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Title: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on December 20, 2015, 06:50:08 AM
Im curious about how you guys set your trucks up, special methods, preferences and all that nerdy stuff.
 
Here's mine:
Thunder 147's riding 8.1-825 and 54 wheels
-replacement 100a Thunder bushings
-Bottom washers left out
-Front truck Flush( edit:perhaps the smallest tad under now) with some wobble
-Back truck 1-2 threads showing edit: correction, back truck is now barely over flush, loosened it when It got colder
-risers

Seriously can't complain about this set-up in anyway, for me its perfect, loose up front for quick turns and tighter in back stabilises on landings and at high speeds. The hard bushing and loose front works really well for me, best of both worlds.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on December 20, 2015, 07:40:39 AM
Indy 139 Reynolds stage 11s
- 8.125 boards, 53mm wheels
- aftermarket Indy medium bushings

I also ride a slightly looser front truck with both kingpin nuts not completely flush, though I tighten them as I skate them more. I don't modify or remove parts from my trucks 'cause it seems contrary to the way they were designed to be used but that's just my OCD. Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to fuck with them a bit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SodaJerk on December 20, 2015, 07:42:26 AM
I used to tinker with my trucks, replacing bushings, after market, Bones ect. Then a while back a decided not to do any of that shit until it was necessary ie. something's blown out. I run all my stuff stock now and I'm skating better than I was 2 years ago (I'm 37 so that's a thing). I run Indies, front and back the same, fairly loose, and I switch them back to front every new deck so they wear out evenly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on December 20, 2015, 07:50:31 AM
Quote from: SodaJerk on December 20, 2015, 07:42:26 AM
Then a while back a decided not to do any of that shit until it was necessary ie. something's blown out. I run all my stuff stock now

I do this too. And eventually the newer Indy bushings will crumble apart. You'll have to excuse my tinfoil hat but I think Indy started making crappier bushings than back in the day so people would have to buy aftermarket.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on December 20, 2015, 09:04:33 AM
i mix it up between indy/ thunder 149s and 159/151 but been pretty consistently on Thunder 151s.

i don't fuck with the forged or hollow options. prefer polished or raw. black baseplates are OK.

stock bushings, 1/8" risers, wheels usually mid 50s but right now on some really worn down 54s. kingpin nuts flush. i use them on 8.5s to 8.75s but they are money on boards right in the middle of that range.

good all round trucks. light for their size, perfect height. super responsive. you can get them nice and loose but they still feel stable at speed. street, small tight bowls, bigger floaty trannies. love 'em. only downside is, without the proper bushing combo,/wheel size they will get a bit of wheelbite when as loose as i like them.

going to rotate to indy 159 on my next set up just to remind myself...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on December 20, 2015, 10:09:54 AM
Indy 149s with whatever wheels I happen to have, F4s or Stf's if I had to choose.
Aftermarket Indy 94a bushings
Back truck always a few turns tighter than my front. I'm not sure where this habit formed from; my trucks were even for the longest time and then outta nowhere I found myself skating with a looser front without even realizing it, and I've just stuck with it. All I know is now if I try to skate with them even or with the back truck even just slightly looser than the front it throws me all off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jake From State Farm on December 20, 2015, 10:20:41 AM
Thunder 151's w/ Thunder risers, everything stock. Front truck looser than the back truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 20matar on December 20, 2015, 12:34:05 PM
I just switched the bushings on my Crail 149 trucks. They're a Brazilian brand but it's what's on menu. I want to see how it will affect my skating after my foot is healed. I switched the stock 100a Moog bushings for some softer ones. Dunno the duro but they're the orange cone ones. I did it out of frustration. Can't loosen the front truck enough without the washers rattling like a baby rattle. So I'll try using softer ones to try and see if my skating will improve once I'm back. Injuries are the worst.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tufty on December 20, 2015, 01:37:27 PM
8.375 deck, 139 indie standard trucks, 55mm wheels.

-Replaced indie washers, because they bend very easy, with a set of destructo ones.
-Due to stage 10s limited clearance between hanger and kigpin, when I broke a kigpin, I replaced both baseplates with two other from a low Indy truck. That way I gave more life to my trucks without destroying the kigpin nut.
-Due to that change I couldnt fit the bushings (Bones hards) I previously had. So what I did was use the same bottom bushing but swap the top one with a doh doh white from my first skateboard trucks. I used to ride the trucks extra tight then so the bushing was very slim and I could now tighten the nut on the kigpin...
- I ride medium to tight for most people but I am a heavy guy and I think that they are medium for me.
- I ride front truck looser too.

Now I bought some stage 11s and I wait until my current set up is trashed. I Bought some white doh dohs as I find them more suitable than bones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 20, 2015, 01:39:41 PM
My go-to are:

Indy Titanium 149
Aftermarket Indy Soft bushings (cylinder bottom)
Kingpin nuts flush
Speed washers and bearing spacers in the wheels
1 drop of dry bike chain lube in the pivot cups when I first set them up

The one weird thing that I do is I set both trucks up with equal tightness and then I switch them (front to back) with every new board setup.  
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: somethingmustbreaknow on December 20, 2015, 01:42:33 PM
i dont really mess around with my trucks.
i ride independent stage 11 149. 3 speedrings on the inside, 1 on the outside to keep the axlenut flush.
i never tighten/loosen the trucks. i just leave them how i got them.
the longer i ride the same pair of trucks the softer they get, due to the bushings. i kinda like it that way and i dont wanna screw around too much.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 20matar on December 20, 2015, 01:46:06 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 20, 2015, 01:39:41 PM
My go-to are:

Indy Titanium 149
Aftermarket Indy Soft bushings (cylinder bottom)
Kingpin nuts flush
Speed washers and bearing spacers in the wheels
1 drop of dry bike chain lube in the pivot cups when I first set them up

The one weird thing that I do is I set both trucks up with equal tightness and then I switch them (front to back) with every new board setup.  

So you back that up? You obviously haven't posted that just because, I know, but now I'm curious about your method. I just add a little bit of shavings from a soap bar on the pivot cups. It's nice, but it's a bit difficult to put just the right amount, given that it's a solid material rather than a liquid.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 20, 2015, 02:03:42 PM
Quote from: 20matar on December 20, 2015, 01:46:06 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 20, 2015, 01:39:41 PM
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My go-to are:

Indy Titanium 149
Aftermarket Indy Soft bushings (cylinder bottom)
Kingpin nuts flush
Speed washers and bearing spacers in the wheels
1 drop of dry bike chain lube in the pivot cups when I first set them up

The one weird thing that I do is I set both trucks up with equal tightness and then I switch them (front to back) with every new board setup.  
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So you back that up? You obviously haven't posted that just because, I know, but now I'm curious about your method. I just add a little bit of shavings from a soap bar on the pivot cups. It's nice, but it's a bit difficult to put just the right amount, given that it's a solid material rather than a liquid.

Yup, it works great, lasts a long time and actually extends the life of the pivot cups.  I've tried soap shavings and wax shavings as well and neither work.

The key is to make sure its a "dry" lube.  It's not only for bike chains but also for your cables which are essential metal on plastic friction like the pivot in a truck.  It's oil with a bit of liquid wax in it so it's less greasy and lasts longer than something like speedcream

This is what I use - http://cdn.coresites.factorymedia.com/rcuk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/BicycleChainOilFinishLine320.jpg (http://cdn.coresites.factorymedia.com/rcuk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/BicycleChainOilFinishLine320.jpg) 

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on December 20, 2015, 02:19:43 PM
i ride thunder 147s hi with the forged baseplate and the hollow kingpin with 54mm bones wheels,
and i have bones medium bushings because the other ones went to shit.
i wanted to try the hollow lights though, but i was also thinking of trying to hollow light indys too, so even though they barley save a penny worth of weight would the hollow axle indys be more durable than the thunders jumping off of shit or would they be about the same?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LookyLurkerLou on December 20, 2015, 02:47:42 PM
Indy or Thunder 149. Want to try ACE 55
Indy replacement 90a bushings
Back truck loose, top bushing cut in half with three washers
Front truck super wobbly, both bushings boiled for 45 min and top cut in half
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CINCINNATI on December 20, 2015, 02:49:38 PM
169 Indys stage 11, standard not hollow or any gimmicks
red Indy bushings with the top washer only

up until last week, pretty worn down spf bones that were the conical shape
now 101 f4 conical fulls
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dengles on December 20, 2015, 03:34:20 PM
Indy forged lights 159 with raw hangar and red baseplate

Bottom washer removed

Stock bushings

finger tight about to fall apart at all times, if you can't hear them jingle they're too tight for me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on December 20, 2015, 04:03:15 PM
Quote from: LookyLurkerLou on December 20, 2015, 02:47:42 PM
Indy or Thunder 149. Want to try ACE 55
Indy replacement 90a bushings
Back truck loose, top bushing cut in half with three washers
Front truck super wobbly, both bushings boiled for 45 min and top cut in half
Woah, never heard of boiling bushings, I'm curious what that does and perhaps even where you learned that from, very interesting set-up
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 20, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: LookyLurkerLou on December 20, 2015, 02:47:42 PM
Indy or Thunder 149. Want to try ACE 55
Indy replacement 90a bushings
Back truck loose, top bushing cut in half with three washers
Front truck super wobbly, both bushings boiled for 45 min and top cut in half

Ace are amazing trucks. The new redesigns from later this year have made them even better. The stock bushings are great, and they can ride really loose without having to worry about wheelbite which happens with me and Indy's. You will have a hard time riding any other truck after you make the switch to Ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on December 20, 2015, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on December 20, 2015, 04:03:15 PM
Quote from: LookyLurkerLou on December 20, 2015, 02:47:42 PM
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Indy or Thunder 149. Want to try ACE 55
Indy replacement 90a bushings
Back truck loose, top bushing cut in half with three washers
Front truck super wobbly, both bushings boiled for 45 min and top cut in half
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Woah, never heard of boiling bushings, I'm curious what that does and perhaps even where you learned that from, very interesting set-up

ha i remember reading a adrian lopez interview like in the early 2000s where he said he did this.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on December 20, 2015, 05:40:27 PM
Trucks are by far the thing i nitpick over the least, that said i still like a few things to be the way i want on every set.

139s with 2-3 extra speed rings on the inside to push the wheels out flush a tiny bit more

Bones mediums and have only really just started color coding front and back truck with white set on front truck and black set on back

Axle nut enough of a wiggle room for the wheel to click clack in my fingers

And ever since i tried them have to use the titanium theeve hardware to hold it all together

I really dread setting up a new set, i've had my current set on for 2 1/2 years
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stanley Spadowski on December 20, 2015, 05:40:49 PM
Thunder 149's
Stock bushings
I use washers, and the spacers for my Swiss.

Quote from: BMCsteve on December 20, 2015, 01:39:41 PM
The one weird thing that I do is I set both trucks up with equal tightness and then I switch them (front to back) with every new board setup.  
I also do this, my friends think it's weird that I don't designate a front and back truck.
I also tighten my mounting hardware diagonally. Just a quirk I guess, but I always thought it'd center the baseplate better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Such on December 20, 2015, 06:08:13 PM
8.12 board with 149 thunders. fucking hate it. i usually go 8.25 with 149s, but accidentally got a 8.12 instead of a 8.125. wanted to try going down in size but seems im gonna have to cop some 8. trucks for that. front truck slightly looser. medium loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on December 20, 2015, 08:54:29 PM
indy 139 titanium stage 11
i dont like the kingpins on hollow forged baseplates, so i swap them out for solid forged baseplates.
3 washers on the inside of each axle.
indy 90a aftermarket barrel bushings
i try to always put an indy sticker on the back truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on December 20, 2015, 09:26:31 PM
Indy 149 for 8.38's or Indy 159 for 8.5's and above...

Prefer Hollow's but the new one that they've put out seems to wear away quicker.

Bones Bushings Medium for regular set up and Hard for Cruiser.

No bottom washer but i do buy a different top washer which is slightly much smaller than the standard Indy top washer.
Caliber hardware/trucks makes them and it fits the top part of the small bushing perfectly! and never bends or dings because it doesn't touch the truck at all which also doesn't scrape any part of the hanger. it almost feels like skating without the top washer but everyone knows that usually breaks the top bushing much quicker and this small washer prevents that. achieves a much looser trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Coconut Lotion on December 21, 2015, 02:49:29 AM
I was going to say trucks are what I'm most picky about with my set ups but I realised I'm picky about everything down the the bolts, but I guess that just means I fit in here.

Currently riding thunder 147 high hollows with bones medium bushings. I skate them medium-loose, prefer them looser but kept getting wheelbite every time I landed anything. Was riding Indy hollow 149s before these, with Indy after market medium bushings. Didn't get on with them. I honesty don't see why everyone sucks indys dick so hard. Buying some ace 44's tomorrow, hoping they live up to the hype. Going to keep them stock because I'm tired of tinkering around with shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 20matar on December 21, 2015, 04:42:25 AM
Quote from: Stanley Spadowski on December 20, 2015, 05:40:49 PM
I also tighten my mounting hardware diagonally. Just a quirk I guess, but I always thought it'd center the baseplate better.

Tightening screws in a cross pattern is supposed to be the correct way, period. Not just for skateboarding. I do it, too, any other way feels weird.

Quote from: Dave-E on December 20, 2015, 03:34:20 PM

finger tight about to fall apart at all times, if you can't hear them jingle they're too tight for me

I tried doing this back when I was just started. It was all fun and games until I was riding down the avenue and the nut of the front truck fell off! Finding the bushing, the washer and the nut in between the traffic runs was fun, but not the kind of experience I want again. I like to tighten the front truck with my fingers as much as I can, then tighten them with the tool just enough for me not to be able to untighten them by hand.

I like to keep my back truck tighter. Tight enough to give stability, but loose enough to be responsive. I'd love to ride them both super loose, but I just can't pull it off on a daily basis, especially considering my commute.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on December 21, 2015, 06:38:15 AM
I go through phases of skating Thunder and Indy for periods of time... currently skating Thunders again, but every once in a while i'll want that smoother/slower turn of Indys.  

currently
Thunder 149ii
(titanium hanger with hollow forged baseplate, with bones medium (same set of bushings for past 2-3 years), no bottom washer)
usually kingpin nut is set a groove or two above "flush"
always keep the trucks designated front/back (gotta take advantage of the grooves)
52-54mm wheels (usually smaller in the summer and bigger in the winter)

or

Indy 149
(hollow or regular hanger, with bones medium (same set of bushings for past 2-3 years), no bottom washer)
usually kingpin nut is set a groove or two above "flush"
always keep the trucks designated front/back (gotta take advantage of the grooves)
53-56mm wheels (usually smaller in the summer and bigger in the winter)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on December 21, 2015, 06:41:17 AM
I'm riding indy 139's stage 11: with a forged hollow base plate/kingpin & a stage 11 hanger. I like the feel of forged base plates while riding. Feels more solid with less vibration to my feet, in a small way.

indy after market 88a conical bushing, with one aftermarket indy medium 90a barrell bushing for the bottom of my back truck (I like a more stable back truck)

I usually tighten my front truck 2 revs, with my back truck being 2 1/2 revs. I try to go either by halves or quarter turns when loosing/tightening my trucks. Its easier to decipher where I like it that way, instead of getting madness from trying to figure out how little or more to tighten it.

I keep a bottle of citrus cleaner handy whenever the ends of my axles get too dirty and rusty. Sometimes the bearings in my wheels get too much friction when they're sitting on a dirty axle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 21, 2015, 09:46:19 AM
Quote from: Coconut Lotion on December 21, 2015, 02:49:29 AM
I was going to say trucks are what I'm most picky about with my set ups but I realised I'm picky about everything down the the bolts, but I guess that just means I fit in here.

Currently riding thunder 147 high hollows with bones medium bushings. I skate them medium-loose, prefer them looser but kept getting wheelbite every time I landed anything. Was riding Indy hollow 149s before these, with Indy after market medium bushings. Didn't get on with them. I honesty don't see why everyone sucks indys dick so hard. Buying some ace 44's tomorrow, hoping they live up to the hype. Going to keep them stock because I'm tired of tinkering around with shit

From my experience, Bones bushings don't fit properly in Thunder trucks. I even called DLXSF one day and he said Thunder's geometry and Bones don't mesh well. You need the cylinder aftermarket Indy or Thunder bushings with both the bottom and top washers on Thunders. I stopped riding the Thunder 149 Hi's because they're are slightly lower than Indy Hi's and I got insane wheelbite.

Ace Hi's are about the same height as Thunder Hi's from baseplate to axle, but just the way they're built you can ride super loose and wheelbite is very minimal. They'll feel a bit weird at first when grinding, but you're going to notice how insanely responsive they are to your turns. The new redesign fixed some issues, and the pivot cups and stock bushings are good to go. You'll love 'em man, smoothest grind and best turn in the biz.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on December 21, 2015, 10:03:22 AM
ive never had a problem with bones med and thunders (no bottom bushing)... in fact, ive found they mellow Thunders'turning out a bit.   
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on December 21, 2015, 10:12:36 AM
IMO you definitely do not need bottom washers with Aftermarket Thunder bushings in Thunders, with both I dont even really like them, with just the top I absolutely love them, with risers too mind 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stanley Spadowski on December 21, 2015, 10:17:22 AM
Quote from: art hellman on December 21, 2015, 10:03:22 AM
ive never had a problem with bones med and thunders (no bottom bushing)... in fact, ive found they mellow Thunders'turning out a bit.   
How does that work?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on December 21, 2015, 10:20:26 AM
he meant washers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on December 21, 2015, 10:22:13 AM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on December 21, 2015, 10:20:26 AM
I meant washers

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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Coconut Lotion on December 21, 2015, 11:31:16 AM
Quote from: Xtal on December 21, 2015, 09:46:19 AM
Quote from: Coconut Lotion on December 21, 2015, 02:49:29 AM
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I was going to say trucks are what I'm most picky about with my set ups but I realised I'm picky about everything down the the bolts, but I guess that just means I fit in here.

Currently riding thunder 147 high hollows with bones medium bushings. I skate them medium-loose, prefer them looser but kept getting wheelbite every time I landed anything. Was riding Indy hollow 149s before these, with Indy after market medium bushings. Didn't get on with them. I honesty don't see why everyone sucks indys dick so hard. Buying some ace 44's tomorrow, hoping they live up to the hype. Going to keep them stock because I'm tired of tinkering around with shit
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From my experience, Bones bushings don't fit properly in Thunder trucks. I even called DLXSF one day and he said Thunder's geometry and Bones don't mesh well. You need the cylinder aftermarket Indy or Thunder bushings with both the bottom and top washers on Thunders. I stopped riding the Thunder 149 Hi's because they're are slightly lower than Indy Hi's and I got insane wheelbite.

Ace Hi's are about the same height as Thunder Hi's from baseplate to axle, but just the way they're built you can ride super loose and wheelbite is very minimal. They'll feel a bit weird at first when grinding, but you're going to notice how insanely responsive they are to your turns. The new redesign fixed some issues, and the pivot cups and stock bushings are good to go. You'll love 'em man, smoothest grind and best turn in the biz.

Oh damn I wasn't aware of that. Stands to reason, I always felt like the bottom bushing didn't sit quite flush with the base. Definitely looking forward to giving Aces a go though. I was on the fence and then they dropped the update so I was sold
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dengles on December 21, 2015, 02:28:08 PM
Quote from: 20matar on December 21, 2015, 04:42:25 AM
Quote from: Stanley Spadowski on December 20, 2015, 05:40:49 PM
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I also tighten my mounting hardware diagonally. Just a quirk I guess, but I always thought it'd center the baseplate better.
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Tightening screws in a cross pattern is supposed to be the correct way, period. Not just for skateboarding. I do it, too, any other way feels weird.

Quote from: Dave-E on December 20, 2015, 03:34:20 PM
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finger tight about to fall apart at all times, if you can't hear them jingle they're too tight for me
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I tried doing this back when I was just started. It was all fun and games until I was riding down the avenue and the nut of the front truck fell off! Finding the bushing, the washer and the nut in between the traffic runs was fun, but not the kind of experience I want again. I like to tighten the front truck with my fingers as much as I can, then tighten them with the tool just enough for me not to be able to untighten them by hand.

I like to keep my back truck tighter. Tight enough to give stability, but loose enough to be responsive. I'd love to ride them both super loose, but I just can't pull it off on a daily basis, especially considering my commute.

I've had trucks fall apart a lot, but I've been riding them this way for long enough to the point where I can hear when they're too loose and may fall apart and then I can give them a few twists with my finger. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 21, 2015, 02:38:18 PM
Quote from: Coconut Lotion on December 21, 2015, 11:31:16 AM
Quote from: Xtal on December 21, 2015, 09:46:19 AM
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Quote from: Coconut Lotion on December 21, 2015, 02:49:29 AM
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I was going to say trucks are what I'm most picky about with my set ups but I realised I'm picky about everything down the the bolts, but I guess that just means I fit in here.

Currently riding thunder 147 high hollows with bones medium bushings. I skate them medium-loose, prefer them looser but kept getting wheelbite every time I landed anything. Was riding Indy hollow 149s before these, with Indy after market medium bushings. Didn't get on with them. I honesty don't see why everyone sucks indys dick so hard. Buying some ace 44's tomorrow, hoping they live up to the hype. Going to keep them stock because I'm tired of tinkering around with shit
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From my experience, Bones bushings don't fit properly in Thunder trucks. I even called DLXSF one day and he said Thunder's geometry and Bones don't mesh well. You need the cylinder aftermarket Indy or Thunder bushings with both the bottom and top washers on Thunders. I stopped riding the Thunder 149 Hi's because they're are slightly lower than Indy Hi's and I got insane wheelbite.

Ace Hi's are about the same height as Thunder Hi's from baseplate to axle, but just the way they're built you can ride super loose and wheelbite is very minimal. They'll feel a bit weird at first when grinding, but you're going to notice how insanely responsive they are to your turns. The new redesign fixed some issues, and the pivot cups and stock bushings are good to go. You'll love 'em man, smoothest grind and best turn in the biz.
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Oh damn I wasn't aware of that. Stands to reason, I always felt like the bottom bushing didn't sit quite flush with the base. Definitely looking forward to giving Aces a go though. I was on the fence and then they dropped the update so I was sold

Yeah then today I receive some indy's and other goodies as a gift, and I compare the Indy's to my Ace's and the Indy's look like they were casted by a five year old. Casting marks all over the place and they're no longer made in the USA. Ace makes theirs in China but at least it's done right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on December 21, 2015, 03:38:00 PM
I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 21, 2015, 03:49:47 PM
Quote from: N.L. on December 21, 2015, 03:38:00 PM
I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...

Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on December 21, 2015, 03:53:52 PM
Yeah, I found a noticeable difference in the way Krux/ Ace grind compared to Thunder/ Indy. It does feel softer and I don't really like it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 21, 2015, 04:07:36 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 21, 2015, 03:49:47 PM
Quote from: N.L. on December 21, 2015, 03:38:00 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico

Gotcha. Thanks for the info. I almost feel like posting a picture of these Indy's shitty casting job. I guess I'm just used to how beautiful Ace's look and how I want to skate just by looking at them. These Indy's look like the last set off of a shelf at Wal Mart that no one wanted.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 21, 2015, 05:06:45 PM
Quote from: Xtal on December 21, 2015, 04:07:36 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico
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Gotcha. Thanks for the info. I almost feel like posting a picture of these Indy's shitty casting job. I guess I'm just used to how beautiful Ace's look and how I want to skate just by looking at them. These Indy's look like the last set off of a shelf at Wal Mart that no one wanted.

Totally agree there.  my Indy's look like shit as well. Ace are actually my favorite looking truck out today
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: iwishilivedinfinla on December 21, 2015, 05:16:01 PM
8.25 deck


149 Indys   -   STOCK




i used to care about bones bushings but they always fell apart so hard, and it was such a hassle replacing them... i've been going straight stock for like 2 years now and i often wonder what i was really fusing about.  it's all good now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 21, 2015, 05:21:15 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico
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Gotcha. Thanks for the info. I almost feel like posting a picture of these Indy's shitty casting job. I guess I'm just used to how beautiful Ace's look and how I want to skate just by looking at them. These Indy's look like the last set off of a shelf at Wal Mart that no one wanted.
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Totally agree there.  my Indy's look like shit as well. Ace are actually my favorite looking truck out today

I'm still curious to try Krux's 5.0 Tall trucks. Heard they turn great and the stock cushions are supposed to be really good. Plus the bottle opener will come in handy. You ever try 'em?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on December 21, 2015, 06:21:13 PM
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The one weird thing that I do is I set both trucks up with equal tightness and then I switch them (front to back) with every new board setup.  
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I also do this, my friends think it's weird that I don't designate a front and back truck.
I also tighten my mounting hardware diagonally. Just a quirk I guess, but I always thought it'd center the baseplate better.
i feel like if i rotated my trucks everytime i skated a new deck it would totally throw me off. i feel like skating the front truck looser than the back just kind of happens naturally for most people, making the back a little more stable since your weight is mostly there. i also tighten my bolts diagonally.

indy 149 titanium with after market orange indy bushings with the barrel bottoms. i use washers on the axles but not spacers. i used to ride lots of other trucks and this is my first pair of indys after skating for 16+? years and i love them. its the first truck ive been able to skate medium loose and feel totally stable and comfortable. i used to ride my trucks super tight when i was riding thunders and ventures.

i also have a set of thunder 151 with old black thunder bushings from an old set. i didnt like the ones they had and didnt wanna spend money on more. so far they feel ok but i havent skated them much. i also use risers cause the last set of thunders i had gave me a shit load of wheelbite and thats why i switched over to indy. i dont look at thread counts on either for the kingpin, just adjust til it feels right. (looking at it i guess theres barely a thread showing on the indys and flush on the thunders but that could change since i havent skated them much.)



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OldManSkate on December 21, 2015, 06:37:24 PM
Venture 5.2 V-Hollow Lights Hi with 8.125 deck. Stock everything. Finger tightened and then 3/4 of a turn with a tool, I think...I'm pretty superstitious, once I get my trucks perfect, I leave everything alone. Front truck slightly looser. This might be my favorite setup; sharp turns but curvy at the same time.

Other setup: Indy Titanium 139 w/ red Indy aftermarket bushings, 8.06 deck. Finger tightened and then 3/4 of a turn with a tool. Front truck slightly looser. So far, I'm digging how stable they feel and how they feel overall. But they're just not as forgiving as Ventures when I land sloppy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on December 21, 2015, 07:05:58 PM
I didn't know rotating trucks was considered unusual. wouldn't the bushings on your back trucks wear out way faster otherwise? the break-in period is kind of annoying but really short, like maybe an hour. it feels like you're skating the nose of your board for a while and you might even screw up trying to ollie a manhole. if people are walking by and see you fail you want to explain to them that you just rotated your trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 22, 2015, 01:30:08 PM
So Indy offers conical aftermarket bushings and I've never tried them so I'm finally going to pull the trigger. Conical being the same shape as bones bushings.

Anyways, I'm torn between the blue color (92a) or the red (88a). I'm a little over 200lbs and I can't ride super soft bushings, but hards take forever to break in, so I've always stuck with medium Bones. However, Indy's red ones which are considered soft, are 88a and not ridiculously soft like Bones' 81a. Anyone think I'd be good with the red ones, or should I not risk destroying them quickly and go with the blues?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SodaJerk on December 22, 2015, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 21, 2015, 03:49:47 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico


That's weird, I just bought a set of Indy 139 forged Titanium and they are specifically labled "Made In The USA".
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 22, 2015, 01:49:16 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico


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That's weird, I just bought a set of Indy 139 forged Titanium and they are specifically labled "Made In The USA".

I've thought about buying those expensive ass trucks due to the titanium axle and slightly better quality overall, but they put hollow kingpins in them and I will never ride hollow's. Every person I've ever met skating hollow kingpin's no matter what company snapped them. I'm sure I could put a regular kingpin in there that will fit but I don't fuck with kingpins. Just bushings and pivot cups although I've never had to replace a cup yet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SodaJerk on December 22, 2015, 01:53:44 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico


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That's weird, I just bought a set of Indy 139 forged Titanium and they are specifically labled "Made In The USA".
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I've thought about buying those expensive ass trucks due to the titanium axle and slightly better quality overall, but they put hollow kingpins in them and I will never ride hollow's. Every person I've ever met skating hollow kingpin's no matter what company snapped them. I'm sure I could put a regular kingpin in there that will fit but I don't fuck with kingpins. Just bushings and pivot cups although I've never had to replace a cup yet.
Hollow kingpins are stronger than regular. It's physics, check it out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 22, 2015, 01:59:19 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico


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That's weird, I just bought a set of Indy 139 forged Titanium and they are specifically labled "Made In The USA".
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I've thought about buying those expensive ass trucks due to the titanium axle and slightly better quality overall, but they put hollow kingpins in them and I will never ride hollow's. Every person I've ever met skating hollow kingpin's no matter what company snapped them. I'm sure I could put a regular kingpin in there that will fit but I don't fuck with kingpins. Just bushings and pivot cups although I've never had to replace a cup yet.
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Hollow kingpins are stronger than regular. It's physics, check it out.

Unless they use a stronger grade metal, I have every reason to believe they're not as strong as regular kingpins.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SodaJerk on December 22, 2015, 02:33:22 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico


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That's weird, I just bought a set of Indy 139 forged Titanium and they are specifically labled "Made In The USA".
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I've thought about buying those expensive ass trucks due to the titanium axle and slightly better quality overall, but they put hollow kingpins in them and I will never ride hollow's. Every person I've ever met skating hollow kingpin's no matter what company snapped them. I'm sure I could put a regular kingpin in there that will fit but I don't fuck with kingpins. Just bushings and pivot cups although I've never had to replace a cup yet.
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Hollow kingpins are stronger than regular. It's physics, check it out.
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Unless they use a stronger grade metal, I have every reason to believe they're not as strong as regular kingpins.
Yes, most hollow kingpins are titanium where as solid kingpins are not. Also, the bulk of strength in a cylinder is concentrated in the outside. The ability to flex also results to less fracturing meaning a solid cylinder is likely to fracture from the inside out and a hollow cylinder is less likely to do so.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on December 22, 2015, 03:02:13 PM
So even if the kingpins were the same material, hollow would still be stronger, correct?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 22, 2015, 03:02:38 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.� Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.� That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.� All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind� better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico


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That's weird, I just bought a set of Indy 139 forged Titanium and they are specifically labled "Made In The USA".
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I've thought about buying those expensive ass trucks due to the titanium axle and slightly better quality overall, but they put hollow kingpins in them and I will never ride hollow's. Every person I've ever met skating hollow kingpin's no matter what company snapped them. I'm sure I could put a regular kingpin in there that will fit but I don't fuck with kingpins. Just bushings and pivot cups although I've never had to replace a cup yet.
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Hollow kingpins are stronger than regular. It's physics, check it out.
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Unless they use a stronger grade metal, I have every reason to believe they're not as strong as regular kingpins.
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Yes, most hollow kingpins are titanium where as solid kingpins are not. Also, the bulk of strength in a cylinder is concentrated in the outside. The ability to flex also results to less fracturing meaning a solid cylinder is likely to fracture from the inside out and a hollow cylinder is less likely to do so.

Interesting. Thank you for the info good sir. I did notice the forged titanium Indy's are essentially a mid truck which would require me to use a riser since I ride so loose. Don't think I'll ever get 'em but I hope they work out for you. I bet they'll last a ridiculously long time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SodaJerk on December 22, 2015, 03:15:44 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.� Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.� That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.� All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind� better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico


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That's weird, I just bought a set of Indy 139 forged Titanium and they are specifically labled "Made In The USA".
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I've thought about buying those expensive ass trucks due to the titanium axle and slightly better quality overall, but they put hollow kingpins in them and I will never ride hollow's. Every person I've ever met skating hollow kingpin's no matter what company snapped them. I'm sure I could put a regular kingpin in there that will fit but I don't fuck with kingpins. Just bushings and pivot cups although I've never had to replace a cup yet.
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Hollow kingpins are stronger than regular. It's physics, check it out.
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Unless they use a stronger grade metal, I have every reason to believe they're not as strong as regular kingpins.
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Yes, most hollow kingpins are titanium where as solid kingpins are not. Also, the bulk of strength in a cylinder is concentrated in the outside. The ability to flex also results to less fracturing meaning a solid cylinder is likely to fracture from the inside out and a hollow cylinder is less likely to do so.
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Interesting. Thank you for the info good sir. I did notice the forged titanium Indy's are essentially a mid truck which would require me to use a riser since I ride so loose. Don't think I'll ever get 'em but I hope they work out for you. I bet they'll last a ridiculously long time.
To be honest I really only bought them because I got a great discount on them.

Quote from: N.L. on December 22, 2015, 03:02:13 PM
So even if the kingpins were the same material, hollow would still be stronger, correct?
Not necessarily, if you have 2 cylinders of equal weight and diameter the hollow one would be stronger, the variables in length can distort this and then the material used is going to be a factor. It's something that requires testing and can be subject to various differentiating factors but overall I'd still say that hollow kingpins are less likely to snap than solids.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Such on December 22, 2015, 03:25:14 PM
i bought some indy 149´s from this shitty shop and they gave me one hollow and one standard. would i even notice? are they different in any way? height is the same i think. i hope they dont turn differently. hollows are the Reynolds model. i mean its a 26.g difference so i doubt id notice it. i cant feel which is which in my hands.

the shop is closed now so i cant return them. serves them right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on December 22, 2015, 03:38:30 PM
Quote from: such on December 22, 2015, 03:25:14 PM
i bought some indy 149�s from this shitty shop and they gave me one hollow and one standard. would i even notice? are they different in any way? height is the same i think. i hope they dont turn differently. hollows are the Reynolds model. i mean its a 26.g difference so i doubt id notice it. i cant feel which is which in my hands.

the shop is closed now so i cant return them. serves them right.

That would fuck with my OCD... Is the shop closed forever or just in the holidays? if so wait for it to open so you can change them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 22, 2015, 03:48:57 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico


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That's weird, I just bought a set of Indy 139 forged Titanium and they are specifically labled "Made In The USA".
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I've thought about buying those expensive ass trucks due to the titanium axle and slightly better quality overall, but they put hollow kingpins in them and I will never ride hollow's. Every person I've ever met skating hollow kingpin's no matter what company snapped them. I'm sure I could put a regular kingpin in there that will fit but I don't fuck with kingpins. Just bushings and pivot cups although I've never had to replace a cup yet.
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Hollow kingpins are stronger than regular. It's physics, check it out.
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Unless they use a stronger grade metal, I have every reason to believe they're not as strong as regular kingpins.
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Yes, most hollow kingpins are titanium where as solid kingpins are not. Also, the bulk of strength in a cylinder is concentrated in the outside. The ability to flex also results to less fracturing meaning a solid cylinder is likely to fracture from the inside out and a hollow cylinder is less likely to do so.

Theeve makes the only hollow titanium kingpin on the planet.  All others (Indy, thunder, venture, etc) are steel
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 22, 2015, 04:08:09 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico


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That's weird, I just bought a set of Indy 139 forged Titanium and they are specifically labled "Made In The USA".
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I've thought about buying those expensive ass trucks due to the titanium axle and slightly better quality overall, but they put hollow kingpins in them and I will never ride hollow's. Every person I've ever met skating hollow kingpin's no matter what company snapped them. I'm sure I could put a regular kingpin in there that will fit but I don't fuck with kingpins. Just bushings and pivot cups although I've never had to replace a cup yet.
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Hollow kingpins are stronger than regular. It's physics, check it out.
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Unless they use a stronger grade metal, I have every reason to believe they're not as strong as regular kingpins.
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Yes, most hollow kingpins are titanium where as solid kingpins are not. Also, the bulk of strength in a cylinder is concentrated in the outside. The ability to flex also results to less fracturing meaning a solid cylinder is likely to fracture from the inside out and a hollow cylinder is less likely to do so.
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Theeve makes the only hollow titanium kingpin on the planet.  All others (Indy, thunder, venture, etc) are steel

Theeve claimed to have a titanium alloy hanger, and this was proven to be wrong. The company is exactly what the name states...thieves. Charging twice as much as other trucks for the same old shit. Therefore, their claim that their kingpins are titanium is most likely false.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Such on December 22, 2015, 05:59:20 PM
Quote from: Sk.A.T.A.N on December 22, 2015, 03:38:30 PM
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i bought some indy 149�s from this shitty shop and they gave me one hollow and one standard. would i even notice? are they different in any way? height is the same i think. i hope they dont turn differently. hollows are the Reynolds model. i mean its a 26.g difference so i doubt id notice it. i cant feel which is which in my hands.

the shop is closed now so i cant return them. serves them right.
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That would fuck with my OCD... Is the shop closed forever or just in the holidays? if so wait for it to open so you can change them.

bankrupt. cant say i feel bad for them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico


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That's weird, I just bought a set of Indy 139 forged Titanium and they are specifically labled "Made In The USA".
[close]

I've thought about buying those expensive ass trucks due to the titanium axle and slightly better quality overall, but they put hollow kingpins in them and I will never ride hollow's. Every person I've ever met skating hollow kingpin's no matter what company snapped them. I'm sure I could put a regular kingpin in there that will fit but I don't fuck with kingpins. Just bushings and pivot cups although I've never had to replace a cup yet.
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Hollow kingpins are stronger than regular. It's physics, check it out.
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Unless they use a stronger grade metal, I have every reason to believe they're not as strong as regular kingpins.
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Yes, most hollow kingpins are titanium where as solid kingpins are not. Also, the bulk of strength in a cylinder is concentrated in the outside. The ability to flex also results to less fracturing meaning a solid cylinder is likely to fracture from the inside out and a hollow cylinder is less likely to do so.
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Theeve makes the only hollow titanium kingpin on the planet.  All others (Indy, thunder, venture, etc) are steel
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Theeve claimed to have a titanium alloy hanger, and this was proven to be wrong. The company is exactly what the name states...thieves. Charging twice as much as other trucks for the same old shit. Therefore, their claim that their kingpins are titanium is most likely false.

Not exactly correct.  They have one model (TiH) that has a full Titanium hanger and two models with a Titanium Axle (TiKing and TiAx).  

The youtube video "disproving" them was that they claimed their regular models used a "Titanium Alloy Blend" for the hangers and baseplates which was actually like .12% titanium.

The TiKing titanium kingpin is legitimately titanium as well.  I've had them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chumlee on December 22, 2015, 08:40:43 PM
This thread is a whole lot
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: zippy z on December 22, 2015, 08:52:32 PM
I switched from Thunder 149 hollows to Indy 149 hollows, and had to swap bushings in the Indys for Doh Dohs medium soft so they didn't feel tight. The stock bushings are garbage. I'm fine with the stock Thunder bushings, and have both sets stock tight--nuts flush with bolts.

Other than the quality of the stock bushings, the main thing I have noticed is the stability of the truck compared to the turning radius. To put it simply:


I guess its like someone described the difference between a snowboard turning on its rail versus a skateboard turning on its center line. Shit, I ride a snowboard and like it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on December 22, 2015, 09:23:34 PM
Quote from: chumlee on December 22, 2015, 08:40:43 PM
This thread is a whole lot

haha yeah really skate nerd shit right here


I ride the Thunder hi's 147 with the aftermarket bushings 95 duro. works really well.. a little stiffer than the stock bushings but get nice and squishy after a few times. both washers and my trucks are not too loose or tight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 22, 2015, 10:22:43 PM
I ride all my stuff really tight like no rattle....when you drop it, it's just one thud. 

One weird thing I do is wipe my trucks....definitely when I clean my bearings I use acetone or whatever to get rid of any dirt or grime...

I didn't give a shit for most of my life but now possibly because I'm older and weirder I do this stuff....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: max power on December 22, 2015, 10:44:14 PM
the plain ass indy's or reynolds hollow (non forged baseplates) and blue after market indy barrel bushings. this shit's not rocket science.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on December 22, 2015, 11:43:01 PM
Regular Indys 10.5 (had a pair of hollow light thunders and broke the kingpin on a hospital flip and hollow kingpins scare me now)
Bones hard bushings hard duro
No bottom washer, top one only to prevent the nut from digging in
Tightened to see 2 threads
Butterfly sticker a little girl gave me to mark my back truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on December 23, 2015, 02:02:58 AM
can i get a opinion real quick

thunder hollow lights or indy hollow lights
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Coconut Lotion on December 23, 2015, 04:39:54 AM
Quote from: ducky darnsworth on December 23, 2015, 02:02:58 AM
can i get a opinion real quick

thunder hollow lights or indy hollow lights

Of the two I prefer thunder
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on December 23, 2015, 01:24:11 PM
Thunder hollow 147, usually stock bushing, no bottom washer, kingpin nut flush, 2 washers on the inside
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on December 23, 2015, 09:17:13 PM
Quote from: Coconut Lotion on December 23, 2015, 04:39:54 AM
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can i get a opinion real quick

thunder hollow lights or indy hollow lights
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Of the two I prefer thunder
ok thanks, do you think any axle bending problems would happen if i skate some gaps with them? i don't really think it would happen but you never know.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Otis Fatona-Pinet on December 24, 2015, 11:29:29 PM
I've really been liking Royals lately, and just picked up a set on my new complete.  Went with the inverted kingpin cuz the clearance on them was my only issue. With some bones bushings and both washers the 5.25, meant for 7.75-8.25 feel really nice on an 8.5. I ride them pretty lose and like the feeling of having to be over the center of my board for stability. Turning is super easy and feels amazing and even with 53mm wheels wheelbite isn't much of a problem. I understand why people don't like royals tho. The stock bushing and pretty weird and the metal seems. Different than any other truck but once they get broken in skate and grind great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: zippy z on December 26, 2015, 03:52:04 PM
I've had both and prefer Indy.

Quote from: Coconut Lotion on December 23, 2015, 04:39:54 AM
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can i get a opinion real quick

thunder hollow lights or indy hollow lights
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Of the two I prefer thunder
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: johnes on December 26, 2015, 09:43:08 PM
Mini Logo 8.38, i usually loosen them and skate for like 10 min to break them in and then take out the kingpin washer or else I cant get them loose enough, tighten them just passed finger level. I started using risers recently too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 27, 2015, 07:58:22 AM
Been riding some Thunder 149 highs with the hollow axle for awhile and really liked them. But I got a set of 149 IIs for Christmas that I'm pretty excited to try out. I'm pretty overdue to change but I always try to hold out for as long as I can.



Also, awhile ago I bought some Bones Mediums for my cruiser board (also with Thunders) and am pretty perplexed by the hype. Never in my life had I been so frustrated by bushings. It was impossible to get my trucks to feel right, the shape felt awkward to me, and no amount of modification seemed to make a difference. I've always just used stock bushings and for the most part have never had any overwhelming problems with them unless the trucks themselves are old. Anyone else here feel similarly? I know they're pretty popular bushings, but I just couldn't get them to feel right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 27, 2015, 10:29:43 AM
Quote from: the_unknown_soldier on December 27, 2015, 07:58:22 AM
Been riding some Thunder 149 highs with the hollow axle for awhile and really liked them. But I got a set of 149 IIs for Christmas that I'm pretty excited to try out. I'm pretty overdue to change but I always try to hold out for as long as I can.



Also, awhile ago I bought some Bones Mediums for my cruiser board (also with Thunders) and am pretty perplexed by the hype. Never in my life had I been so frustrated by bushings. It was impossible to get my trucks to feel right, the shape felt awkward to me, and no amount of modification seemed to make a difference. I've always just used stock bushings and for the most part have never had any overwhelming problems with them unless the trucks themselves are old. Anyone else here feel similarly? I know they're pretty popular bushings, but I just couldn't get them to feel right.

Bones bushings don't fit Thunder's correctly. I discovered this on my own and called DLXSF about it and they agreed you need regular cylinder or conical bushings by either Thunder or Indy with both the top and bottom washer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on December 27, 2015, 11:45:28 AM
I've used bones bushings on thunder 149s and 151s with bottom and top washers, worked perfectly fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 27, 2015, 12:00:24 PM
Quote from: N.L. on December 27, 2015, 11:45:28 AM
I've used bones bushings on thunder 149s and 151s with bottom and top washers, worked perfectly fine.

Maybe because you used a bottom washer? I could barely get the bones to fit on regular 149 hi's. Didn't use a bottom washer but I did use a top and within less than a week the bushing was all deformed and it definitely was not a defect. Thunder trucks are great trucks, but Bones ain't a good idea.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on December 27, 2015, 12:59:58 PM
Correct. My preferred combo was bones med bottom with bottom washer and stock thunder top bushing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Randozzi on December 27, 2015, 01:06:22 PM
Currently skating regular stage 11 149 Indys with two spacers on the inside of each wheel, one outside. Tried the Bones mediums for a while but they kept blowing out. Switched to the hards and after they broke in they have been perfect. Have a set of hollow 149s that I'm going to put medium Indy after market conical bushings in. Have heard good things about them from folks on here.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: themanwhomakes on December 27, 2015, 01:51:02 PM
I've rode pretty much everything and was convinced i needed super blown out bones bushings to even be able to skate. Then i got indy red and orange aftermarkets, but due to how much my trucks (indy 149 standard) were already worn down i couldnt properly fit the bottom bushing. So i decided to compromise by putting the harder orange top bushing as my bottom and a red for the top. Breaking them in was a little weird, but im skating the best ive ever skated right now. It's basically just a lower and more responsive indy. The orange gives me a little more tightness and the red gives me a little wiggly jiggly. Would definitely reccomend trying if you like super loose trucks but want a bit more control. Enough to slappy, wallie, wallride easily, but still tight enough for everything else. Im 6'1 145 lbs
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 27, 2015, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: themanwhomakes on December 27, 2015, 01:51:02 PM
I've rode pretty much everything and was convinced i needed super blown out bones bushings to even be able to skate. Then i got indy red and orange aftermarkets, but due to how much my trucks (indy 149 standard) were already worn down i couldnt properly fit the bottom bushing. So i decided to compromise by putting the harder orange top bushing as my bottom and a red for the top. Breaking them in was a little weird, but im skating the best ive ever skated right now. It's basically just a lower and more responsive indy. The orange gives me a little more tightness and the red gives me a little wiggly jiggly. Would definitely reccomend trying if you like super loose trucks but want a bit more control. Enough to slappy, wallie, wallride easily, but still tight enough for everything else. Im 6'1 145 lbs

Nice set up. Do you know if you have the cylinder or conical shapes?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Randozzi on December 27, 2015, 08:19:11 PM
That's great to hear, thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: themanwhomakes on December 28, 2015, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: Xtal on December 27, 2015, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: themanwhomakes on December 27, 2015, 01:51:02 PM
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I've rode pretty much everything and was convinced i needed super blown out bones bushings to even be able to skate. Then i got indy red and orange aftermarkets, but due to how much my trucks (indy 149 standard) were already worn down i couldnt properly fit the bottom bushing. So i decided to compromise by putting the harder orange top bushing as my bottom and a red for the top. Breaking them in was a little weird, but im skating the best ive ever skated right now. It's basically just a lower and more responsive indy. The orange gives me a little more tightness and the red gives me a little wiggly jiggly. Would definitely reccomend trying if you like super loose trucks but want a bit more control. Enough to slappy, wallie, wallride easily, but still tight enough for everything else. Im 6'1 145 lbs
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Nice set up. Do you know if you have the cylinder or conical shapes?

They're the conicals, but it doesnt matter because im using two top bushings haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 28, 2015, 12:22:38 PM
Quote from: themanwhomakes on December 28, 2015, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: Xtal on December 27, 2015, 02:42:57 PM
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Quote from: themanwhomakes on December 27, 2015, 01:51:02 PM
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I've rode pretty much everything and was convinced i needed super blown out bones bushings to even be able to skate. Then i got indy red and orange aftermarkets, but due to how much my trucks (indy 149 standard) were already worn down i couldnt properly fit the bottom bushing. So i decided to compromise by putting the harder orange top bushing as my bottom and a red for the top. Breaking them in was a little weird, but im skating the best ive ever skated right now. It's basically just a lower and more responsive indy. The orange gives me a little more tightness and the red gives me a little wiggly jiggly. Would definitely reccomend trying if you like super loose trucks but want a bit more control. Enough to slappy, wallie, wallride easily, but still tight enough for everything else. Im 6'1 145 lbs
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Nice set up. Do you know if you have the cylinder or conical shapes?
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They're the conicals, but it doesnt matter because im using two top bushings haha

Haha I didn't catch that but right on. Maybe I'll try that method some time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on December 28, 2015, 01:05:13 PM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on December 20, 2015, 04:03:15 PM
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Indy or Thunder 149. Want to try ACE 55
Indy replacement 90a bushings
Back truck loose, top bushing cut in half with three washers
Front truck super wobbly, both bushings boiled for 45 min and top cut in half
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Woah, never heard of boiling bushings, I'm curious what that does and perhaps even where you learned that from, very interesting set-up
Still curious about the boiling if you see this Lou!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Coconut Lotion on December 28, 2015, 03:17:00 PM
Threw the stock bushings with both washers back in my thunder 147s and they feel waaaaaay better now. Luckily I've also decided white bushings look the best. Kingpin bolt finger tightened and then one full turn with the tool. Also got my ace 44's today, look/feel real nice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on December 28, 2015, 03:36:57 PM
Back on indy 149s with the 88a conical bushings. They really feel like shit next to my worn in thunder 151s. The timing on ollies is great and there is less wheelbite issues but the turn is so sluggish... I've got to stop alternating between truck brands and just commit to one...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 28, 2015, 03:42:39 PM
Quote from: Coconut Lotion on December 28, 2015, 03:17:00 PM
Threw the stock bushings with both washers back in my thunder 147s and they feel waaaaaay better now. Luckily I've also decided white bushings look the best. Kingpin bolt finger tightened and then one full turn with the tool. Also got my ace 44's today, look/feel real nice.

Congrats on the Ace's. Beautiful aren't they? I recommend just skating them how they are stock. Don't understand why people that aren't obese are switching out the bushings, they're very good quality.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 28, 2015, 03:45:26 PM
Quote from: N.L. on December 28, 2015, 03:36:57 PM
Back on indy 149s with the 88a conical bushings. They really feel like shit next to my worn in thunder 151s. The timing on ollies is great and there is less wheelbite issues but the turn is so sluggish... I've got to stop alternating between truck brands and just commit to one...

Ace's will give you that Thunder turn but even better, and an even smoother grind than Indy's. Sorry, I talk about Ace too much on here but only because they're that good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Coconut Lotion on December 28, 2015, 03:52:02 PM
Quote from: Xtal on December 28, 2015, 03:42:39 PM
Quote from: Coconut Lotion on December 28, 2015, 03:17:00 PM
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Threw the stock bushings with both washers back in my thunder 147s and they feel waaaaaay better now. Luckily I've also decided white bushings look the best. Kingpin bolt finger tightened and then one full turn with the tool. Also got my ace 44's today, look/feel real nice.
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Congrats on the Ace's. Beautiful aren't they? I recommend just skating them how they are stock. Don't understand why people that aren't obese are switching out the bushings, they're very good quality.

Yeah dawg keeping em fully stock!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on December 28, 2015, 03:53:23 PM
I'm tempted by Aces but two things turn me off. 1) Made in China 2) the sizing... 44s = too narrow / 55s = too wide for my tastes... I'm sure I could make it work but shit... Thunder 151s... better get another set soon as mine are down to axle...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on December 28, 2015, 04:07:37 PM
Quote from: Xtal on December 27, 2015, 12:00:24 PM
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I've used bones bushings on thunder 149s and 151s with bottom and top washers, worked perfectly fine.
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Maybe because you used a bottom washer? I could barely get the bones to fit on regular 149 hi's. Didn't use a bottom washer but I did use a top and within less than a week the bushing was all deformed and it definitely was not a defect. Thunder trucks are great trucks, but Bones ain't a good idea.

it works fine but in my experience thunders with bones makes the pivot cups blow out waaayy faster than using the stock thunder bushings and both washers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 28, 2015, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: N.L. on December 28, 2015, 03:53:23 PM
I'm tempted by Aces but two things turn me off. 1) Made in China 2) the sizing... 44s = too narrow / 55s = too wide for my tastes... I'm sure I could make it work but shit... Thunder 151s... better get another set soon as mine are down to axle...

I feel you on #1. These days no matter what I buy I try and seek out USA made. But even Indy now only makes their standard truck hangers in USA. Every other part I'm pretty sure comes from China. I would say the same goes for most other truck companies. I know China usually means bad quality but in Ace's case, they are way better quality than USA made Indy's. When looking at a set of Indy's next to a set of Aces, you can just tell. And even after the whole bend issue, he's listened to all the feedback and redesigned it because he actually cares to make a quality truck. It's core through and through.

And I feel you on the sizing. I only skate 8.5" decks and 55's would be too wide. The 44 axle looks damn near even with an 8.5 board, it's just the hanger that's not as wide, which could be good or bad depending on how you're skating. I know people have used two washers on the inside to make everything flush, but I don't care that much. As long as it's not wider than my board, I'm good.

Thunder isn't a bad choice at all, but Ace can provide you with an even better ride with minimal to no wheelbite because they turn so damn good without having to use the extra force that usually results in the bite.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sports on December 28, 2015, 06:09:54 PM
Quote from: SodaJerk on December 22, 2015, 03:15:44 PM

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So even if the kingpins were the same material, hollow would still be stronger, correct?
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Not necessarily, if you have 2 cylinders of equal weight and diameter the hollow one would be stronger, the variables in length can distort this and then the material used is going to be a factor. It's something that requires testing and can be subject to various differentiating factors but overall I'd still say that hollow kingpins are less likely to snap than solids.

not that anyone actually cares, but thought i'd give some input:
For two rods with the same outside diameter (like the standardized OD of truck axles) and the same material (meaning same young's modulus) the hollow rod will have a lower moment of inertia and section modulus than the solid rod. This translates to a higher stress and more deflection with the hollow rod than the solid one if both have the same applied load. If the stress is greater than the yield stress of the material (independent of the axle being solid or hollow) than your going to bend or break your axle.

Some misconceptions you may be making in saying that the hollow axle is "stronger." Weight has nothing to do with strength, its only a result of density and volume. If you have a hollow rod and a solid rod of the same material that weigh the same and are the same length, than the hollow rod will have to be a larger diameter (to make up for the material missing inside). As the diameter increases, the stresses and deflections decrease exponentially. But increasing diameter is not possible since the axle OD is standardized.
So you could make a hollow axle stronger than a solid axle of the same material and equal length but you would have to increase the diameter of the axle.

Moral of the story if you don't want to read above shit: hollow axles in trucks are more likely to break than solid ones

some equations: http://www.atcpublications.com/Sample_pages_from_FDG.pdf (http://www.atcpublications.com/Sample_pages_from_FDG.pdf)
kook me while yur at it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 28, 2015, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: sports on December 28, 2015, 06:09:54 PM
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So even if the kingpins were the same material, hollow would still be stronger, correct?
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Not necessarily, if you have 2 cylinders of equal weight and diameter the hollow one would be stronger, the variables in length can distort this and then the material used is going to be a factor. It's something that requires testing and can be subject to various differentiating factors but overall I'd still say that hollow kingpins are less likely to snap than solids.
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not that anyone actually cares, but thought i'd give some input:
For two rods with the same outside diameter (like the standardized OD of truck axles) and the same material (meaning same young's modulus) the hollow rod will have a lower moment of inertia and section modulus than the solid rod. This translates to a higher stress and more deflection with the hollow rod than the solid one if both have the same applied load. If the stress is greater than the yield stress of the material (independent of the axle being solid or hollow) than your going to bend or break your axle.

Some misconceptions you may be making in saying that the hollow axle is "stronger." Weight has nothing to do with strength, its only a result of density and volume. If you have a hollow rod and a solid rod of the same material that weigh the same and are the same length, than the hollow rod will have to be a larger diameter (to make up for the material missing inside). As the diameter increases, the stresses and deflections decrease exponentially. But increasing diameter is not possible since the axle OD is standardized.
So you could make a hollow axle stronger than a solid axle of the same material and equal length but you would have to increase the diameter of the axle.

Moral of the story if you don't want to read above shit: hollow axles in trucks are more likely to break than solid ones

some equations: http://www.atcpublications.com/Sample_pages_from_FDG.pdf (http://www.atcpublications.com/Sample_pages_from_FDG.pdf)
kook me while yur at it

Info much appreciated dude.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on December 28, 2015, 08:04:47 PM
damn, son. droppin' science. I would totally gnar that post if I could.

but I never have and I don't think I ever will break an axle, hollow or regular.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on December 28, 2015, 08:52:57 PM
Quote from: N.L. on December 28, 2015, 03:36:57 PM
Back on indy 149s with the 88a conical bushings. They really feel like shit next to my worn in thunder 151s. The timing on ollies is great and there is less wheelbite issues but the turn is so sluggish... I've got to stop alternating between truck brands and just commit to one...

I had similar experiences with those indy red 88's. As soon as I'd take them out to skate they would feel really agile and would turn quick right away, but after awhile, deeper into the session it seemed like it would seize up and the turning felt more sluggish. Then again, its been cold out lately when this has happened, so I figured that had something to do with it.     
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: obZen on December 28, 2015, 10:16:23 PM
For the last 10 years now I just buy a set of Thunder team trucks and tighten them about a turn and a half, keep everything stock. Only change I've made in that time I that I sized up to 149's since I'm riding 8.3" decks these days. Thunder bushings have gotten better over the last 5 years too. Quick turn, not too low, perfect weight. Back them forever.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 29, 2015, 04:31:15 AM
Quote from: obZen on December 28, 2015, 10:16:23 PM
For the last 10 years now I just buy a set of Thunder team trucks and tighten them about a turn and a half, keep everything stock. Only change I've made in that time I that I sized up to 149's since I'm riding 8.3" decks these days. Thunder bushings have gotten better over the last 5 years too. Quick turn, not too low, perfect weight. Back them forever.

The trucks themselves are great, but the bushings have always and still are garbage. The clear ones that come stock on regular 149 Hi's ripped and crapped out within a month on me multiple times.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on December 29, 2015, 06:34:39 AM
Quote from: Xtal on December 29, 2015, 04:31:15 AM
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For the last 10 years now I just buy a set of Thunder team trucks and tighten them about a turn and a half, keep everything stock. Only change I've made in that time I that I sized up to 149's since I'm riding 8.3" decks these days. Thunder bushings have gotten better over the last 5 years too. Quick turn, not too low, perfect weight. Back them forever.
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The trucks themselves are great, but the bushings have always and still are garbage. The clear ones that come stock on regular 149 Hi's ripped and crapped out within a month on me multiple times.

the white ones that come stock are the best. i get the aftermarket thunder ones and there great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 29, 2015, 07:05:46 AM
Quote from: fulfillthedream on December 29, 2015, 06:34:39 AM
Quote from: Xtal on December 29, 2015, 04:31:15 AM
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Quote from: obZen on December 28, 2015, 10:16:23 PM
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For the last 10 years now I just buy a set of Thunder team trucks and tighten them about a turn and a half, keep everything stock. Only change I've made in that time I that I sized up to 149's since I'm riding 8.3" decks these days. Thunder bushings have gotten better over the last 5 years too. Quick turn, not too low, perfect weight. Back them forever.
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The trucks themselves are great, but the bushings have always and still are garbage. The clear ones that come stock on regular 149 Hi's ripped and crapped out within a month on me multiple times.
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the white ones that come stock are the best. i get the aftermarket thunder ones and there great.

The white ones must come stock on different models. I find it odd how truck companies have good stock ones on some models but crappy ones on others.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: obZen on December 29, 2015, 05:32:53 PM
Quote from: Xtal on December 29, 2015, 04:31:15 AM
Quote from: obZen on December 28, 2015, 10:16:23 PM
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For the last 10 years now I just buy a set of Thunder team trucks and tighten them about a turn and a half, keep everything stock. Only change I've made in that time I that I sized up to 149's since I'm riding 8.3" decks these days. Thunder bushings have gotten better over the last 5 years too. Quick turn, not too low, perfect weight. Back them forever.
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The trucks themselves are great, but the bushings have always and still are garbage. The clear ones that come stock on regular 149 Hi's ripped and crapped out within a month on me multiple times.

Could be the case. They respond super well, and I haven't had any blow out on me in my last three pairs. I dont skate big shit though. Ledges, flat bars, smaller stairs and gaps. Pretty much everything below 8-10 stairs. I'm sure I'd have a much bigger issue if I were doing anything massive. Mine usually are the stock clear bushings too. I might try some of the aftermarket ones as I think something slightly harder would be better for my fat ass.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 01, 2016, 12:26:01 PM
149 Hollow thunder hangers
team plates for height
Krux downlow hollow kingpin
soft khiro pivot cups
indy 88a conical bushings

The turn takes a bit to get used to in tranny (I'm usually an ACE or Indy guy for bowls)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 01, 2016, 01:54:42 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 01, 2016, 12:26:01 PM
149 Hollow thunder hangers
team plates for height
Krux downlow hollow kingpin
soft khiro pivot cups
indy 88a conical bushings

The turn takes a bit to get used to in tranny (I'm usually an ACE or Indy guy for bowls)

You should put a team plate in the back with the forged plate in front, like a hot rod. It'll help with pop............
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 01, 2016, 06:44:38 PM
Quote from: N.L. on December 28, 2015, 03:36:57 PM
Back on indy 149s with the 88a conical bushings. They really feel like shit next to my worn in thunder 151s. The timing on ollies is great and there is less wheelbite issues but the turn is so sluggish... I've got to stop alternating between truck brands and just commit to one...

I think this might be a cold weather thing. Temps were in the 30s today, wind chill in the teens and my trucks wouldn't turn for shit.... Anyone else notice their bushings significantly hardening up in cold weather?
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Post by: Randozzi on January 01, 2016, 06:56:25 PM
Oh yeah.
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Post by: perverted super otaku! on January 01, 2016, 06:57:04 PM
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Back on indy 149s with the 88a conical bushings. They really feel like shit next to my worn in thunder 151s. The timing on ollies is great and there is less wheelbite issues but the turn is so sluggish... I've got to stop alternating between truck brands and just commit to one...
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I think this might be a cold weather thing. Temps were in the 30s today, wind chill in the teens and my trucks wouldn't turn for shit.... Anyone else notice their bushings significantly hardening up in cold weather?
Oh yes, I'm very well acquainted with this, best solution to still be able to turn is take out your bottom washers, and let your front truck wobble a bit, bushings seem like they also shrink in the cold also, so as much as your back trucks stiffens up, your front will have more shrink wobble creating an equilibrium of sorts
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 01, 2016, 07:07:25 PM
just took out my indy conical 88as and put in some thrashed bones mediums with no washers. its wobbly and will likely give me wheelbite but a man needs to turn...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on January 01, 2016, 07:25:54 PM
Quote from: N.L. on January 01, 2016, 07:07:25 PM
just took out my indy conical 88as and put in some thrashed bones mediums with no washers. its wobbly and will likely give me wheelbite but a man needs to turn...
Just keep in mind that they'll get more wobbly the colder it is, but also more stiff at the same time, maybe bring a tool out if you can to re-adjust until you find the sweet spot
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paul Cicero on January 06, 2016, 01:56:49 AM
This has probably been covered already, but I'm thinking of trying Thunder again, just need to know if Thunder 147s are longer than Indy 139s?
Im assuming yes? Or is the 147 the Thunder version of Indy 139s? Thanks Pals.
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Post by: Coconut Lotion on January 06, 2016, 03:04:15 AM
Quote from: Suit Up! on January 06, 2016, 01:56:49 AM
This has probably been covered already, but I'm thinking of trying Thunder again, just need to know if Thunder 147s are longer than Indy 139s?
Im assuming yes? Or is the 147 the Thunder version of Indy 139s? Thanks Pals.

Exact same width my dude
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: swagsurfer on January 06, 2016, 09:44:56 PM
i got some bones medium bushings in some venture lows. what i do is take off the kingpin nut on both and twist it slightly so its on the last thread and then i give it 5-6 complete 360 rotations so that way the torque is about even on both sides. i can't stand having a truck that's looser than the other.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on January 06, 2016, 09:47:27 PM
Took the top bushing off my front truck and honestly it feels amazing. I have a hard bones bushing and it's easier to turn but still feels pretty stable. I think it might actually even help my manuals on that truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: swagsurfer on January 06, 2016, 10:20:36 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on January 06, 2016, 09:47:27 PM
Took the top bushing off my front truck and honestly it feels amazing. I have a hard bones bushing and it's easier to turn but still feels pretty stable. I think it might actually even help my manuals on that truck.


on some daewon shit?
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Post by: ZEBRA on January 06, 2016, 10:23:42 PM
Just bought some aftermarket Indy Soft bushings. The red ones. Love them. Only bushing I can ride. I'm a big guy and I ride medium to loose trucks. Anything harder crumbles.

What thinking about trying the super soft Indy bushings. They're white. Didn't even know they made those. White bushings would be a lot easier on the eyes.

Anybody ever had the white ones??
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Post by: mynameisnotjeff on January 06, 2016, 11:14:49 PM
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Took the top bushing off my front truck and honestly it feels amazing. I have a hard bones bushing and it's easier to turn but still feels pretty stable. I think it might actually even help my manuals on that truck.

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on some daewon shit?
Yeah but probably tighter lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on January 06, 2016, 11:27:16 PM
Anyone ever try 2 bottom bones bushing's on Ace Trucks? Regular Set Up makes the kingpin stick out by 3-4 threads. I even tried putting a stock top bushing and Bone's Bottom bushing and it still sticks out. I just wanna tighten it so the the washers and bushings are secure. I know everyone praises the Stock Ace bushings but them things mush out too quick.

Also, has anyone tried using Indy pivot cups on Ace? mines just blew out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 07, 2016, 07:52:33 AM
Quote from: ZEBRA on January 06, 2016, 10:23:42 PM
Just bought some aftermarket Indy Soft bushings. The red ones. Love them. Only bushing I can ride. I'm a big guy and I ride medium to loose trucks. Anything harder crumbles.

What thinking about trying the super soft Indy bushings. They're white. Didn't even know they made those. White bushings would be a lot easier on the eyes.

Anybody ever had the white ones??

Curious about those also. I use the reds and thought about mixing it up with the whites... let us know if you try em...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Such on January 07, 2016, 03:17:42 PM
do theeve trucks come with bones bushings? the look identical.
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Post by: Coconut Lotion on January 07, 2016, 03:20:23 PM
Quote from: such on January 07, 2016, 03:17:42 PM
do theeve trucks come with bones bushings? the look identical.

Yes
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Post by: Such on January 07, 2016, 03:42:54 PM
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do theeve trucks come with bones bushings? the look identical.
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good i im using some thunders and the bushings suck. hows the turning on theeves?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ZEBRA on January 07, 2016, 09:09:37 PM
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Just bought some aftermarket Indy Soft bushings. The red ones. Love them. Only bushing I can ride. I'm a big guy and I ride medium to loose trucks. Anything harder crumbles.

What thinking about trying the super soft Indy bushings. They're white. Didn't even know they made those. White bushings would be a lot easier on the eyes.

Anybody ever had the white ones??
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Curious about those also. I use the reds and thought about mixing it up with the whites... let us know if you try em...

Will do. Probably buying some this weekend. Hopefully it stops raining next week...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 07, 2016, 10:41:26 PM
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Yes
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good i im using some thunders and the bushings suck. hows the turning on theeves?

Good....like an Indy I think.....unfortunately they say Theeve on them.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 08, 2016, 07:20:53 AM
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do theeve trucks come with bones bushings? the look identical.
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Yes
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good i im using some thunders and the bushings suck. hows the turning on theeves?

Theeve are great, very much like an Indy, used to be lighter but no longer, stock bones; I always found them sort of a Thunder/Indy hybrid: faster carve/turn than Indy, more carvy/turny than Thunder - I found them difficult to adjust too after riding aces for so long.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 08, 2016, 08:52:28 AM
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do theeve trucks come with bones bushings? the look identical.
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Yes
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good i im using some thunders and the bushings suck. hows the turning on theeves?
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Theeve are great, very much like an Indy, used to be lighter but no longer, stock bones; I always found them sort of a Thunder/Indy hybrid: faster carve/turn than Indy, more carvy/turny than Thunder - I found them difficult to adjust too after riding aces for so long.


Second that for Theeve.  The TiKings were the best trucks I've ever skated.  However, I kept having issues with the kingpin rounding the baseplate so I gave up on them.  Not sure if they've fixed that issue but I'm assuming they haven't since the baseplate is still the same
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on January 08, 2016, 09:14:14 AM
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Yes
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good i im using some thunders and the bushings suck. hows the turning on theeves?
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Good....like an Indy I think.....unfortunately they say Theeve on them.....
I recently did the krux downlow kingpin swap with some TiKings and the clearance is crazy on smiths.  I only had the kingpin/baseplate problems on the first run set I had which were the V2 TiAX.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 08, 2016, 09:40:22 AM
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Yes
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good i im using some thunders and the bushings suck. hows the turning on theeves?
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Good....like an Indy I think.....unfortunately they say Theeve on them.....
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I recently did the krux downlow kingpin swap with some TiKings and the clearance is crazy on smiths.  I only had the kingpin/baseplate problems on the first run set I had which were the V2 TiAX.

Nice.  Got any pics of that Krux kingpin on the Tikings?  How hard was it to hammer out the kingpin from the Theeve baseplate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on January 08, 2016, 09:45:04 AM
recently went back to plain ol Indy 149 with regular hangers.... only modification = bones med
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 08, 2016, 09:49:59 AM
Quote from: art hellman on January 08, 2016, 09:45:04 AM
recently went back to plain ol Indy 149 with regular hangers.... only modification = bones med

I'm still flip-flopping between two setups, one with Thunder 149 and one with Indy 149 and can't decide between the two.  They both have advantages and drawbacks over each other.

Was there anything in particular that made you go back to Indy or just to change things up?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on January 08, 2016, 10:33:53 AM
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do theeve trucks come with bones bushings? the look identical.
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Yes
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good i im using some thunders and the bushings suck. hows the turning on theeves?
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Good....like an Indy I think.....unfortunately they say Theeve on them.....
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I recently did the krux downlow kingpin swap with some TiKings and the clearance is crazy on smiths.  I only had the kingpin/baseplate problems on the first run set I had which were the V2 TiAX.
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Nice.  Got any pics of that Krux kingpin on the Tikings?  How hard was it to hammer out the kingpin from the Theeve baseplate?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BASb29Qo_J0/?taken-by=layzieyez (https://www.instagram.com/p/BASb29Qo_J0/?taken-by=layzieyez)

It wasn't hard to pound out and I actually used the idea of an old kingfoam insole wrapped around the handle of my hatchet I posted before to pound it out.  My method involves dry wall screwing the baseplate into a piece of 2x4 to keep the whole thing solid and keeping the target from moving.  It only took about a dozen solid smacks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 08, 2016, 10:38:26 AM
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do theeve trucks come with bones bushings? the look identical.
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Yes
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good i im using some thunders and the bushings suck. hows the turning on theeves?
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Good....like an Indy I think.....unfortunately they say Theeve on them.....
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I recently did the krux downlow kingpin swap with some TiKings and the clearance is crazy on smiths.  I only had the kingpin/baseplate problems on the first run set I had which were the V2 TiAX.
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Nice.  Got any pics of that Krux kingpin on the Tikings?  How hard was it to hammer out the kingpin from the Theeve baseplate?
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BASb29Qo_J0/?taken-by=layzieyez (https://www.instagram.com/p/BASb29Qo_J0/?taken-by=layzieyez)

It wasn't hard to pound out and I actually used the idea of an old kingfoam insole wrapped around the handle of my hatchet I posted before to pound it out.  My method involves dry wall screwing the baseplate into a piece of 2x4 to keep the whole thing solid and keeping the target from moving.  It only took about a dozen solid smacks.

That's awesome man.  Theeve already have pretty good kingpin clearance but that is insane.  It looks like you'll grind through the entire axle before reaching the kingpin.  Nice work
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: coneklr on January 08, 2016, 10:42:11 AM
If anyone wants a set of those Krux kingpins pm me.  I bought a set but really wanted to skate so I just hooked my board up so I could go and I'm too lazy to take it apart at this point haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on January 08, 2016, 10:47:32 AM
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recently went back to plain ol Indy 149 with regular hangers.... only modification = bones med
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I'm still flip-flopping between two setups, one with Thunder 149 and one with Indy 149 and can't decide between the two.  They both have advantages and drawbacks over each other.

Was there anything in particular that made you go back to Indy or just to change things up?

1) looser/surf turn (for me, once you get to a certain looseness on Thunders, they just sorta flop over and lose all control)
2) height (less wheel bite)
3) look (I prefer the shape/design of the indy hanger to any other truck)
4) time (i've spent more time skating indy than any other truck...so there's a general sense of "well, these worked for this long...")
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 08, 2016, 10:59:49 AM
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recently went back to plain ol Indy 149 with regular hangers.... only modification = bones med
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I'm still flip-flopping between two setups, one with Thunder 149 and one with Indy 149 and can't decide between the two.  They both have advantages and drawbacks over each other.

Was there anything in particular that made you go back to Indy or just to change things up?
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1) looser/surf turn (for me, once you get to a certain looseness on Thunders, they just sorta flop over and lose all control)
2) height (less wheel bite)
3) look (I prefer the shape/design of the indy hanger to any other truck)
4) time (i've spent more time skating indy than any other truck...so there's a general sense of "well, these worked for this long...")

Pretty similar to what I've found -

Indy - smoother deeper turn, more stable on manuals and landings (this could be due to using the cylinder aftermarket bottom bushings) and every time I step on my Indy setup I immediately think "ahh, this feels right"

Thunder - Pop.  I have no idea why but I can simply pop higher on Thunder's than any other trucks.  I don't think it has anything to do with weight.  It might be the axle placement being pushed out a bit further than Indy.  This one thing is what keeps my trying Thunder.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on January 08, 2016, 11:03:11 AM
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recently went back to plain ol Indy 149 with regular hangers.... only modification = bones med
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I'm still flip-flopping between two setups, one with Thunder 149 and one with Indy 149 and can't decide between the two.  They both have advantages and drawbacks over each other.

Was there anything in particular that made you go back to Indy or just to change things up?
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1) looser/surf turn (for me, once you get to a certain looseness on Thunders, they just sorta flop over and lose all control)
2) height (less wheel bite)
3) look (I prefer the shape/design of the indy hanger to any other truck)
4) time (i've spent more time skating indy than any other truck...so there's a general sense of "well, these worked for this long...")
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Pretty similar to what I've found -

Indy - smoother deeper turn, more stable on manuals and landings (this could be due to using the cylinder aftermarket bottom bushings) and every time I step on my Indy setup I immediately think "ahh, this feels right"

Thunder - Pop.  I have no idea why but I can simply pop higher on Thunder's than any other trucks.  I don't think it has anything to do with weight.  It might be the axle placement being pushed out a bit further than Indy.  This one thing is what keeps my trying Thunder.

what hardness of the indy aftermarket bushings? do you use a bottom washer?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 08, 2016, 11:09:53 AM
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recently went back to plain ol Indy 149 with regular hangers.... only modification = bones med
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I'm still flip-flopping between two setups, one with Thunder 149 and one with Indy 149 and can't decide between the two.  They both have advantages and drawbacks over each other.

Was there anything in particular that made you go back to Indy or just to change things up?
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1) looser/surf turn (for me, once you get to a certain looseness on Thunders, they just sorta flop over and lose all control)
2) height (less wheel bite)
3) look (I prefer the shape/design of the indy hanger to any other truck)
4) time (i've spent more time skating indy than any other truck...so there's a general sense of "well, these worked for this long...")
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Pretty similar to what I've found -

Indy - smoother deeper turn, more stable on manuals and landings (this could be due to using the cylinder aftermarket bottom bushings) and every time I step on my Indy setup I immediately think "ahh, this feels right"

Thunder - Pop.  I have no idea why but I can simply pop higher on Thunder's than any other trucks.  I don't think it has anything to do with weight.  It might be the axle placement being pushed out a bit further than Indy.  This one thing is what keeps my trying Thunder.
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what hardness of the indy aftermarket bushings? do you use a bottom washer?

I'm using the 90a red "soft" cylinder bottom bushings with both washers and the nut tightened flush.  They're softer than the stock Indy bushings (with much better rebound) but they seem to get firmer the deeper you turn.  They give a loose feel but almost eliminate wheelbite.

The only downside is that they take about 3 sessions to break in 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 08, 2016, 12:36:00 PM
anyone know what the deal is with these ave independent trucks?

http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/micro/15/12/independent-ave (http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/micro/15/12/independent-ave)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 08, 2016, 12:39:03 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on January 08, 2016, 12:36:00 PM
anyone know what the deal is with these ave independent trucks?

http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/micro/15/12/independent-ave (http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/micro/15/12/independent-ave)

Standard Indy's with solid kingpin, solid axle and cast baseplate with a matte/satin clear coat.  The white bushings/black hardware looks cool if you care about that type of thing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 08, 2016, 01:47:20 PM
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recently went back to plain ol Indy 149 with regular hangers.... only modification = bones med
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I'm still flip-flopping between two setups, one with Thunder 149 and one with Indy 149 and can't decide between the two.  They both have advantages and drawbacks over each other.

Was there anything in particular that made you go back to Indy or just to change things up?
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1) looser/surf turn (for me, once you get to a certain looseness on Thunders, they just sorta flop over and lose all control)
2) height (less wheel bite)
3) look (I prefer the shape/design of the indy hanger to any other truck)
4) time (i've spent more time skating indy than any other truck...so there's a general sense of "well, these worked for this long...")

i flip flop between indy and thunders also but 159s and 151s. i find the timing of the pop better on indys and a deeper turn. thunders are lighter, lower and quicker to respond. both great trucks and i can never make up my mind what i prefer....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SodaJerk on January 09, 2016, 04:01:46 AM
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anyone know what the deal is with these ave independent trucks?

http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/micro/15/12/independent-ave (http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/micro/15/12/independent-ave)
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Standard Indy's with solid kingpin, solid axle and cast baseplate with a matte/satin clear coat.  The white bushings/black hardware looks cool if you care about that type of thing
They must have put the wrong specs on the 139's info because they're listed as measuring a 7.6" hanger.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 11, 2016, 06:40:05 PM
lately I've been having a problem with one of my trucks. on one side only, the outer bearing keeps slowly coming out of the wheel. I've tried cleaning my bearings and rotating them. the wheels are new too so I'm thinking something is wrong with the axle of my truck. it's really strange. anyone know what causes this and how to fix it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on January 11, 2016, 06:45:55 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on January 11, 2016, 06:40:05 PM
lately I've been having a problem with one of my trucks. on one side only, the outer bearing keeps slowly coming out of the wheel. I've tried cleaning my bearings and rotating them. the wheels are new too so I'm thinking something is wrong with the axle of my truck. it's really strange. anyone know what causes this and how to fix it?
Maybe bearing seat(I think its called, hole either way) is defective on that side?. Especially if its been happening since you put the new wheels on
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 11, 2016, 07:31:01 PM
that would suck but I have another set of wheels I can try if the problem continues. thanks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on January 11, 2016, 08:18:20 PM
Had that problem with a set of v2 STFs before. Everytime my board would land primo the bearing for one of the wheels would pop out and it would lock the wheel up. Ended up giving em to a friend who didn't care.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on January 14, 2016, 02:32:47 AM
(http://www.khiroskateboardproducts.com/Row_All_Inserts.gif)

I'm starting to like not having the top washer on my trucks. I also find that if you bend it to a certain point, it starts to cut away at your top bushing then it leads to it being blown out or separate in half.

I'm interested in trying these and thought if anyone has ever tried them. I know Bone's makes hard plastic ends on their bushings but they tend to crack easily especially the top if you don't use a washer.

Need feedback on khiro pivot cups too and how they compare to the indy version.

I just replaced the pivot cups on the redesigned Ace 44's i just got and the indy pivot cups sits loose and doesn't fit right but they're less squeaky and seems to be holding up pretty well. i figured since khiro makes bushings and pivot cups mainly, wouldn't it be a universal fit?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on January 14, 2016, 03:29:02 AM
I had a few sets of those and I've blown them out.  They're good, but aren't indestructible.  It was a while ago so I can't tell you how long a set lasted me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sweet pee on January 14, 2016, 05:06:10 AM
I had a set of the yellow khiro bushings (92a). I put them in a pair of Indy's and within two sessions they were completely shredded, and the metal inserts were clanking around. I think these are more suited for cruiser/longboard setups.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 14, 2016, 11:24:48 AM
Quote from: ferraveemo on January 14, 2016, 02:32:47 AM
(http://www.khiroskateboardproducts.com/Row_All_Inserts.gif)

I'm starting to like not having the top washer on my trucks. I also find that if you bend it to a certain point, it starts to cut away at your top bushing then it leads to it being blown out or separate in half.

I'm interested in trying these and thought if anyone has ever tried them. I know Bone's makes hard plastic ends on their bushings but they tend to crack easily especially the top if you don't use a washer.

Need feedback on khiro pivot cups too and how they compare to the indy version.

I just replaced the pivot cups on the redesigned Ace 44's i just got and the indy pivot cups sits loose and doesn't fit right but they're less squeaky and seems to be holding up pretty well. i figured since khiro makes bushings and pivot cups mainly, wouldn't it be a universal fit?

I hate Indy pivot cups so much, with the constant squeaking, that I replace them right off the bat. I've been using the hard khiro pivot cups for a while. I like them. They're quiet and haven't blown out. If you order make sure you get the small ones, I guess the large are for longboard trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheLowerBack on January 14, 2016, 02:46:32 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 14, 2016, 11:24:48 AM
Quote from: ferraveemo on January 14, 2016, 02:32:47 AM
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(http://www.khiroskateboardproducts.com/Row_All_Inserts.gif)

I'm starting to like not having the top washer on my trucks. I also find that if you bend it to a certain point, it starts to cut away at your top bushing then it leads to it being blown out or separate in half.

I'm interested in trying these and thought if anyone has ever tried them. I know Bone's makes hard plastic ends on their bushings but they tend to crack easily especially the top if you don't use a washer.

Need feedback on khiro pivot cups too and how they compare to the indy version.

I just replaced the pivot cups on the redesigned Ace 44's i just got and the indy pivot cups sits loose and doesn't fit right but they're less squeaky and seems to be holding up pretty well. i figured since khiro makes bushings and pivot cups mainly, wouldn't it be a universal fit?
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I hate Indy pivot cups so much, with the constant squeaking, that I replace them right off the bat. I've been using the hard khiro pivot cups for a while. I like them. They're quiet and haven't blown out. If you order make sure you get the small ones, I guess the large are for longboard trucks.
I'd been riding bones bushings without washers for a while. As I got more and more into curbs, I would blow out the top bushings, quick, like in a week or so. I set up with medium Khiro  aluminum inserts on top, bones hard on bottom and soft Khiro pivot cups. Rode like a dream, super carvey/surfy, yet still stable for wobblers. After a month or so of slappies, mainly crooks, the top on disintegrated. I'd say about twice the life span of bones, but I'm back to riding washers. When your kingpin's this ground down you can't go changing bushings every month.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: m477 on January 14, 2016, 02:47:29 PM
I tried the black khiro metal insert bushings and they're hard as rocks. Could not break them in, even with the trucks Daewon clanky loose the board would not turn, just lean  :o
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on January 15, 2016, 07:41:40 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 14, 2016, 11:24:48 AM

I hate Indy pivot cups so much, with the constant squeaking, that I replace them right off the bat. I've been using the hard khiro pivot cups for a while. I like them. They're quiet and haven't blown out. If you order make sure you get the small ones, I guess the large are for longboard trucks.

where do you find em?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 15, 2016, 08:26:30 AM
Quote from: art hellman on January 15, 2016, 07:41:40 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 14, 2016, 11:24:48 AM
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I hate Indy pivot cups so much, with the constant squeaking, that I replace them right off the bat. I've been using the hard khiro pivot cups for a while. I like them. They're quiet and haven't blown out. If you order make sure you get the small ones, I guess the large are for longboard trucks.
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where do you find em?
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3599 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3599)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on January 15, 2016, 07:09:25 PM
Quote from: TheLowerBack on January 14, 2016, 02:46:32 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 14, 2016, 11:24:48 AM
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Quote from: ferraveemo on January 14, 2016, 02:32:47 AM
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(http://www.khiroskateboardproducts.com/Row_All_Inserts.gif)

I'm starting to like not having the top washer on my trucks. I also find that if you bend it to a certain point, it starts to cut away at your top bushing then it leads to it being blown out or separate in half.

I'm interested in trying these and thought if anyone has ever tried them. I know Bone's makes hard plastic ends on their bushings but they tend to crack easily especially the top if you don't use a washer.

Need feedback on khiro pivot cups too and how they compare to the indy version.

I just replaced the pivot cups on the redesigned Ace 44's i just got and the indy pivot cups sits loose and doesn't fit right but they're less squeaky and seems to be holding up pretty well. i figured since khiro makes bushings and pivot cups mainly, wouldn't it be a universal fit?
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I hate Indy pivot cups so much, with the constant squeaking, that I replace them right off the bat. I've been using the hard khiro pivot cups for a while. I like them. They're quiet and haven't blown out. If you order make sure you get the small ones, I guess the large are for longboard trucks.
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I'd been riding bones bushings without washers for a while. As I got more and more into curbs, I would blow out the top bushings, quick, like in a week or so. I set up with medium Khiro  aluminum inserts on top, bones hard on bottom and soft Khiro pivot cups. Rode like a dream, super carvey/surfy, yet still stable for wobblers. After a month or so of slappies, mainly crooks, the top on disintegrated. I'd say about twice the life span of bones, but I'm back to riding washers. When your kingpin's this ground down you can't go changing bushings every month.


I'm really trying to get accustomed to Ace because i want trucks to be truly loose without having to go all Matt Rodriguez. I've had Indy's since forever and i just set my cruiser/slappy set up with the Indy Soft Bushings and something about the geometry of the truck that keeps it really stable that the rebound that you get when it center's it back is so on point but it doesn't give you that true loose feel that Ace does. I absolutely despise stock bushings because they feel soggy and almost too bouncy that it feel's like your skating in 78a wheels. I wanna find a bushing that feels like bones mediums that can fit Ace's without the kingpin sticking out.

I noticed that on Ace's that even if i replaced the stock pivot cups which blew out way quicker(3 days) than the indy's(1 week) atleast the indy's weren't squeaky. They just didn't sit right for some reason on the pivot cup hole. As far as durability on the khiro's soft or hard! i want know if they last a good while. As I too am skating more curbs than usual and i've made my indy pivot cups last almost a year till it's completely blown out of the pivot cup hole.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on January 18, 2016, 11:38:01 AM
Are Ace 44's 8.25" on the dot?

And does anybody know where I can get the new ones from?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 18, 2016, 01:46:08 PM
Quote from: VCR on January 18, 2016, 11:38:01 AM
Are Ace 44's 8.25" on the dot?

And does anybody know where I can get the new ones from?

they're actually 8.38.  Skatewarehouse and Socalskateshop have the new models in stock
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on January 18, 2016, 03:12:31 PM
Thanks man!

You wouldn't happen to know if they are taller than regular indys?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 18, 2016, 03:37:42 PM
Quote from: VCR on January 18, 2016, 03:12:31 PM
Thanks man!

You wouldn't happen to know if they are taller than regular indys?

They're 53mm tall but since they turn so well there's pretty much no wheelbite unless you ride huge wheels without a riser. SkateWarehouse is sold out of the 44's, go with SoCalSkateShop if you can't get them at your local shop.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 18, 2016, 07:32:04 PM
I just bit the bullet and got some 44s from Unheard. Figured, I can't continue to talk shit on Ace until I've given them a fair run and if I don't like them, they can go on my cruiser....

https://www.unheardpdx.com/trucks/ace-44s (https://www.unheardpdx.com/trucks/ace-44s)

They are the new beefed up hangars despite the photo....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 18, 2016, 07:51:34 PM
Quote from: N.L. on January 18, 2016, 07:32:04 PM
I just bit the bullet and got some 44s from Unheard. Figured, I can't continue to talk shit on Ace until I've given them a fair run and if I don't like them, they can go on my cruiser....

https://www.unheardpdx.com/trucks/ace-44s (https://www.unheardpdx.com/trucks/ace-44s)

They are the new beefed up hangars despite the photo....

Finally, you been slackin' fool! You're gonna love 'em.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 18, 2016, 08:28:25 PM
We'll see... I just compared them with my Thunders and Indys. The Ace 44s are a tiny bit higher than the Thunders 151 (with regular baseplates) but also heavier (which might not be a fair comparison since my thunders are at axle). The Ace are maybe a couple of mms lower than Indy 149 stage 11 and seem about the same weight, perhaps this is due to the beefier hangar?

The weather is absolute dog shit at the moment so no idea when I'll get to try them... maybe an indoor session...

If they work out maybe I'll see about some 55s. They certainly look sick. In the past when I tried them on friends' boards I didn't like the grind on chunky pool coping but like I said, I'll give them a solid run now I have my own pair.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 18, 2016, 09:30:16 PM
They are 2mm shorter than Indy Standards and .7 taller than Thunder Hi's. Just be patient, as it will feel weird when grinding at first but that's just the trucks locking you in towards the wheel so you build in those grooves easier. After just a few hours you'll already start to become one with the trucks 8)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 19, 2016, 02:03:21 PM
If you ride loose ACE and Khiro don't mix well due to the size yoke hole on the aces -  I was running red bottoms/blue tops and the hanger would just eat away at the bushing, too soft and too loose maybe?

Khiro are great but I don't find them as snappy as bones or indy after markets.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 19, 2016, 04:18:58 PM
Unless you're Matt Rodriguez, I don't understand why people replace Ace's bushings. They're resilient and have the perfect hardness, and I'm a big dude. Other than what I've read about Krux you won't find a better stock bushing than those two truck companies.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on January 20, 2016, 02:09:10 AM
Quote from: Xtal on January 19, 2016, 04:18:58 PM
Unless you're Matt Rodriguez, I don't understand why people replace Ace's bushings. They're resilient and have the perfect hardness, and I'm a big dude. Other than what I've read about Krux you won't find a better stock bushing than those two truck companies.

My dude...i blew through those stock bushings and stock pivot cups and i didn't even tighten them to a point that it would mush out. I tighten them to a point that you can only see 2 threads of the kingpin sticking out or till the washers are intact and aren't clacking. Point is i just don't like it when the kingpin sticks out period. it's personal preference!

I like Ace, i just want them to be more durable than Indy's. If the next big "truck" company comes out. i hope it turns like Ace but last like indy's.

I'm referencing Matt Rodriguez since people nowadays go out of their way to get their trucks loose! i'm not going that route. Loose for me is when my turns are dipped easily without putting too much lean on the rails of the board. I also like full control of the board like driving a car without steering wheel fluid<<<personal preference
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on January 20, 2016, 02:17:56 AM
Quote from: Xen on January 19, 2016, 02:03:21 PM
If you ride loose ACE and Khiro don't mix well due to the size yoke hole on the aces -  I was running red bottoms/blue tops and the hanger would just eat away at the bushing, too soft and too loose maybe?

Khiro are great but I don't find them as snappy as bones or indy after markets.

thanks for the feedback. I prefer bones over anything but they fit too small for Ace's. I even tried putting 2 bottom bushings and they didn't work out due to the geometry of the truck. I find that if you put the bottom bushing on top with another bottom bushing below. the top part touches the hanger. if you use a top washer, it makes it even worse! because that washer will saw/embed itself into the hanger. I wanna try trimming the kingpin a little but idk what the right method will do. Bones do fit on Aces fine, i just don't like the way the kingpin sticks out. The redesign already has a lower kingpin compare to the original(with stock bushings) fyi.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 20, 2016, 04:27:14 AM
Quote from: ferraveemo on January 20, 2016, 02:17:56 AM
Quote from: Xen on January 19, 2016, 02:03:21 PM
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If you ride loose ACE and Khiro don't mix well due to the size yoke hole on the aces -  I was running red bottoms/blue tops and the hanger would just eat away at the bushing, too soft and too loose maybe?

Khiro are great but I don't find them as snappy as bones or indy after markets.
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thanks for the feedback. I prefer bones over anything but they fit too small for Ace's. I even tried putting 2 bottom bushings and they didn't work out due to the geometry of the truck. I find that if you put the bottom bushing on top with another bottom bushing below. the top part touches the hanger. if you use a top washer, it makes it even worse! because that washer will saw/embed itself into the hanger. I wanna try trimming the kingpin a little but idk what the right method will do. Bones do fit on Aces fine, i just don't like the way the kingpin sticks out. The redesign already has a lower kingpin compare to the original(with stock bushings) fyi.

I was wondering if they were ever going to lower the kingpin.  it always seemed unnecessarily long and looked like they have less clearance than Indy or Thunder.

Anyone have a pic of the new kingpin clearance?  hard to find any shots of the redesigned truck online
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 20, 2016, 09:15:29 AM
(http://i65.tinypic.com/nc1mhx.jpg)

I'm guessing its the same, at about the height of the middle of the axle?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 20, 2016, 09:23:13 AM
Ace had a lower kingpin before the Stage 11 came out, Indy was just catching up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CRAILFISH TO REVERT on January 21, 2016, 08:38:59 AM
beer getter> 129s / bones soft
old trusty> indy 149s / bones medium 
I also have a setup with ACE 55s. I seriously love them. The set I got came with super long kingpins though...like almost even with the hanger.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 22, 2016, 06:51:14 AM
I like the hardware on my trucks really tight so the baseplates don't move around when I skate. In the past I've also had nuts rattle off so I'm left with only a bolt. What's the best way to get your hardware really tight without causing premature stress cracks in the deck?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 22, 2016, 07:19:50 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on January 22, 2016, 06:51:14 AM
I like the hardware on my trucks really tight so the baseplates don't move around when I skate. In the past I've also had nuts rattle off so I'm left with only a bolt. What's the best way to get your hardware really tight without causing premature stress cracks in the deck?

I tighten my hardware down to where it's just above flush with the grip tape.  The plastic on the nuts is what keeps everything tight so you need at least 2-3 threads of bolt showing above the nut.  If you do that and they are falling off still, that means you need new hardware.

If they are still rattling loose for some reason, you can put a drop of loctite on each nut before screwing them on
http://low.es/1nqyqMT (http://low.es/1nqyqMT)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 22, 2016, 02:48:58 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 22, 2016, 07:19:50 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on January 22, 2016, 06:51:14 AM
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I like the hardware on my trucks really tight so the baseplates don't move around when I skate. In the past I've also had nuts rattle off so I'm left with only a bolt. What's the best way to get your hardware really tight without causing premature stress cracks in the deck?
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I tighten my hardware down to where it's just above flush with the grip tape.  The plastic on the nuts is what keeps everything tight so you need at least 2-3 threads of bolt showing above the nut.  If you do that and they are falling off still, that means you need new hardware.

If they are still rattling loose for some reason, you can put a drop of loctite on each nut before screwing them on
http://low.es/1nqyqMT (http://low.es/1nqyqMT)

I have 7/8 hardware that are tightened flush. Still get a bit of baseplate movement but not sure if anything can be done. Just a native feature of skateboards. Was wondering if there are any special tricks to prevent it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 22, 2016, 02:59:28 PM
Ok guys come on I'll nerd the fuck out with you over trucks and shit but worrying about hardware? As long as you use all eight bolts of the proper size and tighten it down securely you're fine. It's normal for the trucks to have the teeniest tiniest movement when you grab the hanger and try to turn the baseplate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 22, 2016, 03:04:28 PM
^the thing that sucks about it is over time your bolt holes get all huge and loose like camel toe.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on January 22, 2016, 03:09:47 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on January 22, 2016, 02:48:58 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 22, 2016, 07:19:50 AM
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I like the hardware on my trucks really tight so the baseplates don't move around when I skate. In the past I've also had nuts rattle off so I'm left with only a bolt. What's the best way to get your hardware really tight without causing premature stress cracks in the deck?
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I tighten my hardware down to where it's just above flush with the grip tape.� The plastic on the nuts is what keeps everything tight so you need at least 2-3 threads of bolt showing above the nut.� If you do that and they are falling off still, that means you need new hardware.

If they are still rattling loose for some reason, you can put a drop of loctite on each nut before screwing them on
http://low.es/1nqyqMT (http://low.es/1nqyqMT)
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I have 7/8 hardware that are tightened flush. Still get a bit of baseplate movement but not sure if anything can be done. Just a native feature of skateboards. Was wondering if there are any special tricks to prevent it.
Using a thin riser really helps the truck to board connection, the baseplate stays put, and its easier to get your bolts locked down tight with out cracking. Not sure why more people don't use them, they are pretty damn helpful imo, also just a thin riser makes huge difference if you ride loose trucks, it massively reduces wheel bite, especially key with wheels over 52-53
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 22, 2016, 03:26:47 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on January 22, 2016, 03:04:28 PM
^the thing that sucks about it is over time your bolt holes get all huge and loose like camel toe.

I've never had that happen. I still don't think it would be enough to make your baseplate turn 90 degrees and leave you splattered on concrete though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 22, 2016, 03:45:06 PM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on January 22, 2016, 03:09:47 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on January 22, 2016, 02:48:58 PM
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Quote from: BMCsteve on January 22, 2016, 07:19:50 AM
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Quote from: ChuckRamone on January 22, 2016, 06:51:14 AM
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I like the hardware on my trucks really tight so the baseplates don't move around when I skate. In the past I've also had nuts rattle off so I'm left with only a bolt. What's the best way to get your hardware really tight without causing premature stress cracks in the deck?
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I tighten my hardware down to where it's just above flush with the grip tape.� The plastic on the nuts is what keeps everything tight so you need at least 2-3 threads of bolt showing above the nut.� If you do that and they are falling off still, that means you need new hardware.

If they are still rattling loose for some reason, you can put a drop of loctite on each nut before screwing them on
http://low.es/1nqyqMT (http://low.es/1nqyqMT)
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I have 7/8 hardware that are tightened flush. Still get a bit of baseplate movement but not sure if anything can be done. Just a native feature of skateboards. Was wondering if there are any special tricks to prevent it.
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Using a thin riser really helps the truck to board connection, the baseplate stays put, and its easier to get your bolts locked down tight with out cracking. Not sure why more people don't use them, they are pretty damn helpful imo, also just a thin riser makes huge difference if you ride loose trucks, it massively reduces wheel bite, especially key with wheels over 52-53

hm maybe I'll get some. I have some on my cruiser but haven't used them on my regular board in forever.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on January 22, 2016, 03:54:44 PM
Can't remember exactly but i'm pretty sure mine are a 10th of an inch, just keep in mind the holes for most risers are made to fit Indy's specs, thunder makes 1/8 inch ones, but if you want them a bit thinner, it will require some alterations to the holes to be perfectly squared up with the base plate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 22, 2016, 04:09:17 PM
If you ride standard Indy highs with an 1/8" riser you'll be pretty high off the ground. It made me feel very disconnected from my board. 1/4" and 1/2" was unbearable. Only supposed to really use risers if you're going over 56mm wheels. Low or mid trucks with an 1/8" riser will be fine though. *Make sure you get hard plastic risers* The rubber ones will lose their thickness over time and cause your hardware to become loose. Rubber also makes nose/tailslides stickier.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 22, 2016, 04:53:56 PM
OK truck nerds, please tell me the Ace bushings loosen up nicely when broken in? Nightmare session today, I couldn't get my 44s loose enough with the stock bushings... I was hoping to make these trucks work with stock parts...

What  bushings are everyone using in their Aces?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 22, 2016, 05:09:37 PM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on January 22, 2016, 03:54:44 PM
Can't remember exactly but i'm pretty sure mine are a 10th of an inch, just keep in mind the holes for most risers are made to fit Indy's specs, thunder makes 1/8 inch ones, but if you want them a bit thinner, it will require some alterations to the holes to be perfectly squared up with the base plate.

where did you get 1/10 risers? the thinnest I could find are 1/8.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bluntstofakie on January 22, 2016, 05:19:46 PM
Quote from: N.L. on January 22, 2016, 04:53:56 PM
OK truck nerds, please tell me the Ace bushings loosen up nicely when broken in? Nightmare session today, I couldn't get my 44s loose enough with the stock bushings... I was hoping to make these trucks work with stock parts...

What  bushings are everyone using in their Aces?
I hated the stock bushings, ditched them after maybe 3 sessions. Put bones soft in for a month until they shredded. They were absurdly loose with the bones so I just went back to the stock bushings and actually really liked them. I must have been one session away from breaking them in before I gave up on them. Have been riding them with both washers, kingpin nut tightened flush for about 6 months. I say give them a few more sessions and see if they soften up enough for you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on January 22, 2016, 05:25:07 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on January 22, 2016, 05:09:37 PM
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Can't remember exactly but i'm pretty sure mine are a 10th of an inch, just keep in mind the holes for most risers are made to fit Indy's specs, thunder makes 1/8 inch ones, but if you want them a bit thinner, it will require some alterations to the holes to be perfectly squared up with the base plate.
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where did you get 1/10 risers? the thinnest I could find are 1/8.
Mini-logo, after looking it up mine are definitely the 1/10, they are the hard rubber ones, which work really well for me, the rubber is really quite firm and once you tighten them the compression makes them pretty much as hard as the plastic ones, that's what I think anyway. I'd say definitely give them a shot if you want to keep your baseplate super locked in place, when I take my trucks off I have to really yank them to get them off the deck and stay in place even with all the bolts out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 22, 2016, 05:49:58 PM
Quote from: N.L. on January 22, 2016, 04:53:56 PM
OK truck nerds, please tell me the Ace bushings loosen up nicely when broken in? Nightmare session today, I couldn't get my 44s loose enough with the stock bushings... I was hoping to make these trucks work with stock parts...

What  bushings are everyone using in their Aces?

Calm down dude, all bushings gotta break in! Give it a few more sessions.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 22, 2016, 05:52:52 PM
There's no 'calm down' when it comes to new trucks.

Thunder feel good out of the box. Already thrown these Aces in the river and I'm back on my 151s...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 22, 2016, 06:23:35 PM
Lol I've rode every truck out there that's worth buying (Krux not yet), even Thunders and they definitely aren't good right out of the box especially with those shitty stock bushings. If you're really that impatient try some softer bushings in the Ace's. You're nuts if you're going to completely disregard them after one session.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 22, 2016, 06:41:55 PM
I'll fish 'em out and give them another chance. Your reputation now hinges on my success with these trucks, matey.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 22, 2016, 06:42:12 PM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on January 22, 2016, 05:25:07 PM
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Can't remember exactly but i'm pretty sure mine are a 10th of an inch, just keep in mind the holes for most risers are made to fit Indy's specs, thunder makes 1/8 inch ones, but if you want them a bit thinner, it will require some alterations to the holes to be perfectly squared up with the base plate.
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where did you get 1/10 risers? the thinnest I could find are 1/8.
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Mini-logo, after looking it up mine are definitely the 1/10, they are the hard rubber ones, which work really well for me, the rubber is really quite firm and once you tighten them the compression makes them pretty much as hard as the plastic ones, that's what I think anyway. I'd say definitely give them a shot if you want to keep your baseplate super locked in place, when I take my trucks off I have to really yank them to get them off the deck and stay in place even with all the bolts out.

thanks for the tip. I'm gonna try some out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 22, 2016, 06:48:27 PM
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OK truck nerds, please tell me the Ace bushings loosen up nicely when broken in? Nightmare session today, I couldn't get my 44s loose enough with the stock bushings... I was hoping to make these trucks work with stock parts...

What  bushings are everyone using in their Aces?
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I hated the stock bushings, ditched them after maybe 3 sessions. Put bones soft in for a month until they shredded. They were absurdly loose with the bones so I just went back to the stock bushings and actually really liked them. I must have been one session away from breaking them in before I gave up on them. Have been riding them with both washers, kingpin nut tightened flush for about 6 months. I say give them a few more sessions and see if they soften up enough for you.

Good to know. Its been a few years since I had new trucks as I've been rotating a a couple of pairs of nicely broken in trucks for awhile...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 22, 2016, 07:05:21 PM
Quote from: N.L. on January 22, 2016, 06:41:55 PM
I'll fish 'em out and give them another chance. Your reputation now hinges on my success with these trucks, matey.

I like how you described your process as "thrown these in the river" and "I'll fish 'em out". I actually envision you as Lee Ralph literally taking a fishing pole with a hook and worm trying to get some Ace's to bite. Crackin' me up dude...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bluntstofakie on January 23, 2016, 07:15:39 AM
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Can't remember exactly but i'm pretty sure mine are a 10th of an inch, just keep in mind the holes for most risers are made to fit Indy's specs, thunder makes 1/8 inch ones, but if you want them a bit thinner, it will require some alterations to the holes to be perfectly squared up with the base plate.
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where did you get 1/10 risers? the thinnest I could find are 1/8.
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Mini-logo, after looking it up mine are definitely the 1/10, they are the hard rubber ones, which work really well for me, the rubber is really quite firm and once you tighten them the compression makes them pretty much as hard as the plastic ones, that's what I think anyway. I'd say definitely give them a shot if you want to keep your baseplate super locked in place, when I take my trucks off I have to really yank them to get them off the deck and stay in place even with all the bolts out.
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thanks for the tip. I'm gonna try some out.
If you can't find those mini logo 1/10 risers, or want some that are even thinner, dooks makes a hard plastic 1/16 inch riser. They also make these things called silencers that are just a super thin piece of foam. They have both on socal
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 23, 2016, 08:04:06 AM
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Can't remember exactly but i'm pretty sure mine are a 10th of an inch, just keep in mind the holes for most risers are made to fit Indy's specs, thunder makes 1/8 inch ones, but if you want them a bit thinner, it will require some alterations to the holes to be perfectly squared up with the base plate.
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where did you get 1/10 risers? the thinnest I could find are 1/8.
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Mini-logo, after looking it up mine are definitely the 1/10, they are the hard rubber ones, which work really well for me, the rubber is really quite firm and once you tighten them the compression makes them pretty much as hard as the plastic ones, that's what I think anyway. I'd say definitely give them a shot if you want to keep your baseplate super locked in place, when I take my trucks off I have to really yank them to get them off the deck and stay in place even with all the bolts out.
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thanks for the tip. I'm gonna try some out.
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If you can't find those mini logo 1/10 risers, or want some that are even thinner, dooks makes a hard plastic 1/16 inch riser. They also make these things called silencers that are just a super thin piece of foam. They have both on socal

Radical. Thanks for the heads up. Gonna try all these out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 23, 2016, 10:52:53 AM
Quote from: N.L. on January 22, 2016, 05:52:52 PM
There's no 'calm down' when it comes to new trucks.

Thunder feel good out of the box. Already thrown these Aces in the river and I'm back on my 151s...

Different strokes for different blokes!

ACE bushings are probably the second best stock bushings out there this side of Krux.

Krux bushings in Aces fit perfectly (Kurx pivot cups do not) as they are the same height, i.e. taller than most bottom barrels and conicals; even taller than indy but you can force them in indys and they work swimmingly.

feel amazing feeling, that's what's soo good about krux (other than the grinding, which is voodoo) the bushings are so damn good. Bones soft bottoms and krux tops also work well in thunders.

Thunders feel like crap to me out of the box, much too tight. For me to get thunders dialed I need bones softs or indy 88a conicals, anything else is too tight.

ACEs feel better than thunders out of the box but still not right as their bushings are around the same duro, 92/94.

Conicals in aces get them flooping around. Not a fan.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 23, 2016, 10:57:39 AM
i just put some smashed and squished, worn and torn old thunder top bushings (they are significantly shorter) in my aces with the stock ace bottoms. much better. slight rattle but very little wheel bite. i have some broken in krux bushings also but they are a tad hard for my taste.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 23, 2016, 11:04:33 AM
Quote from: N.L. on January 23, 2016, 10:57:39 AM
i just put some smashed and squished, worn and torn old thunder top bushings (they are significantly shorter) in my aces with the stock ace bottoms. much better. slight rattle but very little wheel bite. i have some broken in krux bushings also but they are a tad hard for my taste.



With that top Thunder bushing though, those Ace's look all ugly now. Use the broken in Krux top bushings if you need to since they're also white. Or better yet, man up and break in those Ace stocks, player!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 23, 2016, 11:08:21 AM
my thunder bushings are white. got a few sets, i always keep old bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 23, 2016, 12:34:39 PM
^ma nigguh
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chillclinton87 on January 23, 2016, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 23, 2016, 10:52:53 AM
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There's no 'calm down' when it comes to new trucks.

Thunder feel good out of the box. Already thrown these Aces in the river and I'm back on my 151s...
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Different strokes for different blokes!

ACE bushings are probably the second best stock bushings out there this side of Krux.

Krux bushings in Aces fit perfectly (Kurx pivot cups do not) as they are the same height, i.e. taller than most bottom barrels and conicals; even taller than indy but you can force them in indys and they work swimmingly.

feel amazing feeling, that's what's soo good about krux (other than the grinding, which is voodoo) the bushings are so damn good. Bones soft bottoms and krux tops also work well in thunders.

Thunders feel like crap to me out of the box, much too tight. For me to get thunders dialed I need bones softs or indy 88a conicals, anything else is too tight.

ACEs feel better than thunders out of the box but still not right as their bushings are around the same duro, 92/94.

Conicals in aces get them flooping around. Not a fan.



man this thread got me thinking......i uasually skated thunders with bones mediums, top washer on, no bottom for a couple years. then i must have caught a bad set of bones bushings (medium too), that felt harder than hard bones bushings, so i decided to go with stock and i didn't regret it.

talking bout thunders being good right out the box is as confusing to me as calling them too hard- my last set i bought in august last year was some hollow lights and i kept the bushings as i said, tightened these fuckers flush and just tried to roll with it. first mile or so way too hard, but a little later they felt loose as hell and then set right in the middle without me doing stuff. still ride them perfectly medium ever since.

i feel like i ended this like a disney story in the manner of "and they lived happily ever after" now that i  read it again.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on January 24, 2016, 06:13:16 PM
This feels like the best spot to ask this and if I offend anyone I would like to apologize but...
Has anyone skated Destructo trucks recently?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ZEBRA on January 25, 2016, 03:51:58 PM
Quote from: N.L. on January 07, 2016, 07:52:33 AM
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Just bought some aftermarket Indy Soft bushings. The red ones. Love them. Only bushing I can ride. I'm a big guy and I ride medium to loose trucks. Anything harder crumbles.

What thinking about trying the super soft Indy bushings. They're white. Didn't even know they made those. White bushings would be a lot easier on the eyes.

Anybody ever had the white ones??
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Curious about those also. I use the reds and thought about mixing it up with the whites... let us know if you try em...

It finally stopped raining today and I was actually off from work. Amazing. So, I got to finally test the Super Soft white Indy bushings.

They're awesome! No complaints. I thought I would have to work them in like most new bushings, but as I was skating around my little town, I completely forgot that I even had new bushings. Very responsive. I could actually feel the difference. My old red Indy bushings were a couple years old though, so not sure if they were even as responsive as they should've been.

Highly recommend the Super Soft white Indy bushings.

Only down fall I see to them is if you leave your skate in your car, they may get super soft during the summertime. But, no one should be leaving there shit in their car during the summer anyways. Bad for your shit, man.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on January 25, 2016, 04:54:32 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on January 24, 2016, 06:13:16 PM
This feels like the best spot to ask this and if I offend anyone I would like to apologize but...
Has anyone skated Destructo trucks recently?
I wasn't even aware they were still around..... Are they still around?
I had a set yeeeeeeaaaaars ago and I remember thinking that they felt just like Indys when it came to turning. If they're still anything like the set I had years ago then they're not bad at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 25, 2016, 06:16:44 PM
There's this dude that kills it on tranny at my local park and he has some Destructo Mid's. I commented on how I haven't seen them in years and he said he loves them. I'm pretty sure they're more of a softer metal like Krux and Ace. Senn dogg was on Destructo for a long time but then went to Ace. They still got Saari I'm pretty sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 26, 2016, 12:07:32 PM
http://destructotrucks.com/ (http://destructotrucks.com/)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on January 26, 2016, 01:19:24 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 26, 2016, 12:07:32 PM
http://destructotrucks.com/ (http://destructotrucks.com/)

Saw those at the local shop. Hollow kingpin and all. Really well built i would say. They look like a techier indy to me. Also half the antiz team rides them and they rip so they cant be bad!

(http://www.lineupsurfshop.gr/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1200x1200/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/d/e/destructo_truck_antiz_d2_5.25_mid_lite__raw_large.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 26, 2016, 01:37:47 PM
Quote from: ZEBRA on January 25, 2016, 03:51:58 PM
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Just bought some aftermarket Indy Soft bushings. The red ones. Love them. Only bushing I can ride. I'm a big guy and I ride medium to loose trucks. Anything harder crumbles.

What thinking about trying the super soft Indy bushings. They're white. Didn't even know they made those. White bushings would be a lot easier on the eyes.

Anybody ever had the white ones??
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Curious about those also. I use the reds and thought about mixing it up with the whites... let us know if you try em...
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It finally stopped raining today and I was actually off from work. Amazing. So, I got to finally test the Super Soft white Indy bushings.

They're awesome! No complaints. I thought I would have to work them in like most new bushings, but as I was skating around my little town, I completely forgot that I even had new bushings. Very responsive. I could actually feel the difference. My old red Indy bushings were a couple years old though, so not sure if they were even as responsive as they should've been.

Highly recommend the Super Soft white Indy bushings.

Only down fall I see to them is if you leave your skate in your car, they may get super soft during the summertime. But, no one should be leaving there shit in their car during the summer anyways. Bad for your shit, man.

What  trucks do you have those softies in?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ZEBRA on January 27, 2016, 11:28:27 PM
Quote from: N.L. on January 26, 2016, 01:37:47 PM
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Just bought some aftermarket Indy Soft bushings. The red ones. Love them. Only bushing I can ride. I'm a big guy and I ride medium to loose trucks. Anything harder crumbles.

What thinking about trying the super soft Indy bushings. They're white. Didn't even know they made those. White bushings would be a lot easier on the eyes.

Anybody ever had the white ones??
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Curious about those also. I use the reds and thought about mixing it up with the whites... let us know if you try em...
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It finally stopped raining today and I was actually off from work. Amazing. So, I got to finally test the Super Soft white Indy bushings.

They're awesome! No complaints. I thought I would have to work them in like most new bushings, but as I was skating around my little town, I completely forgot that I even had new bushings. Very responsive. I could actually feel the difference. My old red Indy bushings were a couple years old though, so not sure if they were even as responsive as they should've been.

Highly recommend the Super Soft white Indy bushings.

Only down fall I see to them is if you leave your skate in your car, they may get super soft during the summertime. But, no one should be leaving there shit in their car during the summer anyways. Bad for your shit, man.
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What  trucks do you have those softies in?

Independent's
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on January 28, 2016, 06:49:47 AM
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I like the hardware on my trucks really tight so the baseplates don't move around when I skate. In the past I've also had nuts rattle off so I'm left with only a bolt. What's the best way to get your hardware really tight without causing premature stress cracks in the deck?

I have 7/8 hardware that are tightened flush. Still get a bit of baseplate movement but not sure if anything can be done. Just a native feature of skateboards. Was wondering if there are any special tricks to prevent it.

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the thing that sucks about it is over time your bolt holes get all huge and loose like camel toe.
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I have the same concern. I had to replace my last set of Indys (granted they lasted 2 years) because of this problem. Is it from loose or over-tightened hardware? or both? Maybe I need to replace my bolts more often.
the hardware is too loose, making the baseplate move around and that damages the holes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 28, 2016, 08:28:50 AM
has anyone ever come up with something like a bike hub....I ride spacers....washers.....everything you are suppose to and it'd be sick if you just tightened up your wheels nice and tight and they ran freely without having to back off the nut and then keep an eye on it......

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 28, 2016, 09:03:54 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on January 28, 2016, 08:28:50 AM
has anyone ever come up with something like a bike hub....I ride spacers....washers.....everything you are suppose to and it'd be sick if you just tightened up your wheels nice and tight and they ran freely without having to back off the nut and then keep an eye on it......



Yup, so the new Bones Race Reds are exactly that. Spacers and watchers built in by extending the race.  There are a few other companies out there doing it as well.  It makes the whole separate spacer/washer thing seem ancient

(http://www.valleyskateandsurf.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/racing-reds.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deucifer on January 28, 2016, 09:18:02 AM
Quote from: bbk on January 28, 2016, 06:49:47 AM
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I like the hardware on my trucks really tight so the baseplates don't move around when I skate. In the past I've also had nuts rattle off so I'm left with only a bolt. What's the best way to get your hardware really tight without causing premature stress cracks in the deck?

I have 7/8 hardware that are tightened flush. Still get a bit of baseplate movement but not sure if anything can be done. Just a native feature of skateboards. Was wondering if there are any special tricks to prevent it.

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the thing that sucks about it is over time your bolt holes get all huge and loose like camel toe.
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I have the same concern. I had to replace my last set of Indys (granted they lasted 2 years) because of this problem. Is it from loose or over-tightened hardware? or both? Maybe I need to replace my bolts more often.
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the hardware is too loose, making the baseplate move around and that damages the holes.

I've noticed this happening too if you're hardware is smaller than the holes in your deck/baseplate. If you have ever used Indy bolts, that shit is snug in your deck before you even tighten them. Anything other than shorty's or indy (that I have had) seems to be a little smaller and have some play.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ZEBRA on January 28, 2016, 01:58:34 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 28, 2016, 09:03:54 AM
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has anyone ever come up with something like a bike hub....I ride spacers....washers.....everything you are suppose to and it'd be sick if you just tightened up your wheels nice and tight and they ran freely without having to back off the nut and then keep an eye on it......


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Yup, so the new Bones Race Reds are exactly that. Spacers and watchers built in by extending the race.  There are a few other companies out there doing it as well.  It makes the whole separate spacer/washer thing seem ancient

(http://www.valleyskateandsurf.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/racing-reds.jpg)

Wow!!! These must be new?? Never heard of these.

I've got Super Reds right now. Hand-me-downs from a friend and they're like 3-4 years old.

What are the benefits of spacers?? Never understood what they were for...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 28, 2016, 02:22:33 PM
Quote from: ZEBRA on January 28, 2016, 01:58:34 PM
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has anyone ever come up with something like a bike hub....I ride spacers....washers.....everything you are suppose to and it'd be sick if you just tightened up your wheels nice and tight and they ran freely without having to back off the nut and then keep an eye on it......


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Yup, so the new Bones Race Reds are exactly that. Spacers and watchers built in by extending the race.  There are a few other companies out there doing it as well.  It makes the whole separate spacer/washer thing seem ancient

(http://www.valleyskateandsurf.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/racing-reds.jpg)
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Wow!!! These must be new?? Never heard of these.

I've got Super Reds right now. Hand-me-downs from a friend and they're like 3-4 years old.

What are the benefits of spacers?? Never understood what they were for...

Yup, they've only been out for a couple months.  There are a few other brands that have been making the same thing for years but they were targeted to the longboard community.

spacers essentially allow you to fully tighten down your wheel and allow them to handle more torsional load without failing.  this is why longboarders can go 50mph carving without their bearing cages exploding. 

The same principle applies for street skating with powerslides, reverts and pretty much anytime you don't land perfectly
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 28, 2016, 02:42:32 PM
Hard Luck's Good Times, Great Times, and Six Ball's all have extended races. I have a set of sixers still waiting to be opened and set up, I'm pretty stoked.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 28, 2016, 06:33:47 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 28, 2016, 02:22:33 PM
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has anyone ever come up with something like a bike hub....I ride spacers....washers.....everything you are suppose to and it'd be sick if you just tightened up your wheels nice and tight and they ran freely without having to back off the nut and then keep an eye on it......


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Yup, so the new Bones Race Reds are exactly that. Spacers and watchers built in by extending the race.  There are a few other companies out there doing it as well.  It makes the whole separate spacer/washer thing seem ancient

(http://www.valleyskateandsurf.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/racing-reds.jpg)
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Wow!!! These must be new?? Never heard of these.

I've got Super Reds right now. Hand-me-downs from a friend and they're like 3-4 years old.

What are the benefits of spacers?? Never understood what they were for...
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Yup, they've only been out for a couple months.  There are a few other brands that have been making the same thing for years but they were targeted to the longboard community.

spacers essentially allow you to fully tighten down your wheel and allow them to handle more torsional load without failing.  this is why longboarders can go 50mph carving without their bearing cages exploding. 

The same principle applies for street skating with powerslides, reverts and pretty much anytime you don't land perfectly

Yeah..I had seen those on really old toy store set ups....ill have to grab a set.....

Longboarding got into all the kooky bushing profiles too.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 29, 2016, 11:10:23 AM
Just setup some new Thunder ti 147s, and the stock white bushings are much softer than the translucent yellow ones that came with my last two sets of thunders (147 or 149s); so much so I get wheel bite just leaning with minimal effort while stationary on 51mm wheels.

I'll get to skate them this weekend and see if I can stick with them or resort to bones, either soft/soft or med bottoms and soft tops (probably med/soft as the soft/soft is just too floopy).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 29, 2016, 01:29:20 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 29, 2016, 11:10:23 AM
Just setup some new Thunder ti 147s, and the stock white bushings are much softer than the translucent yellow ones that came with my last two sets of thunders (147 or 149s); so much so I get wheel bite just leaning with minimal effort while stationary on 51mm wheels.

I'll get to skate them this weekend and see if I can stick with them or resort to bones, either soft/soft or med bottoms and soft tops (probably med/soft as the soft/soft is just too floopy).

My thunder bushings firmed up after a few sessions.  you know I don't ride loose but the white bushings with the nut flush worked for me on 149's once they broke in.  it was rough for the first couple days though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chillclinton87 on January 30, 2016, 01:05:34 AM
Quote from: Xen on January 29, 2016, 11:10:23 AM
Just setup some new Thunder ti 147s, and the stock white bushings are much softer than the translucent yellow ones that came with my last two sets of thunders (147 or 149s); so much so I get wheel bite just leaning with minimal effort while stationary on 51mm wheels.

I'll get to skate them this weekend and see if I can stick with them or resort to bones, either soft/soft or med bottoms and soft tops (probably med/soft as the soft/soft is just too floopy).

they just seem softer in the beginning but after rolling for two hours they went pretty hard and next session were perfect and the same hardness- at least i did not notice any difference!

i remember bmc steve saying on here that the duro on the yellow ones is different than on the white ones though!?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on January 30, 2016, 07:18:57 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on January 28, 2016, 06:33:47 PM
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has anyone ever come up with something like a bike hub....I ride spacers....washers.....everything you are suppose to and it'd be sick if you just tightened up your wheels nice and tight and they ran freely without having to back off the nut and then keep an eye on it......


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Yup, so the new Bones Race Reds are exactly that. Spacers and watchers built in by extending the race.  There are a few other companies out there doing it as well.  It makes the whole separate spacer/washer thing seem ancient

(http://www.valleyskateandsurf.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/racing-reds.jpg)
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Wow!!! These must be new?? Never heard of these.

I've got Super Reds right now. Hand-me-downs from a friend and they're like 3-4 years old.

What are the benefits of spacers?? Never understood what they were for...
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Yup, they've only been out for a couple months.  There are a few other brands that have been making the same thing for years but they were targeted to the longboard community.

spacers essentially allow you to fully tighten down your wheel and allow them to handle more torsional load without failing.  this is why longboarders can go 50mph carving without their bearing cages exploding. 

The same principle applies for street skating with powerslides, reverts and pretty much anytime you don't land perfectly
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Yeah..I had seen those on really old toy store set ups....ill have to grab a set.....

Longboarding got into all the kooky bushing profiles too.....
I get how you don't need spacers with these(don't use them anyway), but how do you not need washers?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 30, 2016, 09:45:41 AM
The sleeve protrudes outside the bearing on both sides.....the way I see it is the nut never puts pressure on the parts that should move ie the bearing and wheel....so they can run freely.....

I'm gonna try these....prolly next time I set up a board....ill let you guys know....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 30, 2016, 10:38:07 AM
They'll work as well as any other bearing with builtins (Zealous Seismic, Route, Bilitin, etc.); the biggest concern, if it matters to you, is that they are significantly heavier than a standard bearing set w/spaces and washers. I own set of Zeaouls and Seismic 6-ball and the seismics are heavy in hand; I use them on my cruiser.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 30, 2016, 11:00:12 AM
Quote from: Xtal on January 22, 2016, 06:23:35 PM
Lol I've rode every truck out there that's worth buying (Krux not yet), even Thunders and they definitely aren't good right out of the box especially with those shitty stock bushings. If you're really that impatient try some softer bushings in the Ace's. You're nuts if you're going to completely disregard them after one session.

hate to say it but Xtal was right. couple of sessions deep and the ace stock bushings are money. yes, they are harder than the bushing i usually ride in thunders and indys but when the trucks respond and turn like ace that's just fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on February 05, 2016, 05:56:53 PM
Quote from: N.L. on January 30, 2016, 11:00:12 AM
Quote from: Xtal on January 22, 2016, 06:23:35 PM
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Lol I've rode every truck out there that's worth buying (Krux not yet), even Thunders and they definitely aren't good right out of the box especially with those shitty stock bushings. If you're really that impatient try some softer bushings in the Ace's. You're nuts if you're going to completely disregard them after one session.
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hate to say it but Xtal was right. couple of sessions deep and the ace stock bushings are money. yes, they are harder than the bushing i usually ride in thunders and indys but when the trucks respond and turn like ace that's just fine.

Told you fool!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 06, 2016, 03:27:27 PM
Jumping on the bandwagon to give them a shot

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160206_144754_zpsomtxgrw6.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160206_144754_zpsomtxgrw6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on February 06, 2016, 04:10:35 PM
I'm so disappointed in you Steve.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 06, 2016, 04:10:46 PM
ha ha... Steve, yeah. still digging my 44s. so far no apparent axle bending. pivot cups are just fine also.  

what i really like is, the lack of wheel bite even with rattle loose trucks. thunders and indy usually require me to use risers but i forgo risers on my aces and although i have wheel rub marks, i'm not getting thrown off on sloppy landings. maybe its the angle of the jangle?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 06, 2016, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: N.L. on February 06, 2016, 04:10:46 PM
ha ha... Steve, yeah. still digging my 44s. so far no apparent axle bending. pivot cups are just fine also.  

what i really like is, the lack of wheel bite even with rattle loose trucks. thunders and indy usually require me to use risers but i forgo risers on my aces and although i have wheel rub marks, i'm not getting thrown off on sloppy landings. maybe its the angle of the jangle?

So far I set them up with the but flush and swapped the pivot cups for khiro softs. Had a quick flat ground session in the garage and they felt great.  I'll be able to get a full day on them tomorrow to really feel them out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on February 06, 2016, 04:37:59 PM
Quote from: N.L. on February 06, 2016, 04:10:46 PM
ha ha... Steve, yeah. still digging my 44s. so far no apparent axle bending. pivot cups are just fine also.  

what i really like is, the lack of wheel bite even with rattle loose trucks. thunders and indy usually require me to use risers but i forgo risers on my aces and although i have wheel rub marks, i'm not getting thrown off on sloppy landings. maybe its the angle of the jangle?

What size/shape wheels are you riding?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 06, 2016, 06:07:37 PM
58mm Spitfire f4 classics, worn down to about 56/55mm.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 07, 2016, 06:54:21 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on February 06, 2016, 04:10:35 PM
I'm so disappointed in you Steve.

you and me both, bud
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on February 07, 2016, 01:44:15 PM
Krux k4s. Never riding anything else.

Quote from: N.L. on February 06, 2016, 06:07:37 PM
58mm Spitfire f4 classics, worn down to about 56/55mm.

Nice. I can't fuck with wheels that big. I have a set of 56mm soft D'd on a hammer and I feel like I need 1/4" risers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 08, 2016, 09:50:31 AM
Spent yesterday skating the Ace 44's and I must be missing something. 

I loosened them up about 1/2 turn from stock and replaced the harder Ace pivot cups with Khiro soft but the trucks did not feel how everyone always describes them.

I expected an almost cartoonish, deep, surfy turn and what ended up happening was tic tacking around trying to carve in bowls.

I had to loosen them up 2 turns past having the nut flush just to get any sort of decent turning radius.

You can't expect trucks to be perfect on the first day but this was the opposite of everything I thought they would be.  I got a deeper turn out of Venture's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 08, 2016, 10:20:55 AM
I had the same problem. Stock bushings feel very hard- they do get better but I had to put a Thunder top bushing on to loosen them up enough.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on February 08, 2016, 10:31:46 AM
Leave the trucks alone, especially the pivot cups. Break them in stock. Patience...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on February 08, 2016, 06:25:48 PM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on January 11, 2016, 06:45:55 PM
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lately I've been having a problem with one of my trucks. on one side only, the outer bearing keeps slowly coming out of the wheel. I've tried cleaning my bearings and rotating them. the wheels are new too so I'm thinking something is wrong with the axle of my truck. it's really strange. anyone know what causes this and how to fix it?
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Maybe bearing seat(I think its called, hole either way) is defective on that side?. Especially if its been happening since you put the new wheels on

Pretty sure now my axle is bent. It's happening with again with my new set of Spitfires. That's three different sets of wheels. Does this axle look bent to you guys?

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2dgndc8.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: zippy z on February 08, 2016, 06:53:30 PM
Nope. That axle in the fg and the wheel in the bg look fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on February 08, 2016, 07:08:34 PM
I think you're right. I tried putting something with a right angle against it and it lined up correctly. This is really bizarre. I have no idea why but the outer bearing on my wheel keeps slowly coming out on that one axle only.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on February 09, 2016, 12:46:57 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on February 08, 2016, 07:08:34 PM
I think you're right. I tried putting something with a right angle against it and it lined up correctly. This is really bizarre. I have no idea why but the outer bearing on my wheel keeps slowly coming out on that one axle only.

Is your axle rusted? Doesn't look too bad, but still consider it. This happened on an old pair of stage 9's I had once. Took me awhile to figure out. My axle was so rusted that side to side movement of my wheels sitting on it, was really chalky. The friction was causing my bearing to pull out a bit, all the time. I just used some citrus cleaner on my axle to wipe away dirt/rust and swathed it lightly with bearing lube after, then it stopped happening.

If not, maybe you lubed the bearing up too much after you cleaned them? To the point where the ring keeps slipping out of its bearing seat. This happened to me on some sml wheels I had once (the ones with the black plastic core).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on February 09, 2016, 12:54:33 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on February 08, 2016, 09:50:31 AM
Spent yesterday skating the Ace 44's and I must be missing something. 

I loosened them up about 1/2 turn from stock and replaced the harder Ace pivot cups with Khiro soft but the trucks did not feel how everyone always describes them.

I expected an almost cartoonish, deep, surfy turn and what ended up happening was tic tacking around trying to carve in bowls.

I had to loosen them up 2 turns past having the nut flush just to get any sort of decent turning radius.

You can't expect trucks to be perfect on the first day but this was the opposite of everything I thought they would be.  I got a deeper turn out of Venture's.

When did you last have new trucks? I could barely roll on a board with thunders after riding aces for a few months, give it a few days.. The stock bushings are great when they're broken in so leave them in there.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 09, 2016, 06:11:36 AM
Quote from: Deekay on February 09, 2016, 12:54:33 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on February 08, 2016, 09:50:31 AM
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Spent yesterday skating the Ace 44's and I must be missing something. 

I loosened them up about 1/2 turn from stock and replaced the harder Ace pivot cups with Khiro soft but the trucks did not feel how everyone always describes them.

I expected an almost cartoonish, deep, surfy turn and what ended up happening was tic tacking around trying to carve in bowls.

I had to loosen them up 2 turns past having the nut flush just to get any sort of decent turning radius.

You can't expect trucks to be perfect on the first day but this was the opposite of everything I thought they would be.  I got a deeper turn out of Venture's.
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When did you last have new trucks? I could barely roll on a board with thunders after riding aces for a few months, give it a few days.. The stock bushings are great when they're broken in so leave them in there.

WAY too often  :D

Spent an hour last night just cruising on the Ace's with the KP nut only hand tight and it was OK.  got home and tightened them a half turn and I could barely turn again.  Took the ace bushings out (they are indeed hard as all hell) and put some Krux bushings in and the trucks performed wonderfully.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on February 09, 2016, 06:23:57 AM
Your endorsement makes me want to try them, I know your an all washers kinda guy but the stock bushings might feel better without the bottom ones, then again I think all trucks feel better without them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 09, 2016, 06:27:21 AM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on February 09, 2016, 06:23:57 AM
Your endorsement makes me want to try them, I know your an all washers kinda guy but the stock bushings might feel better without the bottom ones, then again I think all trucks feel better without them

They will likely be in the classifieds section for a really good deal tonight haha

People love them so I thought I'd give them a shot but they just aren't working out for me.  The plus side is that the quality of the trucks is superb
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on February 09, 2016, 12:55:36 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on February 09, 2016, 06:27:21 AM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on February 09, 2016, 06:23:57 AM
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Your endorsement makes me want to try them, I know your an all washers kinda guy but the stock bushings might feel better without the bottom ones, then again I think all trucks feel better without them
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They will likely be in the classifieds section for a really good deal tonight haha

People love them so I thought I'd give them a shot but they just aren't working out for me.  The plus side is that the quality of the trucks is superb
How much?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 09, 2016, 01:24:01 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on February 09, 2016, 12:55:36 PM
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Your endorsement makes me want to try them, I know your an all washers kinda guy but the stock bushings might feel better without the bottom ones, then again I think all trucks feel better without them
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They will likely be in the classifieds section for a really good deal tonight haha

People love them so I thought I'd give them a shot but they just aren't working out for me.  The plus side is that the quality of the trucks is superb
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How much?

I was talked into hanging on to them for a bit longer.  I'm going to put 3-4 more sessions on them.  if they still aren't working for me, I'll post them up
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 09, 2016, 06:36:12 PM
Oh man finally other people that obsess over their gear like me haha.

I've been thinking way too much about trucks lately and I would value some others' opinions. Do you guys think Thunder's are out of the question if you're on the heavier side and like loose trucks? Thought about buying some polished hi's and throwing some aftermarket bushings in 'em but I always ride 54mm wheels and I'm worried I may get killer wheelbite. I know I could go down to maybe a 52mm wheel but I feel like that will be too small for my liking and slow me down. I really don't want to use risers either.

I've read a lot about Ace's but I don't think I'll ever try them until they make an 8.5 axle. So, I've been thinking either Thunder or Krux? Indy's turn too slow for me no matter what bushings I've tried.


edit: I forgot to ask...will standard size cylinder or conical bushings fit in Thunder Hi's? Their "Hi" is pretty much a low truck so I'm not sure if it would require a "low" bushing. Thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 09, 2016, 08:43:45 PM
Quote from: Main on February 09, 2016, 06:36:12 PM
Oh man finally other people that obsess over their gear like me haha.

I've been thinking way too much about trucks lately and I would value some others' opinions. Do you guys think Thunder's are out of the question if you're on the heavier side and like loose trucks? Thought about buying some polished hi's and throwing some aftermarket bushings in 'em but I always ride 54mm wheels and I'm worried I may get killer wheelbite. I know I could go down to maybe a 52mm wheel but I feel like that will be too small for my liking and slow me down. I really don't want to use risers either.

I've read a lot about Ace's but I don't think I'll ever try them until they make an 8.5 axle. So, I've been thinking either Thunder or Krux? Indy's are just too slow for me no matter what bushings I've tried.


edit: I forgot to ask...will standard size cylinder or conical bushings fit in Thunder Hi's? Their "Hi" is pretty much a low truck so I'm not sure if it would require a "low" bushing. Thanks!

Thunders are more prone to wheelbite than any other "hi" truck but if you get the cast team baseplate model and their aftermarket bushings (i would only recommend thunder bushings in thunder trucks) they will be fine.  Depending on how heavier you are, the 95a or 100a bushings in the thunder rebuild kit will work

However, if you want a great turn with no wheelbite, Krux are the way to go.  you can skate up to 56mm wheel without risers and not worry about wheelbite at all
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 09, 2016, 08:47:39 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on February 09, 2016, 08:43:45 PM
Quote from: Main on February 09, 2016, 06:36:12 PM
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Oh man finally other people that obsess over their gear like me haha.

I've been thinking way too much about trucks lately and I would value some others' opinions. Do you guys think Thunder's are out of the question if you're on the heavier side and like loose trucks? Thought about buying some polished hi's and throwing some aftermarket bushings in 'em but I always ride 54mm wheels and I'm worried I may get killer wheelbite. I know I could go down to maybe a 52mm wheel but I feel like that will be too small for my liking and slow me down. I really don't want to use risers either.

I've read a lot about Ace's but I don't think I'll ever try them until they make an 8.5 axle. So, I've been thinking either Thunder or Krux? Indy's are just too slow for me no matter what bushings I've tried.


edit: I forgot to ask...will standard size cylinder or conical bushings fit in Thunder Hi's? Their "Hi" is pretty much a low truck so I'm not sure if it would require a "low" bushing. Thanks!
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Thunders are more prone to wheelbite than any other "hi" truck but if you get the cast team baseplate model and their aftermarket bushings (i would only recommend thunder bushings in thunder trucks) they will be fine.  Depending on how heavier you are, the 95a or 100a bushings in the thunder rebuild kit will work

However, if you want a great turn with no wheelbite, Krux are the way to go.  you can skate up to 56mm wheel without risers and not worry about wheelbite at all

Thanks for the feedback. The Thunder standard team hi's were the ones I was looking at, yeah. I've never messed with hollows or forged baseplates. Why do you only recommend Thunder aftermarket bushings? I thought of maybe putting those Krux aftermarket bushings in them and since they're cylinders they seemed like a good solution, no?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 09, 2016, 09:01:13 PM
Quote from: Main on February 09, 2016, 06:36:12 PM
Oh man finally other people that obsess over their gear like me haha.

I've been thinking way too much about trucks lately and I would value some others' opinions. Do you guys think Thunder's are out of the question if you're on the heavier side and like loose trucks? Thought about buying some polished hi's and throwing some aftermarket bushings in 'em but I always ride 54mm wheels and I'm worried I may get killer wheelbite. I know I could go down to maybe a 52mm wheel but I feel like that will be too small for my liking and slow me down. I really don't want to use risers either.

I've read a lot about Ace's but I don't think I'll ever try them until they make an 8.5 axle. So, I've been thinking either Thunder or Krux? Indy's turn too slow for me no matter what bushings I've tried.


edit: I forgot to ask...will standard size cylinder or conical bushings fit in Thunder Hi's? Their "Hi" is pretty much a low truck so I'm not sure if it would require a "low" bushing. Thanks!

I'm 190-200 pounds and usually use thunders 149s/ 151s with an 1/8th riser. i ride them loose with stock (broken-in-to-shit) bushings with 56mm wheels and get wheel rub but rarely enough to fuck me up. a lot of it has to do with how your truck lines up with the deck's concave also. thats why i ride trucks slightly wider than my boards as this pushes the wheels further out to where the concave bends steeper. make sense?  maybe i'm full of it... (indy bushings are fine in thunders.)

as for ace. the sizes are indeed frustrating. but 44s are a good substitute for 149s. they come with really thick washers that you can use to push your wheels out a bit.  i hope they make a size between 44s and 55s one day.

krux are also really good and super light.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 09, 2016, 09:18:32 PM
Quote from: N.L. on February 09, 2016, 09:01:13 PM
Quote from: Main on February 09, 2016, 06:36:12 PM
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Oh man finally other people that obsess over their gear like me haha.

I've been thinking way too much about trucks lately and I would value some others' opinions. Do you guys think Thunder's are out of the question if you're on the heavier side and like loose trucks? Thought about buying some polished hi's and throwing some aftermarket bushings in 'em but I always ride 54mm wheels and I'm worried I may get killer wheelbite. I know I could go down to maybe a 52mm wheel but I feel like that will be too small for my liking and slow me down. I really don't want to use risers either.

I've read a lot about Ace's but I don't think I'll ever try them until they make an 8.5 axle. So, I've been thinking either Thunder or Krux? Indy's turn too slow for me no matter what bushings I've tried.


edit: I forgot to ask...will standard size cylinder or conical bushings fit in Thunder Hi's? Their "Hi" is pretty much a low truck so I'm not sure if it would require a "low" bushing. Thanks!
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I'm 190-200 pounds and usually use thunders 149s/ 151s with an 1/8th riser. i ride them loose with stock (broken-in-to-shit) bushings with 56mm wheels and get wheel rub but rarely enough to fuck me up. a lot of it has to do with how your truck lines up with the deck's concave also. thats why i ride trucks slightly wider than my boards as this pushes the wheels further out to where the concave bends steeper. make sense?  maybe i'm full of it... (indy bushings are fine in thunders.)

as for ace. the sizes are indeed frustrating. but 44s are a good substitute for 149s. they come with really thick washers that you can use to push your wheels out a bit.  i hope they make a size between 44s and 55s one day.

krux are also really good and super light.

Thanks for your feedback, as well. I'm usually at 200lbs, but during winter I usually gain ten pounds or so. I'm probably at 210lbs right now. Reading your experience with Thunder gives me hope I can ride them. I'd most likely be going 149s with an 8.5. Trucks any wider than my board would be weird for me. I could live with trucks slightly narrower than my deck, though. It seems Ace and Krux offering that 8.25 axle actually filled that void for a lot of people. All truck companies should offer that size in my opinion.

Part of me wants to slim down my board a bit, go down to an 8.25 and see how much it lightens up the load along with some narrower trucks and smaller wheels, but I haven't decided. I've been riding 8.5 for years.

I also still can't get over that hole Krux has. I know it also opens bottles which is cool, but I don't know...they just seem kinda odd. Thunders have a nice sleek design without any bs. I think the Krux bushings in them could make for a really good performing truck. Thunder stocks and aftermarkets appear to all be conical, so a medium durometer cylinder like the Krux bushings should reduce the wheel bite and still allow them to turn well. That's my theory anyway.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 09, 2016, 09:25:09 PM
Quote from: Main on February 09, 2016, 08:47:39 PM
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Oh man finally other people that obsess over their gear like me haha.

I've been thinking way too much about trucks lately and I would value some others' opinions. Do you guys think Thunder's are out of the question if you're on the heavier side and like loose trucks? Thought about buying some polished hi's and throwing some aftermarket bushings in 'em but I always ride 54mm wheels and I'm worried I may get killer wheelbite. I know I could go down to maybe a 52mm wheel but I feel like that will be too small for my liking and slow me down. I really don't want to use risers either.

I've read a lot about Ace's but I don't think I'll ever try them until they make an 8.5 axle. So, I've been thinking either Thunder or Krux? Indy's are just too slow for me no matter what bushings I've tried.


edit: I forgot to ask...will standard size cylinder or conical bushings fit in Thunder Hi's? Their "Hi" is pretty much a low truck so I'm not sure if it would require a "low" bushing. Thanks!
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Thunders are more prone to wheelbite than any other "hi" truck but if you get the cast team baseplate model and their aftermarket bushings (i would only recommend thunder bushings in thunder trucks) they will be fine.  Depending on how heavier you are, the 95a or 100a bushings in the thunder rebuild kit will work

However, if you want a great turn with no wheelbite, Krux are the way to go.  you can skate up to 56mm wheel without risers and not worry about wheelbite at all
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Thanks for the feedback. The Thunder standard team hi's were the ones I was looking at, yeah. I've never messed with hollows or forged baseplates. Why do you only recommend Thunder aftermarket bushings? I thought of maybe putting those Krux aftermarket bushings in them and since they're cylinders they seemed like a good solution, no?

THe thunder bushings and yoke are unique and only truly fit thunder bushings.  Krux or other barrel bottom bushings will not work.  the aftermarket thunders are great.  if you're 200lbs, id recommend the 100a blacks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 09, 2016, 09:43:27 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on February 09, 2016, 09:25:09 PM
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Oh man finally other people that obsess over their gear like me haha.

I've been thinking way too much about trucks lately and I would value some others' opinions. Do you guys think Thunder's are out of the question if you're on the heavier side and like loose trucks? Thought about buying some polished hi's and throwing some aftermarket bushings in 'em but I always ride 54mm wheels and I'm worried I may get killer wheelbite. I know I could go down to maybe a 52mm wheel but I feel like that will be too small for my liking and slow me down. I really don't want to use risers either.

I've read a lot about Ace's but I don't think I'll ever try them until they make an 8.5 axle. So, I've been thinking either Thunder or Krux? Indy's are just too slow for me no matter what bushings I've tried.


edit: I forgot to ask...will standard size cylinder or conical bushings fit in Thunder Hi's? Their "Hi" is pretty much a low truck so I'm not sure if it would require a "low" bushing. Thanks!
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Thunders are more prone to wheelbite than any other "hi" truck but if you get the cast team baseplate model and their aftermarket bushings (i would only recommend thunder bushings in thunder trucks) they will be fine.  Depending on how heavier you are, the 95a or 100a bushings in the thunder rebuild kit will work

However, if you want a great turn with no wheelbite, Krux are the way to go.  you can skate up to 56mm wheel without risers and not worry about wheelbite at all
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Thanks for the feedback. The Thunder standard team hi's were the ones I was looking at, yeah. I've never messed with hollows or forged baseplates. Why do you only recommend Thunder aftermarket bushings? I thought of maybe putting those Krux aftermarket bushings in them and since they're cylinders they seemed like a good solution, no?
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THe thunder bushings and yoke are unique and only truly fit thunder bushings.  Krux or other barrel bottom bushings will not work.  the aftermarket thunders are great.  if you're 200lbs, id recommend the 100a blacks

Hmm...well both of you are saying two different things. If it's true that only Thunder aftermarkets will work, I think 100a would be waaaay too hard. I've tried Bones hards in Indy's before and they didn't turn at all even with the kingpin nut almost falling off. And those were 96a durometer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 09, 2016, 10:52:06 PM
Indy concical fit thunders like a champ, they are the exact same size. The 88a red atermarket indys get thunders carvey.

Krux bushing fit ACE perfectly (same height at ACE) and are amazing in them.

That said, I rode some 8.25" K4s this past weekend and had a blast. Light and turny!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 09, 2016, 10:56:56 PM
When someone gets a chance....can they break down truck performance to a few basic terms.....I know it's a bit subjective but 'turn great!' Can mean a ton of shit.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 09, 2016, 11:10:56 PM
Quote from: Xen on February 09, 2016, 10:52:06 PM
Indy concical fit thunders like a champ, they are the exact same size. The 88a red atermarket indys get thunders carvey.

Krux bushing fit ACE perfectly (same height at ACE) and are amazing in them.

That said, I rode some 8.25" K4s this past weekend and had a blast. Light and turny!

Thanks for the info dude! Since I'm heavier, I think 88a conicals would definitely result in some pretty bad wheelbite for me, especially when Thunder Hi's are only around 52.3mm tall. Kinda bummed that the Krux bushings won't fit Thunder's, too. Looks like I'm pretty much stuck with buying Krux trucks at this point, which isn't necessarily a bad thing I just kinda wanted Thunders more.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 10, 2016, 04:14:34 AM
Quote from: Main on February 09, 2016, 11:10:56 PM
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Indy concical fit thunders like a champ, they are the exact same size. The 88a red atermarket indys get thunders carvey.

Krux bushing fit ACE perfectly (same height at ACE) and are amazing in them.

That said, I rode some 8.25" K4s this past weekend and had a blast. Light and turny!
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Thanks for the info dude! Since I'm heavier, I think 88a conicals would definitely result in some pretty bad wheelbite for me, especially when Thunder Hi's are only around 52.3mm tall. Kinda bummed that the Krux bushings won't fit Thunder's, too. Looks like I'm pretty much stuck with buying Krux trucks at this point, which isn't necessarily a bad thing I just kinda wanted Thunders more.

again, if you want thunders and are concerned about wheelbite, get the black thuner 100a bushings.  zero percent chance you will get wheelbite with those.  I've literally tried every aftermarket bushing thunder makes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on February 10, 2016, 08:01:28 AM
I would just avoid thunders altogether if you're worried about wheel bite. Get the krux.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 10, 2016, 09:11:15 AM
The problem with those 100a Thunder bushings is I know they aren't going to allow me to turn for shit. If I were to get Thunder aftermarkets I'd probably go for those white 90a ones. They'd be better than the stock ones but I'd probably still get a lot of bite since they're softer. I hate how the 92a-94a ones are funky colors with Thunder and Indy. Just make 'em white yo! Anyway, thanks a lot for all your feedback. Krux it is...

I'm still debating on slimming my board down from an 8.5 to an 8.25. I'm 5'10" with a 10.5 shoe. Hoping that quarter inch difference won't make me lose stability, as I've been used to 8.5's for as long as I can remember. I suck at flip tricks, just a lot of transition, slappies, and manuals.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 10, 2016, 09:26:51 AM
Quote from: Main on February 10, 2016, 09:11:15 AM
The problem with those 100a Thunder bushings is I know they aren't going to allow me to turn for shit. If I were to get Thunder aftermarkets I'd probably go for those white 90a ones. They'd be better than the stock ones but I'd probably still get a lot of bite since they're softer. I hate how the 92a-94a ones are funky colors with Thunder and Indy. Just make 'em white yo! Anyway, thanks a lot for all your feedback. Krux it is...

I'm still debating on slimming my board down from an 8.5 to an 8.25. I'm 5'10" with a 10.5 shoe. Hoping that quarter inch difference won't make me lose stability, as I've been used to 8.5's for as long as I can remember. I suck at flip tricks, just a lot of transition, slappies, and manuals.

Cool man.  I can't imagine Krux wouldn't work out for you.  I haven't heard of anyone getting the Krux K4's and disliking them.  I had a couple pairs before, sold them and recently bought another pair because after skating Indy and Thunder this past year I really missed the Krux.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 10, 2016, 10:58:28 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on February 10, 2016, 09:26:51 AM
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The problem with those 100a Thunder bushings is I know they aren't going to allow me to turn for shit. If I were to get Thunder aftermarkets I'd probably go for those white 90a ones. They'd be better than the stock ones but I'd probably still get a lot of bite since they're softer. I hate how the 92a-94a ones are funky colors with Thunder and Indy. Just make 'em white yo! Anyway, thanks a lot for all your feedback. Krux it is...

I'm still debating on slimming my board down from an 8.5 to an 8.25. I'm 5'10" with a 10.5 shoe. Hoping that quarter inch difference won't make me lose stability, as I've been used to 8.5's for as long as I can remember. I suck at flip tricks, just a lot of transition, slappies, and manuals.
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Cool man.  I can't imagine Krux wouldn't work out for you.  I haven't heard of anyone getting the Krux K4's and disliking them.  I had a couple pairs before, sold them and recently bought another pair because after skating Indy and Thunder this past year I really missed the Krux.



Right on man, glad you found a truck that works for you. I think they're the most important component of a set up. You could have shitty wheels and bearings, an old board with razor tail, but as long as you have some good trucks that turn...life is good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on February 10, 2016, 11:03:15 AM
Thanks for testing every stuff for us, Steve !
i'm an indy user for years, but i'll try these 8.25 krux if i have the opportunity
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 10, 2016, 11:14:54 AM
Quote from: the snake on February 10, 2016, 11:03:15 AM
Thanks for testing every stuff for us, Steve !
i'm an indy user for years, but i'll try these 8.25 krux if i have the opportunity


No prob!  I'm glad some people around Slap can find this stuff beneficial.  None of it applies for everyone but I'm always hoping that someone could learn from my testing and try something new or save their money.

Definitely pick up some Krux if you ever have a chance.  They can be had for under $30 on tactics.com which is insane considering how great they are

I'll have some updates regarding my Ace testing coming this weekend.  Different kingpin, bushings, etc :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 11, 2016, 12:30:52 PM
If NHS ever make an 8.25 Hollow forged Downlow, I'll be a lifer...lo and light like Thunders, turny like ACE & Indy...or just an 8.25 forged ti indy ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 11, 2016, 01:03:58 PM
I noticed that Bones are now including separate metal top washers with all their bushings now. Too lazy to post a pic but if you look it up you'll see.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 11, 2016, 01:19:57 PM
you could in theory run them correctly now (not as pictured) -


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/bones_zpsxm071xr9.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/bones_zpsxm071xr9.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on February 11, 2016, 01:44:00 PM
Trying to make moves, after people realized the plastic shit was a gimmick, aftermarket Indies and Thunders are far superior.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 11, 2016, 01:55:56 PM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on February 11, 2016, 01:44:00 PM
Trying to make moves, after people realized the plastic shit was a gimmick, aftermarket Indies and Thunders are far superior.

Amen to that.

Funny enough, Shorty's had been working on developing this for the last year https://www.instagram.com/p/6Q7IhNnyln/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/6Q7IhNnyln/)  

Even calling Bones out - https://www.instagram.com/p/t3pH25HyqY/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/t3pH25HyqY/)

The Shorty's version didn't contain any plastic though, just the carbon steel washer on the top
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on February 11, 2016, 04:35:19 PM
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I think you're right. I tried putting something with a right angle against it and it lined up correctly. This is really bizarre. I have no idea why but the outer bearing on my wheel keeps slowly coming out on that one axle only.
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Is your axle rusted? Doesn't look too bad, but still consider it. This happened on an old pair of stage 9's I had once. Took me awhile to figure out. My axle was so rusted that side to side movement of my wheels sitting on it, was really chalky. The friction was causing my bearing to pull out a bit, all the time. I just used some citrus cleaner on my axle to wipe away dirt/rust and swathed it lightly with bearing lube after, then it stopped happening.

If not, maybe you lubed the bearing up too much after you cleaned them? To the point where the ring keeps slipping out of its bearing seat. This happened to me on some sml wheels I had once (the ones with the black plastic core).

Thanks for this tip. I tried what you said and have skated a couple times since then and no problems so far. I've always wiped my axles with a paper towel but never properly cleaned and oiled them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 11, 2016, 05:52:37 PM
So just for shits I was looking at info on Thunders today and found a chart that shows the differences in height.

8.0 "Polished Hi's"- 49.78
8.5 & 8.75 "Polished Hi's"- 52.3  <----these are not even the height of a mid...

Why the fuck does Thunder make two different heights for a regular cast base plate high? No matter what size axle you're buying in an Indy, the height for the standard highs always stays the same, as it should. Also, the difference between a standard "hi" and "lo" Thunder is 1.48mm. Why would they even make a low at that point?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 11, 2016, 08:52:09 PM
Quote from: Main on February 11, 2016, 05:52:37 PM
So just for shits I was looking at info on Thunders today and found a chart that shows the differences in height.

8.0 "Polished Hi's"- 49.78
8.5 & 8.75 "Polished Hi's"- 52.3  <----these are not even the height of a mid...

Why the fuck does Thunder make two different heights for a regular cast base plate high? No matter what size axle you're buying in an Indy, the height for the standard highs always stays the same, as it should. Also, the difference between a standard "hi" and "lo" Thunder is 1.48mm. Why would they even make a low at that point?


The 149 and 151 (8.5 and 8.75) we redesigned after the 147 (8.0) was.  they increased the height for those two models and have no immediate plans to redesign the 147 any time soon
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 11, 2016, 09:23:45 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on February 11, 2016, 08:52:09 PM
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So just for shits I was looking at info on Thunders today and found a chart that shows the differences in height.

8.0 "Polished Hi's"- 49.78
8.5 & 8.75 "Polished Hi's"- 52.3  <----these are not even the height of a mid...

Why the fuck does Thunder make two different heights for a regular cast base plate high? No matter what size axle you're buying in an Indy, the height for the standard highs always stays the same, as it should. Also, the difference between a standard "hi" and "lo" Thunder is 1.48mm. Why would they even make a low at that point?

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The 149 and 151 (8.5 and 8.75) we redesigned after the 147 (8.0) was.  they increased the height for those two models and have no immediate plans to redesign the 147 any time soon

It makes sense that they increased the height of the 149 and 151's but it should be at 53.5 at least, not 52.3.

Then at the same time it doesn't make sense to me that they decrease the height the smaller the width of the trucks get while they keep calling it a high. Or just the fact that they call their highs "hi" in general, as they're all essentially low.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on February 12, 2016, 08:08:01 AM
Could anyone explain to me the difference better bones bushings and Indy bushings? Any pros/cons? Trying to decide between bones hard or Indy hards.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on February 12, 2016, 08:15:36 AM
Quote from: Big Baby Jesus on February 12, 2016, 08:08:01 AM
Could anyone explain to me the difference better bones bushings and Indy bushings? Any pros/cons? Trying to decide between bones hard or Indy hards.
Assuming you have Indy trucks, Indy's last wayyyy longer, turn much better, fit properly, better in every way basically.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on February 12, 2016, 08:44:29 AM
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Could anyone explain to me the difference better bones bushings and Indy bushings? Any pros/cons? Trying to decide between bones hard or Indy hards.
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Assuming you have Indy trucks, Indy's last wayyyy longer, turn much better, fit properly, better in every way basically.

I have Indy 149 hollows. Thanks for the info. Sold me on going with the indys. I'll save the bones for another time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 12, 2016, 08:45:52 AM
100% urethane bushings just feel better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on February 12, 2016, 09:02:51 AM
Quote from: N.L. on February 12, 2016, 08:45:52 AM
100% urethane bushings just feel better.
This too
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on February 12, 2016, 09:20:07 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on February 11, 2016, 04:35:19 PM
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I think you're right. I tried putting something with a right angle against it and it lined up correctly. This is really bizarre. I have no idea why but the outer bearing on my wheel keeps slowly coming out on that one axle only.
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Is your axle rusted? Doesn't look too bad, but still consider it. This happened on an old pair of stage 9's I had once. Took me awhile to figure out. My axle was so rusted that side to side movement of my wheels sitting on it, was really chalky. The friction was causing my bearing to pull out a bit, all the time. I just used some citrus cleaner on my axle to wipe away dirt/rust and swathed it lightly with bearing lube after, then it stopped happening.

If not, maybe you lubed the bearing up too much after you cleaned them? To the point where the ring keeps slipping out of its bearing seat. This happened to me on some sml wheels I had once (the ones with the black plastic core).
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Thanks for this tip. I tried what you said and have skated a couple times since then and no problems so far. I've always wiped my axles with a paper towel but never properly cleaned and oiled them.

Hell yeah, glad it worked for ya. Citrus solvent is the best for cleaning trucks/bearings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 12, 2016, 01:03:16 PM
Just dug through my box of spare skate shit and found some old krux bushings. so old they look more black than white. anyway, threw them in my 44s and yes, good shit. i think with the key with aces is that you can get away with riding harder bushing that what you might usually run and still get a great turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 12, 2016, 01:06:18 PM
Quote from: N.L. on February 12, 2016, 01:03:16 PM
Just dug through my box of spare skate shit and found some old krux bushings. so old they look more black than white. anyway, threw them in my 44s and yes, good shit. i think with the key with aces is that you can get away with riding harder bushing that what you might usually run and still get a great turn.

Totally agree.  I'm putting a Krux downlow kingpin and Krux bushings on my aces tomorrow. 

I've been skating my Krux K4's this week and I find them to be absolutely perfect but I'm stoked to try this combo on some Ace's as well
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 12, 2016, 01:59:56 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on February 12, 2016, 01:06:18 PM
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Just dug through my box of spare skate shit and found some old krux bushings. so old they look more black than white. anyway, threw them in my 44s and yes, good shit. i think with the key with aces is that you can get away with riding harder bushing that what you might usually run and still get a great turn.
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Totally agree.  I'm putting a Krux downlow kingpin and Krux bushings on my aces tomorrow. 

I've been skating my Krux K4's this week and I find them to be absolutely perfect but I'm stoked to try this combo on some Ace's as well

nice. let us know how it goes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 12, 2016, 11:44:06 PM
Quote from: N.L. on February 12, 2016, 01:59:56 PM
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Just dug through my box of spare skate shit and found some old krux bushings. so old they look more black than white. anyway, threw them in my 44s and yes, good shit. i think with the key with aces is that you can get away with riding harder bushing that what you might usually run and still get a great turn.
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Totally agree.  I'm putting a Krux downlow kingpin and Krux bushings on my aces tomorrow. 

I've been skating my Krux K4's this week and I find them to be absolutely perfect but I'm stoked to try this combo on some Ace's as well
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nice. let us know how it goes.

It works like a champ:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-74Mz9oPrnec/VfjHkt89KGI/AAAAAAAAbq8/jgVVIOnJw98/s800-Ic42/IMAG0085.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 13, 2016, 12:20:46 AM
That's some mighty fine kingpin clearance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 13, 2016, 01:36:07 PM
Quote from: Xen on February 12, 2016, 11:44:06 PM
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Just dug through my box of spare skate shit and found some old krux bushings. so old they look more black than white. anyway, threw them in my 44s and yes, good shit. i think with the key with aces is that you can get away with riding harder bushing that what you might usually run and still get a great turn.
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Totally agree.  I'm putting a Krux downlow kingpin and Krux bushings on my aces tomorrow. 

I've been skating my Krux K4's this week and I find them to be absolutely perfect but I'm stoked to try this combo on some Ace's as well
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nice. let us know how it goes.
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It works like a champ:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-74Mz9oPrnec/VfjHkt89KGI/AAAAAAAAbq8/jgVVIOnJw98/s800-Ic42/IMAG0085.jpg)

Did you have to use anything to hold the kingpin in place?

Sidenote, finally had a quick session in a bowl and a pool this morning. holy shit the way they handle roundwall totally negates everything else. i might be a convert...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 13, 2016, 01:51:01 PM
Quote from: N.L. on February 13, 2016, 01:36:07 PM
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Just dug through my box of spare skate shit and found some old krux bushings. so old they look more black than white. anyway, threw them in my 44s and yes, good shit. i think with the key with aces is that you can get away with riding harder bushing that what you might usually run and still get a great turn.
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Totally agree.  I'm putting a Krux downlow kingpin and Krux bushings on my aces tomorrow. 

I've been skating my Krux K4's this week and I find them to be absolutely perfect but I'm stoked to try this combo on some Ace's as well
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nice. let us know how it goes.
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It works like a champ:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-74Mz9oPrnec/VfjHkt89KGI/AAAAAAAAbq8/jgVVIOnJw98/s800-Ic42/IMAG0085.jpg)
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Did you have to use anything to hold the kingpin in place?

Sidenote, finally had a quick session in a bowl and a pool this morning. holy shit the way they handle roundwall totally negates everything else. i might be a convert...

Nope. I ride stock/loose on most trucks, with this setup I just held the nut in place with my thumb until it caught then tightened as much as I could. Main issue is that you can't tighten or losen really once mounted unless you wedge or glue the nut (small price to pay honestly), also, there is only so much tightening room as the pin will eventually touch the deck if you crank your shit down.

Yeah, ACEs are pretty much untouchable in tight corners if you like fast carve, Indys can but it's just a diferent feel, it's like riding thunder or indys on street, indy you have to plan your lean, thunders you can sort of twitch it; ACEs allow you to twitch carve and save your ass ;) Krux come really close compared to Indy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 13, 2016, 02:00:27 PM
rad. might have to try it at some point... now to order some copper 55s with the redesign if i can find them...

the other thing about aces, you can get a super responsive turn without that sketchy speed wobble feel you might have on other trucks, when you're trying to achieve the same turning sensation...

i don't know... made in china,bending axles, blown out pivots cups, none of happened on mine but even if they did that turning sensation in bowls/pools would still make it worth it... even in the street they feel great, stable when you want them to be, responsive when you need them to be. i'm eating humble pie right now, after being a naysayer for so long... ::)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 13, 2016, 08:15:49 PM
Thanks to Xen for the inspiration on this

I finally got around to the kingpin mod today.  the stock ones came out with just few wacks, the downlow KP, krux bushings and khiro pivot cups all fit perfectly

The clearance is amazing as you can see.  almost no chance of ever hanging up.  Looking forward to skating them tomorrow!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160213_183719_zpssbzbgems.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160213_183719_zpssbzbgems.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160213_183744_zpsm2yyuobj.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160213_183744_zpsm2yyuobj.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160213_183728_zpssmy2rgfn.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160213_183728_zpssmy2rgfn.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: essal on February 13, 2016, 08:28:48 PM
I've been riding my Thunder 149 Hollow Hi (?) for a year with cracked bushings, and if I could just get a new set of wheels on them I'd keep riding them for longer. Never been into the details of my trucks, so this thread is an interesting read.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 13, 2016, 10:29:14 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on February 13, 2016, 08:15:49 PM
Thanks to Xen for the inspiration on this

I finally got around to the kingpin mod today.  the stock ones came out with just few wacks, the downlow KP, krux bushings and khiro pivot cups all fit perfectly

The clearance is amazing as you can see.  almost no chance of ever hanging up.  Looking forward to skating them tomorrow!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160213_183719_zpssbzbgems.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160213_183719_zpssbzbgems.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160213_183744_zpsm2yyuobj.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160213_183744_zpsm2yyuobj.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160213_183728_zpssmy2rgfn.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160213_183728_zpssmy2rgfn.jpg.html)

What, no mag plates? ;)

Nut looks like a nice tight fit, any movement?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 14, 2016, 06:16:07 AM
Quote from: Xen on February 13, 2016, 10:29:14 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on February 13, 2016, 08:15:49 PM
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Thanks to Xen for the inspiration on this

I finally got around to the kingpin mod today.  the stock ones came out with just few wacks, the downlow KP, krux bushings and khiro pivot cups all fit perfectly

The clearance is amazing as you can see.  almost no chance of ever hanging up.  Looking forward to skating them tomorrow!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160213_183719_zpssbzbgems.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160213_183719_zpssbzbgems.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160213_183744_zpsm2yyuobj.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160213_183744_zpsm2yyuobj.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160213_183728_zpssmy2rgfn.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160213_183728_zpssmy2rgfn.jpg.html)
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What, no mag plates? ;)

Nut looks like a nice tight fit, any movement?

haha yeah I didnt want to shell out on the mag baseplates in case they dont work out for me.  The kingpin is really snug with almost no movement at all.  oddly enough it has a tighter fit in the Ace baseplates than the Krux
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 14, 2016, 08:56:58 AM
So I think I'm gonna go all out and buy one set of Krux and one set of Thunder Hi's just to test out which ones I like better. I'm thinking of throwing Bones hards in the Thunders because my local shops don't carry Thunder aftermarket bushings. Do Bones bushings work fine in Thunders? If so, should I not use the bottom washer but keep the top one on?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on February 14, 2016, 10:30:06 AM
Does anybody know what the best speed washers are to use?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Coconut Lotion on February 14, 2016, 10:42:09 AM
Quote from: Main on February 14, 2016, 08:56:58 AM
So I think I'm gonna go all out and buy one set of Krux and one set of Thunder Hi's just to test out which ones I like better. I'm thinking of throwing Bones hards in the Thunders because my local shops don't carry Thunder aftermarket bushings. Do Bones bushings work fine in Thunders? If so, should I not use the bottom washer but keep the top one on?

they work fine but dont fit quite right. not flush. use aftermarket thunder/indy bushings instead, bones are overpriced pieces of shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 14, 2016, 11:25:11 AM
Quote from: Coconut Lotion on February 14, 2016, 10:42:09 AM
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So I think I'm gonna go all out and buy one set of Krux and one set of Thunder Hi's just to test out which ones I like better. I'm thinking of throwing Bones hards in the Thunders because my local shops don't carry Thunder aftermarket bushings. Do Bones bushings work fine in Thunders? If so, should I not use the bottom washer but keep the top one on?
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they work fine but dont fit quite right. not flush. use aftermarket thunder/indy bushings instead, bones are overpriced pieces of shit

Haha for sure thanks man.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Coconut Lotion on February 14, 2016, 11:30:55 AM
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So I think I'm gonna go all out and buy one set of Krux and one set of Thunder Hi's just to test out which ones I like better. I'm thinking of throwing Bones hards in the Thunders because my local shops don't carry Thunder aftermarket bushings. Do Bones bushings work fine in Thunders? If so, should I not use the bottom washer but keep the top one on?
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they work fine but dont fit quite right. not flush. use aftermarket thunder/indy bushings instead, bones are overpriced pieces of shit
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Haha for sure thanks man.

i skimmed over the part where you wrote that your local doesnt carry em. can you not get your shop to order some in at your request? if not can you not just get some online? i know people preach loyalty to the local but if they dont have something you want then whats the big deal about going elsewhere? especially when its for something small and specific like bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 14, 2016, 12:17:09 PM
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So I think I'm gonna go all out and buy one set of Krux and one set of Thunder Hi's just to test out which ones I like better. I'm thinking of throwing Bones hards in the Thunders because my local shops don't carry Thunder aftermarket bushings. Do Bones bushings work fine in Thunders? If so, should I not use the bottom washer but keep the top one on?
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they work fine but dont fit quite right. not flush. use aftermarket thunder/indy bushings instead, bones are overpriced pieces of shit
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Haha for sure thanks man.
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i skimmed over the part where you wrote that your local doesnt carry em. can you not get your shop to order some in at your request? if not can you not just get some online? i know people preach loyalty to the local but if they dont have something you want then whats the big deal about going elsewhere? especially when its for something small and specific like bushings

It's mainly me being impatient. My local shops have excellent selection and usually have what I need. Just some little things they don't keep a steady stock of. They could order that stuff but I never like going that route, cause if I'm gonna order something I want it direct to my door, not to the shop where I have to make an extra trip. I'm not opposed to ordering online, SoCal and Skate Warehouse rule.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 14, 2016, 10:46:41 PM
Quote from: VCR on February 14, 2016, 10:30:06 AM
Does anybody know what the best speed washers are to use?

I can't tell you if they're better or worse than any other brand but If I need to replace a bent or lost speed ring, i always replace them with Khiro's http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3956 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3956)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on February 14, 2016, 11:25:23 PM
does the smoother rounded side go against your bearing or against the truck?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 14, 2016, 11:46:39 PM
Quote from: tangar on February 14, 2016, 11:25:23 PM
does the smoother rounded side go against your bearing or against the truck?

The smoother side of a speed ring goes against your truck and the axle nut.  that little ridge actually locks into the bearing although I think it's a byproduct of when the rings are press-cut. 

Not all speed rings have it though and honestly i cant imagine it really makes a difference other than I've noticed when the ridged edge is against your truck it tens to cut into the hanger and stick to it when you do wheel swaps
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on February 15, 2016, 12:43:40 AM
i did notice it gets stuck to your hangar but wasnt sure that it would be better off stuck to my bearing, or if it even would. thanks, ill adjust accordingly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: smellsdead on February 15, 2016, 06:55:42 AM
typical setup 149 indys all stock, loosen a half turn. i do the quarter turn per week for a month with bushings, to even out the wear.
gotta have wheel jiggle, no spacers. usually 53-54 mm classic f4s with an 8.25-8.5
i used to run risers on all my boards, up to a quarter inch at times. never affected my pop nor tricks, still got wheelbite.
2015 was the first year in a long time i ran a board with no risers and it made no difference.
i love the weight of solid trucks. i do have hollow axle thunders but theyre 147s so thats a lil skinny for my taste, havent seen much action.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 15, 2016, 09:31:33 AM
BMCSteve, I noticed you posted on your Instagram the picture of your Ace's with the downlow kingpin in them, and Joey's response was "stay tuned". I wonder what Ace has in store?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on February 15, 2016, 10:53:26 AM
Setup a used 8.25 that my friend gave me with some Thunder 149's last night. The 8.25/149 combo is seriously the best combo I've ever ridden. For a while I would only skate 149's on 8.38 and up, but they feel so good on an 8.25. Also the thunder 149s with no bottom washer turns so well. Really loose, but still a decent amount of stability.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dengles on February 15, 2016, 12:05:03 PM
I always refused to skate anything but stock bushing up until a week ago, I threw some bones mediums into my 159s still keeping them just about finger tight.  I also removed the bottom washer.  So fucking good I was moron for holding out for all these years. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stanley Spadowski on February 15, 2016, 01:21:53 PM
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 15, 2016, 02:25:03 PM
Quote from: Stanley Spadowski on February 15, 2016, 01:21:53 PM
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Who is that a response to?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 15, 2016, 08:39:20 PM
Quote from: Main on February 15, 2016, 09:31:33 AM
BMCSteve, I noticed you posted on your Instagram the picture of your Ace's with the downlow kingpin in them, and Joey's response was "stay tuned". I wonder what Ace has in store?

I was wondering that as well.  Like I mentioned, they would just need to make the baseplate hole to match a kingpin bolt so you can tighten them on the board and you're all set
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 15, 2016, 11:13:20 PM
fwiw, thunder plates hold the nut in place like krux plates do.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Scott/Howard on February 16, 2016, 05:21:31 AM
Stock and looser than they come.
(http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah250/scotthoward213/9edabdcf-a274-4c70-94fe-ac0dd303accd_zpswjyr1z6h.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 16, 2016, 09:46:29 AM
Quote from: tangar on February 15, 2016, 12:43:40 AM
i did notice it gets stuck to your hangar but wasnt sure that it would be better off stuck to my bearing, or if it even would. thanks, ill adjust accordingly.

I wondered/hated that they got stuck, now I know why, never knew it!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on February 19, 2016, 11:07:13 PM
Do you guys have tips for the Krux kingpin conversion? I know there was something about this in a thread but I couldn't find it  :-\
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on February 19, 2016, 11:29:12 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on February 19, 2016, 11:07:13 PM
Do you guys have tips for the Krux kingpin conversion? I know there was something about this in a thread but I couldn't find it  :-\
it was like 12 or more pages back in the set up thread, the skinny of it was that most people hammered out the soild kingpin and it came out, but the hollow ones are hard as shit to get out, i even think steve tried to bake his base plate in an oven so it would come out easier, i'll edit in a link later.
edit: got'cha fam
http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on February 20, 2016, 12:38:20 AM
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Do you guys have tips for the Krux kingpin conversion? I know there was something about this in a thread but I couldn't find it  :-\
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it was like 12 or more pages back in the set up thread, the skinny of it was that most people hammered out the soild kingpin and it came out, but the hollow ones are hard as shit to get out, i even think steve tried to bake his base plate in an oven so it would come out easier, i'll edit in a link later.
edit: got'cha fam
http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530)
Thank you! I searched the truck set up and didn't find it haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on February 20, 2016, 12:42:20 AM
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Do you guys have tips for the Krux kingpin conversion? I know there was something about this in a thread but I couldn't find it  :-\
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it was like 12 or more pages back in the set up thread, the skinny of it was that most people hammered out the soild kingpin and it came out, but the hollow ones are hard as shit to get out, i even think steve tried to bake his base plate in an oven so it would come out easier, i'll edit in a link later.
edit: got'cha fam
http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530)
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Thank you! I searched the truck set up and didn't find it haha
no problem man.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 20, 2016, 06:36:47 AM
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Do you guys have tips for the Krux kingpin conversion? I know there was something about this in a thread but I couldn't find it  :-\
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it was like 12 or more pages back in the set up thread, the skinny of it was that most people hammered out the soild kingpin and it came out, but the hollow ones are hard as shit to get out, i even think steve tried to bake his base plate in an oven so it would come out easier, i'll edit in a link later.
edit: got'cha fam
http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530)
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Thank you! I searched the truck set up and didn't find it haha
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no problem man.

So I've now found a way to remove the kingpins from forged baseplates.  I've done it on two sets of my Indy's and I did a friends last night.

Remove the pivot cups, bake the baseplate at 500 degrees for 20 minutes, take it out and hit it with a 20lb dumbbell. It's insane but it works.

If you have regular cast baseplates it comes out with just a few wacks from a hammer

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160220_063247_zpso9o2c9a3.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160220_063247_zpso9o2c9a3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on February 20, 2016, 07:25:15 PM
I skated nothing but ventures for almost 20 years. 5 years ago I decided to switch it up and got some stage 10s. Since then I've spent hundreds of dollars riding trucks for a month then realizing I should just be riding Indys. It's insane. I thought krux were the end of it, but I feel a pressure in my brain, that if I don't buy some 159s tomorrow for this tranny set up, my head is going to burst. It's all I can think about. I should just get an Indy tattoo, then my neurosis wouldn't let me ride anything else. Skating with Steve doesn't help either.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on February 20, 2016, 07:51:51 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on February 20, 2016, 07:25:15 PM
I skated nothing but ventures for almost 20 years. 5 years ago I decided to switch it up and got some stage 10s. Since then I've spent hundreds of dollars riding trucks for a month then realizing I should just be riding Indys. It's insane. I thought krux were the end of it, but I feel a pressure in my brain, that if I don't buy some 159s tomorrow for this tranny set up, my head is going to burst. It's all I can think about. I should just get an Indy tattoo, then my neurosis wouldn't let me ride anything else. Skating with Steve doesn't help either.

I'm good with my koston indys but your set-up pics got me hyped on Krux.. Thought about trying them when i'll need new trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 20, 2016, 08:00:24 PM
I think worst case scenario w. Indys.....over rated.....worst case...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 20, 2016, 09:14:17 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on February 20, 2016, 07:25:15 PM
Skating with Steve doesn't help either.

Skating with me isn't helping anyone  :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 20, 2016, 10:33:19 PM
I got my Indy and thunder forged pins out without baking, did you guys wear aprons and use baking sheets and pot holders? ;)

Parking block (plate down, pin over the hole), hammer, foot holding down, block of wood over the nut... Trick is to screw the nut on so it's a hair below flush.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on February 20, 2016, 10:43:10 PM
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BMCSteve, I noticed you posted on your Instagram the picture of your Ace's with the downlow kingpin in them, and Joey's response was "stay tuned". I wonder what Ace has in store?
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I was wondering that as well.  Like I mentioned, they would just need to make the baseplate hole to match a kingpin bolt so you can tighten them on the board and you're all set
Probably going to lower the kingpin on them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 20, 2016, 11:16:36 PM
Quote from: Xen on February 20, 2016, 10:33:19 PM
I got my Indy and thunder forged pins out without baking, did you guys wear aprons and use baking sheets and pot holders? ;)

Parking block (plate down, pin over the hole), hammer, foot holding down, block of wood over the nut... Trick is to screw the nut on so it's a hair below flush.


True story  - I did use pot holders and I had them on the baking rack next to a pork tenderloin
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on February 21, 2016, 04:23:44 AM
Quote from: Sk.A.T.A.N on February 20, 2016, 07:51:51 PM
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I skated nothing but ventures for almost 20 years. 5 years ago I decided to switch it up and got some stage 10s. Since then I've spent hundreds of dollars riding trucks for a month then realizing I should just be riding Indys. It's insane. I thought krux were the end of it, but I feel a pressure in my brain, that if I don't buy some 159s tomorrow for this tranny set up, my head is going to burst. It's all I can think about. I should just get an Indy tattoo, then my neurosis wouldn't let me ride anything else. Skating with Steve doesn't help either.
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I'm good with my koston indys but your set-up pics got me hyped on Krux.. Thought about trying them when i'll need new trucks.
I love my Indy titanium 149s but bought into the krux hype with these fools. Only skated them once so far but they felt fine. Like lighter Indys without the break in time. I don't see me getting rid of either trucks since I have two setups and since the krux skated so well out the gate. Give em a shot, they are super cheap and I don't think you'll be disappointed.  
Edit: I ride my Indys with aftermarket orange bushings but don't think I'll need to make any adjustment on the krux as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 21, 2016, 07:49:27 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on February 20, 2016, 07:25:15 PM
I skated nothing but ventures for almost 20 years. 5 years ago I decided to switch it up and got some stage 10s. Since then I've spent hundreds of dollars riding trucks for a month then realizing I should just be riding Indys. It's insane. I thought krux were the end of it, but I feel a pressure in my brain, that if I don't buy some 159s tomorrow for this tranny set up, my head is going to burst. It's all I can think about. I should just get an Indy tattoo, then my neurosis wouldn't let me ride anything else. Skating with Steve doesn't help either.

Haha, I feel you man. I think maybe it just has to do with norms? I mean, when are you going to see some gnarly ass dude shredding tranny in Krux or Ventures? Unless it's Louie Barletta...he gets down on tranny pretty good with his Krux. But I think it's just one of those unspoken rules within the skate community that doing certain things makes certain set-ups acceptable. Tranny=Indy, Ace... Thunder may be acceptable.

Street=I guess pretty much any truck could be acceptable for street. So maybe it's just tranny laws haha. I know this is all really lame but I think it's true. Maybe there are legitimate reasons, Indy does handle really well in pools and transition. I think Thunder's would be kinda weird with the way they turn. At the end of the day it's about what you like, not some protocol of the elder's of hesh law. I haven't pulled the trigger on trying Krux or Thunder's again, still rocking Indy's. They are without a doubt damn good trucks. Just turn a little slow.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 21, 2016, 07:51:48 AM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on February 20, 2016, 10:43:10 PM
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BMCSteve, I noticed you posted on your Instagram the picture of your Ace's with the downlow kingpin in them, and Joey's response was "stay tuned". I wonder what Ace has in store?
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I was wondering that as well.  Like I mentioned, they would just need to make the baseplate hole to match a kingpin bolt so you can tighten them on the board and you're all set
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Probably going to lower the kingpin on them

I think you're right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 21, 2016, 11:44:18 AM
Rumor has it that Krux are based off Stage II Indys - having skated every stage and own XI and Krux, they feeling is soo similar, yet Krux, like ACE, are snappier with turns compared to Indy. My only issue with all three is they feel so high (I like Thunder height). Regular Krux are lighter than Indys and arguably turn just as well (their pivot cups are a little odd, they are really deep and deform oddly, like the turn is very side to side); cheaper too. Throw in the downlow pin and they are lighter than TI Indys.

I watched the Bondi event last night; everyone was riding indy except for McClain and maybe one or two others?

Tons of dudes ride Thunders that shred bowls, Cody lockwood, the Millers, Perelson.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on February 21, 2016, 12:29:16 PM
Picked up some 159 forged hollows for $42 out the door. I really krux, but I'm riding a 9.2" board and the 8.5" krux were too narrow for me on this thing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 21, 2016, 02:16:07 PM
Quote from: Xen on February 21, 2016, 11:44:18 AM
Rumor has it that Krux are based off Stage II Indys - having skated every stage and own XI and Krux, they feeling is soo similar, yet Krux, like ACE, are snappier with turns compared to Indy. My only issue with all three is they feel so high (I like Thunder height). Regular Krux are lighter than Indys and arguably turn just as well (their pivot cups are a little odd, they are really deep and deform oddly, like the turn is very side to side); cheaper too. Throw in the downlow pin and they are lighter than TI Indys.

I watched the Bondi event last night; everyone was riding indy except for McClain and maybe one or two others?

Tons of dudes ride Thunders that shred bowls, Cody lockwood, the Millers, Perelson.

Nice I wasn't aware of many bowl shredders that skate Thunder. That's rad. I feel like Thunders would be too low for a bigger dude like me. That's mainly why I've avoided them. I'll probably end up just sticking with Indy lol.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on February 21, 2016, 02:20:07 PM
Haven't looked at this thread in a while but it feels like Im seeing nothing but downlow kingpins. For those that have used them, would you be able to let your trucks wobble with these kingpins? I feel like it would end up loosening the kingpin and it would shake around instead, which I have had happen before.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 21, 2016, 05:54:26 PM
Quote from: Crow T. Robot on February 21, 2016, 02:20:07 PM
Haven't looked at this thread in a while but it feels like Im seeing nothing but downlow kingpins. For those that have used them, would you be able to let your trucks wobble with these kingpins? I feel like it would end up loosening the kingpin and it would shake around instead, which I have had happen before.

I think the only trucks with a downlow kingpin that will wobble with stock (non shaved/sanded) bushings are Krux. You won't be able to get them loose enough on ace or Indy with stock height bushings if you skate Matt Rodriguez loose
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on February 22, 2016, 12:01:44 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on February 21, 2016, 05:54:26 PM
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Haven't looked at this thread in a while but it feels like Im seeing nothing but downlow kingpins. For those that have used them, would you be able to let your trucks wobble with these kingpins? I feel like it would end up loosening the kingpin and it would shake around instead, which I have had happen before.
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I think the only trucks with a downlow kingpin that will wobble with stock (non shaved/sanded) bushings are Krux. You won't be able to get them loose enough on ace or Indy with stock height bushings if you skate Matt Rodriguez loose
Ive got Indy's with shaved/low top bushings. They get really eroded to the point where its too loose and the bushing can come off with out taking the kingpin nut and washer off. To deal with this I've been periodically swapping bushings and kingpin bolts before it gets too bad. The real issue is that my trucks are down to the axle and its either wobbly with a kingpin that sticks out, or too tight and terrible turns with trucks that can smith. Kinda of been in truck crisis, went through a few bolts and stripped a kingpin the past few weeks. Think i found a decent medium recently, and I might try to just glue the bolts in and hope it lasts.

I would be interested to know if the anyone has skated wobbly trucks with low kingpins, might try it for myself.

edit: its 10-40 degrees where I live so my shit feels little off every session depending temp so i really just want something that will last till april or may.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 23, 2016, 08:20:24 AM
I notice a lot of skaters are rockin' trucks slightly wider than their deck. Many go with 149's even if they're skating 8.25"-8.38". I've always thought if I go down from an 8.5" I would want to go down to 147s so my axle nuts aren't sticking out when I look down. Other than stability from a wider truck, what about grinds? Wouldn't a 149 cause you to slip back and forth on a grind more than a 147 since there's not as wide of a surface? Are 147s kinda too small for transition? My random truck nerd thoughts of the day...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 23, 2016, 08:26:35 AM
i do this often. 159s on an 8.5.... brings your wheels further out the deck. seems to reduce wheel bite a bit and i like the turn better. i def like it better for grinds especially on curbs and pool coping. disclaimer i'm old and mainly skate tranny and low-impact curb stuff....

in saying that, i currently have 44s on a 8.75". so i'm full of shit, really.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 23, 2016, 08:37:56 AM
Quote from: Main on February 23, 2016, 08:20:24 AM
I notice a lot of skaters are rockin' trucks slightly wider than their deck. Many go with 149's even if they're skating 8.25"-8.38". I've always thought if I go down from an 8.5" I would want to go down to 147s so my axle nuts aren't sticking out when I look down. Other than stability from a wider truck, what about grinds? Wouldn't a 149 cause you to slip back and forth on a grind more than a 147 since there's not as wide of a surface? Are 147s kinda too small for transition? My random truck nerd thoughts of the day...

in terms of locking into grinds the ideal deck width to truck ratio would be having the outer edge of the wheels flush with the edge of the board.  This is what you get when you have 8.5" trucks on an 8.25" deck.  

I've found that if my board is significantly wider (8.38" deck with 8" trucks) I tend to miss a lot of grinds and find myself over popping on ledges.  

If your board is significantly skinnier (8" deck with 8.5" trucks) it's a lot harder to lock in because you don't have the same leverage.

All that being said, I generally skate 8.38 and 8.5 decks with 8.5 trucks.  
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 23, 2016, 09:14:50 AM
Thanks for the reply bros. Makes more sense to me now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 23, 2016, 10:39:42 AM
Meant to say wheelbite not base
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Randozzi on February 23, 2016, 11:19:29 AM
149's on an 8.25 is perfect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 23, 2016, 12:38:42 PM
That's it! I'm trying an 8.25 damnit!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 23, 2016, 05:03:34 PM
Don't under estimate how dumb it looks and it may drive you mental......

On the other side....The over deck, under truck can enhance no pop nollie heels......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 23, 2016, 07:22:40 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on February 23, 2016, 05:03:34 PM
Don't under estimate how dumb it looks and it may drive you mental......

On the other side....The over deck, under truck can enhance no pop nollie heels......

You may be right. Especially with my attention to detail and OCD.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 24, 2016, 10:21:19 AM
The overhang of 149s on an 8.25" is 1/8" on either side, if you are looking down for that long to notice a bolt, something's wrong ;)

Lately, I've been riding 8" (thunders) on 8.25" and actually prefer it to 149s, the board just feels snappier and more responsive; I'd still stick with ACE or Krux on an 8.25" if I wanted the Indy feel for tranny so now I keep the 8.25" 147 setup for street (lower, smaller wheels) and an 8.25" with either Krux/ACE and bigger wheels.

If I could just get Thunders to carve the way I want them (like ACE lol ;) as I love the height but they're just not built that way; closest I can get is Team plates with soft bushings - currently using stock thunder 90a white, which feel softer than the clears w/Krux kingpin, khiro soft cups (chich might be too thick, it pushes they hanger forwar, team plates and Ti 147 hanger :P
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 24, 2016, 10:48:59 AM
Quote from: Xen on February 24, 2016, 10:21:19 AM
The overhang of 149s on an 8.25" is 1/8" on either side, if you are looking down for that long to notice a bolt, something's wrong ;)

Lately, I've been riding 8" (thunders) on 8.25" and actually prefer it to 149s, the board just feels snappier and more responsive; I'd still stick with ACE or Krux on an 8.25" if I wanted the Indy feel for tranny so now I keep the 8.25" 147 setup for street (lower, smaller wheels) and an 8.25" with either Krux/ACE and bigger wheels.

If I could just get Thunders to carve the way I want them (like ACE lol ;) as I love the height but they're just not built that way; closest I can get is Team plates with soft bushings - currently using stock thunder 90a white, which feel softer than the clears w/Krux kingpin, khiro soft cups (chich might be too thick, it pushes they hanger forwar, team plates and Ti 147 hanger :P

thunder 149/ 151 probably have a turn thats closer to what you want but sounds like too wide for your tastes? they'll never feel like aces but i still dig them for tranny.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 24, 2016, 10:52:26 AM
Sometimes I sit in my living room covered under a mountain of truck parts and feel like I'm going insane.....then i see a post from Xen and realize I'm not alone   :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 24, 2016, 11:43:26 AM
My only real issue with Thunders on tranny is having to use super soft bushings, either bones softs or Khiro 73a (much to sooft, they get destroyed after two or three sessions) and with bones, having to crank them down so they don't just mush out when turning; I ride loose (not jiggly tho) and like rebound, the softer they are the less there is.

The red 88a conicals feel just like the stock 90a and are the exact shape.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 24, 2016, 11:50:36 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on February 24, 2016, 10:52:26 AM
Sometimes I sit in my living room covered under a mountain of truck parts and feel like I'm going insane.....then i see a post from Xen and realize I'm not alone   :D

Right there wth you man! Setup the aces with krux DL/bushings and mag plates! Had a scale battle session last night ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 24, 2016, 02:03:47 PM
I'm going to stick with an 8.5 and 149s I've decided. It's never let me down.

Going back to an earlier discussion about Thunders, I've noticed a lot of recent instagram pics of pros that are using Bones bushings in theirs, and are not using the bottom washer and it seems to do just fine. Since I'm heavier I'm going to buy the hards and suffer through the break-in period. You guys think I can still get a killer turn out of them with the kingpin nut flush? Or do the hards just suck for turning?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 24, 2016, 02:15:29 PM
Quote from: Main on February 24, 2016, 02:03:47 PM
I'm going to stick with an 8.5 and 149s I've decided. It's never let me down.

Going back to an earlier discussion about Thunders, I've noticed a lot of recent instagram pics of pros that are using Bones bushings in theirs, and are not using the bottom washer and it seems to do just fine. Since I'm heavier I'm going to buy the hards and suffer through the break-in period. You guys think I can still get a killer turn out of them with the kingpin nut flush? Or do the hards just suck for turning?



The turn you'll get out of a bushing depends on the duro and your weight.  if you weigh 200+, the hards will work fine I'm sure.

just a heads up though, its going to change the geometry slightly and will put more stress on your pivot if you dont use the bottom washer but its impossible to fit bones bushings with both washers in thunders.  The bones bottom bushing is the same height as the stock thunder bottom bushing.  The height of the bottom bushing is essential to a trucks geometry

I still firmly believe that the black thunder rebuild kit bushings would be a much better solution, plus they come with higher quality washers than you get with the trucks.  I just can't find a reason to use the bones over thunders


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 24, 2016, 02:21:53 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on February 24, 2016, 02:15:29 PM
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I'm going to stick with an 8.5 and 149s I've decided. It's never let me down.

Going back to an earlier discussion about Thunders, I've noticed a lot of recent instagram pics of pros that are using Bones bushings in theirs, and are not using the bottom washer and it seems to do just fine. Since I'm heavier I'm going to buy the hards and suffer through the break-in period. You guys think I can still get a killer turn out of them with the kingpin nut flush? Or do the hards just suck for turning?


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The turn you'll get out of a bushing depends on the duro and your weight.  if you weigh 200+, the hards will work fine I'm sure.

just a heads up though, its going to change the geometry slightly and will put more stress on your pivot if you dont use the bottom washer but its impossible to fit bones bushings with both washers in thunders.  The bones bottom bushing is the same height as the stock thunder bottom bushing.  The height of the bottom bushing is essential to a trucks geometry

I still firmly believe that the black thunder rebuild kit bushings would be a much better solution, plus they come with higher quality washers than you get with the trucks.  I just can't find a reason to use the bones over thunders




Considering my weight the hards will work fine then. If Thunder made an aftermarket hard in white that's what I'd buy, but I despise colored bushings. Especially black...gross.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 24, 2016, 02:43:04 PM
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I'm going to stick with an 8.5 and 149s I've decided. It's never let me down.

Going back to an earlier discussion about Thunders, I've noticed a lot of recent instagram pics of pros that are using Bones bushings in theirs, and are not using the bottom washer and it seems to do just fine. Since I'm heavier I'm going to buy the hards and suffer through the break-in period. You guys think I can still get a killer turn out of them with the kingpin nut flush? Or do the hards just suck for turning?


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The turn you'll get out of a bushing depends on the duro and your weight.  if you weigh 200+, the hards will work fine I'm sure.

just a heads up though, its going to change the geometry slightly and will put more stress on your pivot if you dont use the bottom washer but its impossible to fit bones bushings with both washers in thunders.  The bones bottom bushing is the same height as the stock thunder bottom bushing.  The height of the bottom bushing is essential to a trucks geometry

I still firmly believe that the black thunder rebuild kit bushings would be a much better solution, plus they come with higher quality washers than you get with the trucks.  I just can't find a reason to use the bones over thunders



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Considering my weight the hards will work fine then. If Thunder made an aftermarket hard in white that's what I'd buy, but I despise colored bushings. Especially black...gross.

They do make them in yellow.  not sure if that's better or worse than black haha http://www.tactics.com/thunder/skate-bushing-tube-2-truck-set/neon-yellow-maximum (http://www.tactics.com/thunder/skate-bushing-tube-2-truck-set/neon-yellow-maximum)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 24, 2016, 05:32:47 PM
Quote from: N.L. on February 24, 2016, 10:48:59 AM
Quote from: Xen on February 24, 2016, 10:21:19 AM
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The overhang of 149s on an 8.25" is 1/8" on either side, if you are looking down for that long to notice a bolt, something's wrong ;)

Lately, I've been riding 8" (thunders) on 8.25" and actually prefer it to 149s, the board just feels snappier and more responsive; I'd still stick with ACE or Krux on an 8.25" if I wanted the Indy feel for tranny so now I keep the 8.25" 147 setup for street (lower, smaller wheels) and an 8.25" with either Krux/ACE and bigger wheels.

If I could just get Thunders to carve the way I want them (like ACE lol ;) as I love the height but they're just not built that way; closest I can get is Team plates with soft bushings - currently using stock thunder 90a white, which feel softer than the clears w/Krux kingpin, khiro soft cups (chich might be too thick, it pushes they hanger forwar, team plates and Ti 147 hanger :P
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thunder 149/ 151 probably have a turn thats closer to what you want but sounds like too wide for your tastes? they'll never feel like aces but i still dig them for tranny.

Turning wise....I think ACE....Theeve....Indy.....Thunder.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 24, 2016, 08:35:29 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on February 24, 2016, 05:32:47 PM
Quote from: N.L. on February 24, 2016, 10:48:59 AM
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The overhang of 149s on an 8.25" is 1/8" on either side, if you are looking down for that long to notice a bolt, something's wrong ;)

Lately, I've been riding 8" (thunders) on 8.25" and actually prefer it to 149s, the board just feels snappier and more responsive; I'd still stick with ACE or Krux on an 8.25" if I wanted the Indy feel for tranny so now I keep the 8.25" 147 setup for street (lower, smaller wheels) and an 8.25" with either Krux/ACE and bigger wheels.

If I could just get Thunders to carve the way I want them (like ACE lol ;) as I love the height but they're just not built that way; closest I can get is Team plates with soft bushings - currently using stock thunder 90a white, which feel softer than the clears w/Krux kingpin, khiro soft cups (chich might be too thick, it pushes they hanger forwar, team plates and Ti 147 hanger :P
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thunder 149/ 151 probably have a turn thats closer to what you want but sounds like too wide for your tastes? they'll never feel like aces but i still dig them for tranny.
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Turning wise....I think ACE....Theeve....Indy.....Thunder.....



I can't say I disagree with that order...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 24, 2016, 09:01:15 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on February 24, 2016, 05:32:47 PM
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The overhang of 149s on an 8.25" is 1/8" on either side, if you are looking down for that long to notice a bolt, something's wrong ;)

Lately, I've been riding 8" (thunders) on 8.25" and actually prefer it to 149s, the board just feels snappier and more responsive; I'd still stick with ACE or Krux on an 8.25" if I wanted the Indy feel for tranny so now I keep the 8.25" 147 setup for street (lower, smaller wheels) and an 8.25" with either Krux/ACE and bigger wheels.

If I could just get Thunders to carve the way I want them (like ACE lol ;) as I love the height but they're just not built that way; closest I can get is Team plates with soft bushings - currently using stock thunder 90a white, which feel softer than the clears w/Krux kingpin, khiro soft cups (chich might be too thick, it pushes they hanger forwar, team plates and Ti 147 hanger :P
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thunder 149/ 151 probably have a turn thats closer to what you want but sounds like too wide for your tastes? they'll never feel like aces but i still dig them for tranny.
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Turning wise....I think ACE....Theeve....Indy.....Thunder.....



What i was trying to say is that as far as Thunder goes, as I understand it the 149/151 have a 'better' turn than the smaller sizes.

Krux are also missing from your list. They are easily on par with Indy/ Ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 24, 2016, 10:17:53 PM
Yah....I've never skated them....thought they were closer to a Thunder....I just wanted to show a range....Venture is on the other side of Thunder....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 25, 2016, 11:31:21 AM
ACE....Theeve...Indy.....Krux.....Venture...Thunder....

Krux turn just as well as Indy, if not a bit faster? It's essentially a Chinese made indy (much like ACE).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 25, 2016, 10:07:20 PM
I think there are at least a couple turn qualities....one is something responsive or fast....the other is turning radius....

Like you can ride tensors no bushings and they'll twitch but they'd never arc like an Indy......

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Flip260z on February 26, 2016, 06:40:43 AM
Quote from: Xen on February 24, 2016, 11:50:36 AM
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Sometimes I sit in my living room covered under a mountain of truck parts and feel like I'm going insane.....then i see a post from Xen and realize I'm not alone   :D
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Right there wth you man! Setup the aces with krux DL/bushings and mag plates! Had a scale battle session last night ;)

Im curious what bushings you used exactly. I installed the Krux DL on my ace 44's last night and they are definitely more snug than i would like. Gonna have to skate today and see though.  I did like that the nut held itself and didnt spin in the baseplate though.  The ace stock bushings with just a slight jiggle is the perfect ride for me ive found.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 26, 2016, 08:24:00 AM
Quote from: Flip260z on February 26, 2016, 06:40:43 AM
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Sometimes I sit in my living room covered under a mountain of truck parts and feel like I'm going insane.....then i see a post from Xen and realize I'm not alone   :D
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Right there wth you man! Setup the aces with krux DL/bushings and mag plates! Had a scale battle session last night ;)
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Im curious what bushings you used exactly. I installed the Krux DL on my ace 44's last night and they are definitely more snug than i would like. Gonna have to skate today and see though.  I did like that the nut held itself and didnt spin in the baseplate though.  The ace stock bushings with just a slight jiggle is the perfect ride for me ive found.

Krux stock bushings, same height as ACE stocks (top and bottom); I wasn't able to get the nut to not spin this time around after it caught and became snug; wedged it and gave them another 1/4 turn. Should feel fine; I ride as loose as I can pre-jiggle, i.e. everything snug, not cranked down.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 26, 2016, 12:24:16 PM
If you want to use the downlow kingpin on Ace's and like it super loose, you could use the aftermarket indy bushings.  the bottom bushing is the same height as Ace/Krux but the top bushing is shorter
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 26, 2016, 12:52:00 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on February 26, 2016, 12:24:16 PM
If you want to use the downlow kingpin on Ace's and like it super loose, you could use the aftermarket indy bushings.  the bottom bushing is the same height as Ace/Krux but the top bushing is shorter

My aftermarket orange barrels we're shorter than ACE or Krux (will get a pic later) stocks, they are even shorter than the conicals. Odd set maybe?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Flip260z on February 26, 2016, 01:39:26 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on February 26, 2016, 12:24:16 PM
If you want to use the downlow kingpin on Ace's and like it super loose, you could use the aftermarket indy bushings.  the bottom bushing is the same height as Ace/Krux but the top bushing is shorter

Thanks for all the info guys.  I have some aftermarket indys (92a med hard blue) on my 149 indys on cruiser setup i might mess around with tonight.  I honestly have an assortment of bushings lying around over the years but didnt really even think about it.  Might come up with some sort of crazy frankenstein setup at some point.  What hardness of the independent bushings do you think matches the stock ace?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Flip260z on February 26, 2016, 01:45:55 PM
Quote from: Flip260z on February 26, 2016, 01:39:26 PM
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If you want to use the downlow kingpin on Ace's and like it super loose, you could use the aftermarket indy bushings.  the bottom bushing is the same height as Ace/Krux but the top bushing is shorter
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Thanks for all the info guys.  I have some aftermarket indys (92a med hard blue) on my 149 indys on cruiser setup i might mess around with tonight.  I honestly have an assortment of bushings lying around over the years but didnt really even think about it.  Might come up with some sort of crazy frankenstein setup at some point.  What hardness of the independent bushings do you think matches the stock ace?

Just checked over at http://www.skatewarehouse.com/bushings.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/bushings.html)   and they have some independent low bushings on bottom of page that have a noticeably lower top bushing (at least from their stock photo).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boomhauer on February 27, 2016, 08:10:40 PM
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Do you guys have tips for the Krux kingpin conversion? I know there was something about this in a thread but I couldn't find it  :-\
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it was like 12 or more pages back in the set up thread, the skinny of it was that most people hammered out the soild kingpin and it came out, but the hollow ones are hard as shit to get out, i even think steve tried to bake his base plate in an oven so it would come out easier, i'll edit in a link later.
edit: got'cha fam
http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530)
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Thank you! I searched the truck set up and didn't find it haha
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no problem man.
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So I've now found a way to remove the kingpins from forged baseplates.  I've done it on two sets of my Indy's and I did a friends last night.

Remove the pivot cups, bake the baseplate at 500 degrees for 20 minutes, take it out and hit it with a 20lb dumbbell. It's insane but it works.

If you have regular cast baseplates it comes out with just a few wacks from a hammer

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160220_063247_zpso9o2c9a3.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160220_063247_zpso9o2c9a3.jpg.html)

What's tightening/loosening like with these? Did you have to glue the kingpin nut to the baseplate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 28, 2016, 06:01:02 AM
Quote from: Boomhauer on February 27, 2016, 08:10:40 PM
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Do you guys have tips for the Krux kingpin conversion? I know there was something about this in a thread but I couldn't find it  :-\
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it was like 12 or more pages back in the set up thread, the skinny of it was that most people hammered out the soild kingpin and it came out, but the hollow ones are hard as shit to get out, i even think steve tried to bake his base plate in an oven so it would come out easier, i'll edit in a link later.
edit: got'cha fam
http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530)
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Thank you! I searched the truck set up and didn't find it haha
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no problem man.
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So I've now found a way to remove the kingpins from forged baseplates.  I've done it on two sets of my Indy's and I did a friends last night.

Remove the pivot cups, bake the baseplate at 500 degrees for 20 minutes, take it out and hit it with a 20lb dumbbell. It's insane but it works.

If you have regular cast baseplates it comes out with just a few wacks from a hammer

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160220_063247_zpso9o2c9a3.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160220_063247_zpso9o2c9a3.jpg.html)
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What's tightening/loosening like with these? Did you have to glue the kingpin nut to the baseplate?

Honestly, it's a pain in the ass.  Some guys use JB weld to hold the nut in place but then your stuck with that one nut forever and if it strips or the nylock wears out your screwed.  Basically you wedge something on the bottom between the nut and the baseplate to hold it in place and then tighten the top of the kingpin. 

I'd only recommend doing it if you dont change your bushings or adjust your trucks often
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on February 28, 2016, 11:05:12 AM
happy to hear that the oven trick finally worked
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boomhauer on February 28, 2016, 03:40:44 PM
Damn I'm always messing with my trucks hah. Thanks Steve
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on February 28, 2016, 05:40:54 PM
has anyone tried skating venture hangers on thunder baseplates? they fit from what i did at my shop. i like how ventures grind but have too slow of a turn for me, and thunder 147 hangers are too low. i might have to try.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 28, 2016, 05:48:32 PM
Quote from: pointandclick on February 28, 2016, 05:40:54 PM
has anyone tried skating venture hangers on thunder baseplates? they fit from what i did at my shop. i like how ventures grind but have too slow of a turn for me, and thunder 147 hangers are too low. i might have to try.

Thunder and Venture are made in the same factory, so essentially they should be grinding the same. Thunders will have that quicker turn but if you're concerned about height maybe try a hard plastic riser? I can understand if you wouldn't wanna go that route though, as I'm not a fan of risers. Krux are 55mm tall and are supposed to grind/turn really good as you'll read from a bunch of people in this thread. Ace could be a good option too.

Answering your question: I don't think it would be a good idea to mix different truck company hangers/baseplates as they all have a different geometry.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 29, 2016, 08:53:51 AM
Quote from: pointandclick on February 28, 2016, 05:40:54 PM
has anyone tried skating venture hangers on thunder baseplates? they fit from what i did at my shop. i like how ventures grind but have too slow of a turn for me, and thunder 147 hangers are too low. i might have to try.

Hangers are too low? Try the team base plates (non forged) for a bit more height.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on February 29, 2016, 01:19:02 PM
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has anyone tried skating venture hangers on thunder baseplates? they fit from what i did at my shop. i like how ventures grind but have too slow of a turn for me, and thunder 147 hangers are too low. i might have to try.
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Hangers are too low? Try the team base plates (non forged) for a bit more height.
thunder hangers are too low for my liking for 56mm wheels,  im on krux highs now, i like them but i go through pivot cups like no other, indy and other brands dont seem to fit for replacements. i wish i could just get a set of ventures that were center mounted so i wouldnt have to try to rig them up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 29, 2016, 02:57:26 PM
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has anyone tried skating venture hangers on thunder baseplates? they fit from what i did at my shop. i like how ventures grind but have too slow of a turn for me, and thunder 147 hangers are too low. i might have to try.
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Hangers are too low? Try the team base plates (non forged) for a bit more height.
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thunder hangers are too low for my liking for 56mm wheels,  im on krux highs now, i like them but i go through pivot cups like no other, indy and other brands dont seem to fit for replacements. i wish i could just get a set of ventures that were center mounted so i wouldnt have to try to rig them up.

Agree with you on the Krux pivot cups.  They're the only downside that I've found with Krux.  After like 3 sessions they get deformed and the pivot is sloppy which makes them wobbly.  might be find for some people but it was enough for me to go back to Indy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on February 29, 2016, 11:29:53 PM
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has anyone tried skating venture hangers on thunder baseplates? they fit from what i did at my shop. i like how ventures grind but have too slow of a turn for me, and thunder 147 hangers are too low. i might have to try.
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Hangers are too low? Try the team base plates (non forged) for a bit more height.
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thunder hangers are too low for my liking for 56mm wheels,  im on krux highs now, i like them but i go through pivot cups like no other, indy and other brands dont seem to fit for replacements. i wish i could just get a set of ventures that were center mounted so i wouldnt have to try to rig them up.
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Agree with you on the Krux pivot cups.  They're the only downsize that I've found with Krux.  After like 3 sessions they get deformed and the pivot is sloppy which makes them wobbly.  might be find for some people but it was enough for me to go back to Indy
did you try the khiro ones in there?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 01, 2016, 04:20:18 AM
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has anyone tried skating venture hangers on thunder baseplates? they fit from what i did at my shop. i like how ventures grind but have too slow of a turn for me, and thunder 147 hangers are too low. i might have to try.
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Hangers are too low? Try the team base plates (non forged) for a bit more height.
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thunder hangers are too low for my liking for 56mm wheels,  im on krux highs now, i like them but i go through pivot cups like no other, indy and other brands dont seem to fit for replacements. i wish i could just get a set of ventures that were center mounted so i wouldnt have to try to rig them up.
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Agree with you on the Krux pivot cups.  They're the only downside that I've found with Krux.  After like 3 sessions they get deformed and the pivot is sloppy which makes them wobbly.  might be find for some people but it was enough for me to go back to Indy
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did you try the khiro ones in there?

I did and they were too short.  the Krux pivot cavity is deeper than indy/ace/thunder/venture I guess
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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has anyone tried skating venture hangers on thunder baseplates? they fit from what i did at my shop. i like how ventures grind but have too slow of a turn for me, and thunder 147 hangers are too low. i might have to try.
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Hangers are too low? Try the team base plates (non forged) for a bit more height.
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thunder hangers are too low for my liking for 56mm wheels,  im on krux highs now, i like them but i go through pivot cups like no other, indy and other brands dont seem to fit for replacements. i wish i could just get a set of ventures that were center mounted so i wouldnt have to try to rig them up.
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Agree with you on the Krux pivot cups.  They're the only downside that I've found with Krux.  After like 3 sessions they get deformed and the pivot is sloppy which makes them wobbly.  might be find for some people but it was enough for me to go back to Indy
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did you try the khiro ones in there?
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I did and they were too short.  the Krux pivot cavity is deeper than indy/ace/thunder/venture I guess

Yeah, the Krux cup is much longer/cavity is deeper and yes they do deform pretty fast (Steve and I were nerding on on that a few days ago) and in a weird way, sort of a horizontal squish, maybe that's why they turn so great from the get go in addition to the great bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 01, 2016, 12:01:31 PM
Any of you guys mess with risers? 
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Post by: BMCsteve on March 01, 2016, 12:04:30 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 01, 2016, 12:01:31 PM
Any of you guys mess with risers? 

I just put some risers on a tranny setup to prevent wheelbite but I haven't used them on a regular board in probably 10 years.  The Professor thinks they give you added leverage for a bigger pop -

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZdDsicDafw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZdDsicDafw#)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 01, 2016, 12:06:52 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 01, 2016, 12:01:31 PM
Any of you guys mess with risers?�
Starting to. I've got 1/4" dooks on my tranny board. Mainly because I'm fat and have 58s and forged baseplates.

I've got some softer lucky 1/8" things in considering putting on my regular set up. They're not shock pad soft but they're definitely pliable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 01, 2016, 12:56:15 PM
Yeah I ride em on my transition and cruiser set ups too and it's crossed my mind if I start sizing up to do the same thing on my street set up.... Clears wheel bite.

They change how your trucks turn too....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 01, 2016, 01:05:12 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 01, 2016, 12:01:31 PM
Any of you guys mess with risers?�

For sure. Loose trucks/ soft bushings + 56mm wheels + not a light dude. I use them a lot. I can't go bigger than 1/8" though. I think you're right about risers making some trucks turn better also. Thunders for one...

In saying that I'm riser free at the moment. Trying to finesse my wheel bite game.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 01, 2016, 01:17:05 PM
I've some 1/8" risers on my 8.5" with Indy 159s (forged) + 56mm wheels so I can shave off a bit of wheel bite.

With indy standards NHS says you can get away with 56mm wheels w/out a riser; by that logic I'd say say you can get away with up to 54mm on the forged without riser (which I run on another setup).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fookya on March 01, 2016, 01:40:10 PM
I've really been wanting to try out a set of thunders, but I haven't been able to pull the trigger. I've been riding indys for the last 10 years or so and I currently have standard 149 with the after market orange conical bushings. What bushings should I be putting in thunders for a comparable feel?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 01, 2016, 01:43:51 PM
Quote from: fookya on March 01, 2016, 01:40:10 PM
I've really been wanting to try out a set of thunders, but I haven't been able to pull the trigger. I've been riding indys for the last 10 years or so and I currently have standard 149 with the after market orange conical bushings. What bushings should I be putting in thunders for a comparable feel?

Indy conical 88a (reds) - they really get Thunders feeling carvy (with team plates mind you for added height).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: johnes on March 01, 2016, 06:25:06 PM
Been hurt the last couple weeks, but this is my current truck set up. Seemed to be working fine last few times I skated.
Mini Logo 8.38s with hard bones bushings, I started using risers about a year ago to help with wheel bite.
front
(http://i.imgur.com/ZDN0Ikx.jpg)

Back
(http://i.imgur.com/4zoW778.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 01, 2016, 10:52:26 PM
Are stage 10 and 11 baseplates the same? I think they are, I could go look at both of these trucks in my living room and compare, but I need comfirmation from you guys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on March 02, 2016, 12:53:45 AM
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has anyone tried skating venture hangers on thunder baseplates? they fit from what i did at my shop. i like how ventures grind but have too slow of a turn for me, and thunder 147 hangers are too low. i might have to try.
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Hangers are too low? Try the team base plates (non forged) for a bit more height.
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thunder hangers are too low for my liking for 56mm wheels,  im on krux highs now, i like them but i go through pivot cups like no other, indy and other brands dont seem to fit for replacements. i wish i could just get a set of ventures that were center mounted so i wouldnt have to try to rig them up.
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Agree with you on the Krux pivot cups.  They're the only downside that I've found with Krux.  After like 3 sessions they get deformed and the pivot is sloppy which makes them wobbly.  might be find for some people but it was enough for me to go back to Indy
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did you try the khiro ones in there?
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I did and they were too short.  the Krux pivot cavity is deeper than indy/ace/thunder/venture I guess
i wonder if you could use some kind of caulking or shoe goo as a last resort at the bottom to fill in the void?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 02, 2016, 04:13:36 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 01, 2016, 10:52:26 PM
Are stage 10 and 11 baseplates the same? I think they are, I could go look at both of these trucks in my living room and compare, but I need comfirmation from you guys.

haha yes they are the same. before stage 11's were officially released, Indy was putting out 10.5 which was just the S11 hanger on S10 baseplates since they had tons of S10 forged baseplates.

I think the only difference is the stamp on the bottom of the baseplate and the indy logo on the front has a circle around it on S11 but the geometry and everything else is the same
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on March 02, 2016, 04:41:23 AM
Quote from: johnes on March 01, 2016, 06:25:06 PM
Been hurt the last couple weeks, but this is my current truck set up. Seemed to be working fine last few times I skated.
Mini Logo 8.38s with hard bones bushings, I started using risers about a year ago to help with wheel bite.
front
(http://i.imgur.com/ZDN0Ikx.jpg)

Back
(http://i.imgur.com/4zoW778.jpg)
I'm riding mini logo trucks on one of my setups and I, too, have risers to combat the wheelbite. Also, knocking out the kingpin was easy to put in an old set of grindking kingpins into them, but there is a pronounced wiggle to them like the Theeve kingpins would get on the older version of their trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 02, 2016, 12:04:52 PM
Ace experts...I'm getting a shaped deck that's 9.25 wide and I'm gonna try Ace's out for the first time. Should I go with 55's or 66's?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 02, 2016, 12:57:11 PM
Quote from: Main on March 02, 2016, 12:04:52 PM
Ace experts...I'm getting a shaped deck that's 9.25 wide and I'm gonna try Ace's out for the first time. Should I go with 55's or 66's?

With shaped decks I generally buy whatever truck size the board measures over the rear bolts.  It could be 9.25 in the middle but 8.75 over the rear trucks in which case I would get 55's.  If it's 9.25 at the rear, 66's would be perfect

That's just my preference though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 02, 2016, 01:12:16 PM
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Ace experts...I'm getting a shaped deck that's 9.25 wide and I'm gonna try Ace's out for the first time. Should I go with 55's or 66's?
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With shaped decks I generally buy whatever truck size the board measures over the rear bolts.  It could be 9.25 in the middle but 8.75 over the rear trucks in which case I would get 55's.  If it's 9.25 at the rear, 66's would be perfect

That's just my preference though

I keep looking at pictures of the deck and it's hard to tell whether the front or rear bolts area slightly tapers more than the other. I also can't find solid information on axle width of 55's and 66's. Different shops say different measurements.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 02, 2016, 01:28:50 PM
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Ace experts...I'm getting a shaped deck that's 9.25 wide and I'm gonna try Ace's out for the first time. Should I go with 55's or 66's?
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With shaped decks I generally buy whatever truck size the board measures over the rear bolts.  It could be 9.25 in the middle but 8.75 over the rear trucks in which case I would get 55's.  If it's 9.25 at the rear, 66's would be perfect

That's just my preference though
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I keep looking at pictures of the deck and it's hard to tell whether the front or rear bolts area slightly tapers more than the other. I also can't find solid information on axle width of 55's and 66's. Different shops say different measurements.

I'm pretty sure it's 55 = 8.875 and 66 = 9.25
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 03, 2016, 09:19:41 PM
(http://weirdoskateboards.com/trucks/ace/images/ace_sizes_chart.jpg)

add 2.5 to the hanger dimensions for actual width, e.g., ACE44 5.75(3/4)+2.5 = 8.25"ish, 66=6.75+2.5=9.25"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 03, 2016, 10:33:41 PM
Ah now I see. Thank you sir! I made a shout out to you and steve in the "slap posters you enjoy/dislike" thread by the way. Cheers!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 03, 2016, 10:45:37 PM
Do 33s stick out on an 8" then? I'm contemplating changing my set-up of 15+ years to for an 8" board with ACE 33s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 03, 2016, 11:05:17 PM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on March 03, 2016, 10:45:37 PM
Do 33s stick out on an 8" then? I'm contemplating changing my set-up of 15+ years to for an 8" board with ACE 33s

They are an 8" axle so they'll fit perfectly.
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 03, 2016, 11:22:06 PM
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Do 33s stick out on an 8" then? I'm contemplating changing my set-up of 15+ years to for an 8" board with ACE 33s
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They are an 8" axle so they'll fit perfectly.

BOOM!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 04, 2016, 08:30:57 AM
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Do 33s stick out on an 8" then? I'm contemplating changing my set-up of 15+ years to for an 8" board with ACE 33s
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They are an 8" axle so they'll fit perfectly.

Going by ACE maths they are really 7.875" so just a hair under, opposite of the 44s which are closer to 8.3.

Quote from: Main on March 03, 2016, 10:33:41 PM
Ah now I see. Thank you sir! I made a shout out to you and steve in the "slap posters you enjoy/dislike" thread by the way. Cheers!

Thanks, didn't know there was such a thread!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 04, 2016, 08:47:26 AM
I have ace 44's and lined them up against my 8.....dicey....I wouldn't do it....bolt or wheel overhang drives me nuts.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Coenobita on March 04, 2016, 08:56:06 AM
I've recently switched from 149 Thunder Hollow II's to Krux K4 8.25. I found myself uncomfortably and involuntarily tic tacking with the K4s despite their better turning radius, has anyone else had this problem? They're loose as hell, so tightness shouldn't be an issue.  ???

Indy and Thunder have been my only trucks until these Krux. Has anyone one else had this similar situation?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 04, 2016, 10:37:16 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 04, 2016, 08:47:26 AM
I have ace 44's and lined them up against my 8.....dicey....I wouldn't do it....bolt or wheel overhang drives me nuts.....

I've done it, didn't like it. They work great on 8.125 and up, can hardly notice any overhang.

Quote from: Coenobita on March 04, 2016, 08:56:06 AM
I've recently switched from 149 Thunder Hollow II's to Krux K4 8.25. I found myself uncomfortably and involuntarily tic tacking with the K4s despite their better turning radius, has anyone else had this problem? They're loose as hell, so tightness shouldn't be an issue.  ???

Indy and Thunder have been my only trucks until these Krux. Has anyone one else had this similar situation?

That's....odd? If anything that comment sounds like it would happen of you did the reverse (switch from Krux to Thunders ;)

Can't help you with this one (having sets of all the trucks you mention I've never felt that way with Krux).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on March 04, 2016, 11:56:29 PM
Quote from: Coenobita on March 04, 2016, 08:56:06 AM
I've recently switched from 149 Thunder Hollow II's to Krux K4 8.25. I found myself uncomfortably and involuntarily tic tacking with the K4s despite their better turning radius, has anyone else had this problem? They're loose as hell, so tightness shouldn't be an issue.  ???

Indy and Thunder have been my only trucks until these Krux. Has anyone one else had this similar situation?
Could it be because the truck is much higher than what you're used to, so when you put even a tiny bit of weight down not realizing it, the front truck lifts up? I just started riding krux from Indys so it's not a huge difference in height and I don't think I've noticed anything like you said.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Coenobita on March 05, 2016, 07:14:42 AM
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I've recently switched from 149 Thunder Hollow II's to Krux K4 8.25. I found myself uncomfortably and involuntarily tic tacking with the K4s despite their better turning radius, has anyone else had this problem? They're loose as hell, so tightness shouldn't be an issue.  ???

Indy and Thunder have been my only trucks until these Krux. Has anyone one else had this similar situation?
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Could it be because the truck is much higher than what you're used to, so when you put even a tiny bit of weight down not realizing it, the front truck lifts up? I just started riding krux from Indys so it's not a huge difference in height and I don't think I've noticed anything like you said.

I think you're right, maybe I'm doing it subconsciously to counteract wheel bite which was a constant issue with the Thunders. I kept ending up with deep indentations from wheel bite. Gotta get used to 'em.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on March 05, 2016, 10:37:30 AM
I've been skating Indy Titanium forged 149's for a year, and despite replacing the pivot cups with Indy aftermarket's, the actual metal in the baseplate is slightly blown out and I get a weird lateral twitch if that makes sense.  Really want to keep skating these as the hangers have some life left.  Any idea where I could find Indy forged baseplates?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SodaJerk on March 05, 2016, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: jamersonbass on March 05, 2016, 10:37:30 AM
I've been skating Indy Titanium forged 149's for a year, and despite replacing the pivot cups with Indy aftermarket's, the actual metal in the baseplate is slightly blown out and I get a weird lateral twitch if that makes sense.  Really want to keep skating these as the hangers have some life left.  Any idea where I could find Indy forged baseplates?
Lots of places sell them, they're usually drilled with 6 holes because longboards use the old hole pattern. Just google it and they'll come up, pretty cheap too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 05, 2016, 04:21:58 PM
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I've been skating Indy Titanium forged 149's for a year, and despite replacing the pivot cups with Indy aftermarket's, the actual metal in the baseplate is slightly blown out and I get a weird lateral twitch if that makes sense.  Really want to keep skating these as the hangers have some life left.  Any idea where I could find Indy forged baseplates?
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Lots of places sell them, they're usually drilled with 6 holes because longboards use the old hole pattern. Just google it and they'll come up, pretty cheap too.
Be careful though, the kingpins that come with those 6 hole baseplates are much longer than the standard Indy kingpins.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 06, 2016, 09:17:13 AM
Quote from: Xen on March 03, 2016, 09:19:41 PM
(http://weirdoskateboards.com/trucks/ace/images/ace_sizes_chart.jpg)

add 2.5 to the hanger dimensions for actual width, e.g., ACE44 5.75(3/4)+2.5 = 8.25"ish, 66=6.75+2.5=9.25"

Yeah 44s are 8 3/8". At least mine are. I've been using them on shaped boards 8 5/8 to 8/ 3/4 and they've been great.

Hoping to get some 55s and curious how they actually measure or is this chart accurate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on March 06, 2016, 09:29:36 AM
Went to a mall shop's warehouse sale, and they had the updated 44's for $25 a set. The guy said nobody at the shop knew what they were so they never recommend them. I was hoping to get some 55's, but they were super cheap so I went for it anyways. Skated them in the park a little bit and I really like them. They're not broken in yet, but I love the turning on them. I took off both washers and finger tightened the bolt on. They wobble around a lot, but they're incredibly stable at the same time. Absolutely in love with them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 06, 2016, 12:15:58 PM
It was only a matter of time.....don't piss the mods or else it's indy4lyfe....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Julz on March 07, 2016, 10:19:42 AM
This has probably been asked 924912 times, but fuck it. I'm going back to thunders once my set of ACE is done (no complains about the product, just love thunders more). Either way, last time I rode a set of thunders it was the regular RAW 147 highs, and I was wondering if switching to thunders light or even hollow light truly makes a difference, mainly from a flip perspective.

I guess I'll try a set of lighter thunders no matter what, but still SLAP opinion on stuff is usually pretty accurate so I'm curious.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 07, 2016, 11:41:21 AM
Quote from: Julz on March 07, 2016, 10:19:42 AM
This has probably been asked 924912 times, but fuck it. I'm going back to thunders once my set of ACE is done (no complains about the product, just love thunders more). Either way, last time I rode a set of thunders it was the regular RAW 147 highs, and I was wondering if switching to thunders light or even hollow light truly makes a difference, mainly from a flip perspective.

I guess I'll try a set of lighter thunders no matter what, but still SLAP opinion on stuff is usually pretty accurate so I'm curious.

Depends on the size/what you are used too/coming off.

Lights/Hollows give you the forged plate so they will be lower than your ACEs by a good margin, the team thunders (not forged/hollow) are about the same height. Flip wise, you won't notice a difference between hollows/non too be honest; only Ti nets a noticeable difference; you'd find more adjustment between 149/147s; Busenitz doesn't seem to have any issue flipping standard thunders when he needs to.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Julz on March 07, 2016, 01:28:17 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 07, 2016, 11:41:21 AM
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This has probably been asked 924912 times, but fuck it. I'm going back to thunders once my set of ACE is done (no complains about the product, just love thunders more). Either way, last time I rode a set of thunders it was the regular RAW 147 highs, and I was wondering if switching to thunders light or even hollow light truly makes a difference, mainly from a flip perspective.

I guess I'll try a set of lighter thunders no matter what, but still SLAP opinion on stuff is usually pretty accurate so I'm curious.
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Depends on the size/what you are used too/coming off.

Lights/Hollows give you the forged plate so they will be lower than your ACEs by a good margin, the team thunders (not forged/hollow) are about the same height. Flip wise, you won't notice a difference between hollows/non too be honest; only Ti nets a noticeable difference; you'd find more adjustment between 149/147s; Busenitz doesn't seem to have any issue flipping standard thunders when he needs to.

True, I didn't think about the height difference. I'm riding ACE 44's on a 8.25, but I'm going down to 147highs/8.125. Fuck it, I'll buy them and buy something else if it doesn't work out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 07, 2016, 04:21:07 PM
I just dropped down to 8.125 (supposed to be an 8.25 but doesn't measure that way....) and 147s, then switch to 139s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 07, 2016, 04:50:06 PM
Man Ace's truck info is all over the place. SoCal skate shop, which is the place to get them as Ace links you directly to there, says:

44-8.25
55-8.875
66-9.5

Then Ace directly tells me via email:

44-8
55-8.625
66-9

???

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on March 07, 2016, 05:21:24 PM
has anybody here tried rethreading kingpins?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 07, 2016, 07:16:53 PM
Quote from: Main on March 07, 2016, 04:50:06 PM
Man Ace's truck info is all over the place. SoCal skate shop, which is the place to get them as Ace links you directly to there, says:

44-8.25
55-8.875
66-9.5

Then Ace directly tells me via email:

44-8
55-8.625
66-9

???



if 55s were that 8.625 that would be perfect.

maybe they're changing things around a bit?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: duzerdrof on March 07, 2016, 09:36:55 PM
Quote from: N.L. on March 07, 2016, 07:16:53 PM
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Man Ace's truck info is all over the place. SoCal skate shop, which is the place to get them as Ace links you directly to there, says:

44-8.25
55-8.875
66-9.5

Then Ace directly tells me via email:

44-8
55-8.625
66-9

???


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if 55s were that 8.625 that would be perfect.

maybe they're changing things around a bit?

i have an older (2014?) pair of 44s and they're close to 8.25, maybe a hair longer but definitely shorter than an indy 149

I think there was a recent design change that's supposed to make them less prone to bending so maybe sizes have changed
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 07, 2016, 10:29:31 PM
Ace kinda deters me with these inconsistencies in axle widths, and some kingpins being higher than others from what I've read. I'm not worried about the axle bending or slipping, I just want my truck to actually measure what the damn chart says. Never seen this much conflicting truck info with any other company...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 08, 2016, 07:32:10 AM
i have a new pair of 44s and the axle is 8 3/8.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 08, 2016, 07:59:14 AM
Quote from: Main on March 07, 2016, 10:29:31 PM
Ace kinda deters me with these inconsistencies in axle widths, and some kingpins being higher than others from what I've read. I'm not worried about the axle bending or slipping, I just want my truck to actually measure what the damn chart says. Never seen this much conflicting truck info with any other company...

I don't think there are any inconsistencies with the actual widths.  Do what I usually do, which is go by whatever Xen says  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tracer on March 08, 2016, 08:26:15 AM
Just use measurements
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 08, 2016, 08:27:10 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 08, 2016, 07:59:14 AM
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Ace kinda deters me with these inconsistencies in axle widths, and some kingpins being higher than others from what I've read. I'm not worried about the axle bending or slipping, I just want my truck to actually measure what the damn chart says. Never seen this much conflicting truck info with any other company...
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I don't think there are any inconsistencies with the actual widths.� Do what I usually do, which is go by whatever Xen says� :)

BMCsteve and Xen...the wind beneath my wings...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 08, 2016, 08:37:22 AM
Quote from: Main on March 07, 2016, 04:50:06 PM
Man Ace's truck info is all over the place. SoCal skate shop, which is the place to get them as Ace links you directly to there, says:

44-8.25
55-8.875
66-9.5

Then Ace directly tells me via email:

44-8
55-8.625
66-9

???



I'm telling ya, take the chart measurements and add 2.5" it's as accurate as you are going to get; also, ACE just run odd, they don't make an 8.5/149, 44s are smaller and 55s are bigger, that's where it all gets screwy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 08, 2016, 08:47:13 AM
I shall take your word Xen. Ace told me to add 2.25" to the hanger but it makes more sense with the 2.5".
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 08, 2016, 09:00:15 AM
Quote from: Main on March 08, 2016, 08:47:13 AM
I shall take your word Xen. Ace told me to add 2.25" to the hanger but it makes more sense with the 2.5".

(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/bucksaw87/Skate%20Diagrams/ace-size-chart.jpg)

Best to just measure ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 08, 2016, 09:03:46 AM
Joey T smokes a lot of weed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 08, 2016, 10:48:44 AM
That chart is wrong for the 44s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 08, 2016, 11:16:54 AM
Quote from: N.L. on March 08, 2016, 10:48:44 AM
That chart is wrong for the 44s.

5.75+2.5=8.25 which is supposed to be the 44 axle length right?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 08, 2016, 11:24:04 AM
yeah, but they are wider than that. 8 3/8.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 08, 2016, 11:31:45 AM
Quote from: N.L. on March 08, 2016, 11:24:04 AM
yeah, but they are wider than that. 8 3/8.

Yep they are 8.38 but billed as 8.25, also why they suggest adding a few washers on the inside if you want an 8.5"

Also, they did change the hanger taper on the new models, it's very subtle now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 08, 2016, 01:49:45 PM
Xen, do you know if the 55s measure as advertised?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Coconut Lotion on March 08, 2016, 02:03:27 PM
the set of 44's i had were most definitely 100% 8.38 inches wide from tip to tip. I measured over and over again. It kept me up at night.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 08, 2016, 03:33:02 PM
Trucks shouldn't be this complicated. I'm not really one to talk, but damn...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 08, 2016, 04:07:03 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 08, 2016, 03:33:02 PM
Trucks shouldn't be this complicated. I'm not really one to talk, but damn...

Truck Cos need to stop with funky numbers and just use inches - At least Krux is on that game.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 08, 2016, 04:52:42 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 08, 2016, 04:07:03 PM
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Trucks shouldn't be this complicated. I'm not really one to talk, but damn...
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Truck Cos need to stop with funky numbers and just use inches - At least Krux is on that game.
They're all measuring hangar, not axle. So like with Aces, 44s are 144mm hangar, which rounds to 5.7 inches. if they just measured by axle width, it would make everyone happy, even if it was in mm. just a standard of truck measurement.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 08, 2016, 06:50:51 PM
well they measure both axle and hangar but you are correct, hangar width is more relevant to performance.

44s aren't 44. they are 146. 55s are 162

indy started the misleading trend by using cooler sounding numbers like 169 or 169 or 151 rather than actual measurements.

indy 149s are actually 149 but thunder 149s are 151. its pretty ridiculous... but funny... skateboarding...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 08, 2016, 07:00:36 PM
Quote from: N.L. on March 08, 2016, 06:50:51 PM
well they measure both axle and hangar but you are correct, hangar width is more relevant to performance.

44s aren't 44. they are 146. 55s are 162

indy started to misleading trend by using cooler sounding numbers like 169 or 169 or 151 rather than actual measurements.

indy 149s are actually 149 but thunder 149s are 151. its pretty ridiculous... but funny... skateboarding...

Indy 149 and Thunder 149 both have a 149mm hanger.  Here's where it gets stupid - Indy 159 and Thunder 151 both have a 156mm Hanger. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 08, 2016, 07:13:18 PM
remeasure thunder 149s.... you'll see. slightly wider than indy 149s (stage 11) at 151mm.

whereas thunder 151s are actually 156mm, same as indy 159s... like you said.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on March 08, 2016, 10:35:24 PM
all this thread confirms, is that SCIENCE will always be cooler than math.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 09, 2016, 06:35:47 AM
Quote from: N.L. on March 08, 2016, 07:13:18 PM
remeasure thunder 149s.... you'll see. slightly wider than indy 149s (stage 11) at 151mm.

whereas thunder 151s are actually 156mm, same as indy 159s... like you said.



Not that any of this craziness matters but I measured 149 Thunder and Indy and they are the exact same length on both the hanger and axle

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160309_062312_zpsc7vckrrd.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160309_062312_zpsc7vckrrd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 09, 2016, 07:02:57 AM
Next step, measure brand new sets of 44, 55, and 66 redesigns and report back soldier.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on March 09, 2016, 07:10:01 AM
Time to make your own truck forum, guys, we don't want any more line on that shit here on slap !  ;D
(http://www.motcloth.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/nerd690x340.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 09, 2016, 07:38:44 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 09, 2016, 06:35:47 AM
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remeasure thunder 149s.... you'll see. slightly wider than indy 149s (stage 11) at 151mm.

whereas thunder 151s are actually 156mm, same as indy 159s... like you said.


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Not that any of this craziness matters but I measured 149 Thunder and Indy and they are the exact same length on both the hanger and axle



(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160309_062312_zpsc7vckrrd.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160309_062312_zpsc7vckrrd.jpg.html)

the indy looks wider in that photo.when i measured i got a wider thunder. either way, 1mm each side isn't going to mean anything to my shitty skateboard technique.

this thread has come to an awkward place. ha ha...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 09, 2016, 08:58:14 AM
Quote from: N.L. on March 09, 2016, 07:38:44 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 09, 2016, 06:35:47 AM
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remeasure thunder 149s.... you'll see. slightly wider than indy 149s (stage 11) at 151mm.

whereas thunder 151s are actually 156mm, same as indy 159s... like you said.


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Not that any of this craziness matters but I measured 149 Thunder and Indy and they are the exact same length on both the hanger and axle



(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160309_062312_zpsc7vckrrd.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160309_062312_zpsc7vckrrd.jpg.html)
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the indy looks wider in that photo.when i measured i got a wider thunder. either way, 1mm each side isn't going to mean anything to my shitty skateboard technique.

this thread has come to an awkward place. ha ha...

At this point it's just hilarious that we're discussing 1mm of width on a truck hanger.  this is the exact moment that the entire thread has jumped the shark  :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 09, 2016, 09:05:50 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 09, 2016, 08:58:14 AM
Quote from: N.L. on March 09, 2016, 07:38:44 AM
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Quote from: BMCsteve on March 09, 2016, 06:35:47 AM
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Quote from: N.L. on March 08, 2016, 07:13:18 PM
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remeasure thunder 149s.... you'll see. slightly wider than indy 149s (stage 11) at 151mm.

whereas thunder 151s are actually 156mm, same as indy 159s... like you said.


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Not that any of this craziness matters but I measured 149 Thunder and Indy and they are the exact same length on both the hanger and axle



(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160309_062312_zpsc7vckrrd.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160309_062312_zpsc7vckrrd.jpg.html)
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the indy looks wider in that photo.when i measured i got a wider thunder. either way, 1mm each side isn't going to mean anything to my shitty skateboard technique.

this thread has come to an awkward place. ha ha...
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At this point it's just hilarious that we're discussing 1mm of width on a truck hanger.  this is the exact moment that the entire thread has jumped the shark  :D
I wonder if ermico had an allowable margin of error on their widths. I'm sure they do. Or during the threading of the axels they sometimes give an extra turn, or one less... QUICK COUNT YOUR THREADS.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 09, 2016, 09:07:21 AM
i agree and do from this moment on pledge to grind more and keyboard less.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 09, 2016, 09:29:39 AM
I started all of this...I'm a worthless asshole who deserves to die young.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 09, 2016, 11:20:54 AM
Quote from: N.L. on March 09, 2016, 09:07:21 AM
i agree and do from this moment on pledge to grind more and keyboard less.

If I didn't have to be at 'work' I'd be grinding more.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on March 09, 2016, 12:11:20 PM
keep on nerding about trucks, dudes, i like to read that crap
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on March 10, 2016, 05:47:59 AM
holy shit i scared them !
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 10, 2016, 07:39:32 AM
oh i'm still here, panicking of whether Lee Ralph rides 44s or 55s and if i get 55s should i wait a bit because the hangar width might be  shortened and they might invert the kingpin but what if stage 12s come out this summer? fuck then what do i do? and how will the stage 12s be different to 11s? and then if thunder rehash the 151 christ i'll be incapacitated with indecision, sleepless nights concerned with turning geometry, location of manufacturing, dimensions, bushing quality, kingpin exposure but really i'm a 40 yr old man who slaps curbs and slashes pool coping. why does it even matter? am i just trying to avoid thinking about real shit like money, career, family and my steep demise into ineptitude  and eventual death? what was it all for? how much time did i consume thinking about something so meaningless? but isn't that what the buddhists say, take things of little matter very seriously and shrug of the big things. its all about the fucking trucks...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 10, 2016, 08:22:35 AM
I went out and got an Indy tattoo so in my mind I could only ride Indys, but then last night I remembered that old pic of Jamie Thomas shaving his head and his Indy tramp stamp and he rides thunders, almost had a breakdown.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 10, 2016, 08:31:44 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 10, 2016, 08:22:35 AM
I went out and got an Indy tattoo so in my mind I could only ride Indys, but then last night I remembered that old pic of Jamie Thomas shaving his head and his Indy tramp stamp and he rides thunders, almost had a breakdown.

Dying  :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on March 10, 2016, 08:38:41 AM
I'm starting to get a little disappointed with my Ace's. They turn fine, but they don't feel very different than my Indys. Everyone talked about how quickly they turn, but I have to ride it wobbly loose just to get a good enough turn. Should I try some different bushings? Or maybe is it that I came off 169's down to the 44s?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 10, 2016, 08:43:29 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 10, 2016, 08:31:44 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 10, 2016, 08:22:35 AM
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I went out and got an Indy tattoo so in my mind I could only ride Indys, but then last night I remembered that old pic of Jamie Thomas shaving his head and his Indy tramp stamp and he rides thunders, almost had a breakdown.
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Dying  :D

(http://cdn.skateboarding.transworld.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/440/files/2011/12/SKB0112_T30_JAM_030_v22-406x600.jpg)

Pretty sure he justifies it now by via being and independant type of dude ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 10, 2016, 08:45:27 AM
Quote from: Spitfire4life on March 10, 2016, 08:38:41 AM
I'm starting to get a little disappointed with my Ace's. They turn fine, but they don't feel very different than my Indys. Everyone talked about how quickly they turn, but I have to ride it wobbly loose just to get a good enough turn. Should I try some different bushings? Or maybe is it that I came off 169's down to the 44s?

Try Krux bushings and Khiro soft pivot cups.  I was so confused when I got my Ace's.  The bushings were super hard and the turn was slow and shallow.

I didn't end up keeping the trucks but after swapping the bushings and pivot cups they turned amazingly well
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on March 10, 2016, 08:50:17 AM
Quote from: N.L. on March 10, 2016, 07:39:32 AM
take things of little matter very seriously and shrug of the big things. its all about the fucking trucks...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 10, 2016, 08:51:16 AM
Quote from: N.L. on March 10, 2016, 07:39:32 AM
oh i'm still here, panicking of whether Lee Ralph rides 44s or 55s and if i get 55s should i wait a bit because the hangar width might be� shortened and they might invert the kingpin but what if stage 12s come out this summer? fuck then what do i do? and how will the stage 12s be different to 11s? and then if thunder rehash the 151 christ i'll be incapacitated with indecision, sleepless nights concerned with turning geometry, location of manufacturing, dimensions, bushing quality, kingpin exposure but really i'm a 40 yr old man who slaps curbs and slashes pool coping. why does it even matter? am i just trying to avoid thinking about real shit like money, career, family and my steep demise into ineptitude� and eventual death? what was it all for? how much time did i consume thinking about something so meaningless? but isn't that what the buddhists say, take things of little matter very seriously and shrug of the big things. its all about the fucking trucks...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DXfwUN9M8k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DXfwUN9M8k#)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on March 10, 2016, 04:31:29 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 10, 2016, 08:45:27 AM
Quote from: Spitfire4life on March 10, 2016, 08:38:41 AM
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I'm starting to get a little disappointed with my Ace's. They turn fine, but they don't feel very different than my Indys. Everyone talked about how quickly they turn, but I have to ride it wobbly loose just to get a good enough turn. Should I try some different bushings? Or maybe is it that I came off 169's down to the 44s?
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Try Krux bushings and Khiro soft pivot cups.  I was so confused when I got my Ace's.  The bushings were super hard and the turn was slow and shallow.

I didn't end up keeping the trucks but after swapping the bushings and pivot cups they turned amazingly well

Putting Krux bushings in my aces was the best decision I've ever made. I was having to tighten the nut on my front truck every few minutes to be able to skate them as loose as I wanted until I threw the krux bushings in. Total life changer
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 10, 2016, 06:30:13 PM
Quote from: Cherb on March 10, 2016, 04:31:29 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 10, 2016, 08:45:27 AM
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Quote from: Spitfire4life on March 10, 2016, 08:38:41 AM
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I'm starting to get a little disappointed with my Ace's. They turn fine, but they don't feel very different than my Indys. Everyone talked about how quickly they turn, but I have to ride it wobbly loose just to get a good enough turn. Should I try some different bushings? Or maybe is it that I came off 169's down to the 44s?
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Try Krux bushings and Khiro soft pivot cups.  I was so confused when I got my Ace's.  The bushings were super hard and the turn was slow and shallow.

I didn't end up keeping the trucks but after swapping the bushings and pivot cups they turned amazingly well
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Putting Krux bushings in my aces was the best decision I've ever made. I was having to tighten the nut on my front trunk every few minutes to be able to skate them as loose as I wanted until I threw the krux bushings in. Total life changer

agreed. even if its just the krux top bushing. great combo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 10, 2016, 06:54:45 PM
paritally because of this thread....I've set up a new board....

Ace 44's on an 8.5.....the 8 3/8's is bang on.....

Set up those bones with the built,in spacers and they set up exactly how I wanted....super tight and they spin exactly how new bearings should. I'm stoked....I'm curious how they hold up to me landing primo every 2nd kickflip.....I've had problems w. Axel slip on lots of trucks and my theory is if everything is tighter, it's less likely to happen.

Put on some of those baby risers too just cause I insisted they are a good idea.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: swagdragon123 on March 10, 2016, 07:05:58 PM
too lazy to look back in thread. whats the best argument for 149s over 139 indys?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 10, 2016, 09:33:36 PM
Quote from: swagdragon123 on March 10, 2016, 07:05:58 PM
too lazy to look back in thread. whats the best argument for 149s over 139 indys?

stability vs flipability
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on March 10, 2016, 09:38:40 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 10, 2016, 08:43:29 AM
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Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 10, 2016, 08:22:35 AM
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I went out and got an Indy tattoo so in my mind I could only ride Indys, but then last night I remembered that old pic of Jamie Thomas shaving his head and his Indy tramp stamp and he rides thunders, almost had a breakdown.
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Dying  :D
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(http://cdn.skateboarding.transworld.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/440/files/2011/12/SKB0112_T30_JAM_030_v22-406x600.jpg)

Pretty sure he justifies it now by via being and independant type of dude ;)
Forum Weapon: Woody's Laugh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q9HJJFgrtA#)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 10, 2016, 11:08:17 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 10, 2016, 09:33:36 PM
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too lazy to look back in thread. whats the best argument for 149s over 139 indys?
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stability vs flipability

We've concluded the 149 is definitely larger.....we're not sure by how much....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on March 11, 2016, 07:54:46 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 10, 2016, 08:45:27 AM
Quote from: Spitfire4life on March 10, 2016, 08:38:41 AM
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I'm starting to get a little disappointed with my Ace's. They turn fine, but they don't feel very different than my Indys. Everyone talked about how quickly they turn, but I have to ride it wobbly loose just to get a good enough turn. Should I try some different bushings? Or maybe is it that I came off 169's down to the 44s?
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Try Krux bushings and Khiro soft pivot cups.  I was so confused when I got my Ace's.  The bushings were super hard and the turn was slow and shallow.

I didn't end up keeping the trucks but after swapping the bushings and pivot cups they turned amazingly well
Thanks Steve. I assume I need the large pivot cups?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 11, 2016, 08:46:28 AM
Quote from: Spitfire4life on March 11, 2016, 07:54:46 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 10, 2016, 08:45:27 AM
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I'm starting to get a little disappointed with my Ace's. They turn fine, but they don't feel very different than my Indys. Everyone talked about how quickly they turn, but I have to ride it wobbly loose just to get a good enough turn. Should I try some different bushings? Or maybe is it that I came off 169's down to the 44s?
[close]

Try Krux bushings and Khiro soft pivot cups.  I was so confused when I got my Ace's.  The bushings were super hard and the turn was slow and shallow.

I didn't end up keeping the trucks but after swapping the bushings and pivot cups they turned amazingly well
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Thanks Steve. I assume I need the large pivot cups?

Nope, you'll actually need the small cups - http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3600 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3600)

they fit perfectly in the Ace baseplate
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 11, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
Got some Ace 55's today. Wasn't 100% if they'd fit the shaped deck I wanted and sure enough they line up perfect. Maybe just a hair short, but the 66's were too wide. I'm keeping them stock, for now. I noticed on SoCal Skate Shop that Ace sells aftermarket bushings...haven't seen anyone mention this. I wonder if it's like Indy where their aftermarkets are better quality than stock?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 256 Ply on March 12, 2016, 12:48:09 AM
Quote from: Main on March 11, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
Ace sells aftermarket bushings...haven't seen anyone mention this. I wonder if it's like Indy where their aftermarkets are better quality than stock?

They're the exact same.
There's a contingent of Ace fans that really love the stock bushings (the pivots? not so much). So they decided to offer them separately.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 256 Ply on March 12, 2016, 12:58:26 AM
Anyone try Mini Logo bushings yet?

(http://cdn.minilogoskateboards.com/media/wysiwyg/minilogo/pages/product/bushings.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 12, 2016, 07:20:13 AM
Quote from: 256 Ply on March 12, 2016, 12:58:26 AM
Anyone try Mini Logo bushings yet?

(http://cdn.minilogoskateboards.com/media/wysiwyg/minilogo/pages/product/bushings.jpg)

I haven't but I wonder if it's the same urethane as Bones bushings but without the core and a barrel bottom bushing.  if so, they should be great. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 12, 2016, 11:49:08 AM
Just got back from barrier rituals. Ace's kick ass man. I think I gotta break in the stock bushings a lot more because I could only get that slutty loose turn if I finger tightened the nut, then a couple tiny cranks with a tool to secure the nut from falling off. Any extra cranks and they didn't respond as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 12, 2016, 06:58:48 PM
i lost patience trying to break my ace bushings in. Adding a smaller top bushing was all i needed. i had some old crux bushings in a box and they worked really well.

so, Main, do you mind measuring the axle and hangers on those 55s? curious to see if they measure up as advertised unlike the 44s....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 12, 2016, 07:17:05 PM
Quote from: N.L. on March 12, 2016, 06:58:48 PM
i lost patience trying to break my ace bushings in. Adding a smaller top bushing was all i needed. i had some old crux bushings in a box and they worked really well.

so, Main, do you mind measuring the axle and hangers on those 55s? curious to see if they measure up as advertised unlike the 44s....

I measured them before I bought them and they were nearly a 9" axle. So I think what SoCal Skate Shop lists them as, 8 7/8 (8.875"), is accurate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 13, 2016, 06:14:01 PM
I had another session today in them. Rained a shit ton so I had to drive an hour to an indoor park. Still having issues with my kingpin nut almost falling off in order to keep the desired looseness. I know it was only my second session in them but I'm impatient with breaking in trucks. Some of you mentioned using Krux bushings, are they just softer than Ace's stocks therefore resulting in a better turn? Can I just use Krux bushings without changing the pivot cups and still achieve desired looseness?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on March 13, 2016, 08:19:13 PM
Quote from: Main on March 13, 2016, 06:14:01 PM
I had another session today in them. Rained a shit ton so I had to drive an hour to an indoor park. Still having issues with my kingpin nut almost falling off in order to keep the desired looseness. I know it was only my second session in them but I'm impatient with breaking in trucks. Some of you mentioned using Krux bushings, are they just softer than Ace's stocks therefore resulting in a better turn? Can I just use Krux bushings without changing the pivot cups and still achieve desired looseness?

The top krux bushing is just a little bit shorter than the ace. I'm not sure about the hardness but they feel pretty similar. I'm also still just using the stock ace pivot cups and their working fine for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 13, 2016, 09:56:13 PM
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I had another session today in them. Rained a shit ton so I had to drive an hour to an indoor park. Still having issues with my kingpin nut almost falling off in order to keep the desired looseness. I know it was only my second session in them but I'm impatient with breaking in trucks. Some of you mentioned using Krux bushings, are they just softer than Ace's stocks therefore resulting in a better turn? Can I just use Krux bushings without changing the pivot cups and still achieve desired looseness?
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The top krux bushing is just a little bit shorter than the ace. I'm not sure about the hardness but they feel pretty similar. I'm also still just using the stock ace pivot cups and their working fine for me.

The ace bushings felt rock hard to me.  Krux aren't exactly soft but they have great rebound and are just all around higher quality than the Ace bushings.   You can skate the ace pivot cups until they blow out but you might as well get some Khiro soft small cups to have on hand
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on March 14, 2016, 12:33:04 AM
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The top krux bushing is just a little bit shorter than the ace. I'm not sure about the hardness but they feel pretty similar. I'm also still just using the stock ace pivot cups and their working fine for me.
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The ace bushings felt rock hard to me.  Krux aren't exactly soft but they have great rebound and are just all around higher quality than the Ace bushings.   You can skate the ace pivot cups until they blow out but you might as well get some Khiro soft small cups to have on hand

i felt the same way. everyone i knew who's been on Ace for awhile told me that they get softer but they're really almost like 96A and i didn't even realize that Bones Mediums are that durometer. Honestly haven't gone back to bones and have stucked on Indy Standard Conical Red's. everything else is too hard/tight even if i ride on a couple threads of the nut. I wanna try Bones Soft one more time because Bones does have that broken in feel rather than the mushy feel you get with Indy's till they're fully broken in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 14, 2016, 10:31:12 AM
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The top krux bushing is just a little bit shorter than the ace. I'm not sure about the hardness but they feel pretty similar. I'm also still just using the stock ace pivot cups and their working fine for me.
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The ace bushings felt rock hard to me.  Krux aren't exactly soft but they have great rebound and are just all around higher quality than the Ace bushings.   You can skate the ace pivot cups until they blow out but you might as well get some Khiro soft small cups to have on hand
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i felt the same way. everyone i knew who's been on Ace for awhile told me that they get softer but they're really almost like 96A and i didn't even realize that Bones Mediums are that durometer. Honestly haven't gone back to bones and have stucked on Indy Standard Conical Red's. everything else is too hard/tight even if i ride on a couple threads of the nut. I wanna try Bones Soft one more time because Bones does have that broken in feel rather than the mushy feel you get with Indy's till they're fully broken in.

ACE have changed the bushings a bit from what I can tell. The older ones are more of an off white color whereas the newer ones have a blue-white look to them. The old one were two duros, 94a bottom, 92a top, at least that is what they told me.

Bones Mediums are 91a, softs, 85a.

ACE and Bones softs, man, that's a floopy loose ride...Bones med bottoms and soft tops is nice, Conical Reds are nice as well. Krux in ACE are the bee's knees. To me, they feel best with barrel bottoms, conicals (unless you are riding hard bushings) are just too unstable in them.

That said, I did ride ACE lows with Bones hards and it was awesome ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on March 14, 2016, 10:51:37 PM
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I had another session today in them. Rained a shit ton so I had to drive an hour to an indoor park. Still having issues with my kingpin nut almost falling off in order to keep the desired looseness. I know it was only my second session in them but I'm impatient with breaking in trucks. Some of you mentioned using Krux bushings, are they just softer than Ace's stocks therefore resulting in a better turn? Can I just use Krux bushings without changing the pivot cups and still achieve desired looseness?
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The top krux bushing is just a little bit shorter than the ace. I'm not sure about the hardness but they feel pretty similar. I'm also still just using the stock ace pivot cups and their working fine for me.
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The ace bushings felt rock hard to me.  Krux aren't exactly soft but they have great rebound and are just all around higher quality than the Ace bushings.   You can skate the ace pivot cups until they blow out but you might as well get some Khiro soft small cups to have on hand
Yeah you're right. I went back and felt them and they're definitely a little harder than the krux bushings. The ride with krux bushings feels way better for sure. I was just speaking about the actual feeling of the bushings in your hand.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 15, 2016, 11:46:07 AM
So, are Ace pivot cups medium? hard? Based on what I've read, I'm curious as to why they blow out quicker than other trucks. I'm also heavier so are soft khiro pivot cups even a good idea?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 15, 2016, 12:17:02 PM
Quote from: Main on March 15, 2016, 11:46:07 AM
So, are Ace pivot cups medium? hard? Based on what I've read, I'm curious as to why they blow out quicker than other trucks. I'm also heavier so are soft khiro pivot cups even a good idea?

they're medium to hard.  the ace pivot cups like most stock pivot cups are just a hard plastic.  The Khiro ones are high quality urethane.  I' not sure why they blow out quicker than others but you'll see the quality difference when you swap them out.

I've used the hard and soft ones and honestly I didn't notice a difference. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 15, 2016, 12:33:47 PM
The hards might last longer?

Taken from another forum:

"Soft cups give a more smooth/dampened feel when leaning and turning, but harder ones are more responsive/quicker feeling."

Thing is, the pivot in the chicago style truck doesn't do much but keep metal from grinding on metal, but keeps everything lined up.

It's like bushings...if you ride tight trucks you should use hard bushings not soft and crank them down. Same goes for hard pivots, if you are not carving why would you need soft ones?

Stock thunder cups are fucking hard, indys/Ace are softer, but still shit. The ACE ones blow out so damn fast. theeve has the best cups (plus stock bones so they turn amazing out of he gate). Shorty's cups are also really hard - one can assume the harder cps are also cheaper....

Khiros are also THICKER, meaning they bottom of the pivot doesn't sit as low as the stock/harder counterparts which is why they stick up 2mm or so, pushing the hanger up ;)

(http://www.projetoxpodcast.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/qualeoblog-orgulho-nerd-classico.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 15, 2016, 12:48:58 PM
I think when we start nitpicking pivot cups, we've gone too far.  I just replace the indy ones because I can't handle the squeeking.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 15, 2016, 12:56:40 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 15, 2016, 12:48:58 PM
I think when we start nitpicking pivot cups, we've gone too far.  I just replace the indy ones because I can't handle the squeeking.

We haven't gone too far until we get to axle washer preference. 

I replace the stock indy/thunder ones with Khiro speed rings because they're slightly thicker putting the nut a little more flush with the axle preventing the threads from getting damaged and having to re-thread them later.

that's why I'm insane
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on March 15, 2016, 01:55:54 PM
This thread has reached amazing heights  8)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 15, 2016, 03:35:55 PM
(http://www.projetoxpodcast.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/qualeoblog-orgulho-nerd-classico.jpg)

^yep that's me alright

There's going to be a Truck War episode in this season of Love Letters. I'm already rock hard...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on March 16, 2016, 05:40:46 AM
Question: Installing an indy low kingpin/indy low bushings on a standard indy geometry truck wouldn't work, would it? I don't know what I'm thinking. I guess i'm wondering if I could get even more clearance without having to search out the pieces for the krux dl mod. Are the bottom bushings on the aftermarket lows shorter or is it only the top bushing thats shorter?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 16, 2016, 07:36:21 AM
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I think when we start nitpicking pivot cups, we've gone too far.  I just replace the indy ones because I can't handle the squeeking.
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We haven't gone too far until we get to axle washer preference. 

I replace the stock indy/thunder ones with Khiro speed rings because they're slightly thicker putting the nut a little more flush with the axle preventing the threads from getting damaged and having to re-thread them later.

that's why I'm insane

So far those extended race bearings appear to be the truth.....axel nut is on tighter than ever and the wheel spins faster than ever....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: h00man on March 16, 2016, 01:09:17 PM
I have Indy Koston Hollows with the stock orange bushings, no bottom washer

Does anyone else do this with indy bushings? I decided to take off the bottom washer for some reason, and it works. Feels good but noticed it cracks the bushing quicker. Should I stop being a loser and just put the bottom bushing back on?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on March 16, 2016, 03:05:46 PM
I have my stock indy bushing with some big cracks and I'm thinking in buying some new ones. The problem is that those are de Cylinder ones and I can only find the Conical (Orange) ones to buy here in Portugal. Do you think that it's a huge diference between them? I really love the turning i get with those Cylinder ones. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 16, 2016, 03:32:59 PM
Quote from: Sk.A.T.A.N on March 16, 2016, 03:05:46 PM
I have my stock indy bushing with some big cracks and I'm thinking in buying some new ones. The problem is that those are de Cylinder ones and I can only find the Conical (Orange) ones to buy here in Portugal. Do you think that it's a huge diference between them? I really love the turning i get with those Cylinder ones. 


I've skated both the orange conical and orange cylinder.  The cylinder bottom is a bit more stable and takes more effort to turn deep.  the conical ones are a little less forgiving but turn quicker.

Of the two i currently prefer the conicals
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 16, 2016, 03:33:51 PM
Quote from: h00man on March 16, 2016, 01:09:17 PM
I have Indy Koston Hollows with the stock orange bushings, no bottom washer

Does anyone else do this with indy bushings? I decided to take off the bottom washer for some reason, and it works. Feels good but noticed it cracks the bushing quicker. Should I stop being a loser and just put the bottom bushing back on?

You'll likely crack bushings and break pivot cups more often because it changes the truck's geometry.  I would suggest getting some of the red "soft" bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HyperBeam on March 16, 2016, 06:16:05 PM
not enough pics of ground down trucks in this thread. word to pic ratio way out of proportion
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heritage on March 16, 2016, 06:24:28 PM
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I think when we start nitpicking pivot cups, we've gone too far.  I just replace the indy ones because I can't handle the squeeking.
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We haven't gone too far until we get to axle washer preference. 

I replace the stock indy/thunder ones with Khiro speed rings because they're slightly thicker putting the nut a little more flush with the axle preventing the threads from getting damaged and having to re-thread them later.

that's why I'm insane

LOL Steve! Totally understand what you're saying brother. Gonna nerd out for a second...I am REALLY OCD about using bearing spacers because I want to be able to 'lock' my axle nuts and still have my wheels spin freely. Not all wheels are poured with the same in the bearing seat and if there is too much space in there I actually put a washer on the inside of the wheel, between the spacer and bearing in addition to the washer on the outside. Gives the little extra needed for a perfect seat.  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tracer on March 16, 2016, 06:32:07 PM
You can't even hear squeaking when you're skating so what's the problem?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on March 16, 2016, 07:24:42 PM
Quote from: HyperBeam on March 16, 2016, 06:16:05 PM
not enough pics of ground down trucks in this thread. word to pic ratio way out of proportion

Since no one answered my question from a few pages ago I messeaged Krux and actually got an email back from Ron Whaley. Pretty much just checked to see that your indy trucks could wobble with the downlow kingpin and he seemed pretty positive that it wouldn't be a problem with some JB weld. My trucks are down to the axle and I've gone through a couple kingpins and about 6 kingpin nuts in the past few months, mostly just from them stripping. A nut fell off again last night because it was stripped out, and I'm going through the truck crisis yet again.

I was wondering if any of you have certain things you do to stretch the life of your trucks. My biggest issue is having the kingpin stick up past hanger, which makes smith grinds a nightmare. Its hard to find the point where they will turn like you want them too, without the it sticking up too much. I might just glue the nuts in place and file them down for now, but I plan on trying the Krux kingpins at some point soon

This is probably my favorite thread these days, and I really enjoy reading and seeing photos of peoples truck neuroticism, especially Steve and Xen. Also agree that the word to pic ratio is way off so here are some photos.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/320f29141a101bc8ec3b33198e360ab7/tumblr_o45v72LX3f1unnraco1_540.jpg)
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/cfca55569abe6a4029b9904718d38fbd/tumblr_o45v80ds0r1unnraco1_540.jpg)
Back Truck, Put some indy hard low bushing on top yesterday because the top bushings kept eroding to nothing

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/62b8c80e038aac2af537986de3d31ffc/tumblr_o45vatx76I1unnraco1_540.jpg)
Front

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/c8d028d534b800a80a6d5f7453592b94/tumblr_o45vjq42JD1unnraco1_540.jpg)
Had Problems with trucks sliding side to side too. Not that bad, but slightly frustrating.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/ed8b4feaab3b979678a58e7e93bb06f0/tumblr_o45vbzcAei1unnraco1_540.jpg)
Spare-parts graveyard
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 16, 2016, 08:49:31 PM
Yowza, Crow.  Putting those to good use.

FYI - there isnt any wobble with my downlow Indy's.  PM me your address and I'll send you a set of Indy baseplates with the Krux kingpins ready to go if you want to try them out

On another note, looks like someone else is getting into the downlow business https://www.instagram.com/p/BC9ZI6kwE6a/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BC9ZI6kwE6a/)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 17, 2016, 08:36:31 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 16, 2016, 08:49:31 PM
Yowza, Crow.  Putting those to good use.

FYI - there isnt any wobble with my downlow Indy's.  PM me your address and I'll send you a set of Indy baseplates with the Krux kingpins ready to go if you want to try them out

On another note, looks like someone else is getting into the downlow business https://www.instagram.com/p/BC9ZI6kwE6a/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BC9ZI6kwE6a/)

Flat head on those, probably lower than krux (Krux DL design is weird when it comes to the top washer).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on March 17, 2016, 09:58:19 AM
indy stage 11 raw 139mm, top bushing bones hard, bottom one old destructo orange hard cilinder, that's what works for me since last year
i tried black indy aftermarket barrel bushings and hated them, should have tried the blue (92a) maybe...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HyperBeam on March 17, 2016, 12:45:27 PM
 took out bottom bushing washer thing recently. pretty good ride.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on March 17, 2016, 04:49:19 PM
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I have my stock indy bushing with some big cracks and I'm thinking in buying some new ones. The problem is that those are de Cylinder ones and I can only find the Conical (Orange) ones to buy here in Portugal. Do you think that it's a huge diference between them? I really love the turning i get with those Cylinder ones. 

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I've skated both the orange conical and orange cylinder.  The cylinder bottom is a bit more stable and takes more effort to turn deep.  the conical ones are a little less forgiving but turn quicker.

Of the two i currently prefer the conicals

Well I think I prefer the cylinder then. I'm riding my trucks looser than ever but I rather have more stability than a faster turn. I think they are turning fast enought, and less stability would make me loose some of my flat game ahah. The local shop guy said he will try to order some orange cylinders to me. :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on March 17, 2016, 05:32:27 PM
i rode stock ones for a while in my titaniums and they were fine. when i swithced to orange aftermarket cylinders i felt like they had a little bit quicker rebound. i think youll dig em.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: B-Rad is the Raddest on March 21, 2016, 09:53:07 AM
I put a 78 super soft on the bottom of my trucks and put a 88 soft on top. Both Indy after markets
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FirstBlood82 on March 21, 2016, 03:02:38 PM
am i the only one who rub the bushing back and forth on the grip to wear it down, so i can have the trucks very loose ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 21, 2016, 08:37:36 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Qcf4larl.jpg)

"The major advantage with a Made in USA truck is the metal alloy and casting procedure used in the manufacturing process. We start with melting Prime 356A aluminum ingot, never using recycled or re-melted material. We then pour the molten aluminum using a gravity casting process which allows the metal to naturally flow into the mold, rather than a low pressure or injection molding system, which use additives that weaken the metal. Finally, the trucks are heat treated to T-6 harness for an extremely hard, dense finish. This gives the truck a superior grind and strength qualities only found in a USA made, gravity casted truck."

"In addition, the new Shadows feature 4140 Chromalloy steel axles, 92a barrel/cone bushings and grade 8 hardware. The truck is also equipped with a flip-able kingpin for inverted use, providing less kingpin drag on grinds and is also compatible with all aftermarket inverted kingpins."
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on March 21, 2016, 09:49:15 PM
Quote from: FirstBlood82 on March 21, 2016, 03:02:38 PM
am i the only one who rub the bushing back and forth on the grip to wear it down, so i can have the trucks very loose ?
I never thought of this, but it's a damn good idea. Probably going to try that now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 22, 2016, 06:22:00 AM
Quote from: Main on March 21, 2016, 08:37:36 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Qcf4larl.jpg)

"The major advantage with a Made in USA truck is the metal alloy and casting procedure used in the manufacturing process. We start with melting Prime 356A aluminum ingot, never using recycled or re-melted material. We then pour the molten aluminum using a gravity casting process which allows the metal to naturally flow into the mold, rather than a low pressure or injection molding system, which use additives that weaken the metal. Finally, the trucks are heat treated to T-6 harness for an extremely hard, dense finish. This gives the truck a superior grind and strength qualities only found in a USA made, gravity casted truck."

"In addition, the new Shadows feature 4140 Chromalloy steel axles, 92a barrel/cone bushings and grade 8 hardware. The truck is also equipped with a flip-able kingpin for inverted use, providing less kingpin drag on grinds and is also compatible with all aftermarket inverted kingpins."

I thought about trying these out but my guess is they are insanely heavy.  Love that they come with a flipable kingpin though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 22, 2016, 06:46:09 AM
I think they're going to be better than Indy standards. An oval yoke which will help with deeper turns and a rounded pivot for smoother turning. Not sure if Indy still does the gravity cast method at Ermico either. I'm definitely buying 'em for myself very soon.

I'm curious how securing the flipped kingpin works, as I was with Krux but forgot to mention it. Do you just keep a firm lock with the allen key at the top, while tightening the nut at the baseplate till it doesn't turn anymore, and you don't have to worry about it shaking loose at any point?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 22, 2016, 08:24:43 AM
I don't think they'll be much heavier than indys.....doubt they turn great though....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 22, 2016, 09:03:04 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 22, 2016, 08:24:43 AM
I don't think they'll be much heavier than indys.....doubt they turn great though....

Compared to Ace, they probably won't be a great turn but I think it'll be better than Indy's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 22, 2016, 10:47:11 AM
One thing we have not covered in this extensive truck nerd out is ollie timing. Has anyone else noticed that different trucks ollie different? I always thought this was bullshit but I am getting a way better ollie with Aces (otherwise exact same set up). Next comes Indy and then Thunder. I love Thunder 151s but their position/ Geo whatever fucked with my ollies. Strange but true and I'm sure this is different for everyone... more subjective bullshit but its real...

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 22, 2016, 11:08:46 AM
Quote from: N.L. on March 22, 2016, 10:47:11 AM
One thing we have not covered in this extensive truck nerd out is ollie timing. Has anyone else noticed that different trucks ollie different? I always thought this was bullshit but I am getting a way better ollie with Aces (otherwise exact same set up). Next comes Indy and then Thunder. I love Thunder 151s but their position/ Geo whatever fucked with my ollies. Strange but true and I'm sure this is different for everyone... more subjective bullshit but its real...

Yeah, being a bigger dude I've never had much height on my ollies and never been able to do flips for the most part. I can land a couple here and there but I mostly just skate tranny and grind a lot. I noticed with Ace's, whether it has to do with the height or weight or both, I can ollie higher with less effort. I can actually clear the pyramid with them, too. Definitely wasn't the case with Indy's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on March 22, 2016, 11:30:42 AM
Quote from: Main on March 22, 2016, 11:08:46 AM
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One thing we have not covered in this extensive truck nerd out is ollie timing. Has anyone else noticed that different trucks ollie different? I always thought this was bullshit but I am getting a way better ollie with Aces (otherwise exact same set up). Next comes Indy and then Thunder. I love Thunder 151s but their position/ Geo whatever fucked with my ollies. Strange but true and I'm sure this is different for everyone... more subjective bullshit but its real...
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Yeah, being a bigger dude I've never had much height on my ollies and never been able to do flips for the most part. I can land a couple here and there but I mostly just skate tranny and grind a lot. I noticed with Ace's, whether it has to do with the height or weight or both, I can ollie higher with less effort. I can actually clear the pyramid with them, too. Definitely wasn't the case with Indy's.
I talked about this with friends a while ago. My pseudo scientific explanation is that looser or better turning trucks absorb differently than tighter or bad turning trucks because the tight ones send the energy straight down while the other absorb the force through shifting before hitting the ground.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 22, 2016, 11:48:29 AM
could be. i also think it has to do with axle placement in regards to where it sits on the deck. and the angle of course. Thunder axles are pushed further out towards the tail/nose, indy/ ace sit further in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 22, 2016, 11:59:07 AM
Quote from: N.L. on March 22, 2016, 11:48:29 AM
could be. i also think it has to do with axle placement in regards to where it sits on the deck. and the angle of course. Thunder axles are pushed further out towards the tail/nose, indy/ ace sit further in.

Yeah, I think the axle placement thing could definitely be a factor. It would be rad if Ace, Krux, Thunder, and Indy each put out a video or something that talks about how they came up with the design. I'm thinking the "truck wars" episode that will be on the new season of Loveletters might dive into this? Or at least I hope...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 22, 2016, 12:08:45 PM
obviously the height of a truck impacts the Ollie....but also a trucks geometry affects the wheelbase and the length of the nose and tail..which can change how you Ollie.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on March 22, 2016, 12:36:40 PM
From what I understand the higher the truck the higher the ollie, to a certain point obviously
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 22, 2016, 12:41:14 PM
Truck height and axle placement are a huge factor in ollie effort.  Axle placement is what keeps pulling me back to Thunder over and over.  I've setup identical boards in the past with the only variable being Indy 149 on one setup and Thunder 149 on the other.  I could pop higher on then Thunder setup every single time

At my local park there are a few higher bench/ledges that are a struggle for me to pop onto when I'm skating Indy's and I don't have any issues with Thunders.

You can nerd out on this here - http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2012/03/axle-placement-of-various-trucks.html (http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2012/03/axle-placement-of-various-trucks.html)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fq4An-DEfqc/T8URoZ_4GFI/AAAAAAAAAs8/MCWo3sQAtcg/s1600/149+axle+placement.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Eric ricks on March 22, 2016, 01:51:17 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 22, 2016, 12:41:14 PM
Truck height and axle placement are a huge factor in ollie effort.  Axle placement is what keeps pulling me back to Thunder over and over.  I've setup identical boards in the past with the only variable being Indy 149 on one setup and Thunder 149 on the other.  I could pop higher on then Thunder setup every single time

At my local park there are a few higher bench/ledges that are a struggle for me to pop onto when I'm skating Indy's and I don't have any issues with Thunders.

You can nerd out on this here - http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2012/03/axle-placement-of-various-trucks.html (http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2012/03/axle-placement-of-various-trucks.html)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fq4An-DEfqc/T8URoZ_4GFI/AAAAAAAAAs8/MCWo3sQAtcg/s1600/149+axle+placement.jpg)

Fuck! Thanks for the info!

You got this down to a science!

I ride indys but at 36, a little extra pop sure wouldnt hurt!

Ive rode thunders before but its been like 15 years lol.

How do they turn? Any need to change out bushings etc???
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on March 22, 2016, 02:32:00 PM
Quote from: Eric ricks on March 22, 2016, 01:51:17 PM
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Truck height and axle placement are a huge factor in ollie effort.  Axle placement is what keeps pulling me back to Thunder over and over.  I've setup identical boards in the past with the only variable being Indy 149 on one setup and Thunder 149 on the other.  I could pop higher on then Thunder setup every single time

At my local park there are a few higher bench/ledges that are a struggle for me to pop onto when I'm skating Indy's and I don't have any issues with Thunders.

You can nerd out on this here - http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2012/03/axle-placement-of-various-trucks.html (http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2012/03/axle-placement-of-various-trucks.html)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fq4An-DEfqc/T8URoZ_4GFI/AAAAAAAAAs8/MCWo3sQAtcg/s1600/149+axle+placement.jpg)
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Fuck! Thanks for the info!

You got this down to a science!

I ride indys but at 36, a little extra pop sure wouldnt hurt!

Ive rode thunders before but its been like 15 years lol.

How do they turn? Any need to change out bushings etc???
Just from personal experience and preference, the thunder bushings are the best stock setup. The 149ii's with no bottom washer is the best turning /feeling truck I've ever had. I bought the Thunder 90a rebuild kit and threw the bushings in my Indy's and it was fantastic; way better than the stock indy ones. My only gripe with Thunders is that they're shorter so I have to ride smaller wheels, but IMO it's worth it. Put my Thunders back on until I can get a better bushing/pivot cup combo in my aces.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 22, 2016, 02:48:22 PM
Oh, I've been meaning to ask this, how the hell does one accurately measure truck height?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 22, 2016, 02:51:44 PM
Quote from: Spitfire4life on March 22, 2016, 02:32:00 PM
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Truck height and axle placement are a huge factor in ollie effort. �Axle placement is what keeps pulling me back to Thunder over and over. �I've setup identical boards in the past with the only variable being Indy 149 on one setup and Thunder 149 on the other. �I could pop higher on then Thunder setup every single time

At my local park there are a few higher bench/ledges that are a struggle for me to pop onto when I'm skating Indy's and I don't have any issues with Thunders.

You can nerd out on this here - http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2012/03/axle-placement-of-various-trucks.html (http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2012/03/axle-placement-of-various-trucks.html)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fq4An-DEfqc/T8URoZ_4GFI/AAAAAAAAAs8/MCWo3sQAtcg/s1600/149+axle+placement.jpg)
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Fuck! Thanks for the info!

You got this down to a science!

I ride indys but at 36, a little extra pop sure wouldnt hurt!

Ive rode thunders before but its been like 15 years lol.

How do they turn? Any need to change out bushings etc???
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Just from personal experience and preference, the thunder bushings are the best stock setup. The 149ii's with no bottom washer is the best turning /feeling truck I've ever had. I bought the Thunder 90a rebuild kit and threw the bushings in my Indy's and it was fantastic; way better than the stock indy ones. My only gripe with Thunders is that they're shorter so I have to ride smaller wheels, but IMO it's worth it. Put my Thunders back on until I can get a better bushing/pivot cup combo in my aces.

Disclaimer:  That's not my graph.  It was created by the dude who runs that blog and I believe posts on slap now and then.

I had a crisis with Thunders for a long time.  I would constantly get wheelbite.  The only way I could avoid it was putting in the 100a rebuild kit.  I'm not sure if I just got used to them but the stock white bushings work perfectly for me now.

They key is to spend a couple days breaking in the stock bushings.  They will be super soft and mushy at first but on day 3 they actually firm up and have great rebound.

You will absolutely get more wheelbite than Indy's because Thunder's are lower and have a sharper turning radius.  If I'm just skating street it's worth it for me simply because I can pop better with them and my 34 year old legs need all the help they can get  :)

I now have a thunder setup and an indy setup and I love both for different reasons
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 22, 2016, 02:52:17 PM
Quote from: Main on March 22, 2016, 02:48:22 PM
Oh, I've been meaning to ask this, how the hell does one accurately measure truck height?

Bottom of the baseplate to the middle of the axle
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 22, 2016, 02:58:15 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 22, 2016, 02:52:17 PM
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Oh, I've been meaning to ask this, how the hell does one accurately measure truck height?
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Bottom of the baseplate to the middle of the axle

Gotcha. Do you just put the baseplate on a flat surface and go from the flat surface up to the middle of the axle?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 22, 2016, 03:09:12 PM
Quote from: Main on March 22, 2016, 02:58:15 PM
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Oh, I've been meaning to ask this, how the hell does one accurately measure truck height?
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Bottom of the baseplate to the middle of the axle
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Gotcha. Do you just put the baseplate on a flat surface and go from the flat surface up to the middle of the axle?

I've actually never measured them myself.  You can find out the height or pretty much any truck here - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 22, 2016, 03:11:41 PM
BMC steve I have the opposite deal. Thunders weakened my ollies. Ace increased them. I think its less to do with height and more to do with axle location/ geo, in my case.

the dude who created that chart is certifiably insane.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on March 22, 2016, 03:26:46 PM
Quote from: Spitfire4life on March 21, 2016, 09:49:15 PM
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am i the only one who rub the bushing back and forth on the grip to wear it down, so i can have the trucks very loose ?
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I never thought of this, but it's a damn good idea. Probably going to try that now.
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on March 22, 2016, 03:32:51 PM
Quote from: Spitfire4life on March 21, 2016, 09:49:15 PM
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am i the only one who rub the bushing back and forth on the grip to wear it down, so i can have the trucks very loose ?
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I never thought of this, but it's a damn good idea. Probably going to try that now.
Jordan Trahan actually does this too, he rides suuper loose
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 22, 2016, 04:10:46 PM
Quote from: N.L. on March 22, 2016, 03:11:41 PM
BMC steve I have the opposite deal. Thunders weakened my ollies. Ace increased them. I think its less to do with height and more to do with axle location/ geo, in my case.

the dude who created that chart is certifiably insane.

Yes, but a god amongst men...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on March 22, 2016, 04:14:56 PM
Matt Rodriguez talking about his truck set-up, so fuckin loose  :o
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge7SX6YR_04 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge7SX6YR_04#)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 22, 2016, 06:34:10 PM
Man I'm full of questions today. Is it normal for Ace's to wear down quicker than other trucks? I feel like with the softer metal mine are already shredding down fast even after just a handful of sessions...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 22, 2016, 06:43:03 PM
Quote from: Main on March 22, 2016, 06:34:10 PM
Man I'm full of questions today. Is it normal for Ace's to wear down quicker than other trucks? I feel like with the softer metal mine are already shredding down fast even after just a handful of sessions...

Yes. I've noticed the same. Could be the metal, could also be the shape of the hanger.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on March 22, 2016, 06:53:16 PM
Rumor has it back in the day Danny Sargent(maybe wrong spelling) ground a set of Indy's to the axle in one day 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on March 22, 2016, 07:42:35 PM
i just got done with some back and forth emailing with nhs and now i'm sending in my broken indy hollows for new ones, which i'm hyped on since so far they have been my favorite trucks so far, they just make flipping the board easier and are at just the right height. but for now i'll go back to some thunders i got, might try the thunder hollow lights one of these days.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Eric ricks on March 22, 2016, 08:10:18 PM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on March 22, 2016, 06:53:16 PM
Rumor has it back in the day Danny Sargent(maybe wrong spelling) ground a set of Indy's to the axle in one day 

Thats one heck of a slappy session! Yeah Danny!!!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 22, 2016, 08:28:59 PM
Quote from: ducky darnsworth on March 22, 2016, 07:42:35 PM
i just got done with some back and forth emailing with nhs and now i'm sending in my broken indy hollows for new ones, which i'm hyped on since so far they have been my favorite trucks so far, they just make flipping the board easier and are at just the right height. but for now i'll go back to some thunders i got, might try the thunder hollow lights one of these days.

Part of the reason why I've never messed with hollow anything. I also feel like they'd feel...well....hollow. Like a dead weight instead of a solid one, even if it's heavy I don't care. I need life in my trucks! Hope those replacements work out for ya though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on March 23, 2016, 12:51:00 PM
Procrastinated on ordering some Krux downlow kingpins, and now they seem to be sold out everywhere I check. Anybody have a link? Much appreciated if so.
EDIT. 35th had some, but shipping was about $6.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 23, 2016, 02:09:13 PM
Quote from: Crow T. Robot on March 23, 2016, 12:51:00 PM
Procrastinated on ordering some Krux downlow kingpins, and now they seem to be sold out everywhere I check. Anybody have a link? Much appreciated if so.
EDIT. 35th had some, but shipping was about $6.

I was gonna link to NHS directly and then SoCal Skate Shop but both are sold out. $6 ain't the end of the world though, if you don't wanna wait I'd just go with that option.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 24, 2016, 08:08:26 PM
This thread needs more photos. 151, 159, 55 in various stages of use...
(http://i67.tinypic.com/4qonwi.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 24, 2016, 08:42:40 PM
Nice job man!  I see some axle peeking through on those Thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 24, 2016, 09:25:50 PM
Given an hour or two I can ollie the same height riding pretty much any truck (5 decks).

I find that stability/lower trucks is what allows me to ollie better as I have more time to setup and get ready to pop. In a straight line, on even terrain anyway.

I find the 55mm truck group Indys/Ace/Krux take more effort to get ready to ollie (I ride loose and they are carvy).

Don't ride Gullwing. Just. Don't.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: troy on March 24, 2016, 10:22:55 PM
i know its all mental but does anyone skate tranny with 139s? or is it generally 149s and up
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 24, 2016, 10:28:52 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 24, 2016, 09:25:50 PM
Don't ride Gullwing. Just. Don't.

Duane Peters, Shaun Ross, Craig Questions, most of Barrier Kult, Kristian Svitak, Mark Lake, and many others skate them.

Why don't you like Gullwing, Xen? Just curious.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 24, 2016, 10:50:38 PM
I just remember pro 3's turning really wide....seemed like the ultimate vert truck....no need to carve.   Skated the shadow in the Hensley days and didn't like them that much....same deal...felt like venture highs....

The ...such and such skate them...argument only holds so much water....ie. Tensor....

It's just preference in turning though, I bet quality wise they are fine...weight is relative....I bet a pro three weighs as much as an Indy. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 25, 2016, 08:39:24 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 24, 2016, 08:42:40 PM
Nice job man!  I see some axle peeking through on those Thunders

Yeah, the Thunders are just about at axle but not sure when I'll use them again. Going to keep them though. Might be the last ones with a 'usa' stamp on the bottom...?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 25, 2016, 10:27:17 AM
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Ace mag places, new reinforced hangers (thanks BMC), Krux pins/bushings.

Picked up some JB weld steel stick (it's an epoxy putty, slice a bit off, squish it around until the colors are mixed then squish it in the cracks, works just like I expected (didn't want the goopy epoxy all over the place). Stuffs hard as a rock and keeps the nut from spinning or falling out of place if I need to loosen/swap bushings or whatever.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chillclinton87 on March 25, 2016, 03:04:24 PM
anybody know the durometer of the stock thunder bushings? need to order some new ones due to cold winter and a non existing heating unit in our indoor park!

thanks....and sorry for throwing in random questions but did not want to create a new thread!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stanley Spadowski on March 25, 2016, 03:09:25 PM
Quote from: chillclinton87 on March 25, 2016, 03:04:24 PM
anybody know the durometer of the stock thunder bushings? need to order some new ones due to cold winter and a non existing heating unit in our indoor park!

thanks....and sorry for throwing in random questions but did not want to create a new thread!
90a
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chillclinton87 on March 25, 2016, 03:23:27 PM
Quote from: Stanley Spadowski on March 25, 2016, 03:09:25 PM
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anybody know the durometer of the stock thunder bushings? need to order some new ones due to cold winter and a non existing heating unit in our indoor park!

thanks....and sorry for throwing in random questions but did not want to create a new thread!
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90a

stanley, thank you for the quick reply!

i really could not skate with stock bushings for the last 3- 5 years, but one day i had a maybe defective set of bones mediums that were unusually hard, so i had to try the thunder stocks again and i never went back. i skate them flush with both washers maybe a lil more lose if it is colder over time. now after winter is pretty much over hopefully i found myself riding rockhard bushings without ever tightening my trucks during winter wich is crazy. i lost all my fliptricks being stuck at the indoor park and the trucks/ bushings not doing what i am used to fucked with my head heavy.

but now i flipped through a couple pages of this thread and i do not feel alone anymore!

thanks pals!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 26, 2016, 08:12:27 AM
Quote from: Stanley Spadowski on March 25, 2016, 03:09:25 PM
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anybody know the durometer of the stock thunder bushings? need to order some new ones due to cold winter and a non existing heating unit in our indoor park!

thanks....and sorry for throwing in random questions but did not want to create a new thread!
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90a

Except the white ones feel waaaaay softer for some reason!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on March 26, 2016, 08:21:01 AM
Just to nerd out on it, who manufactures certain bushings?, I bet Thunder and Indy aftermarkets are made by the same and perhaps Krux is the same too?, never seen Krux but the Thunder and Indy ones look/feel very similar to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 26, 2016, 04:47:23 PM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on March 26, 2016, 08:21:01 AM
Just to nerd out on it, who manufactures certain bushings?, I bet Thunder and Indy aftermarkets are made by the same and perhaps Krux is the same too?, never seen Krux but the Thunder and Indy ones look/feel very similar to me.

Krux and Indy aftermarkets are the same.  Thunder stock and aftermarket are both different.  you can tell this because Indy aftermarket/krux are cnc precision cut whereas all thunder (and stock indy) are molded
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 26, 2016, 07:22:36 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 26, 2016, 04:47:23 PM
aftermarket/krux are cnc precision cut whereas all thunder (and stock indy) are molded

What exactly does this mean? Are stock bushings on most trucks shitty because they use a low quality urethane?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 26, 2016, 09:35:36 PM
I'm riding 129s with blue Indy barrels. I put mini logo pivot cups in these, they're garbage. Quiet, but still garbage.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 26, 2016, 10:59:32 PM
Quote from: Main on March 26, 2016, 07:22:36 PM
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aftermarket/krux are cnc precision cut whereas all thunder (and stock indy) are molded
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What exactly does this mean? Are stock bushings on most trucks shitty because they use a low quality urethane?

That is why most stock bushings suck.  The urethane is lower quality and has poor rebound.  Regarding the cut differences, look at the bottoms of stock indy or thunder bushings and then look at the stock krux or aftermarket indy.  you'll see the circles where they quality bushings were CNC cut versus a sloppy mold
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on March 27, 2016, 01:59:42 AM
Quote from: Main on March 22, 2016, 08:28:59 PM
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i just got done with some back and forth emailing with nhs and now i'm sending in my broken indy hollows for new ones, which i'm hyped on since so far they have been my favorite trucks so far, they just make flipping the board easier and are at just the right height. but for now i'll go back to some thunders i got, might try the thunder hollow lights one of these days.
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Part of the reason why I've never messed with hollow anything. I also feel like they'd feel...well....hollow. Like a dead weight instead of a solid one, even if it's heavy I don't care. I need life in my trucks! Hope those replacements work out for ya though.
it just makes me think i can flip my board better, and i like the lower ride height and it makes the board feel more even, but either way i sent it in a few days ago so i'll see how this pans out, the regular thunders in the mean time is working out pretty good though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on March 27, 2016, 08:49:25 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 26, 2016, 10:59:32 PM
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aftermarket/krux are cnc precision cut whereas all thunder (and stock indy) are molded
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What exactly does this mean? Are stock bushings on most trucks shitty because they use a low quality urethane?
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That is why most stock bushings suck.  The urethane is lower quality and has poor rebound.  Regarding the cut differences, look at the bottoms of stock indy or thunder bushings and then look at the stock krux or aftermarket indy.  you'll see the circles where they quality bushings were CNC cut versus a sloppy mold
ahh good observatition, I did notice that my aftermarket Thunders are molded also, but seem to much higher quality urethane than the clear/jelly looking stock ones, seen some reeeeeeal sloppy bushings in Thunders at shops before. Bones are CNC cut too correct? Will CNC always be better than molded, my Thunder aftermarkets seem to ride pretty much the same as my aftermarket Indy's of the same Duro.
Are all bushings made in China? I can't see any "made in" info on my old packaging
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stanley Spadowski on March 27, 2016, 09:20:29 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 26, 2016, 10:59:32 PM
That is why most stock bushings suck.  The urethane is lower quality and has poor rebound.
I gotta disagree with this. I've been skating stock Thunder bushings for about a year an a half, and they're perfect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 27, 2016, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: Stanley Spadowski on March 27, 2016, 09:20:29 AM
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I gotta disagree with this. I've been skating stock Thunder bushings for about a year an a half, and they're perfect.

You're right, the Thunder stock white bushings are great.  They're the only thing I skate in my thunders now that I've learned how to properly break in bushings.  The stock thunder clear yellow ones are pretty terrible though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on March 28, 2016, 12:01:17 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 27, 2016, 09:31:37 PM
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That is why most stock bushings suck.  The urethane is lower quality and has poor rebound.
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I gotta disagree with this. I've been skating stock Thunder bushings for about a year an a half, and they're perfect.
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You're right, the Thunder stock white bushings are great.  They're the only thing I skate in my thunders now that I've learned how to properly break in bushings.  The stock thunder clear yellow ones are pretty terrible though

yeah i've wrote on here before that i was a big fan of bones mediums in thunders. last year something made me get the rebuild kit (95 duro) and i feel in love.. tried the yellowish/clear ones and they were TOO soft for me. i dig the aftermarket ones.. never tried the white ones
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on March 28, 2016, 12:55:43 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 27, 2016, 09:31:37 PM
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That is why most stock bushings suck.  The urethane is lower quality and has poor rebound.
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I gotta disagree with this. I've been skating stock Thunder bushings for about a year an a half, and they're perfect.
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You're right, the Thunder stock white bushings are great.  They're the only thing I skate in my thunders now that I've learned how to properly break in bushings.  The stock thunder clear yellow ones are pretty terrible though

Is there a certain method to breaking them in better? I've always just installed them and let it ride. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 28, 2016, 04:34:12 AM
Quote from: franquietits on March 28, 2016, 12:55:43 AM
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That is why most stock bushings suck.  The urethane is lower quality and has poor rebound.
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I gotta disagree with this. I've been skating stock Thunder bushings for about a year an a half, and they're perfect.
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You're right, the Thunder stock white bushings are great.  They're the only thing I skate in my thunders now that I've learned how to properly break in bushings.  The stock thunder clear yellow ones are pretty terrible though
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Is there a certain method to breaking them in better? I've always just installed them and let it ride. 

Basically force yourself to skate them really loose for 2-3 days mostly cruising/carving around and then tighten them to your preferred tightness. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on March 28, 2016, 05:11:21 AM
Jason Adams said doing slappies is a good way to break in new trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on March 28, 2016, 01:10:23 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 27, 2016, 09:31:37 PM
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That is why most stock bushings suck.  The urethane is lower quality and has poor rebound.
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I gotta disagree with this. I've been skating stock Thunder bushings for about a year an a half, and they're perfect.
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You're right, the Thunder stock white bushings are great.  They're the only thing I skate in my thunders now that I've learned how to properly break in bushings.  The stock thunder clear yellow ones are pretty terrible though
I don't remember where I read it (might have actually been Reed/Lenny, can't remember though) but they said that all of the stock thunder bushings are the same duro. I've only ridden the yellowish clear ones, and some aftermarket ones, but if all the stocks are the same duro, shouldn't they all feel the same? I can't imagine they would purposefully make some stock ones better than others. Would the dye (or whatever they use to change the color) have anything to do with it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 28, 2016, 01:24:47 PM
Quote from: Spitfire4life on March 28, 2016, 01:10:23 PM
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That is why most stock bushings suck.  The urethane is lower quality and has poor rebound.
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I gotta disagree with this. I've been skating stock Thunder bushings for about a year an a half, and they're perfect.
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You're right, the Thunder stock white bushings are great.  They're the only thing I skate in my thunders now that I've learned how to properly break in bushings.  The stock thunder clear yellow ones are pretty terrible though
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I don't remember where I read it (might have actually been Reed/Lenny, can't remember though) but they said that all of the stock thunder bushings are the same duro. I've only ridden the yellowish clear ones, and some aftermarket ones, but if all the stocks are the same duro, shouldn't they all feel the same? I can't imagine they would purposefully make some stock ones better than others. Would the dye (or whatever they use to change the color) have anything to do with it?

The white ones and the clear yellow ones might be the same duro (duro measurements for both bushings and wheels are notoriously inaccurate in skateboarding) but the yellow bushings are without a doubt more mushy and have less rebound than the white ones.  No idea if that has anything to do with clear vs solid colored urethane or what.

Ripped laces noted the same thing http://www.rippedlaces.com/2014/04/yes-the-new-thunder-149ii-is-different-better/ (http://www.rippedlaces.com/2014/04/yes-the-new-thunder-149ii-is-different-better/)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 29, 2016, 06:39:43 AM
Anyone have any experience with Indy's aftermarket pivot cups and can compare them to Khiro's?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 29, 2016, 08:31:20 AM
Quote from: Main on March 29, 2016, 06:39:43 AM
Anyone have any experience with Indy's aftermarket pivot cups and can compare them to Khiro's?

If you have stage 11's the aftermarket pivot cups are exactly the same as stock.  They're a hard plastic whereas Khiro are urethane.  Khiro's are higher quality but they don't fit 100% correctly and push the hanger up 1-2mm so I don't use them in Indy's.  Plenty of people do and love them though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 29, 2016, 08:33:40 AM
Also, if you're looking to get the best set of pivot cups for Indy's, here ya go http://www.riptidesports.com/indy-cracked-ice/ (http://www.riptidesports.com/indy-cracked-ice/)

They aren't cheap  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 29, 2016, 08:54:16 AM
$14 for pivot cups...

Seems like the stock Ace ones have improved. Steve, are they plastic or urethane, do you know?

Also stock Ace bushings seem to be really good quality these days. I had to sand down the tops to get a looser turn and they're perhaps a tad too hard for my tastes but with warmer weather coming thats OK.

Also a big fan of the white stock Thunders, like other people mentioned.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 29, 2016, 09:17:09 AM
Hmm...think I may just not mess with the pivot cups then. Never did before and never broke any, but when someone mentioned those Khiro softs in Ace's I figured maybe trying them but nevermind if they're gonna fit weird.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 29, 2016, 09:53:28 AM
Quote from: N.L. on March 29, 2016, 08:54:16 AM
$14 for pivot cups...

Seems like the stock Ace ones have improved. Steve, are they plastic or urethane, do you know?

Also stock Ace bushings seem to be really good quality these days. I had to sand down the tops to get a looser turn and they're perhaps a tad too hard for my tastes but with warmer weather coming thats OK.

Also a big fan of the white stock Thunders, like other people mentioned.

The stock Ace ones are plastic as well.  Plastic isn't actually bad to use for pivot cups.  It just depends on the molds and quality of plastic used.  Plastic will be less likely to deform than urethane (see the comments from Xen and I regarding Krux stock pivot cups which are urethane).

Basically a hard plastic pivot cup can crack and blow out.  Urethane pivot cups will wear gradually and create slop.  I personally think it's more important to use something that doesn't change the geometry of the pivot which is why I use the stock indy and thunder cups. 

On Ace trucks the Khiro's stick up a bit but the actual depth is the same as the stock cups unlike Indy.  We're literally only talking 1-2 mm here so It likely doesn't matter at all similar to how using Bones bushings can slightly alter the geometry of a truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 29, 2016, 09:06:08 PM
Big news in the truck world today:

Ace is buying out Venture and will now be Ace Ventura.

Krux is buying Tracker and now they'll be Kracker trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 30, 2016, 07:12:02 AM
 :o Two good trucks taking a turn for the worse.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on March 30, 2016, 08:30:17 AM
is it bad to stock up on things like bushings and pivot cups? I've noticed with bushings there's an oily goop on them when they're new. wondering if they'll dry out if you have them in storage for a long time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 30, 2016, 11:25:18 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on March 30, 2016, 08:30:17 AM
is it bad to stock up on things like bushings and pivot cups? I've noticed with bushings there's an oily goop on them when they're new. wondering if they'll dry out if you have them in storage for a long time.

Hmm not sure what bushings you have with that but they shouldnt have any oil or goop on them.  One time like 10 years ago I made the mistake of putting speed cream on my bushings and it made the board almost impossible to skate.  I had to take them off and wipe both the bushings and trucks down with rubbing alcohol

I do however put a drop or two of oil in my pivot cups which helps them break in faster, last longer and squeak less
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UserFame on March 30, 2016, 02:25:27 PM
I have some Indy trucks, will my skating experience really improve if I put some Bones bushings on them?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on March 30, 2016, 05:49:35 PM
Quote from: UserFame on March 30, 2016, 02:25:27 PM
I have some Indy trucks, will my skating experience really improve if I put some Bones bushings on them?

Only if you use the top bushing on the bottom and the bottom on the top.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shitdick22 on March 30, 2016, 08:08:06 PM
Tensor baseplates
Thunder Hangers
Pivot cup doesn't fit so its wobbly and keeps me on my toes
3 bones soft bushings all broken
1 normal tensor bushing so my back truck is a little tighter

None of my friends can ride my board
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on March 30, 2016, 08:37:00 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 30, 2016, 11:25:18 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on March 30, 2016, 08:30:17 AM
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is it bad to stock up on things like bushings and pivot cups? I've noticed with bushings there's an oily goop on them when they're new. wondering if they'll dry out if you have them in storage for a long time.
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Hmm not sure what bushings you have with that but they shouldnt have any oil or goop on them.  One time like 10 years ago I made the mistake of putting speed cream on my bushings and it made the board almost impossible to skate.  I had to take them off and wipe both the bushings and trucks down with rubbing alcohol

I do however put a drop or two of oil in my pivot cups which helps them break in faster, last longer and squeak less

"Goop" was not a good choice of word on my part. The Indy aftermarkets I've bought all had a film of some kind of oil, I assume to keep them from drying out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UserFame on March 31, 2016, 12:33:57 AM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on March 30, 2016, 05:49:35 PM
Quote from: UserFame on March 30, 2016, 02:25:27 PM
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I have some Indy trucks, will my skating experience really improve if I put some Bones bushings on them?

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Only if you use the top bushing on the bottom and the bottom on the top.

ok, but will it me a much better experience if if I put them Bones?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on March 31, 2016, 01:27:05 AM
man my dumbass mailed the trucks in a week ago almost, and i didn't even include a note or what my address was in the email so they knew what box, so now i have to email them again to see whats up. also thank you steve, i never even thought about putting some oil in the pivot cups, it's threads and stuff like this that makes you realize all the small details that goes into everything, it's crazy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dima on April 01, 2016, 11:17:28 AM
I am having a serious truck crisis, been skating the standard stage 11 indys on 8.25 board but been lately missing for more lightness so been thinking about sizing down to 8.1 but then I dont know what hell to ride truck wise.

Been thinking about forged 139 indys cause they are slightly lower and lighter than what I am riding but people been sayin they function different because of the forging and a stiffer kingpin.

Then been thinking about 147 regular thunders but scared that they are too low cause I like my trucks medium loose so wheelbite cause they only 49.something millimeters high.

I have skated 149 indys on a 8.1 before and that was alright so thought about the thunder 149 2s cause they are bit higher than the regular thunders.

Any long term indy users who have made the switch to thunders, does the change in wheelbase and the height make a big difference?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 01, 2016, 11:29:25 AM
Quote from: Dima on April 01, 2016, 11:17:28 AM
I am having a serious truck crisis, been skating the standard stage 11 indys on 8.25 board but been lately missing for more lightness so been thinking about sizing down to 8.1 but then I dont know what hell to ride truck wise.

Been thinking about forged 139 indys cause they are slightly lower and lighter than what I am riding but people been sayin they function different because of the forging and a stiffer kingpin.

Then been thinking about 147 regular thunders but scared that they are too low cause I like my trucks medium loose so wheelbite cause they only 49.something millimeters high.

I have skated 149 indys on a 8.1 before and that was alright so thought about the thunder 149 2s cause they are bit higher than the regular thunders.

Any long term indy users who have made the switch to thunders, does the change in wheelbase and the height make a big difference?

I can't imagine forged Indy's functioning any different than standard Indy's.  We're only talking about 1.5mm.  Not sure what the "stiffer kingpin" is in reference too but the kingpins are the same

I go back and forth between Indy and Thunder 149's.  Right now I'm skating the Thunder's on a, 8.38 / 14.25" WB deck.  I feel off when I do this with Indy's but for some reason it's been perfect with my Thunders.

Heritage skates 149 Thunders on 8.1 decks but I couldn't personally do it.  The Thunder 147's are too low for me.

I suggest going with 139 Indy's
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dima on April 01, 2016, 12:11:27 PM
yeah I feel like getting bit closer to the ground so that 1,5mm and 52s instead of 53s should take care of that.

Dunno how trustworthy this is but anyways : http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.fi/2012/06/149-truck-comparison-test-final-results_04.html (http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.fi/2012/06/149-truck-comparison-test-final-results_04.html)

"Independent 149 Forged Hollow Stage X Mark II - The Indy Forged Hollow (FH) trucks are the strict disciplinarians of the truck world. The Indy FHs harshly punish you when you don't flick just right, or don't tap just right, or turn just a little off, or don't land squarely on the bolts. The forged baseplates and stiffer kingpin remove all slop from the trucks. These trucks will throw you off your board unless you are a perfectionist in feet placement and body position. As promised, the Indy FHs feel light and responsive. Adjusting lines, however, is only moderately quick, mainly because of the lower height and subsequent tendency to wheelbite."

But I do agree that the regular thunder 147 at the 49mm height is too low and everyones board who skates has pretty tight trucks so maybe that is for a reason cause them fuckers so low.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on April 01, 2016, 12:39:44 PM
Quote from: Dima on April 01, 2016, 11:17:28 AM

Any long term indy users who have made the switch to thunders, does the change in wheelbase and the height make a big difference?

I skated indy for years, then thunder for years, then indy for years...then about a year ago I stripped the axl on a set of indys and tried thunders again.  I feel like I was always adjusting/experimenting with the thunders (i.e. trying new hangers, trying Titantium/hollow/combos) to get them to feel just right.  and if I was still skating em, I'd probably be posting in this thread all the time.

the height definitely made a different to me (and the turn)...I got wheelbite all the time with 52mm and even considered going down to 50mm wheels to avoid it.  with Indys, I skate em really loose with 52mm and only get wheelbite when I really land wonky on the board.

long and short of it...I went back to Indys at the start of winter...and I haven't messed with them or thought about trucks since.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on April 01, 2016, 01:06:42 PM
Before and After
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/3d09548123b5c8a5cae1c7b2903b840c/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco1_540.jpg)
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/8227ff7fce945e11b9ec2325dd4b06da/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco3_540.jpg)
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/4033adec5d78035a50fae9cf5551dcbb/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco2_540.jpg)
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/b55507bfb741b356bef2e31abf07e967/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco4_540.jpg)
So clearence wise the krux kingpin didn't make too big of a difference, but I did notice that it is way more forgiving on grinds then my regular kingpin. If i dipped a grind a bit too much on the wrong ledge the kingpin nut would dig in and I'd hang up, but thats not a problem with the krux's. Kind of just grind smoothly over most stuff, so its worth it just not having to worry about that anymore.
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/425e67f2ec1f16b19b06a9a937e818b0/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco5_540.jpg)
JB Weld didn't work as well as I expected, but thats probably because I set my trucks up to wobble, and its about 40F degrees outside. One nut came completely loose and I had to peel all the epoxy out and reset it. Wasn't that difficult to do though. There is still a tiny bit of wobble in each kingpin but that doesn't really bother me.
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/bedec79254b7611ac5e476bc3cd1d6b1/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco6_540.jpg)
Realized there was a crack in my back hangar. Don't think it will do much but I put a bunch of JB weld over it to keep it from spreading.

EDIT: Got to skate a box and bank to parking block last night. Smiths and feebles felt perfect. Highly recommend the kingpins after that session.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Randozzi on April 01, 2016, 01:12:02 PM
Are you skating one of the Porous Walker Anti-Hero decks?

Nice job on the trucks by the way. You're dedication to riding that pair til death is admirable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on April 01, 2016, 02:17:34 PM
Quote from: Randozzi on April 01, 2016, 01:12:02 PM
Are you skating one of the Porous Walker Anti-Hero decks?

Nice job on the trucks by the way. You're dedication to riding that pair til death is admirable.
Yeah, those graphics are pretty crazy. Don't know much about the artist, but my friend said his instagram is pretty funny too.

Its a bit less riding trucks to death, and more not wanting to buy and ride brand new trucks. Might as well get the most out of them, but I am looking forward to trying out some Ace 44's after this.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Randozzi on April 01, 2016, 02:22:51 PM
Nice! He's a friend, stoked to see people skating them.

If you dig wobbly Indy's you'll like Ace, according to everyone I've talked with about them. Never skated a pair myself. Pretty happy with the stage 11's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 01, 2016, 05:03:53 PM
Not sure by how much...one thing to consider w. Ace is there is less truck than an Indy.....looks like you grind a bit...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on April 02, 2016, 03:28:38 PM
Yeah, and it sounds like the metal may be a bit softer, so I'm not expecting them to last as long as Indy's. I just went through this entire thread and couldn't find it, but I read somewhere that Aces are the best for wobbly trucks, all the rattle, but less wheel bite and more stability than wobbly Indy's. That pretty much sold me. Brand new with the right bushings, wobbly Indy's can feel great and really stable, but over time they lose a lot of stability and blow out a lot easier.
Won't have a problem switching back to Independent, but I'm really looking forward to trying Aces. Even if I don't like them for my regular setup I'll throw them on cruiser.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 02, 2016, 04:05:40 PM
^This is the second or third time now where I've watched your signature of Strange carving that pool for a good two minutes or more. He did that riding Ace's too ;)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 02, 2016, 05:23:21 PM
Quote from: Crow T. Robot on April 02, 2016, 03:28:38 PM
Yeah, and it sounds like the metal may be a bit softer, so I'm not expecting them to last as long as Indy's. I just went through this entire thread and couldn't find it, but I read somewhere that Aces are the best for wobbly trucks, all the rattle, but less wheel bite and more stability than wobbly Indy's. That pretty much sold me. Brand new with the right bushings, wobbly Indy's can feel great and really stable, but over time they lose a lot of stability and blow out a lot easier. I put wheel wells through an entire ply once.
Won't have a problem switching back to Independent, but I'm really looking forward to trying Aces. Even if I don't like them for my regular setup I'll throw them on cruiser.

If you like loose Indys you love Aces. But the transition between the two different trucks is pretty easy. Ace are lower but for some reason I get less wheelbite.... I'm pretty hooked on them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 02, 2016, 10:25:07 PM
Yep....ace are the craziest truck out there....you wanna break out the slalom cones....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 02, 2016, 10:51:44 PM
Quote from: Crow T. Robot on April 01, 2016, 01:06:42 PM
Before and After
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/3d09548123b5c8a5cae1c7b2903b840c/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco1_540.jpg)
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/8227ff7fce945e11b9ec2325dd4b06da/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco3_540.jpg)
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/4033adec5d78035a50fae9cf5551dcbb/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco2_540.jpg)
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/b55507bfb741b356bef2e31abf07e967/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco4_540.jpg)
So clearence wise the krux kingpin didn't make too big of a difference, but I did notice that it is way more forgiving on grinds then my regular kingpin. If i dipped a grind a bit too much on the wrong ledge the kingpin nut would dig in and I'd hang up, but thats not a problem with the krux's. Kind of just grind smoothly over most stuff, so its worth it just not having to worry about that anymore.
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/425e67f2ec1f16b19b06a9a937e818b0/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco5_540.jpg)
JB Weld didn't work as well as I expected, but thats probably because I set my trucks up to wobble, and its about 40F degrees outside. One nut came completely loose and I had to peel all the epoxy out and reset it. Wasn't that difficult to do though. There is still a tiny bit of wobble in each kingpin but that doesn't really bother me.
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/bedec79254b7611ac5e476bc3cd1d6b1/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco6_540.jpg)
Realized there was a crack in my back hangar. Don't think it will do much but I put a bunch of JB weld over it to keep it from spreading.

EDIT: Got to skate a box and bank to parking block last night. Smiths and feebles felt perfect. Highly recommend the kingpins after that session.

(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii285/wmspins/futurama-fry-meme-generator-not-sure-if-serious-or-just-trolling-104db8.jpg)
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii285/wmspins/yay-i-love-stickers.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: swagsurfer on April 03, 2016, 11:04:27 PM
people skating 7.75's,

is it worth it to step up the width of the truck from a 5.0/145/129 to a 5.25/147/139?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on April 03, 2016, 11:12:22 PM
Quote from: swagsurfer on April 03, 2016, 11:04:27 PM
people skating 7.75's,

is it worth it to step up the width of the truck from a 5.0/145/129 to a 5.25/147/139?


Nah. I'm doing it right now because I gave my 129s to a friend who needed a new setup, but 129s are perfect on a 7.75.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on April 07, 2016, 12:49:31 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 29, 2016, 09:53:28 AM
Quote from: N.L. on March 29, 2016, 08:54:16 AM
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$14 for pivot cups...

Seems like the stock Ace ones have improved. Steve, are they plastic or urethane, do you know?

Also stock Ace bushings seem to be really good quality these days. I had to sand down the tops to get a looser turn and they're perhaps a tad too hard for my tastes but with warmer weather coming thats OK.

Also a big fan of the white stock Thunders, like other people mentioned.
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The stock Ace ones are plastic as well.  Plastic isn't actually bad to use for pivot cups.  It just depends on the molds and quality of plastic used.  Plastic will be less likely to deform than urethane (see the comments from Xen and I regarding Krux stock pivot cups which are urethane).

Basically a hard plastic pivot cup can crack and blow out.  Urethane pivot cups will wear gradually and create slop.  I personally think it's more important to use something that doesn't change the geometry of the pivot which is why I use the stock indy and thunder cups. 

On Ace trucks the Khiro's stick up a bit but the actual depth is the same as the stock cups unlike Indy.  We're literally only talking 1-2 mm here so It likely doesn't matter at all similar to how using Bones bushings can slightly alter the geometry of a truck

1-2mm is really not noticeable but you could feel it. If i remember the re-designed 44's had a protruding pivot cups and it almost looks like when you have the khiro's on. i remember on my first day of the re-designed 44's the front truck pivot cup blew out after a couple of slappy's on the first session and it also did the same when i replaced them with the aftermarket indy pivot cups.

bit the bullet and bought a couple of sets of the khiro's soft and hard. put on the soft on my aces a couple of days ago and they haven't blown out yet, my only grief about them is that it doesn't give me the ace turn i used to get with my stock's and indy pivot cups. it almost adds a quick rebound to the trucks and i don't like that.

also for those who's had the old aces. i seen a friend's and he has bones bushings on them and they fit just right. I'm not sure if they changed the kingpins on the redesigned because when i have bones on. there's atleast 6-7 threads out and makes the kingpin stick out and exposed. not sure if i got one with longer kingpin screw but i went back to stock because i couldn't stand the look of it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 07, 2016, 02:30:19 PM
So I've been lurking Gullwing's instagram since they came out with those made in USA Shadows. I feel like I maybe wanna try 'em out, but then I discovered they're owned by sector 9 and when I checked out sector 9's instagram it was fuckin kookville...

What do you guys think? They have some solid riders backing their trucks but I'm thinking maybe there's a legitimate reason why they aren't very popular and not because they aren't trendy, but maybe they just suck?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on April 07, 2016, 02:42:36 PM
Im curious about eh Gullwings too kinda sad to think they will be/are the only made in USA skateboard trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on April 07, 2016, 03:41:08 PM
Quote from: Main on April 07, 2016, 02:30:19 PM
So I've been lurking Gullwing's instagram since they came out with those made in USA Shadows. I feel like I maybe wanna try 'em out, but then I discovered they're owned by sector 9 and when I checked out sector 9's instagram it was fuckin kookville...

What do you guys think? They have some solid riders backing their trucks but I'm thinking maybe there's a legitimate reason why they aren't very popular and not because they aren't trendy, but maybe they just suck?

I have an older pair of gullwings 9" shadows (like 2012) and they are legit, heavy as fuck. I only use them on my cruiser but I like the way they turn honestly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 07, 2016, 09:02:36 PM
Oh, and I just discovered these...

(http://i.imgur.com/3q3POqal.jpg)

http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2013/12/paris-street-trucks-169.html (http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2013/12/paris-street-trucks-169.html)

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 08, 2016, 06:55:01 AM
^ 57mm is insanely high for a street truck.  The only truck I've considered outside of all the normal street brands were the new Caliber hollows - http://calibertruckco.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/hollow_main-450x450.jpg (http://calibertruckco.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/hollow_main-450x450.jpg)

(http://calibertruckco.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/hollow_main-450x450.jpg)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JshGbbWaxJs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JshGbbWaxJs#)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 08, 2016, 09:07:45 AM
See......someone mentions gullwing and suddenly we're dippin into some seismics........
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on April 08, 2016, 09:16:55 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on April 08, 2016, 06:55:01 AM
^ 57mm is insanely high for a street truck.  The only truck I've considered outside of all the normal street brands were the new Caliber hollows - http://calibertruckco.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/hollow_main-450x450.jpg (http://calibertruckco.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/hollow_main-450x450.jpg)

(http://calibertruckco.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/hollow_main-450x450.jpg)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JshGbbWaxJs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JshGbbWaxJs#)

Stop it...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 08, 2016, 09:29:06 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 08, 2016, 09:07:45 AM
See......someone mentions gullwing and suddenly we're dippin into some seismics........

guys, do you think these are good for nose and tailslides?

(http://calibertruckco.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/caliber_precision_qtr_2.jpg)

 :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 08, 2016, 09:38:51 AM
gimme a minute and I'll be going OFF about extended race bearings.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 08, 2016, 09:55:06 AM
Will using no bushings increase my risk of getting an std?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on April 08, 2016, 10:44:50 AM
Quote from: Main on April 08, 2016, 09:55:06 AM
Will using no bushings increase my risk of getting an std?
..Silly question. Of course it will!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: themanwhomakes on April 08, 2016, 04:56:21 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on April 08, 2016, 09:29:06 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 08, 2016, 09:07:45 AM
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See......someone mentions gullwing and suddenly we're dippin into some seismics........
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guys, do you think these are good for nose and tailslides?

(http://calibertruckco.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/caliber_precision_qtr_2.jpg)

 :D

Real talk a guy i know that longboards always tries to get me to ride his shit and he has some caliber trucks and kept telling me they're really good for manuals, so i cool guyed him for months until one day he pretty much made me try them out, and i straight up manualed for like a quarter mile down a hill first try haha. Don't worry, im still on stage 11 149's and will most likely be forever. Out of everything i've rode they just make skating make the most sense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 08, 2016, 11:13:49 PM
Never had back tails until I tried them on a drop board.....life changer.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 09, 2016, 07:58:23 PM
Quote from: clamy on April 09, 2016, 07:05:09 PM
Currently skating regular Indy 149s (medium aftermarkets, one washer, pretty loose), but now that I am only skating 8 - 8.25 instead of the odd 8.375, I want to try something else.

Here's what I'm considering:

Indy 149 forged - I like the 8.125/8.25 with 149s combo, but I've never messed with hollow trucks. Tempted by the stage 10 height.
Ace 44s - Less mass sounds good and there's the appeal of something new, but not sure of their height?
Krux K4 8.25s - Same height as stage 11s, but the 8.25 axle is tempting and I like the way Krux grind.
Thunder 149 equivalent - Never skated Thunder (or Ace). Worried they might be too low.

Leaning towards the forged 149s.

Should I just stick to what I've got so I can stay out of this thread?


Indy 149's are great. I've never messed with hollow anything. Personally though, if I was going down below an 8.5" deck, I wouldn't get trucks that would be wider than it.

Ace 44's are roughly 8.375" wide and would be best for the 8.25"-8.5" range. The height is 53mm but the way they're designed you can get an insane turn with pretty much no wheelbite. I'd try them out if I were you.

Thunders 149's have a good responsive turn but you get a lot of wheelbite. Ace's have a Thunder turn but even better. Only drawback is the metal is a bit softer like Krux, where they grind smoother and longer but they wear down a little quicker.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on April 09, 2016, 08:20:36 PM
Quote from: Main on April 09, 2016, 07:58:23 PM
Quote from: clamy on April 09, 2016, 07:05:09 PM
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Currently skating regular Indy 149s (medium aftermarkets, one washer, pretty loose), but now that I am only skating 8 - 8.25 instead of the odd 8.375, I want to try something else.

Here's what I'm considering:

Indy 149 forged - I like the 8.125/8.25 with 149s combo, but I've never messed with hollow trucks. Tempted by the stage 10 height.
Ace 44s - Less mass sounds good and there's the appeal of something new, but not sure of their height?
Krux K4 8.25s - Same height as stage 11s, but the 8.25 axle is tempting and I like the way Krux grind.
Thunder 149 equivalent - Never skated Thunder (or Ace). Worried they might be too low.

Leaning towards the forged 149s.

Should I just stick to what I've got so I can stay out of this thread?

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Indy 149's are great. I've never messed with hollow anything. Personally though, if I was going down below an 8.5" deck, I wouldn't get trucks that would be wider than it.

Ace 44's are roughly 8.375" wide and would be best for the 8.25"-8.5" range. The height is 53mm but the way they're designed you can get an insane turn with pretty much no wheelbite. I'd try them out if I were you.

Thunders 149's have a good responsive turn but you get a lot of wheelbite. Ace's have a Thunder turn but even better. Only drawback is the metal is a bit softer like Krux, where they grind smoother and longer but they wear down a little quicker.
I'm riding Thunder 149ii's with some 56mm Spitfire Classics, and I weigh 200lbs. I'm riding the trucks with no bottom washer and the turn is awesome and it's pretty loose, and surprisingly there isn't too much wheelbite. I go by the whole "if you can't ollie up it, don't ollie down it" so I can't say anything about gaps, but my skating is super sloppy so there's a lot of times where I should wheelbite but it's really not that bad. I'd definitely suggest the thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 09, 2016, 08:35:29 PM
Quote from: Spitfire4life on April 09, 2016, 08:20:36 PM
Quote from: Main on April 09, 2016, 07:58:23 PM
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Quote from: clamy on April 09, 2016, 07:05:09 PM
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Currently skating regular Indy 149s (medium aftermarkets, one washer, pretty loose), but now that I am only skating 8 - 8.25 instead of the odd 8.375, I want to try something else.

Here's what I'm considering:

Indy 149 forged - I like the 8.125/8.25 with 149s combo, but I've never messed with hollow trucks. Tempted by the stage 10 height.
Ace 44s - Less mass sounds good and there's the appeal of something new, but not sure of their height?
Krux K4 8.25s - Same height as stage 11s, but the 8.25 axle is tempting and I like the way Krux grind.
Thunder 149 equivalent - Never skated Thunder (or Ace). Worried they might be too low.

Leaning towards the forged 149s.

Should I just stick to what I've got so I can stay out of this thread?

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Indy 149's are great. I've never messed with hollow anything. Personally though, if I was going down below an 8.5" deck, I wouldn't get trucks that would be wider than it.

Ace 44's are roughly 8.375" wide and would be best for the 8.25"-8.5" range. The height is 53mm but the way they're designed you can get an insane turn with pretty much no wheelbite. I'd try them out if I were you.

Thunders 149's have a good responsive turn but you get a lot of wheelbite. Ace's have a Thunder turn but even better. Only drawback is the metal is a bit softer like Krux, where they grind smoother and longer but they wear down a little quicker.
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I'm riding Thunder 149ii's with some 56mm Spitfire Classics, and I weigh 200lbs. I'm riding the trucks with no bottom washer and the turn is awesome and it's pretty loose, and surprisingly there isn't too much wheelbite. I go by the whole "if you can't ollie up it, don't ollie down it" so I can't say anything about gaps, but my skating is super sloppy so there's a lot of times where I should wheelbite but it's really not that bad. I'd definitely suggest the thunders.

You're riding the stock bushings? There's no fuckin' way with 56mm wheels and no bottom washer at 200lbs...

I weigh a little more than you, I would come to a screeching halt from that wheelbite lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on April 10, 2016, 06:05:34 AM
going down to thunder 147 hi's and a 8.1 something w/ wider wheels can be pretty revolutionary, light but still roomy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 12, 2016, 03:21:46 PM
Back on Ace.  The turn and stability is too good to not have a pair in the rotation.  Not sure if I'll be able to stick with them long term but it's easy to see why people love them so much

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160412_142316_zpsaxpxp4h7.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160412_142316_zpsaxpxp4h7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on April 12, 2016, 03:25:10 PM
Quote from: Main on April 09, 2016, 08:35:29 PM
Quote from: Spitfire4life on April 09, 2016, 08:20:36 PM
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Quote from: Main on April 09, 2016, 07:58:23 PM
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Quote from: clamy on April 09, 2016, 07:05:09 PM
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Currently skating regular Indy 149s (medium aftermarkets, one washer, pretty loose), but now that I am only skating 8 - 8.25 instead of the odd 8.375, I want to try something else.

Here's what I'm considering:

Indy 149 forged - I like the 8.125/8.25 with 149s combo, but I've never messed with hollow trucks. Tempted by the stage 10 height.
Ace 44s - Less mass sounds good and there's the appeal of something new, but not sure of their height?
Krux K4 8.25s - Same height as stage 11s, but the 8.25 axle is tempting and I like the way Krux grind.
Thunder 149 equivalent - Never skated Thunder (or Ace). Worried they might be too low.

Leaning towards the forged 149s.

Should I just stick to what I've got so I can stay out of this thread?

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Indy 149's are great. I've never messed with hollow anything. Personally though, if I was going down below an 8.5" deck, I wouldn't get trucks that would be wider than it.

Ace 44's are roughly 8.375" wide and would be best for the 8.25"-8.5" range. The height is 53mm but the way they're designed you can get an insane turn with pretty much no wheelbite. I'd try them out if I were you.

Thunders 149's have a good responsive turn but you get a lot of wheelbite. Ace's have a Thunder turn but even better. Only drawback is the metal is a bit softer like Krux, where they grind smoother and longer but they wear down a little quicker.
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I'm riding Thunder 149ii's with some 56mm Spitfire Classics, and I weigh 200lbs. I'm riding the trucks with no bottom washer and the turn is awesome and it's pretty loose, and surprisingly there isn't too much wheelbite. I go by the whole "if you can't ollie up it, don't ollie down it" so I can't say anything about gaps, but my skating is super sloppy so there's a lot of times where I should wheelbite but it's really not that bad. I'd definitely suggest the thunders.
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You're riding the stock bushings? There's no fuckin' way with 56mm wheels and no bottom washer at 200lbs...

I weigh a little more than you, I would come to a screeching halt from that wheelbite lol
I forgot to mention that I skate ridiculously slow (seriously, really slow) since I'm a pussy, so even when I do wheelbite I can just straighten the board out and be good. I'm so used to wheelbite that the second the wheel hits the board I just lean the other way and I'm good. That being said I still don't get a lot of wheelbite on my current setup. I also only have like 10 decent flatground tricks and I do them so often that I land them perfectly now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jake From State Farm on April 12, 2016, 05:32:08 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on April 12, 2016, 03:21:46 PM
Back on Ace.  The turn and stability is too good to not have a pair in the rotation.  Not sure if I'll be able to stick with them long term but it's easy to see why people love them so much

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160412_142316_zpsaxpxp4h7.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160412_142316_zpsaxpxp4h7.jpg.html)

I've had trouble with their old design in the past but have been considering giving the redesign a shot. Let us know how they are with axles bending. That was my biggest problem.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 12, 2016, 07:10:05 PM
Quote from: Jake From State Farm on April 12, 2016, 05:32:08 PM
I've had trouble with their old design in the past but have been considering giving the redesign a shot. Let us know how they are with axles bending. That was my biggest problem.

I've been skating mine for awhile now and no issues. According to Joey himself, he claimed it was a production flaw and not a design flaw with the whole bending thing. Mine are the new redesigns and I also haven't read any comments on them bending anymore. I think you'll be good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on April 12, 2016, 08:49:44 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on April 12, 2016, 03:21:46 PM
Back on Ace.  The turn and stability is too good to not have a pair in the rotation.  Not sure if I'll be able to stick with them long term but it's easy to see why people love them so much

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160412_142316_zpsaxpxp4h7.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160412_142316_zpsaxpxp4h7.jpg.html)
My trucks kicked the bucket today. Need to order a pair of these ASAP. How do you tell the new design from the old? Is SoCal the go to for ordering Ace's. As for aftermarket stuff to try out, are Krux bushings and Kiro pivot cups the way to go? Figure Ill try it out stock set-up, but it would be nice to have some options, and I can never have enough spare parts.   
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 12, 2016, 09:27:51 PM
Quote from: Crow T. Robot on April 12, 2016, 08:49:44 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on April 12, 2016, 03:21:46 PM
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Back on Ace.  The turn and stability is too good to not have a pair in the rotation.  Not sure if I'll be able to stick with them long term but it's easy to see why people love them so much

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160412_142316_zpsaxpxp4h7.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160412_142316_zpsaxpxp4h7.jpg.html)
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My trucks kicked the bucket today. Need to order a pair of these ASAP. How do you tell the new design from the old? Is SoCal the go to for ordering Ace's. As for aftermarket stuff to try out, are Krux bushings and Kiro pivot cups the way to go? Figure Ill try it out stock set-up, but it would be nice to have some options, and I can never have enough spare parts.   

In BMC's photo you can see where the pivot meets the hanger and how far the 'wings' go out, almost touching the 44

Here is the old design, the 'wings' don't even come close to the 44s.
(http://www.tactics.com/a/6qpa/9/ace-44-hi-skateboard-trucks-silver.jpg)

Only the 44/55/66s were improved. You can easily ask Socalskateshop to make sure you get the stage IIs. The Diamond colorways (white and teal) have also been updated.

As for it being a 'manufacturing' defect, I call bullshit. If it was, we'd still be riding the 'narrow' winged hanger and not the reinforced one...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 12, 2016, 09:42:27 PM
Quote from: Xen on April 12, 2016, 09:27:51 PM
Only the 44/55/66s were improved.

So the 33s are okay then? ???
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 12, 2016, 09:55:18 PM
SoCal has the "stage 2" redesigns for 44, 55, 66. They do not have any of the "stage 1's" in those sizes, so you're fine...you don't have to ask before you order. Get the Krux bushings for sure, Khiro pivot cups are optional if you wanna have some extra ones for backup. Mine are still fine but I'll get around to ordering some Khiro's eventually.

Lastly, I'm not saying what Joey said is true, just repeating what he said.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 12, 2016, 11:18:04 PM
Quote from: Main on April 12, 2016, 09:55:18 PM
SoCal has the "stage 2" redesigns for 44, 55, 66. They do not have any of the "stage 1's" in those sizes, so you're fine...you don't have to ask before you order. Get the Krux bushings for sure, Khiro pivot cups are optional if you wanna have some extra ones for backup. Mine are still fine but I'll get around to ordering some Khiro's eventually.

Lastly, I'm not saying what Joey said is true, just repeating what he said.

I know, I read that quote too, it just doesn't make any sense. You don't reinforce something if you don't need too, axles were bending so they reinforced the hanger with more metal (just like every other truck out there does....except for 215s it seems).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on April 12, 2016, 11:26:02 PM
Thanks guys, ordered some 44's with Krux bushings, and both the hard and soft Khiro pivot cups just in case. I'll post whatever I end up running with.  
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on April 12, 2016, 11:34:57 PM
A couple of weeks ago I got the grey AVE 139s because the shop was out of raws for whatever reason. They were $10 more, but whatever. Before I set them up I noticed the baseplate on one wasn't flat and fucking wobbled. Contacted nhs and sent it in. Shipping and everything, these are now $65 Indys I didn't really want in the first place. Still haven't gotten a replacement back either, but I've been hurt so whatever.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 13, 2016, 07:25:00 AM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on April 12, 2016, 09:42:27 PM
Quote from: Xen on April 12, 2016, 09:27:51 PM
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Only the 44/55/66s were improved.
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So the 33s are okay then? ???

My guess is the smaller sizes were less prone to bending. so the 33s are probably just fine.

Also note the updated hangers have more metal around the axle, so they should last longer. Only downside is, they might be heavier than the originals. I was one of those people who held off Ace for a long time but couldn't resist after the redesign. I've been using the 44s and 55s, best turning trucks I've ever owned- stock bottom bushings, krux top.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 13, 2016, 07:26:01 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on April 12, 2016, 11:34:57 PM
A couple of weeks ago I got the grey AVE 139s because the shop was out of raws for whatever reason. They were $10 more, but whatever. Before I set them up I noticed the baseplate on one wasn't flat and fucking wobbled. Contacted nhs and sent it in. Shipping and everything, these are now $65 Indys I didn't really want in the first place. Still haven't gotten a replacement back either, but I've been hurt so whatever.

curious but do they have 'usa' stamped on the underside of the baseplate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on April 13, 2016, 08:20:19 AM
No. The bar code sticker says "mfg in USA from US & imported parts." It's a cast baseplate so I'm sure it's still poured at Ermico. In hindsight I probably should have just gone back to the shop as soon as I noticed, but didn't want to deal with driving 40 miles round trip again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: johnes on April 13, 2016, 11:35:25 AM
Ive tried out some of the new Mini logo bushings, I didn't like the way the hard ones felt, my turns didnt feel too smooth. I switched to new mediums and they are great. Right now I've got the mediums without washers on my trucks and it's working out pretty well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Wizard Fight on April 13, 2016, 06:55:09 PM
Indy 149s with stock bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jake From State Farm on April 14, 2016, 05:27:36 PM
Quote from: Xen on April 12, 2016, 11:18:04 PM
Quote from: Main on April 12, 2016, 09:55:18 PM
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SoCal has the "stage 2" redesigns for 44, 55, 66. They do not have any of the "stage 1's" in those sizes, so you're fine...you don't have to ask before you order. Get the Krux bushings for sure, Khiro pivot cups are optional if you wanna have some extra ones for backup. Mine are still fine but I'll get around to ordering some Khiro's eventually.

Lastly, I'm not saying what Joey said is true, just repeating what he said.
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I know, I read that quote too, it just doesn't make any sense. You don't reinforce something if you don't need too, axles were bending so they reinforced the hanger with more metal (just like every other truck out there does....except for 215s it seems).

Where is the quote talking about this?

My thunders are bent so badly, I don't want to skate them anymore. Hopefully the Ace redesign is the best option.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 15, 2016, 09:24:32 AM
Quote from: Jake From State Farm on April 14, 2016, 05:27:36 PM
Quote from: Xen on April 12, 2016, 11:18:04 PM
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Quote from: Main on April 12, 2016, 09:55:18 PM
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SoCal has the "stage 2" redesigns for 44, 55, 66. They do not have any of the "stage 1's" in those sizes, so you're fine...you don't have to ask before you order. Get the Krux bushings for sure, Khiro pivot cups are optional if you wanna have some extra ones for backup. Mine are still fine but I'll get around to ordering some Khiro's eventually.

Lastly, I'm not saying what Joey said is true, just repeating what he said.
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I know, I read that quote too, it just doesn't make any sense. You don't reinforce something if you don't need too, axles were bending so they reinforced the hanger with more metal (just like every other truck out there does....except for 215s it seems).
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Where is the quote talking about this?

My thunders are bent so badly, I don't want to skate them anymore. Hopefully the Ace redesign is the best option.

Someone on one of Ace's instagram posts asked if he fixed the bending issue and he responded that it was a production issue, not a design flaw. So whether it was or not, the issue seems to be fixed either way.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jake From State Farm on April 15, 2016, 02:57:32 PM
Quote from: Main on April 15, 2016, 09:24:32 AM
Quote from: Jake From State Farm on April 14, 2016, 05:27:36 PM
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Quote from: Xen on April 12, 2016, 11:18:04 PM
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Quote from: Main on April 12, 2016, 09:55:18 PM
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SoCal has the "stage 2" redesigns for 44, 55, 66. They do not have any of the "stage 1's" in those sizes, so you're fine...you don't have to ask before you order. Get the Krux bushings for sure, Khiro pivot cups are optional if you wanna have some extra ones for backup. Mine are still fine but I'll get around to ordering some Khiro's eventually.

Lastly, I'm not saying what Joey said is true, just repeating what he said.
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I know, I read that quote too, it just doesn't make any sense. You don't reinforce something if you don't need too, axles were bending so they reinforced the hanger with more metal (just like every other truck out there does....except for 215s it seems).
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Where is the quote talking about this?

My thunders are bent so badly, I don't want to skate them anymore. Hopefully the Ace redesign is the best option.
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Someone on one of Ace's instagram posts asked if he fixed the bending issue and he responded that it was a production issue, not a design flaw. So whether it was or not, the issue seems to be fixed either way.

Good to know, hopefully it's not bullshit. I'll get Aces next time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on April 16, 2016, 10:35:29 AM
I put the bushings from the 90a Thunder Rebuilt Kit into my aces, and I'm in love. I riding it without the bottom bushings so there's a little wobble, and my god do they turn fast. They're still really stable even though there's the wobble, so turning is super sharp and fast but going fast feels just fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Space Monkey on April 18, 2016, 10:47:26 AM
Not sure if the right place to ask. Should I get Krux K4's or regular Thunder polished trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 18, 2016, 11:55:47 AM
Quote from: Porkchop Sandwiches on April 18, 2016, 10:47:26 AM
Not sure if the right place to ask. Should I get Krux K4's or regular Thunder polished trucks?

By regular thunders do you mean the team plates (no hollow shmallow stuff?)

Krux's will be lighter and turn like Indys as well as be as tall as Indys 55mm.

Thunders will lower and are twitchier.

What terrain do you skate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on April 18, 2016, 01:06:14 PM
Quote from: Spitfire4life on April 16, 2016, 10:35:29 AM
I put the bushings from the 90a Thunder Rebuilt Kit into my aces, and I'm in love. I riding it without the bottom bushings so there's a little wobble, and my god do they turn fast. They're still really stable even though there's the wobble, so turning is super sharp and fast but going fast feels just fine.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Brazzers-logo.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Space Monkey on April 18, 2016, 10:21:15 PM
Quote from: Xen on April 18, 2016, 11:55:47 AM
Quote from: Porkchop Sandwiches on April 18, 2016, 10:47:26 AM
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Not sure if the right place to ask. Should I get Krux K4's or regular Thunder polished trucks?
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By regular thunders do you mean the team plates (no hollow shmallow stuff?)

Krux's will be lighter and turn like Indys as well as be as tall as Indys 55mm.

Thunders will lower and are twitchier.

What terrain do you skate?
I've been skating a lot of flatground with Indys and i want to try something else. By twitchy do you mean responsive?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 19, 2016, 09:02:15 AM
Quicker sharper turn with Thunders, not as 'deep'' as Indy. Thunder could better for flat ground than Indy depending on your taste. They are stable until you want them to turn but won't turn as much, if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 20, 2016, 12:33:20 PM
Bought some Ace 55's from skatewarehouse and it looks like I got one truck with the updated hanger (without the taper) and one older hanger (with the taper)

I sent the truck with the taper back for an exchange.  super weird though

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/ace_zpseoxj0qet.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/ace_zpseoxj0qet.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 20, 2016, 12:44:25 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on April 20, 2016, 12:33:20 PM
Bought some Ace 55's from skatewarehouse and it looks like I got one truck with the updated hanger (without the taper) and one older hanger (with the taper)

I sent the truck with the taper back for an exchange.  super weird though

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/ace_zpseoxj0qet.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/ace_zpseoxj0qet.jpg.html)

BIG box of ACE 55s, dude reaches in and grabs two, packages them up. Happened to me during the great Thunder 149 switchover, got an old and new design.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 20, 2016, 12:55:19 PM
good chance to compare them i suppose...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on April 20, 2016, 08:20:56 PM
Quote from: Xen on April 20, 2016, 12:44:25 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on April 20, 2016, 12:33:20 PM
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Bought some Ace 55's from skatewarehouse and it looks like I got one truck with the updated hanger (without the taper) and one older hanger (with the taper)

I sent the truck with the taper back for an exchange.  super weird though

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/ace_zpseoxj0qet.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/ace_zpseoxj0qet.jpg.html)
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BIG box of ACE 55s, dude reaches in and grabs two, packages them up. Happened to me during the great Thunder 149 switchover, got an old and new design.

that'd drive me crazy! for a business to make a mistake like that is unacceptable!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 20, 2016, 08:32:56 PM
^Eh to be fair even though it could be considered Ace's "Stage II" it was not advertised like Indy does with all their stages or like Thunder with their 149's.

If a merchant doesn't get the memo, the employees are just packing orders as quickly as possible so they're not going to be looking for anything besides making sure the set is the same size.

(http://i.imgur.com/Ug8RL2dm.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 20, 2016, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: Main on April 20, 2016, 08:32:56 PM
^Eh to be fair even though it could be considered Ace's "Stage II" it was not advertised like Indy does with all their stages or like Thunder with their 149's.

If a merchant doesn't get the memo, the employees are just packing orders as quickly as possible so they're not going to be looking for anything besides making sure the set is the same size.

(http://i.imgur.com/Ug8RL2dm.jpg)

yup, simple mistake and skatewarehouse is always great so I don't fault them.  I literally order from them twice a month. 


I can wait a couple extra days, it's not like I have a shortage of trucks  :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Decreed Bratton on April 21, 2016, 11:07:17 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on April 20, 2016, 12:33:20 PM
Bought some Ace 55's from skatewarehouse and it looks like I got one truck with the updated hanger (without the taper) and one older hanger (with the taper)

I sent the truck with the taper back for an exchange.  super weird though

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/ace_zpseoxj0qet.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/ace_zpseoxj0qet.jpg.html)

BMCsteve do you know if the taper on the stage 1's causes the wheel to be pushed more outwards than the stage 2's?  Or is it that the stage 2's  have just a longer hanger?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 21, 2016, 11:15:28 AM
Quote from: Decreed Bratton on April 21, 2016, 11:07:17 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on April 20, 2016, 12:33:20 PM
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Bought some Ace 55's from skatewarehouse and it looks like I got one truck with the updated hanger (without the taper) and one older hanger (with the taper)

I sent the truck with the taper back for an exchange.  super weird though

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/ace_zpseoxj0qet.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/ace_zpseoxj0qet.jpg.html)
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BMCsteve do you know if the taper on the stage 1's causes the wheel to be pushed more outwards than the stage 2's?  Or is it that the stage 2's  have just a longer hanger?

The stage 1's are meant to be used with one washer on the outside bearing.  The stage 2's are meant to be used with two washers (one on each side) which makes them equal.  I know a lot of people skating Ace's would put the washer on the inside of Stage 1's as well to make them closer to an 8.5 truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 21, 2016, 12:12:30 PM
i've been using no washers on the inside of the 55s as there is still enough taper to not rub against the bearing shields. i use the two washers on the outside to limit thread exposure...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 21, 2016, 12:17:17 PM
Quote from: N.L. on April 21, 2016, 12:12:30 PM
i've been using no washers on the inside of the 55s as there is still enough taper to not rub against the bearing shields. i use the two washers on the outside to limit thread exposure...

That's the whole pint of the taper! You're rocking them as intended. Depending on the wheel I might still throw one or two on the inside (With skinnier wheels I've had to put three or four deep to limit nut exposure....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 21, 2016, 02:35:22 PM
Never actually knew that about the Stage 1's, I always put one inside and out like any other truck. I can't decide whether I like the look of the old design or the new one. Both are very nice...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 22, 2016, 11:12:19 PM
I recall 'speed rings' which were concave to create the same bevel effect......

You guys so much frankentrucking?  Like a gullwing hanger on a venture baseplate? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 24, 2016, 11:12:14 AM
Anyone try Indy's aftermarket bushings in Aces? If so, cylinder or conical, and standard or low?

Bones mediums? Thunder bushings?

Just trying to see if there's other good ones besides Krux specifically for Ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 24, 2016, 11:38:28 AM
Quote from: Main on April 24, 2016, 11:12:14 AM
Anyone try Indy's aftermarket bushings in Aces? If so, cylinder or conical, and standard or low?

Bones mediums? Thunder bushings?

Just trying to see if there's other good ones besides Krux specifically for Ace.

Indy's work but you'll get 'the rattle.' i think the blues are the equivalent duro to krux. i'd personally stick with the cylinders to limit wheel bite. you can def use harder bushings in ace than you would in other trucks...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 24, 2016, 11:40:18 AM
it would be great if ace made some softer bushings, the same size and shape as their stock ones...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on April 24, 2016, 01:22:50 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 22, 2016, 11:12:19 PM
I recall 'speed rings' which were concave to create the same bevel effect......

You guys so much frankentrucking?  Like a gullwing hanger on a venture baseplate? 
I tried indy hangers on thunder base plates, it was terrible
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 24, 2016, 02:29:56 PM
Quote from: N.L. on April 24, 2016, 11:38:28 AM
Quote from: Main on April 24, 2016, 11:12:14 AM
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Anyone try Indy's aftermarket bushings in Aces? If so, cylinder or conical, and standard or low?

Bones mediums? Thunder bushings?

Just trying to see if there's other good ones besides Krux specifically for Ace.
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Indy's work but you'll get 'the rattle.' i think the blues are the equivalent duro to krux. i'd personally stick with the cylinders to limit wheel bite. you can def use harder bushings in ace than you would in other trucks...

So even with the standard size Indy cylinders the trucks rattle? I'm thinking of trying Indy softs. I've never tried soft bushings since I'm a little over 200lbs but since there's pretty much no wheelbite with Ace I'm thinking I may be ok with softs?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 24, 2016, 04:42:46 PM
i'm the same weight and tried the 90a (reds) with the cylindrical buttons. plenty of rattle. feels good but you will get wheel bite with wheels 54mm +
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 24, 2016, 06:01:20 PM
Quote from: N.L. on April 24, 2016, 04:42:46 PM
i'm the same weight and tried the 90a (reds) with the cylindrical buttons. plenty of rattle. feels good but you will get wheel bite with wheels 54mm +

I'm fine with wheelbite as long as it's not bad enough to bring me to a screeching halt. Well, I'll go back forth between the Krux or the Indy softs in my head for a bit before I decide. Thanks dude!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 24, 2016, 07:11:19 PM
Quote from: Main on April 24, 2016, 06:01:20 PM
Quote from: N.L. on April 24, 2016, 04:42:46 PM
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i'm the same weight and tried the 90a (reds) with the cylindrical buttons. plenty of rattle. feels good but you will get wheel bite with wheels 54mm +
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I'm fine with wheelbite as long as it's not bad enough to bring me to a screeching halt. Well, I'll go back forth between the Krux or the Indy softs in my head for a bit before I decide. Thanks dude!

Krux are softer than the stock Ace's and are the exact same height so you wont get any rattle.  the top bushing on Indy's is shorter so your going to either get rattle or a few threads showing. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 24, 2016, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on April 24, 2016, 07:11:19 PM
Quote from: Main on April 24, 2016, 06:01:20 PM
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Quote from: N.L. on April 24, 2016, 04:42:46 PM
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i'm the same weight and tried the 90a (reds) with the cylindrical buttons. plenty of rattle. feels good but you will get wheel bite with wheels 54mm +
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I'm fine with wheelbite as long as it's not bad enough to bring me to a screeching halt. Well, I'll go back forth between the Krux or the Indy softs in my head for a bit before I decide. Thanks dude!
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Krux are softer than the stock Ace's and are the exact same height so you wont get any rattle.  the top bushing on Indy's is shorter so your going to either get rattle or a few threads showing. 

Steve with the reply #666 8)

The rattling obviously won't be Matt Rodriguez level, so it probably wouldn't be something to worry about right? No hanger popping out of the pivot or anything drastic like that?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 25, 2016, 04:25:49 AM
Quote from: Main on April 24, 2016, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on April 24, 2016, 07:11:19 PM
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Quote from: Main on April 24, 2016, 06:01:20 PM
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Quote from: N.L. on April 24, 2016, 04:42:46 PM
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i'm the same weight and tried the 90a (reds) with the cylindrical buttons. plenty of rattle. feels good but you will get wheel bite with wheels 54mm +
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I'm fine with wheelbite as long as it's not bad enough to bring me to a screeching halt. Well, I'll go back forth between the Krux or the Indy softs in my head for a bit before I decide. Thanks dude!
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Krux are softer than the stock Ace's and are the exact same height so you wont get any rattle.  the top bushing on Indy's is shorter so your going to either get rattle or a few threads showing. 
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Steve with the reply #666 8)

The rattling obviously won't be Matt Rodriguez level, so it probably wouldn't be something to worry about right? No hanger popping out of the pivot or anything drastic like that?

\m/

nah, it wont be anything too crazy but it would drive me crazy haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 25, 2016, 04:33:04 AM
OK, here's a pic of the Indy & Ace bushings side by side.  I wouldn't do it because the Indy bottom bushing is shorter than the Ace bottom bushing.  That will alter the geometry of the truck slightly and put some additional pressure on the hanger pivot which Ace can be prone to breaking

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160425_042632_zpslwahxsmc.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160425_042632_zpslwahxsmc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 25, 2016, 08:22:02 AM
Thanks for the pic. I'm definitely going to try the Khiro pivots, and since those raise the truck 1-2mm looks like the Indy bushings may not be a good choice after all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on April 25, 2016, 08:58:28 AM
Something changed between the old 44s and the new. The old pair I had, had to crank them down to avoid getting pitched from wheelbite. New ones have to be loosened up a few turns from flush to get them to turn. I'm in to them though, might be a convert.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 25, 2016, 09:40:42 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on April 25, 2016, 08:58:28 AM
Something changed between the old 44s and the new. The old pair I had, had to crank them down to avoid getting pitched from wheelbite. New ones have to be loosened up a few turns from flush to get them to turn. I'm in to them though, might be a convert.

It's the harder bushings they put into the new ones. I had the same problem and it took awhile to break them in. I'm still on the hunt for better bushings to put in them soon.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 25, 2016, 11:14:33 AM
I recently ran new ace hangers on the old mag plates using a number of bushing combos: Bones, krux, ACE, thunder, and aftermarket indy.

After riding 147/149 thunders with soft bones, I could not get aces/krux combo to feel right at all, it was as if they wouldn't turn, so bizzare but I guess I really got used to the loose floop of the thunder/bones combo (wheelbite and all)

The only two that worked well were indy red (88a) conicals and the bones med bottom/soft top combo  - love the way that combination works, easily my favorite combo in just about any truck.

I'd suggest the 88a red conicals, depending on how you want them to turn.

I ride looser than most but not rattle loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 25, 2016, 02:27:27 PM
you can buy Ace bushings on Socal but I wonder if they're the old or new formula http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=21081 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=21081)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 25, 2016, 02:35:02 PM
Quote from: Xen on April 25, 2016, 11:14:33 AM
I recently ran new ace hangers on the old mag plates using a number of bushing combos: Bones, krux, ACE, thunder, and aftermarket indy.

After riding 147/149 thunders with soft bones, I could not get aces/krux combo to feel right at all, it was as if they wouldn't turn, so bizzare but I guess I really got used to the loose floop of the thunder/bones combo (wheelbite and all)

The only two that worked well were indy red (88a) conicals and the bones med bottom/soft top combo  - love the way that combination works, easily my favorite combo in just about any truck.

I'd suggest the 88a red conicals, depending on how you want them to turn.

I ride looser than most but not rattle loose.

that's right. the reds are 88a.

on my 55s i run stock bottom and bones med top, risers and 58mm wheels. on my 44s i run stock bottom and krux top, no risers and 54mm. wheel rub but no bite.

going back to my old crusty thunder 151s on my next set up just to mix things up a bit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 25, 2016, 03:03:30 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on April 25, 2016, 02:27:27 PM
you can buy Ace bushings on Socal but I wonder if they're the old or new formula http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=21081 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=21081)

Shit, I totally forgot about that. SoCal has had those for a long time, so I'm going to guess they're the older more soft formula. I think that may have just solved my bushing dilemma haha.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on April 26, 2016, 08:52:02 AM
I'm just going to run these 44s stock. I can't afford to be that neurotic anymore.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stanley Spadowski on May 02, 2016, 05:57:38 PM
Just curious if it's me, but has anyone else had problems with thunders and axle slip? Last set I had seemed like I got axle slip instantly, but I lived with it and skated them for 2 years. About a month ago I set up a new set, and now those slip. I can live with it since I'm used to it and I like thunders. But am I just having bad luck, or is this happening to others?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heritage on May 02, 2016, 06:57:01 PM
Quote from: Stanley Spadowski on May 02, 2016, 05:57:38 PM
Just curious if it's me, but has anyone else had problems with thunders and axle slip? Last set I had seemed like I got axle slip instantly, but I lived with it and skated them for 2 years. About a month ago I set up a new set, and now those slip. I can live with it since I'm used to it and I like thunders. But am I just having bad luck, or is this happening to others?

Absolutely. I didn't want to say anything because I back Thunders pretty hard (for the last 2 decades in fact) but I've had 3 sets of Titaniums in the last 12 months and the axles slip in all of them. Same as you Stanley, I just skate them and live with it but I do think it's a little unusual.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 02, 2016, 07:01:40 PM
Man....I skated various trucks for 20 years getting axel slip on everything...theeves, mult sets of indys....thunders....I now have tih's. My new theory is riding those extended race bearings....if you can tighten the nut super tight you'll never get slippage.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: alonelikeastone on May 02, 2016, 07:29:52 PM
I ride indy trucks, 159, and put 2 to 3 washers on the axle so I get full use of the hanger when grinding. I love medium Powell bushings ... on the back truck I use a top washer only,  and no washers on the front truck as I like it looser than the front. I like the back loose and the front on the verge of wobbly, but not Daewon wobbly.
I use vaseline or wax or even powell bearing oil in my pivot cups as it stops the squeaking and gets the truck turing real fast and smooth, not so sticky and jumpy. Actually there is bicycle grease you can get that stays in place under pressure much better than the other 3 I mentioned. But I don't always have that kicking around. I swear it lasts in the cup much longer before the squeaking starts up again.
And I wax the bottom of my baseplate to stop that (odd but fairly common to me for some reason) creaking sound.

I truly wish they gave Rowley a signature truck that had the geometry and look of the mid stage indy's, but used today's technology.




Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 02, 2016, 08:06:18 PM
Quote from: alonelikeastone on May 02, 2016, 07:29:52 PM
I ride indy trucks, 159, and put 2 to 3 washers on the axle so I get full use of the hanger when grinding. I love medium Powell bushings ... on the back truck I use a top washer only,  and no washers on the front truck as I like it looser than the front. I like the back loose and the front on the verge of wobbly, but not Daewon wobbly.
I use vaseline or wax or even powell bearing oil in my pivot cups as it stops the squeaking and gets the truck turing real fast and smooth, not so sticky and jumpy. Actually there is bicycle grease you can get that stays in place under pressure much better than the other 3 I mentioned. But I don't always have that kicking around. I swear it lasts in the cup much longer before the squeaking starts up again.
And I wax the bottom of my baseplate to stop that (odd but fairly common to me for some reason) creaking sound.

I truly wish they gave Rowley a signature truck that had the geometry and look of the mid stage indy's, but used today's technology.

(http://i.imgur.com/EAKJvp0l.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on May 02, 2016, 11:59:16 PM
Quote from: Main on May 02, 2016, 08:06:18 PM
Quote from: alonelikeastone on May 02, 2016, 07:29:52 PM
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I ride indy trucks, 159, and put 2 to 3 washers on the axle so I get full use of the hanger when grinding. I love medium Powell bushings ... on the back truck I use a top washer only,  and no washers on the front truck as I like it looser than the front. I like the back loose and the front on the verge of wobbly, but not Daewon wobbly.
I use vaseline or wax or even powell bearing oil in my pivot cups as it stops the squeaking and gets the truck turing real fast and smooth, not so sticky and jumpy. Actually there is bicycle grease you can get that stays in place under pressure much better than the other 3 I mentioned. But I don't always have that kicking around. I swear it lasts in the cup much longer before the squeaking starts up again.
And I wax the bottom of my baseplate to stop that (odd but fairly common to me for some reason) creaking sound.

I truly wish they gave Rowley a signature truck that had the geometry and look of the mid stage indy's, but used today's technology.
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(http://i.imgur.com/EAKJvp0l.jpg)
They're 55 mm tall like the regular iny's
They are made of 4140 Chromoly Steel  and have a grade 8 kingpin just like the regular ones
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on May 03, 2016, 12:49:55 AM
Converted to Ace's last month, but have been kinda busy with school so I haven't skated them much until recently. Set them up with the krux bushings, no bottom washer, with the nut just below flush with the kingpin. Pretty wobbly but really stable.

Honestly it didn't feel like the turn was that much more remarkable than Indy's, not sure if I could even really tell the difference. I don't have a good park to skate but I'm guessing the difference might be more notable pumping around transition. What I did notice is that there is significantly less wheel bite than my indy's had, and thats what really sold me on them so far. I feel like all brand new wobbly trucks are going feel a lot more stable when compared to old and beat up ones.
 
Over the more recent sessions the bushing have packed in a little more, for some extra wobble. I was kinda trying to wait as long as I could before I tightened the kingpin nut any more, but slowly both kingpins have came loose and are moving around. I tightened down the nut and the kingpins don't have too much room to move, but its enough to bug me, and I'm worried that they are just going to get worse. Pretty bummed that this is happening after only 6-7 sessions. Not sure if I can fix them my self, should replace the kingpins completely, or if I should just try to contact Ace about it. Pretty happy with the trucks otherwise, but I don't want to deal with loose kingpins on trucks that are so new.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 03, 2016, 08:56:29 AM
Quote from: Crow T. Robot on May 03, 2016, 12:49:55 AM
Converted to Ace's last month, but have been kinda busy with school so I haven't skated them much until recently. Set them up with the krux bushings, no bottom washer, with the nut just below flush with the kingpin. Pretty wobbly but really stable.

Honestly it didn't feel like the turn was that much more remarkable than Indy's, not sure if I could even really tell the difference. I don't have a good park to skate but I'm guessing the difference might be more notable pumping around transition. What I did notice is that there is significantly less wheel bite than my indy's had, and thats what really sold me on them so far. I feel like all brand new wobbly trucks are going feel a lot more stable when compared to old and beat up ones.
 
Over the more recent sessions the bushing have packed in a little more, for some extra wobble. I was kinda trying to wait as long as I could before I tightened the kingpin nut any more, but slowly both kingpins have came loose and are moving around. I tightened down the nut and the kingpins don't have too much room to move, but its enough to bug me, and I'm worried that they are just going to get worse. Pretty bummed that this is happening after only 6-7 sessions. Not sure if I can fix them my self, should replace the kingpins completely, or if I should just try to contact Ace about it. Pretty happy with the trucks otherwise, but I don't want to deal with loose kingpins on trucks that are so new.

Dude, reach out to ACE, your pins shouldn't be wobbling so soon, if ever.

Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on May 02, 2016, 11:59:16 PM
Quote from: Main on May 02, 2016, 08:06:18 PM
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Quote from: alonelikeastone on May 02, 2016, 07:29:52 PM
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I ride indy trucks, 159, and put 2 to 3 washers on the axle so I get full use of the hanger when grinding. I love medium Powell bushings ... on the back truck I use a top washer only,  and no washers on the front truck as I like it looser than the front. I like the back loose and the front on the verge of wobbly, but not Daewon wobbly.
I use vaseline or wax or even powell bearing oil in my pivot cups as it stops the squeaking and gets the truck turing real fast and smooth, not so sticky and jumpy. Actually there is bicycle grease you can get that stays in place under pressure much better than the other 3 I mentioned. But I don't always have that kicking around. I swear it lasts in the cup much longer before the squeaking starts up again.
And I wax the bottom of my baseplate to stop that (odd but fairly common to me for some reason) creaking sound.

I truly wish they gave Rowley a signature truck that had the geometry and look of the mid stage indy's, but used today's technology.
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(http://i.imgur.com/EAKJvp0l.jpg)
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They're 55 mm tall like the regular iny's
They are made of 4140 Chromoly Steel  and have a grade 8 kingpin just like the regular ones

Isn't Rowely a Stage VII/VIII purist (so was SALBA) IX and X didn't turn well, had washer binding and a pokey yoke; XII fixed most of that stuff. Nice of Indy to give him some extra coin in his pocket with a pro truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 03, 2016, 12:18:49 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 03, 2016, 08:56:29 AM
Isn't Rowely a Stage VII/VIII purist (so was SALBA) IX and X didn't turn well, had washer binding and a pokey yoke; XII fixed most of that stuff. Nice of Indy to give him some extra coin in his pocket with a pro truck.

https://www.instagram.com/p/86uMxKtr6L/?taken-by=geoffrowley (https://www.instagram.com/p/86uMxKtr6L/?taken-by=geoffrowley)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on May 03, 2016, 02:03:19 PM
This has probably already been answered in this thread but I'm too lazy to skim through it, but anyways, do stage 10s and stage 11s have the same hangers, or are stage 11 hangers taller? If I were to replace a stage 11 standard Indy hangar with a stage 10 standard hanger would it feel exactly the same or would it feel off cuz there's a difference in height?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 03, 2016, 02:40:07 PM
Quote from: Noble Experiment on May 03, 2016, 02:03:19 PM
This has probably already been answered in this thread but I'm too lazy to skim through it, but anyways, do stage 10s and stage 11s have the same hangers, or are stage 11 hangers taller? If I were to replace a stage 11 standard Indy hangar with a stage 10 standard hanger would it feel exactly the same or would it feel off cuz there's a difference in height?

Same baseplates, different hangers.  You can swap the stage 11 hangers for the stage 10 but you'll have all of the issues that stage 10's had (less of a turning radius, yoke sticking out, less kingpin clearance, etc.)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on May 03, 2016, 06:19:55 PM
Quote from: Main on May 03, 2016, 12:18:49 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 03, 2016, 08:56:29 AM
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Isn't Rowely a Stage VII/VIII purist (so was SALBA) IX and X didn't turn well, had washer binding and a pokey yoke; XII fixed most of that stuff. Nice of Indy to give him some extra coin in his pocket with a pro truck.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/86uMxKtr6L/?taken-by=geoffrowley (https://www.instagram.com/p/86uMxKtr6L/?taken-by=geoffrowley)
He's a purist but they stamped his name on it to make money (old trucks ain't cheap) but it's pretty much a regular truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on May 04, 2016, 01:35:54 AM
Quote from: Xen on May 03, 2016, 08:56:29 AM
Quote from: Crow T. Robot on May 03, 2016, 12:49:55 AM
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Converted to Ace's last month, but have been kinda busy with school so I haven't skated them much until recently. Set them up with the krux bushings, no bottom washer, with the nut just below flush with the kingpin. Pretty wobbly but really stable.

Honestly it didn't feel like the turn was that much more remarkable than Indy's, not sure if I could even really tell the difference. I don't have a good park to skate but I'm guessing the difference might be more notable pumping around transition. What I did notice is that there is significantly less wheel bite than my indy's had, and thats what really sold me on them so far. I feel like all brand new wobbly trucks are going feel a lot more stable when compared to old and beat up ones.
 
Over the more recent sessions the bushing have packed in a little more, for some extra wobble. I was kinda trying to wait as long as I could before I tightened the kingpin nut any more, but slowly both kingpins have came loose and are moving around. I tightened down the nut and the kingpins don't have too much room to move, but its enough to bug me, and I'm worried that they are just going to get worse. Pretty bummed that this is happening after only 6-7 sessions. Not sure if I can fix them my self, should replace the kingpins completely, or if I should just try to contact Ace about it. Pretty happy with the trucks otherwise, but I don't want to deal with loose kingpins on trucks that are so new.
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Dude, reach out to ACE, your pins shouldn't be wobbling so soon, if ever.

Any reccomendations on how or who to contact? Sent an email to [email protected], but not sure if thats the best method.

EDIT: Got an email back right away. Said it was the baseplate and that it would need to be replaced. Also they have a warranty program so I can have them exchanged, but I would be without trucks during that time which might suck. Think I'll ride them a bit longer before sending them in. Are the magnesium baseplates worth the cost? Could be a good substitue while shipping the busted ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 04, 2016, 07:49:54 PM
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Converted to Ace's last month, but have been kinda busy with school so I haven't skated them much until recently. Set them up with the krux bushings, no bottom washer, with the nut just below flush with the kingpin. Pretty wobbly but really stable.

Honestly it didn't feel like the turn was that much more remarkable than Indy's, not sure if I could even really tell the difference. I don't have a good park to skate but I'm guessing the difference might be more notable pumping around transition. What I did notice is that there is significantly less wheel bite than my indy's had, and thats what really sold me on them so far. I feel like all brand new wobbly trucks are going feel a lot more stable when compared to old and beat up ones.
 
Over the more recent sessions the bushing have packed in a little more, for some extra wobble. I was kinda trying to wait as long as I could before I tightened the kingpin nut any more, but slowly both kingpins have came loose and are moving around. I tightened down the nut and the kingpins don't have too much room to move, but its enough to bug me, and I'm worried that they are just going to get worse. Pretty bummed that this is happening after only 6-7 sessions. Not sure if I can fix them my self, should replace the kingpins completely, or if I should just try to contact Ace about it. Pretty happy with the trucks otherwise, but I don't want to deal with loose kingpins on trucks that are so new.
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Dude, reach out to ACE, your pins shouldn't be wobbling so soon, if ever.

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Any reccomendations on how or who to contact? Sent an email to [email protected], but not sure if thats the best method.

EDIT: Got an email back right away. Said it was the baseplate and that it would need to be replaced. Also they have a warranty program so I can have them exchanged, but I would be without trucks during that time which might suck. Think I'll ride them a bit longer before sending them in. Are the magnesium baseplates worth the cost? Could be a good substitue while shipping the busted ones.

Totally worth it, IMO.  I'm trying to find a backup set but they're no where to be found!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 04, 2016, 08:52:45 PM
The magnesium plates were discontinued because the softer metal was getting demolished pretty easy by people who skated street. A normal cast set will still feel lighter than Indy's, so I wouldn't say you're missing out on much by not having magnesium's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OldManSkate on May 06, 2016, 06:49:01 PM
My trusty Ventures died on me today. Trying to figure out what trucks to get next...reading this thread makes me wanna get Ace 44's. I prefer my trucks loose, turny, and not Indy height. Good choice?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 06, 2016, 06:54:24 PM
Quote from: OldManSkate on May 06, 2016, 06:49:01 PM
My trusty Ventures died on me today. Trying to figure out what trucks to get next...reading this thread makes me wanna get Ace 44's. I prefer my trucks loose, turny, and not Indy height. Good choice?

Yep.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on May 06, 2016, 06:56:40 PM
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My trusty Ventures died on me today. Trying to figure out what trucks to get next...reading this thread makes me wanna get Ace 44's. I prefer my trucks loose, turny, and not Indy height. Good choice?
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Yep.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tracer on May 06, 2016, 07:12:42 PM
Quote from: OldManSkate on May 06, 2016, 06:49:01 PM
My trusty Ventures died on me today. Trying to figure out what trucks to get next...reading this thread makes me wanna get Ace 44's. I prefer my trucks loose, turny, and not Indy height. Good choice?
NO

Get Indy lows and we won't see this type of post again

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/Uldis/SK8/Bent%20ACE%20trucks/100_0439.jpg)


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on May 06, 2016, 07:31:13 PM
Quote from: Cherb on May 06, 2016, 06:56:40 PM
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My trusty Ventures died on me today. Trying to figure out what trucks to get next...reading this thread makes me wanna get Ace 44's. I prefer my trucks loose, turny, and not Indy height. Good choice?
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Yep.
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 06, 2016, 07:48:56 PM
Quote from: Tracer on May 06, 2016, 07:12:42 PM
Get Indy lows

Nope.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tracer on May 06, 2016, 07:51:53 PM
They are the highest of the lows. If you want to get shitty trucks that break be my guest
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 06, 2016, 08:34:59 PM
Quote from: Tracer on May 06, 2016, 07:51:53 PM
They are the highest of the lows. If you want to get shitty trucks that break be my guest

Look at the date in the right hand corner of that photo...

The whole bending issue was fixed last year.

Indy's aren't a bad choice but the way he described his ideal truck performance, Ace would be the better of the two.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on May 06, 2016, 11:15:42 PM
Quote from: Main on April 24, 2016, 11:12:14 AM
Anyone try Indy's aftermarket bushings in Aces? If so, cylinder or conical, and standard or low?

Bones mediums? Thunder bushings?

Just trying to see if there's other good ones besides Krux specifically for Ace.
I tried the Bones Mediums. Didn't work for me. I LOVE the Thunder 90a rebuild kit bushings in my Aces. Best truck/bushing combo I've ever had. Even with the top washer I can get it wobbly loose, but it's still really stable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 06, 2016, 11:43:40 PM
Quote from: Cherb on May 06, 2016, 06:56:40 PM
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My trusty Ventures died on me today. Trying to figure out what trucks to get next...reading this thread makes me wanna get Ace 44's. I prefer my trucks loose, turny, and not Indy height. Good choice?
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Yep.
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I think Ace 44's are a higher feeling truck.....and to me...they turn very very differently than a venture.....turny and turns good is really subjective. Does anyone say 'I like trucks that don't turn well...' Yet we all,skate different trucks.....

You can ride any truck loose....Dae won rides Tensors loose....

If you liked ventures....thunders?  Or any lo truck.....to me a venture to an ace is like going from a 7.75 to a welcome board....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OldManSkate on May 07, 2016, 04:42:50 AM
Yeah I'm looking for something that turns similar to Venture Hi's (sharper than Indy). I hate Thunders, couldn't get them loose enough to my liking. Indy's are ok too but they're just not as forgiving as Ventures when I land sloppy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 07, 2016, 07:56:15 AM
Yah I guess maybe try a lo truck ie. Ace or Indy.....or go into a shop and eyeball an ace....most guys I see skating aces skate them rattly ie good for loose truck guys....I don't know if it's the actual height or geometry but aces feel high to me.....

Aces are super fun....I like em....I just think they are much different than ventures....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on May 11, 2016, 02:44:06 PM
anyone ever try the super soft white Indy aftermarket bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Shartarse on May 11, 2016, 05:00:09 PM
What's the consensus on the best truck for skating fast and bombing hills?

I've been riding ace 44s for the last year and absolutely love them, but because they are so responsive and crazy turny I find that they can be a bit susceptible to speed wobbles and are generally less stable at high speeds unless tightened (which I hate). That's great fun for skating my city but I'm going to be working in up in the Pyrenees over summer (stopping by barca on the way there ;D ) with nothing but crazy hills around me, so want to make a hill bombing setup. My first thought was obviously Indys given the slight deadzone before they start turning, but wanted to check what slap had to say? Do any other trucks compete with Indys for stability? (Excluding all longboard shit that is ;))

Cheers in advance
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 11, 2016, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: Shartarse on May 11, 2016, 05:00:09 PM
What's the consensus on the best truck for skating fast and bombing hills?

I've been riding ace 44s for the last year and absolutely love them, but because they are so responsive and crazy turny I find that they can be a bit susceptible to speed wobbles and are generally less stable at high speeds unless tightened (which I hate). That's great fun for skating my city but I'm going to be working in up in the Pyrenees over summer (stopping by barca on the way there ;D ) with nothing but crazy hills around me, so want to make a hill bombing setup. My first thought was obviously Indys given the slight deadzone before they start turning, but wanted to check what slap had to say? Do any other trucks compete with Indys for stability? (Excluding all longboard shit that is ;))

Cheers in advance

Oh you can bomb hills with some loose ass Ace's. Watch Stranger show you how it's done:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=duEQ2SQcDoQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duEQ2SQcDoQ#)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on May 11, 2016, 09:44:49 PM
consider what frank has done on a set of thunders...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on May 12, 2016, 08:12:40 AM
Quote from: N.L. on May 11, 2016, 09:44:49 PM
consider what frank has done on a set of thunders...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on May 16, 2016, 09:45:21 AM
I have a set of Indy Ti 149's that are a couple years old.  The pivot cup area on the actual baseplate is pretty blown out and there's some lateral wiggle.  I was wondering if I could frankenstein the hangers w/ a set of Stage 10 baseplates?  Would that mess with kingpin clearance at all?  I realize I'd be giving up the hollow kingpin, which isn't a big deal to me.  Just wondering if the kingpin length between Stage 10 and Stage 11's were any different?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 16, 2016, 10:02:36 AM
Quote from: jamersonbass on May 16, 2016, 09:45:21 AM
I have a set of Indy Ti 149's that are a couple years old.  The pivot cup area on the actual baseplate is pretty blown out and there's some lateral wiggle.  I was wondering if I could frankenstein the hangers w/ a set of Stage 10 baseplates?  Would that mess with kingpin clearance at all?  I realize I'd be giving up the hollow kingpin, which isn't a big deal to me.  Just wondering if the kingpin length between Stage 10 and Stage 11's were any different?

Baseplate and kingpin on the 10's is the same as the 11's.  only the hangar is different.  you will be all good
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on May 16, 2016, 11:05:36 AM
Thanks, Steve. Looking forward to getting more life out of them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 17, 2016, 11:27:56 AM
What do you guys think of truck heights and hanger angles? I noticed trying out royals(the new remastered ones after the IV)and in an active interview with mike Carroll on Royal trucks they designed it to have a quicker pop and it's true, they give such a fast pop response but I noticed they're the same height as thunder 145/147 hi trucks, I like them a lot but I always fall back to my thunder 147  ;D

Tried Indy and kruxtrucks but the 55mm tallness throws me off when I'm too lazy to really pop and the Indy turn is a bit too smooth for my skating, the kruxtrucks are good in the middle but kind of have play at times on the turn

What up bmcsteve its me Tanguhlang from IG
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 18, 2016, 11:35:08 AM
I like Thunder height and hanger angle; lowish but not too low and the angle helps push out the wheelbase a bit. I find that Thunders don't really let me turn, but they allow me to move in the direction I want to go ;)

Krux/Standard Indys feel tippy to me. Like I'm propped up.

Aces feel lower than they are (54mm).

If Indy made an 8.25" forged or Krux made an 8.25" downlow I'd bite for sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 18, 2016, 01:30:02 PM
I think w lower trucks....when you lean...they react quickly...high trucks....react slower but the turning radius is usually better.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 18, 2016, 03:10:22 PM
Yeah I'm on my good ole thunder 147 lights right now, the royals angle gave it a nice quick pop but I wasn't getting that timing for pulling my ollies up higher, it would pop before I could try and drag my foot up more :-\

So far though the thunder lights are doing me really well, I tried forged and never liked it before(had the forged krux,Indy, and thunder) but idk gave it a shot again and loving it. So light.

I feel like thunder trucks are truly the best street trucks, indy's are good too but idk that height and turn are more suited for cruising and carving rather than technical stuff. It's all preference in the end though. ;)
(I've tried most trucks and I could always rely on my thunder 147 hi for my preferred skating flat ground, ledges, gaps, sometimes stairs. I've tried venture lows, krux talls and downlows, independent standards and the lows, thunder hi and lows, Royals, silver, all 8" and thunder always does it for me. Tried the old and new 149ers thunders too and they were very stable and full of control, the weight always threw me off though)

Might be going down to some 145 lo though, tried it out the other week to see what I use to ride on and there was a noticeable loss in stability but flip tricks were so easy to form and land, riding and ollieing things was a tad off cause of the smaller turn radius when cruising and leveling out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 18, 2016, 04:18:49 PM
Quote from: rob on May 18, 2016, 03:10:22 PM
Yeah I'm on my good ole thunder 147 lights right now, the royals angle gave it a nice quick pop but I wasn't getting that timing for pulling my ollies up higher, it would pop before I could try and drag my foot up more :-\

So far though the thunder lights are doing me really well, I tried forged and never liked it before(had the forged krux,Indy, and thunder) but idk gave it a shot again and loving it. So light.

I feel like thunder trucks are truly the best street trucks, indy's are good too but idk that height and turn are more suited for cruising and carving rather than technical stuff. It's all preference in the end though. ;)
(I've tried most trucks and I could always rely on my thunder 147 hi for my preferred skating flat ground, ledges, gaps, sometimes stairs. I've tried venture lows, krux talls and downlows, independent standards and the lows, thunder hi and lows, Royals, silver, all 8" and thunder always does it for me. Tried the old and new 149ers thunders too and they were very stable and full of control, the weight always threw me off though)

Might be going down to some 145 lo though, tried it out the other week to see what I use to ride on and there was a noticeable loss in stability but flip tricks were so easy to form and land, riding and ollieing things was a tad off cause of the smaller turn radius when cruising and leveling out

Yup.

Love my Thunders or anything other than tranny, totally skateable mind you. They're great for street and I skate really well on them.

ACEs for days in bowls (don't have ramps to skate)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on May 18, 2016, 08:51:19 PM
Agreed. I will say that Thunders are also good in back and fore half pipe vertical scenarios.

But for roundwall- nothing beats Ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: alraunen on May 19, 2016, 12:48:27 AM
Anyone tried the thunder maxium bushings?

I was riding the the hard bones but they are like 20$ in Europe, thunders are 3 times cheaper and they look pretty well.

http://www.tactics.com/thunder/skate-bushing-tube-2-truck-set/neon-yellow-maximum (http://www.tactics.com/thunder/skate-bushing-tube-2-truck-set/neon-yellow-maximum)

Thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 19, 2016, 01:08:30 AM
on the link you gave theres a review for them and the guy said theyre stiffer than the stock so im guessing they still have the quick tweaky turn but just harder, anyone trying thunder bushings should definitely get the 90a white soft ones, malto and koston dont ride the white thunder bushings over the yellow translucent ones for no reason

i use to ride my old thunder 147(before the remaster) with the stock yellow bushings and thought they were the best but recently tried them again and noticed they were somewhat stiffer and squeakier compared to the awesome white 90a

so just like ripped laces said in the 149 II review the translucent thunder bushings need to be at a tightened to a sweet spot to get that turn you want but the white ones are just all around better loose or tight it has better stability and response. makes me think if urethane should ever even be translucent, like did those ricta clear wheels or the new bones clear wheels ever work out? i feel like they would not slide or last like classic white urethane wheels. but enough about wheels this is a trucks thread aha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 19, 2016, 09:09:06 AM
I think I read in an interview w. George Powell....that I don't know if you guys remember but Powell did the clear formula years ago like in the 90's?  And no one bought them.....so they added white colouring and that's the current STF/SPF......so these could be more or less the same....

Might have made some improvements though too....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 19, 2016, 05:32:14 PM
Bones are still relevant and their STF's are great, but it seems like the old school dudes stick with them. Most are riding F4's or some other company. I prefer F4 classics as they can handle anything besides a slippery indoor park but fuck those anyways.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 20, 2016, 12:30:56 AM
Ahaha right! Fuck indoor parks, they're only good for a desperate session on a rainy day and if you don't have classic regular 99a or softer wheels the sessions gonna take some getting use to.

I think the playing ground is gonna level out these next few weeks where there's a majority riding stf's and formula fours rather than just formula fours taking over the game, I feel everyone's gonna start feeling the hype on bones again and some will go back to that feel if they liked it. Idk though bones stf's were good before formula fours but tried them again and noticed how they stick At times and felt so plastic and hard.

Formula fours are just so reliable, those 99a just have it all
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 20, 2016, 08:45:01 AM
Yup yup...anyway back to trucks. Anyone prefer the old Ace design over the new one? Just curious...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 20, 2016, 09:31:50 AM
Quote from: Main on May 20, 2016, 08:45:01 AM
Yup yup...anyway back to trucks. Anyone prefer the old Ace design over the new one? Just curious...

Not sure if there would be anything to prefer on the old Ace design.  Same geometry, height, materials, etc.  The only advantage the old design could have would be they're a bit lighter but that's only because they lacked aluminum in the structural areas to prevent them from bending
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 20, 2016, 08:14:18 PM
stepped on some aces that were my friends, and damn those were wiggly. they were so loose it was scary and the nut was flush on the kingpin. i already knew they were too loose for my skating. but idk kinda interested in the ACE 03 lows
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on May 22, 2016, 01:20:10 AM
Anybody else weird and enjoy Aces and Thunders even though they are sooo much different. I'm always torn between which one's I want to have on my set-up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: guns_4_hands on May 23, 2016, 08:01:54 AM
Skating Avenue trucks now, but I used to skate Indy axles on Venture baseplates. Works better than you think.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on May 23, 2016, 04:56:27 PM
Quote from: guns_4_hands on May 23, 2016, 08:01:54 AM
Skating Avenue trucks now, but I used to skate Indy axles on Venture baseplates. Works better than you think.
Avenue as in the suspension trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on May 23, 2016, 06:30:42 PM
Quote from: Cherb on May 22, 2016, 01:20:10 AM
Anybody else weird and enjoy Aces and Thunders even though they are sooo much different. I'm always torn between which one's I want to have on my set-up.

That would be me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 23, 2016, 07:22:21 PM
I said fuck it and put Bones Mediums in my Ace's using no bottom washer while using the new top washer they include. I know it's putting more strain on my pivot but I don't even care anymore haha. Got them wobbly but not to the point where the pivot point slides out from the cup, more of a "safer" wobble if that makes any sense.

I originally tried them using the bottom washer but it looks regular with Bones and also wasn't any better of a turn than the stock bushings, so that's why I decided to do without. The stock pivot cups are so god damn squeaky I think I'm finally caving in and ordering some Khiro's soon.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 24, 2016, 11:17:20 PM
Quote from: N.L. on May 23, 2016, 06:30:42 PM
Quote from: Cherb on May 22, 2016, 01:20:10 AM
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Anybody else weird and enjoy Aces and Thunders even though they are sooo much different. I'm always torn between which one's I want to have on my set-up.
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That would be me.

Me three.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on May 25, 2016, 12:32:34 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 24, 2016, 11:17:20 PM
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Anybody else weird and enjoy Aces and Thunders even though they are sooo much different. I'm always torn between which one's I want to have on my set-up.
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That would be me.
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Me three.....
Sweeeet. I'm glad I'm not alone in my indecisiveness.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Thomas on May 25, 2016, 02:29:19 AM
I've been riding Indy's with bones bushing (medium) and I really like the feeling.
Then I saw all these good reviews about Ace, so I ordered a pair of 44's.

I've read somewhere that the stock bushing are pretty loose (compared to Indys ?).
Do you think I can keep the stock bushings, or should I put some bones ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 25, 2016, 04:39:57 AM
Quote from: Thomas on May 25, 2016, 02:29:19 AM
I've been riding Indy's with bones bushing (medium) and I really like the feeling.
Then I saw all these good reviews about Ace, so I ordered a pair of 44's.

I've read somewhere that the stock bushing are pretty loose (compared to Indys ?).
Do you think I can keep the stock bushings, or should I put some bones ?

The stock bushings are fine if you like riding a normal level of loose trucks. But for me, I wanted even more of a sharp turn so I put in Bones mediums with no bottom washer and I get a nice wobble from them. Other's have said Krux bushings are good so those would be another good option.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on May 25, 2016, 09:24:54 AM
anyone know the duro on the stock ace bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 25, 2016, 10:00:51 AM
Quote from: N.L. on May 25, 2016, 09:24:54 AM
anyone know the duro on the stock ace bushings?

They've gotta be around a 96 bottom, 94 top.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on May 25, 2016, 01:53:50 PM
for those guys who went from indys to thunders, im thinking about changing it up and im wondering what to expect. thinking just getting a set of standard thunder 149s or ace ( don't think i ride em loose enough to justify ace though)
been on indys for about a decade, last brands before that were fury and phantom hahaha.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on May 25, 2016, 09:40:49 PM
one thing i noticed between the two, is the timing on your pop is different between thunder and indy. not better or worse but each truck will suit different people differently. its not just a height thing but also relates to the position of the  kingpin and hangars, as well as the angles and geometry. as for the turn its pretty easy to switch between the two but as a general rule, i'd say if you like yr indys loose go with ace, if you ride them med or tighter go with thunder. thunders have a real responsive, snappy quick turn but its not very deep. thunders are also lighter if you care about that...

in saying all that, contrary to what some people like to think, thunders can be ridden loose and work well on round wall also once you dial them in.

personally, if i was skating mostly technical street shit or back and fore half pipe, i'd def go with thunders.
 round wall transition or slappy style loose carving street shit = ace. i'm old and love small tight fucked up trannies, carve grinds and slappies, so mostly skate ace these days.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on May 26, 2016, 06:54:54 AM
Quote from: clamy on May 25, 2016, 09:04:50 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on May 25, 2016, 01:53:50 PM
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for those guys who went from indys to thunders, im thinking about changing it up and im wondering what to expect. thinking just getting a set of standard thunder 149s or ace ( don't think i ride em loose enough to justify ace though)
been on indys for about a decade, last brands before that were fury and phantom hahaha.
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I've skated Indys for about ten years, too. I've never tried Thunders, so I'm thinking of giving them a go, too. I'd also like to know if anyone made the switch and stayed with Thunders. I wouldn't mind something a little lower.

I've switched back and forth pretty regularly over the years... I'll tell you a secret... there's really not much of a difference.  Yes, it's fun to nerd out and talk about how Indy is a slower/fuller turn and Thunder is a more responsive turn.  But really... when you're just skating, the difference is very minimal.  I'm actually switching from Indy back to Thunder and intend to stay for the life of the trucks, at least.   
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 26, 2016, 07:37:15 AM
Indys feel higher....turn slower but the turning radius is tighter.....more carvey......

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 26, 2016, 08:53:55 AM
Quote from: art hellman on May 26, 2016, 06:54:54 AM
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for those guys who went from indys to thunders, im thinking about changing it up and im wondering what to expect. thinking just getting a set of standard thunder 149s or ace ( don't think i ride em loose enough to justify ace though)
been on indys for about a decade, last brands before that were fury and phantom hahaha.
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I've skated Indys for about ten years, too. I've never tried Thunders, so I'm thinking of giving them a go, too. I'd also like to know if anyone made the switch and stayed with Thunders. I wouldn't mind something a little lower.
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I've switched back and forth pretty regularly over the years... I'll tell you a secret... there's really not much of a difference.  Yes, it's fun to nerd out and talk about how Indy is a slower/fuller turn and Thunder is a more responsive turn.  But really... when you're just skating, the difference is very minimal.  I'm actually switching from Indy back to Thunder and intend to stay for the life of the trucks, at least.   

I agree with Art here.  There really isnt that much of a difference between most trucks.  I think a lot of it comes down to height and bushings.  If you take two different trucks that are the exact same height with the same bushings I bet most people would be hard pressed to tell which is which
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 27, 2016, 05:37:28 AM
Quote from: clamy on May 27, 2016, 03:43:37 AM

Do Thunders need aftermarket bushings? If so, which ones (other than Bones)?

Bushings are all preference.  I drove myself insane testing different bushings in Thunders.  My recommendation would be to properly break in the stock white bushings (the clear yellow ones are crap) and if they are too soft after a week of skating, try some of the aftermarket thunder bushings.  Bones will work but they don't really fit correctly

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heritage on May 27, 2016, 07:56:58 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on May 27, 2016, 05:37:28 AM
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Do Thunders need aftermarket bushings? If so, which ones (other than Bones)?
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Bushings are all preference.  I drove myself insane testing different bushings in Thunders.  My recommendation would be to properly break in the stock white bushings (the clear yellow ones are crap) and if they are too soft after a week of skating, try some of the aftermarket thunder bushings.  Bones will work but they don't really fit correctly

Agreed Steve. It's all personal preference. One part vanity, one part OCD. No standard rules to gear. I've been skating Khiro conical bushings with the metal inserts for the last 2 years in my Thunders. I swear by them. I had a buddy give me a set a few years back and haven't switched back since. Same principle as Bones bushings just a slightly different build. I've also experimented with the 'low profile' Khiro conicals without the inserts. I just use the smaller top washer on both the top AND the bottom.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 27, 2016, 09:25:01 AM
Im not really nuts about bushings........yet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 27, 2016, 10:22:00 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on May 27, 2016, 05:37:28 AM
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Do Thunders need aftermarket bushings? If so, which ones (other than Bones)?
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Bushings are all preference.  I drove myself insane testing different bushings in Thunders.  My recommendation would be to properly break in the stock white bushings (the clear yellow ones are crap) and if they are too soft after a week of skating, try some of the aftermarket thunder bushings.  Bones will work but they don't really fit correctly



The yellow ones aren't that bad, maybe cause I just want to stay classic and nostalgic since my first pair of thunder 147 were the raw with yellow bushings and they did me so much justice. It's like the jenkem guys said though, you just gotta dial them in to that sweet spot. Took me a few tries but I finally got the it to the sweet spot on the og yellow thunder bushings.
But no doubt the white ones are way better. They rebound so well and respond so smooth, you can make them loose or tight and they still have so much stability and response. I guess that's why Malto always did it and got koston on the program
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on May 27, 2016, 11:28:21 AM
How are the Krux K4 8.25" compared to Indy 149 Stage 11s with Bones hard bushings?

I was thinking of getting another pair of trucks possibly to use for a "cruiser", as my OJs Keyframes are like 5 times faster than harder wheels over here with crummy terrain. I was thinking of trying out the Ace 44s, but they don't seem to be very widely available here and I could get the Krux for 49€ from a local shop, compared to the Aces for around 70€ shipped.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 27, 2016, 12:20:43 PM
Quote from: Roisto on May 27, 2016, 11:28:21 AM
How are the Krux K4 8.25" compared to Indy 149 Stage 11s with Bones hard bushings?

I was thinking of getting another pair of trucks possibly to use for a "cruiser", as my OJs Keyframes are like 5 times faster than harder wheels over here with crummy terrain. I was thinking of trying out the Ace 44s, but they don't seem to be very widely available here and I could get the Krux for 49� from a local shop, compared to the Aces for around 70� shipped.

Never had Indy 149's but the 8.25 krux are so good, stable yet not so hefty. I've had 139 with bones hards and they still turn some just really stable turn cause you know, hards

Sorry if my input isn't much help but truthfully I say go with the krux 8.25. They're much lighter and have that stable wide truck feel and he stock bushings are so nice.

I hopped on my friends board win Indy 149 and they're stable Forsure but so heavy, you can feel it in the turn too how heavy they are when they veer
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on May 27, 2016, 12:31:50 PM
Quote from: rob on May 27, 2016, 12:20:43 PM
Quote from: Roisto on May 27, 2016, 11:28:21 AM
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How are the Krux K4 8.25" compared to Indy 149 Stage 11s with Bones hard bushings?

I was thinking of getting another pair of trucks possibly to use for a "cruiser", as my OJs Keyframes are like 5 times faster than harder wheels over here with crummy terrain. I was thinking of trying out the Ace 44s, but they don't seem to be very widely available here and I could get the Krux for 49� from a local shop, compared to the Aces for around 70� shipped.
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Never had Indy 149's but the 8.25 krux are so good, stable yet not so hefty. I've had 139 with bones hards and they still turn some just really stable turn cause you know, hards

Sorry if my input isn't much help but truthfully I say go with the krux 8.25. They're much lighter and have that stable wide truck feel and he stock bushings are so nice.

I hopped on my friends board win Indy 149 and they're stable Forsure but so heavy, you can feel it in the turn too how heavy they are when they veer

Thanks man. Actually the Bones hards feel like they've gone soft on me. Had them in for a while and I've cranked down the nut a half turn like 4 times or something from what it was in the beginning. I guess I'm heaving than most skaters though at 85 kg (188 pounds). Didn't like the stock Indy bushings at all. Had to crank them down a lot and then it was just still, but still got wheelbite, also no proper rebound anymore.

Kinda wondering how the Krux will be with the stock bushings, cuz I'm heavier than the average lad. Dunno what replacement bushings work well with Krux.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 27, 2016, 12:46:59 PM
Quote from: Roisto on May 27, 2016, 12:31:50 PM
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Quote from: Roisto on May 27, 2016, 11:28:21 AM
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How are the Krux K4 8.25" compared to Indy 149 Stage 11s with Bones hard bushings?

I was thinking of getting another pair of trucks possibly to use for a "cruiser", as my OJs Keyframes are like 5 times faster than harder wheels over here with crummy terrain. I was thinking of trying out the Ace 44s, but they don't seem to be very widely available here and I could get the Krux for 49� from a local shop, compared to the Aces for around 70� shipped.
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Never had Indy 149's but the 8.25 krux are so good, stable yet not so hefty. I've had 139 with bones hards and they still turn some just really stable turn cause you know, hards

Sorry if my input isn't much help but truthfully I say go with the krux 8.25. They're much lighter and have that stable wide truck feel and he stock bushings are so nice.

I hopped on my friends board win Indy 149 and they're stable Forsure but so heavy, you can feel it in the turn too how heavy they are when they veer
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Thanks man. Actually the Bones hards feel like they've gone soft on me. Had them in for a while and I've cranked down the nut a half turn like 4 times or something from what it was in the beginning. I guess I'm heaving than most skaters though at 85 kg (188 pounds). Didn't like the stock Indy bushings at all. Had to crank them down a lot and then it was just still, but still got wheelbite, also no proper rebound anymore.

Kinda wondering how the Krux will be with the stock bushings, cuz I'm heavier than the average lad. Dunno what replacement bushings work well with Krux.

So, you will likely find the krux bushings too soft if you skate Bones hards.  Good news, Bones bushings fit perfectly in Krux but the key thing to remember is use both bottom and top washers.  Bones bushings are the exact same height as Krux bushings which are taller than Indy's. 

If you can find them wherever you are, the other option is Bitch bushings by Khiro.  They also fit perfectly, you have a lot of options for hardness and the quality is top notch - http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=search_list&s (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=search_list&s)[search]=bitch+bushings&s[title]=Y&s[short_desc]=n&s[full_desc]=n&s[sku]=Y&s[match]=all
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on May 27, 2016, 12:50:19 PM
Quote from: Roisto on May 27, 2016, 12:31:50 PM
Kinda wondering how the Krux will be with the stock bushings, cuz I'm heavier than the average lad. Dunno what replacement bushings work well with Krux.
Krux Bushings are my favorite bushings in the world! Pretty soft but not super soft, I believe they're like a 92a or something of that nature.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on May 27, 2016, 01:34:14 PM
This all sounds pretty good. Maybe I'll go grab a pair tomorrow and see what's what. Still kinda thinking of the Aces for some reason, but the shop only seems to have 33s in stock. Gotta ask though. If they'd happen to have 44s in stock, I'd probably go with those as I've read so much praise for them in here.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on May 28, 2016, 06:18:27 AM
Went and bought the Krux trucks.

The stock bushings are super soft. Had to crank them down like mad to not get wheelbite and even then they weren't nearly as stable as my Indys with Bones hards.

Put some Bones mediums there that I had around and they're much better with those. Got a bit more stability near the center, but it still turns when I want. Dunno if other bushings than Bones provide that, but I really do like that feeling.

Overall, they don't feel nearly as good as my Indys with Bones hards, but that's to be expected. New trucks, new bushings and also a setup that is not familiar to me. Will be interesting to see how I'll end up feeling about them in the long run.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on May 30, 2016, 11:24:01 AM
^ I hover around 180-190lbs and I have krux with stock bushings and they are fine. You gotta have a few sessions with them a little loose to break them in. Then you can crank down a little. Once mine broke in I tightened them a little and they've been fine. Still prefer my indy titaniums with orange after market bushings better than the krux tho.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on May 30, 2016, 11:53:27 AM
Well, I'm much more satisfied with them now with the Bones mediums. No need to put the stock bushings back. I prefer the feeling I get with Bones bushings, that it takes more force to make it turn initially, but then it does turn. Makes things much more stable for me at least.

I was actually thinking of trying Indy aftermarket bushings for my Indy trucks as ppl seem to like them a lot here. But the Bones are IMO lightyears better than the stock ones at least. Kinda worried the Indy aftermarkets wouldn't be as good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: planman on May 30, 2016, 03:30:04 PM
Anyone running Indy 129s on an 8.125-8.25? I'm getting a new deck soon and wanna size up a bit so I can catch tricks easier, but I don't have money for new trucks and I'm worried that my 129s are gonna be too narrow if I get anything bigger than an 8
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 30, 2016, 11:21:12 PM
ive tried those kind of smaller trucks on the sizes you described and an 8.125 is your best choice cause the 8.25 made the trucks actually feel off balance with how wide the board is, the 8.125 felt okay on balance but i loved it cause the smaller trucks helped it flip so perfect and made it so easy to do tricks i take a few tries on. frontside flips, hardflips, heel flips, they all felt too easy weirdly but i loved it. then my curiosity got to me and changed up my setup as usual.

traded my friend my krux 8.25 for his indy 149 reynolds and theyre alright so far

hey is it me or do you guys notice indy 149 are a bit shorter than 139 in height, i know everyones gonna tell me no cause all indy standards are 55mm tall and i know that but truthfully riding these 149 they dont make me feel all high off the ground and unstable like 139s, they almost feel like a more solid, stable, carvy thunder 149er II, maybe the 55mm tallness works better on the 149 length and is just unstable on the 139 length. idk thats just my opinion but another question

do you guys think the truck companies have one size of their truck they focus on perfecting more than others, like i feel thunder focused more on perfecting their 147 more then decided to revamp the 149 since those are the most selling sizes, and then with indy i feel the 149 are more well molded and crafted than 139 as if when they were doing stage 11 they did it focused around the 149 then just applied the stage 11 149 specs on the other sizes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: planman on May 31, 2016, 08:17:45 AM
Quote from: rob on May 30, 2016, 11:21:12 PM
ive tried those kind of smaller trucks on the sizes you described and an 8.125 is your best choice cause the 8.25 made the trucks actually feel off balance with how wide the board is, the 8.125 felt okay on balance but i loved it cause the smaller trucks helped it flip so perfect and made it so easy to do tricks i take a few tries on. frontside flips, hardflips, heel flips, they all felt too easy weirdly but i loved it. then my curiosity got to me and changed up my setup as usual.
Good to hear, what if I got something like an 8.18, would that still be fine?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 31, 2016, 09:26:03 AM
If you think you blew it you can always run. Few extra washers....ride a wider profile wheel.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: planman on May 31, 2016, 11:46:21 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 31, 2016, 09:26:03 AM
If you think you blew it you can always run. Few extra washers....ride a wider profile wheel.....
dunno how much good some washers will do me, as for wider wheels, I'm working on it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on May 31, 2016, 12:28:56 PM
don't forget the, oh shit how do you say "entretoise" in english....the stuff you put between the bearings in the wheels...so you can tight them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on May 31, 2016, 12:35:55 PM
ive actually not had a problem with the see-through stock Thunder bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on May 31, 2016, 05:04:06 PM
Quote from: rob on May 30, 2016, 11:21:12 PM

do you guys think the truck companies have one size of their truck they focus on perfecting more than others, like i feel thunder focused more on perfecting their 147 more then decided to revamp the 149 since those are the most selling sizes, and then with indy i feel the 149 are more well molded and crafted than 139 as if when they were doing stage 11 they did it focused around the 149 then just applied the stage 11 149 specs on the other sizes
Same
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 31, 2016, 05:07:38 PM
Anyone ever have a problem with their set-up sounding really dead? I don't know if it's because I'm running Ace's super loose with Bones and a wobble (I've never done that prior) or if it's the wood. I tried two different brand new decks (AH and Krooked) and when I plop my board down, or pop in general it sounds like a Wal-Mart board or something. The wheels are my usual Spitfire 101s F4's so I know it's not the wheels. Shit bugs me more than squeaky cups which now I don't even care about. I noticed on one of the Ace's theres a hole in the hanger that I can stick a needle through so maybe the trucks were shoddy from the factory, hence the dead sound? I don't know...I've never had a set-up that didn't give a beautiful feedback unless I had some super soft wheels or something...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on May 31, 2016, 06:59:09 PM
Quote from: art hellman on May 31, 2016, 12:35:55 PM
ive actually not had a problem with the see-through stock Thunder bushings.

I just switched back to some 149 II's from my frankensteined Indy 149's that I put old Stage 10 baseplates on and I tend to agree.  I am intrigued by the white ones in the same durometer though.  I figure it's only $5.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on June 01, 2016, 08:54:50 AM
Quote from: Main on May 31, 2016, 05:07:38 PM
Anyone ever have a problem with their set-up sounding really dead? I don't know if it's because I'm running Ace's super loose with Bones and a wobble (I've never done that prior) or if it's the wood. I tried two different brand new decks (AH and Krooked) and when I plop my board down, or pop in general it sounds like a Wal-Mart board or something. The wheels are my usual Spitfire 101s F4's so I know it's not the wheels. Shit bugs me more than squeaky cups which now I don't even care about. I noticed on one of the Ace's theres a hole in the hanger that I can stick a needle through so maybe the trucks were shoddy from the factory, hence the dead sound? I don't know...I've never had a set-up that didn't give a beautiful feedback unless I had some super soft wheels or something...
Pop your bearing shields maybe?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Decreed Bratton on June 01, 2016, 09:46:54 AM
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Anyone ever have a problem with their set-up sounding really dead? I don't know if it's because I'm running Ace's super loose with Bones and a wobble (I've never done that prior) or if it's the wood. I tried two different brand new decks (AH and Krooked) and when I plop my board down, or pop in general it sounds like a Wal-Mart board or something. The wheels are my usual Spitfire 101s F4's so I know it's not the wheels. Shit bugs me more than squeaky cups which now I don't even care about. I noticed on one of the Ace's theres a hole in the hanger that I can stick a needle through so maybe the trucks were shoddy from the factory, hence the dead sound? I don't know...I've never had a set-up that didn't give a beautiful feedback unless I had some super soft wheels or something...
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Pop your bearing shields maybe?

Nah it's definitely the trucks.  All the Aces I've had has that sound.  I think it's the kingpin not totally flush in the baseplate.  Saying that none of my kingpins have broken or come off.  But yeah it's irritating as hell.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on June 01, 2016, 10:54:32 AM
Well sheeiiit....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 01, 2016, 11:15:00 AM
Do you have the axle nut super tight or what? MY buddy has a set up with some super longboard bearings that sounds dead as fuck because he can tighten it down.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on June 01, 2016, 11:20:09 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 01, 2016, 11:15:00 AM
Do you have the axle nut super tight or what? MY buddy has a set up with some super longboard bearings that sounds dead as fuck because he can tighten it down.

I have 1 axle washer on the inside and outside of each wheel, with the nut as tight as it can be while still allowing just a tiny amount of play when I move the wheel from side to side. I've always thought that was the proper way to do it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 01, 2016, 11:23:01 AM
Give it a half turn loose and see if it sounds better. I've probably always given too much play, but I like it that way. Being able to shake the board and hear it, you know.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on June 01, 2016, 12:16:06 PM
I'll try it, thanks dude.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on June 01, 2016, 01:29:12 PM
what tightness of trucks do you guys skate? both tight? both loose? one tighter one looser? medium?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on June 01, 2016, 02:41:55 PM
i skate them pretty tight, but i keep going through bushings though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: m477 on June 01, 2016, 10:22:39 PM
The dreaded dead sounding pop. Nothing worse. Here are my experiences:

-using wd-40 to clean your bearings or too much lube. This will kill any crisp popping sound. Don't know why but it does. Classic rookie mistake

-insanly loose trucks. The lack of weight distribution/center of gravity produces inconsistent pop. Unless you have daewon precision snap, it'll be weak/dead feeling.

-setup is too light. Similar to loose trucks, unless you produce Bruce lee force, it'll sound like a cardboard box.

-constantly leaving your board in the hot car/trunk

-water (duh)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 01, 2016, 11:54:21 PM
I ride everything tight and light...and yes...it feels like a pre made complete.....I think it's great....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 02, 2016, 09:57:46 AM
Haha classic rookie mistake, true. There's gotta be a meme for that with the college kid with the captions "has dirty bearings, Uses wd-40"

I ride it medium tight, having it tight helps with flip tricks a bunch. Make my kick flips fast and catch high. But I still need a little turn for those super mobbed lands that need an escape lean and turn
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on June 02, 2016, 12:41:07 PM
So the Bones top and bottom bushings are both a tiny bit shorter than Ace stocks. When I added the bottom washer and tried them out they didn't turn any better than the Ace stocks, and it also made the Bones bottom sit higher than an Ace stock bottom with the washer.

I've been digging the turn with no bottom washer and Bones mediums, but it's also very unstable, and that dead sound in my board is not jivin' with me at all. I'm thinking of buying Bones hards and omitting the bottom washer but using the top, just like I did with the mediums. Do you guys think the hards will make the Ace's turn like shit? I'm about 210lbs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 02, 2016, 02:00:48 PM
I think if you're 210.....no......it'll turn good.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on June 03, 2016, 01:16:25 PM
Ace 44 kingpins started to slip too much so I sent in the base plates last Monday, and got some new ones in today. Pretty fast return, hope they work out.
Got a new set of 159's for $20 I've been skating the past two weeks while I waited. Pretty nice having trucks that wide, but setting them up to wobble on a warped 8.375 has been a pretty shitty experience. When ever I look at the board it seems that they stick out more to one side because of the warp, and they wheel bite too easily. Ive got them set up with some old Indy shaved down aftermarket medium bushings, but I might get some softer bushings and crank them down a bit at some point.
159's are going to sit in the spare parts bin for now until I find a wide enough board for them. Stoked to hop back on some 44's again. Might swap the front and back hangars just to even out the grooves a little.   
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on June 03, 2016, 08:45:36 PM
The complications of getting the right bushings in my Ace's so they turn good, along with the shitty squeaky pivot cups and dead sound, I went out and bought some Indy standard 149's. I kept thinking I was going to hate going back to them and hardly be able to turn, but I was wrong.

After I set it all up I put in Bones mediums, with the stock top washer as my bottom washer, and then used the Bones top washer they include. Trucks didn't turn AT ALL and I was like fuck...I hope I didn't just waste my money. So I took out the bottom washer while still using the Bones top and it was fine. Yeah, the turn is slightly more sluggish and not as sharp as Ace, but it wasn't enough to make me want to put my Ace's back on.

I always thought Ace's grinded better and smoother, but today I realized Indy's grind way smoother and longer. I wasn't slipping back and forth on the truck, I was locking right into grinds perfectly near the wheel. Ace's design is supposed to make that happen with their whole "rocker" but I realized it didn't really make it THAT much easier to notice a difference.

Also, aesthetically, I looked at a bunch of different sets of Ace's at the shop and the quality control seems to not be very good. Lots of gouges in the metal on the hanger, rough warped looking edges outside the yoke, and the pivot cups were sloppy as hell. Several sets looked like this, and it was probably the culprit for mine sounding dead, even running them stock. Indy's had a bunch of white-ish casting marks all over them but everything was solid and smooth. I know this shit probably doesn't matter to anyone but I pay attention to detail, even though I'm going to grind it down.

So yeah...I'm back on basic ass Indy's and I think I'm staying. Only thing I regret is I bought 99 duro Formula Fours instead of 101's and they're too grippy for my liking.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on June 03, 2016, 08:52:16 PM
Glad you got your shit worked out Main. Now stick with what you've got and ride the shit out of it. All trucks get better with age. Turn your trucks on and your mind off. Go.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on June 03, 2016, 09:09:08 PM
Thanks dude, I appreciate ya! I've taken apart and put back together so many different set-ups lately. I'm ready to skate this one till it's destroyed...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on June 10, 2016, 08:04:42 AM
Anyone ever try the Tracker Axis?

(http://i.imgur.com/32u01Bel.jpg)


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bumpnrun on June 10, 2016, 09:30:09 AM
Quote from: Main on June 10, 2016, 08:04:42 AM
Anyone ever try the Tracker Axis?

(http://i.imgur.com/32u01Bel.jpg)


LOL

This local dude Geoff who owns a small company called Kitsch rode those for ages! He swore by them. One of the distributors up here had tons of them for ages. Then one day, they were all gone and Geoff had to switch trucks LOL
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bumpnrun on June 10, 2016, 09:34:03 AM
Been riding only independents since 1994.

For past 8 years or so, been riding 139s with stock everything, no tightening, as they are from the factory. Same trucks on my regular whip and cruiser. I've broken 2 hangers in the past year. Setting up another cruiser and trying thunder 147 hi.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on June 10, 2016, 11:20:38 AM
Anybody ever get axle slip in the first 30 mins of skating new trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 10, 2016, 11:24:43 AM
as someone who has switched trucks more often than 99% of people on the planet, once I decided to just stick with Indy Titanium (currently alternating between 159's and 169's) all of my problems were solved.

No trucks are perfect for everything but overall Indy wins (for me) in pros vs cons above everything else.  The more I skate them, the more I appreciate them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 10, 2016, 11:40:51 AM
Yah, the truck would be more or less idiot proof if it wasn't for people like us......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on June 10, 2016, 12:39:08 PM
Quote from: bumpnrun on June 10, 2016, 09:30:09 AM
LOL

This local dude Geoff who owns a small company called Kitsch rode those for ages! He swore by them. One of the distributors up here had tons of them for ages. Then one day, they were all gone and Geoff had to switch trucks LOL

Well from my super nerd-err-iffic research, looks like Tracker is the only truck company making every component of a truck in the USA. Might be worth getting some but I'm still hesitant. They're fucking Trackers...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on June 11, 2016, 10:55:37 AM
For those that ride the ACE/Krux bushings combo, do you guys keep the bottom washer in? Set mine up to rattle a little bit, but they've recently gotten pretty packed out and I have the nut turned 5-6 threads down on the kingpin.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: planman on June 13, 2016, 08:05:37 AM
Just scraped most of the paint off my Krux with some scissors, looks kinda janky but I dig it. I'll post pics a bit later if anyone's interested. Anybody ever tried running Krux hangers on Indy baseplates? Thinking of running mine that way so I don't gotta look at these black plates.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: le88 on June 13, 2016, 04:59:47 PM
was strictly on indys for a few years but the last sets I've had, whenever i switched the bushings out, the kingpins were all wobbly. and that was with multiple sets. contacted nhs and they wanted me to pay for shipping so i said fuck that and tried the thunder 149 ii and those so far have been awesome, don't even mess with the bushings either
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bumpnrun on June 14, 2016, 10:01:31 AM
Have some Thunders coming for a cruiser but was looking at them on my friends board and the baseplate holes are kinda crazy. They are so close to the edge on the nose and tail side. My buddies hardware is shredded to shit, like it's 1991.

It's like after most truck companies removed the 6 hole pattern however many years ago, rather than keep the space where the 5th and 6th holes were, they centered the mounting holes on the baseplate, which puts the bolts closer to the nose and tail slide area. It has more clearance than the old truck hole pattern but less than indy's, which maintains the offset when they removed the 5th and 6th hole. Because of where the holes are drilled on thunder baseplates, it also artificially narrows the relative wheelbase 

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0277/8575/products/4534c6dd90646d220c1e4975db6a700b_large.jpeg) (http://www.octanesport.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/n/indybconvparts.jpg)


(http://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/thunder-trucks-night-lights-high-147-skateboard-trucks-5-25-p18935-45306_image.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OldManSkate on June 14, 2016, 10:20:43 AM
Quote from: Crow T. Robot on June 11, 2016, 10:55:37 AM
For those that ride the ACE/Krux bushings combo, do you guys keep the bottom washer in? Set mine up to rattle a little bit, but they've recently gotten pretty packed out and I have the nut turned 5-6 threads down on the kingpin.
I keep the bottom washer in, no rattles.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirty ol man on June 14, 2016, 11:00:57 AM
wish i had time to read this entire thread.

i'm 36, 6'4, 165. Skate mostly ledges, bumps, mannys, flat and jersey barriers, DIY tranny at this point in NYC/Philly

Have standard Indy's and skate an 8", scaled back after landing primo innumerable times on tres on 8.25. basically trying to hang on to shit, not progress as i'm on some 45 hours a week stressful job shit and a shadow of my abilities in my 20's.

Anytime I pick up a homies board that pretty much has the same dimensions equipped with ventures or thunders etc it straight feels SIGNIFICANTLY lighter.

light boards were a big deal growing up skating freedom/love etc.

Anyone have an recs on lighter trucks that are sturdy. when my head was in the clouds and i was skating 10-15 hours a week i could care fuck all about setup but trying to tweak my setup to lesson the margin of complexity at this stage.

does this shit make any difference or am I searching for excuses why i'm declining ha.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 14, 2016, 11:15:20 AM
^ Try the the hollow light indys. They're a little lower and a little lighter.

I have some venture 5 lows on a 7.75 that I just leave in the trunk of my car in case I get bored, and I'm surprised how well they turn... It's kind of fucking with me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirty ol man on June 14, 2016, 01:27:14 PM

Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 14, 2016, 11:15:20 AM
^ Try the the hollow light indys. They're a little lower and a little lighter.

I have some venture 5 lows on a 7.75 that I just leave in the trunk of my car in case I get bored, and I'm surprised how well they turn... It's kind of fucking with me.

Yeah I'll just compare the weights. I'm curious if anyone made a shift to lighter trucks and noticed things getting springy or snapping easier or if say .5 pound difference is all in your mind. basically feel like my muscle memory is based on an outdated setup and I'm fine with reverting back to it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 14, 2016, 02:14:48 PM
Quote from: dirty ol man on June 14, 2016, 01:27:14 PM

Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 14, 2016, 11:15:20 AM
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^ Try the the hollow light indys. They're a little lower and a little lighter.

I have some venture 5 lows on a 7.75 that I just leave in the trunk of my car in case I get bored, and I'm surprised how well they turn... It's kind of fucking with me.
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Yeah I'll just compare the weights. I'm curious if anyone made a shift to lighter trucks and noticed things getting springy or snapping easier or if say .5 pound difference is all in your mind. basically feel like my muscle memory is based on an outdated setup and I'm fine with reverting back to it.

It's all in your mind but skating is mostly mental so I shell out for the Indy Titaniums :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on June 15, 2016, 09:16:36 AM
^ I have the titaniums too and I love em. If you are getting wheel bite on standard 149s maybe go hollow or Titanium but use risers. So you'll get a little added height but maybe not so much as if you added risers to standards.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 15, 2016, 09:23:38 AM
Quote from: tangar on June 15, 2016, 09:16:36 AM
^ I have the titaniums too and I love em. If you are getting wheel bite on standard 149s maybe go hollow or Titanium but use risers. So you'll get a little added height but maybe not so much as if you added risers to standards.

Yup, add rises.  Also, if you are getting wheelbite on standard Indy's, you'll get twice as much on Thunder.  The geometry of Ace seem to reduce wheelbite the most.

I think risers went out for most skaters who don't focus on tranny or skate huge wheels but they're making a comeback.

Function over form
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirty ol man on June 15, 2016, 11:49:56 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on June 14, 2016, 02:14:48 PM
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^ Try the the hollow light indys. They're a little lower and a little lighter.

I have some venture 5 lows on a 7.75 that I just leave in the trunk of my car in case I get bored, and I'm surprised how well they turn... It's kind of fucking with me.
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Yeah I'll just compare the weights. I'm curious if anyone made a shift to lighter trucks and noticed things getting springy or snapping easier or if say .5 pound difference is all in your mind. basically feel like my muscle memory is based on an outdated setup and I'm fine with reverting back to it.
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It's all in your mind but skating is mostly mental so I shell out for the Indy Titaniums :)

So they're double the price for a FIFTEEN % weight reduction. not sure anyone could tell the difference on an overall setup. You really think it makes a difference?

i should stop being a cackfag and start doing squats instead of toiling over a few ounce difference in weight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 15, 2016, 12:10:01 PM
Quote from: dirty ol man on June 15, 2016, 11:49:56 AM
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^ Try the the hollow light indys. They're a little lower and a little lighter.

I have some venture 5 lows on a 7.75 that I just leave in the trunk of my car in case I get bored, and I'm surprised how well they turn... It's kind of fucking with me.
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Yeah I'll just compare the weights. I'm curious if anyone made a shift to lighter trucks and noticed things getting springy or snapping easier or if say .5 pound difference is all in your mind. basically feel like my muscle memory is based on an outdated setup and I'm fine with reverting back to it.
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It's all in your mind but skating is mostly mental so I shell out for the Indy Titaniums :)
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So they're double the price for a FIFTEEN % weight reduction. not sure anyone could tell the difference on an overall setup. You really think it makes a difference?

i should stop being a cackfag and start doing squats instead of toiling over a few ounce difference in weight.

The difference is about 120g which is 4.2oz of weight savings in your setup.  it's not really going to make a difference in your skating but you can feel it just by picking up your board

The woodshop your board comes from makes a huge difference as well.  an 8.38x32 from NHS (china wood) is 120g lighter than an 8.38x32 South Central deck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 15, 2016, 12:43:10 PM
I still skate theeve Tih's....on an 8" board....it's noticeably lighter.....you do get used to it but when I skate my other set ups they feel like tanks....for me, I Ollie higher on something heavier and more solid....I kickflip better on something a bit heavier too.....but any other flip trick yah, lighter is easier.....transition....heavier and wider.....everything else I like my lighter board....

If I have a bad day on a heavier board I'm more prone to blame the weight.....on a light board....I'm more prone to blame the deck as too old or too new.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on June 15, 2016, 02:42:30 PM
i find the truck geo, and location of the axle to the tail, has more of an influence on my pop than truck weight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Julz on June 15, 2016, 06:42:32 PM
(https://s31.postimg.org/qzvs7yqcb/IMG_3956.jpg)

My bearing is stuck in the truck. I've lubed it, then tried to get it out with a bunch of utensils but I can't get it out... wtf ! I'm scared that using a hammer will brake it, so now I don't know what to do. Has this ever happened to anyone ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 15, 2016, 06:49:55 PM
Quote from: Julz on June 15, 2016, 06:42:32 PM
(https://s31.postimg.org/qzvs7yqcb/IMG_3956.jpg)

My bearing is stuck in the truck. I've lubed it, then tried to get it out with a bunch of utensils but I can't get it out... wtf ! I'm scared that using a hammer will brake it, so now I don't know what to do. Has this ever happened to anyone ?

Bash it on a curb.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on June 16, 2016, 12:12:24 AM
that happened to me a while back on some pre-DLXSF ventures.. had to hammer the bearing which resulted in the bearing blowing up. not sure if its the accel that has slightly slipped
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 16, 2016, 12:27:51 AM
You tried taking the truck off and put it in a bench vice, then wiggle that shit free
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 16, 2016, 02:56:29 AM
Quote from: N.L. on June 15, 2016, 02:42:30 PM
i find the truck geo, and location of the axle to the tail, has more of an influence on my pop than truck weight.

Right! I was testing my venture lows with my Indy lows and they both sit at 48mm tall and the ventures felt so odd like it increased the wheel base but the Indy lows felt so right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Julz on June 16, 2016, 04:37:55 PM
Fuck, I haven't been back home since last night, hopefully there's nothing wrong with the truck, I've just set it up last month.  >:(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 17, 2016, 08:18:09 AM
I skate risers just cause I get wheelbite so often....and I'm a medium truck guy who doesn't weigh anything.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 17, 2016, 08:33:41 AM
Quote from: clamy on June 17, 2016, 06:27:27 AM
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^ I have the titaniums too and I love em. If you are getting wheel bite on standard 149s maybe go hollow or Titanium but use risers. So you'll get a little added height but maybe not so much as if you added risers to standards.
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Yup, add rises.  Also, if you are getting wheelbite on standard Indy's, you'll get twice as much on Thunder.  The geometry of Ace seem to reduce wheelbite the most.

I think risers went out for most skaters who don't focus on tranny or skate huge wheels but they're making a comeback.

Function over form
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Alright, so I'm going to stay with Indy and try some hollows. 55mm on the stage 11s is a little high for me. I liked the stage 10 height, so the forged stuff should work better. I haven't used risers since my first proper setup, I remember ditching them when I got my second board.

Will Indy titanium hangers work on the Indy forged hollow baseplates and vice versa? I can get some all black titaniums really cheap, so I may as well buy a set of hollows and have x2 sets of trucks - black hangers on raw baseplates and raw hangers on black baseplates, since it's probably not worth stripping the paint back.

yes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on June 17, 2016, 02:29:38 PM
This thread is rad. I appreciate the intricacy y'all have when it comes to your truck setups/truck rituals, but trucks aren't something I freak out too much about anymore; I feel like I've finally found the golden ticket with trucks. I still drive myself insane when it comes to rituals over other certain other gear, but for trucks, as long as it's some Indy stage 11 149 standards with the Indy 94A aftermarket barrel bottom bushings put in and tightened to a medium tightish feel with the front truck slightly looser than the back, then I'm good to go. Been rocking that setting for more than half a year now and I'm loving it. No complaints at all and I haven't had any need to adjust or mess with my trucks at all since I stumbled upon this setting.
The stage 11s are awesome. My previous trucks before these were stage 10s and I had to constantly mess with them with a skate tool to keep them feeling right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 18, 2016, 07:18:48 AM
Quote from: clamy on June 18, 2016, 05:05:48 AM
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^ I have the titaniums too and I love em. If you are getting wheel bite on standard 149s maybe go hollow or Titanium but use risers. So you'll get a little added height but maybe not so much as if you added risers to standards.
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Yup, add rises.  Also, if you are getting wheelbite on standard Indy's, you'll get twice as much on Thunder.  The geometry of Ace seem to reduce wheelbite the most.

I think risers went out for most skaters who don't focus on tranny or skate huge wheels but they're making a comeback.

Function over form
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Alright, so I'm going to stay with Indy and try some hollows. 55mm on the stage 11s is a little high for me. I liked the stage 10 height, so the forged stuff should work better. I haven't used risers since my first proper setup, I remember ditching them when I got my second board.

Will Indy titanium hangers work on the Indy forged hollow baseplates and vice versa? I can get some all black titaniums really cheap, so I may as well buy a set of hollows and have x2 sets of trucks - black hangers on raw baseplates and raw hangers on black baseplates, since it's probably not worth stripping the paint back.
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yes
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Thanks for the quick reply.

Will standard stage 11 hangers work on forged baseplates? If so, will they still be 53.5mm tall?

Yup, all of the stage 11 stuff can be swapped.  53.5 = Forged 55 = Standard
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on June 20, 2016, 05:46:27 AM
^Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Aces as high as Indys and a few grams heavier?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 20, 2016, 06:47:14 AM
Quote from: clamy on June 20, 2016, 06:33:32 AM
They're a few millimetres lower than stage 11s (even lower than what stage 10s were, but only by half a mm). That's enough for me to try them. Even though I've gotten used to them, I find stage 11s too high.

Yep, they're pretty much the same weight, but apparently they wear down quicker so they'll be lighter in no time  ;D

Ace are 53.5mm which is the same as Forged Stage 11's.  Ace are heavier than standard stage 11's and a lot heavier than hollow or Ti stage 11's
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on June 20, 2016, 11:57:47 AM
Can anyone give me some kind of a description on how Aces turn compared to stage 11 Indys and Krux?

I've got 149 stage 11s and 8.25" Krux'. Indys with Bones hards and Krux with Bones mediums. The Krux are kinda weird compared to the Indys. They turn really easily (medium vs. hard, so that's to be expected), but I won't get any wheelbite with them even if I try. The board will just stop turning steeper at one point and after that it'll go on two wheels instead of wheelbiting. I kinda prefer that with the Krux, but then again I do think the Indys feel better. I ride 54 mm wheels on both setups. 8.25" board. For some reason I'm very intrigued with the Aces.

Also, what Indy bushings would you guys recommend to someone that likes Bones hards and mediums, but would rather get something in between? Do the durometers go the same as in the Bones or not due to the different design? Hard blacks? Super hard yellows? or Medium hard blues? As ppl have been hyping aftermarket Indy bushings so much here over the Bones (which I've been quite happy with), I'm interested in trying them out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on June 20, 2016, 03:51:55 PM
Quote from: Roisto on June 20, 2016, 11:57:47 AM
Can anyone give me some kind of a description on how Aces turn compared to stage 11 Indys and Krux?

I've got 149 stage 11s and 8.25" Krux'. Indys with Bones hards and Krux with Bones mediums. The Krux are kinda weird compared to the Indys. They turn really easily (medium vs. hard, so that's to be expected), but I won't get any wheelbite with them even if I try. The board will just stop turning steeper at one point and after that it'll go on two wheels instead of wheelbiting. I kinda prefer that with the Krux, but then again I do think the Indys feel better. I ride 54 mm wheels on both setups. 8.25" board. For some reason I'm very intrigued with the Aces.

Also, what Indy bushings would you guys recommend to someone that likes Bones hards and mediums, but would rather get something in between? Do the durometers go the same as in the Bones or not due to the different design? Hard blacks? Super hard yellows? or Medium hard blues? As ppl have been hyping aftermarket Indy bushings so much here over the Bones (which I've been quite happy with), I'm interested in trying them out.

I'm a big dude so Bones mediums tend to deform quickly. Never had that problem with hards and they still allow me to turn just fine. I've never tried Indy bushings but Steve will tell you all about how good they are. He knows his shit. The color of Indy bushings correlates to the hardness and it says right on the packaging.

I put bones in Aces without the bottom washer and it puts a lot of stress on the pivot because the bottom bushing is shorter than stock. Indy bushings won't work in Ace's because the bottom bushing is too tall. It's important to keep stock geometry. You can run Bones on your Aces without the bottom washer if you want but you'll make the shitty pivot cups blow out even quicker and they will be wobbly and unstable.

The turn of Ace's is snappier and more responsive than Indy but not by as much as its hyped up to be. Bones bushings in Ace's and Indy and the turn is very similar. I think of Ace now as just a Chinese version of an Indy stage III. Ace needs to improve their stock pivot and bushing quality to keep me as a customer. They fixed the bending issue, why not use better quality aluminum and urethane for the bushings? I've since gone back to Indy and I'm exploring other truck options. Ace isn't bad but still need to improve. Bottom line, they aren't going to turn significantly better than an Indy enough that you'll write home about.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 24, 2016, 05:52:58 AM
Probably gonna sound like a bigger kook than everyone already thinks I am but people...
Mini-Logo trucks are actually pretty legit as some have said, I had to try a pair ever since reading that skateboarding is my life time review and it's like the guy said, they're really good trucks

I noticed some key features that made them up to par with the big boy truck brands,
-The hanger angle is like thunder hi(helps with the way it pops)
-The height is like venture lo(lower for more control)
-They actual have a turn very similar to thunder but with more carve rather than the quick sharp turn then center
-The nose/tail slide area of the baseplate extends so you don't get caught on a slide cause of wheels
-I'm very sure the bushings are basically a different mold of the bones mediums without cores

Idk guys, they turn very smooth and nice if you use a bones top without the washer
They feel like, you get the clean evened out straight pop of a thunder truck but when you land your not stuck centered or to have that quick wiggle of a turn but a controlled clean carvy turn after landing. Almost like indy's. Not as smooth carving away from landing with indy's but close.

I've had Indy standards and they're good with carvy turns and getting that emergency maneuvering for sloppy landings where your feet land awkardly and you can still lean any amount where you stand in the board and they'll turn but they always to me had such a soggy feeling pop if you rode them medium or loose. not snappy like thunders where you pop and just go straight up and forward and your there , indy's are like you drag your board up and forward to where you want it kind of feeling pops

Thunders always do me good and they have that quick jolty turn and clean feeling nice pop but they kinda lack that carve you love from indy's

That's where I feel mini logo trucks come in, they're a medium to those top 2 sellers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 24, 2016, 07:12:11 AM
I'm running ML trucks on one of my daughter's boards and I am always surprised how well they turn.

They're really low at 49mm so they might not be for everyone.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 24, 2016, 07:22:18 AM
Joey Brezenski was testing out some Tensor prototypes yesterday.  From what I could tell it looked like a mix of current tensors and thunders with more kingpin clearance than both. 

The current Tensor Tens are supposed to be really good.  If they improve upon that design I'll give them a shot (aluminum not magnesium)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 24, 2016, 09:09:10 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on June 24, 2016, 07:22:18 AM
Joey Brezenski was testing out some Tensor prototypes yesterday.  From what I could tell it looked like a mix of current tensors and thunders with more kingpin clearance than both. 

The current Tensor Tens are supposed to be really good.  If they improve upon that design I'll give them a shot (aluminum not magnesium)

But....Tensors.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 24, 2016, 09:13:05 AM
Quote from: Xen on June 24, 2016, 09:09:10 AM
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Joey Brezenski was testing out some Tensor prototypes yesterday.  From what I could tell it looked like a mix of current tensors and thunders with more kingpin clearance than both. 

The current Tensor Tens are supposed to be really good.  If they improve upon that design I'll give them a shot (aluminum not magnesium)
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But....Tensors.

 :D  I'm willing to give them a shot if they're a ground up redesign.  The tensor Ten aluminum trucks are supposed to be really good.  They brought in a new guy to design those and he's working on the new ones as well. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on June 24, 2016, 10:18:37 AM
...but think of the resale value BMC... no way you'll unload those on anyone when you try em out and aren't into em
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 24, 2016, 10:58:23 AM
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But really, in that big box of trucks I bought, the tensors were the first to get sold.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 24, 2016, 02:11:25 PM
Quote from: art hellman on June 24, 2016, 10:18:37 AM
...but think of the resale value BMC... no way you'll unload those on anyone when you try em out and aren't into em

 :D damn.....you make a very good point actually
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 24, 2016, 03:10:56 PM
If I rode tight trucks, I can't see how they'd be worse than any of the non-indy type trucks (Indy/Theeve/ACE/Krux) or the Venture/Thunders camps.

Honestly if Venture would make and 8.5 hollow v-light I'd be riding them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on June 24, 2016, 03:23:04 PM
Quote from: art hellman on June 24, 2016, 10:18:37 AM
...but think of the resale value BMC... no way you'll unload those on anyone when you try em out and aren't into em
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 24, 2016, 10:58:23 AM
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But really, in that big box of trucks I bought, the tensors were the first to get sold.
Gnarz for dayz!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 24, 2016, 05:22:43 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on June 24, 2016, 02:11:25 PM
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...but think of the resale value BMC... no way you'll unload those on anyone when you try em out and aren't into em
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 :D damn.....you make a very good point actually

ill take them off your hands if you ever wanna resell, i only had tensors once and they were pretty nice til the axle rubbed against some high crack in the streets and the nut and my wheel ran away, that really upset me cause i had the R2 magnesium and damn, the turning was eh but the flip ability and grind from magnesium was fa-nominal. but that axle problem got me so off them and i gave them away but i really wanna try another set of the lo tens, but hearing that theres a prototype in the works of a thunder copycat tensor i think ill wait  ;D

those magnesiums grind so smooth, and make the truck so light

what do you guys think of those new avenue suspension trucks? they look somewhat legit and i heard good reviews but idk the height throws me off cause i at max ride trucks highest 53mm anything higher i start struggling and those avenues look about the height of an indy standard

also forgot to mention the mini logo bolt placement on the baseplates is either similar to indys or royals, i cant say forsure which but i think it supposed to help shorten the wheel base so you get better flips and obviously easier to get your bolts on and tightened unlike thunder where the bolt placement is centered so you gotta angle your T tool for the top bolts
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 24, 2016, 05:41:37 PM
I say we pass them around to get the slap consensus.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 24, 2016, 06:09:22 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on June 24, 2016, 07:22:18 AM
Joey Brezenski was testing out some Tensor prototypes yesterday.  From what I could tell it looked like a mix of current tensors and thunders with more kingpin clearance than both. 

The current Tensor Tens are supposed to be really good.  If they improve upon that design I'll give them a shot (aluminum not magnesium)

wait how did you hear or see of this? i would like to take a glance ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on June 24, 2016, 06:20:02 PM
I buy Indy's , tighten the front truck 2 times, back truck 3 times, then never touch them again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 26, 2016, 05:07:31 AM
update on the mini logo trucks if anyone cares

the baseplate shape how its hollowed out inside around the kingpin and pivot area actually makes them significantly lighter, crazy as it is lighter than thunder 147 hi standards and thunder lights, maybe the same weight as hollow lights or ti lights. but bottom point the hollowed out baseplate and i think hangar shape actually make the truck pretty light but not stupid light. the perfect light weight that helps you feel your board still and flip it without losing a breath.

the extended shape of the baseplate so your wheels dont make contact for nose and tail slides actually helps, did a couple of noseslides and damn they slid easy and controlled. very beautful. just wow this is a pricepoint truck? they slid smooth

they are as i mentioned before very similar to thunders, they respond very quick and nice like thunders on the turn and all but dont have that kinda creeky mushed turn thunder has at times when the bushings are acting up. the mini logos work best with either a bones medium top no washer and the stock bottom or better yet for the best turn and repsonse just swap to bones mediums with your choice of top washer or not(i kept it on so i can keep it flush and not grind down the threads) and they are really really nice, like a quicker more turny thunder

sorry i keep mentioning thunders but its just cause besides indys being a top seller, thunders are used the most in the street skating scene. if you look at all the best street skaters most of them ride thunders. even the people who arent sponsored by thunder ride them. i noticed youness is riding thunder hangars on venture baseplates, koston off indy and rides thunders, chaz ortiz rides thunders, nyjah rides thunders, andrew brophy and ben fisher, cory kennedy, all these guys arent on the team but they ride them cause thunders are the best street skating trucks. all the best guys are on thunders too. chris cole, ishod, busenitz, shane oneil, tom asta, most of the REAL team, frank gerwer, chris pfanner, the chief, miles silvas, nakel, bryan herman, ed templeton, billy marks, marc johnson, sean malto, the list goes on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on June 26, 2016, 06:08:13 AM
As an added bonus, if you wanna pound out the kingpin to do the krux downlow mod, then the mini logo trucks are the easiest kingpin to pound out. Also, you can fit in a small wrench to better tighten your trucks after performing the kingpin modification.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 26, 2016, 08:28:06 AM
Yeah, my friend has a set and I like how they turn.....Powell may have some stuff you may not like preference wise but quality is usually good...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on June 27, 2016, 06:47:24 PM
Bought some white Thunder 90 bushings for my 149 II's out of curiosity, namely people on here saying they're better than the stock ones despite being the same durometer. I was probably just having an "on night" but I have to say I really like them.  Coming from riding Indy 149 Ti's I really don't miss anything with the Thunder 149 II's with stock or aftermarket bushings. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 27, 2016, 08:16:14 PM
Quote from: jamersonbass on June 27, 2016, 06:47:24 PM
Bought some white Thunder 90 bushings for my 149 II's out of curiosity, namely people on here saying they're better than the stock ones despite being the same durometer. I was probably just having an "on night" but I have to say I really like them.  Coming from riding Indy 149 Ti's I really don't miss anything with the Thunder 149 II's with stock or aftermarket bushings. 

im telling yall, solid color anything urethane only makes sense. thats why most bushings arent made clear. indy bushings, krux bushings, bones, ace, everyone but thunder standards and venture standards. cause if you notice too on the more premium thunder/venture trucks/painted/hollow/light they put the better white bushings compared to the standard solid thunder or venture that have the clear yellow or blue bushing/red for venture

the clear bushings are still good, nothing wrong with them at all, but if you want more consistent bushings thatll last longer , solid color bushings are always the best choice. i noticed it comparing my clear yellow thunder bushings with my black and white set of thunder bushings, both the black set and white set have better rebound and response compared to the yellow
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jake From State Farm on June 27, 2016, 11:58:47 PM
I'm really liking Ace 44's. I'm keeping the bushings stock, they're breaking in nicely.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on June 28, 2016, 09:22:15 AM
Quote from: Jake From State Farm on June 27, 2016, 11:58:47 PM
I'm really liking Ace 44's. I'm keeping the bushings stock, they're breaking in nicely.
Word. I decided too switch back to the stock bushings for a little while and they are definitely really nice once broken in. The bushings in the newer trucks must be better than the old ones because I can't see anything about them worth complaining about. Or else I just don't give a shit about anything. Which could easily be it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 28, 2016, 01:57:20 PM
Quote from: Cherb on June 28, 2016, 09:22:15 AM
Quote from: Jake From State Farm on June 27, 2016, 11:58:47 PM
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I'm really liking Ace 44's. I'm keeping the bushings stock, they're breaking in nicely.
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Word. I decided too switch back to the stock bushings for a little while and they are definitely really nice once broken in. The bushings in the newer trucks must be better than the old ones because I can't see anything about them worth complaining about. Or else I just don't give a shit about anything. Which could easily be it.

The newer bushings are much better, though I still prefer krux or indy conical reds in mine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on June 29, 2016, 03:03:37 AM
i just got a set of indys that are as wide as my thunders 149 but are slightly higher and that pisses me off. so i went to have a look for truck sizing charts and came across this beaut
does anyone know if this is a photoshop job or is it for real and if its for real, who the fuck rides this shit?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on June 29, 2016, 03:13:59 AM
^it's real, what a waste of metal
longboard shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on June 29, 2016, 06:56:43 AM
Quote from: Xen on June 28, 2016, 01:57:20 PM
Quote from: Cherb on June 28, 2016, 09:22:15 AM
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Quote from: Jake From State Farm on June 27, 2016, 11:58:47 PM
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I'm really liking Ace 44's. I'm keeping the bushings stock, they're breaking in nicely.
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Word. I decided too switch back to the stock bushings for a little while and they are definitely really nice once broken in. The bushings in the newer trucks must be better than the old ones because I can't see anything about them worth complaining about. Or else I just don't give a shit about anything. Which could easily be it.
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The newer bushings are much better, though I still prefer krux or indy conical reds in mine.
So you're saying I might still give a shit. There's a chance for me!

I love duh krux though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on June 29, 2016, 07:24:49 AM
Quote from: Esquivel on June 29, 2016, 03:03:37 AM
i just got a set of indys that are as wide as my thunders 149 but are slightly higher and that pisses me off. so i went to have a look for truck sizing charts and came across this beaut
does anyone know if this is a photoshop job or is it for real and if its for real, who the fuck rides this shit?
It is a real thing, my friend just cruises and has a pair of these.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on June 29, 2016, 10:54:45 PM
hahaha im pretty sure they are not very good for tailslides/noseslides because the wheels are going to be touching the side of the ledge too much
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on June 29, 2016, 11:22:25 PM
Quote from: Esquivel on June 29, 2016, 10:54:45 PM
hahaha im pretty sure they are not very good for tailslides/noseslides because the wheels are going to be touching the side of the ledge too much
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on June 30, 2016, 11:53:42 PM
Got bored and messed around with some extra truck gear today. I noticed when I took the hanger off the set of Ace's I had that sounded really dead, the kingpin moved around a bit. Needless to say I found the culprit. I know using Bones bushings without a bottom washer and having wobbly ass trucks probably added to more stress on the kingpin, but even when they were stock and brand new they didn't sound right, therefore I'm calling it a defective set. I'm too broke to pay for shipping and send them to Ace though haha.

I have another set, and I found a trick to maintain the stock geometry while still having a nice wobble. The washers that come with Bones bushings, putting two of them under each bottom bushing gets it even with an Ace bushing and the stock washer. Bones' top bushing is actually taller than an Ace top, so I'm going to omit the top washer protecting the Bones bushing and see how it goes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 08, 2016, 10:00:39 AM
Not sure if Indy pivot cups work in Ace, but from what I've read on here it seems like Khiro is a way more quality product if you're going to spend money on aftermarket cups, so I would just get those.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 08, 2016, 10:15:27 AM
Indy/Thunder/Theeve/Khiro pivot cups are al interchangeable.

Theeve ships with cups on par with Khiro softs.

Thunder ships with hard ass cups, indy and ace are a bit softer. whatever.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 08, 2016, 01:34:38 PM
Bmcsteve brought me back some khiros from socal and I couldn't get them in a forged Indy baseplate. They were a hair too wide and I couldn't jam them in. Had to go buy some Indy pivot cups.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 08, 2016, 02:55:25 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 08, 2016, 01:34:38 PM
Bmcsteve brought me back some khiros from socal and I couldn't get them in a forged Indy baseplate. They were a hair too wide and I couldn't jam them in. Had to go buy some Indy pivot cups.

Even if you did jam them in, they would stick up above the baseplate as they're easily 1/8" taller, if not more than regular pivot cups!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jake From State Farm on July 08, 2016, 02:56:50 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 08, 2016, 01:34:38 PM
Bmcsteve brought me back some khiros from socal and I couldn't get them in a forged Indy baseplate. They were a hair too wide and I couldn't jam them in. Had to go buy some Indy pivot cups.

I had that issue with khiro soft pivot cups in just regular indys. they stuck out a lot, but they worked
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 08, 2016, 03:03:46 PM
Quote from: Jake From State Farm on July 08, 2016, 02:56:50 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 08, 2016, 01:34:38 PM
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Bmcsteve brought me back some khiros from socal and I couldn't get them in a forged Indy baseplate. They were a hair too wide and I couldn't jam them in. Had to go buy some Indy pivot cups.
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I had that issue with khiro soft pivot cups in just regular indys. they stuck out a lot, but they worked

Yeah, they stick up a few mm, hardly noticeable in use (on forged plates anyway); they fit flush in ACEs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 09, 2016, 09:41:18 AM
What's the deal w. the new ace axel nuts?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 09, 2016, 10:48:38 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 09, 2016, 09:41:18 AM
What's the deal w. the new ace axel nuts?

I want some. I see random pictures of skate shops that have them on their trucks as if they came stock. But apparently Ace is selling them separately? I don't know...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on July 09, 2016, 11:55:28 AM
Quote from: Main on July 09, 2016, 10:48:38 AM
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What's the deal w. the new ace axel nuts?
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I want some. I see random pictures of skate shops that have them on their trucks as if they came stock. But apparently Ace is selling them separately? I don't know...

Could you post a pic? I haven't seen them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 09, 2016, 12:12:42 PM
Why do you want them?  Lighter? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 09, 2016, 02:10:37 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/-S00hshjtR/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/-S00hshjtR/)

I just want 'em cause they look cool.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 09, 2016, 09:12:46 PM
Where'd you get them at? My local shops have the newer redesigns but no 3/8 specials.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 09, 2016, 10:48:44 PM
Purpose?  I could see a nut w. A built in speed ring to push up against the race....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on July 10, 2016, 06:59:26 AM
I know there was a thread on these a year or 2 ago, but I was wondering what some playa pimps think about it now:

Riders talk about testing Avenue Suspension Trucks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib7ReAxkhYI#)

My only worry about them (besides being teased, skater's trying to give me a johhny or worse... an Indian burn!) would be transitioning comfortably back to normal trucks afterwards. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 10, 2016, 08:18:02 AM
Quote from: clamy on July 10, 2016, 02:39:58 AM
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Where'd you get them at? My local shops have the newer redesigns but no 3/8 specials.
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A shop in Melbourne, so they should be widely available in the US if I can get them in Australia. Maybe ask Socal?

Quote from: j....soy..... on July 09, 2016, 10:48:44 PM
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Purpose?  I could see a nut w. A built in speed ring to push up against the race....
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No idea, but I'm digging the thicker speed rings that come with Ace. I stacked two Ace speed rings on the inside and put a thinner Indy one on the outside. There's less space for the wheels to move when the axle nuts are flush compared to what I had with Indies. With Indies, 3 rings on the inside didn't work, and two on the inside created more space when trying to get the nuts flush.

I remember 'speed rings' which were really small and convex....never really understood why but I get it now, to limit the contact w. The bearing. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 10, 2016, 08:37:48 AM
The 3/8 special nuts protect the axle from being dethreaded I'm pretty sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on July 10, 2016, 10:20:04 AM
so...139's or 149's on a 8.25 ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 10, 2016, 10:22:38 AM
Quote from: the snake on July 10, 2016, 10:20:04 AM
so...139's or 149's on a 8.25 ?
I'd go 139s BUT it doesn't really matter. I'd base it off of if you plan on sizing up or down in the near future.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 10, 2016, 01:19:26 PM
Quote from: the snake on July 10, 2016, 10:20:04 AM
so...139's or 149's on a 8.25 ?

149, it will be so much better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OldManSkate on July 10, 2016, 01:44:41 PM
Quote from: the snake on July 10, 2016, 10:20:04 AM
so...139's or 149's on a 8.25 ?
149s. More stable IMO but it's all personal preference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 10, 2016, 02:43:05 PM
149....axel is 8.5 inches no?  I just assumed if you're in this thread you'd care if your nuts stuck out.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 10, 2016, 04:09:47 PM
like bmc steve said before, its about flipability vs stability, 139 for flips and 149 for the stable ride
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: swag nollies on July 10, 2016, 04:34:35 PM
Still rocking my venture 5.0 lows on a 8.25 deck. The bushings are dust but I cant take the nut off to change them, probly 8-9 years old. My favorite trucks and I dont want to get new ones, so used to them and can predict how therye gonna act.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ZEBRA on July 10, 2016, 10:57:56 PM
Quote from: franquietits on July 10, 2016, 06:59:26 AM
I know there was a thread on these a year or 2 ago, but I was wondering what some playa pimps think about it now:

Riders talk about testing Avenue Suspension Trucks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib7ReAxkhYI#)

My only worry about them (besides being teased, skater's trying to give me a johhny or worse... an Indian burn!) would be transitioning comfortably back to normal trucks afterwards. 

I haven't met anyone that has skated them that actually knows what they're talking about, so I have no real info on them. I don't do any drops or stairs or anything, so not sure if they would actually do anything for me. I'm a bigger guy. 5'7" on a good day, 200lbs.

I'm super interested in them though. If I'm ever able to, I'm definitely down to try a set.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 11, 2016, 12:45:47 AM
Quote from: ZEBRA on July 10, 2016, 10:57:56 PM
Quote from: franquietits on July 10, 2016, 06:59:26 AM
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I know there was a thread on these a year or 2 ago, but I was wondering what some playa pimps think about it now:

Riders talk about testing Avenue Suspension Trucks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib7ReAxkhYI#)

My only worry about them (besides being teased, skater's trying to give me a johhny or worse... an Indian burn!) would be transitioning comfortably back to normal trucks afterwards. 
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I haven't met anyone that has skated them that actually knows what they're talking about, so I have no real info on them. I don't do any drops or stairs or anything, so not sure if they would actually do anything for me. I'm a bigger guy. 5'7" on a good day, 200lbs.

I'm super interested in them though. If I'm ever able to, I'm definitely down to try a set.

You can pre-order them but they're around 70 a pair, might as well get titanium trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 11, 2016, 01:25:10 AM
Quote from: ZEBRA on July 10, 2016, 10:57:56 PM
Quote from: franquietits on July 10, 2016, 06:59:26 AM
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I know there was a thread on these a year or 2 ago, but I was wondering what some playa pimps think about it now:

Riders talk about testing Avenue Suspension Trucks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib7ReAxkhYI#)

My only worry about them (besides being teased, skater's trying to give me a johhny or worse... an Indian burn!) would be transitioning comfortably back to normal trucks afterwards. 
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I haven't met anyone that has skated them that actually knows what they're talking about, so I have no real info on them. I don't do any drops or stairs or anything, so not sure if they would actually do anything for me. I'm a bigger guy. 5'7" on a good day, 200lbs.

I'm super interested in them though. If I'm ever able to, I'm definitely down to try a set.

from what ive seen online they just have a different pivoting turn cause of the way the baseplate is and that the tradtional T tool doesnt work for the back bolts. the turn is smoother supposedly, like less effort to turn
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on July 11, 2016, 01:42:36 AM
Quote from: OldManSkate on July 10, 2016, 01:44:41 PM
Quote from: the snake on July 10, 2016, 10:20:04 AM
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so...139's or 149's on a 8.25 ?
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149s. More stable IMO but it's all personal preference.

if you  are talking about thunder trucks then its not personal preference. 149 is for 8.25 and over. if you use 139m on a 8.25 board the trucks are too narrow for that board and it just looks daft like a kid's board and its generally weird to lock into grinds and to skate (should be rad for pressure flips though). if you cant afford a new set of trucks then fair play.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 11, 2016, 08:52:19 AM
I take back anything bad I've said about Mini Logo trucks. Avenue trucks gave me cancer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on July 11, 2016, 10:02:23 AM
149s will be the next trucks i buy, but first shoes and tires, fucking wisdom !
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on July 11, 2016, 11:06:24 AM
what's the change from 139s to 149s like? is the difference in weight noticeable?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on July 11, 2016, 11:14:17 AM
do the math stuff for us, steve ^^
hollow included please
 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 11, 2016, 04:24:21 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on July 11, 2016, 11:06:24 AM
what's the change from 139s to 149s like? is the difference in weight noticeable?

Ha! I feel like I know most of this stuff off the top of my head at this point.  It's taking the place of other information in my brain like my wife's birth date.

The difference in weight between 139s and 149s is overall pretty small.  You're looking at 15-20g per truck depending on the model. 

There is a bigger weight difference going from standard to say titanium.  For example, 149 Titaniums are 340g. 139 Standards are 376g. 

If moving up to 149s in the same model you wont notice the weight difference but you will notice that it's slightly more difficult to flip your board (less leverage) but you'll have more stability.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 11, 2016, 06:10:15 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 11, 2016, 04:24:21 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on July 11, 2016, 11:06:24 AM
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what's the change from 139s to 149s like? is the difference in weight noticeable?
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Ha! I feel like I know most of this stuff off the top of my head at this point.  It's taking the place of other information in my brain like my wife's birth date.

The difference in weight between 139s and 149s is overall pretty small.  You're looking at 15-20g per truck depending on the model. 

There is a bigger weight difference going from standard to say titanium.  For example, 149 Titaniums are 340g. 139 Standards are 376g. 

If moving up to 149s in the same model you wont notice the weight difference but you will notice that it's slightly more difficult to flip your board (less leverage) but you'll have more stability.



Damnit, Steve, you forgot Hollows.  ::)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 11, 2016, 09:10:16 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 11, 2016, 06:10:15 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 11, 2016, 04:24:21 PM
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Quote from: ChuckRamone on July 11, 2016, 11:06:24 AM
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what's the change from 139s to 149s like? is the difference in weight noticeable?
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Ha! I feel like I know most of this stuff off the top of my head at this point.  It's taking the place of other information in my brain like my wife's birth date.

The difference in weight between 139s and 149s is overall pretty small.  You're looking at 15-20g per truck depending on the model. 

There is a bigger weight difference going from standard to say titanium.  For example, 149 Titaniums are 340g. 139 Standards are 376g. 

If moving up to 149s in the same model you wont notice the weight difference but you will notice that it's slightly more difficult to flip your board (less leverage) but you'll have more stability.


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Damnit, Steve, you forgot Hollows.  ::)

You know how I roll, titanium only  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on July 13, 2016, 07:39:49 AM
So I know the forged Thunder 149 plates are slightly lower than the regular team plates, but does that apply to the 147's too?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 13, 2016, 08:07:48 AM
Quote from: GOATMOON on July 13, 2016, 07:39:49 AM
So I know the forged Thunder 149 plates are slightly lower than the regular team plates, but does that apply to the 147's too?
Yes. Just assume, regardless of company, that the forged bp trucks are a mm or 2 lower.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 13, 2016, 08:58:48 AM
I'm back on wobbly ass Ace's again. I just use the smaller truck washer underneath the bottom Bones to keep it seated somewhat properly, even though it slides all up and down that kingpin haha. No top washer this time around. Now this is the ultimate sweet spot, the bottom washer keeps it just slightly more stable while still having that wobble. No wheelbite and best turn on the planet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on July 13, 2016, 10:49:47 AM
Just put my THUNDER 151s back on my setup to take a break from Ace 44s and to compare the two. Things I've noticed: the timing on my pop is a little off but the wider trucks feel so much better on slappies (grinds  'feel' nicer also) and weirdly even though my timing is off I landed my first 360 flip in months. The Thunders are with stock bushings and feel much more  stiff and stable but you still get that super responsive turn when needed. Bombed a hill and felt more secure on the Thunders. Both solid trucks. I can't commit to one brand even if it fucks up my consistency but going to ride the 151s until they're dead as they are already at axle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 13, 2016, 05:40:17 PM
Quote from: N.L. on July 13, 2016, 10:49:47 AM
Just put my THUNDER 151s back on my setup to take a break from Ace 44s and to compare the two. Things I've noticed: the timing on my pop is a little off but the wider trucks feel so much better on slappies (grinds  'feel' nicer also) and weirdly even though my timing is off I landed my first 360 flip in months. The Thunders are with stock bushings and feel much more  stiff and stable but you still get that super responsive turn when needed. Bombed a hill and felt more secure on the Thunders. Both solid trucks. I can't commit to one brand even if it fucks up my consistency but going to ride the 151s until they're dead as they are already at axle.

I feel your pain....at least we have each other to make it through this bro <3
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on July 13, 2016, 05:42:29 PM
Anyone else notice that dull sounding ride, that i've about on here from aces, I wanna try them, but love my thunders and that dull sound, sounds terrible
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jake From State Farm on July 13, 2016, 05:54:29 PM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on July 13, 2016, 05:42:29 PM
Anyone else notice that dull sounding ride, that i've about on here from aces, I wanna try them, but love my thunders and that dull sound, sounds terrible

Sort of. The 44's I got from Nallid are already bent just as much as the Thunders I skated for 10 months. They feel fine though. I'll probably be back to Independents after the Aces are done.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 13, 2016, 07:06:02 PM
This new set of Ace's I have didn't sound dull when everything was stock. But now that I'm riding 'em with Bones bushings and only a bottom washer, it sounds dull again. I think it's just cause of the whole wobble thing, if I put the stock bushings and both washers back on it would probably go back to sounding normal.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 14, 2016, 08:34:24 AM
Check your kingpin and see if it's loose, that was the culprit with my last set of Ace's. I don't know why it would sound dull otherwise.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 14, 2016, 11:29:02 AM
The dullness could be engineered right into the truck to counter all the unnecessary hype.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: epiclystellar on July 14, 2016, 11:44:40 AM
Anybody have a pic of Indy 159 next to Ace 55 and possibly even Indy 149 and Ace 44. All in a row so you can see the size difference. Skated Indy 149 forever and recently switched to Ace 44 with Krux DL kingpin with Ace bottom bushing and Krux top bushing and love everything about them but would prefer to go a little wider so just want to see the how the size difference looks.

I haven't put a Krux DL kingpin in Indys yet so whats the preferred bushing combination on Indys with a Krux DL kingpin?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 14, 2016, 12:45:54 PM
Quote from: epiclystellar on July 14, 2016, 11:44:40 AM
Anybody have a pic of Indy 159 next to Ace 55 and possibly even Indy 149 and Ace 44. All in a row so you can see the size difference. Skated Indy 149 forever and recently switched to Ace 44 with Krux DL kingpin with Ace bottom bushing and Krux top bushing and love everything about them but would prefer to go a little wider so just want to see the how the size difference looks.

I haven't put a Krux DL kingpin in Indys yet so whats the preferred bushing combination on Indys with a Krux DL kingpin?

Ace 44's are 8.38"
Indy 149's are 8.5"

Ace 55's are 8.875"
Indy 159's are 8.75"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 2thick on July 15, 2016, 09:08:13 AM
Theeves or thunders... I need a break from Indy right now. I'll probabaly back to them within a few months
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 15, 2016, 09:37:32 AM
Quote from: 2thick on July 15, 2016, 09:08:13 AM
Theeves or thunders... I need a break from Indy right now. I'll probabaly back to them within a few months

I've said it a few times but Theeve are the best trucks I've ever skated.  I had issues with the kingpings becoming loose in 2 sets in a row and got soured by them but I'm thinking of going back.  Could have been a bad production run but they're the best turning and most stable truck on the planet
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 15, 2016, 11:34:33 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 15, 2016, 09:37:32 AM
Quote from: 2thick on July 15, 2016, 09:08:13 AM
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Theeves or thunders... I need a break from Indy right now. I'll probabaly back to them within a few months
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I've said it a few times but Theeve are the best trucks I've ever skated.  I had issues with the kingpings becoming loose in 2 sets in a row and got soured by them but I'm thinking of going back.  Could have been a bad production run but they're the best turning and most stable truck on the planet

I'd still like to know why all the big names on their team left for Indy. Ben Raybourn used to sell the Theeves they gave him to buy Indy's so they kicked him off haha. I wonder if it was during the time production issues were present?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 15, 2016, 11:38:26 AM
Quote from: Main on July 15, 2016, 11:34:33 AM
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Theeves or thunders... I need a break from Indy right now. I'll probabaly back to them within a few months
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I've said it a few times but Theeve are the best trucks I've ever skated.  I had issues with the kingpings becoming loose in 2 sets in a row and got soured by them but I'm thinking of going back.  Could have been a bad production run but they're the best turning and most stable truck on the planet
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I'd still like to know why all the big names on their team left for Indy. Ben Raybourn used to sell the Theeves they gave him to buy Indy's so they kicked him off haha. I wonder if it was during the time production issues were present?

That's probably the case.  Their V1 and V2 models were plagued by bulging bushings after just a couple sessions.  Those were resolved with the V3 models.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heritage on July 15, 2016, 12:34:14 PM
Steve - What model were you skating? The TiAX v3? It's interesting they come stock with Bones bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 15, 2016, 01:02:08 PM
Quote from: heritage on July 15, 2016, 12:34:14 PM
Steve - What model were you skating? The TiAX v3? It's interesting they come stock with Bones bushings.

I was skating the TiKings.  They had a titanium axle and a hollow titanium kingpin.  They are pretty much impossible to find now.  I think they stopped making the kingpins.  There might not be an issue with the TiAx - titanium axle/steel kingpin.

I hate using bones bushings in Indy and other trucks.  they just never seem to fit quite right for me and squish out after a couple months.  Theeve however designed their trucks around bones bushings so they fit perfectly and last forever in them.

More interesting is that after a 2 year hiatus they now have the TiHanger trucks back in stock.  Solid one piece titanium hanger with the axle machined from the hanger.  No axle, no chance for it to slip.  Also, they are the lightest truck on the planet.  even lighter than tensor magnesium

http://shop.surplusskate.com/collections/theeve/products/tihanger-raw-raw (http://shop.surplusskate.com/collections/theeve/products/tihanger-raw-raw)

I'm on a bit more of a budget so I haven't thrown down the $150 for them......yet
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heritage on July 15, 2016, 01:06:59 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 15, 2016, 01:02:08 PM
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Steve - What model were you skating? The TiAX v3? It's interesting they come stock with Bones bushings.
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I was skating the TiKings.  They had a titanium axle and a hollow titanium kingpin.  They are pretty much impossible to find now.  I think they stopped making the kingpins.  There might not be an issue with the TiAx - titanium axle/steel kingpin.

I hate using bones bushings in Indy and other trucks.  they just never seem to fit quite right for me and squish out after a couple months.  Theeve however designed their trucks around bones bushings so they fit perfectly and last forever in them.

More interesting is that after a 2 year hiatus they now have the TiHanger trucks back in stock.  Solid one piece titanium hanger with the axle machined from the hanger.  No axle, no chance for it to slip.  Also, they are the lightest truck on the planet.  even lighter than tensor magnesium

http://shop.surplusskate.com/collections/theeve/products/tihanger-raw-raw (http://shop.surplusskate.com/collections/theeve/products/tihanger-raw-raw)

I'm on a bit more of a budget so I haven't thrown down the $150 for them......yet

WHOA! $150! I've personally never skated Theeve but I've heard a lot of people rave about them over the years. I saw those TiKings on the Theeve webshop.

I've actually never used Bones bushings. I got turned onto Khiro conicals with the metal insert a few years ago and haven't used anything else since.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on July 15, 2016, 01:21:01 PM
ive never had a set of bones meds squish on me... don't think I skate em tight enough to do it... arguably also may not be tight enough to get any benefit from them.

I will say, I tried out some after marker Indy bushings during the one time ive rolled around while nursing my ankle, and they were rad.  might have to give em a go for real when I'm back actually skating again.  seemed like a softer, but bouncy back, type of turn. that's my technical description. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 15, 2016, 01:25:28 PM
TiKing's are still being made: http://www.theevetrucks.com/product/Theeve-TiKing-Raw-Trucks (http://www.theevetrucks.com/product/Theeve-TiKing-Raw-Trucks)

I've found the secret to Bones...just get hards. I don't have to worry about a break in period because I weigh 210lbs, but for others just tough it out and they will last pretty much forever once broken in. The mediums get squished eventually in pretty much every truck besides Theeve.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 15, 2016, 01:29:25 PM
It took 2 years for the orc smiths to forge those in the fires on Mt. Doom. $150 is ridiculous though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 15, 2016, 01:37:56 PM
Quote from: Main on July 15, 2016, 01:25:28 PM
TiKing's are still being made: http://www.theevetrucks.com/product/Theeve-TiKing-Raw-Trucks (http://www.theevetrucks.com/product/Theeve-TiKing-Raw-Trucks)

I've found the secret to Bones...just get hards. I don't have to worry about a break in period because I weigh 210lbs, but for others just tough it out and they will last pretty much forever once broken in. The mediums get squished eventually in pretty much every truck besides Theeve.

I swear, these were not on the site a week ago.  Just hit up my contact at their distribution office and if they have them in US, I'm going to swing by their office tomorrow and grab some
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 15, 2016, 03:18:26 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 15, 2016, 01:37:56 PM
Quote from: Main on July 15, 2016, 01:25:28 PM
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TiKing's are still being made: http://www.theevetrucks.com/product/Theeve-TiKing-Raw-Trucks (http://www.theevetrucks.com/product/Theeve-TiKing-Raw-Trucks)

I've found the secret to Bones...just get hards. I don't have to worry about a break in period because I weigh 210lbs, but for others just tough it out and they will last pretty much forever once broken in. The mediums get squished eventually in pretty much every truck besides Theeve.
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I swear, these were not on the site a week ago.  Just hit up my contact at their distribution office and if they have them in US, I'm going to swing by their office tomorrow and grab some

Keep us posted on how they work out man!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on July 15, 2016, 03:23:47 PM
I might be stuck in my ways but I can't bring myself to ever deviate from Indy, Thunder or Ace.... maybe Krux.

Truck Wars!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 15, 2016, 04:46:36 PM
Quote from: N.L. on July 15, 2016, 03:23:47 PM
I might be stuck in my ways but I can't bring myself to ever deviate from Indy, Thunder or Ace.... maybe Krux.

Truck Wars!
Aren't they called Theeve because they used designs from other brands and brought them together? At least that's what I heard or believe.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 15, 2016, 05:37:50 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on July 15, 2016, 04:46:36 PM
Quote from: N.L. on July 15, 2016, 03:23:47 PM
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I might be stuck in my ways but I can't bring myself to ever deviate from Indy, Thunder or Ace.... maybe Krux.

Truck Wars!
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Aren't they called Theeve because they used designs from other brands and brought them together? At least that's what I heard or believe.

Yeah, they're basically an Indy Stage 7 maybe slightly different.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baravettski on July 15, 2016, 09:49:39 PM
Quote from: Main on July 13, 2016, 08:58:48 AM
I'm back on wobbly ass Ace's again. I just use the smaller truck washer underneath the bottom Bones to keep it seated somewhat properly, even though it slides all up and down that kingpin haha. No top washer this time around. Now this is the ultimate sweet spot, the bottom washer keeps it just slightly more stable while still having that wobble. No wheelbite and best turn on the planet.

I think I'm ready to give some Aces a try. Always back and forth between Thunder and Indy, I think I've been on Indy for about the last 3 years or so, but I have another homie that swears up and down that Ace are the best. I pretty much always ride 139's even with big boards, 149 always felt too wide so maybe those 44s will be the jam.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 15, 2016, 10:11:29 PM
Quote from: baravettski on July 15, 2016, 09:49:39 PM
I think I'm ready to give some Aces a try. Always back and forth between Thunder and Indy, I think I've been on Indy for about the last 3 years or so, but I have another homie that swears up and down that Ace are the best. I pretty much always ride 139's even with big boards, 149 always felt too wide so maybe those 44s will be the jam.

I think they'll work perfect for you man. They're all around fun fuckin' trucks that really stand out from the rest.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 16, 2016, 12:16:33 AM
woah, theeves you say. i remember getting a set and they were so nice.

so stable but i had the V2 and i remember that problem with the bushings popping out and then the kingpin getting loose and wobbly(which was odd cause the guy who started theeve said on the berrics trajectory video on theeve that he quit indy to start theeve cause of the baseplate/kingpin and look at that).

for a 55mm hi truck i actually liked them cause they didnt feel the tallness they were. they felt really proper. got the warranty and got the v3 lows and they are good but the grind clearance is bad cause theyre lows(compared to indy lows, venture lo and thunder lows) but overall they are a nice set of trucks.

oh but theeve also have a sorta odd feeling base plate to board feel kind of casting compared to standard gravity cast trucks. like thunder or indy feel really solid and firm but theeves are like light and solid feeling on the deck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on July 18, 2016, 09:14:49 AM
first session on 149mm (put my actual bushings on them to avoid the brand new shit breakin) on a 8.25, holy shit that's perfect, should have made the jump 2 years ago ! thank you Slap !
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on July 18, 2016, 09:16:38 AM
now I want 149's again....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on July 18, 2016, 09:20:50 AM
Quote from: the snake on July 18, 2016, 09:14:49 AM
first session on 149mm (put my actual bushings on them to avoid the brand new shit breakin) on a 8.25, holy shit that's perfect, should have made the jump 2 years ago ! thank you Slap !


truly is the magic number
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on July 18, 2016, 09:29:20 AM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on July 18, 2016, 09:16:38 AM
now I want 149's again....
dat stability on landings bro...and my flip tricks are more powerfull too, love them ^^
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 18, 2016, 09:51:38 PM
Anyone here ever try the Ace magnesium baseplates? How much lighter was your setup?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 18, 2016, 11:04:38 PM
Aw man....so we're back to theeves? 

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 19, 2016, 03:44:44 AM
Ahah is that a bummed aw man or a nostalgic aw man?

Theeves were actually pretty decent to me for a hi truck, I guess cause of how light they were or maybe the geometry I didn't get that lag I get from Indy stage 11 standards on the pop.

I wanna try a set of those v3 highs cause I had the v2 and the Indy bushing swap worked for a moment but eventually the v2 bushing pop out persisted and just happened and it bugged me even though it probably didn't hurt my turning or anything much

I have the v3 lows and they're good but the grind clearance like I mentioned before really throws me off
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: christ0v on July 19, 2016, 04:20:59 AM
whats up this lag you all talking about ? The time it takes to reach the ground ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on July 19, 2016, 12:11:40 PM
added a third inside washer to my 147 axles and its made a huge difference in stability, especially with the slightly wider than 8.25 board im riding now, 3 really is the magic number, yes it is.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on July 19, 2016, 12:54:05 PM
Theeves have the best turn because of their oval yoke imo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 19, 2016, 02:12:04 PM
I'm fuckin' pissed. Second set of Ace's in a row where my kingpins are loose. Just started getting the perfect groove in my back truck, too. Is this going to happen with any truck I ride wobbly loose?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 19, 2016, 02:36:12 PM
I kind of miss riding theeve (TiKings), at the time, they were lighter than indy, a mid truck and had a faster feel to them (like Thunders). If it wasn't for the baseplate issues (I ride really loose and the pivot cup area would end up enlarging causing daewobble).

Was always waiting for them to release a forged plate to get them down to thunder height.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 19, 2016, 03:01:00 PM
Quote from: Main on July 19, 2016, 02:12:04 PM
I'm fuckin' pissed. Second set of Ace's in a row where my kingpins are loose. Just started getting the perfect groove in my back truck, too. Is this going to happen with any truck I ride wobbly loose?

The aluminum that Ace uses is soft which is why they grind so smooth but its also going to cause issues like this. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 19, 2016, 03:43:56 PM
Quote from: Main on July 18, 2016, 09:51:38 PM
Anyone here ever try the Ace magnesium baseplates? How much lighter was your setup?

Yep. I'm running them on my setup. They've lasted for a long time (I don't run them on the street much and don't do big drops); not sure you can even find them anymore. They are significantly lighter (you can also add the krux pin for extra love AND fix your kingpin wobble issue).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 19, 2016, 04:35:50 PM
Quote from: christ0v on July 19, 2016, 04:20:59 AM
whats up this lag you all talking about ? The time it takes to reach the ground ?

Yes, cause whenever I cruise down the street and need to haul and there's crappy SoCal cracks that I gotta slight pop over the time it takes for my tail to angle up so I can atleast get a ghost pop is slow and I get these odd feeling laggy ollies

Thunders though, they act fast
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 19, 2016, 09:09:15 PM
I really don't want to be done with Ace but since I'm addicted to the wobble I feel like I'm just going to loosen the kingpin on each set. Indy is...boring. Don't know what truck to turn to :/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 19, 2016, 11:34:34 PM
Unfortunately.......theeve....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 20, 2016, 12:08:37 AM
The Theeve face engraved into the baseplate below the bushings and the model indication in black on the hanger makes them look like trucks I'd buy at Target though. If they didn't have that shit I'd probably try them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on July 20, 2016, 12:50:27 AM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on July 19, 2016, 12:11:40 PM
added a third inside washer to my 147 axles and its made a huge difference in stability, especially with the slightly wider than 8.25 board im riding now, 3 really is the magic number, yes it is.
haha, i had 5 inside washers and none on the outside on my 139s, try it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on July 20, 2016, 06:34:19 AM
 :o 5? thats dope, doesnt no outside washer fuck up your roll though?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on July 20, 2016, 10:07:56 AM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on July 20, 2016, 06:34:19 AM
:o 5? thats dope, doesnt no outside washer fuck up your roll though?
nope, the rolling isn't affected if you use speedrings, that allow you to tight the nuts, just have to check the nuts after every session cause they'll be flush
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on July 21, 2016, 08:27:52 AM
Quote from: Main on July 20, 2016, 12:08:37 AM
The Theeve face engraved into the baseplate below the bushings and the model indication in black on the hanger makes them look like trucks I'd buy at Target though. If they didn't have that shit I'd probably try them.

I feel the same way about ACE hangars...they look like toys
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 21, 2016, 01:44:34 PM
Quote from: Main on July 20, 2016, 12:08:37 AM
The Theeve face engraved into the baseplate below the bushings and the model indication in black on the hanger makes them look like trucks I'd buy at Target though. If they didn't have that shit I'd probably try them.

You mean, like Thunder does?

http://www.thundertrucks.com/catalog/spring16/ (http://www.thundertrucks.com/catalog/spring16/)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bluntstofakie on July 21, 2016, 01:58:22 PM
Quote from: Main on July 19, 2016, 09:09:15 PM
I really don't want to be done with Ace but since I'm addicted to the wobble I feel like I'm just going to loosen the kingpin on each set. Indy is...boring. Don't know what truck to turn to :/
Why not just keep skating the aces? I have a set thats had crazy wobble on both kingpins for like 6 months and it doesn't bother me. I have a set of stage 11 indys as well, and the rear kingpin has almost as much wobble as the aces. They're the normal not hollow or forged ones fwiw.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 21, 2016, 05:29:49 PM
Yeah, anything besides Thunder team's look ridiculous as well. Don't know how someone can say Ace hangers look like toys, though. Definitely the best looking hanger on the market especially with the newer designs.

But I'm not going to keep skating the Ace's and have the kingpin snap, or collapse while I'm going full speed. If anyone wants the two used sets let me know.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jake From State Farm on July 21, 2016, 11:23:19 PM
Quote from: Main on July 21, 2016, 05:29:49 PM
Yeah, anything besides Thunder team's look ridiculous as well. Don't know how someone can say Ace hangers look like toys, though. Definitely the best looking hanger on the market especially with the newer designs.

But I'm not going to keep skating the Ace's and have the kingpin snap, or collapse while I'm going full speed. If anyone wants the two used sets let me know.

two used sets? 44's?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 21, 2016, 11:44:29 PM
Quote from: Main on July 21, 2016, 05:29:49 PM
But I'm not going to keep skating the Ace's and have the kingpin snap, or collapse while I'm going full speed.
This is a thing? Damn, I really want to try aces too...
Basically I just want to mix it up because indys don't turn/ respond like they used too (I'm in the Geoof Rowley camp on this one - probably the only camp him and I share). Maybe I should go back to thunders, it'll only be like what 20 years since I rocked a pair
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on July 22, 2016, 01:32:40 AM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on July 21, 2016, 11:44:29 PM
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But I'm not going to keep skating the Ace's and have the kingpin snap, or collapse while I'm going full speed.
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This is a thing? Damn, I really want to try aces too...
Basically I just want to mix it up because indys don't turn/ respond like they used too (I'm in the Geoof Rowley camp on this one - probably the only camp him and I share). Maybe I should go back to thunders, it'll only be like what 20 years since I rocked a pair
Do it. Thunders got the quick snappy turn. I switch back and forth between them and ace's but I roll with the ace's more often. They have a much deeper turn. And I've honestly never used indy's in my life...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on July 22, 2016, 04:51:53 AM
Quote from: Cherb on July 22, 2016, 01:32:40 AM
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But I'm not going to keep skating the Ace's and have the kingpin snap, or collapse while I'm going full speed.
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This is a thing? Damn, I really want to try aces too...
Basically I just want to mix it up because indys don't turn/ respond like they used too (I'm in the Geoof Rowley camp on this one - probably the only camp him and I share). Maybe I should go back to thunders, it'll only be like what 20 years since I rocked a pair
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Do it. Thunders got the quick snappy turn. I switch back and forth between them and ace's but I roll with the ace's more often. They have a much deeper turn. And I've honestly never used indy's in my life...
Agreed, Thunders have maybe the funnest turn for street skating(granted i mean with replacement thunder bushings and no bottom washer), really good for finicky skate situations, super fun
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 22, 2016, 11:16:00 AM
But you guys realize that you could just ride indys and have the best of both worlds......

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 22, 2016, 12:11:43 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 22, 2016, 11:16:00 AM
But you guys realize that you could just ride indys and have the best of both worlds......

I keep thinking that's the case and running forged TI indys with conical bushings get's you closer to what thunder offers but it's still a different feel.

If there was a true best of both worlds truck, I'd ride it, even if it was made by Tensor, Royal, Fury or Minifuckinglogo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on July 22, 2016, 12:35:31 PM
Do you guys get Krux' to turn deeply?

I have a pair on my cruiser, with 54 mm conical keyframes and they turn nice and all up to a point where they just won't turn any deeper. With 54 mm wheels it is impossible to get wheelbite with the Krux'. Way before getting wheelbite, the truck just won't bend further. I can get my cruiser board on two wheels easily. 54 mm wheels, no risers and I weigh 90 kg (200 lbs).

I kinda feel like I should have gone with the Ace 44s instead for the cruiser. Krux' were just more easily available and cheaper.  :-\
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Howie on July 22, 2016, 01:12:45 PM
Does anyone know the height measurements for Indy and Thunder highs and lows?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 22, 2016, 02:07:07 PM
Quote from: Roisto on July 22, 2016, 12:35:31 PM
Do you guys get Krux' to turn deeply?

I have a pair on my cruiser, with 54 mm conical keyframes and they turn nice and all up to a point where they just won't turn any deeper. With 54 mm wheels it is impossible to get wheelbite with the Krux'. Way before getting wheelbite, the truck just won't bend further. I can get my cruiser board on two wheels easily. 54 mm wheels, no risers and I weigh 90 kg (200 lbs).

I kinda feel like I should have gone with the Ace 44s instead for the cruiser. Krux' were just more easily available and cheaper.  :-\

Krux don't really turn/carve deeply like ACE or Indy but the turn does feel like Indy/ACE to a point, but a bit quicker (but not thunder quick) I never quite found the right setup for them; I enjoyed them but they felt more like I was tipping rather than turning.

Ace's for a crusier are the right choice, even indys. On a budget, Krux should do you fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on July 22, 2016, 02:10:46 PM
consider it
http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=92066.msg2528032#new (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=92066.msg2528032#new)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on July 22, 2016, 02:21:22 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 22, 2016, 02:07:07 PM
Quote from: Roisto on July 22, 2016, 12:35:31 PM
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Do you guys get Krux' to turn deeply?

I have a pair on my cruiser, with 54 mm conical keyframes and they turn nice and all up to a point where they just won't turn any deeper. With 54 mm wheels it is impossible to get wheelbite with the Krux'. Way before getting wheelbite, the truck just won't bend further. I can get my cruiser board on two wheels easily. 54 mm wheels, no risers and I weigh 90 kg (200 lbs).

I kinda feel like I should have gone with the Ace 44s instead for the cruiser. Krux' were just more easily available and cheaper.  :-\
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Krux don't really turn/carve deeply like ACE or Indy but the turn does feel like Indy/ACE to a point, but a bit quicker (but not thunder quick) I never quite found the right setup for them; I enjoyed them but they felt more like I was tipping rather than turning.

Ace's for a crusier are the right choice, even indys. On a budget, Krux should do you fine.

Thanks for the comments. I've got Indys in my main setup and I quite like them, but I'm not too fond of the wheelbite though. 54 mm wheels there too and sometimes the wheelbite takes me out.

Oh well. Some day I'll get the Aces I guess. Just gotta wait for the right time. Either feeling wealthy enough to buy them for the normal price of 60€ or hope for some sales.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 22, 2016, 06:06:00 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 22, 2016, 12:11:43 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 22, 2016, 11:16:00 AM
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But you guys realize that you could just ride indys and have the best of both worlds......
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I keep thinking that's the case and running forged TI indys with conical bushings get's you closer to what thunder offers but it's still a different feel.

If there was a true best of both worlds truck, I'd ride it, even if it was made by Tensor, Royal, Fury or Minifuckinglogo.

What if it was called something dumb like Theeve....

I am the truck troll.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 22, 2016, 06:59:04 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 22, 2016, 06:06:00 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 22, 2016, 12:11:43 PM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on July 22, 2016, 11:16:00 AM
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But you guys realize that you could just ride indys and have the best of both worlds......
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I keep thinking that's the case and running forged TI indys with conical bushings get's you closer to what thunder offers but it's still a different feel.

If there was a true best of both worlds truck, I'd ride it, even if it was made by Tensor, Royal, Fury or Minifuckinglogo.
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What if it was called something dumb like Theeve....

I am the truck troll.....

Far from a troll as that IS the closest thing (I've ridden a few sets) and would ride them now if only the baseplates wouldn't blow out in the pivot area do to me riding so damn loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: planman on July 23, 2016, 01:06:28 AM
What's the height of Krux Downlows, Indy Lows, and Ace Lows? I'm skating Downlows right now but I want something a bit lower because I really hate this delay in my pop.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 23, 2016, 01:12:45 AM
everyone talking about "delay." Just ride ventures if you want a quick pop. You're obviously not worried about turning if you're thinking about lows.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on July 23, 2016, 03:43:14 AM
Quote from: planman on July 23, 2016, 01:06:28 AM
What's the height of Krux Downlows, Indy Lows, and Ace Lows? I'm skating Downlows right now but I want something a bit lower because I really hate this delay in my pop.

Krux downlows are 52mm if i remember correctly, about the same hight as the thunder hi's, so they arent that much of a low.
The indy's lows are 48,5mm and are pretty good for low trucks. Ace's i dont know, but dont go with those, my friend has some 03 and i cant think of a worse truck i've ridden.
Thunder lows are good, i've ridden a set for about 2years and they were quality. They are really low (tactics site says they are 48,3mm but they feel lower), so wheelbite will be a problem if you dont tight them up.
Then yeah, like nallid said, venture lows are known for being good low trucks! (48,3mm in tactics site too)

I'm highs for life tho. Since I changed I only feel an improvement.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 23, 2016, 10:09:05 AM
Looking to sell my two sets of moderately used raw Ace 44's that still have a lot of life in them. PM me if you're interested.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on July 23, 2016, 05:43:42 PM
Quote from: clamy on July 22, 2016, 06:02:17 AM
Quote from: Main on July 21, 2016, 05:29:49 PM
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I'm not going to keep skating the Ace's and have the kingpin snap, or collapse while I'm going full speed. If anyone wants the two used sets let me know.
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I'd keep skating them. On my last set of stage 11s both kingpins were loose for over 6 months and nothing happened. Don't kingpins usually snap when trucks are too tight?



I think I'm done with Indy. I really like Ace, but if they don't hold up I have a set of Thunders waiting.

Quote from: Cherb on July 22, 2016, 01:32:40 AM
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Do it. Thunders got the quick snappy turn. I switch back and forth between them and aces but I roll with the aces more often. They have a much deeper turn. And I've honestly never used indy's in my life...
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Hopefully I can switch between Ace and Thunder, too.

I' ve been doing this and while they feel very different its doable. I much prefer the way Thunders respond with a riser (destabilizes them nicely) and I'm currently loving my 151s again. Stock bushings totally broken in and almost to axle… going to be bummed when these die… might be the last Thunders that I can get with a Made in USA stamp on it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cookieboy on July 23, 2016, 09:59:35 PM
Anyone have any recommendations for pivot cups to replace the ones on a pair of krux? After skating mine for over a year. I've come to realise that they are shredded apart.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 24, 2016, 04:23:48 AM
Quote from: Sk.A.T.A.N on July 23, 2016, 03:43:14 AM
Quote from: planman on July 23, 2016, 01:06:28 AM
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What's the height of Krux Downlows, Indy Lows, and Ace Lows? I'm skating Downlows right now but I want something a bit lower because I really hate this delay in my pop.
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Krux downlows are 52mm if i remember correctly, about the same hight as the thunder hi's, so they arent that much of a low.
The indy's lows are 48,5mm and are pretty good for low trucks. Ace's i dont know, but dont go with those, my friend has some 03 and i cant think of a worse truck i've ridden.
Thunder lows are good, i've ridden a set for about 2years and they were quality. They are really low (tactics site says they are 48,3mm but they feel lower), so wheelbite will be a problem if you dont tight them up.
Then yeah, like nallid said, venture lows are known for being good low trucks! (48,3mm in tactics site too)


I'm highs for life tho. Since I changed I only feel an improvement.

the best low trucks with good pop response, turn, and grind clearance is(call me a kook if you want but the measurements dont lie) thunder 145/147 hi, cause supposedly they are 49/50mm tall which is basically a low compared to hi and low height standards of todays trucks with most hi trucks being around 55mm tall

ventures are too tight in my opinion, i love low trucks and a quick pop response but ventures i feel mess with the wheel base and their turn is terrible even when the bushings break in. they just respond weird to me and i skate medium tight

i remember ace 03 are same as indy lows at 48.5mm

i think hollow forged thunder 145/147 hi are actually pretty low too cause of the baseplates so theyre probably 47mm-48mm cause of that forged plates

thunder 149,151 are actually a good hi height

did everyone see the love letters episode of truck wars?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 26, 2016, 11:11:21 AM
Quote from: cookieboy on July 23, 2016, 09:59:35 PM
Anyone have any recommendations for pivot cups to replace the ones on a pair of krux? After skating mine for over a year. I've come to realise that they are shredded apart.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-iISjkrms_RU/V5enGazfYBI/AAAAAAAAemc/lPrFgrO7DPYkMA9Vt_HekedBusGrcS-HQCCo/s800/IMG_20160724_113301.jpg)

I was dorking around with some components and took a snap of Krux pivot cups (left) and regular (R) which fit in indy/thunder/venture/ace/etc. You gotta get some krux replacements in there.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on July 26, 2016, 11:24:38 AM
i bought some indy aftermarket pivot cups while buing some 149s, they look and lock far way better than the stock ones...
why the hell do they sell their trucks with shitty bushings and shitty pivot cups ? that's criminal borderline !
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 26, 2016, 09:33:52 PM
Truck Wars! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fsJT0JQa6g#)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 27, 2016, 09:37:50 PM
The Boss bringing back the six hole baseplates!

(https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/images/thumb/phpThumb.php?src=/product_images/31594.jpg&h=600&w=600&dpi=72&q=80)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cookieboy on July 27, 2016, 11:11:49 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 26, 2016, 11:11:21 AM
Quote from: cookieboy on July 23, 2016, 09:59:35 PM
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Anyone have any recommendations for pivot cups to replace the ones on a pair of krux? After skating mine for over a year. I've come to realise that they are shredded apart.
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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-iISjkrms_RU/V5enGazfYBI/AAAAAAAAemc/lPrFgrO7DPYkMA9Vt_HekedBusGrcS-HQCCo/s800/IMG_20160724_113301.jpg)

I was dorking around with some components and took a snap of Krux pivot cups (left) and regular (R) which fit in indy/thunder/venture/ace/etc. You gotta get some krux replacements in there.



Totes, thanks for the reply. I've been looking for krux pivot cups but have not had any luck. Does anyone know where I can snag some besides having to buy a new pair of trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 28, 2016, 03:36:40 PM
You'd have to buy Krux replacement bushings, they come with them.

Are you in the states? I've two extra I can mail you! Shoot me your address via PM if you are.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on July 31, 2016, 01:21:58 AM
Question:

If the axle placement for most ventures are wider than most trucks on the market, then why do/how can most of the techiest skaters ride them? Theoretically speaking, doesn't a wider wheelbase make for harder/slower pop & flip tricks? I imagine ventures widen wheelbases even more. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: essal on July 31, 2016, 02:05:09 AM
Like as a 7.5 board with 139s vs a 8.5 with 149s? Pretty simple science that will tell you that a smaller board with skinny trucks will flip faster than a big board with wide trucks- it will also require less energy to do so.

#stayinschool
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on July 31, 2016, 02:43:06 AM
(https://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnhusm2eaa1qe8i89.gif)

But then why don't more vertranny dudes ride ventures more?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 31, 2016, 03:20:23 AM
Quote from: franquietits on July 31, 2016, 01:21:58 AM
Question:

If the axle placement for most ventures are wider than most trucks on the market, then why do/how can most of the techiest skaters ride them? Theoretically speaking, doesn't a wider wheelbase make for harder/slower pop & flip tricks? I imagine ventures widen wheelbases even more. 

That's exactly what I'm wondering about, cause I didn't know much about why wheel base matters but turns out the shorter it is the better for flipping the board and having a certain turn-ability/response in turn

I thought, hey I love low trucks and ventures would be the best low trucks since they've been doing it for years and are known to be the lowest and best tech truck but man that was not how I felt about them, that axle placement just throws me off so much. So far though I love Indy lows, theeve lows, and thunder lows are alright but oddly they carve more than their hi counter parts.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 31, 2016, 06:35:02 PM
The wheel base and the geometry of the ventures make it so the tail hits quicker. They're a street truck, that design is supposed to give you quicker ollies and theoretically more pop.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 31, 2016, 07:00:28 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 31, 2016, 06:35:02 PM
The wheel base and the geometry of the ventures make it so the tail hits quicker. They're a street truck, that design is supposed to give you quicker ollies and theoretically more pop.

Thunders are the ones that REALLY push out the wheelbase.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on July 31, 2016, 11:33:25 PM
oh shit i didnt even know that indy made a hollow low truck, that might work out better then the hi's i got right now, the indy lows are lower than the thunder hi's with the forged baseplate right?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 31, 2016, 11:57:04 PM
How low are you wanting? I'm riding forged hollow 149s right now and they're 53.5, where standards are 55. Lows are 48.something.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 01, 2016, 03:33:29 AM
Quote from: ducky darnsworth on July 31, 2016, 11:33:25 PM
oh shit i didnt even know that indy made a hollow low truck, that might work out better then the hi's i got right now, the indy lows are lower than the thunder hi's with the forged baseplate right?

no I don't think, I think thunder hi standards are 49mm tall and forged plates make them 47.5mm so Indy lows would be 1mm higher or about the same height basically with Indy lows
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mcfctid on August 02, 2016, 12:18:11 PM
I hope this is the right thread for this question, I recently switched from thunder 147 low (with thunder medium)  bushings, to venture low with bones medium bushings. My question is that I rode thunders medium in terms of tightness, and they were very rigid , felt squeaky at times.  The ventures are very responsive, almost too responsive. Is this common with ventures or with bones medium bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 02, 2016, 01:38:48 PM
it's probably the bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on August 02, 2016, 01:58:17 PM
I know people are always bumming on bones meds in Thunders...but I like it.  also, some photo of lucas' board for his new shoe campaign showed he uses em in his thunders too.  so there. 

(http://67.media.tumblr.com/6c3b7b4613a44587f0d8efee4a26a7af/tumblr_oau5f88dJq1tk24mvo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Phillip Flathead on August 02, 2016, 02:35:09 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 31, 2016, 06:35:02 PM
The wheel base and the geometry of the ventures make it so the tail hits quicker. They're a street truck, that design is supposed to give you quicker ollies and theoretically more pop.

I'm not sure about quicker but since the leverage point/fulcrum  is farther out towards the tail, the amount of force required to snap the tail or nose on the ground is increased. In addition, the angle where the tail hits the ground is steeper, which theoretically leads to a higher Ollie because your nose is higher off the ground.

The turning geometry is pretty nice, they carve very surf like and sharp if you put weight into it but seem to have a large middle point where they feel super stable, unlike indys which to me feel like they are always kind of turning even when you don't want them to.

They're easily my favorite truck minus the hard to break in bushings, but replacing the top bushing with a bones medium and leaving the stock bottom makes them feel even more surfy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on August 06, 2016, 10:27:36 PM
Any ideas on where I might be able to order some Krux bushings for my Aces? Ive been looking around for a few weeks and haven't seen anything recently.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on August 06, 2016, 10:43:48 PM
Quote from: Crow T. Robot on August 06, 2016, 10:27:36 PM
Any ideas on where I might be able to order some Krux bushings for my Aces? Ive been looking around for a few weeks and haven't seen anything recently.

NHS said 8/15 ish they will be back in stock on their site. This is the only place that has them currently:

http://www.saltypeaks.com/products/31830/Krux-Worlds-Best-Cushions-Bushings-92a.html (http://www.saltypeaks.com/products/31830/Krux-Worlds-Best-Cushions-Bushings-92a.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Thomas on August 08, 2016, 12:13:41 AM
I'm riding Ace 44 with bones medium bushings (both washers) and there is something strange with my board.
I'm regular, and it feels like my board can only be ridden this way.
I mean, if I try to ride it in goofy it feels really weird...

I was riding Indys 149 before, with bones, and it never happened...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on August 08, 2016, 05:36:33 AM
Quote from: Thomas on August 08, 2016, 12:13:41 AM
I'm riding Ace 44 with bones medium bushings (both washers) and there is something strange with my board.
I'm regular, and it feels like my board can only be ridden this way.
I mean, if I try to ride it in goofy it feels really weird...

I was riding Indys 149 before, with bones, and it never happened...
could be crooked axles?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bluntstofakie on August 08, 2016, 07:58:54 AM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on August 08, 2016, 05:36:33 AM
Quote from: Thomas on August 08, 2016, 12:13:41 AM
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I'm riding Ace 44 with bones medium bushings (both washers) and there is something strange with my board.
I'm regular, and it feels like my board can only be ridden this way.
I mean, if I try to ride it in goofy it feels really weird...

I was riding Indys 149 before, with bones, and it never happened...
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could be crooked axles?
You probably have wobble in one or both kingpins. Take your hangers off and see if you can wiggle the kingpin.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jake From State Farm on August 08, 2016, 11:33:07 AM
Quote from: bluntstofakie on August 08, 2016, 07:58:54 AM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on August 08, 2016, 05:36:33 AM
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Quote from: Thomas on August 08, 2016, 12:13:41 AM
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I'm riding Ace 44 with bones medium bushings (both washers) and there is something strange with my board.
I'm regular, and it feels like my board can only be ridden this way.
I mean, if I try to ride it in goofy it feels really weird...

I was riding Indys 149 before, with bones, and it never happened...
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could be crooked axles?
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You probably have wobble in one or both kingpins. Take your hangers off and see if you can wiggle the kingpin.

I've had that happpen with Thunders recently.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bluntstofakie on August 08, 2016, 11:53:22 AM
Quote from: Jake From State Farm on August 08, 2016, 11:33:07 AM
Quote from: bluntstofakie on August 08, 2016, 07:58:54 AM
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Quote from: perverted super otaku! on August 08, 2016, 05:36:33 AM
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Quote from: Thomas on August 08, 2016, 12:13:41 AM
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I'm riding Ace 44 with bones medium bushings (both washers) and there is something strange with my board.
I'm regular, and it feels like my board can only be ridden this way.
I mean, if I try to ride it in goofy it feels really weird...

I was riding Indys 149 before, with bones, and it never happened...
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could be crooked axles?
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You probably have wobble in one or both kingpins. Take your hangers off and see if you can wiggle the kingpin.
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I've had that happpen with Thunders recently.
Damn that sucks to hear I'm on thunders right now. Were they the hollow forged, or the team baseplates?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jake From State Farm on August 08, 2016, 11:56:39 AM
Quote from: bluntstofakie on August 08, 2016, 11:53:22 AM
Quote from: Jake From State Farm on August 08, 2016, 11:33:07 AM
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Quote from: bluntstofakie on August 08, 2016, 07:58:54 AM
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Quote from: perverted super otaku! on August 08, 2016, 05:36:33 AM
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Quote from: Thomas on August 08, 2016, 12:13:41 AM
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I'm riding Ace 44 with bones medium bushings (both washers) and there is something strange with my board.
I'm regular, and it feels like my board can only be ridden this way.
I mean, if I try to ride it in goofy it feels really weird...

I was riding Indys 149 before, with bones, and it never happened...
[close]
could be crooked axles?
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You probably have wobble in one or both kingpins. Take your hangers off and see if you can wiggle the kingpin.
[close]

I've had that happpen with Thunders recently.
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Damn that sucks to hear I'm on thunders right now. Were they the hollow forged, or the team baseplates?

they were just the regular team baseplates. 151's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on August 08, 2016, 01:08:59 PM
decided to dump everything I was skating when I hurt my ankle.  to even further distance myself, I went back to Thunder (from Indy).

set up some Ti 149 hangars on the regular ol' USA baseplates, with some old bones med (always use old bushings to avoid the break in time).   tiny bit more height with a tiny bit more weight.  think it's gonna be the sweet spot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: unerds on August 08, 2016, 03:43:00 PM
Quote from: art hellman on August 08, 2016, 01:08:59 PM
decided to dump everything I was skating when I hurt my ankle.  to even further distance myself, I went back to Thunder (from Indy).

set up some Ti 149 hangars on the regular ol' USA baseplates, with some old bones med (always use old bushings to avoid the break in time).   tiny bit more height with a tiny bit more weight.  think it's gonna be the sweet spot.

i've had a few sets, but those dual duro bushings wear out too quickly on me.

the seam between the softer base and the harder cone always ends up blowing out shortly after they've broken in
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bluntstofakie on August 08, 2016, 03:56:02 PM
Quote from: unerds on August 08, 2016, 03:43:00 PM
Quote from: art hellman on August 08, 2016, 01:08:59 PM
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decided to dump everything I was skating when I hurt my ankle.  to even further distance myself, I went back to Thunder (from Indy).

set up some Ti 149 hangars on the regular ol' USA baseplates, with some old bones med (always use old bushings to avoid the break in time).   tiny bit more height with a tiny bit more weight.  think it's gonna be the sweet spot.
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i've had a few sets, but those dual duro bushings wear out too quickly on me.

the seam between the softer base and the harder cone always ends up blowing out shortly after they've broken in
When was the last time you skated them? That would always happen to mine, but it seems like in the past 6 months or so the quality has gone way up. I would normally blow a set out in a month or 2 but the last set I had lasted like 5 months. Anyone else have good luck with them recently?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: unerds on August 08, 2016, 04:38:48 PM
Quote from: bluntstofakie on August 08, 2016, 03:56:02 PM
Quote from: unerds on August 08, 2016, 03:43:00 PM
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Quote from: art hellman on August 08, 2016, 01:08:59 PM
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decided to dump everything I was skating when I hurt my ankle.  to even further distance myself, I went back to Thunder (from Indy).

set up some Ti 149 hangars on the regular ol' USA baseplates, with some old bones med (always use old bushings to avoid the break in time).   tiny bit more height with a tiny bit more weight.  think it's gonna be the sweet spot.
[close]

i've had a few sets, but those dual duro bushings wear out too quickly on me.

the seam between the softer base and the harder cone always ends up blowing out shortly after they've broken in
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When was the last time you skated them? That would always happen to mine, but it seems like in the past 6 months or so the quality has gone way up. I would normally blow a set out in a month or 2 but the last set I had lasted like 5 months. Anyone else have good luck with them recently?

last set was just a couple months ago... they lasted liiike 6 weeks in indy's stage 11s.

maybe old stock... either way, they're nice to get a broken in feel a bit quicker, but i'm back on stock indy... might try indy aftermarket
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: danjtony on August 08, 2016, 07:09:26 PM
Anyone have experience using Doh-Dohs (Shorty's) bushings on Indys? They were the only aftermarket bushings at my local shop and they said they would fit (with stock washers), but once you tighten them even a bit the sides just shred off. I remember this happening when I tried Doh-Dohs like six or seven years ago too. Rode those for quite a while and they never felt bad, despite the tearing.   
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Thomas on August 09, 2016, 01:19:25 AM
Quote from: bluntstofakie on August 08, 2016, 07:58:54 AM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on August 08, 2016, 05:36:33 AM
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Quote from: Thomas on August 08, 2016, 12:13:41 AM
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I'm riding Ace 44 with bones medium bushings (both washers) and there is something strange with my board.
I'm regular, and it feels like my board can only be ridden this way.
I mean, if I try to ride it in goofy it feels really weird...

I was riding Indys 149 before, with bones, and it never happened...
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could be crooked axles?
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You probably have wobble in one or both kingpins. Take your hangers off and see if you can wiggle the kingpin.

OK thanks, I'll check this out !
I'm riding these Aces for only 2 months...

Is there a way to fix the kingpin back to the baseplate ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on August 09, 2016, 06:17:48 AM
Quote from: bluntstofakie on August 08, 2016, 03:56:02 PM
Quote from: unerds on August 08, 2016, 03:43:00 PM
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Quote from: art hellman on August 08, 2016, 01:08:59 PM
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decided to dump everything I was skating when I hurt my ankle.  to even further distance myself, I went back to Thunder (from Indy).

set up some Ti 149 hangars on the regular ol' USA baseplates, with some old bones med (always use old bushings to avoid the break in time).   tiny bit more height with a tiny bit more weight.  think it's gonna be the sweet spot.
[close]

i've had a few sets, but those dual duro bushings wear out too quickly on me.

the seam between the softer base and the harder cone always ends up blowing out shortly after they've broken in
[close]
When was the last time you skated them? That would always happen to mine, but it seems like in the past 6 months or so the quality has gone way up. I would normally blow a set out in a month or 2 but the last set I had lasted like 5 months. Anyone else have good luck with them recently?

ive never had a problem with bones med in the last decade or so since I started skating em. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: unerds on August 09, 2016, 09:24:52 AM
Quote from: art hellman on August 09, 2016, 06:17:48 AM
Quote from: bluntstofakie on August 08, 2016, 03:56:02 PM
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Quote from: unerds on August 08, 2016, 03:43:00 PM
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Quote from: art hellman on August 08, 2016, 01:08:59 PM
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decided to dump everything I was skating when I hurt my ankle.  to even further distance myself, I went back to Thunder (from Indy).

set up some Ti 149 hangars on the regular ol' USA baseplates, with some old bones med (always use old bushings to avoid the break in time).   tiny bit more height with a tiny bit more weight.  think it's gonna be the sweet spot.
[close]

i've had a few sets, but those dual duro bushings wear out too quickly on me.

the seam between the softer base and the harder cone always ends up blowing out shortly after they've broken in
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When was the last time you skated them? That would always happen to mine, but it seems like in the past 6 months or so the quality has gone way up. I would normally blow a set out in a month or 2 but the last set I had lasted like 5 months. Anyone else have good luck with them recently?
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ive never had a problem with bones med in the last decade or so since I started skating em. 

this is what's up for me:

(http://i.imgur.com/A6myuNY.jpg)

after a month or two... nothing is rolling straight on those.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on August 09, 2016, 12:41:00 PM
dunno what to say.  ive just never had a problem with em.

(http://media.giphy.com/media/KYNywoibU1PQ4/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 09, 2016, 12:45:34 PM
Quote from: art hellman on August 08, 2016, 01:08:59 PM
decided to dump everything I was skating when I hurt my ankle.  to even further distance myself, I went back to Thunder (from Indy).

set up some Ti 149 hangars on the regular ol' USA baseplates, with some old bones med (always use old bushings to avoid the break in time).   tiny bit more height with a tiny bit more weight.  think it's gonna be the sweet spot.

Ti hangers on the team plates are really nice - like you said a bit more weight but the bonus of a tiny bit more height; I use bones med bottoms and soft tops, makes a nice carvy setup once you lean into it. Either Reed or Lenny planted that idea in my head. Not cost effective for most tho.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on August 09, 2016, 09:48:04 PM
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decided to dump everything I was skating when I hurt my ankle.�  to even further distance myself, I went back to Thunder (from Indy).

set up some Ti 149 hangars on the regular ol' USA baseplates, with some old bones med (always use old bushings to avoid the break in time).�  � tiny bit more height with a tiny bit more weight.�  think it's gonna be the sweet spot.
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i've had a few sets, but those dual duro bushings wear out too quickly on me.

the seam between the softer base and the harder cone always ends up blowing out shortly after they've broken in
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When was the last time you skated them? That would always happen to mine, but it seems like in the past 6 months or so the quality has gone way up. I would normally blow a set out in a month or 2 but the last set I had lasted like 5 months. Anyone else have good luck with them recently?
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ive never had a problem with bones med in the last decade or so since I started skating em. 
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this is what's up for me:

(http://i.imgur.com/A6myuNY.jpg)

after a month or two... nothing is rolling straight on those.
That happens to my homie who always skates those. After about a month or two they're blown out in the exact same way.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Thomas on August 09, 2016, 11:35:05 PM
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I'm riding Ace 44 with bones medium bushings (both washers) and there is something strange with my board.
I'm regular, and it feels like my board can only be ridden this way.
I mean, if I try to ride it in goofy it feels really weird...

I was riding Indys 149 before, with bones, and it never happened...
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could be crooked axles?
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You probably have wobble in one or both kingpins. Take your hangers off and see if you can wiggle the kingpin.
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OK thanks, I'll check this out !
I'm riding these Aces for only 2 months...

Is there a way to fix the kingpin back to the baseplate ?

I checked my kingpins yesterday and you were right: the kingpin of my front truck is not sticked to the baseplate anymore...
I tighten up my front truck a little and it feels better, but is this the only way to fix the problem ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 10, 2016, 03:25:11 AM
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I'm riding Ace 44 with bones medium bushings (both washers) and there is something strange with my board.
I'm regular, and it feels like my board can only be ridden this way.
I mean, if I try to ride it in goofy it feels really weird...

I was riding Indys 149 before, with bones, and it never happened...
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could be crooked axles?
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You probably have wobble in one or both kingpins. Take your hangers off and see if you can wiggle the kingpin.
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OK thanks, I'll check this out !
I'm riding these Aces for only 2 months...

Is there a way to fix the kingpin back to the baseplate ?
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I checked my kingpins yesterday and you were right: the kingpin of my front truck is not sticked to the baseplate anymore...
I tighten up my front truck a little and it feels better, but is this the only way to fix the problem ?


Go on YouTube and look up how to replace truck kingpins by that ratvision guy, it's not that hard. I've replaced kingpins a few times. Just gotta watch your thumbs when hammering

That bones medium tearing usually happens when you ride loose ish and no bottom washer, I heard riding the hards without a washer is fine and they break in to feel like fresh mediums
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bluntstofakie on August 10, 2016, 07:12:40 AM
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I'm riding Ace 44 with bones medium bushings (both washers) and there is something strange with my board.
I'm regular, and it feels like my board can only be ridden this way.
I mean, if I try to ride it in goofy it feels really weird...

I was riding Indys 149 before, with bones, and it never happened...
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could be crooked axles?
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You probably have wobble in one or both kingpins. Take your hangers off and see if you can wiggle the kingpin.
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OK thanks, I'll check this out !
I'm riding these Aces for only 2 months...

Is there a way to fix the kingpin back to the baseplate ?
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I checked my kingpins yesterday and you were right: the kingpin of my front truck is not sticked to the baseplate anymore...
I tighten up my front truck a little and it feels better, but is this the only way to fix the problem ?
I don't think there is anyway to fix it. It happens because aces are softer than most trucks. The stress on the kingpin from turning and grinding will bend out the kingpin hole in the baseplate, which will make the kingpin loose. Once it starts it will only get worse. I actually bent out the pivot hole in a baseplate from a single session with a blow out pivot cup. Imo the bent hanger problem of the stage 1's should have been fixed by using better quality alloy, which would have also fixed the kingpin problem.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: unerds on August 10, 2016, 09:30:41 AM
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I'm riding Ace 44 with bones medium bushings (both washers) and there is something strange with my board.
I'm regular, and it feels like my board can only be ridden this way.
I mean, if I try to ride it in goofy it feels really weird...

I was riding Indys 149 before, with bones, and it never happened...
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could be crooked axles?
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You probably have wobble in one or both kingpins. Take your hangers off and see if you can wiggle the kingpin.
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OK thanks, I'll check this out !
I'm riding these Aces for only 2 months...

Is there a way to fix the kingpin back to the baseplate ?
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I checked my kingpins yesterday and you were right: the kingpin of my front truck is not sticked to the baseplate anymore...
I tighten up my front truck a little and it feels better, but is this the only way to fix the problem ?
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Go on YouTube and look up how to replace truck kingpins by that ratvision guy, it's not that hard. I've replaced kingpins a few times. Just gotta watch your thumbs when hammering

That bones medium tearing usually happens when you ride loose ish and no bottom washer, I heard riding the hards without a washer is fine and they break in to feel like fresh mediums

that's exactly it.  they're too tight on indy's with the washer... i recently lost a hangar while hauling ass down the street that way - ollied up a curb, hangar dropped, i dropped.

product just isn't compatible with my setup... no biggie, stock indy's bushings aren't terrible.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sharkin on August 10, 2016, 09:36:29 AM
I'm off the Bones kool aid


The built in cores are crap. I've switched over to aftermarket indy bushings with no complaints.

I think the key with bushings is to pick your duro and ride it loose. If you want something tighter, go up a duro.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on August 10, 2016, 10:37:47 AM
^ i used to be on bones for so long then used the aftermarket thunders last year and was stuck on those. bones are over rated imo.

i was using thunders 147 hi's for the last 6 years but was kinda bummed on changing the kingpin but every few months cause i skate a lot of ledges. wanted something with more kingpin clearance so i decided to go back to what i was using primarily before the thunders.

just recently got these trucks last week, independent 139 hi's with the aftermarket 88a conical bushings. i used the stock cylinders but the turn felt sluggish and not sharp like they do with these, also coming from a lower truck (thunder hi's are lower compared to most high trucks) feels nicer to have conical bushings versus the cylinder bottom.

(https://s9.postimg.org/ezepbjpgr/IMG_8282.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/ezepbjpgr/)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dima on August 10, 2016, 01:54:11 PM
Quote from: art hellman on August 09, 2016, 12:41:00 PM
dunno what to say.  ive just never had a problem with em.

(http://media.giphy.com/media/KYNywoibU1PQ4/giphy.gif)

How much you tighten your trucks and which are they?

Like after fastening it as much as possible with your hands and then how many turns on a tool?

maybe easier if you give us a pic.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on August 10, 2016, 02:00:25 PM
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dunno what to say.  ive just never had a problem with em.

(http://media.giphy.com/media/KYNywoibU1PQ4/giphy.gif)
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How much you tighten your trucks and which are they?

Like after fastening it as much as possible with your hands and then how many turns on a tool?

maybe easier if you give us a pic.

pic:
(http://i.imgur.com/X4hJ6Gc.gif)
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/8c8c5badd63b90f05e4253e42229bb85/tumblr_mnknugzRQx1qllbnao5_250.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dima on August 10, 2016, 02:46:20 PM
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dunno what to say. � ive just never had a problem with em.

(http://media.giphy.com/media/KYNywoibU1PQ4/giphy.gif)
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How much you tighten your trucks and which are they?

Like after fastening it as much as possible with your hands and then how many turns on a tool?

maybe easier if you give us a pic.
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pic:
(http://i.imgur.com/X4hJ6Gc.gif)
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/8c8c5badd63b90f05e4253e42229bb85/tumblr_mnknugzRQx1qllbnao5_250.gif)

If you aint breaking them, you are doing something wrong.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on August 10, 2016, 02:52:35 PM
mine got shredded like Daiya
throw them Bones in fiyah
get that indy aftermarket
and the sesh? your gonna spark it

peace
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on August 10, 2016, 02:56:37 PM
Quote from: Dima on August 10, 2016, 02:46:20 PM
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dunno what to say. � ive just never had a problem with em.

(http://media.giphy.com/media/KYNywoibU1PQ4/giphy.gif)
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How much you tighten your trucks and which are they?

Like after fastening it as much as possible with your hands and then how many turns on a tool?

maybe easier if you give us a pic.
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pic:
(http://i.imgur.com/X4hJ6Gc.gif)
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/8c8c5badd63b90f05e4253e42229bb85/tumblr_mnknugzRQx1qllbnao5_250.gif)
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If you aint breaking them, you are doing something wrong.

(http://www.thehomeplanet.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/GIF661.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on August 10, 2016, 08:49:33 PM
my bones bushings never cracked our shredded but the top part of the bottom bushing would "muffin top" they felt good when you first put em on then got too flimsy. plus there like $12 ($20 over seas) and they ONLY come with bushings. the Thunder rebuild kid comes with pivots, washers etc and the indy aftermarkets come with the right size washers and are half the price.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 11, 2016, 05:26:17 PM
Thunder TI with Indy conical 88a + Bones washers. Bones meds = too hard, bones softs = too floopy feeling. The Indy's don't snap back to center as fast but it gets the thunders feeling pretty surfy.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/2oFm6n1m8VukSR-2mGkjOl-k3roS9nBXiP5TrWCyeSWYGJMmdy8hG_zSzwcXMVMgP1gVQvrMAIoJCPY=w3240-h2160-rw-no)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on August 12, 2016, 06:30:35 AM
I haven't ridden bones bushings for a few years now. They come with too much hassle and aren't durable in the long run.
If you do the Indy/bones combo I suggest you make the switch to Indy aftermarkets, or at the very least give them a try. They feel better than bones bushings, have way more options when it comes to duro choice, and are waaaay more durable than bones.
 I've had a set of 94A aftermarkets for more than a year now and I've maybe only had to mess with them once or twice (and that was only in the first week or so during the break in/adjustment period) and they're still going strong with no signs of deterioration at all. A set of bones would only last me on average a few months at most before they started slowly deteriorating or before I had to start messing with them with a tool all the time to get them to stay feeling the way that I liked because they would always start to feel different than what you originally adjusted them to the more you skated.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on August 12, 2016, 06:40:56 AM
oh man, now I just don't know what to do...
(http://media1.giphy.com/media/CwtoHbFnQNzk4/200_s.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: unerds on August 12, 2016, 09:45:53 AM
Quote from: art hellman on August 12, 2016, 06:40:56 AM
oh man, now I just don't know what to do...
(http://media1.giphy.com/media/CwtoHbFnQNzk4/200_s.gif)

in regards to bushings, whatever works for you... in regards to hauling on that doobie, it's an absolute must.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heritage on August 12, 2016, 11:48:53 AM
Thunder 149 with Khiro conicals. I ride the medium soft.

(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_3596_Khiro_Silver_Inserts_RedLG.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on August 12, 2016, 01:09:59 PM
Quote from: heritage on August 12, 2016, 11:48:53 AM
Thunder 149 with Khiro conicals. I ride the medium soft.

(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_3596_Khiro_Silver_Inserts_RedLG.jpg)
I've been thinking about snagging up some of these. Do you know if the small top and large barrel would fit in aces??
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 12, 2016, 03:11:23 PM
Set up the green Thunders I had posted in another thread. I'm going stock for once and the switch from Indy (Hard Bones bushings) is definitely there. Hopefully the kingpin doesn't give out like the last set I had.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on August 14, 2016, 08:56:57 AM
Truck wars pt. 2 is out!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: obZen on August 14, 2016, 11:13:37 AM
I've been craving something a little quicker on response, somewhere not quite as quick as Thunder,  that still allows for a surfy/carving experience. I'm leaning towards ace 44. Don't think there is anything else out there for that type of thing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on August 14, 2016, 04:19:05 PM
Quote from: obZen on August 14, 2016, 11:13:37 AM
I've been craving something a little quicker on response, somewhere not quite as quick as Thunder,  that still allows for a surfy/carving experience. I'm leaning towards ace 44. Don't think there is anything else out there for that type of thing

Yep. Throw some Krux bushings in them and you will have exactly what you're lookin' for.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heritage on August 14, 2016, 06:49:05 PM
Quote from: Cherb on August 12, 2016, 01:09:59 PM
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Thunder 149 with Khiro conicals. I ride the medium soft.

http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_3596_Khiro_Silver_Inserts_RedLG.jpg (http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_3596_Khiro_Silver_Inserts_RedLG.jpg)
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I've been thinking about snagging up some of these. Do you know if the small top and large barrel would fit in aces??

Cherb - Yeah, I think you'll be good with large barrel bottom. I've tried the conical on the bottom on Ace and and it didn't work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 15, 2016, 02:29:42 AM
Quote from: obZen on August 14, 2016, 11:13:37 AM
I've been craving something a little quicker on response, somewhere not quite as quick as Thunder,  that still allows for a surfy/carving experience. I'm leaning towards ace 44. Don't think there is anything else out there for that type of thing

Don't mean to be a kook but maybe theeve

I'm riding some now and they are nice, they are about what some say, between a thunder and Indy. Like a faster more stable Indy but not as fast as thunder
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 15, 2016, 03:28:22 AM
Has anyone tried the tracker axis trucks? Watching truck wars got me curious as to how the only all parts from the USA truck truck performs, how tall are they and how's the turning ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Big Sweatpants on August 15, 2016, 06:19:27 AM
Quote from: rob on August 15, 2016, 03:28:22 AM
Has anyone tried the tracker axis trucks? Watching truck wars got me curious as to how the only all parts from the USA truck truck performs, how tall are they and how's the turning ?
I was obsessed with Jeremy Klein in the early 00's and skated nothing but Trackers just because of him. I loved the Darts, just had to throw Indy bushings in them. Turned great--a little high in height, but I liked that. The missing chunk out of the middle of the baseplate is rad.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on August 15, 2016, 07:43:01 AM
Tried out the Ace 03 this weekend for a little bit, and had a major feeling I could not find my center as far as popping tricks.

I don't know if its in relation to the kingpin position/angle, but I just couldn't seem to make it work. Even tre flips which are my go to in any setup just weren't happening.

Maybe on a fresh setup i'll give them one last try, but if I cant pull it together I will be reselling the sets that I have.

This leads me to another point. Can anyone at all tell me why it is impossible to find Thunder 147 lo's these days? I know the lows were being phased out in some of the models, but when I go on the website it still appears the team 147 lo's are still being produced. Yet I cant for the life of me find them in any shops online (don't have a local anymore).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 15, 2016, 09:44:07 AM
Quote from: Mongoloid on August 15, 2016, 07:43:01 AM
Tried out the Ace 03 this weekend for a little bit, and had a major feeling I could not find my center as far as popping tricks.

I don't know if its in relation to the kingpin position/angle, but I just couldn't seem to make it work. Even tre flips which are my go to in any setup just weren't happening.

Maybe on a fresh setup i'll give them one last try, but if I cant pull it together I will be reselling the sets that I have.

This leads me to another point. Can anyone at all tell me why it is impossible to find Thunder 147 lo's these days? I know the lows were being phased out in some of the models, but when I go on the website it still appears the team 147 lo's are still being produced. Yet I cant for the life of me find them in any shops online (don't have a local anymore).

It's probably the whole new truck adjustment period.
After 2 years with Indy 139s (stage 10.5, with bones hard if anyone cares) to my Thunders I couldn't do much, it looked like it was my first time on board (worse than usual) but, after getting used to them my balance is returning.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 15, 2016, 12:48:46 PM
Quote from: Mongoloid on August 15, 2016, 07:43:01 AM
Tried out the Ace 03 this weekend for a little bit, and had a major feeling I could not find my center as far as popping tricks.

I don't know if its in relation to the kingpin position/angle, but I just couldn't seem to make it work. Even tre flips which are my go to in any setup just weren't happening.

Maybe on a fresh setup i'll give them one last try, but if I cant pull it together I will be reselling the sets that I have.

This leads me to another point. Can anyone at all tell me why it is impossible to find Thunder 147 lo's these days? I know the lows were being phased out in some of the models, but when I go on the website it still appears the team 147 lo's are still being produced. Yet I cant for the life of me find them in any shops online (don't have a local anymore).

Keep it on the low but from the source I heard they're redesigning the 147 lo like they did with the 145 lo, I'm guessing it's gonna resemble the remastered 147hi more like the remastered 145 lo, also I have a set of 147 lo and they're noticibly a bit on the chunky side.

Anyone notice that "theeve" looks like they're design totally ripped everything about the original thunders? Look at the hangar style/shape and baseplate almost exactly the same design

(http://i.imgur.com/ko7FuIW.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 15, 2016, 01:58:02 PM
Quote from: rob on August 15, 2016, 12:48:46 PM
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Tried out the Ace 03 this weekend for a little bit, and had a major feeling I could not find my center as far as popping tricks.

I don't know if its in relation to the kingpin position/angle, but I just couldn't seem to make it work. Even tre flips which are my go to in any setup just weren't happening.

Maybe on a fresh setup i'll give them one last try, but if I cant pull it together I will be reselling the sets that I have.

This leads me to another point. Can anyone at all tell me why it is impossible to find Thunder 147 lo's these days? I know the lows were being phased out in some of the models, but when I go on the website it still appears the team 147 lo's are still being produced. Yet I cant for the life of me find them in any shops online (don't have a local anymore).
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Keep it on the low but from the source I heard they're redesigning the 147 lo like they did with the 145 lo, I'm guessing it's gonna resemble the remastered 147hi more like the remastered 145 lo, also I have a set of 147 lo and they're noticibly a bit on the chunky side.

Anyone notice that "theeve" looks like they're design totally ripped everything about the original thunders? Look at the hangar style/shape and baseplate almost exactly the same design


They're known as Theeve for a reason

Also, is Thinders slowly improving their stuff?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heritage on August 15, 2016, 03:20:38 PM
Quote from: Big Sweatpants on August 15, 2016, 06:19:27 AM
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I was obsessed with Jeremy Klein in the early 00's and skated nothing but Trackers just because of him. I loved the Darts, just had to throw Indy bushings in them. Turned great--a little high in height, but I liked that. The missing chunk out of the middle of the baseplate is rad.

Agree with Sweatpants, they are good trucks. No one will try them because they are Tracker. I skated them for about 3 months simply for nostalgia sake. I tried the Axis and also the Dart and thought both were great trucks. The Axis are definitely higher than most and IMO they are a little heavy but they turn just as well as any truck. The Dart is a little lower than the Axis, similar to Thunder 149.

Rob - If you want the Axis just hit me with a PM and a few bucks for shipping and they're yours.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 15, 2016, 06:07:48 PM
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Tried out the Ace 03 this weekend for a little bit, and had a major feeling I could not find my center as far as popping tricks.

I don't know if its in relation to the kingpin position/angle, but I just couldn't seem to make it work. Even tre flips which are my go to in any setup just weren't happening.

Maybe on a fresh setup i'll give them one last try, but if I cant pull it together I will be reselling the sets that I have.

This leads me to another point. Can anyone at all tell me why it is impossible to find Thunder 147 lo's these days? I know the lows were being phased out in some of the models, but when I go on the website it still appears the team 147 lo's are still being produced. Yet I cant for the life of me find them in any shops online (don't have a local anymore).
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Keep it on the low but from the source I heard they're redesigning the 147 lo like they did with the 145 lo, I'm guessing it's gonna resemble the remastered 147hi more like the remastered 145 lo, also I have a set of 147 lo and they're noticibly a bit on the chunky side.

Anyone notice that "theeve" looks like they're design totally ripped everything about the original thunders? Look at the hangar style/shape and baseplate almost exactly the same design

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They're known as Theeve for a reason

Also, is Thinders slowly improving their stuff?

Never thought of that but yeah I can see it......theeve made a lot of headway because they came w bones bushings.....low and behold they just started putting in their own knock off ones......so Powell isn't too stoked on them.....

Still think though they are a good Indy alternative.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on August 15, 2016, 06:16:24 PM
Damn, Theeve has been using fake Bones knock offs in their trucks? How'd you find that one out? I'm curious, as I almost bought some.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 15, 2016, 08:48:19 PM
Quote from: Main on August 15, 2016, 06:16:24 PM
Damn, Theeve has been using fake Bones knock offs in their trucks? How'd you find that one out? I'm curious, as I almost bought some.

That explains why mine are all white and feel off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 15, 2016, 09:36:07 PM
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Has anyone tried the tracker axis trucks? Watching truck wars got me curious as to how the only all parts from the USA truck truck performs, how tall are they and how's the turning ?
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I was obsessed with Jeremy Klein in the early 00's and skated nothing but Trackers just because of him. I loved the Darts, just had to throw Indy bushings in them. Turned great--a little high in height, but I liked that. The missing chunk out of the middle of the baseplate is rad.
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Agree with Sweatpants, they are good trucks. No one will try them because they are Tracker. I skated them for about 3 months simply for nostalgia sake. I tried the Axis and also the Dart and thought both were great trucks. The Axis are definitely higher than most and IMO they are a little heavy but they turn just as well as any truck. The Dart is a little lower than the Axis, similar to Thunder 149.

Rob - If you want the Axis just hit me with a PM and a few bucks for shipping and they're yours.

ooo definitely man, low on cash at the moment but i will put a reminder on it when i get paid ;D

how tall would you say the axis are? like indy tall or higher :o



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Tried out the Ace 03 this weekend for a little bit, and had a major feeling I could not find my center as far as popping tricks.

I don't know if its in relation to the kingpin position/angle, but I just couldn't seem to make it work. Even tre flips which are my go to in any setup just weren't happening.

Maybe on a fresh setup i'll give them one last try, but if I cant pull it together I will be reselling the sets that I have.

This leads me to another point. Can anyone at all tell me why it is impossible to find Thunder 147 lo's these days? I know the lows were being phased out in some of the models, but when I go on the website it still appears the team 147 lo's are still being produced. Yet I cant for the life of me find them in any shops online (don't have a local anymore).
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Keep it on the low but from the source I heard they're redesigning the 147 lo like they did with the 145 lo, I'm guessing it's gonna resemble the remastered 147hi more like the remastered 145 lo, also I have a set of 147 lo and they're noticibly a bit on the chunky side.

Anyone notice that "theeve" looks like they're design totally ripped everything about the original thunders? Look at the hangar style/shape and baseplate almost exactly the same design

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They're known as Theeve for a reason

Also, is Thinders slowly improving their stuff?


ahaha true but still, just watching truck wars as soon as i saw the original thunders i was like woah woah, theeve thieving off thunders original design to the T like damn, they really are thieves especially now hearing their new white bushings are bones knock offs?? i thought they were just a custom bones for theeve
seriously though, theeve looks exactly like the original thunder. compare them everyone. and no puns intended with all the use of �thieve�

from what i heard yes, for the 147 lo cause im thinking they wanna keep up to date with all the trucks sizes since they did a remaster on the 147 hi, 145 hi and lo, then lastly the 149II and now 147 lo since its been so out of date i guess
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 15, 2016, 10:54:56 PM
If they were bones....they'd say it....the good news is they fit better but no way the quality is the same....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on August 15, 2016, 10:56:10 PM
I always thought theeve's looked more like stage 7's:
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb443/vapors101/Independent%20Trucks/stage-7-back.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 15, 2016, 11:21:38 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 15, 2016, 10:54:56 PM
If they were bones....they'd say it....the good news is they fit better but no way the quality is the same....

interesting, they took it off info about their trucks too?

aha they do look like stage 7 but comparing the hangar and baseplate i feel theyre more of a og thunder but potato patato cause werent thunders just indys originally then redesigned later to be its own cause ermico
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on August 16, 2016, 08:18:51 AM
"They" should just consolidate all truck companies into one. Make the different brands be different models: The "lowtwitch", "hightank", "OG", "surf flow" etc..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 20matar on August 16, 2016, 10:17:12 AM
Quote from: Zimmer on August 16, 2016, 08:18:51 AM
"They" should just consolidate all truck companies into one. Make the different brands be different models: The "lowtwitch", "hightank", "OG", "surf flow" etc..

Yea. Perhaps it even could be said that they could, like, "Just Do It". 2020 is tomorrow!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 16, 2016, 01:22:57 PM
Yeah Theeve has dropped the TI kingpings from the TIKings (now just hollow grade 8s), can't even buy them anymore and "come standard with Theeve Hardcore Bushings, guess the bones partnership is over.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on August 16, 2016, 05:47:28 PM
Quote from: Xen on August 16, 2016, 01:22:57 PM
Yeah Theeve has dropped the TI kingpings from the TIKings (now just hollow grade 8s), can't even buy them anymore and "come standard with Theeve Hardcore Bushings, guess the bones partnership is over.



Skatewarehouse says they still have the Ti kingpin.  I think its incorrect on their site, otherwise I don't know how they could justify a $20 price increase for a hollow steel KP
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on August 16, 2016, 05:57:43 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on August 16, 2016, 05:47:28 PM
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Yeah Theeve has dropped the TI kingpings from the TIKings (now just hollow grade 8s), can't even buy them anymore and "come standard with Theeve Hardcore Bushings, guess the bones partnership is over.
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Skatewarehouse says they still have the Ti kingpin.  I think its incorrect on their site, otherwise I don't know how they could justify a $20 price increase for a hollow steel KP

That stock Skate Warehouse just got of those TiKings is fresh, so their description is definitely incorrect if they claim they have titanium hollow kingpins. After j....soy.... exposing the fake Bones bushings on Theeve's I've now disregarded them as an option. My newest set of Ace's have been treating me very well with Krux bushings so I'm happy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cleveridiot on August 16, 2016, 06:57:47 PM
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Yeah Theeve has dropped the TI kingpings from the TIKings (now just hollow grade 8s), can't even buy them anymore and "come standard with Theeve Hardcore Bushings, guess the bones partnership is over.
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Skatewarehouse says they still have the Ti kingpin.  I think its incorrect on their site, otherwise I don't know how they could justify a $20 price increase for a hollow steel KP
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That stock Skate Warehouse just got of those TiKings is fresh, so their description is definitely incorrect if they claim they have titanium

hollow kingpins. After j....soy.... exposing the fake Bones bushings on Theeve's I've now disregarded them as an option. My newest set of Ace's have been treating me very well with Krux bushings so I'm happy.

Wait, tell me more about how they weren't even using real bones bushings? I didn't know about that
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 16, 2016, 09:14:03 PM
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Yeah Theeve has dropped the TI kingpings from the TIKings (now just hollow grade 8s), can't even buy them anymore and "come standard with Theeve Hardcore Bushings, guess the bones partnership is over.
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Skatewarehouse says they still have the Ti kingpin.  I think its incorrect on their site, otherwise I don't know how they could justify a $20 price increase for a hollow steel KP
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That stock Skate Warehouse just got of those TiKings is fresh, so their description is definitely incorrect if they claim they have titanium

hollow kingpins. After j....soy.... exposing the fake Bones bushings on Theeve's I've now disregarded them as an option. My newest set of Ace's have been treating me very well with Krux bushings so I'm happy.
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Wait, tell me more about how they weren't even using real bones bushings? I didn't know about that
They used to carry Bones Mid by default and now they're just plain white. The bushings take harder to break in and don't feel the same.
At least in my experience with the 6.5s on my curb/attempts at Tranny cruiser.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 16, 2016, 10:25:32 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on August 16, 2016, 05:47:28 PM
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Yeah Theeve has dropped the TI kingpings from the TIKings (now just hollow grade 8s), can't even buy them anymore and "come standard with Theeve Hardcore Bushings, guess the bones partnership is over.


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Skatewarehouse says they still have the Ti kingpin.  I think its incorrect on their site, otherwise I don't know how they could justify a $20 price increase for a hollow steel KP

Could be old stock; I was referencing Theeves http://www.theevetrucks.com/product/Theeve-TiKing-Raw-Trucks: (http://www.theevetrucks.com/product/Theeve-TiKing-Raw-Trucks:)


"The King

The TiKING boasts the same strength, durability, and dexterity that is Theeve Trucks, only with a hollow steel kingpin. Granted Theeve True Turn Geometry, the TiKING provides for a superior kingpin to hanger ratio, guaranteeing solid truck life, and meaning it grinds probably better than any other truck on the market. Classic cast hanger and baseplate, non-slip 6/4 titanium axle, hollow steel kingpins, hardcore bushings 55mm high to center of axle. Truck royalty."

Bit of a bummer really, but if no ones buying them....clearly the CSX is where they are putting their money (and pro names); guess the 'titanium' angle isn't cutting it for them. Sucks for them, great product that was marred by production issues, just like ACE.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 16, 2016, 10:36:22 PM
Quote from: Xen on August 16, 2016, 01:22:57 PM
Yeah Theeve has dropped the TI kingpings from the TIKings (now just hollow grade 8s), can't even buy them anymore and "come standard with Theeve Hardcore Bushings, guess the bones partnership is over.



Woah, no wonder they were tweeking a lot, swapped the theeve bushings in my new theeves with Indy conicals and man they surf, but stable surf. I noticed the new kingpins are shorter compared to the old. Only really riding theeve cause I get too hyped on tech trucks. I know they aren't that tech but the slogan and ad and branding of being a titanium truck with blah blah blah has brainwashed me to think they're the best cause the way they turn and how they grind and how much clearance they have on the pin when grinding. It's hard though cause I feel like I'm riding a truck that's just supposed to be an optimized knock off of the best(thunders/indy's) but it's always opinion and preference in the end. I like them so I'll ride them

Seriously though, so crazy when you see the kids or guys that rip so hard and they ride the weirdest trucks/setup just cause they're hyped off skating and skaters they like. For example guys who are so hyped off Daewon and ride tensors or silvers cause of kalis or whoever makes silver cool
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 16, 2016, 11:01:35 PM
I still skate tih's...it's shady for sure though.....but we pick apart every truck....so there had to be more wrong with these than the brand....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 17, 2016, 01:59:27 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 16, 2016, 11:01:35 PM
I still skate tih's...it's shady for sure though.....but we pick apart every truck....so there had to be more wrong with these than the brand....


Ahaha as much as I find out about theeve I still wanna save up for some of those bad boys, theeve tih being the shape of aces but being the strongest lightest trucks cause they're titanium and hollowed out sounds so cool! Like dude, it's the strongest lightest trucks and cause they're titanium they grind so smooth. Supposedly though the new tih v2 has a hangar that grinds smoother than before cause I guess they have a new alloy rather than just straight titanium, they put something in the titanium to make it grind faster basically

My friend has some original tih and they've been lasting him so long but damn cause he rides no bottom washer and fairly loose any cylinder bushing he uses is destroyed in 2 months, gave him a set of my og Indy stage 10 supercush conicals and they seem to hold up cause I guess when swapping bushings it's best to stick to bushings with the shape they were originally designed with

I think Steve mentioned it sometime ago about using Indy aftermarkets in thunders recommending to use conicals since barrels/cylinder tear up or just don't mesh well with the hangars design

Vetty interesting

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 17, 2016, 07:49:13 AM
Suffering from axel slip is why I got them,...in theory I proclaimed them as the last truck I'll ever need....when boards got wider Seamus sent me his....for which I should gnar him more often....

It's true about them grinding weird....bushings....I'm borderline one of those people who thinks stock Indy bushings are fine....I think I've replaced them and maybe a pivot....but they seem to work ok....I'm super light too....

They take forever to grind down...the design is cool...not sure if they'd hold up for everyone.....they are lighter too which is something I've gotten used to too.....crazy expensive though.....

i put how a theeve performs in the same class as Indy and Ace....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on August 18, 2016, 02:01:03 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 17, 2016, 07:49:13 AM
Suffering from axel slip is why I got them,...in theory I proclaimed them as the last truck I'll ever need....when boards got wider Seamus sent me his....for which I should gnar him more often....

It's true about them grinding weird....bushings....I'm borderline one of those people who thinks stock Indy bushings are fine....I think I've replaced them and maybe a pivot....but they seem to work ok....I'm super light too....

They take forever to grind down...the design is cool...not sure if they'd hold up for everyone.....they are lighter too which is something I've gotten used to too.....crazy expensive though.....

i put how a theeve performs in the same class as Indy and Ace....

i too am a fellow patient with axle slip diagnosed since the early days of my trucks' life.
i am riding thunders hollow 149 and axle slip occurred at around 5-10 mins of skating these trucks. now, after about 10 sessions the slip is so bad that it happens even when i don't land primo. totally frustrating and has got me thinking of actually welding the visible part of the axle to the hanger. my job is engineering related but i have absolutely no hands on experience in welding. i just know that it is possible.
has anyone here tried this before or has any experience in welding these two metals together and who could have a say about whatever problems may arise by doing so??? i am specifically worried about warping the truck after the metals have cooled down and also worried that the whole procedure will be a waste of time/trucks because a weld solo could not be enough to endure primos.

 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 18, 2016, 05:33:58 AM
gonna try out the max washer limit i can run ( 4 inside, 1 out) and see if that makes up for the extra bulbous nose on my current board
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on August 18, 2016, 05:42:11 AM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on August 18, 2016, 05:33:58 AM
gonna try out the max washer limit i can run ( 4 inside, 1 out) and see if that makes up for the extra bulbous nose on my current board
godspeed im on 3 now

man just gotta say I love you guys for making this thread so awesome
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on August 18, 2016, 05:48:09 AM
Quote from: Esquivel on August 18, 2016, 02:01:03 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 17, 2016, 07:49:13 AM
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Suffering from axel slip is why I got them,...in theory I proclaimed them as the last truck I'll ever need....when boards got wider Seamus sent me his....for which I should gnar him more often....

It's true about them grinding weird....bushings....I'm borderline one of those people who thinks stock Indy bushings are fine....I think I've replaced them and maybe a pivot....but they seem to work ok....I'm super light too....

They take forever to grind down...the design is cool...not sure if they'd hold up for everyone.....they are lighter too which is something I've gotten used to too.....crazy expensive though.....

i put how a theeve performs in the same class as Indy and Ace....
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i too am a fellow patient with axle slip diagnosed since the early days of my trucks' life.
i am riding thunders hollow 149 and axle slip occurred at around 5-10 mins of skating these trucks. now, after about 10 sessions the slip is so bad that it happens even when i don't land primo. totally frustrating and has got me thinking of actually welding the visible part of the axle to the hanger. my job is engineering related but i have absolutely no hands on experience in welding. i just know that it is possible.
has anyone here tried this before or has any experience in welding these two metals together and who could have a say about whatever problems may arise by doing so??? i am specifically worried about warping the truck after the metals have cooled down and also worried that the whole procedure will be a waste of time/trucks because a weld solo could not be enough to endure primos.

 
dude hit up deluxe if youre in the us they will hook you up
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 20matar on August 18, 2016, 07:25:22 AM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on August 18, 2016, 05:33:58 AM
gonna try out the max washer limit i can run ( 4 inside, 1 out) and see if that makes up for the extra bulbous nose on my current board

A wide board running with five washers on an Indy truck... is fast and bulbous. Got me?
I never tried riding with anything other than the 3+1 combo. It was nice when I had a wider board, also with a big-ass nose. A 5boro, 8.375 deck with a large nose that I didn't like at all, as it was too much for me. Once I sized down, to a 8.2 deck made of shitty maple, but with a smaller nose, I ditched the two extra washers. I'm riding Crail 149mm trucks, high. But I'm not good enough to have a real opinion, so take this for whatever it's worth (nothing).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on August 18, 2016, 07:28:28 AM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on August 18, 2016, 05:42:11 AM
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gonna try out the max washer limit i can run ( 4 inside, 1 out) and see if that makes up for the extra bulbous nose on my current board
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godspeed im on 3 now

man just gotta say I love you guys for making this thread so awesome
why putting 1 out ? just put 5 in, bro !
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on August 18, 2016, 10:48:59 PM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on August 18, 2016, 05:48:09 AM
Quote from: Esquivel on August 18, 2016, 02:01:03 AM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on August 17, 2016, 07:49:13 AM
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Suffering from axel slip is why I got them,...in theory I proclaimed them as the last truck I'll ever need....when boards got wider Seamus sent me his....for which I should gnar him more often....

It's true about them grinding weird....bushings....I'm borderline one of those people who thinks stock Indy bushings are fine....I think I've replaced them and maybe a pivot....but they seem to work ok....I'm super light too....

They take forever to grind down...the design is cool...not sure if they'd hold up for everyone.....they are lighter too which is something I've gotten used to too.....crazy expensive though.....

i put how a theeve performs in the same class as Indy and Ace....
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i too am a fellow patient with axle slip diagnosed since the early days of my trucks' life.
i am riding thunders hollow 149 and axle slip occurred at around 5-10 mins of skating these trucks. now, after about 10 sessions the slip is so bad that it happens even when i don't land primo. totally frustrating and has got me thinking of actually welding the visible part of the axle to the hanger. my job is engineering related but i have absolutely no hands on experience in welding. i just know that it is possible.
has anyone here tried this before or has any experience in welding these two metals together and who could have a say about whatever problems may arise by doing so??? i am specifically worried about warping the truck after the metals have cooled down and also worried that the whole procedure will be a waste of time/trucks because a weld solo could not be enough to endure primos.

 
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dude hit up deluxe if youre in the us they will hook you up

i live in Greece. Shipment alone would cost more than the trucks. Also i don't want to wait for a month+ for the product to arrive.
i think i might go ahead and do the weld this weekend.
at the same time though i feel kinda ripped off because this is going to be the second set of defect thunders that i got since february! the first had dodgy pivot holes with broken bottoms that made the pivot cup burst and the pivot to grind against the baseplate and finally wear off. in previews posts i said that i was going to post pictures but never got my lazy ass to do it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 18, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
I considered Theeve's once, until I saw that their pro models consist of Sinner and Garrett Hill. I mean really, how good could they be?

Went back to Venture highs. I feel at peace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 18, 2016, 11:12:47 PM
Quote from: Esquivel on August 18, 2016, 02:01:03 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 17, 2016, 07:49:13 AM
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Suffering from axel slip is why I got them,...in theory I proclaimed them as the last truck I'll ever need....when boards got wider Seamus sent me his....for which I should gnar him more often....

It's true about them grinding weird....bushings....I'm borderline one of those people who thinks stock Indy bushings are fine....I think I've replaced them and maybe a pivot....but they seem to work ok....I'm super light too....

They take forever to grind down...the design is cool...not sure if they'd hold up for everyone.....they are lighter too which is something I've gotten used to too.....crazy expensive though.....

i put how a theeve performs in the same class as Indy and Ace....
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i too am a fellow patient with axle slip diagnosed since the early days of my trucks' life.
i am riding thunders hollow 149 and axle slip occurred at around 5-10 mins of skating these trucks. now, after about 10 sessions the slip is so bad that it happens even when i don't land primo. totally frustrating and has got me thinking of actually welding the visible part of the axle to the hanger. my job is engineering related but i have absolutely no hands on experience in welding. i just know that it is possible.
has anyone here tried this before or has any experience in welding these two metals together and who could have a say about whatever problems may arise by doing so??? i am specifically worried about warping the truck after the metals have cooled down and also worried that the whole procedure will be a waste of time/trucks because a weld solo could not be enough to endure primos.

 

My new theory is getting a bearing with an extended race allows you to crank down your axel nut which should give zero opportunity for axel slip......

There's been some design ideas in this thread to alleviate the slippage.....hopefully companies get better at it....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on August 19, 2016, 03:15:24 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 18, 2016, 11:12:47 PM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on August 17, 2016, 07:49:13 AM
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Suffering from axel slip is why I got them,...in theory I proclaimed them as the last truck I'll ever need....when boards got wider Seamus sent me his....for which I should gnar him more often....

It's true about them grinding weird....bushings....I'm borderline one of those people who thinks stock Indy bushings are fine....I think I've replaced them and maybe a pivot....but they seem to work ok....I'm super light too....

They take forever to grind down...the design is cool...not sure if they'd hold up for everyone.....they are lighter too which is something I've gotten used to too.....crazy expensive though.....

i put how a theeve performs in the same class as Indy and Ace....
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i too am a fellow patient with axle slip diagnosed since the early days of my trucks' life.
i am riding thunders hollow 149 and axle slip occurred at around 5-10 mins of skating these trucks. now, after about 10 sessions the slip is so bad that it happens even when i don't land primo. totally frustrating and has got me thinking of actually welding the visible part of the axle to the hanger. my job is engineering related but i have absolutely no hands on experience in welding. i just know that it is possible.
has anyone here tried this before or has any experience in welding these two metals together and who could have a say about whatever problems may arise by doing so??? i am specifically worried about warping the truck after the metals have cooled down and also worried that the whole procedure will be a waste of time/trucks because a weld solo could not be enough to endure primos.

 
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My new theory is getting a bearing with an extended race allows you to crank down your axel nut which should give zero opportunity for axel slip......

There's been some design ideas in this thread to alleviate the slippage.....hopefully companies get better at it....

yeah i have been closely following this thread and am a full supporter of a similar theory, using spacers between the two bearings and thus eliminating the space for slip. However, i don't really like the way the wheels spin when they are tightened properly. i always prefer to have around half a mm of play on each wheel so that my board is nice and noisy. since no one has tried this i might give it a go as it seems to be the only possible solution to my problem. i also thought of drilling a tiny pin hole (as has been mentioned previously) but i believe this method has more potential to fuck up my trucks permanently. fucking hate axle slip, its 2016. i'd much rather pay the extra buck to get a truck that doesn't slip and turns properly than to pay for hollow/titanium/B.S. technologies.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 19, 2016, 01:58:15 PM
I don't have a lot of faith in trucks coming up with no slip axels....honestly most people don't have this problem.  It has improved but unfortunately it's not good enough and my flip/land ratio is not getting better.....

With the extended race bearings the wheels run loud after you break them in, they sound loose....but no vibration cancels the barking of wheels in slides....and yeah your board sounds like a toy store board.....

It feels like an accomplishment for me because I used to skate in the 80's where your board had t-nuts and tons of parts making it impossible to sound quiet......

Ok....another question......no stores have the krux inverted kingpin and I'm too cheap to pay for shipping....cant I just get one at machine shop?  What's the size? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on August 20, 2016, 06:35:06 AM
hmm perhaps contact the Greek distributor of Thunder?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 21, 2016, 04:32:01 AM
finally got away from work and pushed around on my theeves reborn from the v2 days now with some v3 highs and damn. They feel so responsive. I love them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on August 22, 2016, 12:07:48 AM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on August 20, 2016, 06:35:06 AM
hmm perhaps contact the Greek distributor of Thunder?

the way i got these trucks is a long story and i'm not sure there even is a Greek distributor of Thunder, things are very fluid over here.
fuck it, just gonna get over it and skate as is because i couldn't even be bothered with the welding thing (got some nice bud and can't get my self around doing anything productive).
and yeah j soy, watching the truck wars episode made me remember how my set up used to look like steve cabs with all the excess gimmicks attached to it!!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 22, 2016, 12:12:57 AM
Hmm there isn't a euro distro or something that could set you up and just send your defects for you back to the guys at deluxe since they would work with them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on August 22, 2016, 12:33:04 AM
Quote from: rob on August 22, 2016, 12:12:57 AM
Hmm there isn't a euro distro or something that could set you up and just send your defects for you back to the guys at deluxe since they would work with them

From my experiences they dont do that, or atleast indy or bones didn't, they just telling me that i have to contact directly to us and pay the shipping myself if i wanted to have a new set(live in finland)... I'm always little bit of jealous to you guys living in us, it seems like you can even send your mushy bones bushings to them and get a new set for free 😄
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 20matar on August 22, 2016, 07:27:51 AM
Crazy question, but it's bothering me. Are spacers supposed to get smashed like beer cans after a while? After noticing that one of my wheels stopped having play, I found that its bearing spacer was smashed and compressed. I checked all four wheels, and two of them were all bent. Toe side on back foot, and heel side on front foot, if it makes any sense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on August 22, 2016, 07:32:01 AM
yep it happens to all to them eventually I think, me and many others go without them 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Toydivision on August 22, 2016, 08:32:50 PM
I'm skating Thunder 149 hi's, the bushings are totally munched up and exploding inside out. I've been skating bones medium in them but they don't seem to work well or last long. Are there any good bushings specific to Thunder hi's or are bones the best?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on August 22, 2016, 10:00:55 PM
Quote from: 360 Fakie Fullcab to Mongo Mallgrab Wallmart Out on August 22, 2016, 08:32:50 PM
I'm skating Thunder 149 hi's, the bushings are totally munched up and exploding inside out. I've been skating bones medium in them but they don't seem to work well or last long. Are there any good bushings specific to Thunder hi's or are bones the best?
The conical Indy's work well. Thunder brand aftermarkets are harder to find but I'm pretty sure Tactics has them in 90,95, and 100a.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on August 23, 2016, 09:22:40 AM
Quote from: 360 Fakie Fullcab to Mongo Mallgrab Wallmart Out on August 22, 2016, 08:32:50 PM
I'm skating Thunder 149 hi's, the bushings are totally munched up and exploding inside out. I've been skating bones medium in them but they don't seem to work well or last long. Are there any good bushings specific to Thunder hi's or are bones the best?

Do you use any washers?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 24, 2016, 10:43:46 AM
Thunder bushings fit the best (duh) but to me they don't have enough rebound, they feel sort of slow and sloppy when loose.

Even with bones you have to use the bottom washers to match height of the stock bushings if you want to maintain stock geo (if that matters to you, tons of people don't bother.

My preference are the red 88a conical Indy aftermarkets + a washer (the thin bones washer is perfect); I posted a pic of it in this thread a few pages back or so.

I just switched back to the team plates using the same bushings/krux pin and it feels fantastic.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on August 24, 2016, 12:09:33 PM
couldn't get back into the Thunders. 

so, back on the Indy 149 program (some olders Reynolds hollow kingpin/hangar with the regular baseplate I'd been skating for a year or so)...this time with the orange indy aftermarkets.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Randozzi on August 24, 2016, 12:17:15 PM
Really digging the orange conical aftermarket Indy bushings I have in my 149s, good stuff.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on August 24, 2016, 01:15:43 PM
Quote from: Randozzi on August 24, 2016, 12:17:15 PM
Really digging the orange conical aftermarket Indy bushings I have in my 139s, good stuff.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heritage on August 24, 2016, 01:18:00 PM
Outside of Khiro conical, I really like those Creature 94A bushings, which are basically NHS/Indy anyway, just colored green. I also use small washers with them (top/bottom) instead of one small/top and one big/bottom.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on August 24, 2016, 01:56:06 PM
what's the difference with a smaller washer on the bottom?  very curious
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heritage on August 24, 2016, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: art hellman on August 24, 2016, 01:56:06 PM
what's the difference with a smaller washer on the bottom?  very curious

Nothing really. Just OCD. I got so used to those conicals with the metal insert that when I skated 'normal' bushings (without the metal insert) I just tried to replicate the look. It's really just an OCD thing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on August 24, 2016, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: heritage on August 24, 2016, 02:12:30 PM
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what's the difference with a smaller washer on the bottom?  very curious
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Nothing really. Just OCD. I got so used to those conicals with the metal insert that when I skated 'normal' bushings (without the metal insert) I just tried to replicate the look. It's really just an OCD thing.

oh, I get it.

we're all a little bit crazy

Seal - Crazy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWmaoQWX6Ws#)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on August 24, 2016, 05:14:28 PM
Quote from: art hellman on August 24, 2016, 12:09:33 PM
couldn't get back into the Thunders. 

so, back on the Indy 149 program (some olders Reynolds hollow kingpin/hangar with the regular baseplate I'd been skating for a year or so)...this time with the orange indy aftermarkets.

Just curious (I can't decided between the two for my next trucks), what were the main things that made you drop the thunder and go back to indy?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 24, 2016, 05:20:47 PM
Unless you're a slash dog, you guys are fuckkng up not considering Ventures. I hemmed and hawed about trucks for a solid 2 years and couldn't get comfortable on Stage 11s (10s were great imo) or Thunders. Back on ventures, threw in the Indy 92(blue) bushings, don't want to ride anything else.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Toydivision on August 24, 2016, 05:26:58 PM
Quote from: VCR on August 23, 2016, 09:22:40 AM
Quote from: 360 Fakie Fullcab to Mongo Mallgrab Wallmart Out on August 22, 2016, 08:32:50 PM
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I'm skating Thunder 149 hi's, the bushings are totally munched up and exploding inside out. I've been skating bones medium in them but they don't seem to work well or last long. Are there any good bushings specific to Thunder hi's or are bones the best?
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Do you use any washers?

no washer on bottom, the small washer that comes with the bushings on top.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on August 24, 2016, 05:35:33 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 24, 2016, 05:20:47 PM
Unless you're a slash dog, you guys are fuckkng up not considering Ventures. I hemmed and hawed about trucks for a solid 2 years and couldn't get comfortable on Stage 11s (10s were great imo) or Thunders. Back on ventures, threw in the Indy 92(blue) bushings, don't want to ride anything else.

Are they as stable as people say? I could probably get down with some ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heritage on August 24, 2016, 05:51:09 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 24, 2016, 05:20:47 PM
Unless you're a slash dog, you guys are fuckkng up not considering Ventures. I hemmed and hawed about trucks for a solid 2 years and couldn't get comfortable on Stage 11s (10s were great imo) or Thunders. Back on ventures, threw in the Indy 92(blue) bushings, don't want to ride anything else.

Brother you are going to think I am insane, but I've been rotating a set of Tensor Mag Lite HI into the mix and they are REALLY good trucks. I have zero reason to get on here and hype up Tensors out of the blue but I was really surprised in the most positive way possible. Known for being tech trucks, they turn beautifully and ironically enough, are actually taller than Thunder 149 HI.

I want to put some more time on them before I go crazy with praise but so far I've been impressed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on August 24, 2016, 06:11:14 PM
Man you truck hounds down in the states should start a truck library service or something like that, maybe thats a weird idea, but it would awesome to hear your guys thoughts on like every truck/bushing out there without you having to pay for ones you might not like, on like a 2 week rotation or something,I would love to nerd out on that and I don't think I am alone.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on August 24, 2016, 06:52:41 PM
Quote from: Xen on August 24, 2016, 10:43:46 AM
Thunder bushings fit the best (duh) but to me they don't have enough rebound, they feel sort of slow and sloppy when loose.

Even with bones you have to use the bottom washers to match height of the stock bushings if you want to maintain stock geo (if that matters to you, tons of people don't bother.

My preference are the red 88a conical Indy aftermarkets + a washer (the thin bones washer is perfect); I posted a pic of it in this thread a few pages back or so.

I just switched back to the team plates using the same bushings/krux pin and it feels fantastic.

i was riding thunders for years with bones bushings and id always end up with a messed up pivot cup. rode  em with the thunder aftermarkets and it never happened again.

i was on the indy 88s but they were too soft. the 90 conicals are perfect for me on indys
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 24, 2016, 07:23:07 PM
Zimmer- Yeah man, they're really stable, take a little more to turn, but the do turn. I ride them washer flush. 

Heritage- I don't doubt it! I'd be down to try a set. I almost won a set of new mag lights on ebay a couple of weeks ago but got snaked at the last second. I've seen kids at the park ripping the bowl in Tensors... Shit, one kid was destroying it on a set of Silvers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on August 24, 2016, 08:07:03 PM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on August 24, 2016, 06:11:14 PM
Man you truck hounds down in the states should start a truck library service or something like that, maybe thats a weird idea, but it would awesome to hear your guys thoughts on like every truck/bushing out there without you having to pay for ones you might not like, on like a 2 week rotation or something,I would love to nerd out on that and I don't think I am alone.

Haha, this thread is like AA for truck nerds. I've yet to meet someone in real life that nerds out on trucks like me, only on here. It's lame how so many truck companies have been putting garbage stock bushings in their trucks for so long and most skaters pay no attention to it. Bushings are the key to a trucks performance. Period. If you have some shitty bushings, or ones that are not the correct height, you're paying around $40-$50 for a set of trucks that are working improperly and run the risk of breaking faster. If trucks are designed to last long enough to do a fuckton of grinds, why not include some bushings with some good rebound and a durometer that's not as soft as playdoh?

There's this local dude at the park who could easily be am, if not pro, and he's been skating hand-me-downs for as long as I've known him. Old stages of Indy's with obliterated bushings and pivot cups that look like they were fished from a landfill. Chipped up and no concave boards, flatspot infested wheels, rusted bearings. Dude doesn't give a fuck...I tip my fedora to him.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tracer on August 24, 2016, 08:14:23 PM
Quote from: Main on August 24, 2016, 08:07:03 PM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on August 24, 2016, 06:11:14 PM
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Man you truck hounds down in the states should start a truck library service or something like that, maybe thats a weird idea, but it would awesome to hear your guys thoughts on like every truck/bushing out there without you having to pay for ones you might not like, on like a 2 week rotation or something,I would love to nerd out on that and I don't think I am alone.
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Haha, this thread is like AA for truck nerds. I've yet to meet someone in real life that nerds out on trucks like me, only on here. It's lame how so many truck companies have been putting garbage stock bushings in their trucks for so long and most skaters pay no attention to it. Bushings are the key to a trucks performance. Period. If you have some shitty bushings, or ones that are not the correct height, you're paying around $40-$50 for a set of trucks that are working improperly and run the risk of breaking faster. If trucks are designed to last long enough to do a fuckton of grinds, why not include some bushings with some good rebound and a durometer that's not as soft as playdoh?

There's this local dude at the park who could easily be am, if not pro, and he's been skating hand-me-downs for as long as I've known him. Old stages of Indy's with obliterated bushings and pivot cups that look like they were fished from a landfill. Chipped up and no concave boards, flatspot infested wheels, rusted bearings. Dude doesn't give a fuck...I tip my fedora to him.
Most trucks bought don't get skated, buyers are usually parents for their kids. People would freak if Indy changed their stock bushings, don't forget most buyers aren't 6 foot 180. Using soft bushings may not be everyone but they are always skateable. Harder stock bushings would need instant replacing more often, indys are used for more than just street skating.

There is obviously a market for bushings too look at Khiro and Thunder with all their replacement packs. My problem is people think bones bushings are actually good, they're like a shitstain on a great brand.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 24, 2016, 11:57:47 PM
aha yeah this thread is the only place i can find others to talk and relate about trucks with, all or most of my friends just dont care what they ride. theyre just like, this is what i like or have been riding forever so im gonna just stick to it, no opinion on what they ride what so ever.

sorry for being that guy, but guys...after riding most of the best trucks except venture hi and aces(ive stepped on a friends board with aces though) my decision in the end even though i have mentioned it a page back or so. theeves. trust me they have improved. i have been riding my new v3ś for the last week and damn, they are good trucks. ive skated thunder 147 hi, 149, indy stage 11 139, 149, krux 4.0 talls, 5.0 talls and they all had their ups and sadly downs but theeves. they turn quick like thunders but they actually stay turning and carve deep in a circle like indys. and even though the website says 55mm tall theyre actually about a thunder 147 hi height maybe a little taller cause i guess the angle of the hangar and cause of the height you dont feel so unstably hi like indys 55mm

to wrap up what i said about theeve incase you guys want to know how they feel and ride.
-quick turn and response
-deep turn
-stable height
-somewhat light
-grinds so so but the clearance is outstanding, messed up getting into a 50 and the kingpin somehow didnt get scratched at all
-the hole placement though i cant confirm yet if its a good thing or bad thing because i feel it kinda shortens the wheel base but i like that and i noticed getting into nose and tailslides didnt easily lock into the baseplate so that might be off for some
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on August 25, 2016, 02:08:47 AM
Quote from: heritage on August 24, 2016, 05:51:09 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 24, 2016, 05:20:47 PM
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Unless you're a slash dog, you guys are fuckkng up not considering Ventures. I hemmed and hawed about trucks for a solid 2 years and couldn't get comfortable on Stage 11s (10s were great imo) or Thunders. Back on ventures, threw in the Indy 92(blue) bushings, don't want to ride anything else.
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Brother you are going to think I am insane, but I've been rotating a set of Tensor Mag Lite HI into the mix and they are REALLY good trucks. I have zero reason to get on here and hype up Tensors out of the blue but I was really surprised in the most positive way possible. Known for being tech trucks, they turn beautifully and ironically enough, are actually taller than Thunder 149 HI.

I want to put some more time on them before I go crazy with praise but so far I've been impressed.


my mate got a set of tensors mag lite (lows though) after going through a set of thunders 149 high. the comparison in height is similar (tensor low = thunder high) and he only had good things to say. What impressed me the most was that his board felt like there were no trucks attached. crazy stuff. he set them with doh dohs and the board felt great.
too bad the metal chewed like fuck and after every grind there were debri around the ledge that looked like someone had just sharpened a metal pencil. trucks lasted about a month but my mate mostly does grinds and flat ground tricks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tracer on August 25, 2016, 02:12:17 AM
Theeve got outed for false claims with their titanium. Shops don't carry them here but i always wanted to try em.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on August 25, 2016, 07:53:13 AM
so for the krux-bushings-in-aces people, do you keep both washers on as well? or do you remove one or both of them?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on August 25, 2016, 07:59:27 AM
Quote from: Zimmer on August 24, 2016, 05:14:28 PM
Quote from: art hellman on August 24, 2016, 12:09:33 PM
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couldn't get back into the Thunders. 

so, back on the Indy 149 program (some olders Reynolds hollow kingpin/hangar with the regular baseplate I'd been skating for a year or so)...this time with the orange indy aftermarkets.
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Just curious (I can't decided between the two for my next trucks), what were the main things that made you drop the thunder and go back to indy?

familiarity.  the set of indys are trucks id been skating for a year or so.  I put on the Thunders and thought, "do I want to have to break these in?" ... my answer was "no".

also, I actually like the weight of Indys.  it's just feels weird when the board is so light.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on August 25, 2016, 08:21:20 AM
Quote from: art hellman on August 25, 2016, 07:59:27 AM
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couldn't get back into the Thunders.� 

so, back on the Indy 149 program (some olders Reynolds hollow kingpin/hangar with the regular baseplate I'd been skating for a year or so)...this time with the orange indy aftermarkets.
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Just curious (I can't decided between the two for my next trucks), what were the main things that made you drop the thunder and go back to indy?
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familiarity.  the set of indys are trucks id been skating for a year or so.  I put on the Thunders and thought, "do I want to have to break these in?" ... my answer was "no".

also, I actually like the weight of Indys.  it's just feels weird when the board is so light.

Makes sense! So many trucks, so little money..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 25, 2016, 08:59:25 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on August 25, 2016, 07:53:13 AM
so for the krux-bushings-in-aces people, do you keep both washers on as well? or do you remove one or both of them?

I use both washers, well the bottom anyway as I use the Krux downlow kingpins.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on August 25, 2016, 08:43:21 PM
Pretty bummed on my truck situation atm, noticed my board was sounding weird yesterday took off the hanger this morning to find the kingpin on one of my Thunder 147's was loose, hammered it back in, only to find that its loose again after skating today. Has anyone ever successfully fixed this or is my shit totally fucked, had the same problem with indy's before and never was able to fix it.  :'(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on August 25, 2016, 10:21:47 PM
Anyone try forged base plates with a normal solid kingpin? I think most forged bp's come strictly with hollow kingpins.

I prefer the denser vibration feel of solid kingpins under my feet (where as the hollow type feel opposite and rattly), but the forged bp's feel pretty good on their own. I've been wanting to try to install normal kp's into the forged ones. Not sure how it'd be though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on August 27, 2016, 03:35:58 PM
Truck nerds I need some help. I can't decide what trucks to mount on this beauty. Board is 8.8" at its widest and tapers to 8.25". I told myself I'd never get one of these tapered Polar shapes again as the drastic taper makes truck choice tricky but this one really called out to me. My choices are Ace 44/55, Indy 149/ 159 or Thunder 151? I'm leaving towards Indy 149s with 56mm conical wide F4s.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/b4sx09.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on August 27, 2016, 03:58:03 PM
Yeah, anything 149 brotha.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 27, 2016, 08:43:26 PM
What size decks do you plan on riding in the future?  Do you usually skate 8.5's?  Or do you see yourself dipping back to an 8.25?  That should dictate it unless you are ok w. multiple set ups....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on August 27, 2016, 08:45:14 PM
Quote from: Main on August 27, 2016, 03:58:03 PM
Yeah, anything 149 brotha.

This. If you go bigger, the nose might be spot on, but the back truck will stick out like a mofo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on August 27, 2016, 10:35:19 PM
Just broke in my Independents perfectly and they got a axel slip  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on August 27, 2016, 10:58:59 PM
149s with wide wheels it is. 44s and 55s just won't work on this set up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LennyDLXSF on August 29, 2016, 08:31:34 AM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on August 25, 2016, 08:43:21 PM
Pretty bummed on my truck situation atm, noticed my board was sounding weird yesterday took off the hanger this morning to find the kingpin on one of my Thunder 147's was loose, hammered it back in, only to find that its loose again after skating today. Has anyone ever successfully fixed this or is my shit totally fucked, had the same problem with indy's before and never was able to fix it.  :'(

Email me please, [email protected]  8)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on August 29, 2016, 12:42:09 PM
Quote from: LennyDLXSF on August 29, 2016, 08:31:34 AM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on August 25, 2016, 08:43:21 PM
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Pretty bummed on my truck situation atm, noticed my board was sounding weird yesterday took off the hanger this morning to find the kingpin on one of my Thunder 147's was loose, hammered it back in, only to find that its loose again after skating today. Has anyone ever successfully fixed this or is my shit totally fucked, had the same problem with indy's before and never was able to fix it.  :'(
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Email me please, [email protected]  8)
Cheers!, already on a new set of 149's hi's and they are awesome!, I think the problems I have with pivot cups and kingpins is from not using a bottom washer and riding my trucks quite loose(wobbly)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on August 29, 2016, 04:40:29 PM
I have a cruiser with solid stage 10 129s. I love the way they turn. My popsicle has hollow stage 11 reynolds 139s, but I don't like the feeling of them as much.

Anyone else prefer solids?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 29, 2016, 11:21:21 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on August 29, 2016, 04:40:29 PM
I have a cruiser with solid stage 10 129s. I love the way they turn. My popsicle has hollow stage 11 reynolds 139s, but I don't like the feeling of them as much.

Anyone else prefer solids?


i do, cant skate forged or thin baseplates. i need that super solid meaty gravity cast standard baseplate and solid whole truck feel. i know the guy who did the truck reviews on skateboardingismylifetime feels the same when i was reading his review on forged indy hollows, forged take away this solid heavy feeling you want for more board feel. i guess you could get use to it but just having a solid truck is like that whole driving stick with clutch rather than the new sterring wheel pedal shifters. or maybe its like skating a regular solid 7 ply deck compared to something freaky like the mullen uber light, never had one but i assume that hollow inside with Styrofoam insert or whatever would throw you off cause its lighter and missing the solid one piece feel

side note, has anyone tried destructos? both the D1 and D2 and the Proś of any of the sort? gonna get a pair of D2 soon to try and wanted to know if anyone has had a set and opinon/review

they look really nice and solid and i noticed for some reason the bushngs and shape is different on the D1 and D2

the 1ś have hard looking cylinder bushings and are high for a mid

the 2ś look more like a mid and come with conical bushings, but the 2 pros come with this bones bushing copycat

also thinking of getting some fury, industrial and tensors to try before the year ends.

ive already got and skated all the thunders(all of them in every size except 145 hi and 151) indy stage 11 139 hi and low and 149 hi, theeve hi and lo, venture lo, silver m class, mini logos, royal IV and the new ones, krux tall 4.0 and 5.0 and the downlows, ive stepped on a few friends setups with aces and they feel solid and carvy but theyre too loose for me so i knew i shouldnt get them cause i cant ride like surfers

i just cant get enough trucks, so far i love the way my theeves are but im still hunching to find what would spruce my skating to its top.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on August 30, 2016, 07:17:11 AM
Quote from: rob on August 29, 2016, 11:21:21 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on August 29, 2016, 04:40:29 PM
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I have a cruiser with solid stage 10 129s. I love the way they turn. My popsicle has hollow stage 11 reynolds 139s, but I don't like the feeling of them as much.

Anyone else prefer solids?

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i do, cant skate forged or thin baseplates. i need that super solid meaty gravity cast standard baseplate and solid whole truck feel. i know the guy who did the truck reviews on skateboardingismylifetime feels the same when i was reading his review on forged indy hollows, forged take away this solid heavy feeling you want for more board feel. i guess you could get use to it but just having a solid truck is like that whole driving stick with clutch rather than the new sterring wheel pedal shifters. or maybe its like skating a regular solid 7 ply deck compared to something freaky like the mullen uber light, never had one but i assume that hollow inside with Styrofoam insert or whatever would throw you off cause its lighter and missing the solid one piece feel



the reynolds are cast but have hollow kingpins and axles.

I agree solid indys skate better even though they're heavier. there's more control when you're skating whereas with hollow trucks the board gets flung around too easily or something. it's hard to describe. and the solid ones turn more surfy when they're broken in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 30, 2016, 10:15:03 PM
I find the hollow everything is the culprit to the 'weird feeling', at least with Thunders and especially coupled with ti hangers (sooo light tho :))

Ti Thunder hangers (light) + team plate (height) + Krux kingpin (clearance and weight offset of stock teams with solid king) + Indy 88a conicals w/ a flat bottom washer = a stellar combo (lots effort and $$ to get there tho). FWIW that combo is the same weight as Indy Tis with bones bushings.

I'd wager the Reynolds plates/pins with the TI indy hanger would be a great combo as well. Sort of right in the middle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on August 30, 2016, 10:19:08 PM
Quote from: Xen on August 30, 2016, 10:15:03 PM
Ti Thunder hangers (light) + team plate (height) + Krux kingpin (clearance and weight offset of stock teams with solid king) + Indy 88a conicals w/ a flat bottom washer = a stellar combo (lots effort and $$ to get there tho).

Fuck man :o I think you should see a doctor or something
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 31, 2016, 01:01:21 AM
Christ Xen, thats like a skateboarding recipe, but i admire that level of commitment to finding the right truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on August 31, 2016, 03:44:43 AM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on August 30, 2016, 10:19:08 PM
Quote from: Xen on August 30, 2016, 10:15:03 PM
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Ti Thunder hangers (light) + team plate (height) + Krux kingpin (clearance and weight offset of stock teams with solid king) + Indy 88a conicals w/ a flat bottom washer = a stellar combo (lots effort and $$ to get there tho).
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Fuck man :o I think you should see a doctor or something
don't forget to check your pivot cups, dude !
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on August 31, 2016, 05:15:59 AM
Quote from: Xen on August 30, 2016, 10:15:03 PM
I find the hollow everything is the culprit to the 'weird feeling', at least with Thunders and especially coupled with ti hangers (sooo light tho :))

Ti Thunder hangers (light) + team plate (height) + Krux kingpin (clearance and weight offset of stock teams with solid king) + Indy 88a conicals w/ a flat bottom washer = a stellar combo (lots effort and $$ to get there tho). FWIW that combo is the same weight as Indy Tis with bones bushings.

I'd wager the Reynolds plates/pins with the TI indy hanger would be a great combo as well. Sort of right in the middle.
+1 you're the man!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on August 31, 2016, 06:27:07 AM
Quote from: Xen on August 30, 2016, 10:15:03 PM

I'd wager the Reynolds plates/pins with the TI indy hanger would be a great combo as well. Sort of right in the middle.

ha.  that's exactly what I just set up. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 31, 2016, 09:04:02 AM
Quote from: art hellman on August 31, 2016, 06:27:07 AM
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I'd wager the Reynolds plates/pins with the TI indy hanger would be a great combo as well. Sort of right in the middle.
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ha.  that's exactly what I just set up. 

Wouldn't that be he same height as a standard Indy though? That's my problem with 11s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on August 31, 2016, 09:37:49 AM
never had issues with the 11s height...10s feels too low now, on my chill set-up...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 31, 2016, 06:22:34 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 31, 2016, 09:04:02 AM
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I'd wager the Reynolds plates/pins with the TI indy hanger would be a great combo as well. Sort of right in the middle.
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ha.  that's exactly what I just set up. 
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Wouldn't that be he same height as a standard Indy though? That's my problem with 11s.

i feel you with truck height problems but all in all id still choose gravity cast over thin/forged baseplates, the height might be something to deal with but the feel of flimsy weak light trucks throws me off harder. its weird you can feel how flimsy forged/thin baseplates are when you pop and land, its just not solid. like a punch with and without gloves or something like that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on September 01, 2016, 11:11:13 AM
took the extra washers(speed rings) off my 149 team hi's and holy shit, it feels amazing with my 8.3 and classic f4's, also lost the risers with the added height, using the rebuild kit bushings(100a I think) I got in the winter which are still going strong, no bottom washer, really stoked on my ride atm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on September 01, 2016, 02:35:00 PM
Giving the Ace 03 a second chance this weekend, but this time they are entirely bastardized.

I purchased Magnesium baseplates, and 95a Doh Doh's that I had to sand down to fit the Ace bushing size. I'll report back with my findings after proper demoing.

*also Khiro small pivot cups, as any company using hard plastic cups (minilogo) is doing it wrong*
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on September 01, 2016, 02:46:51 PM
Quote from: Mongoloid on September 01, 2016, 02:35:00 PM
Giving the Ace 03 a second chance this weekend, but this time they are entirely bastardized.

I purchased Magnesium baseplates, and 95a Doh Doh's that I had to sand down to fit the Ace bushing size. I'll report back with my findings after proper demoing.

*also Khiro small pivot cups, as any company using hard plastic cups (minilogo) is doing it wrong*

Where did you buy your mag plates?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on September 01, 2016, 03:07:41 PM
Quote from: Main on September 01, 2016, 02:46:51 PM
Quote from: Mongoloid on September 01, 2016, 02:35:00 PM
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Giving the Ace 03 a second chance this weekend, but this time they are entirely bastardized.

I purchased Magnesium baseplates, and 95a Doh Doh's that I had to sand down to fit the Ace bushing size. I'll report back with my findings after proper demoing.

*also Khiro small pivot cups, as any company using hard plastic cups (minilogo) is doing it wrong*
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Where did you buy your mag plates?

I managed to find a set on strange-house.net. I think I purchased the second to last set.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on September 01, 2016, 08:13:28 PM
Quote from: Mongoloid on September 01, 2016, 03:07:41 PM
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Giving the Ace 03 a second chance this weekend, but this time they are entirely bastardized.

I purchased Magnesium baseplates, and 95a Doh Doh's that I had to sand down to fit the Ace bushing size. I'll report back with my findings after proper demoing.

*also Khiro small pivot cups, as any company using hard plastic cups (minilogo) is doing it wrong*
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Where did you buy your mag plates?
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I managed to find a set on strange-house.net. I think I purchased the second to last set.

Damn, if only I knew sooner they probably had hi mag plates. Thanks though, cheers!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on September 01, 2016, 08:31:23 PM
Quote from: Mongoloid on September 01, 2016, 02:35:00 PM
Giving the Ace 03 a second chance this weekend, but this time they are entirely bastardized.
What was wrong with them the first time round? Thinking of trying out a pair of stock ones on my next setup...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on September 01, 2016, 09:11:02 PM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on September 01, 2016, 08:31:23 PM
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Giving the Ace 03 a second chance this weekend, but this time they are entirely bastardized.
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What was wrong with them the first time round? Thinking of trying out a pair of stock ones on my next setup...

What was wrong with them was probably more a matter of what was wrong with me. I couldn't find my center as far popping the board, going from thunders to ace. It felt as if  I had absolutely no control whatsoever. This really only applies to my street setup though, as I happily rock Ace's on my transition setup.

When I was a spring chicken with ridiculous board control I could swap between any component and skate exactly the same. I swear my sub conscious still functions off that mindset, but the elder body does not.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 01, 2016, 10:44:37 PM
Funny....I do the exact opposite.....kinda....ACEs on street cause they are super fun riding looser....and thunders on my ramp set up..... Gives a longer wheelbase and I ride tighter trucks.....thunders make sense to me if you aren't carving.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 02, 2016, 09:19:22 AM
Quote from: the snake on August 31, 2016, 03:44:43 AM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on August 30, 2016, 10:19:08 PM
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Ti Thunder hangers (light) + team plate (height) + Krux kingpin (clearance and weight offset of stock teams with solid king) + Indy 88a conicals w/ a flat bottom washer = a stellar combo (lots effort and $$ to get there tho).
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Fuck man :o I think you should see a doctor or something
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don't forget to check your pivot cups, dude !

Khiro small softs mang!

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on September 02, 2016, 09:39:23 AM
Quote from: Xen on September 02, 2016, 09:19:22 AM
Quote from: the snake on August 31, 2016, 03:44:43 AM
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Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on August 30, 2016, 10:19:08 PM
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Quote from: Xen on August 30, 2016, 10:15:03 PM
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Ti Thunder hangers (light) + team plate (height) + Krux kingpin (clearance and weight offset of stock teams with solid king) + Indy 88a conicals w/ a flat bottom washer = a stellar combo (lots effort and $$ to get there tho).
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Fuck man :o I think you should see a doctor or something
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don't forget to check your pivot cups, dude !
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Khiro small softs mang!


soft ? huh
had a bad experience with soft pivot cups(not khiro), trucks turning like shit, and finally got a hole in each after one session
bought some indy aftermarkets and they are way better than stock ones, as the bushings...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: planman on September 02, 2016, 10:42:44 AM
Are Indy Stage 10 baseplates lower than Stage 11s? I know the Stage 10 height standard was 53.5 but idunno if the extra height is in the baseplate or the hanger.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on September 02, 2016, 10:55:29 AM
Quote from: planman on September 02, 2016, 10:42:44 AM
Are Indy Stage 10 baseplates lower than Stage 11s? I know the Stage 10 height standard was 53.5 but idunno if the extra height is in the baseplate or the hanger.

It's the hangar, stage 11 weren't anything but an extension to the pivot stem
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on September 06, 2016, 03:44:06 PM
(https://scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/14145599_180297205728945_1041897061_n.jpg)

my bullshit/cruiser Indy's cracked all the way through on both sides... should i worry about switching them out since it's it not my main board?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bluntstofakie on September 06, 2016, 04:12:53 PM
Quote from: TwisT on September 06, 2016, 03:44:06 PM
(https://scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/14145599_180297205728945_1041897061_n.jpg)

my bullshit/cruiser Indy's cracked all the way through on both sides... should i worry about switching them out since it's it not my main board?
I wouldn't skate a truck cracked that bad. If you send it to nhs they'll hook you up with a new set.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on September 06, 2016, 04:56:00 PM
Even on a crusier/bullshit board, if that thing snaps.. you're gonna have a bad time, you know?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: McJagger on September 12, 2016, 06:23:07 PM
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(https://scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/14145599_180297205728945_1041897061_n.jpg)

my bullshit/cruiser Indy's cracked all the way through on both sides... should i worry about switching them out since it's it not my main board?
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I wouldn't skate a truck cracked that bad. If you send it to nhs they'll hook you up with a new set.

have a great session with the remaining 3 minutes those trucks have
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on September 12, 2016, 07:57:43 PM
Quote from: Mongoloid on September 01, 2016, 02:35:00 PM
Giving the Ace 03 a second chance this weekend, but this time they are entirely bastardized.

I purchased Magnesium baseplates, and 95a Doh Doh's that I had to sand down to fit the Ace bushing size. I'll report back with my findings after proper demoing.

*also Khiro small pivot cups, as any company using hard plastic cups (minilogo) is doing it wrong*

Ok.. So I have a couple sessions under my belt with my modified Ace 03's, and I gotta say for the first time since I started skating again I think I've found my ideal truck setup.

It isn't exactly cheap all things considered, but it's what works for me. I feel a comfort level much akin to what I felt riding Krux exclusively in my younger years skating. Really digging the setup!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 12, 2016, 10:46:44 PM
Quote from: Mongoloid on September 12, 2016, 07:57:43 PM
Quote from: Mongoloid on September 01, 2016, 02:35:00 PM
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Giving the Ace 03 a second chance this weekend, but this time they are entirely bastardized.

I purchased Magnesium baseplates, and 95a Doh Doh's that I had to sand down to fit the Ace bushing size. I'll report back with my findings after proper demoing.

*also Khiro small pivot cups, as any company using hard plastic cups (minilogo) is doing it wrong*
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Ok.. So I have a couple sessions under my belt with my modified Ace 03's, and I gotta say for the first time since I started skating again I think I've found my ideal truck setup.

It isn't exactly cheap all things considered, but it's what works for me. I feel a comfort level much akin to what I felt riding Krux exclusively in my younger years skating. Really digging the setup!

Once you get ACE's dialed in it's fucking hard to go back to anything else... Thunders feel like they just tilt, indys feel unstable (of all things!)...don't get to used to those mag plates...stock up if you can find more, I wish I had picked up a number of sets back then...

I skated a pair of 03s years ago, skated them finger tight (then just a 1/4 wrech turn) with bones HARD bushings...totally odd setup but loved'em.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 13, 2016, 12:14:05 PM
I'm always perplexed how people compare Ace's to thunders......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on September 13, 2016, 12:33:08 PM
The timing on Ace and Thunder is very different on the 'pop. ' Both great trucks but probably suit different people.

Thunder=Stable but initiate turns super quick. Very responsive. Pop feels a bit delayed, even though they are lower, could be due to kingpin angle...
Indy=get a little out of control at speed. Slower but deeper turn.
Ace=Quick but also deep turn. Respond great at slower speeds and seem to get more stable at speed. Ace and Indy seem to react to ollies in the same way... Might be a bit quicker with Ace as they sit lower.

I rotate between all these trucks and it probably doesn't help my skateboarding.


This is completely subjective and I'm procrastinating a data project at work, so take it a grain of salt....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 13, 2016, 01:40:02 PM
Aces shrink your wheel base....thunders extend them.....Totally different trucks....I think in the spectrum of popular trucks excluding lows and hi's: ACE, Indy, thunder, venture......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on September 14, 2016, 02:31:51 AM
indy 149 with indy aftermarket black cilinder bushings is the truth, noble experiment was right ! I tried some that i broken in previously on my chill set up, perfect for me, nuts on flush haha
blue ones should be great on 139's
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on September 15, 2016, 09:06:18 PM
So I've been curious about trying out some Ventures lately. From what I've heard they seem pretty similar to Thunders, but I'm wondering if there's any major differences between the two other than how fast they turn? I'm mainly curious about the timing on ollies and how much contact the wheels make during nose/tailslides. Those are my only issues with Thunder. I recently went back to Ace and I personally love them, but I've also been wanting to get another setup going for when I'm feeling something different. I'd also be getting the 5.8's if that makes any difference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 15, 2016, 11:36:05 PM
Quote from: GOATMOON on September 15, 2016, 09:06:18 PM
So I've been curious about trying out some Ventures lately. From what I've heard they seem pretty similar to Thunders, but I'm wondering if there's any major differences between the two other than how fast they turn? I'm mainly curious about the timing on ollies and how much contact the wheels make during nose/tailslides. Those are my only issues with Thunder. I recently went back to Ace and I personally love them, but I've also been wanting to get another setup going for when I'm feeling something different. I'd also be getting the 5.8's if that makes any difference.
Definitely not similar, more like exact opposite side of spectrum. They're the same quality metal but they turn less because they are really stable. They do have a lot of clearance and someone has said they help flip better. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 16, 2016, 12:48:38 AM
Quote from: GOATMOON on September 15, 2016, 09:06:18 PM
So I've been curious about trying out some Ventures lately. From what I've heard they seem pretty similar to Thunders, but I'm wondering if there's any major differences between the two other than how fast they turn? I'm mainly curious about the timing on ollies and how much contact the wheels make during nose/tailslides. Those are my only issues with Thunder. I recently went back to Ace and I personally love them, but I've also been wanting to get another setup going for when I'm feeling something different. I'd also be getting the 5.8's if that makes any difference.

They're a tiny bit taller than thunders, don't turn as quick, and the baseplate sticks out beyond the wheels so if you were worried about wheel contact on slides it would be less I guess... The hangar is pretty much directly over the holes. The stock bushings are kind of shitty, but indy's fit perfectly so you have options.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on September 16, 2016, 02:27:47 AM
I agree with dwarf

Ventures turn kinda slow and idk about anyone else but my venture lo were too grounded feeling , sorta like a water logged deck kinda feeling. But that's just me.

Thunder hi are truly a good mid truck to me, they're quick on the turn and response and give this nice pop but the only problem is that they lack a nice surfy deep turn. I have to ride without bottom washers to almost get it that way.

Dang you guys are getting me interested in aces, I know I can't ride tall trucks well so Ima try to cop some 03 too
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on September 16, 2016, 09:29:08 AM
If aces used a harder aluminum for the hangers and tightened up quality control they'd be pretty class.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on September 16, 2016, 09:43:25 AM
Venture Highs have the highest axle, period. I really like the way they turn but you definitely have a longer distance for your tail to travel before it hits the ground. I feel like they suck for flip tricks but then again, I suck at flip tricks so it could be that, or riding bigger wheels, who knows.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 17, 2016, 11:23:14 PM
I was taking apart all my set ups today...switching out the bearings and I noticed how the washers varied......the ones I think that work the best are as small as possible so they just fit on the axel....but they are also thick so they give clearance from the nut to the race.....

Do different companies make washers?  I remember the frog washers which were convex...idea was less contact between the nut and bearing....

Nerdy stuff.....fall setting in...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 256 Ply on September 18, 2016, 12:46:21 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 17, 2016, 11:23:14 PM
I was taking apart all my set ups today...switching out the bearings and I noticed how the washers varied......the ones I think that work the best are as small as possible so they just fit on the axel....but they are also thick so they give clearance from the nut to the race.....

Do different companies make washers?  I remember the frog washers which were convex...idea was less contact between the nut and bearing....

Nerdy stuff.....fall setting in...

I had a guy voraciously debate whether the rounded side or the flat side of the speed washer was was supposed to contact the bearing race...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on September 18, 2016, 10:16:42 AM
No one answered me in the Ace thread, anyone have feedback on hard vs soft Khiro pivot cups in Ace's? I'm 220lbs so I'm not sure if softs will wear out as quickly as Ace stocks, or if the hards will last longer but restrict the turning.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on September 18, 2016, 11:06:25 AM
go medium !
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on September 18, 2016, 01:00:28 PM
Quote from: the snake on September 18, 2016, 11:06:25 AM
go medium !

Khiro's come in soft or hard pivot cups. Not mediums.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 18, 2016, 01:14:59 PM
Been hyped on footage from guys on Venture so I set mine up again. Slapped some of the conical orange indy bushings.
Can't seem to form tre flips in them (switching from thunders) anyone else have this problem too?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: vancanman on September 18, 2016, 05:16:12 PM
As said before. Thunders move the axle out towards the nose and tail making u have to push down farther to pop your board. It's not as big a difference as it could be because the trucks are lower. 52.8mm vs 55mm for indys at the axle. Ventures aren't the highest. The tallest ones are 53.5. The same height as the stage 10 indys or the forged baseplate stage 11s. I had a set of standard Indy 149's with stock bushings with no baseplate washer that I've skated for almost a year with no complaints other than replacing three sets of pivot cups and a few sets of bushings. I needed new trucks and usually buy 8.62-8.75 boards so I just got a set of thunder 151's to move up in size and try something new. So far so good. Pops different and I get a little more wheel bite but overall I like them.  

Edit. I just measured the wheel base axle to axle on two identical boards, one with indys .One with thunders. The thunders stretch the wheel base by over three quarters of an inch or 20mm. Didn't realize it was that big a difference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on September 18, 2016, 05:35:31 PM
i started riding thunders in 2010 and they work perfect for me. the 147 hi's. i recently went back to indy hi's and couldn't get used to em so i just got a set of thunders again. threw the aftermarket 92 duro's in em. perfect

(http://i65.tinypic.com/2vtwqhi.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on September 18, 2016, 07:56:59 PM
Quote from: Main on September 18, 2016, 01:00:28 PM
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go medium !
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Khiro's come in soft or hard pivot cups. Not mediums.
i know dude, was just kidding
i'd say go hard, cause i had bad experience with soft (non khiro) pivot cups who were blown away after one sesh, and trucks didn't turn well with these soft shit...hard will feel more solid and precise, even ik you have to break them at first 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on September 18, 2016, 10:44:32 PM
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go medium !
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Khiro's come in soft or hard pivot cups. Not mediums.
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i know dude, was just kidding
i'd say go hard, cause i had bad experience with soft (non khiro) pivot cups who were blown away after one sesh, and trucks didn't turn well with these soft shit...hard will feel more solid and precise, even ik you have to break them at first 

Haha, gotcha. Well thanks man, I think I'll just end up gettin' both and experimenting. They're only like $3 a set.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 20, 2016, 01:36:47 PM
I've always used Khiro softs, they just feel right in Indy/ACE, really nice surfy feel. Never tried hards.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on September 20, 2016, 01:45:59 PM
Quote from: Xen on September 20, 2016, 01:36:47 PM
I've always used Khiro softs, they just feel right in Indy/ACE, really nice surfy feel. Never tried hards.

Are they squeaky?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 20, 2016, 07:15:51 PM
Quote from: Main on September 20, 2016, 01:45:59 PM
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I've always used Khiro softs, they just feel right in Indy/ACE, really nice surfy feel. Never tried hards.
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Are they squeaky?

Not at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on September 20, 2016, 07:27:13 PM
I haven't noticed any sort of squeek from the soft pivot cups personally. Only sounds I've ever really noticed on any of my truck setups were riding bones bushings, and they would make a strange clicking sound.

I'd be hesitant to give hard pivot cups a try just on the basis that once they wear out they don't have any rebound. So you essentially will have your pivot sitting in a chasm. Most "hard" pivot cups are just plastic really (at least in my recent experience).



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on September 20, 2016, 08:39:59 PM
Doesn't Khiro small pivots still kinda stick out and not fit properly though?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on September 21, 2016, 04:56:50 PM
Quote from: Main on September 20, 2016, 08:39:59 PM
Doesn't Khiro small pivots still kinda stick out and not fit properly though?

Nah, they fit like stock pivot cups honestly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on September 21, 2016, 05:27:09 PM
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Doesn't Khiro small pivots still kinda stick out and not fit properly though?
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Nah, they fit like stock pivot cups honestly.

(https://m.popkey.co/40380a/R44xG_s-200x150.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 21, 2016, 07:38:12 PM
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Doesn't Khiro small pivots still kinda stick out and not fit properly though?
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Nah, they fit like stock pivot cups honestly.
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(https://m.popkey.co/40380a/R44xG_s-200x150.gif)
How much extra bullshit do you need to add to aces to actually dial them in?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on September 21, 2016, 07:52:03 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 21, 2016, 07:38:12 PM
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Doesn't Khiro small pivots still kinda stick out and not fit properly though?
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Nah, they fit like stock pivot cups honestly.
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How much extra bullshit do you need to add to aces to actually dial them in?
The key to getting aces perfect is throwing them in the dumpster then buying Indys. Then you'll be set.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on September 21, 2016, 09:31:57 PM
Taking out stock bushings and putting in aftermarkets isn't hard. Pivots aren't either if you have needle nose pliers. Indy's are still great trucks, Ace just perform better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jake From State Farm on September 21, 2016, 09:34:02 PM
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Doesn't Khiro small pivots still kinda stick out and not fit properly though?
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Nah, they fit like stock pivot cups honestly.
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(https://m.popkey.co/40380a/R44xG_s-200x150.gif)
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How much extra bullshit do you need to add to aces to actually dial them in?

This is a good question. I'm still using that set I bought from you a while back. The bushings are too hard and they take extra effort to turn. Also the axles bent slightly. I've lightly sanded the bushings and they feel a bit looser. They're close to the axle though, not much more of this bullshit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on September 21, 2016, 10:37:18 PM
So every so often I try a different truck brand but I always end up switching back to Indys. Anyway, I've been using bones medium bushings for the last 5 years AT LEAST but and have always used top washer only.

However, I have been told that by not using a bottom washer with the bones it fucks with the geometry of the truck?


So... for Indy highs with bones bushings, would you recommend top washer only or top and bottom washer?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 21, 2016, 10:51:25 PM
Everyone's gonna tell you not to use bones bushings,,...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on September 21, 2016, 10:52:38 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on September 21, 2016, 10:37:18 PM
So every so often I try a different truck brand but I always end up switching back to Indys. Anyway, I've been using bones medium bushings for the last 5 years AT LEAST but and have always used top washer only.

However, I have been told that by not using a bottom washer with the bones it fucks with the geometry of the truck?


So... for Indy highs with bones bushings, would you recommend top washer only or top and bottom washer?

Bones in Indy Hi's should be used without a bottom washer. The bushings sit too tall if you put a washer under it. Top washer is good if you wanna preserve the bushing longer but you don't even need to use a top one either.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on September 21, 2016, 11:34:41 PM
Quote from: Main on September 21, 2016, 10:52:38 PM
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So every so often I try a different truck brand but I always end up switching back to Indys. Anyway, I've been using bones medium bushings for the last 5 years AT LEAST but and have always used top washer only.

However, I have been told that by not using a bottom washer with the bones it fucks with the geometry of the truck?


So... for Indy highs with bones bushings, would you recommend top washer only or top and bottom washer?
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Bones in Indy Hi's should be used without a bottom washer. The bushings sit too tall if you put a washer under it. Top washer is good if you wanna preserve the bushing longer but you don't even need to use a top one either.

Thanks man. I'll just keep rocking the top washer only!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Andmoreagain on September 22, 2016, 07:31:40 AM
Idk what everyone is on about Aces. My stock Aces performed way better than my Indies w/bones med. right out of the box. Also, they appear bent because of the construction, but they aren't.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on September 22, 2016, 08:02:30 AM
Once I held 3 different pairs of brand new ace trucks in my had that all had the same size axles but slightly different sized hangers, I was done with them for good. 

Not to mention you have to switch out everything on the truck except the metal to get them skate decent.  Once you do that, the kingpins will fall out in a few weeks.  No thanks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on September 22, 2016, 08:35:50 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on September 22, 2016, 08:02:30 AM
Once I held 3 different pairs of brand new ace trucks in my had that all had the same size axles but slightly different sized hangers, I was done with them for good.  

Not to mention you have to switch out everything on the truck except the metal to get them skate decent.  Once you do that, the kingpins will fall out in a few weeks.  No thanks

That's the only concern I really have. I'm not exactly doing high impact skating, but I still worry about this as I'm quite heavy on the board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on September 22, 2016, 11:44:21 AM
Aha dang, nvm on the Aces then.

After 3 weeks of the theeve tiax standard hi I stepped back to the good ole thunder 147hi and I definitely prefer trucks 47-51mm height, the quickness of the tail hitting the ground is just more my style.

Has anyone tried Destructo D2's ?? I really want a set but there's not much feedback anywhere on them. I feel like they're supposed to be a thunder hi copy cat with its height and conical bushing style

Just bought a set of tensors lo though to try and can't wait to skate them when I'm free from work, right off the bat I noticed the build quality was nice until throwing the wheels on one of the axles and noticing they didn't finish the threads right and I had to rethread it to fine the threads so the nut can actual be tightened  >:(

I was appreciating the quality out the box til that but luckily it was just one end of one of the axles, the bushings feel really responsive so far, like thunder bushings but softer and rebound to center quicker but they're soft to where if they're kinda loose they can wheel bite so probably a con of the 2 pros

We'll see how tensors really hold up now, last time I had a set of tensors they helped my flip tricks crazy but the build was trash. My axle scraped against something and the nut flew right off and my wheel and the axle was all messed up and I saw why they got such a bad rep but it was the R2 times, now we got the tens
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on September 22, 2016, 12:01:32 PM
I've never had a single problem with the set of aces I have. The stock bushings take a bit to break in but once they do they are solid. I also don't skate super tough and basically only skate tranny though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heritage on September 24, 2016, 09:51:24 AM
Really random question for geometry heads...I've been skating Khiro conical for the past few years but recently switched to Khiro low profile. The bottom bushing is the same size as normal conical but the top bushing is a little bit shorter.  Anyway, my question is...would that shorter top bushing effectively make my trucks sit lower?

My board doesn't feel any lower but those low profile bushings get my trucks super loose which I like.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 24, 2016, 10:36:08 AM
Quote from: heritage on September 24, 2016, 09:51:24 AM
Really random question for geometry heads...I've been skating Khiro conical for the past few years but recently switched to Khiro low profile. The bottom bushing is the same size as normal conical but the top bushing is a little bit shorter.  Anyway, my question is...would that shorter top bushing effectively make my trucks sit lower?

My board doesn't feel any lower but those low profile bushings get my trucks super loose which I like.

Nah, the bottom or 'boardside' bushing is what the hanger sits on in relation to the baseplate, that's what affects the geo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Julz on September 24, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
Evolution Of My Ride: Danny Dicola - TransWorld SKATEboarding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm4V7n6BXHY#)


Has this ever been posted on here ? Kinda old video, but I think it's pretty rad to see all the effort he puts into making his own unique sets of indys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on September 24, 2016, 08:38:56 PM
Too much work when you can just buy Ace 44's, they have almost as identical looking hanger as a 215. But he's sponsored by Indy so I guess that's what he's gotta do.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Julz on September 25, 2016, 01:11:33 PM
Quote from: Main on September 24, 2016, 08:38:56 PM
Too much work when you can just buy Ace 44's, they have almost as identical looking hanger as a 215. But he's sponsored by Indy so I guess that's what he's gotta do.

The look of ace, with the perfomance of indy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 20matar on September 25, 2016, 05:23:11 PM
This is the furthest of cries, but does anyone have any experience with Crail trucks? My bushings are smashed and I'd like to have new, hard ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on September 25, 2016, 05:43:26 PM
Quote from: 20matar on September 25, 2016, 05:23:11 PM
This is the furthest of cries, but does anyone have any experience with Crail trucks? My bushings are smashed and I'd like to have new, hard ones.

I had some, like 6/7 years ago i think. They were fine actually. They had the best packaging i've seen in any brand of trucks, with a cool box, and free thin risers that i used for years. The bushings were good too, "moog" if i remember. Try some indy aftermarket ones (black or blue ones), they must fit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on September 25, 2016, 08:50:47 PM
The red 90a aftermarket Thunder bushings on my 149s were basically dust. Put in a set of orange 90a Indy aftermarket bushings, the dimensions seemed close enough. Didn't feel like I needed to break them in at all, skated super natural right away. The turn feels a little less 'sporty,' or however most people describe the way Thunders turn. Makes it feels a little bit closer to the way Indys turn, but you're definitely still skating Thunders. I like it a lot so far.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on September 26, 2016, 07:32:01 AM
I know myself and others have tried the "wobbly" loose with Ace's, but has anyone tried skating extremely loose with Indy's and had good success? I'm curious if a Krux top bushing would be shorter than an Indy stock and allow it to have a good wobble.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JAesop on September 26, 2016, 07:56:56 AM
My last set on Indy's were Indy highs and I ran them with aftermarket Indy low conical bushings. They were loose enough that they wobbled when you picked up the board. Best set up combo I ever had on Indy's. Loved it but...
I am now skating Krux with the downlow kingpin and everything else stock and they turn deeper and more " surfy" than the Indy's ever did. Better turn back to center and smoother turn. I actually get wheel bite with these because they go so deep. The Indy's feel more linear if that makes sense, jerky and more side to side.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/1qh99x.jpg)

Plus, lighter and look at the kingpin clearance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 20matar on September 26, 2016, 08:01:52 AM
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This is the furthest of cries, but does anyone have any experience with Crail trucks? My bushings are smashed and I'd like to have new, hard ones.
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I had some, like 6/7 years ago i think. They were fine actually. They had the best packaging i've seen in any brand of trucks, with a cool box, and free thin risers that i used for years. The bushings were good too, "moog" if i remember. Try some indy aftermarket ones (black or blue ones), they must fit.

They are Moog indeed. I didn't get a fancy box when I bought the trucks... they came with the little thin risers, though. I'll try the Indy bushings if I can get them for a nice price, thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on September 26, 2016, 09:55:33 AM
Thanks JAesop, I didn't even think to do that. I'll keep the bottom Indy bushing a "hi" one so to keep the stock geometry, but I'll put a low bushing as the top one for extra room.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on September 26, 2016, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 21, 2016, 07:38:12 PM
How much extra bullshit do you need to add to aces to actually dial them in?
or any truck for that matter. Still longing for those indy stage 7 days...
seriously though, I wonder how much of this is pure slap OCD/ nerdery?
I'm about to drop some $ on some ace 33s and I plan on keeping them stock af, on a scale of 1-10 how well will they ride?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on September 26, 2016, 09:52:00 PM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on September 26, 2016, 09:40:47 PM
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How much extra bullshit do you need to add to aces to actually dial them in?
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or any truck for that matter. Still longing for those indy stage 7 days...
seriously though, I wonder how much of this is pure slap OCD/ nerdery?
I'm about to drop some $ on some ace 33s and I plan on keeping them stock af, on a scale of 1-10 how well will they ride?

Very little of it! I nerd out because I can tell the difference between small details. Some people just don't care about things like geometry/bushings/etc.. I don't understand it, but there's great skaters on both sides of the coin.

It annoys me when people act like they don't care what they use on their set up "i just throw whatever on there man, wheels are wheels" BULLSHIT

I'm talking to you Ellington!!! Cool ass not giving a fuck son of a bitch!!


Oh and I've been on 44's, still stock. I would guess the 33's would feel like an 8/10 maybe.. If you got a good pair, and if they match your temperaments. The only real issues seem to be metal softness, and the squishy parts. The truck shape itself is pretty dialled.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 26, 2016, 10:33:41 PM
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How much extra bullshit do you need to add to aces to actually dial them in?
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or any truck for that matter. Still longing for those indy stage 7 days...
seriously though, I wonder how much of this is pure slap OCD/ nerdery?
I'm about to drop some $ on some ace 33s and I plan on keeping them stock af, on a scale of 1-10 how well will they ride?
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Very little of it! I nerd out because I can tell the difference between small details. Some people just don't care about things like geometry/bushings/etc.. I don't understand it, but there's great skaters on both sides of the coin.

Oh and I've been on 44's, still stock. I would guess the 33's would feel like an 8/10 maybe.. If you got a good pair, and if they match your temperaments. The only real issues seem to be metal softness, and the squishy parts. The truck shape itself is pretty dialed.
Isn't there a holy trinity of parts, or at least a super tech set up a Slapper posted?

Ace Magnesium Base Plates
Krux Kingpin
Thunder or Indy Hangar (I could be off)
Khiro Racers

You guys surprise me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 26, 2016, 10:43:02 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on September 26, 2016, 10:33:41 PM
Quote from: Zimmer on September 26, 2016, 09:52:00 PM
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Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on September 26, 2016, 09:40:47 PM
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Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 21, 2016, 07:38:12 PM
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How much extra bullshit do you need to add to aces to actually dial them in?
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or any truck for that matter. Still longing for those indy stage 7 days...
seriously though, I wonder how much of this is pure slap OCD/ nerdery?
I'm about to drop some $ on some ace 33s and I plan on keeping them stock af, on a scale of 1-10 how well will they ride?
[close]

Very little of it! I nerd out because I can tell the difference between small details. Some people just don't care about things like geometry/bushings/etc.. I don't understand it, but there's great skaters on both sides of the coin.

Oh and I've been on 44's, still stock. I would guess the 33's would feel like an 8/10 maybe.. If you got a good pair, and if they match your temperaments. The only real issues seem to be metal softness, and the squishy parts. The truck shape itself is pretty dialed.
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Isn't there a holy trinity of parts, or at least a super tech set up a Slapper posted?

Ace Magnesium Base Plates
Krux Kingpin
Thunder or Indy Hangar (I could be off)
Khiro Racers

You guys surprise me

Yea i think is was xen who created that abomination. I just know from personal experience that obsessing over gear is a way to shift the blame away from your lack of talent as a reason for terrible skateboarding. I've dropped hundreds of dollars on trucks in the last 5 years, fucking with bushings, only to have the same results on each brand or size. Honestly, I sort of blame this place. I never cared before.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 27, 2016, 12:43:32 AM
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How much extra bullshit do you need to add to aces to actually dial them in?
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or any truck for that matter. Still longing for those indy stage 7 days...
seriously though, I wonder how much of this is pure slap OCD/ nerdery?
I'm about to drop some $ on some ace 33s and I plan on keeping them stock af, on a scale of 1-10 how well will they ride?
[close]

Very little of it! I nerd out because I can tell the difference between small details. Some people just don't care about things like geometry/bushings/etc.. I don't understand it, but there's great skaters on both sides of the coin.

Oh and I've been on 44's, still stock. I would guess the 33's would feel like an 8/10 maybe.. If you got a good pair, and if they match your temperaments. The only real issues seem to be metal softness, and the squishy parts. The truck shape itself is pretty dialed.
[close]
Isn't there a holy trinity of parts, or at least a super tech set up a Slapper posted?

Ace Magnesium Base Plates
Krux Kingpin
Thunder or Indy Hangar (I could be off)
Khiro Racers

You guys surprise me
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Yea i think is was xen who created that abomination. I just know from personal experience that obsessing over gear is a way to shift the blame away from your lack of talent as a reason for terrible skateboarding. I've dropped hundreds of dollars on trucks in the last 5 years, fucking with bushings, only to have the same results on each brand or size. Honestly, I sort of blame this place. I never cared before.
Yeah, I kinda hate/love Slap for this. I geek out at hardware and at least I know now to stray away from specific brands but, I get the itch to try out new brands
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on September 27, 2016, 12:51:52 AM
I'm fully aware that I suck. But I can still tell a huge difference when using quality bushings vs. shitty stock ones. I can also tell the difference between turns with different truck companies. It's not making excuses, it's being in tune with what you're riding.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 27, 2016, 07:32:06 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 26, 2016, 10:43:02 PM
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How much extra bullshit do you need to add to aces to actually dial them in?
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or any truck for that matter. Still longing for those indy stage 7 days...
seriously though, I wonder how much of this is pure slap OCD/ nerdery?
I'm about to drop some $ on some ace 33s and I plan on keeping them stock af, on a scale of 1-10 how well will they ride?
[close]

Very little of it! I nerd out because I can tell the difference between small details. Some people just don't care about things like geometry/bushings/etc.. I don't understand it, but there's great skaters on both sides of the coin.

Oh and I've been on 44's, still stock. I would guess the 33's would feel like an 8/10 maybe.. If you got a good pair, and if they match your temperaments. The only real issues seem to be metal softness, and the squishy parts. The truck shape itself is pretty dialed.
[close]
Isn't there a holy trinity of parts, or at least a super tech set up a Slapper posted?

Ace Magnesium Base Plates
Krux Kingpin
Thunder or Indy Hangar (I could be off)
Khiro Racers

You guys surprise me
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Yea i think is was xen who created that abomination. I just know from personal experience that obsessing over gear is a way to shift the blame away from your lack of talent as a reason for terrible skateboarding. I've dropped hundreds of dollars on trucks in the last 5 years, fucking with bushings, only to have the same results on each brand or size. Honestly, I sort of blame this place. I never cared before.


ACE Mag plates, of you can find them, they're light and the only other option than cast (indy and thunder both offer cast and forged)
Krux Kingpin/bushings - low KP clearance and amazing bushings
khiro soft pivot cups as the stock will blow out
ACE hanger (never swapped brand parts except back in the day w/Stage III indy I thunder parts when I was a brokeazz)

I agree that obsessing over gear can be a means of shifting blame, but for me, I try to skate all terrain and sadly there is no best truck for me. Indys can do it it all -  I ride med-loose and they're not as stable at speed compared to thunders, ACEs turn better than everything, especially on tranny but have build issues, Thunders are the best damn street truck, low, light (Ti are sick) great pop, push out the wheel base a tad and feel good enough loose but just don't come close enough to ace or indy on tranny.

If I only skated tranny? ACE (and I'd still use krux pins and bushings; in anything with a cast plate)
If I only skated street? Thunders TI
If I was smart? Indys w/conicals and just get used to them again (which I'm doing right now).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on September 27, 2016, 08:51:15 AM
I've finally given up on the idea that I will become a tranny god now that I'm older and have chosen to stick with Thunders.  I have 149Ti on my regular setup and 149 Team on my cruiser/curb crusher.  Last week, I sold off every other truck I had

They just seem to be the best truck for me.  I don't have to change a single thing on them and they just work.  Perfectly capable in bowls and far superior over everything else on the street.

Now that I'm in my mid 30's the most important thing to me is how a truck pops.  For whatever reason Thunders have the best pop for me.  Could be my timing or foot placement or what ever but I've had exact same setups with Indy and Thunder, skated them back to back in the same session and the Thunder pop was effortless and consistent.  The Indy pop was unpredictable and unstable (for me)



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on September 27, 2016, 08:54:15 AM
I did the exact same thing (including giving up dreams of being a vert god)... except with Indy. 

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on September 27, 2016, 08:57:44 AM
Quote from: art hellman on September 27, 2016, 08:54:15 AM
I did the exact same thing (including giving up dreams of being a vert god)... except with Indy. 



Pretty depressing coming to grips with the reality that I'll never be able to do a 540 McTwist
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on September 27, 2016, 09:04:45 AM
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I did the exact same thing (including giving up dreams of being a vert god)... except with Indy.? 


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Pretty depressing coming to grips with the reality that I'll never be able to do a 540 McTwist

my sights were even lower... I was hoping to be able to stand-up on a 5-0 on something above 4ft.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 27, 2016, 09:15:41 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on September 27, 2016, 08:51:15 AM
I've finally given up on the idea that I will become a tranny god now that I'm older and have chosen to stick with Thunders.� I have 149Ti on my regular setup and 149 Team on my cruiser/curb crusher.� Last week, I sold off every other truck I had

They just seem to be the best truck for me.� I don't have to change a single thing on them and they just work.� Perfectly capable in bowls and far superior over everything else on the street.

Now that I'm in my mid 30's the most important thing to me is how a truck pops.� For whatever reason Thunders have the best pop for me.� Could be my timing or foot placement or what ever but I've had exact same setups with Indy and Thunder, skated them back to back in the same session and the Thunder pop was effortless and consistent.� The Indy pop was unpredictable and unstable (for me)

I'm with you in the Thunder pop, height/stability but how I skate in bowls (and I am by no means a tranny god), which is as fast as I can go, and it's pretty damn fast if I do say so myself, Thunders don't save my ass when I fuck up the line whereas with ace and indy I can carve out of it somehow, also, less wheelbite.

We've chatted about this before, go watch Lockwood rip any bowl a new one on thunders ;)

Taking bets on Thunder-4-Life-BMC ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on September 27, 2016, 01:45:43 PM
I just watched that Danny Dicola video again where he cuts down the 215's. I kinda wanna do this now but don't have the tools or the skills. Anyone know where I could go to get it done? Ace Hardware or Home Depot? I wanna turn them into 149's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bluntstofakie on September 27, 2016, 05:35:19 PM
Quote from: Main on September 27, 2016, 01:45:43 PM
I just watched that Danny Dicola video again where he cuts down the 215's. I kinda wanna do this now but don't have the tools or the skills. Anyone know where I could go to get it done? Ace Hardware or Home Depot? I wanna turn them into 149's.
Evolution Of My Ride: Danny Dicola - TransWorld SKATEboarding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm4V7n6BXHY#)
Such a gnarly process. I've never skated 215s but I want to get some. Just checked the indy website and saw that they're only 53.5mm high. I guess they still run stage 10 geometry?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 27, 2016, 06:05:37 PM
My friends made fun of my curb/cruiser/"pool" board being to tight so I decided to finally swap those Bones Rip-Off bushings my theeves came with for the orange Indy Conical bushings. They make a difference, rode them loose and while it felt nice I tightened them to have a bit more control and avoid wheelbite
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on September 27, 2016, 07:03:50 PM
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I just watched that Danny Dicola video again where he cuts down the 215's. I kinda wanna do this now but don't have the tools or the skills. Anyone know where I could go to get it done? Ace Hardware or Home Depot? I wanna turn them into 149's.
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Such a gnarly process. I've never skated 215s but I want to get some. Just checked the indy website and saw that they're only 53.5mm high. I guess they still run stage 10 geometry?

I think 215s are actually an older stage way before 10.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jordick on September 27, 2016, 07:13:04 PM
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I just watched that Danny Dicola video again where he cuts down the 215's. I kinda wanna do this now but don't have the tools or the skills. Anyone know where I could go to get it done? Ace Hardware or Home Depot? I wanna turn them into 149's.
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Evolution Of My Ride: Danny Dicola - TransWorld SKATEboarding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm4V7n6BXHY#)
Such a gnarly process. I've never skated 215s but I want to get some. Just checked the indy website and saw that they're only 53.5mm high. I guess they still run stage 10 geometry?
search in your area for a metal/fabrication shop. They'll be able to do it for sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 27, 2016, 07:50:07 PM
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I just watched that Danny Dicola video again where he cuts down the 215's. I kinda wanna do this now but don't have the tools or the skills. Anyone know where I could go to get it done? Ace Hardware or Home Depot? I wanna turn them into 149's.
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Such a gnarly process. I've never skated 215s but I want to get some. Just checked the indy website and saw that they're only 53.5mm high. I guess they still run stage 10 geometry?
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I think 215s are actually an older stage way before 10.
Stage 4?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on September 27, 2016, 08:12:11 PM
Quote from: Jordick on September 27, 2016, 07:13:04 PM
search in your area for a metal/fabrication shop. They'll be able to do it for sure.

Thanks man! Just did, emailed a local company and I'll call a couple more tomorrow. Hoping this isn't going to cost a lot cause if that's the case I won't be able to afford it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jordick on September 27, 2016, 09:53:19 PM
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Thanks man! Just did, emailed a local company and I'll call a couple more tomorrow. Hoping this isn't going to cost a lot cause if that's the case I won't be able to afford it.
no problem. support small business
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 28, 2016, 07:05:44 AM
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I just watched that Danny Dicola video again where he cuts down the 215's. I kinda wanna do this now but don't have the tools or the skills. Anyone know where I could go to get it done? Ace Hardware or Home Depot? I wanna turn them into 149's.
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Such a gnarly process. I've never skated 215s but I want to get some. Just checked the indy website and saw that they're only 53.5mm high. I guess they still run stage 10 geometry?
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I think 215s are actually an older stage way before 10.
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Stage 4?

Yah...I think you're right....before they bulked up...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 28, 2016, 10:19:15 AM
http://independenttrucks.com/stage11faq/ (http://independenttrucks.com/stage11faq/)


What about the 215?

The 215 currently features the older geometry but will be rolled out in 2013 with the updated geometry.

We've gone ahead and updated the name of these to Stage 11 as well as the baseplate stamp to coincide with the entire truck line.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yapple dapple on September 29, 2016, 10:14:34 AM
G'day fellow truck nerds. I got a beast coming any day now in the mail. (10x32) What trucks do you think would work best on a 10in board with 58mm wheels? 8.5 axle too small? Any help much appreciated.

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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jordick on September 29, 2016, 10:52:40 AM
the shape tapers a lot but it looks as if 159's or 169's/ace 55 or 66 could do the trick. Jam some extra washers or "speed rings" on each side of the axles and you could stretch your 149's out a bit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 29, 2016, 10:58:07 AM
I'd probably go with 169s. There will be overhang in the back though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yapple dapple on September 29, 2016, 11:08:07 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 29, 2016, 10:58:07 AM
I'd probably go with 169s. There will be overhang in the back though.
Can't hang with overhang. I also have to take into consideration with what I'd do with the trucks after this board. Don't think I would use 169s ever again. I been hearing mixed reviews with ace's and never rode a pair. Any one got stage 10s 159 for sale or know where I could find them? I didn't like my stage 11s so I sold em.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on September 29, 2016, 11:17:52 AM
Either Indy 159's or Ace 55's. Stage 10's will be hard to find, the kingpin sat high and they didn't turn for shit anyways. If you go with Ace, throw some Krux bushings in 'em you'll have the best turning truck on the market.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 29, 2016, 12:55:59 PM
Venture hi's 8.5 is the correct answer.....
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Post by: yapple dapple on September 29, 2016, 01:07:32 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 29, 2016, 12:55:59 PM
Venture hi's 8.5 is the correct answer.....
I think your right, these are what I had on my last cruiser that got stolen. Really dug those trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on September 29, 2016, 05:10:18 PM
awesome deck!
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Post by: j....soy..... on September 29, 2016, 06:24:49 PM
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I think your right, these are what I had on my last cruiser that got stolen. Really dug those trucks.

It just would look right....the conge would want it that way...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: calvinsdream on October 04, 2016, 09:57:47 PM
I just set up my cruiser with the indy aftermarket super soft cylinders. I thought I would blow them out instantly at 200lbs but they're super surfy and fun. Matched the bushing and wheel at 78a durometer and it feels like heaven, especially on manuals.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on October 04, 2016, 10:53:51 PM
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I just set up my cruiser with the indy aftermarket super soft cylinders. I thought I would blow them out instantly at 200lbs but they're super surfy and fun. Matched the bushing and wheel at 78a durometer and it feels like heaven, especially on manuals.

I need soft wheels in my life. My feet hurt.

Are you using clouds? OJ's?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on October 05, 2016, 04:29:07 AM
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I just set up my cruiser with the indy aftermarket super soft cylinders. I thought I would blow them out instantly at 200lbs but they're super surfy and fun. Matched the bushing and wheel at 78a durometer and it feels like heaven, especially on manuals.
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I need soft wheels in my life. My feet hurt.

Are you using clouds? OJ's?

Do yourself a favor and get the clouds. I fucked around with some different ones before finding the 54 clouds. The 54's are kinda as fast as the 57's anyway but light enough for when you wanna get tricky with it. So perfect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: calvinsdream on October 05, 2016, 08:18:10 AM
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I just set up my cruiser with the indy aftermarket super soft cylinders. I thought I would blow them out instantly at 200lbs but they're super surfy and fun. Matched the bushing and wheel at 78a durometer and it feels like heaven, especially on manuals.
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I need soft wheels in my life. My feet hurt.

Are you using clouds? OJ's?

OJ hot juice 55mm. Small yet grippy and fast, plus feel like butter over this fucked texas asphalt.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on October 05, 2016, 12:13:19 PM
I think I'll give the 86a 54mm clouds a try, they seem just right..

I still love riding rocks, but my poor busted joints need a break now and then.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 05, 2016, 09:14:41 PM
I've been feeling like truck brand marketing is turning me off from the big 3. I love(ed) ventures for a long time and then they turned in to some hip hop truck company that is pretty off putting. The indy rtbftr bro thing makes me not want to skate them regardless of how well they turn. Thunders, whatever.

I just bought some Royals, wish me luck. They're really not as low as what tactics lists them at. geometry looks similar to indy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 05, 2016, 11:52:23 PM
I've never skated the same type and size of truck back to back. One of the many ways my add manifests itself. Venture trucks are a much higher quality than people give them credit for. They also push the axles out, extending the wheelbase, which to me is helpful as I am enjoying skating shorter boards but like the stability of a longer board. Short legs. Currently on thunders, and they are cool, nothing is the best at everything. Probably pop the best off of Indys, and if I had to pick one forever they might be it, by I always feel like I could do better. I also don't like how homogenized set ups can get, and so I try and support the other guys here and there. I really can't do Indy 149s, the 139s are great. Indy 139s on a board up to 8.4 feels good, but thunder 147s feel weird for me past 8.25. Blah blah blah. I suck no matter what. I have almost always tried to skate decks with the trucks that the pro who skates said deck skate. Whatever. Interested to hear about the royals. Had several pairs and really enjoyed them. The lows back in 2000 where awesome. Skating not at skateparks in the Pacific Northwest with lows sucks tho, cuz you are on 50s and going nowhere fast. The Royal IV's that I had were great for my flip floppity attempts, needed to be loose tho. This post is horrible
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on October 06, 2016, 06:44:42 AM
Quote from: Ok on October 05, 2016, 11:52:23 PM
I've never skated the same type and size of truck back to back. One of the many ways my add manifests itself. Venture trucks are a much higher quality than people give them credit for. They also push the axles out, extending the wheelbase, which to me is helpful as I am enjoying skating shorter boards but like the stability of a longer board. Short legs. Currently on thunders, and they are cool, nothing is the best at everything. Probably pop the best off of Indys, and if I had to pick one forever they might be it, by I always feel like I could do better. I also don't like how homogenized set ups can get, and so I try and support the other guys here and there. I really can't do Indy 149s, the 139s are great. Indy 139s on a board up to 8.4 feels good, but thunder 147s feel weird for me past 8.25. Blah blah blah. I suck no matter what. I have almost always tried to skate decks with the trucks that the pro who skates said deck skate. Whatever. Interested to hear about the royals. Had several pairs and really enjoyed them. The lows back in 2000 where awesome. Skating not at skateparks in the Pacific Northwest with lows sucks tho, cuz you are on 50s and going nowhere fast. The Royal IV's that I had were great for my flip floppity attempts, needed to be loose tho. This post is horrible

All of these comments make you fully qualified to post with us in this thread of unraveling insanity
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on October 07, 2016, 12:54:09 AM
^ I've been skating last two winters those fury evo 2's on my indoor setup, mainly because of that 8.25" axle. Metal on those seems to be little bit softer than indys as they dont grind aswell and wear down much quicker. They turn ok to my opinion,really close to indys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on October 07, 2016, 06:35:13 AM
Fury's are not bad. they had this collab with sweet skateboards some years ago and lots of people here bought them. My friend had a pair and they felt decent, he just rides tight trucks and the bushings were kinda fucked so I couldnt feel them right, but they felt better then silver, tensor, etc... The built quality was better then the Ace's i had at the time. They had a lowcard collab that was mad cool!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 07, 2016, 06:59:11 AM
Fury's were Indy knock offs when designed.....I didn't mind them.....they aren't actually furry though....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JAesop on October 07, 2016, 07:37:41 AM
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2nktf85.jpg)  

So this happened yesterday. Frontside nose slide to pivot cup pop out.

Kind of a bitch to fix because I had to loosen the downlow kingpin to get it back in and then I was paranoid it wasn't in the locknut under the baseplate so I took the whole truck off to check...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on October 07, 2016, 08:43:33 AM
^ That's a weird one.  I've seen that happen when people use Bones bushings because it changes the angle of the pivot but not with stock bushings.  Hopefully it was just a fluke
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JAesop on October 07, 2016, 10:07:19 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 07, 2016, 08:43:33 AM
^ That's a weird one.  I've seen that happen when people use Bones bushings because it changes the angle of the pivot but not with stock bushings.  Hopefully it was just a fluke

Must of hit it just right. The pivot cup on the front truck was never quite right even when they were new, it looks wider than the back. Anyway, I'll just get a new one. I also skate my trucks really loose so there may be too much hanger up and down slide. I've never had it happen before, but I still love the Krux.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MonistatOne on October 08, 2016, 08:35:48 PM
Quote from: JAesop on October 07, 2016, 10:07:19 AM
The pivot cup on the front truck was never quite right
That's a bummer.  I've noticed that, on almost all pairs of krux ive seen, the top of the pivot cups stick out above the seat for them and I feel like they should be flush.  Also had too much kingpin hangup and just wasn't feeling the pair I had, so I ditched em.

Funny to see people talking about Fury on here, but I might actually give them a try, as I'm desperate for a 8.25 truck that I like, and they don't look half terrible.  If only Indy could make an 8.25.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 08, 2016, 10:56:51 PM
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That's a bummer.  I've noticed that, on almost all pairs of krux ive seen, the top of the pivot cups stick out above the seat for them and I feel like they should be flush.  Also had too much kingpin hangup and just wasn't feeling the pair I had, so I ditched em.

Funny to see people talking about Fury on here, but I might actually give them a try, as I'm desperate for a 8.25 truck that I like, and they don't look half terrible.  If only Indy could make an 8.25.....

Same here, but a mid! I just can't skate 55mm trucks, I feel so tippy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on October 09, 2016, 06:05:31 AM
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Funny to see people talking about Fury on here, but I might actually give them a try, as I'm desperate for a 8.25 truck that I like, and they don't look half terrible.  If only Indy could make an 8.25.....
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Same here, but a mid! I just can't skate 55mm trucks, I feel so tippy.
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The reason I stopped skating Indy. Somewhere around 52-53mm is the sweet spot for me. Something 8.25 and about 53mm tall would be nice. For now I've settled for Ace 44s.


Go for indy's with forget baseplates. I'm with a 139 stage XI koston's in my set-up and I cant think of a better truck out. They just feel awesome to me. After a pair of Ace's 33 is night and day difference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 09, 2016, 11:59:05 PM
hey guys so if any of you remember im the low truck ranting guy, but any who i bought those aluminum tensor low and damn, just these are the possibly worst low trucks on the market. idk how daewon does it maybe the mags are made better besides being magnesium. the turn is very standard non special geometry turn, kinda sloppy. plus the bushings i took out and noticed the rings on the flat surface part of bushings was not even complete on one of the bushings, one bushing had all the usual rebound rings cut right and the other one was missing rings, it only had like 4 while typical bushings have like 10 or so of that rebound rings you see on the flat surface of the bushing that touches the yoke

so to wrap it up, dont buy tensor aluminum lows(or regs), maybe the mags but just stay away from tensor in general i would say, you really pay for what you get, these were $34 for the set and i truly regret it. dreams of skating like daewon crushed

but on to new things i discovered my indy lows are the best low trucks, so i jumped the gun and got some ace 03/ ace lows and boy oh boy when shop employees dont pay attention to current stock

they freaking sent me 1 new version of the 03 thats made with better quality aluminum and build, stiffer bushings, and 2 speed rings per axle and 1 old version of the 03 with 1 speed ring per axle, the softer bushings ace use to have, and a lower quality grade aluminum. how do i know its a lower grade? its the old aluminum that was the cause of old aces breaking and bending easily and when i spun my wheels on both new and old ace truck the bearing spinning against the old ace made this hollow chinging kind of rolling sound while the new ace with the bearing rolling against the axle sounded like a normal solid truck like your goto indys and thunders and good trucks.

idk i emailed them at [email protected], hopefully thats the right email joey put up and they can fix this cause like all you truck maniacs i cannot ride this setup of 1 new ace build and 1 old ace build, plus the soft bushing on 1 side and stiff bushing on the other is too much, you guys understand. you cant just tighten them cause the old ace bushings are so soft theres gonna be a few threads sticking while the new ace bushings require a wind down less than flush

overall though when this is fixed i cannot wait to get rolling on them, cause this might not be relate-able but i have some indy 109 on a zinger and i love the way they have this carvy but slight quick response turn and i think aces are supposed to be based of indy stage 3/4 and 109ś are stage 1 but i feel theyre relatively a similar style of feel and turn for different but close stages/versions

for now i guess its the indy 139 low til joey sends me a new 03, also the new 03 came in a bag that had a label with diamond on it while the old one didnt. i know joey and nick are cousins and work together. but crazy how the guys at the shop couldnt sort that out for me, also these were the last set on stock at the shop thats why im getting at ace isntead of the shop
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 10, 2016, 09:14:20 AM
Jesus Christ Rob.... why would you email the company if the problem was with the shop?

Clamy-they're just sitting here. Probably won't be able to get on them until next weekend.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on October 10, 2016, 09:19:43 AM
Quote from: rob on October 09, 2016, 11:59:05 PM
hey guys so if any of you remember im the low truck ranting guy, but any who i bought those aluminum tensor low and damn, just these are the possibly worst low trucks on the market. idk how daewon does it maybe the mags are made better besides being magnesium. the turn is very standard non special geometry turn, kinda sloppy. plus the bushings i took out and noticed the rings on the flat surface part of bushings was not even complete on one of the bushings, one bushing had all the usual rebound rings cut right and the other one was missing rings, it only had like 4 while typical bushings have like 10 or so of that rebound rings you see on the flat surface of the bushing that touches the yoke

so to wrap it up, dont buy tensor aluminum lows(or regs), maybe the mags but just stay away from tensor in general i would say, you really pay for what you get, these were $34 for the set and i truly regret it. dreams of skating like daewon crushed

but on to new things i discovered my indy lows are the best low trucks, so i jumped the gun and got some ace 03/ ace lows and boy oh boy when shop employees dont pay attention to current stock

they freaking sent me 1 new version of the 03 thats made with better quality aluminum and build, stiffer bushings, and 2 speed rings per axle and 1 old version of the 03 with 1 speed ring per axle, the softer bushings ace use to have, and a lower quality grade aluminum. how do i know its a lower grade? its the old aluminum that was the cause of old aces breaking and bending easily and when i spun my wheels on both new and old ace truck the bearing spinning against the old ace made this hollow chinging kind of rolling sound while the new ace with the bearing rolling against the axle sounded like a normal solid truck like your goto indys and thunders and good trucks.

idk i emailed them at [email protected], hopefully thats the right email joey put up and they can fix this cause like all you truck maniacs i cannot ride this setup of 1 new ace build and 1 old ace build, plus the soft bushing on 1 side and stiff bushing on the other is too much, you guys understand. you cant just tighten them cause the old ace bushings are so soft theres gonna be a few threads sticking while the new ace bushings require a wind down less than flush

overall though when this is fixed i cannot wait to get rolling on them, cause this might not be relate-able but i have some indy 109 on a zinger and i love the way they have this carvy but slight quick response turn and i think aces are supposed to be based of indy stage 3/4 and 109ś are stage 1 but i feel theyre relatively a similar style of feel and turn for different but close stages/versions

for now i guess its the indy 139 low til joey sends me a new 03, also the new 03 came in a bag that had a label with diamond on it while the old one didnt. i know joey and nick are cousins and work together. but crazy how the guys at the shop couldnt sort that out for me, also these were the last set on stock at the shop thats why im getting at ace isntead of the shop

(http://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/a7KZedx_460s.jpg)

I could raise a kid and have him go pro for revive before finishing this bruh
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MonistatOne on October 10, 2016, 09:30:00 AM
royal makes an 8.25 truck? they don't have any axle measurements on their site.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on October 10, 2016, 10:14:00 AM
Uh...yeah rob don't know what the hell you were thinking emailing Joey about a shop sending you two different designs of the same truck. Call the shop you ordered it from and explain the differences between trucks, and they'll send you the right ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on October 10, 2016, 12:01:49 PM
Quote from: Main on October 10, 2016, 10:14:00 AM
Uh...yeah rob don't know what the hell you were thinking emailing Joey about a shop sending you two different designs of the same truck. Call the shop you ordered it from and explain the differences between trucks, and they'll send you the right ones.

This. Just yesterday a guy at a shop gave me 57mm wheels saying they were 54mm. I'm not gonna email spitfire telling them they need to send me new wheels lol. Seriously though rob its not a big deal, I'm not gonna rag on ya.

I'm just gonna keep the wheels, I'm interested in trying them out. Plus they're "grosso's", the shop is 2 hours away, its my fault for not double checking, I can just buy the set I want from the local, etc...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: calvinsdream on October 10, 2016, 01:29:51 PM
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This. Just yesterday a guy at a shop gave me 57mm wheels saying they were 54mm. I'm not gonna email spitfire telling them they need to send me new wheels lol. Seriously though rob its not a big deal, I'm not gonna rag on ya.

I'm just gonna keep the wheels, I'm interested in trying them out. Plus they're "grosso's", the shop is 2 hours away, its my fault for not double checking, I can just buy the set I want from the local, etc...

I really love the 55mm grossos for smaller (<6') transition. Just fast enough without being too large or bulky.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on October 10, 2016, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: Ok on October 05, 2016, 11:52:23 PM
I've never skated the same type and size of truck back to back. One of the many ways my add manifests itself. Venture trucks are a much higher quality than people give them credit for. They also push the axles out, extending the wheelbase, which to me is helpful as I am enjoying skating shorter boards but like the stability of a longer board. Short legs. Currently on thunders, and they are cool, nothing is the best at everything. Probably pop the best off of Indys, and if I had to pick one forever they might be it, by I always feel like I could do better. I also don't like how homogenized set ups can get, and so I try and support the other guys here and there. I really can't do Indy 149s, the 139s are great. Indy 139s on a board up to 8.4 feels good, but thunder 147s feel weird for me past 8.25. Blah blah blah. I suck no matter what. I have almost always tried to skate decks with the trucks that the pro who skates said deck skate. Whatever. Interested to hear about the royals. Had several pairs and really enjoyed them. The lows back in 2000 where awesome. Skating not at skateparks in the Pacific Northwest with lows sucks tho, cuz you are on 50s and going nowhere fast. The Royal IV's that I had were great for my flip floppity attempts, needed to be loose tho. This post is horrible

I used to have mega issues with doing/trying to do/trying not to do... that.
Sometimes I feel weird using certain trucks with certain pros decks.
For example, I had a few Chocolate Gino decks, and I HAD to use Ventures
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on October 11, 2016, 07:45:28 AM
Some of you talking about how Thunders slightly outdo Ace make me curious to try them again. It's been a long time and I don't remember how well they turn/grind. Being a big dude who has to worry about wheelbite, will throwing in some Bones hards do the trick? I'm thinking 149 team raw's and 53-54mm F4's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on October 11, 2016, 09:38:12 AM
Quote from: Main on October 11, 2016, 07:45:28 AM
Some of you talking about how Thunders slightly outdo Ace make me curious to try them again. It's been a long time and I don't remember how well they turn/grind. Being a big dude who has to worry about wheelbite, will throwing in some Bones hards do the trick? I'm thinking 149 team raw's and 53-54mm F4's.

I'd recommend keeping the stock bushings and use risers. I've ridden Thunder 149s and 151s with wheels in 54mm to 58mm range and get wheel bite but never enough to come to a dead stop. Thunders are great but the timing of the turn and 'pop' is way different to Ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 11, 2016, 02:34:41 PM
Yes stop mentioning the two in the same sentence.....just because they appear to be Indy alternatives.....they act differently.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bluntstofakie on October 11, 2016, 03:09:28 PM
Quote from: Main on October 11, 2016, 07:45:28 AM
Some of you talking about how Thunders slightly outdo Ace make me curious to try them again. It's been a long time and I don't remember how well they turn/grind. Being a big dude who has to worry about wheelbite, will throwing in some Bones hards do the trick? I'm thinking 149 team raw's and 53-54mm F4's.
If you're worried about wheelbite I'd stay away from thunders. They turn fast but just feel "shallow" compared to the deeper surfy turn of aces.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on October 11, 2016, 03:59:55 PM
So I'm thinking of getting a wider deck again, something 8.75-9.25. I'm just gonna throw some regular Indy's on, but I don't wanna run huge wheels and risers because it's just way too high off the ground. Yet, I feel like when running a wider board it's kinda standard to do that. Anyone roll with 159 or 169's with like 55-58mm wheels and don't use risers on their Indy's?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: calvinsdream on October 11, 2016, 09:15:36 PM
Quote from: Main on October 11, 2016, 03:59:55 PM
So I'm thinking of getting a wider deck again, something 8.75-9.25. I'm just gonna throw some regular Indy's on, but I don't wanna run huge wheels and risers because it's just way too high off the ground. Yet, I feel like when running a wider board it's kinda standard to do that. Anyone roll with 159 or 169's with like 55-58mm wheels and don't use risers on their Indy's?

Yes. I run 159/169s a and 56 and under are generally safest, I can get away with 57-58s with harder bushings. I have had a fair amount of wheelbite with with 58s and softer bushings, but I'm a bit heavier. 55mm with 169s is nice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 12, 2016, 12:50:04 PM
Thanks to all of the people that post regularly in this thread and the set up thread, hearing others opinions is helpful, and entertaining. BMC, and Clamy, you are correct: I am crazy. These several threads help me to look slightly less crazy at the local shop, as I can read up here, and not ask the shop guys about anything more than width (shop I go to is super rad, they have just watched me mumbling to myself as I measure multiple boards only to stalk out of there with nothing/or everything to no effect on my skating. Thanks again for the info and laughs (fang: I bought ventures for a set up for exactly the same reason awhile back...I had to drive around to some not legit shops and buy some hideous p-rod colorway that I've tried to scrape off...couldn't put the board together with the 'incorrect' truck, embarrassing)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on October 12, 2016, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: Ok on October 12, 2016, 12:50:04 PM
Thanks to all of the people that post regularly in this thread and the set up thread, hearing others opinions is helpful, and entertaining. BMC, and Clamy, you are correct: I am crazy. These several threads help me to look slightly less crazy at the local shop, as I can read up here, and not ask the shop guys about anything more than width (shop I go to is super rad, they have just watched me mumbling to myself as I measure multiple boards only to stalk out of there with nothing/or everything to no effect on my skating. Thanks again for the info and laughs (fang: I bought ventures for a set up for exactly the same reason awhile back...I had to drive around to some not legit shops and buy some hideous p-rod colorway that I've tried to scrape off...couldn't put the board together with the 'incorrect' truck, embarrassing)

I understand your pain. Part of my Venture choice is nostalgia. When Independent went to Stage 9, I freaked out, I STILL don't like the shaved down hanger. I skated Indys almost exclusively from 86-03 (except for a few months on those glorious Venture featherlights in the BPSW era and the early Royals in 1999 or 2000 for a few months). Anyway, I watched the filming of my friends and I around this time, and saw all of my "best" stuff, I was using Ventures. (My answer to stage 9 was to use Venture Lo's) So, that, combined with my sick obsession with Girl Goldfish and Mouse, made me buy some Ventures. And I am enjoying them/skating better on these than I have on Indys in a long time.
But my OCD/anxiety also have me questioning "What are MY trucks?". I have all these Indy hoodies/posters/t-shirts etc due to my former loyalty. I just can't skate them the way I did prior to stage 9 (and they're two stages past that). I am pretty aware that it is all in my head, but that doesn't make it any better. When I'm not skating good, I'll curse the individual that changed the Indy hanger.
I've fumbled back and forth for 13 years here. Hence, my Thunders info thread. I guess I am a commitment-phobe. I am totally enjoying these Ventures, but I am pretty curious about those Thunders, and oddly the Hi's (as I mentioned in that thread, I've always used standard Indys, but in any other brand - lows always, AND I don't know why at all). It's sort of like, I broke up with a girl and I'm trying to find my new one, but there's a few varieties and I'm scared to commit! I'm like "Indy ... I miss your big hanger, you hurt me". And "Venture, we are pretty good together, indeed." And "But Thunder, you look like we could hook up...soon." And even "But alas, those newer Royals look enticing too". (P.S. My Royal curiosity is based on the fact that all those guys skated Ventures [and even Thunders prior] in their heyday, so my assumption is that they're pretty similar or based almost exclusively off them).

I actually spend a lot of the down time at my job, going through these phrases:
"Dude, you know you'll go back to Indys eventually..."
"No! I cannot kickflip the same with thy shaven hanger!"
"Yes, these Ventures are skating good, just enjoy them, it's the right choice!"
"But those Thunders, maybe... they could be the ones, look at that team list too, whoa" (yes sometimes I think about that)
"Royals.... Mariano, Carroll, Rudy.... those are your dudes, they MUST be the ones"

And then I have a different "this is REALLY my decision" every day of the week. I suppose part of it, is I used to use the same setup for years. Alien Workshop 7.625 with Indy 126s, Shorty's 7/8" , Swiss and Spitfire Bighead 52's. For soooo long. And I'm still trying to get used to wider boards (I don't get to skate much, I have a 2 year old, wife and 2 dogs that need 99.9% of my attention). Trying to find the "me" setup. I skate Girl decks mostly now (I am a 100% sufferer of nostalgia and not letting go of eras), as I don't feel connected to the newer brands. I didn't grow up "with" these guys/brands so I'm like "I fear change" on all of that. I also didn't conform to the highwater/tight pants of the last 10 years, so I'm out of the fashion loop too. Part of me is trying to shake things up to battle my OCD, so trying to go wider/different trucks. I just rambled about nothing for 15 minutes.

I tend to go to my shop for the last 3 years and be not interested in the newer stuff, then out of guilt, buy a few stickers or a cheap dvd to make the exit safely. (I one time bought some Bones bushings that I never wanted just to get the hell out of there without just going "Uh...well...see ya"). Or just keep doing the rounds, looking at things I have no intention of buying until another customer comes in and gets attention, so I can sneak out of there undetected. How are those P-Rods working for you?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 12, 2016, 07:22:31 PM
Are you me? I want to like Indys and big boards so bad but I can't. I also LOL'd at buying shit at the shop out of guilt. I have a bag of bushings and hardware I'll probably never use because of this.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 12, 2016, 09:10:18 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 10, 2016, 09:14:20 AM
Jesus Christ Rob.... why would you email the company if the problem was with the shop?

Clamy-they're just sitting here. Probably won't be able to get on them until next weekend.

aha idk if i mentioned but it was cause i bought the last set of black ace 03 on socal so if i called them they couldnt do much but tell me i can return them or exchange for one raw ace which idk about you guys but im over raw trucks, and i paid $8 more for the black paint. idk why but black trucks make me feel like skating better because of that whole its all in your mind thing with all of us. but yeah i know calling socal would of just been like oh we can exchange it or wait for a back order to come in when we have them back in stock and id rather not wait or get an exchange that long

but so far i emailed joeys people and they said just make sure to leave a letter with the send back so they understand, it sucks cause i was getting so hyped to skate some super fine low trucks known as ACE trucks and then this bull shit happens, like damn i just wanted a light low truck that actually turns and this happens, so im back on the indy 139 lows with after market medium cylinder bottom no washer and it works but cmon guys stop lying to yourselves, when you got lighter trucks they keep you skating longer cause you dont run out of breath trying to lug this piece of weight around to do a simple kickflip. the indy lows are very good low trucks, they just weigh a bit much compared to the aces. sorry about the long post over and over you guys are the only ones that understand truck analysis
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 12, 2016, 09:32:10 PM
Quote from: fang on October 12, 2016, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: Ok on October 12, 2016, 12:50:04 PM
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Thanks to all of the people that post regularly in this thread and the set up thread, hearing others opinions is helpful, and entertaining. BMC, and Clamy, you are correct: I am crazy. These several threads help me to look slightly less crazy at the local shop, as I can read up here, and not ask the shop guys about anything more than width (shop I go to is super rad, they have just watched me mumbling to myself as I measure multiple boards only to stalk out of there with nothing/or everything to no effect on my skating. Thanks again for the info and laughs (fang: I bought ventures for a set up for exactly the same reason awhile back...I had to drive around to some not legit shops and buy some hideous p-rod colorway that I've tried to scrape off...couldn't put the board together with the 'incorrect' truck, embarrassing)
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I understand your pain. Part of my Venture choice is nostalgia. When Independent went to Stage 9, I freaked out, I STILL don't like the shaved down hanger. I skated Indys almost exclusively from 86-03 (except for a few months on those glorious Venture featherlights in the BPSW era and the early Royals in 1999 or 2000 for a few months). Anyway, I watched the filming of my friends and I around this time, and saw all of my "best" stuff, I was using Ventures. (My answer to stage 9 was to use Venture Lo's) So, that, combined with my sick obsession with Girl Goldfish and Mouse, made me buy some Ventures. And I am enjoying them/skating better on these than I have on Indys in a long time.
But my OCD/anxiety also have me questioning "What are MY trucks?". I have all these Indy hoodies/posters/t-shirts etc due to my former loyalty. I just can't skate them the way I did prior to stage 9 (and they're two stages past that). I am pretty aware that it is all in my head, but that doesn't make it any better. When I'm not skating good, I'll curse the individual that changed the Indy hanger.
I've fumbled back and forth for 13 years here. Hence, my Thunders info thread. I guess I am a commitment-phobe. I am totally enjoying these Ventures, but I am pretty curious about those Thunders, and oddly the Hi's (as I mentioned in that thread, I've always used standard Indys, but in any other brand - lows always, AND I don't know why at all). It's sort of like, I broke up with a girl and I'm trying to find my new one, but there's a few varieties and I'm scared to commit! I'm like "Indy ... I miss your big hanger, you hurt me". And "Venture, we are pretty good together, indeed." And "But Thunder, you look like we could hook up...soon." And even "But alas, those newer Royals look enticing too". (P.S. My Royal curiosity is based on the fact that all those guys skated Ventures [and even Thunders prior] in their heyday, so my assumption is that they're pretty similar or based almost exclusively off them).

I actually spend a lot of the down time at my job, going through these phrases:
"Dude, you know you'll go back to Indys eventually..."
"No! I cannot kickflip the same with thy shaven hanger!"
"Yes, these Ventures are skating good, just enjoy them, it's the right choice!"
"But those Thunders, maybe... they could be the ones, look at that team list too, whoa" (yes sometimes I think about that)
"Royals.... Mariano, Carroll, Rudy.... those are your dudes, they MUST be the ones"

And then I have a different "this is REALLY my decision" every day of the week. I suppose part of it, is I used to use the same setup for years. Alien Workshop 7.625 with Indy 126s, Shorty's 7/8" , Swiss and Spitfire Bighead 52's. For soooo long. And I'm still trying to get used to wider boards (I don't get to skate much, I have a 2 year old, wife and 2 dogs that need 99.9% of my attention). Trying to find the "me" setup. I skate Girl decks mostly now (I am a 100% sufferer of nostalgia and not letting go of eras), as I don't feel connected to the newer brands. I didn't grow up "with" these guys/brands so I'm like "I fear change" on all of that. I also didn't conform to the highwater/tight pants of the last 10 years, so I'm out of the fashion loop too. Part of me is trying to shake things up to battle my OCD, so trying to go wider/different trucks. I just rambled about nothing for 15 minutes.

I tend to go to my shop for the last 3 years and be not interested in the newer stuff, then out of guilt, buy a few stickers or a cheap dvd to make the exit safely. (I one time bought some Bones bushings that I never wanted just to get the hell out of there without just going "Uh...well...see ya"). Or just keep doing the rounds, looking at things I have no intention of buying until another customer comes in and gets attention, so I can sneak out of there undetected. How are those P-Rods working for you?

thunder hi arent even that hi, theyre borderline lows, from what ive noticed theyre a nice mid height closer to lows. like you can hit the tail to ground fast but it still a height thats good for wiggling a turn here and there, i have some 147 hi on my cruiser and theyre just the right height. i can smoothly turn(cause no bottom washer) and still catch that quick tail to ground pop up a curb

indy stage 11 standard i have come to realize ,not being alone with all your guys feedback on them,, are probably the most over rated truck on the market. i knew it wasnt only me when i was struggling on the stage 11, i had stage 10ś and they were amazing, i was landing tricks back to back then stage 11 came and i was obsessed cause of all the hype on a new remastered indy and it was all a sham, they just extended the pivot stem and opened up the clearance with the kingpin and thought it was a good idea but the trucks are tall, too tall

if indy can find a way to have stage 11 turning with a stage 10 height and control i think it would over sell thunders, cause truthfully i think thunders sell more than indys by a margin. kinda sad i sold my stage 10 but oh well. also i dont do forged baseplates, they feel thin and flimsy compared to good ole solid gravity cast plates. cast plates dont feel like theyre gonna break when i stomp a land cause im mobbing like grecko
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on October 12, 2016, 09:42:21 PM
Quote from: rob on October 12, 2016, 09:32:10 PM

thunder hi arent even that hi, theyre borderline lows, from what ive noticed theyre a nice mid height closer to lows. like you can hit the tail to ground fast but it still a height thats good for wiggling a turn here and there, i have some 147 hi on my cruiser and theyre just the right height. i can smoothly turn(cause no bottom washer) and still catch that quick tail to ground pop up a curb

indy stage 11 standard i have come to realize ,not being alone with all your guys feedback on them,, are probably the most over rated truck on the market. i knew it wasnt only me when i was struggling on the stage 11, i had stage 10ś and they were amazing, i was landing tricks back to back then stage 11 came and i was obsessed cause of all the hype on a new remastered indy and it was all a sham, they just extended the pivot stem and opened up the clearance with the kingpin and thought it was a good idea but the trucks are tall, too tall

if indy can find a way to have stage 11 turning with a stage 10 height and control i think it would over sell thunders, cause truthfully i think thunders sell more than indys by a margin. kinda sad i sold my stage 10 but oh well. also i dont do forged baseplates, they feel thin and flimsy compared to good ole solid gravity cast plates. cast plates dont feel like theyre gonna break when i stomp a land cause im mobbing like grecko

Keep in mind that forged aluminum is 6 times stronger than cast aluminum.  That's why people get loose kingpins with cast baseplates and it's nearly impossible with one that is forged
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 12, 2016, 09:50:07 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 12, 2016, 09:42:21 PM
Quote from: rob on October 12, 2016, 09:32:10 PM
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thunder hi arent even that hi, theyre borderline lows, from what ive noticed theyre a nice mid height closer to lows. like you can hit the tail to ground fast but it still a height thats good for wiggling a turn here and there, i have some 147 hi on my cruiser and theyre just the right height. i can smoothly turn(cause no bottom washer) and still catch that quick tail to ground pop up a curb

indy stage 11 standard i have come to realize ,not being alone with all your guys feedback on them,, are probably the most over rated truck on the market. i knew it wasnt only me when i was struggling on the stage 11, i had stage 10ś and they were amazing, i was landing tricks back to back then stage 11 came and i was obsessed cause of all the hype on a new remastered indy and it was all a sham, they just extended the pivot stem and opened up the clearance with the kingpin and thought it was a good idea but the trucks are tall, too tall

if indy can find a way to have stage 11 turning with a stage 10 height and control i think it would over sell thunders, cause truthfully i think thunders sell more than indys by a margin. kinda sad i sold my stage 10 but oh well. also i dont do forged baseplates, they feel thin and flimsy compared to good ole solid gravity cast plates. cast plates dont feel like theyre gonna break when i stomp a land cause im mobbing like grecko
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Keep in mind that forged aluminum is 6 times stronger than cast aluminum.  That's why people get loose kingpins with cast baseplates and it's nearly impossible with one that is forged

i understand steve, i know that with forged they heat the metal and press it into the shape of the plate so its non porous and such and basically super solid compared to casting where they just pour some hot metal into a mold but the way forged feel or maybe the weight throws me off, actually i think its how thick the actual plate part against the deck is to me, cause its so thin for lightness it doesn't feel like how classic trucks feel. but then again ive had forged krux plates and they arent thinner than the cast krux plates and it still threw me off. so it must be the weight difference. yeah i think a solid weight plate with a light hangar would be an ideal truck for me, of course with a good geometry too
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on October 12, 2016, 10:40:21 PM
has anyone used thunder 151's or indy  159's on a 9" board?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on October 13, 2016, 05:58:40 AM
Thread delivers as always!. It would be interesting to do interviews with engineers, metal experts, even someone in physics, who don't necessarily skate to look at existing trucks and their specs and have them give their 2 cents on them from the perspective of their field of expertise. Like, "from metallurgical standpoint the Ermico trucks etc..)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 13, 2016, 06:26:12 AM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on October 13, 2016, 05:58:40 AM
Thread delivers as always!. It would be interesting to do interviews with engineers, metal experts, even someone in physics, who don't necessarily skate to look at existing trucks and their specs and have them give their 2 cents on them from the perspective of their field of expertise. Like, "from metallurgical standpoint the Ermico trucks etc..)

Imagine they fixed all the spotty things with existing trucks with that expertise, like the way some weight could be shaved off indy's and but sill keep the shape and turn or even come up with the perfect weight ratio between baseplates and hangar(sort of what I mentioned with the whole solid weight baseplate and light hangar) so the truck is even and helps with flip tricks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on October 13, 2016, 06:37:38 AM
Quote from: rob on October 13, 2016, 06:26:12 AM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on October 13, 2016, 05:58:40 AM
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Thread delivers as always!. It would be interesting to do interviews with engineers, metal experts, even someone in physics, who don't necessarily skate to look at existing trucks and their specs and have them give their 2 cents on them from the perspective of their field of expertise. Like, "from metallurgical standpoint the Ermico trucks etc..)
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Imagine they fixed all the spotty things with existing trucks with that expertise, like the way some weight could be shaved off indy's and but sill keep the shape and turn or even come up with the perfect weight ratio between baseplates and hangar(sort of what I mentioned with the whole solid weight baseplate and light hangar) so the truck is even and helps with flip tricks

That's what they do in every other industry. In cycling everything is calculated down to the gram and millimeter to be optimal which is why I'm so insane when it comes to skate stuff. 

Skate parts have been nearly the same for 40 years and it's incredibly frustrating.  Trucks should be CNC with a fixed axle placement, pivot cups shouldnt exist, they should be a clutch type pivot ball, bearings and wheels should function together as a single unit, etc.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on October 13, 2016, 10:08:48 AM
I think we don't get the same tech refinement as other "sports" because of the way we treat our equipment! The grinding, thrashing of everything, plus skating being thought of for a long time as a young persons thing.

I'm pretty sure prices have something to do with it, we're used to everything being relatively cheap/disposable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on October 13, 2016, 10:58:16 AM
i like my trucks as they are actually, there's been improvements since 40 years, hollow and shit, i'm sure they have experts working on it,  as said the grinding, thrashing etc need solidity and stiffness, and pivot cups are the best ! haha 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on October 13, 2016, 12:26:24 PM
latest truck set up

149 indy
stage 10.5 forged baseplate, hollow kingpin
ti hangar
aftermarket indy orange cylinder bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jake From State Farm on October 13, 2016, 05:12:17 PM
Quote from: ducky darnsworth on October 12, 2016, 10:40:21 PM
has anyone used thunder 151's or indy  159's on a 9" board?

Yes,  Thunder 151's on the Welcome Banshee 90 shape. It's all good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on October 13, 2016, 06:01:27 PM
I didn't take anyone's advice and picked up Thunder 149's today haha. I'll be using Bones hards in them. I refuse to use risers with 53mm wheels so we'll see how it goes. I know I'll still get wheelbite but it always happens with every truck I skate. As long as I don't come to a screeching halt that's fine. Just burnt out on Indy and Ace, I wanna try something else and I feel like Thunder is the perfect inbetween. Ventures and just about all the rest are too ugly looking/kooky in my eyes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on October 13, 2016, 06:41:09 PM
Quote from: Main on October 13, 2016, 06:01:27 PM
I didn't take anyone's advice and picked up Thunder 149's today haha. I'll be using Bones hards in them. I refuse to use risers with 53mm wheels so we'll see how it goes. I know I'll still get wheelbite but it always happens with every truck I skate. As long as I don't come to a screeching halt that's fine. Just burnt out on Indy and Ace, I wanna try something else and I feel like Thunder is the perfect inbetween. Ventures and just about all the rest are too ugly looking/kooky in my eyes.

I've been running 149 hollow lights with 54mm's, as long as you don't run them super loose I think they'll be fine!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 13, 2016, 07:32:49 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 13, 2016, 06:37:38 AM
Quote from: rob on October 13, 2016, 06:26:12 AM
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Quote from: perverted super otaku! on October 13, 2016, 05:58:40 AM
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Thread delivers as always!. It would be interesting to do interviews with engineers, metal experts, even someone in physics, who don't necessarily skate to look at existing trucks and their specs and have them give their 2 cents on them from the perspective of their field of expertise. Like, "from metallurgical standpoint the Ermico trucks etc..)
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Imagine they fixed all the spotty things with existing trucks with that expertise, like the way some weight could be shaved off indy's and but sill keep the shape and turn or even come up with the perfect weight ratio between baseplates and hangar(sort of what I mentioned with the whole solid weight baseplate and light hangar) so the truck is even and helps with flip tricks
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That's what they do in every other industry. In cycling everything is calculated down to the gram and millimeter to be optimal which is why I'm so insane when it comes to skate stuff. 

Skate parts have been nearly the same for 40 years and it's incredibly frustrating.  Trucks should be CNC with a fixed axle placement, pivot cups shouldnt exist, they should be a clutch type pivot ball, bearings and wheels should function together as a single unit, etc.



Aha woah you mean like all the wheels roll the same way together ?

Yeah fixed axle placement seems necessary

It's cool to know out here there's guys like me that get so ocd about a skateboard setup, I thought I was the only crazy skater out here who keeps swapping my trucks because of certain pros and feel from one to the other and never being able to decide what's best, because what is best? The only way to find out is to experiment and so far I'm coming to the end of my truck tinkering because I know I definitely prefer trucks low around 47mm-49mm height, cylinder style bushings for the stability and easy to center feel, and last a carvy style geometry rather than the bouncy quick turn like thunder or venture. So I'm down to ace and Indy lows to be my perfect truck, just gotta wait for that warranty return for the redesign/refined ace 03

I noticed besides the grade aluminum, bushings, and maybe pivot cups the old ace compared to the newly refined aces the new refined ace hangar is more curved out from pivot stem down rather than looking like a straight triangle before for support from bending and breaking like old ace is known for
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on October 13, 2016, 10:54:26 PM
Quote from: art hellman on October 13, 2016, 12:26:24 PM
latest truck set up

149 indy
stage 10.5 forged baseplate, hollow kingpin
ti hangar
aftermarket indy orange cylinder bushings
So, how do they ride dawg?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 14, 2016, 03:01:54 AM
Again, thanks for the contributions...fang: amazing. A very accurate accounting of feelings I've had/have. Trucks have the greatest differentiating effect on a set up, for me. Trucks have this allure of 'unearned gains' for lack of a better term. What I mean by that is I can set up a different brand/size and sometimes have a much easier time with a certain trick. 360 flips are way easier for me with indys for example (rest assured this means that they are still fucked, just less fucked). I've learned to give everything else away, except for trucks, because I'll invariably circle back around. Blah blah.

BMC: the lack of information about skateboard products is pretty amazing. As an obvious example, thunder doesn't post information about the height or weight of their trucks. Not trying to pick on them, the industry is just weird. In a way the mystique is nice, separates skateboarding in yet another way from golf (or cycling, or archery, or whatever the fuck industry that bothers to describe their products on something involving measurements). I don't understand cnc axles, but inovation is needed, hard when I'm 38, and completes cost about the same as they did when I was 8. I found some old thunders in a box at my parents awhile back. I should have taken a photo before I threw them in the garbage (they were very broken/haggard), the 'shoulders of the truck looked uneven, and they looked like they were made out of clay. Just oddly crude. Was a set from the mid 90's. Indys from that era felt like they weighed a ton. Drake jones flexed em, but I always felt like they were super heavy, slow. Completes are significantly lighter today (feeling, not fact). Which has helped make set ups wider with less detriment. Wider trucks 'feel' 'better', but my slow slow whittling 'style' gets less consistent. Tricks feel better on 149s, land more on 139s. Has anyone found lighter weight trucks to help going wider? Or is the leverage the more relevant characteristic? Another question I've started wondering about is what effect do wider (or thinner) wheels have on the turning arc of trucks and how they feel? Do wider wheels make a truck 'behave' narrower or nah? Gibberish.

Ducky: my personal experience is that Indy 159s are rad! Weight penalty gets gnarlier with the bigger trucks obvi, but the way that indys shorten a wheelbase helps me flip them better. Bombing hills on a 9" board and 159s is rad, you just feel planted. Thunder 151s are also great, and if I could find 8.5+ boards that were 31.5 or less than 32 then I would use them. Indys make a board feel smaller, thunders make a board feel longer. For me. Bluh, blah
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on October 14, 2016, 05:32:51 AM
I think dwindle and dlx have some shapes closer to what you are looking for^ as far as wheel width goes, what I can say is my trucks turn drastically different on worn f4 classics compared to new ones, the ones turn wayyyyy better, maybe because of the more focuesed riding surface before they wear into tablet wheels. It would be interesting to set up a super light 8.5/9x31.8 with forged/hollow 151's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on October 14, 2016, 06:16:18 AM
Quote from: tangar on October 13, 2016, 10:54:26 PM
Quote from: art hellman on October 13, 2016, 12:26:24 PM
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latest truck set up

149 indy
stage 10.5 forged baseplate, hollow kingpin
ti hangar
aftermarket indy orange cylinder bushings
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So, how do they ride dawg?

perfect.  gonna skate em until they fall apart.

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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on October 14, 2016, 06:27:25 AM
Skated great on Thunders last weekend and kept wishing I was on Indy's (mental block) 

Skating Indys this weekend and will likely skate terrible wishing I was on Thunders.

I just can't get away from Indy even though I know I won't skate as consistently with them.  Pretty infuriating

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 14, 2016, 08:42:52 AM
BMC: too bad venture doesn't make a ti option, but their 5.8 (a truck I haven't had) seems like it might be your thing. I know you've tried them, maybe worth a revisit. The venture turn is really great, very hard to wheelbite, and they offer the stability and extended wheelbase of thunders, with the height of stage 10 Indys. The build quality is also good on the ones I've had recently (use to be able to break em). Since ermico I can do all of the dumb stuff like run them wobble loose with shorter bushings or use extra washers on the inside of the wheel to push the wheels out for a slightly wider feeling truck, with no lasting ill results.

Fang: the ventures I've had have been really good. Trying not to skate lows (I have low 5.25s and a set of hi 5.0s...) as lows make a reasonable sized wheel not possible. Both pairs have bear really nice high quality white bushings that are awesome. Have to put soap in the pivot cup. People always complain about the outer bolt placement on the ventures in relation to the hanger, I take the hanger off when I set them up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 14, 2016, 08:45:10 AM
Quote from: art hellman on October 14, 2016, 06:16:18 AM
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latest truck set up

149 indy
stage 10.5 forged baseplate, hollow kingpin
ti hangar
aftermarket indy orange cylinder bushings
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So, how do they ride dawg?
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perfect.  gonna skate em until they fall apart.

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So... you made regular ti 149s with aftermarket bushings? Aren't the base plates the same?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on October 14, 2016, 08:48:52 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 14, 2016, 08:45:10 AM
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latest truck set up

149 indy
stage 10.5 forged baseplate, hollow kingpin
ti hangar
aftermarket indy orange cylinder bushings
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So, how do they ride dawg?
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perfect.?  gonna skate em until they fall apart.

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So... you made regular ti 149s with aftermarket bushings? Aren't the base plates the same?

yea...nothing special, except I just put on a pair of older forged (Indy called em stage 10.5 before they made the next batch... with a different indy cross on the bottom) baseplates...they are from a pair of the koston hollow indys I had years ago....

I mainly used em just because I had already worn in the front of the baseplate with noseslides, etc. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on October 14, 2016, 04:13:26 PM
So I think I've found the closest thing to my ideal truck with these Ventures I got from L60DP. To me they're a perfect middle ground between Thunders and Indy/Ace/Krux. Compared to Thunders, I feel like the extra height and slightly more inward position of the axle helps me get more leverage for ollies without getting into Indy territory where the 55mm height just makes it feel tippy and like everything requires more effort. The stock bushings felt slow and didn't have enough rebound for me so I replaced them with 90a Indy's on the bottom and the red 88a on top. Like a lot of people I never really considered them because of their image or whatever but fuck it, they feel good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 14, 2016, 05:04:09 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 14, 2016, 06:27:25 AM
Skated great on Thunders last weekend and kept wishing I was on Indy's (mental block) 

Skating Indys this weekend and will likely skate terrible wishing I was on Thunders.

I just can't get away from Indy even though I know I won't skate as consistently with them.  Pretty infuriating



ahaha i had that for a little, i was wanting that thrash hesh feeling on being an indy head with these proclaimed bad boy trucks that can take any beating from the heavy streets with its solid contruction, carvy turn, and beefed hangar built to grind but thunder hi are just the best all around truck, the turn can be eh sometimes but the response is too good.

im debating to go back to thunders from my indy lows just cause i remembered skating this spot with terrible asphalt and pulling a kook moment at the spot swapping my trucks here and there just to see the difference on feel with 3 different sets of trucks and i recall my 147 hi were the best, the rough asphalt didnt mess with my stability and turning too much and the height was perfect for a quick pop response to get my trick

i can only recall of the three sets tested i tried my royals(the new ones) and yeah the thunders, i dont remember testing my self proclaimed indy lows but man, thunders sell for a reason. theyre damned good trucks. are they really made in china now??? cause i remember N.L. mentioning about thunders and indy no longer carrying the USA stamp
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on October 14, 2016, 05:13:28 PM
indy and thunder standards with regular baseplates are still made in SF, CA as far as i know.

i believe all the fancy parts such as forged baseplates, hollow KPs and hangers are made in china, as well as the bushings, nuts, washers etc....

i'm currently on Indy 149 standards and just got axle slip... ha ha....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 14, 2016, 05:29:10 PM
Quote from: N.L. on October 14, 2016, 05:13:28 PM
indy and thunder standards with regular baseplates are still made in SF, CA as far as i know.

i believe all the fancy parts such as forged baseplates, hollow KPs and hangers are made in china, as well as the bushings, nuts, washers etc....

i'm currently on Indy 149 standards and just got axle slip... ha ha....

aha thats crazy, seems unheard of to me, for independents to have such a problem with its crazy hangar design

dang idk what to do again, time to get back to the testing fields cause im itching to see how thunders were compared to my other trucks, i know they were good but i took them off for a good while for my indy lows, and now im looking at my theeve lows and wondering why i took them off when they helped me get a kickflip up a curb in around 5 tries cause they helped my board flip so easy...

when i get that replacement ace 03 hopefully the aces will be my stable truck wheel setup until they hit axle and break eventually

i think i dropped the thunders cause i wanted something deeper turning even though they ,as i repeat over and over, had good response

so many good things with each truck but which one stays consistent and only helps me skate better???...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on October 14, 2016, 06:22:38 PM
Every single component of Indy, Thunder, and Venture besides the cast hanger and baseplate is all sourced from China.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 15, 2016, 02:54:16 PM
Quote from: rob on October 14, 2016, 05:29:10 PM
Quote from: N.L. on October 14, 2016, 05:13:28 PM
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indy and thunder standards with regular baseplates are still made in SF, CA as far as i know.

i believe all the fancy parts such as forged baseplates, hollow KPs and hangers are made in china, as well as the bushings, nuts, washers etc....

i'm currently on Indy 149 standards and just got axle slip... ha ha....
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aha thats crazy, seems unheard of to me, for independents to have such a problem with its crazy hangar design

dang idk what to do again, time to get back to the testing fields cause im itching to see how thunders were compared to my other trucks, i know they were good but i took them off for a good while for my indy lows, and now im looking at my theeve lows and wondering why i took them off when they helped me get a kickflip up a curb in around 5 tries cause they helped my board flip so easy...

when i get that replacement ace 03 hopefully the aces will be my stable truck wheel setup until they hit axle and break eventually

i think i dropped the thunders cause i wanted something deeper turning even though they ,as i repeat over and over, had good response

so many good things with each truck but which one stays consistent and only helps me skate better???...

Have you tried using Thunders with the Team (cast) plates?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on October 15, 2016, 06:48:00 PM
Quote from: GOATMOON on October 14, 2016, 04:13:26 PM
So I think I've found the closest thing to my ideal truck with these Ventures I got from L60DP. To me they're a perfect middle ground between Thunders and Indy/Ace/Krux. Compared to Thunders, I feel like the extra height and slightly more inward position of the axle helps me get more leverage for ollies without getting into Indy territory where the 55mm height just makes it feel tippy and like everything requires more effort. The stock bushings felt slow and didn't have enough rebound for me so I replaced them with 90a Indy's on the bottom and the red 88a on top. Like a lot of people I never really considered them because of their image or whatever but fuck it, they feel good.

I actually found the right tightness with a set but, even with after stock bushings certain tricks like tre flips and hard flips felt off. Added height feels amazing tho
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on October 15, 2016, 07:41:01 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on October 15, 2016, 06:48:00 PM
Quote from: GOATMOON on October 14, 2016, 04:13:26 PM
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So I think I've found the closest thing to my ideal truck with these Ventures I got from L60DP. To me they're a perfect middle ground between Thunders and Indy/Ace/Krux. Compared to Thunders, I feel like the extra height and slightly more inward position of the axle helps me get more leverage for ollies without getting into Indy territory where the 55mm height just makes it feel tippy and like everything requires more effort. The stock bushings felt slow and didn't have enough rebound for me so I replaced them with 90a Indy's on the bottom and the red 88a on top. Like a lot of people I never really considered them because of their image or whatever but fuck it, they feel good.
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I actually found the right tightness with a set but, even with after stock bushings certain tricks like tre flips and hard flips felt off. Added height feels amazing tho

Bushing issues is the only real negative I've heard about ventures so far. They're starting to come out on top for me (out of the big 4). They've got a decent turn, wheelbase, height, easy to find parts, nice to grind, etc.. I always thought I wanted my set up as low as possible, but with my current ride.. I almost feel too low. I can't believe it, I'm not getting wheelbite either.

There must be some kind of sweet spot for height. I can't even explain why I'm not stoked on how low things are right now. Even though I can roll through everything just fine, being so close to the ground is disconcerting for some reason. I'll just give it a few weeks then see what I'm feelin.  
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on October 15, 2016, 07:48:47 PM
Quote from: Zimmer on October 15, 2016, 07:41:01 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on October 15, 2016, 06:48:00 PM
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So I think I've found the closest thing to my ideal truck with these Ventures I got from L60DP. To me they're a perfect middle ground between Thunders and Indy/Ace/Krux. Compared to Thunders, I feel like the extra height and slightly more inward position of the axle helps me get more leverage for ollies without getting into Indy territory where the 55mm height just makes it feel tippy and like everything requires more effort. The stock bushings felt slow and didn't have enough rebound for me so I replaced them with 90a Indy's on the bottom and the red 88a on top. Like a lot of people I never really considered them because of their image or whatever but fuck it, they feel good.
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I actually found the right tightness with a set but, even with after stock bushings certain tricks like tre flips and hard flips felt off. Added height feels amazing tho
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Bushing issues is the only real negative I've heard about ventures so far. They're starting to come out on top for me (out of the big 4). They've got a decent turn, wheelbase, height, easy to find parts, nice to grind, etc.. I always thought I wanted my set up as low as possible, but with my current ride.. I almost feel too low. I can't believe it, I'm not getting wheelbite either.

There must be some kind of sweet spot for height. I can't even explain why I'm not stoked on how low things are right now. Even though I can roll through everything just fine, being so close to the ground is disconcerting for some reason. I'll just give it a few weeks then see what I'm feelin.  
I get you, my thought process is that I can't power though stuff as easy. While I'm mostly doing flat and boardslides I feel that higher trucks last longer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheLowerBack on October 16, 2016, 01:22:57 PM
Thunder 149TI, Khiro 85 top bushing, sanded down Bones bottom withno waher, and Krux kingpin. Super surfy and quick. I'd like to eventually get softer bushings and shave down the bottom even more.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 16, 2016, 01:34:44 PM
Quote from: Xen on October 15, 2016, 02:54:16 PM
Quote from: rob on October 14, 2016, 05:29:10 PM
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Quote from: N.L. on October 14, 2016, 05:13:28 PM
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indy and thunder standards with regular baseplates are still made in SF, CA as far as i know.

i believe all the fancy parts such as forged baseplates, hollow KPs and hangers are made in china, as well as the bushings, nuts, washers etc....

i'm currently on Indy 149 standards and just got axle slip... ha ha....
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aha thats crazy, seems unheard of to me, for independents to have such a problem with its crazy hangar design

dang idk what to do again, time to get back to the testing fields cause im itching to see how thunders were compared to my other trucks, i know they were good but i took them off for a good while for my indy lows, and now im looking at my theeve lows and wondering why i took them off when they helped me get a kickflip up a curb in around 5 tries cause they helped my board flip so easy...

when i get that replacement ace 03 hopefully the aces will be my stable truck wheel setup until they hit axle and break eventually

i think i dropped the thunders cause i wanted something deeper turning even though they ,as i repeat over and over, had good response

so many good things with each truck but which one stays consistent and only helps me skate better???...
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Have you tried using Thunders with the Team (cast) plates?

Aha I only use cast plates, tried forged and I just can't do it. The thin forged plates just have no real contact with board feel for me. But I made the move and threw my thunders back on and I guess I just didn't have them dialed in right before but damn, they are perfect

Standard 147 hi are the best trucks, just needed to have the right amount of tightness

They keep you so controlled, they return to center and stay so stable for that perfect response
I was popping all my ollies and Chinese Nollies perfect cruising fast down the street

Indy's usually had that deep turn that turned a little much for me at times
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on October 16, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
Just got Thunder 147 Hi's, going to try them out tonight. I'm pretty psyched. Got Ventures as my "safe choice" and feel like a puss about it, so this is changing it up for me a bit more. (Still infuriated at whoever changed Indy's hanger on Stage IX-current).

Anyway, I had my wife and son with me, but she'll never go in the shop. Took my son in as a distraction tool in case I got panicked in the shop. And he needed to get used to this stuff. I was the only customer (phew) and I got my trucks and a Thunder sticker and bailed.

The raw (or polished) 147 Hi's is what i got
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 16, 2016, 04:07:34 PM
Quote from: fang on October 16, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
Just got Thunder 147 Hi's, going to try them out tonight. I'm pretty psyched. Got Ventures as my "safe choice" and feel like a puss about it, so this is changing it up for me a bit more. (Still infuriated at whoever changed Indy's hanger on Stage IX-current).

Anyway, I had my wife and son with me, but she'll never go in the shop. Took my son in as a distraction tool in case I got panicked in the shop. And he needed to get used to this stuff. I was the only customer (phew) and I got my trucks and a Thunder sticker and bailed.

The raw (or polished) 147 Hi's is what i got

right! independents were good trucks at stage 10 and i think alot of people said stage 9 were excellent besides the baseplate breaking and i think bending axle here and there, doesnt rowley strictly skate stage 9 or 8?

but damn stage 11 are just...whats going on indy you guys trying to compete with ace in having a crazy turn but no stability??

dont worry dude, 147 hi are definitely a hands down good truck, especially the standard polished

but side note, theyre gonna be oddly loosey goosey cause the bushings are fresh but after i think half an hour to an hour session they should start becoming like tighter but more of a bounce to center kind of tighter not completely no turning tighter
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on October 16, 2016, 07:03:46 PM
another stupid question, the only truck companys that make 8.75 trucks is indy and thunder right?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on October 16, 2016, 07:16:39 PM
Quote from: rob on October 16, 2016, 04:07:34 PM
Quote from: fang on October 16, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
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Just got Thunder 147 Hi's, going to try them out tonight. I'm pretty psyched. Got Ventures as my "safe choice" and feel like a puss about it, so this is changing it up for me a bit more. (Still infuriated at whoever changed Indy's hanger on Stage IX-current).

Anyway, I had my wife and son with me, but she'll never go in the shop. Took my son in as a distraction tool in case I got panicked in the shop. And he needed to get used to this stuff. I was the only customer (phew) and I got my trucks and a Thunder sticker and bailed.

The raw (or polished) 147 Hi's is what i got
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right! independents were good trucks at stage 10 and i think alot of people said stage 9 were excellent besides the baseplate breaking and i think bending axle here and there, doesnt rowley strictly skate stage 9 or 8?

but damn stage 11 are just...whats going on indy you guys trying to compete with ace in having a crazy turn but no stability??

dont worry dude, 147 hi are definitely a hands down good truck, especially the standard polished

but side note, theyre gonna be oddly loosey goosey cause the bushings are fresh but after i think half an hour to an hour session they should start becoming like tighter but more of a bounce to center kind of tighter not completely no turning tighter

stage 9 and 8 were dog shit. i believe rowley skates stage 7 and back? 11s are pretty good compromise of early geometry (stage 3-5) with better features such as lower kingpins. if you want super stable trucks- look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 16, 2016, 07:21:53 PM
Really? That's crazy cause my best friend rides crazy loose and he loved his stage 9 til the axle got bent. What stage Indy are aces based off?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on October 16, 2016, 07:31:08 PM
Quote from: N.L. on October 16, 2016, 07:16:39 PM
Quote from: rob on October 16, 2016, 04:07:34 PM
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Quote from: fang on October 16, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
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Just got Thunder 147 Hi's, going to try them out tonight. I'm pretty psyched. Got Ventures as my "safe choice" and feel like a puss about it, so this is changing it up for me a bit more. (Still infuriated at whoever changed Indy's hanger on Stage IX-current).

Anyway, I had my wife and son with me, but she'll never go in the shop. Took my son in as a distraction tool in case I got panicked in the shop. And he needed to get used to this stuff. I was the only customer (phew) and I got my trucks and a Thunder sticker and bailed.

The raw (or polished) 147 Hi's is what i got
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right! independents were good trucks at stage 10 and i think alot of people said stage 9 were excellent besides the baseplate breaking and i think bending axle here and there, doesnt rowley strictly skate stage 9 or 8?

but damn stage 11 are just...whats going on indy you guys trying to compete with ace in having a crazy turn but no stability??

dont worry dude, 147 hi are definitely a hands down good truck, especially the standard polished

but side note, theyre gonna be oddly loosey goosey cause the bushings are fresh but after i think half an hour to an hour session they should start becoming like tighter but more of a bounce to center kind of tighter not completely no turning tighter
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stage 9 and 8 were dog shit. i believe rowley skates stage 7 and back? 11s are pretty good compromise of early geometry (stage 3-5) with better features such as lower kingpins. if you want super stable trucks- look elsewhere.


I picked up a pair of Indy 146s at a garage sale a while back. Double drilled, not sure if stage 6 or 7. I'm stoked to possibly set up a true 8.25 setup but I'm also aware they are heavy as fuck.

What are Krux highs like turn-wise and as far as axle placement (wheelbase)?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on October 16, 2016, 07:36:45 PM
Quote from: rob on October 16, 2016, 07:21:53 PM
Really? That's crazy cause my best friend rides crazy loose and he loved his stage 9 til the axle got bent. What stage Indy are aces based off?

I think Ace are based off stage III.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 16, 2016, 08:35:54 PM
Quote from: Willie on October 16, 2016, 07:31:08 PM
Quote from: N.L. on October 16, 2016, 07:16:39 PM
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Quote from: rob on October 16, 2016, 04:07:34 PM
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Just got Thunder 147 Hi's, going to try them out tonight. I'm pretty psyched. Got Ventures as my "safe choice" and feel like a puss about it, so this is changing it up for me a bit more. (Still infuriated at whoever changed Indy's hanger on Stage IX-current).

Anyway, I had my wife and son with me, but she'll never go in the shop. Took my son in as a distraction tool in case I got panicked in the shop. And he needed to get used to this stuff. I was the only customer (phew) and I got my trucks and a Thunder sticker and bailed.

The raw (or polished) 147 Hi's is what i got
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right! independents were good trucks at stage 10 and i think alot of people said stage 9 were excellent besides the baseplate breaking and i think bending axle here and there, doesnt rowley strictly skate stage 9 or 8?

but damn stage 11 are just...whats going on indy you guys trying to compete with ace in having a crazy turn but no stability??

dont worry dude, 147 hi are definitely a hands down good truck, especially the standard polished

but side note, theyre gonna be oddly loosey goosey cause the bushings are fresh but after i think half an hour to an hour session they should start becoming like tighter but more of a bounce to center kind of tighter not completely no turning tighter
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stage 9 and 8 were dog shit. i believe rowley skates stage 7 and back? 11s are pretty good compromise of early geometry (stage 3-5) with better features such as lower kingpins. if you want super stable trucks- look elsewhere.
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I picked up a pair of Indy 146s at a garage sale a while back. Double drilled, not sure if stage 6 or 7. I'm stoked to possibly set up a true 8.25 setup but I'm also aware they are heavy as fuck.

What are Krux highs like turn-wise and as far as axle placement (wheelbase)?

Krux are essentially Indy stage 2s _ 55mm high and don't push out the wheelbase. The krux forged plates are heavier than the cast plates. If krux made an 8.25 downlow it's probably all I'd ride.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on October 17, 2016, 05:57:48 PM
Quote from: rob on October 16, 2016, 04:07:34 PM
Quote from: fang on October 16, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
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Just got Thunder 147 Hi's, going to try them out tonight. I'm pretty psyched. Got Ventures as my "safe choice" and feel like a puss about it, so this is changing it up for me a bit more. (Still infuriated at whoever changed Indy's hanger on Stage IX-current).

Anyway, I had my wife and son with me, but she'll never go in the shop. Took my son in as a distraction tool in case I got panicked in the shop. And he needed to get used to this stuff. I was the only customer (phew) and I got my trucks and a Thunder sticker and bailed.

The raw (or polished) 147 Hi's is what i got
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right! independents were good trucks at stage 10 and i think alot of people said stage 9 were excellent besides the baseplate breaking and i think bending axle here and there, doesnt rowley strictly skate stage 9 or 8?

but damn stage 11 are just...whats going on indy you guys trying to compete with ace in having a crazy turn but no stability??

dont worry dude, 147 hi are definitely a hands down good truck, especially the standard polished

but side note, theyre gonna be oddly loosey goosey cause the bushings are fresh but after i think half an hour to an hour session they should start becoming like tighter but more of a bounce to center kind of tighter not completely no turning tighter

You were right about the loosey goosey. I only got to cruise a bit on them, did not want to tighten them anymore in case of bushing crushage. I have way too much going on today to get in a good sesh, so hopefully tomorrow. The height/shape/weight of the trucks feels pretty damn good though.

Also, Rowley posted a pic of a board of his just yesterday, and those are definitely stage 7's or 8's. The nice, thick hanger. I actually have one set of those left.  I suppose I'm waiting for a "special occasion" or something
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 17, 2016, 06:58:16 PM
Quote from: fang on October 17, 2016, 05:57:48 PM
Quote from: rob on October 16, 2016, 04:07:34 PM
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Just got Thunder 147 Hi's, going to try them out tonight. I'm pretty psyched. Got Ventures as my "safe choice" and feel like a puss about it, so this is changing it up for me a bit more. (Still infuriated at whoever changed Indy's hanger on Stage IX-current).

Anyway, I had my wife and son with me, but she'll never go in the shop. Took my son in as a distraction tool in case I got panicked in the shop. And he needed to get used to this stuff. I was the only customer (phew) and I got my trucks and a Thunder sticker and bailed.

The raw (or polished) 147 Hi's is what i got
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right! independents were good trucks at stage 10 and i think alot of people said stage 9 were excellent besides the baseplate breaking and i think bending axle here and there, doesnt rowley strictly skate stage 9 or 8?

but damn stage 11 are just...whats going on indy you guys trying to compete with ace in having a crazy turn but no stability??

dont worry dude, 147 hi are definitely a hands down good truck, especially the standard polished

but side note, theyre gonna be oddly loosey goosey cause the bushings are fresh but after i think half an hour to an hour session they should start becoming like tighter but more of a bounce to center kind of tighter not completely no turning tighter
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You were right about the loosey goosey. I only got to cruise a bit on them, did not want to tighten them anymore in case of bushing crushage. I have way too much going on today to get in a good sesh, so hopefully tomorrow. The height/shape/weight of the trucks feels pretty damn good though.

Also, Rowley posted a pic of a board of his just yesterday, and those are definitely stage 7's or 8's. The nice, thick hanger. I actually have one set of those left.  I suppose I'm waiting for a "special occasion" or something

I think stage 7 and aces are based off stage 4 cause I was googling and saw a few images from a mag that had a little timeline of the independent stages

What's crazy is the way independents went from good to bad I think
In my opinion and research

Aces based their design off old indy's, and same with theeve
Theeves are stage 7's

I wonder if rowley would ever join theeve for that
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on October 17, 2016, 07:09:17 PM
Quote from: rob on October 17, 2016, 06:58:16 PM
Quote from: fang on October 17, 2016, 05:57:48 PM
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Just got Thunder 147 Hi's, going to try them out tonight. I'm pretty psyched. Got Ventures as my "safe choice" and feel like a puss about it, so this is changing it up for me a bit more. (Still infuriated at whoever changed Indy's hanger on Stage IX-current).

Anyway, I had my wife and son with me, but she'll never go in the shop. Took my son in as a distraction tool in case I got panicked in the shop. And he needed to get used to this stuff. I was the only customer (phew) and I got my trucks and a Thunder sticker and bailed.

The raw (or polished) 147 Hi's is what i got
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right! independents were good trucks at stage 10 and i think alot of people said stage 9 were excellent besides the baseplate breaking and i think bending axle here and there, doesnt rowley strictly skate stage 9 or 8?

but damn stage 11 are just...whats going on indy you guys trying to compete with ace in having a crazy turn but no stability??

dont worry dude, 147 hi are definitely a hands down good truck, especially the standard polished

but side note, theyre gonna be oddly loosey goosey cause the bushings are fresh but after i think half an hour to an hour session they should start becoming like tighter but more of a bounce to center kind of tighter not completely no turning tighter
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You were right about the loosey goosey. I only got to cruise a bit on them, did not want to tighten them anymore in case of bushing crushage. I have way too much going on today to get in a good sesh, so hopefully tomorrow. The height/shape/weight of the trucks feels pretty damn good though.

Also, Rowley posted a pic of a board of his just yesterday, and those are definitely stage 7's or 8's. The nice, thick hanger. I actually have one set of those left.  I suppose I'm waiting for a "special occasion" or something
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I think stage 7 and aces are based off stage 4 cause I was googling and saw a few images from a mag that had a little timeline of the independent stages

What's crazy is the way independents went from good to bad I think
In my opinion and research

Aces based their design off old indy's, and same with theeve
Theeves are stage 7's

I wonder if rowley would ever join theeve for that

Ace geometry is stage III as we have already said. Its about more than just how the truck looks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 17, 2016, 07:58:48 PM
Fuck it, Indy fo life.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 17, 2016, 08:42:58 PM
I'm just hoping my aces are similar feeling to the Indy 109 I had

Do you guys think Indy stage 10.5/11 Lows are basically a lower Indy stage 10 standard ?

Cause I remember the stage 10 lows were this ugly bowed low where I guess they couldn't figure out how to even the hangar coping(whatever the grinding part of the truck is) with a lower axle and the kingpin was easy to catch then they came out with a redesigned Indy low that resembles what the stage 9 and up look like but as I stare at my stage 10.5(before they started coming with barrel/cylinder bushings and the circled Indy cross stamp) I feel like that's what they are, a lower stage 10.

Old stage 10 low

(http://en.unionfive.fi/tuotekuvat/640x640/independent_129_stage10_low_-trucks_silver-1.jpg)

New stage 10.5/11 low

(https://www.revert95.com/cms_img/independent_trucks_stage_10_silver_low1.jpg)

(http://systemsklep.pl/pol_pl_Trucki-INDEPENDENT-Stage-11-Low-Reynolds-GC-Hollow-Baker-Silver-139-9890_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 17, 2016, 08:49:51 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 17, 2016, 07:58:48 PM
Fuck it, Indy stage 7 fo life.

I get rowley's love; the last no fuss truck set-up I had were stage 7's and they lasted me 6+ years absolutely stock standard!
You guys are now convincing me on Thunders (I wanted to ride Aces) tho cuz I don't want to deal with the whole sand-your-bones-mediums-down(1 washer (top only) on the front truck "finger loose" w/ inverted kingpin)-and-then-bury-them-in-fertile-soil-by-a-brook-3.2 hours-before-a-crescent moon-while-sacrificing-virgins-and-using-their-vaginal-fluid-in-your-khiro-pivot-cups-with-magnesium-baseplates just to get the perfect ride ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 17, 2016, 09:11:03 PM
Quote from: clamy on October 17, 2016, 08:52:06 PM
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Fuck it, Indy fo life.
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I'll take those Royals off your hands if you're for real  8)  How'd they go?

Already sold haha. There was nothing wrong with them. I'm too heavy and on a bigger wheel phase to ride trucks that low.
I've accepted that it's not 1996 and I'm in my mid 30s. I'm at peace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 18, 2016, 01:59:24 AM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on October 17, 2016, 08:49:51 PM
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Fuck it, Indy stage 7 fo life.
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I get rowley's love; the last no fuss truck set-up I had were stage 7's and they lasted me 6+ years absolutely stock standard!
You guys are now convincing me on Thunders (I wanted to ride Aces) tho cuz I don't want to deal with the whole sand-your-bones-mediums-down(1 washer (top only) on the front truck "finger loose" w/ inverted kingpin)-and-then-bury-them-in-fertile-soil-by-a-brook-3.2 hours-before-a-crescent moon-while-sacrificing-virgins-and-using-their-vaginal-fluid-in-your-khiro-pivot-cups-with-magnesium-baseplates just to get the perfect ride ;)


You won't regret it, just make sure you try the stock bushings before deciding to swap them for anything.

I've had the 149 and on the 147 hi and both are the best feeling truck, I'm waiting on my ace warranty and when it comes I'll finally see what's the best, the raining champ thunder or a revamp on a classic ACE
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on October 18, 2016, 07:44:27 AM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on October 17, 2016, 08:49:51 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 17, 2016, 07:58:48 PM
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Fuck it, Indy stage 7 fo life.
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I get rowley's love; the last no fuss truck set-up I had were stage 7's and they lasted me 6+ years absolutely stock standard!
You guys are now convincing me on Thunders (I wanted to ride Aces) tho cuz I don't want to deal with the whole sand-your-bones-mediums-down(1 washer (top only) on the front truck "finger loose" w/ inverted kingpin)-and-then-bury-them-in-fertile-soil-by-a-brook-3.2 hours-before-a-crescent moon-while-sacrificing-virgins-and-using-their-vaginal-fluid-in-your-khiro-pivot-cups-with-magnesium-baseplates just to get the perfect ride ;)


The moon is just right for new trucks. Go with your heart and everything else will fall in place.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on October 18, 2016, 09:27:08 AM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on October 17, 2016, 08:49:51 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 17, 2016, 07:58:48 PM
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Fuck it, Indy stage 7 fo life.
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I get rowley's love; the last no fuss truck set-up I had were stage 7's and they lasted me 6+ years absolutely stock standard!
You guys are now convincing me on Thunders (I wanted to ride Aces) tho cuz I don't want to deal with the whole sand-your-bones-mediums-down(1 washer (top only) on the front truck "finger loose" w/ inverted kingpin)-and-then-bury-them-in-fertile-soil-by-a-brook-3.2 hours-before-a-crescent moon-while-sacrificing-virgins-and-using-their-vaginal-fluid-in-your-khiro-pivot-cups-with-magnesium-baseplates just to get the perfect ride ;)

This gets my vote for "post of the year" +1 Sir
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on October 18, 2016, 09:53:13 AM
Quote from: tangar on October 18, 2016, 09:27:08 AM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on October 17, 2016, 08:49:51 PM
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Fuck it, Indy stage 7 fo life.
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I get rowley's love; the last no fuss truck set-up I had were stage 7's and they lasted me 6+ years absolutely stock standard!
You guys are now convincing me on Thunders (I wanted to ride Aces) tho cuz I don't want to deal with the whole sand-your-bones-mediums-down(1 washer (top only) on the front truck "finger loose" w/ inverted kingpin)-and-then-bury-them-in-fertile-soil-by-a-brook-3.2 hours-before-a-crescent moon-while-sacrificing-virgins-and-using-their-vaginal-fluid-in-your-khiro-pivot-cups-with-magnesium-baseplates just to get the perfect ride ;)

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This gets my vote for "post of the year" +1 Sir

+2

The key with Thunders that I've found is to use the stock bushings at their stock tightness for 2-3 sessions and then tighten the kingpin nut so that it's flush. 

They will feel mushy and too soft at first but after your break them in the urethane firms up and has more rebound.  FYI - the 2-3 break in sessions will suck but it's worth it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on October 18, 2016, 10:17:44 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 18, 2016, 09:53:13 AM
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Fuck it, Indy stage 7 fo life.
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I get rowley's love; the last no fuss truck set-up I had were stage 7's and they lasted me 6+ years absolutely stock standard!
You guys are now convincing me on Thunders (I wanted to ride Aces) tho cuz I don't want to deal with the whole sand-your-bones-mediums-down(1 washer (top only) on the front truck "finger loose" w/ inverted kingpin)-and-then-bury-them-in-fertile-soil-by-a-brook-3.2 hours-before-a-crescent moon-while-sacrificing-virgins-and-using-their-vaginal-fluid-in-your-khiro-pivot-cups-with-magnesium-baseplates just to get the perfect ride ;)

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This gets my vote for "post of the year" +1 Sir
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+2

The key with Thunders that I've found is to use the stock bushings at their stock tightness for 2-3 sessions and then tighten the kingpin nut so that it's flush.  

They will feel mushy and too soft at first but after your break them in the urethane firms up and has more rebound.  FYI - the 2-3 break in sessions will suck but it's worth it

I tightened each 2 or 3 turns then cruised around while pushing my son in his stroller for 30 minutes. I'm guessing I need to have a real skate (hopefully tonight)on em, then re-loosen? The looks mothers give you when you're skating your son in his stroller range from "what an unsafe idea!", to "why can't my husband skate?" (OK, 99% were the first, I think one mother had a "that's kind of cool" look though)

And I plan on keeping the stock bushings in there. To me, if I have to modify the trucks in any way, then they're whack. I say this based on all the indys I used prior to stage 9, I never had to do anything. And always used stock in ventures . I used the old supercush green bushings in a set of indys in 1990, but that board got stolen like a week later. Those seemed awesome though. And stage 9, I changed to aftermarket medium Indy bushings and still never liked em. Stage 10, seemed alright. I haven't used XI much because I'm trying out other trucks and in this "what trucks?!" Dilemma currently. I know I like ventures but I'm gonna make a run with these thunder 147 hi. I hear all good things
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 18, 2016, 03:10:52 PM
Rad dad is more and more common where I am. Not a bad thing at all. Just weird seeing the rich people drop off their kids. Hopefully your son is stoked, or will be stoked, and you are hanging out with him so that's a win.  My child is not into it.

Ventures p-rod low 5.2's are quality for me. The I'll advised 5.0 p rod highs (not the biggest Paul fan, then or now. He was amazing, but never my guy, and now is pretty 'safe' looking. But his name on the hollow trucks soooo) also are awesome. Except they are really tiny. I used to, not unlike my current ridiculous, assholish quest, search for the narrowest boards possible. 7.3 Andy stone, element.  And that extreme also sucked. I should probably be on 8" trucks. Board size is really flexible these days, and almost always based off of some weird truck bullshit. Been ranting and pleading for an 8.5 x31.5, because I have a pair of 151's I need to skate. Even tho I can't 3flip 149's. Idiot. I am simultaneously going to hold pat on my 8 sets of trucks (maybe more) on also contemplating frantically buying 5.2 highs, 5.8 highs (not being made anymore?) and the lightest 149s in both Indy and thunder. To make sure that I'm totally fucked. Now that I've over shared.

I agree: stock bushing are better, for me. If I'm an asshole and try and tighten them a bunch, right away they get fucked.  No matter what kind. I just acknowledge that I'm gonna be even more of a spazz. Gives me an excuse to just cruise. Or fall and laugh. The clear thunder bushing seem to be good to go, for me, and the white ones get better. I get wheelbite with 50 mm wheels and any truck. Because I can't land on the board correctly. Hopefully they work well for you. My main problem with thunders, 147s more than the others: can't pop 'right' as opposed to my regular mega pop...147s are incredibly consistent in how they work for me tho, so i have that going for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on October 19, 2016, 08:11:49 AM
I have a set of 139 stage 7s.  barely skated.  bought em off eBay years ago. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 19, 2016, 12:42:07 PM
Nice

I just remembered actually my friend had the stage 7 or 8

I just remembered that the hangars wasn't like stage 9 or maybe even 8 so it had to be 7 but then again when did the hangar start looking like 9-11?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on October 20, 2016, 08:12:51 PM
Believe that hanger started with stage 9 (2003 if I remember right)


Well, finally had a real skate on my Thunder 147s. Left them loose to skate to the spot, was all over the place at that point, but trying to break these bushings in. Got to the spot, did a few loose ollies, tightened the front 2 turns, back 3 turns. Did a few random pop shoves, onefoot ollies, kickflips, 18's, switch 180s... rolled around some more. For the most part, they feel almost the same as my Venture Lo 5.25s. The only difference , to me thus far, is that the bushings seem pretty soft, so I get some random wonky turns (Again this is only session 2 of these). Haven't done any grinds on them yet (I get "free time" when my son goes to sleep at 9, and right by my place is a lit up , flat parking lot with no curbs/ledges.) I always end every session with a few kickflips before I go home, and I did 3 in a row, that felt like, the"ninja style" boned out kickflip. So, ending my session on THAT note, I felt pretty stoked on these Thunders.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on October 20, 2016, 08:24:23 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c9/dd/6c/c9dd6c08f6221ad7bf892f6ceb300689.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/4BeoxWo.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shitdick22 on October 20, 2016, 08:27:00 PM
indy baseplate thunder hangers broken in indy bushings in the back and 2 soft bones top bushings in the front. shits fun as fuck to ride
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 20, 2016, 08:30:33 PM
I wonder if anyone else rides lows besides Leo Romero
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: micky682 on October 21, 2016, 09:34:52 AM
I think once you go a few weeks or a month without touching your trucks, then leave them alone. Otherwise you'll go mental trying to make them just right. This happens to me at least 3 times a year.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: handsclapanin on October 21, 2016, 11:37:17 AM
(https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/indy_lineage2.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: handsclapanin on October 21, 2016, 09:24:15 PM
I got some of those Khiro pivot bushings, due to this thread, small soft. Not that anything was really wrong with my setup.
For my indys, standard 149, if that would matter.
Went for a cruise out the door, to one of the neighborhood curbs.
They don't really fit. A little sticks out. If you compare the 2 (khiro & standard), the height is the same, but the Khiro has more material on the bottom of it, causing it to stick out, causing the hanger to not really sit in there right. The trucks were locking to one side or the other. Making a weird click.
Took them off. Back to the stock hard plastic ones. At least they fit.

Enough looking at this thread.

I brought up that indy stage chart just trying to figure out what year each stage came out. After trying pretty much all truck brands growing up, I've been on nothing but indys since around 98, so I guess stage 8. I remember a couple pairs back then that I never once touched the kingpin the entire time I skated them. They were just perfect from the get go.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 21, 2016, 09:29:50 PM
thanks for the chart, my friend definitely had stage 8 and rowley has stage 7, i wonder what the height of those 2 stages were, did indy always stick to 53mm? before 11 obviously
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 21, 2016, 11:40:25 PM
Id think finding sizes like a 149 even would be tough because no one skated wider trucks.....I have a set of stage 8's and they are on my zip zinger......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on October 22, 2016, 08:44:55 AM
The earlier stages went 136, 146, etc. which were closer to 7.75 and 8.25. They didn't sell a whole lot of larger trucks from that era so they will be hard to find although that graphic suggests they did exist.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: snickers on October 22, 2016, 08:53:10 AM
indy 149s and bones medium bushings sans bottom washers. thinking about thunders for my next set up. i haven't had a set for 6-7 years and i can't remember what i didn't like about them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on October 22, 2016, 12:23:30 PM
Stage 4 & 7 Indy's looked so nice. I wonder how Salba and Rowley are getting the older stages? Do they still have the molds and pour them in small quantities for legends or something? I'd pay top dollar for some brand new Stage 7's direct from NHS...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on October 22, 2016, 08:02:06 PM
Quote from: Main on October 22, 2016, 12:23:30 PM
Stage 4 & 7 Indy's looked so nice. I wonder how Salba and Rowley are getting the older stages? Do they still have the molds and pour them in small quantities for legends or something? I'd pay top dollar for some brand new Stage 7's direct from NHS...

That would be some epic shit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 22, 2016, 10:02:15 PM
Quote from: Zimmer on October 22, 2016, 08:02:06 PM
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Stage 4 & 7 Indy's looked so nice. I wonder how Salba and Rowley are getting the older stages? Do they still have the molds and pour them in small quantities for legends or something? I'd pay top dollar for some brand new Stage 7's direct from NHS...
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That would be some epic shit.

I second that, I would definitely drop a big bill for a set of stage 7 to try
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on October 22, 2016, 10:44:54 PM
yo DLX dudes on here- what are the stock thunder bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 22, 2016, 10:46:25 PM
Quote from: fulfillthedream on October 22, 2016, 10:44:54 PM
yo DLX dudes on here- what are the stock thunder bushings?

I heard they're 90a
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dima on October 23, 2016, 08:26:16 AM
Quote from: snickers on October 22, 2016, 08:53:10 AM
indy 149s and bones medium bushings sans bottom washers. thinking about thunders for my next set up. i haven't had a set for 6-7 years and i can't remember what i didn't like about them.

To all ya skating indys with bones bushings, stop.

Dear BMCsteve you have saved my truck game with the speed cream in the pivot cup tip and the indy conical aftermarkets.

Those Indy bushings are so more solid and no more splitting like in the bones but I was first skating the blue(92a) but they were way too stiff so I barely had my kingpin nut on the threads.
I got tired of shredding the bones mediums(they 90a right?)in a month or so.I ride my trucks loose I guess, they shake or wobble or what you would like to call it.

so now with the red indy conicals(88a) and the forged hollow stg 11s 149 without the bottomwasher and it is perfect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on October 23, 2016, 08:49:15 AM
man stoked to see people making the switch to various all urethane after markets, shit really is the truth, the duro options, the turn, durability, really is a game changer
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on October 23, 2016, 09:28:41 AM
bones bushings don't sit well in stage 11 hanger, i'm still doing well with indy black cilinders on my 149s, had to put few drops of oil to avoid a persistent squeaking sound in pivot cups and in bushings too( first time i try that)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on October 24, 2016, 12:05:11 AM
^^ literally just swapped out my back truck bushings, put them in maybe two weeks ago and they squeeked nonstop, thought it might've been the pivot cup but i looked at the bottom bushing and its mad warped on one side. had a spare truck worth of parts so set up some older white bones med hopefully these dont suffer the same fate. any one ever had a problem with the black bones meds? i liked to go white on front and black on back to differentiate the two when changing boards
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on October 24, 2016, 12:15:42 AM
had the same problem with bottom bones hard, they can't stay in place in stage 11 hanger, indy aftermarket ones work well, try the blue barrel ones (92a)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on October 24, 2016, 12:30:28 AM
^I haven't had a single problem with my Bones hards in my 149 stage 11s. Been there over a year. Once I got them dialed in, they've been pretty damn awesome. They do take a few turns to warm up, especially now that it's cold outside and can be a little too stiff before that. Haven't tried Indy aftermarkets but the stock ones were rubbish compared to Bones. I see absolutely no reason to change the way my Indys are set up right now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on October 24, 2016, 02:28:10 AM
really, lucky guy ! got some on my last 139s, and the bottom bushing never locked in the hanger...and yeah, indy stock bushings are horseshit, but aftermarket ones are great
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 20matar on October 24, 2016, 12:52:09 PM
Not like anyone asked, but I figured out what was wrong with my "trucks"... turns out all my wheels have bearing slip issues. You get what you pay for. I feel like I'm in Street League, I gotta fiddle with my wheels whenever I can and force the bearings back in. Fuck that shit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on October 24, 2016, 01:03:41 PM
Quote from: 20matar on October 24, 2016, 12:52:09 PM
Not like anyone asked, but I figured out what was wrong with my "trucks"... turns out all my wheels have bearing slip issues. You get what you pay for. I feel like I'm in Street League, I gotta fiddle with my wheels whenever I can and force the bearings back in. Fuck that shit.

I've had this problem with skinny wheels - Bones STF V3, Autobahn Street Slims (non-core) and Ricta Westgates.  Never had the issue with Spitfire though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 20matar on October 24, 2016, 01:10:25 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 24, 2016, 01:03:41 PM
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Not like anyone asked, but I figured out what was wrong with my "trucks"... turns out all my wheels have bearing slip issues. You get what you pay for. I feel like I'm in Street League, I gotta fiddle with my wheels whenever I can and force the bearings back in. Fuck that shit.
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I've had this problem with skinny wheels - Bones STF V3, Autobahn Street Slims (non-core) and Ricta Westgates.  Never had the issue with Spitfire though

I'm riding 49mm Next (which is like the 3rd class of Moska wheels) wheels. They're pretty slim. I bought them for a bargain, 20 reais, which is like 7 dollars new. I need to build up some character, so I'll keep pushing. They screech enough when I slide and roll quite well, but one of them eventually gets stuck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on October 24, 2016, 01:29:14 PM
Got my first "issue" with my thunder 147s.... dunno if this is normal but my front truck squeaks crazy loud from the pivot cup. Back truck has the standard squeak but that front one is loud as the Dickens. Riding wise, I haven't been this consistent with flip tricks in ages, so I am psyched on that. Also considering I jumped from 7.75 to 8.125 with this. Still adjusting to the turning/bushings though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 24, 2016, 01:48:58 PM
Drop of coconut oil, dry bike chain lube, dish soap...whatever,  in the pivot cup. Usually sorts out the squeaking for me. Thunders yield more consistent flippery for me too. Question: what size trucks did you have on the 7.75? I have this feeling that width is a highly over considered measurement. 8-8.38 who cares. 8" trucks vs 8.5" trucks tho? For me, way different
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 20matar on October 24, 2016, 02:19:12 PM
I like to use soap bar shavings for that. But the quietness never lasts too long.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on October 24, 2016, 02:56:07 PM
yea, I was on the bones med for the past 8 years or so... recently switched to the orange 99a indy aftermarket conicals and it feels amazing.  the bushings actually do their job of providing rebound and stability to your turns. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bluntstofakie on October 24, 2016, 04:08:12 PM
Quote from: Ok on October 24, 2016, 01:48:58 PM
Drop of coconut oil, dry bike chain lube, dish soap...whatever,  in the pivot cup. Usually sorts out the squeaking for me. Thunders yield more consistent flippery for me too. Question: what size trucks did you have on the 7.75? I have this feeling that width is a highly over considered measurement. 8-8.38 who cares. 8" trucks vs 8.5" trucks tho? For me, way different
For anyone dealing with pivot cup issues, take bmcsteves advice from the first page of this thread and get some finish line dry teflon chain lube. It's more than worth the $5 to have a silent setup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on October 24, 2016, 04:45:26 PM
Quote from: Ok on October 24, 2016, 01:48:58 PM
Drop of coconut oil, dry bike chain lube, dish soap...whatever,  in the pivot cup. Usually sorts out the squeaking for me. Thunders yield more consistent flippery for me too. Question: what size trucks did you have on the 7.75? I have this feeling that width is a highly over considered measurement. 8-8.38 who cares. 8" trucks vs 8.5" trucks tho? For me, way different

My unsure-of-what-i-want-to-ride-setups are currently:
1) 7.625 x 31.5 w/ Indy 129 standards (AKA: my hanging on to the late 90s/early 2000s board)
2) 7.75 x 31.25 w/ Venture Lo 5.0 (inching up to a bigger size, barely lol)
3) 8.125 x 31.3 w/ originally Venture Lo 5.25s but now Thunder Hi 147.

I am feeling okay about the width of the board too, which I've resisted conforming to the wider boards, BUT I've had this ongoing issue with kickflips since Indys stage 9, where it seems like my back foot semi-kicks the board away upon re-entry of the flip and I land in a toe drag or semi-toe drag. This is what started my truck dilemma in 2003
All of them , I use Spitfire Bighead 52s, been my go-to since like 98.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 24, 2016, 05:26:28 PM
Quote from: rob on October 18, 2016, 01:59:24 AM
You won't regret it, just make sure you try the stock bushings before deciding to swap them for anything.

Quote from: BMCsteve on October 18, 2016, 09:53:13 AM
The key with Thunders that I've found is to use the stock bushings at their stock tightness for 2-3 sessions and then tighten the kingpin nut so that it's flush. 
They will feel mushy and too soft at first but after your break them in the urethane firms up and has more rebound.  FYI - the 2-3 break in sessions will suck but it's worth it
Just wanted to pop back in and say thanks for the advice boys, I ended up pulling the trigger on some thunder hi 149s so I'll make sure I keep them stock and try and break them in. Will let you know how it goes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: planman on October 24, 2016, 05:57:59 PM
So on Saturday I was planning on taking the bottom bushing washer out of my Krux since I did the same with my Indys but after I loosened my trucks a ton I decided to try riding my board like that and long story short I moved my Indy 149s  from my 8.5 Welcome to my 8.25 WKND and swapped out the stock bushings in them for the slightly lower profile stock bushings from my 129 Hollows and now I'm riding loose ass trucks. I've still gotta get used to it a bit but I love the quickness in terms of board control and powerslides are way more fun.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on October 24, 2016, 11:32:04 PM
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Not like anyone asked, but I figured out what was wrong with my "trucks"... turns out all my wheels have bearing slip issues. You get what you pay for. I feel like I'm in Street League, I gotta fiddle with my wheels whenever I can and force the bearings back in. Fuck that shit.
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I've had this problem with skinny wheels - Bones STF V3, Autobahn Street Slims (non-core) and Ricta Westgates.  Never had the issue with Spitfire though

2 weeks ago my radial slims 101 duro started having this issue after less than a month of skating. It started when my trucks got major slipping axle and i had to loosen up the wheels so that the bearings wouldnt bend each time the axle would slip. This is when my wheels started fucking up. I had this issue the most with bones wheels (as Steve correctly said - the slimmer shapes are the most prone) and this is why i first ever tried spitfires and loved them. i put back on my 4 month old classics and they where snug af. I did notice that the bearing socket in the radial slims is very shallow and the bearing slightly sticks out of the wheel anyway. Too bad i got a second set of radial slims waiting to be skated but i doubt it, i prefer the classics in all aspects and these seem indestructible, best wheels ever.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 24, 2016, 11:46:48 PM
Hmmmm I have a pair of radial slims on ice, now you getting me paranoid :'(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on October 25, 2016, 05:38:46 AM
I don't wanna cause bias or whatever but this was my experience. The bearings slipping out of the wheels was in no way near as bad as you would imagine. Not bones style-"the bearings would fall if i tipped the wheel" loose but they do tend to come off until they reach the nut. Also, due to age and being a pussy i have only been skating a very smooth park and in no way can i appreciate the benefits of riding the radial shape. I suppose it would make a huge difference if i tried these wheels on street. You will understand how this problem would arise once you place the bearings in the wheels. It is obvious that something like this could happen because the socket does not have enough depth to form an "arch" that would hug the bearing in its whole height so when the bearings are inserted they do not produce a "pop" sound, they rather just slide in snug.

edit#5: attached a shitty paint drawing to show you what i mean
the one on the left is the radial slims and the other is the classics. I'm still trying to figure out what they were thinking when they designed these wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on October 25, 2016, 10:34:41 AM
Quote from: Esquivel on October 25, 2016, 05:38:46 AM
I don't wanna cause bias or whatever but this was my experience. The bearings slipping out of the wheels was in no way near as bad as you would imagine. Not bones style-"the bearings would fall if i tipped the wheel" loose but they do tend to come off until they reach the nut. Also, due to age and being a pussy i have only been skating a very smooth park and in no way can i appreciate the benefits of riding the radial shape. I suppose it would make a huge difference if i tried these wheels on street. You will understand how this problem would arise once you place the bearings in the wheels. It is obvious that something like this could happen because the socket does not have enough depth to form an "arch" that would hug the bearing in its whole height so when the bearings are inserted they do not produce a "pop" sound, they rather just slide in snug.

edit#5: attached a shitty paint drawing to show you what i mean
the one on the left is the radial slims and the other is the classics. I'm still trying to figure out what they were thinking when they designed these wheels.

Wow that's insane! You just saved me from ever accidentally trying the radial slims  :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on October 25, 2016, 10:57:26 AM
Damn. I bought a set of radial slims on sale for next summer and you guys are getting me worried.  :-\
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beer Keg Peg Leg on October 25, 2016, 05:26:48 PM
Quote from: art hellman on October 24, 2016, 02:56:07 PM
yea, I was on the bones med for the past 8 years or so... recently switched to the orange 99a indy aftermarket conicals and it feels amazing.  the bushings actually do their job of providing rebound and stability to your turns. 

same for me, indy aftermarket is the realness... bones are back to being just bearings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on October 25, 2016, 06:02:56 PM
I like the regular radials
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 25, 2016, 06:05:56 PM
Quote from: clamy on October 25, 2016, 04:27:14 PM
I've been skating a set of radial slims 99s for almost 6 months with no problems. They're pretty much the perfect wheel.
okay let's just hope that Esquivel got a faulty set then
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on October 26, 2016, 02:06:19 AM
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I've been skating a set of radial slims 99s for almost 6 months with no problems. They're pretty much the perfect wheel.
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okay let's just hope that Esquivel got a faulty set then


I don't think I got a faulty set (though everything else i got from that one supplier has been faulty). Like I said, the problem showed up when i loosened up my wheels to compensate for axle slip movement. I have been skating these wheels for around a month and in extreme heat so if they were faulty the problem would be there from the get go. It only happened lately when i got huge axle slip. However my 101 classics did not have this problem. I would expect these wheels to be perfect if they were tightened just right so that they only had that little 1mm play. I do hope everybody's sets are fine, this formula 4 - regardless the shape of the wheels- is gold.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 26, 2016, 08:28:42 AM
Despite no understanding what you guys are talking about.....I'm going to recommend the race reds as a solution....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on October 26, 2016, 09:13:30 AM
I've considered race reds for solving similar issues, but I always think about what someone here said about bearing spacers (that skate wheels aren't made to strict enough tolerances for spacers to work like they should).

I wouldn't use the races for the same reason, it seems like wheels need a bit of wiggle room (not tightening down on the nut, no spacers) to account for variances in measurements, especially in the bearing seats. But I might just be crazy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 26, 2016, 11:19:22 AM
I like spacers, my Bronson and Indy blacks have both lasted a long time. My (regular) reds are the worst bearings I have right now, Powell mini logos are working significantly better for me. My main issue with bearings is longevity. I haven't skated some Swiss for years, and maybe it's time, but most bearings don't seem to vary that much in speed for me, it's more about how long through their life that they maintain that speed. I miss a ton of flip tricks and break bearings in the process. Have you guys felt like the race reds lasted longer?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 26, 2016, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: Zimmer on October 26, 2016, 09:13:30 AM
I've considered race reds for solving similar issues, but I always think about what someone here said about bearing spacers (that skate wheels aren't made to strict enough tolerances for spacers to work like they should).

I wouldn't use the races for the same reason, it seems like wheels need a bit of wiggle room (not tightening down on the nut, no spacers) to account for variances in measurements, especially in the bearing seats. But I might just be crazy.

They don't, some wheels won't allow the spacers to touch at all, some spacers are too large and don't let both of the bearings sit flush with the seat (usually not by much tho). Even bearings with builtins don't always sit flush.

I've stopped using them all together.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 26, 2016, 05:14:36 PM
Another set of Indys, another fucked up, warped baseplate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on October 26, 2016, 06:45:09 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 26, 2016, 05:14:36 PM
Another set of Indys, another fucked up, warped baseplate.

Forged or cast?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 26, 2016, 08:01:38 PM
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Another set of Indys, another fucked up, warped baseplate.
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Forged or cast?

Cast. All wobbly, giant space between the board and baseplate. Just shit quality control.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on October 27, 2016, 01:08:59 PM
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Another set of Indys, another fucked up, warped baseplate.
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Forged or cast?
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Cast. All wobbly, giant space between the board and baseplate. Just shit quality control.

That sucks. From all the probably hundreds of experiences with skate components that I've read all over the internet, especially on here, there isn't a truck that's safe from defects.

I even tried Trackers which every single part of the truck is 100% made in USA, and the yoke wasn't machined properly and had a sharp piece of metal that poked into my bushing and fucked it up. USA or China made doesn't seem to really matter with trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 27, 2016, 01:42:16 PM
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Another set of Indys, another fucked up, warped baseplate.
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Forged or cast?
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Cast. All wobbly, giant space between the board and baseplate. Just shit quality control.
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That sucks. From all the probably hundreds of experiences with skate components that I've read all over the internet, especially on here, there isn't a truck that's safe from defects.

I even tried Trackers which every single part of the truck is 100% made in USA, and the yoke wasn't machined properly and had a sharp piece of metal that poked into my bushing and fucked it up. USA or China made doesn't seem to really matter with trucks.

Ahaha it's funny you say that because there have only been 2 maybe 3 times Ive bought a set of trucks and they came as pictured but all the other times some kind of mix up or blemish/small defect of sorts

Like recently where I bought the last set of ace 03 off SoCal and they sent me one old version with the weak aluminum and one new version with the new better grade aluminum and smoother finish/contour and stiffer bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on October 27, 2016, 02:14:09 PM
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Another set of Indys, another fucked up, warped baseplate.
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Forged or cast?
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Cast. All wobbly, giant space between the board and baseplate. Just shit quality control.

Are you sure its not the board? Sometimes concaves create a gab between baseplate and board.... I've been riding Indy's since the mid 80s and only ever had one set I had to send back...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 27, 2016, 02:58:09 PM
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Another set of Indys, another fucked up, warped baseplate.
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Forged or cast?
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Cast. All wobbly, giant space between the board and baseplate. Just shit quality control.
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Are you sure its not the board? Sometimes concaves create a gab between baseplate and board.... I've been riding Indy's since the mid 80s and only ever had one set I had to send back...
Yea, any flat surface. This is the second set this year.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on October 27, 2016, 05:40:43 PM
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Another set of Indys, another fucked up, warped baseplate.
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Forged or cast?
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Cast. All wobbly, giant space between the board and baseplate. Just shit quality control.
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That sucks. From all the probably hundreds of experiences with skate components that I've read all over the internet, especially on here, there isn't a truck that's safe from defects.

I even tried Trackers which every single part of the truck is 100% made in USA, and the yoke wasn't machined properly and had a sharp piece of metal that poked into my bushing and fucked it up. USA or China made doesn't seem to really matter with trucks.
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Ahaha it's funny you say that because there have only been 2 maybe 3 times Ive bought a set of trucks and they came as pictured but all the other times some kind of mix up or blemish/small defect of sorts

Like recently where I bought the last set of ace 03 off SoCal and they sent me one old version with the weak aluminum and one new version with the new better grade aluminum and smoother finish/contour and stiffer bushings

Your example wasn't a defect though. Just two different designs. Also, Ace's newer design probably isn't even a "stronger" aluminum, it's just more metal on the hanger than before. Someone on here claimed their axles still bend too. But that happens with USA trucks like Indy and Thunder casts. So basically, if you buy a set of trucks that lasts all the way down to the axle without slippage or bending, you got lucky I guess.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 28, 2016, 12:26:26 AM
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Another set of Indys, another fucked up, warped baseplate.
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Forged or cast?
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Cast. All wobbly, giant space between the board and baseplate. Just shit quality control.
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That sucks. From all the probably hundreds of experiences with skate components that I've read all over the internet, especially on here, there isn't a truck that's safe from defects.

I even tried Trackers which every single part of the truck is 100% made in USA, and the yoke wasn't machined properly and had a sharp piece of metal that poked into my bushing and fucked it up. USA or China made doesn't seem to really matter with trucks.
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Ahaha it's funny you say that because there have only been 2 maybe 3 times Ive bought a set of trucks and they came as pictured but all the other times some kind of mix up or blemish/small defect of sorts

Like recently where I bought the last set of ace 03 off SoCal and they sent me one old version with the weak aluminum and one new version with the new better grade aluminum and smoother finish/contour and stiffer bushings
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Your example wasn't a defect though. Just two different designs. Also, Ace's newer design probably isn't even a "stronger" aluminum, it's just more metal on the hanger than before. Someone on here claimed their axles still bend too. But that happens with USA trucks like Indy and Thunder casts. So basically, if you buy a set of trucks that lasts all the way down to the axle without slippage or bending, you got lucky I guess.

idk man, it could just be that but when i spun the wheels the bearing against the old ace axle had a louder metal on metal contact sorta sound while the newer ace had a silentish normal wheel spin sound like every truck when you spin the wheel and just hear the bearing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 28, 2016, 08:04:39 AM
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Another set of Indys, another fucked up, warped baseplate.
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Forged or cast?
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Cast. All wobbly, giant space between the board and baseplate. Just shit quality control.
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That sucks. From all the probably hundreds of experiences with skate components that I've read all over the internet, especially on here, there isn't a truck that's safe from defects.

I even tried Trackers which every single part of the truck is 100% made in USA, and the yoke wasn't machined properly and had a sharp piece of metal that poked into my bushing and fucked it up. USA or China made doesn't seem to really matter with trucks.
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Ahaha it's funny you say that because there have only been 2 maybe 3 times Ive bought a set of trucks and they came as pictured but all the other times some kind of mix up or blemish/small defect of sorts

Like recently where I bought the last set of ace 03 off SoCal and they sent me one old version with the weak aluminum and one new version with the new better grade aluminum and smoother finish/contour and stiffer bushings
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Your example wasn't a defect though. Just two different designs. Also, Ace's newer design probably isn't even a "stronger" aluminum, it's just more metal on the hanger than before. Someone on here claimed their axles still bend too. But that happens with USA trucks like Indy and Thunder casts. So basically, if you buy a set of trucks that lasts all the way down to the axle without slippage or bending, you got lucky I guess.
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idk man, it could just be that but when i spun the wheels the bearing against the old ace axle had a louder metal on metal contact sorta sound while the newer ace had a silentish normal wheel spin sound like every truck when you spin the wheel and just hear the bearing
Post a pic of your aces, close up on the hangars. I heard they didn't even change anything on anything narrower than 44s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on October 28, 2016, 08:44:08 AM
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Another set of Indys, another fucked up, warped baseplate.
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Forged or cast?
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Cast. All wobbly, giant space between the board and baseplate. Just shit quality control.
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That sucks. From all the probably hundreds of experiences with skate components that I've read all over the internet, especially on here, there isn't a truck that's safe from defects.

I even tried Trackers which every single part of the truck is 100% made in USA, and the yoke wasn't machined properly and had a sharp piece of metal that poked into my bushing and fucked it up. USA or China made doesn't seem to really matter with trucks.
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Ahaha it's funny you say that because there have only been 2 maybe 3 times Ive bought a set of trucks and they came as pictured but all the other times some kind of mix up or blemish/small defect of sorts

Like recently where I bought the last set of ace 03 off SoCal and they sent me one old version with the weak aluminum and one new version with the new better grade aluminum and smoother finish/contour and stiffer bushings
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Your example wasn't a defect though. Just two different designs. Also, Ace's newer design probably isn't even a "stronger" aluminum, it's just more metal on the hanger than before. Someone on here claimed their axles still bend too. But that happens with USA trucks like Indy and Thunder casts. So basically, if you buy a set of trucks that lasts all the way down to the axle without slippage or bending, you got lucky I guess.
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idk man, it could just be that but when i spun the wheels the bearing against the old ace axle had a louder metal on metal contact sorta sound while the newer ace had a silentish normal wheel spin sound like every truck when you spin the wheel and just hear the bearing
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Post a pic of your aces, close up on the hangars. I heard they didn't even change anything on anything narrower than 44s.

Correct.  The changes were only done on 44-66.

What you're probably seeing is the shitty Ace quality control.  I've said it before but I've had 2 sets of brand new Aces and they all had different hanger measurements, casting flaws and off center axles.  Literally all 4 hangers were different in some variation
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 28, 2016, 11:55:36 AM
Happens to every brand, I just don't think many pay that much attention. Granted, ACE are notorious for poor quality control. Shame really.

Indy axles still slip.
My Krux axles are different lengths (doesn't affect anything but number of speedwashers).
ACE still bend

Thunder/Venture seem to be the least shoddy when it comes to user complaints.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jake From State Farm on October 28, 2016, 07:03:09 PM
Quote from: Xen on October 28, 2016, 11:55:36 AM
Happens to every brand, I just don't think many pay that much attention. Granted, ACE are notorious for poor quality control. Shame really.

Indy axles still slip.
My Krux axles are different lengths (doesn't affect anything but number of speedwashers).
ACE still bend

Thunder/Venture seem to be the least shoddy when it comes to user complaints.

I've had three sets of Thunders in the past two years that bent within the first month of skating them. Two sets of 151's and one set of 147's.

Aces still bend, for sure. I'm riding 44's now, the back truck is bent pretty badly.

Does anyone have experience with hollow Independents? wanted to give those a try.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 28, 2016, 11:26:12 PM
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Another set of Indys, another fucked up, warped baseplate.
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Forged or cast?
[close]

Cast. All wobbly, giant space between the board and baseplate. Just shit quality control.
[close]

That sucks. From all the probably hundreds of experiences with skate components that I've read all over the internet, especially on here, there isn't a truck that's safe from defects.

I even tried Trackers which every single part of the truck is 100% made in USA, and the yoke wasn't machined properly and had a sharp piece of metal that poked into my bushing and fucked it up. USA or China made doesn't seem to really matter with trucks.
[close]

Ahaha it's funny you say that because there have only been 2 maybe 3 times Ive bought a set of trucks and they came as pictured but all the other times some kind of mix up or blemish/small defect of sorts

Like recently where I bought the last set of ace 03 off SoCal and they sent me one old version with the weak aluminum and one new version with the new better grade aluminum and smoother finish/contour and stiffer bushings
[close]

Your example wasn't a defect though. Just two different designs. Also, Ace's newer design probably isn't even a "stronger" aluminum, it's just more metal on the hanger than before. Someone on here claimed their axles still bend too. But that happens with USA trucks like Indy and Thunder casts. So basically, if you buy a set of trucks that lasts all the way down to the axle without slippage or bending, you got lucky I guess.
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idk man, it could just be that but when i spun the wheels the bearing against the old ace axle had a louder metal on metal contact sorta sound while the newer ace had a silentish normal wheel spin sound like every truck when you spin the wheel and just hear the bearing
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Post a pic of your aces, close up on the hangars. I heard they didn't even change anything on anything narrower than 44s.

(http://i.imgur.com/CcAgMTu.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 28, 2016, 11:27:19 PM
sorry the image is too big, couldnt resize cause imgur is acting up
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on October 29, 2016, 12:04:02 AM
^Looks nice, I like how the black contrasts with the white wheels

Has anyone here tried mini logo's trucks? I saw the review on that one blog but it was so positive, it seems too good to be true
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 29, 2016, 12:13:10 AM
Quote from: GOATMOON on October 29, 2016, 12:04:02 AM
^Looks nice, I like how the black contrasts with the white wheels

Has anyone here tried mini logo's trucks? I saw the review on that one blog but it was so positive, it seems too good to be true

Thanks man, bones stf v5 cause idk I'm over the formula four hype, formula fours are really good wheels don't get me wrong but I need something more stf feel. They feel like what a old school bones wheel had to be but more adapted to street now, like grippy and slidy but now more hard to slide easier but still classic bones grip somehow

I've tried the mini logo trucks too and they're good trucks, light, stable, turns good, they're like a lighter lower more carvy Thunder sorta

They were good but idk, I wasn't really feeling the look cause the aesthetics of your gear can mess you up therefore messing with your whole vibe, cause skating like almost everyone says is mental.

The problem though that really got me off them was the pivot cups, one of the trucks had a snug nice pivot cup and the other truck had this cheap loose plastic pivot cup, so basically the truck with the snug nice cup turned well and was much stable and vise versa for the other truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on October 29, 2016, 06:59:22 AM
Seems like most people here are unhappy with existing truck quality(including me), with quality control becoming more of an issue and all the while prices increase, how much longer can this trend continue? will this force truck companies to start precision manufacturing trucks? are we just out of luck as the fact there is really no better option than the big 4 means its not like we'll be buying a better alternative if we wont to keep skating? is this what the truck companies use to "keep us down"? is it all a matter of cost?.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on October 29, 2016, 09:08:14 AM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on October 29, 2016, 06:59:22 AM
Seems like most people here are unhappy with existing truck quality(including me), with quality control becoming more of an issue and all the while prices increase, how much longer can this trend continue? will this force truck companies to start precision manufacturing trucks? are we just out of luck as the fact there is really no better option than the big 4 means its not like we'll be buying a better alternative if we wont to keep skating? is this what the truck companies use to "keep us down"? is it all a matter of cost?.

I'm not sure this is a problem beyond a thread on a Slap... If you lads are really having so many problems start sending those trucks back. I get OCD, I really do but at some point you just have to skate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on October 29, 2016, 10:49:05 AM
Quote from: N.L. on October 29, 2016, 09:08:14 AM
I'm not sure this is a problem beyond a thread on a Slap... If you lads are really having so many problems start sending those trucks back. I get OCD, I really do but at some point you just have to skate.
Most of the people I know will be skating trucks with completely blown out pivot cups and not give a shit. They just want to skate
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 29, 2016, 10:55:21 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/7djoqDT.jpg?1)
I've now sent 2 sets back this year because of wonky baseplates and 1 set because aluminum from the hangar was melted on to the axle, so I couldn't get a wheel on without grinding the shit off. That's roughly $20 extra dollars in shipping to deal with indy's shit QC
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 29, 2016, 12:03:52 PM
Quote from: N.L. on October 29, 2016, 09:08:14 AM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on October 29, 2016, 06:59:22 AM
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Seems like most people here are unhappy with existing truck quality(including me), with quality control becoming more of an issue and all the while prices increase, how much longer can this trend continue? will this force truck companies to start precision manufacturing trucks? are we just out of luck as the fact there is really no better option than the big 4 means its not like we'll be buying a better alternative if we wont to keep skating? is this what the truck companies use to "keep us down"? is it all a matter of cost?.
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I'm not sure this is a problem beyond a thread on a Slap... If you lads are really having so many problems start sending those trucks back. I get OCD, I really do but at some point you just have to skate.

Trucks cost $50 for a pair and last years. Boards are also cheap and not as exact as some would like. As soon as I head outside I usually step in something unpleasant, smear that into my griptape and proceed to trip/stumble/curse/flop my way along. Each trick attempt wears the board down in uneven ways, the sides get bashed, chips taken out...blah blah. For me boards are already not that evenly weighted or adjusted. Wheels I rotate, but are still all over. My tenuous 'point' is: for me, the small imperfections don't matter. I have maybe 8 set ups going, in various stages of use. Some boards are years old, warped and weird and still fun. I'm not sure why my anxiety and me go to a place of reeeaaaaallly wondering if I should be just cruising around on cast 159s (mine look warped, hadn't noticed till this thread, doesn't do change anything for me) or buying that set of venture 5.25 highs I've been wondering about. Or maybe titanium 149s/159s will flip like 139s but have that fun feel of a wider truck, but with less have the strain on my weak ankles, knees, back, than heavier shit does. Just realized my board is warped too, but it's old and...doesn't bother me. It does suck that so many brands make cheap shit. And I've been hearing from ALOT of people that Indy quality has been really bad lately, guys that were only Indy breaking multiple sets, lots of the younger guys changing to thunder...I hop no one has read this far.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on October 29, 2016, 12:37:01 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 29, 2016, 10:55:21 AM

I've now sent 2 sets back this year because of wonky baseplates and 1 set because aluminum from the hangar was melted on to the axle, so I couldn't get a wheel on without grinding the shit off. That's roughly $20 extra dollars in shipping to deal with indy's shit QC
you shouldn't have to do that, but just put the embases in your oven full heat for 10-15 min and hit them with a hammer to make them right
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on October 29, 2016, 12:49:16 PM
Yeah, so the Trackers with the fucked up yoke. I had a set of Indy's and a set of Gullwing's that had aluminum on the axle and when I pushed my bearing into the wheel I couldn't even get it off. Another time I had a set of Thunders with a warped baseplate that wobbled side to side. Ace's with uneven axles and loose kingpins...

*Passes flashlight*
(http://i.imgur.com/HI23k7Ol.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on October 29, 2016, 12:53:42 PM
I just set up some Indy 159 Hollows. The quality is much higher on these than the regular ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 29, 2016, 06:17:41 PM
Quote from: the snake on October 29, 2016, 12:37:01 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 29, 2016, 10:55:21 AM
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I've now sent 2 sets back this year because of wonky baseplates and 1 set because aluminum from the hangar was melted on to the axle, so I couldn't get a wheel on without grinding the shit off. That's roughly $20 extra dollars in shipping to deal with indy's shit QC
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you shouldn't have to do that, but just put the embases in your oven full heat for 10-15 min and hit them with a hammer to make them right

I'm no blacksmith and my name isn't Cam...
(http://www.catsmob.com/post/2012/05/00835/bad_hiphop_rec_covers_009.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on October 29, 2016, 07:45:12 PM
my bad... ;D
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-u4WM8PCZ_ro/V9TXGHKRyMI/AAAAAAAB4Ys/FAU9rHgcGegnFhqD3eUdFFavgi4wIxlVQCJoC/w426-h349/9%252B62755.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 29, 2016, 07:50:35 PM
Just swapped in some riptides on my thunders...nice.

Even tho they are the indy cups they match height and shape for stock thunders. They're dreamy. No squeak squeak squeakety squeak squeaks anymore. Out of the bag they feel slippery smooth, oily (but not). FYI you ccan order them direct from them and get ace cups.



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 31, 2016, 01:34:47 AM
woah...

guys guys, these ace lows are superb!! :D ;D

theyre light, but solid, the bushings are kinda stiff as known but they rebound really really well and only take like an hour session or 2 sessions to break in super nicely. they feel like a somehow bouncier stable indy or thunder.

i dont know how to say but they just like, turn nice and quick with some carve but rebound to center im afraid to say faster than thunders.

maybe cause theyre cylinder/barrel is why they return to center and stabilize so fast but that urethane is something truly right for a medium tight, they respond to turns nicely

idk so far so very good, only bad thing was because theyre pretty stiff fresh like a slap member said the new bushings required a thread looser to get some response but gotta watch out cause the nyloc nut gets looser and will fall off if you carve around too much and forget the nut isnt flush(cause obviously the nut doesnt have the nylon collar locking it in when not tightened flush or more)

these trucks are the very opposite of how i felt with the tensor lows, just wow expectations exceeded quite a bit

again sorry for the big pic and for these long trash replies, especially on low trucks when lows are for suckers who cant pop or live in the late 90ś/early 2000ś when lows were the only way on a 7.5-7.8 hahaha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on October 31, 2016, 01:40:00 AM
Found some Grind King kingpins for a really really good price if anyone is interested!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grind-King-Kingpin-Set-With-Inserts-/291840114836?hash=item43f306c094:g:PZAAAOSwRGlXp~In (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grind-King-Kingpin-Set-With-Inserts-/291840114836?hash=item43f306c094:g:PZAAAOSwRGlXp~In)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 31, 2016, 01:45:11 AM
Quote from: Main on October 31, 2016, 01:40:00 AM
Found some Grind King kingpins for a really really good price if anyone is interested!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grind-King-Kingpin-Set-With-Inserts-/291840114836?hash=item43f306c094:g:PZAAAOSwRGlXp~In (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grind-King-Kingpin-Set-With-Inserts-/291840114836?hash=item43f306c094:g:PZAAAOSwRGlXp~In)

ahaha are they really guaranteed for life? ::)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 31, 2016, 07:12:16 AM
I rode ACE03s a few years ago, with bones hards, they were wonderful, if not counter-intuitive given I ride loose trucks ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on October 31, 2016, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: rob on October 31, 2016, 01:45:11 AM
Quote from: Main on October 31, 2016, 01:40:00 AM
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Found some Grind King kingpins for a really really good price if anyone is interested!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grind-King-Kingpin-Set-With-Inserts-/291840114836?hash=item43f306c094:g:PZAAAOSwRGlXp~In (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grind-King-Kingpin-Set-With-Inserts-/291840114836?hash=item43f306c094:g:PZAAAOSwRGlXp~In)
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ahaha are they really guaranteed for life? ::)


IDK but they got free shipping haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 01, 2016, 01:07:53 AM
Quote from: Xen on October 31, 2016, 07:12:16 AM
I rode ACE03s a few years ago, with bones hards, they were wonderful, if not counter-intuitive give I ride loose trucks ;)

dude i had another session today and damn, damn damn these are good trucks ;D

these are my definite trucks til axle and more and buy again

theyre all my expectations of what i need in a truck: light, solid, low, and a decent turn

idk guys these ACE03 kinda remind me of my old classic krux downlows, the low solid decent turning feel

i rode those krux downlows for like 3 years then the big board movement came and i stepped it up with some og thunder 147 hi and they were really good, no disappointment. the shape was a bit odd because the hangar looked like a cut out but now theyre remastered and look beautiful but i feel they just took the force trucks mold, that truck company that was really made known for a good min because of pudwill being on

but i had a set of force trucks cause this dude i knew stopped skating for a while and gave me his old stuff(had some bones swiss on it :D) and i noticed the hangar on the force trucks was the exact same way the remastered thunders looked, maybe a little longer on the pivot stem but same contours and all, maybe when deluxe took over venture and maybe they took force too they decided the shape is what they were going for thunder.

i feel the old 147 hi hangars were lighter though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on November 01, 2016, 06:41:31 AM
Quote from: bluntstofakie on October 24, 2016, 04:08:12 PM
Quote from: Ok on October 24, 2016, 01:48:58 PM
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Drop of coconut oil, dry bike chain lube, dish soap...whatever,  in the pivot cup. Usually sorts out the squeaking for me. Thunders yield more consistent flippery for me too. Question: what size trucks did you have on the 7.75? I have this feeling that width is a highly over considered measurement. 8-8.38 who cares. 8" trucks vs 8.5" trucks tho? For me, way different
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For anyone dealing with pivot cup issues, take bmcsteves advice from the first page of this thread and get some finish line dry teflon chain lube. It's more than worth the $5 to have a silent setup.

What process would one use for this lube? I haven't bought any yet. I'm debating if I do or do not care still. When I'm doing tricks I don't notice due to focusing on what I'm doing, but when I'm just cruising I definitely pay attention to the squeak. I've been skating better than I have in a long time since trying these Thunder 147s though. Kinda mad at myself for not trying before. I haven't got to try many grinds yet, but stability and flop tricks seem top notch. Plus, jumping from 7.75 to 8.125 AND different trucks, I'm surprised it's been so easy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 01, 2016, 07:21:58 AM
i am just furious that in the year 2016 no company can guarantee that the axles of their trucks will not slip. It is like theft. Someone please point out a company to guarantee non slip axles and i'm going to buy 10 sets.
never had any problems with trucks apart from slipping axle in pretty much every truck i have owned. Amazing solutions for this problem  have been posted here and being an engineer i know it is super easy (process wise) to make non slip axles.
Or maybe they don't really need to! It is only a matter of having sheep to repeatedly buy faulty goods because there is no other choice.
Dunno, i'm fucking butthurt that's all. 2 seriously defective sets of thunder hollows in the past 6 months and counting...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on November 01, 2016, 08:17:44 AM
Quote from: fang on November 01, 2016, 06:41:31 AM
Quote from: bluntstofakie on October 24, 2016, 04:08:12 PM
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Quote from: Ok on October 24, 2016, 01:48:58 PM
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Drop of coconut oil, dry bike chain lube, dish soap...whatever,  in the pivot cup. Usually sorts out the squeaking for me. Thunders yield more consistent flippery for me too. Question: what size trucks did you have on the 7.75? I have this feeling that width is a highly over considered measurement. 8-8.38 who cares. 8" trucks vs 8.5" trucks tho? For me, way different
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For anyone dealing with pivot cup issues, take bmcsteves advice from the first page of this thread and get some finish line dry teflon chain lube. It's more than worth the $5 to have a silent setup.
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What process would one use for this lube? I haven't bought any yet. I'm debating if I do or do not care still. When I'm doing tricks I don't notice due to focusing on what I'm doing, but when I'm just cruising I definitely pay attention to the squeak. I've been skating better than I have in a long time since trying these Thunder 147s though. Kinda mad at myself for not trying before. I haven't got to try many grinds yet, but stability and flop tricks seem top notch. Plus, jumping from 7.75 to 8.125 AND different trucks, I'm surprised it's been so easy.

Take the hanger off, shake the lube really well (you need to mix the teflon), put 2 small drops in each pivot cup, reassemble and skate.  You'll notice that some leaks out onto the hanger (don't worry it doesnt reach the bushings) wipe that off and you're good to go
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on November 01, 2016, 08:47:33 AM
Quote from: Esquivel on November 01, 2016, 07:21:58 AM
i am just furious that in the year 2016 no company can guarantee that the axles of their trucks will not slip. It is like theft. Someone please point out a company to guarantee non slip axles and i'm going to buy 10 sets.
never had any problems with trucks apart from slipping axle in pretty much every truck i have owned. Amazing solutions for this problem  have been posted here and being an engineer i know it is super easy (process wise) to make non slip axles.
Or maybe they don't really need to! It is only a matter of having sheep to repeatedly buy faulty goods because there is no other choice.
Dunno, i'm fucking butthurt that's all. 2 seriously defective sets of thunder hollows in the past 6 months and counting...

https://www.theevetrucks.com/product/Theeve-TiHANGER-Raw-Trucks (https://www.theevetrucks.com/product/Theeve-TiHANGER-Raw-Trucks)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 01, 2016, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on October 31, 2016, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: rob on October 31, 2016, 01:45:11 AM
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Quote from: Main on October 31, 2016, 01:40:00 AM
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Found some Grind King kingpins for a really really good price if anyone is interested!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grind-King-Kingpin-Set-With-Inserts-/291840114836?hash=item43f306c094:g:PZAAAOSwRGlXp~In (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grind-King-Kingpin-Set-With-Inserts-/291840114836?hash=item43f306c094:g:PZAAAOSwRGlXp~In)
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ahaha are they really guaranteed for life? ::)

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IDK but they got free shipping haha

At $300 US they better....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on November 01, 2016, 12:55:40 PM
Quote from: fang on November 01, 2016, 06:41:31 AM
Quote from: bluntstofakie on October 24, 2016, 04:08:12 PM
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Quote from: Ok on October 24, 2016, 01:48:58 PM
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Drop of coconut oil, dry bike chain lube, dish soap...whatever,  in the pivot cup. Usually sorts out the squeaking for me. Thunders yield more consistent flippery for me too. Question: what size trucks did you have on the 7.75? I have this feeling that width is a highly over considered measurement. 8-8.38 who cares. 8" trucks vs 8.5" trucks tho? For me, way different
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For anyone dealing with pivot cup issues, take bmcsteves advice from the first page of this thread and get some finish line dry teflon chain lube. It's more than worth the $5 to have a silent setup.
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What process would one use for this lube? I haven't bought any yet. I'm debating if I do or do not care still. When I'm doing tricks I don't notice due to focusing on what I'm doing, but when I'm just cruising I definitely pay attention to the squeak. I've been skating better than I have in a long time since trying these Thunder 147s though. Kinda mad at myself for not trying before. I haven't got to try many grinds yet, but stability and flop tricks seem top notch. Plus, jumping from 7.75 to 8.125 AND different trucks, I'm surprised it's been so easy.

Stoked trucks are working out for you! And going up in size, way easier than going down...(sus). Annnnnnyways, as mentioned, BMC with the excellent idea of dry bike chain lube for the pivot cup. You need a small amount, the stuff doesn't cost much, works the best. I just take the hangar off and place a small amount into the cup, using the pivot from the hangar to spread the lube. 2 minute operation. Pretty much the only thing that bugs me about ventures is the squeaky pivot cup, but I'm already usually taking the hangar off to get at the outer baseplate mounting hardware so....glad thunders are working. I have had good experiences with the quality as well
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on November 01, 2016, 01:08:29 PM
Quote from: Esquivel on November 01, 2016, 07:21:58 AM
i am just furious that in the year 2016 no company can guarantee that the axles of their trucks will not slip. It is like theft. Someone please point out a company to guarantee non slip axles and i'm going to buy 10 sets.
never had any problems with trucks apart from slipping axle in pretty much every truck i have owned. Amazing solutions for this problem  have been posted here and being an engineer i know it is super easy (process wise) to make non slip axles.
Or maybe they don't really need to! It is only a matter of having sheep to repeatedly buy faulty goods because there is no other choice.
Dunno, i'm fucking butthurt that's all. 2 seriously defective sets of thunder hollows in the past 6 months and counting...

Axle slip is super annoying. Back when I was actually semi competent on a skateboard it was extremely prevelant, especially Indys. Constantly tapping them on shit. Been a little bit of a venture shill on here lately, which is funnny as I'm skating 139s, but the venture hi geometry feels to me to be in between Indys and thunders, and I haven't had a problem with their quality since the 90's. Use to break em back then, rock solid now. They aren't guaranteed to my knowledge, and for you being out of the US the shipping is most likely the worst part. As mentioned by others, pretty weird that a more precise option doesn't exist
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 01, 2016, 11:18:14 PM
Reason I bought tih's......

I've mentioned that my theory is race reds can really help axel slip.....everything ridden tight....no play....no slip....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Phillip Flathead on November 01, 2016, 11:42:31 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on November 01, 2016, 11:18:14 PM
Reason I bought tih's......

I've mentioned that my theory is race reds can really help axel slip.....everything ridden tight....no play....no slip....

they definitely can if the wheels are poured with precision bearing seats. i think non cored wheels tend to have a pretty large bearing seat spacing variance that prevents them from fully taking advantage of race reds and regular spacers like (cored) longboard wheels do

back to trucks, still running venture 5.2 his pretty loose but considering switching to indy or ace for my next pair
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on November 01, 2016, 11:46:43 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on November 01, 2016, 11:18:14 PM
Reason I bought tih's......

I've mentioned that my theory is race reds can really help axel slip.....everything ridden tight....no play....no slip....

Somehow never gave theeves a try. I will say that I did stare at the $150 ones for a little too long online. Which ones do you have? What's your verdict? Geometry is the overwhelming criteria for me. And by that I mean how is the pop. Haven't had a truck I couldn't get to turn, obviously some better than others.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on November 01, 2016, 11:51:32 PM
Quote from: Phillip Flathead on November 01, 2016, 11:42:31 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on November 01, 2016, 11:18:14 PM
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Reason I bought tih's......

I've mentioned that my theory is race reds can really help axel slip.....everything ridden tight....no play....no slip....
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they definitely can if the wheels are poured with precision bearing seats. i think non cored wheels tend to have a pretty large bearing seat spacing variance that prevents them from fully taking advantage of race reds and regular spacers like (cored) longboard wheels do

back to trucks, still running venture 5.2 his pretty loose but considering switching to indy or ace for my next pair


Venture 5.2 hi's are most likely my next. I have the lows and they are excellent, relegated to 52mm and under is lame tho. I love small wheels, I don't love haaaaving to ride them. Any pro/cons to your venture experience?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on November 01, 2016, 11:58:55 PM
Quote from: Ok on November 01, 2016, 11:51:32 PM
Quote from: Phillip Flathead on November 01, 2016, 11:42:31 PM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on November 01, 2016, 11:18:14 PM
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Reason I bought tih's......

I've mentioned that my theory is race reds can really help axel slip.....everything ridden tight....no play....no slip....
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they definitely can if the wheels are poured with precision bearing seats. i think non cored wheels tend to have a pretty large bearing seat spacing variance that prevents them from fully taking advantage of race reds and regular spacers like (cored) longboard wheels do

back to trucks, still running venture 5.2 his pretty loose but considering switching to indy or ace for my next pair


Venture 5.2 hi's are most likely my next. I have the lows and they are excellent, relegated to 52mm and under is lame tho. I love small wheels, I don't love haaaaving to ride them. Any pro/cons to your venture experience?

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They throw off your tricks, the stock bushings are pretty hard. Great clearance and definitely help with manuals.
From my experience with the his
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 02, 2016, 01:12:46 AM
Quote from: Phillip Flathead on November 01, 2016, 11:42:31 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on November 01, 2016, 11:18:14 PM
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Reason I bought tih's......

I've mentioned that my theory is race reds can really help axel slip.....everything ridden tight....no play....no slip....
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they definitely can if the wheels are poured with precision bearing seats. i think non cored wheels tend to have a pretty large bearing seat spacing variance that prevents them from fully taking advantage of race reds and regular spacers like (cored) longboard wheels do

back to trucks, still running venture 5.2 his pretty loose but considering switching to indy or ace for my next pair


dude, definitely ACEś. aces all the way. the geometry and all make them such an amazing truck. i might have the lows but can tell you aces are like if you got thunders quick turn and light weight in an indy so you still get some carvy turns but more stability and less weight.

plus it wont be such a crazy difference cause i think venture hi and ace hi run at 53mm/53.5mm tall rather than the slightly overwhelming indy standard height at 55mm tall

you notice the 55mm tallness when you start getting tired and notice how much effort it takes to tap the tail to the ground and get some pop. at least thats how i feel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on November 02, 2016, 02:25:05 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on November 01, 2016, 08:17:44 AM
Quote from: fang on November 01, 2016, 06:41:31 AM
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Quote from: bluntstofakie on October 24, 2016, 04:08:12 PM
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Quote from: Ok on October 24, 2016, 01:48:58 PM
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Drop of coconut oil, dry bike chain lube, dish soap...whatever,  in the pivot cup. Usually sorts out the squeaking for me. Thunders yield more consistent flippery for me too. Question: what size trucks did you have on the 7.75? I have this feeling that width is a highly over considered measurement. 8-8.38 who cares. 8" trucks vs 8.5" trucks tho? For me, way different
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For anyone dealing with pivot cup issues, take bmcsteves advice from the first page of this thread and get some finish line dry teflon chain lube. It's more than worth the $5 to have a silent setup.
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What process would one use for this lube? I haven't bought any yet. I'm debating if I do or do not care still. When I'm doing tricks I don't notice due to focusing on what I'm doing, but when I'm just cruising I definitely pay attention to the squeak. I've been skating better than I have in a long time since trying these Thunder 147s though. Kinda mad at myself for not trying before. I haven't got to try many grinds yet, but stability and flop tricks seem top notch. Plus, jumping from 7.75 to 8.125 AND different trucks, I'm surprised it's been so easy.
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Take the hanger off, shake the lube really well (you need to mix the teflon), put 2 small drops in each pivot cup, reassemble and skate.  You'll notice that some leaks out onto the hanger (don't worry it doesnt reach the bushings) wipe that off and you're good to go



Jesus. Sorry guys. Didn't read Steve's post before I chimed in with some redundancy. Apologies
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on November 02, 2016, 06:26:05 AM
back to Thunders again... but wanted to lessen the change from surfy indys, saw these photos of Dylan and Austyn's trucks, and gave the ol Bones Med a try again...without washers.  skated em last night and liked it.

(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag108/arthellman1/dylanthunder_zpszzhjwbo5.png)

(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag108/arthellman1/austynthunder_zpsv4d9zqro.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 02, 2016, 08:50:45 AM
Quote from: Ok on November 01, 2016, 11:46:43 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on November 01, 2016, 11:18:14 PM
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Reason I bought tih's......

I've mentioned that my theory is race reds can really help axel slip.....everything ridden tight....no play....no slip....
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Somehow never gave theeves a try. I will say that I did stare at the $150 ones for a little too long online. Which ones do you have? What's your verdict? Geometry is the overwhelming criteria for me. And by that I mean how is the pop. Haven't had a truck I couldn't get to turn, obviously some better than others.

I have the older design and they work well for me.....the titanium grinds weird but I've accepted it and now like how light they are....they don't really grind down either.....

Haven't  measured them but they feel like a higher truck.....in the Indy, Ace family versus the Thunder, Venture family......I like how they turn but may not address your pop....

With thr cores....I ride bones wheels and they seem to line up well......

I'm with you guys though.....axel slip is annoying.....I went like 20 years of slipping indys.....and my flat ground game isn't getting any better.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Phillip Flathead on November 02, 2016, 11:17:40 AM
Quote from: Ok on November 01, 2016, 11:51:32 PM
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Reason I bought tih's......

I've mentioned that my theory is race reds can really help axel slip.....everything ridden tight....no play....no slip....
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they definitely can if the wheels are poured with precision bearing seats. i think non cored wheels tend to have a pretty large bearing seat spacing variance that prevents them from fully taking advantage of race reds and regular spacers like (cored) longboard wheels do

back to trucks, still running venture 5.2 his pretty loose but considering switching to indy or ace for my next pair


Venture 5.2 hi's are most likely my next. I have the lows and they are excellent, relegated to 52mm and under is lame tho. I love small wheels, I don't love haaaaving to ride them. Any pro/cons to your venture experience?

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They've definitely improved the stock bushings from what they used to be. Ventures seem to require more force to pop but pop more because of the extended wheelbase. No axle bending or slipping. The geometry is a double edged sword, super stable at high speeds but definitely not as maneuverable as Other trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 02, 2016, 11:19:50 AM
Quote from: art hellman on November 02, 2016, 06:26:05 AM
back to Thunders again... but wanted to lessen the change from surfy indys, saw these photos of Dylan and Austyn's trucks, and gave the ol Bones Med a try again...without washers.  skated em last night and liked it.

(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag108/arthellman1/dylanthunder_zpszzhjwbo5.png)

(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag108/arthellman1/austynthunder_zpsv4d9zqro.jpg)

Team plates!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on November 02, 2016, 12:28:58 PM
How do thunders feel with bones bushings instead of the stock?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on November 02, 2016, 12:45:46 PM
a lil less spazzy... but still sharper than Indy w/bones
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on November 02, 2016, 05:25:45 PM
Quote from: GOATMOON on November 02, 2016, 12:28:58 PM
How do thunders feel with bones bushings instead of the stock?

good but it makes the pivot cup more prone to breaking. i was on the thunder hi/bones mediums for about 5 years. gave the 95duro thunder aftermarket bushings a shot and in my experience they're waaaaay better
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: micky682 on November 02, 2016, 05:40:15 PM
If I want a similar feel to the Indy stock bushings, should I get the aftermarket conical orange ones?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on November 02, 2016, 06:15:53 PM
Stock Indy's are 90a cylinder bottoms
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 03, 2016, 12:49:22 AM
Quote from: fang on November 01, 2016, 06:41:31 AM
I've been skating better than I have in a long time since trying these Thunder 147s though. Kinda mad at myself for not trying before. I haven't got to try many grinds yet, but stability and flop tricks seem top notch. Plus, jumping from 7.75 to 8.125 AND different trucks, I'm surprised it's been so easy.
Glad it's been an easy transition for ya. 7.75 → 8.5 and Thunder 149s is doing my head in at the moment. As xen (?) suggested I haven't tighten the kingpins at all so my first two sessions have kinda sucked. Super x2 squirrelly trucks but I will say that at least they return to centre almost immediately and I'm yet to get wheelbite which is surprising me. Maybe I shouldn't have made such a big jump in sizes?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 03, 2016, 02:06:42 AM
Quote from: Xen on November 02, 2016, 11:19:50 AM
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back to Thunders again... but wanted to lessen the change from surfy indys, saw these photos of Dylan and Austyn's trucks, and gave the ol Bones Med a try again...without washers.  skated em last night and liked it.

(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag108/arthellman1/dylanthunder_zpszzhjwbo5.png)

(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag108/arthellman1/austynthunder_zpsv4d9zqro.jpg)
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Team plates!

aha trust, the team plates/gravity cast plates just give more board feel even though theyre thicker they just give you a more solid feel. thats why i only do gravity cast, no forged cause the feel is odd
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Turtle Boy on November 03, 2016, 11:29:10 AM
I'm on some 139 Indys, but I cannot stand the axle slip anymore, I live in Europe so I guess no warranty for me... I only rode Indys for the last 10 years, but I just can't stand the axle slip anymore. I have to stomp my truck every 15 minutes and it's just not bearable anymore.

My question is about Thunders, never had Thunders and wanted to try, but I don't want to deal with any slippage. Does Thunder has the same issue with slippage?
What are you feedbacks?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 03, 2016, 12:17:31 PM
In the 80s, indys were a guaranteed sip, had to bang that shit back in place every session, that's why we all switched to thunders or ventures back then, they did slip but to a lesser degree.

I hear thunders getting slip, but that's only here on slap where I'd say more people have indys slip than thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on November 03, 2016, 04:55:00 PM
Quote from: Turtle Boy on November 03, 2016, 11:29:10 AM
I'm on some 139 Indys, but I cannot stand the axle slip anymore, I live in Europe so I guess no warranty for me... I only rode Indys for the last 10 years, but I just can't stand the axle slip anymore. I have to stomp my truck every 15 minutes and it's just not bearable anymore.

My question is about Thunders, never had Thunders and wanted to try, but I don't want to deal with any slippage. Does Thunder has the same issue with slippage?
What are you feedbacks?



I've had Axle slip with every truck i've had, except for thunders and indy's. I do hear that Indy's slip a lot, but I'm currently with a set of Koston Indy's stage XI that are forget and hollow and they dont have any sign of slip, even after almost 2 years of use. Maybe it's the hollow axle that it's better designed, dunno.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on November 03, 2016, 06:48:23 PM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on November 03, 2016, 12:49:22 AM
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I've been skating better than I have in a long time since trying these Thunder 147s though. Kinda mad at myself for not trying before. I haven't got to try many grinds yet, but stability and flop tricks seem top notch. Plus, jumping from 7.75 to 8.125 AND different trucks, I'm surprised it's been so easy.
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Glad it's been an easy transition for ya. 7.75 → 8.5 and Thunder 149s is doing my head in at the moment. As xen (?) suggested I haven't tighten the kingpins at all so my first two sessions have kinda sucked. Super x2 squirrelly trucks but I will say that at least they return to centre almost immediately and I'm yet to get wheelbite which is surprising me. Maybe I shouldn't have made such a big jump in sizes?

That first session, I was all over the place. Second session I just did a bunch of fullspeed skating/carving through the city to break bushings in. Third session I started doing flip tricks and stuff. I think it took me 4 to get used to it. The board looks huge to me when I'm not on it. Visually, I prefer the look of the small boards. So far in my 8.125 era, I do feel like I am landing more solid/securely. I am seriously blown away at how consistent my flip tricks have been with Thunder though. I do think that second session helped me, I did my old time run through my entire city and carved as much as possible. I feel like this helped me get used to Thunder and this big board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on November 03, 2016, 06:58:11 PM
I've never had any slip with Indys. 1986-2016. I broke one kingpin, right before they went to stage IX. A kickflip off a sidewalk, I was dumbfounded. I held the board, stared at for a long time, did not even know how to react. Had I known they were about to change the hanger, I would have bought 1000 pairs of stage VII's and VIII's though.

I had axle slip with the Venture featherlites in 92, and whatever Ventures in 94-97. Not TOO bad, just here and there. And I skated good on Ventures, enough so that I didn't mind.
I definitely had axle slip with trying Destructos in '99 possibly. I believe my review of those trucks were: "Not bad, not good", if that makes any sense. I think my thought process was that I could maybe ollie higher like Reese "the Forbinator" Forbes at that time. I definitely couldn't and should have taken it as a sign when he didn't win his own ollie challenge.

I think the most wacky trucks I've seen were Orions. My younger skate friend was really into Kareem "Reemo" Campbell, and bought some because that was Kareem's sponsor (probably rode Ventures or Indys). He asked me "Can you make these loose like Kareem's?" , one of the funniest things I've ever heard. (he asked me to tighten/loosen all his shit all the time, I swear he had a phobia of tools. Later he became addicted to crack for a few years, and only listened to bands with dead band members: Doors, Blind Melon, Alice in Chains etc. Now he's sober and wants to be a lawyer).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on November 03, 2016, 07:00:18 PM
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Drop of coconut oil, dry bike chain lube, dish soap...whatever,  in the pivot cup. Usually sorts out the squeaking for me. Thunders yield more consistent flippery for me too. Question: what size trucks did you have on the 7.75? I have this feeling that width is a highly over considered measurement. 8-8.38 who cares. 8" trucks vs 8.5" trucks tho? For me, way different
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For anyone dealing with pivot cup issues, take bmcsteves advice from the first page of this thread and get some finish line dry teflon chain lube. It's more than worth the $5 to have a silent setup.
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What process would one use for this lube? I haven't bought any yet. I'm debating if I do or do not care still. When I'm doing tricks I don't notice due to focusing on what I'm doing, but when I'm just cruising I definitely pay attention to the squeak. I've been skating better than I have in a long time since trying these Thunder 147s though. Kinda mad at myself for not trying before. I haven't got to try many grinds yet, but stability and flop tricks seem top notch. Plus, jumping from 7.75 to 8.125 AND different trucks, I'm surprised it's been so easy.
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Take the hanger off, shake the lube really well (you need to mix the teflon), put 2 small drops in each pivot cup, reassemble and skate.  You'll notice that some leaks out onto the hanger (don't worry it doesnt reach the bushings) wipe that off and you're good to go

Cool, thanks Steve, I'm gonna try this when I get the chance. I'm always nervous taking the hangers off after getting used to a truck, like I won't find that same good spot again. :-S
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 03, 2016, 07:28:43 PM
Quote from: fang on November 03, 2016, 06:48:23 PM
That first session, I was all over the place. Second session I just did a bunch of fullspeed skating/carving through the city to break bushings in. Third session I started doing flip tricks and stuff. I think it took me 4 to get used to it. The board looks huge to me when I'm not on it. Visually, I prefer the look of the small boards. So far in my 8.125 era, I do feel like I am landing more solid/securely. I am seriously blown away at how consistent my flip tricks have been with Thunder though. I do think that second session helped me, I did my old time run through my entire city and carved as much as possible. I feel like this helped me get used to Thunder and this big board.
Thanks for that mate, I'll have another few rolls before winter kicks in and see how it goes. I think the sheer length of this board (as opposed to the width) is what's doing my head in/ messing with my pop the most. Bombing hills has never been so fun so maybe I'll just focus on that for the meantime.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on November 03, 2016, 08:10:31 PM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on November 03, 2016, 07:28:43 PM
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That first session, I was all over the place. Second session I just did a bunch of fullspeed skating/carving through the city to break bushings in. Third session I started doing flip tricks and stuff. I think it took me 4 to get used to it. The board looks huge to me when I'm not on it. Visually, I prefer the look of the small boards. So far in my 8.125 era, I do feel like I am landing more solid/securely. I am seriously blown away at how consistent my flip tricks have been with Thunder though. I do think that second session helped me, I did my old time run through my entire city and carved as much as possible. I feel like this helped me get used to Thunder and this big board.
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Thanks for that mate, I'll have another few rolls before winter kicks in and see how it goes. I think the sheer length of this board (as opposed to the width) is what's doing my head in/ messing with my pop the most. Bombing hills has never been so fun so maybe I'll just focus on that for the meantime.

What size is the board? I have a mental block against longer boards. I can't go over 31.7 (keep in mind that I am 5'8" here!). They just feel too long to my short ass legs. When I'm looking through websites and I see something I like until I check the length. If I see 32-anything I quit. For example, the new Bino Hero AH deck? "Man that is awesome, I'd really like to skate that, oh wait... 33" long? 15" wheelbase? You gotta be like 7'9" for that to make sense". Do keep in mind, I basically rode 7.63 x 31.25 from eh 1998 until I "moved up" to 7.75 a few months ago. (Prior to 98,probably 7.5 from what 94?!). I only decided to "sell out" and ride a wider board because of the recurring rear-foot-kicking-my-board-away-upon-re-entry-of-kickflips (which I mostly attributed to newer style Indys/my rustiness from never getting to skate/ and possibly skinny decks). I'm trying to be a little open minded, now that I'm 40. I feel like I have to try some new stuff to"grow" (a big part of this , is having my son and I know I'm a total jerk in daily life, so I'm trying to force myself to be nicer/better person. I figure it can't hurt to adapt it into my skating too... I've been anti-boards over 7.88 since ...93? 94? but well I'm skating decent with this 8.125 so, I'm trying to just go with it. (I have recurring panic/anxiety about my choice to try new trucks/wide decks on and offall day long at work while I fantasize that I'm skating instead of being at work. I go back and forth about being open minded on my wide deck and Thunders.. whilst pondering the sweet, safe , nostalgia and comfort of some baggy jeans, skinny deck and Venture Lo's, while wearing thick/stiff/bulky tech shoes)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 03, 2016, 08:42:04 PM
Hahaha your post had my laughing for sure, gotta love that old man anxiety.
It's an 8.5 x 32.88 (see the setup thread) ... I probably should have checked the length before impulse buying it ttyt but I was buying a board for my son and just chucked it in the shopping cart to save on shipping. I rode 7.75 for as long as I can remember but as I said, the width isn't really fucking with me as much as I thought it would, I'm guessing half of it is all in my head but it feels like a bit of surfboard when I'm trying tricks. I'll have another few rolls on it and if it doesn't work out I'll just bite the bullet, sell it on here and then pay to get a new board shipped out :-\
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 03, 2016, 08:44:49 PM
Don't worry man if it doesn't work just make sure you remember, wheel base. Gah so much of a difference with this 14 inch compared to my last real with I think 14.18-14.25 wheel base
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 04, 2016, 12:33:05 AM
I don't know how to get back in to the mindset years ago, where I didn't give a shit and just rode Ventures.  My problem lies in I have this idea that I can't skate tranny on them. I need to go watch some Wade Speyer footage.

I think if Thunder 147 Hi's were actually high, or at least the same height as the 149s, I wouldn't be having this problem.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 04, 2016, 07:01:21 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 04, 2016, 12:33:05 AM
I don't know how to get back in to the mindset years ago, where I didn't give a shit and just rode Ventures.  My problem lies in I have this idea that I can't skate tranny on them. I need to go watch some Wade Speyer footage.

I think if Thunder 147 Hi's were actually high, or at least the same height as the 149s, I wouldn't be having this problem.

Use team plates or risers? Team plates only add a few MM tho, but it helps.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiIiAtl5pQk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiIiAtl5pQk#)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 04, 2016, 08:30:16 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 04, 2016, 12:33:05 AM
I don't know how to get back in to the mindset years ago, where I didn't give a shit and just rode Ventures.  My problem lies in I have this idea that I can't skate tranny on them. I need to go watch some Wade Speyer footage.

I think if Thunder 147 Hi's were actually high, or at least the same height as the 149s, I wouldn't be having this problem.

I skate thunders and small risers on my ramp set up....I don't really want to carve anyhow....longer wheelbase helps too.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on November 04, 2016, 09:08:30 AM
I was going to pick up some ventures yesterday, but the shop didn't have the size I needed  :'(

So instead I pulled the trigger on some AVE stage 11's! Even though I avoided them, I haven't actually rode indys in almost a decade. I figure I'll give them a fair shake and get the ventures anyway, I don't like spending so willy nilly but trucks are an investment lol.

These stage 11's are weird though, I just messed around outside and my immediate impressions were:

-weird turn, super tippy, but slow to actually change direction
-weird pop, way late, but works

weird.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 04, 2016, 10:17:38 AM
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I don't know how to get back in to the mindset years ago, where I didn't give a shit and just rode Ventures.  My problem lies in I have this idea that I can't skate tranny on them. I need to go watch some Wade Speyer footage.

I think if Thunder 147 Hi's were actually high, or at least the same height as the 149s, I wouldn't be having this problem.
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I skate thunders and small risers on my ramp set up....I don't really want to carve anyhow....longer wheelbase helps too.....
I got these 147 titanium's used from skate santa. I can't even skate right now because of a busted ankle and it's ridiculous how much just having these things in my place is messing with me. I feel like Gollum. They're on ebay in the hopes they go away.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on November 04, 2016, 12:18:03 PM
Skate gollum. Amazing. Level and fang thanks for making me laugh
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on November 04, 2016, 02:28:08 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 04, 2016, 10:17:38 AM
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I don't know how to get back in to the mindset years ago, where I didn't give a shit and just rode Ventures.  My problem lies in I have this idea that I can't skate tranny on them. I need to go watch some Wade Speyer footage.

I think if Thunder 147 Hi's were actually high, or at least the same height as the 149s, I wouldn't be having this problem.
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I skate thunders and small risers on my ramp set up....I don't really want to carve anyhow....longer wheelbase helps too.....
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I got these 147 titanium's used from skate santa. I can't even skate right now because of a busted ankle and it's ridiculous how much just having these things in my place is messing with me. I feel like Gollum. They're on ebay in the hopes they go away.

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5767/30691623181_8ffc690885_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/NL7AhV)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 05, 2016, 03:31:39 PM
So if you hate risers that stick out as much as I do, Bones fit almost perfectly under Thunders. Way better than anything, includinggiant Thunder risers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 05, 2016, 10:00:20 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 05, 2016, 03:31:39 PM
So if you hate risers that stick out as much as I do, Bones fit almost perfectly under Thunders. Way better than anything, includinggiant Thunder risers.

thats crazy i thought only krooked and thunder risers worked for thunders since they dont have the pre drilled holes but just like pre cuts for adjusting
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on November 06, 2016, 01:02:49 AM
I've always used Shorty's Dooks hard plastic risers with Indy's and Ace and they fit perfectly and don't stick out at all. Six hole drill pattern.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 06, 2016, 07:34:00 PM
what are your guys top truck list?

my top 5 so far:
Ace
Thunder
Krux
Indy
venture

yes that is my best to worst, ventures not being THE worst but just 5th
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on November 06, 2016, 08:25:09 PM
Maybe:

1. Thunder
2. Venture
3. Indy
4. Ace
5. Theeve

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on November 06, 2016, 08:33:40 PM
1. Indy
2. fuck
3. fuck
4. fuck
5. fuck

 ;D

1. Indy
2. thunder
3. krux (never tried, but you can open beers with)
4. venture(not a fan)
5. minilogo or theeve (heard good things about, but never tried)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on November 06, 2016, 08:41:41 PM
1.thunder
2.indy
3.the shitty trucks i got from a tony hawk target board
4.
5.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on November 06, 2016, 09:41:29 PM
1. Thunder 147's
2. Venture
3. Thunder 149's
4. Tie between Ace/Krux (Ace are more "fun", Krux more reliable)
5. Indy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 06, 2016, 11:08:43 PM
awwww damn you guys reminded me i had a set of theeves, idk how i really feel but ill tie them with indy cause theyre very true turning trucks and good pop response but they kinda lack that special something something that gives personality, they just feel like good true turn trucks but nothing standout

mini logo i actually place above venture, theyre low like a venture lo but feel like a thunder hi so thats a plus
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on November 07, 2016, 11:14:38 AM
I'm not a truck nerd like the rest of you guys. This thread is nuts, but I enjoy browsing it. Anyway, I've been on this destructors since the spring. 139mm mids. They are all stock and I don't tighten or loosen my trucks when I get them.

[img=100x50]https://i.imgur.com/rjYn9dJ.jpg[/img]
[img=100x50]https://i.imgur.com/0iF6MqC.jpg[/img]
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on November 07, 2016, 11:21:09 AM
Quote from: TwisT on November 07, 2016, 11:14:38 AM
I'm not a truck nerd like the rest of you guys. This thread is nuts, but I enjoy browsing it. Anyway, I've been on this destructors since the spring. 139mm mids. They are all stock and I don't tighten or loosen my trucks when I get them.
Well if I remember correctly from my younger years. Destructos come with VERY good bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on November 07, 2016, 11:54:21 AM
Quote from: rob on November 06, 2016, 07:34:00 PM
what are your guys top truck list?

my top 5 so far:
Ace
Thunder
Krux
Indy
venture

yes that is my best to worst, ventures not being THE worst but just 5th

1)Indy
2)Thunder/ Ace
4)Krux
5)Venture (although I haven't ridden them since the BPSW era...)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on November 07, 2016, 12:34:48 PM
Someone should unearth some Mercury Trucks
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Post by: Julz on November 07, 2016, 02:12:27 PM
... Or a set of glow in the dark kre-per.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yapple dapple on November 07, 2016, 07:17:53 PM
Quote from: rob on November 06, 2016, 07:34:00 PM
what are your guys top truck list?

Venture 5.2 V-hollow high
Venture 5.8 high
Indy 139 stage 10
Z-rollers
Gullwing of course, these in particular...
(http://freeridesurfshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/gullwing_sidewinder_trucks.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on November 07, 2016, 07:27:41 PM
Quote from: rob on November 06, 2016, 07:34:00 PM
what are your guys top truck list?

Indy
Thunder
Theeve
Venture

Really looking to try different brands because of the bad influence Slap is haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 08, 2016, 01:01:09 AM
Indy
Theeve
Ace
Thunder
G&S
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 08, 2016, 02:16:33 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on November 08, 2016, 01:01:09 AM
Indy
Theeve
Ace
Thunder
G&S

Aha G&S made trucks ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 08, 2016, 10:40:09 AM
Phantom 2
Phantom 1
Fury
Kreeper ( am i making this up or did they have glow in the dark trucks?)
and Royal....

But for real, I've been on indys so long i can't remember how any other trucks were, obviously thunder would be second and the set of royals i had were so god awful i traded my friend trucks.

i have been super curious about ace for a while though just afraid to pull the trigger

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on November 08, 2016, 10:58:26 AM

Quote from: rob on November 06, 2016, 07:34:00 PM
what are your guys top truck list?


1.Destructo
2.Indy
3.Theeve
5. Thunder/Venture
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 08, 2016, 11:01:11 AM
Venture
Thunder
Ace
Krux
Indy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 08, 2016, 11:26:42 AM
ACE
Theeve
Thunder
Venture
Indy
Krux
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on November 08, 2016, 04:10:42 PM
My top all time:
1) Indy stage VIII 126
2) Venture featherlights (lites?)
3) Venture Lo 5.0
4) Indy stage VII 136
5) Indy stage VI 149/159
6) Indy stage V 169

Top currently:
1) Venture Lo 5.25
2) Venture Lo 5.0
3) Thunder 147 Hi
4) Indy stage X 129
5) Indy stage XI 139

All of my ratings are based on where I was skating-wise at the time (including tricks/comfort/confidence/etc) . I definitely was at my "total peak" overall with Indy stage VIII. My first "semi-peak" was BPSW era Ventures. And my "declining peak" was Venture Lo 5.0s. Funny to think that I had 169's on a Rob Roskopp in 86, I bet that looked huge compared to my 10 year old body. Again, I am really enjoying my Thunders, so my information on them is incomplete, as I've only used them the last month here, and I get to skate sporadically so that's whatever. And I keep Venture above them due to knowing I can hop on them and just feel regular. Still getting used to the turn/flip/grind of Thunder. Also my stage XI Indy info is incomplete, as I didn't really skate them that much. And I have multiple setups, although I currently only am riding the 8.125 w/ Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 08, 2016, 07:08:50 PM
Funny thing, back in my prime, when I was skating at my very, very best, I rode these:

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/z2gAAOxy69JTBF1J/s-l400.jpg)

Gullwing Street Shadows...because hensley road them.

Back then, we still used risers, these had the extra height built in, they were lighter than indy and skated just fine.

(http://www.skatenoize.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/jeffkendall.jpg)

Look at dem hangers!

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 08, 2016, 08:42:38 PM
Damn talk about solid baseplates haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on November 09, 2016, 06:47:00 AM
Quote from: Xen on November 08, 2016, 07:08:50 PM
Funny thing, back in my prime, when I was skating at my very, very best, I rode these:

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/z2gAAOxy69JTBF1J/s-l400.jpg)

Gullwing Street Shadows...because hensley road them.

Back then, we still used risers, these had the extra height built in, they were lighter than indy and skated just fine.

(http://www.skatenoize.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/jeffkendall.jpg)

Look at dem hangers!



I had the hensley with the window graphic, with Gullwing street shadows and ollie wheels just like him. I never got used to it though. Right before that I had a world Jeremy Klein with indys , supercush bushings , Swiss and Powell freestyle wheels. That board was fun. Only board that ever got stolen from me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 09, 2016, 03:14:00 PM
I think I rode the street shadows no riser......I remember already starting to try and lower things......venture was a big deal around then too... I still think of Gonz as a Venture guy....Natas was a Thunder guy.....don't believe the love letters.....it wasn't all Indy.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on November 09, 2016, 07:34:52 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on November 09, 2016, 03:14:00 PM
I think I rode the street shadows no riser......I remember already starting to try and lower things......venture was a big deal around then too... I still think of Gonz as a Venture guy....Natas was a Thunder guy.....don't believe the love letters.....it wasn't all Indy.....

Yeah Indy trucks aren't bad but the Indy brotherhood thing is dumb.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 09, 2016, 10:21:21 PM
Right up there with Thrasher......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: handsclapanin on November 11, 2016, 10:57:16 AM
Quote from: Xen on November 08, 2016, 07:08:50 PM
Funny thing, back in my prime, when I was skating at my very, very best, I rode these:

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/z2gAAOxy69JTBF1J/s-l400.jpg)

Gullwing Street Shadows...because hensley road them.

Back then, we still used risers, these had the extra height built in, they were lighter than indy and skated just fine.

(http://www.skatenoize.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/jeffkendall.jpg)

Look at dem hangers!



Haha. I had those trucks too back in the day. The only time I ever ordered a board from CCS or some other mailorder. It was a Smallroom board, those Gullwing street shadows (they were all black though, baseplate and hanger), and some black Bullet 60mm (the smaller, street wheel). The board was black too. I loved that thing. Can't remember if it had risers or not.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on November 12, 2016, 06:15:15 AM
The history of Indy/stages are easily available.
Anyone know a place online with the history of Thunder and Venture are?
I'd like to see the evolution of their trucks from the beginning as well
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 12, 2016, 10:23:06 AM
Quote from: fang on November 12, 2016, 06:15:15 AM
The history of Indy/stages are easily available.
Anyone know a place online with the history of Thunder and Venture are?
I'd like to see the evolution of their trucks from the beginning as well

 ;)
https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=105448&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 (https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=105448&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Doughboy on November 12, 2016, 10:52:14 AM
Quote from: fang on November 12, 2016, 06:15:15 AM
The history of Indy/stages are easily available.
Anyone know a place online with the history of Thunder and Venture are?
I'd like to see the evolution of their trucks from the beginning as well
I am a nerd when it comes to the history of skate gear and stories behind how certain brands came to be and blah, blah, blah...
To the best of what I could gather last winter when it was snowing and I had nothing better to do other than research old skate stuff, I found some of these things...
Thunder-
https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=105448&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 (https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=105448&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
Shrewgy has a really good post on page 2 of the above thread link. He was like an old TM for Thunder and Spitfire back in the day and I think he has something to do with Ace now.
Venture-
https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=146993&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=ermico&start=0 (https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=146993&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=ermico&start=0)

https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=130128&highlight=thunder (https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=130128&highlight=thunder)

Skate library also has some really cool pics of old ads on the brand pages of Thunder and Venture. In some of the ads you can kinda see what the older versions of the trucks looked like and stuff.
http://skately.com/library (http://skately.com/library)

Whenever it's snowing or I'm injured I like to feed my brain with old truck info... Just kinda sucks that alot of the pictures in those threads and stuff are so old that they are no longer showing up, but oh well.
(https://s25.postimg.org/maqtoq17z/thunder_trucks_only_thunder_1998.jpg)
Edit: Xen I noticed I posted the same link that you posted, I wasn't trying to "steal your THUNDER"  ;)




Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on November 12, 2016, 11:30:44 AM
Wow, thanks guys, awesome info here.
I checked skately before posting that. Thought it was odd that both trucks libraries are kinda empty pertaining to 1990-1994?

What spawned my thoughts on this was this:
In december 1992, I bought the Plan B Sheffey Malcolm X deck and I asked the guy at the shop for Ventures.
I didn't watch what he put in the bag, I paid then left. I drove 25 minutes home, opened the bag and saw "Thunder" on my baseplate.
I flipped out (at home). "How dare this mere peasant giveth to me Thunder, when having requested Venture!"
Anyway, I went back and his nonchalant attitude irritated me even more: "They're basically the same"
I said "Yeah except where one is called Thunder and one is called Venture" (I was 16 and a prick, keep that in mind)
Anyway, I still have that Sheffey board, complete with the Ventures. BUT I was wondering what the Thunders of that period looked like.
(The outside of the hangar mostly, which so far in the Thunder thread, the pics are mostly the underneath side. I am guessing they're the T-4's though.)

P.S. the pics of the original Featherlights in theVenture thread are great! Loved those
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 12, 2016, 04:11:19 PM
Thunder I don't think really picked up steam until the late 90's?  Early 2000's?  I'd say they hold down number two relatively well now.....not saying no one skated them but they seem more popular now.....good read....the ads used to have S&M shit in them I think......

I would have been pissed if someone had swapped a set of thunders for ventures too....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on November 12, 2016, 07:45:05 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on November 12, 2016, 04:11:19 PM
Thunder I don't think really picked up steam until the late 90's?  Early 2000's?  I'd say they hold down number two relatively well now.....not saying no one skated them but they seem more popular now.....good read....the ads used to have S&M shit in them I think......

I would have been pissed if someone had swapped a set of thunders for ventures too....



Yeah, I distinctly remember thunders being thought of as a "budget/beginners" truck (which doesn't make any sense). But in the 00's Indy and Venture were the trucks to ride, I don't really understand why thunder wasn't as well respected.

Does anyone else remember thunder always playing second fiddle? Could just be my area.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 12, 2016, 08:32:17 PM
Indy was all there was, when the scene changed and street stared to come up, anything else was considered inferior...gullwings were heavy and vert trucks, trackers were also vert centric; the thunder and venture era was the birth of street and death of vert so they were viewed as second rate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on November 12, 2016, 09:14:21 PM
I found out something shocking over the last few days.. I actually don't mind the stage 11 indy's. Even with big clunky 57mm conicals, I felt pretty comfortable. It made me realize how much we exaggerate the differences between trucks. There's a reason some people don't geek out like we do lol. I'm going to give ventures another good shot, then I might just stick with venture and indy. The wheel bite on thunders makes me nervous.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on November 12, 2016, 09:19:00 PM
Quote from: Xen on November 12, 2016, 08:32:17 PM
Indy was all there was, when the scene changed and street stared to come up, anything else was considered inferior...gullwings were heavy and vert trucks, trackers were also vert centric; the thunder and venture era was the birth of street and death of vert so they were viewed as second rate.


You're right, Indy held a lot of sway for a long time. I know in my circle indy was the pinnacle of skating, the standard!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 12, 2016, 10:13:54 PM
Yeah Indy played catch up for awhile because they had a higher geometry and were at least perceived as heavier...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 13, 2016, 09:29:29 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on November 12, 2016, 10:13:54 PM
Yeah Indy played catch up for awhile because they had a higher geometry and were at least perceived as heavier...

Yyup, Theeve, ACE and Thunder stepped up their game while indy waited on the Stage XI; yet they are still trailing in terms of weight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 13, 2016, 11:16:35 AM
a ton of people could care less about weight....and just like how they turn so I get why people skate indys.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tracer on November 13, 2016, 11:31:39 AM
I used to skate krux a lot. Had the downlows, the low kingpin and lightweight design stood out.

This was maybe 8 years ago, are they still solid?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on November 13, 2016, 04:59:42 PM
Quote from: Xen on November 12, 2016, 10:23:06 AM
Quote from: fang on November 12, 2016, 06:15:15 AM
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The history of Indy/stages are easily available.
Anyone know a place online with the history of Thunder and Venture are?
I'd like to see the evolution of their trucks from the beginning as well
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 ;)
https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=105448&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 (https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=105448&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

went through the thunder ad's - never knew karl watson, gino, kalis, gall etc rode thunders

seems like most pros have been on the big 3- venture, indy or thunder at one point or another in their careers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on November 13, 2016, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: fulfillthedream on November 13, 2016, 04:59:42 PM
Quote from: Xen on November 12, 2016, 10:23:06 AM
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Quote from: fang on November 12, 2016, 06:15:15 AM
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The history of Indy/stages are easily available.
Anyone know a place online with the history of Thunder and Venture are?
I'd like to see the evolution of their trucks from the beginning as well
[close]

 ;)
https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=105448&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 (https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=105448&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
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went through the thunder ad's - never knew karl watson, gino, kalis, gall etc rode thunders

seems like most pros have been on the big 3- venture, indy or thunder at one point or another in their careers

Believe Mariano and Rudy Johnson rode thunders in their early Blind days as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 14, 2016, 04:08:56 AM
Quote from: Tracer on November 13, 2016, 11:31:39 AM
I used to skate krux a lot. Had the downlows, the low kingpin and lightweight design stood out.

This was maybe 8 years ago, are they still solid?

Those were my first real trucks and goto for 4-5 years of my skating from the beginning cause they were exactly that, low, light, and big grind clearance. They're not really solid in my opinion anymore, the krux bushings are too soft for the kinda long downlow Allen ball kingpin. I bought 2 sets of the newly remastered/current krux downlows cause I thought they would be like the old ones but better.

I was wrong, the bushings were nice and no break in but because they're so soft they didn't fair well with the low design and because theyre lows I had to tighten the trucks til the threads side/end dug a little into my deck caise it was the only way to get stability and some wheel bite clearance. Also I don't like the feeling of forged plates so the new krux downlows were very upsetting to me. I wish they made a k4 downlow but Ron Whaley krux tm said the cast plates eventually get worn inside with the Allen kingpin nut moving around and the forged were stronger and better for the upside down pin

I like how committed(like rowley) tommy Sandoval is/was about his trucks too. He would ride the classic krux downlow 3.5/7.6 on 8.25 decks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 15, 2016, 03:44:04 AM
right guys, i am sick and tired of having slipping axle and have a set of royals that was handed to me (given away because both axles are slipping, don't know what model) lying around and think i am going to experiment. i had a quick chat with the welder at work and he said that welding the axle to the hanger could be possible and if it happened successfully then the two would merge into one piece. I believe the set of royals is ideal to try this because
a)they are crap so no big deal if they get destroyed in the process and
b)a great portion of the axle is accessible for welding. Have any people here tried this before? Maybe someone with welding knowledge? I was mainly worried that the truck would warp from the heat or maybe from uneven stress distribution but the guy at work assured me this is not going to happen and he was mostly worried that the weld would either be amazing or a total fuckup with parts not sticking at all.

any thoughts on this?

also, i want to ask if people have skated the thunder 149 tits because i had the hollow lights twice and think this is the ideal truck for my taste, though the axle slipped in 3 out of 4 hangers and i am hoping this is not going to happen on a more premium product. Then again i may be fooling my self. Thanks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on November 16, 2016, 06:28:46 PM
Where would you weld the hanger to the axle? i dont have any experience in welding but sounds like a cool idea. i think under the hanger where you can see the two small slits of the axle would be a ideal place? let us know how this turns out!

 the last three sets of trucks (indy and two sets of thunders)  ive owned have had a very small axle slip - so minimal i cannot notice. the only truck that was unbareable was Ace's i got (defective batch) to a point where i couldn't ride em.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: micky682 on November 16, 2016, 06:38:57 PM
Are the Indy aftermarket bushings meant to fit on Indy trucks with both washers on? I can barely get mine on and still be able to tighten the nut on the kingpin.

edit: I bought the 90a Indy Conical bushings. The orange ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on November 16, 2016, 06:52:32 PM
Quote from: micky682 on November 16, 2016, 06:38:57 PM
Are the Indy aftermarket bushings meant to fit on Indy trucks with both washers on? I can barely get mine on and still be able to tighten the nut on the kingpin.

edit: I bought the 90a Indy Conical bushings. The orange ones.

If you're riding Indy Standard Hi's and bought the standard bushings, there shouldn't be an issue getting them on with the washers. Sounds like you might have bought standard bushings and are trying to put them on a low truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: micky682 on November 16, 2016, 07:23:05 PM
Quote from: Main on November 16, 2016, 06:52:32 PM
Quote from: micky682 on November 16, 2016, 06:38:57 PM
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Are the Indy aftermarket bushings meant to fit on Indy trucks with both washers on? I can barely get mine on and still be able to tighten the nut on the kingpin.

edit: I bought the 90a Indy Conical bushings. The orange ones.
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If you're riding Indy Standard Hi's and bought the standard bushings, there shouldn't be an issue getting them on with the washers. Sounds like you might have bought standard bushings and are trying to put them on a low truck.
Do they make 149 in low?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 16, 2016, 07:30:19 PM
Quote from: micky682 on November 16, 2016, 07:23:05 PM
Quote from: Main on November 16, 2016, 06:52:32 PM
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Quote from: micky682 on November 16, 2016, 06:38:57 PM
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Are the Indy aftermarket bushings meant to fit on Indy trucks with both washers on? I can barely get mine on and still be able to tighten the nut on the kingpin.

edit: I bought the 90a Indy Conical bushings. The orange ones.
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If you're riding Indy Standard Hi's and bought the standard bushings, there shouldn't be an issue getting them on with the washers. Sounds like you might have bought standard bushings and are trying to put them on a low truck.
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Do they make 149 in low?
No they don't make a 149 low. Didn't the bushings come with washers? Shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 17, 2016, 01:38:54 AM
Quote from: fulfillthedream on November 16, 2016, 06:28:46 PM
Where would you weld the hanger to the axle? i dont have any experience in welding but sounds like a cool idea. i think under the hanger where you can see the two small slits of the axle would be a ideal place? let us know how this turns out!

 the last three sets of trucks (indy and two sets of thunders)  ive owned have had a very small axle slip - so minimal i cannot notice. the only truck that was unbareable was Ace's i got (defective batch) to a point where i couldn't ride em.

i was thinking about the visible portion of the axle behind the kingpin. hopefully the weld will not restrict access to the nut. I never considered welding at the spot you suggested, it could be a better option as for me two small welds sound better than a single long weld. Still haven't had the time to try but should get it done this weekend, will definitely post pics and review. If this works it could solve many people's problems with truck manufacturers taking the piss by consistently making crap product
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on November 17, 2016, 06:44:45 AM
You'd be welding aluminum to steel. I don't think that really works.

I use spacers and I've never had axle slip.  :-*
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 18, 2016, 01:59:57 AM
Quote from: Roisto on November 17, 2016, 06:44:45 AM
You'd be welding aluminum to steel. I don't think that really works.

I use spacers and I've never had axle slip.  :-*

Yeah i used spacers for a a session or two when my thunders' axle slip was out of control but really hated the dead sound my wheels made when set up with spacers.
As for the weld, this is also my (and the welder's) main concern - that the weld is not going to stick at all. He said that if he used a strong enough welding kit then we might have some luck as everything could melt into one thing. I am pretty sure this little project is going to turn into a big mess but am willing to try it just to fulfill my curiosity. Probably going to try it tomorrow on my day off and will definitely post pictures so you can have laugh at my warped trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on November 18, 2016, 02:37:58 AM
Quote from: Esquivel on November 18, 2016, 01:59:57 AM
Quote from: Roisto on November 17, 2016, 06:44:45 AM
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You'd be welding aluminum to steel. I don't think that really works.

I use spacers and I've never had axle slip.  :-*
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Yeah i used spacers for a a session or two when my thunders' axle slip was out of control but really hated the dead sound my wheels made when set up with spacers.
As for the weld, this is also my (and the welder's) main concern - that the weld is not going to stick at all. He said that if he used a strong enough welding kit then we might have some luck as everything could melt into one thing. I am pretty sure this little project is going to turn into a big mess but am willing to try it just to fulfill my curiosity. Probably going to try it tomorrow on my day off and will definitely post pictures so you can have laugh at my warped trucks.

I did something like that in the past with some slipping trucks. You just have to weld some tiny  steel balls to the axle on that little hole near the kingpin (it works also on the holes below that ofter have the axle exposed). That way it stops the axle from moving. Melting steel with aluminium doesnt work i bet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 18, 2016, 05:23:03 AM
Quote from: Sk.A.T.A.N on November 18, 2016, 02:37:58 AM
Quote from: Esquivel on November 18, 2016, 01:59:57 AM
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Quote from: Roisto on November 17, 2016, 06:44:45 AM
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You'd be welding aluminum to steel. I don't think that really works.

I use spacers and I've never had axle slip.  :-*
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Yeah i used spacers for a a session or two when my thunders' axle slip was out of control but really hated the dead sound my wheels made when set up with spacers.
As for the weld, this is also my (and the welder's) main concern - that the weld is not going to stick at all. He said that if he used a strong enough welding kit then we might have some luck as everything could melt into one thing. I am pretty sure this little project is going to turn into a big mess but am willing to try it just to fulfill my curiosity. Probably going to try it tomorrow on my day off and will definitely post pictures so you can have laugh at my warped trucks.
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I did something like that in the past with some slipping trucks. You just have to weld some tiny  steel balls to the axle on that little hole near the kingpin (it works also on the holes below that ofter have the axle exposed). That way it stops the axle from moving. Melting steel with aluminium doesnt work i bet.


this is also my thinking but the welder said that if the current used is high enough, then the two materials would sort of melt into one amalgam. sounds crazy and this is why i am sure my trucks are going to warp. never thought of your suggestion, it sounds much more reasonable than going crazy with the welding. can't wait to see if its going to work and i am surely going to try both methods (got plenty of trucks with axle slip and am going to try your technique on some hollows), fingers crossed   ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on November 18, 2016, 06:53:12 AM
wobbling kingpin on my back truck, 149 indy wich i put hollow kingpin in...tried to fix it with thin metal shit and superglue, seems fine, i'll see if it really works the next session
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on November 18, 2016, 11:38:28 AM
$180 price tag for Theeve TiH trucks. One solid piece, no axle slip, hanger is over 80% titanium. I want to but....fuck. That's more than the price of a complete for just some trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 18, 2016, 12:16:01 PM
could you prevent axle slip if axles were designed with some sort of groove in them that the metal would fill? or would that weaken the axles or cost too much?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 18, 2016, 12:47:41 PM
Quote from: Main on November 18, 2016, 11:38:28 AM
$180 price tag for Theeve TiH trucks. One solid piece, no axle slip, hanger is over 80% titanium. I want to but....fuck. That's more than the price of a complete for just some trucks.

I with you; due to my ankle still weak, I can't justify picking up a set...almost bit though...

One thing about them tho, if you grind and like your grooves, you'll probably never get one ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Rick Sanchez on November 18, 2016, 02:46:58 PM
went from indy titanium 139's to ace 44's to back to the indys then switched to my old set of thunder 147s all within the last month. trucks stress me out, never found that perfect feeling truck. i have a hankering to buy some ventures but im certain ill just put the thunders back on after one session..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 18, 2016, 11:54:47 PM
Quote from: Xen on November 18, 2016, 12:47:41 PM
Quote from: Main on November 18, 2016, 11:38:28 AM
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$180 price tag for Theeve TiH trucks. One solid piece, no axle slip, hanger is over 80% titanium. I want to but....fuck. That's more than the price of a complete for just some trucks.
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I with you; due to my ankle still weak, I can't justify picking up a set...almost bit though...

One thing about them tho, if you grind and like your grooves, you'll probably never get one ;)

What originally sold me was the concept it would be the last pair of trucks I own.....

They don't grind down really....the knock is they aren't as buttery as most trucks....they grind concrete well but everything else....weird....

Can you guys do me a favour....skate the race reds w. axel nuts cranked tight and tell me if they slip? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on November 19, 2016, 01:17:32 AM
Quote from: Xen on November 18, 2016, 12:47:41 PM

One thing about them tho, if you grind and like your grooves, you'll probably never get one ;)

This is what realllly turned me off the set i had, ive got the tiniest baby groove and that was after an hour of hucking into a dry curb just to see what would happen, still have the hangers even after breaking the kingpin on one
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 19, 2016, 10:44:11 AM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on November 19, 2016, 01:17:32 AM
Quote from: Xen on November 18, 2016, 12:47:41 PM
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One thing about them tho, if you grind and like your grooves, you'll probably never get one ;)
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This is what realllly turned me off the set i had, ive got the tiniest baby groove and that was after an hour of hucking into a dry curb just to see what would happen, still have the hangers even after breaking the kingpin on one

What size hangers?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on November 19, 2016, 12:21:03 PM
Trying to learn some shiznit: can anyone explain to me how skate truck geometry really works? I know it involves baseplate/pivot point geometry & kingpin angles, but what level of angle degrees really means what, when it comes to how a truck turns or pops?

(https://d2r5da613aq50s.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/0-7645-5324-0_0213.jpg)

According to this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=0 Most trucks (the big 3 brands at least) fall in between a kingpin angle of 70-75 & a pivot angle of 25-40.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on November 19, 2016, 02:30:02 PM
Yeah, I never thought about the TiH's not being able to build grooves. Fuck that, I need my grooves.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on November 19, 2016, 02:43:57 PM
ok so do you guys think its a bad idea to buy these destrutco hollow king pins, destructo tells me no, but the price tells me maybe
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Destructo_Hollowpoint_King_Pin/descpage-DEHPKP.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Destructo_Hollowpoint_King_Pin/descpage-DEHPKP.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on November 19, 2016, 07:01:32 PM
Quote from: Xen on November 19, 2016, 10:44:11 AM
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One thing about them tho, if you grind and like your grooves, you'll probably never get one ;)
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This is what realllly turned me off the set i had, ive got the tiniest baby groove and that was after an hour of hucking into a dry curb just to see what would happen, still have the hangers even after breaking the kingpin on one
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What size hangers?

Whatever their equivalent to 139s are
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 19, 2016, 07:35:08 PM
Quote from: ducky darnsworth on November 19, 2016, 02:43:57 PM
ok so do you guys think its a bad idea to buy these destrutco hollow king pins, destructo tells me no, but the price tells me maybe
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Destructo_Hollowpoint_King_Pin/descpage-DEHPKP.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Destructo_Hollowpoint_King_Pin/descpage-DEHPKP.html)

Depends on what truck you are going to bash them into...every company uses different spines on the pins, especially hollow vs solid (and that's within brand, e.g., thunder hollow pins won't fit right, and visa versa, in team plates).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on November 19, 2016, 09:05:37 PM
Quote from: Rick Sanchez on November 18, 2016, 02:46:58 PM
went from indy titanium 139's to ace 44's to back to the indys then switched to my old set of thunder 147s all within the last month. trucks stress me out, never found that perfect feeling truck. i have a hankering to buy some ventures but im certain ill just put the thunders back on after one session..
Maybe try swapping bushings. I've been considering swapping my set to some conical bushings and see what happens.
The stock bushings are hard af!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 19, 2016, 09:11:21 PM
Quote from: Xen on November 19, 2016, 07:35:08 PM
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ok so do you guys think its a bad idea to buy these destrutco hollow king pins, destructo tells me no, but the price tells me maybe
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Destructo_Hollowpoint_King_Pin/descpage-DEHPKP.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Destructo_Hollowpoint_King_Pin/descpage-DEHPKP.html)
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Depends on what truck you are going to bash them into...every company uses different spines on the pins, especially hollow vs solid (and that's within brand, e.g., thunder hollow pins won't fit right, and visa versa, in team plates).

Hammering in a kingpin is the worst thing about skateboarding. Fuck all that, I'd rather just buy new trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on November 19, 2016, 09:31:49 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 19, 2016, 09:11:21 PM
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ok so do you guys think its a bad idea to buy these destrutco hollow king pins, destructo tells me no, but the price tells me maybe
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Destructo_Hollowpoint_King_Pin/descpage-DEHPKP.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Destructo_Hollowpoint_King_Pin/descpage-DEHPKP.html)
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Depends on what truck you are going to bash them into...every company uses different spines on the pins, especially hollow vs solid (and that's within brand, e.g., thunder hollow pins won't fit right, and visa versa, in team plates).
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Hammering in a kingpin is the worst thing about skateboarding. Fuck all that, I'd rather just buy new trucks.

agreed.  or if you're hellbent on keeping your trucks get some Krux downlow kingpins
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on November 19, 2016, 10:27:28 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on November 19, 2016, 09:31:49 PM
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ok so do you guys think its a bad idea to buy these destrutco hollow king pins, destructo tells me no, but the price tells me maybe
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Destructo_Hollowpoint_King_Pin/descpage-DEHPKP.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Destructo_Hollowpoint_King_Pin/descpage-DEHPKP.html)
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Depends on what truck you are going to bash them into...every company uses different spines on the pins, especially hollow vs solid (and that's within brand, e.g., thunder hollow pins won't fit right, and visa versa, in team plates).
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Hammering in a kingpin is the worst thing about skateboarding. Fuck all that, I'd rather just buy new trucks.
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agreed.  or if you're hellbent on keeping your trucks get some Krux downlow kingpins
yeah, i already ordered the krux kingpins, i just saw those and thought it was interesting for the price, and off topic something i learned through this whole truck thing is that dlx is like the only distro without really having a proper online store
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 20, 2016, 12:07:52 AM
I inherited some old gullwing inverted king pins and the tricky thing is the nut spins so to loosen my trucks I have to take my trucks off.  I'm at the point where they are about where I want them to be but do the krux ones solve this problem? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: christ0v on November 20, 2016, 01:55:29 AM
Thunder 147 hollow or ace 33 ? Both are are the same price. I'm going for a light 8,125 - 8,25 setup
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 20, 2016, 03:37:41 AM
theyre both light but truthfully from my perspective I think thunders are the best all around and longest lasting truck. Aces are fun and turn deeper and feel like a faster turning Indy but thunders give you very quick response with pop and turn they just don't turn super deep like Indy or ace

For fun ACE

for reliability on everything Thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on November 20, 2016, 06:23:38 AM
Quote from: christ0v on November 20, 2016, 01:55:29 AM
Thunder 147 hollow or ace 33 ? Both are are the same price. I'm going for a light 8,125 - 8,25 setup
I'd say go for Thunder 149's tbh, I think they have a sligtly different and better geometry, less wheelbite(used risers on my 147's), if you want then reduce weight go hollow or titanium, just my 2 cents but I think the 149's turn way better and feel much more stable on a 8.25
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: christ0v on November 20, 2016, 09:25:53 AM
Thank you for the advice ! I'll probably go with thunder, but not sure which size. I have stage 11 indys, but 8,5 ain't my size. Probably still gonna use them for bowl and to cruise around
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 20, 2016, 10:59:30 AM
Switched over to indy for the last week or so (all park), riptide cups and bones meds, swapping between 149/139 hangers on an 8.25. 149s just felt right, 139s felt/looked too small but were quicker to turn....saw the Boss with his kid at my local, big old 8.5 with 139s...I just can't rock the magic carpet...

If I could ever get Thunders to where I felt 'safe' in a bowl, I'd ride'em exclusively. By safe I mean at speed in a corner and I've hit it at the wrong angle but with ACE (and Indy to a lesser degree), I know I can get out of it, thunders just don't go that deep.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on November 20, 2016, 03:49:24 PM
i don't know why people struggle with Thunders on round wall. i've had good luck with 149s and 151s in bowls. risers and broken in stock bushings. looks like thunder are now making some hollow trucks with the team base plates... good call....

in saying all that i'm currently enjoying the shit out of some indy 149s with 88a conical bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 20, 2016, 04:58:01 PM
It's hardly a struggle....ACE and Indy just perform better in bowls.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on November 20, 2016, 07:02:23 PM
Does anyone know if Royal 5.5's are 8.25 or 8.5? SW says 8.25 and they're always pretty good with that stuff, but the guy at the shop and Tactics say they're 8.5 so I want to make sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on November 20, 2016, 07:06:20 PM
Quote from: Xen on November 20, 2016, 10:59:30 AM


If I could ever get Thunders to where I felt 'safe' in a bowl, I'd ride'em exclusively. By safe I mean at speed in a corner and I've hit it at the wrong angle but with ACE (and Indy to a lesser degree), I know I can get out of it, thunders just don't go that deep.

Sounds like a struggle...

either way, its all subjective.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 20, 2016, 07:44:23 PM
wtf dude? Are you trying to troll me or something? ???

Thunders don't compare to indy and ace in bowls. subjective, to what, 1% of the fucking industry? Knowing what you skate, do tell, are thunders superior to Ace or Indy in bowls? I mean, "nothing beats ACE on the round wall", right?

Seriously, if they were actually worthwhile don't you think more people would be rocking them that skate bowls other than Chris fucking Miller and his son?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 20, 2016, 10:55:29 PM
This is true....aces can do tighter turns.....it's a fact......ride a set.....

Miller destroyed tons of concrete parks on gullwings.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 20, 2016, 11:02:41 PM
Calm the fuck down Xen, the shit's all subjective. IT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE. You like shitty OJ's. I fucking hate them. You can't skate a bowl on Thunders, and that's ok, but don't try to measure something that's not quantifiable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 21, 2016, 02:12:32 AM
Ahaha I suck

Was rocking the ace 03 and they were good, but idk if it's the weather or something but the bushings got harder so I had to drop the bottom washers, got curious and plugged the good ole set of thunders to see how they fair with my chocolate and damn...

The Aces don't get me wrong worked, but thunders just feel more quick to conform, more solid

Ima cop some of those gravity cast hollows  ;D

Jim told me they had some in the works a few weeks back and I'm definitely grabbing a set

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 21, 2016, 02:39:38 AM
Quote from: GOATMOON on November 20, 2016, 07:02:23 PM
Does anyone know if Royal 5.5's are 8.25 or 8.5? SW says 8.25 and they're always pretty good with that stuff, but the guy at the shop and Tactics say they're 8.5 so I want to make sure.

i unfortunately own a pair of royals 5.5 and they are identical to thunder 149 in width and almost of the same height too. i skate 8.25 and they fit amazing. I suppose they would be grand on an 8.5 deck too
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 21, 2016, 02:58:17 AM
Quote from: Esquivel on November 18, 2016, 05:23:03 AM
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You'd be welding aluminum to steel. I don't think that really works.

I use spacers and I've never had axle slip.  :-*
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Yeah i used spacers for a a session or two when my thunders' axle slip was out of control but really hated the dead sound my wheels made when set up with spacers.
As for the weld, this is also my (and the welder's) main concern - that the weld is not going to stick at all. He said that if he used a strong enough welding kit then we might have some luck as everything could melt into one thing. I am pretty sure this little project is going to turn into a big mess but am willing to try it just to fulfill my curiosity. Probably going to try it tomorrow on my day off and will definitely post pictures so you can have laugh at my warped trucks.
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I did something like that in the past with some slipping trucks. You just have to weld some tiny  steel balls to the axle on that little hole near the kingpin (it works also on the holes below that ofter have the axle exposed). That way it stops the axle from moving. Melting steel with aluminium doesnt work i bet.
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this is also my thinking but the welder said that if the current used is high enough, then the two materials would sort of melt into one amalgam. sounds crazy and this is why i am sure my trucks are going to warp. never thought of your suggestion, it sounds much more reasonable than going crazy with the welding. can't wait to see if its going to work and i am surely going to try both methods (got plenty of trucks with axle slip and am going to try your technique on some hollows), fingers crossed   ;D




i finally went to do the weld and have something to post. the dude fucked one of my hangers right up because he tried too much with the weld and the hanger melted and went proper fucked. the second attempt went much better though because the guy did what i asked him and didn't mess around. here is the successful attempt and i'm going to post the other, messed up hanger in a bit (i know it sounds more interesting but it needs to cool down). I still have another set of thunders with axle slip so i have 2 more attempts to choose from. I am hyped with this result and though i haven't skated it yet i believe it should be fine and that the axle slip has been (permanently -fingers crossed) cured.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on November 21, 2016, 03:51:03 AM
they'll slip again if you don't use spacers...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 21, 2016, 04:13:56 AM
Quote from: the snake on November 21, 2016, 03:51:03 AM
they'll slip again if you don't use spacers...


yeah but if i get a couple of weeks skate until the slip becomes intolerable i'm fine. the amount of axle slip on these was a joke. around 1cm play on each side, to the point that the thread was not enough for the nut to hold and also they would slip even if i was just riding about (no pop, no power slides, just wheels rolling - a strictly roots)
 
here is the major fuckup
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 21, 2016, 04:15:36 AM
for some reason i am unable to attach more than one file per reply even though each picture is less than 128kb in size

here is another view of "the fuckup"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on November 21, 2016, 06:12:44 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 20, 2016, 11:02:41 PM
Calm the fuck down Xen, the shit's all subjective. IT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE.

 :o
 
ha ha. who the fuck really cares? do grown men get offended so easily by criticisms of their toy choice?

jesus, i thought i had OCD problems. this thread has now truly liberated me. for this i thank ye, all. now let's see some more axle and less tears.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bumpovertrash on November 21, 2016, 01:26:05 PM
I'm riding doomsayer indies and I leave em stock,
No adjustments required but I mostly skate the city can't speak for
Bowl riding
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 21, 2016, 11:04:25 PM
I'm getting confused here, is axle slip when the rod holding the wheels on the hangar isn't even and one side pulls the wheel tighter to the hangar or what is it?

And are bearing spacers the cylindrical shaped pieces you put between the bearings in the wheel? Do they really matter that much cause I just use the axel washers to keep the bearings from touching the hangar or the nut and have some wiggle while the axle but is almost flush
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 21, 2016, 11:16:15 PM
spacers matter; that's my story and I'm sticking with it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 21, 2016, 11:18:50 PM
Quote from: rob on November 21, 2016, 11:04:25 PM
I'm getting confused here, is axle slip when the rod holding the wheels on the hangar isn't even and one side pulls the wheel tighter to the hangar or what is it?

And are bearing spacers the cylindrical shaped pieces you put between the bearings in the wheel? Do they really matter that much cause I just use the axel washers to keep the bearings from touching the hangar or the nut and have some wiggle while the axle but is almost flush

you are correct in all but the washer use. The only thing to 100% hold the axle in place and guarantee non slip is to use spacers. Washers just provide the bearings with some clearance from the axle so that any finish imperfections will not affect the wheel spin.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 21, 2016, 11:24:47 PM
but still, if i were to use spacers to limit the slip my bearings would have to be in absolute top form. I mean, i ALWAYS maintain my bearings and make sure they are rolling freely but i noticed that when slip occurs, if i use spacers my board starts to produce a very dull noise and the worst is that this sound is produced by one/two wheels only and not by the whole set up.
N.L. and a few other people were talking about OCD....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 21, 2016, 11:26:51 PM
SPACERS AND AXEL SLIP DO NOT CORRELATE. THE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ONE ANOTHER. LAND YOUR FLIP TRICKS.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 21, 2016, 11:31:29 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 21, 2016, 11:26:51 PM
SPACERS AND AXEL SLIP DO NOT CORRELATE. THE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ONE ANOTHER. LAND YOUR FLIP TRICKS.

 spacers do not prevent axle slip, they just reduce the play of the axle. Last set of thunders had axle slip out of the box, no joke
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 21, 2016, 11:39:44 PM
Quote from: Esquivel on November 21, 2016, 11:31:29 PM
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SPACERS AND AXEL SLIP DO NOT CORRELATE. THE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ONE ANOTHER. LAND YOUR FLIP TRICKS.
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 spacers do not prevent axle slip, they just reduce the play of the axle. Last set of thunders had axle slip out of the box, no joke

SPACERS HELP DISTRIBUTE WEIGHT AWAY FROM THE BEARINGS. THEY DO NOTHING HORIZONTAL.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 22, 2016, 12:26:04 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 21, 2016, 11:39:44 PM
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SPACERS AND AXEL SLIP DO NOT CORRELATE. THE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ONE ANOTHER. LAND YOUR FLIP TRICKS.
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 spacers do not prevent axle slip, they just reduce the play of the axle. Last set of thunders had axle slip out of the box, no joke
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SPACERS HELP DISTRIBUTE WEIGHT AWAY FROM THE BEARINGS. THEY DO NOTHING HORIZONTAL.

^^
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 22, 2016, 12:42:14 AM
we are saying the same thing really. By enabling us to tighten the wheel nut as much as possible without causing the bearing to roll in steps, spacers allow for the wheel to become "one piece". For the speeds achieved in skating their only practical use would be to prevent bearings from bending to the inside of the wheel.

edit: the fact that they (spacers) prevent the bearings from rolling in steps is proof that they do have some major effect in the horizontal direction (that is parallel to the axle). If the bearing cages were too loose, unable to hold the bearings in place, the speed rings would limit the bearings to move far from the wheel and the spacers would limit the bearings from squashing against the inside of the wheel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on November 22, 2016, 12:47:03 AM
your axles and bearings center ring become one piece with spacers, dumbo
and stop shouting, you gonna break your big ears^^
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 22, 2016, 12:50:59 AM
what the snake said
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on November 22, 2016, 02:57:39 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 21, 2016, 11:39:44 PM
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SPACERS AND AXEL SLIP DO NOT CORRELATE. THE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ONE ANOTHER. LAND YOUR FLIP TRICKS.
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 spacers do not prevent axle slip, they just reduce the play of the axle. Last set of thunders had axle slip out of the box, no joke
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SPACERS HELP DISTRIBUTE WEIGHT AWAY FROM THE BEARINGS. THEY DO NOTHING HORIZONTAL.

The spacer would have to compress for the axle to be able to slip. I don't really see that happening as easily as the bearing giving in (which is what would happen without spacers). It's simple physics really.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 22, 2016, 07:39:02 AM
None of what you're saying supports your arguments. Bearing spacers do not prevent left to right movement of an axle. If I make a circle with my fingers, stick my dick through it, I can still move back and forth freely.

The only thing I think that would kind of help is what j soy has been talking about, race reds, and the ability to crank down the axle nut, so the wheel is tight against the hangar with zero play. That would support the axle more than anything.

That's not spacers though, that's extended inner races.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on November 22, 2016, 07:48:25 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 22, 2016, 07:39:02 AM
None of what you're saying supports your arguments. Bearing spacers do not prevent left to right movement of an axle. If I make a circle with my fingers, stick my dick through it, I can still move back and forth freely.

Not if you screw a nut that is bigger than your finger circle on the tip of your penis. Cut your penis off and screw another big nut on the other end and make a circle around the dick at that other end. Now add a tube the length of the rest of the penis in the middle and that penis ain't moving anywhere. Simple physics.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 22, 2016, 08:04:22 AM
You guys are fucking idiots.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on November 22, 2016, 08:13:05 AM
Quote from: Roisto on November 22, 2016, 07:48:25 AM
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None of what you're saying supports your arguments. Bearing spacers do not prevent left to right movement of an axle. If I make a circle with my fingers, stick my dick through it, I can still move back and forth freely.
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Not if you screw a nut that is bigger than your finger circle on the tip of your penis. Cut your penis off and screw another big nut on the other end and make a circle around the dick at that other end. Now add a tube the length of the rest of the penis in the middle and that penis ain't moving anywhere. Simple physics.
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 22, 2016, 08:04:22 AM
You guys are fucking idiots.
hahaha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 22, 2016, 08:13:46 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 22, 2016, 07:39:02 AM
None of what you're saying supports your arguments. Bearing spacers do not prevent left to right movement of an axle. If I make a circle with my fingers, stick my dick through it, I can still move back and forth freely.

The only thing I think that would kind of help is what j soy has been talking about, race reds, and the ability to crank down the axle nut, so the wheel is tight against the hangar with zero play. That would support the axle more than anything.

That's not spacers though, that's extended inner races.

If you measure the length of these extended inner races you will find that one race is half the length of a spacer. This means that when the two bearings with this kind of inner race are set in a wheel they create a spacer. If you use spacers you can similarly crank down the axle nut tight as fuck so that there is zero play.
 As I said before, we are talking about the same solution.
I have gone through about a million of these bearings with extended races in the 80's and trust me, it is the exact same thing as using a spacer (axle slip-wise). Granted, if you were to use spacers it could be better to use the extended race bearings because they may provide a kind of sturdier ride but i have never come across a decent set, they seem to break much easier than normal/narrow NMB's, up to several bearings per session. As a kid i would always blame their tighter and less forgiving fit but i was using the very cheap stuff (nowhere near the quality of race reds) so who knows  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 22, 2016, 08:17:03 AM
Quote from: Roisto on November 22, 2016, 07:48:25 AM
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None of what you're saying supports your arguments. Bearing spacers do not prevent left to right movement of an axle. If I make a circle with my fingers, stick my dick through it, I can still move back and forth freely.
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Not if you screw a nut that is bigger than your finger circle on the tip of your penis. Cut your penis off and screw another big nut on the other end and make a circle around the dick at that other end. Now add a tube the length of the rest of the penis in the middle and that penis ain't moving anywhere. Simple physics.

riding spacers is like having a telescopic dick?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on November 22, 2016, 08:40:00 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 22, 2016, 08:04:22 AM
You guys are fucking idiots.

No. You just don't understand what you're talking about.

Check this out:
Ace 44
Speedring
Bearing inner race
Spacer
Bearing inner race
Speedring
Nut, tightened down
(http://i.imgur.com/ZiqOmxS.jpg)

Now, for the axle to slip to the left, something there would have to compress. It's all made of steel, except the hanger. You think the spacer will give in, allowing the axle to slip?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 22, 2016, 09:02:48 AM
This is when someone chimes in that wheel cores aren't standard which will produce a gap....some truth in it but I think for the most part stuff works....

Do the same exercise w. an extended race bearing and it makes more sense....I ran that set up for years and it was never like I could crank the nut 100% tight...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 22, 2016, 10:57:24 AM
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You guys are fucking idiots.
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No. You just don't understand what you're talking about.

Check this out:
Ace 44
Speedring
Bearing inner race
Spacer
Bearing inner race
Speedring
Nut, tightened down
(http://i.imgur.com/ZiqOmxS.jpg)

Now, for the axle to slip to the left, something there would have to compress. It's all made of steel, except the hanger. You think the spacer will give in, allowing the axle to slip?


HOW THE FUCK ARE YOUR WHEELS GOING TO TURN WITH THAT NUT CRANKED DOWN? Speed rings? Lol.

I get what you're trying to say, but it's not practical.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on November 22, 2016, 11:36:32 AM
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You guys are fucking idiots.
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No. You just don't understand what you're talking about.

Check this out:
Ace 44
Speedring
Bearing inner race
Spacer
Bearing inner race
Speedring
Nut, tightened down
(http://i.imgur.com/ZiqOmxS.jpg)

Now, for the axle to slip to the left, something there would have to compress. It's all made of steel, except the hanger. You think the spacer will give in, allowing the axle to slip?

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HOW THE FUCK ARE YOUR WHEELS GOING TO TURN WITH THAT NUT CRANKED DOWN? Speed rings? Lol.

I get what you're trying to say, but it's not practical.

 :D

The wheels turn very nicely. Do you not understand how bearings work? Speed rings, washers, whatever the fuck they're called.

I doubt you get what I'm saying as you're mostly just shouting nonsense. How is using spacers not practical?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 22, 2016, 11:43:46 AM
You're telling me that you crank down your axle nut with no play?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on November 22, 2016, 04:17:18 PM
Anyone know of any top aftermarket bushing that is shorter than an Indy top? I wanna ride some Indy's like wobbly Ace's but use a standard Indy bottom and some kind of shorter top bushing so there's at least a bushing there while allowing them to have the shakes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on November 22, 2016, 08:42:59 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 22, 2016, 11:43:46 AM
You're telling me that you crank down your axle nut with no play?

Yes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 22, 2016, 09:01:59 PM
Quote from: Main on November 22, 2016, 04:17:18 PM
Anyone know of any top aftermarket bushing that is shorter than an Indy top? I wanna ride some Indy's like wobbly Ace's but use a standard Indy bottom and some kind of shorter top bushing so there's at least a bushing there while allowing them to have the shakes.
Just sand/shave them down.

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You're telling me that you crank down your axle nut with no play?
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Yes

You're fuckin' up. Enjoy the slow.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 22, 2016, 11:07:30 PM
Quote from: Roisto on November 22, 2016, 11:36:32 AM
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You guys are fucking idiots.
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No. You just don't understand what you're talking about.

Check this out:
Ace 44
Speedring
Bearing inner race
Spacer
Bearing inner race
Speedring
Nut, tightened down
(http://i.imgur.com/ZiqOmxS.jpg)

Now, for the axle to slip to the left, something there would have to compress. It's all made of steel, except the hanger. You think the spacer will give in, allowing the axle to slip?

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HOW THE FUCK ARE YOUR WHEELS GOING TO TURN WITH THAT NUT CRANKED DOWN? Speed rings? Lol.

I get what you're trying to say, but it's not practical.
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 :D

The wheels turn very nicely. Do you not understand how bearings work? Speed rings, washers, whatever the fuck they're called.

I doubt you get what I'm saying as you're mostly just shouting nonsense. How is using spacers not practical?

I always found the speed rings didn't perfectly line up with the nut and the inner race.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 22, 2016, 11:31:59 PM
^ yeah, correct but unless they touch the shields the wheels are going to spin perfectly fine. Its all the same guys, extended races, spacers, all the same.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 22, 2016, 11:56:22 PM
Thing is, they don't spin any faster under load with 'play' compared to [properly setup] spacers/races...and that's probably only for longboards; what we do to bearings if you skate street is an abomination to how they are supposed to be used.

I've always like a little bit of wiggle, with speed rings and no spacers. It sounds better, without shields even moreso.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 23, 2016, 01:30:24 AM
looked up how to install spacers properly and so far i like how the nut is flush with no wiggle and yet it still spins, now i just gotta ride it and see how it goes compared to centuries of no spacer and only washers with wiggle

i feel like spacers would help get powerslides better since that microscopic amount of play wouldnt cause the bearing to lock up or something

idk its becoming an ocd now ahaha i like how my wheel is tight on the axle with no play/wiggle but still rolling. some kind of witch craft

i remember back in the beginner days tightening the nut down with no spacer or washer just because i thought thats how wheels are plugged on trucks and my axles would be battered, now i can do something similar but my axles are fine and safe
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on November 23, 2016, 03:02:30 AM
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You're telling me that you crank down your axle nut with no play?
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Yes
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You're fuckin' up. Enjoy the slow.

 :D

Please explain how that makes the wheels spin slower. You think the inner race spins much on the axle when you're standing on the board? I can loosen the nuts on my trucks and I won't go any faster. I'll just get more rattle, which some people love and I don't really care that much about.

You haven't backed your arguments with any facts so far. Just random veiled insults. Is it because you can't actually back them as they are based on a whole lot of nothing or do you possess some high level knowledge about the physics of ball bearings and movement of objects that are locked down that other people just cannot understand?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 23, 2016, 03:12:51 AM
Quote from: Xen on November 22, 2016, 11:56:22 PM
Thing is, they don't spin any faster under load with 'play' compared to [properly setup] spacers/races...and that's probably only for longboards; what we do to bearings if you skate street is an abomination to how they are supposed to be used.

I've always like a little bit of wiggle, with speed rings and no spacers. It sounds better, without shields even moreso.

this is exactly what i love on my super swiss, the sound they make is unreal. like a train passing by. I can only imagine the bliss of riding without shields but i would do this only if i was sponsored by bones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 23, 2016, 09:14:20 AM
Quote from: Roisto on November 23, 2016, 03:02:30 AM
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You're telling me that you crank down your axle nut with no play?
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Yes
[close]

You're fuckin' up. Enjoy the slow.
[close]

 :D

Please explain how that makes the wheels spin slower. You think the inner race spins much on the axle when you're standing on the board? I can loosen the nuts on my trucks and I won't go any faster. I'll just get more rattle, which some people love and I don't really care that much about.

You haven't backed your arguments with any facts so far. Just random veiled insults. Is it because you can't actually back them as they are based on a whole lot of nothing or do you possess some high level knowledge about the physics of ball bearings and movement of objects that are locked down that other people just cannot understand?
Unless you're a physicist or a mechanical engineer, shut the fuck up. I don't have to back up shit. I don't have to justify this shit, skateboarding does it for me. I cranked down the nuts on my 3 year olds board. Guess what, be hardly rolls. If you use spacers, you still might get axle slip. The end. That should be it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 23, 2016, 09:51:01 AM
Quote from: Esquivel on November 23, 2016, 03:12:51 AM
Quote from: Xen on November 22, 2016, 11:56:22 PM
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Thing is, they don't spin any faster under load with 'play' compared to [properly setup] spacers/races...and that's probably only for longboards; what we do to bearings if you skate street is an abomination to how they are supposed to be used.

I've always like a little bit of wiggle, with speed rings and no spacers. It sounds better, without shields even moreso.
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this is exactly what i love on my super swiss, the sound they make is unreal. like a train passing by. I can only imagine the bliss of riding without shields but i would do this only if i was sponsored by bones.

Been tempted to pop shields on my bronson since I'm only using them at parks :P
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on November 23, 2016, 10:02:00 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 23, 2016, 09:14:20 AM
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You're telling me that you crank down your axle nut with no play?
[close]

Yes
[close]

You're fuckin' up. Enjoy the slow.
[close]

 :D

Please explain how that makes the wheels spin slower. You think the inner race spins much on the axle when you're standing on the board? I can loosen the nuts on my trucks and I won't go any faster. I'll just get more rattle, which some people love and I don't really care that much about.

You haven't backed your arguments with any facts so far. Just random veiled insults. Is it because you can't actually back them as they are based on a whole lot of nothing or do you possess some high level knowledge about the physics of ball bearings and movement of objects that are locked down that other people just cannot understand?
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Unless you're a physicist or a mechanical engineer, shut the fuck up. I don't have to back up shit. I don't have to justify this shit, skateboarding does it for me. I cranked down the nuts on my 3 year olds board. Guess what, be hardly rolls. If you use spacers, you still might get axle slip. The end. That should be it.

LOL. Great discussion. Great arguments man. Getting mad and retorting to insults? That's what people who run out of arguments do. You know it doesn't make you any more right if you shout louder or act more offensive?

I am an engineer, but not a mechanical engineer. Doesn't matter though. This is basic level physics they teach absolutely everyone, at least here in Finland.

I'm just tired of all this bullshit people keep spewing out regarding skating that has absolutely no basis in reality. Spacers do prevent axle slip and with a proper setup the wheels spin absolutely fine with the nuts tightened down, so that there is no play. I know skating is pretty much 95% mental and if using spacers, having no rattle etc. fucks you up, that's alright, you should do as you please. But people don't go around claiming your non-factual opinions as facts because of that.

Sorry about your kid's board. Maybe you should look into getting him a better setup before he starts getting axle slip and blown out bearings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on November 23, 2016, 10:06:15 AM
Quote from: Xen on November 23, 2016, 09:51:01 AM
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Thing is, they don't spin any faster under load with 'play' compared to [properly setup] spacers/races...and that's probably only for longboards; what we do to bearings if you skate street is an abomination to how they are supposed to be used.

I've always like a little bit of wiggle, with speed rings and no spacers. It sounds better, without shields even moreso.
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this is exactly what i love on my super swiss, the sound they make is unreal. like a train passing by. I can only imagine the bliss of riding without shields but i would do this only if i was sponsored by bones.
[close]

Been tempted to pop shields on my bronson since I'm only using them at parks :P
Since a shield popped off and 2 others got bent I've been considering this
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 23, 2016, 10:26:57 AM
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You're telling me that you crank down your axle nut with no play?
[close]

Yes
[close]

You're fuckin' up. Enjoy the slow.
[close]

 :D

Please explain how that makes the wheels spin slower. You think the inner race spins much on the axle when you're standing on the board? I can loosen the nuts on my trucks and I won't go any faster. I'll just get more rattle, which some people love and I don't really care that much about.

You haven't backed your arguments with any facts so far. Just random veiled insults. Is it because you can't actually back them as they are based on a whole lot of nothing or do you possess some high level knowledge about the physics of ball bearings and movement of objects that are locked down that other people just cannot understand?
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Unless you're a physicist or a mechanical engineer, shut the fuck up. I don't have to back up shit. I don't have to justify this shit, skateboarding does it for me. I cranked down the nuts on my 3 year olds board. Guess what, be hardly rolls. If you use spacers, you still might get axle slip. The end. That should be it.
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LOL. Great discussion. Great arguments man. Getting mad and retorting to insults? That's what people who run out of arguments do. You know it doesn't make you any more right if you shout louder or act more offensive?

I am an engineer, but not a mechanical engineer. Doesn't matter though. This is basic level physics they teach absolutely everyone, at least here in Finland.

I'm just tired of all this bullshit people keep spewing out regarding skating that has absolutely no basis in reality. Spacers do prevent axle slip and with a proper setup the wheels spin absolutely fine with the nuts tightened down, so that there is no play. I know skating is pretty much 95% mental and if using spacers, having no rattle etc. fucks you up, that's alright, you should do as you please. But people don't go around claiming your non-factual opinions as facts because of that.

Sorry about your kid's board. Maybe you should look into getting him a better setup before he starts getting axle slip and blown out bearings.
I cranked them down so he can't go fast. It worked. You know, applying pressure and friction, basic physics stuff, at least here in the U.S.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on November 23, 2016, 10:56:42 AM
bearings are so prevelant in the 'real world', is there any other scenarios where a little bit of play, or rattle, is considered desirable? Or other instances of where tightening equals slowing?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on November 23, 2016, 11:14:14 AM
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You're telling me that you crank down your axle nut with no play?
[close]

Yes
[close]

You're fuckin' up. Enjoy the slow.
[close]

 :D

Please explain how that makes the wheels spin slower. You think the inner race spins much on the axle when you're standing on the board? I can loosen the nuts on my trucks and I won't go any faster. I'll just get more rattle, which some people love and I don't really care that much about.

You haven't backed your arguments with any facts so far. Just random veiled insults. Is it because you can't actually back them as they are based on a whole lot of nothing or do you possess some high level knowledge about the physics of ball bearings and movement of objects that are locked down that other people just cannot understand?
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Unless you're a physicist or a mechanical engineer, shut the fuck up. I don't have to back up shit. I don't have to justify this shit, skateboarding does it for me. I cranked down the nuts on my 3 year olds board. Guess what, be hardly rolls. If you use spacers, you still might get axle slip. The end. That should be it.
[close]

LOL. Great discussion. Great arguments man. Getting mad and retorting to insults? That's what people who run out of arguments do. You know it doesn't make you any more right if you shout louder or act more offensive?

I am an engineer, but not a mechanical engineer. Doesn't matter though. This is basic level physics they teach absolutely everyone, at least here in Finland.

I'm just tired of all this bullshit people keep spewing out regarding skating that has absolutely no basis in reality. Spacers do prevent axle slip and with a proper setup the wheels spin absolutely fine with the nuts tightened down, so that there is no play. I know skating is pretty much 95% mental and if using spacers, having no rattle etc. fucks you up, that's alright, you should do as you please. But people don't go around claiming your non-factual opinions as facts because of that.

Sorry about your kid's board. Maybe you should look into getting him a better setup before he starts getting axle slip and blown out bearings.
[close]
I cranked them down so he can't go fast. It worked. You know, applying pressure and friction, basic physics stuff, at least here in the U.S.

Sounds like you have something funky going on in your kid's setup if by tightening the nuts you increase friction inside the bearing while using spacers.   :o

Maybe your spacers are too short? I've heard of that happening. Never encountered those myself though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 23, 2016, 11:24:41 AM
Quote from: Ok on November 23, 2016, 10:56:42 AM
bearings are so prevelant in the 'real world', is there any other scenarios where a little bit of play, or rattle, is considered desirable? Or other instances of where tightening equals slowing?

I couldn't imagine there is any instance where play would be desireable. Bearings are used in mechanical (duh) situations and excess play would cause wear on surrounding parts/materials especially if you have something spinning at 83482756826345875 RPM or some shit.

(http://www.laceyducati.com/ducati-parts/images/crank_alt%20support%20bearing%20-%20450x410.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on November 23, 2016, 12:07:05 PM
Quote from: Roisto on November 23, 2016, 10:02:00 AM
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You're telling me that you crank down your axle nut with no play?
[close]

Yes
[close]

You're fuckin' up. Enjoy the slow.
[close]

 :D

Please explain how that makes the wheels spin slower. You think the inner race spins much on the axle when you're standing on the board? I can loosen the nuts on my trucks and I won't go any faster. I'll just get more rattle, which some people love and I don't really care that much about.

You haven't backed your arguments with any facts so far. Just random veiled insults. Is it because you can't actually back them as they are based on a whole lot of nothing or do you possess some high level knowledge about the physics of ball bearings and movement of objects that are locked down that other people just cannot understand?
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Unless you're a physicist or a mechanical engineer, shut the fuck up. I don't have to back up shit. I don't have to justify this shit, skateboarding does it for me. I cranked down the nuts on my 3 year olds board. Guess what, be hardly rolls. If you use spacers, you still might get axle slip. The end. That should be it.
[close]

LOL. Great discussion. Great arguments man. Getting mad and retorting to insults? That's what people who run out of arguments do. You know it doesn't make you any more right if you shout louder or act more offensive?

I am an engineer, but not a mechanical engineer. Doesn't matter though. This is basic level physics they teach absolutely everyone, at least here in Finland.

I'm just tired of all this bullshit people keep spewing out regarding skating that has absolutely no basis in reality. Spacers do prevent axle slip and with a proper setup the wheels spin absolutely fine with the nuts tightened down, so that there is no play. I know skating is pretty much 95% mental and if using spacers, having no rattle etc. fucks you up, that's alright, you should do as you please. But people don't go around claiming your non-factual opinions as facts because of that.

Sorry about your kid's board. Maybe you should look into getting him a better setup before he starts getting axle slip and blown out bearings.
Yeah, I can crank my nuts down tight with spaces and the wheels are still screaming. I still have them like a quarter of a turn loose though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 23, 2016, 01:34:40 PM
Quote from: Xen on November 23, 2016, 11:24:41 AM
Quote from: Ok on November 23, 2016, 10:56:42 AM
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bearings are so prevelant in the 'real world', is there any other scenarios where a little bit of play, or rattle, is considered desirable? Or other instances of where tightening equals slowing?
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I couldn't imagine there is any instance where play would be desireable. Bearings are used in mechanical (duh) situations and excess play would cause wear on surrounding parts/materials especially if you have something spinning at 83482756826345875 RPM or some shit.

(http://www.laceyducati.com/ducati-parts/images/crank_alt%20support%20bearing%20-%20450x410.jpg)

I dunno dude....I loosen up my lug nuts all the time....nothing beats a nice wobbly front tire on a bike either.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on November 23, 2016, 02:15:55 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on November 23, 2016, 01:34:40 PM
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bearings are so prevelant in the 'real world', is there any other scenarios where a little bit of play, or rattle, is considered desirable? Or other instances of where tightening equals slowing?
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I couldn't imagine there is any instance where play would be desireable. Bearings are used in mechanical (duh) situations and excess play would cause wear on surrounding parts/materials especially if you have something spinning at 83482756826345875 RPM or some shit.

(http://www.laceyducati.com/ducati-parts/images/crank_alt%20support%20bearing%20-%20450x410.jpg)
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I dunno dude....I loosen up my lug nuts all the time....nothing beats a nice wobbly front tire on a bike either.....


yeah, it's like Russian roulette every time you bunny hop off a curb, it keeps the ride exciting
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 23, 2016, 04:54:25 PM
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You're telling me that you crank down your axle nut with no play?
[close]

Yes
[close]

You're fuckin' up. Enjoy the slow.
[close]

 :D

Please explain how that makes the wheels spin slower. You think the inner race spins much on the axle when you're standing on the board? I can loosen the nuts on my trucks and I won't go any faster. I'll just get more rattle, which some people love and I don't really care that much about.

You haven't backed your arguments with any facts so far. Just random veiled insults. Is it because you can't actually back them as they are based on a whole lot of nothing or do you possess some high level knowledge about the physics of ball bearings and movement of objects that are locked down that other people just cannot understand?
[close]
Unless you're a physicist or a mechanical engineer, shut the fuck up. I don't have to back up shit. I don't have to justify this shit, skateboarding does it for me. I cranked down the nuts on my 3 year olds board. Guess what, be hardly rolls. If you use spacers, you still might get axle slip. The end. That should be it.
[close]

LOL. Great discussion. Great arguments man. Getting mad and retorting to insults? That's what people who run out of arguments do. You know it doesn't make you any more right if you shout louder or act more offensive?

I am an engineer, but not a mechanical engineer. Doesn't matter though. This is basic level physics they teach absolutely everyone, at least here in Finland.

I'm just tired of all this bullshit people keep spewing out regarding skating that has absolutely no basis in reality. Spacers do prevent axle slip and with a proper setup the wheels spin absolutely fine with the nuts tightened down, so that there is no play. I know skating is pretty much 95% mental and if using spacers, having no rattle etc. fucks you up, that's alright, you should do as you please. But people don't go around claiming your non-factual opinions as facts because of that.

Sorry about your kid's board. Maybe you should look into getting him a better setup before he starts getting axle slip and blown out bearings.
[close]
I cranked them down so he can't go fast. It worked. You know, applying pressure and friction, basic physics stuff, at least here in the U.S.
[close]

Sounds like you have something funky going on in your kid's setup if by tightening the nuts you increase friction inside the bearing while using spacers.   :o

Maybe your spacers are too short? I've heard of that happening. Never encountered those myself though.

No. It's just the way skateboards have been for at least the last 22 years.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on November 23, 2016, 06:28:15 PM
Nallid, does your kid's set-up have spacers? If not, that's why it gets slower, because you are aplying lateral pressure to the bearing, making unwanted side friction between the race and the balls. With spacers there's no pressure to the bearing so you can crack it all down and it will spin freely. This also prevents axle slip because there's no play for the axle to move when the nuts are cracked down.
So, I'm totally understanding what Roisto is saying.

(I dont use spacers tho, I never felt the need to)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 23, 2016, 08:19:24 PM
Quote from: Sk.A.T.A.N on November 23, 2016, 06:28:15 PM
Nallid, does your kid's set-up have spacers? If not, that's why it gets slower, because you are aplying lateral pressure to the bearing, making unwanted side friction between the race and the balls. With spacers there's no pressure to the bearing so you can crack it all down and it will spin freely. This also prevents axle slip because there's no play for the axle to move when the nuts are cracked down.
So, I'm totally understanding what Roisto is saying.

(I dont use spacers tho, I never felt the need to)

God damn it you're right, it doesn't.  I just put spacers in my set up and cranked the nut down and it rolls fine. Fuck, I was lied to by the drummer from Grandaddy more than 2 decades ago and never bothered to test otherwise... I need a minute...

I'M SORRY
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on November 23, 2016, 08:39:18 PM
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 23, 2016, 08:48:04 PM
LOL
talked about a heated discussion :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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You're telling me that you crank down your axle nut with no play?
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Yes
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You're fuckin' up. Enjoy the slow.
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 :D

Please explain how that makes the wheels spin slower. You think the inner race spins much on the axle when you're standing on the board? I can loosen the nuts on my trucks and I won't go any faster. I'll just get more rattle, which some people love and I don't really care that much about.

You haven't backed your arguments with any facts so far. Just random veiled insults. Is it because you can't actually back them as they are based on a whole lot of nothing or do you possess some high level knowledge about the physics of ball bearings and movement of objects that are locked down that other people just cannot understand?
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Unless you're a physicist or a mechanical engineer, shut the fuck up. I don't have to back up shit. I don't have to justify this shit, skateboarding does it for me. I cranked down the nuts on my 3 year olds board. Guess what, be hardly rolls. If you use spacers, you still might get axle slip. The end. That should be it.
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LOL. Great discussion. Great arguments man. Getting mad and retorting to insults? That's what people who run out of arguments do. You know it doesn't make you any more right if you shout louder or act more offensive?

I am an engineer, but not a mechanical engineer. Doesn't matter though. This is basic level physics they teach absolutely everyone, at least here in Finland.

I'm just tired of all this bullshit people keep spewing out regarding skating that has absolutely no basis in reality. Spacers do prevent axle slip and with a proper setup the wheels spin absolutely fine with the nuts tightened down, so that there is no play. I know skating is pretty much 95% mental and if using spacers, having no rattle etc. fucks you up, that's alright, you should do as you please. But people don't go around claiming your non-factual opinions as facts because of that.

Sorry about your kid's board. Maybe you should look into getting him a better setup before he starts getting axle slip and blown out bearings.
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I cranked them down so he can't go fast. It worked. You know, applying pressure and friction, basic physics stuff, at least here in the U.S.
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Sounds like you have something funky going on in your kid's setup if by tightening the nuts you increase friction inside the bearing while using spacers.� �:o

Maybe your spacers are too short? I've heard of that happening. Never encountered those myself though.
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No. It's just the way skateboards have been for at least the last 22 years.

Wrong again. I know spacers kinda died out in skating at some point for some reason and aren't super popular now either. And you can manage just fine without, but there are definitely advantages to using them wether you believe it or not.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on November 23, 2016, 08:59:05 PM
Quote from: Roisto on November 23, 2016, 08:48:20 PM
Wrong again. I know spacers kinda died out in skating at some point for some reason and aren't super popular now either. And you can manage just fine without, but there are definitely advantages to using them wether you believe it or not.  :)
because of their weight, we needed the lightest setup to make wizard late flip tricks back in the day, we even skated with 2 bolts per truck at one point...stupid experimentation times shit

ps : spacers were big and heavy back then, light ones were hard to find, in my area at least
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 23, 2016, 09:22:08 PM
Cheap bearings don't even come with them. I hadn't even seen a spacer until I bought my first set of Swiss a few years ago for my 30th birthday.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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You're telling me that you crank down your axle nut with no play?
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Yes
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You're fuckin' up. Enjoy the slow.
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 :D

Please explain how that makes the wheels spin slower. You think the inner race spins much on the axle when you're standing on the board? I can loosen the nuts on my trucks and I won't go any faster. I'll just get more rattle, which some people love and I don't really care that much about.

You haven't backed your arguments with any facts so far. Just random veiled insults. Is it because you can't actually back them as they are based on a whole lot of nothing or do you possess some high level knowledge about the physics of ball bearings and movement of objects that are locked down that other people just cannot understand?
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Unless you're a physicist or a mechanical engineer, shut the fuck up. I don't have to back up shit. I don't have to justify this shit, skateboarding does it for me. I cranked down the nuts on my 3 year olds board. Guess what, be hardly rolls. If you use spacers, you still might get axle slip. The end. That should be it.
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LOL. Great discussion. Great arguments man. Getting mad and retorting to insults? That's what people who run out of arguments do. You know it doesn't make you any more right if you shout louder or act more offensive?

I am an engineer, but not a mechanical engineer. Doesn't matter though. This is basic level physics they teach absolutely everyone, at least here in Finland.

I'm just tired of all this bullshit people keep spewing out regarding skating that has absolutely no basis in reality. Spacers do prevent axle slip and with a proper setup the wheels spin absolutely fine with the nuts tightened down, so that there is no play. I know skating is pretty much 95% mental and if using spacers, having no rattle etc. fucks you up, that's alright, you should do as you please. But people don't go around claiming your non-factual opinions as facts because of that.

Sorry about your kid's board. Maybe you should look into getting him a better setup before he starts getting axle slip and blown out bearings.
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I cranked them down so he can't go fast. It worked. You know, applying pressure and friction, basic physics stuff, at least here in the U.S.
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Sounds like you have something funky going on in your kid's setup if by tightening the nuts you increase friction inside the bearing while using spacers.� �:o

Maybe your spacers are too short? I've heard of that happening. Never encountered those myself though.
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No. It's just the way skateboards have been for at least the last 22 years.
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Wrong again. I know spacers kinda died out in skating at some point for some reason and aren't super popular now either. And you can manage just fine without, but there are definitely advantages to using them wether you believe it or not.  :)

Roisto, what kind of engineering do you do? I am mech eng but work at a flour mill and do not practice the ting. I am with you about spacer use but still will not use them because of the sound/weight issue
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 23, 2016, 11:19:39 PM
The knock on skating a tight set up is....your board sounds like a toy store board or dead.....your wheels feel softer.....your wheels don't make any noise when you slide.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 24, 2016, 12:15:04 AM
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The knock on skating a tight set up is....your board sounds like a toy store board or dead.....your wheels feel softer.....your wheels don't make any noise when you slide.....



it is THE worst feeling, isn't it? I tried to skate with spacers 2 weeks ago for axle slip reasons using super swiss and even with these high quality bearings my board was not fun to skate. I can only imagine what it would be like if i had used cheapos.
And @The Snake, yeah i have a few sets of old spacers and compared to the ones that come with bones swiss they are night and day regarding the weight. I would say up to 3 times that of a bones spacer. I got super precision scales at work so i can weigh each type if i remember to grab the spacers.

When spacers are used, the wheel can get damaged. The shitty tolerances by which skateboard products are made are the cause for this. Most spacers are slightly longer/shorter than the gap between the bearings (only by a fraction of a mm) and in the cases where the spacer is longer the wheel's bearing sockets can get worn. In the cases where the spacer is too short the wheel just rolls in steps.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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You're telling me that you crank down your axle nut with no play?
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Yes
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You're fuckin' up. Enjoy the slow.
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 :D

Please explain how that makes the wheels spin slower. You think the inner race spins much on the axle when you're standing on the board? I can loosen the nuts on my trucks and I won't go any faster. I'll just get more rattle, which some people love and I don't really care that much about.

You haven't backed your arguments with any facts so far. Just random veiled insults. Is it because you can't actually back them as they are based on a whole lot of nothing or do you possess some high level knowledge about the physics of ball bearings and movement of objects that are locked down that other people just cannot understand?
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Unless you're a physicist or a mechanical engineer, shut the fuck up. I don't have to back up shit. I don't have to justify this shit, skateboarding does it for me. I cranked down the nuts on my 3 year olds board. Guess what, be hardly rolls. If you use spacers, you still might get axle slip. The end. That should be it.
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LOL. Great discussion. Great arguments man. Getting mad and retorting to insults? That's what people who run out of arguments do. You know it doesn't make you any more right if you shout louder or act more offensive?

I am an engineer, but not a mechanical engineer. Doesn't matter though. This is basic level physics they teach absolutely everyone, at least here in Finland.

I'm just tired of all this bullshit people keep spewing out regarding skating that has absolutely no basis in reality. Spacers do prevent axle slip and with a proper setup the wheels spin absolutely fine with the nuts tightened down, so that there is no play. I know skating is pretty much 95% mental and if using spacers, having no rattle etc. fucks you up, that's alright, you should do as you please. But people don't go around claiming your non-factual opinions as facts because of that.

Sorry about your kid's board. Maybe you should look into getting him a better setup before he starts getting axle slip and blown out bearings.
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I cranked them down so he can't go fast. It worked. You know, applying pressure and friction, basic physics stuff, at least here in the U.S.
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Sounds like you have something funky going on in your kid's setup if by tightening the nuts you increase friction inside the bearing while using spacers.� �:o

Maybe your spacers are too short? I've heard of that happening. Never encountered those myself though.
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No. It's just the way skateboards have been for at least the last 22 years.
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Wrong again. I know spacers kinda died out in skating at some point for some reason and aren't super popular now either. And you can manage just fine without, but there are definitely advantages to using them wether you believe it or not.  :)
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Roisto, what kind of engineering do you do? I am mech eng but work at a flour mill and do not practice the ting. I am with you about spacer use but still will not use them because of the sound/weight issue

I work as a design engineer at the moment. I studied biotechnology, specializing in process engineering. Lately I've been mainly involved in process design, but I've done all sorts of other stuff too. I think that's what's fun with engineering, it gives you so many different options on what kind of work you can do. But, we're getting way off topic here.  :)

As for the sound issue: It's there for sure. I still get the screech when sliding though and once the bearings are more worn in, they start making more noise, but nowhere near as much as without spacers. I'm personally cool with a more silent setup. During the summer I skated my cruiser setup quite a bit with 87A Keyframes. That's quite silent with spacers and tightened down nuts, but the rough streets here in Finland do rattle things about enough that it's not exactly silent either. I have Ace 44s there, which I bought from Main. They had loose kingpins and made a really dead "klonk" sound when ollieing and made the whole setup sound more dead otherwise too. I epoxied the kingpins down and after that I've been loving it. Ace bottom bushing and Bones medium on top. Really nice surfy turn, but still stable enough.

Haven't noticed wheels feeling softer with a tightened down setup though.  :o
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on November 24, 2016, 12:53:51 AM
yep, old spacers were heavy, that's why i didn't ride them for almost 2 decades...until i got bones swiss for cheap few years ago
we should make a spacer thread now ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 24, 2016, 01:27:26 AM
haha, lets take slap a step further into ocd
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 24, 2016, 01:30:07 AM
i like spacers just because i can crank the nut down like grom times and still roll smooth
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on November 24, 2016, 02:21:55 AM
Guys, a set of spacers weighs less than a fart...  :-*
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: christ0v on November 24, 2016, 03:48:11 AM
Especially if it's a wet fart, since slap has some problems with that 
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Post by: Roisto on November 24, 2016, 04:38:39 AM
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Especially if it's a wet fart, since slap has some problems with that 

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Ha. Nail on the head! Maybe that's why I don't mind the extra few grams.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Especially if it's a wet fart, since slap has some problems with that 
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Ha. Nail on the head! Maybe that's why I don't mind the extra few grams.
Please tell me you are done arguing about spacers??hands down the most annoying posts I have seen on slap this year
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Especially if it's a wet fart, since slap has some problems with that 
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Ha. Nail on the head! Maybe that's why I don't mind the extra few grams.
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Please tell me you are done arguing about spacers??hands down the most annoying posts I have seen on slap this year

Yeah. Sorry y'all had to read it. I should know better by now than to start arguing on the internet. :) I'm just so fed up with all the non-factual bullshit stated as fact in skating.  :-\
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Especially if it's a wet fart, since slap has some problems with that 
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 :D

Ha. Nail on the head! Maybe that's why I don't mind the extra few grams.
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Please tell me you are done arguing about spacers??hands down the most annoying posts I have seen on slap this year
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Yeah. Sorry y'all had to read it. I should know better by now than to start arguing on the internet. :) I'm just so fed up with all the non-factual bullshit stated as fact in skating.  :-\
I've never had spacers, but this sentence i so fucking true. Team legitness, marketing and art direction are the only things that really matter in skateboarding. Most deck brands are from the same 6-7 factories, same for wheels, and event worse for trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Glue Reed on November 24, 2016, 03:06:18 PM
Does anybody have any suggestions how to keep my kingpin nut from falling off??

So not sure if anybody has this issue... i don't know if Indy is making shorter kingpins or what, and I don't ride my trucks particularly loose, but the nut on both my axle's are about a quarter turn from falling off.  In fact, today it just came off on my front truck when I was skating.  I ollied off a hip and watching the truck just fly away in mid-air.  Is there some sort of glue I can use or something?

I've heard about using a razorblade to make the bushings a tad smaller... i'm afraid to do that cause I don't want to fuck up the turning radius at all. 

Are the aftermarket bushing a little bigger than the stock ones? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on November 24, 2016, 03:25:36 PM
You can try removing your bottom washers, if you want them loose but the nut to stay on, works for me, but it does seem make things harder on the pivot cups
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: zippy z on November 24, 2016, 04:29:15 PM
And I'm considered a regular. You cunts take the fucking cake.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on November 24, 2016, 07:48:55 PM
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And I'm considered a regular. You cunts take the fucking cake.

Sofa king
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on November 24, 2016, 08:32:40 PM
I dunno. I understand that bearings in every other situation are tightened down.. But skating isn't real life. Aren't we supposed to be wearing helmets?

No spacers, rings, tiny wiggle = correct

Tightened with spacers = wrong, but if you like it who cares
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 24, 2016, 10:46:22 PM
If you need me.....ill be loosening my mounting hardware......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on November 24, 2016, 11:43:10 PM
ok so im gonna buy some trucks for my 9" set up, which one do you guys think is better,
independent forged hollows, or Theeve TiAX v3 ?
i skated the indys before and thought they were alright but i never skated any theeves so they look kinda interesting
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on November 25, 2016, 01:03:52 AM
Try the theeves and let us know how they work dawg, I'll gnar you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 25, 2016, 01:47:17 AM
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Try the theeves and let us know how they work dawg, I'll gnar you.
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: KronLaFlare on November 25, 2016, 08:57:04 AM
Quote from: ducky darnsworth on November 24, 2016, 11:43:10 PM
ok so im gonna buy some trucks for my 9" set up, which one do you guys think is better,
independent forged hollows, or Theeve TiAX v3 ?
i skated the indys before and thought they were alright but i never skated any theeves so they look kinda interesting
get Ace 55s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 27, 2016, 04:27:00 AM
Okay super obvious question and answer but for cylinder bushings the sharp edge side with the rebound circles on the surface touch the hangar yoke and the rounded edge with glossy surface touches the bottom washer right ?

I only ask cause back when I got a set of indy's the rounded edge side of the bushing was against the hangar but in other trucks like krux it wasn't but I wasn't sure which side of the bushing is set right

It's obviously sharp edge side with the circles on the surface to hangar cause that's how all bushings are setup right

When the rounded edge was against the hangar the trucks turned deeper but kinda slouched

When the sharp straight edge was on the hangar the trucks didn't turn as easy or deep but return to center real easy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: duzerdrof on November 27, 2016, 08:13:26 AM
For barrel/cylinder bushings I've always put the sharp edge against the hanger. Indy aftermarket bushings have tiny rings on the sharper surface that look like tread and in my mind it makes sense for the hander to grip there when pushing the bushing down during a turn. There's no wrong way to set up your trucks though, do whatever feels best!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on November 27, 2016, 05:16:04 PM
 I have some thunder 149 hi's coming soon,  think they'll work with 56 mm wheels and no risers?  I'm thinking I may need an 1/8 inch riser any experience?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on November 27, 2016, 05:23:39 PM
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I have some thunder 149 hi's coming soon,  think they'll work with 56 mm wheels and no risers?  I'm thinking I may need an 1/8 inch riser any experience?

You'll likely need risers. 54+ with Thunders, its mostly unavoidable unless you ride super tight trucks. Risers aren't a bad thing with Thunders though, as they are pretty low trucks and the risers will make 'em turn even better.
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I have some thunder 149 hi's coming soon,  think they'll work with 56 mm wheels and no risers?  I'm thinking I may need an 1/8 inch riser any experience?
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You'll likely need risers. 54+ with Thunders, its mostly unavoidable unless you ride super tight trucks. Risers aren't a bad thing with Thunders though, as they are pretty low trucks and the risers will make 'em turn even better.

Think that 1/8" is enough, or should I go with 1/4"?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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I have some thunder 149 hi's coming soon,  think they'll work with 56 mm wheels and no risers?  I'm thinking I may need an 1/8 inch riser any experience?
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You'll likely need risers. 54+ with Thunders, its mostly unavoidable unless you ride super tight trucks. Risers aren't a bad thing with Thunders though, as they are pretty low trucks and the risers will make 'em turn even better.
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Think that 1/8" is enough, or should I go with 1/4"?

I'd go 1/4" t be safe with 56mm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on November 27, 2016, 05:50:26 PM
I'd go 1/4" t be safe with 56mm

Good already have those on my current set up, I don't have to go to the shop.
Thanks for the input.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on November 28, 2016, 07:53:16 AM
1/8" will work and to me is preferable. 1/4" feels a tad hight for my taste. I ride loose and never had a serious wheel bite concern with 1/8" risers on thunder 149/ 151s even with wheels as big as 58mm.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 28, 2016, 08:35:24 AM
Yah I think hi truck and 56's shouldn't be too bad.....1/8th I think should be fine....tons of people skate 54's no riser on regular thunders.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 29, 2016, 09:30:34 PM
lifes so busy im starting to think does it matter much for what trucks you have anymore specs wise?

i say cause i dont get to skate as much as i use to anymore working and doing school that i feel the chance you get to skate since skating is so mental wouldnt it be easier to just skate the brand you like or want to support and just enjoy skateboarding?

probably not in the long run but dug up some good ole 149 reynolds gc hollows and plugged in some bones cause i like the rebound compared to the aftermarket indy cylinders more with the urethane and inserts and indys to me look more hesh with bones bushings since they are such a goto for pros that dont like the stock

i wanna see if indys are more decent than ive experienced in the past since i use to just ride them with the after markets but now got some bones in them, the after markets are good but theyre a little too soft for me for mediums, and im too lazy to get the 94ś. just gonna work with what i got :)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Turtle Boy on November 30, 2016, 02:25:55 AM
I've changed my long time indy139 /bones bushing for some thunder 147 /bones bushing and I'm so happy I did.
A lot of wheelbites at first, then, I got used and every bs 180 tricks work better for some reason.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: wBandito on December 01, 2016, 10:34:00 PM
Soooo: I hopped on the ace + Krux cushions bandwagon, but ended up giving the setup to my little bro before riding it, to hook him up.

Now I basically remade a similar setup for myself, but everywhere is out of Krux cushions and the ace stock is truly trash, people weren't exaggerating.... almost unsusable. Even shitty storefront sites that say they are in stock, get back to me 5 days later with the bad news.

What's the deal? Are Krux cushions out of production?

Shit sucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Thomas on December 02, 2016, 01:31:08 AM
I found some Krux bushings on ebay two weeks ago, ordered 2 sets so I'm good for a while.
Maybe go check in the Ace trucks thread, some cool guys posted links when I was looking for it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 02, 2016, 01:37:31 AM
I like indy's aesthetically and the idea behind it, I'm just not into the weight, and height but I think I fixed my Indy 149's on my small 8.12 to work for me by throwing some classic bones hards in there and so far it's good, not as good in control and feel like thunders but fun, maybe I'll forget height and weight eventually and just ride them cause they're fun and cool looking ahaha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on December 02, 2016, 07:59:39 AM
I really warmed up to the stage 11's, especially that deep turn! It's so nice when you're on any kind of tranny. I don't even think about the height and weight anymore :-*

Plus I can run 57mm conical fulls without risers!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on December 02, 2016, 10:16:05 AM
Nail polish remover removes paint from trucks, right?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on December 02, 2016, 10:24:35 AM
Quote from: wBandito on December 01, 2016, 10:34:00 PM
Soooo: I hopped on the ace + Krux cushions bandwagon, but ended up giving the setup to my little bro before riding it, to hook him up.

Now I basically remade a similar setup for myself, but everywhere is out of Krux cushions and the ace stock is truly trash, people weren't exaggerating.... almost unsusable. Even shitty storefront sites that say they are in stock, get back to me 5 days later with the bad news.

What's the deal? Are Krux cushions out of production?

Shit sucks.

You're in luck. Last one.
http://www.saltypeaks.com/products/31830/Krux-Worlds-Best-Cushions-Bushings-92a.html (http://www.saltypeaks.com/products/31830/Krux-Worlds-Best-Cushions-Bushings-92a.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 03, 2016, 01:40:57 AM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on December 02, 2016, 10:16:05 AM
Nail polish remover removes paint from trucks, right?

Yeah, I did that with a set of black theeves
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on December 03, 2016, 07:08:04 AM
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Nail polish remover removes paint from trucks, right?
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Yeah, I did that with a set of black theeves

peels right off
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on December 03, 2016, 09:01:54 AM
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Nail polish remover removes paint from trucks, right?
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Yeah, I did that with a set of black theeves
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peels right off

I think it depends. I rubbed a logo off some Indys with a little acetone and cotton balls, but I let a baseplate sit overnight in acetone and it didn't do shit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on December 04, 2016, 04:37:57 AM
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Nail polish remover removes paint from trucks, right?
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Yeah, I did that with a set of black theeves
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peels right off
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I think it depends. I rubbed a logo off some Indys with a little acetone and cotton balls, but I let a baseplate sit overnight in acetone and it didn't do shit.

Might be anodized. You can remove that also, but I'm not exactly sure how it's done.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on December 04, 2016, 06:30:23 PM
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Nail polish remover removes paint from trucks, right?
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Yeah, I did that with a set of black theeves
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peels right off
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I think it depends. I rubbed a logo off some Indys with a little acetone and cotton balls, but I let a baseplate sit overnight in acetone and it didn't do shit.

if you're having a hard time getting the paint off, you should use some sandpaper to give the acetone some surface to start chewing on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on December 04, 2016, 08:44:02 PM
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Nail polish remover removes paint from trucks, right?
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Yeah, I did that with a set of black theeves
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peels right off
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I think it depends. I rubbed a logo off some Indys with a little acetone and cotton balls, but I let a baseplate sit overnight in acetone and it didn't do shit.
[close]

if you're having a hard time getting the paint off, you should use some sandpaper to give the acetone some surface to start chewing on.

also, it's best to use 100% acetone. some nail polish is not.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on December 05, 2016, 08:08:04 PM
So ran my new Thunder team 149's with no risers and F4 56mm conical fulls. It wasn't too bad stock (clear yellow) bushings are very mushy feeling & the wheel bite wasn't too bad. Every board I've had has wheel rub marks on it though so I didn't think twice about that. If these bushings don't work out I'll throw in some Indy reds.

But going from some Indy stage 7or8 to Thunder with no risers was strange, any pop that had feels like it's gone, and I couldn't get a nose slide to work at all. Is the geometry so much different that it would affect the nose/tail slides? And being low is strange, I will be adding some risers, but I'll give it a few more sessions as is before any changes get made. Do you guys feel like you can get good pop from low boards like this?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on December 05, 2016, 08:11:24 PM
Quote from: NJFly318 on December 05, 2016, 08:08:04 PM
So ran my new Thunder team 149's with no risers and F4 56mm conical fulls. It wasn't too bad stock (clear yellow) bushings are very mushy feeling & the wheel bite wasn't too bad. Every board I've had has wheel rub marks on it though so I didn't think twice about that. If these bushings don't work out I'll throw in some Indy reds.

But going from some Indy stage 7or8 to Thunder with no risers was strange, any pop that had feels like it's gone, and I couldn't get a nose slide to work at all. Is the geometry so much different that it would affect the nose/tail slides? And being low is strange, I will be adding some risers, but I'll give it a few more sessions as is before any changes get made. Do you guys feel like you can get good pop from low boards like this?

I've def noticed the same between Indy and Thunders. nothing you can't get used to but there's a big difference in timing on some tricks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on December 05, 2016, 08:49:38 PM
Quote from: NJFly318 on December 05, 2016, 08:08:04 PM
So ran my new Thunder team 149's with no risers and F4 56mm conical fulls. It wasn't too bad stock (clear yellow) bushings are very mushy feeling & the wheel bite wasn't too bad. Every board I've had has wheel rub marks on it though so I didn't think twice about that. If these bushings don't work out I'll throw in some Indy reds.

But going from some Indy stage 7or8 to Thunder with no risers was strange, any pop that had feels like it's gone, and I couldn't get a nose slide to work at all. Is the geometry so much different that it would affect the nose/tail slides? And being low is strange, I will be adding some risers, but I'll give it a few more sessions as is before any changes get made. Do you guys feel like you can get good pop from low boards like this?

I'm pretty sure the nose/tailside thing that people notice with thunders is because of the angle of the hangar and shape of the baseplate. Thunder hangers are pushed out towards the nose so and has a flat baseplate so it feels like you're mostly sliding on your wheels. Indy and especially Ace are further inward so you get that comfy baseplate slide. Venture hangers are closer to thunder's, but the baseplate sticks out more so you're still sliding more on that. I can still slide pretty far with thunders, but I have to use a harder wheel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 05, 2016, 09:04:43 PM
Quote from: NJFly318 on December 05, 2016, 08:08:04 PM
So ran my new Thunder team 149's with no risers and F4 56mm conical fulls. It wasn't too bad stock (clear yellow) bushings are very mushy feeling & the wheel bite wasn't too bad. Every board I've had has wheel rub marks on it though so I didn't think twice about that. If these bushings don't work out I'll throw in some Indy reds.

But going from some Indy stage 7or8 to Thunder with no risers was strange, any pop that had feels like it's gone, and I couldn't get a nose slide to work at all. Is the geometry so much different that it would affect the nose/tail slides? And being low is strange, I will be adding some risers, but I'll give it a few more sessions as is before any changes get made. Do you guys feel like you can get good pop from low boards like this?

*raises hand* I've recently been in the same boat so here is my advice/ what I've learned:
1. someone on here mentioned it, but just run with those standard bushings for 3 or 4 sessions without touching them and they'll eventually break in (they suck in the beginning). I have confirmed this and recently gave them one full turn and they are definitely not mushy anymore.
2. pop sucks if your coming from indys, like seriously sucks. I was floundering around on my board looking like a clown. After my 4th sesh on them it seems like my body has adjusted to the timing. They also lengthen up your wheelbase too which will fuck with your head ... heavily!
3. Haven't noticed that much of a difference in the noseslide dept. but I've already got mine on some 1/8 risers (w/ 54mm wheels) which probably puts them at the same height as old skool indys
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on December 05, 2016, 10:30:14 PM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on December 04, 2016, 06:30:23 PM
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Nail polish remover removes paint from trucks, right?
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Yeah, I did that with a set of black theeves
[close]

peels right off
[close]

I think it depends. I rubbed a logo off some Indys with a little acetone and cotton balls, but I let a baseplate sit overnight in acetone and it didn't do shit.
[close]

if you're having a hard time getting the paint off, you should use some sandpaper to give the acetone some surface to start chewing on.

ive only used them on hangers so you could be right... i left a pair of hangers to sit in paint thinner over night and didnt do shit... same hangers in nail-polish remover for 45 min and it peeled right off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: danjtony on December 06, 2016, 12:23:48 AM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on December 05, 2016, 09:04:43 PM
Quote from: NJFly318 on December 05, 2016, 08:08:04 PM
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So ran my new Thunder team 149's with no risers and F4 56mm conical fulls. It wasn't too bad stock (clear yellow) bushings are very mushy feeling & the wheel bite wasn't too bad. Every board I've had has wheel rub marks on it though so I didn't think twice about that. If these bushings don't work out I'll throw in some Indy reds.

But going from some Indy stage 7or8 to Thunder with no risers was strange, any pop that had feels like it's gone, and I couldn't get a nose slide to work at all. Is the geometry so much different that it would affect the nose/tail slides? And being low is strange, I will be adding some risers, but I'll give it a few more sessions as is before any changes get made. Do you guys feel like you can get good pop from low boards like this?
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*raises hand* I've recently been in the same boat so here is my advice/ what I've learned:
1. someone on here mentioned it, but just run with those standard bushings for 3 or 4 sessions without touching them and they'll eventually break in (they suck in the beginning). I have confirmed this and recently gave them one full turn and they are definitely not mushy anymore.
2. pop sucks if your coming from indys, like seriously sucks. I was floundering around on my board looking like a clown. After my 4th sesh on them it seems like my body has adjusted to the timing. They also lengthen up your wheelbase too which will fuck with your head ... heavily!
3. Haven't noticed that much of a difference in the noseslide dept. but I've already got mine on some 1/8 risers (w/ 54mm wheels) which probably puts them at the same height as old skool indys


I really don't know how people can ride thunders without risers, unless your trucks are tight as fuck. Even tried 51mm wheels, and they still bit hard for me (and that's at like medium looseness).

Was always kind of hesitant towards risers, but thunder 149's with a little 1/8th pad turn beautifully. Get's you a little more pop too. But that's for my 54mm wheels. If I was riding 56+, I'd prolly consider 1/4th risers (seems high, but really it's the same as reg Indy's with 1/8th pads).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: commander jameson on December 06, 2016, 01:32:56 AM
Quote from: fulfillthedream on December 05, 2016, 10:30:14 PM
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Nail polish remover removes paint from trucks, right?
[close]

Yeah, I did that with a set of black theeves
[close]

peels right off
[close]

I think it depends. I rubbed a logo off some Indys with a little acetone and cotton balls, but I let a baseplate sit overnight in acetone and it didn't do shit.
[close]

if you're having a hard time getting the paint off, you should use some sandpaper to give the acetone some surface to start chewing on.
[close]

ive only used them on hangers so you could be right... i left a pair of hangers to sit in paint thinner over night and didnt do shit... same hangers in nail-polish remover for 45 min and it peeled right off.

Best way to remove logos or paint from trucks is to use nitro paint thinner, rub it with rag or cotton balls on trucks and paint will start to come off.
Just make sure to do it in well ventilated area or in open.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on December 06, 2016, 03:15:10 AM
Quote from: danjtony on December 06, 2016, 12:23:48 AM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on December 05, 2016, 09:04:43 PM
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So ran my new Thunder team 149's with no risers and F4 56mm conical fulls. It wasn't too bad stock (clear yellow) bushings are very mushy feeling & the wheel bite wasn't too bad. Every board I've had has wheel rub marks on it though so I didn't think twice about that. If these bushings don't work out I'll throw in some Indy reds.

But going from some Indy stage 7or8 to Thunder with no risers was strange, any pop that had feels like it's gone, and I couldn't get a nose slide to work at all. Is the geometry so much different that it would affect the nose/tail slides? And being low is strange, I will be adding some risers, but I'll give it a few more sessions as is before any changes get made. Do you guys feel like you can get good pop from low boards like this?
[close]

*raises hand* I've recently been in the same boat so here is my advice/ what I've learned:
1. someone on here mentioned it, but just run with those standard bushings for 3 or 4 sessions without touching them and they'll eventually break in (they suck in the beginning). I have confirmed this and recently gave them one full turn and they are definitely not mushy anymore.
2. pop sucks if your coming from indys, like seriously sucks. I was floundering around on my board looking like a clown. After my 4th sesh on them it seems like my body has adjusted to the timing. They also lengthen up your wheelbase too which will fuck with your head ... heavily!
3. Haven't noticed that much of a difference in the noseslide dept. but I've already got mine on some 1/8 risers (w/ 54mm wheels) which probably puts them at the same height as old skool indys

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I really don't know how people can ride thunders without risers, unless your trucks are tight as fuck. Even tried 51mm wheels, and they still bit hard for me (and that's at like medium looseness).

Was always kind of hesitant towards risers, but thunder 149's with a little 1/8th pad turn beautifully. Get's you a little more pop too. But that's for my 54mm wheels. If I was riding 56+, I'd prolly consider 1/4th risers (seems high, but really it's the same as reg Indy's with 1/8th pads).


I am on the opposite side. The reason i ride thunders is because of them being very low even though i learnt to skate with old school boards, 60+mm wheels with riser pads and all. Now I am mainly using 52mm wheels that i wear down to about 47mm and that's when my set up feels more on point. I used to ride indys all the time in the early 90's but in the last 10-15 years if i get anything but the low ones my pop is totally gone. My timing gets fucked and when i pop the tip hardly hits the ground. I figured this especially happens when i don't have to pop THAT high i.e. trying a switch nose manual on a very low pad. The subtle pop that is needed simply never occurs. Never had noticable issues with wheelbite and even in this case i will just smear some wax over the bite marks on my board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 06, 2016, 04:18:22 AM
That's how I feel, need that lowered truck for quicker pop response
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on December 06, 2016, 05:38:22 AM
Anyone tried the super soft (white) Indy aftermarket bushings? I just ordered some to try to get these krux k4s to turn. Still baffled by these plastic shitty bushings everyone swears by.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on December 06, 2016, 06:19:37 AM
Quote from: rob on December 06, 2016, 04:18:22 AM
That's how I feel, need that lowered truck for quicker pop response

However, every time i see someone ollie higher than me they are always riding a bigger set up. Higher trucks (indy standards are very popular in my area -either this or destructo), bigger board/wheels. Makes my kit look weak haha. I usually think that i should join the club at some point but right now i just want to enjoy my time skating.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: danjtony on December 06, 2016, 07:10:36 AM
Yeah I can appreciate why people like thunders the way they are. the lower pop feels great for certain things, but personally I need more turn. Also definitely am not someone who can naturally pop high, so I take any advantage I can get. Get me some Thunders with 1/8th risers and it just feels good when I smack that tail on the ground.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on December 06, 2016, 07:27:40 AM
I went the safe route and have been riding my Venture 5.25 lows again. No slight against Thunder either, pleasantly surprised by how they ride. I just feel more natural on my ventures. I even went as far as to buy a Venture hoodie and long sleeve to solidify my decision (for the time being, until I change my mind again and then have to buy a Thunder hoodie and long sleeve). I think I just need to stay in this safe realm for now due to my lack of consistent skate time. I may be regular but I actually find the venture low 5.25 and thunder hi 147 to feel pretty similar minus the stock bushings (I don't like changing bushings but I have 2 sets of supercush in case I ever get sassy). If I can start getting more regular skate time I will probably go back n forth between brands though. I almost feel like a traitor for my lack of interest in Indy as I was "one of those guys" for most of my "career". I just can't skate them like I used to
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on December 06, 2016, 08:28:50 AM
Quote from: Bizarro Jerry on December 06, 2016, 05:38:22 AM
Anyone tried the super soft (white) Indy aftermarket bushings? I just ordered some to try to get these krux k4s to turn. Still baffled by these plastic shitty bushings everyone swears by.

I don't think it's the bushings man. I had Krux and thought the bushings were way too soft, but the trucks still didn't really turn very deep at all. Krux bushings in Ace was terrible IMO. Way too soft and turned deep as fuck with the slightest movement. But on Krux they were just unstable in the middle and but still didn't give me a proper turn. I suggest you get Aces instead if you wanna turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on December 06, 2016, 09:10:02 AM
Quote from: rob on December 06, 2016, 04:18:22 AM
That's how I feel, need that lowered truck for quicker pop response

I guess I have to get the timing & feeling down, the bushing issue will work itself out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: calvinsdream on December 06, 2016, 10:18:04 AM
Quote from: Bizarro Jerry on December 06, 2016, 05:38:22 AM
Anyone tried the super soft (white) Indy aftermarket bushings? I just ordered some to try to get these krux k4s to turn. Still baffled by these plastic shitty bushings everyone swears by.

YES. They're awesome - very surfy and responsive. I expected they would blow out quick but they're my #2 choice now (blue conicals being the first).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 06, 2016, 10:28:38 AM
Quote from: calvinsdream on December 06, 2016, 10:18:04 AM
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Anyone tried the super soft (white) Indy aftermarket bushings? I just ordered some to try to get these krux k4s to turn. Still baffled by these plastic shitty bushings everyone swears by.
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YES. They're awesome - very surfy and responsive. I expected they would blow out quick but they're my #2 choice now (blue conicals being the first).

The Indy 88a are fantastic.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 06, 2016, 09:34:55 PM
Quote from: Esquivel on December 06, 2016, 06:19:37 AM
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That's how I feel, need that lowered truck for quicker pop response
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However, every time i see someone ollie higher than me they are always riding a bigger set up. Higher trucks (indy standards are very popular in my area -either this or destructo), bigger board/wheels. Makes my kit look weak haha. I usually think that i should join the club at some point but right now i just want to enjoy my time skating.

i know what you mean about getting giant pop cause the angle of higher bigger stuff helps get you up and over but truthfully if you look at the guys who can get crazy pop some of them ride lower stuff(low trucks, small wheels) like luis tolentino, the guy rode 145 thunder lows and some how pops over the tallest things.

i feel pop really just comes from board feel and how far back you position your front foot to drag the board up higher and energy you put into it. back in the mid 2000 when i was skating all day every day i rode krux 3.5/7.6 downlows and could ollie 4-5 decks tall, it was all in how you try to rocket your pop up and over/popping your hardest and evening out your board at the tip top you could best.

higher trucks do help but i say, if you have a good feeling setup that gives you the best boardfeel and response you can do anything you put your mind to, cause you know. skating is 90% mental or some hocus pocus those guys who rip and ride crappy boards do it and how those little kids are able to kickflip a set on a board with no tail and barely a nose haha

always the supposed, ride what you like and just enjoy skating. but we slap posters arent here for that mumbo jumbo. we want the best gear and feedback on what we dont have
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 06, 2016, 10:38:34 PM
Pop has nothing to do with kit. It is your ability to ollie, you either have it or you don't.

As I age, the one constant is my pop, I can still clear about the same height now as I could then, regardless of truck height and wheel size.

That said:

Thunders and small wheels.

Indy/ACE and big(ger) wheels.

Crispy/snappy wood is a must, short, steep tails, medium WB, sticky grip and something to set your sights on getting over. It's about the 'hoist' ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on December 06, 2016, 11:28:45 PM
not sure where to post but i got a new bastard child mix up im trying to tune right now
(https://s19.postimg.org/kfmpc0e8j/20161206_224941_Copy.jpg)

thunder team baseplate
new updated bones hard bushing
thunder hollow hanger
krux downlow kingpin
ricta sparx wheels (one side is flat the other is slightly rounded, kinda interesting)
bones swiss six
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on December 07, 2016, 01:43:50 AM
Quote from: Xen on December 06, 2016, 10:38:34 PM
and something to set your sights on getting over. It's about the 'hoist' ;)
this. On the old skate warehouse forums (Rip)  somebody posted a thread about how high can you ollie , and Jarvis, who is an employee there, said in a non-cocky, matter-of-fact way, "as high as I need to."
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 07, 2016, 09:13:20 PM
guys guys GUYS and possible female skate heads out there...

i was setting up a cruiser with the mini logo trucks...

dude!...mini logo trucks are very legit. i didnt warm up or anything and literally the setup felt so good. got a nice high kickflip second try, some nollie 180ś, got a good switch flip attempt. switch ollie and just getting a high ollie were on super sharp point! these trucks got me

they were like a lower lighter thunder with so much control and response. idk how to describe it but damn. these mini logo trucks are the most under rated trucks ever. skate1 really put work in what they make, first stfś get me and now these mini logo trucks, they just need to redesign the look and they would be perfect.

i couldnt believe how good they were and was so baffled and amazed i have to get another set but in that 8.38 size ;D

if anyone out here is looking for a good street truck all i have to say IN MY OPINION is this is the top list

thunder
mini logo
ace
and its between royal and indy last cause they have their kinda major ups and downs in my opinion

like royals have this nice response to pop and flip tricks, they grind okay to good but turning wise they do hit a stop point on the carve

indys are solid, well built, turn deep, grind nice, but heavy and tall.

i know ima get kooked for this but hate on i stand by my opinion and i know my stuff, i aint no youtube revive braile loving grom trolling the net with biased opinions or some noob who doesnt know the difference between durometer and size
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on December 07, 2016, 09:45:26 PM
Quote from: rob on December 07, 2016, 09:13:20 PM
guys guys GUYS and possible female skate heads out there...

i was setting up a cruiser with the mini logo trucks...

dude!...mini logo trucks are very legit. i didnt warm up or anything and literally the setup felt so good. got a nice high kickflip second try, some nollie 180ś, got a good switch flip attempt. switch ollie and just getting a high ollie were on super sharp point! these trucks got me

they were like a lower lighter thunder with so much control and response. idk how to describe it but damn. these mini logo trucks are the most under rated trucks ever. skate1 really put work in what they make, first stfś get me and now these mini logo trucks, they just need to redesign the look and they would be perfect.

i couldnt believe how good they were and was so baffled and amazed i have to get another set but in that 8.38 size ;D

if anyone out here is looking for a good street truck all i have to say IN MY OPINION is this is the top list

thunder
mini logo
ace
and its between royal and indy last cause they have their kinda major ups and downs in my opinion

like royals have this nice response to pop and flip tricks, they grind okay to good but turning wise they do hit a stop point on the carve

indys are solid, well built, turn deep, grind nice, but heavy and tall.

i know ima get kooked for this but hate on i stand by my opinion and i know my stuff, i aint no youtube revive braile loving grom trolling the net with biased opinions or some noob who doesnt know the difference between durometer and size
that got me curious, and im looking at them right now and the shape is kinda weirding me out, not sure if its just the pictures on there website or what
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 07, 2016, 09:50:27 PM
its the actual shape ahaha

mini logo trucks are one of those things in life where its not aesthetically appealing but they work very well and satisfy the wants/needs

the hangar supposed to be bowed like ace does so you lock in to grinds better

i say if you got the money try them, theyre cheap and trust. they work. they work very well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Opoin on December 07, 2016, 09:51:08 PM
Quote from: ducky darnsworth on December 07, 2016, 09:45:26 PM
that got me curious, and im looking at them right now and the shape is kinda weirding me out, not sure if its just the pictures on there website or what

Nah, mini-logo trucks just look really weird.  But if they're really as good as Rob says, I say give em a shot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: wBandito on December 07, 2016, 10:48:08 PM
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Soooo: I hopped on the ace + Krux cushions bandwagon, but ended up giving the setup to my little bro before riding it, to hook him up.

Now I basically remade a similar setup for myself, but everywhere is out of Krux cushions and the ace stock is truly trash, people weren't exaggerating.... almost unsusable. Even shitty storefront sites that say they are in stock, get back to me 5 days later with the bad news.

What's the deal? Are Krux cushions out of production?

Shit sucks.
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You're in luck. Last one.
http://www.saltypeaks.com/products/31830/Krux-Worlds-Best-Cushions-Bushings-92a.html (http://www.saltypeaks.com/products/31830/Krux-Worlds-Best-Cushions-Bushings-92a.html)

Thank you! They just arrived.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 07, 2016, 11:17:52 PM
Yeah...mini logo trucks feel good...the finishing looks cheap...and aesthetically they look awkward but bang for the buck super good....if they didn't say 'mini logo' they'd be the next ace.....

I'm guessing Powell has had this holy grail of a truck that he's been unable to produce to his liking so they make in in China cheap and sell them as price point but I'm sure they are on par with everything else on the market....

If they put in the krux kingpin called it anything else the boards would light up.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 07, 2016, 11:54:35 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 07, 2016, 11:17:52 PM
Yeah...mini logo trucks feel good...the finishing looks cheap...and aesthetically they look awkward but bang for the buck super good....if they didn't say 'mini logo' they'd be the next ace.....

I'm guessing Powell has had this holy grail of a truck that he's been unable to produce to his liking so they make in in China cheap and sell them as price point but I'm sure they are on par with everything else on the market....

If they put in the krux kingpin called it anything else the boards would light up.....

so glad your on the same boat j soy, seriously idk who was in the development team with george powell working on these bad boys for 5 years but it paid off. sad they dont look more...hmmm...cool ahaha but hey if theyre making skating a better experience i can ignore the looks

definitely getting another pair, got the 8' but i like the stability of something bigger than an 8 but smaller than an 8.5 so those 8.38 mini logo are gonna be a good fit

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on December 08, 2016, 02:10:37 AM
There was a dude on here years back that was singing praises of mini logos trucks. JBones, anyone else remember that?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on December 08, 2016, 05:55:25 AM
good to have feedback on these trucks. how about the axles, Rob? any slippage yet?
also, i don't mind the cheapo finish -just wish the logo on the hanger was more mini :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on December 08, 2016, 07:33:49 AM
Mini Logo trucks are perfectly fine until the hard plastic pivot cup breaks down. Then you are left with wobbly hangers.

Otherwise they are pretty decent/good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 08, 2016, 08:29:40 AM
Honestly...that's what got theeve off the ground....bones bushings...Powell could throw in their own cushions rebrand and there ya go.....

But it's Powell..the do what they do....

Made in China is unfortunately the new standard on trucks so there's nothing wrong with these ones....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 08, 2016, 09:49:45 AM
Quote from: Esquivel on December 08, 2016, 05:55:25 AM
good to have feedback on these trucks. how about the axles, Rob? any slippage yet?
also, i don't mind the cheapo finish -just wish the logo on the hanger was more mini :)

When I set them up and after some riding I didn't notice anything up with the axles so I would say no slippage so far  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on December 09, 2016, 12:42:32 AM
^ good, i am yet to try the thunders i welded. At this point, my number 1 criteria is axle slip. get me a low-ish truck with no axle slip and im game.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on December 09, 2016, 08:47:45 AM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on December 08, 2016, 02:10:37 AM
There was a dude on here years back that was singing praises of mini logos trucks. JBones, anyone else remember that?

yea, he had a whole blog dedicated to trucks.  didn't he focus after the shitstorm that was unleashed upon him for loving mini logo trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on December 09, 2016, 02:16:20 PM
If you skate mini logo trucks you're a kook.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on December 09, 2016, 02:29:06 PM
Quote from: Main on December 09, 2016, 02:16:20 PM
If you skate mini logo trucks you're a kook.
well im gonna be king kook in the next couple of weeks then
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 09, 2016, 03:32:28 PM
Just ordered some 8.5 Theeve TiKings and setup some Thunders.  Should be an interesting week
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on December 09, 2016, 05:34:41 PM
I wish I was smarter, I'd make some machined steel trucks with a one piece hanger. Ultimate tolerances, ultimate money for zimmer!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: judge reinhold on December 09, 2016, 07:35:31 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BNptey6DfHk/?taken-by=thundertrucks&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BNptey6DfHk/?taken-by=thundertrucks&hl=en)

wondering if anyone has any info on these?? higher 147's would be nice
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on December 09, 2016, 07:44:07 PM
Quote from: ducky darnsworth on December 09, 2016, 02:29:06 PM
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If you skate mini logo trucks you're a kook.
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well im gonna be king kook in the next couple of weeks then
haha
prepare for the shitstorm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on December 09, 2016, 07:59:26 PM
Quote from: the snake on December 09, 2016, 07:44:07 PM
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If you skate mini logo trucks you're a kook.
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well im gonna be king kook in the next couple of weeks then
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haha
prepare for the shitstorm
if buying a set of trucks actually causes a five page shit show then i'd say money well spent
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on December 09, 2016, 08:41:28 PM
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If you skate mini logo trucks you're a kook.
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well im gonna be king kook in the next couple of weeks then
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haha
prepare for the shitstorm
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if buying a set of trucks actually causes a five page shit show then i'd say money well spent

Haha, I'm fucking around. But really though? Mini Logo's....Come on son.

I'm now hard wondering about these new higher axle Thunders... Who's got the scoop?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: obZen on December 09, 2016, 09:23:51 PM
Quote from: Main on December 09, 2016, 02:16:20 PM
If you skate mini logo trucks you're a kook.

You're a kook if you care what trucks someone puts on their board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on December 09, 2016, 09:31:01 PM
Quote from: Main on December 09, 2016, 08:41:28 PM
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If you skate mini logo trucks you're a kook.
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well im gonna be king kook in the next couple of weeks then
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haha
prepare for the shitstorm
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if buying a set of trucks actually causes a five page shit show then i'd say money well spent
[close]

Haha, I'm fucking around. But really though? Mini Logo's....Come on son.

I'm now hard wondering about these new higher axle Thunders... Who's got the scoop?
I'm pretty sure they just took their hollow hangar and put it on the non-forged, team baseplates
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on December 09, 2016, 09:39:10 PM
Quote from: GOATMOON on December 09, 2016, 09:31:01 PM
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If you skate mini logo trucks you're a kook.
[close]
well im gonna be king kook in the next couple of weeks then
[close]
haha
prepare for the shitstorm
[close]
if buying a set of trucks actually causes a five page shit show then i'd say money well spent
[close]

Haha, I'm fucking around. But really though? Mini Logo's....Come on son.

I'm now hard wondering about these new higher axle Thunders... Who's got the scoop?
[close]
I'm pretty sure they just took their hollow hangar and put it on the non-forged, team baseplates

damn, i thought it was gonna be a forged version of the team baseplates, and where the hell do you guys find this information at anyway,
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Shifty Flip on December 09, 2016, 09:57:03 PM
Quote from: judge reinhold on December 09, 2016, 07:35:31 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BNptey6DfHk/?taken-by=thundertrucks&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BNptey6DfHk/?taken-by=thundertrucks&hl=en)

wondering if anyone has any info on these?? higher 147's would be nice

Insert Judge Rinehold mugshot photo here please
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 09, 2016, 11:14:10 PM
Quote from: ducky darnsworth on December 09, 2016, 02:29:06 PM
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If you skate mini logo trucks you're a kook.
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well im gonna be king kook in the next couple of weeks then

Same here, they're good trucks. Plus if they help you skate better and people see you shred they're not gonna care that you ride mini logos, if my tricks pop higher and I have more control and consistency I'm happy. I could ride my Indy 149 and be a cool guy but they're not for me, too high and heavy for ME, I gotta pop extra and jump a few mm higher so I can land my tricks and after a kickflips or 2 a heel flip and some other 2 tricks I'm winded

Quote from: GOATMOON on December 09, 2016, 09:31:01 PM
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If you skate mini logo trucks you're a kook.
[close]
well im gonna be king kook in the next couple of weeks then
[close]
haha
prepare for the shitstorm
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if buying a set of trucks actually causes a five page shit show then i'd say money well spent
[close]

Haha, I'm fucking around. But really though? Mini Logo's....Come on son.

I'm now hard wondering about these new higher axle Thunders... Who's got the scoop?
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I'm pretty sure they just took their hollow hangar and put it on the non-forged, team baseplates


That's 99% what's up cause the inside told me they were working on doing gc hollows/ non forged hollow version of standard thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on December 10, 2016, 01:38:23 AM
Anyone know what grit sandpaper sands a top bushing down quick?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on December 10, 2016, 08:23:55 AM
Quote from: Main on December 10, 2016, 01:38:23 AM
Anyone know what grit sandpaper sands a top bushing down quick?
Just spend 45 minutes doing it on an old skateboards grip.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Julz on December 10, 2016, 09:22:59 AM
Quote from: judge reinhold on December 09, 2016, 07:35:31 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BNptey6DfHk/?taken-by=thundertrucks&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BNptey6DfHk/?taken-by=thundertrucks&hl=en)

wondering if anyone has any info on these?? higher 147's would be nice

David Rayes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on December 10, 2016, 12:35:36 PM
Quote from: judge reinhold on December 09, 2016, 07:35:31 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BNptey6DfHk/?taken-by=thundertrucks&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BNptey6DfHk/?taken-by=thundertrucks&hl=en)

wondering if anyone has any info on these?? higher 147's would be nice

looks like its just the hollow lights on a standard baseplate (slightly higher) instead of the forged that they used to come with. its a good idea.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 11, 2016, 01:30:07 AM
okay i got it,

so i recently been on a truck swap and test run, and i disregard what i felt about venture lo.

theyre good trucks. nice low and control but that pushed out hangar design or the geometry with the cylinder bushings makes the turn response slow so tight and deep turns are somewhat a hassle but nothing too major if you dont mind tic tac ing a little. the ventures lo height and tight stable turn style make them good for control on tricks, my kickflips were very popped, controlled and caught and all my other tricks felt very on point with pop and all

now i definitely can tell you, mini logos are ventures but with a quicker deeper turn, you get the nice pop and control like ventures but you also get a thunder/a bit faster indy deep turn. so ventures that turn quicker and deeper=mini logo trucks

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Rick Sanchez on December 11, 2016, 01:55:35 AM
They could be the greatest trucks ever made, I ain't riding mini logo anything
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on December 11, 2016, 06:39:42 AM
Quote from: Rick Sanchez on December 11, 2016, 01:55:35 AM
They could be the greatest trucks ever made, I ain't riding mini logo anything

mini logo has always been a price point brand and in just about any industry a price point product automatically means its inferior to what the brands standard is.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on December 11, 2016, 08:26:05 AM
Quote from: N.L. on December 10, 2016, 12:35:36 PM
Quote from: judge reinhold on December 09, 2016, 07:35:31 PM
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wondering if anyone has any info on these?? higher 147's would be nice
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looks like its just the hollow lights on a standard baseplate (slightly higher) instead of the forged that they used to come with. its a good idea.

Where did you find a pic of the new truck? I will buy them in a heartbeat as long as there's no thunder logos on the hanger and they leave it raw.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on December 11, 2016, 04:05:00 PM
I'm a little scared if Thunder changes the height on the hollows
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on December 11, 2016, 04:17:10 PM
the change in height is 1mm... it's literally the least needed change ever. on 147s you're still better off running 1/8 risers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 11, 2016, 04:58:17 PM
i like that theyre finally doing thunder gc hollows, i know some wont agree with me but the cast plates/team plates give more board feel cause of the solid weight compared to the feather light stronger forged plates where the weight is in the hangars rather than whats attached to your board(the baseplates) its like the more that you can feel something there the more you can FEEL whats there. thats why i could never really ride thin plates or forged cause that paper thin weight makes the board feel a little imbalanced like

board weight=2
forged plates=1
hangars=2
wheels=1

rather than say

board weight=2
cast plates=2
hangars=2
wheels=1

where the weight is more balanced and solid overall
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on December 11, 2016, 05:25:59 PM
Good god man....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 11, 2016, 05:49:19 PM
Quote from: Main on December 11, 2016, 08:26:05 AM
Quote from: N.L. on December 10, 2016, 12:35:36 PM
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Quote from: judge reinhold on December 09, 2016, 07:35:31 PM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BNptey6DfHk/?taken-by=thundertrucks&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BNptey6DfHk/?taken-by=thundertrucks&hl=en)

wondering if anyone has any info on these?? higher 147's would be nice
[close]

looks like its just the hollow lights on a standard baseplate (slightly higher) instead of the forged that they used to come with. its a good idea.
[close]

Where did you find a pic of the new truck? I will buy them in a heartbeat as long as there's no thunder logos on the hanger and they leave it raw.



Just cast plates with hollow axles and pins, nice to have options! Curious about the design, if they are changing the cast mold to accommodate the forged pin (different spines) or using a different pin altogether.

Been running ti hangers with krux pins and cast plates...

The one thing cast plates provide is a less 'rattley/cheap' feel, hard to explain, it just feels a bit more solid.

http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=73872 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=73872)

Description doesn't match up, but the image is weird, could it be a thicker forged plate? Rad.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 11, 2016, 07:34:54 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on December 11, 2016, 05:25:59 PM
Good god man....

Mounting hardware is up next....if you don't want to talk about it...I suggest you leave....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on December 11, 2016, 07:39:12 PM
hardware isn't created equal :o I bought some thunder bolts I can't use. The heads are too small, when tightened down they sink way below the grip! Not to mention the metal seems cheap and plasticky. There's a certain type of bolt I need now..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on December 11, 2016, 07:44:59 PM
Frankly I cant even fuck with anything except fat topped allen, anything else is a nightmare in the making
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on December 11, 2016, 07:53:36 PM
i've found that the indy combi bolts/ allen hardware are the best hardware i've used
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on December 11, 2016, 07:54:11 PM
Been riding shorty's hardware since day 1 and never had a problem. Phillips. Get 1" always just to be safe. And if you're running risers get the correct length hardware. Don't turn this into a page and a half of fuckin' hardware talk.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 11, 2016, 08:42:55 PM
Shorty's silverados/lights are the best bolts period.  The nuts are shorter so the nyloc grips lower on the threads.  No discussion to be had about hardware. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 11, 2016, 08:52:24 PM
The only ocd I have on bolts is Philips always, I have an odd feeling Allen key doesn't stay tight even though the tops have nothing to do with the nylon lock or threads. Idk I just feel if they're easy to tighten then they're easy to loosen.

Been riding those bronze56k just because bronze56k
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on December 11, 2016, 09:06:49 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 11, 2016, 08:42:55 PM
Shorty's silverados/lights are the best bolts period.  The nuts are shorter so the nyloc grips lower on the threads.  No discussion to be had about hardware. 

FALSE.

That is the worst hardware, because the nuts are so short, unless you have the tool straight on it's not going to grip, making the while process one infuriating pain in the ass. Good luck getting those on with ventures.


Roughneck, plain black, phillips, because I'm an adult and I know the difference between my nose and tail.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 11, 2016, 09:19:17 PM
Ahaha yeah I feel the same about the lights, bought them 2 years ago cause I liked how they were advertised and exactly that. The nuts were hard to hold cause they're thin and you know how thunder holes are drilled so it was not a fun run setting up.

I use to be that cool running all black but I can't tell my nose and tail so that bronze bolt helps ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on December 11, 2016, 09:20:58 PM
Modus hardware is life.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 11, 2016, 11:23:40 PM
I always tighten my hardware which invetiably is bad......

Preferably something less than 1" because then you just need a socket to tighten it....not sure why they haven't made hardware again where you just need one tool.....you wouldn't need a full pound in ODI or a bridge bolt....just like one tooth in the head to make it stay....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on December 12, 2016, 12:12:39 AM
Mounting hardware huh?, don't know how often you guys go through them but i've had those Theeve titanium ones on for a few years and they were worth every penny
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on December 12, 2016, 01:29:12 AM
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wondering if anyone has any info on these?? higher 147's would be nice
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David Rayes

and Matt Burger


As for hardware, always running allen because the tool needed is much smaller/lighter than a screwdriver and more reliable by design. Also, i try to get the shortest bolts i can get because i never use risers and don't want to be doing extra turns to tighten my trucks.
The head has to be medium. I think that the shorty's ones go too deep into the board and the huge ones can create pressure cracks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on December 12, 2016, 02:19:20 AM
I know those Krux Cushions are all the rage with Ace's but has anyone tried Doh Doh's on them(preferably 92A or 88A)? i remember so many years ago just trying to get those on Indy's took awhile so i figured they'd be high/tall enough to not mess with the geometry of the truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 12, 2016, 07:36:10 AM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on December 12, 2016, 12:12:39 AM
Mounting hardware huh?, don't know how often you guys go through them but i've had those Theeve titanium ones on for a few years and they were worth every penny

You're trolling me......

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on December 12, 2016, 08:10:38 AM
Well, I went back to Thunder after a week. I suppose I am caving in to whatever is in these magical trucks. Although I feel consistent on ventures, the pop I get with kick flips on thunder is addicting. The turning I am getting used to, doesn't bother me. I even went and got a Thunder hoodie and the shirt (didn't see a longsleeve). I suppose I feel the need to do that after the years of indys shirts and hoodies. To fully convert. I can keep my Venture gear in the closet. There's just something about thunder
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on December 12, 2016, 08:14:33 AM
Quote from: fang on December 12, 2016, 08:10:38 AM
Well, I went back to Thunder after a week. I suppose I am caving in to whatever is in these magical trucks. Although I feel consistent on ventures, the pop I get with kick flips on thunder is addicting. The turning I am getting used to, doesn't bother me. I even went and got a Thunder hoodie and the shirt (didn't see a longsleeve). I suppose I feel the need to do that after the years of indys shirts and hoodies. To fully convert. I can keep my Venture gear in the closet. There's just something about thunder

Jesus, you are me. I have to justify my new Thunder hoodie by keeping some thunders on my cruiser. I went fully back to venture though. It was the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on December 12, 2016, 08:27:33 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on December 12, 2016, 08:14:33 AM
Quote from: fang on December 12, 2016, 08:10:38 AM
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Well, I went back to Thunder after a week. I suppose I am caving in to whatever is in these magical trucks. Although I feel consistent on ventures, the pop I get with kick flips on thunder is addicting. The turning I am getting used to, doesn't bother me. I even went and got a Thunder hoodie and the shirt (didn't see a longsleeve). I suppose I feel the need to do that after the years of indys shirts and hoodies. To fully convert. I can keep my Venture gear in the closet. There's just something about thunder
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Jesus, you are me. I have to justify my new Thunder hoodie by keeping some thunders on my cruiser. I went fully back to venture though. It was the right thing to do.

I feel safe currently. I have a new Venture hoodie + longsleeve and new Thunder hoodie + t-shirt. That way whatever trucks are the right ones (for that day) I can look like I stand by my decision via clothing. My wife is unsympathetic to my pain: "I dunno why you're buying all that , you'll just use Independent next month". (She is well aware of my dilemma). I scoff as I change venture to Thunder back to venture then thunder.

In all seriousness though (even though all of the above did happen), I truly cannot skate indys as I used to and I never really skate tranny anymore. I skate more "my style" on ventures and Thunders, I just can't make up my mind. ( this is only an issue because I would prefer to stand by one brand even though it doesn't really matter but it does)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 12, 2016, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on December 11, 2016, 09:06:49 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 11, 2016, 08:42:55 PM
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FALSE.

That is the worst hardware, because the nuts are so short, unless you have the tool straight on it's not going to grip, making the while process one infuriating pain in the ass. Good luck getting those on with ventures.


Roughneck, plain black, phillips, because I'm an adult and I know the difference between my nose and tail.

Yup, those low profile nuts are a bitch to get right with a socket on some trucks (can just use a regular wrench).

I prefer the indy combi bolts, same price as the rest, regular nuts, half threaded, medium head, can use allen and phillips..rocking some modus right now tho, like thunder they provide you with two extra bolts incase you don't want to use the colored ones (or break'em).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on December 12, 2016, 01:09:39 PM
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That's how I feel, need that lowered truck for quicker pop response
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I guess I have to get the timing & feeling down, the bushing issue will work itself out.

Well I had a session for a few hrs. yesterday riding my Thunder Teams, no risers, stock clear yellow bushings and Spitfire Conical full 56mm (probably worn down to about 54mm). This lower setup is starting to grow on me, I was able to Ollie a lot easier than the last time out and the wheel rub/bite wasn't bothering me too much. Kick flips and pop shoves are a lot easier being lower to the ground & I find like I have a lot more control over the board. I may upgrade the bushings still, but I don't want to use the Bones med. since the last ones that I had blew out so quickly, may go with the red Independent ones. Conclusion- loving my new set up.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 12, 2016, 01:14:46 PM
No problem using the low profile shorty's nuts with my Silver tool.  Ya'll crazy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on December 12, 2016, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: fang on December 12, 2016, 08:10:38 AM
Well, I went back to Thunder after a week. I suppose I am caving in to whatever is in these magical trucks. Although I feel consistent on ventures, the pop I get with kick flips on thunder is addicting. The turning I am getting used to, doesn't bother me. I even went and got a Thunder hoodie and the shirt (didn't see a longsleeve). I suppose I feel the need to do that after the years of indys shirts and hoodies. To fully convert. I can keep my Venture gear in the closet. There's just something about thunder

This is one thing I definitely noticed a difference with when I was riding Thunder lows. My kickflips were easily pop-able above knee height, and everything felt snappy.

A big part of the reason I'm not still riding Thunders is my love of Ace, and the fact that I've still not heard any update on the status of whether or not low's will be making a return (don't want to get used to a truck that gets discontinued). That and the axle slip I'm experiencing on Ace's isn't nearly as bad as with my Thunders.

Also to the guy that mentioned riding Ace's with Doh Doh's I hugely reccomend it! I'm currently giving hard Low Doh's a try, but prior that I was riding 95a red Doh Doh's that I sanded to fit the low Ace's, and it felt fantastic! Only reason I switched is I want to see if the harder bushings will have a little more "rebound" for fliptricks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on December 12, 2016, 07:28:08 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 12, 2016, 10:04:56 AM
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Shorty's silverados/lights are the best bolts period.  The nuts are shorter so the nyloc grips lower on the threads.  No discussion to be had about hardware. 
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FALSE.

That is the worst hardware, because the nuts are so short, unless you have the tool straight on it's not going to grip, making the while process one infuriating pain in the ass. Good luck getting those on with ventures.


Roughneck, plain black, phillips, because I'm an adult and I know the difference between my nose and tail.
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Yup, those low profile nuts are a bitch to get right with a socket on some trucks (can just use a regular wrench).

I prefer the indy combi bolts, same price as the rest, regular nuts, half threaded, medium head, can use allen and phillips..rocking some modus right now tho, like thunder they provide you with two extra bolts incase you don't want to use the colored ones (or break'em).
You have indy hardware with thunder trucks? How do you sleep at night?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on December 12, 2016, 07:32:11 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 12, 2016, 07:36:10 AM
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Mounting hardware huh?, don't know how often you guys go through them but i've had those Theeve titanium ones on for a few years and they were worth every penny
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You're trolling me......



Yeah, but only you though. Everyone else i mean it, also i thought about it harder and i didn't pay for those bolts, i just got some in a box still good though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 12, 2016, 07:53:59 PM
ahaha true, i couldnt do that. i usually like riding bolt specific company bolts or truck company bolts. i liked riding my thunder 1 inch bolts with my thunders but idk. they are kinda cheaply made, like 3-4 of the nuts werent locking anymore but so far these bronze56k have been holding up 3 setups deep but when they wear out im thinking to upgrade from bronze to something gold. maybe those reynolds shake junts since theyre the only gold philips ive seen around
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 12, 2016, 10:13:43 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on December 12, 2016, 07:28:08 PM
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Shorty's silverados/lights are the best bolts period.  The nuts are shorter so the nyloc grips lower on the threads.  No discussion to be had about hardware. 
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FALSE.

That is the worst hardware, because the nuts are so short, unless you have the tool straight on it's not going to grip, making the while process one infuriating pain in the ass. Good luck getting those on with ventures.


Roughneck, plain black, phillips, because I'm an adult and I know the difference between my nose and tail.
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Yup, those low profile nuts are a bitch to get right with a socket on some trucks (can just use a regular wrench).

I prefer the indy combi bolts, same price as the rest, regular nuts, half threaded, medium head, can use allen and phillips..rocking some modus right now tho, like thunder they provide you with two extra bolts incase you don't want to use the colored ones (or break'em).
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You have indy hardware with thunder trucks? How do you sleep at night?

It keeps me up at night knowing that any second I could dissolve the barrier between space and time by doing such a thing.

Also, big fan of Randoms hardware. Little kids, I kid you not, always ask "is that a carbon fiber board" when I run them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on December 14, 2016, 08:05:36 AM
Lee Ralph's Turning Arc went something like this: Gullwing, Indy, Ace-

That's all we can really know and all we really need to know from the Celtic Hinterlands to Deep Polynesia.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 16, 2016, 07:33:34 AM
Finally got my Theeve TiKings in the mail.  I bought my first pair of Theeve's a couple years ago and skated them exclusively for about a year and a half.  The trouble started when the kingpins would get loose and make the truck unstable.

Apparently Theeve resolved that by no longer using the hollow titanium kingpin.  The new kingpins are regular hollow steel.  They're still using Khiro pivot cups but the bushings are their own version of Bones.  I'm not sure if they're made by Bones but the quality looks the same.

As far as quality goes, they're exactly as I remembered - this best finish on any truck.  Perfect casting, low kingpin and the end of the hanger are precision cut (I think they're the only company that does this)

I'm going to spend the weekend on them and I'll let you guys know how it goes

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/1/669/31566191841_7fa4c61ef2_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Q6oZ5V)
(https://c6.staticflickr.com/1/527/31681470845_9a1ea09fec_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QgzPvX)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/1/398/30871364993_8596c1ca37_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/P2ZPgF)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Julz on December 16, 2016, 08:02:14 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 16, 2016, 07:33:34 AM
Tiking

Is it the picture, or is your washer already bent ?

Good to know Theeve's still around.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Rick Sanchez on December 16, 2016, 08:02:32 AM
Damn Steve - making me want to buy even more trucks! Look forward to reading how you find them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 16, 2016, 08:04:47 AM
Quote from: Julz on December 16, 2016, 08:02:14 AM
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Tiking
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Is it the picture, or is your washer already bent ?

Good to know Theeve's still around.

Looks like some distortion on the pic
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on December 16, 2016, 08:15:19 AM
Quote from: Julz on December 16, 2016, 08:02:14 AM
Good to know Theeve's still around.

ehhhh not really
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on December 16, 2016, 08:18:40 AM
Those look nice Steve! I've been interested in Theeves since they make an 8.25 axle but haven't pulled the trigger because the height scares me off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on December 16, 2016, 08:49:38 AM
Quote from: GOATMOON on December 16, 2016, 08:18:40 AM
Those look nice Steve! I've been interested in Theeves since they make an 8.25 axle but haven't pulled the trigger because the height scares me off.
The 5,5 is 8,18, not 8,25, just so you know
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on December 16, 2016, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: bbk on December 16, 2016, 08:49:38 AM
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Those look nice Steve! I've been interested in Theeves since they make an 8.25 axle but haven't pulled the trigger because the height scares me off.
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The 5,5 is 8,18, not 8,25, just so you know
Yeah, it's close enough for me haha. I'm really on the lookout for anything that's bigger than 8.0 without jumping all the way up to the 149 tier.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 16, 2016, 09:19:42 AM
Quote from: bbk on December 16, 2016, 08:49:38 AM
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Those look nice Steve! I've been interested in Theeves since they make an 8.25 axle but haven't pulled the trigger because the height scares me off.
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The 5,5 is 8,18, not 8,25, just so you know


That is correct.  also, despite being listed as 55mm which is the height of standard Indy's, Theeve's are actually lower than forged Indy's.  They're right in between forged Indys (53.5mm) and Forged Thunders (51.5mm)

Theeve on the left, Forged Indy on the right

(https://c7.staticflickr.com/1/550/31537320702_3175699ba4_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Q3R1GE)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Opoin on December 16, 2016, 09:37:41 AM
Those look so good, you're making the whole thread curious Steve.  I'm really interested to hear how those turn.  Is the 5.5 as wide as they come?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 16, 2016, 09:43:18 AM
Quote from: Opoin on December 16, 2016, 09:37:41 AM
Those look so good, you're making the whole thread curious Steve.  I'm really interested to hear how those turn.  Is the 5.5 as wide as they come?

I'm not sure how the new bushings are but Theeve's turn incredibly well.  Stability of Thunder, turn of Indy is how I always described them.  When I skated them exclusively I had absolutely no desire to try anything else or ever switch out my trucks.......Then the kingpins rounded off the metal in the baseplate and I've been unhappy with every truck I've skated since.

I'll know if they fixed that problem in about 2-3 months which is when I started having problems with other sets but again, they said the kingpin switch fixed that issue


They come in a 5.5 (8.18) the 5.85 (8.5) which is what I have and a 6.5 which I believe is 9.1
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on December 16, 2016, 09:47:42 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 16, 2016, 09:19:42 AM
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Those look nice Steve! I've been interested in Theeves since they make an 8.25 axle but haven't pulled the trigger because the height scares me off.
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The 5,5 is 8,18, not 8,25, just so you know
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That is correct.  also, despite being listed as 55mm which is the height of standard Indy's, Theeve's are actually lower than forged Indy's.  They're right in between forged Indys (53.5mm) and Forged Thunders (51.5mm)

I just came. Going to be trying these for sure now. Are the baseplates on those forged?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 16, 2016, 10:02:39 AM
Quote from: GOATMOON on December 16, 2016, 09:47:42 AM
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Those look nice Steve! I've been interested in Theeves since they make an 8.25 axle but haven't pulled the trigger because the height scares me off.
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The 5,5 is 8,18, not 8,25, just so you know
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That is correct.  also, despite being listed as 55mm which is the height of standard Indy's, Theeve's are actually lower than forged Indy's.  They're right in between forged Indys (53.5mm) and Forged Thunders (51.5mm)

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I just came. Going to be trying these for sure now. Are the baseplates on those forged?

Nope, they're cast.  Some people in here love cast but in my opinion a forged baseplate is the only thing Theeve is lacking

Also, if anyone is wondering about weight, the TiKing 8.5's are 340g (same as Indy Ti) and the TiAx are 345g.  Next time around I'll save $15 and get the TiAx
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on December 16, 2016, 10:21:28 AM
Quote from: Opoin on December 16, 2016, 09:37:41 AM
Those look so good, you're making the whole thread curious Steve.  I'm really interested to hear how those turn.  Is the 5.5 as wide as they come?
naah, they make 5,85 and 6,5 as well, 5,85 being their "149", 8,5 wide and 6,5 being around 9''
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Opoin on December 16, 2016, 10:44:13 AM
Nice.  Thanks for the prompt answers Steve and bbk.  Definitely gonna keep these on my radar for when I get the itch to buy new trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on December 16, 2016, 12:56:47 PM
I'm a curious about trying out some Venture 5.8 Hi's for an upcoming Christmas Complete. Always liked how they looked and i'm just wondering how they turn? Got off the Indy's about a year and half ago and now riding Ace's so i'm expecting something in between. My only grip about Ace's are the pivot cups blowing out easily.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on December 16, 2016, 01:21:28 PM
Quote from: ferraveemo on December 16, 2016, 12:56:47 PM
I'm a curious about trying out some Venture 5.8 Hi's for an upcoming Christmas Complete. Always liked how they looked and i'm just wondering how they turn? Got off the Indy's about a year and half ago and now riding Ace's so i'm expecting something in between. My only grip about Ace's are the pivot cups blowing out easily.

Their arc is pretty comparable to Indys. Not nearly as sharp as Thunders but it'll take more effort to turn deep than Ace. The stock bushings suck and I couldn't get them loose enough without the nut falling off, but Indy's 90a barrel bushings worked perfect for me, and they're the exact same height.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on December 16, 2016, 04:11:41 PM
Theeve looks like they use a softer aluminum like Ace and Krux. Man, that really is flawless casting too. If only they would take the model indicator off the hanger and ditch the weird Theeve face below the bushing seat, I'd buy 'em.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 16, 2016, 05:29:18 PM
ahaha i guess no one remembers when i talked about theeve a few pages ago on this thread, but steve has pics so i guess hes more credible.

my opinion on theeve if anyone ever reads my post though is, true turn so when you wanna turn you actually turn as much and as quick as your actual effort. so less lean less turn hard lean means deeper and faster turn. cause some trucks turn deep even with a slight lean.

they respond really well pop wise too, theyre really good responding trucks but from my 3 weeks to a month of skating them they were good just too tall for my preference(being something usually 51mm tall max cause i need that tail to hit the ground fast)

i would say thats what makes theeve stick out from the rest of the trucks, that true turn. the true turn so good on response even though theyre a little taller than my goto the pop wasnt lagged like indy stage 11 standards, not as fast as thunder but the response was there

thats crazy i didnt know they used khiro pivot cups. no wonder theyre so expensive. i got the all black tiax v3

heres a pic actually

(http://i.imgur.com/zpxqA2A.jpg)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Opoin on December 16, 2016, 06:08:09 PM
Quote from: rob on December 16, 2016, 05:29:18 PM
ahaha i guess no one remembers when i talked about theeve a few pages ago on this thread, but steve has pics so i guess hes more credible.

my opinion on theeve if anyone ever reads my post though is, true turn so when you wanna turn you actually turn as much and as quick as your actual effort. so less lean less turn hard lean means deeper and faster turn. cause some trucks turn deep even with a slight lean.

they respond really well pop wise too, theyre really good responding trucks but from my 3 weeks to a month of skating them they were good just too tall for my preference(being something usually 51mm tall max cause i need that tail to hit the ground fast)

i would say thats what makes theeve stick out from the rest of the trucks, that true turn. the true turn so good on response even though theyre a little taller than my goto the pop wasnt lagged like indy stage 11 standards, not as fast as thunder but the response was there

thats crazy i didnt know they used khiro pivot cups. no wonder theyre so expensive. i got the all black tiax v3

heres a pic actually

(http://i.imgur.com/zpxqA2A.jpg)



Hmm, thanks for the added info rob.  I'm kinda thinking about putting these on a cruiser set-up sometime soon.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 16, 2016, 08:37:44 PM
Hehe, BMC is going full circle (Again :P) I remember turning you on to them over at SBC...


Your review ;)

http://www.skateboard-city.com/2014/04/08/review-theeve-tiking-v3-55-trucks/ (http://www.skateboard-city.com/2014/04/08/review-theeve-tiking-v3-55-trucks/)

FWIW, Theeves are great, if you ride medium to tight trucks. I could never get the V3s loose enough without going sub 80a on bushings and they would just get chewed up.

V2 were amazing, I rode loose so I never had bones bushings blow out.

The Ti Kinping was soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo light!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 16, 2016, 08:46:22 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 16, 2016, 08:37:44 PM
Hehe, BMC is going full circle (Again :P) I remember turning you on to them over at SBC...


Your review ;)

http://www.skateboard-city.com/2014/04/08/review-theeve-tiking-v3-55-trucks/ (http://www.skateboard-city.com/2014/04/08/review-theeve-tiking-v3-55-trucks/)

FWIW, Theeves are great, if you ride medium to tight trucks. I could never get the V3s loose enough without going sub 80a on bushings and they would just get chewed up.

V2 were amazing, I rode loose so I never had bones bushings blow out.

The Ti Kinping was soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo light!


YES! I do ride looser trucks now though so hopefully these work as well for me now as they did then.  I just have no idea what duro these new bushings are.  I'm guessing the same as Bones mediums
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 16, 2016, 09:20:25 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 16, 2016, 08:46:22 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 16, 2016, 08:37:44 PM
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Hehe, BMC is going full circle (Again :P) I remember turning you on to them over at SBC...


Your review ;)

http://www.skateboard-city.com/2014/04/08/review-theeve-tiking-v3-55-trucks/ (http://www.skateboard-city.com/2014/04/08/review-theeve-tiking-v3-55-trucks/)

FWIW, Theeves are great, if you ride medium to tight trucks. I could never get the V3s loose enough without going sub 80a on bushings and they would just get chewed up.

V2 were amazing, I rode loose so I never had bones bushings blow out.

The Ti Kinping was soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo light!

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YES! I do ride looser trucks now though so hopefully these work as well for me now as they did then.  I just have no idea what duro these new bushings are.  I'm guessing the same as Bones mediums

I think they're harder than bones mediums, just by some. The design and pivot cup have theeves a good medium with non hardish bushings, I threw Indy 90a conicals and regular bones mediums and they were a medium loose. The white bones knock offs are not as hard as the black core bones but between the medium and hard
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 17, 2016, 07:34:20 PM
I'm telling you guys now.....inevitably the 'THEEVE' will get to you.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 17, 2016, 11:54:31 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 17, 2016, 07:34:20 PM
I'm telling you guys now.....inevitably the 'THEEVE' will get to you.....

haha cmon j soy your getting me all truck mental again just when im getting close to just sticking to my thunders or ventures.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 18, 2016, 11:41:12 AM
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Those look nice Steve! I've been interested in Theeves since they make an 8.25 axle but haven't pulled the trigger because the height scares me off.
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The 5,5 is 8,18, not 8,25, just so you know
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That is correct.  also, despite being listed as 55mm which is the height of standard Indy's, Theeve's are actually lower than forged Indy's.  They're right in between forged Indys (53.5mm) and Forged Thunders (51.5mm)

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I just came. Going to be trying these for sure now. Are the baseplates on those forged?
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Nope, they're cast.  Some people in here love cast but in my opinion a forged baseplate is the only thing Theeve is lacking

Also, if anyone is wondering about weight, the TiKing 8.5's are 340g (same as Indy Ti) and the TiAx are 345g.  Next time around I'll save $15 and get the TiAx

But....but that's 10g bro! ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on December 21, 2016, 08:07:56 PM
You guys see Thunders' new brilliant innovation where they made a hollow axle/kingpin truck but 1mm taller? And there's not even an option for a raw hanger and baseplate. Derp.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 21, 2016, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: Main on December 21, 2016, 08:07:56 PM
You guys see Thunders' new brilliant innovation where they made a hollow axle/kingpin truck but 1mm taller? And there's not even an option for a raw hanger and baseplate. Derp.

Yeah, plain old cast pates with hollow kings, I prefer the cast plate for the teeny bit of extra height...I would have rather seen a taller forged plate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on December 21, 2016, 09:39:24 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 21, 2016, 08:46:24 PM
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You guys see Thunders' new brilliant innovation where they made a hollow axle/kingpin truck but 1mm taller? And there's not even an option for a raw hanger and baseplate. Derp.
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Yeah, plain old cast pates with hollow kings, I prefer the cast plate for the teeny bit of extra height...I would have rather seen a taller forged plate.
i honestly thought it would have been a 52 or a 50mm, but 49.59? really?  they need to just make a new baseplate thats a little higher and extend the outward part of baseplate kinda like how indy and krux has that slider bit, but that might ruin the geometr/look they are trying to go for so i don't know.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 21, 2016, 10:01:26 PM
Quote from: ducky darnsworth on December 21, 2016, 09:39:24 PM
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You guys see Thunders' new brilliant innovation where they made a hollow axle/kingpin truck but 1mm taller? And there's not even an option for a raw hanger and baseplate. Derp.
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Yeah, plain old cast pates with hollow kings, I prefer the cast plate for the teeny bit of extra height...I would have rather seen a taller forged plate.
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i honestly thought it would have been a 52 or a 50mm, but 49.59? really?  they need to just make a new baseplate thats a little higher and extend the outward part of baseplate kinda like how indy and krux has that slider bit, but that might ruin the geometr/look they are trying to go for so i don't know.

It all comes down to the molds. Making new one is significant, from design/geo development, to prototyping, to mold making (we're not talking just one little mold here), etc. Adding a hollow pin is easy enough tho I don't what's involved but they had to change something as the old solid pin has different spines than the hollow so they tweaked something.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on December 23, 2016, 09:18:36 AM
I bought my first set of Bones Swiss in forever so on Christmas I will have this setup: deck 8.125, Thunder 147 hi, Swiss, Spitfire Bighead 52 and Shorty's 7/8 allen. Will probably wear my new Thunder hoodie to show my allegiance  (for now). I also bought some Thunder stickers (I'm not only trying to convince you, myself as well). I actually haven't got to do many grinds on these so I'm still unsure on that. But there's salt everywhere for ice and last time I had swiss i learned that salt rusts bearings and that lesson is not forgotten. Skating on hold till rain comes or I drive further ha. I think my truck switch has kinda got me back into the thrill as in always getting the same shit before got stale. Thanks for convincing me to try Thunder everyone
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 23, 2016, 11:39:23 AM
I know I'm going to have a tough time parting with my Theeve hoodie....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 23, 2016, 12:12:26 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 23, 2016, 11:39:23 AM
I know I'm going to have a tough time parting with my Theeve hoodie....

What size? ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on December 23, 2016, 04:10:49 PM
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s750x750/sh0.08/e35/15623684_621860074667335_4132802761265774592_n.jpg)
im stoked. a little taller is my jam.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 20matar on December 23, 2016, 04:30:57 PM
Today I decided to take the bottom washer off my truck, to see how it goes. It sucked! Keeping it tight had the advantage of improving the snap, but loosening up the trucks just made them turn less and too fast, but without the same rebound. What is the specific reason that makes people like to take the bottom washer off?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: danjtony on December 23, 2016, 05:43:40 PM
I take out the bottom washer cause I like my indy's nice and wobbly. Just stepping on a board with loose trucks like that feels good. I only really ride like that on tranny and cruising down the sidewalk though. On my street set-up, I just ride loose stock thunders with a little riser.

My super loose trucks are set up like this:
Indy 159's
Yellow Doh-dohs (90a I believe).
top bushings are pretty much mushed down to half their original height
bottom washers omitted
font truck super jingly, back more stable
1/4th risers
53mm Oj insane-a-thane

It's a fun, turny, unstable ride that slips out and slides really easily. Pretty much feels like how I imagine one of those carver boards to be, but with small hard wheels so I can get a decent ollie.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on December 23, 2016, 05:56:35 PM
Like this guy, to make trucks looser without the nut falling off or fucking with bushings too much
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 23, 2016, 09:05:59 PM
okay okay so back it again with my unwanted opinions/rant on skate trucks.

so i was digging my venture 5.2 lo standards, they were awesome. low, responsive, turn was alright nothing too crazy but just enough turn for my medium preference and very stable. reminded me alot of thunder 147 hi IF it were lower and tad bit tighter but here the part that made me realize, thunder (not trying to sell you thunders and be a huge thunder dick rider, just a little one) are the BEST all around truck for street style skating and etc.

the ventures were good but they didnt respond as quick as id like cruising the rough streets doing ollie to manny on random things, ollie over stuff and into stuff/street tranny. maybe cause theyre the lo but compared to thunder hi, thunders can handle the rattling rough streets better, the response is quicker, and the manuals are more controlled because of the bushing style giving a good balance between loose and tight for when you need to tweak your balance rather than be stuck going straight. maybe the venture hi are better but so far, Thunders are the best.

venture lo are good for parks, smooth spots, maybe just spots, but street cruising/berrics off the grid skating not 100% there.

steve and j soy got me curious though and lucky for me i got a set of 5.5 theeves i havent really messed with(the ones i posted were the 5.25) so ima mess with those for a second and see if theyre anything spectacular. i know theyre just longer than my 5.25 but maybe that stability makes a big difference

last thing to wrap up this life story, anyone got any feedback on the new more well structured  ace44 ? curious cause i saw some at the shop and i know theyre 53.5 tall but theyre getting my attention after trying some 03(which failed me in quality cause the kingpin got loose on one of the baseplates) but maybe they put more quality check in their standard hi trucks. plus i liked how my aces were, nice turn, fun. idk just fun trucks. just sad quality issues.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on December 23, 2016, 10:26:06 PM
Quote from: rob on December 23, 2016, 09:05:59 PM

last thing to wrap up this life story, anyone got any feedback on the new more well structured  ace44 ? curious cause i saw some at the shop and i know theyre 53.5 tall but theyre getting my attention after trying some 03(which failed me in quality cause the kingpin got loose on one of the baseplates) but maybe they put more quality check in their standard hi trucks. plus i liked how my aces were, nice turn, fun. idk just fun trucks. just sad quality issues.
As I've said before. I pretty much only skate tranny at the local park but I've yet to encounter any issues on my ace's including my pivot cups being fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 23, 2016, 10:33:44 PM
Thunders really are an amazing street truck, they do everything as advertised. Light, responsive, great height (for me), stable and grind great. There is a reason the majority of street pros ride them (other than getting the for free).

Same reasons the majority of the indy team are bowl/all terrain riders.

You wouldn't choose 60mm SPFs to up your real street ledge game, would you?  ;D

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on December 24, 2016, 09:25:44 AM
So these new Thunder Team Hollows have the height raised 1mm for the 147's since they're on a team plate now? And the 149's and 151 have stayed the same height?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on December 24, 2016, 10:20:33 AM
nah. its jus the hollow KP and hangars on the cast base plates. Lights usually come with forged baseplates but lots of people preferred all the hollow shit on the regular baseplates so thunder started offering it that way. at least thats how i understand it. where's Lenny these days?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on December 24, 2016, 10:28:01 AM
Quote from: N.L. on December 24, 2016, 10:20:33 AM
nah. its jus the hollow KP and hangars on the cast base plates. Lights usually come with forged baseplates but lots of people preferred all the hollow shit on the regular baseplates so thunder started offering it that way. at least thats how i understand it. where's Lenny these days?

Too right where is Lenny!? What's the word on the future of Thunder 147 lows? That's what I wanna know.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on December 24, 2016, 02:25:15 PM
Sorry should have asked this on my last post, but does anyone have any bushing recommendations for Thunder outside of their own aftermarkets or Bones, that fit ok? I was thinking of putting black Indy aftermarkets but they may be too tall, so then I could just omit the bottom washer? Or some Krux bushings but no bottom washer since those are pretty tall? I can't do any of the "low" Indy bushings cause all they offer are the softer durometers. Any ideas would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on December 24, 2016, 03:12:06 PM
The last time I checked the Indy conicals are the exact same size as thunder stocks. They're a tiny bit higher than the cylinders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 24, 2016, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: GOATMOON on December 24, 2016, 03:12:06 PM
The last time I checked the Indy conicals are the exact same size as thunder stocks. They're a tiny bit higher than the cylinders.

indy conicals are a perfect fit and give you way more options than thunder kits.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on December 24, 2016, 04:59:32 PM
NOICE thanks bros
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 24, 2016, 05:32:47 PM
I'm back

So the theeve 5.5's...

THEYRE AMAZING! ;D

So turns out that 8.18 axle is way better for my 8.12 deck compared to the theeve 5.25's-7.9 axle

The stability did make a huge difference, the response was uncanny and the turning is amazing. But truthfully those all white bones knock offs are trash, pop in some real bones mediums and they're fantastic. The way theeves were made originally with bones mediums. Now that the build is way better in quality it sad they lost the deal with skate1 including bones mediums or from stock theeves would be a force to reckon. Damn these theeves are actually really good  :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 25, 2016, 05:11:52 PM
Quote from: rob on December 24, 2016, 05:32:47 PM
I'm back

So the theeve 5.5's...

THEYRE AMAZING! ;D

So turns out that 8.18 axle is way better for my 8.12 deck compared to the theeve 5.25's-7.9 axle

The stability did make a huge difference, the response was uncanny and the turning is amazing. But truthfully those all white bones knock offs are trash, pop in some real bones mediums and they're fantastic. The way theeves were made originally with bones mediums. Now that the build is way better in quality it sad they lost the deal with skate1 including bones mediums or from stock theeves would be a force to reckon. Damn these theeves are actually really good  :D
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I'm sitting on a fresh pair thanks to Black Friday and was going to run the new stock bushings...that bad?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 25, 2016, 11:49:57 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 25, 2016, 05:11:52 PM
Quote from: rob on December 24, 2016, 05:32:47 PM
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I'm back

So the theeve 5.5's...

THEYRE AMAZING! ;D

So turns out that 8.18 axle is way better for my 8.12 deck compared to the theeve 5.25's-7.9 axle

The stability did make a huge difference, the response was uncanny and the turning is amazing. But truthfully those all white bones knock offs are trash, pop in some real bones mediums and they're fantastic. The way theeves were made originally with bones mediums. Now that the build is way better in quality it sad they lost the deal with skate1 including bones mediums or from stock theeves would be a force to reckon. Damn these theeves are actually really good  :D
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I'm sitting on a fresh pair thanks to Black Friday and was going to run the new stock bushings...that bad?
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I spent some time on them today and the stock white bushings felt exactly like Bones mediums to me.  They even look, feel and are cut exactly like bones.  It would take someone from Theeve telling me they aren't made by the same factory in the same duro as Bones mediums for me to believe it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 26, 2016, 04:12:26 AM
Idk, the theeve bushings felt tighter to me, my bones mediums just felt drastically better.

The theeve bushings have good rebound to center but that's cause the urethane they use I feel is tighter. Bones mediums give in more so you get more turn and the plastic inserts just help stabilize.

To me it's like this:

Theeve bushings-snappy

Bones bushings-fluid

So I guess it depends on what you want.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 26, 2016, 09:18:45 AM
Powell is pretty good at keeping their manufacturers all to themselves...

Oh...GP told me too....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on December 26, 2016, 12:19:08 PM
Does anyone here skate wide deck with skinnier trucks?

as in like 8.38 deck with 8 inch trucks? (Nothing like 10 inch deck with 7.75)
if so, how is it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 26, 2016, 12:21:49 PM
Quote from: rob on December 26, 2016, 04:12:26 AM
Idk, the theeve bushings felt tighter to me, my bones mediums just felt drastically better.

The theeve bushings have good rebound to center but that's cause the urethane they use I feel is tighter. Bones mediums give in more so you get more turn and the plastic inserts just help stabilize.

To me it's like this:

Theeve bushings-snappy

Bones bushings-fluid

So I guess it depends on what you want.

Were you comparing new theeve bushings to old bones bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 26, 2016, 12:35:03 PM
Quote from: fang on December 26, 2016, 12:19:08 PM
Does anyone here skate wide deck with skinnier trucks?

as in like 8.38 deck with 8 inch trucks? (Nothing like 10 inch deck with 7.75)
if so, how is it?

I've only run ACEs on 8.5s" and 8.18 on 8.3s a long time ago...I dislike the magic carpet vibe, I prefer trucks to be lined up with the deck so I'll skate the right width depending on what I'm choosing to ride, i.e. a specific set of trucks or a deck.

Bunch of pros rock 8" trucks with 8.5" trucks just fine...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on December 26, 2016, 03:09:00 PM
Quote from: fang on December 26, 2016, 12:19:08 PM
Does anyone here skate wide deck with skinnier trucks?

as in like 8.38 deck with 8 inch trucks? (Nothing like 10 inch deck with 7.75)
if so, how is it?

I skate 8.38 or 8.25 with indy 139's. It doesn't feel weird at all.. I feel like people are too hung up on deck size vs truck size, just skate the size truck you feel is the best for you and same with boardsize and you'll be good. Some people ride 8.1 with 149's and some ride 8.5 boards with 139's and it all works.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on December 26, 2016, 04:22:26 PM
Hangar width and wheel width combined is more important than axle width anyway.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: danjtony on December 26, 2016, 08:42:22 PM
I prefer the look and feel of trucks wider than the deck width. But I do think smaller trucks provide more leverage for flipping and save the axles/threads from constantly getting bashed into shit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 26, 2016, 09:54:47 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 26, 2016, 12:21:49 PM
Quote from: rob on December 26, 2016, 04:12:26 AM
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Idk, the theeve bushings felt tighter to me, my bones mediums just felt drastically better.

The theeve bushings have good rebound to center but that's cause the urethane they use I feel is tighter. Bones mediums give in more so you get more turn and the plastic inserts just help stabilize.

To me it's like this:

Theeve bushings-snappy

Bones bushings-fluid

So I guess it depends on what you want.
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Were you comparing new theeve bushings to old bones bushings?

No, the theeves were ridden for 3 weeks with the stock theeves and now I'm back on them I swapped the broken in theeves for fresh ish used once bones mediums and the response was way better. The theeve bushings squeek and feel tightish but still have some turn, the bones mediums just turn
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on December 27, 2016, 06:33:45 PM
Quote from: rob on December 26, 2016, 09:54:47 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 26, 2016, 12:21:49 PM
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Quote from: rob on December 26, 2016, 04:12:26 AM
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Idk, the theeve bushings felt tighter to me, my bones mediums just felt drastically better.

The theeve bushings have good rebound to center but that's cause the urethane they use I feel is tighter. Bones mediums give in more so you get more turn and the plastic inserts just help stabilize.

To me it's like this:

Theeve bushings-snappy

Bones bushings-fluid

So I guess it depends on what you want.
[close]

Were you comparing new theeve bushings to old bones bushings?
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No, the theeves were ridden for 3 weeks with the stock theeves and now I'm back on them I swapped the broken in theeves for fresh ish used once bones mediums and the response was way better. The theeve bushings squeek and feel tightish but still have some turn, the bones mediums just turn

I gave up on mine and swapped for the orange aftermarket Indy conicals. Smoother turning somewhat between Thunder and Indy. Wouldn't be too surprised if they skate like Indys with barrel ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rathernotwalk on December 27, 2016, 07:19:47 PM
Why are the kingpins on indys never long enough? Finally got bored at work and sanded down my road side bushing then milled the lock nut down a little so I could actually get the nylon down on the threads and still leave the trucks loose enough. Is this a common problem with other trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: danjtony on December 27, 2016, 08:19:34 PM
imo stock Thunders loosened all the way (nut just a tad past finger tight) feel way looser than stock indy's set the same. With indy's I gotta take out a washer and fuck with the bushings to get em loose enough.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on December 27, 2016, 08:38:59 PM
Quote from: danjtony on December 27, 2016, 08:19:34 PM
imo stock Thunders loosened all the way (nut just a tad past finger tight) feel way looser than stock indy's set the same. With indy's I gotta take out a washer and fuck with the bushings to get em loose enough.

The bushings, conical respond faster and feel looser. Try using them in softer durometer to see if it works for you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rathernotwalk on December 28, 2016, 02:52:04 PM
Quote from: N.L. on December 27, 2016, 08:33:15 PM
Quote from: rathernotwalk on December 27, 2016, 07:19:47 PM
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Why are the kingpins on indys never long enough? Finally got bored at work and sanded down my road side bushing then milled the lock nut down a little so I could actually get the nylon down on the threads and still leave the trucks loose enough. Is this a common problem with other trucks?
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Closet longboarder per chance?

Nope, just a haggard bowl troll
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Andmoreagain on December 29, 2016, 07:40:52 AM
My ace 66s are still the best i've ever had 2 mo in. Stock bushings broke in nicely. Turn like a charm.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 29, 2016, 10:14:27 AM
Here's the motherload if any of you feel like traveling down the depths of madness

http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=93822.0 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=93822.0)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: calvinsdream on December 29, 2016, 04:27:59 PM
Quote from: fang on December 26, 2016, 12:19:08 PM
Does anyone here skate wide deck with skinnier trucks?

as in like 8.38 deck with 8 inch trucks? (Nothing like 10 inch deck with 7.75)
if so, how is it?

It gives you more leverage over your turns, if the difference isn't that much (<.5"). More than that feels pretty unstable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 29, 2016, 07:02:58 PM
The no pop nollie heel......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on December 30, 2016, 06:49:08 AM
The last time I used a wider decks with smaller trucks was 1998. I had a 8.1 inch deck with indys 126s  (7.75). If I recall correctly it was totally fine. I'm pondering going wider (8.38) deck with my thunder 147s next time. Hope it's the same. I'm just getting used to these.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 30, 2016, 07:30:50 AM
Quote from: fang on December 30, 2016, 06:49:08 AM
The last time I used a wider decks with smaller trucks was 1998. I had a 8.1 inch deck with indys 126s  (7.75). If I recall correctly it was totally fine. I'm pondering going wider (8.38) deck with my thunder 147s next time. Hope it's the same. I'm just getting used to these.

I still firmly believe that a wider deck with smaller trucks is infinitely easier to flip than the other way around.  8.25 w/ 139's is so easy to toss around. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 30, 2016, 08:30:15 AM
Definitely the board is more easily thrown off axis ie. flip......bad news is...less stable....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 30, 2016, 12:46:55 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 30, 2016, 07:30:50 AM
Quote from: fang on December 30, 2016, 06:49:08 AM
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The last time I used a wider decks with smaller trucks was 1998. I had a 8.1 inch deck with indys 126s  (7.75). If I recall correctly it was totally fine. I'm pondering going wider (8.38) deck with my thunder 147s next time. Hope it's the same. I'm just getting used to these.
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I still firmly believe that a wider deck with smaller trucks is infinitely easier to flip than the other way around.  8.25 w/ 139's is so easy to toss around.  

Agreed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on December 30, 2016, 05:07:21 PM
I don't know how much weed they're smoking in the DLX warehouse, but I've been dealing with a defect issue for a month now, and they've sent me the wrong replacements twice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 30, 2016, 07:21:43 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on December 30, 2016, 05:07:21 PM
I don't know how much weed they're smoking in the DLX warehouse, but I've been dealing with a defect issue for a month now, and they've sent me the wrong replacements twice.

What do you need? Maybe I can help?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on December 30, 2016, 07:56:50 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 30, 2016, 07:21:43 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on December 30, 2016, 05:07:21 PM
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I don't know how much weed they're smoking in the DLX warehouse, but I've been dealing with a defect issue for a month now, and they've sent me the wrong replacements twice.
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What do you need? Maybe I can help?

Lenny's been on it, and it's been the holidays so I get it, but I got some golden ass p-rod trucks back when I sent in silver v-hollows. Trucks are trucks but come on, I'd never buy these, they aren't what I paid for.

edit: Traded them at the local. Shop owner said he just got his dlx order and they were out of a lot of stuff, which I get, but if you're going to send something different, ask...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 30, 2016, 08:56:45 PM
dang, ever since steve bringing the theeves back ive been on them and they ride superb.

but im in a truck affair and cant choose between the theeves, thunders or krux.

i love my krux cause i use to ride them all the time and they kinda take my mind away from thinking what trucks are best feeling/skating for me. but i do feel theyre kinda tall sometimes, that 55mm height is really there(i know they have the downlows but the allen king pin even in forged plates dont stay tight and snug in the hole) but its fun cause theyre light and somewhat turny. idk i feel krux are in my personailty so much that the tech specs dont even matter, just set them up and skate.

the theeves are just amazing in turn and repsonse, undeniably good trucks. i want to stick to them but hmmm...theyre really really good trucks though, like good indys haha(sorry people who love and back indy til death)

thunders i dont even have to say anything, theyre good. classic standard thunder 147/149 hi is the best goto when you need reliable trucks to just go skate
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on December 31, 2016, 03:25:24 AM
Quote from: fang on December 30, 2016, 06:49:08 AM
The last time I used a wider decks with smaller trucks was 1998. I had a 8.1 inch deck with indys 126s  (7.75). If I recall correctly it was totally fine. I'm pondering going wider (8.38) deck with my thunder 147s next time. Hope it's the same. I'm just getting used to these.

8.38" is perfect with Thunder149s. My son just got a 7.9" deck and I think he's gotta go from 145's to 147's. Can't stand the magic carpet look.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 20matar on December 31, 2016, 09:51:20 AM
So I decided to take the bottom washers of my tiny setup's trucks. Now I see why people do that. I barely skated today, but it was enough to see a major improvement to turning and response, considering the trucks are low.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 31, 2016, 12:01:11 PM
Quote from: rob on December 30, 2016, 08:56:45 PM
dang, ever since steve bringing the theeves back ive been on them and they ride superb.

but im in a truck affair and cant choose between the theeves, thunders or krux.

i love my krux cause i use to ride them all the time and they kinda take my mind away from thinking what trucks are best feeling/skating for me. but i do feel theyre kinda tall sometimes, that 55mm height is really there(i know they have the downlows but the allen king pin even in forged plates dont stay tight and snug in the hole) but its fun cause theyre light and somewhat turny. idk i feel krux are in my personailty so much that the tech specs dont even matter, just set them up and skate.

the theeves are just amazing in turn and repsonse, undeniably good trucks. i want to stick to them but hmmm...theyre really really good trucks though, like good indys haha(sorry people who love and back indy til death)

thunders i dont even have to say anything, theyre good. classic standard thunder 147/149 hi is the best goto when you need reliable trucks to just go skate

What happened to your ACE affair?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on December 31, 2016, 06:39:00 PM
Quote from: rob on December 30, 2016, 08:56:45 PM
dang, ever since steve bringing the theeves back ive been on them and they ride superb.

but im in a truck affair and cant choose between the theeves, thunders or krux.

i love my krux cause i use to ride them all the time and they kinda take my mind away from thinking what trucks are best feeling/skating for me. but i do feel theyre kinda tall sometimes, that 55mm height is really there(i know they have the downlows but the allen king pin even in forged plates dont stay tight and snug in the hole) but its fun cause theyre light and somewhat turny. idk i feel krux are in my personailty so much that the tech specs dont even matter, just set them up and skate.

the theeves are just amazing in turn and repsonse, undeniably good trucks. i want to stick to them but hmmm...theyre really really good trucks though, like good indys haha(sorry people who love and back indy til death)

thunders i dont even have to say anything, theyre good. classic standard thunder 147/149 hi is the best goto when you need reliable trucks to just go skate
I just got some Krux about a month ago and at first I absolutely hated them. After about a week of trying to break them in I just gave up and got some indy super soft bushings in them and now they feel amazing. Turn nice and squirly and yet stable. Also I kinda like the idea of not having one of the "big 3" trucks for some reason. (even though I'm using indy bushings)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 31, 2016, 09:27:44 PM
Well the thing was, I was going good and grinding on my ace 03 for a good 3 weeks then I wanted to see if I could swap the bushings and as I took them apart the sad truth of China quality showed its ugly head. The king pin on my front truck was loose. I didn't wanna deal with warranty so I just went back to thunders for a good moment but now that I got the right size theeves on my deck it's really buying me.

I love krux for that squrrelly yet stable feel too cause it makes up for the height for the most part but it gets to me little by little every now and then so I'm undecided on riding krux or theeves. Krux are fun but the theeves have excellent response for the height and all. I'm popping over things after another so fast and the turn is amazing. No crack after a landing is gonna catch me with those theeves plugged on.

I wanna try ace 44 but kinda worried they'll be tall feeling. Maybe they'll be like the krux and I won't really notice it but it's a stretch I'll think on. Indy's though. The standards are crazy tall feeling and the stability is bad in my opinion. They turn well and have somewhat good response but tall and unstable=just bad feels

I find it funny how much I get kooked for my truck posts 8)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 31, 2016, 11:35:13 PM
Quote from: rob on December 31, 2016, 09:27:44 PM
Well the thing was, I was going good and grinding on my ace 03 for a good 3 weeks then I wanted to see if I could swap the bushings and as I took them apart the sad truth of China quality showed its ugly head. The king pin on my front truck was loose. I didn't wanna deal with warranty so I just went back to thunders for a good moment but now that I got the right size theeves on my deck it's really buying me.

I love krux for that squrrelly yet stable feel too cause it makes up for the height for the most part but it gets to me little by little every now and then so I'm undecided on riding krux or theeves. Krux are fun but the theeves have excellent response for the height and all. I'm popping over things after another so fast and the turn is amazing. No crack after a landing is gonna catch me with those theeves plugged on.

I wanna try ace 44 but kinda worried they'll be tall feeling. Maybe they'll be like the krux and I won't really notice it but it's a stretch I'll think on. Indy's though. The standards are crazy tall feeling and the stability is bad in my opinion. They turn well and have somewhat good response but tall and unstable=just bad feels

I find it funny how much I get kooked for my truck posts 8)

No Kooking from me.

The 8.25" Krux were too tall for me, just felt weird; even with Indys I still skate forged for the lower height. Lower trucks, but not lows, always feel better to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 01, 2017, 01:50:45 AM
aha thanks xen, i need all the kooking i can get until i realize not even the internet can handle my truck nerd rants. i should just skate one setup and swap the deck when it breaks like every normal skater but im sick in the head ahaha

i realized now back when i mentioned the forged thing it had to deal with the weight distribution i really couldnt handle, the hanger weighing so much while the light and thin and flimsy baseplate is holding it tight to the board would throw me off

cause i skated the krux forged and they feel farily normal, im so stuck. catsup or ketchup...

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on January 01, 2017, 07:32:16 AM
Quote from: rob on December 31, 2016, 09:27:44 PM
Well the thing was, I was going good and grinding on my ace 03 for a good 3 weeks then I wanted to see if I could swap the bushings and as I took them apart the sad truth of China quality showed its ugly head. The king pin on my front truck was loose. I didn't wanna deal with warranty so I just went back to thunders for a good moment but now that I got the right size theeves on my deck it's really buying me.

I love krux for that squrrelly yet stable feel too cause it makes up for the height for the most part but it gets to me little by little every now and then so I'm undecided on riding krux or theeves. Krux are fun but the theeves have excellent response for the height and all. I'm popping over things after another so fast and the turn is amazing. No crack after a landing is gonna catch me with those theeves plugged on.

I wanna try ace 44 but kinda worried they'll be tall feeling. Maybe they'll be like the krux and I won't really notice it but it's a stretch I'll think on. Indy's though. The standards are crazy tall feeling and the stability is bad in my opinion. They turn well and have somewhat good response but tall and unstable=just bad feels

I find it funny how much I get kooked for my truck posts 8)

Ace 44's are about 53mm in height which is lower than Indy stage 10 even. They definitely don't feel tall or tippy or anything like that.. Which actually is weird cause they're the only trucks I've tested that you can ride super fucking loose and turny and never really get wheelbite, even with 54mm+ wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 01, 2017, 07:34:29 AM
I'm back on Indy.

Thunder skates the best for me on street and I think the Theeves were the best all around truck that I've skated but it's just nice having Indy's under my feet.  I can't explain it because I don't particularly like the geometry so I think their marketing is ingrained in my subconscious
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Rick Sanchez on January 01, 2017, 07:44:06 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 01, 2017, 07:34:29 AM
I'm back on Indy.

Thunder skates the best for me on street and I think the Theeves were the best all around truck that I've skated but it's just nice having Indy's under my feet.  I can't explain it because I don't particularly like the geometry so I think their marketing is ingrained in my subconscious

INDY FOR LIFE BRO

Just kidding, I know exactly what you mean. Theyre so widely regarded as the best (fuck the rest) but I don't understand why yet I feel weird skating anything else
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 01, 2017, 07:51:20 AM
Quote from: Rick Sanchez on January 01, 2017, 07:44:06 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 01, 2017, 07:34:29 AM
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I'm back on Indy.

Thunder skates the best for me on street and I think the Theeves were the best all around truck that I've skated but it's just nice having Indy's under my feet.  I can't explain it because I don't particularly like the geometry so I think their marketing is ingrained in my subconscious
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INDY FOR LIFE BRO

Just kidding, I know exactly what you mean. Theyre so widely regarded as the best (fuck the rest) but I don't understand why yet I feel weird skating anything else

I've said it before about Thunder and I just experienced the same thing on Theeve - I'd rather skate worse on Indy's than skate better on another truck wishing I were skating Indy's.   It's totally stupid but I can't get past it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on January 01, 2017, 08:20:50 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 01, 2017, 07:51:20 AM
Quote from: Rick Sanchez on January 01, 2017, 07:44:06 AM
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Quote from: BMCsteve on January 01, 2017, 07:34:29 AM
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I'm back on Indy.

Thunder skates the best for me on street and I think the Theeves were the best all around truck that I've skated but it's just nice having Indy's under my feet.  I can't explain it because I don't particularly like the geometry so I think their marketing is ingrained in my subconscious
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INDY FOR LIFE BRO

Just kidding, I know exactly what you mean. Theyre so widely regarded as the best (fuck the rest) but I don't understand why yet I feel weird skating anything else
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I've said it before about Thunder and I just experienced the same thing on Theeve - I'd rather skate worse on Indy's than skate better on another truck wishing I were skating Indy's.   It's totally stupid but I can't get past it

Granted I like indy more as a brand, but I feel like they're the most predictable truck out there too. Ace are a little too squirly, Thunders don't turn deep enough and feel stiff etc.. Indy's are just Indy's and they do their job but don't blow minds.

It's like going on vacation in paradise filled with hot women, partying and activities everyday and then come home to your average girlfriend in your average eventful city. Paradise is fun, sure.. But you get over it. All you want in life is a nice stable predictable truck to go with the same old pizza choice from your favorite pizzeria while you watch that movie you've seen 8 times already. Because it makes you feel like home. Plus those paradise girls are all stingy about buttstuff lol wtf
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on January 01, 2017, 10:00:51 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 01, 2017, 07:34:29 AM
I'm back on Indy.

Thunder skates the best for me on street and I think the Theeves were the best all around truck that I've skated but it's just nice having Indy's under my feet.  I can't explain it because I don't particularly like the geometry so I think their marketing is ingrained in my subconscious

After wandering in the wilderness the last few months, I ended up on indy 159's boring! But really, I hate to think that image and marketing has that much of an effect.. They just feel right, the weight, the finish, etc..

I ended up liking the tallness, never a worry about wheelbite (and being able to run 57mm conical fulls with no risers), and I'm tall with big feet.. it kind of makes sense in a way. They're actually really stable, I'm sure different people have different experiences based on what they use them for. The slow, deep turn is just what I like.

I didn't mind my time with ACE, the hight is perfect, the turn is golden.. But the quality is shit, and the geo makes bombing and going fast more risky than it needs to be.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on January 01, 2017, 12:50:42 PM
Interesting how Ace Joey T is all "jah rastafari one love" and then makes a living ripping people off with made in china trucks that are riddled with problems. You gotta cross your fingers if you order them and hope you get a set that doesn't have some sort of defect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 01, 2017, 02:33:10 PM
Quote from: Deekay on January 01, 2017, 07:32:16 AM
Quote from: rob on December 31, 2016, 09:27:44 PM
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Well the thing was, I was going good and grinding on my ace 03 for a good 3 weeks then I wanted to see if I could swap the bushings and as I took them apart the sad truth of China quality showed its ugly head. The king pin on my front truck was loose. I didn't wanna deal with warranty so I just went back to thunders for a good moment but now that I got the right size theeves on my deck it's really buying me.

I love krux for that squrrelly yet stable feel too cause it makes up for the height for the most part but it gets to me little by little every now and then so I'm undecided on riding krux or theeves. Krux are fun but the theeves have excellent response for the height and all. I'm popping over things after another so fast and the turn is amazing. No crack after a landing is gonna catch me with those theeves plugged on.

I wanna try ace 44 but kinda worried they'll be tall feeling. Maybe they'll be like the krux and I won't really notice it but it's a stretch I'll think on. Indy's though. The standards are crazy tall feeling and the stability is bad in my opinion. They turn well and have somewhat good response but tall and unstable=just bad feels

I find it funny how much I get kooked for my truck posts 8)
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Ace 44's are about 53mm in height which is lower than Indy stage 10 even. They definitely don't feel tall or tippy or anything like that.. Which actually is weird cause they're the only trucks I've tested that you can ride super fucking loose and turny and never really get wheelbite, even with 54mm+ wheels.

aha now you got me going, i guess i will have to pick up that set of ace 44 at my local ;D

Quote from: Main on January 01, 2017, 12:50:42 PM
Interesting how Ace Joey T is all "jah rastafari one love" and then makes a living ripping people off with made in china trucks that are riddled with problems. You gotta cross your fingers if you order them and hope you get a set that doesn't have some sort of defect.

yeah that really offsets my curiosity to try another set but my 03 did feel nice for the 3 weeks i had them on. the turn was just right, the grind felt amazing and smooth, the weight was perfect. then the infamous kingpin wobble. but hey maybe the new 44 is all around better. kinda pricey though for the risk...


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I've said it before about Thunder and I just experienced the same thing on Theeve - I'd rather skate worse on Indy's than skate better on another truck wishing I were skating Indy's.   It's totally stupid but I can't get past it
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thats how i feel about my krux in a way, they feel so nostalgic. riding a truck i use to ride setup after setup cause they were perfectly adjusted and i didnt have to take days to get use to a new deck, the trucks just worked for me and i loved everything about them. the brand, the riders, the look, the idea.

but compared to thunders and theeve all around qualities...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on January 01, 2017, 05:39:18 PM
Ace 44's aren't much of an improvement than they used to be. Heavier, still bend according to what I've read one person say on here. I've had two sets with loose kingpins, another two that had wonky hangers with bad axle facings. One set with a longer axle than the other truck, and pretty much all of these made my set-up sound dead when the wheels hit the ground or I popped, even before the kingpins started becoming loose.

Ace has the potential to be the best truck out, the turning is unreal, but until they lay off the grass and make some improvements with their QC I will no longer be backing them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 01, 2017, 06:22:06 PM
aha dang, sounds like a real gamble to try now...

hmmm...shell out $60 for a set of china trucks or just skate my reliable thunders...

probably gonna be sometime before i make the move. so thunders.

well i went back out for a session today swapping my trucks to the next seeing which really suited me and this is how it went

i love krux, theyre nice trucks, they felt nice(not great but good) butttttttt....they were kinda tall, my ollies were popped but that height was messing with my flatground which is one of my favorite things to skate so moving on to theeve

theeves were almost great, very good. pop and response amazing, ollie up curbs and quick deep turn at speed no hassle, ollie over things very good pop, response and impact stability. sad though cause flatground game was alright, good alright. just not as good as thunders.
when i say flatground though i mean flip trick feel.

im not gonna totally throw the theeves to the curb but i think if i couldnt ride thunder then theeve is on the backup. for now til i go psycho thunder 147 hi standard is what i ride.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 01, 2017, 06:59:23 PM
Guys, I've posted this before and I know it's something you shouldn't have to do with a pair of trucks to make them work/last but epoxying the loose kingpins on Aces works nicely. I've got both sets of Main's loose kingpin 44s and I epoxied the kingpins in place to get rid of the dead sound and so far have had zero issues with them. Just saying, a loose kingpin shouldn't be something that makes you throw away your trucks as the fix is both easy and cheap. These are my first pair of Aces and I really like them. Stock bottom and Bones medium top bushing. Nice surfy turns but still stable for higher speed stuff. I'll promote the Aces from my cruiser set up to my main set up once my leg heals up and demote my Indys to my cruiser set up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 01, 2017, 08:00:03 PM
Quote from: Roisto on January 01, 2017, 06:59:23 PM
Guys, I've posted this before and I know it's something you shouldn't have to do with a pair of trucks to make them work/last but epoxying the loose kingpins on Aces works nicely. I've got both sets of Main's loose kingpin 44s and I epoxied the kingpins in place to get rid of the dead sound and so far have had zero issues with them. Just saying, a loose kingpin shouldn't be something that makes you throw away your trucks as the fix is both easy and cheap. These are my first pair of Aces and I really like them. Stock bottom and Bones medium top bushing. Nice surfy turns but still stable for higher speed stuff. I'll promote the Aces from my cruiser set up to my main set up once my leg heals up and demote my Indys to my cruiser set up.

Can also throw in a krux kingpin to fix and reduce weight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on January 02, 2017, 01:32:35 AM
Sent an E-Mail to NHS regarding Krux Bushings and as to why they don't have them in stock and also when they'll have them "In-Stock" again. Has anyone gotten a response? sent it almost 4 days ago. Can't find them anywhere online or my local. Anyone on here wanna PM me and possibly do a proxy via their local that carries it then i'm willing to get a couple and compensate for the help.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: christ0v on January 02, 2017, 01:49:05 AM
Quote from: rob on January 01, 2017, 06:22:06 PM
aha dang, sounds like a real gamble to try now...

hmmm...shell out $60 for a set of china trucks or just skate my reliable thunders...

probably gonna be sometime before i make the move. so thunders.

well i went back out for a session today swapping my trucks to the next seeing which really suited me and this is how it went

i love krux, theyre nice trucks, they felt nice(not great but good) butttttttt....they were kinda tall, my ollies were popped but that height was messing with my flatground which is one of my favorite things to skate so moving on to theeve

theeves were almost great, very good. pop and response amazing, ollie up curbs and quick deep turn at speed no hassle, ollie over things very good pop, response and impact stability. sad though cause flatground game was alright, good alright. just not as good as thunders.
when i say flatground though i mean flip trick feel.

im not gonna totally throw the theeves to the curb but i think if i couldnt ride thunder then theeve is on the backup. for now til i go psycho thunder 147 hi standard is what i ride.

I think that you need to sell everything and leave only one set haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 02, 2017, 02:47:53 AM
Ahaha I wish I could sell some of my trucks but I know I'd regret it when my curiosity comes around.

All this Indy talk reminded me...I have a set of Indy 139 lows I was backing hard some months ago and I threw them on and they are...GREAT!

Idk why I even took them off, probably got caught up trying other stuff and got lost but damn...! I remember I backed them cause I always mention my love for lower trucks and these are lower trucks(like my ace03) that turned really well and deep especially for LOWs

Idk they're that Indy deep turn and response but because they're low the stability to me is better since lower center of gravity

I think I'm back to the Indy 139 lows, they fix everything I was missing in my setup feel. Low, solid, good turn, good response, good weight, and flip trick feel is amazing.

I deserve the coming negatives to my rep for all this trouble but I think I'm gonna be off this thread for some time now. These Indy lows just work for me too well, especially with my wheels of choice(bones STF) I think I can actually say, I've got my goto reliable truck&wheel setup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on January 02, 2017, 07:03:06 AM
skating some Indy 149, stage 11, 2yr old cast baseplates, with titanium hangars, indy aftermarket orange conical bushings

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on January 02, 2017, 08:27:24 AM
Quote from: Main on January 01, 2017, 12:50:42 PM
Interesting how Ace Joey T is all "jah rastafari one love" and then makes a living ripping people off with made in china trucks that are riddled with problems. You gotta cross your fingers if you order them and hope you get a set that doesn't have some sort of defect.

This kind of information is what pushed me towards Thunder or Venture over Ace when I bought new trucks. I didn't want to spend more money on Chinese made trucks when Thunders where $3.00 less each, not about the money but the principle. Besides I skated Thunders back when there was a skull and crossbones on them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 02, 2017, 10:08:12 AM
Quote from: ferraveemo on January 02, 2017, 01:32:35 AM
Sent an E-Mail to NHS regarding Krux Bushings and as to why they don't have them in stock and also when they'll have them "In-Stock" again. Has anyone gotten a response? sent it almost 4 days ago. Can't find them anywhere online or my local. Anyone on here wanna PM me and possibly do a proxy via their local that carries it then i'm willing to get a couple and compensate for the help.

It's the holidays man. For a lot of people that includes today too, nobody's been working.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 02, 2017, 10:09:34 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 02, 2017, 10:08:12 AM
Quote from: ferraveemo on January 02, 2017, 01:32:35 AM
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Sent an E-Mail to NHS regarding Krux Bushings and as to why they don't have them in stock and also when they'll have them "In-Stock" again. Has anyone gotten a response? sent it almost 4 days ago. Can't find them anywhere online or my local. Anyone on here wanna PM me and possibly do a proxy via their local that carries it then i'm willing to get a couple and compensate for the help.
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It's the holidays man. For a lot of people that includes today too, nobody's been working.

Aren't the indy blue cylinders bushings essentially the same as the Krux bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 02, 2017, 10:14:22 AM
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Sent an E-Mail to NHS regarding Krux Bushings and as to why they don't have them in stock and also when they'll have them "In-Stock" again. Has anyone gotten a response? sent it almost 4 days ago. Can't find them anywhere online or my local. Anyone on here wanna PM me and possibly do a proxy via their local that carries it then i'm willing to get a couple and compensate for the help.
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It's the holidays man. For a lot of people that includes today too, nobody's been working.
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Aren't the indy blue cylinders bushings essentially the same as the Krux bushings?
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I think the whole "krux bushings in aces" thing is a little over-hyped. Loosen your shit up and the new bushings are fine right out the gate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on January 02, 2017, 11:04:39 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 02, 2017, 10:14:22 AM
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Sent an E-Mail to NHS regarding Krux Bushings and as to why they don't have them in stock and also when they'll have them "In-Stock" again. Has anyone gotten a response? sent it almost 4 days ago. Can't find them anywhere online or my local. Anyone on here wanna PM me and possibly do a proxy via their local that carries it then i'm willing to get a couple and compensate for the help.
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It's the holidays man. For a lot of people that includes today too, nobody's been working.
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Aren't the indy blue cylinders bushings essentially the same as the Krux bushings?
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I think the whole "krux bushings in aces" thing is a little over-hyped. Loosen your shit up and the new bushings are fine right out the gate.
A lot of people can't loosen their shit up enough with out the nut falling off constantly. Pretty much the whole krux bushing thing is about the top bushing being shorter than the stock ace bushings and actually being able to get the nut to stay on. I agree with new Ace bushings are fine though. But they still took some breaking in to not feel too tight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JerrySeinfeld on January 02, 2017, 01:44:24 PM
I'm trying too figure out some options for my trucks. I like riding indy hallows with 54-56mm wheels. I ride my trucks on the looser side and I get a lot of wheel bit. Are there any indys that are a little bit higher than the hallows? I think the ones I have now are like some Koston or Ryenolds indy hallows.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on January 02, 2017, 02:44:26 PM
I don't know if you're committed to hollows, but the new plain jane stage 11's are probably slightly higher. I ride 54mm and bite is a non-issue.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on January 02, 2017, 03:13:48 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 01, 2017, 07:34:29 AM
I'm back on Indy.

Thunder skates the best for me on street and I think the Theeves were the best all around truck that I've skated but it's just nice having Indy's under my feet.  I can't explain it because I don't particularly like the geometry so I think their marketing is ingrained in my subconscious

I'm worried that this will happen to me, hence my attempts at forcing myself to have Thunder/Venture loyalty. This is my thing: All Indys from 86-2003 were great to me. Only other time I cheated was BPSW era Venture featherlights (awesome!). Anyway, startin at Stage XI, I noticed when I would land tricks, I'd do this rear-hand softball pitch move with my arm and my landings felt like luck, not skill. This is what started my "what the hell is up with these trucks issue" which has now lasted 13 years. I have video of me doing a flatground kickflip and doing that rear hand softball throw. ANYWAY, with Ventures I don't have it, and with Thunders I don't... and also with Thunders, my kickflips have pop that I didn't with venture orIndy. That all being said.. as far as crusing the streets, I KNOW I love the way Indys feel, I just suck at tricks on them. Or they don't feel as comfortable, one or the other
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 02, 2017, 08:40:12 PM
Quote from: fang on January 02, 2017, 03:13:48 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 01, 2017, 07:34:29 AM
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I'm back on Indy.

Thunder skates the best for me on street and I think the Theeves were the best all around truck that I've skated but it's just nice having Indy's under my feet.  I can't explain it because I don't particularly like the geometry so I think their marketing is ingrained in my subconscious
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I'm worried that this will happen to me, hence my attempts at forcing myself to have Thunder/Venture loyalty. This is my thing: All Indys from 86-2003 were great to me. Only other time I cheated was BPSW era Venture featherlights (awesome!). Anyway, startin at Stage XI, I noticed when I would land tricks, I'd do this rear-hand softball pitch move with my arm and my landings felt like luck, not skill. This is what started my "what the hell is up with these trucks issue" which has now lasted 13 years. I have video of me doing a flatground kickflip and doing that rear hand softball throw. ANYWAY, with Ventures I don't have it, and with Thunders I don't... and also with Thunders, my kickflips have pop that I didn't with venture orIndy. That all being said.. as far as crusing the streets, I KNOW I love the way Indys feel, I just suck at tricks on them. Or they don't feel as comfortable, one or the other

Trust me, Indy 139 lows
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 02, 2017, 08:47:39 PM
Quote from: rob on January 02, 2017, 08:40:12 PM
Quote from: fang on January 02, 2017, 03:13:48 PM
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I'm back on Indy.

Thunder skates the best for me on street and I think the Theeves were the best all around truck that I've skated but it's just nice having Indy's under my feet.  I can't explain it because I don't particularly like the geometry so I think their marketing is ingrained in my subconscious
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I'm worried that this will happen to me, hence my attempts at forcing myself to have Thunder/Venture loyalty. This is my thing: All Indys from 86-2003 were great to me. Only other time I cheated was BPSW era Venture featherlights (awesome!). Anyway, startin at Stage XI, I noticed when I would land tricks, I'd do this rear-hand softball pitch move with my arm and my landings felt like luck, not skill. This is what started my "what the hell is up with these trucks issue" which has now lasted 13 years. I have video of me doing a flatground kickflip and doing that rear hand softball throw. ANYWAY, with Ventures I don't have it, and with Thunders I don't... and also with Thunders, my kickflips have pop that I didn't with venture orIndy. That all being said.. as far as crusing the streets, I KNOW I love the way Indys feel, I just suck at tricks on them. Or they don't feel as comfortable, one or the other
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Trust me, Indy 139 lows
Trust him, he's sworn 6 truck companies in as many weeks. He knows.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 02, 2017, 08:49:27 PM
Ahahaha trust me! They work! Throw some of those new Indy low conical medium soft reds and you'll be in good hands
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on January 02, 2017, 09:31:18 PM
I think this thread is my favorite place on the internet. I don't feel so lonely knowing there's others out there with the same crippling mental illnesses as me (:
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on January 03, 2017, 02:11:46 AM
Quote from: rob on January 02, 2017, 08:49:27 PM
Ahahaha trust me! They work! Throw some of those new Indy low conical medium soft reds and you'll be in good hands

I ended up skating them with cutted indy bushings  AND without bottom washers and they still wouldn't turn as i like my indys to turn. Ended up bying standard stage 11 and im hppy to go,no more low trucks for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 03, 2017, 10:36:13 AM
Hehehe, low trucks and turning....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 03, 2017, 12:16:11 PM
60 plus pages and indys are the best?  What's next?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on January 03, 2017, 02:56:56 PM
Its the nature of the universe. In the beginning is always indy. Then there's agitation that gives birth to the whole spectrum of alternatives, until the day everything contracts and returns to the origin.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dima on January 03, 2017, 03:20:12 PM
anyone know if and how much is wheelbite an issue when riding thunders loose?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on January 03, 2017, 04:10:26 PM
Quote from: Dima on January 03, 2017, 03:20:12 PM
anyone know if and how much is wheelbite an issue when riding thunders loose?
I have some wheelbite marks on my deck, but I've only been thrown off once from it. I'm riding Thunder Team 149's  with 56mm conical fulls, I did put 1/8" risers under them recently.
Over all I am really loving them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 03, 2017, 05:34:24 PM
Quote from: Dima on January 03, 2017, 03:20:12 PM
anyone know if and how much is wheelbite an issue when riding thunders loose?

If you skate 54+ wheels and loose thunders make sure you have a good life insurance policy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 03, 2017, 07:52:09 PM
Quote from: clamy on January 03, 2017, 06:49:05 PM
I tried a set of Thunders for a few days and couldn't get them loose enough to even get wheel bite with 54mm wheels. I had some aftermarket medium Thunder bushings and they just felt stiff.

Even though the stock Ace bushings feel a little stiff at first, they broke in nicely for me (skating a set of stock 44s for like 9 months with no problems). With the Thunders they felt like they were never going to become loose enough.


The medium thunder bushings are pretty hard.  try the stocks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Opoin on January 03, 2017, 08:24:29 PM
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Quote from: clamy on January 03, 2017, 06:49:05 PM
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I tried a set of Thunders for a few days and couldn't get them loose enough to even get wheel bite with 54mm wheels. I had some aftermarket medium Thunder bushings and they just felt stiff.

Even though the stock Ace bushings feel a little stiff at first, they broke in nicely for me (skating a set of stock 44s for like 9 months with no problems). With the Thunders they felt like they were never going to become loose enough.

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The medium thunder bushings are pretty hard.  try the stocks

Or just get soft Indy conicals.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dima on January 04, 2017, 05:17:22 AM
I roll with 51/52...the height of thunders just trips me out but I guess the geometrics are so different than indy that who knows...was definitely gonna roll with the red indy conicals.

been skating the hollow indies with out the bottom washer and they are that loose that with the shakeage, any bushing/pivot cup gets shredded in weeks so need to find something equally turning without getting shithoused all the time and what I remember that at least thunders have a tight turning radius.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourfuckingdad on January 05, 2017, 01:23:16 PM
Getting new trucks for the first time in years and really don't know what to do.

My old set which I loved were Indy Stage 9 169's with Bones Hard bushing set really loose.

I've heard that the Indy's since stage 9 have been kinda shit, so I was thinking of going with Ace or Thunder.

My reservation with Ace is that I've heard they don't last too long. The guy at my shop said he went from Indy to Thunder when they started going downhill and really likes them.

I'm just worried that I'll end up with a setup I don't like as I'm pretty sure I've only ever rode Indy and I've had the same pair of trucks for like 4 years.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 05, 2017, 01:38:40 PM
What ever shit you heard about with stage 9's now is not going to be worse than ace....and thunders are not going to turn like your indys.....

The correct answer is THEEVE.....

Which is why you should just back away from this whole thread and buy another set of indys.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 05, 2017, 04:51:39 PM
ha ha J Soy is probably correct. I don't even acknowledge Theeve. I'm too old and stubborn to take such a risk. Indy, Thunder, Ace only... maybe Krux.

But to the dude who posted above. Stage 11s are far better than 9s. 8s and 9s were the worst. Go ahead and get some 159 Stage 11s. They are probably closest to what you are used to. Stage 169s are now 9.125" wide I believe.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on January 06, 2017, 06:51:45 AM
Quote from: N.L. on January 05, 2017, 04:51:39 PM
ha ha J Soy is probably correct. I don't even acknowledge Theeve. I'm too old and stubborn to take such a risk. Indy, Thunder, Ace only... maybe Krux.

But to the dude who posted above. Stage 11s are far better than 9s. 8s and 9s were the worst. Go ahead and get some 159 Stage 11s. They are probably closest to what you are used to. Stage 169s are now 9.125" wide I believe.

What was wrong with 8s? I only had one pair but I don't remember much about em. 7s were the shit. 9 were the worst of all time. I've read that a few times about 8s but I can't remember much about them as I had stage 7s then got 8s not long before the 9s came out and 9s sucked so bad

Edit: actually if I recall correctly stage 8 may have been the first time I ever broke a kingpin leading me to buy stage 9 and becoming a turncoat using ventures asap
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: danjtony on January 06, 2017, 08:51:08 AM
What was bad about 9's? I'm riding an old set of stage 9 159's cause they're all I got for now until I can afford new 11's. They seem more or less the same, but I think they're lower or something cause they bite more than stage 11's, also a bit wider.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 06, 2017, 09:24:47 AM
8s and 9s didn't turn as well as the 11s. in my humble opinion. 11s returned to a deeper turning geometry. the kingpin was also pretty exposed with 8s and 9s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourfuckingdad on January 06, 2017, 10:30:51 AM
Cheers, thanks for the insights. I'll go with the Indy's + Bones hards.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on January 06, 2017, 02:52:29 PM
 Indy replacemet bushigs.  Conical or cylinders ? What's the difference /pros and cons of each?

Conicals = more turny and cylinder = less turny but more stable or am I way off?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 06, 2017, 03:49:53 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on January 06, 2017, 02:52:29 PM
Indy replacemet bushigs.  Conical or cylinders ? What's the difference /pros and cons of each?

Conicals = more turny and cylinder = less turny but more stable or am I way off?

You're exactly correct.  From there it's just figuring out the right duro.  I like the orange conical for street and the red cylinder for tranny
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 06, 2017, 11:33:18 PM
wat up slappers, im back

so being back on the indy 139 lows(like i was months ago) i saw the sale thread and got a good discount on some of those hot hot indy hollow gravity cast hollows LOWS and im happy, got those bad boys and set them up, was so psyched to go skate. everythings going perfect, especially my wheelie game is smoother, probably new bushings, but then i notice something just a tad off. my back truck is some how this smoothly looser than my front truck even though theyre both tightened about flush.

i take the trucks hangars off to discover who ever puts the trucks together at the factory is blowing it, the sharp edge flat side of the bushing is hangar side on one truck and smooth round edge on the other(the back looser feeling truck)

it got me all crazy again thinking, which side of cylinder bushings goes in the yoke or whatever you call the bushing cup of the hangar?

i wanna hear replies even though im just gonna stick to the traditional sharp edge flat side touching the hangar since thats the way it is with conicals/only way with conicals cause what dummy would put conicals upside down
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on January 07, 2017, 01:24:26 AM
Quote from: rob on January 06, 2017, 11:33:18 PM
my back truck is some how this smoothly looser than my front truck even though theyre both tightened about flush.


This always happens to me. Every time I get new trucks and put in new bushings I try to make them the same tightness and when I get them about perfect it always looks as if one truck should be much tighter than the other lol.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: christ0v on January 07, 2017, 01:27:30 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 06, 2017, 03:49:53 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on January 06, 2017, 02:52:29 PM
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Indy replacemet bushigs.  Conical or cylinders ? What's the difference /pros and cons of each?

Conicals = more turny and cylinder = less turny but more stable or am I way off?
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You're exactly correct.  From there it's just figuring out the right duro.  I like the orange conical for street and the red cylinder for tranny


are those the INDEPENDENT 90A LOW CONICAL MEDIUM BUSHINGS? How do they fit 149 11s ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on January 07, 2017, 06:26:56 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 03, 2017, 05:34:24 PM
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anyone know if and how much is wheelbite an issue when riding thunders loose?
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If you skate 54+ wheels and loose thunders make sure you have a good life insurance policy
Just to add some contrast, I skate 54's with team plate 149's and never wheel bite really(don't skate drops...), I use hard bushings though, got more wheelbite on indy's using medium/soft ones
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 07, 2017, 08:11:54 AM
Quote from: christ0v on January 07, 2017, 01:27:30 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 06, 2017, 03:49:53 PM
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Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on January 06, 2017, 02:52:29 PM
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Indy replacemet bushigs.  Conical or cylinders ? What's the difference /pros and cons of each?

Conicals = more turny and cylinder = less turny but more stable or am I way off?
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You're exactly correct.  From there it's just figuring out the right duro.  I like the orange conical for street and the red cylinder for tranny

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are those the INDEPENDENT 90A LOW CONICAL MEDIUM BUSHINGS? How do they fit 149 11s ?

use the regular ones unless you have lows
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on January 11, 2017, 01:02:16 PM
Anyone ever use the thunder 147s hollow lights? Same height as the regular 147s? Weight difference?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on January 11, 2017, 01:55:34 PM
are tensor mag light reg trucks pieces of shit like ive heard or are they actually ok?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on January 11, 2017, 02:04:42 PM
Quote from: fang on January 11, 2017, 01:02:16 PM
Anyone ever use the thunder 147s hollow lights? Same height as the regular 147s? Weight difference?

They're about 1.5-2mm lower than the regular 147's, and the regulars are kinda low-ish already. The 147 lights are only about 1.5mm higher than indy lows I think, so they're stable as shit but they don't really turn that well if you're used to skate ace's or indy highs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on January 11, 2017, 02:27:50 PM
Quote from: ducky darnsworth on January 11, 2017, 01:55:34 PM
are tensor mag light reg trucks pieces of shit like ive heard or are they actually ok?

Are you thinking about getting Tensors?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on January 11, 2017, 03:10:00 PM
Quote from: VCR on January 11, 2017, 02:27:50 PM
Quote from: ducky darnsworth on January 11, 2017, 01:55:34 PM
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are tensor mag light reg trucks pieces of shit like ive heard or are they actually ok?
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Are you thinking about getting Tensors?

i saw some for $30 and i was thinking of making a useless flatground/freestyle board, so yeah i am
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 11, 2017, 05:42:07 PM
Skated some Theeve Tih 5.5s (8.18" Axle) today, stock bushings with the bones washer on bottom, krux pin.

Wow! I forgot how easy Theeve were to skate, like less squirrly ACEs (not a stretch seeing as the V1 protos were ran with Ace plates). Felt really stable for ollies and manuals and were still carvey enough for me not to die and be able to recover. And this is after being off the board for a loooooong time due to injury (fuck you ankle) and all the rain.

Grinding rough crete was awesome and cold/sticky square metal edges were not a problem at all. The new 'hardcore' bushings, I dare say, break in far easier than Bones Meds which leads me to believe they are tad bit softer; they felt like really worn in Bones meds.

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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on January 11, 2017, 10:38:16 PM
So right now I'm riding Indy 149s hollow (cast, not forged base since the forged base is 1-2 mm lower) with the medium orange Indy replacement bushings. I have them as loose as I can to where when I turn the board upside down and put all my pressure on the truck with my hand it just barely avoids wheelbite.

 Best trucks I've ever ridden hands down.



Also I do way more frontside grinds than backside so every new deck I put the truck that was on the back on the front on the new board and th back on the front. This way it grinds down more evenly. Since I try to have both trucks as close to the same tightness as I can (that way if I have to use the nose as the tail it feels the same), I never really notice a difference. This also helps get that nice groove on both trucks evenly.


Otherwise I never really fuck with my trucks.




Oh and sometimes if I think about it and am not in a hurry/anxious to set up my board I put a sticker over the mounting holes before I put on the trucks. Heard Mikey Taylor does this because he heard Koston do it. It's supposed to help prevent creaking. Now I know that the main source of creaking is from the pivot cups drying out and maybe it's a placebo but it seems to work to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 11, 2017, 11:24:18 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 11, 2017, 05:42:07 PM
Skated some Theeve Tih 5.5s (8.18" Axle) today, stock bushings with the bones washer on bottom, krux pin.

Wow! I forgot how easy Theeve were to skate, like less squirrly ACEs (not a stretch seeing as the V1 protos were ran with Ace plates). Felt really stable for ollies and manuals and were still carvey enough for me not to die and be able to recover. And this is after being off the board for a loooooong time due to injury (fuck you ankle) and all the rain.

Grinding rough crete was awesome and cold/sticky square edges were not a problem at all. The new 'hardcore' bushings, I dare say, break in far easier than Bones Meds which leads me to believe they are tad bit softer; they felt like really worn in Bones meds.



I find curbs grind super good...angle iron and coping not as good...and sparks fly regularly.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 12, 2017, 12:27:59 AM
hmmmmmm... do you guys think they change or tweak the indy aftermarket bushings formula from time to time ?

i have some for my lows i bought a year ago i think maybe longer and i noticed compared to the previous aftermarkets that had they seem about the same, nothing different but the color of the bushings were very different, the old ones were like if you made bushings with a bunch of melted plain colored crayons but the ones that they have now(and that i bought a year ago) look like the regular glossy bushings we all have.

i threw the year old aftermarket indy mediums i have in my new indys and they do feel snappier, a little more stable somehow too for conicals compared to the stock cylinder(maybe cause the stock are softer 88a or squishier)  but im having an ocd moment as usual thinking if they tweaked the formula recently, do they change the formula often is my question and has it been recent?

everyone on slap boasting the indy aftermarkets are really getting to me, i feel like they might be like insoles where the stock is usually kinda trash but when you buy aftermarket insoles like footprints they make everything better

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 20matar on January 12, 2017, 09:13:34 AM
Are the colors of stock Indy bushings supposed to mean something? I bought a pair of 139mm low Stage 10s. They come with red bushings and I'll need to replace them. I plan on skating them until they smash, but still I'm curious about the best way to replace them. Are the reds supposed to be the softer ones? These are tiny little conical bushings. Never seen conical bushings on low trucks before.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 12, 2017, 09:35:21 AM
Quote from: 20matar on January 12, 2017, 09:13:34 AM
Are the colors of stock Indy bushings supposed to mean something? I bought a pair of 139mm low Stage 10s. They come with red bushings and I'll need to replace them. I plan on skating them until they smash, but still I'm curious about the best way to replace them. Are the reds supposed to be the softer ones? These are tiny little conical bushings. Never seen conical bushings on low trucks before.

The colors of the aftermarket bushings are designated by size.  All red aftermarkets are 88a, all orange are 90a, etc.  However, all stock indy bushings regardless of color are 90a
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chillclinton87 on January 12, 2017, 01:03:36 PM
pretty stupid question i guess, but i better know: is there a difference between indy pivot cups and thunder pivot cups? my pivot cups just went really bad and i ordered some of the replacement kits that thunder offers, but i might as well get some indy pivot cups from a shop! i just ask if there is anything different in the geometry or something- thanks!!!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on January 12, 2017, 02:34:02 PM
Just in case anyone forgot (like I did), put plain uncoloured paraffin wax in your pivot cups, and at any other rubbing areas of your truck.

Nothing else quiets trucks down like p-wax. And it lasts.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 12, 2017, 05:11:53 PM
Quote from: chillclinton87 on January 12, 2017, 01:03:36 PM
pretty stupid question i guess, but i better know: is there a difference between indy pivot cups and thunder pivot cups? my pivot cups just went really bad and i ordered some of the replacement kits that thunder offers, but i might as well get some indy pivot cups from a shop! i just ask if there is anything different in the geometry or something- thanks!!!

Not that you could notice, both are hard and shitty plastic.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: micky682 on January 12, 2017, 06:36:04 PM
Quote from: Zimmer on January 12, 2017, 02:34:02 PM
Just in case anyone forgot (like I did), put plain uncoloured paraffin wax in your pivot cups, and at any other rubbing areas of your truck.

Nothing else quiets trucks down like p-wax. And it lasts.
Is skate wax made out of parrafin wax?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on January 12, 2017, 07:22:47 PM
Quote from: micky682 on January 12, 2017, 06:36:04 PM
Quote from: Zimmer on January 12, 2017, 02:34:02 PM
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Just in case anyone forgot (like I did), put plain uncoloured paraffin wax in your pivot cups, and at any other rubbing areas of your truck.

Nothing else quiets trucks down like p-wax. And it lasts.
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Is skate wax made out of parrafin wax?

Supposedly.. But I wouldn't trust most skate wax, using the pure stuff is always a safe bet. Who knows what the colouring and whatnot could do when left in your cups and such!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on January 12, 2017, 11:58:57 PM
Quote from: Zimmer on January 12, 2017, 02:34:02 PM
Just in case anyone forgot (like I did), put plain uncoloured paraffin wax in your pivot cups, and at any other rubbing areas of your truck.

Nothing else quiets trucks down like p-wax. And it lasts.
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Why do you want to quiet down your setup? Can't stand setup too quiet, feels like a toy to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chillclinton87 on January 13, 2017, 12:02:58 AM
Quote from: Xen on January 12, 2017, 05:11:53 PM
Quote from: chillclinton87 on January 12, 2017, 01:03:36 PM
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pretty stupid question i guess, but i better know: is there a difference between indy pivot cups and thunder pivot cups? my pivot cups just went really bad and i ordered some of the replacement kits that thunder offers, but i might as well get some indy pivot cups from a shop! i just ask if there is anything different in the geometry or something- thanks!!!
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Not that you could notice, both are hard and shitty plastic.
hahahahaahah thanks!!!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 13, 2017, 12:52:58 AM
Thinking of setting up a cruiser for the summer with a wider shaped deck and wider trucks. I've been on 149s since forever.

Been eyeing some decks and came across a Jason Jessee 8.9" one. I guess 159s would be better for that. Then again I rather like the new BA 9.25" too and I presume 169s would be better suited for that. Help me out here guys. Which size do you find more versatile for a cruiser and what width decks would be ok with the 159s and 169s? 149s on 8.25" work nicely for me, so I don't go super OCD about a few mm of overhang.  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 13, 2017, 04:25:57 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 12, 2017, 09:35:21 AM
Quote from: 20matar on January 12, 2017, 09:13:34 AM
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Are the colors of stock Indy bushings supposed to mean something? I bought a pair of 139mm low Stage 10s. They come with red bushings and I'll need to replace them. I plan on skating them until they smash, but still I'm curious about the best way to replace them. Are the reds supposed to be the softer ones? These are tiny little conical bushings. Never seen conical bushings on low trucks before.
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The colors of the aftermarket bushings are designated by size.  All red aftermarkets are 88a, all orange are 90a, etc.  However, all stock indy bushings regardless of color are 90a

Are you sure ? Ron Whaley back when you could post questions on the nhs website told me stock Indy bushings are always 88a
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 13, 2017, 06:48:47 AM
Quote from: Roisto on January 13, 2017, 12:52:58 AM
Thinking of setting up a cruiser for the summer with a wider shaped deck and wider trucks. I've been on 149s since forever.

Been eyeing some decks and came across a Jason Jessee 8.9" one. I guess 159s would be better for that. Then again I rather like the new BA 9.25" too and I presume 169s would be better suited for that. Help me out here guys. Which size do you find more versatile for a cruiser and what width decks would be ok with the 159s and 169s? 149s on 8.25" work nicely for me, so I don't go super OCD about a few mm of overhang.  ;D

I think 159's are more versatile for the majority of us.  Keep in mind that most shaped boards taper.  That 8.9 Jason Jessee board you're looking at is actually about 8.6 over the rear trucks.  Indy 169's are 9.125 so you'll be hot doggin on the rear.

Most people including BA seem to be skating 159's on his shape again because of the taper

As a general rule -

159s - 8.6 - 9
160s - 8.8+

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 13, 2017, 06:51:08 AM
Quote from: rob on January 13, 2017, 04:25:57 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 12, 2017, 09:35:21 AM
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Quote from: 20matar on January 12, 2017, 09:13:34 AM
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Are the colors of stock Indy bushings supposed to mean something? I bought a pair of 139mm low Stage 10s. They come with red bushings and I'll need to replace them. I plan on skating them until they smash, but still I'm curious about the best way to replace them. Are the reds supposed to be the softer ones? These are tiny little conical bushings. Never seen conical bushings on low trucks before.
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The colors of the aftermarket bushings are designated by size.  All red aftermarkets are 88a, all orange are 90a, etc.  However, all stock indy bushings regardless of color are 90a
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Stock stage 10's were 88, stock stage 11's are 90
Are you sure ? Ron Whaley back when you could post questions on the nhs website told me stock Indy bushings are always 88a
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 13, 2017, 09:49:20 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 13, 2017, 06:48:47 AM
Quote from: Roisto on January 13, 2017, 12:52:58 AM
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Thinking of setting up a cruiser for the summer with a wider shaped deck and wider trucks. I've been on 149s since forever.

Been eyeing some decks and came across a Jason Jessee 8.9" one. I guess 159s would be better for that. Then again I rather like the new BA 9.25" too and I presume 169s would be better suited for that. Help me out here guys. Which size do you find more versatile for a cruiser and what width decks would be ok with the 159s and 169s? 149s on 8.25" work nicely for me, so I don't go super OCD about a few mm of overhang.  ;D
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I think 159's are more versatile for the majority of us.  Keep in mind that most shaped boards taper.  That 8.9 Jason Jessee board you're looking at is actually about 8.6 over the rear trucks.  Indy 169's are 9.125 so you'll be hot doggin on the rear.

Most people including BA seem to be skating 159's on his shape again because of the taper

As a general rule -

159s - 8.6 - 9
160s - 8.8+



Thanks for the input man.

It's this deck
http://www.blacksheepstore.co.uk/santa-cruz-jason-jessee-mono-black-skateboard-deck-8-9.html (http://www.blacksheepstore.co.uk/santa-cruz-jason-jessee-mono-black-skateboard-deck-8-9.html)

Doesn't look like it tapers very much, but it's hard to say from such pics.

For some reason I'm having a real hard time with this as I don't know exactly what kind of a cruiser I'm gonna want to ride in the future. I have to say that I'm not feeling the 10" wide old school fish shapes at all, so maybe 159s would be a safer choice, but for some reason I feel like they might be too close to 149s and thus not be different enough. Something about the 169s tempt me I guess.  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 13, 2017, 09:55:29 AM
Quote from: rob on January 13, 2017, 04:25:57 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 12, 2017, 09:35:21 AM
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Quote from: 20matar on January 12, 2017, 09:13:34 AM
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Are the colors of stock Indy bushings supposed to mean something? I bought a pair of 139mm low Stage 10s. They come with red bushings and I'll need to replace them. I plan on skating them until they smash, but still I'm curious about the best way to replace them. Are the reds supposed to be the softer ones? These are tiny little conical bushings. Never seen conical bushings on low trucks before.
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The colors of the aftermarket bushings are designated by size.  All red aftermarkets are 88a, all orange are 90a, etc.  However, all stock indy bushings regardless of color are 90a
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Are you sure ? Ron Whaley back when you could post questions on the nhs website told me stock Indy bushings are always 88a
Ron Whaley was fucking with you....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 13, 2017, 10:07:37 AM
Quote from: Roisto on January 13, 2017, 09:49:20 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 13, 2017, 06:48:47 AM
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Quote from: Roisto on January 13, 2017, 12:52:58 AM
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Thinking of setting up a cruiser for the summer with a wider shaped deck and wider trucks. I've been on 149s since forever.

Been eyeing some decks and came across a Jason Jessee 8.9" one. I guess 159s would be better for that. Then again I rather like the new BA 9.25" too and I presume 169s would be better suited for that. Help me out here guys. Which size do you find more versatile for a cruiser and what width decks would be ok with the 159s and 169s? 149s on 8.25" work nicely for me, so I don't go super OCD about a few mm of overhang.  ;D
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I think 159's are more versatile for the majority of us.  Keep in mind that most shaped boards taper.  That 8.9 Jason Jessee board you're looking at is actually about 8.6 over the rear trucks.  Indy 169's are 9.125 so you'll be hot doggin on the rear.

Most people including BA seem to be skating 159's on his shape again because of the taper

As a general rule -

159s - 8.6 - 9
160s - 8.8+


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Thanks for the input man.

It's this deck
http://www.blacksheepstore.co.uk/santa-cruz-jason-jessee-mono-black-skateboard-deck-8-9.html (http://www.blacksheepstore.co.uk/santa-cruz-jason-jessee-mono-black-skateboard-deck-8-9.html)

Doesn't look like it tapers very much, but it's hard to say from such pics.

For some reason I'm having a real hard time with this as I don't know exactly what kind of a cruiser I'm gonna want to ride in the future. I have to say that I'm not feeling the 10" wide old school fish shapes at all, so maybe 159s would be a safer choice, but for some reason I feel like they might be too close to 149s and thus not be different enough. Something about the 169s tempt me I guess.  ;D

Here's how I estimate taper when buying a board online.  Where the red line is touching is the max width (8.9). 

Welcome to my world of insanity

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/295/31911380800_c9b79f30de_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QBUaJG)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 13, 2017, 10:15:36 AM
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Thinking of setting up a cruiser for the summer with a wider shaped deck and wider trucks. I've been on 149s since forever.

Been eyeing some decks and came across a Jason Jessee 8.9" one. I guess 159s would be better for that. Then again I rather like the new BA 9.25" too and I presume 169s would be better suited for that. Help me out here guys. Which size do you find more versatile for a cruiser and what width decks would be ok with the 159s and 169s? 149s on 8.25" work nicely for me, so I don't go super OCD about a few mm of overhang.  ;D
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I think 159's are more versatile for the majority of us.  Keep in mind that most shaped boards taper.  That 8.9 Jason Jessee board you're looking at is actually about 8.6 over the rear trucks.  Indy 169's are 9.125 so you'll be hot doggin on the rear.

Most people including BA seem to be skating 159's on his shape again because of the taper

As a general rule -

159s - 8.6 - 9
160s - 8.8+


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Thanks for the input man.

It's this deck
http://www.blacksheepstore.co.uk/santa-cruz-jason-jessee-mono-black-skateboard-deck-8-9.html (http://www.blacksheepstore.co.uk/santa-cruz-jason-jessee-mono-black-skateboard-deck-8-9.html)

Doesn't look like it tapers very much, but it's hard to say from such pics.

For some reason I'm having a real hard time with this as I don't know exactly what kind of a cruiser I'm gonna want to ride in the future. I have to say that I'm not feeling the 10" wide old school fish shapes at all, so maybe 159s would be a safer choice, but for some reason I feel like they might be too close to 149s and thus not be different enough. Something about the 169s tempt me I guess.  ;D
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Here's how I estimate taper when buying a board online.  Where the red line is touching is the max width (8.9). 

Welcome to my world of insanity

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/295/31911380800_c9b79f30de_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QBUaJG)

Well damn. Nice one, I like the way you're thinking! You could also put that in some image editing program and measure the exact width using the widest point as a reference (if the listed width is for the widest point that is).  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on January 13, 2017, 12:20:32 PM
There's a real difference between 149s and 159s, I got the 59s to build a cruiser. They ended being on my regular street setup! I love em.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 13, 2017, 11:19:57 PM
Quote from: Zimmer on January 13, 2017, 12:20:32 PM
There's a real difference between 149s and 159s, I got the 59s to build a cruiser. They ended being on my regular street setup! I love em.

Thank you. You have helped me ease my mind a bit about my decision.

Oh and BMCsteve. Your insanity inspired me to actually put the image of the deck in Pixelmator and measure the widths along the front and back trucks. Got 8,79" for the front and 8,63" on the back. Seems like the 159s would be a very nice match with this deck. I guess I gotta pull the trigger on this one then as I've been yapping about it so much on here already.  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 14, 2017, 06:56:18 PM
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There's a real difference between 149s and 159s, I got the 59s to build a cruiser. They ended being on my regular street setup! I love em.
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Thank you. You have helped me ease my mind a bit about my decision.

Oh and BMCsteve. Your insanity inspired me to actually put the image of the deck in Pixelmator and measure the widths along the front and back trucks. Got 8,79" for the front and 8,63" on the back. Seems like the 159s would be a very nice match with this deck. I guess I gotta pull the trigger on this one then as I've been yapping about it so much on here already.  ;D

Nice!  good call on the Pixelmator work.  post a pic of the setup once you get it together
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Doughboy on January 14, 2017, 08:24:38 PM
Hello fellow truck nerds. Now I know that I am kind of breaking thread etiquette by posting about a sale in this thread, but if any of you like old Indy stuff I don't think anyone will mind(I apologize if anyone is bothered by me posting this here)
I'm selling my collection of Indy stage 7 and stage 8 size 146 8.25's. I started a thread in the classifieds so go ahead and check that out any info and my ebay link is there.
Like I said I'm sorry if it is distasteful to post this here, but I've read on the forum many times people saying that they'd love to have some older stage Indy's. Well now is the chance. Thank you all very much for any interest.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on January 16, 2017, 09:05:14 AM
Anybody know when the Team Hollows will be available?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 16, 2017, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: VCR on January 16, 2017, 09:05:14 AM
Anybody know when the Team Hollows will be available?

They're out.  Socal and tactics have them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on January 16, 2017, 02:39:27 PM
Not going to buy from an online shop
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on January 16, 2017, 03:04:39 PM
Quote from: VCR on January 16, 2017, 02:39:27 PM
Not going to buy from an online shop
Then they are going to be out for you until your local shop stocks them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 16, 2017, 03:07:23 PM
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Then they are going to be out for you until your local shop stocks them.
Seriously, ask your shop then, holier than thou fuck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on January 16, 2017, 03:18:55 PM
you can get them on sale for $40 bucks on tactics if you are willing to sell your soul to the devil
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on January 16, 2017, 03:31:18 PM
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Then they are going to be out for you until your local shop stocks them.

Ill order from a legit shop that has a website
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on January 16, 2017, 03:38:11 PM
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Not going to buy from an online shop
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Then they are going to be out for you until your local shop stocks them.
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Ill order from a legit shop that has a website

But isn't a legit shops website (that sells things) technically an online shop?

Double jeopardy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 16, 2017, 03:42:22 PM
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Not going to buy from an online shop
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Then they are going to be out for you until your local shop stocks them.
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Ill order from a legit shop that has a website
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But isn't a legit shops website (that sells things) technically an online shop?

Double jeopardy

What is an online skate shop?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on January 16, 2017, 03:42:55 PM
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Not going to buy from an online shop
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Ill order from a legit shop that has a website
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But isn't a legit shops website (that sells things) technically an online shop?

Double jeopardy
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What is an online skate shop?

I don't know.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on January 16, 2017, 04:18:35 PM
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Not going to buy from an online shop
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Then they are going to be out for you until your local shop stocks them.
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Ill order from a legit shop that has a website
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But isn't a legit shops website (that sells things) technically an online shop?

Double jeopardy
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What is an online skate shop?
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I don't know.  :)

SoCal is a legit skateshop...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on January 16, 2017, 05:01:30 PM
This is so awkward.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on January 17, 2017, 09:15:01 AM
Quote from: Zimmer on January 16, 2017, 05:01:30 PM
This is so awkward.
It's only awkward if someone points it out. That's how it works, right?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 17, 2017, 10:55:21 AM
SoCal

SW

Tactics

Active (kind of)

Are all legit brick and mortar shops with huge online presence...hell I've driven to Socal (2hrs) just because of their selection and I'm in L.A. and can easily hit up my local (5min away), Vans (ugh), Active (great selection for a non-core shop and all everyone working there skates), Kayo, Primitive, Diamond, all local.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 17, 2017, 11:23:55 AM
Last I was passing by the Kayo store it's now k.o.

kinda bummed I didn't get the team hollows on sale when they were on whatever site had the sale

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on January 18, 2017, 05:49:26 AM
So I just found my complete old set of bones mediums. I've always ridden no bottom washer and loved it but haven't tried bones on stage 11s yet.

No bottom washer or yes because otherwise it'll fuck with the stage 11s geo?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on January 18, 2017, 07:37:54 AM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on January 18, 2017, 05:49:26 AM
So I just found my complete old set of bones mediums. I've always ridden no bottom washer and loved it but haven't tried bones on stage 11s yet.

No bottom washer or yes because otherwise it'll fuck with the stage 11s geo?

no bottom washer is fine on Stage 11s... but I gotta tell ya, Im a recent (within last year) convert to the aftermarket Indy bushings from years upon years of bones med, and the aftermarkets feel worlds better. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: micky682 on January 18, 2017, 07:59:51 AM
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So I just found my complete old set of bones mediums. I've always ridden no bottom washer and loved it but haven't tried bones on stage 11s yet.

No bottom washer or yes because otherwise it'll fuck with the stage 11s geo?
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no bottom washer is fine on Stage 11s... but I gotta tell ya, Im a recent (within last year) convert to the aftermarket Indy bushings from years upon years of bones med, and the aftermarkets feel worlds better. 
I bought a pair just as the cold weather started hitting and they are pretty good. I'm hoping once it goes above 60 fahrenheit they'll become even softer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on January 18, 2017, 09:13:20 AM
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So I just found my complete old set of bones mediums. I've always ridden no bottom washer and loved it but haven't tried bones on stage 11s yet.

No bottom washer or yes because otherwise it'll fuck with the stage 11s geo?
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no bottom washer is fine on Stage 11s... but I gotta tell ya, Im a recent (within last year) convert to the aftermarket Indy bushings from years upon years of bones med, and the aftermarkets feel worlds better. 
Really? On my last set of Indys they were pretty good but I've tried the Indy hard, medium, and every combo of the two and nothing felt quite right. Then when I put in the Bones it was like I was I came back home. It was exactly what I had been looking for.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on January 18, 2017, 07:00:49 PM
I put a set of Bones Mediums in my Thunder 149s, blew the tops out in one 2-1/2hr. session. They fell apart, second time its happened to me this year. I'm going back to stock Thunder clear yellow or white.

I found an old set of red 88a Indy bushings & they feel harder than the stock Thunder clear yellow 90a. Weird, but now I'm back to the stock Thunder parts.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on January 18, 2017, 10:46:05 PM
Quote from: NJFly318 on January 18, 2017, 07:00:49 PM
I put a set of Bones Mediums in my Thunder 149s, blew the tops out in one 2-1/2hr. session. They fell apart, second time its happened to me this year. I'm going back to stock Thunder clear yellow or white.

I found an old set of red 88a Indy bushings & they feel harder than the stock Thunder clear yellow 90a. Weird, but now I'm back to the stock Thunder parts.
Do you use a top washer? The last  Time I used bones was in a set of thunder 149's without a bottom washer and they still look brand-new other than being dirty.




Sanyway, I found that set of bones mediums and now I'm back on bones. It's like coming home after a long day at work.

I have no doubt that most people like Indys with Indy bushings way more but even loose the medium ones seemed to turn a bit more sloppy than I'd prefer.

I've always used only a top washer with bones but that leaves too much of the kingpin exposed for my liking with my current set of Indys. However with a bottom washer I can leave the nut flush and it's perfect. Looser than I've ever ridden before but the bones have a nice, quick rebound compared to my Indys and I've found it's a lot funner to ride looser trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 19, 2017, 01:57:04 AM
Truck enthusiasts, don't know if any of you have seen this but looks like Thunder is working on something for Ishod
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPGUy3GgasH/?taken-by=morfordmedia (https://www.instagram.com/p/BPGUy3GgasH/?taken-by=morfordmedia)

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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 19, 2017, 02:04:57 AM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on January 19, 2017, 01:57:04 AM
Truck enthusiasts, don't know if any of you have seen this but looks like Thunder is working on something for Ishod
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPGUy3GgasH/?taken-by=morfordmedia (https://www.instagram.com/p/BPGUy3GgasH/?taken-by=morfordmedia)

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Dang are they imprinting 147 on the wheel side like the 149ers now ?

Yeah I saw the exact same thing when I saw the clip of Frank's front board and kept pausing when he showed the trucks cause I thought is that a different baseplate or did he slide them like that??

It was really wigging me out and now we got confirmation my eyes weren't fooling me. I'm sure it's a new baseplate to help with nose and tail slides cause that one thread about thunders being good for nose and tail slides was a true thing, I noticed the wheels stick out more than the baseplate on thunders and it does make slides a little trickier to lock into

Who'd a thought
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on January 19, 2017, 03:58:20 AM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on January 18, 2017, 10:46:05 PM
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I put a set of Bones Mediums in my Thunder 149s, blew the tops out in one 2-1/2hr. session. They fell apart, second time its happened to me this year. I'm going back to stock Thunder clear yellow or white.

I found an old set of red 88a Indy bushings & they feel harder than the stock Thunder clear yellow 90a. Weird, but now I'm back to the stock Thunder parts.
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Do you use a top washer? The last  Time I used bones was in a set of thunder 149's without a bottom washer and they still look brand-new other than being dirty.


Yes, I had on the bottom washer and theBones flat top washer. The hey felt great until they were mushed out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 19, 2017, 07:01:06 AM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on January 19, 2017, 01:57:04 AM
Truck enthusiasts, don't know if any of you have seen this but looks like Thunder is working on something for Ishod
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPGUy3GgasH/?taken-by=morfordmedia (https://www.instagram.com/p/BPGUy3GgasH/?taken-by=morfordmedia)

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Someone should post this in the "are thunders good for tail slides?" thread.  Stoked to see they are doing that now
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on January 19, 2017, 07:40:34 AM
Quote from: rob on January 19, 2017, 02:04:57 AM
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Truck enthusiasts, don't know if any of you have seen this but looks like Thunder is working on something for Ishod
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPGUy3GgasH/?taken-by=morfordmedia (https://www.instagram.com/p/BPGUy3GgasH/?taken-by=morfordmedia)

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Dang are they imprinting 147 on the wheel side like the 149ers now ?

Yeah I saw the exact same thing when I saw the clip of Frank's front board and kept pausing when he showed the trucks cause I thought is that a different baseplate or did he slide them like that??

It was really wigging me out and now we got confirmation my eyes weren't fooling me. I'm sure it's a new baseplate to help with nose and tail slides cause that one thread about thunders being good for nose and tail slides was a true thing, I noticed the wheels stick out more than the baseplate on thunders and it does make slides a little trickier to lock into

Who'd a thought

would a new 147 be the same height as the 149ii?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shitdick22 on January 23, 2017, 09:40:03 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/uEzbZsx.jpg)
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They turn like a dream
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on January 23, 2017, 09:55:08 AM
^can't believe that, not the same geometry
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shitdick22 on January 23, 2017, 10:00:49 AM
Quote from: the snake on January 23, 2017, 09:55:08 AM
^can't believe that, not the same geometry

Turns way better than the thunder baseplate because the indy pivot cup is a little bigger and gives it more room to travel. It also makes the truck wobble a little even when it isn't super loose which makes it feel more responsive. Try it for yourself if you don't believe me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on January 23, 2017, 10:17:20 AM
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^can't believe that, not the same geometry
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Turns way better than the thunder baseplate because the indy pivot cup is a little bigger and gives it more room to travel. It also makes the truck wobble a little even when it isn't super loose which makes it feel more responsive. Try it for yourself if you don't believe me.
i don't want wobbling in my trucks, but to each his thing...
i frankesteined destructos and indys once, horrible in the 2 possibilities(hanger/embase)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: calvinsdream on January 23, 2017, 10:48:01 AM
So now that we're mixing trucks, when should we open the can of worms that is...

mixing the top/bottom bushing durometers?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on January 23, 2017, 11:15:12 AM
I have a set of theeve titanium kingpins I got years ago but never used. I wanna try them on my thunder titaniums but that hollow kingpin/forged baseplate combo is a bitch. Does putting the baseplate in the oven for 20 minutes on 500 really work? My main trucks are polished but I do have an extra set of forged base plates in blue I might experiment with if I don't have to worry about the paint in the oven
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on January 23, 2017, 11:31:13 AM
paint is going to create toxic smokes i think, harder than dog drugs
if by polished you mean raw, it will work, don't hesitate to put them back in the oven if it needs way too much hammer hits, and be careful, shit is hot !
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 23, 2017, 04:53:34 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on January 23, 2017, 11:15:12 AM
I have a set of theeve titanium kingpins I got years ago but never used. I wanna try them on my thunder titaniums but that hollow kingpin/forged baseplate combo is a bitch. Does putting the baseplate in the oven for 20 minutes on 500 really work? My main trucks are polished but I do have an extra set of forged base plates in blue I might experiment with if I don't have to worry about the paint in the oven

They won't fit (I've tried), the spines are different - they'd fit in standard cast plates.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on January 23, 2017, 05:35:37 PM
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I have a set of theeve titanium kingpins I got years ago but never used. I wanna try them on my thunder titaniums but that hollow kingpin/forged baseplate combo is a bitch. Does putting the baseplate in the oven for 20 minutes on 500 really work? My main trucks are polished but I do have an extra set of forged base plates in blue I might experiment with if I don't have to worry about the paint in the oven
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They won't fit (I've tried), the spines are different - they'd fit in standard cast plates.

Thanks for saving me the hassle (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/whew.png). I'll have to find some cast plates in the classifieds or ebay whenever I feel like experimenting
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 23, 2017, 06:14:31 PM
Quote from: calvinsdream on January 23, 2017, 10:48:01 AM
So now that we're mixing trucks, when should we open the can of worms that is...

mixing the top/bottom bushing durometers?

i've seen some guys run a bones soft/med combo. not sure if it was on here but it's already happening out there somewhere
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: danjtony on January 23, 2017, 08:50:40 PM
I have Thunder-Indy's set up on my cruiser board. Agree about the pivot cup. I took out the bottom washers too--nice and wobbly now.
The Indy baseplates make them a little higher too, which is nice. But I'm using risers, so it doesn't really matter anyway.

Pretty much just trying to salvage these Thunders that I bought a couple months ago. I went from kinda liking them, to hating them, to switching back to Indy Indy's, in just a few weeks. They're alright for cruising around though. Kind of like that quick, carvy response going down the sidewalk.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 24, 2017, 01:53:31 AM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on January 23, 2017, 06:14:31 PM
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So now that we're mixing trucks, when should we open the can of worms that is...

mixing the top/bottom bushing durometers?
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i've seen some guys run a bones soft/med combo. not sure if it was on here but it's already happening out there somewhere

aha ive been thinking about this but dont wanna try since i like my stuff equal and balanced(same tightness on front and back trucks and same bushing duros)

cause i heard, i dont remember from here or somewhere else, that the top bushing(smaller) is for stability and rebound while the bottom(bigger bushing) is for turn-ability/response ? so it would make some sort of sense to have say a medium top and a soft bottom for a nice responding truck i would say
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 24, 2017, 02:06:11 AM
I tried a whole bunch of combos on my Aces last summer:
Ace bushings
Krux bushings
Bones mediums
Bones hards

and I think almost if not all combos you can make with those. Ended up going with Ace bottom and Bones medium top. Very deep and easy turns and still stable. I absolutely love it. Best of both worlds. No wheelbite either. All other combos were wonky in one way or another.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: calvinsdream on January 24, 2017, 08:14:11 AM
Quote from: Roisto on January 24, 2017, 02:06:11 AM
I tried a whole bunch of combos on my Aces last summer:
Ace bushings
Krux bushings
Bones mediums
Bones hards

and I think almost if not all combos you can make with those. Ended up going with Ace bottom and Bones medium top. Very deep and easy turns and still stable. I absolutely love it. Best of both worlds. No wheelbite either. All other combos were wonky in one way or another.

Ohh. I might have to try that. Thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rathernotwalk on January 24, 2017, 03:36:48 PM
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So now that we're mixing trucks, when should we open the can of worms that is...

mixing the top/bottom bushing durometers?
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i've seen some guys run a bones soft/med combo. not sure if it was on here but it's already happening out there somewhere
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aha ive been thinking about this but dont wanna try since i like my stuff equal and balanced(same tightness on front and back trucks and same
bushing duros)

cause i heard, i dont remember from here or somewhere else, that the top bushing(smaller) is for stability and rebound while the bottom(bigger bushing) is for turn-ability/response ? so it would make some sort of sense to have say a medium top and a soft bottom for a nice responding truck i would say

I thought bones bushings were all one height. One of my setups is bones soft roadside and medium deck side on the front and back because even under my scrawny ass the bones soft will blow out super easy on the deck side.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 24, 2017, 04:16:13 PM
Thindy. Krace. Theeunder. Destruture. Indulwing. Vensor.

This thread has gone off the rails (pun intended)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on January 24, 2017, 09:03:02 PM
i believe in Thunducto low ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 24, 2017, 09:24:41 PM
I've seen youness amrani do venture baseplates with thunder hangars. I wonder how that works? A stiffer thunder ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Thomas on January 25, 2017, 05:01:52 AM
Quote from: calvinsdream on January 24, 2017, 08:14:11 AM
Quote from: Roisto on January 24, 2017, 02:06:11 AM
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I tried a whole bunch of combos on my Aces last summer:
Ace bushings
Krux bushings
Bones mediums
Bones hards

and I think almost if not all combos you can make with those. Ended up going with Ace bottom and Bones medium top. Very deep and easy turns and still stable. I absolutely love it. Best of both worlds. No wheelbite either. All other combos were wonky in one way or another.
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Ohh. I might have to try that. Thanks for the tip.

What was wrong with krux bushings ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 25, 2017, 06:12:18 AM
Quote from: Thomas on January 25, 2017, 05:01:52 AM
Quote from: calvinsdream on January 24, 2017, 08:14:11 AM
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Quote from: Roisto on January 24, 2017, 02:06:11 AM
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I tried a whole bunch of combos on my Aces last summer:
Ace bushings
Krux bushings
Bones mediums
Bones hards

and I think almost if not all combos you can make with those. Ended up going with Ace bottom and Bones medium top. Very deep and easy turns and still stable. I absolutely love it. Best of both worlds. No wheelbite either. All other combos were wonky in one way or another.
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Ohh. I might have to try that. Thanks for the tip.
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What was wrong with krux bushings ?

Unstable and too soft for my taste.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yungapplejuice on January 25, 2017, 09:39:27 AM
I'm a complete noob with bushings - only ever rode stock Indy's and never switched the bushings out . I'd like to try out some blue doh dohs (88a) - what kind of washers do I need for em (barrel / cylinder) ? My back truck bottom washer is bashed and curving up , almost cupping the bushing . Also , I read all over about probably having to shave one of the bushings down with the Indy/Dohdoh combo . Any insight/help would be greatly appreciated , wanted to cop the bushings and washers to complete my new setup this weekend .
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 25, 2017, 09:54:42 AM
Quote from: yungapplejuice on January 25, 2017, 09:39:27 AM
I'm a complete noob with bushings - only ever rode stock Indy's and never switched the bushings out . I'd like to try out some blue doh dohs (88a) - what kind of washers do I need for em (barrel / conical) ? My back truck bottom washer is bashed and curving up , almost cupping the bushing . Also , I read all over about probably having to shave one of the bushings down with the Indy/Dohdoh combo . Any insight/help would be greatly appreciated , wanted to cop the bushings and washers to complete my new setup this weekend .
I'm sure others will say the same, but here, washers included.
http://www.tactics.com/independent/genuine-standard-cylinder-cushions-2-truck-set/red-soft (http://www.tactics.com/independent/genuine-standard-cylinder-cushions-2-truck-set/red-soft)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yungapplejuice on January 25, 2017, 10:04:39 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 25, 2017, 09:54:42 AM
Quote from: yungapplejuice on January 25, 2017, 09:39:27 AM
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I'm a complete noob with bushings - only ever rode stock Indy's and never switched the bushings out . I'd like to try out some blue doh dohs (88a) - what kind of washers do I need for em (barrel / conical) ? My back truck bottom washer is bashed and curving up , almost cupping the bushing . Also , I read all over about probably having to shave one of the bushings down with the Indy/Dohdoh combo . Any insight/help would be greatly appreciated , wanted to cop the bushings and washers to complete my new setup this weekend .
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I'm sure others will say the same, but here, washers included.
http://www.tactics.com/independent/genuine-standard-cylinder-cushions-2-truck-set/red-soft (http://www.tactics.com/independent/genuine-standard-cylinder-cushions-2-truck-set/red-soft)

Ahhhh perfect dude thx so much , problem solved . I owe you 1
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on January 25, 2017, 10:45:45 AM
After filing down my kingpin working on smith grinds today, I've decided I want try those krux downlow kingpins with my Thunder Ti's. Did a google search and saw that Xen actually had a similar setup in the past, so for him and/or anyone else who's used them with thunders, do you have to use lower aftermarket bushings or were the stock ones fine with the lower kingpin? I'd rather not break in new bushings if I don't have to
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 25, 2017, 12:27:21 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on January 25, 2017, 10:45:45 AM
After filing down my kingpin working on smith grinds today, I've decided I want try those krux downlow kingpins with my Thunder Ti's. Did a google search and saw that Xen actually had a similar setup in the past, so for him and/or anyone else who's used them with thunders, do you have to use lower aftermarket bushings or were the stock ones fine with the lower kingpin? I'd rather not break in new bushings if I don't have to

word of advice, the krux kingpin will work with the cast Thunder plates but not the forged.  the cavity on the bottom isnt deep enough for the kingpin nut and it sticks out.  every so slightly but enough.  i learned this the hard way haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cleveridiot on January 25, 2017, 09:41:30 PM
Changed the busted bones bushings in my indys after over a year, put conical orange aftermarket indy bushings and minilogo pivot cups. i also sanded down the top bushing a little. they turn great but different from before.
so now my real question: how are riptide pivot cups in indys? do they also fit in thunders?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on January 25, 2017, 11:33:12 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 25, 2017, 12:27:21 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on January 25, 2017, 10:45:45 AM
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After filing down my kingpin working on smith grinds today, I've decided I want try those krux downlow kingpins with my Thunder Ti's. Did a google search and saw that Xen actually had a similar setup in the past, so for him and/or anyone else who's used them with thunders, do you have to use lower aftermarket bushings or were the stock ones fine with the lower kingpin? I'd rather not break in new bushings if I don't have to
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word of advice, the krux kingpin will work with the cast Thunder plates but not the forged.  the cavity on the bottom isnt deep enough for the kingpin nut and it sticks out.  every so slightly but enough.  i learned this the hard way haha

mmm, I had a similar problem when trying to install hex heads on some older venture baseplates. I just took a steel file to the edges and it ended up fitting after a few minutes of stoking. I'm sure there's a chance it would do with the nut. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Thomas on January 26, 2017, 02:33:11 AM
Quote from: Roisto on January 25, 2017, 06:12:18 AM
Quote from: Thomas on January 25, 2017, 05:01:52 AM
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Quote from: calvinsdream on January 24, 2017, 08:14:11 AM
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Quote from: Roisto on January 24, 2017, 02:06:11 AM
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I tried a whole bunch of combos on my Aces last summer:
Ace bushings
Krux bushings
Bones mediums
Bones hards

and I think almost if not all combos you can make with those. Ended up going with Ace bottom and Bones medium top. Very deep and easy turns and still stable. I absolutely love it. Best of both worlds. No wheelbite either. All other combos were wonky in one way or another.
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Ohh. I might have to try that. Thanks for the tip.
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What was wrong with krux bushings ?
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Unstable and too soft for my taste.

I was not comfortable with the wobble at first, but now I'm used to it and I find it very fun to skate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 26, 2017, 09:31:39 AM
Quote from: Thomas on January 26, 2017, 02:33:11 AM
Quote from: Roisto on January 25, 2017, 06:12:18 AM
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Quote from: Thomas on January 25, 2017, 05:01:52 AM
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Quote from: calvinsdream on January 24, 2017, 08:14:11 AM
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Quote from: Roisto on January 24, 2017, 02:06:11 AM
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I tried a whole bunch of combos on my Aces last summer:
Ace bushings
Krux bushings
Bones mediums
Bones hards

and I think almost if not all combos you can make with those. Ended up going with Ace bottom and Bones medium top. Very deep and easy turns and still stable. I absolutely love it. Best of both worlds. No wheelbite either. All other combos were wonky in one way or another.
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Ohh. I might have to try that. Thanks for the tip.
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What was wrong with krux bushings ?
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Unstable and too soft for my taste.
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I was not comfortable with the wobble at first, but now I'm used to it and I find it very fun to skate.

I've never found wobble attractive myself. Also I suck so bad that I want to avoid wheelbite the best I can and with the Krux bushings I'd get wheelbite too easily. It just wasn't what I'm into at all. I know having trucks as loose as possible is something many ppl aim for, but not me. I like stability, but still getting a proper deep turn when I want and avoiding wheelbite. For that the Ace 44s with Ace bottom and Bones medium top bushings seem like the best solution for me. Almost as stable as Indy 149s with Bones hards, much better turn and no wheelbite, which was still a constant issue with the Indys if I landed wrong enough (which I seems to do a lot  ;))

But like I've said before. To each their own. Also I'm somewhat tall and not exactly light. I can't rock soft bushings. I need something beefier.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 26, 2017, 04:34:23 PM
you guys are crazy mixing baseplates n' shit
thanks to whoever (rob I think) told me just to skate stock thunders so I don't have to deal with all this bullshit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on January 26, 2017, 05:01:23 PM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on January 26, 2017, 04:34:23 PM
you guys are crazy mixing baseplates n' shit
thanks to whoever (rob I think) told me just to skate stock thunders so I don't have to deal with all this bullshit

Stock thunders really are great. I just wish they'd address the axle slip issue, and produce the 147 lows again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 26, 2017, 10:36:36 PM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on January 26, 2017, 04:34:23 PM
you guys are crazy mixing baseplates n' shit
thanks to whoever (rob I think) told me just to skate stock thunders so I don't have to deal with all this bullshit

thanks man  ;) :D ;D

yeah stock thunders are boss, theyre just the right formula for street and most other kinds of skating, they turn but just enough that you dont lose control and still get really good rebound and pop response with return to center.

truthfully too the yellows are fine, if you want a smoother feeling turn i think the white ones are better but overall the yellow translucent are still really good. i kinda prefer the yellows just cause they feel like they rebound better even though the white is softer feeling.

back during the indy stage 10 days too i noticed i could only(yes it sounds kooky but true) get my tre flips and tricks clean when i threw some thunder bushings in the indys, maybe the stock stage 10 bushings were trash but honestly i back the thunder 90a bushings being the best(yes better than aftermarket indys that everyone loves)

and i only rode the stage 10ś cause i saw alot of indy ads and noticed so many cool pros backing them so i gave it a whirl but nothing gave me my highlight tricks of my life like thunder 147 hi

one of the best tricks ive ever did/felt /ollie up kickflip down i did off a curb was on a deluxe setup(real, thunder, spitfire) but i say it was the thunders that did it for me cause trucks are the soul of your board like they said in the vans truck wars video, theyre your personality, everyones truck set up is like roisto said. to each their own. thats why im so kooky about trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MOE SYZLAK on January 29, 2017, 01:10:09 AM
Anyone know if standard indy kingpins will fit aces?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 29, 2017, 01:53:20 AM
Quote from: MOE SYZLAK on January 29, 2017, 01:10:09 AM
Anyone know if standard indy kingpins will fit aces?


The grooves are different, so most likely not without considerable violence. I was planning on replacing my wobbly Ace kingpins with Indy kingpins. As Ace kingpins are really hard to come by in Europe, I figured a kingpin is a kingpin and an Indy kingpin would fit just fine. The kingpins looked so different that I decided to just hammer the old ones back in after covering the insides of the hole with a bunch epoxy. I did this last summer to two pairs of Aces. Skated the other pair in my cruiser and so far it's been working out nicely.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bluntstofakie on January 29, 2017, 07:05:06 AM
Quote from: Roisto on January 29, 2017, 01:53:20 AM
The grooves are different, so most likely not without considerable violence. I was planning on replacing my wobbly Ace kingpins with Indy kingpins. As Ace kingpins are really hard to come by in Europe, I figured a kingpin is a kingpin and an Indy kingpin would fit just fine. The kingpins looked so different that I decided to just hammer the old ones back in after covering the insides of the hole with a bunch epoxy. I did this last summer to two pairs of Aces. Skated the other pair in my cruiser and so far it's been working out nicely.
I'm gonna try that shit. I assume the wobbly pins are pretty easy to hammer out right?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 29, 2017, 07:27:27 AM
Quote from: bluntstofakie on January 29, 2017, 07:05:06 AM
Quote from: Roisto on January 29, 2017, 01:53:20 AM
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The grooves are different, so most likely not without considerable violence. I was planning on replacing my wobbly Ace kingpins with Indy kingpins. As Ace kingpins are really hard to come by in Europe, I figured a kingpin is a kingpin and an Indy kingpin would fit just fine. The kingpins looked so different that I decided to just hammer the old ones back in after covering the insides of the hole with a bunch epoxy. I did this last summer to two pairs of Aces. Skated the other pair in my cruiser and so far it's been working out nicely.
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I'm gonna try that shit. I assume the wobbly pins are pretty easy to hammer out right?

Yeah. Just remember to keep the nut on the kingpin, so you don't fuck up the threads. When hammering the kingpin back in, I used a bolt about the same diameter as the base of the kingpin to get the kingpin properly hammered in. Also keep in mind that you're going to need something that'll support the baseplate but lets the kingpin through while doing all the hammering. I used one of these things:
(http://static1.motonet.fi/img/8/801108/500/801108.jpg)
Not sure what they're called in english. And when hammering the kingpin back on, be sure to support it on the base of the kingpin and not on the sides of the baseplates, so your baseplates won't crack or bend. All in all a pretty straightforward job. Just gotta keep a few things in mind.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MaitlandPrivado on January 29, 2017, 07:30:40 AM
That's a bench vise.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: carbonite on January 29, 2017, 07:47:11 AM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on January 23, 2017, 06:14:31 PM
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So now that we're mixing trucks, when should we open the can of worms that is...

mixing the top/bottom bushing durometers?
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i've seen some guys run a bones soft/med combo. not sure if it was on here but it's already happening out there somewhere

currently running bones hard top/med bottom

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/670/31778439013_cf06982469_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Qq9NLV)

had been running med hard indy aftermarkets...weren't turning right; maybe because of cold weather. this feels pretty good so far; might try straight up hards or med. indy aftermarkets.

Is there any difference between stock Stage 11 bushings and med. (orange) aftermarkets?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 29, 2017, 08:27:02 AM
Just when I thought I had my truck stuff under control, I stole the Ace 44's off my wife's board and put them on an 8.38 Polar and fell in love with them all over again.

It took me about 30 minutes to get past the mental block that they're heavy as hell and then I had my best session of 2017
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on January 29, 2017, 10:28:31 AM
Are they really that heavy?

It seems like the hanger is so trimmed down that weight really wouldn't be an issue.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on January 29, 2017, 12:35:38 PM
Quote from: VCR on January 29, 2017, 10:28:31 AM
Are they really that heavy?

It seems like the hanger is so trimmed down that weight really wouldn't be an issue.

They feel the same as standard Indy 149's (they're technically a little heavier IIRC) to me. So if you're used to those I doubt you'd have any problems.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on January 29, 2017, 12:46:24 PM
It's weird if it is actual fact that Ace's are heavier than Indy. One of the reason I never felt I could ride Indy's was the weight, and overall sluggish feel I get from them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on January 29, 2017, 12:51:10 PM
Quote from: GOATMOON on January 29, 2017, 12:35:38 PM
Quote from: VCR on January 29, 2017, 10:28:31 AM
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Are they really that heavy?

It seems like the hanger is so trimmed down that weight really wouldn't be an issue.
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They feel the same as standard Indy 149's (they're technically a little heavier IIRC) to me. So if you're used to those I doubt you'd have any problems.

What the fuck, are you guys talking about the ace 44's? I don't know the weight in grams, but I think the Aces feel really light but sturdy.. And easier to "throw around" than most other lights style trucks even. Maybe it's the shaven hanger playing mindtricks but I think they're perfect weight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 29, 2017, 01:04:03 PM
Quote from: Deekay on January 29, 2017, 12:51:10 PM
Quote from: GOATMOON on January 29, 2017, 12:35:38 PM
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Quote from: VCR on January 29, 2017, 10:28:31 AM
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Are they really that heavy?

It seems like the hanger is so trimmed down that weight really wouldn't be an issue.
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They feel the same as standard Indy 149's (they're technically a little heavier IIRC) to me. So if you're used to those I doubt you'd have any problems.
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What the fuck, are you guys talking about the ace 44's? I don't know the weight in grams, but I think the Aces feel really light but sturdy.. And easier to "throw around" than most other lights style trucks even. Maybe it's the shaven hanger playing mindtricks but I think they're perfect weight.


Indy 149 Standards are 394g.  Ace 44 which are technically a smaller truck are 392g.  They're the heaviest truck for their size.

Coming from Skating Indy Ti 149 (338g) and Thunder Ti 149 (311g) you do notice the weight difference
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on January 30, 2017, 12:21:32 AM
Quote from: Roisto on January 29, 2017, 07:27:27 AM
Quote from: bluntstofakie on January 29, 2017, 07:05:06 AM
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The grooves are different, so most likely not without considerable violence. I was planning on replacing my wobbly Ace kingpins with Indy kingpins. As Ace kingpins are really hard to come by in Europe, I figured a kingpin is a kingpin and an Indy kingpin would fit just fine. The kingpins looked so different that I decided to just hammer the old ones back in after covering the insides of the hole with a bunch epoxy. I did this last summer to two pairs of Aces. Skated the other pair in my cruiser and so far it's been working out nicely.
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I'm gonna try that shit. I assume the wobbly pins are pretty easy to hammer out right?
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Yeah. Just remember to keep the nut on the kingpin, so you don't fuck up the threads. When hammering the kingpin back in, I used a bolt about the same diameter as the base of the kingpin to get the kingpin properly hammered in. Also keep in mind that you're going to need something that'll support the baseplate but lets the kingpin through while doing all the hammering. I used one of these things:
(http://static1.motonet.fi/img/8/801108/500/801108.jpg)
Not sure what they're called in english. And when hammering the kingpin back on, be sure to support it on the base of the kingpin and not on the sides of the baseplates, so your baseplates won't crack or bend. All in all a pretty straightforward job. Just gotta keep a few things in mind.
A Finnish manhole cover is perfect for hammering indy kingpins in/out, holes are just perfect size, not sure about other trucks....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 30, 2017, 09:09:55 AM
This thread is now crazy.

Here's the truth about finding the perfect set of trucks:

Purchase a set of trucks you're ok with and Ride them.
Ride them, grind them, ride them.
They get better with age.
They are at their optimum and lightest just before they die.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 30, 2017, 09:32:41 AM
Quote from: N.L. on January 30, 2017, 09:09:55 AM
This thread is now crazy.

Here's the truth about finding the perfect set of trucks:

Purchase a set of trucks you're ok with and Ride them.
Ride them, grind them, ride them.
They get better with age.
They are at their optimum and lightest just before they die.

This is 100% correct.  One more suggestion - if you want to be happy with your trucks, stay the hell out of this thread
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 30, 2017, 12:06:39 PM
ACEs are heavy, no doubt ;)

Riding some TIh 8.18" on an 8.38 (has a nice taper so all good) and some broken in bones meds (bot) soft (tops).

As easy to carve as ace but nice and light and snappier to center for better stability. no problems grinding anything yet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dima on January 30, 2017, 12:49:17 PM
anyone have any updates on the indy 144s?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bluntstofakie on January 30, 2017, 04:19:28 PM
Quote from: Roisto on January 29, 2017, 01:53:20 AM
Yeah. Just remember to keep the nut on the kingpin, so you don't fuck up the threads. When hammering the kingpin back in, I used a bolt about the same diameter as the base of the kingpin to get the kingpin properly hammered in. Also keep in mind that you're going to need something that'll support the baseplate but lets the kingpin through while doing all the hammering. I used one of these things:
(http://static1.motonet.fi/img/8/801108/500/801108.jpg)
Not sure what they're called in english. And when hammering the kingpin back on, be sure to support it on the base of the kingpin and not on the sides of the baseplates, so your baseplates won't crack or bend. All in all a pretty straightforward job. Just gotta keep a few things in mind.
Thanks for the info man. I went ahead and hammered the pins out today. They came out way easier than expected. Now I'm thinking about krux kingpins. the splines are the same right? Also what's the best shit to use when reinstalling the kingpin? jb weld? gorilla glue? epoxy?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 30, 2017, 06:57:48 PM
Quote from: bluntstofakie on January 30, 2017, 04:19:28 PM
Quote from: Roisto on January 29, 2017, 01:53:20 AM
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Yeah. Just remember to keep the nut on the kingpin, so you don't fuck up the threads. When hammering the kingpin back in, I used a bolt about the same diameter as the base of the kingpin to get the kingpin properly hammered in. Also keep in mind that you're going to need something that'll support the baseplate but lets the kingpin through while doing all the hammering. I used one of these things:
(http://static1.motonet.fi/img/8/801108/500/801108.jpg)
Not sure what they're called in english. And when hammering the kingpin back on, be sure to support it on the base of the kingpin and not on the sides of the baseplates, so your baseplates won't crack or bend. All in all a pretty straightforward job. Just gotta keep a few things in mind.
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Thanks for the info man. I went ahead and hammered the pins out today. They came out way easier than expected. Now I'm thinking about krux kingpins. the splines are the same right? Also what's the best shit to use when reinstalling the kingpin? jb weld? gorilla glue? epoxy?

Krux pins don't have any splines, so you are are all good. I use the JB weld Steel stick or whatever, cut off a bit, roll it around, squish it in there. boom.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 30, 2017, 11:36:08 PM
Quote from: bluntstofakie on January 30, 2017, 04:19:28 PM
Quote from: Roisto on January 29, 2017, 01:53:20 AM
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Yeah. Just remember to keep the nut on the kingpin, so you don't fuck up the threads. When hammering the kingpin back in, I used a bolt about the same diameter as the base of the kingpin to get the kingpin properly hammered in. Also keep in mind that you're going to need something that'll support the baseplate but lets the kingpin through while doing all the hammering. I used one of these things:
(http://static1.motonet.fi/img/8/801108/500/801108.jpg)
Not sure what they're called in english. And when hammering the kingpin back on, be sure to support it on the base of the kingpin and not on the sides of the baseplates, so your baseplates won't crack or bend. All in all a pretty straightforward job. Just gotta keep a few things in mind.
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Thanks for the info man. I went ahead and hammered the pins out today. They came out way easier than expected. Now I'm thinking about krux kingpins. the splines are the same right? Also what's the best shit to use when reinstalling the kingpin? jb weld? gorilla glue? epoxy?

No problem. About the epoxy, I dunno. We don't have JB Weld widely available here in Finland. I just used some "steel epoxy" from this cheap ass hardware store.
http://www.biltema.fi/fi/Rakentaminen/Kemikaalit/Epoksiliima/Teras-Epoksi-2000035421/ (http://www.biltema.fi/fi/Rakentaminen/Kemikaalit/Epoksiliima/Teras-Epoksi-2000035421/)

It's more runny than those sticks you rub that Xen suggested for sure. I think it's easier to spread around there. Dunno if it makes any difference in the end though as long as you get it all good in there.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 01, 2017, 01:15:22 PM
One thing about the krux pins I've not seen mentioned is that you can only really go a bit past flush when you tighten them lest you start digging into the bottom of the deck; keep that in mind if you ride tight and like to crank the nut down vs riding harder duro bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on February 01, 2017, 03:42:52 PM
Threw my Thunder 149 Ti's on a cast baseplate with a krux downlow kingpin today. Can't wait to work on smiths & feebles tomorrow! I was using lucky risers with the forged ones to make up for the lower height, but I'm gonna try them with the taller cast plates for now to see if it helps with wheel bite

(http://rs1346.pbsrc.com/albums/p690/WillEasley309/IMG_4232_zpsalf23uzf.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bluntstofakie on February 02, 2017, 12:26:52 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on February 01, 2017, 03:42:52 PM
Threw my Thunder 149 Ti's on a cast baseplate with a krux downlow kingpin today. Can't wait to work on smiths & feebles tomorrow! I was using lucky risers with the forged ones to make up for the lower height, but I'm gonna try them with the taller cast plates for now to see if it helps with wheel bite

(http://rs1346.pbsrc.com/albums/p690/WillEasley309/IMG_4232_zpsalf23uzf.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip)

Damn, that looks like a sick combo sk8dood. Let us know how you make out with your smiths and feebles.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on February 02, 2017, 04:24:38 PM
you liking them lucky's?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on February 03, 2017, 02:00:02 PM
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Threw my Thunder 149 Ti's on a cast baseplate with a krux downlow kingpin today. Can't wait to work on smiths & feebles tomorrow! I was using lucky risers with the forged ones to make up for the lower height, but I'm gonna try them with the taller cast plates for now to see if it helps with wheel bite

(http://rs1346.pbsrc.com/albums/p690/WillEasley309/IMG_4232_zpsalf23uzf.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip)

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Damn, that looks like a sick combo sk8dood. Let us know how you make out with your smiths and feebles.

Really digging the downlow kingpins so far! They're a lot more forgiving on smith/feebles if you dip them down too far where standard kingpins would immediately snag.

Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on February 02, 2017, 04:24:38 PM
you liking them lucky's?
Yeah they were a perfect match with the forged Baseplates but they make the trucks a just a little too tall with the cast ones. Gonna set them up on my girls cruiser tho (she actually uses it)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on February 03, 2017, 03:10:12 PM
hey i know this is unrelated but for anyone interested i found out why royals are good and bad, the pros and cons to my second favorite trucks or third. in the top 3 forsure though

so i was feeling wild and put together a project setup where i just throw whatever im curious about to why i threw them to the side kind of setup and put my royals on a classic deluxe with my bones stf and heres the results

Royal trucks standards

Pros:
-good decent turns, wide and somewhat carvy. a little faster than indys.
-fast on the pop like carroll wanted them to be designed so theyre almost as responsive as thunders
-grinds smooth
-light
-good height, im very sure the same height as thunder 147 hi
-shortens wheelbase(for people like me, carroll and guy who want a faster pop and flip)

Cons:
-must replace pivot cups, they start acting up and make the truck looser than they really are when the session gets going
-kingpin clearance is barely there so if your interested in a set of royal standards i suggest the new inverted kingpin ones
-for some reason the axle to hangar length ratio is off, so even if you use the usual axle washers on each side of the bearings for the wheels theres gonna be about 2-3 threads exposed when tightening the axle nut for minimal wheel wiggle. so primos=definite mashed axles

so theres an updated feedback from me on the royal standards(not the fours or any older model, the now square baseplate ones)

also went on to test my mini logo trucks again and all i gotta say is they are good decent trucks for pp trucks, but i would suggest if you ride 8 and up decks the 8.38 size ones are best cause the 8 ones dont have as good turning response and radius(yes i know that could be because of how wide they are obviously but just fyi)

they turn decent, respond very well, are light, and grind good. its just...theyre mini logo trucks haha so everyones gonna pick on you but hey for someone who wants a truck for 8.25-8.5 decks with good response and lower more in control feel (lower center of gravity feel pop and good flip trick control) mini logo trucks arent a bad choice. cause i mean how many 8.25 and up size  LOW trucks are there that are

feeling my theeves again and thinking of being a kook to ride them over my #1 truck choice thunders...cause i skate to work and everywhere alot and thunders are awesome...but i kinda want something more zig zagger feeling like indy but lower...

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on February 04, 2017, 04:52:24 AM
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ACEs are heavy, no doubt ;)

Riding some TIh 8.18" on an 8.38 (has a nice taper so all good) and some broken in bones meds (bot) soft (tops).

As easy to carve as ace but nice and light and snappier to center for better stability. no problems grinding anything yet.
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i want a set of tih's so badly for over $150 I just can't do it.

Same here, they would be awesome trucks, so light and responsive. And the way theeves turn what a combo

Too bad they're $150 like you said, that's a bit much but seems like a good investment if you really dig theeves
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on February 04, 2017, 04:12:13 PM
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ACEs are heavy, no doubt ;)

Riding some TIh 8.18" on an 8.38 (has a nice taper so all good) and some broken in bones meds (bot) soft (tops).

As easy to carve as ace but nice and light and snappier to center for better stability. no problems grinding anything yet.
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i want a set of tih's so badly for over $150 I just can't do it.
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Same here, they would be awesome trucks, so light and responsive. And the way theeves turn what a combo

Too bad they're $150 like you said, that's a bit much but seems like a good investment if you really dig theeves[\b]

I haven't had a set of theeves since the v1's when they looked like Ace/Thunder and they Made the bottom bones look like a pancake in like 3 weeks.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on February 04, 2017, 05:56:48 PM
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ACEs are heavy, no doubt ;)

Riding some TIh 8.18" on an 8.38 (has a nice taper so all good) and some broken in bones meds (bot) soft (tops).

As easy to carve as ace but nice and light and snappier to center for better stability. no problems grinding anything yet.
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i want a set of tih's so badly for over $150 I just can't do it.
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Same here, they would be awesome trucks, so light and responsive. And the way theeves turn what a combo

Too bad they're $150 like you said, that's a bit much but seems like a good investment if you really dig theeves[\b]
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I haven't had a set of theeves since the v1's when they looked like Ace/Thunder and they Made the bottom bones look like a pancake in like 3 weeks.




I wish they kept that design but the new v3 shape is still nice. I got on the theeve train when they had all those commercials with Garrett hill and his Nollie grinds and Jordan hoffart with his tiax trucks

I was really bought on their whole "titanium truck" gig and they were good trucks but flaws slowly got me off them but the v3's are actually "probably the best truck" cause that true turn, idk what it is but that true turn feel is nice, it adds an edge of good response rather falling to good turn but bad stability turning into bad response

But that's just me

Like NL said , ride what you like, get use to it and hit that sweet spot when it becomes your truck and you'll just love skating. I'm trying to figure out if I like thunder, theeve or royals.

Thunders are good and reliable, theeves are so cool, but I feel my personality and style is royals...

Man I'm lame

And knowing Jerry Hsu is on Royal doing my favorite trick I can do(front foot impossible) makes me lean more towards royals so I can be just like Jerry like I always wanted to
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 05, 2017, 12:22:27 AM
Didn't think Jerry regularly rode royals or did front foot impossibles......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 05, 2017, 11:51:01 AM
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ACEs are heavy, no doubt ;)

Riding some TIh 8.18" on an 8.38 (has a nice taper so all good) and some broken in bones meds (bot) soft (tops).

As easy to carve as ace but nice and light and snappier to center for better stability. no problems grinding anything yet.
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i want a set of tih's so badly for over $150 I just can't do it.
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Same here, they would be awesome trucks, so light and responsive. And the way theeves turn what a combo

Too bad they're $150 like you said, that's a bit much but seems like a good investment if you really dig theeves[\b]
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I haven't had a set of theeves since the v1's when they looked like Ace/Thunder and they Made the bottom bones look like a pancake in like 3 weeks.




I rode V1/V2 and never had bones bushing blowout.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on February 05, 2017, 01:17:30 PM
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ACEs are heavy, no doubt ;)

Riding some TIh 8.18" on an 8.38 (has a nice taper so all good) and some broken in bones meds (bot) soft (tops).

As easy to carve as ace but nice and light and snappier to center for better stability. no problems grinding anything yet.
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i want a set of tih's so badly for over $150 I just can't do it.
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Same here, they would be awesome trucks, so light and responsive. And the way theeves turn what a combo

Too bad they're $150 like you said, that's a bit much but seems like a good investment if you really dig theeves[\b]
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I haven't had a set of theeves since the v1's when they looked like Ace/Thunder and they Made the bottom bones look like a pancake in like 3 weeks.



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I rode V1/V2 and never had bones bushing blowout.

I really liked my theeve V2's up until I started getting that bottom bushing buldge (in 2 different sets of bushings) which didn't really bother me at first but the aesthetic was throwing me off after a while and at the time I was really into trying different trucks so I eventually strayed, but I'd love to skate some V3's. I want to grind my thunders down to the axel first but I'll probably pick up some tikings for my next set of trucks. I would've tried the TiHangers by now but that price tag and reports of it not grinding as well on angle iron have kept me from doing so. Theeve is legit tho. Only other truck company I'd skate outside of the big 3
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on February 06, 2017, 11:39:27 AM
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ACEs are heavy, no doubt ;)

Riding some TIh 8.18" on an 8.38 (has a nice taper so all good) and some broken in bones meds (bot) soft (tops).

As easy to carve as ace but nice and light and snappier to center for better stability. no problems grinding anything yet.
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i want a set of tih's so badly for over $150 I just can't do it.
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Same here, they would be awesome trucks, so light and responsive. And the way theeves turn what a combo

Too bad they're $150 like you said, that's a bit much but seems like a good investment if you really dig theeves[\b]
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I haven't had a set of theeves since the v1's when they looked like Ace/Thunder and they Made the bottom bones look like a pancake in like 3 weeks.



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How are the v3's compared to Indys?
I rode V1/V2 and never had bones bushing blowout.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on February 08, 2017, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on February 06, 2017, 11:39:27 AM
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ACEs are heavy, no doubt ;)

Riding some TIh 8.18" on an 8.38 (has a nice taper so all good) and some broken in bones meds (bot) soft (tops).

As easy to carve as ace but nice and light and snappier to center for better stability. no problems grinding anything yet.
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i want a set of tih's so badly for over $150 I just can't do it.
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Same here, they would be awesome trucks, so light and responsive. And the way theeves turn what a combo

Too bad they're $150 like you said, that's a bit much but seems like a good investment if you really dig theeves[\b]
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I haven't had a set of theeves since the v1's when they looked like Ace/Thunder and they Made the bottom bones look like a pancake in like 3 weeks.



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How are the v3's compared to Indys?
I rode V1/V2 and never had bones bushing blowout.
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since no one is answering and i have an update to my kookness

theeve v3 compared to indys i cant really use analogy or whatever but this is what im getting

theeve v3 turn precisely, its like if thunders were less tight ish and turned deep and sharp is how i would say the feeling is. they respond well and turn how you want when you want right away

indys turn smoother and deep and carve nice but response is kinda slow, slow but smooth. response is eh, its a very board feel kind of response. like if your being lazy so is your response on the trucks.

im actually back on the thunders cause the theeves were fun and nice but too sharp for me to handle, i needed my super stable but responsive thunders. also my tre flips feel better on thunders cause idk what it is but the geometry makes them flip more controlled and under me rather than like out and away(had tre flips like this with theeve and indys).

i wanna see those indy mids so bad, i really hope theyre really responsive like thunders but with an indy feel. that would be cool.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on February 08, 2017, 12:36:30 AM
^What are those mid indys you keep talking about, like forged hollows or even more low?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on February 08, 2017, 01:07:14 AM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  link=topic=88869.msg2607020#msg2607020 date=1486542990
^What are those mid indys you keep talking about, like forged hollows or even more low?

They're supposed to be I think ace height/ thunder 149 height/ forged hollow stage 11 standard height but standard cast not forged

it'll be the height of the old stage 10 standard but the turning and feel of a regular high stage 11 Indy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on February 08, 2017, 02:12:27 AM
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^What are those mid indys you keep talking about, like forged hollows or even more low?
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They're supposed to be I think ace height/ thunder 149 height/ forged hollow stage 11 standard height but standard cast not forged

it'll be the height of the old stage 10 standard but the turning and feel of a regular high stage 11 Indy
Sounds good to me, even tho i didn't notice that much difference when changing from stage10 -> 11's. When these are coming out?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: assholo on February 08, 2017, 04:26:32 AM
Got some Thunder team trucks. I kept the bottom bushings on, took off the washers. Top bushings off an old set, which are soft - washer on the front truck only. Habing that said, the back front truck is pretty loose; it wiggles freely just a bit. The back truck is a few turns tighter, but still loose. It's really sensitive; I get into turns quick with the front truck, and keep the carve stable with the back. So much fun to cruise and get speeds just out of zigzagging. Never really got to other trucks, but Thunders always did the job.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: McJagger on February 08, 2017, 09:00:19 PM
Does anyone know where I can still get a set of Venture 5.5s?  I love the feel of Ventures, and am too much in my head about 8.25 trucks, but I can't find them anywhere.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sedition on February 08, 2017, 11:31:32 PM
For people asking:

Standard Indys are 55mm.
Low Indys are 48.5mm
The hollows are a "mid" height at 53.5mm

Back to an issue addressed in the first few pages of this thread; Thunder Trucks and Bones Bushing. I've been riding Indy Hollow 149 Mid height 53.5 with black (hard) Bones bushing for a looong time. I recently decided to try Thunders, and tonight I set up a pair of 147 Hollow Lights  (w/black Bones bushing). They height difference between Indys and Thunders had a big impact on the bushings. When I got the trucks tightened to how I normally like them, the nylon on the kingpin nut (which is what holds in place) was not fully down onto the kingpin threads. As a result, the nut kept coming loose. Eventually I cranked the nut down enough so it would stay on my kingpin. Now the problem was that my trucks were too tight. I'm going to try either a soft Bones bushing (e.g. so i can get nut on all the way), or sand down the black Bones bushings. 

   

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 09, 2017, 12:36:58 AM
Quote from: Sedition on February 08, 2017, 11:31:32 PM
For people asking:

Standard Indys are 55mm.
Low Indys are 48.5mm
The hollows are a "mid" height at 53.5mm

Back to an issue addressed in the first few pages of this thread; Thunder Trucks and Bones Bushing. I've been riding Indy Hollow 149 Mid height 53.5 with black (hard) Bones bushing for a looong time. I recently decided to try Thunders, and tonight I set up a pair of 147 Hollow Lights  (w/black Bones bushing). They height difference between Indys and Thunders had a big impact on the bushings. When I got the trucks tightened to how I normally like them, the nylon on the kingpin nut (which is what holds in place) was not fully down onto the kingpin threads. As a result, the nut kept coming loose. Eventually I cranked the nut down enough so it would stay on my kingpin. Now the problem was that my trucks were too tight. I'm going to try either a soft Bones bushing (e.g. so i can get nut on all the way), or sand down the black Bones bushings. 

   



hard bottom, soft top.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sedition on February 09, 2017, 01:33:17 AM
^ I was toying with idea that, too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on February 12, 2017, 03:14:28 PM
has anyone tried indy bushings in ace trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 13, 2017, 09:08:47 AM
Quote from: DaveFuck on February 12, 2017, 03:14:28 PM
has anyone tried indy bushings in ace trucks?

Stock indys work ok, they're a bit short, aftermarket are even shorter than ACE bottoms.

ACE bushings are tall all around tops and bottoms. Better to get some krux bushings, they fit perfectly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on February 13, 2017, 02:40:04 PM
Quote from: DaveFuck on February 12, 2017, 03:14:28 PM
has anyone tried indy bushings in ace trucks?

I have Standard Cylinder Bottom's on mine. It really makes a difference cause Ace Bushing's is just too damn hard.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 14, 2017, 10:26:36 PM
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has anyone tried indy bushings in ace trucks?
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I have Standard Cylinder Bottom's on mine. It really makes a difference cause Ace Bushing's is just too damn hard.

For real...so damn hard - the break in struggle is real so I always swap them out.

Setup the Tih with bones meds/soft tops and the riptide cups, so good effortless in tranny, like broken in aces - sticking with them until those 144s come out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: soccer mom on February 14, 2017, 10:39:40 PM
if anyone wants a pair of theeve TiH trucks i have 2 pairs slightly used i could cut you a deal. I think 8.25 and 8.0 wide.
 I'm not on here much and never think to check messages, don't think I've ever got one.... Anyway don't be afraid to keep blowing me up if you ant them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dima on February 15, 2017, 01:37:28 PM
Anyone have any info that which truck has the tightest turning radius, thunder?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on February 15, 2017, 03:14:58 PM
Probably Thunders. Very sharp, responsive turning that's great for street and coming at obstacles at weird angles. I've skated Indy's, Ventures, & Theeves as well. Thunder probably turn the sharpest with theeve being second in my experience
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: calvinsdream on February 15, 2017, 03:27:31 PM
Decided to finally try a set of trucks that aren't indys and picked up some of the 149 thunders.

Any bushing tips on these? I though I saw in one of these pages that the stock thunder bushings were mostly ok.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on February 15, 2017, 03:32:21 PM
Yeah stock bushings are best for thunders, if you wanna mess around with durometers get the thunder bushing kits.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JAesop on February 15, 2017, 04:02:09 PM
Geek out.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/htmlview
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on February 15, 2017, 04:21:33 PM
Quote from: calvinsdream on February 15, 2017, 03:27:31 PM
Decided to finally try a set of trucks that aren't indys and picked up some of the 149 thunders.

Any bushing tips on these? I though I saw in one of these pages that the stock thunder bushings were mostly ok.

I just went the same route recently, that is standard thunder 149's instead of independent. The standard clear yellow bushings were pretty good I've also used the white which have a little bit more rebound. I tried a set of Bones hard cores, blew them out of one session, went back to standard Thunder after that.

I've got some thunder 151s coming to set up a larger bowl/transition board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on February 15, 2017, 04:23:30 PM
Quote from: calvinsdream on February 15, 2017, 03:27:31 PM
Decided to finally try a set of trucks that aren't indys and picked up some of the 149 thunders.

Any bushing tips on these? I though I saw in one of these pages that the stock thunder bushings were mostly ok.
I was in your boat six months back and the advice I got on here was:
DON'T touch them (the bushings) for the first 3 sesssions just ride them out. It's going to suck but once they break in you're free to tighten them down (they will be a lot harder at this point too cuz I know they feel mushy fresh out of the box). Worked like a dream
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: calvinsdream on February 15, 2017, 05:32:11 PM
Awesome, thanks for the tips!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on February 15, 2017, 06:46:09 PM
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Decided to finally try a set of trucks that aren't indys and picked up some of the 149 thunders.

Any bushing tips on these? I though I saw in one of these pages that the stock thunder bushings were mostly ok.
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I was in your boat six months back and the advice I got on here was:
DON'T touch them (the bushings) for the first 3 sesssions just ride them out. It's going to suck but once they break in you're free to tighten them down (they will be a lot harder at this point too cuz I know they feel mushy fresh out of the box). Worked like a dream


i recently got some 149s with the white bushings. i began to ride em and tightened them the first session.. i was on the 95 blue duro bushings on my last setup and wanted the same results.. it felt soooo off having 90duro bushings cranked down that i just said fuck it and bought a set of the thunder aftermarket blue ones
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on February 16, 2017, 01:11:47 PM
bit the bullet and ordered some of those riptide pivot cups, any PALs wanna give me a quick lodown on the performance?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on February 16, 2017, 01:58:39 PM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on February 16, 2017, 01:11:47 PM
bit the bullet and ordered some of those riptide pivot cups, any PALs wanna give me a quick lodown on the performance?
Those $15 things? why?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on February 16, 2017, 02:52:09 PM
Been through two sets of the Indy replacement ones since october, found the riptide ones for cheap while looking for new bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on February 16, 2017, 03:01:13 PM
shit gets drastic with the plastic, if they last some proper ones arent the worst investment for 15 bucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: patrick c. on February 16, 2017, 05:53:20 PM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on February 16, 2017, 02:52:09 PM
Been through two sets of the Indy replacement ones since october, found the riptide ones for cheap while looking for new bushings
Where?  I'm interested in trying those.  I've been blowing through the replacement indy pivot cups every couple months too.  Let us know how the Riptides work out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 16, 2017, 06:02:28 PM
The Riptides are buttery, you can feel it when you take them out of the bag, they have a slippery yet dry feel to them, they're nicely molded, no ghetto plastic around the top and they're flexible like theeves/khiro not hard as fuck like indy/thunder/shortys, etc. but very different than anything else, they're very soft/squishy.

I've tried them in indy, theeve and thunder and if you are a truck nerd you can tell the difference straight away. YMMV.

I'd say they're worth it. Not sure if you need to worry about ordering truck specific ones tho, as they make ACE and Theeve cups, after about an hour I'd imaging they conform to the plate anyway.

Grosso can't be wrong, can he? :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: patrick c. on February 16, 2017, 08:30:12 PM
Quote from: Xen on February 16, 2017, 06:02:28 PM
Grosso can't be wrong, can he? :)
No he can't, thanks for the info Xen.  Do the Riptides last any longer than the Indy pivot cups? I'm mainly tired of having to swap out the indy ones every couple months.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Alotoflizards on February 20, 2017, 06:04:59 PM
Would somebody reccommend some replacement bushings for venture lows? Thank you
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on February 20, 2017, 06:08:09 PM
Quote from: Alotoflizards on February 20, 2017, 06:04:59 PM
Would somebody reccommend some replacement bushings for venture lows? Thank you

Aftermarket indy low bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: calvinsdream on February 21, 2017, 12:39:42 PM
Update on the Thunders - tried the stock bushings for the first session (they were clear yellow - not sure of duro), and wayyyy too lose for me. Massive wheel bite, even with 53s. Swapped them out for some broken in bones hards and they're peachy now. Love the slightly lower height and manuals feel a bit more stable. Haven't quite adjust to the different pop feeling yet though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 21, 2017, 01:17:15 PM
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Grosso can't be wrong, can he? :)
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No he can't, thanks for the info Xen.  Do the Riptides last any longer than the Indy pivot cups? I'm mainly tired of having to swap out the indy ones every couple months.

No idea, but if I had to guess just based on feel (quality) and my experience with Theeve/Khiro bushings (also quality) I would only imagine that the riptides would last longer than stocks.

I ride loose so I chew through cups no matter the brand.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cleveridiot on February 21, 2017, 01:59:51 PM
Quote from: calvinsdream on February 21, 2017, 12:39:42 PM
Update on the Thunders - tried the stock bushings for the first session (they were clear yellow - not sure of duro), and wayyyy too lose for me. Massive wheel bite, even with 53s. Swapped them out for some broken in bones hards and they're peachy now. Love the slightly lower height and manuals feel a bit more stable. Haven't quite adjust to the different pop feeling yet though.

The stock yellows definitely harden a little after two or three sessions, so much so that I sanded down the top bushing to get the nut flush because my lanky 130 lb self couldn't get them to turn comfortably. The rebound on them is actually really good too
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: calvinsdream on February 21, 2017, 02:35:41 PM
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Update on the Thunders - tried the stock bushings for the first session (they were clear yellow - not sure of duro), and wayyyy too lose for me. Massive wheel bite, even with 53s. Swapped them out for some broken in bones hards and they're peachy now. Love the slightly lower height and manuals feel a bit more stable. Haven't quite adjust to the different pop feeling yet though.
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The stock yellows definitely harden a little after two or three sessions, so much so that I sanded down the top bushing to get the nut flush because my lanky 130 lb self couldn't get them to turn comfortably. The rebound on them is actually really good too

Hmm. Maybe I'll give them another shot...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on February 22, 2017, 09:19:39 AM
Does anyone know if Thunder is planning to make an 8.25 now? If they do 148 team hollows I'll be set for life
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on February 23, 2017, 12:01:10 AM
Quote from: GOATMOON on February 22, 2017, 09:19:39 AM
Does anyone know if Thunder is planning to make an 8.25 now? If they do 148 team hollows I'll be set for life

i dont think they would just because with thunder the diiference between a 147 and 149 isnt that big, i think theyre going with a new 147 lo in the works though to make up for the remastered 145 lo. plus there hasnt been a thunder 147 lo in a while.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on February 23, 2017, 07:45:43 AM
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Does anyone know if Thunder is planning to make an 8.25 now? If they do 148 team hollows I'll be set for life
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i dont think they would just because with thunder the diiference between a 147 and 149 isnt that big, i think theyre going with a new 147 lo in the works though to make up for the remastered 145 lo. plus there hasnt been a thunder 147 lo in a while.
Uuhm, the difference in width is the same as indy 139 vs 149, and with thunder they're different hieght, so I'd say it's a pretty big difference, no?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on February 23, 2017, 06:36:17 PM
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Update on the Thunders - tried the stock bushings for the first session (they were clear yellow - not sure of duro), and wayyyy too lose for me. Massive wheel bite, even with 53s. Swapped them out for some broken in bones hards and they're peachy now. Love the slightly lower height and manuals feel a bit more stable. Haven't quite adjust to the different pop feeling yet though.
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The stock yellows definitely harden a little after two or three sessions, so much so that I sanded down the top bushing to get the nut flush because my lanky 130 lb self couldn't get them to turn comfortably. The rebound on them is actually really good too
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Hmm. Maybe I'll give them another shot...
dude, the popped fucked with me hard for my first 3 sessions, so hard if you're coming off indys because the thunders lengthen your wheelbase (and I had already sized up from 7.75 to 8.5!!!). The stock yellows do get a nice consistency to them, as it was explained to me:
Don't touch them, just ride them for a good 3 sessions, it will suck, it will really SUCK but they'll harden up just right. Followed it to a t and now they feel perfect!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on February 23, 2017, 09:22:20 PM
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Update on the Thunders - tried the stock bushings for the first session (they were clear yellow - not sure of duro), and wayyyy too lose for me. Massive wheel bite, even with 53s. Swapped them out for some broken in bones hards and they're peachy now. Love the slightly lower height and manuals feel a bit more stable. Haven't quite adjust to the different pop feeling yet though.
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The stock yellows definitely harden a little after two or three sessions, so much so that I sanded down the top bushing to get the nut flush because my lanky 130 lb self couldn't get them to turn comfortably. The rebound on them is actually really good too
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Hmm. Maybe I'll give them another shot...
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dude, the popped fucked with me hard for my first 3 sessions, so hard if you're coming off indys because the thunders lengthen your wheelbase (and I had already sized up from 7.75 to 8.5!!!). The stock yellows do get a nice consistency to them, as it was explained to me:
Don't touch them, just ride them for a good 3 sessions, it will suck, it will really SUCK but they'll harden up just right. Followed it to a t and now they feel perfect!
Yup. I have black bushings in my thunders. Did the same thing. My kingpin is sucked in probably 2 threads or so inside the nut and they feel perfect. no wheelbite or anything. Needless to say, I like them a lot. I'm constantly torn between my Thunders and Aces.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on February 23, 2017, 10:11:22 PM
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Does anyone know if Thunder is planning to make an 8.25 now? If they do 148 team hollows I'll be set for life
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i dont think they would just because with thunder the diiference between a 147 and 149 isnt that big, i think theyre going with a new 147 lo in the works though to make up for the remastered 145 lo. plus there hasnt been a thunder 147 lo in a while.
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Uuhm, the difference in width is the same as indy 139 vs 149, and with thunder they're different hieght, so I'd say it's a pretty big difference, no?

I meant to say the difference in length, cause the 149ers are a bit taller, wider, more stable and turny but width/length wise plugging a 147 or 149 thunder for an 8.25 is just your preference on a more stable more surf feel with 149 or a more snappy poppy but still sharp fast turny feel 147, I would say 149 are more a 8.25/8.38 truck than 8.5, I think thunder 151 are the true 8.5ish thunder
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on February 23, 2017, 11:46:24 PM
thoughts on krux k4s? I have a set of 8.25s and they're just okay for me so far. I don't want to simply get rid of them but then again life's too short to skate stuff you don't like when you're an old dude. is there a good mod for them? I have them set up stock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on February 23, 2017, 11:55:08 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on February 23, 2017, 11:46:24 PM
thoughts on krux k4s? I have a set of 8.25s and they're just okay for me so far. I don't want to simply get rid of them but then again life's too short to skate stuff you don't like when you're an old dude. is there a good mod for them? I have them set up stock.

I tried to get used to mine but just couldn't no matter what. Stock bushings were way too unstable for me. Bones meds and hards and all sorts of combos were better, but still didn't feel right. My main gripe was that they were unstable but still didn't turn enough. I don't think it's even possible to get wheelbite on them with 54 mm wheels no matter how you set them up but the cost is that you aren't able to turn deep and I like my trucks to turn deep. After trying the Krux out i found their slogan "they turn and stuff" pretty ironic.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on February 24, 2017, 07:53:39 AM
Quote from: Roisto on February 23, 2017, 11:55:08 PM
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thoughts on krux k4s? I have a set of 8.25s and they're just okay for me so far. I don't want to simply get rid of them but then again life's too short to skate stuff you don't like when you're an old dude. is there a good mod for them? I have them set up stock.
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I tried to get used to mine but just couldn't no matter what. Stock bushings were way too unstable for me. Bones meds and hards and all sorts of combos were better, but still didn't feel right. My main gripe was that they were unstable but still didn't turn enough. I don't think it's even possible to get wheelbite on them with 54 mm wheels no matter how you set them up but the cost is that you aren't able to turn deep and I like my trucks to turn deep. After trying the Krux out i found their slogan "they turn and stuff" pretty ironic.  :)

I feel the same way. I had the kingpin nut flush but the bushings felt too mushy after a while and the turning was still not great. and when I go to pop tricks, it's sort of a gamble the way the trucks will respond. so I tightened the nut a bit but now the turning is stiff and it still feels kind of unstable and unpredictable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 24, 2017, 08:57:27 AM
The problem with Krux is that there's too much slop in the pivot cup and the pivot on the hanger its self isn't shaped for optimal turning. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 24, 2017, 09:33:43 AM
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Does anyone know if Thunder is planning to make an 8.25 now? If they do 148 team hollows I'll be set for life
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i dont think they would just because with thunder the diiference between a 147 and 149 isnt that big, i think theyre going with a new 147 lo in the works though to make up for the remastered 145 lo. plus there hasnt been a thunder 147 lo in a while.
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Uuhm, the difference in width is the same as indy 139 vs 149, and with thunder they're different hieght, so I'd say it's a pretty big difference, no?
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I meant to say the difference in length, cause the 149ers are a bit taller, wider, more stable and turny but width/length wise plugging a 147 or 149 thunder for an 8.25 is just your preference on a more stable more surf feel with 149 or a more snappy poppy but still sharp fast turny feel 147, I would say 149 are more a 8.25/8.38 truck than 8.5, I think thunder 151 are the true 8.5ish thunder

Sounds like alternative facts to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 24, 2017, 09:39:05 AM
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Does anyone know if Thunder is planning to make an 8.25 now? If they do 148 team hollows I'll be set for life
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i dont think they would just because with thunder the diiference between a 147 and 149 isnt that big, i think theyre going with a new 147 lo in the works though to make up for the remastered 145 lo. plus there hasnt been a thunder 147 lo in a while.
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Uuhm, the difference in width is the same as indy 139 vs 149, and with thunder they're different hieght, so I'd say it's a pretty big difference, no?
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I meant to say the difference in length, cause the 149ers are a bit taller, wider, more stable and turny but width/length wise plugging a 147 or 149 thunder for an 8.25 is just your preference on a more stable more surf feel with 149 or a more snappy poppy but still sharp fast turny feel 147, I would say 149 are more a 8.25/8.38 truck than 8.5, I think thunder 151 are the true 8.5ish thunder
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Sounds like alternative facts to me.

Kellyanne Conway explaining trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: calvinsdream on February 25, 2017, 01:23:39 PM
Looks like he's a stock indys fan.


(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t375/Allen_Cox/boserio_zpsqtkysplq.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on February 25, 2017, 02:17:56 PM
gold
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HyperBeam on February 25, 2017, 09:41:53 PM
from what I observe among everyday, unsponsored skaters, skateboarding ability and bugging out over yer shit are inversely proportionational.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on February 25, 2017, 10:24:56 PM
I was gonna say the same thing, I think. Nick Boserio good, us suck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 26, 2017, 08:15:29 AM
Someone DM Boserio this thread so he can start skating 1 aftermarket Indy bottom, 1 Bones medium top, Riptide pivot cups, Krux kingpin and destructo baseplates
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on February 26, 2017, 08:23:50 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on February 26, 2017, 08:15:29 AM
Someone DM Boserio this thread so he can start skating 1 aftermarket Indy bottom, 1 Bones mediaum top, Riptide pivot cups, Krux kingpin and destructo baseplates

Don't forget shock pads.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on February 26, 2017, 11:57:58 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on February 26, 2017, 08:15:29 AM
Someone DM Boserio this thread so he can start skating 1 aftermarket Indy bottom, 1 Bones medium top, Riptide pivot cups, Krux kingpin and destructo baseplates
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on February 26, 2017, 04:53:54 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on February 26, 2017, 08:15:29 AM
Someone DM Boserio this thread so he can start skating 1 aftermarket Indy bottom, 1 Bones medium top, Riptide pivot cups, Krux kingpin and destructo baseplates
if it doesn't have vaginal fluid from a sacrificed virgin in the pivot cup it doesn't count ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mick on March 01, 2017, 08:35:04 PM
Anyone know Sebo Walker's truck setup? It kind of look like he rides medium cylinders on the back truck and soft conicals on the front truck?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on March 01, 2017, 09:18:01 PM
jesus
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on March 03, 2017, 01:08:19 AM
[rant] Anyone else annoyed with the Ace .38 specials? Ace seems to be pushing them hard on Instagram. I don't get it. They are 5 grams lighter in total. That's like 0,2% of the weight of your whole set up. Insignificant. No nyloc and I've heard they won't stay on very well because of that. Same wrench size as mounting hardware. Yeah, nice, ok, but every skate tool has the wrench for the axle nuts anyway, so what's the advantage there? I love Ace but I wish they'd use their time to do something useful instead of this stupid shit.  >:( [/rant]
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 03, 2017, 07:23:06 PM
Quote from: Roisto on March 03, 2017, 01:08:19 AM
[rant] Anyone else annoyed with the Ace .38 specials? Ace seems to be pushing them hard on Instagram. I don't get it. They are 5 grams lighter in total. That's like 0,2% of the weight of your whole set up. Insignificant. No nyloc and I've heard they won't stay on very well because of that. Same wrench size as mounting hardware. Yeah, nice, ok, but every skate tool has the wrench for the axle nuts anyway, so what's the advantage there? I love Ace but I wish they'd use their time to do something useful instead of this stupid shit.  >:( [/rant]

They didn't even make to the first session; I wouldn't trust them to stay on, cranked down or not.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on March 03, 2017, 08:48:23 PM
I was hyped on the for a purely aesthetic look, but yeah the no nylock part sucks, apparently they're designed using something called an
"Interference" fit, so it seems you have to crank them down past the first thread of the axle. for $4 i'll probably try them out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 04, 2017, 07:19:04 PM
They should sell after market inverted king pins like krux.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 04, 2017, 07:22:52 PM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on March 03, 2017, 08:48:23 PM
I was hyped on the for a purely aesthetic look, but yeah the no nylock part sucks, apparently they're designed using something called an
"Interference" fit, so it seems you have to crank them down past the first thread of the axle. for $4 i'll probably try them out

I'll just send you mine if you want. I've got 8 of them just sitting in my toolbox.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on March 04, 2017, 08:07:53 PM
I appreciate the offer but after posting it i went and got some from SoCal, thanks though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on March 05, 2017, 07:54:18 AM
Is anyone running cylinder bottoms on Thunders? I have a set of Krux bushings sitting here and I'm thinking they may get a deeper turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chavo on March 05, 2017, 12:43:21 PM
Quote from: Roisto on March 03, 2017, 01:08:19 AM
[rant] Anyone else annoyed with the Ace .38 specials? Ace seems to be pushing them hard on Instagram. I don't get it. They are 5 grams lighter in total. That's like 0,2% of the weight of your whole set up. Insignificant. No nyloc and I've heard they won't stay on very well because of that. Same wrench size as mounting hardware. Yeah, nice, ok, but every skate tool has the wrench for the axle nuts anyway, so what's the advantage there? I love Ace but I wish they'd use their time to do something useful instead of this stupid shit.  >:( [/rant]

The only advantage seems to be the built in washer that prevents your socket wrench from bashing your bearing shields. You could always put a drop of locktite on the threads (everyone should own at least a tube) in place of the nylock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 05, 2017, 04:00:39 PM
anyone got any feedback on fury trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on March 06, 2017, 01:02:03 AM
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You'd be welding aluminum to steel. I don't think that really works.

I use spacers and I've never had axle slip.  :-*
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Yeah i used spacers for a a session or two when my thunders' axle slip was out of control but really hated the dead sound my wheels made when set up with spacers.
As for the weld, this is also my (and the welder's) main concern - that the weld is not going to stick at all. He said that if he used a strong enough welding kit then we might have some luck as everything could melt into one thing. I am pretty sure this little project is going to turn into a big mess but am willing to try it just to fulfill my curiosity. Probably going to try it tomorrow on my day off and will definitely post pictures so you can have laugh at my warped trucks.
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I did something like that in the past with some slipping trucks. You just have to weld some tiny  steel balls to the axle on that little hole near the kingpin (it works also on the holes below that ofter have the axle exposed). That way it stops the axle from moving. Melting steel with aluminium doesnt work i bet.
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this is also my thinking but the welder said that if the current used is high enough, then the two materials would sort of melt into one amalgam. sounds crazy and this is why i am sure my trucks are going to warp. never thought of your suggestion, it sounds much more reasonable than going crazy with the welding. can't wait to see if its going to work and i am surely going to try both methods (got plenty of trucks with axle slip and am going to try your technique on some hollows), fingers crossed   ;D

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i finally went to do the weld and have something to post. the dude fucked one of my hangers right up because he tried too much with the weld and the hanger melted and went proper fucked. the second attempt went much better though because the guy did what i asked him and didn't mess around. here is the successful attempt and i'm going to post the other, messed up hanger in a bit (i know it sounds more interesting but it needs to cool down). I still have another set of thunders with axle slip so i have 2 more attempts to choose from. I am hyped with this result and though i haven't skated it yet i believe it should be fine and that the axle slip has been (permanently -fingers crossed) cured.

sorry for bumping this post but i have some feedback on welding the hangers to prevent axle slip
Finally got to skate the welded hangers for three 4hr sessions doing the normal shit i usually do, that caused the axle slip in the first place. I even went a bit harder on the last day, trying many flip tricks and landing primo a lot. It seems that the hangers held up perfect and so far i can not notice any slip. The trucks seem to work fine.
Thanks S.K.A.T.A.N for the suggestion
now i can freely enjoy thunders without having to worry about mad axle slip
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on March 06, 2017, 01:24:53 AM
Quote from: rob on March 05, 2017, 04:00:39 PM
anyone got any feedback on fury trucks?
What do you want to know? I'm skating pair atm, with indy baseplates because i broke original ones. Not liking them as much as I liked evo 1's with that rounded pivot but they're not bad. I'm using indy aftermarket bushing and they feel okay to me, grinds like any other truck out there, turns decent and they have 8.25" axle. Height is close to indys. And those lowcard collabos were nice, as they're having a sol beer bottle cap as bottom washer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 06, 2017, 10:24:08 AM
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anyone got any feedback on fury trucks?

Mods, I think it's time to lock this thread...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on March 06, 2017, 11:01:41 AM
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Mods, I think it's time to lock this thread...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 06, 2017, 11:14:31 AM
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on March 06, 2017, 11:17:47 AM
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 06, 2017, 05:49:13 PM
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anyone got any feedback on fury trucks?
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What do you want to know? I'm skating pair atm, with indy baseplates because i broke original ones. Not liking them as much as I liked evo 1's with that rounded pivot but they're not bad. I'm using indy aftermarket bushing and they feel okay to me, grinds like any other truck out there, turns decent and they have 8.25" axle. Height is close to indys. And those lowcard collabos were nice, as they're having a sol beer bottle cap as bottom washer.

Thanks! Was curious cause getting bored of the ole Indy or thunder routine, I love both trucks and they're the best on the market but I feel like such a clone riding 1 or the other, makes my setup look like it has no personality...

Probably gonna go back to krux. They're decent. But those reinforced ace44 look interesting...pricey though for some standard aluminum trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on March 07, 2017, 04:40:11 PM
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What do you want to know? I'm skating pair atm, with indy baseplates because i broke original ones. Not liking them as much as I liked evo 1's with that rounded pivot but they're not bad. I'm using indy aftermarket bushing and they feel okay to me, grinds like any other truck out there, turns decent and they have 8.25" axle. Height is close to indys. And those lowcard collabos were nice, as they're having a sol beer bottle cap as bottom washer.
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Thanks! Was curious cause getting bored of the ole Indy or thunder routine, I love both trucks and they're the best on the market but I feel like such a clone riding 1 or the other, makes my setup look like it has no personality...

Probably gonna go back to krux. They're decent. But those reinforced ace44 look interesting...pricey though for some standard aluminum trucks

in the last 5 years i did try theeve and ace.. theres a reason why indy/thunder/venture has been around for over three decades now and probably will always dominate the industry
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 07, 2017, 09:25:59 PM
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anyone got any feedback on fury trucks?
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What do you want to know? I'm skating pair atm, with indy baseplates because i broke original ones. Not liking them as much as I liked evo 1's with that rounded pivot but they're not bad. I'm using indy aftermarket bushing and they feel okay to me, grinds like any other truck out there, turns decent and they have 8.25" axle. Height is close to indys. And those lowcard collabos were nice, as they're having a sol beer bottle cap as bottom washer.
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Thanks! Was curious cause getting bored of the ole Indy or thunder routine, I love both trucks and they're the best on the market but I feel like such a clone riding 1 or the other, makes my setup look like it has no personality...

Probably gonna go back to krux. They're decent. But those reinforced ace44 look interesting...pricey though for some standard aluminum trucks
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in the last 5 years i did try theeve and ace.. theres a reason why indy/thunder/venture has been around for over three decades now and probably will always dominate the industry

And all three come from the same place....anyway....being some of the first grants you longevity if you keep pace, something ACE and Theeve forced Indy and Thunder to do when they released. Let's not forget marketing dollars...

Honestly, I am surprised Theeve are still around, as much as I like the truck, the branding is meh and mindshare is minimal.

ACE, because of the bro-setup will probably be around forever as well; really wish they'd pick up their game a bit, e.g., some 44s with Ti/hollow goodness.

Hell even Tracker and Gullwing are still around...Industrial, Orion, Krux, Destructo, Royal, Fury, Tensor, my guess is trucks are cheap as fuck to manufacture but expensive to design (properly).

What I don't understand is why the hell can't Indy change the yoke and drop some weight? If ACE/Theeve/Thunder (tho admittedly Thunders 149II has more beef to it than before), so can Indy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on March 07, 2017, 09:43:05 PM
The thought of a streamlined Indy doesn't sound appealing to me at least, one of the biggest gripes i had about Theeves TiH was it just didn't look like enough truck and it would fuck with me. I get what you're saying though, a slimmed down 215 looker in mid range sizes would probably do well, but then again they've only just made an 8.25 inch truck so chances of them doing anything like this are slim to none for a while
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 08, 2017, 09:19:53 AM
Ooo thanks for reminding me xen!

Anyone tried those Indy knock off stage ten industrial trucks? Also any feedback on destructos ? I kinda wanna get a set of the D2 but maybe the reinforced ace44 instead cause my local has a set with regular axle nuts/not the 38 special
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 08, 2017, 09:37:16 AM
Quote from: rob on March 08, 2017, 09:19:53 AM
Ooo thanks for reminding me xen!

Anyone tried those Indy knock off stage ten industrial trucks? Also any feedback on destructos ? I kinda wanna get a set of the D2 but maybe the reinforced ace44 instead cause my local has a set with regular axle nuts/not the 38 special

Industrials are trash I skated two sets back in middle school and even as a tiny ass kid I was snapping kingpins and breaking off  Baseplates by simply jumping down shit. I didn't even do grinds like that either.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 08, 2017, 09:45:46 AM
Quote from: rob on March 08, 2017, 09:19:53 AM
Ooo thanks for reminding me xen!

Anyone tried those Indy knock off stage ten industrial trucks? Also any feedback on destructos ? I kinda wanna get a set of the D2 but maybe the reinforced ace44 instead cause my local has a set with regular axle nuts/not the 38 special

My vote goes to the ACEs, very different ride than the lows.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on March 08, 2017, 01:46:53 PM
Regular raw Indy stage 11's and I switch out the bushings for the blue (the soft ones I believe) conical Indy low bushings.

I like my trucks nice and loose but can't be bothered to boil my bushings and slice them with a razorblade Matt Rodriguez-style, and this method has worked perfectly for me for about 5 or so years.

Before that I had Theeves which I loved, but changed the bushings for soft Doh-Doh's... I've never liked the feel of Bones bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on March 08, 2017, 10:50:01 PM
Quote from: TheBoognish on March 08, 2017, 01:46:53 PM
Regular raw Indy stage 11's ...

I've got a pair of plain Indy's and a pair of Titanium with the black powdercoat finish.  With the same exact bushings the raw trucks will feel looser.  Lower coefficient of friction between the polished hanger and the bushings than with the powder coated finish.

I know the coefficient of friction matters because when I first got my Aces I couldn't get them loose enough with the stock bushings, but then I soaped the bushings and they were a lot better.

Also, it has been mentioned before that Indy Conical lower bushings are taller than Indy Cylinder lower bushings... Well the top bushing in the Conical pack is a little taller too.  This can cause confusing results when you are testing different set ups because having the nut flush on two similar looking bushings might have one feeling tighter than the other.  If you are putting Indy bushings in Ace trucks than theoretically that slightly taller top bushing might be a little better.

Deluxe Supercush bushings are the same height as stock Ace bushings (the lower ones).  Indy Cylinder are slightly shorter.

I'm currently running Ace trucks with stock 90A bushings out of a set of Thunders in front, and then in the back I have the flat washer out of a Bones Bushings set then the regular washer and then an Indy Cylinder in the back for a little more stability.

Also, it bugs me when people talk about wheel size and wheel bite without mentioning how wide their trucks are, because that is a factor too.

Thanks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 08, 2017, 11:19:52 PM
truck OCD straight off the bat? you're going to implode if you read this whole thread
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on March 09, 2017, 12:51:32 AM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on March 08, 2017, 11:19:52 PM
truck OCD straight off the bat? you're going to implode if you read this whole thread


hahahah
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 09, 2017, 10:14:33 AM
Quote from: full of jerks on March 08, 2017, 10:50:01 PM
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Regular raw Indy stage 11's ...
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I've got a pair of plain Indy's and a pair of Titanium with the black powdercoat finish.  With the same exact bushings the raw trucks will feel looser.  Lower coefficient of friction between the polished hanger and the bushings than with the powder coated finish.

I know the coefficient of friction matters because when I first got my Aces I couldn't get them loose enough with the stock bushings, but then I soaped the bushings and they were a lot better.

Also, it has been mentioned before that Indy Conical lower bushings are taller than Indy Cylinder lower bushings... Well the top bushing in the Conical pack is a little taller too.  This can cause confusing results when you are testing different set ups because having the nut flush on two similar looking bushings might have one feeling tighter than the other.  If you are putting Indy bushings in Ace trucks than theoretically that slightly taller top bushing might be a little better.

Deluxe Supercush bushings are the same height as stock Ace bushings (the lower ones).  Indy Cylinder are slightly shorter.

I'm currently running Ace trucks with stock 90A bushings out of a set of Thunders in front, and then in the back I have the flat washer out of a Bones Bushings set then the regular washer and then an Indy Cylinder in the back for a little more stability.

Also, it bugs me when people talk about wheel size and wheel bite without mentioning how wide their trucks are, because that is a factor too.

Thanks


If that's your first post, you're going to fit in just fine around here.  Welcome to the realm of insanty
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on March 09, 2017, 10:49:29 AM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on March 08, 2017, 11:19:52 PM
truck OCD straight off the bat? you're going to implode if you read this whole thread
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 10, 2017, 12:14:52 PM
Quote from: full of jerks on March 08, 2017, 10:50:01 PM
Quote from: TheBoognish on March 08, 2017, 01:46:53 PM
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Regular raw Indy stage 11's ...
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I've got a pair of plain Indy's and a pair of Titanium with the black powdercoat finish.  With the same exact bushings the raw trucks will feel looser.  Lower coefficient of friction between the polished hanger and the bushings than with the powder coated finish.

I know the coefficient of friction matters because when I first got my Aces I couldn't get them loose enough with the stock bushings, but then I soaped the bushings and they were a lot better.

Also, it has been mentioned before that Indy Conical lower bushings are taller than Indy Cylinder lower bushings... Well the top bushing in the Conical pack is a little taller too.  This can cause confusing results when you are testing different set ups because having the nut flush on two similar looking bushings might have one feeling tighter than the other.  If you are putting Indy bushings in Ace trucks than theoretically that slightly taller top bushing might be a little better.

Deluxe Supercush bushings are the same height as stock Ace bushings (the lower ones).  Indy Cylinder are slightly shorter.

I'm currently running Ace trucks with stock 90A bushings out of a set of Thunders in front, and then in the back I have the flat washer out of a Bones Bushings set then the regular washer and then an Indy Cylinder in the back for a little more stability.

Also, it bugs me when people talk about wheel size and wheel bite without mentioning how wide their trucks are, because that is a factor too.

Thanks

I tried running stock thunder bushings in ACE for about an hour, the bushings feel so dead, no rebound at all; just mush into the turns.

You're right on the conical indy bushings being taller than the cylinder (both being aftermarkets). Pretty odd.

I still prefer bones in aces tho, even if the height of the bushings pushes the hanger forward compared to stock bushings/washer. ACE bushings are very very tall.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 12, 2017, 03:09:43 PM
I'm running aces and ventures on a couple of different boards. Ace stock bushings are fine. If your shit is janglin, your overcompensating for something.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Monkey_Mcpott on March 12, 2017, 03:39:50 PM
I've been running standard Indy 149's with red 88a bushings for a few years and its the best. I love the feeling of softer bushing compared to the orange stock ones. I've actually been thinking about going to the white 78a bushings. Has anybody tried those on their setup?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 12, 2017, 03:52:20 PM
Quote from: Monkey_Mcpott on March 12, 2017, 03:39:50 PM
I've been running standard Indy 149's with red 88a bushings for a few years and its the best. I love the feeling of softer bushing compared to the orange stock ones. I've actually been thinking about going to the white 78a bushings. Has anybody tried those on their setup?

I've run the 88a conicals on a number of setups, they're great, especially the 88a tops with harder bottoms.

The white 78a, depending on how much you weigh are really really soft, even if you run a harder bottom. Always better off buying a few duros harder so when they break in they're right where you want them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on March 12, 2017, 04:11:57 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 12, 2017, 03:09:43 PM
I'm running aces and ventures on a couple of different boards. Ace stock bushings are fine. If your shit is janglin, your overcompensating for something.

This! I think the stock Ace bushings are actually quite good, and I more than likely wont be hybridizing my next set.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 12, 2017, 04:23:39 PM
Been skating Ace 55's completely stock for month now.  They've been great and I don't plan on switching any time soon
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on March 12, 2017, 05:13:51 PM
Hey guys, I've been this pair of Indy 139's forged hollow for about 2 years now and I've been loving them. My problem now is that I'm ridding a 8.25 and even a couple of speedrings inside it still feels kinda magic carpet and is afecting my ocd now. 149 is too much for me so I've been eyeing this pair of krux k4 8,25 raws, and I want to know if do you think it would be a smooth change. I'm really used to the carvy indy turn and I dont want to loose that. I've always been curious about krux too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Julz on March 12, 2017, 05:21:47 PM
Why don't you just get a set of 144s ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on March 12, 2017, 05:26:48 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 12, 2017, 04:23:39 PM
Been skating Ace 55's completely stock for month now.  They've been great and I don't plan on switching any time soon

I've been on 44's for 6 or 7 months.  Even went as far as trying Krux bushings right out the gate and they were comically loose to me.  Switched to a mix of the stocks w/ the Krux and ended up going back to stock.  They are totally good once you break them in, you just have to be patient with them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on March 13, 2017, 12:19:41 AM
Quote from: Julz on March 12, 2017, 05:21:47 PM
Why don't you just get a set of 144s ?

I think they're not in europe yet, also price, and heaviness.
A pair of krux is like 46 euro, indy's are 35 each truck, the raws, the forged are like 42 each truck and hollows the same (titaniums are too expensive)
Also a little change of pace would be cool, just to try something diferent. I'm just trying to figure it out first if I'm wasting money or not on those krux.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: commander jameson on March 13, 2017, 01:35:17 AM
Quote from: Sk.A.T.A.N on March 13, 2017, 12:19:41 AM
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I think they're not in europe yet, also price, and heaviness.
A pair of krux is like 46 euro, indy's are 35 each truck, the raws, the forged are like 42 each truck and hollows the same (titaniums are too expensive)
Also a little change of pace would be cool, just to try something diferent. I'm just trying to figure it out first if I'm wasting money or not on those krux.

Like you said, it's just OCD, 139 fits fine on 8.25.
Just forget about it and enjoy skateboarding, especially if you are short on cash.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on March 13, 2017, 04:03:59 AM
Quote from: commander jameson on March 13, 2017, 01:35:17 AM
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Why don't you just get a set of 144s ?
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I think they're not in europe yet, also price, and heaviness.
A pair of krux is like 46 euro, indy's are 35 each truck, the raws, the forged are like 42 each truck and hollows the same (titaniums are too expensive)
Also a little change of pace would be cool, just to try something diferent. I'm just trying to figure it out first if I'm wasting money or not on those krux.
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Like you said, it's just OCD, 139 fits fine on 8.25.
Just forget about it and enjoy skateboarding, especially if you are short on cash.

Your probably right. Is not that I'm short on cash but if I can save some why not? I'll just keep ridding my pair of indys and try to forget about my OCD (slap doesn't help tho) ahah
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on March 13, 2017, 04:07:49 AM
Quote from: Sk.A.T.A.N on March 12, 2017, 05:13:51 PM
Hey guys, I've been this pair of Indy 139's forged hollow for about 2 years now and I've been loving them. My problem now is that I'm ridding a 8.25 and even a couple of speedrings inside it still feels kinda magic carpet and is afecting my ocd now. 149 is too much for me so I've been eyeing this pair of krux k4 8,25 raws, and I want to know if do you think it would be a smooth change. I'm really used to the carvy indy turn and I dont want to loose that. I've always been curious about krux too.

You'll definitely lose that with Krux. The turn is floppy and not deep at all. I couldn't get my 8.25" Krux' to wheebite with 54 mm wheels. Compared to the Indy 149s I had on my other set up the Krux were just plain horrible, unstable and not nearly deep enough.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on March 13, 2017, 05:45:17 AM
Everyone in this thread who has tried krux hasn't stuck with them pretty much, speaks for itself id say
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on March 13, 2017, 06:10:20 AM
Quote from: Roisto on March 13, 2017, 04:07:49 AM
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Hey guys, I've been this pair of Indy 139's forged hollow for about 2 years now and I've been loving them. My problem now is that I'm ridding a 8.25 and even a couple of speedrings inside it still feels kinda magic carpet and is afecting my ocd now. 149 is too much for me so I've been eyeing this pair of krux k4 8,25 raws, and I want to know if do you think it would be a smooth change. I'm really used to the carvy indy turn and I dont want to loose that. I've always been curious about krux too.
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You'll definitely lose that with Krux. The turn is floppy and not deep at all. I couldn't get my 8.25" Krux' to wheebite with 54 mm wheels. Compared to the Indy 149s I had on my other set up the Krux were just plain horrible, unstable and not nearly deep enough.

uhmm That's what my wallet wanted to hear. Thanks for the feedback guys!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 13, 2017, 10:39:21 AM
Quote from: Sk.A.T.A.N on March 13, 2017, 06:10:20 AM
Quote from: Roisto on March 13, 2017, 04:07:49 AM
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Quote from: Sk.A.T.A.N on March 12, 2017, 05:13:51 PM
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Hey guys, I've been this pair of Indy 139's forged hollow for about 2 years now and I've been loving them. My problem now is that I'm ridding a 8.25 and even a couple of speedrings inside it still feels kinda magic carpet and is afecting my ocd now. 149 is too much for me so I've been eyeing this pair of krux k4 8,25 raws, and I want to know if do you think it would be a smooth change. I'm really used to the carvy indy turn and I dont want to loose that. I've always been curious about krux too.
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You'll definitely lose that with Krux. The turn is floppy and not deep at all. I couldn't get my 8.25" Krux' to wheebite with 54 mm wheels. Compared to the Indy 149s I had on my other set up the Krux were just plain horrible, unstable and not nearly deep enough.
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uhmm That's what my wallet wanted to hear. Thanks for the feedback guys!

Krux are okay, I liked my set of 8.25 k4's but it's true they don't have a deep carve, they squrrel but hit a pinch point where you can't go any deeper and it sucks if your use to trucks that can keep going on a turn but I don't do much crazy turns so the way they stopped turning at a point wasn't too bad for me. I loved them as a lighter sub on my 8.5 anti hero instead of my heavier Indy 149. Why not try some thunder 149?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on March 13, 2017, 01:21:00 PM
I feel like going back with Theeves for this summer. Either that or Ace's. I've been skating for 18 years and probably rode Indy's for about 15 of those years and I feel like changing things up.

Never liked the feel of Thunders, HATED Ventures, I traded them for Indy's after 4 days. Loved the turn on Fury's, they turned so much that they took a while to get used to... however I think they're done, I don't remember why I got rid of them. Krux were alright at the time (first Downlo's about 15 years ago), don't know how the K4's are, but the cheap price is sorta swaying me away from them. Usually you get what you pay for.

I had the first edition of Ace's about 10 years ago and don't remember much other than they turned on a dime, but stoned me forgot his board on the bus and never saw it again, I'd love to give those a try again. I had Theeve TiKings about 5 or so years ago and LOVED them, only thing is no local shops carry them, so I'd have to order online. Probably the trucks I've loved just as much as Indy's.

I don't hate Indy at all, I just feel like switching things up.

Anybody skate the newer Theeves ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on March 13, 2017, 05:18:48 PM
Ace's are Indy's slutty younger sister. Good for a change of pace, but don't marry 'em.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 13, 2017, 05:32:19 PM
Quote from: TheBoognish on March 13, 2017, 01:21:00 PM
I feel like going back with Theeves for this summer. Either that or Ace's. I've been skating for 18 years and probably rode Indy's for about 15 of those years and I feel like changing things up.

Never liked the feel of Thunders, HATED Ventures, I traded them for Indy's after 4 days. Loved the turn on Fury's, they turned so much that they took a while to get used to... however I think they're done, I don't remember why I got rid of them. Krux were alright at the time (first Downlo's about 15 years ago), don't know how the K4's are, but the cheap price is sorta swaying me away from them. Usually you get what you pay for.

I had the first edition of Ace's about 10 years ago and don't remember much other than they turned on a dime, but stoned me forgot his board on the bus and never saw it again, I'd love to give those a try again. I had Theeve TiKings about 5 or so years ago and LOVED them, only thing is no local shops carry them, so I'd have to order online. Probably the trucks I've loved just as much as Indy's.

I don't hate Indy at all, I just feel like switching things up.

Anybody skate the newer Theeves ?

I'm skating the 8.18" tih (V2) but have skated the V3s - they're fantastic, carvy (like ACE) when you want yet stable on center (Thunder) for trick setup. Build quality is top notch as well. Can't go wrong, don't let the haters get to you.

Personally I'm selling everything off (tho keeping one set of ACE and Thunders around just in case) and sticking with 8.25" Indy's/8.18 Theeves, indy's for park and theeves for crusty street as they will grind on anything.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: micky682 on March 13, 2017, 06:11:53 PM
Any Pals sticking with the 149 on 8.25 combo or switching to the new 144?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Francis Xavier on March 13, 2017, 06:22:02 PM
Quote from: micky682 on March 13, 2017, 06:11:53 PM
Any Pals sticking with the 149 on 8.25 combo or switching to the new 144?

I'm tempted to try a pair of 144s out, but by the time my 139s & 149s are dust who knows
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: duzerdrof on March 13, 2017, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: Francis Xavier on March 13, 2017, 06:22:02 PM
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Any Pals sticking with the 149 on 8.25 combo or switching to the new 144?
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I'm tempted to try a pair of 144s out, but by the time my 139s & 149s are dust who knows

I picked up some 144s last week, skating those on an 8.25 with 53s and it feels perfect. The board feels nice and solid without getting into the heavyweight range... Thinking I can run this for a while and finally stop fucking with my setup
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on March 13, 2017, 09:44:19 PM
I've definitely settled on 159s on an 8.5, it lets me run my trucks looser without feeling sketchy at speed.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 13, 2017, 11:31:19 PM
Quote from: duzerdrof on March 13, 2017, 08:46:35 PM
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Any Pals sticking with the 149 on 8.25 combo or switching to the new 144?
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I'm tempted to try a pair of 144s out, but by the time my 139s & 149s are dust who knows
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I picked up some 144s last week, skating those on an 8.25 with 53s and it feels perfect. The board feels nice and solid without getting into the heavyweight range... Thinking I can run this for a while and finally stop fucking with my setup

8.25" and 53s, that's my goto when not ocd'ing ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 14, 2017, 05:31:16 AM
Quote from: Xen on March 13, 2017, 05:32:19 PM
Quote from: TheBoognish on March 13, 2017, 01:21:00 PM
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I feel like going back with Theeves for this summer. Either that or Ace's. I've been skating for 18 years and probably rode Indy's for about 15 of those years and I feel like changing things up.

Never liked the feel of Thunders, HATED Ventures, I traded them for Indy's after 4 days. Loved the turn on Fury's, they turned so much that they took a while to get used to... however I think they're done, I don't remember why I got rid of them. Krux were alright at the time (first Downlo's about 15 years ago), don't know how the K4's are, but the cheap price is sorta swaying me away from them. Usually you get what you pay for.

I had the first edition of Ace's about 10 years ago and don't remember much other than they turned on a dime, but stoned me forgot his board on the bus and never saw it again, I'd love to give those a try again. I had Theeve TiKings about 5 or so years ago and LOVED them, only thing is no local shops carry them, so I'd have to order online. Probably the trucks I've loved just as much as Indy's.

I don't hate Indy at all, I just feel like switching things up.

Anybody skate the newer Theeves ?
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I'm skating the 8.18" tih (V2) but have skated the V3s - they're fantastic, carvy (like ACE) when you want yet stable on center (Thunder) for trick setup. Build quality is top notch as well. Can't go wrong, don't let the haters get to you.

Personally I'm selling everything off (tho keeping one set of ACE and Thunders around just in case) and sticking with 8.25" Indy's/8.18 Theeves, indy's for park and theeves for crusty street as they will grind on anything.

So true, I love the way the theeves are 8.18 axles so I can swap between 8-8.25 decks without a hassle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dr. Octagon on March 14, 2017, 06:08:14 PM
Quote from: micky682 on March 13, 2017, 06:11:53 PM
Any Pals sticking with the 149 on 8.25 combo or switching to the new 144?

I'm going back to the 149/8.25 combo after being on 8.25/Ace 44's for 9 months. they're almost to the axle and the extra width would be nice to have back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Thomas on March 15, 2017, 05:57:43 AM
I've been on 8.25 / Ace 44 with krux bushings for 10 months now.
Love them and not gonna change...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on March 15, 2017, 02:01:14 PM
I've spent too much time lurking this thread, i was looking at my trucks, from the truck itself to all the components that make it up now and even the mounting hardware i think all the madness in here has stuck. Thanks guys  :-*
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 144p on March 15, 2017, 03:26:02 PM
I was an indy guy for years, tinkered with bushings and tried a bunch of options.
Then to Thunder 149 forged with bones hard bushings with the thin top washer, still felt very unstable but I rolled with it,
trying Venture hi 5.8 with stock everything and I finally feel like I'm not gonna fall off my board every time I land a trick.
Never even considered them an option until now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 15, 2017, 04:00:40 PM
Quote from: 144p on March 15, 2017, 03:26:02 PM
I was an indy guy for years, tinkered with bushings and tried a bunh of options.
Then to Thunder 149 forged with bones hard bushings with the thin top washer, still felt very unstable but I rolled with it,
trying Venture hi 5.8 with stok everything and I finally feel like I'm not gonna fall off my board everytime I land a trick.
Never even considered them an option until now.


I feel like despite being apart of the big 3 ventures don't get enough love on SLAP, although it's probably because their wider sized trucks are harder to find. I have some 5.8 Hi V-Hollow Lights which were a bitch to find but I really liked them. They're on my girls cruiser now because I'm on my thunder kick at the moment but yeah, people sleep on venture. Bushings are stiff at first but when they break in they have a nice smooth turn. Not as twitchy/responsive as thunder but I can usually make whatever turn I need to with  them and they maintain their stability jumping down shit or landing fliptricks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 144p on March 15, 2017, 05:50:49 PM
They broke in within an hour and feel very comfortable.
The dark purple Hi bushings are a 97a supercush and feel about how I want my bushings to respond.
I think I prefer the stability of the barrel bottom bushing vs a conical one.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OldManSkate on March 15, 2017, 07:20:00 PM
I've had some 5.2 V-Hollow Lights for like 2 years now going strong. Can't decide if those or Ace 44 with Krux bushings are my favorite.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on March 15, 2017, 08:08:11 PM
Any places selling krux bushings? im using bones mediums in ace 44's and they are cool but i wanna see the hype around krux
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 15, 2017, 09:53:02 PM
ive mentioned this before too....ventures look dope and the awake t is one of the best truck t's ever....you can't wear a fucking thunder t.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on March 15, 2017, 10:25:12 PM
Quote from: DaveFuck on March 15, 2017, 08:08:11 PM
Any places selling krux bushings? im using bones mediums in ace 44's and they are cool but i wanna see the hype around krux

http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=59727 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=59727)

Socal has them for like $6
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 15, 2017, 11:54:18 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 15, 2017, 09:53:02 PM
ive mentioned this before too....ventures look dope and the awake t is one of the best truck t's ever....you can't wear a fucking thunder t.....

I'd murder for an awake T or hoody in black.  You can buy 800,000 different Indy T's in any size at any given time but an Awake T isn't even in the current catalog.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 16, 2017, 05:31:29 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 15, 2017, 11:54:18 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 15, 2017, 09:53:02 PM
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ive mentioned this before too....ventures look dope and the awake t is one of the best truck t's ever....you can't wear a fucking thunder t.....
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I'd murder for an awake T or hoody in black.  You can buy 800,000 different Indy T's in any size at any given time but an Awake T isn't even in the current catalog.

You can get a bootlegged version https://www.redbubble.com/shop/venture+awake+t-shirts (https://www.redbubble.com/shop/venture+awake+t-shirts)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 16, 2017, 07:56:12 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 16, 2017, 05:31:29 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 15, 2017, 11:54:18 PM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on March 15, 2017, 09:53:02 PM
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ive mentioned this before too....ventures look dope and the awake t is one of the best truck t's ever....you can't wear a fucking thunder t.....
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I'd murder for an awake T or hoody in black.  You can buy 800,000 different Indy T's in any size at any given time but an Awake T isn't even in the current catalog.
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You can get a bootlegged version https://www.redbubble.com/shop/venture+awake+t-shirts (https://www.redbubble.com/shop/venture+awake+t-shirts)
Eh, I'm just going to yell at Reed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 16, 2017, 08:14:57 AM
I get how a back catalog truck would cost the company tons...but why not a T....even old Thunder stuff is rad....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 16, 2017, 08:38:06 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on March 15, 2017, 04:00:40 PM
Quote from: 144p on March 15, 2017, 03:26:02 PM
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I was an indy guy for years, tinkered with bushings and tried a bunh of options.
Then to Thunder 149 forged with bones hard bushings with the thin top washer, still felt very unstable but I rolled with it,
trying Venture hi 5.8 with stok everything and I finally feel like I'm not gonna fall off my board everytime I land a trick.
Never even considered them an option until now.

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I feel like despite being apart of the big 3 ventures don't get enough love on SLAP, although it's probably because their wider sized trucks are harder to find. I have some 5.8 Hi V-Hollow Lights which were a bitch to find but I really liked them. They're on my girls cruiser now because I'm on my thunder kick at the moment but yeah, people sleep on venture. Bushings are stiff at firspapa, gust ,t but when they break in they have a nice smooth turn. Not as twitchy/responsive as thunder but I can usually make whatever turn I need to with  them and they maintain their stability jumping down shit or landing fliptricks

Despite having people like prod, westgate, Joslin, gore, papa, gustavo, tpud, watson, and Biebel and what, all of DGK? Venture caters to the 8" and under crowd, finding 8.5" trucks isn't hard (go to socal) but the flavors are dated, you can't get hollow this or that and that is what sells. Who's going to take a plain jane 8.5 Venture over indy standards Let alone Thunders.

I skated a pair of 8" hollow prods and really enjoyed them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 16, 2017, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 16, 2017, 08:38:06 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on March 15, 2017, 04:00:40 PM
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Quote from: 144p on March 15, 2017, 03:26:02 PM
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I was an indy guy for years, tinkered with bushings and tried a bunh of options.
Then to Thunder 149 forged with bones hard bushings with the thin top washer, still felt very unstable but I rolled with it,
trying Venture hi 5.8 with stok everything and I finally feel like I'm not gonna fall off my board everytime I land a trick.
Never even considered them an option until now.

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I feel like despite being apart of the big 3 ventures don't get enough love on SLAP, although it's probably because their wider sized trucks are harder to find. I have some 5.8 Hi V-Hollow Lights which were a bitch to find but I really liked them. They're on my girls cruiser now because I'm on my thunder kick at the moment but yeah, people sleep on venture. Bushings are stiff at firspapa, gust ,t but when they break in they have a nice smooth turn. Not as twitchy/responsive as thunder but I can usually make whatever turn I need to with  them and they maintain their stability jumping down shit or landing fliptricks
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Despite having people like prod, westgate, Joslin, gore, papa, gustavo, tpud, watson, and Biebel and what, all of DGK? Venture caters to the 8" and under crowd, finding 8.5" trucks isn't hard (go to socal) but the flavors are dated, you can't get hollow this or that and that is what sells. Who's going to take a plain jane 8.5 Venture over indy standards Let alone Thunders.

I skated a pair of 8" hollow prods and really enjoyed them.
Me. I'm not worried about 1mm in height or slight differences in weight. I didn't buy "light" trucks until I was well in to my 30s. And the ONLY reason I ever deviated from Venture was this fucking place putting alternative facts and fake news in my head.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on March 16, 2017, 01:07:40 PM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on March 15, 2017, 10:25:12 PM
Quote from: DaveFuck on March 15, 2017, 08:08:11 PM
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Any places selling krux bushings? im using bones mediums in ace 44's and they are cool but i wanna see the hype around krux
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http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=59727 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=59727)

Socal has them for like $6

you the real mvp
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Julz on March 16, 2017, 08:45:10 PM
Quote from: rob on March 14, 2017, 05:31:16 AM
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I feel like going back with Theeves for this summer. Either that or Ace's. I've been skating for 18 years and probably rode Indy's for about 15 of those years and I feel like changing things up.

Never liked the feel of Thunders, HATED Ventures, I traded them for Indy's after 4 days. Loved the turn on Fury's, they turned so much that they took a while to get used to... however I think they're done, I don't remember why I got rid of them. Krux were alright at the time (first Downlo's about 15 years ago), don't know how the K4's are, but the cheap price is sorta swaying me away from them. Usually you get what you pay for.

I had the first edition of Ace's about 10 years ago and don't remember much other than they turned on a dime, but stoned me forgot his board on the bus and never saw it again, I'd love to give those a try again. I had Theeve TiKings about 5 or so years ago and LOVED them, only thing is no local shops carry them, so I'd have to order online. Probably the trucks I've loved just as much as Indy's.

I don't hate Indy at all, I just feel like switching things up.

Anybody skate the newer Theeves ?
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I'm skating the 8.18" tih (V2) but have skated the V3s - they're fantastic, carvy (like ACE) when you want yet stable on center (Thunder) for trick setup. Build quality is top notch as well. Can't go wrong, don't let the haters get to you.

Personally I'm selling everything off (tho keeping one set of ACE and Thunders around just in case) and sticking with 8.25" Indy's/8.18 Theeves, indy's for park and theeves for crusty street as they will grind on anything.
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So true, I love the way the theeves are 8.18 axles so I can swap between 8-8.25 decks without a hassle.

I just quickly looked up the price for a set of TiH... $180 for a pair??!!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 16, 2017, 10:31:55 PM
Only worth it if you have chronic axel slip......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on March 17, 2017, 02:09:47 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 16, 2017, 10:31:55 PM
Only worth it if you have chronic axel slip......

axle slip is my middle name, i need these trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 17, 2017, 09:37:37 AM
I'd say try race reds tightened down so there is 0.0 play on your axel.  If that doesn't work....these trucks.  Make sure you get a width that will work for you because you'll be riding them for awhile.  The titanium never grinds down, and functionally they are a good truck.  They grind good on concrete....not as good on everything else compared to regular trucks.....

I got two set ups with the, wider and narrower.  The main knock is what I've outlined, they also say Theeve, and once you've made the investment you are kinda committed which quietens it but......the madness is never silenced......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 17, 2017, 09:41:22 AM
still super happy with my Ace 55's.  I have zero complaints about them but every single day I have to fight the urge to buy some Indy 159's.  I have no idea why. 

I literally have Indy's sitting in shopping carts at Tactics and Skatewarehouse at all times.  Just begging me to click the purchase button
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on March 17, 2017, 09:49:40 AM
My madness has been quelled for now. I went to my safety net of Venture 5.0s (I stopped kidding myself that I like these wide boards and I got a 7.5. Yes I'm walking on the wild side). I just feel correct on Venture 5.0 and skinny decks ( I have small feet and skinny boards just feel right to me). I also got some half cabs so I stopped my shoe crisis as well. I feel content until I post in here in 3 weeks debating Ranalli/Tracker and Airwalks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on March 17, 2017, 09:52:19 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 17, 2017, 09:41:22 AM
still super happy with my Ace 55's.  I have zero complaints about them but every single day I have to fight the urge to buy some Indy 159's.  I have no idea why. 

I literally have Indy's sitting in shopping carts at Tactics and Skatewarehouse at all times.  Just begging me to click the purchase button

The pull to Indy is rough. I almost caved last week but a few decent sessions on my Ventures and I calmed down. If they stayed at stage 7, it wouldn't have ever been a question of which trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 17, 2017, 10:18:29 AM
I think after you skate ACES....and like em....an Indy feels sluggish.  As long as you're good with the widths....

Respect Fang....the 7.5 is the new shaped retro cruiser.....i sized up to an 8 out of necessity...but still consider myself in the over 40 under 8 club.  I still poke around for Motobilts from time to time.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on March 17, 2017, 10:31:53 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 17, 2017, 10:18:29 AM
I think after you skate ACES....and like em....an Indy feels sluggish.  As long as you're good with the widths....

Respect Fang....the 7.5 is the new shaped retro cruiser.....i sized up to an 8 out of necessity...but still consider myself in the over 40 under 8 club.  I still poke around for Motobilts from time to time.....

I hardly ever get time to skate so trying to convert to large boards / different trucks and shoes is too much to handle. Realizing I'm not into what's in style and just doing what I like (I seriously skate by myself now. No one wants to deal with scheduling around my 2 year Olds sleep patterns). So I'm just like yeah fine .. I'll skate familiar stuff. I've resisted the wide deck but I tried it, I think my nostalgia to small boards is too strong

I'd love to have a museum of old trucks. Those Tracker ultra lights were real popular when I was 10 (1986). I couldn't dig them at all. I had indy 169s on a giant Rob Roskopp. In hindsight though I wish I would have tried more trucks as a young guy. G & S trucks looked so weird but interesting. I never tried grind king either. That inverted kingpin made it look like a kids toy to me for some reason.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 17, 2017, 10:43:11 AM
I've settled on Indy 144s (or Theeve 8.18") but keeping a setup of ACE 44s, with mag plates around just in case I want to setup something wider in the future. Otherwise it's bye bye to everything else, decks or trucks, that are 8" or 8.5" (still a few sets of thunders to sell off and a set of Krux); I'm locking back into 8.25s now that I found a deck that works for [me on] everything.

The theeves cured my flip flopping on 139/147 - 149 issue on 8.25s once I was used to them (height specifically) so I nabbed some Kremer 144 hollows and I've not turned back/had the desire to swap. They feel awesome on everything and I actually enjoy the feel of the small amount of extra weight and solid feel the cast plates provide (like they did with thunders); the board no longer feels tinny or thin feeling.

Luckily (?) my wheel ocd is still there ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 17, 2017, 01:07:47 PM
I feel like I've quelled the madness for the time being with my 149 Thunder Ti's w/ cast baseplate & krux hollow downlow kingpin. My only gripe with thunder Ti's is the frequent wheelbite & kingpin clearance. The higher baseplate has kept the wheelbite away and the kingpin obviously never snags now so theyre like the perfect truck for me. I've always skated well on thunders and while I can pop pretty much any kind of setup fairly high, I like their responsiveness when I pop the tail. Makes it easy to do those weird tricks/lines where you gotta do couple small ollies in a row. Gonna try to grind these to the axel (got a nice deep crooked grind groove already) then probably try some theeve v3s next, since I loved my v2's until I started having the defects that were common on those versions at the time.

I can see why people fuck with Indy so hard tho I actually really liked the titaniums I skated a couple years ago (excellent stability on landings, nice strong grinding feel) but they're just too heavy for me, even the Ti's. I don't think one lightweight component on your board is gonna make or break you but I do feel like a combination of a lot of little things definitely helps your board flip better overall (I even got titanium hardware to cut down on weight), even if only by a small margin. If Indy made a slimmer truck with the same geometry I'd be highly interested, but it's hard to want to skate something I know is considerably heavier than any of my usual picks, especially titanium thunders thatre probably the lightest truck you can get that isn't shit (thank you BMCSteve for that big ass truck spreadsheet, what has been seen cannot be undone)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 17, 2017, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: fang on March 17, 2017, 10:31:53 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 17, 2017, 10:18:29 AM
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I think after you skate ACES....and like em....an Indy feels sluggish.  As long as you're good with the widths....

Respect Fang....the 7.5 is the new shaped retro cruiser.....i sized up to an 8 out of necessity...but still consider myself in the over 40 under 8 club.  I still poke around for Motobilts from time to time.....
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I hardly ever get time to skate so trying to convert to large boards / different trucks and shoes is too much to handle. Realizing I'm not into what's in style and just doing what I like (I seriously skate by myself now. No one wants to deal with scheduling around my 2 year Olds sleep patterns). So I'm just like yeah fine .. I'll skate familiar stuff. I've resisted the wide deck but I tried it, I think my nostalgia to small boards is too strong

I'd love to have a museum of old trucks. Those Tracker ultra lights were real popular when I was 10 (1986). I couldn't dig them at all. I had indy 169s on a giant Rob Roskopp. In hindsight though I wish I would have tried more trucks as a young guy. G & S trucks looked so weird but interesting. I never tried grind king either. That inverted kingpin made it look like a kids toy to me for some reason.

You forgot the street shadows......I skated the G&S and loved em...they'd grind anything.  They became the San Diego truck co. 

I totally get why people skate Thunders.....you ever try a nollie heel and your nose doesn't pop?  That never happens w Thunders....it pops all the time....it's fast because of the geometry.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dima on March 17, 2017, 04:26:15 PM
how do people skate thunders(low trucks in general)and dont get annoyed by the wheelbite?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 17, 2017, 05:56:27 PM
Quote from: fang on March 17, 2017, 10:31:53 AM

I'd love to have a museum of old trucks. Those Tracker ultra lights were real popular when I was 10 (1986). I couldn't dig them at all. I had indy 169s on a giant Rob Roskopp. In hindsight though I wish I would have tried more trucks as a young guy. G & S trucks looked so weird but interesting. I never tried grind king either. That inverted kingpin made it look like a kids toy to me for some reason.

I still remember that fateful day that Mike McGill Convinced me to set up my Corey O'Brien with plastic baseplated Trackers... bastard.

All I can say, any time I've tried a truck that isn't from the Indy Family tree, I've regretted it horribly. Indy, Thunder, Ace for me. I'd ride Krux or Venture if I had to but thats it. Never tried lows of any form, never plan on it. I'm not opposed to hollow trucks and forged base plates but they've never helped me from what I can tell.
Although anodized Stage Vs were great and Ace Copper trucks often tempt me I can't do coloured trucks or truck graphics, silver, raw, maybe black.
88a Indy aftermarkets, stock Thunder whites and Krux bushings only. I always keep the washers on. Risers can often make certain trucks turn better. Wide and loose is how I like them. Axle width ALWAYS within +/- 1/4" of deck width.
That's all I've got from 30+ years of skateboarding.

I give a lot of used skate stuff away but never trucks. I'm saving all my Thunders/ Indys that have the Made in USA stamp on them... not sure why but I'm compelled to.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chavo on March 17, 2017, 07:31:15 PM
Quote from: fang on March 17, 2017, 10:31:53 AM
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I think after you skate ACES....and like em....an Indy feels sluggish.  As long as you're good with the widths....

Respect Fang....the 7.5 is the new shaped retro cruiser.....i sized up to an 8 out of necessity...but still consider myself in the over 40 under 8 club.  I still poke around for Motobilts from time to time.....
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I hardly ever get time to skate so trying to convert to large boards / different trucks and shoes is too much to handle. Realizing I'm not into what's in style and just doing what I like (I seriously skate by myself now. No one wants to deal with scheduling around my 2 year Olds sleep patterns). So I'm just like yeah fine .. I'll skate familiar stuff. I've resisted the wide deck but I tried it, I think my nostalgia to small boards is too strong

I'd love to have a museum of old trucks. Those Tracker ultra lights were real popular when I was 10 (1986). I couldn't dig them at all. I had indy 169s on a giant Rob Roskopp. In hindsight though I wish I would have tried more trucks as a young guy. G & S trucks looked so weird but interesting. I never tried grind king either. That inverted kingpin made it look like a kids toy to me for some reason.

You didn't miss anything. I tried many trucks, from Gullwing Mach IV Graphite to Motobilt, and most were shit during the mid-80s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on March 17, 2017, 10:47:23 PM
Quote from: Dima on March 17, 2017, 04:26:15 PM
how do people skate thunders(low trucks in general)and dont get annoyed by the wheelbite?

I have a cruiser set up with thunder his, risers and 56 mm wheels and it's the same height as my board with standard indys, no risers and 53 mm wheels. thunder los must give almost no clearance at all. it's a wonder people can skate them. but they do turn pretty stiff compared to indys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 17, 2017, 11:15:51 PM
Quote from: Dima on March 17, 2017, 04:26:15 PM
how do people skate thunders(low trucks in general)and dont get annoyed by the wheelbite?

Yah....I skate those theeves with a shock pad....skate trucks solid medium....don't weigh anything.....don't skate anything remotely big..and I get wheelbite all the time.....may be skill related....

Just dawned on me to ride what?  Hard lower soft upper?  What was the right combo?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on March 18, 2017, 08:24:13 AM
Quote from: Dima on March 17, 2017, 04:26:15 PM
how do people skate thunders(low trucks in general)and dont get annoyed by the wheelbite?

I skate lows (loose), and I can tell you I'd probably stick a lot more tricks if I didn't. I can definitely say for certain that the turning radius really matters in these regards. Thunder lows (which I love) have the sort of radius where I find it nearly impossible to ride away on anything that isn't perfectly balanced. Ace lows I get much less dig, and have a little more space to "fudge it".

I prefer the pop of the thunders, but wheelbite can be a monster.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on March 18, 2017, 11:07:34 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 17, 2017, 11:15:51 PM
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how do people skate thunders(low trucks in general)and dont get annoyed by the wheelbite?
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Yah....I skate those theeves with a shock pad....skate trucks solid medium....don't weigh anything.....don't skate anything remotely big..and I get wheelbite all the time.....may be skill related....

Just dawned on me to ride what?  Hard lower soft upper?  What was the right combo?

Meh, I have shit balance. I should also add that I've never had as much wheelbite as skating Thunder His. But I've also been running them looser than usual...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 18, 2017, 12:20:26 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 17, 2017, 11:15:51 PM
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how do people skate thunders(low trucks in general)and dont get annoyed by the wheelbite?
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Yah....I skate those theeves with a shock pad....skate trucks solid medium....don't weigh anything.....don't skate anything remotely big..and I get wheelbite all the time.....may be skill related....

Just dawned on me to ride what?  Hard lower soft upper?  What was the right combo?

Thunder have great pop, ollies feel so good but I ride loose/carvy and they give me major wheel bite the way I ride with anything over 51mm; my current indys bite almost instantly too tho with 88a bushings and 52s.

Most people don't get (or care) that the boardside/bottom washer is what gives you your main stability and the top bushing is where the quick/fast turns come from (bottoms come into play when you lean super deep).

I tend to go harder bottom softer top when I ride bones bushings in thunders/indys.

Also, every bushing breaks in, settles on the duro below it anyway, e.g. skate a bones hard long enough and it will break into a 'permanent medium'.

Best to just try a bunch of shit out based on how loos/tight your ride and your terrain.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dima on March 18, 2017, 05:52:15 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 18, 2017, 12:20:26 PM
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how do people skate thunders(low trucks in general)and dont get annoyed by the wheelbite?
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Yah....I skate those theeves with a shock pad....skate trucks solid medium....don't weigh anything.....don't skate anything remotely big..and I get wheelbite all the time.....may be skill related....

Just dawned on me to ride what?  Hard lower soft upper?  What was the right combo?
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Thunder have great pop, ollies feel so good but I ride loose/carvy and they give me major wheel bite the way I ride with anything over 51mm; my current indys bite almost instantly too tho with 88a bushings and 52s.

Most people don't get (or care) that the boardside/bottom washer is what gives you your main stability and the top bushing is where the quick/fast turns come from (bottoms come into play when you lean super deep).

I tend to go harder bottom softer top when I ride bones bushings in thunders/indys.

Also, every bushing breaks in, settles on the duro below it anyway, e.g. skate a bones hard long enough and it will break into a 'permanent medium'.

Best to just try a bunch of shit out based on how loos/tight your ride and your terrain.

so what I understand from this it would be better to leave the bottom washer on and get rid of the top one cause I ride my forged indys that loose that if I have both washers on the nut keeps coming off so at least need to have the either or of the washers...cause im struggling with the stability at times but love the turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on March 19, 2017, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 17, 2017, 01:57:47 PM
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I think after you skate ACES....and like em....an Indy feels sluggish.  As long as you're good with the widths....

Respect Fang....the 7.5 is the new shaped retro cruiser.....i sized up to an 8 out of necessity...but still consider myself in the over 40 under 8 club.  I still poke around for Motobilts from time to time.....
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I hardly ever get time to skate so trying to convert to large boards / different trucks and shoes is too much to handle. Realizing I'm not into what's in style and just doing what I like (I seriously skate by myself now. No one wants to deal with scheduling around my 2 year Olds sleep patterns). So I'm just like yeah fine .. I'll skate familiar stuff. I've resisted the wide deck but I tried it, I think my nostalgia to small boards is too strong

I'd love to have a museum of old trucks. Those Tracker ultra lights were real popular when I was 10 (1986). I couldn't dig them at all. I had indy 169s on a giant Rob Roskopp. In hindsight though I wish I would have tried more trucks as a young guy. G & S trucks looked so weird but interesting. I never tried grind king either. That inverted kingpin made it look like a kids toy to me for some reason.
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You forgot the street shadows......I skated the G&S and loved em...they'd grind anything.  They became the San Diego truck co. 

I totally get why people skate Thunders.....you ever try a nollie heel and your nose doesn't pop?  That never happens w Thunders....it pops all the time....it's fast because of the geometry.....

Whoa, those things are still out there: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-VTG-San-Diego-Old-School-4130-Chromoly-Bronze-Black-Skateboard-Trucks-8-75-/311737684628?hash=item4895039294:g:n1gAAOSwKOJYI0rV (http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-VTG-San-Diego-Old-School-4130-Chromoly-Bronze-Black-Skateboard-Trucks-8-75-/311737684628?hash=item4895039294:g:n1gAAOSwKOJYI0rV)

Wish I could try em.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 19, 2017, 06:54:08 PM
As tech as they appear....I think bill Danforth designed them.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 256 Ply on March 20, 2017, 01:50:48 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 19, 2017, 06:54:08 PM
As tech as they appear....I think bill Danforth designed them.....

Danforth designed the G&S Road Hawg, a conventional aluminum truck.

I've ridden San Diego trucks, and they could grind and slappy like you couldn't believe. They even felt great on steel coping.

Here's an in-depth article on steel trucks:
Who Killed the Chromoly Truck?
http://skateandannoy.com/features/who-killed-the-chromoly-truck/ (http://skateandannoy.com/features/who-killed-the-chromoly-truck/)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on March 22, 2017, 06:09:43 AM
Can someone make a gif from the Cody Mac Tensor ad I just saw here on Slap?

"Stoked to be riding Tensors" quote  ---> most unstoked looking face ever.




I'm tempted to try the new 8.25 Indys although I have a pair of garage sale Stage 7 or 8 146s in my basement  which are probably the same thing (but heavier with potential axle slip issues)

I like the wheel clearance and wheelbase of my Venture Highs although sometimes I just feel super squirrelly on them. At this point though I reckon Indys are going to feel super slow turning.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on March 22, 2017, 07:51:41 AM
do thunders ever break in? I've ridden this set like 7 or 8 times and they are incredibly stiff still. if I try to slightly lean/carve while pushing the trucks stay straight and I feel like I'm going to fall off sideways. do a lot of people use different bushings with these? I still have the stock ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on March 22, 2017, 08:03:49 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on March 22, 2017, 07:51:41 AM
do thunders ever break in? I've ridden this set like 7 or 8 times and they are incredibly stiff still. if I try to slightly lean/carve while pushing the trucks stay straight and I feel like I'm going to fall off sideways. do a lot of people use different bushings with these? I still have the stock ones.
Short answer. Yes, they break in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 22, 2017, 08:09:58 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on March 22, 2017, 07:51:41 AM
do thunders ever break in? I've ridden this set like 7 or 8 times and they are incredibly stiff still. if I try to slightly lean/carve while pushing the trucks stay straight and I feel like I'm going to fall off sideways. do a lot of people use different bushings with these? I still have the stock ones.

Couple quick things that I do when breaking in new trucks -

Put a drop of lube in the pivot cup
Loosen the trucks so the nut is only like half threaded and just carve around for 20 minutes

Doing both of these will soften the pivot cup and set the rebound of the trucks.  doing this I've never broken a pivot cup and never cracked a bushing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 22, 2017, 09:14:53 AM
just put my 151s back on... and landed my first 360 flip in months... hmmmm....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 22, 2017, 05:29:00 PM
Quote from: Cherb on March 22, 2017, 08:03:49 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on March 22, 2017, 07:51:41 AM
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do thunders ever break in? I've ridden this set like 7 or 8 times and they are incredibly stiff still. if I try to slightly lean/carve while pushing the trucks stay straight and I feel like I'm going to fall off sideways. do a lot of people use different bushings with these? I still have the stock ones.
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Short answer. Yes, they break in.

THIS! I followed SLAP's advice to a T and they broke in perfectly 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on March 22, 2017, 06:01:44 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 22, 2017, 08:09:58 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on March 22, 2017, 07:51:41 AM
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do thunders ever break in? I've ridden this set like 7 or 8 times and they are incredibly stiff still. if I try to slightly lean/carve while pushing the trucks stay straight and I feel like I'm going to fall off sideways. do a lot of people use different bushings with these? I still have the stock ones.
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Couple quick things that I do when breaking in new trucks -

Put a drop of lube in the pivot cup
Loosen the trucks so the nut is only like half threaded and just carve around for 20 minutes

Doing both of these will soften the pivot cup and set the rebound of the trucks.  doing this I've never broken a pivot cup and never cracked a bushing


i always use these http://www.kickpush.com.au/assets/full/THUNDERBUSHINGS94.jpg (http://www.kickpush.com.au/assets/full/THUNDERBUSHINGS94.jpg)

and they feel fine after 2-3 times. for me i weigh about 130 pounds so the 90duro stock is too soft for me and i gotta crank em down to make em feel right which fucks with my turning. the 94 works perfect for me on all thunder hi's
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on March 22, 2017, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: fulfillthedream on March 22, 2017, 06:01:44 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 22, 2017, 08:09:58 AM
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Quote from: ChuckRamone on March 22, 2017, 07:51:41 AM
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do thunders ever break in? I've ridden this set like 7 or 8 times and they are incredibly stiff still. if I try to slightly lean/carve while pushing the trucks stay straight and I feel like I'm going to fall off sideways. do a lot of people use different bushings with these? I still have the stock ones.
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Couple quick things that I do when breaking in new trucks -

Put a drop of lube in the pivot cup
Loosen the trucks so the nut is only like half threaded and just carve around for 20 minutes

Doing both of these will soften the pivot cup and set the rebound of the trucks.  doing this I've never broken a pivot cup and never cracked a bushing
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i always use these http://www.kickpush.com.au/assets/full/THUNDERBUSHINGS94.jpg (http://www.kickpush.com.au/assets/full/THUNDERBUSHINGS94.jpg)

and they feel fine after 2-3 times. for me i weigh about 130 pounds so the 90duro stock is too soft for me 
Lol it sounds like you're saying 130 is a lot. I weigh 150 and I love em.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 23, 2017, 07:59:14 AM
I'm 190-200 lbs. Ride 54 - 56mm wheels on my Thunder 151s with stock bushings loose as possible. With 1/8" risers I get wheel bite but rarely enough to pitch me off the board. You light weight youngsters... you'll be ok....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on March 23, 2017, 02:55:35 PM
Quote from: N.L. on March 23, 2017, 07:59:14 AM
I'm 190-200 lbs. Ride 54 - 56mm wheels on my Thunder 151s with stock bushings loose as possible. With 1/8" risers I get wheel bite but rarely enough to pitch me off the board. You light weight youngsters... you'll be ok....

I'm only 160ish but when I tried Thunder 149s I totally got pitched. It wasn't as bad with risers but it was still worse than with other trucks I've tried.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 2thick on March 23, 2017, 04:56:07 PM
recently set up some thunder 149s with hollow kingpin and axle. I have definitely gotten more wheel bite than with my indys, but overall I'm way more satisfied with them- weird because I was Indy for life  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on March 23, 2017, 07:23:54 PM
Finally got a chance to put Krux Bushings on my Ace 44's and i couldn't be happier. very much worth
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on March 23, 2017, 07:41:09 PM
been a long time, but went back to a double washer set-up, on thunders(149 team plate) with the white thunder bushings, and nuts barely on(hoping the bushings squish down more so i can get more securely fastened) seems nice, easier on the knee tendons to have some stability in the middle, years of play in the middle i feel have been a bit hard on my leading knee...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 23, 2017, 10:07:36 PM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on March 23, 2017, 07:41:09 PM
been a long time, but went back to a double washer set-up, on thunders(149 team plate) with the white thunder bushings, and nuts barely on(hoping the bushings squish down more so i can get more securely fastened) seems nice, easier on the knee tendons to have some stability in the middle, years of play in the middle i feel have been a bit hard on my leading knee...

Is that way it is? My lead (left) knee, is just weird, like 6-8 months, something on top across the knee cap when ever I bend oddly for ollies or trick setups (I also can't squat deep anymore either unless I really focus on foot position and pushing into my heels). Never thought it to be sk8 related.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on March 24, 2017, 04:00:32 PM
its seems to me to be related, the more more stable set-up seems to make a lot of difference, shit was just hurting everytime, increasingly only switch pushing... feels much better but also have been resting by way of weather
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: christ0v on March 25, 2017, 12:45:07 PM
I'm gettin wheelbite on my standard stage 11 149s, with 53mm wheels. Should i change something ? I ride them loose but not wobbling loose. More like medium loose.  Maybe harder bushings ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on March 25, 2017, 12:59:50 PM
Quote from: christ0v on March 25, 2017, 12:45:07 PM
I'm gettin wheelbite on my standard stage 11 149s, with 53mm wheels. Should i change something ? I ride them loose but not wobbling loose. More like medium loose.  Maybe harder bushings ?

I'd say that wheelbite with Indys isn't completely avoidable. I ride 54 mm wheels with 149s and Bones hard and get wheelbite if I land wonky enough even when the wheels are worn down to about 50 mm. Much harder to get wheelbite with my other set up with 54 mm wheels and Ace 44 with Ace stock bottom and Bones medium top. With Krux you'll never get wheelbite. They'll stop turning deeper before that. You can ride on two wheels (on the same side) with them with 54 mm wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: christ0v on March 25, 2017, 01:30:40 PM
and i was thinking about getting thunders next...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on March 25, 2017, 11:13:44 PM
Quote from: christ0v on March 25, 2017, 12:45:07 PM
I'm gettin wheelbite on my standard stage 11 149s, with 53mm wheels. Should i change something ? I ride them loose but not wobbling loose. More like medium loose.  Maybe harder bushings ?

Wax your wheel wells and your good to go, imo trucks don't turn properly if you don't get little wheelbite here and there...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: danjtony on March 25, 2017, 11:19:21 PM
Thunders with 1/8th riser is perfect for me. Makes them about the same height as standard Indy's, but you can set em as loose as they'll go stock and they won't bite at all with 54mm wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: christ0v on March 26, 2017, 01:17:45 AM
Ohh, thanks for the advice
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on March 26, 2017, 07:55:49 PM
Switching from Thunder to Indys is weird. I have switched to finger tight front truck and it surprises me. I should also note that before loosening them I started hearing a weird rattling noise and I have 1/8 risers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 26, 2017, 10:10:06 PM
Quote from: danjtony on March 25, 2017, 11:19:21 PM
Thunders with 1/8th riser is perfect for me. Makes them about the same height as standard Indy's, but you can set em as loose as they'll go stock and they won't bite at all with 54mm wheels.
basically this is my setup. not easy to adjust from when coming off indies but these days it's feeling a lot better (and hardly ever wheel bites)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 27, 2017, 05:30:36 AM
Tried ace 44

I'd say they're about up to par with Indy 149's buttttt...

In the end I still choose thunders cause they do what I need

Handle the rough street terrain well without losing stability
Soliddddd (not all delicate, thin and flimsy feeling)
Stay nice and centered for trick setup
Turn fast
Light weight even for standard team version

The ace high models kinda confuse me though cause I noticed the roadside/top smaller bushing is kinda big. I swapped it with my normal sized ace low top bushing and kept the ace high cylinder bottom and they seemed more stable and had more clearance. I don't understand why ace had to make the top bushing on the highs so big when it's really just the bottom bushing that sets the geo right in place

Also to all the Indy fans I'll say, 149 are the right Indy if you ride anything 8 and up, the 139 feel so unstable with the height. I'm sure the 144 are probably best though for decks 8-8.5 or 149 for a more stable 8.25-8.6
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 27, 2017, 09:21:21 AM
How'd you guys miss this?

(http://www.dlxsf.com/_images/_ads/0517/th.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 27, 2017, 09:26:15 AM
I like the orange bushings but I wonder how perfect these are supposed to line up with a deluxe 8.25 board cause my 147 are almost perfect with my real 8.25 and my 149ers only stick out a tiny bit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on March 27, 2017, 09:29:19 AM
Fuck yes, I knew Indy's 8.25 would force thunder to do the same. 148 team hollows are pretty much my dream truck. I wonder if they're going with the 147 or 149II height? Maybe something in between???
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: commander jameson on March 28, 2017, 02:30:15 AM
I just switched to Thunder Hi Titaniums 147 after riding Independent trucks for last 15 years.
Last Indys I rode were forged hollows 129 as I'm still on 7.75 - 7.8 decks and I must say that I'm blown away how good these Thunders are, got used to them after three sessions, ran them stock everything.
They are very stable (I think because they are wider then my old 129s) yet they turn when I want them to.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 28, 2017, 03:31:08 AM
Quote from: commander jameson on March 28, 2017, 02:30:15 AM
I just switched to Thunder Hi Titaniums 147 after riding Independent trucks for last 15 years.
Last Indys I rode were forged hollows 129 as I'm still on 7.75 - 7.8 decks and I must say that I'm blown away how good these Thunders are, got used to them after three sessions, ran them stock everything.
They are very stable (I think because they are wider then my old 129s) yet they turn when I want them to.

And that's why even after trying almost every truck I always go back to the classic 147 hi. They're light, stable, turn fast/respond fast, and solid.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: commander jameson on March 28, 2017, 05:02:56 AM
Quote from: rob on March 28, 2017, 03:31:08 AM
Quote from: commander jameson on March 28, 2017, 02:30:15 AM
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I just switched to Thunder Hi Titaniums 147 after riding Independent trucks for last 15 years.
Last Indys I rode were forged hollows 129 as I'm still on 7.75 - 7.8 decks and I must say that I'm blown away how good these Thunders are, got used to them after three sessions, ran them stock everything.
They are very stable (I think because they are wider then my old 129s) yet they turn when I want them to.
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And that's why even after trying almost every truck I always go back to the classic 147 hi. They're light, stable, turn fast/respond fast, and solid.



I rode Thunders on and off around '97 to '01.
When I got these new ones I asked myself why I stopped riding them in the first place.
Pretty sure I stopped riding lows because of kingpin clearance, not sure why I stopped riding high, maybe because baseplates would crack after some time. I remember that was thing with Thunders back then.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on April 04, 2017, 06:35:33 PM
Hello fellow pals. I bought some Indy titaniums for the first time and skated them today. I'm using Bones hard bushings with no washers and they're super wobbly when I shake my board. I can turn really good yet the hard durometer wont allow me to wheelbite no matter how hard I turn, which is nice. The forged baseplate should prevent the kingpin from coming loose, too. Could be all in my head but these seem to grind a lot smoother and longer than regular cast Indy's. Overall I'd say they're worth the price.

However, even riding these Indy's with a wobble looseness, they still don't turn with that extra fast sharpness and control when you need it like Ace, but I'm getting tired of their bad quality control. So if anyone is curious about the titaniums and has the money, I'd say pull the trigger. I have no doubt these trucks will last a very long time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 05, 2017, 12:06:17 AM
but isnt the titanium indy just a titanium axle rod in the cast hangar ?

hey does anyone ride no roadside/top bushing WASHER ? ive been curious and tried it myself cause i saw some setups that either have no washers or just the top(NOT big bottom) washer removed and this kid who rips told me it turns better, and i noticed it does give a more free feeling carve and turn so i cant argue but am wondering does anyone else do this

im just worried about the inedible kingpin nut digging into the bushing, but why care when i got plenty of bushings for years haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on April 05, 2017, 06:45:48 AM
In my experience:
bones hard with no washers= carvy and wobbly but chill, but the top bushing plastic gets fucked

bones soft or med no washers= unpredictable wheelbite, lots of slams...

aftermrkt(indy thunder) hards top washer only= real nice carvy turn kinda, but not as stable

never tried pure urethane with no washers, but i assume it would hurt



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fuddit on April 05, 2017, 08:50:36 AM
I'm rocking with the standard indy 149 stage 11s, orange indy low bushings, and some 1/4 inch risers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on April 05, 2017, 11:01:33 AM
Quote from: rob on April 05, 2017, 12:06:17 AM
but isnt the titanium indy just a titanium axle rod in the cast hangar ?

hey does anyone ride no roadside/top bushing WASHER ? ive been curious and tried it myself cause i saw some setups that either have no washers or just the top(NOT big bottom) washer removed and this kid who rips told me it turns better, and i noticed it does give a more free feeling carve and turn so i cant argue but am wondering does anyone else do this

im just worried about the inedible kingpin nut digging into the bushing, but why care when i got plenty of bushings for years haha

Better get an edible nut then.
(http://www.holisti.fi/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Pahkinat-ruokavaliossa.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 05, 2017, 12:36:39 PM
I just went deaf ears and ordered the krux 8.25.
But I have an excuse. I have my axles so fucked up on my indys that it was a pain in the ass to take the wheels out but it was damn impossible to get the wheels on again. Even after trying to get the reflex tool to rethreat them, it just wouldnt catch because I had to sand the edges to take the wheels out. I just could put one wheel back on and the other I rethread it crooked so its fucked forever, the other 2's I cant even rethread. I just spent too much money on stuff this month already and the krux were the cheapest option and I was always curious about them so lets see if they are that bad (I hope not).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: micky682 on April 05, 2017, 02:43:21 PM
I think your best bet is to buy Indys and Spitefire F4s a size or two bigger than your usual and just hope to god you don't get a flat spot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 05, 2017, 03:19:34 PM
Quote from: Roisto on April 05, 2017, 11:01:33 AM
Quote from: rob on April 05, 2017, 12:06:17 AM
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but isnt the titanium indy just a titanium axle rod in the cast hangar ?

hey does anyone ride no roadside/top bushing WASHER ? ive been curious and tried it myself cause i saw some setups that either have no washers or just the top(NOT big bottom) washer removed and this kid who rips told me it turns better, and i noticed it does give a more free feeling carve and turn so i cant argue but am wondering does anyone else do this

im just worried about the inedible kingpin nut digging into the bushing, but why care when i got plenty of bushings for years haha
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Better get an edible nut then.
(http://www.holisti.fi/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Pahkinat-ruokavaliossa.png)

Haha got me, *inevitable
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bumpovertrash on April 06, 2017, 02:53:20 AM
Riding doomsayers indies that are not hollow or any of that shit with bones soft. Kinda bummed cuz my bottom bushings are already all fucked and torn after two months. I ride em about as loose as they can be without having the shakes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Creed Bratton on April 06, 2017, 10:37:33 PM
Quote from: N.L. on March 27, 2017, 09:21:21 AM
How'd you guys miss this?

(http://www.dlxsf.com/_images/_ads/0517/th.jpg)

When are these coming out??
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 06, 2017, 11:54:54 PM
I was messing around w my trucks and I might try a tih hanger on an ace baseplate.....it'll help in that it'll prevent my trucks from saying THEEVE on them......for real..if it works.....maglight baseplate?  Krux king pin and bushings......It's alive.....alive!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on April 07, 2017, 12:07:19 AM
Quote from: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 05, 2017, 12:36:39 PM
I just went deaf ears and ordered the krux 8.25.
But I have an excuse. I have my axles so fucked up on my indys that it was a pain in the ass to take the wheels out but it was damn impossible to get the wheels on again. Even after trying to get the reflex tool to rethreat them, it just wouldnt catch because I had to sand the edges to take the wheels out. I just could put one wheel back on and the other I rethread it crooked so its fucked forever, the other 2's I cant even rethread. I just spent too much money on stuff this month already and the krux were the cheapest option and I was always curious about them so lets see if they are that bad (I hope not).
You should try to put two washers on axle side (with some wheels i even managed to fit three) to get your nut flush with axle to prevent messing threads. After someone told me to do this I haven't had any issues with changing wheels/bearings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on April 07, 2017, 06:11:29 AM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  link=topic=88869.msg2629112#msg2629112 date=1491548839
Quote from: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 05, 2017, 12:36:39 PM
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I just went deaf ears and ordered the krux 8.25.
But I have an excuse. I have my axles so fucked up on my indys that it was a pain in the ass to take the wheels out but it was damn impossible to get the wheels on again. Even after trying to get the reflex tool to rethreat them, it just wouldnt catch because I had to sand the edges to take the wheels out. I just could put one wheel back on and the other I rethread it crooked so its fucked forever, the other 2's I cant even rethread. I just spent too much money on stuff this month already and the krux were the cheapest option and I was always curious about them so lets see if they are that bad (I hope not).
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You should try to put two washers on axle side (with some wheels i even managed to fit three) to get your nut flush with axle to prevent messing threads. After someone told me to do this I haven't had any issues with changing wheels/bearings.


here is the one and only solution to all your problems guys

(https://s30.postimg.org/akj1057p9/chrome-acorn-nuts.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/akj1057p9/)

not exactly kidding
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 07, 2017, 06:58:15 AM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  link=topic=88869.msg2629112#msg2629112 date=1491548839
Quote from: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 05, 2017, 12:36:39 PM
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I just went deaf ears and ordered the krux 8.25.
But I have an excuse. I have my axles so fucked up on my indys that it was a pain in the ass to take the wheels out but it was damn impossible to get the wheels on again. Even after trying to get the reflex tool to rethreat them, it just wouldnt catch because I had to sand the edges to take the wheels out. I just could put one wheel back on and the other I rethread it crooked so its fucked forever, the other 2's I cant even rethread. I just spent too much money on stuff this month already and the krux were the cheapest option and I was always curious about them so lets see if they are that bad (I hope not).
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You should try to put two washers on axle side (with some wheels i even managed to fit three) to get your nut flush with axle to prevent messing threads. After someone told me to do this I haven't had any issues with changing wheels/bearings.

I did that, seriously, I never let my axle get exposed, I always let it flush with washers on the inside. But after having the wheels for about 1+ year I just went through the nuts to the axle. It didn't looked that bad, till I tried to unscrew them! ahah
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rails on April 08, 2017, 06:04:02 PM
136 Independent trucks stage viii. Bones top washer, orange Independent top bushing, yellow Bones bottom bushing, Independent bottom washer.

(http://i.imgur.com/zPdNs0Q.jpg?1) (http://i.imgur.com/cvknXQz.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 11, 2017, 12:43:17 PM
So I finally got the krux 5.25 and had a little session to try them out. They are the Pyramid Country ones (forged too). I didnt used a painted pair of trucks in a couple of years but they were on sale and I found the graphic funny so I dont mind it that much.

(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag474/miguelsk8/Mobile%20Uploads/20170411_200439_zpsl7l9cjhm.jpg)

First impression is pretty positive actually. I changed the bushings for the medium indy ones I was using before and they felt almost broken in instantly.
I ride medium/loose trucks (I guess) and they turn quite good and are responsive. They felt some miliseconds slower than my old indys but I think it is because the pivot cups are new still, nothing that throws me off tho.
The turn is deep also, not as deep as the old indy's but I think it's because the kingpin yoke is not worn out as much. On the Krux is still perfectly round and on the indys is almost oval because of the use (see below), so when I make sharp turns the krux stop at a point when the Indys can go a little deeper, but not a huge difference, they still turn great.
They are a little higher too, at 55mm, when the indys (forged light ones) were like 52 I think, and even with new 53mm wheels I couldnt get any wheelbite at all. I was landing some treflips on my front trucks that should had stopped and I kept rolling no problem. I actually feel that I was popping stuff higher too.
I only grinded the skatepark metal ledge, so I cant really tell how they grind but they felt really smooth.
All in all I had a quite good session for a "new trucks session" so I'm stocked on them. 
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag474/miguelsk8/Mobile%20Uploads/20170411_200736_zpsiszirqfy.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on April 11, 2017, 12:57:39 PM
Krux bushings>every other bushing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 11, 2017, 01:04:36 PM
Quote from: Cherb on April 11, 2017, 12:57:39 PM
Krux bushings>every other bushing

I tried them for a little but they werent turning as I wanted. Had a slower response, probably because they arent broken in so I just changed for the Indy aftermarket ones I was using and are still in good shape, they felt a lot better. Are the krux ones that good that is worth the break in period?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on April 11, 2017, 04:05:20 PM
Nah if you already tried them and didn't like them as much than I wouldn't worry about it because there is virtually no break in period for them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on April 16, 2017, 03:22:12 PM
About indy stage xi:
1) is this true that the "new geometry " is based on stage v - vii geometry?
2) anyone have what the difference on geometry from stage x to Xi actually is?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 16, 2017, 05:14:12 PM
Quote from: fang on April 16, 2017, 03:22:12 PM
About indy stage xi:
1) is this true that the "new geometry " is based on stage v - vii geometry?
2) anyone have what the difference on geometry from stage x to Xi actually is?


No one really knows for sure but that is what Indy told everyone - the biggest and most noticeable is the wider hanger cavity that prevents the top washer and hanger from binding like it did on the Stage Xs, and that they're taller.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 16, 2017, 07:55:44 PM
Quote from: fang on April 16, 2017, 03:22:12 PM
About indy stage xi:
1) is this true that the "new geometry " is based on stage v - vii geometry?
2) anyone have what the difference on geometry from stage x to Xi actually is?

Deeper turns for sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on April 17, 2017, 09:20:06 AM
hollow shockpads...i invented that today, discuss crazy bat shits ! ;)

i'm serious, had some home made shockpads made out of thick inner tube , and i cut out the middle part of it in the width, so now i have 4 lil band of rubber, 2 per truck, welcome to the future !
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on April 17, 2017, 10:00:34 AM
indy 159 titanium hangar on a standard cast baseplate, with aftermarket orange (med) Indy conical bushings. 

set up on an 8.5 with 53-54mm wheels. 

feels just like skating an 8.25 on 149s (titanium forged) with 52-53mm wheels...

...other than the lack of stiffness/deadness that the forged baseplates give your board. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on April 18, 2017, 09:14:59 AM
Quote from: art hellman on April 17, 2017, 10:00:34 AM

...other than the lack of stiffness/deadness that the forged baseplates give your board. 

Been looking around for a standard cast baseplate for my hollow 159's for this exact reason. I'd like the extra clearance too.

Might just bite the bullet and buy a standard set of 159s and keep the hangars on ice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Hypnotoad on April 18, 2017, 05:00:47 PM
Been riding an 8" with Indy 139 lows and 52mm 83B stupid hard wheels that are completely useless on asphalt.
Thinking about setting up a new complete with a fatter board because I'm old and fat.  I wanna try thunders and I'm gonna try an 8.5 deck, which has me looking at 149's.  

Just wanna confirm that 149's work fine with an 8.5, as I may not be able to hang and might eventually go town to an 8.38 or so.
Also, I put some 149 thunders and 149 indies next  to my trucks at the shop and The  axle height on the thunders seems to be right in between my Indy 139 low and the 149 hi.  Bearing in mind that I hate risers, what's  the biggest wheel I  can rock on the thunder 149 without constant wheelbite?

I'm sure most of these answers are contained in this thread, but it's a fucking brain boiler so I had to stop reading.

Edit for one more question: are the weight savings from the Thunder lights/hollows/titaniums in any way actually perceptible while skating?  Seems like you're only saving a few grams for a pretty big price increase and I'm wondering if my feet would ever notice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 18, 2017, 05:11:09 PM
149s work fine on 8.5, might want to chuck a 1/4" riser on them if you want same height as indy tho
watch out for wheelbase on that 8.5 because (as this thread told me that) thunders give you the longer wheelbase than other trucks. I stuck them on a 32.88/ 14.75 deck and for a month it felt like a longboard :o
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 18, 2017, 05:57:57 PM
I have an 8 and an 8.5....but if someone stole all my shit......id buy Indy 144's and skate an 8.25.

The 8.5 is a bit wide....on a bad day I'll blame my board is too big.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Hypnotoad on April 18, 2017, 07:27:03 PM
Thanks dudes.  If I'm set on the 149 thunders, stock bushings, no risers, what's my max wheel size?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 18, 2017, 07:38:33 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 18, 2017, 05:57:57 PM
but if someone stole all my shit......id  skate an 8.25.
have a feeling it really is the sweet spot
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 18, 2017, 09:14:07 PM
Quote from: Hypnotoad on April 18, 2017, 07:27:03 PM
Thanks dudes.  If I'm set on the 149 thunders, stock bushings, no risers, what's my max wheel size?

For thunder 149 id say 55/56 but really more like 55
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 19, 2017, 08:33:15 AM
i need risers on 54mm with thunder but i don't mind as I think the riser enhances their turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 19, 2017, 09:24:52 AM
53mm max on thunders, unless you ride tight and/or use risers and don't plan on carving deep.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on April 19, 2017, 09:45:17 AM
53 or smaller is ideal. You can get away with 54's if you don't mind getting wheelbite or as others have said, skate tight trucks or use risers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on April 19, 2017, 09:49:22 AM
54 with hollow shockpads  ::)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on April 19, 2017, 02:15:43 PM
I've never broken a kingpin but I'm thinking of trying an inverted kingpin. Any SLAP pals have suggestions on the most effective and easy way to knock out kingpins quickly? Is a vice grip the best option for holding the baseplate nice and good?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on April 19, 2017, 02:19:07 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on April 19, 2017, 02:15:43 PM
I've never broken a kingpin but I'm thinking of trying an inverted kingpin. Any SLAP pals have suggestions on the most effective and easy way to knock out kingpins quickly? Is a vice grip the best option for holding the baseplate nice and good?
You can do it on grass but its kinda dirty, between two bricks or pieces of wood, just whatver with gap in the centre that will stand the weight of hammering it out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tufty on April 19, 2017, 02:20:33 PM
Broke my front indie on the hanger after 2 years of riding them and axle being almost visible. I bought some new indies stage 11, combined with white Doh Dohs and its the first time I dont find new trucks frustrating, I was comfortable since day one.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 19, 2017, 06:24:45 PM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on April 19, 2017, 02:19:07 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on April 19, 2017, 02:15:43 PM
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I've never broken a kingpin but I'm thinking of trying an inverted kingpin. Any SLAP pals have suggestions on the most effective and easy way to knock out kingpins quickly? Is a vice grip the best option for holding the baseplate nice and good?
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You can do it on grass but its kinda dirty, between two bricks or pieces of wood, just whatver with gap in the centre that will stand the weight of hammering it out

Hammer and a parking block with a good bit of space in the rebar hole. Hold the pin over the hole with your foot, don't miss.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 19, 2017, 07:47:54 PM
Yah the brick with the hole works good....

Which kingpin you looking at.  I have some old gullwing ones....problem is the nut spins....any advice on this?  How do the krux ones resolve this?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on April 19, 2017, 08:12:18 PM
Quote from: N.L. on April 16, 2017, 07:55:44 PM
Quote from: fang on April 16, 2017, 03:22:12 PM
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About indy stage xi:
1) is this true that the "new geometry " is based on stage v - vii geometry?
2) anyone have what the difference on geometry from stage x to Xi actually is?
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Deeper turns for sure.

How's would you rate stage xi vs the mighty stage vii?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 19, 2017, 09:15:03 PM
Quote from: fang on April 19, 2017, 08:12:18 PM
Quote from: N.L. on April 16, 2017, 07:55:44 PM
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Quote from: fang on April 16, 2017, 03:22:12 PM
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About indy stage xi:
1) is this true that the "new geometry " is based on stage v - vii geometry?
2) anyone have what the difference on geometry from stage x to Xi actually is?
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Deeper turns for sure.
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How's would you rate stage xi vs the mighty stage vii?

Man, Back during the stage 7 days I was riding my trucks way too tight.... so its a hard comparison. i will say this, Stage 8 and 9 were pretty bad. 10 started to get better and 11s are really good again. I will say 11s are going to be lighter with more kingpin clearance than 7s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on April 20, 2017, 07:03:59 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 19, 2017, 07:47:54 PM
Yah the brick with the hole works good....

Which kingpin you looking at.  I have some old gullwing ones....problem is the nut spins....any advice on this?  How do the krux ones resolve this?

I'll be trying the krux kingpin and jam some Steelstik epoxy puddy up in there to keep the nut from spinning.

Quote from: N.L. on April 19, 2017, 09:15:03 PM
Quote from: fang on April 19, 2017, 08:12:18 PM
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Quote from: N.L. on April 16, 2017, 07:55:44 PM
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Quote from: fang on April 16, 2017, 03:22:12 PM
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About indy stage xi:
1) is this true that the "new geometry " is based on stage v - vii geometry?
2) anyone have what the difference on geometry from stage x to Xi actually is?
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Deeper turns for sure.
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How's would you rate stage xi vs the mighty stage vii?
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Man, Back during the stage 7 days I was riding my trucks way too tight.... so its a hard comparison. i will say this, Stage 8 and 9 were pretty bad. 10 started to get better and 11s are really good again. I will say 11s are going to be lighter with more kingpin clearance than 7s.

I have stage 7's. The turn is amazing, I would say identical to Ace. Incredibly responsive and snappy, and that's using the OG stock orange bushings they came with in the 90s. Hardly any wheelbite riding them super loose with 54mm wheels. I've read people saying stage 7's had bad axle slip, but I've landed primo quite a few times and they've been fine. The kingpin sits a little high compared to stage 11 but I never touch it and I've already ground the hanger down pretty good. In my opinion, stage 7 beats 11 all day long. I haven't tried any other stages besides those two, so I can't speak on others' performance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on April 20, 2017, 10:41:00 AM
Has anyone tried Indy pivot cups in cast thunder plates? Are they pretty much the same as the stock Thunder ones?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on April 20, 2017, 11:41:57 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on April 20, 2017, 10:41:00 AM
Has anyone tried Indy pivot cups in cast thunder plates? Are they pretty much the same as the stock Thunder ones?
Yeah, they'll be fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on April 20, 2017, 11:33:09 PM
Do any of you guys (and if so would you admit it) have your trucks tight enough that if try to stand on your toes the board will go up on two wheels before it gets wheelbite?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 21, 2017, 03:12:09 AM
Quote from: full of jerks on April 20, 2017, 11:33:09 PM
Do any of you guys (and if so would you admit it) have your trucks tight enough that if try to stand on your toes the board will go up on two wheels before it gets wheelbite?




Haha guilty, but my trucks are more medium than tight I would say cause you can still get a good turn not a great turn

I ride not crazy loose like all the cool people cause I like easily popping my board super high up like it has springs
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on April 21, 2017, 02:29:22 PM
Yeah it feels horrible fooling around in my driveway, but at the park in the bowl where I'm going faster I think it might be helping.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: micky682 on April 22, 2017, 12:34:29 PM
What durometer are the Indy stock bushings? 90a?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 22, 2017, 01:02:14 PM
Quote from: micky682 on April 22, 2017, 12:34:29 PM
What durometer are the Indy stock bushings? 90a?

They're 88a super kush, but the aftermarket are supposed to be Harder and more stable 90a
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on May 05, 2017, 02:59:49 PM
Got high last around 3:30am last night and read all 75 pages of this thread in one sitting... Still don't know whether to get Indy 149s or Ace 44s next. Currently got Thunder 149s with krux inverted kingpins on the street setup and 90a medium Indy bushings and ace 55 with Krux bushings on the cruiser. Had Ace 44 for a bit before they got run over by a car, haven't skated indys in a few years so I don't remember how they feel.

Pretty sure I am certifiably insane.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: micky682 on May 05, 2017, 03:54:23 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on May 05, 2017, 02:59:49 PM
Got high last around 3:30am last night and read all 75 pages of this thread in one sitting... Still don't know whether to get Indy 149s or Ace 44s next. Currently got Thunder 149s with krux inverted kingpins on the street setup and 90a medium Indy bushings and ace 55 with Krux bushings on the cruiser. Had Ace 44 for a bit before they got run over by a car, haven't skated indys in a few years so I don't remember how they feel.

Pretty sure I am certifiably insane.
We all are.The disease is called skateboarding.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: christ0v on May 06, 2017, 01:05:18 PM
I tightened my trucks a bit today. Standard 149 indy and my pop is much better now. Got only one wheel bite, but i really landed bad. I didn;t know that such a small change can make that much of a difference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on May 06, 2017, 09:57:48 PM
Quote from: christ0v on May 06, 2017, 01:05:18 PM
I tightened my trucks a bit today. Standard 149 indy and my pop is much better now. Got only one wheel bite, but i really landed bad. I didn;t know that such a small change can make that much of a difference.

yeah i have the thunder 149 hi's with the 95 duro aftermarkets and i dont have to tighten them down but they're really stable and not too flimsy


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 11, 2017, 09:02:47 PM
Any SLAP pals using the Krux kingpin with bushings that are not Krux cushions? I'm curious if other bushing companies like Bones or Indy, which have shorter bottom bushings, fit okay on the kingpin without it needing to be tightened down too much to compensate for the extra room on the kingpin. Any feedback is much appreciated!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on May 11, 2017, 09:12:43 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 11, 2017, 09:02:47 PM
Any SLAP pals using the Krux kingpin with bushings that are not Krux cushions? I'm curious if other bushing companies like Bones or Indy, which have shorter bottom bushings, fit okay on the kingpin without it needing to be tightened down too much to compensate for the extra room on the kingpin. Any feedback is much appreciated!

Don't know about the others but they work fine with Thunder bushings. I'd imagine you should be alright with bones or Indy bushings. If I remember correctly I saw xen with an old setup on here with the Indy bushings in some thunders too
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 12, 2017, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 11, 2017, 09:02:47 PM
Any SLAP pals using the Krux kingpin with bushings that are not Krux cushions? I'm curious if other bushing companies like Bones or Indy, which have shorter bottom bushings, fit okay on the kingpin without it needing to be tightened down too much to compensate for the extra room on the kingpin. Any feedback is much appreciated!

Krux pins work just fine with stock indy barrels, aftermarket indy conicals, ace and stock/aftermarket thunder bushings...you can use them with bones as well but i don't recommend using the provided krux washer as it sits pretty high due to the shape used to create the dome that holds the kingpin.

Depending on how tight you ride they don't work well with low bushings or aftermarket indy barrels as they are shorter and you will end up having less room to tighten due to the bottom of the pin hitting the deck if you crank them down; ride tight? be sure to get hard bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on May 12, 2017, 05:21:32 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 11, 2017, 09:02:47 PM
Any SLAP pals using the Krux kingpin with bushings that are not Krux cushions? I'm curious if other bushing companies like Bones or Indy, which have shorter bottom bushings, fit okay on the kingpin without it needing to be tightened down too much to compensate for the extra room on the kingpin. Any feedback is much appreciated!

I got them on my Thunder 149s with orange indy conical 90a bushings. Works great, no issues yet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 12, 2017, 05:35:38 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 12, 2017, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 11, 2017, 09:02:47 PM
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Any SLAP pals using the Krux kingpin with bushings that are not Krux cushions? I'm curious if other bushing companies like Bones or Indy, which have shorter bottom bushings, fit okay on the kingpin without it needing to be tightened down too much to compensate for the extra room on the kingpin. Any feedback is much appreciated!
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Krux pins work just fine with stock indy barrels, aftermarket indy conicals, ace and stock/aftermarket thunder bushings...you can use them with bones as well but i don't recommend using the provided krux washer as it sits pretty high due to the shape used to create the dome that holds the kingpin.

Depending on how tight you ride they don't work well with low bushings or aftermarket indy barrels as they are shorter and you will end up having less room to tighten due to the bottom of the pin hitting the deck if you crank them down; ride tight? be sure to get hard bushings.

Thanks for the info! I'll be using Bones then. So don't use the bottom or top washer on the Krux pins with Bones bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on May 12, 2017, 08:36:54 PM
Thinking about trying some harder bushings for my thunders to mitigate the wheelbite. Does anyone else skate the harder durometer Thunder bushings? How's the overall feel compared to the normal ones? Is it even worth it?

I've also been feeling the need for Theeve lately...gonna be on the lookout for some cheap tiax for my next trucks after these thunders. Haven't skated the v3s but I loved my v2's when I had them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on May 12, 2017, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: clamy on May 12, 2017, 05:31:47 PM
Ace 44's solved all of my truck issues... I have some spare Krux bushings that might ruin my streak. For now I'm really happy with the stock Ace bushings.

Has anyone else here just settled on an all-stock truck after reading through this thread?

Stock ventures. Stock Indys on my "vert" board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on May 12, 2017, 10:31:20 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on May 12, 2017, 08:36:54 PM
Thinking about trying some harder bushings for my thunders to mitigate the wheelbite. Does anyone else skate the harder durometer Thunder bushings? How's the overall feel compared to the normal ones? Is it even worth it?

I've also been feeling the need for Theeve lately...gonna be on the lookout for some cheap tiax for my next trucks after these thunders. Haven't skated the v3s but I loved my v2's when I had them.

i rock the blue 95duro thunder bushings (ones they sell additionally)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 13, 2017, 04:01:40 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 12, 2017, 05:35:38 PM
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Any SLAP pals using the Krux kingpin with bushings that are not Krux cushions? I'm curious if other bushing companies like Bones or Indy, which have shorter bottom bushings, fit okay on the kingpin without it needing to be tightened down too much to compensate for the extra room on the kingpin. Any feedback is much appreciated!
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Krux pins work just fine with stock indy barrels, aftermarket indy conicals, ace and stock/aftermarket thunder bushings...you can use them with bones as well but i don't recommend using the provided krux washer as it sits pretty high due to the shape used to create the dome that holds the kingpin.

Depending on how tight you ride they don't work well with low bushings or aftermarket indy barrels as they are shorter and you will end up having less room to tighten due to the bottom of the pin hitting the deck if you crank them down; ride tight? be sure to get hard bushings.
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Thanks for the info! I'll be using Bones then. So don't use the bottom or top washer on the Krux pins with Bones bushings?

This is how I set up my theeves using the krux pin.

The theeve bottom bushing is tall, taller than a bones bottom and they come stock with bottom washers. I tooled around with other bushings before going with the krux pin and found none of them sit flush under the yoke hole like the stock ones do (as you crank them down with other bushings only the front portion of the bushing would touch the bottom of the hanger; no idea if it would mess with the geop but it didn't seem like a smart idea.

I used the thin washers that come with bones now for the bottom, to keep the height right so the bushing sits flush to the hanger.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pZVfYfUwz2gDKjqTlMsMJjyJ3uf1IMDj_A9Ldk3w4-Jb0md3A842iVaBuZsHP6NLZZjXVojG-xPXRxuXY3rtUjcOY4ZUdpl38ER-klPYd7BcPBSwdW28YC5nUdJ1WN3lbTcfR-U)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 13, 2017, 04:44:24 PM
If Indy or Ace came out with a redesign that had that much kingpin clearance stock, with better quality stock bushings and pivot cups, life would be complete. Why...why is it so much to ask? :(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 13, 2017, 05:28:40 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 13, 2017, 04:44:24 PM
If Indy or Ace came out with a redesign that had that much kingpin clearance stock, with better quality stock bushings and pivot cups, life would be complete. Why...why is it so much to ask? :(

Cost volumes is my guess.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on May 13, 2017, 05:43:16 PM
If you somehow scuffed the Allen hole ever so slightly you'd never get that shit off...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 13, 2017, 05:45:36 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 13, 2017, 05:28:40 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 13, 2017, 04:44:24 PM
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If Indy or Ace came out with a redesign that had that much kingpin clearance stock, with better quality stock bushings and pivot cups, life would be complete. Why...why is it so much to ask? :(
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Cost volumes is my guess.

True, the Vitellos might not to be able to afford another Rolls Royce if they did that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 13, 2017, 06:52:07 PM
Quote from: Willie on May 13, 2017, 05:43:16 PM
If you somehow scuffed the Allen hole ever so slightly you'd never get that shit off...

Nah....you can use vice grips....xen....does the nut spin? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 13, 2017, 10:52:19 PM
Quote from: N.L. on April 19, 2017, 09:15:03 PM
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About indy stage xi:
1) is this true that the "new geometry " is based on stage v - vii geometry?
2) anyone have what the difference on geometry from stage x to Xi actually is?
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Deeper turns for sure.
[close]

How's would you rate stage xi vs the mighty stage vii?
[close]

Man, Back during the stage 7 days I was riding my trucks way too tight.... so its a hard comparison. i will say this, Stage 8 and 9 were pretty bad. 10 started to get better and 11s are really good again. I will say 11s are going to be lighter with more kingpin clearance than 7s.
Stage 9s were horrible. I remember breaking the baseplate trying to 180 a 4 and I remember a homie kickflipped a 6 sketchy and wanted to do it again better and next try he broke a stage 9 baseplate too.


Needless to say, I think Indy is done with putting holes in their baseplates.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 14, 2017, 07:46:11 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 13, 2017, 06:52:07 PM
Quote from: Willie on May 13, 2017, 05:43:16 PM
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If you somehow scuffed the Allen hole ever so slightly you'd never get that shit off...
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Nah....you can use vice grips....xen....does the nut spin? 

Nope!

it would be the same as grinding down a regular kingpin setup....you'd have to grind damn near the axle to touch it tho,
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 14, 2017, 09:45:26 AM
How does it not spin?  Just pressure?  I got some old gullwing ones and I gotta take my trucks off to loosen or tighten them....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on May 14, 2017, 09:51:16 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 14, 2017, 09:45:26 AM
How does it not spin?  Just pressure?  I got some old gullwing ones and I gotta take my trucks off to loosen or tighten them....

You can see in the pic, the hole is packed with what I'm guessing is JB Weld.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on May 14, 2017, 10:54:21 AM
Has anyone here happened to skate theeve 5.5's on an 8.38 or 8.25? Active has a great sale on them but they only have the tiax in 5.5. I'd prefer the 5.85 because I skate 8.38s but I've been thinking about downsizing to 8.25 anyway. My biggest concern is if the 5.5's will feel super short on an 8.38 if I happen to stay at that size. It'd be a no-brainer if they had them in 5.85 size but I dunno about going from 149's to the 5.5 axles (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/patrice.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on May 14, 2017, 12:45:25 PM
The theeve site has some trucks on sale too. I wonder if they are going to release something new soon and are trying to clear out old stock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on May 14, 2017, 01:13:15 PM
I'm amazed how any truck not named Indy, Thunder, or Venture can even stay in business these days.  I've been on 2 year old, well worn Indy 149 Ti's with Stage 10 cast plates.  I was riding Ace 44's for awhile and really enjoyed them, but when I sized up decks they felt too small.  Indy's turn great but Ace really take the cake in that regard.

Also have some new pivot cups in the mail and I'm going to switch it up from the cylindrical aftermarket indy's to conicals.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 14, 2017, 02:20:41 PM
They've hasn't corrected that latent defect of putting the letters THEEVE on them....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on May 15, 2017, 09:02:27 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on May 14, 2017, 10:54:21 AM
Has anyone here happened to skate theeve 5.5's on an 8.38 or 8.25? Active has a great sale on them but they only have the tiax in 5.5. I'd prefer the 5.85 because I skate 8.38s but I've been thinking about downsizing to 8.25 anyway. My biggest concern is if the 5.5's will feel super short on an 8.38 if I happen to stay at that size. It'd be a no-brainer if they had them in 5.85 size but I dunno about going from 149's to the 5.5 axles (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/patrice.png)

I skate 5.5s on 8.25 - The axle is acually 8.18" if that helps you decide.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nate.Dog on May 16, 2017, 10:30:12 PM
Hell Reynolds, dickson, and half the baker team used to skate 8.5's with 139s, I'm sure you'll be fine
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 16, 2017, 10:37:11 PM
Quote from: Nate.Dog on May 16, 2017, 10:30:12 PM
Hell Reynolds, dickson, and half the baker team used to skate 8.5's with 139s, I'm sure you'll be fine

Reynolds has changed it up a bit

https://www.instagram.com/p/BTzTRzcF_cN/?taken-by=andrewreynolds (https://www.instagram.com/p/BTzTRzcF_cN/?taken-by=andrewreynolds)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 17, 2017, 08:12:56 AM
I've been skating 149 stage 11 Indy's with stock bushings, only a few turns more than the kingpin nut flush and they've been performing as if I threw some aftermarket bushings of some kind in them. The turn feels just as snappy and responsive as Ace or stage 7 Indy's. My brain is now melted and I have no idea what is real anymore.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 19, 2017, 07:16:31 AM
I gotta say Aces are the funnest trucks for carving around on........back down the rabbit hole you go!  With age I've accepted that tinkering and setting shit up just to take em apart is a good alternative to getting wrecked.....I've always made fun of gear head types in cycling who basically don't ride....but now I get it....skate shit for the most part is cheap and I always hook up kids who need it with my old stuff....

Hope you find a way to get stoked on skating somehow....I spent a winter in my late 30's skating a two foot quarter in my garage...building up a quiver and it was the best.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on May 19, 2017, 07:23:04 AM
I bought 148 thunders. I don't even really like thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 19, 2017, 08:07:10 AM
If anyone wants to know the illustrious Rob of the truck setup threads setup and why he's been gone and doesn't need to go psychos on these threads anymore is, if you want the turn of an Indy but the control of thunder 147 this is what I've been riding with utter happiness and sanity

Independent 139 low+1/8 risers/shock pads(pick your favorite)

You get the height and lower center of gravity control like a thunder 147 hi almost but the zippy carvy turn of an Indy

And don't ask why use risers with a low it's as contradicting as using riders on a high. Just why do you need to add more height to a truck that's already high. How loose would you be riding to need that clearance. Mainly talking about trucks 53mm tall and up
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on May 19, 2017, 08:34:21 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 19, 2017, 07:16:31 AM
I gotta say Aces are the funnest trucks for carving around on........back down the rabbit hole you go!  With age I've accepted that tinkering and setting shit up just to take em apart is a good alternative to getting wrecked.....I've always made fun of gear head types in cycling who basically don't ride....but now I get it....skate shit for the most part is cheap and I always hook up kids who need it with my old stuff....

Hope you find a way to get stoked on skating somehow....I spent a winter in my late 30's skating a two foot quarter in my garage...building up a quiver and it was the best.....

With you on that. It wasn't until I hit middle age that I cared. Until then it was the same old 149s... Could be worse, could be lycra or sports cars... 42 next week, treating myself to a new board and putting on some pre-broken in 44s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: calvinsdream on May 19, 2017, 11:40:24 AM
Quote from: rob on May 19, 2017, 08:07:10 AM
If anyone wants to know the illustrious Rob of the truck setup threads setup and why he's been gone and doesn't need to go psychos on these threads anymore is, if you want the turn of an Indy but the control of thunder 147 this is what I've been riding with utter happiness and sanity

Independent 139 low+1/8 risers/shock pads(pick your favorite)

You get the height and lower center of gravity control like a thunder 147 hi almost but the zippy carvy turn of an Indy

And don't ask why use risers with a low it's as contradicting as using riders on a high. Just why do you need to add more height to a truck that's already high. How loose would you be riding to need that clearance. Mainly talking about trucks 53mm tall and up

Low trucks have slightly different geometry - their turn is different than highs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 19, 2017, 09:23:26 PM
Quote from: calvinsdream on May 19, 2017, 11:40:24 AM
Quote from: rob on May 19, 2017, 08:07:10 AM
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If anyone wants to know the illustrious Rob of the truck setup threads setup and why he's been gone and doesn't need to go psychos on these threads anymore is, if you want the turn of an Indy but the control of thunder 147 this is what I've been riding with utter happiness and sanity

Independent 139 low+1/8 risers/shock pads(pick your favorite)

You get the height and lower center of gravity control like a thunder 147 hi almost but the zippy carvy turn of an Indy

And don't ask why use risers with a low it's as contradicting as using riders on a high. Just why do you need to add more height to a truck that's already high. How loose would you be riding to need that clearance. Mainly talking about trucks 53mm tall and up
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Low trucks have slightly different geometry - their turn is different than highs.

Somewhat true because when it comes to Indy They have it down with their signature geo so they know how to apply the same Indy carve on a low with these awesome stage 11 lows I got.

Ace high and low definitely do have this difference but thunders and Indy low or high have this turn that's easy to tell what they are out of other trucks.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on May 20, 2017, 01:03:02 AM
Quote from: rob on May 19, 2017, 09:23:26 PM
Quote from: calvinsdream on May 19, 2017, 11:40:24 AM
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Quote from: rob on May 19, 2017, 08:07:10 AM
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If anyone wants to know the illustrious Rob of the truck setup threads setup and why he's been gone and doesn't need to go psychos on these threads anymore is, if you want the turn of an Indy but the control of thunder 147 this is what I've been riding with utter happiness and sanity

Independent 139 low+1/8 risers/shock pads(pick your favorite)

You get the height and lower center of gravity control like a thunder 147 hi almost but the zippy carvy turn of an Indy

And don't ask why use risers with a low it's as contradicting as using riders on a high. Just why do you need to add more height to a truck that's already high. How loose would you be riding to need that clearance. Mainly talking about trucks 53mm tall and up
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Low trucks have slightly different geometry - their turn is different than highs.
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Somewhat true because when it comes to Indy They have it down with their signature geo so they know how to apply the same Indy carve on a low with these awesome stage 11 lows I got.

Ace high and low definitely do have this difference but thunders and Indy low or high have this turn that's easy to tell what they are out of other trucks.

Good for you that low indys worked, I tried everything with mine but ended up setting up standard height indys after few months...those things just don't turn enough for my preferences. I think I'm gonna try those forged ones next when my current set is dead.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rails on May 22, 2017, 12:09:34 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/VnZXN4l.jpg?1)

Royal bushings, stage viii Independent trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on May 22, 2017, 07:06:23 PM
does anyone else ride their front and back trucks setup exactly the same?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on May 22, 2017, 08:57:18 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on May 22, 2017, 07:06:23 PM
does anyone else ride their front and back trucks setup exactly the same?

I tried, but If I make my front truck as tight as my back, it feels too stiff.. If the back's the same as the front it feels too wobbly.. There's gotta be a sweet balance spot.

I like the idea of identical trucks, but I'm too set in the old "back-truck-a-turn-or-two-tighter" ways.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 22, 2017, 11:24:22 PM
It's not a bad idea and I know it messes with the grooves....but lately because I've had a bad case of boom-a-board...I've considered alternating to balance it out....

Any pointers on resolving the incessantly turning board?  I think it's due to wheel bite on the front toe corner.....my goal for 2017 is to study it more carefully and try and resolve it...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 23, 2017, 08:38:35 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on May 22, 2017, 07:06:23 PM
does anyone else ride their front and back trucks setup exactly the same?

Right here buddy, I have the truck OCD if my trucks are different tightness it throws me off cause I wanna be able to ride my board frontward or backwards without a problem. Its like this for me since I started where I thought if I learn more tricks and my board is flipping around and spinning back and forth I don't wanna think about how my front trucks looseness is gonna effect me when my board is backwards if I'm in fakie or whatever my mind wants to believe
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on May 26, 2017, 02:41:43 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 22, 2017, 11:24:22 PM
It's not a bad idea and I know it messes with the grooves....but lately because I've had a bad case of boom-a-board...I've considered alternating to balance it out....

Any pointers on resolving the incessantly turning board?  I think it's due to wheel bite on the front toe corner.....my goal for 2017 is to study it more carefully and try and resolve it...

Man this sucks! My current setup is awful with this issue. Keeps turning the opposite way I want it to turn. I always like a little turning bias towards my frontside and since I set this new board up it always turns towards backside, even if I step on the trucks to correct it. I blame a shitty, misaligned drill job on the board. It is always either this or a bent axle that's causing the turning.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 27, 2017, 07:34:41 AM
I always thought it was bushings so I'd loosen them up and tighten them again.....I'm considering riding softer just because maybe they are less inclined to get stuck....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on May 27, 2017, 10:27:40 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 27, 2017, 07:34:41 AM
I always thought it was bushings so I'd loosen them up and tighten them again.....I'm considering riding softer just because maybe they are less inclined to get stuck....

That worked for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 28, 2017, 07:42:28 AM
I bought those $200 kook trucks......my other theory which is prolly wrong is if you skate race reds you won't have axel slip because you can tighten everything down.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on May 28, 2017, 08:02:21 AM
Quote from: Esquivel on May 26, 2017, 02:41:43 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 22, 2017, 11:24:22 PM
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It's not a bad idea and I know it messes with the grooves....but lately because I've had a bad case of boom-a-board...I've considered alternating to balance it out....

Any pointers on resolving the incessantly turning board?  I think it's due to wheel bite on the front toe corner.....my goal for 2017 is to study it more carefully and try and resolve it...
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Man this sucks! My current setup is awful with this issue. Keeps turning the opposite way I want it to turn. I always like a little turning bias towards my frontside and since I set this new board up it always turns towards backside, even if I step on the trucks to correct it. I blame a shitty, misaligned drill job on the board. It is always either this or a bent axle that's causing the turning.
Boomerang board? I kind of dig it when I'm skating alone since my board just comes back at me whenever I shoot out on a miscalculation. If anyone knows for sure how to fix this, I'd like to know.

I also would look at uneven wheel wear being a factor, too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stanley Spadowski on May 28, 2017, 09:12:10 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on May 22, 2017, 07:06:23 PM
does anyone else ride their front and back trucks setup exactly the same?
(https://media.tenor.co/images/446d41c47e874045582cddce73cf91fa/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on May 28, 2017, 01:06:53 PM
Quote from: layzieyez on May 28, 2017, 08:02:21 AM
Quote from: Esquivel on May 26, 2017, 02:41:43 PM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on May 22, 2017, 11:24:22 PM
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It's not a bad idea and I know it messes with the grooves....but lately because I've had a bad case of boom-a-board...I've considered alternating to balance it out....

Any pointers on resolving the incessantly turning board?  I think it's due to wheel bite on the front toe corner.....my goal for 2017 is to study it more carefully and try and resolve it...
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Man this sucks! My current setup is awful with this issue. Keeps turning the opposite way I want it to turn. I always like a little turning bias towards my frontside and since I set this new board up it always turns towards backside, even if I step on the trucks to correct it. I blame a shitty, misaligned drill job on the board. It is always either this or a bent axle that's causing the turning.
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Boomerang board? I kind of dig it when I'm skating alone since my board just comes back at me whenever I shoot out on a miscalculation. If anyone knows for sure how to fix this, I'd like to know.

I also would look at uneven wheel wear being a factor, too.

Haha does it do a full circle when it comes back? Sounds like a serious case. Wheels wearing uneven can definitely cause the board to turn. I am about to set a new deck soon so will see if its my trucks having issues or if the holes on the board were drilled a bit of. Also, has anyone experienced baseplates with misaligned holes? I once had a set where one of the hangers was longer on one side and also a set where the bolts on one plate were closer to the edge (towards the pivot cup side)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on May 28, 2017, 05:36:43 PM
Quote from: Esquivel on May 28, 2017, 01:06:53 PM
Quote from: layzieyez on May 28, 2017, 08:02:21 AM
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Quote from: Esquivel on May 26, 2017, 02:41:43 PM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on May 22, 2017, 11:24:22 PM
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It's not a bad idea and I know it messes with the grooves....but lately because I've had a bad case of boom-a-board...I've considered alternating to balance it out....

Any pointers on resolving the incessantly turning board?  I think it's due to wheel bite on the front toe corner.....my goal for 2017 is to study it more carefully and try and resolve it...
[close]

Man this sucks! My current setup is awful with this issue. Keeps turning the opposite way I want it to turn. I always like a little turning bias towards my frontside and since I set this new board up it always turns towards backside, even if I step on the trucks to correct it. I blame a shitty, misaligned drill job on the board. It is always either this or a bent axle that's causing the turning.
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Boomerang board? I kind of dig it when I'm skating alone since my board just comes back at me whenever I shoot out on a miscalculation. If anyone knows for sure how to fix this, I'd like to know.

I also would look at uneven wheel wear being a factor, too.
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Haha does it do a full circle when it comes back? Sounds like a serious case. Wheels wearing uneven can definitely cause the board to turn. I am about to set a new deck soon so will see if its my trucks having issues or if the holes on the board were drilled a bit of. Also, has anyone experienced baseplates with misaligned holes? I once had a set where one of the hangers was longer on one side and also a set where the bolts on one plate were closer to the edge (towards the pivot cup side)


Shit like that really boils my potatoes >:( We can't let truck makers get away with this!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on May 28, 2017, 07:44:59 PM
I have to ride my front truck looser than the back truck.

It feels weird when riding the board backwards but I basically only do that for shove-its and I prefer to land on a board going forwards with those.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on May 29, 2017, 12:04:48 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on May 22, 2017, 07:06:23 PM
does anyone else ride their front and back trucks setup exactly the same?
This has me tempted me to buy a twin tail and new trucks to keep stock. Just to see what happens
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on May 29, 2017, 12:18:05 AM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on May 29, 2017, 12:04:48 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on May 22, 2017, 07:06:23 PM
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does anyone else ride their front and back trucks setup exactly the same?
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This has me tempted me to buy a twin tail and new trucks to keep stock. Just to see what happens

ha man i tried to ride the new thunder 148's stock (my old trucks were thunder 149 with the 94duro bushings) so the 90 duro stock bushing with a new pivot cup was wheel bite galore!

my point is if you're riding harder bushings than 90 duro (which i know stock thunders and indy's are 90 duro) its gonna be reallllllyyy looose
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 29, 2017, 02:50:33 PM
Quote from: fulfillthedream on May 29, 2017, 12:18:05 AM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on May 29, 2017, 12:04:48 AM
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Quote from: ChuckRamone on May 22, 2017, 07:06:23 PM
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does anyone else ride their front and back trucks setup exactly the same?
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This has me tempted me to buy a twin tail and new trucks to keep stock. Just to see what happens
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ha man i tried to ride the new thunder 148's stock (my old trucks were thunder 149 with the 94duro bushings) so the 90 duro stock bushing with a new pivot cup was wheel bite galore!

my point is if you're riding harder bushings than 90 duro (which i know stock thunders and indy's are 90 duro) its gonna be reallllllyyy looose

Were they the white or clear yellows? The white ones always feel much softer than the yellows to me (even if they are supposedly the same duro).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on May 29, 2017, 07:48:35 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 29, 2017, 02:50:33 PM
Quote from: fulfillthedream on May 29, 2017, 12:18:05 AM
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Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on May 29, 2017, 12:04:48 AM
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does anyone else ride their front and back trucks setup exactly the same?
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This has me tempted me to buy a twin tail and new trucks to keep stock. Just to see what happens
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ha man i tried to ride the new thunder 148's stock (my old trucks were thunder 149 with the 94duro bushings) so the 90 duro stock bushing with a new pivot cup was wheel bite galore!

my point is if you're riding harder bushings than 90 duro (which i know stock thunders and indy's are 90 duro) its gonna be reallllllyyy looose
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Were they the white or clear yellows? The white ones always feel much softer than the yellows to me (even if they are supposedly the same duro).
148s are orange.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 30, 2017, 08:59:00 AM
Gotta set of Thunder lights 149s on the way.  The ones with just the hollow king pin and the forge base.

Would no risers, stock bushings, and 52mms cause wheel bite?


 I haven't had Thunders  in forever and heard that wheel bite  pretty prevalent.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on May 30, 2017, 09:22:45 AM
^amazing combo in your sig, who's that ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on May 30, 2017, 12:34:04 PM
^I'd say Bledsoe, pure guess.^
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: -- on May 30, 2017, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on May 30, 2017, 08:59:00 AM
Gotta set of Thunder lights 149s on the way.  The ones with just the hollow king pin and the forge base.

Would no risers, stock bushings, and 52mms cause wheel bite?


 I haven't had Thunders  in forever and heard that wheel bite  pretty prevalent.
i skate 145s with 53mms and get wheel bite but it's not really a problem. also, 149s are a bit higher than 145s so i'd say you're good
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: -- on May 30, 2017, 02:35:42 PM
does anybody else notice a slight delay in turning with the krux downlow kingpins?
it's kind of annoying
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 30, 2017, 05:38:31 PM
Quote from: -- on May 30, 2017, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on May 30, 2017, 08:59:00 AM
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Gotta set of Thunder lights 149s on the way.  The ones with just the hollow king pin and the forge base.

Would no risers, stock bushings, and 52mms cause wheel bite?


 I haven't had Thunders  in forever and heard that wheel bite  pretty prevalent.
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i skate 145s with 53mms and get wheel bite but it's not really a problem. also, 149s are a bit higher than 145s so i'd say you're good

Thanks man. How loose do you ride them and how stable are they when they are loose?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on May 30, 2017, 05:39:23 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on May 29, 2017, 07:48:35 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 29, 2017, 02:50:33 PM
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Quote from: fulfillthedream on May 29, 2017, 12:18:05 AM
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Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on May 29, 2017, 12:04:48 AM
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Quote from: ChuckRamone on May 22, 2017, 07:06:23 PM
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does anyone else ride their front and back trucks setup exactly the same?
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This has me tempted me to buy a twin tail and new trucks to keep stock. Just to see what happens
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ha man i tried to ride the new thunder 148's stock (my old trucks were thunder 149 with the 94duro bushings) so the 90 duro stock bushing with a new pivot cup was wheel bite galore!

my point is if you're riding harder bushings than 90 duro (which i know stock thunders and indy's are 90 duro) its gonna be reallllllyyy looose
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Were they the white or clear yellows? The white ones always feel much softer than the yellows to me (even if they are supposedly the same duro).
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148s are orange.

ya the stock clear orange 90's - swapped em for the 94duro thunders and they work great. WAAY more stable than having 149's on a 8.25 just looking at the board you can see the trucks are flush with the 8.25 and look significantly smaller than 149s.  
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: -- on May 30, 2017, 06:00:38 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on May 30, 2017, 05:38:31 PM
Quote from: -- on May 30, 2017, 02:29:03 PM
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Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on May 30, 2017, 08:59:00 AM
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Gotta set of Thunder lights 149s on the way.  The ones with just the hollow king pin and the forge base.

Would no risers, stock bushings, and 52mms cause wheel bite?


 I haven't had Thunders  in forever and heard that wheel bite  pretty prevalent.
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i skate 145s with 53mms and get wheel bite but it's not really a problem. also, 149s are a bit higher than 145s so i'd say you're good
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Thanks man. How loose do you ride them and how stable are they when they are loose?
i have the bottom washers removed and the kingpin nuts sticking out a bit. the bushings have been replaced with medium independents, which i believe are softer than than the stock yellow ones. they're not extremely loose. i think a wider setup like yours may be more stable, although i'm not sure
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 01, 2017, 02:53:23 PM
So I'm gonna ride these thunders with the stock bushings. First time in years I haven't put in Bones mediums right away. What's the best way to break them in?


Force myself to ride them exactly as is and then after a couple of sessions tighten them to my preferred looseness? I think that's what Steve said.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 01, 2017, 05:41:29 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on June 01, 2017, 02:53:23 PM
Force myself to ride them exactly as is and then after a couple of sessions tighten them to my preferred looseness? I think that's what Steve said.
That's the advice I got on here and it worked perfectly!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 01, 2017, 05:47:51 PM
Fuck! SW sent me one Thunder 148 and one 149.

Luckily I found an old ass pair of 149 hangers and base I forgot I had that I can use until I get a replacement but this blows lol.









Figured out why. Someone slapped a 149 barcode on some 148s.




(https://s8.postimg.org/g3efy47ed/IMG_0754.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 01, 2017, 09:41:36 PM
So I don't why some of you think Thunders are waaay too lose.


Rocking them at the stock loosesness they are fucking perfect. Super turny without feeling floppy in any way. (If you like floppy i'm not here to judge though lol.in anyway.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: danjtony on June 01, 2017, 10:24:54 PM
The stock white bushings feel super loose until you break them in. Last time I got a new set of thunders I was getting crazy wheelbite with 53mm wheels for the first few weeks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 01, 2017, 10:40:19 PM
Quote from: danjtony on June 01, 2017, 10:24:54 PM
The stock white bushings feel super loose until you break them in. Last time I got a new set of thunders I was getting crazy wheelbite with 53mm wheels for the first few weeks.


See I don't get this.  Every set of trucks I've ever had, I've hated the fucking stock bushings and always just use bones but even fresh these white Thunder bushings feel like a million bucks!


It feels turny but stable.


I'll compare THunders and Indys.


 If you were carve a down a sidewalk with Indys it'd be like this



(
 )
(
)
(







But with Thunders it's like


\
/
\
/
\
/








Like Indys are more an S shape and feel smoother but fairly shallow where as these Thunders are more of a zig zag. They have a snappier/quicker response but don't feel like  loose truck at speed/going striaght.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 02, 2017, 12:09:09 AM
I wonder if they're gonna bring back stage 10 height but stage 11 geo, snagged my friends old stage 10 Indy 149 hangars and I love the height and size for an 8.25.

They're literally at that sweet spot height for a 149, not low but definitely not as high as ace or stage 11. Truly truly the just right height.

The only sad part is the geo of stage 10 is a little odd but I did get them perfect with some Indy aftermarket cylinder red 88a's and damn they're a dream Indy truck. It works so nice but at the same time it still lacks that cleanliness of stage 11 turn

Went back to thunder 147 though cause just as they advertised I noticed playing around with quiver setups the thunders do give me more control than my Indy 139 lows. Thunder is the leader in control and it's true !!

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on June 02, 2017, 08:26:39 AM
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It's not a bad idea and I know it messes with the grooves....but lately because I've had a bad case of boom-a-board...I've considered alternating to balance it out....

Any pointers on resolving the incessantly turning board?  I think it's due to wheel bite on the front toe corner.....my goal for 2017 is to study it more carefully and try and resolve it...
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Man this sucks! My current setup is awful with this issue. Keeps turning the opposite way I want it to turn. I always like a little turning bias towards my frontside and since I set this new board up it always turns towards backside, even if I step on the trucks to correct it. I blame a shitty, misaligned drill job on the board. It is always either this or a bent axle that's causing the turning.
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Boomerang board? I kind of dig it when I'm skating alone since my board just comes back at me whenever I shoot out on a miscalculation. If anyone knows for sure how to fix this, I'd like to know.

I also would look at uneven wheel wear being a factor, too.
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Haha does it do a full circle when it comes back? Sounds like a serious case. Wheels wearing uneven can definitely cause the board to turn. I am about to set a new deck soon so will see if its my trucks having issues or if the holes on the board were drilled a bit of. Also, has anyone experienced baseplates with misaligned holes? I once had a set where one of the hangers was longer on one side and also a set where the bolts on one plate were closer to the edge (towards the pivot cup side)

I've only had one full on boomerang which were a set of orions way back in 1997ish.  Most of my set ups veer to the right (regular foot).  Front right wheel always ends up getting coned out faster than the rest of the set, too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on June 02, 2017, 09:44:42 AM
^same here, regular too, always the front right wheel , the one under the toes

i'm dealing with a squeacking hollow kingpin in my 149 indys, shit is annoying as fuck...click click...my creation
 i won't play blacksmith again with new trucks, i'll go with forged hollow next time
lasted almost a year, i'll find a way to fix it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on June 02, 2017, 10:37:32 AM
Switched out the stock bushings in my thunders  with their harder red 97d aftermarket bushings to help with wheelbite and it's made a difference, even with upping my wheel size by 2mm along with it. Now that they're broken in they literally feel/turn the exact same way just with a lot less wheelbite, so I'd recommend others try them out if they've been dealing with that on harder landing. A lot cheaper than getting truck madness and buying a new set like I almost did lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on June 04, 2017, 11:29:55 AM
I've been playing with something as I mess around with setups.  If you have an iPhone and go to the compass and swipe right you get a protractor.  Set the phone on your deck and then push the tail down and you can measure the angle at which it touches the ground. 

So now if you have a ton of junk and set it up in different ways over and over you can see like how much difference risers and wheel size, or different trucks might affect ollie feel.


Also, regarding the question about baseplate holes being off...  I think what you are really seeing is the edges of the baseplate not being square.  Like when they are molding it the aluminum doesn't fill the mold all the way.  I have this on one of my Ace trucks.  It doesn't affect anything.  The holes are in the right place, even if they might not look like it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on June 04, 2017, 02:29:38 PM
Quote from: rob on June 02, 2017, 12:09:09 AM
I wonder if they're gonna bring back stage 10 height but stage 11 geo, snagged my friends old stage 10 Indy 149 hangars and I love the height and size for an 8.25.

They're literally at that sweet spot height for a 149, not low but definitely not as high as ace or stage 11. Truly truly the just right height.

The only sad part is the geo of stage 10 is a little odd but I did get them perfect with some Indy aftermarket cylinder red 88a's and damn they're a dream Indy truck. It works so nice but at the same time it still lacks that cleanliness of stage 11 turn

Went back to thunder 147 though cause just as they advertised I noticed playing around with quiver setups the thunders do give me more control than my Indy 139 lows. Thunder is the leader in control and it's true !!



You probably know, but you do know the stage 11's with forged baseplates are the exact same height as regular stage 10's, right? I don't like forged baseplates but.. It's probably the only way to make that happen with the same geometry for now.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: micky682 on June 04, 2017, 06:29:45 PM
Quote from: Deekay on June 04, 2017, 02:29:38 PM
Quote from: rob on June 02, 2017, 12:09:09 AM
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I wonder if they're gonna bring back stage 10 height but stage 11 geo, snagged my friends old stage 10 Indy 149 hangars and I love the height and size for an 8.25.

They're literally at that sweet spot height for a 149, not low but definitely not as high as ace or stage 11. Truly truly the just right height.

The only sad part is the geo of stage 10 is a little odd but I did get them perfect with some Indy aftermarket cylinder red 88a's and damn they're a dream Indy truck. It works so nice but at the same time it still lacks that cleanliness of stage 11 turn

Went back to thunder 147 though cause just as they advertised I noticed playing around with quiver setups the thunders do give me more control than my Indy 139 lows. Thunder is the leader in control and it's true !!


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You probably know, but you do know the stage 11's with forged baseplates are the exact same height as regular stage 10's, right? I don't like forged baseplates but.. It's probably the only way to make that happen with the same geometry for now.


Never understood what a "forged" baseplate is, care to explain? Is it thinner/lighter?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on June 04, 2017, 09:32:23 PM
"Forged baseplates are compression molded, making them lighter, stronger, and more impact resistant in comparison to cast or poured-mold baseplates "
and they're 1.5mm thinner than cast ones
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 05, 2017, 02:04:38 AM
Aha yeah I don't like the thin feel of the forge baseplates, it throws off the weight for me with a paper thin plate and a heavy hangar so I like sticking to heavy ole all gravity cast trucks. Gives more weight and feel to the board. I like thunders the best because they shave the weight off in the right places while keeping the truck super solid feeling with the regular cast normal team 147 hi

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on June 05, 2017, 02:20:28 AM
Quote from: the snake on June 02, 2017, 09:44:42 AM
^same here, regular too, always the front right wheel , the one under the toes

i'm dealing with a squeacking hollow kingpin in my 149 indys, shit is annoying as fuck...click click...my creation
 i won't play blacksmith again with new trucks, i'll go with forged hollow next time
lasted almost a year, i'll find a way to fix it


In my case the board always turns to the right (goofy footed ffs!!!) and it drives me nuts. Just set up a new deck and it seems that my baseplate holes are drilled slightly of and hopefully rotating baseplates should fix the problem.
For coned wheels, I always believed that it happens when people kickturn on quarterpipes and as the front truck approaches the ground it is the front/toeside wheel that hits flat first and gets coned because of the slight sideways tilt of the board
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on June 05, 2017, 07:32:44 PM
I still get the coning one that wheel whether I touch transition or not.  Cursed I guess.

Anyhow, for interested parties this is the price for two sets of indy bushings ($5.95 and free ship). Take advantage while you can. (I know, it's a longboard site). They squishy and my aces are finally how I had imagined they'd be, but just couldn't break down the stock bushing to this state of squish.

https://www.daddiesboardshop.com/independent-genuine-parts-csfu-skateboard-bushings-90a (https://www.daddiesboardshop.com/independent-genuine-parts-csfu-skateboard-bushings-90a)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on June 07, 2017, 08:16:07 AM
have a new theory for the front toe coned wheel, bought a new board, and guess where the first and only wheel mark appeared...not on my mom^^
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on June 07, 2017, 08:43:16 AM
Has anyone rocked a different size truck back than front? I'm thinking of wasting some money again and have been eyeing up this punkpoint deck that's around 8.35" on the front trucks but only around 7,85" on the back trucks. I have a spare set of Ace 44s around but I'm afraid they'd be too wide on the back. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on June 07, 2017, 09:24:50 PM
Quote from: Roisto on June 07, 2017, 08:43:16 AM
Has anyone rocked a different size truck back than front? I'm thinking of wasting some money again and have been eyeing up this punkpoint deck that's around 8.35" on the front trucks but only around 7,85" on the back trucks. I have a spare set of Ace 44s around but I'm afraid they'd be too wide on the back. Any thoughts?

Hosoi does this...
You'll either loose your mind, end up in a Hawaiian prison or the universe will implode. Best not....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: danjtony on June 07, 2017, 09:32:18 PM
I have a deck that's 9" on the front and 8.25" on the back (also a punk point). I just use 169's. The wheels sticking out doesn't bother me. Having two different truck sizes would fuck with my head way more. Plus I don't think the 44's would even stick out that much.

Anyway, this dude set up a 215 in the back and a 109 in the front and it seems ride-able. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYTHKD1mGWA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYTHKD1mGWA)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on June 08, 2017, 05:54:15 AM
Heh. Thanks guys. The board is now out of stock anyway, so I won't be buying it. Not sure what I'll do in the future though when I come across some shaped board I want enough that has a big width difference between front and back. Maybe the safest bet would be to try with same size trucks and then get some funky different size ones if the same width trucks annoy me. :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on June 08, 2017, 09:14:12 AM
Quote from: danjtony on June 07, 2017, 09:32:18 PM
I have a deck that's 9" on the front and 8.25" on the back (also a punk point). I just use 169's. The wheels sticking out doesn't bother me. Having two different truck sizes would fuck with my head way more. Plus I don't think the 44's would even stick out that much.

Anyway, this dude set up a 215 in the back and a 109 in the front and it seems ride-able. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYTHKD1mGWA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYTHKD1mGWA)
Don't believe the hype, bmc won that board and i ended up with it for now. It is hard as fuck to just turn on. Front shove it's were harder than kickflips on it. Can't wait to take a trip to socal so I can leave it on BMC's doorstep in the middle of the night lol.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 08, 2017, 12:28:29 PM
Quote from: tangar on June 08, 2017, 09:14:12 AM
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I have a deck that's 9" on the front and 8.25" on the back (also a punk point). I just use 169's. The wheels sticking out doesn't bother me. Having two different truck sizes would fuck with my head way more. Plus I don't think the 44's would even stick out that much.

Anyway, this dude set up a 215 in the back and a 109 in the front and it seems ride-able. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYTHKD1mGWA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYTHKD1mGWA)
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Don't believe the hype, bmc won that board and i ended up with it for now. It is hard as fuck to just turn on. Front shove it's were harder than kickflips on it. Can't wait to take a trip to socal so I can leave it on BMC's doorstep in the middle of the night lol.

It will just end up back at your house!  I don't want that thing within 500 yards of me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on June 08, 2017, 12:51:02 PM
I'm gonna mail it to you, piece by piece.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 08, 2017, 05:49:21 PM
I thought someone on here had won that, that board looked worse then those snake boards with that castor wheels
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 09, 2017, 11:12:55 AM
Hey anyone on here who currently or use to religiously ride Indy stage 10 ? Specifically 149 ?

What's your feedback on them compared to stage 11 besides 11 being taller and sharper ?

Does anyone prefer 10 over 11 like rowley strictly rides his stage 7 or 9 or whatever stage it was ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 09, 2017, 11:43:39 AM
Quote from: rob on June 09, 2017, 11:12:55 AM
Hey anyone on here who currently or use to religiously ride Indy stage 10 ? Specifically 149 ?

What's your feedback on them compared to stage 11 besides 11 being taller and sharper ?

Does anyone prefer 10 over 11 like rowley strictly rides his stage 7 or 9 or whatever stage it was ?


Dude, just stop.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 09, 2017, 11:46:42 AM
I should

But hmmmm...

I wish it were the good ole days of riding a 7.8 with my reliable krux down-lows
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 09, 2017, 12:07:07 PM
Quote from: rob on June 09, 2017, 11:46:42 AM
I should

But hmmmm...

I wish it were the good ole days of riding a 7.8 with my reliable krux down-lows

You can literally ride that now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 09, 2017, 12:12:34 PM
Tried it, Didn't work like it use to.

I learned how to turn on my board instead of tic tacking and gained more style and control moving up sizes and trying trucks that could actually turn haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 09, 2017, 09:40:05 PM
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The stock white bushings feel super loose until you break them in. Last time I got a new set of thunders I was getting crazy wheelbite with 53mm wheels for the first few weeks.
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See I don't get this.  Every set of trucks I've ever had, I've hated the fucking stock bushings and always just use bones but even fresh these white Thunder bushings feel like a million bucks!


It feels turny but stable.


I'll compare THunders and Indys.


 If you were carve a down a sidewalk with Indys it'd be like this



(
 )
(
)
(







But with Thunders it's like


\
/
\
/
\
/








Like Indys are more an S shape and feel smoother but fairly shallow where as these Thunders are more of a zig zag. They have a snappier/quicker response but don't feel like  loose truck at speed/going striaght.

exactly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on June 09, 2017, 09:58:15 PM
I'm getting a real big urge to switch to thunder from indy. The only thing thats stopping me is this question: is running 54mm without risers even possible without riding super tight? I'd hate to go down in wheel size, but the pull is strong.

I like almost everything about indy, the turn, the.. Maybe just the turn actually. The delayed pop has been messing with my head lately, I keep telling myself I'm just being picky.. But at the same time I need all the advantages I can get (since I suck). I love the pop of thunders, and the longer wheelbase, but the height worries me, the turn I think I could get used to.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on June 09, 2017, 10:46:57 PM
Quote from: Zimmer on June 09, 2017, 09:58:15 PM
I'm getting a real big urge to switch to thunder from indy. The only thing thats stopping me is this question: is running 54mm without risers even possible without riding super tight? I'd hate to go down in wheel size, but the pull is strong.

I like almost everything about indy, the turn, the.. Maybe just the turn actually. The delayed pop has been messing with my head lately, I keep telling myself I'm just being picky.. But at the same time I need all the advantages I can get (since I suck). I love the pop of thunders, and the longer wheelbase, but the height worries me, the turn I think I could get used to.

I think this depends on truck and deck width. The wider you go the more chance you'll need risers... the law of moments....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on June 09, 2017, 10:56:31 PM
I'd be riding 149's (with 8.38 to 8.5), I'm thinking I'll probably have to go down to 53mm, but I definitely don't want to.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on June 09, 2017, 11:03:12 PM
Quote from: Zimmer on June 09, 2017, 10:56:31 PM
I'd be riding 149's (with 8.38 to 8.5), I'm thinking I'll probably have to go down to 53mm, but I definitely don't want to.

Yeah, you might need risers depending on how much wheel bite you can handle. I'm currently on loose ace 44s with 54mm wheels on an 8.6", no risers and getting some significant wheel bite but enjoying the challenge of trying to land tricks cleaner...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on June 09, 2017, 11:33:25 PM
Just found out that gerwer rides 53mm with thunders, looks like its a done deal. I thought I was done messing with my setup so much.. this is the last time! :o
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on June 10, 2017, 12:16:14 AM
Tinker away Zimmer, all the cool kids/insane old men are doing it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 10, 2017, 10:25:58 AM
Quote from: Zimmer on June 09, 2017, 09:58:15 PM
I'm getting a real big urge to switch to thunder from indy. The only thing thats stopping me is this question: is running 54mm without risers even possible without riding super tight? I'd hate to go down in wheel size, but the pull is strong.

I like almost everything about indy, the turn, the.. Maybe just the turn actually. The delayed pop has been messing with my head lately, I keep telling myself I'm just being picky.. But at the same time I need all the advantages I can get (since I suck). I love the pop of thunders, and the longer wheelbase, but the height worries me, the turn I think I could get used to.

I've ridden 54s with team plates, it was a struggle as I ride loose 53 seem like the max unless you ride super tight or use risers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stanley Spadowski on June 10, 2017, 08:17:23 PM
Vision street wear trucks via Walmart
(http://i68.tinypic.com/30jtco4.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 20matar on June 11, 2017, 06:49:36 AM
Quote from: Stanley Spadowski on June 10, 2017, 08:17:23 PM
Vision street wear trucks via Walmart
(http://i68.tinypic.com/30jtco4.jpg)

"3-in-1 HYBRID board". So much mystery and wonder in such a short sentence. Eat your heart out, not-Hemingway. What could that even mean?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on June 11, 2017, 10:51:54 AM
Pretty cool they come with that Krux kingpin everybody here raves about
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 11, 2017, 05:47:17 PM
New royals? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on June 11, 2017, 09:39:01 PM
After much debate I decided to go home to Indy. I've missed the turning for one (and had they stayed at stage vii I would have never changed!). Anyway I kept reading that the stage xi used stage bio geometry and I can't resist. I'm still skating skinny boards though. I may inch myself back up to 8 but I just want to turn again first. Not that ventures don't turn, just not like indy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 11, 2017, 10:05:29 PM
you would think that with all the stage 7 love that indy would just re-release them and cash fat checks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 11, 2017, 11:01:17 PM
I think it's a lot of work to be running multiple designs......sure Indy makes more off of tshirts than trucks....

Indy turning radius is hard to live without.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on June 11, 2017, 11:28:42 PM
Quote from: 20matar on June 11, 2017, 06:49:36 AM
Quote from: Stanley Spadowski on June 10, 2017, 08:17:23 PM
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Vision street wear trucks via Walmart
(http://i68.tinypic.com/30jtco4.jpg)
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"3-in-1 HYBRID board". So much mystery and wonder in such a short sentence. Eat your heart out, not-Hemingway. What could that even mean?

Decided to check the walmart site to see why it was 3 in 1 and it's never explained. Then I went to the Darkstar boards and realized someone should swipe Decenzo from Darkstar. The man deserves better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 11, 2017, 11:46:00 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on June 11, 2017, 11:28:42 PM
Quote from: 20matar on June 11, 2017, 06:49:36 AM
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Quote from: Stanley Spadowski on June 10, 2017, 08:17:23 PM
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Vision street wear trucks via Walmart
(http://i68.tinypic.com/30jtco4.jpg)
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"3-in-1 HYBRID board". So much mystery and wonder in such a short sentence. Eat your heart out, not-Hemingway. What could that even mean?
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Decided to check the walmart site to see why it was 3 in 1 and it's never explained. Then I went to the Darkstar boards and realized someone should swipe Decenzo from Darkstar. The man deserves better.
I think its 31in, as in 31 inches long.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on June 11, 2017, 11:54:09 PM
It is only a collab with vision. Like the emericaXindependent collab for the Reynolds vulc. Sometimes they make the trucks, sometimes they make the shoes.

visionXchinesetruckcompany
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 12, 2017, 10:16:20 AM
Hey what if keith has been working on a stage vii remaster, new stage 12 that's basically a 53mm tall(cause ace height) and stage 7 feel/turn
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on June 12, 2017, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: rob on June 12, 2017, 10:16:20 AM
Hey what if keith has been working on a stage vii remaster, new stage 12 that's basically a 53mm tall(cause ace height) and stage 7 feel/turn

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/189ac9bdf65fcac89a2ed3d4901d8dc7/tumblr_mncxlreQxI1rexen5o1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 12, 2017, 11:34:10 AM
Quote from: rob on June 12, 2017, 10:16:20 AM
Hey what if keith has been working on a stage vii remaster, new stage 12 that's basically a 53mm tall(cause ace height) and stage 7 feel/turn
Call them and find out. (831) 459-7800
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 12, 2017, 12:38:53 PM
Ahaha your just gonna leak a number like that,

I just know from emailing and reading N.L. Post that he is working on a new Indy mid of some sorts but no idea if it's a new stage or just a mid so you now have Indys in all options(low, mid, and high) to kill the truck market, with only thunder and venture standing after that cause ermico and all

All I know Is I want a mid height Indy 144, perfect clearance and amount of lower center of gravity with turn perfect for 8.25
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on June 12, 2017, 01:08:49 PM
Quote from: rob on June 12, 2017, 12:38:53 PM
All I know Is I want a mid height Indy 144

A 144 with a forged baseplate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 12, 2017, 02:10:57 PM
Quote from: VCR on June 12, 2017, 01:08:49 PM
Quote from: rob on June 12, 2017, 12:38:53 PM
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All I know Is I want a mid height Indy 144
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A 144 with a forged baseplate?

Nah, forged baseplates are strong but feel so flimsy and thin so I like my trucks all classic gravity cast

Hey anyone who owns thunder 148's or Indy 144s are they much better than running 149 on an 8.25 ?

I'm running 149 Indys on my 8.25 and it's good and I love it but would the smallest size change make a difference in board feel and flip?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on June 12, 2017, 06:27:10 PM
Quote from: rob on June 12, 2017, 02:10:57 PM
Quote from: VCR on June 12, 2017, 01:08:49 PM
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All I know Is I want a mid height Indy 144
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A 144 with a forged baseplate?
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Nah, forged baseplates are strong but feel so flimsy and thin so I like my trucks all classic gravity cast

Hey anyone who owns thunder 148's or Indy 144s are they much better than running 149 on an 8.25 ?

I'm running 149 Indys on my 8.25 and it's good and I love it but would the smallest size change make a difference in board feel and flip?


went from 149 thunders on a 8.25 to the 148s on the same deck and its way more stable for flip tricks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 12, 2017, 06:41:53 PM
more stable ???
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 12, 2017, 11:06:24 PM
Yeah that's what I was thinking, it'll have that sort of flip ability like 147 but the stability like 149, I saw them at the shop and they look very very well made. Something about the thunder 148 overall quality sticks out to me. It really looked like a revamped/remastered thunder to my keen eyes.

It didn't bulk out like a 149 even though they're the same height but it didn't look tight and low like a 147. Like the right porridge I would say
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shitcunt on June 13, 2017, 06:38:21 AM
Quote from: N.L. on June 09, 2017, 10:46:57 PM
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I'm getting a real big urge to switch to thunder from indy. The only thing thats stopping me is this question: is running 54mm without risers even possible without riding super tight? I'd hate to go down in wheel size, but the pull is strong.

I like almost everything about indy, the turn, the.. Maybe just the turn actually. The delayed pop has been messing with my head lately, I keep telling myself I'm just being picky.. But at the same time I need all the advantages I can get (since I suck). I love the pop of thunders, and the longer wheelbase, but the height worries me, the turn I think I could get used to.
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I think this depends on truck and deck width. The wider you go the more chance you'll need risers... the law of moments....

I skate 54s on thunders with the forged baseplate and no risers. I keep them on the looser side of medium and haven't had any issues. I got more wheelbite when I skated indys at approximately the same tightness. My consistency has honestly gotten so much better after switching but I pretty much only skate ledges.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on June 13, 2017, 07:08:38 AM
Quote from: rob on June 12, 2017, 11:06:24 PM
Yeah that's what I was thinking, it'll have that sort of flip ability like 147 but the stability like 149, I saw them at the shop and they look very very well made. Something about the thunder 148 overall quality sticks out to me. It really looked like a revamped/remastered thunder to my keen eyes.

It didn't bulk out like a 149 even though they're the same height but it didn't look tight and low like a 147. Like the right porridge I would say
I can't believe I'm saying this because I didn't think it was possible but man, you smoke too much weed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 13, 2017, 07:52:09 AM
Quote from: rob on June 12, 2017, 11:06:24 PM
Yeah that's what I was thinking, it'll have that sort of flip ability like 147 but the stability like 149, I saw them at the shop and they look very very well made. Something about the thunder 148 overall quality sticks out to me. It really looked like a revamped/remastered thunder to my keen eyes.

It didn't bulk out like a 149 even though they're the same height but it didn't look tight and low like a 147. Like the right porridge I would say

I think you're losing your mind rob.  All they are is a 149 with a slightly shorter axle and hangar width.  literally no different otherwise
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 13, 2017, 08:59:00 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on June 13, 2017, 07:52:09 AM
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Yeah that's what I was thinking, it'll have that sort of flip ability like 147 but the stability like 149, I saw them at the shop and they look very very well made. Something about the thunder 148 overall quality sticks out to me. It really looked like a revamped/remastered thunder to my keen eyes.

It didn't bulk out like a 149 even though they're the same height but it didn't look tight and low like a 147. Like the right porridge I would say
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I think you're losing your mind rob.  All they are is a 149 with a slightly shorter axle and hangar width.  literally no different otherwise

Really?

I believe you but at the same time I'm still thinking they're a significant amount of difference that gives them a better feel compared to 149 on an 8.25
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 13, 2017, 11:14:37 AM
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Yeah that's what I was thinking, it'll have that sort of flip ability like 147 but the stability like 149, I saw them at the shop and they look very very well made. Something about the thunder 148 overall quality sticks out to me. It really looked like a revamped/remastered thunder to my keen eyes.

It didn't bulk out like a 149 even though they're the same height but it didn't look tight and low like a 147. Like the right porridge I would say
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I think you're losing your mind rob.  All they are is a 149 with a slightly shorter axle and hangar width.  literally no different otherwise
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Really?

I believe you but at the same time I'm still thinking they're a significant amount of difference that gives them a better feel compared to 149 on an 8.25

what difference are your referencing?  they're the same height with the same geometry
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on June 13, 2017, 12:00:10 PM
Quote from: shitcunt on June 13, 2017, 06:38:21 AM
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I'm getting a real big urge to switch to thunder from indy. The only thing thats stopping me is this question: is running 54mm without risers even possible without riding super tight? I'd hate to go down in wheel size, but the pull is strong.

I like almost everything about indy, the turn, the.. Maybe just the turn actually. The delayed pop has been messing with my head lately, I keep telling myself I'm just being picky.. But at the same time I need all the advantages I can get (since I suck). I love the pop of thunders, and the longer wheelbase, but the height worries me, the turn I think I could get used to.
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I think this depends on truck and deck width. The wider you go the more chance you'll need risers... the law of moments....
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I skate 54s on thunders with the forged baseplate and no risers. I keep them on the looser side of medium and haven't had any issues. I got more wheelbite when I skated indys at approximately the same tightness. My consistency has honestly gotten so much better after switching but I pretty much only skate ledges.

That's just what I wanted to hear! I already bought some 53mm's, but its good to know 54's aren't much of a problem. Can't wait to get back on some thunders :o I didn't mind stage 11's, but I think they're just too high (and I still get a good amount of wheel bite too).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 13, 2017, 05:23:48 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on June 13, 2017, 07:52:09 AM
I think you're losing your mind rob.
I hope not, can you imagine him in the asylum?
"but nurse, NURSE! I really am just going to stick with indys for the rest of my life"
"sure rob, that's what you said last week too before switched to krux and then back to thunder in a matter of two hours"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on June 13, 2017, 07:06:47 PM
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I think you're losing your mind rob.
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I hope not, can you imagine him in the asylum?
"but nurse, NURSE! I really am just going to stick with indys for the rest of my life"
"sure rob, that's what you said last week too before switched to krux and then back to thunder in a matter of two hours"

they could make a whole season of american horror story based on slap's truck mania.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: kook nukem on June 14, 2017, 11:01:02 AM
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I think you're losing your mind rob.
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I hope not, can you imagine him in the asylum?
"but nurse, NURSE! I really am just going to stick with indys for the rest of my life"
"sure rob, that's what you said last week too before switched to krux and then back to thunder in a matter of two hours"
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they could make a whole season of american horror story based on slap's truck mania.
Wouldn't sleep for a week after watching.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 15, 2017, 04:49:46 AM
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Yeah that's what I was thinking, it'll have that sort of flip ability like 147 but the stability like 149, I saw them at the shop and they look very very well made. Something about the thunder 148 overall quality sticks out to me. It really looked like a revamped/remastered thunder to my keen eyes.

It didn't bulk out like a 149 even though they're the same height but it didn't look tight and low like a 147. Like the right porridge I would say
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I think you're losing your mind rob.  All they are is a 149 with a slightly shorter axle and hangar width.  literally no different otherwise
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Really?

I believe you but at the same time I'm still thinking they're a significant amount of difference that gives them a better feel compared to 149 on an 8.25

WARNING. LONG ASS, BANDWITH RIDDEN POST BELOW.






If you have two identical 8.25 decks in every single possible way (same wheels, grip, bushings etc...) except one for example has plain silver Indys 139's and one had plain silver Indy 149s,  then technically  yes, each deck would feel different when riding.  However, just recently and I got a complete from skate warehouse and they accidentally put the barcode for 149 onto a 148 so it registered as a 149 in their system but I was actually shipped a 148, and they looked so  similar I almost didn't notice.   Now I've only skated 148s  for a couple minutes on a friends 8.3 board, and while I did prefer my 149's on basically the same size deck, that might have just been because my set up had the wheels, grip etc. that I prefer.

I just can't see that you would really notice a  drastic difference between 148 and 149's on an 8.25.  I feel like where you might notice the difference using 148s would be on an 8.125 or  something just under 8.25 in that to my eye, the difference between 147s and 148's and is more  significant than the difference between 148's and 149's  

Then again, look at this video here. He's writing 149's on an 8.3 and even though  they are 8.5 inch trucks,  he says that they are 8.25 trucks which is good because they're thinner than your board by a hair so when you lock into grinds on one side of your truck that it lines up better,  even though,  The trucks are technically slightly wider than the board so who knows. Like I've said before, skating is 99.9% mental and this thread proves it.  Hell, most pros who fucking rip ride a board size and truck size that don't match and just use the shitty stock bushings (unless they are Thunders or Krux. Those both have amazing stock bushings).



Get Set Up | Chris Cole (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNNQg45PEEQ#)





Not trying to come off as a dick or a know it all or anytime like that in this post. Just trying to give my opinion.












PS, if anyone was wondering, Tthunder 149s on my 8.375 look like they are too wide when you look at the deck upside down but when you are riding it's absolutely perfect. Maybe on an 8.25, 148s will be better and you might be thinking, "Duh! They are 8.25 trucks. Of course they will be the best trucks for an 8.25 deck" but even when I used to ride 8.25 decks and 149s I never once thought, "gee I wish these trucks were just the tinyiest, most minute bit smaller", but on anything from like an 8.25 deck to an 8.6 I'd still prefer 149s over 148s every day. I just like how wider trucks turn and you have more room to grind.



(https://s15.postimg.org/qllem27mz/IMG_0200.jpg)

(https://s21.postimg.org/q2qs8yo4n/IMG_0199.jpg)







PPS, didn't someone say the quality of the 148s seemed better than the 149s? Well here's a pic of when I had them both brand new and the quality looks identical.





(https://s21.postimg.org/6ix0vwi6v/IMG_1708.jpg)

(https://s16.postimg.org/5jtdhxig5/IMG_1709.jpg)








PPPS. I can say that while I actually prefer the turn of the stock Thunder bushings, bones bushings with only a top washer fit perfectly. You will however get wheel bite like fucking crazy unless you use Bones hards.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on June 15, 2017, 04:52:58 AM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on June 13, 2017, 05:23:48 PM
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I think you're losing your mind rob.
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I hope not, can you imagine him in the asylum?
"but nurse, NURSE! I really am just going to stick with indys for the rest of my life"
"sure rob, that's what you said last week too before switched to krux and then back to thunder in a matter of two hours"

would definitely be looking to order the straitjacket with the downlow krux inverted sleeves because the other sleeves would give him armbite
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 15, 2017, 10:04:03 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on June 13, 2017, 07:52:09 AM
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Yeah that's what I was thinking, it'll have that sort of flip ability like 147 but the stability like 149, I saw them at the shop and they look very very well made. Something about the thunder 148 overall quality sticks out to me. It really looked like a revamped/remastered thunder to my keen eyes.

It didn't bulk out like a 149 even though they're the same height but it didn't look tight and low like a 147. Like the right porridge I would say
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I think you're losing your mind rob.  All they are is a 149 with a slightly shorter axle and hangar width.  literally no different otherwise

Or a 147 with a slightly larger axle and hanger width  ???
 ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 15, 2017, 11:18:05 AM
Quote from: Xen on June 15, 2017, 10:04:03 AM
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Yeah that's what I was thinking, it'll have that sort of flip ability like 147 but the stability like 149, I saw them at the shop and they look very very well made. Something about the thunder 148 overall quality sticks out to me. It really looked like a revamped/remastered thunder to my keen eyes.

It didn't bulk out like a 149 even though they're the same height but it didn't look tight and low like a 147. Like the right porridge I would say
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I think you're losing your mind rob.  All they are is a 149 with a slightly shorter axle and hangar width.  literally no different otherwise
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Or a 147 with a slightly larger axle and hanger width  ???
 ;)


They are actually different than the 147 because they have the same height as the 149
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: eshins on June 16, 2017, 07:46:06 AM
Quote from: Zimmer on June 09, 2017, 09:58:15 PM
I'm getting a real big urge to switch to thunder from indy. The only thing thats stopping me is this question: is running 54mm without risers even possible without riding super tight? I'd hate to go down in wheel size, but the pull is strong.

I like almost everything about indy, the turn, the.. Maybe just the turn actually. The delayed pop has been messing with my head lately, I keep telling myself I'm just being picky.. But at the same time I need all the advantages I can get (since I suck). I love the pop of thunders, and the longer wheelbase, but the height worries me, the turn I think I could get used to.

I just tried 149 thunders with 54mm conical f4's without risers, but put risers on after a month. The wheelbite is pretty wild even after tightening your trucks up just enough to still be able to turn. I just couldn't land tre's, the real annoying part is something I've never even thought about, the wheels stick out further than the baseplate making locking in to nose slides and tail slides impossible unless you pretty much do a powerslide.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on June 16, 2017, 08:06:56 AM
^^^the wide wheels definitely didn't help you at all either
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on June 16, 2017, 08:12:06 AM
Quote from: eshins on June 16, 2017, 07:46:06 AM
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I'm getting a real big urge to switch to thunder from indy. The only thing thats stopping me is this question: is running 54mm without risers even possible without riding super tight? I'd hate to go down in wheel size, but the pull is strong.

I like almost everything about indy, the turn, the.. Maybe just the turn actually. The delayed pop has been messing with my head lately, I keep telling myself I'm just being picky.. But at the same time I need all the advantages I can get (since I suck). I love the pop of thunders, and the longer wheelbase, but the height worries me, the turn I think I could get used to.
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the real annoying part is something I've never even thought about, the wheels stick out further than the baseplate making locking in to nose slides and tail slides impossible unless you pretty much do a powerslide.
Are Thunders good for noseslides?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shitcunt on June 16, 2017, 08:21:33 AM
Quote from: eshins on June 16, 2017, 07:46:06 AM
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I'm getting a real big urge to switch to thunder from indy. The only thing thats stopping me is this question: is running 54mm without risers even possible without riding super tight? I'd hate to go down in wheel size, but the pull is strong.

I like almost everything about indy, the turn, the.. Maybe just the turn actually. The delayed pop has been messing with my head lately, I keep telling myself I'm just being picky.. But at the same time I need all the advantages I can get (since I suck). I love the pop of thunders, and the longer wheelbase, but the height worries me, the turn I think I could get used to.
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I just tried 149 thunders with 54mm conical f4's without risers, but put risers on after a month. The wheelbite is pretty wild even after tightening your trucks up just enough to still be able to turn. I just couldn't land tre's, the real annoying part is something I've never even thought about, the wheels stick out further than the baseplate making locking in to nose slides and tail slides impossible unless you pretty much do a powerslide.
I've skate the same setup without issue, looser side of medium, I'm 165 lbs though so your milage may vary. Granted I live in the northeast so my 54s are only 54s for a week or so. The baseplate thing does suck though, I don't get how thunder just overlooks such a glaring design flaw.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 16, 2017, 09:15:28 AM
Quote from: shitcunt on June 16, 2017, 08:21:33 AM
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I'm getting a real big urge to switch to thunder from indy. The only thing thats stopping me is this question: is running 54mm without risers even possible without riding super tight? I'd hate to go down in wheel size, but the pull is strong.

I like almost everything about indy, the turn, the.. Maybe just the turn actually. The delayed pop has been messing with my head lately, I keep telling myself I'm just being picky.. But at the same time I need all the advantages I can get (since I suck). I love the pop of thunders, and the longer wheelbase, but the height worries me, the turn I think I could get used to.
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I just tried 149 thunders with 54mm conical f4's without risers, but put risers on after a month. The wheelbite is pretty wild even after tightening your trucks up just enough to still be able to turn. I just couldn't land tre's, the real annoying part is something I've never even thought about, the wheels stick out further than the baseplate making locking in to nose slides and tail slides impossible unless you pretty much do a powerslide.
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I've skate the same setup without issue, looser side of medium, I'm 165 lbs though so your milage may vary. Granted I live in the northeast so my 54s are only 54s for a week or so. The baseplate thing does suck though, I don't get how thunder just overlooks such a glaring design flaw.


Everyone makes fun of the nose/tail slide question but it is legitimately easier to slide when the baseplate comes into contact with the ledge vs just the wheels.  One more reason to love Venture

Also, Thunder is working on an extended baseplate at the request of Ishod
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 17, 2017, 08:14:09 AM
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Yeah that's what I was thinking, it'll have that sort of flip ability like 147 but the stability like 149, I saw them at the shop and they look very very well made. Something about the thunder 148 overall quality sticks out to me. It really looked like a revamped/remastered thunder to my keen eyes.

It didn't bulk out like a 149 even though they're the same height but it didn't look tight and low like a 147. Like the right porridge I would say
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I think you're losing your mind rob.  All they are is a 149 with a slightly shorter axle and hangar width.  literally no different otherwise
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Or a 147 with a slightly larger axle and hanger width  ???
 ;)

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They are actually different than the 147 because they have the same height as the 149

Just took pics to sell off my 147/149 ti thunders and lined them up, I never knew/noticed how much taller the 149s were, it's equal to a hi and a lo, crazy!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 17, 2017, 10:59:54 PM
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I'm getting a real big urge to switch to thunder from indy. The only thing thats stopping me is this question: is running 54mm without risers even possible without riding super tight? I'd hate to go down in wheel size, but the pull is strong.

I like almost everything about indy, the turn, the.. Maybe just the turn actually. The delayed pop has been messing with my head lately, I keep telling myself I'm just being picky.. But at the same time I need all the advantages I can get (since I suck). I love the pop of thunders, and the longer wheelbase, but the height worries me, the turn I think I could get used to.
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I just tried 149 thunders with 54mm conical f4's without risers, but put risers on after a month. The wheelbite is pretty wild even after tightening your trucks up just enough to still be able to turn. I just couldn't land tre's, the real annoying part is something I've never even thought about, the wheels stick out further than the baseplate making locking in to nose slides and tail slides impossible unless you pretty much do a powerslide.
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I've skate the same setup without issue, looser side of medium, I'm 165 lbs though so your milage may vary. Granted I live in the northeast so my 54s are only 54s for a week or so. The baseplate thing does suck though, I don't get how thunder just overlooks such a glaring design flaw.
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it is legitimately easier to slide when the baseplate comes into contact with the ledge vs just the wheels. 

Or rather than using different trucks you could always just use more wax and/or go faster lol.



Also, does anyone know the height of 147s?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 17, 2017, 11:13:36 PM
After being pitched repeatedly, I'm blaming all of Ed Templeton's concussions on Thunders.

I'm riding stock Ventures still.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on June 18, 2017, 02:02:25 AM
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I'm getting a real big urge to switch to thunder from indy. The only thing thats stopping me is this question: is running 54mm without risers even possible without riding super tight? I'd hate to go down in wheel size, but the pull is strong.

I like almost everything about indy, the turn, the.. Maybe just the turn actually. The delayed pop has been messing with my head lately, I keep telling myself I'm just being picky.. But at the same time I need all the advantages I can get (since I suck). I love the pop of thunders, and the longer wheelbase, but the height worries me, the turn I think I could get used to.
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I just tried 149 thunders with 54mm conical f4's without risers, but put risers on after a month. The wheelbite is pretty wild even after tightening your trucks up just enough to still be able to turn. I just couldn't land tre's, the real annoying part is something I've never even thought about, the wheels stick out further than the baseplate making locking in to nose slides and tail slides impossible unless you pretty much do a powerslide.
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I've skate the same setup without issue, looser side of medium, I'm 165 lbs though so your milage may vary. Granted I live in the northeast so my 54s are only 54s for a week or so. The baseplate thing does suck though, I don't get how thunder just overlooks such a glaring design flaw.
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it is legitimately easier to slide when the baseplate comes into contact with the ledge vs just the wheels. 
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Or rather than using different trucks you could always just use more wax and/or go faster lol.



Also, does anyone know the height of 147s?
They're like 49.75 or some shit. Basically 50mm.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Doughboy on June 18, 2017, 04:08:28 AM
With all of the Thunder talk as of late... I am going to go ahead and ask this question... Does anyone else think that some of the wheelbite issues or difficulty to break in Thunder bushings could be solved if Thunders would just come stock with a barrel bottom bushing instead of the conical bottoms they come with? Even a barrel bottom aftermarket that geometrically matches with Thunders would be cool. This has been on my mind for many years now and I just figured I'd see what ya'll think.
   I really think that for a truck that already has a much sharper geometry than Indy, Venture, or Ace (all barrel bottom bushing trucks) that it would make sense for Thunder to have a barrel bottom bushing to off-set the already drastically sharp geometry.
   Somewhere in the Thunder timeline, like pre 2000 they had barrel bottoms...??? :P


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 18, 2017, 06:12:11 PM
Quote from: Doughboy on June 18, 2017, 04:08:28 AM
With all of the Thunder talk as of late... I am going to go ahead and ask this question... Does anyone else think that some of the wheelbite issues or difficulty to break in Thunder bushings could be solved if Thunders would just come stock with a barrel bottom bushing instead of the conical bottoms they come with? Even a barrel bottom aftermarket that geometrically matches with Thunders would be cool. This has been on my mind for many years now and I just figured I'd see what ya'll think.
   I really think that for a truck that already has a much sharper geometry than Indy, Venture, or Ace (all barrel bottom bushing trucks) that it would make sense for Thunder to have a barrel bottom bushing to off-set the already drastically sharp geometry.
   Somewhere in the Thunder timeline, like pre 2000 they had barrel bottoms...??? :P




Just like putting conicals in indys quicken the turn, putting barrels in thunders slow it down; however, truck and wheel height is still the biggest contributing factor for wheel bite.

Stock thunder bottom bushings are really tall, like ace/krux tall, even bones/indy stock/aftermarkets, with a washer are shorter than stock thunders with a washer. I find leaving them stock is best, even tho the bushings aren't responsive compared to the others.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: eshins on June 19, 2017, 02:13:23 AM
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I'm getting a real big urge to switch to thunder from indy. The only thing thats stopping me is this question: is running 54mm without risers even possible without riding super tight? I'd hate to go down in wheel size, but the pull is strong.

I like almost everything about indy, the turn, the.. Maybe just the turn actually. The delayed pop has been messing with my head lately, I keep telling myself I'm just being picky.. But at the same time I need all the advantages I can get (since I suck). I love the pop of thunders, and the longer wheelbase, but the height worries me, the turn I think I could get used to.
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I just tried 149 thunders with 54mm conical f4's without risers, but put risers on after a month. The wheelbite is pretty wild even after tightening your trucks up just enough to still be able to turn. I just couldn't land tre's, the real annoying part is something I've never even thought about, the wheels stick out further than the baseplate making locking in to nose slides and tail slides impossible unless you pretty much do a powerslide.
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I've skate the same setup without issue, looser side of medium, I'm 165 lbs though so your milage may vary. Granted I live in the northeast so my 54s are only 54s for a week or so. The baseplate thing does suck though, I don't get how thunder just overlooks such a glaring design flaw.
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it is legitimately easier to slide when the baseplate comes into contact with the ledge vs just the wheels. 
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Or rather than using different trucks you could always just use more wax and/or go faster lol.



See thats not the issue, the baseplate doesnt come into contact with the ledge so you can't lock into a good slide. I dont know about you but I like for my tail/nose slides to lock in against the baseplate for more control, besides depending on your wheels you might end up flatspotting your wheels after a few slides because of this issue
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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I'm getting a real big urge to switch to thunder from indy. The only thing thats stopping me is this question: is running 54mm without risers even possible without riding super tight? I'd hate to go down in wheel size, but the pull is strong.

I like almost everything about indy, the turn, the.. Maybe just the turn actually. The delayed pop has been messing with my head lately, I keep telling myself I'm just being picky.. But at the same time I need all the advantages I can get (since I suck). I love the pop of thunders, and the longer wheelbase, but the height worries me, the turn I think I could get used to.
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I just tried 149 thunders with 54mm conical f4's without risers, but put risers on after a month. The wheelbite is pretty wild even after tightening your trucks up just enough to still be able to turn. I just couldn't land tre's, the real annoying part is something I've never even thought about, the wheels stick out further than the baseplate making locking in to nose slides and tail slides impossible unless you pretty much do a powerslide.
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I've skate the same setup without issue, looser side of medium, I'm 165 lbs though so your milage may vary. Granted I live in the northeast so my 54s are only 54s for a week or so. The baseplate thing does suck though, I don't get how thunder just overlooks such a glaring design flaw.
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it is legitimately easier to slide when the baseplate comes into contact with the ledge vs just the wheels. 
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Or rather than using different trucks you could always just use more wax and/or go faster lol.


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See thats not the issue, the baseplate doesnt come into contact with the ledge so you can't lock into a good slide. I dont know about you but I like for my tail/nose slides to lock in against the baseplate for more control, besides depending on your wheels you might end up flatspotting your wheels after a few slides because of this issue
I get what you're saying. But going faster or using more wax would 100% help the issue of your wheels sliding.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on June 19, 2017, 02:57:17 PM
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I'm getting a real big urge to switch to thunder from indy. The only thing thats stopping me is this question: is running 54mm without risers even possible without riding super tight? I'd hate to go down in wheel size, but the pull is strong.

I like almost everything about indy, the turn, the.. Maybe just the turn actually. The delayed pop has been messing with my head lately, I keep telling myself I'm just being picky.. But at the same time I need all the advantages I can get (since I suck). I love the pop of thunders, and the longer wheelbase, but the height worries me, the turn I think I could get used to.
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I just tried 149 thunders with 54mm conical f4's without risers, but put risers on after a month. The wheelbite is pretty wild even after tightening your trucks up just enough to still be able to turn. I just couldn't land tre's, the real annoying part is something I've never even thought about, the wheels stick out further than the baseplate making locking in to nose slides and tail slides impossible unless you pretty much do a powerslide.
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I've skate the same setup without issue, looser side of medium, I'm 165 lbs though so your milage may vary. Granted I live in the northeast so my 54s are only 54s for a week or so. The baseplate thing does suck though, I don't get how thunder just overlooks such a glaring design flaw.
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Also, Thunder is working on an extended baseplate at the request of Ishod

Just when I thought I was done buying more trucks...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on June 19, 2017, 06:13:45 PM
Finally got my 149 thunders, slapped them on and went for a cruise.. My god they're so perfect :o I don't know why I was so adamant about riding indy all this time, I'm a fool! Somehow thunders manage to be quick/nimble, AND stable. The pop is just right. I've found my home.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 19, 2017, 07:08:05 PM
Quote from: Zimmer on June 19, 2017, 06:13:45 PM
Finally got my 149 thunders, slapped them on and went for a cruise.. My god they're so perfect :o I don't know why I was so adamant about riding indy all this time, I'm a fool! Somehow thunders manage to be quick/nimble, AND stable. The pop is just right. I've found my home.
I couldn't agree more with every word of this if I tried.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on June 20, 2017, 08:00:16 AM
I've settled back into Indy. Stage 11 seem pretty good so far, the familiar turning feels like home. Almost safe enough again to buy some "F#*k the rest" gear
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 20, 2017, 05:15:21 PM
Quote from: fang on June 20, 2017, 08:00:16 AM
I've settled back into Indy. Stage 11 seem pretty good so far, the familiar turning feels like home. Almost safe enough again to buy some "F#*k the rest" gear

Was off the board for close to week due to work so, being off for that long, I switched it up from 8" thunders (soft bones) to 8.25" indys (forged, aftermarket 88a conicals/riptide pivot cups) and fuck it was so comfy - pop was off but the feel was spot on.

I force myself to ride thunders due to the little push in wheelbase, pop [and weight].
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 20, 2017, 05:46:45 PM
Quote from: Zimmer on June 19, 2017, 06:13:45 PM
The pop is just right.
you're one of the lucky ones, it took me so long to get used to the delayed (?) pop after riding indys for close to 20+ years
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on June 20, 2017, 05:57:54 PM
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The pop is just right.
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you're one of the lucky ones, it took me so long to get used to the delayed (?) pop after riding indys for close to 20+ years

I'm sure I could've gotten used to it eventually, but:

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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 20, 2017, 07:48:51 PM
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I think you're losing your mind rob.
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I hope not, can you imagine him in the asylum?
"but nurse, NURSE! I really am just going to stick with indys for the rest of my life"
"sure rob, that's what you said last week too before switched to krux and then back to thunder in a matter of two hours"

Hahahhahaha man you guys are funny, and old reply but I do notice a difference on slides locking in with baseplates that stick out. Makes it super easy to do slide shuv outs

I got the 148 and yeah they're just a slimmer lighter 149, not as bulky and carvy but does flip faster than 149.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Doughboy on June 21, 2017, 01:38:14 PM
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With all of the Thunder talk as of late... I am going to go ahead and ask this question... Does anyone else think that some of the wheelbite issues or difficulty to break in Thunder bushings could be solved if Thunders would just come stock with a barrel bottom bushing instead of the conical bottoms they come with? Even a barrel bottom aftermarket that geometrically matches with Thunders would be cool. This has been on my mind for many years now and I just figured I'd see what ya'll think.
   I really think that for a truck that already has a much sharper geometry than Indy, Venture, or Ace (all barrel bottom bushing trucks) that it would make sense for Thunder to have a barrel bottom bushing to off-set the already drastically sharp geometry.
   Somewhere in the Thunder timeline, like pre 2000 they had barrel bottoms...??? :P



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Just like putting conicals in indys quicken the turn, putting barrels in thunders slow it down; however, truck and wheel height is still the biggest contributing factor for wheel bite.

Stock thunder bottom bushings are really tall, like ace/krux tall, even bones/indy stock/aftermarkets, with a washer are shorter than stock thunders with a washer. I find leaving them stock is best, even tho the bushings aren't responsive compared to the others.
Yeah man thanks for taking a look at what I wrote and providing some insight. I was legitimately interested to find out if anyone else has ever thought about the benefits that a barrel bottom bushing in Thunders could provide. I know I am probably a minority in this though, but in my mind it would make sense to have a barrel bottom stock or even an aftermarket Thunder branded option...
My main points of reasoning are...
1. Thunders already have a distinct and dynamically more quick/sharp geometry than Indy, Venture, and Ace.
2. Thunders are the lowest standard height of all of above listed brands 52.3ish mm. I'm talking about 149's of course.
3. From my own personal experience/preference, and again maybe I am in the minority opinion with this one... For me it seems that barrel bottoms feel more stable when new than conical bottoms. I believe that decreases the amount of time it takes to break them in and thus gives more time to enjoy your ride.

With all that said, I do really like Thunders. Thunders are a smooth operator. When I skate them I keep the bushings stock and the kingpin nut flush or slightly looser than flush and that seems to give me decent results. I think I would just prefer barrels though. I also think that alot of the people that experience major wheelbite issues, think Thunders are too twitchy, or whatever kind of things I have heard people say about them would benefit if there was a Thunder branded compatible barrel bottom option... I'm not here to complain or ask Deluxe to reinvent the wheel, in this case the bushing or anything. I'm just some dude and Deluxe is Deluxe so I'm sure somewhere there is some reasoning for what they do :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 21, 2017, 06:44:41 PM
I guess you can tinker with harder bushings or washers which might change the height......

It's sounds dumb but my thunders went on my miniramp set up and I ride em tight......

I've asked a bunch of people if they have wheelbite problems...and while it is kinda common....part of me thinks its skill related....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: le88 on June 21, 2017, 07:38:49 PM
I've had these 149 thunders for a while now, flush with the kingpin, never messed with it too much and they are perfection. it did feel weird going from 149 indys to these coz of the height difference. And thinking of trying out the 148s just because
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on June 21, 2017, 07:50:34 PM
Bottom barrels on thunders does sound like a good idea, for now I think I'm gonna order up some 95a replacements. The stock sets are a little too soft for me!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 21, 2017, 09:27:11 PM
Quote from: Zimmer on June 21, 2017, 07:50:34 PM
Bottom barrels on thunders does sound like a good idea, for now I think I'm gonna order up some 95a replacements. The stock sets are a little too soft for me!
pretty much magic once you break them in though! Give it 3-4 sessions and then adjust accrodingly
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 21, 2017, 11:19:07 PM
Hey....um...someone posted up some dirt cheap theeves in the sale thread......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on June 22, 2017, 05:53:45 PM
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Bottom barrels on thunders does sound like a good idea, for now I think I'm gonna order up some 95a replacements. The stock sets are a little too soft for me!
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pretty much magic once you break them in though! Give it 3-4 sessions and then adjust accrodingly

I just finished swapping in some white bushings from my hollow lights (that are a little more broken in), so I'll give it some more time before I go to the 95's!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on June 22, 2017, 07:50:23 PM
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Bottom barrels on thunders does sound like a good idea, for now I think I'm gonna order up some 95a replacements. The stock sets are a little too soft for me!
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pretty much magic once you break them in though! Give it 3-4 sessions and then adjust accrodingly
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I just finished swapping in some white bushings from my hollow lights (that are a little more broken in), so I'll give it some more time before I go to the 95's!

Sick signature. Frank? Where's the clip from?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 22, 2017, 08:05:07 PM
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Frank! Where's the clip from?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTukFuM4g2M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTukFuM4g2M)

Edit: Just realised, Frank is #teamdogdrugs too
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Bottom barrels on thunders does sound like a good idea, for now I think I'm gonna order up some 95a replacements. The stock sets are a little too soft for me!
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pretty much magic once you break them in though! Give it 3-4 sessions and then adjust accrodingly
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I just finished swapping in some white bushings from my hollow lights (that are a little more broken in), so I'll give it some more time before I go to the 95's!
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Sick signature. Frank? Where's the clip from?

It sure is! And its from that ^^ the eagle vid
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 23, 2017, 04:13:32 AM
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Bottom barrels on thunders does sound like a good idea, for now I think I'm gonna order up some 95a replacements. The stock sets are a little too soft for me!
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pretty much magic once you break them in though! Give it 3-4 sessions and then adjust accrodingly
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I just finished swapping in some white bushings from my hollow lights (that are a little more broken in), so I'll give it some more time before I go to the 95's!
the white ones are perfect. Basically the same hardness as the bones mediums I was riding in my old thunders and they turn just as good,but don't feel as floppy. Mush more stable ride but still a super quick turn!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shitcunt on June 23, 2017, 12:51:55 PM
Does a Krux kingpin in thunder 149s work? I'm sure it's been discussed before but it would be rough sifting through this thread to find where.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on June 23, 2017, 12:53:48 PM
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Does a Krux kingpin in thunder 149s work? I'm sure it's been discussed before but it would be rough sifting through this thread to find where.

Yup I did that for a while worked perfectly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on June 23, 2017, 04:19:45 PM
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Does a Krux kingpin in thunder 149s work? I'm sure it's been discussed before but it would be rough sifting through this thread to find where.

Yes but in cast base plates only
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shitcunt on June 26, 2017, 08:46:06 AM
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Yes but in cast base plates only
Damn, I got forged cause that was all my shop had. I honestly might just pick up a set of the 148's and swap out the base plate until I war these out.
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Does a Krux kingpin in thunder 149s work? I'm sure it's been discussed before but it would be rough sifting through this thread to find where.
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Yes but in cast base plates only
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Damn, I got forged cause that was all my shop had. I honestly might just pick up a set of the 148's and swap out the base plate until I war these out.

Not certain, but I'm pretty sure you can still hammer out the kingpin in forged baseplates, just takes a lot more effort.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Does a Krux kingpin in thunder 149s work? I'm sure it's been discussed before but it would be rough sifting through this thread to find where.
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Yes but in cast base plates only
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Damn, I got forged cause that was all my shop had. I honestly might just pick up a set of the 148's and swap out the base plate until I war these out.
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Not certain, but I'm pretty sure you can still hammer out the kingpin in forged baseplates, just takes a lot more effort.

Hammering out the hollowpin in forged thunder plates isn't the issue, the thin nature of the plates is...you see, the kingpin nut won't be recessed enough in the baseplate for the plate to sit flush against the deck (though once you tighten it all down it will after it pushes into to the ply).

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 26, 2017, 11:06:13 PM
I had to cut down some old gullwing inverted and it wasn't easy and ran into a similar problem....I threw on a washer to fill up the kingpin...rode a thin riser....considered routing out the deck too but got it sorted....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on June 28, 2017, 12:18:46 PM
lookin fir some gently used thunder 149s.  see classifieds
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 28, 2017, 03:07:17 PM
Quote from: art hellman on June 28, 2017, 12:18:46 PM
lookin fir some gently used thunder 149s.  see classifieds

PM'd ya

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_H6PaTvY8a2GIF2AGs9xSKjgmqYqNnOaYxreKh4ECmyPW_92ewrFEcBB_I8kmDykx7giy6LwdbecwkpUIRtm72aS2B4gSbZDK9HF9CqI-B6T3xpoZvI8Wdk6GtAnYR3hb-md3sg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/tE0p-JhAMmDpS072_PR-vHWPZ89dkGESCG2Ot4KfAt5DrpfPAC2BMvG4_d0wh5BTjqI243MLPT62a2SZWhzP3vmVYIm9Hccd8RhJXyYzOD0QxTXFT5AxZnGW5vCXpwctjWOQqJM)

Can swap red team plates if you want them instead;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 28, 2017, 03:35:24 PM
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lookin fir some gently used thunder 149s.  see classifieds
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PM'd ya
Watch out, 145's that have been run over by a car are going to show up...
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on June 28, 2017, 06:49:21 PM
nah. thanks tho xen. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 29, 2017, 01:22:20 PM
Does anyone have or know where I can get the old thunder 149ers? The lower ones that were shaped like the now silver L-class
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on June 29, 2017, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: rob on June 29, 2017, 01:22:20 PM
Does anyone have or know where I can get the old thunder 149ers? The lower ones that were shaped like the now silver L-class


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thunder-149ers-Skateboard-Trucks-/371902787383?hash=item5697222f37:g:kgAAAOSwB-1Y1S-C (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thunder-149ers-Skateboard-Trucks-/371902787383?hash=item5697222f37:g:kgAAAOSwB-1Y1S-C)


but that price is a bit too high for the condition IMO
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on June 29, 2017, 05:43:49 PM
Quote from: rob on June 29, 2017, 01:22:20 PM
Does anyone have or know where I can get the old thunder 149ers? The lower ones that were shaped like the now silver L-class

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Thunder-Team-149-Hi-Skateboard-Trucks-2-pc-Set-Polished-/141627392752?hash=item20f9a682f0:g:sS0AAMXQ9wJR5z1M (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Thunder-Team-149-Hi-Skateboard-Trucks-2-pc-Set-Polished-/141627392752?hash=item20f9a682f0:g:sS0AAMXQ9wJR5z1M)


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thunder-149ers-Skateboard-Trucks-/371902787383?hash=item5697222f37:g:kgAAAOSwB-1Y1S-C (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thunder-149ers-Skateboard-Trucks-/371902787383?hash=item5697222f37:g:kgAAAOSwB-1Y1S-C)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 29, 2017, 06:08:37 PM
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Does anyone have or know where I can get the old thunder 149ers? The lower ones that were shaped like the now silver L-class
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Thunder-Team-149-Hi-Skateboard-Trucks-2-pc-Set-Polished-/141627392752?hash=item20f9a682f0:g:sS0AAMXQ9wJR5z1M (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Thunder-Team-149-Hi-Skateboard-Trucks-2-pc-Set-Polished-/141627392752?hash=item20f9a682f0:g:sS0AAMXQ9wJR5z1M)


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thunder-149ers-Skateboard-Trucks-/371902787383?hash=item5697222f37:g:kgAAAOSwB-1Y1S-C (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thunder-149ers-Skateboard-Trucks-/371902787383?hash=item5697222f37:g:kgAAAOSwB-1Y1S-C)

Thanks for the links, I saw those ones too but idk how much I can trust the one that say they're 149 low and the og cause I really don't want to buy them and get the remaster and send them back. Is there a way I can reply to the seller ? The ones that are fresh and have all the pics
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on June 29, 2017, 07:14:36 PM
Those are probably legit. I had those exact trucks. But I will say this, the newer version are far better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 29, 2017, 09:17:43 PM
Quote from: N.L. on June 29, 2017, 07:14:36 PM
Those are probably legit. I had those exact trucks. But I will say this, the newer version are far better.

I have the remaster and I get it why would you go backwards when moving forward is the way to go. I loved the way the old ones were somehow a 49mm height and so wide and stable. It was such a solid low feeling truck with so much stability and control and I gave them away and got the new remaster cause hey they're higher by a bit and that with the width should be better right

It is a really solid stable turny truck with the sig thunder feel and control even though it's a little taller than I'm use to it still thunder and solid but to my preferences I don't bend my knees much and have somewhat of a stiff style so the low height helps me hit my tail faster since I don't bend down all the way and push down and pop as much as I should

So yeah that's why I want them again, my 147 hi are superb but I'm kinda feeling to size up but keep the low feel
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on July 04, 2017, 09:25:16 AM
Anyone know which risers work best with Aces? Diamond?

How about Ventures?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on July 04, 2017, 10:02:33 AM
Quote from: Roisto on July 04, 2017, 09:25:16 AM
Anyone know which risers work best with Aces? Diamond?

How about Ventures?
for venture ive run these so i can get them in a right spot. thunder 1/8"
(http://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=THBRP-1.jpg&nw=435)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on July 04, 2017, 10:31:58 AM
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Anyone know which risers work best with Aces? Diamond?

How about Ventures?
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for venture ive run these so i can get them in a right spot. thunder 1/8"
(http://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=THBRP-1.jpg&nw=435)

I heard those are really brittle, so I dunno if I should look for something else.  :-\

Gotta have those risers with the long slots though for Ventures? Are the holes in the baseplates drilled in such a different position that an Indy riser or similar just wouldn't sit right?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 04, 2017, 11:13:26 AM
do you want a softer riser or hard ones? Indy risers work in Aces, but I've used bones too, they have the slider instead of the holes.  I have some krooked risers on ventures right now, they fit perfectly and they're kind of soft.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on July 04, 2017, 11:43:44 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 04, 2017, 11:13:26 AM
do you want a softer riser or hard ones? Indy risers work in Aces, but I've used bones too, they have the slider instead of the holes.  I have some krooked risers on ventures right now, they fit perfectly and they're kind of soft.

Hard.

I guess Indy risers work in Aces, but the Ace baseplate is smaller than the Indy baseplate so the risers stick out quite a bit more than on Indy. I was thinking if something is a tad bit smaller, so it doesn't stick out so much. I'm afraid the Indy riser would break as it sticks out so much that you can partially see the square holes on the riser as the Ace baseplate doesn't cover it all that well.

As for Ventures, I've never had any but am interested in getting a pair and I have no idea what the baseplate is like. With Thunders the screw holes are more centred right, so you gotta use risers with those long slots to get the riser to align correctly?

I have to order all this shit online, so I'd like to get it right the first time. Would be easy to see what fits in a shop, but sadly I don't have that luxury.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 04, 2017, 11:54:37 AM
Quote from: Roisto on July 04, 2017, 11:43:44 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 04, 2017, 11:13:26 AM
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do you want a softer riser or hard ones? Indy risers work in Aces, but I've used bones too, they have the slider instead of the holes.  I have some krooked risers on ventures right now, they fit perfectly and they're kind of soft.
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Hard.

I guess Indy risers work in Aces, but the Ace baseplate is smaller than the Indy baseplate so the risers stick out quite a bit more than on Indy. I was thinking if something is a tad bit smaller, so it doesn't stick out so much. I'm afraid the Indy riser would break as it sticks out so much that you can partially see the square holes on the riser as the Ace baseplate doesn't cover it all that well.

As for Ventures, I've never had any but am interested in getting a pair and I have no idea what the baseplate is like. With Thunders the screw holes are more centred right, so you gotta use risers with those long slots to get the riser to align correctly?

I have to order all this shit online, so I'd like to get it right the first time. Would be easy to see what fits in a shop, but sadly I don't have that luxury.
The bones 1/8" hard ones worked perfectly, they didn't stick out at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on July 04, 2017, 12:15:37 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 04, 2017, 11:54:37 AM
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do you want a softer riser or hard ones? Indy risers work in Aces, but I've used bones too, they have the slider instead of the holes.  I have some krooked risers on ventures right now, they fit perfectly and they're kind of soft.
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Hard.

I guess Indy risers work in Aces, but the Ace baseplate is smaller than the Indy baseplate so the risers stick out quite a bit more than on Indy. I was thinking if something is a tad bit smaller, so it doesn't stick out so much. I'm afraid the Indy riser would break as it sticks out so much that you can partially see the square holes on the riser as the Ace baseplate doesn't cover it all that well.

As for Ventures, I've never had any but am interested in getting a pair and I have no idea what the baseplate is like. With Thunders the screw holes are more centred right, so you gotta use risers with those long slots to get the riser to align correctly?

I have to order all this shit online, so I'd like to get it right the first time. Would be easy to see what fits in a shop, but sadly I don't have that luxury.
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The bones 1/8" hard ones worked perfectly, they didn't stick out at all.

Cool. Thanks for the info. They even seem to have those at the local shop. If they work nicely with Ventures also, I might only have to order the trucks online.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 256 Ply on July 04, 2017, 10:26:23 PM
Quote from: Roisto on July 04, 2017, 10:31:58 AM
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Anyone know which risers work best with Aces? Diamond?

How about Ventures?
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for venture ive run these so i can get them in a right spot. thunder 1/8"
(http://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=THBRP-1.jpg&nw=435)
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I heard those are really brittle, so I dunno if I should look for something else.  :-\

Gotta have those risers with the long slots though for Ventures? Are the holes in the baseplates drilled in such a different position that an Indy riser or similar just wouldn't sit right?

You can also get slotted risers from

Bro Style
Pig (1/4" & 1/2" only)
Bones
Krooked
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on July 04, 2017, 10:31:48 PM
Yeah the Thunder risers are the exact size of a Venture base plate.  Bones are the exact size of of everything else.  So you get nothing sticking out with the Bones riser.

Also Shorties makes 1/16" risers (not slotted) so that you can agonize of small differences in height.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on July 05, 2017, 07:40:41 PM
Didn't wanna bump the thread related to this, but

(https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/IN_ForgedTitanium_Silver_front_3.jpg)

These are just painted right?
should strip back with acetone/some solvent pretty easy

Shop is having a close down sale and 144's are going cheap
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 05, 2017, 07:45:59 PM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on July 05, 2017, 07:40:41 PM
Didn't wanna bump the thread related to this, but

(https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/IN_ForgedTitanium_Silver_front_3.jpg)

These are just painted right?
should strip back with acetone/some solvent pretty easy

Shop is having a close down sale and 144's are going cheap

Yea, I believe they're anodized, so regular acetone isn't going to work. I stripped an old set of thunders with Easy Off oven cleaner. The metal underneath is not polished, so just be prepared for some super raw trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on July 05, 2017, 07:59:51 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 05, 2017, 07:45:59 PM
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Didn't wanna bump the thread related to this, but


These are just painted right?
should strip back with acetone/some solvent pretty easy

Shop is having a close down sale and 144's are going cheap
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Yea, I believe they're anodized, so regular acetone isn't going to work. I stripped an old set of thunders with Easy Off oven cleaner. The metal underneath is not polished, so just be prepared for some super raw trucks.

Yeah i saw yours in the " remove paint from trucks" thread, i didnt mind the look. im probably gonna pull the trigger on them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 05, 2017, 08:02:03 PM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on July 05, 2017, 07:59:51 PM
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Didn't wanna bump the thread related to this, but


These are just painted right?
should strip back with acetone/some solvent pretty easy

Shop is having a close down sale and 144's are going cheap
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Yea, I believe they're anodized, so regular acetone isn't going to work. I stripped an old set of thunders with Easy Off oven cleaner. The metal underneath is not polished, so just be prepared for some super raw trucks.
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Yeah i saw yours in the " remove paint from trucks" thread, i didnt mind the look. im probably gonna pull the trigger on them
Right on, good luck. Make sure you get the yellow can, not the fume free kind. You need alllllll the chemicals.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: paraquat on July 06, 2017, 07:48:44 PM
Does anybody have any recommendations for after market bushings for aces?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on July 06, 2017, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: paraquat on July 06, 2017, 07:48:44 PM
Does anybody have any recommendations for after market bushings for aces?

I have Bones medium on top, stock bottom. Works like a charm for me. Full on Bones bushings don't work too well. Ppl here have been raving about Krux bushings on Aces. I tried it and for me it was way too squirrelly. It all depends on what you are looking for in new bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on July 06, 2017, 08:57:48 PM
Quote from: paraquat on July 06, 2017, 07:48:44 PM
Does anybody have any recommendations for after market bushings for aces?

KRUX KRUX KRUX
it's night and day
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on July 06, 2017, 10:07:00 PM
Quote from: DaveFuck on July 06, 2017, 08:57:48 PM
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Does anybody have any recommendations for after market bushings for aces?
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KRUX KRUX KRUX
it's night and day
Krux are amazing, but I found that the stock ace bushings are also amazing once you break them in. It takes long as fuck though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 06, 2017, 10:27:22 PM
I was just about to ask the same, decided to give my 44 with those weird .38 nuts a go again and I remembered why I put them away after spending $40 for them, the stock bushings are hard.

Like 94a so I swapped out to bones mediums and the hangar angles back a little taking a tiny bit of height off which I like but I trust you guys on that it probably won't be a good feel so maybe I'll just do the stock no bottom washer,

Also did you guys notice the stock bottom washer seems too small for the barrels? They start to squish out a little just tightened flush

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on July 06, 2017, 10:54:58 PM
Ace stock bushings are surprisingly tight at first but get noticeably looser after they break in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on July 06, 2017, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on July 06, 2017, 10:54:58 PM
Ace stock bushings are surprisingly tight at first but get noticeably looser after they break in.
Yeah they seem sooo hard and the top bushing seems too tall but after they break in they're just beautiful.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 06, 2017, 11:11:17 PM
Quote from: DaveFuck on July 06, 2017, 08:57:48 PM
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Does anybody have any recommendations for after market bushings for aces?
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KRUX KRUX KRUX
it's night and day

Without a doubt. But, if you can suck it up, ACE bushings are just fine once broken in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: paraquat on July 07, 2017, 05:02:18 AM
Gnars for the input. Also, what is the deal with ace pivot cups?? Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on July 07, 2017, 06:54:11 AM
Quote from: paraquat on July 07, 2017, 05:02:18 AM
Gnars for the input. Also, what is the deal with ace pivot cups?? Any suggestions?
theyre VERY squeaky but get the job done. The krux bushings I ordered came with new pivot cups but they seem too big for aces pivot cup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on July 07, 2017, 08:50:27 AM
Quote from: DaveFuck on July 07, 2017, 06:54:11 AM
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Gnars for the input. Also, what is the deal with ace pivot cups?? Any suggestions?
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theyre VERY squeaky but get the job done. The krux bushings I ordered came with new pivot cups but they seem too big for aces pivot cup.
Yeah the krux pivots stick out a lot if you slip them in the ace pivot cup hole. On the two sets of Aces I've bought they were fine and didn't squeak at all but I've heard people say they blow out pretty fast. So I went full on nerd mode and bought some rip tide pivot cups for my 66's and 44's. If you like loose trucks and are willing to drop that kind of moneys on pivot cups I think they're totally worth it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 07, 2017, 09:31:49 AM
Quote from: Cherb on July 07, 2017, 08:50:27 AM
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Gnars for the input. Also, what is the deal with ace pivot cups?? Any suggestions?
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theyre VERY squeaky but get the job done. The krux bushings I ordered came with new pivot cups but they seem too big for aces pivot cup.
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Yeah the krux pivots stick out a lot if you slip them in the ace pivot cup hole. On the two sets of Aces I've bought they were fine and didn't squeak at all but I've heard people say they blow out pretty fast. So I went full on nerd mode and bought some rip tide pivot cups for my 66's and 44's. If you like loose trucks and are willing to drop that kind of moneys on pivot cups I think they're totally worth it.

Riptides make it all so smooth...I put mine from my indy 44s in my thunder 148s, stock bushings and they feel great...Khiro (small/soft) pivots are also a great choice for ACE.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on July 07, 2017, 03:22:49 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 07, 2017, 09:31:49 AM
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Gnars for the input. Also, what is the deal with ace pivot cups?? Any suggestions?
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theyre VERY squeaky but get the job done. The krux bushings I ordered came with new pivot cups but they seem too big for aces pivot cup.
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Yeah the krux pivots stick out a lot if you slip them in the ace pivot cup hole. On the two sets of Aces I've bought they were fine and didn't squeak at all but I've heard people say they blow out pretty fast. So I went full on nerd mode and bought some rip tide pivot cups for my 66's and 44's. If you like loose trucks and are willing to drop that kind of moneys on pivot cups I think they're totally worth it.
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Riptides make it all so smooth...I put mine from my indy 44s in my thunder 148s, stock bushings and they feel great...Khiro (small/soft) pivots are also a great choice for ACE.
They were definitely worth it even though I felt slight shame for spending 15$ on pivot cups.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Doughboy on July 07, 2017, 06:55:14 PM
Last year when I was skating a set of ACE 44 to help break in the stock bushings I replaced the top washer with a small flat washer that came with a set of Bones bushings (pretty sure they have washers that size at the hardware store too for super cheap, doesn't have to be the Bones one). It was a really good ride. The flat washer really opened up the full turning potential of the trucks and the wider range of motion that the thin flat washer provided really helped get some extra carving, cutting down on the break in time of the slightly hard stock bushings. After a few sessions like that I went back to the stock top washer and was good to go. If I skated more transition/bowl I would have probably just left the flat washer in because the turning was amazingly fluid. As far as the pivot cups go, I kept those stock. I always just rub a little bit of bar soap on the hanger pivot nub of all trucks I skate to help with squeaking and I think it makes the turning less sticky with new trucks.

Stock bottom washer/thin flat top washer. Stock ACE bushings.
(https://s25.postimg.org/4kzdqkppr/IMG_8130.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 08, 2017, 12:40:40 PM
Just bought a zip zinger nano on ebay for super cheap, what trucks should I get? 129s? 109s? Was thinking about those Thunder 143s as well...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on July 08, 2017, 01:08:35 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 08, 2017, 12:40:40 PM
Just bought a zip zinger nano on ebay for super cheap, what trucks should I get? 129s? 109s? Was thinking about those Thunder 143s as well...

Purely from an aesthetic perspective, I think the indy 109s look really good. Also zipzinger nanos are only 7.125 at their widest point so are more like 6ish inches near the mounting holes so 109s may make more sense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 08, 2017, 03:16:42 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on July 08, 2017, 01:08:35 PM
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Just bought a zip zinger nano on ebay for super cheap, what trucks should I get? 129s? 109s? Was thinking about those Thunder 143s as well...
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Purely from an aesthetic perspective, I think the indy 109s look really good. Also zipzinger nanos are only 7.125 at their widest point so are more like 6ish inches near the mounting holes so 109s may make more sense.

Def 109 I loved my 109 on my reg zinger, plus that's what the gonz would ride
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 08, 2017, 07:41:09 PM
Quote from: Doughboy on July 07, 2017, 06:55:14 PM
Last year when I was skating a set of ACE 44 to help break in the stock bushings I replaced the top washer with a small flat washer that came with a set of Bones bushings (pretty sure they have washers that size at the hardware store too for super cheap, doesn't have to be the Bones one). It was a really good ride. The flat washer really opened up the full turning potential of the trucks and the wider range of motion that the thin flat washer provided really helped get some extra carving, cutting down on the break in time of the slightly hard stock bushings. After a few sessions like that I went back to the stock top washer and was good to go. If I skated more transition/bowl I would have probably just left the flat washer in because the turning was amazingly fluid. As far as the pivot cups go, I kept those stock. I always just rub a little bit of bar soap on the hanger pivot nub of all trucks I skate to help with squeaking and I think it makes the turning less sticky with new trucks.

Stock bottom washer/thin flat top washer. Stock ACE bushings.
(https://s25.postimg.org/4kzdqkppr/IMG_8130.jpg)

Cup washers supposedly restrict bushings deformation, flat washers allow your bushings to deform more.

That said, I don't think for regular skating it means fuck all really, longboards for sure as they all ride much softer/different combinations of duro bushings and few of us 'regular' skaters give a fuck about bushings (bones and good to go right...turn great right? no washers ;).

For those of us that ride really loose tho, you'll see most just ditch washers one way or the other. Since I picked up bones that came with flat washers it's all I use.

Just set these up:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/1tTq4EksNrvyNP5ZbQrpuj8ZHB-yRK_bivLh-S26Zs7w5pIKcVihREYAIxhkFP9Ud1j3wiV7VFDzkJKdMPRO7Ot5oHkL4Jg6sD338OU0PbsBHdZf13XBG6EEq8cT3yIjZTffCfFJtwk)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: -- on July 08, 2017, 08:59:49 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 08, 2017, 07:41:09 PM
Cup washers supposedly restrict bushings deformation, flat washers allow your bushings to deform more.

That said, I don't think for regular skating it means fuck all really, longboards for sure as they all ride much softer/different combinations of duro bushings and few of us 'regular' skaters give a fuck about bushings (bones and good to go right...turn great right? no washers ;).

For those of us that ride really loose tho, you'll see most just ditch washers one way or the other. Since I picked up bones that came with flat washers it's all I use.

Just set these up:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/1tTq4EksNrvyNP5ZbQrpuj8ZHB-yRK_bivLh-S26Zs7w5pIKcVihREYAIxhkFP9Ud1j3wiV7VFDzkJKdMPRO7Ot5oHkL4Jg6sD338OU0PbsBHdZf13XBG6EEq8cT3yIjZTffCfFJtwk)
Cup washers also protect your bushings from smith grinds.
(https://u.teknik.io/wjUni.jpg)
I'd imagine they'd be ripped without the washer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Doughboy on July 09, 2017, 11:57:20 PM
Nice Thunder set up Xen. I bet those trucks got some smooth flow. Rad you're using those flat Bones washers too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 10, 2017, 03:15:09 PM
Quote from: Doughboy on July 09, 2017, 11:57:20 PM
Nice Thunder set up Xen. I bet those trucks got some smooth flow. Rad you're using those flat Bones washers too.

I gave up trying to get thunders to work with other bushings, the thunder bottom w/washer is super tall, the stocks are really the best fit. The bones washers are a hair thinner than the stocks so I can get away with having them loose but still having the kinpin threads in the nylon of the nut; the riptides made a world of difference tho.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 12, 2017, 10:41:01 PM
I have a serious question, which side of the barrel bushing do you guys have facing the washer and which side facing the hangar?

Cause I would think the flat side with the rings on the surface go against the hangar but in be past I've got a new set of trucks that came with the barrels where the rounded edge smooth side is against the hangar
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: -- on July 12, 2017, 11:01:02 PM
Quote from: rob on July 12, 2017, 10:41:01 PM
I have a serious question, which side of the barrel bushing do you guys have facing the washer and which side facing the hangar?

Cause I would think the flat side with the rings on the surface go against the hangar but in be past I've got a new set of trucks that came with the barrels where the rounded edge smooth side is against the washer
rings facing hanger because that's how the top bushing is
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DISTANT RUMOURS on July 13, 2017, 02:05:47 PM
Quote from: rob on May 23, 2017, 08:38:35 AM
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does anyone else ride their front and back trucks setup exactly the same?
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Right here buddy, I have the truck OCD if my trucks are different tightness it throws me off cause I wanna be able to ride my board frontward or backwards without a problem. Its like this for me since I started where I thought if I learn more tricks and my board is flipping around and spinning back and forth I don't wanna think about how my front trucks looseness is gonna effect me when my board is backwards if I'm in fakie or whatever my mind wants to believe

Same here, I cant deal with trucks that are not exactly the same...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on July 13, 2017, 06:56:33 PM
Quote from: DISTANT RUMOURS on July 13, 2017, 02:05:47 PM
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does anyone else ride their front and back trucks setup exactly the same?
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Right here buddy, I have the truck OCD if my trucks are different tightness it throws me off cause I wanna be able to ride my board frontward or backwards without a problem. Its like this for me since I started where I thought if I learn more tricks and my board is flipping around and spinning back and forth I don't wanna think about how my front trucks looseness is gonna effect me when my board is backwards if I'm in fakie or whatever my mind wants to believe
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Same here, I cant deal with trucks that are not exactly the same...

I switched out my modded thunder 149s for some old 5.8 venture v-hollow lights on an Ishod twin tail board and been really enjoying it. Ive pretty much always rode my front truck slightly looser than the back but I'm digging the symetrical feel. I don't know if I'd like it as much with some thunders because it's hard to find that middle ground between stability & turning, but with ventures you can get both trucks loose enough to turn well without getting too wheelbitey

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on July 13, 2017, 09:36:19 PM
Had a nice day of hillbombing thanks to some perfect newly paved roads. My trucks are pretty loose and everything was fine! I'll still probably get some harder bushings eventually, but loose thunders at high speed feel totally safe. There's no reason to tighten up trucks to go fast, it's all in your head, now I just gotta work on my slides.. I was just whipping my back end out quick, wasn't getting proper long slides ???
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on July 14, 2017, 09:46:39 AM
Quote from: Zimmer on July 13, 2017, 09:36:19 PM
Had a nice day of hillbombing thanks to some perfect newly paved roads. My trucks are pretty loose and everything was fine! I'll still probably get some harder bushings eventually, but loose thunders at high speed feel totally safe. There's no reason to tighten up trucks to go fast, it's all in your head, now I just gotta work on my slides.. I was just whipping my back end out quick, wasn't getting proper long slides ???
focus on ur heels when sliding
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Zimmer on July 14, 2017, 03:14:00 PM
Quote from: DaveFuck on July 14, 2017, 09:46:39 AM
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Had a nice day of hillbombing thanks to some perfect newly paved roads. My trucks are pretty loose and everything was fine! I'll still probably get some harder bushings eventually, but loose thunders at high speed feel totally safe. There's no reason to tighten up trucks to go fast, it's all in your head, now I just gotta work on my slides.. I was just whipping my back end out quick, wasn't getting proper long slides ???
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focus on ur heels when sliding

Yeah that seems to be the ticket.. I was still over on my toes when I'd whip it out, I gotta lean back more.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 14, 2017, 11:00:45 PM
Hey random question but anyone know if the new royal lows are the same height as the old Royal evos?

Those old classic breaks on the first day 7.6 royals everyone had and skate warehouse had so many they were selling them in bulk for cheap
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GOATMOON on July 15, 2017, 12:37:35 AM
Quote from: rob on July 14, 2017, 11:00:45 PM


Those old classic breaks on the first day 7.6 royals everyone had and skate warehouse had so many they were selling them in bulk for cheap

What does that even mean  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on July 15, 2017, 03:15:26 AM
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Those old classic breaks on the first day 7.6 royals everyone had and skate warehouse had so many they were selling them in bulk for cheap
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What does that even mean  ??? ??? ???
Haha yea I'd like to know too. I'm not a native english speaker so I tried to read that sentence so many times  ???
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 15, 2017, 07:55:39 AM
He's more or less asking the difference between the new royals and the old ones....

They had a sale at skate warehouse where they were like $15 a set or something....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on July 15, 2017, 08:31:49 AM
I've finally arrived at what I deem to be my perfect truck set up. It's the only combo I've stuck with for considerable time,  and I find I'm able to keep my flip tricks lofty. The bushings give me the fast turning I need for my weight, and the rebound of the 95a doh doh's is perfect for tricks that require a more pressurized pop.

I'm rocking Ace 03 low's with red doh doh's, and the bottom washer removed. It's a combo that provides stability as well as response.

I still don't get the snappy fast pop I get with Thunder low's, but I also have yet to get axle slip on the current set i'm riding, so it's a fair trade off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on July 15, 2017, 10:08:31 AM
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Those old, classic breaks-on-the-first-day 7.6 royals everyone had and skate warehouse had so many they were selling them in bulk for cheap
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What does that even mean  ??? ??? ???
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Haha yea I'd like to know too. I'm not a native english speaker so I tried to read that sentence so many times  ???

I added some punctuation. I understood him but I did have to read it twice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 15, 2017, 06:09:29 PM
I usually save my punctuation for the end..........
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: redhatchet on July 15, 2017, 08:08:39 PM
Question posed to anyone who has skated a plethora of trucks. I've skated indys for probably the last 6-7 years strictly out of habit. I don't fuck with the stock other than loosening the bushings to desire and maybe putting some used bushings in to make that easier. I mainly skate more technical. As in ledges and such. But I do like transition. Is it worth it to switch out from Indy to Thunder? I was looking at the new Thunders that are made for the 8.25 boards. Considering what I want most is a responsive quick flip most of the time

Any input is appreciated. I just bought some new indys a little over a month ago because my shop didn't have the thunders in at the time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nora9 on July 15, 2017, 08:48:10 PM
i like to ride my front truck like daewon's and back truck like daewons front truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on July 15, 2017, 09:06:33 PM
Quote from: redhatchet on July 15, 2017, 08:08:39 PM
Question posed to anyone who has skated a plethora of trucks. I've skated indys for probably the last 6-7 years strictly out of habit. I don't fuck with the stock other than loosening the bushings to desire and maybe putting some used bushings in to make that easier. I mainly skate more technical. As in ledges and such. But I do like transition. Is it worth it to switch out from Indy to Thunder? I was looking at the new Thunders that are made for the 8.25 boards. Considering what I want most is a responsive quick flip most of the time

Any input is appreciated. I just bought some new indys a little over a month ago because my shop didn't have the thunders in at the time.

If you want responsiveness then thunder is the way to go. Turns are sharp and fliptricks are quick & snappy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: doublesteveburger on July 15, 2017, 09:28:51 PM
Recently switched back to Theeve's solely based on the fact that they come with Bones bushings and I didn't have enough money for new bushings if I had gone the Indy route. I forgot how much I loved Theeve's, though. Or maybe I just love Bones bushings. I don't know.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 16, 2017, 12:58:21 AM
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Those old, classic breaks-on-the-first-day 7.6 royals everyone had and skate warehouse had so many they were selling them in bulk for cheap
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What does that even mean  ??? ??? ???
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Haha yea I'd like to know too. I'm not a native english speaker so I tried to read that sentence so many times  ???
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I added some punctuation. I understood him but I did have to read it twice.

Sorry for the grammar And punctuation problems guys in ever graduated high school cause I'm a rebellious skate dude that was too cool for school.

I was just basically asking if anyone knows if the new Royal lows are basically a remastered Royal evo. Where you at Carroll ??
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 16, 2017, 07:38:59 AM
Quote from: doublesteveburger on July 15, 2017, 09:28:51 PM
Recently switched back to Theeve's solely based on the fact that they come with Bones bushings and I didn't have enough money for new bushings if I had gone the Indy route. I forgot how much I loved Theeve's, though. Or maybe I just love Bones bushings. I don't know.

Oh..oh....they aren't bones bushings....they just look like bones bushings.....truth....

To Indy vs Thunder guy?  I think if you like technical skating....go thunder.....worth a try....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: redhatchet on July 16, 2017, 08:19:59 AM
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Recently switched back to Theeve's solely based on the fact that they come with Bones bushings and I didn't have enough money for new bushings if I had gone the Indy route. I forgot how much I loved Theeve's, though. Or maybe I just love Bones bushings. I don't know.
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Oh..oh....they aren't bones bushings....they just look like bones bushings.....truth....

To Indy vs Thunder guy?  I think if you like technical skating....go thunder.....worth a try....

Yeah think I'm gonna go by the shop today and pick them up if they are still there. Can't hurt. Will it be weird to use broken in stock Indy bushings in them? I just hate breaking in new stuff.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on July 16, 2017, 09:11:18 AM
Thunders aren't too hard to break in and they work best with their own bushings so I'd just ride them out. If you ride loose they'll be broken in within a session or so.


I'm having truck dilemmas lately tho, I'm literally torn between thunder and venture.  Thunders are a little lighter, turn better, and make quick fliptricks a lot easier but I get a ton of wheelbite due to how I skate & my nose/tailslides are much harder to lock in. Ventures have amazing stability on hard landings and how they're shaped makes it easier to lock into any grinds or slides for me. I'm literally just overall better at grinds & gaps with ventures but I'm noticeably more agile while doing lines or quick, multiple ollies/fliptricks with thunders so it's a toss up. I've flip flopped between the two multiple times just within my last 5-6 sessions. When will the madness end? (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sadcam.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nora9 on July 16, 2017, 11:01:05 AM
venture on the front thunder on the back
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nora9 on July 16, 2017, 11:03:57 AM
if u put a riser pad under the back truck only u get more pop cuz its a bit higher
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nora9 on July 16, 2017, 11:05:15 AM
u can put 2 or 3 for even more pop but u might need bigger screws
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dr. Octagon on July 16, 2017, 09:46:55 PM
back to Independents on all setups after trying thunders again for a short time. the difference in turn/leverage is incomparable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gumi on July 25, 2017, 05:07:27 AM
currently on indy 139 titaniums, had em for a while, like em but thinking of buying some venture hollow lights.

worth it? big difference? ive never had ventures before
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on July 25, 2017, 11:45:18 PM
Quote from: gumi on July 25, 2017, 05:07:27 AM
currently on indy 139 titaniums, had em for a while, like em but thinking of buying some venture hollow lights.

worth it? big difference? ive never had ventures before
Indy's turn, Ventures don't. I have 2 homies that skate ventures, every now and then I try their setups and vice versa. I can't turn without tic tac on those things and homies are always getting serious wheelbite on my indys so...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on July 25, 2017, 11:52:01 PM
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currently on indy 139 titaniums, had em for a while, like em but thinking of buying some venture hollow lights.

worth it? big difference? ive never had ventures before
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Indy's turn, Ventures don't. I have 2 homies that skate ventures, every now and then I try their setups and vice versa. I can't turn without tic tac on those things and homies are always getting serious wheelbite on my indys so...

Dunno about other sizes or any of the hollow or low trucks but Venture 5.8 IMO turns better than Indy 149. I just got a set and they're amazing trucks. Might even be as good as Ace. Jury's still out on that though. Venture's are way easier to come by in Europe than Aces. I don't think I'll be buying Indy again unless I need something bigger than 8.5". Even though I think Indy trucks are fine, Aces and Ventures seem much better for me at least.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on July 26, 2017, 02:56:22 AM
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currently on indy 139 titaniums, had em for a while, like em but thinking of buying some venture hollow lights.

worth it? big difference? ive never had ventures before
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Indy's turn, Ventures don't. I have 2 homies that skate ventures, every now and then I try their setups and vice versa. I can't turn without tic tac on those things and homies are always getting serious wheelbite on my indys so...
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Dunno about other sizes or any of the hollow or low trucks but Venture 5.8 IMO turns better than Indy 149. I just got a set and they're amazing trucks. Might even be as good as Ace. Jury's still out on that though. Venture's are way easier to come by in Europe than Aces. I don't think I'll be buying Indy again unless I need something bigger than 8.5". Even though I think Indy trucks are fine, Aces and Ventures seem much better for me at least.  :)
Hmm, I might have to test ur board someday when we're at the same spot, i think i know who you are irl. Dunno what's wrong with those Ventures that I have tested because those things just don't turn, could it be that wider Ventures turn different than smaller ones? I skate 139's and I've tested ventures on 8" boards only, I assume they're close to my indys width-wise.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on July 26, 2017, 03:21:05 AM
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currently on indy 139 titaniums, had em for a while, like em but thinking of buying some venture hollow lights.

worth it? big difference? ive never had ventures before
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Indy's turn, Ventures don't. I have 2 homies that skate ventures, every now and then I try their setups and vice versa. I can't turn without tic tac on those things and homies are always getting serious wheelbite on my indys so...
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Dunno about other sizes or any of the hollow or low trucks but Venture 5.8 IMO turns better than Indy 149. I just got a set and they're amazing trucks. Might even be as good as Ace. Jury's still out on that though. Venture's are way easier to come by in Europe than Aces. I don't think I'll be buying Indy again unless I need something bigger than 8.5". Even though I think Indy trucks are fine, Aces and Ventures seem much better for me at least.  :)
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Hmm, I might have to test ur board someday when we're at the same spot, i think i know who you are irl. Dunno what's wrong with those Ventures that I have tested because those things just don't turn, could it be that wider Ventures turn different than smaller ones? I skate 139's and I've tested ventures on 8" boards only, I assume they're close to my indys width-wise.

Cool. Sometimes I don't even know who I am myself.  :)

Most likely not gonna skate all that much this summer but who knows, maybe my leg will heal faster than projected. I got a bit carried away buying skate stuff when my leg was more broken and I have 5 different set ups right now cuz of that, so I might not be rolling with the Ventures every time but you're more than welcome to try my set up.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 26, 2017, 04:12:12 AM
Yeah those venture 5.8 hi are crazy, my friend told me he got new trucks but I had to guess what they were by riding the board and feeling the turn and stuff and surprisingly they turned really well like an Indy 149 but with more stability and I was so surprised to know they wee ventures.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on July 26, 2017, 10:03:53 AM
Loving my venture 5.8's they definitely turn well but their overall stability is why I like them most. Much more forgiving in wheelbite scenarios than thunders or Indy in my experience. I feel like I get away with murder sometimes with my landings after skating thunders for so long
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on July 26, 2017, 09:32:52 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on July 16, 2017, 09:11:18 AM
Thunders aren't too hard to break in and they work best with their own bushings so I'd just ride them out. If you ride loose they'll be broken in within a session or so.


I'm having truck dilemmas lately tho, I'm literally torn between thunder and venture.  Thunders are a little lighter, turn better, and make quick fliptricks a lot easier but I get a ton of wheelbite due to how I skate & my nose/tailslides are much harder to lock in. Ventures have amazing stability on hard landings and how they're shaped makes it easier to lock into any grinds or slides for me. I'm literally just overall better at grinds & gaps with ventures but I'm noticeably more agile while doing lines or quick, multiple ollies/fliptricks with thunders so it's a toss up. I've flip flopped between the two multiple times just within my last 5-6 sessions. When will the madness end? (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sadcam.png)
Are you married to one setup or are you unable to having two in your quiver? I've got five that I ride on the regular depending on what I feel like.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on July 27, 2017, 12:40:55 PM
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Thunders aren't too hard to break in and they work best with their own bushings so I'd just ride them out. If you ride loose they'll be broken in within a session or so.


I'm having truck dilemmas lately tho, I'm literally torn between thunder and venture.  Thunders are a little lighter, turn better, and make quick fliptricks a lot easier but I get a ton of wheelbite due to how I skate & my nose/tailslides are much harder to lock in. Ventures have amazing stability on hard landings and how they're shaped makes it easier to lock into any grinds or slides for me. I'm literally just overall better at grinds & gaps with ventures but I'm noticeably more agile while doing lines or quick, multiple ollies/fliptricks with thunders so it's a toss up. I've flip flopped between the two multiple times just within my last 5-6 sessions. When will the madness end?
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Are you married to one setup or are you unable to having two in your quiver? I've got five that I ride on the regular depending on what I feel like.

Man when I think about it I probably could've been doing this for years but I'm bad enough with one board, I would just be buying shit all the time trying to experiment twice as much as I already do. I think I just like the puzzle of setting up that "perfect board" and maximizing every component, testing things out and adapting my board to how I'm skating at the time.

It does make sense tho, I could see myself skating a "tech" board in the 8.25 range with thunders & 52mm wheels and a gaps/rough spots setup on an 8.38 w/ ventures & 54mm wheels. Maybe one day if I decide to treat myself...

What're the main differences between your 5 setups?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on July 27, 2017, 12:48:05 PM
Bit the bullet and went with Krux K4 8.25. To be honest I love these trucks, they broke in immediately. Coming from almost 10 years of loose Indy's, the transition was super easy. Loosened them once and I haven't touched them in almost a month of having them. I was using them to cruise around seeing as I was recovering from an ankle injury, therefore I couldn't do tricks. They feel damn good to cruise around with.

Started doing a few tricks yesterday and I didn't even have to think of my trucks once, which is a good sign.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 27, 2017, 01:15:16 PM
Quote from: TheBoognish on July 27, 2017, 12:48:05 PM
Bit the bullet and went with Krux K4 8.25. To be honest I love these trucks, they broke in immediately. Coming from almost 10 years of loose Indy's, the transition was super easy. Loosened them once and I haven't touched them in almost a month of having them. I was using them to cruise around seeing as I was recovering from an ankle injury, therefore I couldn't do tricks. They feel damn good to cruise around with.

Started doing a few tricks yesterday and I didn't even have to think of my trucks once, which is a good sign.

I really like Krux, they were super comfortable and turned really well, but fucking marketing and hype is real in the truck game...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on July 27, 2017, 11:21:11 PM
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Thunders aren't too hard to break in and they work best with their own bushings so I'd just ride them out. If you ride loose they'll be broken in within a session or so.


I'm having truck dilemmas lately tho, I'm literally torn between thunder and venture.  Thunders are a little lighter, turn better, and make quick fliptricks a lot easier but I get a ton of wheelbite due to how I skate & my nose/tailslides are much harder to lock in. Ventures have amazing stability on hard landings and how they're shaped makes it easier to lock into any grinds or slides for me. I'm literally just overall better at grinds & gaps with ventures but I'm noticeably more agile while doing lines or quick, multiple ollies/fliptricks with thunders so it's a toss up. I've flip flopped between the two multiple times just within my last 5-6 sessions. When will the madness end?
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Are you married to one setup or are you unable to having two in your quiver? I've got five that I ride on the regular depending on what I feel like.
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Man when I think about it I probably could've been doing this for years but I'm bad enough with one board, I would just be buying shit all the time trying to experiment twice as much as I already do. I think I just like the puzzle of setting up that "perfect board" and maximizing every component, testing things out and adapting my board to how I'm skating at the time.

It does make sense tho, I could see myself skating a "tech" board in the 8.25 range with thunders & 52mm wheels and a gaps/rough spots setup on an 8.38 w/ ventures & 54mm wheels. Maybe one day if I decide to treat myself...

What're the main differences between your 5 setups?

#1 Street
8" Almost
Independents w/krux downlow kingpin (creature 90a independent bushings)
Ricta scorpions 56mm worn down to 52mm
Rock'n Rons Ballistic Missile Bearings
(I actually left this setup in Hawaii and is my designated vacation setup, but I am replacing it with a similar setup)

#2 Street/Park/Bowl
8.25" Blind
Theeves TIAX w/krux downlow kingpin (bones hard bushing)
Bones spf 56mm
Rock'n Rons Ceramic Bearings

#3 Park/Bowl
8.5" Boulevard
Independent w/krux downlow kingpin (bones hard bushing)
Bones spf 54mm
Rock'n Rons Ceramic Bearings

#4 Street/Park
8.4" Flip
Ace w/downlow kingpin (creature 90a independent bushing)
Spitfire Formula Fours 54mm 101a classics worn down to 48mm (soon to be replaced)
Rock'n Rons Ceramic Bearings

#5 Street
8.4" Flip
Mini logo w/grind king kingpins salvaged from a set of grindking AXL trucks (khiro yellow bushings)
Spitfire Formula Fours 55mm 99a classics worn down to 51mm
Rush Ceramic Bearings
Rails

I've actually got more but these are the ones skated most often. When I first started skating a lot when I was 13, my parents tried to limit me by taking my board away on weekdays and giving it back on the weekend. I would just go to the skatepark and ride my friend's boards during the week. Eventually my parents relented and I could skate whenever, but I never forgot the fun of trying/figuring out my friends' boards.

If I stuck with one setup, I'd probably be giving away bits and pieces more often which is what I did before. I only feel like a hoarder if don't actually skate a particular board for a while, and once I do skate it, then I realize why I set it up again.

Some wheels slide better at different spots for different tricks and some trucks let me sit on grinds easier than others. I've learned that for me there isn't a silver bullet setup that will magically make me skate great each time since I've had some of my best sessions skating some of the most questionable setups. Also, I hate stepping on a board and realizing the bearings are sluggish and need cleaning, hardware is loose and I forgot my skate tool, or some other thing feels off and trying to power through/having fun despite it. So much easier to just pull another one from the trunk and feel like that one is better and move forward especially if I already drove 30 minutes to skate somewhere. Hell, when I used to stick to one setup, I found myself skating the Upland skatepark full pipe with a set of skinny ass gold wheels and almost dying. Never again.

Skateboarding is my luxury so I don't feel bad having such a big quiver since other dudes in middle age waste their money on cars or some other much more expensive hobby. This shit is peanuts compared to that.

By the way, if I was trying to move hard goods, I'd be trying to convince kids to buy more than one setup. Like, you can get by with one, but if you had two...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on July 28, 2017, 12:30:02 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 27, 2017, 01:15:16 PM
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Bit the bullet and went with Krux K4 8.25. To be honest I love these trucks, they broke in immediately. Coming from almost 10 years of loose Indy's, the transition was super easy. Loosened them once and I haven't touched them in almost a month of having them. I was using them to cruise around seeing as I was recovering from an ankle injury, therefore I couldn't do tricks. They feel damn good to cruise around with.

Started doing a few tricks yesterday and I didn't even have to think of my trucks once, which is a good sign.
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I really like Krux, they were super comfortable and turned really well, but fucking marketing and hype is real in the truck game...

Man, this truck thing is super weird. I had a set of 8.25" Krux and I fucking hated them. IMO they do not turn, very deep at least. Glad I was able to sell them. And then people say that Venture don't turn and my view is the opposite. There must be something more to it. It shouldn't really be subjective if a truck turns or not but it sure seems like it.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on July 28, 2017, 07:05:51 AM
Quote from: Roisto on July 28, 2017, 12:30:02 AM
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Bit the bullet and went with Krux K4 8.25. To be honest I love these trucks, they broke in immediately. Coming from almost 10 years of loose Indy's, the transition was super easy. Loosened them once and I haven't touched them in almost a month of having them. I was using them to cruise around seeing as I was recovering from an ankle injury, therefore I couldn't do tricks. They feel damn good to cruise around with.

Started doing a few tricks yesterday and I didn't even have to think of my trucks once, which is a good sign.
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I really like Krux, they were super comfortable and turned really well, but fucking marketing and hype is real in the truck game...
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Man, this truck thing is super weird. I had a set of 8.25" Krux and I fucking hated them. IMO they do not turn, very deep at least. Glad I was able to sell them. And then people say that Venture don't turn and my view is the opposite. There must be something more to it. It shouldn't really be subjective if a truck turns or not but it sure seems like it.  :)
It just depends on what kind of turn you like I suppose. Krux turn smooth they just don't turn deep. Thunders turn well as you can get a very quick turn. I haven't rode Ventures or Indys in fucking years so I can't comment on those. And then we've all heard  about how Ace turn so smooth, beautiful and deep.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on July 28, 2017, 08:35:13 PM
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Thunders aren't too hard to break in and they work best with their own bushings so I'd just ride them out. If you ride loose they'll be broken in within a session or so.


I'm having truck dilemmas lately tho, I'm literally torn between thunder and venture.� Thunders are a little lighter, turn better, and make quick fliptricks a lot easier but I get a ton of wheelbite due to how I skate & my nose/tailslides are much harder to lock in. Ventures have amazing stability on hard landings and how they're shaped makes it easier to lock into any grinds or slides for me. I'm literally just overall better at grinds & gaps with ventures but I'm noticeably more agile while doing lines or quick, multiple ollies/fliptricks with thunders so it's a toss up. I've flip flopped between the two multiple times just within my last 5-6 sessions. When will the madness end?
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Are you married to one setup or are you unable to having two in your quiver? I've got five that I ride on the regular depending on what I feel like.
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Man when I think about it I probably could've been doing this for years but I'm bad enough with one board, I would just be buying shit all the time trying to experiment twice as much as I already do. I think I just like the puzzle of setting up that "perfect board" and maximizing every component, testing things out and adapting my board to how I'm skating at the time.

It does make sense tho, I could see myself skating a "tech" board in the 8.25 range with thunders & 52mm wheels and a gaps/rough spots setup on an 8.38 w/ ventures & 54mm wheels. Maybe one day if I decide to treat myself...

What're the main differences between your 5 setups?
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#1 Street
8" Almost
Independents w/krux downlow kingpin (creature 90a independent bushings)
Ricta scorpions 56mm worn down to 52mm
Rock'n Rons Ballistic Missile Bearings
(I actually left this setup in Hawaii and is my designated vacation setup, but I am replacing it with a similar setup)

#2 Street/Park/Bowl
8.25" Blind
Theeves TIAX w/krux downlow kingpin (bones hard bushing)
Bones spf 56mm
Rock'n Rons Ceramic Bearings

#3 Park/Bowl
8.5" Boulevard
Independent w/krux downlow kingpin (bones hard bushing)
Bones spf 54mm
Rock'n Rons Ceramic Bearings

#4 Street/Park
8.4" Flip
Ace w/downlow kingpin (creature 90a independent bushing)
Spitfire Formula Fours 54mm 101a classics worn down to 48mm (soon to be replaced)
Rock'n Rons Ceramic Bearings

#5 Street
8.4" Flip
Mini logo w/grind king kingpins salvaged from a set of grindking AXL trucks (khiro yellow bushings)
Spitfire Formula Fours 55mm 99a classics worn down to 51mm
Rush Ceramic Bearings
Rails

I've actually got more but these are the ones skated most often. When I first started skating a lot when I was 13, my parents tried to limit me by taking my board away on weekdays and giving it back on the weekend. I would just go to the skatepark and ride my friend's boards during the week. Eventually my parents relented and I could skate whenever, but I never forgot the fun of trying/figuring out my friends' boards.

If I stuck with one setup, I'd probably be giving away bits and pieces more often which is what I did before. I only feel like a hoarder if don't actually skate a particular board for a while, and once I do skate it, then I realize why I set it up again.

Some wheels slide better at different spots for different tricks and some trucks let me sit on grinds easier than others. I've learned that for me there isn't a silver bullet setup that will magically make me skate great each time since I've had some of my best sessions skating some of the most questionable setups. Also, I hate stepping on a board and realizing the bearings are sluggish and need cleaning, hardware is loose and I forgot my skate tool, or some other thing feels off and trying to power through/having fun despite it. So much easier to just pull another one from the trunk and feel like that one is better and move forward especially if I already drove 30 minutes to skate somewhere. Hell, when I used to stick to one setup, I found myself skating the Upland skatepark full pipe with a set of skinny ass gold wheels and almost dying. Never again.

Skateboarding is my luxury so I don't feel bad having such a big quiver since other dudes in middle age waste their money on cars or some other much more expensive hobby. This shit is peanuts compared to that.

By the way, if I was trying to move hard goods, I'd be trying to convince kids to buy more than one setup. Like, you can get by with one, but if you had two...

Hell yeah dude that's tight! I saw you talking about those Rock'n Ron's bearings in another thread and I'm actually pretty interested in trying those out too. Next time he has them in stock I might just get some & set up a second board with all my other parts laying around
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 30, 2017, 01:40:15 AM
Does anyone have a link to the other photo of the new thunder specials for ishpd with the new base plates? I've seen the one on frank gerwers board but not the second, are the new baseplates gonna look like the royal iv baseplates
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on July 31, 2017, 09:25:10 AM
I hope they are extending the part you slide on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on July 31, 2017, 03:24:40 PM
Quote from: rob on July 30, 2017, 01:40:15 AM
Does anyone have a link to the other photo of the new thunder specials for ishpd with the new base plates? I've seen the one on frank gerwers board but not the second, are the new baseplates gonna look like the royal iv baseplates
i want to see these. wheres the gerwer pic?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 31, 2017, 03:44:54 PM
Quote from: pointandclick on July 31, 2017, 03:24:40 PM
Quote from: rob on July 30, 2017, 01:40:15 AM
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Does anyone have a link to the other photo of the new thunder specials for ishpd with the new base plates? I've seen the one on frank gerwers board but not the second, are the new baseplates gonna look like the royal iv baseplates
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i want to see these. wheres the gerwer pic?

It's on Gabe morfords(@morfordrmedia I think it was) instagram if gerwer holding his board up showing off some super flat spotted spitfires but if you look at the thunder baseplates they're shaped like Royal IV baseplates
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on July 31, 2017, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: rob on July 31, 2017, 03:44:54 PM
Quote from: pointandclick on July 31, 2017, 03:24:40 PM
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Quote from: rob on July 30, 2017, 01:40:15 AM
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Does anyone have a link to the other photo of the new thunder specials for ishpd with the new base plates? I've seen the one on frank gerwers board but not the second, are the new baseplates gonna look like the royal iv baseplates
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i want to see these. wheres the gerwer pic?
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It's on Gabe morfords(@morfordrmedia I think it was) instagram if gerwer holding his board up showing off some super flat spotted spitfires but if you look at the thunder baseplates they're shaped like Royal IV baseplates

This the pic?

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/c0.134.1080.1080/15802018_1724781814503820_1560248484903256064_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 31, 2017, 04:39:56 PM
New Deluxe stuff is hitting shops this week, so are we going to see these trucks or what?

Also, what's up with the hollow 5.8s? they're impossible to find.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on July 31, 2017, 05:05:52 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 31, 2017, 04:39:56 PM
New Deluxe stuff is hitting shops this week, so are we going to see these trucks or what?

I actually emailed Reed about this last week and he said that they weren't in production yet.  I could've sworn I saw something about them coming out sooner, but no dice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 31, 2017, 06:01:21 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 31, 2017, 04:39:56 PM
New Deluxe stuff is hitting shops this week, so are we going to see these trucks or what?

Also, what's up with the hollow 5.8s? they're impossible to find.

5.8 Hollows have been MIA for years, sucks - I dropped down to 8"s just to try out hollow V lights.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on July 31, 2017, 06:17:12 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 31, 2017, 06:01:21 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 31, 2017, 04:39:56 PM
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New Deluxe stuff is hitting shops this week, so are we going to see these trucks or what?

Also, what's up with the hollow 5.8s? they're impossible to find.
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5.8 Hollows have been MIA for years, sucks - I dropped down to 8"s just to try out hollow V lights.

I got my 5.8 v-hollow's from when P.Rod first got on venture a few years back and even then those were very hard to find. I think they might've been the only ones they made, as they're P.Rod pro models. I bought mine off some obscure online skate stuff after a while of searching on the web, and even then they were the last pair in stock. I think now they only make team hollows.

I really hope they eventually get some titanium axles in the lineup at some point tho
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 31, 2017, 06:20:18 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on July 31, 2017, 06:17:12 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 31, 2017, 06:01:21 PM
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Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 31, 2017, 04:39:56 PM
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New Deluxe stuff is hitting shops this week, so are we going to see these trucks or what?

Also, what's up with the hollow 5.8s? they're impossible to find.
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5.8 Hollows have been MIA for years, sucks - I dropped down to 8"s just to try out hollow V lights.
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I got my 5.8 v-hollow's from when P.Rod first got on venture a few years back and even then those were very hard to find. I think they might've been the only ones they made, as they're P.Rod pro models. I bought mine off some obscure online skate stuff after a while of searching on the web, and even then they were the last pair in stock. I think now they only make team hollows.

I really hope they eventually get some titanium axles in the lineup at some point tho
Titanium 5.5's, get on it Lenny.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 31, 2017, 08:39:34 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on July 31, 2017, 06:17:12 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 31, 2017, 06:01:21 PM
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Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 31, 2017, 04:39:56 PM
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New Deluxe stuff is hitting shops this week, so are we going to see these trucks or what?

Also, what's up with the hollow 5.8s? they're impossible to find.
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5.8 Hollows have been MIA for years, sucks - I dropped down to 8"s just to try out hollow V lights.
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I got my 5.8 v-hollow's from when P.Rod first got on venture a few years back and even then those were very hard to find. I think they might've been the only ones they made, as they're P.Rod pro models. I bought mine off some obscure online skate stuff after a while of searching on the web, and even then they were the last pair in stock. I think now they only make team hollows.

I really hope they eventually get some titanium axles in the lineup at some point tho

Doubt there is any real demand for 8.5 Ventures, most would go to Indy, then Thunder for that, Venture's marketing is 8" or below; they make what sells.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 01, 2017, 05:33:31 PM
Good day fellow truck enthusiasts. So within one week I've broken two front baseplates on my Ace 55's at the side of the pivot hole. I did it doing slappies, which I recently started getting the hang of but sometimes I bash into the side of the curb with mainly my axle on accident which has resulted in the broken plates. Is this normal for Indy's to have this issue? I've never done slappies besides on these Ace trucks and am wondering if it's because of the cheap Chinese aluminum that makes them prone to such easy breakage. These are the newer design, too... I just don't wanna go back to Indy but I will if it means not breaking them from doing a simple slappy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 02, 2017, 09:48:55 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 01, 2017, 05:33:31 PM
Good day fellow truck enthusiasts. So within one week I've broken two front baseplates on my Ace 55's at the side of the pivot hole. I did it doing slappies, which I recently started getting the hang of but sometimes I bash into the side of the curb with mainly my axle on accident which has resulted in the broken plates. Is this normal for Indy's to have this issue? I've never done slappies besides on these Ace trucks and am wondering if it's because of the cheap Chinese aluminum that makes them prone to such easy breakage. These are the newer design, too... I just don't wanna go back to Indy but I will if it means not breaking them from doing a simple slappy.

That sucks,I'd reach out to ACE via FB and see if they can send you newplates...two in one week sounds a bit odd tho.

Slappies? Get yourself some Krux (...still Chinese aluminum) they are THE slappie truck, amazing for slappies; or, just go back to indy or thunder if you are slapping only.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 02, 2017, 10:16:10 AM
Quote from: Xen on August 02, 2017, 09:48:55 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 01, 2017, 05:33:31 PM
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Good day fellow truck enthusiasts. So within one week I've broken two front baseplates on my Ace 55's at the side of the pivot hole. I did it doing slappies, which I recently started getting the hang of but sometimes I bash into the side of the curb with mainly my axle on accident which has resulted in the broken plates. Is this normal for Indy's to have this issue? I've never done slappies besides on these Ace trucks and am wondering if it's because of the cheap Chinese aluminum that makes them prone to such easy breakage. These are the newer design, too... I just don't wanna go back to Indy but I will if it means not breaking them from doing a simple slappy.
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That sucks,I'd reach out to ACE via FB and see if they can send you newplates...two in one week sounds a bit odd tho.

Slappies? Get yourself some Krux (...still Chinese aluminum) they are THE slappie truck, amazing for slappies; or, just go back to indy or thunder if you are slapping only.
How are krux "the slappies Trucks?"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on August 02, 2017, 12:24:27 PM
Dennis Busenitz Curb Your Enthusiasm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KkqiZdqdFg#)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on August 02, 2017, 12:51:58 PM
wish i could slappy, that looked fun
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on August 02, 2017, 04:26:21 PM
Skate Wharehouse is listing Bones Hardcore Barrel bushings now

http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Bones_Hardcore_Barrel_Bushings/descpage-BSHCBBU.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Bones_Hardcore_Barrel_Bushings/descpage-BSHCBBU.html)

85a, 88a, 90a, 93a

(http://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=BSHCBBU-930-1.jpg&nw=435)

(https://www.basementskate.com.au/images/P/bones-hardcore-barrels-85a-green-bushings.png)

http://skatehardcore.com/ (http://skatehardcore.com/)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 02, 2017, 07:59:44 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 02, 2017, 10:16:10 AM
Quote from: Xen on August 02, 2017, 09:48:55 AM
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Quote from: Diocletian on August 01, 2017, 05:33:31 PM
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Good day fellow truck enthusiasts. So within one week I've broken two front baseplates on my Ace 55's at the side of the pivot hole. I did it doing slappies, which I recently started getting the hang of but sometimes I bash into the side of the curb with mainly my axle on accident which has resulted in the broken plates. Is this normal for Indy's to have this issue? I've never done slappies besides on these Ace trucks and am wondering if it's because of the cheap Chinese aluminum that makes them prone to such easy breakage. These are the newer design, too... I just don't wanna go back to Indy but I will if it means not breaking them from doing a simple slappy.
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That sucks,I'd reach out to ACE via FB and see if they can send you newplates...two in one week sounds a bit odd tho.

Slappies? Get yourself some Krux (...still Chinese aluminum) they are THE slappie truck, amazing for slappies; or, just go back to indy or thunder if you are slapping only.
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How are krux "the slappies Trucks?"

They grind easier (to me and a few others)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: -- on August 02, 2017, 09:12:06 PM
Quote from: VCR on August 02, 2017, 12:51:58 PM
wish i could slappy, that looked fun
i recently figured out frontside slappies. approach the curb at a 45 degree angle with your weight on your heels. ride into it and your front truck should lock in like a front crook, but not all the way on top. do this a few times to get the hang of it. when you're ready, go fast and do the same thing then immediately do this thing that i can only describe as a frontside powerslide, but not really. that should slap your back truck on and you can ollie or just ride out. people say it's all in your front foot but i've noticed it to be a transfer of weight from the front to back. another trick i can compare the feeling to is a front smith because of the way you jam your back trucks in, if that helps. it's kind of like learning how to ollie when you had to get the timing of the pop and slide. with the slappy once you get the front truck on the back truck goes right after. it's two steps almost simultaneously and you can either be a natural or practice until you get it right. i still can't do backsides, though

(https://fat.gfycat.com/SnoopyVictoriousCuckoo.gif)
(https://giant.gfycat.com/FrailCautiousAlaskanmalamute.gif)
(https://giant.gfycat.com/SparklingEnergeticArgali.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 02, 2017, 10:03:38 PM
Quote from: full of jerks on August 02, 2017, 04:26:21 PM
Skate Wharehouse is listing Bones Hardcore Barrel bushings now

http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Bones_Hardcore_Barrel_Bushings/descpage-BSHCBBU.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Bones_Hardcore_Barrel_Bushings/descpage-BSHCBBU.html)

85a, 88a, 90a, 93a

(http://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=BSHCBBU-930-1.jpg&nw=435)

(https://www.basementskate.com.au/images/P/bones-hardcore-barrels-85a-green-bushings.png)

http://skatehardcore.com/ (http://skatehardcore.com/)


Those look like longboard bushings to me

Quote
Will fit ALL Longboard trucks that use standard bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on August 02, 2017, 10:40:17 PM
Quote from: -- on August 02, 2017, 09:12:06 PM
Quote from: VCR on August 02, 2017, 12:51:58 PM
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wish i could slappy, that looked fun
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i recently figured out frontside slappies. approach the curb at a 45 degree angle with your weight on your heels. ride into it and your front truck should lock in like a front crook, but not all the way on top. do this a few times to get the hang of it. when you're ready, go fast and do the same thing then immediately do this thing that i can only describe as a frontside powerslide, but not really. that should slap your back truck on and you can ollie or just ride out. people say it's all in your front foot but i've noticed it to be a transfer of weight from the front to back. another trick i can compare the feeling to is a front smith because of the way you jam your back trucks in, if that helps. it's kind of like learning how to ollie when you had to get the timing of the pop and slide. with the slappy once you get the front truck on the back truck goes right after. it's two steps almost simultaneously and you can either be a natural or practice until you get it right. i still can't do backsides, though
nice description, I'm really keen to learn both at the moment. With backsides I can get my front truck on every time but my back truck won't pop up so I'm wondering if it's the turn I'm using because it has this little lip sticking out on it? Then again if the lip was the problem why would my front truck get up there every time?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 03, 2017, 07:54:11 AM
I went from the lifting front truck...then back truck....to learning not to........I have since lost all of it.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sharkin on August 03, 2017, 08:02:37 AM
I learned to slappy one night by just slamming into curbs full speed and shifting my weight back a bit to not pitch forward


coming at like 45-60* angle and slashing at the curb like's it's coping on top of tiny tranny is the best way to describe it


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on August 03, 2017, 08:12:23 AM
Quote from: sharkin on August 03, 2017, 08:02:37 AM
I learned to slappy one night by just slamming into curbs full speed and shifting my weight back a bit to not pitch forward


coming at like 45-60* angle and slashing at the curb like's it's coping on top of tiny tranny is the best way to describe it



Very good way to describe it. Some curbs are just a bitch to get though. You've got those ones that are an acute angle instead of right angles and they fucking suck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Rick Sanchez on August 03, 2017, 08:52:31 AM
pulled the trigger and copped these as ive never had ventures but will most likely send them back and stay on indys.. sigh..

https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/venture-trucks-color-wings-2-high-5-25-truck-red_p109841 (https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/venture-trucks-color-wings-2-high-5-25-truck-red_p109841)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 03, 2017, 02:25:55 PM
Slappys for me are basically just busting into the curb while already slightly turning your body before you smash it. Leaning back and to the left for frontside and down right for backside. I just go fast and most of the time it works out. Super bummed I'm leaving Ace but two baseplates in a week is unacceptable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on August 03, 2017, 03:17:55 PM
can someone kick me some advice? i recently switched to indys after riding ventures. i ride a 8.25 and i am noticing my board goes primo a lot more since i've changed trucks. im riding indy 149's at the moment. my venture's were 5.25. am i riding the right size trucks for my board?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on August 03, 2017, 07:59:24 PM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on August 03, 2017, 03:17:55 PM
can someone kick me some advice? i recently switched to indys after riding ventures. i ride a 8.25 and i am noticing my board goes primo a lot more since i've changed trucks. im riding indy 149's at the moment. my venture's were 5.25. am i riding the right size trucks for my board?

Venture 5.2 are an 8" truck. 149s are 8.5". Unless you meant that you were on Venture 5.8s (their 8.5" truck), you are riding a bigger truck than you were before and it will behave differently in relation to the width of your deck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Thrash-trash on August 03, 2017, 08:10:39 PM
Quote from: sharkin on August 03, 2017, 08:02:37 AM
I learned to slappy one night by just slamming into curbs full speed and shifting my weight back a bit to not pitch forward


coming at like 45-60* angle and slashing at the curb like's it's coping on top of tiny tranny is the best way to describe it




Yeah, that 60* angle might seem a little too heavy at first, but it def help getting the back truck to roll up the edge of the curb. Its def the best way for a taller curb,  for me anyways. I always trip on how lots of guys can do a more parallel approach.

Quote from: Xen on August 02, 2017, 09:48:55 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 01, 2017, 05:33:31 PM
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Good day fellow truck enthusiasts. So within one week I've broken two front baseplates on my Ace 55's at the side of the pivot hole. I did it doing slappies, which I recently started getting the hang of but sometimes I bash into the side of the curb with mainly my axle on accident which has resulted in the broken plates. Is this normal for Indy's to have this issue? I've never done slappies besides on these Ace trucks and am wondering if it's because of the cheap Chinese aluminum that makes them prone to such easy breakage. These are the newer design, too... I just don't wanna go back to Indy but I will if it means not breaking them from doing a simple slappy.
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That sucks,I'd reach out to ACE via FB and see if they can send you newplates...two in one week sounds a bit odd tho.

Slappies? Get yourself some Krux (...still Chinese aluminum) they are THE slappie truck, amazing for slappies; or, just go back to indy or thunder if you are slapping only.
 

With the Aces, I know the pivot cup bushings will blow out pretty quickly. So if there is a little slop with the pivot, that will easily snap either the pivot nipple on the hanger, or the hole in the baseplate. But breaking 2 in a week is def something Id contact Ace about. Even if your bummed on the Aces from here on out, Im sure they'll still send you something which you'll be able to trade or kick down.  As far as the Krux, Ive never rode them, but I am willing to try their king pin and bushings mod on my Ace 44s and 55s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 03, 2017, 09:07:07 PM
Yeah, I emailed Ace about it. My pivot cups weren't stock either, they were the riptide custom ones that cost me nearly $15 and the first time the pivot hole started getting warped on the actual baseplate and it ripped through the urethane. Riptide was kind enough to send me a pair under warranty, they have amazing customer service and are super friendly, so I highly recommend those pivot cups. But yeah, as far as Ace goes...I'm bummed on walking away from them. If they end up making it right and I get a set that doesn't break I'll change my mind but I'm not getting my hopes up too much. The replacements will still be the same old recycled Chinese aluminum.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Thrash-trash on August 03, 2017, 09:50:38 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 03, 2017, 09:07:07 PM
Yeah, I emailed Ace about it. My pivot cups weren't stock either, they were the riptide custom ones that cost me nearly $15 and the first time the pivot hole started getting warped on the actual baseplate and it ripped through the urethane. Riptide was kind enough to send me a pair under warranty, they have amazing customer service and are super friendly, so I highly recommend those pivot cups. But yeah, as far as Ace goes...I'm bummed on walking away from them. If they end up making it right and I get a set that doesn't break I'll change my mind but I'm not getting my hopes up too much. The replacements will still be the same old recycled Chinese aluminum.

Bummer. I really liked both of my Aces, 44 & 55 set ups.  The 44's are a bit older and will prob be snapping the hanger soon. Ive replaced the pivot bushings twice now, but not sure what kind of cups they are.
This is what it looked like before the first replacement. I slappy pretty much all my street skating sessions these days. Im 45 years old, and its pretty much the only street trick i have left.
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/924/3Fpap9.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/po3Fpap9j)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/923/TceAck.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnTceAckj)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on August 03, 2017, 10:29:44 PM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on August 02, 2017, 10:03:38 PM
Quote from: full of jerks on August 02, 2017, 04:26:21 PM
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Skate Wharehouse is listing Bones Hardcore Barrel bushings now...[/url]
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Those look like longboard bushings to me

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Will fit ALL Longboard trucks that use standard bushings
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From the blurb on Skate Warehouse

"Will fit ALL Longboard trucks that use standard bushings, or Tall bushing trucks when using a shim. Great for Aera, Paris, Caliber, Randal, etc. "

They could mean standard longboard bushing as opposed to tall longboard bushing.  I don't know.  I'll probably buy a pair just to check em out.

Most of the sites that are listing these are longboard sites. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on August 03, 2017, 11:18:01 PM
bending your knees a lot and getting your legs really relaxed before hitting the curb helps with slappies. when I first started learning them I went at the curb at almost 90 degrees and tried slashing it really fast by leaning back, putting my weight on my heels to make the curb side of the board tilt upward, and turning sharply so I would come back almost in the same direction I came from.

 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on August 04, 2017, 12:00:12 AM
Quote from: Willie on August 03, 2017, 07:59:24 PM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on August 03, 2017, 03:17:55 PM
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can someone kick me some advice? i recently switched to indys after riding ventures. i ride a 8.25 and i am noticing my board goes primo a lot more since i've changed trucks. im riding indy 149's at the moment. my venture's were 5.25. am i riding the right size trucks for my board?
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Venture 5.2 are an 8" truck. 149s are 8.5". Unless you meant that you were on Venture 5.8s (their 8.5" truck), you are riding a bigger truck than you were before and it will behave differently in relation to the width of your deck.

I mean the 5.2. the indys are really wide which i liked initially but i could swear its throwing off my flip tricks. thank you
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Pigeon on August 04, 2017, 12:18:10 AM
I like Independence trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 04, 2017, 08:48:21 AM
Quote from: Thrash-trash on August 03, 2017, 09:50:38 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 03, 2017, 09:07:07 PM
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Yeah, I emailed Ace about it. My pivot cups weren't stock either, they were the riptide custom ones that cost me nearly $15 and the first time the pivot hole started getting warped on the actual baseplate and it ripped through the urethane. Riptide was kind enough to send me a pair under warranty, they have amazing customer service and are super friendly, so I highly recommend those pivot cups. But yeah, as far as Ace goes...I'm bummed on walking away from them. If they end up making it right and I get a set that doesn't break I'll change my mind but I'm not getting my hopes up too much. The replacements will still be the same old recycled Chinese aluminum.
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Bummer. I really liked both of my Aces, 44 & 55 set ups.  The 44's are a bit older and will prob be snapping the hanger soon. Ive replaced the pivot bushings twice now, but not sure what kind of cups they are.
This is what it looked like before the first replacement. I slappy pretty much all my street skating sessions these days. Im 45 years old, and its pretty much the only street trick i have left.
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/924/3Fpap9.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/po3Fpap9j)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/923/TceAck.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnTceAckj)



Damn that pivot got fucked up. Yeah, I got a generic ass response from Ace. Heading to the shop to buy some regular 149 Indy's and staying with them from now on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 04, 2017, 05:58:43 PM
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can someone kick me some advice? i recently switched to indys after riding ventures. i ride a 8.25 and i am noticing my board goes primo a lot more since i've changed trucks. im riding indy 149's at the moment. my venture's were 5.25. am i riding the right size trucks for my board?
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Venture 5.2 are an 8" truck. 149s are 8.5". Unless you meant that you were on Venture 5.8s (their 8.5" truck), you are riding a bigger truck than you were before and it will behave differently in relation to the width of your deck.
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I mean the 5.2. the indys are really wide which i liked initially but i could swear its throwing off my flip tricks. thank you

Different symmetry. I went from Indys to Thunders and had to re-adjust to the new manual spot and trick timing. Then switched to Ventures and had the same situation and my pop definitely changed and had to loosen them beyond stock to turn better. I don't have that much experience or board control and I felt the difference. So there is a difference in your trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Marsellus Wallace on August 05, 2017, 05:40:27 AM
Has anyone tried Krux K4?s with the red 88a Indy Bushings? I ride my Krux with some Bones Medium and it feels ok, but i think it could be better.
also: what are the differences between the cylinder and conical indy bushings in boardfeel?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on August 05, 2017, 08:59:14 AM
Quote from: Marsellus Wallace on August 05, 2017, 05:40:27 AM
Has anyone tried Krux K4?s with the red 88a Indy Bushings? I ride my Krux with some Bones Medium and it feels ok, but i think it could be better.
also: what are the differences between the cylinder and conical indy bushings in boardfeel?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on August 05, 2017, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: Marsellus Wallace on August 05, 2017, 05:40:27 AM
Has anyone tried Krux K4?s with the red 88a Indy Bushings? I ride my Krux with some Bones Medium and it feels ok, but i think it could be better.
also: what are the differences between the cylinder and conical indy bushings in boardfeel?
I'm currently riding a pair of Krux 4.5 (8.25) trucks with the orange barrel indy bushings 92a. With the conical you get a quicker response but you also loose stability. I feel that the barrel is a lot more balanced/stable and still offers a good performance all arround.

Krux is a good truck for a good price and they feel really well built. They are super responsive and turn nicelly but its on the deep carves that they fail. I barrely get any wheelbite, which is good, but sometimes I loose my balance in the deep sharp turns that I used to do with my previous indys and I miss that.

I'm planning to get a pair of indy's 144 forged hollow when I get my next paycheck and maybe build a cruiser with the krux.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on August 05, 2017, 02:32:45 PM
someone at the park last night just told me about thunder 148s. has anyone skated these? and are they high mid or low?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ThugWaffle on August 05, 2017, 03:13:44 PM
how are ventures compared to thunders?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on August 05, 2017, 04:34:37 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 03, 2017, 09:07:07 PM
Yeah, I emailed Ace about it. My pivot cups weren't stock either, they were the riptide custom ones that cost me nearly $15 and the first time the pivot hole started getting warped on the actual baseplate and it ripped through the urethane. Riptide was kind enough to send me a pair under warranty, they have amazing customer service and are super friendly, so I highly recommend those pivot cups. But yeah, as far as Ace goes...I'm bummed on walking away from them. If they end up making it right and I get a set that doesn't break I'll change my mind but I'm not getting my hopes up too much. The replacements will still be the same old recycled Chinese aluminum.

I've always had this issue but more likely with the 44's. Also purchased those RipTide Pivot Cups(technically they're bushings too) and they lasted much longer, about a week or so compare to a couple of days as opposed to DLX and Indy Cups(Bushings). The 55's however takes awhile for the stock Pivot Cup Bushings to blowout. Once you've warp that pivot hole on the baseplate. any other pivot cup you put in will be rendered useless and will blow out just as easily. I really love the Ace's turn and feel but if they managed to fix the bending issue on the hanger, pretty sure can work on either getting forged baseplate or a harder duro for their stock pivot bushings than the current duro they're using right now.


Been going back and fort with Ace's and Venture's since they're the same width as far as hanger goes. Venture's are far more stable but feel's lower than Ace. Way more durable too since the pivot cups don't blow out at all. buuuttt the hanger gets worn down just as quick as Ace. The only thing that Venture really bugs me is that it has this Transformer's look to it and i can't shake it off. They're such good trucks, Ace has a nicer look to it which is probably way nicer than any other trucks on the market right now. Feels and Turns great but far from durable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on August 05, 2017, 04:55:13 PM
I missed the pop of Thunder kickflips so my madness has returned. I also believe now that 8.00 and up decks feel more comfy on my old legs. Tried to hold on to 7.5 to 7.75 but I swear the landings make my knees ache and my 8.125 with thunders do not. Anyways ... hello madness my old friend
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 05, 2017, 07:49:48 PM
Quote from: fang on August 05, 2017, 04:55:13 PM
I missed the pop of Thunder kickflips so my madness has returned. I also believe now that 8.00 and up decks feel more comfy on my old legs. Tried to hold on to 7.5 to 7.75 but I swear the landings make my knees ache and my 8.125 with thunders do not. Anyways ... hello madness my old friend
You go 147s or 148s? I was totally happy with my ventures, still am, but I bought some thunder 148s for no reason. Skating them tomorrow, will probably have them in the classifieds by the evening.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on August 05, 2017, 09:10:07 PM
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I missed the pop of Thunder kickflips so my madness has returned. I also believe now that 8.00 and up decks feel more comfy on my old legs. Tried to hold on to 7.5 to 7.75 but I swear the landings make my knees ache and my 8.125 with thunders do not. Anyways ... hello madness my old friend
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You go 147s or 148s? I was totally happy with my ventures, still am, but I bought some thunder 148s for no reason. Skating them tomorrow, will probably have them in the classifieds by the evening.
Can't wait to NOT skate those thunders tomorrow bruh
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on August 06, 2017, 12:33:23 AM
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I missed the pop of Thunder kickflips so my madness has returned. I also believe now that 8.00 and up decks feel more comfy on my old legs. Tried to hold on to 7.5 to 7.75 but I swear the landings make my knees ache and my 8.125 with thunders do not. Anyways ... hello madness my old friend
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You go 147s or 148s? I was totally happy with my ventures, still am, but I bought some thunder 148s for no reason. Skating them tomorrow, will probably have them in the classifieds by the evening.

147 hi. There's something about these. I've been flipping back n forth between ventures and thunders the last year. Then I got some Indus 129 for a 7.81 anti hero. But I kept thinking about my thunders so I'm back
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 06, 2017, 09:55:19 PM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on August 05, 2017, 02:32:45 PM
someone at the park last night just told me about thunder 148s. has anyone skated these? and are they high mid or low?

Idk what it is but compared to 149 being the same height the 148 are really weird, they're sorta stable but sorta slim. It's better to stick to the classic 149 or lower height 147 hi.

I've been getting a lot of stuff down with my thunder 147 hi cause they're so quality. Perfect height, response and quick turn. If you want some thing more stable, wider, a Little taller and great response riding an 8.25 and up I suggest 149 over 148 even though 148 are supposed to be perfect for 8.25-8.4 but they just feel odd.

If you ride 7.8-8.25 and want good response, quick turn, and control go for the 147hi but other wise for preference of 8.25 or bigger skip the 148 and go 149.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on August 06, 2017, 10:01:03 PM
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someone at the park last night just told me about thunder 148s. has anyone skated these? and are they high mid or low?
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Idk what it is but compared to 149 being the same height the 148 are really weird, they're sorta stable but sorta slim. It's better to stick to the classic 149 or lower height 147 hi.

I've been getting a lot of stuff down with my thunder 147 hi cause they're so quality. Perfect height, response and quick turn. If you want some thing more stable, wider, a Little taller and great response riding an 8.25 and up I suggest 149 over 148 even though 148 are supposed to be perfect for 8.25-8.4 but they just feel odd.

If you ride 7.8-8.25 and want good response, quick turn, and control go for the 147hi but other wise for preference of 8.25 or bigger skip the 148 and go 149.


There are those of us that are psychotic about our trucks. . .and then there's you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 07, 2017, 01:02:47 PM
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someone at the park last night just told me about thunder 148s. has anyone skated these? and are they high mid or low?
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Idk what it is but compared to 149 being the same height the 148 are really weird, they're sorta stable but sorta slim. It's better to stick to the classic 149 or lower height 147 hi.

I've been getting a lot of stuff down with my thunder 147 hi cause they're so quality. Perfect height, response and quick turn. If you want some thing more stable, wider, a Little taller and great response riding an 8.25 and up I suggest 149 over 148 even though 148 are supposed to be perfect for 8.25-8.4 but they just feel odd.

If you ride 7.8-8.25 and want good response, quick turn, and control go for the 147hi but other wise for preference of 8.25 or bigger skip the 148 and go 149.


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There are those of us that are psychotic about our trucks. . .and then there's you.

I lurv the 148s and the 144s - Perfect for 8.25/8.3 - 8" always felt to narrowmagicarpet to me on those sizes and while I rode 149s forever on 8.3s and on 8.25s they just felt better on wider boards.

That said, nothing will ever beat the OLD (low) 149s, skinny 51mm wheels and and 8.3x loooow and fat =D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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someone at the park last night just told me about thunder 148s. has anyone skated these? and are they high mid or low?
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Idk what it is but compared to 149 being the same height the 148 are really weird, they're sorta stable but sorta slim. It's better to stick to the classic 149 or lower height 147 hi.

I've been getting a lot of stuff down with my thunder 147 hi cause they're so quality. Perfect height, response and quick turn. If you want some thing more stable, wider, a Little taller and great response riding an 8.25 and up I suggest 149 over 148 even though 148 are supposed to be perfect for 8.25-8.4 but they just feel odd.

If you ride 7.8-8.25 and want good response, quick turn, and control go for the 147hi but other wise for preference of 8.25 or bigger skip the 148 and go 149.


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There are those of us that are psychotic about our trucks. . .and then there's you.
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I lurv the 148s and the 144s - Perfect for 8.25/8.3 - 8" always felt to narrowmagicarpet to me on those sizes and while I rode 149s forever on 8.3s and on 8.25s they just felt better on wider boards.

That said, nothing will ever beat the OLD (low) 149s, skinny 51mm wheels and and 8.3x loooow and fat =D

I agree, the old 149ers how low and wide they were felt so responsive and under control. I wish they brought them back but as the new 149 lo so we get a classic lower center of gravity control wide thunder again. Imagine a pair on a REAL low pro deck haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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someone at the park last night just told me about thunder 148s. has anyone skated these? and are they high mid or low?
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Idk what it is but compared to 149 being the same height the 148 are really weird, they're sorta stable but sorta slim. It's better to stick to the classic 149 or lower height 147 hi.

I've been getting a lot of stuff down with my thunder 147 hi cause they're so quality. Perfect height, response and quick turn. If you want some thing more stable, wider, a Little taller and great response riding an 8.25 and up I suggest 149 over 148 even though 148 are supposed to be perfect for 8.25-8.4 but they just feel odd.

If you ride 7.8-8.25 and want good response, quick turn, and control go for the 147hi but other wise for preference of 8.25 or bigger skip the 148 and go 149.


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There are those of us that are psychotic about our trucks. . .and then there's you.
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I lurv the 148s and the 144s - Perfect for 8.25/8.3 - 8" always felt to narrowmagicarpet to me on those sizes and while I rode 149s forever on 8.3s and on 8.25s they just felt better on wider boards.

That said, nothing will ever beat the OLD (low) 149s, skinny 51mm wheels and and 8.3x loooow and fat =D
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I agree, the old 149ers how low and wide they were felt so responsive and under control. I wish they brought them back but as the new 149 lo so we get a classic lower center of gravity control wide thunder again. Imagine a pair on a REAL low pro deck haha

Met this guy at a park with that combo, dude claimed that lower and wider was better. Can't kook him bevcause the park was way too packed and he was at least nice off the board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Pigeon on August 07, 2017, 07:05:21 PM
What were the measurements for the axles on Thunders in the early 90's?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 08, 2017, 08:01:10 AM
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What were the measurements for the axles on Thunders in the early 90's?

If I am not mistaken they were 8.25?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 14, 2017, 04:10:21 AM
Does anyone know any odd pro truck setups or anything of that nature?

Like how Leo Romero rides Indy 129 lows and Pete Eldridge and Luis Marnell(Rest In Peace his soul) rode thunder 147 lo's, I think billy marks still rocks the ole thunder 145 lo, last I saw tommy guns still doing krux 3.5/7.6 lows, before the 144 Reynolds with 139 Indys on 8.5 decks



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gumi on August 14, 2017, 04:59:32 AM
Quote from: rob on August 14, 2017, 04:10:21 AM
Does anyone know any odd pro truck setups or anything of that nature?

Like how Leo Romero rides Indy 129 lows and Pete Eldridge and Luis Marnell(Rest In Peace his soul) rode thunder 147 lo's, I think billy marks still rocks the ole thunder 145 lo, last I saw tommy guns still doing krux 3.5/7.6 lows, before the 144 Reynolds with 139 Indys on 8.5 decks





I saw a vid where Ellington had 147s on a 8.62 or something crazy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: danjtony on August 14, 2017, 05:03:28 AM
Riley Hawk used to ride 169's on an 8.5, but he said he switched to 149's. Slash rides 139's on 8.5.

Al Partenen rides 139's and adds extra speed rings on the inside to widen the wheels out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on August 15, 2017, 09:40:11 AM
Whatever works out for them but I just ordered a pair of 144 indy hollow forged to match perfectly my 8.25 deck. I had too (Thanks for getting my ocd even worse guys!). Pumped to try them out when I arrive from my vacations.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 15, 2017, 04:06:42 PM
Currently have a truck dilemma...can't do cast baseplates anymore because even my raw Indy 159's have widened at the pivot hole from slappies. The pivot cup is fine, it's the actual aluminum that's warping. Not as bad as Ace's cheap metal but it still bugs me. Will thunders' 149 forged trucks make me have insane wheelbite with 53mm wheels? I weigh around 200lbs and can't do risers I hate them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on August 15, 2017, 05:19:55 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 15, 2017, 04:06:42 PM
Currently have a truck dilemma...can't do cast baseplates anymore because even my raw Indy 159's have widened at the pivot hole from slappies. The pivot cup is fine, it's the actual aluminum that's warping. Not as bad as Ace's cheap metal but it still bugs me. Will thunders' 149 forged trucks make me have insane wheelbite with 53mm wheels? I weigh around 200lbs and can't do risers I hate them.

53mms should be fine, I'm riding 54mms on mine without too much trouble (but I'm about 30 pounds lighter than you).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on August 15, 2017, 05:42:29 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 15, 2017, 04:06:42 PM
Currently have a truck dilemma...can't do cast baseplates anymore because even my raw Indy 159's have widened at the pivot hole from slappies. The pivot cup is fine, it's the actual aluminum that's warping. Not as bad as Ace's cheap metal but it still bugs me. Will thunders' 149 forged trucks make me have insane wheelbite with 53mm wheels? I weigh around 200lbs and can't do risers I hate them.

Forged indys could do the trick.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: danjtony on August 15, 2017, 06:43:19 PM
For what it's worth, thunders with risers don't feel as weird as with other trucks. Still really snappy and turn much better with extra clearance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on August 15, 2017, 07:08:57 PM
I am your weight, I ride the Thunder 149 hi with 1/8" Thunder risers & 54 mm wheels. I still get wheel bite, it's not too bad though. I would def. recommend risers with Thunders though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 15, 2017, 07:23:47 PM
Thanks for the feedback guys. I think I'll play it safe and just skate the forged titanium Indy's I was trying to sell. Thunders probably turn better with some 1/8" risers but I can't stand looking down and seeing plastic separating my trucks from the board. Thunder needs to make a 53.5" hi forged like Indy...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mark Renton on August 16, 2017, 10:27:36 AM
Had to go back to Indys because my front venture broke landing a nollie inward heel (???) and god damn the bushings are awful.
I look drunk and I'm always out of balance because I have to adjust to the board that won't do what I tell her (and we are talking about cruising).
About to put the V bushings into the I trucks and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on August 16, 2017, 10:48:56 AM
I've switched back and forth between Ventures and Thunders 4 times in the last week. Seriously losing my mind
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on August 16, 2017, 11:56:43 AM
Quote from: fang on August 16, 2017, 10:48:56 AM
I've switched back and forth between Ventures and Thunders 4 times in the last week. Seriously losing my mind

Ha. I feel ya.

I'm altering between Indys, Aces and Ventures right now personally. I thought I had my truck setups figured out. Then I broke my leg, had to take 6+ months off and now that I'm slowly getting back to skating, I seem to have a completely different view on how trucks should work.

I've been fucking with the bushings too (and wheels and board sizes). I have 5 set ups right now and am considering getting a 6th one cuz I really liked my friend's set up with titanium Indys. For me it seems to change every time what I prefer. It would be so much easier to just stick with one and go with that. I'm sure I could get along with any of my setups just fine if I had just one but now I'm just testing everything out all the time and coming to weird conclusions on why something is better than the others.  :P
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on August 16, 2017, 12:06:07 PM
Quote from: fang on August 16, 2017, 10:48:56 AM
I've switched back and forth between Ventures and Thunders 4 times in the last week. Seriously losing my mind
add indy into the mix and get crazy, dude

seriously, indy are the best IMO
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on August 16, 2017, 12:18:10 PM
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I've switched back and forth between Ventures and Thunders 4 times in the last week. Seriously losing my mind
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add indy into the mix and get crazy, dude

seriously, indy are the best IMO

I've got Indys 129 on my 7.81 anti hero eagle green deck.
I use that board a bit. But I'm going through a 8.125 phase currently and I've got venture 5.25 lows and thunder 147 hi that I keep flip flopping on. My current thought process is that: Indy turn the best , Venture flip the best and Thunder feel like a combo of both. I really enjoy the pop and consistency of kickflips on Thunder though.

I've also been going through a thought that when I was younger part of the fun of skating was trying new gear so I kinda really want to try these Thunders for a full use. And try some different shoes than vans or Lakai. Just to stop being repetitive too. I only want to use skate brand shoes though. Which is sorta stupid cuz I wear Nike for running. I just don't want to skate in their shit. I've been pondering Es, Emerica and even Etnies. Thos goes hand in hand with my truck crazy crap
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 16, 2017, 12:57:40 PM
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I've switched back and forth between Ventures and Thunders 4 times in the last week. Seriously losing my mind
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add indy into the mix and get crazy, dude

seriously, indy are the best IMO
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I've got Indys 129 on my 7.81 anti hero eagle green deck.
I use that board a bit. But I'm going through a 8.125 phase currently and I've got venture 5.25 lows and thunder 147 hi that I keep flip flopping on. My current thought process is that: Indy turn the best , Venture flip the best and Thunder feel like a combo of both. I really enjoy the pop and consistency of kickflips on Thunder though.

I've also been going through a thought that when I was younger part of the fun of skating was trying new gear so I kinda really want to try these Thunders for a full use. And try some different shoes than vans or Lakai. Just to stop being repetitive too. I only want to use skate brand shoes though. Which is sorta stupid cuz I wear Nike for running. I just don't want to skate in their shit. I've been pondering Es, Emerica and even Etnies. Thos goes hand in hand with my truck crazy crap
I'm skating an 8.1 with thunder 148 teams right now and I really like it, 0 complaints... But there's still this enormous pull back to venture.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jc on August 17, 2017, 03:56:02 PM
Y'all ever install a krux kingpin in a thunder 149?
I'm curious
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on August 17, 2017, 05:49:40 PM
Quote from: jc on August 17, 2017, 03:56:02 PM
Y'all ever install a krux kingpin in a thunder 149?
I'm curious

Works fine in the cast plates, but not in the forged ones


And on that note, anybody got any advice for installing the Theeve titanium kingpin in some tiaxes?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on August 17, 2017, 08:15:01 PM
Just set up an 8.25 with old stage 8 Indy 146s and Bones DTF wheels.

I wanted something soft for rough parks but the setup feels like a bit of a Barney board, mostly due to the soft fat wheels. I think I like the width and heft of the board though, at least for cruising.


The Indys are weird to me after riding nothing but Venture Highs for so long. The Indys don't track straight as easily and the initial turn is super quick but they also don't turn as deeply as the Ventures. Forgot to bring a tool so I was stuck on one setting but the overall feeling was squirrelly and loose yet not as carvy as I'd like.

Might need some bushing experimentation. These Stage 8s have a conical lower bushing which maybe contributes to a less stable feel.

It was also noticeably easier to hit my tail.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 18, 2017, 02:28:52 PM
Anyone here have or have tried thunder titanium lights? Are they significantly lighter than regular hollow lights?

I have some regular lights at the moment(just forged baseplate and hollow kingpin) and they feel a tiny bit lighter than the standards actually but it really gets me thinking if titaniums are worth the extra $15 a truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on August 18, 2017, 02:33:08 PM
I love my Ace, and that's my shit.

but... I would love it Thunder would release another low truck some point in the future. I get that even the "Hi's" are low in comparison to other brands, but the lows just had such a crisp snappy pop.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 18, 2017, 04:17:14 PM
Running some hollow light 169s fully stock with the white bushings. I think they fully broke in a few days ago because they felt looser out of nowhere, can I tighten them up or should I give them a little more time?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 18, 2017, 05:30:51 PM
Quote from: rob on August 18, 2017, 02:28:52 PM
Anyone here have or have tried thunder titanium lights? Are they significantly lighter than regular hollow lights?

I have some regular lights at the moment(just forged baseplate and hollow kingpin) and they feel a tiny bit lighter than the standards actually but it really gets me thinking if titaniums are worth the extra $15 a truck

Depends...if you're riding heavy wood (like WKND) or 149s (non hollows) you can really feel the difference...hollows vs TI, they're lighter in hand but I doubt you'd feel it when skating (I did with ollies tho). Indy's I'd always go TI if funds aren't an issue.

I sold off all my TI shit when shit got hectic (actually made money on the Theeves :P) and currently run ACE 44s with mag plates/krux pins, 144 indy forged hollows and 148 thunder team hollows. Still bouncing back and fuckingforth with indy vs thunder tho!
 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 19, 2017, 06:10:46 AM
Forged baseplates are where it's at. Fucked up on some slappies and normally it would have warped or straight up broke the baseplate on cast ones but the forged are nearly indestructible it seems. I notice how easier it is to ollie higher with these titanium Indy's, too. Convert for life now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on August 21, 2017, 08:36:01 AM
Does anybody else feel like light trucks don't grind as well as normal ones?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jc on August 21, 2017, 09:14:54 AM
for some reason my hanger keeps sliding out of my krux k4s.  :'(
has anyone experienced this issue before?
 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gumi on August 21, 2017, 03:06:04 PM
Quote from: VCR on August 21, 2017, 08:36:01 AM
Does anybody else feel like light trucks don't grind as well as normal ones?

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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on August 21, 2017, 03:09:46 PM
Quote from: gumi on August 21, 2017, 03:06:04 PM
Quote from: VCR on August 21, 2017, 08:36:01 AM
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Does anybody else feel like light trucks don't grind as well as normal ones?
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Maybe it has more to do with hollow hangers?  I've skated my set of Ti 149's off and on for 3 years and they have never had that issue.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 21, 2017, 08:01:56 PM
As much as these Ti indies are indestructible...the turn is slow even with the aftermarket bushings. Hard to get used to after Ace for so long. Thinking I'll cave in and try thunders with some plastic risers. Anyone know which ones fit thunders besides their risers that they offer? According to tactics pretty much no other riser is compatible.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on August 21, 2017, 08:33:01 PM
Lucky risers work with thunders, that's what I used for mine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 21, 2017, 08:34:13 PM
Bones risers fit perfectly, no sticking out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on August 22, 2017, 01:19:10 AM
Even if the risers stick out you can cut that with a knife or a scissor. I did it before. Literally the easiest fix ever.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 22, 2017, 12:26:13 PM
I wonder what's going on with these supposed new thunder baseplates and their release date

I'm too excited to see how they'll look, supposedly someone here said they'll be like venture baseplates
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shitcunt on August 22, 2017, 12:29:14 PM
Quote from: rob on August 22, 2017, 12:26:13 PM
I wonder what's going on with these supposed new thunder baseplates and their release date

I'm too excited to see how they'll look, supposedly someone here said they'll be like venture baseplates

I need them, hopefully they don't change the geometry at all cause I'll just buy a set and put my current axles and bushings on em. All joking aside that little nub of metal makes slides 5 times as consistent.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 256 Ply on August 22, 2017, 05:28:19 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 21, 2017, 08:01:56 PM
As much as these Ti indies are indestructible...the turn is slow even with the aftermarket bushings. Hard to get used to after Ace for so long. Thinking I'll cave in and try thunders with some plastic risers. Anyone know which ones fit thunders besides their risers that they offer? According to tactics pretty much no other riser is compatible.

Pig 1/4" and 1/2" risers are slotted to fit Thunders.
If you want 1/8", then Bones or Thunder.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on August 22, 2017, 06:06:38 PM
Quote from: 256 Ply on August 22, 2017, 05:28:19 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 21, 2017, 08:01:56 PM
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As much as these Ti indies are indestructible...the turn is slow even with the aftermarket bushings. Hard to get used to after Ace for so long. Thinking I'll cave in and try thunders with some plastic risers. Anyone know which ones fit thunders besides their risers that they offer? According to tactics pretty much no other riser is compatible.
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Pig 1/4" and 1/2" risers are slotted to fit Thunders.
If you want 1/8", then Bones or Thunder.

Also, 1/8" Krooked fit perfectly too.
The Thunder 1/8" are hard plastic and the Krooked ones are rubber.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on August 22, 2017, 06:19:30 PM
Quote from: NJFly318 on August 22, 2017, 06:06:38 PM
Quote from: 256 Ply on August 22, 2017, 05:28:19 PM
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Quote from: Diocletian on August 21, 2017, 08:01:56 PM
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As much as these Ti indies are indestructible...the turn is slow even with the aftermarket bushings. Hard to get used to after Ace for so long. Thinking I'll cave in and try thunders with some plastic risers. Anyone know which ones fit thunders besides their risers that they offer? According to tactics pretty much no other riser is compatible.
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Pig 1/4" and 1/2" risers are slotted to fit Thunders.
If you want 1/8", then Bones or Thunder.
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Also, 1/8" Krooked fit perfectly too.
The Thunder 1/8" are hard plastic and the Krooked ones are rubber.
this! hard plastic thunder ones defs didn't do it for me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 22, 2017, 10:39:56 PM
Quote from: shitcunt on August 22, 2017, 12:29:14 PM
Quote from: rob on August 22, 2017, 12:26:13 PM
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I wonder what's going on with these supposed new thunder baseplates and their release date

I'm too excited to see how they'll look, supposedly someone here said they'll be like venture baseplates
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I need them, hopefully they don't change the geometry at all cause I'll just buy a set and put my current axles and bushings on em. All joking aside that little nub of metal makes slides 5 times as consistent.

It really does help you get that good lean and lock into the nose and tail slides and that grand Grindy slide sound of the baseplate just locking in and sliding gives you more motive to pop out or get a good shuv out.

I get slide marks on my thunder plates but no real lock in like when I tried ace's
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on August 23, 2017, 06:17:26 AM
Experiencing a weird, "feels like different set-up every time you step on your board" phase atm, but I've gone back to stock Thunders and want to stick with it as it was working for a long time, maybe I just need new bushings, but that's how it starts...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 23, 2017, 12:20:44 PM
Thanks for the replies on the thunders and riser compatibility. I'm gonna go with the hard plastic ones, I don't like the rubber. Does anyone also know the height of thunder hi's with the forged baseplate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on August 23, 2017, 12:26:46 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 23, 2017, 12:20:44 PM
Thanks for the replies on the thunders and riser compatibility. I'm gonna go with the hard plastic ones, I don't like the rubber. Does anyone also know the height of thunder hi's with the forged baseplate?

just be careful not to tighten your hardware too much or those hard risers will crack like an egg after a session or two like what happened to me.

I don't know the exact height but I feel like the Forged thunder baseplates on an 1/8" riser is like the perfect height for thunders. Cast plates w/ risers are a tad too high and they're OK without them but for whatever reason that forged w/ riser combo is like that sweet spot for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on August 23, 2017, 05:43:58 PM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on August 23, 2017, 06:17:26 AM
Experiencing a weird, "feels like different set-up every time you step on your board" phase atm, but I've gone back to stock Thunders and want to stick with it as it was working for a long time, maybe I just need new bushings, but that's how it starts...


i really wanted to skate stock thunders but the bushings are TOO soft for my liking. I was a big fan of the Bones hardcore bushings until i noticed they caused the pivot cups to crack after a 6 months. I switched to the aftermarket thunders 95s and they work perfect
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 23, 2017, 06:15:23 PM
Quote from: fulfillthedream on August 23, 2017, 05:43:58 PM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on August 23, 2017, 06:17:26 AM
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Experiencing a weird, "feels like different set-up every time you step on your board" phase atm, but I've gone back to stock Thunders and want to stick with it as it was working for a long time, maybe I just need new bushings, but that's how it starts...
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i really wanted to skate stock thunders but the bushings are TOO soft for my liking. I was a big fan of the Bones hardcore bushings until i noticed they caused the pivot cups to crack after a 6 months. I switched to the aftermarket thunders 95s and they work perfect

About the same for me, I can ride them stock bushings but I tighten til 1.5 threads are exposed to get that medium tight I like but damn those 94a/95a thunder aftermarkets are good! Three them in and only had to go about a thread exposed for the perfect tightness and it has my pop and flip tricks with so much more control. Nollie heel started flipping way more consistently with the harder duro
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 24, 2017, 07:16:56 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on August 23, 2017, 12:26:46 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 23, 2017, 12:20:44 PM
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Thanks for the replies on the thunders and riser compatibility. I'm gonna go with the hard plastic ones, I don't like the rubber. Does anyone also know the height of thunder hi's with the forged baseplate?
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just be careful not to tighten your hardware too much or those hard risers will crack like an egg after a session or two like what happened to me.

I don't know the exact height but I feel like the Forged thunder baseplates on an 1/8" riser is like the perfect height for thunders. Cast plates w/ risers are a tad too high and they're OK without them but for whatever reason that forged w/ riser combo is like that sweet spot for me.

Dang, I hope they don't break on me. I really don't like the rubber ones because they make my board have a damp sound and feel and it drives me nuts.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 25, 2017, 06:00:39 PM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on August 23, 2017, 06:17:26 AM
Experiencing a weird, "feels like different set-up every time you step on your board" phase atm, but I've gone back to stock Thunders and want to stick with it as it was working for a long time, maybe I just need new bushings, but that's how it starts...

Been off the board for a couple of weeks for real skating, but have cruised around a few times (severely sprained or fractured big left toe due to my chain popping off at high speed on a beach ride, fucking sucked). Anyway, being off for that long, I jumped on a few setups to trick around on, 8.25" thunder bones softs and aces with krux, aces felt way better; swapped the thunders for forged indys w/bones medium bottoms, soft tops aaaand..the indys felt like old comfy shoes...

Tried skating the thunders but (as usual) just couldn't get them dialed...guess I'm just an indy person?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 26, 2017, 03:56:44 PM
So I just got done skating Thunder titanium 149's with 1/8" Thunder risers underneath. For being 210lbs I didn't get the wheelbite I thought I would, probably because I'm using the hard conical aftermarket Indy bushings in them. I had to take the top washer off to get them to turn though, and even then it really didn't feel much quicker than Indy at all. Also, for being the same type of aluminum as Indy and Venture, the grinds were ridiculously sticky on these trucks. My Indy titaniums grind smooth and never stick. I feel like I've hit a wall with truck nerdery now and it bums me out. Nothing can turn as good as Ace yet have the durability of a forged baseplate. I don't know where to turn and I need the support of you fellow truck addicts.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 26, 2017, 04:39:12 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 26, 2017, 03:56:44 PM
So I just got done skating Thunder titanium 149's with 1/8" Thunder risers underneath. For being 210lbs I didn't get the wheelbite I thought I would, probably because I'm using the hard conical aftermarket Indy bushings in them. I had to take the top washer off to get them to turn though, and even then it really didn't feel much quicker than Indy at all. Also, for being the same type of aluminum as Indy and Venture, the grinds were ridiculously sticky on these trucks. My Indy titaniums grind smooth and never stick. I feel like I've hit a wall with truck nerdery now and it bums me out. Nothing can turn as good as Ace yet have the durability of a forged baseplate. I don't know where to turn and I need the support of you fellow truck addicts.
At least you aren't here...
(http://i.imgur.com/yemGmMO.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 26, 2017, 07:08:48 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 26, 2017, 03:56:44 PM
So I just got done skating Thunder titanium 149's with 1/8" Thunder risers underneath. For being 210lbs I didn't get the wheelbite I thought I would, probably because I'm using the hard conical aftermarket Indy bushings in them. I had to take the top washer off to get them to turn though, and even then it really didn't feel much quicker than Indy at all. Also, for being the same type of aluminum as Indy and Venture, the grinds were ridiculously sticky on these trucks. My Indy titaniums grind smooth and never stick. I feel like I've hit a wall with truck nerdery now and it bums me out. Nothing can turn as good as Ace yet have the durability of a forged baseplate. I don't know where to turn and I need the support of you fellow truck addicts.

Either stick with indy TI forged and stick with hard bottom conicals and swap to soft tops (I'm back on indy forged hollows with bones med bottom/soft tops, riptide pivots cups) and it's the only way I can get them to feel close enough to turny aces with the <almost> height of thunders. I need bones in them as the rebound is much faster than say, indy conicals.

Have you tried Ventures?

I want the grind of Krux, height and pop of thunders (cast plates), weight of TI Thunders and turn of ACE, and hell throw in the extended base plated of Ventures ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 26, 2017, 08:22:16 PM
After giving up on finding the right truck and setup for sometime I think just knowing these 2 preferences will help you get out of the loop,

-find the tightness you like your trucks, like the REAL tightness where you are confident in doing tricks and ollieing over stuff knowing your board won't rocket or leave your feet. I discovered I like my trucks tightish and everything got so easy, getting my nose manual and nollie heels more consistent

-find the right height, it might not be as critical but for me I prefer my trucks like a mid or between mid and low cause you get a faster tail hitting the ground feel, some people want to feel levitated and that's all you. But if your trucks are the right tightness and height I guarantee it'll just get you back to pure skating and no thoughts about your setup

Everyone's probably gonna say the right bushings and all that but really I think depending on how truly truly tight you like your trucks then you can consider bushings cause I feel you can skate stock bushings on any trucks with any tightness it's just aftermarkets are more suited for your preference is all(I like tighter trucks so harder duro is gonna work better than having a medium and cranking it just to be able to turn a little more but lose some board control), I like the stock thunders but the after market harder ones just work better cause I don't have to expose as many threads tightening and the bushings don't wear and break as fast( the stock Softs kept getting soft again from the wear in only a few session and the tops were cracking)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on August 26, 2017, 09:15:31 PM
Quote from: rob on August 26, 2017, 08:22:16 PM
... cause I feel you can skate stock bushings on any trucks with any tightness it's just aftermarkets are more suited for your preference is all(I like tighter trucks so harder duro is gonna work better than having a medium and cranking it ...

This is from Andrew Reynolds' Instagram feed recently

(http://i.imgur.com/sXlnMGf.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on August 26, 2017, 09:19:28 PM
Quote from: full of jerks on August 26, 2017, 09:15:31 PM
Quote from: rob on August 26, 2017, 08:22:16 PM
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... cause I feel you can skate stock bushings on any trucks with any tightness it's just aftermarkets are more suited for your preference is all(I like tighter trucks so harder duro is gonna work better than having a medium and cranking it ...
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This is from Andrew Reynolds' Instagram feed recently

(http://i.imgur.com/sXlnMGf.jpg)

Does this mean that reynolds is potentially cranking?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 27, 2017, 07:31:02 AM
Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on August 26, 2017, 09:19:28 PM
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... cause I feel you can skate stock bushings on any trucks with any tightness it's just aftermarkets are more suited for your preference is all(I like tighter trucks so harder duro is gonna work better than having a medium and cranking it ...
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This is from Andrew Reynolds' Instagram feed recently

(http://i.imgur.com/sXlnMGf.jpg)
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He's clearly shaving, not cranking.
Does this mean that reynolds is potentially cranking?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 27, 2017, 01:04:16 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 26, 2017, 03:56:44 PM
So I just got done skating Thunder titanium 149's with 1/8" Thunder risers underneath. For being 210lbs I didn't get the wheelbite I thought I would, probably because I'm using the hard conical aftermarket Indy bushings in them. I had to take the top washer off to get them to turn though, and even then it really didn't feel much quicker than Indy at all. Also, for being the same type of aluminum as Indy and Venture, the grinds were ridiculously sticky on these trucks. My Indy titaniums grind smooth and never stick. I feel like I've hit a wall with truck nerdery now and it bums me out. Nothing can turn as good as Ace yet have the durability of a forged baseplate. I don't know where to turn and I need the support of you fellow truck addicts.

It's been at least a couple weeks so.......

Theeve? 

I think Indy is the correct answer and nothing will ever turn like an Ace....Indy is the next best thing and they don't make your wheelbase shorter.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 27, 2017, 01:35:29 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 27, 2017, 01:04:16 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 26, 2017, 03:56:44 PM
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So I just got done skating Thunder titanium 149's with 1/8" Thunder risers underneath. For being 210lbs I didn't get the wheelbite I thought I would, probably because I'm using the hard conical aftermarket Indy bushings in them. I had to take the top washer off to get them to turn though, and even then it really didn't feel much quicker than Indy at all. Also, for being the same type of aluminum as Indy and Venture, the grinds were ridiculously sticky on these trucks. My Indy titaniums grind smooth and never stick. I feel like I've hit a wall with truck nerdery now and it bums me out. Nothing can turn as good as Ace yet have the durability of a forged baseplate. I don't know where to turn and I need the support of you fellow truck addicts.
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It's been at least a couple weeks so.......

Theeve? 

I think Indy is the correct answer and nothing will ever turn like an Ace....Indy is the next best thing and they don't make your wheelbase shorter.....

Theeve are cast and they never came out with the forged plate they were going to make; I still preferred the V2 design, hanger looked like ACE and I swear they turned better than the Theeve V3.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 27, 2017, 06:09:16 PM
Yeah I was just thinking how they turned....I skate old tih's and they are all slimmed down like aces...I like how they turn....a little nuts but not ACE nuts....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 27, 2017, 06:22:09 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 27, 2017, 06:09:16 PM
Yeah I was just thinking how they turned....I skate old tih's and they are all slimmed down like aces...I like how they turn....a little nuts but not ACE nuts....

Makes me think of the old insta pic from waaaaaaay back when theeve was running ACE plates on early prototypes ;P

I just sold off my 8.18" tihs (got them on sale at about half off and sold them above retail on ebay) and they definitely turned better that the last pair of TiKings I had (which I could never get turny enough).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 27, 2017, 10:32:20 PM
Don't put it past me to get some magnesium ace baseplates....could be a big improvement...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Master of slams on August 27, 2017, 11:02:30 PM
Life is Hard after riding Ace 44s and having to revert back to indys. Any suggestions for bushings on indy 149s? I tried aftermarket indys, but they kinda sucked or I just wasn't patient enough. Bones mediums turn nice, but they crumble in a week or so (I weight close to 220lbs/100kg)...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on August 28, 2017, 04:54:58 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 27, 2017, 10:32:20 PM
Don't put it past me to get some magnesium ace baseplates....could be a big improvement...

This combo ruined my life. I've tried to go back to indys after because I've always considered myself an Indy guy, but goddamn the ace 44 with magplates is near perfect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 28, 2017, 10:27:54 AM
Quote from: Deekay on August 28, 2017, 04:54:58 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 27, 2017, 10:32:20 PM
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Don't put it past me to get some magnesium ace baseplates....could be a big improvement...
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This combo ruined my life. I've tried to go back to indys after because I've always considered myself an Indy guy, but goddamn the ace 44 with magplates is near perfect.

I'm a weight whore, ACE cast plates are not the end of the world tho!

That said, it is a shame ACE won't make them anymore but I get it, they're too small of a company with an even smaller userbase to warrant making tiaxle, hollow king pins and forged/mag plates. =( If only!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on August 28, 2017, 12:37:42 PM
Quote from: Xen on August 28, 2017, 10:27:54 AM
Quote from: Deekay on August 28, 2017, 04:54:58 AM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on August 27, 2017, 10:32:20 PM
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Don't put it past me to get some magnesium ace baseplates....could be a big improvement...
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This combo ruined my life. I've tried to go back to indys after because I've always considered myself an Indy guy, but goddamn the ace 44 with magplates is near perfect.
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I'm a weight whore, ACE cast plates are not the end of the world tho!

That said, it is a shame ACE won't make them anymore but I get it, they're too small of a company with an even smaller userbase to warrant making tiaxle, hollow king pins and forged/mag plates. =( If only!

I don't really fuck with the hollow stuff anyway and the weight isn't really a big concern of mine. I just like it for the aesthetic, the nice matte black finish and just knowing it's there really...

It's like wearing a nice watch or something but for your setup, it doesn't really make that much of a difference but you feel good about it anyway. I'm trying to get ahold of another set.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 28, 2017, 04:24:00 PM
Quote from: Deekay on August 28, 2017, 12:37:42 PM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on August 27, 2017, 10:32:20 PM
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Don't put it past me to get some magnesium ace baseplates....could be a big improvement...
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This combo ruined my life. I've tried to go back to indys after because I've always considered myself an Indy guy, but goddamn the ace 44 with magplates is near perfect.
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I'm a weight whore, ACE cast plates are not the end of the world tho!

That said, it is a shame ACE won't make them anymore but I get it, they're too small of a company with an even smaller userbase to warrant making tiaxle, hollow king pins and forged/mag plates. =( If only!
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I don't really fuck with the hollow stuff anyway and the weight isn't really a big concern of mine. I just like it for the aesthetic, the nice matte black finish and just knowing it's there really...

It's like wearing a nice watch or something but for your setup, it doesn't really make that much of a difference but you feel good about it anyway. I'm trying to get ahold of another set.

My set are getting pretty beat up (park only and mainly bowls) - I'd love another set.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vitriol on August 28, 2017, 06:04:05 PM
Hey I don't know how as they were supposed to be history, but it seems native skate store has a few pairs of ace mag plates in.
Well the bad news is they are in the UK.
Anyway someone buy them all so I don't have to : it's really tempting but I can't justify paying that much to shave a few grams... or can I?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 28, 2017, 08:09:01 PM
Quote from: Vitriol on August 28, 2017, 06:04:05 PM
Hey I don't know how as they were supposed to be history, but it seems native skate store has a few pairs of ace mag plates in.
Well the bad news is they are in the UK.
Anyway someone buy them all so I don't have to : it's really tempting but I can't justify paying that much to shave a few grams... or can I?

Not at $46.53 (including shipping to the US) you can't...well....maybe you can ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 29, 2017, 09:58:12 PM
I set up my extra set of stage 7's with krux pins and I'm gonna ride these out till I reach the axle. One truck is like 4-5mm wider on the hanger than the other one I noticed. What would you guys do? Put the wider one up front since the nose is bigger? What would SLAP pals do?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Pigeon on August 29, 2017, 10:03:38 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 29, 2017, 09:58:12 PM
I set up my extra set of stage 7's with krux pins and I'm gonna ride these out till I reach the axle. One truck is like 4-5mm wider on the hanger than the other one I noticed. What would you guys do? Put the wider one up front since the nose is bigger? What would SLAP pals do?
wider one on the front bolts...you lucky bastard.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on August 30, 2017, 01:26:44 AM
Quote from: Pigeon on August 29, 2017, 10:03:38 PM
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I set up my extra set of stage 7's with krux pins and I'm gonna ride these out till I reach the axle. One truck is like 4-5mm wider on the hanger than the other one I noticed. What would you guys do? Put the wider one up front since the nose is bigger? What would SLAP pals do?
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wider one on the front bolts...you lucky bastard.

ha there was someone on here selling a lotta sets of the stage 7s and 8s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 30, 2017, 08:17:25 AM
^ yeah I bought two out of four sets of stage 7's from him. He was a super nice dude and hooked it up with all sorts of pivot cups and bushings as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 30, 2017, 08:20:24 AM
Aren't they commonly narrow sizes though? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on August 30, 2017, 04:50:16 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 26, 2017, 04:39:12 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 26, 2017, 03:56:44 PM
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So I just got done skating Thunder titanium 149's with 1/8" Thunder risers underneath. For being 210lbs I didn't get the wheelbite I thought I would, probably because I'm using the hard conical aftermarket Indy bushings in them. I had to take the top washer off to get them to turn though, and even then it really didn't feel much quicker than Indy at all. Also, for being the same type of aluminum as Indy and Venture, the grinds were ridiculously sticky on these trucks. My Indy titaniums grind smooth and never stick. I feel like I've hit a wall with truck nerdery now and it bums me out. Nothing can turn as good as Ace yet have the durability of a forged baseplate. I don't know where to turn and I need the support of you fellow truck addicts.
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At least you aren't here...
(http://i.imgur.com/yemGmMO.jpg?1)
never seen that combo before. i wanted thunder base plates with venture hangers, never did it though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 30, 2017, 07:03:44 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 30, 2017, 08:20:24 AM
Aren't they commonly narrow sizes though? 

136, 146, and onward. Just a few mm less than newer stages.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on August 31, 2017, 06:55:39 PM
As much as I love my unicorn Ventures I finally got the chance to skate some Theeves again. A couple weeks ago I ordered some 5.85 Tiax's that were on sale with the intention of upgrading them, but i broke the baseplate trying to install their hollow titanium kingpin so I had to have them send me some pre-installed replacements. Took a while to get to me but I got my TiKings now and am stoked to try them out. Gonna go work on some grinds all morning tomorrow. I'm hoping these are like a sweet spot between the sharp turning & pop of Thunders with the stability & grindability of Ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oneOone on September 01, 2017, 07:49:07 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 26, 2017, 04:39:12 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 26, 2017, 03:56:44 PM
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So I just got done skating Thunder titanium 149's with 1/8" Thunder risers underneath. For being 210lbs I didn't get the wheelbite I thought I would, probably because I'm using the hard conical aftermarket Indy bushings in them. I had to take the top washer off to get them to turn though, and even then it really didn't feel much quicker than Indy at all. Also, for being the same type of aluminum as Indy and Venture, the grinds were ridiculously sticky on these trucks. My Indy titaniums grind smooth and never stick. I feel like I've hit a wall with truck nerdery now and it bums me out. Nothing can turn as good as Ace yet have the durability of a forged baseplate. I don't know where to turn and I need the support of you fellow truck addicts.
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At least you aren't here...
(http://i.imgur.com/yemGmMO.jpg?1)

Haha did the same, but with Bones Bushings it seems the bottom one did not fit 100%, never skated it.

Tried Venture V-Hollow Lighs Low 5,25 (48MM height) vs. Thunder Titanium 147 HI (50MM height) on the same Deck skating flat. The Venture Hangar is shifted a little bit more to the Nose/Tail and extends the wheelbase minimal.
I skated the Thunders for almost 3 years prior.
I noticed nearly no difference. Stability wise it felt a little bit more comfortable on the Ventures but with the Thunders I felt the pop was snappier and it flipped a little bit easier, could be the weight, Ventures are about 0,10lbs (45G) heavier each truck.
Switched back to the Thunders for now but might skate the Ventures anytime soon.

Only strange thing when I switched back to Thunders I had troubles doing Frontside Flips at first which worked perfect on the Ventures.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on September 01, 2017, 08:05:43 AM
Anyone have that link for that slightly shady website that sells spare truck parts? Have seen it here somewhere but cannot find it anymore...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gumi on September 03, 2017, 04:58:19 AM
Quote from: Vitriol on August 28, 2017, 06:04:05 PM
Hey I don't know how as they were supposed to be history, but it seems native skate store has a few pairs of ace mag plates in.
Well the bad news is they are in the UK.
Anyway someone buy them all so I don't have to : it's really tempting but I can't justify paying that much to shave a few grams... or can I?

Thanks man I live in England and have been waiting to get so magnesiums forever, G shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on September 04, 2017, 08:16:40 AM
new deck comes in tomorrow thought i'd clean my trucks up a bit and realised i have a crack in the fucking hanger, just normal thunder 149 hi team trucks.

(http://i.imgur.com/MsPnoxA.jpg)

cant tell if it's just a surface crack or if shits fucked, still gonna ride it till it falls off cus it couldve been like that for months and i'd have no idea. kinda surprised it's on the front since the only front grinds i can do are nosegrinds and shoddy crooks, was expecting it to eventually give out on the back truck tranny groove.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on September 04, 2017, 03:44:25 PM
Two 3-4 hour sessions in, and I've really been digging my Theeve's so far. I've gotten a couple personal NBD's each session (mostly grinds) and since I already kind of broke in the bushings before skating them, they were good to go from the jump. They've got that sharp turning & quick pop I like but still have excellent stability on hard landings and the oval yolk minimizes wheelbite by tucking the wheels inward to avoid the deck. Grind like a beast too. They really gotta step up their marketing game & maybe add some fresh faces to the team or something because they deserve to be a lot more popular than they currently are IMO.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on September 04, 2017, 09:22:41 PM
Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on August 26, 2017, 09:19:28 PM
Quote from: full of jerks on August 26, 2017, 09:15:31 PM
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Quote from: rob on August 26, 2017, 08:22:16 PM
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... cause I feel you can skate stock bushings on any trucks with any tightness it's just aftermarkets are more suited for your preference is all(I like tighter trucks so harder duro is gonna work better than having a medium and cranking it ...
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This is from Andrew Reynolds' Instagram feed recently

(http://i.imgur.com/sXlnMGf.jpg)
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Does this mean that reynolds is potentially cranking?
Isn's Reynolds known for having super tight trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lamfordie on September 04, 2017, 10:08:24 PM
Anyone know how I can get more of the white thunder bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on September 04, 2017, 10:54:48 PM
Quote from: lamfordie on September 04, 2017, 10:08:24 PM
Anyone know how I can get more of the white thunder bushings?

I would give you my white bushings, but I need to buy harder ones first.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spaghetti Croc69 on September 05, 2017, 09:33:02 AM
Quote from: Master of slams on August 27, 2017, 11:02:30 PM
Life is Hard after riding Ace 44s and having to revert back to indys. Any suggestions for bushings on indy 149s? I tried aftermarket indys, but they kinda sucked or I just wasn't patient enough. Bones mediums turn nice, but they crumble in a week or so (I weight close to 220lbs/100kg)...

Been looking for an alternative to the bones hardcore mediums for awhile now. They feel perfect without the washer but replacing bushing every few weeks is annoying as shit. Been wanting to try some venoms but havent gone for it yet. Im afraid of change   :-\ Anyone here skate venoms or anything else? loose truck ppl help me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on September 05, 2017, 09:58:55 AM
Quote from: lamfordie on September 04, 2017, 10:08:24 PM
Anyone know how I can get more of the white thunder bushings?

http://www.tactics.com/thunder/skate-bushing-tube-2-truck-set (http://www.tactics.com/thunder/skate-bushing-tube-2-truck-set)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gumi on September 06, 2017, 04:50:34 AM
Quote from: Spaghetti Croc69 on September 05, 2017, 09:33:02 AM
Quote from: Master of slams on August 27, 2017, 11:02:30 PM
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Life is Hard after riding Ace 44s and having to revert back to indys. Any suggestions for bushings on indy 149s? I tried aftermarket indys, but they kinda sucked or I just wasn't patient enough. Bones mediums turn nice, but they crumble in a week or so (I weight close to 220lbs/100kg)...
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Been looking for an alternative to the bones hardcore mediums for awhile now. They feel perfect without the washer but replacing bushing every few weeks is annoying as shit. Been wanting to try some venoms but havent gone for it yet. Im afraid of change   :-\ Anyone here skate venoms or anything else? loose truck ppl help me


indy aftermarket bushings are the best by far
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Clock3rs on September 06, 2017, 06:07:52 AM
Yo, new to the forum, because of some issues with my Krupp K4's.

Bought them like 1 1/2 years ago and the pivot cups are so worn out that I cannot even call them loose anymore. Right now they just wobble uncontrollably.

Problem is, that I cannot find any fitting pivots for the trucks, as most cups are either too bright or too small. Talked with a few friends and some of them seemed to have the same problem back when they rode krux. I hate changing my trucks, money wise and because I dislike riding new trucks. Anybody has a brand or whatsoever for me that fits Krux K4's?

Thanks in advance!



ALSO: Any advices for bushings? Used to ride bones bushings mediums, the yellow ones, but they seem to get cheaper and cheaper. Not buying another pair that lasts not longer than a month.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on September 06, 2017, 06:58:34 AM
Just buy the krux bushings set and it comes with the pivot cups.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Clock3rs on September 06, 2017, 07:15:38 AM
Quote from: Cherb on September 06, 2017, 06:58:34 AM
Just buy the krux bushings set and it comes with the pivot cups.

Shit! I didn't know that. Thanks, man
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 06, 2017, 08:15:52 AM
Quote from: Spaghetti Croc69 on September 05, 2017, 09:33:02 AM
Quote from: Master of slams on August 27, 2017, 11:02:30 PM
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Life is Hard after riding Ace 44s and having to revert back to indys. Any suggestions for bushings on indy 149s? I tried aftermarket indys, but they kinda sucked or I just wasn't patient enough. Bones mediums turn nice, but they crumble in a week or so (I weight close to 220lbs/100kg)...
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Been looking for an alternative to the bones hardcore mediums for awhile now. They feel perfect without the washer but replacing bushing every few weeks is annoying as shit. Been wanting to try some venoms but havent gone for it yet. Im afraid of change   :-\ Anyone here skate venoms or anything else? loose truck ppl help me


I hate to say it....but if I were you I'd dip into some longboard shit.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on September 06, 2017, 08:18:41 AM
no need for barefoot mongo bushings.

149s with indy 88a conicals. break them in and its as good as ace 44s with krux bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on September 06, 2017, 12:47:08 PM
Quote from: Clock3rs on September 06, 2017, 07:15:38 AM
Quote from: Cherb on September 06, 2017, 06:58:34 AM
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Just buy the krux bushings set and it comes with the pivot cups.
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Shit! I didn't know that. Thanks, man
No problem fran.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 06, 2017, 04:24:35 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 06, 2017, 08:15:52 AM
Quote from: Spaghetti Croc69 on September 05, 2017, 09:33:02 AM
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Quote from: Master of slams on August 27, 2017, 11:02:30 PM
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Life is Hard after riding Ace 44s and having to revert back to indys. Any suggestions for bushings on indy 149s? I tried aftermarket indys, but they kinda sucked or I just wasn't patient enough. Bones mediums turn nice, but they crumble in a week or so (I weight close to 220lbs/100kg)...
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Been looking for an alternative to the bones hardcore mediums for awhile now. They feel perfect without the washer but replacing bushing every few weeks is annoying as shit. Been wanting to try some venoms but havent gone for it yet. Im afraid of change   :-\ Anyone here skate venoms or anything else? loose truck ppl help me

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I hate to say it....but if I were you I'd dip into some longboard shit.....

Or pick up bones hards if you are shredding mediums in under a week
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on September 07, 2017, 02:06:35 AM
Has anyone had experience with destructos?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on September 07, 2017, 02:38:25 AM
^Homie who rides for Antiz got few sets of those Antiz x Destructo trucks couple of years ago, don't know what model those were. What I remember trying those out they felt like lower indys, with little less turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on September 07, 2017, 02:43:56 AM
Quote from: rob on September 07, 2017, 02:06:35 AM
Has anyone had experience with destructos?

I have, some years ago. I had multiple destructos as this was the only option available locally but at that time  (around 2007) I was into skating smaller decks/trucks. I had no issues, the axle wouldn't slip much and when I had ground enough metal off they would snap on the hanger. No bells and whistles, nothing amazing turn-wise. No problems either. The slipping axle thing is a major let down by humanity. We can fly to the moon but the major truck companies produce trucks with slipping axles. In the last 2 years I have gone through 3 sets of thunders hollow lights that all had axle slip from the first day skating flat, one set of thunders lights that had axle slip 3 sessions in and a hand me down set of royals that were the worst trucks I ever had (in every aspect) and also had major axle slip. With the destructos the axle slip was not ever increasing. The axle would slip to an extent and then it would just keep slipping between that margin. It seems that all I rant over is how I don't like axle slip but I just wanted to point out that a shitty and simple truck can be ok as long as it does not have devastating flaws.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on September 07, 2017, 03:56:14 AM
Very very interesting...

Thanks for the feedback guys cause I been thinking to try a set but need to make some money first, the struggle now is deciding whether to get the 8" or 8.25", flipability or stability

I'm gonna post my almost unused ace 44 raw with the .38 nuts in classified if anyone's interested so I can get closer to getting those destructos haha

I haven't grinded on them and they're almost brand new I just couldn't get use to the height and Geo so they've been laying around the last 4 months I've had them

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spaghetti Croc69 on September 07, 2017, 06:03:15 AM
Quote from: gumi on September 06, 2017, 04:50:34 AM


indy aftermarket bushings are the best by far

Tried a set of the softs. Way too hard for me. Going to see about sanding them down a bit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 07, 2017, 07:20:04 AM
Quote from: rob on September 07, 2017, 02:06:35 AM
Has anyone had experience with destructos?

Let it goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on September 07, 2017, 10:31:31 AM
fucking kingpin snapped, tried to smack the remainder out with the other snapped half and now thats stuck too, any ideas? got em baking in the oven right now hopefully thatll work

disregard that got the fucker out

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on September 07, 2017, 12:52:29 PM
Quote from: rob on September 07, 2017, 03:56:14 AM
I'm gonna post my almost unused ace 44 raw with the .38 nuts in classified if anyone's interested so I can get closer to getting those destructos haha

very interested
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on September 08, 2017, 03:06:40 AM
lets say im a dickhead and accidentally ordered a hex kingpin instead of a splined one for thunders, can i just smash it in and hope for the best so i can proceed with skating this weekend or suck it up order a splined one and wait until next weekend to skate
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on September 08, 2017, 07:50:47 AM
(http://i66.tinypic.com/9rhbn9.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 08, 2017, 05:06:29 PM
Quote from: VCR on September 08, 2017, 07:50:47 AM
(http://i66.tinypic.com/9rhbn9.png)

Where is that new snazzy lockinto nose/tail slide baseplate? ;)

Also, seeing the 1MM higher! in print makes it all seam silly
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gumi on September 09, 2017, 05:42:45 AM
Too many trucks too many many trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on September 09, 2017, 09:51:17 PM
Quote from: gumi on September 09, 2017, 05:42:45 AM
Too many trucks too many many trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on September 10, 2017, 12:24:37 AM
Randomly stumbled across this image tonight.

Maybe this is the hot setup for Thunders.

Did anybody actually see the bottom of Tiago Lemos' board?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_KfXF1wWJdo/Tk34Cdc9bbI/AAAAAAAAA5U/jDBZtJ1Alkw/s1600/4156.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on September 10, 2017, 12:33:15 AM
Quote from: full of jerks on September 10, 2017, 12:24:37 AM
Randomly stumbled across this image tonight.

Maybe this is the hot setup for Thunders.

Did anybody actually see the bottom of Tiago Lemos' board?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_KfXF1wWJdo/Tk34Cdc9bbI/AAAAAAAAA5U/jDBZtJ1Alkw/s1600/4156.jpg)

That looks like something Zarosh would do
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Master of slams on September 10, 2017, 03:08:42 AM
Quote from: full of jerks on September 10, 2017, 12:24:37 AM
Randomly stumbled across this image tonight.

Maybe this is the hot setup for Thunders.

Did anybody actually see the bottom of Tiago Lemos' board?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_KfXF1wWJdo/Tk34Cdc9bbI/AAAAAAAAA5U/jDBZtJ1Alkw/s1600/4156.jpg)

Is it me or does that hanger look slimmer than the normal stage 11?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on September 10, 2017, 04:42:48 AM
Quote from: Master of slams on September 10, 2017, 03:08:42 AM
Quote from: full of jerks on September 10, 2017, 12:24:37 AM
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Randomly stumbled across this image tonight.

Maybe this is the hot setup for Thunders.

Did anybody actually see the bottom of Tiago Lemos' board?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_KfXF1wWJdo/Tk34Cdc9bbI/AAAAAAAAA5U/jDBZtJ1Alkw/s1600/4156.jpg)
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Is it me or does that hanger look slimmer than the normal stage 11?
At first look I thought it was thunder hanger on indy baseplate... something weird is going on there.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 10, 2017, 08:58:30 AM
Looks like a 215 hangar.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on September 10, 2017, 10:14:40 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 10, 2017, 08:58:30 AM
Looks like a 215 hangar.
Yeah, after google it is most likely 215, have never seen them before.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Pigeon on September 10, 2017, 11:42:11 AM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  link=topic=88869.msg2684949#msg2684949 date=1505043768
Quote from: Master of slams on September 10, 2017, 03:08:42 AM
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Quote from: full of jerks on September 10, 2017, 12:24:37 AM
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Randomly stumbled across this image tonight.

Maybe this is the hot setup for Thunders.

Did anybody actually see the bottom of Tiago Lemos' board?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_KfXF1wWJdo/Tk34Cdc9bbI/AAAAAAAAA5U/jDBZtJ1Alkw/s1600/4156.jpg)
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Is it me or does that hanger look slimmer than the normal stage 11?
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At first look I thought it was thunder hanger on indy baseplate... something weird is going on there.
The fuck...what advantage is there to using bearings instead of risers?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on September 10, 2017, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: Pigeon on September 10, 2017, 11:42:11 AM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  link=topic=88869.msg2684949#msg2684949 date=1505043768
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Quote from: Master of slams on September 10, 2017, 03:08:42 AM
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Quote from: full of jerks on September 10, 2017, 12:24:37 AM
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Randomly stumbled across this image tonight.

Maybe this is the hot setup for Thunders.

Did anybody actually see the bottom of Tiago Lemos' board?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_KfXF1wWJdo/Tk34Cdc9bbI/AAAAAAAAA5U/jDBZtJ1Alkw/s1600/4156.jpg)
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Is it me or does that hanger look slimmer than the normal stage 11?
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At first look I thought it was thunder hanger on indy baseplate... something weird is going on there.
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The fuck...what advantage is there to using bearings instead of risers?

The only thing I can think of is smoother tail/noseslides?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dr. Octagon on September 10, 2017, 01:08:15 PM
Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on September 10, 2017, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: Pigeon on September 10, 2017, 11:42:11 AM
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Quote from: Krooked antihero  link=topic=88869.msg2684949#msg2684949 date=1505043768
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Quote from: Master of slams on September 10, 2017, 03:08:42 AM
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Quote from: full of jerks on September 10, 2017, 12:24:37 AM
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Randomly stumbled across this image tonight.

Maybe this is the hot setup for Thunders.

Did anybody actually see the bottom of Tiago Lemos' board?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_KfXF1wWJdo/Tk34Cdc9bbI/AAAAAAAAA5U/jDBZtJ1Alkw/s1600/4156.jpg)
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Is it me or does that hanger look slimmer than the normal stage 11?
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At first look I thought it was thunder hanger on indy baseplate... something weird is going on there.
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The fuck...what advantage is there to using bearings instead of risers?
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The only thing I can think of is smoother tail/noseslides?

this is some wacky shit. probably the only way to make those super long nose/tailslides work. I hope they start making all sizes of Indy's with that thinner hanger they use for 215's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gumi on September 10, 2017, 04:58:21 PM
Quote from: Dr. Octagon on September 10, 2017, 01:08:15 PM
Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on September 10, 2017, 11:55:46 AM
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Quote from: Pigeon on September 10, 2017, 11:42:11 AM
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Quote from: Krooked antihero  link=topic=88869.msg2684949#msg2684949 date=1505043768
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Quote from: Master of slams on September 10, 2017, 03:08:42 AM
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Quote from: full of jerks on September 10, 2017, 12:24:37 AM
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Randomly stumbled across this image tonight.

Maybe this is the hot setup for Thunders.

Did anybody actually see the bottom of Tiago Lemos' board?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_KfXF1wWJdo/Tk34Cdc9bbI/AAAAAAAAA5U/jDBZtJ1Alkw/s1600/4156.jpg)
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Is it me or does that hanger look slimmer than the normal stage 11?
[close]
At first look I thought it was thunder hanger on indy baseplate... something weird is going on there.
[close]
The fuck...what advantage is there to using bearings instead of risers?
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The only thing I can think of is smoother tail/noseslides?
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this is some wacky shit. probably the only way to make those super long nose/tailslides work. I hope they start making all sizes of Indy's with that thinner hanger they use for 215's.

Just skate aces
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on September 10, 2017, 06:43:06 PM
Isn't that Zarosh's set-up?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NowhereInLife on September 10, 2017, 07:31:29 PM
Quote from: Xen on September 08, 2017, 05:06:29 PM
Quote from: VCR on September 08, 2017, 07:50:47 AM
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(http://i66.tinypic.com/9rhbn9.png)
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Where is that new snazzy lockinto nose/tail slide baseplate? ;)

Also, seeing the 1MM higher! in print makes it all seam silly

yes it's pretty silly...but in the spirit of this psycho thread, what height does that put a 148 team ti at?  ace height?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on September 10, 2017, 07:57:42 PM
Quote from: NowhereInLife on September 10, 2017, 07:31:29 PM
Quote from: Xen on September 08, 2017, 05:06:29 PM
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(http://i66.tinypic.com/9rhbn9.png)
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Where is that new snazzy lockinto nose/tail slide baseplate? ;)

Also, seeing the 1MM higher! in print makes it all seam silly
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yes it's pretty silly...but in the spirit of this psycho thread, what height does that put a 148 team ti at?  ace height?

Doesn't it just put them at regular Thunder High height? Which is still a little lower than Aces.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 10, 2017, 08:31:03 PM
The new 149IIs were 52.3mm + 1mm for cast sooooo....

53.3mm - pretty much the same height as ACEs around 54mm and Indy Forged @ 53.5mm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 10, 2017, 08:35:13 PM
Quote from: gumi on September 10, 2017, 04:58:21 PM
Quote from: Dr. Octagon on September 10, 2017, 01:08:15 PM
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Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on September 10, 2017, 11:55:46 AM
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Quote from: Pigeon on September 10, 2017, 11:42:11 AM
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Quote from: Krooked antihero  on September 10, 2017, 04:42:48 AM
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Quote from: Master of slams on September 10, 2017, 03:08:42 AM
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Quote from: full of jerks on September 10, 2017, 12:24:37 AM
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Randomly stumbled across this image tonight.

Maybe this is the hot setup for Thunders.

Did anybody actually see the bottom of Tiago Lemos' board?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_KfXF1wWJdo/Tk34Cdc9bbI/AAAAAAAAA5U/jDBZtJ1Alkw/s1600/4156.jpg)
[close]

Is it me or does that hanger look slimmer than the normal stage 11?
[close]
At first look I thought it was thunder hanger on indy baseplate... something weird is going on there.
[close]
The fuck...what advantage is there to using bearings instead of risers?
[close]

The only thing I can think of is smoother tail/noseslides?
[close]

this is some wacky shit. probably the only way to make those super long nose/tailslides work. I hope they start making all sizes of Indy's with that thinner hanger they use for 215's.
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Just skate aces

Skating ACEs (v1 or v2 theeves) or 215s cut down and rethreaded is the only way you'll get that sexy trim hanger...it requires a new mold and those don't get made that often.

I doubt Lemos is skating full 215s on a street board, perhaps he got them cut down? Other than weight, not much to gain since the 215s are on stage XI...besides, there's a rail, some fucking rip grip...what decade is this?

 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on September 10, 2017, 09:09:47 PM
Quote from: Xen on September 10, 2017, 08:31:03 PM
The new 149IIs were 52.3mm + 1mm for cast sooooo....

53.3mm - pretty much the same height as ACEs around 54mm and Indy Forged @ 53.5mm

Are you sure it's 52.3 for the forged 149II thunders ? I think it's 52.3 for the regular cast 149II/148II
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on September 10, 2017, 09:11:51 PM
I totally thought that was rip grip right away, then thought "nah that can't be rip grip, its probably just some weird sticker, what kind of lunatic would be rip gripping these days".
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Post by: NowhereInLife on September 10, 2017, 09:16:23 PM
Quote from: Xen on September 10, 2017, 08:31:03 PM
The new 149IIs were 52.3mm + 1mm for cast sooooo....

53.3mm - pretty much the same height as ACEs around 54mm and Indy Forged @ 53.5mm

Good to know, thanks Xen.  


But fuck, I'd been doing so good content with the swerve, but now an unexpected knee comeback has me wanting to set up something crazy light.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on September 10, 2017, 09:18:14 PM
Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on September 10, 2017, 09:11:51 PM
I totally thought that was rip grip right away, then thought "nah that can't be rip grip, its probably just some weird sticker, what kind of lunatic would be rip gripping these days".

I think Navarette does on occasion. that board must most likely belong to Zarosh, and he well and truly still runs some rip grip
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 10, 2017, 09:24:46 PM
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The new 149IIs were 52.3mm + 1mm for cast sooooo....

53.3mm - pretty much the same height as ACEs around 54mm and Indy Forged @ 53.5mm
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Are you sure it's 52.3 for the forged 149II thunders ? I think it's 52.3 for the regular cast 149II/148II

Unless they used a forged image when discussing cast height...who knows..

http://www.thundertrucks.com/newthunder149/img/149II-height.jpg (http://www.thundertrucks.com/newthunder149/img/149II-height.jpg)

(http://www.thundertrucks.com/newthunder149/img/149II-height.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on September 10, 2017, 09:29:55 PM
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I totally thought that was rip grip right away, then thought "nah that can't be rip grip, its probably just some weird sticker, what kind of lunatic would be rip gripping these days".
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I think Navarette does on occasion. that board must most likely belong to Zarosh, and he well and truly still runs some rip grip

Bearings for spacers, slimed down indys, conical bushings, rip grip.. This man should be watched, constantly. >:(

Oh. And a mother fucking STICKER ON THE TRUCK!?!?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on September 11, 2017, 12:40:50 AM
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The new 149IIs were 52.3mm + 1mm for cast sooooo....

53.3mm - pretty much the same height as ACEs around 54mm and Indy Forged @ 53.5mm
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Are you sure it's 52.3 for the forged 149II thunders ? I think it's 52.3 for the regular cast 149II/148II
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Unless they used a forged image when discussing cast height...who knows..

http://www.thundertrucks.com/newthunder149/img/149II-height.jpg (http://www.thundertrucks.com/newthunder149/img/149II-height.jpg)

(http://www.thundertrucks.com/newthunder149/img/149II-height.jpg)

Your right, only one one person can really confirm this and it's Reed. But I trust the image with the forged, do 1/8 riders add 1 or 2 mm to the truck height ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on September 11, 2017, 03:17:12 AM
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The new 149IIs were 52.3mm + 1mm for cast sooooo....

53.3mm - pretty much the same height as ACEs around 54mm and Indy Forged @ 53.5mm
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Are you sure it's 52.3 for the forged 149II thunders ? I think it's 52.3 for the regular cast 149II/148II
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Unless they used a forged image when discussing cast height...who knows..

http://www.thundertrucks.com/newthunder149/img/149II-height.jpg (http://www.thundertrucks.com/newthunder149/img/149II-height.jpg)

(http://www.thundertrucks.com/newthunder149/img/149II-height.jpg)
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Your right, only one one person can really confirm this and it's Reed. But I trust the image with the forged, do 1/8 riders add 1 or 2 mm to the truck height ?

1 in = 25.4 mm
1/8 in = 25.4/8 mm = 3.175 mm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on September 11, 2017, 03:21:05 AM
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The new 149IIs were 52.3mm + 1mm for cast sooooo....

53.3mm - pretty much the same height as ACEs around 54mm and Indy Forged @ 53.5mm
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Are you sure it's 52.3 for the forged 149II thunders ? I think it's 52.3 for the regular cast 149II/148II
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Unless they used a forged image when discussing cast height...who knows..

http://www.thundertrucks.com/newthunder149/img/149II-height.jpg (http://www.thundertrucks.com/newthunder149/img/149II-height.jpg)

(http://www.thundertrucks.com/newthunder149/img/149II-height.jpg)
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Your right, only one one person can really confirm this and it's Reed. But I trust the image with the forged, do 1/8 riders add 1 or 2 mm to the truck height ?
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1 in = 25.4 mm
1/8 in = 25.4/8 mm = 3.175 mm

That's crazy, never realized how much shock pad/risers can add
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on September 11, 2017, 09:43:12 AM
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Randomly stumbled across this image tonight.

Maybe this is the hot setup for Thunders.

Did anybody actually see the bottom of Tiago Lemos' board?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_KfXF1wWJdo/Tk34Cdc9bbI/AAAAAAAAA5U/jDBZtJ1Alkw/s1600/4156.jpg)
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Is it me or does that hanger look slimmer than the normal stage 11?
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At first look I thought it was thunder hanger on indy baseplate... something weird is going on there.
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The fuck...what advantage is there to using bearings instead of risers?
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The only thing I can think of is smoother tail/noseslides?
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this is some wacky shit. probably the only way to make those super long nose/tailslides work. I hope they start making all sizes of Indy's with that thinner hanger they use for 215's.
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Just skate aces
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Skating ACEs (v1 or v2 theeves) or 215s cut down and rethreaded is the only way you'll get that sexy trim hanger...it requires a new mold and those don't get made that often.

I doubt Lemos is skating full 215s on a street board, perhaps he got them cut down? Other than weight, not much to gain since the 215s are on stage XI...besides, there's a rail, some fucking rip grip...what decade is this?

 

Danny Dicola rides cut down 215's all the time, he shows how to do it and talks a little about it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm4V7n6BXHY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm4V7n6BXHY)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Pigeon on September 12, 2017, 10:42:58 AM
^
That's sick, but too much effort for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheLowerBack on September 20, 2017, 03:14:27 PM
Has anybody put aftemarket Indy Low conicals into Thunder Hi's? I have a hard time getting my trucks loose enough without sanding/cutting bushings and I'm tired of the effort.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 20, 2017, 05:35:25 PM
Quote from: TheLowerBack on September 20, 2017, 03:14:27 PM
Has anybody put aftemarket Indy Low conicals into Thunder Hi's? I have a hard time getting my trucks loose enough without sanding/cutting bushings and I'm tired of the effort.

Indy lows won't help you. I finally sucked it up and just slapped in Soft Bones with two flat washer under the bottom bushing to keep stock height and then cranked them down; works like a charm!

That said, Bitch Bushings fit perfectly on the bottom and rebound is on point compared to stock, tops are a bit tall but they could be sanded down. I tried 73a and they were waaaaay to soft, going to try the 90as and see what's up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on September 21, 2017, 02:55:55 AM
What durometer are Venture stock bushings? What would you guys recommend for something softer in Ventures? The Venture soft (90A) red bushings aren?t easy to come by and I dunno if they?re soft enough. On Aces I run stock bushings and in Indys Bones medium.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 21, 2017, 08:10:22 AM
Quote from: Roisto on September 21, 2017, 02:55:55 AM
What durometer are Venture stock bushings? What would you guys recommend for something softer in Ventures? The Venture soft (90A) red bushings aren?t easy to come by and I dunno if they?re soft enough. On Aces I run stock bushings and in Indys Bones medium.
All of the stock venture bushings regardless of color are 90a. If you want something softer, DLX supercush or the aftermarket indys fit perfectly in ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on September 21, 2017, 10:19:50 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 21, 2017, 08:10:22 AM
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What durometer are Venture stock bushings? What would you guys recommend for something softer in Ventures? The Venture soft (90A) red bushings aren?t easy to come by and I dunno if they?re soft enough. On Aces I run stock bushings and in Indys Bones medium.
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All of the stock venture bushings regardless of color are 90a. If you want something softer, DLX supercush or the aftermarket indys fit perfectly in ventures.

Thanks. Maybe I'll try some Indy bushings. They're widely available at least. For some reason after breaking my leg and now slowly coming back I seem to prefer much looser trucks than before. Like night and day pretty much. So even though my previous opinion on stock Ventures was that they're pretty damn good, now I think I want them to be much looser. Interesting to see how they'll perform with some soft bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on September 21, 2017, 06:28:48 PM
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What durometer are Venture stock bushings? What would you guys recommend for something softer in Ventures? The Venture soft (90A) red bushings aren?t easy to come by and I dunno if they?re soft enough. On Aces I run stock bushings and in Indys Bones medium.
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All of the stock venture bushings regardless of color are 90a. If you want something softer, DLX supercush or the aftermarket indys fit perfectly in ventures.
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Thanks. Maybe I'll try some Indy bushings. They're widely available at least. For some reason after breaking my leg and now slowly coming back I seem to prefer much looser trucks than before. Like night and day pretty much. So even though my previous opinion on stock Ventures was that they're pretty damn good, now I think I want them to be much looser. Interesting to see how they'll perform with some soft bushings.

from what i understand/experience - the big 3 (venture thunder independent) all use a 90a stock bushing right? ive tried to use the stock thunders (the white ones, clearish yellow ones) but i just cant! i gotta have something more harder likea 95, 97 duro - i also weigh 130 pounds/ 5 foot 7 - so i think that matters?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on September 21, 2017, 08:57:55 PM
Quote from: fulfillthedream on September 21, 2017, 06:28:48 PM
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What durometer are Venture stock bushings? What would you guys recommend for something softer in Ventures? The Venture soft (90A) red bushings aren?t easy to come by and I dunno if they?re soft enough. On Aces I run stock bushings and in Indys Bones medium.
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All of the stock venture bushings regardless of color are 90a. If you want something softer, DLX supercush or the aftermarket indys fit perfectly in ventures.
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Thanks. Maybe I'll try some Indy bushings. They're widely available at least. For some reason after breaking my leg and now slowly coming back I seem to prefer much looser trucks than before. Like night and day pretty much. So even though my previous opinion on stock Ventures was that they're pretty damn good, now I think I want them to be much looser. Interesting to see how they'll perform with some soft bushings.
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from what i understand/experience - the big 3 (venture thunder independent) all use a 90a stock bushing right? ive tried to use the stock thunders (the white ones, clearish yellow ones) but i just cant! i gotta have something more harder likea 95, 97 duro - i also weigh 130 pounds/ 5 foot 7 - so i think that matters?

I weigh 200 pounds (90 kg) and am 6 foot 1 (186 cm).

I used to rock Bones hards on Indys and medium top stock bottom on Aces tightened down a lot. I could still turn on my board but it needed quite a bit of effort for sure. Dunno if that came from my snowboarding background as with a snowboard you usually have to put quite some force to the board to make it turn compared to a skateboard.

Now coming back from my injury I've felt like I want the board to turn much more easily, maybe because my legs aren't that strong right now and I'm doing less tricks, so I'm not so afraid of wheelbite.

I guess my point is that my view of how trucks should turn has changed drastically and I think I can kinda understand both sides, loose and soft & hard and tight as I've been in both camps recently.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 21, 2017, 09:56:18 PM
The thing with Ventures, I feel like there's this fine line where they turn great, then half a turn tighter they won't turn at all. I ride mine flush now and I can hit the same lines I could on Aces. Year ago I rode 2 threads showing and good luck trying to turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on September 22, 2017, 12:31:20 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 21, 2017, 09:56:18 PM
The thing with Ventures, I feel like there's this fine line where they turn great, then half a turn tighter they won't turn at all. I ride mine flush now and I can hit the same lines I could on Aces. Year ago I rode 2 threads showing and good luck trying to turn.

I haven?t fucked with mine at all so far. I might try to loosen them up a bit but I think the nut is pretty flush from the factory. Anyway, it?s good to know that Indy bushings are an option so I can easily go deeper with this truck nerdery. I?m happy with my stock Aces now. 149 Indys with Bones mediums on a 8.25? feel alright but 159s with Bones mediums on a 8.9? feel a bit too tight still, even with the nut barely hanging on there. Pretty weird. I kinda wanna try Bones softs on the big boy setup.  :-\

Also dunno if the wheelbase of the board has much to do with how the trucks feel. I have 15? wheelbase on the setup with 159s and 14.25? on the one with 149s and with the same bushings and same nut tightness they feel completely different.  :o
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on September 22, 2017, 01:59:51 AM
^Yeah, because the trucks may turn the same but placing them further apart creates a circle with a longer radius and the setup feels less responsive.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on September 22, 2017, 02:22:39 PM
I got fed up with everything modern so I busted out my last set of stage 7's that were pretty much mint condition. It took me awhile to get it hammered in properly but I put a krux kingpin in them and made sure the nut got all the way into the baseplate properly. It worked fine and I was really stoked on them, then after loosening and tightening a few times the nut started slipping out. The splines got kinda widened with all the hammering so the self-locking wasn't happening anymore. Then I put the stock kingpins back in and the grind clearance sucked.

I got fed up with dicking around with trucks that much, went out and bought Ace 44's. The baseplates will probably break on me eventually if I hit a slappy wrong but I have no choice. Ace are the only truck that turn fast enough for me, they ruined me for life. I keep the stock bottom bushing and use a black Indy hard for the top as it's nice and low. Also still using the riptide pivots. Front truck wobbly as hell, back truck loose but no wobble. Perfect feel.

*Also, local shop owner told me Ace will no longer be going through diamond to manufacture their trucks. They will be on their own so hopefully this means better quality control and the possibility of forged baseplates.* Also hope they will still sell through distributors and not pull an NHS and make everyone buy direct.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 22, 2017, 10:00:43 PM
Things break man. I know you had problems with Aces, but ride what you like. Had to learn this lesson the hard way.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 22, 2017, 10:39:07 PM
Nothing really turns like an ace...so if you love it...everything else will suck....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Glue Reed on September 24, 2017, 07:37:51 PM
Random question (and I hope this is a thread for it); does anybody ride their trucks a bit wider than their decks?  Like some Indy 159's on an 8.5?  Just wondering what else I can do to fuck with my setup even more. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 24, 2017, 07:40:06 PM
Most people seem to run 8.5" trucks on 8.25" boards. Same thing as 8.5 x 159s, so it's not that weird. I don't do it because I feel like I get more leverage flipping my board with narrow trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 24, 2017, 10:12:49 PM
But the correct answer is the same width.....
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Post by: sharkin on September 25, 2017, 05:57:18 AM
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But the correct answer is the same width.....
I agree.
you can make due with 1/4" difference bigger or smaller, and I'd usually err on the side of bigger trucks, but same width is correct
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on September 25, 2017, 06:12:14 AM
I like theeve 5.5, 8.18 wide, on 8.0 boards, it makes the wheels flush instead of the axles. I'll be trying thunder and indy 8.25 on 8.0 as well
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on September 25, 2017, 04:08:21 PM
Anyone else still running Riptide pivots?  Noticed yesterday ive got a crack on the one if my back truck
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Post by: j....soy..... on September 25, 2017, 06:30:15 PM
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I agree.
you can make due with 1/4" difference bigger or smaller, and I'd usually err on the side of bigger trucks, but same width is correct

Which is why the 8.25 truck makes sense as the new standard and it's sick they finally did it....you can skate anything from 8 and change up to an 8.5 no problem.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on September 25, 2017, 07:04:23 PM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on September 25, 2017, 04:08:21 PM
Anyone else still running Riptide pivots?  Noticed yesterday ive got a crack on the one if my back truck

I?m running a fresh set of them in my Ace 44?s. My first set ripped but it was more a combination of me being a bigger sized dude learning slappies and Ace?s soft metal baseplate than it was riptide?s fault. They still sent me a replacement set and they?re really nice people so I?d email them and I?m sure they?ll send you a new set.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on September 25, 2017, 07:33:32 PM
Guys hear me out, I was messing with my collection as usual and as crazy as it is I noticed something hard to believe

It's hard to take but honestly honestly and I back it, mini logo trucks are legit

I was religiously riding my good ole thunders for the past few weeks and decided to try my mini logos again and damn with just the swap of the kinda tight stock bushings to some classic bones they're perfect, I got some bones hards in them and idk what it is but they feel like the control and quickness of a thunder but can actually turn deeper. It's crazy but seriously if you got $40(the trucks and bones bushings combined) give it a try and I swear you will not regret it if your use to or into thunders and ventures, I can legitimately say they are my second favorite truck thunder still being the best, I've tried almost every truck up to date except destructos and seriously if Powell just redesigned the look but kept the geometry and threw in stock bones bushings or a conical version of the stock bushings these trucks would creep to the top.

I see what johnny was getting down with, these butt ugly cheap looking trucks are not to sleep on they're supposed 5 years of enginuity speaks in the feel

Seriously think of a deeper turning thunder and that's what mini logos feel like and they keep the wheelbase where it's supposed to be
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Post by: Thrash-trash on September 26, 2017, 01:57:11 PM
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Anyone else still running Riptide pivots?  Noticed yesterday ive got a crack on the one if my back truck
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I?m running a fresh set of them in my Ace 44?s. My first set ripped but it was more a combination of me being a bigger sized dude learning slappies and Ace?s soft metal baseplate than it was riptide?s fault. They still sent me a replacement set and they?re really nice people so I?d email them and I?m sure they?ll send you a new set.

So I guess Im outta the loop of Riptide pivot cup bushing. Any more info about this? Ive blown through pivot cup bushings on my 44s and 55s like crazy. Im about to try and JB weld the Krux kingpins in my baseplates, we'll see how that goes...
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Post by: ontheswarm on September 26, 2017, 02:05:06 PM
Indys with after market bushings, no top washer on either truck. Pretty loose but what I've got used to.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on September 27, 2017, 06:58:44 AM
The major difference I notice with riptide pivot cups is they don?t squeak and are 100% urethane. Stock Ace pivot cups aren?t too bad but the turn feels less smooth. Riptide?s kinda boost the stokeage you get from your trucks along with some aftermarket bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on September 27, 2017, 12:28:36 PM
Quote from: rob on September 25, 2017, 07:33:32 PM
Guys hear me out, I was messing with my collection as usual and as crazy as it is I noticed something hard to believe

It's hard to take but honestly honestly and I back it, mini logo trucks are legit

I see what johnny was getting down with, these butt ugly cheap looking trucks are not to sleep on they're supposed 5 years of enginuity speaks in the feel

Seriously think of a deeper turning thunder and that's what mini logos feel like and they keep the wheelbase where it's supposed to be

Yeah, they are very good for the price. If I wasn't so hooked on Theeve's oval yoke technology, and the lightness of TiAX, I might switch to ML.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on September 27, 2017, 03:31:43 PM
This thread sucks...  I swapped out my Ti 149's for my older, redesign 44's just for shits.  I told my buddy that I missed the turn of Ace's, but also wanted an excuse for my lack of ability...  We'll see how it goes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 28, 2017, 10:57:10 AM
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Guys hear me out, I was messing with my collection as usual and as crazy as it is I noticed something hard to believe

It's hard to take but honestly honestly and I back it, mini logo trucks are legit

I see what johnny was getting down with, these butt ugly cheap looking trucks are not to sleep on they're supposed 5 years of enginuity speaks in the feel

Seriously think of a deeper turning thunder and that's what mini logos feel like and they keep the wheelbase where it's supposed to be
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Yeah, they are very good for the price. If I wasn't so hooked on Theeve's oval yoke technology, and the lightness of TiAX, I might switch to ML.

Just as a back up....do they still make Tensor Hi's?  Some NOS G&S's?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on September 28, 2017, 12:35:40 PM
Quote from: Firebert on September 27, 2017, 12:28:36 PM
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Guys hear me out, I was messing with my collection as usual and as crazy as it is I noticed something hard to believe

It's hard to take but honestly honestly and I back it, mini logo trucks are legit

I see what johnny was getting down with, these butt ugly cheap looking trucks are not to sleep on they're supposed 5 years of enginuity speaks in the feel

Seriously think of a deeper turning thunder and that's what mini logos feel like and they keep the wheelbase where it's supposed to be
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Yeah, they are very good for the price. If I wasn't so hooked on Theeve's oval yoke technology, and the lightness of TiAX, I might switch to ML.

Yeah that oval yoke is the truth! I hardly ever get wheelbite anymore and I skate mine fairly loose. Been really enjoying the switch back to Theeves so far. It's just a shame that their marketing/team is so weak now, cuz the trucks themselves are superb, and they've been ahead of the curve with their truck designs since they came out with the titanium components. Out of the "secondary" big 3 (Krux, ace, & Theeve), they're probably the least popular & hardest to get stoked on outside of the actual trucks themselves. Their insta page is dry as fuck compared to all the other companies lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on October 01, 2017, 08:44:23 PM
Finally got around to buying Aces after hitting the axle/destroying the kingpins of my Indys. I can't remember the

I swapped out the Ace bushings for Bones "hardcore" bushings as well. The bushings were in my Indys beforehand (and barely fit). I think a few of you recommended the Ace/Bones combo so I was interested.

I can't provide as thorough a review as others can - I'm genuinely amazed at the level of truck knowledge here - but they feel great. I could tell that turning is way smoother with them right away. They're light and grind well as well, haven't done any slappies with them yet but I can tell it'll be a good time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gumi on October 02, 2017, 02:01:43 AM
Quote from: VCR on September 08, 2017, 07:50:47 AM
(http://i66.tinypic.com/9rhbn9.png)

Long shot but does anyone know when these are going out to shops? Specifically UK/euro? Reed(Reid?)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 02, 2017, 08:43:19 AM
Quote from: Adam Abbas on October 01, 2017, 08:44:23 PM
Finally got around to buying Aces after hitting the axle/destroying the kingpins of my Indys. I can't remember the

I swapped out the Ace bushings for Bones "hardcore" bushings as well. The bushings were in my Indys beforehand (and barely fit). I think a few of you recommended the Ace/Bones combo so I was interested.

I can't provide as thorough a review as others can - I'm genuinely amazed at the level of truck knowledge here - but they feel great. I could tell that turning is way smoother with them right away. They're light and grind well as well, haven't done any slappies with them yet but I can tell it'll be a good time.

I actually think ACEs are not light....they just appear to be light.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 02, 2017, 08:57:53 AM
Aces are heavy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on October 02, 2017, 09:37:42 AM
I find them light, I mean i didn't pick up my board and find it substantially heavier. Maybe they just look light and so I think they're lighter and I fell victim to a shrewd marketing ploy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on October 02, 2017, 10:16:07 AM
Quote from: Adam Abbas on October 02, 2017, 09:37:42 AM
I find them light, I mean i didn't pick up my board and find it substantially heavier. Maybe they just look light and so I think they're lighter and I fell victim to a shrewd marketing ploy.

I think they actually weigh more than Indy by a few grams, if I recall correctly
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 02, 2017, 10:34:10 AM
Steve weighed them against am Indy 149, and I think the 44 was a few grams lighter than the 149, but only because it's a shorter truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on October 02, 2017, 11:58:27 AM
If you manage to get the mag plates for your aces and use the krux kingpin they become noticeably lighter.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 02, 2017, 10:19:57 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on October 02, 2017, 11:58:27 AM
If you manage to get the mag plates for your aces and use the krux kingpin they become noticeably lighter.

Yeah but that's kid of a lot of work. I think they're fine stock, honestly. I skated the old 44s and new 55s. I just bought a set of 44s on an impulse, going to hang on to skate them once I get off this 7.75 kick I'm on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shadow on October 03, 2017, 11:06:01 AM
will krux cushions work in Ventures? purple stocks are a tad too squishy for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vitriol on October 03, 2017, 03:23:46 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 02, 2017, 10:34:10 AM
Steve weighed them against am Indy 149, and I think the 44 was a few grams lighter than the 149, but only because it's a shorter truck.

Indeed, from that skateboardingismylifetimesport page :
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit#gid=0 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit#gid=0)
Ace 44 : 365g
Indy 11 149 : 394g
Seeing the level of nerdyness over there, i'd trust those numbers... (omagad almost 10% more lighter!!!!)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on October 03, 2017, 04:30:07 PM
Don't trust those numbers.

a) The dude who did that website is has some questionable methods and numbers.
b) Ace added meat to their hangers since.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vitriol on October 04, 2017, 01:05:15 PM
Quote from: N.L. on October 03, 2017, 04:30:07 PM
Don't trust those numbers.

a) The dude who did that website is has some questionable methods and numbers.
b) Ace added meat to their hangers since.

Yep you're right, I forgot that because i roll with the old design; bends a tad but still strong enough for my soft skating.  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 04, 2017, 07:32:34 PM
Krux are on sale on most of the big websites, anyone know why? K5's coming?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on October 05, 2017, 06:09:11 PM
Quote from: shadow on October 03, 2017, 11:06:01 AM
will krux cushions work in Ventures? purple stocks are a tad too squishy for me.
I believe the bottom bushing will be too tall for them. Not 100% because I haven't owned ventures in probably 10 years.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 06, 2017, 10:53:29 AM
Quote from: Cherb on October 05, 2017, 06:09:11 PM
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will krux cushions work in Ventures? purple stocks are a tad too squishy for me.
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I believe the bottom bushing will be too tall for them. Not 100% because I haven't owned ventures in probably 10 years.

Krux bottoms are taller than everything but ACEs (and I think Thunder bottoms), I doubt they would fit properly in Ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shadow on October 06, 2017, 01:56:59 PM
looks like the krux bottoms are about 2-3 mm taller than the stock venture purples. is this going to throw the geometry off at all? they seem pretty tight with the nut flush but i can't actually skate em today because it's been raining on and off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 06, 2017, 03:03:16 PM
Quote from: shadow on October 06, 2017, 01:56:59 PM
looks like the krux bottoms are about 2-3 mm taller than the stock venture purples. is this going to throw the geometry off at all? they seem pretty tight with the nut flush but i can't actually skate em today because it's been raining on and off.
DLX supercush, indy aftermarkets, and doh-dohs fit Ventures perfectly. There's tons of options.  If you want to pack out some krux ones though, go for it, it shouldn't be that bad.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shadow on October 06, 2017, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 06, 2017, 03:03:16 PM
Quote from: shadow on October 06, 2017, 01:56:59 PM
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looks like the krux bottoms are about 2-3 mm taller than the stock venture purples. is this going to throw the geometry off at all? they seem pretty tight with the nut flush but i can't actually skate em today because it's been raining on and off.
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DLX supercush, indy aftermarkets, and doh-dohs fit Ventures perfectly. There's tons of options.  If you want to pack out some krux ones though, go for it, it shouldn't be that bad.

I wanted to try something different and it seems like the krux cushions get a lot of love on here. i'm curious if the formula is really any different than the indy aftermarkets.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 07, 2017, 05:53:12 PM
Quote from: shadow on October 06, 2017, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 06, 2017, 03:03:16 PM
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looks like the krux bottoms are about 2-3 mm taller than the stock venture purples. is this going to throw the geometry off at all? they seem pretty tight with the nut flush but i can't actually skate em today because it's been raining on and off.
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DLX supercush, indy aftermarkets, and doh-dohs fit Ventures perfectly. There's tons of options.  If you want to pack out some krux ones though, go for it, it shouldn't be that bad.
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I wanted to try something different and it seems like the krux cushions get a lot of love on here. i'm curious if the formula is really any different than the indy aftermarkets.

Picked up some aftermarket indy 90a cylinders today, they're about 1-3mm shorter than the krux, whereas the indy conicals are the same height as krux, not sure why the aftermarket cylinders are shorter than the conicals...and the conical tops are shorter than the aftermarket cylinder tops...also, the stock indy cylinders are the same height as the krux. Anyway...

Been running my 144 Indys with bones mediums (no washers) and 144 thunders with 88 conical indys (and bones washers top and bottom), skated each for a week straight.

The Thunders really feel great with these bushings, probably the most dialed I've been able to get them, but for now I'm switching back to indys as I've been skating a 90% transition park and I've come to find that what I really like about thunders is the reset to center whereas the indys, with conicals, feel a bit wobblier on return, so I'm trying out 90a cylinders and 88a tops (with washers) for a bit more stability.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ciaran on October 08, 2017, 01:39:30 PM
Might be of some use to somebody - lately I've switched from a full set of Bones medium in a pair of Ace 44s to stock Ace bushings on the bottom and Bones on the top.  So far so good - everything feels notably better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Silky Johnson on October 08, 2017, 03:41:52 PM
How many axle washers do you guys run? Trying to prevent some axle slips.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on October 08, 2017, 03:48:04 PM
Quote from: Silky Johnson on October 08, 2017, 03:41:52 PM
How many axle washers do you guys run? Trying to prevent some axle slips.
2 on the inside one on the outside of each wheel. 12 total.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Silky Johnson on October 08, 2017, 03:51:03 PM
Thanks for the quick reply, I'll definitely try that ratio out, I was gonna run two inside and two outiside but was kinda sketched my axle nut wouldn't be tight enough and fall off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 08, 2017, 04:16:05 PM
Quote from: pointandclick on October 08, 2017, 03:48:04 PM
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How many axle washers do you guys run? Trying to prevent some axle slips.
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2 on the inside one on the outside of each wheel. 12 total.

Same here (depending on wheels) keeps the nut right at the end of the axle combating primo lands.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on October 08, 2017, 04:27:18 PM
Quote from: pointandclick on October 08, 2017, 03:48:04 PM
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How many axle washers do you guys run? Trying to prevent some axle slips.
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2 on the inside one on the outside of each wheel. 12 total.

Ran the same set up with standard Indy nuts but switching over to the smaller Ace nuts makes it impossible
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on October 08, 2017, 05:03:10 PM
Reynolds put this up and i'm sure a few in here could relate heavily

(https://i.imgur.com/QxY0l9H.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 08, 2017, 07:00:18 PM
55??

I feel that!

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on October 08, 2017, 07:51:54 PM
55mm is a magical size.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on October 08, 2017, 08:32:34 PM
55 is the biggest you can go and not feel like you're riding a cruiser
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 08, 2017, 09:26:48 PM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on October 08, 2017, 04:27:18 PM
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How many axle washers do you guys run? Trying to prevent some axle slips.
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2 on the inside one on the outside of each wheel. 12 total.
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Ran the same set up with standard Indy nuts but switching over to the smaller Ace nuts makes it impossible

I've mentioned this before and will do it any time someone even mentions washers......check out race reds....you can crank your axel nuts tight.....no bullshit backing off a quarter turn....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 09, 2017, 06:43:52 AM
Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on October 08, 2017, 08:32:34 PM
55 is the biggest you can go and not feel like you're riding a cruiser

At some point in the 80s OJ made their 'street razor' wheel in 55mm, it was the smallest wheel to hit at that time and we flipped out over it. Only got smaller from there!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 09, 2017, 07:44:04 AM
I stuck a set of gizmos in my mouth......

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DBAG999 on October 09, 2017, 10:31:56 AM
Quote from: ciaran on October 08, 2017, 01:39:30 PM
Might be of some use to somebody - lately I've switched from a full set of Bones medium in a pair of Ace 44s to stock Ace bushings on the bottom and Bones on the top.  So far so good - everything feels notably better.

Do you use washers with the stock Ace bushing on the bottom? Interested in trying this setup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on October 09, 2017, 07:43:58 PM
Quote from: DBAG999 on October 09, 2017, 10:31:56 AM
Quote from: ciaran on October 08, 2017, 01:39:30 PM
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Might be of some use to somebody - lately I've switched from a full set of Bones medium in a pair of Ace 44s to stock Ace bushings on the bottom and Bones on the top.  So far so good - everything feels notably better.
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Do you use washers with the stock Ace bushing on the bottom? Interested in trying this setup.

I'm curious about this too.  My Ace bushings are getting to the point of being too soft... I tried Krux bushings pretty soon after getting my 44's and those were crazy loose for me.  Wondering if there's a good aftermarket option is a slightly harder durometer.  I'm a bigger dude, and at 33 have a hard time getting out more than a couple days a week.  Maybe I should just buy Ace aftermarkets, fight through the break in period and keep swapping them out when they get to the point there currently at?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on October 10, 2017, 03:15:45 AM
Quote from: jamersonbass on October 09, 2017, 07:43:58 PM
Quote from: DBAG999 on October 09, 2017, 10:31:56 AM
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Quote from: ciaran on October 08, 2017, 01:39:30 PM
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Might be of some use to somebody - lately I've switched from a full set of Bones medium in a pair of Ace 44s to stock Ace bushings on the bottom and Bones on the top.  So far so good - everything feels notably better.
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Do you use washers with the stock Ace bushing on the bottom? Interested in trying this setup.
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I'm curious about this too.  My Ace bushings are getting to the point of being too soft... I tried Krux bushings pretty soon after getting my 44's and those were crazy loose for me.  Wondering if there's a good aftermarket option is a slightly harder durometer.  I'm a bigger dude, and at 33 have a hard time getting out more than a couple days a week.  Maybe I should just buy Ace aftermarkets, fight through the break in period and keep swapping them out when they get to the point there currently at?

I rock Doh Doh’s in my Aces. In the high’s they fit seamlessly using the stock washers, in the lows I remove the bottom washer so they are the right height.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on October 10, 2017, 10:49:54 AM
Quote from: Mongoloid on October 10, 2017, 03:15:45 AM
Quote from: jamersonbass on October 09, 2017, 07:43:58 PM
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Quote from: DBAG999 on October 09, 2017, 10:31:56 AM
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Quote from: ciaran on October 08, 2017, 01:39:30 PM
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Might be of some use to somebody - lately I've switched from a full set of Bones medium in a pair of Ace 44s to stock Ace bushings on the bottom and Bones on the top.  So far so good - everything feels notably better.
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Do you use washers with the stock Ace bushing on the bottom? Interested in trying this setup.
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I'm curious about this too.  My Ace bushings are getting to the point of being too soft... I tried Krux bushings pretty soon after getting my 44's and those were crazy loose for me.  Wondering if there's a good aftermarket option is a slightly harder durometer.  I'm a bigger dude, and at 33 have a hard time getting out more than a couple days a week.  Maybe I should just buy Ace aftermarkets, fight through the break in period and keep swapping them out when they get to the point there currently at?
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I rock Doh Doh’s in my Aces. In the high’s they fit seamlessly using the stock washers, in the lows I remove the bottom washer so they are the right height.

What durometer Doh Doh's do you use?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 10, 2017, 11:43:21 AM
Quote from: jamersonbass on October 09, 2017, 07:43:58 PM
Quote from: DBAG999 on October 09, 2017, 10:31:56 AM
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Quote from: ciaran on October 08, 2017, 01:39:30 PM
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Might be of some use to somebody - lately I've switched from a full set of Bones medium in a pair of Ace 44s to stock Ace bushings on the bottom and Bones on the top.  So far so good - everything feels notably better.
[close]

Do you use washers with the stock Ace bushing on the bottom? Interested in trying this setup.
[close]

I'm curious about this too.  My Ace bushings are getting to the point of being too soft... I tried Krux bushings pretty soon after getting my 44's and those were crazy loose for me.  Wondering if there's a good aftermarket option is a slightly harder durometer.  I'm a bigger dude, and at 33 have a hard time getting out more than a couple days a week.  Maybe I should just buy Ace aftermarkets, fight through the break in period and keep swapping them out when they get to the point there currently at?

Try Khiro? Lots of tweaker options to play around with!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on October 10, 2017, 03:01:12 PM
Quote from: jamersonbass on October 10, 2017, 10:49:54 AM
Quote from: Mongoloid on October 10, 2017, 03:15:45 AM
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Quote from: jamersonbass on October 09, 2017, 07:43:58 PM
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Quote from: DBAG999 on October 09, 2017, 10:31:56 AM
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Quote from: ciaran on October 08, 2017, 01:39:30 PM
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Might be of some use to somebody - lately I've switched from a full set of Bones medium in a pair of Ace 44s to stock Ace bushings on the bottom and Bones on the top.  So far so good - everything feels notably better.
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Do you use washers with the stock Ace bushing on the bottom? Interested in trying this setup.
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I'm curious about this too.  My Ace bushings are getting to the point of being too soft... I tried Krux bushings pretty soon after getting my 44's and those were crazy loose for me.  Wondering if there's a good aftermarket option is a slightly harder durometer.  I'm a bigger dude, and at 33 have a hard time getting out more than a couple days a week.  Maybe I should just buy Ace aftermarkets, fight through the break in period and keep swapping them out when they get to the point there currently at?
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I rock Doh Doh’s in my Aces. In the high’s they fit seamlessly using the stock washers, in the lows I remove the bottom washer so they are the right height.
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What durometer Doh Doh's do you use?

I use the reds (95), but I gotta make a proper distinction here.

The reds are absolutely perfect for my 03 lows as far as looseness/turning, but for whatever reason felt too loose on my shaped board I rode last weekend which has Ace 55's. I tried the whites which were (98 I believe, and they felt too rigid and once they softened up didn't have very good rebound).

I'm 170lbs, and always rode loose so take that into consideration as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 10, 2017, 07:43:41 PM
Quote from: Mongoloid on October 10, 2017, 03:01:12 PM
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Might be of some use to somebody - lately I've switched from a full set of Bones medium in a pair of Ace 44s to stock Ace bushings on the bottom and Bones on the top.  So far so good - everything feels notably better.
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Do you use washers with the stock Ace bushing on the bottom? Interested in trying this setup.
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I'm curious about this too.  My Ace bushings are getting to the point of being too soft... I tried Krux bushings pretty soon after getting my 44's and those were crazy loose for me.  Wondering if there's a good aftermarket option is a slightly harder durometer.  I'm a bigger dude, and at 33 have a hard time getting out more than a couple days a week.  Maybe I should just buy Ace aftermarkets, fight through the break in period and keep swapping them out when they get to the point there currently at?
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I rock Doh Doh’s in my Aces. In the high’s they fit seamlessly using the stock washers, in the lows I remove the bottom washer so they are the right height.
[close]

What durometer Doh Doh's do you use?
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I use the reds (95), but I gotta make a proper distinction here.

The reds are absolutely perfect for my 03 lows as far as looseness/turning, but for whatever reason felt too loose on my shaped board I rode last weekend which has Ace 55's. I tried the whites which were (98 I believe, and they felt too rigid and once they softened up didn't have very good rebound).

I'm 170lbs, and always rode loose so take that into consideration as well.

I hover around 175/178 (trying to get to 180) and ride loose - I get wheelbite no matter what - when I rode ACE03s I rode bones hards top and bottom, ino washer and it was perfect. At first I thought it would be counter productive, hard conicals, loose truck style, super turny trucks and back then I was only 165 or so. Once the bones broke in it was all gravy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on October 10, 2017, 08:03:07 PM
I'm 200lbs, like long walks on the beach, reading romance novels and deep discussions about bushings. 88-90a only. If I get wheelbite, I know I'm doing it wrong.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 10, 2017, 11:16:27 PM
I bought 2 sets of Krux, 8.25s and 8.5s, $30 shipped... Am I allowed to put these on a DLX board? I don't know what I'm doing with my life.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 10, 2017, 11:38:11 PM
do you need counseling?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on October 11, 2017, 01:26:32 AM
This was pretty interesting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzCgzrup5vc
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lorn Au Arcos on October 11, 2017, 06:29:13 AM
Quote from: franquietits on October 11, 2017, 01:26:32 AM
This was pretty interesting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzCgzrup5vc

Funny, that randomly showed up on my home youtube page so I gave it a watch. I remember those trucks so it held my attention. I also remember my buddy skating them for a while and kept breaking kingpins, which is ironic since they started as a kingpin company.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 11, 2017, 08:03:02 AM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on October 10, 2017, 11:38:11 PM
do you need counseling?
Probably.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 11, 2017, 09:20:00 AM
Quote from: Lorn Au Arcos on October 11, 2017, 06:29:13 AM
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This was pretty interesting...


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Funny, that randomly showed up on my home youtube page so I gave it a watch. I remember those trucks so it held my attention. I also remember my buddy skating them for a while and kept breaking kingpins, which is ironic since they started as a kingpin company.

Showed up for me as well, gave it a watch - I was out of the 'know' when all those GK variants came out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ciaran on October 11, 2017, 05:00:09 PM
Quote from: jamersonbass on October 09, 2017, 07:43:58 PM
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Might be of some use to somebody - lately I've switched from a full set of Bones medium in a pair of Ace 44s to stock Ace bushings on the bottom and Bones on the top.  So far so good - everything feels notably better.
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Do you use washers with the stock Ace bushing on the bottom? Interested in trying this setup.
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I'm curious about this too.  My Ace bushings are getting to the point of being too soft... I tried Krux bushings pretty soon after getting my 44's and those were crazy loose for me.  Wondering if there's a good aftermarket option is a slightly harder durometer.  I'm a bigger dude, and at 33 have a hard time getting out more than a couple days a week.  Maybe I should just buy Ace aftermarkets, fight through the break in period and keep swapping them out when they get to the point there currently at?

Yep, I use the washer on the bottom.  Seems fine.  I kept the old Bones top bushing and put it with a bottom Ace bushing that was a couple of weeks old before it was taken out in the first place. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sharkin on October 13, 2017, 12:55:30 PM
I've been using the blue indy 92a aftermarket bushings in all my trucks for a while now

set up a new pair of the ave matte clear that came stock with white bushings and replaced them with some blue conical 92as. They felt softer than the stock ones, which made me feel crazy so I cranked it down a little past flush and it was still way too loose from what I normally expect.

Rode them for less than an hour and noticed a giant slice into the top bushing on my front truck like it folded over the top washer, which I'm sure is "my fault" but still kinda disappointed in what I thought was my perfect bushing now has me second guessing.

I put the white stock ones back in, and they feel way better than the orange stock ones that come with every set of regular indys
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on October 14, 2017, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: sharkin on October 13, 2017, 12:55:30 PM
I've been using the blue indy 92a aftermarket bushings in all my trucks for a while now

set up a new pair of the ave matte clear that came stock with white bushings and replaced them with some blue conical 92as. They felt softer than the stock ones, which made me feel crazy so I cranked it down a little past flush and it was still way too loose from what I normally expect.

Rode them for less than an hour and noticed a giant slice into the top bushing on my front truck like it folded over the top washer, which I'm sure is "my fault" but still kinda disappointed in what I thought was my perfect bushing now has me second guessing.

I put the white stock ones back in, and they feel way better than the orange stock ones that come with every set of regular indys
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The coefficient of friction between the yoke and the bushings is a factor in how trucks feel.  If you soap the bushings to make them more slippery the truck will feel looser.  An Indy with a matte finish is a different surface than a standard polished Indy.  So the same bushings could yield a different tightness from one set of trucks to another.

Also, unrelated, on Indys the hollow kingpins are longer than the regular kingpins.  So if your settings are referenced to the nut being flush then you will wind up in a different place.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 14, 2017, 12:26:37 PM
A while back I came up on some 215s on ebay for pretty much free. They have zero grind marks, but the bushings were blown and the kingpin looked wonky on one of them. I don't know how old these are.  Long story short, I bought the Indy 6 hole baseplates that just came out, new hardware, and put some 88 aftermarkets on them.  The problem I'm having is it was nearly impossible for the kingpin nut to go on with these new bushings and it seems like the way the yoke sits on the bottom bushing isn't right.  I barely got the nuts on and they're down to almost flush, but I feel like something's off. Any suggestions? Indy is saying they're universal baseplates so maybe it's the bushings being too tall?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spicy boi. on October 15, 2017, 05:04:17 PM
dumb ass question, but any chance at all that a thunder hi hollow kingpin would fit in a indy standard?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheVisitor on October 18, 2017, 06:29:18 AM
Does anyone have an opinion on Indy Lows and how they skate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 18, 2017, 08:34:23 AM
Yah there a bunch of trucks we don't talk too much about : Thunder hi's, venture hi's, Indy los, ace lo's....Indy mids.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sharkin on October 18, 2017, 11:50:22 AM
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I've been using the blue indy 92a aftermarket bushings in all my trucks for a while now

set up a new pair of the ave matte clear that came stock with white bushings and replaced them with some blue conical 92as. They felt softer than the stock ones, which made me feel crazy so I cranked it down a little past flush and it was still way too loose from what I normally expect.

Rode them for less than an hour and noticed a giant slice into the top bushing on my front truck like it folded over the top washer, which I'm sure is "my fault" but still kinda disappointed in what I thought was my perfect bushing now has me second guessing.

I put the white stock ones back in, and they feel way better than the orange stock ones that come with every set of regular indys
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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The coefficient of friction between the yoke and the bushings is a factor in how trucks feel.  If you soap the bushings to make them more slippery the truck will feel looser.  An Indy with a matte finish is a different surface than a standard polished Indy.  So the same bushings could yield a different tightness from one set of trucks to another.

Also, unrelated, on Indys the hollow kingpins are longer than the regular kingpins.  So if your settings are referenced to the nut being flush then you will wind up in a different place.

wild, i never even thought it was the matte finish. gonna swap over some bushings from a polished pair of indys just to prove you right and settle this madness in my mind
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on October 18, 2017, 01:31:13 PM
Quote from: TheVisitor on October 18, 2017, 06:29:18 AM
Does anyone have an opinion on Indy Lows and how they skate?
Yeah, I do - they suck. More wheelbite is all I got. I'm still of the opinion that people who ride indy, just haven't/won't give other brands a chance. Mini-logos are better than independent, especially if you are looking for a low truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on October 18, 2017, 03:29:11 PM
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Yeah, I do - they suck. More wheelbite is all I got. I'm still of the opinion that people who ride indy, just haven't/won't give other brands a chance. Mini-logos are better than independent, especially if you are looking for a low truck.

I got a pair a couple years back because I got all hyped watching Brent Atchley footage and he seemed to be able to make them turn a bit but damn.. They didn't turn for shit. I'm surprised people can skate these, you have to tick tack to turn anything more than a 15 degree angle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on October 18, 2017, 11:56:50 PM
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Yeah, I do - they suck. More wheelbite is all I got. I'm still of the opinion that people who ride indy, just haven't/won't give other brands a chance. Mini-logos are better than independent, especially if you are looking for a low truck.
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I got a pair a couple years back because I got all hyped watching Brent Atchley footage and he seemed to be able to make them turn a bit but damn.. They didn't turn for shit. I'm surprised people can skate these, you have to tick tack to turn anything more than a 15 degree angle.
I’m with you guys,tried to rode a set couple of years ago but those things just don’t turn, even with chopped down bushings... Get forged ones if you need lower indy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on October 19, 2017, 09:06:07 AM
I take everything I said about 5.8 Ventures turning back. I dunno what was wrong with me. Probably due to me breaking my leg and for some reason liking rather tight trucks previously, I thought they turned, but they really don't turn well at all.

I've tried them with stock bushings, Bones mediums and Indy stocks and I just can't get them loose enough. I really like them otherwise though and for some reason I seem to be hellbent on making them work even though I absolutely love stock Ace 44s and Indy 149s with Bones mediums are pretty good too. 🤔

I'm considering trying the soft (88A) Indy conical bushings in the Ventures to make them turn more nicely. I should probably just ditch them and stick with Aces but I've got the disease, just gotta fuck around with trucks no matter what. 😬
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: In A Jar on October 19, 2017, 12:36:30 PM
Ventures will never turn as quickly as Ace.  With that being said I love how Venture 5.8s skate (with Venom 88a bushings). 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 19, 2017, 09:29:13 PM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  on October 18, 2017, 11:56:50 PM
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Yeah, I do - they suck. More wheelbite is all I got. I'm still of the opinion that people who ride indy, just haven't/won't give other brands a chance. Mini-logos are better than independent, especially if you are looking for a low truck.
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I got a pair a couple years back because I got all hyped watching Brent Atchley footage and he seemed to be able to make them turn a bit but damn.. They didn't turn for shit. I'm surprised people can skate these, you have to tick tack to turn anything more than a 15 degree angle.
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I’m with you guys,tried to rode a set couple of years ago but those things just don’t turn, even with chopped down bushings... Get forged ones if you need lower indy.

It’s true sadly, I loved my Indy lows for a second but it’s cause I some how got them a good medium loose and threw shock pads that made them thunder hi 147 height but Indy feel but lately I think cause I’m learning to jump higher Im moving towards mid height trucks like mentioned forged Indy standards, mini logos though are some legit trucks just sucks that the quality is sometimes iffy, I had to replace the kingpin twice cause some wobbling developed somehow and just decided overall I like the way Indy standards feel since jumping higher
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 19, 2017, 10:15:16 PM
Quote from: Roisto on October 19, 2017, 09:06:07 AM
I take everything I said about 5.8 Ventures turning back. I dunno what was wrong with me. Probably due to me breaking my leg and for some reason liking rather tight trucks previously, I thought they turned, but they really don't turn well at all.

I've tried them with stock bushings, Bones mediums and Indy stocks and I just can't get them loose enough. I really like them otherwise though and for some reason I seem to be hellbent on making them work even though I absolutely love stock Ace 44s and Indy 149s with Bones mediums are pretty good too. 🤔

I'm considering trying the soft (88A) Indy conical bushings in the Ventures to make them turn more nicely. I should probably just ditch them and stick with Aces but I've got the disease, just gotta fuck around with trucks no matter what. 😬

They are at opposite ends of the truck spectrum...ventures can be responsive but no way can they reach the turning radius of an ACE....

Aces are more like....you lean and nothing is really happening...then you do a U turn....

Maybe an ACE low just to keep you guessing?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on October 20, 2017, 12:02:50 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 19, 2017, 10:15:16 PM
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I take everything I said about 5.8 Ventures turning back. I dunno what was wrong with me. Probably due to me breaking my leg and for some reason liking rather tight trucks previously, I thought they turned, but they really don't turn well at all.

I've tried them with stock bushings, Bones mediums and Indy stocks and I just can't get them loose enough. I really like them otherwise though and for some reason I seem to be hellbent on making them work even though I absolutely love stock Ace 44s and Indy 149s with Bones mediums are pretty good too. 🤔

I'm considering trying the soft (88A) Indy conical bushings in the Ventures to make them turn more nicely. I should probably just ditch them and stick with Aces but I've got the disease, just gotta fuck around with trucks no matter what. 😬
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They are at opposite ends of the truck spectrum...ventures can be responsive but no way can they reach the turning radius of an ACE....

Aces are more like....you lean and nothing is really happening...then you do a U turn....

Maybe an ACE low just to keep you guessing?

Yeah, I know they’re in the opposite spectrum but for some reason I kinda like the Ventures. Was thinking of trying the 78A Indy super soft bushings in them too maybe instead of the 88A ones. That might be really interesting. I’ll have to see what the shops have next week when I go to Helsinki where there are shops with better selection.

Ace lows. Thankfully they only come in 8” wide and I ride 8.38” or 8.5” and also 54 mm wheels, so lows aren’t really an option. 😆
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on October 20, 2017, 11:39:54 AM
If you want a stable truck that turns well, go with Theeve. No other truck has this oval yoke that pulls your wheels inwards (as opposed to towards the deck) after a certain point.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-141niTgKKnk/TqmIF2cFPZI/AAAAAAAAAWg/DM2i1uXUP2I/s320/IMG_0532.JPG)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on October 20, 2017, 11:51:22 AM
Quote from: Firebert on October 20, 2017, 11:39:54 AM
If you want a stable truck that turns well, go with Theeve. No other truck has this oval yoke that pulls your wheels inwards (as opposed to towards the deck) after a certain point.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-141niTgKKnk/TqmIF2cFPZI/AAAAAAAAAWg/DM2i1uXUP2I/s320/IMG_0532.JPG)

Backing this post 110% as someone who has frequently flip flopped from Thunders & Ventures. To me they're like the best all around , all-terrain truck. You can do some zippy street stuff, skate big gaps, or carve tranny all pretty well. Grind like a beast AND they're relatively light as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: calvinsdream on October 20, 2017, 09:22:54 PM
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I take everything I said about 5.8 Ventures turning back. I dunno what was wrong with me. Probably due to me breaking my leg and for some reason liking rather tight trucks previously, I thought they turned, but they really don't turn well at all.

I've tried them with stock bushings, Bones mediums and Indy stocks and I just can't get them loose enough. I really like them otherwise though and for some reason I seem to be hellbent on making them work even though I absolutely love stock Ace 44s and Indy 149s with Bones mediums are pretty good too. 🤔

I'm considering trying the soft (88A) Indy conical bushings in the Ventures to make them turn more nicely. I should probably just ditch them and stick with Aces but I've got the disease, just gotta fuck around with trucks no matter what. 😬
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They are at opposite ends of the truck spectrum...ventures can be responsive but no way can they reach the turning radius of an ACE....

Aces are more like....you lean and nothing is really happening...then you do a U turn....

Maybe an ACE low just to keep you guessing?
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Yeah, I know they’re in the opposite spectrum but for some reason I kinda like the Ventures. Was thinking of trying the 78A Indy super soft bushings in them too maybe instead of the 88A ones. That might be really interesting. I’ll have to see what the shops have next week when I go to Helsinki where there are shops with better selection.

Ace lows. Thankfully they only come in 8” wide and I ride 8.38” or 8.5” and also 54 mm wheels, so lows aren’t really an option. 😆

I really like the 78a indys. They're really soft but without feeling squirrely.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on October 22, 2017, 11:29:08 AM
whats the general consensus on bushings for 149 team highs? been running the 94a blues for a year, need a new back kingpin as my shit is fucked and figure i may aswell get a new set. ride them fairly loose and im getting wheelbite on 54s so im unsure as to what to get.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: -- on October 24, 2017, 06:27:09 PM
what are the options for replacing thunder pivot cups?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on October 24, 2017, 06:31:02 PM
Quote from: -- on October 24, 2017, 06:27:09 PM
what are the options for replacing thunder pivot cups?

Thunder

mini logo

riptide

i think khrio do some as well
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 24, 2017, 08:06:01 PM
Khiro don't sit well in the thunder plates, they stick up a bit and push the hanger foreward (as you can't get the pivot deep enough due to how thick thick they are.

Just throw in some whatever black cups you can find
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 24, 2017, 11:41:58 PM
What’s the consensus on flip tricks and the width of your trucks?

I wanna be more into my flip tricks but I love stability and I think 144/149 tricks do break even but idk...less area to flip=faster flip tricks=more predictable to catch and land??
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on October 25, 2017, 06:31:56 AM
Quote from: rob on October 24, 2017, 11:41:58 PM
What’s the consensus on flip tricks and the width of your trucks?

I wanna be more into my flip tricks but I love stability and I think 144/149 tricks do break even but idk...less area to flip=faster flip tricks=more predictable to catch and land??

Dear god Rob.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sharkin on October 25, 2017, 06:48:57 AM
depends how much pressure you apply, where you flick, center of gravity, size shoe, board size, wheel size for the rotational weight, and so much more.

I personally like a nice floaty flip, so 149s with an 8.38-8.5 and 53mm wheels is preferred
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 25, 2017, 10:28:41 AM
Quote from: rob on October 24, 2017, 11:41:58 PM
What’s the consensus on flip tricks and the width of your trucks?

I wanna be more into my flip tricks but I love stability and I think 144/149 tricks do break even but idk...less area to flip=faster flip tricks=more predictable to catch and land??

It doesn't matter - it's personal preference.

I'm sure you've seen treflips performed on 129/147 all the way through 169s (R.Hawk and more)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 25, 2017, 12:32:58 PM
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What’s the consensus on flip tricks and the width of your trucks?

I wanna be more into my flip tricks but I love stability and I think 144/149 tricks do break even but idk...less area to flip=faster flip tricks=more predictable to catch and land??
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Dear god Rob.....

Haha it’s cause I flop between my 149 and 139/147 every now and then and I do notice obviously the 8” trucks flip easier faster and somewhat more predictable but the stability is somewhat way off and idk if I can deal with that

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What’s the consensus on flip tricks and the width of your trucks?

I wanna be more into my flip tricks but I love stability and I think 144/149 tricks do break even but idk...less area to flip=faster flip tricks=more predictable to catch and land??
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It doesn't matter - it's personal preference.

I'm sure you've seen treflips performed on 129/147 all the way through 169s (R.Hawk and more)

Thanks I needed that realization I was going mad again, been gettin less kook only flopping between the top 2(Indy and thunders)

Also damn those Indy after market comical work best!! I threw the 88a like N.L. Mentioned and oh my Gonz they felt way better than the after market cylinders or stock, had to go tighter though to upgraded to the 94a no bottom washer and so far very good. If you get Indy after market bushings for your Indy’s I highly suggest the conicals no buts
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 25, 2017, 08:11:26 PM
Quote from: rob on October 25, 2017, 12:32:58 PM
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What’s the consensus on flip tricks and the width of your trucks?

I wanna be more into my flip tricks but I love stability and I think 144/149 tricks do break even but idk...less area to flip=faster flip tricks=more predictable to catch and land??
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Dear god Rob.....
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Haha it’s cause I flop between my 149 and 139/147 every now and then and I do notice obviously the 8” trucks flip easier faster and somewhat more predictable but the stability is somewhat way off and idk if I can deal with that

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What’s the consensus on flip tricks and the width of your trucks?

I wanna be more into my flip tricks but I love stability and I think 144/149 tricks do break even but idk...less area to flip=faster flip tricks=more predictable to catch and land??
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It doesn't matter - it's personal preference.

I'm sure you've seen treflips performed on 129/147 all the way through 169s (R.Hawk and more)
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Thanks I needed that realization I was going mad again, been gettin less kook only flopping between the top 2(Indy and thunders)

Also damn those Indy after market comical work best!! I threw the 88a like N.L. Mentioned and oh my Gonz they felt way better than the after market cylinders or stock, had to go tighter though to upgraded to the 94a no bottom washer and so far very good. If you get Indy after market bushings for your Indy’s I highly suggest the conicals no buts

Also, this is why I only ride 144/148s now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on October 26, 2017, 04:52:28 AM
I’m curious to try those new team titanium’s by Thunder, since they use a cast baseplate to keep it at the 52.3mm height. However, I have a feeling I’ll be really disappointed with the turn/wheelbite. If it doesn’t turn like Ace I won’t last a minute.

Currently running Ace 44’s with stock bottom bushings and Indy hard top bushings, along with riptide pivot cups and it’s the most dialed-in I’ve ever had these trucks. The turn is unbelievable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 26, 2017, 07:13:40 AM
The geometry of the two trucks is so different.....no way they will turn the same....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 26, 2017, 10:15:13 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 26, 2017, 07:13:40 AM
The geometry of the two trucks is so different.....no way they will turn the same....

So true but you can only try and kook around until you get 99% close enough but never 100 haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ValJerk on October 26, 2017, 04:18:25 PM
I was a grindking guy when I rode 7.5's in the mid 90's then rode indys ever since in varying widths. Ride Indy 139 low hangers on forged baseplates with green conical Indy 90a bottom (no washer) and white 88a top bushings, I also use grindking kingpins. I tighten them until I can barely make it wheel bite by hand. I'm 145lbs. Monday I set up a pair of ace 03's with magnesium baseplates, my same Indy bushing combo w no bottom washer, and Jerry rigged some grindking kingpins in. They turn great and they grind great, and are lighter than any truck in the shop excluding the Mullen uberlights. They're even lighter then any of my old grindkings. I feel like a traitor but so far I like em. I'm trying to destroy them so we'll see how they fair
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 26, 2017, 06:10:21 PM
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The geometry of the two trucks is so different.....no way they will turn the same....
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So true but you can only try and kook around until you get 99% close enough but never 100 haha

I wouldn't even go 99% unless you are talking indy / ace and thunders are their own beast. I'm back on Theeve tiKings after riding the TiH for a minute (finally found a bushing combo that works to get them loose enough), it's a nice balance between indy and thunder for me....turns well but still stable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 26, 2017, 07:14:06 PM
To me comparing an ace to a thunder is like comparing an Indy to a venture....just different trucks....

Thunder=bigger wheelbase, turn fast but bottom out
Ace=smaller wheelbase, stable but then turn deeply.....if you ride them super loose they are just plain wild.....,

Theeves almost no longer exist.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 26, 2017, 08:02:18 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 26, 2017, 07:14:06 PM
To me comparing an ace to a thunder is like comparing an Indy to a venture....just different trucks....

Thunder=bigger wheelbase, turn fast but bottom out
Ace=smaller wheelbase, stable but then turn deeply.....if you ride them super loose they are just plain wild.....,

Theeves almost no longer exist.....


My local core shops carry them (Rip City is as core as you can get) and so do most major online shops with inventory that's current...seem like they still exist to me. Hell, if Silver, destructo and royal are still around, don't see why theeve wouldn't keep going, they have been for 10 years.

Can buy aces around here anymore tho, no one trusts the build quality even tho all the bowl guys around here do.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 26, 2017, 08:06:07 PM
Idk if it’s jist my change in skating where I cruise the streets more and don’t have time to practice back and forth on flat like I use to but I freaking love Indy standards now, been riding my 149 for the last 2 weeks and love them but I don’t know if it’s previously stated or cause of my deck...

Riding a nice broken in girl Howard 8.25 with a 14” wb and had thunders on it both 147&148 but didn’t really dig the pushed out wb feel switched to the Indys and damn my board feels like the way my old 7.8 with krux back in the days setup feels, just comfortable and broken in with little effort to adjust and do what I want

Tried the Theeves like you guys but idk, they felt too centered and pushed in for me, maybe cause I’ve only tried bones bushings and the Theeve copycats in them. Love the Indy’s so much with their turn control and small lag in response making it more predictable how your gonna pop

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 26, 2017, 08:12:56 PM
Just have to remember that theeve prototypes were using ACE plates, that should tell you something about where they borrowed their geo (and why they feel a bit more stable -to me- than indys but still less turny than ACE, good middle ground; using bones med bottoms and bones soft tops as the new theeve bones-like bushing are labeled as Hard.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 26, 2017, 08:16:48 PM
Quote from: Xen on October 26, 2017, 08:12:56 PM
Just have to remember that theeve prototypes were using ACE plates, that should tell you something about where they borrowed their geo (and why they feel a bit more stable -to me- than indys but still less turny than ACE, good middle ground; using bones med bottoms and bones soft tops

That’s what this little deja vu feeling was when I was trying the theeves! I was like this turn seems a little familiar but whatever and sadly sold my ace 44’s that I miss now after I’ve witnessed the greatness of Indy after market conicals :(

They probably would of been too unstable anyways...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 26, 2017, 08:36:48 PM
Theeves still have that ability to really hook back like an ACE.....

Indys are just a more steady turning truck which is hard to fuck with....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on October 26, 2017, 09:23:40 PM
How high are Theeves compared to an Indy? Thinking of giving the 9" model a go.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 26, 2017, 09:49:26 PM
Quote from: Lt. Frank Drebin on October 26, 2017, 09:23:40 PM
How high are Theeves compared to an Indy? Thinking of giving the 9" model a go.

The claim 55mm tall (just like standard indys) they are a hair taller than my thunders with cast plates and damn near the same height as my ACEs, I'd wager closer to 54 than 55 is that means anything to you
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on October 26, 2017, 09:53:57 PM
Quote from: Xen on October 26, 2017, 09:49:26 PM
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How high are Theeves compared to an Indy? Thinking of giving the 9" model a go.
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The claim 55mm tall (just like standard indys) they are a hair taller than my thunders with cast plates and damn near the same height as my ACEs, I'd wager closer to 54 than 55 is that means anything to you

Believe it or not, it does. Thanks for the help, you're the man Xen!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 27, 2017, 02:48:12 PM
Hey does anyone know if after market, if they are considered that, krux bushings are different from the stock? Or is it just the stock krux pivot cups and bushing set sold separately basically ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on October 27, 2017, 03:16:38 PM
Quote from: Xen on October 26, 2017, 08:02:18 PM
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To me comparing an ace to a thunder is like comparing an Indy to a venture....just different trucks....

Thunder=bigger wheelbase, turn fast but bottom out
Ace=smaller wheelbase, stable but then turn deeply.....if you ride them super loose they are just plain wild.....,

Theeves almost no longer exist.....
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My local core shops carry them (Rip City is as core as you can get) and so do most major online shops with inventory that's current...seem like they still exist to me. Hell, if Silver, destructo and royal are still around, don't see why theeve wouldn't keep going, they have been for 10 years.

Can buy aces around here anymore tho, no one trusts the build quality even tho all the bowl guys around here do.

They just hit their 10 year anniversary not too long ago but when Jordan Hoffart & Bastien Salabanzi (I’m a big fan of both) are your most marketable Pro’s, it’s hard not to look like you don’t exist in the truck market lol. You’d never guess that they had Tony & Riley Hawk on the team at one point

We need the power of SLAP & the truck thread to make them cool again. You know Krux must’ve seen a boost in their kingpin sales since the making of this thread. I love my Theeves man they cured my truck madness we can’t let them lie in irrelevance like this (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tocry.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 27, 2017, 04:42:42 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on October 27, 2017, 03:16:38 PM
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To me comparing an ace to a thunder is like comparing an Indy to a venture....just different trucks....

Thunder=bigger wheelbase, turn fast but bottom out
Ace=smaller wheelbase, stable but then turn deeply.....if you ride them super loose they are just plain wild.....,

Theeves almost no longer exist.....
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My local core shops carry them (Rip City is as core as you can get) and so do most major online shops with inventory that's current...seem like they still exist to me. Hell, if Silver, destructo and royal are still around, don't see why theeve wouldn't keep going, they have been for 10 years.

Can buy aces around here anymore tho, no one trusts the build quality even tho all the bowl guys around here do.
[close]

They just hit their 10 year anniversary not too long ago but when Jordan Hoffart & Bastien Salabanzi (I’m a big fan of both) are your most marketable Pro’s, it’s hard not to look like you don’t exist in the truck market lol. You’d never guess that they had Tony & Riley Hawk on the team at one point

We need the power of SLAP & the truck thread to make them cool again. You know Krux must’ve seen a boost in their kingpin sales since the making of this thread. I love my Theeves man they cured my truck madness we can’t let them lie in irrelevance like this (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tocry.png)

Don't forget Raybourn when he was on Slave/Theeve, then got swooped up by birdhouseindybones (tho he's on ojs now, like a boss).

The bones bushing blowout nonsese damaged their rep, much like ACEs and the build quality.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on October 27, 2017, 09:22:17 PM
It’s definitely frustrating, regarding the build quality of Ace’s. I gotta stand there and inspect every set at the local shop and choose the best looking ones (equally tapered hangers where it meets the axle, not oddly shaped and deformed looking/oval). I don’t understand how a truck can come out so drastically different from one set to another if it’s all being poured or injected into the same mold. I’m sure most people don’t even pay attention and just buy whatever set the person behind the counter hands to them, but for me I care about craftsmanship in the things that I buy. I know I know, China metal and I shouldn’t be expecting anything of that level.

The only problems I’ve had with Indy/Thunder’s is metal from the hanger spilled onto the axle, making it impossible for a bearing to spin, so if I accidentally get a set like that I have to shave away the metal with a razor blade. I’ve also noticed lots of Indy’s have off centered iron cross stamps on the baseplate, which is annoying if you have OCD like me.

Bottom line is I’ve noticed I’m not much different than rob, except I’ve never and will never skate a set of low trucks or Mini Logos. I truly have accepted that Ace totally enslaved me with the geometry, no matter what else I try I always end up going back.

Weird thing is I bought a black set to use the baseplates for added flair with the black base/silver hanger combo and they have held up way better at the pivot point than the raw ones. No widening of the hole whatsoever, while the raw baseplates always do pretty quickly when I slappy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: saltusnaut on October 28, 2017, 02:42:11 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on October 27, 2017, 03:16:38 PM
Quote from: Xen on October 26, 2017, 08:02:18 PM
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To me comparing an ace to a thunder is like comparing an Indy to a venture....just different trucks....

Thunder=bigger wheelbase, turn fast but bottom out
Ace=smaller wheelbase, stable but then turn deeply.....if you ride them super loose they are just plain wild.....,

Theeves almost no longer exist.....
[close]


My local core shops carry them (Rip City is as core as you can get) and so do most major online shops with inventory that's current...seem like they still exist to me. Hell, if Silver, destructo and royal are still around, don't see why theeve wouldn't keep going, they have been for 10 years.

Can buy aces around here anymore tho, no one trusts the build quality even tho all the bowl guys around here do.
[close]

They just hit their 10 year anniversary not too long ago but when Jordan Hoffart & Bastien Salabanzi (I’m a big fan of both) are your most marketable Pro’s, it’s hard not to look like you don’t exist in the truck market lol. You’d never guess that they had Tony & Riley Hawk on the team at one point

We need the power of SLAP & the truck thread to make them cool again. You know Krux must’ve seen a boost in their kingpin sales since the making of this thread. I love my Theeves man they cured my truck madness we can’t let them lie in irrelevance like this (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tocry.png)

I gave up on theeve after the kingpins shewed up the hole in the baseplate making them super squirrely. This happened on four occasions all within a couple of weeks getting/replacing them. And I'm not talking loose ace squirrely but rather that squirrelyness plus a freak tipping when the kingpins moved from side to side. Just a heads up. I had the tikings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on October 28, 2017, 02:57:03 AM
is it just me or is replacing splined thunder kingpins a fucking bitch
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 28, 2017, 10:39:59 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on October 28, 2017, 02:57:03 AM
is it just me or is replacing splined thunder kingpins a fucking bitch

If you know anyone handy and has a shop with tools galore or someone who has a press that’s the easiest way, pressed my kingpins in less than a min for both thunders cause I wanted my own team hollows without buying a new set
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on October 28, 2017, 08:53:13 PM
I looked at my 2 setups tonight (anti hero 7.81 with 129 Indys standard & girl 8.125 with thunder hi 147s) and thought "those thunders look pretty nice... possibly even the leader in control". So I took that setup and head over to the school ( there's an elementary school around the corner). It's a little brisk tonight so I had a hoodie on.. hood up even. I get to the school and do a few warm up ollies and kickflips.. couple curb grinds. I look down and realize I'm wearing an old Indy hoodie yet skating thunder. I look around for a second as if the skate fashion police are going to show up and suspend my license to grind. I then shake it off like "what? That's dumb" and comfort myself with what a silly thought that is. Within a few minutes I gain a cramp in my side and realize that "soon it will be time to excrete waste, i had better get home!" About halfway home (it only takes maybe 5 minutes)... the pain turns pretty severe and I'm getting nervous. I make it home and long stride down the hall to the bathroom. I proceed to have one of those shits that feels like it's coming out sideways. Coincidence or?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on October 28, 2017, 09:13:14 PM
Fuck with the truck gawds and they WILL make you pay!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on October 29, 2017, 02:21:24 AM
Quote from: rob on October 28, 2017, 10:39:59 AM
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is it just me or is replacing splined thunder kingpins a fucking bitch
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If you know anyone handy and has a shop with tools galore or someone who has a press that’s the easiest way, pressed my kingpins in less than a min for both thunders cause I wanted my own team hollows without buying a new set

i managed to hammer the fucker in but theres still a few mm of it sticking out. probably fucked the spline grooves bashing out the old kingpin/putting it in the oven
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Trollin4Tuna on October 29, 2017, 06:48:32 AM
Quote from: saltusnaut on October 28, 2017, 02:42:11 AM
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To me comparing an ace to a thunder is like comparing an Indy to a venture....just different trucks....

Thunder=bigger wheelbase, turn fast but bottom out
Ace=smaller wheelbase, stable but then turn deeply.....if you ride them super loose they are just plain wild.....,

Theeves almost no longer exist.....
[close]


My local core shops carry them (Rip City is as core as you can get) and so do most major online shops with inventory that's current...seem like they still exist to me. Hell, if Silver, destructo and royal are still around, don't see why theeve wouldn't keep going, they have been for 10 years.

Can buy aces around here anymore tho, no one trusts the build quality even tho all the bowl guys around here do.
[close]

They just hit their 10 year anniversary not too long ago but when Jordan Hoffart & Bastien Salabanzi (I’m a big fan of both) are your most marketable Pro’s, it’s hard not to look like you don’t exist in the truck market lol. You’d never guess that they had Tony & Riley Hawk on the team at one point

We need the power of SLAP & the truck thread to make them cool again. You know Krux must’ve seen a boost in their kingpin sales since the making of this thread. I love my Theeves man they cured my truck madness we can’t let them lie in irrelevance like this (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tocry.png)
[close]

I gave up on theeve after the kingpins shewed up the hole in the baseplate making them super squirrely. This happened on four occasions all within a couple of weeks getting/replacing them. And I'm not talking loose ace squirrely but rather that squirrelyness plus a freak tipping when the kingpins moved from side to side. Just a heads up. I had the tikings

Contact Theeve. It may take a while and their customer service isn’t the easiest to deal with since they are in AUS and their email response sucks but they shipped me some new base plates with hollow kingpins for free. I was trying to buy them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: saltusnaut on October 29, 2017, 11:52:37 AM
Quote from: Trollin4Tuna on October 29, 2017, 06:48:32 AM
Quote from: saltusnaut on October 28, 2017, 02:42:11 AM
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Quote from: DaSk8D00D on October 27, 2017, 03:16:38 PM
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Quote from: Xen on October 26, 2017, 08:02:18 PM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on October 26, 2017, 07:14:06 PM
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To me comparing an ace to a thunder is like comparing an Indy to a venture....just different trucks....

Thunder=bigger wheelbase, turn fast but bottom out
Ace=smaller wheelbase, stable but then turn deeply.....if you ride them super loose they are just plain wild.....,

Theeves almost no longer exist.....
[close]


My local core shops carry them (Rip City is as core as you can get) and so do most major online shops with inventory that's current...seem like they still exist to me. Hell, if Silver, destructo and royal are still around, don't see why theeve wouldn't keep going, they have been for 10 years.

Can buy aces around here anymore tho, no one trusts the build quality even tho all the bowl guys around here do.
[close]

They just hit their 10 year anniversary not too long ago but when Jordan Hoffart & Bastien Salabanzi (I’m a big fan of both) are your most marketable Pro’s, it’s hard not to look like you don’t exist in the truck market lol. You’d never guess that they had Tony & Riley Hawk on the team at one point

We need the power of SLAP & the truck thread to make them cool again. You know Krux must’ve seen a boost in their kingpin sales since the making of this thread. I love my Theeves man they cured my truck madness we can’t let them lie in irrelevance like this (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tocry.png)
[close]

I gave up on theeve after the kingpins shewed up the hole in the baseplate making them super squirrely. This happened on four occasions all within a couple of weeks getting/replacing them. And I'm not talking loose ace squirrely but rather that squirrelyness plus a freak tipping when the kingpins moved from side to side. Just a heads up. I had the tikings
[close]

Contact Theeve. It may take a while and their customer service isn’t the easiest to deal with since they are in AUS and their email response sucks but they shipped me some new base plates with hollow kingpins for free. I was trying to buy them.

That's what I did. The swedish distribution replaced them but the same problem reoccurred so I got my money back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vigo the Carpathian on October 29, 2017, 05:43:59 PM
Ventures couldn't make a frontside turn today skating tranny, going too fast, ended up over the coping, landing on my elbow.  Hadn't skated in weeks after tweaking my ankle, so I feel like my trucks got tighter.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 29, 2017, 11:01:44 PM
so I tried to trick out with the 8” trucks today and I had a feeling i was right as it was obvious to everyone, the stability was way off. Going back to the new optimal size of 8.25 trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 30, 2017, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: rob on October 29, 2017, 11:01:44 PM
so I tried to trick out with the 8” trucks today and I had a feeling i was right as it was obvious to everyone, the stability was way off. Going back to the new optimal size of 8.25 trucks

I doubt I'll fuck with 8.5" trucks for a long time, I'll still play around with 8.3s and either 44s or one of the 8.25" trucks out there (5.5/148/144/etc); the 8.25" trucks are just right and work with a lot of deck widths (without tweaking the ocd buttons).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on October 30, 2017, 01:31:42 PM
Are you guys ready for this shit?  Ace says they've "precisely measured" all of their models and came out with a new size chart.  8.12 axle width on 44's?  I've measured them with a tape measure and get 8.38 as many have said on here.  God I wish they could get their shit together.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ba4PRGSBXvl/?taken-by=acetrucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on October 30, 2017, 01:48:38 PM
^ yeah it looks like they mismeasured the 44’s. Have never skated aces but the gap between the 33s & 44s is the smallest on the chart, and 8.38” looks more in line with what you’d expect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 30, 2017, 02:30:47 PM
Quote from: jamersonbass on October 30, 2017, 01:31:42 PM
Are you guys ready for this shit?  Ace says they've "precisely measured" all of their models and came out with a new size chart.  8.12 axle width on 44's?  I've measured them with a tape measure and get 8.38 as many have said on here.  God I wish they could get their shit together.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ba4PRGSBXvl/?taken-by=acetrucks

Bullshit unless they've changed up there sizing on new runs (hangers from a purchase a few months ago)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/edPSJjfm_LvbURQ4sEF-luxLpdYZR2KmK6Wkd1-dmuSqb9wMSXRuBQHP7XS9Vsprw7AVTqJDpMCqW34Xw5CF9tuAiWTr0Qn-U2wbgruQSGjVSsnqYjZvJWx2e_YzzxjSAEbQRTH8yt4)

8.13 was what the actual old 33 measurements were.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on October 30, 2017, 02:32:15 PM
Yeah, you need about 2.6" of space left for your wheels - if you add 2.6 to every hanger width, I think that'd be the axle width, which would also correspond to what we know the 44's are, which is 8.38

edit: acetrucks just mentioned that they are correcting said chart

editx2: here it is

(https://scontent-dft4-3.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/22857876_288984641614853_8481890974522408960_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on October 30, 2017, 07:24:02 PM
8 3/8" = 44s
8 7/8"= 55s

ace need to make a 8 5/8" inbetweener
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 30, 2017, 07:30:12 PM
Yah it's probably another senseless way of measuring trucks.....like 'well it's the effective axel meaning we don't include where the axel nut is!'

Or....it's possible the set they measured was bent......it happens.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 30, 2017, 08:38:43 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 30, 2017, 07:30:12 PM
Yah it's probably another senseless way of measuring trucks.....like 'well it's the effective axel meaning we don't include where the axel nut is!'

Or....it's possible the set they measured was bent......it happens.....

Hahaha damn roasted!...

Yeah and the 03 I had were actually more a 7.875/7.9 not a good 8” like thunder 147 or Indy 139 being a very true 8”
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on October 31, 2017, 03:20:29 AM
it's probably been answered 53485348 times but what's the change like going from 149 thunder team highs to 149 indy stage 11s? figure i'm just gonna get new trucks and a change could be in order, i've heard indys tend to be much more carvier but you lose some of the responsiveness you tend to get with thunders?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on October 31, 2017, 03:36:44 AM
I’m going to pick up a Zip Zinger. I’ve always wanted Aces due to the almost cult like praise they usually get but the number of and types of problems even with the resdigns have scared me away. However, I am again, really salivating over Aces.


I know most people who get Aces get 44’s or 55’s but can anyone tell me well are aces at smaller sizes like 22s or should I just stick with Indys?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on October 31, 2017, 08:23:11 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on October 31, 2017, 03:20:29 AM
it's probably been answered 53485348 times but what's the change like going from 149 thunder team highs to 149 indy stage 11s? figure i'm just gonna get new trucks and a change could be in order, i've heard indys tend to be much more carvier but you lose some of the responsiveness you tend to get with thunders?

The big thing is the change in wheelbase and height.  Thunders are lower than Indy's and push the wheelbase farther out.  They also have what I consider a "sportier turn".  Indy's always feel good to me after bouncing around between Thunder's and Ace's.  The Indy aftermarket bushings are superior to the stock ones, but Thunder stock bushings are great once they break in.

Also, you can't noseslide or tailslide with Thunders...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: imad on October 31, 2017, 09:44:18 AM
I can't believe owners of a truck company can't even properly measure their own trucks and have the capacity to double check their measurements before making a chart and posting it on Instagram. Lay off the weed and measure a set that's not defective and bent.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 31, 2017, 01:34:51 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on October 31, 2017, 03:36:44 AM
I’m going to pick up a Zip Zinger. I’ve always wanted Aces due to the almost cult like praise they usually get but the number of and types of problems even with the resdigns have scared me away. However, I am again, really salivating over Aces.


I know most people who get Aces get 44’s or 55’s but can anyone tell me well are aces at smaller sizes like 22s or should I just stick with Indys?

They look sick and they are just going on a zip zinger......id get em...but on my zip zinger I repurposed an old set of indys.....I think there's lots of old 129's out there.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on October 31, 2017, 02:39:28 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on October 31, 2017, 03:36:44 AM
I’m going to pick up a Zip Zinger. I’ve always wanted Aces due to the almost cult like praise they usually get but the number of and types of problems even with the resdigns have scared me away. However, I am again, really salivating over Aces.


I know most people who get Aces get 44’s or 55’s but can anyone tell me well are aces at smaller sizes like 22s or should I just stick with Indys?

Get the 22's, they'll be great.

Or.. I had a pair of thunder lights 147's with raisers on it and it felt so good on the zinger. The extra width made the whole setup feel a little more stable for such a small board. Nimble but stable, yo gabba gabba. The 33's are slightly smaller (7.875ish) than the 147/139's so they'll be even better too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on October 31, 2017, 07:43:37 PM
Quote from: jamersonbass on October 31, 2017, 08:23:11 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on October 31, 2017, 03:20:29 AM
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it's probably been answered 53485348 times but what's the change like going from 149 thunder team highs to 149 indy stage 11s? figure i'm just gonna get new trucks and a change could be in order, i've heard indys tend to be much more carvier but you lose some of the responsiveness you tend to get with thunders?
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The big thing is the change in wheelbase and height.  Thunders are lower than Indy's and push the wheelbase farther out.  They also have what I consider a "sportier turn".  Indy's always feel good to me after bouncing around between Thunder's and Ace's.  The Indy aftermarket bushings are superior to the stock ones, but Thunder stock bushings are great once they break in.

Also, you can't noseslide or tailslide with Thunders...
My god yes... the white super softs are all I can possibly skate. Just buy a new set every 8 months or so.  And my god yes I thought I was going crazy with my last pair of thunders! I would nose/tailslide all day for weeks just to try to get the baseplates nice and warn in, but no marks ever appeared. Something abouth thunder's geometry doesn't let me to grind down the baseplates. so weird.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 31, 2017, 09:38:00 PM
Quote from: umad on October 31, 2017, 09:44:18 AM
I can't believe owners of a truck company can't even properly measure their own trucks and have the capacity to double check their measurements before making a chart and posting it on Instagram. Lay off the weed and measure a set that's not defective and bent.

I said pretty much the same thing in my head when I saw the chart. It's no wonder they can't get a grasp on their QC.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on November 01, 2017, 08:11:40 AM
Quote from: Bizarro Jerry on October 31, 2017, 07:43:37 PM
Quote from: jamersonbass on October 31, 2017, 08:23:11 AM
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Quote from: cosmicgypsies on October 31, 2017, 03:20:29 AM
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it's probably been answered 53485348 times but what's the change like going from 149 thunder team highs to 149 indy stage 11s? figure i'm just gonna get new trucks and a change could be in order, i've heard indys tend to be much more carvier but you lose some of the responsiveness you tend to get with thunders?
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The big thing is the change in wheelbase and height.  Thunders are lower than Indy's and push the wheelbase farther out.  They also have what I consider a "sportier turn".  Indy's always feel good to me after bouncing around between Thunder's and Ace's.  The Indy aftermarket bushings are superior to the stock ones, but Thunder stock bushings are great once they break in.

Also, you can't noseslide or tailslide with Thunders...
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My god yes... the white super softs are all I can possibly skate. Just buy a new set every 8 months or so.  And my god yes I thought I was going crazy with my last pair of thunders! I would nose/tailslide all day for weeks just to try to get the baseplates nice and warn in, but no marks ever appeared. Something abouth thunder's geometry doesn't let me to grind down the baseplates. so weird.

Yeah DLX needs to come out with an extended baseplate for thunders. Maybe even a slightly higher forged plate so they don’t have all these mix&match cast plates+titanium hanger setups in their product lineup. It’s almost too many options at this point

Can’t be the leader in control if you can’t lock into slides as well as other trucks amiright? There’s just something about hearing that baseplate scrape while you slide that makes those tricks that much more satisfying. Hoesntly id probably make the switch back to thunder if they fixed that
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on November 01, 2017, 08:49:53 AM
Quote from: Bizarro Jerry on October 31, 2017, 07:43:37 PM
Quote from: jamersonbass on October 31, 2017, 08:23:11 AM
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it's probably been answered 53485348 times but what's the change like going from 149 thunder team highs to 149 indy stage 11s? figure i'm just gonna get new trucks and a change could be in order, i've heard indys tend to be much more carvier but you lose some of the responsiveness you tend to get with thunders?
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The big thing is the change in wheelbase and height.  Thunders are lower than Indy's and push the wheelbase farther out.  They also have what I consider a "sportier turn".  Indy's always feel good to me after bouncing around between Thunder's and Ace's.  The Indy aftermarket bushings are superior to the stock ones, but Thunder stock bushings are great once they break in.

Also, you can't noseslide or tailslide with Thunders...
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My god yes... the white super softs are all I can possibly skate. Just buy a new set every 8 months or so.  And my god yes I thought I was going crazy with my last pair of thunders! I would nose/tailslide all day for weeks just to try to get the baseplates nice and warn in, but no marks ever appeared. Something abouth thunder's geometry doesn't let me to grind down the baseplates. so weird.

I was totally joking about noseslides and tailslides. It came up in another thread.

Yeah, the baseplate doesn't make contact as well as other trucks but it doesn't seem to affect some of the most technical skaters in the world (Ishod, Shane, Miles, x 100 more).  I know Thunder has a prototype in the wild with an extended baseplate.  It was referenced earlier in this thread I think.  I'd love to give those a go.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 01, 2017, 09:25:03 AM
Quote from: jamersonbass on November 01, 2017, 08:49:53 AM
Quote from: Bizarro Jerry on October 31, 2017, 07:43:37 PM
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Quote from: jamersonbass on October 31, 2017, 08:23:11 AM
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it's probably been answered 53485348 times but what's the change like going from 149 thunder team highs to 149 indy stage 11s? figure i'm just gonna get new trucks and a change could be in order, i've heard indys tend to be much more carvier but you lose some of the responsiveness you tend to get with thunders?
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The big thing is the change in wheelbase and height.  Thunders are lower than Indy's and push the wheelbase farther out.  They also have what I consider a "sportier turn".  Indy's always feel good to me after bouncing around between Thunder's and Ace's.  The Indy aftermarket bushings are superior to the stock ones, but Thunder stock bushings are great once they break in.

Also, you can't noseslide or tailslide with Thunders...
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My god yes... the white super softs are all I can possibly skate. Just buy a new set every 8 months or so.  And my god yes I thought I was going crazy with my last pair of thunders! I would nose/tailslide all day for weeks just to try to get the baseplates nice and warn in, but no marks ever appeared. Something abouth thunder's geometry doesn't let me to grind down the baseplates. so weird.
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I was totally joking about noseslides and tailslides. It came up in another thread.

Yeah, the baseplate doesn't make contact as well as other trucks but it doesn't seem to affect some of the most technical skaters in the world (Ishod, Shane, Miles, x 100 more).  I know Thunder has a prototype in the wild with an extended baseplate.  It was referenced earlier in this thread I think.  I'd love to give those a go.

Quote from: LennyDLXSF on April 05, 2016, 03:18:40 PM
I assure you, Thunders work great for nosesides and tailslides!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on November 01, 2017, 09:42:40 AM
In my experience with thunders and slides, it’s almost as if you have to hold your weight straight down on the tail and keep it centered or it’ll spin off the ledge early, whereas with ventures, Theeve, & Indy, that baseplate scrape keeps you from over rotating and gives you a little more room for error upon the initial lock-in.

I just saw an ishod clip on insta recently where he did a long ass tailslide kickflip out so obviously they’re doable, but there is definitely a little less room for error for us mere mortals, especially if you’re approaching a really long slide where you have to go pretty fast. I’m always a lot more nervous doing that with thunders than other trucks cuz it’s real easy to over rotate on that lock in and spin out and eat shit, or under rotate and have the board just wedge into the ledge and stick. It could very well be all mental but there’s just something about having that baseplate as point of reference to kind of gauge your positioning that gives me more confidence
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on November 01, 2017, 12:27:24 PM
Quote from: Esquivel on November 01, 2017, 09:25:03 AM
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it's probably been answered 53485348 times but what's the change like going from 149 thunder team highs to 149 indy stage 11s? figure i'm just gonna get new trucks and a change could be in order, i've heard indys tend to be much more carvier but you lose some of the responsiveness you tend to get with thunders?
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The big thing is the change in wheelbase and height.  Thunders are lower than Indy's and push the wheelbase farther out.  They also have what I consider a "sportier turn".  Indy's always feel good to me after bouncing around between Thunder's and Ace's.  The Indy aftermarket bushings are superior to the stock ones, but Thunder stock bushings are great once they break in.

Also, you can't noseslide or tailslide with Thunders...
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My god yes... the white super softs are all I can possibly skate. Just buy a new set every 8 months or so.  And my god yes I thought I was going crazy with my last pair of thunders! I would nose/tailslide all day for weeks just to try to get the baseplates nice and warn in, but no marks ever appeared. Something abouth thunder's geometry doesn't let me to grind down the baseplates. so weird.
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I was totally joking about noseslides and tailslides. It came up in another thread.

Yeah, the baseplate doesn't make contact as well as other trucks but it doesn't seem to affect some of the most technical skaters in the world (Ishod, Shane, Miles, x 100 more).  I know Thunder has a prototype in the wild with an extended baseplate.  It was referenced earlier in this thread I think.  I'd love to give those a go.
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I assure you, Thunders work great for nosesides and tailslides!
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I mean I didn't really have a problem actually doing nose/tail slides, it's just that I never got my baseplate worn down. And tbh I like having my baseplate get some damage on it, kinda like how I like having nice grooves in my trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 03, 2017, 03:12:32 AM
^at work right now but when I get home later I will post a pic of my worn as fuck thunder pivot socket (but will first have to remove the embarrassing, shitty graphics). My only objection would be that since im a tool and mostly skate parks, all i slide on is perfect angle iron. If i was skating rounded, worn of curbs i would expect the baseplates to not touch on the curb as much.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on November 03, 2017, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: Esquivel on November 03, 2017, 03:12:32 AM
^at work right now but when I get home later I will post a pic of my worn as fuck thunder pivot socket (but will first have to remove the embarrassing, shitty graphics). My only objection would be that since im a tool and mostly skate parks, all i slide on is perfect angle iron. If i was skating rounded, worn of curbs i would expect the baseplates to not touch on the curb as much.
You're not a tool! I can pretty much skate only parks nowadays anyays for a few reasons, but even with angle iron boxes and skatepark ledges for some reason my thunder baseplates never made contact.  Maybe I just suck... maybe thunder's geometry doesn't work with my nose/tailslides.  All I know is that with indies my baseplates get plenty worn down.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on November 03, 2017, 11:51:19 PM
Probably one of the better indy vs thunder comparative reviews I've seen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgqZtaiI_X4
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: -- on November 04, 2017, 08:00:10 AM
Quote from: franquietits on November 03, 2017, 11:51:19 PM
Probably one of the better indy vs thunder comparative reviews I've seen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgqZtaiI_X4
he touched on all the reasons why i like thunders... except that i like to skate loose and i can't do that with 53mm wheels and not get wheelbite every so often
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lorn Au Arcos on November 04, 2017, 08:17:15 AM
Quote from: -- on November 04, 2017, 08:00:10 AM
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Probably one of the better indy vs thunder comparative reviews I've seen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgqZtaiI_X4
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he touched on all the reasons why i like thunders... except that i like to skate loose and i can't do that with 53mm wheels and not get wheelbite every so often

I could not sit through that but how is WheelBase a concept he has never considered?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 04, 2017, 08:40:52 AM
Background props......#internetfamous

I think he knows about wheelbase, he's just saying how the trucks affect it.....

The gap and steepness is pretty much the argument of quick vs. steep in terms of pop....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: alraunen on November 05, 2017, 12:51:35 PM
Today I broke the hollow kingping of a Thunder, I have a spare hollow kingping but I read long time ago that it's a fucking hell to replace it, any special tip? It's broken under the baseplant if that helps... 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on November 06, 2017, 06:12:57 AM
Quote from: alraunen on November 05, 2017, 12:51:35 PM
Today I broke the hollow kingping of a Thunder, I have a spare hollow kingping but I read long time ago that it's a fucking hell to replace it, any special tip? It's broken under the baseplant if that helps...
In my experience manhole-covers are best for this, place baseplate over the hole and just hammer that fucker out there with that broken kingpin you got, doesn’t come easy though... good luck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on November 06, 2017, 06:24:03 AM
^put it in oven for 10 min first, will be easier to get it out (works with cast baseplate, must be helpfull with forged)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: alraunen on November 06, 2017, 11:54:06 AM
^^thanks guys, I done it before with independents but looks more difficult this time because the kingping is slightly deformed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on November 07, 2017, 05:12:38 AM
some words of wisdom for you crazybat shithead...
149 indy with black aftermarket cilinder bushings is the truth ;)
been riding the same set of bushings for over a year, still no reason to buy new ones, they're immortals
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on November 07, 2017, 06:56:20 AM
Quote from: clamy on November 07, 2017, 03:36:06 AM
I don't see what's so good about Krux bushings in Aces.

My trucks were squeaking a lot, so I swapped out some 18 month old stock bushings with Krux bushings (ended up being a squeaking pivot cup). The Krux bushings felt clunky, they made the trucks looser, but they lost that turn I was used to. I'm going back to the Ace stock bushings, they're a little tight when new, but once broken in you then get a nice sharp turn that's stable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 07, 2017, 07:16:14 AM
Quote from: the snake on November 07, 2017, 05:12:38 AM
some words of wisdom for you crazybat shithead...
149 indy with black aftermarket cilinder bushings is the truth ;)
been riding the same set of bushings for over a year, still no reason to buy new ones, they're immortals

And probably don't turn? They're super hard!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on November 07, 2017, 08:00:30 AM
Quote from: Xen on November 07, 2017, 07:16:14 AM
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some words of wisdom for you crazybat shithead...
149 indy with black aftermarket cilinder bushings is the truth ;)
been riding the same set of bushings for over a year, still no reason to buy new ones, they're immortals
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And probably don't turn? They're super hard!
I won't lie, I felt my knees slowly dying after the first sesh, but that was the breaking in, now they're just perfect, so just ride them on a beer set-up/cruiser first, and apreciate the perfect feeling trucks after that
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on November 07, 2017, 08:44:53 AM
...and let's call it the "Nefertitties" 8)
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/dc9562104ec3c85fd6eb498c3187679f/tumblr_mz8zd4Y88y1t6ocs0o1_250.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 09, 2017, 04:57:45 PM
So the dude in the video suggests boards with room before the kick should be ridden with Thunders and those with no room should ride indy styles? Kook.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 09, 2017, 07:40:23 PM
i think he just likes it steep ie. Indys w. BBS/ Generator.....it's preference......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 10, 2017, 04:27:04 AM
I noticed Daan Van Der Linden is riding Ace’s in the Spitfire “Thrash and Burn Charred Remains” video. Seems like more and more Indy riders get curious and end up trying Ace’s. Andrew Allen was on them for awhile, Cardiel, Blender, Agah, Barker Barrett...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 10, 2017, 02:52:36 PM
Quote from: Xen on November 09, 2017, 04:57:45 PM
So the dude in the video suggests boards with room before the kick should be ridden with Thunders and those with no room should ride indy styles? Kook.

I’m a kook who backs this kooky suggestion

I feel like the space between the top bolt holes and the kick is a hint of how long the wheelbase is

Therefore you get a more responsive pop with the pushed out kick with pushed out hangar thunder geometry
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 10, 2017, 07:00:21 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on November 10, 2017, 04:27:04 AM
I noticed Daan Van Der Linden is riding Ace’s in the Spitfire “Thrash and Burn Charred Remains” video. Seems like more and more Indy riders get curious and end up trying Ace’s. Andrew Allen was on them for awhile, Cardiel, Blender, Agah, Barker Barrett...

But they all seem to go back to Indy (or indy decides to float them a paycheck...Fletcher, most of the Bloodwizard dudes)...it's as if being on anything but Indy or Thunder puts you in the kook camp.

That said, I ran my ACEs a few days last week (on a long wheelbase) and now I'm fucked again :P been forcing myself to ride thinner/shorter shit and I don't think it's working out.

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So the dude in the video suggests boards with room before the kick should be ridden with Thunders and those with no room should ride indy styles? Kook.
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I’m a kook who backs this kooky suggestion

I feel like the space between the top bolt holes and the kick is a hint of how long the wheelbase is

Therefore you get a more responsive pop with the pushed out kick with pushed out hangar thunder geometry

Quote from: j....soy..... on November 09, 2017, 07:40:23 PM
i think he just likes it steep ie. Indys w. BBS/ Generator.....it's preference......

I get that it's preference...I can't recall if the 'Prof' mentioned trucks when that video was made about the space before the kick...anyone have a link to that? Found this one but isn't there another?
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZdDsicDafw

I prefer no space after the truck (with Thunders)


Unrelated: I've noticed a significant amount to boards getting longer....lots of 32.12, 32.22, 32.25/.5 but still short wheelbases...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 10, 2017, 08:07:37 PM
I think he actually did one about the gap which arguably contradicts his argument for risers.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on November 11, 2017, 04:33:18 AM
It was actually this written article: http://theridechannel.com/features/2016/08/paul-schmitt-skateboard-workshop-visit

To sum it up: more pop = less gap, more control = more gap

-I think with the risers he was just making the argument that extra height requires more pop force [or energy], resulting in a better/higher pop. The less gap just means better leverage for pop, depending on the trucks, also. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on November 11, 2017, 07:06:56 AM
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 11, 2017, 09:50:11 AM
one thing that doesn't work for me is loosey-goosey trucks. I've ridden my trucks like that the last two and a half years. but a couple days ago, I changed out the pivot cups and tightened the kingpins on my indys and I had much better pop and consistency when I skated yesterday. gonna stick with medium looseness/tightness from now on. I'm not daewon song or matt rodriguez ffs. it's like when people say I didn't learn to read music because paul mccartney and jimi hendrix never did and look at them. well, hate to break it to you, bud, but you're not those people. you most likely would have benefited from learning to read music. that's my rant for the day.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 11, 2017, 10:56:22 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on November 11, 2017, 09:50:11 AM
one thing that doesn't work for me is loosey-goosey trucks. I've ridden my trucks like that the last two and a half years. but a couple days ago, I changed out the pivot cups and tightened the kingpins on my indys and I had much better pop and consistency when I skated yesterday. gonna stick with medium looseness/tightness from now on. I'm not daewon song or matt rodriguez ffs. it's like when people say I didn't learn to read music because paul mccartney and jimi hendrix never did and look at them. well, hate to break it to you, bud, but you're not those people. you most likely would have benefited from learning to read music. that's my rant for the day.

Haha so true, I did the same where I was riding medium and when I tightened my trucks to medium tight all of a sudden I was ollieing stairs and landing all my flat ground tricks better and more consistently 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on November 13, 2017, 11:52:56 AM
Quote from: Xen on November 10, 2017, 07:00:21 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on November 10, 2017, 04:27:04 AM
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I noticed Daan Van Der Linden is riding Ace’s in the Spitfire “Thrash and Burn Charred Remains” video. Seems like more and more Indy riders get curious and end up trying Ace’s. Andrew Allen was on them for awhile, Cardiel, Blender, Agah, Barker Barrett...
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But they all seem to go back to Indy (or indy decides to float them a paycheck...Fletcher, most of the Bloodwizard dudes)...it's as if being on anything but Indy or Thunder puts you in the kook camp.

That said, I ran my ACEs a few days last week (on a long wheelbase) and now I'm fucked again :P been forcing myself to ride thinner/shorter shit and I don't think it's working out.

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So the dude in the video suggests boards with room before the kick should be ridden with Thunders and those with no room should ride indy styles? Kook.
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I’m a kook who backs this kooky suggestion

I feel like the space between the top bolt holes and the kick is a hint of how long the wheelbase is

Therefore you get a more responsive pop with the pushed out kick with pushed out hangar thunder geometry
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Quote from: j....soy..... on November 09, 2017, 07:40:23 PM
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i think he just likes it steep ie. Indys w. BBS/ Generator.....it's preference......
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I get that it's preference...I can't recall if the 'Prof' mentioned trucks when that video was made about the space before the kick...anyone have a link to that? Found this one but isn't there another?
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZdDsicDafw

I prefer no space after the truck (with Thunders)


Unrelated: I've noticed a significant amount to boards getting longer....lots of 32.12, 32.22, 32.25/.5 but still short wheelbases...

In this video they actually give some figures for the angle of the deck when the tail touches down.  If I remember they changed it from 35 to 37 or something.  This is the angle that you can measure on your deck using the level on your iPhone.  Ace vs Thunder, fingers of flat, risers, wheel diameter etc. all boil down to that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on November 14, 2017, 01:12:32 AM
Quote from: franquietits on November 11, 2017, 04:33:18 AM
It was actually this written article: http://theridechannel.com/features/2016/08/paul-schmitt-skateboard-workshop-visit

To sum it up: more pop = less gap, more control = more gap

-I think with the risers he was just making the argument that extra height requires more pop force [or energy], resulting in a better/higher pop. The less gap just means better leverage for pop, depending on the trucks, also.

Doesn’t kick height do more for pop than the wheelbase?

I don’t know. This seems to have some merit.


http://youtu.be/xj_9Yr6P1qE




Plus I’ve always thought I got more pop with forged Indys vs the cast ones because they are a little lower.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 14, 2017, 01:28:22 AM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on November 14, 2017, 01:12:32 AM
Quote from: franquietits on November 11, 2017, 04:33:18 AM
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It was actually this written article: http://theridechannel.com/features/2016/08/paul-schmitt-skateboard-workshop-visit

To sum it up: more pop = less gap, more control = more gap

-I think with the risers he was just making the argument that extra height requires more pop force [or energy], resulting in a better/higher pop. The less gap just means better leverage for pop, depending on the trucks, also.
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Doesn’t kick height do more for pop than the wheelbase?

I don’t know. This seems to have some merit.


http://youtu.be/xj_9Yr6P1qE




Plus I’ve always thought I got more pop with forged Indys vs the cast ones because they are a little lower.

I feel like it does and that’s explains why I would usually like a lower truck(52mm height max) and ride my decks backwards cause the way the nose is kicked high up is evened out with my low trucks for popping as a tail, plus the nose as a tail gave me more confidence in my back foot getting more area on the board when you see your deck has the shortest smallest tail to pop off of if you ride your board the normal way forward
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on November 14, 2017, 01:58:50 AM
Quote from: rob on November 14, 2017, 01:28:22 AM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on November 14, 2017, 01:12:32 AM
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Quote from: franquietits on November 11, 2017, 04:33:18 AM
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It was actually this written article: http://theridechannel.com/features/2016/08/paul-schmitt-skateboard-workshop-visit

To sum it up: more pop = less gap, more control = more gap

-I think with the risers he was just making the argument that extra height requires more pop force [or energy], resulting in a better/higher pop. The less gap just means better leverage for pop, depending on the trucks, also.
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Doesn’t kick height do more for pop than the wheelbase?

I don’t know. This seems to have some merit.


http://youtu.be/xj_9Yr6P1qE




Plus I’ve always thought I got more pop with forged Indys vs the cast ones because they are a little lower.
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I feel like it does and that’s explains why I would usually like a lower truck(52mm height max) and ride my decks backwards cause the way the nose is kicked high up is evened out with my low trucks for popping as a tail, plus the nose as a tail gave me more confidence in my back foot getting more area on the board when you see your deck has the shortest smallest tail to pop off of if you ride your board the normal way forward

Not trying to be a dick at all but what’s the point of lower trucks if you’re going to use the nose as the tail?


Like wouldn’t using the nose as the tail with standard thunders be equivalent to say Indy standards and using the tail as the tail?


Edit. Also it seems  weird that according to Schmitt all you need to ollie higher is taller truck? Then why not just use like 5 risers and 1-2 inch bolts?


I don’t know about the science of it and maybe its just all in my head but again I feel like with the same deck I get a snappier pop with forged Indy’s vs the the standard base plate. Maybe it’s the weight difference but since both trucks I used had hollow kingpins and axles I cant imagine that the weight had more to do with it than the truck hight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 14, 2017, 08:29:49 AM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on November 14, 2017, 01:58:50 AM
Quote from: rob on November 14, 2017, 01:28:22 AM
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Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on November 14, 2017, 01:12:32 AM
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Quote from: franquietits on November 11, 2017, 04:33:18 AM
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It was actually this written article: http://theridechannel.com/features/2016/08/paul-schmitt-skateboard-workshop-visit

To sum it up: more pop = less gap, more control = more gap

-I think with the risers he was just making the argument that extra height requires more pop force [or energy], resulting in a better/higher pop. The less gap just means better leverage for pop, depending on the trucks, also.
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Doesn’t kick height do more for pop than the wheelbase?

I don’t know. This seems to have some merit.


Plus I’ve always thought I got more pop with forged Indys vs the cast ones because they are a little lower.
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I feel like it does and that’s explains why I would usually like a lower truck(52mm height max) and ride my decks backwards cause the way the nose is kicked high up is evened out with my low trucks for popping as a tail, plus the nose as a tail gave me more confidence in my back foot getting more area on the board when you see your deck has the shortest smallest tail to pop off of if you ride your board the normal way forward
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Not trying to be a dick at all but what’s the point of lower trucks if you’re going to use the nose as the tail?


Like wouldn’t using the nose as the tail with standard thunders be equivalent to say Indy standards and using the tail as the tail?


Edit. Also it seems  weird that according to Schmitt all you need to ollie higher is taller truck? Then why not just use like 5 risers and 1-2 inch bolts?


I don’t know about the science of it and maybe its just all in my head but again I feel like with the same deck I get a snappier pop with forged Indy’s vs the the standard base plate. Maybe it’s the weight difference but since both trucks I used had hollow kingpins and axles I cant imagine that the weight had more to do with it than the truck hight.

Obviously the science is there for how you ride - some people care (Daewon), others don't...finger test, wheelbase, kick height, concave, width, truck height, yadda yadda...so many variables. I skate better on thunders because I am more comfortable on them, seemingly due to their lower height and impact on WB (case in point, I switched over to thunders on my flight deck which was feeling cramped using theeves or indys, put the thunders on and it was instantly better comfort-wise (but I still fought transition harder than on theeves or indys); the hardest thing for me is WB, 14.25" fucks with my head but hte bigger you go the bigger the boards get and that sucks - if I was better at CAD I'd have perfected my shit by now.

Back in the 80s we tried just that just for fun: steep-ass H-Street boards with hotrod style risers in the back - it was more effort than desired of course and didn't net results...that said, steep tails work better for me and I assume kicks that start after the bolts as I have always been about pop/height and speed and not finesse




Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 14, 2017, 12:51:50 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on November 14, 2017, 01:58:50 AM
Quote from: rob on November 14, 2017, 01:28:22 AM
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Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on November 14, 2017, 01:12:32 AM
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Quote from: franquietits on November 11, 2017, 04:33:18 AM
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It was actually this written article: http://theridechannel.com/features/2016/08/paul-schmitt-skateboard-workshop-visit

To sum it up: more pop = less gap, more control = more gap

-I think with the risers he was just making the argument that extra height requires more pop force [or energy], resulting in a better/higher pop. The less gap just means better leverage for pop, depending on the trucks, also.
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Doesn’t kick height do more for pop than the wheelbase?

I don’t know. This seems to have some merit.


http://youtu.be/xj_9Yr6P1qE




Plus I’ve always thought I got more pop with forged Indys vs the cast ones because they are a little lower.
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I feel like it does and that’s explains why I would usually like a lower truck(52mm height max) and ride my decks backwards cause the way the nose is kicked high up is evened out with my low trucks for popping as a tail, plus the nose as a tail gave me more confidence in my back foot getting more area on the board when you see your deck has the shortest smallest tail to pop off of if you ride your board the normal way forward
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Not trying to be a dick at all but what’s the point of lower trucks if you’re going to use the nose as the tail?


Like wouldn’t using the nose as the tail with standard thunders be equivalent to say Indy standards and using the tail as the tail?


Edit. Also it seems  weird that according to Schmitt all you need to ollie higher is taller truck? Then why not just use like 5 risers and 1-2 inch bolts?


I don’t know about the science of it and maybe its just all in my head but again I feel like with the same deck I get a snappier pop with forged Indy’s vs the the standard base plate. Maybe it’s the weight difference but since both trucks I used had hollow kingpins and axles I cant imagine that the weight had more to do with it than the truck hight.

Lower trucks have more control, also I said I feel more comfy having a big tail to pop off

I don’t like my back foot standing on a itty bitty tail, I like the way old school/ shapes boards will have a big square tail and low nose but I get ocd after a few days of I ride a shaped if it isn’t a somewhat symmetrical looking shape so I don’t have to make sure the board is frontward or backwards

Also using the regular big nose for flip tricks it flops too fast and much for me, using the tail makes the flip slower but I like the feel
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 14, 2017, 06:40:00 PM
We’re almost to page 100!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on November 15, 2017, 07:18:26 AM
If your trucks are down to the axle (just) and then snap a kingpin, are you allowed to take an angle grinder to the replacement once in situ to make it flush to your remaining hanger clearance or do you have to come to an abrupt halt every time you grind until it is a non-protrusion?

and yes, thunder king pins are a nightmare to remove. I screwed the baseplate to a chunk of wood and hit it with the closest thing to Mjolnir I could find.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on November 15, 2017, 03:59:15 PM
I used a spark plug socket (any deep socket big enough would work) to support the baseplate and give room for the kingpin when I was replacing one.  Also, be sure to keep the broken one because you will use it as a tool to get the new one in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on November 15, 2017, 06:33:01 PM
Well, i thought the yard sale Stage 8s I bought a while back were going to be some holy grail shit but I ended up hating them. Now I've got a really nice 8.25 deck I can barely ride.

Really unstable feeling on center but I didn't like their carve either.

I wish they'd make a Venture Hi in 8.25 since I'm used to their surfy turn. Between Thunder, Krux, and Destructo do any have a similar feel? I briefly had some Thunder 149ers before the Mark II version and they were wheelbite city for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chodekaka on November 15, 2017, 07:01:35 PM
Quote from: Willie on November 15, 2017, 06:33:01 PM
Well, i thought the yard sale Stage 8s I bought a while back were going to be some holy grail shit but I ended up hating them. Now I've got a really nice 8.25 deck I can barely ride.

Really unstable feeling on center but I didn't like their carve either.

I wish they'd make a Venture Hi in 8.25 since I'm used to their surfy turn. Between Thunder, Krux, and Destructo do any have a similar feel? I briefly had some Thunder 149ers before the Mark II version and they were wheelbite city for me.
I think KRUX would be the most like ventures of those three, never tried destructos though. Silver L class have a similar geometry to ventures and come in 8.25 but I wouldn’t recommend them. Have you tried the 5.8s on 8.25?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shadow on November 15, 2017, 07:47:53 PM
Quote from: Willie on November 15, 2017, 06:33:01 PM
Well, i thought the yard sale Stage 8s I bought a while back were going to be some holy grail shit but I ended up hating them. Now I've got a really nice 8.25 deck I can barely ride.

Really unstable feeling on center but I didn't like their carve either.

I wish they'd make a Venture Hi in 8.25 since I'm used to their surfy turn. Between Thunder, Krux, and Destructo do any have a similar feel? I briefly had some Thunder 149ers before the Mark II version and they were wheelbite city for me.

Venture 5.8s would work with an 8.25 if you're using slimmer wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 15, 2017, 08:41:34 PM
Quote from: clamy on November 07, 2017, 03:36:06 AM
I don't see what's so good about Krux bushings in Aces.

My trucks were squeaking a lot, so I swapped out some 18 month old stock bushings with Krux bushings (ended up being a squeaking pivot cup). The Krux bushings felt clunky, they made the trucks looser, but they lost that turn I was used to. I'm going back to the Ace stock bushings, they're a little tight when new, but once broken in you then get a nice sharp turn that's stable.

I recently swapped out my krux bushings for the 84a (soft) Mini log bushings ...really good feel and the top bushing is low profile as any low truck out there (they are after all lows) so paired with the krux pin there is mucho clearance -  quite pleased with them in ACEs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on November 16, 2017, 06:26:31 AM
If anyone was wondering, this set up works perfectly for me and always has in the past. Bushings have never blow out, pancaked out, or cracked.



(https://s18.postimg.org/5bvaiuvk9/IMG_1058.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chodekaka on November 16, 2017, 10:55:17 AM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on November 16, 2017, 06:26:31 AM
If anyone was wondering, this set up works perfectly for me and always has in the past. Bushings have never blow out, pancaked out, or cracked.



(https://s18.postimg.org/5bvaiuvk9/IMG_1058.jpg)
I’ve noticed if I put bones bushings in thunders without the bottom washer then the geometry slackens a bit, and the hanger puts pressure on the kingpin/bushing until either the kingpin is loose or the bushing cracks. That never happens to you? Maybe I should take my washers out again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: swellbowed on November 16, 2017, 11:41:29 AM
Indy 169's, Venom Bushings 91A, no washers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chippedwood on November 16, 2017, 02:47:42 PM

I have Indys and I put the Blue medium/hard indy bushings (standard conical) in and change them maybe once every year or 2. I use all the washers stock. I think the Blue bushings are good if you are a bit heavier like around 200lbs, then you can tighten a little bit more and they dont squash out, like orange ones do(also depends on stage) but you can still turn great and have loose trucks for you, if a skinny guy gets on your board they will think your trucks are tight, but i keep the nut just over flush, i have 149, 159 and 169s all blue bushings. front truck is a touch looser and never switch those around.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chippedwood on November 16, 2017, 02:51:13 PM
but if you dont ride indys those Bones white and yellow bushings are the shit, I have those on a old 90s pair of ventures 5.0 and they turn so well, no washers.
also indy standard conical bushings work great on venture HI trucks, actually makes those trucks skateable
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on November 16, 2017, 07:28:43 PM
I put the white Indy super soft cylinder bushings in Venture 5.8 Hi’s, and they turn great now. Loose and turny when I lean, but stable when you’re moving fast. I am loving this set up!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 17, 2017, 04:33:57 AM
Quote from: chodekaka on November 16, 2017, 10:55:17 AM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on November 16, 2017, 06:26:31 AM
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If anyone was wondering, this set up works perfectly for me and always has in the past. Bushings have never blow out, pancaked out, or cracked.



(https://s18.postimg.org/5bvaiuvk9/IMG_1058.jpg)
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I’ve noticed if I put bones bushings in thunders without the bottom washer then the geometry slackens a bit, and the hanger puts pressure on the kingpin/bushing until either the kingpin is loose or the bushing cracks. That never happens to you? Maybe I should take my washers out again.

yeah, this truck set-up. I use the harder bones bushings (black plastic) and find this setup the best for me. I too see that the trucks don't sit pefectly aligned and some stress goes to the pivot cup but its only minor. I really dig the way my thunders turn this way and also got a set of blue conical indys for when my bones get smashed, that takes around a year and a half. My mate who skates thunders 149 with the yellow bones and weighs as much as I do (~80kg), goes through a set of bushings every other month.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 17, 2017, 07:50:48 PM
Quote from: chodekaka on November 16, 2017, 10:55:17 AM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on November 16, 2017, 06:26:31 AM
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If anyone was wondering, this set up works perfectly for me and always has in the past. Bushings have never blow out, pancaked out, or cracked.



(https://s18.postimg.org/5bvaiuvk9/IMG_1058.jpg)
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I’ve noticed if I put bones bushings in thunders without the bottom washer then the geometry slackens a bit, and the hanger puts pressure on the kingpin/bushing until either the kingpin is loose or the bushing cracks. That never happens to you? Maybe I should take my washers out again.

I use 2 bones washers per truck, regardless of truck brand:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/I3U5C-amUSJeGA7qPlG8EEzO_IbBVYcMZc16eQfHauWSaN4DzkgCmNviUGxdeBo5L1aGZfzB4_H4EmUbaipFweMXtakRpeegmXK3ENL2J6aQ-DG0SMfjC7n_ovVN1tz0R4HU4u_K2Qc)

Using the bottom washer keeps it closer to stock geometry (every truck ships with bottom washers) - do we need them? No. You get used to it.

On Thunder and Theeves, the bottom bushings are much taller than most (about a washer taller) without a bottom washer...

Plus, when and if you tighten to anything other than stock, you are changing the geo by altering the angle of the hanger as you squish the bushings down.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 18, 2017, 05:42:05 PM
^I have been considering this option for a while. Time to go for it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 18, 2017, 06:17:57 PM
Quote from: Esquivel on November 18, 2017, 05:42:05 PM
^I have been considering this option for a while. Time to go for it.

Hit a hardware store cheaper! I just had two sets kicking around.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 19, 2017, 02:10:10 PM
No risers?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on November 19, 2017, 04:01:45 PM
New truck brand by Jeremie Daclin, Film trucks. https://www.instagram.com/filmtrucks/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BbogobqBeF6/?taken-by=jeremiedaclin
https://www.instagram.com/p/BboXGRTgdG-/?taken-by=filmtrucks

Whats your thoughts folks? I think design wise they look decent.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 19, 2017, 05:46:38 PM
Filmer trucks eh.....seems pretty niche to me....

Yah they look good....more trucks to torture us with......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 19, 2017, 05:47:44 PM
The raw are cool, they remind me of old destructos or a sleeker Orion
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on November 19, 2017, 10:11:42 PM
Dumb that they don't have a side view of the truck.  Is the geometry a secret?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on November 19, 2017, 10:55:16 PM
Quote from: full of jerks on November 19, 2017, 10:11:42 PM
Dumb that they don't have a side view of the truck.  Is the geometry a secret?
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bbq8-Zog_p2/?taken-by=filmtrucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on November 19, 2017, 11:23:22 PM
those red baseplates look plastic
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 20, 2017, 12:03:24 AM
I have a feeling these trucks will out do thunders in nose/tail slides
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chodekaka on November 20, 2017, 12:47:05 AM
Quote from: Esquivel on November 20, 2017, 12:03:24 AM
I have a feeling these trucks will out do thunders in nose/tail slides
That isn’t saying much.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 20, 2017, 06:30:17 AM
Those are intriguing, but until they make a totally raw truck with no art on them, I can’t get myself to try them out. I wonder when they’ll be available in USA?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 20, 2017, 06:36:54 AM
Can someone who’s bought a pair of Krux 8.5” talls and left them stock, who has also skated Ace trucks, tell me if the turn is similar? Krux is the only truck I haven’t tried and I like the idea of buying a truck that I don’t have to mess with whatsoever. If they can carve and have a snappy turn like Ace, I may give them a go.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on November 20, 2017, 06:58:40 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on November 20, 2017, 06:36:54 AM
Can someone who’s bought a pair of Krux 8.5” talls and left them stock, who has also skated Ace trucks, tell me if the turn is similar? Krux is the only truck I haven’t tried and I like the idea of buying a truck that I don’t have to mess with whatsoever. If they can carve and have a snappy turn like Ace, I may give them a go.

I had 8.25" Krux and they were very unstable and the turn was not deep at all. They aren't close to Ace at all IMO. Ace 44s are my go to, I can't stand trucks that don't turn deep or require massive force to turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chodekaka on November 20, 2017, 07:30:42 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on November 20, 2017, 06:36:54 AM
Can someone who’s bought a pair of Krux 8.5” talls and left them stock, who has also skated Ace trucks, tell me if the turn is similar? Krux is the only truck I haven’t tried and I like the idea of buying a truck that I don’t have to mess with whatsoever. If they can carve and have a snappy turn like Ace, I may give them a go.
Skating 44s now, krux are nothing similar to the smooth tight carve of ace
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on November 20, 2017, 08:09:38 AM
Quote from: chodekaka on November 20, 2017, 07:30:42 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on November 20, 2017, 06:36:54 AM
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Can someone who’s bought a pair of Krux 8.5” talls and left them stock, who has also skated Ace trucks, tell me if the turn is similar? Krux is the only truck I haven’t tried and I like the idea of buying a truck that I don’t have to mess with whatsoever. If they can carve and have a snappy turn like Ace, I may give them a go.
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Skating 44s now, krux are nothing similar to the smooth tight carve of ace

I think krux have a quick response, they just dont carve as deep, which is a shame because they are good truck. I used them for a couple months but had to get back to my reliable Indys. Had Ace before but they turn into shit too quick.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Grind King Rims on November 20, 2017, 03:35:57 PM
I've been skating about 15 years and I only got into switching bushings in recent years. I'm currently running bones hards, and they're I love the way they skate, only for I always find that bones bushings loosen and break very easily. I never had a problem with breaking bushings before switching to bones. Is there anything I can do to make them last a bit longer, the way paraffin stops Indy bushings from squeaking?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chodekaka on November 20, 2017, 09:45:49 PM
Quote from: Grind King Rims on November 20, 2017, 03:35:57 PM
I've been skating about 15 years and I only got into switching bushings in recent years. I'm currently running bones hards, and they're I love the way they skate, only for I always find that bones bushings loosen and break very easily. I never had a problem with breaking bushings before switching to bones. Is there anything I can do to make them last a bit longer, the way paraffin stops Indy bushings from squeaking?
If you aren’t using Indy’s keep the bottom
Washer in your trucks, without it the geometry changes a bit and the hangar puts pressure on the bushing and kingpin. But use the stock top washer and put the black washer under the bottom bushing.  The paraffin is for your pivot cup, you can still do that as well with bones bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on November 21, 2017, 06:01:15 AM
i'd prefer to file down the flange of the stock top washer and use the black one that comes with the bushings at the top. Taking away the flange feature from the top bushing can only improve turning. Night and day.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on November 21, 2017, 06:55:32 AM
Quote from: Xen on November 17, 2017, 07:50:48 PM
Quote from: chodekaka on November 16, 2017, 10:55:17 AM
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Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on November 16, 2017, 06:26:31 AM
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If anyone was wondering, this set up works perfectly for me and always has in the past. Bushings have never blow out, pancaked out, or cracked.



(https://s18.postimg.org/5bvaiuvk9/IMG_1058.jpg)
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I’ve noticed if I put bones bushings in thunders without the bottom washer then the geometry slackens a bit, and the hanger puts pressure on the kingpin/bushing until either the kingpin is loose or the bushing cracks. That never happens to you? Maybe I should take my washers out again.
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I use 2 bones washers per truck, regardless of truck brand:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/I3U5C-amUSJeGA7qPlG8EEzO_IbBVYcMZc16eQfHauWSaN4DzkgCmNviUGxdeBo5L1aGZfzB4_H4EmUbaipFweMXtakRpeegmXK3ENL2J6aQ-DG0SMfjC7n_ovVN1tz0R4HU4u_K2Qc)

Using the bottom washer keeps it closer to stock geometry (every truck ships with bottom washers) - do we need them? No. You get used to it.

On Thunder and Theeves, the bottom bushings are much taller than most (about a washer taller) without a bottom washer...

Plus, when and if you tighten to anything other than stock, you are changing the geo by altering the angle of the hanger as you squish the bushings down.

I don't know man. Maybe it's all mental but I feel weeks every time I use bones bushings with a. bottom washer.

And I like how these thunders turn way more than when they had the stock bushings whose were very broken in. The trucks now have a springiness to them the stock bushings don't. And they are both almost the same hardness.


PS. I rarely crank my kingpin nut past stock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: laramieskate55 on November 22, 2017, 08:42:47 AM
Has anyone tried venture v-lights 5.2 high or thunder lights 147 high? I'm currently riding classic indy's but am looking to switch things up. I like the look of the ventures more, but I'm not sure how the ventures and thunders compare.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yatallfreak on November 22, 2017, 10:26:02 AM
Quote from: laramieskate55 on November 22, 2017, 08:42:47 AM
Has anyone tried venture v-lights 5.2 high or thunder lights 147 high? I'm currently riding classic indy's but am looking to switch things up. I like the look of the ventures more, but I'm not sure how the ventures and thunders compare.
Accidentally bought the venture lights instead of regular but they're the 5.8 ones I think. Whatever is for 8.5 boards but I had always skated Thunders before this pair of Ventures. It seems like Ventures feel more stable even when I have them super loose. Kinda like if I'm trying to skate two ledges back to back and have to swerve quickly they feel really stable. Thunders would always turn on a dime and snap back to place pretty quickly but when I had them super loose I feel like it could get kinda hectic skating those same ledges. Also you gotta take into account the Venture baseplate. It makes putting your front two bolts on kinda awkward and annoying. I have an Antihero GT 8.62 board right now and I noticed the baseplate goes like past the concave of the board its fucking weird. May go back to Thunders after this pair of Ventures
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 22, 2017, 05:14:00 PM
Thanks for the replies on the Krux, fellas. I found that old thread talking about Krux releasing an 8.25” truck and lots of people said they have an underrated and nice turn. I don’t know why they intrigue me, but I guess I get bored with the same gear and like trying to switch it up. Krux seems like they may be the only one I can play it safe with and not feel too ‘kook’y riding them instead of Ace or any of the other top dog truck companies. And they offer forged baseplates so that’s a plus.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chodekaka on November 22, 2017, 05:54:42 PM
What makes a truck “kooky” or not?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chodekaka on November 22, 2017, 05:57:11 PM
Sick these ones come with stickered grills! Krux also gave a YouTuber (Garret Ginner) a pro model truck. Not trying to hate on Krux, just don’t understand the classification of kooky or not.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: laramieskate55 on November 22, 2017, 07:42:47 PM
Quote from: yatallfreak on November 22, 2017, 10:26:02 AM
Quote from: laramieskate55 on November 22, 2017, 08:42:47 AM
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Has anyone tried venture v-lights 5.2 high or thunder lights 147 high? I'm currently riding classic indy's but am looking to switch things up. I like the look of the ventures more, but I'm not sure how the ventures and thunders compare.
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Accidentally bought the venture lights instead of regular but they're the 5.8 ones I think. Whatever is for 8.5 boards but I had always skated Thunders before this pair of Ventures. It seems like Ventures feel more stable even when I have them super loose. Kinda like if I'm trying to skate two ledges back to back and have to swerve quickly they feel really stable. Thunders would always turn on a dime and snap back to place pretty quickly but when I had them super loose I feel like it could get kinda hectic skating those same ledges. Also you gotta take into account the Venture baseplate. It makes putting your front two bolts on kinda awkward and annoying. I have an Antihero GT 8.62 board right now and I noticed the baseplate goes like past the concave of the board its fucking weird. May go back to Thunders after this pair of Ventures
Yeah I hear that thunders have a really quick response, which might be nice compared to the surfy turns of indy's. I just like the way ventures look more. I figured that because venture and thunder are both made by deluxe that they would be pretty similar, but I don't know.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 22, 2017, 09:03:47 PM
Quote from: laramieskate55 on November 22, 2017, 07:42:47 PM
Quote from: yatallfreak on November 22, 2017, 10:26:02 AM
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Has anyone tried venture v-lights 5.2 high or thunder lights 147 high? I'm currently riding classic indy's but am looking to switch things up. I like the look of the ventures more, but I'm not sure how the ventures and thunders compare.
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Accidentally bought the venture lights instead of regular but they're the 5.8 ones I think. Whatever is for 8.5 boards but I had always skated Thunders before this pair of Ventures. It seems like Ventures feel more stable even when I have them super loose. Kinda like if I'm trying to skate two ledges back to back and have to swerve quickly they feel really stable. Thunders would always turn on a dime and snap back to place pretty quickly but when I had them super loose I feel like it could get kinda hectic skating those same ledges. Also you gotta take into account the Venture baseplate. It makes putting your front two bolts on kinda awkward and annoying. I have an Antihero GT 8.62 board right now and I noticed the baseplate goes like past the concave of the board its fucking weird. May go back to Thunders after this pair of Ventures
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Yeah I hear that thunders have a really quick response, which might be nice compared to the surfy turns of indy's. I just like the way ventures look more. I figured that because venture and thunder are both made by deluxe that they would be pretty similar, but I don't know.

Way different, ventures are very ehhhhh but thunders are good eh. Not a smooth carvy kinda loose Indy type truck but a nice stiff-ish quick response return to center turn wise and pop wise truck for getting clean tricks done fast
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on November 22, 2017, 11:32:33 PM
Hey Truck nerds

What the hell is a 'surfy turn?' I surf as much as I skate but I can't really tell you why Indy is 'surfier' than Thunder. I think you could be talking out of your arses.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chodekaka on November 22, 2017, 11:45:06 PM
Quote from: Lee Ralph Fan Club on November 22, 2017, 11:32:33 PM
Hey Truck nerds

What the hell is a 'surfy turn?' I surf as much as I skate but I can't really tell you why Indy is 'surfier' than Thunder. I think you could be talking out of your arses.
Thunders when you initiate the turn they immediatly turn snappy but then that’s it they bottom out. Very precision oriented, with a surfy truck like Indy, you start to turn slowly (relative to venture or thunder) and then towards the end (maximum lean from your body) they whip around, then you have ace which feels bottomless, I feel like I could fall off my board leaning hard before getting wheelbite. So it kind of comes down to the performance of the truck as it executes a turn. Does it do well in the beginning (venture) or does it really carve deep at the end (ace or independent). Thunder would be sort of a middle ground. Another way to feel this, if you lean deep in ventures backside standing still you reach a point where they lockout and the frontside wheels raise off the ground a bit. The amount of force it takes to do that (way more for Indy’s) directly correlates to how deep they can carve and how they will perform that turn. This is a shitty drawing of a birds eye view obviously exaggerated a bit. Thunder would be a middle ground between these. But bushings and washers can also change performance a bit within reasonable limits, however this is purely from the standpoint of only truck geometry all other factors equal.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on November 23, 2017, 12:15:40 AM
Sure. I understand how trucks turn differently but what makes Indy or Ace more like surfing?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chodekaka on November 23, 2017, 12:34:51 AM
Quote from: Lee Ralph Fan Club on November 23, 2017, 12:15:40 AM
Sure. I understand how trucks turn differently but what makes Indy or Ace more like surfing?
I would assume big smooth carves is like “sidewalk surfing” being able to turn back and forth like surfing a wave, the way a surfboard cuts through the water with less friction than wheels on a sidewalk happens to feel and look similar, I’m
Sure there’s some marketing in there as well, Indy’s were made in the era that remembers “sidewalk surfing” so people probably associated the way Indy’s and trackers turned in a bowl with being surfy the bowls people skated were just endless waves they wanted a truck to surf those waves, and the performance had to be predictable and in a certain way to replicate what people were doing on waves in a pool, they weren’t designed at a time with ledges and flatbars it was pools and coping pretty sure grosso says in one episode of love letters it was the surfy turn of tracker with the grinding ability of gullwing and that’s what Indy was designed around . If you know how they turn differently what’s the issue here? It’s not talking out of the ass if there’s a real difference in how they turn and one feels more like surfing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 23, 2017, 06:19:37 AM
Yeah, I guess I was lame for saying certain trucks can be ‘kook’y. Everyone has their personal preference and it should be respected. I just can’t help thinking when I look at certain trucks that they not only look ugly as hell, but they will turn like shit. Those Krux with all those horrible graphics are enough to make me not want to buy even the raw silvers lol.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chodekaka on November 23, 2017, 08:13:05 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on November 23, 2017, 06:19:37 AM
Yeah, I guess I was lame for saying certain trucks can be ‘kook’y. Everyone has their personal preference and it should be respected. I just can’t help thinking when I look at certain trucks that they not only look ugly as hell, but they will turn like shit. Those Krux with all those horrible graphics are enough to make me not want to buy even the raw silvers lol.
After watching Manny Santiago pretty much go through his entire career skating handrails and stairs on tensor magnesium lows the shittiest, exploding, truck I have ever tried they truly make your setup feel like a slab that leans side to side a bit but doesn’t actually turn. I don’t even know what to think anymore. But yeah no hate I know what you mean just playing, krux has their fair share of kookiness they even sell on Andy Schrocks online store “shred quarters” and they have trucks with a cartoon of a dog taking a shit on them. Krux are quality though, and their forged baseplates are very nice and shaped with a curved edge that apparently is easier on your deck during impacts. The kingpin clearance is also insane so much room.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 23, 2017, 10:42:08 AM
Wanna know how to get out of truck madness?

Just buy the trucks brand new that’s a truck that has worked best for you for the most time and put it on a new deck and just skate it right away no swapping bushings and try not to even adjust the tightness unless it’s actually been oddly stock tightened or something and just shred just skate and don’t think about the stuff just know your a kook if you complain about a brand new setup

That’s what I did

Haven’t been curious or felt the need to re assure my self on what turn style or angle I want for my skating from trucks, just skated everything the way it was out the gate and it’s the best setup I’ve had in a year maybe longer

I just took my brand new deck to the shop, got any thunder hollow lights they had didn’t even care about kooky color ways and plugged them on and didn’t even mess with the tightness and skated the day away and I did better than I have In months with this setup
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on November 23, 2017, 11:10:26 AM
Quote from: rob on November 23, 2017, 10:42:08 AM
Wanna know how to get out of truck madness?

Just buy the trucks brand new that’s a truck that has worked best for you for the most time and put it on a new deck and just skate it right away no swapping bushings and try not to even adjust the tightness unless it’s actually been oddly stock tightened or something and just shred just skate and don’t think about the stuff just know your a kook if you complain about a brand new setup

That’s what I did

Haven’t been curious or felt the need to re assure my self on what turn style or angle I want for my skating from trucks, just skated everything the way it was out the gate and it’s the best setup I’ve had in a year maybe longer

I just took my brand new deck to the shop, got any thunder hollow lights they had didn’t even care about kooky color ways and plugged them on and didn’t even mess with the tightness and skated the day away and I did better than I have In months with this setup

Don't know if I can believe you, Rob.

Haven't you heard the fable of the boy who cried Krux, then Royal, then Minilogo, then Thunder, then Indy Low, then Thunder again?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on November 23, 2017, 08:59:32 PM
(https://i0.wp.com/rs1268.pbsrc.com/albums/jj577/ElisMad/pantsonfire_zpsd711f903.gif~c200)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on November 24, 2017, 12:59:05 AM
THERE IS NO ESCAPE.
I tried it, I now have three sets of nearly new trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gumi on November 24, 2017, 01:01:47 AM
Quote from: rob on November 23, 2017, 10:42:08 AM
Wanna know how to get out of truck madness?

Just buy the trucks brand new that’s a truck that has worked best for you for the most time and put it on a new deck and just skate it right away no swapping bushings and try not to even adjust the tightness unless it’s actually been oddly stock tightened or something and just shred just skate and don’t think about the stuff just know your a kook if you complain about a brand new setup

That’s what I did

Haven’t been curious or felt the need to re assure my self on what turn style or angle I want for my skating from trucks, just skated everything the way it was out the gate and it’s the best setup I’ve had in a year maybe longer

I just took my brand new deck to the shop, got any thunder hollow lights they had didn’t even care about kooky color ways and plugged them on and didn’t even mess with the tightness and skated the day away and I did better than I have In months with this setup

(https://i.imgur.com/5noHKsb.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 24, 2017, 10:57:10 AM
Haha well so far so good for me, I’ve even already started grinding them down so much from only a week of skating

I think you have to want to get out of it to as part of the commitment

I was realizing I wasn’t progressing as well cause I’m never use to 1 setup
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FirstBlood82 on November 24, 2017, 01:47:43 PM
recently switched from indy (been skating them for a looooong ass time) to thunders 147 Ti Hi, love them so far. wish they were a bit higher though, removed the bottom washer so i can them looser.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on November 24, 2017, 03:12:29 PM
Quote from: FirstBlood82 on November 24, 2017, 01:47:43 PM
recently switched from indy (been skating them for a looooong ass time) to thunders 147 Ti Hi, love them so far. wish they were a bit higher though, removed the bottom washer so i can them looser.
dude they feel weird but I have regular Indy his again with bones medmiums and they feel amazing! Much welcomed change from Thunders.


Also they are mush looser than. My thunders and sill don't get wheel bite.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheVisitor on November 24, 2017, 04:15:14 PM
Quote from: FirstBlood82 on November 24, 2017, 01:47:43 PM
recently switched from indy (been skating them for a looooong ass time) to thunders 147 Ti Hi, love them so far. wish they were a bit higher though, removed the bottom washer so i can them looser.

The Team Plates are higher, sucks you can't buy them separately though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shadow on November 24, 2017, 07:16:07 PM
Do stock Indy bushings still suck? Got a pair on the way. Want to keep em stock but I might swap them out for aftermarkets if the stocks are still garbage.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chodekaka on November 24, 2017, 07:20:39 PM
They are indeed still garbage.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 25, 2017, 11:09:40 AM
Quote from: shadow on November 24, 2017, 07:16:07 PM
Do stock Indy bushings still suck? Got a pair on the way. Want to keep em stock but I might swap them out for aftermarkets if the stocks are still garbage.

Pretty much, after market conicals are the best, then bones, then whatever you have experienced
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shadow on November 25, 2017, 12:04:40 PM
thanks boys, aftermarket it is.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: smellsdead on November 26, 2017, 10:15:13 AM
some dude gave me a board for free that has some indys that clock in at 9" and have two half circles cut out of the baseplate.
anyone have any idea what stage/year these pups came out?
theyre crusty, but with some affection theyll turn like a champ im sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: planman on November 26, 2017, 10:23:20 AM
Quote from: smellsdead on November 26, 2017, 10:15:13 AM
some dude gave me a board for free that has some indys that clock in at 9" and have two half circles cut out of the baseplate.
anyone have any idea what stage/year these pups came out?
theyre crusty, but with some affection theyll turn like a champ im sure.
can you post a pic? Sounds like an old pair of 169s?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 26, 2017, 01:49:44 PM
Those are stage 9’s and one of the worst stages to come out. The baseplates broke constantly and the turning wasn’t good at all. Clean them and sell them on eBay.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 26, 2017, 08:23:02 PM
Or just stick em on a cruiser....build up a vintage board...there's lots of decent used stuff out there....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: smellsdead on November 27, 2017, 08:43:21 AM
word up thanks for the lowdown my guys
pull an elissa and break my baseplate hah
any insight as to what made the turning not so great?
plenty of after market bushings that could help that i would imagine...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on November 28, 2017, 04:37:25 PM
Made a switch back to my Thunder Ti's with a new board I got a couple weeks ago and after 4-5 sessions I dunno what I was thinking. Don't get me wrong, historically I've probably skated Thunders the most and could grind the ones I have down to the axel if I didnt switch trucks so often, but I just gotta accept the fact that I'm simply better overall riding Theeve's than anything else. Way less wheelbite and a far better lock-in on slides with a turn that's just right on all terrain.

I really only made the switch due to better marketing, as it's way easier to get hyped on Thunder and their team than whatever the fuck Theeve has going on, but at this point it is what it is for me. Once you're locked-in, you never leave the Theeve (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/ufdup.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on November 28, 2017, 08:24:34 PM
bruh is that monta ellis in your sig?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on November 29, 2017, 07:05:55 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on November 28, 2017, 04:37:25 PM
Made a switch back to my Thunder Ti's with a new board I got a couple weeks ago and after 4-5 sessions I dunno what I was thinking. Don't get me wrong, historically I've probably skated Thunders the most and could grind the ones I have down to the axel if I didnt switch trucks so often, but I just gotta accept the fact that I'm simply better overall riding Theeve's than anything else. Way less wheelbite and a far better lock-in on slides with a turn that's just right on all terrain.

I really only made the switch due to better marketing, as it's way easier to get hyped on Thunder and their team than whatever the fuck Theeve has going on, but at this point it is what it is for me. Once you're locked-in, you never leave the Theeve (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/ufdup.png)

i still get an itch to skate some thunders every now and then... this helped resist this time around, not because I'm down on Thunder or anything (probably skated them longer than any other truck), but just because I don't want to go through the whole 'breaking in new trucks' phase and I havent been going crazy over truck stuff since I settled on Indys with the orange aftermarket conical bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on November 29, 2017, 09:23:59 AM
Thought I had settled on Indys again. I've skated them probably 30 years and 1 year of random Venture and Thunder (time combined of course). BUT .. I watched some Busenitz and remembered that sweet pop of Thunder kickflips (which I've rambled about in this thread). Thus ... a new pair of Thunder hi 147 on their way to me. :P I suppose I feel this loyalty/obligation to Indy for having used them all those years (from 86-2003 mostly then hated stage 9 100% , 10 was so-so, 11 is better) but my wife actually gave me good advice (she knows I have truck madness): "just use what works good for you now and don't think about it". And well thats Thunder. As far as "don't think about it" though ... I wish! I'd love to have this madness solved, know what I will use and not have to think about it. Had that comfort of never thinking about it until stage 9... what a nice feeling that was ha

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on November 29, 2017, 09:36:53 AM
ive been skating theeves alot lately, i have not been this comfortable with a pair of trucks in years i think, i dont have to crank that shit down to not have wheelbite and i can actually turn, theyre not clunky and loose like how i remember skating indys, im not regretting my purchase thankfully otherwise i would have wasted $40(https://i.imgur.com/AkhZr4K.jpg?2)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on November 30, 2017, 06:09:45 PM
Quote from: ducky darnsworth on November 29, 2017, 09:36:53 AM
ive been skating theeves alot lately, i have not been this comfortable with a pair of trucks in years i think, i dont have to crank that shit down to not have wheelbite and i can actually turn, theyre not clunky and loose like how i remember skating indys, im not regretting my purchase thankfully otherwise i would have wasted $40

Any Theeve guys:  When you take them apart to you see any wear/shiny spots on the kingpin and that oval yoke that would indicate that they are actually bearing on each other when you are turning?

If you don't want to take em apart just to check I'll understand.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on December 02, 2017, 02:43:13 AM
I know most of you will think I’m crazy but I just got some orange medium Indy after markets (conical) and after one session I couldn’t wait to get home and put my bones mediums back in. The Indy’s felt really good and basically broken in right away and but I just can’t get over how much I like the fact that the bones not only feel broken right away (something I’ve only ever gotten with these and the replacement Indy’s) but they have springiness that allows your truck to feel much more stable, even when fairly loose, compared to other bushings.
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on December 02, 2017, 06:34:47 AM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on December 02, 2017, 02:43:13 AM
I know most of you will think I’m crazy but I just got some orange medium Indy after markets (conical) and after one session I couldn’t wait to get home and put my bones mediums back in. The Indy’s felt really good and basically broken in right away and but I just can’t get over how much I like the fact that the bones not only feel broken right away (something I’ve only ever gotten with these and the replacement Indy’s) but they have springiness that allows your truck to feel much more stable, even when fairly loose, compared to other bushings.
,

I haven't used Bones bushings since they added the small washers to the pack, but Indy aftermarkets are great and they last a lot longer than Bones have for me in the past.  Maybe the durability thing was corrected with the new washers, but Indy aftermarkets have treated me well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: eranka on December 02, 2017, 03:11:30 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on December 02, 2017, 02:43:13 AM
I know most of you will think I’m crazy but I just got some orange medium Indy after markets (conical) and after one session I couldn’t wait to get home and put my bones mediums back in. The Indy’s felt really good and basically broken in right away and but I just can’t get over how much I like the fact that the bones not only feel broken right away (something I’ve only ever gotten with these and the replacement Indy’s) but they have springiness that allows your truck to feel much more stable, even when fairly loose, compared to other bushings.
,
give them a few days and they will get better. but i know what youre talking about, indy stage 10s with bones bushings was pretty much perfect for me with that bouncy feeling youre describing, but ever since indy switched to stage 11s every bones set i had didnt last more than a month. been skating the same aftermarket indys for almost 2 years now and they are still good.

Another thing with stage 11, ive been shredding through pivot cups like never before, had 3 or 4 sets and each and everyone of them blew up at the pivot cup. a few hangers lost a few milimeters at the pivot from griding against the baseplate rendereing the truck useless. last two sets i used aftermarket pivot cups and it still happened.
never had problems like that with indys before stage 11s. i skate 129s and with the average board size now being 8+ i think maybe they designed stage 11s for wider boards and the 129 version is not as good, my friends who skate 139 dont have those issues.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on December 02, 2017, 03:25:45 PM
Quote from: jamersonbass on December 02, 2017, 06:34:47 AM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on December 02, 2017, 02:43:13 AM
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I know most of you will think I’m crazy but I just got some orange medium Indy after markets (conical) and after one session I couldn’t wait to get home and put my bones mediums back in. The Indy’s felt really good and basically broken in right away and but I just can’t get over how much I like the fact that the bones not only feel broken right away (something I’ve only ever gotten with these and the replacement Indy’s) but they have springiness that allows your truck to feel much more stable, even when fairly loose, compared to other bushings.
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I haven't used Bones bushings since they added the small washers to the pack, but Indy aftermarkets are great and they last a lot longer than Bones have for me in the past.  Maybe the durability thing was corrected with the new washers, but Indy aftermarkets have treated me well.

That's the main reason I stay away from bones bushings, I've heard too many reports of them falling apart.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franc on December 03, 2017, 03:56:29 AM
I'm a big guy and skate my trucks kinda tight, with risers, in order to not get wheel bite all the time.
I have three set ups, two with 139s and one with 149s. And I only skate 52s.

It gets well cold here during winter and my bushings get harder when I'm out skating these days, making my trucks feel really weird, far too tight.
Are there any bushings that would work better than the original ones I got in my Indies under these circumstances? I could bring my skate tool to the session but I don't want to loosen and or tighten my trucks every 3 minutes.

What would you guys do? Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franc on December 03, 2017, 12:34:33 PM
Quote from: ceruleanwithin on December 03, 2017, 06:28:54 AM
I switch to softer bushings in the winter. I'm on Thunders now so in my case I usually skate their 94A bushings in warmer seasons then in colder seasons I go back to their stock 90A ones. Keeps things more consistent. So, whichever Indy bushings you're skating, try buying some aftermarkets that are a bit softer. If you skate the stock orange cylinder (90A) try going down to the red cylinder (88A) or even the white cylinder (78A). Alternatively you could try the same hardness but switch from cylinder to conical. I used to skate Bones Bushings but in my experience they got too hard in the winter and often blew out or the hard center would separate from the outer portion so if you experiment with those it could get a bit expensive. Hope that helps!

This helps for sure, thank you very much!

What is the difference between cylinder and conical bushings? How is this going to affect my skating..?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 03, 2017, 02:04:34 PM
Quote from: full of jerks on November 30, 2017, 06:09:45 PM
Quote from: ducky darnsworth on November 29, 2017, 09:36:53 AM
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ive been skating theeves alot lately, i have not been this comfortable with a pair of trucks in years i think, i dont have to crank that shit down to not have wheelbite and i can actually turn, theyre not clunky and loose like how i remember skating indys, im not regretting my purchase thankfully otherwise i would have wasted $40
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Any Theeve guys:  When you take them apart to you see any wear/shiny spots on the kingpin and that oval yoke that would indicate that they are actually bearing on each other when you are turning?

If you don't want to take em apart just to check I'll understand.  Thanks.

I'll check.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 03, 2017, 04:56:53 PM
Quote from: fang on November 29, 2017, 09:23:59 AM
Thought I had settled on Indys again. I've skated them probably 30 years and 1 year of random Venture and Thunder (time combined of course). BUT .. I watched some Busenitz and remembered that sweet pop of Thunder kickflips (which I've rambled about in this thread). Thus ... a new pair of Thunder hi 147 on their way to me. :P I suppose I feel this loyalty/obligation to Indy for having used them all those years (from 86-2003 mostly then hated stage 9 100% , 10 was so-so, 11 is better) but my wife actually gave me good advice (she knows I have truck madness): "just use what works good for you now and don't think about it". And well thats Thunder. As far as "don't think about it" though ... I wish! I'd love to have this madness solved, know what I will use and not have to think about it. Had that comfort of never thinking about it until stage 9... what a nice feeling that was ha


I switched to thunder after 20+ years on indy, took slap's advice, broke in the bushings properly and now I have so much fun on them; no switching out 17 parts and replacing washers or lubing pivot cups with the vaginal secretions from sacrificed virgins on the night of the crescent moon to make them skateable
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franc on December 04, 2017, 01:23:10 AM
Quote from: ceruleanwithin on December 03, 2017, 02:37:53 PM
Conicals give a steeper/sharper turn but can cause wheel bite easier. I'd try the softer cylinders first.

Thanks a lot!  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on December 04, 2017, 12:24:04 PM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on December 03, 2017, 04:56:53 PM
Quote from: fang on November 29, 2017, 09:23:59 AM
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Thought I had settled on Indys again. I've skated them probably 30 years and 1 year of random Venture and Thunder (time combined of course). BUT .. I watched some Busenitz and remembered that sweet pop of Thunder kickflips (which I've rambled about in this thread). Thus ... a new pair of Thunder hi 147 on their way to me. :P I suppose I feel this loyalty/obligation to Indy for having used them all those years (from 86-2003 mostly then hated stage 9 100% , 10 was so-so, 11 is better) but my wife actually gave me good advice (she knows I have truck madness): "just use what works good for you now and don't think about it". And well thats Thunder. As far as "don't think about it" though ... I wish! I'd love to have this madness solved, know what I will use and not have to think about it. Had that comfort of never thinking about it until stage 9... what a nice feeling that was ha


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I switched to thunder after 20+ years on indy, took slap's advice, broke in the bushings properly and now I have so much fun on them; no switching out 17 parts and replacing washers or lubing pivot cups with the vaginal secretions from sacrificed virgins on the night of the crescent moon to make them skateable

The last Thunders I had broke in .
 In 3 sessions I think? Just cruising around. And I thought they were awesome. I think I had some blind loyalty to Indy but I should have let that go when they made stage 9. Those made me extremely angry. I tried thunder in 2006 and was shocked as to how good they were but I didn't want to change nor admit it. I'm ready this time! Those thunder kickflips feel so right
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gumi on December 04, 2017, 02:20:01 PM
(https://www.slamcity.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/300x225/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/img_2260_2.jpg)

Really fancying these. Would leave 100% alone, just mount, break in and skate to fuck. Temptations ...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on December 04, 2017, 02:33:30 PM
The white bushings are key imo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 04, 2017, 09:15:28 PM
Quote from: fang on December 04, 2017, 12:24:04 PM
The last Thunders I had broke in .
 In 3 sessions I think? Just cruising around. And I thought they were awesome. I think I had some blind loyalty to Indy but I should have let that go when they made stage 9. Those made me extremely angry. I tried thunder in 2006 and was shocked as to how good they were but I didn't want to change nor admit it. I'm ready this time! Those thunder kickflips feel so right
yeah 3 sessions and they were ready to rock. indy hasn't made good trucks (or at least trucks that you could just run stock with no hassles) since stage 7 imo and that's a long time ago. I was loyal too but it's just not worth it these days. Love the way thunders handle! kinda ACE curious too tbh...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 04, 2017, 10:14:56 PM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on December 04, 2017, 09:15:28 PM
Quote from: fang on December 04, 2017, 12:24:04 PM
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The last Thunders I had broke in .
 In 3 sessions I think? Just cruising around. And I thought they were awesome. I think I had some blind loyalty to Indy but I should have let that go when they made stage 9. Those made me extremely angry. I tried thunder in 2006 and was shocked as to how good they were but I didn't want to change nor admit it. I'm ready this time! Those thunder kickflips feel so right
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yeah 3 sessions and they were ready to rock. indy hasn't made good trucks (or at least trucks that you could just run stock with no hassles) since stage 7 imo and that's a long time ago. I was loyal too but it's just not worth it these days. Love the way thunders handle! kinda ACE curious too tbh...

I feel I’ve gotten out of truck madness cause reading these posts about the hassle on people’s trucks makes me chuckle, cause really in the end just ride what you know works best and feels best

I’ve been sticking to my thunders and they’ve been justice

I don’t even care they they’re colored/not raw

Stick to the thunders it’s not worth it to try ace if you like thunders, they’re more of a kind sorta upgraded Indy , deeper turning than Indy but still stable. Not as stable as Indy’s but Indy’s don’t turn as well. Thunders are just right if you need to pop fast turn quick and want more flip trickability. You can do every trick on any truck but thunders makes it easier to flip and flop your deck with it’s flexible but stable geometry
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on December 04, 2017, 10:34:20 PM
Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on December 02, 2017, 03:25:45 PM
Quote from: jamersonbass on December 02, 2017, 06:34:47 AM
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Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on December 02, 2017, 02:43:13 AM
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I know most of you will think I’m crazy but I just got some orange medium Indy after markets (conical) and after one session I couldn’t wait to get home and put my bones mediums back in. The Indy’s felt really good and basically broken in right away and but I just can’t get over how much I like the fact that the bones not only feel broken right away (something I’ve only ever gotten with these and the replacement Indy’s) but they have springiness that allows your truck to feel much more stable, even when fairly loose, compared to other bushings.
,
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I haven't used Bones bushings since they added the small washers to the pack, but Indy aftermarkets are great and they last a lot longer than Bones have for me in the past.  Maybe the durability thing was corrected with the new washers, but Indy aftermarkets have treated me well.
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That's the main reason I stay away from bones bushings, I've heard too many reports of them falling apart.

I’ve never had any issues with bones in stage 11s and I am bigger guy.


However, I ride my trucks fairly loose and skate pretty low impact shit (like the yep of shit you usually see Beagle skating) so maybe that helps with their longevity.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on December 05, 2017, 05:59:22 AM
Ironically I've caught myself on the Ace site (mostly because I learned that julien rides them and thought that was interesting) but I'm pretty happy with my thunder decision. I want to know control right know
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on December 05, 2017, 06:19:31 AM
Just remember guys that Aces are gonna be rather stiff at first but once the bushings are broken in, they’re heavenly! 😊
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: se7en3two on December 05, 2017, 07:04:56 AM
Quote from: rob on December 04, 2017, 10:14:56 PM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on December 04, 2017, 09:15:28 PM
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Quote from: fang on December 04, 2017, 12:24:04 PM
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The last Thunders I had broke in .
 In 3 sessions I think? Just cruising around. And I thought they were awesome. I think I had some blind loyalty to Indy but I should have let that go when they made stage 9. Those made me extremely angry. I tried thunder in 2006 and was shocked as to how good they were but I didn't want to change nor admit it. I'm ready this time! Those thunder kickflips feel so right
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yeah 3 sessions and they were ready to rock. indy hasn't made good trucks (or at least trucks that you could just run stock with no hassles) since stage 7 imo and that's a long time ago. I was loyal too but it's just not worth it these days. Love the way thunders handle! kinda ACE curious too tbh...
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I feel I’ve gotten out of truck madness cause reading these posts about the hassle on people’s trucks makes me chuckle, cause really in the end just ride what you know works best and feels best

I’ve been sticking to my thunders and they’ve been justice

I don’t even care they they’re colored/not raw

Stick to the thunders it’s not worth it to try ace if you like thunders, they’re more of a kind sorta upgraded Indy , deeper turning than Indy but still stable. Not as stable as Indy’s but Indy’s don’t turn as well. Thunders are just right if you need to pop fast turn quick and want more flip trickability. You can do every trick on any truck but thunders makes it easier to flip and flop your deck with it’s flexible but stable geometry

I get that truck height & weight (along with probably wheel size) will likely play a role in how a board responds.

Is this the general consensus though- Thunder's offer improved/better flipping, based on geometry?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on December 05, 2017, 11:21:01 AM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal

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I switched to thunder after 20+ years on indy, took slap's advice, broke in the bushings properly and now I have so much fun on them; no switching out 17 parts and replacing washers or lubing pivot cups with the vaginal secretions from sacrificed virgins on the night of the crescent moon to make them skateable
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Forgot to acknowledge this before but it made me laugh. When my new ones show up I plan to not tighten... just 3 sessions without changing anything
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 05, 2017, 05:57:25 PM
Quote from: se7en3two on December 05, 2017, 07:04:56 AM
Quote from: rob on December 04, 2017, 10:14:56 PM
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The last Thunders I had broke in .
 In 3 sessions I think? Just cruising around. And I thought they were awesome. I think I had some blind loyalty to Indy but I should have let that go when they made stage 9. Those made me extremely angry. I tried thunder in 2006 and was shocked as to how good they were but I didn't want to change nor admit it. I'm ready this time! Those thunder kickflips feel so right
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yeah 3 sessions and they were ready to rock. indy hasn't made good trucks (or at least trucks that you could just run stock with no hassles) since stage 7 imo and that's a long time ago. I was loyal too but it's just not worth it these days. Love the way thunders handle! kinda ACE curious too tbh...
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I feel I’ve gotten out of truck madness cause reading these posts about the hassle on people’s trucks makes me chuckle, cause really in the end just ride what you know works best and feels best

I’ve been sticking to my thunders and they’ve been justice

I don’t even care they they’re colored/not raw

Stick to the thunders it’s not worth it to try ace if you like thunders, they’re more of a kind sorta upgraded Indy , deeper turning than Indy but still stable. Not as stable as Indy’s but Indy’s don’t turn as well. Thunders are just right if you need to pop fast turn quick and want more flip trickability. You can do every trick on any truck but thunders makes it easier to flip and flop your deck with it’s flexible but stable geometry
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I get that truck height & weight (along with probably wheel size) will likely play a role in how a board responds.

Is this the general consensus though- Thunder's offer improved/better flipping, based on geometry?

I feel like it is because the way the hangar is pushed out more than in like Indy’s gives you a faster pop up and response so you get a faster response to trying tricks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 06, 2017, 11:35:09 PM
If you are riding thunders and you are thinking Ace.....the correct answer is Indy....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: imad on December 07, 2017, 12:59:46 AM
If you are riding any truck besides raw Indy's, or raw Thunders which barely get a pass...you eat the shit of a gay twink.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nallid on December 07, 2017, 01:59:01 AM
Venture needs to make the 5.8 hollows again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on December 07, 2017, 04:04:30 AM
Quote from: Nallid on December 07, 2017, 01:59:01 AM
Venture needs to make the 5.8 hollows again.

And please make them raw or polished only!!!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on December 07, 2017, 07:51:14 AM
How's this retardation:
My 2 setups are:

This is my Nostalgia/"keeping it core bro" setup:

JK Industries 8.0 w/Indy standard 139s Spitfire 52s and Swiss. BUT shoes must be my Emerica Reynolds G6 to skate this.

And my "getting with the times/ live in the now, Wayne" setup:

Real 8.0 w/Thunder 147 hi Spitfire 52s and swiss. BUT i must wear my Adidas Busenitz to skate this.

The battle between my old style and new style is real (in my head)

Trying to move on from the 1998 me , but the JK graphic is an old Birdhouse one and I "had to" have Indys and Emericas (ps: reynolds shoe rules) for that style to be "complete ". So that whole deal is trying to recapture something. Cant turn off the crazy.

Other setup is just "hey this is cool" and I feel sane with it. Ha

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 07, 2017, 01:01:01 PM
Seriously if you think Colored trucks are gay your not skating, your just posing

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on December 07, 2017, 02:24:42 PM
(http://i66.tinypic.com/212wr5e.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on December 07, 2017, 04:34:26 PM
^ Hahah that fuckin got me.. +1 for you sir
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nallid on December 07, 2017, 09:44:48 PM
I picked up the new thunder titanium team 149s.  They're supposed to have 99du bushings, but these things feel just as soft as the old translucent yellow ones, and I think they were only 90. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sedition on December 07, 2017, 10:10:24 PM
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Is this the general consensus though- Thunder's offer improved/better flipping, based on geometry?

It depends on how you like your flip and pop to "work." Indys, esp. the standard 55mm Indys, are a lot taller than Thunders (inc., the new Team thunders, which are 1mm taller than standard Thunders). The result of that is a steeper angle on the the ollie/nollie, thus making them more powerful. There is some video with Prof. Schmitt and Spencer Nuzzi which explains the physics of it. So, as the theory goes, Indys will give you a higher pop than Thunders due to their height.

On the flip side (pun intended), with a lower truck, the tail hits sooner, thus allowing you start the flip on the board (e.g. kickflip, nollie flip, etc.) sooner. Is that better? It all depends on what you like. 

One issue I have with Thunders is how short the outer end of their baseplates are. Take a pair of Thunders and put a 53mm wheel on them, and push them against a wall; the WHEELS will hit the wall, and the end of the baseplate WILL NOT TOUCH. With Indys, the reverse is true (baseplate touches, but wheels do not). So, if you are doing a really locked-in nose/tail slide on Thunders, you need to wax the fuck out of the inside of the ledge BECAUSE THE WHEELS ARE WHAT'S SLIDING. With Indys (or almost any other truck), you can lock-in against the baseplate, and don't have to worry about getting "wheel bite" during the slide. I can nose/tail slide much better on Indys than Thunders, because with Thunders my wheels always "catch," unless there is a stupid amount of wax on the ledge.   

EDIT: I personally think the Stage 11 55mm Indys are too high, and the standard Thunders are too low. 53mm forged Indys, or Thunder Teams...you're in the butter zone.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sedition on December 07, 2017, 10:33:20 PM
I just took these two pics (see above post). Spitfire 53mm classic shape used on both.

Indys: Wheels do not touch, but baseplate does.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/dfisg5.jpg)

Thunder: Wheels hit, baseplate does not.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/ffbn8i.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on December 07, 2017, 10:33:47 PM
Quote from: Sedition on December 07, 2017, 10:10:24 PM
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Is this the general consensus though- Thunder's offer improved/better flipping, based on geometry?
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It depends on how you like your flip and pop to "work." Indys, esp. the standard 55mm Indys, are a lot taller than Thunders (inc., the new Team thunders, which are 1mm taller than standard Thunders). The result of that is a steeper angle on the the ollie/nollie, thus making them more powerful. There is some video with Prof. Schmitt and Spencer Nuzzi which explains the physics of it. So, as the theory goes, Indys will give you a higher pop than Thunders due to their height.

On the flip side (pun intended), with a lower truck, the tail hits sooner, thus allowing you start the flip on the board (e.g. kickflip, nollie flip, etc.) sooner. Is that better? It all depends on what you like. 

One issue I have with Thunders is how short the outer end of their baseplates are. Take a pair of Thunders and put a 53mm wheel on them, and push them against a wall; the WHEELS will hit the wall, and the end of the baseplate WILL NOT TOUCH. With Indys, the reverse is true (baseplate touches, but wheels do not). So, if you are doing a really locked-in nose/tail slide on Thunders, you need to wax the fuck out of the inside of the ledge BECAUSE THE WHEELS ARE WHAT'S SLIDING. With Indys (or almost any other truck), you can lock-in against the baseplate, and don't have to worry about getting "wheel bite" during the slide. I can nose/tail slide much better on Indys than Thunders, because with Thunders my wheels always "catch," unless there is a stupid amount of wax on the ledge.   

EDIT: I personally think the Stage 11 55mm Indys are too high, and the standard Thunders are too low. 53mm forged Indys, or Thunder Teams...you're in the butter zone.

The effect is true, but the reason isn't solely due to that. It's not just that the baseplate is short, but rather the geometry of Thunders. The hangar/axle is pushed out, extending the wheelbase and thus causing the wheels to touch the ledge before the baseplate. An easy solution without changing the geometry would be for them to just extend the baseplate a bit, which would obviously cost a bit more for them to make. The extended wheelbase isn't necessarily bad though, provides more stability, like a board with a longer wheelbase would.

Another thing to keep in mind when it comes to the way trucks affect your flip and pop, besides just the height, is whether the way the hangar/axle is positioned extends, maintains or shrinks your wheelbase. If we use Indys as the standard, then Thunders extend the wheelbase and Aces shrink it.

Another effect that this axle to axle distance between the trucks has is the turning radius. Given the same tightness and board wheelbase, trucks that shrink your wheelbase should have a sharper turn than ones that extend it. I'm guessing this could contribute to the sentiment that Ace's have a supposedly surfy and quick turn, whereas people generally seem to say Thunders zig zag, or tilt, rather than make smooth s shaped carves, though there are other more complicated factors to consider.

This, along with the length/steepness your tail is, as well as the distance between the mounting holes and where the kick of your tail begins all have effects of varying magnitude on the way your setup pops. It's all about what you personally prefer. That being said, if you don't have complaints about what you're skating, just don't think about it and skate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sedition on December 07, 2017, 10:43:34 PM
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It's not just that the baseplate is short, but rather the geometry of Thunders.
Thunders have a weird hole pattern/baseplate configuration. Take a Thunder baseplate, and hold it against almost any other baseplate (so that mountain hardware holes line up), and you will see how much shorter their baseplates are on the front end. Likewise, try to mount thunders with any standard riser/shock pad, and their will be large portion of the riser/shock pad sticking out from the front of the baseplate; this isn't because the axle/hanger is moved forward, it's because the baseplate is short on the front end (compared with other trucks).

And of course, all that other stuff you mentioned about (truck) wheel base, pocket on the deck, etc. are all factors in how "pop" works...but I wasn't trying to get too technical when addressing the question the other guy asked. :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on December 07, 2017, 10:50:15 PM
Quote from: Sedition on December 07, 2017, 10:43:34 PM
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It's not just that the baseplate is short, but rather the geometry of Thunders.
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Thunders have a weird hole pattern/baseplate configuration. Take a Thunder baseplate, and hold it against almost any other baseplate (so that mountain hardware holes line up), and you will see how much shorter their baseplates are on the front end. Likewise, try to mount thunders with any standard riser/shock pad, and their will be large portion of the riser/shock pad sticking out from the front of the baseplate; this isn't because the axle/hanger is moved forward, it's because the baseplate is short on the front end.

And of course, all that other stuff you mentioned about (truck) wheel base, pocket on the deck, etc. are all factors in how "pop" works...but I wasn't trying to get too technical when addressing the question the other guy asked. :)

Yeah definitely, wasn't trying to start an argument, just noting that truck height is far from the only factor that determines the way a skateboard pops, and that there are other things to consider. Also you're right, just took a look at some old Thunder 149 baseplates and compared them to the baseplates of my ace 44s and 55s and the baseplate is indeed shorter. Didn't notice that before. I guess the wheelbase extension combined with the shrunken baseplate definitely creates more wheel friction. Funny thing is, I had never noticed any of this when I skated my 149s until I read this thread, when will the madness end.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on December 08, 2017, 09:02:40 AM
quick Q: Do krux downlow kingpins grind any differently than normal ones? I came across this caswell post where he states in the comments that he hates the way they grind compared to standardized ones, which is weird cause I thought the point of them was not to touch down on grinds.

Caution: some teeth rattling cacophony
https://www.instagram.com/p/BY1hTW7jymx/?taken-by=caswellberry
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chodekaka on December 08, 2017, 01:03:58 PM
Quote from: franquietits on December 08, 2017, 09:02:40 AM
quick Q: Do krux downlow kingpins grind any differently than normal ones? I came across this caswell post where he states in the comments that he hates the way they grind compared to standardized ones, which is weird cause I thought the point of them was not to touch down on grinds.

Caution: some teeth rattling cacophony
https://www.instagram.com/p/BY1hTW7jymx/?taken-by=caswellberry
Where does he say that in the comments?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on December 08, 2017, 05:53:50 PM
Dumb question but my new Thunders got here (147 hi) and they have blue bushings? Reason I'm confused, my last ones had the yellow transparent ones? Is blue the normal now?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 08, 2017, 05:55:21 PM
Quote from: franquietits on December 08, 2017, 09:02:40 AM
quick Q: Do krux downlow kingpins grind any differently than normal ones? I came across this caswell post where he states in the comments that he hates the way they grind compared to standardized ones, which is weird cause I thought the point of them was not to touch down on grinds.

Caution: some teeth rattling cacophony
https://www.instagram.com/p/BY1hTW7jymx/?taken-by=caswellberry

It’s not about how they grind, it’s about the way the krux or any trucks with an upside down kingpin feel, because the pin isn’t securely snug as balls in the socket when you carve and zig zag around you feel this twitch kinda unstable feel to your turns, like the kingpin is working in the turns too by just the hangar on the bushings

I tried to ride krux downlows and even with the forged plates they still got that shifted/loose kingpin feel
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 08, 2017, 05:58:48 PM
Quote from: fang on December 08, 2017, 05:53:50 PM
Dumb question but my new Thunders got here (147 hi) and they have blue bushings? Reason I'm confused, my last ones had the yellow transparent ones? Is blue the normal now?

No, they just put the bushing color that goes with the design really, besides the exception on that all there premium truck(usually painted, lights, hollow lights and titanium’s) that get the nice softer 90 white ones

My 148 came with orange, standard 147 and 149 cane with yellow, old 147 black/raw had black bushings, and my recent suciu hollow lights came with the premium white
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nallid on December 08, 2017, 06:01:26 PM
Quote from: fang on December 08, 2017, 05:53:50 PM
Dumb question but my new Thunders got here (147 hi) and they have blue bushings? Reason I'm confused, my last ones had the yellow transparent ones? Is blue the normal now?
Are the baseplates black?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on December 08, 2017, 06:08:23 PM
Quote from: Nallid on December 08, 2017, 06:01:26 PM
Quote from: fang on December 08, 2017, 05:53:50 PM
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Dumb question but my new Thunders got here (147 hi) and they have blue bushings? Reason I'm confused, my last ones had the yellow transparent ones? Is blue the normal now?
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Are the baseplates black?

All silver. Polished 147s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yatallfreak on December 08, 2017, 06:16:05 PM
Quote from: Nallid on December 07, 2017, 01:59:01 AM
Venture needs to make the 5.8 hollows again.

I cant remember what skateshop I ordered my Ventures from but I ordered 5.8's and they ended up being the hollows. I'm skating them right now so it wasn't too long ago either. Could've been old stock but maybe they still do make them?

Edit: just remembered where I got them but I checked the site and they didnt have any Ventures at all that could fit an 8.5 board ://
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chodekaka on December 08, 2017, 06:58:20 PM
Quote from: fang on December 08, 2017, 06:08:23 PM
Quote from: Nallid on December 08, 2017, 06:01:26 PM
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Quote from: fang on December 08, 2017, 05:53:50 PM
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Dumb question but my new Thunders got here (147 hi) and they have blue bushings? Reason I'm confused, my last ones had the yellow transparent ones? Is blue the normal now?
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Are the baseplates black?
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All silver. Polished 147s
Same thing just happened to me with team 149 plain usually have yellow bushings but they are blue. Must have changed or something, I asked before buying them and the guy seemed to think that was normal and he’d seen blue ones before. One also had a mismatched pivot cup, and the hangar would not sit straight. And they have axle slip already. I was thinking they were fake thunders or something but the shop I bought them at I trust and I didn’t want to go back and say anything so I just threw the hangars on old forged baseplates. Still have axle slip though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chodekaka on December 08, 2017, 07:15:12 PM
(http://www.decimalstore.com/image/cache/catalog/products/HARDWARE/TRUCKS/THUNDER/Team/thunderraw1452-300x300.jpg)
Looks like this right
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on December 08, 2017, 07:41:28 PM
Quote from: chodekaka on December 08, 2017, 07:15:12 PM
(http://www.decimalstore.com/image/cache/catalog/products/HARDWARE/TRUCKS/THUNDER/Team/thunderraw1452-300x300.jpg)
Looks like this right

Yep! I guess I expected yellow like last time so I kinda hit the panic button
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nallid on December 08, 2017, 11:26:51 PM
Quote from: yatallfreak on December 08, 2017, 06:16:05 PM
Quote from: Nallid on December 07, 2017, 01:59:01 AM
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Venture needs to make the 5.8 hollows again.
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I cant remember what skateshop I ordered my Ventures from but I ordered 5.8's and they ended up being the hollows. I'm skating them right now so it wasn't too long ago either. Could've been old stock but maybe they still do make them?

Edit: just remembered where I got them but I checked the site and they didnt have any Ventures at all that could fit an 8.5 board ://
I emailed DLX, they told me they're not in production anymore.  It's a shame, but I guess they're focused on the smaller set up market.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: colt cannon lunchbox on December 10, 2017, 03:47:46 PM
Anyone know why my front truck would be rattling really loud? I'm skating the inverted kingpin royals. I took the kingpin out to change the bushings over and when I put it back in and started skating there is this really loud rattle? The turn is fine the sound is just annoying.

Btw the trucks, in general, are much better than expected, I would happily stick with this set for another year or so if I can lose this noise.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on December 10, 2017, 05:05:02 PM
Quote from: colt cannon lunchbox on December 10, 2017, 03:47:46 PM
Anyone know why my front truck would be rattling really loud? I'm skating the inverted kingpin royals. I took the kingpin out to change the bushings over and when I put it back in and started skating there is this really loud rattle? The turn is fine the sound is just annoying.

Btw the trucks, in general, are much better than expected, I would happily stick with this set for another year or so if I can lose this noise.
sounds like a loose kingpin could be the reason, take the hanger off and see if it jiggles/moves
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on December 10, 2017, 06:50:51 PM
what ever happened to the rounded thunder baseplates we saw a few people rocking like gerwer and ishod?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on December 11, 2017, 08:58:23 PM
Quote from: fulfillthedream on December 10, 2017, 06:50:51 PM
what ever happened to the rounded thunder baseplates we saw a few people rocking like gerwer and ishod?

Still under R&D probably
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 11, 2017, 09:06:37 PM
Quote from: clamy on December 11, 2017, 03:08:21 AM
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We’re almost to page 100!
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We'll be at 200 pages by mid-next year if our little buddy Robby keeps posting.

Ah ah ah maybe, idk I’ve been slowly growing out of the madness ever since finding out my shoe size and getting shoes that actually fit therefore finding a better feel for my deck and truck size therefore skating better and progressing more sticking to what works than messing around to find the key

So idk...been sticking to thunder 147 for the last month or so and they’ve been doing me so good on a generator/bbs 8.06

Getting the brad cromer feel, but don’t worry slap friends I’m waiting on some destructo lows to restock on skate warehouse and gonna see how those skate since destructo use to be the stuff.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chodekaka on December 11, 2017, 09:20:15 PM
Quote from: rob on December 11, 2017, 09:06:37 PM
Quote from: clamy on December 11, 2017, 03:08:21 AM
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We’re almost to page 100!
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We'll be at 200 pages by mid-next year if our little buddy Robby keeps posting.
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Ah ah ah maybe, idk I’ve been slowly growing out of the madness ever since finding out my shoe size and getting shoes that actually fit therefore finding a better feel for my deck and truck size therefore skating better and progressing more sticking to what works than messing around to find the key

So idk...been sticking to thunder 147 for the last month or so and they’ve been doing me so good on a generator/bbs 8.06

Getting the brad cromer feel, but don’t worry slap friends I’m waiting on some destructo lows to restock on skate warehouse and gonna see how those skate since destructo use to be the stuff.
Do you wear size 8 shoes?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 11, 2017, 09:54:25 PM
Quote from: chodekaka on December 11, 2017, 09:20:15 PM
Quote from: rob on December 11, 2017, 09:06:37 PM
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Quote from: clamy on December 11, 2017, 03:08:21 AM
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We’re almost to page 100!
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We'll be at 200 pages by mid-next year if our little buddy Robby keeps posting.
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Ah ah ah maybe, idk I’ve been slowly growing out of the madness ever since finding out my shoe size and getting shoes that actually fit therefore finding a better feel for my deck and truck size therefore skating better and progressing more sticking to what works than messing around to find the key

So idk...been sticking to thunder 147 for the last month or so and they’ve been doing me so good on a generator/bbs 8.06

Getting the brad cromer feel, but don’t worry slap friends I’m waiting on some destructo lows to restock on skate warehouse and gonna see how those skate since destructo use to be the stuff.
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Do you wear size 8 shoes?

Nah I’m a 9/9.5 but I started skating in the 7.5-7.8 deck days and I was a strict 9 then and I think basically obviously since I only went up half a size in shoes I just needed to go from 7.8 to 8.1/8.2 max to keep up with my board feel and progression growing

But I was trying to be a big shoes big dick boy and wore size 10 and messed with 8.25 and up and just degressed cause lack of board feel and control

Anyways, back to trucks do any of you guys wonder how deluxe/ermico came up with how thunders are? Like r&d wise? Cause seriously how are these trucks so good??

They turn just enough, super stable, light and strong.

I know they started out as just Indy’s with a sticker and called thunders but when did they become what they are from 2000-now(typo 199?-now) with the contoured hangars and baseplate style
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 11, 2017, 09:58:34 PM
Also anyone have any experience with doh dohs in Indy’s?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 12, 2017, 12:07:47 AM
Is time repeating itself ?

These are thunders from 2002 that look exactly like the thunders we have now called the “remastered 147 II”

(http://skately.com/img/library/print/large/thunder-trucks-erik-ellington-2002.jpg)

So is the new thunder 147 III gonna be the thunders from before? They weren’t bad and actually the old team ones feel lighter than the now team ones and I loved them even though they looked cheap and weird but seriously what’s up

(http://static.shelta.se/images/32005.jpg?width=800&height=531&watermark=shelta-gb.png)

(http://www.arktz.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/thunder147-hi.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 12, 2017, 08:36:07 AM
Let us all take a moment of silence for all our brothers and sisters who are dealing with truck madness. We have reached page 100 and shown the world that it’s not easy, but we’re strong as one. *holds back tears*
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on December 12, 2017, 09:32:15 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 12, 2017, 08:36:07 AM
Let us all take a moment of silence for all our brothers and sisters who are dealing with truck madness. We have reached page 100 and shown the world that it’s not easy, but we’re strong as one. *holds back tears*

Many people could be cured of truck madness if Indy lowered the stage 11 by a mm and a half, and if thunder raised everything 1 mm across the board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 12, 2017, 10:10:52 AM
Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on December 12, 2017, 09:32:15 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 12, 2017, 08:36:07 AM
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Let us all take a moment of silence for all our brothers and sisters who are dealing with truck madness. We have reached page 100 and shown the world that it’s not easy, but we’re strong as one. *holds back tears*
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Many people could be cured of truck madness if Indy lowered the stage 11 by a mm and a half, and if thunder raised everything 1 mm across the board.

I agree with the Indy’s not with the thunders, I think they’re at their maximum for the style
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nallid on December 12, 2017, 10:23:10 AM
The new team thunder bushings are definitely not 99du btw. Soft, same old wheel bite problems. Bought the aftermarket 94s and they're so much harder.
(http://www.thundertrucks.com/catalog/fall17/img/05-team-polished-dt.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cthulhu! on December 12, 2017, 11:07:06 AM
I liked the yellow bushings after they mushed in properly. I don't know about this red stuff it's going to throw everything off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 12, 2017, 01:54:38 PM
Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on December 12, 2017, 09:32:15 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 12, 2017, 08:36:07 AM
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Let us all take a moment of silence for all our brothers and sisters who are dealing with truck madness. We have reached page 100 and shown the world that it’s not easy, but we’re strong as one. *holds back tears*
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Many people could be cured of truck madness if Indy lowered the stage 11 by a mm and a half, and if thunder raised everything 1 mm across the board.

The Indy forged plates are exactly what you’re looking for, then. Yeah, they’re more expensive but I think it’s worth it. I’ve broken a bunch of baseplates and warped cast Indy ones at the pivot from doing slappies. Thunder should be making 53-53.5 tall trucks, I agree. I also agree that the baseplate not going past the hanger for slides is a design flaw.

I don’t know, I tried the forged titanium thunders with a 1/8” riser and the turn really wasn’t much better than Indy’s sluggish turn. I also noticed how even though the hanger metal is the same as an Indy, the Thunders were so sticky on grinds it was unbearable. I could throw on some Indy’s and grind the same rail and they’d glide like butter. It made no sense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 12, 2017, 05:27:33 PM
Makes no sense?  So it's not us?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on December 12, 2017, 11:20:25 PM
Quote from: rob on December 11, 2017, 09:58:34 PM
Also anyone have any experience with doh dohs in Indy’s?

Max Palmer seems to like that combo.


http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2017/01/18/the-pro-skaters-guide-to-loose-trucks/


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 12, 2017, 11:28:33 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on December 12, 2017, 11:20:25 PM
Quote from: rob on December 11, 2017, 09:58:34 PM
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Also anyone have any experience with doh dohs in Indy’s?
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Max Palmer seems to like that combo.


http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2017/01/18/the-pro-skaters-guide-to-loose-trucks/

Thanks for the heads up nestorkins!! Freaking love Max Palmer!! he rides loose trucks so freaking great, it’s like you don’t expect his trucks to be so loose with those clean flip tricks then you notice here and there that front truck wobbles so much it’s insane

But how do doh doh compare to bones and Indy bushings?

I noticed almost half the Indy riders use bones mediums or whatever and I thought what about doh dohs?? One of shortys outstanding products besides hardware and black panther bearings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shadow on December 13, 2017, 10:13:25 AM
you guys who think indys are too tall...how does max manage to skate them with 1/4" risers in the 917 video? By my calculations that's a little over 60mm tall. kinda wanna try that with soft or super soft aftermarkets.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on December 13, 2017, 11:21:45 AM
Quote from: shadow on December 13, 2017, 10:13:25 AM
you guys who think indys are too tall...how does max manage to skate them with 1/4" risers in the 917 video? By my calculations that's a little over 60mm tall. kinda wanna try that with soft or super soft aftermarkets.

There's no rule that your truck setup has to be a certain height to skate, eric winkowski rides pretty tall too. Its all preference, Stage 11s with 55mm wheels is the tallest I can go without feeling outta wack.

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Let us all take a moment of silence for all our brothers and sisters who are dealing with truck madness. We have reached page 100 and shown the world that it’s not easy, but we’re strong as one. *holds back tears*
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Many people could be cured of truck madness if Indy lowered the stage 11 by a mm and a half, and if thunder raised everything 1 mm across the board.
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The Indy forged plates are exactly what you’re looking for, then. Yeah, they’re more expensive but I think it’s worth it. I’ve broken a bunch of baseplates and warped cast Indy ones at the pivot from doing slappies. Thunder should be making 53-53.5 tall trucks, I agree. I also agree that the baseplate not going past the hanger for slides is a design flaw.

I don’t know, I tried the forged titanium thunders with a 1/8” riser and the turn really wasn’t much better than Indy’s sluggish turn. I also noticed how even though the hanger metal is the same as an Indy, the Thunders were so sticky on grinds it was unbearable. I could throw on some Indy’s and grind the same rail and they’d glide like butter. It made no sense.

Cool! I just went to check em out, I didn't know there was that much of a difference in height. I gotta get my hands on some.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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you guys who think indys are too tall...how does max manage to skate them with 1/4" risers in the 917 video? By my calculations that's a little over 60mm tall. kinda wanna try that with soft or super soft aftermarkets.
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There's no rule that your truck setup has to be a certain height to skate, eric winkowski rides pretty tall too. Its all preference, Stage 11s with 55mm wheels is the tallest I can go without feeling outta wack.

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Let us all take a moment of silence for all our brothers and sisters who are dealing with truck madness. We have reached page 100 and shown the world that it’s not easy, but we’re strong as one. *holds back tears*
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Many people could be cured of truck madness if Indy lowered the stage 11 by a mm and a half, and if thunder raised everything 1 mm across the board.
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The Indy forged plates are exactly what you’re looking for, then. Yeah, they’re more expensive but I think it’s worth it. I’ve broken a bunch of baseplates and warped cast Indy ones at the pivot from doing slappies. Thunder should be making 53-53.5 tall trucks, I agree. I also agree that the baseplate not going past the hanger for slides is a design flaw.

I don’t know, I tried the forged titanium thunders with a 1/8” riser and the turn really wasn’t much better than Indy’s sluggish turn. I also noticed how even though the hanger metal is the same as an Indy, the Thunders were so sticky on grinds it was unbearable. I could throw on some Indy’s and grind the same rail and they’d glide like butter. It made no sense.
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Cool! I just went to check em out, I didn't know there was that much of a difference in height. I gotta get my hands on some.
I have some forged baseplates I could send you for free if you want.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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you guys who think indys are too tall...how does max manage to skate them with 1/4" risers in the 917 video? By my calculations that's a little over 60mm tall. kinda wanna try that with soft or super soft aftermarkets.
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There's no rule that your truck setup has to be a certain height to skate, eric winkowski rides pretty tall too. Its all preference, Stage 11s with 55mm wheels is the tallest I can go without feeling outta wack.

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Let us all take a moment of silence for all our brothers and sisters who are dealing with truck madness. We have reached page 100 and shown the world that it’s not easy, but we’re strong as one. *holds back tears*
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Many people could be cured of truck madness if Indy lowered the stage 11 by a mm and a half, and if thunder raised everything 1 mm across the board.
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The Indy forged plates are exactly what you’re looking for, then. Yeah, they’re more expensive but I think it’s worth it. I’ve broken a bunch of baseplates and warped cast Indy ones at the pivot from doing slappies. Thunder should be making 53-53.5 tall trucks, I agree. I also agree that the baseplate not going past the hanger for slides is a design flaw.

I don’t know, I tried the forged titanium thunders with a 1/8” riser and the turn really wasn’t much better than Indy’s sluggish turn. I also noticed how even though the hanger metal is the same as an Indy, the Thunders were so sticky on grinds it was unbearable. I could throw on some Indy’s and grind the same rail and they’d glide like butter. It made no sense.
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Cool! I just went to check em out, I didn't know there was that much of a difference in height. I gotta get my hands on some.
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I have some forged baseplates I could send you for free if you want.

Really? That would be pretty righteous! I'll send you something too, I've got a good amount of spare bits around.. Anything you've been looking for?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 13, 2017, 05:28:21 PM
Just saying, although Ace’s aren’t a forged baseplate, they’re 53mm tall and turn better than Indy or Thunder, so if you haven’t tried them I recommend them, Abberdash.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on December 13, 2017, 05:39:20 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 13, 2017, 05:28:21 PM
Just saying, although Ace’s aren’t a forged baseplate, they’re 53mm tall and turn better than Indy or Thunder, so if you haven’t tried them I recommend them, Abberdash.

I gave Aces a good chance, they're just not for me. Although I agree the turn is perfect, they shorten the wheelbase too much. Plus I never felt stable at high speeds like I do on indy or thunder.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Trashcon on December 13, 2017, 07:50:13 PM
Can we get Daewon to explain his truck set up? I've seen a video of him talking about his trucks and it sounded pretty intense. I don't think he uses bushings on his front truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on December 13, 2017, 09:14:24 PM
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Can we get Daewon to explain his truck set up? I've seen a video of him talking about his trucks and it sounded pretty intense. I don't think he uses bushings on his front truck.


http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2017/01/18/the-pro-skaters-guide-to-loose-trucks/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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you guys who think indys are too tall...how does max manage to skate them with 1/4" risers in the 917 video? By my calculations that's a little over 60mm tall. kinda wanna try that with soft or super soft aftermarkets.
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There's no rule that your truck setup has to be a certain height to skate, eric winkowski rides pretty tall too. Its all preference, Stage 11s with 55mm wheels is the tallest I can go without feeling outta wack.

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Let us all take a moment of silence for all our brothers and sisters who are dealing with truck madness. We have reached page 100 and shown the world that it’s not easy, but we’re strong as one. *holds back tears*
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Many people could be cured of truck madness if Indy lowered the stage 11 by a mm and a half, and if thunder raised everything 1 mm across the board.
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The Indy forged plates are exactly what you’re looking for, then. Yeah, they’re more expensive but I think it’s worth it. I’ve broken a bunch of baseplates and warped cast Indy ones at the pivot from doing slappies. Thunder should be making 53-53.5 tall trucks, I agree. I also agree that the baseplate not going past the hanger for slides is a design flaw.

I don’t know, I tried the forged titanium thunders with a 1/8” riser and the turn really wasn’t much better than Indy’s sluggish turn. I also noticed how even though the hanger metal is the same as an Indy, the Thunders were so sticky on grinds it was unbearable. I could throw on some Indy’s and grind the same rail and they’d glide like butter. It made no sense.
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Cool! I just went to check em out, I didn't know there was that much of a difference in height. I gotta get my hands on some.
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I have some forged baseplates I could send you for free if you want.
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Really? That would be pretty righteous! I'll send you something too, I've got a good amount of spare bits around.. Anything you've been looking for?
Naw don’t worry about it I’m not really looking for anything. Just have too much shit from truck madness and hate seeing it sit around going to waste so I always like to send it out or give it away to make myself feel better about being greedy and needlessly buying trucks like a psychopath. I blame rob he almost made me buy minilogo trucks once, when I told the dude at my skate shop all the pros I had heard about them from rob they denied it all and spared me. Destructo D2 are pretty sweet though. I just went and bought brand new thunders not worrying about any kooky colours just set them up and skate and guess why? Freaking rob told me to and he makes it sound so good. Just dm me your shipping address.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 13, 2017, 10:45:15 PM
Theeves.....definitely theeves.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 14, 2017, 10:41:07 AM
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Theeves.....definitely theeves.....

I've been locked into my theeves for a while now, stock bottoms (they're taller than bones and even stock thunders and that's without a washer) bones soft tops + bottom and top washers; kingpin is long, I'm way more threads showing than on other trucks.

Anyway, surfy, turny yet stable. I do have some truck wobble/looseness in the pivot area due to how loose I ride but the wobble is obviously only off the board. Really digging them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on December 14, 2017, 11:26:11 AM
Maybe b/c its so cold but I can't get my Thunders or Indys to turn the way I like. So I'm currently stuck on Ace. Currently on 44s, Krux bushings on an 8.75" board. Full Magic Carpet and loving it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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you guys who think indys are too tall...how does max manage to skate them with 1/4" risers in the 917 video? By my calculations that's a little over 60mm tall. kinda wanna try that with soft or super soft aftermarkets.
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There's no rule that your truck setup has to be a certain height to skate, eric winkowski rides pretty tall too. Its all preference, Stage 11s with 55mm wheels is the tallest I can go without feeling outta wack.

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Let us all take a moment of silence for all our brothers and sisters who are dealing with truck madness. We have reached page 100 and shown the world that it’s not easy, but we’re strong as one. *holds back tears*
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Many people could be cured of truck madness if Indy lowered the stage 11 by a mm and a half, and if thunder raised everything 1 mm across the board.
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The Indy forged plates are exactly what you’re looking for, then. Yeah, they’re more expensive but I think it’s worth it. I’ve broken a bunch of baseplates and warped cast Indy ones at the pivot from doing slappies. Thunder should be making 53-53.5 tall trucks, I agree. I also agree that the baseplate not going past the hanger for slides is a design flaw.

I don’t know, I tried the forged titanium thunders with a 1/8” riser and the turn really wasn’t much better than Indy’s sluggish turn. I also noticed how even though the hanger metal is the same as an Indy, the Thunders were so sticky on grinds it was unbearable. I could throw on some Indy’s and grind the same rail and they’d glide like butter. It made no sense.
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Cool! I just went to check em out, I didn't know there was that much of a difference in height. I gotta get my hands on some.
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I have some forged baseplates I could send you for free if you want.
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Really? That would be pretty righteous! I'll send you something too, I've got a good amount of spare bits around.. Anything you've been looking for?
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Naw don’t worry about it I’m not really looking for anything. Just have too much shit from truck madness and hate seeing it sit around going to waste so I always like to send it out or give it away to make myself feel better about being greedy and needlessly buying trucks like a psychopath. I blame rob he almost made me buy minilogo trucks once, when I told the dude at my skate shop all the pros I had heard about them from rob they denied it all and spared me. Destructo D2 are pretty sweet though. I just went and bought brand new thunders not worrying about any kooky colours just set them up and skate and guess why? Freaking rob told me to and he makes it sound so good. Just dm me your shipping address.

The thunders are still good in my books, they’ve been doing so good for me. My awesome white and blue suciu hollow lights

The mini logos are good, just they’re kinda too low and the kingpins get loose. Overall though they’re good, for a low truck that’s light, turns well, and responds well

Destructo d2 are good? How do you know?

Giving my ole 139 forged hollow Indy’s a try for giggles and so far they’re not all that great like everyone says, they turn well and feel good but pop response is too tall and lags by half a second or whole second

Thunders are best
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sandboxcop on December 14, 2017, 02:05:45 PM
Just switched out my hollow indy 149's for thunder ti light 149's, what a world of difference. Stock tightness is perfect and pop response is on the money. Flip tricks just feel right, and the bushings aren't all noisy and shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chodekaka on December 14, 2017, 02:30:03 PM
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you guys who think indys are too tall...how does max manage to skate them with 1/4" risers in the 917 video? By my calculations that's a little over 60mm tall. kinda wanna try that with soft or super soft aftermarkets.
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There's no rule that your truck setup has to be a certain height to skate, eric winkowski rides pretty tall too. Its all preference, Stage 11s with 55mm wheels is the tallest I can go without feeling outta wack.

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Let us all take a moment of silence for all our brothers and sisters who are dealing with truck madness. We have reached page 100 and shown the world that it’s not easy, but we’re strong as one. *holds back tears*
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Many people could be cured of truck madness if Indy lowered the stage 11 by a mm and a half, and if thunder raised everything 1 mm across the board.
[close]

The Indy forged plates are exactly what you’re looking for, then. Yeah, they’re more expensive but I think it’s worth it. I’ve broken a bunch of baseplates and warped cast Indy ones at the pivot from doing slappies. Thunder should be making 53-53.5 tall trucks, I agree. I also agree that the baseplate not going past the hanger for slides is a design flaw.

I don’t know, I tried the forged titanium thunders with a 1/8” riser and the turn really wasn’t much better than Indy’s sluggish turn. I also noticed how even though the hanger metal is the same as an Indy, the Thunders were so sticky on grinds it was unbearable. I could throw on some Indy’s and grind the same rail and they’d glide like butter. It made no sense.
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Cool! I just went to check em out, I didn't know there was that much of a difference in height. I gotta get my hands on some.
[close]
I have some forged baseplates I could send you for free if you want.
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Really? That would be pretty righteous! I'll send you something too, I've got a good amount of spare bits around.. Anything you've been looking for?
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Naw don’t worry about it I’m not really looking for anything. Just have too much shit from truck madness and hate seeing it sit around going to waste so I always like to send it out or give it away to make myself feel better about being greedy and needlessly buying trucks like a psychopath. I blame rob he almost made me buy minilogo trucks once, when I told the dude at my skate shop all the pros I had heard about them from rob they denied it all and spared me. Destructo D2 are pretty sweet though. I just went and bought brand new thunders not worrying about any kooky colours just set them up and skate and guess why? Freaking rob told me to and he makes it sound so good. Just dm me your shipping address.
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The thunders are still good in my books, they’ve been doing so good for me. My awesome white and blue suciu hollow lights

The mini logos are good, just they’re kinda too low and the kingpins get loose. Overall though they’re good, for a low truck that’s light, turns well, and responds well

Destructo d2 are good? How do you know?

Giving my ole 139 forged hollow Indy’s a try for giggles and so far they’re not all that great like everyone says, they turn well and feel good but pop response is too tall and lags by half a second or whole second

Thunders are best
1985 boardshop in Victoria Canada stocks destructos, he got some 300 pairs for a deal they have (or had) lows as well I know you’ve been looking for that but the shipping probably would not be worth it if you’re American. I tried the D2 lites and they weren’t bad at all similar feel to a silver M class, they advertise everything as aircraft grade aluminum and apparently they have a similar warranty as independents. I just felt they were a bit too high for me, and fabrizio santos was the only reason I bought destructos anyways. They actually are well made trucks I just like the aesthetic of thunders the best and I think it’s the best overall truck package for me. I just went and purchased 148 titanium teams and have ridden them for a few days now without any adjustments or bushing swaps. I will admit, my guilty pleasure is tensor mag regulars. They are expensive and last for maybe a month but they make skateboarding feel different because of how they slide and how light they are. Like using a Powell flight deck you can do some things differently but they get destroyed quick.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chodekaka on December 14, 2017, 02:41:13 PM
No lie this is how they look after the first session. I had to stop buying them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 14, 2017, 02:41:26 PM
Yeah so far out of every truck I’ve tried thunders haven’t failed me

Thanks for the heads up, I got some destructo lows on reserve til they restock them on skate warehouse so looking forward to those now

But In the mean time I think I’m gonna stick to my thunders, they seem low but they’re actually on point with the height for my medium tight preference

It’s funny how they mold 147 on the hangars now not just all the bigger sizes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on December 14, 2017, 02:57:38 PM
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Yeah so far out of every truck I’ve tried thunders haven’t failed me

Thanks for the heads up, I got some destructo lows on reserve til they restock them on skate warehouse so looking forward to those now

But In the mean time I think I’m gonna stick to my thunders, they seem low but they’re actually on point with the height for my medium tight preference

It’s funny how they mold 147 on the hangars now not just all the bigger sizes

That seems to be a big factor deciding between indy and thunder these days. I like my thunders medium/medium tight too, and indys seem to feel best loosened up..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on December 14, 2017, 05:01:24 PM
I tried out my stock thunder 148 today and my only complaint was noseslides felt foreign because my 99a f4 spitfires were sticking and I didn’t want to wax the side of the ledge. Otherwise, they felt nicer than new aces I skated on the same deck. I also relearned switch front boardslide.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 14, 2017, 09:16:27 PM
Just got that one on a flatbar....you're set up is looking increasingly normal.....good on ya....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Yeah so far out of every truck I’ve tried thunders haven’t failed me

Thanks for the heads up, I got some destructo lows on reserve til they restock them on skate warehouse so looking forward to those now

But In the mean time I think I’m gonna stick to my thunders, they seem low but they’re actually on point with the height for my medium tight preference

It’s funny how they mold 147 on the hangars now not just all the bigger sizes
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That seems to be a big factor deciding between indy and thunder these days. I like my thunders medium/medium tight too, and indys seem to feel best loosened up..

Yeah Indy’s are odd when they don’t have a smooth looseness to them. They’re not the type to have twitchy like thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mr_Friend on December 15, 2017, 05:13:00 AM
I've been skating Thunder 149's for almost 10 years now (since they come out). Switched to the soft bones bushings about 5 years back, never going back to stock. Stopped putting the bottom washer on 2ish years ago, and in the last 6 months lost the top washers as well. Also bumped from 53/54mm to strictly 55mm Formula Fours. Waxing the wheelbite wells has become mandatory each session, but I love how they feel.

Has anyone here jumped from Thunder 149's to 151's? Just curious if there's any noticeable difference, Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on December 15, 2017, 06:47:31 AM
149vs the 151
I own both and I ride 8.5 boards I like the 151 because I like the wheels to stick out alittle.
They both are the same height just the 151 turns slightly slower than the 149.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on December 15, 2017, 07:49:05 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 14, 2017, 09:16:27 PM
Just got that one on a flatbar....you're set up is looking increasingly normal.....good on ya....
Nah, going to pound out kingpin and put in the downlow mod.  Not enough clearance for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 16, 2017, 01:49:23 AM
Update on the 139 Indy forged hollows on an 8.06 krooked: the doh dohs feel way better than the stock or bones(medium and hard) I have the 92a yellow doh doh mediums and I feel the weight scale doh doh uses for finding the right Durometer for your trucks is the perfect guide

I couldn’t figure out which hardness to get and the scale was saying my little 135lb butt should use the yellow and they’re awesome so far on the Indy’s

My thunder 147 hollow lights are still top #1 but ima keep checking these Indy’s out for now and try to figure out why most of you still Love Indy’s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 16, 2017, 02:58:31 PM
Scratch that, Indy’s are still trash to me compared to thunders.

My bad again as always slap
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Masta3spinna on December 20, 2017, 01:04:11 PM
Love this subject, and had to join slap because of it. My latest creation I'm working on is the lightest 8.5 width hanger truck I can Frankenstein together which is a theeve tiH hanger i think in size 5.85 with theeve hollow titanium kingpin with Acer racing titanium truck hardware and theeve ti mounting bolts but have not decided on a baseplate. The original theeve one is stupid heavy and the hole point of my creation is lost. What baseplate would be the lightest yet be close to the original geometry theeve had? Thunder forged, independent forged, ace mag baseplate? Any thoughts/input would be awasome.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Masta3spinna on December 20, 2017, 01:15:53 PM
Regular everyday setup is a Indy ti 144 but riding thunder ti 148 right now with bones hards with flat top and bottom washer for thunders. In indys I'll ride black hard Indy replacement barrel bottoms with bones hards on top. Both around the nut flush with the kingpin. Dont know how you guys use bones softs, they last like a week unless your super light, might as well use life saver gummies.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on December 20, 2017, 04:52:07 PM
Does anyone have any tips on breaking in Indy's? I'm going to pick up some 149's soon and it's probably been two years since my last pair of new trucks, which I rode with already used bushings. How great are those aftermarket cylinder bushings, and should I grab those at the same time?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sandboxcop on December 20, 2017, 06:09:26 PM
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Does anyone have any tips on breaking in Indy's? I'm going to pick up some 149's soon and it's probably been two years since my last pair of new trucks, which I rode with already used bushings. How great are those aftermarket cylinder bushings, and should I grab those at the same time?

In my experience, yes get the aftermarkets. I ran my stock bushings medium tight for a month or so and they never stopped making noise. Put in aftermarket mediums and kept the nut flush with the top of the kingpin and had way better results
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on December 20, 2017, 06:23:16 PM
Quote from: Spitfire4life on December 20, 2017, 04:52:07 PM
Does anyone have any tips on breaking in Indy's? I'm going to pick up some 149's soon and it's probably been two years since my last pair of new trucks, which I rode with already used bushings. How great are those aftermarket cylinder bushings, and should I grab those at the same time?

yes, with the aftermarket, tighten to flush and then don't touch em and they'll be perfect
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ungzilla on December 21, 2017, 06:31:04 AM
Quote from: layzieyez on December 14, 2017, 05:01:24 PM
I tried out my stock thunder 148 today and my only complaint was noseslides felt foreign because my 99a f4 spitfires were sticking and I didn’t want to wax the side of the ledge. Otherwise, they felt nicer than new aces I skated on the same deck. I also relearned switch front boardslide.

switched up to thunders from independent recently, i ended up with some fancy ass ones since they were the only pair the shop had in 149, ti hollow lights. uhhhh, they turn a bit different and are ever so slightly lower but the main difference i feel is the weight. i'm not sure it matters though. i guess i don't have the madness.

oh yea i concur with noseslides feeling a bit weird.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 24, 2017, 03:01:46 PM
So I’m not sure where else to post this but I was thinking about how after Christmas I wanna order some stuff online since my locals don’t carry it. Does going from a warm climate in Cali to a freezing cold climate where I’m at affect any gear like decks or trucks? I think of how extreme temperature changes can mess up a guitar, could it do the same to a board? Trucks would probably be unaffected since they’re metal, I’m assuming?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on December 24, 2017, 04:39:14 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 24, 2017, 03:01:46 PM
So I’m not sure where else to post this but I was thinking about how after Christmas I wanna order some stuff online since my locals don’t carry it. Does going from a warm climate in Cali to a freezing cold climate where I’m at affect any gear like decks or trucks? I think of how extreme temperature changes can mess up a guitar, could it do the same to a board? Trucks would probably be unaffected since they’re metal, I’m assuming?

You're in deep trouble. Ordering trucks between the Winter Solstice and Spring Equinox is just asking for bushing problems. Sit tight until Spring.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 24, 2017, 05:48:55 PM
Lol fuck I guess I’m a “kook” for asking that question. I’d be using aftermarket bushings and they’d warm up for a bit before I set it all up. I guess I was mostly concerned about the board becoming weaker through temperature extremes, warping, etc. but also wondered if maybe the axles or kingpins could get weakened and more prone to bending/breaking from temperature changes as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 24, 2017, 06:41:07 PM
the first time I moved to an area where it really snowed it fucked up my bushings for sure
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lobo on December 25, 2017, 11:00:51 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 24, 2017, 05:48:55 PM
Lol fuck I guess I’m a “kook” for asking that question. I’d be using aftermarket bushings and they’d warm up for a bit before I set it all up. I guess I was mostly concerned about the board becoming weaker through temperature extremes, warping, etc. but also wondered if maybe the axles or kingpins could get weakened and more prone to bending/breaking from temperature changes as well.
Everything below 0'C will make your gear stiff and thus more prone to damage,even trucks can crack faster when skating or during transport...I do skate thou even if it's - C outside, just needs to be dry...nothing can beat the streets
Indy stage 11 hollow 139 with bones bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on December 26, 2017, 10:46:57 PM
I THINK I found the perfect truck setup. Indy 149s with the conical 90a bushings, tighten it to flush, then a 180 degree turn loosened. Stable, but so flowy and surfy. The one downside is they turn a little slower than Thunders, but they're definitely more stable and comfortable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on December 27, 2017, 08:39:57 AM
Quote from: Spitfire4life on December 26, 2017, 10:46:57 PM
I THINK I found the perfect truck setup. Indy 149s with the conical 90a bushings, tighten it to flush, then a 180 degree turn loosened. Stable, but so flowy and surfy. The one downside is they turn a little slower than Thunders, but they're definitely more stable and comfortable.

My bet on the perfect setup is indy 159s with forged baseplates!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on December 27, 2017, 09:48:37 AM
to each his own, mine is the Nephertitties, 149 indys with black barrel aftermarket bushings, still great after one year
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on December 27, 2017, 02:23:14 PM
Quote from: the snake on December 27, 2017, 09:48:37 AM
to each his own, mine is the Nephertitties, 149 indys with black barrel aftermarket bushings, still great after one year
My bad, it should have read "perfect setup for me". This setup wouldn't work for any of my friends, let alone everyone.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on December 28, 2017, 08:52:26 AM
What's the order for breaking in Thunders? Leave at stock for 3 full sessions then good?

Only asking cuz it's been like 4 degrees lately so I haven't gotten out there to get em broken in. And I forgot the consensus way of breaking em in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on December 28, 2017, 08:56:13 AM
Quote from: fang on December 28, 2017, 08:52:26 AM
What's the order for breaking in Thunders? Leave at stock for 3 full sessions then good?

Only asking cuz it's been like 4 degrees lately so I haven't gotten out there to get em broken in. And I forgot the consensus way of breaking em in.

Step 1: throw out the bushings

Step 2: put some bones mediums, and tighten til flush

Step 3: buy some theeves and find true happiness
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on December 28, 2017, 09:54:49 AM
Quote from: Spitfire4life on December 27, 2017, 02:23:14 PM
Quote from: the snake on December 27, 2017, 09:48:37 AM
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to each his own, mine is the Nephertitties, 149 indys with black barrel aftermarket bushings, still great after one year
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My bad, it should have read "perfect setup for me". This setup wouldn't work for any of my friends, let alone everyone.
wanna fight, kid ?
(https://www.viedemotard.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/wannafight.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on December 28, 2017, 03:03:30 PM
Quote from: fang on December 28, 2017, 08:52:26 AM
What's the order for breaking in Thunders? Leave at stock for 3 full sessions then good?

Only asking cuz it's been like 4 degrees lately so I haven't gotten out there to get em broken in. And I forgot the consensus way of breaking em in.
Just leave them alone when you first get them don't tighten them or anything for a few sessions and you'll be good to go.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lamfordie on December 28, 2017, 07:26:34 PM
Have some thunders 149 with bones on the bottom bushing and the white ones on top. Trucks are pretty lose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on December 28, 2017, 07:45:38 PM
Quote from: the snake on December 28, 2017, 09:54:49 AM
Quote from: Spitfire4life on December 27, 2017, 02:23:14 PM
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to each his own, mine is the Nephertitties, 149 indys with black barrel aftermarket bushings, still great after one year
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My bad, it should have read "perfect setup for me". This setup wouldn't work for any of my friends, let alone everyone.
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wanna fight, kid ?
(https://www.viedemotard.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/wannafight.gif)
Damn I'm really screwing up phrasing. I meant that the setup I posted was perfect for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on December 28, 2017, 08:15:55 PM
haha sorry I thought you were talking shit on mine
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 28, 2017, 11:38:31 PM
Quote from: Cherb on December 28, 2017, 03:03:30 PM
Quote from: fang on December 28, 2017, 08:52:26 AM
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What's the order for breaking in Thunders? Leave at stock for 3 full sessions then good?

Only asking cuz it's been like 4 degrees lately so I haven't gotten out there to get em broken in. And I forgot the consensus way of breaking em in.
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Just leave them alone when you first get them don't tighten them or anything for a few sessions and you'll be good to go.
this!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on December 29, 2017, 02:43:53 AM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on December 28, 2017, 11:38:31 PM
Quote from: Cherb on December 28, 2017, 03:03:30 PM
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What's the order for breaking in Thunders? Leave at stock for 3 full sessions then good?

Only asking cuz it's been like 4 degrees lately so I haven't gotten out there to get em broken in. And I forgot the consensus way of breaking em in.
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Just leave them alone when you first get them don't tighten them or anything for a few sessions and you'll be good to go.
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this!

What exactly is stock tightness for different trucks (ie: 1 or 2 full turns)? How do you know if someone hasn't tampered with the kingpin before you bought it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 29, 2017, 02:58:19 AM
Don’t worry, you can tighten/ loosen to your heart’s content after they are broken in anyway
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on December 29, 2017, 04:09:06 AM
When it's cold you need to the 80's street pro wiggle dance to get those rubber molecules loosened up.
Couple of sessions full tilt boogie mode and you'll be good. Every session in the cold requires a slalom weave warm up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on December 29, 2017, 06:28:59 AM
Quote from: franquietits on December 29, 2017, 02:43:53 AM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on December 28, 2017, 11:38:31 PM
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What's the order for breaking in Thunders? Leave at stock for 3 full sessions then good?

Only asking cuz it's been like 4 degrees lately so I haven't gotten out there to get em broken in. And I forgot the consensus way of breaking em in.
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Just leave them alone when you first get them don't tighten them or anything for a few sessions and you'll be good to go.
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this!
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What exactly is stock tightness for different trucks (ie: 1 or 2 full turns)? How do you know if someone hasn't tampered with the kingpin before you bought it?

Do not put this fear into my mind!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on December 29, 2017, 08:44:21 AM
Quote from: fang on December 29, 2017, 06:28:59 AM
Quote from: franquietits on December 29, 2017, 02:43:53 AM
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Quote from: fang on December 28, 2017, 08:52:26 AM
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What's the order for breaking in Thunders? Leave at stock for 3 full sessions then good?

Only asking cuz it's been like 4 degrees lately so I haven't gotten out there to get em broken in. And I forgot the consensus way of breaking em in.
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Just leave them alone when you first get them don't tighten them or anything for a few sessions and you'll be good to go.
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this!
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What exactly is stock tightness for different trucks (ie: 1 or 2 full turns)? How do you know if someone hasn't tampered with the kingpin before you bought it?
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Do not put this fear into my mind!

This is why I just tighten the nut to the same spot every time I'm breaking in trucks. Who knows how many twists they're giving it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on December 29, 2017, 09:18:52 AM
'Factory Settings' are very precise. Please write to each and every truck company to determine exact stock setting position and report back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on December 29, 2017, 10:50:21 AM
Quote from: the snake on December 28, 2017, 08:15:55 PM
haha sorry I thought you were talking shit on mine
Nope, just suck at English haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 29, 2017, 11:16:05 PM
If we're all suddenly gonna buy trucks....put them on our board and just skate....then...I'm outta here...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 29, 2017, 11:43:09 PM
Finally solved my awesome but squeaky thunder suciu hollow lights dilemma

So they’re powder coated white and blue and turns out that powder coat is thick and made the trucks a little tighter than they should be because the stem fits too snug and full in the pivot cup

So I took the trucks apart and got a piece of left over grip and sanded the paint off the pivot stem some and solved, no more crazy tightish squeak

So for you guys with powder coat painted trucks that feel tighter/different compared to raw/whatever paint that’s not powder that’s why it feels not as smooth as a raw truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 30, 2017, 05:22:29 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 29, 2017, 11:16:05 PM
If we're all suddenly gonna buy trucks....put them on our board and just skate....then...I'm outta here...

This
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 30, 2017, 07:48:57 AM
Quote from: rob on December 29, 2017, 11:43:09 PM
Finally solved my awesome but squeaky thunder suciu hollow lights dilemma

So they’re powder coated white and blue and turns out that powder coat is thick and made the trucks a little tighter than they should be because the stem fits too snug and full in the pivot cup

So I took the trucks apart and got a piece of left over grip and sanded the paint off the pivot stem some and solved, no more crazy tightish squeak

So for you guys with powder coat painted trucks that feel tighter/different compared to raw/whatever paint that’s not powder that’s why it feels not as smooth as a raw truck

Powdercoating completely changes the geometry of the truck as far as I'm concerned.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on December 30, 2017, 10:23:22 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 30, 2017, 07:48:57 AM
Quote from: rob on December 29, 2017, 11:43:09 PM
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Finally solved my awesome but squeaky thunder suciu hollow lights dilemma

So they’re powder coated white and blue and turns out that powder coat is thick and made the trucks a little tighter than they should be because the stem fits too snug and full in the pivot cup

So I took the trucks apart and got a piece of left over grip and sanded the paint off the pivot stem some and solved, no more crazy tightish squeak

So for you guys with powder coat painted trucks that feel tighter/different compared to raw/whatever paint that’s not powder that’s why it feels not as smooth as a raw truck
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Powdercoating completely changes the geometry of the truck as far as I'm concerned.....

I can't believe I never thought of that. I was always against colored trucks purely for asthetic reasons.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 30, 2017, 11:31:05 AM
Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on December 30, 2017, 10:23:22 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 30, 2017, 07:48:57 AM
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Quote from: rob on December 29, 2017, 11:43:09 PM
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Finally solved my awesome but squeaky thunder suciu hollow lights dilemma

So they’re powder coated white and blue and turns out that powder coat is thick and made the trucks a little tighter than they should be because the stem fits too snug and full in the pivot cup

So I took the trucks apart and got a piece of left over grip and sanded the paint off the pivot stem some and solved, no more crazy tightish squeak

So for you guys with powder coat painted trucks that feel tighter/different compared to raw/whatever paint that’s not powder that’s why it feels not as smooth as a raw truck
[close]

Powdercoating completely changes the geometry of the truck as far as I'm concerned.....
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I can't believe I never thought of that. I was always against colored trucks purely for asthetic reasons.

I only got them cause they were the only hollow lights they had at the shop and the hollow lights are actually significantly lighter than the standard team

I didn’t believe it and thought how’s scraping off some little bit of metal in the axle and kingpin gonna do anything but turns out it does, very strange
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on December 30, 2017, 12:01:39 PM
Got a cruiser/rain/slop ride going with some old stuff i had, Thunder 147's with small risers stock yellow bottom bushings and bones medium on top and it's perfect for a cruiser with some big softer bones dtf's that I got like 5 years ago
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 30, 2017, 12:26:53 PM
So while trying to decide and find out if those element bam limited edition wheels were worth the fucks and giggles I found out element makes trucks

They’re like the ugly child of Indy and ace

I wonder how they turn, but overall I don’t think they would be worth the curiosity cause they look tall like a destructo mid/high without the kingpin clearance
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on December 30, 2017, 01:03:43 PM
Quote from: rob on December 30, 2017, 12:26:53 PM
So while trying to decide and find out if those element bam limited edition wheels were worth the fucks and giggles I found out element makes trucks

They’re like the ugly child of Indy and ace

I wonder how they turn, but overall I don’t think they would be worth the curiosity cause they look tall like a destructo mid/high without the kingpin clearance

I just got the idea for the perfect setup!

Bam wheels
Element trucks
World industries deck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 30, 2017, 01:26:05 PM
Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on December 30, 2017, 01:03:43 PM
Quote from: rob on December 30, 2017, 12:26:53 PM
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So while trying to decide and find out if those element bam limited edition wheels were worth the fucks and giggles I found out element makes trucks

They’re like the ugly child of Indy and ace

I wonder how they turn, but overall I don’t think they would be worth the curiosity cause they look tall like a destructo mid/high without the kingpin clearance
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I just got the idea for the perfect setup!

Bam wheels
Element trucks
World industries deck

Gross, but some kid out there who probably has a jenk used setup like that is skating it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nallid on December 31, 2017, 01:36:52 AM
Powder coating and Element trucks. What thee fuck is happening here?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on December 31, 2017, 06:44:54 AM
Even wondering about Element trucks might have just bought you the truck madness crown.

I would guess that they're made of heartagram belt buckle shreds and powder coated in dried Nyjah tears.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 02, 2018, 02:54:45 PM
To settle down my own madness I ordered:

94a indy cylinders

95a thunder bushings

and TI forged 149 indys.

Hopefully I'll be able to get a good nights sleep again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OldManSkate on January 02, 2018, 04:51:17 PM
I think I found the perfect setup for me, thanks to the Ace thread.

Ace 44
Stock bottom bushings
Krux aftermarket top bushings

Got me feeling like this: (https://m.popkey.co/048953/DQx15.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 02, 2018, 08:18:38 PM
Damn the truck madness level 100 came back to me, trying to see if I can make my Indy 139 low work again

cause turns out nhs has some issues with the low kingpin and nuts that they have thread points where there’s scuffs or small imperfections that make it hard to tighten the nut down and the nuts catch threads get all fucked if you just wind too much and then the nut doesn’t catch and go down anymore or works unless you have at least 3 or more open threads for the undamaged threads to catch

But to fix this before I did it to 2/3 of my 139 low sets I used a fresh trucks kingpin(no hangar or bushings mounted) and tightened the nut down till it fixed the threads in the nut

Why is this a thing? I couldn’t tighten my Indy lows past flush and worse I couldn’t even get the nut past 2 threads under flush with some after market 92a using the included washers too

But since the fix I can tighten my Indy lows properly like a regular truck is supposed to be able to

Truck kook king out



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nopes on January 02, 2018, 08:49:00 PM
I just got a polar 1991 deck that is tapered from 9.25 at the front truck to 8.75 at the back truck. Do I go with Indy 159s or 169s?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Masta3spinna on January 02, 2018, 09:58:47 PM
What truck company has the closest base plate/ kingpin geometry as theeve. Need to know for my Frankenstein truck. Damn the truck madness
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nallid on January 02, 2018, 10:10:48 PM
I owe my homies $100 each if I change my trucks out this year. My madness has subsided...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 02, 2018, 10:12:42 PM
Quote from: Nallid on January 02, 2018, 10:10:48 PM
I owe my homies $100 each if I change my trucks out this year. My madness has subsided...

Nice

Does anyone here ride Orion cause Andrew shrock does?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on January 02, 2018, 10:22:53 PM
Quote from: Masta3spinna on January 02, 2018, 09:58:47 PM
What truck company has the closest base plate/ kingpin geometry as theeve. Need to know for my Frankenstein truck. Damn the truck madness

I think I’ve seen Xen say on here that the original Theeve prototypes used Ace baseplates or something along those lines. Would be interesting to see a Theeve Tiax combined with those Ace magnesium baseplates if the geometry worked
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 02, 2018, 10:40:21 PM
You mean TIH.....I was so close to doing it.....someone posted the mags were for lo's?  I've thought of swapping out my theeve base plates w. Regular aces to alleviate that horrible imprint on theeves..... They say....'theeve' on them which inevitably gives me a complex...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on January 03, 2018, 07:19:30 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on January 02, 2018, 10:22:53 PM
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What truck company has the closest base plate/ kingpin geometry as theeve. Need to know for my Frankenstein truck. Damn the truck madness
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I think I’ve seen Xen say on here that the original Theeve prototypes used Ace baseplates or something along those lines. Would be interesting to see a Theeve Tiax combined with those Ace magnesium baseplates if the geometry worked

The Theeve V1s and the TiH had that Ace style hanger and turn great, so I wouldn't be surprised if they copied ace's geometry. ACE's don't have the oval yoke in the hanger tho so I'd also like to frankenstein some Mag Theeves... good idea sir
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 03, 2018, 07:23:28 AM
Quote from: nopes on January 02, 2018, 08:49:00 PM
I just got a polar 1991 deck that is tapered from 9.25 at the front truck to 8.75 at the back truck. Do I go with Indy 159s or 169s?

159s.  You could use 169s but the overhang in the rear would drive me insane
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on January 03, 2018, 07:59:14 AM
Quote from: nopes on January 02, 2018, 08:49:00 PM
I just got a polar 1991 deck that is tapered from 9.25 at the front truck to 8.75 at the back truck. Do I go with Indy 159s or 169s?

I think you should spend about 5 to 7 days losing sleep over it first and then make the wrong decision.

159s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Masta3spinna on January 03, 2018, 11:58:42 AM
I Would love some mag ace plates but the problem is finding the damn thing, might have to just go original. Maybe some forged Indy plates would work since I have a pair laying around. Ive also heard ace and krux are both around the indy 3 geometry/design so maybe  forged krux. Rather have a 53mm tall truck over a 55mm for sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Masta3spinna on January 03, 2018, 12:03:48 PM
Could put a 159 on back, 169 up front. Heard hosoi mixes and matches his trucks and he says it works better for him some how.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 03, 2018, 12:55:35 PM
Guy wears lingerie pants.....so that makes sense.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nallid on January 03, 2018, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Masta3spinna on January 03, 2018, 11:58:42 AM
I Would love some mag ace plates but the problem is finding the damn thing, might have to just go original. Maybe some forged Indy plates would work since I have a pair laying around. Ive also heard ace and krux are both around the indy 3 geometry/design so maybe  forged krux. Rather have a 53mm tall truck over a 55mm for sure.
Aces are not 55mm high if that's what you were thinking. They list them at 52, but give or take a milimeter.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on January 03, 2018, 06:22:31 PM
Quote from: nopes on January 02, 2018, 08:49:00 PM
I just got a polar 1991 deck that is tapered from 9.25 at the front truck to 8.75 at the back truck. Do I go with Indy 159s or 169s?
Go for the 159. I find any board that tapers 59s fit perfect in between. Also you can move those trucks to the next board
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 03, 2018, 06:39:40 PM
Quote from: nosneb on January 03, 2018, 06:22:31 PM
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I just got a polar 1991 deck that is tapered from 9.25 at the front truck to 8.75 at the back truck. Do I go with Indy 159s or 169s?
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Go for the 159. I find any board that tapers 59s fit perfect in between. Also you can move those trucks to the next board

That's whats good about 159s, they can work on anything from 8.4/8.5 to a tapering 9!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on January 03, 2018, 07:06:43 PM
Hey, only indirectly related to trucks, but right up the alley for skaters who overthink shit....

Does a setup need to be able to wheelbite?  Does it make some tricks easier?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 03, 2018, 07:51:49 PM
Quote from: full of jerks on January 03, 2018, 07:06:43 PM
Hey, only indirectly related to trucks, but right up the alley for skaters who overthink shit....

Does a setup need to be able to wheelbite?  Does it make some tricks easier?

Well, wheelbite is never helpful.. but if your setup can't bite at all, it's probably too high.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 03, 2018, 07:52:29 PM
Quote from: full of jerks on January 03, 2018, 07:06:43 PM
Hey, only indirectly related to trucks, but right up the alley for skaters who overthink shit....

Does a setup need to be able to wheelbite?  Does it make some tricks easier?

If your saying when the truck is leaning so hard but isn’t stopping you yet, some people have it that way for cheat 180 flip tricks, lean in wait to be at 45 degrees with wheel bite and flip it and maybe catch it

I do notice wheel bite does help people get a little more ease on leverage for flip tricks

Like since the board is already leaning that way popping it and flicking it the same direction doesn’t need as much effort cause it’s already going that way
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 03, 2018, 10:09:01 PM
Not sure what exactly you guys are talking about but.......risers?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 03, 2018, 10:14:40 PM
You know that’s been on my mind lately, cause I use to ride them religiously when I was skating like crazy in the 7.8 days with my krux 3.5 downlows and idk they did relieve some impact and gave a soft pop feeling to my decks but idk if I should go back cause metal to wood just feels right, so stiff and rigid not soft and dead

Does anyone here ride risers/shock pads?
And the soft one or stiff ones or straight up hard ones that really are just risers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on January 03, 2018, 10:28:29 PM
Quote from: rob on January 03, 2018, 10:14:40 PM
You know that’s been on my mind lately, cause I use to ride them religiously when I was skating like crazy in the 7.8 days with my krux 3.5 downlows and idk they did relieve some impact and gave a soft pop feeling to my decks but idk if I should go back cause metal to wood just feels right, so stiff and rigid not soft and dead

Does anyone here ride risers/shock pads?
And the soft one or stiff ones or straight up hard ones that really are just risers

I've been use the softer indy shock pads on all my setups for the past few years. I started doing so because I thought it helped a little bit with pressure cracks and snapping my boards in the nose/tail areas. It's also absorbs a little vibration on shit ground. I don't actually know for sure if it helps my boards last longer, but it feels like it does so I'm going with it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Masta3spinna on January 03, 2018, 10:37:47 PM
Quote from: Nallid on January 03, 2018, 03:04:15 PM
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I Would love some mag ace plates but the problem is finding the damn thing, might have to just go original. Maybe some forged Indy plates would work since I have a pair laying around. Ive also heard ace and krux are both around the indy 3 geometry/design so maybe  forged krux. Rather have a 53mm tall truck over a 55mm for sure.
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Aces are not 55mm high if that's what you were thinking. They list them at 52, but give or take a milimeter.
 
Oh really for some reason always thought they are 55mm, now just have to find me a pair of the unicorn like mag baseplates.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 04, 2018, 01:33:32 AM
I got my mag plates from here about a year ago:
http://www.skateprylar.se/produkt/ace-trucks-magnesium-baseplates/

It’s a Swedish shop but the dude was willing to help and delivered them to Finland. Dunno if he’ll deliver elsewhere and if he does, what it’ll cost but it doesn’t hurt to ask if you really want them. 😊
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on January 05, 2018, 04:06:30 AM
Quote from: full of jerks on January 03, 2018, 07:06:43 PM
Hey, only indirectly related to trucks, but right up the alley for skaters who overthink shit....

Does a setup need to be able to wheelbite?  Does it make some tricks easier?

It might make some tricks easier (not sure which ones), but for the most part, some rail-to-rail slide pressure that comes from having some bushing tightness is necessary for doing a lot of flip trick, imo. Depends on preference and what works for you. For me: loose trucks are more enjoyable to ride around with, but tighter trucks enable me to do flip tricks a lot better/satisfactory.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sweet pee on January 05, 2018, 05:18:53 AM
After reading this thread and succumbing to the madness, I think I found a truck setup that alleviates the kingpin clearance and wheelbite issues that plague some of us Thunder users.

My Thunder Team 147 Hi's were starting to get worn down and the kingpin kept sticking, so I hammered it out and replaced with the Krux Downlow Kingpins. The baseplate crevice holds the nut perfectly, so no need for any JB weld or glue. No kingpin wiggle either...

I was previously running the soft white Thunder bushings and liked the looseness, but hated the wheelbite, so I decided to try the Krux Bushings everyone seems to rave about. After putting them in, the trucks felt too tight for my liking. To make them a little looser, I kept the Krux bottom barrel bushing and changed the top to a soft Thunder bushing.

I discovered that this combo seems to help minimize wheelbite, due to shape/hardness of the bottom barrel, yet keeps the trucks relatively loose due to the softer top. Been running this for the past few months with no problems.

(https://i.imgur.com/x0LeI6V.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on January 05, 2018, 08:04:39 AM
For those of you who’ve done the krux kingpin with thunders, How do they feel for smiths & feebles on rails? I ran that setup for a few months and my smiths/feebles on rails were wildly inconsistent. It would feel as if the hanger would often just roll over to the other side because there’s no kingpin to catch. I’d never feel confident locking into them on rails but with the regular kingpin in thunders or like right now with my Theeves, they’re totally fine. I dunno if I was just shitty at smiths/feebles during those months or if it actually was the lack of a taller kingpin to “catch” the rail and keep the grind centered
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on January 05, 2018, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on January 05, 2018, 08:04:39 AM
For those of you who’ve done the krux kingpin with thunders, How do they feel for smiths & feebles on rails? I ran that setup for a few months and my smiths/feebles on rails were wildly inconsistent. It would feel as if the hanger would often just roll over to the other side because there’s no kingpin to catch. I’d never feel confident locking into them on rails but with the regular kingpin in thunders or like right now with my Theeves, they’re totally fine. I dunno if I was just shitty at smiths/feebles during those months or if it actually was the lack of a taller kingpin to “catch” the rail and keep the grind centered

Don't think you're supposed to catch your kingpin on any sort of grind... The hanger is supposed to be on one side(eg your heel side for fs smiths/bs feebles) of the rail. Never noticed any issues when I had krux kingpins on my Thunder 149s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 05, 2018, 01:04:58 PM
Woah, gotta try that kingpin swap when my thunders wear down, would it be hard to knock out the pins on forged plates?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on January 05, 2018, 02:15:49 PM
Quote from: rob on January 05, 2018, 01:04:58 PM
Woah, gotta try that kingpin swap when my thunders wear down, would it be hard to knock out the pins on forged plates?

I read somewhere that it's harder but I'm sure it will work with a good clamp/mallet and lots of willpower. Also apparently if you heat them up in the oven it makes it easier but I don't know for sure and that sounds like way too much work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 05, 2018, 02:36:40 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on January 05, 2018, 02:15:49 PM
Quote from: rob on January 05, 2018, 01:04:58 PM
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Woah, gotta try that kingpin swap when my thunders wear down, would it be hard to knock out the pins on forged plates?
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I read somewhere that it's harder but I'm sure it will work with a good clamp/mallet and lots of willpower. Also apparently if you heat them up in the oven it makes it easier but I don't know for sure and that sounds like way too much work.

Right! I’m probably gonna just try to pound it out or press it out

I already have a set of very worn out hollow lights but the pivot stem got fucked too, like it’s almost sharp and pointy cause didn’t swap pivot cup when they were getting worn out

So not sure if it’s even worth trying to give them more life
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 05, 2018, 07:40:09 PM
Getting the Thunder pin out isn't too hard (use a parking block with a deep hole, where the rebar is). Getting another pin in, good luck with that....as a) they don't sell forged pins and they are different than cast pins and B) Krux pins don't work as the plate is too thin and the nut will stick out. Better to just get new trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 05, 2018, 11:09:14 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 05, 2018, 07:40:09 PM
Getting the Thunder pin out isn't too hard (use a parking block with a deep hole, where the rebar is). Getting another pin in, good luck with that....as a) they don't sell forged pins and they are different than cast pins and B) Krux pins don't work as the plate is too thin and the nut will stick out. Better to just get new trucks.

Ha thanks for the tip xen, yeah seems like it would be too much work
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 06, 2018, 11:38:43 PM
So I was speaking with someone earlier this evening about industry standards and quality control pertaining to various parts, everything from motor vehicles to skateboards. It was brought to my attention that grade 8 anything, whether it’s an axle or a kingpin, is supposed to be gold with the six line markings on the end of the bolt as an official indicator. I noticed my old stage 7 Indy kingpins only have three lines, haven’t checked my stage 11’s yet but I don’t recall them having it on there, and they’re black kingpins I know that for sure. Tracker and Khiro aftermarket kingpins are gold and have the six mark indicator, so they seem to be the only legit ones.

I recall that video from the rat vision YouTube channel exposing lies within the industry regarding product descriptions. How has no one sued any companies in court yet over their false advertising?

I also began to question why trucks are even made of an aluminum cast in the first place, when it’s shit compared to other options as far as strength and longevity. Is this because other metals don’t grind good?

I also realized truck companies have advertised their axles as 4140 chromoly steel as if it’s good...it’s garbage. I guess it’s no different than a ford commercial saying something is made of “military ballistic invincible outer space aluminum” or something ridiculous along those lines just to make something of average quality sound good.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 07, 2018, 07:07:18 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 06, 2018, 11:38:43 PM
So I was speaking with someone earlier this evening about industry standards and quality control pertaining to various parts, everything from motor vehicles to skateboards. It was brought to my attention that grade 8 anything, whether it’s an axle or a kingpin, is supposed to be gold with the six line markings on the end of the bolt as an official indicator. I noticed my old stage 7 Indy kingpins only have three lines, haven’t checked my stage 11’s yet but I don’t recall them having it on there, and they’re black kingpins I know that for sure. Tracker and Khiro aftermarket kingpins are gold and have the six mark indicator, so they seem to be the only legit ones.

I recall that video from the rat vision YouTube channel exposing lies within the industry regarding product descriptions. How has no one sued any companies in court yet over their false advertising?

I also began to question why trucks are even made of an aluminum cast in the first place, when it’s shit compared to other options as far as strength and longevity. Is this because other metals don’t grind good?

I also realized truck companies have advertised their axles as 4140 chromoly steel as if it’s good...it’s garbage. I guess it’s no different than a ford commercial saying something is made of “military ballistic invincible outer space aluminum” or something ridiculous along those lines just to make something of average quality sound good.

Thoughts?

Independent trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 11, 2018, 10:33:39 AM
So what's going on with those thunder extended baseplates?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on January 11, 2018, 11:15:53 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 06, 2018, 11:38:43 PM
So I was speaking with someone earlier this evening about industry standards and quality control pertaining to various parts, everything from motor vehicles to skateboards. It was brought to my attention that grade 8 anything, whether it’s an axle or a kingpin, is supposed to be gold with the six line markings on the end of the bolt as an official indicator. I noticed my old stage 7 Indy kingpins only have three lines, haven’t checked my stage 11’s yet but I don’t recall them having it on there, and they’re black kingpins I know that for sure. Tracker and Khiro aftermarket kingpins are gold and have the six mark indicator, so they seem to be the only legit ones.


Tensor used to advertise this in magazines as marketing, but eventually more and more truck companies started to switch to grade 8

Quote from: Diocletian on January 06, 2018, 11:38:43 PM

I also began to question why trucks are even made of an aluminum cast in the first place, when it’s shit compared to other options as far as strength and longevity. Is this because other metals don’t grind good?


Pretty much, softer metals grind smoother, and aluminum doesn't rust.

Quote from: Diocletian on January 06, 2018, 11:38:43 PM

I also realized truck companies have advertised their axles as 4140 chromoly steel as if it’s good...it’s garbage. I guess it’s no different than a ford commercial saying something is made of “military ballistic invincible outer space aluminum” or something ridiculous along those lines just to make something of average quality sound good.


Garbage compared to... what exactly? You are literally buying them to destroy them, why waste any more money than you have to? How many 4140 chromoly steel kingpins have you broken, really? Also keep in mind that skaters need lower price point on avg than most consumers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 11, 2018, 11:22:12 AM
Quote from: Firebert on January 11, 2018, 11:15:53 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 06, 2018, 11:38:43 PM
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So I was speaking with someone earlier this evening about industry standards and quality control pertaining to various parts, everything from motor vehicles to skateboards. It was brought to my attention that grade 8 anything, whether it’s an axle or a kingpin, is supposed to be gold with the six line markings on the end of the bolt as an official indicator. I noticed my old stage 7 Indy kingpins only have three lines, haven’t checked my stage 11’s yet but I don’t recall them having it on there, and they’re black kingpins I know that for sure. Tracker and Khiro aftermarket kingpins are gold and have the six mark indicator, so they seem to be the only legit ones.

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Tensor used to advertise this in magazines as marketing, but eventually more and more truck companies started to switch to grade 8

Quote from: Diocletian on January 06, 2018, 11:38:43 PM
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I also began to question why trucks are even made of an aluminum cast in the first place, when it’s shit compared to other options as far as strength and longevity. Is this because other metals don’t grind good?

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Pretty much, softer metals grind smoother, and aluminum doesn't rust.

Quote from: Diocletian on January 06, 2018, 11:38:43 PM
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I also realized truck companies have advertised their axles as 4140 chromoly steel as if it’s good...it’s garbage. I guess it’s no different than a ford commercial saying something is made of “military ballistic invincible outer space aluminum” or something ridiculous along those lines just to make something of average quality sound good.

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Garbage compared to... what exactly? You are literally buying them to destroy them, why waste any more money than you have to? How many 4140 chromoly steel kingpins have you broken, really? Also keep in mind that skaters need lower price point on avg than most consumers.

Yup. All skate parts, no matter how high quality, are meant to be disposable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: se7en3two on January 11, 2018, 12:17:28 PM
I looked online, but didn't see anything.

Does anyone know of a list that compares ride height between Indy and Thunders?

I ride newer Indy 144's, but wonder what's a comparable Thunder.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 11, 2018, 12:19:11 PM
Quote from: se7en3two on January 11, 2018, 12:17:28 PM
I looked online, but didn't see anything.

Does anyone know of a list that compares ride height between Indy and Thunders?

I ride newer Indy 144's, but wonder what's a comparable Thunder.

There's this thing: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit#gid=0

Not sure how accurate it is.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 11, 2018, 02:36:46 PM
Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on January 11, 2018, 12:19:11 PM
Quote from: se7en3two on January 11, 2018, 12:17:28 PM
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I looked online, but didn't see anything.

Does anyone know of a list that compares ride height between Indy and Thunders?

I ride newer Indy 144's, but wonder what's a comparable Thunder.
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There's this thing: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit#gid=0

Not sure how accurate it is.

I think tactics still has a pretty accurate chart when you goto the specific truck, like it has the height and weight and most of it is on point or recycled from the source
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: se7en3two on January 12, 2018, 07:26:10 AM
Quote from: rob on January 11, 2018, 02:36:46 PM
Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on January 11, 2018, 12:19:11 PM
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Quote from: se7en3two on January 11, 2018, 12:17:28 PM
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I looked online, but didn't see anything.

Does anyone know of a list that compares ride height between Indy and Thunders?

I ride newer Indy 144's, but wonder what's a comparable Thunder.
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There's this thing: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit#gid=0

Not sure how accurate it is.
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I think tactics still has a pretty accurate chart when you goto the specific truck, like it has the height and weight and most of it is on point or recycled from the source

Looked over Tactics and another random site.

Unfortunately didn't help with Thunders (hi 148's), since I've seen 50 & 52.3mm listed for height.
Indy was steady at 55mm.

Surprised how such a big difference in height (either way) doesn't cause wheel bite on Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 12, 2018, 07:44:06 AM
Quote from: se7en3two on January 12, 2018, 07:26:10 AM
Quote from: rob on January 11, 2018, 02:36:46 PM
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Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on January 11, 2018, 12:19:11 PM
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Quote from: se7en3two on January 11, 2018, 12:17:28 PM
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I looked online, but didn't see anything.

Does anyone know of a list that compares ride height between Indy and Thunders?

I ride newer Indy 144's, but wonder what's a comparable Thunder.
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There's this thing: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit#gid=0

Not sure how accurate it is.
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I think tactics still has a pretty accurate chart when you goto the specific truck, like it has the height and weight and most of it is on point or recycled from the source
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Looked over Tactics and another random site.

Unfortunately didn't help with Thunders (hi 148's), since I've seen 50 & 52.3mm listed for height.
Indy was steady at 55mm.

Surprised how such a big difference in height (either way) doesn't cause wheel bite on Thunders.

Thunder 148's are 51.5 for the forged and 52.5 for the cast.  same as the 149 and 151

Indy's are 53.5 for forged and 55 for the cast
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on January 12, 2018, 01:51:24 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 05, 2018, 07:40:09 PM
Getting the Thunder pin out isn't too hard (use a parking block with a deep hole, where the rebar is). Getting another pin in, good luck with that....as a) they don't sell forged pins and they are different than cast pins and B) Krux pins don't work as the plate is too thin and the nut will stick out. Better to just get new trucks.
Getting kingpin out isn't too hard they said, hit it with a big hammer they said.
Hour of pounding to find a slight angle in the splices and then notice I've buckled the baseplate, I do love thunders but at times like these loyalty is tested.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on January 12, 2018, 03:48:46 PM
It’s pretty easy to do with cast plates but yeah, I don’t see how anyone gets a kingpin out (and then another back in) of a forged baseplate. I know it’s been done before but I’ve just accepted the fact that I’ll never be one of those people. The juice ain’t worth the squeeze
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 12, 2018, 05:16:48 PM
Quote from: Firebert on January 11, 2018, 11:15:53 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 06, 2018, 11:38:43 PM
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So I was speaking with someone earlier this evening about industry standards and quality control pertaining to various parts, everything from motor vehicles to skateboards. It was brought to my attention that grade 8 anything, whether it’s an axle or a kingpin, is supposed to be gold with the six line markings on the end of the bolt as an official indicator. I noticed my old stage 7 Indy kingpins only have three lines, haven’t checked my stage 11’s yet but I don’t recall them having it on there, and they’re black kingpins I know that for sure. Tracker and Khiro aftermarket kingpins are gold and have the six mark indicator, so they seem to be the only legit ones.

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Tensor used to advertise this in magazines as marketing, but eventually more and more truck companies started to switch to grade 8

Quote from: Diocletian on January 06, 2018, 11:38:43 PM
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I also began to question why trucks are even made of an aluminum cast in the first place, when it’s shit compared to other options as far as strength and longevity. Is this because other metals don’t grind good?

[close]

Pretty much, softer metals grind smoother, and aluminum doesn't rust.

Quote from: Diocletian on January 06, 2018, 11:38:43 PM
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I also realized truck companies have advertised their axles as 4140 chromoly steel as if it’s good...it’s garbage. I guess it’s no different than a ford commercial saying something is made of “military ballistic invincible outer space aluminum” or something ridiculous along those lines just to make something of average quality sound good.

[close]

Garbage compared to... what exactly? You are literally buying them to destroy them, why waste any more money than you have to? How many 4140 chromoly steel kingpins have you broken, really? Also keep in mind that skaters need lower price point on avg than most consumers.

Kingpins aren’t being advertised as 4140 chromoly. The axles are. How many chromoly axles have been bent throughout skateboard history? Tons. How many titanium ones? Probably slim to none. Chromoly is garbage recycled metal dipped in chrome. All I’m saying is as far as axles go, there’s better alternatives. Aluminum for the hanger and baseplate, yeah makes sense I guess. It’s gonna get shredded and other metals may not grind very good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 12, 2018, 06:41:06 PM
I know this was talked about a lot but is there a contruction where a truck can actually not have axle slip?

I noticed it for the first time with my thunders, all of a sudden on one side my wheel is locked up and the other side has a bit more play
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on January 12, 2018, 06:44:31 PM
Quote from: rob on January 12, 2018, 06:41:06 PM
I know this was talked about a lot but is there a contruction where a truck can actually not have axle slip?

I noticed it for the first time with my thunders, all of a sudden on one side my wheel is locked up and the other side has a bit more play

Theeve tih's didn't really have an axle, so it was impossible for them to get axle slip. Those were dumb expensive though, prolly impossible to find too now
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 12, 2018, 07:52:05 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on January 12, 2018, 06:44:31 PM
Quote from: rob on January 12, 2018, 06:41:06 PM
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I know this was talked about a lot but is there a contruction where a truck can actually not have axle slip?

I noticed it for the first time with my thunders, all of a sudden on one side my wheel is locked up and the other side has a bit more play
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Theeve tih's didn't really have an axle, so it was impossible for them to get axle slip. Those were dumb expensive though, prolly impossible to find too now

Funny thing is my friend has a set and he doesn’t ride them anymore and they’re my size too buttttttt...

As ironic as it is the guy that started the theeve during his berrics video for theeve he mentioned he wanted to create a truck that wasn’t like other trucks(I.e. independents) that had problems like the kingpin getting loose or breaking or whatever and funny as it is theeves are reputable for loose kingpins, seriously my friend rode his tih for so long, like 2-3 years and the only problem was always loose kingpins but lucky for him my psycho butt has a bunch of theeves laying around so I just gave him a baseplate or 2 when he needed the fix but he was over it and now rides krux

For me, I rode my set of theeve v3 for about 3 weeks and out of no where the kingpin got loose, and this is on the new v3 construction. I didn’t wanna deal with changing a pin cause the trucks were also too loose geo for me. Like they’re stable but they’re loose when you get turning so not me

I’m just a low medium tight truck guy, and at the moment I can’t decide between my reliable thunder 147 hi which do kinda drag cause of the pushed out wheel base but response is quick

Or

My independent 139 low I fixed, which they do perform really well and feel good but sadly cause they’re kinda too low(like 2mm lower than thunder 147) when I need to Ollie a good size gap the low quick pop throws me off cause you have to set your foot back more than usual to get a better slide up angle pop over

Truck madness is me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 12, 2018, 10:24:11 PM
Quote from: rob on January 12, 2018, 07:52:05 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on January 12, 2018, 06:44:31 PM
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Quote from: rob on January 12, 2018, 06:41:06 PM
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I know this was talked about a lot but is there a contruction where a truck can actually not have axle slip?

I noticed it for the first time with my thunders, all of a sudden on one side my wheel is locked up and the other side has a bit more play
[close]

Theeve tih's didn't really have an axle, so it was impossible for them to get axle slip. Those were dumb expensive though, prolly impossible to find too now
[close]

Funny thing is my friend has a set and he doesn’t ride them anymore and they’re my size too buttttttt...

As ironic as it is the guy that started the theeve during his berrics video for theeve he mentioned he wanted to create a truck that wasn’t like other trucks(I.e. independents) that had problems like the kingpin getting loose or breaking or whatever and funny as it is theeves are reputable for loose kingpins, seriously my friend rode his tih for so long, like 2-3 years and the only problem was always loose kingpins but lucky for him my psycho butt has a bunch of theeves laying around so I just gave him a baseplate or 2 when he needed the fix but he was over it and now rides krux

For me, I rode my set of theeve v3 for about 3 weeks and out of no where the kingpin got loose, and this is on the new v3 construction. I didn’t wanna deal with changing a pin cause the trucks were also too loose geo for me. Like they’re stable but they’re loose when you get turning so not me

I’m just a low medium tight truck guy, and at the moment I can’t decide between my reliable thunder 147 hi which do kinda drag cause of the pushed out wheel base but response is quick

Or

My independent 139 low I fixed, which they do perform really well and feel good but sadly cause they’re kinda too low(like 2mm lower than thunder 147) when I need to Ollie a good size gap the low quick pop throws me off cause you have to set your foot back more than usual to get a better slide up angle pop over

Truck madness is me

100%!

Also loose kingpins are easy to fix with some epoxy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 12, 2018, 11:36:52 PM
I suffered from chronic axel slip.....and I have tih's in an 8 and 8.5.....they are sick except they grind weird....it appears they'll last forever though...they don't grind down.

.I could be wrong...but I'd recommend trying race reds with the nut cranked tight...that way there is zero play....could be a cheap alternative.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 12, 2018, 11:39:29 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on January 12, 2018, 11:36:52 PM
I suffered from chronic axel slip.....and I have tih's in an 8 and 8.5.....they are sick except they grind weird....it appears they'll last forever though...they don't grind down.

.I could be wrong...but I'd recommend trying race reds with the nut cranked tight...that way there is zero play....could be a cheap alternative.....

I was thinking that cause I’m sure you or someone mentioned it but I really like my Indy blacks and I’m using the spacers supplied but the race reds are probably just an overall better choice since it’s built in
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 13, 2018, 03:09:04 PM
I have a set of brand new Ace 44’s in the old slim design if anyone wants them. $35 shipped USA only.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: B. Hopper on January 16, 2018, 04:29:03 PM
Here's my latest setup..about 2 weeks now. I've always ridden Indy..since about 1980. I'm mainly skating manny pads, small ledges, curbs these days..no more jumping down things. I've been riding bigger boards the last few years..8.75-9" with Indy 159s.

I wanted to explore some new options though, especially as my skating style has evolved. Lighter, smaller, etc.

I was always a poor kid, and the gear choices back in the early days were nothing like we have now. I wanted to take full advantage of having not only choices, but having my own $$ to buy what I want when I want it.

I absolutely LOVE this setup. The deck is 8.25" which is a great size for me at the moment. I wouldn't be surprised if I end up liking an 8 or 8.1" now too. The trucks are definitely NOT Indys but that's ok with me. The last thing I want to do is stick to tradition for the sake of tradition.

If something comes along that's better suited to you or your style, I think it's worth at least trying.
So far, these trucks feel great. The geometry is comfortable and I like the way they turn. I ride fairly loose trucks and they work well although I had to go from 52mm wheels to these 50mm Spitfire F4s to not get wheelbite so bad. With that though, the lower than low ride height of these trucks is super comfortable to me.

I'm thoroughly enjoying this setup and I will more than likely continue to explore more gear in this style range; light weight, durable, and geared towards more tech skating.

(https://preview.ibb.co/mHf896/BDE7849_E_80_BA_4_B2_B_B923_BFB2_A58_E432_E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d3qVNR)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 16, 2018, 10:31:22 PM
Quote from: rob on January 12, 2018, 11:39:29 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on January 12, 2018, 11:36:52 PM
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I suffered from chronic axel slip.....and I have tih's in an 8 and 8.5.....they are sick except they grind weird....it appears they'll last forever though...they don't grind down.

.I could be wrong...but I'd recommend trying race reds with the nut cranked tight...that way there is zero play....could be a cheap alternative.....
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I was thinking that cause I’m sure you or someone mentioned it but I really like my Indy blacks and I’m using the spacers supplied but the race reds are probably just an overall better choice since it’s built in

The theory is the axel has no space to move....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 17, 2018, 12:15:19 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on January 16, 2018, 10:31:22 PM
Quote from: rob on January 12, 2018, 11:39:29 PM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on January 12, 2018, 11:36:52 PM
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I suffered from chronic axel slip.....and I have tih's in an 8 and 8.5.....they are sick except they grind weird....it appears they'll last forever though...they don't grind down.

.I could be wrong...but I'd recommend trying race reds with the nut cranked tight...that way there is zero play....could be a cheap alternative.....
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I was thinking that cause I’m sure you or someone mentioned it but I really like my Indy blacks and I’m using the spacers supplied but the race reds are probably just an overall better choice since it’s built in
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The theory is the axel has no space to move....

And that’s why you have to crank the but down with zero play huh..

I’m too sketched with no play but hopefully the tiny amount I left still keeps the axle from slipping

Does anyone here really tighten the trucks down for a session to break in bushings ? Like loosen the nut after and let it be all pancaked bushings loose

Cause my theory was always just to let the stock run flush or a bit looser and carve around until you notice the bushings feeling better then adjusting
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 17, 2018, 07:58:34 AM
I also think skating conical wheels limits axel contact with the ground versus a tablet style wheel when primo'ing. This might help too...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on January 17, 2018, 02:12:05 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on January 16, 2018, 10:31:22 PM
I suffered from chronic axel slip.....and I have tih's in an 8 and 8.5.....they are sick except they grind weird....it appears they'll last forever though...they don't grind down.

If you ever want to get rid of those TiH 5.85 lemme know
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 17, 2018, 05:38:24 PM
Will do...I keep thinking I'll have to invetiably quit skating an 8".....it's nice having a tank that's still light....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paul Cicero on January 19, 2018, 01:08:39 AM
Serious question. If I have Thunder 149 hollow lights, are they hi’s or low? Do the hollow lights come in both? And if so, how do you measure? I’ve never really geeked out with my gear before, but after lurking this thread I feel some OCD coming on!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 19, 2018, 01:10:57 AM
Quote from: Suit Up! on January 19, 2018, 01:08:39 AM
Serious question. If I have Thunder 149 hollow lights, are they hi’s or low? Do the hollow lights come in both? And if so, how do you measure? I’ve never really geeked out with my gear before, but after lurking this thread I feel some OCD coming on!

They’re more like a mid, someone here corrected me and turns out the forged base plates on the hollow thunder trucks(not team hollows) make them 52mm tall so basically a mid

They only make 149 in “hi” as they call it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 30, 2018, 08:54:27 PM
I was extremely bored and got a case of the ol’ truck madness tonight. Started looking around at different companies online, the ones you never hear about anymore. Looks like Destructo is still alive and kicking. Anyone ever skate their “D1 mids”? You can customize them with the hanger and baseplate of your liking, and they make magnesium baseplates which is interesting because I thought Ace was the only one who’s done that in recent years. Curious about their quality and how they’ll turn and grind. Isn’t magnesium even lighter than a forged baseplate, btw?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 30, 2018, 10:37:02 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 30, 2018, 08:54:27 PM
I was extremely bored and got a case of the ol’ truck madness tonight. Started looking around at different companies online, the ones you never hear about anymore. Looks like Destructo is still alive and kicking. Anyone ever skate their “D1 mids”? You can customize them with the hanger and baseplate of your liking, and they make magnesium baseplates which is interesting because I thought Ace was the only one who’s done that in recent years. Curious about their quality and how they’ll turn and grind. Isn’t magnesium even lighter than a forged baseplate, btw?

From my experience with forged plates and magnesium trucks yes magnesium is lighter but weaker so it grinds down way faster

I been thinking to try their d1 lows but I don’t think so anymore cause I’m very hooked on my thunder team 148!

Also someone here said they’re not that great, they fall under the same category of feel and quality like silver and such under dog brands which from my experience again, not worth it

Silvers have the be the worse turning truck of today, just trash. Literally they are trash I wouldn’t doubt bullet or industrial trucks are better
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on January 31, 2018, 05:11:17 AM
Arto and Eniz ride destructos so they can’t be as poor as Silvers... Homie who rides for Antiz got some when they made collabo with them and said they’re just basic trucks, nothing too special.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: RumpelFoarskin on February 01, 2018, 12:20:56 AM
Are black panther ceramic bearings good?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: B. Hopper on February 01, 2018, 09:56:44 AM
I got hooked up with these 149 Indys that my local shop did with Coors/Indy (as posted in my other thread) and decided to give them a spin yesterday (I wasn't sure I was going to even keep them).

I've been on Indys since 1980 and other than a few short experiments with other brands, I've basically skated nothing but Indy.

I posted this same setup here a few weeks ago when I first built it. I had Tensor Mag Light Low 5.5s on it originally as I wanted to try something new for the hell of it.

Honestly, the Tensors are fucking great. I like them alot. But I'm an Indy guy to the bone for sure and these immediately felt "right" as soon as I hit the ground rolling on them.

No Tensor hate AT ALL, but I'm an Indy man. I just added Bones Bushings to these and needed no break in time. I mix on soft, one medium bushing with my other pair of 159 Indys.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Beoxts9DRAa/?taken-by=boarderhoppersskateboarding
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 01, 2018, 04:58:57 PM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  on January 31, 2018, 05:11:17 AM
Arto and Eniz ride destructos so they can’t be as poor as Silvers... Homie who rides for Antiz got some when they made collabo with them and said they’re just basic trucks, nothing too special.

Dude rides indys.

https://youtu.be/GVvYLJo7CEQ
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 01, 2018, 08:02:15 PM
Quote from: sweet pee on January 05, 2018, 05:18:53 AM
After reading this thread and succumbing to the madness, I think I found a truck setup that alleviates the kingpin clearance and wheelbite issues that plague some of us Thunder users.

My Thunder Team 147 Hi's were starting to get worn down and the kingpin kept sticking, so I hammered it out and replaced with the Krux Downlow Kingpins. The baseplate crevice holds the nut perfectly, so no need for any JB weld or glue. No kingpin wiggle either...

I was previously running the soft white Thunder bushings and liked the looseness, but hated the wheelbite, so I decided to try the Krux Bushings everyone seems to rave about. After putting them in, the trucks felt too tight for my liking. To make them a little looser, I kept the Krux bottom barrel bushing and changed the top to a soft Thunder bushing.

I discovered that this combo seems to help minimize wheelbite, due to shape/hardness of the bottom barrel, yet keeps the trucks relatively loose due to the softer top. Been running this for the past few months with no problems.

(https://i.imgur.com/x0LeI6V.png)

How do you get the nut all the way up flush against the baseplate? On my Indy Stage 7’s and Ace’s, I had to use a skinny blunt object and hammer the nut up in there because just trying to push with my thumb wasn’t hard enough to scoot it all the way. With thunders can you just push the nut up in there with your finger or did you need to hammer it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 01, 2018, 08:51:14 PM
I ran this exact setup for a while, bottom barrel makes them feel very different in a good way.

No banging anything in, the nut fits fine in the plate, screw it in and good to go as long as you don't ride too loose and possibly unscrew it (I still use epoxy for peace of mind).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on February 02, 2018, 10:50:01 AM
Quote from: Xen on February 01, 2018, 04:58:57 PM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  on January 31, 2018, 05:11:17 AM
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Arto and Eniz ride destructos so they can’t be as poor as Silvers... Homie who rides for Antiz got some when they made collabo with them and said they’re just basic trucks, nothing too special.
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Dude rides indys.

https://youtu.be/GVvYLJo7CEQ
https://destructotrucks.com/products/d1-arto-saari-side-mission-mid
My bad, guess he is riding for them but not them..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on February 09, 2018, 07:03:11 AM
Did anyone save that Indy stage history from that other forum? Appears to be gone now .  :'(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mcidraque on February 09, 2018, 08:51:19 AM
Quote from: fang on February 09, 2018, 07:03:11 AM
Did anyone save that Indy stage history from that other forum? Appears to be gone now .  :'(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 12, 2018, 05:50:36 AM
I really want to try the newer Ace trucks since they fixed the bending issue but I like to ride my Indy 159 with my 8.5 boards. Ace 44 is too narrow and Ace 55 is too wide :(
I like my trucks to stick out alittle bit cause I like my grinding space but I find that the 55 will be longer than I want them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goathead on February 12, 2018, 07:50:39 AM
Did someone post a photo of some trucks with holes drilled in to the hanger? I have been thinking about that... is it just plain stupidity?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MaitlandPrivado on February 12, 2018, 08:19:56 AM
Quote from: goathead on February 12, 2018, 07:50:39 AM
Did someone post a photo of some trucks with holes drilled in to the hanger? I have been thinking about that... is it just plain stupidity?

Yes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on February 12, 2018, 09:00:34 AM
^try it and send pics haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on February 12, 2018, 10:12:14 AM
Quote from: nosneb on February 12, 2018, 05:50:36 AM
I really want to try the newer Ace trucks since they fixed the bending issue but I like to ride my Indy 159 with my 8.5 boards. Ace 44 is too narrow and Ace 55 is too wide :(
I like my trucks to stick out alittle bit cause I like my grinding space but I find that the 55 will be longer than I want them.

You're talking 1/16 of an inch each side when looking at the difference between 159s and 55s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 12, 2018, 01:40:25 PM
I guess I gotta go back the the skate shop and double check. I remember comparing the 55s they are closer to Indy 169s. I like how the wheels sticks out just alitttttle bit on 8.5 with 159s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 12, 2018, 04:12:43 PM
I skated 55s on an 8.5 and while it skated great despite making my setup really fucking heavy, it definitely stuck out a lot, undoubtedly closer to 169s than 159s. 159s are great for 8.5s, decided to go with 149s and run 2 washers on the inside though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MaitlandPrivado on February 12, 2018, 05:19:06 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on February 12, 2018, 04:12:43 PM
I skated 55s on an 8.5 and while it skated great despite making my setup really fucking heavy, it definitely stuck out a lot, undoubtedly closer to 169s than 159s. 159s are great for 8.5s, decided to go with 149s and run too washers on the inside though.

According to the manufacturer's charts you are correct. Ace lists the 55 @ 9" versus Independent's 159 @ 8.75" and 169 @ 9.125"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 12, 2018, 05:59:11 PM
That’s what I’m saying! I hate that the aces are in between sizes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ventureventure on February 12, 2018, 07:33:59 PM
Anyone knows the perfect skate tool for Venture Trucks?
The usual cheapo plastic T-tool just doesn't do the job for the hardware bolts and the Kingpin bolts.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on February 12, 2018, 07:45:31 PM
Quote from: MaitlandPrivado on February 12, 2018, 05:19:06 PM
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I skated 55s on an 8.5 and while it skated great despite making my setup really fucking heavy, it definitely stuck out a lot, undoubtedly closer to 169s than 159s. 159s are great for 8.5s, decided to go with 149s and run too washers on the inside though.
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According to the manufacturer's charts you are correct. Ace lists the 55 @ 9" versus Independent's 159 @ 8.75" and 169 @ 9.125"

Yeah but 55s are actually 8 7/8" which is 1/8" wider than 159s. Like I said 1/16" each side... Measure them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 12, 2018, 08:08:17 PM
(https://preview.ibb.co/dkXW37/28080236_10208570736946134_1344666159_o.jpg)

Here are my 55s, bang on 9 inches even with slightly bent axles. They do skate well on 8.5 boards though, so if you dont mind the heaviness, Id say give it a go. If you run no washers on the inside, the difference between 55s and 159s is minimal. Another thing you could do is get 44s and run like 3 washers on the inside, that works well for 8.5s too, pretty sure the axle is long enough.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on February 12, 2018, 08:23:55 PM
Quote from: ventureventure on February 12, 2018, 07:33:59 PM
Anyone knows the perfect skate tool for Venture Trucks?
The usual cheapo plastic T-tool just doesn't do the job for the hardware bolts and the Kingpin bolts.

The stuff you already have plus the cheapest 3/8" open end wrench you can find at Sears or Harbor Freight or your local core hardware store.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on February 12, 2018, 08:31:53 PM
Quote from: full of jerks on February 12, 2018, 08:23:55 PM
Quote from: ventureventure on February 12, 2018, 07:33:59 PM
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Anyone knows the perfect skate tool for Venture Trucks?
The usual cheapo plastic T-tool just doesn't do the job for the hardware bolts and the Kingpin bolts.
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The stuff you already have plus the cheapest 3/8" open end wrench you can find at Sears or Harbor Freight or your local core hardware store.

I took a knife to my plastic T-tool and whittled down the plastic around the sockets, helps keep it nice and close to the nut! Definite improvement.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on February 12, 2018, 08:36:37 PM
Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on February 12, 2018, 08:31:53 PM
Quote from: full of jerks on February 12, 2018, 08:23:55 PM
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Quote from: ventureventure on February 12, 2018, 07:33:59 PM
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Anyone knows the perfect skate tool for Venture Trucks?
The usual cheapo plastic T-tool just doesn't do the job for the hardware bolts and the Kingpin bolts.
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The stuff you already have plus the cheapest 3/8" open end wrench you can find at Sears or Harbor Freight or your local core hardware store.
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I took a knife to my plastic T-tool and whittled down the plastic around the sockets, helps keep it nice and close to the nut! Definite improvement.

The Silver tool can reach the back bolts on ventures
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 12, 2018, 09:14:20 PM
anyone skating Ace 55s with 8.5 deck can post a picture of the top of the deck to see how much axle sticks out?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 12, 2018, 09:24:03 PM
Quote from: nosneb on February 12, 2018, 09:14:20 PM
anyone skating Ace 55s with 8.5 deck can post a picture of the top of the deck to see how much axle sticks out?

I'd set it up and send a pic but I have a broken wrist and cant set up a board. Here are two pics on my phone. The top view is on an 8.62, and you can see that even with the 8.62 the wheels are visible from above, it's a little more obvious in person too. Definitely quite noticeable with an 8.5. The pic of the actual truck is with an 8.5 deck, excuse the awful real graphic.

Note that the axles are 9 inches long, but the actual hangar isnt that much wider than 159mm, they're about 161 or 162mm. So if you don't run inner washers, they won't really feel that much wider than 159s, you'll just have some unsightly axles sticking out.

(https://preview.ibb.co/cqTcbS/Screen_Shot_2018_02_12_at_9_19_33_PM.png) (https://ibb.co/h7p5Vn)
(https://preview.ibb.co/nde5Vn/24167198_10208137415953380_305025564_o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k53XAn)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 12, 2018, 09:34:31 PM
Thanks for sharing the pictures.
Ace needs a 8.3-8.6 range :(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on February 13, 2018, 03:09:56 PM
Quote from: nosneb on February 12, 2018, 09:34:31 PM
Thanks for sharing the pictures.
Ace needs a 8.3-8.6 range :(

Here's a crazy idea: ride the 44's
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 13, 2018, 03:23:34 PM
I used to skate 44s back in the day but I always felt they weren’t wide enough for true 8.5 deck and since 159s were avail I’ve been riding since. I love that hanger space of the 55s but that’s just too much axle for my liking and the 44s are the opposite. If I rode 8.375 boards I would do the 44s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 14, 2018, 01:41:26 PM
44’s with two washers on the inside on an 8.5” deck fit perfectly fine. They’re 8.38” wide, so that’s a .12” difference. 55’s are 8.875” wide, I’ve ridden them on a full shape AntiHero 8.5” and they hardly stuck out. A regular 8.5” is too skinny for 55’s. 8.6” and up, works pretty good with ’em.

I don’t think Ace has the money to suddenly make an 8.5” mold and then an 8.25” mold like NHS. The 44 size is pretty versatile and has always worked fine for boards 8.25”-8.5”.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on February 14, 2018, 03:29:15 PM
In the comments of a Theeve insta post they said they’re bringing back the TiH in April. I wonder if they’ll finally update their baseplates and go forged
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on February 14, 2018, 04:07:15 PM
I was thinking of setting up my OG set of TiH but i need baseplates for them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 14, 2018, 04:09:52 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 14, 2018, 01:41:26 PM
44’s with two washers on the inside on an 8.5” deck fit perfectly fine. They’re 8.38” wide, so that’s a .12” difference. 55’s are 8.875” wide, I’ve ridden them on a full shape AntiHero 8.5” and they hardly stuck out. A regular 8.5” is too skinny for 55’s. 8.6” and up, works pretty good with ’em.

I don’t think Ace has the money to suddenly make an 8.5” mold and then an 8.25” mold like NHS. The 44 size is pretty versatile and has always worked fine for boards 8.25”-8.5”.

Not saying that 55s dont work on 8.5s, but the axles are definitely 9 inch long, unless they have some serious QC issues
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 14, 2018, 05:28:30 PM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on February 14, 2018, 04:07:15 PM
I was thinking of setting up my OG set of TiH but i need baseplates for them

Maybe ACE?  I just placed them in and didn't tighten everything up and it seemed to work.  It would also really help with theeves biggest problem....those annoying letters that spell : THEEVE.

tih's grind weird.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on February 14, 2018, 06:54:39 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on February 14, 2018, 05:28:30 PM
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I was thinking of setting up my OG set of TiH but i need baseplates for them
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Maybe ACE?  I just placed them in and didn't tighten everything up and it seemed to work.  It would also really help with theeves biggest problem....those annoying letters that spell : THEEVE.

tih's grind weird.....

I wanna see someone pair some Ace Mag plates with a Theeve hanger to see if the geometry works. Even if the TiH grind weird, a TiAX/TiKing hanger paired with a super light baseplate would theoretically be the GOAT performance truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 14, 2018, 06:56:27 PM
Are they gonna cost like a trillion dollars again and have bushing problems though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on February 14, 2018, 07:08:19 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on February 14, 2018, 06:56:27 PM
Are they gonna cost like a trillion dollars again and have bushing problems though.

The bushing problem has been solved since they came out with the v3’s a few years ago. The very first set of Theeves I skated had the bushing buldge after a while but the set I’ve been riding now has been fine and has more mileage.

As for the price of the TiH’s, they’ll still probably be $100+
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: asakusa75 on February 14, 2018, 07:11:35 PM
Quote from: ventureventure on February 12, 2018, 07:33:59 PM
Anyone knows the perfect skate tool for Venture Trucks?
The usual cheapo plastic T-tool just doesn't do the job for the hardware bolts and the Kingpin bolts.

I have a blue Modus tool. Works fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 15, 2018, 12:29:30 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on February 14, 2018, 04:09:52 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 14, 2018, 01:41:26 PM
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44’s with two washers on the inside on an 8.5” deck fit perfectly fine. They’re 8.38” wide, so that’s a .12” difference. 55’s are 8.875” wide, I’ve ridden them on a full shape AntiHero 8.5” and they hardly stuck out. A regular 8.5” is too skinny for 55’s. 8.6” and up, works pretty good with ’em.

I don’t think Ace has the money to suddenly make an 8.5” mold and then an 8.25” mold like NHS. The 44 size is pretty versatile and has always worked fine for boards 8.25”-8.5”.
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Not saying that 55s dont work on 8.5s, but the axles are definitely 9 inch long, unless they have some serious QC issues

Stage 1’s: 44-8.25” 55-8.75”
Stage 2’s: 44-8.38” 55-8.875”

Their newest Stage 3 with the straight hangers are the ones I haven’t tried or measured yet. Looks like 44’s are still the same size but it appears they went ahead and made 55’s 9” wide. If that’s the case, anything skinnier than an 8.75” with the newer 55’s will have the axles sticking out quite a bit too much. 44’s truly are their most popular and versatile size.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 15, 2018, 01:26:11 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 15, 2018, 12:29:30 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on February 14, 2018, 04:09:52 PM
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Quote from: Diocletian on February 14, 2018, 01:41:26 PM
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44’s with two washers on the inside on an 8.5” deck fit perfectly fine. They’re 8.38” wide, so that’s a .12” difference. 55’s are 8.875” wide, I’ve ridden them on a full shape AntiHero 8.5” and they hardly stuck out. A regular 8.5” is too skinny for 55’s. 8.6” and up, works pretty good with ’em.

I don’t think Ace has the money to suddenly make an 8.5” mold and then an 8.25” mold like NHS. The 44 size is pretty versatile and has always worked fine for boards 8.25”-8.5”.
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Not saying that 55s dont work on 8.5s, but the axles are definitely 9 inch long, unless they have some serious QC issues
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Stage 1’s: 44-8.25” 55-8.75”
Stage 2’s: 44-8.38” 55-8.875”

Their newest Stage 3 with the straight hangers are the ones I haven’t tried or measured yet. Looks like 44’s are still the same size but it appears they went ahead and made 55’s 9” wide. If that’s the case, anything skinnier than an 8.75” with the newer 55’s will have the axles sticking out quite a bit too much. 44’s truly are their most popular and versatile size.

I'm not certain what stage mine are, pretty sure they are the 2s, bought them around this time last year. But if you go on the previous page, I posted a picture of the hangar against a tape measure and its definitely 9 inches. Thats also what it says on the site, so I'm really not sure where everyone is getting 8.875 axles from, maybe their manufacturing process is just wildly inconsistent.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 15, 2018, 05:15:35 AM
I did not realize the newer 44s are slightly longer than the original 44s. Cause I always remembered the 44s make my 8.5 look like a massive boat
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 15, 2018, 08:50:27 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on February 14, 2018, 07:08:19 PM
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Are they gonna cost like a trillion dollars again and have bushing problems though.
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The bushing problem has been solved since they came out with the v3’s a few years ago. The very first set of Theeves I skated had the bushing buldge after a while but the set I’ve been riding now has been fine and has more mileage.

As for the price of the TiH’s, they’ll still probably be $100+

Never had the bushing bulge problem on any version/stage; but then again I don't crank my shit down at all; I really liked the first hanger design, really trim like ACE and the TiH.

Still skating my V3s with soft Khiros and really enjoying them.

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I was thinking of setting up my OG set of TiH but i need baseplates for them
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Maybe ACE?  I just placed them in and didn't tighten everything up and it seemed to work.  It would also really help with theeves biggest problem....those annoying letters that spell : THEEVE.

tih's grind weird.....
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I wanna see someone pair some Ace Mag plates with a Theeve hanger to see if the geometry works. Even if the TiH grind weird, a TiAX/TiKing hanger paired with a super light baseplate would theoretically be the GOAT performance truck.

I've done it, it works fine but it didn't sit perfectly, pushed the yoke out a bit. I'm sure it was lighter but not noticeable different. Sadly,. the TiH do grind weird on metal, otherwise they're amazing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 15, 2018, 10:02:24 AM
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44’s with two washers on the inside on an 8.5” deck fit perfectly fine. They’re 8.38” wide, so that’s a .12” difference. 55’s are 8.875” wide, I’ve ridden them on a full shape AntiHero 8.5” and they hardly stuck out. A regular 8.5” is too skinny for 55’s. 8.6” and up, works pretty good with ’em.

I don’t think Ace has the money to suddenly make an 8.5” mold and then an 8.25” mold like NHS. The 44 size is pretty versatile and has always worked fine for boards 8.25”-8.5”.
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Not saying that 55s dont work on 8.5s, but the axles are definitely 9 inch long, unless they have some serious QC issues
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Stage 1’s: 44-8.25” 55-8.75”
Stage 2’s: 44-8.38” 55-8.875”

Their newest Stage 3 with the straight hangers are the ones I haven’t tried or measured yet. Looks like 44’s are still the same size but it appears they went ahead and made 55’s 9” wide. If that’s the case, anything skinnier than an 8.75” with the newer 55’s will have the axles sticking out quite a bit too much. 44’s truly are their most popular and versatile size.
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I'm not certain what stage mine are, pretty sure they are the 2s, bought them around this time last year. But if you go on the previous page, I posted a picture of the hangar against a tape measure and its definitely 9 inches. Thats also what it says on the site, so I'm really not sure where everyone is getting 8.875 axles from, maybe their manufacturing process is just wildly inconsistent.

Their manufacturing process has been extremely inconsistent for a long time. I’ve had two sets of 55’s and they were 8.875” Stage 2’s. SoCal skate shop has that same measurement in the title and description for Ace 55’s so it wasn’t just a fluke with my two sets of trucks. However, I’ve had all sorts of quality control issues with Ace’s. Sets with one hanger shorter than the other, longer axle on one side, bent axle on a brand new set, wonky hanger facings, several trucks with loose kingpins and broken baseplates from slappies.

It’s no wonder why people disregarded Ace and went back to Indy. Seems like they may finally have their shit together but we shall see when spring comes along and I pick up one of these newer Stage 3’s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 15, 2018, 03:08:13 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 15, 2018, 10:02:24 AM
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44’s with two washers on the inside on an 8.5” deck fit perfectly fine. They’re 8.38” wide, so that’s a .12” difference. 55’s are 8.875” wide, I’ve ridden them on a full shape AntiHero 8.5” and they hardly stuck out. A regular 8.5” is too skinny for 55’s. 8.6” and up, works pretty good with ’em.

I don’t think Ace has the money to suddenly make an 8.5” mold and then an 8.25” mold like NHS. The 44 size is pretty versatile and has always worked fine for boards 8.25”-8.5”.
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Not saying that 55s dont work on 8.5s, but the axles are definitely 9 inch long, unless they have some serious QC issues
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Stage 1’s: 44-8.25” 55-8.75”
Stage 2’s: 44-8.38” 55-8.875”

Their newest Stage 3 with the straight hangers are the ones I haven’t tried or measured yet. Looks like 44’s are still the same size but it appears they went ahead and made 55’s 9” wide. If that’s the case, anything skinnier than an 8.75” with the newer 55’s will have the axles sticking out quite a bit too much. 44’s truly are their most popular and versatile size.
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I'm not certain what stage mine are, pretty sure they are the 2s, bought them around this time last year. But if you go on the previous page, I posted a picture of the hangar against a tape measure and its definitely 9 inches. Thats also what it says on the site, so I'm really not sure where everyone is getting 8.875 axles from, maybe their manufacturing process is just wildly inconsistent.
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Their manufacturing process has been extremely inconsistent for a long time. I’ve had two sets of 55’s and they were 8.875” Stage 2’s. SoCal skate shop has that same measurement in the title and description for Ace 55’s so it wasn’t just a fluke with my two sets of trucks. However, I’ve had all sorts of quality control issues with Ace’s. Sets with one hanger shorter than the other, longer axle on one side, bent axle on a brand new set, wonky hanger facings, several trucks with loose kingpins and broken baseplates from slappies.

It’s no wonder why people disregarded Ace and went back to Indy. Seems like they may finally have their shit together but we shall see when spring comes along and I pick up one of these newer Stage 3’s

To give ACE [and Theeve] some love tho, as it's clearly not easy to burst into the market and take any brand over/out...FFS, Indy are on S T A G E X I, that's eleven iterations of geometry and decades of users/brand loyalty; plus, when something new doesn't work as good as the old, well, everyone goes back to the old...it took Thunder, and subsequently Venture, how long to get marketshare? Hell, without Gonz, Venture probably would have withered on the vine decades ago.

Theeve got it all right with attempt #3 in my opinion, but I fear it was too little too late, tho they [and ACE] could tweak baseplates to not get kingpin wiggle but other than that, Theeve are as solid as they come...ACE is close but they have got to get their act together (which I agree, they seem to be doing, hell even their FB page is busier than usual with multiple posts per day)...but that won't be enough...I think if they did some forged and hollow combinations and ended the poor QC they'd get more market share.

My guess is Theeve makes enough based on locals and import fees on other brands and isn't the metal from a family business or something?

Both suffer from lack of money to sponser big names to game easier market share...but I doubt kids buy tensors because of mullen or daewon ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: RumpelFoarskin on February 15, 2018, 04:11:19 PM
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44’s with two washers on the inside on an 8.5” deck fit perfectly fine. They’re 8.38” wide, so that’s a .12” difference. 55’s are 8.875” wide, I’ve ridden them on a full shape AntiHero 8.5” and they hardly stuck out. A regular 8.5” is too skinny for 55’s. 8.6” and up, works pretty good with ’em.

I don’t think Ace has the money to suddenly make an 8.5” mold and then an 8.25” mold like NHS. The 44 size is pretty versatile and has always worked fine for boards 8.25”-8.5”.
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Not saying that 55s dont work on 8.5s, but the axles are definitely 9 inch long, unless they have some serious QC issues
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Stage 1’s: 44-8.25” 55-8.75”
Stage 2’s: 44-8.38” 55-8.875”

Their newest Stage 3 with the straight hangers are the ones I haven’t tried or measured yet. Looks like 44’s are still the same size but it appears they went ahead and made 55’s 9” wide. If that’s the case, anything skinnier than an 8.75” with the newer 55’s will have the axles sticking out quite a bit too much. 44’s truly are their most popular and versatile size.
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I'm not certain what stage mine are, pretty sure they are the 2s, bought them around this time last year. But if you go on the previous page, I posted a picture of the hangar against a tape measure and its definitely 9 inches. Thats also what it says on the site, so I'm really not sure where everyone is getting 8.875 axles from, maybe their manufacturing process is just wildly inconsistent.
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Their manufacturing process has been extremely inconsistent for a long time. I’ve had two sets of 55’s and they were 8.875” Stage 2’s. SoCal skate shop has that same measurement in the title and description for Ace 55’s so it wasn’t just a fluke with my two sets of trucks. However, I’ve had all sorts of quality control issues with Ace’s. Sets with one hanger shorter than the other, longer axle on one side, bent axle on a brand new set, wonky hanger facings, several trucks with loose kingpins and broken baseplates from slappies.

It’s no wonder why people disregarded Ace and went back to Indy. Seems like they may finally have their shit together but we shall see when spring comes along and I pick up one of these newer Stage 3’s
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To give ACE [and Theeve] some love tho, as it's clearly not easy to burst into the market and take any brand over/out...FFS, Indy are on S T A G E X I, that's eleven iterations of geometry and decades of users/brand loyalty; plus, when something new doesn't work as good as the old, well, everyone goes back to the old...it took Thunder, and subsequently Venture, how long to get marketshare? Hell, without Gonz, Venture probably would have withered on the vine decades ago.

Theeve got it all right with attempt #3 in my opinion, but I fear it was too little too late, tho they [and ACE] could tweak baseplates to not get kingpin wiggle but other than that, Theeve are as solid as they come...ACE is close but they have got to get their act together (which I agree, they seem to be doing, hell even their FB page is busier than usual with multiple posts per day)...but that won't be enough...I think if they did some forged and hollow combinations and ended the poor QC they'd get more market share.

My guess is Theeve makes enough based on locals and import fees on other brands and isn't the metal from a family business or something?

Both suffer from lack of money to sponser big names to game easier market share...but I doubt kids buy tensors because of mullen or daewon ;)
Tensor lows are the best I bought them cause Corey macentide rides them I got the texas toothpick colorway
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on February 15, 2018, 05:07:12 PM
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44’s with two washers on the inside on an 8.5” deck fit perfectly fine. They’re 8.38” wide, so that’s a .12” difference. 55’s are 8.875” wide, I’ve ridden them on a full shape AntiHero 8.5” and they hardly stuck out. A regular 8.5” is too skinny for 55’s. 8.6” and up, works pretty good with ’em.

I don’t think Ace has the money to suddenly make an 8.5” mold and then an 8.25” mold like NHS. The 44 size is pretty versatile and has always worked fine for boards 8.25”-8.5”.
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Not saying that 55s dont work on 8.5s, but the axles are definitely 9 inch long, unless they have some serious QC issues
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Stage 1’s: 44-8.25” 55-8.75”
Stage 2’s: 44-8.38” 55-8.875”

Their newest Stage 3 with the straight hangers are the ones I haven’t tried or measured yet. Looks like 44’s are still the same size but it appears they went ahead and made 55’s 9” wide. If that’s the case, anything skinnier than an 8.75” with the newer 55’s will have the axles sticking out quite a bit too much. 44’s truly are their most popular and versatile size.
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I'm not certain what stage mine are, pretty sure they are the 2s, bought them around this time last year. But if you go on the previous page, I posted a picture of the hangar against a tape measure and its definitely 9 inches. Thats also what it says on the site, so I'm really not sure where everyone is getting 8.875 axles from, maybe their manufacturing process is just wildly inconsistent.
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Their manufacturing process has been extremely inconsistent for a long time. I’ve had two sets of 55’s and they were 8.875” Stage 2’s. SoCal skate shop has that same measurement in the title and description for Ace 55’s so it wasn’t just a fluke with my two sets of trucks. However, I’ve had all sorts of quality control issues with Ace’s. Sets with one hanger shorter than the other, longer axle on one side, bent axle on a brand new set, wonky hanger facings, several trucks with loose kingpins and broken baseplates from slappies.

It’s no wonder why people disregarded Ace and went back to Indy. Seems like they may finally have their shit together but we shall see when spring comes along and I pick up one of these newer Stage 3’s
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To give ACE [and Theeve] some love tho, as it's clearly not easy to burst into the market and take any brand over/out...FFS, Indy are on S T A G E X I, that's eleven iterations of geometry and decades of users/brand loyalty; plus, when something new doesn't work as good as the old, well, everyone goes back to the old...it took Thunder, and subsequently Venture, how long to get marketshare? Hell, without Gonz, Venture probably would have withered on the vine decades ago.

Theeve got it all right with attempt #3 in my opinion, but I fear it was too little too late, tho they [and ACE] could tweak baseplates to not get kingpin wiggle but other than that, Theeve are as solid as they come...ACE is close but they have got to get their act together (which I agree, they seem to be doing, hell even their FB page is busier than usual with multiple posts per day)...but that won't be enough...I think if they did some forged and hollow combinations and ended the poor QC they'd get more market share.

My guess is Theeve makes enough based on locals and import fees on other brands and isn't the metal from a family business or something?

Both suffer from lack of money to sponser big names to game easier market share...but I doubt kids buy tensors because of mullen or daewon ;)
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Tensor lows are the best I bought them cause Corey macentide rides them I got the texas toothpick colorway

Shutap you face!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 15, 2018, 05:14:40 PM
Quote from: Xen on February 15, 2018, 03:08:13 PM
To give ACE [and Theeve] some love tho, as it's clearly not easy to burst into the market and take any brand over/out...FFS, Indy are on S T A G E X I, that's eleven iterations of geometry and decades of users/brand loyalty; plus, when something new doesn't work as good as the old, well, everyone goes back to the old...it took Thunder, and subsequently Venture, how long to get marketshare? Hell, without Gonz, Venture probably would have withered on the vine decades ago.

Theeve got it all right with attempt #3 in my opinion, but I fear it was too little too late, tho they [and ACE] could tweak baseplates to not get kingpin wiggle but other than that, Theeve are as solid as they come...ACE is close but they have got to get their act together (which I agree, they seem to be doing, hell even their FB page is busier than usual with multiple posts per day)...but that won't be enough...I think if they did some forged and hollow combinations and ended the poor QC they'd get more market share.

My guess is Theeve makes enough based on locals and import fees on other brands and isn't the metal from a family business or something?

Both suffer from lack of money to sponser big names to game easier market share...but I doubt kids buy tensors because of mullen or daewon ;)

I’ve yet to try Theeve. I will fully admit it’s a very stupid reason and I’m laughing at myself as I type this, but I don’t like the identifying truck graphic font on the hanger and the baseplate with that stupid looking theeve logo in plain view stamped into the aluminum below the bushing seat. As much as I need a truck to perform good...aesthetics, brand identity, and logo play a part in my choices. It’s probably one of those sad and disturbing things that someone in advertising could explain better than I could about the psychology behind marketing and how it works on consumers. I see how Indy has completely dominated the market and think about how everyone just blindly rides them because it’s just what you’re supposed to do.

You’re correct, Indy is on fucking Stage 11 but has gone backwards ever since Stage 7. No wonder people like myself sought older models and still do. All they needed to do was maintain the 7’s geometry and incorporate modern quality control standards with axles that didn’t slip like they did in the 90s, and offer other modern technology like forged plates, titanium axles, etc.

The thing with Ace now, is they are stepping up their hype and advertising big time and finally have a legit site up and running where you can order direct. They are tagging tons of shops and reposting photos letting people know who has them in stock, and also tagging all sorts of team riders or “pilots” like crazy and reposting clips. Ace has a seriously heavy roster now. If you have nothing better to do and have Instagram, you’ll see they have Neil Blender and a lot of legends backing them, even that crazy ass dude Chef Pierre, and now Donny Barley handling their east coast sales. Ace is blowing up right now, and it’s good to see and I’m happy for them. Shrewgy and Joey have deep roots in the truck game. I think now the reason they’re really hyping things up and getting the ball rolling is because they possibly actually fixed the major issues.

Theeve lost a lot of respect when that video came out talking about their misleading marketing and QC issues. Overall I think they just don’t have the widely accepted image and hype like the other brands.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 15, 2018, 06:25:44 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 15, 2018, 05:14:40 PM
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To give ACE [and Theeve] some love tho, as it's clearly not easy to burst into the market and take any brand over/out...FFS, Indy are on S T A G E X I, that's eleven iterations of geometry and decades of users/brand loyalty; plus, when something new doesn't work as good as the old, well, everyone goes back to the old...it took Thunder, and subsequently Venture, how long to get marketshare? Hell, without Gonz, Venture probably would have withered on the vine decades ago.

Theeve got it all right with attempt #3 in my opinion, but I fear it was too little too late, tho they [and ACE] could tweak baseplates to not get kingpin wiggle but other than that, Theeve are as solid as they come...ACE is close but they have got to get their act together (which I agree, they seem to be doing, hell even their FB page is busier than usual with multiple posts per day)...but that won't be enough...I think if they did some forged and hollow combinations and ended the poor QC they'd get more market share.

My guess is Theeve makes enough based on locals and import fees on other brands and isn't the metal from a family business or something?

Both suffer from lack of money to sponser big names to game easier market share...but I doubt kids buy tensors because of mullen or daewon ;)
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I’ve yet to try Theeve. I will fully admit it’s a very stupid reason and I’m laughing at myself as I type this, but I don’t like the identifying truck graphic font on the hanger and the baseplate with that stupid looking theeve logo in plain view stamped into the aluminum below the bushing seat. As much as I need a truck to perform good...aesthetics, brand identity, and logo play a part in my choices. It’s probably one of those sad and disturbing things that someone in advertising could explain better than I could about the psychology behind marketing and how it works on consumers. I see how Indy has completely dominated the market and think about how everyone just blindly rides them because it’s just what you’re supposed to do.

You’re correct, Indy is on fucking Stage 11 but has gone backwards ever since Stage 7. No wonder people like myself sought older models and still do. All they needed to do was maintain the 7’s geometry and incorporate modern quality control standards with axles that didn’t slip like they did in the 90s, and offer other modern technology like forged plates, titanium axles, etc.

The thing with Ace now, is they are stepping up their hype and advertising big time and finally have a legit site up and running where you can order direct. They are tagging tons of shops and reposting photos letting people know who has them in stock, and also tagging all sorts of team riders or “pilots” like crazy and reposting clips. Ace has a seriously heavy roster now. If you have nothing better to do and have Instagram, you’ll see they have Neil Blender and a lot of legends backing them, even that crazy ass dude Chef Pierre, and now Donny Barley handling their east coast sales. Ace is blowing up right now, and it’s good to see and I’m happy for them. Shrewgy and Joey have deep roots in the truck game. I think now the reason they’re really hyping things up and getting the ball rolling is because they possibly actually fixed the major issues.

Theeve lost a lot of respect when that video came out talking about their misleading marketing and QC issues. Overall I think they just don’t have the widely accepted image and hype like the other brands.

I started skating on Stage IIIs so I have a soft spot for both ACE and Theeve, but also miss the old OG Thunders (Indy Stage II geo, which is supposedly Krux?) and went through, Stage, IV, VI, thunder, thunder, thunder, thunder, X and XI and yeah they've lost it, they really just went down the slow long carve feel and stuck with it.

Theeve's name and logo suck, I couldn't care less if they have the logo on the baseplate, Indy does that shit on the pivot...yeah the Ti 'blend' bullshit and the QC (liek I said, never bothered me). Was out skating them today and was killing it, they are surprisingly stable for as 'wobbly' as they are by hand jiggling them...could be the kiros.

I've backed ACE since they launched (33s are soo good, just wish I skate skinny boards). Hopefully they stay on their shit and intro the/a new line soon. You don't re-brand with ACE 'classics' without something in the works.

Thing is, right now, Theeve provide everything I want from a better 'ACE' (turn as fast and as deep that I feel comfortable on both, something I can't do with swapping back and forth from ACE/Theeve to say Indy or Thunders), lighter, better QC and more build options) or better Indy (you know turning ;).

I'm on the Theeve train until new 44s drop or I can find super cheap or free ace plates :P

But I'm also back on rictas from like 3 years go (still so fucking good) and bronsons so i'm on the kook side of slap gear.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 15, 2018, 10:51:09 PM
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To give ACE [and Theeve] some love tho, as it's clearly not easy to burst into the market and take any brand over/out...FFS, Indy are on S T A G E X I, that's eleven iterations of geometry and decades of users/brand loyalty; plus, when something new doesn't work as good as the old, well, everyone goes back to the old...it took Thunder, and subsequently Venture, how long to get marketshare? Hell, without Gonz, Venture probably would have withered on the vine decades ago.

Theeve got it all right with attempt #3 in my opinion, but I fear it was too little too late, tho they [and ACE] could tweak baseplates to not get kingpin wiggle but other than that, Theeve are as solid as they come...ACE is close but they have got to get their act together (which I agree, they seem to be doing, hell even their FB page is busier than usual with multiple posts per day)...but that won't be enough...I think if they did some forged and hollow combinations and ended the poor QC they'd get more market share.

My guess is Theeve makes enough based on locals and import fees on other brands and isn't the metal from a family business or something?

Both suffer from lack of money to sponser big names to game easier market share...but I doubt kids buy tensors because of mullen or daewon ;)
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I’ve yet to try Theeve. I will fully admit it’s a very stupid reason and I’m laughing at myself as I type this, but I don’t like the identifying truck graphic font on the hanger and the baseplate with that stupid looking theeve logo in plain view stamped into the aluminum below the bushing seat. As much as I need a truck to perform good...aesthetics, brand identity, and logo play a part in my choices. It’s probably one of those sad and disturbing things that someone in advertising could explain better than I could about the psychology behind marketing and how it works on consumers. I see how Indy has completely dominated the market and think about how everyone just blindly rides them because it’s just what you’re supposed to do.

You’re correct, Indy is on fucking Stage 11 but has gone backwards ever since Stage 7. No wonder people like myself sought older models and still do. All they needed to do was maintain the 7’s geometry and incorporate modern quality control standards with axles that didn’t slip like they did in the 90s, and offer other modern technology like forged plates, titanium axles, etc.

The thing with Ace now, is they are stepping up their hype and advertising big time and finally have a legit site up and running where you can order direct. They are tagging tons of shops and reposting photos letting people know who has them in stock, and also tagging all sorts of team riders or “pilots” like crazy and reposting clips. Ace has a seriously heavy roster now. If you have nothing better to do and have Instagram, you’ll see they have Neil Blender and a lot of legends backing them, even that crazy ass dude Chef Pierre, and now Donny Barley handling their east coast sales. Ace is blowing up right now, and it’s good to see and I’m happy for them. Shrewgy and Joey have deep roots in the truck game. I think now the reason they’re really hyping things up and getting the ball rolling is because they possibly actually fixed the major issues.

Theeve lost a lot of respect when that video came out talking about their misleading marketing and QC issues. Overall I think they just don’t have the widely accepted image and hype like the other brands.
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I started skating on Stage IIIs so I have a soft spot for both ACE and Theeve, but also miss the old OG Thunders (Indy Stage II geo, which is supposedly Krux?) and went through, Stage, IV, VI, thunder, thunder, thunder, thunder, X and XI and yeah they've lost it, they really just went down the slow long carve feel and stuck with it.

Theeve's name and logo suck, I couldn't care less if they have the logo on the baseplate, Indy does that shit on the pivot...yeah the Ti 'blend' bullshit and the QC (liek I said, never bothered me). Was out skating them today and was killing it, they are surprisingly stable for as 'wobbly' as they are by hand jiggling them...could be the kiros.

I've backed ACE since they launched (33s are soo good, just wish I skate skinny boards). Hopefully they stay on their shit and intro the/a new line soon. You don't re-brand with ACE 'classics' without something in the works.

Thing is, right now, Theeve provide everything I want from a better 'ACE' (turn as fast and as deep that I feel comfortable on both, something I can't do with swapping back and forth from ACE/Theeve to say Indy or Thunders), lighter, better QC and more build options) or better Indy (you know turning ;).

I'm on the Theeve train until new 44s drop or I can find super cheap or free ace plates :P

But I'm also back on rictas from like 3 years go (still so fucking good) and bronsons so i'm on the kook side of slap gear.

Well I will say the way you describe Theeve shows that if somehow Ace went to shit I could have another option for a good turn/grind and would have the get over the aesthetics. The actual Theeve hanger itself has a nice shape that looks just like a stage 7.

I honestly don’t really care if Ace makes lighter or hollow shit. I just want them to have good QC with no loose kingpins happening. A forged plate on its own is all they really need to do as far as future innovation, for me at least. The mag plates are appealing but it’s just too weak. Focus on the forged.

Speaking of 33’s I noticed they even redesigned that size now with this stage 3 release. It has a slightly wider V for support with the straight hanger, but still maintains the classic trim aesthetic as opposed to 44 and up which look beefy and not as appealing. Overall Ace still has the best looking truck on the market in my opinion.

I never had the honor of skating all those super old geometry Indy’s and Thunders. Too bad they don’t re-release stuff like Tracker does where they pull out the old molds and revamp them for a limited run. I’d waste tons of money on old geometry trucks just to experience what it was like to ride them in those days. Only in dreams...

Indy is just so unappealing of a truck now, I really can see through the bs marketing and hype. Slow turn, even if you ride ’em Matt Rodriguez style they still don’t even really turn. Just a sluggish ass tippy riding-on-a-door type turn. Grind like butter, but that’s about it. They just keep churning out new colors and collabs. You’re supposed to be the #1 truck...innovate. Can’t say that around certain folk though, some people act like Indy is a religious figure immune to all ridicule.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on February 16, 2018, 07:58:54 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 15, 2018, 10:51:09 PM
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To give ACE [and Theeve] some love tho, as it's clearly not easy to burst into the market and take any brand over/out...FFS, Indy are on S T A G E X I, that's eleven iterations of geometry and decades of users/brand loyalty; plus, when something new doesn't work as good as the old, well, everyone goes back to the old...it took Thunder, and subsequently Venture, how long to get marketshare? Hell, without Gonz, Venture probably would have withered on the vine decades ago.

Theeve got it all right with attempt #3 in my opinion, but I fear it was too little too late, tho they [and ACE] could tweak baseplates to not get kingpin wiggle but other than that, Theeve are as solid as they come...ACE is close but they have got to get their act together (which I agree, they seem to be doing, hell even their FB page is busier than usual with multiple posts per day)...but that won't be enough...I think if they did some forged and hollow combinations and ended the poor QC they'd get more market share.

My guess is Theeve makes enough based on locals and import fees on other brands and isn't the metal from a family business or something?

Both suffer from lack of money to sponser big names to game easier market share...but I doubt kids buy tensors because of mullen or daewon ;)
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I’ve yet to try Theeve. I will fully admit it’s a very stupid reason and I’m laughing at myself as I type this, but I don’t like the identifying truck graphic font on the hanger and the baseplate with that stupid looking theeve logo in plain view stamped into the aluminum below the bushing seat. As much as I need a truck to perform good...aesthetics, brand identity, and logo play a part in my choices. It’s probably one of those sad and disturbing things that someone in advertising could explain better than I could about the psychology behind marketing and how it works on consumers. I see how Indy has completely dominated the market and think about how everyone just blindly rides them because it’s just what you’re supposed to do.

You’re correct, Indy is on fucking Stage 11 but has gone backwards ever since Stage 7. No wonder people like myself sought older models and still do. All they needed to do was maintain the 7’s geometry and incorporate modern quality control standards with axles that didn’t slip like they did in the 90s, and offer other modern technology like forged plates, titanium axles, etc.

The thing with Ace now, is they are stepping up their hype and advertising big time and finally have a legit site up and running where you can order direct. They are tagging tons of shops and reposting photos letting people know who has them in stock, and also tagging all sorts of team riders or “pilots” like crazy and reposting clips. Ace has a seriously heavy roster now. If you have nothing better to do and have Instagram, you’ll see they have Neil Blender and a lot of legends backing them, even that crazy ass dude Chef Pierre, and now Donny Barley handling their east coast sales. Ace is blowing up right now, and it’s good to see and I’m happy for them. Shrewgy and Joey have deep roots in the truck game. I think now the reason they’re really hyping things up and getting the ball rolling is because they possibly actually fixed the major issues.

Theeve lost a lot of respect when that video came out talking about their misleading marketing and QC issues. Overall I think they just don’t have the widely accepted image and hype like the other brands.
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I started skating on Stage IIIs so I have a soft spot for both ACE and Theeve, but also miss the old OG Thunders (Indy Stage II geo, which is supposedly Krux?) and went through, Stage, IV, VI, thunder, thunder, thunder, thunder, X and XI and yeah they've lost it, they really just went down the slow long carve feel and stuck with it.

Theeve's name and logo suck, I couldn't care less if they have the logo on the baseplate, Indy does that shit on the pivot...yeah the Ti 'blend' bullshit and the QC (liek I said, never bothered me). Was out skating them today and was killing it, they are surprisingly stable for as 'wobbly' as they are by hand jiggling them...could be the kiros.

I've backed ACE since they launched (33s are soo good, just wish I skate skinny boards). Hopefully they stay on their shit and intro the/a new line soon. You don't re-brand with ACE 'classics' without something in the works.

Thing is, right now, Theeve provide everything I want from a better 'ACE' (turn as fast and as deep that I feel comfortable on both, something I can't do with swapping back and forth from ACE/Theeve to say Indy or Thunders), lighter, better QC and more build options) or better Indy (you know turning ;).

I'm on the Theeve train until new 44s drop or I can find super cheap or free ace plates :P

But I'm also back on rictas from like 3 years go (still so fucking good) and bronsons so i'm on the kook side of slap gear.
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Well I will say the way you describe Theeve shows that if somehow Ace went to shit I could have another option for a good turn/grind and would have the get over the aesthetics. The actual Theeve hanger itself has a nice shape that looks just like a stage 7.

I honestly don’t really care if Ace makes lighter or hollow shit. I just want them to have good QC with no loose kingpins happening. A forged plate on its own is all they really need to do as far as future innovation, for me at least. The mag plates are appealing but it’s just too weak. Focus on the forged.

Speaking of 33’s I noticed they even redesigned that size now with this stage 3 release. It has a slightly wider V for support with the straight hanger, but still maintains the classic trim aesthetic as opposed to 44 and up which look beefy and not as appealing. Overall Ace still has the best looking truck on the market in my opinion.

I never had the honor of skating all those super old geometry Indy’s and Thunders. Too bad they don’t re-release stuff like Tracker does where they pull out the old molds and revamp them for a limited run. I’d waste tons of money on old geometry trucks just to experience what it was like to ride them in those days. Only in dreams...

Indy is just so unappealing of a truck now, I really can see through the bs marketing and hype. Slow turn, even if you ride ’em Matt Rodriguez style they still don’t even really turn. Just a sluggish ass tippy riding-on-a-door type turn. Grind like butter, but that’s about it. They just keep churning out new colors and collabs. You’re supposed to be the #1 truck...innovate. Can’t say that around certain folk though, some people act like Indy is a religious figure immune to all ridicule.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1xAUfdK9FE
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Seadramon on February 16, 2018, 10:28:02 AM
Came across this Steve Olson ad - anyone ever try this? Two different sized trucks sounds kind of fun.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ULRzlgXhses/TNq8Y7NGmJI/AAAAAAAABV0/LAWRbMbJTyE/s1600/steveolson02.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on February 16, 2018, 10:35:20 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on February 14, 2018, 03:29:15 PM
In the comments of a Theeve insta post they said they’re bringing back the TiH in April. I wonder if they’ll finally update their baseplates and go forged
Saw some on ebay with forged baseplates. So, all signs point to yes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on February 16, 2018, 12:41:50 PM
Quote from: Seadramon on February 16, 2018, 10:28:02 AM
Came across this Steve Olson ad - anyone ever try this? Two different sized trucks sounds kind of fun.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ULRzlgXhses/TNq8Y7NGmJI/AAAAAAAABV0/LAWRbMbJTyE/s1600/steveolson02.jpg)

Wonder why the back would be the wider one.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 16, 2018, 12:47:32 PM
More stable in the rear and quicker in the front?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Seadramon on February 16, 2018, 06:51:35 PM
Quote from: fang on February 16, 2018, 12:41:50 PM
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Came across this Steve Olson ad - anyone ever try this? Two different sized trucks sounds kind of fun.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ULRzlgXhses/TNq8Y7NGmJI/AAAAAAAABV0/LAWRbMbJTyE/s1600/steveolson02.jpg)
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Wonder why the back would be the wider one.

I'm picturing a directional board like a zip zinger with a shorter truck up front. I might try it once the snow's gone.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on February 16, 2018, 08:04:56 PM
Y’all (we) fuckin wildin in here. Just setup some cast baseplates with Titanium 149 hangars to try out the added height. Gonna Skate em Sunday and see how it goes. If theeve puts out a new model and they aren’t super expensive I might give them a go. I wanted to like aces but every time I tried them I just didn’t feel enough of a positive difference to switch from my indys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on February 16, 2018, 08:23:24 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on February 12, 2018, 08:08:17 PM
(https://preview.ibb.co/dkXW37/28080236_10208570736946134_1344666159_o.jpg)

Here are my 55s, bang on 9 inches even with slightly bent axles. They do skate well on 8.5 boards though, so if you dont mind the heaviness, Id say give it a go. If you run no washers on the inside, the difference between 55s and 159s is minimal. Another thing you could do is get 44s and run like 3 washers on the inside, that works well for 8.5s too, pretty sure the axle is long enough.

Just re-meaured my 55s and they are indeed shy of 9" and come in around 8 78". Maybe they have mixed things up...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 16, 2018, 08:44:30 PM
Quote from: Not Local on February 16, 2018, 08:23:24 PM
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Here are my 55s, bang on 9 inches even with slightly bent axles. They do skate well on 8.5 boards though, so if you dont mind the heaviness, Id say give it a go. If you run no washers on the inside, the difference between 55s and 159s is minimal. Another thing you could do is get 44s and run like 3 washers on the inside, that works well for 8.5s too, pretty sure the axle is long enough.
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Just re-meaured my 55s and they are indeed shy of 9" and come in around 8 78". Maybe they have mixed things up...

Yeah seems like everyone says their quality control is fucked. The geometry is just so good though, nice deep turns, perfect cruiser truck. Hopefully they up their game, would also be down for forged plates, titanium/hollow aces too just to shave a little weight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on February 16, 2018, 08:48:04 PM
Ultimately hanger width is more import than axle width. Like you said the turn outweighs other concerns. As far as the hollow/ forged stuff, I'm not really too bothered. It does seem a size between 44s and 55s would make a lot of sense at this point.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on February 16, 2018, 09:47:03 PM
I have 2 sets of Ventures, 5.25s and 5.8s.  Both are lights, but not hollow.  I really with they would make 5.5s for 8.25" boards because I'm not a fan of either sizes on an 8.25 but I hate all other trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 17, 2018, 12:10:04 PM
Quote from: Firebert on February 16, 2018, 10:35:20 AM
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In the comments of a Theeve insta post they said they’re bringing back the TiH in April. I wonder if they’ll finally update their baseplates and go forged
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Saw some on ebay with forged baseplates. So, all signs point to yes.

Can't say I've ever seen pics of a theeve forged plate an I follow that shit pretty close. You got snaps?

Every set I've ridden have had cast (even my last set of TiH) - the forged plate rumor direct from theeve was what, 2-3 years ago?

Theeve's casting is top fucking notch, heads and tails above emerico.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 17, 2018, 03:12:08 PM
Went with Thunder Team hollow 149s instead of Ace 44s. The Aces was just either too much truck or too little truck for 8.5s

Im riding them stock bushings but the top one cut in half with only bottom washer
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 17, 2018, 06:05:25 PM
Quote from: nosneb on February 17, 2018, 03:12:08 PM
Went with Thunder Team hollow 149s instead of Ace 44s. The Aces was just either too much truck or too little truck for 8.5s

Im riding them stock bushings but the top one cut in half with only bottom washer

How did you chop the top bushing with (and how without losing fingers)? I set up my thunders today (thunder OG bottom with a bones thin washer) and    stopped there knowing I need a low top or chop the one I have.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 18, 2018, 04:59:16 AM
Quote from: nosneb on February 17, 2018, 03:12:08 PM
The Aces was just either too much truck or too little truck for 8.5s

Yeah that .12” difference is way too small for an 8.5” board. Two washers on the inside isn’t enough, need like 4. ::)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 18, 2018, 06:38:25 AM



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Went with Thunder Team hollow 149s instead of Ace 44s. The Aces was just either too much truck or too little truck for 8.5s

Im riding them stock bushings but the top one cut in half with only bottom washer
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How did you chop the top bushing with (and how without losing fingers)? I set up my thunders today (thunder OG bottom with a bones thin washer) and    stopped there knowing I need a low top or chop the one I have.

At home I took an old deck and started sanding the bushing down with the grip tape. If I was at my work shop I have clamps benches and saws.
Actually I sanded alittle more so I can fit the top washer and have my kingpin bolt flush with some wobble.

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The Aces was just either too much truck or too little truck for 8.5s
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Yeah that .12” difference is way too small for an 8.5” board. Two washers on the inside isn’t enough, need like 4. ::)

If I add spacers I’ll run into the problems with wheel binding.  I like to have my bolts flush with the threads one barley one thread sticking out. The 44s don’t have enough ginding space for my preference.
I’m coming from a Indy 159 truck so I think 44s are absolutely tiny
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 18, 2018, 06:50:50 AM
Here is an older truck with top bushing cut in 60%with no top washer (https://i.imgur.com/yVvnkSJ_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)

This is my new trucks with top bushing cut same size but with top washer
(https://i.imgur.com/zIF5ez3_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 18, 2018, 09:36:48 AM
I started sanding it down on an old board and it felt like an exercise in futility so I gave up; I'll probably just but some low bushings and use the tops.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 18, 2018, 09:59:36 AM
its pretty easy lol. I put alittle force down, push it down the grip tape one direction a few times and rotate. It look me like 5 minutes to do both bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MaitlandPrivado on February 18, 2018, 05:36:45 PM
Does anyone know if Indy conicals work well with Ventures?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on February 19, 2018, 02:02:43 AM
Quote from: MaitlandPrivado on February 18, 2018, 05:36:45 PM
Does anyone know if Indy conicals work well with Ventures?

Yes. Indy bushings are the same size as Venture bushings. I put the super softs on my 5.8 Ventures and they work nicely. The trucks still don’t really turn all that much though. 😊
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on February 19, 2018, 07:38:37 AM
Quote from: Xen on February 17, 2018, 12:10:04 PM
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In the comments of a Theeve insta post they said they’re bringing back the TiH in April. I wonder if they’ll finally update their baseplates and go forged
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Saw some on ebay with forged baseplates. So, all signs point to yes.
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Can't say I've ever seen pics of a theeve forged plate an I follow that shit pretty close. You got snaps?


Hard to tell from this pic, it's all I could find in my old e-mails. They were advertised as being forged, and looked much more polished than the usual plates. However they didn't look thinner like indy's and thunders do.

(https://ci5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/0xiVNIKTC2YO0nq34u6uue3eKlqPmNvGSD6sPcjiRgvkH1vDXSmJVyjXOTYOhT-RM8rugBrsw7n2g6WyNltCFBKZGmk33VQdRRjm790Tup4=s0-d-e1-ft#https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/6qMAAOSwUwFaF99V/s-l275.jpg)


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 19, 2018, 09:51:30 AM
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In the comments of a Theeve insta post they said they’re bringing back the TiH in April. I wonder if they’ll finally update their baseplates and go forged
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Saw some on ebay with forged baseplates. So, all signs point to yes.
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Can't say I've ever seen pics of a theeve forged plate an I follow that shit pretty close. You got snaps?

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Hard to tell from this pic, it's all I could find in my old e-mails. They were advertised as being forged, and looked much more polished than the usual plates. However they didn't look thinner like indy's and thunders do.

(https://ci5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/0xiVNIKTC2YO0nq34u6uue3eKlqPmNvGSD6sPcjiRgvkH1vDXSmJVyjXOTYOhT-RM8rugBrsw7n2g6WyNltCFBKZGmk33VQdRRjm790Tup4=s0-d-e1-ft#https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/6qMAAOSwUwFaF99V/s-l275.jpg)

Standard Theeve cast plates; that's the thing about Theeve's casting, it looks soo good/it's so well done compared to indy or thunder raw casts. I could see how one could think it's forged.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 19, 2018, 10:56:53 AM
I still can’t help but want to stockpile a bunch of older design slim hanger Ace’s. Anyone have any shops in the USA, whether it’s local or online, that they know about that have some Stage 1 Ace 44’s or 55’s?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Smartass on February 19, 2018, 12:52:35 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on February 14, 2018, 03:29:15 PM
In the comments of a Theeve insta post they said they’re bringing back the TiH in April. I wonder if they’ll finally update their baseplates and go forged

Definitely interested in trying some Theeve's once they re-release the TiH. Well, also interested in trying the TiKing's, but is the price jump worth it over Theeve's other offerings? I mean its the same price as a set of Titanium Thunder/Indy's, do they perform as well as those guys?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on February 19, 2018, 02:41:16 PM
Quote from: Smartass on February 19, 2018, 12:52:35 PM
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In the comments of a Theeve insta post they said they’re bringing back the TiH in April. I wonder if they’ll finally update their baseplates and go forged
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Definitely interested in trying some Theeve's once they re-release the TiH. Well, also interested in trying the TiKing's, but is the price jump worth it over Theeve's other offerings? I mean its the same price as a set of Titanium Thunder/Indy's, do they perform as well as those guys?

Yea you’re getting pretty much the same thing at that price, hollow kingpin w/ titanium axles. cast baseplate tho but like Xen said, they’re pretty well made.


I haven’t skated the TiH’s but the TiKings are excellent to me. I’ll admit I occasionally get swayed by Thunder & Venture mostly due to their team/marketing but ultimately, I just skate better and have done a lot of my best tricks with Theeves. Their marketing is abysmal compared to the Big 3 but the trucks themselves are as good as anything else out there. They also have that oval yoke that prevents wheelbite and gives you a balance of both subtle, surfy turns and sharper, precise ones. I’d always recommend Theeves to anyone looking to try something new with their truck game
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on February 19, 2018, 02:46:01 PM
frankensteined my old TiH with a pair of mismatched theeve baseplates i found, never noticed until now the space between the bottom bushing and the middle of the truck, i put bones mediums in there, even with a bones flat washer on bottom and top im not to sure on them anymore. Guess i'll just still to my 144s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 19, 2018, 08:32:44 PM
Theeve TiH are amazing, as turny as aces yet super stable and stupid light - but, they grind oddly on angled iron or steel coping (but absolutely wreck face on concrete). I only sold mine off (used, and for more than I paid new) because I'm only skating park these days and like I mentioned they grind a bit odd/not as well as regular aluminum, I'd stick with TiKings or Tiax.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 19, 2018, 09:55:40 PM
What do you guys think about hollow axles? I’ve skated titanium versions if I ever wanted to upgrade from standard, and the hollow kingpin doesn’t really seem like it would be a huge issue with breakage. But a hollow axle just seems silly. Jumping down stuff, constant weight on them...they seem very likely to bend. I’m a big fella, around 210lbs, you guys think there’s a higher chance one could bend hollow axle trucks at that weight range?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 19, 2018, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: Xen on February 19, 2018, 08:32:44 PM
Theeve TiH are amazing, as turny as aces yet super stable and stupid light - but, they grind oddly on angled iron or steel coping (but absolutely wreck face on concrete). I only sold mine off (used, and for more than I paid new) because I'm only skating park these days and like I mentioned they grind a bit odd/not as well as regular aluminum, I'd stick with TiKings or Tiax.

How would you describe the grind on angle iron/steel coping? Is it just a strange feeling or does it actually mess with your tricks?

Quote from: Diocletian on February 19, 2018, 09:55:40 PM
What do you guys think about hollow axles? I’ve skated titanium versions if I ever wanted to upgrade from standard, and the hollow kingpin doesn’t really seem like it would be a huge issue with breakage. But a hollow axle just seems silly. Jumping down stuff, constant weight on them...they seem very likely to bend. I’m a big fella, around 210lbs, you guys think there’s a higher chance one could bend hollow axle trucks at that weight range?

Truck axles are effectively cylinders, and most of the structural integrity of cylinders comes from the outer surface as opposed to centre. Thus a hollow axle has a better strength to weight ratio than a solid axle.

Apparently hollow shafts are also stiffer and in many cases stronger than solid ones:

https://www.quora.com/A-hollow-shaft-has-greater-strength-and-stiffness-than-a-solid-shaft-of-equal-weight-Why-is-it-true

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2000-10/971922595.Eg.r.html

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/12913/hollow-tube-stronger-than-solid-bar-of-same-outside-diameter-o-d

I definitely wouldn't worry about hollow axles bending. In the case that they do, they almost certainly would have bent too had you been skating regular axles.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on February 20, 2018, 10:26:52 AM
Quote from: MaitlandPrivado on February 18, 2018, 05:36:45 PM
Does anyone know if Indy conicals work well with Ventures?

Try Supercush. They are awesome and made by Deluxe
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on February 20, 2018, 10:28:50 AM
Quote from: Sad Hippo on February 16, 2018, 09:47:03 PM
I have 2 sets of Ventures, 5.25s and 5.8s.  Both are lights, but not hollow.  I really with they would make 5.5s for 8.25" boards because I'm not a fan of either sizes on an 8.25 but I hate all other trucks.

Good call. I had some 5.25s on an 8.25 and it had that boat tilt feeling
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 20, 2018, 02:04:39 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on February 19, 2018, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: Xen on February 19, 2018, 08:32:44 PM
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Theeve TiH are amazing, as turny as aces yet super stable and stupid light - but, they grind oddly on angled iron or steel coping (but absolutely wreck face on concrete). I only sold mine off (used, and for more than I paid new) because I'm only skating park these days and like I mentioned they grind a bit odd/not as well as regular aluminum, I'd stick with TiKings or Tiax.
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How would you describe the grind on angle iron/steel coping? Is it just a strange feeling or does it actually mess with your tricks?

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What do you guys think about hollow axles? I’ve skated titanium versions if I ever wanted to upgrade from standard, and the hollow kingpin doesn’t really seem like it would be a huge issue with breakage. But a hollow axle just seems silly. Jumping down stuff, constant weight on them...they seem very likely to bend. I’m a big fella, around 210lbs, you guys think there’s a higher chance one could bend hollow axle trucks at that weight range?
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Truck axles are effectively cylinders, and most of the structural integrity of cylinders comes from the outer surface as opposed to centre. Thus a hollow axle has a better strength to weight ratio than a solid axle.

Apparently hollow shafts are also stiffer and in many cases stronger than solid ones:

https://www.quora.com/A-hollow-shaft-has-greater-strength-and-stiffness-than-a-solid-shaft-of-equal-weight-Why-is-it-true

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2000-10/971922595.Eg.r.html

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/12913/hollow-tube-stronger-than-solid-bar-of-same-outside-diameter-o-d

I definitely wouldn't worry about hollow axles bending. In the case that they do, they almost certainly would have bent just as much, if not more had you been skating regular axles.

It's sort of sticky, it grinds but its not a forgiving feeling the way regular aluminum is; also there will be little burn marks on the truck from angled iron.

Also, on 'crete it would take you lightyears to grind in a groove.

The turn like a dream tho, I swear the TiH feel different than current V3s, like the V3 geo just isn't the same due to how they had to reinforce it (changing the hanger V to a more standard design supposedly made bushings sit better?).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 20, 2018, 06:23:24 PM
My brain isn’t smart enough to comprehend all that math haha. How could a chromoly hollow axle be stronger than one that is solid? It doesn’t make sense unless the hollow one was made of a stronger material.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: B. Hopper on February 20, 2018, 06:44:16 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 20, 2018, 06:23:24 PM
My brain isn’t smart enough to comprehend all that math haha. How could a chromoly hollow axle be stronger than one that is solid? It doesn’t make sense unless the hollow one was made of a stronger material.

It's possible. Heat treating, butting, etc.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 20, 2018, 06:50:25 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 20, 2018, 06:23:24 PM
My brain isn’t smart enough to comprehend all that math haha. How could a chromoly hollow axle be stronger than one that is solid? It doesn’t make sense unless the hollow one was made of a stronger material.

I believe that hollow axles are better than solid ones when it comes to torsional loads. But what is for sure true is that they have a better strength to weight ratio than solid axles, as most of the structural integrity of cylinders is from the outer parts(refer to the equation in the stackexchange link). This doesn't mean that hollow axles are stronger than solid ones, but per gram, they are(sorry if this wasn't clear in my last reply).

Consider the examples in here here:
https://www.mtbiker.sk/forum/resources/file/207637

"area moment of inertia is a property of a cross section that can be used to predict the resistance of beams to bending"

They then provide an example of a hollow and solid shaft of the same diameter.
"in this case, the hollow tube area moment of inertia is approximately 85% the solid rod of the same diameter but the cross sectional area (weight) of the hollow tube is only 62% of the solid rod."

Obviously these numbers vary given the dimensions of the axle but I think you get my point.

I don't have a physics degree so take what I say with a grain of salt. I'd say you are tempted to get hollows, don't let fears of bending stop you, I'm 190ibs, break a lot of shit, and have never had issues with hollow axles when I had them (but have had bad experiences with solid thunder 149 axles bending a lot). If anything its those pesky ace axles that never fail to bend.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 20, 2018, 07:06:01 PM
I always stayed away from hollow stuff. This is my first hollow kingpin truck. Wouldn’t mind trying the hollow axles but I think they would get mangled from landing primo and stuff.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 20, 2018, 07:16:30 PM
Quote from: nosneb on February 20, 2018, 07:06:01 PM
I always stayed away from hollow stuff. This is my first hollow kingpin truck. Wouldn’t mind trying the hollow axles but I think they would get mangled from landing primo and stuff.

Pad the outside side of your axle with extra washers, so that when you screw on the nut it protects the axle. That way after a lot of primos, you will only scuff your nuts which are easily replaceable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: B. Hopper on February 20, 2018, 08:09:19 PM
LoL @ "you will only scuff your nuts"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on February 20, 2018, 10:06:36 PM
All this talk about Theeve makes me want to try them out but they're difficult as fuck to find in Europe. Especially the 5.85" seems to be sold pretty much nowhere.  ???
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 20, 2018, 10:23:25 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on February 20, 2018, 06:50:25 PM
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My brain isn’t smart enough to comprehend all that math haha. How could a chromoly hollow axle be stronger than one that is solid? It doesn’t make sense unless the hollow one was made of a stronger material.
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I believe that hollow axles are better than solid ones when it comes to torsional loads. But what is for sure true is that they have a better strength to weight ratio than solid axles, as most of the structural integrity of cylinders is from the outer parts(refer to the equation in the stackexchange link). This doesn't mean that hollow axles are stronger than solid ones, but per gram, they are(sorry if this wasn't clear in my last reply).

Consider the examples in here here:
https://www.mtbiker.sk/forum/resources/file/207637

"area moment of inertia is a property of a cross section that can be used to predict the resistance of beams to bending"

They then provide an example of a hollow and solid shaft of the same diameter.
"in this case, the hollow tube area moment of inertia is approximately 85% the solid rod of the same diameter but the cross sectional area (weight) of the hollow tube is only 62% of the solid rod."

Obviously these numbers vary given the dimensions of the axle but I think you get my point.

I don't have a physics degree so take what I say with a grain of salt. I'd say you are tempted to get hollows, don't let fears of bending stop you, I'm 190ibs, break a lot of shit, and have never had issues with hollow axles when I had them (but have had bad experiences with solid thunder 149 axles bending a lot). If anything its those pesky ace axles that never fail to bend.

I’ve read people saying they’ve bent solid Thunder axles on here, too. Wonder if Thunder has a design flaw in the hanger? Not much metal reinforcement compared to the rest.

Thanks for your responses and the info. So I guess a hollow axle is more prone to just straight snapping instead of bending like a solid? That’s kinda what I’m taking from this but correct me if I’m wrong.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 20, 2018, 10:32:40 PM
Yeah I think that's right, intuitively speaking it makes sense. With all this being said there are many factors we haven't considered such as the difference in manufacturing process etc which could also affect the strength of the axle.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't ever heard of anybody that consistently bends/snaps hollow axles but skates solid ones fine. It's always the people who skate solid axles and have never skated hollow axles that trash them for being weak.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Octobre Rouge. on February 21, 2018, 06:02:45 AM
Quote from: Roisto on February 20, 2018, 10:06:36 PM
All this talk about Theeve makes me want to try them out but they're difficult as fuck to find in Europe. Especially the 5.85" seems to be sold pretty much nowhere.  ???

You can find them on https://www.titus-shop.com/fr_FR/index.php?screen=dstore.shop.category&Search=theeve
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on February 21, 2018, 07:58:57 AM
Quote from: Octobre Rouge. on February 21, 2018, 06:02:45 AM
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All this talk about Theeve makes me want to try them out but they're difficult as fuck to find in Europe. Especially the 5.85" seems to be sold pretty much nowhere.  ???
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You can find them on https://www.titus-shop.com/fr_FR/index.php?screen=dstore.shop.category&Search=theeve

Thanks. Checked that before already. Only one truck left and I would need two. 😊
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 21, 2018, 01:06:55 PM
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Went with Thunder Team hollow 149s instead of Ace 44s. The Aces was just either too much truck or too little truck for 8.5s

Im riding them stock bushings but the top one cut in half with only bottom washer
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How did you chop the top bushing with (and how without losing fingers)? I set up my thunders today (thunder OG bottom with a bones thin washer) and    stopped there knowing I need a low top or chop the one I have.
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At home I took an old deck and started sanding the bushing down with the grip tape. If I was at my work shop I have clamps benches and saws.
Actually I sanded alittle more so I can fit the top washer and have my kingpin bolt flush with some wobble.




Got it! Just needed to find a deck with regular MOB on it; knocked it out in a few min, might have gone too low, we'll see.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 21, 2018, 01:16:22 PM
Jessup worked out perfect. Mob might take off lots of material so careful to not slip your finger lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 21, 2018, 02:36:26 PM
https://instagram.com/p/BfbKeGkBqX5/

Pretty sick lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on February 21, 2018, 02:42:01 PM
i scrolled through that guys stuff yesterday, he really takes the invert kingpin stuff seriously

Edit: https://www.instagram.com/p/BfeRZdOhc5c/?tagged=independenttrucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: In A Jar on February 21, 2018, 04:25:09 PM
Anyone know how well Indy after market bushings hold up in below freezing temperatures?  Trying to find barrel bushings that don't freeze up too much. 

Also, are the white Indy bushings that come in their titanium trucks considered stock bushings? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 21, 2018, 05:20:50 PM
I ride the red soft conical bushing and in the freezing cold it’s hard af. Only bushings I remember being soft in cold was bones soft or dohdoh bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on February 21, 2018, 05:57:05 PM
Quote from: nosneb on February 21, 2018, 05:20:50 PM
I ride the red soft conical bushing and in the freezing cold it’s hard af. Only bushings I remember being soft in cold was bones soft or dohdoh bushings

Wait, there's an alternative to winter weight gain?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 21, 2018, 07:31:05 PM
I wish I can ride the soft bones. I blow them out on the first slappy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 21, 2018, 07:38:32 PM
Quote from: nosneb on February 21, 2018, 07:31:05 PM
I wish I can ride the soft bones. I blow them out on the first slappy

Try hard/medium bottoms with soft tops, you'll be surprised (unless you blow out the tops regularly).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 21, 2018, 09:14:26 PM
I mangle the whole thing  :'( running stock with the modded top has been working great “custom tune” lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on February 22, 2018, 12:09:54 AM
Just finished a second session on the blue conical indy aftermarkets in 149 thunder hollow lights. Top indy washer at the bottom, thin bones washer at the top. Had only been using bones hard bushings for the last 4 years, and I was not expecting such an improvement in my ride. Bushings broken in out of the box and the trucks actually turn much-much sharper. The difference is almost as noticeable as when i first went to bones from plain barrel minus the frustration of getting used to new shit. I am super stocked, these things are heavenly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on February 24, 2018, 01:36:45 PM
Probably not necessary, but anybody ever try fuckin' with wedge risers?

(http://oldschoolskates.com/images/Wedges%20p.jpg)

I think I read in one of Natas's old thrasher interviews that he used one on the front to make it look like it the board "is getting more air", or something like that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 24, 2018, 03:52:06 PM
I used to do that because of that interview....yah these angle things might do something but I think the only benefit would be changing the carve....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on February 24, 2018, 04:26:26 PM
If they were thinner with real small amounts of "wedge" they might be cool. Something to fine tune how your trucks feel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 24, 2018, 06:45:18 PM
Slalom guys have been doing this forever.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on February 24, 2018, 07:20:38 PM
Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on February 24, 2018, 04:26:26 PM
If they were thinner with real small amounts of "wedge" they might be cool. Something to fine tune how your trucks feel.

Natas just had more risers on the front over the back for quicker snaps. Wedge risers are for slalom, long boarding and trucks that don't turn. In other words- don't do it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on February 26, 2018, 12:25:27 PM
After having a negative experience with Bones Mediums in the past, I reluctantly bought some of the softer ones for my cruiser board. I got some extra wide trucks and just couldn't get them to feel right. Just put 'em on and skated back and forth my driveway and they feel really nice. One of the replacement washers must have fallen out of the box somewhere, so I'm not using any washers at all which I assume will be okay since this is strictly a cruiser board. I felt like I was crazy by not getting the Bones hype, but I'm gonna ride around town later and see how it feels for longer than a couple minutes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: roba on February 28, 2018, 05:50:43 AM
Quote from: Roisto on February 21, 2018, 07:58:57 AM
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All this talk about Theeve makes me want to try them out but they're difficult as fuck to find in Europe. Especially the 5.85" seems to be sold pretty much nowhere.  ???
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You can find them on https://www.titus-shop.com/fr_FR/index.php?screen=dstore.shop.category&Search=theeve
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Thanks. Checked that before already. Only one truck left and I would need two. 😊

if you're still looking for them - http://www.ambassadors.pl/en/30-85

not sure if they ship outside of poland though. 199pln is like 50 euros so they're kinda cheap too
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 28, 2018, 08:39:12 PM
If anyone wants a second chance at some vintage Indy’s, these are some Stage 8’s in new condition I just spotted on eBay and aren’t priced at $500 like everyone seems to do when they sell em on there. Good luck, you’ll probably end up in an intense bidding war with some serious Indy lifer who set his max bid at $200 lol.

https://m.ebay.com/itm/NOS-INDEPENDENT-dual-bolt-pattern-skateboard-trucks-2-blue-silver-NEW-VTG/323104436410?hash=item4b3a8670ba:g:X2gAAOSwYcZalVCn
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on March 01, 2018, 06:34:50 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 28, 2018, 08:39:12 PM
If anyone wants a second chance at some vintage Indy’s, these are some Stage 8’s in new condition I just spotted on eBay and aren’t priced at $500 like everyone seems to do when they sell em on there. Good luck, you’ll probably end up in an intense bidding war with some serious Indy lifer who set his max bid at $200 lol.

https://m.ebay.com/itm/NOS-INDEPENDENT-dual-bolt-pattern-skateboard-trucks-2-blue-silver-NEW-VTG/323104436410?hash=item4b3a8670ba:g:X2gAAOSwYcZalVCn

Those pics make me feel funny ... down there.
I have one set of stage 8s left that are 126s. I've been debating setting up a skinnier deck and just using them cuz I'm not getting any younger so why not.

Part of why I was looking for that Indy history. To compare stage 7 and 8 but i do think they're 8
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on March 01, 2018, 06:41:49 AM
damn those are tempting, imagine getting them for less then the new ones?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 01, 2018, 12:56:00 PM
Quote from: fang on March 01, 2018, 06:34:50 AM
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If anyone wants a second chance at some vintage Indy’s, these are some Stage 8’s in new condition I just spotted on eBay and aren’t priced at $500 like everyone seems to do when they sell em on there. Good luck, you’ll probably end up in an intense bidding war with some serious Indy lifer who set his max bid at $200 lol.

https://m.ebay.com/itm/NOS-INDEPENDENT-dual-bolt-pattern-skateboard-trucks-2-blue-silver-NEW-VTG/323104436410?hash=item4b3a8670ba:g:X2gAAOSwYcZalVCn
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Those pics make me feel funny ... down there.
I have one set of stage 8s left that are 126s. I've been debating setting up a skinnier deck and just using them cuz I'm not getting any younger so why not.

Part of why I was looking for that Indy history. To compare stage 7 and 8 but i do think they're 8

Those are 8’s. I had two sets of stage 7’s in near mint condition and just recently sold them. The 7’s look exactly like a theeve hanger. The 8’s have a trimmer hanger design compared to the 7’s, and the major indication being the first stage to come out with the bar cross stamped on the baseplate. Stage 7’s and all prior stages did not have this. They grind the same I’m sure, as far as the turn goes, I’ve not skated 8’s but from what I’ve read they were the last good stage Indy released before the turn became slowwwww.

Edit: here’s more info: https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1505758&sid=5bbd5a9f351389e32d582d4fc157f325
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on March 01, 2018, 03:33:32 PM
Stage 5 149 in anodized green.... very tempting...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-NOS-Independent-Skateboard-Trucks-Indy-Stage-V-Anodized-Green-Rare/202241453200?_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D47301%26meid%3D88647a7d7532446db93780a69a7c6b3a%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D323104436410%26itm%3D202241453200&_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-NOS-Independent-Skateboard-Trucks-Indy-Stage-V-Anodized-Green-Rare/202241453200?_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D47301%26meid%3D88647a7d7532446db93780a69a7c6b3a%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D323104436410%26itm%3D202241453200&_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 01, 2018, 03:48:44 PM
Those would be worth posting if the price wasn’t $213 after shipping. I’d pay $80 tops for a set of trucks, modern or old. They’re just gonna get destroyed either way.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on March 01, 2018, 05:37:32 PM
Get a better job and suck it up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 01, 2018, 08:33:36 PM
Quote from: Not Local on March 01, 2018, 05:37:32 PM
Get a better job and suck it up.

Yeah lemme go get another job for some $200 trucks that have an old school mounting hole pattern and are colored brb.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 01, 2018, 11:19:32 PM
The madness came back and I had to kill my curiosity with my stage 10 149’s cause stop lying to yourselves the stage 11 no matter what size stage 11 feel tipsy with that 55mm height plus your 53mm-55mm wheels cause 52mm and under are for wussies that only skate flat

The stage 10 149 standards feel so goood!

Stage 12 should definitely take a dial back and be that 53.5mm height on standard casts, my kickflips were actually being caught better and maybe a little higher than compared to my favorite thunder 148 lights,

The stage 10 have this solid control feel to them, they just lack that deep crazy turn on stage 11 but I really don’t see it as a big deal, also I’m sure the bones bushing craze came from them mainly being used in stage 10’s cause they felt crazy good and stable compared to bones mediums in stage 11 139 and 149 that I have tried

I’m gonna be so sad the day these stage 10’s are done

Also I got the madness from watching some old Levi brown footage and about the stage 10 149’s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 02, 2018, 10:40:08 AM
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Went with Thunder Team hollow 149s instead of Ace 44s. The Aces was just either too much truck or too little truck for 8.5s

Im riding them stock bushings but the top one cut in half with only bottom washer
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How did you chop the top bushing with (and how without losing fingers)? I set up my thunders today (thunder OG bottom with a bones thin washer) and    stopped there knowing I need a low top or chop the one I have.
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At home I took an old deck and started sanding the bushing down with the grip tape. If I was at my work shop I have clamps benches and saws.
Actually I sanded alittle more so I can fit the top washer and have my kingpin bolt flush with some wobble.



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Got it! Just needed to find a deck with regular MOB on it; knocked it out in a few min, might have gone too low, we'll see.

Took a break from my Theeves and put the Thunders on a different set-up...pretty impressed with the stock bottom and sanded down top...I did sand them down a bit too much and have to go passed my usually OCD of flush nuts, but whatever. They felt super carvey this loose without being too wobbly, felt a bit unstable at center, but coming off of theeves almost anything will, something I could never dial in because of how short the kingpins are and how tall the bottom bushing is as that combo didn't leave much room to get them loose enough for how I like my trucks (with bones softs they were too loose).

Will go back to theeves tho, too much wheel bite on the thunders on tranny with 53s, just need to find the right bushings on theeves as the Khiros flattened out really fast and my trucks were wobbly as shit off the ground, click clakity wobbly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on March 02, 2018, 01:35:56 PM
I'm starting to settle into Indys for bigger decks and thunders for smaller setups. I've got an 8.2 and .25 with 148/149 thunders and two 8.6s with 149/159 indys. The height and turn of stage 11s suits bigger wheels too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on March 02, 2018, 01:51:04 PM
Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on March 02, 2018, 01:35:56 PM
I'm starting to settle into Indys for bigger decks and thunders for smaller setups. I've got an 8.2 and .25 with 148/149 thunders and two 8.6s with 149/159 indys. The height and turn of stage 11s suits bigger wheels too.

Honestly makes sense. Indys shrink WB and bigger boards tend to have a larger WB. As for the wheel clearance you definitely feel it. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 02, 2018, 09:20:02 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on March 02, 2018, 01:51:04 PM
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I'm starting to settle into Indys for bigger decks and thunders for smaller setups. I've got an 8.2 and .25 with 148/149 thunders and two 8.6s with 149/159 indys. The height and turn of stage 11s suits bigger wheels too.
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Honestly makes sense. Indys shrink WB and bigger boards tend to have a larger WB. As for the wheel clearance you definitely feel it.

Oh yeah!! I think that’s why I prefer my stage 10’s also, they shrink the wheelbase on this krazy krooked 8.1 with a 14.4 wheelbase

The thunder 148 were nice and quick and have this pop to them but the Indy’s have just a more solid feel, like a reliable solid feel that gives me more confidence in my feel for tricks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on March 03, 2018, 05:14:53 AM
Tempted to give Venture hi 5.8 raw polished a try. Brings me back to my first set of trucks. Since venture been on dlx have they fixed the kingpin/baseplate breaking issue?

https://instagram.com/p/BfrXgXgBcHa/

Kinda torn between the polished one or the regular raw with red logo

https://instagram.com/p/BfGoVhxh-KD/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 03, 2018, 12:02:46 PM
I’ve never skated Ventures before. I noticed Matt Field still skates them after being on Ace’s and Thunders in the past. Do Ventures have a good snappy quick turn? Or should I not kid myself and stick with Ace’s still?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on March 03, 2018, 12:39:44 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 03, 2018, 12:02:46 PM
I’ve never skated Ventures before. I noticed Matt Field still skates them after being on Ace’s and Thunders in the past. Do Ventures have a good snappy quick turn? Or should I not kid myself and stick with Ace’s still?

Compared to Aces Ventures don’t turn at all pretty much.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on March 03, 2018, 02:48:07 PM
Just got the raw polished. They do turn but not in a way Indy turns since they stretch the wheelbase abit further out. Ventures turns straight while indy is curvy. I sanded the top bushing in half and I like that the board wobbles around while feeling very stable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on March 03, 2018, 09:14:49 PM
Quote from: nosneb on March 03, 2018, 02:48:07 PM
Just got the raw polished. They do turn but not in a way Indy turns since they stretch the wheelbase abit further out. Ventures turns straight while indy is curvy. I sanded the top bushing in half and I like that the board wobbles around while feeling very stable.
Did they come with silver or gold hardware? I ordered a set thinking they would have the silver hardware and nope, still gold, even though the pic said otherwise.  I hated it when they switched to gold and I was stoked when I saw the new raws with all silver.  Now if only they'd go back to green or blue bushings...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 04, 2018, 06:53:09 AM
The highs would probably be a bit different....maybe a deeper turning radius but arguably a venture is the opposite of an ACE.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on March 04, 2018, 08:19:56 AM
Ventures do not turn anything like Ace but it’s like a slower version of Thunder. Man these trucks grind feels so good. It’s a perfect street truck. On transition it’s deff not as carvy as Indy or Ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 04, 2018, 10:43:19 AM
Quote from: nosneb on March 04, 2018, 08:19:56 AM
Ventures do not turn anything like Ace but it’s like a slower version of Thunder. Man these trucks grind feels so good. It’s a perfect street truck. On transition it’s deff not as carvy as Indy or Ace.

I compare Ventures to Toyota’s in the sense that their turn style may seem somewhat “bland” compared something like surfy Aces or sharp-turning Thunders, but its super reliable and well rounded for all situations. I don’t like how thunders feel in transition and probably vice versa with some Aces and tech skating but ventures can reliably do both.

And yeah that hanger does grind like a beast

https://instagram.com/p/Bf4TGQohPiI/


I’m not gonna hype them up too much tho or ima get tempted to skate my 5.8 V-Hollow Lights once again. The madness never stops
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on March 04, 2018, 10:56:11 AM
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Just got the raw polished. They do turn but not in a way Indy turns since they stretch the wheelbase abit further out. Ventures turns straight while indy is curvy. I sanded the top bushing in half and I like that the board wobbles around while feeling very stable.
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Did they come with silver or gold hardware? I ordered a set thinking they would have the silver hardware and nope, still gold, even though the pic said otherwise.  I hated it when they switched to gold and I was stoked when I saw the new raws with all silver.  Now if only they'd go back to green or blue bushings...

You can get deluxe supercush bushings in green still
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on March 04, 2018, 11:18:13 AM
I've been trying to break in a set of Indys for 2 weeks, tightening/loosening etc. Last night I put in a new set of Thunder 147s .. no tightening and skating was perfection. Part of me feels like I keep trying Indys in hopes of recapturing that stage 7 magic and it just isn't working. Also, I still love Ventures too. I find the Venture lo 5.25 and Thunder 147 hi to be very similar. Not in the ride itself but the technical aspects (I mean , tricks feel very similar)) to me on both). Thunders definitely have a looser turn that is fun but Ventures have a nice stability on landings. So I guess for now I'm going back n forth between Venture and Thunder
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on March 04, 2018, 11:23:11 AM
Also my set came with gold washers and purple bushings which i dont mind at all, it looks kinda bling.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 04, 2018, 12:01:03 PM
Quote from: fang on March 04, 2018, 11:18:13 AM
I've been trying to break in a set of Indys for 2 weeks, tightening/loosening etc. Last night I put in a new set of Thunder 147s .. no tightening and skating was perfection. Part of me feels like I keep trying Indys in hopes of recapturing that stage 7 magic and it just isn't working. Also, I still love Ventures too. I find the Venture lo 5.25 and Thunder 147 hi to be very similar. Not in the ride itself but the technical aspects (I mean , tricks feel very similar)) to me on both). Thunders definitely have a looser turn that is fun but Ventures have a nice stability on landings. So I guess for now I'm going back n forth between Venture and Thunder

Must be stage 11, I love them but can never get them just right. They’re either too loose and no stability or too tight and barely any carve

The stage 10 with bones mediums is doing very nicely for me, but hearing your 147 joy I might switch it back down cause I’ve been on my 148 for the last month or 2 then recently a week ago wanted to see how it was when haslam and Levi brown were riding stg10 149 when they were busting out videos riding these baby’s doing the craziest tricks

147 hi thunders are in the top 3 overall best trucks Forsure though, besides being in my top 3

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on March 04, 2018, 12:22:45 PM
Quote from: rob on March 04, 2018, 12:01:03 PM
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I've been trying to break in a set of Indys for 2 weeks, tightening/loosening etc. Last night I put in a new set of Thunder 147s .. no tightening and skating was perfection. Part of me feels like I keep trying Indys in hopes of recapturing that stage 7 magic and it just isn't working. Also, I still love Ventures too. I find the Venture lo 5.25 and Thunder 147 hi to be very similar. Not in the ride itself but the technical aspects (I mean , tricks feel very similar)) to me on both). Thunders definitely have a looser turn that is fun but Ventures have a nice stability on landings. So I guess for now I'm going back n forth between Venture and Thunder
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Must be stage 11, I love them but can never get them just right. They’re either too loose and no stability or too tight and barely any carve

The stage 10 with bones mediums is doing very nicely for me, but hearing your 147 joy I might switch it back down cause I’ve been on my 148 for the last month or 2 then recently a week ago wanted to see how it was when haslam and Levi brown were riding stg10 149 when they were busting out videos riding these baby’s doing the craziest tricks

147 hi thunders are in the top 3 overall best trucks Forsure though, besides being in my top 3

Yeah they're stage 11. And like you said: either too lose/ no stability or too tight and no carve. I have a set of each of the big 3 on standby for the madness but I'm getting bummed on stage 11. Just can't find the sweet spot. I am my most comfortable on Ventures but there is something awesome about the 147s that is hard to describe. The quick reaction turns are nice. Then what I like about ventures is the oppsite: those stable landings. But the pop and flip ability feels virtually the same to me. My stage 11 kickflips felt mega sluggish. I dunno what size decks you use but I'm 8 or 8.125 so I haven't done wider since like 91 or 92
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on March 04, 2018, 12:29:15 PM
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Just got the raw polished. They do turn but not in a way Indy turns since they stretch the wheelbase abit further out. Ventures turns straight while indy is curvy. I sanded the top bushing in half and I like that the board wobbles around while feeling very stable.
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Did they come with silver or gold hardware? I ordered a set thinking they would have the silver hardware and nope, still gold, even though the pic said otherwise.  I hated it when they switched to gold and I was stoked when I saw the new raws with all silver.  Now if only they'd go back to green or blue bushings...
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You can get deluxe supercush bushings in green still
Yeah I tried them a while back for nostalgia sake, they're really hard, forgot the duro but it was rough. They're green but they're not featherlite green.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on March 04, 2018, 01:11:12 PM
the stock white thunder bushings are 90's right? not having an easy time trying to find replacements, which I dont quite need yet but want to have on deck for when i do, any suggestions?

edit: found some and they are 90
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on March 04, 2018, 01:22:09 PM
Quote from: Sad Hippo on March 04, 2018, 12:29:15 PM
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Just got the raw polished. They do turn but not in a way Indy turns since they stretch the wheelbase abit further out. Ventures turns straight while indy is curvy. I sanded the top bushing in half and I like that the board wobbles around while feeling very stable.
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Did they come with silver or gold hardware? I ordered a set thinking they would have the silver hardware and nope, still gold, even though the pic said otherwise.  I hated it when they switched to gold and I was stoked when I saw the new raws with all silver.  Now if only they'd go back to green or blue bushings...
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You can get deluxe supercush bushings in green still
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Yeah I tried them a while back for nostalgia sake, they're really hard, forgot the duro but it was rough. They're green but they're not featherlite green.

True. I have a pair of featherlites that have the green. Probably will use again. Need a decent football shape deck for them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on March 04, 2018, 01:25:19 PM
Quote from: fang on March 04, 2018, 12:22:45 PM
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I've been trying to break in a set of Indys for 2 weeks, tightening/loosening etc. Last night I put in a new set of Thunder 147s .. no tightening and skating was perfection. Part of me feels like I keep trying Indys in hopes of recapturing that stage 7 magic and it just isn't working. Also, I still love Ventures too. I find the Venture lo 5.25 and Thunder 147 hi to be very similar. Not in the ride itself but the technical aspects (I mean , tricks feel very similar)) to me on both). Thunders definitely have a looser turn that is fun but Ventures have a nice stability on landings. So I guess for now I'm going back n forth between Venture and Thunder
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Must be stage 11, I love them but can never get them just right. They’re either too loose and no stability or too tight and barely any carve

The stage 10 with bones mediums is doing very nicely for me, but hearing your 147 joy I might switch it back down cause I’ve been on my 148 for the last month or 2 then recently a week ago wanted to see how it was when haslam and Levi brown were riding stg10 149 when they were busting out videos riding these baby’s doing the craziest tricks

147 hi thunders are in the top 3 overall best trucks Forsure though, besides being in my top 3
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Yeah they're stage 11. And like you said: either too lose/ no stability or too tight and no carve. I have a set of each of the big 3 on standby for the madness but I'm getting bummed on stage 11. Just can't find the sweet spot. I am my most comfortable on Ventures but there is something awesome about the 147s that is hard to describe. The quick reaction turns are nice. Then what I like about ventures is the oppsite: those stable landings. But the pop and flip ability feels virtually the same to me. My stage 11 kickflips felt mega sluggish. I dunno what size decks you use but I'm 8 or 8.125 so I haven't done wider since like 91 or 92


I got a pair of the blue hollow stage 11 Indys with the white bushings and they randomly broke in and got really squeaky a few months down the line. Maybe they might just need some more breaking in?

*Edit: Wrote reply in the wrong space
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: eranka on March 04, 2018, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: rob on March 01, 2018, 11:19:32 PM
The madness came back and I had to kill my curiosity with my stage 10 149’s cause stop lying to yourselves the stage 11 no matter what size stage 11 feel tipsy with that 55mm height plus your 53mm-55mm wheels cause 52mm and under are for wussies that only skate flat

The stage 10 149 standards feel so goood!

Stage 12 should definitely take a dial back and be that 53.5mm height on standard casts, my kickflips were actually being caught better and maybe a little higher than compared to my favorite thunder 148 lights,

The stage 10 have this solid control feel to them, they just lack that deep crazy turn on stage 11 but I really don’t see it as a big deal, also I’m sure the bones bushing craze came from them mainly being used in stage 10’s cause they felt crazy good and stable compared to bones mediums in stage 11 139 and 149 that I have tried

I’m gonna be so sad the day these stage 10’s are done

Also I got the madness from watching some old Levi brown footage and about the stage 10 149’s
A 100%. Loved my stage 10 with bones mediums. best trucks ive ever had.
Ever since switching to 11s all ive been experiencing is worn pivot cups, shredded Bones bushings and that tipsy turning youve mentioned. On the set im skating right now ive lubricated the pivot cups before skating it, used indy replacement bushings and thought i would be ok but after 3 months of skating them the axle started slipping. im on my 4th of 5th set of shitty indys.
I dont like thunders, broke a few ventures and nowhere to buy Ace\Theeve\Whatever anywhere close so im being held hostage with these shitty stage 11s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on March 04, 2018, 04:09:07 PM
Bring back the stage 10!!! I have a old set of those and deff feels different than my stage 11s
I re learned pressure flips with how loose my trucks are I can do em with ventures hehe
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cthulhu! on March 04, 2018, 04:44:23 PM
Stage 10s had the stock conical bushings on the bottom right? Was that older conical geometry why Bones worked so well? Am I confusing these with stage 9s? I wish I had an old set around.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on March 04, 2018, 05:12:55 PM
Stage 9 was the conical, 10 ,11 uses the barrel. I always swap mine out for aftermarket conicals.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on March 04, 2018, 05:28:57 PM
I just don't understand how people can tailslide with thunders. Already annoyed with my 1 month old 147s because I pretty much lost all my nose/tails slides. The baseplates never make contact with the ledge, and if the ledge isn't waxed to hell my wheels catch and I just stop. I'm thinking about finally getting some ace 33s with my tax return money.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on March 04, 2018, 08:07:33 PM
Go faster?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on March 04, 2018, 08:35:23 PM
I have been thinking about trying Thunders, but all this talk about noseslide issues has changed my mind. Right now I am on 139 stage 9 for my 8” and 149 stage 11 on my 8.5”. I am hearing a lot of talk about Bones medium bushings, but I am wondering what makes them better than after market Indy’s? In the summer Indy bushings seem fine, but they squeak when the temp gets under, say, 50 F. Is that the issue? Would Bones Medium bushings take my truck game to the next level? BTW—I think I like the turn on the Stage 9 better but the different axel sizes does not allow for a true apples to apples.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 04, 2018, 11:33:41 PM
Quote from: fang on March 04, 2018, 12:22:45 PM
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I've been trying to break in a set of Indys for 2 weeks, tightening/loosening etc. Last night I put in a new set of Thunder 147s .. no tightening and skating was perfection. Part of me feels like I keep trying Indys in hopes of recapturing that stage 7 magic and it just isn't working. Also, I still love Ventures too. I find the Venture lo 5.25 and Thunder 147 hi to be very similar. Not in the ride itself but the technical aspects (I mean , tricks feel very similar)) to me on both). Thunders definitely have a looser turn that is fun but Ventures have a nice stability on landings. So I guess for now I'm going back n forth between Venture and Thunder
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Must be stage 11, I love them but can never get them just right. They’re either too loose and no stability or too tight and barely any carve

The stage 10 with bones mediums is doing very nicely for me, but hearing your 147 joy I might switch it back down cause I’ve been on my 148 for the last month or 2 then recently a week ago wanted to see how it was when haslam and Levi brown were riding stg10 149 when they were busting out videos riding these baby’s doing the craziest tricks

147 hi thunders are in the top 3 overall best trucks Forsure though, besides being in my top 3
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Yeah they're stage 11. And like you said: either too lose/ no stability or too tight and no carve. I have a set of each of the big 3 on standby for the madness but I'm getting bummed on stage 11. Just can't find the sweet spot. I am my most comfortable on Ventures but there is something awesome about the 147s that is hard to describe. The quick reaction turns are nice. Then what I like about ventures is the oppsite: those stable landings. But the pop and flip ability feels virtually the same to me. My stage 11 kickflips felt mega sluggish. I dunno what size decks you use but I'm 8 or 8.125 so I haven't done wider since like 91 or 92

Same here, 8-8.13 cause anything bigger gets too hefty and my flat ground gets inconsistent

Yeah the quickness and the way 147 pop feels so responsive, I feel they’re the no.1 street trucks if your the core street tech skater riding decks 7.8-8.1, they have just enough clearance so you can actually turn some but low enough to get a quick pop

Quote from: nosneb on March 04, 2018, 05:12:55 PM
Stage 9 was the conical, 10 ,11 uses the barrel. I always swap mine out for aftermarket conicals.

Actually stage 10 had the conical stock, stage 11 did the barrel cause of how tall and unstable they are ahaha

Quote from: Cthulhu! on March 04, 2018, 04:44:23 PM
Stage 10s had the stock conical bushings on the bottom right? Was that older conical geometry why Bones worked so well? Am I confusing these with stage 9s? I wish I had an old set around.

I feel that’s why bones bushings work best in stage 10 and made stage 10 with bones bushings the most popular setup that got everyone to get bones and throw them in and try , stage 11 are just too tall for conicals unless you really like that looseness

Quote from: eranka on March 04, 2018, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: rob on March 01, 2018, 11:19:32 PM
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The madness came back and I had to kill my curiosity with my stage 10 149’s cause stop lying to yourselves the stage 11 no matter what size stage 11 feel tipsy with that 55mm height plus your 53mm-55mm wheels cause 52mm and under are for wussies that only skate flat

The stage 10 149 standards feel so goood!

Stage 12 should definitely take a dial back and be that 53.5mm height on standard casts, my kickflips were actually being caught better and maybe a little higher than compared to my favorite thunder 148 lights,

The stage 10 have this solid control feel to them, they just lack that deep crazy turn on stage 11 but I really don’t see it as a big deal, also I’m sure the bones bushing craze came from them mainly being used in stage 10’s cause they felt crazy good and stable compared to bones mediums in stage 11 139 and 149 that I have tried

I’m gonna be so sad the day these stage 10’s are done

Also I got the madness from watching some old Levi brown footage and about the stage 10 149’s
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A 100%. Loved my stage 10 with bones mediums. best trucks ive ever had.
Ever since switching to 11s all ive been experiencing is worn pivot cups, shredded Bones bushings and that tipsy turning youve mentioned. On the set im skating right now ive lubricated the pivot cups before skating it, used indy replacement bushings and thought i would be ok but after 3 months of skating them the axle started slipping. im on my 4th of 5th set of shitty indys.
I dont like thunders, broke a few ventures and nowhere to buy Ace\Theeve\Whatever anywhere close so im being held hostage with these shitty stage 11s.


Hopefully that post N.L. Posted back a few months where the guy who works on Indy was being interviewed is true mentioning that they’re working on a lower standard Indy, a mid I think it was saying

It’d be cool though, replace the now out of production Indy low and bring back the stage 10 height standard as the Indy mid and keep the Indy high for those that actually like the deep tipsy turns so everyone’s happy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Horsemeat on March 04, 2018, 11:39:47 PM
Is this nose/tail slide thing on thunders real, or just madness? Seems like it’s really only an issue on perfectly square ledges. People slide blunts fine on all trucks and that’s entirely wheels. I suck at all those tricks so don’t really know haha  :-\
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on March 05, 2018, 12:35:27 AM
Quote from: Horsemeat on March 04, 2018, 11:39:47 PM
Is this nose/tail slide thing on thunders real, or just madness? Seems like it’s really only an issue on perfectly square ledges. People slide blunts fine on all trucks and that’s entirely wheels. I suck at all those tricks so don’t really know haha  :-\

Thats why blunts are considered harder... if trucks make a nose/tailslide as hard to slide as a bluntslide then there is clearly a problem. That being said, I never noticed any problems on my thunders until others pointed it out. None of the people I know who skate thunders have any problems either. Though side by side it may well make a difference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on March 05, 2018, 12:24:51 PM
I rode Thunder 149’s for the last few years, a few months ago I hooked up some Venture 5.8 Hi’s. They are so much more stable and still turn well, after replacing the bushings with Indy white super soft, they are great. No risers needed with the Ventures unlike the Thunders where I have to ride 1/8” riders with 54mm wheels.

I had both boards in the car yesterday, rode Ventures all morning after lunch I thought about skating the Thunders, rolled around the parking lot for a few minutes on it and then grabbed the board with Ventures again. After feeling the difference and thinking about the nose/tailslide issues, it was a no brainer. The Ventures just feel better to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yatallfreak on March 05, 2018, 12:45:05 PM
Earlier someone mentioned putting indy conicals in ventures and I'm wondering in what ways it changes the way your ventures ride. I'm mainly just wondering if it takes away from those stable landings you get on ventures
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 05, 2018, 02:13:28 PM
I have some NOS stainless steel Gullwing inverted kingpins 55mm in length brand new. If anyone wants to buy them DM me. I didn’t make a new thread in the classifieds cause I doubt anyone outside of this thread would buy them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on March 05, 2018, 04:07:42 PM
Dang you guys got me feeling good about my Stage 10s I have sitting around.  I had just been using them to pry bearings out of wheels, but I think I'll set them up for tomorrow.

My stage 10s are 10.0 though, not 10.5.  I believe the 10.0 have just the iron cross on the baseplate, and on the 10.5s they have the cross with an outline around it.

Link related

https://www.skateamerica.com/products/independent-159-stage-10-5-forged-titanium-standard-silver-silver-156mm-skateboard-trucks?variant=998319415

And I think these are stage 10 too because all their other Indys are listed as Stage 11

https://www.skateamerica.com/products/independent-149-stage-11-polished-forged-titanium-standard-silver-silver-150mm-skateboard-trucks?variant=998319915
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on March 05, 2018, 04:38:50 PM
Quote from: yatallfreak on March 05, 2018, 12:45:05 PM
Earlier someone mentioned putting indy conicals in ventures and I'm wondering in what ways it changes the way your ventures ride. I'm mainly just wondering if it takes away from those stable landings you get on ventures

My Indy aftermarket are cylinder not conical, the super soft only come that way.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 05, 2018, 05:26:59 PM
Quote from: full of jerks on March 05, 2018, 04:07:42 PM
Dang you guys got me feeling good about my Stage 10s I have sitting around.  I had just been using them to pry bearings out of wheels, but I think I'll set them up for tomorrow.

My stage 10s are 10.0 though, not 10.5.  I believe the 10.0 have just the iron cross on the baseplate, and on the 10.5s they have the cross with an outline around it.

Link related

https://www.skateamerica.com/products/independent-159-stage-10-5-forged-titanium-standard-silver-silver-156mm-skateboard-trucks?variant=998319415

And I think these are stage 10 too because all their other Indys are listed as Stage 11

https://www.skateamerica.com/products/independent-149-stage-11-polished-forged-titanium-standard-silver-silver-150mm-skateboard-trucks?variant=998319915

Yeah pal, these stage 10 149 standards I’m riding on for the last week straight have been crazy amazing! I luckily had a complete stock bushing set from some stage 10 139 I regretfully sold but kept the bushings and now using them in the 149 and damn the trucks feel amazing, not exaggerating they feel like a less wobbly and just a tad lower ace

Indy should definitely bring back a revamped stage 10, basically a stage 11 standard but 53.5 height gravity cast truck

The turning response with the stock stage 10 conicals respond almost as fast as thunder but actually carve deeper and feel great

I noticed too the kingpin clearance is good,  I’d say like a thunder 147 amount
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on March 05, 2018, 05:34:14 PM
Can stage 11 hangers be used on stage 9 base plates or is the geometry fooked? I want to lighten up my 149 trucks. Also, what does boiling cushions do? Break down the urethane and allow for more squish and less squeak? My trucks be squeaking bad at 45 F.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on March 05, 2018, 06:38:49 PM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on March 05, 2018, 05:34:14 PM
Can stage 11 hangers be used on stage 9 base plates or is the geometry fooked? I want to lighten up my 149 trucks. Also, what does boiling cushions do? Break down the urethane and allow for more squish and less squeak? My trucks be squeaking bad at 45 F.

Have you tried coating some parts in paraffin wax? That usually cures 99% of creaks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on March 06, 2018, 01:29:24 AM
Thanks. Will try waxing my bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on March 06, 2018, 05:44:55 AM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on March 06, 2018, 01:29:24 AM
Thanks. Will try waxing my bushings.

Don't forget the pivot cups, kid
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on March 06, 2018, 01:03:02 PM
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Thanks. Will try waxing my bushings.
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Don't forget the pivot cups, kid
This.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 06, 2018, 03:26:51 PM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on March 05, 2018, 05:34:14 PM
Can stage 11 hangers be used on stage 9 base plates or is the geometry fooked? I want to lighten up my 149 trucks.

My guess is they will work but who knows what they will turn like.

Quote from: GardenSkater77 on March 05, 2018, 05:34:14 PM
Also, what does boiling cushions do? Break down the urethane and allow for more squish and less squeak?


It supposedly makes them softer (less break in time if they are new); I've never noticed a difference after doing it.

Quote from: GardenSkater77 on March 05, 2018, 05:34:14 PM
My trucks be squeaking bad at 45 F.

Put some wax or soap chips in your pivot cups.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: danjtony on March 06, 2018, 04:42:42 PM
I rode stage 9 hangers on stage 11 baseplates for over a year and I thought they felt normal, but idk, if you're posting in this thread then any percieved difference could make you lose your damn mind.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 06, 2018, 07:10:30 PM
Anyone know how tall 149 & 151 thunders are with the FORGED plates? I don’t think Tactics’ table is correct, they list the height of the cast plate ones even when you click on the forged trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on March 06, 2018, 10:56:51 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 06, 2018, 07:10:30 PM
Anyone know how tall 149 & 151 thunders are with the FORGED plates? I don’t think Tactics’ table is correct, they list the height of the cast plate ones even when you click on the forged trucks.
Isn't the difference usually 1.5mm? Just take the cast list height and subtract 1.5, shouldn't be far off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on March 06, 2018, 11:19:48 PM
I know it's been asked before but if I switch from 169s should I go for 55 or 66?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on March 06, 2018, 11:58:32 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on March 06, 2018, 11:19:48 PM
I know it's been asked before but if I switch from 169s should I go for 55 or 66?

Probably 66s. 55s are about 9 inches wide(some say just under), whereas 66s are like 9.35 inches wide. I believe 169s are 9.125. It depends more on your board size, go with the one thats closer to your board size.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on March 07, 2018, 12:22:57 AM
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I know it's been asked before but if I switch from 169s should I go for 55 or 66?
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Probably 66s. 55s are about 9 inches wide(some say just under), whereas 66s are like 9.35 inches wide. I believe 169s are 9.125. It depends more on your board size, go with the one thats closer to your board size.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 08, 2018, 06:37:54 PM
Okay so the madness was getting to me and I had to try my 148 again and here’s me verdict

If you missed the stage 10 you can have it in either the form of

Thunder 148 standard/team models: has the quick turn and solid stable feel of stage 10 149 Indy but not as deep on carve and turn but very solid feel

Ace 44: same deep carve and about as fast too, but not as stable feeling and not as solid feeling either

So yeah, if you missed the Indy 149 stage 10 those are close matches
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 08, 2018, 06:46:15 PM
you know rob, I never would have guessed that you'd get the madness again ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 08, 2018, 08:44:32 PM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on March 08, 2018, 06:46:15 PM
you know rob, I never would have guessed that you'd get the madness again ;)

Haha I never thought either riding the same deck for the last 3-4 months and then finally sticking to the 148 for id say a month straight then idk, I thought about how I transitioned from 147 to 148, and all you psychos know that’s a significant jump from 8-8.25 wide and 50mm-53.?mm tall which I account to finding out I like my shoes snug and wearing shoes that fit better having more control

But yeah with more control I decided hey Indy’s are badass punk trucks that were the same height as my thunder 148 on my stage 10 and a bit wider at the old 149 width being around 8.3? Wide actually not 8.5 and man was it a transition in boardfeel

The Indy’s felt so classic sturdy stable turny trucks, it felt almost reliving the old days of small decks and solid trucks with no gimmicks just riding what you liked or thought was cool and the trucks just worked

I noticed haslam rode the stg 10 149 for a while even when the 11’s were out, I’m sure it’s cause he felt the tipping some of us feel
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 08, 2018, 08:52:42 PM
hey mate, whatever floats your boat.
I'm actually glad I took your advice when I was asking for a no fuss/ ready to roll truck even though a few of you have recently gotten me paranoid with the "thunder trucks don't noseslide properly" propaganda.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 08, 2018, 09:08:14 PM
Anyone here ever had a set of Indy LOW bushings and notice a difference in height on the TOP bushing compared to the standard size? Was wondering if they’d work well in some Ace’s at making them even more loose and wobbly than a standard Indy bushing or the shorter Krux top.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 08, 2018, 09:29:03 PM
What bushing combos have some of you guys been using for Ventures? 

I’ve skated these discontinued 5.8 V-Hollow Lights on & off throughout the madness for about 4 years now and have committed to finishing them off for good before I skate anything else. They aren’t totally shredded but the stock bushings are old as shit and been thru multiple Arizona summers, I’m sure they can be replaced with something better at this point

I thought about using the Bones bushings from my Theeves but the bottom Conical Bones bushings seem a little short compared to the cylinder stock ones. Looks like it’d throw off the geometry so I’m hesitant to try it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: RumpelFoarskin on March 08, 2018, 09:38:23 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on March 08, 2018, 09:29:03 PM
What bushing combos have some of you guys been using for Ventures? 

I’ve skated these discontinued 5.8 V-Hollow Lights on & off throughout the madness for about 4 years now and have committed to finishing them off for good before I skate anything else. They aren’t totally shredded but the stock bushings are old as shit and been thru multiple Arizona summers, I’m sure they can be replaced with something better at this point

I thought about using the Bones bushings from my Theeves but the bottom Conical Bones bushings seem a little short compared to the cylinder stock ones. Looks like it’d throw off the geometry so I’m hesitant to try it.
Buy bones bushings, use the black washer that comes with them under the bottom bushing and the stock or no washer on top. Works well for me. You can use bones but you need to keep a washer underneath with Ventures to maintain geometry, the stock washer is too wide with the conical shape and will bite into the hangar. If you don’t wanna buy new bushings you can buy washers from any hardware store, but the best solution is to buy a fresh set of bones and use their washer on the bottom.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 08, 2018, 09:40:50 PM
Good chance the bushings in your theeves aren't bones if they came stock....
I think Rob posted in the sale thread......theeves....cheap....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 08, 2018, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 08, 2018, 09:40:50 PM
Good chance the bushings in your theeves aren't bones if they came stock....
I think Rob posted in the sale thread......theeves....cheap....

I have noticed that they don’t highlight it at all in their marketing anymore. They look identical & work great in Theeves but it wouldn’t surprise me if they’re no longer using actual Bones bushings. Might just have to grab a set at the shop before I skate tomorrow
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on March 09, 2018, 07:56:41 AM
edited: post was taken down but someone shopped some indy 215s to 159mm they looked sick af

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: truthislie on March 11, 2018, 04:52:21 AM
I just wanted to set up my new indys 139 Stg 11 and saw that they forgot to drill the holes in them. I reached out to NHS directly, but I am not sure how that works out since I live in Europe. Also these would be my first Indys not made in USA... not saying it´s because of that but it certainly is weird.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on March 11, 2018, 05:59:18 AM
Quote from: truthislie on March 11, 2018, 04:52:21 AM
I just wanted to set up my new indys 139 Stg 11 and saw that they forgot to drill the holes in them. I reached out to NHS directly, but I am not sure how that works out since I live in Europe. Also these would be my first Indys not made in USA... not saying it´s because of that but it certainly is weird.

Holy shit. That does make me wonder about the current and future quality though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on March 11, 2018, 06:12:05 AM
I also decided to deal with my madness, I'm just gonna have 3 setups. One with Indys, one with venture, one with thunder. Although been skating the one with thunders. I haven't tightened them at all and they skate great. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 11, 2018, 03:18:52 PM
Man as soon as I commit to my Ventures, buy new bushings, and replace all the nuts, washers, etc. I find out that I most likely have axel slip in one of the hangers, if not both (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/francis.png)

I had my suspicions already because when I'd put wheels on, it'd seem like there was more axel sticking out of the nut on one side than the other. Today I landed primo, and the wheel one the side that hit the ground was stuck. smacked the axel on the other side, and it loosened up a little. I wanted to ride these shits til they were totally beat so I'm gonna hang in there for a little bit longer unless it gets to be too much. Anyone else rode some trucks like this for a while? It's not too bad right now, but I know its only gonna get worse. I know conical wheels might help the axles avoid contact with the ground but I like what Im riding now
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Horsemeat on March 11, 2018, 09:37:15 PM
Quote from: fang on March 11, 2018, 06:12:05 AM
I also decided to deal with my madness, I'm just gonna have 3 setups. One with Indys, one with venture, one with thunder. Although been skating the one with thunders. I haven't tightened them at all and they skate great.

Just came back in from my garage from doing the same thing. I have three set ups:

Real twin tail 8.38 with ace 44
Krooked 8.25 with thunder 149
Quasi 8.125 with Indy 144 hollows and honest mediums


I keep wanting to just be a non madness person and just skate the Indy’s but they always feel so wobbly to me. I have the thunders and aces setup stock and they both feel so much more stable and turn nicely when I want them to.

Maybe it’s just the axle width but I can’t let myself buy a new pair of trucks for 1/8 inch difference on either side.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on March 12, 2018, 05:59:57 AM
I'd like to just go back to using Indys and not thinking about trucks myself. I know I overanalyze every aspect of it. I believe a lot of it is, I obsess over it all day at work (it's kinda how I get through the boring ness of work), then with the limited time I actually do get to skate, I'm over thinking every feeling/ trick I do. Like 1 weird Ollie:" welp,  these are whack." It had been just Indys vs ventures since stage 9 (I can't emphasize how much I hate those), but a year ago I tried thunders so now they're in there too. I also suppose after having the greatness of Indys from 86-03, it's hard to not want to use them. I'm trying to make myself use the deck with thunders first. When the deck dies, I'll probably go back to my Indys set up .

Speaking of stage 9, I'll never forget getting those in the mail, looking at them and going "what's this shit?". Now keep in mind for years leading up to this , all I'd do is tighten front truck 2 times, back 3 times and be done for lifespan of trucks. Those 9s I dicked around with days on end (I skated way more then) , and they never felt right. It's sort of funny how mad I was about it but seriously, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on March 12, 2018, 01:17:41 PM
I wish I could skate indysbecause that turn is great, but I can't deal with the pop on them.  It's totally just me because guys like tiago and durao have zero issues with pop.  I feel like I have to exert so much more effort in getting up on or over something, where with ventures it just feels natural and less effort to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on March 12, 2018, 03:16:25 PM
Quote from: Sad Hippo on March 12, 2018, 01:17:41 PM
I wish I could skate indysbecause that turn is great, but I can't deal with the pop on them.  It's totally just me because guys like tiago and durao have zero issues with pop.  I feel like I have to exert so much more effort in getting up on or over something, where with ventures it just feels natural and less effort to me.

Venture pop is great. Sheffey, Stevie, Kalis, O'Connor all had mad pop with the V-Force
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 12, 2018, 09:02:50 PM
Quote from: fang on March 12, 2018, 05:59:57 AM
I'd like to just go back to using Indys and not thinking about trucks myself. I know I overanalyze every aspect of it. I believe a lot of it is, I obsess over it all day at work (it's kinda how I get through the boring ness of work), then with the limited time I actually do get to skate, I'm over thinking every feeling/ trick I do. Like 1 weird Ollie:" welp,  these are whack." It had been just Indys vs ventures since stage 9 (I can't emphasize how much I hate those), but a year ago I tried thunders so now they're in there too. I also suppose after having the greatness of Indys from 86-03, it's hard to not want to use them. I'm trying to make myself use the deck with thunders first. When the deck dies, I'll probably go back to my Indys set up .

Speaking of stage 9, I'll never forget getting those in the mail, looking at them and going "what's this shit?". Now keep in mind for years leading up to this , all I'd do is tighten front truck 2 times, back 3 times and be done for lifespan of trucks. Those 9s I dicked around with days on end (I skated way more then) , and they never felt right. It's sort of funny how mad I was about it but seriously, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I fuck around with trucks way too much, and it hurts the skating not using the same setup day in, day out but what I have found is I only fuck with:

Indy, to make them turn sharper
Thunder, to make them carvier
ACE, to make them lighter and a bit more stable - I ride too loose for them to work as designed honeslty

The only truck I don't really fuck with other than throwing in softer bushings? Theeves - so if I can fight off my OCD and not swap them, I should be good ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 13, 2018, 12:38:53 AM
Yeah the madness gets to all of us eventually

I was trying my stage 11 149 just to see the difference to my stage 10 and honestly idk what it was, maybe cause I used the doh doh 92a, and damn they weren’t bad.

I mean still kinda tall cause I had to put more effort into jumping higher and catching my tricks a little on the floppy side but they felt good on the pop, turn and response

Smooth is how I would describe it, not as good to go thunders on the call with proper evened out pop and response but the Indy’s feel very comfortable just, a tad tall so hmmmm

Truthfully all this madness I wanna blame on decks and wheelbase cause I feel the Indy’s are only working In my favor for the first time cause I got them on a deluxe with 14.4 wheelbase so the Indy’s even out that longboard feel, then again it’s really probably whatever trucks can turn and respond the way you like over everything

Idk, literally I kid you all not. The heavy ass Indy 149 were easier to pull out a kick flip with proper catch and land than my thunder 148 on my krooked with the long 14.4 wheel base
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: RumpelFoarskin on March 13, 2018, 01:49:11 AM
Quote from: rob on March 13, 2018, 12:38:53 AM
Yeah the madness gets to all of us eventually

I was trying my stage 11 149 just to see the difference to my stage 10 and honestly idk what it was, maybe cause I used the doh doh 92a, and damn they weren’t bad.

I mean still kinda tall cause I had to put more effort into jumping higher and catching my tricks a little on the floppy side but they felt good on the pop, turn and response

Smooth is how I would describe it, not as good to go thunders on the call with proper evened out pop and response but the Indy’s feel very comfortable just, a tad tall so hmmmm

Truthfully all this madness I wanna blame on decks and wheelbase cause I feel the Indy’s are only working In my favor for the first time cause I got them on a deluxe with 14.4 wheelbase so the Indy’s even out that longboard feel, then again it’s really probably whatever trucks can turn and respond the way you like over everything

Idk, literally I kid you all not. The heavy ass Indy 149 were easier to pull out a kick flip with proper catch and land than my thunder 148 on my krooked with the long 14.4 wheel base
This is it, the final post for my study. Since July of 2016 I have been compiling a list of all your opinions and truck insights. Basically your faviourite truck and why at said given date you posted. Also a separate graph with your pros and cons of each truck brand, and the period of time between postings (how long you stick with your decisions to use your “faviourite” truck). There seem to be some trends and my final consensus simply put is rob likes whatever rob isn’t using currently, but there’s a few more insights that’s a simplified version. It might actually provide some sense in terms of skateboarding trucks and their performance based off of what you have observed. I have a friend who is a Cognitive psychotherapist writing a paper on Rational Emotive Behaviour Therapy that I don’t understand at all, but he has gone over all your insights and made a report on your personality and behaviours, that you can evaluate to see how far off it is.  Obviously it might not be 100 percent accurate as there’s some details he can’t extrapolate from just this aspect of your life (personalities are complex). I’ll be posting my report to you soon and you can decide wether or not you are comfortable with me posting it in this thread. I feel I now have enough information.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beatifk on March 13, 2018, 03:19:31 AM
Quote from: clamy on March 13, 2018, 02:28:28 AM
Here's an idea... find a set of trucks you like (don't worry if they're not Indy), keep them stock and keep them on. You might just adjust to them. It's really that simple.

Yeah, I wonder, how many people would be doing all these mods if this thread didn't exist? Honestly?

I've skated for 30+ years and never heard of such effort to get some holy grail truck. I have changed some bushings out over the years here and there but only if they were gifted to me by the shop guy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on March 13, 2018, 05:52:36 AM
Ditched my forged hollow thunders (that I couldn't nose/tailslide with to save my life) for some polished 5.25 Venture Highs. I slapped on some indy super soft aftermarket bushings and it's magical. They have a great surfy turn and I can't get them to wheelbite even if I try. Also the baseplates actually make contact with ledges so I can nose/tailslide again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on March 13, 2018, 06:44:16 AM
The geometry of the turn is enough to warrant curiosity for me. I wondered what made my fury trucks different from my tensors back in the day. Now I have found Valhalla.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on March 13, 2018, 08:51:04 AM
Quote from: RumpelFoarskin on March 13, 2018, 01:49:11 AM
Quote from: rob on March 13, 2018, 12:38:53 AM
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Yeah the madness gets to all of us eventually

I was trying my stage 11 149 just to see the difference to my stage 10 and honestly idk what it was, maybe cause I used the doh doh 92a, and damn they weren’t bad.

I mean still kinda tall cause I had to put more effort into jumping higher and catching my tricks a little on the floppy side but they felt good on the pop, turn and response

Smooth is how I would describe it, not as good to go thunders on the call with proper evened out pop and response but the Indy’s feel very comfortable just, a tad tall so hmmmm

Truthfully all this madness I wanna blame on decks and wheelbase cause I feel the Indy’s are only working In my favor for the first time cause I got them on a deluxe with 14.4 wheelbase so the Indy’s even out that longboard feel, then again it’s really probably whatever trucks can turn and respond the way you like over everything

Idk, literally I kid you all not. The heavy ass Indy 149 were easier to pull out a kick flip with proper catch and land than my thunder 148 on my krooked with the long 14.4 wheel base
[close]
This is it, the final post for my study. Since July of 2016 I have been compiling a list of all your opinions and truck insights. Basically your faviourite truck and why at said given date you posted. Also a separate graph with your pros and cons of each truck brand, and the period of time between postings (how long you stick with your decisions to use your “faviourite” truck). There seem to be some trends and my final consensus simply put is rob likes whatever rob isn’t using currently, but there’s a few more insights that’s a simplified version. It might actually provide some sense in terms of skateboarding trucks and their performance based off of what you have observed. I have a friend who is a Cognitive psychotherapist writing a paper on Rational Emotive Behaviour Therapy that I don’t understand at all, but he has gone over all your insights and made a report on your personality and behaviours, that you can evaluate to see how far off it is.  Obviously it might not be 100 percent accurate as there’s some details he can’t extrapolate from just this aspect of your life (personalities are complex). I’ll be posting my report to you soon and you can decide wether or not you are comfortable with me posting it in this thread. I feel I now have enough information.
/end thread
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on March 13, 2018, 08:59:38 AM
Quote from: clamy on March 13, 2018, 02:28:28 AM
Here's an idea... find a set of trucks you like (don't worry if they're not Indy), keep them stock and keep them on. You might just adjust to them. It's really that simple.

However, Rob you are beyond help.

Yes! And consider all trucks get better and better as they age. Continuous switching out will fuck you up.  Grind turn, repeat over and over. Just before they die, you'll have your perfect truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 13, 2018, 10:04:46 AM
Quote from: clamy on March 13, 2018, 02:28:28 AM
Here's an idea... find a set of trucks you like (don't worry if they're not Indy), keep them stock and keep them on. You might just adjust to them. It's really that simple.

However, Rob you are beyond help.

Theeves are about the only truck I can do this with. That being said, it’s way easier to get hyped on all the Venture & Thunder riders/marketing in comparison, so after a while you always get that pull to try the gear your favorites are skating. Plus I can’t even buy Theeves locally either and we got a nice bunch of shops where I live, so always fear that i might get stuck on them and not be able to get replacements at some point.

What’s crazy is that they actually had a pretty stacked team years ago. Ryan Gallant, Tony & Riley Hawk, a prime Dan Murphy...I imagine it’s hard to compete in the truck game when you can’t sell soft goods nearly as well as the other big three & your distribution isn’t as big. Seems like the company is staying afloat mostly through their Aussie & Asian markets.

I’m “probably” gonna end up skating mine again soon tho if the axle slip in my old ass Ventures gets worse
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on March 13, 2018, 11:16:38 AM
Quote from: RumpelFoarskin on March 13, 2018, 01:49:11 AM
Quote from: rob on March 13, 2018, 12:38:53 AM
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Yeah the madness gets to all of us eventually

I was trying my stage 11 149 just to see the difference to my stage 10 and honestly idk what it was, maybe cause I used the doh doh 92a, and damn they weren’t bad.

I mean still kinda tall cause I had to put more effort into jumping higher and catching my tricks a little on the floppy side but they felt good on the pop, turn and response

Smooth is how I would describe it, not as good to go thunders on the call with proper evened out pop and response but the Indy’s feel very comfortable just, a tad tall so hmmmm

Truthfully all this madness I wanna blame on decks and wheelbase cause I feel the Indy’s are only working In my favor for the first time cause I got them on a deluxe with 14.4 wheelbase so the Indy’s even out that longboard feel, then again it’s really probably whatever trucks can turn and respond the way you like over everything

Idk, literally I kid you all not. The heavy ass Indy 149 were easier to pull out a kick flip with proper catch and land than my thunder 148 on my krooked with the long 14.4 wheel base
[close]
This is it, the final post for my study. Since July of 2016 I have been compiling a list of all your opinions and truck insights. Basically your faviourite truck and why at said given date you posted. Also a separate graph with your pros and cons of each truck brand, and the period of time between postings (how long you stick with your decisions to use your “faviourite” truck). There seem to be some trends and my final consensus simply put is rob likes whatever rob isn’t using currently, but there’s a few more insights that’s a simplified version. It might actually provide some sense in terms of skateboarding trucks and their performance based off of what you have observed. I have a friend who is a Cognitive psychotherapist writing a paper on Rational Emotive Behaviour Therapy that I don’t understand at all, but he has gone over all your insights and made a report on your personality and behaviours, that you can evaluate to see how far off it is.  Obviously it might not be 100 percent accurate as there’s some details he can’t extrapolate from just this aspect of your life (personalities are complex). I’ll be posting my report to you soon and you can decide wether or not you are comfortable with me posting it in this thread. I feel I now have enough information.
I hope you are serious Rumple.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: roba on March 13, 2018, 11:22:15 AM
Quote from: beatifk on March 13, 2018, 03:19:31 AM
Quote from: clamy on March 13, 2018, 02:28:28 AM
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Here's an idea... find a set of trucks you like (don't worry if they're not Indy), keep them stock and keep them on. You might just adjust to them. It's really that simple.
[close]

Yeah, I wonder, how many people would be doing all these mods if this thread didn't exist? Honestly?

I've skated for 30+ years and never heard of such effort to get some holy grail truck. I have changed some bushings out over the years here and there but only if they were gifted to me by the shop guy.

that’s real shit, i love reading this thread but all i’ve ever done to modify my trucks was to shave down the bushings to allow my front truck to be looser
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dwyck on March 13, 2018, 05:06:56 PM
alright, so anyway...

does anyone have feelings about forged indys? i'm so over my standard height 149s, hard conicals and want to go either a little lower (forged) or a little higher/more stable (venture or theeve)

i'm not wedded to the deep stage 11 turn, but i dont want to leave the 'carve' behind?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on March 13, 2018, 05:25:26 PM
Quote from: Dwyck on March 13, 2018, 05:06:56 PM
alright, so anyway...

does anyone have feelings about forged indys? i'm so over my standard height 149s, hard conicals and want to go either a little lower (forged) or a little higher/more stable (venture or theeve)

i'm not wedded to the deep stage 11 turn, but i dont want to leave the 'carve' behind?

I haven't spent much time on my forged 11s, but so far I'm really liking the feel. Enough that I don't think I could go back to the standard height.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 13, 2018, 07:53:31 PM
Quote from: Dwyck on March 13, 2018, 05:06:56 PM
alright, so anyway...

does anyone have feelings about forged indys? i'm so over my standard height 149s, hard conicals and want to go either a little lower (forged) or a little higher/more stable (venture or theeve)

i'm not wedded to the deep stage 11 turn, but i dont want to leave the 'carve' behind?

Forged are great, the 'old' indy height of 53.5..

+1 for theeve (if you want stability on center, carvy and light, haters gonna hate) - they're not, however, tall, no matter what you read, they are lower than 55mm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on March 13, 2018, 08:17:55 PM
Any of you the guy discussing truck baseplates on a chris cole instagram post?

or are there others, who haven't found their way onto slap
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SirCletusIV on March 13, 2018, 10:26:39 PM
So I think I'm going to pull the trigger on getting an 8.75 Powell flight board. Not the biggest fan of Powell but I'm a bigger guy (6'1, 250 lbs) and from what I hear it's the only board with technology that's not a complete gimmick when it comes to a board last longer and retaining it's stiffness. I just recently started learning about wheelbase sizes and how a taller guy like me might want a larger wheelbase size and this board coincidentally has a 15 inch wheelbase.

My question is what would be the best brand of trucks that would compliment the wheelbase size and not render it's size useless. From what I hear certain truck brands can make the wheelbase smaller because of the shape of the truck. I was really interested in trying ACE trucks but a lot of people say this will make my wheelbase size feel shorter when I'm riding it. On the flipside, I hear thunders are the opposite. So what the frick should I do people?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on March 13, 2018, 10:53:53 PM
Quote from: SirCletusIV on March 13, 2018, 10:26:39 PM
So I think I'm going to pull the trigger on getting an 8.75 Powell flight board. Not the biggest fan of Powell but I'm a bigger guy (6'1, 250 lbs) and from what I hear it's the only board with technology that's not a complete gimmick when it comes to a board last longer and retaining it's stiffness. I just recently started learning about wheelbase sizes and how a taller guy like me might want a larger wheelbase size and this board coincidentally has a 15 inch wheelbase.

My question is what would be the best brand of trucks that would compliment the wheelbase size and not render it's size useless. From what I hear certain truck brands can make the wheelbase smaller because of the shape of the truck. I was really interested in trying ACE trucks but a lot of people say this will make my wheelbase size feel shorter when I'm riding it. On the flipside, I hear thunders are the opposite. So what the frick should I do people?!?!?!?!

What wheelbase are your previous boards? You sure you set on a 15 in wheelbase? Do you skate transition?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SirCletusIV on March 13, 2018, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on March 13, 2018, 10:53:53 PM
Quote from: SirCletusIV on March 13, 2018, 10:26:39 PM
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So I think I'm going to pull the trigger on getting an 8.75 Powell flight board. Not the biggest fan of Powell but I'm a bigger guy (6'1, 250 lbs) and from what I hear it's the only board with technology that's not a complete gimmick when it comes to a board last longer and retaining it's stiffness. I just recently started learning about wheelbase sizes and how a taller guy like me might want a larger wheelbase size and this board coincidentally has a 15 inch wheelbase.

My question is what would be the best brand of trucks that would compliment the wheelbase size and not render it's size useless. From what I hear certain truck brands can make the wheelbase smaller because of the shape of the truck. I was really interested in trying ACE trucks but a lot of people say this will make my wheelbase size feel shorter when I'm riding it. On the flipside, I hear thunders are the opposite. So what the frick should I do people?!?!?!?!
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What wheelbase are your previous boards? You sure you set on a 15 in wheelbase? Do you skate transition?

I never looked at wheelbase when riding my previous boards. I tried looking for the wheelbase of my last board which was this pink Real James hardy board but It's older and i can't find it anywhere online let alone the specs. I try to skate everything but I would like to improve my flatground game a lot. My reasoning behind the 15 inch wheel base size is that I'm a tall guy and I heard a longer wheelbase would improve my center of gravity a bit more.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on March 14, 2018, 12:09:04 AM
Quote from: SirCletusIV on March 13, 2018, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on March 13, 2018, 10:53:53 PM
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Quote from: SirCletusIV on March 13, 2018, 10:26:39 PM
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So I think I'm going to pull the trigger on getting an 8.75 Powell flight board. Not the biggest fan of Powell but I'm a bigger guy (6'1, 250 lbs) and from what I hear it's the only board with technology that's not a complete gimmick when it comes to a board last longer and retaining it's stiffness. I just recently started learning about wheelbase sizes and how a taller guy like me might want a larger wheelbase size and this board coincidentally has a 15 inch wheelbase.

My question is what would be the best brand of trucks that would compliment the wheelbase size and not render it's size useless. From what I hear certain truck brands can make the wheelbase smaller because of the shape of the truck. I was really interested in trying ACE trucks but a lot of people say this will make my wheelbase size feel shorter when I'm riding it. On the flipside, I hear thunders are the opposite. So what the frick should I do people?!?!?!?!
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What wheelbase are your previous boards? You sure you set on a 15 in wheelbase? Do you skate transition?
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I never looked at wheelbase when riding my previous boards. I tried looking for the wheelbase of my last board which was this pink Real James hardy board but It's older and i can't find it anywhere online let alone the specs. I try to skate everything but I would like to improve my flatground game a lot. My reasoning behind the 15 inch wheel base size is that I'm a tall guy and I heard a longer wheelbase would improve my center of gravity a bit more.

Most boards have a wheelbase between 14 and 14.75 inches, with the normal being about 14.25 - 14.38 ish. 15 inches is very long, it could get quite tedious for flatground. I'm a lot taller than you and I find that 14.75 is as long as I'm willing to go. While a longer wheelbase is undoubtedly more stable, it also takes a lot more effort to spin/flip etc. I would recommend you find something along the lines of a 14.75 ish wheelbase board, see if you like that, and if you do, either stick with it or then try 15 inches. Going from a standard wheelbase to 15 inches is a pretty drastic change, and could throw you off quite a bit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 14, 2018, 01:12:21 AM
Hey I’m not that crazy, I haven’t touched the other 10 pairs of trucks I have since dwindling it down to thunder and Indy’s

Truth of the matter, I think I just never had the right fit shoes thus I never had the right size deck comfortable to do tricks properly and feel safe to land and then went to play with truck setups to deal with the underlying problem which was just my shoes

I found I like my shoes snug, now I can use my whole foot and get better control, found out I like my decks 7.9-8.13, then went to trucks and found out I like overall I prefer a med skinny tall setup/52mm-55mm tall truck 8-8.25 wide, 149 trucks are good too but the weight is a little much

Currently loving my krooked 8.1, indy stg11 139, and spit classic 51mm. It so goodddd
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on March 14, 2018, 01:30:55 AM
"Hey I’m not that crazy" sounds exactly like what a crazy person would say.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on March 14, 2018, 02:18:45 AM
welcome to the "truck set-ups" thread ! ;D
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 14, 2018, 08:21:57 AM
Was doing some reading on metals again and realized solid titanium actually isn’t even stronger than a solid chromoly axle. I couldn’t find info on whether a hollow chromoly axle would still be stronger than a solid titanium one though. Anyone have 2 cents?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on March 14, 2018, 08:50:54 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 14, 2018, 08:21:57 AM
Was doing some reading on metals again and realized solid titanium actually isn’t even stronger than a solid chromoly axle. I couldn’t find info on whether a hollow chromoly axle would still be stronger than a solid titanium one though. Anyone have 2 cents?
Theeve uses 6/4 titanium alloy, never 100% titanium, its too rigid I think. More recently (last set I bought in January), they have changed all of the kingpins on the TiKing series to feature a 100% hollow steel chromoly axle instead of the old titanium ones (I know, TiKings don't actually have titanium kingpins - weird.) It is also longer than the old ones, so less clearance for grinds. I use the krux downlows on mine though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 14, 2018, 10:32:01 AM
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Was doing some reading on metals again and realized solid titanium actually isn’t even stronger than a solid chromoly axle. I couldn’t find info on whether a hollow chromoly axle would still be stronger than a solid titanium one though. Anyone have 2 cents?
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Theeve uses 6/4 titanium alloy, never 100% titanium, its too rigid I think. More recently (last set I bought in January), they have changed all of the kingpins on the TiKing series to feature a 100% hollow steel chromoly axle instead of the old titanium ones (I know, TiKings don't actually have titanium kingpins - weird.) It is also longer than the old ones, so less clearance for grinds. I use the krux downlows on mine though.

Yeah, they swapped the Ti Kingpins and the bones bushings out for cheaper production I'd imagine, the TiKings probably weren't selling due to cost. Those kinpins were light as fuck tho.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dstrytruitt on March 14, 2018, 10:34:39 AM
Quote from: Dwyck on March 13, 2018, 05:06:56 PM
alright, so anyway...

does anyone have feelings about forged indys? i'm so over my standard height 149s, hard conicals and want to go either a little lower (forged) or a little higher/more stable (venture or theeve)

i'm not wedded to the deep stage 11 turn, but i dont want to leave the 'carve' behind?

I actually prefer the non-forged baseplate with the hollow axle/kingpin set-up to my forged/hollows. I feel like the height allows for more pop and the stock bushings on the GT model just feel better than the stock orange in general. Full disclosure:  I skate tranny only and I'm 99% everything I typed there is in my head so take that for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on March 14, 2018, 11:02:55 AM
for me, forged indy baseplates make the board seem 'dead'... they also make a higher pitched metal noise when you're sliding against them.  im all for a little lower truck than the cast indys, but you can just drop the wheel size to lower the board.  and if you dont want to lose surface area, go for a small wide wheel. 

im skating some ti indys where i replaced the forged base with a cast base

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on March 14, 2018, 11:35:15 AM
Quote from: Xen on March 14, 2018, 10:32:01 AM
Yeah, they swapped the Ti Kingpins and the bones bushings out for cheaper production I'd imagine, the TiKings probably weren't selling due to cost. Those kinpins were light as fuck tho.

The bushings don't feel any different to me than bones mediums, they're just white caps instead of yellow caps.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 14, 2018, 12:16:34 PM
Quote from: art hellman on March 14, 2018, 11:02:55 AM
for me, forged indy baseplates make the board seem 'dead'... they also make a higher pitched metal noise when you're sliding against them.  im all for a little lower truck than the cast indys, but you can just drop the wheel size to lower the board.  and if you dont want to lose surface area, go for a small wide wheel. 

im skating some ti indys where i replaced the forged base with a cast base

Funny, forged plates make the board feel 'tinny' to me whereas the cast plates always deaden the feel/sound =D

Size-wise, going to a smaller wheel on the cast, well, I prefer the opposite, larger wheels on the cast due to height and vice-versa on forged; that said, I don't go over 53 so the forged worked fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 14, 2018, 07:01:50 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 14, 2018, 12:16:34 PM
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for me, forged indy baseplates make the board seem 'dead'... they also make a higher pitched metal noise when you're sliding against them.  im all for a little lower truck than the cast indys, but you can just drop the wheel size to lower the board.  and if you dont want to lose surface area, go for a small wide wheel. 

im skating some ti indys where i replaced the forged base with a cast base
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Funny, forged plates make the board feel 'tinny' to me whereas the cast plates always deaden the feel/sound =D

Size-wise, going to a smaller wheel on the cast, well, I prefer the opposite, larger wheels on the cast due to height and vice-versa on forged; that said, I don't go over 53 so the forged worked fine.

I’m gonna have to agree on the deadness of forged

They lack feel, they’re so thin and fragile feeling

I like cast cause even though they’re not as strong and the the bolt holes eventually stretch they actually make the trucks solid and heavy feeling which gives me the feeling of it being a real skateboard that’s solid and sturdy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SirCletusIV on March 14, 2018, 09:40:05 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on March 14, 2018, 12:09:04 AM
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So I think I'm going to pull the trigger on getting an 8.75 Powell flight board. Not the biggest fan of Powell but I'm a bigger guy (6'1, 250 lbs) and from what I hear it's the only board with technology that's not a complete gimmick when it comes to a board last longer and retaining it's stiffness. I just recently started learning about wheelbase sizes and how a taller guy like me might want a larger wheelbase size and this board coincidentally has a 15 inch wheelbase.

My question is what would be the best brand of trucks that would compliment the wheelbase size and not render it's size useless. From what I hear certain truck brands can make the wheelbase smaller because of the shape of the truck. I was really interested in trying ACE trucks but a lot of people say this will make my wheelbase size feel shorter when I'm riding it. On the flipside, I hear thunders are the opposite. So what the frick should I do people?!?!?!?!
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What wheelbase are your previous boards? You sure you set on a 15 in wheelbase? Do you skate transition?
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I never looked at wheelbase when riding my previous boards. I tried looking for the wheelbase of my last board which was this pink Real James hardy board but It's older and i can't find it anywhere online let alone the specs. I try to skate everything but I would like to improve my flatground game a lot. My reasoning behind the 15 inch wheel base size is that I'm a tall guy and I heard a longer wheelbase would improve my center of gravity a bit more.
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Most boards have a wheelbase between 14 and 14.75 inches, with the normal being about 14.25 - 14.38 ish. 15 inches is very long, it could get quite tedious for flatground. I'm a lot taller than you and I find that 14.75 is as long as I'm willing to go. While a longer wheelbase is undoubtedly more stable, it also takes a lot more effort to spin/flip etc. I would recommend you find something along the lines of a 14.75 ish wheelbase board, see if you like that, and if you do, either stick with it or then try 15 inches. Going from a standard wheelbase to 15 inches is a pretty drastic change, and could throw you off quite a bit.

Fair enough I'll look for another substitute. My problem is  I'm a heavier dude and I want something to last a while and the Powell flight boards that are my size are both 15 inch wheelbase sizes. It seems to be the only board with technology that isn't a gimmick. I was thinking that getting ace trucks could kind of diminish the wheelbase size of the board as I've heard people say they give the board a shorter feel. Idk.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on March 14, 2018, 10:08:39 PM
Quote from: SirCletusIV on March 14, 2018, 09:40:05 PM
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So I think I'm going to pull the trigger on getting an 8.75 Powell flight board. Not the biggest fan of Powell but I'm a bigger guy (6'1, 250 lbs) and from what I hear it's the only board with technology that's not a complete gimmick when it comes to a board last longer and retaining it's stiffness. I just recently started learning about wheelbase sizes and how a taller guy like me might want a larger wheelbase size and this board coincidentally has a 15 inch wheelbase.

My question is what would be the best brand of trucks that would compliment the wheelbase size and not render it's size useless. From what I hear certain truck brands can make the wheelbase smaller because of the shape of the truck. I was really interested in trying ACE trucks but a lot of people say this will make my wheelbase size feel shorter when I'm riding it. On the flipside, I hear thunders are the opposite. So what the frick should I do people?!?!?!?!
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What wheelbase are your previous boards? You sure you set on a 15 in wheelbase? Do you skate transition?
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I never looked at wheelbase when riding my previous boards. I tried looking for the wheelbase of my last board which was this pink Real James hardy board but It's older and i can't find it anywhere online let alone the specs. I try to skate everything but I would like to improve my flatground game a lot. My reasoning behind the 15 inch wheel base size is that I'm a tall guy and I heard a longer wheelbase would improve my center of gravity a bit more.
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Most boards have a wheelbase between 14 and 14.75 inches, with the normal being about 14.25 - 14.38 ish. 15 inches is very long, it could get quite tedious for flatground. I'm a lot taller than you and I find that 14.75 is as long as I'm willing to go. While a longer wheelbase is undoubtedly more stable, it also takes a lot more effort to spin/flip etc. I would recommend you find something along the lines of a 14.75 ish wheelbase board, see if you like that, and if you do, either stick with it or then try 15 inches. Going from a standard wheelbase to 15 inches is a pretty drastic change, and could throw you off quite a bit.
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Fair enough I'll look for another substitute. My problem is  I'm a heavier dude and I want something to last a while and the Powell flight boards that are my size are both 15 inch wheelbase sizes. It seems to be the only board with technology that isn't a gimmick. I was thinking that getting ace trucks could kind of diminish the wheelbase size of the board as I've heard people say they give the board a shorter feel. Idk.

It's true, aces to diminish wheelbase, but the effect trucks have on wheelbase, unless you change from polar opposites like from Thunder to Ace/Theeve, is minimal. So aces plus the powell could actually however work with the powell 15 inch wheelbase board, making it a bit more manageable, like a 14.8 inch wheelbase board or something (don't quote me, just a random guess). So in a sense it would balance out a bit while still having a far longer than usual wheelbase.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 14, 2018, 10:17:42 PM
Quote from: rob on March 14, 2018, 07:01:50 PM
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for me, forged indy baseplates make the board seem 'dead'... they also make a higher pitched metal noise when you're sliding against them.  im all for a little lower truck than the cast indys, but you can just drop the wheel size to lower the board.  and if you dont want to lose surface area, go for a small wide wheel. 

im skating some ti indys where i replaced the forged base with a cast base
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Funny, forged plates make the board feel 'tinny' to me whereas the cast plates always deaden the feel/sound =D

Size-wise, going to a smaller wheel on the cast, well, I prefer the opposite, larger wheels on the cast due to height and vice-versa on forged; that said, I don't go over 53 so the forged worked fine.
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I’m gonna have to agree on the deadness of forged

They lack feel, they’re so thin and fragile feeling

I like cast cause even though they’re not as strong and the the bolt holes eventually stretch they actually make the trucks solid and heavy feeling which gives me the feeling of it being a real skateboard that’s solid and sturdy


I don’t mind skating cast but I personally prefer forged. Mostly because they’re lighter, but that’s just cuz I’m a stickler for weight.

Speaking of which, I’m back to my 149 Ti’s w/ the 97 hard thunder bushings and risers. Will probably take me one bad day of wheelbite to switch back to my Theeves, but I do love the super slim hanger and how they turn & pop. The madness never ends

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on March 14, 2018, 10:33:30 PM
Quote from: SirCletusIV on March 14, 2018, 09:40:05 PM
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So I think I'm going to pull the trigger on getting an 8.75 Powell flight board. Not the biggest fan of Powell but I'm a bigger guy (6'1, 250 lbs) and from what I hear it's the only board with technology that's not a complete gimmick when it comes to a board last longer and retaining it's stiffness. I just recently started learning about wheelbase sizes and how a taller guy like me might want a larger wheelbase size and this board coincidentally has a 15 inch wheelbase.

My question is what would be the best brand of trucks that would compliment the wheelbase size and not render it's size useless. From what I hear certain truck brands can make the wheelbase smaller because of the shape of the truck. I was really interested in trying ACE trucks but a lot of people say this will make my wheelbase size feel shorter when I'm riding it. On the flipside, I hear thunders are the opposite. So what the frick should I do people?!?!?!?!
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What wheelbase are your previous boards? You sure you set on a 15 in wheelbase? Do you skate transition?
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I never looked at wheelbase when riding my previous boards. I tried looking for the wheelbase of my last board which was this pink Real James hardy board but It's older and i can't find it anywhere online let alone the specs. I try to skate everything but I would like to improve my flatground game a lot. My reasoning behind the 15 inch wheel base size is that I'm a tall guy and I heard a longer wheelbase would improve my center of gravity a bit more.
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Most boards have a wheelbase between 14 and 14.75 inches, with the normal being about 14.25 - 14.38 ish. 15 inches is very long, it could get quite tedious for flatground. I'm a lot taller than you and I find that 14.75 is as long as I'm willing to go. While a longer wheelbase is undoubtedly more stable, it also takes a lot more effort to spin/flip etc. I would recommend you find something along the lines of a 14.75 ish wheelbase board, see if you like that, and if you do, either stick with it or then try 15 inches. Going from a standard wheelbase to 15 inches is a pretty drastic change, and could throw you off quite a bit.
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Fair enough I'll look for another substitute. My problem is  I'm a heavier dude and I want something to last a while and the Powell flight boards that are my size are both 15 inch wheelbase sizes. It seems to be the only board with technology that isn't a gimmick. I was thinking that getting ace trucks could kind of diminish the wheelbase size of the board as I've heard people say they give the board a shorter feel. Idk.


Powell shape 192 has a 14.75 wheelbase, is a shaped deck just over 9 wide, and you can get it with the Cab Ban This dragon.

The McGill shape is 8.97 and has a 14.6 wb I believe. That's an option 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SirCletusIV on March 14, 2018, 11:34:23 PM
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So I think I'm going to pull the trigger on getting an 8.75 Powell flight board. Not the biggest fan of Powell but I'm a bigger guy (6'1, 250 lbs) and from what I hear it's the only board with technology that's not a complete gimmick when it comes to a board last longer and retaining it's stiffness. I just recently started learning about wheelbase sizes and how a taller guy like me might want a larger wheelbase size and this board coincidentally has a 15 inch wheelbase.

My question is what would be the best brand of trucks that would compliment the wheelbase size and not render it's size useless. From what I hear certain truck brands can make the wheelbase smaller because of the shape of the truck. I was really interested in trying ACE trucks but a lot of people say this will make my wheelbase size feel shorter when I'm riding it. On the flipside, I hear thunders are the opposite. So what the frick should I do people?!?!?!?!
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What wheelbase are your previous boards? You sure you set on a 15 in wheelbase? Do you skate transition?
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I never looked at wheelbase when riding my previous boards. I tried looking for the wheelbase of my last board which was this pink Real James hardy board but It's older and i can't find it anywhere online let alone the specs. I try to skate everything but I would like to improve my flatground game a lot. My reasoning behind the 15 inch wheel base size is that I'm a tall guy and I heard a longer wheelbase would improve my center of gravity a bit more.
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Most boards have a wheelbase between 14 and 14.75 inches, with the normal being about 14.25 - 14.38 ish. 15 inches is very long, it could get quite tedious for flatground. I'm a lot taller than you and I find that 14.75 is as long as I'm willing to go. While a longer wheelbase is undoubtedly more stable, it also takes a lot more effort to spin/flip etc. I would recommend you find something along the lines of a 14.75 ish wheelbase board, see if you like that, and if you do, either stick with it or then try 15 inches. Going from a standard wheelbase to 15 inches is a pretty drastic change, and could throw you off quite a bit.
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Fair enough I'll look for another substitute. My problem is  I'm a heavier dude and I want something to last a while and the Powell flight boards that are my size are both 15 inch wheelbase sizes. It seems to be the only board with technology that isn't a gimmick. I was thinking that getting ace trucks could kind of diminish the wheelbase size of the board as I've heard people say they give the board a shorter feel. Idk.
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It's true, aces to diminish wheelbase, but the effect trucks have on wheelbase, unless you change from polar opposites like from Thunder to Ace/Theeve, is minimal. So aces plus the powell could actually however work with the powell 15 inch wheelbase board, making it a bit more manageable, like a 14.8 inch wheelbase board or something (don't quote me, just a random guess). So in a sense it would balance out a bit while still having a far longer than usual wheelbase.

I hope so. Like i said, i don't have a lot of options being a bigger guy and i hate getting mushy boards after the first week of skating so for right now powell flight boards seem to be my best bet. I'll just have to take a chance and see if can still keep my flatground game with a 15 inch wheelbase board with aces.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SirCletusIV on March 14, 2018, 11:38:49 PM
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So I think I'm going to pull the trigger on getting an 8.75 Powell flight board. Not the biggest fan of Powell but I'm a bigger guy (6'1, 250 lbs) and from what I hear it's the only board with technology that's not a complete gimmick when it comes to a board last longer and retaining it's stiffness. I just recently started learning about wheelbase sizes and how a taller guy like me might want a larger wheelbase size and this board coincidentally has a 15 inch wheelbase.

My question is what would be the best brand of trucks that would compliment the wheelbase size and not render it's size useless. From what I hear certain truck brands can make the wheelbase smaller because of the shape of the truck. I was really interested in trying ACE trucks but a lot of people say this will make my wheelbase size feel shorter when I'm riding it. On the flipside, I hear thunders are the opposite. So what the frick should I do people?!?!?!?!
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What wheelbase are your previous boards? You sure you set on a 15 in wheelbase? Do you skate transition?
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I never looked at wheelbase when riding my previous boards. I tried looking for the wheelbase of my last board which was this pink Real James hardy board but It's older and i can't find it anywhere online let alone the specs. I try to skate everything but I would like to improve my flatground game a lot. My reasoning behind the 15 inch wheel base size is that I'm a tall guy and I heard a longer wheelbase would improve my center of gravity a bit more.
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Most boards have a wheelbase between 14 and 14.75 inches, with the normal being about 14.25 - 14.38 ish. 15 inches is very long, it could get quite tedious for flatground. I'm a lot taller than you and I find that 14.75 is as long as I'm willing to go. While a longer wheelbase is undoubtedly more stable, it also takes a lot more effort to spin/flip etc. I would recommend you find something along the lines of a 14.75 ish wheelbase board, see if you like that, and if you do, either stick with it or then try 15 inches. Going from a standard wheelbase to 15 inches is a pretty drastic change, and could throw you off quite a bit.
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Fair enough I'll look for another substitute. My problem is  I'm a heavier dude and I want something to last a while and the Powell flight boards that are my size are both 15 inch wheelbase sizes. It seems to be the only board with technology that isn't a gimmick. I was thinking that getting ace trucks could kind of diminish the wheelbase size of the board as I've heard people say they give the board a shorter feel. Idk.
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Powell shape 192 has a 14.75 wheelbase, is a shaped deck just over 9 wide, and you can get it with the Cab Ban This dragon.

The McGill shape is 8.97 and has a 14.6 wb I believe. That's an option

I saw the cab ban this dragon one and it looks sick but It's not in stock yet. Plus going from an 8.5 to a 9.25 is a huge leap.

I looked at the McGill one but i don't know if that thing is gonna be good for street or not. It'd be cool if it was but that nose looks pretty angular
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on March 15, 2018, 12:56:22 AM
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So I think I'm going to pull the trigger on getting an 8.75 Powell flight board. Not the biggest fan of Powell but I'm a bigger guy (6'1, 250 lbs) and from what I hear it's the only board with technology that's not a complete gimmick when it comes to a board last longer and retaining it's stiffness. I just recently started learning about wheelbase sizes and how a taller guy like me might want a larger wheelbase size and this board coincidentally has a 15 inch wheelbase.

My question is what would be the best brand of trucks that would compliment the wheelbase size and not render it's size useless. From what I hear certain truck brands can make the wheelbase smaller because of the shape of the truck. I was really interested in trying ACE trucks but a lot of people say this will make my wheelbase size feel shorter when I'm riding it. On the flipside, I hear thunders are the opposite. So what the frick should I do people?!?!?!?!
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What wheelbase are your previous boards? You sure you set on a 15 in wheelbase? Do you skate transition?
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I never looked at wheelbase when riding my previous boards. I tried looking for the wheelbase of my last board which was this pink Real James hardy board but It's older and i can't find it anywhere online let alone the specs. I try to skate everything but I would like to improve my flatground game a lot. My reasoning behind the 15 inch wheel base size is that I'm a tall guy and I heard a longer wheelbase would improve my center of gravity a bit more.
[close]

Most boards have a wheelbase between 14 and 14.75 inches, with the normal being about 14.25 - 14.38 ish. 15 inches is very long, it could get quite tedious for flatground. I'm a lot taller than you and I find that 14.75 is as long as I'm willing to go. While a longer wheelbase is undoubtedly more stable, it also takes a lot more effort to spin/flip etc. I would recommend you find something along the lines of a 14.75 ish wheelbase board, see if you like that, and if you do, either stick with it or then try 15 inches. Going from a standard wheelbase to 15 inches is a pretty drastic change, and could throw you off quite a bit.
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Fair enough I'll look for another substitute. My problem is  I'm a heavier dude and I want something to last a while and the Powell flight boards that are my size are both 15 inch wheelbase sizes. It seems to be the only board with technology that isn't a gimmick. I was thinking that getting ace trucks could kind of diminish the wheelbase size of the board as I've heard people say they give the board a shorter feel. Idk.
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It's true, aces to diminish wheelbase, but the effect trucks have on wheelbase, unless you change from polar opposites like from Thunder to Ace/Theeve, is minimal. So aces plus the powell could actually however work with the powell 15 inch wheelbase board, making it a bit more manageable, like a 14.8 inch wheelbase board or something (don't quote me, just a random guess). So in a sense it would balance out a bit while still having a far longer than usual wheelbase.
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I hope so. Like i said, i don't have a lot of options being a bigger guy and i hate getting mushy boards after the first week of skating so for right now powell flight boards seem to be my best bet. I'll just have to take a chance and see if can still keep my flatground game with a 15 inch wheelbase board with aces.

What trucks are you riding now?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hey pickle on March 16, 2018, 07:20:20 AM
Two questions regarding ventures:

Do Indy aftermarket barrel bushings fit venture his flush

Does anyone know when those new venture raws are out in Europe
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on March 16, 2018, 08:59:06 AM
Quote from: hey pickle on March 16, 2018, 07:20:20 AM
Two questions regarding ventures:

Do Indy aftermarket barrel bushings fit venture his flush

Does anyone know when those new venture raws are out in Europe

Yes

Not me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on March 16, 2018, 04:22:01 PM
I tried it myself and Indy bottom bushing a slighter taller than venture bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 16, 2018, 06:08:05 PM
Update on my indy 139 stg 11 forged hollows

They’re actually really decently good trucks, the forged don’t feel as great out the gate like the cast, that broken in truck/board feeling and you gotta kinda adjust the way you do your tricks but overall not bad

Forged are definitely lighter and worth it if your willing to get adjusted rather than have that classic broken in feel of the cast normal Indy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on March 16, 2018, 07:08:28 PM
Quote from: rob on March 16, 2018, 06:08:05 PM
Update on my indy 139 stg 11 forged hollows

They’re actually really decently good trucks, the forged don’t feel as great out the gate like the cast, that broken in truck/board feeling and you gotta kinda adjust the way you do your tricks but overall not bad

Forged are definitely lighter and worth it if your willing to get adjusted rather than have that classic broken in feel of the cast normal Indy

That dull sensation is the only downside to the forged plates.. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long for that mid-height indy!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 16, 2018, 11:28:59 PM
Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on March 16, 2018, 07:08:28 PM
Quote from: rob on March 16, 2018, 06:08:05 PM
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Update on my indy 139 stg 11 forged hollows

They’re actually really decently good trucks, the forged don’t feel as great out the gate like the cast, that broken in truck/board feeling and you gotta kinda adjust the way you do your tricks but overall not bad

Forged are definitely lighter and worth it if your willing to get adjusted rather than have that classic broken in feel of the cast normal Indy
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That dull sensation is the only downside to the forged plates.. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long for that mid-height indy!

Yeah I’m hoping for that classic 53.5mm height but stage 11 turn and stability to it

Just got the new ace 44 or as they call it on the sites the ace “classics” and so far idk, they feel kinda clunky, like that whole dead sound and feeling, I guess it’s the softer metal but this is only speculation from rolling and popping a nollie and Ollie or 2

The bushings are really nice though

Might stick to Indy’s, scored a sweet powerful perfect pop styles Ollie over a small gap cruising home from work that felt so good I knew I was missing out on the Indy hype cause of my shoes all along, my lots of toe room no board feel shoes!!

Also I keep my trucks stock, stock geo and all that crap cause the madness gets worse if I’m tweaking like some of you guys thinking a new pivot cup and 2 different bushings on each truck is gonna get me to that dream setup, it’s just gonna make me super crazy truck guy rather than just crazy truck guy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on March 17, 2018, 06:36:45 AM
Quote from: rob on March 14, 2018, 01:12:21 AM
Hey I’m not that crazy, I haven’t touched the other 10 pairs of trucks I have since dwindling it down to thunder and Indy’s

Truth of the matter, I think I just never had the right fit shoes thus I never had the right size deck comfortable to do tricks properly and feel safe to land and then went to play with truck setups to deal with the underlying problem which was just my shoes

I found I like my shoes snug, now I can use my whole foot and get better control, found out I like my decks 7.9-8.13, then went to trucks and found out I like overall I prefer a med skinny tall setup/52mm-55mm tall truck 8-8.25 wide, 149 trucks are good too but the weight is a little much

Currently loving my krooked 8.1, indy stg11 139, and spit classic 51mm. It so goodddd

Back when shoes were hella padded, I'd wear a full size up. Since shoes slimmed down I have to try everything on and hate it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on March 17, 2018, 10:50:23 AM
You relapsed? Acknowledge and label your condition. Don't feel ashamed. Its another stage in your recovery. Then for fucksake, get a set of trucks and grind them down to axle before any more 'experimentation.' Gall Bless You.

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Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on March 16, 2018, 07:08:28 PM
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Update on my indy 139 stg 11 forged hollows

They’re actually really decently good trucks, the forged don’t feel as great out the gate like the cast, that broken in truck/board feeling and you gotta kinda adjust the way you do your tricks but overall not bad

Forged are definitely lighter and worth it if your willing to get adjusted rather than have that classic broken in feel of the cast normal Indy
[close]

That dull sensation is the only downside to the forged plates.. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long for that mid-height indy!
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Yeah I’m hoping for that classic 53.5mm height but stage 11 turn and stability to it

Just got the new ace 44 or as they call it on the sites the ace “classics” and so far idk, they feel kinda clunky, like that whole dead sound and feeling, I guess it’s the softer metal but this is only speculation from rolling and popping a nollie and Ollie or 2

The bushings are really nice though

Might stick to Indy’s, scored a sweet powerful perfect pop styles Ollie over a small gap cruising home from work that felt so good I knew I was missing out on the Indy hype cause of my shoes all along, my lots of toe room no board feel shoes!!

Also I keep my trucks stock, stock geo and all that crap cause the madness gets worse if I’m tweaking like some of you guys thinking a new pivot cup and 2 different bushings on each truck is gonna get me to that dream setup, it’s just gonna make me super crazy truck guy rather than just crazy truck guy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 17, 2018, 10:59:26 AM
Quote from: fang on March 17, 2018, 06:36:45 AM
Quote from: rob on March 14, 2018, 01:12:21 AM
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Hey I’m not that crazy, I haven’t touched the other 10 pairs of trucks I have since dwindling it down to thunder and Indy’s

Truth of the matter, I think I just never had the right fit shoes thus I never had the right size deck comfortable to do tricks properly and feel safe to land and then went to play with truck setups to deal with the underlying problem which was just my shoes

I found I like my shoes snug, now I can use my whole foot and get better control, found out I like my decks 7.9-8.13, then went to trucks and found out I like overall I prefer a med skinny tall setup/52mm-55mm tall truck 8-8.25 wide, 149 trucks are good too but the weight is a little much

Currently loving my krooked 8.1, indy stg11 139, and spit classic 51mm. It so goodddd
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Back when shoes were hella padded, I'd wear a full size up. Since shoes slimmed down I have to try everything on and hate it

Ahah yeah shoes were nice and pillows on the feet coated with tank armor so they actually lasted 4-6 months of heavy skating

Exactly!! I hate it! For the last 3-4 years I was thinking yeah I’m definitely a firm size 10, then recently skating some gt blazers my girl got me in a size 9 cause trying them on I was like ehh they actually fit and are a nice snug but not with some room like my usual but I’ll try them, boom turns out I’m a size 9/8.5 this whole time cause my skating improved drastically!!

Boardfeel was actually a thing, you know when you get that sweet spot feeling setting up to do a trick but sometimes the result is different from what you had feeling trying the trick having that sweet feel that you were totally gonna lock it in and do it with such finess and style, yeah I had a lot of that with bigger shoes and failing when I would think I’m feeling this Ollie  over the gap and pop a rocket to bail, or a sweet kick flip and primo, and grinds felt way rocked back and forth

So yeah, actually feet boardfeel=right board size for control=just having trucks that work with the way you control on the board

Quote from: Not Local on March 17, 2018, 10:50:23 AM
You relapsed? Acknowledge and label your condition. Don't feel ashamed. Its another stage in your recovery. Then for fucksake, get a set of trucks and grind them down to axle before any more 'experimentation.' Gall Bless You.

Quote from: rob on March 16, 2018, 11:28:59 PM
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Update on my indy 139 stg 11 forged hollows

They’re actually really decently good trucks, the forged don’t feel as great out the gate like the cast, that broken in truck/board feeling and you gotta kinda adjust the way you do your tricks but overall not bad

Forged are definitely lighter and worth it if your willing to get adjusted rather than have that classic broken in feel of the cast normal Indy
[close]

That dull sensation is the only downside to the forged plates.. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long for that mid-height indy!
[close]

Yeah I’m hoping for that classic 53.5mm height but stage 11 turn and stability to it

Just got the new ace 44 or as they call it on the sites the ace “classics” and so far idk, they feel kinda clunky, like that whole dead sound and feeling, I guess it’s the softer metal but this is only speculation from rolling and popping a nollie and Ollie or 2

The bushings are really nice though

Might stick to Indy’s, scored a sweet powerful perfect pop styles Ollie over a small gap cruising home from work that felt so good I knew I was missing out on the Indy hype cause of my shoes all along, my lots of toe room no board feel shoes!!

Also I keep my trucks stock, stock geo and all that crap cause the madness gets worse if I’m tweaking like some of you guys thinking a new pivot cup and 2 different bushings on each truck is gonna get me to that dream setup, it’s just gonna make me super crazy truck guy rather than just crazy truck guy
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I aknowledge and coming to a nice recovery, gall bless you too SLAP brother
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 18, 2018, 03:14:30 PM
Okay so the soft metal on the ace trucks takes almost no time to get use to

They’re actually really nice trucks

Compared to Indy they don’t turn as smoothly but they do carve as much but in turn for smooth they react quick like a thunder and act stable like a thunder

They feel nice for tre flips and feel type tricks but straight tricks like kick flips and heel flips take some adjusting

Overall in my opinion I like them a lot, might go back to Indy though cause idk, Indy’s feel great out the gate even when you aren’t warmed up and stretched Indy just flow but we’ll see, these ace aren’t bad at all. Definitely top 3

The ace feel like a carvy turny thunder, to me, And this is with the stock bushings which if you didn’t see in the ace trucks thread it’s a different Duro top and bottom stock they got going on
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 18, 2018, 04:02:11 PM
to me a thunder and Aces are polar opposite trucks....the only thing they have in common is they aren't indys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on March 18, 2018, 05:24:45 PM
Quote from: rob on March 18, 2018, 03:14:30 PM
Okay so the soft metal on the ace trucks takes almost no time to get use to

They’re actually really nice trucks

Compared to Indy they don’t turn as smoothly but they do carve as much but in turn for smooth they react quick like a thunder and act stable like a thunder

They feel nice for tre flips and feel type tricks but straight tricks like kick flips and heel flips take some adjusting

Overall in my opinion I like them a lot, might go back to Indy though cause idk, Indy’s feel great out the gate even when you aren’t warmed up and stretched Indy just flow but we’ll see, these ace aren’t bad at all. Definitely top 3

The ace feel like a carvy turny thunder, to me, And this is with the stock bushings which if you didn’t see in the ace trucks thread it’s a different Duro top and bottom stock they got going on

You know.. I never thought I'd say this, but I totally wholeheartedly agree with this.

I have amazing kickflips with Thunders, but I can't seem to figure them out decently with Ace's. When I do them often times I end up turning frontside.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on March 18, 2018, 05:35:48 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 18, 2018, 04:02:11 PM
to me a thunder and Aces are polar opposite trucks....the only thing they have in common is they aren't indys.

^This
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SirCletusIV on March 18, 2018, 09:00:34 PM
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So I think I'm going to pull the trigger on getting an 8.75 Powell flight board. Not the biggest fan of Powell but I'm a bigger guy (6'1, 250 lbs) and from what I hear it's the only board with technology that's not a complete gimmick when it comes to a board last longer and retaining it's stiffness. I just recently started learning about wheelbase sizes and how a taller guy like me might want a larger wheelbase size and this board coincidentally has a 15 inch wheelbase.

My question is what would be the best brand of trucks that would compliment the wheelbase size and not render it's size useless. From what I hear certain truck brands can make the wheelbase smaller because of the shape of the truck. I was really interested in trying ACE trucks but a lot of people say this will make my wheelbase size feel shorter when I'm riding it. On the flipside, I hear thunders are the opposite. So what the frick should I do people?!?!?!?!
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What wheelbase are your previous boards? You sure you set on a 15 in wheelbase? Do you skate transition?
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I never looked at wheelbase when riding my previous boards. I tried looking for the wheelbase of my last board which was this pink Real James hardy board but It's older and i can't find it anywhere online let alone the specs. I try to skate everything but I would like to improve my flatground game a lot. My reasoning behind the 15 inch wheel base size is that I'm a tall guy and I heard a longer wheelbase would improve my center of gravity a bit more.
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Most boards have a wheelbase between 14 and 14.75 inches, with the normal being about 14.25 - 14.38 ish. 15 inches is very long, it could get quite tedious for flatground. I'm a lot taller than you and I find that 14.75 is as long as I'm willing to go. While a longer wheelbase is undoubtedly more stable, it also takes a lot more effort to spin/flip etc. I would recommend you find something along the lines of a 14.75 ish wheelbase board, see if you like that, and if you do, either stick with it or then try 15 inches. Going from a standard wheelbase to 15 inches is a pretty drastic change, and could throw you off quite a bit.
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Fair enough I'll look for another substitute. My problem is  I'm a heavier dude and I want something to last a while and the Powell flight boards that are my size are both 15 inch wheelbase sizes. It seems to be the only board with technology that isn't a gimmick. I was thinking that getting ace trucks could kind of diminish the wheelbase size of the board as I've heard people say they give the board a shorter feel. Idk.
[close]

It's true, aces to diminish wheelbase, but the effect trucks have on wheelbase, unless you change from polar opposites like from Thunder to Ace/Theeve, is minimal. So aces plus the powell could actually however work with the powell 15 inch wheelbase board, making it a bit more manageable, like a 14.8 inch wheelbase board or something (don't quote me, just a random guess). So in a sense it would balance out a bit while still having a far longer than usual wheelbase.
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I hope so. Like i said, i don't have a lot of options being a bigger guy and i hate getting mushy boards after the first week of skating so for right now powell flight boards seem to be my best bet. I'll just have to take a chance and see if can still keep my flatground game with a 15 inch wheelbase board with aces.
[close]

What trucks are you riding now?

i'm riding 149 indys right now
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 18, 2018, 09:47:19 PM
Quote from: Mongoloid on March 18, 2018, 05:24:45 PM
Quote from: rob on March 18, 2018, 03:14:30 PM
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Okay so the soft metal on the ace trucks takes almost no time to get use to

They’re actually really nice trucks

Compared to Indy they don’t turn as smoothly but they do carve as much but in turn for smooth they react quick like a thunder and act stable like a thunder

They feel nice for tre flips and feel type tricks but straight tricks like kick flips and heel flips take some adjusting

Overall in my opinion I like them a lot, might go back to Indy though cause idk, Indy’s feel great out the gate even when you aren’t warmed up and stretched Indy just flow but we’ll see, these ace aren’t bad at all. Definitely top 3

The ace feel like a carvy turny thunder, to me, And this is with the stock bushings which if you didn’t see in the ace trucks thread it’s a different Duro top and bottom stock they got going on
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You know.. I never thought I'd say this, but I totally wholeheartedly agree with this.

I have amazing kickflips with Thunders, but I can't seem to figure them out decently with Ace's. When I do them often times I end up turning frontside.

Thanks for knowing too mongoloid, I know what I’m feeling can’t be just me even if I am considered the crazy guy on this thread and the whole message boards


Quote from: j....soy..... on March 18, 2018, 04:02:11 PM
to me a thunder and Aces are polar opposite trucks....the only thing they have in common is they aren't indys.

I can see why you say because thunders are really stable and tight and aces are usually unstable and loose but I think that would be old ace cause I got the new ones called the “classics” and the way the bushings squeak and respond reminded me straight thunder/venture bushings but the geometry pushes the turning more
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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So I think I'm going to pull the trigger on getting an 8.75 Powell flight board. Not the biggest fan of Powell but I'm a bigger guy (6'1, 250 lbs) and from what I hear it's the only board with technology that's not a complete gimmick when it comes to a board last longer and retaining it's stiffness. I just recently started learning about wheelbase sizes and how a taller guy like me might want a larger wheelbase size and this board coincidentally has a 15 inch wheelbase.

My question is what would be the best brand of trucks that would compliment the wheelbase size and not render it's size useless. From what I hear certain truck brands can make the wheelbase smaller because of the shape of the truck. I was really interested in trying ACE trucks but a lot of people say this will make my wheelbase size feel shorter when I'm riding it. On the flipside, I hear thunders are the opposite. So what the frick should I do people?!?!?!?!
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What wheelbase are your previous boards? You sure you set on a 15 in wheelbase? Do you skate transition?
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I never looked at wheelbase when riding my previous boards. I tried looking for the wheelbase of my last board which was this pink Real James hardy board but It's older and i can't find it anywhere online let alone the specs. I try to skate everything but I would like to improve my flatground game a lot. My reasoning behind the 15 inch wheel base size is that I'm a tall guy and I heard a longer wheelbase would improve my center of gravity a bit more.
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Most boards have a wheelbase between 14 and 14.75 inches, with the normal being about 14.25 - 14.38 ish. 15 inches is very long, it could get quite tedious for flatground. I'm a lot taller than you and I find that 14.75 is as long as I'm willing to go. While a longer wheelbase is undoubtedly more stable, it also takes a lot more effort to spin/flip etc. I would recommend you find something along the lines of a 14.75 ish wheelbase board, see if you like that, and if you do, either stick with it or then try 15 inches. Going from a standard wheelbase to 15 inches is a pretty drastic change, and could throw you off quite a bit.
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Fair enough I'll look for another substitute. My problem is  I'm a heavier dude and I want something to last a while and the Powell flight boards that are my size are both 15 inch wheelbase sizes. It seems to be the only board with technology that isn't a gimmick. I was thinking that getting ace trucks could kind of diminish the wheelbase size of the board as I've heard people say they give the board a shorter feel. Idk.
[close]

It's true, aces to diminish wheelbase, but the effect trucks have on wheelbase, unless you change from polar opposites like from Thunder to Ace/Theeve, is minimal. So aces plus the powell could actually however work with the powell 15 inch wheelbase board, making it a bit more manageable, like a 14.8 inch wheelbase board or something (don't quote me, just a random guess). So in a sense it would balance out a bit while still having a far longer than usual wheelbase.
[close]

I hope so. Like i said, i don't have a lot of options being a bigger guy and i hate getting mushy boards after the first week of skating so for right now powell flight boards seem to be my best bet. I'll just have to take a chance and see if can still keep my flatground game with a 15 inch wheelbase board with aces.
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What trucks are you riding now?
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i'm riding 149 indys right now

I just measured two of my setups. Both 14.5" wheelbase boards. Other with Indy 149s and other with Ace 44s. The real wheelbase of the Indy setup is 446 mm and the one with Aces has a 439 mm wheelbase. So, that's a 7 mm difference. 0.28" Pretty small, but I guess it's not insignificant as I feel like I can definitely notice a difference between 14.25" and 14.5" wheelbase boards. Maybe I should be getting boards that have an even longer wheelbase to pair with the Aces. 🤔

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Italianshredder96 on March 19, 2018, 07:38:14 AM
The truck madness has become for me.

I have thunder 148 team hollow with bones medium with both washers (without the geometry of the truck is slightly off) on a real full se 8.38 and Krux 8.5 stock on a real 8.38 full (I measured and it's definitely an 8.5).

I realized that thunder extend your web by 3 inches and Krux by 2.75.

Mixing up I finally realised 17.375...it kinda works.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on March 19, 2018, 10:09:13 AM
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So I think I'm going to pull the trigger on getting an 8.75 Powell flight board. Not the biggest fan of Powell but I'm a bigger guy (6'1, 250 lbs) and from what I hear it's the only board with technology that's not a complete gimmick when it comes to a board last longer and retaining it's stiffness. I just recently started learning about wheelbase sizes and how a taller guy like me might want a larger wheelbase size and this board coincidentally has a 15 inch wheelbase.

My question is what would be the best brand of trucks that would compliment the wheelbase size and not render it's size useless. From what I hear certain truck brands can make the wheelbase smaller because of the shape of the truck. I was really interested in trying ACE trucks but a lot of people say this will make my wheelbase size feel shorter when I'm riding it. On the flipside, I hear thunders are the opposite. So what the frick should I do people?!?!?!?!
[close]

What wheelbase are your previous boards? You sure you set on a 15 in wheelbase? Do you skate transition?
[close]

I never looked at wheelbase when riding my previous boards. I tried looking for the wheelbase of my last board which was this pink Real James hardy board but It's older and i can't find it anywhere online let alone the specs. I try to skate everything but I would like to improve my flatground game a lot. My reasoning behind the 15 inch wheel base size is that I'm a tall guy and I heard a longer wheelbase would improve my center of gravity a bit more.
[close]

Most boards have a wheelbase between 14 and 14.75 inches, with the normal being about 14.25 - 14.38 ish. 15 inches is very long, it could get quite tedious for flatground. I'm a lot taller than you and I find that 14.75 is as long as I'm willing to go. While a longer wheelbase is undoubtedly more stable, it also takes a lot more effort to spin/flip etc. I would recommend you find something along the lines of a 14.75 ish wheelbase board, see if you like that, and if you do, either stick with it or then try 15 inches. Going from a standard wheelbase to 15 inches is a pretty drastic change, and could throw you off quite a bit.
[close]

Fair enough I'll look for another substitute. My problem is  I'm a heavier dude and I want something to last a while and the Powell flight boards that are my size are both 15 inch wheelbase sizes. It seems to be the only board with technology that isn't a gimmick. I was thinking that getting ace trucks could kind of diminish the wheelbase size of the board as I've heard people say they give the board a shorter feel. Idk.
[close]

It's true, aces to diminish wheelbase, but the effect trucks have on wheelbase, unless you change from polar opposites like from Thunder to Ace/Theeve, is minimal. So aces plus the powell could actually however work with the powell 15 inch wheelbase board, making it a bit more manageable, like a 14.8 inch wheelbase board or something (don't quote me, just a random guess). So in a sense it would balance out a bit while still having a far longer than usual wheelbase.
[close]

I hope so. Like i said, i don't have a lot of options being a bigger guy and i hate getting mushy boards after the first week of skating so for right now powell flight boards seem to be my best bet. I'll just have to take a chance and see if can still keep my flatground game with a 15 inch wheelbase board with aces.
[close]

What trucks are you riding now?
[close]

i'm riding 149 indys right now
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I just measured two of my setups. Both 14.5" wheelbase boards. Other with Indy 149s and other with Ace 44s. The real wheelbase of the Indy setup is 446 mm and the one with Aces has a 439 mm wheelbase. So, that's a 7 mm difference. 0.28" Pretty small, but I guess it's not insignificant as I feel like I can definitely notice a difference between 14.25" and 14.5" wheelbase boards. Maybe I should be getting boards that have an even longer wheelbase to pair with the Aces. 🤔

But when you factor in turning radius- you can't really compare wheelbases like this... Thunder push the axles out but they turn tighter. You're all losing your minds.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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So I think I'm going to pull the trigger on getting an 8.75 Powell flight board. Not the biggest fan of Powell but I'm a bigger guy (6'1, 250 lbs) and from what I hear it's the only board with technology that's not a complete gimmick when it comes to a board last longer and retaining it's stiffness. I just recently started learning about wheelbase sizes and how a taller guy like me might want a larger wheelbase size and this board coincidentally has a 15 inch wheelbase.

My question is what would be the best brand of trucks that would compliment the wheelbase size and not render it's size useless. From what I hear certain truck brands can make the wheelbase smaller because of the shape of the truck. I was really interested in trying ACE trucks but a lot of people say this will make my wheelbase size feel shorter when I'm riding it. On the flipside, I hear thunders are the opposite. So what the frick should I do people?!?!?!?!
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What wheelbase are your previous boards? You sure you set on a 15 in wheelbase? Do you skate transition?
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I never looked at wheelbase when riding my previous boards. I tried looking for the wheelbase of my last board which was this pink Real James hardy board but It's older and i can't find it anywhere online let alone the specs. I try to skate everything but I would like to improve my flatground game a lot. My reasoning behind the 15 inch wheel base size is that I'm a tall guy and I heard a longer wheelbase would improve my center of gravity a bit more.
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Most boards have a wheelbase between 14 and 14.75 inches, with the normal being about 14.25 - 14.38 ish. 15 inches is very long, it could get quite tedious for flatground. I'm a lot taller than you and I find that 14.75 is as long as I'm willing to go. While a longer wheelbase is undoubtedly more stable, it also takes a lot more effort to spin/flip etc. I would recommend you find something along the lines of a 14.75 ish wheelbase board, see if you like that, and if you do, either stick with it or then try 15 inches. Going from a standard wheelbase to 15 inches is a pretty drastic change, and could throw you off quite a bit.
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Fair enough I'll look for another substitute. My problem is  I'm a heavier dude and I want something to last a while and the Powell flight boards that are my size are both 15 inch wheelbase sizes. It seems to be the only board with technology that isn't a gimmick. I was thinking that getting ace trucks could kind of diminish the wheelbase size of the board as I've heard people say they give the board a shorter feel. Idk.
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It's true, aces to diminish wheelbase, but the effect trucks have on wheelbase, unless you change from polar opposites like from Thunder to Ace/Theeve, is minimal. So aces plus the powell could actually however work with the powell 15 inch wheelbase board, making it a bit more manageable, like a 14.8 inch wheelbase board or something (don't quote me, just a random guess). So in a sense it would balance out a bit while still having a far longer than usual wheelbase.
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I hope so. Like i said, i don't have a lot of options being a bigger guy and i hate getting mushy boards after the first week of skating so for right now powell flight boards seem to be my best bet. I'll just have to take a chance and see if can still keep my flatground game with a 15 inch wheelbase board with aces.
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What trucks are you riding now?
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i'm riding 149 indys right now
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I just measured two of my setups. Both 14.5" wheelbase boards. Other with Indy 149s and other with Ace 44s. The real wheelbase of the Indy setup is 446 mm and the one with Aces has a 439 mm wheelbase. So, that's a 7 mm difference. 0.28" Pretty small, but I guess it's not insignificant as I feel like I can definitely notice a difference between 14.25" and 14.5" wheelbase boards. Maybe I should be getting boards that have an even longer wheelbase to pair with the Aces. 🤔
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But when you factor in turning radius- you can't really compare wheelbases like this... Thunder push the axles out but they turn tighter. You're all losing your minds.

Exactly. My “problem” is that I hate short boards. 15” wb with Indys is a bit long though (or maybe it’s the fact that it’s a clunky 8.9” board with 60 mm cruiser wheels and risers). 14.5” wb with Aces is alright but somehow I feel a bit longer might be better. Maybe not 15” but maybe 14.75” or 14.62” like the Real 8.38” full has. Or maybe Ventures with a 14.5” wb board. I just like how Aces perform much better than Indys or Ventures, so I’d rather make them work. 🤔

The craze is strong but it’s all good fun to me still. Hopefully I’ll never reach rob levels of madness. 😊
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on March 19, 2018, 11:36:56 AM
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Okay so the soft metal on the ace trucks takes almost no time to get use to

They’re actually really nice trucks

Compared to Indy they don’t turn as smoothly but they do carve as much but in turn for smooth they react quick like a thunder and act stable like a thunder

They feel nice for tre flips and feel type tricks but straight tricks like kick flips and heel flips take some adjusting

Overall in my opinion I like them a lot, might go back to Indy though cause idk, Indy’s feel great out the gate even when you aren’t warmed up and stretched Indy just flow but we’ll see, these ace aren’t bad at all. Definitely top 3

The ace feel like a carvy turny thunder, to me, And this is with the stock bushings which if you didn’t see in the ace trucks thread it’s a different Duro top and bottom stock they got going on
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You know.. I never thought I'd say this, but I totally wholeheartedly agree with this.

I have amazing kickflips with Thunders, but I can't seem to figure them out decently with Ace's. When I do them often times I end up turning frontside.
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Thanks for knowing too mongoloid, I know what I’m feeling can’t be just me even if I am considered the crazy guy on this thread and the whole message boards.

Yeah, you definitely nailed it with that assessment. I hate that I have multiple setups with different gear for different purposes. Ever since picking up the board again every little gear nuance makes a noticeable difference in every aspect of skating for me. Back in the day I could skate nearly anything interchangeably (skate trucks from lows to highs, 7.5” - 8” decks, 50mm - 56mm wheels) and there would be zero difference in my ability. Now that’s definitely not at all the case.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on March 19, 2018, 12:23:31 PM
perfect fit shoes madness is in my brain too now, thanks rob ! ;)
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Okay so the soft metal on the ace trucks takes almost no time to get use to

They’re actually really nice trucks

Compared to Indy they don’t turn as smoothly but they do carve as much but in turn for smooth they react quick like a thunder and act stable like a thunder

They feel nice for tre flips and feel type tricks but straight tricks like kick flips and heel flips take some adjusting

Overall in my opinion I like them a lot, might go back to Indy though cause idk, Indy’s feel great out the gate even when you aren’t warmed up and stretched Indy just flow but we’ll see, these ace aren’t bad at all. Definitely top 3

The ace feel like a carvy turny thunder, to me, And this is with the stock bushings which if you didn’t see in the ace trucks thread it’s a different Duro top and bottom stock they got going on
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You know.. I never thought I'd say this, but I totally wholeheartedly agree with this.

I have amazing kickflips with Thunders, but I can't seem to figure them out decently with Ace's. When I do them often times I end up turning frontside.
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Thanks for knowing too mongoloid, I know what I’m feeling can’t be just me even if I am considered the crazy guy on this thread and the whole message boards.
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Yeah, you definitely nailed it with that assessment. I hate that I have multiple setups with different gear for different purposes. Ever since picking up the board again every little gear nuance makes a noticeable difference in every aspect of skating for me. Back in the day I could skate nearly anything interchangeably (skate trucks from lows to highs, 7.5” - 8” decks, 50mm - 56mm wheels) and there would be zero difference in my ability. Now that’s definitely not at all the case.

Haha I think it’s just something that happens as you grow with and into your passions, like I’m sure tennis players as kids didn’t care about whatever tennis gear is when they were young they just wanna play and will pick up any racket or whatever it is they call it.

 I use to be the same not caring just borrowing one of many of my friends setups if I forgot my board and just skated it cause fun but I think it’s cause In the early days we all don’t have an adjusted style

we all probably in our glory days had off styles that weren’t about how to do the tricks properly and with finesse and style but just to land trick after trick and put it in our abd list to tell others

Quote from: the snake on March 19, 2018, 12:23:31 PM
perfect fit shoes madness is in my brain too now, thanks rob ! ;)

Ahaha my bad, it really is a big deal in my opinion to just have the right fit snug shoes

Not snug cramping your toes but close, I feel having a comfy snug shoe for skating is like having snug gloves for doing precise things with your hands

You have greater control and feel for things when it’s snug compared to a sorta loose roomy toe shoe that gives you that off feeling and slip of the flick moment that embarrasses you at the skatePark in a game of skate against some groms sloppy no pop kickflip and you think to yourself how did you mess up on a kickfliP

On a good note these ace classic 44 take some getting use to but damn they are great trucks, gonna keep skating them

Sorry indy, maybe next setup
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on March 21, 2018, 04:38:48 AM
What hardness are the purple bushings in regular Venture 5.25 high these days? DLX distribution I think.

On a fresh pair, real good but sometimes want an extra bit of late compress turn in pools. Not sure whether to experiment with harder or softer.... I ride... medium-tight? No flippy-floppy and probably tighter than I used to since getting back into it this year (I'm 43 lol).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on March 21, 2018, 04:42:12 AM
Shoe madness is the real killer for life... trying to transition from well worn Accel OG's and remembering leading foot a bit thinner than back, always get a shifting/gappy feel at some point soon as that initial suede stiff support lapses.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 21, 2018, 02:22:46 PM
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perfect fit shoes madness is in my brain too now, thanks rob ! ;)

Thankfully this one is easy, Nike, DC and Most non-pro vans fit me perfectly (wide toe box) and no jamming my foot towards the front due to my foot sliding forward, something The Kwalks do to me.

Everything else out there is too narrow.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on March 21, 2018, 07:06:35 PM
If you go back on Ronnie Creager's Instagram he has a bunch of picks of Pro's setups with detailed descriptions of which part, what size etc.  Good stuff to nerd out over.

https://www.instagram.com/p/ZA6UCDpOQg/?hl=en&taken-by=ronniecreager
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FS-OverKOOK on March 21, 2018, 10:38:03 PM
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If you go back on Ronnie Creager's Instagram he has a bunch of picks of Pro's setups with detailed descriptions of which part, what size etc.  Good stuff to nerd out over.

https://www.instagram.com/p/ZA6UCDpOQg/?hl=en&taken-by=ronniecreager
so he's saying its a 8.25 with 139s and it appears that the axle is wider than the deck?? I'm guessing those are 149s. I have 149s on a 8.5 and the axle is slightly under the deck and with a 8.25 I would guess the axle would slightly protrude.
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Post by: drinny on March 24, 2018, 02:45:19 AM
Reckon the wheels are flush, perfect IMO just the angle making them look over. I never get why so many ride with a board way overhanging tiny trucks.... Maybe a magic carpet feeling or enjoy the sensation of losing all grip on sharp turns :/

Either way as someone else said upthread Venture need to make those 5.8 v-hollows exist again. Raw please (graphics on trucks so off-putting).
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Post by: the snake on March 24, 2018, 02:51:37 AM
that pic screams 149s for sure
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Post by: rob on March 27, 2018, 06:16:27 PM
Watch out guys, looks like tensor made a new truck that’s basically to me looks like a taller thunder(hangar shape) with Indy style baseplates(the front and how it sticks out for slides) and thunder style bushings

As much as you think ima try a set, nahhhh

I’m hooked on the ace/indy train
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: micky682 on March 28, 2018, 06:57:08 AM
This winter is messing with my bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on March 28, 2018, 09:14:09 PM
The longer I have been on SLAP the wider my set-up has become. Side effect? Anyway, I have an 8" set up with stage 9 139 Indy's that I really don't want to skate anymore, but I wanted to see if the base plate could be used on my stage 11 149 hanger for my 8.5 to lighten the load a tad. Sure enough, the stage 11 hanger fits perfectly on the stage 9 base plate. Also, the stage 11 base plate with stage 9 hanger measures exactly 53.5, which indicates to me that the additional height in the Stage 11 comes from the hanger. Also, was reading skateboardingismylifetimesport and one of the guys was raving about mini logo trucks and said they only measure 47.5. This seems crazy low, but maybe the added balance of a lower truck would actually cause less wheel bite even though the wheels are closer to the board. Anyone into mini logo trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 28, 2018, 10:04:54 PM
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Watch out guys, looks like tensor made a new truck that’s basically to me looks like a taller thunder(hangar shape) with Indy style baseplates(the front and how it sticks out for slides) and thunder style bushings

As much as you think ima try a set, nahhhh

I’m hooked on the ace/indy train

they doing it in magnesium? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on March 28, 2018, 11:42:43 PM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on March 28, 2018, 09:14:09 PM
The longer I have been on SLAP the wider my set-up has become. Side effect? Anyway, I have an 8" set up with stage 9 139 Indy's that I really don't want to skate anymore, but I wanted to see if the base plate could be used on my stage 11 149 hanger for my 8.5 to lighten the load a tad. Sure enough, the stage 11 hanger fits perfectly on the stage 9 base plate. Also, the stage 11 base plate with stage 9 hanger measures exactly 53.5, which indicates to me that the additional height in the Stage 11 comes from the hanger. Also, was reading skateboardingismylifetimesport and one of the guys was raving about mini logo trucks and said they only measure 47.5. This seems crazy low, but maybe the added balance of a lower truck would actually cause less wheel bite even though the wheels are closer to the board. Anyone into mini logo trucks?

On my 8” mini logos I use up to a 52 wheel and am ok with the wheel bite. On my 8.38 I am running 55s and have risers bringing them up to 53.2 mm. I prefer them to my Indys. The grind is smoother and the angle at the edge of the hanger does help lock in.

I have  ML 8 and 8.38,   Indy stage 8 146 and 11 159 hollow, thunder 147 hollow light, royal 5.5 inverted and G&S currently built up. Favorite is ML 8.38. They could use a little more kingpin clearance, but that’s my only beef.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 29, 2018, 12:27:05 AM
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The longer I have been on SLAP the wider my set-up has become. Side effect? Anyway, I have an 8" set up with stage 9 139 Indy's that I really don't want to skate anymore, but I wanted to see if the base plate could be used on my stage 11 149 hanger for my 8.5 to lighten the load a tad. Sure enough, the stage 11 hanger fits perfectly on the stage 9 base plate. Also, the stage 11 base plate with stage 9 hanger measures exactly 53.5, which indicates to me that the additional height in the Stage 11 comes from the hanger. Also, was reading skateboardingismylifetimesport and one of the guys was raving about mini logo trucks and said they only measure 47.5. This seems crazy low, but maybe the added balance of a lower truck would actually cause less wheel bite even though the wheels are closer to the board. Anyone into mini logo trucks?

Haven’t ridden my sets in a while(have the 8” and 8.38”) but last I remember they felt niceeeee, just I didn’t like how they weren’t solid cause of the hollowed out baseplate making it such an adjustment for me on manuals, but they are definitely worth a try especially for the price. They are excellent beginner price point trucks. They have control like a thunder but carve almost like an Indy it’s crazy, the lower center of gravity does help with flat ground a lot

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Watch out guys, looks like tensor made a new truck that’s basically to me looks like a taller thunder(hangar shape) with Indy style baseplates(the front and how it sticks out for slides) and thunder style bushings

As much as you think ima try a set, nahhhh

I’m hooked on the ace/indy train
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they doing it in magnesium? 

Ahaha yeah as usual, the tensor standard is magnesium over titanium



Also I know I asked this before but seriously, which side of the barrel bushings should touch the hangar? The flat sharp edge side with rings on the surface or the smooth round edged flat side?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 29, 2018, 04:47:03 AM
Info on the new tesnors - https://tensortrucks.com/

Reinforced hanger, same height as standard Indy's, revised geometry, etc.  People hate on tensors but their quality is top notch since they released the 10's
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on March 29, 2018, 05:49:40 AM
Look weird (ok less weird than previously, but at least that was an identity....) mix of not-quite Thunder/Venture/misc.

I'd be curious to see them in real life, at least they do a full wide range. Wonder what the wheelbase is like compared to V's
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on March 29, 2018, 05:50:00 AM
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The longer I have been on SLAP the wider my set-up has become. Side effect? Anyway, I have an 8" set up with stage 9 139 Indy's that I really don't want to skate anymore, but I wanted to see if the base plate could be used on my stage 11 149 hanger for my 8.5 to lighten the load a tad. Sure enough, the stage 11 hanger fits perfectly on the stage 9 base plate. Also, the stage 11 base plate with stage 9 hanger measures exactly 53.5, which indicates to me that the additional height in the Stage 11 comes from the hanger. Also, was reading skateboardingismylifetimesport and one of the guys was raving about mini logo trucks and said they only measure 47.5. This seems crazy low, but maybe the added balance of a lower truck would actually cause less wheel bite even though the wheels are closer to the board. Anyone into mini logo trucks?

Rob is the Bubblegum Tate of trucks...
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Haven’t ridden my sets in a while(have the 8” and 8.38”) but last I remember they felt niceeeee, just I didn’t like how they weren’t solid cause of the hollowed out baseplate making it such an adjustment for me on manuals, but they are definitely worth a try especially for the price. They are excellent beginner price point trucks. They have control like a thunder but carve almost like an Indy it’s crazy, the lower center of gravity does help with flat ground a lot

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Watch out guys, looks like tensor made a new truck that’s basically to me looks like a taller thunder(hangar shape) with Indy style baseplates(the front and how it sticks out for slides) and thunder style bushings

As much as you think ima try a set, nahhhh

I’m hooked on the ace/indy train
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they doing it in magnesium? 
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Ahaha yeah as usual, the tensor standard is magnesium over titanium



Also I know I asked this before but seriously, which side of the barrel bushings should touch the hangar? The flat sharp edge side with rings on the surface or the smooth round edged flat side?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: schralp pal on March 29, 2018, 10:19:25 AM
This is funny

http://quartersnacks.com/2018/03/branding-masterclass-trucks/#more-39594
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 29, 2018, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 29, 2018, 04:47:03 AM
Info on the new tesnors - https://tensortrucks.com/

Reinforced hanger, same height as standard Indy's, revised geometry, etc.  People hate on tensors but their quality is top notch since they released the 10's

I can't front these are actually kind of interesting, although they still kind of have that "wal-mart board" look to them.

Kind of maddening that TENSOR of all brands can afford to make hollow axle/kingpin trucks for the 8.25-8.5+ range but Venture won't. They bullshitting.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 29, 2018, 09:37:35 PM
I never dreamt the day would come that Tensor would get thrown in the mix of a new truck to try out to satisfy the madness. Not visually appealing but the turning geometry, height, and bushings are. Think they’ll turn like an ace???
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: RumpelFoarskin on March 30, 2018, 12:12:52 AM
They've had trucks other than lows for a minute now but nobody ever took the time to try them. Ive been skating these new high ones in 151 size for about two weeks. They turn more like a venture does, stable and precise. They extend your wheelbase but not quiet as much as ventures do, like in between thunder and venture. They are extremely light but the magnesium ones are a little more unforgiving and "tin" sounding. You can really feel the surface you are skating on they don't dampen very much. The magnesium slides and grinds really well its really fun, especially to slappy curbs and such or slappy crooked grinds. They wear down about three times as fast as normal trucks and are expensive, but they are a legitimately unique experience. It would be difficult to skate mag ones all the time you would need new trucks about every month or two. I haven't tried the aluminum ones. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 30, 2018, 10:33:06 AM
Quote from: RumpelFoarskin on March 30, 2018, 12:12:52 AM
They've had trucks other than lows for a minute now but nobody ever took the time to try them. Ive been skating these new high ones in 151 size for about two weeks. They turn more like a venture does, stable and precise. They extend your wheelbase but not quiet as much as ventures do, like in between thunder and venture. They are extremely light but the magnesium ones are a little more unforgiving and "tin" sounding. You can really feel the surface you are skating on they don't dampen very much. The magnesium slides and grinds really well its really fun, especially to slappy curbs and such or slappy crooked grinds. They wear down about three times as fast as normal trucks and are expensive, but they are a legitimately unique experience. It would be difficult to skate mag ones all the time you would need new trucks about every month or two. I haven't tried the aluminum ones.

How do you ride, tight or loose?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on March 30, 2018, 11:28:40 AM
Quote from: RumpelFoarskin on March 30, 2018, 12:12:52 AM
They've had trucks other than lows for a minute now but nobody ever took the time to try them. Ive been skating these new high ones in 151 size for about two weeks. They turn more like a venture does, stable and precise. They extend your wheelbase but not quiet as much as ventures do, like in between thunder and venture. They are extremely light but the magnesium ones are a little more unforgiving and "tin" sounding. You can really feel the surface you are skating on they don't dampen very much. The magnesium slides and grinds really well its really fun, especially to slappy curbs and such or slappy crooked grinds. They wear down about three times as fast as normal trucks and are expensive, but they are a legitimately unique experience. It would be difficult to skate mag ones all the time you would need new trucks about every month or two. I haven't tried the aluminum ones.
Look at the axle is in comparison to where the baseplate holes are. They do not extend the wheelbase.  Tensors were always some of the shortest when it came to wheelbase deviation, shorter than indy at least.  He probably doesn't have them, and has no idea what he's talking about.
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 30, 2018, 01:21:46 PM
I'm sure they've changed but Rodney engineered the truck not to carve...but to provide some lateral movement for balance.....I remember Haslam skating the hi's and being way more stoked when he got on Indy in how they turned.....we can talk about this...but it's just madness.....I guess though if you are looking for light trucks that grind great...these could be the ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: RumpelFoarskin on March 30, 2018, 01:49:24 PM
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They've had trucks other than lows for a minute now but nobody ever took the time to try them. Ive been skating these new high ones in 151 size for about two weeks. They turn more like a venture does, stable and precise. They extend your wheelbase but not quiet as much as ventures do, like in between thunder and venture. They are extremely light but the magnesium ones are a little more unforgiving and "tin" sounding. You can really feel the surface you are skating on they don't dampen very much. The magnesium slides and grinds really well its really fun, especially to slappy curbs and such or slappy crooked grinds. They wear down about three times as fast as normal trucks and are expensive, but they are a legitimately unique experience. It would be difficult to skate mag ones all the time you would need new trucks about every month or two. I haven't tried the aluminum ones.
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Look at the axle is in comparison to where the baseplate holes are. They do not extend the wheelbase.  Tensors were always some of the shortest when it came to wheelbase deviation, shorter than indy at least.  He probably doesn't have them, and has no idea what he's talking about.
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I always skated the tensor regs, I pre ordered these in November when they announced them to shops. They came in mid March. Been skating them for two weeks now. They turn similar to ventures in my opinion. Maybe they don’t extend the wheelbase I could be wrong, but they feel similar to ventures they are not at all surfy like ace or like Indy. Buy them and try them and feel free to form your own opinion. In that photo the axle is forward towards the front mounting holes, so do you know what you are talking about?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: RumpelFoarskin on March 30, 2018, 04:39:51 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 30, 2018, 10:33:06 AM
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They've had trucks other than lows for a minute now but nobody ever took the time to try them. Ive been skating these new high ones in 151 size for about two weeks. They turn more like a venture does, stable and precise. They extend your wheelbase but not quiet as much as ventures do, like in between thunder and venture. They are extremely light but the magnesium ones are a little more unforgiving and "tin" sounding. You can really feel the surface you are skating on they don't dampen very much. The magnesium slides and grinds really well its really fun, especially to slappy curbs and such or slappy crooked grinds. They wear down about three times as fast as normal trucks and are expensive, but they are a legitimately unique experience. It would be difficult to skate mag ones all the time you would need new trucks about every month or two. I haven't tried the aluminum ones.
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How do you ride, tight or loose?
Medium-loose, but I am 210lbs. I’m using the stock bushings with bones top washers instead of regular washers. The stock bushings are pretty stiff but perfect for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 31, 2018, 01:56:58 AM
I’ve had both the low and reg 10’s aluminum

They’re not good trucks, trust me

Quote from: j....soy..... on March 30, 2018, 01:21:46 PM
I'm sure they've changed but Rodney engineered the truck not to carve...but to provide some lateral movement for balance.....I remember Haslam skating the hi's and being way more stoked when he got on Indy in how they turned.....we can talk about this...but it's just madness.....I guess though if you are looking for light trucks that grind great...these could be the ones.

I can tell why, I swapped the tensor Regs back to my indy standard stg11 144 and damn it was a dream, free feeling carvy turning

The tensor aren’t that bad but they are definitely not good, I don’t get how zered rips riding them. Maybe cause the bones bushings make it a tad more bearable

I can’t decide between ace or Indy but so far I kinda like how Indy’s feel more smooth and solid, the ace were rockin but idk...I kinda miss the way the latest indy turn but I love the way ace feel, they feel so classic working trucks that just do what they were meant for, skating and tricks

But yeah, Indy’s feel better for rolling around free roaming here and there
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 31, 2018, 07:56:05 AM
Yah someone mentioned that Tensors turn kinda like ventures.....I could see that for sure.  I sort of judge how trucks turn based on just carving around on street and a frontside carve in a bowled corner...

Indy is just a good stable predictable turn....it's a nice broad circle....Ace's are nice and stable and then they hook sharply....that's why I say they are the opposites of thunders which turn sharply then bottom out.  Aces are super fun though....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: doublesteveburger on April 02, 2018, 07:57:52 PM
Been skating thunders for about a two months now and never had I had trucks cause wheelbite more than these things. Straight to my wrists every time, such a pain in the ass. Can't wait to get a pair of indy's again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on April 02, 2018, 10:52:39 PM
Quote from: doublesteveburger on April 02, 2018, 07:57:52 PM
Been skating thunders for about a two months now and never had I had trucks cause wheelbite more than these things. Straight to my wrists every time, such a pain in the ass. Can't wait to get a pair of indy's again.

kinda interesting to see someone on here who doesn’t like thunders. I don’t like them either but have kept mum about it. they seem to not turn at all and then suddenly jerk to the side. that’s thunder “stability” and “turn.” I prefer even krux over thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 02, 2018, 11:18:56 PM
stick some risers on them?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on April 03, 2018, 02:51:28 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on April 02, 2018, 10:52:39 PM
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Been skating thunders for about a two months now and never had I had trucks cause wheelbite more than these things. Straight to my wrists every time, such a pain in the ass. Can't wait to get a pair of indy's again.
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kinda interesting to see someone on here who doesn’t like thunders. I don’t like them either but have kept mum about it. they seem to not turn at all and then suddenly jerk to the side. that’s thunder “stability” and “turn.” I prefer even krux over thunders.
Count me in too, never liked thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on April 03, 2018, 03:03:42 AM
i've been running these thunders for for a few years now, right now got em on with some spits that are probably 52mm and i still get wheelbite with risers but ive just never really bothered to sort it out. i could probably do with a new set of trucks but something in my head makes me want to stick with these fucking wheelbite prone, fucked up rear kingpin, rear hanger axle groove, cracks in the hangars, axle threads completely fucking destroyed piece of shit thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on April 03, 2018, 05:37:33 AM
Anyone ever skate older Thunders from the mid to late 90’s after they didn’t look the same as Indy stage 7’s and finally took their own shape? How was the turn compared to the latest Thunder geometry? Still really low with a lot of wheelbite?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: se7en3two on April 03, 2018, 08:21:23 AM
Quote from: doublesteveburger on April 02, 2018, 07:57:52 PM
Been skating thunders for about a two months now and never had I had trucks cause wheelbite more than these things. Straight to my wrists every time, such a pain in the ass. Can't wait to get a pair of indy's again.

Standard Thunders or team baseplates?

I just picked up a set of Thunder Team Hollow 148's to kill my curiosity... Had been skating Stnd Indy 144's.

I feel like something a tad lower and lighter would be nice... I ride a loose setup with 52's, so I'l report back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on April 03, 2018, 08:26:38 AM
Quote from: micky682 on March 28, 2018, 06:57:08 AM
This winter is messing with my bushings.

After january I stopped going outside, right now I'm not skating unless the sun is out!

Because of this winter I have two warped decks. One of them I barely even got to skate :(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on April 03, 2018, 08:38:21 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on April 02, 2018, 10:52:39 PM
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Been skating thunders for about a two months now and never had I had trucks cause wheelbite more than these things. Straight to my wrists every time, such a pain in the ass. Can't wait to get a pair of indy's again.
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kinda interesting to see someone on here who doesn’t like thunders. I don’t like them either but have kept mum about it. they seem to not turn at all and then suddenly jerk to the side. that’s thunder “stability” and “turn.” I prefer even krux over thunders.

I like thunders, but sometimes I feel like they're kind of unpredictable. They've bit me in the ass more times than any other truck. I do think they feel stable, and I don't mind the turn.. But they have a weird thing that happens where they turn so quick that you can get chucked at the oddest moments.

I don't remember if I talked about it before, but twice I've been thrown for seemingly no reason. Just pushing or riding along, and next thing I know I'm upside down looking up at the sky..

I like thunders enough that I still ride them (They need to be the highest model, with harder bushings than stock, that's the only way I can ride them), but I also keep three other setups with indys too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 03, 2018, 10:11:27 AM
I can see the wheelbite being annoying is fair ball.....nothing worse than landing a decent kickflip and getting bucked for landing a bit too much heel or toe....

I've got the bug of wanting the current standard issue ie. 8.25....the tih's not grinding is starting to annoy me and I think I'm over getting axel slip again. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 03, 2018, 11:29:21 AM
I tend to get wheelbite no matter what I'm riding but it's way worse on Thunders; used to ride the old 149s that were really low, very loose with 53mm wheels and it was wheelbite for fucking days, not much has changed even with that WHOPPING 1mm diff from the cast plates and still riding 53mm ;)

It's why I went to ACE/theeve in the first place. Oddly, ACE being so low don't cause as much wheelbite.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: such on April 03, 2018, 02:23:02 PM
anyone skating a smaller truck? ive been skating an 8.25 with 149 trucks for a while now, and while i like the stability i feel like my flips are waaaay slower and i also feel like its harder to stay on top of grinds, especially 50-50s. i know indy has an 8.25 truck, but i dont know if i would even notice a difference between that and 149s, so im thinking of just going down to 139s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: RumpelFoarskin on April 03, 2018, 03:48:17 PM
Quote from: such on April 03, 2018, 02:23:02 PM
anyone skating a smaller truck? ive been skating an 8.25 with 149 trucks for a while now, and while i like the stability i feel like my flips are waaaay slower and i also feel like its harder to stay on top of grinds, especially 50-50s. i know indy has an 8.25 truck, but i dont know if i would even notice a difference between that and 149s, so im thinking of just going down to 139s.
In my opinion from skating both (Im not sure if I know yet what im talking about though, ive been searching so feel free to disregard my posts) you will definitely notice the difference on 8.25. I would stick with 144 unless you are planning on sizing down to 8, if you want to stick with 8.1-8.4 go with 144.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on April 03, 2018, 03:55:01 PM
Quote from: such on April 03, 2018, 02:23:02 PM
anyone skating a smaller truck? ive been skating an 8.25 with 149 trucks for a while now, and while i like the stability i feel like my flips are waaaay slower and i also feel like its harder to stay on top of grinds, especially 50-50s. i know indy has an 8.25 truck, but i dont know if i would even notice a difference between that and 149s, so im thinking of just going down to 139s.


Going down to a stock pair of 139s (ie no extra inner washers, no purposefully wider wheels) is gonna feel magic carpety, 144s are a solid truck.

i've been tossing up bumping from 144 to 149 but i really like how these new indys work out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 03, 2018, 05:43:53 PM
Sounds a bit weird...but I went from a round cut conical type wheel to a straight cut....suddenly.... More truck!  I think less about riding narrower trucks....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 03, 2018, 07:57:59 PM
Oh yeah, wheel shape can effect how you turn

Idk why, but I like the way tensor regs look, I can’t get over them and how hyped I am on Daewon since the beginning and how his setup is and riding tensor, and now I’m also hyped on zered and he’s an east coaster too and his setup and how gnar he is so

I took my hype to life and setup my tensor regs the zered way, spitfire wheels and bones medium bushings and I can see the difference, definitely bones bushings make tensors wayyyyyyy better

And I’m riding them medium loose and it’s feels awesome, not as smooth as ace or Indy but idk...it feels sick! Like the days you wanna mimick your favorite pro cause you finally have something of their product and can skate somewhat like them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 03, 2018, 08:11:38 PM
Quote from: rob on April 03, 2018, 07:57:59 PM
Oh yeah, wheel shape can effect how you turn

Idk why, but I like the way tensor regs look, I can’t get over them and how hyped I am on Daewon since the beginning and how his setup is and riding tensor, and now I’m also hyped on zered and he’s an east coaster too and his setup and how gnar he is so

I took my hype to life and setup my tensor regs the zered way, spitfire wheels and bones medium bushings and I can see the difference, definitely bones bushings make tensors wayyyyyyy better

And I’m riding them medium loose and it’s feels awesome, not as smooth as ace or Indy but idk...it feels sick! Like the days you wanna mimick your favorite pro cause you finally have something of their product and can skate somewhat like them

Pretty sure those dudes can skate anything you give them!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on April 03, 2018, 10:46:48 PM
Can Venture please get on the 8.25 hype and make some 5.5s again?! I'm like goldilocks over here, 5.8s too big, 5.2 too small...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 04, 2018, 12:41:16 AM
Quote from: Xen on April 03, 2018, 08:11:38 PM
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Oh yeah, wheel shape can effect how you turn

Idk why, but I like the way tensor regs look, I can’t get over them and how hyped I am on Daewon since the beginning and how his setup is and riding tensor, and now I’m also hyped on zered and he’s an east coaster too and his setup and how gnar he is so

I took my hype to life and setup my tensor regs the zered way, spitfire wheels and bones medium bushings and I can see the difference, definitely bones bushings make tensors wayyyyyyy better

And I’m riding them medium loose and it’s feels awesome, not as smooth as ace or Indy but idk...it feels sick! Like the days you wanna mimick your favorite pro cause you finally have something of their product and can skate somewhat like them
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Pretty sure those dudes can skate anything you give them!

True, but really though stock tensors are pretty trash

Throw some classic broken in double action bones bushings and the tensors are actually decent and rideable

My backside 180 are actually popped and I can easily pull off a lazy bs 360 where you slide the last 180
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on April 04, 2018, 06:15:58 AM
Quote from: Sad Hippo on April 03, 2018, 10:46:48 PM
Can Venture please get on the 8.25 hype and make some 5.5s again?! I'm like goldilocks over here, 5.8s too big, 5.2 too small...

Feel that. That's odd to me that they don't.

I'm down to 2 setups. Both are the same minus trucks. 8.0 deck, 52 mm Spitfire Bigheads, Swiss bearings. Oh another difference is hardware I guess? One has shorty's 7/8 and other has diamond mike Carroll 7/8. Anywho, I've got Indy standard 139s on one, and Venture lo 5.25s on the other. I quite like them both. Venture are underrated to me, I think they turn ok. I haven't skated them on tranny in years but Wade was a monster on them, before he switched to Indy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on April 04, 2018, 09:00:06 AM
Never knew these existed, circa 2003. They're like quasi bones-bushings w/lower kingpin clearance:

(http://skately.com/img/library/print/large/krux-trucks-colt-cannon-2003.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: roba on April 04, 2018, 01:34:55 PM
Quote from: such on April 03, 2018, 02:23:02 PM
anyone skating a smaller truck? ive been skating an 8.25 with 149 trucks for a while now, and while i like the stability i feel like my flips are waaaay slower and i also feel like its harder to stay on top of grinds, especially 50-50s. i know indy has an 8.25 truck, but i dont know if i would even notice a difference between that and 149s, so im thinking of just going down to 139s.

i skate thunders and i tried both 149s and 147s on 8.25 decks (before the 148s came out) and i definitely liked the 147s more. i also felt like grinds were harder to lock in on the 149s, however i didn't have any problems with flip tricks. i'm skating an antihero 8.5 with 147s right now and they still feel good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on April 04, 2018, 02:02:51 PM
Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on April 03, 2018, 08:38:21 AM
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Been skating thunders for about a two months now and never had I had trucks cause wheelbite more than these things. Straight to my wrists every time, such a pain in the ass. Can't wait to get a pair of indy's again.
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kinda interesting to see someone on here who doesn’t like thunders. I don’t like them either but have kept mum about it. they seem to not turn at all and then suddenly jerk to the side. that’s thunder “stability” and “turn.” I prefer even krux over thunders.
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I like thunders, but sometimes I feel like they're kind of unpredictable. They've bit me in the ass more times than any other truck. I do think they feel stable, and I don't mind the turn.. But they have a weird thing that happens where they turn so quick that you can get chucked at the oddest moments.

I don't remember if I talked about it before, but twice I've been thrown for seemingly no reason. Just pushing or riding along, and next thing I know I'm upside down looking up at the sky..

I like thunders enough that I still ride them (They need to be the highest model, with harder bushings than stock, that's the only way I can ride them), but I also keep three other setups with indys too.

I tried to get on the Thunder Bandwagon too but I like loose-ish trucks and I was getting pitched from wheelbite just carving.



Quote from: Xen on April 03, 2018, 11:29:21 AM
I tend to get wheelbite no matter what I'm riding but it's way worse on Thunders; used to ride the old 149s that were really low, very loose with 53mm wheels and it was wheelbite for fucking days, not much has changed even with that WHOPPING 1mm diff from the cast plates and still riding 53mm ;)

It's why I went to ACE/theeve in the first place. Oddly, ACE being so low don't cause as much wheelbite.



How does Theeve compare to Ace?




Quote from: Sad Hippo on April 03, 2018, 10:46:48 PM
Can Venture please get on the 8.25 hype and make some 5.5s again?! I'm like goldilocks over here, 5.8s too big, 5.2 too small...

Thirded.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: doublesteveburger on April 05, 2018, 06:38:14 AM
Quote from: JusticeAbberdash on April 03, 2018, 08:38:21 AM
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Been skating thunders for about a two months now and never had I had trucks cause wheelbite more than these things. Straight to my wrists every time, such a pain in the ass. Can't wait to get a pair of indy's again.
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kinda interesting to see someone on here who doesn’t like thunders. I don’t like them either but have kept mum about it. they seem to not turn at all and then suddenly jerk to the side. that’s thunder “stability” and “turn.” I prefer even krux over thunders.
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I like thunders, but sometimes I feel like they're kind of unpredictable. They've bit me in the ass more times than any other truck. I do think they feel stable, and I don't mind the turn.. But they have a weird thing that happens where they turn so quick that you can get chucked at the oddest moments.

I don't remember if I talked about it before, but twice I've been thrown for seemingly no reason. Just pushing or riding along, and next thing I know I'm upside down looking up at the sky..

I like thunders enough that I still ride them (They need to be the highest model, with harder bushings than stock, that's the only way I can ride them), but I also keep three other setups with indys too.


quick update: got pitched on the sesh yesterday turning out of a fucking front rock on tranny, over these things.

 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on April 05, 2018, 07:43:38 AM
Venture 5.8 V-Lights over the normal highs? Forged baseplate and hollow kingpin and that's it? Worth it? Same 1.5 mm height difference as forged gives on Indys? Making them 52 mm? 🤔
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on April 05, 2018, 08:06:43 AM
RE Thunders:


I currently have my 147s set up with a 1/10 riser and 51 wheels so my wheel bite isn't too bad. I do get the occasional stop, but I am putting up with it because of the pop.  My ollies on other trucks had been good - no complaints.  I put Thunders on a setup and I found myself getting more height pretty naturally.  Then I stepped on one of my other setups that I have skated plenty and found my timing was off. I can't get the same height I had last month.  Thunders just ollie better for me.  I'll still keep other trucks on boards for pool/transition, but for street I'm going to put up with the wheelbite for now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on April 05, 2018, 08:52:01 AM
Reminds me of what someone said before: "Thunders are good if you're just skating in a straight line."
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on April 05, 2018, 08:54:48 AM
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Can Venture please get on the 8.25 hype and make some 5.5s again?! I'm like goldilocks over here, 5.8s too big, 5.2 too small...
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Thirded.

What size Ventures would a normal person run on an straight 8' deck?

I'm on 5.2's with 7.75 deck, +1 extra inner washer to get my wheels absolutely flush with my board edge (no axles don't stick out, can't see them rolling from above etc.)

Does anyone make thinner axle nuts?? I see these being a thing in my future.... and about 5 washers lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on April 05, 2018, 09:04:41 AM
Quote from: drinny on April 05, 2018, 08:54:48 AM

Does anyone make thinner axle nuts?? I see these being a thing in my future.... and about 5 washers lol

Quick eBay search leads to this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Qty-100-5-16-24-Hex-Jam-Nylon-Insert-Lock-nut-Nylock-Stainless-Steel-Half-Height/162331765168?hash=item25cbba29b0:g:JH4AAOSwux5YXZFG:sc:USPSFirstClass!94110!US!-1

EDIT: Not thinner, just less threads and more nylock
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on April 05, 2018, 09:22:16 AM
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Does anyone make thinner axle nuts?? I see these being a thing in my future.... and about 5 washers lol
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Quick eBay search leads to this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Qty-100-5-16-24-Hex-Jam-Nylon-Insert-Lock-nut-Nylock-Stainless-Steel-Half-Height/162331765168?hash=item25cbba29b0:g:JH4AAOSwux5YXZFG:sc:USPSFirstClass!94110!US!-1

cheers!

anything to avoid buying new trucks lol

I only recently did the washer trick and it's made quite a difference for certain stuff (or placebo).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on April 05, 2018, 09:48:24 AM
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Does anyone make thinner axle nuts?? I see these being a thing in my future.... and about 5 washers lol
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Quick eBay search leads to this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Qty-100-5-16-24-Hex-Jam-Nylon-Insert-Lock-nut-Nylock-Stainless-Steel-Half-Height/162331765168?hash=item25cbba29b0:g:JH4AAOSwux5YXZFG:sc:USPSFirstClass!94110!US!-1
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cheers!

anything to avoid buying new trucks lol

I only recently did the washer trick and it's made quite a difference for certain stuff (or placebo).

I always use enough washers on the inside of my wheel so the nut is flush to the axle. I can't stand having threads showing - mainly because they get fucked up.

I don't know how thin these nuts are compared to regular skate nuts, but if you could get 1/8" per side it would give you the equivalent of 1 size truck up on Thunder or Indy, and give you those in-between sizes for the companies that don't have them.


I did a bit more research and those nuts I linked to on eBay were .265" thick.  I took a caliper to regular skate nuts and measured .255" thick.    The eBay nuts just have more nylock and less threads, but are the same overall thickness.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on April 05, 2018, 10:35:38 AM
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Can Venture please get on the 8.25 hype and make some 5.5s again?! I'm like goldilocks over here, 5.8s too big, 5.2 too small...
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Thirded.
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What size Ventures would a normal person run on an straight 8' deck?

I'm on 5.2's with 7.75 deck, +1 extra inner washer to get my wheels absolutely flush with my board edge (no axles don't stick out, can't see them rolling from above etc.)

Does anyone make thinner axle nuts?? I see these being a thing in my future.... and about 5 washers lol

I ride 5.2s on an 8.06. It feels pretty much flush to me (maybe a tiny bit of board overhang) although your wheels' width could cause some variation.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on April 05, 2018, 05:20:04 PM
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Can Venture please get on the 8.25 hype and make some 5.5s again?! I'm like goldilocks over here, 5.8s too big, 5.2 too small...
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Thirded.
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What size Ventures would a normal person run on an straight 8' deck?

I'm on 5.2's with 7.75 deck, +1 extra inner washer to get my wheels absolutely flush with my board edge (no axles don't stick out, can't see them rolling from above etc.)

Does anyone make thinner axle nuts?? I see these being a thing in my future.... and about 5 washers lol
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I ride 5.2s on an 8.06. It feels pretty much flush to me (maybe a tiny bit of board overhang) although your wheels' width could cause some variation.
I used to ride 5.0's on an 8" board, I liked the little bit of overhang.  5.2's will give you more flush, maybe try those ace 3/8" nuts? I don't know man, I like to keep my axles flush or under, not my wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 05, 2018, 10:15:40 PM
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Been skating thunders for about a two months now and never had I had trucks cause wheelbite more than these things. Straight to my wrists every time, such a pain in the ass. Can't wait to get a pair of indy's again.
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kinda interesting to see someone on here who doesn’t like thunders. I don’t like them either but have kept mum about it. they seem to not turn at all and then suddenly jerk to the side. that’s thunder “stability” and “turn.” I prefer even krux over thunders.
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I like thunders, but sometimes I feel like they're kind of unpredictable. They've bit me in the ass more times than any other truck. I do think they feel stable, and I don't mind the turn.. But they have a weird thing that happens where they turn so quick that you can get chucked at the oddest moments.

I don't remember if I talked about it before, but twice I've been thrown for seemingly no reason. Just pushing or riding along, and next thing I know I'm upside down looking up at the sky..

I like thunders enough that I still ride them (They need to be the highest model, with harder bushings than stock, that's the only way I can ride them), but I also keep three other setups with indys too.
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I tried to get on the Thunder Bandwagon too but I like loose-ish trucks and I was getting pitched from wheelbite just carving.



Quote from: Xen on April 03, 2018, 11:29:21 AM
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I tend to get wheelbite no matter what I'm riding but it's way worse on Thunders; used to ride the old 149s that were really low, very loose with 53mm wheels and it was wheelbite for fucking days, not much has changed even with that WHOPPING 1mm diff from the cast plates and still riding 53mm ;)

It's why I went to ACE/theeve in the first place. Oddly, ACE being so low don't cause as much wheelbite.


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How does Theeve compare to Ace?




Quote from: Sad Hippo on April 03, 2018, 10:46:48 PM
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Can Venture please get on the 8.25 hype and make some 5.5s again?! I'm like goldilocks over here, 5.8s too big, 5.2 too small...
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Thirded.

Theeve are the closest you'll get to ACE (the prototypes ran on ACE plates); they are a bit less turny than ACE and more carvy but stable on center like Thunders); I'm hoping to pick up some 8.5" tiax soon. Honestly, if you can't choose between Indy or Thunder, Theeve or ACE bridge the gap (tho choose ACE if you ride loose/carve and Theeve if you straight-line - they carve great but getting ACEs to go in a straight line take some effort, hard ass bushings and cranking them down to break their turnylove.




Currently riding 8.18" TiKings with bones softs top and bottom and ACEs with 88a indy aftermarket conicals; I can essentially bring both to a session and have no adjustment issues switching boards, something I can't do with either truck and shifting to indy or thunders. That make sense at all? :P
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 05, 2018, 10:57:30 PM
Yah..I say Theeve is between an Indy and an Ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 06, 2018, 01:34:13 AM
Now you guys are making me wanna setup my theeve Tiax to try...
But 8.18 or 8...

Also I feel the broken In ace bushings now, I was riding them like 1-2 threads down then took off the bushings for a day and let them return and spring back to shape and threw them back in but barely flush(almost nylon) and damn they are smooth, but stable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 06, 2018, 04:20:29 AM
I posted this in the Ace thread and some of you might already know but the new stock bushings on the Ace "Classics" are incredible. 

When they redesigned the trucks with a beefier hanger, they came with rock hard bushings that literally took 10+ sessions to break in.  The new soft bottom/harder top bushings feel broken in immediately and have an amazing turn and stability.

I always thought you would want a harder bushing on the bottom but I was wrong.  They nailed it with the new ones
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Horsemeat on April 06, 2018, 05:57:28 AM
Are these the ones? I want to try the new bushings, but just got a pair of one of the older builds.
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=21081
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 06, 2018, 07:57:27 AM
Quote from: Horsemeat on April 06, 2018, 05:57:28 AM
Are these the ones? I want to try the new bushings, but just got a pair of one of the older builds.
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=21081


It's hard to say because SoCal just updates their stock but not the description.   If you want to be safe, order them directly from Ace

https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/accessories/products/ace-stock-bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 06, 2018, 07:58:13 AM
Also, I didn't do a comparison but i think the new top bushing might be a couple MM shorter than the old ones which is also a good thing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on April 06, 2018, 08:19:18 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on April 06, 2018, 04:20:29 AM
I posted this in the Ace thread and some of you might already know but the new stock bushings on the Ace "Classics" are incredible. 

When they redesigned the trucks with a beefier hanger, they came with rock hard bushings that literally took 10+ sessions to break in.  The new soft bottom/harder top bushings feel broken in immediately and have an amazing turn and stability.

I always thought you would want a harder bushing on the bottom but I was wrong.  They nailed it with the new ones

Very true. Nice to have trucks that come with good bushings finally.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 06, 2018, 09:59:18 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on April 06, 2018, 07:58:13 AM
Also, I didn't do a comparison but i think the new top bushing might be a couple MM shorter than the old ones which is also a good thing

Kingpin the same length? I'd imagine with shorter tops there would be more thread exposed? They, like Theeve, have long pins to begin with due to taller bushings (even if they squashout).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Decreed Bratton on April 06, 2018, 10:25:13 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on April 06, 2018, 04:20:29 AM
I posted this in the Ace thread and some of you might already know but the new stock bushings on the Ace "Classics" are incredible. 

When they redesigned the trucks with a beefier hanger, they came with rock hard bushings that literally took 10+ sessions to break in.  The new soft bottom/harder top bushings feel broken in immediately and have an amazing turn and stability.

I always thought you would want a harder bushing on the bottom but I was wrong.  They nailed it with the new ones

Does the beefier hanger make the truck heavier?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 06, 2018, 12:00:27 PM
Quote from: Xen on April 06, 2018, 09:59:18 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on April 06, 2018, 07:58:13 AM
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Also, I didn't do a comparison but i think the new top bushing might be a couple MM shorter than the old ones which is also a good thing
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Kingpin the same length? I'd imagine with shorter tops there would be more thread exposed? They, like Theeve, have long pins to begin with due to taller bushings (even if they squashout).

I think the kingpin is the same length.  my problem with the old bushings is that I would have to really crank them down to get the kingpin flush.  now it's no problem.  I think a lot of people were sanding down the old top bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 06, 2018, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: Decreed Bratton on April 06, 2018, 10:25:13 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on April 06, 2018, 04:20:29 AM
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I posted this in the Ace thread and some of you might already know but the new stock bushings on the Ace "Classics" are incredible. 

When they redesigned the trucks with a beefier hanger, they came with rock hard bushings that literally took 10+ sessions to break in.  The new soft bottom/harder top bushings feel broken in immediately and have an amazing turn and stability.

I always thought you would want a harder bushing on the bottom but I was wrong.  They nailed it with the new ones
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Does the beefier hanger make the truck heavier?

Slightly heavier but if you're skating Ace's, you probably don't care about weight anyway.  After spending a small fortune on titanium trucks, I'm now convinced that weight means absolutely nothing (for my skating at least)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 06, 2018, 02:11:17 PM
That could be the first step....or has the madness just shifted.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 06, 2018, 03:03:52 PM
Weight screws with certain tricks of mine, too light and shit flys away, too heavy and rotations feel wonky. I tend to ride 8.25/8.3 - a 8.3 with ACEs and that shit feel clunky has hell for flippity shit but great for bowls.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 06, 2018, 04:05:18 PM
Quote from: Xen on April 06, 2018, 03:03:52 PM
Weight screws with certain tricks of mine, too light and shit flys away, too heavy and rotations feel wonky. I tend to ride 8.25/8.3 - a 8.3 with ACEs and that shit feel clunky has hell for flippity shit but great for bowls.

Yeah, I just stopped flipping my board.  Problem solved! haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 06, 2018, 10:24:43 PM
I love my ace classic 44, love love love them

They feel literally as the name calls, a classic truck. They’re solid, turn solid, feel solid. They feel like what a standard normal good premium skateboard truck should feel like. Turns but isn’t crazy soft and loose, stable but not tight, and weight is actually good being lighter than Indy’s significantly in my opinion. Flip tricks feel solid on them too, takes a few adjustments but once you get adjusted kickflips feel good, I’ve been catching them bolts too 90% of the time which is usually not common, like 50/50 bolts or tail and middle of board land with other trucks

I skate 8-8.1 decks and was testing trucks as usual skating some flat street doing lines, Ollie up curbs, quick 50-50’s and so far I’d have to say Indy 139 are nice and definitely great but aces are just a tab better. I was getting my bs 360 better with the aces too

Gonna go back and test my thunders with all this thunder talk, I just remember going to the Indy/ace side cause it was true what Ben degros said with the whole wheelbase and teeter totter thing where thunders make it heavier cause of the pushed out wheelbase but maybe they aren’t that bad...I do get better board feel with indy/ace but...

Why did I like them so much before? Also was re watching old batb and seeing Chris cole and Shane O’Neill beating people with such consistency got my goat

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 07, 2018, 06:26:01 PM
Quote from: rob on April 06, 2018, 10:24:43 PM
OCD Rant on trucks v.234312423.0

See you in a week, on indy or thunder ;)

(I feel your pain)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on April 07, 2018, 07:22:56 PM
I think I finally got my Indys (standard 139s) where I need them. Skated earlier in the day and while I enjoyed the turn more with the trucks looser, my tricks felt more luck than skill (not stable landings). So just now, tightened front truck a half rotation and rear a full rotation .. and finally feels pretty good. I wish my turn was a smidge more loose but I like where my kickflips are at now.

(P.s. I still like my Ventures too though! Kickflips feel a smidge better on my Ventures)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 08, 2018, 12:39:46 AM
Quote from: Xen on April 07, 2018, 06:26:01 PM
Quote from: rob on April 06, 2018, 10:24:43 PM
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See you in a week, on indy or thunder ;)

(I feel your pain)

Haha yeah I can’t choose, skated the thunders today and all I can say is...

It’s all preference now, in the way of who you wanna support or how you wanna turn cause after today I realized the only factors that keep you consistent is basically riding the same gear. Everything

I been riding the same formula 4 gt 99a, modus bearings, and krooked 8.06 cromer, And gt blazers for the last 2 months and seriously almost every truck I plugged has worked. Some better than other but seriously they all worked(except stock tensors of course)

But yeah, the thunders were actually ok, my kick flips and everything were a bit better and more consistent cause of the lower height and stability but it did lack a little board feel and turn. Good turning trucks give better board feel and thunders lacked a bit but boy oh boy my kickflips sucked up to my feet and caught with huge pop so I might keep them on, especially since they’re my most expensive trucks

Titanium lights, light but it’s all gimmicks

Hollow lights are what you want if you want light, no need for titanium or soft magnesium


It’s always so hard to choose trucks but I say choose the set that is best for whatever skating you have fun with most and do the most, I love street pj Ladd/Shane O’Neil/Chris cole/prod/every pro who doesn’t really do tranny or vert style so probably gonna keep the thunders on. Especially for these crazy catching flip tricks, they just catch with little effort
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on April 09, 2018, 06:11:03 AM
Kickflips on thunders or ventures really do feel nice. I'm trying to regain what I had with Indys back in stage 6,7, and 8. I'm thinking if I just put in the time I can get used to them. I seriously get like 30 minutes to myself every other day or so, so it's hard to not always feel rusty. I also acknowledge that 99% of it is in my head, and that if I could go skate for hours at a time like pre-kid days, I wouldn't spend all day at work overanalyzing trucks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 09, 2018, 12:40:31 PM
Quote from: fang on April 09, 2018, 06:11:03 AM
Kickflips on thunders or ventures really do feel nice. I'm trying to regain what I had with Indys back in stage 6,7, and 8. I'm thinking if I just put in the time I can get used to them. I seriously get like 30 minutes to myself every other day or so, so it's hard to not always feel rusty. I also acknowledge that 99% of it is in my head, and that if I could go skate for hours at a time like pre-kid days, I wouldn't spend all day at work overanalyzing trucks!

That’s what I do, but luckily for me I get 20 min during lunch breaks everyday to break off some of the rust
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Horsemeat on April 09, 2018, 09:00:11 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on April 06, 2018, 07:57:27 AM

It's hard to say because SoCal just updates their stock but not the description.   If you want to be safe, order them directly from Ace

https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/accessories/products/ace-stock-bushings

Thanks! Just got em they feel awesome, surfy and stable. Like the broken in old ones but a little bouncier feeling.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on April 11, 2018, 10:28:36 PM
Here’s a list of truck wheelbases I measured on decks with 14.25” WB:

Ace 44 Hi - 17.13”
Krux K4 Tall 8.25 - 17.25”
Independent 139 Stage 11 - 17.38”
Venture 5.8 Hi - 17.44”
Thunder Team Hollows 147 Hi - 17.69”
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 11, 2018, 10:44:49 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on April 11, 2018, 10:28:36 PM
Here’s a list of truck wheelbases I measured on decks with 14.25” WB:

Ace 44 Hi - 17.13”
Krux K4 Tall 8.25 - 17.25”
Independent 139 Stage 11 - 17.38”
Venture 5.8 Hi - 17.44”
Thunder Team Hollows 147 Hi - 17.69”

What are your A and B measurement points? Axle to Axle?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on April 11, 2018, 10:53:47 PM
Quote from: Xen on April 11, 2018, 10:44:49 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on April 11, 2018, 10:28:36 PM
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Here’s a list of truck wheelbases I measured on decks with 14.25” WB:

Ace 44 Hi - 17.13”
Krux K4 Tall 8.25 - 17.25”
Independent 139 Stage 11 - 17.38”
Venture 5.8 Hi - 17.44”
Thunder Team Hollows 147 Hi - 17.69”
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What are your A and B measurement points? Axle to Axle?

middle of axle to middle of axle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on April 11, 2018, 11:10:39 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on April 11, 2018, 10:28:36 PM
Here’s a list of truck wheelbases I measured on decks with 14.25” WB:

Ace 44 Hi - 17.13”
Krux K4 Tall 8.25 - 17.25”
Independent 139 Stage 11 - 17.38”
Venture 5.8 Hi - 17.44”
Thunder Team Hollows 147 Hi - 17.69”

Nice! Good info!

Here's a comparison pic of Ace 44s to Venture 5.8s. Rear axles are aligned. Quite a difference.
(https://i.imgur.com/pQEyMmh.jpg)

I fucking love Aces, but I really like the pop on Ventures and the feeling the extended wheelbase (and shorter tail?) gives me. So I'm trying to make these Ventures turn, somehow! Gonna try Bones soft bushings next. Indy super softs weren't soft enough with all the washers in place at least.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on April 12, 2018, 12:23:21 AM
Quote from: Roisto on April 11, 2018, 11:10:39 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on April 11, 2018, 10:28:36 PM
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Here’s a list of truck wheelbases I measured on decks with 14.25” WB:

Ace 44 Hi - 17.13”
Krux K4 Tall 8.25 - 17.25”
Independent 139 Stage 11 - 17.38”
Venture 5.8 Hi - 17.44”
Thunder Team Hollows 147 Hi - 17.69”
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Nice! Good info!

Here's a comparison pic of Ace 44s to Venture 5.8s. Rear axles are aligned. Quite a difference.

I fucking love Aces, but I really like the pop on Ventures and the feeling the extended wheelbase (and shorter tail?) gives me. So I'm trying to make these Ventures turn, somehow! Gonna try Bones soft bushings next. Indy super softs weren't soft enough with all the washers in place at least.  :)



LOL i never got the whole SLAP claim on "Ventures not turning" granted its been 3 years since i last used ventures but i had the 5.2 high's with bones mediums and they worked fine. I think this general consensus is from the lo's...

You should try the Independent aftermarkets barrels - ive had both bones and indy bushings and the indy ones are WAY better - can just tell by the quality of the urethane and the CNC machine they use
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on April 12, 2018, 01:22:23 AM
Quote from: fulfillthedream on April 12, 2018, 12:23:21 AM
Quote from: Roisto on April 11, 2018, 11:10:39 PM
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Quote from: ChuckRamone on April 11, 2018, 10:28:36 PM
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Here’s a list of truck wheelbases I measured on decks with 14.25” WB:

Ace 44 Hi - 17.13”
Krux K4 Tall 8.25 - 17.25”
Independent 139 Stage 11 - 17.38”
Venture 5.8 Hi - 17.44”
Thunder Team Hollows 147 Hi - 17.69”
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Nice! Good info!

Here's a comparison pic of Ace 44s to Venture 5.8s. Rear axles are aligned. Quite a difference.

I fucking love Aces, but I really like the pop on Ventures and the feeling the extended wheelbase (and shorter tail?) gives me. So I'm trying to make these Ventures turn, somehow! Gonna try Bones soft bushings next. Indy super softs weren't soft enough with all the washers in place at least.  :)
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LOL i never got the whole SLAP claim on "Ventures not turning" granted its been 3 years since i last used ventures but i had the 5.2 high's with bones mediums and they worked fine. I think this general consensus is from the lo's...

You should try the Independent aftermarkets barrels - ive had both bones and indy bushings and the indy ones are WAY better - can just tell by the quality of the urethane and the CNC machine they use
totally agree, I'm riding the same set of black indy barrels for more than a year, still perfect and no signs of weakness
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on April 12, 2018, 04:26:04 AM
I weigh more than 90 kg, so I’m not a light guy at all. I’ve tried the Indy blacks and with them I feel like I could as well have solid trucks, where the hanger and baseplate are one continuous piece of metal.

My preference on truck tightness changed drastically after breaking my leg and now I want them loose as possible pretty much. Aces stock with the nut tightened to where it barely stays on is perfect IMO. The only thing is, Aces shorten the wheelbase and I like a long wheelbase and I feel like I get a more controlled and proper pop with Ventures.

Ventures with stock bushings don’t turn deep at all. With Indy super softs it was much better but I still couldn’t get a turn deep enough as easy as I want. So now I’m going to test the Bones softs without washers and if those don’t work, then I’ll probably try the Indy super softs without washers. I feel like the turn is there in Ventures, you just need really soft bushings to get it out of them or some other special stuff, like shorter bushings or something.

I guess it all depends on what you’re used to and what kind of a turn you like. I think all trucks turn but I like it to happen easy and deep. 😊
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OldManSkate on April 12, 2018, 05:15:51 AM
^ I have Bones Med with no washers in my Ventures. Feels very loose
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on April 12, 2018, 05:32:18 AM
Quote from: OldManSkate on April 12, 2018, 05:15:51 AM
^ I have Bones Med with no washers in my Ventures. Feels very loose

I put Bones mediums on mine just to test them out now too as can be seen in the pic cuz I had an extra set around. I'll have to wait until Saturday to test them properly though but on the carpet just standing on the board it doesn't feel as loose as Aces with stock bushings, so I'm hoping Bones softs would solve that.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 12, 2018, 08:12:36 AM
We don't talk too much about the hi or lo trucks....I don't think we've reached that level of craziness.....yet.

If we want to get nerdy...what compliments the wheelbase measurement, is how steep the pop is.... Like the ace is set back (wheelbase) but I bet it's a steeper angle on the nose or tail because of the height and geometry of the truck....thunder the angle is not as steep and the truck is lower..... Mellower but quicker pop.

Koo....koo.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on April 12, 2018, 08:22:32 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 12, 2018, 08:12:36 AM
We don't talk too much about the hi or lo trucks....I don't think we've reached that level of craziness.....yet.

If we want to get nerdy...what compliments the wheelbase measurement, is how steep the pop is.... Like the ace is set back (wheelbase) but I bet it's a steeper angle on the nose or tail because of the height and geometry of the truck....thunder the angle is not as steep and the truck is lower..... Mellower but quicker pop.

Koo....koo.....

You could easily make a comparison if you had a bunch of trucks and some time and patience. Set them up on the same board with the same wheels one after another. Measure the angle the board is at when the tail is on the ground. That can be easily done with the iPhone compass app for example. Swipe left and it'll show you a level and tell you what angle the phone is at. Place the phone on the griptape in the middle of the board and you've got your result.

What these numbers tell anyone is another thing though as I don't think many people have any reference for what would be the optimal for them. But maybe it might come with time if you measured that with every deck. Could definitely use this to get deeper into the madness!  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on April 12, 2018, 12:41:38 PM
Quote from: Firebert on April 12, 2018, 09:17:39 AM
Quote from: Roisto on April 12, 2018, 08:22:32 AM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on April 12, 2018, 08:12:36 AM
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We don't talk too much about the hi or lo trucks....I don't think we've reached that level of craziness.....yet.

If we want to get nerdy...what compliments the wheelbase measurement, is how steep the pop is.... Like the ace is set back (wheelbase) but I bet it's a steeper angle on the nose or tail because of the height and geometry of the truck....thunder the angle is not as steep and the truck is lower..... Mellower but quicker pop.

Koo....koo.....
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You could easily make a comparison if you had a bunch of trucks and some time and patience. Set them up on the same board with the same wheels one after another. Measure the angle the board is at when the tail is on the ground. That can be easily done with the iPhone compass app for example. Swipe left and it'll show you a level and tell you what angle the phone is at. Place the phone on the griptape in the middle of the board and you've got your result.

What these numbers tell anyone is another thing though as I don't think many people have any reference for what would be the optimal for them. But maybe it might come with time if you measured that with every deck. Could definitely use this to get deeper into the madness!  ;D
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Most boards aren't identical either, though

That's why I suggested doing it on the same board one after the other.  ;)

I did a quick measurement of a bunch of different setups that I have. Real 8.38" full with Ace 44s, Real 8.38" with Ace 44s, local brand 8.25" with Indy 149s and Doomsayers 8.38" with Venture 5.8s. All with 54 mm wheels.

All were 36° apart from the set up with Ventures, which was 38°. Dunno if that's a significant difference.

I feel like both the Reals pop very different from each other and the set up with Indys definitely pops different than the normal Real 8.38". The set up with Ventures pops very nicely though. I think the feeling of the pop might have more to do with where the tipping point is than the angle you end up with but I really don't know.  :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 12, 2018, 05:39:44 PM
Yeah each truck tips a bit differently Degros talks about how a truck manuals I think in his reviews.  As mentioned before 'the gap' also affects this.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on April 12, 2018, 08:18:31 PM
I found Ventures feel too spread out on Quasi 8.5 deck with 14.25 wb and for some reason on my DOA with 14.5 wb feels closer together. Maybe have something about PS boards they feel much "forward" with the short tails and long nose? Anyone get that feeling when the front truck feels so far away?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on April 13, 2018, 09:14:56 AM
Quote from: Roisto on April 12, 2018, 12:41:38 PM
Quote from: Firebert on April 12, 2018, 09:17:39 AM
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Most boards aren't identical either, though
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That's why I suggested doing it on the same board one after the other.  ;)

I did a quick measurement of a bunch of different setups that I have. Real 8.38" full with Ace 44s, Real 8.38" with Ace 44s, local brand 8.25" with Indy 149s and Doomsayers 8.38" with Venture 5.8s. All with 54 mm wheels.

All were 36° apart from the set up with Ventures, which was 38°. Dunno if that's a significant difference.

I feel like both the Reals pop very different from each other and the set up with Indys definitely pops different than the normal Real 8.38". The set up with Ventures pops very nicely though. I think the feeling of the pop might have more to do with where the tipping point is than the angle you end up with but I really don't know.  :D

Good points. I wonder what the standard amount of flat between the trucks and the edges is. Prof. Schmidt always talks about one or two "fingers" of flat as measurement.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on April 13, 2018, 10:26:00 AM
All I know is Indys on a 14" wb feel awful and cramped. Back to Ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on April 14, 2018, 12:18:59 AM
Quote from: Sad Hippo on April 13, 2018, 10:26:00 AM
All I know is Indys on a 14" wb feel awful and cramped. Back to Ventures.
I feel total opposite, skating 8.25” w/14” wb with 149’s indys and this setup feels like my dreams come true, feels like I’m on control again, just like when I was 15yrs old on 7.625” board. I use to skate antihero’s but when I found out about wheelbases realised those boards are having it too much for my tastes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on April 14, 2018, 06:19:37 AM
I dunno why I try to like these Ventures. They do not turn properly at all.

Bones mediums: way too stiff
Bones softs: wobbly as fuck
Indy super softs with washers: too stiff
Indy super softs without top washer: wobbly as fuck
All stock: No turn
Stock without top washer: wobbly as fuck
Nuts tightened to flush on all
 :o

I don't get it. It's either so wobbly that you've got absolutely no stability whatsoever or then it's super stiff. Tightening even a bit makes it go from the wobbliest truck to the tightest. I'm done. I love Aces and am gonna stick with those. I like the Venture pop. It's crazy. But whatever, I also like to turn and it's not like I can't pop just as high with Aces.   :-X

I'm sorry for being rob 2. Shit happens when you don't get to skate enough.  :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on April 14, 2018, 06:52:57 AM
Damn that's weird, I have v turns with the indy super softs and washers and I'm loving it. Super responsive, turn on a dime, and no wheelbite at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: patrick c. on April 14, 2018, 06:59:43 AM
Quote from: Roisto on April 14, 2018, 06:19:37 AM
I dunno why I try to like these Ventures. They do not turn properly at all.
Indy super softs with washers: too stiff
Shit happens when you don't get to skate enough.  :D
Even the soft indy aftermarkets require a decent amount of break in time so its hard to judge how they affect the trucks' turning without skating them for a week or so.  I don't skate ventures but do skate the aftermarket indy bushings and in my experience they are super stiff the first few sessions and then slowly start to feel really good.  This has surely been discussed somewhere in this thread but if you lay the board down on a carpet or something and just lean back and forth for a few minutes a day you can quicken the break in process.  I'm just saying don't dismiss them right out of the gate because they are the most responsive bushings in my opinion.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on April 14, 2018, 12:08:41 PM
Quote from: patrick c. on April 14, 2018, 06:59:43 AM
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I dunno why I try to like these Ventures. They do not turn properly at all.
Indy super softs with washers: too stiff
Shit happens when you don't get to skate enough.  :D
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Even the soft indy aftermarkets require a decent amount of break in time so its hard to judge how they affect the trucks' turning without skating them for a week or so.  I don't skate ventures but do skate the aftermarket indy bushings and in my experience they are super stiff the first few sessions and then slowly start to feel really good.  This has surely been discussed somewhere in this thread but if you lay the board down on a carpet or something and just lean back and forth for a few minutes a day you can quicken the break in process.  I'm just saying don't dismiss them right out of the gate because they are the most responsive bushings in my opinion.

I've had them on the Ventures since last fall. I used it as my rain/shit weather setup for a while during the fall and back then I blamed the stiffness of the bushings on the low temperature but now skating it inside I see that they just don't turn the way I want.

When I say that Ventures don't turn, I mean that they don't turn deep enough for me. They turn, but the turn just isn't what I like. It's either too shallow or just flopping side to side and still kinda shallow. Also I don't feel like they return very much at all if you get them to turn a bit deeper which makes carving a bowl feel very weird.

They're just not for me. I'll stick with Aces.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on April 14, 2018, 06:22:25 PM
I got a PM about my truck wheelbase measurements so I measured again, this time all on the same Pass~port deck with 14.25” WB. Good thing too ‘cause I got slightly different results. Last time I shouldn’t have assumed all 14.25” WB decks have their holes drilled the same since we are talking about skateboards here. Anyway, here are the measurements.

Ace 17.13
Krux 17.38
Indy 17.63
Thunder 17.69
Venture 17.75
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on April 15, 2018, 06:15:34 AM
I am curious about Ace , but not ready to try yet. The fact that Julien switched to Ace was more first "huh?". And my dude Barley as well. Based on Indy stage 3 right?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on April 15, 2018, 01:13:22 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on April 14, 2018, 06:22:25 PM
I got a PM about my truck wheelbase measurements so I measured again, this time all on the same Pass~port deck with 14.25” WB. Good thing too ‘cause I got slightly different results. Last time I shouldn’t have assumed all 14.25” WB decks have their holes drilled the same since we are talking about skateboards here. Anyway, here are the measurements.

Ace 17.13
Krux 17.38
Indy 17.63
Thunder 17.69
Venture 17.75

Strangely enough on my 14.25" WB decks I get exactly 17" for Ace and just under 17.5" for Thunder.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on April 15, 2018, 03:21:39 PM
Quote from: Beeker on April 15, 2018, 01:13:22 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on April 14, 2018, 06:22:25 PM
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I got a PM about my truck wheelbase measurements so I measured again, this time all on the same Pass~port deck with 14.25” WB. Good thing too ‘cause I got slightly different results. Last time I shouldn’t have assumed all 14.25” WB decks have their holes drilled the same since we are talking about skateboards here. Anyway, here are the measurements.

Ace 17.13
Krux 17.38
Indy 17.63
Thunder 17.69
Venture 17.75
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Strangely enough on my 14.25" WB decks I get exactly 17" for Ace and just under 17.5" for Thunder.

the variation is crazy. a 14.25” WB can give such different results from deck to deck. but at least using the same deck you can find out the relative differences in WB between truck brands.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on April 15, 2018, 08:23:51 PM
To anyone with the new Thunder Team Lights/Hollows. On the Thunder site they list the stock bushings as 99d but they feel as soft as the usual 90d (I think?) that come with most Thunders (I was expecting something like Bones hards). Are Thunder’s replacement bushings more reflective of the actual duro rating like aftermarket Indy’s?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 16, 2018, 04:25:23 AM
Another weekend on the Ace "Classic" (v2.5) and they keep getting better and better.  If you're not obsessed with weight like I used to be, give them a shot
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on April 16, 2018, 04:33:12 AM
Just tried this combo on my Indy's

Bones Hard top bushing w/ stock barrel bottom bushing. kept both the top Bones Washer and the stock Bottom washer. I'd normally blow thru the stock top Indy bushing due to the top washer cutting thru the top bushing. This combo adds the rebound of Bones to help center back the truck quicker while still keeping the surfy feel of a full on stock Indy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Italianshredder96 on April 16, 2018, 04:46:51 AM
Quote from: palelight on April 15, 2018, 08:23:51 PM
To anyone with the new Thunder Team Lights/Hollows. On the Thunder site they list the stock bushings as 99d but they feel as soft as the usual 90d (I think?) that come with most Thunders (I was expecting something like Bones hards). Are Thunder’s replacement bushings more reflective of the actual duro rating like aftermarket Indy’s?

To me they seem even softer...I put bones medium with no issues and they're awesome.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on April 16, 2018, 09:15:22 AM
My personal experience with Indy aftermarkets is a bit different to what I read here.

I actually went from this:
Quote from: Esquivel on February 22, 2018, 12:09:54 AM
Just finished a second session on the blue conical indy aftermarkets in 149 thunder hollow lights. Top indy washer at the bottom, thin bones washer at the top. Had only been using bones hard bushings for the last 4 years, and I was not expecting such an improvement in my ride. Bushings broken in out of the box and the trucks actually turn much-much sharper. The difference is almost as noticeable as when i first went to bones from plain barrel minus the frustration of getting used to new shit. I am super stocked, these things are heavenly.

to this:
(https://s14.postimg.cc/lpmmzsvm9/bushings.jpg)

The bushing on the left is the top bushing of the blue ones after 4 sessions lying next to a brand new indy hard/black. I have been on the blacks for around 4-5 sessions, skating in much hotter weather and they don't seem to have packed down. I hope they don't, they feel almost as loose as the blue ones felt when I wrote my first post about them. They are conical so they naturally feel loose but I think if I skated these during a heat wave, they would melt. Could I have gotten a dodgy set or one that was possibly lying in a shop display being hit by the sun for years? I have been reading only great things about these bushings but the blue didn't make it a week.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on April 16, 2018, 09:42:53 AM
^good to hear that, i had some regrets not taking the blue ones during the harsh breaking in process of the black cylinder sets, exhausted knees, but blacks ones are the best !
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on April 16, 2018, 01:56:12 PM
Ha! for me even the black ones took no time to break in. They felt slightly harder than the blue that had been reduced to half the size, just no break in time. They have maintained their shape and size but definitely feel softer than bones hard. The blue ones kind of melted through the yoke! I always have the nut flush and am not heavy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on April 19, 2018, 11:29:27 AM
I'm thinking of going all Ace on all my setups. Got a rain cruiser with 149 Indys and a "big boy" cruiser with 159 Indys. The set up with Ventures I'm getting rid of entirely. Any thoughts? Is it worth it to have the "same" trucks on all set ups?

I wonder if I'd get any benefit running Ace 55s with 1/8" risers and 60 mm Ricta Clouds on my cruiser with a 15" wheelbase. Normal set ups have Ace 44s with 54 mm wheels and 14.5" wheelbases. 🤔

I've got nothing against Indys really but the Ace feeling has got me hooked. 😊
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 20, 2018, 08:06:32 PM
Quote from: Esquivel on April 16, 2018, 09:15:22 AM
My personal experience with Indy aftermarkets is a bit different to what I read here.

I actually went from this:
Quote from: Esquivel on February 22, 2018, 12:09:54 AM
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Just finished a second session on the blue conical indy aftermarkets in 149 thunder hollow lights. Top indy washer at the bottom, thin bones washer at the top. Had only been using bones hard bushings for the last 4 years, and I was not expecting such an improvement in my ride. Bushings broken in out of the box and the trucks actually turn much-much sharper. The difference is almost as noticeable as when i first went to bones from plain barrel minus the frustration of getting used to new shit. I am super stocked, these things are heavenly.
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to this:
(https://s14.postimg.cc/lpmmzsvm9/bushings.jpg)

The bushing on the left is the top bushing of the blue ones after 4 sessions lying next to a brand new indy hard/black. I have been on the blacks for around 4-5 sessions, skating in much hotter weather and they don't seem to have packed down. I hope they don't, they feel almost as loose as the blue ones felt when I wrote my first post about them. They are conical so they naturally feel loose but I think if I skated these during a heat wave, they would melt. Could I have gotten a dodgy set or one that was possibly lying in a shop display being hit by the sun for years? I have been reading only great things about these bushings but the blue didn't make it a week.

I think the blues you got are the indy low conicals 92a, they make the blue for the lows too only in conical and they just basically come with a shorter top/roadside bushing and a normal bottom bushing

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JerrySeinfeld on April 21, 2018, 09:32:25 AM
Anyone know how we’ll venture 5.8s fit on an 8.5 board? Width wise.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on April 21, 2018, 09:35:34 AM
Quote from: JerrySeinfeld on April 21, 2018, 09:32:25 AM
Anyone know how we’ll venture 5.8s fit on an 8.5 board? Width wise.

Well, they are 8.5" wide, so I'd say that they fit pretty much flush.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on April 21, 2018, 10:22:17 AM
Sent my old ass axle-slipped venture 5.8's to DLX and they laced me with a set of some 5.8 V-lights (hollow kingpin/forged baseplate). Gonna try to break in the stock bushings first before I start fiddling with shit, but best believe I got like 3 other bushing options set to go.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 21, 2018, 12:09:51 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on April 21, 2018, 10:22:17 AM
Sent my old ass axle-slipped venture 5.8's to DLX and they laced me with a set of some 5.8 V-lights (hollow kingpin/forged baseplate). Gonna try to break in the stock bushings first before I start fiddling with shit, but best believe I got like 3 other bushing options set to go.

Awww so lucky, that’s deluxe for you though.

They hook it up, back when I was doing my venture 5.2 lows I noticed the holes were drilled off set on one of them and asked for just a baseplate replacement and they sent me 4 baseplate with bushings and pivot cups, a pair of cast and a pair of hollow forged baspleates and a bunch of stickers

Deluxe seriously is the best distribution in the Buisness, they reply fast, give you great service and warranty. Pretty glad I have 70% deluxe stuff
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 21, 2018, 02:28:33 PM
I'm leaning towards believing that I won't slip an axel and getting off the tih's...They just don't grind.  think I'm gonna go thunders for this reason.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JerrySeinfeld on April 21, 2018, 02:30:17 PM
Quote from: Roisto on April 21, 2018, 09:35:34 AM
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Anyone know how we’ll venture 5.8s fit on an 8.5 board? Width wise.
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Well, they are 8.5" wide, so I'd say that they fit pretty much flush.

The venture website says the 5.8 fit 8.2 and up so I was wondering if anyone had some experience with using them on a 8.5 board. Your snarky reply almost helps.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on April 21, 2018, 04:08:28 PM
Quote from: JerrySeinfeld on April 21, 2018, 02:30:17 PM
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Anyone know how we’ll venture 5.8s fit on an 8.5 board? Width wise.
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Well, they are 8.5" wide, so I'd say that they fit pretty much flush.
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The venture website says the 5.8 fit 8.2 and up so I was wondering if anyone had some experience with using them on a 8.5 board. Your snarky reply almost helps.

Ran them on an 8.5 Krooked for a while. End of axles were flush with the deck, no overhang. I prefer the wheels to be flush and to have a bit of axle overhang so I went back to Indy 159's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on April 21, 2018, 07:10:38 PM
Have a set of standard 149 Indy stage 10s with stock bushings. I hate them. I think they turn slow and crappy. Would I like stage 11s any better?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on April 21, 2018, 07:20:12 PM
Quote from: rob on April 21, 2018, 12:09:51 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on April 21, 2018, 10:22:17 AM
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Sent my old ass axle-slipped venture 5.8's to DLX and they laced me with a set of some 5.8 V-lights (hollow kingpin/forged baseplate). Gonna try to break in the stock bushings first before I start fiddling with shit, but best believe I got like 3 other bushing options set to go.
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Awww so lucky, that’s deluxe for you though.

They hook it up, back when I was doing my venture 5.2 lows I noticed the holes were drilled off set on one of them and asked for just a baseplate replacement and they sent me 4 baseplate with bushings and pivot cups, a pair of cast and a pair of hollow forged baspleates and a bunch of stickers

Deluxe seriously is the best distribution in the Buisness, they reply fast, give you great service and warranty. Pretty glad I have 70% deluxe stuff

yeah they hooked it up for me, DLX is the best.

The stock bushings in Ventures really aren't all that bad though! Skated them today and they didnt give me nearly as much trouble as i expected. It might be this Arizona heat softening up the bushings but I skated them just as they came at first and tightened them a quarter turn or so a couple times further into the session and they were good to go. Nice surfy turn but still stable on landings. Gonna tell my gear madness to shut the fuck up and just rock with these for a while
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on April 21, 2018, 07:39:28 PM
Im riding two sets of venture 5.8s. One using original washers and purple bushing and the other using after market soft red Indy barrel bushings. Both top bushing “tuned” down to my liking. Both set up exactly the same the stockbushings are looser. I had to sand the Indy bottom bushing down to match the ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Shuh on April 21, 2018, 09:41:57 PM
Running thunder 149s bones bushings soft, broken in no nut washer. Ride it loose it's a dream right now, I can ride it without the fear of the nut coming off
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on April 21, 2018, 10:56:25 PM
Quote from: JerrySeinfeld on April 21, 2018, 02:30:17 PM
Quote from: Roisto on April 21, 2018, 09:35:34 AM
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Anyone know how we’ll venture 5.8s fit on an 8.5 board? Width wise.
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Well, they are 8.5" wide, so I'd say that they fit pretty much flush.
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The venture website says the 5.8 fit 8.2 and up so I was wondering if anyone had some experience with using them on a 8.5 board. Your snarky reply almost helps.

I’m sorry. I just didn’t really understand your question. I had them on a 8.5” board. Don’t like the turn personally, so haven’t got much experience with them but width wise they were absolutely fine for me. I don’t have a problem with 8.5” trucks on a 8.25” board though so what do I know.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on April 22, 2018, 11:03:03 AM
Quote from: Willie on April 21, 2018, 07:10:38 PM
Have a set of standard 149 Indy stage 10s with stock bushings. I hate them. I think they turn slow and crappy. Would I like stage 11s any better?

I don’t know if this was true of the stage 10s but the stock bushings in the stage 11s are bad. I always swap them out for the Indy aftermarket bushings and you can actually see the difference in quality when you compare them. Does Indy do this on purpose? Seems like it. But you might not like the turn of the aftermarkets either if Indys in general are not your cup of tea. I like the stage 11s with aftermarket orange bushings. I prefer them to all the trucks I’ve skated recently including Thunder, Krux, Venture and Ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on April 24, 2018, 08:59:38 PM
Figured this would be the appropriate place to ask: Why did skaters in the 80s use panhead or trusshead hardware? Any benefits? I think I read that they could reduce pressure cracks cause they sit on top of the deck rathr than dig in, but I also wonder if they hinder flip tricks etc. Maybe countersunk just werent thought of for use back then?

Kinda want to throw some on a deck just for fun.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on April 24, 2018, 09:20:35 PM
If you can tell me why I used Bridgebolts I can try to help you with your question.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on April 24, 2018, 09:42:19 PM
I’ve been skating those indy aftermarket conical bushings few years now, I recently change bottom ones to barrells and man, I thought I like wiggly trucks but my skating has improved a lot lately... Stability is the key.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 24, 2018, 10:09:06 PM
Man I thought I was madness over when I started liking all my trucks and didn’t have any real pickiness and liked the thunder 148 most and stuck to it for a week but then it crept back in me and I had to feel the goodness of ace again and Damn damn these are amazing feeling tricks when like they said the bushings break in

Phenomenal, definitely recommend to anyone

But beware they do no matter what easily pick up speed wobble in fast/down hill situations. Idk what it is but they definitely like to speed wobble but the turning

Amazing, it’s like bouncy and fun

Like I said before: it has the response like a thunder but the carve of an indy, I had a few close calls doing my 2 miles to work and carved sharp around 2 cars and it felt right

Not sketchy at all
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on April 25, 2018, 07:46:16 AM
Quote from: Roisto on April 19, 2018, 11:29:27 AM
I'm thinking of going all Ace on all my setups. Got a rain cruiser with 149 Indys and a "big boy" cruiser with 159 Indys. The set up with Ventures I'm getting rid of entirely. Any thoughts? Is it worth it to have the "same" trucks on all set ups?

I wonder if I'd get any benefit running Ace 55s with 1/8" risers and 60 mm Ricta Clouds on my cruiser with a 15" wheelbase. Normal set ups have Ace 44s with 54 mm wheels and 14.5" wheelbases. 🤔

I've got nothing against Indys really but the Ace feeling has got me hooked. 😊

Well, I got Ace 55s for my bigger cruiser today. Went pushing for about 8 km with it and it felt like home instantly even though the bushings clearly aren't broken in properly yet! I fucking love the Ace turn. I can actually turn properly while pushing which seems almost impossible with Indys with Bones mediums. I love how Aces are kinda unforgiving but very predictable. I feel like I know what is going on all the time much better with Aces. Gonna stick with Aces. I really see no reason to change it up. 😊
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on April 25, 2018, 07:50:45 AM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  on April 24, 2018, 09:42:19 PM
I’ve been skating those indy aftermarket conical bushings few years now, I recently change bottom ones to barrells and man, I thought I like wiggly trucks but my skating has improved a lot lately... Stability is the key.

I recently went back to some older 149 Ti's with the barrel bushings after loving how Ace's turn but not feeling confident enough with setting up for tricks and landing tricks.  I will eventually get a cruiser, fuck, at 34 I should already have one.  It seems to be where my skating is quickly going, but while I still like skating flat and ledges, Indy's will stay on my street setup.  A cruiser with 55's sounds like a lot of fun though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on April 25, 2018, 08:23:04 AM
I’m realizing low trucks (aside from thunders) just aren’t for me.

Ace lows were my jam for awhile, but nearly everything instantly improved switching to the regs. Switch Ollies much higher, nollies tucking up to back knee

I also switched from riding 03’s to 44’s on 8-8.25” setups, and the axle width seems to be working out far greater. Still rocking red doh doh’s in my setup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Horsemeat on April 25, 2018, 06:21:33 PM
Noticed in a picture of Gilbert Crockett for his new shoe that he is rocking the six hole baseplate on his trucks. Is this that nose slide baseplate issue again? I like my thunders but the madness is creeping back. Wish thunder would just release a baseplate that wasn’t stumpy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on April 25, 2018, 07:16:19 PM
Quote from: Horsemeat on April 25, 2018, 06:21:33 PM
Noticed in a picture of Gilbert Crockett for his new shoe that he is rocking the six hole baseplate on his trucks. Is this that nose slide baseplate issue again? I like my thunders but the madness is creeping back. Wish thunder would just release a baseplate that wasn’t stumpy.

I think that's just a cool guy style thing, pretty sure they stick out just as far as the four hole baseplates.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on April 26, 2018, 06:51:42 AM
gil skates indys
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on April 26, 2018, 08:11:33 AM
Quote from: Horsemeat on April 25, 2018, 06:21:33 PM
Noticed in a picture of Gilbert Crockett for his new shoe that he is rocking the six hole baseplate on his trucks. Is this that nose slide baseplate issue again? I like my thunders but the madness is creeping back. Wish thunder would just release a baseplate that wasn’t stumpy.
I think it's because he skates vintage stage of indys
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on April 26, 2018, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: Firebert on April 26, 2018, 08:11:33 AM
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Noticed in a picture of Gilbert Crockett for his new shoe that he is rocking the six hole baseplate on his trucks. Is this that nose slide baseplate issue again? I like my thunders but the madness is creeping back. Wish thunder would just release a baseplate that wasn’t stumpy.
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I think it's because he skates vintage stage of indys

Also 159 and wider Indys have the six hole pattern baseplate
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on April 26, 2018, 10:34:27 AM
Quote from: Roisto on April 26, 2018, 10:31:23 AM
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Noticed in a picture of Gilbert Crockett for his new shoe that he is rocking the six hole baseplate on his trucks. Is this that nose slide baseplate issue again? I like my thunders but the madness is creeping back. Wish thunder would just release a baseplate that wasn’t stumpy.
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I think it's because he skates vintage stage of indys
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Also 159 and wider Indys have the six hole pattern baseplate

Not all 159s.  I have some forged 159 stage 11s that have the 4 hole.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on April 26, 2018, 10:55:53 AM
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Noticed in a picture of Gilbert Crockett for his new shoe that he is rocking the six hole baseplate on his trucks. Is this that nose slide baseplate issue again? I like my thunders but the madness is creeping back. Wish thunder would just release a baseplate that wasn’t stumpy.
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I think it's because he skates vintage stage of indys
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Also 159 and wider Indys have the six hole pattern baseplate
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Not all 159s.  I have some forged 159 stage 11s that have the 4 hole.

Could be just the cast ones then. Mine are standard cast and they have the six hole pattern.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on April 26, 2018, 05:20:33 PM
How wide are Venture 5.8 hi's ? Would they fit OK on a 8.25-8.38 board ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 26, 2018, 05:27:40 PM
Quote from: TheBoognish on April 26, 2018, 05:20:33 PM
How wide are Venture 5.8 hi's ? Would they fit OK on a 8.25-8.38 board ?

5.8s are 8.5s

get it...GET IT!? :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on April 26, 2018, 05:34:45 PM
Any of you truck lunatics ever run Indy hangers on Ace baseplates or vice versa? Curious to know how the combo turned out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 26, 2018, 05:44:50 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on April 26, 2018, 05:34:45 PM
Any of you truck lunatics ever run Indy hangers on Ace baseplates or vice versa? Curious to know how the combo turned out.

Once, the yoke sticks out like a MF'er
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on April 26, 2018, 05:56:36 PM
Quote from: Xen on April 26, 2018, 05:44:50 PM
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Any of you truck lunatics ever run Indy hangers on Ace baseplates or vice versa? Curious to know how the combo turned out.
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Once, the yoke sticks out like a MF'er

Which combo?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on April 26, 2018, 06:38:28 PM
I just bought a set of 8.5 Krux from Daddies.  They are on sale for $16.95.   I mounted them and did three ollies in the garage and the back truck had the boardside bushing blow off the edge of the washer.  WTF.  I have never had this happen with another truck and I heard that Krux bushings were top notch.

Put them back in and hope it doesn't happen again?  Run some Bones?  I also have some new 95s from https://funboxskate.com/product/bushings/

I'm 180 lbs.   Just too much for these dainty bushings?

EDIT:   I reset them and they blew out again within a minute.   Bones Hards it is.   I also found some fresh Mini Logo mediums if the bones end up to be too stiff.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 27, 2018, 04:24:58 PM
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Any of you truck lunatics ever run Indy hangers on Ace baseplates or vice versa? Curious to know how the combo turned out.
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Once, the yoke sticks out like a MF'er
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Which combo?

Indy plates/ace hanger (it's as bad as it sounds but it does stick further out than stock)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on April 27, 2018, 04:49:25 PM
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Quote from: Xen on April 26, 2018, 05:44:50 PM
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Quote from: Diocletian on April 26, 2018, 05:34:45 PM
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Any of you truck lunatics ever run Indy hangers on Ace baseplates or vice versa? Curious to know how the combo turned out.
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Once, the yoke sticks out like a MF'er
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Which combo?
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Indy plates/ace hanger (it's as bad as it sounds but it does stick further out than stock)

Gotcha. Wonder how the opposite performs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on April 27, 2018, 05:39:36 PM
So as far as modern trucks go, are Krux and Thunder the only two that fit Krux kingpins without the need for epoxy to hold the nut in place?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on April 27, 2018, 05:44:51 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on April 27, 2018, 04:49:25 PM
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Quote from: Diocletian on April 26, 2018, 05:56:36 PM
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Quote from: Diocletian on April 26, 2018, 05:34:45 PM
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Any of you truck lunatics ever run Indy hangers on Ace baseplates or vice versa? Curious to know how the combo turned out.
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Once, the yoke sticks out like a MF'er
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Which combo?
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Indy plates/ace hanger (it's as bad as it sounds but it does stick further out than stock)
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Gotcha. Wonder how the opposite performs.



I've been fiddling with the trucks I have laying around and it seems like the baseplate and the angle of the kingpin (the lesser it is from 90 degrees) have more effect on turning characteristics than the hanger.

Try the other way around!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 27, 2018, 06:42:47 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on April 27, 2018, 05:39:36 PM
So as far as modern trucks go, are Krux and Thunder the only two that fit Krux kingpins without the need for epoxy to hold the nut in place?

Well, you can tighten/loosen them easily once the nut is on but I'd still epoxy them so if you were to ever loosen them so much the nut drops off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bawtawd9 on April 28, 2018, 09:27:51 AM
What feels lower to the ground, krux downlows or venture lows? Or are they basically the same?

Probably go with krux as I imagine they have more carve.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 28, 2018, 09:32:03 AM
Quote from: bawtawd9 on April 28, 2018, 09:27:51 AM
What feels lower to the ground, krux downlows or venture lows? Or are they basically the same?

Probably go with krux as I imagine they have more carve.

Ventures are lower at 48mm maybe 47 and krux downlows are actually 52mm tall
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on April 28, 2018, 10:40:27 AM
Quote from: bawtawd9 on April 28, 2018, 09:27:51 AM
What feels lower to the ground, krux downlows or venture lows? Or are they basically the same?

Probably go with krux as I imagine they have more carve.

Never skated Ventures, but Krux have literally the least amount of carve I've skated. They turn fine, especially at higher speeds, but do not carve like other brands. That being said I like them a lot and rock them on my cruisers since they are stable as hell. Mini-Logo are super low and are much more turny.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bawtawd9 on April 28, 2018, 11:29:17 AM
Hmm aright, ill give mini logo a shot, I dig their wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 28, 2018, 12:23:34 PM
Quote from: bawtawd9 on April 28, 2018, 11:29:17 AM
Hmm aright, ill give mini logo a shot, I dig their wheels.

From what I've read they're the lowest truck out there that turns not tilts ;)

I've a set on my kid's board, they turn just fine (I've not ridden them enough to vouch for them being awesome tho).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IHOP on April 29, 2018, 10:20:00 AM
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Noticed in a picture of Gilbert Crockett for his new shoe that he is rocking the six hole baseplate on his trucks. Is this that nose slide baseplate issue again? I like my thunders but the madness is creeping back. Wish thunder would just release a baseplate that wasn’t stumpy.
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I think that's just a cool guy style thing, pretty sure they stick out just as far as the four hole baseplates.

Yea he skates old indys, not sure what stage but I would assume 9 or earlier based on photos.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on April 29, 2018, 11:43:03 AM
Mini logo aren’t so bad until the pivot cup blows out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 29, 2018, 01:23:23 PM
This could be wrong but I think Powell spent years engineering the mother of all trucks...when they realized the couldn't make it the way they wanted they took the design, put cheaper parts on it and made it the mini logo truck.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 29, 2018, 01:50:55 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 29, 2018, 01:23:23 PM
This could be wrong but I think Powell spent years engineering the mother of all trucks...when they realized the couldn't make it the way they wanted they took the design, put cheaper parts on it and made it the mini logo truck.....

I believe it, cause it could’ve been a premium truck next to their premium bones wheels and bearings and bushings, it could of been the original theeve but the real original Powell trucks stocked with premium bones hardcore bushings

If they could redesign it though to look something sorta like an indy/ace/theeve maybe even venture I would totally rock them 100% but idk the aesthetics as kooky as that sounds throws me off with the chevron logo on a blank generic shaped hangar and the funny Walmart truck looking baseplate even though it is light cause it’s hollowed out so much but I feel there could of been such a more eye pleasing design they could of done that would take the trucks to the level of ermico

maybe if there’s a mini logo stage 2 in the works with such a design I’m giving them all my money and I mean, Swiss L2 bearings or Swiss 6, mini logo/bones  wheels, the new trucks and even The aftermarket mini logo bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on April 30, 2018, 08:29:54 AM
 I believe my madness has passed R.I.P. I spent the last 3 days switching trucks around and skating the same spot. Staying with Indy (whom I never would have tried others had stage 9 not been so shitty to me). Thunders and Ventures are both great trucks but the turn, weight, grind just feels right with independent for me. I'm glad too cuz they've been my #1 choice since 86 (minus a year in 92 when I rode venture featherlights and had BPSW, a year or so in 2003 when stage 9 came out, and this past wave of madness). Still wish the axle had that thicker style pre stage 9 but it's all good. Anyway, good luck guys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 30, 2018, 09:48:23 AM
Quote from: rob on April 29, 2018, 01:50:55 PM
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This could be wrong but I think Powell spent years engineering the mother of all trucks...when they realized the couldn't make it the way they wanted they took the design, put cheaper parts on it and made it the mini logo truck.....
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I believe it, cause it could’ve been a premium truck next to their premium bones wheels and bearings and bushings, it could of been the original theeve but the real original Powell trucks stocked with premium bones hardcore bushings

If they could redesign it though to look something sorta like an indy/ace/theeve maybe even venture I would totally rock them 100% but idk the aesthetics as kooky as that sounds throws me off with the chevron logo on a blank generic shaped hangar and the funny Walmart truck looking baseplate even though it is light cause it’s hollowed out so much but I feel there could of been such a more eye pleasing design they could of done that would take the trucks to the level of ermico

maybe if there’s a mini logo stage 2 in the works with such a design I’m giving them all my money and I mean, Swiss L2 bearings or Swiss 6, mini logo/bones  wheels, the new trucks and even The aftermarket mini logo bushings

The aftermarket minilogo bushings are really really nice (I was skating the soft ones in my ACEs; the top bushing is really low profile, bottom is the same height as stock aces.

I'd skate them if they weren't super low (49mm?) I can't rock tiny wheels to avoid wheelbite.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 30, 2018, 09:52:29 AM
I went back to my thunder 147 cause they respond fast and are lightest and I’m riding 8.2 and below and they work great

Kinda testing out ace 44 on the side since they work great too

Down to thunder vs ace

Might throw indy in there but kinda doubt it since compared to my top 2 choices the Indy are great at turning but response and weight throw me off
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on April 30, 2018, 10:17:35 AM
Quote from: Xen on April 30, 2018, 09:48:23 AM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on April 29, 2018, 01:23:23 PM
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This could be wrong but I think Powell spent years engineering the mother of all trucks...when they realized the couldn't make it the way they wanted they took the design, put cheaper parts on it and made it the mini logo truck.....
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I believe it, cause it could’ve been a premium truck next to their premium bones wheels and bearings and bushings, it could of been the original theeve but the real original Powell trucks stocked with premium bones hardcore bushings

If they could redesign it though to look something sorta like an indy/ace/theeve maybe even venture I would totally rock them 100% but idk the aesthetics as kooky as that sounds throws me off with the chevron logo on a blank generic shaped hangar and the funny Walmart truck looking baseplate even though it is light cause it’s hollowed out so much but I feel there could of been such a more eye pleasing design they could of done that would take the trucks to the level of ermico

maybe if there’s a mini logo stage 2 in the works with such a design I’m giving them all my money and I mean, Swiss L2 bearings or Swiss 6, mini logo/bones  wheels, the new trucks and even The aftermarket mini logo bushings
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The aftermarket minilogo bushings are really really nice (I was skating the soft ones in my ACEs; the top bushing is really low profile, bottom is the same height as stock aces.

I'd skate them if they weren't super low (49mm?) I can't rock tiny wheels to avoid wheelbite.

I run an 8" ML setup with 52s and usually have a 1/10 riser, although I occasionally have them setup without.

 I have a set of 8.38s with 55s and use a 1/10 soft and a 1/8 hard.  That brings them up to around 53 high and I don't get too much wheelbite. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 30, 2018, 10:49:19 AM
Quote from: rob on April 30, 2018, 09:52:29 AM
I went back to my thunder 147 cause they respond fast and are lightest and I’m riding 8.2 and below and they work great

Kinda testing out ace 44 on the side since they work great too

Down to thunder vs ace

Might throw indy in there but kinda doubt it since compared to my top 2 choices the Indy are great at turning but response and weight throw me off

Yep...if you can't decide ACE or Thunder....Indy is the right answer.....or I'd run two set ups...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 30, 2018, 11:36:58 AM
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I went back to my thunder 147 cause they respond fast and are lightest and I’m riding 8.2 and below and they work great

Kinda testing out ace 44 on the side since they work great too

Down to thunder vs ace

Might throw indy in there but kinda doubt it since compared to my top 2 choices the Indy are great at turning but response and weight throw me off
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Yep...if you can't decide ACE or Thunder....THEEVE is the right answer.....or I'd run two set ups...


Lighter than indy (if you go for tiKings) and turn much sharper, are stable on center but can still carve. Youc an also leave them stock, #probably the only truck you don't have to fuck with.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 30, 2018, 11:51:23 AM
Quote from: Xen on April 30, 2018, 11:36:58 AM
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I went back to my thunder 147 cause they respond fast and are lightest and I’m riding 8.2 and below and they work great

Kinda testing out ace 44 on the side since they work great too

Down to thunder vs ace

Might throw indy in there but kinda doubt it since compared to my top 2 choices the Indy are great at turning but response and weight throw me off
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Yep...if you can't decide ACE or Thunder....THEEVE is the right answer.....or I'd run two set ups...

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Lighter than indy (if you go for tiKings) and turn much sharper, are stable on center but can still carve. Youc an also leave them stock, #probably the only truck you don't have to fuck with.

Except they look hideous. I noticed they bought back the Tih though, but that one has issues grinding on metal apparently.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 30, 2018, 11:57:29 AM
The lack of grinding has me looking at thunders.....

If you can't decide Krux or Tensor.....I'd say Theeve....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on April 30, 2018, 12:28:01 PM
I always thought titanium was like an indestructible metal and after some google searching about axles and how Chromoly ones are actually stronger than titanium, I don’t see how a truck entirely made of titanium could be stronger than a standard raw aluminum one. Titanium is more corrosion resistant compared to aluminum but that’s all I can gather. $180 for a set of titanium trucks that have a higher chance of breaking (even with the one piece axle) seems like a financial risk not worth taking.

I’m all about Ace and I’m aware their recycled Chinese aluminum has had problems but as far as Indy goes, I never hear about people breaking them. Ever.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 30, 2018, 12:31:35 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 30, 2018, 10:49:19 AM
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I went back to my thunder 147 cause they respond fast and are lightest and I’m riding 8.2 and below and they work great

Kinda testing out ace 44 on the side since they work great too

Down to thunder vs ace

Might throw indy in there but kinda doubt it since compared to my top 2 choices the Indy are great at turning but response and weight throw me off
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Yep...if you can't decide ACE or Thunder....Indy is the right answer.....or I'd run two set ups...

Ahaha good ole xen and his solutions

Yeah...indy is kinda the answer because they are kinda just the good ole reliable nothing special but is special truck for anything and everything...

Butttttt I like having my trucks being specific rather than well rounded, the thunders I love for street and they’re just the perfect street truck

But the aces feel well rounded but now better for street than before

Indy though are classic and you can’t beat the classics

So I did do that and have 2 setups, my flip feels cool but has an odd feel on the tail and nose being so flat and I had the ace 44’s on and it didn’t help the odd feel so I got my thunders since they usually do the trick to help get any deck flipping

And I got my ace 44 on the stiff and flat but very poppy girl

If none of this works I guess indy it is

Theeves cast feels weird to me, they’re solid but...feel kinda cheap or maybe it’s cause of the slightly hollowed out pattern that goes against the deck like on thunder forged plates. They do turn good and sharp but to me they’re kinda unstable, fast and sharp but wobbly on impact
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 30, 2018, 03:23:18 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on April 30, 2018, 12:28:01 PM
I always thought titanium was like an indestructible metal and after some google searching about axles and how Chromoly ones are actually stronger than titanium, I don’t see how a truck entirely made of titanium could be stronger than a standard raw aluminum one. Titanium is more corrosion resistant compared to aluminum but that’s all I can gather. $180 for a set of titanium trucks that have a higher chance of breaking (even with the one piece axle) seems like a financial risk not worth taking.

I’m all about Ace and I’m aware their recycled Chinese aluminum has had problems but as far as Indy goes, I never hear about people breaking them. Ever.

Steel is stronger than titanium but heavier

Titanium is stronger than aluminum but heavier

Titanium has the best strength to weight ratio of the 3 metals.  You couldn't make an all steel truck because it would be too heavy.  An aluminum axle would be too brittle.  An all titanium truck would give you the ideal weight and durability but the grinding sucks on titanium because it is so hard.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skate_lurker_Rob on April 30, 2018, 06:06:16 PM
Indy 144's with Spitfire Lockins 53mm just about too loose but tight so no wheelbite on roll aways.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 30, 2018, 07:03:04 PM
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I always thought titanium was like an indestructible metal and after some google searching about axles and how Chromoly ones are actually stronger than titanium, I don’t see how a truck entirely made of titanium could be stronger than a standard raw aluminum one. Titanium is more corrosion resistant compared to aluminum but that’s all I can gather. $180 for a set of titanium trucks that have a higher chance of breaking (even with the one piece axle) seems like a financial risk not worth taking.

I’m all about Ace and I’m aware their recycled Chinese aluminum has had problems but as far as Indy goes, I never hear about people breaking them. Ever.
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Steel is stronger than titanium but heavier

Titanium is stronger than aluminum but heavier

Titanium has the best strength to weight ratio of the 3 metals.  You couldn't make an all steel truck because it would be too heavy.  An aluminum axle would be too brittle.  An all titanium truck would give you the ideal weight and durability but the grinding sucks on titanium because it is so hard.

Yah I got the tih's because of axel slip...I was plagued with that problem for years, I tried everything : Indy, thunder, fury, normal theeves, washers...spacers...

It's kind of a wild construction in the hanger and axel being one piece so I don't know if that design is stronger but other than that the trucks are crazy light, turn good but are not high,  they grind concrete well, but anything else...bad.  They don't wear down though for that reason....I could skate them to the end.  I'll give conventional trucks a shot and see how it goes....hopefully this thread doesn't prejudice any potential warranty. 

I haven't thought of it too much but I think softer the metal the better the grind no?  Aren't Aces soft and grind good? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 30, 2018, 07:22:38 PM
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I always thought titanium was like an indestructible metal and after some google searching about axles and how Chromoly ones are actually stronger than titanium, I don’t see how a truck entirely made of titanium could be stronger than a standard raw aluminum one. Titanium is more corrosion resistant compared to aluminum but that’s all I can gather. $180 for a set of titanium trucks that have a higher chance of breaking (even with the one piece axle) seems like a financial risk not worth taking.

I’m all about Ace and I’m aware their recycled Chinese aluminum has had problems but as far as Indy goes, I never hear about people breaking them. Ever.
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Steel is stronger than titanium but heavier

Titanium is stronger than aluminum but heavier

Titanium has the best strength to weight ratio of the 3 metals.  You couldn't make an all steel truck because it would be too heavy.  An aluminum axle would be too brittle.  An all titanium truck would give you the ideal weight and durability but the grinding sucks on titanium because it is so hard.
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Yah I got the tih's because of axel slip...I was plagued with that problem for years, I tried everything : Indy, thunder, fury, normal theeves, washers...spacers...

It's kind of a wild construction in the hanger and axel being one piece so I don't know if that design is stronger but other than that the trucks are crazy light, turn good but are not high,  they grind concrete well, but anything else...bad.  They don't wear down though for that reason....I could skate them to the end.  I'll give conventional trucks a shot and see how it goes....hopefully this thread doesn't prejudice any potential warranty. 

I haven't thought of it too much but I think softer the metal the better the grind no?  Aren't Aces soft and grind good?

Aces definitely grind down quicker than Indys, they grind good, but I didn't notice any substantial difference compared to indy or thunder when it comes to how well they grind. How bad do the TiHs grind on metal and flatbars? I hear people say they stick but is it really that bad?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 30, 2018, 07:28:51 PM
I'd say half as well as anything else....imagine a regular truck...worn down but no groove....like that.  Man I've skated them for awhile now and in every other way they are a really good truck.  The 8.5 ones I have are set up on some clunker FA board and it feels light....that's so sick.  But....screech.  Some tricks the grab helps me but for a guy who skates pretty slow.....not so good. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 30, 2018, 10:53:53 PM
Has anyone ever noticed the stock indy bushings have the indys at a height kinda standard almost mid but throwing in aftermarkets or bones makes them a bit taller?

I notice this but I wonder would breaking in the other bushings lower them eventually to the stock height
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on April 30, 2018, 11:28:04 PM
Quote from: rob on April 30, 2018, 10:53:53 PM
Has anyone ever noticed the stock indy bushings have the indys at a height kinda standard almost mid but throwing in aftermarkets or bones makes them a bit taller?

I notice this but I wonder would breaking in the other bushings lower them eventually to the stock height

No...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Octobre Rouge. on May 01, 2018, 12:32:54 AM
Hi,

I bought two plain Stage 11 Indy and swapped those orange cushions for some Krux aftermarket.

After skating, i checked the trucks and the krux cushions are chipping like crazy.

Any advice is more than welcomed
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on May 01, 2018, 01:01:40 AM
Quote from: Octobre Rouge. on May 01, 2018, 12:32:54 AM
Hi,

I bought two plain Stage 11 Indy and swapped those orange cushions for some Krux aftermarket.

After skating, i checked the trucks and the krux cushions are chipping like crazy.

Any advice is more than welcomed

Put the stock bushings back in... or buy some indy aftermarkets or bones bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NootNoot on May 01, 2018, 01:41:39 AM
Has anyone tried the new atv tensor trucks yet? Thinking of trying something new but not sure if it’s a waste. The specs sound good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 01, 2018, 01:50:21 AM
Quote from: NootNoot on May 01, 2018, 01:41:39 AM
Has anyone tried the new atv tensor trucks yet? Thinking of trying something new but not sure if it’s a waste. The specs sound good.

From my perspective no, stick to thunder or Indy or if your down for different try ace

Acceptable substitutes also include krux, theeve, venture Hi, and mini logo (to my experience)

Any other truck feels very cut back and kinda cheap(especially silvers, worse trucks to exist on the market)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NootNoot on May 01, 2018, 02:27:11 AM
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Has anyone tried the new atv tensor trucks yet? Thinking of trying something new but not sure if it’s a waste. The specs sound good.
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From my perspective no, stick to thunder or Indy or if your down for different try ace

Acceptable substitutes also include krux, theeve, venture Hi, and mini logo (to my experience)

Any other truck feels very cut back and kinda cheap(especially silvers, worse trucks to exist on the market)
I love the way ace turn but I don’t feel they use the same quality of materials as Indy or thunder (other than bushings great bushings). The baseplate holes ovalize really quick on ace but I haven’t tried the newer classics. I’m currently rocking ace44 on my cruiser and thunders on my regular setup but the thunders need replacing. Are mini logo really that good? I never would have guessed they look pretty cheap especially the hangar and Pivot cups. Theeve I’ve been tempted to try but they are really ugly trucks and expensive, I also saw a rat vision YouTube video where he proves that theeve was lying about their titanium trucks when they really had a very small amount of titanium and mostly aluminum, they told him it was “just marketing”.  I’ve also heard they were using fake bones bushings too so they don’t seem like the most honest company. Ventures I like but the sizing is off the 5.8 are too wide for 8.25-8.3. I agree about silver, I tried the m class a few months ago and they felt like Walmart trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 01, 2018, 08:09:05 AM
Stop talking about mini logo trucks, for the love of god. Those things are disgusting.

Do Theeve TiH’s sit on top of a normal baseplate? Or is it forged or also titanium?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 01, 2018, 10:32:29 AM
No they are just normal....crossed my mind to try and get a mag base but I'm not that koo koo...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 01, 2018, 12:51:27 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 01, 2018, 08:09:05 AM
Stop talking about mini logo trucks, for the love of god. Those things are disgusting.

Do Theeve TiH’s sit on top of a normal baseplate? Or is it forged or also titanium?

They are hideous but don’t judge a book by its cover they’re legit better than venture and I’d say almost on the level of thunder performance wise

They turn pretty good once broken in, quick turn and can carve, low and fast response for pop buttttt that low height is a double edged sword

I like them but they kinda have a weird manual point that throws me off bad so I just stick to the top 3

Thunder
Indy
Ace
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on May 01, 2018, 01:08:42 PM
I went to the park yesterday with Thunders and three different extra sets of bushings to try.  Then my kingpin nut stripped and I had to go home early.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 01, 2018, 04:51:16 PM
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Stop talking about mini logo trucks, for the love of god. Those things are disgusting.

Do Theeve TiH’s sit on top of a normal baseplate? Or is it forged or also titanium?
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They are hideous but don’t judge a book by its cover they’re legit better than venture and I’d say almost on the level of thunder performance wise

They turn pretty good once broken in, quick turn and can carve, low and fast response for pop buttttt that low height is a double edged sword

I like them but they kinda have a weird manual point that throws me off bad so I just stick to the top 3

Thunder
Indy
Ace

We all judge a book by its cover. Let’s face it. Those trucks are repulsive looking, and I know without ever riding them the turn isn’t good. Please rob...let’s never revisit ML truck discussion ever again. You’re losing your mind.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 01, 2018, 05:37:49 PM
So much of its marketing too....venture is an ugly truck....I hate the stupid thunder grenade....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 01, 2018, 07:26:44 PM
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I went back to my thunder 147 cause they respond fast and are lightest and I’m riding 8.2 and below and they work great

Kinda testing out ace 44 on the side since they work great too

Down to thunder vs ace

Might throw indy in there but kinda doubt it since compared to my top 2 choices the Indy are great at turning but response and weight throw me off
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Yep...if you can't decide ACE or Thunder....THEEVE is the right answer.....or I'd run two set ups...

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Lighter than indy (if you go for tiKings) and turn much sharper, are stable on center but can still carve. Youc an also leave them stock, #probably the only truck you don't have to fuck with.
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Except they look hideous. I noticed they bought back the Tih though, but that one has issues grinding on metal apparently.

Who gives a fuck what it looks like? better looking hanger/yoke than Indy...Function before fashion. People think ACE look like K-mart trucks yet people praise how they skate...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on May 01, 2018, 08:57:11 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 01, 2018, 04:51:16 PM
Quote from: rob on May 01, 2018, 12:51:27 PM
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Quote from: Diocletian on May 01, 2018, 08:09:05 AM
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Stop talking about mini logo trucks, for the love of god. Those things are disgusting.

Do Theeve TiH’s sit on top of a normal baseplate? Or is it forged or also titanium?
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They are hideous but don’t judge a book by its cover they’re legit better than venture and I’d say almost on the level of thunder performance wise

They turn pretty good once broken in, quick turn and can carve, low and fast response for pop buttttt that low height is a double edged sword

I like them but they kinda have a weird manual point that throws me off bad so I just stick to the top 3

Thunder
Indy
Ace
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We all judge a book by its cover. Let’s face it. Those trucks are repulsive looking, and I know without ever riding them the turn isn’t good. Please rob...let’s never revisit ML truck discussion ever again. You’re losing your mind.

ML turn better than Thunder and grind better than Indy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on May 02, 2018, 04:29:16 AM
Hi there fellow maddeners ;D

About them ML truck`s, sorry(why , i dont know). But i strted skateing sometimes 86-87.
I`ve ridden:

Gullving, sidewinder, street shadow, level III or something and more
Tracker, couple sets
Indy, many stages
many different generic trucks
Tensor
Krux 8.25
Ventures, a lot
Thunders, a lot
Origin
Fury, 825
Destucto
Royal

Propably forgetting some.
Anyways in the past years mainly ML.
Why, because there is no suprises with them. They just work. They just are there.
They are good, sorry.

Then again. At this age you just dont give a f. any more.

Next up tho, Thunder 148. Lets see ::)

Sorry, I`ll get me coat.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on May 02, 2018, 07:42:19 AM
I'm not saying that MLs are the best everywhere and what everyone should be on, just that they are a legit option.

I currently have a bunch of boards built.  Trucks on them are ML, Thunder, Indy, Krux and Royal.  If I had to choose one setup to skate everywhere I would go with an 8.25 board with 8.38 ML trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on May 02, 2018, 11:04:43 AM
Quote from: backinaction on May 02, 2018, 07:42:19 AM
I'm not saying that MLs are the best everywhere and what everyone should be on, just that they are a legit option.

I currently have a bunch of boards built.  Trucks on them are ML, Thunder, Indy, Krux and Royal.  If I had to choose one setup to skate everywhere I would go with an 8.25 board with 8.38 ML trucks.


Yeah you are right. It`s good on everything. But not nessesary great on anything/something spesific.

If i only skated mannys and flippy stuff. I`d skate venture 5,2 lows. Royal. Thunder....
For transition maybe Indy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on May 02, 2018, 06:19:56 PM
Aren't Mini Logos super low? Like you absolutely need risers if you want to ride bigger wheels low?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on May 02, 2018, 07:32:38 PM
Quote from: Willie on May 02, 2018, 06:19:56 PM
Aren't Mini Logos super low? Like you absolutely need risers if you want to ride bigger wheels low?

Super low. Can run 8” with 52s and be ok, but riser for everything bigger
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on May 02, 2018, 07:54:00 PM
This thread has gone off the rails.  I just looked on skate warehouse, Minilogo trucks are $2 cheaper than a pair of Ventures or Thunders.  Why on earth are these even considered options for you guys, unless your cheap Mom wouldn't spring for something else?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 02, 2018, 11:06:14 PM
Because there's nothing left to consider.....that's why.....now go away....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on May 03, 2018, 04:12:36 AM
I got a set of longboard trucks from a car boot sale complete, I think the long baseplate may interfere with my slappy nose slides but will the reverse kingpins hinder my grinds & will I still be able to kickflip or do I need to step of and underflip it with my hand?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kaydubbb on May 03, 2018, 06:52:27 AM
I'm hoping someone could help me with krux trucks please. The standard bushings are way too soft for me, I'm looking to put in something else but I'm having a hard time finding something where the boardside bushing is the same height as the standard krux one. Bones hardcores are way too short. Indys are a tad short. Anyone have any experience with swapping out krux bushings? Cheers guys and gals!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 03, 2018, 07:26:13 AM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on May 03, 2018, 06:52:27 AM
I'm hoping someone could help me with krux trucks please. The standard bushings are way too soft for me, I'm looking to put in something else but I'm having a hard time finding something where the boardside bushing is the same height as the standard krux one. Bones hardcores are way too short. Indys are a tad short. Anyone have any experience with swapping out krux bushings? Cheers guys and gals!

Thunder bushings will work, as will Mini Logo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 03, 2018, 09:46:11 AM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on May 03, 2018, 06:52:27 AM
I'm hoping someone could help me with krux trucks please. The standard bushings are way too soft for me, I'm looking to put in something else but I'm having a hard time finding something where the boardside bushing is the same height as the standard krux one. Bones hardcores are way too short. Indys are a tad short. Anyone have any experience with swapping out krux bushings? Cheers guys and gals!

try the bones bushings but use the stock washers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on May 03, 2018, 10:50:22 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 02, 2018, 11:06:14 PM
Because there's nothing left to consider.....that's why.....now go away....
Then maybe it's time to give up? If trucks are causing you that much grief, I don't know, maybe it's time to get in to online poker or road biking.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on May 03, 2018, 11:04:23 AM
don't act agressively towards other patients, mudafoka
(https://media.giphy.com/media/89Q3dHmkqKdWg/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on May 03, 2018, 11:55:14 AM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on May 03, 2018, 06:52:27 AM
I'm hoping someone could help me with krux trucks please. The standard bushings are way too soft for me, I'm looking to put in something else but I'm having a hard time finding something where the boardside bushing is the same height as the standard krux one. Bones hardcores are way too short. Indys are a tad short. Anyone have any experience with swapping out krux bushings? Cheers guys and gals!

I've used some old Ace Top Bushings before the re-worked the durometer. that ended up fixing the issue on a set of Krux that i've had. had to let them go cause they just didn't grind well for me. i liked the fact that they were broken in on the get-go.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 03, 2018, 02:23:52 PM
Quote from: Sad Hippo on May 03, 2018, 10:50:22 AM
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Because there's nothing left to consider.....that's why.....now go away....
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Then maybe it's time to give up? If trucks are causing you that much grief, I don't know, maybe it's time to get in to online poker or road biking.

This may be the only thread on slap that has consistently not broken out in arguments let’s try and keep it that way, friends. We’re all sick in the head with truck madness and are here to support each other. Except rob, he’s at the point of no return but he’s still cool.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kaydubbb on May 03, 2018, 02:35:46 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 03, 2018, 07:26:13 AM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on May 03, 2018, 06:52:27 AM
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I'm hoping someone could help me with krux trucks please. The standard bushings are way too soft for me, I'm looking to put in something else but I'm having a hard time finding something where the boardside bushing is the same height as the standard krux one. Bones hardcores are way too short. Indys are a tad short. Anyone have any experience with swapping out krux bushings? Cheers guys and gals!
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Thunder bushings will work, as will Mini Logo.


Have you used mini logo bushings in them personally? I only ask because in photos they look like the barrel bushing will be shorter. I need to order online because I can't get anything local and don't want to order bushings and then not be able to use them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on May 03, 2018, 03:55:25 PM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on May 03, 2018, 02:35:46 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 03, 2018, 07:26:13 AM
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Quote from: Kaydubbb on May 03, 2018, 06:52:27 AM
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I'm hoping someone could help me with krux trucks please. The standard bushings are way too soft for me, I'm looking to put in something else but I'm having a hard time finding something where the boardside bushing is the same height as the standard krux one. Bones hardcores are way too short. Indys are a tad short. Anyone have any experience with swapping out krux bushings? Cheers guys and gals!
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Thunder bushings will work, as will Mini Logo.
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Have you used mini logo bushings in them personally? I only ask because in photos they look like the barrel bushing will be shorter. I need to order online because I can't get anything local and don't want to order bushings and then not be able to use them.

Venom "downhill bushings", maybe?

https://www.tactics.com/venom/hpf-downhill-longboard-bushing-set-1-truck

They look abit high, but this guy made them work in a pair of tensor lows (look under the yellow highlighted section): http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2012/06/149-truck-comparison-test-final-results_04.html
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 03, 2018, 05:34:30 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 03, 2018, 02:23:52 PM
Quote from: Sad Hippo on May 03, 2018, 10:50:22 AM
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Because there's nothing left to consider.....that's why.....now go away....
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Then maybe it's time to give up? If trucks are causing you that much grief, I don't know, maybe it's time to get in to online poker or road biking.
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This may be the only thread on slap that has consistently not broken out in arguments let’s try and keep it that way, friends. We’re all sick in the head with truck madness and are here to support each other. Except rob, he’s at the point of no return but he’s still cool.

If you don't see any validity.....or humour in arguing about minilogo trucks.....then God help you. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 03, 2018, 07:16:55 PM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on May 03, 2018, 02:35:46 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 03, 2018, 07:26:13 AM
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Quote from: Kaydubbb on May 03, 2018, 06:52:27 AM
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I'm hoping someone could help me with krux trucks please. The standard bushings are way too soft for me, I'm looking to put in something else but I'm having a hard time finding something where the boardside bushing is the same height as the standard krux one. Bones hardcores are way too short. Indys are a tad short. Anyone have any experience with swapping out krux bushings? Cheers guys and gals!
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Thunder bushings will work, as will Mini Logo.
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Have you used mini logo bushings in them personally? I only ask because in photos they look like the barrel bushing will be shorter. I need to order online because I can't get anything local and don't want to order bushings and then not be able to use them.

Yes, I have! I got you brosef:

 ML (grn) Thunder (yellow) Krux (white)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/mh8JQI2ajXcD-5Gu_rzwGh6MZvWDX7OJnAdDFDvEmhr1IcdhbQzMuwQzlCXf94LhjIjIhonU--zHwF2iFuHCXRBNWN8Q3f3YnuJhfGlKZJGEOEU1DRCiIodLBHNgaq6mLyqwijzeBOc=w2400)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/9BQvbx-zPzLM2Zc-6aqh7TG9xx5tDDBvrJrKFDJ80-uk3uZz4VLFz2vN2LmNWPVQcC76sKMI4BdUYiMyTr2oCDPDMV7XVsJnOUqPHgGrgR4rgyz6ld-LrAADrWbzv1KxgEW9l2KrLRA=w2400)

Keep in mind that they've all been ridden to various amounts of time, in different trucks and different degrees of loose.

The pictures looked skewed a bit making the thunder look taller (if it is, it's only by .5mm so negligible) and the rounded edges of the ML bushing make it appear a smidge shorter.

Also, the Indy aftermarket conical bushings are damn close (I don't think you'd notice the difference in height; no idea why they are taller than Indy's own aftermarket barrels).


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 03, 2018, 07:19:43 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 03, 2018, 05:34:30 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 03, 2018, 02:23:52 PM
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Quote from: Sad Hippo on May 03, 2018, 10:50:22 AM
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Because there's nothing left to consider.....that's why.....now go away....
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Then maybe it's time to give up? If trucks are causing you that much grief, I don't know, maybe it's time to get in to online poker or road biking.
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This may be the only thread on slap that has consistently not broken out in arguments let’s try and keep it that way, friends. We’re all sick in the head with truck madness and are here to support each other. Except rob, he’s at the point of no return but he’s still cool.
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If you don't see any validity.....or humour in arguing about minilogo trucks.....then God help you.

I'd try the new Tensors before I go in for ML trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kaydubbb on May 03, 2018, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 03, 2018, 07:16:55 PM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on May 03, 2018, 02:35:46 PM
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Quote from: Xen on May 03, 2018, 07:26:13 AM
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Quote from: Kaydubbb on May 03, 2018, 06:52:27 AM
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I'm hoping someone could help me with krux trucks please. The standard bushings are way too soft for me, I'm looking to put in something else but I'm having a hard time finding something where the boardside bushing is the same height as the standard krux one. Bones hardcores are way too short. Indys are a tad short. Anyone have any experience with swapping out krux bushings? Cheers guys and gals!
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Thunder bushings will work, as will Mini Logo.
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Have you used mini logo bushings in them personally? I only ask because in photos they look like the barrel bushing will be shorter. I need to order online because I can't get anything local and don't want to order bushings and then not be able to use them.
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Yes, I have! I got you brosef:

 ML (grn) Thunder (yellow) Krux (white)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/mh8JQI2ajXcD-5Gu_rzwGh6MZvWDX7OJnAdDFDvEmhr1IcdhbQzMuwQzlCXf94LhjIjIhonU--zHwF2iFuHCXRBNWN8Q3f3YnuJhfGlKZJGEOEU1DRCiIodLBHNgaq6mLyqwijzeBOc=w2400)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/9BQvbx-zPzLM2Zc-6aqh7TG9xx5tDDBvrJrKFDJ80-uk3uZz4VLFz2vN2LmNWPVQcC76sKMI4BdUYiMyTr2oCDPDMV7XVsJnOUqPHgGrgR4rgyz6ld-LrAADrWbzv1KxgEW9l2KrLRA=w2400)

Keep in mind that they've all been ridden to various amounts of time, in different trucks and different degrees of loose.

The pictures looked skewed a bit making the thunder look taller (if it is, it's only by .5mm so negligible) and the rounded edges of the ML bushing make it appear a smidge shorter.

Also, the Indy aftermarket conical bushings are damn close (I don't think you'd notice the difference in height; no idea why they are taller than Indy's own aftermarket barrels).


Mate you are a legend! I remember you from skateboard city. Thanks for the help! Mini logo it is.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on May 05, 2018, 06:04:04 AM
What trucks are these? Can't tell on my phone
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on May 05, 2018, 06:23:51 AM
pixellized shitty ones
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on May 05, 2018, 12:50:54 PM
I am almost positive they are Krepers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kaydubbb on May 05, 2018, 11:28:49 PM
Alright guys so I bent the axles on my new krux trucks, I've also bent thunders, tensor and silver trucks in the past. Don't like how Indys feel so I'm looking at either venture, royal or theeve. I'm 98kg and stomp my landings pretty hard. Thunders were probably my favourite feeling truck. Help me choose new trucks please!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on May 05, 2018, 11:32:37 PM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on May 05, 2018, 11:28:49 PM
Alright guys so I bent the axles on my new krux trucks, I've also bent thunders, tensor and silver trucks in the past. Don't like how Indys feel so I'm looking at either venture, royal or theeve. I'm 98kg and stomp my landings pretty hard. Thunders were probably my favourite feeling truck. Help me choose new trucks please!
Try some hollow thunders, the hollow axle is stronger.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on May 05, 2018, 11:56:03 PM
Quote from: Sad Hippo on May 05, 2018, 11:32:37 PM
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Alright guys so I bent the axles on my new krux trucks, I've also bent thunders, tensor and silver trucks in the past. Don't like how Indys feel so I'm looking at either venture, royal or theeve. I'm 98kg and stomp my landings pretty hard. Thunders were probably my favourite feeling truck. Help me choose new trucks please!
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Try some hollow thunders, the hollow axle is stronger.

This isn't entirely true. Hollow axles have a better strength to weight ratio compared to solid ones, but given the same circumference, solid ones are still stronger, but just marginally. In practice, the difference is typically negligible. If bending axles is a big problem, perhaps try the thunder titaniums, which have an axle that is both solid and titanium(as long as they're not lying about the alloy being actually containing titanium).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on May 06, 2018, 12:00:25 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on May 05, 2018, 11:56:03 PM
Quote from: Sad Hippo on May 05, 2018, 11:32:37 PM
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Quote from: Kaydubbb on May 05, 2018, 11:28:49 PM
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Alright guys so I bent the axles on my new krux trucks, I've also bent thunders, tensor and silver trucks in the past. Don't like how Indys feel so I'm looking at either venture, royal or theeve. I'm 98kg and stomp my landings pretty hard. Thunders were probably my favourite feeling truck. Help me choose new trucks please!
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Try some hollow thunders, the hollow axle is stronger.
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This isn't entirely true. Hollow axles have a better strength to weight ratio compared to solid ones, but given the same circumference, solid ones are still stronger, but just marginally. In practice, the difference is typically negligible. If bending axles is a big problem, perhaps try the thunder titaniums, which have an axle that is both solid and titanium(as long as they're not lying about the alloy being actually containing titanium).
Shut up nerd.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on May 06, 2018, 12:14:21 AM
Quote from: Sad Hippo on May 06, 2018, 12:00:25 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on May 05, 2018, 11:56:03 PM
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Quote from: Sad Hippo on May 05, 2018, 11:32:37 PM
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Alright guys so I bent the axles on my new krux trucks, I've also bent thunders, tensor and silver trucks in the past. Don't like how Indys feel so I'm looking at either venture, royal or theeve. I'm 98kg and stomp my landings pretty hard. Thunders were probably my favourite feeling truck. Help me choose new trucks please!
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Try some hollow thunders, the hollow axle is stronger.
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This isn't entirely true. Hollow axles have a better strength to weight ratio compared to solid ones, but given the same circumference, solid ones are still stronger, but just marginally. In practice, the difference is typically negligible. If bending axles is a big problem, perhaps try the thunder titaniums, which have an axle that is both solid and titanium(as long as they're not lying about the alloy being actually containing titanium).
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Shut up nerd.

Let me refer you to what I linked earlier in this thread to really drive the point home:
https://www.mtbiker.sk/forum/resources/file/207637
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 06, 2018, 12:42:59 AM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on May 05, 2018, 11:28:49 PM
Alright guys so I bent the axles on my new krux trucks, I've also bent thunders, tensor and silver trucks in the past. Don't like how Indys feel so I'm looking at either venture, royal or theeve. I'm 98kg and stomp my landings pretty hard. Thunders were probably my favourite feeling truck. Help me choose new trucks please!

You mean 216 lb right? If those are your 3 choices theeve is the best of the choices you have, otherwise I say give thunder a chance again cause I mean big boy foy rides them chucking himself on rails and over stuff
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 06, 2018, 05:54:17 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on May 05, 2018, 11:56:03 PM
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Quote from: Kaydubbb on May 05, 2018, 11:28:49 PM
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Alright guys so I bent the axles on my new krux trucks, I've also bent thunders, tensor and silver trucks in the past. Don't like how Indys feel so I'm looking at either venture, royal or theeve. I'm 98kg and stomp my landings pretty hard. Thunders were probably my favourite feeling truck. Help me choose new trucks please!
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Try some hollow thunders, the hollow axle is stronger.
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This isn't entirely true. Hollow axles have a better strength to weight ratio compared to solid ones, but given the same circumference, solid ones are still stronger, but just marginally. In practice, the difference is typically negligible. If bending axles is a big problem, perhaps try the thunder titaniums, which have an axle that is both solid and titanium(as long as they're not lying about the alloy being actually containing titanium).

Two things:

1. A hollow axle is less prone to bending than a solid axle
2. Steel is less prone to bending than titanium

If bending axles are your problem, get a pair of Ventures with the hollow axle. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 06, 2018, 09:48:37 AM
Hollow axle or kingpin of the same material as a solid chromoly one is not stronger.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vitriol on May 06, 2018, 02:18:45 PM
Amazing...
Dude takes the time to post a link with formulas confirming that for a given diameter (which is the case in our trucks) the bending resistance will be greater for a solid rod than for a hollow tube of the same material (by a ratio of 85%, it demonstrates), yet people will still recommend to skate hollows to avoid bending...

As for material, a quick search indicates that there is no definitive answer here since we are possibly talking about a great number of different alloys.
The strongest alloy steels are stronger than the strongest titanium alloys (each taken in their hardest tempers), but it's obviously not what they sell you to put under your deck.
Also, the most commonly used alloy of Titanium (6al4v) is significantly stronger than the most commonly used steels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on May 06, 2018, 04:57:33 PM
I don't even really want to bring up Mini Logos again because I'm not planning on buying any but I seem to remember reading something about them being abnormally low so that if you wanted big wheels/loose trucks you absolutely needed risers.

Is this accurate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on May 06, 2018, 04:59:49 PM
Quote from: Willie on May 06, 2018, 04:57:33 PM
I don't even really want to bring up Mini Logos again because I'm not planning on buying any but I seem to remember reading something about them being abnormally low so that if you wanted big wheels/loose trucks you absolutely needed risers.

Is this accurate?

yes, they're like 48mm or something
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 06, 2018, 05:30:26 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on May 06, 2018, 04:59:49 PM
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I don't even really want to bring up Mini Logos again because I'm not planning on buying any but I seem to remember reading something about them being abnormally low so that if you wanted big wheels/loose trucks you absolutely needed risers.

Is this accurate?
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yes, they're like 48mm or something

I've read 47.5mm and 49mm but nothing official - either way they're looooow.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 06, 2018, 07:36:42 PM
We can only bring up Theeve so many times......minilogo was inevitable......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 07, 2018, 07:10:36 AM
Quote from: rob on May 06, 2018, 12:42:59 AM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on May 05, 2018, 11:28:49 PM
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Alright guys so I bent the axles on my new krux trucks, I've also bent thunders, tensor and silver trucks in the past. Don't like how Indys feel so I'm looking at either venture, royal or theeve. I'm 98kg and stomp my landings pretty hard. Thunders were probably my favourite feeling truck. Help me choose new trucks please!
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You mean 216 lb right? If those are your 3 choices theeve is the best of the choices you have, otherwise I say give thunder a chance again cause I mean big boy foy rides them chucking himself on rails and over stuff

Foy is:

A) Sponsored by Thunder, he gets a box of trucks a month no doubt
B) Skates with other dudes also on Thunder and can get hooked up from any one of his (DW) homies if he bends fucks up a truck

Pros destroy shit way more than we do, they just don't talk about it publically is my guess and in their circles, it's probably more like, "Dude, I bent the FUCK out of these trucks trying that <xxx> in, f/s 5-0 to rail, to <180 tonyhawkgameruinedskateboadinggrind > to <xxx> out on that 654 stair set recently."
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 07, 2018, 07:54:09 AM
Quote from: Vitriol on May 06, 2018, 02:18:45 PM
Amazing...
Dude takes the time to post a link with formulas confirming that for a given diameter (which is the case in our trucks) the bending resistance will be greater for a solid rod than for a hollow tube of the same material (by a ratio of 85%, it demonstrates), yet people will still recommend to skate hollows to avoid bending...

As for material, a quick search indicates that there is no definitive answer here since we are possibly talking about a great number of different alloys.
The strongest alloy steels are stronger than the strongest titanium alloys (each taken in their hardest tempers), but it's obviously not what they sell you to put under your deck.
Also, the most commonly used alloy of Titanium (6al4v) is significantly stronger than the most commonly used steels.

Regular model truck axles are made of chromoly, which is still stronger than the titanium axles they put in the expensive ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on May 07, 2018, 08:13:07 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 07, 2018, 07:54:09 AM
Regular model truck axles are made of chromoly, which is still stronger than the titanium axles they put in the expensive ones.
Personally, I'm too light to bend axles, so I'd rather sacrifice some strength to have a lighter setup
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hey pickle on May 07, 2018, 10:17:49 AM
Quote from: Firebert on May 07, 2018, 08:13:07 AM
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Regular model truck axles are made of chromoly, which is still stronger than the titanium axles they put in the expensive ones.
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Personally, I'm too light to bend axles, so I'd rather sacrifice some strength to have a lighter setup

titanium grinds weird, i like soft chinese metal over ermico. was on ace 44, now on indy 139 ti which are good in every sense other than how they feel when youre grinding anything, gonna go krux next i think
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NootNoot on May 07, 2018, 11:17:33 AM
Quote from: hey pickle on May 07, 2018, 10:17:49 AM
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Regular model truck axles are made of chromoly, which is still stronger than the titanium axles they put in the expensive ones.
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Personally, I'm too light to bend axles, so I'd rather sacrifice some strength to have a lighter setup
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titanium grinds weird, i like soft chinese metal over ermico. was on ace 44, now on indy 139 ti which are good in every sense other than how they feel when youre grinding anything, gonna go krux next i think
I’ve heard a few people say this about thunder titanium’s but Isn’t the hangar the exact same material as non ti trucks? It’s just the axle that’s titanium so it shouldn’t grind any different. Unless you are talking the feeling and vibrations which I guess could be different but probably the forged baseplate would make that difference over the cast one.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 07, 2018, 03:06:59 PM
Quote from: NootNoot on May 07, 2018, 11:17:33 AM
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Regular model truck axles are made of chromoly, which is still stronger than the titanium axles they put in the expensive ones.
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Personally, I'm too light to bend axles, so I'd rather sacrifice some strength to have a lighter setup
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titanium grinds weird, i like soft chinese metal over ermico. was on ace 44, now on indy 139 ti which are good in every sense other than how they feel when youre grinding anything, gonna go krux next i think
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I’ve heard a few people say this about thunder titanium’s but Isn’t the hangar the exact same material as non ti trucks? It’s just the axle that’s titanium so it shouldn’t grind any different. Unless you are talking the feeling and vibrations which I guess could be different but probably the forged baseplate would make that difference over the cast one.

Only axle is different (that we know of).

I also prefer the feel of Krux/ACE over the others.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 07, 2018, 05:01:13 PM
Yeah I can't see how the axels change a grind but maybe a different factory makes them hence different alloys?  I dunno....you guys think hollows grind different? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 07, 2018, 06:43:36 PM
Doesn’t matter if a truck is hollow or titanium or whatever, the hanger is still aluminum and grinds the same, besides the TiH’s obviously.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 08, 2018, 10:43:05 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 07, 2018, 06:43:36 PM
Doesn’t matter if a truck is hollow or titanium or whatever, the hanger is still aluminum and grinds the same, besides the TiH’s obviously.

It's a feel thing, solid kings and axles make a truck (heavier) feel different, just like cast vs forged changes the way the board feels (and sounds at least to me); I'd say cast vs/ forged plates has a greater effect on how a board sounds and feels vs an axle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on May 08, 2018, 11:33:25 AM
Anyone run Ace bushings in Indy's?  Wanted to try a firmer barrel bottom, softer cone top without having to run yellow/red two color setup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 08, 2018, 01:37:14 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on May 08, 2018, 11:33:25 AM
Anyone run Ace bushings in Indy's?  Wanted to try a firmer barrel bottom, softer cone top without having to run yellow/red two color setup.

The ace bushings are taller compared to Indys, especially the after market ones.

I tried both mix/matching duros and bushings (ML and Indy) and using soft bones bottom/hard top to try out the combo; not really a fan as I ride loose and expected the flop that you get from soft bushings (it's just what I am used to) soft bottoms, hard tops just didn't turn fast enough for me, it was like riding tighter trucks or harder bushing all around.

I'm just going to stick with my theeves and soft bones top and bottom
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on May 09, 2018, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 09, 2018, 12:45:17 PM
Anyone here know if 1” hardware will work with an 1/8” riser without any worries, or should I order 1 1/8” length hardware?

I used to do that all the time 1 inch is fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 09, 2018, 12:58:21 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 09, 2018, 12:45:17 PM
Anyone here know if 1” hardware will work with an 1/8” riser without any worries, or should I order 1 1/8” length hardware?

I would recommend 1 1/8" especially if you have cast baseplates
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on May 09, 2018, 01:16:20 PM
Holy shit. You CANNOT use old hardware.  You are playing with fire now...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on May 09, 2018, 01:22:55 PM
1" works fine just like 7/8" works fine without risers. The screw will be pretty much flush with the nut unless you absolutely fucking drill those screws in the board (please don't)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 09, 2018, 03:34:48 PM
Quote from: Roisto on May 09, 2018, 01:22:55 PM
1" works fine just like 7/8" works fine without risers. The screw will be pretty much flush with the nut unless you absolutely fucking drill those screws in the board (please don't)

I just ordered 1" bolts for the first time in forever (I always use 7/8"); I'm hoping I can overcome my OCD :P
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dwyck on May 09, 2018, 05:58:52 PM
Quote from: Not Local on May 09, 2018, 01:16:20 PM
Holy shit. You CANNOT use old hardware.  You are playing with fire now...

Yea i do not fuck around with old shit. stripping is too dangerous
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 09, 2018, 07:49:24 PM
Quote from: Dwyck on May 09, 2018, 05:58:52 PM
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Holy shit. You CANNOT use old hardware.  You are playing with fire now...
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Yea i do not fuck around with old shit. stripping is too dangerous

Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do -Gotta get them dollas, HOLLA!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on May 09, 2018, 09:06:30 PM
Quote from: Dwyck on May 09, 2018, 05:58:52 PM
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Holy shit. You CANNOT use old hardware.  You are playing with fire now...
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Yea i do not fuck around with old shit. stripping is too dangerous

I use hardware until the nyloc in the nuts look like completely prolapsed anuses and I feel like they still work ok. Only Allen though, fuck combi and fuck Philips, those things strip way too easily. Could probably set up at least 10 boards with one set of hardware. 🤔
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 09, 2018, 10:37:33 PM
I got it

Was ripping it up with my mini logo 8”

They feel like back in the day reliable krux downlow 3.5

If any of you guys rode a setup with a 7.5-7.8 deck and the old krux lows and remembered how much solid pop the setup was

That’s how mini logos feel, like the old krux downlows

Legit not kooking around, if your like me and prefer street tech skating and a lot of flip tricks and Ollie’s

Either thunder 147 with bones hards only bottom washer(yes the big one) or definitely try mini logo with the same bushing setup or stock

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on May 09, 2018, 11:57:45 PM
Quote from: rob on May 09, 2018, 10:37:33 PM
I got it

Was ripping it up with my mini logo 8”

They feel like back in the day reliable krux downlow 3.5

If any of you guys rode a setup with a 7.5-7.8 deck and the old krux lows and remembered how much solid pop the setup was

That’s how mini logos feel, like the old krux downlows

Legit not kooking around, if your like me and prefer street tech skating and a lot of flip tricks and Ollie’s

Either thunder 147 with bones hards only bottom washer(yes the big one) or definitely try mini logo with the same bushing setup or stock

No one is…
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 10, 2018, 12:39:10 AM
remember 16 pages back when he cured his madness with thunders?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 10, 2018, 10:09:51 AM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on May 10, 2018, 12:39:10 AM
remember 16 pages back when he cured his madness with thunders?

Haha I’m still riding thunders mostly 90% of the time

Mini logo trucks are very good

I have them on my other setup
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 10, 2018, 10:13:53 AM
I just got the thunder  team hollows/ OG baseplate.....is it worth mucking around hammering out the kingpin to put in my krux and change out the bushings? or just ride them like a normal person before I dive back into,the madness?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 10, 2018, 10:41:33 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 10, 2018, 10:13:53 AM
I just got the thunder  team hollows/ OG baseplate.....is it worth mucking around hammering out the kingpin to put in my krux and change out the bushings? or just ride them like a normal person before I dive back into,the madness?

Krux pin maybe, but I wouldn't swap out the bushings, at least not the bottom as I've found nothing the same height that is conical.

One has to remember that the Krux pin originated from the Krux Downlow models, a lower truck so it's a tad shorter due to the design making it tough for someone like me, who rides loose, to get the bushings right. I had thought the solution was to shave down the top bushing so I would have more room to play with the nut and while this worked, the end result, given how loose I ride had the top washer binding with the hanger (like Stage Xs did); if you ride tight it should not be an issue.

I've ditched using the Krux pins after trying them with my aces and the newer bushings, the length of the pins makes it impossible for me to get loose enough without the fear of the nut falling off during a session unless I use super soft bushings and crank them down (which doesn't always work).



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on May 10, 2018, 12:03:15 PM
Quote from: rob on May 10, 2018, 10:09:51 AM
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remember 16 pages back when he cured his madness with thunders?
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Haha I’m still riding thunders mostly 90% of the time

Mini logo trucks are very good

I have them on my other personnality
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 10, 2018, 02:40:47 PM
Quote from: the snake on May 10, 2018, 12:03:15 PM
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remember 16 pages back when he cured his madness with thunders?
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Haha I’m still riding thunders mostly 90% of the time

Mini logo trucks are very good

I have them on my other personnality
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They really are good trucks
They respond very nicely like a smoother more controlled thunder

I Love them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on May 10, 2018, 07:00:34 PM
Been running Bones Mediums w/ flat washers on both bushings in my Ventures and I've been digging it so far. They look kinda cool in black too.

(https://i.imgur.com/ba6ge2T.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on May 11, 2018, 01:37:50 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 10, 2018, 10:13:53 AM
I just got the thunder  team hollows/ OG baseplate.....is it worth mucking around hammering out the kingpin to put in my krux and change out the bushings? or just ride them like a normal person before I dive back into,the madness?

I had a minor melt down getting the kingpin out of forged thunders to do this. The nut sticks just above flush with the forged but I'm fat, ride loose trucks and 54 wheels so I have a 1/8 bones riser with a little taken out between the logo's ears and that works just fine.
"Normal is a setting on a washing machine."
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 11, 2018, 04:34:20 AM
Just reporting that I still have my peace with these new V2.5 stock Ace's.  They turn amazingly well, stable pop, controlled in bowls, minimal wheel bite, etc. 


I'm sure they're not for everyone but these are pretty much a set it and forget it truck. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 11, 2018, 06:30:19 AM
I agree, Steve. They truly can be ran stock and work perfectly fine for most people. I’m heavier so I can’t run them insanely loose without wheelbite, though. I’ve decided to put aside my distaste for risers and try out some conical bushings with an 1/8” riser and make them extra carvy to eliminate the wheelbite and get an even deeper turn out of them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 11, 2018, 10:07:22 AM
Quote from: Jollyoli on May 11, 2018, 01:37:50 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 10, 2018, 10:13:53 AM
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I just got the thunder  team hollows/ OG baseplate.....is it worth mucking around hammering out the kingpin to put in my krux and change out the bushings? or just ride them like a normal person before I dive back into,the madness?
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I had a minor melt down getting the kingpin out of forged thunders to do this. The nut sticks just above flush with the forged but I'm fat, ride loose trucks and 54 wheels so I have a 1/8 bones riser with a little taken out between the logo's ears and that works just fine.
"Normal is a setting on a washing machine."

I peaced a perfectly good set of thunders I assumed they were cast because they were older, and I just wouldn't stop pounding.....these are the OG ones so hopefully when and if I switch them out it won't be a problem....

Good thing is I'm a bit lazy and so ill roll with it stock for a bit....

If you care about carving around ACE are the best....they are a higher truck too so wheel bite isn't as bad. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 11, 2018, 10:32:36 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 11, 2018, 10:07:22 AM
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I just got the thunder  team hollows/ OG baseplate.....is it worth mucking around hammering out the kingpin to put in my krux and change out the bushings? or just ride them like a normal person before I dive back into,the madness?
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I had a minor melt down getting the kingpin out of forged thunders to do this. The nut sticks just above flush with the forged but I'm fat, ride loose trucks and 54 wheels so I have a 1/8 bones riser with a little taken out between the logo's ears and that works just fine.
"Normal is a setting on a washing machine."
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I peaced a perfectly good set of thunders I assumed they were cast because they were older, and I just wouldn't stop pounding.....these are the OG ones so hopefully when and if I switch them out it won't be a problem....

Good thing is I'm a bit lazy and so ill roll with it stock for a bit....

If you care about carving around ACE are the best....they are a higher truck too so wheel bite isn't as bad.

Ace = 52MM
Thunder - 52.3MM forged / 53.3mm cast
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on May 11, 2018, 10:56:55 AM
Height is not the only factor for wheelbite since the wheel moves at an arc.  Wheel shape and truck geo matter more.

I find I get less wheelbite with Classics, but still have it with Indies. I really want to try Ace just to have less in general, not run looser.  Also have some Thunders lying around but apparently those aren't too kind on bite either.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NootNoot on May 11, 2018, 11:50:39 AM
I think because classics have a rounded edge they don’t dig into the deck as much, instead of a conical wheel that has a hard edge that catches the deck. Maybe not though. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 11, 2018, 03:14:45 PM
At 175lbs I find that if I'm not riding bones softs, top and bottom, everything is too tight; I get WB with EVERYTHING, I could be riding 45mm wheels, stacked risers and I'll still get pitched ;)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on May 11, 2018, 04:21:44 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on May 11, 2018, 10:56:55 AM
Height is not the only factor for wheelbite since the wheel moves at an arc.  Wheel shape and truck geo matter more.

I find I get less wheelbite with Classics, but still have it with Indies. I really want to try Ace just to have less in general, not run looser.  Also have some Thunders lying around but apparently those aren't too kind on bite either.

Good point. I get way less wheel bite on Ace b/c of the way they carve. There other ways ways to reduce wheel bite, aside from risers and bushings, like you said, wheel shape, but also deck to truck width ratio can play a role. For instance, I get more wheel bite with wider trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NootNoot on May 11, 2018, 07:34:06 PM
A lot of people on here seem to prefer wide trucks so that the wheels line up with the edge of the deck, like 159 on 8.5 or 149 on 8.25, which made me try that out but I find its way harder to get leverage in the pocket and there’s more wheelbite. Also weird locking into grinds. Doesn’t work for me. I like the axle nut to be flush. Someone said a few pages back that 159 was too small on 8.5 and they wanted to go 169, or Cyril Jackson skates 149 on size 8. It’s crazy how much comes down to preference in skateboarding or maybe I over analyze things. This was never a care for me until I started reading robs posts. His posts should come with a disclaimer attached in his signature. Rob could sell me on anything something about his avatar combined with his words eats away in my inner ear until I try what he says is best.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nsskater1993 on May 11, 2018, 08:43:57 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 11, 2018, 03:14:45 PM
At 175lbs I find that if I'm not riding bones softs, top and bottom, everything is too tight; I get WB with EVERYTHING, I could be riding 45mm wheels, stacked risers and I'll still get pitched ;)

Funny I was just looking all over the place for reviews/opinions on bones soft bushings since I bought some on a whim. They'll be coming Monday, haven't tried bones bushings yet, pumped to try these softs. I'm 190 pounds so it's nice to know you have good experiences with them. How soft do they feel? I looked it up and it said they're like 81a I think.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shitcunt on May 11, 2018, 11:06:00 PM
Anybody ever tried gullwings? I'm tempted to for no other reason than the fact that I'm pretty sure nobody has tried to skate street with them in the current millennia. (https://www.gullwingtruckco.com/resize/Shared/Images/Product/8-5-SHADOW-DLX-TRUCK-1pc-SILVER/SHADOW-SILVER-BACK.png?bw=1000&w=1000&bh=1000&h=1000)
They also apparently did a collab truck with B.A.K.U.
(https://www.gullwingtruckco.com/resize/Shared/Images/Product/BA-KU-PRO-III-1pc-BLACK/PRO-III-BAKU-BACK.png?bw=1000&w=1000&bh=1000&h=1000)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 11, 2018, 11:56:30 PM
Fellas, I’m putting bones mediums on my Indy’s and while when they’re brand new I leave the nut flush i find myself cranking them down after some time, would switching up to bones hards help me keep my nut flush for longer ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 12, 2018, 12:33:32 AM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on May 11, 2018, 11:56:30 PM
Fellas, I’m putting bones mediums on my Indy’s and while when they’re brand new I leave the nut flush i find myself cranking them down after some time, would switching up to bones hards help me keep my nut flush for longer ?

Yes. Think of it this way, Well broken in hards are closer to new mediums, well broken in mediums are closer to new softs (not really but you get the idea), well broken in softs is like putting rubber bands around your kingpin.

Hard take a loooooooooooooooooooooong time to break in tho, be warned.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on May 12, 2018, 12:47:41 AM
Quote from: Xen on May 12, 2018, 12:33:32 AM
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Fellas, I’m putting bones mediums on my Indy’s and while when they’re brand new I leave the nut flush i find myself cranking them down after some time, would switching up to bones hards help me keep my nut flush for longer ?
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Yes. Think of it this way, Well broken in hards are closer to new mediums, well broken in mediums are closer to new softs (not really but you get the idea), well broken in softs is like putting rubber bands around your kingpin.

Hard take a loooooooooooooooooooooong time to break in tho, be warned.

Haha!  ;D

Softs are crazy soft, mediums and hards are way too hard for me. Thankfully I've found the light with stock Aces and am getting rid of all my other trucks!  :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 12, 2018, 12:57:27 AM
That’s a really clear breakdown, good looks XEN   +1
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 12, 2018, 06:36:15 AM
Quote from: shitcunt on May 11, 2018, 11:06:00 PM
Anybody ever tried gullwings? I'm tempted to for no other reason than the fact that I'm pretty sure nobody has tried to skate street with them in the current millennia. (https://www.gullwingtruckco.com/resize/Shared/Images/Product/8-5-SHADOW-DLX-TRUCK-1pc-SILVER/SHADOW-SILVER-BACK.png?bw=1000&w=1000&bh=1000&h=1000)
They also apparently did a collab truck with B.A.K.U.
(https://www.gullwingtruckco.com/resize/Shared/Images/Product/BA-KU-PRO-III-1pc-BLACK/PRO-III-BAKU-BACK.png?bw=1000&w=1000&bh=1000&h=1000)

I don't know too much about the regular ones but the barrier cult ones....the main thing I'd warn you of is they don't have much of a turning radius. They were trucks made for vert.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: danjtony on May 12, 2018, 07:57:50 AM
^ A lot of people like the Pro III's, but this was my experience (set em up for a retro board):

Out of the box--they don't turn, at all. Even with the nut barely hanging on. And yet, somehow they speed wobble really easily.

The bushings are too damn tall to be replaced with anything else. The only solution I found was bones mediums with the washer added to the bottom (they don't come stock with a bottom washer, there's just a seat that the bushing fit into). They actually carve decent after doing this, but still speed wobble like crazy. I got pitched and hyper-extended my knee just coming down a goddamn bank at a skatepark.

I'm pretty open minded when it comes to trucks, but these are unadulterated crap.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IHOP on May 13, 2018, 09:14:22 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 12, 2018, 06:36:15 AM
Quote from: shitcunt on May 11, 2018, 11:06:00 PM
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Anybody ever tried gullwings? I'm tempted to for no other reason than the fact that I'm pretty sure nobody has tried to skate street with them in the current millennia. (https://www.gullwingtruckco.com/resize/Shared/Images/Product/8-5-SHADOW-DLX-TRUCK-1pc-SILVER/SHADOW-SILVER-BACK.png?bw=1000&w=1000&bh=1000&h=1000)
They also apparently did a collab truck with B.A.K.U.
(https://www.gullwingtruckco.com/resize/Shared/Images/Product/BA-KU-PRO-III-1pc-BLACK/PRO-III-BAKU-BACK.png?bw=1000&w=1000&bh=1000&h=1000)
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I don't know too much about the regular ones but the barrier cult ones....the main thing I'd warn you of is they don't have much of a turning radius. They were trucks made for vert.....

Friend who mainly skates bowls really likes them, he skates street too but definitely isnt flipping into or out of any ledges.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on May 13, 2018, 09:23:03 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 11, 2018, 03:14:45 PM
At 175lbs I find that if I'm not riding bones softs, top and bottom, everything is too tight; I get WB with EVERYTHING, I could be riding 45mm wheels, stacked risers and I'll still get pitched ;)

You get WB with the softs, or with things other than softs?

I tried Bones and Indy conical and found it a bit squirely feelin'.  Now just on the aftermarket Indy cylinder med and they have softened up a decent amount and feel pretty good. Feel a bit more stable until you lean in and then they really cut.

I'd try Ace, but I hate having new trucks.  And even these Indys are still really fresh. Not trying to rock a Christmas complete in June.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Clock3rs on May 14, 2018, 01:30:16 AM
So my second pair of krux bent and cracked within 2 months. So theres no option going back to them ever again.

Hence I am thinking of either riding Indys 149 Hollow forged or the Thunder Hollow Teams 149, as these are 1 mm higher than the forged ones.

Any opinions? I usually ride generator boards, baker 8.5 shape or polar 8.5 shapes. I like my boards at least 32 inch long. Heard good but also bad shit about thunder trucks. Only heard good shit about Indys, though they are kind of "high", aren't they? It's been at least 6 years that I rode my last independents (hollow) and I believe they were lower back then.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sorry on May 14, 2018, 02:00:12 AM
Quote from: Clock3rs on May 14, 2018, 01:30:16 AM
Only heard good shit about Indys, though they are kind of "high", aren't they? It's been at least 6 years that I rode my last independents (hollow) and I believe they were lower back then.

standard indy are 55mm
indy with forged baseplate are 53.5mm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: clintendo on May 14, 2018, 02:16:34 AM
If anyone out there has been having trouble finding the balance in bones bushing between medium and hard, if you can get a hold of them, get yourselves the bushings that come with the theeve V3's, they'll look exactly like bones but will have white plastic instead of the usual blue, yellow or black, they are the perfect balance between the medium and hard compounds.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on May 14, 2018, 06:08:44 AM
Re: Gullwings

I have a friend who skates the BAKUs and some plastic hanger version who likes them but he's heavy and a bowlrider. I think that groove thing would be awful- I know that's not where I wear grooves on my trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on May 14, 2018, 06:15:26 AM
yeah who the fuck locks into any grinds bang in the middle of the trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on May 14, 2018, 11:32:12 AM
My trucks are too loose now that it's getting hot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 14, 2018, 12:24:23 PM
The pro III’s have gotta be top on the list of ugliest trucks ever made. I tried those Shadows, the version in the photo which are just raw cast from China, and I also tried the made in USA ones with the silver cast hanger and black baseplate. They’re the heaviest trucks I’ve ever skated, are only like 50mm tall so you need risers, and turn like an Indy, maybe a little slower. The kingpin is reversible in the USA ones but it didn’t make much of difference. Cool thing is you can just take out the kingpin and use an inverted one easily without the need for any hammering or JB Weld. They’re not the worst trucks ever but not anything special. Basically just a cool guy alternative when you don’t wanna ride Indy or any of the other “big” ones and still stay hesh. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 14, 2018, 01:02:39 PM
I have the inverted kingpins and they are super heavy duty but the head sticks out so you can hang up on them....the royal one's look like dog shit too compared to the krux ones which are awesome. 

It's kind of a specialty item but I dunno why no one else makes the inverted kingpins. If any of you wanted to do a side hustle I think people would buy these....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 14, 2018, 01:11:06 PM
Are you talking about those NOS Gullwing stainless steel inverted allen head kingpins? I have a set of those brand new actually. They feel indestructible but I haven’t tried them. Bought them off a dude on eBay just to have them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 14, 2018, 05:46:54 PM
Exactly....they are like military grade hardware....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Clock3rs on May 15, 2018, 01:56:22 AM
bought the indy 149 hollow. riding the stock bushings. Fucking love them. fuck krux
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on May 15, 2018, 02:08:52 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on May 14, 2018, 06:15:26 AM
yeah who the fuck locks into any grinds bang in the middle of the trucks.

Sheepishly puts up hand.
I blame Gullwings and crusty old skateparks with noping.
Hence my inverted kingpin fixation.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on May 15, 2018, 03:44:59 AM
Quote from: Jollyoli on May 15, 2018, 02:08:52 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on May 14, 2018, 06:15:26 AM
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yeah who the fuck locks into any grinds bang in the middle of the trucks.
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Sheepishly puts up hand.
I blame Gullwings and crusty old skateparks with noping.
Hence my inverted kingpin fixation.

I mostly skate angle iron and my trucks always wear around the kingpin the most. I have always believed the culprit is the shape of the hanger with less material to be ground of at that area, hence the gullwing trucks effect.
@Cosmic Gypsies  I will show you the trucks in person in about 10 days haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on May 15, 2018, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: Esquivel on May 15, 2018, 03:44:59 AM
Quote from: Jollyoli on May 15, 2018, 02:08:52 AM
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Quote from: cosmicgypsies on May 14, 2018, 06:15:26 AM
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yeah who the fuck locks into any grinds bang in the middle of the trucks.
[close]

Sheepishly puts up hand.
I blame Gullwings and crusty old skateparks with noping.
Hence my inverted kingpin fixation.
[close]

I mostly skate angle iron and my trucks always wear around the kingpin the most. I have always believed the culprit is the shape of the hanger with less material to be ground of at that area, hence the gullwing trucks effect.
@Cosmic Gypsies  I will show you the trucks in person in about 10 days haha

i mostly skate transition so i just have a nice gash in my back truck, never really seen anyone with grooves in the center of their trucks. normally see em on either side from tranny grinds, hefty crook/feeble grooves etc but never in the middle.

(https://i.imgur.com/04Gng8Q.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rcEiPD6.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on May 15, 2018, 12:48:49 PM
^Looking good!

My center groove is not as pronounced as the crook grooves. It is there though and when I do 5050's on curbs it often throws me of.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: patrick c. on May 15, 2018, 06:16:22 PM
I know this has probably been discussed before but is there a difference in height between stage 10 and 11 indys?  Thinking about setting up a board with one of each but worried it will mess with my truck ocd.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on May 16, 2018, 12:03:17 AM
Quote from: patrick c. on May 15, 2018, 06:16:22 PM
I know this has probably been discussed before but is there a difference in height between stage 10 and 11 indys?  Thinking about setting up a board with one of each but worried it will mess with my truck ocd.
Stage 10’s are lower, I think same height as stage 11 forged, 53,5mm, while regular stage XI are 55mm tall.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 16, 2018, 12:37:28 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on May 15, 2018, 11:27:26 AM


Have a gnar for your efforts, those should go in the “grind down to the axle” thread
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 16, 2018, 01:14:31 AM
Quote from: patrick c. on May 15, 2018, 06:16:22 PM
I know this has probably been discussed before but is there a difference in height between stage 10 and 11 indys?  Thinking about setting up a board with one of each but worried it will mess with my truck ocd.

Not only in height but response

11 are really up to date with today’s skating needing a quicker turn and deep

10 are a bit sticky, you gotta try for turns and they go deep but slow on response for turns. They were made for the era when people jumped down stairs and needed stability. If you want to make the turn quicker bones mediums were made perfectly for stage 10 in mind
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: patrick c. on May 16, 2018, 02:15:07 AM
Not what I wanted to hear but appreciate the responses
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on May 16, 2018, 02:50:22 AM
Quote from: rob on May 16, 2018, 01:14:31 AM
Quote from: patrick c. on May 15, 2018, 06:16:22 PM
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I know this has probably been discussed before but is there a difference in height between stage 10 and 11 indys?  Thinking about setting up a board with one of each but worried it will mess with my truck ocd.
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Not only in height but response

11 are really up to date with today’s skating needing a quicker turn and deep

10 are a bit sticky, you gotta try for turns and they go deep but slow on response for turns. They were made for the era when people jumped down stairs and needed stability. If you want to make the turn quicker bones mediums were made perfectly for stage 10 in mind

Strangely enough, I'm running Stage 10 baseplates with Stage 11 hangers with Indy low (the blue ones) bushings on one of my setups and I really like it. Actually, I like it more than stock stage 11's. You can get them wobbly loose without losing too much stability. I also weigh close to 200 so take it for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on May 16, 2018, 07:22:03 AM
not sure anything is different between the Stage 10 and Stage 11 baseplates... wasnt the change all in the hangar?  or was there a change in the height of the kingpin?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 16, 2018, 07:34:29 AM
Quote from: art hellman on May 16, 2018, 07:22:03 AM
not sure anything is different between the Stage 10 and Stage 11 baseplates... wasnt the change all in the hangar?  or was there a change in the height of the kingpin?

Baseplates are identical.  The only thing that changed was the hanger and having the cross on the front of the baseplate
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on May 16, 2018, 09:13:12 AM
lol just realized my shits got a crack running through it

(https://i.imgur.com/nUEmxNb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/c0HUITs.jpg)

also seems to have one coming from the same place on the front truck running horizontally. eh fuck it stick with em the wheels fall of.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 16, 2018, 09:37:30 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on May 16, 2018, 09:13:12 AM
lol just realized my shits got a crack running through it

(https://i.imgur.com/nUEmxNb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/c0HUITs.jpg)

also seems to have one coming from the same place on the front truck running horizontally. eh fuck it stick with em the wheels fall of.

Warranty!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on May 16, 2018, 09:41:13 AM
i thought thunders were only warrantied against manufacturer defects? a crack from 2 years of skating and being down to the axle on the same spot it's cracked probably dont count lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 16, 2018, 09:45:48 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on May 16, 2018, 09:41:13 AM
i thought thunders were only warrantied against manufacturer defects? a crack from 2 years of skating and being down to the axle on the same spot it's cracked probably dont count lol

I didn't notice they were the same pair at first.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on May 16, 2018, 11:02:29 AM
anyone have some extra regular ol' Indy cast base plates they are looking to get rid of?  preferably from the past couple of years...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 16, 2018, 12:42:03 PM
Quote from: art hellman on May 16, 2018, 11:02:29 AM
anyone have some extra regular ol' Indy cast base plates they are looking to get rid of?  preferably from the past couple of years...

Removed to keep the peace with Art ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on May 16, 2018, 12:47:15 PM
please dont bring that garbage into the sacred 'gear' threads

EDIT:  damnit Xen, this is exactly why we dont need shit like that in the gear section.  now i feel like i have to explain myself.  by “garbage” i mean, making jokes in every other thread about the Jason Jesse thread detracts from the weight of the issues actually being discussed in there and needlessly makes the section of the boards where it’s still f”fun” to talk about skateboarding degenerate into something other than just talking about the pieces to a skateboard. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 16, 2018, 05:40:27 PM
The madness is my oasis......

Skating the thunder team hollows.  I like em...on a 51 mm wheel minimal wheelbite I think even the one mm makes a difference.  They are still light too.  Love the twitch.....I haven't skated them in a bowl or anything but so far happy with the turn.  Sized up to a 148. 

Haven't dropped in the krux kingpin and new bushings yet.  The stocks are a bit mushy but they don't stick.

Because it is the truck thread.....ever notice how one side of the axel sticks out more than the other?  I assume everything is still centered but.....koo...koo.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 16, 2018, 05:53:37 PM
I’d like to chime in like Steve did and rave about these new Ace’s. My 44’s are starting to groove, gettin my front kingpin nut nice and destroyed from slappies, and the stock bushings are heavenly. Pivot cups in perfect shape after all the abuse I’ve already given them. No loose kingpins, no worries. Pure truck paradise.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 16, 2018, 06:35:46 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 16, 2018, 05:53:37 PM
I’d like to chime in like Steve did and rave about these new Ace’s. My 44’s are starting to groove, gettin my front kingpin nut nice and destroyed from slappies, and the stock bushings are heavenly. Pivot cups in perfect shape after all the abuse I’ve already given them. No loose kingpins, no worries. Pure truck paradise.
interest is indeed piqued, what's the break in period like?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 16, 2018, 07:03:30 PM
Break in period is non-existent besides grinding them down and gettin the groove going.

Also, in response to j soy, yeah I’ve had too many pairs of trucks of all different companies that had one side of the axle with longer threads. These new Aces are perfectly even on both sides, but they seem longer than before. Using one speed ring on the inside and out like normal and having some good space for the wheel to go back and forth, the axle sticks out a with a couple threads. Two rings on the inside will solve it though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 16, 2018, 07:18:43 PM
Ahaha j soy “koo...koo...” that episode of the simpsons when Bart has to be in special ed class and teaches the other kids that phrase

Idk guys, I’m only riding thunders some of the time so I don’t get bullied for really liking mini logos

Remember Johnny who said they were the best and he even rode them over theeves

Yeah guys, they’re fun for flat and stairs

Idk about medium to big vert and tranny but I think they’re fine in a mini ramp too
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 16, 2018, 09:58:52 PM
I had thunders on my ramp board but rode them tight....I remember the carve being a bit more shallow but I think it'll be fine.  Grinding is nice too....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on May 17, 2018, 04:23:13 AM
debating trucks atm, currently running 149 teams with 1/8th risers and still getting wheelbite with 54s although thats probably down to the kingpin on the back not being seated properly lol. def gonna have to replace em soon, dunno if i wanna go for another set of 149s and chuck my bushings in or hop to something different like indy 149s or ace 44s, kinda leaning towards the 44s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 17, 2018, 04:24:29 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 16, 2018, 05:53:37 PM
I’d like to chime in like Steve did and rave about these new Ace’s. My 44’s are starting to groove, gettin my front kingpin nut nice and destroyed from slappies, and the stock bushings are heavenly. Pivot cups in perfect shape after all the abuse I’ve already given them. No loose kingpins, no worries. Pure truck paradise.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/17/64/3d1764480205a49e8e5449a885b43abd.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on May 17, 2018, 05:03:47 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on May 17, 2018, 04:23:13 AM
debating trucks atm, currently running 149 teams with 1/8th risers and still getting wheelbite with 54s although thats probably down to the kingpin on the back not being seated properly lol. def gonna have to replace em soon, dunno if i wanna go for another set of 149s and chuck my bushings in or hop to something different like indy 149s or ace 44s, kinda leaning towards the 44s.

Had same set up, had same problem. Kept a crayon on me for colouring in the wheel wells I was carving into the board.
Tried to go from Thunders to Aces and I found it a big jump to handle the snap turn point, got pitched a couple of times (they are now on my pub board).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 17, 2018, 06:39:15 AM
Whoa...for a minute I thought you said atm truck.....like atm made trucks....like a John Fallahee mini logo.....

Indy is the correct answer but if you have to get it out of ya.....ACE it is......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on May 17, 2018, 06:43:52 AM
i've tried indys out on my friends board and didnt particularly like them although that could also be to do with his board being much smaller than mine. are aces somewhere in the middle of the turn of indys and the responsiveness of thunder or is it something totally different?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 17, 2018, 07:42:33 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on May 17, 2018, 06:43:52 AM
i've tried indys out on my friends board and didnt particularly like them although that could also be to do with his board being much smaller than mine. are aces somewhere in the middle of the turn of indys and the responsiveness of thunder or is it something totally different?

Aces are built around/off older Indy geometry, Stage III era.

They turn faster and deeper than Indy and nowhere near how thunders feel. Theeve is the in between truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on May 17, 2018, 09:27:06 AM
I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NootNoot on May 17, 2018, 09:32:14 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on May 17, 2018, 09:27:06 AM
I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO
Tensor mag low, neon UV colorway, doh doh extra hards only as top bushing, no washers, move up 2 mill to 56mm wheels. You will be ripping your local bowl belee dat. Don’t question just trust.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on May 17, 2018, 10:07:29 AM
my first proper setup had tensor los with 58mm wheels

i didnt get wheelbite either
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: curbsmash on May 17, 2018, 11:19:36 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on May 17, 2018, 10:07:29 AM
my first proper setup had tensor los with 58mm wheels

i didnt get wheelbite either

ah, the days of weighing 45lbs
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on May 17, 2018, 02:54:08 PM
When I was a kid I went from Fury ball point turning to Tensors and had no idea what was so wrong with my board. Good tines
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on May 17, 2018, 03:51:13 PM
Quote from: Firebert on May 17, 2018, 02:54:08 PM
When I was a kid I went from Fury ball point turning to Tensors and had no idea what was so wrong with my board. Good tines

When I was a kid I had a set of the first Fury's with a black hanger and blue baseplate and I loved those things.  I had no taste/preference at the time, but I swore by the ball point turning.  I would always carve tight circle pattern's as a way to demonstrate their gimmick to my friends, hahah.  Good times.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 17, 2018, 04:02:28 PM
Reminds me of my self-employed carpenter buddy who’s 40 and skates an 8” baker with tensor lows, huge 58mm wheels and fat Journey’s style DVS or DC shoes with carpenter pants. He’s actually really good and his style on the board isn’t bad at all lol. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on May 17, 2018, 04:43:31 PM
I miss not caring what set up I had. As long as I had one
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 17, 2018, 09:17:30 PM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on May 17, 2018, 09:27:06 AM
I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO

Try ace classics

They’re very good trucks, I like how they feel

I skate mainly street, mostly flat and they feel very responsive in a way, popping and quick turning and carve but not slow and all that like an indy

Idk about wheel bite cause I ride my trucks medium tight but if you don’t like indy I’d highly suggest ace

Now I remember, ace classics remind me of how my indy 109 felt when I was messing around on my zinger, had me on a journey to find that 109 feel but a bigger truck and I’d say it’s ace


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 18, 2018, 08:39:36 AM
My assessment is thunders you get the first 15 degrees of your turn w. no effort.....that's the responsiveness....the rest of the turn is medium and then they bottom out.  An ACE the first few degrees are actually pretty stable like an Indy, but then they just go....like full on slalom turn.  So to me they are different trucks.  The thunder extends the wheelbase, the ACE shrinks it.  Thunders pop quick because of how they are set....ACE feel like a high truck.  Thunders you can get light.... ACEs always heavy. 

I'd go theeve....possibly minilogo.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on May 18, 2018, 08:52:18 AM
Quote from: jamersonbass on May 17, 2018, 03:51:13 PM
Quote from: Firebert on May 17, 2018, 02:54:08 PM
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When I was a kid I went from Fury ball point turning to Tensors and had no idea what was so wrong with my board. Good tines
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When I was a kid I had a set of the first Fury's with a black hanger and blue baseplate and I loved those things.  I had no taste/preference at the time, but I swore by the ball point turning.  I would always carve tight circle pattern's as a way to demonstrate their gimmick to my friends, hahah.  Good times.
I still have those fuckers laying around somewhere, black/black colorway  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on May 18, 2018, 09:22:55 AM
Quote from: jamersonbass on May 17, 2018, 03:51:13 PM
Quote from: Firebert on May 17, 2018, 02:54:08 PM
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When I was a kid I went from Fury ball point turning to Tensors and had no idea what was so wrong with my board. Good tines
[close]

When I was a kid I had a set of the first Fury's with a black hanger and blue baseplate and I loved those things.  I had no taste/preference at the time, but I swore by the ball point turning.  I would always carve tight circle pattern's as a way to demonstrate their gimmick to my friends, hahah.  Good times.
I did the same fucking thing! "Can you guys U-turn in this drive-way? I can!"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 18, 2018, 12:29:49 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 18, 2018, 08:39:36 AM
My assessment is thunders you get the first 15 degrees of your turn w. no effort.....that's the responsiveness....the rest of the turn is medium and then they bottom out.  An ACE the first few degrees are actually pretty stable like an Indy, but then they just go....like full on slalom turn.  So to me they are different trucks.  The thunder extends the wheelbase, the ACE shrinks it.  Thunders pop quick because of how they are set....ACE feel like a high truck.  Thunders you can get light.... ACEs always heavy. 

I'd go theeve....possibly minilogo.....

This is the best description ever, regarding the difference between Thunder and Ace. I’d rather go with Indy than Thunder, the 15 degrees of quick turning is almost non-existent, at least Indy’s are stable and deep and don’t bottom out. But yeah, Ace is king. Quick and deep the whole way through. Haven’t tried Theeve, all mini logos in existence should be thrown into a volcano.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 18, 2018, 12:38:34 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 18, 2018, 12:29:49 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 18, 2018, 08:39:36 AM
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My assessment is thunders you get the first 15 degrees of your turn w. no effort.....that's the responsiveness....the rest of the turn is medium and then they bottom out.  An ACE the first few degrees are actually pretty stable like an Indy, but then they just go....like full on slalom turn.  So to me they are different trucks.  The thunder extends the wheelbase, the ACE shrinks it.  Thunders pop quick because of how they are set....ACE feel like a high truck.  Thunders you can get light.... ACEs always heavy. 

I'd go theeve....possibly minilogo.....
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This is the best description ever, regarding the difference between Thunder and Ace. I’d rather go with Indy than Thunder, the 15 degrees of quick turning is almost non-existent, at least Indy’s are stable and deep and don’t bottom out. But yeah, Ace is king. Quick and deep the whole way through. Haven’t tried Theeve, all mini logos in existence should be thrown into a volcano.

 mini logo trucks are legit and your just trying to be a cool guy who probably knocks on anything that isn’t hip, like blind and dark star

You probably ride your trucks mega loose and can’t even tre flip

You probably own an independent beer cozy cause your a indy lifer and rep it hard cause ride the best f!&% the rest right?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 18, 2018, 12:49:22 PM
Woah man, was just kidding around. You can ride your mini logos all you want, it’s just skateboarding. I don’t like Indy trucks all that much, but I’m thinking about getting a tattoo of an Ace guy peeing on a mini logo truck. I also suck and can’t do any flips besides a heel and pop shuv and run my trucks pretty loose so I guess you got me there.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 18, 2018, 12:54:39 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 18, 2018, 08:39:36 AM
My assessment is thunders you get the first 15 degrees of your turn w. no effort.....that's the responsiveness....the rest of the turn is medium and then they bottom out.  An ACE the first few degrees are actually pretty stable like an Indy, but then they just go....like full on slalom turn.  So to me they are different trucks.  The thunder extends the wheelbase, the ACE shrinks it.  Thunders pop quick because of how they are set....ACE feel like a high truck.  Thunders you can get light.... ACEs always heavy. 

I'd go theeve....possibly minilogo.....

I agree with statement.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 18, 2018, 01:18:49 PM
Wait.....so you'd go mini logo too? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 18, 2018, 01:31:41 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 18, 2018, 01:18:49 PM
Wait.....so you'd go mini logo too?

I'm riding Theeve, but having skated ML I'd pick them over anything but the big three/theeve. The ML bushings are also excellent.

Theeve cured my madness, they're hollow/light, come in the 8.18 (for 8.25s), come with great bushings (even after they ditched bones and while they're too hard for me, they're still really nice), stable and carve great AND other than putting in soft bones, I can't fuck with them.



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on May 18, 2018, 01:43:34 PM
Theeve army is growing... yesssssss
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 18, 2018, 02:12:26 PM
If the axel doesn't slip on my thunders.....I got two pairs of tih's up for grabs....I'm giving it six months....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jared on May 18, 2018, 03:59:41 PM
Hey so what is the best way to remove kingpins from base plates?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: maggotspawn on May 18, 2018, 04:10:49 PM
Currently riding Indy's and I dig them. Am I missing anything by not trying out some Ace's?
How stable are they at speed?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on May 18, 2018, 04:55:04 PM
You talking hillbombing speed or just regular speed?

I skate my Aces pretty loose and have never had wobbles or sketchiness and I'm a big boy on 44s. I channel Andrew Allen in situations where it could get a little shaky.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: max power on May 18, 2018, 05:15:17 PM
Quote from: Jared on May 18, 2018, 03:59:41 PM
Hey so what is the best way to remove kingpins from base plates?
A hammer and a vice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: maggotspawn on May 18, 2018, 05:55:26 PM
Quote from: Not Local on May 18, 2018, 04:55:04 PM
You talking hillbombing speed or just regular speed?

I skate my Aces pretty loose and have never had wobbles or sketchiness and I'm a big boy on 44s. I channel Andrew Allen in situations where it could get a little shaky.
Hill bombing, dropping into the deep end of a pool speed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on May 18, 2018, 06:04:53 PM
Quote from: maggotspawn on May 18, 2018, 05:55:26 PM
Quote from: Not Local on May 18, 2018, 04:55:04 PM
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You talking hillbombing speed or just regular speed?

I skate my Aces pretty loose and have never had wobbles or sketchiness and I'm a big boy on 44s. I channel Andrew Allen in situations where it could get a little shaky.
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Hill bombing, dropping into the deep end of a pool speed.

Nearly everyone I skate with (much to my dismay) are transition skaters, and the majority skate Ace trucks.

They are made for response at fast speeds IMO, and I use them for street.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SJ on May 18, 2018, 09:15:54 PM
Quote from: maggotspawn on May 18, 2018, 05:55:26 PM
Quote from: Not Local on May 18, 2018, 04:55:04 PM
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You talking hillbombing speed or just regular speed?

I skate my Aces pretty loose and have never had wobbles or sketchiness and I'm a big boy on 44s. I channel Andrew Allen in situations where it could get a little shaky.
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Hill bombing, dropping into the deep end of a pool speed.

Personally, I love Aces on everything except big, speedy bowls. For me they get too squirelly at higher speeds and don't feel that stable. Even if I tighten up the bushings they will still feel squirrely just dropping in. Big bowls I prefer Indys because they feel stable when going fast.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on May 18, 2018, 09:22:11 PM
When I'm skating loose or bombing sketchy hills, I find my aces weren't as stable as my indys or thunders at speed. But then again I'm not a fan of super super loose trucks and the difference is fairly marginal. I wouldn't consider it a reason to not get aces.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on May 19, 2018, 02:45:44 AM
my friend spent 15 minutes telling me how new trucks are great, how i need to buy a new set etc then he got up to skate done a back 50 and his kingpin snapped.

so, theeve; csx vs tiax? had some thunder ti's a few years back and i royally fucked em, standard 149s still going strong so im leaning towards csx but does it really make a difference?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 19, 2018, 08:58:45 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on May 19, 2018, 02:45:44 AM
my friend spent 15 minutes telling me how new trucks are great, how i need to buy a new set etc then he got up to skate done a back 50 and his kingpin snapped.

so, theeve; csx vs tiax? had some thunder ti's a few years back and i royally fucked em, standard 149s still going strong so im leaning towards csx but does it really make a difference?

If you are just checking out trucks and don't care about weight, you get the CSX (Cheaper than a set of Krux)


CSK: Standard metals nothing hollow/solid kingpin - $
TIAX: Titanium axle nothing hollow/solid kingpin - $$
TiKing: Titanium axle, hollow kingpin (man I miss those ti pins, so light) - $$$
Tih: solid titanium hanger, solid kingpin - $$$$$$$$$$$
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on May 19, 2018, 09:07:31 AM
yeah i dont really give a shit about weight tbh so it'll probably just be regular csxs, im guessing ill need the 6.50s? i skate around 8.5-8.75

also xen, did you used to post on skateboardcity?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: maggotspawn on May 19, 2018, 10:14:51 AM
Quote from: SJ on May 18, 2018, 09:15:54 PM
Quote from: maggotspawn on May 18, 2018, 05:55:26 PM
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Quote from: Not Local on May 18, 2018, 04:55:04 PM
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You talking hillbombing speed or just regular speed?

I skate my Aces pretty loose and have never had wobbles or sketchiness and I'm a big boy on 44s. I channel Andrew Allen in situations where it could get a little shaky.
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Hill bombing, dropping into the deep end of a pool speed.
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Personally, I love Aces on everything except big, speedy bowls. For me they get too squirelly at higher speeds and don't feel that stable. Even if I tighten up the bushings they will still feel squirrely just dropping in. Big bowls I prefer Indys because they feel stable when going fast.
I have heard this before, that's why I asked. I guess I'll just stick with Indy's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 19, 2018, 02:23:42 PM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on May 19, 2018, 09:07:31 AM
yeah i dont really give a shit about weight tbh so it'll probably just be regular csxs, im guessing ill need the 6.50s? i skate around 8.5-8.75

also xen, did you used to post on skateboardcity?

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0253/0243/files/THEEVE-DECK-SIZING_small_large.jpeg?778)

Yes, one and the same!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on May 19, 2018, 02:29:24 PM
nice, cheers for the info. still post on there occasionally you may (or most likely may not) remember me from the username donthatejustskate. spotted a few sbc heads on here haha.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on May 20, 2018, 09:49:11 AM
I've reconciled with an old nemesis of mine, Ventures. I've ridden Ventures before they were with DLX and they just didn't work for me, so I took another chance. In fact, I found them to suck badly. At that point, I rode wobbly loose Indy's (in fact, I've ridden loose Indy's for over 15 years)

I just got back from back to back injuries that kept me out of the game for almost 2 years. Had about 6 sessions last year before I put out my back. I gained about 15-20lbs and my balance\coordination just aren't what they were before. When I started skating again this year, Indy's just didn't work for me anymore, they felt really unstable on landings... couldn't land tricks for the life of me, felt they were way too unpredictable. Tried tightening them a tad, and tight Indy's absolutely suck. Tried Krux for my bigger setup, and I like them, but I'm always tweaking them and I hate having to carry a skate tool with me all the time. I've never liked Thunder, so I decided to give Ventures another try because a lot of my friends were getting Ventures.

Turns out loose Venture high 5.2's are absolutely perfect for what I was looking for. Surfy, yet stable. I've said before that Venture's didn't turn, but this time it's different, loose Venture hi's turn real good for my liking. First truck I've never really had to break in, they felt perfect from the start. Started landing tricks right away and they felt awesome on manuals. Can't complain.

So yeah, I guess I really like Ventures Hi's now.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on May 20, 2018, 11:10:56 AM
^did you try harder indy bushings ? did you even read all the madness of this thread ? gtfo ! :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on May 20, 2018, 11:38:57 AM
Quote from: the snake on May 20, 2018, 11:10:56 AM
^did you try harder indy bushings ? did you even read all the madness of this thread ? gtfo ! :)

I've read every single page since it started, and yes, I've tried many different bushings.

I've been riding pretty much nothing but Indy's for over 15 years, it just feels nice to change gear and try something new.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 21, 2018, 07:57:10 AM
Did I read the guy from cliche is doing a truck company?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 21, 2018, 08:29:12 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 21, 2018, 07:57:10 AM
Did I read the guy from cliche is doing a truck company?

Film? Haven't they been around forever?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on May 21, 2018, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 21, 2018, 07:57:10 AM
Did I read the guy from cliche is doing a truck company?

Don’t get Rob started!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Pigeon on May 21, 2018, 10:14:57 AM
Quote from: Xen on May 21, 2018, 08:29:12 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 21, 2018, 07:57:10 AM
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Did I read the guy from cliche is doing a truck company?
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Film? Haven't they been around forever?
They used to be on Cliche completes. I’m assuming they have a team now, and people are getting paid.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on May 21, 2018, 11:15:28 AM
How much softer do the red Indy bushings end up riding than the aftermarket yellows? Both are cylinders. I found that with my yellows the kingpin nut was a tad too high above the kingpin and got hung up sometimes so I'm hoping to get a similar feel with it just a bit tighter.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on May 21, 2018, 11:57:49 AM
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/oNkAAOSwVuNa~fa0/s-l1600.jpg)

Tony hawk just put a board up for sale on ebay. Noticed those hellishly tight trucks. Just thought Id share.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tony-Hawks-actual-signed-skateboard-from-50-Tricks-at-age-50-video-Birdhouse/153026431244?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D61114cd564414b298a23af1c7823f881%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D153026431244%26itm%3D153026431244&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Afc8e1eb5-5d27-11e8-adeb-74dbd180fbe2%7Cparentrq%3A840ae1801630aad75d19fbf9fff897e1%7Ciid%3A1 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tony-Hawks-actual-signed-skateboard-from-50-Tricks-at-age-50-video-Birdhouse/153026431244?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D61114cd564414b298a23af1c7823f881%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D153026431244%26itm%3D153026431244&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Afc8e1eb5-5d27-11e8-adeb-74dbd180fbe2%7Cparentrq%3A840ae1801630aad75d19fbf9fff897e1%7Ciid%3A1)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 21, 2018, 12:14:51 PM
And people used to bitch about Bones bushings bulging out on Theeves...

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ZlUAAOSwSw5a~fbr/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on May 21, 2018, 12:16:06 PM
Someone should send him a link to this thread. Dude is running Bones mediums mad tight. Poor guy doesn't know any better. I bet rob and others could give him some suggestions so he could improve his skating by getting the truck madness!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on May 21, 2018, 01:00:15 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 21, 2018, 12:14:51 PM
And people used to bitch about Bones bushings bulging out on Theeves...

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ZlUAAOSwSw5a~fbr/s-l1600.jpg)

Tony used to skate for Theeve around that time that was happening with the v2’s too. He used to that shit lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nopes on May 21, 2018, 04:31:10 PM
Are film trucks available in the us yet? If not can a europal help me buy a pair?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 21, 2018, 05:56:54 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on May 21, 2018, 01:00:15 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 21, 2018, 12:14:51 PM
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And people used to bitch about Bones bushings bulging out on Theeves...

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ZlUAAOSwSw5a~fbr/s-l1600.jpg)
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Tony used to skate for Theeve around that time that was happening with the v2’s too. He used to that shit lol

Yeah, Hawk made the rounds onto Fury too for a bit (Lance's truck co I think?)...pay Hawk to hawk your wares!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: curbsmash on May 21, 2018, 06:02:38 PM
pretty sure he rides 60mm wheels without risers, so the tight trucks are understandable but still insane.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 22, 2018, 12:12:56 AM
I know why he tightened them so much,

It’s crazy but I use to skate with this kid you guys might know Max Klein(hangs with Jesse alba and those guys) and he rode his indys with only the bottom bushing washer no small top washer and I asked why and he just said it feels better

I tried this out and basically

You can make your trucks loose but stable, only bad thing is the nut might chew through the bushing

Unless you have bones of course, tony just needs stability

Until they come out with the new indy low ima ride these mini logos
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 22, 2018, 02:04:56 AM
Quote from: rob on May 22, 2018, 12:12:56 AM
Until they come out with the new indy low ima ride these mini logos
#famouslastwords
I’m going to save this post for when the madness hits you again in 72 hours!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 22, 2018, 12:25:25 PM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on May 22, 2018, 02:04:56 AM
Quote from: rob on May 22, 2018, 12:12:56 AM
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Until they come out with the new indy low ima ride these mini logos
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#famouslastwords
I’m going to save this post for when the madness hits you again in 72 hours!

Ahaha idk, lll tell you all this

The only con I can feel off the mini logo trucks is sometimes they stick on grinds on concrete cause I guess the material isn’t as soft or hard or whatever, maybe cause they’re too low and don’t glide

But overall I like the way they feel

Indy lows though...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NootNoot on May 22, 2018, 12:44:55 PM
Rob I swear to SLAP if you change up your faviourite trucks to some other faviourite trucks in the next month I will dm you photos of my taint every single day until the Indy lows come out. So you better stick with mini logos because maybe taint photos sound like a positive but my taint is not pretty and will make you physically ill. We all care about you rob, you have a problem and I think you should consider locking up your skate tools in a safe somewhere and putting locktite or jbweld on all your hardware.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on May 22, 2018, 02:22:15 PM
So I’ve been skating indys with aftermarket orange for over a year now. Switched from all Titanium to titanium hangar and cast baseplate in January. I’m going to buy some rally green ace 44s for a Colony deck I just ordered. Just wanted to see if anyone wants to reassure/talk me out of this decision before I pull the trigger. Thanks fellow crazy fucks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 22, 2018, 02:37:20 PM
Quote from: tangar on May 22, 2018, 02:22:15 PM
So I’ve been skating indys with aftermarket orange for over a year now. Switched from all Titanium to titanium hangar and cast baseplate in January. I’m going to buy some rally green ace 44s for a Colony deck I just ordered. Just wanted to see if anyone wants to reassure/talk me out of this decision before I pull the trigger. Thanks fellow crazy fucks!

Hey, have I told you my opinion?  ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on May 22, 2018, 02:43:33 PM
Quote from: tangar on May 22, 2018, 02:22:15 PM
So I’ve been skating indys with aftermarket orange for over a year now. Switched from all Titanium to titanium hangar and cast baseplate in January. I’m going to buy some rally green ace 44s for a Colony deck I just ordered. Just wanted to see if anyone wants to reassure/talk me out of this decision before I pull the trigger. Thanks fellow crazy fucks!

yea, don't do it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 22, 2018, 02:45:08 PM
Quote from: tangar on May 22, 2018, 02:22:15 PM
So I’ve been skating indys with aftermarket orange for over a year now. Switched from all Titanium to titanium hangar and cast baseplate in January. I’m going to buy some rally green ace 44s for a Colony deck I just ordered. Just wanted to see if anyone wants to reassure/talk me out of this decision before I pull the trigger. Thanks fellow crazy fucks!

You will not be disappointed with the ACEs except for weight (since you are coming off Titanium/forged plates).

Also, the green ones are fugly :P
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on May 22, 2018, 02:50:50 PM
Save your energy xen, I trust yours and robs judgement about as much as I’d trust Chris Benoit for fatherly advice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on May 22, 2018, 02:57:40 PM
Quote from: tangar on May 22, 2018, 02:50:50 PM
Save your energy xen, I trust yours and robs judgement about as much as I’d trust Chris Benoit for fatherly advice.
Fuck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on May 22, 2018, 03:09:10 PM
BMC: you know you are part of my problem lol
Art: the idea of less wheel bite is very appealing. I skated 55s last year and I almost couldn’t tell the difference between them and Titanium 159s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 22, 2018, 04:09:17 PM
Quote from: tangar on May 22, 2018, 02:50:50 PM
Save your energy xen, I trust yours and robs judgement about as much as I’d trust Chris Benoit for fatherly advice.

That's not fair - I'm not nearly as flipfloppy as rob hell, I haven't even swapped trucks in over three months (that's a fucking stretch).

"Hi, my name is Xen and I've ridden the same truck setup for THREE weeks!"

"Hi, my name is Rob and I cry myself to sleep on a pile of hangers and baseplates!"

=D

J/K Rob

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on May 22, 2018, 05:32:13 PM
Quote from: tangar on May 22, 2018, 03:09:10 PM
Art: the idea of less wheel bite is very appealing. I skated 55s last year and I almost couldn’t tell the difference between them and Titanium 159s.

The new Ace bushings are loose-y goose-y!  The older bushings actually worked better for me on my second to last gen 44's.  I'm back to my Ti 149's.  I wouldn't say Ace's are free of wheel bite entirely and happily trade the squirelly turn and less wheel bite in for a more stable feeling turn, but hey, I'm 34 and my metabolism is slowly dying. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 22, 2018, 05:36:31 PM
Quote from: curbsmash on May 21, 2018, 06:02:38 PM
pretty sure he rides 60mm wheels without risers, so the tight trucks are understandable but still insane.

When we had a vert ramp my board had the tiniest amount of carve....negligible.....and guys would stand on my board and say....loose.  The thing was like 14' high so you generate a lot of speed... And it's skatelite....so you want zero carve....vert isn't tight...it's rock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 22, 2018, 08:33:28 PM
I’d recommend anyone curious about Ace to just go for it. Coming from Indy you will feel right away how much faster and deeper you can turn without having to mess with bushings or pivot cups. I know plenty of people ride stock Indy’s and are fine with it, but just picture that, except a better performing truck. That’s Ace. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on May 22, 2018, 09:25:24 PM
Jamerson: you’re argument almost worked except by your logic all I would need is harder bushings. I got way too much wheelbite with thunders and would gladly pay an extra 3-5 bucks for harder bushings to atleast deal with less wheelbite and still be able to carve.

That being said, I am not selling/throwing away my 3 sets of indys I’m currently riding until I’m completely sold on aces. And even if I only kinda like aces, I still have all my trusty indys to fall back on. I’m not risking much, and I think the green looks dope and will look sick on the colony which is mostly greenish.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on May 23, 2018, 08:44:41 AM
Quote from: tangar on May 22, 2018, 09:25:24 PM
Jamerson: you’re argument almost worked except by your logic all I would need is harder bushings. I got way too much wheelbite with thunders and would gladly pay an extra 3-5 bucks for harder bushings to atleast deal with less wheelbite and still be able to carve.

If you want less wheelbite-try theeve - they got the oval yoke tech.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on May 23, 2018, 09:05:47 AM
Feel the madness creeping back in. Kinda missing my Thunder 147 hi. As dumb as this is, preferred when they came with the yellow-clear bushings as opposed to blue.
Enjoying my Indys but the light weight yet high kickflips from thunder I am missing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 23, 2018, 10:45:01 AM
Quote from: fang on May 23, 2018, 09:05:47 AM
Feel the madness creeping back in. Kinda missing my Thunder 147 hi. As dumb as this is, preferred when they came with the yellow-clear bushings as opposed to blue.
Enjoying my Indys but the light weight yet high kickflips from thunder I am missing

I kept going back to thunder because I could pop higher with them.  I would setup two identical boards, one with Thunders and one with Indy or Ace and the Thunder pop was always effortless while the Indy/Ace pop was a struggle.  I finally learned this (for me) was due to the trucks effect on wheelbase. 

Once I moved up .25" in wheelbase for Indys or Ace it would give me the same pop as Thunders on the shorter WB
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on May 23, 2018, 10:50:36 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on May 23, 2018, 10:45:01 AM
Quote from: fang on May 23, 2018, 09:05:47 AM
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Feel the madness creeping back in. Kinda missing my Thunder 147 hi. As dumb as this is, preferred when they came with the yellow-clear bushings as opposed to blue.
Enjoying my Indys but the light weight yet high kickflips from thunder I am missing
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I kept going back to thunder because I could pop higher with them.  I would setup two identical boards, one with Thunders and one with Indy or Ace and the Thunder pop was always effortless while the Indy/Ace pop was a struggle.  I finally learned this (for me) was due to the trucks effect on wheelbase. 

Once I moved up .25" in wheelbase for Indys or Ace it would give me the same pop as Thunders on the shorter WB

Interesting! I haven't messed around with wheelbase on my decks yet. It's weird because I've felt pretty good with these Indys minus some pop on ollies and kickflips and the occasional stank foot Ollie (rear foot 6 inches above ascending board - the worst). Flips are consistent but not near as high as they were with thunder. I also did like that I never adjusted my thunders and rode them as is and they were fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: halfsleeper on May 23, 2018, 11:27:06 AM
i've pretty much rode indys my whole life, last few years with bones bushings. was on a skate trip this weekend and realized every one of the homies had thunders, so i'm going to give the team lights a try. what should i expect? bushing swap necessary? am i doomed to a future of tinkering?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 23, 2018, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: halfsleeper on May 23, 2018, 11:27:06 AM
bushing swap necessary?am i  doomed to a future of tinkering?

How do you ride? Loose or tight?  I've found leaving the stock bottom bushing and putting in low or softer top bushings gets thunders how loose I like them; I've not found a bottom bushing that is the exact height as the thunders [at the start, but they all mush down to the same height based on how tight you ride, then rebound takes over].

Quote from: BMCsteve on May 23, 2018, 10:45:01 AM
Quote from: fang on May 23, 2018, 09:05:47 AM
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Feel the madness creeping back in. Kinda missing my Thunder 147 hi. As dumb as this is, preferred when they came with the yellow-clear bushings as opposed to blue.
Enjoying my Indys but the light weight yet high kickflips from thunder I am missing
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I kept going back to thunder because I could pop higher with them.  I would setup two identical boards, one with Thunders and one with Indy or Ace and the Thunder pop was always effortless while the Indy/Ace pop was a struggle.  I finally learned this (for me) was due to the trucks effect on wheelbase. 

Once I moved up .25" in wheelbase for Indys or Ace it would give me the same pop as Thunders on the shorter WB

Nice, clear answer. I, too, use thunders on short WB boards for the slight extension and vice versa for boards with 14.5"WB.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: halfsleeper on May 23, 2018, 12:29:34 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 23, 2018, 11:56:19 AM
How do you ride? Loose or tight?  I've found leaving the stock bottom bushing and putting in low or softer top bushings gets thunders how loose I like them; I've not found a bottom bushing that is the exact height as the thunders [at the start, but they all mush down to the same height based on how tight you ride, then rebound takes over].

looser. indy 149 with bones mediums, no bottom washer, top flat washer, front truck about flush and a thread of the kingpin showing on the back truck (although the back still feels looser). currently 52mm f4 classics 101, but usually 53mm f4 conical 99. bones swiss if i can afford it, otherwise a homie gives me bronsons. i am plagued by wheelbite.

want to try out the f4 lock-ins, so i'll probably set those up on the new thunders and leave my current indys as is to A/B. should i plan on grabbing the soft white thunder bushings to fuck with?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on May 23, 2018, 01:31:48 PM
Quote from: halfsleeper on May 23, 2018, 11:27:06 AM
i've pretty much rode indys my whole life, last few years with bones bushings. was on a skate trip this weekend and realized every one of the homies had thunders, so i'm going to give the team lights a try. what should i expect? bushing swap necessary? am i doomed to a future of tinkering?

Been riding the team lights on my main setup for a few months now. I got thrown off by Thunder's description on the website, they list the bushings as 99d. Not the case. They're the exact same as the clear red 90d bushings that come with the Thunder re-build kit. Tried a few different bushing setups (all Thunder), came back to the stock 90d bushings at stock tightness. Any other bushings (tried Indy and Bones, even DLX Venture bushings) severely screw with Thunder's quick twitchy turn.
 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 23, 2018, 03:29:20 PM
I just got the team hollows and I'm afraid to touch them.  The bushings feel like stock bushings ie. Mushy but the twitch but stable feeling is nice.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on May 23, 2018, 05:33:31 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 23, 2018, 03:29:20 PM
I just got the team hollows and I'm afraid to touch them.  The bushings feel like stock bushings ie. Mushy but the twitch but stable feeling is nice.....

For sure. Purely my own opinion, but I think Thunder's don't need to be tweaked from stock unless you want insane Gerwer-level looseness....in which case....maybe think about Ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ungzilla on May 23, 2018, 06:32:36 PM
Quote from: tangar on May 22, 2018, 02:50:50 PM
Save your energy xen, I trust yours and robs judgement about as much as I’d trust Chris Benoit for fatherly advice.

wow, that name... is familiar. my woodward camp counselor in the year 1998 or so. are we on the same page?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on May 23, 2018, 06:51:53 PM
Quote from: ungzilla on May 23, 2018, 06:32:36 PM
Quote from: tangar on May 22, 2018, 02:50:50 PM
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Save your energy xen, I trust yours and robs judgement about as much as I’d trust Chris Benoit for fatherly advice.
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wow, that name... is familiar. my woodward camp counselor in the year 1998 or so. are we on the same page?
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/us/27wrestler.html
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: halfsleeper on May 24, 2018, 12:02:13 PM
pushed around for 20 minutes, couple grinds, manuals, flat ground shit. i love these thunder team lights. skating feels way more stable and controllable, pop is a little different but got used to it fine (i think they're like 1mm shorter than my indys). haven't done anything to them yet and probably won't for a while, the clear red bushings (90d?) seem perfect for me. curious how they'll wear in, though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NootNoot on May 24, 2018, 02:10:53 PM
Just got the new atv tensor maglights. They are the same height as my indys, they seem way beefier than the old mags even though they are magnesium alloy they still aren’t very much lighter than thunder team titanium’s. They have a bottom washer now instead of the bushing resting on the baseplate and the bushings are similar to thunders shape but seem good quality. The baseplate is different I think they beefed up the hanger and took some material away on the baseplate. Pretty hyped they seem really nice. They also have a new warranty similar to indys. The engineer on instagram when I asked him said he designed them to turn similar to indys, progressive as you lean which helps reduce wheelbite compared to the old ones. They are 55mm tall. These are 151s. Also the customer service is pretty on point they fucked up my shipping and immediately emailed me apologized and offered me a 30 percent discount code on my next order so if anyone is interested in trying these dm me and I’ll give you the code. I don’t really plan on ordering anything all that soon.
(https://s7.postimg.cc/u7z9230wr/5_C12_CF32-_CDD2-427_A-_BA0_E-_D794_F9_F9_EA77.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4cfiivz2v/)windows screen capture (https://postimages.org/app)

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(https://s7.postimg.cc/hs2j8f7ln/8_AE3_AD09-_EDC6-42_B5-8845-_BD0_C520_BF839.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6shbwth6f/)

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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on May 24, 2018, 05:29:52 PM
Damn those actually don’t look too bad other than the Walmart-truck looking bushing seat. I wonder if tensor could successful rebrand themselves as a legitimate truck option. Those trucks could be God’s gift to skateboarding and no one would care because of Tensors image as a “kid” brand
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NootNoot on May 24, 2018, 07:59:20 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on May 24, 2018, 05:29:52 PM
Damn those actually don’t look too bad other than the Walmart-truck looking bushing seat. I wonder if tensor could successful rebrand themselves as a legitimate truck option. Those trucks could be God’s gift to skateboarding and no one would care because of Tensors image as a “kid” brand
I doubt it because I mean they have Daewon, Rodney and zered Bassett legitimately skating them, as well as redesigning them into amazing trucks and still nobody cares and only associates tensor as lows with slider plates that don’t turn. But it’s cool if they are good enough for zered they will do just fine for me and it’s ncie to try something new. As much as I joke I would really legitimately be interested to hear Robs take on them and I have this discount code I’m willing to buy you a set rob and ship them to you for a review. Let me know.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on May 24, 2018, 09:21:22 PM
Nice work Noot.

I was going to buy a pair but I was waiting for Rob to buy and then tell us about them.

It was really great timing for these Tensor’s to drop a banner add on SLAP since only Nazi sympathizers ride Indy.

I noticed that they only make the 151 in the mag light for $60 which is silly because you can get same size Indy’s for $40. You would think they would have wider trucks in standard aluminum. Not sure guys skating 8.5 decks need magnesium trucks, but maybe loosing some weight will help flip these larger boards.

Make sure to report back on your level of enjoyment with these trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 24, 2018, 09:27:45 PM
I remember back in the day gullwing made magnesiums....they grinded like crazy but grinded through aka soft....I think I heard on nine club Roger saying the tensors grind real well....let us know how they go....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on May 24, 2018, 09:28:29 PM
Those Tensors got me tempted. They look really good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 25, 2018, 04:25:50 AM
Of all the trucks that I've had the Tensor's seemed like the highest quality.  casting, threads, precision axles, etc were all perfect on them.  Those new All Terrarian's look great too
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on May 25, 2018, 04:30:10 AM
Quote from: NootNoot on May 24, 2018, 02:10:53 PM
Just got the new atv tensor maglights. They are the same height as my indys, they seem way beefier than the old mags even though they are magnesium alloy they still aren’t very much lighter than thunder team titanium’s. They have a bottom washer now instead of the bushing resting on the baseplate and the bushings are similar to thunders shape but seem good quality. The baseplate is different I think they beefed up the hanger and took some material away on the baseplate. Pretty hyped they seem really nice. They also have a new warranty similar to indys. The engineer on instagram when I asked him said he designed them to turn similar to indys, progressive as you lean which helps reduce wheelbite compared to the old ones. They are 55mm tall. These are 151s. Also the customer service is pretty on point they fucked up my shipping and immediately emailed me apologized and offered me a 30 percent discount code on my next order so if anyone is interested in trying these dm me and I’ll give you the code. I don’t really plan on ordering anything all that soon.
(https://s7.postimg.cc/u7z9230wr/5_C12_CF32-_CDD2-427_A-_BA0_E-_D794_F9_F9_EA77.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4cfiivz2v/)windows screen capture (https://postimages.org/app)

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Those actually look awesome
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on May 25, 2018, 06:01:22 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 24, 2018, 09:27:45 PM
I remember back in the day gullwing made magnesiums....they grinded like crazy but grinded through aka soft....I think I heard on nine club Roger saying the tensors grind real well....let us know how they go....

Best grinding trucks that i have ever had were tensor magnesium`s.
But they do grind down much faster.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on May 25, 2018, 06:07:07 AM
One other thing about them tensors. 5.25 magnesium hollow, Daewon pro model.

They were so crazy light that i had to choose the lightest possible deck for them.
If the deck was really significally heavier, the flips wouldn`t spin normally. The skateboard would land easyer upside down. Wich i guess is logical.

I guess that is why Dwindle has them Uber light decks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Italianshredder96 on May 25, 2018, 08:08:04 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 23, 2018, 03:29:20 PM
I just got the team hollows and I'm afraid to touch them.  The bushings feel like stock bushings ie. Mushy but the twitch but stable feeling is nice.....

Thunders with bones medium are an heaven...I agree an the stock ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on May 25, 2018, 08:17:43 AM
Quote from: tangar on May 22, 2018, 09:25:24 PM
Jamerson: you’re argument almost worked except by your logic all I would need is harder bushings. I got way too much wheelbite with thunders and would gladly pay an extra 3-5 bucks for harder bushings to atleast deal with less wheelbite and still be able to carve.

That being said, I am not selling/throwing away my 3 sets of indys I’m currently riding until I’m completely sold on aces. And even if I only kinda like aces, I still have all my trusty indys to fall back on. I’m not risking much, and I think the green looks dope and will look sick on the colony which is mostly greenish.

nah, go all in!  get rid of those indys!  ...and trade em to me for a bunch of wheels
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Smartass on May 25, 2018, 08:57:13 AM
Damn those new tensors are looking good. My buddy has a set of the regular mag lights on one of his setup, and loves it for grinding crusty stuff. The only issue he had was that they wouldn't turn until he swapped the bushings with some Bones mediums.

Might pick up a set seeing as these are looking pretty good, and if they turn as good indy and shit, I'll pick up a pair.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on May 25, 2018, 09:18:28 AM
Quote from: Smartass on May 25, 2018, 08:57:13 AM
Damn those new tensors are looking good. My buddy has a set of the regular mag lights on one of his setup, and loves it for grinding crusty stuff. The only issue he had was that they wouldn't turn until he swapped the bushings with some Bones mediums.

Might pick up a set seeing as these are looking pretty good, and if they turn as good indy and shit, I'll pick up a pair.

so youll pick up a pair and if they turn as good as indy youll pick up a pair ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Smartass on May 25, 2018, 09:21:58 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on May 25, 2018, 09:18:28 AM
Quote from: Smartass on May 25, 2018, 08:57:13 AM
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Damn those new tensors are looking good. My buddy has a set of the regular mag lights on one of his setup, and loves it for grinding crusty stuff. The only issue he had was that they wouldn't turn until he swapped the bushings with some Bones mediums.

Might pick up a set seeing as these are looking pretty good, and if they turn as good indy and shit, I'll pick up a pair.
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so youll pick up a pair and if they turn as good as indy youll pick up a pair ?

Yes this exactly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on May 25, 2018, 09:29:58 AM
1guy2tensors
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ungzilla on May 25, 2018, 10:26:40 AM
idk about you guys but i always buy something to try it out before i buy it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on May 25, 2018, 11:27:51 AM
Quote from: ungzilla on May 25, 2018, 10:26:40 AM
idk about you guys but i always buy something to try it out before i buy it
I like your style  8)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kaydubbb on May 25, 2018, 03:20:24 PM
Could someone who has skated the Destructo D2 mid please tell me how high they are? Thank guys!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on May 25, 2018, 06:35:51 PM
like how high they were skating them?
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/115/766/stonercomics.jpg?1318992465)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Smartass on May 25, 2018, 09:36:30 PM
Quote from: nosneb on May 25, 2018, 06:35:51 PM
like how high they were skating them?
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/115/766/stonercomics.jpg?1318992465)

Lets put it this way... Ben Franklin made an appearance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NootNoot on May 25, 2018, 10:30:56 PM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on May 24, 2018, 09:21:22 PM
Nice work Noot.

I was going to buy a pair but I was waiting for Rob to buy and then tell us about them.

It was really great timing for these Tensor’s to drop a banner add on SLAP since only Nazi sympathizers ride Indy.

I noticed that they only make the 151 in the mag light for $60 which is silly because you can get same size Indy’s for $40. You would think they would have wider trucks in standard aluminum. Not sure guys skating 8.5 decks need magnesium trucks, but maybe loosing some weight will help flip these larger boards.

Make sure to report back on your level of enjoyment with these trucks.
Some notes I think they do make the aluminum in 151 they are just out of stock. If not that’s a strange thing cause you are right bigger boards would more likely want aluminum trucks. Also anyone ordering these the size chart online is for the old ones, the 5.75 is a true 149 8.5 axle and not 8.375, the 6.0 is 151. I asked about the other sizes if they are different and haven’t heard back yet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 25, 2018, 10:33:15 PM
I wonder of they sized up the 5.5 to a tru 8.25 rather than 8.125 (odd ass size, just like the Theeve 8.18")
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on May 26, 2018, 12:03:05 AM
Damn, I really am tempted to venture off and try these other brands after the Jason Jesse thing but for a fact know that I'll end up with a new complete haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on May 26, 2018, 04:21:58 AM
I'm actually down to one deck, but 3 sets of trucks nearby. My wife has started to hate my madness. She knows me as Indys only until a few years ago. "Just ride Indys, you know you'll go back anyway". She can't even Ollie so I don't take the bait serious. About to put the Thunder 147 his back on. The Indys are totally fine... I feel like I haven't given thunder a full real chance though. There's nothing but curbs near my house so I haven't really done what I'd consider real grinds with them yet. I really do like the weight, quick turn response, quick pop response, and the weigh flip tricks feel on thunder though. All with stock bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 26, 2018, 04:30:26 AM
Quote from: NootNoot on May 24, 2018, 07:59:20 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on May 24, 2018, 05:29:52 PM
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Damn those actually don’t look too bad other than the Walmart-truck looking bushing seat. I wonder if tensor could successful rebrand themselves as a legitimate truck option. Those trucks could be God’s gift to skateboarding and no one would care because of Tensors image as a “kid” brand
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I doubt it because I mean they have Daewon, Rodney and zered Bassett legitimately skating them, as well as redesigning them into amazing trucks and still nobody cares and only associates tensor as lows with slider plates that don’t turn. But it’s cool if they are good enough for zered they will do just fine for me and it’s ncie to try something new. As much as I joke I would really legitimately be interested to hear Robs take on them and I have this discount code I’m willing to buy you a set rob and ship them to you for a review. Let me know.

Haha would you really?

I talked to the designer and got a prototype some months ago, They looked about the same as the regs but taller and a bit better turning

The prototypes I had still ran the old baseplate they used for the regs too, it was the reg hangar but hollow and magnesium and 55mm tall rather than 52mm like the usual, in all honesty I tried them and the turn was basic.

Nothing special feeling but thy did turn and respond like an okay truck should but they really lacked something to stick out in turning

They performed okay, they weren’t bad but they weren’t that good where you should totally try or buy a pair. If you guys want pics let me know, I let my buddy who skates better than me skate them since he likes taller trucks and he said the same, they were basic feeling. They did grind good though thanks to the light weight soft magnesium

I’m really hooked on my mini logos at the moment like johnny was, the 8.38 are so stable but turn nice and respond so well. Mininlogos really are nice trucks, everyone has their preferences and all I can say to you guys is, if you like street skating and want something like a thunder but smoother deeper turning not just fast, and great response, mini logo is a good try

I recommend though if you skate 8 and up get the 8.38, the stability really brings out more of the trucks features

They remind me a lot of the old lower thunder 149er but lighter too, almost forgot to mention that. They’re really light for a solid cast truck even at 8.38, doesn’t take much effort to pop and flip around

And I keep them stock. The bones work okay too but they’re more stable with the stock bushings which I’m sure are just a barrel non core bones medium
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NootNoot on May 26, 2018, 05:20:33 AM
If it was reg hangar and reg baseplate it wasn’t the new ones as they are now. The old ones had a baseplate where the bushings sat directly on it like a built in washer, this one is different angles and a bottom washer for better turning. The old ones were hollow and magnesium just like these but these are different the hanger is way different and these are a bit heavier than the regs were so I doubt what you tried is like these. I’m taking some comparison photos between these and the regs now there’s alot noticeably different. My first impressions is they don’t turn like the regs which were kind of harsh precision turn that bottomed out quick with a fast rebound. These feel comfortable and surfy forsure, deeper and they feel less like uncontrollable air when popping, beefier and more solid. Softer bushings too. But time will tell haven’t grinded them yet. Is it ericsentianen the designer you are talking about?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 26, 2018, 10:02:01 AM
Quote from: NootNoot on May 26, 2018, 05:20:33 AM
If it was reg hangar and reg baseplate it wasn’t the new ones as they are now. The old ones had a baseplate where the bushings sat directly on it like a built in washer, this one is different angles and a bottom washer for better turning. The old ones were hollow and magnesium just like these but these are different the hanger is way different and these are a bit heavier than the regs were so I doubt what you tried is like these. I’m taking some comparison photos between these and the regs now there’s alot noticeably different. My first impressions is they don’t turn like the regs which were kind of harsh precision turn that bottomed out quick with a fast rebound. These feel comfortable and surfy forsure, deeper and they feel less like uncontrollable air when popping, beefier and more solid. Softer bushings too. But time will tell haven’t grinded them yet. Is it ericsentianen the designer you are talking about?

Yeah I saw the pic of the prototype baseplate he had up and asked and he said he’s let me try a prototype hangar

Yeah the prototype compared to the final the only thing I got from similarity was probably the height and an experimental geometry that wasn’t the final

The final result though everything except height is different compared to the ones he sent me

I wish dlx would just re-release the classic 149er but as the 149er low and shave some excess weight and I would straye from mini logo for them 100%

I had them but they were kinda heavy but had such solid feel and control
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shitcunt on May 26, 2018, 10:08:31 AM
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=MLTR-SI-SI-1.jpg&nw=435)
These kinda look like fingerboard trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 26, 2018, 10:14:23 AM
Quote from: rob on May 26, 2018, 10:02:01 AM
Quote from: NootNoot on May 26, 2018, 05:20:33 AM
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If it was reg hangar and reg baseplate it wasn’t the new ones as they are now. The old ones had a baseplate where the bushings sat directly on it like a built in washer, this one is different angles and a bottom washer for better turning. The old ones were hollow and magnesium just like these but these are different the hanger is way different and these are a bit heavier than the regs were so I doubt what you tried is like these. I’m taking some comparison photos between these and the regs now there’s alot noticeably different. My first impressions is they don’t turn like the regs which were kind of harsh precision turn that bottomed out quick with a fast rebound. These feel comfortable and surfy forsure, deeper and they feel less like uncontrollable air when popping, beefier and more solid. Softer bushings too. But time will tell haven’t grinded them yet. Is it ericsentianen the designer you are talking about?
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Yeah I saw the pic of the prototype baseplate he had up and asked and he said he’s let me try a prototype hangar

Yeah the prototype compared to the final the only thing I got from similarity was probably the height and an experimental geometry that wasn’t the final

The final result though everything except height is different compared to the ones he sent me

I wish dlx would just re-release the classic 149er but as the 149er low and shave some excess weight and I would straye from mini logo for them 100%

I had them but they were kinda heavy but had such solid feel and control

You'll stray by next week =)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 26, 2018, 10:25:34 AM
Quote from: shitcunt on May 26, 2018, 10:08:31 AM
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=MLTR-SI-SI-1.jpg&nw=435)
These kinda look like fingerboard trucks

Haha they do, maybe inspired by finger boarding too cause you know, sk8 or die

Quote from: Xen on May 26, 2018, 10:14:23 AM
Quote from: rob on May 26, 2018, 10:02:01 AM
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If it was reg hangar and reg baseplate it wasn’t the new ones as they are now. The old ones had a baseplate where the bushings sat directly on it like a built in washer, this one is different angles and a bottom washer for better turning. The old ones were hollow and magnesium just like these but these are different the hanger is way different and these are a bit heavier than the regs were so I doubt what you tried is like these. I’m taking some comparison photos between these and the regs now there’s alot noticeably different. My first impressions is they don’t turn like the regs which were kind of harsh precision turn that bottomed out quick with a fast rebound. These feel comfortable and surfy forsure, deeper and they feel less like uncontrollable air when popping, beefier and more solid. Softer bushings too. But time will tell haven’t grinded them yet. Is it ericsentianen the designer you are talking about?
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Yeah I saw the pic of the prototype baseplate he had up and asked and he said he’s let me try a prototype hangar

Yeah the prototype compared to the final the only thing I got from similarity was probably the height and an experimental geometry that wasn’t the final

The final result though everything except height is different compared to the ones he sent me

I wish dlx would just re-release the classic 149er but as the 149er low and shave some excess weight and I would straye from mini logo for them 100%

I had them but they were kinda heavy but had such solid feel and control
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You'll stray by next week =)

Haha maybe...I keep switching around and all the top brands feel nice but performance output i end up most consistent with the ML

I love the way my ace classics feel and look but they oddly do at times of speed get wobbly(i broke in the stock bushings too and they’re great)

Thunders are good but I’m scared to say ML are KINDA better in response and control and turning, maybe not as fast but deeper

Indy I just Love love aesthetically and that smooth turning feel but response is always only if I’m feeling it, on an off day they’re ehhhh. Start to feel heavy and don’t always pop how I want but man that smooth fun turn

Idk, maybe cause of the cool factor I’ll end up back on the thunder 148 but I’ll let you guys know like I always do hahaha

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on May 26, 2018, 11:18:13 AM
Quote from: fang on May 26, 2018, 04:21:58 AM
I'm actually down to one deck, but 3 sets of trucks nearby. My wife has started to hate my madness. She knows me as Indys only until a few years ago. "Just ride Indys, you know you'll go back anyway". She can't even Ollie so I don't take the bait serious. About to put the Thunder 147 his back on. The Indys are totally fine... I feel like I haven't given thunder a full real chance though. There's nothing but curbs near my house so I haven't really done what I'd consider real grinds with them yet. I really do like the weight, quick turn response, quick pop response, and the weigh flip tricks feel on thunder though. All with stock bushings

How many purses does she have? Also, women don’t understand truck madness. Hell, I don’t get it but I find it entertaining.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on May 26, 2018, 11:32:06 AM
Quote from: NootNoot on May 25, 2018, 10:30:56 PM
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Nice work Noot.

I was going to buy a pair but I was waiting for Rob to buy and then tell us about them.

It was really great timing for these Tensor’s to drop a banner add on SLAP since only Nazi sympathizers ride Indy.

I noticed that they only make the 151 in the mag light for $60 which is silly because you can get same size Indy’s for $40. You would think they would have wider trucks in standard aluminum. Not sure guys skating 8.5 decks need magnesium trucks, but maybe loosing some weight will help flip these larger boards.

Make sure to report back on your level of enjoyment with these trucks.
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Some notes I think they do make the aluminum in 151 they are just out of stock. If not that’s a strange thing cause you are right bigger boards would more likely want aluminum trucks. Also anyone ordering these the size chart online is for the old ones, the 5.75 is a true 149 8.5 axle and not 8.375, the 6.0 is 151. I asked about the other sizes if they are different and haven’t heard back yet.

5.75 in raw aluminum is in stock for $40 plus $7 shipping US. Looking at the team it seems like only GANG will be skating them, but maybe they can pick up some under appreciated riders from other teams to showcase the All terrain trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 26, 2018, 11:46:33 AM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on May 26, 2018, 11:32:06 AM
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Nice work Noot.

I was going to buy a pair but I was waiting for Rob to buy and then tell us about them.

It was really great timing for these Tensor’s to drop a banner add on SLAP since only Nazi sympathizers ride Indy.

I noticed that they only make the 151 in the mag light for $60 which is silly because you can get same size Indy’s for $40. You would think they would have wider trucks in standard aluminum. Not sure guys skating 8.5 decks need magnesium trucks, but maybe loosing some weight will help flip these larger boards.

Make sure to report back on your level of enjoyment with these trucks.
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Some notes I think they do make the aluminum in 151 they are just out of stock. If not that’s a strange thing cause you are right bigger boards would more likely want aluminum trucks. Also anyone ordering these the size chart online is for the old ones, the 5.75 is a true 149 8.5 axle and not 8.375, the 6.0 is 151. I asked about the other sizes if they are different and haven’t heard back yet.
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5.75 in raw aluminum is in stock for $40 plus $7 shipping US. Looking at the team it seems like only GANG will be skating them, but maybe they can pick up some under appreciated riders from other teams to showcase the All terrain trucks.

I don't think anyone could ever topple the big 3 due to their legacy, especially not Tensor; Tensor's image and those of Theeve and ACE are already established. Mini Logos could be the best fucking truck in the world and no one would ever ride them due to branding/established brand awareness.

Same reason you won't buy Straye over Vans, even if they're cheaper and do the job.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NootNoot on May 26, 2018, 12:45:43 PM
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If it was reg hangar and reg baseplate it wasn’t the new ones as they are now. The old ones had a baseplate where the bushings sat directly on it like a built in washer, this one is different angles and a bottom washer for better turning. The old ones were hollow and magnesium just like these but these are different the hanger is way different and these are a bit heavier than the regs were so I doubt what you tried is like these. I’m taking some comparison photos between these and the regs now there’s alot noticeably different. My first impressions is they don’t turn like the regs which were kind of harsh precision turn that bottomed out quick with a fast rebound. These feel comfortable and surfy forsure, deeper and they feel less like uncontrollable air when popping, beefier and more solid. Softer bushings too. But time will tell haven’t grinded them yet. Is it ericsentianen the designer you are talking about?
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Yeah I saw the pic of the prototype baseplate he had up and asked and he said he’s let me try a prototype hangar

Yeah the prototype compared to the final the only thing I got from similarity was probably the height and an experimental geometry that wasn’t the final

The final result though everything except height is different compared to the ones he sent me

I wish dlx would just re-release the classic 149er but as the 149er low and shave some excess weight and I would straye from mini logo for them 100%

I had them but they were kinda heavy but had such solid feel and control
You interested in trying them? I would need to know your address for shipping but I’m serious I’d get some for you to try. I’m gonna try mini logo next forsure. Even if they are ugly a/f
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NootNoot on May 26, 2018, 12:46:51 PM
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Nice work Noot.

I was going to buy a pair but I was waiting for Rob to buy and then tell us about them.

It was really great timing for these Tensor’s to drop a banner add on SLAP since only Nazi sympathizers ride Indy.

I noticed that they only make the 151 in the mag light for $60 which is silly because you can get same size Indy’s for $40. You would think they would have wider trucks in standard aluminum. Not sure guys skating 8.5 decks need magnesium trucks, but maybe loosing some weight will help flip these larger boards.

Make sure to report back on your level of enjoyment with these trucks.
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Some notes I think they do make the aluminum in 151 they are just out of stock. If not that’s a strange thing cause you are right bigger boards would more likely want aluminum trucks. Also anyone ordering these the size chart online is for the old ones, the 5.75 is a true 149 8.5 axle and not 8.375, the 6.0 is 151. I asked about the other sizes if they are different and haven’t heard back yet.
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5.75 in raw aluminum is in stock for $40 plus $7 shipping US. Looking at the team it seems like only GANG will be skating them, but maybe they can pick up some under appreciated riders from other teams to showcase the All terrain trucks.
Zered Bassett skates them I don’t think GANG skates them he looks to always be on thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NootNoot on May 26, 2018, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 25, 2018, 10:33:15 PM
I wonder of they sized up the 5.5 to a tru 8.25 rather than 8.125 (odd ass size, just like the Theeve 8.18")
He just responded that is indeed the case. 5.5 is now an 8.25 truck. I don’t think tensor will ever break into the big three but I have a soft spot for tensors because they were my first real trucks and growing up I used to think light and low and magnesium technology was cool for some dumb reason. Was waiting for a reason to skate them again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 26, 2018, 02:18:31 PM
Nothing should topple the big three because there is a range of variety...they have spent years of marketing and building their brands....and it's just trucks.  Your average skater doesn't give a shit.

Fangs wife is the only one with any sense around here....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 26, 2018, 03:22:24 PM
Quote from: NootNoot on May 26, 2018, 12:45:43 PM
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If it was reg hangar and reg baseplate it wasn’t the new ones as they are now. The old ones had a baseplate where the bushings sat directly on it like a built in washer, this one is different angles and a bottom washer for better turning. The old ones were hollow and magnesium just like these but these are different the hanger is way different and these are a bit heavier than the regs were so I doubt what you tried is like these. I’m taking some comparison photos between these and the regs now there’s alot noticeably different. My first impressions is they don’t turn like the regs which were kind of harsh precision turn that bottomed out quick with a fast rebound. These feel comfortable and surfy forsure, deeper and they feel less like uncontrollable air when popping, beefier and more solid. Softer bushings too. But time will tell haven’t grinded them yet. Is it ericsentianen the designer you are talking about?
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Yeah I saw the pic of the prototype baseplate he had up and asked and he said he’s let me try a prototype hangar

Yeah the prototype compared to the final the only thing I got from similarity was probably the height and an experimental geometry that wasn’t the final

The final result though everything except height is different compared to the ones he sent me

I wish dlx would just re-release the classic 149er but as the 149er low and shave some excess weight and I would straye from mini logo for them 100%

I had them but they were kinda heavy but had such solid feel and control
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You interested in trying them? I would need to know your address for shipping but I’m serious I’d get some for you to try. I’m gonna try mini logo next forsure. Even if they are ugly a/f

Haha yeah I’m down if your really up for it

Should I dm you?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HugeBodBoyle on May 26, 2018, 03:49:13 PM
I switched back to Thunders about a month ago and I love them...especially with the Bones bushing in there. Good turn, good weight, and they grind nicely.

I have a pair of ACE 44's on a Leo Romero deck right next to me but I haven't really tried them yet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on May 26, 2018, 07:34:18 PM
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Jamerson: you’re argument almost worked except by your logic all I would need is harder bushings. I got way too much wheelbite with thunders and would gladly pay an extra 3-5 bucks for harder bushings to atleast deal with less wheelbite and still be able to carve.

That being said, I am not selling/throwing away my 3 sets of indys I’m currently riding until I’m completely sold on aces. And even if I only kinda like aces, I still have all my trusty indys to fall back on. I’m not risking much, and I think the green looks dope and will look sick on the colony which is mostly greenish.
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nah, go all in!  get rid of those indys!  ...and trade em to me for a bunch of wheels
Lol time will tell. And Nootnoot you should think about who you are sending the trucks to, sure rob has tried a lot of trucks recently. But he also has flip flopped the most. I would say let someone less indecisive try them, or only send them to rob with the stipulation of trying them for a couple weeks then sending them to another pal. So we can atleast get some unbiased feedback. And yes I will gladly take them over rob if you offered them to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cancelled on May 26, 2018, 07:51:07 PM
thunder lights high or thunder hollow lights high for an all around truck?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NootNoot on May 26, 2018, 08:24:05 PM
Yeo fellow noots I’m drunk time to do this I’d be down for like a slap sharesie I’ll do two sets one to rob one to Tngar then you try and pass them on after a few weeks unless you love them. Hopefully we can do two different sizes rob I assume 8.0? And what about you tangar? Should I do. Both mags or mag and aluminum? Dm me your size preference and shipping info GANG!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NootNoot on May 26, 2018, 08:27:19 PM
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If it was reg hangar and reg baseplate it wasn’t the new ones as they are now. The old ones had a baseplate where the bushings sat directly on it like a built in washer, this one is different angles and a bottom washer for better turning. The old ones were hollow and magnesium just like these but these are different the hanger is way different and these are a bit heavier than the regs were so I doubt what you tried is like these. I’m taking some comparison photos between these and the regs now there’s alot noticeably different. My first impressions is they don’t turn like the regs which were kind of harsh precision turn that bottomed out quick with a fast rebound. These feel comfortable and surfy forsure, deeper and they feel less like uncontrollable air when popping, beefier and more solid. Softer bushings too. But time will tell haven’t grinded them yet. Is it ericsentianen the designer you are talking about?
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Yeah I saw the pic of the prototype baseplate he had up and asked and he said he’s let me try a prototype hangar

Yeah the prototype compared to the final the only thing I got from similarity was probably the height and an experimental geometry that wasn’t the final

The final result though everything except height is different compared to the ones he sent me

I wish dlx would just re-release the classic 149er but as the 149er low and shave some excess weight and I would straye from mini logo for them 100%

I had them but they were kinda heavy but had such solid feel and control
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You interested in trying them? I would need to know your address for shipping but I’m serious I’d get some for you to try. I’m gonna try mini logo next forsure. Even if they are ugly a/f
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Haha yeah I’m down if your really up for it

Should I dm you?
Yes slide into my dms we will change the world of skating one set of tensors at a time Mullen will be stoked maybe I will send the pink GANG colorway UV changing or is that for Weebz only this is time sensitive e I only make bad monetary choices when drunk
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 27, 2018, 09:43:16 AM
Quote from: cancelled on May 26, 2018, 07:51:07 PM
thunder lights high or thunder hollow lights high for an all around truck?

All around? Team Hollows.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cancelled on May 27, 2018, 11:19:31 AM
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thunder lights high or thunder hollow lights high for an all around truck?
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All around? Team Hollows.

hell yeah. thanks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 27, 2018, 01:54:36 PM
I got the 148's team hollows.....super nice truck...haven't had much of a wheel bite problem, love how they turn...8.25 is a little more stable.  I'd recommend them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jared on May 27, 2018, 03:43:04 PM
I've been trying to get old kingpins out of a pair of Indy baseplates for the last few days. Hammer, c-clip, I've tried it all. Anything I can do to help loosen them up to remove the kingpin? Should I heat them or warm them up in some way?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 27, 2018, 04:21:22 PM
Quote from: Jared on May 27, 2018, 03:43:04 PM
I've been trying to get old kingpins out of a pair of Indy baseplates for the last few days. Hammer, c-clip, I've tried it all. Anything I can do to help loosen them up to remove the kingpin? Should I heat them or warm them up in some way?

Cast or Forged?  If forged, good luck. If cast, take them to a parking block with a hole on the top (where they slide it onto the rebar) use a cloth, wrap the plate up, place the pin over the hole and whackit with a ten ton hammer, son.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on May 27, 2018, 05:22:07 PM
If you do enough slappys it will knock your king pin loose. All my front trucks are like that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kaydubbb on May 27, 2018, 11:37:02 PM
Quote from: Jared on May 27, 2018, 03:43:04 PM
I've been trying to get old kingpins out of a pair of Indy baseplates for the last few days. Hammer, c-clip, I've tried it all. Anything I can do to help loosen them up to remove the kingpin? Should I heat them or warm them up in some way?


I use a product by bel-ray oils called "6 in 1" shits magic. Also get a heat gun or hair dryer and heat it up really good. You can apply a serious amount of heat without and troubles other than burning yourself. Probably best to hold the baseplate in a vice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on May 28, 2018, 01:14:43 AM
put the baseplates without pivot cups in oven 10 min full heat, magic trick
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Italianshredder96 on May 28, 2018, 01:33:13 AM
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thunder lights high or thunder hollow lights high for an all around truck?
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All around? Team Hollows.
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hell yeah. thanks.

148 team hollow with bones medium = heavenly
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on May 28, 2018, 10:29:25 AM
when you guys switch up trucks, do you also switch up deck wheelbses so the final wb is always the same? for example, if I usually skated Indys on a 14.25 wb, for thunders I would go to a deck with maybe a 14 wb since thunders have a slightly longer wb than Indys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on May 28, 2018, 01:36:15 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on May 28, 2018, 10:29:25 AM
when you guys switch up trucks, do you also switch up deck wheelbses so the final wb is always the same? for example, if I usually skated Indys on a 14.25 wb, for thunders I would go to a deck with maybe a 14 wb since thunders have a slightly longer wb than Indys.
i think you mean indys have a longer wb than thunder. youd probably want 14.5 with thunder and 14.25 with indy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on May 28, 2018, 01:45:34 PM
Quote from: pointandclick on May 28, 2018, 01:36:15 PM
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when you guys switch up trucks, do you also switch up deck wheelbses so the final wb is always the same? for example, if I usually skated Indys on a 14.25 wb, for thunders I would go to a deck with maybe a 14 wb since thunders have a slightly longer wb than Indys.
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i think you mean indys have a longer wb than thunder. youd probably want 14.5 with thunder and 14.25 with indy

Thunders definitely have a longer wb than Indys
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on May 28, 2018, 04:16:50 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on May 28, 2018, 01:45:34 PM
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when you guys switch up trucks, do you also switch up deck wheelbses so the final wb is always the same? for example, if I usually skated Indys on a 14.25 wb, for thunders I would go to a deck with maybe a 14 wb since thunders have a slightly longer wb than Indys.
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i think you mean indys have a longer wb than thunder. youd probably want 14.5 with thunder and 14.25 with indy
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Thunders definitely have a longer wb than Indys

This. Though it's a couple years outdated this guy's chart is still fairly accurate.

Short to long,

Ace/Theeve > Indy > Thunder > Venture

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fq4An-DEfqc/T8URoZ_4GFI/AAAAAAAAAs8/MCWo3sQAtcg/s1600/149+axle+placement.jpg
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on May 29, 2018, 06:34:54 AM
I do think wheelbases are a big deal but axle placement also affects the fulcrum point of your tail/nose which likely plays a bigger part in the feel of your setup. Even if you change decks to equalize your wheelbase, it's still going to feel way different.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on May 30, 2018, 11:19:39 AM
Was wondering how an 8.25 deck with thunder 147s rides? Lot of the boards I see and like are that width but I just bought 147s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on May 30, 2018, 11:55:47 AM
how can i tell if the bones bushings i have are no good? i have an old set of them that i want to put in my 148s but i'm not sure if they are bad
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 30, 2018, 11:56:46 AM
Quote from: fang on May 30, 2018, 11:19:39 AM
Was wondering how an 8.25 deck with thunder 147s rides? Lot of the boards I see and like are that width but I just bought 147s.

It will skate just fine; you could always drop down to 8.18" if you had access.

I can't skate 8s anymore decks or trucks; 8.18 min (and it has to be a full shape to boot).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jared on May 30, 2018, 03:22:35 PM
Quote from: the snake on May 28, 2018, 01:14:43 AM
put the baseplates without pivot cups in oven 10 min full heat, magic trick
Going to try this tonight, thank you
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 30, 2018, 04:50:15 PM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on May 30, 2018, 11:55:47 AM
how can i tell if the bones bushings i have are no good? i have an old set of them that i want to put in my 148s but i'm not sure if they are bad

Put them in your trucks and skate them?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 30, 2018, 05:59:42 PM
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how can i tell if the bones bushings i have are no good? i have an old set of them that i want to put in my 148s but i'm not sure if they are bad
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Put them in your trucks and skate them

I had a set sitting around in my box of spares and when i muffin topped the current pair i switched those in, aside from yellowing they're performing fine even after a year or so i think after buying
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 30, 2018, 06:24:55 PM
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how can i tell if the bones bushings i have are no good? i have an old set of them that i want to put in my 148s but i'm not sure if they are bad
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Put them in your trucks and skate them
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I had a set sitting around in my box of spares and when i muffin topped the current pair i switched those in, aside from yellowing they're performing fine even after a year or so i think after buying

I had a set of white meds that seemed to get harder as they sat - compared to my black meds which are noticeably softer (unless it is a pigment thing).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SneakySecrets on May 30, 2018, 07:04:36 PM
I’m not currently riding them, but I’ve always had a soft spot for Ventures.  If thunder and Indy had a baby, I think they would be Ventures.  They are a nice middle ground of having a little more meat on them than thunders but not as heavy as Indy’s. 

I feel like they are super underrated.  It might also be a little bit of nostalgic sentimentality on my part because I happened to be riding some hand-me-down Ventures when I really fell in love with skating and started really progressing.

Curious to know what everyone else thinks about them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 30, 2018, 07:08:56 PM
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how can i tell if the bones bushings i have are no good? i have an old set of them that i want to put in my 148s but i'm not sure if they are bad
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Put them in your trucks and skate them
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I had a set sitting around in my box of spares and when i muffin topped the current pair i switched those in, aside from yellowing they're performing fine even after a year or so i think after buying
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I had a set of white meds that seemed to get harder as they sat - compared to my black meds which are noticeably softer (unless it is a pigment thing).

Mine could have too, i wasn't paying a great deal of attention and haven't any fresh ones to compare, but sounds pretty reasonable
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on May 30, 2018, 10:18:34 PM
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how can i tell if the bones bushings i have are no good? i have an old set of them that i want to put in my 148s but i'm not sure if they are bad
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Put them in your trucks and skate them
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I had a set sitting around in my box of spares and when i muffin topped the current pair i switched those in, aside from yellowing they're performing fine even after a year or so i think after buying
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I had a set of white meds that seemed to get harder as they sat - compared to my black meds which are noticeably softer (unless it is a pigment thing).
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Mine could have too, i wasn't paying a great deal of attention and haven't any fresh ones to compare, but sounds pretty reasonable

I thought i noticed the yellow part detaching from the bushing so that's why i thought they might be fucked
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 30, 2018, 10:26:19 PM
if the core bit is coming out then yeah that's a bit more of a problem, id still say skate them, bones dont last forever anyway
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on May 31, 2018, 07:06:04 AM
Quote from: SneakySecrets on May 30, 2018, 07:04:36 PM
I’m not currently riding them, but I’ve always had a soft spot for Ventures.  If thunder and Indy had a baby, I think they would be Ventures.  They are a nice middle ground of having a little more meat on them than thunders but not as heavy as Indy’s. 

I feel like they are super underrated.  It might also be a little bit of nostalgic sentimentality on my part because I happened to be riding some hand-me-down Ventures when I really fell in love with skating and started really progressing.

Curious to know what everyone else thinks about them.

I agree that Ventures seem to be underrated around here, I'm surprised to see so few people going for them. I bounce back and forth between Thunder and Venture, but lately I've been appreciating the stability and grind clearance of Ventures. I feel like I can grind and slide through the shittiest of ledges and roll over rough ground with them and not be as jostled or get pitched as often as I would with Thunder. Indy for me has always felt too heavy and just not for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on May 31, 2018, 07:11:11 AM
ive never skated em, but I get psyched when I see people skate Ventures... makes me think of 00's AVE and/or other ledge skaters of that era.  glad to see they are getting a resurgence
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 31, 2018, 07:35:03 AM
Venture is the all time street truck....if Gonz was to put a board in the smithsonian it'd have Ventures.  The other thing about Vemtures which is sick is the tshirts and the hats.....you kinda can't wear them unless you skate them. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SneakySecrets on May 31, 2018, 07:52:56 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 31, 2018, 07:35:03 AM
Venture is the all time street truck....if Gonz was to put a board in the smithsonian it'd have Ventures.  The other thing about Vemtures which is sick is the tshirts and the hats.....you kinda can't wear them unless you skate them.

Yeah I’d definitely get a venture t shirt if it’s on sale.  I predict that ventures will become pretty trendy in about 5 years.  I don’t have any evidence of this, just a gut feeling. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 31, 2018, 07:53:55 AM
I recently made the switch back to Ventures from Indy and I love them. Skating 5.8 v-light highs and they turn and grind wonderfully, though  it took a little longer to break them in on both fronts than Indy. I really like the way the push the wheelbase out a little bit longer, too.

Quote from: art hellman on May 31, 2018, 07:11:11 AM
ive never skated em, but I get psyched when I see people skate Ventures... makes me think of 00's AVE and/or other ledge skaters of that era.  glad to see they are getting a resurgence

Hell yeah, revisting pics of AVE, Dill, and Pops skating them back in that era is what made me want to get a set again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on May 31, 2018, 07:59:09 AM
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ive never skated em, but I get psyched when I see people skate Ventures... makes me think of 00's AVE and/or other ledge skaters of that era.  glad to see they are getting a resurgence
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Hell yeah, revisting pics of AVE, Dill, and Pops skating them back in that era is what made me want to get a set again.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/HWM6LIwxmu7vi/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SneakySecrets on May 31, 2018, 08:10:57 AM
(https://kingskatemag.com/uploads/Image/King_Skate/Musing_on_Pops/popsbs50chrome.jpg)

So sick
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on May 31, 2018, 08:37:20 AM
Watched photosynthesis last night. Wanted a 7.5 deck, venture 5.0 lows, swishy pants and puffy shoes by dinner time

P.s. I always liked the way Gall steps into the grass on his switch crook ender with the pant leg up. Style even when the board stops
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 31, 2018, 08:43:48 AM
Quote from: fang on May 31, 2018, 08:37:20 AM
Watched photosynthesis last night. Wanted a 7.5 deck, venture 5.0 lows, swishy pants and puffy shoes by dinner time

P.s. I always liked the way Gall steps into the grass on his switch crook ender with the pant leg up. Style even when the board stops

Too real. I have to constantly remind myself I have no business riding that kind of setup but DAMN I want to so bad.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on May 31, 2018, 08:49:16 AM
I actually did about a year ago and as much fun as the flips were, I'm pretty sure it hurt my feet to land on a little board. I think 2 things: I am 42 now so there's that. And back when boards were that small, shoes were huge and padded so maybe that helped. But in saying that, the board looked great. And I did enjoy it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 31, 2018, 09:07:00 AM
I'm sure it looked amazing. I love how small setups look...until my size 12 feet are on there.

Sorry for derailing the thread with nostalgia, but yeah, Ventures look and feel great and people shouldn't be afraid to give them a shot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on May 31, 2018, 09:13:13 AM
Best part was that it was a Terror of Planet X Anthony Pappalardo w/ Don Pendleton art too. I had so many Alien, then Habitat boards back then. I had 5 different "ride everything " boards for sure. The 7.5 AVE was one of the best boards I ever owned
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on May 31, 2018, 10:06:04 AM
So I set up my ace 44s yesterday (pic in setup thread) gonna try em out today. And I’ll be getting blessed with some tensors in the mail from Nootnoot today. So let’s all shower Noot with gnars and say a prayer for my madness.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on May 31, 2018, 10:32:27 AM
My first setup had Ventures on them and I learned so much using that truck. I always broke kingpins on it so I finally had enough of it and skated Indy stage 9s-11s. For the next 14 years? I’ve been only skating Indy, here was no other truck fuck the rest blah blah.   I’m at the point where I find the Indy’s weren’t my style of skating anymore and I needed more quickness. I tried out Thunder for a bit And my board control was improved. Finally went back to Venture now it’s under DLX and the quality was much better. I’m on my second pair of Venture 5.8 hi standard. Brings me back to how much I enjoyed skating this truck. I’ll be skating Ventures for a while.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 31, 2018, 10:35:20 AM
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how can i tell if the bones bushings i have are no good? i have an old set of them that i want to put in my 148s but i'm not sure if they are bad
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Put them in your trucks and skate them
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I had a set sitting around in my box of spares and when i muffin topped the current pair i switched those in, aside from yellowing they're performing fine even after a year or so i think after buying
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I had a set of white meds that seemed to get harder as they sat - compared to my black meds which are noticeably softer (unless it is a pigment thing).
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Mine could have too, i wasn't paying a great deal of attention and haven't any fresh ones to compare, but sounds pretty reasonable
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I thought i noticed the yellow part detaching from the bushing so that's why i thought they might be fucked

Precisely why you should get some pure urethane bushings and not Bones. They always...always eventually separate from the plastic core. I’ve yet to ever destroy a pure urethane bushing. They last pretty much forever unless you buy some really soft ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BoxStuffer on May 31, 2018, 05:12:35 PM
I usually ride the bones soft w/o washers until I muffin top one then throw in a soft Indy to replace it.

I agree the bones will muffin top earlier than an all polyurethane bushings but enjoy the feel of the bones prior to them separating. I had some weird Shorty's bushing crack/tear on me before.

I ride Indy forged/hollow 149s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: micky682 on May 31, 2018, 05:59:11 PM
I have indys and aftermarket 90a barrel bushings, but my board keeps wanting to go in a circle every time I step on it like a boomerang. It won't go in a straight line, just keeps hugging to the left like a 45 degree angle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on May 31, 2018, 11:51:46 PM
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how can i tell if the bones bushings i have are no good? i have an old set of them that i want to put in my 148s but i'm not sure if they are bad
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Put them in your trucks and skate them
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I had a set sitting around in my box of spares and when i muffin topped the current pair i switched those in, aside from yellowing they're performing fine even after a year or so i think after buying
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I had a set of white meds that seemed to get harder as they sat - compared to my black meds which are noticeably softer (unless it is a pigment thing).
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Mine could have too, i wasn't paying a great deal of attention and haven't any fresh ones to compare, but sounds pretty reasonable
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I thought i noticed the yellow part detaching from the bushing so that's why i thought they might be fucked
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Precisely why you should get some pure urethane bushings and not Bones. They always...always eventually separate from the plastic core. I’ve yet to ever destroy a pure urethane bushing. They last pretty much forever unless you buy some really soft ones.

are there any bushings very similar to bones? i wish they would make bushings without that plastic core. i'm open to any suggestions
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Thomas on June 01, 2018, 04:25:38 AM
I was skating all-stock Ace 44 but realized they weren't funny enough, just a little too tight even if my kingpin nut was the loosest possible.
I tried Krux top bushing, but it's too small and I don't like to have more than two threads showing on my kingpin.

So I decided to cut a little the Ace top bushing, with a hot razor blade, and sanding it a little to make it well flat.

The size is perfect, but the problem is that now my top washer diameter is too small and my trucks are acting like crazy, like keeping turning at right and all.

What are your advices for skating them between stock and Krux bushing wobble ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on June 01, 2018, 06:16:04 AM
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how can i tell if the bones bushings i have are no good? i have an old set of them that i want to put in my 148s but i'm not sure if they are bad
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Put them in your trucks and skate them
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I had a set sitting around in my box of spares and when i muffin topped the current pair i switched those in, aside from yellowing they're performing fine even after a year or so i think after buying
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I had a set of white meds that seemed to get harder as they sat - compared to my black meds which are noticeably softer (unless it is a pigment thing).
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Mine could have too, i wasn't paying a great deal of attention and haven't any fresh ones to compare, but sounds pretty reasonable
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I thought i noticed the yellow part detaching from the bushing so that's why i thought they might be fucked
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Precisely why you should get some pure urethane bushings and not Bones. They always...always eventually separate from the plastic core. I’ve yet to ever destroy a pure urethane bushing. They last pretty much forever unless you buy some really soft ones.
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are there any bushings very similar to bones? i wish they would make bushings without that plastic core. i'm open to any suggestions

The same urethane is propably on ML barrel bushinngs.
Other that i like are Indy aftermarket red ones. Conical.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on June 01, 2018, 06:18:45 AM
Anybody else here that would like to see Venture do an 5,5/8.25 truck.
Max mid hight :P

Haven`t tried my 148s yet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on June 01, 2018, 06:20:09 AM
Quote from: ultrabra on June 01, 2018, 06:18:45 AM
Anybody else here that would like to see Venture do an 5,5/8.25 truck.
Max mid hight :P

Haven`t tried my 148s yet.

Yeah, they should
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 01, 2018, 07:08:04 AM
Quote from: ultrabra on June 01, 2018, 06:18:45 AM
Anybody else here that would like to see Venture do an 5,5/8.25 truck.
Max mid hight :P

Haven`t tried my 148s yet.

If V jumped on the 8.25 hollow train they'd sell for sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on June 01, 2018, 07:45:14 AM
so theeve and destructo come out of the same MFG
https://skatetruck.en.alibaba.com/?spm=a2700.icbuShop.cordpanyb.2.3bde3f06oNItgI
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on June 01, 2018, 09:33:05 AM
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how can i tell if the bones bushings i have are no good? i have an old set of them that i want to put in my 148s but i'm not sure if they are bad
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Put them in your trucks and skate them
[close]

I had a set sitting around in my box of spares and when i muffin topped the current pair i switched those in, aside from yellowing they're performing fine even after a year or so i think after buying
[close]

I had a set of white meds that seemed to get harder as they sat - compared to my black meds which are noticeably softer (unless it is a pigment thing).
[close]

Mine could have too, i wasn't paying a great deal of attention and haven't any fresh ones to compare, but sounds pretty reasonable
[close]

I thought i noticed the yellow part detaching from the bushing so that's why i thought they might be fucked
[close]

Precisely why you should get some pure urethane bushings and not Bones. They always...always eventually separate from the plastic core. I’ve yet to ever destroy a pure urethane bushing. They last pretty much forever unless you buy some really soft ones.
[close]

are there any bushings very similar to bones? i wish they would make bushings without that plastic core. i'm open to any suggestions

Any bushing that’s conical shaped.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on June 01, 2018, 09:38:17 AM
Quote from: Thomas on June 01, 2018, 04:25:38 AM
I was skating all-stock Ace 44 but realized they weren't funny enough, just a little too tight even if my kingpin nut was the loosest possible.
I tried Krux top bushing, but it's too small and I don't like to have more than two threads showing on my kingpin.

So I decided to cut a little the Ace top bushing, with a hot razor blade, and sanding it a little to make it well flat.

The size is perfect, but the problem is that now my top washer diameter is too small and my trucks are acting like crazy, like keeping turning at right and all.

What are your advices for skating them between stock and Krux bushing wobble ?

Why do you care so much about your kingpin having threads showing? Even if you don’t have threads showing, once the nut gets ground enough it’ll still reach the kingpin and strip it. It happens. Just use the Krux man. If you really care that much about the threads, a Bones top bushing with the flat washer will allow a better turn without threads sticking out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 01, 2018, 08:04:54 PM
Quote from: TwisT on June 01, 2018, 07:45:14 AM
so theeve and destructo come out of the same MFG
https://skatetruck.en.alibaba.com/?spm=a2700.icbuShop.cordpanyb.2.3bde3f06oNItgI

ROB! SPARKLES!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on June 02, 2018, 08:54:50 AM
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so theeve and destructo come out of the same MFG
https://skatetruck.en.alibaba.com/?spm=a2700.icbuShop.cordpanyb.2.3bde3f06oNItgI
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ROB! SPARKLES!

(http://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1TwY2KpXXXXc0XpXXq6xXFXXXc/5-0-MID-Sparkle-Skateboard-Trucks-SP.jpg_350x350.jpg)
jason jesse new sponsor sparkle trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beer and Peanuts on June 03, 2018, 01:31:58 AM
What’s up truck enthusiasts, I’m after some advice. Should I try switching from indies to Thunder or Venture?

I’m getting older and finding I have less pop now days, so I want something lighter. Been riding indies for about the last ten years, though I did mess around with others before that.

I briefly tried a set of Thunders a few years ago but for some reason they wouldn’t turn at all, even when I tried loosening them right up and switching to my old bushings. I’m hoping they were just duds.

Do venture lows turn as bad as I’ve heard? Should I just stick with the highs? Or should I try thunder again? And is it worth paying more for hollow axles and kingpins or titanium this or that? Are lighter trucks going to help me pop higher anyway or am I just on the downward slope?

My nearest skate shop is five hours away, so I don’t have the option of going and comparing options in person.

I ride an 8.125 and 52mm wheels for reference. I like my trucks a little loose but not overly so.

Suggestions please?

(Sorry for the long-winded post)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 03, 2018, 01:52:26 AM
Quote from: Beer and Peanuts on June 03, 2018, 01:31:58 AM
What’s up truck enthusiasts, I’m after some advice. Should I try switching from indies to Thunder or Venture?

I’m getting older and finding I have less pop now days, so I want something lighter. Been riding indies for about the last ten years, though I did mess around with others before that.

I briefly tried a set of Thunders a few years ago but for some reason they wouldn’t turn at all, even when I tried loosening them right up and switching to my old bushings. I’m hoping they were just duds.

Do venture lows turn as bad as I’ve heard? Should I just stick with the highs? Or should I try thunder again? And is it worth paying more for hollow axles and kingpins or titanium this or that? Are lighter trucks going to help me pop higher anyway or am I just on the downward slope?

My nearest skate shop is five hours away, so I don’t have the option of going and comparing options in person.

I ride an 8.125 and 52mm wheels for reference. I like my trucks a little loose but not overly so.

Suggestions please?

(Sorry for the long-winded post)

Thunder 148 standard or team hollow

Those sparkles look like trash

I’ve been loving my mini logo, kinda wanna plug the thunders on again but...

I know they won’t match the broken in feel like the mini logo

The only bad thing I can say yet about the mini logos was sadly the back kingpin got loose and I tried to just press it back in with a heavy duty bench press from work but it was still loose so as it should have been expected the China quality saddened me but did the ole krux in aces trick and just applied some jb weld on the splines and pressed the pin in again, waited for the cure and all good again til who knows but damn fine trucks

They just feel so easy to do stuff
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SodaJerk on June 03, 2018, 02:53:12 AM
If I were to purchase Thunders should I also buy after market bushings/pivot cups? If so what?

I've been riding Indies for years but feel like a change and I loved Thunder years ago.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on June 03, 2018, 03:03:31 AM
Quote from: SodaJerk on June 03, 2018, 02:53:12 AM
If I were to purchase Thunders should I also buy after market bushings/pivot cups? If so what?

I've been riding Indies for years but feel like a change and I loved Thunder years ago.

stock thunders are 90a just like independents stock bushings. but the last few stages of indy have had the cylinder shaped bushing opposed to the conical shape thunders have
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on June 03, 2018, 04:40:36 AM
Quote from: SodaJerk on June 03, 2018, 02:53:12 AM
If I were to purchase Thunders should I also buy after market bushings/pivot cups? If so what?

I've been riding Indies for years but feel like a change and I loved Thunder years ago.

For me, as a 95% Indy rider from 86-2018, when I've got Thunder, I just put them on as I've got them, stock bushings and never tighten them. Skate a few times and they are good. Indys,since stage 9, I've had to tighten/loosen repeat for the first 5 sessions. (Keep in mind that I never switch bushings, everything stock). Indys are great but it is nice to try new stuff sometimes. I think that's why I've been trying new decks (instead of predictably Deluxe). Miss that from when I was a kid, just trying stuff out. Dumb thing for me is that I got my Indys set up how I like and the first thing I do is go buy thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on June 03, 2018, 07:12:20 AM
Yeah id say no need to change much with thunders. Stock bushings/pivot cups are sound. What I like to do is replace the stock top washer with the flat one that comes with bones bushings and then use the top washer at the bottom. The lack of flange/rim on the flat washer makes it easier for me to turn but mind tgat the board feels a bit wobblier.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on June 03, 2018, 01:29:41 PM
Thunder stock bushings.. are they the same as their replacement 90a?

(Totally contradicting that I don't change bushings but I preferred the yellow transparent bushings over the blue)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on June 03, 2018, 02:38:31 PM
Does anybody know if the transparent green/yellow thunder bushings are sold separately?  I just like the color and been using this color forever. Or if anybody has some I'll buy them off of them.

static.monstersports.com.br/produtos/617/truck-thunder-polished-hi-147mm-75326.jpg
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 03, 2018, 05:40:16 PM
Quote from: SodaJerk on June 03, 2018, 02:53:12 AM
If I were to purchase Thunders should I also buy after market bushings/pivot cups? If so what?

I've been riding Indies for years but feel like a change and I loved Thunder years ago.
depends on the color of them maybe? I have the piss yellow ones and they are perfect in every way
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on June 03, 2018, 06:12:29 PM
Quote from: Beer and Peanuts on June 03, 2018, 01:31:58 AM
What’s up truck enthusiasts, I’m after some advice. Should I try switching from indies to Thunder or Venture?

I’m getting older and finding I have less pop now days, so I want something lighter. Been riding indies for about the last ten years, though I did mess around with others before that.
Suggestions please?

(Sorry for the long-winded post)
Hey dude, I would suggest Indy titaniums, if you like how Indys turn, they are way lighter, and a little lower which might help your pop. The lighter weight definitely helps make Ollies float more. I just got aces and they turn very similar but a little bit looser/easier. They are heavier (but not that bad at all) And are about the same height as Indy Titaniums.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beer and Peanuts on June 03, 2018, 11:31:48 PM
Thanks man, I didn’t even consider the Indy titanium’s. Sounds like a good option. I didn’t realise they were lower than regular indies - I’m guessing it’s not by very much?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on June 04, 2018, 12:11:20 AM
Quote from: Beer and Peanuts on June 03, 2018, 11:31:48 PM
Thanks man, I didn’t even consider the Indy titanium’s. Sounds like a good option. I didn’t realise they were lower than regular indies - I’m guessing it’s not by very much?
Regular indies 55mm tall, forged ones 53,5mm.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hey pickle on June 04, 2018, 05:34:39 AM
just got a brand new set of thunder ti 149s, axle is slipped on one of the trucks. such a bummer. i live in england but bought the trucks from socal skate shop, shall i email them or the guy from dlx on here? whats his account?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on June 04, 2018, 07:32:11 AM
Quote from: hey pickle on June 04, 2018, 05:34:39 AM
just got a brand new set of thunder ti 149s, axle is slipped on one of the trucks. such a bummer. i live in england but bought the trucks from socal skate shop, shall i email them or the guy from dlx on here? whats his account?

you can e-mail [email protected]
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SodaJerk on June 04, 2018, 11:08:00 AM
Thanks for the Thunder/bushing advice. I think I'm gonna go for it. Anyone know if Indy bushings work on them as I would really like to have some pre broken in bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: radcunt on June 04, 2018, 04:01:20 PM
I just got some new Indy 169s (with the made in china tag) and I'm thinking of exchanging them for Titaniums, is it worthwhile?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 04, 2018, 04:32:06 PM
Quote from: hey pickle on June 04, 2018, 05:34:39 AM
just got a brand new set of thunder ti 149s, axle is slipped on one of the trucks. such a bummer. i live in england but bought the trucks from socal skate shop, shall i email them or the guy from dlx on here? whats his account?

I had a split set of spitfires years back i bought internationally, emailed reed, and while he was super helpful end result was it was just directed to the local distro for a replacement
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on June 04, 2018, 05:25:37 PM
Recently setup my Indys with two top bushings and it's really nice. I'm able to keep both washers on and keep the bolt flush to the kingpin meaning I'm not constantly worried about the bolt falling off. The weird thing is they feel looser than riding them wobbly with standard bushings, but they don't wobble. I'm still messing around with the setup but I'm really digging it right now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on June 04, 2018, 06:03:38 PM
Alright, so I’ve had a few sessions on my new ace 44s and the tensor all terrains. I skate very low impact shit, small bowls, curbs, flat ground, manny pads. Here’s my opinions so far.

Aces 44s Rally Green:
As far as me and BMC could tell, all the Rally Greens were the re-design with the new bushings so that’s why I got these. I didn’t try to inspect them or anything to try to figure it out either. I left them stock so I could break the bushings in, and at the start of the first session I felt like I would be getting wheelbite on every trick. After about 15 mins they started to bounce back a little already. The turn was nice and smooth, and they felt stable before I popped any tricks so that was cool. My front shoves popped high and I was catching them which showed me the lower height was better for me. Compared to the standard baseplate with titanium hangar experiment I was trying with indys since the beginning of the year. The grind was sticky at first, but I couldn’t tell if it was because of the painted trucks, or the dry curb I was skating. About an hour in they pretty close to perfect, rebound was already there, I could land all of my go to tricks and even landed a couple I don’t normally land that fast. Second time I skated them was at the Fremont park yesterday. Turn felt sharp and good (I may tighten them a tiny bit but I’m not sure yet) they grinded smooth on the metal edge. My manny tricks were landed in a couple tries (albeit I landed them on the tensors first). In the small bowl they felt good, I can barely scrape backside Smith grinds and I’m happy if my back truck touches frontside, and I was able to do those easy enough. Over all I like them a lot.

Tensor All Terrain Magnesium 8.5 width:
First session was at Fremont skatepark yesterday, they felt really weird straight out the gate. I left them stock again to break in the bushings. They felt like they hesitated to turn when you started to lean (when aces feel like they react immediately). They felt like they turned way more shallow and wide as opposed to a deeper turn like aces. At first the bushings felt a little hard, they loosened up pretty quickly tho and started to have some rebound, but the hesitation/delayed turn was still there. The added height made my front shoves pop slower and made me land towards the front of the board (same as indys with standard height). Ollies felt amazing because of the board being so light. When I ollied on a corner hip it felt super floaty. Manny tricks took a minute, just getting used to the pop probably. In the bowl they felt ok, a lot easier to carve than I thought they would. The only weird thing there was, after doing backside scrapes it felt like the wheels came down and touched, and THEN turned back into the tranny instead of it being one motion. The turn is pretty surfy tho and better than I thought. Today skating to the park for flat ground, i leaned hard to carve and got wheelbite and came to a stop. Almost ate shit, front shoves still popped weird for me because of height, and it felt hard to hit the tail on kickflips although I was able to land a couple pretty quick. Any questions just ask.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 05, 2018, 10:18:55 AM
Quote from: tangar on June 04, 2018, 06:03:38 PM


Tensor All Terrain Magnesium 8.5 width:
felt really weird straight out the gate.
They felt like they hesitated to turn when you started to lean (when aces feel like they react immediately).
They felt like they turned way more shallow and wide as opposed to a deeper turn like aces.

The only weird thing there was, after doing backside scrapes it felt like the wheels came down and touched, and THEN turned back into the tranny instead of it being one motion. The turn is pretty surfy tho and better than I thought. Today skating to the park for flat ground, i leaned hard to carve and got wheelbite and came to a stop. Almost ate shit, front shoves still popped weird for me because of height, and it felt hard to hit the tail on kickflips although I was able to land a couple pretty quick. Any questions just ask.

Hesitation in trucks is bad. that last bit, I have no idea what you are talking about ;P
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 05, 2018, 11:51:36 PM
Anyone got any info on the new indy low coming soon?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jonny Utah on June 06, 2018, 12:08:01 PM
Quote from: rob on June 05, 2018, 11:51:36 PM
Anyone got any info on the new indy low coming soon?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: calvinsdream on June 06, 2018, 01:52:16 PM
Ace mag baseplates restocked:

http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=90184
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pugmaster on June 06, 2018, 02:14:27 PM
I asked NHS probably a couple months ago about indy lows and they are being re-engineered.  They said expect 2019.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kaydubbb on June 09, 2018, 04:02:51 AM
I bought some royal 5.5's recently. First thing I noticed was the kingpin clearance of which there was absolutely none. Stock bushing setup and nut flush there's like 2mm of nut sticking up.
Another problem is the top washer hits the hanger before the wheel touches the board. I'm certain you just cannot run these with a top washer without risking snapping a kingpin.

So I put in some bones hard with bottom washer to retain standard geometry and no washer on top so I could  run the nut lower after grinding down the kingpin. I took off 1mm increments on the kingpin with my bench grinder. I contemplated running the bones replacement washer on top aswell but decided against it so I could get the kingpin and nut lower. They have really good kingpin clearance now.

A bit of work on these things and they are awesome. Really liking how they skate and I'm a big fan of lower trucks in the 8.5 range. Not many around! Will report back once I've skated them more. I've only put about an hour on them at this point but so far so good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 09, 2018, 08:38:11 PM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on June 09, 2018, 04:02:51 AM
I bought some royal 5.5's recently. First thing I noticed was the kingpin clearance of which there was absolutely none. Stock bushing setup and nut flush there's like 2mm of nut sticking up.
Another problem is the top washer hits the hanger before the wheel touches the board. I'm certain you just cannot run these with a top washer without risking snapping a kingpin.

So I put in some bones hard with bottom washer to retain standard geometry and no washer on top so I could  run the nut lower after grinding down the kingpin. I took off 1mm increments on the kingpin with my bench grinder. I contemplated running the bones replacement washer on top aswell but decided against it so I could get the kingpin and nut lower. They have really good kingpin clearance now.

A bit of work on these things and they are awesome. Really liking how they skate and I'm a big fan of lower trucks in the 8.5 range. Not many around! Will report back once I've skated them more. I've only put about an hour on them at this point but so far so good.

They didn’t have the 5.5 with that Allen key kingpin?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 09, 2018, 11:01:00 PM
I thought the kingpins looked cheap....the krux ones are such a better design....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kaydubbb on June 09, 2018, 11:48:54 PM
Quote from: rob on June 09, 2018, 08:38:11 PM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on June 09, 2018, 04:02:51 AM
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I bought some royal 5.5's recently. First thing I noticed was the kingpin clearance of which there was absolutely none. Stock bushing setup and nut flush there's like 2mm of nut sticking up.
Another problem is the top washer hits the hanger before the wheel touches the board. I'm certain you just cannot run these with a top washer without risking snapping a kingpin.

So I put in some bones hard with bottom washer to retain standard geometry and no washer on top so I could  run the nut lower after grinding down the kingpin. I took off 1mm increments on the kingpin with my bench grinder. I contemplated running the bones replacement washer on top aswell but decided against it so I could get the kingpin and nut lower. They have really good kingpin clearance now.

A bit of work on these things and they are awesome. Really liking how they skate and I'm a big fan of lower trucks in the 8.5 range. Not many around! Will report back once I've skated them more. I've only put about an hour on them at this point but so far so good.
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They didn’t have the 5.5 with that Allen key kingpin?

I couldn't find any online here in aus, otherwise I would have bought them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cancelled on June 10, 2018, 10:01:47 AM
Just got some thunder team hollows 148 in the mail.. think it will throw me off since I am used to 149s? i usually skate around a 8.25.  im kinda pissed i didnt get the 149s cuz now i cant upsize much.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on June 10, 2018, 12:34:24 PM
Quote from: cancelled on June 10, 2018, 10:01:47 AM
Just got some thunder team hollows 148 in the mail.. think it will throw me off since I am used to 149s? i usually skate around a 8.25.  im kinda pissed i didnt get the 149s cuz now i cant upsize much.

You're better off on an 8.25 and you can size up quite a bit without it getting super weird. You'll get used to it super quick I bet, don't stress.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cancelled on June 10, 2018, 12:44:19 PM
right on. thank you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on June 10, 2018, 09:25:53 PM
Quote from: firiruzu on June 10, 2018, 05:50:08 AM
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Thunder stock bushings.. are they the same as their replacement 90a?

(Totally contradicting that I don't change bushings but I preferred the yellow transparent bushings over the blue)
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The White/90A replacement bushings as well as the Red Translucent/90A re-build kit are the same as stock. I always go with the red translucent. For some reason they just seem to last longer for me. I'm glad they include them with the Team Lights now.
I'm pretty sure the red ones in the team editions are 99d.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on June 10, 2018, 10:14:56 PM
Quote from: Sad Hippo on June 10, 2018, 09:25:53 PM
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Thunder stock bushings.. are they the same as their replacement 90a?

(Totally contradicting that I don't change bushings but I preferred the yellow transparent bushings over the blue)
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The White/90A replacement bushings as well as the Red Translucent/90A re-build kit are the same as stock. I always go with the red translucent. For some reason they just seem to last longer for me. I'm glad they include them with the Team Lights now.
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I'm pretty sure the red ones in the team editions are 99d.

That's what they say on the site/catalog but they're definitely as soft as the normal 90d that have been standard forever. At least the set I have anyhow. They look and feel the same as the Thunder 90d rebuild kit.

Would love to hear from LennyDLXSF about it. Not complaining, 99d stock bushings don't sound very appealing.
 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on June 10, 2018, 10:17:19 PM
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Thunder stock bushings.. are they the same as their replacement 90a?

(Totally contradicting that I don't change bushings but I preferred the yellow transparent bushings over the blue)
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The White/90A replacement bushings as well as the Red Translucent/90A re-build kit are the same as stock. I always go with the red translucent. For some reason they just seem to last longer for me. I'm glad they include them with the Team Lights now.
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I'm pretty sure the red ones in the team editions are 99d.
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That's what they say on the site/catalog but they're definitely as soft as the normal 90d that have been standard forever. At least the set I have anyhow. They look and feel the same as the Thunder 90d rebuild kit.

Would love to hear from LennyDLXSF about it. Not complaining, 99d stock bushings don't sound very appealing.
 
I had a set pretty recently and they started out soft but after a few days were pretty much rocks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on June 10, 2018, 10:21:33 PM
Quote from: Sad Hippo on June 10, 2018, 10:17:19 PM
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Quote from: fang on June 03, 2018, 01:29:41 PM
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Thunder stock bushings.. are they the same as their replacement 90a?

(Totally contradicting that I don't change bushings but I preferred the yellow transparent bushings over the blue)
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The White/90A replacement bushings as well as the Red Translucent/90A re-build kit are the same as stock. I always go with the red translucent. For some reason they just seem to last longer for me. I'm glad they include them with the Team Lights now.
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I'm pretty sure the red ones in the team editions are 99d.
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That's what they say on the site/catalog but they're definitely as soft as the normal 90d that have been standard forever. At least the set I have anyhow. They look and feel the same as the Thunder 90d rebuild kit.

Would love to hear from LennyDLXSF about it. Not complaining, 99d stock bushings don't sound very appealing.
 
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I had a set pretty recently and they started out soft but after a few days were pretty much rocks.

Really? Weird. I think I'm about a month a half in on the team lights and they feel the same as any other set of Thunders, bushing-wise. There was another guy a few pages back who posted about his set having soft 90d's as well, maybe we got some flukes. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mcidraque on June 11, 2018, 02:48:05 AM
wondering if any pal around here has tried the inverted kingpin-krux bushing combo on indys before. Really curious on giving it a try, cheers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 11, 2018, 04:39:22 AM
Quote from: Mcidraque on June 11, 2018, 02:48:05 AM
wondering if any pal around here has tried the inverted kingpin-krux bushing combo on indys before. Really curious on giving it a try, cheers.

I've done the inverted kingpin on Indy's with stock indy bushings which worked fine but the Krux bushings would be too tall

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160216_211659_zps0zq9tekj.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skate_lurker_Rob on June 11, 2018, 05:22:56 AM
Indy 144's & 149's one for street and other for vert/pools both Bones hardcore stiff but barely tighten them down as they break in are like butttttttttter as fuck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skate_lurker_Rob on June 11, 2018, 05:52:49 AM
Quote from: Stanley Spadowski on December 20, 2015, 05:40:49 PM
Thunder 149's
Stock bushings
I use washers, and the spacers for my Swiss.

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The one weird thing that I do is I set both trucks up with equal tightness and then I switch them (front to back) with every new board setup. 
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I also do this, my friends think it's weird that I don't designate a front and back truck.
I also tighten my mounting hardware diagonally. Just a quirk I guess, but I always thought it'd center the baseplate better.
Do you ride bmx? I use to do that when tightening bars down, shorty after I quit riding bmx in like the 6 grade I got back into skating and have had that same philosophy of tightening hardware crossways it's a thing others do.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on June 11, 2018, 08:26:40 AM
Quote from: firiruzu on June 11, 2018, 05:24:33 AM
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Quote from: fang on June 03, 2018, 01:29:41 PM
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Thunder stock bushings.. are they the same as their replacement 90a?

(Totally contradicting that I don't change bushings but I preferred the yellow transparent bushings over the blue)
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The White/90A replacement bushings as well as the Red Translucent/90A re-build kit are the same as stock. I always go with the red translucent. For some reason they just seem to last longer for me. I'm glad they include them with the Team Lights now.
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I'm pretty sure the red ones in the team editions are 99d.
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That's definitely a typo on the site, I'll email someone at DLX and let them know so hopefully it gets fixed. The Team Lights/Hollows/Titaniums at Escapist all have the soft stock 90A red translucent bushings that are the same as the 90A re-build kit and all the other stock translucent bushings they offer. I've got three sets of the 148 Team Lights and one set of the 149 Team Lights on my personal setups and all of them are 90A. They feel and break-in just like the stock white and translucent yellow, orange and blues used on the Teams and 148's. I actually had to change out the bushings with some from the 90A re-build kit on one truck due to too many air bubbles and a gouge in the urethane and they broke-in and feel exactly the same as the bushings they came with. They start off super soft but break-in pretty quickly and firm up a little and develop pretty good responsiveness. I've tried the red 97A Thunder replacement bushings before and those are like rocks, not even close to what these are like. Maybe they were using the 99D ones in the beginning and discovered that was a bad idea for stock so there's a few sets floating around with rock hard bushings. I've just never seen them or experienced anything other than the norm on the ones I own or have seen at the shop.
Put a shirt on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mcidraque on June 11, 2018, 08:42:53 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on June 11, 2018, 04:39:22 AM
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wondering if any pal around here has tried the inverted kingpin-krux bushing combo on indys before. Really curious on giving it a try, cheers.
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I've done the inverted kingpin on Indy's with stock indy bushings which worked fine but the Krux bushings would be too tall

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160216_211659_zps0zq9tekj.jpg)
i steady use indy bushing and that photo got me going. Definitely trying it out. gracias!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 11, 2018, 08:15:42 PM
Switched out to thunder 149 lights

Not as much board feel like the mini logo but definitely more pop

Also is really nice riding loose with control cause thunder bushings rebound excellent

Is it me or do the all terrain tensor hangars look the same shape as a thunder 148 and up? They really do look like thunder hangars but with the tensor divots
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: micky682 on June 12, 2018, 10:13:03 AM
Can I switch out my 149 hangar to 139 and keep the same baseplate? Both aren’t forged.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on June 12, 2018, 10:30:11 AM
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Can I switch out my 149 hangar to 139 and keep the same baseplate? Both aren’t forged.

yes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: micky682 on June 12, 2018, 11:09:55 AM
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Can I switch out my 149 hangar to 139 and keep the same baseplate? Both aren’t forged.
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yes
Thanks g.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on June 12, 2018, 12:05:15 PM
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Can I switch out my 149 hangar to 139 and keep the same baseplate? Both aren’t forged.
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yes
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Thanks g.
Some of my friends are using same baseplates till they burn through them, everytime when they get new set they just mount hangers into old baseplates and bushings. Never tried it myself but it should take away the break-in period🤔
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: micky682 on June 12, 2018, 03:54:26 PM
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Can I switch out my 149 hangar to 139 and keep the same baseplate? Both aren’t forged.
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yes
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Thanks g.
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Some of my friends are using same baseplates till they burn through them, everytime when they get new set they just mount hangers into old baseplates and bushings. Never tried it myself but it should take away the break-in period🤔
Slides feel the same today and I just switched the hangar and not the baseplate. Definitely helps with the break in period.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on June 12, 2018, 05:52:20 PM
Can someone clue me in on what Riptide pivot cups bring to the table? I'm tempted to try some in my Indy's, but don't want to pony up for minimal performance returns.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: maggotspawn on June 12, 2018, 08:11:06 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on June 11, 2018, 04:39:22 AM
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wondering if any pal around here has tried the inverted kingpin-krux bushing combo on indys before. Really curious on giving it a try, cheers.
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I've done the inverted kingpin on Indy's with stock indy bushings which worked fine but the Krux bushings would be too tall

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160216_211659_zps0zq9tekj.jpg)
Does this involve epoxying the nut into the baseplate or anything similar?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on June 13, 2018, 01:17:57 AM
I run this on thunders, if you are likely to want to tinker use JB weld or epoxy resin.
I had an educated guess at tightness (bolt flush) and used a stubby flathead to hold the nut whilst tightening.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 13, 2018, 04:42:30 AM
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wondering if any pal around here has tried the inverted kingpin-krux bushing combo on indys before. Really curious on giving it a try, cheers.
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I've done the inverted kingpin on Indy's with stock indy bushings which worked fine but the Krux bushings would be too tall

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160216_211659_zps0zq9tekj.jpg)
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Does this involve epoxying the nut into the baseplate or anything similar?

If you frequently loosen or tighten your trucks, you will need to epoxy the nut in place or you'll have to take them off every time you want to tighten it and wedge a screwdriver between the nut and baseplate to hold it in place as you tighten.

I just "set it and forget it" with my trucks so I never bothered
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on June 13, 2018, 07:59:56 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on June 13, 2018, 04:42:30 AM
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wondering if any pal around here has tried the inverted kingpin-krux bushing combo on indys before. Really curious on giving it a try, cheers.
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I've done the inverted kingpin on Indy's with stock indy bushings which worked fine but the Krux bushings would be too tall

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160216_211659_zps0zq9tekj.jpg)
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Does this involve epoxying the nut into the baseplate or anything similar?
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If you frequently loosen or tighten your trucks, you will need to epoxy the nut in place or you'll have to take them off every time you want to tighten it and wedge a screwdriver between the nut and baseplate to hold it in place as you tighten.

I just "set it and forget it" with my trucks so I never bothered
stock indy bushings ? you'll remind of it shortly  ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 13, 2018, 08:12:56 AM
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wondering if any pal around here has tried the inverted kingpin-krux bushing combo on indys before. Really curious on giving it a try, cheers.
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I've done the inverted kingpin on Indy's with stock indy bushings which worked fine but the Krux bushings would be too tall

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160216_211659_zps0zq9tekj.jpg)
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Does this involve epoxying the nut into the baseplate or anything similar?
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If you frequently loosen or tighten your trucks, you will need to epoxy the nut in place or you'll have to take them off every time you want to tighten it and wedge a screwdriver between the nut and baseplate to hold it in place as you tighten.

I just "set it and forget it" with my trucks so I never bothered
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stock indy bushings ? you'll remind of it shortly  ;)

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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pugmaster on June 13, 2018, 09:03:20 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on June 11, 2018, 04:39:22 AM
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wondering if any pal around here has tried the inverted kingpin-krux bushing combo on indys before. Really curious on giving it a try, cheers.
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I've done the inverted kingpin on Indy's with stock indy bushings which worked fine but the Krux bushings would be too tall

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160216_211659_zps0zq9tekj.jpg)

That looks like a lot of clearance, how much do you think it improved over the stock indy kingpin? Are feebles and smiths easier?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: roba on June 13, 2018, 09:17:24 AM
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wondering if any pal around here has tried the inverted kingpin-krux bushing combo on indys before. Really curious on giving it a try, cheers.
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I've done the inverted kingpin on Indy's with stock indy bushings which worked fine but the Krux bushings would be too tall

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160216_211659_zps0zq9tekj.jpg)
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Does this involve epoxying the nut into the baseplate or anything similar?
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If you frequently loosen or tighten your trucks, you will need to epoxy the nut in place or you'll have to take them off every time you want to tighten it and wedge a screwdriver between the nut and baseplate to hold it in place as you tighten.

I just "set it and forget it" with my trucks so I never bothered

is it possible to have loose trucks with these kingpins? i skate my thunders fairly loose so they are a little wiggly and i've been wondering if it would be possible if i swapped the kingpins to krux. they're a little shorter, no?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on June 13, 2018, 12:13:41 PM
So left of shot is current 147hi forged Thunder. Have riser as nut sticks out a smidge too far. Right is 149 forged to give you an idea of how tight they would be.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on June 13, 2018, 01:20:32 PM
The day I got my new thunders, skated them once and put my Indys back on. Nothing against them even really. Just comparing notes. I think i feel a more "solid landing" on my Indys I think. I'm switching back n forth on shoes too during my experimenting. Emerica Reynolds G6 vs Adidas Busenitz pro. Seems my 42 year old feet get an ache quick in the Busenitz but not the Reynolds. Reynolds with Indys feels pretty good. Thunder with Busenitz feels good until the nagging heel bruise feeling starts.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 13, 2018, 01:45:17 PM
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wondering if any pal around here has tried the inverted kingpin-krux bushing combo on indys before. Really curious on giving it a try, cheers.
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I've done the inverted kingpin on Indy's with stock indy bushings which worked fine but the Krux bushings would be too tall

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160216_211659_zps0zq9tekj.jpg)
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Does this involve epoxying the nut into the baseplate or anything similar?
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If you frequently loosen or tighten your trucks, you will need to epoxy the nut in place or you'll have to take them off every time you want to tighten it and wedge a screwdriver between the nut and baseplate to hold it in place as you tighten.

I just "set it and forget it" with my trucks so I never bothered
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is it possible to have loose trucks with these kingpins? i skate my thunders fairly loose so they are a little wiggly and i've been wondering if it would be possible if i swapped the kingpins to krux. they're a little shorter, no?

Yes, but only if you use soft bushings and/or a low top; it's tricky to get the pin into nylon portion of the nut. I've never been able to get them wiggly with the krux pin as I'd be too worried it's going to fall off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: revfredmorton on June 14, 2018, 11:05:35 AM
indy 149s on front, 144s on back, soft bones bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on June 14, 2018, 04:12:16 PM
Tried my ventures a full turn tighter. Tricks are more stable but trucks can’t oversompensate when I mob a trick. When I grind I’m used to the trucks flopped when grinding so it felt super weird. Bombinghills I actually felt like I can speed wobble more since my bushings rebound faster. Going over rough streets was harder. Went back to original looseness for surf feel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chavo on June 14, 2018, 09:17:17 PM
I had some unused Stage 8s and was surprised that I could mount Stage X hangers. Current setup is Stage 8 baseplates (in order to use old style mounting holes) with Stage X 149 hangers and stock Indy Stage VI bottom bushings, Stage VIII tops.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Clock3rs on June 15, 2018, 02:07:33 AM
Coming from stock independent bushings and searching for more responsive bushings, anybody has a good advice? I hate bones ones. They blow out within 3-4 weeks. I kind of never tried the independent conical 90a's. Also thought about buying some dohdohs.

I would just test the shit, but they are at least 10 to 15 bucks in Europe.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on June 15, 2018, 02:49:16 AM
Quote from: Clock3rs on June 15, 2018, 02:07:33 AM
Coming from stock independent bushings and searching for more responsive bushings, anybody has a good advice? I hate bones ones. They blow out within 3-4 weeks. I kind of never tried the independent conical 90a's. Also thought about buying some dohdohs.

I would just test the shit, but they are at least 10 to 15 bucks in Europe.


Hello. I have liked a lot red Indy aftermarket bushings. My guess is that they come from the same place as Krux ones.
One thing to keep in mind, is that going from stock indys to 90a conical aftermarkets is that the trucks will propably feel wery loose. Especially if you are not a lighter person. Might throw you off in the beginning.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 15, 2018, 10:18:44 AM
Quote from: ultrabra on June 15, 2018, 02:49:16 AM
Quote from: Clock3rs on June 15, 2018, 02:07:33 AM
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Coming from stock independent bushings and searching for more responsive bushings, anybody has a good advice? I hate bones ones. They blow out within 3-4 weeks. I kind of never tried the independent conical 90a's. Also thought about buying some dohdohs.

I would just test the shit, but they are at least 10 to 15 bucks in Europe.
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Hello. I have liked a lot red Indy aftermarket bushings. My guess is that they come from the same place as Krux ones.
One thing to keep in mind, is that going from stock indys to 90a conical aftermarkets is that the trucks will propably feel wery loose. Especially if you are not a lighter person. Might throw you off in the beginning.

Keep in mind that the aftermarket conicals are taller than the aftermarket/stock barrels...stage XI were designed with the short barrel bottoms in mind; as noted above the conicals will indeed feel very loose, especially the 88a ones, to me they feel very unstable on center
(so much so that I just switched to the 88a aftermarket barrels)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on June 16, 2018, 11:15:54 AM
So the madness has struck again and I’ve switched from some Venture 5.8 V-Lights w/ bones mediums back to my old Thunder 149 Ti’s w/ their aftermarket 97d Heavy bushings, cast plate, and Krux Downlow kingpin. I’m just a sucker for that slim hanger shape & the lighter weight I guess

Flip tricks feel like easy mode after the switch. Not that I had any issues with fliptricks on ventures, they just flip faster with thunders. but even with the krux pin, thunders don’t lock into grinds as well as ventures (smiths/feebles on rails specifically) because the hangers so much skinnier and doesn’t have as much “lip”  around the sides of the kingpin that the ventures do. There’s defintely moments where you get pitched from wheelbite w/ thunders whereas ventures are much more forgiving and will at least let you get away with a sloppy rollaway.

I’m gonna try to stick it out with the thunders for a while since they’re my oldest set of trucks, but I’ll probably be back on ventures after a day of bad wheelbite or whenever they finally remake the 5.8 hollow axels.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on June 16, 2018, 07:15:18 PM
Got back on my Thunder 151s today after being on Ace 44s for a long time. I must say the wider trucks felt way better on chunkier ledges and the metal grinds better also. Weird adjustment on the pop though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 17, 2018, 05:08:01 AM
Had Ace 44 classics but like Thunders, the turn was too quick for taste. Sold them and got forged hollow Indy 149s (first time I've ever had Indys without cast plates), threw on some 90A conical Indy aftermarket bushings and I may never use another truck again. These things are perfect!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Smartass on June 17, 2018, 07:59:34 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on June 17, 2018, 05:08:01 AM
Had Ace 44 classics but like Thunders, the turn was too quick for taste. Sold them and got forged hollow Indy 149s (first time I've ever had Indys without cast plates), threw on some 90A conical Indy aftermarket bushings and I may never use another truck again. These things are perfect!

Sorry bud but if you liked the forged hollows, you'll probably love the titanium's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: el chino on June 17, 2018, 08:52:32 PM
Quote from: Smartass on June 17, 2018, 07:59:34 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on June 17, 2018, 05:08:01 AM
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Had Ace 44 classics but like Thunders, the turn was too quick for taste. Sold them and got forged hollow Indy 149s (first time I've ever had Indys without cast plates), threw on some 90A conical Indy aftermarket bushings and I may never use another truck again. These things are perfect!
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Sorry bud but if you liked the forged hollows, you'll probably love the titanium's.
thats what im riding right now(thank you rumplefoarskin) but i switched the top bushing on my back truck and put an old as fuck used indy bushing and its fucking perfect
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 17, 2018, 08:54:13 PM
Quote from: Smartass on June 17, 2018, 07:59:34 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on June 17, 2018, 05:08:01 AM
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Had Ace 44 classics but like Thunders, the turn was too quick for taste. Sold them and got forged hollow Indy 149s (first time I've ever had Indys without cast plates), threw on some 90A conical Indy aftermarket bushings and I may never use another truck again. These things are perfect!
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Sorry bud but if you liked the forged hollows, you'll probably love the titanium's.
Too expensive. I'd only try them because I'd like that the Axle was hard enough so my bolt would never get stuck but I haven't had that problem in years so...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on June 17, 2018, 09:30:47 PM
I'm skating some regular Thunder 148s, stock, 1 thread showing tight.  Wheelbite hasn't really been an issue, but turning has.  If I get some harder bushings I should be able to loosen up a bit right? I like the height and pop so I'm trying to avoid risers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on June 18, 2018, 07:56:44 AM
Quote from: Sad Hippo on June 17, 2018, 09:30:47 PM
I'm skating some regular Thunder 148s, stock, 1 thread showing tight.  Wheelbite hasn't really been an issue, but turning has.  If I get some harder bushings I should be able to loosen up a bit right? I like the height and pop so I'm trying to avoid risers.

I had a thread or two showing and then changed just the bottom bushing to Krux (had to change the washer also) and now it's totally flush and skates great. I'm not real big on conical bushings I guess.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: In A Jar on June 18, 2018, 09:20:18 AM
Some advice please.

I have enjoyed Ventures low 5.2s for a long time, but am trying to skate bigger boards these days.  I had Venture lows on 8" - 8.25" setups with 14.25" wheelbase.  I'm trying to skate 8.3 with 14.38" WB or 8.5" with 14.5" wheelbase.  I have tried Venture 5.8" and love how they skate, but flip tricks become very hard.  I am currently trying some Indy 149s.  I like how they turn and I can flip better since the effective WB is smaller.  But they still feel weird.  I also tried Thunder 148s, but they were a weird mix of old forged baseplate and raw 148 hangars.  They flipped great, but turned awful.  I have Bones medium bushings in all setups (they work for me).   My questions are, will Thunders turn weird even if I get a team baseplate?  Do 149s turn better/worse than 148s?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on June 18, 2018, 11:37:36 AM
Quote from: In A Jar on June 18, 2018, 09:20:18 AM
Some advice please.

I have enjoyed Ventures low 5.2s for a long time, but am trying to skate bigger boards these days.  I had Venture lows on 8" - 8.25" setups with 14.25" wheelbase.  I'm trying to skate 8.3 with 14.38" WB or 8.5" with 14.5" wheelbase.  I have tried Venture 5.8" and love how they skate, but flip tricks become very hard.  I am currently trying some Indy 149s.  I like how they turn and I can flip better since the effective WB is smaller.  But they still feel weird.  I also tried Thunder 148s, but they were a weird mix of old forged baseplate and raw 148 hangars.  They flipped great, but turned awful.  I have Bones medium bushings in all setups (they work for me).   My questions are, will Thunders turn weird even if I get a team baseplate?  Do 149s turn better/worse than 148s?

Thanks!
I don't know anything about thunder, but you seem to like this indy feel, just change the stock bushings (shit) for some aftermarkets indy ones (in the hardness that suit you), words from an indy guy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on June 18, 2018, 12:05:36 PM
Quote from: In A Jar on June 18, 2018, 09:20:18 AM
Some advice please.

I have enjoyed Ventures low 5.2s for a long time, but am trying to skate bigger boards these days.  I had Venture lows on 8" - 8.25" setups with 14.25" wheelbase.  I'm trying to skate 8.3 with 14.38" WB or 8.5" with 14.5" wheelbase.  I have tried Venture 5.8" and love how they skate, but flip tricks become very hard.  I am currently trying some Indy 149s.  I like how they turn and I can flip better since the effective WB is smaller.  But they still feel weird.  I also tried Thunder 148s, but they were a weird mix of old forged baseplate and raw 148 hangars.  They flipped great, but turned awful.  I have Bones medium bushings in all setups (they work for me).   My questions are, will Thunders turn weird even if I get a team baseplate?  Do 149s turn better/worse than 148s?

Thanks!

Only talking about the Thunders, the thing that's going to affect the turn more than the baseplate is the bushings. Bones geometry in Thunders is totally off. The bones bottom bushing is way too short and the top bushing is way too tall, throws off the center of the hanger in the kingpin pretty drastically. Stock Thunder bushings give you a much quicker/deeper turn than the bones will allow (still have to deal with wheelbite though, especially with forged plates). Probably worth the $10 to try em out before plunking down for a set of Teams.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 18, 2018, 01:12:12 PM
Anything will work if you get used to it but Thunder's bottom bushing is perfect for thunders, nothing else has the right height (Thunder bottom bushings are TALL); top bushings can be easily swapped out but for those that ride loose it's tough to do without changing out the bottom (throwing off geo) or, using the bottom with either a low or sanded down or super soft top (so it compresses to get the damn nut on).

I gave up using anything other than thunder bottoms and just ended up sanding down the tops, worked great.

 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: In A Jar on June 18, 2018, 03:17:39 PM
Cool thanks everyone.  The main reason I have stuck with Bones bushings is because they avoid freezing up in the winter better than other bushings I've found.  But since it's summer maybe I'll give the Thunders another go with the stock bushings. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 19, 2018, 02:23:04 AM
if you guys feel odd about your truck setups i know someone currently rocking a hand me down setup consisting of two krux baseplates, a hollow light 147 hangar on the back and a fucking 7.75 generic hangar on the front.....on an 8.75
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on June 19, 2018, 06:29:13 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on June 19, 2018, 02:23:04 AM
if you guys feel odd about your truck setups i know someone currently rocking a hand me down setup consisting of two krux baseplates, a hollow light 147 hangar on the back and a fucking 7.75 generic hangar on the front.....on an 8.75

Some people just don't give a shit, and I envy those people. They probably have more fun skating at the end of the day than I do as I'm sweating whether my Thunders are good for tailslides or my Ventures are good for 360 flips  :'(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 19, 2018, 08:39:13 AM
Re Thunder Bushings.....are the after markets any good?  I remember way back the geometry of Indy and thunder wasn't that different and you bought thunders because of supercush.... Not sure why deluxe doesn't market that brand harder....are they any good though? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 19, 2018, 09:49:26 AM
on my 149s ive had the 90a red bushings (from the rebuild kit) and the 94a blue ones. reds were way too soft for me; wheelbite with 54mm wheels and risers. blues were nice but i think the stock piss yellow ones were best - 100a i think? that being said if i was gonna buy aftermarket ones i'd probably opt for the 97as.

finally decided to cave in, gonna buy a new set of 149s on friday. while the groove was nice and i really wanted to ride them until they snapped the fucked up bushings, losing axle nuts every other session, worn out mounting holes and fucked up rear kingpin are more trouble than it's worth. gonna see how long it takes to get the next set down to the axle.

(https://i.imgur.com/m7IQyQB.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 19, 2018, 10:30:43 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 19, 2018, 08:39:13 AM
Re Thunder Bushings.....are the after markets any good?  I remember way back the geometry of Indy and thunder wasn't that different and you bought thunders because of supercush.... Not sure why deluxe doesn't market that brand harder....are they any good though?

http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=42349

"Supercush Bushings are designed for Independent and Venture trucks. They will not fit in Thunder Trucks"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on June 19, 2018, 10:39:05 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 19, 2018, 08:39:13 AM
Re Thunder Bushings.....are the after markets any good?  I remember way back the geometry of Indy and thunder wasn't that different and you bought thunders because of supercush.... Not sure why deluxe doesn't market that brand harder....are they any good though?

I had supercush in some Indys back in 1990, and there was nothing better. Yes that was over a quarter of a century ago, but they were boss. But like Zen said, apparently not for Thunder. Although I think they fit them back in that era
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on June 19, 2018, 11:01:09 AM
Madness update: I switch Thunders and Indys back and forth, even if I haven't rode them that time. My wife doesn't even want to hear about this anymore. Unlucky her, I don't even skate with anyone anymore, due to my schedule,  so she has to listen.

"Where were you?" @2am
"Downstairs"
"Why?"
"Just uh.. looking at my trucks"
"Oh my god"

She doesn't even know there's a set of Ventures down there,  hiding in the shadows. Heh heh heh.

I know some of my madness is video influenced, which is irritating to even me.
If I watch Eastern Exposure (Ricky), Heath or Cardiel I'm like "Indys it is, fuck da rest" .
If I watch Busenitz, McCrank, Puig - "need them Thunders son".
If I watch Guy (mouse), Shef, PJ,  Tim O, "gotta get tech on the V-force brah!".

All these trucks are great, for different reasons. As bad as my left ankle is becoming,  I need stability something fierce. May try the Ventures out again, may not. When I land almost any trick my left ankle wants to roll, it's trash.

I also think since I finally joined the 8.0 and up deck world, everything feels different after all those years of 7.5-7.75. (I even have some venture 5.0 on hand "just in case"). And my inconsistent free time to get used to any of these, ha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on June 19, 2018, 01:35:41 PM
Quote from: feriruzu on June 19, 2018, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: fang on June 19, 2018, 11:01:09 AM
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Madness update: I switch Thunders and Indys back and forth, even if I haven't rode them that time. My wife doesn't even want to hear about this anymore. Unlucky her, I don't even skate with anyone anymore, due to my schedule,  so she has to listen.

"Where were you?" @2am
"Downstairs"
"Why?"
"Just uh.. looking at my trucks"
"Oh my god"

She doesn't even know there's a set of Ventures down there,  hiding in the shadows. Heh heh heh.

I know some of my madness is video influenced, which is irritating to even me.
If I watch Eastern Exposure (Ricky), Heath or Cardiel I'm like "Indys it is, fuck da rest" .
If I watch Busenitz, McCrank, Puig - "need them Thunders son".
If I watch Guy (mouse), Shef, PJ,  Tim O, "gotta get tech on the V-force brah!".

All these trucks are great, for different reasons. As bad as my left ankle is becoming,  I need stability something fierce. May try the Ventures out again, may not. When I land almost any trick my left ankle wants to roll, it's trash.

I also think since I finally joined the 8.0 and up deck world, everything feels different after all those years of 7.5-7.75. (I even have some venture 5.0 on hand "just in case"). And my inconsistent free time to get used to any of these, ha
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My wife wonders the same thing. "Why are you taking your skateboards apart again?!?". I don't have anyone to skate with either so she gets to hear my mad ramblings as well. I've been mostly content with the new Thunder Team Lights with stock bushings but just ordered some Tracker Axis 149's if for nothing to just rule them out. I have no idea what to expect from them, haven't tried Tracker since my last set of Ultralights in the late 80's. Hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised. Try a compression sleeve or sock on that ankle. I've got a dud push foot ankle and use a copper compression sleeve which has helped me a lot!
I don't know how you have time to do all that between focusing accounts, taking shirtless photos, and sending ben de gros wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: delaware county on June 19, 2018, 02:53:30 PM
any Venture people on here? I got a set of the blank ones and I love em, I don't know how much has changed since the Street corner to DLX thing but I set em up and left them factory tightness, does anyone use em with the bones bushings? Just curious
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on June 19, 2018, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: delaware county on June 19, 2018, 02:53:30 PM
any Venture people on here? I got a set of the blank ones and I love em, I don't know how much has changed since the Street corner to DLX thing but I set em up and left them factory tightness, does anyone use em with the bones bushings? Just curious

I rode only venture since i was 11 (turned 30 yesterday) i just switched to thunder, i prefer the height of them but my last pair of ventures i had bones bushings in them, they felt great but you might have to sand down the bottom bushing a bit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on June 19, 2018, 05:25:46 PM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on June 19, 2018, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: delaware county on June 19, 2018, 02:53:30 PM
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any Venture people on here? I got a set of the blank ones and I love em, I don't know how much has changed since the Street corner to DLX thing but I set em up and left them factory tightness, does anyone use em with the bones bushings? Just curious
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I rode only venture since i was 11 (turned 30 yesterday) i just switched to thunder, i prefer the height of them but my last pair of ventures i had bones bushings in them, they felt great but you might have to sand down the bottom bushing a bit

I have the same blank venture highs and I love them. Usually I'll have a truck crisis every 6 months or so, constantly switching between indy and thunder but I'm finally satisfied with these. Slapped some indy super soft (white) bushings and they turn so smooth and don't really wheelbite.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 19, 2018, 06:14:44 PM
Quote from: delaware county on June 19, 2018, 02:53:30 PM
any Venture people on here? I got a set of the blank ones and I love em, I don't know how much has changed since the Street corner to DLX thing but I set em up and left them factory tightness, does anyone use em with the bones bushings? Just curious

I’m a Venture fanboy. Have been running the 5.8 v-light highs for a while they rule...very surfy, though feel more stable than Indy, and that’s with them at the tightness that they came at as well. That said, I am also running harder bushings in the ventures so that might have something to do with it (along with the fact that they are slightly lower and stretch out your wheelbase a bit). Haven’t tried them with bones but I saw someone in the setup thread was a few pages back.

Following a conversation with Fang earlier in this thread I also set up a smaller board with some standard 5.0 lows. I grew up skating them and always loved them, so coming back to them now feels great but the highs are definitely a more “fun” ride.

Also, great username.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 19, 2018, 08:09:47 PM
Quote from: fang on June 19, 2018, 10:39:05 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 19, 2018, 08:39:13 AM
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Re Thunder Bushings.....are the after markets any good?  I remember way back the geometry of Indy and thunder wasn't that different and you bought thunders because of supercush.... Not sure why deluxe doesn't market that brand harder....are they any good though?
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I had supercush in some Indys back in 1990, and there was nothing better. Yes that was over a quarter of a century ago, but they were boss. But like Zen said, apparently not for Thunder. Although I think they fit them back in that era

Thunder in thunders?  This is the truck thread....there must be some other brand after market that works? Khiros?  Some longboard shit? 

The bushing thread with measurements and profiles....weights....this is what we need....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 19, 2018, 08:55:06 PM
Quote from: feriruzu on June 19, 2018, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: fang on June 19, 2018, 11:01:09 AM
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Madness update: I switch Thunders and Indys back and forth, even if I haven't rode them that time. My wife doesn't even want to hear about this anymore. Unlucky her, I don't even skate with anyone anymore, due to my schedule,  so she has to listen.

"Where were you?" @2am
"Downstairs"
"Why?"
"Just uh.. looking at my trucks"
"Oh my god"

She doesn't even know there's a set of Ventures down there,  hiding in the shadows. Heh heh heh.

I know some of my madness is video influenced, which is irritating to even me.
If I watch Eastern Exposure (Ricky), Heath or Cardiel I'm like "Indys it is, fuck da rest" .
If I watch Busenitz, McCrank, Puig - "need them Thunders son".
If I watch Guy (mouse), Shef, PJ,  Tim O, "gotta get tech on the V-force brah!".

All these trucks are great, for different reasons. As bad as my left ankle is becoming,  I need stability something fierce. May try the Ventures out again, may not. When I land almost any trick my left ankle wants to roll, it's trash.

I also think since I finally joined the 8.0 and up deck world, everything feels different after all those years of 7.5-7.75. (I even have some venture 5.0 on hand "just in case"). And my inconsistent free time to get used to any of these, ha
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My wife wonders the same thing. "Why are you taking your skateboards apart again?!?". I don't have anyone to skate with either so she gets to hear my mad ramblings as well. I've been mostly content with the new Thunder Team Lights with stock bushings but just ordered some Tracker Axis 149's if for nothing to just rule them out. I have no idea what to expect from them, haven't tried Tracker since my last set of Ultralights in the late 80's. Hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised. Try a compression sleeve or sock on that ankle. I've got a dud push foot ankle and use a copper compression sleeve which has helped me a lot!

(http://shibleyrahman.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/deep.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on June 19, 2018, 09:08:56 PM
I use either stock Thunders the army green ones or Supercush on any truck. I usually run the green (94a) Supercush . Ive ran supercush on those titanium team Thunders. I just shave them a bit to make them conical and the height on the bushing fits dead on the Thunders.

Btw the taller baseplate makes a difference. Even if its 1mm.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 19, 2018, 09:26:46 PM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on June 19, 2018, 09:08:56 PM
I use either stock Thunders the army green ones or Supercush on any truck. I usually run the green (94a) Supercush . Ive ran supercush on those titanium team Thunders. I just shave them a bit to make them conical and the height on the bushing fits dead on the Thunders.

Btw the taller baseplate makes a difference. Even if its 1mm.

If I recall, someone on the board recently went barrel bottoms on current thunders; I wonder how they worked out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on June 19, 2018, 09:31:31 PM
Quote from: Xen on June 19, 2018, 09:26:46 PM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on June 19, 2018, 09:08:56 PM
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If I recall, someone on the board recently went barrel bottoms on current thunders; I wonder how they worked out

They might work good I just like conical on thunders because of how slim the bottom bushing seat is on thunder baseplates. I end up bending the washer if I use a barrel.  I weigh 255 so i tend to fuck up up washers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on June 19, 2018, 10:32:14 PM
Quote from: delaware county on June 19, 2018, 02:53:30 PM
any Venture people on here? I got a set of the blank ones and I love em, I don't know how much has changed since the Street corner to DLX thing but I set em up and left them factory tightness, does anyone use em with the bones bushings? Just curious

Hi! I had a pair of Venture 5.2 low hollows a few years ago. And they where great.
Did absolutely nothing to them. Grinded them all the way to the axels, and was bummed when i had to get new trucks. Really good trucks.
Bones bushing should fit on Ventures, but i try to avoid them because they can break.

Now if Venture just would do the 5,5 width(mid  ::).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 19, 2018, 11:15:23 PM
Hey guys I’m back, worked enough to have a car recently and been tinkering with that so my truck madness has been at bay

Loving my set up though

Thunder 149 lights with really really broken in stock yellow thunders my friend skated for me cause at the time I was going crazy with indys and krux and such while he got them nice and worn in

As much as I hate silvers I wanna try them for a day just to see how do some odd balls ride them?? From my memory they were like a worse venture low

Maybe I’ll finally get some destructos haha
 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on June 20, 2018, 04:17:17 AM
Quote from: rob on June 19, 2018, 11:15:23 PM
Hey guys I’m back, worked enough to have a car recently and been tinkering with that so my truck madness has been at bay

Loving my set up though

Thunder 149 lights with really really broken in stock yellow thunders my friend skated for me cause at the time I was going crazy with indys and krux and such while he got them nice and worn in

As much as I hate silvers I wanna try them for a day just to see how do some odd balls ride them?? From my memory they were like a worse venture low

Maybe I’ll finally get some destructos haha

Hi there Rob.
If you like Thunder, minilogo and much more ;D. Might be that Destructo`s are not for you.
Just guessing. I had a set of Destructo 5,5 MID. And they definetly were not mid. And i just checked that Bertrand`s spredsheet. The Blogspot thing. And there they are set at 54,5mm central axle.
I remember comparing them to my Indy stg11 149, and they were as tall.
I liked more my Indy`s.
But it is personal preference of course.
Wery good buildquality though.

Was it so that they come frome the same foundry as Theeve maybe?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 20, 2018, 04:24:38 AM
yeah if you're enjoying thunders i wouldn't go anywhere near destructo or silvers. had a pair of both in 2013 and they were always just stiff as a motherfucker. i'd say the silvers were marginally better but there's still barely any places stocking either of them here in the UK and for the price i'd rather buy thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on June 20, 2018, 06:09:12 AM
Wife busted me putting my Indys back on last night  :-X
She was all "it's storming out anyway?!?!"
"Could dry up, super humid out there, These were built to grind yo". (It rained through the night)

Worst part is how she repeatedly has said, since my madness started "I dunno why you mess around, you're just gonna use Indys again". She is wise beyond her years, I should probably just stick to Indys and stop messing around. I definitely like stage 11 over 10 (which I did like though), and 1000% over stage 9. Almost need a note by my basement door that says "face it, you're an Indy guy. Built to grind, Fuck the rest, etc."
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on June 20, 2018, 06:31:52 AM
Epiphany: Have a clear out.
Go back to the old days when you had one set up that was ridden till death, and sometimes beyond.
Consumerism is a bottomless pit and no amount of unobtainium axles or aftermarket hypercooled superconductive bushings will fill.
You like Indy, you be you and own that shit.
You like Thunder, cool, you stick with that.
I am away to find my box of used trucks and accoutrements disperse them to the great unwashed at the local pit.
Farewell Truck set up thread, it has been emotional but I think it is best for us to part ways now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on June 20, 2018, 07:00:07 AM
Good call. I only own one deck so I'm working on that. Boards last me way longer than they used to, so I don't really need spares. Unfortunately (that I don't wear boards out like I used to).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on June 20, 2018, 09:58:42 AM
All of my problems would be solved if Venture just came out with a 5.5. I skate 8.25s now, and 5.2's are too small, and I can't stand the feeling of 8.5" trucks on an 8.25" deck.  So I'm on Thunder 148s until that day comes. I don't hate them, but it's not the same.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ungzilla on June 20, 2018, 10:05:17 AM
i was sick of bones medium bushings blowing out constantly, in thunder 149 high lights. so i put some doh doh's medium in there. i added a standard bottom washer, and still using the small bones top washer. i don't notice any difference. i never skated them with the default bushings. hopefully these don't explode after a week.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Italianshredder96 on June 20, 2018, 10:14:01 AM
I quite like bones bushings in thunder, I noted that if you use both washers it's not a big of a deal...but they're failed on me after 6 months.

Now I got krux bushings left from my old krux is super stable, but the turning is not quick at all.

So next bones again or thunder? Ahahhahah
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on June 20, 2018, 10:30:01 AM
I don't really understand the need to put aftermarket bushings in Thunders, the stock ones have always performed well/held up great for me at least. I've switched back from my 5.2 Venture V Light hi's to standard Thunder 147s, and what I'm thinking is Ventures are undoubtedly better for grind clearance and slides/stability while Thunders feel better for flip tricks/overall board control. Still can't pick a definitive side...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 20, 2018, 06:17:46 PM
Haha you guys tell your wives about this shit?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on June 20, 2018, 06:50:32 PM
I have no choice! I disappear for 20 minutes downstairs and she wants answers. The worst part is i probably have a guilty look on my face like I was caught jerking of.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 20, 2018, 07:18:40 PM
Quote from: fang on June 20, 2018, 06:50:32 PM
I have no choice! I disappear for 20 minutes downstairs and she wants answers. The worst part is i probably have a guilty look on my face like I was caught jerking of.
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on June 20, 2018, 07:26:09 PM
Haha, pretty much.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on June 20, 2018, 07:48:04 PM
Quote from: delaware county on June 19, 2018, 02:53:30 PM
any Venture people on here? I got a set of the blank ones and I love em, I don't know how much has changed since the Street corner to DLX thing but I set em up and left them factory tightness, does anyone use em with the bones bushings? Just curious

I am riding the 5.8 “AWAKE” with green hangers, put the Indy white super soft barrel bushing in them. I love them super stable and minimal wheel bite, they turn great and nose/tail slides are on point.

I haven’t tryed bones bushings because I blew every set out in my Thunders. I think that I am sold on the new Ventures. When I need new trucks they will be the polished or 5.8 lites.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on June 20, 2018, 07:51:56 PM
I ride polished Venture 5.8s with stock bushings, top one shaved half way down.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 20, 2018, 10:29:45 PM
Quote from: fang on June 20, 2018, 07:26:09 PM
Haha, pretty much.

I love this....gonna insta story it right now....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 20, 2018, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 20, 2018, 10:29:45 PM
Quote from: fang on June 20, 2018, 07:26:09 PM
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Haha, pretty much.
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I love this....gonna insta story it right now....
please do!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pugmaster on June 21, 2018, 05:41:29 PM
I purchased some of the down low king pins to put on some 149 indys. Does anyone know what the name of the tool/apparatus that is used to push the kingpin out in this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5oOP2OvhRs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5oOP2OvhRs)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 22, 2018, 02:08:43 AM
looks just like a workshop press?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on June 22, 2018, 07:00:40 AM
Quote from: fang on June 20, 2018, 06:50:32 PM
I disappear for 20 minutes to the den and she wants answers. The worst part is I definitely have a guilty look on my face like I was caught jerking of.
Change a couple words and we are the same.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 22, 2018, 11:04:43 AM
thought they'd have came with piss yellow bushings but theyre blue

(https://instagram.fman3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/vp/a1b903a0f4c52d6d6608db839eb11d8c/5BA9ABB7/t51.2885-15/e35/35380729_646215875718354_2357557469179281408_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on June 22, 2018, 11:43:18 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on June 22, 2018, 11:04:43 AM
thought they'd have came with piss yellow bushings but theyre blue

(https://instagram.fman3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/vp/a1b903a0f4c52d6d6608db839eb11d8c/5BA9ABB7/t51.2885-15/e35/35380729_646215875718354_2357557469179281408_n.jpg)

That freaked me out too. Apparently that's the color now. Don't worry, still skate the same
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 22, 2018, 12:06:47 PM
came loose as fuck, had to crank it down a few threads and theyve been pretty solid so far. great turn, no wheelbite. got a few tricks on a ledge i was struggling with the other day too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 22, 2018, 10:14:19 PM
Quote from: fang on June 20, 2018, 06:09:12 AM
Wife busted me putting my Indys back on last night  :-X
She was all "it's storming out anyway?!?!"
"Could dry up, super humid out there, These were built to grind yo". (It rained through the night)

Worst part is how she repeatedly has said, since my madness started "I dunno why you mess around, you're just gonna use Indys again". She is wise beyond her years, I should probably just stick to Indys and stop messing around. I definitely like stage 11 over 10 (which I did like though), and 1000% over stage 9. Almost need a note by my basement door that says "face it, you're an Indy guy. Built to grind, Fuck the rest, etc."

Indy’s were on my very first set up and I’ve gotten intrigued to tried other trucks but I almost always instantly regret not sticking with Indy (some times I like other trucks for a while but always go back to Indys). I just like how they can be ridden loose and are both stable and well turning at the same time.

It’s to the point that if I was pro I’d still ride Indys no mater how much another truck company would pay me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on June 23, 2018, 02:20:24 PM
See Koston going back and forth from venture and thunder here. Can anyone tell what trucks Guy is using? At 0:24 is probably easiest

http://youtu.be/jOM-zQhCp9A
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 23, 2018, 02:39:07 PM
Quote from: fang on June 23, 2018, 02:20:24 PM
See Koston going back and forth from venture and thunder here. Can anyone tell what trucks Guy is using? At 0:24 is probably easiest

http://youtu.be/jOM-zQhCp9A

Guy is one of the only pros to actually skate Royals as he's one of the founders (along with Johnson?).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: micky682 on June 23, 2018, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: Xen on June 23, 2018, 02:39:07 PM
Quote from: fang on June 23, 2018, 02:20:24 PM
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See Koston going back and forth from venture and thunder here. Can anyone tell what trucks Guy is using? At 0:24 is probably easiest

http://youtu.be/jOM-zQhCp9A
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Guy is one of the only pros to actually skate Royals as he's one of the founders (along with Johnson?).
I don’t think he rides Royal since it’s still under Crailtap.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stanley Spadowski on June 23, 2018, 02:52:59 PM
Quote from: micky682 on June 23, 2018, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: Xen on June 23, 2018, 02:39:07 PM
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Quote from: fang on June 23, 2018, 02:20:24 PM
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See Koston going back and forth from venture and thunder here. Can anyone tell what trucks Guy is using? At 0:24 is probably easiest

http://youtu.be/jOM-zQhCp9A
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Guy is one of the only pros to actually skate Royals as he's one of the founders (along with Johnson?).
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I don’t think he rides Royal since it’s still under Crailtap.
Yeah, Guy’s not on the team page anymore.
www.royalskateboardtrucks.com (http://www.royalskateboardtrucks.com)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on June 23, 2018, 05:39:55 PM
I was guessing they were thunders but I can't see shit on my phone
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 24, 2018, 07:13:44 PM
Quote from: Stanley Spadowski on June 23, 2018, 02:52:59 PM
Quote from: micky682 on June 23, 2018, 02:42:57 PM
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Quote from: Xen on June 23, 2018, 02:39:07 PM
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Quote from: fang on June 23, 2018, 02:20:24 PM
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See Koston going back and forth from venture and thunder here. Can anyone tell what trucks Guy is using? At 0:24 is probably easiest

http://youtu.be/jOM-zQhCp9A
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Guy is one of the only pros to actually skate Royals as he's one of the founders (along with Johnson?).
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I don’t think he rides Royal since it’s still under Crailtap.
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Yeah, Guy’s not on the team page anymore.
www.royalskateboardtrucks.com (http://www.royalskateboardtrucks.com)

I agree with fang, probably thunders

True he was one of the only people to actually ride royals

Royals are so odd to me, they’re good for me when I barely start a session then once the bushings get warmed up no matter how tight I have them they start getting that Walmart mushy stiff loose feel

They help a lot with quick pop and flip tricks but they suck for stability and feel, they feel almost worse than that fragile forged feel I use to get with 8” trucks with forged plates

I can do the forged with a heavy hangar on 144/148/149 but anything smaller sized with a lot of light weight components just throws me off, I think cause of the lack of stability and light weight makes them feel too much for my adult weight and landing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on June 24, 2018, 08:00:53 PM
Anyone have newish Thunder 147s? Did they ever update their height and kingpin clearance? Been thinking about going 8" or -8" and that's kind of a deal breaker.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 24, 2018, 09:51:16 PM
Quote from: Jollyoli on June 20, 2018, 06:31:52 AM
Epiphany: Have a clear out.

I dropped a ton of stuff at my local to be handed out to the groms...down to a cruiser and a regular setup; no extra decks on hand, one set of backup wheels (spit radial slims with a chunk missing) and some bigger SPFs if I feel the need.

Thunders are off the radar; my time to skate is limited now and my local (~than two blocks away) is mainly tranny and could never get them dialed for it due to wheelbite.

Slapped together some 144 forged indy hollows: riptide cups and 88a Indy aftermarkets (barrel bottoms+stock washer, shaved top+bones washer) to face off against the Theeves...which only feel right with bones softs but after a while, the softs mush out (my old mediums feel like they've turned to stone after a period of no use and felt terrible).

If I wasn't worried about weight I'd probably just stick with ACEs and call it day.

So close....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on June 25, 2018, 07:10:39 AM
Quote from: Sad Hippo on June 24, 2018, 08:00:53 PM
Anyone have newish Thunder 147s? Did they ever update their height and kingpin clearance? Been thinking about going 8" or -8" and that's kind of a deal breaker.

I got mine about 2 months ago. To my knowledge they're the same they've been since the redesign several years ago (2011??) except they come with blue bushings instead of yellow. I'm hoping for a 147 update soon. Didn't someone say recently Deluxe was working on a new design with extended baseplates or something?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on June 25, 2018, 07:55:15 AM
Quote from: baustin on June 25, 2018, 07:10:39 AM
Quote from: Sad Hippo on June 24, 2018, 08:00:53 PM
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Anyone have newish Thunder 147s? Did they ever update their height and kingpin clearance? Been thinking about going 8" or -8" and that's kind of a deal breaker.
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I got mine about 2 months ago. To my knowledge they're the same they've been since the redesign several years ago (2011??) except they come with blue bushings instead of yellow. I'm hoping for a 147 update soon. Didn't someone say recently Deluxe was working on a new design with extended baseplates or something?
Yea there were a couple of pics floating around of extended baseplates, but nothing for a long time. I wish they’d hurry it up. Seems like any change in a truck takes years for some reason.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 25, 2018, 10:47:27 AM
Quote from: Sad Hippo on June 25, 2018, 07:55:15 AM
Quote from: baustin on June 25, 2018, 07:10:39 AM
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Quote from: Sad Hippo on June 24, 2018, 08:00:53 PM
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Anyone have newish Thunder 147s? Did they ever update their height and kingpin clearance? Been thinking about going 8" or -8" and that's kind of a deal breaker.
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I got mine about 2 months ago. To my knowledge they're the same they've been since the redesign several years ago (2011??) except they come with blue bushings instead of yellow. I'm hoping for a 147 update soon. Didn't someone say recently Deluxe was working on a new design with extended baseplates or something?
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Yea there were a couple of pics floating around of extended baseplates, but nothing for a long time. I wish they’d hurry it up. Seems like any change in a truck takes years for some reason.

I'd imagine it's pretty simple if all they were doing was adding a little more meat to the baseplate at the pivot: re-design, prototype, test, lock it in, make a mold, test yields, another round of testing and go, especially given how long the rumor has been in the wild (and who knows how long they've been kicking around the idea). But perhaps they are looking to tweek other shit now seeing as wanting less wheelbite seems to be a real thing nowadays?

Then add in marketing, picking the pro trucks, manufacturing, shipping, etc., etc.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on June 25, 2018, 01:32:46 PM
Also gotta take into account that no one will want the old trucks anymore and distributors and shops left with shitloads of them will be bummed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on June 26, 2018, 04:41:10 PM
92 v lights? Featherlights? Or just the old font?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkGSWSDlcyf/?hl=en
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on June 27, 2018, 11:17:01 AM
ACE baseplates work really great with Theeve hangars fyi. May lift your board a mm or two, and shortens the wb by same.

That is all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 27, 2018, 09:37:40 PM
what about mag plates on tih hangers?  The ultimate frankentruck......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 27, 2018, 09:41:58 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 27, 2018, 09:37:40 PM
what about mag plates on tih hangers?  The ultimate frankentruck......

I'm pissed I can't find my pic, Tihangers, mag plate, krux pin, riptide cups, krux bushings but it did happen!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 27, 2018, 09:44:07 PM
well, thats out shone anything else ive ever read in this thread, bravo xen
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 27, 2018, 10:10:28 PM
I’m still stumped on how gerwer can ride 147

I like them a lot but the lack of stability after riding 148/149 is night and day
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on June 28, 2018, 06:51:04 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 27, 2018, 09:37:40 PM
what about mag plates on tih hangers?  The ultimate frankentruck......
Its ALIVE!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on June 28, 2018, 07:46:26 AM
Quote from: Xen on June 27, 2018, 09:41:58 PM
I'm pissed I can't find my pic, Tihangers, mag plate, krux pin, riptide cups, krux bushings but it did happen!
Can I hammer out the kingpin on the mag plates or do I need to use a big ass press?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on June 28, 2018, 09:36:13 AM
Quote from: Firebert on June 28, 2018, 07:46:26 AM
Quote from: Xen on June 27, 2018, 09:41:58 PM
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I'm pissed I can't find my pic, Tihangers, mag plate, krux pin, riptide cups, krux bushings but it did happen!
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Can I hammer out the kingpin on the mag plates or do I need to use a big ass press?

I put mine against a wall and hammered it out pretty easily
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 28, 2018, 10:19:21 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on June 28, 2018, 09:36:13 AM
Quote from: Firebert on June 28, 2018, 07:46:26 AM
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Quote from: Xen on June 27, 2018, 09:41:58 PM
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I'm pissed I can't find my pic, Tihangers, mag plate, krux pin, riptide cups, krux bushings but it did happen!
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Can I hammer out the kingpin on the mag plates or do I need to use a big ass press?
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I put mine against a wall and hammered it out pretty easily

I stand by the parking block method; place the plate, flat on top of the block, pin over the rebar hole and hammer away.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 28, 2018, 10:29:19 AM
To the people here who have posted about skinnier locknuts for adding more spacers: can I just grip these from home depot or wherever, or is there a specific source?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 28, 2018, 11:54:43 AM
what yall know about destructo baseplates tensor hangars and thunder bushings ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 28, 2018, 01:49:17 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on June 28, 2018, 10:29:19 AM
To the people here who have posted about skinnier locknuts for adding more spacers: can I just grip these from home depot or wherever, or is there a specific source?

HD might have them, you'd just have to look around.

https://www.amazon.com/Hard-Find-Fastener-014973323349-Locknut-Thin/dp/B00L1L5KZ2/ref=asc_df_B00L1L5KZ2/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=168246108927&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=757964247584783109&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031003&hvtargid=pla-310395209009&psc=1



King pins too. https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/37123

http://www.tacomascrew.com/Products/Nylon-Insert-Lock-Nuts/065-007-1_5
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 28, 2018, 01:52:35 PM
Quote from: Xen on June 28, 2018, 01:49:17 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on June 28, 2018, 10:29:19 AM
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To the people here who have posted about skinnier locknuts for adding more spacers: can I just grip these from home depot or wherever, or is there a specific source?
[close]

HD might have them, you'd just have to look around.

https://www.amazon.com/Hard-Find-Fastener-014973323349-Locknut-Thin/dp/B00L1L5KZ2/ref=asc_df_B00L1L5KZ2/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=168246108927&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=757964247584783109&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031003&hvtargid=pla-310395209009&psc=1



King pins too. https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/37123

http://www.tacomascrew.com/Products/Nylon-Insert-Lock-Nuts/065-007-1_5

Thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 28, 2018, 02:07:07 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on June 28, 2018, 01:52:35 PM
Quote from: Xen on June 28, 2018, 01:49:17 PM
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Quote from: FrozenIndustries on June 28, 2018, 10:29:19 AM
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To the people here who have posted about skinnier locknuts for adding more spacers: can I just grip these from home depot or wherever, or is there a specific source?
[close]

HD might have them, you'd just have to look around.

https://www.amazon.com/Hard-Find-Fastener-014973323349-Locknut-Thin/dp/B00L1L5KZ2/ref=asc_df_B00L1L5KZ2/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=168246108927&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=757964247584783109&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031003&hvtargid=pla-310395209009&psc=1



King pins too. https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/37123

http://www.tacomascrew.com/Products/Nylon-Insert-Lock-Nuts/065-007-1_5
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Thanks!

Be cautious, there is a reason why the industry uses what we use currently (could be cost, could be availability, could be thread/nylon ratio to properly secure the nut.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on June 28, 2018, 05:39:59 PM
I was pretty excited about the thin nuts as well.... then I actually measured skate axle nuts and realized they are the same width as the "thin" ones I found. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 29, 2018, 07:20:25 AM
Quote from: Xen on June 28, 2018, 02:07:07 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on June 28, 2018, 01:52:35 PM
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Quote from: Xen on June 28, 2018, 01:49:17 PM
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Quote from: FrozenIndustries on June 28, 2018, 10:29:19 AM
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To the people here who have posted about skinnier locknuts for adding more spacers: can I just grip these from home depot or wherever, or is there a specific source?
[close]

HD might have them, you'd just have to look around.

https://www.amazon.com/Hard-Find-Fastener-014973323349-Locknut-Thin/dp/B00L1L5KZ2/ref=asc_df_B00L1L5KZ2/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=168246108927&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=757964247584783109&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031003&hvtargid=pla-310395209009&psc=1



King pins too. https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/37123

http://www.tacomascrew.com/Products/Nylon-Insert-Lock-Nuts/065-007-1_5
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Thanks!
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Be cautious, there is a reason why the industry uses what we use currently (could be cost, could be availability, could be thread/nylon ratio to properly secure the nut.

For sure. I really just need want to get one more washer on each axle, but if it doesn't work it wont be too bad.

Quote from: backinaction on June 28, 2018, 05:39:59 PM
I was pretty excited about the thin nuts as well.... then I actually measured skate axle nuts and realized they are the same width as the "thin" ones I found. 

If I end up with any that are actually thinner I'll post for sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 30, 2018, 01:48:03 AM
I was strolling through the shop today and....

Did indy really under the radar modify the stage 11? The hangar looks a bit different

Like they’re supposed to turn faster to compete with ace

They look more ace like at the stem and a little more leaned back but idk

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on June 30, 2018, 07:46:29 AM
Quote from: Xen on June 28, 2018, 02:07:07 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on June 28, 2018, 01:52:35 PM
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Quote from: Xen on June 28, 2018, 01:49:17 PM
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Quote from: FrozenIndustries on June 28, 2018, 10:29:19 AM
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To the people here who have posted about skinnier locknuts for adding more spacers: can I just grip these from home depot or wherever, or is there a specific source?
[close]

HD might have them, you'd just have to look around.

https://www.amazon.com/Hard-Find-Fastener-014973323349-Locknut-Thin/dp/B00L1L5KZ2/ref=asc_df_B00L1L5KZ2/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=168246108927&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=757964247584783109&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031003&hvtargid=pla-310395209009&psc=1



King pins too. https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/37123

http://www.tacomascrew.com/Products/Nylon-Insert-Lock-Nuts/065-007-1_5
[close]

Thanks!
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Be cautious, there is a reason why the industry uses what we use currently (could be cost, could be availability, could be thread/nylon ratio to properly secure the nut.



I came up totally empty looking for truck hardware (axle, kingpin nuts) at Lowe's. Everything they had was too thick and wouldn't have made proper contact with the nylon inserts.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on June 30, 2018, 08:44:51 AM
Quote from: rob on June 30, 2018, 01:48:03 AM
I was strolling through the shop today and....

Did indy really under the radar modify the stage 11? The hangar looks a bit different

Like they’re supposed to turn faster to compete with ace

They look more ace like at the stem and a little more leaned back but idk

I need confirmation on this.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 30, 2018, 10:12:49 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on June 30, 2018, 08:44:51 AM
Quote from: rob on June 30, 2018, 01:48:03 AM
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I was strolling through the shop today and....

Did indy really under the radar modify the stage 11? The hangar looks a bit different

Like they’re supposed to turn faster to compete with ace

They look more ace like at the stem and a little more leaned back but idk
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I need confirmation on this.

nothing has changed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on June 30, 2018, 01:38:45 PM
Rob is so paranoid about trucks that he's starting to see things...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 30, 2018, 03:55:35 PM
Quote from: Sk.A.T.A.N on June 30, 2018, 01:38:45 PM
Rob is so paranoid about trucks that he's starting to see things...

I see truck madness at its peak

But maybe it’s just cause someone previously mentioned going to nhs for the tour and getting the scoop on how they revamped the stage 11 and are working on a new indy low

Idk that’s what I’m getting
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 30, 2018, 06:29:46 PM
Quote from: Willie on June 30, 2018, 07:46:29 AM
Quote from: Xen on June 28, 2018, 02:07:07 PM
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Quote from: FrozenIndustries on June 28, 2018, 01:52:35 PM
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To the people here who have posted about skinnier locknuts for adding more spacers: can I just grip these from home depot or wherever, or is there a specific source?
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HD might have them, you'd just have to look around.

https://www.amazon.com/Hard-Find-Fastener-014973323349-Locknut-Thin/dp/B00L1L5KZ2/ref=asc_df_B00L1L5KZ2/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=168246108927&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=757964247584783109&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031003&hvtargid=pla-310395209009&psc=1



King pins too. https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/37123

http://www.tacomascrew.com/Products/Nylon-Insert-Lock-Nuts/065-007-1_5
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Thanks!
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Be cautious, there is a reason why the industry uses what we use currently (could be cost, could be availability, could be thread/nylon ratio to properly secure the nut.
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I came up totally empty looking for truck hardware (axle, kingpin nuts) at Lowe's. Everything they had was too thick and wouldn't have made proper contact with the nylon inserts.

Everything that I've seen that's considered thin is a specialty part; I can't imagine a thinner kingpin nut not working just as well as the regular
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on June 30, 2018, 07:17:34 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on June 30, 2018, 10:12:49 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on June 30, 2018, 08:44:51 AM
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Quote from: rob on June 30, 2018, 01:48:03 AM
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I was strolling through the shop today and....

Did indy really under the radar modify the stage 11? The hangar looks a bit different

Like they’re supposed to turn faster to compete with ace

They look more ace like at the stem and a little more leaned back but idk
[close]

I need confirmation on this.
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nothing has changed.

10/4 over and out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on July 04, 2018, 08:00:11 AM
Quote from: Xen on June 24, 2018, 09:51:16 PM
Quote from: Jollyoli on June 20, 2018, 06:31:52 AM
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Epiphany: Have a clear out.
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Slapped together some 144 forged indy hollows: riptide cups and 88a Indy aftermarkets (barrel bottoms+stock washer, shaved top+bones washer) to face off against the Theeves...which only feel right with bones softs but after a while, the softs mush out (my old mediums feel like they've turned to stone after a period of no use and felt terrible).


I just put some blood red conical 88s on my 149s. It was 100 degrees and those things were turning. What does barrel do that conical does not? I am injured so I didn’t Ollie just cruised. Is there a balance issue with conical on tricks? I also have aftermarket barrels is 90, but I’m diggin the blood red color.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 04, 2018, 10:56:53 AM
https://shopmonkey.wordpress.com/2018/03/20/hi-kids-im-a-bushing/
(longboarding link but it's applicable)

Basically, conicals will provide a sharper turn, faster. The shape is less supportive around the center of the bushing, therefore providing less resistance when turning.

Barrels provide more stability at the cost of turning ability (compared to conical) and eases wheelbite a bit.

Indy perk up with conicals (probably why everyone thinks bones are the best in them).

I ride pretty loose and the red conicals in indys give me the wobbles just pushing; slightly less with the barrels but the 88a duro still allows me to get a loosey turn going.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on July 04, 2018, 09:21:53 PM
this is worth a look for some of you


https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk0lfSKl2iU/?taken-by=skateboard_chicken
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SK8-CHX on July 05, 2018, 08:28:47 PM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on July 04, 2018, 09:21:53 PM
this is worth a look for some of you


https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk0lfSKl2iU/?taken-by=skateboard_chicken

That guy is clearly a genius. And a ripper. He’s really handsome too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IHOP on July 05, 2018, 09:04:42 PM
wow old indys really do look so much better, and I assume skate better too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 05, 2018, 11:55:57 PM
Quote from: IHOP on July 05, 2018, 09:04:42 PM
wow old indys really do look so much better, and I assume skate better too.

I wish they brought them back for a limited time

The ones that rowley skates cause I really wanna know how good they are
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on July 06, 2018, 02:57:30 AM
something about those lower kingpins and the flushness of the bolt really gets me going
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 06, 2018, 01:43:49 PM
Rowley is on Stage 7's and 8's I think.  Wanna know how they skate? Like a heavier, kinda slower turning version of the current Stage 11.  I had them back in the day when they first came out and always kinda found them to be blah. I guess back then everyone was just riding super tight trucks and not turning, so they weren't the best for that.

On the other hand I just got some ACE 44's, didn't even adjust the kingpin nut outta the box and bam- perfect!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on July 06, 2018, 02:31:08 PM
I bought some Stage 8s at a yard sale recently and wasn't feeling them. They had a conical lower bushing which made them kinda tippy but they didn't turn that great. The kingpin is closer to 90 degrees than any other trucks in my basement so a weak turning angle is unsurprising.


I rode 7s back in the day (probably during my peak gap period) but I was dogshit at flip tricks and when I switched to Ventures and put the 7s on a 2nd board I remember them feeling tank-like.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 07, 2018, 12:54:34 AM
Woah thanks for all your feedback guys

I guess they aren’t worth the curiosity

Can’t wait for those new indy lows though

For now I’m gonna enjoy these titanium 148 lights thanks to the sale gear thread, they are damned light. I thought I only got 1 truck and bam. A pair.

Also went to the usual cousin of zumiez(vans store) to see if they have anything ridiculously on sale and boy was I lucky

Got a set of sun burnt Evan smith conicals 99a f4

They had like 3 sets but all with some variation of I guess sun burn and I just kooked it and got the less burnt looking set

Only $20 for a set of f4 conicals what a deal!

I’m still kinda itching to try a set of destructo d2( the ones that supposedly arto rides) and the cheapest of cheap, some industrials just because doesn’t willy santos ride them and I feel they would be a good middle of venture and Indy

Sorta turns like an indy sorta stable like a venture probably
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 07, 2018, 07:25:37 AM
Quote from: rob on July 07, 2018, 12:54:34 AM
Woah thanks for all your feedback guys

I guess they aren’t worth the curiosity

Can’t wait for those new indy lows though

For now I’m gonna enjoy these titanium 148 lights thanks to the sale gear thread, they are damned light. I thought I only got 1 truck and bam. A pair.

Also went to the usual cousin of zumiez(vans store) to see if they have anything ridiculously on sale and boy was I lucky

Got a set of sun burnt Evan smith conicals 99a f4

They had like 3 sets but all with some variation of I guess sun burn and I just kooked it and got the less burnt looking set

Only $20 for a set of f4 conicals what a deal!

I’m still kinda itching to try a set of destructo d2( the ones that supposedly arto rides) and the cheapest of cheap, some industrials just because doesn’t willy santos ride them and I feel they would be a good middle of venture and Indy

Sorta turns like an indy sorta stable like a venture probably

Arto rides Indys and Willy rides Tristar trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SK8-CHX on July 07, 2018, 10:04:31 AM
Having just gone through that set, I don’t think the stage 8’s skate all that differently than what’s out now. They feel softer when grinding and seem to wear faster but the turn is similar.

The Ace hanger/stage 8 Indy baseplate/Krux kingpin combo is perfection for me. I pretty much only skate transition and curbs though. I do zero flatground/flip tricks. It’s all about the turn and the grind for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on July 07, 2018, 04:16:35 PM
I can’t speak on Stage 8’s but the 7’s are definitely a way better geometry than the current Stage 11’s. Much snappier, not quite as good as the Ace (Stage 3) geometry, but pretty close. They are indeed tanks. Even with some Krux pins, the 146mm Stage 7’s felt nearly as heavy as a set of 159’s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on July 07, 2018, 04:57:19 PM
Had (possibly? Possibly bearings not in wheels all the way, have not checked yet) axle slip on Indys stage 11. Anyone had this on Indys?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 07, 2018, 05:08:13 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 07, 2018, 04:16:35 PM
I can’t speak on Stage 8’s but the 7’s are definitely a way better geometry than the current Stage 11’s. Much snappier, not quite as good as the Ace (Stage 3) geometry, but pretty close. They are indeed tanks. Even with some Krux pins, the 146mm Stage 7’s felt nearly as heavy as a set of 159’s.

It's been a while since I tooled around on a set of 7's but would this have anything to do with conicals coming standard on 7's back in the day? I had some 88d conicals on a set of 11's and thought they turned pretty damn close to the 7's (like you said, snappier, once you get rid of the barrel bushing). The height/turn/stability all felt very similar. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 07, 2018, 05:11:53 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 07, 2018, 07:25:37 AM
Quote from: rob on July 07, 2018, 12:54:34 AM
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Woah thanks for all your feedback guys

I guess they aren’t worth the curiosity

Can’t wait for those new indy lows though

For now I’m gonna enjoy these titanium 148 lights thanks to the sale gear thread, they are damned light. I thought I only got 1 truck and bam. A pair.

Also went to the usual cousin of zumiez(vans store) to see if they have anything ridiculously on sale and boy was I lucky

Got a set of sun burnt Evan smith conicals 99a f4

They had like 3 sets but all with some variation of I guess sun burn and I just kooked it and got the less burnt looking set

Only $20 for a set of f4 conicals what a deal!

I’m still kinda itching to try a set of destructo d2( the ones that supposedly arto rides) and the cheapest of cheap, some industrials just because doesn’t willy santos ride them and I feel they would be a good middle of venture and Indy

Sorta turns like an indy sorta stable like a venture probably
[close]

Arto rides Indys and Willy rides Tristar trucks

Woah what the heck are tristar trucks??

Yeah I noticed arto does ride indys but when he was doing destructo he had those 149 d2 trucks


Quote from: palelight on July 07, 2018, 05:08:13 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 07, 2018, 04:16:35 PM
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I can’t speak on Stage 8’s but the 7’s are definitely a way better geometry than the current Stage 11’s. Much snappier, not quite as good as the Ace (Stage 3) geometry, but pretty close. They are indeed tanks. Even with some Krux pins, the 146mm Stage 7’s felt nearly as heavy as a set of 159’s.
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It's been a while since I tooled around on a set of 7's but would this have anything to do with conicals coming standard on 7's back in the day? I had some 88d conicals on a set of 11's and thought they turned pretty damn close to the 7's (like you said, snappier, once you get rid of the barrel bushing). The height/turn/stability all felt very similar. 

Dang even back then they were that tall?

I thought stage 7 would be like 52/53mm height and be  smoother ace
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 07, 2018, 05:33:59 PM
I'm pretty positive 7 and 8's were 55mm (I could be wrong, worth looking into). I remember when I was a kid (late 90's) that was a reason a bunch of friends rode Ventures and Thunders. 9's and 10's, along with their dogshit turning, were definitely lower. Sort why I never understood the complaint about 11's being too tall, insofar as people wanting Indy's to be "how they used to."

edit: Jenkem article talks about 7's and 8's being 55mm. Could be wrong.
http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2018/05/08/look-cult-independent-trucks/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 07, 2018, 09:49:19 PM
Quote from: rob on July 07, 2018, 05:11:53 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 07, 2018, 07:25:37 AM
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Quote from: rob on July 07, 2018, 12:54:34 AM
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Woah thanks for all your feedback guys

I guess they aren’t worth the curiosity

Can’t wait for those new indy lows though

For now I’m gonna enjoy these titanium 148 lights thanks to the sale gear thread, they are damned light. I thought I only got 1 truck and bam. A pair.

Also went to the usual cousin of zumiez(vans store) to see if they have anything ridiculously on sale and boy was I lucky

Got a set of sun burnt Evan smith conicals 99a f4

They had like 3 sets but all with some variation of I guess sun burn and I just kooked it and got the less burnt looking set

Only $20 for a set of f4 conicals what a deal!

I’m still kinda itching to try a set of destructo d2( the ones that supposedly arto rides) and the cheapest of cheap, some industrials just because doesn’t willy santos ride them and I feel they would be a good middle of venture and Indy

Sorta turns like an indy sorta stable like a venture probably
[close]

Arto rides Indys and Willy rides Tristar trucks
[close]

Woah what the heck are tristar trucks??

Yeah I noticed arto does ride indys but when he was doing destructo he had those 149 d2 trucks


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I can’t speak on Stage 8’s but the 7’s are definitely a way better geometry than the current Stage 11’s. Much snappier, not quite as good as the Ace (Stage 3) geometry, but pretty close. They are indeed tanks. Even with some Krux pins, the 146mm Stage 7’s felt nearly as heavy as a set of 159’s.
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It's been a while since I tooled around on a set of 7's but would this have anything to do with conicals coming standard on 7's back in the day? I had some 88d conicals on a set of 11's and thought they turned pretty damn close to the 7's (like you said, snappier, once you get rid of the barrel bushing). The height/turn/stability all felt very similar. 
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Dang even back then they were that tall?

I thought stage 7 would be like 52/53mm height and be  smoother ace

I know a dude skating them right now and he digs them but he's also a big Willy fan so that could be corrupting his judgement

http://www.selectsk8.com/tristar-trucks/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 08, 2018, 10:12:23 AM
Will Krux kingpins work on Ace with stock bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 08, 2018, 12:27:25 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 07, 2018, 09:49:19 PM
Quote from: rob on July 07, 2018, 05:11:53 PM
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Quote from: BMCsteve on July 07, 2018, 07:25:37 AM
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Quote from: rob on July 07, 2018, 12:54:34 AM
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Woah thanks for all your feedback guys

I guess they aren’t worth the curiosity

Can’t wait for those new indy lows though

For now I’m gonna enjoy these titanium 148 lights thanks to the sale gear thread, they are damned light. I thought I only got 1 truck and bam. A pair.

Also went to the usual cousin of zumiez(vans store) to see if they have anything ridiculously on sale and boy was I lucky

Got a set of sun burnt Evan smith conicals 99a f4

They had like 3 sets but all with some variation of I guess sun burn and I just kooked it and got the less burnt looking set

Only $20 for a set of f4 conicals what a deal!

I’m still kinda itching to try a set of destructo d2( the ones that supposedly arto rides) and the cheapest of cheap, some industrials just because doesn’t willy santos ride them and I feel they would be a good middle of venture and Indy

Sorta turns like an indy sorta stable like a venture probably
[close]

Arto rides Indys and Willy rides Tristar trucks
[close]

Woah what the heck are tristar trucks??

Yeah I noticed arto does ride indys but when he was doing destructo he had those 149 d2 trucks


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Quote from: Diocletian on July 07, 2018, 04:16:35 PM
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I can’t speak on Stage 8’s but the 7’s are definitely a way better geometry than the current Stage 11’s. Much snappier, not quite as good as the Ace (Stage 3) geometry, but pretty close. They are indeed tanks. Even with some Krux pins, the 146mm Stage 7’s felt nearly as heavy as a set of 159’s.
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It's been a while since I tooled around on a set of 7's but would this have anything to do with conicals coming standard on 7's back in the day? I had some 88d conicals on a set of 11's and thought they turned pretty damn close to the 7's (like you said, snappier, once you get rid of the barrel bushing). The height/turn/stability all felt very similar. 
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Dang even back then they were that tall?

I thought stage 7 would be like 52/53mm height and be  smoother ace
[close]

I know a dude skating them right now and he digs them but he's also a big Willy fan so that could be corrupting his judgement

http://www.selectsk8.com/tristar-trucks/

Hey they don’t look too shabby, might try a set when I’m out of this small debt ahaha

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 08, 2018, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 08, 2018, 10:12:23 AM
Will Krux kingpins work on Ace with stock bushings?

Pretty sure this was a slap staple for a minute.....maybe krux bushings too....the stocks should work fine.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on July 08, 2018, 04:28:32 PM
Stage 7’s are definitely only like 53-53.5mm tall.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 08, 2018, 05:28:52 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 08, 2018, 04:28:32 PM
Stage 7’s are definitely only like 53-53.5mm tall.

I stand corrected. Fucking Jenkem.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 08, 2018, 07:30:49 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 08, 2018, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 08, 2018, 10:12:23 AM
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Will Krux kingpins work on Ace with stock bushings?
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Pretty sure this was a slap staple for a minute.....maybe krux bushings too....the stocks should work fine.....

Yes, but don't expect them to be loose; Ace bushings, especially the tops are tall, krux kingpin is short (it was, after all, designed for the downlow model). You can shave down the top bushing if you need them looser.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on July 09, 2018, 01:28:01 AM
 New review on 148`s.
I guess people should read this tread instead ::)

http://www.weartested.com/thunder-trucks-titanium-lights-148/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 09, 2018, 07:35:08 AM
How does the titanium axel affect the grinding?  When this guy says it I question if he actually knows anything about trucks.....if any of you guys say it though.....my wheels start turning. 

Yeah..this thread annahilates the review.....

these are team titaniums no?  OG base...

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on July 09, 2018, 08:02:39 AM
Yea that guy’s an idiot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on July 09, 2018, 11:27:49 AM
Decided to hydro dip some extra Theeve hangars I had lying around, I dig the way they came out.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlBUR5xlu7w/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 09, 2018, 11:33:07 AM
Quote from: ultrabra on July 09, 2018, 01:28:01 AM
New review on 148`s.
I guess people should read this tread instead ::)

http://www.weartested.com/thunder-trucks-titanium-lights-148/

Well, that was a shit review.

"Overall, the trucks were shredded for about 5 months, and the quality of the titanium axle helped increase the lifespan of the truck." no pic showcasing that after 5 months he was grinding said ti axle...

"It is a truck that is a bit higher than most"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FS-OverKOOK on July 09, 2018, 08:58:18 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 09, 2018, 11:33:07 AM
Quote from: ultrabra on July 09, 2018, 01:28:01 AM
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New review on 148`s.
I guess people should read this tread instead ::)

http://www.weartested.com/thunder-trucks-titanium-lights-148/
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Well, that was a shit review.

"Overall, the trucks were shredded for about 5 months, and the quality of the titanium axle helped increase the lifespan of the truck." no pic showcasing that after 5 months he was grinding said ti axle...

"It is a truck that is a bit higher than most"

Maybe I dont know shit but what is going on here? Unless he was grinding 8hrs/day @ 3rd&Army for 5 months the only axle he's seeing is out the side of the wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on July 09, 2018, 10:27:56 PM
So I tried 3 boards today that were all 8.5 with 14.25 WB. Hockey Fitz with 159 Indy TiTs, Colony with 149 TiTs, and red curbs Shop board (clutch) with ace 44s. Indys both had 52 mm wheels and the aces had 53/54s. At first I was convinced the indys were turning much quicker but then I realized it was mostly because they were in my hot car all day. Indy setups definitely made my ollies feel more floaty. But I ended up getting less wheelbite with the aces even tho they had bigger wheels. Slappies were easier on the 159s and 44s. Kickflips were easier on the 44s and 149s. Backside flips felt like they wouldn’t even happen on the 159s. I decided I’ll take the weirder/slower grinds to gain the benefit of more stability and less wheelbite with aces on my 8.5 setups (going back to 52 mm wheels). I will be sticking with 159 TiTs on my bigger setups (currently polar 1991 shape) with 52s for easier slappies and less weight on a bigger board. My madness is over for now, but I’ll be in here everyday regardless.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on July 09, 2018, 11:28:53 PM
 For all you review junkies out there, like me. Here are some actually good ones IMO.
Maybe youve seen them allready, but:

https://styleiscontent.wordpress.com/category/reviews/

This got me to buy another set of Tensors(5,5 lo mag), aah this madness. When i got the package i thought there was only one truck in the box. They are really crazy light.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SneakySecrets on July 10, 2018, 08:59:53 AM
Because of this thread, I just got myself a pair of Ace 44’s.  Haven’t skated them yet but they look cool  8)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on July 10, 2018, 10:23:46 AM
Quote from: SneakySecrets on July 10, 2018, 08:59:53 AM
Because of this thread, I just got myself a pair of Ace 44’s.  Haven’t skated them yet but they look cool  8)

Because of this tread i got myself Ace44 and Thunder 148`s.
Ace are really nice. And i finally got my thunders working.
Stock bushings were just waaaaay too soft.
But i have to say thank you to all of you, perhaps.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 10, 2018, 03:59:29 PM
I also got some Ace 44's recently. Didn't even adjust them and put them on the Polar I was riding and it was instantly perfect. Somehow my manuals/nose manuals improved dramatically and everything felt poppier.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on July 11, 2018, 05:24:54 PM
Pondering putting bones bushings in my thunders. Is this a good combo? What do I need to do / not do ? Washers etc. Just want to try something new
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 11, 2018, 06:05:42 PM
I got the impression the heights were off....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 11, 2018, 07:01:51 PM
Quote from: fang on July 11, 2018, 05:24:54 PM
Pondering putting bones bushings in my thunders. Is this a good combo? What do I need to do / not do ? Washers etc. Just want to try something new

Compared to Thunders the Bones top is too tall and the Bones bottom is too short. Plus the Bones' diameter is a fair bit larger than Thunders. Thunder aftermarkets are where it's at. Plus you could buy two different duro's to fuck around with for the price of one set of Bones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hangontoyourego on July 11, 2018, 08:02:30 PM
Quote from: palelight on July 11, 2018, 07:01:51 PM
Quote from: fang on July 11, 2018, 05:24:54 PM
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Pondering putting bones bushings in my thunders. Is this a good combo? What do I need to do / not do ? Washers etc. Just want to try something new
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Compared to Thunders the Bones top is too tall and the Bones bottom is too short. Plus the Bones' diameter is a fair bit larger than Thunders. Thunder aftermarkets are where it's at. Plus you could buy two different duro's to fuck around with for the price of one set of Bones.

I’m skating thunders with no washers & aftermarket thunder bushings
(http://)(https://s33.postimg.cc/j9v1xb9rv/3085_E64_C-9_FA8-466_E-8143-6_F93_A205_E7_D0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/j9v1xb9rv/)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sad Hippo on July 11, 2018, 08:04:11 PM
Doesn't 144p run bones in his thunders?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 11, 2018, 08:11:43 PM
If it works for ya, keep on rocking. I never had any luck with Bones in Thunders personally, made the turn weird for me. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on July 12, 2018, 07:28:29 AM
Thunder aftermarkets fit the best. I have had bones on my thunders, and they have worked fine. The time they lasted.
I couldn´t get my hands on any harder thunder bushings. So i´m rocking barrelbushing on my set. With an bit thicker bottom washer. Correct´s a bit the height, and might not bend too soon.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on July 12, 2018, 07:43:32 AM
I like Thunders bone stock, I think their bushings are already perfect. Any time I've tried bones in them they blew out pretty quick. If you gotta get a different durometer go for Thunder aftermarket like others have said.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Italianshredder96 on July 12, 2018, 08:20:05 AM
Quote from: fang on July 11, 2018, 05:24:54 PM
Pondering putting bones bushings in my thunders. Is this a good combo? What do I need to do / not do ? Washers etc. Just want to try something new

I loved bones bushings in thunder, untill I tried thunder aftermarket, give em a ahot, they're so so good!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 12, 2018, 08:46:12 AM
Truth....if they marketed them as supercush I'd care more.....but I'd still try em for sure.  But my wheels are turning and I wouldn't put it past me to start snooping around some longboard shit....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MetaldudeX on July 12, 2018, 11:27:26 AM
I haven’t searched this whole thread, so this may be answered, but how well does the krux Downlow kingpin work with Indy’s or thunders?

I’ve seen some pictures online of them in both was wondering if it was difficult getting them in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 12, 2018, 11:40:17 AM
Did we miss this? Thread moves so fast....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAwRiC8QZPQ

TL;DW

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/f_pmtDTmd3S4Mh5WmuJXQhTVqLfkew2lP7tlo1J-M2nKe6DnO8Y9ZIvasOZyzOpP6omFc6Et0SMJ_Irz-i1YtG6T4Z0GMu2nZpaiIBY7r4k_GgUsCXIRhu_YZueGiMWw3dm4cnShYgw=w2400)


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on July 12, 2018, 12:22:13 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 12, 2018, 08:46:12 AM
Truth....if they marketed them as supercush I'd care more.....but I'd still try em for sure.  But my wheels are turning and I wouldn't put it past me to start snooping around some longboard shit....

https://shop.ccs.com/deluxe-supercush-bushings?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIubWVnaOa3AIVxAOGCh0HTw3aEAQYAiABEgJ93vD_BwE
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on July 12, 2018, 12:39:59 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 12, 2018, 11:40:17 AM
Did we miss this? Thread moves so fast....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAwRiC8QZPQ

TL;DW

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/f_pmtDTmd3S4Mh5WmuJXQhTVqLfkew2lP7tlo1J-M2nKe6DnO8Y9ZIvasOZyzOpP6omFc6Et0SMJ_Irz-i1YtG6T4Z0GMu2nZpaiIBY7r4k_GgUsCXIRhu_YZueGiMWw3dm4cnShYgw=w2400)




Goddammit

Good info, but this isn't gonna help quell the madness by any means (https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/snoop.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 12, 2018, 01:37:40 PM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on July 12, 2018, 12:22:13 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 12, 2018, 08:46:12 AM
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Truth....if they marketed them as supercush I'd care more.....but I'd still try em for sure.  But my wheels are turning and I wouldn't put it past me to start snooping around some longboard shit....
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https://shop.ccs.com/deluxe-supercush-bushings?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIubWVnaOa3AIVxAOGCh0HTw3aEAQYAiABEgJ93vD_BwE

They aren't pushing the brand enough....supercush was sick....they need to try harder....

I'm actually enjoying the stock bushings on the teams.  Eventually they'll mush out though.

I think krux works in indys, but likely not w. forged baseplates.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on July 12, 2018, 01:43:12 PM
They should have weighed in grams! This is not precise enough and it's stupid units. Also missing the all titanium Theeve & probably a bunch of others that would be interesting to some.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 12, 2018, 02:16:51 PM
Quote from: Roisto on July 12, 2018, 01:43:12 PM
They should have weighed in grams! This is not precise enough and it's stupid units. Also missing the all titanium Theeve & probably a bunch of others that would be interesting to some.

Guess they just used what they had in stock (No thunder ti or hollow teams either). Gram measurement would have been better seeing as that is the unit most use to (indy/krux/tensor) measure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heritage on July 12, 2018, 03:44:54 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 12, 2018, 08:46:12 AM
Truth....if they marketed them as supercush I'd care more.....but I'd still try em for sure.  But my wheels are turning and I wouldn't put it past me to start snooping around some longboard shit....

JSoy - Not to add to your truck neuroses, but I've been skating Khiro Conical Busings in my Thunders for the past 5 years. Only place I have ever found them though is from Mike Hirsch at SoCal Skateshop. They are the exact same thing as Bones Bushings just have a metal washer attached at top instead of a plastic washer. No need for any additional bushings washers, top or bottom. I love them. I skate the med/soft 90 (red) but I also like loose trucks because I have been known to do slappies and nothing else for 90 minutes straight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on July 12, 2018, 04:00:46 PM
I like having a standard “heavy” truck. I remember when I had thunder titanium lights my board was so feather light everything felt unnatural. Your set-up is supposed to have some decent heft. I don’t know how old pool and vert dudes can catch so much air with 9-10” wide boards and gigantic wheels, trucks, and risers though. To me, that’s when it’s classified as “too heavy”. But 8.25-8.5” popsicles that most of us ride with regular trucks and wheels is not bad. Come on guys...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on July 12, 2018, 04:14:26 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 12, 2018, 04:00:46 PM
I like having a standard “heavy” truck. I remember when I had thunder titanium lights my board was so feather light everything felt unnatural. Your set-up is supposed to have some decent heft. I don’t know how old pool and vert dudes can catch so much air with 9-10” wide boards and gigantic wheels, trucks, and risers though. To me, that’s when it’s classified as “too heavy”. But 8.25-8.5” popsicles that most of us ride with regular trucks and wheels is not bad. Come on guys...

Ehh, I’ve heard this before and I’m not knocking it but personally, I defintely prefer lighter trucks. I do a lot of high ollies/tall grinds and when it comes to those 3 foot plus heights, you want every gram possible. It’s all preference though, I could see how some might not want their board to feel “flimsy”


All that being said, who else in here has tried those new all-terrain Tensors? 🤔
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 12, 2018, 04:22:28 PM
Quote from: heritage on July 12, 2018, 03:44:54 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 12, 2018, 08:46:12 AM
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Truth....if they marketed them as supercush I'd care more.....but I'd still try em for sure.  But my wheels are turning and I wouldn't put it past me to start snooping around some longboard shit....
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JSoy - Not to add to your truck neuroses, but I've been skating Khiro Conical Busings in my Thunders for the past 5 years. Only place I have ever found them though is from Mike Hirsch at SoCal Skateshop. They are the exact same thing as Bones Bushings just have a metal washer attached at top instead of a plastic washer. No need for any additional bushings washers, top or bottom. I love them. I skate the med/soft 90 (red) but I also like loose trucks because I have been known to do slappies and nothing else for 90 minutes straight.

Last I heard Khiro is a bust, last bit of stock out there is it...could be bad info tho.

Quote from: Diocletian on July 12, 2018, 04:00:46 PM
I like having a standard “heavy” truck. I remember when I had thunder titanium lights my board was so feather light everything felt unnatural. Your set-up is supposed to have some decent heft. I don’t know how old pool and vert dudes can catch so much air with 9-10” wide boards and gigantic wheels, trucks, and risers though. To me, that’s when it’s classified as “too heavy”. But 8.25-8.5” popsicles that most of us ride with regular trucks and wheels is not bad. Come on guys...

Speed!

Quote from: DaSk8D00D on July 12, 2018, 04:14:26 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 12, 2018, 04:00:46 PM
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I like having a standard “heavy” truck. I remember when I had thunder titanium lights my board was so feather light everything felt unnatural. Your set-up is supposed to have some decent heft. I don’t know how old pool and vert dudes can catch so much air with 9-10” wide boards and gigantic wheels, trucks, and risers though. To me, that’s when it’s classified as “too heavy”. But 8.25-8.5” popsicles that most of us ride with regular trucks and wheels is not bad. Come on guys...
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Ehh, I’ve heard this before and I’m not knocking it but personally, I defintely prefer lighter trucks. I do a lot of high ollies/tall grinds and when it comes to those 3 foot plus heights, you want every gram possible. It’s all preference though, I could see how some might not want their board to feel “flimsy”


All that being said, who else in here has tried those new all-terrain Tensors?

I've preferred a lighter setup since I started skating, back then shit was seriously heavy (8" trucks weren't even a thing yet;), as I can feel the difference with ollies. Much of this has to do with riding 8.25" - 8.38" with a bigger board (more wood) I prefer to trim weight where I can. That said, my cutoff is with full hollows, after much back and forth with Ti models don't seem worth the money (exception being indies).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 12, 2018, 06:12:35 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 12, 2018, 01:37:40 PM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on July 12, 2018, 12:22:13 PM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on July 12, 2018, 08:46:12 AM
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Truth....if they marketed them as supercush I'd care more.....but I'd still try em for sure.  But my wheels are turning and I wouldn't put it past me to start snooping around some longboard shit....
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https://shop.ccs.com/deluxe-supercush-bushings?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIubWVnaOa3AIVxAOGCh0HTw3aEAQYAiABEgJ93vD_BwE
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They aren't pushing the brand enough....supercush was sick....they need to try harder....

I'm actually enjoying the stock bushings on the teams.  Eventually they'll mush out though.

I think krux works in indys, but likely not w. forged baseplates.....

(http://skately.com/img/library/print/large/supercush-bushings-superpivot-1988.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Smartass on July 13, 2018, 06:42:29 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on July 12, 2018, 04:14:26 PM

All that being said, who else in here has tried those new all-terrain Tensors? 🤔

I've been skating those new Tensor Mags for the last month or so, and they're surprisingly good imo. I mean it took Tensor fucking long enough, but they actually turn without have to swap bushings. That being said I wouldn't recommend them for tranny, as they still don't turn as good as Indys.
Still has that hollow sound but not nearly as bad as the regulars. Also stupid light, which is nice but it's not for everyone.

The biggest draw to these are that they fucking grind smooth. Honestly, a little too smooth, as I have slipped out with these more than any other truck. On metal it slick as fuck, so be careful when hitting metal with speed. Crusty painted curbs on the other hand are fucking great without wax. They feel like someone waxed it just the right amount.

They fixed how fast they wear down. They still wear down quick, but not nearly as fast as the regular Magnesiums. Probably changed the formula up to make em more durable.

Overall I like them, not as bad as they used to be, and worth a try if you're curious.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on July 13, 2018, 08:55:25 AM
Tried the Ace mag plates with Theeve TiH hangars and Krux bushings and kingpin and riptide bushings- really nice if you need to get them loosey-goosey but I still prefer the snappy turn of bones mediums.

Also, the rumors about the titanium hangars being sticky on metal and slick on everything else is true. Theeve should do some magnesium shit next.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 13, 2018, 09:31:58 AM
I found on granite they were a bit sticky.....waxed concrete they were great....

Gonna put it out there....anyone interested in the 8.5 tih's?  I'll sell my set. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on July 13, 2018, 12:33:54 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 13, 2018, 09:31:58 AM
I found on granite they were a bit sticky.....waxed concrete they were great....

Gonna put it out there....anyone interested in the 8.5 tih's?  I'll sell my set.

how much shipped to ca
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: KingKook on July 14, 2018, 08:24:26 AM
Is Indy making suspension trucks, or just suspension trucks stickers?(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/710lDrQukvL._AC_SL1500_.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ungzilla on July 14, 2018, 08:29:16 AM
that's the sticker they send you in your box when everyone finds out you've got a thing for swastikas and they need to stop paying you for a minute
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: KingKook on July 14, 2018, 08:31:46 AM
Quote from: ungzilla on July 14, 2018, 08:29:16 AM
that's the sticker they send you in your box when everyone finds out you've got a thing for swastikas and they need to stop paying you for a minute
Hahaha so this must be the new Jason Jesee sticker. 

Just wanted to see some pics if there was a new truck coming out. Ive seen the other suspension trucks and am mildly interested in what Indy would do with the idea.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hangontoyourego on July 14, 2018, 09:34:44 AM
(https://s33.postimg.cc/cdv8x6eaj/1_BA17_B55-_CA3_B-4631-_BB9_F-17566_A4073_C3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/cdv8x6eaj/) (https://s33.postimg.cc/eifly7arf/6_B5_E813_C-_E51_D-4998-_A2_E8-3_A62_A8_DB42_CB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/eifly7arf/)

Gonna try some doh dohs that my friend gave me . Not sure what’s stage Indy this is with the hollow truck but I dig em . Feel lame form going from Indy to thunder back to Indy cause I got an 8.25 deck and I don’t have smaller thunders . Oh well
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weartested Reviews on July 15, 2018, 12:22:07 AM
We did a new Thunder Trucks checkout/review

http://www.weartested.com/thunder-trucks-titanium-lights-148/

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk-mka3FotV/?taken-by=weartested

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on July 15, 2018, 12:55:50 AM
Quote from: Weartested Reviews on July 15, 2018, 12:22:07 AM
We did a new Thunder Trucks checkout/review

http://www.weartested.com/thunder-trucks-titanium-lights-148/

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk-mka3FotV/?taken-by=weartested

"The truck’s axel is made out of titanium, which makes it a bit harder to wear down through grinds, compared to trucks made out of steel alloys."

??????
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on July 15, 2018, 03:12:26 PM
I tried Theeve and in my opinion they are most similar to Venture.  The most noticeable characteristic was the way they turn to a point and then stop.  A pro of that is that it can limit wheel bite, but it mostly sucks.  It feels awful when you need to turn more and nothing comes.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on July 15, 2018, 05:30:28 PM
Doesn't Theeve shorten your wheelbase significantly (like Ace) while Venture stretches it (like Thunder)?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on July 15, 2018, 05:40:19 PM
Quote from: full of jerks on July 15, 2018, 03:12:26 PM
I tried Theeve and in my opinion they are most similar to Venture.  The most noticeable characteristic was the way they turn to a point and then stop.  A pro of that is that it can limit wheel bite, but it mostly sucks.  It feels awful when you need to turn more and nothing comes.



Loosen em up a bit. In my experience the oval yoke can handle them being more loose than what you'd typically skate while still preventing wheelbite. I ride theeves looser than anything else and they're amongst my favorites. They do kind of feel like ventures in some aspects though, although for me its more how the hanger seems to lock in. There is definitely a wheelbase difference tho (Theeves shorten, ventures widen)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on July 15, 2018, 05:46:08 PM
I'm also back on my Thunder 149 Ti's w/ cast baseplate and krux kingpin. I'd been busy with work and we've had weird weather the last few weeks so I wasn't skating as regularly and was getting rusty. I had some flip trick trouble with my beloved ventures so I switched back to my thunders and they came back instantly. Let's hope I can stick with these for a while but let's be honest, I'll probably flip flop to something else after a couple off days in a row
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on July 16, 2018, 02:03:47 AM
Quote from: KingKook on July 14, 2018, 08:24:26 AM
Is Indy making suspension trucks, or just suspension trucks stickers?(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/710lDrQukvL._AC_SL1500_.jpg)

Isn't this pretty much as old as Independent trucks? I remember seeing that in some old ass ads or something wondering WTF they mean with the suspension thing. I figured they just don't know what they're talking about, which wouldn't surprise me one bit TBH.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on July 16, 2018, 05:26:15 AM
Quote from: Roisto on July 16, 2018, 02:03:47 AM
Quote from: KingKook on July 14, 2018, 08:24:26 AM
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Is Indy making suspension trucks, or just suspension trucks stickers?(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/710lDrQukvL._AC_SL1500_.jpg)
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Isn't this pretty much as old as Independent trucks? I remember seeing that in some old ass ads or something wondering WTF they mean with the suspension thing. I figured they just don't know what they're talking about, which wouldn't surprise me one bit TBH.
Yep, OG indy cross logo. They dropped the word suspension later.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on July 16, 2018, 05:49:41 AM
Is it to do with the "suspension of disbelief" that the logo is not stolen third reich iconography?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on July 16, 2018, 08:16:50 AM
Quote from: full of jerks on July 15, 2018, 03:12:26 PM
It feels awful when you need to turn more and nothing comes.
Having ridden Theeves for the last 5 years, I have no idea what you mean by this unless you have your trucks so tight that you can't physically put enough pressure to get them to wheelbite. If I dip in to a carve on theeves, I turn sharper than I can even lean, to the point where my wheels start to slide...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 16, 2018, 08:34:05 AM
I skated theeves a bunch and they felt to me like they turned shaper than an Indy.....I put them between an Indy and an Ace....not in the thunder/venture class....


Quote from: DaSk8D00D on July 15, 2018, 05:46:08 PM
I'm also back on my Thunder 149 Ti's w/ cast baseplate and krux kingpin. I'd been busy with work and we've had weird weather the last few weeks so I wasn't skating as regularly and was getting rusty. I had some flip trick trouble with my beloved ventures so I switched back to my thunders and they came back instantly. Let's hope I can stick with these for a while but let's be honest, I'll probably flip flop to something else after a couple off days in a row

I'll eventually build up to the thunder 148 titanium w. Krux but I'm just enjoying the team hollow stock set up right now....when the bushings get to mushy the madness will begin. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 16, 2018, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: Firebert on July 16, 2018, 08:16:50 AM
Quote from: full of jerks on July 15, 2018, 03:12:26 PM
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It feels awful when you need to turn more and nothing comes.
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Having ridden Theeves for the last 5 years, I have no idea what you mean by this unless you have your trucks so tight that you can't physically put enough pressure to get them to wheelbite. If I dip in to a carve on theeves, I turn sharper than I can even lean, to the point where my wheels start to slide...

Never had that problem with Theeves either but then again, I ride loose with soft bushings.


Quote from: j....soy..... on July 16, 2018, 08:34:05 AM
I skated theeves a bunch and they felt to me like they turned shaper than an Indy.....I put them between an Indy and an Ace....not in the thunder/venture class....

Exactly. They're also way more stable on center than either, almost like a Thunder.


Quote from: DaSk8D00D on July 15, 2018, 05:46:08 PM
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I'm also back on my Thunder 149 Ti's w/ cast baseplate and krux kingpin. I'd been busy with work and we've had weird weather the last few weeks so I wasn't skating as regularly and was getting rusty. I had some flip trick trouble with my beloved ventures so I switched back to my thunders and they came back instantly. Let's hope I can stick with these for a while but let's be honest, I'll probably flip flop to something else after a couple off days in a row
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I'll eventually build up to the thunder 148 titanium w. Krux but I'm just enjoying the team hollow stock set up right now....when the bushings get to mushy the madness will begin.

I fucked around with my Team Hollows and had a blast, arguably due to the height I think. But the extended WB on a longer WB deck muddled things a bit compared to Theeves on the same WB.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 16, 2018, 10:26:34 PM
I love how light the 148 titanium’s are

They are damned light
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pugmaster on July 19, 2018, 02:14:08 PM
Quote from: Jollyoli on June 13, 2018, 01:17:57 AM
I run this on thunders, if you are likely to want to tinker use JB weld or epoxy resin.
I had an educated guess at tightness (bolt flush) and used a stubby flathead to hold the nut whilst tightening.

Did you have a vice or something? I tried using a regular screwdriver and it was a pain in the ass.  Then I got JB weld and it still didn't work (when I torqued it, the JB weld just busted).  I bought a stubby flathead and it is super awkward to hold it in place and turn the kingpin.  Is there a specific place you held the screwdriver or special technique?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on July 19, 2018, 02:53:41 PM
Quote from: pugmaster on July 19, 2018, 02:14:08 PM
Is there a ... special technique?
I use super glue for mine - strongest formula - liquid first, then the gel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pugmaster on July 19, 2018, 04:53:26 PM
Awesome, thanks.  Do you apply it to the underside of the nut for the liquid part, then fill in the space around the sides with the gel? 

How long did you give it to set Firebert?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on July 20, 2018, 08:16:43 AM
Quote from: pugmaster on July 19, 2018, 04:53:26 PM
Awesome, thanks.  Do you apply it to the underside of the nut for the liquid part, then fill in the space around the sides with the gel? 

How long did you give it to set Firebert?

I put some on the sides of the nut, using the old kingpin to pull the nut down into place, if the nut doesn't touch anything on the sides, just smear some on the bottom and make sure it holds still while you take the pin out (you don't want to leave it in and accidentally get it stuck- I've done that) -and like you said, then fill in the space around the sides with the gel.

I leave it for 24hrs to be safe. Gel takes a lot longer.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pugmaster on July 23, 2018, 05:06:19 PM
Quote from: Firebert on July 20, 2018, 08:16:43 AM
Quote from: pugmaster on July 19, 2018, 04:53:26 PM
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Awesome, thanks.  Do you apply it to the underside of the nut for the liquid part, then fill in the space around the sides with the gel? 

How long did you give it to set Firebert?
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I put some on the sides of the nut, using the old kingpin to pull the nut down into place, if the nut doesn't touch anything on the sides, just smear some on the bottom and make sure it holds still while you take the pin out (you don't want to leave it in and accidentally get it stuck- I've done that) -and like you said, then fill in the space around the sides with the gel.

I leave it for 24hrs to be safe. Gel takes a lot longer.

I've tried every option available and accept the fact that this set of 149's will forever be ultra loose.  Fortunately I have the nut on (a little bit under being flush).  Ceste la vie 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 23, 2018, 06:08:02 PM
Quote from: pugmaster on July 19, 2018, 04:53:26 PM
Awesome, thanks.  Do you apply it to the underside of the nut for the liquid part, then fill in the space around the sides with the gel? 

How long did you give it to set Firebert?

I tend to use JB Weld's steelstick or something similar, let it sit for an hour then go skating, it's never failed with that curing time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: kentrock on July 24, 2018, 10:36:29 AM
Quote from: Jollyoli on July 16, 2018, 05:49:41 AM
Is it to do with the "suspension of disbelief" that the logo is not stolen third reich iconography?

Indy has always been a blatant racist company giving better sponsorship deals to whites than minorities once they began giving sponsorships to non-whites.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: blo0mz on July 24, 2018, 02:14:54 PM
I suck and my style is probably garbage because I always found it easier with a tighter truck... I have Indy's (whatever the 8.25" is) and I hate them, I find them too heavy and I cannot get them stable at all, I tried both the stock bushings and whatever the black and yellows bones bushings are, all different setups with the washers and stuff, etc.

I was wondering if there is a lighter, LOW truck out there these days that's any good? I was thinking maybe Venture lows with a harder (95-96du) bushing? Or maybe just a lighter truck overall doesn't have to be low.

I know I sound like a dummy but I haven't skated since I was like 17-18 and I'm almost 30, trying to get back into it. Thanks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on July 24, 2018, 02:19:53 PM
Quote from: blo0mz on July 24, 2018, 02:14:54 PM
I suck and my style is probably garbage because I always found it easier with a tighter truck... I have Indy's (whatever the 8.25" is) and I hate them, I find them too heavy and I cannot get them stable at all, I tried both the stock bushings and whatever the black and yellows bones bushings are, all different setups with the washers and stuff, etc.

I was wondering if there is a lighter, LOW truck out there these days that's any good? I was thinking maybe Venture lows with a harder (95-96du) bushing? Or maybe just a lighter truck overall doesn't have to be low.

I know I sound like a dummy but I haven't skated since I was like 17-18 and I'm almost 30, trying to get back into it. Thanks

thunder hollows with a forged baseplate. Lighter and lower
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: kentrock on July 24, 2018, 02:50:00 PM
Quote from: blo0mz on July 24, 2018, 02:14:54 PM
I suck and my style is probably garbage because I always found it easier with a tighter truck... I have Indy's (whatever the 8.25" is) and I hate them, I find them too heavy and I cannot get them stable at all, I tried both the stock bushings and whatever the black and yellows bones bushings are, all different setups with the washers and stuff, etc.

I was wondering if there is a lighter, LOW truck out there these days that's any good? I was thinking maybe Venture lows with a harder (95-96du) bushing? Or maybe just a lighter truck overall doesn't have to be low.

I know I sound like a dummy but I haven't skated since I was like 17-18 and I'm almost 30, trying to get back into it. Thanks

Independents are the highest and heaviest truck you can get, besides being nazi fashists.  you would be better off with almost anything else.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 24, 2018, 04:48:44 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on July 24, 2018, 02:19:53 PM
Quote from: blo0mz on July 24, 2018, 02:14:54 PM
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I suck and my style is probably garbage because I always found it easier with a tighter truck... I have Indy's (whatever the 8.25" is) and I hate them, I find them too heavy and I cannot get them stable at all, I tried both the stock bushings and whatever the black and yellows bones bushings are, all different setups with the washers and stuff, etc.

I was wondering if there is a lighter, LOW truck out there these days that's any good? I was thinking maybe Venture lows with a harder (95-96du) bushing? Or maybe just a lighter truck overall doesn't have to be low.

I know I sound like a dummy but I haven't skated since I was like 17-18 and I'm almost 30, trying to get back into it. Thanks
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thunder hollows with a forged baseplate. Lighter and lower

Thunders or Ventures are your best bet. Light, low/stable and can be ridden tight without defeating the trucks defining feature (people riding tight Indys for example).

"I run hard bushings and ride pretty tight, I love how indys turn."  ::)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 25, 2018, 12:32:31 AM
Quote from: blo0mz on July 24, 2018, 02:14:54 PM
I suck and my style is probably garbage because I always found it easier with a tighter truck... I have Indy's (whatever the 8.25" is) and I hate them, I find them too heavy and I cannot get them stable at all, I tried both the stock bushings and whatever the black and yellows bones bushings are, all different setups with the washers and stuff, etc.

I was wondering if there is a lighter, LOW truck out there these days that's any good? I was thinking maybe Venture lows with a harder (95-96du) bushing? Or maybe just a lighter truck overall doesn't have to be low.

I know I sound like a dummy but I haven't skated since I was like 17-18 and I'm almost 30, trying to get back into it. Thanks

Only 2 top choices for light and low

Thunder and mini logo

The only 2 trucks I have on either or of my 2 setups

I use the mini logo trucks for my bad shaped decks(girl, flip, flat nothing special boards)

And thunders on my good decks(real, Krooked, pizza, 5boro, something with actual shape and definition)

Sometimes I’ll run indy or ace for fun shortly on a good deck with a long wheelbase cause those trucks kinda shorten or keep the wheelbase true to measurement rather than push out the feeling like thunder and venture, but I tend to go back to my top 2 cause the height gets to me and I miss the low to the ground board feel with lower trucks

All this low truck talk has me so excited for the new indy lows

I don’t like that they are a racist brand but hey they make a decently okay to good product so idk...I’ll just have the set of trucks and that’ll be all

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: blo0mz on July 25, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
Thunder 147, 148, or 149 for an 8.0 x 31.45 deck?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 25, 2018, 09:49:51 AM
Quote from: blo0mz on July 25, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
Thunder 147, 148, or 149 for an 8.0 x 31.45 deck?

147 = 8.0

Plan on going slightly bigger in the future?

148 = 8.25
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: blo0mz on July 25, 2018, 10:19:10 AM
Quote from: Xen on July 25, 2018, 09:49:51 AM
Quote from: blo0mz on July 25, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
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Thunder 147, 148, or 149 for an 8.0 x 31.45 deck?
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147 = 8.0

Plan on going slightly bigger in the future?

148 = 8.25

yeah I just remember a poster by the name of heritage stating that he used 149s for anywhere from 8" to 8.38". wondering if there are any downsides to going with 148s on an 8" instead of 147s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on July 25, 2018, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: blo0mz on July 25, 2018, 10:19:10 AM
Quote from: Xen on July 25, 2018, 09:49:51 AM
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Thunder 147, 148, or 149 for an 8.0 x 31.45 deck?
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147 = 8.0

Plan on going slightly bigger in the future?

148 = 8.25
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yeah I just remember a poster by the name of heritage stating that he used 149s for anywhere from 8" to 8.38". wondering if there are any downsides to going with 148s on an 8" instead of 147s.

Depends on who you ask. Personally I like my axles flush or slightly more narrow than my deck (147 on 8 or 8.125 in my case) but some people are cool with their axles being a little wider or even a lot wider than their deck. It messes with me though. I feel like my board wont flip right and the axles will take a beating causing axle slip. If I see too much axle or wheel when I'm standing on my board it's a no go.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gipper on July 25, 2018, 11:09:23 AM
Quote from: baustin on July 25, 2018, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: blo0mz on July 25, 2018, 10:19:10 AM
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Quote from: Xen on July 25, 2018, 09:49:51 AM
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Thunder 147, 148, or 149 for an 8.0 x 31.45 deck?
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147 = 8.0

Plan on going slightly bigger in the future?

148 = 8.25
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yeah I just remember a poster by the name of heritage stating that he used 149s for anywhere from 8" to 8.38". wondering if there are any downsides to going with 148s on an 8" instead of 147s.
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Depends on who you ask. Personally I like my axles flush or slightly more narrow than my deck (147 on 8 or 8.125 in my case) but some people are cool with their axles being a little wider or even a lot wider than their deck. It messes with me though. I feel like my board wont flip right and the axles will take a beating causing axle slip. If I see too much axle or wheel when I'm standing on my board it's a no go.
To each his own and all that, but I will strongly advise you against putting 149s on an 8" board. Whoever said that is obviously bonkers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Rocko on July 25, 2018, 08:35:05 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlqqQA9AY8j/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1o8cmcij3qzm6

Sort of related? anyone know what this is about?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 25, 2018, 08:39:15 PM
Quote from: Rocko  on July 25, 2018, 08:35:05 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlqqQA9AY8j/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1o8cmcij3qzm6

Sort of related? anyone know what this is about?

Longboarding...indy getting in the game...I wonder how the dirhardzwillfeel...no bro,fucking longboarders gonna where are iron cross shirts WTF.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: max power on July 25, 2018, 08:47:19 PM
Needs a Krux kingpin, that shit is gonna hang up on grinds.  8)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 26, 2018, 12:05:03 AM
Quote from: blo0mz on July 25, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
Thunder 147, 148, or 149 for an 8.0 x 31.45 deck?

Personally it’s like this for me

If you want satisfying stability and control with some pop and flip go with the 148 for anything 8-8.3 ish(that’s what I’m riding now)

But if you like a little edgy ness and being lower with I guess a faster response to pop and flip the 147 are always a good choice,

I ride 8-8.3 max and I like being safer but still a lot of flipability on the 148

I had 147 on and it was nice cause it’s lighter and lower but it felt a little unstable, like having them medium or loose and pushing too hard/fast gives a slight speed wobble and since they’re lower there was a chance of wheel bite

But that’s just me, Frank gerwer rides 147 on an 8.2 And he’s bombing hills and shredding the streets

In conclusion, if you want more control, flip, and fast pop = 147

Stable and safe but still some pop and flip = 148
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on July 26, 2018, 02:25:04 AM
They make Krux in 9.0 now
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: blo0mz on July 26, 2018, 09:24:57 AM
Quote from: rob on July 26, 2018, 12:05:03 AM
Quote from: blo0mz on July 25, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
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Thunder 147, 148, or 149 for an 8.0 x 31.45 deck?
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Personally it’s like this for me

If you want satisfying stability and control with some pop and flip go with the 148 for anything 8-8.3 ish(that’s what I’m riding now)

But if you like a little edgy ness and being lower with I guess a faster response to pop and flip the 147 are always a good choice,

I ride 8-8.3 max and I like being safer but still a lot of flipability on the 148

I had 147 on and it was nice cause it’s lighter and lower but it felt a little unstable, like having them medium or loose and pushing too hard/fast gives a slight speed wobble and since they’re lower there was a chance of wheel bite

But that’s just me, Frank gerwer rides 147 on an 8.2 And he’s bombing hills and shredding the streets

In conclusion, if you want more control, flip, and fast pop = 147

Stable and safe but still some pop and flip = 148

I went with a Numbers Edition 8.0 with Thunder 148 Hollow Lights. Thanks bruh I hope it works out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheVisitor on July 26, 2018, 10:15:09 AM
What after market bushings fit Thunder Hi without fucking up the geometry? Bones with no bottom washer, Doh-dohs, Krux?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on July 26, 2018, 10:54:23 AM
Quote from: TheVisitor on July 26, 2018, 10:15:09 AM
What after market bushings fit Thunder Hi without fucking up the geometry? Bones with no bottom washer, Doh-dohs, Krux?

Thanks.

Thunder's own aftermarket bushings are great
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on July 26, 2018, 11:29:34 AM
Quote from: full of jerks on July 26, 2018, 02:25:04 AM
They make Krux in 9.0 now
theyve made 9's for a while, they used to be called "the man sized"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: blo0mz on July 27, 2018, 01:22:08 PM
Quote from: baustin on July 26, 2018, 10:54:23 AM
Quote from: TheVisitor on July 26, 2018, 10:15:09 AM
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What after market bushings fit Thunder Hi without fucking up the geometry? Bones with no bottom washer, Doh-dohs, Krux?

Thanks.
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Thunder's own aftermarket bushings are great

I ordered the 94du blue ones, how hard do you like bb?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on July 27, 2018, 05:09:23 PM
Quote from: baustin on July 26, 2018, 10:54:23 AM
Quote from: TheVisitor on July 26, 2018, 10:15:09 AM
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What after market bushings fit Thunder Hi without fucking up the geometry? Bones with no bottom washer, Doh-dohs, Krux?

Thanks.
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Thunder's own aftermarket bushings are great

Yeah I wouldn't try anything other than the Thunder ones. I'm using the 97d "Heavy" ones for less wheelbite with the same turn.

 I've seen Wade Desarmo and a few others run bones in thunders but it makes the hanger sit at a different angle. I feel like some trucks like Ventures & Indy are more mod-friendly in terms of bushing shapes and types but Thunders are more tuned to work specifically with their bushings. Anything else just makes them feel "off" compared to their usual turn
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on July 28, 2018, 01:52:55 AM
So I had success with the Krux pin when I had my old Indy Stage 7’s but other than that seems like nearly all modern trucks require epoxy around the nut. Didn’t someone say Thunders actually work fine without epoxy, no worries, no nut jiggling loose out from the baseplate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on July 28, 2018, 10:34:54 AM
yeah you dont need epoxy with the cast thunder plates. I was just running that setup not too long ago. Make sure they're not too loose tho because I have had my hanger detach from the baseplate mid flip trick before
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on July 29, 2018, 10:15:15 PM
so i notice my trucks feel weird and i think its the pivot cups, the metal part of the truck that rests in them wiggles.

what replacement cups do i get that are good and fit thunder 148
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on July 30, 2018, 05:54:36 AM
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=59178
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 30, 2018, 10:29:09 AM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on July 29, 2018, 10:15:15 PM
so i notice my trucks feel weird and i think its the pivot cups, the metal part of the truck that rests in them wiggles.

what replacement cups do i get that are good and fit thunder 148

Shorty's cups will also work, they have the same depth.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 30, 2018, 09:46:34 PM
Haha you guys will never guess what I just copped

And it’s such a crazy discovery of rehashing or rebranding that stuns me the most with this purchase

Also I think destructo and silver are gonna shut down soon

Destructos website dropped the prices of their stuff a few dollars and skate warehouse doesn’t carry their stuff and hasn’t restocked any silver trucks either

Silver I can understand, destructos I never tried but hey maybe they’re doing better over seas

I stay true to my statement though, silvers has to be some of the worse trucks, talk about rock hard bushings that never broke in and terrible customer service.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: The Dope on July 31, 2018, 03:15:48 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on July 27, 2018, 05:09:23 PM
Quote from: baustin on July 26, 2018, 10:54:23 AM
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What after market bushings fit Thunder Hi without fucking up the geometry? Bones with no bottom washer, Doh-dohs, Krux?

Thanks.
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Thunder's own aftermarket bushings are great
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Yeah I wouldn't try anything other than the Thunder ones. I'm using the 97d "Heavy" ones for less wheelbite with the same turn.

 I've seen Wade Desarmo and a few others run bones in thunders but it makes the hanger sit at a different angle. I feel like some trucks like Ventures & Indy are more mod-friendly in terms of bushing shapes and types but Thunders are more tuned to work specifically with their bushings. Anything else just makes them feel "off" compared to their usual turn


I've been using the bones hard conical bushings in the 148 thunder hollows, have the nut juuuust flush on top of the kingpin and they are pretty fuckin fun. Surfy yet controlled, more like a snowboard than a surfboard feel, which works great for me personally. I should experiment some thunder bushings again just to see wussup tho
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheVisitor on July 31, 2018, 03:50:52 PM
Quote from: blo0mz on July 24, 2018, 02:14:54 PM
I suck and my style is probably garbage because I always found it easier with a tighter truck... I have Indy's (whatever the 8.25" is) and I hate them, I find them too heavy and I cannot get them stable at all, I tried both the stock bushings and whatever the black and yellows bones bushings are, all different setups with the washers and stuff, etc.

I was wondering if there is a lighter, LOW truck out there these days that's any good? I was thinking maybe Venture lows with a harder (95-96du) bushing? Or maybe just a lighter truck overall doesn't have to be low.

I know I sound like a dummy but I haven't skated since I was like 17-18 and I'm almost 30, trying to get back into it. Thanks

I'll trade you my Thunder Titanium Lights for you Indy 144's.  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on July 31, 2018, 04:13:46 PM
Quote from: rob on July 30, 2018, 09:46:34 PM
Haha you guys will never guess what I just copped

And it’s such a crazy discovery of rehashing or rebranding that stuns me the most with this purchase

Also I think destructo and silver are gonna shut down soon

Destructos website dropped the prices of their stuff a few dollars and skate warehouse doesn’t carry their stuff and hasn’t restocked any silver trucks either

Silver I can understand, destructos I never tried but hey maybe they’re doing better over seas

I stay true to my statement though, silvers has to be some of the worse trucks, talk about rock hard bushings that never broke in and terrible customer service.

Tried destructo in the Reese high Ollie challenge era. If I remember right they were okay but the holes on the baseplates widened quickly, much like Royal at the time. Keep in mind this was like 1999. Definitely thought they were better than Royal quality though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on July 31, 2018, 06:47:20 PM
I think silver is just going to bow out of the US market. A lot of brands still survive overseas. That Japanese girl who won games rides for em. Their Brazil instagram has more than double the followers than the US.

Destructo trucks website looks the same to me. The hollow kingpin trucks where just released last year & they just released a wider truck last week.

(https://i.imgur.com/k03EdH9m.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 31, 2018, 11:10:16 PM
Anything doing with crail trucks these days?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jared on July 31, 2018, 11:52:25 PM
Just got some of the “new” Ventures because I missed the way they feel. What are good bushings that have a responsive yet hard turn that work?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on August 01, 2018, 06:44:22 AM
Quote from: Jared on July 31, 2018, 11:52:25 PM
Just got some of the “new” Ventures because I missed the way they feel. What are good bushings that have a responsive yet hard turn that work?

Green Supercush
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 01, 2018, 06:56:11 AM
Seconded Supercrush, though I am running the purple (I believe 97a) in my v-light 5.8s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on August 01, 2018, 07:46:01 AM
Degros does it again with another thorough review.

Now we just need a mini logo review to settle it once and for all... IF HE HAS THE GUTS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mru-9AdjIkU
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jared on August 01, 2018, 08:51:35 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on August 01, 2018, 06:56:11 AM
Seconded Supercrush, though I am running the purple (I believe 97a) in my v-light 5.8s.
Does it change the geometry at all?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 01, 2018, 09:15:07 AM
Nope. Pretty sure since venture went to Deluxe they are using supercush (or at least the shape) as the standard in there, but the red ones that came stock were just too soft.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cynical cow on August 01, 2018, 02:19:45 PM
I just switched to Ace from Indy after 12 years of strictly Indy. I loveeee them. I got the 33s but I'm thinking I should have got the 44s because I'm liking 8.12 to 8.25 boards a lot more than my usual 8.0s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheVisitor on August 02, 2018, 12:13:28 AM
Want to trade Thunder Titanmiums 147 or 149 for Ace 44's. Preferably for the most recent Ace redesign. I have both Forged and Cast hollow kingpin baseplates availabe for the Thunders. Will also consider Hollow Indy 144/149.

My Thunders are skated but have plenty of life left. No blown out bushings or pivot cups, plenty of meat left on the axles.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 02, 2018, 01:00:08 AM
Quote from: franquietits on August 01, 2018, 07:46:01 AM
Degros does it again with another thorough review.

Now we just need a mini logo review to settle it once and for all... IF HE HAS THE GUTS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mru-9AdjIkU

Haha if he responds to this thread to me I’ll send him my second set to try!!

Also I recently got some tensor alloys(yes the cheap ones) which are basically dwindles generic stock trucks they put on their completes and so far from what I’m feeling

They feel like what I think the old indys that everyone on here rants about being the best stage indys feels like, I feel these trucks are what the indy stage 7 were like

They have a somewhat similar look generally and I think height

They’re about 53ish mm give or take and they they are like a more responsive indy to me

The aluminum does feel cheap but so far I like them just cause I think they’re cool
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on August 02, 2018, 08:19:37 AM
Quote from: franquietits on August 01, 2018, 07:46:01 AM
Degros does it again with another thorough review.

Now we just need a mini logo review to settle it once and for all... IF HE HAS THE GUTS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mru-9AdjIkU


Minilogo review would be nice.
My guess is that it is the magnesium alloy, not the suspension that speeds up the grinds.
Perhaps.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Juggalo420BlazeIt on August 02, 2018, 08:29:53 AM
Black tensor 5.0, hardest bushings. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 02, 2018, 09:10:04 AM
Quote from: ultrabra on August 02, 2018, 08:19:37 AM
Quote from: franquietits on August 01, 2018, 07:46:01 AM
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Degros does it again with another thorough review.

Now we just need a mini logo review to settle it once and for all... IF HE HAS THE GUTS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mru-9AdjIkU
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Minilogo review would be nice.
My guess is that it is the magnesium alloy, not the suspension that speeds up the grinds.
Perhaps.

That's what I was thinking; couple that with how easy mag grinds, it's going to be smoother and feel different than typical aluminum.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 02, 2018, 01:32:03 PM
$25 for a brand new set of stage 1 Ace’s if anyone wants them. Shipping included continental USA only.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on August 03, 2018, 09:02:19 AM
Curiousity got to me so I finally copped those new All-terrain Tensor MagLites. Between shipping & this hot ass weather I probably won’t get to skate them til next weekend but ima put in some work on them and do a lil mini review or something once they’re broken in and I have good feel for em
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Smartass on August 03, 2018, 11:06:04 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on August 03, 2018, 09:02:19 AM
Curiousity got to me so I finally copped those new All-terrain Tensor MagLites. Between shipping & this hot ass weather I probably won’t get to skate them til next weekend but ima put in some work on them and do a lil mini review or something once they’re broken in and I have good feel for em

Which ones did you end up picking up?

I'm noticing that some of the pro models are using the bushing cup in the base plate vs regular ones using bottom washers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on August 04, 2018, 12:27:11 PM
Quote from: Smartass on August 03, 2018, 11:06:04 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on August 03, 2018, 09:02:19 AM
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Curiousity got to me so I finally copped those new All-terrain Tensor MagLites. Between shipping & this hot ass weather I probably won’t get to skate them til next weekend but ima put in some work on them and do a lil mini review or something once they’re broken in and I have good feel for em
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Which ones did you end up picking up?

I'm noticing that some of the pro models are using the bushing cup in the base plate vs regular ones using bottom washers.

Interesting, I never noticed that before but I just saw some zered basset trucks without the bottom bushing washer. I got the regular silver mag lites though...now I might have to fuck around with both setups to see if it makes a difference

(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=TNMR8TR-SI-SI-1.jpg&nw=500)


I don’t think I’ve done a full on truck review before and I’m really interested to see if Tensor can come through as a solid truck option with this redesign. There’s a lot of little details like the interlocking bushings or the little nubs on the bottom of the baseplate that press into the deck so the truck doesn’t shift around once the screw holes start to widen out that intrigue me as well. Should be fun testing them out!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heritage on August 04, 2018, 01:22:48 PM
@Sk8Dood - They've also lowered the kingpin significantly on those redesigned Tensor. This thread had me going through a box of old trucks to try something other than Thunder and I found these older Tensor MagLite 10 Hi. I don't even remember buying these. Decent enough trucks but there are some differences to Thunder that I am used to. The turn is much different. I use Khiro conical in my Thunders and it's a really loose, surfy carve. These Tensor I really have to lean into the turn.

The kingpin in these is way too high for my taste. Hard to tell from this angle but it looks like it almost sits flush with the hangar and it gets caught on just about every grind. I watched the video of the new ones and it looks like dropping the kp was a big focus.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/929/43130938354_206c787b66_c.jpg)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/940/43130938284_4f5cf97cf8_c.jpg)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 04, 2018, 01:31:57 PM
I get the impression that they grind down super fast too.....I could see me getting them....doing tons of slappies and then bumming that I needed new ones....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Smartass on August 04, 2018, 01:51:14 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 04, 2018, 01:31:57 PM
I get the impression that they grind down super fast too.....I could see me getting them....doing tons of slappies and then bumming that I needed new ones....


For the older Mag-Lights like heritage's set, that's pretty much the case. Me and my homie put a a nice notch in his first day running them.

On the new All-Terrain ones they changed up the formula so they're a lot more durable. Still grind super smooth, older ones are smoother, but these are going to last way longer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heritage on August 04, 2018, 02:31:49 PM
Quote from: Smartass on August 04, 2018, 01:51:14 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 04, 2018, 01:31:57 PM
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I get the impression that they grind down super fast too.....I could see me getting them....doing tons of slappies and then bumming that I needed new ones....
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For the older Mag-Lights like heritage's set, that's pretty much the case. Me and my homie put a a nice notch in his first day running them.

On the new All-Terrain ones they changed up the formula so they're a lot more durable. Still grind super smooth, older ones are smoother, but these are going to last way longer.

I think I am going to try the new design. The quality is there. I like the looks of the new truck, and after the watching the video of what was changed they improved everything that needed attention. They weren't just unnecessary tweaks.

EDIT: Question about sizing: certain sites have them listed as 5.25, 5.5, etc and some have them listed as 8.25, 8.5. Would the 8.25 be equivalent to Thunder 148 and 8.5 would be equivalent to Thunder 149?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 04, 2018, 03:07:16 PM
Quote from: heritage on August 04, 2018, 02:31:49 PM
Quote from: Smartass on August 04, 2018, 01:51:14 PM
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I get the impression that they grind down super fast too.....I could see me getting them....doing tons of slappies and then bumming that I needed new ones....
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For the older Mag-Lights like heritage's set, that's pretty much the case. Me and my homie put a a nice notch in his first day running them.

On the new All-Terrain ones they changed up the formula so they're a lot more durable. Still grind super smooth, older ones are smoother, but these are going to last way longer.
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I think I am going to try the new design. The quality is there. I like the looks of the new truck, and after the watching the video of what was changed they improved everything that needed attention. They weren't just unnecessary tweaks.

EDIT: Question about sizing: certain sites have them listed as 5.25, 5.5, etc and some have them listed as 8.25, 8.5. Would the 8.25 be equivalent to Thunder 148 and 8.5 would be equivalent to Thunder 149?

5.5 = 8.125"
5.75 = 8.38"
6.0 = 8.625"

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1855/9149/t/4/assets/custom_size_chart_content.jpg?554589880683653000)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 04, 2018, 08:20:43 PM
Quote from: Smartass on August 04, 2018, 01:51:14 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 04, 2018, 01:31:57 PM
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I get the impression that they grind down super fast too.....I could see me getting them....doing tons of slappies and then bumming that I needed new ones....
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For the older Mag-Lights like heritage's set, that's pretty much the case. Me and my homie put a a nice notch in his first day running them.

On the new All-Terrain ones they changed up the formula so they're a lot more durable. Still grind super smooth, older ones are smoother, but these are going to last way longer.

That's good to hear....I think dwindle is capable of making good products....the decks aren't the lay up I like but I've never heard quality control was much of a problem....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 04, 2018, 08:58:09 PM
I Love dwindle stuff,

The full shape is my reliable everytime goto shape and deck when I’m not feeling to get adventurous with another brand

The tensors sizing is true now with the all terrain and the alloys

I’m riding the alloys right now and got both the 8.25 and 8 and so far I like them a lot, they’re around 51mm tall I think and the stock bushings are kinda that Walmart tight loose but actually tolerable

Swapped them out with bones Hards and they’re perfect, I’m gonna try and grab a set of the all terrain next but idk Forsure yet cause once I touch 53mm+ height trucks things things get too tall for me, mainly pop wise and jumping high enough to catch and keep up with the board

Still waiting to see those new indy lows for 2019
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heritage on August 04, 2018, 09:19:47 PM
Rob - what size board are you riding the 8.25 on?

And what do you mean the sizing is true? In relation to the sizing on the older set I posted above?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 04, 2018, 09:31:21 PM
I'm having bitch of a time getting the kingpins out of my team hollows.....any pointers?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mongoloid on August 04, 2018, 09:53:02 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 02, 2018, 01:32:03 PM
$25 for a brand new set of stage 1 Ace’s if anyone wants them. Shipping included continental USA only.

Size?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 04, 2018, 10:12:04 PM
Quote from: heritage on August 04, 2018, 09:19:47 PM
Rob - what size board are you riding the 8.25 on?

And what do you mean the sizing is true? In relation to the sizing on the older set I posted above?

Riding the 8.25 on my 8.25 rick howard girl and kinda prefer it because I can keep the true wheelbase compared the thunders pushing it out

The older tensors(the tens regulars and lows) follow the old sizing where 5.25=7.9 & 5.5=8.125 but the alloys and all terrain are actually 5.25=8 and 5.5=8.25

From what I’m getting so far with my alloys, I can post a pic of you want(with the label 5.25 and a tape measure axle to axle)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heritage on August 04, 2018, 10:27:13 PM
Quote from: rob on August 04, 2018, 10:12:04 PM
Quote from: heritage on August 04, 2018, 09:19:47 PM
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Rob - what size board are you riding the 8.25 on?

And what do you mean the sizing is true? In relation to the sizing on the older set I posted above?
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Riding the 8.25 on my 8.25 rick howard girl and kinda prefer it because I can keep the true wheelbase compared the thunders pushing it out

The older tensors(the tens regulars and lows) follow the old sizing where 5.25=7.9 & 5.5=8.125 but the alloys and all terrain are actually 5.25=8 and 5.5=8.25

From what I’m getting so far with my alloys, I can post a pic of you want(with the label 5.25 and a tape measure axle to axle)

This helps quite a bit. The older pair I posted above are 5.75. The axle measures 8.3 and the hanger measures just a hair under 6.75. I can't decide with the new geometry if I want to go 5.75 or 5.5. Can you do me a favor whenever you get the chance, positively no rush, is measure the hanger width on your 5.5. Thanks Rob.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 05, 2018, 01:56:50 PM
Quote from: heritage on August 04, 2018, 10:27:13 PM
Quote from: rob on August 04, 2018, 10:12:04 PM
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Quote from: heritage on August 04, 2018, 09:19:47 PM
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Rob - what size board are you riding the 8.25 on?

And what do you mean the sizing is true? In relation to the sizing on the older set I posted above?
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Riding the 8.25 on my 8.25 rick howard girl and kinda prefer it because I can keep the true wheelbase compared the thunders pushing it out

The older tensors(the tens regulars and lows) follow the old sizing where 5.25=7.9 & 5.5=8.125 but the alloys and all terrain are actually 5.25=8 and 5.5=8.25

From what I’m getting so far with my alloys, I can post a pic of you want(with the label 5.25 and a tape measure axle to axle)
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This helps quite a bit. The older pair I posted above are 5.75. The axle measures 8.3 and the hanger measures just a hair under 6.75. I can't decide with the new geometry if I want to go 5.75 or 5.5. Can you do me a favor whenever you get the chance, positively no rush, is measure the hanger width on your 5.5. Thanks Rob.

Definitely

I’ll post it tomorrow fur ya

Also the tensor 5.5/8.25 alloys are a little wider than the 8.25 girl

Just a tiny though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: el chino on August 05, 2018, 03:59:17 PM
Are sternum trucks a real thing?
Ive been following for  while but all they do is fucking the chest
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 05, 2018, 06:34:51 PM
Quote from: Mongoloid on August 04, 2018, 09:53:02 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 02, 2018, 01:32:03 PM
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$25 for a brand new set of stage 1 Ace’s if anyone wants them. Shipping included continental USA only.
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Size?

They were 44’s. Sold.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on August 06, 2018, 05:41:42 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 04, 2018, 09:31:21 PM
I'm having bitch of a time getting the kingpins out of my team hollows.....any pointers?

oven
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 06, 2018, 07:26:36 AM
I just had to try harder.....finally got em out the krux kingpin fits perfectly...thunders never looked so burly with that much clearance....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on August 06, 2018, 08:02:37 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 06, 2018, 07:26:36 AM
I just had to try harder.....finally got em out the krux kingpin fits perfectly...thunders never looked so burly with that much clearance....
yeah, no excessive ellipsis in hammering, you have to hammer no stop^^
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 06, 2018, 08:19:25 AM
It's true....SMASH...........SMASH.................

Isn't as effective as: SMASHSMAShSMASHSMASHSMASH

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on August 06, 2018, 09:01:24 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 06, 2018, 08:19:25 AM
It's true....SMASH...........SMASH.................

Isn't as effective as: SMASHSMAShSMASHSMASHSMASH
absolutely  ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stephop on August 06, 2018, 12:08:48 PM
Rode Indy for over a decade and decided to try Thunders. I like them. Run them with bones yellow bushing and only the bottom washers. I used to skate my trucks absurdly loose but I recently tightened my back truck a little more.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Silky Johnson on August 06, 2018, 12:38:35 PM
Debating whether to try Thunders or Ventures anyone have experience with both?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on August 06, 2018, 12:58:53 PM
I’ve been on Venture hi’s (white stock bushings) for about 3 months now, ride them pretty loose-ish (can’t ride that wobbly stuff anymore) and I fucking love them. First trucks I haven’t had to tinker with or obsess about in a loooong time. I’ve been riding Indy’s since the stage 7’s, and I found myself hating the Stage 11’s, something about them just doesn’t vibe with me. Tried Thunders, enjoyed them, but at the same time I didn’t like the feel of them enough to keep them (personal preference).

I don’t see myself riding anything else for a long time.

I know I’m not cool for not riding wobbly loose trucks, but my manual tricks were starting to get way too hard.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on August 06, 2018, 03:46:06 PM
Quote from: Silky Johnson on August 06, 2018, 12:38:35 PM
Debating whether to try Thunders or Ventures anyone have experience with both?

Tried Thunders after being an Indy guy for years, couldn’t stand the wheel bite and short base plates.
Now I am riding Venture 5.8 Hi’s, I love them too, nice and curvy and light on the wheel bite. I get marks with every truck I ride but I don’t get pitched by the Ventures. I also replaced the stock bushings with Indy white super softs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 06, 2018, 04:23:00 PM
For no good reason I dismiss any hi or lo truck......anyone with me on this?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on August 06, 2018, 05:49:33 PM
I used to only ride Indy but switched to Thunder and then Venture. Riding Ventures now and they are basically a Thunder but turns a bit slower and is beefy. I mod the stock bushing so I can ride really loose with the stock washers to keep the geometry the turn is kinda like indy but longer wheelbase. I can ride really loose without wheelbite so fun
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on August 06, 2018, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 06, 2018, 04:23:00 PM
For no good reason I dismiss any hi or lo truck......anyone with me on this?

Yes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on August 06, 2018, 09:21:59 PM
Ace

/thread
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 06, 2018, 09:59:52 PM
Quote from: TheBoognish on August 06, 2018, 12:58:53 PM
I’ve been on Venture hi’s (white stock bushings) for about 3 months now, ride them pretty loose-ish (can’t ride that wobbly stuff anymore) and I fucking love them. First trucks I haven’t had to tinker with or obsess about in a loooong time. I’ve been riding Indy’s since the stage 7’s, and I found myself hating the Stage 11’s, something about them just doesn’t vibe with me. Tried Thunders, enjoyed them, but at the same time I didn’t like the feel of them enough to keep them (personal preference).

I don’t see myself riding anything else for a long time.

I know I’m not cool for not riding wobbly loose trucks, but my manual tricks were starting to get way too hard.

It's not just you.

If Venture steps up to an 8.25" or I drop to an 8" (unlikely) or bump to 8.3/8.5" (possible) I'll sure give them another shot IF they make a V-Hollow lite - until then, it's Thunders, stock white bushings, having come to realize every other color, the clear colors anyway, feel much harder than the white stocks. It's the height and pop that gels with me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on August 07, 2018, 12:01:19 PM
Quote from: Xen on August 06, 2018, 09:59:52 PM
Quote from: TheBoognish on August 06, 2018, 12:58:53 PM
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I’ve been on Venture hi’s (white stock bushings) for about 3 months now, ride them pretty loose-ish (can’t ride that wobbly stuff anymore) and I fucking love them. First trucks I haven’t had to tinker with or obsess about in a loooong time. I’ve been riding Indy’s since the stage 7’s, and I found myself hating the Stage 11’s, something about them just doesn’t vibe with me. Tried Thunders, enjoyed them, but at the same time I didn’t like the feel of them enough to keep them (personal preference).

I don’t see myself riding anything else for a long time.

I know I’m not cool for not riding wobbly loose trucks, but my manual tricks were starting to get way too hard.
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It's not just you.

If Venture steps up to an 8.25" or I drop to an 8" (unlikely) or bump to 8.3/8.5" (possible) I'll sure give them another shot IF they make a V-Hollow lite - until then, it's Thunders, stock white bushings, having come to realize every other color, the clear colors anyway, feel much harder than the white stocks. It's the height and pop that gels with me.
I’ve got the 5.2 raw high’s on a 8.25 (I vary between that and 8.125), and they feel fine. Judging by the wheel bite marks on my 8.125 Magenta, they’re actually a tad wider than Indy 139’s. I’d definitely get a set if they made 8.25’s, but for now it’s not the end of the world, I enjoy my set up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jared on August 07, 2018, 03:05:18 PM
Quote from: NJFly318 on August 06, 2018, 03:46:06 PM
Quote from: Silky Johnson on August 06, 2018, 12:38:35 PM
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Debating whether to try Thunders or Ventures anyone have experience with both?
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Tried Thunders after being an Indy guy for years, couldn’t stand the wheel bite and short base plates.
Now I am riding Venture 5.8 Hi’s, I love them too, nice and curvy and light on the wheel bite. I get marks with every truck I ride but I don’t get pitched by the Ventures. I also replaced the stock bushings with Indy white super softs.
I’m also a recent Venture convert after skating Indy’s for 6 years. I find that I’m able to skate them as loose as my Indy’s without having to modify the trucks with bushings etc. I just loosened them up when I got them and they were ready to go. I feel like I have a more controlled and reliable ride.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whenyousleep on August 07, 2018, 03:06:37 PM
Quote from: Xen on August 06, 2018, 09:59:52 PM
Quote from: TheBoognish on August 06, 2018, 12:58:53 PM
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I’ve been on Venture hi’s (white stock bushings) for about 3 months now, ride them pretty loose-ish (can’t ride that wobbly stuff anymore) and I fucking love them. First trucks I haven’t had to tinker with or obsess about in a loooong time. I’ve been riding Indy’s since the stage 7’s, and I found myself hating the Stage 11’s, something about them just doesn’t vibe with me. Tried Thunders, enjoyed them, but at the same time I didn’t like the feel of them enough to keep them (personal preference).

I don’t see myself riding anything else for a long time.

I know I’m not cool for not riding wobbly loose trucks, but my manual tricks were starting to get way too hard.
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It's not just you.

If Venture steps up to an 8.25" or I drop to an 8" (unlikely) or bump to 8.3/8.5" (possible) I'll sure give them another shot IF they make a V-Hollow lite - until then, it's Thunders, stock white bushings, having come to realize every other color, the clear colors anyway, feel much harder than the white stocks. It's the height and pop that gels with me.

On one of venture's instagram posts, someone commented asking if they were gonna make an 8.25" truck and they replied saying that it was "in the works."
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on August 07, 2018, 05:23:30 PM
got the new Tensor All-Terrain's in the mail today. Took a quick pic to show their height (the 5.75/8.38 axle) compared to Thunder 149's & some Venture 5.8s. Can't see from the angle, but they have as much kingpin clearance as ventures as well with a similar "lip" around the kingpin. Lighter than the Thunder Ti's too. They also push the wheelbase in more like Indy's & Theeves. Gonna take em for a spin tomorrow and can't wait to see how they turn and grind. I know of a good crusty out-ledge to see how they fair with Tailslides & Smith grinds.

First time skating magnesium too. Kinda weird that they have that matte-like finish compared to my usual polished aluminum but we'll see how they look after some grinds.

(http://oi68.tinypic.com/2mo8d42.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 07, 2018, 05:32:09 PM
Yeah I had thought they were to be a higher beefier truck....but you still get the lightness.....the opposite of an ace.....slim but heavier.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on August 07, 2018, 05:36:25 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 07, 2018, 05:32:09 PM
Yeah I had thought they were to be a higher beefier truck....but you still get the lightness.....the opposite of an ace.....slim but heavier.....

yeah that's part of what got me hyped to try them because they have that hanger shape like ventures, but are lightweight like thunders. If I'm lucky they'll turn like Theeves and be my dream truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Smartass on August 07, 2018, 09:13:36 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on August 07, 2018, 05:36:25 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 07, 2018, 05:32:09 PM
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Yeah I had thought they were to be a higher beefier truck....but you still get the lightness.....the opposite of an ace.....slim but heavier.....
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yeah that's part of what got me hyped to try them because they have that hanger shape like ventures, but are lightweight like thunders. If I'm lucky they'll turn like Theeves and be my dream truck.

They might be a little stiff at first but that'll change with a quick break in sesh.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shripshrapper on August 08, 2018, 03:05:54 PM
Quote from: nosneb on August 06, 2018, 05:49:33 PM
I used to only ride Indy but switched to Thunder and then Venture. Riding Ventures now and they are basically a Thunder but turns a bit slower and is beefy. I mod the stock bushing so I can ride really loose with the stock washers to keep the geometry the turn is kinda like indy but longer wheelbase. I can ride really loose without wheelbite so fun

I like how that sounds, I had to give up on thunder after a year or so, I just can't totally trust that quick turn. Plus I finally realized I don't really like low trucks.

What about the pop on ventures? Pushing the WB out like that seems like it would mess with my timing too much.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on August 08, 2018, 04:23:48 PM
In my experience , ventures and thunders have a quicker pop response than Indys. Could be wheelbase related, maybe not. I've felt my ollies on Indys to be more "floaty" than on ventures or thunders. I love Indys but for this exact reason, is why I dabble in ventures and thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 08, 2018, 04:43:34 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on August 07, 2018, 05:23:30 PM
got the new Tensor All-Terrain's in the mail today. Took a quick pic to show their height (the 5.75/8.38 axle) compared to Thunder 149's & some Venture 5.8s. Can't see from the angle, but they have as much kingpin clearance as ventures as well with a similar "lip" around the kingpin. Lighter than the Thunder Ti's too. They also push the wheelbase in more like Indy's & Theeves. Gonna take em for a spin tomorrow and can't wait to see how they turn and grind. I know of a good crusty out-ledge to see how they fair with Tailslides & Smith grinds.

First time skating magnesium too. Kinda weird that they have that matte-like finish compared to my usual polished aluminum but we'll see how they look after some grinds.

(http://oi68.tinypic.com/2mo8d42.jpg)

Wow, the sensors look huge!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on August 08, 2018, 08:54:00 PM
Quote from: shripshrapper on August 08, 2018, 03:05:54 PM
Quote from: nosneb on August 06, 2018, 05:49:33 PM
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I used to only ride Indy but switched to Thunder and then Venture. Riding Ventures now and they are basically a Thunder but turns a bit slower and is beefy. I mod the stock bushing so I can ride really loose with the stock washers to keep the geometry the turn is kinda like indy but longer wheelbase. I can ride really loose without wheelbite so fun
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I like how that sounds, I had to give up on thunder after a year or so, I just can't totally trust that quick turn. Plus I finally realized I don't really like low trucks.

What about the pop on ventures? Pushing the WB out like that seems like it would mess with my timing too much.

Ventures have amazing pop IMO. They just don't turn how I'd like no matter what.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on August 08, 2018, 09:58:01 PM
Quote from: Roisto on August 08, 2018, 08:54:00 PM
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I used to only ride Indy but switched to Thunder and then Venture. Riding Ventures now and they are basically a Thunder but turns a bit slower and is beefy. I mod the stock bushing so I can ride really loose with the stock washers to keep the geometry the turn is kinda like indy but longer wheelbase. I can ride really loose without wheelbite so fun
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I like how that sounds, I had to give up on thunder after a year or so, I just can't totally trust that quick turn. Plus I finally realized I don't really like low trucks.

What about the pop on ventures? Pushing the WB out like that seems like it would mess with my timing too much.
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Ventures have amazing pop IMO. They just don't turn how I'd like no matter what.

I tried someone's board with ventures briefly today. I've skated indy ace and thunder before. I agree the pop feels amazing, ollies felt much floatier than they usually do for me. Nice and stable, was neither too tight nor too loose, and the truck responded nicely to adjustments and I was able to lean pretty deep without wheelbite. Problem was the turn was so slow. Tried to turn left, and in the time it took me to turn 90 degrees, I could have probably done a full u turn on aces of a similar tightness. Interesting how they feel responsive but still have a slow turn. Would have been perfect otherwise. This is all based off a few minutes experience on someone elses setup though, could be better after getting used to it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on August 09, 2018, 03:55:54 PM
Quote from: Xen on August 08, 2018, 04:43:34 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on August 07, 2018, 05:23:30 PM
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got the new Tensor All-Terrain's in the mail today. Took a quick pic to show their height (the 5.75/8.38 axle) compared to Thunder 149's & some Venture 5.8s. Can't see from the angle, but they have as much kingpin clearance as ventures as well with a similar "lip" around the kingpin. Lighter than the Thunder Ti's too. They also push the wheelbase in more like Indy's & Theeves. Gonna take em for a spin tomorrow and can't wait to see how they turn and grind. I know of a good crusty out-ledge to see how they fair with Tailslides & Smith grinds.

First time skating magnesium too. Kinda weird that they have that matte-like finish compared to my usual polished aluminum but we'll see how they look after some grinds.

(http://oi68.tinypic.com/2mo8d42.jpg)
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Wow, the sensors look huge!

Yeah, it’s crazy how much bigger they are while still being noticeably lighter than even the thunder Ti’s. I Took them for a little spin yesterday and had some interesting first impressions

Bushings still probably need to be broken in some more, but they weren’t nearly as bad as I was expecting. I was riding them more loose than I usually do to help mush em down and I was getting some realllly deep turns. Coming from Ventures & thunders, that pushed in wheelbase is noticeable. I know Theeves geometry is similar but those feel more “centered” if anything. The tensors definitely feel like they tuck inwards, especially on the deep turns

I’ve never skated magnesium before, but I was pretty impressed by their grind. There’s this chunky ledge at the park that’s nearly unskatable like it’s been destroyed by bike pegs, that I’ve waxed the shit out of a couple times to get some rough struggle grinds. Ventures could handle it fairly well, the thunders defintely had more trouble snagging, but these tensors were grinding this shit fairly easy with NO wax.  Probably the most impressive aspect I noticed on the first session. It can handle those rough edges exceptionally well

The height is what’s probably gonna take the most getting used to for me. I haven’t skated Indy’s recently enough to give an accurate comparison, but I defintely had to be more deliberate with my pop on the tensors compared to my Thunders & Ventures. I didn’t do too many flip tricks because I was focused more on the turns & grinds this first session, but I did pop off a couple kickflips and heelflips that were dumb high, even for me. Gonna have to get used to the trucks some more though to do those like that consistently.

Gonna wake up early on Saturday and put them through the ringer with a good 2-3 hour session to reallllly break em in. So far tho, they’re defintely interesting. Honestly my biggest complaint is how they look. Not a fan of the matte finish or the black nuts/washers. Shoulda got the gloss black hanger with some silver nuts or some shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on August 10, 2018, 02:41:03 PM
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I used to only ride Indy but switched to Thunder and then Venture. Riding Ventures now and they are basically a Thunder but turns a bit slower and is beefy. I mod the stock bushing so I can ride really loose with the stock washers to keep the geometry the turn is kinda like indy but longer wheelbase. I can ride really loose without wheelbite so fun
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I like how that sounds, I had to give up on thunder after a year or so, I just can't totally trust that quick turn. Plus I finally realized I don't really like low trucks.

What about the pop on ventures? Pushing the WB out like that seems like it would mess with my timing too much.
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Ventures have amazing pop IMO. They just don't turn how I'd like no matter what.
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I tried someone's board with ventures briefly today. I've skated indy ace and thunder before. I agree the pop feels amazing, ollies felt much floatier than they usually do for me. Nice and stable, was neither too tight nor too loose, and the truck responded nicely to adjustments and I was able to lean pretty deep without wheelbite. Problem was the turn was so slow. Tried to turn left, and in the time it took me to turn 90 degrees, I could have probably done a full u turn on aces of a similar tightness. Interesting how they feel responsive but still have a slow turn. Would have been perfect otherwise. This is all based off a few minutes experience on someone elses setup though, could be better after getting used to it.

Highs (purple bushing) or Lows(red bushing)?


In my experience you have to work more for pop on Highs but they turn really well.


They might as well be different trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on August 10, 2018, 02:55:46 PM
Questions as I plan another foray into Indys:

Ride differences between the Standard, the Hollow, and the Forged Hollow?

Can you get away with the Forged Hollows and 54+mm wheels?

Do any Indys come stock with a softer bushing? I never got my Stage 10s as turny as I liked with stock bushings.


Do I just wait for Venture to put out their 8.25 truck?...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on August 10, 2018, 04:13:23 PM
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I used to only ride Indy but switched to Thunder and then Venture. Riding Ventures now and they are basically a Thunder but turns a bit slower and is beefy. I mod the stock bushing so I can ride really loose with the stock washers to keep the geometry the turn is kinda like indy but longer wheelbase. I can ride really loose without wheelbite so fun
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I like how that sounds, I had to give up on thunder after a year or so, I just can't totally trust that quick turn. Plus I finally realized I don't really like low trucks.

What about the pop on ventures? Pushing the WB out like that seems like it would mess with my timing too much.
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Ventures have amazing pop IMO. They just don't turn how I'd like no matter what.
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I tried someone's board with ventures briefly today. I've skated indy ace and thunder before. I agree the pop feels amazing, ollies felt much floatier than they usually do for me. Nice and stable, was neither too tight nor too loose, and the truck responded nicely to adjustments and I was able to lean pretty deep without wheelbite. Problem was the turn was so slow. Tried to turn left, and in the time it took me to turn 90 degrees, I could have probably done a full u turn on aces of a similar tightness. Interesting how they feel responsive but still have a slow turn. Would have been perfect otherwise. This is all based off a few minutes experience on someone elses setup though, could be better after getting used to it.
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Highs (purple bushing) or Lows(red bushing)?


In my experience you have to work more for pop on Highs but they turn really well.


They might as well be different trucks.

Damn, I'm not too sure. It did feel like the board was a bit higher than my indy 149s with forged plates, tail took a little longer to hit the ground so I'm guessing highs, can't say for sure though. The turn wasn't necessarily bad, but just slow compared to indys or aces.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on August 10, 2018, 06:02:15 PM
I think Venture 5.8 fits perfect with 8.25 decks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 10, 2018, 07:27:34 PM
Quote from: Willie on August 10, 2018, 02:55:46 PM
Questions as I plan another foray into Indys:

Ride differences between the Standard, the Hollow, and the Forged Hollow?

Can you get away with the Forged Hollows and 54+mm wheels?

Do any Indys come stock with a softer bushing? I never got my Stage 10s as turny as I liked with stock bushings.


Do I just wait for Venture to put out their 8.25 truck?...

Weight and 'tinny-ness' with forged

Yes, 55 MM wheels are up to 56 MM wheels; by that logic, 54mm wheels should be fine for a 53.5mm truck (also depends on how tight you ride)

Yes, the stock 90a (orange) bushing is pretty squishy; aftermarkets are better.

Thunder, Indy, Theeve and Krux (royal, fury, destructo, bullet, industrial, silver; ace, ML, Tensor 8.3x) all make 8.25s so up to you if you want to wait for venture.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on August 12, 2018, 01:37:01 PM
my dad swoop this thing from the flea market for $5

what year roughly are these indys? they have six holes in the baseplate

(https://preview.ibb.co/ghf3mU/20180812_132918.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dbUw6U)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 12, 2018, 02:14:16 PM
7's....8 has the cross on the pivot point.  Google works great for this kinda stuff...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on August 13, 2018, 06:04:28 AM
7’s were so good...

So I got some of those new ace 44’s, do I need to break them in like thunders (I.e don’t fuck with them for 2-3sessions)? Any tips would be appreciated ...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on August 13, 2018, 07:46:26 AM
Yes. The bushings will be hard and the turn will not be perfect initially but after breaking them in they’ll be perfect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on August 13, 2018, 08:32:52 AM
Definitely break them in. I don’t skate my trucks very loose, but after the bushings hardened up a bit, I barely tightened them at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 13, 2018, 08:36:42 AM
I have a set of 8's but most of the trucks from that era are commonly narrow....work great on a zip zinger.....

Around that time I don't think indys were that cool....everyone was skating ventures or starting to experiment w all the other truck companies....

Indy like thrasher.....no one cared about despite what everyone is saying now....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shripshrapper on August 13, 2018, 08:59:01 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 13, 2018, 08:36:42 AM
I have a set of 8's but most of the trucks from that era are commonly narrow....work great on a zip zinger.....

Around that time I don't think indys were that cool....everyone was skating ventures or starting to experiment w all the other truck companies....

Indy like thrasher.....no one cared about despite what everyone is saying now....

I always remember ventures being talked up as the top dog in trucks, Indy's were "old school".
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on August 13, 2018, 11:49:37 AM
When I started skating in 00, everyone was raving about grind kings - I still agree with the kingpin.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: blo0mz on August 13, 2018, 11:52:01 AM
Grind Kings were my first trucks in probably '01 or '02. World Industries Devil w/ Flameboy and Wet Willy deck. Probably a 7.5". Also Blue/Orange swirl World Industries wheels.

Those were the days...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stephop on August 13, 2018, 12:48:11 PM
Grind King kingpins were the best ever at literally falling out of your trucks. The concept was way ahead of the game though. If you remember the idiotic concept of floating Axel's that spun on purpose so you didn't have to bang your trucks when the Axel's moved you are old ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on August 13, 2018, 01:22:51 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 12, 2018, 02:14:16 PM
7's....8 has the cross on the pivot point.  Google works great for this kinda stuff...

killer, thanks.

the trucks aren't even scratched and they have the original washers.

the bearings that were in the wheels say "smokies a3" and i can't find any info on them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on August 13, 2018, 06:37:05 PM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on August 12, 2018, 01:37:01 PM
my dad swoop this thing from the flea market for $5

what year roughly are these indys? they have six holes in the baseplate

(https://preview.ibb.co/ghf3mU/20180812_132918.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dbUw6U)

These trucks are my favorites. They turn great, grind really good and are heavy as fuck. I have two sets of 156's and love them but do not use them, i dont want to get used to them and then never be able to find a set once I grind through them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on August 13, 2018, 07:34:15 PM
Alright guys let’s dive even deeper into this shit, what’s good with covered nuts?

Grind King Rimz had cheesy marketing but the performance concept was sound. Way back in the day I had some that would cover the end of the axle to help keep them from getting banged up. I’m wondering if there’s some kind of hardware store alternative out here to help keep from wear & tear on my axles.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on August 13, 2018, 10:29:15 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on August 13, 2018, 07:34:15 PM
Alright guys let’s dive even deeper into this shit, what’s good with covered nuts?

Grind King Rimz had cheesy marketing but the performance concept was sound. Way back in the day I had some that would cover the end of the axle to help keep them from getting banged up. I’m wondering if there’s some kind of hardware store alternative out here to help keep from wear & tear on my axles.
silver made a nut only version that worked well. similar to this
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Z1QAAOSw9IpXzRa6/s-l300.jpg)

edit: on the axles of these
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31%2BRTG1xE8L.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 13, 2018, 11:27:44 PM
I skate the extended races and I just set up wheels....threw the washers on anyhow...and realized I need to see a bit of axel.....not hanging out the side but for some reason just nut looks clunky....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on August 14, 2018, 11:14:29 AM
I keep enough washers around so I can make the nut flush with the end of the axle.  On some older trucks like my Stage 7 146s it means I am putting quite a few on.  I usually put them on the inside of the wheel and run only one speedring on the outside.  It just looks better to me to have the nut/axle flush.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on August 14, 2018, 11:24:50 AM
I do the inner wheels washers too with my back set-up, 139mm on 8.25, make them home made 144, didn't get in the 149mm club soon enough  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 16, 2018, 01:22:19 AM
I can put my stage 11 hangers on a stage 10 forged baseplate right ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on August 16, 2018, 05:39:46 AM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on August 16, 2018, 01:22:19 AM
I can put my stage 11 hangers on a stage 10 forged baseplate right ?

Not sure, but if it helps I am running stage 9 base plates with stage 11 hanger with no noticeable issues. Seems like all changes were made with the hanger
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on August 16, 2018, 10:58:28 AM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on August 16, 2018, 01:22:19 AM
I can put my stage 11 hangers on a stage 10 forged baseplate right ?

yes.  S10 baseplates are exactly the same as S11 but the S10 do not have the cross engraving
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 16, 2018, 01:06:52 PM
Thanks Steve, put them together last night, it just looks better to me than the thick standard plate, makes me feel like it’ll feel less stilt like
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TooManyPros on August 16, 2018, 01:19:24 PM
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I can put my stage 11 hangers on a stage 10 forged baseplate right ?
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yes.  S10 baseplates are exactly the same as S11 but the S10 do not have the cross engraving

Indy called them Stage 10.5s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 256 Ply on August 16, 2018, 02:15:34 PM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on August 13, 2018, 01:22:51 PM
the bearings that were in the wheels say "smokies a3" and i can't find any info on them

Bearings by Golden State Wheel Co by Justin Girard (of  Mad Circle), distributed out of Giant Distribution.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on August 17, 2018, 02:05:16 PM
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the bearings that were in the wheels say "smokies a3" and i can't find any info on them
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Bearings by Golden State Wheel Co by Justin Girard (of  Mad Circle), distributed out of Giant Distribution.

thanks man, i can't believe how old this thing is. the bearings are still fine, i'm thinking about using them after i clean them up. what year did they stop making indy stage 7?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on August 18, 2018, 06:19:39 PM
My truck set up: Venture 5.8 with the top bushing shaved down so I can have both washers with bolt flush to the king pin. I basically ride my trucks with no preload on the bushings, you can basically spin them around.
I always skated my trucks this loose my entire time skating and adapted to the feel. But lately I havent been skating as often and trying to learn new tricks.
The other day I tried riding my trucks a full turn tighter which added a bit of pre load. trucks felt more stable and bushings rebounds quicker. Manual tricks became slighty easier but the I hate it. Grinding I cant lock in like I would with wobbly trucks and makes me feel high on the ledge and higher chance landing primo. I also noticed bombing hills were way scarier with medium loose trucks. Any input I give Ill have crazy speed wobble since busings respond quicker. When I have 0 preload on my bushings I have total stability. Back to crazy loose trucks for me.
Anyone else have similar experience?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Daniel on August 18, 2018, 08:16:44 PM
^^ Not loose to the point where the turn feels straight up pivot cup, but loose to where there is slight preload and some hanger rattle. Try aces! They feel very natural at that level of loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on August 18, 2018, 08:36:18 PM
I used to ride Ace but I dont like the small wheelbase.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on August 19, 2018, 12:54:30 AM
Question: would a high or low truck make for more of an effective "pinch" on grinds?

I've skated lows before and felt like I was slipping out of crooked grinds easier; couldn't tell if it was me or not.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hey pickle on August 19, 2018, 05:03:08 AM
Quote from: franquietits on August 19, 2018, 12:54:30 AM
Question: would a high or low truck make for more of an effective "pinch" on grinds?

I've skated lows before and felt like I was slipping out of crooked grinds easier; couldn't tell if it was me or not.

Highs
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BRIX SKWIKZ on August 20, 2018, 06:26:29 AM
well ive been riding some indys for a while ,big heavy oldschool style to go with my powell peralta 64mm minicubics

but a friend hooked me up with a set of crail bufoni´s and i couldnt be more pleased!

they turn like an indy, super stable with

moog bushings

but light as fuck with that hollow pin

ive been kickflipping like a beast in 51mm make wheels and urgh boards

THEY GRIND REALLY GOOD EITHER

long gone are the days when you could only find toy sk8s in brazil!

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 20, 2018, 11:17:01 PM
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Rob - what size board are you riding the 8.25 on?

And what do you mean the sizing is true? In relation to the sizing on the older set I posted above?
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Riding the 8.25 on my 8.25 rick howard girl and kinda prefer it because I can keep the true wheelbase compared the thunders pushing it out

The older tensors(the tens regulars and lows) follow the old sizing where 5.25=7.9 & 5.5=8.125 but the alloys and all terrain are actually 5.25=8 and 5.5=8.25

From what I’m getting so far with my alloys, I can post a pic of you want(with the label 5.25 and a tape measure axle to axle)
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This helps quite a bit. The older pair I posted above are 5.75. The axle measures 8.3 and the hanger measures just a hair under 6.75. I can't decide with the new geometry if I want to go 5.75 or 5.5. Can you do me a favor whenever you get the chance, positively no rush, is measure the hanger width on your 5.5. Thanks Rob.

(https://i.imgur.com/fDQEeTV_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)

Sorry heritage and everyone for going awol

The first trucks from left to right

Some old 5.75 prototype tensor mags before the all terrain

Tensor alloys 5.5

Tensor tens 5.5

Thunder 148

Ace 44 classics(the newest ones)

Indy 144

Call me a poser, I don’t spend enough time on a set to grind them and you guys know this, I just pop some Ollie’s and flips tricks and swap them out

This is just 1/4 maybe 1/5 of my trucks collection

Gonna finally get some destructos soon, the lows

Cause recently found out I like smaller decks again, 7.8-8

Maybe an 8.12 And I wanna have an mid 2000 type setup

Small deck, old brand trucks, 99a wheels
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: brwrxstl on August 23, 2018, 07:07:19 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 12, 2018, 02:14:16 PM
7's....8 has the cross on the pivot point.  Google works great for this kinda stuff...

Ew dude get over yourself. If you'd look that shit up on Google yourself you'd see why he asked...and even still, maybe he just asked because he wanted to get an actual answer because he wanted actual feedback.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on August 24, 2018, 03:39:08 PM
Theeve has the TiHangers on their site for preorder, with them coming out Sept. 15.
 $250 though (https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/patrice.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 24, 2018, 08:09:24 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on August 24, 2018, 03:39:08 PM
Theeve has the TiHangers on their site for preorder, with them coming out Sept. 15.
 $250 though (https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/patrice.png)

SW will get some stock, no one will buy them, nab them on the next big sale.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 24, 2018, 08:14:16 PM
I'll sell my tih's if anyone is intersted....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 24, 2018, 10:03:25 PM
Hey guys I know this isn’t the classified section but anyone got some indy 129 stage 11 they wanna sell or trade?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DONKEYSAUCE on August 25, 2018, 09:20:29 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm6EHa8lgsx/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=rmuxfoeaogc6
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tedd on August 26, 2018, 09:52:50 AM
What’s the verdict on Thunder’s new forged baseplates (1 mm higher) vs the old cast ones?

I want to get a set but I don’t know if I should get the old or the new
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on August 27, 2018, 06:19:25 AM
Question for truck nerds:

How important is kingpin clearance to you? Is it just a mental thing or does a truck with more kingpin clearance truly outperform a truck with less kingpin clearance on grinds?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on August 27, 2018, 06:28:56 AM
Quote from: baustin on August 27, 2018, 06:19:25 AM
Question for truck nerds:

How important is kingpin clearance to you? Is it just a mental thing or does a truck with more kingpin clearance truly outperform a truck with less kingpin clearance on grinds?

they make a lot of difference for me with smith grinds, the worst case of kingpin stick out ive had was with thunder lows, could literally feel my kingpin scraping against the ledge as i grinded, filing it down made a big difference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on August 27, 2018, 06:33:21 AM
i replaced a kingpin on my old thunders and it ended up being about level with the hangar. thought i could power through it but shit was so bad on as mentioned above smith grinds. stuck an angle grinder on it and it was fine thereafter. if you look at people who do alot of smith/feebles their kingpin/but tend to get worn down on a weird angle so obviously it's not stopping them but i'd rather have less than more.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 27, 2018, 06:35:19 AM
Quote from: Tedd on August 26, 2018, 09:52:50 AM
What’s the verdict on Thunder’s new forged baseplates (1 mm higher) vs the old cast ones?

I want to get a set but I don’t know if I should get the old or the new

There is no new forged plate (yet, extended one maybe still coming?).

The cast plate is what you are referencing; it is 1mm taller than the forged plates.

Why they don't make a taller forged plate, I don't know...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 27, 2018, 08:06:47 AM
I'm skating the new cast ones I dunno if it's much different than the previous ones but yes, a mm higher.   Hadn't skated thunders in years so hard for me to compare but I haven't gotten wheel bite as badly as expected on these trucks. 

I slipped in the krux kingpins and I'm loving them.  Some people like how the kingpin helps lock in smiths/feebs but I hate how it feels.  Another reason why an Indy is a good truck is...more truck ie. better clearance. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on August 27, 2018, 09:03:22 AM
I remember when thunder lows would grind the kingpin just 50ing a rail, they're better now, but still ridiculous imo.
Theeve's don't have that problem as bad, but I still use the krux kingpin just to get as much as possible which looks to be about 8mm.
(https://scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/34f09563dc9cc15ba8bb7f381319f81b/5C2F37B3/t51.2885-15/e35/39812983_284679698796594_479496385217953792_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on August 27, 2018, 09:11:27 AM
Those Krux kingpins do look nice. I swear if Thunder would do a truck with a longer baseplate and inverted kingpin I would never experience truck madness again because other than sometimes getting snagged on slides and grinds they feel perfect... I feel myself being pulled back to Venture but I wanna push through and skate a set of trucks till they die
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FluFlammer on August 28, 2018, 10:10:13 PM
has anyone made the switch from indy 149 standards to thunder 149's? just curious because i miss riding thunders (old gen 147s)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IHOP on August 29, 2018, 12:04:12 AM
Quote from: baustin on August 27, 2018, 09:11:27 AM
Those Krux kingpins do look nice. I swear if Thunder would do a truck with a longer baseplate and inverted kingpin I would never experience truck madness again because other than sometimes getting snagged on slides and grinds they feel perfect... I feel myself being pulled back to Venture but I wanna push through and skate a set of trucks till they die

100% agree with everything besides the inverted kingpin, even the part about being pulled towards ventures but just sticking with thunders.  When will the madness end
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on August 30, 2018, 11:25:05 AM
One of the kingpins on my Indy stage 11 is all wiggly and the area around it is cracked, trucks feel squirrelly as fuck now because of it. Was going to fork out the money for a new truck and just replace the baseplate but then I saw that skatewarehouse sells these for only like 5 bucks each: https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Independent_6_Hole_Baseplate/descpage-IN6HBPL.html
I thought it was strange that they're only 5 bucks each for such a crucial part of the truck, but I bought two and I was gonna just move the bushings, hangars and pivot cups from my current trucks over to these. Has anyone skated these before? Besides the fact that there's six holes on each is there any big difference compared to regular stage 11 standard baseplates?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on August 30, 2018, 12:21:28 PM
Quote from: Noble Experiment on August 30, 2018, 11:25:05 AM
One of the kingpins on my Indy stage 11 is all wiggly and the area around it is cracked, trucks feel squirrelly as fuck now because of it. Was going to fork out the money for a new truck and just replace the baseplate but then I saw that skatewarehouse sells these for only like 5 bucks each: https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Independent_6_Hole_Baseplate/descpage-IN6HBPL.html
I thought it was strange that they're only 5 bucks each for such a crucial part of the truck, but I bought two and I was gonna just move the bushings, hangars and pivot cups from my current trucks over to these. Has anyone skated these before? Besides the fact that there's six holes on each is there any big difference compared to regular stage 11 standard baseplates?

might as well buy new pivot cups while you are at it and save the trouble of yanking out the old ones
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on September 01, 2018, 01:37:54 PM
I just found some stage 5 or 6 Indys at my folks house. They are old school drilled. Do current base plates fit?

On a side note, also found an 87 Metallica deck that has the graphics worn completely off, and a Jason Lee American Icons deck in pretty rough condition

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on September 01, 2018, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: Noble Experiment on August 30, 2018, 11:25:05 AM
One of the kingpins on my Indy stage 11 is all wiggly and the area around it is cracked, trucks feel squirrelly as fuck now because of it. Was going to fork out the money for a new truck and just replace the baseplate but then I saw that skatewarehouse sells these for only like 5 bucks each: https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Independent_6_Hole_Baseplate/descpage-IN6HBPL.html
I thought it was strange that they're only 5 bucks each for such a crucial part of the truck, but I bought two and I was gonna just move the bushings, hangars and pivot cups from my current trucks over to these. Has anyone skated these before? Besides the fact that there's six holes on each is there any big difference compared to regular stage 11 standard baseplates?

They’re the same baseplate with just six holes in it, like you said. They don’t come with pivot cups in them so either you’ll have to use your old ones or buy new ones separately.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rip louis b.k. on September 04, 2018, 01:19:24 PM
it's fucked up, and i hate to admit it, but i saw a post about tensors and their new geometry and i'm tempted. i had a pair when i first started skating and still as a little shit i broke them, but maybe they've changed (which is what's fucked me over with my last few ex's so maybe im dead wrong). im skating some krux with stock bushings and the allen key kingpins. they grind and turn perfectly but the axle slips like no other and i run through pivot cups, and i wanna try something new. might even try ace again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: micky682 on September 05, 2018, 05:08:42 AM
My Indys keep slipping.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Thomas on September 05, 2018, 08:30:21 AM
Quote from: micky682 on September 05, 2018, 05:08:42 AM
My Indys keep slipping.

That's why I went to Aces 2 years ago.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on September 05, 2018, 12:17:41 PM
Quote from: rip louis b.k. on September 04, 2018, 01:19:24 PM
it's fucked up, and i hate to admit it, but i saw a post about tensors and their new geometry and i'm tempted. i had a pair when i first started skating and still as a little shit i broke them, but maybe they've changed (which is what's fucked me over with my last few ex's so maybe im dead wrong). im skating some krux with stock bushings and the allen key kingpins. they grind and turn perfectly but the axle slips like no other and i run through pivot cups, and i wanna try something new. might even try ace again.


They’re not bad, I got some to try out and was pretty impressed with how the magnesium grinded and how light they were. They’re a very tall truck and they tuck the wheelbase in so they didn’t work for me on my main deck (threw my fliptricks off cuz I’m used to thunder/Venture geometry) , but I got them on my girls cruiser and they’re great for that. Really deep surfy turn that you wouldn’t expect from Tensor, but they’re solid. Matte finish on the silver magnesium joints feels weird in hand tho

All in all, I’d say they’re worth a shot if you’re interested. Doesn’t hurt to have more legit truck options out there to choose from


As for myself, I’m back on my Thunders and IM STICKING TO THEM TIL THEY BREAK ON ME


(https://i.imgflip.com/2ha1zy.jpg)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on September 05, 2018, 04:19:27 PM
Holy shit, that pic is me. I spent the first 4 hours of today like " I always go back to Indy, who am I kidding ", then the next 4 like "these thunders are pretty sweet though." (Also have ventures in my arsenal). Right now I'm afraid to go in my basement where my coffee table is covered in trucks and tools
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NowhereInLife on September 05, 2018, 08:02:00 PM
Are 147 highs as tall as 48s and 49s now?

i almost started to read this thread again (i was on page 103), but then remembered that i'm good now.
#thisisnotslippage
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 06, 2018, 09:22:18 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on September 05, 2018, 12:17:41 PM


(https://i.imgflip.com/2ha1zy.jpg)

Guilty.

Quote from: fang on September 05, 2018, 04:19:27 PM
Holy shit, that pic is me. I spent the first 4 hours of today like " I always go back to Indy, who am I kidding ", then the next 4 like "these thunders are pretty sweet though." (Also have ventures in my arsenal). Right now I'm afraid to go in my basement where my coffee table is covered in trucks and tools

The OCD is real...

I've removed Indy from the equation altogether, so one down.

For me it's ACE, Theeve and Thunder....right now I'm on a thunder kick, it's the height and twitchy-ness when loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Elderly Gentleman on September 06, 2018, 10:27:37 AM
I'm a few weeks in on some Mini Logo 8.38 trucks with bones hard bushings.  Before I was riding Thunder 149 team hi's and even though it took me a few sessions to get used to the difference in how they turn and react, I've got to admit I really like them.  They seem to grind really smooth.  I had seen mixed reviews but I wanted to give em a try.  I'm glad I did.  I think I'll stick with them for a while. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on September 06, 2018, 10:38:07 AM
Quote from: Elderly Gentleman on September 06, 2018, 10:27:37 AM
I'm a few weeks in on some Mini Logo 8.38 trucks with bones hard bushings.  Before I was riding Thunder 149 team hi's and even though it took me a few sessions to get used to the difference in how they turn and react, I've got to admit I really like them.  They seem to grind really smooth.  I had seen mixed reviews but I wanted to give em a try.  I'm glad I did.  I think I'll stick with them for a while.

I had mine set up with Bones Hard for a while and the turn seemed to not be all that smooth. They were a bit too stable on center and not very surfy.  I swapped to Mediums and cranked them down a bit more.  It really helped.  I am 5'10" and 180.  Grind is really smooth. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on September 07, 2018, 01:30:34 AM
Are y’all talkin bout mini logo trucks?? They’re the only trucks besides thunders I can ride on boards bigger than 8

If I’m gonna have a 8.+ deck those are the only trucks light and stable low enough for me to get board control before it becomes a tank

Can’t decide between venture lo or my thunder hi...

I always go to reliable thunder but the ventures were decently good the time I had them on, I noticed ventures are good for krooked grinds too, got a sweet krook groove, possibly the only krook groove I’ve ever gotten on my venture lo too

Pj Ladd is my real inspiration to trying them and liking them but idk...thunders can turn and fast

Would anyone be able to check me on this but do you feel the tensor alloys/any usual generic but real quality skate trucks base their design off old indys?

I feel like the alloys really are like maybe a stage 7/8 based design

The shape and the way they turn seem like the way an old indy would
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Elderly Gentleman on September 07, 2018, 05:58:32 AM
Quote from: backinaction on September 06, 2018, 10:38:07 AM
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I'm a few weeks in on some Mini Logo 8.38 trucks with bones hard bushings.  Before I was riding Thunder 149 team hi's and even though it took me a few sessions to get used to the difference in how they turn and react, I've got to admit I really like them.  They seem to grind really smooth.  I had seen mixed reviews but I wanted to give em a try.  I'm glad I did.  I think I'll stick with them for a while.
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I had mine set up with Bones Hard for a while and the turn seemed to not be all that smooth. They were a bit too stable on center and not very surfy.  I swapped to Mediums and cranked them down a bit more.  It really helped.  I am 5'10" and 180.  Grind is really smooth.

I've got a set of broken in Mediums lying around.  I may put them in and see if it's even better.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on September 07, 2018, 06:22:21 AM
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For me it's ACE, Theeve and Thunder....right now I'm on a thunder kick, it's the height and twitchy-ness when loose.


How do Theeves compare on turnyness? Don't they shrink the WB?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on September 07, 2018, 07:15:28 AM
Quote from: Willie on September 07, 2018, 06:22:21 AM
How do Theeves compare on turnyness? Don't they shrink the WB?
Imagine if you took ACEs and Thunders and mashed them together to get a surfy turn that is stable on center. Doesn't extend your wb like thunders do either, which is a plus for shortys like me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 07, 2018, 08:53:01 AM
Quote from: Firebert on September 07, 2018, 07:15:28 AM
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Imagine if you took ACEs and Thunders and mashed them together to get a surfy turn that is stable on center. Doesn't extend your wb like thunders do either, which is a plus for shortys like me.

Beat me to the post!

Whenever I get truck OCD, flopping between Thunder and ACE, I throw on my Theeves and it goes away.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on September 07, 2018, 11:44:30 AM
Quote from: Xen on September 07, 2018, 08:53:01 AM
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How do Theeves compare on turnyness? Don't they shrink the WB?
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Imagine if you took ACEs and Thunders and mashed them together to get a surfy turn that is stable on center. Doesn't extend your wb like thunders do either, which is a plus for shortys like me.
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Beat me to the post!

Whenever I get truck OCD, flopping between Thunder and ACE, I throw on my Theeves and it goes away.

Sometimes I think Theeves would be the answer to all of my truck woes, but their branding/marketing puts me off. It's dumb, but I just wouldn't feel "cool" with them on my board. Anyway I finally got some Krux kingpins to go into my Thunders, which I'm pretty excited about. I'm gonna grind them to the axle if it kills me...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 07, 2018, 01:18:08 PM
Quote from: baustin on September 07, 2018, 11:44:30 AM
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How do Theeves compare on turnyness? Don't they shrink the WB?
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Imagine if you took ACEs and Thunders and mashed them together to get a surfy turn that is stable on center. Doesn't extend your wb like thunders do either, which is a plus for shortys like me.
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Beat me to the post!

Whenever I get truck OCD, flopping between Thunder and ACE, I throw on my Theeves and it goes away.
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Sometimes I think Theeves would be the answer to all of my truck woes, but their branding/marketing puts me off. It's dumb, but I just wouldn't feel "cool" with them on my board. Anyway I finally got some Krux kingpins to go into my Thunders, which I'm pretty excited about. I'm gonna grind them to the axle if it kills me...

I feel you, but at some point you just have to say fuck it if it works; I'd ride a darkstar board if they came out with the exact shape/dimensions of the deck I want (and can't find). Theeves are great and underrated for the reasons you cite. They turn great, are light, grind great (don't get the ti), stable on center and are lower than the 55mm they state...what's not to love (once you get over the shitty name, bad logo and ugly hanger design? ;)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on September 07, 2018, 02:56:08 PM
Quote from: baustin on September 07, 2018, 11:44:30 AM
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How do Theeves compare on turnyness? Don't they shrink the WB?
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Imagine if you took ACEs and Thunders and mashed them together to get a surfy turn that is stable on center. Doesn't extend your wb like thunders do either, which is a plus for shortys like me.
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Beat me to the post!

Whenever I get truck OCD, flopping between Thunder and ACE, I throw on my Theeves and it goes away.
[close]

Sometimes I think Theeves would be the answer to all of my truck woes, but their branding/marketing puts me off. It's dumb, but I just wouldn't feel "cool" with them on my board. Anyway I finally got some Krux kingpins to go into my Thunders, which I'm pretty excited about. I'm gonna grind them to the axle if it kills me...


Haha yeah, honestly if marketing/brand relevance was a non-factor (let’s be honest, it always is) I could probably be a Theeve lifer. Anytime I go back to them there’s little to no adjustment period for me skating-wise, they always feel natural. If they had forged baseplates or even hollowed out their cast ones ala thunder, I couldn’t give you a legit reason why I’d personally skate anything else but alas, that DLX marketing and seeing all my favorites riding thunders or ventures (as compared to Moose, Brandon Turner, & Hoffart w/ Theeve) pulls me back in every time. They are definitely great trucks and deserve much more relevance in the Truck game IMO. Even if I’m not currently skating them at the time, I’ll always vouche for em 100%
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on September 08, 2018, 11:33:20 AM
sort of off topic here but i have a pair of defective thunders and i emailed thunder 3 days ago and have yet to hear back. is there a better way to get in touch with them?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on September 08, 2018, 02:01:56 PM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on September 08, 2018, 11:33:20 AM
sort of off topic here but i have a pair of defective thunders and i emailed thunder 3 days ago and have yet to hear back. is there a better way to get in touch with them?
Try to dm mattdlx maybe?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on September 09, 2018, 06:55:07 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on September 07, 2018, 02:56:08 PM
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Imagine if you took ACEs and Thunders and mashed them together to get a surfy turn that is stable on center. Doesn't extend your wb like thunders do either, which is a plus for shortys like me.
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Beat me to the post!

Whenever I get truck OCD, flopping between Thunder and ACE, I throw on my Theeves and it goes away.
[close]

Sometimes I think Theeves would be the answer to all of my truck woes, but their branding/marketing puts me off. It's dumb, but I just wouldn't feel "cool" with them on my board. Anyway I finally got some Krux kingpins to go into my Thunders, which I'm pretty excited about. I'm gonna grind them to the axle if it kills me...
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Haha yeah, honestly if marketing/brand relevance was a non-factor (let’s be honest, it always is) I could probably be a Theeve lifer. Anytime I go back to them there’s little to no adjustment period for me skating-wise, they always feel natural. If they had forged baseplates or even hollowed out their cast ones ala thunder, I couldn’t give you a legit reason why I’d personally skate anything else but alas, that DLX marketing and seeing all my favorites riding thunders or ventures (as compared to Moose, Brandon Turner, & Hoffart w/ Theeve) pulls me back in every time. They are definitely great trucks and deserve much more relevance in the Truck game IMO. Even if I’m not currently skating them at the time, I’ll always vouche for em 100%

Yeah I’d try Theeve out if they removed their name off the hanger and baseplate and left everything blank. Would basically just look like an Indy stage 7 knockoff hanger that’s made in China. I’d live with it, just can’t live with the model identifier on that hanger, the company name and logo on the baseplate. It’s abhorrent.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on September 10, 2018, 12:04:41 PM
I've mentioned it a few times but I skated Theeve's for a year straight and was incredibly happy with them.  No complaints whatsoever and then the kingpins started falling out of the baseplates.  I had it happen to 3 pairs and I just had to give up and move on.

That's when my truck madness started.  I'm always searching for the same feel Theeves give but no other company has it.  Almost bought a pair over the weekend to try them again but ended up getting some Venture 5.8's
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 10, 2018, 09:13:34 PM
Yah....theeves deserve to be in the same convo as the main three truck co's plus ACE.  You get a good turning radius, but lower height...decent quality. 

But yah...the team and marketing suck....

Right now I'm into thunders...the only complaint I have is that all the generator boards I've been skating tend to have the 14 3/8ths wheelbase...so thunders make the wheelbase seem huge.

If I was skating a PS board they'd maybe set up a bit better....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 10, 2018, 10:24:50 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 10, 2018, 09:13:34 PM
Yah....theeves deserve to be in the same convo as the main three truck co's plus ACE.  You get a good turning radius, but lower height...decent quality. 

But yah...the team and marketing suck....

Right now I'm into thunders...the only complaint I have is that all the generator boards I've been skating tend to have the 14 3/8ths wheelbase...so thunders make the wheelbase seem huge.

If I was skating a PS board they'd maybe set up a bit better....

That's my preferred wheelbase if I can find it when riding ACE or Theeve, it just feels good; better to me, than a 14.25" WB with Thunders. Sometimes I like the more neutral stance ACE/Theeve/Indy give you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on September 10, 2018, 11:03:53 PM
I really liked theeve for the turn response and especially the grind but idk, they don’t grind as smooth as they use to when they had the v2 with the bushing lip problem

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on September 11, 2018, 02:50:08 PM
Quote from: baustin on September 07, 2018, 11:44:30 AM
I just wouldn't feel "cool" with them on my board...
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on September 07, 2018, 02:56:08 PM
if marketing/brand relevance was a non-factor (let’s be honest, it always is) I could probably be a Theeve lifer
Quote from: Diocletian on September 09, 2018, 06:55:07 PM
just can’t live with the model identifier on that hanger, the company name and logo on the baseplate
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 10, 2018, 09:13:34 PM
But yah...the team and marketing suck....
So sad to hear you're all bound by the perceptions of others...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 11, 2018, 04:26:58 PM
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I just wouldn't feel "cool" with them on my board...
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if marketing/brand relevance was a non-factor (let’s be honest, it always is) I could probably be a Theeve lifer
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Quote from: Diocletian on September 09, 2018, 06:55:07 PM
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just can’t live with the model identifier on that hanger, the company name and logo on the baseplate
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But yah...the team and marketing suck....
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So sad to hear you're all bound by the perceptions of others...

Funny, I could not care less about who rides for what 'team' as pop, shape, durability, turn/height/weight, size, shape, duro, grip, slide are all that really matters. As for looks, Indy's yoke is the fugliest and most bloated on the market
 
Sizing up so while trying to figure out what trucks to ride I decided to just pick up some 8.5" Tiax to throw on my tiking plates and be done with it.

Quote from: rob on September 10, 2018, 11:03:53 PM
I really liked theeve for the turn response and especially the grind but idk, they don’t grind as smooth as they use to when they had the v2 with the bushing lip problem

They claim nothing changed but having ridden V1/V2/V3, the V1/v2 turned and grinded better. The metal was also a bit darker, tho that could have been due to casting; I loved the V2 and rode loose enough to not have bushing blow out.

The last pair of TiHs I rode (bones softs) felt quicker than the V3 (bones softs) in turning as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1UR2liXgFw
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on September 11, 2018, 10:05:10 PM
Quote from: Firebert on September 11, 2018, 02:50:08 PM
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I just wouldn't feel "cool" with them on my board...
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if marketing/brand relevance was a non-factor (let’s be honest, it always is) I could probably be a Theeve lifer
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Quote from: Diocletian on September 09, 2018, 06:55:07 PM
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just can’t live with the model identifier on that hanger, the company name and logo on the baseplate
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But yah...the team and marketing suck....
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So sad to hear you're all bound by the perceptions of others...

For me it’s not even that, it’s more a matter of wanting to be excited about the gear I’m riding. The vast majority of my favorite pros skate thunders and I like their webclips, so it’s hard not to gravitate towards them. When’s the last time you got hyped to skate off a Theeve webclip?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on September 12, 2018, 06:51:24 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on September 11, 2018, 10:05:10 PM
For me it’s not even that, it’s more a matter of wanting to be excited about the gear I’m riding. The vast majority of my favorite pros skate thunders and I like their webclips, so it’s hard not to gravitate towards them. When’s the last time you got hyped to skate off a Theeve webclip?
Any clip that is Bastien gets me hyped, but I don't translate the hype I get from watching people rip to wanting their trucks. I know what thunders, indys, aces feel like. Seeing someone rip with them doesn't change the way they feel under my board. However, if one of those major companies designed a truck with an oval yoke, I'd be on that shit ASAP.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on September 13, 2018, 01:14:07 PM
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just can’t live with the model identifier on that hanger, the company name and logo on the baseplate
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But yah...the team and marketing suck....
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So sad to hear you're all bound by the perceptions of others...
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For me it’s not even that, it’s more a matter of wanting to be excited about the gear I’m riding.

Exactly. Has nothing to do with anyone else’s perception. It’s about the aesthetic of the truck and getting stoked on it. I don’t care how good a truck turns or grinds, if I don’t like the way it looks or the name, I’m not gonna ride it. May sound stupid to someone else but for me it’s perfectly normal. Ace trucks have always been my favorite look, even their logo/slogan/shirt artwork, and thankfully they also happen to have the best geometry.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on September 14, 2018, 03:03:48 AM
Does anyone here refuse to ride painted/coloured trucks ?

That shit drives me nuts and I can't do it, I don't know why.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on September 14, 2018, 09:03:15 AM
Tried running Krux downlow kingpins in my Thunders and ended up not digging it. If anyone wants to buy em off me send me a PM.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Smartass on September 14, 2018, 09:36:28 AM
Quote from: TheBoognish on September 14, 2018, 03:03:48 AM
Does anyone here refuse to ride painted/coloured trucks ?

That shit drives me nuts and I can't do it, I don't know why.

When I first started skating, I did primarily use colored trucks. Then when I got back into it, pretty much raw only, but now a days I really don't care. I'll go for raw if its available, but if it's significantly cheaper and/or the size is the way I want, then I'll grabbed the colored set.

If the color/graphic is really shitty you can always just strip it off anyways.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 14, 2018, 11:25:56 AM
Quote from: baustin on September 14, 2018, 09:03:15 AM
Tried running Krux downlow kingpins in my Thunders and ended up not digging it. If anyone wants to buy em off me send me a PM.

It's working good for me.  What happened? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on September 14, 2018, 01:14:04 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 14, 2018, 11:25:56 AM
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It's working good for me.  What happened?

I wasn't able to adjust them with the trucks on, due to the kingpin nut slipping. That was weird because I thought I read in a thread on here somewhere the Thunder baseplate would hold the nut but mine didn't. I also had a weird phantom creak sound/feeling when I turned deep with them which could've been bushings, washer, or pivot cup related, but it doesn't happen with the stock kingpins. I put my stock kingpins back in and tightened them where I like them then took a metal file to the nuts where they had been catching, and I'm satisfied with that for now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on September 14, 2018, 02:35:55 PM
Swapped the thunders for some Ventures.  Had a horrible first session yesterday.  Hopefully today is better

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1873/43773937635_636676904a_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hey pickle on September 15, 2018, 01:56:57 AM
thinking of making the same move ^

feel like id just got back to thunders though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on September 15, 2018, 05:40:23 AM
I had to get used to the way my board popped with my ventures, and the first day or two was terrible. Once I got used to it I feel in love. However I'm having my semiannual truck crisis and I am thinking about pulling the trigger on some 33 Aces.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on September 15, 2018, 06:08:36 AM
Quote from: Bizarro Jerry on September 15, 2018, 05:40:23 AM
I had to get used to the way my board popped with my ventures, and the first day or two was terrible. Once I got used to it I feel in love. However I'm having my semiannual truck crisis and I am thinking about pulling the trigger on some 33 Aces.

I had a really good session on them yesterday.  They are great in the mini bowl and super stable on manuals.  My pop is higher but harder to control if that makes sense.

They straight up turn amazingly well.  Very surfy in the bowl.  I'm going to stick with them for a while but I'm not getting rid of my thunders yet
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 15, 2018, 10:30:45 AM
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Tried running Krux downlow kingpins in my Thunders and ended up not digging it. If anyone wants to buy em off me send me a PM.
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It's working good for me.  What happened?
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I wasn't able to adjust them with the trucks on, due to the kingpin nut slipping. That was weird because I thought I read in a thread on here somewhere the Thunder baseplate would hold the nut but mine didn't. I also had a weird phantom creak sound/feeling when I turned deep with them which could've been bushings, washer, or pivot cup related, but it doesn't happen with the stock kingpins. I put my stock kingpins back in and tightened them where I like them then took a metal file to the nuts where they had been catching, and I'm satisfied with that for now.

Yah they spin for sure....and it's true once you start messing around shits a bit different.  I was just annoyed how quickly you start smashing your kingpin on thunders. 



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: kentrock on September 15, 2018, 04:35:37 PM
indy 144 with soft indy busings in back, 149 with stock bushings in front, ride like a dream
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shripshrapper on September 15, 2018, 04:56:02 PM
Quote from: Bizarro Jerry on September 15, 2018, 05:40:23 AM
I had to get used to the way my board popped with my ventures, and the first day or two was terrible. Once I got used to it I feel in love. However I'm having my semiannual truck crisis and I am thinking about pulling the trigger on some 33 Aces.

I've been thinking about ventures for almost a year now.. But I just finally got settled on indy-pop, I don't think I can handle that stress right now. Those axles look pretty far to the front :o
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pauline_handsome on September 21, 2018, 10:26:49 PM
thunder 149 highs with bones black hard bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hey pickle on September 22, 2018, 03:28:25 AM
i know this is most likely been asked and answered but i cant find it - do krux bushings fit ib venture highs???

just bought the raw 5.2 highs and not keen on the stock bushings

thanks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on September 22, 2018, 04:10:59 AM
Quote from: hey pickle on September 22, 2018, 03:28:25 AM
i know this is most likely been asked and answered but i cant find it - do krux bushings fit ib venture highs???

just bought the raw 5.2 highs and not keen on the stock bushings

thanks

No idea about Krux but Indy bushings are an exact fit on Venture highs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on September 23, 2018, 08:22:20 PM
You know what’s crazy, my 148 thunder titanium’s are lighter than my 145 lights

I guess titanium isn’t a gimmick in the skate world
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hangontoyourego on September 23, 2018, 08:56:31 PM
Quote from: Roisto on September 22, 2018, 04:10:59 AM
Quote from: hey pickle on September 22, 2018, 03:28:25 AM
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i know this is most likely been asked and answered but i cant find it - do krux bushings fit ib venture highs???

just bought the raw 5.2 highs and not keen on the stock bushings

thanks
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No idea about Krux but Indy bushings are an exact fit on Venture highs.

I just got dlx bushings  for my ventures highs . I like em but prob take the bottom washer off
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on September 25, 2018, 01:54:43 PM
just wondering, has anyone tried Indy 144’s on an 8”? I only skate 8” but want a wider truck, but don’t wanna waste the money if they are too wide.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on September 25, 2018, 01:59:48 PM
Quote from: TFUCKINA on September 25, 2018, 01:54:43 PM
just wondering, has anyone tried Indy 144’s on an 8”? I only skate 8” but want a wider truck, but don’t wanna waste the money if they are too wide.

that will definitely be fine. i know people that skate 149s on an 8
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 25, 2018, 08:14:52 PM
This is the truck thread for chrissakes.....they set up perfectly if the 8 is 8.25.....another way it would work is if you skate with both testicles outside of your pants......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on September 26, 2018, 12:33:51 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 25, 2018, 08:14:52 PM
This is the truck thread for chrissakes.....they set up perfectly if the 8 is 8.25.....another way it would work is if you skate with both testicles outside of your pants......

Haha true, but this is skateboarding where guys who haven’t grown out of the early 2000’s who might rip are riding 7.6/7.8 trucks on an 8/8.25 and still backing brands that aren’t relevant and outdated like lucky bearings and destructo trucks

So I mean, as long as your not hot doggin it like a crazy long board I think your safe
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UK TM on September 26, 2018, 03:03:59 PM
https://www.routeone.co.uk/latest/thunder-titanium-lights-147-high-team-trucks-3.htm

£100/$130 for trucks!!! Do these things do the tricks for you? Insane!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on September 26, 2018, 05:35:20 PM
Ask your team riders, you cunt.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NJFly318 on September 26, 2018, 05:48:27 PM
Quote from: hey pickle on September 22, 2018, 03:28:25 AM
i know this is most likely been asked and answered but i cant find it - do krux bushings fit ib venture highs???

just bought the raw 5.2 highs and not keen on the stock bushings

thanks



I ride Venture 5.8 highs with Indy white super soft bushings, great feel and smooth turn. They are inexpensive and easy to find.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hangontoyourego on September 26, 2018, 07:21:37 PM
Quote from: NJFly318 on September 26, 2018, 05:48:27 PM
Quote from: hey pickle on September 22, 2018, 03:28:25 AM
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i know this is most likely been asked and answered but i cant find it - do krux bushings fit ib venture highs???

just bought the raw 5.2 highs and not keen on the stock bushings

thanks


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I ride Venture 5.8 highs with Indy white super soft bushings, great feel and smooth turn. They are inexpensive and easy to find.

I just got the dlx bushings for my venture highs but the Indy ones are prob easier to fine
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Horsemeat on September 26, 2018, 08:02:02 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on September 14, 2018, 02:35:55 PM
Swapped the thunders for some Ventures.  Had a horrible first session yesterday.  Hopefully today is better

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1873/43773937635_636676904a_z.jpg)

Do the ventures have the same noseslide/tailslide issue with the baseplate as the thunders do? Is that really an issue?

Venture has some of my current favorites, Yaje popson and Max garson, on the team, so I'm a little curious. I really like thunders though, out of all the trucks I've tried.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on September 26, 2018, 08:35:38 PM
Quote from: Horsemeat on September 26, 2018, 08:02:02 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on September 14, 2018, 02:35:55 PM
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Swapped the thunders for some Ventures.  Had a horrible first session yesterday.  Hopefully today is better

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1873/43773937635_636676904a_z.jpg)
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Do the ventures have the same noseslide/tailslide issue with the baseplate as the thunders do? Is that really an issue?

Venture has some of my current favorites, Yaje popson and Max garson, on the team, so I'm a little curious. I really like thunders though, out of all the trucks I've tried.

The baseplate extends out in the same way Indy's does
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hey pickle on September 27, 2018, 04:50:26 AM
yup just as i imagined, copped venture 5.8 raws and not feeling em. need indys..

£40 posted if anyones interested. one session, barely any marks on em. can send pics
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on September 27, 2018, 04:58:46 AM
Quote from: hey pickle on September 27, 2018, 04:50:26 AM
yup just as i imagined, copped venture 5.8 raws and not feeling em. need indys..

£40 posted if anyones interested. one session, barely any marks on em. can send pics

I suggest giving them a few sessions.  I'm glad I didn't toss mine after the first horrible session
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hangontoyourego on September 27, 2018, 07:15:07 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on September 27, 2018, 04:58:46 AM
Quote from: hey pickle on September 27, 2018, 04:50:26 AM
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yup just as i imagined, copped venture 5.8 raws and not feeling em. need indys..

£40 posted if anyones interested. one session, barely any marks on em. can send pics
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I suggest giving them a few sessions.  I'm glad I didn't toss mine after the first horrible session

Yeah man don’t just toss em , give it a few sessions . My buddy is always changing it up and nvr happy . I’m always like you’ll get used to it . New trucks new & new bushings gotta break em in . Don’t give up !
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on September 27, 2018, 09:28:16 AM
The noseslide/tailside "issue" with Thunders is really not an issue. I was letting it bother me for a while but it's been exaggerated on here a lot I think. I noseslide and tailslide with Thunders just fine. It mostly depends on the shape/texture of the ledge and your technique whether you're gonna slide or stick.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hey pickle on September 27, 2018, 09:42:16 AM
Quote from: hangontoyourego on September 27, 2018, 07:15:07 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on September 27, 2018, 04:58:46 AM
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Quote from: hey pickle on September 27, 2018, 04:50:26 AM
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yup just as i imagined, copped venture 5.8 raws and not feeling em. need indys..

£40 posted if anyones interested. one session, barely any marks on em. can send pics
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I suggest giving them a few sessions.  I'm glad I didn't toss mine after the first horrible session
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Yeah man don’t just toss em , give it a few sessions . My buddy is always changing it up and nvr happy . I’m always like you’ll get used to it . New trucks new & new bushings gotta break em in . Don’t give up !

youre right dudes, ill keep with em. thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on September 27, 2018, 10:24:33 AM
Also worth trying taking the bottom washer off if you like them really loose. I think hangontoyourego suggested that to me in the set up thread. Tried it out with Indy super soft bushings and it’s fucking awesome. Still not sure if I’d like them on transition but the on the street they’re pretty damn nice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hangontoyourego on September 27, 2018, 11:06:40 AM
Quote from: Roisto on September 27, 2018, 10:24:33 AM
Also worth trying taking the bottom washer off if you like them really loose. I think hangontoyourego suggested that to me in the set up thread. Tried it out with Indy super soft bushings and it’s fucking awesome. Still not sure if I’d like them on transition but the on the street they’re pretty damn nice.

Yes ! Taking the bottom washer off is the way to go . The Indy white bushings are the way to go .
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on September 27, 2018, 02:29:37 PM
i've always skated without a bottom washer but i wonder if it's bad for the pivot cups as it puts the hanger in a position such that it digs into them. anyway, i'm not sure it matters since i've had the same blown out pivot cups for a while and it doesn't affect performance. although maybe they'll last longer otherwise
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on September 28, 2018, 12:21:43 AM
Quote from: anon on September 27, 2018, 02:29:37 PM
i've always skated without a bottom washer but i wonder if it's bad for the pivot cups as it puts the hanger in a position such that it digs into them. anyway, i'm not sure it matters since i've had the same blown out pivot cups for a while and it doesn't affect performance. although maybe they'll last longer otherwise

Probably would be better to shave down the top bushing as much as the bottom washer is thick but that’s a lot more work than getting rid of the bottom washer. 🤔
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on September 28, 2018, 12:51:40 AM
Quote from: Roisto on September 28, 2018, 12:21:43 AM
Probably would be better to shave down the top bushing as much as the bottom washer is thick but that’s a lot more work than getting rid of the bottom washer. 🤔
yeah, that takes ages and i think it makes your trucks squeak because dirt can cling on easier to the sanded down surface -- fuck that
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 28, 2018, 04:33:32 PM
Quote from: anon on September 28, 2018, 12:51:40 AM
Quote from: Roisto on September 28, 2018, 12:21:43 AM
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Probably would be better to shave down the top bushing as much as the bottom washer is thick but that’s a lot more work than getting rid of the bottom washer.
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yeah, that takes ages and i think it makes your trucks squeak because dirt can cling on easier to the sanded down surface -- fuck that

Uh, no.

How loose do ride to get dirt on the top or bottom of your bushings? Bombing dirt trails with no washers?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on September 28, 2018, 05:29:44 PM
I had my monthly truck crisis the other day and switched back to my forged Thunder 147s from my Venture 5.2 highs and holy shit I can't stand Thunders. The turn on them is great and all, it's just that I am wholly incapable of doing any nose/tailslide on them due to the tiny little baseplate. Switched back to my Ventures w/ Indy super soft bushings (the white ones) and I'm not looking back to thunders any time soon.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on September 28, 2018, 06:21:01 PM
Quote from: Xen on September 28, 2018, 04:33:32 PM
Quote from: anon on September 28, 2018, 12:51:40 AM
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Quote from: Roisto on September 28, 2018, 12:21:43 AM
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Probably would be better to shave down the top bushing as much as the bottom washer is thick but that’s a lot more work than getting rid of the bottom washer. 🤔
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yeah, that takes ages and i think it makes your trucks squeak because dirt can cling on easier to the sanded down surface -- fuck that
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Uh, no.

How loose do ride to get dirt on your  bushings? Bombing dirt trails with no washers?
i meant debris, like the stuff that can get in your bearings. i think i read somewhere that the debris rubbing around is what causes the squeaking
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: eight two fives on September 28, 2018, 10:55:03 PM
Quote from: anon on September 28, 2018, 06:21:01 PM
Quote from: Xen on September 28, 2018, 04:33:32 PM
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Quote from: anon on September 28, 2018, 12:51:40 AM
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Quote from: Roisto on September 28, 2018, 12:21:43 AM
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Probably would be better to shave down the top bushing as much as the bottom washer is thick but that’s a lot more work than getting rid of the bottom washer. 🤔
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yeah, that takes ages and i think it makes your trucks squeak because dirt can cling on easier to the sanded down surface -- fuck that
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Uh, no.

How loose do ride to get dirt on your  bushings? Bombing dirt trails with no washers?
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i meant debris, like the stuff that can get in your bearings. i think i read somewhere that the debris rubbing around is what causes the squeaking
It’s ok, 40 year olds who haven’t skated outside of a pristine park for the last decade don’t remember what the streets do to boards.

You’re still wrong though. They squeak brand new and clean too. It’s just friction, the plastic against the metal.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 29, 2018, 07:49:18 AM
Explain why hand soap makes it better? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: eight two fives on September 29, 2018, 09:40:13 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 29, 2018, 07:49:18 AM
Explain why hand soap makes it better?
Because it acts as a lubricant, reducing friction between the metal and plastic?

😂 you think you use soap to clean?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on September 29, 2018, 01:31:15 PM
I think I finally found my holy grail. Krux 8.5 with the new Ace bushings.

Ace absolutely nailed it with this bushing combo (86a bottom, 91a top). It's like whole new trucks, smoothest turn ever, soft but solid. Imagine Ace's but the last 20% of the turn got progressively harder. So still not a super sharp turn, but very little wheel bite and amazing feel. They were slightly taller than the stock bushings so I think that's playing a big part (I had to use the Ace washers or they lipped out). Highly recommended for Krux users.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 29, 2018, 05:29:11 PM
Of course....for every ten ace with krux, there will be one krux w. ace.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: os89 on September 29, 2018, 07:46:34 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 29, 2018, 07:49:18 AM
Explain why hand soap makes it better?

Shave it up and put it in between all your bushings and pivot cup. I did this to my latest Indy's. Hate that squeak.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IHOP on September 29, 2018, 08:34:47 PM
Quote from: Bizarro Jerry on September 28, 2018, 05:29:44 PM
I had my monthly truck crisis the other day and switched back to my forged Thunder 147s from my Venture 5.2 highs and holy shit I can't stand Thunders. The turn on them is great and all, it's just that I am wholly incapable of doing any nose/tailslide on them due to the tiny little baseplate. Switched back to my Ventures w/ Indy super soft bushings (the white ones) and I'm not looking back to thunders any time soon.

I had this same issue so I skated a homies board for awhile, with indys, and honestly didnt feel much difference with tailslides, i think its just mental, your wheels are gonna be on it no matter what.  My biggest problem was wheelbite which I just put risers on for and after a little getting used to I really like.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on September 30, 2018, 08:15:32 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 29, 2018, 05:29:11 PM
Of course....for every ten ace with krux, there will be one krux w. ace.....

It's the bushings. I bet they would work great in a lot of trucks. I have the Ace V3 on my other setup and I like them a lot (especially the turn), but the weight and wheel base of the Krux are better for me now that they turn the way they do.

People still rockin' Krux bushings in the Ace V3?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 30, 2018, 10:23:06 AM
Quote from: eight two fives on September 29, 2018, 09:40:13 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 29, 2018, 07:49:18 AM
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Explain why hand soap makes it better?
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Because it acts as a lubricant, reducing friction between the metal and plastic?

😂 you think you use soap to clean?

Explain why coconut oil makes me look so youthful.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AngryBlackMan on September 30, 2018, 10:35:55 AM
I've been skating a pair of Theeve Tiax with a hollow kingpin for the last couple weeks and I really like them. First truck I've been able to feel stable on with stock (bones mediums) bushings.  I'm a big dude and I normally switch to hard bushings before I even set them up. I have them on a board with a 14.75wb and they feel better than anything I tried lately (Indy 149, thunder 149 hollow lights, mini logo).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: eight two fives on September 30, 2018, 02:17:34 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 30, 2018, 10:23:06 AM
Quote from: eight two fives on September 29, 2018, 09:40:13 AM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on September 29, 2018, 07:49:18 AM
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Explain why hand soap makes it better?
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Because it acts as a lubricant, reducing friction between the metal and plastic?

😂 you think you use soap to clean?
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Explain why coconut oil makes me look so youthful.....
That’s not a youthful appearance, you’re just greasy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on October 01, 2018, 02:31:03 AM
Quote from: eight two fives on September 30, 2018, 02:17:34 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 30, 2018, 10:23:06 AM
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Quote from: eight two fives on September 29, 2018, 09:40:13 AM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on September 29, 2018, 07:49:18 AM
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Explain why hand soap makes it better?
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Because it acts as a lubricant, reducing friction between the metal and plastic?

😂 you think you use soap to clean?
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Explain why coconut oil makes me look so youthful.....
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That’s not a youthful appearance, you’re just greasy.
Since using coconut oil I have never looked better.
(https://i.imgur.com/Gj6gHngl.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on October 02, 2018, 09:44:45 AM
Don't suppose anyone knows if the hangers from a Venture 5.8 Hi truck fit on the forged 5.2 Hi baseplate ok? Case I ever want to size up (a bit).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on October 02, 2018, 10:21:47 AM
Quote from: drinny on October 02, 2018, 09:44:45 AM
Don't suppose anyone knows if the hangers from a Venture 5.8 Hi truck fit on the forged 5.2 Hi baseplate ok? Case I ever want to size up (a bit).

Same baseplates.  no fitment issues
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 02, 2018, 02:14:43 PM
Quote from: AngryBlackMan on September 30, 2018, 10:35:55 AM
I've been skating a pair of Theeve Tiax with a hollow kingpin for the last couple weeks and I really like them. First truck I've been able to feel stable on with stock (bones mediums) bushings.  I'm a big dude and I normally switch to hard bushings before I even set them up. I have them on a board with a 14.75wb and they feel better than anything I tried lately (Indy 149, thunder 149 hollow lights, mini logo).

Really? Usually mini logo and thunder do it for me with big type boards

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AngryBlackMan on October 03, 2018, 04:42:28 PM
Quote from: rob on October 02, 2018, 02:14:43 PM
Quote from: AngryBlackMan on September 30, 2018, 10:35:55 AM
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I've been skating a pair of Theeve Tiax with a hollow kingpin for the last couple weeks and I really like them. First truck I've been able to feel stable on with stock (bones mediums) bushings.  I'm a big dude and I normally switch to hard bushings before I even set them up. I have them on a board with a 14.75wb and they feel better than anything I tried lately (Indy 149, thunder 149 hollow lights, mini logo).
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Really? Usually mini logo and thunder do it for me with big type boards

I felt like I had to use risers with the minilogos no matter what wheel size I used. They felt good but I liked the thunders better and I wanted an 8.5 truck.  The theeves I tried on a whim. I feel more stable without having to run  hard bushings or tighter trucks. And they turn great. I wouldn't run them on anything shorter than 14.5 though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 03, 2018, 07:00:44 PM
Quote from: AngryBlackMan on October 03, 2018, 04:42:28 PM
Quote from: rob on October 02, 2018, 02:14:43 PM
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I've been skating a pair of Theeve Tiax with a hollow kingpin for the last couple weeks and I really like them. First truck I've been able to feel stable on with stock (bones mediums) bushings.  I'm a big dude and I normally switch to hard bushings before I even set them up. I have them on a board with a 14.75wb and they feel better than anything I tried lately (Indy 149, thunder 149 hollow lights, mini logo).
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Really? Usually mini logo and thunder do it for me with big type boards
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I felt like I had to use risers with the minilogos no matter what wheel size I used. They felt good but I liked the thunders better and I wanted an 8.5 truck.  The theeves I tried on a whim. I feel more stable without having to run  hard bushings or tighter trucks. And they turn great. I wouldn't run them on anything shorter than 14.5 though.

Yeah last time I tried theeves again they felt like more shrunk in aces

I use to run the old v2 with a bushing setup  where the height of the truck was lower and I loved it but idk about the new geo

Haven’t tried any crazy bushing setups cause the kingpin got longer or something and no Bushings but the stock white bones knock offs fit right

I did like throwing the bones hards in but after a few days I realize nothing beats the feel of classic ole 100% urethane bushings

The bones are nice on rebound and quickness but man they do not for the life of me have stability

That plastic insert doesn’t help me much 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on October 04, 2018, 04:23:26 AM
i've been using indy 159s with 90a conical independent bushings with top washer on back, no washers on front, and an upsidedown kingpin nut on front . there was little to no break in period and the rebound felt really nice. you could get a deep turn without wheelbiting and the turning radius was noticeably tighter than stock bushings without a bottom washer setup.

when i bought these, i thought they were going to be too hard so i bought 88a conicals aswell, thinking they were going to be, you know? softer.

so i put them on my 169s with the exact same setting. i've been riding them for a week, and they still don't feel broken in. the rebound is horrendous. in fact they dont rebound at all. they almost feel plasticky. they feel harder also, but wheelbite easier. sounds impossible but it's how it feels to me.

now, this could be because i'm riding 169s instead of 159s and i'm also using a board with a bit more shallow concave than what i rode my 159s on. but, this board has a shorter wheel base. i just don't think these factors are what made the bushings feel so shitty. i also tried taking the top washer off but it still feels like shit. has anybody else had this experience? is 88a lower quality urethane? are any other durometers like this?

side note: do the 78a ones feel most like the stock bushings? 88a barrel bottoms were way too hard.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 04, 2018, 09:27:59 AM
Quote from: I AM on October 04, 2018, 04:23:26 AM
i've been using indy 159s with 90a conical independent bushings with top washer on back, no washers on front, and an upsidedown kingpin nut on front . there was little to no break in period and the rebound felt really nice. you could get a deep turn without wheelbiting and the turning radius was noticeably tighter than stock bushings without a bottom washer setup.

when i bought these, i thought they were going to be too hard so i bought 88a conicals aswell, thinking they were going to be, you know? softer.

so i put them on my 169s with the exact same setting. i've been riding them for a week, and they still don't feel broken in. the rebound is horrendous. in fact they dont rebound at all. they almost feel plasticky. they feel harder also, but wheelbite easier. sounds impossible but it's how it feels to me.

now, this could be because i'm riding 169s instead of 159s and i'm also using a board with a bit more shallow concave than what i rode my 159s on. but, this board has a shorter wheel base. i just don't think these factors are what made the bushings feel so shitty. i also tried taking the top washer off but it still feels like shit. has anybody else had this experience? is 88a lower quality urethane? are any other durometers like this?

side note: do the 78a ones feel most like the stock bushings? 88a barrel bottoms were way too hard.

I remember reading somewhere that the Stage XI work best with cylinder bottoms, design-wise to prevent wheebite.

The 88a cyl/con are the best they make IMO if you like to ride loose - they do take a long time to break in.

The stocks are supposedly 90/92a or something but I find them softer and shittier.

Also, flat washers all around if I use them at all, the purpose of the cupwashers is all but useless in this day and age.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on October 04, 2018, 09:55:56 AM
I've read somewhere (sure it's here) that stocks are 88a, but made in a shitty urethane to make sure you'll buy aftermarket ones
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on October 05, 2018, 04:22:53 PM
I know most of you guys hate bones in Indys because they break, change the truck’s geometry etc... but this guy is 100% correct. Do what he says and your new trucks will feel like you been skating them for weeks.



http://www.instagram.com/p/Bh15F5JFU43/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1qso8j0yj2b8f
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 06, 2018, 12:25:45 AM
I realized what matters to picking a truck for more experienced skaters is

What kind of geo you prefer(more turnability or stability/staying centered)

Height(high or low obviously)

Weight

Weight kinda doesn’t matter but it legit does help
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shripshrapper on October 06, 2018, 12:28:36 AM
Quote from: rob on October 06, 2018, 12:25:45 AM
I realized what matters to picking a truck for more experienced skaters is

What kind of geo you prefer(more turnability or stability/staying centered)

Height(high or low obviously)

Weight

Weight kinda doesn’t matter but it legit does help

I think weight is the one thing that we usually compromise. Forge plate Indy's have the geometry and height for the wheels and skating I'm used to. But I'll always prefer the feel of heavy cast plates.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skateforever on October 06, 2018, 05:24:47 AM
Indy's all the way. For no other reason than that's what I've always ridden, apart from a short period in the late 80's when I was on those Gullwings that always cracked.

For me it's mainly nostalgia but I also love how Indy trucks look. There is something solid and no noncense about them.

Currently riding two sets of Stage 11, one hollow forged and one standards. Both awesome and supremely reliable. I've never seen the point with trying other trucks, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 06, 2018, 07:24:36 AM
I'm all about the team.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pauline_handsome on October 06, 2018, 10:35:14 PM
Quote from: Skateforever on October 06, 2018, 05:24:47 AM
Indy's all the way. For no other reason than that's what I've always ridden, apart from a short period in the late 80's when I was on those Gullwings that always cracked.

For me it's mainly nostalgia but I also love how Indy trucks look. There is something solid and no noncense about them.

Currently riding two sets of Stage 11, one hollow forged and one standards. Both awesome and supremely reliable. I've never seen the point with trying other trucks, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

Thats how i feel about thunders. Plus the price for them is good here in AUS at $75 or so.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 07, 2018, 03:28:24 AM
I only said the obvious because I notice

I do like low trucks cause of the response and control but I hate certain low truck geometry

Sadly especially ventures and how pushed out they are,

I do okay with thunders but oddly to me indy lows give me the most control and response with the classic cylinder bushings

Thunders respond better with speed and flip just right but man the indy lows just feel more in control. The thunders are definitely lighter but idk, sometimes they don’t respond the way I want them too
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hey pickle on October 07, 2018, 06:40:12 AM
Quote from: rob on October 07, 2018, 03:28:24 AM
I only said the obvious because I notice

I do like low trucks cause of the response and control but I hate certain low truck geometry

Sadly especially ventures and how pushed out they are,

I do okay with thunders but oddly to me indy lows give me the most control and response with the classic cylinder bushings

Thunders respond better with speed and flip just right but man the indy lows just feel more in control. The thunders are definitely lighter but idk, sometimes they don’t respond the way I want them too

you tried mini logo rob?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 07, 2018, 02:09:46 PM
Quote from: hey pickle on October 07, 2018, 06:40:12 AM
Quote from: rob on October 07, 2018, 03:28:24 AM
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I only said the obvious because I notice

I do like low trucks cause of the response and control but I hate certain low truck geometry

Sadly especially ventures and how pushed out they are,

I do okay with thunders but oddly to me indy lows give me the most control and response with the classic cylinder bushings

Thunders respond better with speed and flip just right but man the indy lows just feel more in control. The thunders are definitely lighter but idk, sometimes they don’t respond the way I want them too
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you tried mini logo rob?

Haha have I?

Look mini logo trucks up on the search bar
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hey pickle on October 07, 2018, 03:03:22 PM
my bad

seek help
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: woodinbrine on October 08, 2018, 03:34:18 AM
I’m skating Thunder 149s on an 8.375 board now. I put extra soft Indy bushings on top and boiled stock Thunder bushings on bottom. Floaty and surfy, loving it. Better than the Indys in both positions as well as the stock set.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Shuh on October 10, 2018, 01:51:37 AM
I currently have thunder 149 and bones hardcore soft in it, any one have a suggestion on modify loose like matt Rodriguez?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on October 10, 2018, 06:51:23 AM
Quote from: Shuh on October 10, 2018, 01:51:37 AM
I currently have thunder 149 and bones hardcore soft in it, any one have a suggestion on modify loose like matt Rodriguez?

Thunders really aren't meant to be ridden that loose. You'll get wheel bite constantly unless you put some super thick risers on and even then they wouldn't lend themselves well to a deep carve. I'd recommend just getting Ace if that's what you're after.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Shuh on October 10, 2018, 10:27:00 AM
Quote from: baustin on October 10, 2018, 06:51:23 AM
Quote from: Shuh on October 10, 2018, 01:51:37 AM
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I currently have thunder 149 and bones hardcore soft in it, any one have a suggestion on modify loose like matt Rodriguez?
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Thunders really aren't meant to be ridden that loose. You'll get wheel bite constantly unless you put some super thick risers on and even then they wouldn't lend themselves well to a deep carve. I'd recommend just getting Ace if that's what you're after.

Probably next set up, currently these thunders is all I have to work with for now, I do ride 53s and I have skated ok with it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on October 12, 2018, 11:35:08 PM
I am using cast baseplate Indy stage 11 highs btw.


So I haven't used bones bushings for a while since the bushings are not the same height as the Indy ones and cause the infamous "click" but I checked and the bottom Indy stock bushing with the stock bottom washer is the same exact height  as the bones bottom with the flat black bones washer.

I used the bones washer on the bottom and the stock Indy one on the top to protect the plastic piece on the bones and it makes the truck sit in the hanger almost identical to the stock Indy bushings.

The bones now have no click and feel super responsive and bounce back in place even super loose compared to the aftermarket Indy mediums which, although waaaay better than stock, still feel gummy in way compared to the bones.


Think this is my perfect truck!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 13, 2018, 07:40:16 AM
It'd be sick if we had a chart of the heights for the top and bottom bushing for each truck. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on October 13, 2018, 07:44:13 AM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on October 12, 2018, 11:35:08 PM
I am using cast baseplate Indy stage 11 highs btw.


So I haven't used bones bushings for a while since the bushings are not the same height as the Indy ones and cause the infamous "click" but I checked and the bottom Indy stock bushing with the stock bottom washer is the same exact height  as the bones bottom with the flat black bones washer.

I used the bones washer on the bottom and the stock Indy one on the top to protect the plastic piece on the bones and it makes the truck sit in the hanger almost identical to the stock Indy bushings.

The bones now have no click and feel super responsive and bounce back in place even super loose compared to the aftermarket Indy mediums which, although waaaay better than stock, still feel gummy in way compared to the bones.


Think this is my perfect truck!

Isn't the top bones bushing taller than the Indy?  Bones should just include black washers for the tops and bottoms
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on October 13, 2018, 09:05:54 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 13, 2018, 07:44:13 AM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on October 12, 2018, 11:35:08 PM
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I am using cast baseplate Indy stage 11 highs btw.


So I haven't used bones bushings for a while since the bushings are not the same height as the Indy ones and cause the infamous "click" but I checked and the bottom Indy stock bushing with the stock bottom washer is the same exact height  as the bones bottom with the flat black bones washer.

I used the bones washer on the bottom and the stock Indy one on the top to protect the plastic piece on the bones and it makes the truck sit in the hanger almost identical to the stock Indy bushings.

The bones now have no click and feel super responsive and bounce back in place even super loose compared to the aftermarket Indy mediums which, although waaaay better than stock, still feel gummy in way compared to the bones.


Think this is my perfect truck!
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Isn't the top bones bushing taller than the Indy?  Bones should just include black washers for the tops and bottoms
bones top bushings and stock indy bushings are the same height at 11mm. aftermarket indys are 10mm. bones with two flat washers don't fit on indys, unless you shave down the nut or have older stage indys with longer kingpins. also, bones bottom bushings lose a millimetre once they're broken in and the stock bottom washers are 2mm while bones flat washers are 1mm. if you don't have, or lose track of those flat washers you can always use the stock one.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shripshrapper on October 13, 2018, 11:05:48 AM
I ended up using the top and bottom stock indy washers with my bones, it's the only way I got them to feel good in my 159's. I'm sticking to aftermarkets from now on
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ziad on October 13, 2018, 11:08:43 AM
6.0 Tensors on 8.43-8.75 decks and 53 mm wheels
I ride them loose with Bones soft bushings and 1/8 riser pads
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on October 13, 2018, 03:46:07 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on October 12, 2018, 11:35:08 PM
I am using cast baseplate Indy stage 11 highs btw.


So I haven't used bones bushings for a while since the bushings are not the same height as the Indy ones and cause the infamous "click" but I checked and the bottom Indy stock bushing with the stock bottom washer is the same exact height  as the bones bottom with the flat black bones washer.

I used the bones washer on the bottom and the stock Indy one on the top to protect the plastic piece on the bones and it makes the truck sit in the hanger almost identical to the stock Indy bushings.

The bones now have no click and feel super responsive and bounce back in place even super loose compared to the aftermarket Indy mediums which, although waaaay better than stock, still feel gummy in way compared to the bones.


Think this is my perfect truck!

Normal top washer over the top of a bones top washer also prevents you from seeing if the plastic is cracking or getting muffin topped.  Probably good.  Don't worry about it unless you feel something change.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on October 13, 2018, 06:10:04 PM
Quote from: full of jerks on October 13, 2018, 03:46:07 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on October 12, 2018, 11:35:08 PM
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I am using cast baseplate Indy stage 11 highs btw.


So I haven't used bones bushings for a while since the bushings are not the same height as the Indy ones and cause the infamous "click" but I checked and the bottom Indy stock bushing with the stock bottom washer is the same exact height  as the bones bottom with the flat black bones washer.

I used the bones washer on the bottom and the stock Indy one on the top to protect the plastic piece on the bones and it makes the truck sit in the hanger almost identical to the stock Indy bushings.

The bones now have no click and feel super responsive and bounce back in place even super loose compared to the aftermarket Indy mediums which, although waaaay better than stock, still feel gummy in way compared to the bones.


Think this is my perfect truck!
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Normal top washer over the top of a bones top washer also prevents you from seeing if the plastic is cracking or getting muffin topped.  Probably good.  Don't worry about it unless you feel something change.
This is slap your telling this to haha, but I'll try.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bumpovertrash on October 13, 2018, 06:34:16 PM
im riding thunder 148 titaniums with blue doh dohs and only a bottom washer with blown out pivot cups.b 53mm wheels. My trucks  rattle and i used to get wheelbite alot but its alot less common now ive learned to land with my weight perfect everytime. Its harder to learn flip tricks but ive always sucked at em. 
go loosen your trucks it makes skating alot funner.
After riding my board this way for about 3 years i would never go back to riding normal trucks. Stepping on my friends boards is a joke I cant even ride a board with tight trucks now
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on October 14, 2018, 12:52:33 AM
Quote from: I AM on October 13, 2018, 09:05:54 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 13, 2018, 07:44:13 AM
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Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on October 12, 2018, 11:35:08 PM
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I am using cast baseplate Indy stage 11 highs btw.


So I haven't used bones bushings for a while since the bushings are not the same height as the Indy ones and cause the infamous "click" but I checked and the bottom Indy stock bushing with the stock bottom washer is the same exact height  as the bones bottom with the flat black bones washer.

I used the bones washer on the bottom and the stock Indy one on the top to protect the plastic piece on the bones and it makes the truck sit in the hanger almost identical to the stock Indy bushings.

The bones now have no click and feel super responsive and bounce back in place even super loose compared to the aftermarket Indy mediums which, although waaaay better than stock, still feel gummy in way compared to the bones.


Think this is my perfect truck!
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Isn't the top bones bushing taller than the Indy?  Bones should just include black washers for the tops and bottoms
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bones top bushings and stock indy bushings are the same height at 11mm. aftermarket indys are 10mm. bones with two flat washers don't fit on indys, unless you shave down the nut or have older stage indys with longer kingpins. also, bones bottom bushings lose a millimetre once they're broken in and the stock bottom washers are 2mm while bones flat washers are 1mm. if you don't have, or lose track of those flat washers you can always use the stock one.

Indy washers are 1.5 mm. I just measured Ace and Indy washers with a micrometer and changed the top washers on my cruiser's Aces to Indy washers cuz that's what I've been running on my other Aces too due to getting them without washers and the stock Ace top washer is thicker at 2 mm and that makes the trucks not turn so well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 14, 2018, 01:46:15 AM
Quote from: Roisto on October 14, 2018, 12:52:33 AM
Quote from: I AM on October 13, 2018, 09:05:54 AM
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Quote from: BMCsteve on October 13, 2018, 07:44:13 AM
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Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on October 12, 2018, 11:35:08 PM
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I am using cast baseplate Indy stage 11 highs btw.


So I haven't used bones bushings for a while since the bushings are not the same height as the Indy ones and cause the infamous "click" but I checked and the bottom Indy stock bushing with the stock bottom washer is the same exact height  as the bones bottom with the flat black bones washer.

I used the bones washer on the bottom and the stock Indy one on the top to protect the plastic piece on the bones and it makes the truck sit in the hanger almost identical to the stock Indy bushings.

The bones now have no click and feel super responsive and bounce back in place even super loose compared to the aftermarket Indy mediums which, although waaaay better than stock, still feel gummy in way compared to the bones.


Think this is my perfect truck!
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Isn't the top bones bushing taller than the Indy?  Bones should just include black washers for the tops and bottoms
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bones top bushings and stock indy bushings are the same height at 11mm. aftermarket indys are 10mm. bones with two flat washers don't fit on indys, unless you shave down the nut or have older stage indys with longer kingpins. also, bones bottom bushings lose a millimetre once they're broken in and the stock bottom washers are 2mm while bones flat washers are 1mm. if you don't have, or lose track of those flat washers you can always use the stock one.
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Indy washers are 1.5 mm. I just measured Ace and Indy washers with a micrometer and changed the top washers on my cruiser's Aces to Indy washers cuz that's what I've been running on my other Aces too due to getting them without washers and the stock Ace top washer is thicker at 2 mm and that makes the trucks not turn so well.

Your crazy, I’m crazier

While that sounds like a good suggestion to run flush with better turning im so kooked out and crazy if I run my trucks stock I run them stock the way I bought them with all the flaws

Except the tightness, gotta tighten or loosen the trucks but no changing the hardware and such 

Tempted to try though...maybe...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on October 14, 2018, 02:12:57 AM
Quote from: rob on October 14, 2018, 01:46:15 AM
Quote from: Roisto on October 14, 2018, 12:52:33 AM
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Quote from: I AM on October 13, 2018, 09:05:54 AM
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Quote from: BMCsteve on October 13, 2018, 07:44:13 AM
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Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on October 12, 2018, 11:35:08 PM
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I am using cast baseplate Indy stage 11 highs btw.


So I haven't used bones bushings for a while since the bushings are not the same height as the Indy ones and cause the infamous "click" but I checked and the bottom Indy stock bushing with the stock bottom washer is the same exact height  as the bones bottom with the flat black bones washer.

I used the bones washer on the bottom and the stock Indy one on the top to protect the plastic piece on the bones and it makes the truck sit in the hanger almost identical to the stock Indy bushings.

The bones now have no click and feel super responsive and bounce back in place even super loose compared to the aftermarket Indy mediums which, although waaaay better than stock, still feel gummy in way compared to the bones.


Think this is my perfect truck!
[close]

Isn't the top bones bushing taller than the Indy?  Bones should just include black washers for the tops and bottoms
[close]
bones top bushings and stock indy bushings are the same height at 11mm. aftermarket indys are 10mm. bones with two flat washers don't fit on indys, unless you shave down the nut or have older stage indys with longer kingpins. also, bones bottom bushings lose a millimetre once they're broken in and the stock bottom washers are 2mm while bones flat washers are 1mm. if you don't have, or lose track of those flat washers you can always use the stock one.
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Indy washers are 1.5 mm. I just measured Ace and Indy washers with a micrometer and changed the top washers on my cruiser's Aces to Indy washers cuz that's what I've been running on my other Aces too due to getting them without washers and the stock Ace top washer is thicker at 2 mm and that makes the trucks not turn so well.
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Your crazy, I’m crazier

While that sounds like a good suggestion to run flush with better turning im so kooked out and crazy if I run my trucks stock I run them stock the way I bought them with all the flaws

Except the tightness, gotta tighten or loosen the trucks but no changing the hardware and such 

Tempted to try though...maybe...

I wanted to run stock also but this happened cuz the dude who sold me the Aces didn't include the washers so I put washers from my Indys on them and got used to the feeling. It's pretty crazy what a difference 0.5 mm makes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on October 14, 2018, 06:45:34 AM
I find the after market Indy bushing washers thinner than stock washers 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shripshrapper on October 14, 2018, 08:54:10 AM
Quote from: nosneb on October 14, 2018, 06:45:34 AM
I find the after market Indy bushing washers thinner than stock washers

why would they do that to us?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on October 14, 2018, 12:01:33 PM
Quote from: shripshrapper on October 14, 2018, 08:54:10 AM
Quote from: nosneb on October 14, 2018, 06:45:34 AM
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I find the after market Indy bushing washers thinner than stock washers
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why would they do that to us?
Cause they’re filthy racists that’s why.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DISTANT RUMOURS on October 15, 2018, 02:04:52 AM
I ride indy's now for a good 1.5 years, and the bushings are indeed very very squishy in the beginning.

After a while they get 'harder' though...

I ride really tight trucks (my ankles are bad and don't like 'movement' too much, and it helps with popping tricks) and it got better over time.

But I'm riding brand new ones right now and they indeed stay in one angle if you squeeze them :-) will get better after every session
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on October 15, 2018, 02:05:13 PM
For the regular cast team thunders, anyone know the exact height of the 147’s? They’re supposed to be lower for some reason compared to the 148’s and up, from what I remember. Tactics says 49mm? Seems odd they’d make them 3mm lower. I feel like their measurement is maybe incorrect?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boudoir on October 15, 2018, 06:06:34 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on October 15, 2018, 02:05:13 PM
For the regular cast team thunders, anyone know the exact height of the 147’s? They’re supposed to be lower for some reason compared to the 148’s and up, from what I remember. Tactics says 49mm? Seems odd they’d make them 3mm lower. I feel like their measurement is maybe incorrect?

I recently bought 148's on Tactics, and I hesitated a lot of time between the Hollow Lights (HL) and the Team Hollow (TH), because they write that HL are 52.3 mm and the TH are 51mm. Which makes no sense because the TH are supposed to be the HL with a baseplate 1mm higher.
I finally got the Team Hollow, and I think they are actually 52.3mm, because I can align the axle perfectly with the one of my Hollow Lights 151 (52.3mm high). I can even look through both hollow axles..

So I don't know for the 147s, but I guess it's the same issue: the measurements on Tactics seem to be wrong.

By the way the TH 148s are great, I really like them, better than my previous Indys Forged Hollow 144.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 16, 2018, 01:02:14 PM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LRuIMbYyZAw3mUL5XV2gOuZzS4PSjwJShL7Dp9o3mqfoJb043gag6FBpPIuC4NmfJWDJv1okqePmeTomjG89c9--fmJLBQJ1WVhnSTTT27ltD93SOmMsC1Z80S2mgxh2kD5ESglEthE=w2400)

Sized up with some 149 Ti + the new ACE low bushings and washers/riptide cups.

The low ace top bushing is the same height as the stock indy, the ace low bottom is ever so slightly shorter than the stock indy but it can't be more than .5mm or something so it won't/doesn't make a difference.

They're waaaaaay more responsive and snappy than stock or after market indy bushings (I normally use the red 88a, even tried to mix match Indy duros like ACE does ); they as squirrly as ACE now with how loose I ride and with 54mm wheels I'm getting wheelbite - hopefully they bushings firm up a bit more as at speed I was wobbling a bit (but I'm also coming off riding Thunders).

(Check that quality casting/mold job on that yoke....)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on October 16, 2018, 03:07:49 PM
@xen, does the top of the yoke have a weird dip in it?  my Indy 149s do (159s do not).  I just thought it was a weird casting imperfection but if yours has it too then I'm guessing it's the mold
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 16, 2018, 03:24:41 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 16, 2018, 03:07:49 PM
@xen, does the top of the yoke have a weird dip in it?  my Indy 149s do (159s do not).  I just thought it was a weird casting imperfection but if yours has it too then I'm guessing it's the mold

Yeah, it's a weird 'dent' for sure a mold issue, doubt it's going to screw anything up, it'll get wrecked anyway.

I'll check both of them when I get a chance, only noticed it on one and didn't bother to look at the other one (fight that OCD, fight it!)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: redcurb12 on October 16, 2018, 03:56:06 PM
i recently switched out some tiax theeves i rode for years for stage 10 149s. i gotta say they make grinding way more fun. stoked to be on indys again
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FluFlammer on October 17, 2018, 01:40:47 AM
Quote from: Boudoir on October 15, 2018, 06:06:34 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on October 15, 2018, 02:05:13 PM
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For the regular cast team thunders, anyone know the exact height of the 147’s? They’re supposed to be lower for some reason compared to the 148’s and up, from what I remember. Tactics says 49mm? Seems odd they’d make them 3mm lower. I feel like their measurement is maybe incorrect?
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I recently bought 148's on Tactics, and I hesitated a lot of time between the Hollow Lights (HL) and the Team Hollow (TH), because they write that HL are 52.3 mm and the TH are 51mm. Which makes no sense because the TH are supposed to be the HL with a baseplate 1mm higher.
I finally got the Team Hollow, and I think they are actually 52.3mm, because I can align the axle perfectly with the one of my Hollow Lights 151 (52.3mm high). I can even look through both hollow axles..

So I don't know for the 147s, but I guess it's the same issue: the measurements on Tactics seem to be wrong.

By the way the TH 148s are great, I really like them, better than my previous Indys Forged Hollow 144.

God I wish thunder had a height chart...

Does anyone know if the height changes in any of the 149 models from 52.3mm or does it stay at 52.3?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on October 17, 2018, 04:22:28 AM
Quote from: FluFlammer on October 17, 2018, 01:40:47 AM
Quote from: Boudoir on October 15, 2018, 06:06:34 PM
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Quote from: Diocletian on October 15, 2018, 02:05:13 PM
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For the regular cast team thunders, anyone know the exact height of the 147’s? They’re supposed to be lower for some reason compared to the 148’s and up, from what I remember. Tactics says 49mm? Seems odd they’d make them 3mm lower. I feel like their measurement is maybe incorrect?
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I recently bought 148's on Tactics, and I hesitated a lot of time between the Hollow Lights (HL) and the Team Hollow (TH), because they write that HL are 52.3 mm and the TH are 51mm. Which makes no sense because the TH are supposed to be the HL with a baseplate 1mm higher.
I finally got the Team Hollow, and I think they are actually 52.3mm, because I can align the axle perfectly with the one of my Hollow Lights 151 (52.3mm high). I can even look through both hollow axles..

So I don't know for the 147s, but I guess it's the same issue: the measurements on Tactics seem to be wrong.

By the way the TH 148s are great, I really like them, better than my previous Indys Forged Hollow 144.
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God I wish thunder had a height chart...

Does anyone know if the height changes in any of the 149 models from 52.3mm or does it stay at 52.3?

All 149 (and 148) trucks with cast baseplates are 52.3 and forged are 51.3
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nopes on October 17, 2018, 04:45:47 PM
so im not close to being OCD on trucks to i apologize from the start. i finally got around to skating a stock pair of 6.0 Film trucks and my initial laymen impression is they are a lot closer to krux than ace on the turning scale. riding them in a bowl today i noticed i often had to pick up my front trunk way more than i normally would even on thunder trucks.

before that on my initial session i rode them without adjusting the kingpin at all and i thought they felt pretty fun and turny but i had to tighten them a full turn for my fatass to not get bad wheel bite with my 54 wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on October 17, 2018, 05:04:28 PM
Quote from: nopes on October 17, 2018, 04:45:47 PM
so im not close to being OCD on trucks to i apologize from the start. i finally got around to skating a stock pair of 6.0 Film trucks and my initial laymen impression is they are a lot closer to krux than ace on the turning scale. riding them in a bowl today i noticed i often had to pick up my front trunk way more than i normally would even on thunder trucks.

before that on my initial session i rode them without adjusting the kingpin at all and i thought they felt pretty fun and turny but i had to tighten them a full turn for my fatass to not get bad wheel bite with my 54 wheels.

Any way of measuring what Film trucks do to the wheelbase? In comparison to the big brands at least. Would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nopes on October 17, 2018, 05:48:27 PM
Sure give me a few days
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FluFlammer on October 18, 2018, 01:06:08 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 17, 2018, 04:22:28 AM
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For the regular cast team thunders, anyone know the exact height of the 147’s? They’re supposed to be lower for some reason compared to the 148’s and up, from what I remember. Tactics says 49mm? Seems odd they’d make them 3mm lower. I feel like their measurement is maybe incorrect?
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I recently bought 148's on Tactics, and I hesitated a lot of time between the Hollow Lights (HL) and the Team Hollow (TH), because they write that HL are 52.3 mm and the TH are 51mm. Which makes no sense because the TH are supposed to be the HL with a baseplate 1mm higher.
I finally got the Team Hollow, and I think they are actually 52.3mm, because I can align the axle perfectly with the one of my Hollow Lights 151 (52.3mm high). I can even look through both hollow axles..

So I don't know for the 147s, but I guess it's the same issue: the measurements on Tactics seem to be wrong.

By the way the TH 148s are great, I really like them, better than my previous Indys Forged Hollow 144.
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God I wish thunder had a height chart...

Does anyone know if the height changes in any of the 149 models from 52.3mm or does it stay at 52.3?
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All 149 (and 148) trucks with cast baseplates are 52.3 and forged are 51.3

Thank you
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on October 18, 2018, 06:46:48 AM
after riding 169 indy without washers for a while i've blown out the top bushings and replaced them with medium bones, flush-ish on the king pin and i am, so far dicusted.
I hope bones is lying onthe "no break in period" if they stay like that they will end up in the trash.
they have a super sluggish feel, compared to the stock indys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goathead on October 18, 2018, 11:57:44 AM
Does anyone here have experience on taking the paint off some trucks? I just got this super good deal on a used set-up, only thing that the Indys are black & white (hanger/baseplate).
Should I just try to scrape it off? Maybe use some thinner?

I know it's not a big deal but I just can't stand painted trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on October 18, 2018, 01:11:22 PM
Quote from: goathead on October 18, 2018, 11:57:44 AM
Does anyone here have experience on taking the paint off some trucks? I just got this super good deal on a used set-up, only thing that the Indys are black & white (hanger/baseplate).
Should I just try to scrape it off? Maybe use some thinner?

I know it's not a big deal but I just can't stand painted trucks.

Aircraft paint stripper.  Note that they might not be polished under the paint.  I did this to a set of indy's and the raw metal is a funky gray color
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 18, 2018, 01:27:40 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 18, 2018, 01:11:22 PM
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Does anyone here have experience on taking the paint off some trucks? I just got this super good deal on a used set-up, only thing that the Indys are black & white (hanger/baseplate).
Should I just try to scrape it off? Maybe use some thinner?

I know it's not a big deal but I just can't stand painted trucks.
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Aircraft paint stripper.  Note that they might not be polished under the paint.  I did this to a set of indy's and the raw metal is a funky gray color

Super raw like they used to be!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vitriol on October 18, 2018, 01:41:17 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 18, 2018, 01:11:22 PM
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Does anyone here have experience on taking the paint off some trucks? I just got this super good deal on a used set-up, only thing that the Indys are black & white (hanger/baseplate).
Should I just try to scrape it off? Maybe use some thinner?

I know it's not a big deal but I just can't stand painted trucks.
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Aircraft paint stripper.  Note that they might not be polished under the paint.  I did this to a set of indy's and the raw metal is a funky gray color
I did it on mismatched aces i got for cheap, one painted and one powder coated. Used something sold here as acetone substitute.
Still required a lot of metal brushing, dipping hands in that shit and breathing vapors.
Won't do it again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on October 18, 2018, 03:27:24 PM
Quote from: goathead on October 18, 2018, 11:57:44 AM
Does anyone here have experience on taking the paint off some trucks? I just got this super good deal on a used set-up, only thing that the Indys are black & white (hanger/baseplate).
Should I just try to scrape it off? Maybe use some thinner?

I know it's not a big deal but I just can't stand painted trucks.

This thread showing varying degrees of success with a few different methods. Having also done this to a set of Aces, can be done. You may or may not like how they end up looking. After a few months those Aces definitely have that "complete that's been in the garage for a decade" look.

http://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=100305
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: redcurb12 on October 18, 2018, 03:30:06 PM
Quote from: palelight on October 18, 2018, 03:27:24 PM
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Does anyone here have experience on taking the paint off some trucks? I just got this super good deal on a used set-up, only thing that the Indys are black & white (hanger/baseplate).
Should I just try to scrape it off? Maybe use some thinner?

I know it's not a big deal but I just can't stand painted trucks.
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This thread showing varying degrees of success with a few different methods. Having also done this to a set of Aces, can be done. You may or may not like how they end up looking. After a few months those Aces definitely have that "complete that's been in the garage for a decade" look.

http://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=100305

those thunders turned out sick
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on October 19, 2018, 01:42:10 AM
Quote from: goathead on October 18, 2018, 11:57:44 AM
Does anyone here have experience on taking the paint off some trucks?



I last did this on Saturday, I’ve tried a few things
Soaked in acetone and scraping
Sanding it through completly

I’ve found the answer, took me a half hour and there’s not a spot left

Aerosol autobody paint remover, the one I got is made by Rustoleum and it bubbles the paint off which makes for picking it off easy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on October 19, 2018, 07:28:04 AM
Everybody be careful with paint stripper. Use gloves and protect your eyes. Maybe an gasmask too.
I've used that stuff a bit at work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 19, 2018, 09:59:58 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 18, 2018, 01:11:22 PM
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Does anyone here have experience on taking the paint off some trucks? I just got this super good deal on a used set-up, only thing that the Indys are black & white (hanger/baseplate).
Should I just try to scrape it off? Maybe use some thinner?

I know it's not a big deal but I just can't stand painted trucks.
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Aircraft paint stripper.  Note that they might not be polished under the paint.  I did this to a set of indy's and the raw metal is a funky gray color

I'm sure someone said this but......

Grinding.......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on October 20, 2018, 10:18:38 AM
Quote from: Xen on October 16, 2018, 01:02:14 PM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LRuIMbYyZAw3mUL5XV2gOuZzS4PSjwJShL7Dp9o3mqfoJb043gag6FBpPIuC4NmfJWDJv1okqePmeTomjG89c9--fmJLBQJ1WVhnSTTT27ltD93SOmMsC1Z80S2mgxh2kD5ESglEthE=w2400)

Sized up with some 149 Ti + the new ACE low bushings and washers/riptide cups.

The low ace top bushing is the same height as the stock indy, the ace low bottom is ever so slightly shorter than the stock indy but it can't be more than .5mm or something so it won't/doesn't make a difference.

They're waaaaaay more responsive and snappy than stock or after market indy bushings (I normally use the red 88a, even tried to mix match Indy duros like ACE does ); they as squirrly as ACE now with how loose I ride and with 54mm wheels I'm getting wheelbite - hopefully they bushings firm up a bit more as at speed I was wobbling a bit (but I'm also coming off riding Thunders).

(Check that quality casting/mold job on that yoke....)

I Just tried those 88a Indy's in my Krux just for the hell of it after falling in love with the new Ace bushings. I thought maybe it would be similar, but the Indy's feel like crap. I see why people actually like the Krux bushings now, which I also realized are not that good. The Ace's are so damn good and it's not just the duro, I think it's more of the urethane formula. I have a feeling they might get torn up more easily, but it's worth it. Only other setup I tried that was even close was Krux top with Bones medium bottom, and I still prefer the Ace by a lot.

You might consider trying the regular size version for less wheelbite, I only say that because for me they were slightly bigger (like you said, by like .5mm) than the Krux bushings I was replacing and it seemed to work out in my favor.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: kentrock on October 20, 2018, 05:19:36 PM
Quote from: Beeker on October 20, 2018, 10:18:38 AM
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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LRuIMbYyZAw3mUL5XV2gOuZzS4PSjwJShL7Dp9o3mqfoJb043gag6FBpPIuC4NmfJWDJv1okqePmeTomjG89c9--fmJLBQJ1WVhnSTTT27ltD93SOmMsC1Z80S2mgxh2kD5ESglEthE=w2400)

Sized up with some 149 Ti + the new ACE low bushings and washers/riptide cups.

The low ace top bushing is the same height as the stock indy, the ace low bottom is ever so slightly shorter than the stock indy but it can't be more than .5mm or something so it won't/doesn't make a difference.

They're waaaaaay more responsive and snappy than stock or after market indy bushings (I normally use the red 88a, even tried to mix match Indy duros like ACE does ); they as squirrly as ACE now with how loose I ride and with 54mm wheels I'm getting wheelbite - hopefully they bushings firm up a bit more as at speed I was wobbling a bit (but I'm also coming off riding Thunders).

(Check that quality casting/mold job on that yoke....)
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I Just tried those 88a Indy's in my Krux just for the hell of it after falling in love with the new Ace bushings. I thought maybe it would be similar, but the Indy's feel like crap. I see why people actually like the Krux bushings now, which I also realized are not that good. The Ace's are so damn good and it's not just the duro, I think it's more of the urethane formula. I have a feeling they might get torn up more easily, but it's worth it. Only other setup I tried that was even close was Krux top with Bones medium bottom, and I still prefer the Ace by a lot.

You might consider trying the regular size version for less wheelbite, I only say that because for me they were slightly bigger (like you said, by like .5mm) than the Krux bushings I was replacing and it seemed to work out in my favor.

wuuut?  r u on indy krux or ace trucks? i have no fucking idea wut u jus said in ur post.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nopes on October 21, 2018, 08:18:33 AM
Quote from: palelight on October 17, 2018, 05:04:28 PM
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so im not close to being OCD on trucks to i apologize from the start. i finally got around to skating a stock pair of 6.0 Film trucks and my initial laymen impression is they are a lot closer to krux than ace on the turning scale. riding them in a bowl today i noticed i often had to pick up my front trunk way more than i normally would even on thunder trucks.

before that on my initial session i rode them without adjusting the kingpin at all and i thought they felt pretty fun and turny but i had to tighten them a full turn for my fatass to not get bad wheel bite with my 54 wheels.
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Any way of measuring what Film trucks do to the wheelbase? In comparison to the big brands at least. Would be much appreciated.

compared to indy stage 11 139s the wheel base with the film 6.0 155 was 1/16 of an inch shorter.

i have to say the more im riding these trucks the worse turning they feel. i was doing a bunch of terrible old man board slides on a flat bar today and i have to almost come off the rail perfectly to ride away easy on these. they just werent forgiving if i landed a bit crooked if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on October 21, 2018, 11:25:47 AM
Quote from: nopes on October 21, 2018, 08:18:33 AM
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so im not close to being OCD on trucks to i apologize from the start. i finally got around to skating a stock pair of 6.0 Film trucks and my initial laymen impression is they are a lot closer to krux than ace on the turning scale. riding them in a bowl today i noticed i often had to pick up my front trunk way more than i normally would even on thunder trucks.

before that on my initial session i rode them without adjusting the kingpin at all and i thought they felt pretty fun and turny but i had to tighten them a full turn for my fatass to not get bad wheel bite with my 54 wheels.
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Any way of measuring what Film trucks do to the wheelbase? In comparison to the big brands at least. Would be much appreciated.
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compared to indy stage 11 139s the wheel base with the film 6.0 155 was 1/16 of an inch shorter.

i have to say the more im riding these trucks the worse turning they feel. i was doing a bunch of terrible old man board slides on a flat bar today and i have to almost come off the rail perfectly to ride away easy on these. they just werent forgiving if i landed a bit crooked if that makes sense.

Much obliged. Weird they have such a whack turn considering they shrink the WB about the same as Ace/Theeve (then again, so do Tensor). Worth a bushing swap experiment?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: kentrock on October 21, 2018, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: palelight on October 21, 2018, 11:25:47 AM
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so im not close to being OCD on trucks to i apologize from the start. i finally got around to skating a stock pair of 6.0 Film trucks and my initial laymen impression is they are a lot closer to krux than ace on the turning scale. riding them in a bowl today i noticed i often had to pick up my front trunk way more than i normally would even on thunder trucks.

before that on my initial session i rode them without adjusting the kingpin at all and i thought they felt pretty fun and turny but i had to tighten them a full turn for my fatass to not get bad wheel bite with my 54 wheels.
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Any way of measuring what Film trucks do to the wheelbase? In comparison to the big brands at least. Would be much appreciated.
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compared to indy stage 11 139s the wheel base with the film 6.0 155 was 1/16 of an inch shorter.

i have to say the more im riding these trucks the worse turning they feel. i was doing a bunch of terrible old man board slides on a flat bar today and i have to almost come off the rail perfectly to ride away easy on these. they just werent forgiving if i landed a bit crooked if that makes sense.
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Much obliged. Weird they have such a whack turn considering they shrink the WB about the same as Ace/Theeve (then again, so do Tensor). Worth a bushing swap experiment?

u can't make a garbage truck a good truck.  get some venture lows with krux bushings and so skate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on October 21, 2018, 06:31:19 PM
Have we confirmed that Kentrock is Tracer yet?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: kentrock on October 21, 2018, 08:05:10 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 21, 2018, 06:31:19 PM
Have we confirmed that Kentrock is Tracer yet?

wtf is tracer???????
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IHOP on October 21, 2018, 10:20:00 PM
took me a long time but i think i am finally happy on a thunder with 1/8th inch risers.

I still wax my wheel wells every session but I think thats just become my ocd now wether it helps or not.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 22, 2018, 01:49:45 AM
Has anyone tried deluxe tack and supply supercush bushings?

I’m trying to find cylinder bushings that could work for my theeves and I remember someone saying they’re good but maybe that’s just my sub concious getting me to buy them

I’m wondering if they’re basically thunder formula but cylinder shape
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on October 22, 2018, 04:06:44 AM
"Will not fit in thunder trucks"

http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=42350

I have 2 sets of them I haven't used. Used the greens back in 1990 and they were great. One of my best summers skating for sure. Just haven't tried the new ones out of fear of change
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 22, 2018, 01:27:22 PM
Quote from: fang on October 22, 2018, 04:06:44 AM
"Will not fit in thunder trucks"

http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=42350

I have 2 sets of them I haven't used. Used the greens back in 1990 and they were great. One of my best summers skating for sure. Just haven't tried the new ones out of fear of change

Haha guess I’m getting a set

I’ll make them work in thunders

I’ve found I prefer the stability of cylinder bushings overall for my skating

The barrel/cone thunder bushings are good but anything more cone like bones or Indy after market just don’t do me good
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on October 22, 2018, 01:32:08 PM
Quote from: rob on October 22, 2018, 01:27:22 PM
Quote from: fang on October 22, 2018, 04:06:44 AM
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"Will not fit in thunder trucks"

http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=42350

I have 2 sets of them I haven't used. Used the greens back in 1990 and they were great. One of my best summers skating for sure. Just haven't tried the new ones out of fear of change
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Haha guess I’m getting a set

I’ll make them work in thunders

I’ve found I prefer the stability of cylinder bushings overall for my skating

The barrel/cone thunder bushings are good but anything more cone like bones or Indy after market just don’t do me good

Socal added that to their site because I bought a set and sent them pics of them not fitting in thunders.  The bottom bushing is too wide and will not sit in the yoke
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 22, 2018, 01:34:00 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 22, 2018, 01:32:08 PM
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Quote from: fang on October 22, 2018, 04:06:44 AM
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"Will not fit in thunder trucks"

http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=42350

I have 2 sets of them I haven't used. Used the greens back in 1990 and they were great. One of my best summers skating for sure. Just haven't tried the new ones out of fear of change
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Haha guess I’m getting a set

I’ll make them work in thunders

I’ve found I prefer the stability of cylinder bushings overall for my skating

The barrel/cone thunder bushings are good but anything more cone like bones or Indy after market just don’t do me good
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Socal added that to their site because I bought a set and sent them pics of them not fitting in thunders.  The bottom bushing is too wide and will not sit in the yoke

Cool, thanks for the heads up almost spent money I need to save

Thanks a bunch Steve

Cause I might be losing my job soon so gotta save those rupees
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on October 22, 2018, 02:50:46 PM
Do the Ace stock bushings fit in Indy Stage XI?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: kentrock on October 22, 2018, 03:12:32 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on October 22, 2018, 02:50:46 PM
Do the Ace stock bushings fit in Indy Stage XI?

yes, but ur better with krux
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on October 22, 2018, 03:53:59 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on October 22, 2018, 02:50:46 PM
Do the Ace stock bushings fit in Indy Stage XI?

Check out Xen's post above. Bottom bushing will fit. Standard top bushing is way too tall for Stage 11's. The Ace low's are what you'd need.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shripshrapper on October 22, 2018, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: IHOP on October 21, 2018, 10:20:00 PM
took me a long time but i think i am finally happy on a thunder with 1/8th inch risers.

I still wax my wheel wells every session but I think thats just become my ocd now wether it helps or not.

I thought thunders with a 1/8th would make me happy.. But I just couldn't accept the pads.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 22, 2018, 05:27:22 PM
I just slowly tighten them up and skate 51's....

It's crossed my mind to run a hard bottom med top maybe? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on October 22, 2018, 07:19:13 PM
I wonder how those orange 90a deluxe bushings compare to Indy’s aftermarket of the same color and durometer. Anyone tried both in their Indy’s and have any feedback?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Daniel on October 22, 2018, 11:27:12 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on October 22, 2018, 07:19:13 PM
I wonder how those orange 90a deluxe bushings compare to Indy’s aftermarket of the same color and durometer. Anyone tried both in their Indy’s and have any feedback?

Indy aftermarket broken in feel smooth and are quality. The dlx aftermarket get squeaky and feel cheap. Indys lasted long and broke in quick.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Heywoodfloyd on October 23, 2018, 07:41:31 AM
Found a pair of old Ventures that i skated maybe 10 years ago. I put togheter a set up with some old stuff, But i can't remember if the trucks are lows or highs, is there an easy way to find out? They have a raw finish and they came with purple bushings, it has been maybe 10 years since i skated Ventures, but if i remember correctly the color of the bushings in some way corresponds to the height of the trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on October 23, 2018, 08:16:33 AM
Quote from: Heywoodfloyd on October 23, 2018, 07:41:31 AM
Found a pair of old Ventures that i skated maybe 10 years ago. I put togheter a set up with some old stuff, But i can't remember if the trucks are lows or highs, is there an easy way to find out? They have a raw finish and they came with purple bushings, it has been maybe 10 years since i skated Ventures, but if i remember correctly the color of the bushings in some way corresponds to the height of the trucks?

Current polished ones have purple in hi and red in low.  not sure about 10 years ago though.

You can tell by the kingpin clearance. 

high -
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=VSLSLHT-SI2-SI2-1.jpg&nw=435)

Low -
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=VSLSLLT-SI2-SI2-1.jpg&nw=435)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Heywoodfloyd on October 24, 2018, 07:54:00 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 23, 2018, 08:16:33 AM
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Found a pair of old Ventures that i skated maybe 10 years ago. I put togheter a set up with some old stuff, But i can't remember if the trucks are lows or highs, is there an easy way to find out? They have a raw finish and they came with purple bushings, it has been maybe 10 years since i skated Ventures, but if i remember correctly the color of the bushings in some way corresponds to the height of the trucks?
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Current polished ones have purple in hi and red in low.  not sure about 10 years ago though.

You can tell by the kingpin clearance. 

high -
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=VSLSLHT-SI2-SI2-1.jpg&nw=435)

Low -
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=VSLSLLT-SI2-SI2-1.jpg&nw=435)

Thanks. Looks like i have a pair of highs, should be interesting to try them out after only riding Thunders for a while.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on October 24, 2018, 09:42:11 AM
Kingpin clearance on the venture highs are soooo good. I’m skating thunders now but ventures are my very favorite for grinding. No krux pin needed and that extra “lip” on the hanger makes it easier to lock into stuff without snagging the kingpin. When they bring back the v-hollow lights for the 5.8’s or an 8.25 truck, ima be on that shit with the quickness
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 24, 2018, 10:40:07 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on October 24, 2018, 09:42:11 AM
Kingpin clearance on the venture highs are soooo good. I’m skating thunders now but ventures are my very favorite for grinding. No krux pin needed and that extra “lip” on the hanger makes it easier to lock into stuff without snagging the kingpin. When they bring back the v-hollow lights for the 5.8’s or an 8.25 truck, ima be on that shit with the quickness

Been waiting for the Vhollows myself to run a pair again. I guess there just isn't a market for them? The team members they promote seem to be the 8" crew.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on October 24, 2018, 10:49:27 AM
Just bought some riptide pivot cups because....

(https://media.gettyimages.com/videos/lowangle-closeup-of-man-with-grey-beard-lighting-cigar-with-us100-video-id1085-93?s=256x256)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yapple dapple on October 24, 2018, 11:44:51 AM
^ please report back to class after you get a feel for them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 24, 2018, 11:50:04 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 24, 2018, 10:49:27 AM
Just bought some riptide pivot cups because....

(https://media.gettyimages.com/videos/lowangle-closeup-of-man-with-grey-beard-lighting-cigar-with-us100-video-id1085-93?s=256x256)

They're worth it. They last twice as long (if not 3x in ACES) and feel amazing, in any truck,
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 24, 2018, 12:54:06 PM
Quote from: Xen on October 24, 2018, 11:50:04 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 24, 2018, 10:49:27 AM
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Just bought some riptide pivot cups because....

(https://media.gettyimages.com/videos/lowangle-closeup-of-man-with-grey-beard-lighting-cigar-with-us100-video-id1085-93?s=256x256)
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They're worth it. They last twice as long (if not 3x in ACES) and feel amazing, in any truck,

Now I’m curious, they are the same size and shape as indy/thunder/venture/ace type pivot cups ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on October 24, 2018, 02:57:56 PM
Quote from: rob on October 24, 2018, 12:54:06 PM
Now I’m curious, they are the same size and shape as indy/thunder/venture/ace type pivot cups ?
They're made custom for whatever trucks you ride. You pick what brand you want them made for before purchasing. (However, many brands use identical pivot cup size) I got ACE, Theeve and Indy styles and they're identical AFAIK
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 24, 2018, 09:08:59 PM
Quote from: Firebert on October 24, 2018, 02:57:56 PM
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Now I’m curious, they are the same size and shape as indy/thunder/venture/ace type pivot cups ?
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They're made custom for whatever trucks you ride. You pick what brand you want them made for before purchasing. (However, many brands use identical pivot cup size) I got ACE, Theeve and Indy styles and they're identical AFAIK

Haha identical AF?? Horny AF?

I decided to go back to my thunder 148 ti lights and damn the ace aftermarket lows fit perfect in them!

I usually don’t like straying away from stock cause if it’s made that way and tested and proven to work why “fix” it but I’m getting old and need any extra help and cylinder bushings help me a lot

They don’t turn well unless you have soft duro but I need that stable center to get an easier pop

The ace 44 classics were fun and all but a little on the weight and unstable side

The instability makes them fun but I kinda wanna get serious again and have consistent tre flips with less effort(I.e. the weight reduction and lower height=more control) and get some street tech going on

Flip tricks and ledges for days cause I think it’s whats cool and wanna do that
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on October 24, 2018, 09:11:42 PM
Measured Indy Stage 11 and Ace on the same deck- Indy wheelbase is .25 longer. Now it's fuckin with my head which one I like more. The stability of the 149 over the 44's is somewhat noticeable, but I swear any board I ride Ace on gets way less wheelbite.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on October 25, 2018, 04:12:20 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on October 24, 2018, 09:11:42 PM
Measured Indy Stage 11 and Ace on the same deck- Indy wheelbase is .25 longer. Now it's fuckin with my head which one I like more. The stability of the 149 over the 44's is somewhat noticeable, but I swear any board I ride Ace on gets way less wheelbite.
Thank you very much. I just received a message that my local has my 44’s ready to pick up, I asked few weeks ago if I should extend my wheelbase coming from indies and everyone said they’re the same...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on October 25, 2018, 06:55:41 AM
Quote from: rob on October 24, 2018, 09:08:59 PM
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identical AFAIK
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Haha identical AF?? Horny AF?
AFAIK = As Far As I Know
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: melkmelkme on October 25, 2018, 04:50:13 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 22, 2018, 05:27:22 PM
I just slowly tighten them up and skate 51's....

It's crossed my mind to run a hard bottom med top maybe?


I go hard bottom and medium top, love it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: kentrock on October 25, 2018, 05:13:09 PM
Quote from: melkmelkme on October 25, 2018, 04:50:13 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 22, 2018, 05:27:22 PM
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I just slowly tighten them up and skate 51's....

It's crossed my mind to run a hard bottom med top maybe?
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I go hard bottom and medium top, love it.

you dont need to share ur kinks with everyone haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 25, 2018, 05:56:10 PM
Man am I glad they came out with 8.25 thunders and Indy

After some kooking around with the setup as daily I’ve noticed so far I like the stability but with a smaller board

I prefer 8-8.1 and 8.25 trucks are amazing

Especially how light the thunder ti lights are

I weighed them on a digital scale and man it was scary crazy, they’re lighter than 145 lights but they’re bigger which is funky

Thunder titanium’s aren’t a gimmick I guess
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fredonskateboard on October 26, 2018, 02:45:56 AM
Its only the axle thats titanium.
The hollows arent that much heavier?
But ye, considering how rarly one break the trucks, "investing" in some expensive trucks doesnt really matter much
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on October 27, 2018, 04:48:52 AM
Quote from: Fredonskateboard on October 26, 2018, 02:45:56 AM
Its only the axle thats titanium.
The hollows arent that much heavier?
But ye, considering how rarly one break the trucks, "investing" in some expensive trucks doesnt really matter much
But having the axle made out of a harder metal = less likely that you're bolt will get stuck from primo landings fucking up the threads.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on October 27, 2018, 07:10:13 AM
Riptide pivot cups arrived yesterday.  They're clearly far superior in terms of quality.  Installing them the trucks seem a little bit snappier returning to center and the turn is more controllable. 

They're not going to change your life but you could blind fold me and I would easily be able to tell the difference between these and stock.

They're also silent so if squeaky trucks bother you, these will solve that completely.

Note that these are NEW Indy pivot cups in the pics and they come looking like they were chewed up by a rottweiler

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1928/44857048764_5d6e8bc8c0_z.jpg)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1929/31709574438_d1820430b8_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hey pickle on October 27, 2018, 12:41:36 PM
you vs. the pivot cup she tells you not to worry about
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vitriol on October 27, 2018, 04:30:20 PM
My girl uses that one :
(https://thumb.ibb.co/d2ky6V/Flower-cup.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on October 28, 2018, 06:33:10 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 27, 2018, 07:10:13 AM
Riptide pivot cups arrived yesterday.  They're clearly far superior in terms of quality.  Installing them the trucks seem a little bit snappier returning to center and the turn is more controllable. 

They're not going to change your life but you could blind fold me and I would easily be able to tell the difference between these and stock.

They're also silent so if squeaky trucks bother you, these will solve that completely.

Note that these are NEW Indy pivot cups in the pics and they come looking like they were chewed up by a rottweiler

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1928/44857048764_5d6e8bc8c0_z.jpg)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1929/31709574438_d1820430b8_z.jpg)

That is disturbing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on October 28, 2018, 10:11:05 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on October 24, 2018, 09:11:42 PM
Measured Indy Stage 11 and Ace on the same deck- Indy wheelbase is .25 longer. Now it's fuckin with my head which one I like more. The stability of the 149 over the 44's is somewhat noticeable, but I swear any board I ride Ace on gets way less wheelbite.
This is my current problem. I love the way aces skate but I prefer a wider truck for the stability. You’re not crazy about the less wheelbite. Aces are just better in that regard. I’m mostly skating my 55s on a 1991 polar at the moment but have some 44s on an 8.5 for when I get that itch. I settled on 14.25 wheelbase last year on Indy TiTs. But the 14.5 wheelbase on the polar doesn’t give me any problems with aces.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shripshrapper on October 29, 2018, 06:09:06 PM
Quote from: fang on October 28, 2018, 06:33:10 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 27, 2018, 07:10:13 AM
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Riptide pivot cups arrived yesterday.  They're clearly far superior in terms of quality.  Installing them the trucks seem a little bit snappier returning to center and the turn is more controllable. 

They're not going to change your life but you could blind fold me and I would easily be able to tell the difference between these and stock.

They're also silent so if squeaky trucks bother you, these will solve that completely.

Note that these are NEW Indy pivot cups in the pics and they come looking like they were chewed up by a rottweiler

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1928/44857048764_5d6e8bc8c0_z.jpg)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1929/31709574438_d1820430b8_z.jpg)
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That is disturbing

They look good, but I don't think I could handle teal pivot cups.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on October 29, 2018, 06:45:48 PM
you really dont notice them, ive got a lime green set in mine and they dont stick out one bit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FS-OverKOOK on October 29, 2018, 09:08:40 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on October 27, 2018, 04:48:52 AM
Quote from: Fredonskateboard on October 26, 2018, 02:45:56 AM
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Its only the axle thats titanium.
The hollows arent that much heavier?
But ye, considering how rarly one break the trucks, "investing" in some expensive trucks doesnt really matter much
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But having the axle made out of a harder metal = less likely that you're bolt will get stuck from primo landings fucking up the threads.
I've seen sparks on primos with the ti thunders and never had any axle related issues.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on October 29, 2018, 09:16:51 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 27, 2018, 07:10:13 AM
Riptide pivot cups arrived yesterday.  They're clearly far superior in terms of quality.

Me as a heavy ass skater that little change to my trucks, going to riptide's pivot cups from stock ones, were a gae changer. My Ace feel like a freaking dream. The snap back into place faster and smoother. I'll see if they last a while or die just as fast as the rest.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oneOone on October 30, 2018, 06:04:53 AM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on October 29, 2018, 09:16:51 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 27, 2018, 07:10:13 AM
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Riptide pivot cups arrived yesterday.  They're clearly far superior in terms of quality.
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Me as a heavy ass skater that little change to my trucks, going to riptide's pivot cups from stock ones, were a gae changer. My Ace feel like a freaking dream. The snap back into place faster and smoother. I'll see if they last a while or die just as fast as the rest.

Ordered them too, for Venture 5.2 Low Trucks. Will report back.

Currently on Bones Bushings but maybe switching to stock Venture bottom and top Bones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheVisitor on October 30, 2018, 10:40:36 AM
Quote from: oneOone on October 30, 2018, 06:04:53 AM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on October 29, 2018, 09:16:51 PM
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Quote from: BMCsteve on October 27, 2018, 07:10:13 AM
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Riptide pivot cups arrived yesterday.  They're clearly far superior in terms of quality.
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Me as a heavy ass skater that little change to my trucks, going to riptide's pivot cups from stock ones, were a gae changer. My Ace feel like a freaking dream. The snap back into place faster and smoother. I'll see if they last a while or die just as fast as the rest.
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Ordered them too, for Venture 5.2 Low Trucks. Will report back.

Currently on Bones Bushings but maybe switching to stock Venture bottom and top Bones.

Do yourself and favor and switch to Indy Ultra Soft 78A bushings. They are a fucking game changer for Ventures and they only cost 4-6$, so well worth taking a chance on. You won't regret it.

Edit: I meant 78A, the white ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 01, 2018, 06:23:46 PM
CALLING J...SOY....!!!

Or anyone that has a pair of theeve TIH 5.5

Got a pair for sale??
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on November 02, 2018, 07:05:52 AM
Quote from: rob on November 01, 2018, 06:23:46 PM
CALLING J...SOY....!!!

Or anyone that has a pair of theeve TIH 5.5

Got a pair for sale??

Have a pair - not for sale  :P they truly are sticky on metal and slick on 'crete if that's what yer wondering - I use em for my rain/curb setup
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: doublesteveburger on November 02, 2018, 12:02:13 PM
What’s the most affordable way to ship trucks? I have quite a few up for sale but don’t really know how I’d ship them without it being costly to the customer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 02, 2018, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: rob on November 01, 2018, 06:23:46 PM
CALLING J...SOY....!!!

Or anyone that has a pair of theeve TIH 5.5

Got a pair for sale??

Just....sold em....$50 USD but I have a homie who has a set.  His are the 8.5's though I think.  I can check.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Joust Ostrich on November 02, 2018, 04:40:26 PM
Anyone have luck mixing soft and medium bones bushings? 

Picked up some Indy 169's and all I could get were bones soft.  A little too soft on 169's.  So the mediums arrived.

Medium on the bottom, soft on top?  Maybe just use the tops to lower them a touch? 

Or do I just get fatter and ride the mediums.

$14 for pivot cups seems crazy.  But the stock ones are junk.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on November 02, 2018, 07:14:00 PM
Quote from: Joust Ostrich on November 02, 2018, 04:40:26 PM
Anyone have luck mixing soft and medium bones bushings? 

Picked up some Indy 169's and all I could get were bones soft.  A little too soft on 169's.  So the mediums arrived.

Medium on the bottom, soft on top?  Maybe just use the tops to lower them a touch? 

Or do I just get fatter and ride the mediums.

$14 for pivot cups seems crazy.  But the stock ones are junk.

I do this all the time, and the Ace bushings I use now are like that normally. I'm a sucker for a soft bottom and medium to hard top (especially on high trucks), but I've also had luck with that reversed (especially on low trucks).

Do yourself a favor and try the Ace bushings and get some of their pivot cups as well for like $1.50. With shipping it will probably be the price of a set of riptides.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 03, 2018, 03:47:06 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on November 02, 2018, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: rob on November 01, 2018, 06:23:46 PM
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CALLING J...SOY....!!!

Or anyone that has a pair of theeve TIH 5.5

Got a pair for sale??
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Just....sold em....$50 USD but I have a homie who has a set.  His are the 8.5's though I think.  I can check.

Darn...it’s okay, thanks though

I’m looking for more of that 8.18 stability but that tih feel

Idk what it is maybe cause the tih barely changed since the time theeve was out but they’re a lot like the v2 when they did work without the bushing slop

I have the v3 Tiax and they’re alright but they’re nothing like the way the v2 felt, the v2 just sucked where the bushing wouldn’t stay in place is all

These tih though, love the feel

Might not love that sticky on metal situation though but I don’t really look for or grind metal coping stuff

I love the crusty streets and it’s harsh ledges
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 03, 2018, 08:52:00 AM
Yeah....they are the 8.5's.....

Overall they were good trucks, lasted forever, no axel slip, light, but I skate too many parks and skate super slow....so I need all the help grinding I can get.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Daniel on November 04, 2018, 01:02:46 AM
after two sets of newer aces bending, went back to indy. with indy 78a replacements, the turn is great.
are the ace bushings in indys that good??
never tried the hard top soft bottom on anything besides stock ace...
also thinking of trying ventures out again..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on November 04, 2018, 07:02:12 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on November 03, 2018, 08:52:00 AM
Yeah....they are the 8.5's.....

Overall they were good trucks, lasted forever, no axel slip, light, but I skate too many parks and skate super slow....so I need all the help grinding I can get.

This is my life and why I never got the TiH
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: snickers on November 05, 2018, 01:45:32 AM
just set up a new complete with thunder 149s. stock bushings seem just fine though i loosened them up as much as possible. i prefer the back truck to be looser than then front.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CoMpLeMeNts4U on November 05, 2018, 02:47:00 AM
Been skating thunders like this now and it's perfect. Thunder 99 duro replacement bushings bones bottom washer stock top. Only thing I did was switch up to cast baseplates. Anyone else find the forged ones harsh? Almost too stiff or something I dunno sounds weird.
(https://i.postimg.cc/wTQckSyk/IMG-20181103-005252.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1f4qm7Kg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hey pickle on November 05, 2018, 09:53:16 AM
i love how the forged ones feel - i dont know how to put it into words but it sounds totally different to cash and feels different under your feet. i dont know if its just mental but i skate better with forged plates
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on November 06, 2018, 08:38:04 AM
RipTide Cups for Mini Logo. (https://www.daddiesboardshop.com/riptide-mini-logo-street-pivot-cups-wfb)
https://www.daddiesboardshop.com/riptide-mini-logo-street-pivot-cups-wfb

Yes, pivot cups that cost half as much as just buying new trucks. Yet, I'm probably doing it. 

My cups are toast, and while I could get 10 mini logo cups for $10 shipped - why not go big?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 06, 2018, 09:29:43 AM
Quote from: backinaction on November 06, 2018, 08:38:04 AM
RipTide Cups for Mini Logo. (https://www.daddiesboardshop.com/riptide-mini-logo-street-pivot-cups-wfb)
https://www.daddiesboardshop.com/riptide-mini-logo-street-pivot-cups-wfb

Yes, pivot cups that cost half as much as just buying new trucks. Yet, I'm probably doing it. 

My cups are toast, and while I could get 10 mini logo cups for $10 shipped - why not go big?

Riptide cups for Minilogo.

The universe is folding in on itself =D

Enjoy them, Riptides are great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 07, 2018, 12:57:13 PM
Quote from: Daniel on November 04, 2018, 01:02:46 AM
after two sets of newer aces bending, went back to indy. with indy 78a replacements, the turn is great.
are the ace bushings in indys that good??
never tried the hard top soft bottom on anything besides stock ace...
also thinking of trying ventures out again..


The new ACE LOW bushings in Indy's are fucking amazing (having also tried to mix and match duros with aftermarket indys with no success). Like I mentioned prior the bottom bushing is just a hair shorter than the aftermarkets (tops are the same size), you just barley see the height difference side by side. They're snappier and more stable than using soft indy conicals.

Like having them in ACEs, there is next to no break-in time, and they do stiffen up.

I ride loose.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Daniel on November 07, 2018, 03:30:25 PM
^^i'll have to give it a try, sounds great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SoapyEyes on November 09, 2018, 09:45:13 PM
Just snapped a kingpin on one of my trucks today so I'm rocking a krindy 139 in the back
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 11, 2018, 02:04:58 PM
^ Speaking of frankentrucks. Anyone here think an Indy stage 5 hanger would work on say...an Ace baseplate? They don’t have new school bolt patterns on the stage 5 plates.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on November 11, 2018, 06:42:38 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on November 11, 2018, 02:04:58 PM
^ Speaking of frankentrucks. Anyone here think an Indy stage 5 hanger would work on say...an Ace baseplate? They don’t have new school bolt patterns on the stage 5 plates.

I have some stage 6 Indys.  I just bolted them to a deck with the two inner holes, made sure they were straight, then drilled the new holes through them using the deck as the guide. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 12, 2018, 06:03:24 AM
Thanks that’s a good idea. Unfortunately the set I was watching on eBay was bought yesterday. They were pretty much brand new...I should have jumped on it when they were first listed :'(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: exiled on November 12, 2018, 03:59:46 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 27, 2018, 07:10:13 AM
Riptide pivot cups arrived yesterday.  They're clearly far superior in terms of quality.  Installing them the trucks seem a little bit snappier returning to center and the turn is more controllable. 

They're not going to change your life but you could blind fold me and I would easily be able to tell the difference between these and stock.

They're also silent so if squeaky trucks bother you, these will solve that completely.

Note that these are NEW Indy pivot cups in the pics and they come looking like they were chewed up by a rottweiler

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1928/44857048764_5d6e8bc8c0_z.jpg)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1929/31709574438_d1820430b8_z.jpg)

Well, I saw your post and decided to order a set of pivot cups for my Indy 149 hollows on my cruiser.

Also ordered a set of bushings to try out. I'm currently running Bones HC medium on top (roadside) and hard on the bottom.

Riptide has so many damn options on their site I had to research all the different formulas and shapes all friggin day to figure out what to order. I went with the APS forumula cause it's apparently pretty bouncy and jelly-like. Went with the super hard (97.5a) barrel shape for the bottom and medium 90a short cone shape for the roadside. We'll see if it works the way I'm thinking or if I just fucked up and wasted like $20. I'll report back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: max power on November 12, 2018, 09:00:24 PM
Without digging through the entire thread. Do bones bushings work in Ventures? If not what does?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on November 12, 2018, 09:25:07 PM
Quote from: max power on November 12, 2018, 09:00:24 PM
Without digging through the entire thread. Do bones bushings work in Ventures? If not what does?
http://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?action=printpage;topic=88869.0
ctrl+f "bones bushings"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on November 12, 2018, 10:22:33 PM
Quote from: max power on November 12, 2018, 09:00:24 PM
Without digging through the entire thread. Do bones bushings work in Ventures? If not what does?

They work fine on Venture Highs. Indy bushings work too as they have the exact same dimensions as Venture bushings. I have Indy Super Softs on mine without the bottom washer to make them turn. Nice for cruising the streets and whatnot but tight turns are never gonna happen.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on November 13, 2018, 04:11:29 PM
As someone who's new to the concept of really changing up truck set-ups (been skating for 18+ years and just haven't ever been exposed to it I guess) - what are some good entry level things to experiment with? I'm currently riding some kind of krux (don't know the variety even) and I'm thinking of switching out the bushings because the stock ones are getting fried and are not as responsive as they used to be. It seems like there's only a certain level of cross-compatibility between truck brands and bushings, so I'm not sure if I just went for Ace or Bones if they would necessarily work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on November 13, 2018, 04:25:01 PM
Quote from: Beeker on November 02, 2018, 07:41:44 PM
I love my Krux with Ace bushings. I can't stop posting about them and I dream about them at night. I'll just stand on my board in the garage and tilt in the middle of the night while my family sleeps. It's pure magic.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 13, 2018, 04:49:51 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on November 13, 2018, 04:11:29 PM
As someone who's new to the concept of really changing up truck set-ups (been skating for 18+ years and just haven't ever been exposed to it I guess) - what are some good entry level things to experiment with? I'm currently riding some kind of krux (don't know the variety even) and I'm thinking of switching out the bushings because the stock ones are getting fried and are not as responsive as they used to be. It seems like there's only a certain level of cross-compatibility between truck brands and bushings, so I'm not sure if I just went for Ace or Bones if they would necessarily work.

Definitely ace and get the regular high ones off SoCal skate shop

I bought both the low and standard high ace bushings and the low work perfect for regular trucks like Indy, thunder, venture, destructo probably, maybe silver, and those norm trucks

But trucks with a long kingpin like Krux, theeve, and  ace you gotta go with the standard high so the nut can be tightened flush or just a bit over to be flush

Those 3 trucks don’t take regular height bushings cranked flush, there’s such a wobble gap.

Even with my current theeve tih I have to use both washers with bones bushings and I still  have to crank it 2-3 threads to be just flush
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stets on November 13, 2018, 11:01:15 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on November 11, 2018, 02:04:58 PM
^ Speaking of frankentrucks. Anyone here think an Indy stage 5 hanger would work on say...an Ace baseplate? They don’t have new school bolt patterns on the stage 5 plates.

I threw a pair of Stage 5 169 hangers on stage 11 forged baseplates. The geometry worked out just fine. You can find them online sold just as the baseplates, with a kind of long kingpin installed already. All I had to do was cut down the kingpin a little bit.

After searching for the forged baseplates, looks like they are gone but you can get the normal baseplate at places like Tactics

https://www.tactics.com/independent/6-hole-baseplate-kingpin-1-baseplate/silver (https://www.tactics.com/independent/6-hole-baseplate-kingpin-1-baseplate/silver)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cthulhu! on November 14, 2018, 05:05:24 PM
Regular tall Ace bushings in Krux sounds crazy enough to work. I'll set that up soon.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on November 15, 2018, 11:29:29 AM
All this shit has got me thinking of wild things i could throw together. Like, since I got tensor Mags around and they sucked ass for everything except being super grindy, could i just pop the hanger off and throw that on a different brand baseplate? Who here's got the most frankensteined trucks? Curious about what ppl's experience is in this.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on November 15, 2018, 12:28:46 PM
i am having some madness lately but with bushings.

i have tried:

thunder clear orange
the white indy bushings
bones medium
bones soft
bones medium on the bottom and soft on top

i love the way bones mediums feel as far as turnings and carving goes but i don't like that they blow out easily. that yellow plastic part sucks. can anyone recommend some bushings that are like bones but last longer?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on November 15, 2018, 01:17:35 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on November 15, 2018, 11:29:29 AM
Who here's got the most frankensteined trucks? Curious about what ppl's experience is in this.
Theeve TiAX hangar
ACE Magnesium baselplates
Bones mediums
Krux downlow kingpins
Riptide pivot cups
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on November 15, 2018, 01:31:52 PM
Quote from: Firebert on November 15, 2018, 01:17:35 PM
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Who here's got the most frankensteined trucks? Curious about what ppl's experience is in this.
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Theeve TiAX hangar
ACE Magnesium baselplates
Bones mediums
Krux downlow kingpins
Riptide pivot cups

how much did this cost and do you think it was worth it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on November 15, 2018, 02:04:37 PM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on November 15, 2018, 01:31:52 PM
Quote from: Firebert on November 15, 2018, 01:17:35 PM
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Who here's got the most frankensteined trucks? Curious about what ppl's experience is in this.
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Theeve TiAX hangar $50
ACE Magnesium baselplates $20?
Bones mediums $12
Krux downlow kingpins $8
Riptide pivot cups $15
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how much did this cost and do you think it was worth it?
I guess the total would come out to about $100 if you got all the parts at once - I would totally do it again (good luck finding ACE mag plates), its a nice unique feeling turn, and you can't get any lighter other than putting a TiH hanger -which I did try, but didn't like the way TiH sticks on metal.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: exiled on November 15, 2018, 03:07:23 PM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on November 15, 2018, 12:28:46 PM
i am having some madness lately but with bushings.

i have tried:

thunder clear orange
the white indy bushings
bones medium
bones soft
bones medium on the bottom and soft on top

i love the way bones mediums feel as far as turnings and carving goes but i don't like that they blow out easily. that yellow plastic part sucks. can anyone recommend some bushings that are like bones but last longer?
Riptide Street APS
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on November 15, 2018, 04:51:13 PM
Quote from: Firebert on November 15, 2018, 02:04:37 PM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on November 15, 2018, 01:31:52 PM
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Quote from: Firebert on November 15, 2018, 01:17:35 PM
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Who here's got the most frankensteined trucks? Curious about what ppl's experience is in this.
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Theeve TiAX hangar $50
ACE Magnesium baselplates $20?
Bones mediums $12
Krux downlow kingpins $8
Riptide pivot cups $15
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how much did this cost and do you think it was worth it?
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I guess the total would come out to about $100 if you got all the parts at once - I would totally do it again (good luck finding ACE mag plates), its a nice unique feeling turn, and you can't get any lighter other than putting a TiH hanger -which I did try, but didn't like the way TiH sticks on metal.

this setup sounds sick. do the regular TiAX hangers grind decently?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on November 16, 2018, 06:53:20 AM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on November 15, 2018, 04:51:13 PM
this setup sounds sick. do the regular TiAX hangers grind decently?
Very much
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 16, 2018, 08:15:12 AM
It's been a bit so.....

The ACE baseplates alleviate those pesky markings that prevent everyone from skating the trucks... You know...the THEEVE.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on November 16, 2018, 10:33:11 AM
So I got some Ace Low and High bushings for my Indy Stage XI. I had read to use the tall lower bushing and low upper, but when I put the bushings next to one another, the Ace Low were the closest thing to the Indy size. The tall Ace lower bushing was way larger than the Indy. Do the bushings really compress that much?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on November 16, 2018, 03:54:56 PM
I noticed something the other day.  On Theeve trucks, the hanger dick that fucks the pivot cup is girthier than other brands.

That must be why they bind up and run out of travel.

Krux supposedly have a similar behavior.  Based on their pivot cups I would guess that they get the binding by having a longer hanger dick than other trucks.


I don't believe the oval hole in Theeve's yoke affects how they turn, but it is sorta nice in that it marks up you bushings so you can tell how they were oriented if you take em apart and put em back together.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on November 17, 2018, 01:02:05 AM
Quote from: full of jerks on November 16, 2018, 03:54:56 PM
hanger dick
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MOE SYZLAK on November 17, 2018, 01:02:22 AM
Thinking about downsizing the width of my setup at the beginning of the year. Unfortunately that means dropping form my ace 44’s to 33’s.
I have also contemplated going back to thunder hi’s
Anyone know if a krux downlow kingpin will fit in thunders?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on November 17, 2018, 01:41:58 AM
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hanger dick
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Hahaha yes, I’m starting to call pivot hanger dick from now on 😂😂
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on November 17, 2018, 02:47:09 AM
Quote from: MOE SYZLAK on November 17, 2018, 01:02:22 AM
Thinking about downsizing the width of my setup at the beginning of the year. Unfortunately that means dropping form my ace 44’s to 33’s.
I have also contemplated going back to thunder hi’s
Anyone know if a krux downlow kingpin will fit in thunders?

What size are you thinking about going down to? I have a friend that skates 8.125 on 44s and it's pretty flush, could probably run them on 8 inch boards without it looking weird. The 44s are quite versatile.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MOE SYZLAK on November 17, 2018, 02:51:28 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on November 17, 2018, 02:47:09 AM
Quote from: MOE SYZLAK on November 17, 2018, 01:02:22 AM
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Thinking about downsizing the width of my setup at the beginning of the year. Unfortunately that means dropping form my ace 44’s to 33’s.
I have also contemplated going back to thunder hi’s
Anyone know if a krux downlow kingpin will fit in thunders?
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What size are you thinking about going down to? I have a friend that skates 8.125 on 44s and it's pretty flush, could probably run them on 8 inch boards without it looking weird. The 44s are quite versatile.
Probably stepping down to 8.06
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on November 17, 2018, 02:53:55 AM
Quote from: MOE SYZLAK on November 17, 2018, 02:51:28 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on November 17, 2018, 02:47:09 AM
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Thinking about downsizing the width of my setup at the beginning of the year. Unfortunately that means dropping form my ace 44’s to 33’s.
I have also contemplated going back to thunder hi’s
Anyone know if a krux downlow kingpin will fit in thunders?
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What size are you thinking about going down to? I have a friend that skates 8.125 on 44s and it's pretty flush, could probably run them on 8 inch boards without it looking weird. The 44s are quite versatile.
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Probably stepping down to 8.06

I see, honestly don't think 44s will be a problem on that. Also, I had krux inverted pins in thunder 149 standards and it worked fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on November 17, 2018, 05:40:48 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on November 16, 2018, 10:33:11 AM
So I got some Ace Low and High bushings for my Indy Stage XI. I had read to use the tall lower bushing and low upper, but when I put the bushings next to one another, the Ace Low were the closest thing to the Indy size. The tall Ace lower bushing was way larger than the Indy. Do the bushings really compress that much?

They don't compress really, just use the low ones in Indy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 17, 2018, 07:51:55 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on November 17, 2018, 02:53:55 AM
Quote from: MOE SYZLAK on November 17, 2018, 02:51:28 AM
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Quote from: tzhangdox on November 17, 2018, 02:47:09 AM
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Quote from: MOE SYZLAK on November 17, 2018, 01:02:22 AM
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Thinking about downsizing the width of my setup at the beginning of the year. Unfortunately that means dropping form my ace 44’s to 33’s.
I have also contemplated going back to thunder hi’s
Anyone know if a krux downlow kingpin will fit in thunders?
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What size are you thinking about going down to? I have a friend that skates 8.125 on 44s and it's pretty flush, could probably run them on 8 inch boards without it looking weird. The 44s are quite versatile.
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Probably stepping down to 8.06
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I see, honestly don't think 44s will be a problem on that. Also, I had krux inverted pins in thunder 149 standards and it worked fine.

Nah....if you're in the truck thread.....44's on an 8.06....NEVER....they are like 8 3/8 hangers...

I have the krux kingpin on my team hollows.....they are regular ones though...I suspect the highs would work if you get the cast baseplates.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: poor alice on November 17, 2018, 04:36:44 PM
Some frakensteined trucks I’ve cobbled together have been great while most of them have been dogshit- like the venture baseplate and kingpin with Bam Destructro hanger for my back truck. The hanger was Hi and as it was back hanger that I was replacing, my board resembled a drag racer.

My usual truck set up (current and for the last 7 years or so) has been:

Thunder 149’s

Immediately replace the bushings with Bones medium- I swear by these and for years would categorically not even consider riding anything else. However as others mentioned here they do seem to blow out, or rather blow in, in that the yellow plastic gets impacted into the main piece after a few months of skating.

If the Thunder’s I buy don’t come with a hollow kingpin I will replace the Kingpin with a hollow one.

Whether my switch to medium bushings, wider trucks and increased looseness directly contributed to my progression in skating I do not know but that’s the way it is in my head. Possibly because that time period I came to this truck setup was also a time in which I was skating for hours every day without fail and thus I got better at it.

Anyway I’m currently riding 149 thunder hollow kingpins (no hollow axle :( are they still a thing in thunder trucks?) Chris Miller model that seems to be low as, with an 8inch Armanto Birdhouse. The wheels don’t stick out that much but it’s defo strange when I step in someone else’s deck and I can’t even glimpse the wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: exiled on November 17, 2018, 08:20:31 PM
Skated the Riptide pivot cups today. The hanger definitely bounces back smoother now and they do effect the feel of everything slightly.

The stock Indy cups that came with my trucks didn't seem to be as shitty as the ones posted above. The material on the stock ones is a harder plastic... the Riptides are a softer, bouncier urethane.

(https://i.imgur.com/9962Z52.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on November 17, 2018, 08:31:35 PM
Quote from: exiled on November 17, 2018, 08:20:31 PM
Skated the Riptide pivot cups today. The hanger definitely bounces back smoother now and they do effect the feel of everything slightly.

The stock Indy cups that came with my trucks didn't seem to be as shitty as the ones posted above. The material on the stock ones is a harder plastic... the Riptides are a softer, bouncier urethane.

(https://i.imgur.com/9962Z52.jpg)
good or bad?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: exiled on November 17, 2018, 09:21:25 PM
Quote from: pointandclick on November 17, 2018, 08:31:35 PM
Quote from: exiled on November 17, 2018, 08:20:31 PM
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Skated the Riptide pivot cups today. The hanger definitely bounces back smoother now and they do effect the feel of everything slightly.

The stock Indy cups that came with my trucks didn't seem to be as shitty as the ones posted above. The material on the stock ones is a harder plastic... the Riptides are a softer, bouncier urethane.

(https://i.imgur.com/9962Z52.jpg)
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good or bad?

I like them so far on my cruiser. They'd be good on a regular setup too. They get rid of that sloppy feeling you get sometimes... Turns feel more responsive.

Worth the 15 bucks or whatever they cost.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on November 19, 2018, 07:00:48 AM
I'm gonna keep reading this thread but nothing will convince me to spend $15 on pivot cups. Recently went up in board sizes so I switched from Thunder 147s to 148 Team Hollows. Skating them stock and they are perfect. They're noticeably less squirrelly and less wheelbitey than 147s for sure. Anyone on the fence about 147 vs 148 I say go 148 because they really do bring in some welcome stability and a little extra height without sacrificing that quick Thunder feel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 19, 2018, 09:04:45 AM
It's pretty early in the game dude......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 19, 2018, 08:12:51 PM
Quote from: baustin on November 19, 2018, 07:00:48 AM
I'm gonna keep reading this thread but nothing will convince me to spend $15 on pivot cups. Recently went up in board sizes so I switched from Thunder 147s to 148 Team Hollows. Skating them stock and they are perfect. They're noticeably less squirrelly and less wheelbitey than 147s for sure. Anyone on the fence about 147 vs 148 I say go 148 because they really do bring in some welcome stability and a little extra height without sacrificing that quick Thunder feel.

I knew I wasn’t losing it more than I already have with trucks when I read this

I was loving my 148 and considered going back down since I wanna down size boards but after that feedback I’ll stay with 148 for thunder

Still enjoying my 5.25 theeve tih just with I had the 5.5...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on November 20, 2018, 12:28:04 PM
Can someone confirm what Ace bushings they're actually running in Indys? Both measure 2mm shorter or taller, which if you want to believe the Bones/Thunder mismatch would ruin the pivot cup and change the hanger yoke angle. With the tall lower and short upper the yoke seems to get stuck and not return to center. With the short upper and lower it does the same, but less so. Might just get the red Indy aftermarket.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 20, 2018, 01:35:13 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on November 20, 2018, 12:28:04 PM
Can someone confirm what Ace bushings they're actually running in Indys? Both measure 2mm shorter or taller, which if you want to believe the Bones/Thunder mismatch would ruin the pivot cup and change the hanger yoke angle. With the tall lower and short upper the yoke seems to get stuck and not return to center. With the short upper and lower it does the same, but less so. Might just get the red Indy aftermarket.

I'm running the NEW ACE LOW bushings in 149 Indy TI.

The ACE (lo) top bushings is the exact same size (if it isn't I can't tell) as the STOCK indys (aftermarket indy tops are taller, hell if I know why).

The ACE (lo) bottoms are just a hair shorter than stock indy bottoms, you have to squint to see it (you can actually feel the difference if you put both bushings side by side and put your finger (or thumpad) over the top of them); the height difference is probably ~than 1mm, if that.

Best feeling Indy's I've ever ridden this side of the S2 / S5. The bushings make a world of difference and the aftermarket indys dont' even come close, even if you mix match duros to get as close as you can to the ACEs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fredonskateboard on November 21, 2018, 01:18:12 AM
I've been thinking about buying some new Thunder Titanium Lights 149s on Black Friday, so that I can size up to a 8,3-8,5 board. But I see theres Titanium lights 3, and just regular titanium lights. Any special difference?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on November 21, 2018, 04:09:39 AM
Quote from: Fredonskateboard on November 21, 2018, 01:18:12 AM
I've been thinking about buying some new Thunder Titanium Lights 149s on Black Friday, so that I can size up to a 8,3-8,5 board. But I see theres Titanium lights 3, and just regular titanium lights. Any special difference?

Same thing.  The only ones that are different are the team titaniums which have a 1mm taller cast baseplate
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 21, 2018, 06:35:29 AM
how are the stock black bushings in models like the reynolds indys? are they as shitty as the orange ones? would be nice if they didn’t need to be swapped out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on November 21, 2018, 09:48:30 AM
I just want to give a huge shout out to Destructo, I was just browsing around and accidentally bought two sets of sale trucks, with extra 20% from a code I stumbled on in the sale gear thread.

One of the trucks was out, and he asked if he could replace them, I asked with what, cause that pair had mag plates so I said that was what I wanted, so he hooked me up with a nnew set of trucks with mag plates and hollow kingpins.

As I said they were on sale, 29 dollars, and I had 20% extra, and this guy still hooks it up, gnars to Destructo!


I know someone here skates them, which ones do you ride?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tally810 on November 24, 2018, 09:28:23 PM
Broke down and got some riptide pivot cups and so far so good.  It seems to make the bounce back of the truck more fluid and consistent. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shripshrapper on November 24, 2018, 10:46:38 PM
My truck madness has finally calmed down. I don't mind high trucks after spending time on big wheels (56 and up), all I need is Indy's slow turn. It makes up for my sloppiness and attempts as high speed skating.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fredonskateboard on November 25, 2018, 08:04:41 AM
Alrighty... So ive ordered a pair of Thunder 149s.
Plan was to just order some bones bushings straight away, cause I hate the stock ones as I weight 200lbs.
I read some shit on reddit that barrel/cylinder shaped bottom bushings are better than coned, cause its more progressive when leaning, compared to coned. Seems good for wheelbite prevention. Anyone tried this? Specificly, using indy barrel/cylinder bushings on thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Italianshredder96 on November 25, 2018, 10:00:33 AM
Quote from: Fredonskateboard on November 25, 2018, 08:04:41 AM
Alrighty... So ive ordered a pair of Thunder 149s.
Plan was to just order some bones bushings straight away, cause I hate the stock ones as I weight 200lbs.
I read some shit on reddit that barrel/cylinder shaped bottom bushings are better than coned, cause its more progressive when leaning, compared to coned. Seems good for wheelbite prevention. Anyone tried this? Specificly, using indy barrel/cylinder bushings on thunders

I did they don't thurn as smooth as conical, barrel tend to snap back into place without actually turning at least in thunders...try thunder bushings, bones will blow out in less than a month.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 25, 2018, 03:43:05 PM
Quote from: Fredonskateboard on November 25, 2018, 08:04:41 AM
Alrighty... So ive ordered a pair of Thunder 149s.
Plan was to just order some bones bushings straight away, cause I hate the stock ones as I weight 200lbs.
I read some shit on reddit that barrel/cylinder shaped bottom bushings are better than coned, cause its more progressive when leaning, compared to coned. Seems good for wheelbite prevention. Anyone tried this? Specificly, using indy barrel/cylinder bushings on thunders

Never had any luck with Bones in Thunders. Always felt they bound up your turn, like stock Ventures. Kind of a gross feeling turn (but I'm a twig so that could also be it). Always stuck with stock Thunder bushings, 90a. That said, had a pair of Aces sitting around unused, I stuck the bottom Ace barrel bushings on the Thunders, and kept the stock Thunder tops. Incredible turn. No wheel bite. Slightly slower and less twitchy than a stock Thunder turn, but just as deep. I think Rob said the Ace lows (same barrel bottom but with a skinner Thunder sized top) work as direct replacements if you don't want to mix and match.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on November 25, 2018, 03:44:28 PM
Quote from: Fredonskateboard on November 25, 2018, 08:04:41 AM
Alrighty... So ive ordered a pair of Thunder 149s.
Plan was to just order some bones bushings straight away, cause I hate the stock ones as I weight 200lbs.
I read some shit on reddit that barrel/cylinder shaped bottom bushings are better than coned, cause its more progressive when leaning, compared to coned. Seems good for wheelbite prevention. Anyone tried this? Specificly, using indy barrel/cylinder bushings on thunders

get the thunder black bushing rebuild kit or the neon yellow bushings.  both are 100a and hard as rocks

https://www.tactics.com/thunder/truck-rebuild-kit/black

https://www.tactics.com/thunder/skate-bushing-tube-2-truck-set/neon-yellow-maximum
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CoMpLeMeNts4U on November 25, 2018, 05:21:34 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/cHFZMMrC/IMG-20181124-005035.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qh69pKcH)
 Skating the neon now with bones washers they are amazing.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: exiled on November 26, 2018, 11:27:59 AM
I just picked up a set of Riptide bushings to try out on the cruiser and I have to say... this is, by far, the biggest upgrade I've ever done for my setup aside from a set of Oust Moc9s...

Seriously amazing how flowy and smooth these things are. They bounce right back to center every time.

I went with the KranK formula. Street barrel on the boardside in 93a and short street cone in 87a roadside. Those shapes are the perfect fit in a set of Indy hollows.

I'm 120 lbs, so pretty much everyone that weighs more should probably go up a bit on the duro. I haven't been able to get wheelbite yet, but I could definitely see it happening at higher speeds in a super tight turn. I'm going to try a set of 90a for roadside. Those will for sure make it perfect.

I had Bones Hardcore before and thought those were a huge upgrade from stock... These Riptides are so much smoother and bouncy than the Bones if you can imagine that. I kept the bones on my normal board just cause I don't see the point in upgrading that stuff any further since it gets beat to shit, but I was looking to get my cruiser as much like a longboard as possible. Finally happy with it, going to leave it alone and see how everything holds up.

Setup is as follows:
Indy hollows 159
Indy 1/8" shock pads
Riptide 96a pivot cups
Riptide KranK 93a street barrel boardside
Riptide KranK 87a short street cone roadside
OJ Hot Juice 55mm minis
Oust Moc9 bearings with speed rings, spacers and nuts tight

(https://i.imgur.com/e2sOKzN.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shripshrapper on November 26, 2018, 11:50:23 AM
I'm gonna need a bigger picture before I comment.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: geezer on November 26, 2018, 01:26:33 PM
Thinking of switching from Indy to Ace.  This may have been answered before in the previous 150 pages, but...
I ride 8.5 boards (occasionally 8.38) and indy 149s fit pretty perfectly.  I feel like the Ace 44 might be a tad too small and the 55 a tad too big.  I've been mostly just skating curbs lately, so I'm leaning towards the 55s, as I don't like it when trucks are too small beneath the board.  Anyone try this setup?  Feedback?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 26, 2018, 01:41:57 PM
Quote from: geezer on November 26, 2018, 01:26:33 PM
Thinking of switching from Indy to Ace.  This may have been answered before in the previous 150 pages, but...
I ride 8.5 boards (occasionally 8.38) and indy 149s fit pretty perfectly.  I feel like the Ace 44 might be a tad too small and the 55 a tad too big.  I've been mostly just skating curbs lately, so I'm leaning towards the 55s, as I don't like it when trucks are too small beneath the board.  Anyone try this setup?  Feedback?

Been thinking about making the Indy to ace jump but worry about being able to lock in and pinch crooked grinds as well as on indys
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Decreed Bratton on November 26, 2018, 02:28:39 PM
Quote from: geezer on November 26, 2018, 01:26:33 PM
Thinking of switching from Indy to Ace.  This may have been answered before in the previous 150 pages, but...
I ride 8.5 boards (occasionally 8.38) and indy 149s fit pretty perfectly.  I feel like the Ace 44 might be a tad too small and the 55 a tad too big.  I've been mostly just skating curbs lately, so I'm leaning towards the 55s, as I don't like it when trucks are too small beneath the board.  Anyone try this setup?  Feedback?

Don't get 55's unless you step up your deck size. The jump is too big IMO. 55's are 9 inches. That's bigger than Indy 159's and almost as big as 169's. It irritates me that Ace don't make something between 44's and 55's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CoMpLeMeNts4U on November 26, 2018, 02:55:28 PM
Quote from: Decreed Bratton on November 26, 2018, 02:28:39 PM
Quote from: geezer on November 26, 2018, 01:26:33 PM
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Thinking of switching from Indy to Ace.  This may have been answered before in the previous 150 pages, but...
I ride 8.5 boards (occasionally 8.38) and indy 149s fit pretty perfectly.  I feel like the Ace 44 might be a tad too small and the 55 a tad too big.  I've been mostly just skating curbs lately, so I'm leaning towards the 55s, as I don't like it when trucks are too small beneath the board.  Anyone try this setup?  Feedback?
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Don't get 55's unless you step up your deck size. The jump is too big IMO. 55's are 9 inches. That's bigger than Indy 159's and almost as big as 169's. It irritates me that Ace don't make something between 44's and 55's.
Nobody goes against Decreed brattons advice on ace trucks and gets away with it. The last person to do this disappeared. His name? Decreed bratton.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on November 26, 2018, 05:41:41 PM
Can some nerd tell me what the fuck durometer I should pick for these $15 pivot cups I'm going to buy? I skate pretty much just street/park with very minimal transition shit, lots of ledge and manual combo BS. I'm guessing the harder the duro the snappier the response, and the softer the smoother but less speedy?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on November 26, 2018, 06:37:55 PM
Quote from: exiled on November 26, 2018, 11:27:59 AM


I'm 120 lbs, so pretty much everyone that weighs more should probably go up a bit on the duro.

Nope. close to 200lbs here and thouroughly enjoy 88a bushings. I'd kook you if I'd committed to one username....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on November 26, 2018, 06:40:09 PM
Quote from: geezer on November 26, 2018, 01:26:33 PM
Thinking of switching from Indy to Ace.  This may have been answered before in the previous 150 pages, but...
I ride 8.5 boards (occasionally 8.38) and indy 149s fit pretty perfectly.  I feel like the Ace 44 might be a tad too small and the 55 a tad too big.  I've been mostly just skating curbs lately, so I'm leaning towards the 55s, as I don't like it when trucks are too small beneath the board.  Anyone try this setup?  Feedback?

Hangers on Indy 149 are 149mm
Hangers on Ace 44 are 146mm

In other words 3mm difference or 1.5mm each side. You will be just fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 26, 2018, 07:23:24 PM
Quote from: Not Local on November 26, 2018, 06:40:09 PM
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Thinking of switching from Indy to Ace.  This may have been answered before in the previous 150 pages, but...
I ride 8.5 boards (occasionally 8.38) and indy 149s fit pretty perfectly.  I feel like the Ace 44 might be a tad too small and the 55 a tad too big.  I've been mostly just skating curbs lately, so I'm leaning towards the 55s, as I don't like it when trucks are too small beneath the board.  Anyone try this setup?  Feedback?
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Hangers on Indy 149 are 149mm
Hangers on Ace 44 are 146mm

In other words 3mm difference or 1.5mm each side. You will be just fine.

Can confirm. Had 44's on an 8.5 for a while. Unnoticeable differential, especially if you run conicals.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on November 26, 2018, 07:33:15 PM
Quote from: palelight on November 26, 2018, 07:23:24 PM
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Thinking of switching from Indy to Ace.  This may have been answered before in the previous 150 pages, but...
I ride 8.5 boards (occasionally 8.38) and indy 149s fit pretty perfectly.  I feel like the Ace 44 might be a tad too small and the 55 a tad too big.  I've been mostly just skating curbs lately, so I'm leaning towards the 55s, as I don't like it when trucks are too small beneath the board.  Anyone try this setup?  Feedback?
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Hangers on Indy 149 are 149mm
Hangers on Ace 44 are 146mm

In other words 3mm difference or 1.5mm each side. You will be just fine.
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Can confirm. Had 44's on an 8.5 for a while. Unnoticeable differential, especially if you run conicals.

+1, also you can run 2 washers on the inside of the axle to pad it out a bit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: exiled on November 27, 2018, 05:39:25 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on November 26, 2018, 05:41:41 PM
Can some nerd tell me what the fuck durometer I should pick for these $15 pivot cups I'm going to buy? I skate pretty much just street/park with very minimal transition shit, lots of ledge and manual combo BS. I'm guessing the harder the duro the snappier the response, and the softer the smoother but less speedy?

96a


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I'm 120 lbs, so pretty much everyone that weighs more should probably go up a bit on the duro.
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Nope. close to 200lbs here and thouroughly enjoy 88a bushings. I'd kook you if I'd committed to one username....

Someone sounds butthurt
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on November 27, 2018, 08:27:03 PM
Quite the opposite.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Quique on November 28, 2018, 01:46:29 PM
So I have a pair of 139 standard for sale, just looking to try something new. Was eyeing some tiax 5.5, but then someone offered to trade the indys for ventures 5.2 hi lights.

Anyone have tried these two? How are they compared to indys?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tally810 on November 28, 2018, 08:04:46 PM
Quote from: exiled on November 26, 2018, 11:27:59 AM
I just picked up a set of Riptide bushings to try out on the cruiser and I have to say... this is, by far, the biggest upgrade I've ever done for my setup aside from a set of Oust Moc9s...

Seriously amazing how flowy and smooth these things are. They bounce right back to center every time.

I went with the KranK formula. Street barrel on the boardside in 93a and short street cone in 87a roadside. Those shapes are the perfect fit in a set of Indy hollows.

I'm 120 lbs, so pretty much everyone that weighs more should probably go up a bit on the duro. I haven't been able to get wheelbite yet, but I could definitely see it happening at higher speeds in a super tight turn. I'm going to try a set of 90a for roadside. Those will for sure make it perfect.

I had Bones Hardcore before and thought those were a huge upgrade from stock... These Riptides are so much smoother and bouncy than the Bones if you can imagine that. I kept the bones on my normal board just cause I don't see the point in upgrading that stuff any further since it gets beat to shit, but I was looking to get my cruiser as much like a longboard as possible. Finally happy with it, going to leave it alone and see how everything holds up.

Setup is as follows:
Indy hollows 159
Indy 1/8" shock pads
Riptide 96a pivot cups
Riptide KranK 93a street barrel boardside
Riptide KranK 87a short street cone roadside
OJ Hot Juice 55mm minis
Oust Moc9 bearings with speed rings, spacers and nuts tight

(https://i.imgur.com/e2sOKzN.jpg)
I have some of the oust street bearings and man were they great right out of the box.  However a month later and I have a few bearings that are blown out so I'm not sure about the skater rating they use.  So far nothing really touches bones swiss
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on November 29, 2018, 09:48:27 AM
Quote from: Fredonskateboard on November 25, 2018, 08:04:41 AM
Alrighty... So ive ordered a pair of Thunder 149s.
Plan was to just order some bones bushings straight away, cause I hate the stock ones as I weight 200lbs.
I read some shit on reddit that barrel/cylinder shaped bottom bushings are better than coned, cause its more progressive when leaning, compared to coned. Seems good for wheelbite prevention. Anyone tried this? Specificly, using indy barrel/cylinder bushings on thunders

Hello! I ran successfully barrelbushings in my 148`s, because the 90a bushings were too soft for me.
For me it feels like i can control the trucks better with them. A more logical behaviour.
Of course harder bushings would help too.
And yes, bones and thunders dont work so good together.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FirstBlood82 on November 30, 2018, 04:56:25 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/2Y1W3o8.jpg?1)

Went back to my old indys after skating 3 sets of thunders in a year.
Feels great, but the height difference is a bit weird.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pauline_handsome on December 01, 2018, 09:47:36 PM
Quote from: FirstBlood82 on November 30, 2018, 04:56:25 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/2Y1W3o8.jpg?1)

Went back to my old indys after skating 3 sets of thunders in a year.
Feels great, but the height difference is a bit weird.

holy crap man they're worn down!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nate.Dog on December 02, 2018, 09:26:33 AM
Quote from: pauline_handsome on December 01, 2018, 09:47:36 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/2Y1W3o8.jpg?1)

Went back to my old indys after skating 3 sets of thunders in a year.
Feels great, but the height difference is a bit weird.
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holy crap man they're worn down!

Those are the crook/front crook marks I aspire to have on my front truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FirstBlood82 on December 02, 2018, 10:23:30 AM
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https://i.imgur.com/2Y1W3o8.jpg?1

Went back to my old indys after skating 3 sets of thunders in a year.
Feels great, but the height difference is a bit weird.
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holy crap man they're worn down!
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Those are the crook/front crook marks I aspire to have on my front truck.

Perfect for crooks! fucked up for nosegrinds...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: burn_to_live on December 02, 2018, 10:46:23 AM
8.25 deck, 149 Indy's, with orange medium bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: os89 on December 02, 2018, 12:09:25 PM
Hey so should I get some 139s for this 7.875 I have next, or just use my 129s? I'd like to go up a tiny bit more eventually anyways, so will the 139s stick out much at all or is it negligible?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: switchbs180 on December 02, 2018, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: os89 on December 02, 2018, 12:09:25 PM
Hey so should I get some 139s for this 7.875 I have next, or just use my 129s? I'd like to go up a tiny bit more eventually anyways, so will the 139s stick out much at all or is it negligible?

139s on 7.875 are kinda flush. If you plan to go up to 8 or 8.125" the 139s will still be fine. Some folks like to ride 144s on a 8.125 which is also fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: os89 on December 02, 2018, 01:21:08 PM
Quote from: switchbs180 on December 02, 2018, 01:16:25 PM
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Hey so should I get some 139s for this 7.875 I have next, or just use my 129s? I'd like to go up a tiny bit more eventually anyways, so will the 139s stick out much at all or is it negligible?
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139s on 7.875 are kinda flush. If you plan to go up to 8 or 8.125" the 139s will still be fine. Some folks like to ride 144s on a 8.125 which is also fine.

Cool, thanks man. Ill have to pick up some 139s then.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on December 02, 2018, 01:32:01 PM
i currently skate a 7.875 deck with ace 33s. it's perfect. 1/16th of an inch (0.0625") sticking out on either side is nothing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: os89 on December 02, 2018, 02:06:18 PM
Quote from: anon on December 02, 2018, 01:32:01 PM
i currently skate a 7.875 deck with ace 33s. it's perfect. 1/16th of an inch (0.0625") sticking out on either side is nothing

Awesome. Such an odd board size looking forward to trying it out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 04, 2018, 07:39:27 PM
In the spirit of recent thunder talk, I’m curious if people have found any good aftermarkets bushings that aren’t too hard or soft. Indy conical, Ace lows, Bones mediums, etc.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on December 04, 2018, 09:17:07 PM
Thunder 90a white bushings. Done.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 05, 2018, 04:09:51 AM
Quote from: Not Local on December 04, 2018, 09:17:07 PM
Thunder 90a white bushings. Done.

I would classify those as too soft. I weigh around 200lbs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pauline_handsome on December 05, 2018, 04:49:37 AM
The black thunder bushings last forever and get softer over time. Get those.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on December 05, 2018, 10:02:18 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 05, 2018, 04:09:51 AM
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Thunder 90a white bushings. Done.
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I would classify those as too soft. I weigh around 200lbs.

I weigh 198. I'd classify 90a bushings as good for you. I actually insist on it. Be well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on December 05, 2018, 01:29:50 PM
does anybody know the reason why ace chose to go with a softer bottom bushing and not the other way around?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SoapyEyes on December 05, 2018, 08:51:35 PM
Quote from: anon on December 05, 2018, 01:29:50 PM
does anybody know the reason why ace chose to go with a softer bottom bushing and not the other way around?
I reckon a softer top bushing might blow out quicker? Idk just spitballing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hangontoyourego on December 05, 2018, 08:55:27 PM
Quote from: Not Local on December 05, 2018, 10:02:18 AM
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Thunder 90a white bushings. Done.
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I would classify those as too soft. I weigh around 200lbs.
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I weigh 198. I'd classify 90a bushings as good for you. I actually insist on it. Be well.

I want to be classified.
I want to be masochistic,
I want to be a statistic.
I want to belong.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on December 05, 2018, 11:11:43 PM
How stiff do those Riptide pivot cups feel when compared to stock?

I've got Khiro in both soft and hard, and when you try to pinch them, the soft folds easily and the hard not at all.  Stock is much closer to the hard compound, but not as stiff.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on December 06, 2018, 12:17:23 PM
Quote from: full of jerks on December 05, 2018, 11:11:43 PM
How stiff do those Riptide pivot cups feel when compared to stock?

I've got Khiro in both soft and hard, and when you try to pinch them, the soft folds easily and the hard not at all.  Stock is much closer to the hard compound, but not as stiff.

When I pinch them, they fold, but not so flimsy to where you can close the mouth - they're noticeably softer than stock cups in the 96a formula
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on December 07, 2018, 05:55:15 AM
For thunders something that works for me and I've noticed is paying attention to the washers. Im 230lbs and I don't like tight trucks. Also bones never work in thunders for me in fact thunder or independent aftermarket bushings, depending on which truck im using, are my preference for upgrades over bones in any truck. I purchased 100 duro thunder bushings, normally I would go with 90a straight replacement. But I found 100a bushings paired with flat lipless washers like bones washers or anything from a hardware store works flawlessly. With regular washers the bushings are classic too tight way too hard barely turning. But without the lip they become very twitchy and loose off the start which is already what thunders are loved for. But if you try to dive and wheelbite it becomes harder and harder (more progressive) because of how hard the bushing is at 100a. Once they wear in it becomes really great. It's like having the twitchy feeling of no bottom washer but there's something solid there if you lose control and dig weight into the bushings they won't just completely bottom they resist you so you aren't so squirrely. This may not make sense I dunno.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 07, 2018, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: SoapyEyes on December 05, 2018, 08:51:35 PM
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does anybody know the reason why ace chose to go with a softer bottom bushing and not the other way around?
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I reckon a softer top bushing might blow out quicker? Idk just spitballing

Softer bottom nets you a deeper fast turn, hard tops will offer a quicker snap back to center (more rebound).



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: roba on December 11, 2018, 02:00:22 PM
i have a lil question

the board i'm skating right now has a 14 1/4 wheelbase but with my next deck i'm changing the trucks to aces from thunders and i'm not too sure if i should stick with the same wb because afaik aces shorten the wheelbase, and i want the setup to feel as similar to my current one as possible so i don't have to adjust too much. is the difference really noticeable? i ride my trucks pretty loose (front truck wiggly, back truck is slightly tighter) and i have cruised for a while on my friends set-up with ace trucks and it felt pretty comfortable so i'm pretty sure that the trucks aren't really going to bother me too much, but then again i only did some ollies and rock to fakies on it so i might be wrong. has anybody here switched from thunders to aces?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 11, 2018, 05:17:22 PM
I changed from Thunder to Ace and I defs noticed the difference in w/b but then again I also downsized w/b too so who knows?
It's an easy transition though and my pop/ timing didn't suffer like when I went from indy to thunder
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on December 16, 2018, 06:34:17 AM
Quote from: Xen on December 07, 2018, 11:11:15 AM
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does anybody know the reason why ace chose to go with a softer bottom bushing and not the other way around?
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I reckon a softer top bushing might blow out quicker? Idk just spitballing
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Softer bottom nets you a deeper fast turn, hard tops will offer a quicker snap back to center (more rebound).
it also feels much more balanced. with a conical top, barrel bottom setup where the durometer is the same, the top bushing is softer because of the shape, making the turn feel clunky. you feel like you're turning only with the top bushing most of the time. if the bottom bushing is softer, the turn feels smoother and you can turn deeper more easily. basically the turn of conical bushings mixed with the stability of barrel bushings. best of both worlds.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: plasticsurgerydisasters on December 16, 2018, 08:48:30 AM
so i’ve been skating a set of raw 159s for a little
but now and both of the pivot cups are blown out and now the kingpins are loose and wobbly. should I just get the stock replacements or is there worthy upgrades? do the krux kingpins I keep hearing about work on indy’s?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on December 16, 2018, 09:51:01 AM
Quote from: I AM on December 16, 2018, 06:34:17 AM
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does anybody know the reason why ace chose to go with a softer bottom bushing and not the other way around?
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I reckon a softer top bushing might blow out quicker? Idk just spitballing
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Softer bottom nets you a deeper fast turn, hard tops will offer a quicker snap back to center (more rebound).
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it also feels much more balanced. with a conical top, barrel bottom setup where the durometer is the same, the top bushing is softer because of the shape, making the turn feel clunky. you feel like you're turning only with the top bushing most of the time. if the bottom bushing is softer, the turn feels smoother and you can turn deeper more easily. basically the turn of conical bushings mixed with the stability of barrel bushings. best of both worlds.
this makes sense. thanks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on December 16, 2018, 06:15:25 PM
Quote from: I AM on December 16, 2018, 06:34:17 AM
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does anybody know the reason why ace chose to go with a softer bottom bushing and not the other way around?
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I reckon a softer top bushing might blow out quicker? Idk just spitballing
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Softer bottom nets you a deeper fast turn, hard tops will offer a quicker snap back to center (more rebound).
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it also feels much more balanced. with a conical top, barrel bottom setup where the durometer is the same, the top bushing is softer because of the shape, making the turn feel clunky. you feel like you're turning only with the top bushing most of the time. if the bottom bushing is softer, the turn feels smoother and you can turn deeper more easily. basically the turn of conical bushings mixed with the stability of barrel bushings. best of both worlds.
#SCIENCE
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on December 17, 2018, 08:36:05 PM
Quote from: plasticsurgerydisasters on December 16, 2018, 08:48:30 AM
so i’ve been skating a set of raw 159s for a little
but now and both of the pivot cups are blown out and now the kingpins are loose and wobbly. should I just get the stock replacements or is there worthy upgrades? do the krux kingpins I keep hearing about work on indy’s?

Krux kingpins work on newer Indy’s if you use some J&B weld to secure the nut in the baseplate. Direct fit in the stage 7s I have. Do not work in stage 6 - too short.

I used the J&B on my Mini Logos tonight. Will assemble tomorrow. Hopefully all is good.

New Indy base plates are $6 each at Tactics which is about the same price as Krux kingpins. Add in $8 for the J&B.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 18, 2018, 09:39:03 PM
I was pondering...I’ve never skated painted trucks. I notice some truck co’s have anodized versions while others have a matte paint coating. Anyone notice any differences in grind between those two and raw? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 19, 2018, 09:03:50 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 18, 2018, 09:39:03 PM
I was pondering...I’ve never skated painted trucks. I notice some truck co’s have anodized versions while others have a matte paint coating. Anyone notice any differences in grind between those two and raw?

For the first maybe 3 grinds or less the painted trucks do feel slightly smoother for a second then after that they’re basically the same as a raw

Raws are usually polished but yeah, maybe if it’s a thick coat of paint and you wax the truck then maybe they’ll grind a raw parking block better than a raw truck could but what really matters isn’t paint but the metal used

Titanium trucks(theeve tih really only) I’ve noticed can’t grind on metal well but slide like butter on concrete

And the best grinds I’ve felt but don’t last was on magnesium

Tensor mag lows back when round 3 and fully flared were the essential skate vids to watch

I know there’s other videos equally or better at the time but those 2 videos are what sold all the almost decks, tensor trucks, girl decks, royal trucks and Lakai shoes

Yeah I know that generation of us skaters were kinda trash cause all we wanted to do was replicate our fave pros and did a bunch of flip tricks trying to be the next Rodney Mullen or daewon
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Quique on December 20, 2018, 09:16:44 AM
Did indy ever released trucks with hollow kingin and solid hangers? Like the v-lights or thunder lights.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 20, 2018, 10:01:50 AM
Quote from: kike on December 20, 2018, 09:16:44 AM
Did indy ever released trucks with hollow kingin and solid hangers? Like the v-lights or thunder lights.

Not that I know of, except for the TI versions but those are not standards; I had a set of GT Indys that were cast/solid Kingpin with hollow axles . Odd combo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: burn_to_live on December 20, 2018, 10:07:33 AM
Quote from: Xen on December 20, 2018, 10:01:50 AM
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Did indy ever released trucks with hollow kingin and solid hangers? Like the v-lights or thunder lights.
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Not that I know of, except for the TI versions but those are not standards; I had a set of GT Indys that were cast/solid Kingpin with hollow axles . Odd combo.
Very strange.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: streetsoup on December 20, 2018, 10:07:51 AM
I have hollow indy 149s with stock bushings. They are both blown out. Wondering what the best/easiest to break in bushing to replace them with? Bones? I ride pretty loose trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on December 20, 2018, 10:08:32 AM
Quote from: Xen on December 20, 2018, 10:01:50 AM
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Did indy ever released trucks with hollow kingin and solid hangers? Like the v-lights or thunder lights.
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Not that I know of, except for the TI versions but those are not standards; I had a set of GT Indys that were cast/solid Kingpin with hollow axles . Odd combo.
I'm trying out the Ti Indys 149 with 6 hole baseplate and solid steel pins because I don't like the feel of hollow stuff sometimes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: burn_to_live on December 20, 2018, 10:15:22 AM
Quote from: streetsoup on December 20, 2018, 10:07:51 AM
I have hollow indy 149s with stock bushings. They are both blown out. Wondering what the best/easiest to break in bushing to replace them with? Bones? I ride pretty loose trucks.
I just ride standard 149s, and the top bushing always gets blown out. Good thing I have another set of Indys. Also, the last two sets of bones I had were trash in a week.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on December 20, 2018, 08:50:29 PM
Quote from: streetsoup on December 20, 2018, 10:07:51 AM
I have hollow indy 149s with stock bushings. They are both blown out. Wondering what the best/easiest to break in bushing to replace them with? Bones? I ride pretty loose trucks.
I use to ride bones mediums but they blew out too easy, people say hards are good but need some breaking in...I’ve been on indy aftermarket ones lately and dem good, much better urethane than the stock ones and they come in many different duros.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 22, 2018, 09:57:03 PM
Anyone know the best way to remove a logo from a hanger? The hanger being raw, there’s just painted graphics on a couple spots. I thought sanding it could work but then the two spots would look crappy and scratched up compared to the rest of the raw hanger. Or would scrubbing with an acetone cloth work better? All feedback appreciated.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on December 22, 2018, 10:03:25 PM
You're worried about your trucks looking scratched?

I'm worried about your trucks not looking scratched enough.

I'm worried about you. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on December 22, 2018, 10:06:00 PM
I can't handle this shit anymore. Diocletian, I have to focus myself after reading that nonsense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tally810 on December 22, 2018, 10:50:03 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 22, 2018, 09:57:03 PM
Anyone know the best way to remove a logo from a hanger? The hanger being raw, there’s just painted graphics on a couple spots. I thought sanding it could work but then the two spots would look crappy and scratched up compared to the rest of the raw hanger. Or would scrubbing with an acetone cloth work better? All feedback appreciated.
I've used sand paper in the past and your trucks gonna get scratched anyway so it's all good.  Or you could just skate them and let it fade off on it's own.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 23, 2018, 05:39:45 AM
Lol @ not local. The spots that I would be sanding are in areas that would never hit a grind, if they were I wouldn’t have posted because I’d just slappy the graphic away. So what I meant was there’d be a spot in the center of the hanger that would look crappy so I was seeing if there was a way around sanding possibly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on December 23, 2018, 08:56:28 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 23, 2018, 05:39:45 AM
Lol @ not local. The spots that I would be sanding are in areas that would never hit a grind, if they were I wouldn’t have posted because I’d just slappy the graphic away. So what I meant was there’d be a spot in the center of the hanger that would look crappy so I was seeing if there was a way around sanding possibly.

Don’t know what trucks/graphic job you’re working with but ive scratched off a logo graphic on some thunders years ago with a screwdriver and they looked fine
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheVisitor on December 23, 2018, 10:35:36 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 22, 2018, 09:57:03 PM
Anyone know the best way to remove a logo from a hanger? The hanger being raw, there’s just painted graphics on a couple spots. I thought sanding it could work but then the two spots would look crappy and scratched up compared to the rest of the raw hanger. Or would scrubbing with an acetone cloth work better? All feedback appreciated.


Nail polish remover and a rag will will do the trick. Sometimes it takes a bit to come off, but just keep at it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on December 28, 2018, 02:13:29 PM
Used a gift card to finally grab some Riptide pivot cups, excited to see how they feel tomorrow


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Thunder Titaniums
Cast Baseplates
97a Heavy Aftermarket Thunder Bushings
Krux Downlow Kingpins
Grind King Rimz
96a Riptide Pivot Cups
Theeve Titanium Bolts
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 28, 2018, 02:42:14 PM
Are the riptide bushings for thunders?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on December 28, 2018, 03:03:35 PM
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Indy Pivot Cups will fit just fine in the following trucks:

ACE, Carver CX3 C7.3, Caliber Standard, Gullwing Sidewinder, Mini Logo, Polar Bear, Royal, Silver, Tensor, Theeve, Thunder & Venture
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on December 28, 2018, 04:29:52 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 28, 2018, 02:42:14 PM
Are the riptide bushings for thunders?

I guess technically they're the "Theeve" ones but like Paco said, their site mentions that the Indy ones work for Theeves, Thunder, and a slew of others so I figured that these ones should fit in my trucks fine. I got em through Daddies Boardshop on Amazon. I had a $20 gift card and didn't know what to get so I figured I might as well try the Riptides. Gonna put em to work tomorrow and see how they affect the turn & feel of the trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on December 28, 2018, 04:39:31 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on December 28, 2018, 02:13:29 PM
Used a gift card to finally grab some Riptide pivot cups, excited to see how they feel tomorrow
Thunder Titaniums
Cast Baseplates
97a Heavy Aftermarket Thunder Bushings
Krux Downlow Kingpins
Grind King Rimz
96a Riptide Pivot Cups
Theeve Titanium Bolts

Here we see the true dangers of Slap. Now I'm insecure about my set up and want to throw in a bunch of aftermarket stuff in there.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on December 28, 2018, 04:48:07 PM
There seem to be a thing where people who doesnt care too much, do better.
New pivot cups? Why? Just put some grease or something in the stock ones.
New bushings I can understand, but the rest? No...
Keep it simple and consistent.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on December 28, 2018, 05:08:23 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on December 28, 2018, 04:48:07 PM

New pivot cups? Why? Just put some grease or something in the stock ones.

I'll tell you why, in the year and a half ive had riptides in my indys, they havent been shredded to pieces like the shitty indy ones that blow out like crazy. i'd rather spend $15 on something that'll last me the life of the thing then have to keep chopping and changing.

Dood has the right idea, tinker until you find how you like it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SneakySecrets on December 28, 2018, 05:12:34 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on December 28, 2018, 02:13:29 PM
Used a gift card to finally grab some Riptide pivot cups, excited to see how they feel tomorrow
Thunder Titaniums
Cast Baseplates
97a Heavy Aftermarket Thunder Bushings
Krux Downlow Kingpins
Grind King Rimz
96a Riptide Pivot Cups
Theeve Titanium Bolts

Dude holy shit, haha.  You’re my hero.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tally810 on December 28, 2018, 05:44:09 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on December 28, 2018, 04:48:07 PM
There seem to be a thing where people who doesnt care too much, do better.
New pivot cups? Why? Just put some grease or something in the stock ones.
New bushings I can understand, but the rest? No...
Keep it simple and consistent.
Because some people here like to nerd out on our setup.  It's like a second hobby to skating almost.  Also riptide pivot cups are the truth
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 28, 2018, 05:49:57 PM
I just thought thunder pivots were smaller than Indy.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on December 28, 2018, 11:28:39 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on December 28, 2018, 02:13:29 PM
Used a gift card to finally grab some Riptide pivot cups, excited to see how they feel tomorrow


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Thunder Titaniums
Cast Baseplates
97a Heavy Aftermarket Thunder Bushings
Krux Downlow Kingpins
Grind King Rimz
96a Riptide Pivot Cups
Theeve Titanium Bolts
where did you manage to find grindking rimz?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheVisitor on December 29, 2018, 10:19:42 AM
You can buy Thunder Riptide Pivots directly from their site. I have them both in my Indys and Thunder and will not be going back to stock ever again. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 29, 2018, 01:49:12 PM
Are the two significantly different? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: eight two fives on December 29, 2018, 02:31:39 PM
you idiots are really paying $15 for pivot cups?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on December 29, 2018, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: eight two fives on December 29, 2018, 02:31:39 PM
you idiots are really paying $15 for pivot cups?

1. They work and feel better
2. Fuck off poosey
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: eight two fives on December 29, 2018, 03:08:52 PM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on December 29, 2018, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: eight two fives on December 29, 2018, 02:31:39 PM
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you idiots are really paying $15 for pivot cups?
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1. They work and feel better
2. Fuck off poosey
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tally810 on December 29, 2018, 03:14:29 PM
Quote from: eight two fives on December 29, 2018, 02:31:39 PM
you idiots are really paying $15 for pivot cups?
We some rich niggas
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JB77 on December 30, 2018, 04:54:22 PM
Krux 8" with Hollow Downlow Kingpins and stock bushings.  I ride them fairly loose.  Also, I wax the pivot cups and bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on December 31, 2018, 01:46:47 PM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on December 28, 2018, 05:08:23 PM
tinker until you find how you like it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ged frall on December 31, 2018, 02:17:34 PM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on December 29, 2018, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: eight two fives on December 29, 2018, 02:31:39 PM
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you idiots are really paying $15 for pivot cups?
[close]

1. They work and feel better
2. Fuck off of poosey
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on December 31, 2018, 06:35:27 PM
Quote from: ged frall on December 31, 2018, 02:17:34 PM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on December 29, 2018, 02:33:00 PM
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Quote from: eight two fives on December 29, 2018, 02:31:39 PM
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you idiots are really paying $15 for pivot cups?
[close]

1. They work and feel better
2. Fuck off of poosey
[close]

Made the plunge and got some riptides. I’ve spent more on dumber shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheVisitor on December 31, 2018, 07:03:12 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 29, 2018, 01:49:12 PM
Are the two significantly different?

Yeah, the pivot cup is a different size for each individual truck so they are custom molded by brand. I have some major OCD when it comes to my board setup and I couldn't stand to have the pivot cup not sitting flush.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SneakySecrets on December 31, 2018, 08:09:46 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on December 31, 2018, 06:35:27 PM
Quote from: ged frall on December 31, 2018, 02:17:34 PM
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Quote from: Fifty8mm on December 29, 2018, 02:33:00 PM
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Quote from: eight two fives on December 29, 2018, 02:31:39 PM
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you idiots are really paying $15 for pivot cups?
[close]

1. They work and feel better
2. Fuck off of poosey
[close]
[close]

Made the plunge and got some riptides. I’ve spent more on dumber shit

Report back with your findings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on January 01, 2019, 06:57:09 PM
Quote from: eight two fives on December 29, 2018, 02:31:39 PM
you idiots are really paying $15 for pivot cups?
Resident idiot here, I have not yet paid 15 dollars for these pivot cups but I may do that in the future. Thanks for asking our opinion on this actually it's nice to be included in a conversation for once and not have to intrude or interject with my pleasent smile.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on January 01, 2019, 08:09:52 PM
Krux aftermarket pivot cups feel great on thunders you just have to razorblade the excess. Krux have taller pivot cups than thunders. But they don't squeak and return to center fast and smoothly.
Plus you get some nice bushings with them for a third of a price of Riptide. I also used riptides on my aces ,feel great and return to center smoothly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Festivus on January 01, 2019, 08:41:34 PM
Venture 5.2 hi v-hollows with riptide cups and green 94d deluxe bushings.

3 speed rings on the inside of the axles to push the wheels out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bumpovertrash on January 01, 2019, 09:05:40 PM
i just replaced my thunder pivot cups with indy ones but they fit in thwre good and now my truck dosnt pop out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 03, 2019, 12:35:15 PM
What durometer are stock Thunder bushings? Also what bushings would work to make them loose? I like Aces with stock bushings (after break in) and Ventures with Indy super softs. Gotta have that play in the middle to be able to steer easily while pushing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: eight two fives on January 03, 2019, 12:49:47 PM
90. I don’t understand what you’re asking. You want to make thunders with conical bushings turn and react like all the other truck brands with barrels? Don’t ride thunders 🤷‍♂️.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FROTHY on January 03, 2019, 01:42:08 PM
Quote from: belle on January 03, 2019, 01:15:06 PM
I recently got the tensors all terrain geometry. They ride pretty nice as far as I have seen. I was expecting them to give a shorter wheelbase but they are similar to indy.

Coming in hot with that first post.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 03, 2019, 08:56:02 PM
Quote from: eight two fives on January 03, 2019, 12:49:47 PM
90. I don’t understand what you’re asking. You want to make thunders with conical bushings turn and react like all the other truck brands with barrels? Don’t ride thunders 🤷‍♂️.

I've never ridden Thunders and I want to test them out. In general I like a looser truck so I'd like to have that on Thunders as well. Of course they're gonna be different than other trucks, that's why I want to try them out. Just trying to figure out how to achieve that easy turning in the middle with Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: eight two fives on January 04, 2019, 08:22:41 AM
I just don’t see the point in “trying something” but immediately changing them to be something else.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ged frall on January 04, 2019, 08:33:04 AM
thunders will still have a different geometry and feel to other trucks even if you tinker with the bushings. not sure why youre (eight two fives) giving him (roisto) such a hard time..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 04, 2019, 08:45:39 AM
I think it's basically impossible to get a loose, surfy turn out of thunders.  you can loosen them to the point where it will just be instant wheelbite but that's about it.  The best bushings in thunders are the stock bushings, unless you want something harder.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 04, 2019, 09:37:18 AM
Thanks guys. It’s not like I need new trucks. Just bored cuz I can’t skate as much as I’d like so had the bright idea of buying more skate stuff and Thunders are something I’m interested in trying out at some point in my life. Not expecting to get a surfy turn from them but I do like that loose middle which works great on Ventures at least even though they don’t turn much when stock.

Anyway, I guess I’ll save my money and do something more useful for now. 😊
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 04, 2019, 11:57:16 AM
Thunders are all about the twitch....the first 15 degrees comes so easily....then they stabilize aka stop turning.  Also the height, weight, geometry, and appearance make your board feel less clunky which translates to some degree to a more responsive set up.

I think if you love to carve...ace or Indy.....but if you skate street and parks....thunders. Or just set up another board.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 04, 2019, 12:45:44 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 04, 2019, 08:45:39 AM
I think it's basically impossible to get a loose, surfy turn out of thunders.  you can loosen them to the point where it will just be instant wheelbite but that's about it.  The best bushings in thunders are the stock bushings, unless you want something harder.

Agreed. Loose thunders are just that, loose thunders - you can't achieve the same level of surfy you can with ACE or Indy or Theeve because they're two different styles of geo:


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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 04, 2019, 01:40:06 PM
I actually liked thunders on ramp because they don't carve well....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on January 04, 2019, 01:52:55 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on January 04, 2019, 01:40:06 PM
I actually liked thunders on ramp because they don't carve well....

I have a set of Krux that I thought about putting on a deck just to skate ramps for that exact reason.  I skated them twice in a bowl and said fuck these.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 04, 2019, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on January 04, 2019, 11:57:16 AM
Thunders are all about the twitch....the first 15 degrees comes so easily....then they stabilize aka stop turning.  Also the height, weight, geometry, and appearance make your board feel less clunky which translates to some degree to a more responsive set up.

I think if you love to carve...ace or Indy.....but if you skate street and parks....thunders. Or just set up another board.

I already have six set ups.  :-[
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: schralp pal on January 04, 2019, 03:12:10 PM
I’ve seen it somewhere here before...just got some Wes kremer 159s and would like remove the iron cross on the hanger - best product? Paint thinner to strong?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 04, 2019, 03:21:56 PM
Paint thinner, acetone, I use this spray on paint remover thing.

Seeing that it’s small maybe even just try a razor and pick away at it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: schralp pal on January 04, 2019, 03:47:36 PM
thanks! Scraping sounds like the perfect stoned activity.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ohnowisee on January 04, 2019, 04:04:25 PM
Quote from: belle on January 03, 2019, 01:15:06 PM
I recently got the tensors all terrain geometry. They ride pretty nice as far as I have seen. I was expecting them to give a shorter wheelbase but they are similar to indy.

I just had tensors but switched to try out Krux just because I've never had a pair of either in 20 years and I actually kind of miss my tensors a bit, but I'll probably go back to thunders after all is said and done.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ged frall on January 05, 2019, 02:01:42 AM
Quote from: schralp pal on January 04, 2019, 03:12:10 PM
I’ve seen it somewhere here before...just got some Wes kremer 159s and would like remove the iron cross on the hanger - best product? Paint thinner to strong?

Thanks!

i used griptape to scratch off kostons name on a pair of indys - took it off with ease and came out clean
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on January 11, 2019, 11:13:00 AM
Has anyone had success moving up in truck size, with lighter material trucks? As an example: normally skating 139s, but skating 149s in a hollow/to and having positive results. Mainly interested in hearing anyone’s opinion on width vs weight. I have an easier time on 159s vs 149s, but trying to get some flippy floppy back
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 11, 2019, 11:24:02 AM
Quote from: Ok on January 11, 2019, 11:13:00 AM
Has anyone had success moving up in truck size, with lighter material trucks? As an example: normally skating 139s, but skating 149s in a hollow/to and having positive results. Mainly interested in hearing anyone’s opinion on width vs weight. I have an easier time on 159s vs 149s, but trying to get some flippy floppy back

Chico Brenes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on January 11, 2019, 12:02:22 PM
Quote from: Ok on January 11, 2019, 11:13:00 AM
Has anyone had success moving up in truck size, with lighter material trucks? As an example: normally skating 139s, but skating 149s in a hollow/to and having positive results. Mainly interested in hearing anyone’s opinion on width vs weight. I have an easier time on 159s vs 149s, but trying to get some flippy floppy back

Went from standard Thunder 147s to Thunder 148 Team Hollows and quite enjoying the extra width without the extra weight. I think they might actually be lighter. Since they have the cast plates I see no drawback from the standards. Hollow kingpins and axles are nice and light and have never seemed any less durable to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 11, 2019, 01:08:30 PM
At the point of sizing up trucks you're sizing up board etc too so it's gonna have a different feel but yes, I think it makes sense to try and lighten up.  i sized up to a 148 thunder too and love em... I think with Indy they can feel a bit clunky so shaving a bit off makes sense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 11, 2019, 02:13:27 PM
I've sized up from standard 139s, to hollow 139s to titanium 144s and its always been beneficial to go the lighter option for the bigger truck, even if its just the first time
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on January 11, 2019, 02:40:46 PM
I went from 147 lights to 148 hollow lights.
148 and up are also a little taller. I think I like taller trucks so I think ill get a 148 or 149 team edition for that 1mm taller height! Gotta get that extra pop
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on January 11, 2019, 11:43:33 PM
Thanks for replies! (N+1)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 12, 2019, 05:25:49 PM
Any experienced Venture 5.8 Hi riders have input on how well they turn compared to Indy 149’s? Never ridden Ventures in my life and would be willing to try them if they work good loose and are able to carve. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 12, 2019, 05:58:02 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 12, 2019, 05:25:49 PM
Any experienced Venture 5.8 Hi riders have input on how well they turn compared to Indy 149’s? Never ridden Ventures in my life and would be willing to try them if they work good loose and are able to carve. Thanks in advance.

Ventures still feel nice and surfy. The stock bushings in the ventures are harder, though, so I would recommend getting something softer (supercush) if you want them to feel more like Indys.

I don't think anything turns as well as Indys, but Ventures come pretty close.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on January 12, 2019, 08:01:39 PM
I like the ride Ventures very loose because they have kinda surfy turn but stable. Wheel bite is no issue for me either with 54mm wheels
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: eight two fives on January 12, 2019, 08:15:39 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on January 12, 2019, 05:58:02 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 12, 2019, 05:25:49 PM
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Any experienced Venture 5.8 Hi riders have input on how well they turn compared to Indy 149’s? Never ridden Ventures in my life and would be willing to try them if they work good loose and are able to carve. Thanks in advance.
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Ventures still feel nice and surfy. The stock bushings in the ventures are harder, though, so I would recommend getting something softer (supercush) if you want them to feel more like Indys.

I don't think anything turns as well as Indys, but Ventures come pretty close.
Stock bushings is ventures are the same Duro as stock indys. 90a. They will never turn as tight as indys because of the geometry, but they turn fine, and they’re stable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 144p on January 12, 2019, 09:45:37 PM
Hmm, I find it odd that dlx would manufacture the same bushing in the same color and have it be a different duro.
The supercush dark purple are 97a, yellow Indy/supercush are 90a.
I don’t know for sure but having skated both in a set of Indy’s I can say the stock venture high bushings are indeed harder in a set of Indy’s than the stock yellow Indy bushings. I don’t have the proper equipment to measure their true durometer but they did not feel the same.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: eight two fives on January 12, 2019, 09:55:21 PM
I emailed them like a year ago and that's what they told me. They're not 97s though, because I'm riding 94s in a set of thunders right now and those things are essentially rocks, and my ventures are way softer. I mean, they aren't putting the black 99 supercush in the all black ventures right?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 12, 2019, 11:25:24 PM
I’m baaccckkkkk

Ever since having a car and doing more things haven’t been on my truck trip as much

Been just riding little old fun stuff to see what was it really like and here’s what I’ve been up to

Indy stage 10 149, damn these are freaking heavy but very much early 2000’s suited, they’re very low oddly compared to riding all these newer taller trucks lately. Legit if Indy is working on a 149 low it’s basically gonna be a re intro of the stage 10 149 standard cause yeah, these things are low and heavy but they definitely turn with the right conical bushings and flip super easy and fun. Not a lot of pop leverage obviously but you can totally jump down stuff and flip your board with that Indy turn style with the old stage, running them with the stock deck side washer with some very nicely old broken in bones hards and no roadside washer, so the nut is against the plastic and they turn great

Next up going back down to 147 thunders on a 8.25 girl deck, after skating with the 149 stage 10 I wanted to also revisit the days of riding smaller trucks on a bigger deck, the days before bigger trucks became the trend

I still love 148/144 and probably gonna go back to that after all this. Love thunder 148 on a 8.13 deck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shripshrapper on January 13, 2019, 12:04:59 AM
Quote from: rob on January 12, 2019, 11:25:24 PM
I’m baaccckkkkk

Ever since having a car and doing more things haven’t been on my truck trip as much

Been just riding little old fun stuff to see what was it really like and here’s what I’ve been up to

Indy stage 10 149, damn these are freaking heavy but very much early 2000’s suited, they’re very low oddly compared to riding all these newer taller trucks lately. Legit if Indy is working on a 149 low it’s basically gonna be a re intro of the stage 10 149 standard cause yeah, these things are low and heavy but they definitely turn with the right conical bushings and flip super easy and fun. Not a lot of pop leverage obviously but you can totally jump down stuff and flip your board with that Indy turn style with the old stage, running them with the stock deck side washer with some very nicely old broken in bones hards and no roadside washer, so the nut is against the plastic and they turn great

Next up going back down to 147 thunders on a 8.25 girl deck, after skating with the 149 stage 10 I wanted to also revisit the days of riding smaller trucks on a bigger deck, the days before bigger trucks became the trend

I still love 148/144 and probably gonna go back to that after all this. Love thunder 148 on a 8.13 deck

After taking some time away, I've realized that I don't like some truck setups as much as I thought.

149 cast thunders with risers and 57mm conicals? The perfect setup! Great pop and stability.

159 indys? Can't get along... we have unspoken issues. It seems that my dream girl has gotten fat and slow. The crazy thin, thunder chick wants me to move in with her.. I can see it ending in horrible wheelbite, but my heart says that we were meant for each other..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on January 13, 2019, 02:19:19 AM
Been enjoying my Thunder titaniums 149 with forged baseplate. Been riding them with stock bushings. I always felt Thunder had the best stock bushings,but hated the white ones these titaniums came with. I use the transparent orange bushings from older thunders with Krux pivot cups and 1/8th riser. Feel so fucking good. The kingpin nut is flush. None of that fishy thread showing shit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 13, 2019, 03:25:49 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on January 12, 2019, 05:58:02 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 12, 2019, 05:25:49 PM
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Any experienced Venture 5.8 Hi riders have input on how well they turn compared to Indy 149’s? Never ridden Ventures in my life and would be willing to try them if they work good loose and are able to carve. Thanks in advance.
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Ventures still feel nice and surfy. The stock bushings in the ventures are harder, though, so I would recommend getting something softer (supercush) if you want them to feel more like Indys.

I don't think anything turns as well as Indys, but Ventures come pretty close.

Aces turn better than Indys for sure.

As for the Venture 5.8s. They turn nice for how much they turn but after that they don't really turn deeper at all. Kind of a shallow nice turn but lacking that depth to make them awesome. I've got Indy 78A super soft bushings on mine and they're nice on a cruiser cruising down the streets but if you want to make tight turns with them, you're gonna have a bad time. Even with the Indy super softs with the nut flush it's not easy to wheelbite them with 54 mm wheels. You can do it but you've gone way past the "turn doesn't get any deeper anymore" point by then. I wouldn't say that they carve or are surfy at all even though the shallow turn is very nice on them. The pop on them is absolutely magical though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 13, 2019, 06:32:43 AM
Thanks for all the Venture feedback. It sounds like they turn like Thunders but sit higher. My experience on Thunders was that they’re kinda quick for a sec, then they just can’t really get deep like Indy or Ace. They wheelbite so easily at that point. Seems like Ventures are like that minus the wheelbite part?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 13, 2019, 08:33:10 AM
That sounds about right to me....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: eight two fives on January 13, 2019, 09:24:28 AM
I guess. They aren't quick though. Just try them and I'll buy them when you hate them. Get 5.2 v-lights, thanks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 144p on January 13, 2019, 10:09:55 AM
Quote from: eight two fives on January 12, 2019, 09:55:21 PM
I emailed them like a year ago and that's what they told me. They're not 97s though, because I'm riding 94s in a set of thunders right now and those things are essentially rocks, and my ventures are way softer. I mean, they aren't putting the black 99 supercush in the all black ventures right?
While I agree I’m assuming that batches can be off.
Maybe it was a hot day when I skated the venture bushings and cold when I skated the Indy ones.
I do remember nhs putting the extra hard yellow ones in the doom sayers indys, cause every set I sold they had to get new bushings. I suppose it’s case by case if they have a universal duro for the stock bushings even if it is an smu
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HHH on January 13, 2019, 11:28:04 AM
Regular indy 149's with the indy red conical bushings in the front. Doesn't feel much heavier than my previous set up with forged hollows. Picked up my friends board with hollow thunders and it was way lighter tho. However i don't see myself skating better or popping higher with lighter trucks. Tiago lemos has the highest pop and he skates regular indy's. Can't wait till these are nice and grinded down tho, with broken in bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 13, 2019, 01:33:48 PM
Figured this is a good place to ask, being so long between new sets of trucks, breaking them in is a pain in the ass but do any of you guys have issues getting distance on grinds on new sets? it's this one curb in particular that im sticking on but prior to the new trucks it glided like butter
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ged frall on January 13, 2019, 01:43:37 PM
Quote from: HHH on January 13, 2019, 11:28:04 AM
Regular indy 149's with the indy red conical bushings in the front. Doesn't feel much heavier than my previous set up with forged hollows. Picked up my friends board with hollow thunders and it was way lighter tho. However i don't see myself skating better or popping higher with lighter trucks. Tiago lemos has the highest pop and he skates regular indy's. Can't wait till these are nice and grinded down tho, with broken in bushings.

tiago skates hollow forged 139's FWIW
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 13, 2019, 06:08:18 PM
 it's been proven on slap that he's genetically a lemur as well....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HHH on January 14, 2019, 07:47:41 AM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on January 13, 2019, 01:33:48 PM
Figured this is a good place to ask, being so long between new sets of trucks, breaking them in is a pain in the ass but do any of you guys have issues getting distance on grinds on new sets? it's this one curb in particular that im sticking on but prior to the new trucks it glided like butter

Totally, my new indy's are being sticky on granith as well as on rails.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 14, 2019, 12:14:50 PM
Quote from: HHH on January 14, 2019, 07:47:41 AM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on January 13, 2019, 01:33:48 PM
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Figured this is a good place to ask, being so long between new sets of trucks, breaking them in is a pain in the ass but do any of you guys have issues getting distance on grinds on new sets? it's this one curb in particular that im sticking on but prior to the new trucks it glided like butter
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Totally, my new indy's are being sticky on granith as well as on rails.

Grind red curbs, get a brick and grind down the curb in question, or, go faster!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on January 15, 2019, 03:07:11 AM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on January 13, 2019, 01:33:48 PM
Figured this is a good place to ask, being so long between new sets of trucks, breaking them in is a pain in the ass but do any of you guys have issues getting distance on grinds on new sets? it's this one curb in particular that im sticking on but prior to the new trucks it glided like butter

i presume old worn in grooves would help grinds much better. on my old thunders the groove was so deep from skating tranny i'd just lock the fuck in and be stuck there which was great for transition but awful on street ledges as i'd always slip into the groove and fuck up basic tricks. was trying 5050 nollie back 180 on this 3 stair ledge for a solid hour on the old ones and couldn't make it, bought a new set of thunders and done it in a few tries the next day. when i got a new set i basically just 5050d this one curb for like an hour straight to get some wear on them, just keep the slappies up and wear the fuckers in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 15, 2019, 10:18:32 AM
Quote from: shripshrapper on January 13, 2019, 12:04:59 AM
Quote from: rob on January 12, 2019, 11:25:24 PM
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I’m baaccckkkkk

Ever since having a car and doing more things haven’t been on my truck trip as much

Been just riding little old fun stuff to see what was it really like and here’s what I’ve been up to

Indy stage 10 149, damn these are freaking heavy but very much early 2000’s suited, they’re very low oddly compared to riding all these newer taller trucks lately. Legit if Indy is working on a 149 low it’s basically gonna be a re intro of the stage 10 149 standard cause yeah, these things are low and heavy but they definitely turn with the right conical bushings and flip super easy and fun. Not a lot of pop leverage obviously but you can totally jump down stuff and flip your board with that Indy turn style with the old stage, running them with the stock deck side washer with some very nicely old broken in bones hards and no roadside washer, so the nut is against the plastic and they turn great

Next up going back down to 147 thunders on a 8.25 girl deck, after skating with the 149 stage 10 I wanted to also revisit the days of riding smaller trucks on a bigger deck, the days before bigger trucks became the trend

I still love 148/144 and probably gonna go back to that after all this. Love thunder 148 on a 8.13 deck
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After taking some time away, I've realized that I don't like some truck setups as much as I thought.

149 cast thunders with risers and 57mm conicals? The perfect setup! Great pop and stability.

159 indys? Can't get along... we have unspoken issues. It seems that my dream girl has gotten fat and slow. The crazy thin, thunder chick wants me to move in with her.. I can see it ending in horrible wheelbite, but my heart says that we were meant for each other..

This, so much this. Great analogy.

I was back on Indys for a minute before I switched back to Thunders for that very reason; for me Thunders are just more nimble feeling at the cost of being surfy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on January 15, 2019, 06:28:12 PM
So, I stripped the paint of my trucks and I’m not 100% feeling the unpolished metal. I want to return the luster Has anyone ever polished trucks? Should I just say screw it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 15, 2019, 06:53:48 PM
I’ve tried a few different options, none took well. Just more a smoother dulled metal look
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 16, 2019, 02:15:37 AM
Quote from: Xen on January 15, 2019, 10:18:32 AM
Quote from: shripshrapper on January 13, 2019, 12:04:59 AM
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Quote from: rob on January 12, 2019, 11:25:24 PM
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I’m baaccckkkkk

Ever since having a car and doing more things haven’t been on my truck trip as much

Been just riding little old fun stuff to see what was it really like and here’s what I’ve been up to

Indy stage 10 149, damn these are freaking heavy but very much early 2000’s suited, they’re very low oddly compared to riding all these newer taller trucks lately. Legit if Indy is working on a 149 low it’s basically gonna be a re intro of the stage 10 149 standard cause yeah, these things are low and heavy but they definitely turn with the right conical bushings and flip super easy and fun. Not a lot of pop leverage obviously but you can totally jump down stuff and flip your board with that Indy turn style with the old stage, running them with the stock deck side washer with some very nicely old broken in bones hards and no roadside washer, so the nut is against the plastic and they turn great

Next up going back down to 147 thunders on a 8.25 girl deck, after skating with the 149 stage 10 I wanted to also revisit the days of riding smaller trucks on a bigger deck, the days before bigger trucks became the trend

I still love 148/144 and probably gonna go back to that after all this. Love thunder 148 on a 8.13 deck
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After taking some time away, I've realized that I don't like some truck setups as much as I thought.

149 cast thunders with risers and 57mm conicals? The perfect setup! Great pop and stability.

159 indys? Can't get along... we have unspoken issues. It seems that my dream girl has gotten fat and slow. The crazy thin, thunder chick wants me to move in with her.. I can see it ending in horrible wheelbite, but my heart says that we were meant for each other..
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This, so much this. Great analogy.

I was back on Indys for a minute before I switched back to Thunders for that very reason; for me Thunders are just more nimble feeling at the cost of being surfy.

I like how thunders just respond and have your board do what you intended when trying a trick

Idk, they’re magical.

I love how Indy’s feel free flowing and just have this smoothness but idk, when you break the flow of just carving around and doing sub par stuff and try to get serious you REALLY gotta put some effort and oomph on it with Indy’s, you can’t slouch for a second cause you’ll get that sluggish heavy high truck feel from them. If your gonna try something in the realm that requires effort you really gotta put 100% of your energy and all with Indy

Thunders though I notice you can slack some cause they’re not too high so you get a quick pop, they’re light so you don’t have to try and pop hard, and they just stay centered and tight when you need to stay positioned for the trick

Only con though, they definitely can’t cruise Gonz style down the street well cause they’re so refined for trick response and lack carve ability

But hey I’d rather be able to land more tricks then be a terrible attempt at gonz and/or the pros that can just cruise down a sidewalk and rip(Vincent Alvarez, that guy on habitat, idk some pro you guys know that just style it out consistently down a sidewalk)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ged frall on January 16, 2019, 02:33:34 AM
Quote from: rob on January 16, 2019, 02:15:37 AM
Quote from: Xen on January 15, 2019, 10:18:32 AM
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Quote from: shripshrapper on January 13, 2019, 12:04:59 AM
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Quote from: rob on January 12, 2019, 11:25:24 PM
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I’m baaccckkkkk

Ever since having a car and doing more things haven’t been on my truck trip as much

Been just riding little old fun stuff to see what was it really like and here’s what I’ve been up to

Indy stage 10 149, damn these are freaking heavy but very much early 2000’s suited, they’re very low oddly compared to riding all these newer taller trucks lately. Legit if Indy is working on a 149 low it’s basically gonna be a re intro of the stage 10 149 standard cause yeah, these things are low and heavy but they definitely turn with the right conical bushings and flip super easy and fun. Not a lot of pop leverage obviously but you can totally jump down stuff and flip your board with that Indy turn style with the old stage, running them with the stock deck side washer with some very nicely old broken in bones hards and no roadside washer, so the nut is against the plastic and they turn great

Next up going back down to 147 thunders on a 8.25 girl deck, after skating with the 149 stage 10 I wanted to also revisit the days of riding smaller trucks on a bigger deck, the days before bigger trucks became the trend

I still love 148/144 and probably gonna go back to that after all this. Love thunder 148 on a 8.13 deck
[close]

After taking some time away, I've realized that I don't like some truck setups as much as I thought.

149 cast thunders with risers and 57mm conicals? The perfect setup! Great pop and stability.

159 indys? Can't get along... we have unspoken issues. It seems that my dream girl has gotten fat and slow. The crazy thin, thunder chick wants me to move in with her.. I can see it ending in horrible wheelbite, but my heart says that we were meant for each other..
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This, so much this. Great analogy.

I was back on Indys for a minute before I switched back to Thunders for that very reason; for me Thunders are just more nimble feeling at the cost of being surfy.
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I like how thunders just respond and have your board do what you intended when trying a trick

Idk, they’re magical.

I love how Indy’s feel free flowing and just have this smoothness but idk, when you break the flow of just carving around and doing sub par stuff and try to get serious you REALLY gotta put some effort and oomph on it with Indy’s, you can’t slouch for a second cause you’ll get that sluggish heavy high truck feel from them. If your gonna try something in the realm that requires effort you really gotta put 100% of your energy and all with Indy

Thunders though I notice you can slack some cause they’re not too high so you get a quick pop, they’re light so you don’t have to try and pop hard, and they just stay centered and tight when you need to stay positioned for the trick

Only con though, they definitely can’t cruise Gonz style down the street well cause they’re so refined for trick response and lack carve ability

But hey I’d rather be able to land more tricks then be a terrible attempt at gonz and/or the pros that can just cruise down a sidewalk and rip(Vincent Alvarez, that guy on habitat, idk some pro you guys know that just style it out consistently down a sidewalk)

sounds like youd prefer indy forged hollows. lighter and lower than standard indys so you dont have to force tricks as much as standard indys plus you still have that surfy geometry
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on January 16, 2019, 02:44:08 AM

Standard indys are 55mm. The rest are 53,5mm.
Thunders are 52,3 for 8.25 and up. Indys are also many grams heavier then Thunders, even the titanium indys are heavier...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anontechnician on January 16, 2019, 07:12:49 AM
I’m pretty sure the 8.5” thunders are 49mm, the hollow lights with thinner forged baseplate. Theeve  9” are similar height to thunder 8,75”, around 52mm. I’ll try to get to the shop and measure shit with pic when my fucking day off rolls around.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on January 16, 2019, 07:53:36 AM
Ive got Thunder 147 and 148s, both with the forged baseplate.
The 148s are taller, tho I cant say for sure, but the 149 and up are probably as tall as the 148.
Atleast if you look at Tactics.com charts.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: B0udoir on January 16, 2019, 09:30:26 AM
We already discussed that in another thread, but take care about Tactics measurements, I have noticed strange things concerning Thunder trucks.
For example the Team Hollows, they say that the 148 are 51mm high, but mine have the axis aligned with the Hollow Lights 151, which are 52.3 mm.
Also they say that the Team Hollow 151 are 337.4g, which is lighter than the 149 at 338.9g. This is very surprising, how a larger truck can be lighter ?

If Tactics say that they are accurate, my guess is that Thunder are releasing new products and there is a mashup between new and old?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on January 16, 2019, 10:30:57 AM
Quote from: B0udoir on January 16, 2019, 09:30:26 AM
We already discussed that in another thread, but take care about Tactics measurements, I have noticed strange things concerning Thunder trucks.
For example the Team Hollows, they say that the 148 are 51mm high, but mine have the axis aligned with the Hollow Lights 151, which are 52.3 mm.
Also they say that the Team Hollow 151 are 337.4g, which is lighter than the 149 at 338.9g. This is very surprising, how a larger truck can be lighter ?

If Tactics say that they are accurate, my guess is that Thunder are releasing new products and there is a mashup between new and old?

Makes sens that forged 148 is 51mm then. Because the team baseplate is 1mm taller.
I wonder if Thunders production variance is so big that they wont give out measurements. Else people would just complain that their trucks are 1mm taller/lower then specifications lol.

Bushings will also make a difference in height? A really stiff bushing will make it stand up taller?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on January 16, 2019, 11:25:00 AM
I think more of the confusion comes from 147s being a different geometry? For sure different height than the next sizes up. Offhand I think 147s are 49 ish mm (plus or minus for forged/cast) and 148s and up are 52.3 ish. 
I liked skating thunders, have probably had some of my best flatground days with them. Tried them semi recently and while I thought I was attempting a noseslide, any casual observer would have thought I was trying to assinate myself. I’m one of those can’t noseslide thunders people I guess.
Venture, Ace, Indy
(BMW, Benz, or Bentley)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on January 16, 2019, 12:16:59 PM
I don't really have noseslide/tailside issues with Thunders although I can see why some people who don't usually skate them might. I tend to roll up to them assuming my wheels might hit the ledge and so I adjust my speed/weight distribution accordingly. Also, waxing the side of a ledge right below the lip is sometimes necessary. Overall I don't think it's as big of a deal once you're used to it, you just treat the wheels sliding as part of the trick like a bluntslide or a lipslide.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: B0udoir on January 16, 2019, 01:02:28 PM
I think it is a good example that if you are picky about dimensions, it is better to go to a local skateshop with a ruler, compare products and do your maths !
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on January 17, 2019, 07:16:43 PM
I ride stage 11 149 -w- 88 duro conical bushings. It’s 25 degrees in the North East and my bushings aren’t turning. I was thinking of buying soft Indy or soft bones bushings.

Bones shows indys in their commercials but is the bottom cushion really the same height as the Indy cushion? Any one have experience with measuring bones and Indy’s. My anality will not let me buy bushings that are even 1 mm different.

Thanks ahead of time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 17, 2019, 08:15:23 PM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on January 17, 2019, 07:16:43 PM
I ride stage 11 149 -w- 88 duro conical bushings. It’s 25 degrees in the North East and my bushings aren’t turning. I was thinking of buying soft Indy or soft bones bushings.

Bones shows indys in their commercials but is the bottom cushion really the same height as the Indy cushion? Any one have experience with measuring bones and Indy’s. My anality will not let me buy bushings that are even 1 mm different.

Thanks ahead of time.

Rob says bones were made for Indy’s basically

When they designed bones bushings they basically used Indy’s for the standard truck of choice for them

They fit perfect in Indy’s, but they don’t fit right in thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 17, 2019, 08:24:41 PM
I always found they didn't fit perfectly like I had to cram on the top nut. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 17, 2019, 08:53:05 PM
I just bought a set of forged indy 149s last night, and without the bones washer and leaving the nut flush i had noticeable wiggle room with a set of bones meds, more than ive seen on older sets and other trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on January 17, 2019, 09:57:18 PM
Quote from: baustin on January 16, 2019, 12:16:59 PM
I don't really have noseslide/tailside issues with Thunders although I can see why some people who don't usually skate them might. I tend to roll up to them assuming my wheels might hit the ledge and so I adjust my speed/weight distribution accordingly. Also, waxing the side of a ledge right below the lip is sometimes necessary. Overall I don't think it's as big of a deal once you're used to it, you just treat the wheels sliding as part of the trick like a bluntslide or a lipslide.

I had that issue with thunders before. Nose and tailslides felt weird cause of the wheels sticking out but once I got over that, I realized I have more control on them now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 17, 2019, 10:32:33 PM
Funny, I could nose slide the shit out of my thunders and now I’m having trouble doing them on aces? 🤔
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on January 18, 2019, 06:59:33 AM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on January 17, 2019, 08:53:05 PM
I just bought a set of forged indy 149s last night, and without the bones washer and leaving the nut flush i had noticeable wiggle room with a set of bones meds, more than ive seen on older sets and other trucks

give the indy aftermarket conical bushings a try... they changed my life
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on January 18, 2019, 09:37:18 AM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on January 17, 2019, 09:57:18 PM
Quote from: baustin on January 16, 2019, 12:16:59 PM
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I don't really have noseslide/tailside issues with Thunders although I can see why some people who don't usually skate them might. I tend to roll up to them assuming my wheels might hit the ledge and so I adjust my speed/weight distribution accordingly. Also, waxing the side of a ledge right below the lip is sometimes necessary. Overall I don't think it's as big of a deal once you're used to it, you just treat the wheels sliding as part of the trick like a bluntslide or a lipslide.
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I had that issue with thunders before. Nose and tailslides felt weird cause of the wheels sticking out but once I got over that, I realized I have more control on them now.

I never really progressed past the stab and wiggle noseslide attempts. I’d like to be able to get a few that I could sit on. Like a 1/4 hjalte would make my year. I definitely have some sort of ledge dyslexia where I just don’t see what’s supposed to happen. With thunders this is exacerbated and I just hit my wheels and stop instantly. I’ve probably waxed a ledge once in my life so maybe I’ll start. Anyways, went out and skated On some thunders last night and of course flip tricks were easier and now I’m back to who knows what
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on January 18, 2019, 12:24:45 PM
I'll sometimes use harder/ smaller wheels with Thunders but my current Thunder's base plates are nice and worn in (a little rounded out) and they nose/ tail slides as well as any other truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 18, 2019, 11:12:11 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on January 17, 2019, 08:24:41 PM
I always found they didn't fit perfectly like I had to cram on the top nut. 

Really? Indy’s are my only trucks I notice they always just fit

Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on January 17, 2019, 10:32:33 PM
Funny, I could nose slide the shit out of my thunders and now I’m having trouble doing them on aces? 🤔

That’s crazy, my best nose slides were done with some aces cause the baseplate would lock in and make that awesome feeling slide grind noise

I learned slides with thunders but when I switched up with ace and Indy they really did help with the extended baseplate shape, they do lock in better
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on January 19, 2019, 01:14:16 AM
Last season i skated ML trucks, then went for Tensor mag low and then Thunder 148 hollow.
Now back on ML.
If there is anything i would like to get from Thunders, it is the baseplate.
With ML i noseslide with wood, aluminum and urethane.
With Thunder wood and urethane only. More control in my book.
Thunders are really nice btw. I guess i´m a low truck guy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on January 19, 2019, 02:43:46 PM
Theeve V2 TiAx for $27.50 -

Good deal or avoid due to bushing blowouts?

discuss...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 19, 2019, 04:41:05 PM
Quote from: backinaction on January 19, 2019, 02:43:46 PM
Theeve V2 TiAx for $27.50 -

Good deal or avoid due to bushing blowouts?

discuss...

Avoid V2's at all costs
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HHH on January 20, 2019, 06:44:41 AM
Do thunder kingpins fit on indys?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 20, 2019, 08:47:23 AM
Interesting. I wonder if they put those spikes there to grip onto the hanger better or something? As in to reduce slip? Looks like they’re probably not good though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on January 20, 2019, 10:06:47 AM
Quote from: software on January 20, 2019, 08:36:35 AM
First time poster here. My board went under a bus and I want to figure out if my trucks are fucked. They are Ventures 5.8. One is bent for sure but the other looks pretty nice to me(straight axle, no cracks, same axle length on both sides) except for this one part in the union between the axle and the hanger. I don't know if those spikes in the axle are supposed to be there or if the axle got out of place somehow. I can see those things on both sides and the other truck(the bent one) doesn't have them. Are they fucked?

Sorry for the big picture...

(https://i.imgur.com/LAxfC6e.jpg)

You’ll know when you skate em. Using a skateboard causes all types of wear, I’d say just go for it. Product is so much better now than it was. You can skate bent axles and it really doesn’t affect to much imo. Warped boards as well....doesn’t seem to matter too much for me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 20, 2019, 10:46:04 AM
Quote from: software on January 20, 2019, 10:15:34 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 20, 2019, 08:47:23 AM
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Interesting. I wonder if they put those spikes there to grip onto the hanger better or something? As in to reduce slip? Looks like they’re probably not good though.
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I'm pretty sure they are for that. Its the first time I see them in any truck tough.

Hopefully someone with a pair of Ventures can tell me if they see them or not. I'm wondering if I should buy a new set of trucks or just one is enough.

Kinda hard to get pics from there with the trucks attached to a board but I don't have them visible on my Venture 5.8s. I think your axle has slipped. If it's the same length on both sides still, it probably has spun and probably will slip again really easily. I'd just get new trucks.

Interesting to see that's what they've done to the axles to combat axle slip. I've always wondered about this, if they have any countermeasures and if those could be made better. These seem alright but I think having two big ass lumps around the kingpin area where there's a bunch of meat not likely to be ground away might work better. 🤔
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 20, 2019, 12:12:58 PM
I forgot how many pages back it was, and I’m too lazy, but what was the consensus on how to remove paint from an entire hanger and baseplate? I saw the old thread about yellow oven cleaner but that was more geared towards anodized. That aircraft stripper stuff seems to be pretty damn easy, it just bubbles the paint in minutes and you scrape it off, rinse and done. But I don’t know if that would weaken the hanger or axle from such a strong chemical application? Then there’s the overnight acetone bath I believe I read somewhere. Sanding seems too time consuming. Anyone have experience on the best method? Thanks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 20, 2019, 12:45:03 PM
I used this on the last pair

https://www.rustoleum.com.au/DigitalEncyclopedia/product-catalog/RustoleumAU/consumer-brands/motospray/cleaners-and-strippers/quickstrip-paint-remover

does a good job and didnt seem to have any negative effects on the metal. Wear thick gloves when handling though, shit burns like a hell on your fingers.


That being said i cant stand the un polished look of stripped trucks anymore
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 20, 2019, 01:20:23 PM
Thanks! So with the spray, you just did one coat of it? How long did you leave it on for, and did you have to wipe it off or give it a hard scrub?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 20, 2019, 01:55:40 PM
i did it it sections, given how many nooks and crannys there are in trucks, i sprayed one coat, let it set for a couple minutes, it bubbles up before your eyes, then i took a paint scraper and it came off like nothing, turned it over and started again
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 20, 2019, 03:56:39 PM
Right on. So afterwards, I assume you just rinsed them in some water and wiped dry? How did they grind? Any weird stickiness to the grind since they weren’t polished?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 199002 on January 20, 2019, 03:59:54 PM
Just skate that shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 20, 2019, 05:09:08 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 20, 2019, 03:56:39 PM
Right on. So afterwards, I assume you just rinsed them in some water and wiped dry? How did they grind? Any weird stickiness to the grind since they weren’t polished?


I went damn cloth, different cloth dry. I’ve stripped trucks a few times and had different results. The pair I used spray stripper on stuck on some glides on others. But overall it shouldn’t be an issue
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 21, 2019, 03:31:48 PM
Thanks for all the help man! I’ll see what other options there are for paint stripper at the hardware store. I might just go with that aircraft stripper because it works so damn good. I hope it doesn’t end up making the trucks stickier on grinds, I wonder if there’s some kind of finishing spray I could put on after, that would make them glide like a normal polished truck?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on January 21, 2019, 03:54:46 PM
I have a set of Ventures I stripped the paint off using aircraft stripper. It doesnt feel any different from a polished truck  from the factory. Grinding the trucks will polish it right up  ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on January 21, 2019, 04:58:06 PM
Have the truck gods finally spoken? Hopefully these come in 5.8’s or they at least make em in an 8.25 size

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs6bwDtDzmX/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=18nunj5toswqk
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on January 22, 2019, 12:25:38 AM
Quote from: software on January 21, 2019, 11:35:45 PM
Wow, those look amazing. Hopefully they make them in every size and they don't go too crazy with the colorways. Titanium axles and regular hangers?

pretty sure. The metal used on the hangers grind great. I think the Titanium weighs less than the metal used on the axles but more than the aluminum used on the hanger if im not mistaken.  crazy since Ventures are already pretty light. can not wait to try them out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on January 22, 2019, 08:28:26 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on January 21, 2019, 04:58:06 PM
Have the truck gods finally spoken? Hopefully these come in 5.8’s or they at least make em in an 8.25 size

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs6bwDtDzmX/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=18nunj5toswqk

 
Yes please. And an 8.25 low too. Heavenly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 22, 2019, 08:37:38 AM
Riptide pivot cups in my Ventures.  Worth every penny of the ridiculous price

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4900/46840370051_7fb4e67aa7_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 22, 2019, 09:42:17 AM
Quote from: ultrabra on January 22, 2019, 08:28:26 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on January 21, 2019, 04:58:06 PM
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Have the truck gods finally spoken? Hopefully these come in 5.8’s or they at least make em in an 8.25 size

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs6bwDtDzmX/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=18nunj5toswqk
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Yes please. And an 8.25 low too. Heavenly.

An 8.25 TI Hollow Venture lo would be amazing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on January 22, 2019, 09:51:50 AM
Quote from: Xen on January 22, 2019, 09:42:17 AM
Quote from: ultrabra on January 22, 2019, 08:28:26 AM
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Quote from: DaSk8D00D on January 21, 2019, 04:58:06 PM
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Have the truck gods finally spoken? Hopefully these come in 5.8’s or they at least make em in an 8.25 size

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs6bwDtDzmX/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=18nunj5toswqk
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Yes please. And an 8.25 low too. Heavenly.
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An 8.25 TI Hollow Venture lo would be amazing.


Hollow TI axle!?
Absolutley.
DLX Please :'(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 22, 2019, 10:04:35 AM
Quote from: ultrabra on January 22, 2019, 09:51:50 AM
Quote from: Xen on January 22, 2019, 09:42:17 AM
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Quote from: ultrabra on January 22, 2019, 08:28:26 AM
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Quote from: DaSk8D00D on January 21, 2019, 04:58:06 PM
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Have the truck gods finally spoken? Hopefully these come in 5.8’s or they at least make em in an 8.25 size

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs6bwDtDzmX/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=18nunj5toswqk
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Yes please. And an 8.25 low too. Heavenly.
[close]

An 8.25 TI Hollow Venture lo would be amazing.
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Hollow TI axle!?
Absolutley.
DLX Please :'(

They'll never do a hollow titanium axle.  It wouldn't be strong enough.  These will just have a solid titanium axle which is lighter than a hollow steel axle.

The biggest question for me is if they'll come in 5.8.  Venture seems to be neglecting that size since they don't even make a v-hollow for it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on January 22, 2019, 02:56:44 PM
Having gone from Ace to Indy I'm thinking of trying Venture next on a 14-14.25 so I can get the flickity and stability.

So I swapped from aftermarket Indy yellow bushings to the softer Indy Reds. But they don't seem as soft and aren't breaking in. I don't remember bushings taking this long in the past and I don't want my kingpin nuts any higher. Do they take a while?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on January 22, 2019, 04:01:02 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on January 22, 2019, 02:56:44 PM
Having gone from Ace to Indy I'm thinking of trying Venture next on a 14-14.25 so I can get the flickity and stability.

So I swapped from aftermarket Indy yellow bushings to the softer Indy Reds. But they don't seem as soft and aren't breaking in. I don't remember bushings taking this long in the past and I don't want my kingpin nuts any higher. Do they take a while?

What is the temperature? I run conical reds and in the summer they flow. In the winter they are stiff and sweaky. I’m gonna drop to the soft ones to see if I can go back to glowing—at least for the winter.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Allen. on January 22, 2019, 09:12:03 PM
I'm not about to skim through the whole thing but I feel like my last two sets of Indys (the Reynolds and Wes hollows) both seem to be suffering from gnarly axle slip - the Wes' seem to have shipped with uneven axles. Is this only an issue with the hollows? What is going on over at NHS
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on January 22, 2019, 10:22:31 PM
Quote from: Allen. on January 22, 2019, 09:12:03 PM
I'm not about to skim through the whole thing but I feel like my last two sets of Indys (the Reynolds and Wes hollows) both seem to be suffering from gnarly axle slip - the Wes' seem to have shipped with uneven axles. Is this only an issue with the hollows? What is going on over at NHS

Didn’t happen to me, but a bunch of local tippers complained about the quality on Indy’s a few years ago and people started switching.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 23, 2019, 02:10:32 AM
How do some of you guys even ride Indy’s?

I was doing my usual and swapping in and out off trucks and realized how heavy they were compared to most of my trucks, they’re cool trucks but damn...

Having a lighter truck helps a lot
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 23, 2019, 04:14:35 AM
Quote from: Allen. on January 22, 2019, 09:12:03 PM
I'm not about to skim through the whole thing but I feel like my last two sets of Indys (the Reynolds and Wes hollows) both seem to be suffering from gnarly axle slip - the Wes' seem to have shipped with uneven axles. Is this only an issue with the hollows? What is going on over at NHS

I've had a couple sets of Indy titaniums that had uneven axles.  Basically on one truck, when you tighten the wheels, one side would have 2-3 threads showing, the other side would be a thread short in the nyloc.  super annoying
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 23, 2019, 07:02:58 AM
I think my thunder TI's are like that too....


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on January 23, 2019, 07:10:46 AM
This thread is making me want to swap out my 144 indies (I ride 8.25) for some 149 thunders (I kinda wanna go bigger).

 Would thunder hollow lights hold my big ass I’m floating around 6ft and 210lbs. Or am I gonna bend the axles? maybe I should just try thunder lights? I would like to try a lighter truck if I’m sizing up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on January 23, 2019, 09:37:19 AM
Hey. missed the craze for a moment... what's the titanium deal? stronger/ lighter?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on January 23, 2019, 09:46:11 AM
Quote from: rob on January 23, 2019, 02:10:32 AM
How do some of you guys even ride Indy’s?

I was doing my usual and swapping in and out off trucks and realized how heavy they were compared to most of my trucks, they’re cool trucks but damn...

Having a lighter truck helps a lot

They make a titanium version - I tried some recently and was pleasantly surprised with them after I added ACE low bushings- refreshing to try something new after riding theeves for the last 10 years - but idk if I'd say they are better yet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 23, 2019, 11:19:17 AM
Quote from: ultrabra on January 22, 2019, 09:51:50 AM
Quote from: Xen on January 22, 2019, 09:42:17 AM
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Quote from: ultrabra on January 22, 2019, 08:28:26 AM
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Quote from: DaSk8D00D on January 21, 2019, 04:58:06 PM
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Have the truck gods finally spoken? Hopefully these come in 5.8’s or they at least make em in an 8.25 size

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs6bwDtDzmX/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=18nunj5toswqk
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Yes please. And an 8.25 low too. Heavenly.
[close]

An 8.25 TI Hollow Venture lo would be amazing.
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Hollow TI axle!?
Absolutley.
DLX Please :'(

Kingpin (like in the pic).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 23, 2019, 11:21:54 AM
Quote from: Firebert on January 23, 2019, 09:46:11 AM
Quote from: rob on January 23, 2019, 02:10:32 AM
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How do some of you guys even ride Indy’s?

I was doing my usual and swapping in and out off trucks and realized how heavy they were compared to most of my trucks, they’re cool trucks but damn...

Having a lighter truck helps a lot
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They make a titanium version - I tried some recently and was pleasantly surprised with them after I added ACE low bushings- refreshing to try something new after riding theeves for the last 10 years - but idk if I'd say they are better yet.

I see someone else bit on that combo. The ACE low bushings really spruce up Indys; I wouldn't say it makes them better than Theeves tho as Theeves still have a better snap to center and are more stable, even when loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on January 23, 2019, 11:27:17 AM
Quote from: Xen on January 23, 2019, 11:21:54 AM
I see someone else bit on that combo. The ACE low bushings really spruce up Indys; I wouldn't say it makes them better than Theeves tho as Theeves still have a better snap to center and are more stable, even when loose.
Thanks for the advice ;)
Agreed twice
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on January 23, 2019, 12:45:14 PM
Quote from: Murge on January 23, 2019, 07:10:46 AM
This thread is making me want to swap out my 144 indies (I ride 8.25) for some 149 thunders (I kinda wanna go bigger).

 Would thunder hollow lights hold my big ass I’m floating around 6ft and 210lbs. Or am I gonna bend the axles? maybe I should just try thunder lights? I would like to try a lighter truck if I’m sizing up.

Not sure if this is a myth, but I've heard some people say hollow axles resist bending as well or better than solid ones. I tried googling about it but it's a bunch of nerdy physics jargon I'm too stupid to understand. Anyway I've never had problems with hollow axles myself so I say go for it, light trucks are fun.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 23, 2019, 05:23:02 PM
Hollow is weaker but it will snap before it bends.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 23, 2019, 11:40:45 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 23, 2019, 11:21:54 AM
Quote from: Firebert on January 23, 2019, 09:46:11 AM
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How do some of you guys even ride Indy’s?

I was doing my usual and swapping in and out off trucks and realized how heavy they were compared to most of my trucks, they’re cool trucks but damn...

Having a lighter truck helps a lot
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They make a titanium version - I tried some recently and was pleasantly surprised with them after I added ACE low bushings- refreshing to try something new after riding theeves for the last 10 years - but idk if I'd say they are better yet.
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I see someone else bit on that combo. The ACE low bushings really spruce up Indys; I wouldn't say it makes them better than Theeves tho as Theeves still have a better snap to center and are more stable, even when loose.

Yeah but even the titanium Indy’s aren’t as light in my experience compared to having other hollow/titanium trucks

I like how theeves have that responsive feel which gets me excited to throw them back on and give a session, Idk if it’s just me too but bones definitely feel better than the knock offs they have on stock.

Running bones hards with top and bottom washers on some theeve 5.5 and they are just right so far cruising around and popping here and there
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MaitlandPrivado on January 24, 2019, 08:33:51 AM
Theeves with Bones hards feels so much better than anything else I've tried. I tried various Thunder, Indy, Venture and even Krux but none felt as good for me. The turn is fantastic, my daily is 8.25 with 5.5s and I have a fun 9" setup with 6.5s. I also have a new set of 5.85 but I need to pick up more bushings so I can slap them on an old 8.6 Santa Cruz I have laying around that I didn't like with 159 Indys no matter what I tried with Indy aftermarket bushings. I would like to try some Aces sometime but until then it's Theeves & Bones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 26, 2019, 03:43:59 PM
Anyone know if all the Ermico poured stuff is “sandcasted”? I noticed on a new set of Indy’s I just got, there’s all these little pebbles stuck in the mounting holes, in between the stamped baseplate letters, under the hanger where the axle and kingpin is exposed. I remember a set of new Thunders awhile back having the same thing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheVisitor on January 27, 2019, 06:03:29 AM
Indy's are fully China made now, not poured at Ermico.  :-\
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 27, 2019, 08:48:14 AM
I had a convo with the new owner of Tracker a month or so ago. According to him, Indy’s cast stuff is still poured at Ermico but not entirely. They also pour it in China but there’s nothing noticeable to differentiate, so they get away with it. Tracker is no longer made in USA, even though their new hangers are stamped USA underneath (which I think is grounds for a gov’t fine or something?). It’s pretty evident that USA foundries cannot keep up with the demand and cost to churn out so many trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on February 03, 2019, 02:18:22 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on January 21, 2019, 04:58:06 PM
Have the truck gods finally spoken? Hopefully these come in 5.8’s or they at least make em in an 8.25 size

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs6bwDtDzmX/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=18nunj5toswqk

any more news on these???
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 03, 2019, 04:40:59 PM
Yeah, even I'm interested in an 8.25 Ti venture....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 04, 2019, 08:12:34 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 27, 2019, 08:48:14 AM
I had a convo with the new owner of Tracker a month or so ago. According to him, Indy’s cast stuff is still poured at Ermico but not entirely. They also pour it in China but there’s nothing noticeable to differentiate, so they get away with it. Tracker is no longer made in USA, even though their new hangers are stamped USA underneath (which I think is grounds for a gov’t fine or something?). It’s pretty evident that USA foundries cannot keep up with the demand and cost to churn out so many trucks.

I blame Rob.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: olan.is.rollin on February 04, 2019, 11:49:57 AM
red forged hollow indy 169s with indy 78a bushings with 58mm 99du conical full spits and no risers, works wonders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 04, 2019, 12:11:15 PM
Quote from: olan.is.rollin on February 04, 2019, 11:49:57 AM
red forged hollow indy 169s with indy 78a bushings with 58mm 99du conical full spits and no risers, works wonders

I'm very jealous that you can skate those bushings with forged plates and 58mm wheels without dying
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: olan.is.rollin on February 04, 2019, 12:22:06 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on February 04, 2019, 12:11:15 PM
Quote from: olan.is.rollin on February 04, 2019, 11:49:57 AM
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red forged hollow indy 169s with indy 78a bushings with 58mm 99du conical full spits and no risers, works wonders
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I'm very jealous that you can skate those bushings with forged plates and 58mm wheels without dying
It's not that hard tbh, it is just another thing to get used to, the 58s were actually a step down from a set of 60mm 101 bones spf believe it or not, rode without risers on those too
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FROTHY on February 04, 2019, 12:56:41 PM
Film trucks - a French truck company that apparently existed, but then didn't, but exists again.

filmtrucks.co (http://filmtrucks.co)

https://www.instagram.com/p/BtaxPcqFR4C/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on February 04, 2019, 01:49:01 PM
Quote from: FROTHY on February 04, 2019, 12:56:41 PM
Film trucks - a French truck company that apparently existed, but then didn't, but exists again.

filmtrucks.co (http://filmtrucks.co)

https://www.instagram.com/p/BtaxPcqFR4C/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
still owned by jereme daclin?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 04, 2019, 05:14:05 PM
They just redesigned those Film’s recently and they’re more svelt with a lower kingpin and supposedly a better geometry. The new ones in all raw are nowhere to be found in USA. You can order direct but the shipping brings them to about $70-$80 if I remember correctly. Jereme doesn’t seem to be very interested in distributing to the USA as much as Europe.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 04, 2019, 06:41:57 PM
Them film trucks looks it will have a tight wheelbase based on where that axle is to the front holes. They look like a bury destructo truck

Edit: they look similar to indy geo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 04, 2019, 06:46:27 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 04, 2019, 05:14:05 PM
They just redesigned those Film’s recently and they’re more svelt with a lower kingpin and supposedly a better geometry. The new ones in all raw are nowhere to be found in USA. You can order direct but the shipping brings them to about $70-$80 if I remember correctly. Jereme doesn’t seem to be very interested in distributing to the USA as much as Europe.

I thought I was tripping when I looked at the pics because the kingpin is way lower now.  Before it was almost hangar height.  They look like a good truck now
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 04, 2019, 07:32:48 PM
Yeah the truck literally looks identical to Tensor’s “Alloy” truck now. Which makes me skeptical of how well they turn, although they’re described as being made for carving, slappies, and coping.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 199002 on February 04, 2019, 10:08:31 PM
Quote from: olan.is.rollin on February 04, 2019, 11:49:57 AM
red forged hollow indy 169s with indy 78a bushings with 58mm 99du conical full spits and no risers, works wonders

Do you weigh 90lbs and only skate flatground?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 04, 2019, 10:21:40 PM
Film?  Made me think about how little talk about Sternum on here.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on February 05, 2019, 12:04:56 AM
Quote from: Xen on February 04, 2019, 08:12:34 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 27, 2019, 08:48:14 AM
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I had a convo with the new owner of Tracker a month or so ago. According to him, Indy’s cast stuff is still poured at Ermico but not entirely. They also pour it in China but there’s nothing noticeable to differentiate, so they get away with it. Tracker is no longer made in USA, even though their new hangers are stamped USA underneath (which I think is grounds for a gov’t fine or something?). It’s pretty evident that USA foundries cannot keep up with the demand and cost to churn out so many trucks.
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I blame Rob.

I blame slap message boards gear section

Those film trucks look cool if they were a bit lower

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: olan.is.rollin on February 05, 2019, 09:46:56 PM
Quote from: 199002 on February 04, 2019, 10:08:31 PM
Quote from: olan.is.rollin on February 04, 2019, 11:49:57 AM
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red forged hollow indy 169s with indy 78a bushings with 58mm 99du conical full spits and no risers, works wonders
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Do you weigh 90lbs and only skate flatground?
i really only skate tranny and stairs, sometimes curbs and hills but only when i dont feel like driving
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oneOone on February 06, 2019, 01:27:30 AM
Looking forward to the Venture Titaniums.
Film trucks are made in China if anyone cares.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: In A Jar on February 09, 2019, 09:20:05 AM
(http://www.venturetrucks.net/spring19/ve-sp19-catalog-v-titanium-dt.jpg)

New Venture catalog is up.  No Titaniums in 5.8.   :'(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Larry Dallas on February 09, 2019, 09:40:01 AM
Venture needs to cool it with the obnoxious colors. Nobody wants gold trucks.

Also, a 5.5 would be nice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on February 09, 2019, 10:52:44 AM
Ventures are good, the colors can be a lot. The 5.5 and 5.8 titanium’s would make more sense for the current market, but I’m not skating vert. Bones bushings in ventures and they turn easy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on February 09, 2019, 08:59:40 PM
Quote from: Larry Dallas on February 09, 2019, 09:40:01 AM
Venture needs to cool it with the obnoxious colors. Nobody wants gold trucks.

Also, a 5.5 would be nice.

I do, I use to love gold colored things but primitive kinda ruined it for me

I remember when it was more of a pj Ladd thing and a special color gear thing now it’s just overly used to hype the value like supreme
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on February 10, 2019, 01:44:34 AM
I still don't know what's supposed to be the advantage here for the v-titanium ? Lighter (but not hollow axle?) or stronger? Wouldn't hurt for them to advertise it properly ffs
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on February 10, 2019, 02:48:57 AM
Quote from: drinny on February 10, 2019, 01:44:34 AM
I still don't know what's supposed to be the advantage here for the v-titanium ? Lighter (but not hollow axle?) or stronger? Wouldn't hurt for them to advertise it properly ffs

Just like Indy and Thunder. Forged baseplate: lighter, hollow kingpin: lighter, titanium axle: lighter. But I agree that truck marketing is fucked up. "5.2", "144", "148", "44". Why not just list the axle width or maybe even better the width from the outer bearing to the outer bearing on the other side as Aces for example seem to have more axle sticking out from the hanger than other brands so the wheels will be set narrower than they would on some other brand trucks with the same axle width. Also list weights, heights, what the effect on wheelbase is, bushing durometers etc. Shouldn't be too hard.  ???
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 13, 2019, 04:29:46 PM
Does anyone recall when Indy first came out with stage 11’s that the QC (axle slip, etc) was better or worse? I recently found a set of new ones that have USA stamped baseplates and silver kingpins which is unusual because they’ve always been black besides the low kingpins ???
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on February 13, 2019, 08:46:57 PM
Still got some Made in USA stamped stage 11 159s in rotation. Never had axle slip on them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on February 13, 2019, 10:39:19 PM
Quote from: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on February 13, 2019, 08:46:57 PM
Still got some Made in USA stamped stage 11 159s in rotation. Never had axle slip on them.

I have these. Favorite Indy’s. The cast plates might not be perfectly flat on mine. Don’t care. Skate great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: KruxSuck on February 16, 2019, 06:21:15 PM
Thunder(whatever the 8.0 size is)
I swap bushings from my friend who rides krux and loves stock thunder bushings
tighten the truck pretty well
do a fair bit of poser grinds to wear out the king pin
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 16, 2019, 06:29:57 PM
Really wanna try a set of the new Film trucks with the updated geometry. Anyone know of a USA shop that sells them? They cost way too much after shipping from overseas for a regular set of cast trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on February 16, 2019, 07:45:44 PM
So i had the perfect Thunders with the thunder 95 duro bushings. lost my board at an airport and bought a new setup but the shop didn't have the thunder bushings they sell so I got the Independent conical shaped ones that are 92duro and goddamn are those bushings amazing quality - probably my go to for when i get new thunders. the indy conical shape works perfect on the thunders for the stock bushings are a similar conical shape

any one else run indy bushings on other trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on February 17, 2019, 01:14:41 AM
Quote from: fulfillthedream on February 16, 2019, 07:45:44 PM
So i had the perfect Thunders with the thunder 95 duro bushings. lost my board at an airport and bought a new setup but the shop didn't have the thunder bushings they sell so I got the Independent conical shaped ones that are 92duro and goddamn are those bushings amazing quality - probably my go to for when i get new thunders. the indy conical shape works perfect on the thunders for the stock bushings are a similar conical shape

any one else run indy bushings on other trucks?

Indy 78A Super Softs work nicely on Ventures. Same exact shape and size as Venture bushings. Getting rid of the top washer gives you a bit more extra turn. It's quite a fun ride. Loose as fuck in the middle but still rather stable as they're Ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on February 17, 2019, 11:33:59 AM
I tried the red (88a?) Indy's in my Krux and thought they were garbage, hard and plasticky just like stock Krux. I'm still kinda interested in trying the 78a someday, not sure why because the new Ace bushings are the greatest bushings ever made, if you haven't tried them you are doing yourself a dis-service.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dima on February 17, 2019, 12:20:11 PM
Quote from: Roisto on February 17, 2019, 01:14:41 AM
Quote from: fulfillthedream on February 16, 2019, 07:45:44 PM
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So i had the perfect Thunders with the thunder 95 duro bushings. lost my board at an airport and bought a new setup but the shop didn't have the thunder bushings they sell so I got the Independent conical shaped ones that are 92duro and goddamn are those bushings amazing quality - probably my go to for when i get new thunders. the indy conical shape works perfect on the thunders for the stock bushings are a similar conical shape

any one else run indy bushings on other trucks?
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Indy 78A Super Softs work nicely on Ventures. Same exact shape and size as Venture bushings. Getting rid of the top washer gives you a bit more extra turn. It's quite a fun ride. Loose as fuck in the middle but still rather stable as they're Ventures.

Roisto, where ya got those bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on February 17, 2019, 01:26:03 PM
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So i had the perfect Thunders with the thunder 95 duro bushings. lost my board at an airport and bought a new setup but the shop didn't have the thunder bushings they sell so I got the Independent conical shaped ones that are 92duro and goddamn are those bushings amazing quality - probably my go to for when i get new thunders. the indy conical shape works perfect on the thunders for the stock bushings are a similar conical shape

any one else run indy bushings on other trucks?
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Indy 78A Super Softs work nicely on Ventures. Same exact shape and size as Venture bushings. Getting rid of the top washer gives you a bit more extra turn. It's quite a fun ride. Loose as fuck in the middle but still rather stable as they're Ventures.
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Roisto, where ya got those bushings?

Lamina
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Seduction on February 17, 2019, 11:23:52 PM
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I tried the red (88a?) Indy's in my Krux and thought they were garbage, hard and plasticky just like stock Krux. I'm still kinda interested in trying the 78a someday, not sure why because the new Ace bushings are the greatest bushings ever made, if you haven't tried them you are doing yourself a dis-service.
Do the new Ace bushings come stock or are the ones you’re referring to the aftermarket “performance” bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Larry Dallas on February 17, 2019, 11:30:13 PM
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I tried the red (88a?) Indy's in my Krux and thought they were garbage, hard and plasticky just like stock Krux. I'm still kinda interested in trying the 78a someday, not sure why because the new Ace bushings are the greatest bushings ever made, if you haven't tried them you are doing yourself a dis-service.
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Do the new Ace bushings come stock or are the ones you’re referring to the aftermarket “performance” bushings?
Fun fact: those aftermarket ace performance bushings are exactly the same as the stocks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on February 18, 2019, 07:45:13 AM
what ever happened to those circular thunder baseplates we saw a few years back?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on February 18, 2019, 08:24:03 AM
Quote from: fulfillthedream on February 18, 2019, 07:45:13 AM
what ever happened to those circular thunder baseplates we saw a few years back?

Pic? Thunders are sick. I’m terrible and did have a harder time with the baseplates and the ledges and the wheels and the falling down
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on February 18, 2019, 11:37:07 AM
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I tried the red (88a?) Indy's in my Krux and thought they were garbage, hard and plasticky just like stock Krux. I'm still kinda interested in trying the 78a someday, not sure why because the new Ace bushings are the greatest bushings ever made, if you haven't tried them you are doing yourself a dis-service.
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Do the new Ace bushings come stock or are the ones you’re referring to the aftermarket “performance” bushings?
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Fun fact: those aftermarket ace performance bushings are exactly the same as the stocks.

Yeah, that's exactly why you don't hear about people replacing the bushings in (3rd gen) Ace anymore. They don't get a ton of credit from Ace users because they are known for their turning anyways, but try them in a different brand of truck and you will see. They make Krux a completely different truck. It's ironic because people used to love Krux bushings in Ace trucks, but I feel like that was due to a slight size difference that made the Ace looser. The regular size Ace bushings are a hair bigger than the stock Krux, but it works out because they are way softer. Another guy used the low versions in Indy's with good results. Get one of each size and try them out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dima on February 18, 2019, 03:04:29 PM
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So i had the perfect Thunders with the thunder 95 duro bushings. lost my board at an airport and bought a new setup but the shop didn't have the thunder bushings they sell so I got the Independent conical shaped ones that are 92duro and goddamn are those bushings amazing quality - probably my go to for when i get new thunders. the indy conical shape works perfect on the thunders for the stock bushings are a similar conical shape

any one else run indy bushings on other trucks?
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Indy 78A Super Softs work nicely on Ventures. Same exact shape and size as Venture bushings. Getting rid of the top washer gives you a bit more extra turn. It's quite a fun ride. Loose as fuck in the middle but still rather stable as they're Ventures.
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Roisto, where ya got those bushings?
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Lamina

Been running the soft conicals but was hoping these would be bit more stable but still have that turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on February 18, 2019, 05:56:53 PM
I haven't ever messed too much with aftermarket bushings, but lately my krux seem to be jamming up, squeaking when turning, and generally feeling unstable to stand on. I'm wondering what brand + duro I should look for if I want to have a good cruisy, carvy, surfy kinda feeling turn with no squeaks, but still a good solid feeling of stability for when I'm locked into grinds and manuals. Anyone got any ideas? Was leaning towards medium duro bones bushings and maybe taking the plunge on some riptide cups.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on February 18, 2019, 07:12:20 PM
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what ever happened to those circular thunder baseplates we saw a few years back?
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Pic? Thunders are sick. I’m terrible and did have a harder time with the baseplates and the ledges and the wheels and the falling down

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPGUy3GgasH/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BPGUy3GgasH/)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 18, 2019, 08:50:50 PM
Id rather skate the wheels before the hardware......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on February 18, 2019, 09:19:55 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on February 18, 2019, 05:56:53 PM
I haven't ever messed too much with aftermarket bushings, but lately my krux seem to be jamming up, squeaking when turning, and generally feeling unstable to stand on. I'm wondering what brand + duro I should look for if I want to have a good cruisy, carvy, surfy kinda feeling turn with no squeaks, but still a good solid feeling of stability for when I'm locked into grinds and manuals. Anyone got any ideas? Was leaning towards medium duro bones bushings and maybe taking the plunge on some riptide cups.

Riptide cups, bones medium, Indy or ace hangers and baseplates.

Seriously.

I bought a set of Krux and skated them twice. They turn like a train
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on February 18, 2019, 11:39:30 PM
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what ever happened to those circular thunder baseplates we saw a few years back?
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Pic? Thunders are sick. I’m terrible and did have a harder time with the baseplates and the ledges and the wheels and the falling down
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BPGUy3GgasH/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BPGUy3GgasH/)

looks like the OG thunder baseplate  :)
(https://i.postimg.cc/dkCpVhQ7/Vintage-Old-School-THUNDER-skateboard-Trucks-base-plates.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dkCpVhQ7)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on February 18, 2019, 11:59:10 PM
What’s this ”long bolts for stability”-thing, never heard about it before?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BasedSenpai on February 19, 2019, 12:01:31 AM
Ace trucks 55, no washers, stock bushings, shakey loose
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on February 19, 2019, 12:22:21 AM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  on February 18, 2019, 11:59:10 PM
What’s this ”long bolts for stability”-thing, never heard about it before?
I think flush bolts might get loose if they don't reach the nylon. Happened to me before but has not happened to me as of late.....just a theory though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on February 19, 2019, 03:30:18 AM
i dunno im running 1 1/2 indy bolts with 1/4 risers and mine still get loose after a few sessions
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Post by: Bizarro Jerry on February 19, 2019, 04:41:28 AM
I would instantly buy thunders if they released them with the old baseplates if that means I won't stick on literally any nose or tailslide.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on February 19, 2019, 11:47:11 AM
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I haven't ever messed too much with aftermarket bushings, but lately my krux seem to be jamming up, squeaking when turning, and generally feeling unstable to stand on. I'm wondering what brand + duro I should look for if I want to have a good cruisy, carvy, surfy kinda feeling turn with no squeaks, but still a good solid feeling of stability for when I'm locked into grinds and manuals. Anyone got any ideas? Was leaning towards medium duro bones bushings and maybe taking the plunge on some riptide cups.
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Riptide cups, bones medium, Indy or ace hangers and baseplates.

Seriously.

I bought a set of Krux and skated them twice. They turn like a train

Thanks for the info. It's weird my Krux felt like they turned decent when I first got em.

Are riptide cups specific sizes for specific brands or can I just order any old thing and know it'll fit in my Krux?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on February 19, 2019, 01:34:45 PM
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I haven't ever messed too much with aftermarket bushings, but lately my krux seem to be jamming up, squeaking when turning, and generally feeling unstable to stand on. I'm wondering what brand + duro I should look for if I want to have a good cruisy, carvy, surfy kinda feeling turn with no squeaks, but still a good solid feeling of stability for when I'm locked into grinds and manuals. Anyone got any ideas? Was leaning towards medium duro bones bushings and maybe taking the plunge on some riptide cups.
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Riptide cups, bones medium, Indy or ace hangers and baseplates.

Seriously.

I bought a set of Krux and skated them twice. They turn like a train
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Thanks for the info. It's weird my Krux felt like they turned decent when I first got em.

Are riptide cups specific sizes for specific brands or can I just order any old thing and know it'll fit in my Krux?

I think the ones that fit Indys would fit - but that's just a guess.

But before you spend $15 on cups and $10 on bushings for a total of $25, think about just spending $36 on Indys (on sale for 10% off today on Tactics) and then selling the Krux to some kid who doesn't know better for $10.  you will be happier.



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on February 19, 2019, 04:31:26 PM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on February 18, 2019, 11:39:30 PM
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what ever happened to those circular thunder baseplates we saw a few years back?
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Pic? Thunders are sick. I’m terrible and did have a harder time with the baseplates and the ledges and the wheels and the falling down
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BPGUy3GgasH/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BPGUy3GgasH/)

That would be sick. Love to see some re-issues of old trucks. If there was a way to do old Thunders with more KP clearance....
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looks like the OG thunder baseplate  :)
(https://i.postimg.cc/dkCpVhQ7/Vintage-Old-School-THUNDER-skateboard-Trucks-base-plates.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dkCpVhQ7)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on February 19, 2019, 05:41:48 PM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on February 19, 2019, 03:30:18 AM
i dunno im running 1 1/2 indy bolts with 1/4 risers and mine still get loose after a few sessions
super glue or loctide those fuckers in. They wont move.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on February 20, 2019, 07:13:28 AM
I had the blue adidas/silas krux in 8.0 that didn't steer for shit, but the forged 8.25 I got later was awesome
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on February 20, 2019, 10:36:53 AM
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I haven't ever messed too much with aftermarket bushings, but lately my krux seem to be jamming up, squeaking when turning, and generally feeling unstable to stand on. I'm wondering what brand + duro I should look for if I want to have a good cruisy, carvy, surfy kinda feeling turn with no squeaks, but still a good solid feeling of stability for when I'm locked into grinds and manuals. Anyone got any ideas? Was leaning towards medium duro bones bushings and maybe taking the plunge on some riptide cups.
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Riptide cups, bones medium, Indy or ace hangers and baseplates.

Seriously.

I bought a set of Krux and skated them twice. They turn like a train
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Thanks for the info. It's weird my Krux felt like they turned decent when I first got em.

Are riptide cups specific sizes for specific brands or can I just order any old thing and know it'll fit in my Krux?
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I think the ones that fit Indys would fit - but that's just a guess.

But before you spend $15 on cups and $10 on bushings for a total of $25, think about just spending $36 on Indys (on sale for 10% off today on Tactics) and then selling the Krux to some kid who doesn't know better for $10.  you will be happier.

Believe it or not, not everyone wants to or likes riding Indys, they're heavy and they don't grind as well as other brands in my experience (at least ledges) and those don't seem worth it to me when I could likely tune up trucks I already have to make them turn the way I want. Also seems like lots of people get Indys and still feel the need to swap out bushings. I'm also 31 and don't skate super hard, trucks last me literally years so $25 to tune things up doesn't feel too bad to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on February 20, 2019, 11:06:53 AM
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I haven't ever messed too much with aftermarket bushings, but lately my krux seem to be jamming up, squeaking when turning, and generally feeling unstable to stand on. I'm wondering what brand + duro I should look for if I want to have a good cruisy, carvy, surfy kinda feeling turn with no squeaks, but still a good solid feeling of stability for when I'm locked into grinds and manuals. Anyone got any ideas? Was leaning towards medium duro bones bushings and maybe taking the plunge on some riptide cups.
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Riptide cups, bones medium, Indy or ace hangers and baseplates.

Seriously.

I bought a set of Krux and skated them twice. They turn like a train
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Thanks for the info. It's weird my Krux felt like they turned decent when I first got em.

Are riptide cups specific sizes for specific brands or can I just order any old thing and know it'll fit in my Krux?
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I think the ones that fit Indys would fit - but that's just a guess.

But before you spend $15 on cups and $10 on bushings for a total of $25, think about just spending $36 on Indys (on sale for 10% off today on Tactics) and then selling the Krux to some kid who doesn't know better for $10.  you will be happier.
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Believe it or not, not everyone wants to or likes riding Indys, they're heavy and they don't grind as well as other brands in my experience (at least ledges) and those don't seem worth it to me when I could likely tune up trucks I already have to make them turn the way I want. Also seems like lots of people get Indys and still feel the need to swap out bushings. I'm also 31 and don't skate super hard, trucks last me literally years so $25 to tune things up doesn't feel too bad to me.

I believe that not everyone likes Indys.  They aren't my top choice either. I prefer Mini Logo, but most people don't.

That said, I have Mini Logo, Indy, Thunder, Royal and Krux.    Of them, Krux is my least favorite and I don't think I would spend any more money on them as every other truck I have is a better choice.

Dude is looking to turn, so that also rules out Thunder in my book.   I'm not going to recommend Royal because - while better than Krux - they aren't most peoples first choice.   I'm not going to recommend Mini Logo because a lot of people don't find them "cool" and you have to run risers, which some people don't like either.   That leaves Indy for a recommendation.  They are a safe "better than Krux"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on February 20, 2019, 11:12:31 AM
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I haven't ever messed too much with aftermarket bushings, but lately my krux seem to be jamming up, squeaking when turning, and generally feeling unstable to stand on. I'm wondering what brand + duro I should look for if I want to have a good cruisy, carvy, surfy kinda feeling turn with no squeaks, but still a good solid feeling of stability for when I'm locked into grinds and manuals. Anyone got any ideas? Was leaning towards medium duro bones bushings and maybe taking the plunge on some riptide cups.
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Riptide cups, bones medium, Indy or ace hangers and baseplates.

Seriously.

I bought a set of Krux and skated them twice. They turn like a train
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Thanks for the info. It's weird my Krux felt like they turned decent when I first got em.

Are riptide cups specific sizes for specific brands or can I just order any old thing and know it'll fit in my Krux?
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I think the ones that fit Indys would fit - but that's just a guess.

But before you spend $15 on cups and $10 on bushings for a total of $25, think about just spending $36 on Indys (on sale for 10% off today on Tactics) and then selling the Krux to some kid who doesn't know better for $10.  you will be happier.
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Believe it or not, not everyone wants to or likes riding Indys, they're heavy and they don't grind as well as other brands in my experience (at least ledges) and those don't seem worth it to me when I could likely tune up trucks I already have to make them turn the way I want. Also seems like lots of people get Indys and still feel the need to swap out bushings. I'm also 31 and don't skate super hard, trucks last me literally years so $25 to tune things up doesn't feel too bad to me.
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I believe that not everyone likes Indys.  They aren't my top choice either. I prefer Mini Logo, but most people don't.

That said, I have Mini Logo, Indy, Thunder, Royal and Krux.    Of them, Krux is my least favorite and I don't think I would spend any more money on them as every other truck I have is a better choice.

Dude is looking to turn, so that also rules out Thunder in my book.   I'm not going to recommend Royal because - while better than Krux - they aren't most peoples first choice.   I'm not going to recommend Mini Logo because a lot of people don't find them "cool" and you have to run risers, which some people don't like either.   That leaves Indy for a recommendation.

Fair enough. Maybe it's time for me to just have multiple trucks around anyway seeing as how I never really tried too much out since I was younger and couldn't tell the difference between shit. Only problem is Indys seem like the one brand you never luck out and find on the cheap anywhere.

Just out of curiosity what is it that you like about Mini Logos? I have a set of risers lying around and don't care about looking cool since I already skate like an idiot anyway so I'd give em a shot if you think they fit what I'm lookin for.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on February 20, 2019, 11:22:03 AM
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I haven't ever messed too much with aftermarket bushings, but lately my krux seem to be jamming up, squeaking when turning, and generally feeling unstable to stand on. I'm wondering what brand + duro I should look for if I want to have a good cruisy, carvy, surfy kinda feeling turn with no squeaks, but still a good solid feeling of stability for when I'm locked into grinds and manuals. Anyone got any ideas? Was leaning towards medium duro bones bushings and maybe taking the plunge on some riptide cups.
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Riptide cups, bones medium, Indy or ace hangers and baseplates.

Seriously.

I bought a set of Krux and skated them twice. They turn like a train
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Thanks for the info. It's weird my Krux felt like they turned decent when I first got em.

Are riptide cups specific sizes for specific brands or can I just order any old thing and know it'll fit in my Krux?
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I think the ones that fit Indys would fit - but that's just a guess.

But before you spend $15 on cups and $10 on bushings for a total of $25, think about just spending $36 on Indys (on sale for 10% off today on Tactics) and then selling the Krux to some kid who doesn't know better for $10.  you will be happier.
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Believe it or not, not everyone wants to or likes riding Indys, they're heavy and they don't grind as well as other brands in my experience (at least ledges) and those don't seem worth it to me when I could likely tune up trucks I already have to make them turn the way I want. Also seems like lots of people get Indys and still feel the need to swap out bushings. I'm also 31 and don't skate super hard, trucks last me literally years so $25 to tune things up doesn't feel too bad to me.
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I believe that not everyone likes Indys.  They aren't my top choice either. I prefer Mini Logo, but most people don't.

That said, I have Mini Logo, Indy, Thunder, Royal and Krux.    Of them, Krux is my least favorite and I don't think I would spend any more money on them as every other truck I have is a better choice.

Dude is looking to turn, so that also rules out Thunder in my book.   I'm not going to recommend Royal because - while better than Krux - they aren't most peoples first choice.   I'm not going to recommend Mini Logo because a lot of people don't find them "cool" and you have to run risers, which some people don't like either.   That leaves Indy for a recommendation.  They are a safe "better than Krux"

Indys....are a tough one. I’ll always have some, they will always work, will always last. I’ll also always feel like things could be better. Independents are a very safe recommendation until people develop their own preferences. That recommendation may have been because Krux are based off of an older Indy stage, and with what some people describe as a limited by design, turning radius. More of a tilt than turn I guess. Dunno. Trucks are easily the most personal piece in my opinion. Right now I’m riding ventures. Tiny ones. And low. They turn Very well for me (albeit with very small wheels and bones bushings).
Royals also turn really well. They need to be fairly loose tho, sloppy ish. And the hangers have a softer (cheaper most likely) aluminum that gives well with crusty ledges. I personally cannot wear out equipment fast enough. I’m old, I’m not good, and I don’t skate enough. Royals were fine by me. (I had the first lows with the og script and loved them and regret not riding them longer....probably started riding Orion’s or some shit. I’ve had a couple sets of the 4’s and they are a lower truck that you can ride with bigger wheels, although I didn’t. Similar height to a 147 thunder, less bite). Aces also have a softer metal. Ventures always feel like the hardest metal until some grinds get going. This is all also bullshit, not based on science and totally on my ‘feelings’
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on February 20, 2019, 11:33:48 AM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on February 20, 2019, 11:12:31 AM

Just out of curiosity what is it that you like about Mini Logos? I have a set of risers lying around and don't care about looking cool since I already skate like an idiot anyway so I'd give em a shot if you think they fit what I'm lookin for.

Mini Logos are an odd one.  They are super low - I think 48mm, but they have a nice turn to them. They aren't quite as surfy as an Indy/Ace, but they seem to be more stable on center.   They turn better than a Thunder or Krux.

On pool coping they grind smoother than other trucks I have used- including Indy.  It isn't a huge difference, but skating them back to back I notice the difference.

The sides of the hanger have a nice little dip that helps lock in on ledges and on coping.

Axle placement (fore-aft) is really similar to Indy and not wide like a Thunder or Venture.  As such, I don't get quite the pop as on a Thunder, but I give that up for the turning.

On my 8" trucks I find I can run up to a 53 mm without a riser.  On my 8.38" ones I do end up using a 1/10 riser with 53s.  I have used 55s with just the 1/10, but a 1/4 is better.

One of the bad things is that they don't have much kingpin clearance because they are so low.  I put a Krux inverted kingpin in mine (which requires quite a bit of J&B Liquid Weld) to more clearance.  Stock bushings are ok, but I like Bones Mediums better.  I did notice a difference when I put in the Riptide cups.

So there you have it - I took one of the cheapest trucks on the market and put another $30 into them with aftermarket parts.


An in-depth review of them:
http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2013/06/mini-logo-trucks-review.html
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on February 20, 2019, 12:18:13 PM
Who remembers those old shittyy truck commercials with the beautiful Bob seger singing
"like a rock... Oooohhh like a rock" I think it was Chevy. Why did they make it so sensual? That was a turning point for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on February 20, 2019, 12:20:07 PM
Quote from: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on February 20, 2019, 12:18:13 PM
Who remembers those old shittyy truck commercials with the beautiful Bob seger singing
"like a rock... Oooohhh like a rock" I think it was Chevy. Why did they make it so sensual? That was a turning point for me.
You mean why did Bob Seger write a love song or why did Chevy use it?

The answer to both is money.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on February 20, 2019, 12:22:57 PM
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Who remembers those old shittyy truck commercials with the beautiful Bob seger singing
"like a rock... Oooohhh like a rock" I think it was Chevy. Why did they make it so sensual? That was a turning point for me.
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You mean why did Bob Seger write a love song or why did Chevy use it?

The answer to both is money.
I would literally not dare to ever question a single decision made by Bob Seger. That would be suicide. Why did Chevy use that vibe to sell trucks? Maybe if royal tried that angle it could work. Just hit up Bob.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 20, 2019, 06:48:08 PM
Rob these guys are biting your material.....when I have more time I'm gonna start a minilogo burner account and just troll the Indy Instagram page....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whenyousleep on February 22, 2019, 04:24:02 PM
This might be a totally lost cause, but do you guys have any bushing recommendations in order to make venture 5.2 lo's turn (besides bones)? I was thinking of trying out the ACE lo bushing in them, does anyone know if they more or less keep the geometry of the truck? I know I'm not gonna get them to turn as well as anything like a thunder or an ace, but I just want something to make them turn decently well. I don't know why but I can't get the idea of a venture lo with good bushings and krux kingpins out of my head.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 22, 2019, 08:51:54 PM
try sanding the top bushing down. Thats how mine turn
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on February 22, 2019, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: whenyousleep on February 22, 2019, 04:24:02 PM
This might be a totally lost cause, but do you guys have any bushing recommendations in order to make venture 5.2 lo's turn (besides bones)? I was thinking of trying out the ACE lo bushing in them, does anyone know if they more or less keep the geometry of the truck? I know I'm not gonna get them to turn as well as anything like a thunder or an ace, but I just want something to make them turn decently well. I don't know why but I can't get the idea of a venture lo with good bushings and krux kingpins out of my head.

Goddamn it. These trucks turn. Is a truck that’s 48 mm tall going to turn like a truck that is 53 mm tall? No. If your trucks are loose enough, and or wheels small enough. Curious: why not just use the bones? Mediums in mind 5.0 lo and they turn as much as I want them too. I’ve got small wheels. On that board. I have other trucks that turn really well (I don’t get much wheel bite with aces using 55+ wheels and no risers), but ventures turn fine. 5.2s are sick. I should only skate those but I’m on some weird nostalgia kick and skating a 7.5 is too fun
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on February 23, 2019, 05:32:39 AM
To the people who shave their bushings, what do you use? What is your technique?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 23, 2019, 08:34:29 AM
Sand paper or some griptape. I sand the bottom side of the top bushing. It lets me shave off what I need and use all original hardware. I just use my hand and body weight and evenly rotate while sanding.

I sand off my top bushing the size of the washer so I can have my bolts flush to the kingpin and ride wobbly loose.

(http://i65.tinypic.com/6fbihz.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on February 23, 2019, 09:01:57 AM
Word, thanks. Going to give it a try on these harder bushings I found that are a little too high for my ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whenyousleep on February 23, 2019, 09:34:47 AM
Quote from: Ok on February 22, 2019, 09:10:09 PM
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This might be a totally lost cause, but do you guys have any bushing recommendations in order to make venture 5.2 lo's turn (besides bones)? I was thinking of trying out the ACE lo bushing in them, does anyone know if they more or less keep the geometry of the truck? I know I'm not gonna get them to turn as well as anything like a thunder or an ace, but I just want something to make them turn decently well. I don't know why but I can't get the idea of a venture lo with good bushings and krux kingpins out of my head.
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Goddamn it. These trucks turn. Is a truck that’s 48 mm tall going to turn like a truck that is 53 mm tall? No. If your trucks are loose enough, and or wheels small enough. Curious: why not just use the bones? Mediums in mind 5.0 lo and they turn as much as I want them too. I’ve got small wheels. On that board. I have other trucks that turn really well (I don’t get much wheel bite with aces using 55+ wheels and no risers), but ventures turn fine. 5.2s are sick. I should only skate those but I’m on some weird nostalgia kick and skating a 7.5 is too fun

I can’t do bones bushings anymore, they always have a couple good weeks where they’re perfectly broken in and loose but they end up mushing out and breaking for me. I might end up trying out the ace ones and if they dont fit i’ll sand them down to. The krux kingpins though...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Larry Dallas on February 23, 2019, 10:11:09 AM
Try the low blue Indy conical bushings. Also, I don’t think a krux kingpin would work in venture lows. Could be wrong, but I just think it would be too tall.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HHH on February 23, 2019, 12:41:04 PM
More than 10 years indy skater - recently started skating thunders. Don't have that surfy feeling anymore, but I love the look and turn! Much lighter too and faster turn. Lil bit of stick on smiths at first (unlike indy) but the kingpin has been put to work and now its good.

Also, I had become tired of how much indy was praised for what it is - "ride the best, fuck the rest" and all that "for life" mentality. However, Thunder's logo is still that wack ass green day logo.

Anyways, I'm loving the thunder lights! Becoming older made me loose the love of feeling of a surfy truck and I find the Thunder responsiveness and look more appealing.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on February 23, 2019, 01:56:51 PM
Quote from: Larry Dallas on February 23, 2019, 10:11:09 AM
Try the low blue Indy conical bushings. Also, I don’t think a krux kingpin would work in venture lows. Could be wrong, but I just think it would be too tall.

Larry stays correct.
The Indy cones work well. The deluxe thunder soft work well. I think the krux mod is fucking wack. Which is why i don’t do it. Reducing the height of the pin will not increase turning. I’m usually wrong tho so whatever.
The bones do break. And I was on a little spree of hating them cuz although they feel good right away, they never feel AS good as thoroughly broken in og bushings. Now I just break them and continue to ride them, I don’t really notice the difference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on February 23, 2019, 04:09:03 PM
Anyone still out here riding 149’s on 8.25s? I’m probably gonna size down from my usual 8.38 to 8.25 after my current deck, and don’t feel like getting all new 148s just for the perfect fit

Also, does anyone else do Venture 5.25’s with 8.25’s? I might try those titanium’s next if they work well with that combo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Festivus on February 23, 2019, 04:47:54 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on February 23, 2019, 04:09:03 PM
Also, does anyone else do Venture 5.25’s with 8.25’s? I might try those titanium’s next if they work well with that combo


I'm on a 8.38 with 5.2 hi's and it works fine. I put 3 speedrings on the insides of the axles to push the wheels out a bit further.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 23, 2019, 05:21:09 PM
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Still got some Made in USA stamped stage 11 159s in rotation. Never had axle slip on them.
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I have these. Favorite Indy’s. The cast plates might not be perfectly flat on mine. Don’t care. Skate great.

Funny because my newly found USA stamped stage 11’s have one truck with the same problem. Does the warped baseplate sitting unevenly on your board make it sound dead at all?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on February 23, 2019, 05:57:27 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 23, 2019, 05:21:09 PM
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Still got some Made in USA stamped stage 11 159s in rotation. Never had axle slip on them.
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I have these. Favorite Indy’s. The cast plates might not be perfectly flat on mine. Don’t care. Skate great.
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Funny because my newly found USA stamped stage 11’s have one truck with the same problem. Does the warped baseplate sitting unevenly on your board make it sound dead at all?

Didn’t really notice. The only time that drove me crazy was when I was a kid and put the wrong kind of lubricant on bearings. So nah.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 23, 2019, 08:47:17 PM
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Still got some Made in USA stamped stage 11 159s in rotation. Never had axle slip on them.
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I have these. Favorite Indy’s. The cast plates might not be perfectly flat on mine. Don’t care. Skate great.
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Funny because my newly found USA stamped stage 11’s have one truck with the same problem. Does the warped baseplate sitting unevenly on your board make it sound dead at all?
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Didn’t really notice. The only time that drove me crazy was when I was a kid and put the wrong kind of lubricant on bearings. So nah.

I’ve had that with fresh expensive bearings, made everything sound really dead. I just stick with reds now. But yeah, baseplate was a false alarm. Turns out it was the NHS factory sticker crinkled up. Took a razor blade and scraped the baseplates clean, put in fresh cups and bushings, extra speed rings, now they’re ready for years of grinding to the axle. Stoked!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on February 23, 2019, 09:41:53 PM
Quote from: Festivus on February 23, 2019, 04:47:54 PM
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Also, does anyone else do Venture 5.25’s with 8.25’s? I might try those titanium’s next if they work well with that combo
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I'm on a 8.38 with 5.2 hi's and it works fine. I put 3 speedrings on the insides of the axles to push the wheels out a bit further.

interested in hearing about the titanium’s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on February 23, 2019, 10:55:34 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on February 23, 2019, 04:09:03 PM
Anyone still out here riding 149’s on 8.25s? I’m probably gonna size down from my usual 8.38 to 8.25 after my current deck, and don’t feel like getting all new 148s just for the perfect fit

I think you will really like 149s on an 8.25. The outside of your wheels will line up perfectly with your board, so I think you will feel more in tune with your board. I actually had 149s on an 8 and it was really cool but the were regular Indys so the front was too heavy in the front. It would have been great with hollow Indys though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on February 24, 2019, 03:30:34 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on February 20, 2019, 06:48:08 PM
Rob these guys are biting your material.....when I have more time I'm gonna start a minilogo burner account and just troll the Indy Instagram page....

J soy! Missed you man

Hey guys stop trying to think you know more about trucks than my mental kook ass

Mini logos are respectable and honestly honestly(in my opinion of course)

They from my street skating roots feel a lot better than Indy’s, why??

Cause as a street skater I prefer a mid/low truck for quicker pop and response, Indy’s are too tall and turny/loose

Mini logo I’ve tried with the recommended bones medium swap and even the just bones road side and mini logo deck side so it’s stable but still turns quick and responsive cause of the bones but has the stability of the cylinder mini logo, I prefer the stock mini logo bushings

Idk what it is but they’re like an old reliable fun car, once you warm up on them and get the feeling for the geo they respond really well pop and turn wise and cause they’re low they make it easy to flip the board and catch

Recently I’ve been riding krux downlow 4.0/8” going back to my roots and seriously, I like them a lot

They remind me of my 7.8 days but the trucks and me can actually turn, they don’t turn as well and fast as other trucks but something about them gets the job done for me

I got the Garrett ginner gold krux 8” downlows on a 8.06 Krooked and I like it a lot, obviously I took some acetone to get the kids name off MY trucks so they’re just gold now but yeah...I like them a lot, they have this response that makes them work but have a lag in the after math of things, like you go in for a deep turn(I have them medium loose) and they’ll start going and tilting and turning but when you try to get straight back to center they require a bit of balancing and effort like your walking on a tight rope in the circus after taking a step forward and you have to get back to center yourself

So yeah, anything you do on these krux works very responsivley BUT returning to center/balance on the land/turn is a little tricky cause they kinda stick

Now you guys are getting me to throw my mini logos on for a sesh cause I’m recalling how good they were for kickflips, they just pop and flip and you feel how responsive they are. I just didn’t like the manual point, had to get use to that
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on February 24, 2019, 08:07:48 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on February 23, 2019, 04:09:03 PM
Anyone still out here riding 149’s on 8.25s? I’m probably gonna size down from my usual 8.38 to 8.25 after my current deck, and don’t feel like getting all new 148s just for the perfect fit

Also, does anyone else do Venture 5.25’s with 8.25’s? I might try those titanium’s next if they work well with that combo

I ride Venture 5.8 with 8.25 and I think its perfect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SneakySecrets on February 26, 2019, 08:06:04 PM
Can someone tell me why Venture doesn’t make a 8.25” truck? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on February 26, 2019, 08:26:46 PM
Quote from: SneakySecrets on February 26, 2019, 08:06:04 PM
Can someone tell me why Venture doesn’t make a 8.25” truck?

Not enough people ride venture yet for them to diversify

Goto the park and you’ll see 90% of the park is team Indy or thunder

But you say royal and Destructo and other companies as trashy as silver make an 8.25 truck?

That’s cause they’re probably able to sell world wide and break even on sales, idk ventures are cool but from my experience it so refreshing to step back on better turning trucks when you’ve ridden ventures for a week or some

I was enjoying my 5.2 lot and got some gnarly crooks and groove on them but it kinda annoyed me leaving a spot cruising around the streets to the next spot leaning so hard to get around a corner

They work well for skating a spot but cruising around and pulling a mark G I think you need other trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SneakySecrets on February 26, 2019, 08:35:53 PM
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Can someone tell me why Venture doesn’t make a 8.25” truck?
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Not enough people ride venture yet for them to diversify

Goto the park and you’ll see 90% of the park is team Indy or thunder

But you say royal and Destructo and other companies as trashy as silver make an 8.25 truck?

That’s cause they’re probably able to sell world wide and break even on sales, idk ventures are cool but from my experience it so refreshing to step back on better turning trucks when you’ve ridden ventures for a week or some

I guess that makes sense.  But wouldn’t they stand to potentially sell more by offering their trucks in a very popular size? 

They’re definitely not for everyone, but I grew up skating ventures so I have a soft spot for them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PatoDuck on February 27, 2019, 08:02:25 AM
No washers in both trucks, I like my front truck super wobbly and loose and my back medium for a stability thing. I don’t care to much about bushings. I figure the older the better?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on February 28, 2019, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: SneakySecrets on February 26, 2019, 08:35:53 PM
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Can someone tell me why Venture doesn’t make a 8.25” truck?
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Not enough people ride venture yet for them to diversify

Goto the park and you’ll see 90% of the park is team Indy or thunder

But you say royal and Destructo and other companies as trashy as silver make an 8.25 truck?

That’s cause they’re probably able to sell world wide and break even on sales, idk ventures are cool but from my experience it so refreshing to step back on better turning trucks when you’ve ridden ventures for a week or some
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I guess that makes sense.  But wouldn’t they stand to potentially sell more by offering their trucks in a very popular size? 

They’re definitely not for everyone, but I grew up skating ventures so I have a soft spot for them.

True but you know it would only be us slap guys buying all the 8.25 ventures
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on February 28, 2019, 07:46:09 PM
Finally got Ace bushings in my krux, which marks the first time I've ever switched out bushings in 18 years of skating and holy shit wow can't believe what a huge difference it makes. I honestly have never had crooks in my entire life and I suddenly can do them clean at the ripe old age of 31. Aside from this my board feels poppier and has a lot more surf-feeling going on. Totally understand now why everyone is so OCD about truck set-ups.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on March 01, 2019, 08:07:11 AM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on February 28, 2019, 07:46:09 PM
Finally got Ace bushings in my krux, which marks the first time I've ever switched out bushings in 18 years of skating and holy shit wow can't believe what a huge difference it makes. I honestly have never had crooks in my entire life and I suddenly can do them clean at the ripe old age of 31. Aside from this my board feels poppier and has a lot more surf-feeling going on. Totally understand now why everyone is so OCD about truck set-ups.

Nice to see someone finally tried this. I have a feeling these will become the new standard once people try them, especially in Krux, but in everything really. Ace finally nailed the bushing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on March 01, 2019, 10:59:12 AM
Ace trucks and big dudes...

I just picked up some 66s yesterday and slapped them on a board. It snowed 2.5 feet here this week so I just stood on it in my garage. My 180 lbs turned to one side and the bottom bushing blew out of the board side washer on one turn.

This is not good.  I have heard great things about ace bushings but it seems I need something stiffer.

Suggestions?

Note - the same thing happened with my 8.5 Krux last fall.  After a couple attempts at finding good bushings I realized the trucks didn't turn anyway and they sit on my workbench.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 01, 2019, 11:28:27 AM
I found the whites crazy mushy in my 66's.....put in some black indys and they turn great...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: switchbs180 on March 01, 2019, 12:53:58 PM
Quote from: backinaction on March 01, 2019, 10:59:12 AM
Ace trucks and big dudes...

I just picked up some 66s yesterday and slapped them on a board. It snowed 2.5 feet here this week so I just stood on it in my garage. My 180 lbs turned to one side and the bottom bushing blew out of the board side washer on one turn.

This is not good.  I have heard great things about ace bushings but it seems I need something stiffer.

Suggestions?

Note - the same thing happened with my 8.5 Krux last fall.  After a couple attempts at finding good bushings I realized the trucks didn't turn anyway and they sit on my workbench.

I weigh about the same as you. have you tried barrel bushings? I use Indy 88a and never had problems.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on March 01, 2019, 01:19:12 PM
Quote from: switchbs180 on March 01, 2019, 12:53:58 PM
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Ace trucks and big dudes...

I just picked up some 66s yesterday and slapped them on a board. It snowed 2.5 feet here this week so I just stood on it in my garage. My 180 lbs turned to one side and the bottom bushing blew out of the board side washer on one turn.

This is not good.  I have heard great things about ace bushings but it seems I need something stiffer.

Suggestions?

Note - the same thing happened with my 8.5 Krux last fall.  After a couple attempts at finding good bushings I realized the trucks didn't turn anyway and they sit on my workbench.
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I weigh about the same as you. have you tried barrel bushings? I use Indy 88a and never had problems.

Do you mean the conical?  Barrel are the shape of the Ace ones.  The only conicals I have used in the past are Bones - which I have both Medium and Hard sitting somewhere in one of the boxes in my garage.    I like Mediums in smaller trucks like 8, 8.38.   Seems like Hard may be appropriate for a truck this big.

So - Bones in Ace - bottom washer?  Yay, nay?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on March 01, 2019, 02:08:17 PM
I weigh about 200 yankish units, whatever those were, can’t remember. Around 95 kg though. I only have 44s and 55s but never encountered anything like that. I’ve actually found the stock Ace bushings to be horribly hard until broken in over several weeks of turning heavily. No lame ass cruising and chilling allowed. Tight turns and sketchy landings galore!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 01, 2019, 05:42:49 PM
New stock/aftermarket Ace bushings are definitely too soft for me as well. The durometers tell it all, 80something bottom and only like a 90a top. I weigh 210lbs, flop to wheelbite almost instantly on them. The Stage 2 Ace bushings were hard as a rock. Keeping the stock rock bottom with a softer Krux top works the best. I tried the cylinder Indy 94a black ones and they turned weird.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 01, 2019, 11:10:34 PM
I'm a buck forty but one of those guys that insists he rides 'medium' trucks....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 02, 2019, 05:03:16 AM
On the topic of Ace trucks, has anyone hammered in a hollow kingpin that isn’t a krux? Which ones fit? Indy? Thunder? Destructo?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on March 02, 2019, 07:53:52 AM
Quote from: software on March 02, 2019, 07:37:32 AM
I want to downsize and need to change trucks. I've been skating 149s for a long time and want to try something else. The candidates are venture, krux or ace. I will eventually get them all I suppose but what should I get first? Ventures are stable and extend the wheelbase while ace very surfy and make the wheelbase shorter. What about krux? Are they the middle ground, more similar to Indy?
The ace range is nice at 8.3. Allows alot of room for switching it up if you end up regretting your downsizing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Htownlegend on March 02, 2019, 08:02:24 AM
Thunder 147's, usually skate the Hollow Lights. Replace bushings with bones medium and discard the 2 washers on each truck. Then torque the bushing bolt down to where its flush with kingpin. This is how I setup trucks always and they feel absolutely perfect
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 02, 2019, 08:04:34 AM
Quote from: software on March 02, 2019, 07:37:32 AM
I want to downsize and need to change trucks. I've been skating 149s for a long time and want to try something else. The candidates are venture, krux or ace. I will eventually get them all I suppose but what should I get first? Ventures are stable and extend the wheelbase while ace very surfy and make the wheelbase shorter. What about krux? Are they the middle ground, more similar to Indy?

I plug venture. Here’s the logic: sizing down? 5.25 ventures ride bigger than any of the trucks you mentioned. For me they are the most similar to Indy in how they pop. I don’t like krux. At all. Ace are sick, but ride pretty small, super fun tho. Lots of turn
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on March 02, 2019, 08:04:38 AM
Quote from: Htownlegend on March 02, 2019, 08:02:24 AM
Thunder 147's, usually skate the Hollow Lights. Replace bushings with bones medium and discard the 2 washers on each truck. Then torque the bushing bolt down to where its flush with kingpin. This is how I setup trucks always and they feel absolutely perfect
But without the bottom washer you are messing with the Geo in your thunders putting stress on the kingpin and plastic inner core don't your bones medium begin to creak and your pivot cups? Or am I completely crazy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Htownlegend on March 02, 2019, 08:45:44 AM
Quote from: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on March 02, 2019, 08:04:38 AM
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Thunder 147's, usually skate the Hollow Lights. Replace bushings with bones medium and discard the 2 washers on each truck. Then torque the bushing bolt down to where its flush with kingpin. This is how I setup trucks always and they feel absolutely perfect
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But without the bottom washer you are messing with the Geo in your thunders putting stress on the kingpin and plastic inner core don't your bones medium begin to creak and your pivot cups? Or am I completely crazy.

The only problems I've experienced with this set up is the bushings do eventually crack and tear apart. But it takes along time for that to happen, and I'm not even sure if the washers being there would stop it from happening.

Creaking seems to mostly happen in the pivot cup , at least in my experience, and I usually put a little coating of wax in it to quiet it down.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 02, 2019, 09:25:40 AM
Quote from: SneakySecrets on February 26, 2019, 08:06:04 PM
Can someone tell me why Venture doesn’t make a 8.25” truck? 

Someone on their insta asked what size they should use for an 8.25 and Venture responded with 5.2 & 5.8. I guess they figure that’s good enough? I’m tempted to try some 5.2 Ti’s on an 8.25 for my next setup but that’ll probably be a month or so away
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on March 02, 2019, 02:09:27 PM
5.25 & 8.25? I wouldn’t....

Go by axle width instead. Axle length .25” over deck width to bring standard street wheels flush with the deck edge is the formula I go on.

Me - 8” axle on 5.25, deck 7.75 = perfect.
Nosneb (above) 8.5” axle on 5.8, deck 8.25 = this fits too, see?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SneakySecrets on March 02, 2019, 02:36:26 PM
Quote from: drinny on March 02, 2019, 02:09:27 PM
5.25 & 8.25? I wouldn’t....

Go by axle width instead. Axle length .25” over deck width to bring standard street wheels flush with the deck edge is the formula I go on.

Me - 8” axle on 5.25, deck 7.75 = perfect.
Nosneb (above) 8.5” axle on 5.8, deck 8.25 = this fits too, see?

I may try this, but don’t expect me to like it cucumbers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hangontoyourego on March 02, 2019, 02:55:41 PM
here’s a 8.38 krooked with 5.8 ventures they fit  perfect . hope this helps .
(https://i.postimg.cc/CLhb3PTj/1-B59-F600-F549-49-F1-9832-86-DBBE3-E10-D1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4n0Kt13d)
(https://i.postimg.cc/nVBty2Yc/47-B86-BFC-6-A89-4-D28-AE03-90-E9-A2-FF1-B26.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vDYj9WNp)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Larry Dallas on March 02, 2019, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: drinny on March 02, 2019, 02:09:27 PM
5.25 & 8.25? I wouldn’t....

Go by axle width instead. Axle length .25” over deck width to bring standard street wheels flush with the deck edge is the formula I go on.

Me - 8” axle on 5.25, deck 7.75 = perfect.
Nosneb (above) 8.5” axle on 5.8, deck 8.25 = this fits too, see?
Formula... It's all preference.  I hate having my axles stick out, so I would just buy thunder 148s until Venture gets off their ass and makes a 5.5.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 02, 2019, 03:50:46 PM
5.8 on an 8.38 works fine, I’ve skated that combo for years. I wanna know what that 5.2/8.25 is like. I know the axel length is a lil short, but it can’t be too bad right?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hangontoyourego on March 02, 2019, 04:36:06 PM
oh gotcha .
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on March 02, 2019, 10:47:53 PM
I like the extra grind space and how a slightly smaller board give the bigger trucks leverage in the way I do certain grinds.
I currently ride 2 setups. 7.5 deck with venture low 5.2 trucks and 8.25 deck with venture hi 5.8

(http://i67.tinypic.com/4zvi53.jpg)

Here is a pic of my 7.5 setup. I got this deck used in pretty good condition the previous owner used 7.5 trucks you can see the wheelbite marks vs my wheelbite marks from my 8 trucks 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: subparcurbslapper on March 03, 2019, 11:18:15 AM
I'm with nosneb on this one too, nothing wrong with a little extra axle. I had a homie who ran 169s on his 8.5 for a bit n he was a fan.
Not saying I would necessarily go that extreme, but I definitely prefer my trucks to be a little wider than the board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 03, 2019, 01:18:02 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on March 02, 2019, 03:50:46 PM
5.8 on an 8.38 works fine, I’ve skated that combo for years. I wanna know what that 5.2/8.25 is like. I know the axel length is a lil short, but it can’t be too bad right?

It’s not bad. Throw a few extra speed rings on hanger side. It’s far less of a difference than you might think. I like the way bigger trucks look, and for some tricks they help, narrower trucks turn faster and you can get more scoop
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 03, 2019, 01:26:01 PM
Quote from: hangontoyourego on March 02, 2019, 02:55:41 PM
here’s a 8.38 krooked with 5.8 ventures they fit  perfect . hope this helps .
(https://i.postimg.cc/CLhb3PTj/1-B59-F600-F549-49-F1-9832-86-DBBE3-E10-D1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4n0Kt13d)
(https://i.postimg.cc/nVBty2Yc/47-B86-BFC-6-A89-4-D28-AE03-90-E9-A2-FF1-B26.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vDYj9WNp)

These look dope....I want the sweatshirt
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Hypnotoad on March 03, 2019, 08:41:17 PM
Are Indy lows gone forever?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Elderly Gentleman on March 04, 2019, 11:05:46 AM
I've got a setup question.  I'm currently running Mini Logo 8.38 trucks and I usually run them medium to kind of tight.  I want them to turn decent but definitely no floppy or loose.  I'm currently running bones mediums in them but I was wanting to loosen up a bit but I'm still wanting to try to keep wheelbite as minimal as possible without resorting to super tiny wheels (running 53's right now and I'm using small risers).   I'm thinking of putting in one Bones soft bushing and one medium.  My question is, would it be better to have the soft one on the top or bottom?  I'd like better turning but good snap back to center and maintain as much of the stability as possible.  I was thinking soft on top but I wanted opinions.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on March 04, 2019, 11:16:47 AM
Quote from: Elderly Gentleman on March 04, 2019, 11:05:46 AM
I've got a setup question.  I'm currently running Mini Logo 8.38 trucks ...

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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 04, 2019, 11:33:03 AM
Quote from: art hellman on March 04, 2019, 11:16:47 AM
Quote from: Elderly Gentleman on March 04, 2019, 11:05:46 AM
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I've got a setup question.  I'm currently running Mini Logo 8.38 trucks ...
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Well deployed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 04, 2019, 11:37:03 AM
Quote from: Ok on March 04, 2019, 11:33:03 AM
Quote from: art hellman on March 04, 2019, 11:16:47 AM
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Quote from: Elderly Gentleman on March 04, 2019, 11:05:46 AM
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I've got a setup question.  I'm currently running Mini Logo 8.38 trucks ...
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Well deployed.

Soft bottom hard top is supposed to be best for a quicker snap back to center

Hard bottom and soft top (which I prefer) just puts some stability (harder bottom) with the ability to turn (soft top).

What I found with using bones this way is that a soft bottom and hard top doesn't feel the way regular bushings setup this way, bones softs are just too soft, even out of the box.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Elderly Gentleman on March 04, 2019, 12:19:12 PM
Thanks.  I'll give it a shot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on March 04, 2019, 12:46:25 PM
Quote from: Elderly Gentleman on March 04, 2019, 11:05:46 AM
I've got a setup question.  I'm currently running Mini Logo 8.38 trucks and I usually run them medium to kind of tight.  I want them to turn decent but definitely no floppy or loose.  I'm currently running bones mediums in them but I was wanting to loosen up a bit but I'm still wanting to try to keep wheelbite as minimal as possible without resorting to super tiny wheels (running 53's right now and I'm using small risers).   I'm thinking of putting in one Bones soft bushing and one medium.  My question is, would it be better to have the soft one on the top or bottom?  I'd like better turning but good snap back to center and maintain as much of the stability as possible.  I was thinking soft on top but I wanted opinions.

Keep the Bones Medium.  Add RipTide pivot cups.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 04, 2019, 02:06:18 PM
Someone responding to comments on Ventures Insta is saying the 5.8 Ti’s are coming in the next drop. We’ll see 👀
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 04, 2019, 04:26:37 PM
Has anyone ever bent or broken their titanium axle truck, whether it be Thunder, Indy, Theeve, or any other brand I’m forgetting? Technically a titanium alloy isn’t as strong as an chromoly axle, yet people have bent and broken those a ton throughout skateboarding history.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 04, 2019, 05:23:52 PM
Quote from: Elderly Gentleman on March 04, 2019, 11:05:46 AM
I've got a setup question.  I'm currently running Mini Logo 8.38 trucks and I usually run them medium to kind of tight.  I want them to turn decent but definitely no floppy or loose.  I'm currently running bones mediums in them but I was wanting to loosen up a bit but I'm still wanting to try to keep wheelbite as minimal as possible without resorting to super tiny wheels (running 53's right now and I'm using small risers).   I'm thinking of putting in one Bones soft bushing and one medium.  My question is, would it be better to have the soft one on the top or bottom?  I'd like better turning but good snap back to center and maintain as much of the stability as possible.  I was thinking soft on top but I wanted opinions.

Last I heard on this thread if you want good center stability but turnability you do a stiffer roadside(small bushing) and a softer deckside cause the small bushing is what keeps you stable

I like and prefer the stock mini logo bushings cause they still turn but are more stable than bones

Quote from: Hypnotoad on March 03, 2019, 08:41:17 PM
Are Indy lows gone forever?

Also last I read on this thread cause I also enjoy Indy lows, supposedly they’re working on a new Indy low to be announced or released this year, I’m thinking they’re gonna basically be taller with better clearance than last, they’re gonna definitely be a competitor for thunder 147 basically, I’m betting same height as 147 - 49/50mm tall

Better kingpin clearance, closer to standard turning, and better lower center of gravity response for quicker pop and flip
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hangontoyourego on March 04, 2019, 07:49:15 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on March 04, 2019, 02:06:18 PM
Someone responding to comments on Ventures Insta is saying the 5.8 Ti’s are coming in the next drop. We’ll see 👀
thats bram the team manger .
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 05, 2019, 04:16:18 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 04, 2019, 04:26:37 PM
Has anyone ever bent or broken their titanium axle truck, whether it be Thunder, Indy, Theeve, or any other brand I’m forgetting? Technically a titanium alloy isn’t as strong as an chromoly axle, yet people have bent and broken those a ton throughout skateboarding history.

I'm sure it can be done but bending axles are usually a result of a poorly reinforced hangar.  This is why you saw it happen so often with the older Ace and Tensors
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: In A Jar on March 05, 2019, 06:23:02 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on March 04, 2019, 02:06:18 PM
Someone responding to comments on Ventures Insta is saying the 5.8 Ti’s are coming in the next drop. We’ll see 👀

So hyped on this news!!!!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Hypnotoad on March 05, 2019, 07:05:05 AM
Quote from: rob on March 04, 2019, 05:23:52 PM
Quote from: Hypnotoad on March 03, 2019, 08:41:17 PM
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Are Indy lows gone forever?
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Also last I read on this thread cause I also enjoy Indy lows, supposedly they’re working on a new Indy low to be announced or released this year, I’m thinking they’re gonna basically be taller with better clearance than last, they’re gonna definitely be a competitor for thunder 147 basically, I’m betting same height as 147 - 49/50mm tall

Better kingpin clearance, closer to standard turning, and better lower center of gravity response for quicker pop and flip

Thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 05, 2019, 07:32:13 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 05, 2019, 04:16:18 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 04, 2019, 04:26:37 PM
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Has anyone ever bent or broken their titanium axle truck, whether it be Thunder, Indy, Theeve, or any other brand I’m forgetting? Technically a titanium alloy isn’t as strong as an chromoly axle, yet people have bent and broken those a ton throughout skateboarding history.
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I'm sure it can be done but bending axles are usually a result of a poorly reinforced hangar.  This is why you saw it happen so often with the older Ace and Tensors

I’ve read people bending Stage 11’s, Thunders, Theeves, and more. So perhaps the grade of chromoly isn’t consistent? Pretty sure it’s all coming from China.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tony_margera on March 05, 2019, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on December 20, 2015, 06:50:08 AM
get indys


Im curious about how you guys set your trucks up, special methods, preferences and all that nerdy stuff.
 
Here's mine:
Thunder 147's riding 8.1-825 and 54 wheels
-replacement 100a Thunder bushings
-Bottom washers left out
-Front truck Flush( edit:perhaps the smallest tad under now) with some wobble
-Back truck 1-2 threads showing edit: correction, back truck is now barely over flush, loosened it when It got colder
-risers

Seriously can't complain about this set-up in anyway, for me its perfect, loose up front for quick turns and tighter in back stabilises on landings and at high speeds. The hard bushing and loose front works really well for me, best of both worlds.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 06, 2019, 02:03:21 AM
Quote from: tony_margera on March 05, 2019, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on December 20, 2015, 06:50:08 AM
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get indys


Im curious about how you guys set your trucks up, special methods, preferences and all that nerdy stuff.
 
Here's mine:
Thunder 147's riding 8.1-825 and 54 wheels
-replacement 100a Thunder bushings
-Bottom washers left out
-Front truck Flush( edit:perhaps the smallest tad under now) with some wobble
-Back truck 1-2 threads showing edit: correction, back truck is now barely over flush, loosened it when It got colder
-risers

Seriously can't complain about this set-up in anyway, for me its perfect, loose up front for quick turns and tighter in back stabilises on landings and at high speeds. The hard bushing and loose front works really well for me, best of both worlds.
[close]

All my trucks(except theeve) I keep stock bushings

And I tighten them around perfect flush or a thread or 2 past, I like the way the trucks are stock

I use to try and mess with my bushings and thinner or thicker washers and barrel vs cone shape but in the end it just furthers my madness so just keep it as it came from the factory cause in reality

The pros that rip the hardest don’t do anything but tighten or loosen their trucks out the box(and or occasionally swap out for bones cause they’re still following the gimmick bones bushings are the best cause they’re broken in right out the gate)

I loved messing with my trucks back then and finding that Goldilocks setup that made the trucks special but I think it was only special in helping me be better at one area like flip tricks or cruising cause yeah I could do all my flip tricks using barrel bushings vs cone but turning was a nightmare

So I keep the trucks as they came and oddly enough it always works best, Love the 90a stock thunder bushings in thunders, soft enough you can get a decent turn but stiff and shaped well to help bounce back to center and pop tricks better
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on March 06, 2019, 03:12:43 AM
literally just 149s with whatever the stock blue bushings are, not saying there's no merit to having a fiddle and finding a good combo but i've seen a lot of people waste a lot of time fucking around with combos that generally feel like shit when for the most part you can break thunders stock bushings in very quickly and theyll be fine. worst feeling one was when this kid i know blew out a bushing from cranking his nut down way too tight, went to some cycle store and bought some black indy bushings. shit felt horrible.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 06, 2019, 03:39:31 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on March 06, 2019, 03:12:43 AM
literally just 149s with whatever the stock blue bushings are, not saying there's no merit to having a fiddle and finding a good combo but i've seen a lot of people waste a lot of time fucking around with combos that generally feel like shit when for the most part you can break thunders stock bushings in very quickly and theyll be fine. worst feeling one was when this kid i know blew out a bushing from cranking his nut down way too tight, went to some cycle store and bought some black indy bushings. shit felt horrible.

Haha funny thing about that story, my friend who rides his trucks fairly loose but rips hard tore his bushings up and had to get a new set ASAP and the only Indy bushings they had stocked were the only ones no one ever buys which was the 96a black conical hard ones for Indy lows, since they were lows he didn’t have to really go under flush to have them loose but man his trucks were now like a horrible loose

The bushings were stiff but his trucks weren’t tightened properly cause he likes loose so they were just wobbly stiff trucks

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 06, 2019, 10:56:40 AM
Quote from: rob on March 06, 2019, 02:03:21 AM
Quote from: tony_margera on March 05, 2019, 09:51:19 AM
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Quote from: perverted super otaku! on December 20, 2015, 06:50:08 AM
Expand Quote
get indys


Im curious about how you guys set your trucks up, special methods, preferences and all that nerdy stuff.
 
Here's mine:
Thunder 147's riding 8.1-825 and 54 wheels
-replacement 100a Thunder bushings
-Bottom washers left out
-Front truck Flush( edit:perhaps the smallest tad under now) with some wobble
-Back truck 1-2 threads showing edit: correction, back truck is now barely over flush, loosened it when It got colder
-risers

Seriously can't complain about this set-up in anyway, for me its perfect, loose up front for quick turns and tighter in back stabilises on landings and at high speeds. The hard bushing and loose front works really well for me, best of both worlds.
[close]
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All my trucks(except theeve) I keep stock bushings

And I tighten them around perfect flush or a thread or 2 past, I like the way the trucks are stock

I use to try and mess with my bushings and thinner or thicker washers and barrel vs cone shape but in the end it just furthers my madness so just keep it as it came from the factory cause in reality

The pros that rip the hardest don’t do anything but tighten or loosen their trucks out the box(and or occasionally swap out for bones cause they’re still following the gimmick bones bushings are the best cause they’re broken in right out the gate)

I loved messing with my trucks back then and finding that Goldilocks setup that made the trucks special but I think it was only special in helping me be better at one area like flip tricks or cruising cause yeah I could do all my flip tricks using barrel bushings vs cone but turning was a nightmare

So I keep the trucks as they came and oddly enough it always works best, Love the 90a stock thunder bushings in thunders, soft enough you can get a decent turn but stiff and shaped well to help bounce back to center and pop tricks better

Tony: you are a g for skating somewhat loose 147s with 54s. 52 is too much for me with those trucks.

Rob: agreed. Stock bushings. At least for the venture, ace, Indy (and occasionally thunder), the stock always EVENTUALLY end up being the best. It’s cold and so I’ve been cheating and putting bones in my ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on March 08, 2019, 01:40:37 AM
Quote from: rob on March 06, 2019, 03:39:31 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on March 06, 2019, 03:12:43 AM
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literally just 149s with whatever the stock blue bushings are, not saying there's no merit to having a fiddle and finding a good combo but i've seen a lot of people waste a lot of time fucking around with combos that generally feel like shit when for the most part you can break thunders stock bushings in very quickly and theyll be fine. worst feeling one was when this kid i know blew out a bushing from cranking his nut down way too tight, went to some cycle store and bought some black indy bushings. shit felt horrible.
[close]

Haha funny thing about that story, my friend who rides his trucks fairly loose but rips hard tore his bushings up and had to get a new set ASAP and the only Indy bushings they had stocked were the only ones no one ever buys which was the 96a black conical hard ones for Indy lows, since they were lows he didn’t have to really go under flush to have them loose but man his trucks were now like a horrible loose

The bushings were stiff but his trucks weren’t tightened properly cause he likes loose so they were just wobbly stiff trucks

i dont recall the exact durometers etc but i remember he tried to stick them in 147 thunders and the bushings were way too high for them so it ended up exactly like you described; wobbly stiff trucks - they'd start to turn and wobble all over the place but once it hit the actual bushing it was as solid as a rock. fucked up for sure.

cheers for the advice on aces in the other thread, i think im gonna grab a set.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on March 09, 2019, 02:33:56 AM
indy 169 60mm wheels 1/2 inch risers
indy 90a conical standard
bones flat washer on bottom
no top washer
both trucks flush
stock pivot cups with lots of lubricant

they basically feel like ACE. i think the most crucial point is to stick with the stock pivot cups/don't get indy aftermarket ones.with the exact same setup, the after market ones have a lot of up down/side to side play compared to stock and i feel like this is making the turn inconsistent and could also explain the creaking/bulging specific to aftermarket ones. i haven't had stock ones crack ever, probably because i lube it before that happens, and the correct geometry probably helps. they're really not as bad as everyone thinks, certainly not bad enough to spend half of what a board costs on replacements.
 also, i've been thinking of trying indy conical low bushings on my standard trucks to make them looser. has anybody tried that? is there anything i need to know? are they a different formula? do they fuck up the geometry?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 09, 2019, 08:06:16 PM
Quote from: I AM on March 09, 2019, 02:33:56 AM
indy 169 60mm wheels 1/2 inch risers
indy 90a conical standard
bones flat washer on bottom
no top washer
both trucks flush
stock pivot cups with lots of lubricant

they basically feel like ACE. i think the most crucial point is to stick with the stock pivot cups/don't get indy aftermarket ones.with the exact same setup, the after market ones have a lot of up down/side to side play compared to stock and i feel like this is making the turn inconsistent and could also explain the creaking/bulging specific to aftermarket ones. i haven't had stock ones crack ever, probably because i lube it before that happens, and the correct geometry probably helps. they're really not as bad as everyone thinks, certainly not bad enough to spend half of what a board costs on replacements.
 also, i've been thinking of trying indy conical low bushings on my standard trucks to make them looser. has anybody tried that? is there anything i need to know? are they a different formula? do they fuck up the geometry?

Lows on standards won’t work

Yeah the geo will be a bit off cause the small top bushing is shorter so your gonna have to crank it down more
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on March 09, 2019, 11:25:46 PM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on March 06, 2019, 03:12:43 AM
literally just 149s with whatever the stock blue bushings are, not saying there's no merit to having a fiddle and finding a good combo but i've seen a lot of people waste a lot of time fucking around with combos that generally feel like shit when for the most part you can break thunders stock bushings in very quickly and theyll be fine. worst feeling one was when this kid i know blew out a bushing from cranking his nut down way too tight, went to some cycle store and bought some black indy bushings. shit felt horrible.
Thunder makes the best stock bushings. all I did to mine was switch pivot cups
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on March 09, 2019, 11:54:16 PM
I dunno this is my most out there setup but it's fun as fuck. Tensor mag lights with venture bushings bones top washer venture bottom washer
(https://i.postimg.cc/sX9MK6qQ/IMG-20190309-235210.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZBnY5cT4)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on March 10, 2019, 03:26:06 AM
Quote from: rob on March 09, 2019, 08:06:16 PM
Quote from: I AM on March 09, 2019, 02:33:56 AM
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indy 169 60mm wheels 1/2 inch risers
indy 90a conical standard
bones flat washer on bottom
no top washer
both trucks flush
stock pivot cups with lots of lubricant

they basically feel like ACE. i think the most crucial point is to stick with the stock pivot cups/don't get indy aftermarket ones.with the exact same setup, the after market ones have a lot of up down/side to side play compared to stock and i feel like this is making the turn inconsistent and could also explain the creaking/bulging specific to aftermarket ones. i haven't had stock ones crack ever, probably because i lube it before that happens, and the correct geometry probably helps. they're really not as bad as everyone thinks, certainly not bad enough to spend half of what a board costs on replacements.
 also, i've been thinking of trying indy conical low bushings on my standard trucks to make them looser. has anybody tried that? is there anything i need to know? are they a different formula? do they fuck up the geometry?
[close]

Lows on standards won’t work

Yeah the geo will be a bit off cause the small top bushing is shorter so your gonna have to crank it down more
i thought the only thing that mattered for a correct geometry was bottom bushings. and i'm trying to get my trucks looser, so obviously i won't mind a bit of thread space. have you actually tried it before?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on March 10, 2019, 03:46:36 AM
Quote from: backinaction on March 01, 2019, 10:59:12 AM
Ace trucks and big dudes...

I just picked up some 66s yesterday and slapped them on a board. It snowed 2.5 feet here this week so I just stood on it in my garage. My 180 lbs turned to one side and the bottom bushing blew out of the board side washer on one turn.

This is not good.  I have heard great things about ace bushings but it seems I need something stiffer.

Suggestions?

Note - the same thing happened with my 8.5 Krux last fall.  After a couple attempts at finding good bushings I realized the trucks didn't turn anyway and they sit on my workbench.
the problem seems to be the bushing not properly fitting in the washer, not them being too soft. both top and bottom ace bushings have this problem, i've also found that indy aftermarket barrels have the same issue with the bottom washer that comes with them, and i don't see it being discussed nearly enough. i would suggest getting flat washers for barrel bottoms. i think khiro makes them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 11, 2019, 01:49:27 AM
Quote from: I AM on March 10, 2019, 03:26:06 AM
Quote from: rob on March 09, 2019, 08:06:16 PM
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Quote from: I AM on March 09, 2019, 02:33:56 AM
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indy 169 60mm wheels 1/2 inch risers
indy 90a conical standard
bones flat washer on bottom
no top washer
both trucks flush
stock pivot cups with lots of lubricant

they basically feel like ACE. i think the most crucial point is to stick with the stock pivot cups/don't get indy aftermarket ones.with the exact same setup, the after market ones have a lot of up down/side to side play compared to stock and i feel like this is making the turn inconsistent and could also explain the creaking/bulging specific to aftermarket ones. i haven't had stock ones crack ever, probably because i lube it before that happens, and the correct geometry probably helps. they're really not as bad as everyone thinks, certainly not bad enough to spend half of what a board costs on replacements.
 also, i've been thinking of trying indy conical low bushings on my standard trucks to make them looser. has anybody tried that? is there anything i need to know? are they a different formula? do they fuck up the geometry?
[close]

Lows on standards won’t work

Yeah the geo will be a bit off cause the small top bushing is shorter so your gonna have to crank it down more
[close]
i thought the only thing that mattered for a correct geometry was bottom bushings. and i'm trying to get my trucks looser, so obviously i won't mind a bit of thread space. have you actually tried it before?

Yeah the bottom bushing is what matters most but having a shorter top means less material= less resistance and rebound

I’ve tried it and yes it was super loose and I think the top washer would dig into the hangar cavity and the trucks felt super wheel bite
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 11, 2019, 11:40:04 AM
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on March 11, 2019, 11:52:17 AM
This is beautiful. Xen did you make that? Are you Stephen chick? With your technical prowess and rob's marketability you guys could fucking change the world. No more bullshit ass washers coming stock and no shitty ass small chain polymer bushings we want some Binomial pairs too doh doh get your shit together. That's actually an amazing infographic though I saved it in my journal of really. Important things.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: front3 on March 11, 2019, 01:33:21 PM
I bought a pair of standard Indy 144s over the weekend. Tried them today and I will never go back to my thunder hollow lights. Even though the truck is higher it feels way easier to pop... They made me feel more comfortable on an 8.25 then the thunders did... They are way more fun to cruise around on... and no wheelbite the entire day! Didn't do any grinds or slides so I can't comment on that. Really hyped on these and surprised at what a difference they made.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Daniel on March 11, 2019, 02:37:52 PM
That graph is amazing. I've been trying to mess around with bushing/durometer/ shape and washer combos with both ace and Indy to have a decent turn. I love Indy QC but love ace turn more and love both truck's geo a lot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 11, 2019, 09:06:51 PM
Quote from: Daniel on March 11, 2019, 02:37:52 PM
That graph is amazing. I've been trying to mess around with bushing/durometer/ shape and washer combos with both ace and Indy to have a decent turn. I love Indy QC but love ace turn more and love both truck's geo a lot.

I've found great success with 149 TI Indys with the new ace low bushings, regular indy bottom washer (I think it's an after market one as the shape is less flanged) and bones top washer; it gets them a bit squirrlier than normal so they don't feel as sluggish compared to ACE. If ACE hollowed up it's all I'd ride. Board weight has messed with me since the 80s, my crew and I ALWAYS tried to make the lightest setup we could and it's stuck with me ever since.

I want to size down to TI 144s and call it day as the Indy 149s are just too beastly, TI or not.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: roba on March 12, 2019, 07:49:46 AM
http://www.instagram.com/p/Bu6X0aDlyDE/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ocq77maa52bq
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 12, 2019, 08:08:32 AM
Was just about to post that. Bushing setup is interesting but goddamn that baseplate is ugly af. I wonder what the turn/geo feels like
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Daniel on March 12, 2019, 10:37:19 AM
Quote from: Xen on March 11, 2019, 09:06:51 PM
Quote from: Daniel on March 11, 2019, 02:37:52 PM
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That graph is amazing. I've been trying to mess around with bushing/durometer/ shape and washer combos with both ace and Indy to have a decent turn. I love Indy QC but love ace turn more and love both truck's geo a lot.
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I've found great success with 149 TI Indys with the new ace low bushings, regular indy bottom washer (I think it's an after market one as the shape is less flanged) and bones top washer; it gets them a bit squirrlier than normal so they don't feel as sluggish compared to ACE. If ACE hollowed up it's all I'd ride. Board weight has messed with me since the 80s, my crew and I ALWAYS tried to make the lightest setup we could and it's stuck with me ever since.

I want to size down to TI 144s and call it day as the Indy 149s are just too beastly, TI or not.

I just can't get over the forged baseplate height and build quality. Last couple forged plates I ran had ovaled out fast. A hollow ace would be the dream but I would be worried about QC given the past issues already... Does the ace Lo bushing setup work on cast plate 55mm Indy?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 12, 2019, 12:54:46 PM
Quote from: Daniel on March 12, 2019, 10:37:19 AM
Quote from: Xen on March 11, 2019, 09:06:51 PM
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Quote from: Daniel on March 11, 2019, 02:37:52 PM
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That graph is amazing. I've been trying to mess around with bushing/durometer/ shape and washer combos with both ace and Indy to have a decent turn. I love Indy QC but love ace turn more and love both truck's geo a lot.
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I've found great success with 149 TI Indys with the new ace low bushings, regular indy bottom washer (I think it's an after market one as the shape is less flanged) and bones top washer; it gets them a bit squirrlier than normal so they don't feel as sluggish compared to ACE. If ACE hollowed up it's all I'd ride. Board weight has messed with me since the 80s, my crew and I ALWAYS tried to make the lightest setup we could and it's stuck with me ever since.

I want to size down to TI 144s and call it day as the Indy 149s are just too beastly, TI or not.
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I just can't get over the forged baseplate height and build quality. Last couple forged plates I ran had ovaled out fast. A hollow ace would be the dream but I would be worried about QC given the past issues already... Does the ace Lo bushing setup work on cast plate 55mm Indy?

I've not tried them with the cast plates as I prefer the forged height/weight and feel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on March 12, 2019, 01:17:34 PM
Quote from: Daniel on March 12, 2019, 10:37:19 AM
Does the ace Lo bushing setup work on cast plate 55mm Indy?
Yes, it does - it feels kinda like if you took an aftermarket indy orange (roadside) with a red (boardside.)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 12, 2019, 03:52:44 PM
Quote from: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on March 11, 2019, 11:52:17 AM
This is beautiful. Xen did you make that? Are you Stephen chick? With your technical prowess and rob's marketability you guys could fucking change the world. No more bullshit ass washers coming stock and no shitty ass small chain polymer bushings we want some Binomial pairs too doh doh get your shit together. That's actually an amazing infographic though I saved it in my journal of really. Important things.

Thanks man! Yeah I would do a parody video of the bushings like the ricta wheels where I have a computer generated 3-d model video showing off the way the bushings perform, check out nhs showing off I think it was the slicks getting all technical

But I would love to start a bushing Buisness with j soy, sadly I’m not an material engineer to know enough about such compounds to concoct the perfect aftermarket bushings for my slap pals, I only know what would be demanded, how much rebound and give and what color is most desirable

Quote from: roba on March 12, 2019, 07:49:46 AM
http://www.instagram.com/p/Bu6X0aDlyDE/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ocq77maa52bq

Those look cool! Kinda Walmart and that top/roadside bushing looks questionable with the metal bones insert thing but overall they look solid
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Larry Dallas on March 12, 2019, 09:27:32 PM
None of you fuckers called them roadside until you saw that infographic  ;D.

I kind of want indys. Just standard, heavy, tall 139s. Maybe 144s. I don’t know why. I haven’t even skated in like a month.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on March 12, 2019, 11:47:07 PM
Quote from: rob on March 12, 2019, 03:52:44 PM
Quote from: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on March 11, 2019, 11:52:17 AM
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This is beautiful. Xen did you make that? Are you Stephen chick? With your technical prowess and rob's marketability you guys could fucking change the world. No more bullshit ass washers coming stock and no shitty ass small chain polymer bushings we want some Binomial pairs too doh doh get your shit together. That's actually an amazing infographic though I saved it in my journal of really. Important things.
[close]

Thanks man! Yeah I would do a parody video of the bushings like the ricta wheels where I have a computer generated 3-d model video showing off the way the bushings perform, check out nhs showing off I think it was the slicks getting all technical

But I would love to start a bushing Buisness with j soy, sadly I’m not an material engineer to know enough about such compounds to concoct the perfect aftermarket bushings for my slap pals, I only know what would be demanded, how much rebound and give and what color is most desirable

Quote from: roba on March 12, 2019, 07:49:46 AM
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http://www.instagram.com/p/Bu6X0aDlyDE/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ocq77maa52bq
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Those look cool! Kinda Walmart and that top/roadside bushing looks questionable with the metal bones insert thing but overall they look solid
Which color is most desirable? Least amount of dye? I wanna go down this rabbit hole
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on March 13, 2019, 02:25:28 AM
If they're serious about a comeback they should do something about their website...

https://shop.grindking.com/

Termite!!!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 13, 2019, 05:44:53 AM
Well from my experience and everyone on this board

White/solid colors for lean and turn

Clear translucent for rebound and response
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 13, 2019, 11:13:43 AM
Quote from: Firebert on March 12, 2019, 01:17:34 PM
Quote from: Daniel on March 12, 2019, 10:37:19 AM
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Does the ace Lo bushing setup work on cast plate 55mm Indy?
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Yes, it does - it feels kinda like if you took an aftermarket indy orange (roadside) with a red (board side.)

I tried this with the worn in aftermarkets, just didn't feel as good, totally acceptable, but not as good/loosey goosey as with the ACEs.

As they're only a couple of duros off from each other this could be the quality/type of thane but also the height as the aftermarket indy tops are taller than stock indy tops (and the aftermarket bottoms are lower than the stocks...The ACE low bushings are closer to the aftermarket bottoms and stock indy tops :P

/bushing madness
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on March 13, 2019, 11:52:36 AM
Quote from: Xen on March 13, 2019, 11:13:43 AM
Quote from: Firebert on March 12, 2019, 01:17:34 PM
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Quote from: Daniel on March 12, 2019, 10:37:19 AM
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Does the ace Lo bushing setup work on cast plate 55mm Indy?
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Yes, it does - it feels kinda like if you took an aftermarket indy orange (roadside) with a red (board side.)
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I tried this with the worn in aftermarkets, just didn't feel as good, totally acceptable, but not as good/loosey goosey as with the ACEs.

As they're only a couple of duros off from each other this could be the quality/type of thane but also the height as the aftermarket indy tops are taller than stock indy tops (and the aftermarket bottoms are lower than the stocks...The ACE low bushings are closer to the aftermarket bottoms and stock indy tops :P

/bushing madness
this is incorrect. aftermarket indy tops are 10mm while stock is 11mm. indy aftermarket barrel and stock bottoms are both 13mm while ace low bottoms are 12mm. aftermarket conical bottoms are 14mm, same as ace standard bottoms. the 90a indy conicals are the closest feel to aces in my experience, mostly because of the superior rebound compared to other duros.

Quote from: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on March 12, 2019, 11:47:07 PM
Quote from: rob on March 12, 2019, 03:52:44 PM
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Quote from: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on March 11, 2019, 11:52:17 AM
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This is beautiful. Xen did you make that? Are you Stephen chick? With your technical prowess and rob's marketability you guys could fucking change the world. No more bullshit ass washers coming stock and no shitty ass small chain polymer bushings we want some Binomial pairs too doh doh get your shit together. That's actually an amazing infographic though I saved it in my journal of really. Important things.
[close]

Thanks man! Yeah I would do a parody video of the bushings like the ricta wheels where I have a computer generated 3-d model video showing off the way the bushings perform, check out nhs showing off I think it was the slicks getting all technical

But I would love to start a bushing Buisness with j soy, sadly I’m not an material engineer to know enough about such compounds to concoct the perfect aftermarket bushings for my slap pals, I only know what would be demanded, how much rebound and give and what color is most desirable

Quote from: roba on March 12, 2019, 07:49:46 AM
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http://www.instagram.com/p/Bu6X0aDlyDE/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ocq77maa52bq
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Those look cool! Kinda Walmart and that top/roadside bushing looks questionable with the metal bones insert thing but overall they look solid
[close]
Which color is most desirable? Least amount of dye? I wanna go down this rabbit hole
while i think the idea of knowing how loose someone rides their trucks just by looking at the color of their bushings is neat, it would be nice to just have white bushings for every duro for aesthetical reasons.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Shuh on March 14, 2019, 02:54:45 AM
I considering a new truck, i wanna know what the slappals consensus on forged baseplates no matter what brand. Good or bad? Or watever
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on March 14, 2019, 03:48:21 AM
Quote from: I AM on March 13, 2019, 11:52:36 AM
Quote from: Xen on March 13, 2019, 11:13:43 AM
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Quote from: Firebert on March 12, 2019, 01:17:34 PM
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Quote from: Daniel on March 12, 2019, 10:37:19 AM
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Does the ace Lo bushing setup work on cast plate 55mm Indy?
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Yes, it does - it feels kinda like if you took an aftermarket indy orange (roadside) with a red (board side.)
[close]

I tried this with the worn in aftermarkets, just didn't feel as good, totally acceptable, but not as good/loosey goosey as with the ACEs.

As they're only a couple of duros off from each other this could be the quality/type of thane but also the height as the aftermarket indy tops are taller than stock indy tops (and the aftermarket bottoms are lower than the stocks...The ACE low bushings are closer to the aftermarket bottoms and stock indy tops :P

/bushing madness
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this is incorrect. aftermarket indy tops are 10mm while stock is 11mm. indy aftermarket barrel and stock bottoms are both 13mm while ace low bottoms are 12mm. aftermarket conical bottoms are 14mm, same as ace standard bottoms. the 90a indy conicals are the closest feel to aces in my experience, mostly because of the superior rebound compared to other duros.

Quote from: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on March 12, 2019, 11:47:07 PM
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Quote from: rob on March 12, 2019, 03:52:44 PM
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Quote from: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on March 11, 2019, 11:52:17 AM
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This is beautiful. Xen did you make that? Are you Stephen chick? With your technical prowess and rob's marketability you guys could fucking change the world. No more bullshit ass washers coming stock and no shitty ass small chain polymer bushings we want some Binomial pairs too doh doh get your shit together. That's actually an amazing infographic though I saved it in my journal of really. Important things.
[close]

Thanks man! Yeah I would do a parody video of the bushings like the ricta wheels where I have a computer generated 3-d model video showing off the way the bushings perform, check out nhs showing off I think it was the slicks getting all technical

But I would love to start a bushing Buisness with j soy, sadly I’m not an material engineer to know enough about such compounds to concoct the perfect aftermarket bushings for my slap pals, I only know what would be demanded, how much rebound and give and what color is most desirable

Quote from: roba on March 12, 2019, 07:49:46 AM
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Those look cool! Kinda Walmart and that top/roadside bushing looks questionable with the metal bones insert thing but overall they look solid
[close]
Which color is most desirable? Least amount of dye? I wanna go down this rabbit hole
[close]
while i think the idea of knowing how loose someone rides their trucks just by looking at the color of their bushings is neat, it would be nice to just have white bushings for every duro for aesthetical reasons.

great idea until roba accidentally drops his bushings box
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Italianshredder96 on March 14, 2019, 04:30:22 AM
Quote from: Shuh on March 14, 2019, 02:54:45 AM
I considering a new truck, i wanna know what the slappals consensus on forged baseplates no matter what brand. Good or bad? Or watever
For me it's two things, difference in height and kinda hard landings (cast baseplates seem to be softer when landing). I personally don't like forged one mostly for the landings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Shuh on March 14, 2019, 05:07:47 AM
Quote from: Italianshredder96 on March 14, 2019, 04:30:22 AM
Quote from: Shuh on March 14, 2019, 02:54:45 AM
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I considering a new truck, i wanna know what the slappals consensus on forged baseplates no matter what brand. Good or bad? Or watever
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For me it's two things, difference in height and kinda hard landings (cast baseplates seem to be softer when landing). I personally don't like forged one mostly for the landings.

Interesting never thought about the hard landing stuff,
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on March 14, 2019, 08:06:13 AM
Quote from: Shuh on March 14, 2019, 02:54:45 AM
I considering a new truck, i wanna know what the slappals consensus on forged baseplates no matter what brand. Good or bad? Or watever
3 main advantages of forged:

Tricks that jam the hanger into the baseplate - like slappies
Lighter weight
Lower to the ground

Advantage of cast:

Softer metal somehow = better feel?
Less wheelbite
Krux kingpins can be added easily
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on March 14, 2019, 08:59:56 AM
I'm old and stuck in my ways. Forged BPs just don't look right to me, as if they set things off balance some how. Plus I'm heavy and ride loose trucks, so I want clearance. I like super basic trucks without an overt amount of features, colors etc... in saying that I am searching for some Thunder 151 Team hollows (cast BP) as I heard they've been discontinued...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 14, 2019, 09:28:10 AM
I'm perfectly happy right now with my 149 Indy titaniums on a longer WB setup and Venture 5.8 V-lights on a smaller WB setup and I can never let myself be happy so I ordered some of the new Tensor all terrain geometry trucks just to fuck my life up.

Will report back once I'm out of the self-imposed mental purgatory I've created for absolutely no reason
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 14, 2019, 12:57:50 PM
Quote from: I AM on March 13, 2019, 11:52:36 AM
Quote from: Xen on March 13, 2019, 11:13:43 AM
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Quote from: Firebert on March 12, 2019, 01:17:34 PM
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Quote from: Daniel on March 12, 2019, 10:37:19 AM
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Does the ace Lo bushing setup work on cast plate 55mm Indy?
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Yes, it does - it feels kinda like if you took an aftermarket indy orange (roadside) with a red (board side.)
[close]

I tried this with the worn in aftermarkets, just didn't feel as good, totally acceptable, but not as good/loosey goosey as with the ACEs.

As they're only a couple of duros off from each other this could be the quality/type of thane but also the height as the aftermarket indy tops are taller than stock indy tops (and the aftermarket bottoms are lower than the stocks...The ACE low bushings are closer to the aftermarket bottoms and stock indy tops :P

/bushing madness
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this is incorrect. aftermarket indy tops are 10mm while stock is 11mm. indy aftermarket barrel and stock bottoms are both 13mm while ace low bottoms are 12mm. aftermarket conical bottoms are 14mm, same as ace standard bottoms. the 90a indy conicals are the closest feel to aces in my experience, mostly because of the superior rebound compared to other duros.

Quote from: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on March 12, 2019, 11:47:07 PM
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Quote from: rob on March 12, 2019, 03:52:44 PM
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Quote from: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on March 11, 2019, 11:52:17 AM
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This is beautiful. Xen did you make that? Are you Stephen chick? With your technical prowess and rob's marketability you guys could fucking change the world. No more bullshit ass washers coming stock and no shitty ass small chain polymer bushings we want some Binomial pairs too doh doh get your shit together. That's actually an amazing infographic though I saved it in my journal of really. Important things.
[close]

Thanks man! Yeah I would do a parody video of the bushings like the ricta wheels where I have a computer generated 3-d model video showing off the way the bushings perform, check out nhs showing off I think it was the slicks getting all technical

But I would love to start a bushing Buisness with j soy, sadly I’m not an material engineer to know enough about such compounds to concoct the perfect aftermarket bushings for my slap pals, I only know what would be demanded, how much rebound and give and what color is most desirable

Quote from: roba on March 12, 2019, 07:49:46 AM
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http://www.instagram.com/p/Bu6X0aDlyDE/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ocq77maa52bq
[close]

Those look cool! Kinda Walmart and that top/roadside bushing looks questionable with the metal bones insert thing but overall they look solid
[close]
Which color is most desirable? Least amount of dye? I wanna go down this rabbit hole
[close]
while i think the idea of knowing how loose someone rides their trucks just by looking at the color of their bushings is neat, it would be nice to just have white bushings for every duro for aesthetical reasons.

Whoops, I was speaking about the conical aftermarkets not barrel; they've always been taller out of the box and aftermarket barrels have always been shorter for some reason (bottoms). In my experience.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on March 14, 2019, 03:57:13 PM
Are there any bushings that do not squeak in colder weather and fit standard Indy trucks? I bought Indy after market 88 and 90 conicals, but they both squeak. I went back to the original barrel bushings that came with the trucks and I like the feel of barrel better but they squeak even more. I have tried waxing the pivot cup and bushings but it does not stop the squeak. I know by summer the bushings will soften up enough to where they won’t squeak but right now it’s getting on my nerves. Is it just Indy bushings? Do bones bushings squeak? Can anyone else relate? I’ll take my answer off Line.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 14, 2019, 04:07:42 PM
Drop of Bones Speed Cream in the pivot cup and then put some on a few sheets of paper towel and dab the ends of the bushings on it so they’re greased up. Should work. Or dry bike chain lube.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 14, 2019, 05:45:13 PM
On forged vs cast....I drop those krux kinpins so cast it is....thunders the teams have an extra mill of height too....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on March 14, 2019, 08:18:06 PM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on March 14, 2019, 03:57:13 PM
Are there any bushings that do not squeak in colder weather and fit standard Indy trucks? I bought Indy after market 88 and 90 conicals, but they both squeak. I went back to the original barrel bushings that came with the trucks and I like the feel of barrel better but they squeak even more. I have tried waxing the pivot cup and bushings but it does not stop the squeak. I know by summer the bushings will soften up enough to where they won’t squeak but right now it’s getting on my nerves. Is it just Indy bushings? Do bones bushings squeak? Can anyone else relate? I’ll take my answer off Line.

I tried bearing lube and it works OK, but not for very long. I recommend grease from an auto parts store, it lasts longer for me. For me, 90% of the squeaks come from the pivot cups, I don't actually grease my bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on March 15, 2019, 08:19:42 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 02, 2019, 05:03:16 AM
On the topic of Ace trucks, has anyone hammered in a hollow kingpin that isn’t a krux? Which ones fit? Indy? Thunder? Destructo?

At least the standard Indy kingpin and older Ace kingpin have completely different slits in them. I put some steel epoxy on my loose Ace kingpins a few years back and considered replacing the kingpins with new ones while at it and Indy was all I could find easily but once I compared them side to side, it was pretty clear that the Indy kingpins likely wouldn't fit at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 15, 2019, 02:44:50 PM
Quote from: Roisto on March 15, 2019, 08:19:42 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 02, 2019, 05:03:16 AM
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On the topic of Ace trucks, has anyone hammered in a hollow kingpin that isn’t a krux? Which ones fit? Indy? Thunder? Destructo?
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At least the standard Indy kingpin and older Ace kingpin have completely different slits in them. I put some steel epoxy on my loose Ace kingpins a few years back and considered replacing the kingpins with new ones while at it and Indy was all I could find easily but once I compared them side to side, it was pretty clear that the Indy kingpins likely wouldn't fit at all.

The Desctruco hollows fit, with some work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 15, 2019, 03:27:25 PM
I hammered out my aces and put in a krux....works well....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on March 17, 2019, 07:04:52 PM
Curious as to if Mariano is riding thunders or ventures now
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: verylowimpact on March 17, 2019, 07:18:09 PM
I'm sure maybe this has been discussed before but I can't seem to find anything online. If I'm sticking to 8.25 and up from now on, what Indys between 144 vs 149 do you guys prefer and why.

Avoid buying trucks at all cost and currently in the market.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on March 17, 2019, 07:35:59 PM
144s work great on an 8.25, but i had them on an 8.375 and it was the worst feeling so i sized up to 149s and its a dream
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: verylowimpact on March 17, 2019, 07:56:28 PM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on March 17, 2019, 07:35:59 PM
144s work great on an 8.25, but i had them on an 8.375 and it was the worst feeling so i sized up to 149s and its a dream

Crazy such a small amount would matter that much. Got couple 8.25's and a 8.38 on deck. Don't know how to decide. Getting new trucks is like marriage for me. Lol.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 17, 2019, 09:12:44 PM
Quote from: verylowimpact on March 17, 2019, 07:56:28 PM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on March 17, 2019, 07:35:59 PM
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144s work great on an 8.25, but i had them on an 8.375 and it was the worst feeling so i sized up to 149s and its a dream
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Crazy such a small amount would matter that much. Got couple 8.25's and a 8.38 on deck. Don't know how to decide. Getting new trucks is like marriage for me. Lol.

144/8.25
144/149 8.3

It really depends on what you are skating...do you need the pinch/hanger room?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: verylowimpact on March 17, 2019, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 17, 2019, 09:12:44 PM
Quote from: verylowimpact on March 17, 2019, 07:56:28 PM
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Quote from: Paco Supreme on March 17, 2019, 07:35:59 PM
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144s work great on an 8.25, but i had them on an 8.375 and it was the worst feeling so i sized up to 149s and its a dream
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Crazy such a small amount would matter that much. Got couple 8.25's and a 8.38 on deck. Don't know how to decide. Getting new trucks is like marriage for me. Lol.
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144/8.25
144/149 8.3

It really depends on what you are skating...do you need the pinch/hanger room?

Went with 144. I'm old and occasionally like to try to flip the board when the mood strikes me so I figure, I need all the help I can get ;)

I plan to stick to 8.25 range and not bigger than a 8.3 for the foreseeable future, even though I like the idea of a Chico type setup being an older head, I just can't see myself getting there. The 8.3 is a shape type board so I figure, whatever, all sort of wacky anyhow.

Hope I made the right decision :-\. 

Getting new trucks is stressful. Lol.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: clintendo on March 17, 2019, 10:25:45 PM
Bit off topic to the above posts but recently replaced my pivot cups to riptides, I ride Theeve 6.5's and they have made a world of difference. Originally thought nothing of pivot cups but yeah, bowl skating has become a breeze since the trucks now swerve when I want them too without having to have rattling trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 18, 2019, 08:33:04 AM
Spent the weekend skating the new Tensor All Terrain Geometry Mag Lights and I'm pretty amazed.  They redesigned these completely from the ground up without any considerations to previous Tensor models and it shows. 

The turning is quick, responsive and deep.  The trucks are incredibly stable on center which is something I have been looking for since I stopped skating Theeve.  Basically when you bend down to pop, the trucks stay completely centered but when you carve on transition and lean into the truck they have a really quick, progressive turn.  It's hard to describe but they do not feel anything like Indy/Thunder/Venture.  I think this is all due to not only the geometry but also the interlocking bushings

The trucks are 55m high which you notice due to lack of wheelbite but they dont feel high when you pop.  Standard Indy's feel "tippy" to me and these are nothing like that.

The magnesium grind is butter smooth and feels similar to the aluminum that Ace uses.  Kingpin clearance is huge and you'll likely get to the axle before you hit your kingpin except for smiths and feebles. 

As long as I can get the marketing from Indy and Thunder out of my head and just skate what feels best for me, I'll be on these from now on.

Pics:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7912/47359932542_c36483bd2a_z.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7890/47359932692_6c3a395e41_z.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7815/33536955728_a79954575b_z.jpg)

Here's a video from the dude that designed them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DremJukk0iI

Here's an overview of the features
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKNHSJN1fLo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 18, 2019, 08:39:49 AM
Skated those for a bit and put them on my girls cruiser board. Loved their turn & grinding, but Coming from Thunders, the height-difference was a bit much for me which was why stopped skating them. They’re defintely worth a shot if you’re interested tho. Mag-lites are actually lighter than Ti Thunders which is crazy because the tensors are way taller and look much  “bigger” but are crazy light. Grinds crusty ledges better than anything I’ve ever skated too.

Shiiiiiiiiiit, gonna have me fuck around and switch my shit out again the more i keep talking about them 😂
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 18, 2019, 08:43:39 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on March 18, 2019, 08:39:49 AM
Skated those for a bit and put them on my girls cruiser board. Coming from Thunders, the height-difference was a bit much for me which was why stopped skating them but the new Tensors are defintely worth a shot if you’re interested. Mag-lites are actually lighter than Ti Thunders which is crazy because the tensors are way taller and look “bigger” but are crazy light. Their turn is pretty nice too

Shiiiiiiiiiit, gonna have me fuck around and switch my shit out again the more i keep talking about them 😂

Yeah, I was surprised that the height didn't bother me at all but I've only been skating Indy and Venture (both with forged baseplates and both 53.5mm) so the difference wasn't as much as coming from Thunder.

for the weight weenies out there, the Tensors are 276g, Thunder Ti are 311g and Indy Ti are 340g.  They are insanely light
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on March 18, 2019, 01:29:11 PM
What do those new all terrain tensors do to the wheelbase, or how much wheel clearance on nose/tail slides?


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 18, 2019, 01:33:35 PM
Quote from: Beeker on March 18, 2019, 01:29:11 PM
What do those new all terrain tensors do to the wheelbase, or how much wheel clearance on nose/tail slides?

In regards to wheelbase, they seem to extend it more than Indy but less than Thunder.  The baseplate makes about the same amount of contact as an Indy baseplate.  You can see the contact points in my pic above.  That's with 52mm wheels
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 18, 2019, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: software on March 18, 2019, 03:23:41 PM
What width are those tensors? Thank you for the review, they look nice.

Hangar is a 5.75 (149) and the axle is 8.5
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 18, 2019, 08:55:37 PM
Do you guys really like the aluminum they use for aces?

I like the way the trucks are but something about the floppy weighty feel of the metal throws me off coming from skating the grade of aluminum on thunders and Indy

The aces feel sorta heavy like but I know they can’t be heavier than Indy’s

Comparing 44 to 144
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 18, 2019, 11:02:17 PM
^Ace 44’s are like 2g lighter than standard 149 Indy’s.

Those Tensors are intriguing based on the smooth grind and decent turn, but I’d be afraid of breaking baseplates from slappies. I’ve broken several Ace plates and they were the cast aluminums, not the mags.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on March 18, 2019, 11:18:17 PM
Quote from: rob on March 18, 2019, 08:55:37 PM
Do you guys really like the aluminum they use for aces?

I like the way the trucks are but something about the floppy weighty feel of the metal throws me off coming from skating the grade of aluminum on thunders and Indy

The aces feel sorta heavy like but I know they can’t be heavier than Indy’s

Comparing 44 to 144
i like it because of how they grind. i think the base plate is the culprit for the “floppy” feeling. when i rode ace hangers with indy baseplates they felt more…solid? meaty? they didn't have that weird feeling of the trucks somehow bending and squishing underneath you when you do something slightly aggressive.the ace plates should have stronger/harder material, maybe a thicker redesign (of the base plate only) would help. weight wise, ace should feel lighter because of the shorter wheel base, maybe the softer bottom bushings have something to do with it? maybe the hanger not being hollowed out has a placebo effect and you just think it's heavier.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 19, 2019, 06:36:27 AM
Quote from: I AM on March 18, 2019, 11:18:17 PM
Quote from: rob on March 18, 2019, 08:55:37 PM
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Do you guys really like the aluminum they use for aces?

I like the way the trucks are but something about the floppy weighty feel of the metal throws me off coming from skating the grade of aluminum on thunders and Indy

The aces feel sorta heavy like but I know they can’t be heavier than Indy’s

Comparing 44 to 144
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i like it because of how they grind. i think the base plate is the culprit for the “floppy” feeling. when i rode ace hangers with indy baseplates they felt more…solid? meaty? they didn't have that weird feeling of the trucks somehow bending and squishing underneath you when you do something slightly aggressive.the ace plates should have stronger/harder material, maybe a thicker redesign (of the base plate only) would help. weight wise, ace should feel lighter because of the shorter wheel base, maybe the softer bottom bushings have something to do with it? maybe the hanger not being hollowed out has a placebo effect and you just think it's heavier.

Yeah i don’t know what I’m feeling but it definitely feels not as solid

I’ve been on a binge of setting up board after board trying to see what I really want to stick to and that’s why this got brought up

I got the ace 44 on a 8.25 real low pro II and it’s nice cause my feet somehow always end up in a Ollie ready position no matter what on the tail and middle of the board

8.25 girl old wood/shape with 148 thunder titanium’s cause the old girl boards were heavy

8.38/8.5 anti hero with 148 thunder lights

7.9 aws with venture 5.2 lo

8.06 krooked with 4.0/8” krux downlows

I had the 8.38 mini logos setup but I felt they’re already reliable on what I want mostly out of my truck/setup to feel so they’ll stay on the rebound

Haters can hate but johnes knows what’s up, wide and stable with lower center of gravity for good control and quick response while still giving a decent turnability despite being a low truck with cylinder bushings

Also I’m a kook about the wheels setup on the trucks and couldn’t figure out the right wheels for the mini logo to look and feel proper
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on March 19, 2019, 03:57:14 PM
Quote from: rob on March 18, 2019, 08:55:37 PM
Do you guys really like the aluminum they use for aces?

I like the way the trucks are but something about the floppy weighty feel of the metal throws me off coming from skating the grade of aluminum on thunders and Indy

The aces feel sorta heavy like but I know they can’t be heavier than Indy’s

Comparing 44 to 144

I was always under the impression Ace's were heavier than Indy's. Before regurgitating that I just weighed an Ace 44 and an Indy 149. The Ace came in at 389g and the Indy at 394g. Not a lot lighter, but there ya go.

I suppose it might be possible the 144 is in fact a tiny amount lighter than the Ace 44, but until Indy makes a 8 3/8" truck you're never going to get totally fair point of comparison.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on March 20, 2019, 09:55:55 PM
Can anyone who has used Ventures (STEVE?) confirm or deny that they "don't turn" as everyone says? I've wanted to try them for the longest but I ride my trucks in between medium and Daewon so no turning is a no go for me. I also skate street and low impact stuff about 95% of the time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 20, 2019, 10:03:14 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on March 20, 2019, 09:55:55 PM
Can anyone who has used Ventures (STEVE?) confirm or deny that they "don't turn" as everyone says? I've wanted to try them for the longest but I ride my trucks in between medium and Daewon so no turning is a no go for me. I also skate street and low impact stuff about 95% of the time.

The lows definitely don’t turn much or almost at all

You really gotta try for it to start turning half as much as a thunder can but I love how straight and centered they stay so my pop and tricks are confident not to steer and lean away

I stepped on a set of my friends 5.8 hi before and I was very surprised at how surfy they were, he told me he got new trucks and he was always an Indy guy and before I found out they were venture hi he told me not to look and try them out and guess and I honestly thought they were Indy’s and low and behold them sons of bitches was 5.8 hi ventures

So the 5.8 hi can turn but I think they just don’t carve as good as an Indy, he rode his trucks medium loose with no deck side washer by the way if that helps
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on March 20, 2019, 10:16:44 PM
Quote from: rob on March 20, 2019, 10:03:14 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on March 20, 2019, 09:55:55 PM
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Can anyone who has used Ventures (STEVE?) confirm or deny that they "don't turn" as everyone says? I've wanted to try them for the longest but I ride my trucks in between medium and Daewon so no turning is a no go for me. I also skate street and low impact stuff about 95% of the time.
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The lows definitely don’t turn much or almost at all

You really gotta try for it to start turning half as much as a thunder can but I love how straight and centered they stay so my pop and tricks are confident not to steer and lean away

I stepped on a set of my friends 5.8 hi before and I was very surprised at how surfy they were, he told me he got new trucks and he was always an Indy guy and before I found out they were venture hi he told me not to look and try them out and guess and I honestly thought they were Indy’s and low and behold them sons of bitches was 5.8 hi ventures

So the 5.8 hi can turn but I think they just don’t carve as good as an Indy, he rode his trucks medium loose with no deck side washer by the way if that helps
First off, thanks for the reply Rob. You're a fucking G!

Anyway, I'm glad you thought the 5.8 highs were surfy seeing as that'd be what I'd skate. And I don't mind if they stay straight and don't seem to turn as much as Thunders (those things wheel bite almost at will) but I still want to be able to turn when I want to, not just have the board lean, if that makes any sense?

Also what made them feel like Indy lows? Aren't they the same 55mm height as normal cast Indys?


I just re-watched Westgate's War and peace part as well as his New Balance solo part and they seem to turn pretty good.

I mean look at the video below @ 8:33


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHSS9zWOPV8&t=502s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 20, 2019, 10:30:09 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on March 20, 2019, 10:16:44 PM
Quote from: rob on March 20, 2019, 10:03:14 PM
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Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on March 20, 2019, 09:55:55 PM
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Can anyone who has used Ventures (STEVE?) confirm or deny that they "don't turn" as everyone says? I've wanted to try them for the longest but I ride my trucks in between medium and Daewon so no turning is a no go for me. I also skate street and low impact stuff about 95% of the time.
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The lows definitely don’t turn much or almost at all

You really gotta try for it to start turning half as much as a thunder can but I love how straight and centered they stay so my pop and tricks are confident not to steer and lean away

I stepped on a set of my friends 5.8 hi before and I was very surprised at how surfy they were, he told me he got new trucks and he was always an Indy guy and before I found out they were venture hi he told me not to look and try them out and guess and I honestly thought they were Indy’s and low and behold them sons of bitches was 5.8 hi ventures

So the 5.8 hi can turn but I think they just don’t carve as good as an Indy, he rode his trucks medium loose with no deck side washer by the way if that helps
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First off, thanks for the reply Rob. You're a fucking G!

Anyway, I'm glad you thought the 5.8 highs were surfy seeing as that'd be what I'd skate. And I don't mind if they stay straight and don't seem to turn as much as Thunders (those things wheel bite almost at will) but I still want to be able to turn when I want to, not just have the board lean, if that makes any sense?

Also what made them feel like Indy lows? Aren't they the same 55mm height as normal cast Indys?


I just re-watched Westgate's War and peace part as well as his New Balance solo part and they seem to turn pretty good.

I mean look at the video below @ 8:33


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHSS9zWOPV8&t=502s

Oh I meant the 5.8 high felt like a standard high 149 Indy almost, not to be mistaken with the 139 lows I always skate myself

And from what everyone saying here and my speculation the venture hi are 53.5mm tall like a forged/Indy light

I’m thinking to grab a set of 5.8 hi myself for my 8.2 and up size decks to try
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Smartass on March 20, 2019, 10:30:34 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 18, 2019, 08:33:04 AM


I've been using mine on and off since they released, and I still feel like they're really great trucks. After a long extensive use of them, my biggest problem with them is honestly how smooth they grind. They grind like butter, but they have caused me slip out of so many grinds on them because of it. Grinding them on crusty shit is nice, but grinding them on metal coping or ledges can be extremely slippery. Also try to avoid to do doing a lot high impact shit with the magnesium sets, as I have bent an axle on one set from the impact of a decent sized gap.

That all being said, I always find myself gravitating back towards them because of how light they are, and how smooth they grind. I'm normally a low impact person anyways, so I'm rarely hucking myself off gaps and stairs.

I've switched to some Ace 44's in the meantime and I am really liking them. I think the only thing I want to try with these is a set of riptide cups, and see what the hype is about.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on March 20, 2019, 10:35:17 PM
Quote from: rob on March 20, 2019, 10:30:09 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on March 20, 2019, 10:16:44 PM
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Quote from: rob on March 20, 2019, 10:03:14 PM
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Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on March 20, 2019, 09:55:55 PM
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Can anyone who has used Ventures (STEVE?) confirm or deny that they "don't turn" as everyone says? I've wanted to try them for the longest but I ride my trucks in between medium and Daewon so no turning is a no go for me. I also skate street and low impact stuff about 95% of the time.
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The lows definitely don’t turn much or almost at all

You really gotta try for it to start turning half as much as a thunder can but I love how straight and centered they stay so my pop and tricks are confident not to steer and lean away

I stepped on a set of my friends 5.8 hi before and I was very surprised at how surfy they were, he told me he got new trucks and he was always an Indy guy and before I found out they were venture hi he told me not to look and try them out and guess and I honestly thought they were Indy’s and low and behold them sons of bitches was 5.8 hi ventures

So the 5.8 hi can turn but I think they just don’t carve as good as an Indy, he rode his trucks medium loose with no deck side washer by the way if that helps
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First off, thanks for the reply Rob. You're a fucking G!

Anyway, I'm glad you thought the 5.8 highs were surfy seeing as that'd be what I'd skate. And I don't mind if they stay straight and don't seem to turn as much as Thunders (those things wheel bite almost at will) but I still want to be able to turn when I want to, not just have the board lean, if that makes any sense?

Also what made them feel like Indy lows? Aren't they the same 55mm height as normal cast Indys?


I just re-watched Westgate's War and peace part as well as his New Balance solo part and they seem to turn pretty good.

I mean look at the video below @ 8:33


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHSS9zWOPV8&t=502s
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Oh I meant the 5.8 high felt like a standard high 149 Indy almost, not to be mistaken with the 139 lows I always skate myself

And from what everyone saying here and my speculation the venture hi are 53.5mm tall like a forged/Indy light

I’m thinking to grab a set of 5.8 hi myself for my 8.2 and up size decks to try
Oh okay. I thought I remember someone saying Venture his are 55mm thanks. You have me really wanting to try some if they are basically a more stable, slightly less surfy Indys as long they aren't like Krux which seem to want to lean instead of turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on March 20, 2019, 11:27:16 PM
Venture 5.8s are 55 mm high. They're interesting trucks for sure. They're quite stable in the middle but not in a bad way (like Indys with Bones bushings are IMO). They turn pretty nice BUT the turn isn't very deep at all. It's kind of weird all in all. The pop on them is absolutely magical. Compared to Krux, they turn much more nicely but I'm not sure if they turn more. The feeling of the turn is definitely nicer. Very hard to wheelbite with 54 mm wheels. I put mine on a cruiser and put Indy super soft bushings in them to make them very loose. They work out nicely with that as I rarely need to turn very deep with a cruiser. For my main set up I'm running Aces cuz the turn on them is absolutely wonderful compared to anything else.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on March 21, 2019, 12:51:39 AM
Quote from: Roisto on March 20, 2019, 11:27:16 PM
Venture 5.8s are 55 mm high. They're interesting trucks for sure. They're quite stable in the middle but not in a bad way (like Indys with Bones bushings are IMO). They turn pretty nice BUT the turn isn't very deep at all. It's kind of weird all in all. The pop on them is absolutely magical. Compared to Krux, they turn much more nicely but I'm not sure if they turn more. The feeling of the turn is definitely nicer. Very hard to wheelbite with 54 mm wheels. I put mine on a cruiser and put Indy super soft bushings in them to make them very loose. They work out nicely with that as I rarely need to turn very deep with a cruiser. For my main set up I'm running Aces cuz the turn on them is absolutely wonderful compared to anything else.
I KNEW THEY WAS!

Anyway, sad to hear they actually don't turn more than Krux. Guess I'll just stick with Indys. To me, other trucks are like the Plaza hotel and Indys are like your house. You can having the time of your life at a nice ass hotel but after a while you just want to go home.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 21, 2019, 04:15:11 AM
Quote from: Roisto on March 20, 2019, 11:27:16 PM
Venture 5.8s are 55 mm high. They're interesting trucks for sure. They're quite stable in the middle but not in a bad way (like Indys with Bones bushings are IMO). They turn pretty nice BUT the turn isn't very deep at all. It's kind of weird all in all. The pop on them is absolutely magical. Compared to Krux, they turn much more nicely but I'm not sure if they turn more. The feeling of the turn is definitely nicer. Very hard to wheelbite with 54 mm wheels. I put mine on a cruiser and put Indy super soft bushings in them to make them very loose. They work out nicely with that as I rarely need to turn very deep with a cruiser. For my main set up I'm running Aces cuz the turn on them is absolutely wonderful compared to anything else.


This pretty much nails it.  also, I skate the forged baseplate Ventures which are 53.5 (same as indy).  If you skate mostly transition you would be better suited on Indy/Ace.  but if you're like me and skate 80% street and 20% transition (terribly), they're a great truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on March 21, 2019, 10:00:22 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 18, 2019, 08:33:04 AM
Spent the weekend skating the new Tensor All Terrain Geometry Mag Lights and I'm pretty amazed.  They redesigned these completely from the ground up without any considerations to previous Tensor models and it shows. 

The turning is quick, responsive and deep.  The trucks are incredibly stable on center which is something I have been looking for since I stopped skating Theeve.  Basically when you bend down to pop, the trucks stay completely centered but when you carve on transition and lean into the truck they have a really quick, progressive turn.  It's hard to describe but they do not feel anything like Indy/Thunder/Venture.  I think this is all due to not only the geometry but also the interlocking bushings

The trucks are 55m high which you notice due to lack of wheelbite but they dont feel high when you pop.  Standard Indy's feel "tippy" to me and these are nothing like that.

The magnesium grind is butter smooth and feels similar to the aluminum that Ace uses.  Kingpin clearance is huge and you'll likely get to the axle before you hit your kingpin except for smiths and feebles. 

As long as I can get the marketing from Indy and Thunder out of my head and just skate what feels best for me, I'll be on these from now on.

Pics:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7912/47359932542_c36483bd2a_z.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7890/47359932692_6c3a395e41_z.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7815/33536955728_a79954575b_z.jpg)

Here's a video from the dude that designed them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DremJukk0iI

Here's an overview of the features
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKNHSJN1fLo

Shit. Now I want tensors. I need to stop reading this thread
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on March 21, 2019, 10:48:57 AM
the theeve bushings are way waaaay too hard and any bones/cored bushing seems to catch on the hanger or something and just stop turning so if you ride theeves real loose give me bushing recommendations
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Larry Dallas on March 21, 2019, 08:13:38 PM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on March 21, 2019, 12:51:39 AM
Quote from: Roisto on March 20, 2019, 11:27:16 PM
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Venture 5.8s are 55 mm high. They're interesting trucks for sure. They're quite stable in the middle but not in a bad way (like Indys with Bones bushings are IMO). They turn pretty nice BUT the turn isn't very deep at all. It's kind of weird all in all. The pop on them is absolutely magical. Compared to Krux, they turn much more nicely but I'm not sure if they turn more. The feeling of the turn is definitely nicer. Very hard to wheelbite with 54 mm wheels. I put mine on a cruiser and put Indy super soft bushings in them to make them very loose. They work out nicely with that as I rarely need to turn very deep with a cruiser. For my main set up I'm running Aces cuz the turn on them is absolutely wonderful compared to anything else.
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I KNEW THEY WAS!

Anyway, sad to hear they actually don't turn more than Krux. Guess I'll just stick with Indys. To me, other trucks are like the Plaza hotel and Indys are like your house. You can having the time of your life at a nice ass hotel but after a while you just want to go home.
They’re not 55mm high.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 21, 2019, 08:55:09 PM
Quote from: Larry Dallas on March 21, 2019, 08:13:38 PM
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Venture 5.8s are 55 mm high. They're interesting trucks for sure. They're quite stable in the middle but not in a bad way (like Indys with Bones bushings are IMO). They turn pretty nice BUT the turn isn't very deep at all. It's kind of weird all in all. The pop on them is absolutely magical. Compared to Krux, they turn much more nicely but I'm not sure if they turn more. The feeling of the turn is definitely nicer. Very hard to wheelbite with 54 mm wheels. I put mine on a cruiser and put Indy super soft bushings in them to make them very loose. They work out nicely with that as I rarely need to turn very deep with a cruiser. For my main set up I'm running Aces cuz the turn on them is absolutely wonderful compared to anything else.
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I KNEW THEY WAS!

Anyway, sad to hear they actually don't turn more than Krux. Guess I'll just stick with Indys. To me, other trucks are like the Plaza hotel and Indys are like your house. You can having the time of your life at a nice ass hotel but after a while you just want to go home.
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They’re not 55mm high.

Just measured some v-lights and they're 50-51mm so add 1.5mm for the standard baseplate
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 21, 2019, 10:27:01 PM
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Quote from: Roisto on March 20, 2019, 11:27:16 PM
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Venture 5.8s are 55 mm high. They're interesting trucks for sure. They're quite stable in the middle but not in a bad way (like Indys with Bones bushings are IMO). They turn pretty nice BUT the turn isn't very deep at all. It's kind of weird all in all. The pop on them is absolutely magical. Compared to Krux, they turn much more nicely but I'm not sure if they turn more. The feeling of the turn is definitely nicer. Very hard to wheelbite with 54 mm wheels. I put mine on a cruiser and put Indy super soft bushings in them to make them very loose. They work out nicely with that as I rarely need to turn very deep with a cruiser. For my main set up I'm running Aces cuz the turn on them is absolutely wonderful compared to anything else.
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I KNEW THEY WAS!

Anyway, sad to hear they actually don't turn more than Krux. Guess I'll just stick with Indys. To me, other trucks are like the Plaza hotel and Indys are like your house. You can having the time of your life at a nice ass hotel but after a while you just want to go home.
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They’re not 55mm high.
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Just measured some v-lights and they're 50-51mm so add 1.5mm for the standard baseplate

So they’re 53mm tall for the standards?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on March 22, 2019, 04:30:23 AM
Quote from: fang on March 17, 2019, 07:04:52 PM
Curious as to if Mariano is riding thunders or ventures now
Thunders it seems.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: papo on March 22, 2019, 04:44:55 AM
Why did some of you take out the washers?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Pastasash on March 22, 2019, 06:49:32 AM
Been a big Indy guy for the majority of my skate “career” and Bobby Worrest is one of my favorite skaters. So when he left for Venture and saw his new pro trucks (and that amazing new pulaski part) it made me want to try them out.

For those who have switched over from Indy to Venture what would you recommend? Should I go for it?

I skate 159 Indys and skate mostly ledges, flat bars, and qp’s. Thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 22, 2019, 08:25:44 AM
Yes....I some how have that they are the only trucks that matter....stuck in my head....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chanel West Coast on March 22, 2019, 08:36:52 AM
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Venture 5.8s are 55 mm high. They're interesting trucks for sure. They're quite stable in the middle but not in a bad way (like Indys with Bones bushings are IMO). They turn pretty nice BUT the turn isn't very deep at all. It's kind of weird all in all. The pop on them is absolutely magical. Compared to Krux, they turn much more nicely but I'm not sure if they turn more. The feeling of the turn is definitely nicer. Very hard to wheelbite with 54 mm wheels. I put mine on a cruiser and put Indy super soft bushings in them to make them very loose. They work out nicely with that as I rarely need to turn very deep with a cruiser. For my main set up I'm running Aces cuz the turn on them is absolutely wonderful compared to anything else.
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I KNEW THEY WAS!

Anyway, sad to hear they actually don't turn more than Krux. Guess I'll just stick with Indys. To me, other trucks are like the Plaza hotel and Indys are like your house. You can having the time of your life at a nice ass hotel but after a while you just want to go home.
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They’re not 55mm high.
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Just measured some v-lights and they're 50-51mm so add 1.5mm for the standard baseplate
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So they’re 53mm tall for the standards?

a 5.8 hi is 54 mm tall for sure, the low's are probably 52mm but thats speculation
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on March 22, 2019, 08:39:01 AM
Love Ventures, just bought my second set of V-Hollows (5.2 Hi) but randomly switching cos advertising? Nah. Main thing for me is how totally neutral they perform.... other trucks it's like the board is skating me. Ventures I can put as much lean and stress on any turn as I need and they very, very rarely feel like they're gonna slip out or speed wobble, most likely I'll just transfer into a slide but controllable. Other trucks nearly always put me on my ass....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on March 22, 2019, 08:42:30 AM
they turn plenty out the box untightened too I guess, but for me the magic is in that medium zone hacking down the street at speed so... YMMV
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on March 22, 2019, 08:51:37 AM
Quote from: drinny on March 22, 2019, 08:39:01 AM
Love Ventures, just bought my second set of V-Hollows (5.2 Hi) but randomly switching cos advertising? Nah. Main thing for me is how totally neutral they perform.... other trucks it's like the board is skating me. Ventures I can put as much lean and stress on any turn as I need and they very, very rarely feel like they're gonna slip out or speed wobble, most likely I'll just transfer into a slide but controllable. Other trucks nearly always put me on my ass....

That's an interesting analysis. Thunder and Indy do seem to have their own character very much so. Like you can tell by watching someone skate if they're on one or the other. I like all of the big 3 for different reasons and wish I could just swear by one but inevitably I'll have a bad session and want to skate different trucks to "fix" whatever problem I was having. Has anyone here ever been trapped in this cycle and actually broken it??
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 23, 2019, 02:10:54 AM
Quote from: Chanel West Coast on March 22, 2019, 08:36:52 AM
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Quote from: Roisto on March 20, 2019, 11:27:16 PM
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Venture 5.8s are 55 mm high. They're interesting trucks for sure. They're quite stable in the middle but not in a bad way (like Indys with Bones bushings are IMO). They turn pretty nice BUT the turn isn't very deep at all. It's kind of weird all in all. The pop on them is absolutely magical. Compared to Krux, they turn much more nicely but I'm not sure if they turn more. The feeling of the turn is definitely nicer. Very hard to wheelbite with 54 mm wheels. I put mine on a cruiser and put Indy super soft bushings in them to make them very loose. They work out nicely with that as I rarely need to turn very deep with a cruiser. For my main set up I'm running Aces cuz the turn on them is absolutely wonderful compared to anything else.
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I KNEW THEY WAS!

Anyway, sad to hear they actually don't turn more than Krux. Guess I'll just stick with Indys. To me, other trucks are like the Plaza hotel and Indys are like your house. You can having the time of your life at a nice ass hotel but after a while you just want to go home.
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They’re not 55mm high.
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Just measured some v-lights and they're 50-51mm so add 1.5mm for the standard baseplate
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So they’re 53mm tall for the standards?
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a 5.8 hi is 54 mm tall for sure, the low's are probably 52mm but thats speculation

I can definitely tell you with evidence the venture lows are most definitely not “52mm”

I’m skating them now on a smaller deck than my usual 8.1/8.2 preference and they are around 48mm tall

Loving them right now on my 7.9 setup

They’re so stable and respond so good

They don’t turn good but they do a little
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hangontoyourego on March 23, 2019, 09:07:26 AM
Quote from: sasha basta on March 22, 2019, 06:49:32 AM
Been a big Indy guy for the majority of my skate “career” and Bobby Worrest is one of my favorite skaters. So when he left for Venture and saw his new pro trucks (and that amazing new pulaski part) it made me want to try them out.

For those who have switched over from Indy to Venture what would you recommend? Should I go for it?

I skate 159 Indys and skate mostly ledges, flat bars, and qp’s. Thanks!
unfortunately venture’s widest is the 5.8 so i don’t think that’s wide enough. i’ve been on ventures for years and i love em . they have the best design . i’ve been using the dlx bushings in them . i’m stoked to try the new titanium next month .
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 25, 2019, 11:53:59 AM
Quote from: I AM on March 21, 2019, 10:48:57 AM
the theeve bushings are way waaaay too hard and any bones/cored bushing seems to catch on the hanger or something and just stop turning so if you ride theeves real loose give me bushing recommendations

Stock Theeve bushings are hard as fuck, not Bones Hard but harder than Bones Meds. I use Bones mediums on the bottoms and bones softs on the tops.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on March 25, 2019, 12:54:10 PM
So I already mentioned in this thread that a few weeks back I threw some of the new ace bushings in my Krux and it made them amazing, surfy, and way stable - well, after skating a handful of sessions the magic has kind of worn off, should I make the switch to a different truck brand or is this maybe something that the ever-hyped riptide pivot cups would remedy?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on March 25, 2019, 05:08:21 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 25, 2019, 11:53:59 AM
Quote from: I AM on March 21, 2019, 10:48:57 AM
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the theeve bushings are way waaaay too hard and any bones/cored bushing seems to catch on the hanger or something and just stop turning so if you ride theeves real loose give me bushing recommendations
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Stock Theeve bushings are hard as fuck, not Bones Hard but harder than Bones Meds. I use Bones mediums on the bottoms and bones softs on the tops.
yea i tried something like that but the cores hit the hanger way too quick and i can't turn at all. right now im trying thunder 90a on them and while they don't rebound at all,  it's still rideable, but it's a very on/off feel, even without washers. i'm thinking of trying khiro 73a bitch bushings. has anyone tried them? hows the rebound? also thought it was weird how with the stock bottom bushings and washers, the kingpin was off center, but when you take the bottom washer out, it was on center, and when it's actually on center they turn worse.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Italianshredder96 on March 26, 2019, 12:50:54 AM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on March 25, 2019, 12:54:10 PM
So I already mentioned in this thread that a few weeks back I threw some of the new ace bushings in my Krux and it made them amazing, surfy, and way stable - well, after skating a handful of sessions the magic has kind of worn off, should I make the switch to a different truck brand or is this maybe something that the ever-hyped riptide pivot cups would remedy?

Nothing will make krux turn...I tried everything without results.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 26, 2019, 03:56:03 AM
Yooooo guys I just lurked the venture trucks insta and they said in response to one of you kooks who commented they are definitely working on a 8.25 venture hi

Just when I was about to settle getting some 5.8 hi for my 8.1-8.3 big decks

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: clintendo on March 26, 2019, 04:16:45 AM
Quote from: Xen on March 25, 2019, 11:53:59 AM
Quote from: I AM on March 21, 2019, 10:48:57 AM
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the theeve bushings are way waaaay too hard and any bones/cored bushing seems to catch on the hanger or something and just stop turning so if you ride theeves real loose give me bushing recommendations
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Stock Theeve bushings are hard as fuck, not Bones Hard but harder than Bones Meds. I use Bones mediums on the bottoms and bones softs on the tops.

The standard Theeve bushing compound is exactly between a hard and medium bones bushing, if you want them loose, go to mediums
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on March 26, 2019, 05:24:22 AM
Quote from: rob on March 26, 2019, 03:56:03 AM
Yooooo guys I just lurked the venture trucks insta and they said in response to one of you kooks who commented they are definitely working on a 8.25 venture hi

Just when I was about to settle getting some 5.8 hi for my 8.1-8.3 big decks
never change rob
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on March 26, 2019, 05:33:22 AM
What’s the verdict on Bones hardcores in Thunders? I’ve heard they fuck up the geometry but I also see plenty of people running them. I was gonna get a new set of trucks on account of my axle threads being mangled but after getting the bad ones rethreaded the trucks are still in good condition bar the rear bushings blowing out and causing wobbles. Local bike shop has them in for cheap as shit so I might give em a shot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on March 26, 2019, 06:13:58 AM
Quote from: clintendo on March 26, 2019, 04:16:45 AM
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Quote from: I AM on March 21, 2019, 10:48:57 AM
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the theeve bushings are way waaaay too hard and any bones/cored bushing seems to catch on the hanger or something and just stop turning so if you ride theeves real loose give me bushing recommendations
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Stock Theeve bushings are hard as fuck, not Bones Hard but harder than Bones Meds. I use Bones mediums on the bottoms and bones softs on the tops.
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The standard Theeve bushing compound is exactly between a hard and medium bones bushing, if you want them loose, go to mediums
can you people not read? i specifically stated that cored bushings don't work for me . 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on March 26, 2019, 08:57:54 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on March 26, 2019, 05:33:22 AM
What’s the verdict on Bones hardcores in Thunders? I’ve heard they fuck up the geometry but I also see plenty of people running them. I was gonna get a new set of trucks on account of my axle threads being mangled but after getting the bad ones rethreaded the trucks are still in good condition bar the rear bushings blowing out and causing wobbles. Local bike shop has them in for cheap as shit so I might give em a shot.
Tyshawn rides them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on March 26, 2019, 01:53:20 PM
I see people leave the top or bottom washers, or both, off in their setups - can anyone explain what the difference is between the two or what the goal is in the first place?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on March 26, 2019, 01:56:21 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on March 26, 2019, 01:53:20 PM
I see people leave the top or bottom washers, or both, off in their setups - can anyone explain what the difference is between the two or what the goal is in the first place?

Goal is looser trucks. Leaving the bottom one out with stock height bushing messes up the geometry slightly. Leaving the top one out will make the top bushing more susceptible to damage.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on March 26, 2019, 02:51:54 PM
What is the durometer on Thunder bushings for 147 hi? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JustSomeDumbassGuyPosting on March 26, 2019, 03:01:54 PM
I feel the lip of a washer has so much to do with the way the bushing performs. Using a bones washer is pretty similar to washer less in feel, less squirelly though by a bit but very similar. It's convenient, especially for roadside bushing protection. I do it with all trucks, remove the roadside washer and put in bones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on March 26, 2019, 07:23:12 PM
Quote from: Idk on March 26, 2019, 02:51:54 PM
What is the durometer on Thunder bushings for 147 hi? Thanks in advance.
90
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on March 26, 2019, 07:33:05 PM
Quote from: Roisto on March 26, 2019, 01:56:21 PM
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I see people leave the top or bottom washers, or both, off in their setups - can anyone explain what the difference is between the two or what the goal is in the first place?
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Goal is looser trucks. Leaving the bottom one out with stock height bushing messes up the geometry slightly. Leaving the top one out will make the top bushing more susceptible to damage.
mmm i think that depends on the quality of the bushing it self. with the washers, indy stock bushings get cracked and mangled real quick, with out washers that doesn't happen as easily. i guess the top bushing gets a bit squished in the middle where the nut goes, but other than that, less pressure = less damage. not having washers feels more natural and smooth, free flowing/surfy. there's no limit to the turn other than wheelbite. it helps with rebound too because there's no constant pressure from the washers. it's a bit lighter also, but i don't think anyone does it for that reason.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 27, 2019, 02:20:17 AM
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Yooooo guys I just lurked the venture trucks insta and they said in response to one of you kooks who commented they are definitely working on a 8.25 venture hi

Just when I was about to settle getting some 5.8 hi for my 8.1-8.3 big decks
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never change rob

you sound like one of my pals, they say the same cause even on the streets I’m the gear kook like on this message board

got a new setup or need to fix your setup I will do everything to fix and convince you what’s best
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Compl(i)ements on March 27, 2019, 06:16:44 AM
Do your pals know how lucky they are to have you? Some of us need to log into a forum to be graced with knowledge; no internet, no rob. It's like being friends with a internist MD. They should be greatful.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on March 27, 2019, 06:37:14 AM
Quote from: Cxbvc on March 27, 2019, 02:12:40 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/defvCKl.jpg)

Went back to my old Indy’s, but at the time of skating these I basically only ever skated a mini and back 50s/5-0s have left a perfect rounded area on the truck. Anyone else hate trying to skate ledges on this kind of shit? Just slips right out underneath me because of the groove. Any ways of remedying this other than the obvious ‘do some slappies’?

Ps: does anyone know how well Ace hangers would fit into Indy baseplates?
just get better at skateboarding. uhhm don't grooves help you lock in? don't really get the complaint here.

ace stage 3s (the newest ones with softer bushings) dont fit unless you put the ace pivot cups in the indy baseplate. dont really know about stage 2s but stage 1s fit indy baseplates perfectly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on March 27, 2019, 07:11:00 AM
Quote from: Cxbvc on March 27, 2019, 02:12:40 AM

Went back to my old Indy’s, but at the time of skating these I basically only ever skated a mini and back 50s/5-0s have left a perfect rounded area on the truck. Anyone else hate trying to skate ledges on this kind of shit? Just slips right out underneath me because of the groove. Any ways of remedying this other than the obvious ‘do some slappies’?

Ps: does anyone know how well Ace hangers would fit into Indy baseplates?

honestly the answer really is just do some slappies to even it out or get a new set. my last set of thunders had a groove like that down to the axle from a year of skating tranny and when i started skating street itd fuck me up on 5050s etc because it'd slip into the groove.

(https://i.imgur.com/m7IQyQBl.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on March 27, 2019, 08:07:32 AM
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Yooooo guys I just lurked the venture trucks insta and they said in response to one of you kooks who commented they are definitely working on a 8.25 venture hi

Just when I was about to settle getting some 5.8 hi for my 8.1-8.3 big decks
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never change rob
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you sound like one of my pals, they say the same cause even on the streets I’m the gear kook like on this message board

got a new setup or need to fix your setup I will do everything to fix and convince you what’s best
I like to do manuals and skate ledges. I want to get more tech but Indys were so heavy and high that I switched to 147 hi Thunders. I'm just having truck madness and not sure if I'd prefer Thunders or Ventures since I've never skated a pair of Ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 27, 2019, 08:59:00 AM
Quote from: rob on March 27, 2019, 02:20:17 AM
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Yooooo guys I just lurked the venture trucks insta and they said in response to one of you kooks who commented they are definitely working on a 8.25 venture hi

Just when I was about to settle getting some 5.8 hi for my 8.1-8.3 big decks
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never change rob
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you sound like one of my pals, they say the same cause even on the streets I’m the gear kook like on this message board

got a new setup or need to fix your setup I will do everything to fix and convince you what’s best

Venture insta comment was 'soon' to the 8.25" question; 5.8Ti in April.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 27, 2019, 05:13:00 PM
Wonder if they'll go Hi or Lo.....hope they go Lo...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SneakySecrets on March 27, 2019, 06:19:09 PM
Pardon me if this was already asked, but has anyone skated thunder team titaniums?

Is it worth the extra cost?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 144p on March 27, 2019, 06:32:28 PM
If you desire the lightest setup, it is a noticeable difference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on March 27, 2019, 09:26:18 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 27, 2019, 05:13:00 PM
Wonder if they'll go Hi or Lo.....hope they go Lo...

Would be nice to have a low option 8.25+ besides mini-logo (unless I'm missing something).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 27, 2019, 10:36:44 PM
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Yooooo guys I just lurked the venture trucks insta and they said in response to one of you kooks who commented they are definitely working on a 8.25 venture hi

Just when I was about to settle getting some 5.8 hi for my 8.1-8.3 big decks
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never change rob
[close]

you sound like one of my pals, they say the same cause even on the streets I’m the gear kook like on this message board

got a new setup or need to fix your setup I will do everything to fix and convince you what’s best
[close]
I like to do manuals and skate ledges. I want to get more tech but Indys were so heavy and high that I switched to 147 hi Thunders. I'm just having truck madness and not sure if I'd prefer Thunders or Ventures since I've never skated a pair of Ventures.

If you want an overall more versatile setup, thunders

but if you like sticking to street low and tech even jumping off stuff(idk about over and across) then ventures(mainly the lo) are your truck

Sadly I’m sure it’s only going to be an 8.25 hi venture but man that would be crazy to have a venture lo 8.25, I would rock those for as long as I can

I wanna use my 5.2 on a bigger deck next(8.1-8.3) but I feel it’s gonna be such a magic carpet feel and throw me off

Loving my 5.2 lo on this 7.9 aws, works so perfectly and nostalgic
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Compl(i)ements on March 27, 2019, 11:34:47 PM
Sorry if this has been answered. I have Indy ti 149 from over a year ago I've been skating and I got some new 144s I wanted to swap the hangars and see what works best for me on 8.3, the 144s have IIII stamped on the hangar instead of IV like the 149s, is this gonna be a problem to mix up base plates and hangars?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on March 28, 2019, 12:53:41 AM
Quote from: Compl(i)ements on March 27, 2019, 11:34:47 PM
Sorry if this has been answered. I have Indy ti 149 from over a year ago I've been skating and I got some new 144s I wanted to swap the hangars and see what works best for me on 8.3, the 144s have IIII stamped on the hangar instead of IV like the 149s, is this gonna be a problem to mix up base plates and hangars?

Nah, you'll be fine. Baseplates and hangers on any standard size stage 11's  are interchangeable - forged, hollow, cast, all the same geometry save for the 1.5mm or so height on the forged baseplates, but that doesn't affect the fit between hanger and plate. So, experiment away.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on March 28, 2019, 03:01:47 AM
Quote from: Compl(i)ements on March 27, 2019, 11:34:47 PM
Sorry if this has been answered. I have Indy ti 149 from over a year ago I've been skating and I got some new 144s I wanted to swap the hangars and see what works best for me on 8.3, the 144s have IIII stamped on the hangar instead of IV like the 149s, is this gonna be a problem to mix up base plates and hangars?

109 - I
129 - II
139 - III
144 - IIII
149 - IV
159 - V
169 - VI
215 - VII

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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on March 28, 2019, 04:46:26 AM
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Yooooo guys I just lurked the venture trucks insta and they said in response to one of you kooks who commented they are definitely working on a 8.25 venture hi

Just when I was about to settle getting some 5.8 hi for my 8.1-8.3 big decks
[close]
never change rob
[close]

you sound like one of my pals, they say the same cause even on the streets I’m the gear kook like on this message board

got a new setup or need to fix your setup I will do everything to fix and convince you what’s best
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I like to do manuals and skate ledges. I want to get more tech but Indys were so heavy and high that I switched to 147 hi Thunders. I'm just having truck madness and not sure if I'd prefer Thunders or Ventures since I've never skated a pair of Ventures.
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If you want an overall more versatile setup, thunders

but if you like sticking to street low and tech even jumping off stuff(idk about over and across) then ventures(mainly the lo) are your truck

Sadly I’m sure it’s only going to be an 8.25 hi venture but man that would be crazy to have a venture lo 8.25, I would rock those for as long as I can

I wanna use my 5.2 on a bigger deck next(8.1-8.3) but I feel it’s gonna be such a magic carpet feel and throw me off

Loving my 5.2 lo on this 7.9 aws, works so perfectly and nostalgic
🙏
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 28, 2019, 06:45:39 AM
Quote from: SneakySecrets on March 27, 2019, 06:19:09 PM
Pardon me if this was already asked, but has anyone skated thunder team titaniums?

Is it worth the extra cost?

The hollows aren't too much heavier....the mm on the baseplate of the teams is luxury.....

Venture Hi' appeals to me like Indy Lo.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on March 28, 2019, 08:34:11 AM
Quote from: Beeker on March 27, 2019, 09:26:18 PM
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Wonder if they'll go Hi or Lo.....hope they go Lo...
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Would be nice to have a low option 8.25+ besides mini-logo (unless I'm missing something).


Why make an 8.25 low truck? I mean everybody else makes hi trucks. That must mean that there simply is no market for an low one. Right?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on March 28, 2019, 08:44:35 AM
I feel like Venture low and hi 5.2 is not big enough for 8 decks. I ride it with 7.75 and it looks and feels perfect.

I often am torn between my regular 8.25 hi setup and my sub 8 with low setup a lot because I love the feeling and control I get with low trucks. I love the wider truck because the way I lean and the way I pinch grinds on bigger trucks. 
If they can figure out how to tweak and make a 8.25 low that would be amazing I would ride that on my main setup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on March 28, 2019, 09:21:17 AM
Quote from: nosneb on March 28, 2019, 08:44:35 AM
I feel like Venture low and hi 5.2 is not big enough for 8 decks. I ride it with 7.75 and it looks and feels perfect.

I often am torn between my regular 8.25 hi setup and my sub 8 with low setup a lot because I love the feeling and control I get with low trucks. I love the wider truck because the way I lean and the way I pinch grinds on bigger trucks. 
If they can figure out how to tweak and make a 8.25 low that would be amazing I would ride that on my main setup.

One way would be to copy ML trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 28, 2019, 09:54:31 AM
Quote from: nosneb on March 28, 2019, 08:44:35 AM
I feel like Venture low and hi 5.2 is not big enough for 8 decks. I ride it with 7.75 and it looks and feels perfect.

I often am torn between my regular 8.25 hi setup and my sub 8 with low setup a lot because I love the feeling and control I get with low trucks. I love the wider truck because the way I lean and the way I pinch grinds on bigger trucks. 
If they can figure out how to tweak and make a 8.25 low that would be amazing I would ride that on my main setup.
Going to run 5.2 lows on my next 8.25. Been running the lows on my smaller setup and I don't think I can go back...but I also don't mind having a little overhang.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: verylowimpact on March 28, 2019, 10:07:58 AM
Quote from: palelight on March 28, 2019, 12:53:41 AM
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Sorry if this has been answered. I have Indy ti 149 from over a year ago I've been skating and I got some new 144s I wanted to swap the hangars and see what works best for me on 8.3, the 144s have IIII stamped on the hangar instead of IV like the 149s, is this gonna be a problem to mix up base plates and hangars?
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Nah, you'll be fine. Baseplates and hangers on any standard size stage 11's  are interchangeable - forged, hollow, cast, all the same geometry save for the 1.5mm or so height on the forged baseplates, but that doesn't affect the fit between hanger and plate. So, experiment away.

I asked a similar question a few pages back. I got some 139 stage 11 forged hollow baseplates and some stage 11 Rowley hangars with some brand new black bushings in them from a cruiser off eBay. I put them on my normal board and it was the absolute worst situation. The trucks would go in one direction, didn't matter how loose I kept them. I boiled the bushings also. The hanger was wiggling in the pivot cup, nothing felt stable and that god damn mind of it's own turn..argh. Not sure if it was my OCD but I felt like those things did not fit right whatsoever and would never break in...I've had new trucks and this shit was way more wacky with the mind of it's own situation. I bought new trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 28, 2019, 11:45:09 AM
Quote from: nosneb on March 28, 2019, 08:44:35 AM
I feel like Venture low and hi 5.2 is not big enough for 8 decks. I ride it with 7.75 and it looks and feels perfect.

I often am torn between my regular 8.25 hi setup and my sub 8 with low setup a lot because I love the feeling and control I get with low trucks. I love the wider truck because the way I lean and the way I pinch grinds on bigger trucks. 
If they can figure out how to tweak and make a 8.25 low that would be amazing I would ride that on my main setup.

Thunder TI lights would be the best option, they're currently the only low 8.25 option (Seeing as ML are 8.38)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on March 28, 2019, 12:46:12 PM
Quote from: verylowimpact on March 28, 2019, 10:07:58 AM
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Sorry if this has been answered. I have Indy ti 149 from over a year ago I've been skating and I got some new 144s I wanted to swap the hangars and see what works best for me on 8.3, the 144s have IIII stamped on the hangar instead of IV like the 149s, is this gonna be a problem to mix up base plates and hangars?
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Nah, you'll be fine. Baseplates and hangers on any standard size stage 11's  are interchangeable - forged, hollow, cast, all the same geometry save for the 1.5mm or so height on the forged baseplates, but that doesn't affect the fit between hanger and plate. So, experiment away.
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I asked a similar question a few pages back. I got some 139 stage 11 forged hollow baseplates and some stage 11 Rowley hangars with some brand new black bushings in them from a cruiser off eBay. I put them on my normal board and it was the absolute worst situation. The trucks would go in one direction, didn't matter how loose I kept them. I boiled the bushings also. The hanger was wiggling in the pivot cup, nothing felt stable and that god damn mind of it's own turn..argh. Not sure if it was my OCD but I felt like those things did not fit right whatsoever and would never break in...I've had new trucks and this shit was way more wacky with the mind of it's own situation. I bought new trucks.

Truly bizarre. I've done the exact same swap - used forged plates from a set of 139's and used standard cast 149 hangers - and had no problems whatsoever. You also see shops selling just replacement cast Indy baseplates as they're all supposed to be interchangeable. Bummer it didn't work out for you. 

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 28, 2019, 01:30:58 PM
Quote from: ultrabra on March 28, 2019, 08:34:11 AM
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Wonder if they'll go Hi or Lo.....hope they go Lo...
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Would be nice to have a low option 8.25+ besides mini-logo (unless I'm missing something).
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Why make an 8.25 low truck? I mean everybody else makes hi trucks. That must mean that there simply is no market for an low one. Right?

If there were no market for low trucks then no one would buy Ventures and Thunders period.  Boards have bumped to 8.25 so now trucks have to....it makes sense to stick to their regular geometry like Thunder has.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: verylowimpact on March 28, 2019, 02:03:49 PM
Quote from: palelight on March 28, 2019, 12:46:12 PM
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Sorry if this has been answered. I have Indy ti 149 from over a year ago I've been skating and I got some new 144s I wanted to swap the hangars and see what works best for me on 8.3, the 144s have IIII stamped on the hangar instead of IV like the 149s, is this gonna be a problem to mix up base plates and hangars?
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Nah, you'll be fine. Baseplates and hangers on any standard size stage 11's  are interchangeable - forged, hollow, cast, all the same geometry save for the 1.5mm or so height on the forged baseplates, but that doesn't affect the fit between hanger and plate. So, experiment away.
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I asked a similar question a few pages back. I got some 139 stage 11 forged hollow baseplates and some stage 11 Rowley hangars with some brand new black bushings in them from a cruiser off eBay. I put them on my normal board and it was the absolute worst situation. The trucks would go in one direction, didn't matter how loose I kept them. I boiled the bushings also. The hanger was wiggling in the pivot cup, nothing felt stable and that god damn mind of it's own turn..argh. Not sure if it was my OCD but I felt like those things did not fit right whatsoever and would never break in...I've had new trucks and this shit was way more wacky with the mind of it's own situation. I bought new trucks.
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Truly bizarre. I've done the exact same swap - used forged plates from a set of 139's and used standard cast 149 hangers - and had no problems whatsoever. You also see shops selling just replacement cast Indy baseplates as they're all supposed to be interchangeable. Bummer it didn't work out for you.

Yep. Maybe if I skated more often and wasn't so particular about how it should feel, I could have overcame it but the fact that it just didn't sit right in the pivot cup along with the unwanted turn, I was like screw it. It was a steel grey hanger with a silver baseplate anyhow, that alone was enough to mess me up..lol.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: StroudMears on March 28, 2019, 02:50:41 PM
Received the new geometry tensors with an 8 inch axle. Very light and looks well made. Compared to my old Venture 5.0 highs you can see they are a lot taller. Very curious how these feel skating, I pretty much rode ventures exclusively for 15 years.

(https://i.imgur.com/6YrLEvq.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/trtPhlK.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 29, 2019, 03:39:03 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 28, 2019, 01:30:58 PM
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Wonder if they'll go Hi or Lo.....hope they go Lo...
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Would be nice to have a low option 8.25+ besides mini-logo (unless I'm missing something).
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Why make an 8.25 low truck? I mean everybody else makes hi trucks. That must mean that there simply is no market for an low one. Right?
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If there were no market for low trucks then no one would buy Ventures and Thunders period.  Boards have bumped to 8.25 so now trucks have to....it makes sense to stick to their regular geometry like Thunder has.....

An 8.25 lo venture would be such a boss truck

I feel like it would fill that void for those who want a nice low and wide setup, like anyone remembered the old thunder 149er?

Those were such great trucks, they were legit 50mm tall or 49mm tall and around 8.25 or 8.38 wide,

These old ones

(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_45823_Thunder149HI_TeamPolish_FLG.jpg)

(http://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/604229/files/1032103/thunder-thunder-149-ii-hi-polished-trucks-set-of-2.jpg)

New ones/current version

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0879/1888/products/thunder-trucks-thunder-149-polished-high-skateboard-trucks.jpg?v=1491361084)

Here’s a review comparison, notice how the new 149 are taller and smoother and contoured

(http://www.rippedlaces.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/InstaTrucks.jpg)

The top one is the old 149er which I had and man they were nice and wide and low and felt great

Kinda heavy but I feel that’s the way venture should go if they do a 8.25 lo, basically a old thunder 149er

The low and wide helped get those fast backside 360 cause it would just pop and scoop up so fast but were so low and stable it stayed on your feet
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on March 29, 2019, 08:40:38 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 28, 2019, 01:30:58 PM
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Wonder if they'll go Hi or Lo.....hope they go Lo...
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Would be nice to have a low option 8.25+ besides mini-logo (unless I'm missing something).
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Why make an 8.25 low truck? I mean everybody else makes hi trucks. That must mean that there simply is no market for an low one. Right?
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If there were no market for low trucks then no one would buy Ventures and Thunders period.  Boards have bumped to 8.25 so now trucks have to....it makes sense to stick to their regular geometry like Thunder has.....


I tried to be sarcastic. ;D
Only low over 8" truck i know is ML.
Thunder 148 is a mid truck. On the low side. I have just been skatin them(hollow lights). They are good. But ML and venture low feel better for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 29, 2019, 10:11:47 AM
Quote from: ultrabra on March 29, 2019, 08:40:38 AM
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Wonder if they'll go Hi or Lo.....hope they go Lo...
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Would be nice to have a low option 8.25+ besides mini-logo (unless I'm missing something).
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Why make an 8.25 low truck? I mean everybody else makes hi trucks. That must mean that there simply is no market for an low one. Right?
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If there were no market for low trucks then no one would buy Ventures and Thunders period.  Boards have bumped to 8.25 so now trucks have to....it makes sense to stick to their regular geometry like Thunder has.....
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I tried to be sarcastic. ;D
Only low over 8" truck i know is ML.
Thunder 148 is a mid truck. On the low side. I have just been skatin them(hollow lights). They are good. But ML and venture low feel better for me.

ML are what 49mm? That's crazy at 8.38+ like the old school Thunder 149s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 29, 2019, 01:19:18 PM
Tensor make an 8.25 low in aluminum and magnesium.  The mag lows are 265g which is insane.

I know Tensors aren't everyone's cup of tea but I'd happily take them over Mini logo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TooManyPros on March 29, 2019, 02:15:20 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 29, 2019, 01:19:18 PM
Tensor make an 8.25 low in aluminum and magnesium.  The mag lows are 265g which is insane.

I know Tensors aren't everyone's cup of tea but I'd happily take them over Mini logo

That's the old geometry on the lows?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 29, 2019, 02:34:00 PM
Quote from: TooManyPros on March 29, 2019, 02:15:20 PM
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Tensor make an 8.25 low in aluminum and magnesium.  The mag lows are 265g which is insane.

I know Tensors aren't everyone's cup of tea but I'd happily take them over Mini logo
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That's the old geometry on the lows?

Well it's the "low" geometry which I don't think they plan on changing.  Their lows have always worked well.  it's just the highs that needed a change

I had some 8.25 lows last year on a setup.  surprisingly they actually turned decently
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 29, 2019, 03:03:38 PM
Wonder if they would do a new lo with revised geo, if that's even possible? I never rode the lows but I can't imagine they did anything but move in a straight line unless you rode them like Song.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 29, 2019, 05:07:57 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 29, 2019, 03:03:38 PM
Wonder if they would do a new lo with revised geo, if that's even possible? I never rode the lows but I can't imagine they did anything but move in a straight line unless you rode them like Song.

I can tell you all this, sorry Steve but tensor lows had to be some of the worse turning and anything low trucks I’ve skated, not as bad as silver and the cheap Chinese aluminum they use felt off, sorta like ace but ace are better obviously

They definitely need to revise that tensor lo

Mini logo I’d say are significantly better than tensor lo

I wanted to like them cause Daewon and Rodney rock them hard but I can legit see they’re probably the only ones riding them besides free styler, kids and those old school street guys who praise the low small old days

Maybe the magnesisums are more decent cause it’s magnesium rather than cheap aluminum but if you thought venture lows don’t turn, try tensor lo and you’ll never turn unless you daewon it and take a bushing out

Also last thing, they do that krux thing where they lean more than turn

In my opinion for any simple ole non kook skater, if you just want the best trucks

Thunder
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on March 30, 2019, 03:48:56 AM
Kind of funny that i forgot about Tensors when i earlier commented that only ML makes an low plus 8" truck. Especially since they are on my main setup ::)
But yeah, these don´t turn so much. I put the Tensors instead of my Tunders because the deck has an really long wheelbase.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SteveStuart on March 30, 2019, 08:26:29 AM
(https://imgshare.io/images/2019/03/30/IMG_6521.jpg)

I know I read on the forum here about not using risers with thunders but it looks like Ishod been rocking risers, must work for him...

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Larry Dallas on March 30, 2019, 08:28:37 AM
Why are people worrying about the turn on lows? Thats not what they’re made for.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 30, 2019, 08:29:18 AM
I've done 1/8 inch risers with forged thunders plenty of times. It's a little tall with cast plates though. Interesting that he's using risers now though, on 9Club he said "he never was a riser guy"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SteveStuart on March 30, 2019, 08:31:29 AM
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I've done 1/8 inch risers with forged thunders plenty of times. It's a little tall with cast plates though. Interesting that he's using risers now though, on 9Club he said "he never was a riser guy"

Ya! also this is the second setup that he's posted where I noticed the risers...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SteveStuart on March 30, 2019, 08:33:46 AM
(https://imgshare.io/images/2019/03/30/IMG_5871.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on March 30, 2019, 08:35:54 AM
Quote from: ultrabra on March 30, 2019, 03:48:56 AM
Kind of funny that i forgot about Tensors when i earlier commented that only ML makes an low plus 8" truck. Especially since they are on my main setup ::)
But yeah, these don´t turn so much. I put the Tensors instead of my Tunders because the deck has an really long wheelbase.

I thought the Tensor 5.5 was 8.125 (which it's listed as in various places), but I see now that's incorrect.

By the way, for anyone who's interested. The new Tensor ATG mag lights have the exact same wheelbase as my Thunder, it's just the baseplate that's about 3/8" longer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on March 30, 2019, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: Beeker on March 30, 2019, 08:35:54 AM
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Kind of funny that i forgot about Tensors when i earlier commented that only ML makes an low plus 8" truck. Especially since they are on my main setup ::)
But yeah, these don´t turn so much. I put the Tensors instead of my Tunders because the deck has an really long wheelbase.
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I thought the Tensor 5.5 was 8.125 (which it's listed as in various places), but I see now that's incorrect.

By the way, for anyone who's interested. The new Tensor ATG mag lights have the exact same wheelbase as my Thunder, it's just the baseplate that's about 3/8" longer.
The tens was like this, 8.18 i think, they changed to 8.25 for the new atv, so to low 5.5 are probably still 8.125/8.18
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on March 30, 2019, 11:58:26 AM
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Kind of funny that i forgot about Tensors when i earlier commented that only ML makes an low plus 8" truck. Especially since they are on my main setup ::)
But yeah, these don´t turn so much. I put the Tensors instead of my Tunders because the deck has an really long wheelbase.
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I thought the Tensor 5.5 was 8.125 (which it's listed as in various places), but I see now that's incorrect.

By the way, for anyone who's interested. The new Tensor ATG mag lights have the exact same wheelbase as my Thunder, it's just the baseplate that's about 3/8" longer.
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The tens was like this, 8.18 i think, they changed to 8.25 for the new atv, so to low 5.5 are probably still 8.125/8.18

Yea, my 5,5 tensors are 8,125 wide.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on March 30, 2019, 03:11:53 PM
Quote from: SteveStuart on March 30, 2019, 08:26:29 AM
(https://imgshare.io/images/2019/03/30/IMG_6521.jpg)

I know I read on the forum here about not using risers with thunders but it looks like Ishod been rocking risers, must work for him...

Thoughts?

If you check out Spitfire's main page at the moment they have a collage of Bobby De Keyzer photos, he's running some fairly hefty looking (1/4" or more) wooden risers under his cast Thunders. Looks like they're made from an old deck. Mind you his trucks are crazy loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on March 30, 2019, 03:12:13 PM
I just simply cannot understand how people nose/tailslide on thunders. I get nothing but wheel no matter what. Am I insane or does anyone else feel like this??
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SteveStuart on March 30, 2019, 03:35:05 PM
If you're new to thunders then it might take some getting used to but no problems

As long as you wax the vertical part of ledge/ curb or whatever where your wheels slide
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SteveStuart on March 30, 2019, 03:38:41 PM
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If you check out Spitfire's main page at the moment they have a collage of Bobby De Keyzer photos, he's running some fairly hefty looking (1/4" or more) wooden risers under his cast Thunders. Looks like they're made from an old deck. Mind you his trucks are crazy loose.

True! interesting!

Although it looks more like 1/8 or in bw 1/8 and 1/4?.....2 or 3 plys from a deck is what I see
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 30, 2019, 04:04:33 PM
Quote from: Bizarro Jerry on March 30, 2019, 03:12:13 PM
I just simply cannot understand how people nose/tailslide on thunders. I get nothing but wheel no matter what. Am I insane or does anyone else feel like this??


Just wax the side of the ledge and you’ll be good. Used to go crazy over the same thing myself but really all you need is some extra wax and you’re good
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on March 30, 2019, 04:13:39 PM
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Kind of funny that i forgot about Tensors when i earlier commented that only ML makes an low plus 8" truck. Especially since they are on my main setup ::)
But yeah, these don´t turn so much. I put the Tensors instead of my Tunders because the deck has an really long wheelbase.
[close]

I thought the Tensor 5.5 was 8.125 (which it's listed as in various places), but I see now that's incorrect.

By the way, for anyone who's interested. The new Tensor ATG mag lights have the exact same wheelbase as my Thunder, it's just the baseplate that's about 3/8" longer.
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The tens was like this, 8.18 i think, they changed to 8.25 for the new atv, so to low 5.5 are probably still 8.125/8.18
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Yea, my 5,5 tensors are 8,125 wide.

I have the new geometry 5.5 and can confirm those at 8.25 on the dot
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on March 30, 2019, 04:18:50 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on March 30, 2019, 04:04:33 PM
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I just simply cannot understand how people nose/tailslide on thunders. I get nothing but wheel no matter what. Am I insane or does anyone else feel like this??
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Just wax the side of the ledge and you’ll be good. Used to go crazy over the same thing myself but really all you need is some extra wax and you’re good


Just put a little

Makes sense, but I just hate the fact I have to wax everything I skate. When the baseplate is actually making contact like on my ventures it just feels so good. If thunders had this same feeling my truck crisis would be solved.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on March 30, 2019, 05:05:01 PM
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If you check out Spitfire's main page at the moment they have a collage of Bobby De Keyzer photos, he's running some fairly hefty looking (1/4" or more) wooden risers under his cast Thunders. Looks like they're made from an old deck. Mind you his trucks are crazy loose.
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True! interesting!

Although it looks more like 1/8 or in bw 1/8 and 1/4?.....2 or 3 plys from a deck is what I see

Could be. They look almost as thick as the baseplates in this pic.
http://spitfirewheels.com/bobby-dekeyzer-two-stroke/img/bobby-dekeyzer-005.jpg
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SneakySecrets on March 30, 2019, 05:17:44 PM
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I just simply cannot understand how people nose/tailslide on thunders. I get nothing but wheel no matter what. Am I insane or does anyone else feel like this??
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Just wax the side of the ledge and you’ll be good. Used to go crazy over the same thing myself but really all you need is some extra wax and you’re good


Just put a little
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Makes sense, but I just hate the fact I have to wax everything I skate. When the baseplate is actually making contact like on my ventures it just feels so good. If thunders had this same feeling my truck crisis would be solved.

Yep, join the club.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on March 30, 2019, 06:00:28 PM
Quote from: Bizarro Jerry on March 30, 2019, 03:12:13 PM
I just simply cannot understand how people nose/tailslide on thunders. I get nothing but wheel no matter what. Am I insane or does anyone else feel like this??

If you sit on your slides so that your board is angled upwards then your wheels won't rub. That's why I think a lot of people with proper ass noseslides don't have that problem with Thunder.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on March 30, 2019, 06:21:39 PM
Pig makes slotted 1/4" risers if you want to go that high without doubling up.  Also, if you slide them out towards the nose/tail you might even have a more slippery setup then Indy metal baseplate vs. ledge.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on March 30, 2019, 06:46:14 PM
Quote from: SneakySecrets on March 30, 2019, 05:17:44 PM
Quote from: Bizarro Jerry on March 30, 2019, 04:18:50 PM
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I just simply cannot understand how people nose/tailslide on thunders. I get nothing but wheel no matter what. Am I insane or does anyone else feel like this??
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Just wax the side of the ledge and you’ll be good. Used to go crazy over the same thing myself but really all you need is some extra wax and you’re good


Just put a little
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Makes sense, but I just hate the fact I have to wax everything I skate. When the baseplate is actually making contact like on my ventures it just feels so good. If thunders had this same feeling my truck crisis would be solved.
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Yep, join the club.

The portion of the baseplate closer to the axle does get scraped doing slides. But if both wheels touch when you place your nose/tail against the ledge, your wheels might be too big.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 30, 2019, 08:12:00 PM
Quote from: Larry Dallas on March 30, 2019, 08:28:37 AM
Why are people worrying about the turn on lows? Thats not what they’re made for.

Trucks are supposed to turn no matter low or hi, the point of low trucks was a better center of gravity feel and quicker response

Thunder 147 hi are like 50mm cast and 49mm tall forged, they can still turn very decently

Even Indy 139 low turn very good

You can’t serisouly think low trucks are made to go in a straight line only and that’s what low trucks are for, cause any truck can go in a straight line

Just buy bones hards or those hard black Indy cylinder bushings and crank it a thread or few past flush on some Indy standards you won’t be able to turn
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Larry Dallas on March 30, 2019, 10:27:23 PM
Quote from: rob on March 30, 2019, 08:12:00 PM
Quote from: Larry Dallas on March 30, 2019, 08:28:37 AM
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Why are people worrying about the turn on lows? Thats not what they’re made for.
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Trucks are supposed to turn no matter low or hi, the point of low trucks was a better center of gravity feel and quicker response

Thunder 147 hi are like 50mm cast and 49mm tall forged, they can still turn very decently

Even Indy 139 low turn very good

You can’t serisouly think low trucks are made to go in a straight line only and that’s what low trucks are for, cause any truck can go in a straight line

Just buy bones hards or those hard black Indy cylinder bushings and crank it a thread or few past flush on some Indy standards you won’t be able to turn
Shut the fuck up Rob.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Compl(i)ements on March 30, 2019, 10:57:01 PM
Anger is one outcome of being put in your place by the vast amount of knowledge unleashed on you about trucks from rob.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: B0udoir on March 31, 2019, 12:29:55 AM
Quote from: Bizarro Jerry on March 30, 2019, 03:12:13 PM
I just simply cannot understand how people nose/tailslide on thunders. I get nothing but wheel no matter what. Am I insane or does anyone else feel like this??

I learned noseslide on Thunders. Sure that it forces you to get the proper technique because there is less room for errors.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 31, 2019, 07:09:59 AM
Quote from: Larry Dallas on March 30, 2019, 10:27:23 PM
Quote from: rob on March 30, 2019, 08:12:00 PM
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Why are people worrying about the turn on lows? Thats not what they’re made for.
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Trucks are supposed to turn no matter low or hi, the point of low trucks was a better center of gravity feel and quicker response

Thunder 147 hi are like 50mm cast and 49mm tall forged, they can still turn very decently

Even Indy 139 low turn very good

You can’t serisouly think low trucks are made to go in a straight line only and that’s what low trucks are for, cause any truck can go in a straight line

Just buy bones hards or those hard black Indy cylinder bushings and crank it a thread or few past flush on some Indy standards you won’t be able to turn
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Shut the fuck up Rob.

NO. Your gay!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 31, 2019, 07:26:04 AM
Quote from: Larry Dallas on March 30, 2019, 10:27:23 PM
Quote from: rob on March 30, 2019, 08:12:00 PM
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Quote from: Larry Dallas on March 30, 2019, 08:28:37 AM
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Why are people worrying about the turn on lows? Thats not what they’re made for.
[close]

Trucks are supposed to turn no matter low or hi, the point of low trucks was a better center of gravity feel and quicker response

Thunder 147 hi are like 50mm cast and 49mm tall forged, they can still turn very decently

Even Indy 139 low turn very good

You can’t serisouly think low trucks are made to go in a straight line only and that’s what low trucks are for, cause any truck can go in a straight line

Just buy bones hards or those hard black Indy cylinder bushings and crank it a thread or few past flush on some Indy standards you won’t be able to turn
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Shut the fuck up Rob.

All i know is that I had Tensor 5.5 lo's and was able to carve up a flow bowl with no problem and then I watched a friend do two 15ft long slappies on a curb with them first try.  maybe you had your's cranked down.  you seem to ride tight trucks but I just left them stock and they turned just fine (for a low truck)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 31, 2019, 07:54:50 AM
Some trucks turn better than others, and it's to some degree subjective....

PS....we're all gay.....for trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SneakySecrets on March 31, 2019, 08:12:00 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 31, 2019, 07:54:50 AM
PS....we're all gay.....for trucks.

Now that would make a good t-shirt.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Larry Dallas on March 31, 2019, 08:59:09 AM
Quote from: rob on March 31, 2019, 07:09:59 AM
Quote from: Larry Dallas on March 30, 2019, 10:27:23 PM
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Quote from: rob on March 30, 2019, 08:12:00 PM
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Quote from: Larry Dallas on March 30, 2019, 08:28:37 AM
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Why are people worrying about the turn on lows? Thats not what they’re made for.
[close]

Trucks are supposed to turn no matter low or hi, the point of low trucks was a better center of gravity feel and quicker response

Thunder 147 hi are like 50mm cast and 49mm tall forged, they can still turn very decently

Even Indy 139 low turn very good

You can’t serisouly think low trucks are made to go in a straight line only and that’s what low trucks are for, cause any truck can go in a straight line

Just buy bones hards or those hard black Indy cylinder bushings and crank it a thread or few past flush on some Indy standards you won’t be able to turn
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Shut the fuck up Rob.
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NO. Your gay!
That’s not ok Rob.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on March 31, 2019, 11:42:10 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 31, 2019, 07:54:50 AM
Some trucks turn better than others, and it's to some degree subjective....

PS....we're all gay.....for trucks.

some trucks ollie better than others.  and by some trucks I mean Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 01, 2019, 01:28:54 AM
I’m the gayest for trucks! I’ve always been gay for trucks

That does need to be a slap exclusive shirt

We need to send Ben some tensor lows so he can give us the final verdict one of these Saturday’s

I’ll send him my tensors if he wants, I don’t want them anymore and he can tell us how he feels about them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on April 01, 2019, 07:38:55 AM
I like bens truck reviews.

Truck Madness has not hit me for some months now. I feel like saying it out loud is just me accepting that it will be here soon.

(In saying this, in the last week, "out of curiosity ", I looked at venture, thunder, and even tensor websites)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on April 02, 2019, 06:50:03 PM
I put some Indy Stage 11 149 hangers on my Ace hi classics baseplates today for the first time. Used the black cylinder Indy bushings on ‘em. They turn so snappy and deep compared to the Indy plates. So for those that are OCD about Ace’s lack of 149 size, just throw some Indy hangers on the baseplates and you will have a truck that turns like a dream. A little bit more reassurance of stronger axles too, since Ace still hasn’t gotten their bending under control.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on April 02, 2019, 07:37:31 PM
Quote from: fang on April 01, 2019, 07:38:55 AM
I like bens truck reviews.

Truck Madness has not hit me for some months now. I feel like saying it out loud is just me accepting that it will be here soon.

(In saying this, in the last week, "out of curiosity ", I looked at venture, thunder, and even tensor websites)

I have literally never had truck madness until deciding to size down, I thought about the major three and somehow ended up on tensors. I don’t know who I am anymore but my board is nice and light
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on April 03, 2019, 04:36:06 AM
Every time I've skated Venture's I've had nothing but bad experiences/a shitty time yet something still makes me want to pick up an 8" deck, some Venture low's and a set of 50mm wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Torre on April 03, 2019, 09:03:53 AM
Hey what ever happened to Theeve trucks? I still see them for sale in some online stores but it seems like people used to love them and now no one talks about them anymore
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TooManyPros on April 03, 2019, 02:55:28 PM
Ti Ventures at SW (only 8")

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Venture_V-Titanium_High_Truck/descpage-VTTLHTR.html

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 03, 2019, 11:22:23 PM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on April 03, 2019, 04:36:06 AM
Every time I've skated Venture's I've had nothing but bad experiences/a shitty time yet something still makes me want to pick up an 8" deck, some Venture low's and a set of 50mm wheels.

I have it too...thank god they appear to be hi's.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on April 03, 2019, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on April 03, 2019, 04:36:06 AM
Every time I've skated Venture's I've had nothing but bad experiences/a shitty time yet something still makes me want to pick up an 8" deck, some Venture low's and a set of 50mm wheels.

I have been wanting to get some 8.5" Ventures but, I really want to cash out and get a 7.75 or 8 christmas complete
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 04, 2019, 01:47:33 AM
Trust me guys, going back to an 8” esque size with a moderate cupsole

Oh the days of flip tricks are back

And it’s easier to Ollie up, over and across things

Very fun

Currently with my 7.9 aws and dunk lows
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on April 04, 2019, 06:41:00 AM
Switching from Indy to Thunder I can definitely feel some difference between how they slide. The thing is I can do fs tails a lot more consistently now and they slide for the most part while bs tails and bs nose slides feel harder to slide as long as before. It's definitely more of a mental thing as I have it in my head that the wheels will touch. Tyler Bledsoe made the switch and I don't see him having an issue.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on April 04, 2019, 07:16:26 AM
2:14 for those still concerned about Thunders sliding

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-MlDfmGlJE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-MlDfmGlJE)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on April 04, 2019, 03:11:12 PM
For people who went from Indy to Thunder or Venture- did you like the switch and which one did you chose?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeakmeek on April 04, 2019, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on April 04, 2019, 03:11:12 PM
For people who went from Indy to Thunder or Venture- did you like the switch and which one did you chose?

i've skated ace 03's, venture 5.2 lows, and thunder 147 highs.

Thunder 147 highs are kind of a low truck despite the label. They turn pretty sharply, yet feel pretty damn stable. They slide pretty well, i didn't have any trouble locking into slides. Urethane AND BASEPLATE will make contact with ledges when doing slides, therefore slowing down your slide a bit.  I don't experience that much wheel bite with thunders compared to venture.

I started off skating ventures and have been skating them for a while now.Venture los are more prone to wheel bite, at least in my experience with 50mm wheels, compared to thunders. They're stable and snappy but don't turn as deep as thunders. They can turn as the stock bushings are soft, but the arc of the turn isn't very deep. I like how the baseplate makes contact with ledges when sliding with these trucks, and it's ultimately the reason why I prefer ventures over thunder.





Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on April 04, 2019, 04:54:57 PM
Idk, as much as I want to like Thunders the lack of baseplate contact just does it for me. I don't want to wax everything I want to nose/tailslide. Besides, my Ventures are pretty much perfect for me once I throw on some indy super soft white bushings (and add an extra washer on the inside for a little more truck).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 04, 2019, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on April 04, 2019, 03:11:12 PM
For people who went from Indy to Thunder or Venture- did you like the switch and which one did you chose?

Thunders cause they’re just so responsive and versatile, the way they are stable but quick makes them sooo good

Did you guys know hard luck makes bushings now?

I was looking for some hard Indy bushings and stumbled upon them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: aaronagis on April 05, 2019, 01:06:07 AM
I've never felt the need to put as much thought into my trucks as some of you guys do. I keep it simple, Indy 149s with bones bushings, and try and skate the same set as long as possible. Hasn't done me wrtog yet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Italianshredder96 on April 05, 2019, 03:51:30 AM
Quote from: Bizarro Jerry on April 04, 2019, 04:54:57 PM
Idk, as much as I want to like Thunders the lack of baseplate contact just does it for me. I don't want to wax everything I want to nose/tailslide. Besides, my Ventures are pretty much perfect for me once I throw on some indy super soft white bushings (and add an extra washer on the inside for a little more truck).

The other big issue is how much they extend the wb, pretty much anything above is 14.25 is too damn long. Dunno about venture tho.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: B0udoir on April 05, 2019, 06:09:57 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on April 04, 2019, 03:11:12 PM
For people who went from Indy to Thunder or Venture- did you like the switch and which one did you chose?

Personally it's more complex. For my 8.25 "tech" setup I definitely prefer the responsiveness and  "pinch" feeling of Thunders, but for my 8.75 bowl/cruise setup, I prefer Indy's for the confortable and deep turn they provide.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chanel West Coast on April 05, 2019, 08:23:45 AM
After skating all 3 multiple times, I've stuck with thunders.  I put a 1/8th inch riser on them for height preference but even without the riser I prefer them.  Here's my personal rank/review, keep in mind I skate ledges, mannys, and bowls occasionally.
and since we are insane here on slap and Im influenced by others, I'll put some people after whos skating persuaded me to try each truck in the first place.

1.) Thunders - Their stupid tagline "know control" does ring true, I've stuck with thunders because they feel the most solid all around.  I feel like I can always direct my board where I want it to go and it is very predictable, where-as with other trucks I feel phantom movements or it doesnt maneuver as quickly as preferred.  The baseplate not hitting on tailslides/noseslides got in my head for awhile, but some of the best tech skaters in the world skate thunders so I dont think it is actually an issue just a mental thing.  Ishod, BDK, Dylan, The past 3 SOTYS.

2.) Ventures - My second choice, ventures have a much slower turn, but feel incredible stable when skating ledges or doing manuals.  I notice the turn isnt as deep as some other trucks (when rounding a corner I might have to life my truck to turn comfortably) but with bones bushings or a conical bushing on the bottom it turns a lot better.  I initially skated some ventures after watching a bunch of old LOVE footage and flipping through old mags seeing AVE and Oyola skating them, but eventually the slow turn, and where the trucks sit over the baseplate made me try something else.  Stevie williams, Bobby worrest, Prod, westgate.

3.)Independent - Right off the bat I'll admit I like them equally the same as ventures, but because of the socal jock marketing behind indy Im gonna rank them below.  Everyone's go to truck, but I personally have never loved them. The first two weeks (in which everyone usually hates them) felt the best for me because they felt responsive and fine tuned, but as soon as they broke in they were too unpredictable to me.  I would be rolling up to a ledge and bend down and not feel stable on my board, sometimes having it swerve or turn.  They are a decent truck of course but I just couldnt feel comfortable trying tech stuff, which is what I like to do.  Tiago, hjalte, Ave, Louie Lopez.

This review probably does nothing for anyone but since we are already 168 pages deep and people are still talking about baseplates on ledges, I figured I would chime in with my two cents.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chanel West Coast on April 05, 2019, 08:27:43 AM
Also, just to reiterate how mental all this bullshit is, I like a tall truck and a 54 because I feel like it helps you get the most pop while still being able to skate fast.  But on Westgates 9 club he says he skates venture lows and 51 rictas  :o how the fuck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on April 05, 2019, 08:53:18 AM
Quote from: Chanel West Coast on April 05, 2019, 08:23:45 AM
After skating all 3 multiple times, I've stuck with thunders.  I put a 1/8th inch riser on them for height preference but even without the riser I prefer them.  Here's my personal rank/review, keep in mind I skate ledges, mannys, and bowls occasionally.
and since we are insane here on slap and Im influenced by others, I'll put some people after whos skating persuaded me to try each truck in the first place.

1.) Thunders - Their stupid tagline "know control" does ring true, I've stuck with thunders because they feel the most solid all around.  I feel like I can always direct my board where I want it to go and it is very predictable, where-as with other trucks I feel phantom movements or it doesnt maneuver as quickly as preferred.  The baseplate not hitting on tailslides/noseslides got in my head for awhile, but some of the best tech skaters in the world skate thunders so I dont think it is actually an issue just a mental thing.  Ishod, BDK, Dylan, The past 3 SOTYS.

2.) Ventures - My second choice, ventures have a much slower turn, but feel incredible stable when skating ledges or doing manuals.  I notice the turn isnt as deep as some other trucks (when rounding a corner I might have to life my truck to turn comfortably) but with bones bushings or a conical bushing on the bottom it turns a lot better.  I initially skated some ventures after watching a bunch of old LOVE footage and flipping through old mags seeing AVE and Oyola skating them, but eventually the slow turn, and where the trucks sit over the baseplate made me try something else.  Stevie williams, Bobby worrest, Prod, westgate.

3.)Independent - Right off the bat I'll admit I like them equally the same as ventures, but because of the socal jock marketing behind indy Im gonna rank them below.  Everyone's go to truck, but I personally have never loved them. The first two weeks (in which everyone usually hates them) felt the best for me because they felt responsive and fine tuned, but as soon as they broke in they were too unpredictable to me.  I would be rolling up to a ledge and bend down and not feel stable on my board, sometimes having it swerve or turn.  They are a decent truck of course but I just couldnt feel comfortable trying tech stuff, which is what I like to do.  Tiago, hjalte, Ave, Louie Lopez.

This review probably does nothing for anyone but since we are already 168 pages deep and people are still talking about baseplates on ledges, I figured I would chime in with my two cents.
I love this
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Arto Saari on April 05, 2019, 09:00:13 AM
Whats the deal with after market pivot cups? Im tempted to buy some just based on the fact that I like the idea of tuned trucks and I have always skated my trucks stock. In all honesty though, Doesn't everything just feel the same eventually? Once I get used to something, I skate exactly how I always have. I had a set of Ace's before the ventures hi's Im riding now and as much as I loved them, I like the ventures just as much. Ill probably be bouncing between venture and Ace (after they fix their QC) based solely on the fact that I like the hanger design of those two brands from an aesthetic standpoint. No matter how good people say thunders are, I wont buy them because I don't like how they look. All the other big brands have some sort of contour on the hanger that gives them their signature look, while thunders look like tech deck trucks to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Daniel on April 05, 2019, 09:30:13 AM
Went from Thunder, Indy, Ace, and now venture. I agree, you'll get used to anything and eventually skate however you did with old/new setups. Truck madness is just an illusion.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Compl(i)ements on April 05, 2019, 10:19:48 AM
Quote from: Daniel on April 05, 2019, 09:30:13 AM
Went from Thunder, Indy, Ace, and now venture. I agree, you'll get used to anything and eventually skate however you did with old/new setups. Truck madness is just an illusion.
Your fucking face is an Illusion Daniel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 05, 2019, 01:10:37 PM
Quote from: Arto Saari on April 05, 2019, 09:00:13 AM
Whats the deal with after market pivot cups? Im tempted to buy some just based on the fact that I like the idea of tuned trucks and I have always skated my trucks stock. In all honesty though, Doesn't everything just feel the same eventually? Once I get used to something, I skate exactly how I always have. I had a set of Ace's before the ventures hi's Im riding now and as much as I loved them, I like the ventures just as much. Ill probably be bouncing between venture and Ace (after they fix their QC) based solely on the fact that I like the hanger design of those two brands from an aesthetic standpoint. No matter how good people say thunders are, I wont buy them because I don't like how they look. All the other big brands have some sort of contour on the hanger that gives them their signature look, while thunders look like tech deck trucks to me.

Like aftermarket bushings, some aftermarket pivot cups are made with better materials which can lead to increased longevity and possibly better feel (some don't notice or don't care to notice); longevity would be more important to me (I switched to pricey aftermarket cups when riding aces as I would rip through pivot cups like crazy).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on April 05, 2019, 01:33:11 PM
Quote from: Chanel West Coast on April 05, 2019, 08:23:45 AM
After skating all 3 multiple times, I've stuck with thunders.  I put a 1/8th inch riser on them for height preference but even without the riser I prefer them.  Here's my personal rank/review, keep in mind I skate ledges, mannys, and bowls occasionally.
and since we are insane here on slap and Im influenced by others, I'll put some people after whos skating persuaded me to try each truck in the first place.

1.) Thunders - Their stupid tagline "know control" does ring true, I've stuck with thunders because they feel the most solid all around.  I feel like I can always direct my board where I want it to go and it is very predictable, where-as with other trucks I feel phantom movements or it doesnt maneuver as quickly as preferred.  The baseplate not hitting on tailslides/noseslides got in my head for awhile, but some of the best tech skaters in the world skate thunders so I dont think it is actually an issue just a mental thing.  Ishod, BDK, Dylan, The past 3 SOTYS.

2.) Ventures - My second choice, ventures have a much slower turn, but feel incredible stable when skating ledges or doing manuals.  I notice the turn isnt as deep as some other trucks (when rounding a corner I might have to life my truck to turn comfortably) but with bones bushings or a conical bushing on the bottom it turns a lot better.  I initially skated some ventures after watching a bunch of old LOVE footage and flipping through old mags seeing AVE and Oyola skating them, but eventually the slow turn, and where the trucks sit over the baseplate made me try something else.  Stevie williams, Bobby worrest, Prod, westgate.

3.)Independent - Right off the bat I'll admit I like them equally the same as ventures, but because of the socal jock marketing behind indy Im gonna rank them below.  Everyone's go to truck, but I personally have never loved them. The first two weeks (in which everyone usually hates them) felt the best for me because they felt responsive and fine tuned, but as soon as they broke in they were too unpredictable to me.  I would be rolling up to a ledge and bend down and not feel stable on my board, sometimes having it swerve or turn.  They are a decent truck of course but I just couldnt feel comfortable trying tech stuff, which is what I like to do.  Tiago, hjalte, Ave, Louie Lopez.

This review probably does nothing for anyone but since we are already 168 pages deep and people are still talking about baseplates on ledges, I figured I would chime in with my two cents.

Good write up. 👍 Just left me thinking, what sizes were you skating? Thunder 147s vs. 148s, 149s & 151s are very different. And in general too, wider trucks perform differently to narrower ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on April 05, 2019, 07:13:23 PM
Quote from: Roisto on April 05, 2019, 01:33:11 PM
Quote from: Chanel West Coast on April 05, 2019, 08:23:45 AM
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After skating all 3 multiple times, I've stuck with thunders.  I put a 1/8th inch riser on them for height preference but even without the riser I prefer them.  Here's my personal rank/review, keep in mind I skate ledges, mannys, and bowls occasionally.
and since we are insane here on slap and Im influenced by others, I'll put some people after whos skating persuaded me to try each truck in the first place.

1.) Thunders - Their stupid tagline "know control" does ring true, I've stuck with thunders because they feel the most solid all around.  I feel like I can always direct my board where I want it to go and it is very predictable, where-as with other trucks I feel phantom movements or it doesnt maneuver as quickly as preferred.  The baseplate not hitting on tailslides/noseslides got in my head for awhile, but some of the best tech skaters in the world skate thunders so I dont think it is actually an issue just a mental thing.  Ishod, BDK, Dylan, The past 3 SOTYS.

2.) Ventures - My second choice, ventures have a much slower turn, but feel incredible stable when skating ledges or doing manuals.  I notice the turn isnt as deep as some other trucks (when rounding a corner I might have to life my truck to turn comfortably) but with bones bushings or a conical bushing on the bottom it turns a lot better.  I initially skated some ventures after watching a bunch of old LOVE footage and flipping through old mags seeing AVE and Oyola skating them, but eventually the slow turn, and where the trucks sit over the baseplate made me try something else.  Stevie williams, Bobby worrest, Prod, westgate.

3.)Independent - Right off the bat I'll admit I like them equally the same as ventures, but because of the socal jock marketing behind indy Im gonna rank them below.  Everyone's go to truck, but I personally have never loved them. The first two weeks (in which everyone usually hates them) felt the best for me because they felt responsive and fine tuned, but as soon as they broke in they were too unpredictable to me.  I would be rolling up to a ledge and bend down and not feel stable on my board, sometimes having it swerve or turn.  They are a decent truck of course but I just couldnt feel comfortable trying tech stuff, which is what I like to do.  Tiago, hjalte, Ave, Louie Lopez.

This review probably does nothing for anyone but since we are already 168 pages deep and people are still talking about baseplates on ledges, I figured I would chime in with my two cents.
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Good write up. 👍 Just left me thinking, what sizes were you skating? Thunder 147s vs. 148s, 149s & 151s are very different. And in general too, wider trucks perform differently to narrower ones.

I may call some of those love park names into question though. I remember seeing Indy’s at love under those skaters. I believe there’s film of that. Leaving love later got footage on ventures.   

Josh Kalis was Awake since day one...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeakmeek on April 05, 2019, 08:20:14 PM
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After skating all 3 multiple times, I've stuck with thunders.  I put a 1/8th inch riser on them for height preference but even without the riser I prefer them.  Here's my personal rank/review, keep in mind I skate ledges, mannys, and bowls occasionally.
and since we are insane here on slap and Im influenced by others, I'll put some people after whos skating persuaded me to try each truck in the first place.

1.) Thunders - Their stupid tagline "know control" does ring true, I've stuck with thunders because they feel the most solid all around.  I feel like I can always direct my board where I want it to go and it is very predictable, where-as with other trucks I feel phantom movements or it doesnt maneuver as quickly as preferred.  The baseplate not hitting on tailslides/noseslides got in my head for awhile, but some of the best tech skaters in the world skate thunders so I dont think it is actually an issue just a mental thing.  Ishod, BDK, Dylan, The past 3 SOTYS.

2.) Ventures - My second choice, ventures have a much slower turn, but feel incredible stable when skating ledges or doing manuals.  I notice the turn isnt as deep as some other trucks (when rounding a corner I might have to life my truck to turn comfortably) but with bones bushings or a conical bushing on the bottom it turns a lot better.  I initially skated some ventures after watching a bunch of old LOVE footage and flipping through old mags seeing AVE and Oyola skating them, but eventually the slow turn, and where the trucks sit over the baseplate made me try something else.  Stevie williams, Bobby worrest, Prod, westgate.

3.)Independent - Right off the bat I'll admit I like them equally the same as ventures, but because of the socal jock marketing behind indy Im gonna rank them below.  Everyone's go to truck, but I personally have never loved them. The first two weeks (in which everyone usually hates them) felt the best for me because they felt responsive and fine tuned, but as soon as they broke in they were too unpredictable to me.  I would be rolling up to a ledge and bend down and not feel stable on my board, sometimes having it swerve or turn.  They are a decent truck of course but I just couldnt feel comfortable trying tech stuff, which is what I like to do.  Tiago, hjalte, Ave, Louie Lopez.

This review probably does nothing for anyone but since we are already 168 pages deep and people are still talking about baseplates on ledges, I figured I would chime in with my two cents.
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Good write up. 👍 Just left me thinking, what sizes were you skating? Thunder 147s vs. 148s, 149s & 151s are very different. And in general too, wider trucks perform differently to narrower ones.
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I may call some of those love park names into question though. I remember seeing Indy’s at love under those skaters. I believe there’s film of that. Leaving love later got footage on ventures.   

Josh Kalis was Awake since day one...

I think kalis skates thunders now
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chanel West Coast on April 05, 2019, 11:06:20 PM
I was skating stock 149s in thunder and indys, and 5.8 in ventures.


Maybe ricky was skating indys, but pretty sure most of those dudes were on ventures.  Regaurdless, I was moreso inspired by when you look at an old mag or video and see dudes skating ventures with like 56’s, its such a distinct look and it got me juiced enough to go get some, in the same way that bobby part did last week.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 06, 2019, 12:16:10 AM
Pretty sure Ricky is best known for riding z-rollers....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on April 06, 2019, 07:46:43 PM
I've been trying out those new Tensor mag lights for a few weeks. Today in an effort to get a better turn and feel I tried replacing the bushings with my beloved ace bushings. Only the bottom bushing fit, (the top tensor bushing is the only one that 'interlocks' anyways) but it was a massive success. Much improved turn and feel. Now it feels just like a high, super light Thunder, with 3/8" more baseplate clearance. The funny part is that the two Tensor bottom bushings are about 2mm height difference... so dumb.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on April 06, 2019, 09:36:27 PM
Radrat inspired the GK comeback, and now it's time for a closer look...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsNfydyN3ew

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bv1uSO6l762/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: StroudMears on April 07, 2019, 04:04:02 AM
Quote from: Beeker on April 06, 2019, 07:46:43 PM
I've been trying out those new Tensor mag lights for a few weeks. Today in an effort to get a better turn and feel I tried replacing the bushings with my beloved ace bushings. Only the bottom bushing fit, (the top tensor bushing is the only one that 'interlocks' anyways) but it was a massive success. Much improved turn and feel. Now it feels just like a high, super light Thunder, with 3/8" more baseplate clearance. The funny part is that the two Tensor bottom bushings are about 2mm height difference... so dumb.
I have now been skating these for about a week daily. So I got some time to get used to them and soften up the bushings a bit. I think they are fantastic. Easily the best truck I've ever skated. Most noticeable difference for me is the way they grind. I skated a couple crumbled stone benches and it's very smooth. I do think they will wear down faster, and I am not convinced they will not break at some point. If they don't it's pretty much a perfect truck for me. I ride my trucks not too loose, not too tight, and the nut is flush with the kingpin. So out of the box maybe not for people who ride their trucks very loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chanel West Coast on April 07, 2019, 08:42:02 AM
Quote from: franquietits on April 06, 2019, 09:36:27 PM
Radrat inspired the GK comeback, and now it's time for a closer look...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsNfydyN3ew

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bv1uSO6l762/

Just ripping off sternum trucks' jokes and beating them into the ground.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on April 07, 2019, 12:06:02 PM
There’s been a lot of positive feedback about those new magnesium Tensors. I just saw a YouTube video of a guy praising them as well. No matter what color, even the “raw”...they look so ugly. But the lightest truck on the market (maybe besides the TiH) along with a smoother grind and possibly? just as good of a turn as Indy/Ace from what I’m reading? Makes my truck madness come back and want to try something new. What do you guys think? I’m 210lbs, beat my trucks up and do lots of slappies. Think they’ll hold up?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on April 07, 2019, 06:51:41 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on April 07, 2019, 12:06:02 PM
There’s been a lot of positive feedback about those new magnesium Tensors. I just saw a YouTube video of a guy praising them as well. No matter what color, even the “raw”...they look so ugly. But the lightest truck on the market (maybe besides the TiH) along with a smoother grind and possibly? just as good of a turn as Indy/Ace from what I’m reading? Makes my truck madness come back and want to try something new. What do you guys think? I’m 210lbs, beat my trucks up and do lots of slappies. Think they’ll hold up?

If you saw the video with the guy with the southern accent I did too and that basically sold me. About 200 pounds here so I’ll see how they hold up for me, only had three sessions and haven’t skated any curbs. Grinds feel smoother but I agree with you that even the silver is pretty ugly. They turn just fine, I put riptide pivot cups in and have some bones mediums on deck just Incase but haven’t had an issue with turns
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on April 08, 2019, 07:00:46 AM
Haha yeah that’s the video. He claims they turn better than all trucks, including Ace, which I doubt. But maybe I’ll give them a shot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on April 08, 2019, 09:02:07 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on April 08, 2019, 07:00:46 AM
Haha yeah that’s the video. He claims they turn better than all trucks, including Ace, which I doubt. But maybe I’ll give them a shot.

What is better exactly? They don't turn or feel like Ace so it's impossible to say. Once I changed the bottom bushing they feel exactly like Thunders, no better or worse, very sharp and responsive, but stable on center. I thought the stock bushings felt like shit, but I only gave them two weeks.

Also you have to ask yourself... how light is too light? The wind definitely effects things more and while the foot drag is easier, the pop feels different. Having weight on your nose gives you a nice solid weighty pop feel, which lacks with these. I almost just wish they were just slightly lighter than my Thunder hollow lights.

Anyways, besides looking dumb they are good trucks, not the end all be all, just another good option.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TooManyPros on April 08, 2019, 11:16:54 AM
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There’s been a lot of positive feedback about those new magnesium Tensors. I just saw a YouTube video of a guy praising them as well. No matter what color, even the “raw”...they look so ugly. But the lightest truck on the market (maybe besides the TiH) along with a smoother grind and possibly? just as good of a turn as Indy/Ace from what I’m reading? Makes my truck madness come back and want to try something new. What do you guys think? I’m 210lbs, beat my trucks up and do lots of slappies. Think they’ll hold up?
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If you saw the video with the guy with the southern accent I did too and that basically sold me. About 200 pounds here so I’ll see how they hold up for me, only had three sessions and haven’t skated any curbs. Grinds feel smoother but I agree with you that even the silver is pretty ugly. They turn just fine, I put riptide pivot cups in and have some bones mediums on deck just Incase but haven’t had an issue with turns

Where is the link to this brand-changing truck video? =D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on April 08, 2019, 12:21:55 PM
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There’s been a lot of positive feedback about those new magnesium Tensors. I just saw a YouTube video of a guy praising them as well. No matter what color, even the “raw”...they look so ugly. But the lightest truck on the market (maybe besides the TiH) along with a smoother grind and possibly? just as good of a turn as Indy/Ace from what I’m reading? Makes my truck madness come back and want to try something new. What do you guys think? I’m 210lbs, beat my trucks up and do lots of slappies. Think they’ll hold up?
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If you saw the video with the guy with the southern accent I did too and that basically sold me. About 200 pounds here so I’ll see how they hold up for me, only had three sessions and haven’t skated any curbs. Grinds feel smoother but I agree with you that even the silver is pretty ugly. They turn just fine, I put riptide pivot cups in and have some bones mediums on deck just Incase but haven’t had an issue with turns
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Where is the link to this brand-changing truck video? =D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7xV57ZKIyM
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TooManyPros on April 08, 2019, 01:24:44 PM
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There’s been a lot of positive feedback about those new magnesium Tensors. I just saw a YouTube video of a guy praising them as well. No matter what color, even the “raw”...they look so ugly. But the lightest truck on the market (maybe besides the TiH) along with a smoother grind and possibly? just as good of a turn as Indy/Ace from what I’m reading? Makes my truck madness come back and want to try something new. What do you guys think? I’m 210lbs, beat my trucks up and do lots of slappies. Think they’ll hold up?
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If you saw the video with the guy with the southern accent I did too and that basically sold me. About 200 pounds here so I’ll see how they hold up for me, only had three sessions and haven’t skated any curbs. Grinds feel smoother but I agree with you that even the silver is pretty ugly. They turn just fine, I put riptide pivot cups in and have some bones mediums on deck just Incase but haven’t had an issue with turns
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Where is the link to this brand-changing truck video? =D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7xV57ZKIyM

He didn't sell me. He sounded like the culmination of this truck thread regarding, pinch and pop which would normally convince some people but I'm not buying it.

The painted ones (are those the Zered ones?) look way better than the silvers tho.

Indys >
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on April 08, 2019, 06:02:13 PM
yea indys are the best by default…amazing how indys are the absolute standard yet nobody else has made anything better. they're either uglier or weaker or turn worse etc. i'm actually upset about this. i don't want to ride indys. everyone else rides indys. but what other choice do i have?  ace? they break too easily. theeve? too obscure and the stock bushings are too hard and the hanger is too restrictive. venture? thunder? tensor? silver etc? ugly and uninteresting. you might want trucks that are good at one thing, whatever it may be, but if they're not good at anything else, is that really a good truck? do you really want to switch out your trucks everytime you ride something else? do you really want trucks that turn real good but break the second you do slappys? it would be great if ace got their shit together and got rid of the shitty soft aluminums and the constant thickening/uglifying of the hanger and the bigger pivots that supposedly help with damage in that area but actually only make it weaker and harder to find replacement cups, but until then, indys are the best by default, and i have no pride in riding them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on April 08, 2019, 07:17:51 PM
Quote from: Compl(i)ements on April 08, 2019, 06:10:10 PM
You just said you wanted something as good but dismissed the rest as ugly.... I think indys are ugly, I also think thunders are ugly too. Many trucks are good at a bunch of different things it's not 2005 where each truck is cut and dry and indy is miles ahead. Plus the strawman "why would you want trucks good at one thing?" nobody wants that. Everybody is on the hunt for the holy grail truck in this thread.
they're ugly…and uninteresting. meaning the general consensus of what the trucks are good for and how good they are, don't seem as good or desirable as indys. and how they look is a very important thing. i don't want to spend money on something i already know i won't be satisfied with, just by looking at it.
“nobody wants that” obviously. it's a rhetorical question. the point is that indys are good at most things, while most others are only better than indy at one thing. 
“many trucks are good at a bunch of different things” yeah, but their ugly. semi objectively. and they probably don't do most things better than indy. and they're probably harder to get. and they probably don't have enough sizes. if there is, tell me a truck that is better than indy on all fronts.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on April 08, 2019, 08:06:48 PM
I usually waffle between Thunder and Venture. Just tried Indys for a few weeks and found them to be fun to ride around on overall but mushy and unresponsive when locking into grinds, especially crooks. I slipped into noseslide constantly on them. They also felt too unstable for me when trying to thread narrow lines in skateparks but maybe I’m just terrible at skating.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on April 08, 2019, 08:25:42 PM
Ace and Thunder are the best at what they are trying to do IMO. Indy are a nice compromise and if there's ever a Stage 12 I'll likely try it but if I want to turn quick and deep in the bowl, nothing beats Ace and if I want a stable yet snappy response on street, Thunders are great.


If Ace ever make a truck between 44s and 55s, that might be the truck I skate to my grave.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on April 08, 2019, 09:06:29 PM
Quote from: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on April 08, 2019, 08:25:42 PM
Ace and Thunder are the best at what they are trying to do IMO. Indy are a nice compromise and if there's ever a Stage 12 I'll likely try it but if I want to turn quick and deep in the bowl, nothing beats Ace and if I want a stable yet snappy response on street, Thunders are great.


If Ace ever make a truck between 44s and 55s, that might be the truck I skate to my grave.

Try the Ace baseplate with an Indy hanger.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 08, 2019, 09:25:46 PM
Quote from: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on April 08, 2019, 08:25:42 PM
Ace and Thunder are the best at what they are trying to do IMO. Indy are a nice compromise and if there's ever a Stage 12 I'll likely try it but if I want to turn quick and deep in the bowl, nothing beats Ace and if I want a stable yet snappy response on street, Thunders are great.


If Ace ever make a truck between 44s and 55s, that might be the truck I skate to my grave.

My madness is really this. ACE on one end and Thunder on the other and I agree, Indy (and subsequently, Theeve) are right there in the middle if you want something that does it all 'good enough' without going crazy on pinch/pop/baseplate slide/grindage. It comes down to feel too and not just turning.

I've been riding forged hollow 144s for the past three weeks (new Ace regs bottoms/Ace low tops bushings /riptides) and have somehow not thought about swapping them out after I switched over from theeve (just couldn't get theeves loose enough without using bones softs and entering wheelbite hell).

If indy ever drops that low we've been hearing about (and if it's snappier), or thunder releases that extended baseplate things will get heated again!

For now I'm in the indy/bones ezstreets combo.

But seriously, the ACE bushings really do get indys singing (due to the break in, I am sure you could get the same feeling out of indy aftermarkets if you followed through the break in).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 09, 2019, 12:27:17 AM
Quote from: Xen on April 08, 2019, 09:25:46 PM
Quote from: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on April 08, 2019, 08:25:42 PM
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Ace and Thunder are the best at what they are trying to do IMO. Indy are a nice compromise and if there's ever a Stage 12 I'll likely try it but if I want to turn quick and deep in the bowl, nothing beats Ace and if I want a stable yet snappy response on street, Thunders are great.


If Ace ever make a truck between 44s and 55s, that might be the truck I skate to my grave.
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My madness is really this. ACE on one end and Thunder on the other and I agree, Indy (and subsequently, Theeve) are right there in the middle if you want something that does it all 'good enough' without going crazy on pinch/pop/baseplate slide/grindage. It comes down to feel too and not just turning.

I've been riding forged hollow 144s for the past three weeks (new Ace regs bottoms/Ace low tops bushings /riptides) and have somehow not thought about swapping them out after I switched over from theeve (just couldn't get theeves loose enough without using bones softs and entering wheelbite hell).

If indy ever drops that low we've been hearing about (and if it's snappier), or thunder releases that extended baseplate things will get heated again!

For now I'm in the indy/bones ezstreets combo.

But seriously, the ACE bushings really do get indys singing (due to the break in, I am sure you could get the same feeling out of indy aftermarkets if you followed through the break in).

Right I’m waiting on those new lows, I’m sure Leo is too

He’s the only guy on the team that rode lows

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on April 09, 2019, 09:02:59 AM
Quote from: full of jerks on April 08, 2019, 09:06:29 PM
Quote from: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on April 08, 2019, 08:25:42 PM
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Ace and Thunder are the best at what they are trying to do IMO. Indy are a nice compromise and if there's ever a Stage 12 I'll likely try it but if I want to turn quick and deep in the bowl, nothing beats Ace and if I want a stable yet snappy response on street, Thunders are great.


If Ace ever make a truck between 44s and 55s, that might be the truck I skate to my grave.
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Try the Ace baseplate with an Indy hanger.

Yep. And you have lighter options with an Indy hanger vs Ace which is heavy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on April 09, 2019, 01:36:58 PM
You could probably cut a rail short so it only has two holes and screw that on behind thunders.  Might work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on April 09, 2019, 02:43:12 PM
Quote from: full of jerks on April 09, 2019, 01:36:58 PM
You could probably cut a rail short so it only has two holes and screw that on behind thunders.  Might work.

This is the innovative I come to this thread for.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on April 09, 2019, 04:22:27 PM
Quote from: Xen on April 08, 2019, 09:25:46 PM
Quote from: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on April 08, 2019, 08:25:42 PM
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Ace and Thunder are the best at what they are trying to do IMO. Indy are a nice compromise and if there's ever a Stage 12 I'll likely try it but if I want to turn quick and deep in the bowl, nothing beats Ace and if I want a stable yet snappy response on street, Thunders are great.


If Ace ever make a truck between 44s and 55s, that might be the truck I skate to my grave.
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My madness is really this. ACE on one end and Thunder on the other .......

Has anybody tried mismatched trucks yet?  Like Thunder in the back to ollie off of and Ace or Indy up front to handle bowls better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on April 09, 2019, 07:34:51 PM
Quote from: full of jerks on April 08, 2019, 09:06:29 PM

Try the Ace baseplate with an Indy hanger.

I would consider this but its really bad ju ju to mess with trucks once you break them in. I can't even bring myself to tighten or loosen them at this point. The Kingpin nut is blending nicely into the tip of the kingpin- I'm not sure what evil forces would be unleashed on the world if I interrupted the 'blending' process.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on April 09, 2019, 11:17:31 PM
Quote from: full of jerks on April 08, 2019, 09:06:29 PM
Quote from: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on April 08, 2019, 08:25:42 PM
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Ace and Thunder are the best at what they are trying to do IMO. Indy are a nice compromise and if there's ever a Stage 12 I'll likely try it but if I want to turn quick and deep in the bowl, nothing beats Ace and if I want a stable yet snappy response on street, Thunders are great.


If Ace ever make a truck between 44s and 55s, that might be the truck I skate to my grave.
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Try the Ace baseplate with an Indy hanger.

meh.  I'm over it already.

I think Ace is just a bad compromise.  For bowls I'd rather have the tighter turning ability of Indys.  If I want controllable trucks I'd rather have Thunders.  Best part of Ace is how light they make the tail feel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on April 10, 2019, 12:09:19 PM
Quote from: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on April 08, 2019, 08:25:42 PM
Ace and Thunder are the best at what they are trying to do IMO. Indy are a nice compromise and if there's ever a Stage 12 I'll likely try it but if I want to turn quick and deep in the bowl, nothing beats Ace and if I want a stable yet snappy response on street, Thunders are great.


If Ace ever make a truck between 44s and 55s, that might be the truck I skate to my grave.

I feel the same. I love my Ace trucks. Just wish the 44 was a wee bit wider
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeakmeek on April 10, 2019, 07:00:48 PM
just watched some ben degros videos and decided to buy some venture hi 5.2s. How do they compare with 147 his, venture los, and ace lows?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Daniel on April 10, 2019, 08:15:03 PM
Quote from: sneakpeakmeek on April 10, 2019, 07:00:48 PM
just watched some ben degros videos and decided to buy some venture hi 5.2s. How do they compare with 147 his, venture los, and ace lows?

All very different trucks. Venture is more stable than Indy, grind like Indy, sit far back with wheelbase like thunder and are nowhere close to Aces at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on April 11, 2019, 12:01:47 AM
Quote from: sneakpeakmeek on April 10, 2019, 07:00:48 PM
just watched some ben degros videos and decided to buy some venture hi 5.2s. How do they compare with 147 his, venture los, and ace lows?

Ben laid it down. They are tall like ace highs and sit on a block like ace highs / Indy 11.

The main difference is king pin placement. It will not turn like any of the trucks you mentioned. Krux royal and tensor turn more like a venture.

If you like to tre flip and want to go in a straight line then they’re your best option in my opinion. If you’re riding smaller wheels like 52 down I would just go with a venture low

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on April 11, 2019, 06:07:15 AM
Madness strike me down ... pondering getting a 7.5 and using Venture lo 5.0s. Been riding 8.0 and Indy 139s. Miss skinny boards and as said above kickflips and landing straight
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on April 11, 2019, 08:59:16 AM
What do you guys think would be stronger, a hollow chromoly axle or a titanium alloy one?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 11, 2019, 09:28:08 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on April 11, 2019, 08:59:16 AM
What do you guys think would be stronger, a hollow chromoly axle or a titanium alloy one?

Technically steel will be stronger but you're not going to bend either of them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 11, 2019, 09:59:45 AM
Quote from: fang on April 11, 2019, 06:07:15 AM
Madness strike me down ... pondering getting a 7.5 and using Venture lo 5.0s. Been riding 8.0 and Indy 139s. Miss skinny boards and as said above kickflips and landing straight

Been skating an 8.25 with 5.2 lows (hollow) and 51mm. Even if you don't want to size down boards, the 5.2 lows and small wheels really capture that classic feeling just as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 11, 2019, 10:54:11 AM
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Madness strike me down ... pondering getting a 7.5 and using Venture lo 5.0s. Been riding 8.0 and Indy 139s. Miss skinny boards and as said above kickflips and landing straight
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Been skating an 8.25 with 5.2 lows (hollow) and 51mm. Even if you don't want to size down boards, the 5.2 lows and small wheels really capture that classic feeling just as well.

I've slowly been going narrower, lower and smaller it feels great; going to get those pressure flips back for old times sake :P
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Post by: Diocletian on April 11, 2019, 11:41:14 AM
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What do you guys think would be stronger, a hollow chromoly axle or a titanium alloy one?
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Technically steel will be stronger but you're not going to bend either of them

Interesting, so you’re saying you think both are stronger than a solid chromoly axle? From my research, a titanium alloy is technically weaker of the same diameter as a chromoly one. But, I’ve never heard of anyone bending one. I dig that hollow trucks are only $10 more than the standards so I was considering them. $30 more for titanium’s...is it really worth it in terms of strength/lightness?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 11, 2019, 11:52:58 AM
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What do you guys think would be stronger, a hollow chromoly axle or a titanium alloy one?
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Technically steel will be stronger but you're not going to bend either of them
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Interesting, so you’re saying you think both are stronger than a solid chromoly axle? From my research, a titanium alloy is technically weaker of the same diameter as a chromoly one. But, I’ve never heard of anyone bending one. I dig that hollow trucks are only $10 more than the standards so I was considering them. $30 more for titanium’s...is it really worth it in terms of strength/lightness?

Given the diameter of the axles and how the trucks are used/designed the chances of bending either are slim (unless you're ACE)... I mean, how often do you see/hear about people bending axles of any truck anymore? Indys, theeve, thunders or otherwise? Pretty rare.

When it comes to Indys, you can tell the difference holding them/your board. Does that weight difference have an impact on skating? That's up to the rider. With Thunders, man the TI are sooo fucking light, hollows too. I've been riding thunder team hollows since they launched and haven't had the desire to bump up to TI, it's not worth it to me as we're talking 1-3oz difference here and I'm a weight whore. With Indy, it's gotta be TI unless I'm riding bowls.

Keep in mind most Pros are sent a ton of product and from what I have seen usually ride the base level/standards when it comes to trucks (go watch an NHS product pillage, standards for days filling up those carts). Of course a few might get to choose and or get their models sent to them on rotation. Lighter TI trucks are marketing tools.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on April 11, 2019, 12:03:38 PM
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What do you guys think would be stronger, a hollow chromoly axle or a titanium alloy one?
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Technically steel will be stronger but you're not going to bend either of them
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Interesting, so you’re saying you think both are stronger than a solid chromoly axle? From my research, a titanium alloy is technically weaker of the same diameter as a chromoly one. But, I’ve never heard of anyone bending one. I dig that hollow trucks are only $10 more than the standards so I was considering them. $30 more for titanium’s...is it really worth it in terms of strength/lightness?
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Given the diameter of the axles and how the trucks are used/designed the chances of bending either are slim (unless you're ACE)... I mean, how often do you see/hear about people bending axles of any truck anymore? Indys, theeve, thunders or otherwise? Pretty rare.

When it comes to Indys, you can tell the difference holding them/your board. Does that weight difference have an impact on skating? That's up to the rider. With Thunders, man the TI are sooo fucking light, hollows too. I've been riding thunder team hollows since they launched and haven't had the desire to bump up to TI, it's not worth it to me as we're talking 1-3oz difference here and I'm a weight whore. With Indy, it's gotta be TI unless I'm riding bowls.

Keep in mind most Pros are sent a ton of product and from what I have seen usually ride the base level/standards when it comes to trucks (go watch an NHS product pillage, standards for days filling up those carts). Of course a few might get to choose and or get their models sent to them on rotation. Lighter TI trucks are marketing tools.

I love the Thunder Team Hollows. All the benefits of the standard (cast plates) and super light for us weenies who care, plus they're not much more expensive. Personally I don't think TI are worth $20 more than hollows no matter the brand, I don't see a noticeable enough difference in weight or durability.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on April 11, 2019, 12:07:30 PM
What's up with Thunder bushings? I bought a set of Titanium Lights a while ago and the bushings are not very soft. Mate of mine just bought Team Titaniums and his bushings are super fucking soft. Even cranked down a lot his trucks are way way looser than mine flush. I thought all Thunders came with the same durometer bushings.  :o Mine are white, his are red.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 11, 2019, 12:45:13 PM
Quote from: Roisto on April 11, 2019, 12:07:30 PM
What's up with Thunder bushings? I bought a set of Titanium Lights a while ago and the bushings are not very soft. Mate of mine just bought Team Titaniums and his bushings are super fucking soft. Even cranked down a lot his trucks are way way looser than mine flush. I thought all Thunders came with the same durometer bushings.  :o Mine are white, his are red.

I'm running stock whites (Thanks, Heritage!) and they're pretty soft; much softer than the translucent piss yellow ones that came stock. I remember someone at DLX saying they are all the same duro but the white feel softer? No clue what's up with yours tho! I sand down thunder tops or put low bushings in them if I have any lying around, can't fuck with the bottoms tho, nothing fits thunders as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 11, 2019, 12:47:50 PM
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What do you guys think would be stronger, a hollow chromoly axle or a titanium alloy one?
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Technically steel will be stronger but you're not going to bend either of them
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Interesting, so you’re saying you think both are stronger than a solid chromoly axle? From my research, a titanium alloy is technically weaker of the same diameter as a chromoly one. But, I’ve never heard of anyone bending one. I dig that hollow trucks are only $10 more than the standards so I was considering them. $30 more for titanium’s...is it really worth it in terms of strength/lightness?
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Given the diameter of the axles and how the trucks are used/designed the chances of bending either are slim (unless you're ACE)... I mean, how often do you see/hear about people bending axles of any truck anymore? Indys, theeve, thunders or otherwise? Pretty rare.

When it comes to Indys, you can tell the difference holding them/your board. Does that weight difference have an impact on skating? That's up to the rider. With Thunders, man the TI are sooo fucking light, hollows too. I've been riding thunder team hollows since they launched and haven't had the desire to bump up to TI, it's not worth it to me as we're talking 1-3oz difference here and I'm a weight whore. With Indy, it's gotta be TI unless I'm riding bowls.

Keep in mind most Pros are sent a ton of product and from what I have seen usually ride the base level/standards when it comes to trucks (go watch an NHS product pillage, standards for days filling up those carts). Of course a few might get to choose and or get their models sent to them on rotation. Lighter TI trucks are marketing tools.
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I love the Thunder Team Hollows. All the benefits of the standard (cast plates) and super light for us weenies who care, plus they're not much more expensive. Personally I don't think TI are worth $20 more than hollows no matter the brand, I don't see a noticeable enough difference in weight or durability.

Diminishing returns, there's only so light I can go before it's noticeable or just weird last time I skated TI thunders they were forged 147s on an 8.2 with 51mm wheels, the whole thing felt too light, felt weird on ollies, like the pop had no heft to it...bizarre feeling.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on April 11, 2019, 09:38:38 PM
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Running these Ventures with Riptides and stock green bushings. I put wax in the pivot cup, on the bushing yokes, and the kingpin. They snap back to center quickly, do not squeak anymore and feel loose without having to change bushings as most people do. They feel surfy, stable and grind really well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on April 12, 2019, 05:16:04 AM
Quote from: Xen on April 11, 2019, 11:52:58 AM
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What do you guys think would be stronger, a hollow chromoly axle or a titanium alloy one?
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Technically steel will be stronger but you're not going to bend either of them
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Interesting, so you’re saying you think both are stronger than a solid chromoly axle? From my research, a titanium alloy is technically weaker of the same diameter as a chromoly one. But, I’ve never heard of anyone bending one. I dig that hollow trucks are only $10 more than the standards so I was considering them. $30 more for titanium’s...is it really worth it in terms of strength/lightness?
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Given the diameter of the axles and how the trucks are used/designed the chances of bending either are slim (unless you're ACE)... I mean, how often do you see/hear about people bending axles of any truck anymore? Indys, theeve, thunders or otherwise? Pretty rare.

When it comes to Indys, you can tell the difference holding them/your board. Does that weight difference have an impact on skating? That's up to the rider. With Thunders, man the TI are sooo fucking light, hollows too. I've been riding thunder team hollows since they launched and haven't had the desire to bump up to TI, it's not worth it to me as we're talking 1-3oz difference here and I'm a weight whore. With Indy, it's gotta be TI unless I'm riding bowls.

Keep in mind most Pros are sent a ton of product and from what I have seen usually ride the base level/standards when it comes to trucks (go watch an NHS product pillage, standards for days filling up those carts). Of course a few might get to choose and or get their models sent to them on rotation. Lighter TI trucks are marketing tools.
indys bend just as much as ace do now, it's just that the modern hanger designs make it harder to notice. kinda hard to explain, optical illusions? ace is basically a straight bar so it's easier to tell when it's bending(could also be placebo) indys and others have the design where the whole hanger has a v shape, opposite to how trucks normally bend. you can test this out by putting wheels on the hanger and try to spin the hanger with hands on both wheels. if they're bent, it should spin around easily. the easier, the more bent. it's not like bent trucks hinder the actual performance, it just wears on you mentally. 
 
i think cast baseplates look ugly and unsettling. how can people claim to be ocd about trucks, while having two different shades of metal on the same truck? i also think it's kind of an unspoken rule where hollows are “cheating” or “not the real thing” with indys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 12, 2019, 05:50:04 AM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on April 11, 2019, 09:38:38 PM
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Running these Ventures with Riptides and stock green bushings. I put wax in the pivot cup, on the bushing yokes, and the kingpin. They snap back to center quickly, do not squeak anymore and feel loose without having to change bushings as most people do. They feel surfy, stable and grind really well.

Love the way that whole setup looks.

I ended up putting some green 94a dlx bushings in my venture lows and they feel great. A little harder than the stock bushings, but I am also a little bigger so it feels like I have more control.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: radcunt on April 12, 2019, 06:01:36 AM
Do you notice the weight difference to Titanium Indys over standard?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on April 12, 2019, 06:32:52 AM
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What do you guys think would be stronger, a hollow chromoly axle or a titanium alloy one?
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Technically steel will be stronger but you're not going to bend either of them
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Interesting, so you’re saying you think both are stronger than a solid chromoly axle? From my research, a titanium alloy is technically weaker of the same diameter as a chromoly one. But, I’ve never heard of anyone bending one. I dig that hollow trucks are only $10 more than the standards so I was considering them. $30 more for titanium’s...is it really worth it in terms of strength/lightness?
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Given the diameter of the axles and how the trucks are used/designed the chances of bending either are slim (unless you're ACE)... I mean, how often do you see/hear about people bending axles of any truck anymore? Indys, theeve, thunders or otherwise? Pretty rare.

When it comes to Indys, you can tell the difference holding them/your board. Does that weight difference have an impact on skating? That's up to the rider. With Thunders, man the TI are sooo fucking light, hollows too. I've been riding thunder team hollows since they launched and haven't had the desire to bump up to TI, it's not worth it to me as we're talking 1-3oz difference here and I'm a weight whore. With Indy, it's gotta be TI unless I'm riding bowls.

Keep in mind most Pros are sent a ton of product and from what I have seen usually ride the base level/standards when it comes to trucks (go watch an NHS product pillage, standards for days filling up those carts). Of course a few might get to choose and or get their models sent to them on rotation. Lighter TI trucks are marketing tools.
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indys bend just as much as ace do now, it's just that the modern hanger designs make it harder to notice. kinda hard to explain, optical illusions? ace is basically a straight bar so it's easier to tell when it's bending(could also be placebo) indys and others have the design where the whole hanger has a v shape, opposite to how trucks normally bend. you can test this out by putting wheels on the hanger and try to spin the hanger with hands on both wheels. if they're bent, it should spin around easily. the easier, the more bent. it's not like bent trucks hinder the actual performance, it just wears on you mentally. 
 
i think cast baseplates look ugly and unsettling. how can people claim to be ocd about trucks, while having two different shades of metal on the same truck? i also think it's kind of an unspoken rule where hollows are “cheating” or “not the real thing” with indys.

What might cause that is hanger faces not being finished properly. If you look at where the axle meets the hanger the contact areas where the bearing sits iare very rarely straight or finished smoothly. That's why ace have that little cone shape, so the bearings are free to spin better when nestled against the hanger.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on April 12, 2019, 07:05:58 AM
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Running these Ventures with Riptides and stock green bushings. I put wax in the pivot cup, on the bushing yokes, and the kingpin. They snap back to center quickly, do not squeak anymore and feel loose without having to change bushings as most people do. They feel surfy, stable and grind really well.
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Love the way that whole setup looks.

I ended up putting some green 94a dlx bushings in my venture lows and they feel great. A little harder than the stock bushings, but I am also a little bigger so it feels like I have more control.

I weigh 255 pounds, so I feel you. I put my green dlx bushings and it felt looser than the stock green ones, the top stock bushing feels harder than the dlx top bushing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 12, 2019, 07:13:20 AM
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Running these Ventures with Riptides and stock green bushings. I put wax in the pivot cup, on the bushing yokes, and the kingpin. They snap back to center quickly, do not squeak anymore and feel loose without having to change bushings as most people do. They feel surfy, stable and grind really well.
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Love the way that whole setup looks.

I ended up putting some green 94a dlx bushings in my venture lows and they feel great. A little harder than the stock bushings, but I am also a little bigger so it feels like I have more control.
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I weigh 255 pounds, so I feel you. I put my green dlx bushings and it felt looser than the stock green ones, the top stock bushing feels harder than the dlx top bushing.

That is wild, I wonder is they used a different euro for those FTCs. The red ones that came with mine were so soft, even compared with the stock bushings that were in my last set.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TooManyPros on April 12, 2019, 08:20:12 AM
Quote from: radcunt on April 12, 2019, 06:01:36 AM
Do you notice the weight difference to Titanium Indys over standard?

Without question. Standard Indys are the industry heavyweight in more ways than one.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on April 12, 2019, 08:30:46 AM
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Madness strike me down ... pondering getting a 7.5 and using Venture lo 5.0s. Been riding 8.0 and Indy 139s. Miss skinny boards and as said above kickflips and landing straight
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Been skating an 8.25 with 5.2 lows (hollow) and 51mm. Even if you don't want to size down boards, the 5.2 lows and small wheels really capture that classic feeling just as well.

I've got some 5.2 lows as well. I had an FA Gino deck on those a bit ago. Still good. I think venture are extremely underrated. Trying to get all the addicting Indy imagery out of my mind
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 12, 2019, 09:45:32 AM
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Madness strike me down ... pondering getting a 7.5 and using Venture lo 5.0s. Been riding 8.0 and Indy 139s. Miss skinny boards and as said above kickflips and landing straight
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Been skating an 8.25 with 5.2 lows (hollow) and 51mm. Even if you don't want to size down boards, the 5.2 lows and small wheels really capture that classic feeling just as well.
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I've got some 5.2 lows as well. I had an FA Gino deck on those a bit ago. Still good. I think venture are extremely underrated. Trying to get all the addicting Indy imagery out of my mind

Feel that for sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on April 12, 2019, 10:05:41 AM
Just pulled the Krux inverted kingpins out of my Indy Stage 7 and Mini Logo trucks.

 In the Stage 7s they were binding when tightening.  The OD of the kingpin and the ID of the baseplate was just too tight. I could tighten the truck enough to get washer to bushing contact, but any more and I thought I was going to bend the allen wrench or strip the kingpin.  The damn thing just wouldn't turn.  I could have enlarged the baseplate but then would have been left with a sloppy kingpin if I ever went back to standard, so I just went back to standard.

On the Mini Logos, the JB Liquid Weld I had used to hold the nut in place cracked and was rattling around.  I couldn't tighten or loosen the trucks anymore.



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 12, 2019, 01:59:27 PM
Quote from: backinaction on April 12, 2019, 10:05:41 AM
Just pulled the Krux inverted kingpins out of my Indy Stage 7 and Mini Logo trucks.

 In the Stage 7s they were binding when tightening.  The OD of the kingpin and the ID of the baseplate was just too tight. I could tighten the truck enough to get washer to bushing contact, but any more and I thought I was going to bend the allen wrench or strip the kingpin.  The damn thing just wouldn't turn.  I could have enlarged the baseplate but then would have been left with a sloppy kingpin if I ever went back to standard, so I just went back to standard.

On the Mini Logos, the JB Liquid Weld I had used to hold the nut in place cracked and was rattling around.  I couldn't tighten or loosen the trucks anymore.

Main reason I retired mine, the hassle wasn't worth it in the long run, except on ACEs, for whatever reason it always worked and was solid.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 12, 2019, 03:41:13 PM
Some weird analysis -

Using a standard 32mm wide wheel, the measurement from outer wheel to outer wheel on 8.75 trucks is 8.43.  On 149's it's 8.18.  This leads to me to believe that 159/151's are better suited for 8.5 boards.

Will report back with my findings in 9 months after ACL rehab.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sorry on April 12, 2019, 05:17:44 PM
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159 are better suited for 8.5 boards.


Well, ofcourse.. isnt this general consensus? Write it down kids

Ive been riding 8.5 with 159 for the majority of time, but recently I started to bite down the size, not really a practical use for such big dimensions when Im mostly skating street, right?
So Im riding 8.375 / 8.25 with 149 now, feels about right
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 12, 2019, 09:35:13 PM
It’s funny how Ben was right about the wheel base having more of an affect on the feeling of the board than weight of the trucks

Had my 149 thunders on a real 8.25 and it was heavy

Switched over to my solid 144 Indy which are definitely heavier and the board felt lighter or easier to control

I know you all are gonna think well duh 149 is bigger than 144 so the 149 would be heavier

Cmon guys we are talking thunder vs Indy on weight and Indy’s are the heaviest, plus my thunder 149 are actually skated up decently cause I gave them to my friend who rips until he got other trucks

And he grinded them pretty good so they were supposed to definitely weigh less
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on April 13, 2019, 12:36:06 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on April 12, 2019, 03:41:13 PM
Some weird analysis -

Using a standard 32mm wide wheel, the measurement from outer wheel to outer wheel on 8.75 trucks is 8.43.  On 149's it's 8.18.  This leads to me to believe that 159/151's are better suited for 8.5 boards.

Will report back with my findings in 9 months after ACL rehab.....

I've been thinking about this too. With Aces you get more axle thread showing than with other trucks, so even though the 44s are 8.38" wide, the wheels would be flush probably on an 8" or something.

Actually did some measurements after typing that out and Ace 44s with Spitfire Conical, Conical Full, Classic Full & Radial Slims all come down 8" wide from outside of the wheel to outside of the wheel on the other side. On 55s that'd be 8.625" if they're 9" wide. I didn't measure my 55s as they have wide ass cruiser wheels on them. This really goes to show that trucks are weird and Aces maybe even more so. I'd be down with an Ace 50 that'd be somewhere between the 44 and 55.

Then again what is that we want? Is it better to have the outside of your wheels or the axles flush with the edge of your board? Is the wheel design where the nut and axle extend far over the edge of the wheel optimal in any way or is it just something we've kinda ended up with and stuck with? 🤔

I'd also like to wish you a nice recovery! It'll take its time and at least I delved deep into gear nerdery when I couldn't skate for 6+ months after breaking my leg. But it was what kept me stoked on skating and I'm fine with that. :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 13, 2019, 03:53:59 AM
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Some weird analysis -

Using a standard 32mm wide wheel, the measurement from outer wheel to outer wheel on 8.75 trucks is 8.43.  On 149's it's 8.18.  This leads to me to believe that 159/151's are better suited for 8.5 boards.

Will report back with my findings in 9 months after ACL rehab.....
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I'd also like to wish you a nice recovery! It'll take its time and at least I delved deep into gear nerdery when I couldn't skate for 6+ months after breaking my leg. But it was what kept me stoked on skating and I'm fine with that. :)

thanks dude!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 13, 2019, 05:25:45 PM
I like my wheels to line up with my board if at all possible; if not, I'd prefer them to be inside rather than outside the edge of the board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Italianshredder96 on April 14, 2019, 11:12:17 AM
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So I already mentioned in this thread that a few weeks back I threw some of the new ace bushings in my Krux and it made them amazing, surfy, and way stable - well, after skating a handful of sessions the magic has kind of worn off, should I make the switch to a different truck brand or is this maybe something that the ever-hyped riptide pivot cups would remedy?
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Nothing will make krux turn...I tried everything without results.

Actually I'm gonna give this combo a shot, I've an Anti Hero board and the 14.375 with Thunders is the worst combo. The only thing I don't like about thunders is that you can max use a 14.25 wb or it's like a longboard. Xrux should shrink the overall wb so could be rideable. If I can find them in some European online store.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on April 15, 2019, 06:51:53 AM
Does anyone know where to buy replacement Indy hollow kingpins? I’ve found thunder hollow kingpins would they fit? I was thinking of putting hollow kingpins in my standard Indy’s. Has anyone done this? Will it change the geo? Would it matter if i used the thunder hollow kingpins? What are horse shoes? Do they have horse socks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on April 15, 2019, 07:16:20 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BwR3c6IlRaD/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 15, 2019, 02:15:52 PM
Quote from: Firebert on April 15, 2019, 07:16:20 AM
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Why the 6 hole?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on April 15, 2019, 02:26:59 PM
Quote from: Xen on April 15, 2019, 02:15:52 PM
Why the 6 hole?
Two reasons:

1.) Hammering out the kingpins takes a few easy swings (Good luck to anyone trying to hammer out the forged ones) and;

2.) Extra 1.5mm wheel-bite clearance without risers (I never use risers on a non cruiser.)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nth syd bear on April 15, 2019, 08:35:48 PM
Quick question any help appreciated .

I Got a new set of Indy forged hollows silver with stock orange bushings
They feel okay my other blue forged Indy’s with white stock bushings seemed to break in quicker

Anyway i was given a set of blue doh doh’s to try ive usually stuck with stock
Over the years unless they get old so before i try just wondering

what’s the pro/cons of bushings this soft..?? 88a Blue doh dohs that is?

Sorry for my stupidness
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TooManyPros on April 16, 2019, 10:15:02 AM
Quote from: Nth syd bear on April 15, 2019, 08:35:48 PM
Quick question any help appreciated .

I Got a new set of Indy forged hollows silver with stock orange bushings
They feel okay my other blue forged Indy’s with white stock bushings seemed to break in quicker

Anyway i was given a set of blue doh doh’s to try ive usually stuck with stock
Over the years unless they get old so before i try just wondering

what’s the pro/cons of bushings this soft..?? 88a Blue doh dohs that is?

Sorry for my stupidness

If they are 88a I doubt you will notice much of a difference from stock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on April 17, 2019, 07:36:34 AM
So, I'm over these mag lights. There's really no perceivable difference in pop height or board control, and the wind thing drives me nuts. After one of the worst sessions I've ever had I shot my board off the quarter pipe and the thing pretty much flew away. They do have a nice design, just way too light. Gonna try them on my cruiser where the heavy wheels and the bigger board will make them feel more like my normal setup, plus the height is perfect for cruiser wheels with no riser.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Italianshredder96 on April 17, 2019, 08:01:43 AM
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So I already mentioned in this thread that a few weeks back I threw some of the new ace bushings in my Krux and it made them amazing, surfy, and way stable - well, after skating a handful of sessions the magic has kind of worn off, should I make the switch to a different truck brand or is this maybe something that the ever-hyped riptide pivot cups would remedy?
[close]

Nothing will make krux turn...I tried everything without results.
[close]

Actually I'm gonna give this combo a shot, I've an Anti Hero board and the 14.375 with Thunders is the worst combo. The only thing I don't like about thunders is that you can max use a 14.25 wb or it's like a longboard. Xrux should shrink the overall wb so could be rideable. If I can find them in some European online store.

Well tried, still no turn, hope to try Indies asap
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cthulhu! on April 17, 2019, 08:03:53 AM
Krux are just weird trucks for weird people.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Complements4U on April 17, 2019, 08:18:36 AM
Quote from: Cthulhu! on April 17, 2019, 08:03:53 AM
Krux are just weird trucks for weird people.
Cthulhu doesn't need trucks though? Cthulhu does not even notice humans, and would not consider them of any significance upon awaking, let alone some puny activity. Everything that humans are and have achieved is nothing to Cthulhu. Even exterminating us would likely be no more than a byproduct of whatever Cthulhu decides to do upon awaking.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on April 17, 2019, 08:19:29 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BwVl6FCli-S/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TooManyPros on April 17, 2019, 08:21:58 AM
Quote from: Beeker on April 17, 2019, 07:36:34 AM
So, I'm over these mag lights. There's really no perceivable difference in pop height or board control, and the wind thing drives me nuts. After one of the worst sessions I've ever had I shot my board off the quarter pipe and the thing pretty much flew away. They do have a nice design, just way too light. Gonna try them on my cruiser where the heavy wheels and the bigger board will make them feel more like my normal setup, plus the height is perfect for cruiser wheels with no riser.

Sounds like the regs/alum might be the way to go then? Maybe they should have gone for the middle ground and done the standard alum with hollow kings/axles.

Anyone know the weight of the tensor regs?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on April 17, 2019, 11:52:55 AM
My Ace 44 Mags w/krux kingpins
(https://scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/9cba3fe5b20148b221b21bd7e45312e5/5D3A1B62/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/s640x640/57056257_789762341424563_5090140812180561899_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 17, 2019, 02:16:08 PM
Quote from: Firebert on April 17, 2019, 11:52:55 AM
My Ace 44 Mags w/krux kingpins
(https://scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/9cba3fe5b20148b221b21bd7e45312e5/5D3A1B62/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/s640x640/57056257_789762341424563_5090140812180561899_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com)

Hard to beat that combo! Still have mine setup that way, sitting in a box while I skate my theeve 5.5s since I downsized.


gnar'd
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dwyck on April 17, 2019, 06:57:43 PM
Quote from: Cthulhu! on April 17, 2019, 08:03:53 AM
Krux are just weird trucks for weird people.

Their PR guy just saw this post and is hastily taking notes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on April 17, 2019, 08:12:04 PM
Quote from: Italianshredder96 on April 17, 2019, 08:01:43 AM
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So I already mentioned in this thread that a few weeks back I threw some of the new ace bushings in my Krux and it made them amazing, surfy, and way stable - well, after skating a handful of sessions the magic has kind of worn off, should I make the switch to a different truck brand or is this maybe something that the ever-hyped riptide pivot cups would remedy?
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Nothing will make krux turn...I tried everything without results.
[close]

Actually I'm gonna give this combo a shot, I've an Anti Hero board and the 14.375 with Thunders is the worst combo. The only thing I don't like about thunders is that you can max use a 14.25 wb or it's like a longboard. Xrux should shrink the overall wb so could be rideable. If I can find them in some European online store.
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Well tried, still no turn, hope to try Indies asap

Yeah I recently finally switched to Indy after only skating Krux for like three years (and tensors before that...) things feel fucking great but i threw my ace bushings in there and it feels like the geometey is fucked. Wondering if anyone does this, sure I'ce seen people mention it before, but do I need to sand down the bushings to make it work or something?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 17, 2019, 08:33:56 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on April 17, 2019, 08:12:04 PM
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So I already mentioned in this thread that a few weeks back I threw some of the new ace bushings in my Krux and it made them amazing, surfy, and way stable - well, after skating a handful of sessions the magic has kind of worn off, should I make the switch to a different truck brand or is this maybe something that the ever-hyped riptide pivot cups would remedy?
[close]

Nothing will make krux turn...I tried everything without results.
[close]

Actually I'm gonna give this combo a shot, I've an Anti Hero board and the 14.375 with Thunders is the worst combo. The only thing I don't like about thunders is that you can max use a 14.25 wb or it's like a longboard. Xrux should shrink the overall wb so could be rideable. If I can find them in some European online store.
[close]

Well tried, still no turn, hope to try Indies asap
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Yeah I recently finally switched to Indy after only skating Krux for like three years (and tensors before that...) things feel fucking great but i threw my ace bushings in there and it feels like the geometey is fucked. Wondering if anyone does this, sure I'ce seen people mention it before, but do I need to sand down the bushings to make it work or something?

Agreed on Thunders+8.25WB unless you are intentionally going for a longer WB.

I've a set of Indy 144s with the new ace bushings (tall bottom+ LOW top) and it's fantastic if you like'em loose; I was using the low bottom ace for a bit and it felt off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on April 17, 2019, 08:51:09 PM
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So I already mentioned in this thread that a few weeks back I threw some of the new ace bushings in my Krux and it made them amazing, surfy, and way stable - well, after skating a handful of sessions the magic has kind of worn off, should I make the switch to a different truck brand or is this maybe something that the ever-hyped riptide pivot cups would remedy?
[close]

Nothing will make krux turn...I tried everything without results.
[close]

Actually I'm gonna give this combo a shot, I've an Anti Hero board and the 14.375 with Thunders is the worst combo. The only thing I don't like about thunders is that you can max use a 14.25 wb or it's like a longboard. Xrux should shrink the overall wb so could be rideable. If I can find them in some European online store.
[close]

Well tried, still no turn, hope to try Indies asap
[close]

Yeah I recently finally switched to Indy after only skating Krux for like three years (and tensors before that...) things feel fucking great but i threw my ace bushings in there and it feels like the geometey is fucked. Wondering if anyone does this, sure I'ce seen people mention it before, but do I need to sand down the bushings to make it work or something?
[close]

Agreed on Thunders+8.25WB unless you are intentionally going for a longer WB.

I've a set of Indy 144s with the new ace bushings (tall bottom+ LOW top) and it's fantastic if you like'em loose; I was using the low bottom ace for a bit and it felt off.

Weird, for me it's like impossible to tighten it down to make it flush without making it tighter than i like to skate, and I don't even use the bottom washer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on April 17, 2019, 09:26:30 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on April 11, 2019, 08:59:16 AM
What do you guys think would be stronger, a hollow chromoly axle or a titanium alloy one?

I would not buy the titaniums. Hollow has been around since the 80s with g&s. The truck was steel as well though.
 how do you really know that axles made of titanium. I would not be surprised if you got the regs at a higher price point and the shippers giggling at you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on April 17, 2019, 11:44:52 PM
Quote from: Dustwardprez on April 17, 2019, 09:26:30 PM
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What do you guys think would be stronger, a hollow chromoly axle or a titanium alloy one?
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I would not buy the titaniums. Hollow has been around since the 80s with g&s. The truck was steel as well though.
 how do you really know that axles made of titanium. I would not be surprised if you got the regs at a higher price point and the shippers giggling at you.

Use a magnet. Or you know, compare the weight…  ::)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 18, 2019, 10:26:20 AM
Quote from: Roisto on April 17, 2019, 11:44:52 PM
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What do you guys think would be stronger, a hollow chromoly axle or a titanium alloy one?
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I would not buy the titaniums. Hollow has been around since the 80s with g&s. The truck was steel as well though.
 how do you really know that axles made of titanium. I would not be surprised if you got the regs at a higher price point and the shippers giggling at you.
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Use a magnet. Or you know, compare the weight…  ::)

Or look at the color of the metal...emerico TI has a blueish hue to it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on April 18, 2019, 12:01:25 PM
Thunder heads, can someone, in detail, explain what I need to know about the differences of Thunder 147s? As in : regular vs. Titanium lights vs hollow lights etc?
Heights, weights. Thanks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 18, 2019, 04:31:39 PM
Tried independent for the first time in ages and am having truck madness for the first time in my life. Always been into ventures (preferably lows) but I love how surfy the indys are and how nice they feel when they grind.

It has me completely preoccupied and I don't know how some of you deal with this shit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: talklessSkateMore on April 18, 2019, 05:56:57 PM
Quote from: fang on April 18, 2019, 12:01:25 PM
Thunder heads, can someone, in detail, explain what I need to know about the differences of Thunder 147s? As in : regular vs. Titanium lights vs hollow lights etc?
Heights, weights. Thanks

Check the internet? They have free computer access at libraries

-truck madness, just spend all your money on this shit then skate. Keeping bushings stock and use them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on April 18, 2019, 05:57:16 PM
I can tell you that it consumes me all day at work in the back of my mind.
Nostalgia/ surfy ride (indy) vs function / stability(venture) vs a bit of both (thunder).

I think I'm about to enter a thunder phase. I love the ride of Indy but I feel like my tricks suck on them now, which most likely, is in my head, but you can't reason with madness
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on April 18, 2019, 06:41:15 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on April 18, 2019, 04:31:39 PM
Tried independent for the first time in ages and am having truck madness for the first time in my life. Always been into ventures (preferably lows) but I love how surfy the indys are and how nice they feel when they grind.

It has me completely preoccupied and I don't know how some of you deal with this shit.

Once you notice how bad they are at locking into crooks you’ll go back to Ventures, as you should. I went completely off the deep end a couple of months ago and tried 3 different trucks over the course of a few weeks but am back home with Thunder where I belong.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on April 18, 2019, 07:45:46 PM
Quote from: fang on April 18, 2019, 12:01:25 PM
Thunder heads, can someone, in detail, explain what I need to know about the differences of Thunder 147s? As in : regular vs. Titanium lights vs hollow lights etc?
Heights, weights. Thanks
Just get team editions the regular ones with the blue bushings. Leave your board in the trunk a couple times and you’re good to go.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 18, 2019, 07:59:43 PM
Quote from: baustin on April 18, 2019, 06:41:15 PM
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Tried independent for the first time in ages and am having truck madness for the first time in my life. Always been into ventures (preferably lows) but I love how surfy the indys are and how nice they feel when they grind.

It has me completely preoccupied and I don't know how some of you deal with this shit.
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Once you notice how bad they are at locking into crooks you’ll go back to Ventures, as you should. I went completely off the deep end a couple of months ago and tried 3 different trucks over the course of a few weeks but am back home with Thunder where I belong.

Thanks. Seriously.

Also, Venture needs to make a low wider than 5.2.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Larry Dallas on April 18, 2019, 08:59:25 PM
Just buy one of each in whatever size you ride. You’ll be out like $200 and you don’t have to worry about it anymore.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on April 19, 2019, 06:22:17 AM
So what’s the word on Krux downlow kingpins in Aces? I like my trucks loose. Well broken in Aces with stock bushings with the nut barely on. Do I have to sand down the top bushing to manage that with the Krux kingpin? Epoxying the nut in place is not a problem for me. There’s barely any kingpin clearance on Aces.  ???
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 19, 2019, 07:46:08 AM
I think just exposing the nut should work fine.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 19, 2019, 08:56:21 AM
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So I already mentioned in this thread that a few weeks back I threw some of the new ace bushings in my Krux and it made them amazing, surfy, and way stable - well, after skating a handful of sessions the magic has kind of worn off, should I make the switch to a different truck brand or is this maybe something that the ever-hyped riptide pivot cups would remedy?
[close]

Nothing will make krux turn...I tried everything without results.
[close]

Actually I'm gonna give this combo a shot, I've an Anti Hero board and the 14.375 with Thunders is the worst combo. The only thing I don't like about thunders is that you can max use a 14.25 wb or it's like a longboard. Xrux should shrink the overall wb so could be rideable. If I can find them in some European online store.
[close]

Well tried, still no turn, hope to try Indies asap
[close]

Yeah I recently finally switched to Indy after only skating Krux for like three years (and tensors before that...) things feel fucking great but i threw my ace bushings in there and it feels like the geometey is fucked. Wondering if anyone does this, sure I'ce seen people mention it before, but do I need to sand down the bushings to make it work or something?
[close]

Agreed on Thunders+8.25WB unless you are intentionally going for a longer WB.

I've a set of Indy 144s with the new ace bushings (tall bottom+ LOW top) and it's fantastic if you like'em loose; I was using the low bottom ace for a bit and it felt off.
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Weird, for me it's like impossible to tighten it down to make it flush without making it tighter than i like to skate, and I don't even use the bottom washer.

Were they the ACE Low bushings? I can only get the low tops to worth with either the low or regs bottoms (again, prefer the ACE regs bottoms with low tops); the ACE top bushing is tall AF compared to any other brand.

Even with stock/aftermarket indy bushings, I have sand down the top bushing (and use the thin bones washers for top) in order to get the nut low enough that it doesn't fall off and can skate them loose enough.

The Krux bushings are damn near identical to a tall ace bottom and short ace top combo (but stiffer).

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 19, 2019, 09:56:26 AM
Yeah....I skate my trucks...'medium'......if you know what I mean...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on April 19, 2019, 10:15:17 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on April 18, 2019, 07:59:43 PM
Quote from: baustin on April 18, 2019, 06:41:15 PM
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Quote from: FrozenIndustries on April 18, 2019, 04:31:39 PM
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Tried independent for the first time in ages and am having truck madness for the first time in my life. Always been into ventures (preferably lows) but I love how surfy the indys are and how nice they feel when they grind.

It has me completely preoccupied and I don't know how some of you deal with this shit.
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Once you notice how bad they are at locking into crooks you’ll go back to Ventures, as you should. I went completely off the deep end a couple of months ago and tried 3 different trucks over the course of a few weeks but am back home with Thunder where I belong.
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Thanks. Seriously.

Also, Venture needs to make a low wider than 5.2.

8.25 Ventures supposedly coming soon, hopefully they make them in the lows. I like Thunder and Venture both. Ventures for their confidence inspiring stability, Thunders for quick and fun turning and great maneuverability for tech skating. Indy I find fun to skate, I feel cool and wreckless on them. It just doesn’t translate well to the skating I like to do though, which is mostly low impact ledge stuff and flip tricks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BasedSenpai on April 19, 2019, 11:53:01 AM
Ace Trucks 55, no washers, tighten til top kingpin is just barely sticking out, ripride
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 19, 2019, 05:27:07 PM
Quote from: fang on April 18, 2019, 12:01:25 PM
Thunder heads, can someone, in detail, explain what I need to know about the differences of Thunder 147s? As in : regular vs. Titanium lights vs hollow lights etc?
Heights, weights. Thanks

Rob here

I have all three,

The titanium are just a tad lighter than the hollow lights, not by much

So if it means anything you can just save a little and settle for the hollow lights if you want light for a few dollars to save

If you care more for feel, go with the team hollow lights

If your okay with the dead feeling of forged baseplates then you can go lighter with the usual hollow lights

The regular team solid ones are nice and cheap and always a goto but trust me, if you got the peso’s go for the hollow lights

Very worth it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Heywoodfloyd on April 20, 2019, 03:24:49 AM
This might be controversial, but.

Is it possible for trucks to be to light?
I prefer regular team Thunder 148's and 149's, i want the nose to feel a bit heavy.
In a weird way it feels like the heavier the nose is(up to a point), the more it kinda charges the board with some tension as you start to pop, a bit like a Slapshot in Hockey.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on April 20, 2019, 03:45:09 AM
it's probably just me fucking shit up but over the years ive skated thunders (had sets from 2014) from now ive had hollow lights, titanium lights at one point and regular old team 149s and didnt notice any real difference however i found i'd be fucking up axles and breaking kingpins alot more often on the lights than i would regular team thunders. thats not to say im not fucking up team thunders actually as my axles are like a trainwreck but ive never broke a kingpin in team editions and i can usually skate them down to the axle and replace them whereas with lights theyve usually got fucked up to the point theyre unfixable. thenagain i am going back a few years to when i had the lights so i could be forgetting shit and they probably were fixable but everytime ive seen someone snap a thunder kingpin it's always been on lights.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: B0udoir on April 20, 2019, 02:25:18 PM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on April 20, 2019, 03:45:09 AM
it's probably just me fucking shit up but over the years ive skated thunders (had sets from 2014) from now ive had hollow lights, titanium lights at one point and regular old team 149s and didnt notice any real difference however i found i'd be fucking up axles and breaking kingpins alot more often on the lights than i would regular team thunders.

I have a pair of Team Hollow Lights since 6 months, and they have both developed a slight axle bent that impede the rotation of the bearings. I've just put the exactly same wheels/bearings in a new pair of Indy's, and they spin freely with no problems. I guess hollow axles are more prone to bending, I'm not sure it's worth the gain of weight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 21, 2019, 07:59:50 AM
Quote from: Heywoodfloyd on April 20, 2019, 03:24:49 AM
This might be controversial, but.

Is it possible for trucks to be to light?
I prefer regular team Thunder 148's and 149's, i want the nose to feel a bit heavy.
In a weird way it feels like the heavier the nose is(up to a point), the more it kinda charges the board with some tension as you start to pop, a bit like a Slapshot in Hockey.

I know the feeling you are talking about. I get the same heavy nose feel also when I ride boards with minimal distance between the rear bolts and where the tail starts to angle, and also boards that have a super steep tail (or both)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on April 22, 2019, 10:38:27 AM
What bushings do people like with Thunders?

I have Indy aftermarket 90A in my Indys and ride them med-loose. The Thunders have the 94A bushings, nuts almost falling off, and they do not turn for shit. Otherwise they feel ok. I've got some Bones mediums at home, which I've read conflicting things about using.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 22, 2019, 12:05:31 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on April 22, 2019, 10:38:27 AM
What bushings do people like with Thunders?

I have Indy aftermarket 90A in my Indys and ride them med-loose. The Thunders have the 94A bushings, nuts almost falling off, and they do not turn for shit. Otherwise they feel ok. I've got some Bones mediums at home, which I've read conflicting things about using.

Nothing works as good as stock Thunder bottoms (nothing matches the height); I use stock bottoms and shave the tops down to get them feeling the way I like - currently riding stock Thunder bottoms (90a) and ACE low top (91a) because I didn't feel like sanding'em down. Feels fine.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on April 22, 2019, 12:49:25 PM
Just got hooked up with a set of the titanium Venture highs 5.2's. Are these too skinny to run on an 8.25 deck? I can't seem to fins a good Venture size chart.

Currently running Thunder 148's and like where they sit under the 8.25.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: curbslayer on April 22, 2019, 12:53:21 PM
Quote from: arrbee on April 22, 2019, 12:49:25 PM
Just got hooked up with a set of the titanium Venture highs 5.2's. Are these too skinny to run on an 8.25 deck? I can't seem to fins a good Venture size chart.

Currently running Thunder 148's and like where they sit under the 8.25.

you need 5.8s for a 8.25 you will be a little tucked on those 5.25s 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on April 22, 2019, 12:58:51 PM
Quote from: curbslayer on April 22, 2019, 12:53:21 PM
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Just got hooked up with a set of the titanium Venture highs 5.2's. Are these too skinny to run on an 8.25 deck? I can't seem to fins a good Venture size chart.

Currently running Thunder 148's and like where they sit under the 8.25.
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you need 5.8s for a 8.25 you will be a little tucked on those 5.25s

Was hoping that wasn't the case, I'll have to see if my local will let me swap em out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 22, 2019, 01:04:26 PM
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Just got hooked up with a set of the titanium Venture highs 5.2's. Are these too skinny to run on an 8.25 deck? I can't seem to fins a good Venture size chart.

Currently running Thunder 148's and like where they sit under the 8.25.
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you need 5.8s for a 8.25 you will be a little tucked on those 5.25s
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Was hoping that wasn't the case, I'll have to see if my local will let me swap em out.

FWIW I was recently skating some 5.2s on an 8.25. There is a pic of it in the setup thread if you want to get an idea of how it looks. There was ample room to add washers to the inside and push the wheels out, but it felt fine to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TooManyPros on April 22, 2019, 02:04:44 PM
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Just got hooked up with a set of the titanium Venture highs 5.2's. Are these too skinny to run on an 8.25 deck? I can't seem to fins a good Venture size chart.

Currently running Thunder 148's and like where they sit under the 8.25.
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you need 5.8s for a 8.25 you will be a little tucked on those 5.25s
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Was hoping that wasn't the case, I'll have to see if my local will let me swap em out.

Could hold them and wait for the 8.25" Ventures that should drop soon.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on April 22, 2019, 03:34:47 PM
Just bought some Thunders. This is my third time (a charm?) trying to just accept that these are the trucks that work for me in current times. Pretty excited actually
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on April 22, 2019, 03:54:18 PM
I felt that the Thunders can hold manual balance but are way harder to tip into a manual. Getting on top of crooks kinda sucks. Rotational stuff felt solid and they seemed easier to powerslide somehow. But damn they cannot turn or carve for shit with the stock 94A in them.

Wondering if I should just use a longer wheelbase deck with my old Indy's instead.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on April 22, 2019, 04:25:17 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/448NVbmy/15802018-1724781814503820-1560248484903256064-n.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

soo does anybody know if this was scrapped? The round thunder baseplate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on April 22, 2019, 05:43:42 PM
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Just got hooked up with a set of the titanium Venture highs 5.2's. Are these too skinny to run on an 8.25 deck? I can't seem to fins a good Venture size chart.

Currently running Thunder 148's and like where they sit under the 8.25.
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you need 5.8s for a 8.25 you will be a little tucked on those 5.25s
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Was hoping that wasn't the case, I'll have to see if my local will let me swap em out.
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FWIW I was recently skating some 5.2s on an 8.25. There is a pic of it in the setup thread if you want to get an idea of how it looks. There was ample room to add washers to the inside and push the wheels out, but it felt fine to me.

Doesn’t look too bad. Maybe I’ll lightly put it all together to get an idea in person.

Are the 5.25 closer to a thunder 147? I really wish DLX would put out the same data for venture as they do fo thunder now that it’s all under one place.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 22, 2019, 08:43:17 PM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on April 22, 2019, 04:25:17 PM
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soo does anybody know if this was scrapped? The round thunder baseplate.

Dead silence.

Who knows...priorities with shit already in the queue? Maybe the fresh Venture reboot is slowing it down some? Same foundry/distro and launching new Thunders near new Ventures (8.25 and Ti variants) would cannibalize some market/mindshare?

Emerco owns [he IP of each of the big three trucks, they created all three, DLX/NHS and the now defunct Street corner (street corner and dlx were both founded by Vitello) are just distributors (sale channel middle men); Indy is still with NHS because of Novak.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on April 22, 2019, 09:05:22 PM
I could also see Frank swapping the baseplate
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on April 23, 2019, 02:06:34 AM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on April 22, 2019, 09:05:22 PM
I could also see Frank swapping the baseplate

its morfords IG post. Safe to assume it is a legit proto.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPGUy3GgasH/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1nu3roh4xtoz3

"Test truck for Ishod"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on April 23, 2019, 06:26:18 AM
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(https://i.postimg.cc/448NVbmy/15802018-1724781814503820-1560248484903256064-n.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

soo does anybody know if this was scrapped? The round thunder baseplate.
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Dead silence.

Who knows...priorities with shit already in the queue? Maybe the fresh Venture reboot is slowing it down some? Same foundry/distro and launching new Thunders near new Ventures (8.25 and Ti variants) would cannibalize some market/mindshare?

Emerco owns [he IP of each of the big three trucks, they created all three, DLX/NHS and the now defunct Street corner (street corner and dlx were both founded by Vitello) are just distributors (sale channel middle men); Indy is still with NHS because of Novak.

I don't know but if they ever do decide to make the baseplate longer I hope it isn't round like that. I can't see a benefit to a baseplate that doesn't lock in square with ledges. I would just like to see them give the baseplate 2-3mm more length but keep the same shape personally.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: talklessSkateMore on April 23, 2019, 08:44:41 AM
Red bottom ply and blue graphic is a nice combo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on April 23, 2019, 10:31:53 AM
lots of nose or tail slide marks with zero marks on the baseplate so my guess is it's not actually extended.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TooManyPros on April 23, 2019, 11:35:36 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on April 23, 2019, 10:31:53 AM
lots of nose or tail slide marks with zero marks on the baseplate so my guess is it's not actually extended.

Or fresh trucks on an old setup?

I wouldn't put it past Grewer from Frankentrucking, but what trucks have a rounded BP like that where it wouldn't match up with Thunder hanger geo? Surely vintage OG plates don't fit current models?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on April 23, 2019, 11:48:44 AM
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lots of nose or tail slide marks with zero marks on the baseplate so my guess is it's not actually extended.
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Or fresh trucks on an old setup?

I wouldn't put it past Grewer from Frankentrucking, but what trucks have a rounded BP like that where it wouldn't match up with Thunder hanger geo? Surely vintage OG plates don't fit current models?

Most likely prototypes, I was out in SF 9 years ago with some guys that own a shop. We stopped by DLX got the tour checked out the offices then Jim gave us all some proto gear to ride for the week. One dude got some Spits which I think turned into f4's, another dude got to try out some new shape they were testing for Real, I think this later became the low pro shapes. Jim let me ride some Thunders that were prototypes, mainly because I was the only one willing to ride new trucks on a trip. They are a little difficult to explain, the bottom bushings had wing like things that seated into the underside of the hanger running along the axle. The idea was to get the hanger back to center faster and be more responsive. I believe he said it was an idea that Busenitz came up with. He asked no photos be taken and I obliged, partly because Mic-E took us to dinner, partly casuse I didn't want to be black listed from skateboarding or fuck up the DLX relationship with the shop. Trucks were sick, hardly any break in time, I emailed my thoughts on them to an engineer and Jim they thanked me and sent me some hollow lights for "helping out".
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on April 23, 2019, 04:31:53 PM
Sick insight, thanks for the post ^

I suspect my 2-3 year old Thunder Ti’s are succumbing to axel slip. Was putting on wheels and I noticed that the nut on one side was barely all the way on there and was locking up the wheel while the other side had threads sticking out and plenty of wiggle room left.

Might hop back on the Theeve train before giving the 5.6 ventures a shot when they come out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on April 23, 2019, 06:31:39 PM
If anyone is following my personal truck madness which I am sure you are not - I decided to slice a big piece (probably 1/4) off the bottom ace bushing that I've had my indys, sanded it, and the top one down to be smooth, and then threw in the bottom washer that I hadn't been using (I always use the top) and now I can screw the kingpin bolt down to flush or a little under and it FUCKIN RIPS. I swear I skated way better today than I have for the last 8 months.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on April 23, 2019, 07:24:42 PM
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What do you guys think would be stronger, a hollow chromoly axle or a titanium alloy one?
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I would not buy the titaniums. Hollow has been around since the 80s with g&s. The truck was steel as well though.
 how do you really know that axles made of titanium. I would not be surprised if you got the regs at a higher price point and the shippers giggling at you.
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Use a magnet. Or you know, compare the weight…  ::)

Lol I can’t believe I didn’t think of using a magnet
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 23, 2019, 07:35:01 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on April 23, 2019, 06:31:39 PM
If anyone is following my personal truck madness which I am sure you are not - I decided to slice a big piece (probably 1/4) off the bottom ace bushing that I've had my indys, sanded it, and the top one down to be smooth, and then threw in the bottom washer that I hadn't been using (I always use the top) and now I can screw the kingpin bolt down to flush or a little under and it FUCKIN RIPS. I swear I skated way better today than I have for the last 8 months.

I went sorta opposite, stock ACE bottom + low ace top with a bones top washer (and the thinnest bottom washer I could find, I think it's an aftermarket indy bottom, as it's cups tighter) with riptide cup, in indy Ti, best feeling indy setup I've tinkered with (I ride on the looser side).

It isn't, however, as stable as it could be on center but that's the trade off.

ACE really killed it with the new bushings.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paul Cicero on April 25, 2019, 01:52:28 AM
I’m sure this has been done already, but anyone fucking with Thunder 148’s?

If so, what size deck you running?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Italianshredder96 on April 25, 2019, 02:31:03 AM
Quote from: Suit Up! on April 25, 2019, 01:52:28 AM
I’m sure this has been done already, but anyone fucking with Thunder 148’s?

If so, what size deck you running?

Tried 8.25, 8.38 and 8.5. I suggest not using 8.5 and above, too magic carpet. Be aware of the wb tho, 14 to 14.25 no more or it's like a longboard at least to me which I'm kinda short 5'7". Then if you want to switch out bushings thunder bushings are the best in thunder, I tried independent, krux and bones, they fuck up the geo. The best model at least to me is the team hollow, you have all the benefits of a hollow truck, but without any wheelbite problem (I run 54mm wheels and thunder 92a bushings) and they're still light enough 330g. I'm not that good yet to tell you about the nose slides matter, but I like them on transitions they're quick and on ledges they lock like a charm.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 25, 2019, 02:57:03 AM
Quote from: Suit Up! on April 25, 2019, 01:52:28 AM
I’m sure this has been done already, but anyone fucking with Thunder 148’s?

If so, what size deck you running?

I ran them on an 8.12 and they felt so stable and perfect

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paul Cicero on April 25, 2019, 03:43:00 AM
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I’m sure this has been done already, but anyone fucking with Thunder 148’s?

If so, what size deck you running?
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I ran them on an 8.12 and they felt so stable and perfect

Cheers Lad.. Did the trucks stick out?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on April 25, 2019, 05:28:44 AM
Quote from: Suit Up! on April 25, 2019, 01:52:28 AM
I’m sure this has been done already, but anyone fucking with Thunder 148’s?

If so, what size deck you running?

I am running them on 8.25, the quasi square shape. They aren't quite flush but very stable.

I have 149 on an old 8.25 and it is almost perfectly flush, running that one with softer wheels as a cruiserish set up
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 25, 2019, 06:35:43 AM
I've been running 8.25 on 148's and there is a bit of overhang for sure.  I'm about to set up an 8.125 just to see.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on April 25, 2019, 06:57:39 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 25, 2019, 06:35:43 AM
I've been running 8.25 on 148's and there is a bit of overhang for sure.  I'm about to set up an 8.125 just to see.....

This isn't the case for me I am experiencing a bit of tuck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on April 25, 2019, 07:54:33 AM
My thunder 147s show up tomorrow and I am excited like Xmas. Cannot wait to pop those magic thunder kickflips. In my now 43 year old low impact world, thunders and ventures just work better for me. Have not settled on either yet.

Is it weird to feel somewhat of a traitor for having been an Indy loyalist, but in my current state, feeling that they don't work for me anymore. Like breaking up with a long term girlfriend because now you just want different things.

 (In saying this, Indys have felt different to me since that stage 9 debacle but I kept coming back, hoping they'd feel right again. Funny looking back but I really felt slighted by them when stage 9 came out. Like "you guys will buy any bullshit we put our name on, here's the stage 9 diarrhea, go fuck yourselves". Hate that truck forever. Then I skated ventures and skated probably the best I ever had)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on April 25, 2019, 08:39:44 AM
Man this is really wanting me to try some thunders. Maybe thunder lights. I’m afraid I’m too big to go hollow lights.

Also does I skate shorter WB I try to be as close to 14” wheel base as possible. Does anyone know if ventures change wheel base the way thunders make it longer ? Currently on Indy’s. I think they keep the wheel base pretty neutral right?

Drop trucks changing  wheelbase knowledge on me. I’ve seen little bits and pieces in this thread but I guess I’m just looking for more info on it. To help make a decision between thunder and venture
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on April 25, 2019, 09:12:49 AM
Quote from: Murge on April 25, 2019, 08:39:44 AM
Man this is really wanting me to try some thunders. Maybe thunder lights. I’m afraid I’m too big to go hollow lights.

Also does I skate shorter WB I try to be as close to 14” wheel base as possible. Does anyone know if ventures change wheel base the way thunders make it longer ? Currently on Indy’s. I think they keep the wheel base pretty neutral right?

Drop trucks changing  wheelbase knowledge on me. I’ve seen little bits and pieces in this thread but I guess I’m just looking for more info on it. To help make a decision between thunder and venture

Venture and Thunder definitely both give you a longer wb than Indy. Ventures I'm pretty sure give you a tad bit longer wb than Thunders but very slightly so if at all. I'm short so I want a short wb but I also like Thunder and Venture therefore I'm sticking to decks with a 14-14 1/8 wb.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on April 25, 2019, 09:13:09 AM
Quote from: Murge on April 25, 2019, 08:39:44 AM
Man this is really wanting me to try some thunders. Maybe thunder lights. I’m afraid I’m too big to go hollow lights.

Also does I skate shorter WB I try to be as close to 14” wheel base as possible. Does anyone know if ventures change wheel base the way thunders make it longer ? Currently on Indy’s. I think they keep the wheel base pretty neutral right?

Drop trucks changing  wheelbase knowledge on me. I’ve seen little bits and pieces in this thread but I guess I’m just looking for more info on it. To help make a decision between thunder and venture
Ventrues less than Thunder but a little more than Indy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on April 25, 2019, 09:17:33 AM
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I’m sure this has been done already, but anyone fucking with Thunder 148’s?

If so, what size deck you running?
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I ran them on an 8.12 and they felt so stable and perfect
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Cheers Lad.. Did the trucks stick out?

I'm running this setup too on an 8.12 Krooked and the axles seem practically flush with the deck, I don't see them sticking out at all. Feels very stable and nice like Rob said.

(http://i65.tinypic.com/w1r20w.jpg)
(http://i63.tinypic.com/287g8er.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: talklessSkateMore on April 25, 2019, 09:19:07 AM
Indy's make the wb smaller

Thunders on 14.25 wb max..

I bought the wrong board with 14.5 wb (meant to get 14.25) and it feels way steep/heavy at the nose.

Bad vibes from ben degros, but he has 3 decent youtube videos about wheelbase
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TooManyPros on April 25, 2019, 09:56:13 AM
8.125" w/14.12WB, paired with Thunder 148s, very fun ride. Trucks don't stick out at all (that I can actually see when riding it).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 25, 2019, 10:00:21 AM
Quote from: Idk on April 25, 2019, 09:13:09 AM
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Man this is really wanting me to try some thunders. Maybe thunder lights. I’m afraid I’m too big to go hollow lights.

Also does I skate shorter WB I try to be as close to 14” wheel base as possible. Does anyone know if ventures change wheel base the way thunders make it longer ? Currently on Indy’s. I think they keep the wheel base pretty neutral right?

Drop trucks changing  wheelbase knowledge on me. I’ve seen little bits and pieces in this thread but I guess I’m just looking for more info on it. To help make a decision between thunder and venture
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Ventrues less than Thunder but a little more than Indy.

Venture HIs actually extend it the most.

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fq4An-DEfqc/T8URoZ_4GFI/AAAAAAAAAs8/MCWo3sQAtcg/s1600/149+axle+placement.jpg)

The smaller 5.2 WB is from the street corner ventures, not that there are many around. The difference in the 5.8 light and the 5.8 standard is due to the forged baseplate on the light changing the axle position slightly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on April 25, 2019, 08:31:10 PM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on April 22, 2019, 04:25:17 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/448NVbmy/15802018-1724781814503820-1560248484903256064-n.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

soo does anybody know if this was scrapped? The round thunder baseplate.

That plate is the old style. We had rounded plates by the pivot cup. The thunder logos on the plates were like pirate themed more or less. I heard it was a pressing of Borgy’s earrings or something.

But yeah that’s the old style plate  I wonder if the back has the funky kingpin towr design. It was pretty far out looking.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 26, 2019, 06:50:41 AM
I can't remember the design of the old plate but the emblems were lizards, there was like a sword I think, and way back it was a skull and crossbones...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on April 26, 2019, 07:10:38 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 26, 2019, 06:50:41 AM
I can't remember the design of the old plate but the emblems were lizards, there was like a sword I think, and way back it was a skull and crossbones...

Yes then the squared off happens at the tfour. That was a good truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 26, 2019, 09:21:19 AM
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I can't remember the design of the old plate but the emblems were lizards, there was like a sword I think, and way back it was a skull and crossbones...
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Yes then the squared off happens at the tfour. That was a good truck.

(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/372516233193_/Vintage-Old-School-THUNDER-skateboard-Trucks-base-plates.jpg)

(http://oldlongboards.com/wp-content/uploads/Vintage_80s_Powell_Peralta_Steve_Caballero_Skateboard_Old_School_Thunder_Trucks_04_xloj.jpg)
(http://oldlongboards.com/wp-content/uploads/Vintage_80s_Powell_Peralta_Steve_Caballero_Skateboard_Old_School_Thunder_Trucks_03_cho.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on April 26, 2019, 03:20:44 PM
Quote from: Xen on April 26, 2019, 09:21:19 AM
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I can't remember the design of the old plate but the emblems were lizards, there was like a sword I think, and way back it was a skull and crossbones...
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Yes then the squared off happens at the tfour. That was a good truck.
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(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/372516233193_/Vintage-Old-School-THUNDER-skateboard-Trucks-base-plates.jpg)

(http://oldlongboards.com/wp-content/uploads/Vintage_80s_Powell_Peralta_Steve_Caballero_Skateboard_Old_School_Thunder_Trucks_04_xloj.jpg)
(http://oldlongboards.com/wp-content/uploads/Vintage_80s_Powell_Peralta_Steve_Caballero_Skateboard_Old_School_Thunder_Trucks_03_cho.jpg)

So cool.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: talklessSkateMore on April 26, 2019, 04:41:49 PM
Just picked up ace 44's. The top washer on both trucks is to small..

Guess I'll use stock indy bushings for now

(http://i65.tinypic.com/331lw1s.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 26, 2019, 05:19:30 PM
jesus christ.  just when you think Ace finally has their shit together.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on April 26, 2019, 05:36:48 PM
Quote from: talklessSkateMore on April 26, 2019, 04:41:49 PM
Just picked up ace 44's. The top washer on both trucks is to small..

Guess I'll use stock indy bushings for now

(http://i65.tinypic.com/331lw1s.jpg)

(https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/picard.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on April 26, 2019, 07:23:16 PM
Quote from: talklessSkateMore on April 26, 2019, 04:41:49 PM
Just picked up ace 44's. The top washer on both trucks is to small..

Guess I'll use stock indy bushings for now

(http://i65.tinypic.com/331lw1s.jpg)

You tighten that shit too much or something. Just put a bones med in there. I been running a med top for over a year now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: talklessSkateMore on April 26, 2019, 07:29:58 PM
I didn't touch the kingpin nut at all. It came like this from the shop (the nut, not the bushing sides). The kingpin isn't cut straight, so it looks like they are tighter than flush

Put them on the board, turned left, right and they stuck to 1 side..

*** ACE replied to my email really quickly. Steve is willing to replace the bushings/washers asap. 10/10
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on April 26, 2019, 07:35:59 PM
Quote from: talklessSkateMore on April 26, 2019, 07:29:58 PM
I didn't touch the kingpin nut at all. It came like this from the shop. The kingpin isn't cut straight, so it looks like they are tighter than flush

Put them on the board, turned left, right and they stuck to 1 side..

I had the same thing happen on some 66s I bought last month - except it was the bottom bushing that blew.  I didn't tighten the kinpin and it popped like that just standing on it in the living room.  I put it back in and the same thing happened again.   I put in some Mini Logo bushings I had sitting around and they worked.

I'll also note that it happened to some Krux I had last summer.  Same deal - didn't even make it out of the driveway. Serves me right for buying Krux - but they were only $10 for the pair.



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 26, 2019, 07:41:56 PM
Re: Thunders, at some point Shrewgy broke the whole thing down....dunno where that went. 

Set up my 148's on a 8.125.  Fits well enough no nuts from the top, but I see my nuts more often... Koo....koo....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on April 26, 2019, 08:00:40 PM
Quote from: talklessSkateMore on April 26, 2019, 07:29:58 PM
I didn't touch the kingpin nut at all. It came like this from the shop (the nut, not the bushing sides). The kingpin isn't cut straight, so it looks like they are tighter than flush

Put them on the board, turned left, right and they stuck to 1 side..

*** ACE replied to my email really quickly. Steve is willing to replace the bushings/washers asap. 10/10

I see now
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on April 26, 2019, 08:16:42 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BwvXC_olgm2/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on April 26, 2019, 08:28:58 PM
When are the 8.25 Venture supposed to drop?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 27, 2019, 05:32:14 AM
Quote from: Suit Up! on April 25, 2019, 03:43:00 AM
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I’m sure this has been done already, but anyone fucking with Thunder 148’s?

If so, what size deck you running?
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I ran them on an 8.12 and they felt so stable and perfect
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Cheers Lad.. Did the trucks stick out?

A little but nothing crazy, not hotdogging it Forsure haha

Quote from: j....soy..... on April 26, 2019, 07:41:56 PM
Re: Thunders, at some point Shrewgy broke the whole thing down....dunno where that went. 

Set up my 148's on a 8.125.  Fits well enough no nuts from the top, but I see my nuts more often... Koo....koo....

Doesn’t the setup feel great? It’s medium sized enough to flip around but stable enough you feel secure
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on April 27, 2019, 07:52:03 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 26, 2019, 07:41:56 PM
Re: Thunders, at some point Shrewgy broke the whole thing down....dunno where that went. 

Set up my 148's on a 8.125.  Fits well enough no nuts from the top, but I see my nuts more often... Koo....koo....

Here's the break down... Nerd out...
https://skullandbonesskateboards.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=105448&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=d8db21debeeffae159fe2c0f284764dd (https://skullandbonesskateboards.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=105448&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=d8db21debeeffae159fe2c0f284764dd)

Some things to panic about here:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/stepford13/IMG_2512.jpg)

I'd still love to see some truck reissues...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on April 27, 2019, 10:55:27 AM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on April 26, 2019, 08:16:42 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BwvXC_olgm2/

Had a set of these when I was younger.  This was before the rule about mall grabbing got added.  When you mall grabbed them your middle finger fell right into that philtrum thing.  It felt good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CHONGO on April 28, 2019, 12:47:16 AM
seems like up here ventures are on the way back to the top.
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Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on April 28, 2019, 01:57:02 AM
No washers 3/4 of the way to stupid loose.
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Post by: thebacker on April 28, 2019, 10:17:56 AM
anyone have bushing recommendations for ventures?
 
Stock? Bones?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Larry Dallas on April 28, 2019, 10:35:00 AM
Quote from: DaveFuck on April 28, 2019, 10:17:56 AM
anyone have bushing recommendations for ventures?
 
Stock? Bones?
I’ve got ventures on everything, just running stockbushings. I have some bones mediums in a set and it doesn’t really matter.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: talklessSkateMore on April 28, 2019, 11:14:14 AM
Regardless of bushing duro, Ventures are limited in their depth of turn. I enjoyed my set of 5.2 hi's the most with the stock bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 28, 2019, 01:47:26 PM
I put some medium hard green dlx bushings in my v-light 5.2s, but I had to sand the bottom bushing down to make it the same height as the stock. The stock bushings are 90a.

I remember a while back someone said doh dohs worked well in ventures but I've never tried it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on April 28, 2019, 02:16:36 PM
I've got a set in my most beaten up Ventures - Doh Doh 100a Rock Hard. They work well, loosely screwed down, nice bouncy turn but good wheelbite stoppers at that duro.

Stock in other 3 setups work great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on April 28, 2019, 07:16:42 PM
word, thanks everyone


i ended up taking out the top washer with the stock bushings and everything feels great so far
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on April 28, 2019, 09:14:45 PM
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anyone have bushing recommendations for ventures?
 
Stock? Bones?
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Stock venture bushings are pretty soft and turn well but it gets progressively harder to turn due to the barrel shape. Bones center the board and turn more quickly. The bottom bones bushing is slightly shorter than stock. For my 5.2 lows, I bought two sets of bones bushings so i can use the washers they come with on both the bottom and top as it allowed me to maintain the geometry and screw on the kingpin nut.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on April 29, 2019, 09:32:47 AM
I have an 8.88” I wanna finally get around to skating. Biggest board I’ve ever purchased. I wanna try something new in regards to trucks and only use ones that will fit the Krux kingpin without epoxy. Anyone try those 9” Krux? How’s Krux turning in general? Lastly, do Thunder team’s fit the Krux kingpin without epoxy? 151’s seem like the only other option. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on April 29, 2019, 10:20:41 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on April 29, 2019, 09:32:47 AM
I have an 8.88” I wanna finally get around to skating. Biggest board I’ve ever purchased. I wanna try something new in regards to trucks and only use ones that will fit the Krux kingpin without epoxy. Anyone try those 9” Krux? How’s Krux turning in general? Lastly, do Thunder team’s fit the Krux kingpin without epoxy? 151’s seem like the only other option. Thanks in advance.

Haven't used the 9" Krux, but have used the 8.5".  Turn on them is pretty shit.  I think I skated them for about 10 minutes total.  For reference, I mainly skate Indy and Mini Logo.

Ace 55s?  Maybe someone who has used Krux Kingpins in them can chime in as to how easy/hard it was.  I see a few people above did it.



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 29, 2019, 10:27:27 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on April 29, 2019, 09:32:47 AM
I have an 8.88” I wanna finally get around to skating. Biggest board I’ve ever purchased. I wanna try something new in regards to trucks and only use ones that will fit the Krux kingpin without epoxy. Anyone try those 9” Krux? How’s Krux turning in general? Lastly, do Thunder team’s fit the Krux kingpin without epoxy? 151’s seem like the only other option. Thanks in advance.

Thunder Teams can't take the pins without epoxy if you try and crank them down after you've set them up, the nut will eventually spin...it almost locks it down. Last time I set up cast plates with the pins I put in a drop of super glue, it worked fine (but I never messed with them after).

Unpopular opinion but if you want to try something new (and can take the pins but with epoxy), and want a truck that actually turns, Theeve makes 6.5/9" hanger, could snag the TiAXs. What about Indys? 159 (8.75) or 169s would fit nice.

backinaction, ACE need epoxy when running the Krux Pins.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 29, 2019, 01:14:55 PM
I ride 'medium' trucks and I have the krux in aces and thunders, no epoxy and they work fine.  I just have to leave them, or I adjust them between setting up boards. 

To me they are sick on thunders because the clearance is shit....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 29, 2019, 02:50:40 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 29, 2019, 01:14:55 PM
I ride 'medium' trucks and I have the krux in aces and thunders, no epoxy and they work fine.  I just have to leave them, or I adjust them between setting up boards. 

To me they are sick on thunders because the clearance is shit....

Damn I’m tempted to throw some of those kingpins on the thunders now, they won’t spin? Cause I remembered thunder also has that square section where it can hold the nut but it’s too wide to keep it secure?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on April 29, 2019, 03:37:46 PM
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I ride 'medium' trucks and I have the krux in aces and thunders, no epoxy and they work fine.  I just have to leave them, or I adjust them between setting up boards. 

To me they are sick on thunders because the clearance is shit....
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Damn I’m tempted to throw some of those kingpins on the thunders now, they won’t spin? Cause I remembered thunder also has that square section where it can hold the nut but it’s too wide to keep it secure?

He's saying they will spin, just set them before you put the trucks back on the board and don't worry about it. I find they make the trucks slightly more squirley since the kingpin isn't totally solid but it's probably not a big deal to most.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on April 29, 2019, 05:27:10 PM
Do Ventures have more or less turn than Thunders?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on April 29, 2019, 06:17:40 PM
What's the usual thunder break-in process? Don't adjust trucks -> 3 sessions -> then good? I've got one session in but it keeps raining
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on April 29, 2019, 06:26:29 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on April 29, 2019, 05:27:10 PM
Do Ventures have more or less turn than Thunders?

They seem to turn less than thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 29, 2019, 10:41:41 PM
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I ride 'medium' trucks and I have the krux in aces and thunders, no epoxy and they work fine.  I just have to leave them, or I adjust them between setting up boards. 

To me they are sick on thunders because the clearance is shit....
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Damn I’m tempted to throw some of those kingpins on the thunders now, they won’t spin? Cause I remembered thunder also has that square section where it can hold the nut but it’s too wide to keep it secure?
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He's saying they will spin, just set them before you put the trucks back on the board and don't worry about it. I find they make the trucks slightly more squirley since the kingpin isn't totally solid but it's probably not a big deal to most.

I don't find the kingpins is loose and because I skate em on the tighter side everything stays snug.  It's gotta be OG baseplate...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on April 30, 2019, 06:30:54 AM
I tried Krux kingpins in my Thunders for a day and took them out because I heard and felt a weird click when I maxed them out and the turn didn't feel quite the same but maybe I was just going crazy. Also, I think I'm one of those weird people who prefers not having lots of kingpin clearance on smith grinds. I like having a nicely ground down kingpin bolt to rest them on or I dip too far and fall off. I think going from 147s to 148s actually kinda messed up my smiths at first due to the increased clearance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chanel West Coast on April 30, 2019, 07:29:04 AM
Quote from: fang on April 29, 2019, 06:17:40 PM
What's the usual thunder break-in process? Don't adjust trucks -> 3 sessions -> then good? I've got one session in but it keeps raining

of all the trucks ive skated thunders feel the best right away, i'd say one long session or two sessions for break in time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on April 30, 2019, 07:52:37 AM
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of all the trucks ive skated thunders feel the best right away, i'd say one long session or two sessions for break in time.

Thunders skate well for me 1st session, I swap the bushings for bones medium tighten the kingpin nut down so its flush with the bolt and forget about it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TooManyPros on April 30, 2019, 08:10:42 AM
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What's the usual thunder break-in process? Don't adjust trucks -> 3 sessions -> then good? I've got one session in but it keeps raining
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of all the trucks ive skated thunders feel the best right away, i'd say one long session or two sessions for break in time.

Seconded.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on April 30, 2019, 08:42:07 AM
yeah one session at default then adjust as needed. my current set i just cruised around and popped ollies and shit for like a half hour/hour, tightened a pinch and theyve been great ever since.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on April 30, 2019, 03:16:06 PM
My first session sucked but not because of trucks,  my back was stiff from working on my yard all day, couldn't even Ollie. Didn't really achieve a true session. Now it's rained 3 days straight. Wanna break these bad boys in
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 30, 2019, 04:02:44 PM
Quote from: Chanel West Coast on April 30, 2019, 07:29:04 AM
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What's the usual thunder break-in process? Don't adjust trucks -> 3 sessions -> then good? I've got one session in but it keeps raining
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of all the trucks ive skated thunders feel the best right away, i'd say one long session or two sessions for break in time.

Same here EXCEPT for the clear piss yellow ones, they felt hard and I didn't enjoy them. Every other pair with plain white bushings feels better; I wonder if it has to do with clear vs opaque?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 30, 2019, 04:33:44 PM
If had the red ones which were sick.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SadandLonely on April 30, 2019, 05:59:29 PM
I ride no washers because I need loose and wobbly trucks...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 01, 2019, 02:04:57 AM
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What's the usual thunder break-in process? Don't adjust trucks -> 3 sessions -> then good? I've got one session in but it keeps raining
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of all the trucks ive skated thunders feel the best right away, i'd say one long session or two sessions for break in time.
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Same here EXCEPT for the clear piss yellow ones, they felt hard and I didn't enjoy them. Every other pair with plain white bushings feels better; I wonder if it has to do with clear vs opaque?

That’s crazy cause I like the yellow ones, they’re the classic 147 and 149 thunder bushings

The white ones definitely feel softer and better for looser riders but I ride my trucks tight so the yellow are perfect for me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on May 01, 2019, 06:25:49 AM
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What's the usual thunder break-in process? Don't adjust trucks -> 3 sessions -> then good? I've got one session in but it keeps raining
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of all the trucks ive skated thunders feel the best right away, i'd say one long session or two sessions for break in time.
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Same here EXCEPT for the clear piss yellow ones, they felt hard and I didn't enjoy them. Every other pair with plain white bushings feels better; I wonder if it has to do with clear vs opaque?
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That’s crazy cause I like the yellow ones, they’re the classic 147 and 149 thunder bushings

The white ones definitely feel softer and better for looser riders but I ride my trucks tight so the yellow are perfect for me

can i use the white thunder bushings in ventures?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on May 01, 2019, 10:38:46 AM
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What's the usual thunder break-in process? Don't adjust trucks -> 3 sessions -> then good? I've got one session in but it keeps raining
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of all the trucks ive skated thunders feel the best right away, i'd say one long session or two sessions for break in time.
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Same here EXCEPT for the clear piss yellow ones, they felt hard and I didn't enjoy them. Every other pair with plain white bushings feels better; I wonder if it has to do with clear vs opaque?
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That’s crazy cause I like the yellow ones, they’re the classic 147 and 149 thunder bushings

The white ones definitely feel softer and better for looser riders but I ride my trucks tight so the yellow are perfect for me
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can i use the white thunder bushings in ventures?


I think they will be too tall. At least on Venture Lo`s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Technique on May 01, 2019, 10:48:35 AM
Full stock 169 Indys. Quit playing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chanel West Coast on May 01, 2019, 09:09:23 PM
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What's the usual thunder break-in process? Don't adjust trucks -> 3 sessions -> then good? I've got one session in but it keeps raining
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of all the trucks ive skated thunders feel the best right away, i'd say one long session or two sessions for break in time.
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Same here EXCEPT for the clear piss yellow ones, they felt hard and I didn't enjoy them. Every other pair with plain white bushings feels better; I wonder if it has to do with clear vs opaque?

Theres no real fact to this but what ive been told (and experienced) is that all the stock colors are the same duro, but some react differently.  apparently a lot of people specifically go for the white ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 01, 2019, 11:59:40 PM
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What's the usual thunder break-in process? Don't adjust trucks -> 3 sessions -> then good? I've got one session in but it keeps raining
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of all the trucks ive skated thunders feel the best right away, i'd say one long session or two sessions for break in time.
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Same here EXCEPT for the clear piss yellow ones, they felt hard and I didn't enjoy them. Every other pair with plain white bushings feels better; I wonder if it has to do with clear vs opaque?
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That’s crazy cause I like the yellow ones, they’re the classic 147 and 149 thunder bushings

The white ones definitely feel softer and better for looser riders but I ride my trucks tight so the yellow are perfect for me
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can i use the white thunder bushings in ventures?

I’d say go for it

Cause from my experience the thunder bushings, especially the white ones, work in most trucks fine

I kinda prefer thunder bushings over other after market bushings in non thunder trucks just cause they still have that rebound just a bit looser in other trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on May 02, 2019, 12:14:39 AM
The thunder bottom is kinda tall. In a venture I would use bones or Indy replacement parts. Pj uses bones in his ventures. I’m telling you right now I’ve seen him skate. He turns np
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oneOone on May 02, 2019, 12:51:58 AM
I ran Bones in Venture lows 5.2 for a long time and sometimes got wheelbite doing bs nosegrinds.
Changed to stock Venture bushings on the bottom and  medium or hard Bones top bushings and the wheelbite issue is solved, the trucks feels a little bit more stable not a quick as before but after a few minutes i got used to it.

Now this is solved my truck madness is questioning the forged baseplates.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on May 02, 2019, 06:21:00 AM
Quote from: Dustwardprez on May 02, 2019, 12:14:39 AM
The thunder bottom is kinda tall. In a venture I would use bones or Indy replacement parts. Pj uses bones in his ventures. I’m telling you right now I’ve seen him skate. He turns np

word ill check this out when i get a chance
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chanel West Coast on May 02, 2019, 08:44:27 AM
I second bones bushing for ventures, but not for thunders.  take too long to break in, and then actually break soon after because the geometry is for indys/ventures not thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on May 02, 2019, 08:59:01 AM
Quote from: Chanel West Coast on May 02, 2019, 08:44:27 AM
I second bones bushing for ventures, but not for thunders.  take too long to break in, and then actually break soon after because the geometry is for indys/ventures not thunders.

I've been running bones medium in thunder highs for years without issues
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drunk guy on May 02, 2019, 10:15:03 AM
venture highs and bones yellow tops
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: curbslayer on May 02, 2019, 10:29:59 AM
most people that i know who skate thunders always swap for bones bushings .
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chanel West Coast on May 02, 2019, 12:31:01 PM
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I second bones bushing for ventures, but not for thunders.  take too long to break in, and then actually break soon after because the geometry is for indys/ventures not thunders.
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I've been running bones medium in thunder highs for years without issues

maybe its just the way I skate then, the hard yellow always jams/gets pushed into the softer bushing part after a month or less for me, was told by dude at the shop its because the angle of the kingpin is different on thunders vs. indys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dr Hfuhruhurr on May 02, 2019, 12:36:18 PM
I got tired of the hard blue part of the Bones Bushings separating from the bushing and falling apart after a few weeks.

I run flat washers top and bottom and I use the white Indy super soft bushings.  I have the extra strength Loc Tite on both kingpins so I can run them super loose without worrying about the nut falling off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on May 02, 2019, 01:16:00 PM
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I second bones bushing for ventures, but not for thunders.  take too long to break in, and then actually break soon after because the geometry is for indys/ventures not thunders.
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I've been running bones medium in thunder highs for years without issues
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maybe its just the way I skate then, the hard yellow always jams/gets pushed into the softer bushing part after a month or less for me, was told by dude at the shop its because the angle of the kingpin is different on thunders vs. indys.

How far are you cranking down the kingpin nut? I'm tightening mine just enough that they won't fall off
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chanel West Coast on May 02, 2019, 06:50:12 PM
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I second bones bushing for ventures, but not for thunders.  take too long to break in, and then actually break soon after because the geometry is for indys/ventures not thunders.
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I've been running bones medium in thunder highs for years without issues
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maybe its just the way I skate then, the hard yellow always jams/gets pushed into the softer bushing part after a month or less for me, was told by dude at the shop its because the angle of the kingpin is different on thunders vs. indys.
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How far are you cranking down the kingpin nut? I'm tightening mine just enough that they won't fall off

pretty standard, its happened to me every time I skate them and I know its pretty common, the person above this just described the same thing happening to them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on May 02, 2019, 07:11:47 PM
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I second bones bushing for ventures, but not for thunders.  take too long to break in, and then actually break soon after because the geometry is for indys/ventures not thunders.
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I've been running bones medium in thunder highs for years without issues
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maybe its just the way I skate then, the hard yellow always jams/gets pushed into the softer bushing part after a month or less for me, was told by dude at the shop its because the angle of the kingpin is different on thunders vs. indys.

Nothing to do with the angle of the kingpin everything to do with the height of the bushing the truck was designed for. All the interfacing between bushings/washers/hanger should be flat to flat. When you take a Bones bottom bushing and put it in a Thunder, it's considerably shorter and the hanger sits at an angle it wasn't designed for. All the pressure when you stand, turn, and land is smoking the Bones bushing harder on one side and you get the blow out from the angles being screwed.

Indy, Venture, and DLX Supercush are all pretty interchangeable. Thunders bottoms are too tall for any of those. Only other bushing with the same bottom height as a Thunder is Ace (standard). But then the Ace top is too tall for Thunder and you're in frankentruck territory.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on May 03, 2019, 02:23:54 AM
Got 5.8 Venture V-Lights recently. Put some green supercush in at first, then tried Bones hards, then stock, now I'm back on the Bones hards, definitely feels the best to me.

The supercush and stock are nice, fit perfectly and the turn is quite smooth but the do make the truck feel a little more wheelbite prone and the it feels a little harder to have the trucks perfectly centred when setting up for a trick compared to the Bones. Funny how somebody above had the exact opposite experience. Was hesitant to use the Bones at first because they didn't seem to fit as well but it works and feels better to me.

I came from Indy 149 titaniums, not an incredibly drastic difference. The turn feels similar, but a little slower and not as sharp. Pop feels a little more snappy and overall feels more stable at the expense of a quick sharp turn. The extended wheelbase is nice as I can skate shorter boards and retain the same effective wheelbase.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on May 03, 2019, 08:26:56 AM
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I second bones bushing for ventures, but not for thunders.  take too long to break in, and then actually break soon after because the geometry is for indys/ventures not thunders.
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I've been running bones medium in thunder highs for years without issues
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maybe its just the way I skate then, the hard yellow always jams/gets pushed into the softer bushing part after a month or less for me, was told by dude at the shop its because the angle of the kingpin is different on thunders vs. indys.
This eventually happens to me as well no matter the truck, but the geo being off definitely exacerbates the issue.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on May 04, 2019, 01:00:06 PM
Bones plus a smaller lower washer is the same height as a stock Thunder bushing and probably avoids the blowout. So, a Bones bushing is ~1-1.5mm shorter.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on May 04, 2019, 05:08:08 PM
ive put krux 80a in venture hi's and they didnt fit or feel great. riptide 78a short street cone up top and 78a street barrel bottom make them feel better than stock imo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on May 04, 2019, 06:36:05 PM
Annoying question. I keep switching from 8.25 to 8.38 to 8.5 on Indy’s. Trying to get some thunders but do I go 148 or 149?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on May 04, 2019, 06:52:18 PM
Quote from: Murge on May 04, 2019, 06:36:05 PM
Annoying question. I keep switching from 8.25 to 8.38 to 8.5 on Indy’s. Trying to get some thunders but do I go 148 or 149?

149's would be a safe bet for any of those widths.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: talklessSkateMore on May 04, 2019, 07:38:28 PM
Quote from: oneOone on May 02, 2019, 12:51:58 AM
Now this is solved my truck madness is questioning the forged baseplates.

My opinion amd experience is limited, but I find the standard cast baseplates more enjoyable
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on May 04, 2019, 08:00:54 PM
Quote from: palelight on May 04, 2019, 06:52:18 PM
Quote from: Murge on May 04, 2019, 06:36:05 PM
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Annoying question. I keep switching from 8.25 to 8.38 to 8.5 on Indy’s. Trying to get some thunders but do I go 148 or 149?
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149's would be a safe bet for any of those widths.

Very much appreciated. Thank you.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: WorkClothscape on May 04, 2019, 11:50:11 PM
I have Thunder 145's, the cheapest version, nothing hollow or forged and the piss-yellow bushings.

They don't have any kingpin clearance. I don't need much, like in my other setup I'm running 148's and thats enough for me. Have you guys solved this problem somehow or are you just grinding with your kingpins?

Another problem is that I can't get them loose enough. Tried to take off the top washer and loosen the nut, but that isn't enough. In fact I even went so loose that the nut and the front hanger fell off mid 50-50. Is there a bushing that would be so soft that I could tighten the nut properly and still turn?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on May 05, 2019, 01:25:34 AM
Quote from: WorkClothscape on May 04, 2019, 11:50:11 PM
I have Thunder 145's, the cheapest version, nothing hollow or forged and the piss-yellow bushings.

They don't have any kingpin clearance. I don't need much, like in my other setup I'm running 148's and thats enough for me. Have you guys solved this problem somehow or are you just grinding with your kingpins?

Another problem is that I can't get them loose enough. Tried to take off the top washer and loosen the nut, but that isn't enough. In fact I even went so loose that the nut and the front hanger fell off mid 50-50. Is there a bushing that would be so soft that I could tighten the nut properly and still turn?

How loose you aiming for? Like rattling Max Palmer loose? If so you might have to shave the top bushing down, but Thunder tops are already shorter than most other brands out there. Gerwer and Bobby De Keyzer are the only names I can recall that run Thunders super loose and they both chop the bushings down to get them there.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: WorkClothscape on May 05, 2019, 01:52:29 AM
Quote from: palelight on May 05, 2019, 01:25:34 AM
How loose you aiming for? Like rattling Max Palmer loose? If so you might have to shave the top bushing down, but Thunder tops are already shorter than most other brands out there. Gerwer and Bobby De Keyzer are the only names I can recall that run Thunders super loose and they both chop the bushings down to get them there.

No, not that loose. In my 148s I have well broken in bushings and the nuts are flush with the kingpin top. That's about the looseness what I'm hoping to get with the 145.

Have to try chopping the top bushing, thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on May 05, 2019, 02:02:03 AM
Quote from: WorkClothscape on May 05, 2019, 01:52:29 AM
Quote from: palelight on May 05, 2019, 01:25:34 AM
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How loose you aiming for? Like rattling Max Palmer loose? If so you might have to shave the top bushing down, but Thunder tops are already shorter than most other brands out there. Gerwer and Bobby De Keyzer are the only names I can recall that run Thunders super loose and they both chop the bushings down to get them there.
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No, not that loose. In my 148s I have well broken in bushings and the nuts are flush with the kingpin top. That's about the looseness what I'm hoping to get with the 145.

Have to try chopping the top bushing, thanks for the tip.

Understood. Maybe give the 90d bushings a try, the clear red ones that come in the Thunder rebuild kits. When I rode Thunders I found them to be the softest available. They came stock in the Team Hollows/Titaniums they did a few drops back and a lot of people complained they were too soft. They had almost no break-in time. Might be worth checking out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: papo on May 05, 2019, 11:42:48 AM
Mini logo trucks anyone? I wonder what yall experience is. I have some 8.38 for my 8.5 deck and once you have broken into them, they feel decent. Still, the bushings feel odd compared to those on my Indy trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on May 05, 2019, 12:29:49 PM
Quote from: papo on May 05, 2019, 11:42:48 AM
Mini logo trucks anyone? I wonder what yall experience is. I have some 8.38 for my 8.5 deck and once you have broken into them, they feel decent. Still, the bushings feel odd compared to those on my Indy trucks.

I really like them.  Dont expect any respect riding them ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: papo on May 05, 2019, 01:28:35 PM
Quote from: ultrabra on May 05, 2019, 12:29:49 PM
Quote from: papo on May 05, 2019, 11:42:48 AM
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Mini logo trucks anyone? I wonder what yall experience is. I have some 8.38 for my 8.5 deck and once you have broken into them, they feel decent. Still, the bushings feel odd compared to those on my Indy trucks.
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I really like them.  Dont expect any respect riding them ;D
i could care less about other people’s respect, I did wonder about people’s experience. Took me a min to get used to them but now I like them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on May 05, 2019, 03:06:33 PM
Quote from: talklessSkateMore on May 04, 2019, 07:38:28 PM
Quote from: oneOone on May 02, 2019, 12:51:58 AM
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Now this is solved my truck madness is questioning the forged baseplates.
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My opinion amd experience is limited, but I find the standard cast baseplates more enjoyable

Cast plates add an extra 1-2mm compared to forged plates. I kinda like the cast plates because of the extra height, and the fact that my hardware doesn't stick out much. Forged is lighter and stronger, factors that aren't very important for my kind of skating.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: reverbtank on May 05, 2019, 03:27:24 PM
Anyone else put Bones bushings on a 159 Indy Hollow?

I’m getting this ridiculous pop every time I turn both left and right. I think it’s from the bottom bushing like it fits too tight in the bottom of the hanger and it’s popping out when it’s under pressure.

It’s really aggravating me and it’s been months of riding and it won’t stop. I don’t have this issue on regular Indy’s with Bones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on May 05, 2019, 05:00:06 PM
Quote from: reverbtank on May 05, 2019, 03:27:24 PM
Anyone else put Bones bushings on a 159 Indy Hollow?

I’m getting this ridiculous pop every time I turn both left and right. I think it’s from the bottom bushing like it fits too tight in the bottom of the hanger and it’s popping out when it’s under pressure.

It’s really aggravating me and it’s been months of riding and it won’t stop. I don’t have this issue on regular Indy’s with Bones.

Wax the bushings and pivot cup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on May 05, 2019, 05:17:26 PM
Quote from: reverbtank on May 05, 2019, 03:27:24 PM
Anyone else put Bones bushings on a 159 Indy Hollow?

I’m getting this ridiculous pop every time I turn both left and right. I think it’s from the bottom bushing like it fits too tight in the bottom of the hanger and it’s popping out when it’s under pressure.

It’s really aggravating me and it’s been months of riding and it won’t stop. I don’t have this issue on regular Indy’s with Bones.

It sometimes happens to me when I get new bones bushings. Try wax pivot cups and bushings, and maybe try some different washer combinations. For me it usually went away after a few sessions so months on end seems really strange.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on May 05, 2019, 06:02:01 PM
Not chirping on anyone who rides Bones in Indy's, but I've never heard it articulated well, what's the benefit of Bones over aftermarket Indy bushings? I understand stock Indy's bushings can be a bit shit, but I've seen more than enough blown out Bones to consider the quality angle a wash. I've only ever had Bones in a set of Ventures, and noticed no real improvement in turn/stability etc. Genuinely curious.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: talklessSkateMore on May 05, 2019, 07:49:00 PM
Quote from: palelight on May 05, 2019, 06:02:01 PM
Not chirping on anyone who rides Bones in Indy's, but I've never heard it articulated well, what's the benefit of Bones over aftermarket Indy bushings? I understand stock Indy's bushings can be a bit shit, but I've seen more than enough blown out Bones to consider the quality angle a wash. I've only ever had Bones in a set of Ventures, and noticed no real improvement in turn/stability etc. Genuinely curious.

The increased rebound/resistance from the plastic core in the center/top. Using both stock washers helps increase the life of the bushings. At +/- 150lbs I can only ride the soft bones. The mediums just didn't offer the turn I wanted
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: reverbtank on May 05, 2019, 08:52:07 PM
Yeah I can’t say I noticed a massive improvement, but it was certainly a bit of an improvement. They feel broken in immediately.

What bushings would y’all recommend? My local shop only carries Bones and Indy bushings at the moment.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 06, 2019, 04:31:17 AM
Bones basically don't fit correctly in any trucks except stage 10 indys.  I don't know why they don't just make various sizes for different trucks currently on the market
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on May 06, 2019, 04:43:19 AM
i've always wondered what exactly causes bushings to blow out as i seem to do with every set of trucks i have. for example both my front and rear trucks are basically this:

(https://i.imgur.com/DvufiENl.jpg)

i know running super tight trucks can cause them to blow out quick along with general wear and tear. they're stock bushings and i don't think i've really tightened them since i got them (which is pushing a year). i presume it's down to something like the sides of the hanger compressing against the bushing again combined with general wear and tear or is there a multitude of factors/variables that cause it?

i also just realized i've hit the tiniest bit of axle on the truck  :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pauline_handsome on May 06, 2019, 05:13:54 AM
Are the bushings on Indy Titaniums the same as the standard stage 11's?

Really stoked on how the titaniums have felt so far.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 06, 2019, 06:26:51 AM
Quote from: papo on May 05, 2019, 01:28:35 PM
Quote from: ultrabra on May 05, 2019, 12:29:49 PM
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Quote from: papo on May 05, 2019, 11:42:48 AM
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Mini logo trucks anyone? I wonder what yall experience is. I have some 8.38 for my 8.5 deck and once you have broken into them, they feel decent. Still, the bushings feel odd compared to those on my Indy trucks.
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I really like them.  Dont expect any respect riding them ;D
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i could care less about other people’s respect, I did wonder about people’s experience. Took me a min to get used to them but now I like them.

Mini logo trucks really are nice, I like them a lot

They’re such under dog trucks for how well they feel for street, they feel so broken in and just ready to go

Responds quick and very stable

Like a less quirky thunder in my opinion

I tried them with bones mediums and they are nice trucks with bones upgraded but honestly I like the stock cylinder bushings a lot, skate one really knows how to make quality stuff that just works
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on May 06, 2019, 08:24:05 AM
Quote from: palelight on May 05, 2019, 06:02:01 PM
Not chirping on anyone who rides Bones in Indy's, but I've never heard it articulated well, what's the benefit of Bones over aftermarket Indy bushings? I understand stock Indy's bushings can be a bit shit, but I've seen more than enough blown out Bones to consider the quality angle a wash. I've only ever had Bones in a set of Ventures, and noticed no real improvement in turn/stability etc. Genuinely curious.

Winter weather. The bones bushings the ace bushings and bitter bushings don’t freeze that’s the main reason why I rock them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: papo on May 06, 2019, 10:24:12 AM
Quote from: rob on May 06, 2019, 06:26:51 AM
Quote from: papo on May 05, 2019, 01:28:35 PM
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Quote from: ultrabra on May 05, 2019, 12:29:49 PM
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Quote from: papo on May 05, 2019, 11:42:48 AM
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Mini logo trucks anyone? I wonder what yall experience is. I have some 8.38 for my 8.5 deck and once you have broken into them, they feel decent. Still, the bushings feel odd compared to those on my Indy trucks.
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I really like them.  Dont expect any respect riding them ;D
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i could care less about other people’s respect, I did wonder about people’s experience. Took me a min to get used to them but now I like them.
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Mini logo trucks really are nice, I like them a lot

They’re such under dog trucks for how well they feel for street, they feel so broken in and just ready to go

Responds quick and very stable

Like a less quirky thunder in my opinion

I tried them with bones mediums and they are nice trucks with bones upgraded but honestly I like the stock cylinder bushings a lot, skate one really knows how to make quality stuff that just works

My 8.38 have white bushings which are medium i believe but i think i need harder bushings because
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on May 06, 2019, 12:47:46 PM
Thunders vs. Indy vs. Venture

Indy's are surfiest and shorter wheelbase. I then used some Thunders and have them turning OK with 90D bushings and getting used to the snap and manual balance.

Got some Ventures, but haven't used them and might return. Are they just going to be like the jump from Indy's to Thunders and slower/more stable or is there any "in between"? I know they lengthen wheelbase, but kingpin angle and baseplate length might mitigate that somewhat.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on May 06, 2019, 03:38:25 PM
Quote from: talklessSkateMore on May 05, 2019, 07:49:00 PM
Quote from: palelight on May 05, 2019, 06:02:01 PM
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Not chirping on anyone who rides Bones in Indy's, but I've never heard it articulated well, what's the benefit of Bones over aftermarket Indy bushings? I understand stock Indy's bushings can be a bit shit, but I've seen more than enough blown out Bones to consider the quality angle a wash. I've only ever had Bones in a set of Ventures, and noticed no real improvement in turn/stability etc. Genuinely curious.
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The increased rebound/resistance from the plastic core in the center/top. Using both stock washers helps increase the life of the bushings. At +/- 150lbs I can only ride the soft bones. The mediums just didn't offer the turn I wanted

As a fellow lightweight I can understand that. Sort of the reason I prefer the mixed duro's of Ace's, the harder top makes for a nicer snap back to center.

Quote from: BMCsteve on May 06, 2019, 04:31:17 AM
Bones basically don't fit correctly in any trucks except stage 10 indys.  I don't know why they don't just make various sizes for different trucks currently on the market

I've heard this as well. The lack of fit would drive me a bit mental, but enough people make it work for them I guess.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oneOone on May 07, 2019, 05:40:14 AM
Anybody know if the Venture (forged and cast) Baseplate is the same for high and lows?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on May 07, 2019, 05:48:14 AM
Quote from: pauline_handsome on May 06, 2019, 05:13:54 AM
Are the bushings on Indy Titaniums the same as the standard stage 11's?

Really stoked on how the titaniums have felt so far.
99% sure they're the same.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on May 07, 2019, 07:02:32 AM
Quote from: oneOone on May 07, 2019, 05:40:14 AM
Anybody know if the Venture (forged and cast) Baseplate is the same for high and lows?

Forged baseplate venture's are about 2mm lower than the cast baseplate version
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oneOone on May 07, 2019, 07:18:51 AM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on May 07, 2019, 07:02:32 AM
Quote from: oneOone on May 07, 2019, 05:40:14 AM
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Anybody know if the Venture (forged and cast) Baseplate is the same for high and lows?
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Forged baseplate venture's are about 2mm lower than the cast baseplate version

Thanks but I was thinking about switching the Hanger (low/hi) and keep the baseplate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: In A Jar on May 07, 2019, 10:17:10 AM
Quote from: oneOone on May 07, 2019, 05:40:14 AM
Anybody know if the Venture (forged and cast) Baseplate is the same for high and lows?

Venture baseplates are the same for hi/low trucks.  The forged and cast are different, but their baseplates aren't different depending on hi/low trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on May 07, 2019, 02:55:18 PM
Running Bones Mediums in some Theeve TiKings and they turn exactly how I’d want a truck to turn. Stable for popping tricks and landing hard but I can pull off really tight, snappy turns if I need to thanks to their geometry and the oval yolk


Every time I skate theeves they feel so natural to me. I haven’t skated these in months and my first 3 sessions back on them were all fire. I’ve got history with Venture and Thunder as a kid so I always end up getting swayed by their videos/ads, and I do skate great on both, but I’m probably best on theeves. I always get sick of that thunder wheelbite after a while and Venture doesn’t offer the kind of trucks I want in my size (although that’s changing soon with the 5.6’s & hollow 5.8s) so fuck it, I’m riding these shits til they break or hit the axel. Already had some nice grooves in them so they lock in just right every time too


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on May 07, 2019, 02:58:32 PM
Quote from: oneOone on May 07, 2019, 07:18:51 AM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on May 07, 2019, 07:02:32 AM
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Quote from: oneOone on May 07, 2019, 05:40:14 AM
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Anybody know if the Venture (forged and cast) Baseplate is the same for high and lows?
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Forged baseplate venture's are about 2mm lower than the cast baseplate version
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Thanks but I was thinking about switching the Hanger (low/hi) and keep the baseplate.

i read that wrong. that's my fault. They're the same for high's and lows yes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on May 07, 2019, 04:51:23 PM
Im thinking about ordering vintage super pro V composite (plastic) gullwings

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 07, 2019, 08:53:49 PM
Has anyone here tried a more softer plastic riser that’s not quite rubber, like the Krooked, Modus, or Lucky? If so, did they squish over time defeating the purpose of preventing wheelbite? Or did they retain their height? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on May 07, 2019, 09:03:25 PM
The indy shock pads are rubber but retain their height (but will compress a bit when you crank the nuts down), and dont disintegrate over time. The mini logo ones are a little softer than hard plastic, but harder than the indy shock pads. Dooks are nice but go to shit in a few sessions.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on May 07, 2019, 09:40:27 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 07, 2019, 08:53:49 PM
Has anyone here tried a more softer plastic riser that’s not quite rubber, like the Krooked, Modus, or Lucky? If so, did they squish over time defeating the purpose of preventing wheelbite? Or did they retain their height? Thanks in advance.

I've got 1/8 inch lucky risers and they've held up wheel after a while. The squish out a teeny bit and don't have a perfect square shape but they maintain their height fine
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oneOone on May 08, 2019, 12:02:43 AM
Quote from: In A Jar on May 07, 2019, 10:17:10 AM
Quote from: oneOone on May 07, 2019, 05:40:14 AM
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Anybody know if the Venture (forged and cast) Baseplate is the same for high and lows?
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Venture baseplates are the same for hi/low trucks.  The forged and cast are different, but their baseplates aren't different depending on hi/low trucks.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on May 08, 2019, 09:02:19 AM
Got some V Light 5.8's. Turn feels fairly loose stock, way looser than any other stock truck setup. Surfy like Indy, but much harder to tip into a manual more than Thunder. So, they're like a mix between the two. Very light feeling when lifting your board up and somehow I'm popping into my shitty curb back tails easier which is bonus points.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 08, 2019, 10:13:28 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 07, 2019, 08:53:49 PM
Has anyone here tried a more softer plastic riser that’s not quite rubber, like the Krooked, Modus, or Lucky? If so, did they squish over time defeating the purpose of preventing wheelbite? Or did they retain their height? Thanks in advance.

I've some lucky risers that are not squishy shock pads but not super hard plastic either, they're a very pliable plastic (you could push your fingernail into them and leave an indent) but hold their shape and absorb some vibration. Found them on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K33QKVC/ref=twister_B00K33QKSU?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K33QKVC/ref=twister_B00K33QKSU?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1)

I use these on my cruiser w/ACEs and 56MM wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on May 08, 2019, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 07, 2019, 08:53:49 PM
Has anyone here tried a more softer plastic riser that’s not quite rubber, like the Krooked, Modus, or Lucky? If so, did they squish over time defeating the purpose of preventing wheelbite? Or did they retain their height? Thanks in advance.
the height doesn't really change, but if you tighten it too much it can change. they get sort of stretched out around the edges and i imagine tail/nose slides would be bad. they also make your board feel soggy but maybe that's a good thing if you like soft pivot cups or something. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on May 08, 2019, 02:36:36 PM
This old pic of Mullen (cropped for trucks sake)... are these Ventures? I thought he skated Indys until Destructo, then Tensor. Believe this is from 1993.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 08, 2019, 03:22:30 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on May 07, 2019, 09:40:27 PM

I've got 1/8 inch lucky risers and they've held up wheel after a while. The squish out a teeny bit and don't have a perfect square shape but they maintain their height fine

Quote from: I AM on May 08, 2019, 11:39:48 AM
the height doesn't really change, but if you tighten it too much it can change. they get sort of stretched out around the edges and i imagine tail/nose slides would be bad. they also make your board feel soggy but maybe that's a good thing if you like soft pivot cups or something. 

Thanks fellas. I’m trying the lucky’s on Thunders to raise the height. Hope they don’t make my board sound dead. I have 1/8” thunder risers somewhere I think but I remember someone saying they break easily, so I never tried them out. Seems like the only risers that truly fit are the ones that let you slide it up and down, as opposed to ones with the fixed holes?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 08, 2019, 03:28:15 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 08, 2019, 03:22:30 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on May 07, 2019, 09:40:27 PM
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I've got 1/8 inch lucky risers and they've held up wheel after a while. The squish out a teeny bit and don't have a perfect square shape but they maintain their height fine
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Quote from: I AM on May 08, 2019, 11:39:48 AM
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the height doesn't really change, but if you tighten it too much it can change. they get sort of stretched out around the edges and i imagine tail/nose slides would be bad. they also make your board feel soggy but maybe that's a good thing if you like soft pivot cups or something. 
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Thanks fellas. I’m trying the lucky’s on Thunders to raise the height. Hope they don’t make my board sound dead. I have 1/8” thunder risers somewhere I think but I remember someone saying they break easily, so I never tried them out. Seems like the only risers that truly fit are the ones that let you slide it up and down, as opposed to ones with the fixed holes?

Seems the slider design is the most common, even the Thunder branded ones use it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 08, 2019, 03:45:09 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 08, 2019, 03:28:15 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 08, 2019, 03:22:30 PM
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Quote from: DaSk8D00D on May 07, 2019, 09:40:27 PM
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I've got 1/8 inch lucky risers and they've held up wheel after a while. The squish out a teeny bit and don't have a perfect square shape but they maintain their height fine
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Quote from: I AM on May 08, 2019, 11:39:48 AM
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the height doesn't really change, but if you tighten it too much it can change. they get sort of stretched out around the edges and i imagine tail/nose slides would be bad. they also make your board feel soggy but maybe that's a good thing if you like soft pivot cups or something. 
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Thanks fellas. I’m trying the lucky’s on Thunders to raise the height. Hope they don’t make my board sound dead. I have 1/8” thunder risers somewhere I think but I remember someone saying they break easily, so I never tried them out. Seems like the only risers that truly fit are the ones that let you slide it up and down, as opposed to ones with the fixed holes?
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Seems the slider design is the most common, even the Thunder branded ones use it.

The last risers I used were Indy’s on Indy’s. Before that I used Dooks hard plastic ones under them years ago and they fit perfect. But Thunders have an odd baseplate it seems. A lot of risers don’t fit them. I’d imagine you could use an Indy or Dooks riser underneath just about any truck on the market. Thunders seem locked into the sliding riser camp only.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: papo on May 08, 2019, 03:52:15 PM
All fuckery aside, Tensor anyone? Those aluminium tens are supposed to be dope.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: reverbtank on May 08, 2019, 05:24:39 PM
Just swapped my Bones bushings out for some 90a Cylinder Indy’s on my 159s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on May 08, 2019, 05:31:18 PM
I skated the Tensor all terrain mags last year and they were fine. Super light, but they didn’t skate well enough for me to give up aces. Now I’m on 5.8 v-light Ventures and Ace 55s. I use the 5.8s on an 8.5 with 14.25 WB and 52s, 55s on a 8.75 with 14.5 WB with 54s. I can go back and forth on those two setups and have no adjustment issues whatsoever. Pop feels the same, turn is close enough and surfy how I like it, the only noticeable difference is the weight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: reverbtank on May 08, 2019, 09:59:02 PM
Bushing question. Just put medium cylinder Indy aftermarket bushings on my 159 Indy hollows. Use this setup mostly for slappies and cruising around. So I like them a little looser.

Issue I’m having is it feels great how loose it is, but I’m not getting enough resistance in deep turns to prevent major wheel bite. When I tighten it up, I lose the looseness I like but also don’t wheelbite.

Any way to have looseness in the initial turning but heavier resistance in deep turns? That’s what I was hoping the cylinders would do.

I’ve been riding Bones mediums for years now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: talklessSkateMore on May 08, 2019, 11:01:06 PM
1/4th risers ^
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on May 08, 2019, 11:17:56 PM
Quote from: fang on May 08, 2019, 02:36:36 PM
This old pic of Mullen (cropped for trucks sake)... are these Ventures? I thought he skated Indys until Destructo, then Tensor. Believe this is from 1993.

I don’t think he was on venture but he was definitely friends with the TM. Tensor is kinda like a venture. Both turn like shit and are good for manuals. Krux are kinda like in that zone of sucking. I would skate a venture if I had to though. They sit on a block better. Deluxe is good shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on May 09, 2019, 12:09:38 AM
Quote from: reverbtank on May 08, 2019, 09:59:02 PM
Bushing question. Just put medium cylinder Indy aftermarket bushings on my 159 Indy hollows. Use this setup mostly for slappies and cruising around. So I like them a little looser.

Issue I’m having is it feels great how loose it is, but I’m not getting enough resistance in deep turns to prevent major wheel bite. When I tighten it up, I lose the looseness I like but also don’t wheelbite.

Any way to have looseness in the initial turning but heavier resistance in deep turns? That’s what I was hoping the cylinders would do.

I’ve been riding Bones mediums for years now.

Could try mixing bushing duro's. A harder top bushing might bind up at the end of the turn and help prevent wheelbite, but at the same time let the softer bottom bushing still have a good amount of turn before that point. Sort of the basis behind Ace bushings (86d bottom, 91d top).

Full disclosure. Not a fan of mixing bushing brands myself (anything to kill truck madness before it starts), but if you have some laying around it might be worth a shot. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on May 09, 2019, 08:15:46 AM
Quote from: reverbtank on May 08, 2019, 09:59:02 PM
Bushing question. Just put medium cylinder Indy aftermarket bushings on my 159 Indy hollows. Use this setup mostly for slappies and cruising around. So I like them a little looser.

Issue I’m having is it feels great how loose it is, but I’m not getting enough resistance in deep turns to prevent major wheel bite. When I tighten it up, I lose the looseness I like but also don’t wheelbite.

Any way to have looseness in the initial turning but heavier resistance in deep turns? That’s what I was hoping the cylinders would do.

I’ve been riding Bones mediums for years now.
use the bones meds on top or 1/8 risers or use a top washer
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on May 09, 2019, 11:12:52 AM
Anyone else have the top washer digging into the hangers of their Venture 5.8's or Venture high's? I loosened mine up about a half turn from stock and you can see marks where it digs into the hanger. I took the washer off and it's a bit too wobbly now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Complements4U on May 09, 2019, 12:07:24 PM
They always do that, the bottom washer contacts the hangar as well when bottoming out or getting wheelbite and it digs in, I've heard that's a specific design goal but not sure if that's true. I've never used the top washers in ventures I always swap it for a bones washer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lurk or die on May 09, 2019, 01:44:29 PM
I just switched out the black bushing on Reynolds hollow indy’s to the aftermarket red soft conical bushings and holy shit is that a hell of a difference. In a good way. I hated the black bushing. Has anyone else had this experience?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on May 09, 2019, 02:13:57 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on May 09, 2019, 11:12:52 AM
Anyone else have the top washer digging into the hangers of their Venture 5.8's or Venture high's? I loosened mine up about a half turn from stock and you can see marks where it digs into the hanger. I took the washer off and it's a bit too wobbly now.

It happens to me too but it happened with all my trucks except ace
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: talklessSkateMore on May 09, 2019, 06:00:22 PM
Quote from: Lurk or die on May 09, 2019, 01:44:29 PM
I just switched out the black bushing on Reynolds hollow indy’s to the aftermarket red soft conical bushings and holy shit is that a hell of a difference. In a good way. I hated the black bushing. Has anyone else had this experience?

I'm using stock black indy bushings now. Same as the yellow/orange, maybe a bit more durable. I don't feel the need to replace them.. That being said, I'm trying out the cut in half bushings tech in the front truck on these stock aces. I skate small anyway
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: reverbtank on May 09, 2019, 08:37:59 PM
I swapped my medium orange ones for the medium hard blue ones and they feel much better. Not as loose as I’d like initially for slappies but I’m at least not getting wheel bite so easy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on May 11, 2019, 04:29:54 AM
chucked blue bones hardcores in 149 thunders, pretty gud

i also just had a crazy probably impractical idea but lets put it into theory. everyone hates axle nuts right, they get fucked up beyond belief, fall off, get threaded and all that shit. now im thinking hollow trucks are a big thing, why not do something like thread the inside of the hollow axle and have a bolt to thread into it with a flange to keep the wheel in place? or am i being dumb as fuck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: talklessSkateMore on May 11, 2019, 07:49:40 AM
Kickstarter scam that shit bro, I'll draw a mock up in mspaint when I get home!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 11, 2019, 07:56:15 AM
You'd be fucked if you ever had to rethread it no?  But this would only happen if you cross threaded it, they would take way less abuse.  I'd guess it would be expensive to manufacture. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on May 11, 2019, 12:41:59 PM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on May 11, 2019, 04:29:54 AM
chucked blue bones hardcores in 149 thunders, pretty gud

i also just had a crazy probably impractical idea but lets put it into theory. everyone hates axle nuts right, they get fucked up beyond belief, fall off, get threaded and all that shit. now im thinking hollow trucks are a big thing, why not do something like thread the inside of the hollow axle and have a bolt to thread into it with a flange to keep the wheel in place? or am i being dumb as fuck

Because Aluminum threads suck.  They would get fucked up fast.  Galling.  You would need to have a bigger diameter steel axle with female threads in it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on May 13, 2019, 09:48:16 AM
Liking most about the Ventures except:

-Feels like I have way less pop/snap.

-Manual tipping point is weird.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on May 13, 2019, 10:29:54 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on May 13, 2019, 09:48:16 AM
Liking most about the Ventures except:

-Feels like I have way less pop/snap.

-Manual tipping point is weird.

Interesting, I feel like I have noticeably more pop/snap on my ventures compared to Indy tis. I like basically most things about my ventures except for the huge turning radius.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on May 13, 2019, 12:27:52 PM
best pop I've ever had was Ace 44's on a Polar.

Running the Ventures on a Magenta which has a super similar shape. Giving them more time
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: johnes on May 13, 2019, 12:59:20 PM
Mini logo 8.38 trucks
Bones medium cored bottom bushing, ML hard top bushing. No top washer.
Just tight enough so the nut doesn’t come loose on its own.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2cej60o.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 13, 2019, 10:27:30 PM
I berated anyone who claimed to skate a board smaller than their truck width but it's true. 8.125 on 8.25 trucks works perfectly fine.  Rob is right, great combo.  For me especially if it's a generator board.  You don't see the nuts if you're looking down, only when you start looking at an angle. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Evoyeah on May 14, 2019, 04:40:59 AM
After some help if possible.

My first board was/Is pretty terrible besides the deck which I think is ok (mini logo deck).
The wheels trucks are all bargain brands.

I spotted some indy 139s on offer and got some bones red bearings.. I'm a total newbie in that I can just about moving Ollie and skate some of the smaller skatepark ramps, kick turn and ride fakie etc.
My current board is 8", would you advise just switching the trucks and bearings onto my current board? I also want some better wheels... struggling to decide between bones street or skatepark style wheels?
I like the idea of a bit more stability so had considered a 8.125 board.. what would be the effects of this with slightly smaller trucks? A
Sorry if this is the wrong place to post it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chaos Acoustic on May 14, 2019, 05:38:23 AM
Go ahead and put the new Indy trucks on that Minilogo. If you want a decent cheaper wheel Bones 100s should get you right. If you’re not afraid of spending a little more Spitfire F4 is a good wheel that lasts a long time. 54 mm is a good all around size for your 8inch board. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SHIREFLIP on May 14, 2019, 07:23:56 AM
Quote from: Evoyeah on May 14, 2019, 04:40:59 AM
After some help if possible.

My first board was/Is pretty terrible besides the deck which I think is ok (mini logo deck).
The wheels trucks are all bargain brands.

I spotted some indy 139s on offer and got some bones red bearings.. I'm a total newbie in that I can just about moving Ollie and skate some of the smaller skatepark ramps, kick turn and ride fakie etc.
My current board is 8", would you advise just switching the trucks and bearings onto my current board? I also want some better wheels... struggling to decide between bones street or skatepark style wheels?
I like the idea of a bit more stability so had considered a 8.125 board.. what would be the effects of this with slightly smaller trucks? A
Sorry if this is the wrong place to post it

(https://www.longboarderlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/320-indy-size-chart.png)

You'll be fine, bb.

Edit: I misunderstood. I thought you bought the 139s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: johnes on May 14, 2019, 08:31:43 AM
Quote from: Evoyeah on May 14, 2019, 04:40:59 AM
After some help if possible.

My first board was/Is pretty terrible besides the deck which I think is ok (mini logo deck).
The wheels trucks are all bargain brands.

I spotted some indy 139s on offer and got some bones red bearings.. I'm a total newbie in that I can just about moving Ollie and skate some of the smaller skatepark ramps, kick turn and ride fakie etc.
My current board is 8", would you advise just switching the trucks and bearings onto my current board? I also want some better wheels... struggling to decide between bones street or skatepark style wheels?
I like the idea of a bit more stability so had considered a 8.125 board.. what would be the effects of this with slightly smaller trucks? A
Sorry if this is the wrong place to post it
Honestly any cheaper brand that you can find in a real skate shop is perfectly legit for a beginner unless you’re riding Walmart or department store parts then they are gonna be shitty but truly any brand you find in a real shop will be fine.
You can’t really go wrong with any bones wheels at your level. Even the minilogo wheels and bearings will do you right.
If there’s any skateboarders you’re a fan of already; I would advise trying to buy product with their name on it if possible, to support skateboarding.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on May 14, 2019, 09:48:21 AM
How long do you guys ride a tweak or setup? I'm going through madness right now and need to settle on something and get used to it. Tighter seems to be better for most grinds, actual shit where I leave the ground, but worse for manual'ing and carving around morons on my commute.  But then I get too much wheelbite to roll away from almost anything.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on May 14, 2019, 09:54:58 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 13, 2019, 10:27:30 PM
I berated anyone who claimed to skate a board smaller than their truck width but it's true. 8.125 on 8.25 trucks works perfectly fine.  Rob is right, great combo.  For me especially if it's a generator board.  You don't see the nuts if you're looking down, only when you start looking at an angle.

yea tried 144’s on an 8” for a minute. worked but didn’t at the same time. I wish I was one of those guy that didn’t give a shit and just skated whatever. Lmao
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 14, 2019, 10:15:31 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 13, 2019, 10:27:30 PM
I berated anyone who claimed to skate a board smaller than their truck width but it's true. 8.125 on 8.25 trucks works perfectly fine.  Rob is right, great combo.  For me especially if it's a generator board.  You don't see the nuts if you're looking down, only when you start looking at an angle.
Dude all I skated for years were 8.25s with 8.5 trucks. I feel like if your axles/hangers are wider than the deck (but no more 1/4 of inch) your setup turns better. Plus you have more room to grind.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: talklessSkateMore on May 14, 2019, 10:37:40 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on May 14, 2019, 09:48:21 AM
How long do you guys ride a tweak or setup? I'm going through madness right now and need to settle on something and get used to it. Tighter seems to be better for most grinds, actual shit where I leave the ground, but worse for manual'ing and carving around morons on my commute.  But then I get too much wheelbite to roll away from almost anything.

Lean back more and don't shift your weight past your front truck. Whenever I trip about truck adjustments I end up going back to flush and taking a day or two off.. Slowly tighten as needed and remember it's a balancing act
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on May 14, 2019, 10:42:59 AM
Quote from: Jud Nestorkins on May 14, 2019, 10:15:31 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 13, 2019, 10:27:30 PM
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I berated anyone who claimed to skate a board smaller than their truck width but it's true. 8.125 on 8.25 trucks works perfectly fine.  Rob is right, great combo.  For me especially if it's a generator board.  You don't see the nuts if you're looking down, only when you start looking at an angle.
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Dude all I skated for years were 8.25s with 8.5 trucks. I feel like if your axles/hangers are wider than the deck (but no more 1/4 of inch) your setup turns better. Plus you have more room to grind.
This is definitely  the most popular setup for the last 6ish years, since no one that mattered made 8.25 trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 14, 2019, 12:57:04 PM
Easy fellas, I'm just saying you don't actually see the nuts with that .125 difference.....I'm still gonna stand by that seeing the nut is a valid enough reason to drive you nuts....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on May 14, 2019, 01:10:40 PM
I would never have wider trucks than deck. *shivers in terror*

8.0 trucks on 8.125 is good
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on May 14, 2019, 02:07:31 PM
Quote from: software on May 14, 2019, 02:05:24 PM
Apparently Venture re-released the 5.8 hollows (terrible colorway tho) and some "custom designed" trucks by andrew wilson. I wonder if they differ at all from the regulars.

(http://www.venturetrucks.net/spring19/3-p-rod-feniks-dt.jpg)
(http://www.venturetrucks.net/spring19/4-awake-andrew-wilson-dt.jpg)

I just want the 8.25 axle ventures already
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on May 14, 2019, 02:09:57 PM
Quote from: arrbee on May 14, 2019, 02:07:31 PM
Quote from: software on May 14, 2019, 02:05:24 PM
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Apparently Venture re-released the 5.8 hollows (terrible colorway tho) and some "custom designed" trucks by andrew wilson. I wonder if they differ at all from the regulars.

(http://www.venturetrucks.net/spring19/3-p-rod-feniks-dt.jpg)
(http://www.venturetrucks.net/spring19/4-awake-andrew-wilson-dt.jpg)
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I just want the 8.25 axle ventures already

Venture just featured the 5.6 on their IG story, I'm sure they're coming out reallllly soon
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on May 14, 2019, 04:59:21 PM
Quote from: arrbee on May 14, 2019, 02:07:31 PM
Quote from: software on May 14, 2019, 02:05:24 PM
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Apparently Venture re-released the 5.8 hollows (terrible colorway tho) and some "custom designed" trucks by andrew wilson. I wonder if they differ at all from the regulars.

(http://www.venturetrucks.net/spring19/3-p-rod-feniks-dt.jpg)
(http://www.venturetrucks.net/spring19/4-awake-andrew-wilson-dt.jpg)
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I just want the 8.25 axle ventures already

I think they are shipping out already
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on May 15, 2019, 05:19:51 AM
Never had done anything with my trucks except one time I had the yellow Bones bushings, medium I believe, on Indy's 149 forged. I hated'em. Got back to the stock bushings and it was ok.
Now riding Ace 44 just as they come and they feel awesome.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on May 15, 2019, 06:34:02 AM
Quote from: fang on May 14, 2019, 01:10:40 PM
I would never have wider trucks than deck. *shivers in terror*

8.0 trucks on 8.125 is good

1/8" bigger than the board is perfect, but I would never go 1/4" bigger. I cannot see my axles peeking out with 148s on an 8.125 Krooked deck, it just feels really good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: D on May 15, 2019, 11:44:39 AM
Sick of the axel slipping on my Indy hollows. Might pick up a set of Ace today. Worth the change or should I just stick with Indy? Curious about how the stock bushings are on the Ace
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 15, 2019, 12:08:19 PM
Quote from: D on May 15, 2019, 11:44:39 AM
Sick of the axel slipping on my Indy hollows. Might pick up a set of Ace today. Worth the change or should I just stick with Indy? Curious about how the stock bushings are on the Ace

Did you choose Indy hollows to cut down a few grams? If so, ACE won't help you there.

Otherwise, they'll treat you right.

The new 'classics' ship with the best bushings out by a mile.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on May 15, 2019, 12:36:40 PM
My Ace were only 20g heavier per truck than my hollows, so it's really not much. The difference is less than running conicals vs classics. The heaviest setup I have ever had is a FA embossed AVE deck with tons of paint, conical fulls, and 149 Hollows.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on May 15, 2019, 12:55:05 PM
Quote from: D on May 15, 2019, 11:44:39 AM
Sick of the axel slipping on my Indy hollows. Might pick up a set of Ace today. Worth the change or should I just stick with Indy? Curious about how the stock bushings are on the Ace
They’re the best, I switched from indys to ace few months ago and I ain’t gonna look back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: reverbtank on May 15, 2019, 01:46:17 PM
I don't have access to Ace trucks locally or I'd have already tried them.

I do a lot of curb skating/slappies and am pretty rough on trucks. I just got some Indy 169s so maybe I'll give Ace a shot after these wear out.

Anyone have any experience with Ace who is pretty rough on trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on May 15, 2019, 02:56:26 PM
Quote from: reverbtank on May 15, 2019, 01:46:17 PM
I don't have access to Ace trucks locally or I'd have already tried them.

I do a lot of curb skating/slappies and am pretty rough on trucks. I just got some Indy 169s so maybe I'll give Ace a shot after these wear out.

Anyone have any experience with Ace who is pretty rough on trucks?

Not too rough on them myself, but if you dive into the Ace Trucks thread you'll come across some folks who've demo'd their Aces. But also, lots of people who've never had issues at all. They are svelter than Indy's for sure, much less meat on the hanger (though they've been thickened in newer revisions). That fact they're the same weight as Indy's is due to having no weight relief on the underside of the hanger (which Venture, Thunder, and Indy all have) and solid baseplates.

It's one of those trade-offs, do the benefits of Ace - the turn, the bushings, the height - outweigh the possible quality issues? Your call. For me it's worth it, but maybe not for yourself. I've seen enough defective trucks over the years from the big brands that Ace having some QC issues doesn't bother me much. I will say for curbs, carves, and any cramped street stuff, there's no better truck. Ace's with Spitfire Classics is slappy nirvana for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 15, 2019, 06:51:58 PM
I can’t even remember the last time I used risers but I put some 1/8” Modus ones under my Ace’s and they fit pretty good. I highly recommend the Modus to anyone that hasn’t tried them yet. They’re not quite as flexible and soft like the Lucky’s, and they’re not super hard plastic like Indy or Dooks. Basically like a 3/4’s hardness, which feels like they’ll outlast all others. Granted, if they’ll fit under whatever trucks you’re using. Ace’s only seem to fit the fixed hole Modus or any of the sliding hole offerings. Indy and Dooks were a no go.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on May 15, 2019, 08:44:12 PM
Quote from: reverbtank on May 15, 2019, 01:46:17 PM
I don't have access to Ace trucks locally or I'd have already tried them.

I do a lot of curb skating/slappies and am pretty rough on trucks. I just got some Indy 169s so maybe I'll give Ace a shot after these wear out.

Anyone have any experience with Ace who is pretty rough on trucks?

I mostly skate curbs, pool coping and shit that grinds and my 44s and 55s hold up well. The metal is softer than Indy/Thunder though, so the grind feels different and they wear down faster. But like other's have said the trade off is worth it for the geometry/ quality of the turn and how good they are right out of the box with stock parts.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 15, 2019, 08:44:30 PM
Quote from: baustin on May 15, 2019, 06:34:02 AM
Quote from: fang on May 14, 2019, 01:10:40 PM
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I would never have wider trucks than deck. *shivers in terror*

8.0 trucks on 8.125 is good
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1/8" bigger than the board is perfect, but I would never go 1/4" bigger. I cannot see my axles peeking out with 148s on an 8.125 Krooked deck, it just feels really good.

My point is the trucks despite the measurement appear to be the same or even less than the width of the board...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on May 16, 2019, 05:34:46 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 15, 2019, 08:44:30 PM
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Quote from: fang on May 14, 2019, 01:10:40 PM
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I would never have wider trucks than deck. *shivers in terror*

8.0 trucks on 8.125 is good
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1/8" bigger than the board is perfect, but I would never go 1/4" bigger. I cannot see my axles peeking out with 148s on an 8.125 Krooked deck, it just feels really good.
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My point is the trucks despite the measurement appear to be the same or even less than the width of the board...

Makes sense. When you have 8.25 trucks on an 8.125 deck you're talking 1/16" of axle overhang on each side of the deck IF everything has been manufactured to exact precision, and that 1/16" probably gets grinded down from landing tricks primo and such. Since wheels don't come all the way to the ends of the axle that means having very slightly wider trucks than your deck mostly just gives you a stable feel. I used to be a strictly trucks equal or less width than the deck person but 148s on 8.125 has changed me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 16, 2019, 03:48:49 PM
Quote from: baustin on May 16, 2019, 05:34:46 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 15, 2019, 08:44:30 PM
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Quote from: baustin on May 15, 2019, 06:34:02 AM
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I would never have wider trucks than deck. *shivers in terror*

8.0 trucks on 8.125 is good
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1/8" bigger than the board is perfect, but I would never go 1/4" bigger. I cannot see my axles peeking out with 148s on an 8.125 Krooked deck, it just feels really good.
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My point is the trucks despite the measurement appear to be the same or even less than the width of the board...
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Makes sense. When you have 8.25 trucks on an 8.125 deck you're talking 1/16" of axle overhang on each side of the deck IF everything has been manufactured to exact precision, and that 1/16" probably gets grinded down from landing tricks primo and such. Since wheels don't come all the way to the ends of the axle that means having very slightly wider trucks than your deck mostly just gives you a stable feel. I used to be a strictly trucks equal or less width than the deck person but 148s on 8.125 has changed me.

J soy and baustin knows!

I think Ben degros said too or someone on this thread about the wheels on a wider truck pushing out more closer to the edge of a deck feels more stable rather than even when you have 8” trucks with an 8” deck but only the axles measure flush but the wheels are a few mm inside so a tiny bit of magic carpet ride
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 17, 2019, 07:21:33 AM
yeah it could be from landing primo but every 8.25 deck I put on 148's it always felt like I could get away with something narrower, I tried it, and it works.  If your goal is the widest trucks without going over, or the narrowest deck and not going under.....this is the combo.  A tiny bit of magic carpet never killed anyone though and I'll prolly still skate 8.25's a bunch but I'm glad I tried this....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on May 17, 2019, 08:11:27 AM
My madness is trying to rage. Have noticed that watching videos has a disturbing effect on my madness. For example, if I watch Dennis, ishod or Marc, I want to know control. If I watch PJ, Gino or old Girl vids, I want to be always on the grind. If I watch Heath, Gonz, etc. I'd like to be built to grind. First step of realizing you have a problem is acceptance, right guys? Right? This thing on? *tap tap*
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on May 17, 2019, 09:43:28 AM
Quote from: fang on May 17, 2019, 08:11:27 AM
My madness is trying to rage. Have noticed that watching videos has a disturbing effect on my madness. For example, if I watch Dennis, ishod or Marc, I want to know control. If I watch PJ, Gino or old Girl vids, I want to be always on the grind. If I watch Heath, Gonz, etc. I'd like to be built to grind. First step of realizing you have a problem is acceptance, right guys? Right? This thing on? *tap tap*
Whos your favorite favorite I mean favorite pro skater? For me it’s Guy so I ride Thunders and sleep ok at night.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on May 17, 2019, 12:44:21 PM
yea people talk about “marketing” as if it matters, the riders are what really matters. if you get enough sick riders on your team, you can have all of their combined fans wanting your shit, while also creating a sense of legitimacy for your brand even if it's relatively new. ads are completely meaningless without mags so riders and reviews and instagram clips are the new marketing. in that sense, i think ACE has a really fucking good marketing campaign, after they literally stole indys best geometry, they also stole their best riders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on May 17, 2019, 01:00:21 PM
i'd like to see a study on correlation of skateboarding's switch to HD videos and the increase in truck madness.  you never used to be able to really tell what trucks someone was skating, and you could only rely on print ads (which often times featured the skater skating another brand's trucks)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sammyscumbag on May 17, 2019, 01:05:04 PM
Indy 144 Reynolds hollows, stock bushings with the front slightly looser than the left.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 17, 2019, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: art hellman on May 17, 2019, 01:00:21 PM
i'd like to see a study on correlation of skateboarding's switch to HD videos and the increase in truck madness.  you never used to be able to really tell what trucks someone was skating, and you could only rely on print ads (which often times featured the skater skating another brand's trucks)

Dr purple teeth shows off everyone’s trucks

He films into the trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on May 17, 2019, 11:10:48 PM
Quote from: art hellman on May 17, 2019, 01:00:21 PM
i'd like to see a study on correlation of skateboarding's switch to HD videos and the increase in truck madness.  you never used to be able to really tell what trucks someone was skating, and you could only rely on print ads (which often times featured the skater skating another brand's trucks)

I've been watching folks who skates thunders to see how well they tail/nose slide. Truck madness is real.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on May 18, 2019, 04:30:51 AM
Quote from: art hellman on May 17, 2019, 01:00:21 PM
i'd like to see a study on correlation of skateboarding's switch to HD videos and the increase in truck madness.  you never used to be able to really tell what trucks someone was skating, and you could only rely on print ads (which often times featured the skater skating another brand's trucks)

i'd say there's certain points/videos/etc that have had weird impacts on skateboarding. two examples i can primarily think of would definitely be when the whole daewon no bushing thing came about and a lot of people started rocking rattly loose, and when that andrew reynolds "madness" thing also came out i started seeing alot of people tapping their board before tricks and doing other weird shit they didnt used to do.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on May 18, 2019, 07:05:28 AM
My number one brainwashing: when I watch Mouse, I want 7.5 deck, 5.0 venture low, and baggy pants.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on May 18, 2019, 03:32:59 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on May 17, 2019, 11:10:48 PM
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i'd like to see a study on correlation of skateboarding's switch to HD videos and the increase in truck madness.  you never used to be able to really tell what trucks someone was skating, and you could only rely on print ads (which often times featured the skater skating another brand's trucks)
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I've been watching folks who skates thunders to see how well they tail/nose slide. Truck madness is real.

I went through this too. You can nose/tailslide on Thunders. Here are mine:

(http://i66.tinypic.com/k9845s.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on May 18, 2019, 04:57:11 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on May 17, 2019, 11:10:48 PM
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i'd like to see a study on correlation of skateboarding's switch to HD videos and the increase in truck madness.  you never used to be able to really tell what trucks someone was skating, and you could only rely on print ads (which often times featured the skater skating another brand's trucks)
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I've been watching folks who skates thunders to see how well they tail/nose slide. Truck madness is real.

Dude same. I simply cannot nose/tailslide with thunders. Maybe if the ledge is waxed to shit I can squeeze one out. I never get my baseplates to make contact.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on May 18, 2019, 06:40:25 PM
Quote from: fang on May 18, 2019, 07:05:28 AM
My number one brainwashing: when I watch Mouse, I want 7.5 deck, 5.0 venture low, and baggy pants.

Love my tae turner 7.5 riding it with 5.2 and 45mm wheels thing rips!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on May 19, 2019, 12:38:02 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 13, 2019, 10:27:30 PM
You don't see the nuts if you're looking down, only when you start looking at an angle.
(https://i.postimg.cc/0yvsPyqm/BFCC4-C74-32-B4-4971-AA66-E1159363201-A.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

You really don’t... 8 on 7.75 board, nothing terrifying, all stable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nap on May 19, 2019, 05:34:13 AM
I wanna try out Indys on a 8.125, but I dont know which size is appropriated. I mean either 144 or 139,but the 3mm difference of a wider deck (compared to 139 Trucks) or 3mm of a wider truck (144) compred to the deck. - I like to skate loose but I dont know if the trucks are 3mm wider than the deck, does have a effect to make the board more stable. Which combination is more commonly used? -139 or '≥'144?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 19, 2019, 05:55:53 AM
Quote from: Nap on May 19, 2019, 05:34:13 AM
I wanna try out Indys on a 8.125, but I dont know which size is appropriated. I mean either 144 or 139,but the 3mm difference of a wider deck (compared to 139 Trucks) or 3mm of a wider truck (144) compred to the deck. - I like to skate loose but I dont know if the trucks are 3mm wider than the deck, does have a effect to make the board more stable. Which combination is more commonly used? -139 or '≥'144?

I would go 144. If you want to try a 8.25 or bit wide even after it still fits perfect, while 139 would be already quite small.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on May 19, 2019, 07:14:01 AM
Quote from: baustin on May 18, 2019, 03:32:59 PM
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i'd like to see a study on correlation of skateboarding's switch to HD videos and the increase in truck madness.  you never used to be able to really tell what trucks someone was skating, and you could only rely on print ads (which often times featured the skater skating another brand's trucks)
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I've been watching folks who skates thunders to see how well they tail/nose slide. Truck madness is real.
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I went through this too. You can nose/tailslide on Thunders. Here are mine:

(http://i66.tinypic.com/k9845s.jpg)
Second that. I was apprehensive they wouldn’t slide but once they break in they slide just as well as Indy’s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on May 19, 2019, 08:54:57 AM
my tailslides actually slide better with Thunder, but it's because I suck and I put more weight on the tail when it locks on, thus lifting the nose up. Same thing with my noseslides. So, I've never had an issues with Thunders or Ventures and I feel most people way better can just learn the balance point after a little bit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on May 19, 2019, 03:11:02 PM
Quote from: nosneb on May 18, 2019, 06:40:25 PM
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My number one brainwashing: when I watch Mouse, I want 7.5 deck, 5.0 venture low, and baggy pants.
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Love my tae turner 7.5 riding it with 5.2 and 45mm wheels thing rips!

Can't find that anywhere now! Exactly what I wanted though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Complements4U on May 20, 2019, 08:14:30 AM
Went home to visit, my mom had found a box in the garage with some old hockey stuff. Lo and behold something else lurking at the bottom, krux down lows 3.5 these were my first real trucks that I actually started having a preference for. Never thought I'd see these again fuck they are heavy. I wonder if they turn.

(https://i.postimg.cc/LsKYTwWm/IMG-20190520-111101.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fVCRW2ZP)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 21, 2019, 02:21:32 PM
the new GrindKing's are officially for sale.  $38. 

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/48080805/grindking-20-for-those-who-grind
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on May 21, 2019, 02:56:48 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on May 21, 2019, 02:21:32 PM
the new GrindKing's are officially for sale.  $38. 

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/48080805/grindking-20-for-those-who-grind

Plus $13 shipping to the US - $51.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on May 21, 2019, 07:08:21 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BxuzPNXDDou/
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3owyoYjmvDijECcQTu/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on May 21, 2019, 07:10:59 PM
Kick starter seems like a weird way to go about a product that looks like it’s already been produced
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on May 21, 2019, 07:16:43 PM
Tf is wrong with these companies?  Wheres the 9.5 truck?  Why dont venture and thunder have a 9 wide?  Theres tons of 9.75 decks being ridden by people.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on May 21, 2019, 07:24:44 PM
That's not really their demographic. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on May 21, 2019, 08:28:54 PM
Quote from: Dog the Bounty Hunter on May 21, 2019, 07:24:44 PM
That's not really their demographic.
   You mean thunder/venture i guess.  Well duh those companies havent made a wide truck since the 80s.  My 1st trucks were 179 thunders.  Indy make a 9.2 then it jumps to the useless 10 inch 215s.  It just seems truck width availability is lagging behind deck widths that alot of people are running.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on May 21, 2019, 08:51:03 PM
Quote from: givecigstosurfgroms on May 21, 2019, 08:28:54 PM
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   You mean thunder/venture i guess.  Well duh those companies havent made a wide truck since the 80s.  My 1st trucks were 179 thunders.  Indy make a 9.2 then it jumps to the useless 10 inch 215s.  It just seems truck width availability is lagging behind deck widths that alot of people are running.

I get it but, it's still more or less a niche. Popsicle boards are still the norm.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on May 21, 2019, 09:27:04 PM
Quote from: givecigstosurfgroms on May 21, 2019, 08:28:54 PM
Quote from: Dog the Bounty Hunter on May 21, 2019, 07:24:44 PM
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That's not really their demographic.
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   You mean thunder/venture i guess.  Well duh those companies havent made a wide truck since the 80s.  My 1st trucks were 179 thunders.  Indy make a 9.2 then it jumps to the useless 10 inch 215s.  It just seems truck width availability is lagging behind deck widths that alot of people are running.
Ok...
(https://media.giphy.com/media/1047xUIi3HQnmw/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Heather Chandler on May 21, 2019, 11:07:39 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/fthL3oS.jpg)

I'm setting this up next (8.5) with loose 169s.  The widest trucks I've had in the past on an 8.5 were some thunder 151. Should be interesting.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on May 22, 2019, 07:18:22 AM
Quote from: givecigstosurfgroms on May 21, 2019, 08:28:54 PM
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That's not really their demographic.
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   You mean thunder/venture i guess.  Well duh those companies havent made a wide truck since the 80s.  My 1st trucks were 179 thunders.  Indy make a 9.2 then it jumps to the useless 10 inch 215s.  It just seems truck width availability is lagging behind deck widths that alot of people are running.
i agree with you but i wouldn't really want an already slow turning truck made wider, and most boards over 9 are shaped in a way where 159/169 are perfect. tracker makes a 9.7 and ACE makes a 9.3 you could also get wider off set wheels or put more inboard washers on.

also, the reason thats not their demographic is because they don't have a truck that caters to them. if they actually made the trucks, (assuming they're better than indy)that would become their demographic, along side the other demographics they're targeting. indys dominate that demographic because they turn(sorta), they last, and most importantly, they actually have the sizes. people are looking for alternatives to indy for a variety of reasons and people are starting to ride wider setups more and more so it would be stupid to not even try to market to them while complaining about “thats not our demographic”.just make it your demographic dummy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on May 22, 2019, 09:45:56 AM
I mean, I wouldn’t r&d a whole line of wide ass trucks because a handful of old dudes don’t want to flip their boards anymore. Said old dudes only want to ride Indy and ace anyway, so 🤷‍♂️. Think about it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on May 22, 2019, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: Dog the Bounty Hunter on May 22, 2019, 09:45:56 AM
I mean, I wouldn’t r&d a whole line of wide ass trucks because a handful of old dudes don’t want to flip their boards anymore. Said old dudes only want to ride Indy and ace anyway, so 🤷‍♂️. Think about it.
Fine but   Im old and I flip my board and catch with my feet.  My board is a 10.25 and  Ive seen people tre with it first try.  Little kids can flip regular 8 inch boards.  Im 6'1 and don't mind the biggness.   You'd be suprised at what the old bowl fucks would try if it was available. Who wouldn't be stoked to try 9 inch thunders??
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 22, 2019, 01:14:09 PM
Seems like Grindking is back! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/48080805/grindking-20-for-those-who-grind/rewards

I must say that they dont look as bad as I expected. Its like a thunder hanger + krux baseplate... The backpack is also pretty sick.
I kinda wish indy did like a stage 12 with a inverted kingpin as the next step, or at least have the hexagonal cavity in the baseplate so you can put your own without needing to epoxy the nut down...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on May 22, 2019, 01:21:01 PM
Quote from: Dog the Bounty Hunter on May 22, 2019, 09:45:56 AM
Said old dudes only want to ride Indy and ace anyway
yeah exactly, it's an untapped market and it's a chance to sell to new customers. they're the only ones making the big trucks, so they're the only ones that get ridden.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: wurfnnjs on May 22, 2019, 01:45:20 PM
For those who skate without washers, is there any big difference? Thinking about taking mine off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on May 22, 2019, 02:01:18 PM
For those that ride 8.25 trucks: what size board do you use?
Or another way: which size is the best for 8” decks?
Was skating a 7.5 for awhile, very fun. I don’t like basically having to walk with my board though. I need to have wheels like 53 and up to roll where I live. I always get juiced and buy big board stuff, or modern sized equipment, 8.5 trucks and boards in that range. Fun to ride. Fucked to flip. I just need the regular ass set up. Please and thanks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on May 22, 2019, 03:08:41 PM
Quote from: givecigstosurfgroms on May 22, 2019, 10:50:40 AM
biggness
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on May 22, 2019, 08:15:40 PM
Quote from: givecigstosurfgroms on May 22, 2019, 10:50:40 AM
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I mean, I wouldn’t r&d a whole line of wide ass trucks because a handful of old dudes don’t want to flip their boards anymore. Said old dudes only want to ride Indy and ace anyway, so 🤷‍♂️. Think about it.
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Fine but   Im old and I flip my board and catch with my feet.  My board is a 10.25 and  Ive seen people tre with it first try.  Little kids can flip regular 8 inch boards.  Im 6'1 and don't mind the biggness.   You'd be suprised at what the old bowl fucks would try if it was available. Who wouldn't be stoked to try 9 inch thunders??


Venture’s selling a lightweight technical street skating truck. I’m surprised they made a 5.8 high. It was likely at the request of riders not fan base.

Venture kit is 7.5-8.0 and like 50mm wheels down polo shirts and camouflage pants.

Nhs truck that preforms like a venture is krux
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Quique on May 23, 2019, 03:42:38 PM
Quote from: Dustwardprez on May 22, 2019, 08:15:40 PM
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I mean, I wouldn’t r&d a whole line of wide ass trucks because a handful of old dudes don’t want to flip their boards anymore. Said old dudes only want to ride Indy and ace anyway, so 🤷‍♂️. Think about it.
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Fine but   Im old and I flip my board and catch with my feet.  My board is a 10.25 and  Ive seen people tre with it first try.  Little kids can flip regular 8 inch boards.  Im 6'1 and don't mind the biggness.   You'd be suprised at what the old bowl fucks would try if it was available. Who wouldn't be stoked to try 9 inch thunders??
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Venture’s selling a lightweight technical street skating truck. I’m surprised they made a 5.8 high. It was likely at the request of riders not fan base.

Venture kit is 7.5-8.0 and like 50mm wheels down polo shirts and camouflage pants.

Nhs truck that preforms like a venture is krux

Krux actually made a big skate truck called "the man". Under 9.8 wide and a little lighter than a 215.

This one https://www.ebay.com/itm/LAST-SET-NEW-KRUX-TRUX-THE-MAN-185MM-10-INCH-SKATEBOARD-TRUCKS-SET-PAIR-NEW/233225570752?hash=item364d53c9c0:g:6DkAAOSwnqpbrS3z (https://www.ebay.com/itm/LAST-SET-NEW-KRUX-TRUX-THE-MAN-185MM-10-INCH-SKATEBOARD-TRUCKS-SET-PAIR-NEW/233225570752?hash=item364d53c9c0:g:6DkAAOSwnqpbrS3z)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AngryBlackMan on May 24, 2019, 11:07:18 PM
I feel like I unlocked some magic today. Indy 149s with thunder medium hard bushings (97A). Indy doesn't make the super hard bushing (96A)  in conical and the cylinder bushings just didn't feel great for the way I skate. So I put the thunders in and they felt great right away. Loose enough to skate the bowls and do slappies and stable enough for skating ledges and flatground.  Stoked!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 25, 2019, 12:36:39 AM
I might try some ventures in the future now those are available!!

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx3KIWnjr3R/?igshid=1ueiyss65puez
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Powerlesspillars on May 27, 2019, 11:24:14 AM
Who needs finish work on hangars and axles
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on May 27, 2019, 01:45:31 PM
Quote from: wurfnnjs on May 22, 2019, 01:45:20 PM
For those who skate without washers, is there any big difference? Thinking about taking mine off.

Makes them more cruisey and sensitive turning, I ride with tops but no bottoms, some people do vise versa or without either, supposedly reduces the lifeline of the bushings by shredding them faster but I'm a few months into this setup and haven't had an issue
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on May 27, 2019, 08:25:29 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on May 27, 2019, 01:45:31 PM
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For those who skate without washers, is there any big difference? Thinking about taking mine off.
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Makes them more cruisey and sensitive turning, I ride with tops but no bottoms, some people do vise versa or without either, supposedly reduces the lifeline of the bushings by shredding them faster but I'm a few months into this setup and haven't had an issue
it really depends on the quality of the bushings themselves. low quality low rebound bushings last longer and have more rebound without washers because of the constant pressure of the washers not allowing the bushings regain its shape. its definitely a smoother turn and its more stable feeling because you feel more in control of the turn rather than the truck turning a certain amount and just stopping because of the washers binding. i guess the only problem is wheel bite, but you'll get used to it and eventually you'll get be able to ride without wheelbiting.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 27, 2019, 09:54:25 PM
Every time I’ve tried bushings without washers they’ve made my set-up sound really dead, even if I made sure the nut was tightened enough so there was no play. Bones bushings with a bottom washer and no top washer on Ace’s works good without the dead sound, though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on May 27, 2019, 10:11:51 PM
Quote from: wurfnnjs on May 22, 2019, 01:45:20 PM
For those who skate without washers, is there any big difference? Thinking about taking mine off.

Removing the bottom washer would fuck up the geometry, so i'm guessing you're talking about the top washer?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Heywoodfloyd on May 28, 2019, 04:26:45 AM
I think the washers job is to keep the bushings from deforming to much, and to help them keep their shape. So maybe you get a deeper turn without them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on May 28, 2019, 04:37:29 AM
Taking out washers sound as stupid as poping out shields from bearings.
Just a thought.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AngryBlackMan on May 28, 2019, 05:16:54 AM
Quote from: I AM on May 27, 2019, 08:25:29 PM
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For those who skate without washers, is there any big difference? Thinking about taking mine off.
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Makes them more cruisey and sensitive turning, I ride with tops but no bottoms, some people do vise versa or without either, supposedly reduces the lifeline of the bushings by shredding them faster but I'm a few months into this setup and haven't had an issue
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it really depends on the quality of the bushings themselves. low quality low rebound bushings last longer and have more rebound without washers because of the constant pressure of the washers not allowing the bushings regain its shape. its definitely a smoother turn and its more stable feeling because you feel more in control of the turn rather than the truck turning a certain amount and just stopping because of the washers binding. i guess the only problem is wheel bite, but you'll get used to it and eventually you'll get be able to ride without wheelbiting.

On some trucks you can get the same effect by using a flat washer on the bottom instead of the cupped washer. That way you keep the same geometry. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on May 28, 2019, 06:31:36 AM
Quote from: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 25, 2019, 12:36:39 AM
I might try some ventures in the future now those are available!!

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx3KIWnjr3R/?igshid=1ueiyss65puez

Oh shit! I've got an 8.25 sitting around that's begging for these.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 28, 2019, 06:49:44 AM
One more time, they are low's? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: In A Jar on May 29, 2019, 09:08:06 AM
Someone responded to me on the Venture instagram that the 5.6s are 53.5mm tall.  So yeah, same height as their other high trucks. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on May 29, 2019, 10:01:49 AM
Impulse bought some Thunder Ti Lights last night and I don't even skate Thunders. Been on Indy's for a while, but don't love them. Got some Venture 5.8 on another setup and they feel kinda like Indy, but not super sold on them.  Hopefully these Thunders solve some madness.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on May 29, 2019, 10:06:53 AM
Quote from: Shalom Iginla on May 28, 2019, 03:14:44 PM
Has anybody ever skated trucks that are significantly narrower than their deck? I'm curious about Venture lows, but I ride an 8.5 and would rather not size down because I have big feet.

I've used 44s on an 8.75". I wouldn't do it all the time but it was workable and gave some leverage for flip tricks. It just didn't feel good on leges or coping as locking in felt a little sketch.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on May 29, 2019, 12:57:12 PM
So venture had the chance of coming out with an technical street truck(low). At 8.25, and they made it tall. I mean nobody else makes tall trucks :-*. Right. Jippikayeee!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on May 29, 2019, 02:03:15 PM
Venture 8.25 low would be sweet
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on May 29, 2019, 06:50:51 PM
Quote from: fang on May 29, 2019, 02:03:15 PM
Venture 8.25 low would be sweet
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: max power on May 30, 2019, 12:18:01 PM
Quote from: Heather Chandler on May 21, 2019, 11:07:39 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/fthL3oS.jpg)

I'm setting this up next (8.5) with loose 169s.  The widest trucks I've had in the past on an 8.5 were some thunder 151. Should be interesting.
Is this a Niki Lauda tribute setup?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 30, 2019, 05:27:45 PM
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Venture 8.25 low would be sweet
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Hopefully they would be like the old thunder 149ers

Low and in control, so much center of gravity feel I regret it so hard giving them up

A little on the heavy side cause they were 8.4 standard gravity cast but man they were like if you took the real low pro II deck and made it into a truck, what a combo that would be
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on May 30, 2019, 06:13:31 PM
Losing it again. Changed my new thunder 147s last night back to Indy 139s yet without even riding them, pondering the thunders again. Keep in mind I also have venture lo 5.0 and 5.25
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 30, 2019, 10:30:45 PM
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Venture 8.25 low would be sweet
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Hopefully they would be like the old thunder 149ers

Low and in control, so much center of gravity feel I regret it so hard giving them up

A little on the heavy side cause they were 8.4 standard gravity cast but man they were like if you took the real low pro II deck and made it into a truck, what a combo that would be

Just seems dumb for venture to come out with something that competes w. Indy versus thunder... I can maybe see some team riders, but anyone else that wants a high truck, just skates Indy or ace. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on May 30, 2019, 10:49:32 PM
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Venture 8.25 low would be sweet
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Hopefully they would be like the old thunder 149ers

Low and in control, so much center of gravity feel I regret it so hard giving them up

A little on the heavy side cause they were 8.4 standard gravity cast but man they were like if you took the real low pro II deck and made it into a truck, what a combo that would be
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Just seems dumb for venture to come out with something that competes w. Indy versus thunder... I can maybe see some team riders, but anyone else that wants a high truck, just skates Indy or ace.

As trucks get wider wheelbite gets easier, so low trucks make less sense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 30, 2019, 11:12:19 PM
I'm loving the thunder 148's....was considering the ventures but now bought another set of thunders....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on May 30, 2019, 11:19:23 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 30, 2019, 11:12:19 PM
I'm loving the thunder 148's....was considering the ventures but now bought another set of thunders....


What size board do you pair them with? 8.25 trucks are ....they should be for me: old, can’t make up mind, want to ride big boards, skate bad on big boards. I got the 144s and wasn’t stoked. Ace 44s are sick, but I dunno. Wtf am I talking about. I just need to reconcile that I’m too decrepit to flick anything larger than an 8”.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on May 30, 2019, 11:37:55 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 30, 2019, 10:30:45 PM
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Venture 8.25 low would be sweet
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Hopefully they would be like the old thunder 149ers

Low and in control, so much center of gravity feel I regret it so hard giving them up

A little on the heavy side cause they were 8.4 standard gravity cast but man they were like if you took the real low pro II deck and made it into a truck, what a combo that would be
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Just seems dumb for venture to come out with something that competes w. Indy versus thunder... I can maybe see some team riders, but anyone else that wants a high truck, just skates Indy or ace.

But Ventures turn totally different (less sharply, until leant on hard) to Indy/Thunder/Ace? Hasn’t that been established time ago?

Anyway I’m not keen on lows apart from 5 mins dicking around on flat every so often.

Apart from on Slap I imagine Hi is what they sell most of now, lows being a little more for the educated buyer.

I’m sure they will make them if 5.6’s take off... it’s a test run, no v-light,hollow,titanium or thankfully pretty colours yet either.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on May 31, 2019, 01:17:03 AM
Quote from: Ok on May 30, 2019, 11:19:23 PM
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I'm loving the thunder 148's....was considering the ventures but now bought another set of thunders....
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What size board do you pair them with? 8.25 trucks are ....they should be for me: old, can’t make up mind, want to ride big boards, skate bad on big boards. I got the 144s and wasn’t stoked. Ace 44s are sick, but I dunno. Wtf am I talking about. I just need to reconcile that I’m too decrepit to flick anything larger than an 8”.

I came to that conclusion about myself as well. 😂
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Powerlesspillars on May 31, 2019, 03:40:31 AM
Going to try 8.125 on 44's if I can find one locally
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on May 31, 2019, 05:04:11 AM
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I'm loving the thunder 148's....was considering the ventures but now bought another set of thunders....
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What size board do you pair them with? 8.25 trucks are ....they should be for me: old, can’t make up mind, want to ride big boards, skate bad on big boards. I got the 144s and wasn’t stoked. Ace 44s are sick, but I dunno. Wtf am I talking about. I just need to reconcile that I’m too decrepit to flick anything larger than an 8”.
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I came to that conclusion about myself as well. 😂

It’s amazing, to me, that I keep trying to ride larger stuff. I do need to ride bigger wheels, and that makes a small board look even dumber. Almost as dumb as a 40+ year old on a skateboard.

I’m not sure about you, but I also don’t get as worn out, as quickly, on smaller boards
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheVisitor on May 31, 2019, 08:24:18 AM
Quote from: fang on May 30, 2019, 06:13:31 PM
Losing it again. Changed my new thunder 147s last night back to Indy 139s yet without even riding them, pondering the thunders again. Keep in mind I also have venture lo 5.0 and 5.25


Sell me your Venture low 5.25 lol. I help you with your madness.  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on May 31, 2019, 09:05:01 AM
I have Ace, Indy, Venture, and Thunder at home.  Can never figure out which I like best. Thunders have the most stable manual, I like Ace minus locking into certain grinds, Indys are all around hard to complain about and the Venture feel like a more fun/floppy Thunder. I think someone could adapt to all of them depending on what board they like.  So far my best combo has been a Polar 8.5 or Quasi Proto 8.25 with Ace or a DLX 8.25 Full SE (hard as fuck to find) with Indys.  I like Thunders with my FA I have currently, but don't really like that deck quite as much.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on May 31, 2019, 09:30:02 AM
Quote from: full of jerks on May 30, 2019, 10:49:32 PM
As trucks get wider lower, wheelbite gets easier, so low trucks make less sense.
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Although you might gain leverage with wider trucks, they'll still get less wheelbite, because the rails of the board have more clearance than the center.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on May 31, 2019, 09:39:58 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on May 31, 2019, 09:05:01 AM
DLX 8.25 Full SE (hard as fuck to find) with Indys. 

my current fav combo as well
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on May 31, 2019, 09:47:07 AM
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As trucks get wider lower, wheelbite gets easier, so low trucks make less sense.
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Fixed^

Although you might gain leverage with wider trucks, they'll still get less wheelbite, because the rails of the board have more clearance than the center.


Generally more wheelbite with wider trucks. There's probably some combo that has less, but based on geometry and that the angle of the truck is more significant than the angle of the concave.   

I have low 8" and 8.38" trucks.  I can run bigger wheels on the 8" trucks on an 8" board without wheelbite than I can on the 8.38" on and 8.3" deck.  I have to run risers on the 8.38" setup.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on May 31, 2019, 09:48:51 AM
Quote from: Shalom Iginla on May 28, 2019, 03:14:44 PM
Has anybody ever skated trucks that are significantly narrower than their deck? I'm curious about Venture lows, but I ride an 8.5 and would rather not size down because I have big feet.

I do rn. I ride ace 44 with an 8.5. But it’s a high truck because I like to carve for extra pop.

I still have my old thunder team lows
They are smaller than an indy 139 and I rode an 7.75 on those for a long long time. They fit the kalis that was slightly below an 7.5. I had the hard green bushings in them in an attempt to get rid of wheel bite and a cut top bushing. Likely orange pigs but worn way down. I kept riding that truck with soft wheels from 02-16. 

I have found that ventures (feather lite era) are less likely to wheel bite than other trucks.
The upside to having skinnier trucks is when you land primo it’s likely going to go wheels if you are stomping with weight on your heels. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on May 31, 2019, 09:52:08 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on May 31, 2019, 09:05:01 AM
I have Ace, Indy, Venture, and Thunder at home.  Can never figure out which I like best. Thunders have the most stable manual, I like Ace minus locking into certain grinds, Indys are all around hard to complain about and the Venture feel like a more fun/floppy Thunder. I think someone could adapt to all of them depending on what board they like.  So far my best combo has been a Polar 8.5 or Quasi Proto 8.25 with Ace or a DLX 8.25 Full SE (hard as fuck to find) with Indys.  I like Thunders with my FA I have currently, but don't really like that deck quite as much.

Are you Ben?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on May 31, 2019, 12:00:48 PM
Quote from: backinaction on May 31, 2019, 09:47:07 AM
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As trucks get wider lower, wheelbite gets easier, so low trucks make less sense.
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Fixed^

Although you might gain leverage with wider trucks, they'll still get less wheelbite, because the rails of the board have more clearance than the center.
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Generally more wheelbite with wider trucks. There's probably some combo that has less, but based on geometry and that the angle of the truck is more significant than the angle of the concave.   

...

This.

I just measured it actually.  On iPhone if you swipe right from the compass you can measure angles.  It isn't perfect but works good enough.  Measure in the middle of the board it is 0'  Measure at the edge for the concave it is 8~10'.  Put it back in the middle and stand on the board, lean the trucks and I was getting like 15'
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on May 31, 2019, 12:57:55 PM
Quote from: backinaction on May 31, 2019, 09:47:07 AM
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As trucks get wider lower, wheelbite gets easier, so low trucks make less sense.
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Fixed^

Although you might gain leverage with wider trucks, they'll still get less wheelbite, because the rails of the board have more clearance than the center.
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Generally more wheelbite with wider trucks. There's probably some combo that has less, but based on geometry and that the angle of the truck is more significant than the angle of the concave.   

I have low 8" and 8.38" trucks.  I can run bigger wheels on the 8" trucks on an 8" board without wheelbite than I can on the 8.38" on and 8.3" deck.  I have to run risers on the 8.38" setup.
You're right if you use a bigger deck for the bigger trucks - I meant using wider trucks on the same size deck would give less wheelbite.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on May 31, 2019, 01:04:45 PM
Here's how I look at trucks:
Thunder works excellent with DLX boards. Thunder is owned by DLX after all, so its ment to be.

Either way. This thing with wheelbase regarding thunder vs indy's, is it really relevant?
Thunders are shorter in height, and you can also alter the leverage with wheel size.

EDIT: In Ben's vid he says the difference in wb is like 6,35mm. Thunder's are around 2-5mm shorter, depending on size and baseplate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 31, 2019, 04:18:12 PM
I just think ideally the stock wb for DLX boards should be more like 14-14.25 and they are commonly higher...with thunders the wb feels a bit big, but the medium-mellow nose/tail but w/o the extended pocket, the combo is pretty bang on.  Thunders seem to be working for me because of how light they are and how they pop quick.  But I don't skate a ton of stuff where wheel bite is too too bad and I ride them 'medium'. They grind through faster than an Indy and don't turn as well though. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Heather Chandler on June 01, 2019, 04:40:05 PM
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(http://i.imgur.com/fthL3oS.jpg)

I'm setting this up next (8.5) with loose 169s.  The widest trucks I've had in the past on an 8.5 were some thunder 151. Should be interesting.
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Is this a Niki Lauda tribute setup?

I see what you mean...and it shall be now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on June 01, 2019, 04:51:40 PM
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I'm loving the thunder 148's....was considering the ventures but now bought another set of thunders....
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What size board do you pair them with? 8.25 trucks are ....they should be for me: old, can’t make up mind, want to ride big boards, skate bad on big boards. I got the 144s and wasn’t stoked. Ace 44s are sick, but I dunno. Wtf am I talking about. I just need to reconcile that I’m too decrepit to flick anything larger than an 8”.
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I came to that conclusion about myself as well. 😂
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It’s amazing, to me, that I keep trying to ride larger stuff. I do need to ride bigger wheels, and that makes a small board look even dumber. Almost as dumb as a 40+ year old on a skateboard.

I’m not sure about you, but I also don’t get as worn out, as quickly, on smaller boards

it’s hard to say. I’ve tried 8.12 or 8.25. I always go back to 8. been like that for 15+ years. and I’m short, so it’s just always seems to be the perfect size. I won’t lie though, trying to do shit down stairs or a gap is annoying with a board that small. thinking about getting 149’s and like a 8.3 for that stuff.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 01, 2019, 05:56:49 PM
46....and I'm skating an 8.125 on 148's and it's pretty awesome.  Feels like an 8 but just fits the trucks.  I was pumping around on an 8' ramp that had vert and was being a pussy and remembered 8" was a vert board ten years ago.....dropped in easy. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 02, 2019, 04:35:39 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 01, 2019, 05:56:49 PM
46....and I'm skating an 8.125 on 148's and it's pretty awesome.  Feels like an 8 but just fits the trucks.  I was pumping around on an 8' ramp that had vert and was being a pussy and remembered 8" was a vert board ten years ago.....dropped in easy.

That’s what I’m doing and thinking about keeping it that way but might actually go back to 8 with 147/139

I love how comfortable the 8.12 with 8.25 trucks is but idk I’m still stuck trying to relive my flip tricks consistent days so an 8 would be easier but hmmmmmm


Decisions decisions
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on June 02, 2019, 07:56:12 AM
Someone talk me out of buying thunders. I've had 3 sets of  5.25 venture highs in a row and these kalis Instagram clips are making me think my fliptricks will be better with 147 thunders. Its been 10 years since I had thunders.. I'm also entertaining 5.25 lows, but then I feel like I can't skate transition.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: soonbanned on June 02, 2019, 09:08:30 AM
I ride caliber hollows. Best trucks I have ever skated hands down.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on June 02, 2019, 10:22:58 AM
Quote from: skatefresh on June 02, 2019, 07:56:12 AM
Someone talk me out of buying thunders. I've had 3 sets of  5.25 venture highs in a row and these kalis Instagram clips are making me think my fliptricks will be better with 147 thunders. Its been 10 years since I had thunders.. I'm also entertaining 5.25 lows, but then I feel like I can't skate transition.

Can't help you. All these old dudes who have skated silver and venture seem to be switching to thunder. Switching from Venture Hi's to thunders might help you with any ghost pop you might be experiencing.

Gonna be switching to thunder for my next deck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on June 02, 2019, 03:24:08 PM
I've been riding Indy 149 on 8.25-8.5 for a while and prefer 8.25. Thinking of going down to 8.06 or 8.125 eventually. Got Thunder 148s, but haven't ridden- should I go with 147's, 148's, 139's, or 144? I like my Indy's for the most part but the balance point on Thunder feels pretty solid. I was thinking 148 or 144 is prob ideal so I can still hit an 8.25 with the right shape on occasion. Also, the Thunder 147 kingpin clearance looks atrocious.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: WorkClothscape on June 02, 2019, 11:37:11 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on June 02, 2019, 03:24:08 PM
Also, the Thunder 147 kingpin clearance looks atrocious.

The Thunder 148 is the first model that has any kingpin clearance but after a few slappies they look pretty much the same as 147's. You just need to get used to grinding with the kingpin.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 03, 2019, 09:36:21 AM
Quote from: skatefresh on June 02, 2019, 07:56:12 AM
Someone talk me out of buying thunders. I've had 3 sets of  5.25 venture highs in a row and these kalis Instagram clips are making me think my fliptricks will be better with 147 thunders. Its been 10 years since I had thunders.. I'm also entertaining 5.25 lows, but then I feel like I can't skate transition.



Pretty sure Yuto does that padless 540, on Instagram, with 5.25 lo’s.

(But I need bigger wheels, love 5.25 lo’s, cast plate)

Soju soju soju
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 03, 2019, 09:39:13 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on June 02, 2019, 03:24:08 PM
I've been riding Indy 149 on 8.25-8.5 for a while and prefer 8.25. Thinking of going down to 8.06 or 8.125 eventually. Got Thunder 148s, but haven't ridden- should I go with 147's, 148's, 139's, or 144? I like my Indy's for the most part but the balance point on Thunder feels pretty solid. I was thinking 148 or 144 is prob ideal so I can still hit an 8.25 with the right shape on occasion. Also, the Thunder 147 kingpin clearance looks atrocious.

I have all of these questions. 148/144 easily works on 8.5. Doesn’t go with the current trends of the day of hotdoggin setups. Interested to see what you choose
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 03, 2019, 01:02:29 PM
running some very weird frankenstein bushing setup right now on thunder 149s; after my og bushings had seen better days i got some bones hardcores off a friend but they were unfortunately the soft ones which i couldnt get away with and the back one imploded on itself pretty much. dug out some real old hard bushings from a cheap set of trucks and paired the bottoms of those with the old thunder tops which are blown the fuck out. i expected it to feel horrible but it actually feels pretty fucking good. i cant really compare it to other trucks as ive been on thunders for years but it doesnt feel close to stock thunders. kinda has that wobbly shit going on where there's no real solid centre point as you'd normally expect with thunders and as such it'll wobble either way yet it still manages to feel stable when set up for tricks. also manages to carve pretty deep without wheelbiting, and certain tricks/landings i can get away with no wheelbite which def wouldnt have happened on the hardcores.

not saying cheap shit bushings are the way to go and chances are these will be fucked in less than a month but its always interesting to have a fiddle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 03, 2019, 10:15:28 PM
Quote from: skatefresh on June 02, 2019, 07:56:12 AM
Someone talk me out of buying thunders.
your wheelbase will be significantly longer, although that might be a good thing depending on your setup
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 03, 2019, 10:39:08 PM
They grind through quickly, wheelbite, they don't carve as well as Indy or thunders, dumb graphics.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on June 04, 2019, 12:16:38 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 03, 2019, 10:39:08 PM
They grind through quickly, wheelbite, they don't carve as well as Indy or thunders ace, dumb graphics.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on June 04, 2019, 04:41:14 AM
Quote from: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on June 03, 2019, 10:15:28 PM
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Someone talk me out of buying thunders.
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your wheelbase will be significantly longer, although that might be a good thing depending on your setup

I'm short so I hate long wheelbases. Although the ventures I'm skating have practically the same wheelbase as thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on June 04, 2019, 04:45:13 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 03, 2019, 10:39:08 PM
They grind through quickly, wheelbite, they don't carve as well as Indy or thunders, dumb graphics.

Honestly venture highs turn pretty nicely. I feel like i get all the benefits of indys with a more stable truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on June 04, 2019, 09:56:50 AM
Quote from: Ok on June 03, 2019, 09:39:13 AM
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I've been riding Indy 149 on 8.25-8.5 for a while and prefer 8.25. Thinking of going down to 8.06 or 8.125 eventually. Got Thunder 148s, but haven't ridden- should I go with 147's, 148's, 139's, or 144? I like my Indy's for the most part but the balance point on Thunder feels pretty solid. I was thinking 148 or 144 is prob ideal so I can still hit an 8.25 with the right shape on occasion. Also, the Thunder 147 kingpin clearance looks atrocious.
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I have all of these questions. 148/144 easily works on 8.5. Doesn’t go with the current trends of the day of hotdoggin setups. Interested to see what you choose

I'm sticking with 8.25 and no plans on going above the Anti Hero 8.28 shape.  If anything I might go down to 8.06 or 8.125 Generator shapes.  Right now I have the 148 Ti Lights on a 8.25x31.75x14.25 and the manuals are a bit weird at first, but coming back. Otherwise everything else feels pretty solid. They came super, super loose.  Honestly am only really noticing the baseplate stick.

Overall I want to stick with 8.25 or smaller trucks. I simply don't need the size and weight of a 149/8.5 axle. (have some super new Venture V-Lights if anyone wants them).  Not sure I also want to shell out for Indys and Ventures to test until the Venture hype dies down enough to get a better review.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 04, 2019, 11:04:05 PM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  on June 04, 2019, 12:16:38 AM
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They grind through quickly, wheelbite, they don't carve as well as Indy or thunders ace, dumb graphics.
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Yeah sorry meant ventures....thunders push your wheel base out too....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SneakySecrets on June 05, 2019, 10:34:27 AM
Anyone know where I can get the 5.6 ventures online?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on June 05, 2019, 11:28:32 AM
Quote from: SneakySecrets on June 05, 2019, 10:34:27 AM
Anyone know where I can get the 5.6 ventures online?

Unless you are spending $75 prepare for $14 shipping

http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Trucks/Venture/p/Venture-All-Polished-56-hi-set-of-2-825-x39535319.htm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: timv on June 05, 2019, 11:56:30 AM
Quote from: givecigstosurfgroms on May 21, 2019, 07:16:43 PM
Tf is wrong with these companies?  Wheres the 9.5 truck?  Why dont venture and thunder have a 9 wide?  Theres tons of 9.75 decks being ridden by people.

Just looking through the Venture page I found they will be offering a 6.1 size soon also.
http://venturetrucks.net/sizes/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 05, 2019, 02:17:23 PM
Quote from: timv on June 05, 2019, 11:56:30 AM
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Tf is wrong with these companies?  Wheres the 9.5 truck?  Why dont venture and thunder have a 9 wide?  Theres tons of 9.75 decks being ridden by people.
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Just looking through the Venture page I found they will be offering a 6.1 size soon also.
http://venturetrucks.net/sizes/

This is the best fucking news I've ever seen in my entire life
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on June 05, 2019, 02:58:59 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on June 05, 2019, 02:17:23 PM
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Tf is wrong with these companies?  Wheres the 9.5 truck?  Why dont venture and thunder have a 9 wide?  Theres tons of 9.75 decks being ridden by people.
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Just looking through the Venture page I found they will be offering a 6.1 size soon also.
http://venturetrucks.net/sizes/
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This is the best fucking news I've ever seen in my entire life

OK that's peaked my interest. I'm presuming an 8.75" axle? I rotate between Ace and Thunder. Tell me why these Ventures will be better than a Thunder 151? And I might just give them a go...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 05, 2019, 03:31:01 PM
Quote from: arrbee on June 05, 2019, 11:28:32 AM
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Anyone know where I can get the 5.6 ventures online?
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Unless you are spending $75 prepare for $14 shipping

http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Trucks/Venture/p/Venture-All-Polished-56-hi-set-of-2-825-x39535319.htm

Best shop tho. I always call them and ask product questions and when they have time they give super thoughtful answers. People really really skate that work there. In rambling conclusion: I can always order enough for the shipping. I also try and order from them cuz I use their website to find dimensions
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on June 05, 2019, 03:43:02 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/ByV3t0AFhHR/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/ByV3t0AFhHR/)
6.1s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on June 05, 2019, 04:19:14 PM
https://destructotrucks.com/products/d1-squadron-raw-mid

Destructo got the 6.0 truck with the magnesium baseplate. Probably lighter than those other wide ones
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 05, 2019, 05:46:01 PM
First it was the theeve tih, then the new tensor mags...could these be next?  How about a magnesium mini logo.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SneakySecrets on June 05, 2019, 06:21:23 PM
Quote from: Ok on June 05, 2019, 03:31:01 PM
Quote from: arrbee on June 05, 2019, 11:28:32 AM
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Anyone know where I can get the 5.6 ventures online?
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Unless you are spending $75 prepare for $14 shipping

http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Trucks/Venture/p/Venture-All-Polished-56-hi-set-of-2-825-x39535319.htm
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Best shop tho. I always call them and ask product questions and when they have time they give super thoughtful answers. People really really skate that work there. In rambling conclusion: I can always order enough for the shipping. I also try and order from them cuz I use their website to find dimensions

Thanks for the recommendation, I’ll probably go through them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on June 05, 2019, 07:01:39 PM
Are there lighter versions out yet (ti, v-lights, etc) and are they for sale anywhere online?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on June 06, 2019, 04:06:14 AM
Quote from: TwisT on June 05, 2019, 04:19:14 PM
https://destructotrucks.com/products/d1-squadron-raw-mid

Destructo got the 6.0 truck with the magnesium baseplate. Probably lighter than those other wide ones
-New Larger 6.00 Trucks (Fits 8.625-8.875 Decks)

-Hollowpoint King Pins
-Standard Ride Height
-Smooth, Responsive Turns
-Weapons Grade Aluminum Base Plates
-Guaranteed For Life
-100% Virgin USA aluminum


These ain't mag
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on June 06, 2019, 05:23:13 AM
^my bad
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stephop on June 06, 2019, 09:05:39 AM
I found out running no top bushing and just washers is cheating. No wheel bite if set up right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 06, 2019, 10:30:27 AM
Quote from: SneakySecrets on June 05, 2019, 06:21:23 PM
Quote from: Ok on June 05, 2019, 03:31:01 PM
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Quote from: arrbee on June 05, 2019, 11:28:32 AM
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Quote from: SneakySecrets on June 05, 2019, 10:34:27 AM
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Anyone know where I can get the 5.6 ventures online?
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Unless you are spending $75 prepare for $14 shipping

http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Trucks/Venture/p/Venture-All-Polished-56-hi-set-of-2-825-x39535319.htm
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Best shop tho. I always call them and ask product questions and when they have time they give super thoughtful answers. People really really skate that work there. In rambling conclusion: I can always order enough for the shipping. I also try and order from them cuz I use their website to find dimensions
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Thanks for the recommendation, I’ll probably go through them.

I think 144p works there...they seem to be super on point ie. if you ask them a wheelbase, they'll tell ya. 

My expectations of venture are low, I want an 8.25 low titanium axel w. cast baseplates ..ill keep skating thunders....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Powerlesspillars on June 06, 2019, 02:28:35 PM
Quote from: stephop on June 06, 2019, 09:05:39 AM
I found out running no top bushing and just washers is cheating. No wheel bite if set up right.

Truth, same with cut top bushing and 1 washer.. Only for those that can really handle the board, or those that enjoy looking stupid attempting to control it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on June 06, 2019, 08:06:41 PM
So everyone is switching from Indy because they're made in China, but has the quality actually gone down? Why do skaters that wear so many Asian made shoes give a fuck enough to change their setup?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on June 06, 2019, 08:39:00 PM
Quote from: stephop on June 06, 2019, 09:05:39 AM
I found out running no top bushing and just washers is cheating. No wheel bite if set up right.

Two top washers flipped upside down and the kingpin nut tightened down to a certain point, not too low or high, allows for perfect maximum wobble. Washers catch it right before the bite happens. I skated this way for about a year. I only stopped because I lost some tricks I loved, especially slappies. Just didn’t work and I’d fly off my board straight to the ground.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on June 06, 2019, 08:44:41 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on June 06, 2019, 08:39:00 PM
Quote from: stephop on June 06, 2019, 09:05:39 AM
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I found out running no top bushing and just washers is cheating. No wheel bite if set up right.
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Two top washers flipped upside down and the kingpin nut tightened down to a certain point, not too low or high, allows for perfect maximum wobble. Washers catch it right before the bite happens. I skated this way for about a year. I only stopped because I lost some tricks I loved, especially slappies. Just didn’t work and I’d fly off my board straight to the ground.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEhACMnttJ8
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 06, 2019, 09:12:15 PM
After finally getting a pair of Ace's (the classics aka V3s) Ive found that 100% stock is probably the perfect truck for someone like me who likes really lose but not wobbly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on June 06, 2019, 09:20:46 PM
Quote from: Dog the Bounty Hunter on June 06, 2019, 08:44:41 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on June 06, 2019, 08:39:00 PM
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Quote from: stephop on June 06, 2019, 09:05:39 AM
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I found out running no top bushing and just washers is cheating. No wheel bite if set up right.
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Two top washers flipped upside down and the kingpin nut tightened down to a certain point, not too low or high, allows for perfect maximum wobble. Washers catch it right before the bite happens. I skated this way for about a year. I only stopped because I lost some tricks I loved, especially slappies. Just didn’t work and I’d fly off my board straight to the ground.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEhACMnttJ8

😂😂☠️☠️😂😂
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stephop on June 07, 2019, 07:39:43 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on June 06, 2019, 08:39:00 PM
Quote from: stephop on June 06, 2019, 09:05:39 AM
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I found out running no top bushing and just washers is cheating. No wheel bite if set up right.
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Two top washers flipped upside down and the kingpin nut tightened down to a certain point, not too low or high, allows for perfect maximum wobble. Washers catch it right before the bite happens. I skated this way for about a year. I only stopped because I lost some tricks I loved, especially slappies. Just didn’t work and I’d fly off my board straight to the ground.

I just did it messing around. I've always ran very loose trucks. I could not do both trucks though and skate close to the same since I'm old and not as good as it is. Anything Fakie felt like suicide both trucks 😂
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: slutbang666 on June 07, 2019, 11:45:27 AM


Thunder 148’s had loose kingpins so I knocked them out and put a krux downlow. Bushings are bones hard on bottom and bones soft on top.
(https://i.ibb.co/YBKHZK1/71-B65-CC7-15-F8-4569-89-C5-327929112-CCD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LdqV5qc)
image upload site (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on June 07, 2019, 12:13:06 PM
Quote from: slutbang666 on June 07, 2019, 11:45:27 AM


Thunder 148’s had loose kingpins so I knocked them out and put a krux downlow. Bushings are bones hard on bottom and bones soft on top.
(https://i.ibb.co/YBKHZK1/71-B65-CC7-15-F8-4569-89-C5-327929112-CCD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LdqV5qc)
image upload site (https://imgbb.com/)

Do you have to glue the bolt in the baseplate like you do with Indy’s?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: slutbang666 on June 07, 2019, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: Murge on June 07, 2019, 12:13:06 PM
Quote from: slutbang666 on June 07, 2019, 11:45:27 AM
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Thunder 148’s had loose kingpins so I knocked them out and put a krux downlow. Bushings are bones hard on bottom and bones soft on top.
(https://i.ibb.co/YBKHZK1/71-B65-CC7-15-F8-4569-89-C5-327929112-CCD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LdqV5qc)
image upload site (https://imgbb.com/)
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Do you have to glue the bolt in the baseplate like you do with Indy’s?

No the nut fit fine, but I used the old grinder down nut instead of krux nut because it fit better. I can tighten and loosen the trucks without taking the board off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sharkin on June 07, 2019, 12:20:59 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on June 06, 2019, 08:06:41 PM
So everyone is switching from Indy because they're made in China, but has the quality actually gone down? Why do skaters that wear so many Asian made shoes give a fuck enough to change their setup?

I got a brand new set of stage XI from NHS yesterday that have "Mfg in USA of foreign and domestic components" on the axle hangtag

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on June 07, 2019, 01:40:13 PM
Quote from: stephop on June 07, 2019, 07:39:43 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on June 06, 2019, 08:39:00 PM
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Quote from: stephop on June 06, 2019, 09:05:39 AM
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I found out running no top bushing and just washers is cheating. No wheel bite if set up right.
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Two top washers flipped upside down and the kingpin nut tightened down to a certain point, not too low or high, allows for perfect maximum wobble. Washers catch it right before the bite happens. I skated this way for about a year. I only stopped because I lost some tricks I loved, especially slappies. Just didn’t work and I’d fly off my board straight to the ground.
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I just did it messing around. I've always ran very loose trucks. I could not do both trucks though and skate close to the same since I'm old and not as good as it is. Anything Fakie felt like suicide both trucks 😂

You’d be surprised how well you get used to it after just a couple days. But yeah, it certainly makes all tricks a lot more challenging. Took my Ace’s turning to an insane level though, which I miss. The slightest movement was the most hair trigger turning, way more than with a normal bushing set-up.

Quote from: sharkin on June 07, 2019, 12:20:59 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on June 06, 2019, 08:06:41 PM
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So everyone is switching from Indy because they're made in China, but has the quality actually gone down? Why do skaters that wear so many Asian made shoes give a fuck enough to change their setup?
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I got a brand new set of stage XI from NHS yesterday that have "Mfg in USA of foreign and domestic components" on the axle hangtag

Older stock. My local got in a box of all sizes about a month ago and every truck was made in China on the axle hangtag. Baseplate barcode has changed twice since they’ve been fully made there. I speculate they may have possibly been bought out twice based on that.

Also, Independent being overly hyped inferior geometry trucks had the made in USA appeal as their saving grace. Now they’re dead.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on June 07, 2019, 02:35:10 PM
That's what I don't get- they weren't inferior before. Everyone skated them fine and had no issues. There were other USA made trucks as alternatives.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 07, 2019, 03:21:56 PM
Pretty sure all trucks are made in China so it's not that.  I don't think they are bad trucks at all just not what I'm interested in. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on June 07, 2019, 04:49:21 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 07, 2019, 03:21:56 PM
Pretty sure all trucks are made in China so it's not that.  I don't think they are bad trucks at all just not what I'm interested in.

Thunder's and Venture's with standard cast plates and solid axles are still made in SF, but I believe on account of using washers and nuts from overseas (and I think they have their bushings poured in Mexico) they have to go the "Made in USA of foreign and domestic parts" route.

But yeah, I've had two sets of Indy's come through in the last year (one standard, one forged hollow), both had simply "Made in China" on the hang tag. Never noticed a dip in quality, no issues. Especially considering 100% USA made Stage IX's had baseplates that crumbled, and Stage VIII's axle slip from a slight breeze.   
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on June 07, 2019, 06:27:00 PM
One of my Indy 139s is impossible to tighten. I get like 2 cranks from flush.

The other truck I can likely tighten till the bushings explode if I wanted.

I took the fucker apart pit it back together still problematic.

This ever happen to someone else?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on June 07, 2019, 06:30:00 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on May 17, 2019, 11:10:48 PM
Quote from: art hellman on May 17, 2019, 01:00:21 PM
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i'd like to see a study on correlation of skateboarding's switch to HD videos and the increase in truck madness.  you never used to be able to really tell what trucks someone was skating, and you could only rely on print ads (which often times featured the skater skating another brand's trucks)
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I've been watching folks who skates thunders to see how well they tail/nose slide. Truck madness is real.

UPDATE: My Thunder 147 Hi's slide just fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on June 07, 2019, 07:31:38 PM
Quote from: palelight on June 07, 2019, 04:49:21 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 07, 2019, 03:21:56 PM
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Pretty sure all trucks are made in China so it's not that.  I don't think they are bad trucks at all just not what I'm interested in.
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Thunder's and Venture's with standard cast plates and solid axles are still made in SF, but I believe on account of using washers and nuts from overseas (and I think they have their bushings poured in Mexico) they have to go the "Made in USA of foreign and domestic parts" route.

But yeah, I've had two sets of Indy's come through in the last year (one standard, one forged hollow), both had simply "Made in China" on the hang tag. Never noticed a dip in quality, no issues. Especially considering 100% USA made Stage IX's had baseplates that crumbled, and Stage VIII's axle slip from a slight breeze.

Ha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on June 07, 2019, 10:08:09 PM
Quote from: Dustwardprez on June 07, 2019, 06:27:00 PM
One of my Indy 139s is impossible to tighten. I get like 2 cranks from flush.

The other truck I can likely tighten till the bushings explode if I wanted.

I took the fucker apart pit it back together still problematic.

This ever happen to someone else?

this happens to me almost every set of trucks I get when I first set them up, regardless of brand. I have the worst luck with trucks. what I usually do is skate them one way for about a month, then swap the front to the back, and vice versa.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: clintendo on June 08, 2019, 06:47:03 PM
Recently got the CSX Hollows from Theeve, big improvements from their last gen of trucks, the cast on the hangers is a lot more solid than the Tiax's I had before, which seems to be better for grinding. These come standard with a hollow  axle and kingpin, but I just switched the hangers to my Tiax baseplates as I was lazy to undo the deck bolts, haven't noticed the difference in weight but also went down from 6.5's to 5.85's so that could explain that.

Front truck only has standard top washer and is always tighter than the back for me, back truck only has a bones washer on top (the ones that come with most bones bushings now) so I have the rattle without all the noise that comes with it and still running riptide pivots.

(https://i.ibb.co/c1yC6yz/66-AB0-CB6-A733-4308-B84-B-0-DD400-B68-FE6.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 10, 2019, 11:35:26 AM
What’s the biggest wheel anyone here has put under a 147, forged?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on June 11, 2019, 01:35:14 AM
Quote from: Ok on June 10, 2019, 11:35:26 AM
What’s the biggest wheel anyone here has put under a 147, forged?

52mm, semi loose. They are perfect when broken in at about 51 and less.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on June 11, 2019, 11:21:11 AM
Now I am paranoid as fuck about my tailslides since they aren't sliding on Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on June 11, 2019, 12:16:25 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on June 11, 2019, 11:21:11 AM
Now I am paranoid as fuck about my tailslides since they aren't sliding on Thunders.
Mine slide.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on June 11, 2019, 01:26:24 PM
Quote from: Idk on June 11, 2019, 12:16:25 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on June 11, 2019, 11:21:11 AM
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Now I am paranoid as fuck about my tailslides since they aren't sliding on Thunders.
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Mine slide.

2:14 they slide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-MlDfmGlJE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-MlDfmGlJE)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Powerlesspillars on June 11, 2019, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: Dustwardprez on June 07, 2019, 06:27:00 PM
One of my Indy 139s is impossible to tighten. I get like 2 cranks from flush.

The other truck I can likely tighten till the bushings explode if I wanted.

I took the fucker apart pit it back together still problematic.

This ever happen to someone else?

I had 149 forged hollows that did this to me. Turns out the kingpin was stripped
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on June 11, 2019, 02:25:00 PM
update: my tailslides are to blame
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 11, 2019, 03:55:40 PM
Quote from: ultrabra on June 11, 2019, 01:35:14 AM
Quote from: Ok on June 10, 2019, 11:35:26 AM
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What’s the biggest wheel anyone here has put under a 147, forged?
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52mm, semi loose. They are perfect when broken in at about 51 and less.

Thanks.
This is what I feared. Didn’t think I was so fragile, anything over 52 is great to roll, and then everything else is beat.

I have a hard time with all ledge tricks, but thunders and me have yet to hook up a proper slide. Yet. True Lucas (one of the raddest ever), and many others, can make em slide. I can’t. I know it’s me, but I don’t understand the witch craft.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on June 11, 2019, 11:55:40 PM
Thunders arent very forgiving in terms of tail/noseslides. You really have to commit, all the weight on the tail/nose, like u should be doing anyway ofc.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on June 12, 2019, 12:49:36 AM
^Alright, time to get some mini logos guys. They got rid of the emblem on the hanger, and placed a cool 5 star on the baseplate nub (wtf is that part of truck called anyways?). Guaranteed to slide like a dream.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bwr7XHLFK02/

Still waiting for degros to review them. Ya know, to spread the gospel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: WorkClothscape on June 12, 2019, 01:57:36 AM
Quote from: franquietits on June 12, 2019, 12:49:36 AM
^Alright, time to get some mini logos guys. They got rid of the emblem on the hanger, and placed a cool 5 star on the baseplate nub (wtf is that part of truck called anyways?). Guaranteed to slide like a dream.

Doesn't look good on the kingpin clearance department.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on June 12, 2019, 08:19:36 AM
Quote from: WorkClothscape on June 12, 2019, 01:57:36 AM
Quote from: franquietits on June 12, 2019, 12:49:36 AM
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^Alright, time to get some mini logos guys. They got rid of the emblem on the hanger, and placed a cool 5 star on the baseplate nub (wtf is that part of truck called anyways?). Guaranteed to slide like a dream.
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Doesn't look good on the kingpin clearance department.

I love how they still call them 'mid' even thought they are pretty much the lowest trucks in existence.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on June 12, 2019, 04:15:34 PM
Quote from: Dustwardprez on June 12, 2019, 02:30:29 PM
Im in a rotten mood so I’m gonna sex pistol whip you in the face with my massive hairy veiny keyboard.

It’s pathetic that people keep complaining about their wheels touching the ledge because of the thunder baseplate. Go faster try harder Get harder wheels. 

The problem is you not the truck. You’re spreading FAKE NEWS

8.25 venture or worse a fucking 6.0? The thought of that is disgraceful to the venture legacy.

Every shop I go to has a surplus of 8” venture lows covered in dust. They barely sell. It’s also the most returned truck.

People buy them set them up roll around for an hr or two take them off debate on whether they’re scratched too much to swap them for thunders at their shop.

Go to your shop and ask for an axle but.

If there are no loose ones they will give you one off a Venture if they like you.

8.25 will be the same results now that skate park culture is taking over street skating again.

Overproduction of unnecessary shit.

I know most of you truck nerds have a set of venture lows sitting in a box at home that are basically brand new.

I haven’t tried the venture high so I can’t speak on that. Feel free to prove me wrong

What’s say you to all the skated ventures in this thread?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on June 12, 2019, 05:50:11 PM
Quote from: Dustwardprez on June 12, 2019, 02:30:29 PM
Im in a rotten mood so I’m gonna sex pistol whip you in the face with my massive hairy veiny keyboard.

It’s pathetic that people keep complaining about their wheels touching the ledge because of the thunder baseplate. Go faster try harder Get harder wheels. 

The problem is you not the truck. You’re spreading FAKE NEWS

8.25 venture or worse a fucking 6.0? The thought of that is disgraceful to the venture legacy.

Every shop I go to has a surplus of 8” venture lows covered in dust. They barely sell. It’s also the most returned truck.

People buy them set them up roll around for an hr or two take them off debate on whether they’re scratched too much to swap them for thunders at their shop.

Go to your shop and ask for an axle but.

If there are no loose ones they will give you one off a Venture if they like you.

8.25 will be the same results now that skate park culture is taking over street skating again.

Overproduction of unnecessary shit.

I know most of you truck nerds have a set of venture lows sitting in a box at home that are basically brand new.

I haven’t tried the venture high so I can’t speak on that. Feel free to prove me wrong

SUICIDE WATCH
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on June 12, 2019, 06:21:17 PM
so has anybody noticed that the mounting holes on the venture high and forged high are different? the forged have the holes more back pushing the baseplate foward. the standard have them more foward pushing the baseplate back. weird as fuck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 12, 2019, 09:16:38 PM
Quote from: Dustwardprez on June 12, 2019, 02:30:29 PM
Im in a rotten mood so I’m gonna sex pistol whip you in the face with my massive hairy veiny keyboard.

It’s pathetic that people keep complaining about their wheels touching the ledge because of the thunder baseplate. Go faster try harder Get harder wheels. 

The problem is you not the truck. You’re spreading FAKE NEWS

8.25 venture or worse a fucking 6.0? The thought of that is disgraceful to the venture legacy.

Every shop I go to has a surplus of 8” venture lows covered in dust. They barely sell. It’s also the most returned truck.

People buy them set them up roll around for an hr or two take them off debate on whether they’re scratched too much to swap them for thunders at their shop.

Go to your shop and ask for an axle but.

If there are no loose ones they will give you one off a Venture if they like you.

8.25 will be the same results now that skate park culture is taking over street skating again.

Overproduction of unnecessary shit.

I know most of you truck nerds have a set of venture lows sitting in a box at home that are basically brand new.

I haven’t tried the venture high so I can’t speak on that. Feel free to prove me wrong

you do realize that venture made 8.75 trucks before they made 7.75 trucks, right?

(http://blacklabelskates.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Cardiel_Thrasher_71992-615x437.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on June 12, 2019, 09:26:49 PM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on June 12, 2019, 06:21:17 PM
so has anybody noticed that the mounting holes on the venture high and forged high are different? the forged have the holes more back pushing the baseplate foward. the standard have them more foward pushing the baseplate back. weird as fuck.

perhaps...perhapsss they shortened the wheelbase just a tad bit to make up for the lower sitting axle so they would turn the same, idk
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on June 12, 2019, 09:58:14 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on June 12, 2019, 09:16:38 PM
Quote from: Dustwardprez on June 12, 2019, 02:30:29 PM
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Im in a rotten mood so I’m gonna sex pistol whip you in the face with my massive hairy veiny keyboard.

It’s pathetic that people keep complaining about their wheels touching the ledge because of the thunder baseplate. Go faster try harder Get harder wheels. 

The problem is you not the truck. You’re spreading FAKE NEWS

8.25 venture or worse a fucking 6.0? The thought of that is disgraceful to the venture legacy.

Every shop I go to has a surplus of 8” venture lows covered in dust. They barely sell. It’s also the most returned truck.

People buy them set them up roll around for an hr or two take them off debate on whether they’re scratched too much to swap them for thunders at their shop.

Go to your shop and ask for an axle but.

If there are no loose ones they will give you one off a Venture if they like you.

8.25 will be the same results now that skate park culture is taking over street skating again.

Overproduction of unnecessary shit.

I know most of you truck nerds have a set of venture lows sitting in a box at home that are basically brand new.

I haven’t tried the venture high so I can’t speak on that. Feel free to prove me wrong
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you do realize that venture made 8.75 trucks before they made 7.75 trucks, right?

(http://blacklabelskates.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Cardiel_Thrasher_71992-615x437.jpg)

I’m only fucking around. Except the go faster try harder but.
I don’t care what trucks people ride. Well maybe in the early days based upon other kids not pro teams.

I disliked the venture kids in my town. I had been skating alone mostly. On the Indy 2 that I got handed down to me by the original skate crew in town. It was old gear so I got kooked by the new wave of NWA fan boys who didn’t like punks.

Circle A boards and Venture was out. Those kids sucked and whatever they were riding I was not. Later the venture thing took off in the city I was doing my own thing.
One day many many years later
Dan Zzzzig Zag-of-ski ked. His parents bought him some venture feather lights. He was always getting new shit. I remember all that stuff from the 80s and that old feeling back. I said let me try.

They didn’t turn haha. I felt hella Awake because if a car comes I’m getting run over.

The older kids in the 80s their ventures turned looked like an indy. I admit it’s definitely the best looking truck
any one who loved world and blind-girl etc
Kalis Stevie was riding Indy.

I know who was riding them professionally. I didn’t care. I never had new shit as a kid till
I the T4s. That truck was the shit in my mind. Turning was good the board flipped and spun. Why would I change from thunders.

I remember seeing some interview on YouTube with a venture rider.
PJ said something to the effect of why would you change trucks after your good. People don’t do that.

I ride ace trucks. Most of the lifers I know ride ace trucks. I still flip and spin my board.

I’m in a bad mood and I feel like being the mean ranting truck nerd rn.

If you read all of this I’m shocked and you rule and may also need medical help
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on June 13, 2019, 12:10:02 AM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on June 12, 2019, 09:26:49 PM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on June 12, 2019, 06:21:17 PM
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so has anybody noticed that the mounting holes on the venture high and forged high are different? the forged have the holes more back pushing the baseplate foward. the standard have them more foward pushing the baseplate back. weird as fuck.
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perhaps...perhapsss they shortened the wheelbase just a tad bit to make up for the lower sitting axle so they would turn the same, idk

the longer one is the shorter one. The thinner baseplate makes the wheelbase longer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on June 13, 2019, 12:49:24 AM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on June 13, 2019, 12:10:02 AM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on June 12, 2019, 09:26:49 PM
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Quote from: Fifty8mm on June 12, 2019, 06:21:17 PM
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so has anybody noticed that the mounting holes on the venture high and forged high are different? the forged have the holes more back pushing the baseplate foward. the standard have them more foward pushing the baseplate back. weird as fuck.
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perhaps...perhapsss they shortened the wheelbase just a tad bit to make up for the lower sitting axle so they would turn the same, idk
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the longer one is the shorter one. The thinner baseplate makes the wheelbase longer.

Nah, changing the height of 'x' doesn't move the position of 'y,' if you catch my drift. Otherwise sticking risers on your board would affect wheelbase, which they absolutely do not. If the forged versions do have a longer wheelbase it's probably close to the reason the dude above said. I have measured Indy cast and Indy forged on the same deck and the wheelbases measured the exact same (not Ventures, I know).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on June 13, 2019, 08:03:57 AM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on June 13, 2019, 12:10:02 AM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on June 12, 2019, 09:26:49 PM
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Quote from: Fifty8mm on June 12, 2019, 06:21:17 PM
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so has anybody noticed that the mounting holes on the venture high and forged high are different? the forged have the holes more back pushing the baseplate foward. the standard have them more foward pushing the baseplate back. weird as fuck.
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perhaps...perhapsss they shortened the wheelbase just a tad bit to make up for the lower sitting axle so they would turn the same, idk
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the longer one is the shorter one. The thinner baseplate makes the wheelbase longer.

that explains why i felt like the casted baseplate ventures turned better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on June 13, 2019, 08:11:54 AM
Quote from: Dustwardprez on June 12, 2019, 09:58:14 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on June 12, 2019, 09:16:38 PM
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Im in a rotten mood so I’m gonna sex pistol whip you in the face with my massive hairy veiny keyboard.

It’s pathetic that people keep complaining about their wheels touching the ledge because of the thunder baseplate. Go faster try harder Get harder wheels. 

The problem is you not the truck. You’re spreading FAKE NEWS

8.25 venture or worse a fucking 6.0? The thought of that is disgraceful to the venture legacy.

Every shop I go to has a surplus of 8” venture lows covered in dust. They barely sell. It’s also the most returned truck.

People buy them set them up roll around for an hr or two take them off debate on whether they’re scratched too much to swap them for thunders at their shop.

Go to your shop and ask for an axle but.

If there are no loose ones they will give you one off a Venture if they like you.

8.25 will be the same results now that skate park culture is taking over street skating again.

Overproduction of unnecessary shit.

I know most of you truck nerds have a set of venture lows sitting in a box at home that are basically brand new.

I haven’t tried the venture high so I can’t speak on that. Feel free to prove me wrong
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you do realize that venture made 8.75 trucks before they made 7.75 trucks, right?

(http://blacklabelskates.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Cardiel_Thrasher_71992-615x437.jpg)
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I’m only fucking around. Except the go faster try harder but.
I don’t care what trucks people ride. Well maybe in the early days based upon other kids not pro teams.

I disliked the venture kids in my town. I had been skating alone mostly. On the Indy 2 that I got handed down to me by the original skate crew in town. It was old gear so I got kooked by the new wave of NWA fan boys who didn’t like punks.

Circle A boards and Venture was out. Those kids sucked and whatever they were riding I was not. Later the venture thing took off in the city I was doing my own thing.
One day many many years later
Dan Zzzzig Zag-of-ski ked. His parents bought him some venture feather lights. He was always getting new shit. I remember all that stuff from the 80s and that old feeling back. I said let me try.

They didn’t turn haha. I felt hella Awake because if a car comes I’m getting run over.

The older kids in the 80s their ventures turned looked like an indy. I admit it’s definitely the best looking truck
any one who loved world and blind-girl etc
Kalis Stevie was riding Indy.

I know who was riding them professionally. I didn’t care. I never had new shit as a kid till
I the T4s. That truck was the shit in my mind. Turning was good the board flipped and spun. Why would I change from thunders.

I remember seeing some interview on YouTube with a venture rider.
PJ said something to the effect of why would you change trucks after your good. People don’t do that.

I ride ace trucks. Most of the lifers I know ride ace trucks. I still flip and spin my board.

I’m in a bad mood and I feel like being the mean ranting truck nerd rn.

If you read all of this I’m shocked and you rule and may also need medical help

Please keep going. The truck thread needs more of this/ you. Also I love the PigPen Crass signature.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 13, 2019, 08:16:30 AM
Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on June 13, 2019, 08:11:54 AM
Quote from: Dustwardprez on June 12, 2019, 09:58:14 PM
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Quote from: BMCsteve on June 12, 2019, 09:16:38 PM
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Quote from: Dustwardprez on June 12, 2019, 02:30:29 PM
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Im in a rotten mood so I’m gonna sex pistol whip you in the face with my massive hairy veiny keyboard.

It’s pathetic that people keep complaining about their wheels touching the ledge because of the thunder baseplate. Go faster try harder Get harder wheels. 

The problem is you not the truck. You’re spreading FAKE NEWS

8.25 venture or worse a fucking 6.0? The thought of that is disgraceful to the venture legacy.

Every shop I go to has a surplus of 8” venture lows covered in dust. They barely sell. It’s also the most returned truck.

People buy them set them up roll around for an hr or two take them off debate on whether they’re scratched too much to swap them for thunders at their shop.

Go to your shop and ask for an axle but.

If there are no loose ones they will give you one off a Venture if they like you.

8.25 will be the same results now that skate park culture is taking over street skating again.

Overproduction of unnecessary shit.

I know most of you truck nerds have a set of venture lows sitting in a box at home that are basically brand new.

I haven’t tried the venture high so I can’t speak on that. Feel free to prove me wrong
[close]

you do realize that venture made 8.75 trucks before they made 7.75 trucks, right?

(http://blacklabelskates.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Cardiel_Thrasher_71992-615x437.jpg)
[close]

I’m only fucking around. Except the go faster try harder but.
I don’t care what trucks people ride. Well maybe in the early days based upon other kids not pro teams.

I disliked the venture kids in my town. I had been skating alone mostly. On the Indy 2 that I got handed down to me by the original skate crew in town. It was old gear so I got kooked by the new wave of NWA fan boys who didn’t like punks.

Circle A boards and Venture was out. Those kids sucked and whatever they were riding I was not. Later the venture thing took off in the city I was doing my own thing.
One day many many years later
Dan Zzzzig Zag-of-ski ked. His parents bought him some venture feather lights. He was always getting new shit. I remember all that stuff from the 80s and that old feeling back. I said let me try.

They didn’t turn haha. I felt hella Awake because if a car comes I’m getting run over.

The older kids in the 80s their ventures turned looked like an indy. I admit it’s definitely the best looking truck
any one who loved world and blind-girl etc
Kalis Stevie was riding Indy.

I know who was riding them professionally. I didn’t care. I never had new shit as a kid till
I the T4s. That truck was the shit in my mind. Turning was good the board flipped and spun. Why would I change from thunders.

I remember seeing some interview on YouTube with a venture rider.
PJ said something to the effect of why would you change trucks after your good. People don’t do that.

I ride ace trucks. Most of the lifers I know ride ace trucks. I still flip and spin my board.

I’m in a bad mood and I feel like being the mean ranting truck nerd rn.

If you read all of this I’m shocked and you rule and may also need medical help
[close]

Please keep going. The truck thread needs more of this/ you. Also I love the PigPen Crass signature.

No, no it doesn't. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on June 13, 2019, 08:18:16 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on June 13, 2019, 08:16:30 AM
Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on June 13, 2019, 08:11:54 AM
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Quote from: Dustwardprez on June 12, 2019, 09:58:14 PM
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Quote from: BMCsteve on June 12, 2019, 09:16:38 PM
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Quote from: Dustwardprez on June 12, 2019, 02:30:29 PM
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Im in a rotten mood so I’m gonna sex pistol whip you in the face with my massive hairy veiny keyboard.

It’s pathetic that people keep complaining about their wheels touching the ledge because of the thunder baseplate. Go faster try harder Get harder wheels. 

The problem is you not the truck. You’re spreading FAKE NEWS

8.25 venture or worse a fucking 6.0? The thought of that is disgraceful to the venture legacy.

Every shop I go to has a surplus of 8” venture lows covered in dust. They barely sell. It’s also the most returned truck.

People buy them set them up roll around for an hr or two take them off debate on whether they’re scratched too much to swap them for thunders at their shop.

Go to your shop and ask for an axle but.

If there are no loose ones they will give you one off a Venture if they like you.

8.25 will be the same results now that skate park culture is taking over street skating again.

Overproduction of unnecessary shit.

I know most of you truck nerds have a set of venture lows sitting in a box at home that are basically brand new.

I haven’t tried the venture high so I can’t speak on that. Feel free to prove me wrong
[close]

you do realize that venture made 8.75 trucks before they made 7.75 trucks, right?

(http://blacklabelskates.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Cardiel_Thrasher_71992-615x437.jpg)
[close]

I’m only fucking around. Except the go faster try harder but.
I don’t care what trucks people ride. Well maybe in the early days based upon other kids not pro teams.

I disliked the venture kids in my town. I had been skating alone mostly. On the Indy 2 that I got handed down to me by the original skate crew in town. It was old gear so I got kooked by the new wave of NWA fan boys who didn’t like punks.

Circle A boards and Venture was out. Those kids sucked and whatever they were riding I was not. Later the venture thing took off in the city I was doing my own thing.
One day many many years later
Dan Zzzzig Zag-of-ski ked. His parents bought him some venture feather lights. He was always getting new shit. I remember all that stuff from the 80s and that old feeling back. I said let me try.

They didn’t turn haha. I felt hella Awake because if a car comes I’m getting run over.

The older kids in the 80s their ventures turned looked like an indy. I admit it’s definitely the best looking truck
any one who loved world and blind-girl etc
Kalis Stevie was riding Indy.

I know who was riding them professionally. I didn’t care. I never had new shit as a kid till
I the T4s. That truck was the shit in my mind. Turning was good the board flipped and spun. Why would I change from thunders.

I remember seeing some interview on YouTube with a venture rider.
PJ said something to the effect of why would you change trucks after your good. People don’t do that.

I ride ace trucks. Most of the lifers I know ride ace trucks. I still flip and spin my board.

I’m in a bad mood and I feel like being the mean ranting truck nerd rn.

If you read all of this I’m shocked and you rule and may also need medical help
[close]

Please keep going. The truck thread needs more of this/ you. Also I love the PigPen Crass signature.
[close]

No, no it doesn't.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on June 13, 2019, 08:21:39 AM
Yes it does. Its way more interesting hearing little truck gang anecdotes than how baseplate thickness influences wheelbase.

Venture kids vs Indy kids. Let's fight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on June 13, 2019, 08:24:18 AM
Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on June 13, 2019, 08:21:39 AM
Yes it does. Its way more interesting hearing little truck gang anecdotes than how baseplate thickness influences wheelbase.

Venture kids vs Indy kids. Let's fight.

As long as we can all agree that Ace's suck I'm on board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on June 13, 2019, 08:40:20 AM
Quote from: arrbee on June 13, 2019, 08:24:18 AM
Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on June 13, 2019, 08:21:39 AM
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Yes it does. Its way more interesting hearing little truck gang anecdotes than how baseplate thickness influences wheelbase.

Venture kids vs Indy kids. Let's fight.
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As long as we can all agree that Ace's suck I'm on board.
(https://i.imgur.com/PB8i7p8l.jpg)
i really like my destructos
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on June 13, 2019, 08:59:46 AM
Quote from: TwisT on June 13, 2019, 08:40:20 AM
Quote from: arrbee on June 13, 2019, 08:24:18 AM
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Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on June 13, 2019, 08:21:39 AM
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Yes it does. Its way more interesting hearing little truck gang anecdotes than how baseplate thickness influences wheelbase.

Venture kids vs Indy kids. Let's fight.
[close]

As long as we can all agree that Ace's suck I'm on board.
[close]
(https://i.imgur.com/PB8i7p8l.jpg)
i really like my destructos

This is sick, I see you with the subliminal message. Thunder guy myself, considering the switch to Venture.

Just like stirring the shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on June 13, 2019, 09:11:35 AM
Venture suck. Thunder is the best, f the rest. Grind King is the bestest. Shalom
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on June 13, 2019, 09:50:10 AM
Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on June 13, 2019, 08:21:39 AM
Yes it does. Its way more interesting hearing little truck gang anecdotes than how baseplate thickness influences wheelbase.

Venture kids vs Indy kids. Let's fight.

lmao perhaps i was thinking in terms of how much it can turn before you get wheelbite, but go on
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on June 13, 2019, 11:09:24 AM
the kingpin is at the same angle but a couple of more MM foward. The baseplate as a whole is more foward. I cruise more comfortable with the forged. Manuel better with the standard.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y06J2nvX/20190613-110105.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xNdstPyH)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on June 13, 2019, 12:50:52 PM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on June 13, 2019, 11:09:24 AM
the kingpin is at the same angle but a couple of more MM foward. The baseplate as a whole is more foward. I cruise more comfortable with the forged. Manuel better with the standard.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y06J2nvX/20190613-110105.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xNdstPyH)

That's interesting, and kind of fucked. Again that's not on account of the baseplate thickness but being yoked out because of where the mounting holes are.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 13, 2019, 01:15:50 PM
I'm liking this....this thread has lacked some serious venture talk.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 13, 2019, 01:42:05 PM
Quote from: palelight on June 13, 2019, 12:50:52 PM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on June 13, 2019, 11:09:24 AM
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the kingpin is at the same angle but a couple of more MM foward. The baseplate as a whole is more foward. I cruise more comfortable with the forged. Manuel better with the standard.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y06J2nvX/20190613-110105.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xNdstPyH)
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That's interesting, and kind of fucked. Again that's not on account of the baseplate thickness but being yoked out because of where the mounting holes are.

This pic confuses me for some reason on some Escher shit.

But am interested in this
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on June 13, 2019, 02:02:32 PM
That shit all looks the same to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on June 13, 2019, 02:25:06 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/cJPPNgx4/15604607484235725137303449156397.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wtcwXBRS)

better picture.
they both ride fine but I had re-adjust going back to cast, were as going from cast to forged I did not have to adjust. just tighten a little since I'm riding 58s on em.

Edit: they both turn fine. surprised they do but I get a ton of wheelbite since I'm riding 58s. I wheelbite with any truck riding 58s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on June 13, 2019, 02:41:57 PM
Every single dude at my local who was all about Indy is now on Venture. I then drive to Atlas and every dude there and all the locals that came by the shop were on Venture as well. Venture is somehow blowing up. I dunno what their marketing is, but it seems to be working.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on June 13, 2019, 02:43:39 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on June 13, 2019, 02:41:57 PM
Every single dude at my local who was all about Indy is now on Venture. I then drive to Atlas and every dude there and all the locals that came by the shop were on Venture as well. Venture is somehow blowing up. I dunno what their marketing is, but it seems to be working.

DLX. There’s a reason they’ve been around so long
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on June 13, 2019, 02:59:59 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on June 13, 2019, 02:41:57 PM
Every single dude at my local who was all about Indy is now on Venture. I then drive to Atlas and every dude there and all the locals that came by the shop were on Venture as well. Venture is somehow blowing up. I dunno what their marketing is, but it seems to be working.

I don't think Indy's recent edits over the last year have done them too many favours. Even some 9-Club guests were roasting how whack they are (Shimizu or Yansura? Can't remember). Couple that with the juggalo-like antics that someone else pointed out in the Rip Ride thread... it makes sense. Venture/Thunder have a pretty unfuckwithable pedigree, and DLX don't mind casting a wide net with their appeal rather than just "Indy. Hell Ride...*smashes a bottle.*"

I mean, would you rather watch Evan Smith ramble about 'fuck the rest' or Bobby slay Pulaski for 5 straight minutes.   

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 13, 2019, 10:26:17 PM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on June 13, 2019, 02:25:06 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/cJPPNgx4/15604607484235725137303449156397.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wtcwXBRS)

better picture.
they both ride fine but I had re-adjust going back to cast, were as going from cast to forged I did not have to adjust. just tighten a little since I'm riding 58s on em.

Edit: they both turn fine. surprised they do but I get a ton of wheelbite since I'm riding 58s. I wheelbite with any truck riding 58s.

Which do you like better?
I wonder if the lo is like this....
I have some 5.8s, cast. I was surprised with how light they felt. Turn was slower, not bad. I’m just a wimp and have a hard time skating 8.5 trucks. They seemed a little narrower than 149s. In my head maybe
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Complements4U on June 13, 2019, 10:38:17 PM
There's no difference between a lo and hi venture baseplate same baseplates on both so definitely same deal with the wb
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on June 13, 2019, 11:59:17 PM
Quote from: Dog the Bounty Hunter on June 13, 2019, 02:02:32 PM
That shit all looks the same to me.

Lol. Right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 14, 2019, 04:54:44 AM
Quote from: Complements4U on June 13, 2019, 10:38:17 PM
There's no difference between a lo and hi venture baseplate same baseplates on both so definitely same deal with the wb

Yeah, it is all in the hangers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on June 14, 2019, 06:44:17 AM
Quote from: Ok on June 13, 2019, 10:26:17 PM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on June 13, 2019, 02:25:06 PM
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(http://https:/mg.cc/cJPPNgx4/15604607484235725137303449156397.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wtcwXBRS)

better picture.
they both ride fine but I had re-adjust going back to cast, were as going from cast to forged I did not have to adjust. just tighten a little since I'm riding 58s on em.

Edit: they both turn fine. surprised they do but I get a ton of wheelbite since I'm riding 58s. I wheelbite with any truck riding 58s.
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Which do you like better?
I wonder if the lo is like this....
I have some 5.8s, cast. I was surprised with how light they felt. Turn was slower, not bad. I’m just a wimp and have a hard time skating 8.5 trucks. They seemed a little narrower than 149s. In my head maybe

prefer forged even though wheelbite occurs more.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dustwardprez on June 14, 2019, 10:15:32 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on June 14, 2019, 04:54:44 AM
Quote from: Complements4U on June 13, 2019, 10:38:17 PM
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There's no difference between a lo and hi venture baseplate same baseplates on both so definitely same deal with the wb
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That’s what I think too.
The central kingpin may make the difference minimal though.

Yeah, it is all in the hangers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on June 14, 2019, 11:05:09 AM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on June 13, 2019, 02:25:06 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/cJPPNgx4/15604607484235725137303449156397.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wtcwXBRS)

better picture.
they both ride fine but I had re-adjust going back to cast, were as going from cast to forged I did not have to adjust. just tighten a little since I'm riding 58s on em.

Edit: they both turn fine. surprised they do but I get a ton of wheelbite since I'm riding 58s. I wheelbite with any truck riding 58s.
The kingpin and bolt holes look the same to me. It’s just that the baseplate is longer one way or another on each one. That’s not going to affect wheelbase or turning 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on June 14, 2019, 02:53:06 PM
You could set them both on a deck, next to each other with bolts through the holes and then bump a ruler into the kingpins which will help magnify the difference and make it easier to see.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on June 14, 2019, 03:33:04 PM
last ones I promise.
I just think to see the difference in the kingpin you have to have them both on hand
(https://i.postimg.cc/dksBpNB3/20190614-141247.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dksBpNB3)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jWQc8YyB/20190614-152707.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jWQc8YyB)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on June 14, 2019, 04:55:43 PM
Just scooped the Worrest Ventures. 5.8. Been on Thunders for like 10 years, siting them up once my current deck dies
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: full of jerks on June 14, 2019, 05:44:25 PM
That little extra V is cute.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on June 14, 2019, 07:04:54 PM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on June 14, 2019, 03:33:04 PM
last ones I promise.
I just think to see the difference in the kingpin you have to have them both on hand
(https://i.postimg.cc/dksBpNB3/20190614-141247.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dksBpNB3)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jWQc8YyB/20190614-152707.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jWQc8YyB)

For sure the forged plates would extend the wheelbase more than the cast, that's a pretty definitive pic. Definitely on account of a redesign rather than just the thinness of the baseplate itself. Very interesting, Indy and Thunder forged plates are still line with the cast plates as far as wheelbase goes.

I do remember that chart that was floating around on some dude's blog, he said the forged Ventures extended further than the cast, but provided no pictures so I thought it was horseshit. But I was wrong, much obliged for the photo comparisons.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on June 15, 2019, 06:56:51 AM
I ordered a set of venture 5.25 lows as curiosity got the better of me.. I'll report back once I skate them. If i hate them, throwing the 5.25 highs back on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on June 15, 2019, 11:42:19 AM
Ok, I can see the difference. Weird. I don’t think it matters though, if it’s a design difference or a defect. All I know is that I have v lights on one board and raws on another, and I don’t notice a difference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on June 15, 2019, 01:09:19 PM
Quote from: Dog the Bounty Hunter on June 15, 2019, 11:42:19 AM
Ok, I can see the difference. Weird. I don’t think it matters though, if it’s a design difference or a defect. All I know is that I have v lights on one board and raws on another, and I don’t notice a difference.

i have two sets of forged and two sets of cast. same thing as well.

I could feel it a bit. With the forged I feel like i could rest my back foot on the tail more and be more careless in my foot positioning. but I threw on the cast plates and if i get too comfortable my front wheels start to pick up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SneakySecrets on June 15, 2019, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: skatefresh on June 15, 2019, 06:56:51 AM
I ordered a set of venture 5.25 lows as curiosity got the better of me.. I'll report back once I skate them. If i hate them, throwing the 5.25 highs back on.

They’re a great truck, just wish there was a little more kingpin clearance.

I just ordered the new 5.6’s because I’m mentally ill and am trying to fill the empty void which once contained my soul with new trucks that I don’t need.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on June 15, 2019, 03:48:07 PM
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I ordered a set of venture 5.25 lows as curiosity got the better of me.. I'll report back once I skate them. If i hate them, throwing the 5.25 highs back on.
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They’re a great truck, just wish there was a little more kingpin clearance.

I just ordered the new 5.6’s because I’m mentally ill and am trying to fill the empty void which once contained my soul with new trucks that I don’t need.
I've been skating the 5.25 highs for the past year and half or so. The regular ones and the v lights. I love them, but I am curious if the lows would make fliptricks a bit easier with less ghost pop. The last lows I had were thunders 11 years ago. The damn kingpin stuck out above the hangar.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 16, 2019, 01:09:32 AM
Quote from: SneakySecrets on June 15, 2019, 03:15:24 PM
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I ordered a set of venture 5.25 lows as curiosity got the better of me.. I'll report back once I skate them. If i hate them, throwing the 5.25 highs back on.
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They’re a great truck, just wish there was a little more kingpin clearance.

I just ordered the new 5.6’s because I’m mentally ill and am trying to fill the empty void which once contained my soul with new trucks that I don’t need.

True true


Me too
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on June 17, 2019, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: arrbee on June 14, 2019, 04:55:43 PM
Just scooped the Worrest Ventures. 5.8. Been on Thunders for like 10 years, siting them up once my current deck dies

Give us an update when you get a couple sessions in, been waiting for a good breakdown. Also been meaning to say big-ups to you for the Tired Hands pic - best brewery out by a long shot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on June 17, 2019, 12:15:24 PM
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Just scooped the Worrest Ventures. 5.8. Been on Thunders for like 10 years, setting them up once my current deck dies
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Give us an update when you get a couple sessions in, been waiting for a good breakdown. Also been meaning to say big-ups to you for the Tired Hands pic - best brewery out by a long shot.

Word will do. I think I’m gonna run the stock bushings for a few sessions too. I usually run bones mediums.

Love TH I feel a bit jaded I only live about 25 minutes from them. Used to hit them weekly but got a little burnt (and fat). Recently started getting back out there when they put out the ones I like. If you want beer trades let me know. Unless you are also close, or a PA resident. They do in state delivery now which was great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on June 19, 2019, 10:25:13 PM
Does it bother anyone else when they tighten their trucks exactly the same and one appears more tight because of the way the kingpin is machined?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 20, 2019, 04:12:50 AM
Quote from: skatefresh on June 19, 2019, 10:25:13 PM
Does it bother anyone else when they tighten their trucks exactly the same and one appears more tight because of the way the kingpin is machined?

Yes, it absolutely does.  I was almost positive that I was the only person insane enough to care about something like that  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on June 20, 2019, 09:14:27 AM
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Does it bother anyone else when they tighten their trucks exactly the same and one appears more tight because of the way the kingpin is machined?
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Yes, it absolutely does.  I was almost positive that I was the only person insane enough to care about something like that  :)
It always looks like one truck is more flush. Drives me crazy.. 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 20, 2019, 12:10:17 PM
What about axels not being uniform, one side longer than the other!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on June 20, 2019, 12:50:16 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 20, 2019, 12:10:17 PM
What about axels not being uniform, one side longer than the other!
Don't you put that evil on me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on June 20, 2019, 12:51:48 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 20, 2019, 12:10:17 PM
What about axels not being uniform, one side longer than the other!

This is the one that gets me, I like to have my axle nut flush with the threads sometimes you get a set that needs 2 washers on one side and 3 on the other on the inside of the wheel
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: antiwaxxer on June 20, 2019, 01:15:44 PM
Quote from: arrbee on June 20, 2019, 12:51:48 PM
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What about axels not being uniform, one side longer than the other!
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This is the one that gets me, I like to have my axle nut flush with the threads sometimes you get a set that needs 2 washers on one side and 3 on the other on the inside of the wheel

I ordered Thunder titanium trucks and they looked bent. So I put the hanger off and put it into a driller. Fixated the driller. And what do I see, the axle is not straight at all. The tip is moving sideways depicting a circle when you drill. I double checked the driller with a straight metal rod, which did not move sideways, no circling round.

Then I ordered several pairs of hollow lights to choose the most straight trucks from. With the hollows you can check quickly just looking through them, preferably from a one or two meters distance. The smaller the hole you see, the more bent they are.

I found the following on the net explaining how axle production puts out bent axles as a normal product, has to do with manufacturing processes.
https://www.reddit.com/r/longboarding/comments/wt9y3/why_do_paris_trucks_come_prebent/

I sent the crooked thunders back and kept the most straight ones. I bet other brands have bent axles as well. Not sure even if it's alright to fan the madness with this episode.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on June 20, 2019, 01:25:47 PM
Quote from: antiwaxxer on June 20, 2019, 01:15:44 PM
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What about axels not being uniform, one side longer than the other!
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This is the one that gets me, I like to have my axle nut flush with the threads sometimes you get a set that needs 2 washers on one side and 3 on the other on the inside of the wheel
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I ordered Thunder titanium trucks and they looked bent. So I put the hanger off and put it into a driller. Fixated the driller. And what do I see, the axle is not straight at all. The tip is moving sideways depicting a circle when you drill. I double checked the driller with a straight metal rod, which did not move sideways, no circling round.

Then I ordered several pairs of hollow lights to choose the most straight trucks from. With the hollows you can check quickly just looking through them, preferably from a one or two meters distance. The smaller the hole you see, the more bent they are.

I found the following on the net explaining how axle production puts out bent axles as a normal product, has to do with manufacturing processes.
https://www.reddit.com/r/longboarding/comments/wt9y3/why_do_paris_trucks_come_prebent/

I sent the crooked thunders back and kept the most straight ones. I bet other brands have bent axles as well. Not sure even if it's alright to fan the madness with this episode.

I think you just ruined trucks for me, I will never find a set I am satisfied with after reading this
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: antiwaxxer on June 20, 2019, 01:33:10 PM
Quote from: arrbee on June 20, 2019, 01:25:47 PM
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What about axels not being uniform, one side longer than the other!
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This is the one that gets me, I like to have my axle nut flush with the threads sometimes you get a set that needs 2 washers on one side and 3 on the other on the inside of the wheel
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I ordered Thunder titanium trucks and they looked bent. So I put the hanger off and put it into a driller. Fixated the driller. And what do I see, the axle is not straight at all. The tip is moving sideways depicting a circle when you drill. I double checked the driller with a straight metal rod, which did not move sideways, no circling round.

Then I ordered several pairs of hollow lights to choose the most straight trucks from. With the hollows you can check quickly just looking through them, preferably from a one or two meters distance. The smaller the hole you see, the more bent they are.

I found the following on the net explaining how axle production puts out bent axles as a normal product, has to do with manufacturing processes.
https://www.reddit.com/r/longboarding/comments/wt9y3/why_do_paris_trucks_come_prebent/

I sent the crooked thunders back and kept the most straight ones. I bet other brands have bent axles as well. Not sure even if it's alright to fan the madness with this episode.
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I think you just ruined trucks for me, I will never find a set I am satisfied with after reading this

I am truly not happy about this and thought about keeping it a secret even. I was horrified at the sight of my brandnew titanium axles rotating. It stung. Before that I stared them down for days and measured them (you would need special equipment to successfully measure this small of differences as trucks are always bent on the bushing center as well, it's not easy) while waiting for my deck to arrive. Until I found the way with the driller and the horror was immeasurable.

I almost thought about taking my driller to a skateshop making a fool of myself, so no. The hollow lets you "measure" the bent quite well though and minimize the horror.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 20, 2019, 01:45:31 PM
Quote from: arrbee on June 20, 2019, 12:51:48 PM
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What about axels not being uniform, one side longer than the other!
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This is the one that gets me, I like to have my axle nut flush with the threads sometimes you get a set that needs 2 washers on one side and 3 on the other on the inside of the wheel

I'm blessed in that I power primo my flip tricks regularly and that even's things up good. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 20, 2019, 10:18:15 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 20, 2019, 01:45:31 PM
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What about axels not being uniform, one side longer than the other!
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This is the one that gets me, I like to have my axle nut flush with the threads sometimes you get a set that needs 2 washers on one side and 3 on the other on the inside of the wheel
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I'm blessed in that I power primo my flip tricks regularly and that even's things up good.

Nice I hope that works for me too cause mannnn oh mannn

I’m loving my 8-8.12 setup with some standard cast Indy 144 but the back truck has uneven axle so on one side the axle nut is flush but the other side there’s almost 2-3 threads like cmonnnnn now one side is gonna get mashed and needs re threading while the other side is just right

It’s so crazy to me for some reason my hate for Indy was how tippy they felt cause of the height but oddly they feel like a mid having 144 on an 8/8.12 and I Love it so much

And they’re full on cast height at 55mm but they feel like 53/52mm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 20, 2019, 11:02:36 PM
you guys see what Ben Degros posted?  Blasphemy.....he's prolly right, or even if he's not....there very well could be a case for letting those big ole nuts just hang out but.....I'm not havin it...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on June 20, 2019, 11:45:33 PM
Just tried Ace 55 on a 8.5
I hated it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 21, 2019, 02:16:26 AM
the state of my axle nuts would send some of you into overdrive - multiple hammerings, supergluings and general fuckery thats probably detrimental to the life of the trucks  :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on June 21, 2019, 04:29:10 AM
Quote from: moonordie on June 20, 2019, 11:45:33 PM
Just tried Ace 55 on a 8.5
I hated it.

Was just thinking about this setup. What did you hate about it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on June 21, 2019, 04:57:37 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on June 21, 2019, 02:16:26 AM
the state of my axle nuts would send some of you into overdrive - multiple hammerings, supergluings and general fuckery thats probably detrimental to the life of the trucks  :D

I recently invested in one of those tools with the re threader and a pack of 50 axle nuts from SkateOne. It has made a world of difference, especially since the set of truck I just decommissioned had the hollow axle(found these stripped or got mangled far easier than solid). I was able to swap wheels, clean bearings so much easier knowing the nut would go back on. Previously I would ride wheels far to long and ride broken bearings cause I didn't feel like dealing with the one or two nuts I knew would be stripped.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 21, 2019, 07:53:10 AM
I bought a tap and die kit too to repair a kingpin I tried to hammer out (didn't understand cast vs. Forged at the time). Buying a bunch of spare nuts is a good idea.  I just bought a box of 7/8 shortys because I deserve it.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on June 21, 2019, 10:06:13 AM
Anyone have an update on the Venture performance vs. marketing hype?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 21, 2019, 10:25:17 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on June 21, 2019, 10:06:13 AM
Anyone have an update on the Venture performance vs. marketing hype?

Most stable trucks on the market, turn isn't as deep as Indy/Ace and not as quick as thunder but you get less wheel bite.  Very low kingpins if you do a lot of smith/feebles, great for ledges and manny pads but can still hold their own on transition.

that's about all you need to know
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on June 21, 2019, 10:26:03 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on June 21, 2019, 10:06:13 AM
Anyone have an update on the Venture performance vs. marketing hype?

Whats their marketing hype consist of? They have a sick team and their tag line is "the only trucks that matter"

They aren't making any claims to anything with that. I just setup some Bobby W. highs that I'm going to skate for the first time today after work. As far as I can see they look and feel like the ventures I rode in the early 2000's

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 21, 2019, 10:59:39 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 20, 2019, 01:45:31 PM
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What about axels not being uniform, one side longer than the other!
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This is the one that gets me, I like to have my axle nut flush with the threads sometimes you get a set that needs 2 washers on one side and 3 on the other on the inside of the wheel
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I'm blessed in that I power primo my flip tricks regularly and that even's things up good.


This. I get the obsessing about equipment, I hate my setup, and it’s all fairly new. The tripping on manufacture imperfections, outside of extreme board warpage at time of purchase, has never really gotten to me. One of my favorite decks was a Bianca board and I’m pretty sure the truck holes were crooked.
I’m just gonna smash my setup into the ground a ton of times, it’ll all workout/come out in the wash. If you skate it long enough, it’ll wear in, in a way that works. People that skate super fast can’t fake the funk with contrived style. Skate your shit for along time and the madness starts to fall away.



I still switch my shit up doe
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on June 21, 2019, 01:04:49 PM
Quote from: arrbee on June 21, 2019, 10:26:03 AM
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Anyone have an update on the Venture performance vs. marketing hype?
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Whats their marketing hype consist of? They have a sick team and their tag line is "the only trucks that matter"

They aren't making any claims to anything with that. I just setup some Bobby W. highs that I'm going to skate for the first time today after work. As far as I can see they look and feel like the ventures I rode in the early 2000's

They've put a lot of effort into getting reps to hand out free prod to local shops and plug the whole "we're still made in the USA" thing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on June 21, 2019, 01:48:00 PM
Quote from: palelight on June 21, 2019, 04:29:10 AM
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Just tried Ace 55 on a 8.5
I hated it.
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Was just thinking about this setup. What did you hate about it?

I did this too. A bit too heavy, threw off my flatground, and a lot of grinds felt a bit weird too. The one really noticeable upside was back 5050s on round rails, never missed haha. 44s still felt more natural to me on 8.5s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on June 21, 2019, 05:02:43 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on June 21, 2019, 01:04:49 PM
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Anyone have an update on the Venture performance vs. marketing hype?
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Whats their marketing hype consist of? They have a sick team and their tag line is "the only trucks that matter"

They aren't making any claims to anything with that. I just setup some Bobby W. highs that I'm going to skate for the first time today after work. As far as I can see they look and feel like the ventures I rode in the early 2000's
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They've put a lot of effort into getting reps to hand out free prod to local shops and plug the whole "we're still made in the USA" thing.

Just skated mine after 10 plus years of thunder and had a great session. Trucks felt stable. Reacted the way I wanted them too. Turned great. Significantly less wheel bite. If nothing else I feel like they aren’t doing enough. I’m sold. I’ll be on venture for the foreseeable
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on June 21, 2019, 06:12:56 PM
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Just tried Ace 55 on a 8.5
I hated it.
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Was just thinking about this setup. What did you hate about it?
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I did this too. A bit too heavy, threw off my flatground, and a lot of grinds felt a bit weird too. The one really noticeable upside was back 5050s on round rails, never missed haha. 44s still felt more natural to me on 8.5s.
I think it also depends on the deck. FA 8.5s are way more full than other 8.5s. I tried 159s on a bbs 8.5 Hockey and hated it. I just setup 55s on a FA 8.5 and I liked it a lot. Flip tricks worked fine, felt super stable and still surfy. My only gripe is the weight. My legs were tired after the sesh. As opposed to today, I skated a 8.38 FA on my venture 5.8s. It felt so stable at first it was weird. But after the grip tape broke in everything was working like normal. Even landed a couple crooked grinds that I have been struggling on for a long time. I skated way longer and harder than I did the other day on the 55 setup and my legs weren’t sore.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 22, 2019, 01:44:28 AM
^ congrats on the crooks, they've been elusive as fuck for me too but i've finally started getting a few.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 22, 2019, 07:34:00 AM
Every year I go on a crook campaign......

I had 44's on an 8.5 and felt they'd fit a a board a hair narrower ie. 8.38, even an 8.25. I have 55's set up on a shaped 9" board w. conicals and its sick....wide enough for the front but still crams into the back end of the board. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 22, 2019, 07:52:06 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 20, 2019, 11:02:36 PM
you guys see what Ben Degros posted?  Blasphemy.....he's prolly right, or even if he's not....there very well could be a case for letting those big ole nuts just hang out but.....I'm not havin it...

Didn’t see this? Which forum? I do enjoy his opinions, I don’t always agree, but it’s cool to hear the theory behind some setup ideas
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 22, 2019, 08:44:37 AM
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Just tried Ace 55 on a 8.5
I hated it.
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Was just thinking about this setup. What did you hate about it?
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I did this too. A bit too heavy, threw off my flatground, and a lot of grinds felt a bit weird too. The one really noticeable upside was back 5050s on round rails, never missed haha. 44s still felt more natural to me on 8.5s.
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I think it also depends on the deck. FA 8.5s are way more full than other 8.5s. I tried 159s on a bbs 8.5 Hockey and hated it. I just setup 55s on a FA 8.5 and I liked it a lot. Flip tricks worked fine, felt super stable and still surfy. My only gripe is the weight. My legs were tired after the sesh. As opposed to today, I skated a 8.38 FA on my venture 5.8s. It felt so stable at first it was weird. But after the grip tape broke in everything was working like normal. Even landed a couple crooked grinds that I have been struggling on for a long time. I skated way longer and harder than I did the other day on the 55 setup and my legs weren’t sore.

The heft. I love the way big boards feel under my feet, and pushing down a sidewalk and just being able to spread out and laze about re foot position is fun. Once I get to the ‘spot’ (flatground)....I hate it. Last few sessions had big wheels going and my body is still in pain. The weight of the board just crushes my will. I was doing the thing where I’d bend down to pop....and then just.....nope. Weird little hip/knee/lower leg ligaments hurt.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on June 22, 2019, 09:31:10 AM
After a lot of years I'm skating thunders again. Super happy with the swap.
Nothing like a good and trusty set of raws.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AngryBlackMan on June 22, 2019, 10:02:24 AM
 I was riding stage 11 149 hollows with the cast baseplate/hollow kingpin and my buddy hooked me up with stage 10 159 hangers.  So now I'm on a set of frankentruck 159s on an 8.5 vx deck.  I like it better for just about everything over 149s on an 8.5. I also like it better than 149s on an 8.25.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on June 22, 2019, 10:19:12 AM
Do Venture Highs get ghost pop like in Indy’s? I don’t get the big change in height between the low and High?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bristol_Palin on June 22, 2019, 01:40:31 PM
I’m neurotic enough about everything else in the world so I don’t read this thread cause I don’t think about my trucks ever, but one of my bushings I could pull off with out taking the hanger so I bought bones bushings. I bought medium and just skate them for the first time today. I will always do that for the rest of my life. I’m skating Indy’s. My next pair will probably be ventures but seriously so much better. It makes crunchy corn cornel popping sound but it’s sick.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on June 23, 2019, 12:59:32 PM
Quote from: Idk on June 22, 2019, 10:19:12 AM
Do Venture Highs get ghost pop like in Indy’s? I don’t get the big change in height between the low and High?

Well, you can get ghost pop with any trucks if you’re not popping properly. With that said though, I think Ventures have the most amazing pop ever. Something about the tipping point (probably) just generally makes the pop real nice and the boards sticks to your feet on a normal casual ollie like crazy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on June 23, 2019, 01:27:30 PM
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Do Venture Highs get ghost pop like in Indy’s? I don’t get the big change in height between the low and High?
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Well, you can get ghost pop with any trucks if you’re not popping properly. With that said though, I think Ventures have the most amazing pop ever. Something about the tipping point (probably) just generally makes the pop real nice and the boards sticks to your feet on a normal casual ollie like crazy.
My bad I think what I meant to ask was, is it easy to pop on a Venture high like say a thunder? Because I switched from Indy bc of the height and it seems like Venture highs are close to Indy height. I bought Lows they are great but I am interested if the geometry makes it feel the same for a High just less wheel bite.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on June 23, 2019, 03:37:46 PM
I can't skate indy because of ghost pop on switch and nollie flips, but liked my venture his a lot
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on June 23, 2019, 11:54:15 PM
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Do Venture Highs get ghost pop like in Indy’s? I don’t get the big change in height between the low and High?
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Well, you can get ghost pop with any trucks if you’re not popping properly. With that said though, I think Ventures have the most amazing pop ever. Something about the tipping point (probably) just generally makes the pop real nice and the boards sticks to your feet on a normal casual ollie like crazy.
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My bad I think what I meant to ask was, is it easy to pop on a Venture high like say a thunder? Because I switched from Indy bc of the height and it seems like Venture highs are close to Indy height. I bought Lows they are great but I am interested if the geometry makes it feel the same for a High just less wheel bite.

I have almost no experience with low trucks but from my limited experience with high Ventures and Thunder 149s, I’d say that despite their height, Ventures are really easy to pop. I doubt they feel the same as the lows though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 24, 2019, 08:11:43 AM
The venture highs are really high no? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Elderly Gentleman on June 24, 2019, 10:27:09 AM
I've got a question.  I had a pair of Mini Logo 8.38 trucks laying around and I put a reversed king pin in them (I had a set of grind king kingpins new in the bag that I found) just to try it out.   What do you guys recommend to lock the nut in place under the baseplate?  JB Weld, superglue, or some other thing?  I was just trying it out and I really dig the extra kingpin clearance but I don't want to have to remove my trucks to tighten or loosen it up as the bushings break in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on June 24, 2019, 11:10:04 AM
Quote from: Elderly Gentleman on June 24, 2019, 10:27:09 AM
I've got a question.  I had a pair of Mini Logo 8.38 trucks laying around and I put a reversed king pin in them (I had a set of grind king kingpins new in the bag that I found) just to try it out.   What do you guys recommend to lock the nut in place under the baseplate?  JB Weld, superglue, or some other thing?  I was just trying it out and I really dig the extra kingpin clearance but I don't want to have to remove my trucks to tighten or loosen it up as the bushings break in.

Loctite liquid super glue on the edges of the nut, then loctite gel after it dries. Wait 24 hrs for the gel to dry.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Elderly Gentleman on June 24, 2019, 11:19:16 AM
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I've got a question.  I had a pair of Mini Logo 8.38 trucks laying around and I put a reversed king pin in them (I had a set of grind king kingpins new in the bag that I found) just to try it out.   What do you guys recommend to lock the nut in place under the baseplate?  JB Weld, superglue, or some other thing?  I was just trying it out and I really dig the extra kingpin clearance but I don't want to have to remove my trucks to tighten or loosen it up as the bushings break in.
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Loctite liquid super glue on the edges of the nut, then loctite gel after it dries. Wait 24 hrs for the gel to dry.

Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on June 24, 2019, 01:20:55 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 24, 2019, 08:11:43 AM
The venture highs are really high no?

55 mm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Festivus on June 24, 2019, 02:29:42 PM
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55 mm

Venture highs with cast baseplates are 53.5mm.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on June 24, 2019, 03:12:16 PM
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The venture highs are really high no?
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55 mm
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Venture highs with cast baseplates are 53.5mm.

Quite sure they’re 55 mm like Indys and 53.5 mm with forged plates just like Indys. Don’t have any Indys to compare them with anymore but I remember them being exactly the same height.

It’s quite mind boggling that still to this date getting official dimensions for skate stuff seems almost impossible. Other than width of boards which isn’t very important anyway. :o
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on June 24, 2019, 06:57:26 PM
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The venture highs are really high no?
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55 mm
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Venture highs with cast baseplates are 53.5mm.
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Quite sure they’re 55 mm like Indys and 53.5 mm with forged plates just like Indys. Don’t have any Indys to compare them with anymore but I remember them being exactly the same height.

It’s quite mind boggling that still to this date getting official dimensions for skate stuff seems almost impossible. Other than width of boards which isn’t very important anyway. :o
The cast venture highs are 53.5mm ala stage 10 indys. The forged models are 52.5mm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: In A Jar on June 25, 2019, 09:18:48 AM
I wonder why so mean people think Venture highs are 55mm.  Maybe they were before DLX? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on June 25, 2019, 11:44:34 AM
Just measured mine and they are indeed 53ish mm high. My bad.  :-X
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: smg1138 on June 26, 2019, 12:04:33 PM
What are the best replacement bushings for Thunder Highs? Just got a new set of 149's but the stock bushings are a little squishy for my taste. I noticed they sell Thunder bushings in tubes and in rebuild kits. Is one version better than the other? I used to use Bones hards with Indy's but I don't think those are going to fit the Thunders right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on June 26, 2019, 12:11:49 PM
Quote from: smg1138 on June 26, 2019, 12:04:33 PM
What are the best replacement bushings for Thunder Highs? Just got a new set of 149's but the stock bushings are a little squishy for my taste. I noticed they sell Thunder bushings in tubes and in rebuild kits. Is one version better than the other? I used to use Bones hards with Indy's but I don't think those are going to fit the Thunders right.

Oddly enough I’m in literally the exact same boat. Got new 149 thunders to try something different. Skated them yesterday and the bushings seemed so soft. I’m coming off Indy’s with bones. I’m also 220 so everything but hards seem soft.

Ive looked on here about bushings and bones hardcores but I never found a definitive answer if they work in thunders. Secondly if they fit in thunders by forcing them  do they change the geo ? I thought I read that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Elderly Gentleman on June 26, 2019, 12:40:23 PM
I have some Thunder team High 149s and I'm a fatty (around 225) so they were a little soft with the standard bushings.  I used Bones Mediums in them for a while and they seemed to work fine for me, but everyone on here kept talking about how that screws up the angle or something so my "truck madness" kicked in and I had to take that out.  I bought the Thunder 95 rebuild kit with the blue bushings and blue hardware.  I put that on and the trucks are WAY stiffer.  I'm sure it will loosen up the more I ride them but my madness has me messing with some other trucks and crazy setups at  them moment. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on June 26, 2019, 01:31:01 PM
I weigh 255 and been skating 5.25 Titanium Ventures with stock bottom purple bushing,  red top doh dohs and Riptide pivot cups. best stability to turn ratio. Oh I also used one of those Titanium Theeve hollow kingpin. they lower the kingpin 2 or 3 mm from stock. on a 8.25 deck, planning on sizing down to 8.0
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Complements4U on June 26, 2019, 01:44:52 PM
Quote from: Murge on June 26, 2019, 12:11:49 PM
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What are the best replacement bushings for Thunder Highs? Just got a new set of 149's but the stock bushings are a little squishy for my taste. I noticed they sell Thunder bushings in tubes and in rebuild kits. Is one version better than the other? I used to use Bones hards with Indy's but I don't think those are going to fit the Thunders right.
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Oddly enough I’m in literally the exact same boat. Got new 149 thunders to try something different. Skated them yesterday and the bushings seemed so soft. I’m coming off Indy’s with bones. I’m also 220 so everything but hards seem soft.

Ive looked on here about bushings and bones hardcores but I never found a definitive answer if they work in thunders. Secondly if they fit in thunders by forcing them  do they change the geo ? I thought I read that.
The bottom bushing in a thunder bushing are a bit taller than bones. Plus when you take into account removing the washer as well as the taller bushing, the hangar sits differently. The angle it enters the pivot cup is stressful for it, it causes stress, creaking, or broken kingpins and bushings. To counteract this, always check the stock bushings and washer height, then create a combo that maintains that. So you can use the bones bushings with the black flat washer it comes with as the bottom combo. It matters less for the top bushings. Bones bushings with stock metal washers don't work very good they don't allow the bushings to work right, so in a truck like thunder where you need the bottom washer for height just use a flat one and it's all good. The thunder aftermarket ones have always been the best for me in thunders though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pauline_handsome on June 27, 2019, 04:05:50 AM
Quote from: Complements4U on June 26, 2019, 01:44:52 PM
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What are the best replacement bushings for Thunder Highs? Just got a new set of 149's but the stock bushings are a little squishy for my taste. I noticed they sell Thunder bushings in tubes and in rebuild kits. Is one version better than the other? I used to use Bones hards with Indy's but I don't think those are going to fit the Thunders right.
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Oddly enough I’m in literally the exact same boat. Got new 149 thunders to try something different. Skated them yesterday and the bushings seemed so soft. I’m coming off Indy’s with bones. I’m also 220 so everything but hards seem soft.

Ive looked on here about bushings and bones hardcores but I never found a definitive answer if they work in thunders. Secondly if they fit in thunders by forcing them  do they change the geo ? I thought I read that.
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The bottom bushing in a thunder bushing are a bit taller than bones. Plus when you take into account removing the washer as well as the taller bushing, the hangar sits differently. The angle it enters the pivot cup is stressful for it, it causes stress, creaking, or broken kingpins and bushings. To counteract this, always check the stock bushings and washer height, then create a combo that maintains that. So you can use the bones bushings with the black flat washer it comes with as the bottom combo. It matters less for the top bushings. Bones bushings with stock metal washers don't work very good they don't allow the bushings to work right, so in a truck like thunder where you need the bottom washer for height just use a flat one and it's all good. The thunder aftermarket ones have always been the best for me in thunders though.

Ah this explains a lot. Always had issues with bones bushings in older Thunders. Cheers.

Doubt I'll go back to Thunder anytime soon. Too hyped on the forged/ TI Indys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on June 27, 2019, 04:46:52 AM
For thunders I used Shorty's Doh-Doh's. They're the right size/shape and the white ones are a really nice med duro that feel really good with the kinda tight/snappy feel that I think thunders have. The Thunder stock bushings aren't bad though, I lost one of my doh-doh bottom so I ended up switching to a combo of doh-doh top and stock barrel on my one pair and liked it so much I didn't change it when I eventually found the missing bushing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on June 27, 2019, 06:24:15 AM
Thanks a lot complements4u. I really appreciate the insight.

 I’m gonna go skate after work today and see how the stock bushings feel. I really just like how bones return to center so easily.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: smg1138 on June 27, 2019, 07:12:55 AM
Quote from: pauline_handsome on June 27, 2019, 04:05:50 AM
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What are the best replacement bushings for Thunder Highs? Just got a new set of 149's but the stock bushings are a little squishy for my taste. I noticed they sell Thunder bushings in tubes and in rebuild kits. Is one version better than the other? I used to use Bones hards with Indy's but I don't think those are going to fit the Thunders right.
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Oddly enough I’m in literally the exact same boat. Got new 149 thunders to try something different. Skated them yesterday and the bushings seemed so soft. I’m coming off Indy’s with bones. I’m also 220 so everything but hards seem soft.

Ive looked on here about bushings and bones hardcores but I never found a definitive answer if they work in thunders. Secondly if they fit in thunders by forcing them  do they change the geo ? I thought I read that.
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The bottom bushing in a thunder bushing are a bit taller than bones. Plus when you take into account removing the washer as well as the taller bushing, the hangar sits differently. The angle it enters the pivot cup is stressful for it, it causes stress, creaking, or broken kingpins and bushings. To counteract this, always check the stock bushings and washer height, then create a combo that maintains that. So you can use the bones bushings with the black flat washer it comes with as the bottom combo. It matters less for the top bushings. Bones bushings with stock metal washers don't work very good they don't allow the bushings to work right, so in a truck like thunder where you need the bottom washer for height just use a flat one and it's all good. The thunder aftermarket ones have always been the best for me in thunders though.
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Ah this explains a lot. Always had issues with bones bushings in older Thunders. Cheers.

Doubt I'll go back to Thunder anytime soon. Too hyped on the forged/ TI Indys.

Have you found them worth the extra money? Looks like they're significantly lighter than the standards.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on June 27, 2019, 10:19:19 AM
Working on my house (to sell), so my madness is taking a back seat. Always on my mind though is truck/deck combos of the past. 7.5 w/ venture low 5.0, 7.63 w/ Indy 126s. Insanity
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 27, 2019, 11:01:09 AM
Quote from: fang on June 27, 2019, 10:19:19 AM
Working on my house (to sell), so my madness is taking a back seat. Always on my mind though is truck/deck combos of the past. 7.5 w/ venture low 5.0, 7.63 w/ Indy 126s. Insanity


Oh how I love transferring real world anxiety into something super meaningful like what trucks I’m going to use to suck!


Heed nothing: I have 5.0 lo, shit I have 5.0 hi. 5.0 is fucking narrow. Indy’s that narrow are psychooo. Boards that size are usually short, wb short, narrow tall trucks equal crazy tho. For me. I would like to emphasize that I don’t know shit. My current main 8.25 cuz it’s the Simon/Cory board. It’s way too big. But has a 14” wb. So it’s chill. But then I’m using ace 44s, and big ass wheels, and it’s as heavy as I am weak. So I hate it. But I landed some stuff. So maybe I don’t. I have no idea what works. None. Except MAYBE....maybe 14” wb. I’m sorry if you read this.
Buy all the shit, it doesn’t matter tho.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on June 27, 2019, 11:45:26 AM
dylan and austyn skated bones med in Thunder trucks, and I think ive seen photos of Puig running bones med in thunders as well

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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 27, 2019, 12:09:06 PM
Quote from: art hellman on June 27, 2019, 11:45:26 AM
dylan and austyn skated bones med in Thunder trucks, and I think ive seen photos of Puig running bones med in thunders as well

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Agree on seeing Lucas with em. Which throws off the idea that maybe the 149s worked with bones but not the 147. Very different trucks those two. Or maybe it’s a cast/forged thing? Or maybe they’ve always worked. Bones are rad, and I really like them in venture lows, almost everything else I, personally, just for ya’lls info on what I ride, as an authority on nothing, prefer just regular ass bushings these days.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on June 27, 2019, 02:23:53 PM
Jerry skates bones in Thunders, MJ did, Tyshawn does, loads of people do. Prob no bottom washer either. But those were mostly older versions.

That aside- how did ya'll that have multiple trucks finally settle? I've got 2 of the same deck 1 with Ventures, but it's older, and another with Thunders that is newer plus Ace's and Indy's as well as a new deck in the closet. Want to end the madness, but I seem to never really stick with anything.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Reese on June 27, 2019, 03:00:14 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on June 27, 2019, 02:23:53 PM
Jerry skates bones in Thunders, MJ did, Tyshawn does, loads of people do. Prob no bottom washer either. But those were mostly older versions.

That aside- how did ya'll that have multiple trucks finally settle? I've got 2 of the same deck 1 with Ventures, but it's older, and another with Thunders that is newer plus Ace's and Indy's as well as a new deck in the closet. Want to end the madness, but I seem to never really stick with anything.

Right now I'm using ace on a board with F4 101a's and thunders on a different board with F4 99a's.. That's the only way I can justify it. Just ride

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 27, 2019, 03:19:21 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on June 27, 2019, 02:23:53 PM
Jerry skates bones in Thunders, MJ did, Tyshawn does, loads of people do. Prob no bottom washer either. But those were mostly older versions.

That aside- how did ya'll that have multiple trucks finally settle? I've got 2 of the same deck 1 with Ventures, but it's older, and another with Thunders that is newer plus Ace's and Indy's as well as a new deck in the closet. Want to end the madness, but I seem to never really stick with anything.

I've been making myself skate just my Indys (standard 149s with aftermarket Indy blue 92a bushings).

Granted, I don't think my madness was on the level of some here...I just skated Ventures forever and felt obligated to stick with them due to a) my fetishized view of tech skating that I can't actually do, b) the fact that I'm tall and they stretch you WB, and c) the fact that they've finally become socially acceptable.

With the Indys, I just enjoy riding them more, which means a lot with my limited bag of tricks and I feel like my ollies/sw ollies/nollies pop higher. Also, the baseplate makes a very satisfying amount of contact when I'm doing noseslides on curbs and ledges.

Holding on to my ventures but I'm going to commit to skating these as long as possible.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on June 27, 2019, 04:32:44 PM
I liked using Bones mediums in my Thunders my only qualm was that the coned shape of that bottom bushing would sometimes cause me to twitch to the side on harder, slightly-offset landings. Kind of hard to describe but the heelflip I do in this line is a prime example. I’ll stomp the landing then it kinda causes me to turn out a bit. Don’t really experience it too much in the regular bushings but I noticed it a number of times with bones. Could just very well be my own experience tho, I liked how they felt in Thunders otherwise so it’s worth a shot if you’re interested

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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pauline_handsome on June 27, 2019, 05:50:28 PM
Considering going down to 144 forged Indys from 149s. Riding 8.25s exclusively.

Whats the general consensus here?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 27, 2019, 08:11:43 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on June 27, 2019, 03:19:21 PM
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Jerry skates bones in Thunders, MJ did, Tyshawn does, loads of people do. Prob no bottom washer either. But those were mostly older versions.

That aside- how did ya'll that have multiple trucks finally settle? I've got 2 of the same deck 1 with Ventures, but it's older, and another with Thunders that is newer plus Ace's and Indy's as well as a new deck in the closet. Want to end the madness, but I seem to never really stick with anything.
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I've been making myself skate just my Indys (standard 149s with aftermarket Indy blue 92a bushings).

Granted, I don't think my madness was on the level of some here...I just skated Ventures forever and felt obligated to stick with them due to a) my fetishized view of tech skating that I can't actually do, b) the fact that I'm tall and they stretch you WB, and c) the fact that they've finally become socially acceptable.

With the Indys, I just enjoy riding them more, which means a lot with my limited bag of tricks and I feel like my ollies/sw ollies/nollies pop higher. Also, the baseplate makes a very satisfying amount of contact when I'm doing noseslides on curbs and ledges.

Holding on to my ventures but I'm going to commit to skating these as long as possible.

Indy pop is real. The pop of a truck is what makes me like it first and foremost. I laughed at reason a), only because I’m very similar. I don’t try to go over tech, but I set up widely different get ups, only to immediately try kickflip, switchflip, treflip. I’ve managed to do those tricks on a 9.25, asymmetrical board, with a 15”ish wb, 33 length and 169s....but it’s kinda horrible. What I’m trying to say is I should just skate a smaller board because I don’t go fast, out or down. Just flat. Slow. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on June 28, 2019, 10:09:40 AM
For me:

-Ace on a Polar was the best pop I've ever had, second was Ace on a Quasi Proto deck, 3rd is Thunder 148 on a Generator 8.25
-Indy wheelbite the most and are the most middle ground, probably best manual'ing.
-I can't manual or tailslide for shit on Thunders.
-Thunders lock into grinds the best and grind the best overall.
-Venture are part way between Thunder and Indy. Like a tippy Thunder that doesn't quite turn. I feel I also lock into grinds super well with them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on June 28, 2019, 11:59:43 AM
Quote from: clintendo on June 08, 2019, 06:47:03 PM
Recently got the CSX Hollows from Theeve, big improvements from their last gen of trucks, the cast on the hangers is a lot more solid than the Tiax's I had before, which seems to be better for grinding. These come standard with a hollow  axle and kingpin, but I just switched the hangers to my Tiax baseplates as I was lazy to undo the deck bolts, haven't noticed the difference in weight but also went down from 6.5's to 5.85's so that could explain that.

Front truck only has standard top washer and is always tighter than the back for me, back truck only has a bones washer on top (the ones that come with most bones bushings now) so I have the rattle without all the noise that comes with it and still running riptide pivots.

(https://i.ibb.co/c1yC6yz/66-AB0-CB6-A733-4308-B84-B-0-DD400-B68-FE6.jpg)

Those look very nice. Heavily considering them for my next truck purchase. Weird question but do you know how tall are the trucks are? Saw on some old threads that people were physically measuring them to around around 52mm to the center of the axle, but Theeve says 55mm on their site. Wondering if there's still inconsistency.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crap on June 28, 2019, 12:11:10 PM
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dylan and austyn skated bones med in Thunder trucks, and I think ive seen photos of Puig running bones med in thunders as well

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Agree on seeing Lucas with em. Which throws off the idea that maybe the 149s worked with bones but not the 147. Very different trucks those two. Or maybe it’s a cast/forged thing? Or maybe they’ve always worked. Bones are rad, and I really like them in venture lows, almost everything else I, personally, just for ya’lls info on what I ride, as an authority on nothing, prefer just regular ass bushings these days.

I can't speak to any other combination, but I've run Bones hards on Thunder 147 hi (forged baseplate, no bottom washer). The geometry didn't feel drastically different, and I didn't wreck the kingpins or pivot cups. Although I didn't use them for long, because I hated the trucks overall.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank on June 28, 2019, 02:28:59 PM
anyone knows when the 5.6 ventures drop in europe?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on June 29, 2019, 03:44:04 AM
So I've skated these venture 5.25 lows a couple of times now and I'm starting to get used to them. Everyone says venture lows dont turn, but it doesn't feel that bad coming off the highs. They're super responsive for fliptricks. I used to often have tre flips where it didn't even pop, the board just scooped around. The immediate snap for tre flips and nollie flips is really nice on these. The pop feels a bit lower for regular ollies, but maybe I just need to get used to them more. I'm actually surprised how enjoyable these have been.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 29, 2019, 08:14:08 AM
Quote from: skatefresh on June 29, 2019, 03:44:04 AM
So I've skated these venture 5.25 lows a couple of times now and I'm starting to get used to them. Everyone says venture lows dont turn, but it doesn't feel that bad coming off the highs. They're super responsive for fliptricks. I used to often have tre flips where it didn't even pop, the board just scooped around. The immediate snap for tre flips and nollie flips is really nice on these. The pop feels a bit lower for regular ollies, but maybe I just need to get used to them more. I'm actually surprised how enjoyable these have been.

Totally agree. Regular bushing for flip tricks landed, bones medium or hards for surprising turn ability
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Heywoodfloyd on June 29, 2019, 11:57:16 AM
Took my 149's of my cruiser and replaced the 148's on my regular 8.25 board. Probably the smartest thing i ever done, it feels amazing, i can't belive it took me this long to figure it out. I used to ride my setups back in the 00's with the axles wider than the deck, 7.75 with 8" ventures, but never really did it with wider boards. It blows my mind that 0.25 inches makes such a difference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Switch FS K-Swiss Grind on June 29, 2019, 02:33:59 PM
Continuing the talk about washers and bones bushings
A friend of mine pointed out that the height of bones is the same as the height of the stock indy bushings, so if you remove the stock washers and just put in the single bones washer on top, you're messing with the geometry of the truck. If you have the old washers from a previous set of bones you can put them in the bottom to achieve the original geometry.
The other day i saw I'd blown out one of my bottom bushings so i was swapping it out for one from another board and thought I'd try his advice. made a crazy difference. Board felt like it was on stilts at first, but could tell from the first few tricks that it has added some pop to the board, and there's more wheel clearance so less wheelbite, and generally feels more stable. The kingpin nut doesn't screw down as far anymore tho, so you sacrifice some kingpin clearance.
Now the other board has two busted bottom bushings, no washers, and feels loose AF even with the kingpin nuts screwed right down. It's lost a bunch of pop and gets more wheelbite but it's pretty fun for a cruiser.
(fyi I'm on stage xi 149 forged TI indy's on both these boards)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on June 29, 2019, 02:57:00 PM
Quote from: Switch FS K-Swiss Grind on June 29, 2019, 02:33:59 PM
Continuing the talk about washers and bones bushings
A friend of mine pointed out that the height of bones is the same as the height of the stock indy bushings, so if you remove the stock washers and just put in the single bones washer on top, you're messing with the geometry of the truck. If you have the old washers from a previous set of bones you can put them in the bottom to achieve the original geometry.
The other day i saw I'd blown out one of my bottom bushings so i was swapping it out for one from another board and thought I'd try his advice. made a crazy difference. Board felt like it was on stilts at first, but could tell from the first few tricks that it has added some pop to the board, and there's more wheel clearance so less wheelbite, and generally feels more stable. The kingpin nut doesn't screw down as far anymore tho, so you sacrifice some kingpin clearance.
Now the other board has two busted bottom bushings, no washers, and feels loose AF even with the kingpin nuts screwed right down. It's lost a bunch of pop and gets more wheelbite but it's pretty fun for a cruiser.
(fyi I'm on stage xi 149 forged TI indy's on both these boards)

i dont see how putting a washer on the top bushing messes up with the geometry.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on June 29, 2019, 04:03:01 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on June 29, 2019, 02:57:00 PM
Quote from: Switch FS K-Swiss Grind on June 29, 2019, 02:33:59 PM
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Continuing the talk about washers and bones bushings
A friend of mine pointed out that the height of bones is the same as the height of the stock indy bushings, so if you remove the stock washers and just put in the single bones washer on top, you're messing with the geometry of the truck. If you have the old washers from a previous set of bones you can put them in the bottom to achieve the original geometry.
The other day i saw I'd blown out one of my bottom bushings so i was swapping it out for one from another board and thought I'd try his advice. made a crazy difference. Board felt like it was on stilts at first, but could tell from the first few tricks that it has added some pop to the board, and there's more wheel clearance so less wheelbite, and generally feels more stable. The kingpin nut doesn't screw down as far anymore tho, so you sacrifice some kingpin clearance.
Now the other board has two busted bottom bushings, no washers, and feels loose AF even with the kingpin nuts screwed right down. It's lost a bunch of pop and gets more wheelbite but it's pretty fun for a cruiser.
(fyi I'm on stage xi 149 forged TI indy's on both these boards)
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i dont see how putting a washer on the top bushing messes up with the geometry.
dude...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on June 29, 2019, 08:34:42 PM
So I got another sesh in today and I love these venture 5.25 lows. My fliptricks haven't felt this good in a long time. The only thing I can complain about is kingpin clearance, but with a low it's to be expected. They turn fine for me honestly. I have them set flush with stock bushings and they are super stable and I can still carve a little. Switch flips feel on point. 😊
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uD8VvIzegbY (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uD8VvIzegbY)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on June 29, 2019, 09:29:10 PM
The manual point for thunders feels really weird compared to indys
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pauline_handsome on June 29, 2019, 10:33:21 PM
Quote from: SirPizzaSlayer on June 29, 2019, 09:29:10 PM
The manual point for thunders feels really weird compared to indys

Yeah the wider WB will do that. I'm pretty over thunders now, not the quality or feel was bad at all. I just prefer the smaller WB of indys. I'm 5'10 so not very tall and found shorter WB better for manual and most flips.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bumpovertrash on June 29, 2019, 10:35:02 PM
I run the blue doh doh softs no top washer on thunder 148 tianiums been that way for a year, my trucks are pretty damn loose shake a tiny bit. The doh dohs are amazing no blowouts, tears nothing. I ran bones soft on thunders no top washer and completely exploded that shit in 2 weeks, warranted those for another pair and they did the exact same shit. Been on doh doh ever since
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 30, 2019, 03:03:43 AM
here's my super janky bushing setup born out of necessity that shockingly feels pretty good to me.

(https://i.imgur.com/sxIEL3Kl.jpg)

some super hard bushings on the bottom from a cheap set of trucks, original thunder bushings on top that are blown the fuck out, no bottom washer. with the top one being so soft and worn its loose as fuck and turns super well, but on account of the hardness of the bottom bushing it tends to stop turning before any wheelbite hits. still get it now and then and it's not an ideal setup by any means but it feels good and works for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on June 30, 2019, 08:24:03 AM
It will take you ages to take out those trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 30, 2019, 02:45:36 PM
its the worst part about setting up a new board
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Complements4U on June 30, 2019, 02:50:25 PM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on June 30, 2019, 02:45:36 PM
its the worst part about setting up a new board
Yoo I did the same thing awhile back on my thunders, hard as fuck bushings I think 100a thunder bushings, basically not usuable when I set them up. But then I tried them with no bottom washers and it felt exactly how you describe.

(https://i.postimg.cc/h4CwRTTS/IMG-20181124-005035.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/grZ4vwg5) and
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 30, 2019, 04:57:30 PM
Mmmmm imma POS cuz I thought that was a long bolt joke
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 01, 2019, 07:59:30 PM
I wonder if Indy basically released the 144 and any new Indy’s after the 144 as secretly the stage 11.5

Cause I use to hate how tippy Indy’s height felt but I can’t get off how good my 144 are on this 8.1 lurkville

The 144 don’t feel 55mm at all, they feel definitely like 53mm a good medium, I can see why people like Indy’s now cause once you get the right size dialed in they are some good trucks

I’m running them bone stock, standard 144 cast solid with stock orange cushions and they feel great
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on July 01, 2019, 08:47:56 PM
Came across this guy's axle nut preference, if anyone needs the idea:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BzBDit2lPEK/

In the comments he states they're "race car stuff".
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on July 01, 2019, 09:06:34 PM
https://www.acerracing.com/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces?variant=14347926765603&currency=USD&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3uboBRDCARIsAO2XcYANa3HuKiJYh-dqTNyietnWJDl8vQ5qbmuB6YktEd54Bu06d6nZNWUaAisPEALw_wcB
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 01, 2019, 11:45:58 PM
Quote from: rob on July 01, 2019, 07:59:30 PM
I wonder if Indy basically released the 144 and any new Indy’s after the 144 as secretly the stage 11.5

Cause I use to hate how tippy Indy’s height felt but I can’t get off how good my 144 are on this 8.1 lurkville

The 144 don’t feel 55mm at all, they feel definitely like 53mm a good medium, I can see why people like Indy’s now cause once you get the right size dialed in they are some good trucks

I’m running them bone stock, standard 144 cast solid with stock orange cushions and they feel great

Naaaah, don't go down that rabbit hole man. I will say they started to use better bushings in the last year or so. I just picked up a new  set of forged hollow 149's, the stock orange cylinders are the same as the aftermarket ones now, better urethane with the lathed faces where they sit against the hanger. I compared them to an older set of 149 stock bushings (from USA stamped Indy's) and those bushings looked like molded shit in comparison.

*Updated for a pic
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48177421432_747befb235_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gpgSV7)IMG_7331 (https://flic.kr/p/2gpgSV7) by J J (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144080794@N08/), on Flickr

From left to right, bushing from deadstock USA 149's (I'd say 2-3 years old, but unskated), bushing from new forged hollows, standard aftermarket bushing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 02, 2019, 12:21:45 AM
Quote from: palelight on July 01, 2019, 11:45:58 PM
Quote from: rob on July 01, 2019, 07:59:30 PM
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I wonder if Indy basically released the 144 and any new Indy’s after the 144 as secretly the stage 11.5

Cause I use to hate how tippy Indy’s height felt but I can’t get off how good my 144 are on this 8.1 lurkville

The 144 don’t feel 55mm at all, they feel definitely like 53mm a good medium, I can see why people like Indy’s now cause once you get the right size dialed in they are some good trucks

I’m running them bone stock, standard 144 cast solid with stock orange cushions and they feel great
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Naaaah, don't go down that rabbit hole man. I will say they started to use better bushings in the last year or so. I just picked up a new  set of forged hollow 149's, the stock orange cylinders are the same as the aftermarket ones now, better urethane with the lathed faces where they sit against the hanger. I compared them to an older set of 149 stock bushings (from USA stamped Indy's) and those bushings looked like molded shit in comparison.

*Updated for a pic
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48177421432_747befb235_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gpgSV7)IMG_7331 (https://flic.kr/p/2gpgSV7) by J J (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144080794@N08/), on Flickr

From left to right, bushing from deadstock USA 149's (I'd say 2-3 years old, but unskated), bushing from new forged hollows, standard aftermarket bushing.

Haha idk man they keep coming out with stuff in this industry secretly cause they know there would be an uproar if they announced something new and months later found out they needed to revise the design and can’t announce it cause people would be upset and want an exchange or return

Like when they started putting cylinder bushings in the Indy lows instead of the og thunder style cone bushings they always had and the hangars got a better polish and shape that seemed to have a little more clearance

And I’m just a kook about this but how the thunder 147 kept getting better designed, I have the first set of thunder 147 II and 2 years later got another set and they were made a lot better and then a year ago got some hollow lights with the 147 engraved near the axle and they’re even better and the even newer sets look like they’re a tiny bit taller

Even my ace 44 classics, got them when they were just out and months later saw them in the shop and they looked way better made compared to first stock

But hey you could be right about it just being the bushings cause those red after markets are so good and I can see why they would just revise the classic orange stock to be that formula, so stable but free
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on July 02, 2019, 07:30:51 AM
I feel the madness creeping in. Can anyone make a solid case for Indy being someone who primarily skates ledges? I always feel like Thunder and Venture are my guys but I’m pretty short so sometimes I think their effect on wheelbase hinders me. The only thing that really bothers me is how Indys feel on crooked grinds, like it feels mushy and I can’t pop out of them nicely before slipping off the ledge (maybe I just suck). Does anyone else feel that way about them and/or found the solution?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 02, 2019, 07:34:08 AM
Can confirm that Venture 5.8 V lights stretch the wheelbase out .125 inches versus Thunder 148 Ti Lites.

Overall I am enjoying my Thunders a ton, but my manual point feels way the fuck off. Debating what to setup next on this Grimple Stix 8.28 deck to end the truck madness.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SHIREFLIP on July 02, 2019, 07:51:23 AM
Quote from: baustin on July 02, 2019, 07:30:51 AM
I feel the madness creeping in. Can anyone make a solid case for Indy being someone who primarily skates ledges? I always feel like Thunder and Venture are my guys but I’m pretty short so sometimes I think their effect on wheelbase hinders me. The only thing that really bothers me is how Indys feel on crooked grinds, like it feels mushy and I can’t pop out of them nicely before slipping off the ledge (maybe I just suck). Does anyone else feel that way about them and/or found the solution?

Mushy how? Like too much pinch/play while grinding? I don’t think I understand.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on July 02, 2019, 08:00:29 AM
Quote from: SHIREFLIP on July 02, 2019, 07:51:23 AM
Quote from: baustin on July 02, 2019, 07:30:51 AM
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I feel the madness creeping in. Can anyone make a solid case for Indy being someone who primarily skates ledges? I always feel like Thunder and Venture are my guys but I’m pretty short so sometimes I think their effect on wheelbase hinders me. The only thing that really bothers me is how Indys feel on crooked grinds, like it feels mushy and I can’t pop out of them nicely before slipping off the ledge (maybe I just suck). Does anyone else feel that way about them and/or found the solution?
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Mushy how? Like too much pinch/play while grinding? I don’t think I understand.

Yeah, for me they just never seem to settle into a nice pinch with that resistance/potential energy/rebound feel that allows you to pop out nicely. Could be that when I tried them I never got a good enough crooked grind groove going so that extra metal when compared to Thunders was throwing me off, or maybe I simply had them set up poorly. Bones bushings seemed to help a little bit but they still never seemed to crook as good as Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 02, 2019, 09:54:13 AM
I'm a pretty bad skater but I've been really good at crooks as well as fakie ollie to switch 5-0s. Can pop both out in the middle of a ledge any which way. IMO Thunders feel the best at these tricks and Ace/Indy had the worst pinch.

Think of it this way- if Ace have a shorter wheelbase than Indy and Indy is shorter than Thunder, then this means that Ace are about 1/2in shorter wheelbase overall. Even .25in will change the angle of the deck on these grinds and if you suck like I do, then the the Ace/Indy nose or tail ends up higher and will take longer to pinch.

Growing up in the late 90's and early 2000's Indys were for hesh dawgs at the park or pool and I learned to skate on Venture lows and Thunders, so that could be part of it too. I feel that whatever you initially learn on can have a lasting effect on muscle memory and shit. Most dudes I know from back then also ride 7.75-8.125 boards and most stick with smaller/thinner wheels and older setups.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on July 02, 2019, 09:59:58 AM
Had about 4 sessions on my stock Venture 5.8's, everything was going fine. Got a wild hair up my ass at the shop over the weekend and picked up some Bones mediums. Why? I don't have a solid reason, maybe cause its what I always have done with Thunders, I don't know. First session on the setup with the Bones this afternoon after work.

Glutton for punishment...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 02, 2019, 10:43:26 AM
Bones in ventures work real dope for me. Snappy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheLowerBack on July 02, 2019, 10:47:10 AM
Any word on when the Venture 6.1’s will be available?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 02, 2019, 10:49:31 AM
Quote from: backinaction on July 01, 2019, 09:06:34 PM
https://www.acerracing.com/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces?variant=14347926765603&currency=USD&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3uboBRDCARIsAO2XcYANa3HuKiJYh-dqTNyietnWJDl8vQ5qbmuB6YktEd54Bu06d6nZNWUaAisPEALw_wcB

How much weight difference we talking? Ti bolts, truck hardware....can I get the 44’s to feel like a hollow in terms of weight? Kooooooksville (willing to try)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 02, 2019, 11:06:10 AM
Quote from: TheLowerBack on July 02, 2019, 10:47:10 AM
Any word on when the Venture 6.1’s will be available?

Early fall.  I'm assuming it will just be the standard "team" model with the cast baseplate at first and then v-lights
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on July 02, 2019, 11:33:37 AM
Quote from: Ok on July 02, 2019, 10:43:26 AM
Bones in ventures work real dope for me. Snappy.

This makes me feel better
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SHIREFLIP on July 02, 2019, 11:37:52 AM
Quote from: baustin on July 02, 2019, 08:00:29 AM
Quote from: SHIREFLIP on July 02, 2019, 07:51:23 AM
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Quote from: baustin on July 02, 2019, 07:30:51 AM
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I feel the madness creeping in. Can anyone make a solid case for Indy being someone who primarily skates ledges? I always feel like Thunder and Venture are my guys but I’m pretty short so sometimes I think their effect on wheelbase hinders me. The only thing that really bothers me is how Indys feel on crooked grinds, like it feels mushy and I can’t pop out of them nicely before slipping off the ledge (maybe I just suck). Does anyone else feel that way about them and/or found the solution?
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Mushy how? Like too much pinch/play while grinding? I don’t think I understand.
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Yeah, for me they just never seem to settle into a nice pinch with that resistance/potential energy/rebound feel that allows you to pop out nicely. Could be that when I tried them I never got a good enough crooked grind groove going so that extra metal when compared to Thunders was throwing me off, or maybe I simply had them set up poorly. Bones bushings seemed to help a little bit but they still never seemed to crook as good as Thunders.

I think you might be right about the lack of a groove throwing you off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 03, 2019, 07:57:49 AM
I wonder if those titanium lock nuts would shred your axels and are they more durable too?

The other reason I can see people skating indys too is.....more truck.  I think it's pretty easy to grind through an ACE or thunder.  Indy has what seems like another quarter inch of metal.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on July 03, 2019, 08:50:26 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 03, 2019, 07:57:49 AM
I wonder if those titanium lock nuts would shred your axels and are they more durable too?

The other reason I can see people skating indys too is.....more truck.  I think it's pretty easy to grind through an ACE or thunder.  Indy has what seems like another quarter inch of metal.

Titanium alloys generally aren’t stronger than steel so I’d say not very likely.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: smg1138 on July 03, 2019, 09:25:14 AM
Anybody know a good place to get replacement kingpins for Indy Stage 11 standards? Seems like most places just carry the low ones which would seem too short. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on July 03, 2019, 09:26:14 AM
Does anyone have a good remedy for thunders kingpins? Been doing feebles on curbs lately and keep scrapping my King pin horribly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on July 03, 2019, 09:55:39 AM
Quote from: SirPizzaSlayer on July 03, 2019, 09:26:14 AM
Does anyone have a good remedy for thunders kingpins? Been doing feebles on curbs lately and keep scrapping my King pin horribly.

Switching to Venture
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on July 03, 2019, 09:58:22 AM
Quote from: SirPizzaSlayer on July 03, 2019, 09:26:14 AM
Does anyone have a good remedy for thunders kingpins? Been doing feebles on curbs lately and keep scrapping my King pin horribly.

https://destructotrucks.com/collections/parts/products/hollowpoints-kingpin
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 03, 2019, 10:10:02 AM
Quote from: arrbee on July 03, 2019, 09:55:39 AM
Quote from: SirPizzaSlayer on July 03, 2019, 09:26:14 AM
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Does anyone have a good remedy for thunders kingpins? Been doing feebles on curbs lately and keep scrapping my King pin horribly.
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True true

Switching to Venture
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on July 03, 2019, 10:49:56 AM
My set of ventures hi are grinded to the axle and my kingpin bolt is not even touched
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on July 03, 2019, 10:50:52 AM
Quote from: nosneb on July 03, 2019, 10:49:56 AM
My set of ventures hi are grinded to the axle and my kingpin bolt is not even touched
nice
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 03, 2019, 06:36:02 PM
Quote from: Roisto on July 03, 2019, 08:50:26 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 03, 2019, 07:57:49 AM
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I wonder if those titanium lock nuts would shred your axels and are they more durable too?

The other reason I can see people skating indys too is.....more truck.  I think it's pretty easy to grind through an ACE or thunder.  Indy has what seems like another quarter inch of metal.
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Titanium alloys generally aren’t stronger than steel so I’d say not very likely.

Im basing this on those TIH's which I assumed were some alloy, they were crazy hard and as a result grinded weird, and I think they shredded nuts....so I wonder if TI nuts would shred a steel axel.  I bet they'd primo spark!

On thunders and kingpins....I skate team baseplates w. Krux....works good....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on July 03, 2019, 08:07:18 PM
Quote from: SirPizzaSlayer on July 03, 2019, 09:26:14 AM
Does anyone have a good remedy for thunders kingpins? Been doing feebles on curbs lately and keep scrapping my King pin horribly.

Krux Downlow Kingpin w/ cast plates is what I used for my Thunders. Can’t stand the standard Kingpin clearance on them myself

Ventures have the best stock Kingpin clearance in my experience. Not only does it sit low but it has that “lip” on the edge of the hanger which is a big factor as well
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on July 03, 2019, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on July 03, 2019, 08:07:18 PM
Quote from: SirPizzaSlayer on July 03, 2019, 09:26:14 AM
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Does anyone have a good remedy for thunders kingpins? Been doing feebles on curbs lately and keep scrapping my King pin horribly.
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Krux Downlow Kingpin w/ cast plates is what I used for my Thunders. Can’t stand the standard Kingpin clearance on them myself

Ventures have the best stock Kingpin clearance in my experience. Not only does it sit low but it has that “lip” on the edge of the hanger which is a big factor as well
id like to try venture but I’m scared I won’t like them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on July 03, 2019, 09:47:16 PM
Just found out that Ermico (Venture/ Thunder) moved to Mexico

and

Indys are now all China manufactured...

End of an era...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on July 03, 2019, 10:10:27 PM
Quote from: SirPizzaSlayer on July 03, 2019, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on July 03, 2019, 08:07:18 PM
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Quote from: SirPizzaSlayer on July 03, 2019, 09:26:14 AM
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Does anyone have a good remedy for thunders kingpins? Been doing feebles on curbs lately and keep scrapping my King pin horribly.
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Krux Downlow Kingpin w/ cast plates is what I used for my Thunders. Can’t stand the standard Kingpin clearance on them myself

Ventures have the best stock Kingpin clearance in my experience. Not only does it sit low but it has that “lip” on the edge of the hanger which is a big factor as well
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id like to try venture but I’m scared I won’t like them.
Just go for it. The highs are great. They break in nicely and turn similar to indys with a lot more stability and amazing clearance. Ventures are slept on. I avoided them for years because everyone always told me ventures sucked. I'm never going back to indys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 03, 2019, 10:47:07 PM
Quote from: skatefresh on July 03, 2019, 10:10:27 PM
Just go for it. The highs are great. They break in nicely and turn similar to indys with a lot more stability and amazing clearance. Ventures are slept on. I avoided them for years because everyone always told me ventures sucked. I'm never going back to indys.

Alright, I'm curious, so whoever wants to chime in on this. For anyone that thinks their Ventures turn as well as Indy's, how are you running them, what sort of bushing setup? I've got a set of 5.8's I pull out every now and then in hopes that they'll 'work' this time but I never get the turn I want and they end up going back into a box for another 8 months. Nowhere near an Indy turn. I've tried stock, soft Indy conical's, Bones, and even Ace and Thunder bottom bushings with no bottom washer, and they still turn sluggish as hell. I'm not convinced in any way they don't turn, a lot of the Magenta guys, Yaje, even Westgate use them and they clearly aren't tic-tacking all over the place.... so I'm stumped.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on July 03, 2019, 11:27:04 PM
Quote from: palelight on July 03, 2019, 10:47:07 PM
Quote from: skatefresh on July 03, 2019, 10:10:27 PM
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Just go for it. The highs are great. They break in nicely and turn similar to indys with a lot more stability and amazing clearance. Ventures are slept on. I avoided them for years because everyone always told me ventures sucked. I'm never going back to indys.
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Alright, I'm curious, so whoever wants to chime in on this. For anyone that thinks their Ventures turn as well as Indy's, how are you running them, what sort of bushing setup? I've got a set of 5.8's I pull out every now and then in hopes that they'll 'work' this time but I never get the turn I want and they end up going back into a box for another 8 months. Nowhere near an Indy turn. I've tried stock, soft Indy conical's, Bones, and even Ace and Thunder bottom bushings with no bottom washer, and they still turn sluggish as hell. I'm not convinced in any way they don't turn, a lot of the Magenta guys, Yaje, even Westgate use them and they clearly aren't tic-tacking all over the place.... so I'm stumped.

IMO they turn just fine it’s just that the turn isn’t very deep at all. Tight spots & tranny without mad speed aren’t optimal with Ventures IMO. I’ve been running mine with Independent super soft bushings. I mostly don’t use them anymore though as Aces are so much more dreamy for me. Even getting a short wheelbase board doesn’t IMO help much to get a deeper turn from Ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on July 03, 2019, 11:35:21 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 03, 2019, 06:36:02 PM
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I wonder if those titanium lock nuts would shred your axels and are they more durable too?

The other reason I can see people skating indys too is.....more truck.  I think it's pretty easy to grind through an ACE or thunder.  Indy has what seems like another quarter inch of metal.
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Titanium alloys generally aren’t stronger than steel so I’d say not very likely.
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Im basing this on those TIH's which I assumed were some alloy, they were crazy hard and as a result grinded weird, and I think they shredded nuts....so I wonder if TI nuts would shred a steel axel.  I bet they'd primo spark!

On thunders and kingpins....I skate team baseplates w. Krux....works good....

Titanium is much harder than aluminum but there’s much more to how something grinds than the hardness of the material. Steel is harder than titanium but grinds a hell of a lot better than even aluminum. It’s just that it’s so damn heavy that making trucks from it isn’t feasible.

Can’t say anything about your shredded nuts (no pun intended  ;D) but I doubt it’s because the titanium was harder than steel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on July 03, 2019, 11:37:44 PM
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Just go for it. The highs are great. They break in nicely and turn similar to indys with a lot more stability and amazing clearance. Ventures are slept on. I avoided them for years because everyone always told me ventures sucked. I'm never going back to indys.
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Alright, I'm curious, so whoever wants to chime in on this. For anyone that thinks their Ventures turn as well as Indy's, how are you running them, what sort of bushing setup? I've got a set of 5.8's I pull out every now and then in hopes that they'll 'work' this time but I never get the turn I want and they end up going back into a box for another 8 months. Nowhere near an Indy turn. I've tried stock, soft Indy conical's, Bones, and even Ace and Thunder bottom bushings with no bottom washer, and they still turn sluggish as hell. I'm not convinced in any way they don't turn, a lot of the Magenta guys, Yaje, even Westgate use them and they clearly aren't tic-tacking all over the place.... so I'm stumped.
I run mine flush with the kingpin with the stock 90a bushings. Honestly I have no problem carving, it just takes a bit more effort to initiate because of the geometry. I've skated my friends stage 11s for reference and I don't feel limited at all by the turn.The ftc collab ones with the green bushings I had most recently seemed to break in quicker and the bushings felt softer than the stock purple ones in the regular raws. I've toyed with bones mediums and it worked fine also.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on July 04, 2019, 12:18:29 AM
I was super happy with my Indy's for maaaany years but the Ace bug bite me as I wanted to try them. Got 44 and they were great but the fact of not being 8.5 messed up with me big time. A friend needed trucks so I sold them to him and got, idk why, Thunders which I simply can't skate.
Now I'm waiting to finish at work so I can get some Indy's.
Fucking truck madness.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 04, 2019, 04:35:22 AM
Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on July 03, 2019, 09:47:16 PM
Just found out that Ermico (Venture/ Thunder) moved to Mexico

and

Indys are now all China manufactured...

End of an era...

I can't find anything on Ermico moving to mexico.  where did you get that info?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Italianshredder96 on July 04, 2019, 05:05:15 AM
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What are the best replacement bushings for Thunder Highs? Just got a new set of 149's but the stock bushings are a little squishy for my taste. I noticed they sell Thunder bushings in tubes and in rebuild kits. Is one version better than the other? I used to use Bones hards with Indy's but I don't think those are going to fit the Thunders right.
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Oddly enough I’m in literally the exact same boat. Got new 149 thunders to try something different. Skated them yesterday and the bushings seemed so soft. I’m coming off Indy’s with bones. I’m also 220 so everything but hards seem soft.

Ive looked on here about bushings and bones hardcores but I never found a definitive answer if they work in thunders. Secondly if they fit in thunders by forcing them  do they change the geo ? I thought I read that.
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The bottom bushing in a thunder bushing are a bit taller than bones. Plus when you take into account removing the washer as well as the taller bushing, the hangar sits differently. The angle it enters the pivot cup is stressful for it, it causes stress, creaking, or broken kingpins and bushings. To counteract this, always check the stock bushings and washer height, then create a combo that maintains that. So you can use the bones bushings with the black flat washer it comes with as the bottom combo. It matters less for the top bushings. Bones bushings with stock metal washers don't work very good they don't allow the bushings to work right, so in a truck like thunder where you need the bottom washer for height just use a flat one and it's all good. The thunder aftermarket ones have always been the best for me in thunders though.
Best are thunder 92a bushings the light blue one...I tried almost every bushings and thunder bushings worked the best, Indy aftermarket also worked good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on July 04, 2019, 09:45:31 AM
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Just found out that Ermico (Venture/ Thunder) moved to Mexico

and

Indys are now all China manufactured...

End of an era...
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Long time shop owner in the know. If it hasn't happened already its happening. Even Spitfire is Made in Mex now. SF is just no longer feasible for anyone but a few elite tech companies. Sad.
I can't find anything on Ermico moving to mexico.  where did you get that info?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Creed Bratton on July 04, 2019, 10:14:57 AM
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Just found out that Ermico (Venture/ Thunder) moved to Mexico

and

Indys are now all China manufactured...

End of an era...
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Long time shop owner in the know. If it hasn't happened already its happening. Even Spitfire is Made in Mex now. SF is just no longer feasible for anyone but a few elite tech companies. Sad.
I can't find anything on Ermico moving to mexico.  where did you get that info?
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Just got 2 new sets of Thunder 149 teams and the quality seems to have improved. Minimal metal leakage on the exposed part of the axles. I’ve had to exchange a couple sets of new thunders in the past year because metal leaked onto the axle and the washer wouldn’t sit flush. The base plates have a nicer smooth finish to them. They also changed the baseplate logo, they’re all the same now instead of having a bunch of variations.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on July 04, 2019, 10:30:49 AM
I want to get back on my Indy’s but fuck I want to get my moneys worth out of these thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 04, 2019, 10:42:17 AM
can anyone actually confirm if the wheelbase is longer on forged plates/v-lights vs cast on Ventures?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on July 04, 2019, 12:20:14 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 04, 2019, 10:42:17 AM
can anyone actually confirm if the wheelbase is longer on forged plates/v-lights vs cast on Ventures?
Here we fucking go...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: timv on July 04, 2019, 01:49:28 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 04, 2019, 10:42:17 AM
can anyone actually confirm if the wheelbase is longer on forged plates/v-lights vs cast on Ventures?

It’s about a mm or two difference.  Honestly I believe it makes up for the height difference between the two and keeps the point that the tail or nose hits the same so the pop feels the same.

We are just getting geeky here now though.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: redcurb12 on July 04, 2019, 02:35:44 PM
139's or 144's on an 8 - 8.1 set-up?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on July 04, 2019, 02:44:22 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 04, 2019, 10:42:17 AM
can anyone actually confirm if the wheelbase is longer on forged plates/v-lights vs cast on Ventures?

I posted pictures a few pages back where you can see the difference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on July 04, 2019, 04:54:31 PM
Would anyone here with Theeve/Ace experience say that Theeve’s possess the closest turn to Ace but have less wheelbite due to the oval yoke?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 04, 2019, 04:57:11 PM
Quote from: redcurb12 on July 04, 2019, 02:35:44 PM
139's or 144's on an 8 - 8.1 set-up?

Definitely 144

I tried both on my 8” deck and the 144 just feel way better, and my 139 are the hollow lights both cast and forged 139’s compared on the 8” deck and no where as good as 144

Loving my 144 on my lurkville 8.1 currently
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on July 04, 2019, 06:08:01 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 04, 2019, 04:54:31 PM
Would anyone here with Theeve/Ace experience say that Theeve’s possess the closest turn to Ace but have less wheelbite due to the oval yoke?

Haven’t skated aces but the oval yoke definitely helps with wheelbite. I love Thunders but usually after a few months of skating them I’ll have a few bad wheelbite days and switch back to the theeves and it’s a major difference between the two in terms of wheelbite specifically. I’ve even gotten away with some offset landings off of stairs/gaps due to the oval yoke kind of powering through the impact and recentering whereas I’d easily get pitched if I were to land the same way on some thunders


Edit: prime example


(https://i.imgflip.com/34ypgz.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on July 04, 2019, 06:53:11 PM
Quote from: redcurb12 on July 04, 2019, 02:35:44 PM
139's or 144's on an 8 - 8.1 set-up?
I stand by the 139s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on July 05, 2019, 05:27:30 AM
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I stand by the 139s

I’ve run both and they’re both completely fine. It comes down to what you want out of your skateboard. Do you wanna be able to flip it around a little easier or do you want it to be more stable/grounded feeling and easier to lock into grinds? You can do any type of skating with either setup but those are their strengths.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on July 05, 2019, 06:53:47 AM
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139's or 144's on an 8 - 8.1 set-up?
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I stand by the 139s
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I’ve run both and they’re both completely fine. It comes down to what you want out of your skateboard. Do you wanna be able to flip it around a little easier or do you want it to be more stable/grounded feeling and easier to lock into grinds? You can do any type of skating with either setup but those are their strengths.
Also is good to bare in mind the fact if you'll size up eventually. In that case 144 is a better option imo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on July 05, 2019, 06:59:53 AM
I ride 8,25 trucks on 8-8.1, to me it makes sense to have the wheels flush insead of the axle
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 05, 2019, 08:12:14 AM
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139's or 144's on an 8 - 8.1 set-up?
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I stand by the 139s

139+3 washers on the inside is almost as wide as a 144 too.  I think Rob Welsh told me that was his combo before 144's came out since he didn't wanna go up to 149 on an 8.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on July 05, 2019, 08:21:35 AM
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Would anyone here with Theeve/Ace experience say that Theeve’s possess the closest turn to Ace but have less wheelbite due to the oval yoke?
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Haven’t skated aces but the oval yoke definitely helps with wheelbite. I love Thunders but usually after a few months of skating them I’ll have a few bad wheelbite days and switch back to the theeves and it’s a major difference between the two in terms of wheelbite specifically. I’ve even gotten away with some offset landings off of stairs/gaps due to the oval yoke kind of powering through the impact and recentering whereas I’d easily get pitched if I were to land the same way on some thunders

Thanks for the info! I think I may try some Theeve’s finally. I hope they do well in transition and bowls like Ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 05, 2019, 11:17:18 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 05, 2019, 08:12:14 AM
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139's or 144's on an 8 - 8.1 set-up?
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I stand by the 139s
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139+3 washers on the inside is almost as wide as a 144 too.  I think Rob Welsh told me that was his combo before 144's came out since he didn't wanna go up to 149 on an 8.

Narrower trucks feel ‘quicker’, for me. 139s got some snap to em, turn faster.

I am very interested in weight vs width, washers, wheel size and wheel along the axle placement. Wider wheels should change the turning radius? Same with wider trucks? Board width to deck width stability ratios?

Wide feels great, and with some adjustment kickflips will start to feel great. I start to lose the 360 flips and rotations tho. Which is a bummer because a wide board can feel so nice to ride distances on, smash over cracks and whatnot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 05, 2019, 02:25:44 PM
if you skate 8's more: 139, if you skate 8.125 more: 144's...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on July 05, 2019, 06:18:56 PM
Unsolicited opinion: Deluxe supercush bushings are better than bones bushings.

Currently using supercush 97a bushings in a set of venture 5.2 lows and they're turny, stable, and they snap back to center fairly well. From my experience, bones bushings crack at the plastic only after a couple of sessions. Therefore, i feel like these supercushs make your setup more reliable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 05, 2019, 06:44:04 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 04, 2019, 04:54:31 PM
Would anyone here with Theeve/Ace experience say that Theeve’s possess the closest turn to Ace but have less wheelbite due to the oval yoke?

Yes.

Theeve prototypes ran on ACE baseplates, that tells you where the geometry wanted to go from the start.

Theeve are a less turney, more stable and lighter (TI variants) than ACE
Theeve are more stable than Indy when loose and more responsive
Theeve feel stable like thunders and have a similar level of responsiveness (responsivness for an Indy/Ace like truck feel if that makes sense)

Theeve have the least wheelbite of any truck I've ridden and I ride loose.

They're great, people just hate on them because of the logo, name or whatever the fuck (not indy/thunder or a forum fav).

My only issue with them is that in order to get them loose enough for my taste I have to run bones softs and have them super wobbly loose (shaking the board hanger wiggling loose) even tho when riding it doesn't feel that loose; they settle in when you have your weight on them.

That said, my two favs right now are Forged Indy running ACE bushings and Mini logos (running ACE bushings).

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on July 05, 2019, 10:09:10 PM
Never skating thunder lows again. Ollie’s over a cone and strait clipped it and fell into the touch concrete. Fuck low trucks. Never again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on July 05, 2019, 10:32:06 PM
Quote from: SirPizzaSlayer on July 05, 2019, 10:09:10 PM
Never skating thunder lows again. Ollie’s over a cone and strait clipped it and fell into the touch concrete. Fuck low trucks. Never again.

User error.  :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on July 06, 2019, 05:14:19 AM
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139's or 144's on an 8 - 8.1 set-up?
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I stand by the 139s
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139+3 washers on the inside is almost as wide as a 144 too.  I think Rob Welsh told me that was his combo before 144's came out since he didn't wanna go up to 149 on an 8.

I am fascinated by this Welsh information. Tell me more.

P.s. not sarcasm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 06, 2019, 07:37:16 AM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on July 05, 2019, 06:18:56 PM
Unsolicited opinion: Deluxe supercush bushings are better than bones bushings.

Currently using supercush 97a bushings in a set of venture 5.2 lows and they're turny, stable, and they snap back to center fairly well. From my experience, bones bushings crack at the plastic only after a couple of sessions. Therefore, i feel like these supercushs make your setup more reliable.

I guess it's just a bushing but I dunno why DLX doesn't market these more or even just come up with a hardware accessory brand....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on July 06, 2019, 08:24:38 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 06, 2019, 07:37:16 AM
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Unsolicited opinion: Deluxe supercush bushings are better than bones bushings.

Currently using supercush 97a bushings in a set of venture 5.2 lows and they're turny, stable, and they snap back to center fairly well. From my experience, bones bushings crack at the plastic only after a couple of sessions. Therefore, i feel like these supercushs make your setup more reliable.
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I guess it's just a bushing but I dunno why DLX doesn't market these more or even just come up with a hardware accessory brand....

Are they from the Thunder line? Or are they a thing of their own?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 06, 2019, 09:46:33 AM
Quote from: fang on July 06, 2019, 05:14:19 AM
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139's or 144's on an 8 - 8.1 set-up?
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I stand by the 139s
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139+3 washers on the inside is almost as wide as a 144 too.  I think Rob Welsh told me that was his combo before 144's came out since he didn't wanna go up to 149 on an 8.
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I am fascinated by this Welsh information. Tell me more.

P.s. not sarcasm

I was in 510 and he was there (Lakai rep). I was deciding between various board/truck combos (8.125 w/ 139 and 8.25 w/ 149) as they never seen to have any 144's and then he dropped that knowledge on me. Being a childhood Welsh fan I definitely got the 8.125 and 139's. He had them grab me some extra speed rings and I set it up like that with Classics and never looked back.

Supercush bushings look identical to the other DLX replacements but are different colors.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on July 06, 2019, 10:27:09 AM
He probably thought you were a pain in the ass and fed you some bullshit 😂
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on July 06, 2019, 10:51:47 AM
Will say that the thunder bushings are pretty good. Has anyone put thunder bushings in Indy’s??
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on July 06, 2019, 11:22:42 AM
Quote from: Xen on July 05, 2019, 06:44:04 PM
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Would anyone here with Theeve/Ace experience say that Theeve’s possess the closest turn to Ace but have less wheelbite due to the oval yoke?
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Yes.

Theeve prototypes ran on ACE baseplates, that tells you where the geometry wanted to go from the start.

Theeve are a less turney, more stable and lighter (TI variants) than ACE
Theeve are more stable than Indy when loose and more responsive
Theeve feel stable like thunders and have a similar level of responsiveness (responsivness for an Indy/Ace like truck feel if that makes sense)

Theeve have the least wheelbite of any truck I've ridden and I ride loose.

They're great, people just hate on them because of the logo, name or whatever the fuck (not indy/thunder or a forum fav).

My only issue with them is that in order to get them loose enough for my taste I have to run bones softs and have them super wobbly loose (shaking the board hanger wiggling loose) even tho when riding it doesn't feel that loose; they settle in when you have your weight on them.

That said, my two favs right now are Forged Indy running ACE bushings and Mini logos (running ACE bushings).

Thank you for your input, Xen! My problem is I’m addicted to Ace’s, however, I weigh 210lbs and it’s very hard for me to get them to be very loose without lots of wheelbite. Softer bushings aren’t of help, and harder restricts it just a little too much, even after broken in. My only thing with Ace’s that’s working for me is Bones mediums with the flat top washer on the bottom and no top washer. And a thick hockey puck of a 1/4” riser. I really want to eliminate the need for a riser, as I don’t like looking down and seeing it.

Indy’s wheelbite worse for me, and they don’t turn like Ace, so those are out of the question. Mini Logo doesn’t make a 9” truck, or else I’d be willing to try. But if Theeve can turn better than an Indy with less wheelbite, I will try them. Would you say Theeve may be the sweet spot for what I’m looking for?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on July 06, 2019, 11:31:27 AM
What's the baseplate clearance on nose/tail slides for Theeve?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 06, 2019, 01:04:24 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 06, 2019, 09:46:33 AM
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139's or 144's on an 8 - 8.1 set-up?
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I stand by the 139s
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139+3 washers on the inside is almost as wide as a 144 too.  I think Rob Welsh told me that was his combo before 144's came out since he didn't wanna go up to 149 on an 8.
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I am fascinated by this Welsh information. Tell me more.

P.s. not sarcasm
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I was in 510 and he was there (Lakai rep). I was deciding between various board/truck combos (8.125 w/ 139 and 8.25 w/ 149) as they never seen to have any 144's and then he dropped that knowledge on me. Being a childhood Welsh fan I definitely got the 8.125 and 139's. He had them grab me some extra speed rings and I set it up like that with Classics and never looked back.

Supercush bushings look identical to the other DLX replacements but are different colors.


Joey Pepper said the same thing in some magazine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on July 06, 2019, 01:21:13 PM
truck nerds

I'm looking into ventures now,

I have a pair of of the 8.5 hi's on my 8.75 "fun" setup, but I'm considering ventures. Should I get a pair of 8.0s or should I go wait to find some  8.25s? I ride a 8.25 MOST of the time, although lately I've been messing with 8.1ish
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: brownjenkin on July 06, 2019, 02:27:48 PM
I've been off a skateboard for a couple of years now and recently picked up an 8.25 Hockey board. I used to ride 8-8.125s on Indy 139s. The 139s feel a little too unstable on the 8.25, so decided to come on Slap to see if I should go with 144s or 149s.

Jesus Christ. I read through a few dozen pages in this thread and my head is now broken.

I turned into a bit of a headcase about my setups in my late 20s and early 30s when I started thinking more about shit like wheelbase. I'm 38 now and this thread might have just ruined me for good.

Thanks a lot.

Help.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Switch FS K-Swiss Grind on July 06, 2019, 02:37:47 PM
Quote from: brownjenkin on July 06, 2019, 02:27:48 PM
I've been off a skateboard for a couple of years now and recently picked up an 8.25 Hockey board. I used to ride 8-8.125s on Indy 139s. The 139s feel a little too unstable on the 8.25, so decided to come on Slap to see if I should go with 144s or 149s.

Jesus Christ. I read through a few dozen pages in this thread and my head is now broken.

I turned into a bit of a headcase about my setups in my late 20s and early 30s when I started thinking more about shit like wheelbase. I'm 38 now and this thread might have just ruined me for good.

Thanks a lot.

Help.

144's
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 06, 2019, 03:10:01 PM
Quote from: brownjenkin on July 06, 2019, 02:27:48 PM
I've been off a skateboard for a couple of years now and recently picked up an 8.25 Hockey board. I used to ride 8-8.125s on Indy 139s. The 139s feel a little too unstable on the 8.25, so decided to come on Slap to see if I should go with 144s or 149s.

Jesus Christ. I read through a few dozen pages in this thread and my head is now broken.

I turned into a bit of a headcase about my setups in my late 20s and early 30s when I started thinking more about shit like wheelbase. I'm 38 now and this thread might have just ruined me for good.

Thanks a lot.

Help.

If you think you might bounce around to 8.38" or 8.5" then 149's would work with all of them, but if you're set on 8.25" then 144's. If you run wide wheels, especially concicals or conical fulls, the difference will be pretty negligible.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on July 06, 2019, 07:08:46 PM
Quote from: TwisT on July 06, 2019, 01:21:13 PM
truck nerds

I'm looking into ventures now,

I have a pair of of the 8.5 hi's on my 8.75 "fun" setup, but I'm considering ventures. Should I get a pair of 8.0s or should I go wait to find some  8.25s? I ride a 8.25 MOST of the time, although lately I've been messing with 8.1ish

Just stick to the 5.8s or try the 5.6 (8.25)
I ride 8-8.3 with 5.8 and have a 7.5 setup with 5.2
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 06, 2019, 07:42:44 PM
Quote from: Dog the Bounty Hunter on July 06, 2019, 10:27:09 AM
He probably thought you were a pain in the ass and fed you some bullshit 😂

I would agree except that he showed me his board and seemed really interested in telling me about this hack. And all I had asked was "Do you have any 144's".
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 06, 2019, 09:24:29 PM
What kind of pivot cups work best with thunders? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HaveFunSkateboarding on July 06, 2019, 10:45:11 PM
I've been skating a set of Royals for over a year now (granted, I'm 40 and don't skate that much). I really want to try something different but not sure what. I used to skate Thunder's forever (10 years or so), then switched to Indy's for a long time. Got on a Crail kick (I'm still on it), that's why I got the Royals. I honestly don't mind them at all, I can't find anything wrong with how they skate at all. I just want to try something different on my next set up. Also, I'm cheap/poor and scour the internet and eBay for good deals. I've been looking at Ace 44's, Thunder's (the newer size for 8.38" decks), and those new size Ventures. Any opinions?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on July 07, 2019, 07:16:13 AM
Truck madness struck me again. Got some Thunder 147 teams. Absolutely love the way the turn, so quick and responsive. BUT I simply can't fucking tailslide with them and its really frustrating.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 07, 2019, 07:21:53 AM
If Ace low bushings fit Indys, I assume they will fit Ventures as well.  Going to pick some up when I get a chance because it could be amazing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 07, 2019, 08:12:35 AM
Quote from: HaveFunSkateboarding on July 06, 2019, 10:45:11 PM
I've been skating a set of Royals for over a year now (granted, I'm 40 and don't skate that much). I really want to try something different but not sure what. I used to skate Thunder's forever (10 years or so), then switched to Indy's for a long time. Got on a Crail kick (I'm still on it), that's why I got the Royals. I honestly don't mind them at all, I can't find anything wrong with how they skate at all. I just want to try something different on my next set up. Also, I'm cheap/poor and scour the internet and eBay for good deals. I've been looking at Ace 44's, Thunder's (the newer size for 8.38" decks), and those new size Ventures. Any opinions?

More info needed. What do you like to skate? Wheel size? Etc.
I had royals in the very beginning of their act, and liked them a lot. They did the cynical crail thing and put out terrible product for too long. I had some about 10 years and had the best skating of my life. I don’t break stuff, I like the geometry
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on July 07, 2019, 08:21:46 AM
Does anyone know if thunder bushings can go in Indy’s? I also want to know why the thunder hollow Forged are so low. I’ve clipped so many cones and fallen because of how low they are and they feel super fucking wonky. I put a 1/8 riser but I don’t know if that’s helped at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on July 07, 2019, 08:52:08 AM
Quote from: Bizarro Jerry on July 07, 2019, 07:16:13 AM
Truck madness struck me again. Got some Thunder 147 teams. Absolutely love the way the turn, so quick and responsive. BUT I simply can't fucking tailslide with them and its really frustrating.

Doesn't help much now, but the new Tensor AT design is basically Thunder with a more extended base plate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: brownjenkin on July 07, 2019, 09:11:22 AM
Quote from: palelight on July 06, 2019, 03:10:01 PM
Quote from: brownjenkin on July 06, 2019, 02:27:48 PM
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I've been off a skateboard for a couple of years now and recently picked up an 8.25 Hockey board. I used to ride 8-8.125s on Indy 139s. The 139s feel a little too unstable on the 8.25, so decided to come on Slap to see if I should go with 144s or 149s.

Jesus Christ. I read through a few dozen pages in this thread and my head is now broken.

I turned into a bit of a headcase about my setups in my late 20s and early 30s when I started thinking more about shit like wheelbase. I'm 38 now and this thread might have just ruined me for good.

Thanks a lot.

Help.
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If you think you might bounce around to 8.38" or 8.5" then 149's would work with all of them, but if you're set on 8.25" then 144's. If you run wide wheels, especially concicals or conical fulls, the difference will be pretty negligible.

Thanks dude. Yeah, that was my initial thought. I don't see myself going higher than 8.38 any time soon and potentially see myself going as low 8.125, so the 144s are probably a good bet right now. 

Super tempted to try out the Venture 5.6s after reading this thread. I grew up skating strictly Venture before truck madness got me by the balls and eventually settled on Indy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank on July 07, 2019, 10:02:15 AM
^

same. been on the fence about buying a pair over the last week.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on July 07, 2019, 12:08:12 PM
Quote from: brownjenkin on July 07, 2019, 09:11:22 AM
Quote from: palelight on July 06, 2019, 03:10:01 PM
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I've been off a skateboard for a couple of years now and recently picked up an 8.25 Hockey board. I used to ride 8-8.125s on Indy 139s. The 139s feel a little too unstable on the 8.25, so decided to come on Slap to see if I should go with 144s or 149s.

Jesus Christ. I read through a few dozen pages in this thread and my head is now broken.

I turned into a bit of a headcase about my setups in my late 20s and early 30s when I started thinking more about shit like wheelbase. I'm 38 now and this thread might have just ruined me for good.

Thanks a lot.

Help.
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If you think you might bounce around to 8.38" or 8.5" then 149's would work with all of them, but if you're set on 8.25" then 144's. If you run wide wheels, especially concicals or conical fulls, the difference will be pretty negligible.
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Thanks dude. Yeah, that was my initial thought. I don't see myself going higher than 8.38 any time soon and potentially see myself going as low 8.125, so the 144s are probably a good bet right now. 

Super tempted to try out the Venture 5.6s after reading this thread. I grew up skating strictly Venture before truck madness got me by the balls and eventually settled on Indy.
Try the ventures 😉
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on July 07, 2019, 12:36:05 PM
I started this year off skating 44's (the V2) and on a whim put my 144 Ti's on to compare.

Ace's turn is unbeatable, but I preferred the Indy's for how they grinded and the lighter weight.  I'm 6'3 and 195lbs, and found myself cranking the kingpins down a turn a turn and a half tighter than stock.  Considering new bushings, as I put a good amount of dough into them.  Someone mentioned Ace bushings in Indy's, so I'm thinking of that, or Indy 92's or Bones.  Any recommendations?

I could always go the v3 route, but have read on here about terrible QC issues.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: plasticsurgerydisasters on July 07, 2019, 12:49:27 PM
what are the chances that venture would ever make a truck with an 8.75 axle? all this venture talk has make me want to try them but I usually run 159 indy’s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on July 07, 2019, 01:13:21 PM
Quote from: plasticsurgerydisasters on July 07, 2019, 12:49:27 PM
what are the chances that venture would ever make a truck with an 8.75 axle? all this venture talk has make me want to try them but I usually run 159 indy’s.

It's coming. Was in some new catalog already. Can't remember when though but it has been mentioned here somewhere.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 07, 2019, 01:19:01 PM
Quote from: jamersonbass on July 07, 2019, 12:36:05 PM
I started this year off skating 44's (the V2) and on a whim put my 144 Ti's on to compare.

Ace's turn is unbeatable, but I preferred the Indy's for how they grinded and the lighter weight.  I'm 6'3 and 195lbs, and found myself cranking the kingpins down a turn a turn and a half tighter than stock.  Considering new bushings, as I put a good amount of dough into them.  Someone mentioned Ace bushings in Indy's, so I'm thinking of that, or Indy 92's or Bones.  Any recommendations?

I could always go the v3 route, but have read on here about terrible QC issues.

Try the Frankenstein: Indy ti hanger, ace plate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 07, 2019, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: plasticsurgerydisasters on July 07, 2019, 12:49:27 PM
what are the chances that venture would ever make a truck with an 8.75 axle? all this venture talk has make me want to try them but I usually run 159 indy’s.

BMC said something about fall drop?
Shop owner that knows was saying he was ‘waiting for them’, but I took it like he was waiting to buy some for himself and that it would be a few months.
Ventures are dope.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AngryBlackMan on July 07, 2019, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: SirPizzaSlayer on July 07, 2019, 08:21:46 AM
Does anyone know if thunder bushings can go in Indy’s? I also want to know why the thunder hollow Forged are so low. I’ve clipped so many cones and fallen because of how low they are and they feel super fucking wonky. I put a 1/8 riser but I don’t know if that’s helped at all.

I run thunder bushings(97a) in my indys with flat washers because they don't make the Indy super hard bushings in conical. They work great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on July 07, 2019, 02:20:13 PM
Quote from: SirPizzaSlayer on July 07, 2019, 08:21:46 AM
Does anyone know if thunder bushings can go in Indy’s? I also want to know why the thunder hollow Forged are so low. I’ve clipped so many cones and fallen because of how low they are and they feel super fucking wonky. I put a 1/8 riser but I don’t know if that’s helped at all.

Thunder bottom bushings are taller than indy bushings. Indys do sell conical bushings that are similar to thunder bushings.

I'm not a fan of forged baseplates either, it's kinda strange how a difference 1mm makes. Thunder team hollows might be your best bet if you like hollow trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on July 07, 2019, 02:28:17 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on July 07, 2019, 02:20:13 PM
Quote from: SirPizzaSlayer on July 07, 2019, 08:21:46 AM
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Does anyone know if thunder bushings can go in Indy’s? I also want to know why the thunder hollow Forged are so low. I’ve clipped so many cones and fallen because of how low they are and they feel super fucking wonky. I put a 1/8 riser but I don’t know if that’s helped at all.
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Thunder bottom bushings are taller than indy bushings. Indys do sell conical bushings that are similar to thunder bushings.

I'm not a fan of forged baseplates either, it's kinda strange how a difference 1mm makes. Thunder team hollows might be your best bet if you like hollow trucks.
hate how low they are, perhaps next time cuz I need a brake from thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: plasticsurgerydisasters on July 07, 2019, 03:10:14 PM
Quote from: Roisto on July 07, 2019, 01:13:21 PM
Quote from: plasticsurgerydisasters on July 07, 2019, 12:49:27 PM
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what are the chances that venture would ever make a truck with an 8.75 axle? all this venture talk has make me want to try them but I usually run 159 indy’s.
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It's coming. Was in some new catalog already. Can't remember when though but it has been mentioned here somewhere.
hell yeah, thank you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on July 08, 2019, 05:44:54 AM
Does anyone ever switch their back/front trucks up after awhile to get a full u-shape all the way down to that axle or would you consider that a major violation and cheating? I always get deep backside grooves but never as much frontside because I suck at frontside grinds on coping.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on July 08, 2019, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 08, 2019, 05:44:54 AM
Does anyone ever switch their back/front trucks up after awhile to get a full u-shape all the way down to that axle or would you consider that a major violation and cheating? I always get deep backside grooves but never as much frontside because I suck at frontside grinds on coping.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on July 08, 2019, 09:51:07 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 08, 2019, 05:44:54 AM
Does anyone ever switch their back/front trucks up after awhile to get a full u-shape all the way down to that axle or would you consider that a major violation and cheating? I always get deep backside grooves but never as much frontside because I suck at frontside grinds on coping.

I think it's a sign that you should try front truck grinds more. But if it extends the usage of your trucks, fuck it and do you
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 08, 2019, 12:16:22 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 07, 2019, 07:21:53 AM
If Ace low bushings fit Indys, I assume they will fit Ventures as well.  Going to pick some up when I get a chance because it could be amazing

ACE Lo Tops fit great, they are lower than stock and after market Indy tops. And you don't have to crank shit down.

ACE lo bottoms are lower than stock AND aftermarket indy | Height = Stock Indy > After market Indy > Ace low bottoms

ACE regs bottoms are the same height as stock Indys (and taller than Indy aftermarkets; not sure why the aftermarket bottoms are lower than stock)

I'm running regs ACE bottoms and lo ACE tops in my TI Indys. Feels great and I'll not run anything else in them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dwyck on July 08, 2019, 12:42:24 PM
i got stuck in sf with no trucks so i just bought indy 149s and am running stock bushings really loose for the first time in a decade, when i get back home i want to blow these bushings out, buy several sets of like, doh dohs or something, and forged baseplates
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on July 08, 2019, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: Dwyck on July 08, 2019, 12:42:24 PM
i got stuck in sf with no trucks so i just bought indy 149s and am running stock bushings really loose for the first time in a decade, when i get back home i want to blow these bushings out, buy several sets of like, doh dohs or something, and forged baseplates
where do you get doh doh’s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on July 08, 2019, 02:43:12 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 08, 2019, 12:16:22 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 07, 2019, 07:21:53 AM
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If Ace low bushings fit Indys, I assume they will fit Ventures as well.  Going to pick some up when I get a chance because it could be amazing
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ACE Lo Tops fit great, they are lower than stock and after market Indy tops. And you don't have to crank shit down.

ACE lo bottoms are lower than stock AND aftermarket indy | Height = Stock Indy > After market Indy > Ace low bottoms

ACE regs bottoms are the same height as stock Indys (and taller than Indy aftermarkets; not sure why the aftermarket bottoms are lower than stock)

I'm running regs ACE bottoms and lo ACE tops in my TI Indys. Feels great and I'll not run anything else in them.

This seems to be the combo that would fit most truck brands best. The Ace bottom bushing contains about 85% of the magic, so if you don't want to have to buy two sets of bushings go with the Ace regular and just use any top that fits and you'll still get a similar feel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: redcurb12 on July 08, 2019, 04:53:05 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 05, 2019, 02:25:44 PM
if you skate 8's more: 139, if you skate 8.125 more: 144's...

turns out i had a pair of standard indy 144's sitting in a shoebox so I set them up on an 8.125. while grinding and cruising felt great.. the setup felt a little wide for me. so now it's a toss-up between 139 indy, ace 33's or just get some new theeves. i was considering thunder 147 but it looks like they push the wheelbase out a little more than i'd feel comfortable. thanks everyone for the suggestions.

does anyone happen to know the wb difference between ace and theeve? is it relatively the same?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 08, 2019, 07:23:06 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 06, 2019, 09:24:29 PM
What kind of pivot cups work best with thunders?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 08, 2019, 07:25:17 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 08, 2019, 12:16:22 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 07, 2019, 07:21:53 AM
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If Ace low bushings fit Indys, I assume they will fit Ventures as well.  Going to pick some up when I get a chance because it could be amazing
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ACE Lo Tops fit great, they are lower than stock and after market Indy tops. And you don't have to crank shit down.

ACE lo bottoms are lower than stock AND aftermarket indy | Height = Stock Indy > After market Indy > Ace low bottoms

ACE regs bottoms are the same height as stock Indys (and taller than Indy aftermarkets; not sure why the aftermarket bottoms are lower than stock)

I'm running regs ACE bottoms and lo ACE tops in my TI Indys. Feels great and I'll not run anything else in them.

damn.  might give it a shot in my ventures but I'll probably try the supercush first
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dwyck on July 09, 2019, 11:15:26 AM
Quote from: SirPizzaSlayer on July 08, 2019, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: Dwyck on July 08, 2019, 12:42:24 PM
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i got stuck in sf with no trucks so i just bought indy 149s and am running stock bushings really loose for the first time in a decade, when i get back home i want to blow these bushings out, buy several sets of like, doh dohs or something, and forged baseplates
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where do you get doh doh’s

im gonna call a bunch of shops in ny or just hit skateparkoftampa.com
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Heather Chandler on July 09, 2019, 01:52:04 PM
Sounds like Thunder is coming out with a 169 equivalent soon.  Per a June 25th post/comment on Thunder's IG. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on July 09, 2019, 07:31:42 PM
Adding to that, i saw a peek at venture 6.1s

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(https://i.ibb.co/8K1wn0D/IMG-0622.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 09, 2019, 09:48:00 PM
Go on.....both of you....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Reese on July 10, 2019, 05:52:33 AM
That's hot
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on July 10, 2019, 06:13:01 AM
Damn now Indy isn’t the only ones to offer variety  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on July 10, 2019, 06:51:42 AM
6.1? So that means an axle of how many inches?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on July 10, 2019, 06:56:54 AM
Quote from: moonordie on July 10, 2019, 06:51:42 AM
6.1? So that means an axle of how many inches?

Somewhere around 8.75-9
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on July 10, 2019, 08:16:38 AM
My madness is at full effect right now, the shop I work at just got a massive re-stock of Thunders and for the first time ever I'm a little tempted. I've had one pair of 148's in the past but never really ended up liking them, though to be fair at that time I didn't even know wheelbase was a thing (I wish it stayed that way). I've been Indy my whole life and only recently moved to Ace, which I have no problems with really. I skate a lot of tranny - obviously Thunders are known for the opposite, but does anyone that skates mostly transition have any experience with them? 149 specifically. Not carvy enough maybe? Idk.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 10, 2019, 08:34:56 AM
When I skate ramps a bunch I'm good with riding thunders tight, because I don't need to carve... Longer wheelbase is desired for transition.  Maybe a happy medium is thunder highs where the wheelbase is still a bit longer but you have some height to make the carve a bit better....

Carving...ACE is the best....but over all....for transition.....indys....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on July 10, 2019, 08:52:24 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 10, 2019, 08:34:56 AM
When I skate ramps a bunch I'm good with riding thunders tight, because I don't need to carve... Longer wheelbase is desired for transition.  Maybe a happy medium is thunder highs where the wheelbase is still a bit longer but you have some height to make the carve a bit better....

Carving...ACE is the best....but over all....for transition.....indys....

Yeah I ride my trucks quite loose with 56's, but I'd run them with 1/8" risers. I don't know what it is but suddenly they're super appealing, been trying to get more tech lately I suppose. While ACE and a 14.1 wheelbase is fun and all, I'm starting to want a little more stability. I mean worst case I end up hating them and put them in the cupboard haha.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on July 10, 2019, 09:06:47 AM
Quote from: arrbee on July 10, 2019, 06:56:54 AM
Quote from: moonordie on July 10, 2019, 06:51:42 AM
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6.1? So that means an axle of how many inches?
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Somewhere around 8.75-9
(https://i.imgur.com/LY7GFUjl.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on July 10, 2019, 09:16:29 AM
Good for people who likes Venture, I hated mine. They're just not for me, same thing with Ace which I loved but I sucked even more than usual while riding them. Now back to good ol Indy's, hollow forged, and I got my crap bsc so I'm pretty happy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on July 10, 2019, 10:36:52 AM
Quote from: texasplant on July 10, 2019, 08:16:38 AM
My madness is at full effect right now, the shop I work at just got a massive re-stock of Thunders and for the first time ever I'm a little tempted. I've had one pair of 148's in the past but never really ended up liking them, though to be fair at that time I didn't even know wheelbase was a thing (I wish it stayed that way). I've been Indy my whole life and only recently moved to Ace, which I have no problems with really. I skate a lot of tranny - obviously Thunders are known for the opposite, but does anyone that skates mostly transition have any experience with them? 149 specifically. Not carvy enough maybe? Idk.

I don't get why people think Thunders are no good for tranny. With the right bushing and riser combo they are great. I really like 151s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on July 10, 2019, 10:40:00 AM
Quote from: arrbee on July 10, 2019, 09:06:47 AM
Quote from: arrbee on July 10, 2019, 06:56:54 AM
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6.1? So that means an axle of how many inches?
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Somewhere around 8.75-9
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(https://i.imgur.com/LY7GFUjl.jpg)
holy hell thats a big truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 10, 2019, 10:59:03 AM
Quote from: arrbee on July 10, 2019, 09:06:47 AM
Quote from: arrbee on July 10, 2019, 06:56:54 AM
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Quote from: moonordie on July 10, 2019, 06:51:42 AM
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6.1? So that means an axle of how many inches?
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Somewhere around 8.75-9
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(https://i.imgur.com/LY7GFUjl.jpg)

maybe 144p can give us the low down on a release date.  DLX told me fall but with them appearing in the wild, hopefully it's sooner
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on July 10, 2019, 11:03:06 AM
Quote from: SirPizzaSlayer on July 10, 2019, 10:40:00 AM
Quote from: arrbee on July 10, 2019, 09:06:47 AM
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Quote from: arrbee on July 10, 2019, 06:56:54 AM
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Quote from: moonordie on July 10, 2019, 06:51:42 AM
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6.1? So that means an axle of how many inches?
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Somewhere around 8.75-9
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holy hell thats a big truck.

Same size as the thunder 151, still not an Indy 215
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: redcurb12 on July 10, 2019, 11:12:13 AM
anyone know the wheelbase difference between ace and theeve?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 10, 2019, 11:34:55 AM
Quote from: redcurb12 on July 10, 2019, 11:12:13 AM
anyone know the wheelbase difference between ace and theeve?

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fq4An-DEfqc/T8URoZ_4GFI/AAAAAAAAAs8/MCWo3sQAtcg/s1600/149+axle+placement.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 10, 2019, 11:41:37 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 10, 2019, 10:59:03 AM
Quote from: arrbee on July 10, 2019, 09:06:47 AM
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Quote from: arrbee on July 10, 2019, 06:56:54 AM
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Quote from: moonordie on July 10, 2019, 06:51:42 AM
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6.1? So that means an axle of how many inches?
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Somewhere around 8.75-9
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(https://i.imgur.com/LY7GFUjl.jpg)
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maybe 144p can give us the low down on a release date.  DLX told me fall but with them appearing in the wild, hopefully it's sooner

And a review!! With the elongating effect of Ventures, I get even more lame (and I’m plenty lame) about short wb. So I hope I find some wide short boards.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 10, 2019, 11:45:59 AM
I just switched from a 14.25 to 14.1 wheelbase with the same Thunder 148 ti lights. I notice on this deck I seem to land squirrely on everything (a bit of a wiggle). While I do suck, is this possibly a sign of too short of a WB for my height/style?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 10, 2019, 11:55:00 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 10, 2019, 11:45:59 AM
I just switched from a 14.25 to 14.1 wheelbase with the same Thunder 148 ti lights. I notice on this deck I seem to land squirrely on everything (a bit of a wiggle). While I do suck, is this possibly a sign of too short of a WB for my height/style?

Maybe? Someone else chime in please? I just notice wb on pop, maneuverability. I also suck. I would be interested in hearing more board sizing theories. Generally that has led me away from what I needed, but it was all interesting. The vast majority of board dimension to body sizing info I’ve seen ends up concluding that minimal board length should be 36”
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on July 10, 2019, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on July 09, 2019, 07:31:42 PM
Adding to that, i saw a peek at venture 6.1s

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(https://i.ibb.co/8K1wn0D/IMG-0622.png)


kinda interesting that this looks baseplate specific.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: redcurb12 on July 10, 2019, 12:20:50 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 10, 2019, 11:34:55 AM
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anyone know the wheelbase difference between ace and theeve?
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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fq4An-DEfqc/T8URoZ_4GFI/AAAAAAAAAs8/MCWo3sQAtcg/s1600/149+axle+placement.jpg)

dude thank you
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on July 10, 2019, 12:28:59 PM
Quote from: Ok on July 10, 2019, 11:55:00 AM
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I just switched from a 14.25 to 14.1 wheelbase with the same Thunder 148 ti lights. I notice on this deck I seem to land squirrely on everything (a bit of a wiggle). While I do suck, is this possibly a sign of too short of a WB for my height/style?
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Maybe? Someone else chime in please? I just notice wb on pop, maneuverability. I also suck. I would be interested in hearing more board sizing theories. Generally that has led me away from what I needed, but it was all interesting. The vast majority of board dimension to body sizing info I’ve seen ends up concluding that minimal board length should be 36”

i dunno, but I generally notice guys like Austyn, Daan, Lucas (sometimes), Gilbert, Max Palmer all ride boards where it looks like they have tons of room (i.e. longer boards) to play around with different foot placements.  i have no idea what the mechanic's are around it, but they make it look good. 

whereas busenitz, suciu, silas, worrest, hjalte, ishod, kenny (when he's skating a regular non-shaped deck), all ride boards that look like they fit just-right... as in, there's not a ton of room for moving their feet around on the board. but sometimes you see them change it up a bit.

and then guys like Kalis, Lucien clarke, and others skate boards that look pretty short and constrained as to the ability to play with their foot placement... which they have dialed, and dont need to adjust much anyways 

this answers nothing, but just provides something of an aesthetic take on WB
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 10, 2019, 12:42:46 PM
Quote from: art hellman on July 10, 2019, 12:28:59 PM
Quote from: Ok on July 10, 2019, 11:55:00 AM
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Quote from: ballintoohard on July 10, 2019, 11:45:59 AM
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I just switched from a 14.25 to 14.1 wheelbase with the same Thunder 148 ti lights. I notice on this deck I seem to land squirrely on everything (a bit of a wiggle). While I do suck, is this possibly a sign of too short of a WB for my height/style?
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Maybe? Someone else chime in please? I just notice wb on pop, maneuverability. I also suck. I would be interested in hearing more board sizing theories. Generally that has led me away from what I needed, but it was all interesting. The vast majority of board dimension to body sizing info I’ve seen ends up concluding that minimal board length should be 36”
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i dunno, but I generally notice guys like Austyn, Daan, Lucas (sometimes), Gilbert, Max Palmer all ride boards where it looks like they have tons of room (i.e. longer boards) to play around with different foot placements.  i have no idea what the mechanic's are around it, but they make it look good. 

whereas busenitz, suciu, silas, worrest, hjalte, ishod, kenny (when he's skating a regular non-shaped deck), all ride boards that look like they fit just-right... as in, there's not a ton of room for moving their feet around on the board. but sometimes you see them change it up a bit.

and then guys like Kalis, Lucien clarke, and others skate boards that look pretty short and constrained as to the ability to play with their foot placement... which they have dialed, and dont need to adjust much anyways 

this answers nothing, but just provides something of an aesthetic take on WB

Dope post. True now that I think about it, re: board lengths especially those that you pointed out with the shorter boards.

Ultimately I’ll skate whatever, I just want something to complain about when it comes to treflips.

Some astute studying has been done
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on July 10, 2019, 12:43:53 PM
Quote from: BL0B on July 10, 2019, 12:06:32 PM
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Adding to that, i saw a peek at venture 6.1s

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kinda interesting that this looks baseplate specific.

Is that not the bottom of the hanger through the base plate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: redcurb12 on July 10, 2019, 12:48:55 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 10, 2019, 11:45:59 AM
I just switched from a 14.25 to 14.1 wheelbase with the same Thunder 148 ti lights. I notice on this deck I seem to land squirrely on everything (a bit of a wiggle). While I do suck, is this possibly a sign of too short of a WB for my height/style?

a shorter wheelbase is going to be less stable but it's going to be hard to determine if your "squirrely" landings are a direct cause of this. something like the length of your tail can also change the way your board feels. so if the board also has a shorter tail AND a shorter wheelbase your feet could be closer together than you're used to.. and that can have an effect on your balance. having said that.. it could also just be your own shortcomings on a bad couple sessions.

14.1 is a pretty short wheelbase but paired with those thunders it should be a decent balance. it just won't feel the same because the wheelbase is shorter and the deck probably has a different tail/nose length, kicks, concave etc than your last deck

i think the best way to determine would be to measure your other deck, set it up and see if you really notice a difference in stability.



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oneOone on July 10, 2019, 01:26:45 PM
The madness caught me again, switched from Venture Low hollow lights to the Titanium highs. I think they are a litlle bit too high and the lows too low.
I think the perfect mix would be the low ones with the cast baaeplate and hollow kingpin like the Thunder Titanium Team issues.

I do not want to get back to Thunders as I rolled my ankles only with Thunders in the last years.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 10, 2019, 01:33:38 PM
Hypnotist or Theeve.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on July 10, 2019, 01:52:56 PM
Quote from: Ok on July 10, 2019, 11:55:00 AM
The vast majority of board dimension to body sizing info I’ve seen ends up concluding that minimal board length should be 36”

https://www.earthwingboards.com/product-page/hope-36

Have at it and let us know.

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/19d59c_c64c3e3d46f24fdc876a84d7aaa6643e~mv2.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on July 10, 2019, 02:22:43 PM
Quote from: arrbee on July 10, 2019, 12:43:53 PM
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Quote from: Paco Supreme on July 09, 2019, 07:31:42 PM
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Adding to that, i saw a peek at venture 6.1s

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(https://i.ibb.co/8K1wn0D/IMG-0622.png)
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kinda interesting that this looks baseplate specific.
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Is that not the bottom of the hanger through the base plate?



ah,  i haven't had Ventures in ages.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 10, 2019, 02:35:19 PM
Quote from: texasplant on July 10, 2019, 08:16:38 AM
My madness is at full effect right now, the shop I work at just got a massive re-stock of Thunders and for the first time ever I'm a little tempted. I've had one pair of 148's in the past but never really ended up liking them, though to be fair at that time I didn't even know wheelbase was a thing (I wish it stayed that way). I've been Indy my whole life and only recently moved to Ace, which I have no problems with really. I skate a lot of tranny - obviously Thunders are known for the opposite, but does anyone that skates mostly transition have any experience with them? 149 specifically. Not carvy enough maybe? Idk.

Cody Lockwood and Chris Miller absolutely destroy bowls on Thunders.

I ride loose and could never get Thunders to feel 'right' on transition when carving...did they work? For sure but they require a  bit more....control  ::)

ACE and Thunder could not feel more different in bowls. Skating ACEs in bowls are more forgiving, more fluid; I can hang on and turn away and recover from bailing if I hit a pocket wrong, with Thunders I eat shit (and moreso due to wheelbite). I skate sketchy as fuck (fast too) so something like a Thunder or Venture won't work for me as I need the carve ability to save my ass :P I prefer Thunders on street though (height+stability).

If you like ACEs in bowls, 149 Thunders won't make you love them, nor will adding a riser, it's the Geometry. Now if you ride tight (I think Miller does) then it honestly doesn't matter what fucking truck you ride really.

Non-popular opinion: Try Theeve. They and carve faster than indy (slower than ACE) but are more stable on center than indy (like a Thunder), especially if you ride on the tighter end of the spectrum.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 10, 2019, 02:51:07 PM
Quote from: redcurb12 on July 10, 2019, 12:48:55 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 10, 2019, 11:45:59 AM
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I just switched from a 14.25 to 14.1 wheelbase with the same Thunder 148 ti lights. I notice on this deck I seem to land squirrely on everything (a bit of a wiggle). While I do suck, is this possibly a sign of too short of a WB for my height/style?
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a shorter wheelbase is going to be less stable but it's going to be hard to determine if your "squirrely" landings are a direct cause of this. something like the length of your tail can also change the way your board feels. so if the board also has a shorter tail AND a shorter wheelbase your feet could be closer together than you're used to.. and that can have an effect on your balance. having said that.. it could also just be your own shortcomings on a bad couple sessions.

14.1 is a pretty short wheelbase but paired with those thunders it should be a decent balance. it just won't feel the same because the wheelbase is shorter and the deck probably has a different tail/nose length, kicks, concave etc than your last deck

i think the best way to determine would be to measure your other deck, set it up and see if you really notice a difference in stability.
Prior decks have all been 35th North branded DLX Full SE 8.25 with a 14.25WB, just under 32in, 6.7 tail, hair under 7 nose. I am now on a Grimple Stix 8.28x31.6 (i think) with the 14.1 wheelbase. The kicks seem just about as steep, has slightly more concave.  First time skating it.

One thing I notice is how far forward my front foot is to get the manual sweet spot. I'm actually considering a DLX full 8.06-8.18 or so and giving myself more length.  Historically I felt and skated the best on Polar 8.5's with Ace's minus flip tricks so I sized down a bit.  Ace's on a smaller wheelbase feel outta control and I was ghost popping a lot.

I skated the prior decks (3 of em) with Indy's, Ventures, and Thunders. Overall I think the Thunders was the best combo aside from manuals and I got way less wheelbite than with Indys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: redcurb12 on July 10, 2019, 03:54:30 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 10, 2019, 02:51:07 PM
Quote from: redcurb12 on July 10, 2019, 12:48:55 PM
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Quote from: ballintoohard on July 10, 2019, 11:45:59 AM
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I just switched from a 14.25 to 14.1 wheelbase with the same Thunder 148 ti lights. I notice on this deck I seem to land squirrely on everything (a bit of a wiggle). While I do suck, is this possibly a sign of too short of a WB for my height/style?
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a shorter wheelbase is going to be less stable but it's going to be hard to determine if your "squirrely" landings are a direct cause of this. something like the length of your tail can also change the way your board feels. so if the board also has a shorter tail AND a shorter wheelbase your feet could be closer together than you're used to.. and that can have an effect on your balance. having said that.. it could also just be your own shortcomings on a bad couple sessions.

14.1 is a pretty short wheelbase but paired with those thunders it should be a decent balance. it just won't feel the same because the wheelbase is shorter and the deck probably has a different tail/nose length, kicks, concave etc than your last deck

i think the best way to determine would be to measure your other deck, set it up and see if you really notice a difference in stability.
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Prior decks have all been 35th North branded DLX Full SE 8.25 with a 14.25WB, just under 32in, 6.7 tail, hair under 7 nose. I am now on a Grimple Stix 8.28x31.6 (i think) with the 14.1 wheelbase. The kicks seem just about as steep, has slightly more concave.  First time skating it.

One thing I notice is how far forward my front foot is to get the manual sweet spot. I'm actually considering a DLX full 8.06-8.18 or so and giving myself more length.  Historically I felt and skated the best on Polar 8.5's with Ace's minus flip tricks so I sized down a bit.  Ace's on a smaller wheelbase feel outta control and I was ghost popping a lot.

I skated the prior decks (3 of em) with Indy's, Ventures, and Thunders. Overall I think the Thunders was the best combo aside from manuals and I got way less wheelbite than with Indys.

could be hard to get used to considering this setup is a lot shorter than your last 3 boards. why not stick to 14.25wb/32 length on thunders? that sounds like a great setup and one that's been working for you. don't worry about matching your board dimensions to your height... it really comes more down to personal preference. go with what feels right
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 10, 2019, 05:33:20 PM
The madness dude, the madness. "Doing well on" is different than "Could do better on". There's so many variables now that I have no clue if I'm trending in the right direction.

Also I do not live in Seattle so I wanted to get boards approximately the same dimensions so I don't have to rely on just 1 board and shape.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 10, 2019, 05:34:14 PM
Quote from: redcurb12 on July 10, 2019, 03:54:30 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 10, 2019, 02:51:07 PM
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Quote from: redcurb12 on July 10, 2019, 12:48:55 PM
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Quote from: ballintoohard on July 10, 2019, 11:45:59 AM
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I just switched from a 14.25 to 14.1 wheelbase with the same Thunder 148 ti lights. I notice on this deck I seem to land squirrely on everything (a bit of a wiggle). While I do suck, is this possibly a sign of too short of a WB for my height/style?
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a shorter wheelbase is going to be less stable but it's going to be hard to determine if your "squirrely" landings are a direct cause of this. something like the length of your tail can also change the way your board feels. so if the board also has a shorter tail AND a shorter wheelbase your feet could be closer together than you're used to.. and that can have an effect on your balance. having said that.. it could also just be your own shortcomings on a bad couple sessions.

14.1 is a pretty short wheelbase but paired with those thunders it should be a decent balance. it just won't feel the same because the wheelbase is shorter and the deck probably has a different tail/nose length, kicks, concave etc than your last deck

i think the best way to determine would be to measure your other deck, set it up and see if you really notice a difference in stability.
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Prior decks have all been 35th North branded DLX Full SE 8.25 with a 14.25WB, just under 32in, 6.7 tail, hair under 7 nose. I am now on a Grimple Stix 8.28x31.6 (i think) with the 14.1 wheelbase. The kicks seem just about as steep, has slightly more concave.  First time skating it.

One thing I notice is how far forward my front foot is to get the manual sweet spot. I'm actually considering a DLX full 8.06-8.18 or so and giving myself more length.  Historically I felt and skated the best on Polar 8.5's with Ace's minus flip tricks so I sized down a bit.  Ace's on a smaller wheelbase feel outta control and I was ghost popping a lot.

I skated the prior decks (3 of em) with Indy's, Ventures, and Thunders. Overall I think the Thunders was the best combo aside from manuals and I got way less wheelbite than with Indys.
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could be hard to get used to considering this setup is a lot shorter than your last 3 boards. why not stick to 14.25wb/32 length on thunders? that sounds like a great setup and one that's been working for you. don't worry about matching your board dimensions to your height... it really comes more down to personal preference. go with what feels right

I tried a number of combos and thunders on the dlx 8.25 SE was fucking great.

On the flipside the dlx 14.375 wb is magical with Indy's.

Head hurts...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on July 10, 2019, 08:29:00 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 10, 2019, 02:35:19 PM
Quote from: texasplant on July 10, 2019, 08:16:38 AM
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My madness is at full effect right now, the shop I work at just got a massive re-stock of Thunders and for the first time ever I'm a little tempted. I've had one pair of 148's in the past but never really ended up liking them, though to be fair at that time I didn't even know wheelbase was a thing (I wish it stayed that way). I've been Indy my whole life and only recently moved to Ace, which I have no problems with really. I skate a lot of tranny - obviously Thunders are known for the opposite, but does anyone that skates mostly transition have any experience with them? 149 specifically. Not carvy enough maybe? Idk.
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Cody Lockwood and Chris Miller absolutely destroy bowls on Thunders.


I ride loose and could never get Thunders to feel 'right' on transition when carving...did they work? For sure but they require a  bit more....control  ::)

ACE and Thunder could not feel more different in bowls. Skating ACEs in bowls are more forgiving, more fluid; I can hang on and turn away and recover from bailing if I hit a pocket wrong, with Thunders I eat shit (and moreso due to wheelbite). I skate sketchy as fuck (fast too) so something like a Thunder or Venture won't work for me as I need the carve ability to save my ass :P I prefer Thunders on street though (height+stability).

If you like ACEs in bowls, 149 Thunders won't make you love them, nor will adding a riser, it's the Geometry. Now if you ride tight (I think Miller does) then it honestly doesn't matter what fucking truck you ride really.

Non-popular opinion: Try Theeve. They and carve faster than indy (slower than ACE) but are more stable on center than indy (like a Thunder), especially if you ride on the tighter end of the spectrum.

Ace are definitely better on round wall but Thunders can be amazing once you dial them in. I switch between Ace 44, Thunder 151 and Ace 55 and I have to say its not a problem at all. Sure, it feels different but my main point here is Thunder can be very good truck for all round skateboarding. As for risers... risers absolutely do change the way a truck turns and feels. You are going to get a deeper more responsive turn if you destabilize a Thunder with a riser or two. Anyway, until Ace come out with an 8.75" truck, I'll still bust out the 151s from time to time.

I should add, the only difficulty I have is the timing on flatground pop because of where the axles sit on Ace vs Thunder but that's only a session or two of adjustment.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 10, 2019, 11:10:52 PM
I'm constantly swapping out ACE and Thunders; If I'm hitting the bowl park, ACEs, the street park? Thunders. The little bit of both park? I usually stay with thunders. I like low trucks.

At a local park, using thunders I pitch myself due to wheelbite damn near every time doing a 50/50 (not on top, but around) a certain pocket in a speed line, and I've not once pitched due to wheel bite running ace or indy/theeve (always a 53/52mm wheel) in that same line, same spot. I can do that line without thinking on the other trucks but thunders...it's like I forget I'm riding thunders and go for the line like I would with those other trucks in mind but it doesn't work the same and I die.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nth syd bear on July 10, 2019, 11:46:52 PM
This thread is not healthy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on July 11, 2019, 12:38:14 AM
Ended up picking up 149’s and skated them briefly at the local mini. I’ve started skating smaller wheelbases lately and loving having a shorter board but the Thunders keep it nice and stable. Chucked some risers on just in case and definitely not hating how they turn yet, we’ll see what they’re like with wheelbite when I can take them out more.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: clintendo on July 11, 2019, 03:32:08 AM
Quote from: Xen on July 10, 2019, 02:35:19 PM
Quote from: texasplant on July 10, 2019, 08:16:38 AM
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My madness is at full effect right now, the shop I work at just got a massive re-stock of Thunders and for the first time ever I'm a little tempted. I've had one pair of 148's in the past but never really ended up liking them, though to be fair at that time I didn't even know wheelbase was a thing (I wish it stayed that way). I've been Indy my whole life and only recently moved to Ace, which I have no problems with really. I skate a lot of tranny - obviously Thunders are known for the opposite, but does anyone that skates mostly transition have any experience with them? 149 specifically. Not carvy enough maybe? Idk.
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Cody Lockwood and Chris Miller absolutely destroy bowls on Thunders.

I ride loose and could never get Thunders to feel 'right' on transition when carving...did they work? For sure but they require a  bit more....control  ::)

ACE and Thunder could not feel more different in bowls. Skating ACEs in bowls are more forgiving, more fluid; I can hang on and turn away and recover from bailing if I hit a pocket wrong, with Thunders I eat shit (and moreso due to wheelbite). I skate sketchy as fuck (fast too) so something like a Thunder or Venture won't work for me as I need the carve ability to save my ass :P I prefer Thunders on street though (height+stability).

If you like ACEs in bowls, 149 Thunders won't make you love them, nor will adding a riser, it's the Geometry. Now if you ride tight (I think Miller does) then it honestly doesn't matter what fucking truck you ride really.

Non-popular opinion: Try Theeve. They and carve faster than indy (slower than ACE) but are more stable on center than indy (like a Thunder), especially if you ride on the tighter end of the spectrum.

Pretty much nailed it here, turn better than indy's and can be easily stabled when riding them loose, a see a lot of their team guys who skate bowl have one rattling loose but then you stand on them they still feels stable when rolling.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on July 11, 2019, 08:27:33 AM
Quote from: texasplant on July 11, 2019, 12:38:14 AM
Ended up picking up 149’s and skated them briefly at the local mini. I’ve started skating smaller wheelbases lately and loving having a shorter board but the Thunders keep it nice and stable. Chucked some risers on just in case and definitely not hating how they turn yet, we’ll see what they’re like with wheelbite when I can take them out more.

I personally think a 1/8 riser makes Thunders turn better.

Very curious about the new Thunder 161? I wonder if it will be higher... It might have to be...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on July 12, 2019, 05:55:52 PM
Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on July 11, 2019, 08:27:33 AM

I personally think a 1/8 riser makes Thunders turn better.

Very curious about the new Thunder 161? I wonder if it will be higher... It might have to be...

I think the riser might be why I’m liking them more than I did the last time I had a set. Anyone have any tips on how to get them looser without the kingpin nut barely being screwed down?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 12, 2019, 07:07:49 PM
Quote from: texasplant on July 12, 2019, 05:55:52 PM
Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on July 11, 2019, 08:27:33 AM
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I personally think a 1/8 riser makes Thunders turn better.

Very curious about the new Thunder 161? I wonder if it will be higher... It might have to be...
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I think the riser might be why I’m liking them more than I did the last time I had a set. Anyone have any tips on how to get them looser without the kingpin nut barely being screwed down?

Softer top bushing.
Sand down softer top bushing.

A lo top bushing.
Sand down lo top bushing.

A soft, lo top bushing.
Sand down soft, lo top bushing.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank on July 12, 2019, 07:17:08 PM
getting some venture 5.6 tomorrow. excited about trying them out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on July 13, 2019, 12:35:22 AM
Messaged the Venture insta and they said 5.6 v-hollows will come by autumn... so I’m happy :) can finally try 8 decks to my satisfaction ha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 13, 2019, 06:54:37 AM
We're still talking highs though yeah?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: WideFeet on July 14, 2019, 06:25:44 AM
I’ve been skating Indy’s for the past 13 years and want to see what else is out there.

I really care about is wheelbase. Until I read this thread, I never knew some truck fuck with your wheelbase.

Can anyone give me the run down as to what trucks do what to your wheelbase? Which trucks make your wheelbase shorter? Which ones make your wheelbase longer?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on July 14, 2019, 07:05:07 AM
Quote from: WideFeet on July 14, 2019, 06:25:44 AM
I’ve been skating Indy’s for the past 13 years and want to see what else is out there.

I really care about is wheelbase. Until I read this thread, I never knew some truck fuck with your wheelbase.

Can anyone give me the run down as to what trucks do what to your wheelbase? Which trucks make your wheelbase shorter? Which ones make your wheelbase longer?

Thunders and Ventures extend your wheelbase compared to Indys, by about a quarter of an inch on the same deck. Aces shrink your wheelbase relative to Indys, but just a very tiny bit. All other trucks suck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on July 14, 2019, 07:08:15 AM
Quote from: WideFeet on July 14, 2019, 06:25:44 AM
I’ve been skating Indy’s for the past 13 years and want to see what else is out there.

I really care about is wheelbase. Until I read this thread, I never knew some truck fuck with your wheelbase.

Can anyone give me the run down as to what trucks do what to your wheelbase? Which trucks make your wheelbase shorter? Which ones make your wheelbase longer?

From my understanding, Venture will stretch your wheelbase the most, then Thunder, then Indy, the Ace. Though I'm not quite sure about Theeve/Krux/Mini Logo if anyone wants to fill in the blanks. I'm especially curious about Theeve compared to Ace.

edit: beaten to it haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 14, 2019, 07:12:05 AM
Quote from: texasplant on July 14, 2019, 07:08:15 AM
Quote from: WideFeet on July 14, 2019, 06:25:44 AM
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I’ve been skating Indy’s for the past 13 years and want to see what else is out there.

I really care about is wheelbase. Until I read this thread, I never knew some truck fuck with your wheelbase.

Can anyone give me the run down as to what trucks do what to your wheelbase? Which trucks make your wheelbase shorter? Which ones make your wheelbase longer?
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From my understanding, Venture will stretch your wheelbase the most, then Thunder, then Indy, the Ace. Though I'm not quite sure about Theeve/Krux/Mini Logo if anyone wants to fill in the blanks. I'm especially curious about Theeve compared to Ace.

edit: beaten to it haha

Everyone bookmark this

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fq4An-DEfqc/T8URoZ_4GFI/AAAAAAAAAs8/MCWo3sQAtcg/s1600/149+axle+placement.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on July 14, 2019, 07:28:27 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 14, 2019, 07:12:05 AM
Quote from: texasplant on July 14, 2019, 07:08:15 AM
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Quote from: WideFeet on July 14, 2019, 06:25:44 AM
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I’ve been skating Indy’s for the past 13 years and want to see what else is out there.

I really care about is wheelbase. Until I read this thread, I never knew some truck fuck with your wheelbase.

Can anyone give me the run down as to what trucks do what to your wheelbase? Which trucks make your wheelbase shorter? Which ones make your wheelbase longer?
[close]

From my understanding, Venture will stretch your wheelbase the most, then Thunder, then Indy, the Ace. Though I'm not quite sure about Theeve/Krux/Mini Logo if anyone wants to fill in the blanks. I'm especially curious about Theeve compared to Ace.

edit: beaten to it haha
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Everyone bookmark this

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fq4An-DEfqc/T8URoZ_4GFI/AAAAAAAAAs8/MCWo3sQAtcg/s1600/149+axle+placement.jpg)
What about the Venture 5.2 low!?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 14, 2019, 07:40:24 AM
Quote from: Idk on July 14, 2019, 07:28:27 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 14, 2019, 07:12:05 AM
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Quote from: texasplant on July 14, 2019, 07:08:15 AM
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Quote from: WideFeet on July 14, 2019, 06:25:44 AM
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I’ve been skating Indy’s for the past 13 years and want to see what else is out there.

I really care about is wheelbase. Until I read this thread, I never knew some truck fuck with your wheelbase.

Can anyone give me the run down as to what trucks do what to your wheelbase? Which trucks make your wheelbase shorter? Which ones make your wheelbase longer?
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From my understanding, Venture will stretch your wheelbase the most, then Thunder, then Indy, the Ace. Though I'm not quite sure about Theeve/Krux/Mini Logo if anyone wants to fill in the blanks. I'm especially curious about Theeve compared to Ace.

edit: beaten to it haha
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Everyone bookmark this

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fq4An-DEfqc/T8URoZ_4GFI/AAAAAAAAAs8/MCWo3sQAtcg/s1600/149+axle+placement.jpg)
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What about the Venture 5.2 low!?

Maybe look right there in the middle where it says "Venture 5.2 low" ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on July 14, 2019, 07:52:47 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 14, 2019, 07:12:05 AM

Everyone bookmark this

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fq4An-DEfqc/T8URoZ_4GFI/AAAAAAAAAs8/MCWo3sQAtcg/s1600/149+axle+placement.jpg)

I'm going to assume the smaller sizes of Theeve's would have the same axle placement then? Thanks - bookmarked.

Unrelated - when was the last time Thunder changed their geometry? Thinking about swapping my 149 hangars out with new 148's a mate has sitting around, they would probably be two or three years old. Going into a team baseplate, I'm assuming all the hangers would be the same between the teams and lights though right?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 14, 2019, 06:10:53 PM
Been meaning to post these pics for a while. So, here's the big four 8.5" trucks and their wheelbase measurements relative to the deck. Deck has a standard 14.25" wheelbase. From shortest to longest.

Ace. Deck wheelbase +2.75"
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48285804386_0f4783cafd.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gyRnoJ)AC (https://flic.kr/p/2gyRnoJ) by J J (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144080794@N08/), on Flickr

Indy. Deck wheelbase +3"
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48285908032_16d50203f2.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gyRUcJ)IN (https://flic.kr/p/2gyRUcJ) by J J (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144080794@N08/), on Flickr

Thunder. Deck wheelbase +3.1875"
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48285803676_f883f9a355.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gyRnbu)TH (https://flic.kr/p/2gyRnbu) by J J (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144080794@N08/), on Flickr

Venture.* Deck wheelbase +3.5"
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48285803396_0f2f1cb7a8.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gyRn6E)VEN (https://flic.kr/p/2gyRn6E) by J J (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144080794@N08/), on Flickr

*These are the lights with forged plates, they extend the wheelbase farther than the cast.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 14, 2019, 07:08:11 PM
That's crazy.....it makes some sense in that the angle is less vertical and more mellow but you throw ventures on a 14 3/8's wheelbase it'll feel huge.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 14, 2019, 07:57:32 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 14, 2019, 07:08:11 PM
That's crazy.....it makes some sense in that the angle is less vertical and more mellow but you throw ventures on a 14 3/8's wheelbase it'll feel huge.

No doubt. It leaves me wondering about their new 6.1 trucks coming out. Ventures turn slow. Wider trucks by their nature have a slower and wider turning radius. I'd imagine if they keep the same wheelbase/angle geometry and widen the axle/hangers they're going to feel like a car without power steering. If they're gearing these towards wide boards and bowl riders, or generally setups where carving is important, it might be a weird experiment.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 14, 2019, 08:01:37 PM
Most DLX decks have long wheelbases as it is.

I compared my 5.6 cast to my forged and my Thunder 149 ti lites. The forged are longer by .25" and the 5.6 are maybe a hair shorter than the Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank on July 14, 2019, 09:11:27 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 14, 2019, 07:08:11 PM
That's crazy.....it makes some sense in that the angle is less vertical and more mellow but you throw ventures on a 14 3/8's wheelbase it'll feel huge.

ha i noticed that when i was cruising around earlier today on a newly set up set of ventures. i retired a set of indys. i had trouble doing chinese ollies and going into manuals required more effort. they turned nicely tho. the new board has same wheelbase than the old one with the indys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 14, 2019, 11:13:30 PM
I assume the pros skate the Hi's a lot too but just skate them super loose so you still get a bit of responsiveness. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oneOone on July 15, 2019, 12:22:28 AM
Thanks palelight for this!

Anybody tried using a Venture DLX Cast and a Hollow/Titanium hanger or does it fuck up the geometry?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 15, 2019, 01:16:08 AM
Quote from: oneOone on July 15, 2019, 12:22:28 AM
Thanks palelight for this!

Anybody tried using a Venture DLX Cast and a Hollow/Titanium hanger or does it fuck up the geometry?

No problem. If you go back to page 184 of this thread Fifty8mm posted a bunch of comparison shots of the cast vs. forged Ventures. There's some definite geometry differences between the two. Don't know if it would work but he'd be the guy to ask.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oneOone on July 15, 2019, 02:26:36 AM
Quote from: palelight on July 15, 2019, 01:16:08 AM
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Thanks palelight for this!

Anybody tried using a Venture DLX Cast and a Hollow/Titanium hanger or does it fuck up the geometry?
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No problem. If you go back to page 184 of this thread Fifty8mm posted a bunch of comparison shots of the cast vs. forged Ventures. There's some definite geometry differences between the two. Don't know if it would work but he'd be the guy to ask.

Thanks, i'll give it a try soon and report back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: In A Jar on July 15, 2019, 06:30:13 AM
I currently have the 5.8 titanium axle on cast baseplates.  Seems to skate the same as normal 5.8s to me except lighter.  There isn’t a difference in geometry between titanium and regular hangers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 15, 2019, 06:43:57 AM
I’m sure it has been posted: the difference in weight between the cast and forged plates? Probably differs from brand to brand.... A poster (hellman) was posting setups with cast plates and Indy ti hangers (I want to try this 159s, the only Indy I really, really like) and also with the ventures.
Experimenting fun
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on July 15, 2019, 07:14:03 AM
no difference in Geo, just the extended wheelbase. the only change i see is the holes on the baseplate being drilled in different positions. odd but not bad.

I switch them out all the time and the feel good. just the tad difference in the wb. I prefer the forged though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 15, 2019, 08:04:12 AM
Can someone explain to me how two hangers can be exactly the same and fit on baseplates with different geometry?  Seems incredibly odd that Venture would do this.  You would think someone would have to be off with the pivot/kingpin angle
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on July 15, 2019, 08:19:42 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 15, 2019, 08:04:12 AM
Can someone explain to me how two hangers can be exactly the same and fit on baseplates with different geometry?  Seems incredibly odd that Venture would do this.  You would think someone would have to be off with the pivot/kingpin angle

From what I understood, the mounting holes are in different positions on the cast and forged Venture baseplates. So the geometry is the same even though the wheelbase isn’t.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on July 15, 2019, 08:30:35 AM
everyone is always talking about how anything/everything messes up the geometry... but does it really?  has anyone actually mapped out the "geometry" of each truck?  has anyone confirmed the stock/standard geometry of a truck is actually the "best" geometry? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVTPwPh7ioU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVTPwPh7ioU)

seems to me "geometry" is quickly becoming the "literally" or the "a parody of itself" of the truck setups thread vernacular



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on July 15, 2019, 08:43:37 AM
Quote from: art hellman on July 15, 2019, 08:30:35 AM
everyone is always talking about how anything/everything messes up the geometry... but does it really?  has anyone actually mapped out the "geometry" of each truck?  has anyone confirmed the stock/standard geometry of a truck is actually the "best" geometry? 
There is no such thing as "best" when it comes to geometry, because the criteria is not objective, there is only "better for".

Certain geometries cause less wheel bite, turn quicker, are better for stability, etc... so one must find the geo that is "better for" what they are needing/lacking. Sometimes what people lack is mental, but sometimes their gear really is jacked up too (I saw a kid with two different model Tensors, a hi and a lo, with two different widths and random bushings that didn't fit his trucks - but he was better than half the people at the park. 99% of skateboarding is mental, but then again, this is the GEAR subsection, we aren't here to talk about the mental part).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on July 15, 2019, 09:56:59 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 15, 2019, 08:04:12 AM
Can someone explain to me how two hangers can be exactly the same and fit on baseplates with different geometry?  Seems incredibly odd that Venture would do this.  You would think someone would have to be off with the pivot/kingpin angle

no I never said that in pics I posted. the geo is the same just the mounting holes are in a different place. Im sure it changes something turning or pop.

The kingpin angle is definately the same , need to check the pivot yoke but it looks spot on both
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on July 15, 2019, 10:42:42 AM
Quote from: Firebert on July 15, 2019, 08:43:37 AM
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everyone is always talking about how anything/everything messes up the geometry... but does it really?  has anyone actually mapped out the "geometry" of each truck?  has anyone confirmed the stock/standard geometry of a truck is actually the "best" geometry? 
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There is no such thing as "best" when it comes to geometry, because the criteria is not objective, there is only "better for".


what I mean is, has anyone actually calculated/drawn the stock/standard geometry for any truck, and then actually determined through geometry whether a change in the truck (bushing, pivot cup, baseplate) actually affects the geometry in a negative (or positive) way?  are we to assume the designers of skateboard trucks are actually doing these types of calculations?   

if someone actually knew something about geometry, would they be able to explain how 1 mm lower top bushing actually changes the geometry in any appreciable way?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 15, 2019, 11:54:21 AM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on July 15, 2019, 09:56:59 AM
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Can someone explain to me how two hangers can be exactly the same and fit on baseplates with different geometry?  Seems incredibly odd that Venture would do this.  You would think someone would have to be off with the pivot/kingpin angle
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no I never said that in pics I posted. the geo is the same just the mounting holes are in a different place. Im sure it changes something turning or pop.

The kingpin angle is definately the same , need to check the pivot yoke but it looks spot on both

That makes sense.  I never actually thought of where the holes are drilled.  good info
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on July 15, 2019, 12:04:31 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 15, 2019, 11:54:21 AM
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Can someone explain to me how two hangers can be exactly the same and fit on baseplates with different geometry?  Seems incredibly odd that Venture would do this.  You would think someone would have to be off with the pivot/kingpin angle
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no I never said that in pics I posted. the geo is the same just the mounting holes are in a different place. Im sure it changes something turning or pop.

The kingpin angle is definately the same , need to check the pivot yoke but it looks spot on both
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That makes sense.  I never actually thought of where the holes are drilled.  good info

statements like those above.  how did you calculate the geometry and confirm it is the same?  why is he "sure" a change in the position mounting holes changes the turning or "pop" of the truck? 



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on July 15, 2019, 12:08:54 PM
Quote from: art hellman on July 15, 2019, 12:04:31 PM
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Can someone explain to me how two hangers can be exactly the same and fit on baseplates with different geometry?  Seems incredibly odd that Venture would do this.  You would think someone would have to be off with the pivot/kingpin angle
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no I never said that in pics I posted. the geo is the same just the mounting holes are in a different place. Im sure it changes something turning or pop.

The kingpin angle is definately the same , need to check the pivot yoke but it looks spot on both
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That makes sense.  I never actually thought of where the holes are drilled.  good info
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statements like those above.  how did you calculate the geometry and confirm it is the same?  why is he "sure" a change in the position mounting holes changes the turning or "pop" of the truck?

pretty simple. it changes the wheelbase. if the wheelbase changes the pop and turn change even if its a miniscule amount.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 15, 2019, 12:12:53 PM
Quote from: Fifty8mm on July 15, 2019, 12:08:54 PM
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Can someone explain to me how two hangers can be exactly the same and fit on baseplates with different geometry?  Seems incredibly odd that Venture would do this.  You would think someone would have to be off with the pivot/kingpin angle
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no I never said that in pics I posted. the geo is the same just the mounting holes are in a different place. Im sure it changes something turning or pop.

The kingpin angle is definately the same , need to check the pivot yoke but it looks spot on both
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That makes sense.  I never actually thought of where the holes are drilled.  good info
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statements like those above.  how did you calculate the geometry and confirm it is the same?  why is he "sure" a change in the position mounting holes changes the turning or "pop" of the truck?
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pretty simple. it changes the wheelbase. if the wheelbase changes the pop and turn change even if its a miniscule amount.

A longer wheelbase makes a larger arc when turning, shorter wheelbase makes a smaller arc (quick vs stable turning).

For pop the wheelbase has to do with leverage.

the axle height, angle of the kingpin and pivot determine the geometry of the truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 15, 2019, 12:14:24 PM
This is another forum that I frequent.  These nerds know way more than we do


http://www.middle-age-shred.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=34580


(http://www.peterverdone.com/archive/images/content/skateboard/geometry.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 15, 2019, 01:56:39 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 15, 2019, 12:14:24 PM
This is another forum that I frequent.  These nerds know way more than we do


http://www.middle-age-shred.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=34580


(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/021/464/14608107_1180665285312703_1558693314_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 15, 2019, 05:03:26 PM
Have 5.6 Ventures on an 8.06 (thought it was 8.125) right now. So far they "tip" a lot and feel loose in the first half of the turn, but don't actually tun that much. The net result is I can land a lot sloppier.

Not really sure I am liking them yet vs. Thunders. They seem to frontside feeble better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 15, 2019, 05:10:47 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 08, 2019, 12:16:22 PM
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If Ace low bushings fit Indys, I assume they will fit Ventures as well.  Going to pick some up when I get a chance because it could be amazing
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ACE Lo Tops fit great, they are lower than stock and after market Indy tops. And you don't have to crank shit down.

ACE lo bottoms are lower than stock AND aftermarket indy | Height = Stock Indy > After market Indy > Ace low bottoms

ACE regs bottoms are the same height as stock Indys (and taller than Indy aftermarkets; not sure why the aftermarket bottoms are lower than stock)

I'm running regs ACE bottoms and lo ACE tops in my TI Indys. Feels great and I'll not run anything else in them.

So after a bowl session on the ventures today I popped out the stock bushings.

Bottoms are ace/Indy stock height.
Tops are ace low top/reg Indy height.
EDIT: With washers the stock ventures are taller than fresh bones mediums (using the flat bones top washer on the bottom evens them up).

Gave'em the old bite test. Bottoms are HARD, tops medium/soft.

Will probably swap them to either the ace hi/low combo or bones meds. Anyone have exp running bones in Ventures? I always wonder how much thought goes into geometry with barrel bottoms vs conical when it comes to wheel bite and what comes stock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 15, 2019, 06:45:13 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 15, 2019, 05:10:47 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 08, 2019, 12:16:22 PM
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Quote from: BMCsteve on July 07, 2019, 07:21:53 AM
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If Ace low bushings fit Indys, I assume they will fit Ventures as well.  Going to pick some up when I get a chance because it could be amazing
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ACE Lo Tops fit great, they are lower than stock and after market Indy tops. And you don't have to crank shit down.

ACE lo bottoms are lower than stock AND aftermarket indy | Height = Stock Indy > After market Indy > Ace low bottoms

ACE regs bottoms are the same height as stock Indys (and taller than Indy aftermarkets; not sure why the aftermarket bottoms are lower than stock)

I'm running regs ACE bottoms and lo ACE tops in my TI Indys. Feels great and I'll not run anything else in them.
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So after a bowl session on the ventures today I popped out the stock bushings.

Bottoms are ace/Indy stock height.
Tops are ace low top/reg Indy height.
With washers the stock ventures are the same height as fresh bones mediums.

Gave'em the old bite test. Bottoms are HARD, tops medium/soft.

Will probably swap them to either the ace hi/low combo or bones meds. Anyone have exp running bones in Ventures? I always wonder how much thought goes into geometry with barrel bottoms vs conical when it comes to wheel bite and what comes stock.

Bones in venture lows, and recommend. Hi i just did stock
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 15, 2019, 06:51:14 PM
This is kind of a weird question but I did a cursory search and couldn't find anything.

Does anyone know Tensor 5.75's actual axle length? Their site and some places list it at 8.5" but others list it at 8.375". I know it's not a huge difference but its going to bother me if I order them and they're slightly shorter than my 8.38 deck rather than slightly wider.

I'm leaning towards it being 8.375" despite what the site says because I have a set of the 5.5's and the site lists them at 8.25" but they're actually 8.125" when you put a tape measure to them. If anyone has a set of the new geometry Tensors with the 5.75 hanger can you please measure them for me?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 15, 2019, 07:05:59 PM
Quote from: Ok on July 15, 2019, 06:45:13 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 15, 2019, 05:10:47 PM
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Quote from: Xen on July 08, 2019, 12:16:22 PM
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Quote from: BMCsteve on July 07, 2019, 07:21:53 AM
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If Ace low bushings fit Indys, I assume they will fit Ventures as well.  Going to pick some up when I get a chance because it could be amazing
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ACE Lo Tops fit great, they are lower than stock and after market Indy tops. And you don't have to crank shit down.

ACE lo bottoms are lower than stock AND aftermarket indy | Height = Stock Indy > After market Indy > Ace low bottoms

ACE regs bottoms are the same height as stock Indys (and taller than Indy aftermarkets; not sure why the aftermarket bottoms are lower than stock)

I'm running regs ACE bottoms and lo ACE tops in my TI Indys. Feels great and I'll not run anything else in them.
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So after a bowl session on the ventures today I popped out the stock bushings.

Bottoms are ace/Indy stock height.
Tops are ace low top/reg Indy height.
With washers the stock ventures are the same height as fresh bones mediums.

Gave'em the old bite test. Bottoms are HARD, tops medium/soft.

Will probably swap them to either the ace hi/low combo or bones meds. Anyone have exp running bones in Ventures? I always wonder how much thought goes into geometry with barrel bottoms vs conical when it comes to wheel bite and what comes stock.
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Bones in venture lows, and recommend. Hi i just did stock

Self quote alert.

I didn’t mention that bones in ventures (lo) gave them a much deeper turn. Venture washer used to (and still may) dig into the hanger, limiting the turn. I recently got 5.8. Thought they were sick. Wind was blowing wrong, gave em to the homie. Want me back. Maybe ti. Dunno
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 15, 2019, 08:27:17 PM
Quote from: Ok on July 15, 2019, 07:05:59 PM
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Quote from: Xen on July 08, 2019, 12:16:22 PM
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Quote from: BMCsteve on July 07, 2019, 07:21:53 AM
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If Ace low bushings fit Indys, I assume they will fit Ventures as well.  Going to pick some up when I get a chance because it could be amazing
[close]

ACE Lo Tops fit great, they are lower than stock and after market Indy tops. And you don't have to crank shit down.

ACE lo bottoms are lower than stock AND aftermarket indy | Height = Stock Indy > After market Indy > Ace low bottoms

ACE regs bottoms are the same height as stock Indys (and taller than Indy aftermarkets; not sure why the aftermarket bottoms are lower than stock)

I'm running regs ACE bottoms and lo ACE tops in my TI Indys. Feels great and I'll not run anything else in them.
[close]

So after a bowl session on the ventures today I popped out the stock bushings.

Bottoms are ace/Indy stock height.
Tops are ace low top/reg Indy height.
With washers the stock ventures are the same height as fresh bones mediums.

Gave'em the old bite test. Bottoms are HARD, tops medium/soft.

Will probably swap them to either the ace hi/low combo or bones meds. Anyone have exp running bones in Ventures? I always wonder how much thought goes into geometry with barrel bottoms vs conical when it comes to wheel bite and what comes stock.
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Bones in venture lows, and recommend. Hi i just did stock
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Self quote alert.

I didn’t mention that bones in ventures (lo) gave them a much deeper turn. Venture washer used to (and still may) dig into the hanger, limiting the turn. I recently got 5.8. Thought they were sick. Wind was blowing wrong, gave em to the homie. Want me back. Maybe ti. Dunno

Top washer binding ala Stage 10 fiasco?

I dropped in some Bones meds (top washers on the bottom) haven't ridden them yet but just standing on them they've eliminated the fucking SQUEAK SQUEAKS the fucking stocks where putting out....

Hanger sits on them just fine, doesn't look off/or compressed from the side.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: timv on July 15, 2019, 08:55:42 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on July 15, 2019, 06:51:14 PM
This is kind of a weird question but I did a cursory search and couldn't find anything.

Does anyone know Tensor 5.75's actual axle length? Their site and some places list it at 8.5" but others list it at 8.375". I know it's not a huge difference but its going to bother me if I order them and they're slightly shorter than my 8.38 deck rather than slightly wider.

I'm leaning towards it being 8.375" despite what the site says because I have a set of the 5.5's and the site lists them at 8.25" but they're actually 8.125" when you put a tape measure to them. If anyone has a set of the new geometry Tensors with the 5.75 hanger can you please measure them for me?

The hangers measure about 150mm so more a true 8.5”.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 15, 2019, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on July 15, 2019, 06:51:14 PM
This is kind of a weird question but I did a cursory search and couldn't find anything.

Does anyone know Tensor 5.75's actual axle length? Their site and some places list it at 8.5" but others list it at 8.375". I know it's not a huge difference but its going to bother me if I order them and they're slightly shorter than my 8.38 deck rather than slightly wider.

I'm leaning towards it being 8.375" despite what the site says because I have a set of the 5.5's and the site lists them at 8.25" but they're actually 8.125" when you put a tape measure to them. If anyone has a set of the new geometry Tensors with the 5.75 hanger can you please measure them for me?

The new All Terrain geometry measures an exact 8.5.  The previous Ten models measure 8.375
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 16, 2019, 04:35:34 AM
Quote from: Xen on July 15, 2019, 08:27:17 PM
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Quote from: Xen on July 08, 2019, 12:16:22 PM
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Quote from: BMCsteve on July 07, 2019, 07:21:53 AM
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If Ace low bushings fit Indys, I assume they will fit Ventures as well.  Going to pick some up when I get a chance because it could be amazing
[close]

ACE Lo Tops fit great, they are lower than stock and after market Indy tops. And you don't have to crank shit down.

ACE lo bottoms are lower than stock AND aftermarket indy | Height = Stock Indy > After market Indy > Ace low bottoms

ACE regs bottoms are the same height as stock Indys (and taller than Indy aftermarkets; not sure why the aftermarket bottoms are lower than stock)

I'm running regs ACE bottoms and lo ACE tops in my TI Indys. Feels great and I'll not run anything else in them.
[close]

So after a bowl session on the ventures today I popped out the stock bushings.

Bottoms are ace/Indy stock height.
Tops are ace low top/reg Indy height.
With washers the stock ventures are the same height as fresh bones mediums.

Gave'em the old bite test. Bottoms are HARD, tops medium/soft.

Will probably swap them to either the ace hi/low combo or bones meds. Anyone have exp running bones in Ventures? I always wonder how much thought goes into geometry with barrel bottoms vs conical when it comes to wheel bite and what comes stock.
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Bones in venture lows, and recommend. Hi i just did stock
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Self quote alert.

I didn’t mention that bones in ventures (lo) gave them a much deeper turn. Venture washer used to (and still may) dig into the hanger, limiting the turn. I recently got 5.8. Thought they were sick. Wind was blowing wrong, gave em to the homie. Want me back. Maybe ti. Dunno
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Top washer binding ala Stage 10 fiasco?

I dropped in some Bones meds (top washers on the bottom) haven't ridden them yet but just standing on them they've eliminated the fucking SQUEAK SQUEAKS the fucking stocks where putting out....

Hanger sits on them just fine, doesn't look off/or compressed from the side.

The pivot cups are LOUD. Definitely need oil, wax, tears, whatever works. Not sure why but they for sure squeak.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on July 16, 2019, 05:20:37 AM
Was going to make a seperate thread but figured i’d just ask in here - on that chart of truck wheelbases they only had the larger size of Theeve’s listed and they shortened the wheelbase more than Ace’s. Does anyone know if this is the case for all of the sizes?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on July 16, 2019, 09:18:16 AM
Quote from: texasplant on July 16, 2019, 05:20:37 AM
Was going to make a seperate thread but figured i’d just ask in here - on that chart of truck wheelbases they only had the larger size of Theeve’s listed and they shortened the wheelbase more than Ace’s. Does anyone know if this is the case for all of the sizes?
You might be thinking of the TiH - which has different hanger design. The wider theeves don't change the wheelbase.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on July 16, 2019, 09:35:01 AM
Quote from: Firebert on July 16, 2019, 09:18:16 AM
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Was going to make a seperate thread but figured i’d just ask in here - on that chart of truck wheelbases they only had the larger size of Theeve’s listed and they shortened the wheelbase more than Ace’s. Does anyone know if this is the case for all of the sizes?
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You might be thinking of the TiH - which has different hanger design. The wider theeves don't change the wheelbase.

I'm particularly interested in the CSX (5.5), there is barely any information online out there about Theeves but I'm so damn curious. Digging my Aces the most at the moment but Theeve may be something I'm looking for, but I refuse to bite the bullet unless I know exactly how they're going to affect my wheelbase (some serious OCD right here haha).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on July 16, 2019, 09:57:12 AM
Quote from: texasplant on July 16, 2019, 09:35:01 AM
I'm particularly interested in the CSX (5.5)
The CSX model is going to stretch your wheelbase by a tiny amount coming from ACE. ACEs have the shortest wheelbase of all the brands generally speaking, but I did see that chart which has Theeve's TiH as being shorter - that's probably the source of the confusion.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 16, 2019, 10:16:48 AM
I think you can franken truck theeve/ace no?  Theeves are great trucks, sick turning radius, not super super high, ok clearance, not too heavy.....design ok, no weird defects.  It's just the pesky THEEVE...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 16, 2019, 10:24:56 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 16, 2019, 10:16:48 AM
I think you can franken truck theeve/ace no?  Theeves are great trucks, sick turning radius, not super super high, ok clearance, not too heavy.....design ok, no weird defects.  It's just the pesky THEEVE...

Yes you can. I had TIH hangers running in Mag plates with krux pins for a time, stupid light and they still felt like theeves. Sold the tihs on eBay for almost double what I paid for them (JP buyer).

Theeves are great just hated on. I'd hope the new CSX hollows help them a bit. Kinda wish they still made the ti kingpins, you don't realize just how heavy regular or hollow pins are until you've held a ti pin. Crazy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 16, 2019, 10:56:35 AM
Bobby Worrest posted and IG story of his board a few weeks back and you could see massive, massive grooves in the hanger from the washer digging in. So switching to a flat washer might open up more turn/wheelbite.

Karl Watson runs Bones in his Ventures, loads of people do it seems. Always the same setup they'd run in Indy- no bottom washer, top washer only. Then they get used to it and run it forever.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 16, 2019, 11:02:23 AM
I would still be skating theeve if I didnt have 3 sets where the kingpins rounded off the baseplate and fell out.

I know this can happy with any cast truck and does to Ace often as well but they were the only trucks I've ever had it happen to.  It's been all truck madness since I moved on
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on July 16, 2019, 12:06:26 PM
I finally got over the name and logo and ordered myself some Theeve’s. I’ve been beating up and grinding down my Ace 55’s but I’m ready for something that I can ride just as loose with a bit more stability + lightness. So I’m stoked to try them out and have a good feeling. Hope my kingpin doesn’t fall out like Steve’s though!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 16, 2019, 12:58:37 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 16, 2019, 12:06:26 PM
I finally got over the name and logo and ordered myself some Theeve’s. I’ve been beating up and grinding down my Ace 55’s but I’m ready for something that I can ride just as loose with a bit more stability + lightness. So I’m stoked to try them out and have a good feeling. Hope my kingpin doesn’t fall out like Steve’s though!

It likely will be fine.  I think I’m in the minority with having experienced theeve quality issues
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 16, 2019, 01:00:10 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 16, 2019, 12:06:26 PM
I finally got over the name and logo and ordered myself some Theeve’s. I’ve been beating up and grinding down my Ace 55’s but I’m ready for something that I can ride just as loose with a bit more stability + lightness. So I’m stoked to try them out and have a good feeling. Hope my kingpin doesn’t fall out like Steve’s though!

I almost did the same yesterday but settled on Indy Hollows since they weren't much more expensive and I know what I'm getting. I don't know what it is about the Theeve Hanger that just turns me off. It just seems so fat and angular and flat, like a thicker Venture hanger without the lines.

Anyways I'm curious how you get on with them - please let us know how you feel they match up to the usual suspects.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: redcurb12 on July 16, 2019, 02:08:53 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on July 16, 2019, 01:00:10 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 16, 2019, 12:06:26 PM
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I finally got over the name and logo and ordered myself some Theeve’s. I’ve been beating up and grinding down my Ace 55’s but I’m ready for something that I can ride just as loose with a bit more stability + lightness. So I’m stoked to try them out and have a good feeling. Hope my kingpin doesn’t fall out like Steve’s though!
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I almost did the same yesterday but settled on Indy Hollows since they weren't much more expensive and I know what I'm getting. I don't know what it is about the Theeve Hanger that just turns me off. It just seems so fat and angular and flat, like a thicker Venture hanger without the lines.


Anyways I'm curious how you get on with them - please let us know how you feel they match up to the usual suspects.

i miss the old hanger from the V1. has anyone tried both V1/V2/V3 and compared? i have an old pair of TiAX V1 that I love and thinking about getting a new pair.. but it looks like they are using the CSX hanger now
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 16, 2019, 02:28:28 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 15, 2019, 08:27:17 PM
Quote from: Ok on July 15, 2019, 07:05:59 PM
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If Ace low bushings fit Indys, I assume they will fit Ventures as well.  Going to pick some up when I get a chance because it could be amazing
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ACE Lo Tops fit great, they are lower than stock and after market Indy tops. And you don't have to crank shit down.

ACE lo bottoms are lower than stock AND aftermarket indy | Height = Stock Indy > After market Indy > Ace low bottoms

ACE regs bottoms are the same height as stock Indys (and taller than Indy aftermarkets; not sure why the aftermarket bottoms are lower than stock)

I'm running regs ACE bottoms and lo ACE tops in my TI Indys. Feels great and I'll not run anything else in them.
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So after a bowl session on the ventures today I popped out the stock bushings.

Bottoms are ace/Indy stock height.
Tops are ace low top/reg Indy height.
With washers the stock ventures are the same height as fresh bones mediums.

Gave'em the old bite test. Bottoms are HARD, tops medium/soft.

Will probably swap them to either the ace hi/low combo or bones meds. Anyone have exp running bones in Ventures? I always wonder how much thought goes into geometry with barrel bottoms vs conical when it comes to wheel bite and what comes stock.
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Bones in venture lows, and recommend. Hi i just did stock
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Self quote alert.

I didn’t mention that bones in ventures (lo) gave them a much deeper turn. Venture washer used to (and still may) dig into the hanger, limiting the turn. I recently got 5.8. Thought they were sick. Wind was blowing wrong, gave em to the homie. Want me back. Maybe ti. Dunno
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Top washer binding ala Stage 10 fiasco?

I dropped in some Bones meds (top washers on the bottom) haven't ridden them yet but just standing on them they've eliminated the fucking SQUEAK SQUEAKS the fucking stocks where putting out....

Hanger sits on them just fine, doesn't look off/or compressed from the side.

Are you using the stock washer on top or no washer?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 16, 2019, 04:39:03 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 16, 2019, 12:06:26 PM
I finally got over the name and logo and ordered myself some Theeve’s. I’ve been beating up and grinding down my Ace 55’s but I’m ready for something that I can ride just as loose with a bit more stability + lightness. So I’m stoked to try them out and have a good feeling. Hope my kingpin doesn’t fall out like Steve’s though!

I’ve been tossing and turning, sleepless, ace 55s, 33s, or ti venture 5.8. Should skate more, shop less. 55s look so sick. Most likely too beast for little me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 16, 2019, 05:22:12 PM
Quote from: redcurb12 on July 16, 2019, 02:08:53 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on July 16, 2019, 01:00:10 PM
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I finally got over the name and logo and ordered myself some Theeve’s. I’ve been beating up and grinding down my Ace 55’s but I’m ready for something that I can ride just as loose with a bit more stability + lightness. So I’m stoked to try them out and have a good feeling. Hope my kingpin doesn’t fall out like Steve’s though!
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I almost did the same yesterday but settled on Indy Hollows since they weren't much more expensive and I know what I'm getting. I don't know what it is about the Theeve Hanger that just turns me off. It just seems so fat and angular and flat, like a thicker Venture hanger without the lines.


Anyways I'm curious how you get on with them - please let us know how you feel they match up to the usual suspects.
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i miss the old hanger from the V1. has anyone tried both V1/V2/V3 and compared? i have an old pair of TiAX V1 that I love and thinking about getting a new pair.. but it looks like they are using the CSX hanger now

The old hanger is soooo nice!

On V1 or V2 I never had quality issues.
V3s feel exactly the same.
Never have BMCs baseplate rounding/kingpin issue.

I've only ever purchased TiKing.

If you ride ace loose be warned you can't them to feel like ace. The bottom bushing is very tall, like thunder tall so replacing it can be tricky.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on July 16, 2019, 09:28:25 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 08, 2019, 12:16:22 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 07, 2019, 07:21:53 AM
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If Ace low bushings fit Indys, I assume they will fit Ventures as well.  Going to pick some up when I get a chance because it could be amazing
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ACE Lo Tops fit great, they are lower than stock and after market Indy tops. And you don't have to crank shit down.

ACE lo bottoms are lower than stock AND aftermarket indy | Height = Stock Indy > After market Indy > Ace low bottoms

ACE regs bottoms are the same height as stock Indys (and taller than Indy aftermarkets; not sure why the aftermarket bottoms are lower than stock)

I'm running regs ACE bottoms and lo ACE tops in my TI Indys. Feels great and I'll not run anything else in them.
ACE (they lose a millimeter when broken in)
regs : top 12mm, bottom 14mm
low : top 10mm, bottom 12mm
INDY
stock: top 11mm, bottom 13mm
aftermarket barrel : top 10mm, bottom 13mm
aftermarket conical : top 10mm, bottom 14mm



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on July 16, 2019, 09:33:49 PM
Quote from: palelight on July 01, 2019, 11:45:58 PM
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I wonder if Indy basically released the 144 and any new Indy’s after the 144 as secretly the stage 11.5

Cause I use to hate how tippy Indy’s height felt but I can’t get off how good my 144 are on this 8.1 lurkville

The 144 don’t feel 55mm at all, they feel definitely like 53mm a good medium, I can see why people like Indy’s now cause once you get the right size dialed in they are some good trucks

I’m running them bone stock, standard 144 cast solid with stock orange cushions and they feel great
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Naaaah, don't go down that rabbit hole man. I will say they started to use better bushings in the last year or so. I just picked up a new  set of forged hollow 149's, the stock orange cylinders are the same as the aftermarket ones now, better urethane with the lathed faces where they sit against the hanger. I compared them to an older set of 149 stock bushings (from USA stamped Indy's) and those bushings looked like molded shit in comparison.

*Updated for a pic
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48177421432_747befb235_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gpgSV7)IMG_7331 (https://flic.kr/p/2gpgSV7) by J J (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144080794@N08/), on Flickr

From left to right, bushing from deadstock USA 149's (I'd say 2-3 years old, but unskated), bushing from new forged hollows, standard aftermarket bushing.
gigantic if true...how can we be sure those aren't just aftermarket 90a bushings and that you aren't some sort of a shill?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 16, 2019, 10:53:22 PM
Quote from: I AM on July 16, 2019, 09:33:49 PM
gigantic if true...how can we be sure those aren't just aftermarket 90a bushings and that you aren't some sort of a shill?

How do I know you aren't a plant for the Grind King relaunch casting aspersions on my research....?

Kidding. Nah man, I wish, I'm just a schmuck from Canada who spends the long cold nights nerding out on trucks. When I finally got around to picking up a set of forged Indy's I noticed the bushings were much better looking than the ones on an old cast pair I had lying around. Better colour, no air bubbles/cracks. Noticeable even before you take them apart. It'd be cool if someone else who's bought new Indy's lately could confirm/deny this, because I'd be skeptical too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on July 17, 2019, 12:08:29 AM
Quote from: palelight on July 16, 2019, 10:53:22 PM
It'd be cool if someone else who's bought new Indy's lately could confirm/deny this, because I'd be skeptical too.
yes please, also do they feel any different from the old stock ones? do you have any aftermarket 90a ones you could compare them to? do the standards also have the new bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 17, 2019, 12:21:41 AM
Quote from: I AM on July 17, 2019, 12:08:29 AM
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It'd be cool if someone else who's bought new Indy's lately could confirm/deny this, because I'd be skeptical too.
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yes please, also do they feel any different from the old stock ones? do you have any aftermarket 90a ones you could compare them to? do the standards also have the new bushings?

On my older set of casts I have the 90a aftermarkets (I have the 88a as well, as you can see in the pic but I found them a bit too mushy). Anyway, in my subjective opinion, the bushings that came in the new forged hollow set feel the same as the aftermarket 90a's. There was little to no break in time, felt good pretty much right away. Don't know about the standards, the only set of standards I have are USA stamped ones that have to be at least 2/3 years old at this point.

I know some dudes are hesitant to fuck with new trucks right away, but if any adventurous types with new Indy's want to check the bushings, see if they have the lathed surfaces of the aftermarkets, it would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 17, 2019, 06:12:17 AM
Quote from: palelight on July 17, 2019, 12:21:41 AM
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It'd be cool if someone else who's bought new Indy's lately could confirm/deny this, because I'd be skeptical too.
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yes please, also do they feel any different from the old stock ones? do you have any aftermarket 90a ones you could compare them to? do the standards also have the new bushings?
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On my older set of casts I have the 90a aftermarkets (I have the 88a as well, as you can see in the pic but I found them a bit too mushy). Anyway, in my subjective opinion, the bushings that came in the new forged hollow set feel the same as the aftermarket 90a's. There was little to no break in time, felt good pretty much right away. Don't know about the standards, the only set of standards I have are USA stamped ones that have to be at least 2/3 years old at this point.

I know some dudes are hesitant to fuck with new trucks right away, but if any adventurous types with new Indy's want to check the bushings, see if they have the lathed surfaces of the aftermarkets, it would be greatly appreciated.

Bought some 159s in June from my local and they had the standard bushings. Busy shop (Nocturnal in Philly) so I don't think it is too likely that they're old stock or anything.

I wish they would just use the nicer aftermarket bushings. The medium-hard (blue) bushings really changed how I feel about Independent.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on July 17, 2019, 06:49:47 AM
Quote from: palelight on July 17, 2019, 12:21:41 AM
I know some dudes are hesitant to fuck with new trucks right away, but if any adventurous types with new Indy's want to check the bushings, see if they have the lathed surfaces of the aftermarkets, it would be greatly appreciated.
The only difference I can tell is the aftermarkets are more opaque in their orange tint, and maybe a mm shorter than the ones that come stock. Noticed that the stock ones had the bottom bushing upside down (rings facing boardside). That's a pet peeve.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 17, 2019, 07:45:06 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on July 17, 2019, 06:12:17 AM
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It'd be cool if someone else who's bought new Indy's lately could confirm/deny this, because I'd be skeptical too.
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yes please, also do they feel any different from the old stock ones? do you have any aftermarket 90a ones you could compare them to? do the standards also have the new bushings?
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On my older set of casts I have the 90a aftermarkets (I have the 88a as well, as you can see in the pic but I found them a bit too mushy). Anyway, in my subjective opinion, the bushings that came in the new forged hollow set feel the same as the aftermarket 90a's. There was little to no break in time, felt good pretty much right away. Don't know about the standards, the only set of standards I have are USA stamped ones that have to be at least 2/3 years old at this point.

I know some dudes are hesitant to fuck with new trucks right away, but if any adventurous types with new Indy's want to check the bushings, see if they have the lathed surfaces of the aftermarkets, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Bought some 159s in June from my local and they had the standard bushings. Busy shop (Nocturnal in Philly) so I don't think it is too likely that they're old stock or anything.

I wish they would just use the nicer aftermarket bushings. The medium-hard (blue) bushings really changed how I feel about Independent.

Regular 159s? What are you rubbing them on? Indy’s are kinda whatever for me, but 159s are dope. But then it’s just too much
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 17, 2019, 08:29:54 AM
Quote from: Ok on July 17, 2019, 07:45:06 AM
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It'd be cool if someone else who's bought new Indy's lately could confirm/deny this, because I'd be skeptical too.
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yes please, also do they feel any different from the old stock ones? do you have any aftermarket 90a ones you could compare them to? do the standards also have the new bushings?
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On my older set of casts I have the 90a aftermarkets (I have the 88a as well, as you can see in the pic but I found them a bit too mushy). Anyway, in my subjective opinion, the bushings that came in the new forged hollow set feel the same as the aftermarket 90a's. There was little to no break in time, felt good pretty much right away. Don't know about the standards, the only set of standards I have are USA stamped ones that have to be at least 2/3 years old at this point.

I know some dudes are hesitant to fuck with new trucks right away, but if any adventurous types with new Indy's want to check the bushings, see if they have the lathed surfaces of the aftermarkets, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Bought some 159s in June from my local and they had the standard bushings. Busy shop (Nocturnal in Philly) so I don't think it is too likely that they're old stock or anything.

I wish they would just use the nicer aftermarket bushings. The medium-hard (blue) bushings really changed how I feel about Independent.
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Regular 159s? What are you rubbing them on? Indy’s are kinda whatever for me, but 159s are dope. But then it’s just too much

Yeah, standard, I don't like forged baseplates. If they had they Reynolds hollows (cast plate) I would have loved to have tried them, though I don't think those even come in 159.

I was skating an 8.75 Theories (somewhere in the setup thread) and didn't want to run my 149s and magic carpet out. Mostly curbs, small ledges, and my local DIY.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 17, 2019, 08:45:36 AM
Quote from: Firebert on July 17, 2019, 06:49:47 AM
Quote from: palelight on July 17, 2019, 12:21:41 AM
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I know some dudes are hesitant to fuck with new trucks right away, but if any adventurous types with new Indy's want to check the bushings, see if they have the lathed surfaces of the aftermarkets, it would be greatly appreciated.
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The only difference I can tell is the aftermarkets are more opaque in their orange tint, and maybe a mm shorter than the ones that come stock. Noticed that the stock ones had the bottom bushing upside down (rings facing boardside). That's a pet peeve.

Wait wait the rings side of the bushing are supposed to be against the hangar??

I’ve been thinking they’re supposed to face the washer/board side cause it’s the sharper flatter edged surface of the bushing that doesn’t have enough give like the rounded edged side that when pushed against the hangar has a lot of give therefore more rebound and response but not a lot of stability and center

Can anyone else confirm the side of the bushing with the rings on the face is supposed to go against the hangar/roadside??

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on July 17, 2019, 08:54:04 AM
Quote from: rob on July 17, 2019, 08:45:36 AM
Can anyone else confirm the side of the bushing with the rings on the face is supposed to go against the hangar/roadside??
Madness inception
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on July 17, 2019, 09:04:19 AM
Quote from: rob on July 17, 2019, 08:45:36 AM
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I know some dudes are hesitant to fuck with new trucks right away, but if any adventurous types with new Indy's want to check the bushings, see if they have the lathed surfaces of the aftermarkets, it would be greatly appreciated.
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The only difference I can tell is the aftermarkets are more opaque in their orange tint, and maybe a mm shorter than the ones that come stock. Noticed that the stock ones had the bottom bushing upside down (rings facing boardside). That's a pet peeve.
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Wait wait the rings side of the bushing are supposed to be against the hangar??

I’ve been thinking they’re supposed to face the washer/board side cause it’s the sharper flatter edged surface of the bushing that doesn’t have enough give like the rounded edged side that when pushed against the hangar has a lot of give therefore more rebound and response but not a lot of stability and center

Can anyone else confirm the side of the bushing with the rings on the face is supposed to go against the hangar/roadside??
the purpose of the rings (i think) is to grip the hanger and keep it on center/help with rebound. more give means less rebound because rebound comes from resistance to give. also with bushings that have the rings, you can see that the top bushings always have the rings on the hanger side, so unless you ride top bushings upside down, you'd be able to figure it out just by that alone. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: redcurb12 on July 17, 2019, 09:08:08 AM
Quote from: Xen on July 16, 2019, 05:22:12 PM
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I finally got over the name and logo and ordered myself some Theeve’s. I’ve been beating up and grinding down my Ace 55’s but I’m ready for something that I can ride just as loose with a bit more stability + lightness. So I’m stoked to try them out and have a good feeling. Hope my kingpin doesn’t fall out like Steve’s though!
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I almost did the same yesterday but settled on Indy Hollows since they weren't much more expensive and I know what I'm getting. I don't know what it is about the Theeve Hanger that just turns me off. It just seems so fat and angular and flat, like a thicker Venture hanger without the lines.


Anyways I'm curious how you get on with them - please let us know how you feel they match up to the usual suspects.
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i miss the old hanger from the V1. has anyone tried both V1/V2/V3 and compared? i have an old pair of TiAX V1 that I love and thinking about getting a new pair.. but it looks like they are using the CSX hanger now
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The old hanger is soooo nice!

On V1 or V2 I never had quality issues.
V3s feel exactly the same.
Never have BMCs baseplate rounding/kingpin issue.

I've only ever purchased TiKing.

If you ride ace loose be warned you can't them to feel like ace. The bottom bushing is very tall, like thunder tall so replacing it can be tricky.

thanks xen. i'll give the v3 a try
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FS-OverKOOK on July 17, 2019, 09:38:52 AM
can anyone give me the layman's breakdown for no top washer vs. no bottom washer?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 17, 2019, 09:40:35 AM
Quote from: I AM on July 17, 2019, 09:04:19 AM
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I know some dudes are hesitant to fuck with new trucks right away, but if any adventurous types with new Indy's want to check the bushings, see if they have the lathed surfaces of the aftermarkets, it would be greatly appreciated.
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The only difference I can tell is the aftermarkets are more opaque in their orange tint, and maybe a mm shorter than the ones that come stock. Noticed that the stock ones had the bottom bushing upside down (rings facing boardside). That's a pet peeve.
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Wait wait the rings side of the bushing are supposed to be against the hangar??

I’ve been thinking they’re supposed to face the washer/board side cause it’s the sharper flatter edged surface of the bushing that doesn’t have enough give like the rounded edged side that when pushed against the hangar has a lot of give therefore more rebound and response but not a lot of stability and center

Can anyone else confirm the side of the bushing with the rings on the face is supposed to go against the hangar/roadside??
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the purpose of the rings (i think) is to grip the hanger and keep it on center/help with rebound. more give means less rebound because rebound comes from resistance to give. also with bushings that have the rings, you can see that the top bushings always have the rings on the hanger side, so unless you ride top bushings upside down, you'd be able to figure it out just by that alone.

I have a set of Forged Hollow 149's on the way, I'll check when they get here.

Does Thunder have a stock top bushing with the rings? The reason I ask is because I also have what I thought was a matched set of stock indys from my FH red anodized 144's that have the sloppy pitted urethane but if the rings is an indy exclusive thing then I've been totally wrong about them. The pitted ones I thought came from the 144's are shiny while the ones with the ring are more of a matte finish that matches the bottom barrel bushing from the Thunders. I should really start keeping track of these things rather than just throwing everything into my "more bushins for the pushin" jar.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on July 17, 2019, 09:59:27 AM
Quote from: FS-OverKOOK on July 17, 2019, 09:38:52 AM
can anyone give me the layman's breakdown for no top washer vs. no bottom washer?
i second this
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 17, 2019, 10:14:14 AM
guys, the "rings" are just CNC marks from the bushings being cut and have absolutely nothing to do with the performance of the bushing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on July 17, 2019, 10:40:52 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 17, 2019, 10:14:14 AM
guys, the "rings" are just CNC marks from the bushings being cut and have absolutely nothing to do with the performance of the bushing

You clearly haven't read through the other 194 pages of meth insanity that people put into their trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 17, 2019, 12:27:29 PM
Ha. Meth insanity.

As someone who makes dubious ‘contributions’, at best, this one is fairly out there, and it’s not even trucks:

What brand of hardware has a larger diameter Allen head? Frequently taking things apart (walkmans, burner phones, you know meth nest shit) to switch the trucks around leaves some larger diameter holes for the mounting hardware. I blame the truck chase.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 17, 2019, 12:31:48 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 17, 2019, 10:14:14 AM
guys, the "rings" are just CNC marks from the bushings being cut and have absolutely nothing to do with the performance of the bushing

Is it not the way to determine between aftermarket (cause aftermarkets are machined like you said on a CNC) vs the stock bushings which are just moulded (which lack the machining marks, and are usually full of air bubbles/cavities)?

Never insinuated the machining marks did anything special, just a way to determine how they're made.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 17, 2019, 12:41:46 PM
Ya I don't care about the rings for any performance reason, I'm just curious because I'd like to be able to identify what bushings are from what truck but I get all impatient when I'm setting up my trucks and just throw everything I haven't used together in a little plastic cup (the kind you piss in for drug tests) and stuff it in my box of crap. Then, when my madness overwhelms me and I decide I want to try the stock bushings I pull it out and have no idea where any of it came from.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on July 17, 2019, 01:26:50 PM
Quote from: Ok on July 17, 2019, 12:27:29 PM
What brand of hardware has a larger diameter Allen head? Frequently taking things apart to switch the trucks around leaves some larger diameter holes for the mounting hardware. I blame the truck chase.
Indy and Bronze have the wider, shallower heads on their bolts.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 17, 2019, 01:27:12 PM
Quote from: palelight on July 17, 2019, 12:31:48 PM
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guys, the "rings" are just CNC marks from the bushings being cut and have absolutely nothing to do with the performance of the bushing
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Is it not the way to determine between aftermarket (cause aftermarkets are machined like you said on a CNC) vs the stock bushings which are just moulded (which lack the machining marks, and are usually full of air bubbles/cavities)?

Never insinuated the machining marks did anything special, just a way to determine how they're made.

No you're exactly correct that it's the easiest way to tell the difference.  Someone else said the rings grip the hanger to create better rebound  ;D  my fault for not quoting them and making it confusing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 17, 2019, 01:42:34 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 17, 2019, 01:27:12 PM
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guys, the "rings" are just CNC marks from the bushings being cut and have absolutely nothing to do with the performance of the bushing
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Is it not the way to determine between aftermarket (cause aftermarkets are machined like you said on a CNC) vs the stock bushings which are just moulded (which lack the machining marks, and are usually full of air bubbles/cavities)?

Never insinuated the machining marks did anything special, just a way to determine how they're made.
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No you're exactly correct that it's the easiest way to tell the difference.  Someone else said the rings grip the hanger to create better rebound  ;D  my fault for not quoting them and making it confusing

No worries, all good.

I didn't mean to start rampant speculation about Indy's throwing better stock bushings in their product. When I took the forged hollows apart to swap the bushings I was more than surprised to see they were pretty much identical to the aftermarkets. I'd call it a fluke until someone else comes up with another instance of finding them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: smg1138 on July 17, 2019, 02:43:12 PM
I recently got a new set of Indy Forged Titaniums and noticed the bushings seem different now. Comparing them to my aftermarket Indy bushings they have the same type of design. In the Skate Warehouse product description it said they had Supercush bushings, so I guess that's why. From the factory they were installed with the machined side facing boardside which I thought seemed weird. I went ahead and flipped the bottom bushing around because it was bugging my truck OCD  :P
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 17, 2019, 03:22:33 PM
Quote from: palelight on July 17, 2019, 01:42:34 PM
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guys, the "rings" are just CNC marks from the bushings being cut and have absolutely nothing to do with the performance of the bushing
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Is it not the way to determine between aftermarket (cause aftermarkets are machined like you said on a CNC) vs the stock bushings which are just moulded (which lack the machining marks, and are usually full of air bubbles/cavities)?

Never insinuated the machining marks did anything special, just a way to determine how they're made.
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No you're exactly correct that it's the easiest way to tell the difference.  Someone else said the rings grip the hanger to create better rebound  ;D  my fault for not quoting them and making it confusing
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No worries, all good.

I didn't mean to start rampant speculation about Indy's throwing better stock bushings in their product. When I took the forged hollows apart to swap the bushings I was more than surprised to see they were pretty much identical to the aftermarkets. I'd call it a fluke until someone else comes up with another instance of finding them.

So the machined sharp edged side of the big bushing goes against your hangar/roadside

And the smooth non machined side goes against the washer/deckside ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 17, 2019, 04:58:43 PM
Quote from: smg1138 on July 17, 2019, 02:43:12 PM
I recently got a new set of Indy Forged Titaniums and noticed the bushings seem different now. Comparing them to my aftermarket Indy bushings they have the same type of design. In the Skate Warehouse product description it said they had Supercush bushings, so I guess that's why. From the factory they were installed with the machined side facing boardside which I thought seemed weird. I went ahead and flipped the bottom bushing around because it was bugging my truck OCD  :P

Perhaps then they're putting 'better' bushings in the more expensive trucks, like the titaniums and forged hollows?

As for the right/wrong way the bushings should face. Don't know. It stands to reason that since the top bushing can only be installed one way, with the machined surface touching the hanger, then the bottom should match and also have the machined face touching the hanger. Just a guess, but I have nothing to back that up with. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on July 17, 2019, 05:17:19 PM
Quote from: DaveFuck on July 17, 2019, 09:59:27 AM
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can anyone give me the layman's breakdown for no top washer vs. no bottom washer?
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i second this
NO TOP WASHER
pros : stable while providing a deep smooth turn, correct geometry
cons : the kingpin nut may dig into the top bushing and depending on the quality of the bushing, it will either create a crevice in the bushing, making it looser and looser every time you go skate, or it will start cracking in the same area.
NO BOTTOM WASHER
pros : lower center of gravity, depending on the setup top washers may stop you before wheel bite
cons : incorrect geometry, less turn, unstable on center
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: smg1138 on July 17, 2019, 05:59:17 PM
Quote from: palelight on July 17, 2019, 04:58:43 PM
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I recently got a new set of Indy Forged Titaniums and noticed the bushings seem different now. Comparing them to my aftermarket Indy bushings they have the same type of design. In the Skate Warehouse product description it said they had Supercush bushings, so I guess that's why. From the factory they were installed with the machined side facing boardside which I thought seemed weird. I went ahead and flipped the bottom bushing around because it was bugging my truck OCD  :P
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Perhaps then they're putting 'better' bushings in the more expensive trucks, like the titaniums and forged hollows?

As for the right/wrong way the bushings should face. Don't know. It stands to reason that since the top bushing can only be installed one way, with the machined surface touching the hanger, then the bottom should match and also have the machined face touching the hanger. Just a guess, but I have nothing to back that up with.

Yeah that was pretty much my thinking on it. I was just surprised they came like that from the factory. But considering Indy moved operations to China, it shouldn't come as much of a surprise I guess. I have to admit the Forged Titanium 149's are really nice though. Guess I've finally reached the age where light trucks actually make a noticeable difference haha!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chaos Acoustic on July 18, 2019, 07:00:43 AM
I bought a set of 144 standard and the bottom bushing was “upside down “ as well. Also air bubble on the top bushing of one truck ( protruding). One of the bottom bushings is splitting vertically/internally. Extra metal on the axle causing my bearing to jam. Extra metal under the hanger covering the air hole for the axle. Skated once at stock setting and now sitting on a shelf. FML
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on July 18, 2019, 07:26:01 AM
Quote from: smg1138 on July 17, 2019, 02:43:12 PM
I recently got a new set of Indy Forged Titaniums and noticed the bushings seem different now. Comparing them to my aftermarket Indy bushings they have the same type of design. In the Skate Warehouse product description it said they had Supercush bushings, so I guess that's why. From the factory they were installed with the machined side facing boardside which I thought seemed weird. I went ahead and flipped the bottom bushing around because it was bugging my truck OCD  :P
That explains the same design just a little more "clearness" to the orange on the Titaniums. They did feel good standing, but I took them off anyway to put on my broken in aftermarkets. I will pop these in and see how they ride now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 18, 2019, 07:31:24 AM
Quote from: Firebert on July 17, 2019, 01:26:50 PM
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What brand of hardware has a larger diameter Allen head? Frequently taking things apart to switch the trucks around leaves some larger diameter holes for the mounting hardware. I blame the truck chase.
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Indy and Bronze have the wider, shallower heads on their bolts.

Appreciate the answers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 18, 2019, 08:39:08 AM
Quote from: smg1138 on July 17, 2019, 05:59:17 PM
Yeah that was pretty much my thinking on it. I was just surprised they came like that from the factory. But considering Indy moved operations to China, it shouldn't come as much of a surprise I guess. I have to admit the Forged Titanium 149's are really nice though. Guess I've finally reached the age where light trucks actually make a noticeable difference haha!

If you think those are light try a pair of Tensor mag lights sometime if you get the chance. They're crazy light and the new geometry ones ride a lot like a Thunder if you swap the bushings. They're pretty much the ultimate "old legs' truck, I think they're even lighter than the $250 theeve titanium ones.

While we're on the subject, I asked this a few pages back but didn't see an answer so I'll try again. Does anyone know the true axle length of Tensor 5.75's? Some places list them as 8.5" and some list them as 8.375". The Tensor site says 8.5 but they also list the 5.5's as 8.25" when the ones I have are actually 8.125". It's not a huge difference but the madness overwhelms me and I have to know before I buy a set.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 18, 2019, 08:42:21 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on July 18, 2019, 08:39:08 AM
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Yeah that was pretty much my thinking on it. I was just surprised they came like that from the factory. But considering Indy moved operations to China, it shouldn't come as much of a surprise I guess. I have to admit the Forged Titanium 149's are really nice though. Guess I've finally reached the age where light trucks actually make a noticeable difference haha!
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If you think those are light try a pair of Tensor mag lights sometime if you get the chance. They're crazy light and the new geometry ones ride a lot like a Thunder if you swap the bushings. They're pretty much the ultimate "old legs' truck, I think they're even lighter than the $250 theeve titanium ones.

While we're on the subject, I asked this a few pages back but didn't see an answer so I'll try again. Does anyone know the true axle length of Tensor 5.75's? Some places list them as 8.5" and some list them as 8.375". The Tensor site says 8.5 but they also list the 5.5's as 8.25" when the ones I have are actually 8.125". It's not a huge difference but the madness overwhelms me and I have to know before I buy a set.

I answered on the previous page but the All Terrain 5.75s are 8.5 and the older model Tens 5.75 are 8.375
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 18, 2019, 10:40:04 AM
So I picked up some of the new made in china Indy Titaniums and here are the details -

First off the casting of the hanger is way better than the Ermico versions.  It's now flawless

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316503632_16a68500e6_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316384501_71ebe0f9a6_z.jpg)

The bushings are CNC cut but do appear to be different than the aftermarket bushings we've been using.  You can see by the color but this could just be due to them being from a different batch. 

New stock bushings on the right, aftermarket bushings on the left

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316503402_9f42c4e2fe_z.jpg)

New stock on top, aftermarket on bottom

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316503317_12a517b6d1_z.jpg)

The washers also appear to be different.  The stock on the right is slightly larger than the aftermarket on the left

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316503507_407a939d28_z.jpg)

Here's the biggest surprise and it's hard to tell from this shitty pic but the pivot cups are now WAY better.  They're no longer shitty molded plastic.  Now all edges are smooth and they actually have rebound when you pinch them between your fingers.  They're actually so nice that I'm going to hold off on putting my riptide cups in.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316503847_d518c071e0_z.jpg)

So I know everything made in china is supposed to be crap compared to USA made but having had 20 pairs of Ermico Indys, I can definitely say these are much better quality right out of the box
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on July 18, 2019, 11:47:52 AM
I got 4 sets of the Ti - 139/144/149/169 and only the most recent pair (144s) have had the nice pivot cups (although they still squeak.)  Half of them don't have the "titanium" printed on the hangar, either - but I weighed them and they are in fact Titanium. The washers have all been different on every pair, some come up to a straight edge and cut into the bushings and some don't.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 18, 2019, 11:56:23 AM
Quote from: Firebert on July 18, 2019, 11:47:52 AM
I got 4 sets of the Ti - 139/144/149/169 and only the most recent pair (144s) have had the nice pivot cups (although they still squeak.)  Half of them don't have the "titanium" printed on the hangar, either - but I weighed them and they are in fact Titanium. The washers have all been different on every pair, some come up to a straight edge and cut into the bushings and some don't.

Which are you favorite? Why?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on July 18, 2019, 12:11:53 PM
Quote from: Ok on July 18, 2019, 11:56:23 AM
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I got 4 sets of the Ti - 139/144/149/169 and only the most recent pair (144s) have had the nice pivot cups (although they still squeak.)  Half of them don't have the "titanium" printed on the hangar, either - but I weighed them and they are in fact Titanium. The washers have all been different on every pair, some come up to a straight edge and cut into the bushings and some don't.
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Which are you favorite? Why?
If I had to pick just one to ride, I'd go with 144s due to the versatility of being lighter than 149s but still skate-able on an 8 (my tech setup is an 8 and my normal board is 8.25) The look of the 149s is still my favorite though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on July 18, 2019, 01:28:52 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 18, 2019, 10:40:04 AM
So I picked up some of the new made in china Indy Titaniums and here are the details -

First off the casting of the hanger is way better than the Ermico versions.  It's now flawless

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316503632_16a68500e6_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316384501_71ebe0f9a6_z.jpg)

The bushings are CNC cut but do appear to be different than the aftermarket bushings we've been using.  You can see by the color but this could just be due to them being from a different batch. 

New stock bushings on the right, aftermarket bushings on the left

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316503402_9f42c4e2fe_z.jpg)

New stock on top, aftermarket on bottom

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316503317_12a517b6d1_z.jpg)

The washers also appear to be different.  The stock on the right is slightly larger than the aftermarket on the left

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316503507_407a939d28_z.jpg)

Here's the biggest surprise and it's hard to tell from this shitty pic but the pivot cups are now WAY better.  They're no longer shitty molded plastic.  Now all edges are smooth and they actually have rebound when you pinch them between your fingers.  They're actually so nice that I'm going to hold off on putting my riptide cups in.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316503847_d518c071e0_z.jpg)

So I know everything made in china is supposed to be crap compared to USA made but having had 20 pairs of Ermico Indys, I can definitely say these are much better quality right out of the box
wow that's really dope. can you also do a top bushing comparison? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 18, 2019, 02:11:59 PM
Quote from: I AM on July 18, 2019, 01:28:52 PM

wow that's really dope. can you also do a top bushing comparison?

I already set them up but the top bushings are the same except the color much like the bottoms
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 18, 2019, 03:40:46 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 18, 2019, 10:40:04 AM
So I picked up some of the new made in china Indy Titaniums and here are the details -

First off the casting of the hanger is way better than the Ermico versions.  It's now flawless

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316503632_16a68500e6_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316384501_71ebe0f9a6_z.jpg)

The bushings are CNC cut but do appear to be different than the aftermarket bushings we've been using.  You can see by the color but this could just be due to them being from a different batch. 

New stock bushings on the right, aftermarket bushings on the left

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316503402_9f42c4e2fe_z.jpg)

New stock on top, aftermarket on bottom

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316503317_12a517b6d1_z.jpg)

The washers also appear to be different.  The stock on the right is slightly larger than the aftermarket on the left

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316503507_407a939d28_z.jpg)

Here's the biggest surprise and it's hard to tell from this shitty pic but the pivot cups are now WAY better.  They're no longer shitty molded plastic.  Now all edges are smooth and they actually have rebound when you pinch them between your fingers.  They're actually so nice that I'm going to hold off on putting my riptide cups in.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316503847_d518c071e0_z.jpg)

So I know everything made in china is supposed to be crap compared to USA made but having had 20 pairs of Ermico Indys, I can definitely say these are much better quality right out of the box

Much appreciated for corroborating this. I too thought the casting on the new set I picked up was pretty immaculate. Maybe Ace can slide into whatever foundry this is and up their game. Forged hollow Aces would be a dream.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 18, 2019, 04:18:12 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 18, 2019, 08:42:21 AM
I answered on the previous page but the All Terrain 5.75s are 8.5 and the older model Tens 5.75 are 8.375

Oh shit I'm sorry I don't even know how I missed that. Thanks man. I love your avatar too.


Here's further corroboration that they're using different bushings on the higher priced trucks. The 149 hollow and the GP are pretty much identical. And for whoever was asking, stock configuration is with the rings against the hanger. I didn't take pics but the stock Thunder's I got today all had molded bushings like the 139's do.

(https://i.imgur.com/LthUgZF.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 18, 2019, 07:42:16 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on July 18, 2019, 04:18:12 PM
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I answered on the previous page but the All Terrain 5.75s are 8.5 and the older model Tens 5.75 are 8.375
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Oh shit I'm sorry I don't even know how I missed that. Thanks man. I love your avatar too.


Here's further corroboration that they're using different bushings on the higher priced trucks. The 149 hollow and the GP are pretty much identical. And for whoever was asking, stock configuration is with the rings against the hanger. I didn't take pics but the stock Thunder's I got today all had molded bushings like the 139's do.

(https://i.imgur.com/LthUgZF.jpg)

Thanks for the clarification

Dang all my Indy’s have the same molded bushings too

Man I wanna know if the new machined bushings are a better quality
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 18, 2019, 08:02:51 PM
Quote from: rob on July 18, 2019, 07:42:16 PM

Thanks for the clarification

Dang all my Indy’s have the same molded bushings too

Man I wanna know if the new machined bushings are a better quality


Well you could just buy some of the Indy GP ones since they appear to be the same, but If you want I'll send you my stock ones. I'm going to put bones in eventually, and I effectively have 2 sets of the same ones now. They're small and light enough to fit in an envelope and I work for the gov't so I can mail small stuff for free. Just shoot me a PM if you want them.

I did skate to the store a little bit ago and though I had to crank them down a bit (I normally ride 94a or higher and tight trucks) I really liked the way they felt. Had that nice loose Indy feel but were still stable and responsive and I never felt like I was going to wheelbite or lose control. I still contend that Venture has the best stock bushings in the game but these are pretty damn close. Definitely felt better than the ones that came in my last set of standards.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 18, 2019, 08:58:02 PM
Quote from: palelight on July 18, 2019, 03:40:46 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 18, 2019, 10:40:04 AM
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So I picked up some of the new made in china Indy Titaniums and here are the details -

First off the casting of the hanger is way better than the Ermico versions.  It's now flawless

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316503632_16a68500e6_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316384501_71ebe0f9a6_z.jpg)

The bushings are CNC cut but do appear to be different than the aftermarket bushings we've been using.  You can see by the color but this could just be due to them being from a different batch. 

New stock bushings on the right, aftermarket bushings on the left

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316503402_9f42c4e2fe_z.jpg)

New stock on top, aftermarket on bottom

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316503317_12a517b6d1_z.jpg)

The washers also appear to be different.  The stock on the right is slightly larger than the aftermarket on the left

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316503507_407a939d28_z.jpg)

Here's the biggest surprise and it's hard to tell from this shitty pic but the pivot cups are now WAY better.  They're no longer shitty molded plastic.  Now all edges are smooth and they actually have rebound when you pinch them between your fingers.  They're actually so nice that I'm going to hold off on putting my riptide cups in.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48316503847_d518c071e0_z.jpg)

So I know everything made in china is supposed to be crap compared to USA made but having had 20 pairs of Ermico Indys, I can definitely say these are much better quality right out of the box
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Much appreciated for corroborating this. I too thought the casting on the new set I picked up was pretty immaculate. Maybe Ace can slide into whatever foundry this is and up their game. Forged hollow Aces would be a dream.

Lighter aces would be so tight
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on July 18, 2019, 11:48:51 PM
Got some 149 forged hollows and you can tell that there is a quality improvement. That's nice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 19, 2019, 03:00:59 AM
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Thanks for the clarification

Dang all my Indy’s have the same molded bushings too

Man I wanna know if the new machined bushings are a better quality

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Well you could just buy some of the Indy GP ones since they appear to be the same, but If you want I'll send you my stock ones. I'm going to put bones in eventually, and I effectively have 2 sets of the same ones now. They're small and light enough to fit in an envelope and I work for the gov't so I can mail small stuff for free. Just shoot me a PM if you want them.

I did skate to the store a little bit ago and though I had to crank them down a bit (I normally ride 94a or higher and tight trucks) I really liked the way they felt. Had that nice loose Indy feel but were still stable and responsive and I never felt like I was going to wheelbite or lose control. I still contend that Venture has the best stock bushings in the game but these are pretty damn close. Definitely felt better than the ones that came in my last set of standards.

Thanks!! Cool yeah that would be awesome if you could let me try those new stock design bushings, I’ve had the old gp ones and they’re alright but I think they’re taller than the stock ones no?

I’ll pm you now

Thanks again
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 19, 2019, 09:21:12 AM
Rob you are correct. I didn't notice this last night either because of the poor lighting or the fact it was past my bedtime but when I just now took the stock ones out for you I noticed a few small differences. The GP bottom bushing is ever so slightly higher than the stock one but the tops seem to be the same. Also, the stock bushing is more translucent than the GP.

No idea what any of this means, but hopefully it brings on a few bouts of truck insanity.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jums on July 19, 2019, 12:01:07 PM
Regular Independent trucks suck with stock bushings and pivot cups. They turn well with indy replacement bushings and better pivot cups.

I'm currently running black conicals with hard khiro pivot cups, loose to in the middle. Conical bushings turn so much quicker.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 19, 2019, 12:27:05 PM
not liking these Venture 5.6 at all on a 14.38 wheelbase. The board feels great, pop is fine, but they just feel really tippy off the top with no real turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 19, 2019, 12:38:45 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 19, 2019, 12:27:05 PM
not liking these Venture 5.6 at all on a 14.38 wheelbase. The board feels great, pop is fine, but they just feel really tippy off the top with no real turn.

That's a pretty long WB and Ventures stretch it out even further so that will make it a little harder to turn. Have you tried a harder bushing? I love the Venture stock ones once they break in but that can be a bit of a process. I've always been of the opinion that it isn't so much that Ventures don't turn as they turn in a different way from say an Indy or Ace - it's like you move in straight lines rather than the flowing curved lines of an Indy.

How tight are you riding them? I've always felt that I got the best performance out of Ventures keeping them fairly tight and really leaning on them but that's the lo version, I dont think I've ever skated the hi.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 19, 2019, 04:46:48 PM
Nah lemme be clear- I haven't liked them on any wheelbase. I have been riding Thunders on a 14.25 and 14.38 and it is about the same total wheelbase.  They both have the same feeling manual point more or less.

I'm not sure why I would want a harder bushing. I don't mind the top flop and prefer it, but it quickly bottoms out and, like you said, doesn't really have a curve. To me this is a unique feeling considering it doesn't happen with my Thunders, Indy, or Ace.

They're 5.6 Hi. So far I've gone 1 full turn from stock and it just makes the top flop more severe.  My Thunders I skate about 1/2 to a full turn looser than stock with the stock bushings, Indy's I use the 90A aftermarket about even with the top of the axle and I have never once touched my Ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 19, 2019, 06:02:33 PM
I've been struggling with 5.8s

First let me say that the pop is great, and they're nice and stable and the TI are fucking stupid ass light.

Stupid ass light.

Flat ground tricks and ollies are no problem, tranny work is a struggle, moreso compared to Thunders.

Riding on 14.25" WB, I wouldn't go any longer than that.
I've tried stock, they feel pretty good?
Tried ACE bottoms, low ace tops (much softer than stocks), they felt pretty good.
Tried newish bones mediums; felt terrible. Sooooo stiff.
Tried newish bones mediums with soft tops, better...
Swapped for broken in bones softs, these feel pretty good but wheelbite hell now.

Dropped back onto Indys a few days after and kinda hated it...I was so unstable and all over the fucking place.

Ventures are voodoo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 19, 2019, 06:21:08 PM
I did notice the switch from 5.8 V Lights to 5.6 cast- they have .125 to .15ish longer wheelbase per truck. The 5.6 are almost dead on with my Thunder 148 Ti Lights.

Like you I also like them in a straight line and for many flatground tricks.  I think I prefer the marginally lower height of the Ti's (I ride 52's) and like the Thunder pinch in grinds.  The Venture baseplate length is nice tho.

So far I think Thunder and Ace are my sweet spot. Ace feel so much like Indy that I will take less wheelbite. Now to have a Thunder vs. Ace showdown and then sell my old stuff and never re-visit this thread.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank on July 19, 2019, 06:33:17 PM
i am a few sessions in on a new set of 5.6s. i came from fairly loose indys, basically stock/factory tight. i run these ventures factory tight as well. i noticed that it takes more effort to get the board to actually turn, like a more conscious effort. the trucks will remain stable when indys would wobble out, it's easier for me to keep the pressure for 360 flips without the board flopping out. at the same time, the new trucks force me to land my tricks cleaner and are less forgiving on lazy landings, tricks are harder to surf out. at first i needed to get used to the pop, but have really been enjoying how the board behaves when ollieing or doing kickflips. everything feels a little more proper popped.

ideally i'd like them to loosen up a bit more, but i'll give them a few sessions, before i toss the bushings in some boiling water before a session to speed things up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on July 19, 2019, 07:04:06 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 19, 2019, 06:21:08 PM
Now to have a Thunder vs. Ace showdown

These are my two trucks of choice also. Very different trucks but IMO the best at what they do. Indy are a nice compromise between the two. I'm so tempted to try the new Venture 6.1s but these last few posts have sobered me up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on July 19, 2019, 08:15:20 PM
😂 😂 😂 😂

Fuck you guys. Ventures turn fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 19, 2019, 08:21:12 PM
Loosened them up another full turn on the way home and I can literally rock the board completely back and forth and it barely deviates from a straight line unless you just hang on the turn. Kinda annoying.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 19, 2019, 08:26:11 PM
Dude with no shirt on skates ventures.  Maybe you guys just don’t know how to turn?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BxdEEiIFZiD/?igshid=iwfebekhhnyt

Also ventures

https://www.instagram.com/p/BlCqhWrFVLD/?igshid=1a80nsfjsif18
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: B0udoir on July 19, 2019, 08:46:49 PM
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These are my two trucks of choice also.

Same here. Nothing but Ace or Thunders. Everything else is just about "compromise".
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 19, 2019, 09:00:47 PM
Quote from: B0udoir on July 19, 2019, 08:46:49 PM
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These are my two trucks of choice also.
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Same here. Nothing but Ace or Thunders. Everything else is just about "compromise".

Because boat anchor aces or wheelbite thunders aren’t compromising
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Reese on July 19, 2019, 09:13:19 PM
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Now to have a Thunder vs. Ace showdown
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These are my two trucks of choice also.
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Same here. Nothing but Ace or Thunders. Everything else is just about "compromise".
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Because boat anchor aces or wheelbite thunders aren’t compromising

Ace/Thunder alliance is the way
I'm asleep though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 19, 2019, 09:47:02 PM
Nothing is perfect. I somehow wheelbite Thunders wayyyyy less than Indy's. I never expected to be the one person this doesn't happen to. Only downside are the baseplates.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on July 19, 2019, 11:08:24 PM
Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on July 19, 2019, 07:04:06 PM
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These are my two trucks of choice also. Very different trucks but IMO the best at what they do. Indy are a nice compromise between the two. I'm so tempted to try the new Venture 6.1s but these last few posts have sobered me up.

Night and day. Thunders take a bit more effort to pop. Ace trucks makes popping the board effortless. IMO they both turn fairly well but aces give you a better turning radius.

My only issue with aces is that the stock bushings are trash.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on July 20, 2019, 12:15:03 AM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on July 19, 2019, 11:08:24 PM
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Now to have a Thunder vs. Ace showdown
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These are my two trucks of choice also. Very different trucks but IMO the best at what they do. Indy are a nice compromise between the two. I'm so tempted to try the new Venture 6.1s but these last few posts have sobered me up.
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Night and day. Thunders take a bit more effort to pop. Ace trucks makes popping the board effortless. IMO they both turn fairly well but aces give you a better turning radius.

My only issue with aces is that the stock bushings are trash.
Do you ride the new ones? Because I honestly feel that ace stock bushings are best ones I’ve ever ridden, I tried homies older aces with those stupid small nuts yesterday and they did suck tho.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 20, 2019, 06:21:41 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 19, 2019, 08:26:11 PM
Dude with no shirt on skates ventures.  Maybe you guys just don’t know how to turn?

I've been discussing this in PMs with someone who loves his ventures and inspired me to get my 7.75/venture 5.0 lo set up out for a few sessions last week and really pay attention to them. The conclusion that I came to is that it's not that ventures don't turn, it's just that they turn differently from most other trucks. Granted this was on a small setup with tight lo's, it might be different with bigger/looser setups or the hi's, but as far as actual turning radius goes it wasn't really any different from my indys or tensors.

I actually do some mismatched 5.2 hi that I haven't tried so maybe if this hellish heat chills out a bit ill put them on a deck and give them a try.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 20, 2019, 07:02:44 AM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on July 19, 2019, 11:08:24 PM
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Now to have a Thunder vs. Ace showdown
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These are my two trucks of choice also. Very different trucks but IMO the best at what they do. Indy are a nice compromise between the two. I'm so tempted to try the new Venture 6.1s but these last few posts have sobered me up.
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Night and day. Thunders take a bit more effort to pop. Ace trucks makes popping the board effortless. IMO they both turn fairly well but aces give you a better turning radius.

My only issue with aces is that the stock bushings are trash.

I find thunders pop way easier.....ie. I whiff Nollies less frequently w. Thunders.  Thunders are considerably lower.  Weight is a big reason to skate thunders.  Wheel bite and turning radius are on the Ace side...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 20, 2019, 07:14:56 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 20, 2019, 07:02:44 AM
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Quote from: ballintoohard on July 19, 2019, 06:21:08 PM
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Now to have a Thunder vs. Ace showdown
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These are my two trucks of choice also. Very different trucks but IMO the best at what they do. Indy are a nice compromise between the two. I'm so tempted to try the new Venture 6.1s but these last few posts have sobered me up.
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Night and day. Thunders take a bit more effort to pop. Ace trucks makes popping the board effortless. IMO they both turn fairly well but aces give you a better turning radius.

My only issue with aces is that the stock bushings are trash.
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I find thunders pop way easier.....ie. I whiff Nollies less frequently w. Thunders.  Thunders are considerably lower.  Weight is a big reason to skate thunders.  Wheel bite and turning radius are on the Ace side...

I agree with this. I don’t get the lucky/lazy 3flip help from thunders that I sometimes get from Indy/ace, but the pop on everything else is way more accurate. As soon as I get frustrated pushing around on 52 mm wheels I go back to ace/Indy. (Same obviously with venture lo’s). Maybe I’ll get some of the super light venture hi’s (they don’t wheelbite for me)


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 20, 2019, 08:04:24 AM
I love 52's regardless, but do notice the same pop on Thunders. Also, my 5-0's are best on them, worst on Ace.  Although the most pop I ever had was on a Polar 8.5 with Ace's. I want to find a similar nose/wheelbase on an 8.25 or 8.18 if possible
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on July 20, 2019, 09:11:57 AM
Quote from: Ok on July 20, 2019, 07:14:56 AM
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Now to have a Thunder vs. Ace showdown
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These are my two trucks of choice also. Very different trucks but IMO the best at what they do. Indy are a nice compromise between the two. I'm so tempted to try the new Venture 6.1s but these last few posts have sobered me up.
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Night and day. Thunders take a bit more effort to pop. Ace trucks makes popping the board effortless. IMO they both turn fairly well but aces give you a better turning radius.

My only issue with aces is that the stock bushings are trash.
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I find thunders pop way easier.....ie. I whiff Nollies less frequently w. Thunders.  Thunders are considerably lower.  Weight is a big reason to skate thunders.  Wheel bite and turning radius are on the Ace side...
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I agree with this. I don’t get the lucky/lazy 3flip help from thunders that I sometimes get from Indy/ace, but the pop on everything else is way more accurate. As soon as I get frustrated pushing around on 52 mm wheels I go back to ace/Indy. (Same obviously with venture lo’s). Maybe I’ll get some of the super light venture hi’s (they don’t wheelbite for me)

Oh yeah, I was referring to the Ace lows. I get way too much ghost pop with ace highs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 20, 2019, 10:28:37 AM
Never had the lo. Soft place for venture lo, but that’s the only one I’ve fucked with. What the max wheel size you can use?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on July 20, 2019, 10:49:49 AM
Quote from: Ok on July 20, 2019, 10:28:37 AM
Never had the lo. Soft place for venture lo, but that’s the only one I’ve fucked with. What the max wheel size you can use?
Quote from: Krooked antihero  on July 20, 2019, 12:15:03 AM
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Now to have a Thunder vs. Ace showdown
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These are my two trucks of choice also. Very different trucks but IMO the best at what they do. Indy are a nice compromise between the two. I'm so tempted to try the new Venture 6.1s but these last few posts have sobered me up.
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Night and day. Thunders take a bit more effort to pop. Ace trucks makes popping the board effortless. IMO they both turn fairly well but aces give you a better turning radius.

My only issue with aces is that the stock bushings are trash.
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Do you ride the new ones? Because I honestly feel that ace stock bushings are best ones I’ve ever ridden, I tried homies older aces with those stupid small nuts yesterday and they did suck tho.

Are the new ones the ones with bushings that pop out of the washers?


Quote from: Ok on July 20, 2019, 10:28:37 AM
Never had the lo. Soft place for venture lo, but that’s the only one I’ve fucked with. What the max wheel size you can use?

With the amount of wheel bite that I get with venture lows, I wouldn't go with anything past 50s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 20, 2019, 11:27:39 AM
Quote from: Ok on July 20, 2019, 10:28:37 AM
Never had the lo. Soft place for venture lo, but that’s the only one I’ve fucked with. What the max wheel size you can use?

I basically only skated Venture Lo growing up minus the few times my grandma got me a Christmas complete and I attempted to skate Furys and Tensors. Honestly 50 is the biggest I preferred, 51 and deal with a bit of bite until they wear in. 52 and you better like ur shit tiiiiight
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 20, 2019, 11:38:07 AM
Maybe I’m super wack (I am) but damn, pushing anywhere on 50 is not hot. I skate better on lo trucks, especially now being extra dusty and perpetually tired, but having to carry my shit to the spot hurts
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on July 20, 2019, 04:39:19 PM
So I received my Theeve TiAX’s in the mail and noticed one of the trucks is significantly heavier than the other. Both had the TiAX indicator on the hanger, identical looking axles so it’s hard to tell titanium vs chromoly like Indy’s, their TI’s have a blueish haze axle. I also had my lady confirm holding each one together and separately so I could have a second opinion. Unfortunately I don’t have a scale. But I’m sending them back. Messing with my OCD. Guess I’ll never be skating Theeve’s :-*
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on July 21, 2019, 06:26:31 AM
Make a balance with a plank of wood and some deodorant. Place one truck on each side and see if it still balances.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 21, 2019, 06:52:51 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 20, 2019, 04:39:19 PM
So I received my Theeve TiAX’s in the mail and noticed one of the trucks is significantly heavier than the other. Both had the TiAX indicator on the hanger, identical looking axles so it’s hard to tell titanium vs chromoly like Indy’s, their TI’s have a blueish haze axle. I also had my lady confirm holding each one together and separately so I could have a second opinion. Unfortunately I don’t have a scale. But I’m sending them back. Messing with my OCD. Guess I’ll never be skating Theeve’s :-*

Take a magnet and try to stick it to the axles.  If they're steel, the magnet will stick.  if they're titanium, it will not.

If both trucks have titanium axles, the weight difference is probably in your head.  The biggest weight difference that I've found between two identical trucks is 5g which is roughly the weight of a single nickle
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AngryBlackMan on July 21, 2019, 10:37:36 AM
All this venture talk is making me want to put my 5.8s back on.  I run them with a flat washer on the bottom and top with Indy hard or medium hard thunder bushings and with riptide pivot cups and I have no problems turning.  They don't carve as deep as indys but are way more stable.

I'm on titanium Indy 159s now with risers and 56mm wheels and I can skate them on street/tranny but they are tippy and I get wheelbite everywhere.  Like try to do a 5050 on a ledge and land in wheelbite, do a slappy and get wheelbite and get pitched off.  I usually just live with it but the more street I skate the more I want to put my ventures back on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on July 21, 2019, 11:41:16 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 20, 2019, 04:39:19 PM
So I received my Theeve TiAX’s in the mail and noticed one of the trucks is significantly heavier than the other. Both had the TiAX indicator on the hanger, identical looking axles so it’s hard to tell titanium vs chromoly like Indy’s, their TI’s have a blueish haze axle. I also had my lady confirm holding each one together and separately so I could have a second opinion. Unfortunately I don’t have a scale. But I’m sending them back. Messing with my OCD. Guess I’ll never be skating Theeve’s :-*
Honestly, you kind of deserve this. Buying Theeves....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 21, 2019, 05:33:20 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 20, 2019, 11:27:39 AM
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Never had the lo. Soft place for venture lo, but that’s the only one I’ve fucked with. What the max wheel size you can use?
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I basically only skated Venture Lo growing up minus the few times my grandma got me a Christmas complete and I attempted to skate Furys and Tensors. Honestly 50 is the biggest I preferred, 51 and deal with a bit of bite until they wear in. 52 and you better like ur shit tiiiiight

Venture Lo is also know as a venture....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on July 22, 2019, 12:53:21 AM
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Now to have a Thunder vs. Ace showdown
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These are my two trucks of choice also. Very different trucks but IMO the best at what they do. Indy are a nice compromise between the two. I'm so tempted to try the new Venture 6.1s but these last few posts have sobered me up.
[close]

Night and day. Thunders take a bit more effort to pop. Ace trucks makes popping the board effortless. IMO they both turn fairly well but aces give you a better turning radius.

My only issue with aces is that the stock bushings are trash.
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Do you ride the new ones? Because I honestly feel that ace stock bushings are best ones I’ve ever ridden, I tried homies older aces with those stupid small nuts yesterday and they did suck tho.
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Are the new ones the ones with bushings that pop out of the washers?


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With the amount of wheel bite that I get with venture lows, I wouldn't go with anything past 50s
Some people report it yeah but I haven’t noticed any of it, I skate them factory loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Utopos on July 22, 2019, 11:38:20 AM
Don't know if anyone has posted this before so my apologies ahead of time. I started getting the Krux downlow kingpins years ago and sticking them in indys, but you had to remove the truck in order to adjust them. I switched to thunders and the baseplate holds the nut stable so you can tighten them like a normal truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on July 22, 2019, 06:25:58 PM
Might put my 8” back together today. Need to buy some trucks for it, would you guys go for 139 or 144? Keeping in mind I’m mostly skating tranny and am used to 149/159.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 22, 2019, 06:28:18 PM
Quote from: texasplant on July 22, 2019, 06:25:58 PM
Might put my 8” back together today. Need to buy some trucks for it, would you guys go for 139 or 144? Keeping in mind I’m mostly skating tranny and am used to 149/159.

Shameless plug here but I'll sell you some Thunder 147s for $25 shipped. Have polished raw or black sonora.

If you're dead set on Indys though (which I totally understand) I'd go with the 144s if you're ok with having a slightly wider truck than deck. You can get the FH ones for not much more than standards on amazon/ebay, but you might have to settle for red.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on July 22, 2019, 06:35:22 PM
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Shameless plug here but I'll sell you some Thunder 147s for $25 shipped. Have polished raw or black sonora.

If you're dead set on Indys though (which I totally understand) I'd go with the 144s if you're ok with having a slightly wider truck than deck. You can get the FH ones for not much more than standards on amazon/ebay, but you might have to settle for red.

Thanks for the offer, pretty set on Indy’s though! 144 is what I was thinking.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 22, 2019, 06:46:33 PM
Selling my 5.6 cast Ventures and 5.8 V Lites if anyone wants em. Pretty minimal use. DM me and I can text ya pics. Fucking out on those trucks.  Back to Thunders or Aces
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on July 22, 2019, 07:16:55 PM
So I stepped on a dude’s 8.25” board at the park today. It had Thunder team 148’s with the stock bushings and washers. Kingpin nuts flush. I turned just as impressively fast and deep like my Ace’s. High rebound feeling from the bushings, could wobble back and forth slalom style, no wheelbite.

I have no idea what is real anymore.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 22, 2019, 07:41:28 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 22, 2019, 07:16:55 PM
So I stepped on a dude’s 8.25” board at the park today. It had Thunder team 148’s with the stock bushings and washers. Kingpin nuts flush. I turned just as impressively fast and deep like my Ace’s. High rebound feeling from the bushings, could wobble back and forth slalom style, no wheelbite.

I have no idea what is real anymore.

Same. Set up my Team 149's out of boredom last week and forgot how much I dug them. I still get a little wheelbite, but so do my Aces....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on July 22, 2019, 07:46:23 PM
Quote from: palelight on July 22, 2019, 07:41:28 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 22, 2019, 07:16:55 PM
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So I stepped on a dude’s 8.25” board at the park today. It had Thunder team 148’s with the stock bushings and washers. Kingpin nuts flush. I turned just as impressively fast and deep like my Ace’s. High rebound feeling from the bushings, could wobble back and forth slalom style, no wheelbite.

I have no idea what is real anymore.
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Same. Set up my Team 149's out of boredom last week and forgot how much I dug them. I still get a little wheelbite, but so do my Aces....

Glad I’m not alone on this. My truck madness is back, now I’ll probably have to buy 151’s since it’s the closest thing I can fit on my 9” popsicle. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 22, 2019, 07:47:41 PM
Ben Degros reviewing ventures.  Turning just fine for him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXKdvimc_oU&t=0s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 22, 2019, 08:08:40 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 22, 2019, 07:47:41 PM
Ben Degros reviewing ventures.  Turning just fine for him

More power to the folks who can make them work, truly. I gave the 5.8's a try about a year and a half ago, for about a solid 2 months. I could not get them to work for me or the way I skated. I think Venture's sick. Great branding. Tons of pros I back, but I couldn't do it. I'm against truisms when it comes to gear, so I'd never write them off completely, but for me, they didn't work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on July 22, 2019, 08:27:02 PM
Ben just convinced, me, I'm sticking to Thunder and Ace. His description of the turn was basically "Don't be a baby, they're adequate." Thanks Ben!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 22, 2019, 10:47:19 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 22, 2019, 06:46:33 PM
Selling my 5.6 cast Ventures and 5.8 V Lites if anyone wants em. Pretty minimal use. DM me and I can text ya pics. Fucking out on those trucks.  Back to Thunders or Aces

How much for the 5.6 cast?

Been wanting a set but don’t want to pay brand new retail price  :P
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 22, 2019, 11:25:20 PM
Woah while watching Ben talk about the new ventures and mentioning how plugging them on a 14” wheelbase gives them a better turn gets me thinking

Maybe ventures were the best back then cause 14” wheelbase was the norm, cause small boards were the norm

The trends in skating are the reason why certain parts are better possibly, thunders are still leading in my opinion and they extend the wheel base but I think the geo covers the push out

Yeah Indy’s sell the most cause of that golden slogan “ride the best” And “preferred by the pros” but I feel thunders give the best performance and feel, you know ??
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fifty8mm on July 22, 2019, 11:42:56 PM
The set up I have right now is the best set up Ive had in years. getting all my tricks back.

I'm riding Ventures 5.2 Titanium with the forged baseplate stock purple bushings on the bottom and Red dohdohs on top. front truck flush and back truck almost one thread in. They feel a little loose specially since I weigh 243 pounds and the heat here in the valley is horrible (113° , 107° on a good day ..95° on great day) , it fucks with your bushings bad. but the wheelbite is minor and they turn awesome.

my homie that is "indy for life" really liked them when he tried my board out today. but yeah they turn way different then indys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: B0udoir on July 23, 2019, 12:07:11 AM
Quote from: rob on July 22, 2019, 11:25:20 PM
Yeah Indy’s sell the most cause of that golden slogan “ride the best” And “preferred by the pros” but I feel thunders give the best performance and feel, you know ??

Everybody knows that "Ride the best" and “preferred by the pros” are just lies to sell. However I have experienced that "loose trucks save lives" is absolutely true in practice !
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 23, 2019, 05:45:06 AM
Quote from: B0udoir on July 23, 2019, 12:07:11 AM
Quote from: rob on July 22, 2019, 11:25:20 PM
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Yeah Indy’s sell the most cause of that golden slogan “ride the best” And “preferred by the pros” but I feel thunders give the best performance and feel, you know ??
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Everybody knows that "Ride the best" and “preferred by the pros” are just lies to sell. However I have experienced that "loose trucks save lives" is absolutely true in practice !

No doubt lies but hey the riders and the slogan definitely sell

Is drives the truck madness when your watching some grant Taylor or tony hawk and you just wanna run outside and get some air riding like them by riding what they ride

Which are Indy’s

But honestly, what’s best I’ve found out is

Ride what you think is the coolest brand and set them up/tune them to your preference

Or

Find the trucks that actually groove with your style and skating, if ventures help you land more flat ground and that’s what you like to skate then stick to them and everything else will come

We all wanna ride like our fav pros and have a similar setup so we can imagine now a 900 is easier but at the end of the day the set up that will keep you consistent is the ones above, either hyped and tuned or configured from the get go to your skating
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirtjers on July 23, 2019, 07:27:30 AM
Grew up on Venture Lows and made the switch to Indy in probably 2005. My introduction to Indy was the stage 9 (and eventually 10) geometry. When the 11's came out I disliked them so much I became an eBay dweller buying up all the NOS 9's & 10's. I don't ride tight trucks at all, but there is something about the stability of those trucks that's honestly probably rooted in my origins with Venture. Don't skate much transition (mostly ledges/manuals/ street stuff) so I like how they feel stable when you're popping but turn when you want them to... instead of just being super squirlly.

Anyways, grabbed a pair of the 5.6 Venture Highs this last weekend. "New truck/going all over the place/ weird stage" was over in about 20 minutes. Bushings are a little stiff still but once they break in a little I really think they'll end up feeling like a good set of Independent Stage 10, which, I guess is not a popular thing for people on here - but always felt "default / right" to me.

Ben's logic about riding them with a small wheel base makes sense, especially for people looking for Venture to replace the modern day Independent Stage 11 turn. I have them on a 14.38 WB (which I also preferred with my Indys) and it feels awesome to me. I'm only a year or so in to WB consciousness, but I'm just shy of 6foot with really wide shoulders and the extra bit actually seemed to help. Really solid square pop and response.

Definitely think there's going to be a niche of people who really like these, but they're never going to turn like an Ace or something. Ben hit the nail on the head when he said how you feel about them is going to be based on what you're actually looking to replace. If you were a fan of the Indy geo from the 03-2012....these could be for you. If you thought the stage 11 was a gift from god it'll be a harder switch...and if you are super stoked on Ace.... these won't be what you want at all.

I don't know where I stand yet, but they're way better than I expected so far so I was compelled to comment ha!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 23, 2019, 08:25:43 AM
Quote from: palelight on July 22, 2019, 08:08:40 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on July 22, 2019, 07:47:41 PM
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Ben Degros reviewing ventures.  Turning just fine for him
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More power to the folks who can make them work, truly. I gave the 5.8's a try about a year and a half ago, for about a solid 2 months. I could not get them to work for me or the way I skated. I think Venture's sick. Great branding. Tons of pros I back, but I couldn't do it. I'm against truisms when it comes to gear, so I'd never write them off completely, but for me, they didn't work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BxLThsjBXw
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 23, 2019, 08:44:57 AM
I do have a 14.125 board I could theoretically try them on that currently has Thunders, but I am not sure how they will be different. It's worth it, but honestly I don't want to have to completely change shapes since it took so long to find a solid sweet spot. Going down to a 14in wheelbase would mean skating 31.5ish boards at 6 foot 3, which feels fucking weird.

I literally have them on one of Bobby's decks and he's obviously the shit so more power to him. IIRC he likes tighter trucks anyways, so I doubt he notices a whole lot once he gets the balance point solid.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 23, 2019, 08:54:26 AM
'Fine' and 'adequate'.....do any of you guys even speak Canadian?  You know what that means right coming from a bunch of socialists? 

are ventures still 100% made in the US? 

I'm always wondering when he talks about trucks popping like while the geometry favours one truck, I've found with thunders at least...being lower, I find less whiffing than other trucks. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirtjers on July 23, 2019, 08:55:04 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 23, 2019, 08:44:57 AM
I do have a 14.125 board I could theoretically try them on that currently has Thunders, but I am not sure how they will be different. It's worth it, but honestly I don't want to have to completely change shapes since it took so long to find a solid sweet spot. Going down to a 14in wheelbase would mean skating 31.5ish boards at 6 foot 3, which feels fucking weird.

I literally have them on one of Bobby's decks and he's obviously the shit so more power to him. IIRC he likes tighter trucks anyways, so I doubt he notices a whole lot once he gets the balance point solid.

Unless you're looking for a super surfy, ace-y feel (which you might be), i don't think Ben's WB point is as dramatic as it might seem. However i think he said it best when he said it really depends on what truck you're looking for venture to replace.

At least speaking for the timing/pop, 14.38 with the ventures feels on par or better than with my indys. i'm 3 inches shorter than you, and so far it's felt like i have way less potential for airfeet on something like ollies/nollies into grinds because i can fully extend my ollie/nollie.

i have them at factory setting, and i do think the bushings have to break in a bit more before i can fully co-sign them. but if these are anything like indys, after the first week everything settles and breaks in a little more... that's usually when i do a tighten on each truck to make them feel right. so in this case it should just naturally feel ok.

plus, thinking back... i always remember ishod running thunder 149s with the deluxe 8.25 shape.... that's the same thing. and he's the same if not shorter than you
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on July 23, 2019, 09:34:25 AM
Anyone here have any feedback on thunder stock bushings, mainly if the ones that come with the teams are any better or worse than the forged versions?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: saltusnaut on July 23, 2019, 09:44:08 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 23, 2019, 09:34:25 AM
Anyone here have any feedback on thunder stock bushings, mainly if the ones that come with the teams are any better or worse than the forged versions?

Last set of hollows had great bushings (white ones). Have a set of cast standard with transparent bluegreenish bushings that live in a box because the bushings are terrible. Way to hard, feels like something from a toystore complete
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on July 23, 2019, 10:27:39 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 23, 2019, 09:34:25 AM
Anyone here have any feedback on thunder stock bushings, mainly if the ones that come with the teams are any better or worse than the forged versions?

Their aftermarket 94d bushings feel pretty. The washers from their rebuild kit is better than stock ones too as they don't cut up the bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: camel filters on July 23, 2019, 10:39:36 AM
Ventures just look like plastic trucks you get with toy store completes to me. Like the triangle shape just looks ugly. More power to you venture heads tho. More options is always good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on July 23, 2019, 10:51:50 AM
Good pivot cups are a thing too, almost as essential as good bushings, just put some white minilogo ones on my 149mm, they seem better quality than Indy aftermarket ones and more responsive, less dead plastic feeling
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 23, 2019, 12:18:07 PM
Quote from: dirtjers on July 23, 2019, 08:55:04 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 23, 2019, 08:44:57 AM
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I do have a 14.125 board I could theoretically try them on that currently has Thunders, but I am not sure how they will be different. It's worth it, but honestly I don't want to have to completely change shapes since it took so long to find a solid sweet spot. Going down to a 14in wheelbase would mean skating 31.5ish boards at 6 foot 3, which feels fucking weird.

I literally have them on one of Bobby's decks and he's obviously the shit so more power to him. IIRC he likes tighter trucks anyways, so I doubt he notices a whole lot once he gets the balance point solid.
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Unless you're looking for a super surfy, ace-y feel (which you might be), i don't think Ben's WB point is as dramatic as it might seem. However i think he said it best when he said it really depends on what truck you're looking for venture to replace.

At least speaking for the timing/pop, 14.38 with the ventures feels on par or better than with my indys. i'm 3 inches shorter than you, and so far it's felt like i have way less potential for airfeet on something like ollies/nollies into grinds because i can fully extend my ollie/nollie.

i have them at factory setting, and i do think the bushings have to break in a bit more before i can fully co-sign them. but if these are anything like indys, after the first week everything settles and breaks in a little more... that's usually when i do a tighten on each truck to make them feel right. so in this case it should just naturally feel ok.

plus, thinking back... i always remember ishod running thunder 149s with the deluxe 8.25 shape.... that's the same thing. and he's the same if not shorter than you

I know historically that I liked Indy and Ace on my 14.38 WB Polars, and Indy/Thunders on my 14.25 WB decks. I have Thunders on a 14.125 now that is taking some getting used to. Overall I do like the Ace surf a bit for cruising/carving, but there were certain grinds that I never really liked them for for whatever reason and prefer Thunders.

So far my pop feels lower on the current Venture/14.38 setup. No matter how much I try, everything just feels lower altitude. I also kinda dislike my ability to adjust my line while pushing by weighting my front foot differently and I find the carving worse than my Thunders. I should probably try and persist, but I end up cutting sessions short because everything normal is so frustrating.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on July 23, 2019, 12:34:40 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 23, 2019, 12:18:07 PM
Quote from: dirtjers on July 23, 2019, 08:55:04 AM
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I do have a 14.125 board I could theoretically try them on that currently has Thunders, but I am not sure how they will be different. It's worth it, but honestly I don't want to have to completely change shapes since it took so long to find a solid sweet spot. Going down to a 14in wheelbase would mean skating 31.5ish boards at 6 foot 3, which feels fucking weird.

I literally have them on one of Bobby's decks and he's obviously the shit so more power to him. IIRC he likes tighter trucks anyways, so I doubt he notices a whole lot once he gets the balance point solid.
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Unless you're looking for a super surfy, ace-y feel (which you might be), i don't think Ben's WB point is as dramatic as it might seem. However i think he said it best when he said it really depends on what truck you're looking for venture to replace.

At least speaking for the timing/pop, 14.38 with the ventures feels on par or better than with my indys. i'm 3 inches shorter than you, and so far it's felt like i have way less potential for airfeet on something like ollies/nollies into grinds because i can fully extend my ollie/nollie.

i have them at factory setting, and i do think the bushings have to break in a bit more before i can fully co-sign them. but if these are anything like indys, after the first week everything settles and breaks in a little more... that's usually when i do a tighten on each truck to make them feel right. so in this case it should just naturally feel ok.

plus, thinking back... i always remember ishod running thunder 149s with the deluxe 8.25 shape.... that's the same thing. and he's the same if not shorter than you
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I know historically that I liked Indy and Ace on my 14.38 WB Polars, and Indy/Thunders on my 14.25 WB decks. I have Thunders on a 14.125 now that is taking some getting used to. Overall I do like the Ace surf a bit for cruising/carving, but there were certain grinds that I never really liked them for for whatever reason and prefer Thunders.

So far my pop feels lower on the current Venture/14.38 setup. No matter how much I try, everything just feels lower altitude. I also kinda dislike my ability to adjust my line while pushing by weighting my front foot differently and I find the carving worse than my Thunders. I should probably try and persist, but I end up cutting sessions short because everything normal is so frustrating.

Indy super soft bushings in Ventures and you’ll be steering one foot way easier than on stock Aces. It’s a nice combo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 23, 2019, 01:03:02 PM
I'll try that maybe. Bones Mediums did almost nothing it seems.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 23, 2019, 02:47:11 PM
Quote from: dirtjers on July 23, 2019, 08:55:04 AM
Unless you're looking for a super surfy, ace-y feel (which you might be), i don't think Ben's WB point is as dramatic as it might seem. However i think he said it best when he said it really depends on what truck you're looking for venture to replace.

At least speaking for the timing/pop, 14.38 with the ventures feels on par or better than with my indys. i'm 3 inches shorter than you, and so far it's felt like i have way less potential for airfeet on something like ollies/nollies into grinds because i can fully extend my ollie/nollie.

i have them at factory setting, and i do think the bushings have to break in a bit more before i can fully co-sign them. but if these are anything like indys, after the first week everything settles and breaks in a little more... that's usually when i do a tighten on each truck to make them feel right. so in this case it should just naturally feel ok.

plus, thinking back... i always remember ishod running thunder 149s with the deluxe 8.25 shape.... that's the same thing. and he's the same if not shorter than you

This. I usually really like what he has to say about things. Goes in depth without going full tinfoil-hat, but this point in the video was pretty off. WB to the degree of +/- a half inch can have a pretty massive effect on your comfortability on a board, but is going to have pretty much no impact on how a truck functions. Putting Ventures on a 13.5" wheelbase won't suddenly make them Aces, nor putting Aces on a 15.5" wb make them feel like Ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 24, 2019, 04:11:16 PM
Went back a few pages to the pictures and measurements of various trucks and had a fucked up moment:

I liked Ace's on an 8.5 Polar, which is 14.5WB and 17.25 total WB

I liked Indy's on an 8.25 deck, which is 14.25WB and 17.25 total WB

I like Thunders on an 8.28, which is 14.125WB and 17.25 total WB

I did not like Ventures on 8.25/14.25 or 8.06/14.38, which is 17.75 and 17.785 respectively. In order to like it I need a 14in wheelbase deck, or basically some of the Girl shapes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on July 24, 2019, 05:30:50 PM
Whoever has used the Krux kingpins in Thunder teams, do you find the Krux bushings allow the truck to turn the same as if it were stock? Or does it mellow out the turn? I want to make sure they turn as close to Ace as possible, so if I gotta use thunder bushings with the Krux pin I will, just wanna make sure it’ll all fit proper.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 24, 2019, 05:51:30 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 24, 2019, 04:11:16 PM
Went back a few pages to the pictures and measurements of various trucks and had a fucked up moment:

I liked Ace's on an 8.5 Polar, which is 14.5WB and 17.25 total WB

I liked Indy's on an 8.25 deck, which is 14.25WB and 17.25 total WB

I like Thunders on an 8.28, which is 14.125WB and 17.25 total WB

I did not like Ventures on 8.25/14.25 or 8.06/14.38, which is 17.75 and 17.785 respectively. In order to like it I need a 14in wheelbase deck, or basically some of the Girl shapes.

Same, except +.25 on the wheelbase for me. So, Thunders on a 14.25, Indy's on a 14.5 etc. You can pretty much be open to any truck as long as you figure out the math for the wheelbase. I definitely effed up a few times a couple years ago with much frustration. Like having Aces on Scumco with a 14" wheelbase and wanting to throw the board in a river after 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on July 24, 2019, 06:18:02 PM
I have a set of Forged Hollow 169’s which I kind of want to run Cast plates on them. Though the only cast plates I have are 149 Hollow. Will this mess with my geo?

Also curious how Ace baseplates would go on these 169 or even my 159. Will this shorten my wheelbase because of the ace plates?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 25, 2019, 03:17:32 AM
Quote from: texasplant on July 24, 2019, 06:18:02 PM
I have a set of Forged Hollow 169’s which I kind of want to run Cast plates on them. Though the only cast plates I have are 149 Hollow. Will this mess with my geo?

Also curious how Ace baseplates would go on these 169 or even my 159. Will this shorten my wheelbase because of the ace plates?

Might get some different opinions on this. Many pages ago on this thread I said it would work fine (and it did for me), but the dude who tried it said they felt totally wrong. If you already have both sets of trucks, give it a try, see how it feels to you. I recently set up an 8.5 with some forged hollow 149's, wanted to see how 159's (normal cast) would work with the shape, swapped just the hangers and they felt ok to me (ended up going back to the 149's). YMMV.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 25, 2019, 04:42:32 AM
Quote from: texasplant on July 24, 2019, 06:18:02 PM
I have a set of Forged Hollow 169’s which I kind of want to run Cast plates on them. Though the only cast plates I have are 149 Hollow. Will this mess with my geo?

Also curious how Ace baseplates would go on these 169 or even my 159. Will this shorten my wheelbase because of the ace plates?

The baseplates have the same geometry.  the only difference is the cast is 1.5mm taller
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on July 25, 2019, 06:38:13 AM
Quote from: texasplant on July 24, 2019, 06:18:02 PM
I have a set of Forged Hollow 169’s which I kind of want to run Cast plates on them. Though the only cast plates I have are 149 Hollow. Will this mess with my geo?

Also curious how Ace baseplates would go on these 169 or even my 159. Will this shorten my wheelbase because of the ace plates?


the indy baseplates are interchangable and will not mess up anything, but the baseplate will dictate the feel,
so forged plate will feel like hollows no matter the hanger.

ace base plates and indy hangers you'll have to try and tinker with bushings to reach something that feels good for you.

I used to run a frankenstein pair of tensor low base with bullet hanger and indy bushings that felt like a dream, just took some time to figure out the right bushing/washer combo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Reese on July 25, 2019, 10:58:00 AM
Quote from: jtrpma on July 25, 2019, 06:38:13 AM
The indy baseplates are interchangable and will not mess up anything, but the baseplate will dictate the feel,
so forged plate will feel like hollows no matter the hanger.

ace base plates and indy hangers you'll have to try and tinker with bushings to reach something that feels good for you.

I used to run a frankenstein pair of tensor low base with bullet hanger and indy bushings that felt like a dream, just took some time to figure out the right bushing/washer combo

You play with your food hella bad don't you?

Most I've ever done is try Indy soft bushings in indy 149's. The deep end of the turn has less resistance.. Exactly what I was looking for. Other than that, they aren't very different than the stock orange
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on July 25, 2019, 11:48:03 AM
Quote from: the snake on July 23, 2019, 10:51:50 AM
Good pivot cups are a thing too, almost as essential as good bushings, just put some white minilogo ones on my 149mm, they seem better quality than Indy aftermarket ones and more responsive, less dead plastic feeling
Any thoughts/exp on that ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on July 25, 2019, 05:48:02 PM
Speaking of Pivot cups, how much of a difference is there between Ace and Indy riptides?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SneakySecrets on July 25, 2019, 08:10:16 PM
Fellow truck nerds, does anyone know where I can get the venture 5.6 v-lights?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 25, 2019, 08:54:42 PM
Quote from: SneakySecrets on July 25, 2019, 08:10:16 PM
Fellow truck nerds, does anyone know where I can get the venture 5.6 v-lights?

You feel the pull.. it's almost magnetic. The irresistable force... you love your trucks, they've been great to you over the years. They've always been there, always supported you. Still, its eating away at you. You know deep down inside that somewhere out there, there's a truck that's just as pretty and rides the same way, but it's 20 grams lighter. That's almost a full ounce. Imagine what you could do with all that saved weight.

Now all you have to do.... is find it.

This summer, coming to a curb behind a grocery store near you.... SneakySecrets in "Truck Madness".

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on July 26, 2019, 01:52:22 AM
Quote from: palelight on July 23, 2019, 02:47:11 PM
Quote from: dirtjers on July 23, 2019, 08:55:04 AM
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Unless you're looking for a super surfy, ace-y feel (which you might be), i don't think Ben's WB point is as dramatic as it might seem. However i think he said it best when he said it really depends on what truck you're looking for venture to replace.

At least speaking for the timing/pop, 14.38 with the ventures feels on par or better than with my indys. i'm 3 inches shorter than you, and so far it's felt like i have way less potential for airfeet on something like ollies/nollies into grinds because i can fully extend my ollie/nollie.

i have them at factory setting, and i do think the bushings have to break in a bit more before i can fully co-sign them. but if these are anything like indys, after the first week everything settles and breaks in a little more... that's usually when i do a tighten on each truck to make them feel right. so in this case it should just naturally feel ok.

plus, thinking back... i always remember ishod running thunder 149s with the deluxe 8.25 shape.... that's the same thing. and he's the same if not shorter than you
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This. I usually really like what he has to say about things. Goes in depth without going full tinfoil-hat, but this point in the video was pretty off. WB to the degree of +/- a half inch can have a pretty massive effect on your comfortability on a board, but is going to have pretty much no impact on how a truck functions. Putting Ventures on a 13.5" wheelbase won't suddenly make them Aces, nor putting Aces on a 15.5" wb make them feel like Ventures.

It's not just wheelbase, though. Pretty sure in one of his vids he mentioned the importance of deck "finger space" being a major contributing factor to how trucks feel on a deck. Eg: if u pair a set of ventures (or whatever tucks that push out the axle placement more) on a deck with short finger space, then the resulting yield leverage would be way too much; offsetting any finesse you'd get out of your ride.

It's kinda tricky to figure out the right combinations sometimes. Some decks are more tailor made for certain trucks than others. I just wish there was an easier way to measure that space. Looking down at your fingers & trying to figure out how many you can fit doesn't feel very accurate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on July 26, 2019, 01:58:41 AM
Quote from: the snake on July 25, 2019, 11:48:03 AM
Quote from: the snake on July 23, 2019, 10:51:50 AM
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Good pivot cups are a thing too, almost as essential as good bushings, just put some white minilogo ones on my 149mm, they seem better quality than Indy aftermarket ones and more responsive, less dead plastic feeling
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Any thoughts/exp on that ?

Since they're under SkateOne Corp, they're probably bones bushing urethane without the plastic insert. Having used them both before it feels that way to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 26, 2019, 02:32:44 AM
Quote from: franquietits on July 26, 2019, 01:52:22 AM
It's not just wheelbase, though. Pretty sure in one of his vids he mentioned the importance of deck "finger space" being a major contributing factor to how trucks feel on a deck. Eg: if u pair a set of ventures (or whatever tucks that push out the axle placement more) on a deck with short finger space, then the resulting yield leverage would be way too much; offsetting any finesse you'd get out of your ride.

It's kinda tricky to figure out the right combinations sometimes. Some decks are more tailor made for certain trucks than others. I just wish there was an easier way to measure that space. Looking down at your fingers & trying to figure out how many you can fit doesn't feel very accurate.

I can totally back that such a measurement would have an affect on pop, timing, and overall feel (compounded by which brand of trucks you run). For sure. My only point of contention was about the deck wheelbase affecting the turn of specific truck brands, I just don't buy it, especially when he mentions like a 1/4" difference making Ventures feel 'turn-ier.' 

If you went to the extreme of throwing Ventures on a long board and then a penny board, then sure you're going to notice a massive difference in turning radius (an idiotic example I know), but I think saying a 14" wheelbase is the key to unlocking a more Indy like turn out of Ventures is bad info.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 26, 2019, 07:34:56 AM
I think ACE is the 'turniest' truck for the following reasons (in order of importance)

1) geometry
2) height
3) how they shrink the wheel base

It definitely affects things but it's further down the list.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 26, 2019, 08:28:23 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 24, 2019, 05:30:50 PM
Whoever has used the Krux kingpins in Thunder teams, do you find the Krux bushings allow the truck to turn the same as if it were stock? Or does it mellow out the turn? I want to make sure they turn as close to Ace as possible, so if I gotta use thunder bushings with the Krux pin I will, just wanna make sure it’ll all fit proper.

I tried thunders with barrels twice, it sucked (once with Krux pins).

Thunders will never turn 'as close as possible' to ACEs. If you want thunders to get turny, keep the bottom stock and sand down the top busing or throw in a soft, lo bushing or throw in bones softs and get ready for wheelbite!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 26, 2019, 10:06:13 AM
Quote from: palelight on July 26, 2019, 02:32:44 AM

I can totally back that such a measurement would have an affect on pop, timing, and overall feel (compounded by which brand of trucks you run). For sure. My only point of contention was about the deck wheelbase affecting the turn of specific truck brands, I just don't buy it, especially when he mentions like a 1/4" difference making Ventures feel 'turn-ier.' 

If you went to the extreme of throwing Ventures on a long board and then a penny board, then sure you're going to notice a massive difference in turning radius (an idiotic example I know), but I think saying a 14" wheelbase is the key to unlocking a more Indy like turn out of Ventures is bad info.

I agree with you to a point. Theres always an inherent inaccuracy when you're measuring anything in terms of an abstract concept like "feel", not to mention the fact that placebo probably plays some role, but think about how massively different 1/4" feels with regards to deck width. It's all relative to preference and what you're used to, so obviously saying "ride x wheelbase to make y feel like z" is going to mean something different to everyone, but with how much minuscule variations can alter other board characteristics I think there's probably at least a degree of validity to it. For you or I the change might be completely imperceptible, but for others it might not. Even if we were to mathematically measure overall turn from point A to point B as being identical with two different setups, you're still using an abstract measurement so it doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to feel identical to everyone.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oldbummer on July 26, 2019, 11:26:33 AM
Quote from: franquietits on July 26, 2019, 01:52:22 AM
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Unless you're looking for a super surfy, ace-y feel (which you might be), i don't think Ben's WB point is as dramatic as it might seem. However i think he said it best when he said it really depends on what truck you're looking for venture to replace.

At least speaking for the timing/pop, 14.38 with the ventures feels on par or better than with my indys. i'm 3 inches shorter than you, and so far it's felt like i have way less potential for airfeet on something like ollies/nollies into grinds because i can fully extend my ollie/nollie.

i have them at factory setting, and i do think the bushings have to break in a bit more before i can fully co-sign them. but if these are anything like indys, after the first week everything settles and breaks in a little more... that's usually when i do a tighten on each truck to make them feel right. so in this case it should just naturally feel ok.

plus, thinking back... i always remember ishod running thunder 149s with the deluxe 8.25 shape.... that's the same thing. and he's the same if not shorter than you
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This. I usually really like what he has to say about things. Goes in depth without going full tinfoil-hat, but this point in the video was pretty off. WB to the degree of +/- a half inch can have a pretty massive effect on your comfortability on a board, but is going to have pretty much no impact on how a truck functions. Putting Ventures on a 13.5" wheelbase won't suddenly make them Aces, nor putting Aces on a 15.5" wb make them feel like Ventures.
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It's not just wheelbase, though. Pretty sure in one of his vids he mentioned the importance of deck "finger space" being a major contributing factor to how trucks feel on a deck. Eg: if u pair a set of ventures (or whatever tucks that push out the axle placement more) on a deck with short finger space, then the resulting yield leverage would be way too much; offsetting any finesse you'd get out of your ride.

It's kinda tricky to figure out the right combinations sometimes. Some decks are more tailor made for certain trucks than others. I just wish there was an easier way to measure that space. Looking down at your fingers & trying to figure out how many you can fit doesn't feel very accurate.

Industry would never go for that because when you press multiple boards at the same time they will have different fingers of flat depending on where they are in the stack.  Powell is the only company that presses one board at a time I believe.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 26, 2019, 11:28:41 AM
Today I took my old 35th North deck that I thought was clapped out and put my 149 Forged Hollows back on. I had been riding it with Thunder Ti Lite 148's and before that had a few with Indies and Ventures. Aftermarket cylinder bushings, nut tightened 1/2 turn from finger tight. I almost ate shit on the first push the trucks were so much looser, but after a block and a hill bomb it was super familiar. Then had one of my best mornings of skating ever despite shit tons of wheelbite. It seems I can roll out of it fine with them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drewbearz on July 26, 2019, 12:48:12 PM
I'm riding stock 144 stage 11 indy's right now. Honestly wonderful, but they kind of leave me wanting more

I tried to switch out the bushings to the medium hard conicals though and I immediately swapped them back for the stock bushings. They felt so unstable.

Not loose, not wobbly, just unstable. I'm thinking that the medium hard's are too hard for the conical design and that I'd actually be more stable with softer conical bushings. Who the fuck knows though.

Does anyone even skate destructos anymore? I remember having the red and gold "obey" branded destructos. (I was such an edgelord back in the day) and while they looked lame as fuck(in hindsight), they actually rode halfway decent.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on July 26, 2019, 12:58:18 PM
Quote from: oldbummer on July 26, 2019, 11:26:33 AM
Quote from: franquietits on July 26, 2019, 01:52:22 AM
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Unless you're looking for a super surfy, ace-y feel (which you might be), i don't think Ben's WB point is as dramatic as it might seem. However i think he said it best when he said it really depends on what truck you're looking for venture to replace.

At least speaking for the timing/pop, 14.38 with the ventures feels on par or better than with my indys. i'm 3 inches shorter than you, and so far it's felt like i have way less potential for airfeet on something like ollies/nollies into grinds because i can fully extend my ollie/nollie.

i have them at factory setting, and i do think the bushings have to break in a bit more before i can fully co-sign them. but if these are anything like indys, after the first week everything settles and breaks in a little more... that's usually when i do a tighten on each truck to make them feel right. so in this case it should just naturally feel ok.

plus, thinking back... i always remember ishod running thunder 149s with the deluxe 8.25 shape.... that's the same thing. and he's the same if not shorter than you
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This. I usually really like what he has to say about things. Goes in depth without going full tinfoil-hat, but this point in the video was pretty off. WB to the degree of +/- a half inch can have a pretty massive effect on your comfortability on a board, but is going to have pretty much no impact on how a truck functions. Putting Ventures on a 13.5" wheelbase won't suddenly make them Aces, nor putting Aces on a 15.5" wb make them feel like Ventures.
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It's not just wheelbase, though. Pretty sure in one of his vids he mentioned the importance of deck "finger space" being a major contributing factor to how trucks feel on a deck. Eg: if u pair a set of ventures (or whatever tucks that push out the axle placement more) on a deck with short finger space, then the resulting yield leverage would be way too much; offsetting any finesse you'd get out of your ride.

It's kinda tricky to figure out the right combinations sometimes. Some decks are more tailor made for certain trucks than others. I just wish there was an easier way to measure that space. Looking down at your fingers & trying to figure out how many you can fit doesn't feel very accurate.
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Industry would never go for that because when you press multiple boards at the same time they will have different fingers of flat depending on where they are in the stack.  Powell is the only company that presses one board at a time I believe.

Dwindle does 1 deck at a time
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on July 26, 2019, 02:29:09 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on July 26, 2019, 10:06:13 AM
I agree with you to a point. Theres always an inherent inaccuracy when you're measuring anything in terms of an abstract concept like "feel", not to mention the fact that placebo probably plays some role, but think about how massively different 1/4" feels with regards to deck width. It's all relative to preference and what you're used to, so obviously saying "ride x wheelbase to make y feel like z" is going to mean something different to everyone, but with how much minuscule variations can alter other board characteristics I think there's probably at least a degree of validity to it. For you or I the change might be completely imperceptible, but for others it might not. Even if we were to mathematically measure overall turn from point A to point B as being identical with two different setups, you're still using an abstract measurement so it doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to feel identical to everyone.

That’s a great point for someone who did such a terrible grip job.

I switched over to bones hards in my 5.8 V-lights, the stocks blew out. At first they felt way too hard and the extra effort it took to get a quick turn sucked. But after two sessions they softened up enough and respond how I need them to now. They do feel more stable than just with stocks but not in a bad way at all. I ran and threw my board down for a small euro gap and got no twitch at all, it was almost weird to have that much control haha.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 26, 2019, 05:55:35 PM
Quote from: tangar on July 26, 2019, 02:29:09 PM

That’s a great point for someone who did such a terrible grip job.

I switched over to bones hards in my 5.8 V-lights, the stocks blew out. At first they felt way too hard and the extra effort it took to get a quick turn sucked. But after two sessions they softened up enough and respond how I need them to now. They do feel more stable than just with stocks but not in a bad way at all. I ran and threw my board down for a small euro gap and got no twitch at all, it was almost weird to have that much control haha.

I had a pair of dusty kitchen scissors and a fucking scalpel that I had already dulled doing another hack-ass grip job! I might as well have been tearing it with my teeth. I keep meaning to steal a new utility knife from work but forgetting.

Did you get the white or the black ones? I still have no idea if there's even a difference and this is probably all in my head anyways, but the white seemed a little harder out of the box/didnt break in as easily as the blacks. I initially started skating them because my balance was so shit when I started again but I still use them on some setups because that stability and control is really useful in certain situations (theres a reason freestyle guys all use super hard bushings) and they don't affect the actual turning ability as much as I thought they would. The feel is definitely different but I havent really run into any situations where I thought I could make a turn on softer bushings but not the bones hards.  I also like the fact that I feel more comfortable going fast and that I can dig my heels in hard on slides. I really like them in Thunders, not so much in Indys, and I've never actually tried them in Ventures but your post makes me curious so I'm going to set some up right now.

Did any of you faithful venture guys notice a change in the stock bushing quality at some point? My older red stock ones are some of my favorite bushings period. They're firm without being too hard and seem to be in my sweetspot but I tried the white ones from a newer 5.2 and was kind of disappointed that they felt way softer. Almost like the stock indy bushings actually. I want to get a set of the 5.8 V-Hollows but the only ones I can find are the Prod ones and I just don't know if I can bring myself to buy something with that fucking 80's trans-am hood graphic on it. If anyone knows where to get a pair of just regular polished please let me know.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SkinSideDown on July 26, 2019, 05:57:40 PM
Find a truck that works with your wheelbase. Indy, Ace and Thunder. End of story
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 26, 2019, 06:02:58 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 26, 2019, 08:28:23 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on July 24, 2019, 05:30:50 PM
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Whoever has used the Krux kingpins in Thunder teams, do you find the Krux bushings allow the truck to turn the same as if it were stock? Or does it mellow out the turn? I want to make sure they turn as close to Ace as possible, so if I gotta use thunder bushings with the Krux pin I will, just wanna make sure it’ll all fit proper.
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I tried thunders with barrels twice, it sucked (once with Krux pins).

Thunders will never turn 'as close as possible' to ACEs. If you want thunders to get turny, keep the bottom stock and sand down the top busing or throw in a soft, lo bushing or throw in bones softs and get ready for wheelbite!

I put the krux k/p's in my thunder w. Thunder bushings and they felt like thunders....

I've got the krux k/p's in my ACEs with Indy bushings and they feel like ACES with Indy bushings...

Maybe Theeves are the closest turn to an ACE? 

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 26, 2019, 06:05:28 PM
Quote from: SkinSideDown on July 26, 2019, 05:57:40 PM
Find a truck that works with your wheelbase. Indy, Ace and Thunder. End of story

You're in the wrong place son. We don't take too kindly to folks like you round these parts.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SkinSideDown on July 26, 2019, 06:27:08 PM
149 Forged Indys with Bones hard. 14.25 wheelbase deck . tried and trued 👌
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 26, 2019, 07:21:21 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 26, 2019, 06:02:58 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 26, 2019, 08:28:23 AM
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Whoever has used the Krux kingpins in Thunder teams, do you find the Krux bushings allow the truck to turn the same as if it were stock? Or does it mellow out the turn? I want to make sure they turn as close to Ace as possible, so if I gotta use thunder bushings with the Krux pin I will, just wanna make sure it’ll all fit proper.
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I tried thunders with barrels twice, it sucked (once with Krux pins).

Thunders will never turn 'as close as possible' to ACEs. If you want thunders to get turny, keep the bottom stock and sand down the top busing or throw in a soft, lo bushing or throw in bones softs and get ready for wheelbite!
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I put the krux k/p's in my thunder w. Thunder bushings and they felt like thunders....

I've got the krux k/p's in my ACEs with Indy bushings and they feel like ACES with Indy bushings...

Maybe Theeves are the closest turn to an ACE?

Krux pins in Cast thunder plates were fine for me, with conical bushings, with barrels they just lost their thunder.

Now that Ace perfected their bushings for their truck (I've tried them in: ML, Thunder, Venture, Indy, Theeve and ACE); they work the best in ACE, hands down; great in indy (better than indy bushings) and great in ML (ML stocks are pretty hard if you get the white bushings, they're 94d). I did not like them in Ventures, thunders or theeves.

Theeves are the closest you'll get to ACE for sure, with the right conicals.

Currently riding Ventures with Bones softs top and bottom.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nollie FS 180 on July 26, 2019, 07:24:41 PM
Should I get new trucks soon? My Indy’s pivot cup is cracked, it hasn’t changed how it felt but meh I’ve grinder them down enough to feel satisfied.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on July 26, 2019, 07:40:22 PM
It's sad that the DLX hype machine is convincing people something they shat on for a decade is now THE best option in the game.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on July 26, 2019, 08:13:28 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 26, 2019, 07:40:22 PM
It's sad that the DLX hype machine is convincing people something they shat on for a decade is now THE best option in the game.
You bought in to it 🤷‍♂️ You’re just salty you’re out $40 because you can’t figure out how to fucking turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 26, 2019, 08:27:43 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on July 26, 2019, 07:40:22 PM
It's sad that the DLX hype machine is convincing people something they shat on for a decade is now THE best option in the game.

Clearly this forum isn't thinking their the best option but the hype is real.

Hell, I bought into it because they FINALLY made some hollow/tis in something larger than an 8" - still surprised they didn't do any 8.25" forged hollow/ti yet when with an 8.5" version (and in fucking guido gold).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oldbummer on July 26, 2019, 10:53:58 PM
Kader just posted an 8.25 deck with Ventures
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on July 27, 2019, 01:37:51 AM
Quote from: oldbummer on July 26, 2019, 10:53:58 PM
Kader just posted an 8.25 deck with Ventures

I thought he had shrunk his board by a bit. Weird considering he skates for Indy but he’s basically been skating every brand anyways the whole time
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on July 27, 2019, 02:00:58 AM
Quote from: the snake on July 25, 2019, 11:48:03 AM
Quote from: the snake on July 23, 2019, 10:51:50 AM
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Good pivot cups are a thing too, almost as essential as good bushings, just put some white minilogo ones on my 149mm, they seem better quality than Indy aftermarket ones and more responsive, less dead plastic feeling
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Any thoughts/exp on that ?
DO NOT BUY MINILOGO PIVOT CUPS. THEY ARE STRAIGHT UP HARD ASS PLASTIC (NOT URETHANE) AND THEY DEFORM AND BREAK WITHIN A DAY OF SKATING. ALSO INDY AFTERMARKET CUPS SUCK DICK. THEYRE REALLY CREAKY AND START STRETCHING AROUND THE HANGER UNTIL A HOLE DEVELOPS AFTER ABOUT A WEEK OF SKATING. THIS HAPPENS NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF BUSHING SETUP YOU HAVE. JUST KEEP USING THE “SHITTY” STOCK ONES UNTIL THEY ARE UNRIDEABLE (*IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO GREASE/LUBE BEFORE RIDING) (LOL) AND THEN TRY TO GET NON BRANDED PIVOT CUPS IF YOUR LOCAL SHOP SELLS THEM. DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT SPEND MORE THAN A DOLLAR OR TWO FOR PIVOT CUPS, AND DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT BUYING THEM IF YOU DONT ABSOLUTELY NEED NEW ONES.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on July 27, 2019, 02:19:12 AM
Quote from: rob on July 23, 2019, 05:45:06 AM
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Yeah Indy’s sell the most cause of that golden slogan “ride the best” And “preferred by the pros” but I feel thunders give the best performance and feel, you know ??
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Everybody knows that "Ride the best" and “preferred by the pros” are just lies to sell. However I have experienced that "loose trucks save lives" is absolutely true in practice !
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No doubt lies but hey the riders and the slogan definitely sell

Is drives the truck madness when your watching some grant Taylor or tony hawk and you just wanna run outside and get some air riding like them by riding what they ride

Which are Indy’s

But honestly, what’s best I’ve found out is

Ride what you think is the coolest brand and set them up/tune them to your preference

Or

Find the trucks that actually groove with your style and skating, if ventures help you land more flat ground and that’s what you like to skate then stick to them and everything else will come

We all wanna ride like our fav pros and have a similar setup so we can imagine now a 900 is easier but at the end of the day the set up that will keep you consistent is the ones above, either hyped and tuned or configured from the get go to your skating
unless you ride a walmart board, no board will stop you from landing tricks. i know that's not the point, but skateboarding is mostly about how you feel. the “best” setup changes every time you skate because of temperatures changing, different spots, different tricks etc. but if you're confident and committed enough, you're gonna make the trick anyway. i find that confidence isn't really a permanent thing though...but i guess that's why we always tinker with our setups, to hype ourselves up to actually go skate...which is kinda perverted since if you actually loved skating, you would just go skating and be happy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on July 27, 2019, 02:22:33 AM
is it just me that thinks indy stock bushings have better rebound than aftermarket ones? is there a company that makes bushings that feel exactly like stock indy bushings that last longer?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 27, 2019, 04:10:41 AM
Quote from: I AM on July 27, 2019, 02:22:33 AM
is it just me that thinks indy stock bushings have better rebound than aftermarket ones? is there a company that makes bushings that feel exactly like stock indy bushings that last longer?

Are you talking about the new stock bushings on the FH/Titaniums or the old ones on the standards? If you go back a few pages there was a discussion on the topic. I really enjoyed the new ones but I sent them to Rob so he could try them and give his thoughts. I'm currently searching for similar aftermarket bushings as well, I have an order for the indy blue 92a and hard luck 90a on the way and I'm planning on trying supercush and riptide next.

I liked riding doh doh blue barrels on the bottom and bones medium on top, but it does sacrifice some of the classic indy feel. I think Rob said he was doing something similar and had the same impression.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on July 27, 2019, 04:55:06 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on July 27, 2019, 04:10:41 AM
Quote from: I AM on July 27, 2019, 02:22:33 AM
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is it just me that thinks indy stock bushings have better rebound than aftermarket ones? is there a company that makes bushings that feel exactly like stock indy bushings that last longer?
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Are you talking about the new stock bushings on the FH/Titaniums or the old ones on the standards? If you go back a few pages there was a discussion on the topic. I really enjoyed the new ones but I sent them to Rob so he could try them and give his thoughts. I'm currently searching for similar aftermarket bushings as well, I have an order for the indy blue 92a and hard luck 90a on the way and I'm planning on trying supercush and riptide next.

I liked riding doh doh blue barrels on the bottom and bones medium on top, but it does sacrifice some of the classic indy feel. I think Rob said he was doing something similar and had the same impression.
im talking about the old ones. i like riding bushings without the top washer and old indy stock ones were perfect for this because they didn't create a crevice where the nut would go, they retained their original shape whereas with the aftermarket ones, you have to tighten the nut more and more each session because the nut would dig in and the bushing wouldn't rebound to it's original shape. have you noticed how “high rebound” bushings don't actually rebound to their original shapes? they always get like a millimeter shorter. infuriating.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 27, 2019, 05:31:26 AM
Quote from: I AM on July 27, 2019, 02:00:58 AM
Quote from: the snake on July 25, 2019, 11:48:03 AM
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Good pivot cups are a thing too, almost as essential as good bushings, just put some white minilogo ones on my 149mm, they seem better quality than Indy aftermarket ones and more responsive, less dead plastic feeling
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Any thoughts/exp on that ?
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DO NOT BUY MINILOGO PIVOT CUPS. THEY ARE STRAIGHT UP HARD ASS PLASTIC (NOT URETHANE) AND THEY DEFORM AND BREAK WITHIN A DAY OF SKATING. ALSO INDY AFTERMARKET CUPS SUCK DICK. THEYRE REALLY CREAKY AND START STRETCHING AROUND THE HANGER UNTIL A HOLE DEVELOPS AFTER ABOUT A WEEK OF SKATING. THIS HAPPENS NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF BUSHING SETUP YOU HAVE. JUST KEEP USING THE “SHITTY” STOCK ONES UNTIL THEY ARE UNRIDEABLE (*IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO GREASE/LUBE BEFORE RIDING) (LOL) AND THEN TRY TO GET NON BRANDED PIVOT CUPS IF YOUR LOCAL SHOP SELLS THEM. DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT SPEND MORE THAN A DOLLAR OR TWO FOR PIVOT CUPS, AND DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT BUYING THEM IF YOU DONT ABSOLUTELY NEED NEW ONES.

Homie, why are you yelling?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on July 27, 2019, 05:32:57 AM
Quote from: Xen on July 26, 2019, 07:21:21 PM
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Whoever has used the Krux kingpins in Thunder teams, do you find the Krux bushings allow the truck to turn the same as if it were stock? Or does it mellow out the turn? I want to make sure they turn as close to Ace as possible, so if I gotta use thunder bushings with the Krux pin I will, just wanna make sure it’ll all fit proper.
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I tried thunders with barrels twice, it sucked (once with Krux pins).

Thunders will never turn 'as close as possible' to ACEs. If you want thunders to get turny, keep the bottom stock and sand down the top busing or throw in a soft, lo bushing or throw in bones softs and get ready for wheelbite!
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I put the krux k/p's in my thunder w. Thunder bushings and they felt like thunders....

I've got the krux k/p's in my ACEs with Indy bushings and they feel like ACES with Indy bushings...

Maybe Theeves are the closest turn to an ACE?
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Krux pins in Cast thunder plates were fine for me, with conical bushings, with barrels they just lost their thunder.

Now that Ace perfected their bushings for their truck (I've tried them in: ML, Thunder, Venture, Indy, Theeve and ACE); they work the best in ACE, hands down; great in indy (better than indy bushings) and great in ML (ML stocks are pretty hard if you get the white bushings, they're 94d). I did not like them in Ventures, thunders or theeves.

Theeves are the closest you'll get to ACE for sure, with the right conicals.

Currently riding Ventures with Bones softs top and bottom.

Thank you, I’m gonna not buy the Thunders and just remember that I am forever stuck with Ace’s which is not a bad thing haha.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on July 27, 2019, 05:43:44 AM
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Good pivot cups are a thing too, almost as essential as good bushings, just put some white minilogo ones on my 149mm, they seem better quality than Indy aftermarket ones and more responsive, less dead plastic feeling
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Any thoughts/exp on that ?
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DO NOT BUY MINILOGO PIVOT CUPS. THEY ARE STRAIGHT UP HARD ASS PLASTIC (NOT URETHANE) AND THEY DEFORM AND BREAK WITHIN A DAY OF SKATING. ALSO INDY AFTERMARKET CUPS SUCK DICK. THEYRE REALLY CREAKY AND START STRETCHING AROUND THE HANGER UNTIL A HOLE DEVELOPS AFTER ABOUT A WEEK OF SKATING. THIS HAPPENS NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF BUSHING SETUP YOU HAVE. JUST KEEP USING THE “SHITTY” STOCK ONES UNTIL THEY ARE UNRIDEABLE (*IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO GREASE/LUBE BEFORE RIDING) (LOL) AND THEN TRY TO GET NON BRANDED PIVOT CUPS IF YOUR LOCAL SHOP SELLS THEM. DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT SPEND MORE THAN A DOLLAR OR TWO FOR PIVOT CUPS, AND DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT BUYING THEM IF YOU DONT ABSOLUTELY NEED NEW ONES.
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Homie, why are you yelling?
cuz it needs to b heard
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 27, 2019, 07:36:43 AM
Quote from: I AM on July 27, 2019, 04:55:06 AM
im talking about the old ones. i like riding bushings without the top washer and old indy stock ones were perfect for this because they didn't create a crevice where the nut would go, they retained their original shape whereas with the aftermarket ones, you have to tighten the nut more and more each session because the nut would dig in and the bushing wouldn't rebound to it's original shape. have you noticed how “high rebound” bushings don't actually rebound to their original shapes? they always get like a millimeter shorter. infuriating.

Huh. I've never actually tried riding without any washer at all. Have you ever considered trying those khiro ones with the built-in aluminum washer and sleeve? I don't know what the quality is like but I'd assume they're more resistant to deformation.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on July 27, 2019, 07:52:45 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on July 27, 2019, 07:36:43 AM
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im talking about the old ones. i like riding bushings without the top washer and old indy stock ones were perfect for this because they didn't create a crevice where the nut would go, they retained their original shape whereas with the aftermarket ones, you have to tighten the nut more and more each session because the nut would dig in and the bushing wouldn't rebound to it's original shape. have you noticed how “high rebound” bushings don't actually rebound to their original shapes? they always get like a millimeter shorter. infuriating.
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Huh. I've never actually tried riding without any washer at all. Have you ever considered trying those khiro ones with the built-in aluminum washer and sleeve? I don't know what the quality is like but I'd assume they're more resistant to deformation.
i have. they really negate the purpose of not having top washers because the washer is built in...and if you ride as loose as i do, they're guaranteed to split and break.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on July 27, 2019, 08:41:42 AM
any way i can get hard bushings to have atleast some give/turn? another bones hc blew out and the only ones i could find to skate the same day were indy hards, barely got to cruise before it pissed it down. skating tomorrow and i cant get to the skate shop until monday.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 27, 2019, 10:25:06 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on July 27, 2019, 08:41:42 AM
any way i can get hard bushings to have atleast some give/turn? another bones hc blew out and the only ones i could find to skate the same day were indy hards, barely got to cruise before it pissed it down. skating tomorrow and i cant get to the skate shop until monday.

Some people feel boiling them helps break them in?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 27, 2019, 11:51:41 AM
Quote from: Xen on July 27, 2019, 10:25:06 AM
Some people feel boiling them helps break them in?

Is there like a technique to doing this? I tried it with those shitty tensor stock ones and also with the white stock ventures and all it did was make them wet. I just boiled a cup of water in the microwave and chucked them in and let it sit until it cooled enough for me to fish them out, then let them cool down to ambient before I put them in. Neither felt any different.

With bones hard what I do is just put them in and then tighten them down a little beyond what I ride them at and just rock back and forth heel to toe on my deck while I watch TV or something. It feels really stupid and probably looks ridiculous but it works somewhat and its a good calf stretch too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on July 27, 2019, 12:28:19 PM
i guess boiling on the stove wouldnt be too bad of an idea, theyd probably rebound to their original hardness fairly quick but if you can fish em out, stick em in and rock it back and forth a bit they could loosen up somewhat.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on July 27, 2019, 01:07:21 PM
It’s 1000 degrees outside. Just go skate or leave your trucks out in the sun all afternoon.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on July 27, 2019, 01:48:14 PM
on the contrary i live in england and its 15c, pissing down with rain and nearly 10pm at night so stick that sun up yer arse
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nollie FS 180 on July 27, 2019, 01:58:56 PM
I can confirm that the boiling thing kinda works. The bushings do get softer but it’s not too noticeable. As for breaking them in,  it works. I boiled soles bones blues and put them in and they felt better with a quicker response than before. Only complaint is that they can misshape your bushing or break them so be careful.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank on July 27, 2019, 04:17:06 PM
the boiling thing only works if you put them back in and skate the trucks immediately. it doesn't make them much softer but helps with the breaking in process. this is unnecessary if you live in a considerably hot environment or just have enough patience.

i ended up just skating my new ventures as it is. they are totally fine and ride as expected now. feels less dorky than riding indys, but i can take almost the same turns.

but check this:

i was skating a friends 12 year old cruiser board today, which was equipped with hurricanes, of all trucks. nevertheless that thing turned sharp as hell. he said there were some aftermarket bushings in them but he couldn't remember which ones, but they weren't bones. anyways, those trucks, which i initially mistook for destructos for some reason(probably cause they actually turned), were super fun to ride. there were some stereo cruiser wheels about 58 mm on this board and the trucks were mounted on some fat ass risers, so you could really lean in.

not sure what to think of this tbh. lots of peers had hurricane trucks back when i started skating back then, but we would ride our trucks tight as fuck, too. it was cool tho.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 27, 2019, 04:58:49 PM
Holy shit thats a name I haven't heard in forever. There was a kid in my school who had the white Willy Santos ones. I watched him beat the living shit out of his brother over a broken Coolio CD, like full on choked him til he passed out and probably would have killed him if we hadn't pulled him off psychotic rage sort of thing. I wonder if he still has those trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 27, 2019, 05:19:01 PM
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Good pivot cups are a thing too, almost as essential as good bushings, just put some white minilogo ones on my 149mm, they seem better quality than Indy aftermarket ones and more responsive, less dead plastic feeling
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Any thoughts/exp on that ?
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DO NOT BUY MINILOGO PIVOT CUPS. THEY ARE STRAIGHT UP HARD ASS PLASTIC (NOT URETHANE) AND THEY DEFORM AND BREAK WITHIN A DAY OF SKATING. ALSO INDY AFTERMARKET CUPS SUCK DICK. THEYRE REALLY CREAKY AND START STRETCHING AROUND THE HANGER UNTIL A HOLE DEVELOPS AFTER ABOUT A WEEK OF SKATING. THIS HAPPENS NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF BUSHING SETUP YOU HAVE. JUST KEEP USING THE “SHITTY” STOCK ONES UNTIL THEY ARE UNRIDEABLE (*IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO GREASE/LUBE BEFORE RIDING) (LOL) AND THEN TRY TO GET NON BRANDED PIVOT CUPS IF YOUR LOCAL SHOP SELLS THEM. DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT SPEND MORE THAN A DOLLAR OR TWO FOR PIVOT CUPS, AND DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT BUYING THEM IF YOU DONT ABSOLUTELY NEED NEW ONES.

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So you 'broke' them in one day, yet a hole developed over a week of skating. You rode them broken for a week?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on July 27, 2019, 07:40:54 PM
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Good pivot cups are a thing too, almost as essential as good bushings, just put some white minilogo ones on my 149mm, they seem better quality than Indy aftermarket ones and more responsive, less dead plastic feeling
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Any thoughts/exp on that ?
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DO NOT BUY MINILOGO PIVOT CUPS. THEY ARE STRAIGHT UP HARD ASS PLASTIC (NOT URETHANE) AND THEY DEFORM AND BREAK WITHIN A DAY OF SKATING. ALSO INDY AFTERMARKET CUPS SUCK DICK. THEYRE REALLY CREAKY AND START STRETCHING AROUND THE HANGER UNTIL A HOLE DEVELOPS AFTER ABOUT A WEEK OF SKATING. THIS HAPPENS NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF BUSHING SETUP YOU HAVE. JUST KEEP USING THE “SHITTY” STOCK ONES UNTIL THEY ARE UNRIDEABLE (*IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO GREASE/LUBE BEFORE RIDING) (LOL) AND THEN TRY TO GET NON BRANDED PIVOT CUPS IF YOUR LOCAL SHOP SELLS THEM. DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT SPEND MORE THAN A DOLLAR OR TWO FOR PIVOT CUPS, AND DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT BUYING THEM IF YOU DONT ABSOLUTELY NEED NEW ONES.
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So you 'broke' them in one day, yet a hole developed over a week of skating. You rode them broken for a week?
when did i ever say i rode the minilogo ones for a week?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 27, 2019, 08:44:08 PM


So you didn't?
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Post by: I AM on July 27, 2019, 09:26:39 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 27, 2019, 08:44:08 PM


So you didn't?
yes. like i said, they deformed and broke within a day of skating.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: weon on July 28, 2019, 01:47:37 AM
he skated the minilogos for a day and the indys for a week
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Post by: bbk on July 28, 2019, 04:47:58 AM
I've been riding mini logo pivot cups a lot, no issues at all.
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Post by: the snake on July 28, 2019, 05:54:35 AM
Quote from: bbk on July 28, 2019, 04:47:58 AM
I've been riding mini logo pivot cups a lot, no issues at all.
good to hear, 3-4 sessions in and they still feel nice

Quote from: Weon on July 28, 2019, 01:47:37 AM
he skated the minilogos for a day and the indys for a week
haha he must be Galactus lil' cousin, the pivot cup devourer one
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on July 28, 2019, 06:16:04 AM
Where they on new trucks? Or where they on some worn out ovalized mangled hanger and baseplate
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Silky Johnson on July 28, 2019, 02:25:38 PM
First session completed with some Venture 5.8 highs and I'm in love.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on July 28, 2019, 03:18:40 PM
I impulsively ordered Riptide pivot cups for my 149's.  By impulsively, I mean I was hungover and making bad decisions.  I'm skeptical, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Monkey_Mcpott on July 28, 2019, 06:02:12 PM
Do you guys change bushings as soon as they mush out or keep it going? I normally would keep it going but my 88a Indy bushings mushed out today and I cant seem to get comfortable with again. Like I felt it the second it mushed out. Whats the most times you guys have swapped out bushings per set of trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on July 28, 2019, 06:16:30 PM
Not instantly but my bones meds have held on longer than i anticipated, i find sometimes once they mush out they're still manageable so long as theres no real ovaling in the seat hole
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 28, 2019, 07:08:33 PM
Quote from: Monkey_Mcpott on July 28, 2019, 06:02:12 PM
Do you guys change bushings as soon as they mush out or keep it going? I normally would keep it going but my 88a Indy bushings mushed out today and I cant seem to get comfortable with again. Like I felt it the second it mushed out. Whats the most times you guys have swapped out bushings per set of trucks?

Despite the amount I post in this thread, I try to keep my shit stock when possible. I used to carry over my old bushings to new trucks but now often have to replace the bushings at least once during the life of the truck.

Weird they'd mush out so decisively, never had that with the Indy aftermarkets. Can you see if they tore or chunked out? I had a stock set of the orange 90a Indy's that tore from top to bottom, when I stepped on it the board felt like it had suspension. No saving those. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on July 28, 2019, 07:09:31 PM
Quote from: nosneb on July 28, 2019, 06:16:04 AM
Where they on new trucks? Or where they on some worn out ovalized mangled hanger and baseplate
basically new ace trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Monkey_Mcpott on July 28, 2019, 07:19:20 PM
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Do you guys change bushings as soon as they mush out or keep it going? I normally would keep it going but my 88a Indy bushings mushed out today and I cant seem to get comfortable with again. Like I felt it the second it mushed out. Whats the most times you guys have swapped out bushings per set of trucks?
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Despite the amount I post in this thread, I try to keep my shit stock when possible. I used to carry over my old bushings to new trucks but now often have to replace the bushings at least once during the life of the truck.

Weird they'd mush out so decisively, never had that with the Indy aftermarkets. Can you see if they tore or chunked out? I had a stock set of the orange 90a Indy's that tore from top to bottom, when I stepped on it the board felt like it had suspension. No saving those.

These are from the back truck:

(https://i.imgur.com/OGMJpCO.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/oFBt86Q.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/IVz3BRE.png)


These are the front truck which are fine:

(https://i.imgur.com/2DMOOzN.png)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 28, 2019, 07:25:44 PM
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Do you guys change bushings as soon as they mush out or keep it going? I normally would keep it going but my 88a Indy bushings mushed out today and I cant seem to get comfortable with again. Like I felt it the second it mushed out. Whats the most times you guys have swapped out bushings per set of trucks?
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Despite the amount I post in this thread, I try to keep my shit stock when possible. I used to carry over my old bushings to new trucks but now often have to replace the bushings at least once during the life of the truck.

Weird they'd mush out so decisively, never had that with the Indy aftermarkets. Can you see if they tore or chunked out? I had a stock set of the orange 90a Indy's that tore from top to bottom, when I stepped on it the board felt like it had suspension. No saving those.
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These are from the back truck:


The last two pics of the rear truck, definitely looks like the top bushing is peeling apart (kind of looks like the washer is burrowing into it). I mean I've seen worse, but if it's tripping you up better to bite the bullet and break in some new rubber.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on July 28, 2019, 10:25:45 PM
Quote from: Monkey_Mcpott on July 28, 2019, 07:19:20 PM
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Do you guys change bushings as soon as they mush out or keep it going? I normally would keep it going but my 88a Indy bushings mushed out today and I cant seem to get comfortable with again. Like I felt it the second it mushed out. Whats the most times you guys have swapped out bushings per set of trucks?
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Despite the amount I post in this thread, I try to keep my shit stock when possible. I used to carry over my old bushings to new trucks but now often have to replace the bushings at least once during the life of the truck.

Weird they'd mush out so decisively, never had that with the Indy aftermarkets. Can you see if they tore or chunked out? I had a stock set of the orange 90a Indy's that tore from top to bottom, when I stepped on it the board felt like it had suspension. No saving those.
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These are from the back truck:

(https://i.imgur.com/OGMJpCO.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/oFBt86Q.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/IVz3BRE.png)


These are the front truck which are fine:

(https://i.imgur.com/2DMOOzN.png)




try riding the next duro up with flush nuts?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on July 29, 2019, 12:30:47 AM
^Washer looks too small. Fuck crappy washers. They can have a surprisingly big effect on how trucks perform.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on July 29, 2019, 02:28:01 AM
Quote from: Roisto on July 29, 2019, 12:30:47 AM
^Washer looks too small. Fuck crappy washers. They can have a surprisingly big effect on how trucks perform.
this. do not use the washers that come with indy aftrmarket bushings. the bottom ones for the barrels are also too small. the only ones that actually work are the conical bottom ones. just keep using the stock ones.
 also, the new ace washers suck dick. the bottom ones are fine if you put the rounded side of the bushing on the washer side, otherwise they're too small. and the top washers make an other wise perfect bushing setup into an unstable unresponsive nightmare. the old ace top washers seem to fit fine, also the washers that come with theeves work fine with ace top bushings, and while all 4 theeve washers are the same size so you get two aces worth of top washers, it's absolute fucking bullshit that a truck company fucks up so bad that i have to buy another truck just to ride them. GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER ACE.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on July 29, 2019, 02:29:09 AM
man those indy hards in thunders actually skated alot better than i thought. got them set up so that the nut is just loose enough so that the trucks have some distinct wobble to them and it feels pretty good in all actuality, feels like i have a bit more pop than i used to
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Shuh on July 29, 2019, 04:46:23 AM
I guess its official, kader is on venture (wearing the venture t) baker posted on there story. Hes probably part of the 6.1 testing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chappers on July 29, 2019, 04:50:44 AM
Quote from: Shuh on July 29, 2019, 04:46:23 AM
I guess its official, kader is on venture (wearing the venture t) baker posted on there story. Hes probably part of the 6.1 testing

if reynolds leaves indy theyre officially done in my eyes. anyone else think this has more to do with 1010 than people talk about?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HyenaChaser on July 29, 2019, 05:03:54 AM
Quote from: Monkey_Mcpott on July 28, 2019, 06:02:12 PM
Do you guys change bushings as soon as they mush out or keep it going? I normally would keep it going but my 88a Indy bushings mushed out today and I cant seem to get comfortable with again. Like I felt it the second it mushed out. Whats the most times you guys have swapped out bushings per set of trucks?

Mashed bushings are my favorite actually. By the time the trucks are cooked, those bushings are flayed out like flower petals.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on July 29, 2019, 07:00:49 AM
Quote from: jamersonbass on July 28, 2019, 03:18:40 PM
I impulsively ordered Riptide pivot cups for my 149's.  By impulsively, I mean I was hungover and making bad decisions.  I'm skeptical, but we'll see.
That's one change that you won't regret.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on July 29, 2019, 07:09:07 AM
Quote from: Shuh on July 29, 2019, 04:46:23 AM
I guess its official, kader is on venture (wearing the venture t) baker posted on there story. Hes probably part of the 6.1 testing

I’m just amazed he’s skating 8.25’s, maybe the whole 9” thing was just a gimmick
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on July 29, 2019, 07:56:10 AM
Quote from: Shuh on July 29, 2019, 04:46:23 AM
I guess its official, kader is on venture (wearing the venture t) baker posted on there story. Hes probably part of the 6.1 testing

He's gonna be so bummed when he realizes that they don't turn  ::)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on July 29, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
Does anyone know where the new tensor ATG falls in extending my wheelbase?
I assume between a Indy and a thunder and I was thinking about giving thunder a shot after these. I just don’t want to make things harder on myself, I have a hard enough time skating as it is
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank on July 29, 2019, 10:58:11 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on July 27, 2019, 04:58:49 PM
Holy shit thats a name I haven't heard in forever. There was a kid in my school who had the white Willy Santos ones. I watched him beat the living shit out of his brother over a broken Coolio CD, like full on choked him til he passed out and probably would have killed him if we hadn't pulled him off psychotic rage sort of thing. I wonder if he still has those trucks.

holy fuck, that's wild.

my homie with said cruiser board has still all kinds of old shit. he's skating some old ass board with orange thunders he found in his moms basement or something. he used to work at a distro and hasn't bought skatestuff for more than ten years other than trucks. he's looking like he's coming straight out of 2002 as well. he's still skating off his stash of dcs from back then.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: smg1138 on July 29, 2019, 11:18:11 AM
Quote from: I AM on July 29, 2019, 02:28:01 AM
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^Washer looks too small. Fuck crappy washers. They can have a surprisingly big effect on how trucks perform.
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this. do not use the washers that come with indy aftrmarket bushings. the bottom ones for the barrels are also too small. the only ones that actually work are the conical bottom ones. just keep using the stock ones.
 also, the new ace washers suck dick. the bottom ones are fine if you put the rounded side of the bushing on the washer side, otherwise they're too small. and the top washers make an other wise perfect bushing setup into an unstable unresponsive nightmare. the old ace top washers seem to fit fine, also the washers that come with theeves work fine with ace top bushings, and while all 4 theeve washers are the same size so you get two aces worth of top washers, it's absolute fucking bullshit that a truck company fucks up so bad that i have to buy another truck just to ride them. GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER ACE.

Yeah I noticed that too with the Indy aftermarket bushings. When you put the bottom barrel bushing into the bottom washer it's like it doesn't sit totally flush. Can't understand why they would make the washers too small for the bushings they come with. I'm just using the factory washers with the Indy hard barrel bushings now and it seems good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on July 29, 2019, 12:43:57 PM
Quote from: smg1138 on July 29, 2019, 11:18:11 AM
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^Washer looks too small. Fuck crappy washers. They can have a surprisingly big effect on how trucks perform.
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this. do not use the washers that come with indy aftrmarket bushings. the bottom ones for the barrels are also too small. the only ones that actually work are the conical bottom ones. just keep using the stock ones.
 also, the new ace washers suck dick. the bottom ones are fine if you put the rounded side of the bushing on the washer side, otherwise they're too small. and the top washers make an other wise perfect bushing setup into an unstable unresponsive nightmare. the old ace top washers seem to fit fine, also the washers that come with theeves work fine with ace top bushings, and while all 4 theeve washers are the same size so you get two aces worth of top washers, it's absolute fucking bullshit that a truck company fucks up so bad that i have to buy another truck just to ride them. GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER ACE.
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Yeah I noticed that too with the Indy aftermarket bushings. When you put the bottom barrel bushing into the bottom washer it's like it doesn't sit totally flush. Can't understand why they would make the washers too small for the bushings they come with. I'm just using the factory washers with the Indy hard barrel bushings now and it seems good.

The cylinder and conical bushings at least used to come with different sized bottom washers. Maybe they've done goofed at the factory and but the smaller ones that come with the conicals with the cylinder ones? 🤔

Anyway, normal Indy stock washers are best. I have them on my Aces too as the Ace washers are too thick and at least look quite tiny too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 29, 2019, 03:26:03 PM
New Venture size out in a few days
https://www.instagram.com/p/B0gcsAADFYB/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Monkey_Mcpott on July 29, 2019, 06:38:06 PM
Ended up putting the stock bushings back, don't really like em. I've been using 88a's for a while now and love a softer bushing. Gonna go ahead and buy another set of them. Was gonna ask whats the difference between the conical and standard Indy bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 29, 2019, 07:19:46 PM
Quote from: Monkey_Mcpott on July 29, 2019, 06:38:06 PM
Ended up putting the stock bushings back, don't really like em. I've been using 88a's for a while now and love a softer bushing. Gonna go ahead and buy another set of them. Was gonna ask whats the difference between the conical and standard Indy bushings?

Differing opinions on the conical vs cylinder. Some people think you get a deeper turn, but I've always found they have a less drastic rebound, less snap back. Which I prefer, I feel like you get a bit more control out of a conical bushing. But I'm a skinny ass, so I need any help for surfier trucks. YMMV.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 29, 2019, 07:26:16 PM
Quote from: Monkey_Mcpott on July 29, 2019, 06:38:06 PM
Ended up putting the stock bushings back, don't really like em. I've been using 88a's for a while now and love a softer bushing. Gonna go ahead and buy another set of them. Was gonna ask whats the difference between the conical and standard Indy bushings?

(https://shopmonkey.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/hi-im-a-bushing-07.png?w=614)

Conicals will give you a quicker turn compared to cylinders.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on July 29, 2019, 08:00:38 PM
I just got a pair of 159 hollows ( (https://proletariatskateboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/large_87232_Independent-Trucks-Kremer-Speed-2-Hollow-silver-black-bs.jpg (http://https://proletariatskateboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/large_87232_Independent-Trucks-Kremer-Speed-2-Hollow-silver-black-bs.jpg))
And realized they are the same height as classics.
Don’t hollows come with forged plates?
Also does anyone know if the red stock bushings are soft like the aftermarket?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on July 29, 2019, 08:50:44 PM
Quote from: jtrpma on July 29, 2019, 08:00:38 PM
I just got a pair of 159 hollows (https://proletariatskateboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/large_87232_Independent-Trucks-Kremer-Speed-2-Hollow-silver-black-bs.jpg)
And realized they are the same height as classics.
Don’t hollows come with forged plates?
Also does anyone know if the red stock bushings are soft like the aftermarket?

Most (if not all) of the pro models are hollow axle/kingpin but with standard cast plates. And all Indy's come with 90d bushings regardless of the colour.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on July 29, 2019, 09:12:38 PM
Quote from: Monkey_Mcpott on July 29, 2019, 06:38:06 PM
Ended up putting the stock bushings back, don't really like em. I've been using 88a's for a while now and love a softer bushing. Gonna go ahead and buy another set of them. Was gonna ask whats the difference between the conical and standard Indy bushings?
try the 90a cylinders. i promise you'll like them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on July 30, 2019, 12:49:21 AM
Quote from: Silky Johnson on July 28, 2019, 02:25:38 PM
First session completed with some Venture 5.8 highs and I'm in love.

Me too. Bought and skated them today in a pool and they definitely turn way better than expected. Extended wheelbase is a nice change of pace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on July 30, 2019, 05:27:23 AM
Quote from: palelight on July 29, 2019, 08:50:44 PM
Quote from: jtrpma on July 29, 2019, 08:00:38 PM
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I just got a pair of 159 hollows (https://proletariatskateboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/large_87232_Independent-Trucks-Kremer-Speed-2-Hollow-silver-black-bs.jpg)
And realized they are the same height as classics.
Don’t hollows come with forged plates?
Also does anyone know if the red stock bushings are soft like the aftermarket?
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Most (if not all) of the pro models are hollow axle/kingpin but with standard cast plates. And all Indy's come with 90d bushings regardless of the colour.


thank you, appreciate it!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: videostore on August 01, 2019, 06:33:23 AM
Running Thunder 148 ti lights with Bones hard bushings. Could be tripping but I think the geo is altered slightly by having a taller lower bushing on the Bones vs. the stock. They turn great. All this Venture talk x 90 nostalgia got me thinking about trying to Ventures though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on August 01, 2019, 07:53:25 AM
I think I didn't like the 5.6's as much cuz they're a bit narrow, but my 5.8 are V-lights. Last Venture effort is throwing the 5.8 hanger on the 5.6 cast plates to bring the WB in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sharkin on August 01, 2019, 08:19:40 AM
i had some play in my front truck on my 169s

took everything apart to make sure the kingpin wasn't loose and set it back up with stock bushings to mess around a bit. noticed the stock pivot cup was packed down a bit so I swapped in some Khiro Small/Soft pivot cups and put the 92a cylinders back on. everythings back to perfect now  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cthulhu! on August 01, 2019, 08:25:32 AM
I just don't get Krux. I'm forcing myself to skate these so I don't have so much gear sitting around but I'm not enjoying it. Now a bottom bushing is starting to split and the other isn't looking so hot either. They're already falling apart so I'm just going to ride them without washers now I suppose.

(https://i.ibb.co/SfNg4Mv/krux.jpg)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirtjers on August 01, 2019, 08:43:37 AM
i know there's a been some talk about it, but Bones in Venture High (5.6)?

The stocks aren't bad, but I'm getting the itch to throw Bones mediums in there to have a little more carve. Plus i could be just losing my mind but I keep catching the stocks not sitting evenly. All four wheels touch the ground, no teetering, but if you look the angle is a little off on the front one in particular, kinda like sitting to the side is its natural state almost.

Again it's less a need and more a "could this feel even better if i were to add these?"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: videostore on August 01, 2019, 08:51:44 AM
Quote from: dirtjers on August 01, 2019, 08:43:37 AM
i know there's a been some talk about it, but Bones in Venture High (5.6)?

The stocks aren't bad, but I'm getting the itch to throw Bones mediums in there to have a little more carve. Plus i could be just losing my mind but I keep catching the stocks not sitting evenly. All four wheels touch the ground, no teetering, but if you look the angle is a little off on the front one in particular, kinda like sitting to the side is its natural state almost.

Again it's less a need and more a "could this feel even better if i were to add these?"
Try it out, let us know!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 01, 2019, 10:14:43 AM
I won an ebay auction for a lot of trucks a little while back and ended up with a single Indy 139 in it. I recently started skating an 8" again with Thunders and was enjoying it but decided I wanted to try it out with Indys so I ordered another 139. I put them on last night and this morning was testing it out but just couldn't get comfortable. I decided to put in stiffer bushings and to my surprise the 139 I just ordered had the new bushings. So it's not just the higher priced models - apparently they're putting them in standard Indys as well, or at least in 139s but I can't imagine they'd only do it for one size. I'm assuming the change has to do with them moving production overseas but have nothing to actually back that up.

Also I sent the new stock ones from my hollows to Rob and he's loving them too, so that at least somewhat assuages my fears that it's all in my head, a symptom of the madness rather than actual changes in performance. Then again folie a deux is a thing...

(https://i.imgur.com/dTkyMi4.jpg)

Both came from Indy standard 139's with Zumiez stickers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on August 01, 2019, 10:24:35 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on August 01, 2019, 10:14:43 AM
Zumiez
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: brownjenkin on August 01, 2019, 10:26:14 AM
Quote from: dirtjers on August 01, 2019, 08:43:37 AM
i know there's a been some talk about it, but Bones in Venture High (5.6)?

The stocks aren't bad, but I'm getting the itch to throw Bones mediums in there to have a little more carve. Plus i could be just losing my mind but I keep catching the stocks not sitting evenly. All four wheels touch the ground, no teetering, but if you look the angle is a little off on the front one in particular, kinda like sitting to the side is its natural state almost.

Again it's less a need and more a "could this feel even better if i were to add these?"

That's strange. Maybe it's a pivot cup issue since it sounds like it's a rotational thing rather than a tilt thing. I would think that if the hanger was sitting unevenly on the bushings that the wheels wouldn't sit right on the ground.

Curious about Bones in Ventures myself. I'm waiting on a pair of 5.6s to show up within the week. I have every intention of breaking in the stock bushings and giving them an honest go, but I have a set of Bones kicking around I can throw in to test out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on August 01, 2019, 11:28:32 AM
Quote from: dirtjers on August 01, 2019, 08:43:37 AM
i know there's a been some talk about it, but Bones in Venture High (5.6)?

The stocks aren't bad, but I'm getting the itch to throw Bones mediums in there to have a little more carve. Plus i could be just losing my mind but I keep catching the stocks not sitting evenly. All four wheels touch the ground, no teetering, but if you look the angle is a little off on the front one in particular, kinda like sitting to the side is its natural state almost.

Again it's less a need and more a "could this feel even better if i were to add these?"
Probably a slightly warped deck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: smg1138 on August 01, 2019, 12:01:26 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on August 01, 2019, 10:14:43 AM
I won an ebay auction for a lot of trucks a little while back and ended up with a single Indy 139 in it. I recently started skating an 8" again with Thunders and was enjoying it but decided I wanted to try it out with Indys so I ordered another 139. I put them on last night and this morning was testing it out but just couldn't get comfortable. I decided to put in stiffer bushings and to my surprise the 139 I just ordered had the new bushings. So it's not just the higher priced models - apparently they're putting them in standard Indys as well, or at least in 139s but I can't imagine they'd only do it for one size. I'm assuming the change has to do with them moving production overseas but have nothing to actually back that up.

Also I sent the new stock ones from my hollows to Rob and he's loving them too, so that at least somewhat assuages my fears that it's all in my head, a symptom of the madness rather than actual changes in performance. Then again folie a deux is a thing...

(https://i.imgur.com/dTkyMi4.jpg)

Both came from Indy standard 139's with Zumiez stickers.

It's good to see they're using the new (Supercush?) bushings in the Standards. They seem way better than the old factory molded bushings. I noticed the pivot cups in my Forged Titaniums are much better quality too. Hopefully that's something they put in the Standards going forward. I have to admit, the move to China really seems to have improved the overall quality of Indys. Not something I would have expected. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on August 01, 2019, 07:07:01 PM
Have Bones in my Ventures, honestly didn't notice a shit ton. Slightly more wobble in the top, taking the washer off does give it more turn/wheelbite, but stock felt better IMO.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 02, 2019, 01:28:30 AM
Quote from: I AM on August 01, 2019, 10:24:35 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on August 01, 2019, 10:14:43 AM
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Zumiez
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Not bought at Zumiez. Bought on ebay. I did go there for the first time the other day to return some ebay 147s and use the store credit for 148's though. They had no wheels over 53mm and I asked to see that blue/orange antihero GT hurricane they had on sale because I have the Russo one and wanted to see if the concave was the same and the guy grabbed a green/white AWS. What the fuck. Then he tried to sell me a primitive deck shaped like some cartoon character. Never again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 02, 2019, 01:33:43 AM
Quote from: dirtjers on August 01, 2019, 08:43:37 AM
i know there's a been some talk about it, but Bones in Venture High (5.6)?

The stocks aren't bad, but I'm getting the itch to throw Bones mediums in there to have a little more carve. Plus i could be just losing my mind but I keep catching the stocks not sitting evenly. All four wheels touch the ground, no teetering, but if you look the angle is a little off on the front one in particular, kinda like sitting to the side is its natural state almost.

Again it's less a need and more a "could this feel even better if i were to add these?"

FWIW once they break in stock Ventures are historically my favorite bushings. That being said, the ones in the latest 5.2's I got seemed to be softer and are definitely more translucent, almost exactly like Thunder stock, and one of them split within an hour. I don't know if I just got a shit batch or they've changed their stocks over. I was fucking around with Krux stock yesterday and those seem to be really similar to the new Indy ones, which makes sense since they're NHS and made in China. I didn't get a chance to skate them yet, planning on doing so when I head to work in an hour.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirtjers on August 02, 2019, 06:04:32 AM
Quote from: brownjenkin on August 01, 2019, 10:26:14 AM
Quote from: dirtjers on August 01, 2019, 08:43:37 AM
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i know there's a been some talk about it, but Bones in Venture High (5.6)?

The stocks aren't bad, but I'm getting the itch to throw Bones mediums in there to have a little more carve. Plus i could be just losing my mind but I keep catching the stocks not sitting evenly. All four wheels touch the ground, no teetering, but if you look the angle is a little off on the front one in particular, kinda like sitting to the side is its natural state almost.

Again it's less a need and more a "could this feel even better if i were to add these?"
[close]

Word you're probably actually right. i had already ordered rip tides for them so i'll probably do that first and run the stocks longer to see whats up.

That's strange. Maybe it's a pivot cup issue since it sounds like it's a rotational thing rather than a tilt thing. I would think that if the hanger was sitting unevenly on the bushings that the wheels wouldn't sit right on the ground.

Curious about Bones in Ventures myself. I'm waiting on a pair of 5.6s to show up within the week. I have every intention of breaking in the stock bushings and giving them an honest go, but I have a set of Bones kicking around I can throw in to test out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on August 02, 2019, 05:51:00 PM
My Venture stock bushings blew out in my 5.8 V-Lights. I’ve been on bones hards for maybe two weeks. They are super stable and I haven’t had any wheel bite issues. But I feel like the stocks were just a little bit more surfy for my liking. I’m gonna stick with the hards for maybe another week and then try some super cush for the fuck of it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on August 02, 2019, 06:16:16 PM
Why doesn't venture sell replacement bushings? Indy makes their aftermarket replacements and thunder sells them too. It bums me out I can't just buy replacement purple or red venture bushings for a few bucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 02, 2019, 07:34:39 PM
Switched my front and back trucks and am getting a nice perfect U shape from grinds. I cheated. I’m a worthless asshole who deserves to die. That is all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on August 02, 2019, 08:07:00 PM
Quote from: tangar on August 02, 2019, 05:51:00 PM
My Venture stock bushings blew out in my 5.8 V-Lights. I’ve been on bones hards for maybe two weeks. They are super stable and I haven’t had any wheel bite issues. But I feel like the stocks were just a little bit more surfy for my liking. I’m gonna stick with the hards for maybe another week and then try some super cush for the fuck of it.

Super cush are underrated. They're awesome.  I could never get past the clicking break in period of bones
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 03, 2019, 12:30:11 PM
Ha interesting that there's been a few mentions of the supercush - I just got a tube of them. They're molded, not machined - so appearance wise they're pretty close to the old indy stock. I also got a pack of the Krux "world's best cushions" and they're machined and appearance-wise are quite close to the new indy albeit in white rather than orange. Since they're both NHS I think it's probably fair to assume they're coming from the same place in China.

(https://i.imgur.com/AHi8aXK.jpg)

Top row left is old Indy stock, right is new Indy stock
Bottom row left is Supercush, right is Krux

The krux feel slightly harder than the rest, which makes sense since they're supposed to be 92a while the rest are 90a - but then again the durometer scales used in skate goods are notoriously imprecise so take this with a grain of salt. The supercush feel almost exactly the same as the old indy stock in my obviously very accurate pinch test. One interesting thing about the Krux that I didn't realize is that they come with new washers and pivot cups. I'm not going to put them in yet for the sake of comparison, but that seems like decent value for $6.

Quote from: fang on August 02, 2019, 08:07:00 PM
Super cush are underrated. They're awesome.  I could never get past the clicking break in period of bones

If you're having clicking or squeaking it's probably from the pivot cups rather than the bushings. A bit of lubricant in the pivot cups usually solves it, but you can also use a bit on the seat of the bushings if you're having really bad Thunder-esque squeaking issues.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: A.A on August 03, 2019, 07:07:13 PM
(http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa362/allan25021978/D9F4CC83-FF80-41A5-AA4D-C4289966EDEE_zps16olbblz.jpg)
(http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa362/allan25021978/9048A928-2EAD-43AD-A8A9-35E2208C7F23_zpsbiarew4p.jpg)
Old set up is perfect. 149’ers with Bones hard bushings. I’m 6’3 and over 110kgs so I need the hard ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lou Strux on August 03, 2019, 09:09:07 PM
Thunder High 149s w/ Bones medium (yellow core) bushings, no bottom washer, flat washer on top. I run them as loose as I can before getting massive wheel bite with 55-56 mm wheels: basically, no threads showing/flush. I always go for the “TEAM” etched baseplates, when possible. Just feels... exclusive? No risers.
I also run a different colored baseplate on one of ‘em so I always wind up with the same one on the tail; that way I can get to the axle as quickly as possible, because, heh, who doesn’t love the sense of accomplishment that comes with burning through a hanger?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 04, 2019, 02:50:31 AM
Instead of different baseplates why not just mark them? I just scratch a little F on the back of the baseplate with a knife. That way it's protected from getting scraped or ground off.

You should post your mismatched baseplates in the setup thread and watch the divas lose their shit about it haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lou Strux on August 04, 2019, 07:58:38 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on August 04, 2019, 02:50:31 AM
Instead of different baseplates why not just mark them? I just scratch a little F on the back of the baseplate with a knife. That way it's protected from getting scraped or ground off.

A fine question. I guess the only answers I have are: a) for at least twenty of the last 30-something years I’ve been riding, I’ve been lucky enough to have access to gear in a way that, if I want it a certain way, I can have it that way. It’s nice to “know people” when you have ding-dong ideas about how you want your set up. And b) I prefer a little asymmetry in my set up. Prior to getting privileged access to the warehouse, when I was a little kid, I would take one truck apart & hit the hanger or baseplate with some rattle can paint. Whenever possible, which generally is always, I also like to run one different color wheel. Matters little to me what that other color is, or where it is on the board. It’s an aesthetic thing, I guess. As a teen, I saw Lance with a 3x1 wheel set up & loved the way it looked. I’ve been doing it ever since. Of course, a small amount of research is required to determine which molds/cuts/formulas are used so you wind up with a “matched” mixed set, but that requires little effort.
I always mess around with a razor blade a bit while gripping my decks as well. Full disclosure: I started skating in the early/mid 80s so this wasn’t a wacky thing to do at all & I guess the practice never died for me.
If I had any talent, I probably would have been one of those art school kids.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on August 04, 2019, 09:16:03 AM
Sounds like I want to see that setup, sounds great to me!

Als riding lace wheels and chaotic grip
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on August 05, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
Recently put some Krux downlow kingpins in my Thunder team editions. I generally ride my trucks medium-tight and they've been perfect so far with Thunder rebuild bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 05, 2019, 01:11:28 PM
Mine worked fine for awhile but have since started to losen a bunch.  I'd recommend putting some of that lock tite stuff...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on August 05, 2019, 06:49:41 PM
Thought I would chime in about Ventures after skating some 5.8’s for a solid week and a half. Theoretically I should hate these trucks, but I’m in LOVE. All my life I’ve had something against Venture for no apparent reason at all, I think it is the shape which I’ve since grown to love. I skate mainly transition and they turn just as good as Indy’s - but are a lot more stable which is a nice change after spending months on short wheelbases (14.1”) with Aces/Indy’s. I’m now on 14.5” wheelbase with Ventures and my short ass definitely didn’t see myself loving this setup so much.

Turning compared to Aces is a little slower and different, but it’s so worth it for the stability, I’ve even been able to size down to 8.25 from 8.5-9” because of the longer wheelbase. Think i’ll be on these for a while as the madness has disappeared for now haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: smg1138 on August 05, 2019, 07:51:41 PM
Man you guys got me considering Ventures again. Like a lot of people I skated Venture Lows on 7.5" decks back in the day. After that I switched to Indy's and never really looked back. What durometer are the stock bushings in Ventures Highs? I always ride at least 94a bushings in my Indy's now because I'm not as skinny as I used to be. If I tried out some Ventures I'd like to know there are aftermarket bushings that would work in them without screwing up the geometry.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 05, 2019, 08:53:41 PM
Quote from: texasplant on August 05, 2019, 06:49:41 PM
Thought I would chime in about Ventures after skating some 5.8’s for a solid week and a half. Theoretically I should hate these trucks, but I’m in LOVE. All my life I’ve had something against Venture for no apparent reason at all, I think it is the shape which I’ve since grown to love. I skate mainly transition and they turn just as good as Indy’s - but are a lot more stable which is a nice change after spending months on short wheelbases (14.1”) with Aces/Indy’s. I’m now on 14.5” wheelbase with Ventures and my short ass definitely didn’t see myself loving this setup so much.

Turning compared to Aces is a little slower and different, but it’s so worth it for the stability, I’ve even been able to size down to 8.25 from 8.5-9” because of the longer wheelbase. Think i’ll be on these for a while as the madness has disappeared for now haha

I briefly switched back to Indy after getting some new ventures, I usually ride loose and prefer ACE and or Thunder.

While Venture is nowhere near any of the above, I switched right back due to the stability, apparently I like it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on August 05, 2019, 09:52:48 PM
Quote from: smg1138 on August 05, 2019, 07:51:41 PM
Man you guys got me considering Ventures again. Like a lot of people I skated Venture Lows on 7.5" decks back in the day. After that I switched to Indy's and never really looked back. What durometer are the stock bushings in Ventures Highs? I always ride at least 94a bushings in my Indy's now because I'm not as skinny as I used to be. If I tried out some Ventures I'd like to know there are aftermarket bushings that would work in them without screwing up the geometry.

Venture bushings are the same size as Indy bushings, so Indy bushings work great. I can't remember what durometer the Venture stock bushings are (I'm thinking 90A) but I'd give them a shot if I were you. You can rock softer bushings on Ventures than on Indys without issues.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: smg1138 on August 06, 2019, 11:56:59 AM
Quote from: Roisto on August 05, 2019, 09:52:48 PM
Quote from: smg1138 on August 05, 2019, 07:51:41 PM
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Man you guys got me considering Ventures again. Like a lot of people I skated Venture Lows on 7.5" decks back in the day. After that I switched to Indy's and never really looked back. What durometer are the stock bushings in Ventures Highs? I always ride at least 94a bushings in my Indy's now because I'm not as skinny as I used to be. If I tried out some Ventures I'd like to know there are aftermarket bushings that would work in them without screwing up the geometry.
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Venture bushings are the same size as Indy bushings, so Indy bushings work great. I can't remember what durometer the Venture stock bushings are (I'm thinking 90A) but I'd give them a shot if I were you. You can rock softer bushings on Ventures than on Indys without issues.

That's good to know. I know a lot of people love Bones Bushings, but I personally can't stand how they change the turning radius on Indys. Think I'm going to try out a set of Venture High 5.8' soon. Just want the try the standards with no fancy forged baseplates or graphics on them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on August 06, 2019, 06:51:54 PM
Quote from: Roisto on August 05, 2019, 09:52:48 PM
Venture bushings are the same size as Indy bushings, so Indy bushings work great. I can't remember what durometer the Venture stock bushings are (I'm thinking 90A) but I'd give them a shot if I were you. You can rock softer bushings on Ventures than on Indys without issues.

Oh wow this got me excited, Indy aftermarket oranges are my favourite. Though I’m not minding the stock ones so far.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 07, 2019, 11:33:44 PM
Quote from: Roisto on August 05, 2019, 09:52:48 PM
Venture bushings are the same size as Indy bushings, so Indy bushings work great. I can't remember what durometer the Venture stock bushings are (I'm thinking 90A) but I'd give them a shot if I were you. You can rock softer bushings on Ventures than on Indys without issues.

Newer Venture stock bushings are around 90a, they're very similar in feel to the older stock Indy bushings. Older venture stocks were a bit harder (this is just a guess but I'd say they feel around 92-94), and are some of my favorite bushings ever. Those bushings and the inherent stability of a Venture lo make it probably the most stable truck I've tried, I don't think I've ever gotten speed wobbles on them. The new ones are good in their own right, but I did split one during my first session on them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on August 08, 2019, 03:46:23 AM
maybe this is a dumb as shit suggestion and maybe it's already been discussed but the other day i was in the bike shop with my friend getting an axle rethreaded on his indys and had a thought - why aren't we using threadlocker on axle nuts? it's common practice on pretty much every bolt/screw on a bike, keeps shit there securely and isnt permanent.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Complements4U on August 08, 2019, 04:46:28 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on August 08, 2019, 03:46:23 AM
maybe this is a dumb as shit suggestion and maybe it's already been discussed but the other day i was in the bike shop with my friend getting an axle rethreaded on his indys and had a thought - why aren't we using threadlocker on axle nuts? it's common practice on pretty much every bolt/screw on a bike, keeps shit there securely and isnt permanent.
It's not on nylock and it's also usually on places where the bolts cant be torked too much but need to stay put like stems, brake mounts or bottom brackets
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirtjers on August 08, 2019, 06:39:40 AM
I was actually feeling the stock Venture bushings but I too blew out the top front bushing after only a week or so of skating them. It ripped through entirely on one side which I don't know if I've ever done before ha!

Probably my own damn fault because during that week I was going heavy on slappy crooks and nollie crooks depending on the obstacle at hand. Threw an older set of bones medium bottoms and hard tops in... feels surfier which is cool. I did the small bones washer on the bottom (I was reading that should keep the geo the same?) and a small bones washer on top too.

Since I don't really have a frame of reference with Venture (unlike Indy) I've been trying out different stuff to see how it would feel. I tried the Riptides in there, but it felt like they didn't fit too well and kinda made the truck sit weird... on top of that they made the truck feel a little too mushy if that makes sense. I put the stock pivots back and kinda like the way that feels a little more even though in theory I shouldn't.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: saltusnaut on August 08, 2019, 07:40:23 AM
Right now I'm riding Ace 44 with three speed rings inside of each wheel. Mini logo bottom bushings, Ace 1st gen top bushings, no top washer.
My home town just got a park that's a lot of transition and the aces really shines in that kind of environment.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 08, 2019, 09:03:42 PM
All this talk about venture’s stability lately...anyone try the no top bushings, two top washers wobble?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sharkin on August 09, 2019, 07:20:35 AM
Peter Hewitt is skating 8.38 anti hero decks on stock Ti 159s 

sounds like a mini mega setup but the wheels hit just past flush

(https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/ec1dfd56e99c19df8f7134e324ff4356/5DE5D675/t51.2885-15/e35/c0.180.1440.1440/s320x320/65889684_133407144548880_7731346682511743534_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com)

looks sick, i'm gonna swap some stuff around this weekend to try it out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Reese on August 09, 2019, 08:27:15 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 08, 2019, 09:03:42 PM
All this talk about venture’s stability lately...anyone try the no top bushings, two top washers wobble?

I did for a few days. The only thing I accomplished was to lose those days of actual skating at my little level
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on August 09, 2019, 08:36:50 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 08, 2019, 09:03:42 PM
All this talk about venture’s stability lately...anyone try the no top bushings, two top washers wobble?
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/cQtlhD48EG0SY/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on August 09, 2019, 03:15:11 PM
Quote from: Dog the Bounty Hunter on August 09, 2019, 08:36:50 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 08, 2019, 09:03:42 PM
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All this talk about venture’s stability lately...anyone try the no top bushings, two top washers wobble?
[close]
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/cQtlhD48EG0SY/giphy.gif)

I concur on this one.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on August 09, 2019, 03:21:08 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 08, 2019, 09:03:42 PM
All this talk about venture’s stability lately...anyone try the no top bushings, two top washers wobble?
top bushing no washer is the wave
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 09, 2019, 04:15:32 PM
Quote from: dirtjers on August 08, 2019, 06:39:40 AM
I was actually feeling the stock Venture bushings but I too blew out the top front bushing after only a week or so of skating them. It ripped through entirely on one side which I don't know if I've ever done before ha!

Probably my own damn fault because during that week I was going heavy on slappy crooks and nollie crooks depending on the obstacle at hand. Threw an older set of bones medium bottoms and hard tops in... feels surfier which is cool. I did the small bones washer on the bottom (I was reading that should keep the geo the same?) and a small bones washer on top too.

Since I don't really have a frame of reference with Venture (unlike Indy) I've been trying out different stuff to see how it would feel. I tried the Riptides in there, but it felt like they didn't fit too well and kinda made the truck sit weird... on top of that they made the truck feel a little too mushy if that makes sense. I put the stock pivots back and kinda like the way that feels a little more even though in theory I shouldn't.

That's almost exactly what happened with my stock bushing. It tore almost down to the base. I did have it cranked down pretty good because I was coming off riding indys with bones hards in them but I don't recall doing anything particularly crazy that would have put it under an abnormal load.

The stock pivot cups have always been fine for me. I've never tried riptides but I did get the Krux ones that come with the bushings (they're way too tall so you have to trim them down to fit in an indy/thunder) and they're pretty soft. I tried them with thunders and while they were successful in stopping the annoying squeak that all thunders seem to make I didn't like the way they made them feel. They felt too thick and almost too soft like you're describing. I havent tried them in indys but now that I'm thinking about it I'm going to put them in and try them out on my morning skate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheLowerBack on August 09, 2019, 05:17:11 PM
After years of the madness I had been running my Thunders stock for about eight months . The other day I blew out a bushing. I decided to get Indy 88 cones to get a little looser and now I feel the madness setting in again. I got a set of flat washers for the bottom and ordered a set of Shorty’s pivot cups. Not sure how they feel, but they were one of the first results when I googled “soft pivot cups”. I’ll post feedback once I have them set up and get a full session in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 10, 2019, 07:35:52 AM
I've always thought thunders should just use thunder components because the pivots are small and the lower bushing is higher....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on August 11, 2019, 06:25:40 PM
Anybody know where I can get some Thunder 151 Team Hollows?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 11, 2019, 07:08:23 PM
Quote from: VCR on August 11, 2019, 06:25:40 PM
Anybody know where I can get some Thunder 151 Team Hollows?

Discontinued
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on August 11, 2019, 07:20:07 PM
Quote from: sharkin on August 09, 2019, 07:20:35 AM
Peter Hewitt is skating 8.38 anti hero decks on stock Ti 159s 

sounds like a mini mega setup but the wheels hit just past flush

(https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/ec1dfd56e99c19df8f7134e324ff4356/5DE5D675/t51.2885-15/e35/c0.180.1440.1440/s320x320/65889684_133407144548880_7731346682511743534_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com)

looks sick, i'm gonna swap some stuff around this weekend to try it out

54mm V5 Easy Streets measure 8.38 outside edge to outside edge on my 159s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 12, 2019, 06:40:20 AM
I finally ordered the blue 92a conical indy GP bushings and so far lm quite satisfied. I think these are kind of a sweet spot for me, more stable than the stocks but without sacrificing the classic surfy indy feel. I've only got about an hour on them so I don't know if they'll change much as they break in, but I hope they don't.

This is in the 144 FH, I haven't tried them in 139/149's yet. I don't know why but I seem to prefer harder bushings in 139/144 and softer ones in 149. I have a set of hard luck orange bushings to test out too but haven't gotten around to it yet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on August 12, 2019, 07:41:03 PM
Quote from: DaveFuck on August 09, 2019, 03:21:08 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 08, 2019, 09:03:42 PM
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All this talk about venture’s stability lately...anyone try the no top bushings, two top washers wobble?
[close]
top bushing no washer is the wave
Are they still stable? But surfy? Tell me more tell me more!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on August 12, 2019, 08:58:38 PM
Got truck madness reading through this thread. Been riding indy 149s since I was 18 on boards 8.12-8.5. Tried the 144 Indys when they came out and wasn't in love, went back to 149s. Then I got the itch to try ACE 44s, and though they're really good trucks and the turn is insane I got the itch to grind my 149s to the axle and they feel surfier? Not sure what's real right now. Also am starting to want ventures again after reading everyone's thoughts on them. Also threw an old pair of thunder 149s on a setup and they turned and felt amazing.

Hate how perfect Indys are until I settle in with them. You always want what you don't have until it's gone. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on August 13, 2019, 09:00:25 AM
Are 9” thunders coming out or did I dream that?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 13, 2019, 12:33:45 PM
Quote from: Dog the Bounty Hunter on August 13, 2019, 09:00:25 AM
Are 9” thunders coming out or did I dream that?

But wouldn’t you want 9” ventures?

Guys I’m sorta back, made the craziest discovery reading the jenkem article on truck setups and remembering a video too about franks setup being that he uses the Indy low after markets for his 147 and I took my old Indy go 90a conical lows and threw them in and damn, they make such a great difference to thunder 147, they have more clearance it seems and more turn-ability but still stable and centered thanks to the thunder geo, the know control geo

Sadly they don’t sell the Indy low bushings anymore 90a to be specific so if you can still get a set try it out if you ride 147, I tried it on 148 too and it’s good too but since those are taller than 147 I just stuck to using the stock or bones mediums 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on August 13, 2019, 12:44:03 PM
As a longtime truck nerd, I’ve come to grips with the fact that there is no Goldilocks truck that fits every need at all times. They all have there strengths/weaknesses with marginal room for modification but ultimately you just gotta settle for whatever checks the most boxes for you and stick with it for consistency’s sake.

I say all this as some who’s actually found that elusive “perfect performing” truck in Theeve but even still I gotta settle for lackluster marketing, no video/pro hype, and the overall swaglessness that comes with riding them. There’s always sacrifices in way or another


That being said, I’m probably one nice bonus check away from grabbing some venture Ti’s for the hell of it so carry on with the madness (https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/unimpressed.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on August 13, 2019, 02:00:15 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on August 13, 2019, 12:44:03 PM
As a longtime truck nerd, I’ve come to grips with the fact that there is no Goldilocks truck that fits every need at all times. They all have there strengths/weaknesses with marginal room for modification but ultimately you just gotta settle for whatever checks the most boxes for you and stick with it for consistency’s sake.
this is enlightenment. #ridethebestfucktherest 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: os89 on August 13, 2019, 02:32:05 PM
I'm really liking my tensors lately. The newer ATG ones. Suprisingly pretty surfy once broken in. I feel like I wouldn't trust them if I was a bigger dude and or jumping of shit though. They are actually almost too light, but I have gotten used to them. ::) Still looking at aces and ventures to try next but for now these are fun.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on August 13, 2019, 09:02:59 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on August 13, 2019, 12:44:03 PM
As a longtime truck nerd, I’ve come to grips with the fact that there is no Goldilocks truck that fits every need at all times. They all have there strengths/weaknesses with marginal room for modification but ultimately you just gotta settle for whatever checks the most boxes for you and stick with it for consistency’s sake.

I say all this as some who’s actually found that elusive “perfect performing” truck in Theeve but even still I gotta settle for lackluster marketing, no video/pro hype, and the overall swaglessness that comes with riding them. There’s always sacrifices in way or another


That being said, I’m probably one nice bonus check away from grabbing some venture Ti’s for the hell of it so carry on with the madness (https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/unimpressed.png)
I’ll be praying for you that the V-TiTs work out 🙏🏽. I hope they make them in 6.1s sooner than later.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 13, 2019, 10:17:48 PM
Quote from: os89 on August 13, 2019, 02:32:05 PM
I'm really liking my tensors lately. The newer ATG ones. Suprisingly pretty surfy once broken in. I feel like I wouldn't trust them if I was a bigger dude and or jumping of shit though. They are actually almost too light, but I have gotten used to them. ::) Still looking at aces and ventures to try next but for now these are fun.

Fell off the Venture wagon, they're super stable and less twitchy than thunders...they just don't feel 'right' to me as I'm clearly in the ACE/Indy/Theeve camp no matter how hard I want to like Thunders or Ventures for everything.

So I went back to ML  :o and haven't been bothered to change them up...a wide (I prefer 8.3s), low (I think this is the key factor here) and middle of the road light truck (much lighter with krux pins), that fits in the indyacetheeve camp & stable is just what feels good to me right now. I haven't lost any tricks so w/e.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on August 14, 2019, 03:16:01 AM
despite the cracked hangar, rounded baseplate holes, loose kingpin and axle nuts held on with glue i will not give up on these until i snap this fucker

(https://i.imgur.com/cFWrwPEl.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 14, 2019, 04:06:48 AM
Quote from: Xen on August 13, 2019, 10:17:48 PM
Quote from: os89 on August 13, 2019, 02:32:05 PM
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I'm really liking my tensors lately. The newer ATG ones. Suprisingly pretty surfy once broken in. I feel like I wouldn't trust them if I was a bigger dude and or jumping of shit though. They are actually almost too light, but I have gotten used to them. ::) Still looking at aces and ventures to try next but for now these are fun.
[close]

Fell off the Venture wagon, they're super stable and less twitchy than thunders...they just don't feel 'right' to me as I'm clearly in the ACE/Indy/Theeve camp no matter how hard I want to like Thunders or Ventures for everything.

So I went back to ML  :o and haven't been bothered to change them up...a wide (I prefer 8.3s), low (I think this is the key factor here) and middle of the road light truck (much lighter with krux pins), that fits in the indyacetheeve camp & stable is just what feels good to me right now. I haven't lost any tricks so w/e.

Now your making me want to go back to ML trucks

Especially since they redesigned them without the ugly logo on the front of the hangar engraved in

Kinda odd they have a pentagram Star on the baseplate but hey as long as they got rid of the hideous logo on the hangar I’m definitely grabbing a set, but 8.38” or 8”...

Been riding 8’s mainly but I occasionally like my 8.2
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on August 14, 2019, 05:43:41 AM
I've never tried Krux trucks. Please help a brotha out.. sell me (or don't?) on Krux. Using the big 3 as comparisons, as that's my usual suspects (albeit lately, I'm more Venture vs Thunder). Only other trucks I've tried in my years were Tracker Ultralights in 1987, Royals in 99 or '00, and Tensors for like a week in 2002 or something.

Krux turn like:
a) Indy
b) Venture
c) Thunder
d) Shit
other) _________

Krux weight is similar to:
a) Indy
b) Venture
c) Thunder
d) Shit
other) _________

Krux heights are similar to: (they have highs and lows? differences?)
a) Indy
b) Venture
c) Thunder
d) Shit
other) _________

Krux grind like:
a) Indy
b) Venture
c) Thunder
d) Shit
other) _________

Krux rating overall 1-10:
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 14, 2019, 06:23:41 AM
Quote from: fang on August 14, 2019, 05:43:41 AM
I've never tried Krux trucks. Please help a brotha out.. sell me (or don't?) on Krux. Using the big 3 as comparisons, as that's my usual suspects (albeit lately, I'm more Venture vs Thunder). Only other trucks I've tried in my years were Tracker Ultralights in 1987, Royals in 99 or '00, and Tensors for like a week in 2002 or something.

Krux turn like:
a) Indy
b) Venture
c) Thunder
d) Shit
other) _________

Krux weight is similar to:
a) Indy
b) Venture
c) Thunder
d) Shit
other) _________

Krux heights are similar to: (they have highs and lows? differences?)
a) Indy
b) Venture
c) Thunder
d) Shit
other) _________

Krux grind like:
a) Indy
b) Venture
c) Thunder
d) Shit
other) _________

Krux rating overall 1-10:

Krux turn like:
b) Venture


Krux weight is similar to:
b) Venture
c) Thunder

Krux heights are similar to: (they have highs and lows? differences?)
a) Indy(for the highs)
c) Thunder(for the lows but maybe a 1mm taller than thunder 147)


Krux grind like:
other) sorta like aces maybe

Krux rating overall 1-10: a solid 7 for me

They turn okay very similar to a venture but better and they respond almost like a thunder and feel sorta like a less surfy Indy, like if Indy’s we’re trying to be thunder is how I would describe it

In control and responsive but still trying to be surfy,Carvy, turny

I use to ride the downlow forever back in the day when small decks ruled but then I tried the new krux revamped with the new bushings and styles for this era of skating demand and idk, they aren’t as stable as old version

They hated being that truck that didn’t turn I guess so they started doing this soft bushing that don’t turn and updating the hangar shape so it’s got more clearance but I feel like they’re not as good as the old version and that’s why Louie still rides his old krux 3.5 tall

If you ride your trucks medium to tight you’ll be okay, if you ride or prefer loose trucks maybe even medium loose I wouldn’t recommend

They just lean when you wanna crave leaving you in that stuck position of doom, if you ride medium to tight like me they’re really decent trucks almost as good as thunder with response

They do this thing so when you land awkward and try to save yourself by leaning and turning/riding it out but you only get the forgiveness of leaning sloppily with no turn/ride out

Like what those loose trucks guys do, they just land the trick even if it’s sloppy but some how loose trucks saves lives and they ride it out landing hard on one side of the board and leaning and turning that way and re stabilizing after getting balanced, Indy’s, aces, and I think even thunders let you have that loose truck forgiveness

Krux tried to implement that in the truck and your life will not be saved for they don’t turn that hard and deep
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on August 14, 2019, 10:25:18 AM
Giving 5.6 cast Venture another chance. The stability is cool, but something feels off compared to Thunders. Will roll em another week and decide. I do like them over the V-lights as those are just too long. I might grab my 5.8 hanger and throw it on the 5.6 plate and give that a shot. I suck at feebles on 8.25 trucks, do em fine on 149/8.5
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 14, 2019, 10:52:44 AM
Quote from: rob on August 13, 2019, 12:33:45 PM
Quote from: Dog the Bounty Hunter on August 13, 2019, 09:00:25 AM
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Are 9” thunders coming out or did I dream that?
[close]

But wouldn’t you want 9” ventures?

Guys I’m sorta back, made the craziest discovery reading the jenkem article on truck setups and remembering a video too about franks setup being that he uses the Indy low after markets for his 147 and I took my old Indy go 90a conical lows and threw them in and damn, they make such a great difference to thunder 147, they have more clearance it seems and more turn-ability but still stable and centered thanks to the thunder geo, the know control geo

Sadly they don’t sell the Indy low bushings anymore 90a to be specific so if you can still get a set try it out if you ride 147, I tried it on 148 too and it’s good too but since those are taller than 147 I just stuck to using the stock or bones mediums

Throw in some ACE low bushings and be set ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on August 14, 2019, 11:33:39 AM
Quote from: rob on August 13, 2019, 12:33:45 PM
Quote from: Dog the Bounty Hunter on August 13, 2019, 09:00:25 AM
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Are 9” thunders coming out or did I dream that?
[close]


Sadly they don’t sell the Indy low bushings anymore 90a to be specific
https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/genuine-parts-low-conical-90a-cushions-medium-orange-independent (https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/genuine-parts-low-conical-90a-cushions-medium-orange-independent)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on August 14, 2019, 12:27:15 PM
Oh and update with Ventures and Bones Medium- the turn is definitely a bit deeper from the top washer not digging into the truck, however, they feel firmer than the stock bushings. I might switch back and use the Bones top washer.

Also, I run the trucks decently loose, but when I carve sharply sometimes, a front wheel will slightly lift off the ground on the front truck. Kinda weird.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on August 14, 2019, 12:36:49 PM
Quote from: fang on August 14, 2019, 05:43:41 AM
I've never tried Krux trucks. Please help a brotha out.. sell me (or don't?) on Krux. Using the big 3 as comparisons, as that's my usual suspects (albeit lately, I'm more Venture vs Thunder). Only other trucks I've tried in my years were Tracker Ultralights in 1987, Royals in 99 or '00, and Tensors for like a week in 2002 or something.

Krux turn like:
a) Indy
b) Venture
c) Thunder
d) Shit
other) _________

Krux weight is similar to:
a) Indy
b) Venture
c) Thunder
d) Shit
other) _________

Krux heights are similar to: (they have highs and lows? differences?)
a) Indy
b) Venture
c) Thunder
d) Shit
other) _________

Krux grind like:
a) Indy
b) Venture
c) Thunder
d) Shit
other) _________

Krux rating overall 1-10:

55mm height, great grind, perfect wheelbase, average weight (for a standard truck). If you like a sharp turn you will not like Krux. They turn fine, but it's not sharp. It's not responsive either. They dont have the same lean as a lot of trucks and if you switch from a turny truck you will litterally be falling over for the first few minutes. That's why a lot of people hate then with a passion. I think for some people the lack of response actually benefits them greatly.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 14, 2019, 05:12:13 PM
Quote from: Firebert on August 14, 2019, 11:33:39 AM
Quote from: rob on August 13, 2019, 12:33:45 PM
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Quote from: Dog the Bounty Hunter on August 13, 2019, 09:00:25 AM
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Are 9” thunders coming out or did I dream that?
[close]


Sadly they don’t sell the Indy low bushings anymore 90a to be specific
[close]
https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/genuine-parts-low-conical-90a-cushions-medium-orange-independent (https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/genuine-parts-low-conical-90a-cushions-medium-orange-independent)

Dang the source is the only place now I guess

I just know since they stopped making the lows they don’t really have the 90a low bushings on the major internet shops like skate warehouse and tactics
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on August 14, 2019, 08:18:32 PM
Quote from: rob on August 14, 2019, 06:23:41 AM
Quote from: fang on August 14, 2019, 05:43:41 AM
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I've never tried Krux trucks. Please help a brotha out.. sell me (or don't?) on Krux. Using the big 3 as comparisons, as that's my usual suspects (albeit lately, I'm more Venture vs Thunder). Only other trucks I've tried in my years were Tracker Ultralights in 1987, Royals in 99 or '00, and Tensors for like a week in 2002 or something.

Krux turn like:
a) Indy
b) Venture
c) Thunder
d) Shit
other) _________

Krux weight is similar to:
a) Indy
b) Venture
c) Thunder
d) Shit
other) _________

Krux heights are similar to: (they have highs and lows? differences?)
a) Indy
b) Venture
c) Thunder
d) Shit
other) _________

Krux grind like:
a) Indy
b) Venture
c) Thunder
d) Shit
other) _________

Krux rating overall 1-10:
[close]

Krux turn like:
b) Venture


Krux weight is similar to:
b) Venture
c) Thunder

Krux heights are similar to: (they have highs and lows? differences?)
a) Indy(for the highs)
c) Thunder(for the lows but maybe a 1mm taller than thunder 147)


Krux grind like:
other) sorta like aces maybe

Krux rating overall 1-10: a solid 7 for me

They turn okay very similar to a venture but better and they respond almost like a thunder and feel sorta like a less surfy Indy, like if Indy’s we’re trying to be thunder is how I would describe it

In control and responsive but still trying to be surfy,Carvy, turny

I use to ride the downlow forever back in the day when small decks ruled but then I tried the new krux revamped with the new bushings and styles for this era of skating demand and idk, they aren’t as stable as old version

They hated being that truck that didn’t turn I guess so they started doing this soft bushing that don’t turn and updating the hangar shape so it’s got more clearance but I feel like they’re not as good as the old version and that’s why Louie still rides his old krux 3.5 tall

If you ride your trucks medium to tight you’ll be okay, if you ride or prefer loose trucks maybe even medium loose I wouldn’t recommend

They just lean when you wanna crave leaving you in that stuck position of doom, if you ride medium to tight like me they’re really decent trucks almost as good as thunder with response

They do this thing so when you land awkward and try to save yourself by leaning and turning/riding it out but you only get the forgiveness of leaning sloppily with no turn/ride out

Like what those loose trucks guys do, they just land the trick even if it’s sloppy but some how loose trucks saves lives and they ride it out landing hard on one side of the board and leaning and turning that way and re stabilizing after getting balanced, Indy’s, aces, and I think even thunders let you have that loose truck forgiveness

Krux tried to implement that in the truck and your life will not be saved for they don’t turn that hard and deep

Thanks rob, lots of info. I'd like to try some to at least get the curiosity out of myself. Lately I flip flop between Venture and Thunder
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 14, 2019, 10:30:35 PM
I'm not sure how you guys can discuss Krux without mentioning wind resistance and colourways....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 14, 2019, 10:59:11 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 14, 2019, 10:30:35 PM
I'm not sure how you guys can discuss Krux without mentioning wind resistance and colourways....

Ahahaha trust me the hole helps with kick flips due to the Air Force that goes through it and creates a aero affect that holds it centered in the air for the rotation

Colorways...is stick to the raw

I have the gold downlow and the orange raw tall

The Raws just keep it classy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on August 15, 2019, 04:23:02 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 14, 2019, 10:30:35 PM
I'm not sure how you guys can discuss Krux without mentioning wind resistance and colourways....

dont forget the bottle opener
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on August 15, 2019, 06:03:43 AM
For those guys who mix bushings, do you normally put the harder one on the bottom or top?
Thinking about mixing the bones hard and mediums to try and get a bit more stability.

Going to throw them in some tensor ATG
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirtjers on August 15, 2019, 06:45:09 AM
For Independents I always did Bones hard bottoms / Bones medium tops. Would take like a week to break in but then was perfect for a year and a half. I didn't really have any real rhyme or reason to that combo aside from "I usually blow out the bottom Bones after a while, so if it's harder maybe I won't."

Right now I'm skating a set of Ventures and blew through the bushing really fast. Out of necessity I threw in the alternate Bones combo since I had them laying around, so it's medium bottom // hard top. I think I've read that this is actually the more common way to do it. I don't know how I feel about it yet, but (off topic) TBH Ventures are still on "trial mode" for me right now anyway... just trying to tinker and see if they're for me in the long haul. I'm already kinda over the fact I have to tinker at all though because the whole idea from moving away from Independent was to find a truck that just feels good stock, because I've realized that skating a truck stock is truly the only way to avoid the madness. You roll with punches instead of concocting quick fixes for everything haha.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on August 15, 2019, 06:51:20 AM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on August 15, 2019, 06:03:43 AM
For those guys who mix bushings, do you normally put the harder one on the bottom or top?
Thinking about mixing the bones hard and mediums to try and get a bit more stability.

Going to throw them in some tensor ATG

hard bottom soft top. i ran some generic hard bushing on the bottom and bones blues on the top, worked out pretty good would still turn super good but most of the time it'd stop before wheelbite on account of the hard bushing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crap on August 15, 2019, 07:01:21 AM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on August 15, 2019, 06:03:43 AM
For those guys who mix bushings, do you normally put the harder one on the bottom or top?
Thinking about mixing the bones hard and mediums to try and get a bit more stability.

Going to throw them in some tensor ATG

I go hard bottom/soft top (97a Deluxe Supercush bottom, broken in stock Venture top). I'm a bigger guy and ride medium-tight on Venture 5.6's, and had similar setups on Venture 5.2's and Thunder 147's before this. Maybe this is in my head, but I feel the softer top gives quick response, while the hard bottom helps with stability on deeper turns. I tried soft bottom/hard top once, and it felt absolutely disgusting, but I've heard of people doing that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on August 15, 2019, 07:19:57 AM
Quote from: Crap on August 15, 2019, 07:01:21 AM
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For those guys who mix bushings, do you normally put the harder one on the bottom or top?
Thinking about mixing the bones hard and mediums to try and get a bit more stability.

Going to throw them in some tensor ATG
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I go hard bottom/soft top (97a Deluxe Supercush bottom, broken in stock Venture top). I'm a bigger guy and ride medium-tight on Venture 5.6's, and had similar setups on Venture 5.2's and Thunder 147's before this. Maybe this is in my head, but I feel the softer top gives quick response, while the hard bottom helps with stability on deeper turns. I tried soft bottom/hard top once, and it felt absolutely disgusting, but I've heard of people doing that.

Sorry, I’ve done goofed. Disregard everything I said before editing this. Aces have a softer bottom and harder top and they work beautifully IMO. I guess it all comes down to preference and a million other things.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on August 15, 2019, 07:32:02 AM
Thanks for the responses, I’ll try the hards on the bottom first.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on August 15, 2019, 07:40:06 AM
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For those guys who mix bushings, do you normally put the harder one on the bottom or top?
Thinking about mixing the bones hard and mediums to try and get a bit more stability.

Going to throw them in some tensor ATG
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I go hard bottom/soft top (97a Deluxe Supercush bottom, broken in stock Venture top). I'm a bigger guy and ride medium-tight on Venture 5.6's, and had similar setups on Venture 5.2's and Thunder 147's before this. Maybe this is in my head, but I feel the softer top gives quick response, while the hard bottom helps with stability on deeper turns. I tried soft bottom/hard top once, and it felt absolutely disgusting, but I've heard of people doing that.
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Aces have a harder bottom and softer top and Ace bushings are arguably the best bushings around so maybe there is a point to be running a harder bottom bushing and a softer top on other trucks too.

I think you have this the wrong way around. Pretty sure Ace is softer bottom and harder top, which is the combo I have always preferred in most my trucks. I run Ace bushings in Krux and it's fantastic.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 15, 2019, 08:55:50 AM
Quote from: Roisto on August 15, 2019, 07:19:57 AM
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For those guys who mix bushings, do you normally put the harder one on the bottom or top?
Thinking about mixing the bones hard and mediums to try and get a bit more stability.

Going to throw them in some tensor ATG
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I go hard bottom/soft top (97a Deluxe Supercush bottom, broken in stock Venture top). I'm a bigger guy and ride medium-tight on Venture 5.6's, and had similar setups on Venture 5.2's and Thunder 147's before this. Maybe this is in my head, but I feel the softer top gives quick response, while the hard bottom helps with stability on deeper turns. I tried soft bottom/hard top once, and it felt absolutely disgusting, but I've heard of people doing that.
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Aces have a harder bottom and softer top and Ace bushings are arguably the best bushings around so maybe there is a point to be running a harder bottom bushing and a softer top on other trucks too.

While no basis in fact, having tried the ACE bushings in Thunder and Venture, I feel as if that duro combination excels in the opposite camp's geo: ACE/Indy (I rand them in MLs as well and they felt great). They did not work like magic in Ventures despite being the same size and shape bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on August 15, 2019, 11:28:08 AM
Quote from: Beeker on August 15, 2019, 07:40:06 AM
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For those guys who mix bushings, do you normally put the harder one on the bottom or top?
Thinking about mixing the bones hard and mediums to try and get a bit more stability.

Going to throw them in some tensor ATG
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I go hard bottom/soft top (97a Deluxe Supercush bottom, broken in stock Venture top). I'm a bigger guy and ride medium-tight on Venture 5.6's, and had similar setups on Venture 5.2's and Thunder 147's before this. Maybe this is in my head, but I feel the softer top gives quick response, while the hard bottom helps with stability on deeper turns. I tried soft bottom/hard top once, and it felt absolutely disgusting, but I've heard of people doing that.
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Aces have a harder bottom and softer top and Ace bushings are arguably the best bushings around so maybe there is a point to be running a harder bottom bushing and a softer top on other trucks too.
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I think you have this the wrong way around. Pretty sure Ace is softer bottom and harder top, which is the combo I have always preferred in most my trucks. I run Ace bushings in Krux and it's fantastic.

Shit. You’re right. Better go fix my reply, so it won’t cause any more confusion. 😬
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 1xz5h on August 16, 2019, 06:33:53 PM
Settin up a couple decks with Indy Stage 11s and Bones hard bushings. Pretty sure (based on the bushings' instructions) the consensus is to keep on the top washer only. My question's which washer? The thin plated Bones one or the top/stock Indy washer?

Appreciate any feedback!

Edit: This vid looks like he uses the stock top washer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8uFQt-qnb8
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on August 16, 2019, 10:32:53 PM
Quote from: 1xz5h on August 16, 2019, 06:33:53 PM
Settin up a couple decks with Indy Stage 11s and Bones hard bushings. Pretty sure (based on the bushings' instructions) the consensus is to keep on the top washer only. My question's which washer? The thin plated Bones one or the top/stock Indy washer?

Appreciate any feedback!

Edit: This vid looks like he uses the stock top washer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8uFQt-qnb8

bones washer gives you more room for adjustment.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on August 17, 2019, 08:56:38 AM
I found out that bones without bottom washer lower the truck and you loose turn ability and because of the hard plastic inserts you don’t need a top washer not to fuck up/blow out your top bushings.

So I put the washer underneath to keep the same height and run no washer on the top. Feels best for bones in Indy for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oldbummer on August 17, 2019, 10:28:27 AM
Big moves in truck world

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1RV_bnhULu/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 1xz5h on August 17, 2019, 12:59:15 PM
Quote from: jtrpma on August 17, 2019, 08:56:38 AM
I found out that bones without bottom washer lower the truck and you loose turn ability and because of the hard plastic inserts you don’t need a top washer not to fuck up/blow out your top bushings.

So I put the washer underneath to keep the same height and run no washer on the top. Feels best for bones in Indy for me.

Thanks for the advice man. Just switched in the bottom for the top.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on August 17, 2019, 04:29:43 PM
Quote from: oldbummer on August 17, 2019, 10:28:27 AM
Big moves in truck world

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1RV_bnhULu/
Sincere question, why are people leaving independent? Bobby Worrest in the beginning of the year Alex Olson now Grosso. Is it really all about China? Isn’t ace made in China?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 17, 2019, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: 1xz5h on August 17, 2019, 12:59:15 PM
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I found out that bones without bottom washer lower the truck and you loose turn ability and because of the hard plastic inserts you don’t need a top washer not to fuck up/blow out your top bushings.

So I put the washer underneath to keep the same height and run no washer on the top. Feels best for bones in Indy for me.
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Thanks for the advice man. Just switched in the bottom for the top.

Back this as well, run it in my 159s. Top washer on the bottom, bones flat washer on top, kingpin nut flush. Best turn I've ever had.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on August 17, 2019, 04:36:05 PM
Olson has been on Ace for a while. Probably because Ace is owned by people that skate and not the NHS conglomerate of toy store looking products.

I still like the way my 149s ride on the DLX full se shape although Thunders aren’t too far off, but I can’t stick with another combo.

In other news Cromer is now included in the Venture edits.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on August 17, 2019, 04:45:12 PM
Quote from: Idk on August 17, 2019, 04:29:43 PM
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Big moves in truck world

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1RV_bnhULu/
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Sincere question, why are people leaving independent? Bobby Worrest in the beginning of the year Alex Olson now Grosso. Is it really all about China? Isn’t ace made in China?

Nah, you'd be hard pressed to find some mass exodus from a company (in Skateboarding at least), based solely industrial protectionism. Half of Crail didn't quit just because the wood went to shit (the mass quitting happened later). As someone pointed out in UWT there's some thinly veiled digs at current management in Grosso's post.

Though I'm mostly talking out of my ass, if you follow the threads of people quitting Indy, and if they comment about it (i.e Andy Roy talking about them being a 'toy' company now, owned by Mattel or something? AR is incoherent as shit), there's likely something going on behind the scenes with the owners, tm's etc. that's driving the shift to other companies. The fact they moved production to China is likely a byproduct of unpopular management rather than the reason itself. And it seems like there's been friction since Tershay left way back, so... who the fuck knows. I'd love some insider tell-all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: B0udoir on August 17, 2019, 05:00:51 PM
Quote from: Idk on August 17, 2019, 04:29:43 PM
Sincere question, why are people leaving independent? Bobby Worrest in the beginning of the year Alex Olson now Grosso. Is it really all about China? Isn’t ace made in China?

Maybe I'm wrong, but in my mind Independent was an American symbol, like Harley Davidson. Now that they are 100% produced outside the US, I suppose that people feel betrayed ? Ace never played that game, their strategy is basically "we make the type of trucks that we love to ride, take it or leave it".
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 17, 2019, 09:50:38 PM
apparently, Joey Tershy wanted to make a similarly designed truck while he still worked with Indy but they resisted.
Ace are just making a truck people wanted and want. Many older diehards had a hard time abandoning Indy but its getting easier to distance oneself for reasons mentioned above.

Now if Ace could retool their sizes....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on August 17, 2019, 10:11:28 PM
Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on August 17, 2019, 09:50:38 PM
Now if Ace could retool their sizes....
...and use better metals so they don't break as easily and use washers that actually fit the bushings etc...

also, i don't think the sizes should be completely changed, it's gonna be confusing as fuck and the current 66 size is apparently gonna disappear so they should really just add an 8.5 hanger to the lineup and stop fucking around so much and just stick to the current design while perfecting the smaller details.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 17, 2019, 11:04:27 PM
I think Indy never paid, or paid much.  Skaters didn't care though because they were making money elsewhere....Now they aren't. 

I was hoping Grosso was going to get on gullwing....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on August 17, 2019, 11:25:40 PM
I skate 8.5, tried Ace's 44 and 55 and it was a total failure for me. I loved how 44's felt and turned but they just didn't worked for me.
I would love to try again when Ace will be offering an 8.5 truck. Until then I'm sticking with my 149
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chappers on August 18, 2019, 07:38:33 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on August 17, 2019, 04:36:05 PM
Olson has been on Ace for a while. Probably because Ace is owned by people that skate and not the NHS conglomerate of toy store looking products.

I still like the way my 149s ride on the DLX full se shape although Thunders aren’t too far off, but I can’t stick with another combo.

In other news Cromer is now included in the Venture edits.

cromer was only credited as a filmer for one the clips. did you even watch the ig post?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 18, 2019, 08:41:06 AM
Quote from: I AM on August 17, 2019, 10:11:28 PM
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Now if Ace could retool their sizes....
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...and use better metals so they don't break as easily and use washers that actually fit the bushings etc...

also, i don't think the sizes should be completely changed, it's gonna be confusing as fuck and the current 66 size is apparently gonna disappear so they should really just add an 8.5 hanger to the lineup and stop fucking around so much and just stick to the current design while perfecting the smaller details.

44s are so close to a 149 we are talking 3mm in overall hangar width. What we really need is a size between 44 and 55. Say 8.6 or 8.75.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on August 18, 2019, 08:55:05 AM
Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on August 18, 2019, 08:41:06 AM
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Now if Ace could retool their sizes....
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...and use better metals so they don't break as easily and use washers that actually fit the bushings etc...

also, i don't think the sizes should be completely changed, it's gonna be confusing as fuck and the current 66 size is apparently gonna disappear so they should really just add an 8.5 hanger to the lineup and stop fucking around so much and just stick to the current design while perfecting the smaller details.
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44s are so close to a 149 we are talking 3mm in overall hangar width. What we really need is a size between 44 and 55. Say 8.6 or 8.75.

This! An Ace 50 would be great at 8.6875“!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on August 18, 2019, 09:05:33 AM
Quote from: moonordie on August 17, 2019, 11:25:40 PM
I skate 8.5, tried Ace's 44 and 55 and it was a total failure for me. I loved how 44's felt and turned but they just didn't worked for me.
I would love to try again when Ace will be offering an 8.5 truck. Until then I'm sticking with my 149

There's no way this is anything but mental. Put some extra washers in and call em 8.5.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on August 18, 2019, 10:48:20 AM
For people who are good, you’re absolutely right. I am terrible but hated 44s on 8.5. But i fuck with 55s heavy. It’s all personal preference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oldbummer on August 18, 2019, 02:31:41 PM
Supposedly Ace is 7071 aluminum and Indy is 365 aluminum.  These are incomplete specifications so you can't draw any conclusions on hardness.

If you wanted to be a super nerd I guess you could take it upon yourself to try to harden the Al.  Put it in an oven at like 450 F for four hours and then age it in another oven at 120 F for 24 hours.  Recipe is approximate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Reese on August 18, 2019, 04:56:55 PM
Quote from: oldbummer on August 18, 2019, 02:31:41 PM
Supposedly Ace is 7071 aluminum and Indy is 365 aluminum.  These are incomplete specifications so you can't draw any conclusions on hardness.

If you wanted to be a super nerd I guess you could take it upon yourself to try to harden the Al.  Put it in an oven at like 450 F for four hours and then age it in another oven at 120 F for 24 hours.  Recipe is approximate.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/oD73n69EXBLTG/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 18, 2019, 11:03:42 PM
Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on August 18, 2019, 08:41:06 AM
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...and use better metals so they don't break as easily and use washers that actually fit the bushings etc...

also, i don't think the sizes should be completely changed, it's gonna be confusing as fuck and the current 66 size is apparently gonna disappear so they should really just add an 8.5 hanger to the lineup and stop fucking around so much and just stick to the current design while perfecting the smaller details.
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44s are so close to a 149 we are talking 3mm in overall hangar width. What we really need is a size between 44 and 55. Say 8.6 or 8.75.

Yeah the hangar sizing is odd, my 03 hangar are a mm or 2 shorter than my 147 thunders but the axle on the 03 compared with the 147 line up perfectly to an 8” truck each

So basically ace 33/03 have less truck for grinding compared to other 8” trucks but only us kooks care

Does anyone know if the new ace classic lows are any different from the old ace lows? Like did they unbow the hangar and make them straight like all the new high aces?

I’m debating to put it on my wish list to get a new pair of ace lows 

Quote from: oldbummer on August 18, 2019, 02:31:41 PM
Supposedly Ace is 7071 aluminum and Indy is 365 aluminum.  These are incomplete specifications so you can't draw any conclusions on hardness.

If you wanted to be a super nerd I guess you could take it upon yourself to try to harden the Al.  Put it in an oven at like 450 F for four hours and then age it in another oven at 120 F for 24 hours.  Recipe is approximate.

So a harder metal slides smoother and better?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oldbummer on August 19, 2019, 12:04:23 AM
Quote from: rob on August 18, 2019, 11:03:42 PM

So a harder metal slides smoother and better?

Yes.  Based on the grind anything reputation G&S trucks (4130 Steel) have.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on August 19, 2019, 12:04:58 AM
Quote from: rob on August 18, 2019, 11:03:42 PM
Quote from: oldbummer on August 18, 2019, 02:31:41 PM
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Supposedly Ace is 7071 aluminum and Indy is 365 aluminum.  These are incomplete specifications so you can't draw any conclusions on hardness.

If you wanted to be a super nerd I guess you could take it upon yourself to try to harden the Al.  Put it in an oven at like 450 F for four hours and then age it in another oven at 120 F for 24 hours.  Recipe is approximate.
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So a harder metal slides smoother and better?

Theoretically, but there's about a million variables and unless you want to descend down a black hole of metallurgy I wouldn't overthink it too much (I know, you're rob). Also, as for the home-bake tempering process outlined above - I say this gently - but what the fuck man? You got 4130 chromoly in the axle and hardened kingpins, trying to temper hanger/baseplate alloy in the oven would utterly and completely fuck the heat treating of your axles and kingpins.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on August 19, 2019, 12:10:19 AM
I have a friend who did his engineering masters thesis on skateboard truck materials. I can ask him to chip in if he cares. Been meaning to read that thesis myself too. Might be interesting. 🤔
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on August 19, 2019, 01:42:13 AM
Quote from: Roisto on August 19, 2019, 12:10:19 AM
I have a friend who did his engineering masters thesis on skateboard truck materials. I can ask him to chip in if he cares. Been meaning to read that thesis myself too. Might be interesting. 🤔
Sure I would appreciate it a lot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 19, 2019, 07:32:34 AM
I think it depends on what you are grinding but yes, I think the softer metal leads to more buttery grinds on ACEs...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on August 19, 2019, 07:38:56 AM
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So a harder metal slides smoother and better?
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Yes.  Based on the grind anything reputation G&S trucks (4130 Steel) have.

G&S would grind on more than aluminum trucks, but the grind was not as nice. When I started skating again 6 years ago I was still on G&S. When I switched to Mini Logo I couldn’t believe how fast they were on standard coping.  Grinds are a 2 part equation.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 19, 2019, 01:05:38 PM
The theeve titanium, hard metal, the trucks would not grind down.  grind good on concrete, bad on anything else....hard metal, bad grind.

I think the magnesiums, soft metal ,grind like crazy.....

I'm sure the metal properties make a difference too. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on August 19, 2019, 04:39:29 PM
Can anyone confirm that soaking forged baseplates in acetone can get the paint off? Just ordered those Venture Ti’s and I’m not feeling the gold baseplates
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on August 19, 2019, 05:01:44 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on August 19, 2019, 04:39:29 PM
Can anyone confirm that soaking forged baseplates in acetone can get the paint off? Just ordered those Venture Ti’s and I’m not feeling the gold baseplates
Nah, it doesn't work. oven cleaner will, but the metal will look all fucked up and blotchy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Reese on August 19, 2019, 05:25:56 PM
Chemicals used to remove anodizing can be pretty toxic, be careful

Sandblasting is also an option


* No ace cups =/= indy cups
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on August 19, 2019, 05:45:51 PM
Will Ace riptide pivot cups fit in Indys? Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on August 19, 2019, 07:34:59 PM
Crooked grind front side and backside. Boom raw hangers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 19, 2019, 07:40:47 PM
Will, not sure how extremely you want to take the paint off but ive done this

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I last did this on Saturday, I’ve tried a few things
Soaked in acetone and scraping
Sanding it through completly

I’ve found the answer, took me a half hour and there’s not a spot left

Aerosol autobody paint remover, the one I got is made by Rustoleum and it bubbles the paint off which makes for picking it off easy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 19, 2019, 08:51:14 PM
I was asking/researching about this awhile back and that “aircraft stripper” stuff seems to be the ultimate method. Just spray it all over generously, then watch the paint start to bubble, once it’s finished doing its job you just scrape and wash it all off and you’re done.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on August 19, 2019, 09:48:13 PM
Anodizing and paint are two different things and something that removes paint will probably not remove anodizing. This was discussed in detail (maybe in this topic?) a few years ago. Better make sure if they're painted or anodized first.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AssFea on August 19, 2019, 09:51:52 PM
Quote from: Roisto on August 19, 2019, 09:48:13 PM
Anodizing and paint are two different things and something that removes paint will probably not remove anodizing. This was discussed in detail (maybe in this topic?) a few years ago. Better make sure if they're painted or anodized first.

Yeah. I don’t think paint remover will have negative fx on anodized trucks or any fx at all
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Complements4U on August 19, 2019, 09:57:55 PM
You need thermal pressure to crack anodized coating. It's a surface oxidation of the metal, that is a dyed coating way more resistant than paint. You can sand it off with enough determination or a sand blaster.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: potpie on August 19, 2019, 10:18:39 PM
Try using oven cleaner (lye or caustic soda?) to remove anodizing, look it up for details b4 you try though. One or the other def works
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on August 19, 2019, 11:50:47 PM
You could also skate them as is, because it literally does not matter which color your baseplate is and doing anything about it is a waste of time, but what do I know?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on August 20, 2019, 09:06:18 AM
Quote from: bbk on August 19, 2019, 11:50:47 PM
You could also skate them as is, because it literally does not matter which color your baseplate is and doing anything about it is a waste of time, but what do I know?

I don’t mind getting a little crafty to get my setup to look how I want to. I prefer raw trucks or at least a black baseplate but the venture Titaniums only come in gold as of now

That being said, a lot of this shit sounds like more than I’m willing to do right now(https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/hubie.png) . I’ll probably skate them as is for a while til I feel like being extra one day or can nab some other baseplates
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tuna on August 20, 2019, 06:51:44 PM
I’ve noticed people not liking the stage 11 as compared to the stage 10...can anyone enlighten me as to the difference?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on August 20, 2019, 06:53:18 PM
Quote from: Tuna on August 20, 2019, 06:51:44 PM
I’ve noticed people not liking the stage 11 as compared to the stage 10...can anyone enlighten me as to the difference?

Stage 10 were lower, tighter turning radius and had less kingpin clearance.  I prefer 11
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on August 20, 2019, 07:09:15 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on August 20, 2019, 06:53:18 PM
Quote from: Tuna on August 20, 2019, 06:51:44 PM
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I’ve noticed people not liking the stage 11 as compared to the stage 10...can anyone enlighten me as to the difference?
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Stage 10 were lower, tighter turning radius and had less kingpin clearance.  I prefer 11
tighter?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 20, 2019, 07:13:53 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on August 20, 2019, 06:53:18 PM
Quote from: Tuna on August 20, 2019, 06:51:44 PM
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I’ve noticed people not liking the stage 11 as compared to the stage 10...can anyone enlighten me as to the difference?
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Stage 10 were lower, tighter turning radius and had less kingpin clearance.  I prefer 11

It’s all an adjustment to the times

Back during stage 10 days most people rode tighter trucks, *MOST* so it wasn’t a big deal how little they turned, then the era of sizing up to 8” decks and bigger and bigger boards need bigger more fluid trucks that can take the leverage

So every truck went from low, small and tight to wide, tall and loose

I can’t get with the times, I max out at 8.25 trucks at medium tight at best

I prefer 8” medium tight on an 8” deck, any bigger and I gotta go kook and have the titanium magnesium setup with hollow axle and kingpin
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on August 21, 2019, 12:14:45 AM
I skate 8.3-8.5 boards w/ 44’s on them these days, but i have my old setup at work to skate some flatground every now and then, 8” board with 139’s and while flipping it feels alot easier I miss that extra space and stability of my current set up. Not going back 😁
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 21, 2019, 02:47:22 AM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  on August 21, 2019, 12:14:45 AM
I skate 8.3-8.5 boards w/ 44’s on them these days, but i have my old setup at work to skate some flatground every now and then, 8” board with 139’s and while flipping it feels alot easier I miss that extra space and stability of my current set up. Not going back 😁

I liked the extra space for a moment when I had my young legs but I’m getting less skate time on the daily so I need me that smaller lighter setup

Plus for me the smaller setup I eventually get used to it to the point I only trust doing risky stuff with it cause I can rely on it not to ghost pop or flip all weird, I just gotta commit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on August 21, 2019, 02:53:21 AM
Quote from: rob on August 21, 2019, 02:47:22 AM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  on August 21, 2019, 12:14:45 AM
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I skate 8.3-8.5 boards w/ 44’s on them these days, but i have my old setup at work to skate some flatground every now and then, 8” board with 139’s and while flipping it feels alot easier I miss that extra space and stability of my current set up. Not going back 😁
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I liked the extra space for a moment when I had my young legs but I’m getting less skate time on the daily so I need me that smaller lighter setup

Plus for me the smaller setup I eventually get used to it to the point I only trust doing risky stuff with it cause I can rely on it not to ghost pop or flip all weird, I just gotta commit
I’m 36 now and skate maybe 2-3 times a week, I tend to lose my touch super fast so that bigger setup suits for me better, more room for error as I skate more tranny that flatground these days😄 to each their own I guess, homie is in his mid 40’s and just went back to 7.75” and when I try his board it feels super tiny and insecure, feel like I’m stepping of all the time 😅

edit. My ollie has been shit from the start so weight doesn’t matter nothing to me, I ollie knee high with 7.5” and 10” and that’s fine for me😂😂

2nd edit. I think I found that 8” flipping easier b/c I’ve learned all my flips on smaller boards, with those bigger boards I need to force my feet on a bit different position than how I put them naturally on board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 22, 2019, 08:52:48 AM
Kind of scare to jump back into this thread but...

I'm in need of some 8.75" axle trucks.... while I wait for Ace to make one... I'd usually go Thunder 151.

I know Ventures are going to be VERY different but tell me why I should or shouldn't try these new 6.1s for a wider street set up with some tranny thrown in...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on August 22, 2019, 08:57:46 AM
Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on August 22, 2019, 08:52:48 AM
Kind of scare to jump back into this thread but...

I'm in need of some 8.75" axle trucks.... while I wait for Ace to make one... I'd usually go Thunder 151.

I know Ventures are going to be VERY different but tell me why I should or shouldn't try these new 6.1s for a wider street set up with some tranny thrown in...
They slide so buttery. Like so buttery. (For some weird reason my flip tricks didn’t work on the lows so I’m trying the highs).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on August 22, 2019, 09:28:44 AM
Well, I just couldn't do Ventures. Tried on multiple decks new and old and just never felt good. IDC what anyone says, they have the least turn of anything I have tried (Ace, Indy, Thunder, Venture).  149 Hollows and 148 Thunders just always feel right even if the Thunders sometimes stretch the wheelbase out a tad.  Aftermarket 90A bushings in the Indy's, stock/boiled in the Thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirtjers on August 22, 2019, 10:01:23 AM
Yeah the Ventures are cool but I'm not totally sold.

They turn... I think saying they don't is just explaining them wrong. The issue for me is the moments where carving into tricks really feels weird. I'm not a transition skater, I mean simple things like the swerve into a nollie 180 crooks or something. It's strange because although I'm not even having a particularly bad time on them - I know I won't skate them forever. I also know that once it's NOT 95 degrees outside, aforementioned inherent snugness could increase tenfold.

It's a double edge sword though because while I'm complaining about that feeling, the stability is also their strong suit. Certain tricks definitely feel better on that more linear path. I tweaked them a bit to get them way looser and TBH they just kind of lose their main strength as a stable truck by turning into a subpar loose truck. A Venture just can't, and shouldn't, be an Indy... it'll pale in comparison.

All that being said, I've decided that while I'm a man without a country I'd pick up a set of Thunders to try that. I imagine them as a middle ground between Indy & Venture which is what I think I'm looking for maybe? I got the 148 Team Hollows.... so they're closer to the Indy Forged Height (which I like). I set them up but other than standing on them at home I haven't gotten to skate them yet. We'll see how it goes... I usually hear good things about Thunder here, and it's definitely a brand I wouldn't be bummed on skating longterm if they ended up feeling good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 22, 2019, 10:56:39 AM
Solid description then and one that leaves me to believe they aren't for me. Going to have to use some old 159s until Ace do an 8.75"... hopefully that's still coming...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on August 22, 2019, 11:26:17 AM
Quote from: dirtjers on August 22, 2019, 10:01:23 AM
Yeah the Ventures are cool but I'm not totally sold.

They turn... I think saying they don't is just explaining them wrong. The issue for me is the moments where carving into tricks really feels weird. I'm not a transition skater, I mean simple things like the swerve into a nollie 180 crooks or something. It's strange because although I'm not even having a particularly bad time on them - I know I won't skate them forever. I also know that once it's NOT 95 degrees outside, aforementioned inherent snugness could increase tenfold.

It's a double edge sword though because while I'm complaining about that feeling, the stability is also their strong suit. Certain tricks definitely feel better on that more linear path. I tweaked them a bit to get them way looser and TBH they just kind of lose their main strength as a stable truck by turning into a subpar loose truck. A Venture just can't, and shouldn't, be an Indy... it'll pale in comparison.

All that being said, I've decided that while I'm a man without a country I'd pick up a set of Thunders to try that. I imagine them as a middle ground between Indy & Venture which is what I think I'm looking for maybe? I got the 148 Team Hollows.... so they're closer to the Indy Forged Height (which I like). I set them up but other than standing on them at home I haven't gotten to skate them yet. We'll see how it goes... I usually hear good things about Thunder here, and it's definitely a brand I wouldn't be bummed on skating longterm if they ended up feeling good.

I've skated Indy, Venture, Ace, and Thunder. For me personally Thunders are the best truck. The only negative is they don't slide as fast as the others since your wheels make contact. Some wax removes that problem though and they turn fantastic while being stable and grinding great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirtjers on August 22, 2019, 11:43:51 AM
Quote from: Paperclip20 on August 22, 2019, 11:26:17 AM
Quote from: dirtjers on August 22, 2019, 10:01:23 AM
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Yeah the Ventures are cool but I'm not totally sold.

They turn... I think saying they don't is just explaining them wrong. The issue for me is the moments where carving into tricks really feels weird. I'm not a transition skater, I mean simple things like the swerve into a nollie 180 crooks or something. It's strange because although I'm not even having a particularly bad time on them - I know I won't skate them forever. I also know that once it's NOT 95 degrees outside, aforementioned inherent snugness could increase tenfold.

It's a double edge sword though because while I'm complaining about that feeling, the stability is also their strong suit. Certain tricks definitely feel better on that more linear path. I tweaked them a bit to get them way looser and TBH they just kind of lose their main strength as a stable truck by turning into a subpar loose truck. A Venture just can't, and shouldn't, be an Indy... it'll pale in comparison.

All that being said, I've decided that while I'm a man without a country I'd pick up a set of Thunders to try that. I imagine them as a middle ground between Indy & Venture which is what I think I'm looking for maybe? I got the 148 Team Hollows.... so they're closer to the Indy Forged Height (which I like). I set them up but other than standing on them at home I haven't gotten to skate them yet. We'll see how it goes... I usually hear good things about Thunder here, and it's definitely a brand I wouldn't be bummed on skating longterm if they ended up feeling good.
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I've skated Indy, Venture, Ace, and Thunder. For me personally Thunders are the best truck. The only negative is they don't slide as fast as the others since your wheels make contact. Some wax removes that problem though and they turn fantastic while being stable and grinding great.

Stoked, that sounds pretty much exactly what I’m looking for!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on August 22, 2019, 12:51:53 PM
After eliminating Indy, I am currently going with thunder, with venture on standby. I've done my few break in sessions, need to tighten them up a smidge. Giving me anxiety even thinking about it. My left (push foot) ankle is a mess, so I need,some stability back there
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirtjers on August 22, 2019, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: fang on August 22, 2019, 12:51:53 PM
After eliminating Indy, I am currently going with thunder, with venture on standby. I've done my few break in sessions, need to tighten them up a smidge. Giving me anxiety even thinking about it. My left (push foot) ankle is a mess, so I need,some stability back there

Haha we're in the same boat only I did Venture first and have Thunder on standby.  8)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on August 22, 2019, 06:51:21 PM
It's close. Mentally I flip flop every 5 minutes. They're both great
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on August 22, 2019, 09:00:40 PM
Madness is getting really real. I miss the surf of 55s but being on 5.8 V-lights my tricks feel easier and ollies feel higher from the weight difference. My legs also don’t feel fatigued from kicking around the bigger board for over an hour (see:weak ankles) I’m currently trying to find that perfect surf that the stock bushings had before they blew out. I think bones mediums are gonna work after trying bones hards and super Cush. They added stability but also took away some of the quicker carve/surf.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on August 23, 2019, 05:32:49 AM
Quote from: tangar on August 22, 2019, 09:00:40 PM
Madness is getting really real. I miss the surf of 55s but being on 5.8 V-lights my tricks feel easier and ollies feel higher from the weight difference. My legs also don’t feel fatigued from kicking around the bigger board for over an hour (see:weak ankles) I’m currently trying to find that perfect surf that the stock bushings had before they blew out. I think bones mediums are gonna work after trying bones hards and super Cush. They added stability but also took away some of the quicker carve/surf.
Honestly, DLX should sell aftermarket bushings just the same as stock ones. Venture bushing are really good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on August 23, 2019, 08:05:37 AM
Quote from: Idk on August 23, 2019, 05:32:49 AM
Quote from: tangar on August 22, 2019, 09:00:40 PM
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Madness is getting really real. I miss the surf of 55s but being on 5.8 V-lights my tricks feel easier and ollies feel higher from the weight difference. My legs also don’t feel fatigued from kicking around the bigger board for over an hour (see:weak ankles) I’m currently trying to find that perfect surf that the stock bushings had before they blew out. I think bones mediums are gonna work after trying bones hards and super Cush. They added stability but also took away some of the quicker carve/surf.
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Honestly, DLX should sell aftermarket bushings just the same as stock ones. Venture bushing are really good.

Totally agree.  they do for thunder but it's really annoying that they don't for venture
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on August 23, 2019, 01:35:55 PM
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/venture-trucks-98a-bottom-bushings-purple_p118839?view=manu&brand_id=98
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on August 23, 2019, 10:48:53 PM
Quote from: drinny on August 23, 2019, 01:35:55 PM
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/venture-trucks-98a-bottom-bushings-purple_p118839?view=manu&brand_id=98

Are the purple stock ones really 98A? 😮 No wonder they felt a lil stiff.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on August 24, 2019, 07:09:17 AM
Quote from: Roisto on August 23, 2019, 10:48:53 PM
Quote from: drinny on August 23, 2019, 01:35:55 PM
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https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/venture-trucks-98a-bottom-bushings-purple_p118839?view=manu&brand_id=98
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Are the purple stock ones really 98A? 😮 No wonder they felt a lil stiff.

I'm pretty sure the stock ones are 90.  @tangar got the green 94 and they're harder than stock
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 24, 2019, 09:08:41 AM
OK, I'm jumping into some truck insanity.

Was skating my Brown Bomber Ah 8.8 14.25 WB with Ace 44s and it was starting to feel a little soft and losing its 'pop.' I was thinking, a few more sessions and then its time for a freshie. Instead, I threw on some old Thunder 151s. Holy shit, the deck seemed to come back alive... Probably due to where the axle sits in relation to the tail... anyway, pretty damn interesting....

Now, where did that rumor start that Thunder might be doing some wider (9"?) trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mattdlx on August 24, 2019, 09:16:21 AM
9.125” axle Thunders are indeed coming soon. I am very stoked to give them a go.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 24, 2019, 10:42:57 AM
Quote from: mattdlx on August 24, 2019, 09:16:21 AM
9.125” axle Thunders are indeed coming soon. I am very stoked to give them a go.

Cheers for the update!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 1xz5h on August 24, 2019, 05:12:52 PM
Smallest board width you'd pair with 149 Indys?

After some trial/error, my sweet spot's an 8.125 x 31.5 w/ a 14.25 wb. Anyone ever rock 149s on an 8.125?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on August 24, 2019, 05:19:50 PM
Quote from: 1xz5h on August 24, 2019, 05:12:52 PM
Smallest board width you'd pair with 149 Indys?

After some trial/error, my sweet spot's an 8.125 x 31.5 w/ a 14.25 wb. Anyone ever rock 149s on an 8.125?

Did that once before I sized up to 8.38's. I didn't care for it, but it also could have been dissatisfaction with the 8.125." I would think 144's would be perfect for that size deck.   
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 1xz5h on August 24, 2019, 05:21:51 PM
Quote from: palelight on August 24, 2019, 05:19:50 PM
Quote from: 1xz5h on August 24, 2019, 05:12:52 PM
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Smallest board width you'd pair with 149 Indys?

After some trial/error, my sweet spot's an 8.125 x 31.5 w/ a 14.25 wb. Anyone ever rock 149s on an 8.125?
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Did that once before I sized up to 8.38's. I didn't care for it, but it also could have been dissatisfaction with the 8.125." I would think 144's would be perfect for that size deck.

Word, thx
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on August 24, 2019, 05:37:41 PM
Will the big air skaters switch to the new thunders with the Indy 215s drying up?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nosneb on August 24, 2019, 07:16:54 PM
I ride 8.5 trucks with 8 decks and it’s fine for me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on August 25, 2019, 01:31:06 AM
Swapped from some ACE 44's to Tensor ATG all terrain geo trucks. Honestly these are the best trucks I've ridden. They don't turn on a dime quite as well as ace but they're way nicer on center when you setup for a trick with narrow footing like hardlfip. Also the magnesium grinds down and gets dings slightly easier, but I don't mind it since you can get stuff like a good crook groove easily. If it becomes a problem I'll probably opt for the regular aluminum version. The turning is great while still being stable, the kingpin clearance is solid and the baseplate prevents the wheels from getting in the way when you do slides. It ticks all the boxes for me, didn't see much about it so figured I'd let people know.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on August 25, 2019, 09:44:17 AM
Quote from: whatsreallygood on August 25, 2019, 01:31:06 AM
Swapped from some ACE 44's to Tensor ATG all terrain geo trucks. Honestly these are the best trucks I've ridden. They don't turn on a dime quite as well as ace but they're way nicer on center when you setup for a trick with narrow footing like hardlfip. Also the magnesium grinds down and gets dings slightly easier, but I don't mind it since you can get stuff like a good crook groove easily. If it becomes a problem I'll probably opt for the regular aluminum version. The turning is great while still being stable, the kingpin clearance is solid and the baseplate prevents the wheels from getting in the way when you do slides. It ticks all the boxes for me, didn't see much about it so figured I'd let people know.

Great trucks, but despite what people say about them I hate the way they grind. It feels like you are scraping the wax off as you go so they slow down. Switched back to my Krux and my grinds feel SO much better, it just feels like I'm skating a boat anchor. That's another reason I switched back is I don't want to get to used to the weight because I feel like when it gets windy again it's gonna piss me off. If Krux were just a little lighter I'd be set.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 25, 2019, 01:53:55 PM
Quote from: mattdlx on August 24, 2019, 09:16:21 AM
9.125” axle Thunders are indeed coming soon. I am very stoked to give them a go.

Dear God, how many weeks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 25, 2019, 02:14:33 PM
Its never ending... I wonder if these wider Thunders will be any higher?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on August 25, 2019, 03:24:48 PM
Quote from: Beeker on August 25, 2019, 09:44:17 AM
Quote from: whatsreallygood on August 25, 2019, 01:31:06 AM
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Swapped from some ACE 44's to Tensor ATG all terrain geo trucks. Honestly these are the best trucks I've ridden. They don't turn on a dime quite as well as ace but they're way nicer on center when you setup for a trick with narrow footing like hardlfip. Also the magnesium grinds down and gets dings slightly easier, but I don't mind it since you can get stuff like a good crook groove easily. If it becomes a problem I'll probably opt for the regular aluminum version. The turning is great while still being stable, the kingpin clearance is solid and the baseplate prevents the wheels from getting in the way when you do slides. It ticks all the boxes for me, didn't see much about it so figured I'd let people know.
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Great trucks, but despite what people say about them I hate the way they grind. It feels like you are scraping the wax off as you go so they slow down. Switched back to my Krux and my grinds feel SO much better, it just feels like I'm skating a boat anchor. That's another reason I switched back is I don't want to get to used to the weight because I feel like when it gets windy again it's gonna piss me off. If Krux were just a little lighter I'd be set.

Huh interesting, I find the mag tensors grind basically the same as normal trucks so far, with a bit more give on crooks just cause I can form that groove faster. I tried krux but hated the turn personally, the reverse kingpin was great though. You could try the non-magnesium/aluminum ones, that's probably what I'll do if I find it grinds down too fast. I've never noticed weight with trucks, I got the 2nd widest ones though so maybe that's why.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on August 25, 2019, 05:21:02 PM
Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on August 25, 2019, 02:14:33 PM
Its never ending... I wonder if these wider Thunders will be any higher?

You would think. I can't imagine they'll do the forged plates with 9" hangers, but you never know. The whole idea of a 9" truck with Thunder's twitchy ass turning sounds insane to me, but also kind of fun.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 25, 2019, 05:49:07 PM
I love Thunder 151s so these could be insane but wider trucks can often mean easier wheel bite, so hopefully they've tweaked things for a bit for more clearance. Either that or I'll need 1/4" risers....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on August 25, 2019, 06:32:21 PM
Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on August 25, 2019, 05:49:07 PM
I love Thunder 151s so these could be insane but wider trucks can often mean easier wheel bite, so hopefully they've tweaked things for a bit for more clearance. Either that or I'll need 1/4" risers....

I think it's the contrary.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 25, 2019, 07:11:02 PM
Think about the Law of moments. The further from the pivot point, the easier to move the axle closer to the deck.

Wider truck/ deck combo requires risers more often as a result.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on August 25, 2019, 07:27:04 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on August 25, 2019, 06:32:21 PM
Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on August 25, 2019, 05:49:07 PM
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I love Thunder 151s so these could be insane but wider trucks can often mean easier wheel bite, so hopefully they've tweaked things for a bit for more clearance. Either that or I'll need 1/4" risers....
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I think it's the contrary.

Definitely find wider trucks wheelbite earlier.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 25, 2019, 10:38:09 PM
Seems dumb that thunder would ditch the high but drop a 9" truck....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on August 25, 2019, 11:14:39 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 25, 2019, 10:38:09 PM
Seems dumb that thunder would ditch the high but drop a 9" truck....

Did they drop the highs completely or just call them "teams" now? Teams are like 52.5mm which are technically a mid, were the highs taller than that?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boognish on August 25, 2019, 11:35:21 PM
Quote from: whatsreallygood on August 25, 2019, 03:24:48 PM
Quote from: Beeker on August 25, 2019, 09:44:17 AM
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Quote from: whatsreallygood on August 25, 2019, 01:31:06 AM
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Swapped from some ACE 44's to Tensor ATG all terrain geo trucks. Honestly these are the best trucks I've ridden. They don't turn on a dime quite as well as ace but they're way nicer on center when you setup for a trick with narrow footing like hardlfip. Also the magnesium grinds down and gets dings slightly easier, but I don't mind it since you can get stuff like a good crook groove easily. If it becomes a problem I'll probably opt for the regular aluminum version. The turning is great while still being stable, the kingpin clearance is solid and the baseplate prevents the wheels from getting in the way when you do slides. It ticks all the boxes for me, didn't see much about it so figured I'd let people know.
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Great trucks, but despite what people say about them I hate the way they grind. It feels like you are scraping the wax off as you go so they slow down. Switched back to my Krux and my grinds feel SO much better, it just feels like I'm skating a boat anchor. That's another reason I switched back is I don't want to get to used to the weight because I feel like when it gets windy again it's gonna piss me off. If Krux were just a little lighter I'd be set.
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Huh interesting, I find the mag tensors grind basically the same as normal trucks so far, with a bit more give on crooks just cause I can form that groove faster. I tried krux but hated the turn personally, the reverse kingpin was great though. You could try the non-magnesium/aluminum ones, that's probably what I'll do if I find it grinds down too fast. I've never noticed weight with trucks, I got the 2nd widest ones though so maybe that's why.
I’ve been riding the mag tensor atgs for a couple months too, and also dig them. I’m one of the midlife crisis’ers who returned to skating after a decade plus hiatus, so thought I could use whatever lightness advantage I could get to offset the limiting factor of a 20 year old mind being trapped in a 40’s body. I rode Indy’s in my former life, and it’s hard to tell if some of the idiosyncrasies of getting used to these trucks are that or just general sketchiness of being green again.
To me they grind way fast, but I’m mainly skating on metal coping in bowls. At first it was a bit jarring as there was so little resistance, but like anything you adapt.
My only complaint was that I thought their weird recessed top bushing design was making the lean a little unpredictable, so i put in some thunder 90a bushings (swapped the pivot cups as well as the thunder set included some that felt nicer than the stock tensors). I preferred it, but again that could be the placebo effect of justifying the unnecessary expense of urethane. Anyone else been experimenting with different bushings in tensors?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on August 26, 2019, 03:56:34 AM
Quote from: palelight on August 25, 2019, 11:14:39 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 25, 2019, 10:38:09 PM
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Seems dumb that thunder would ditch the high but drop a 9" truck....
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Did they drop the highs completely or just call them "teams" now? Teams are like 52.5mm which are technically a mid, were the highs taller than that?
High and low are 145 and 147 only, 149 and newer 151 and 148 has always just been thunder's version of high.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 26, 2019, 07:24:52 AM
Gotcha. That makes more sense...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not A Damn Chance on August 26, 2019, 06:51:04 PM
Does anyone know the durometer of the bushings in stock thunder 148s?
I bought some super cush 90a bushings and would like to see how they compare, if they are different at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 26, 2019, 07:21:41 PM
Supercush won’t fit Thunder’s I think Steve originally discovered that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not A Damn Chance on August 26, 2019, 07:40:43 PM
Fuck really? These are the ones I got, they are made by thunder.

https://www.tactics.com/thunder/deluxe-supercush-bushing-tube-2-truck-set/orange
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Festivus on August 26, 2019, 07:51:50 PM
Quote from: HateFV on August 26, 2019, 07:40:43 PM
Fuck really? These are the ones I got, they are made by thunder.

https://www.tactics.com/thunder/deluxe-supercush-bushing-tube-2-truck-set/orange

That's an error on Tactics end. those are Deluxe bushings, not thunder. Same distro but definitely not made for those trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not A Damn Chance on August 26, 2019, 08:01:00 PM
Ahhhh fuck, well thanks both for clarifying. I’ll save them for my next pair of trucks.

I thought I was ready for this thread, i’m going to quickly exit.  :-X
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 26, 2019, 08:02:48 PM
I’ve read great things about those Thunder aftermarkets, and their “rebuild kit” ones. Just try those if the stock ones feel too soft.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on August 26, 2019, 09:47:58 PM
Say what u will about longboarders, but they definitely have their shit figured out when it comes to all things bushings...

These seem to be identically shaped to thunder bushings:
https://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=37037
(https://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_37037_venomstreettubeSHR91aLG.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 27, 2019, 01:33:56 AM
Quote from: franquietits on August 26, 2019, 09:47:58 PM
Say what u will about longboarders, but they definitely have their shit figured out when it comes to all things bushings...

These seem to be identically shaped to thunder bushings:
https://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=37037
(https://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_37037_venomstreettubeSHR91aLG.jpg)

Seems legit, probably give it a try

On a side note, does anyone here use risers/shock pads still?

I’m asking for me

I used to ride them all the time because it helps give a somewhat softer feeling pop and actually helps absorb some impact from lands

But what’s your guys experience from pads to no pads

Some say just truck to deck has a better crispier pop and feel but my friend strictly rides his risers and I use to always too but just like flipping wheel graphics in I dropped using risers and recently I got back to them and trying them out and it’s familiar, like I said before it gives the board a softer feeling pop

What really just gets to me is doing slides, cause I like doing nose slides but idk if I’ll have the same baseplate contact if I get back into them, so what’s your slap opinions?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JollyOli on August 27, 2019, 02:17:35 AM
On a side note, does anyone here use risers/shock pads still?

What really just gets to me is doing slides, cause I like doing nose slides but idk if I’ll have the same baseplate contact if I get back into them, so what’s your slap opinions?
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I used to use shock pads and didn't notice too much loss of pop but they did sometime catch and bite in on slides. Currently got 1/8th risers on thunders due to using a krux DL kingpin so need them for clearance. I don't notice any negative issues, the pads are getting a touch worn at the slide contact point but that can only be a good thing. (Thunder 147 Ti hi, 53mm f4s)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 27, 2019, 08:28:20 AM
I skated riser/shock pads a bit.  Namely to make room for some inverted kingpin and I got wheel bite a lot.  I don't think they affected the sound of your board, mine arguably would have made the pop worse because they were the rubber style ones that would deaden any noise.  No rattle=no noise= no pop.  I guess the angle changes pop like that spencer nuzzi clip w. Paul Schmitt
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 27, 2019, 08:33:54 AM
Quote from: rob on August 27, 2019, 01:33:56 AM
Quote from: franquietits on August 26, 2019, 09:47:58 PM
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Say what u will about longboarders, but they definitely have their shit figured out when it comes to all things bushings...

These seem to be identically shaped to thunder bushings:
https://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=37037
(https://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_37037_venomstreettubeSHR91aLG.jpg)
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Seems legit, probably give it a try

On a side note, does anyone here use risers/shock pads still?

I’m asking for me

I used to ride them all the time because it helps give a somewhat softer feeling pop and actually helps absorb some impact from lands

But what’s your guys experience from pads to no pads

Some say just truck to deck has a better crispier pop and feel but my friend strictly rides his risers and I use to always too but just like flipping wheel graphics in I dropped using risers and recently I got back to them and trying them out and it’s familiar, like I said before it gives the board a softer feeling pop

What really just gets to me is doing slides, cause I like doing nose slides but idk if I’ll have the same baseplate contact if I get back into them, so what’s your slap opinions?

I had some correspondence with Venom a while back for this very idea, they don't make anything that matches up with Thunders, they're all too tall.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on August 27, 2019, 10:14:09 AM
The new hollow Indy Low trucks are out

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/stage-11-hollow-silver-silver-low-independent-skateboard-trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on August 27, 2019, 01:04:10 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on August 27, 2019, 10:14:09 AM
The new hollow Indy Low trucks are out

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/stage-11-hollow-silver-silver-low-independent-skateboard-trucks
Truck wars have started.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 27, 2019, 04:38:36 PM
Quote from: rob on August 27, 2019, 01:33:56 AM
Quote from: franquietits on August 26, 2019, 09:47:58 PM
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Say what u will about longboarders, but they definitely have their shit figured out when it comes to all things bushings...

These seem to be identically shaped to thunder bushings:
https://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=37037
(https://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_37037_venomstreettubeSHR91aLG.jpg)
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Seems legit, probably give it a try

On a side note, does anyone here use risers/shock pads still?

I’m asking for me

I used to ride them all the time because it helps give a somewhat softer feeling pop and actually helps absorb some impact from lands

But what’s your guys experience from pads to no pads

Some say just truck to deck has a better crispier pop and feel but my friend strictly rides his risers and I use to always too but just like flipping wheel graphics in I dropped using risers and recently I got back to them and trying them out and it’s familiar, like I said before it gives the board a softer feeling pop

What really just gets to me is doing slides, cause I like doing nose slides but idk if I’ll have the same baseplate contact if I get back into them, so what’s your slap opinions?

Currently running a 1/8 Indy shock pad (hard rubber, against the board) and a 1/8 Indy riser (hard plastic, against the truck). I recently got a set of 60mm wheels and the shock pads were the only other risers I had, so I just put them in there and have been running with it.

It definitely hasn't had a negative effect on my noseslides. The plastic one sticks out a hair further and I still get that nice baseplate contact feeling. I've heard of people cutting a bit off the end of the shock pad, but I haven't found it necessary. The pop still feels fine to me too.

The only weird thing is how much higher it is than I am used to (55mm w/ either a 1/8 or no risers), which oddly makes the wheelbase feel shorter than it is...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 27, 2019, 05:22:50 PM
As far as risers go, get the ones with the oval shaped holes so you can move their position, eliminating nose and tail slide catches... Bones make some.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FROTHY on August 27, 2019, 05:36:05 PM
There’s a huge ad at the top of my screen for 8.75” Venture highs. Sounds nice. I’ve been riding indy’s for a while but I have a couple setups and wouldn’t mind trying another truck. It’s between venture and ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 27, 2019, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: Idk on August 27, 2019, 01:04:10 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on August 27, 2019, 10:14:09 AM
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The new hollow Indy Low trucks are out

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/stage-11-hollow-silver-silver-low-independent-skateboard-trucks
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Truck wars have started.

When will they come out with an 8.125 mid...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on August 27, 2019, 07:30:31 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 27, 2019, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: Idk on August 27, 2019, 01:04:10 PM
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Quote from: BMCsteve on August 27, 2019, 10:14:09 AM
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The new hollow Indy Low trucks are out

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/stage-11-hollow-silver-silver-low-independent-skateboard-trucks
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Truck wars have started.
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When will they come out with an 8.125 mid...

I was gonna say anything low over 8," don't know why it's such a no-no.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 27, 2019, 07:37:37 PM
Wheel bite. Really trucks could get higher as they get wider...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 27, 2019, 07:39:34 PM
All I'm asking for is for trucks to get more medium....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on August 27, 2019, 08:00:35 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 27, 2019, 07:39:34 PM
All I'm asking for is for trucks to get more medium....

I guess that's what I want too. I just consider everything either low (47-51mm) or high (52-55mm).

Something 8.25" + at around 50mm would be nice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on August 27, 2019, 09:00:16 PM
Quote from: Beeker on August 27, 2019, 08:00:35 PM
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All I'm asking for is for trucks to get more medium....
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I guess that's what I want too. I just consider everything either low (47-51mm) or high (52-55mm).

Something 8.25" + at around 50mm would be nice.

8.25+ Thunders are pretty middle of the road in height. You can subtract a mm or so by going with forged. Anyone have trustworthy current Thunder height measurements?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 27, 2019, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 27, 2019, 07:39:34 PM
All I'm asking for is for trucks to get more medium....

Yeah me too, like a stage 10 Indy height and sorta style and feel but some stage 11 turn-ability

Man I need to see these new Indy lows!! Why did they use the old stock standard lows??
 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 27, 2019, 10:17:58 PM
There should be a Mindy...

I skate thunder team hollows or titaniums 148's and they are awesome...I'm more or less just trolling...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on August 28, 2019, 12:01:22 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 27, 2019, 10:17:58 PM
There should be a Mindy...

I skate thunder team hollows or titaniums 148's and they are awesome...I'm more or less just trolling...

Keep a look out they’re gonna steal that and post it on their Instagram

The new ”mindy” in between a standard and low for the best of both worlds

Yeah I was doing the thunder 148 for a bit but I’m a kook and want my board a little lighter so I went from my ti 148 to some old ti 147

So far it’s working but I kinda miss the stability and height of the titanium 148

Might go back now

Was loving the heck out of my royal 5.25 standards buttttt the grind clearance is horrid and idk if I’m willing to go for the unstable inverted pin, it’s one of the reasons I lost my love for the krux lows

Any inverted style kingpin I tried doesn’t feel stable, it gives a weird response to the turn

It feels like the whole pin shifts at an slight angle before the hangar can lean and turn

If the royals had better regular kingpin clearance I’d definitely be riding those for a good few months

They’re just what me and mike Carroll wanted

A quick pop response, just like he said

When you setup a board that’s what you want right a way, a good quick pop response and especially for me a person who moves too instantaneously

Had problems with my tre flips for a while cause I would pop and scoop and flick all at once and expect a good fast tre, then my friend who was spectating told me not to pop and scoop so fast and low and behold

Got those 360 flips back, just had to adjust my back foots instant scoop action

Back to the point, royals work for those who want a quick action

They’re like thunders but more stable so you don’t have as much quick decent turn and grind clearance, but you have easier Ollie’s and flip tricks and they turn better than ventures and don’t extend your wheel base

They’re almost like an Indy that is trying to be a thunder

Similar Indy geo but thunder height and response
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on August 28, 2019, 12:21:07 PM
Quote from: Beeker on August 27, 2019, 07:30:31 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 27, 2019, 07:02:09 PM
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Quote from: Idk on August 27, 2019, 01:04:10 PM
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Quote from: BMCsteve on August 27, 2019, 10:14:09 AM
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The new hollow Indy Low trucks are out

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/stage-11-hollow-silver-silver-low-independent-skateboard-trucks
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Truck wars have started.
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When will they come out with an 8.125 mid...
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I was gonna say anything low over 8," don't know why it's such a no-no.

Mini Logo. Low 8.38 and 8.75.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on August 28, 2019, 01:01:51 PM
Quote from: backinaction on August 28, 2019, 12:21:07 PM
Quote from: Beeker on August 27, 2019, 07:30:31 PM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on August 27, 2019, 07:02:09 PM
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Quote from: Idk on August 27, 2019, 01:04:10 PM
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Quote from: BMCsteve on August 27, 2019, 10:14:09 AM
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The new hollow Indy Low trucks are out

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/stage-11-hollow-silver-silver-low-independent-skateboard-trucks
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Truck wars have started.
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When will they come out with an 8.125 mid...
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I was gonna say anything low over 8," don't know why it's such a no-no.
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Mini Logo. Low 8.38 and 8.75.

It`s so weird that it is impossible to get an low 8+ to 8.25 truck.
Now Indy has a chance, since Venture screwed up. Please do one.
I skate venture 5,2 low, Thunder 147 or 148forged(quite low), or Mini logo.
Of course Mini Logo could do one too. 8,125-8,2,,, or something, and re design the baseplate a bit :)
There is Theeve too, with 8,19 axle and something like 51mm height. But they are so hard to get where i live.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on August 28, 2019, 03:55:09 PM
Quote from: ultrabra on August 28, 2019, 01:01:51 PM
Quote from: backinaction on August 28, 2019, 12:21:07 PM
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Quote from: Beeker on August 27, 2019, 07:30:31 PM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on August 27, 2019, 07:02:09 PM
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Quote from: Idk on August 27, 2019, 01:04:10 PM
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Quote from: BMCsteve on August 27, 2019, 10:14:09 AM
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The new hollow Indy Low trucks are out

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/stage-11-hollow-silver-silver-low-independent-skateboard-trucks
[close]
Truck wars have started.
[close]

When will they come out with an 8.125 mid...
[close]

I was gonna say anything low over 8," don't know why it's such a no-no.
[close]

Mini Logo. Low 8.38 and 8.75.
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It`s so weird that it is impossible to get an low 8+ to 8.25 truck.
Now Indy has a chance, since Venture screwed up. Please do one.
I skate venture 5,2 low, Thunder 147 or 148forged(quite low), or Mini logo.
Of course Mini Logo could do one too. 8,125-8,2,,, or something, and re design the baseplate a bit :)
There is Theeve too, with 8,19 axle and something like 51mm height. But they are so hard to get where i live.
Theeves are fucking great! I'm skating destructo d1 mag now, don't know how high they are, but I'm super happy with them. First time ever I really had  trouble breaking trucks in though. I've skated a lot of different trucks the last few years, I'll try anything, but for some reason I just can't skate indys. I was convinced I wanted mid/lower trucks so I haven't tried a pair myself since they made stage 11. When I've tried them on friends board I always ghost pop nollie flips and they just don't feel right.

I have tried, and liked:
thunder 147 hi light/hollow, used to be my go to.
theeve 5.5 tiax/tiking
mini logo 8.0
royal 5.25 mid
venture 5.2 high
tensor tens maglight 5.5
krux forged 8.25
destructo d1 mag 5.5

I also set up  pair of thunder 149 hollows on a big board and had one of the best days of all indoor season on it first session.
Quote from: bbk on February 23, 2019, 02:36:44 AM
Regular set up:
Sweet Ali Boulala collab 8,125
Destructo d1 mag 5,5
F4 52 mm 99a classic
Swiss 6
diamond
mob

Was given this shaped deck at an event and set it up, I've always skated 8.0-8.1 with 8.0-8.25 trucks but I ripped the shit out of this one first session.
Sweet 8,8
Thunder hollow lights 149
Gold 51 mm Kalis
Bronson raw
shake junt
cheetah print Eli Reed grizzly

(https://i.postimg.cc/d1gZdYTS/20190223-111319.jpg)
But yeah, fuck indy and their high ass truck.

Edit: Also tried a pair I didn't like, krux forged hollow downlow 8.0, those truck didn't steer for shit. Like I could make them turn, but small adjustments while riding up to the ledge wasn't working.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 28, 2019, 05:33:08 PM
Quote from: franquietits on August 26, 2019, 09:47:58 PM
Say what u will about longboarders, but they definitely have their shit figured out when it comes to all things bushings...

These seem to be identically shaped to thunder bushings:
https://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=37037
(https://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_37037_venomstreettubeSHR91aLG.jpg)

Dude I literally just got those exact bushings today haha. They are indeed identical to Thunders, I put them in a set of 147 raws and they're great. They're a little bit of a more matte surface, almost like they're more porous or something, and feel a bit firmer to the touch. Granted I've only got about an hour on them and they may change but right out of the box they've got a very steady and predictable lean to them that works very nicely with the quick response that Thunders have. A bit pricey but if they stay this way they will be my new go-to for 3rd party cones. Now that I've tried the venoms and they were so nice I kind of want to try one of those fancy Riptide PU formulas out.

Also, Xen's incessant shilling for Theeve finally got to me and I ordered a pair. Got the Ti-Ax 5.5 raw, put them on a brand new Pennswood Scumco Logo 8.25. I'm trying really, really hard not to ride it yet because I'm making a concerted effort to stick with one setup for more than a week in an effort to improve my consistency but goddamn it's really hard. I might have to sneak out and take it for a cruise to get coffee in the morning. If anyone wants a good deal on them this place has them for $28, as well as some good deals on other "traditional kingpin trucks" as the longboarders say. It's legit and the shipping was relatively fast, got them in 4 business days. Free shipping @ $50 so grab 2 pairs or some fancy bushings.

https://www.thelongboardstore.com/categories/trucks.html


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Hash Slinging Slasher on August 28, 2019, 05:53:10 PM
anybody care to give a comparison between ventures and thunders? do thunders extend the wheelbase a similar amount to ventures?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 28, 2019, 05:57:14 PM
Those theeve’s are the V2’s which had bad quality control and the whole bushing seat problem they fixed with the V3’s. I almost pulled the trigger on those sale ones but Steve said avoid at all costs and he would never steer us wrong.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on August 28, 2019, 07:39:25 PM
Quote from: Hash Slinging Slasher on August 28, 2019, 05:53:10 PM
anybody care to give a comparison between ventures and thunders? do thunders extend the wheelbase a similar amount to ventures?

Thunders extend it but not by as much as Venture. Ventures extend by about 1/8" per truck, slightly more.  Ventures wobble more at the top and don't turn as sharp nor as deep. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on August 29, 2019, 03:50:57 AM
Quote from: Hash Slinging Slasher on August 28, 2019, 05:53:10 PM
anybody care to give a comparison between ventures and thunders? do thunders extend the wheelbase a similar amount to ventures?

Thunders definitely turn deeper, quicker and sharper but are a little twitchier and generally feel more responsive. Ventures (idk about the lows) have way more kingpin clearance and feel a little more stable to me. Ventures also don't seem to wheelbite as much and the baseplate slides on the side of the ledge for noseslides and tailslides as opposed to the wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on August 29, 2019, 04:12:06 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on August 28, 2019, 05:33:08 PM
Quote from: franquietits on August 26, 2019, 09:47:58 PM
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Say what u will about longboarders, but they definitely have their shit figured out when it comes to all things bushings...

These seem to be identically shaped to thunder bushings:
https://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=37037
(https://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_37037_venomstreettubeSHR91aLG.jpg)
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Dude I literally just got those exact bushings today haha. They are indeed identical to Thunders, I put them in a set of 147 raws and they're great. They're a little bit of a more matte surface, almost like they're more porous or something, and feel a bit firmer to the touch. Granted I've only got about an hour on them and they may change but right out of the box they've got a very steady and predictable lean to them that works very nicely with the quick response that Thunders have. A bit pricey but if they stay this way they will be my new go-to for 3rd party cones. Now that I've tried the venoms and they were so nice I kind of want to try one of those fancy Riptide PU formulas out.

Also, Xen's incessant shilling for Theeve finally got to me and I ordered a pair. Got the Ti-Ax 5.5 raw, put them on a brand new Pennswood Scumco Logo 8.25. I'm trying really, really hard not to ride it yet because I'm making a concerted effort to stick with one setup for more than a week in an effort to improve my consistency but goddamn it's really hard. I might have to sneak out and take it for a cruise to get coffee in the morning. If anyone wants a good deal on them this place has them for $28, as well as some good deals on other "traditional kingpin trucks" as the longboarders say. It's legit and the shipping was relatively fast, got them in 4 business days. Free shipping @ $50 so grab 2 pairs or some fancy bushings.

https://www.thelongboardstore.com/categories/trucks.html

Fuck yeah, thanks for sharing. I knew they looked pretty similar gauging from the eye test. This should free up more options for thunder users! That brand carries about 14 options, not to mention that they have other boardside bushings that look compatible for shortboards, as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 29, 2019, 04:45:51 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 28, 2019, 05:57:14 PM
Those theeve’s are the V2’s which had bad quality control and the whole bushing seat problem they fixed with the V3’s. I almost pulled the trigger on those sale ones but Steve said avoid at all costs and he would never steer us wrong.

What's the bushing seat issue? I don't see any superficial issues with the ones I got - casting looks good, no missing/extra metal anywhere, trucks weigh the same etc but I'm not very familiar with theeve and I don't know what to look for. The only thing I noticed was that the bones bushings are yellowed on the side that faced outward so they must have been sitting for a while.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on August 29, 2019, 06:43:24 AM
this thread got so boring, i think it cured my truck ocd
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Quique on August 29, 2019, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on August 29, 2019, 04:45:51 AM
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Those theeve’s are the V2’s which had bad quality control and the whole bushing seat problem they fixed with the V3’s. I almost pulled the trigger on those sale ones but Steve said avoid at all costs and he would never steer us wrong.
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What's the bushing seat issue? I don't see any superficial issues with the ones I got - casting looks good, no missing/extra metal anywhere, trucks weigh the same etc but I'm not very familiar with theeve and I don't know what to look for. The only thing I noticed was that the bones bushings are yellowed on the side that faced outward so they must have been sitting for a while.

There was this page i don't remember exactly that showed the issue with v2's. The kingpin wasn't centered on the oval yoke of the hanger, so the bottom bushing would get extra pressure from one side, eventually popping out of the seat. You could check by putting the hangar on the baseplate without the bottom bushing, if it''s centered it's fine, if not you got the bad ones. They said solution was changing pivot cups to harder ones, like khiro.

I have a pair of v2 tiax, one truck fine one fucked. Just don't tighten too much and you will be fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on August 29, 2019, 09:30:05 AM
Quote from: jtrpma on August 29, 2019, 06:43:24 AM
this thread got so boring, i think it cured my truck ocd
true, thunders and ventures are mediocre and uninteresting in just about every way imaginable. also people being so unsure of themselves that they ask randos online if they should use products they've already purchased...lol. and the repeating of the same topics and  information over and over and over again...really puts into perspective how gay this whole thing is and it makes me want to buy new indys just to skate them completely stock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 29, 2019, 09:31:37 AM
Quote from: I AM on August 29, 2019, 09:30:05 AM
how gay

You're stuck in the 90s anyway.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on August 29, 2019, 09:41:13 AM
Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on August 29, 2019, 09:31:37 AM
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how gay
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You're stuck in the 90s anyway.
i wasn't alive in the 90s, but i bet you were. imagine thinking that following the trends and mimicking the currently accepted social behaviors is anything but lame and gay. you'd have to be an old, decrepit, out of touch boomer to think that...lol.
Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on August 29, 2019, 09:31:37 AM
anyway.
also, what is this referring to? my opinion on trucks? did nobody fuck with their trucks in the 90s?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on August 29, 2019, 10:01:38 AM
I can sum up the 90's and early 2000's fairly easily, at least from where I grew up:

Indy's were for hesh dawgs, pool skaters, dudes who skated "big" shit.

Most peoples in the Bay skated Venture low's. A few randoms skated Thunders. In my crew Indy's were heavy and fore the skatepark kids. You didn't see dudes down at Pier 7 on them often.  You did what these dudes did.

Eventually more people realized Indy's were fine and not that much heavier. Thunder got a bigger presence. There was 1 kid who always had some other brand- Royal, Tensor, etc. That was often me because I rarely had a chance to go to the skateshop so when I got taken to get a complete I got whatever was there, which was often jack shit. I would then trade these trucks plus lunch money for Ventures.

This story probably isn't true for anywhere else.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HyenaChaser on August 29, 2019, 11:25:02 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on August 29, 2019, 10:01:38 AM
I can sum up the 90's and early 2000's fairly easily, at least from where I grew up:

Indy's were for hesh dawgs, pool skaters, dudes who skated "big" shit.

Most peoples in the Bay skated Venture low's. A few randoms skated Thunders. In my crew Indy's were heavy and fore the skatepark kids. You didn't see dudes down at Pier 7 on them often.  You did what these dudes did.

Eventually more people realized Indy's were fine and not that much heavier. Thunder got a bigger presence. There was 1 kid who always had some other brand- Royal, Tensor, etc. That was often me because I rarely had a chance to go to the skateshop so when I got taken to get a complete I got whatever was there, which was often jack shit. I would then trade these trucks plus lunch money for Ventures.

This story probably isn't true for anywhere else.

Nah pretty accurate to my upbringing, and I was on the west coast but not California
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jerrygurneyscream on August 29, 2019, 11:36:31 AM
Grind king trucks with everything on them

shout out satoshi for the box
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 29, 2019, 12:01:01 PM
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how gay
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You're stuck in the 90s anyway.
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i wasn't alive in the 90s, but i bet you were. imagine thinking that following the trends and mimicking the currently accepted social behaviors is anything but lame and gay. you'd have to be an old, decrepit, out of touch boomer to think that...lol.
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anyway.
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also, what is this referring to? my opinion on trucks? did nobody fuck with their trucks in the 90s?

I'm definitely old

and you are definitely

a total fucking Kook.

I was referring to your dated terminology. Get the fuck out of here with your homophobic bullshit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on August 29, 2019, 02:32:15 PM
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how gay
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You're stuck in the 90s anyway.
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i wasn't alive in the 90s, but i bet you were. imagine thinking that following the trends and mimicking the currently accepted social behaviors is anything but lame and gay. you'd have to be an old, decrepit, out of touch boomer to think that...lol.
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anyway.
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also, what is this referring to? my opinion on trucks? did nobody fuck with their trucks in the 90s?

Dude you had a fair point about topics getting regurgitated ad nauseam in this thread, and wanting to say 'fuck it' and ride stock, but Tea Drinker is right, slurs are whack. They got no business here.

Also, have to be that guy - boomers refer to people born after WWII. I'm 30, was alive in the 90s, and society at large considers me a millennial. None of that is mutually exclusive to knowing casual homophobia is dogshit, especially as a rationale for protesting trends. Tighten your shit up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Reese on August 29, 2019, 04:28:46 PM
Me in the corner still pissed off at my 169's leaning to the right for a month now
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3469/3214798830_b1bac444aa_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on August 29, 2019, 04:32:12 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on August 28, 2019, 05:33:08 PM
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Say what u will about longboarders, but they definitely have their shit figured out when it comes to all things bushings...

These seem to be identically shaped to thunder bushings:
https://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=37037
(https://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_37037_venomstreettubeSHR91aLG.jpg)
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Dude I literally just got those exact bushings today haha. They are indeed identical to Thunders, I put them in a set of 147 raws and they're great. They're a little bit of a more matte surface, almost like they're more porous or something, and feel a bit firmer to the touch. Granted I've only got about an hour on them and they may change but right out of the box they've got a very steady and predictable lean to them that works very nicely with the quick response that Thunders have. A bit pricey but if they stay this way they will be my new go-to for 3rd party cones. Now that I've tried the venoms and they were so nice I kind of want to try one of those fancy Riptide PU formulas out.

Also, Xen's incessant shilling for Theeve finally got to me and I ordered a pair. Got the Ti-Ax 5.5 raw, put them on a brand new Pennswood Scumco Logo 8.25. I'm trying really, really hard not to ride it yet because I'm making a concerted effort to stick with one setup for more than a week in an effort to improve my consistency but goddamn it's really hard. I might have to sneak out and take it for a cruise to get coffee in the morning. If anyone wants a good deal on them this place has them for $28, as well as some good deals on other "traditional kingpin trucks" as the longboarders say. It's legit and the shipping was relatively fast, got them in 4 business days. Free shipping @ $50 so grab 2 pairs or some fancy bushings.

https://www.thelongboardstore.com/categories/trucks.html

The guy is a mile from my house. He used to have a physical store in town and is now running out of his garage. I stopped in a couple weeks ago to get some Ace 22s and some mini logo wheels. He also has a bunch of F4 classic 101s in a box that aren’t on the site.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on August 29, 2019, 05:54:02 PM
Quote from: I AM on August 29, 2019, 09:30:05 AM
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this thread got so boring, i think it cured my truck ocd
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true, thunders and ventures are mediocre and uninteresting in just about every way imaginable. also people being so unsure of themselves that they ask randos online if they should use products they've already purchased...lol. and the repeating of the same topics and  information over and over and over again...really puts into perspective how gay this whole thing is and it makes me want to buy new indys just to skate them completely stock.

Cool story bro. Why don’t you get the fuck out the thread and go skate some stock Indy’s to spite us then?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 30, 2019, 02:09:40 AM
Quote from: kike on August 29, 2019, 08:49:57 AM
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Quote from: Diocletian on August 28, 2019, 05:57:14 PM
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Those theeve’s are the V2’s which had bad quality control and the whole bushing seat problem they fixed with the V3’s. I almost pulled the trigger on those sale ones but Steve said avoid at all costs and he would never steer us wrong.
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What's the bushing seat issue? I don't see any superficial issues with the ones I got - casting looks good, no missing/extra metal anywhere, trucks weigh the same etc but I'm not very familiar with theeve and I don't know what to look for. The only thing I noticed was that the bones bushings are yellowed on the side that faced outward so they must have been sitting for a while.
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There was this page i don't remember exactly that showed the issue with v2's. The kingpin wasn't centered on the oval yoke of the hanger, so the bottom bushing would get extra pressure from one side, eventually popping out of the seat. You could check by putting the hangar on the baseplate without the bottom bushing, if it''s centered it's fine, if not you got the bad ones. They said solution was changing pivot cups to harder ones, like khiro.

I have a pair of v2 tiax, one truck fine one fucked. Just don't tighten too much and you will be fine.

It looks like mine are ok, but do you think I should pop harder cups in anyways just to be safe? It does look like theres two different cups in them, one sticks up a bit further than the other. I took them for a spin and to be honest I'm not crazy about them so far but it was a very limited trial.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on August 30, 2019, 04:28:41 AM
Quote from: Reese on August 29, 2019, 04:28:46 PM
Me in the corner still pissed off at my 169's leaning to the right for a month now
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3469/3214798830_b1bac444aa_b.jpg)

did you skate them loose for a few sessions to break in the bushings and are they exceptionally tight now?  One thing you can do is loosen the trucks, turn the bushings 90 degrees (1/4 turn around) and then skate them.  This will help set the rebound.

That being said, if you have them cranked down nothing will help
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on August 30, 2019, 05:19:27 AM
Quote from: Reese on August 29, 2019, 04:28:46 PM
Me in the corner still pissed off at my 169's leaning to the right for a month now
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3469/3214798830_b1bac444aa_b.jpg)

Do you notice it when you're skating? My Ace 44's have a noticeable tilt to the right (mostly the front truck), but once I'm on the board I can't tell and I forget about it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on August 30, 2019, 05:23:30 AM
damn when did skaters become such boring, average, dumbass faggots? lol. “boomer” refers to the zoomer/boomer meme, which really just goes to show how out of touch and old you are, meaning YOU are the one who is dated, not my terminology. and why do you care about the gays so much? are you gay? or are you just conforming to current societal norms? because ill bet fucking money that you two fucks said shit was “gay” all the fucking time back then.
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on August 29, 2019, 05:54:02 PM
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this thread got so boring, i think it cured my truck ocd
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true, thunders and ventures are mediocre and uninteresting in just about every way imaginable. also people being so unsure of themselves that they ask randos online if they should use products they've already purchased...lol. and the repeating of the same topics and  information over and over and over again...really puts into perspective how gay this whole thing is and it makes me want to buy new indys just to skate them completely stock.
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Cool story bro. Why don’t you get the fuck out the thread and go skate some stock Indy’s to spite us then?
Cool story bro. Why don't you get the fuck out the thread because you're boring ass posts are shitting up the whole place?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Reese on August 30, 2019, 06:40:39 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on August 30, 2019, 04:28:41 AM
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Me in the corner still pissed off at my 169's leaning to the right for a month now

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did you skate them loose for a few sessions to break in the bushings and are they exceptionally tight now?  One thing you can do is loosen the trucks, turn the bushings 90 degrees (1/4 turn around) and then skate them.  This will help set the rebound.

Rode them flush for a little on 52's, not as long as usual though. Right now they are barely 2 threads deep because I'm trying risers and 60's

Good call on rotating the bushing. Just wanted to give it time to ride out if it was ever going to

Pivot cups as well

Quote from: palelight on August 30, 2019, 05:19:27 AM
Do you notice it when you're skating? My Ace 44's have a noticeable tilt to the right (mostly the front truck), but once I'm on the board I can't tell and I forget about it.

I notice the right bias when I come back down a big qp sketchy

When I land heavy/sloppy maxing out the lean on that side it just sticks when I step off the board

*66's on the way tho
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 30, 2019, 07:54:33 AM
Quote from: I AM on August 30, 2019, 05:23:30 AM
damn when did skaters become such boring, average, dumbass faggots? lol. “boomer” refers to the zoomer/boomer meme, which really just goes to show how out of touch and old you are, meaning YOU are the one who is dated, not my terminology. and why do you care about the gays so much? are you gay? or are you just conforming to current societal norms? because ill bet fucking money that you two fucks said shit was “gay” all the fucking time back then.
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this thread got so boring, i think it cured my truck ocd
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true, thunders and ventures are mediocre and uninteresting in just about every way imaginable. also people being so unsure of themselves that they ask randos online if they should use products they've already purchased...lol. and the repeating of the same topics and  information over and over and over again...really puts into perspective how gay this whole thing is and it makes me want to buy new indys just to skate them completely stock.
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Cool story bro. Why don’t you get the fuck out the thread and go skate some stock Indy’s to spite us then?
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Cool story bro. Why don't you get the fuck out the thread because you're boring ass posts are shitting up the whole place?

Homophobic slurs were abundant in skateboarding in the 90s but now people seem to be more onboard calling out wankers  like you, which is an improvement. Wasn't cool with me then, isn't cool with me now. I can spell out the reasons if you're really interested why but I doubt it.

I am dated and loving it but I really don't hear any kids using the term 'gay' to voice disapproval at something in this day and age.  So yes, you are using outdated unacceptable language or living in some redneck bubble.  Shit, will catch up to you soon.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on August 30, 2019, 08:28:42 AM
Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on August 30, 2019, 07:54:33 AM
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damn when did skaters become such boring, average, dumbass faggots? lol. “boomer” refers to the zoomer/boomer meme, which really just goes to show how out of touch and old you are, meaning YOU are the one who is dated, not my terminology. and why do you care about the gays so much? are you gay? or are you just conforming to current societal norms? because ill bet fucking money that you two fucks said shit was “gay” all the fucking time back then.
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this thread got so boring, i think it cured my truck ocd
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true, thunders and ventures are mediocre and uninteresting in just about every way imaginable. also people being so unsure of themselves that they ask randos online if they should use products they've already purchased...lol. and the repeating of the same topics and  information over and over and over again...really puts into perspective how gay this whole thing is and it makes me want to buy new indys just to skate them completely stock.
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Cool story bro. Why don’t you get the fuck out the thread and go skate some stock Indy’s to spite us then?
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Cool story bro. Why don't you get the fuck out the thread because you're boring ass posts are shitting up the whole place?
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but now people seem to be more onboard

I really don't hear any kids using the term 'gay' to voice disapproval at something in this day and age.
you're literally just proving my point, while also proving that you don't really understand mine.
Quote from: Serious Tea Drinker on August 30, 2019, 07:54:33 AM
shit will catch up to you soon.
is that a threat? you know whats worse than using a “homophobic slur” when you're not even saying it to anyone in particular? making non ironic thinly veiled threats at people. what if i was gay huh? wouldn't you be wishing death upon a member of the lgbtq? isn't that worse than anything i ever did? you don't know me...i might suck your fucking dick. and why do you think karma or god or whatever will be on your side? are you banking on the government killing everyone who has ever used the word “gay” as an insult? isn't that facist as fuck? lol.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on August 30, 2019, 08:37:28 AM
soooooooo....how about them pivot cups.  Am i right?!?!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 30, 2019, 08:40:54 AM
Quote from: I AM on August 30, 2019, 08:28:42 AM
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damn when did skaters become such boring, average, dumbass faggots? lol. “boomer” refers to the zoomer/boomer meme, which really just goes to show how out of touch and old you are, meaning YOU are the one who is dated, not my terminology. and why do you care about the gays so much? are you gay? or are you just conforming to current societal norms? because ill bet fucking money that you two fucks said shit was “gay” all the fucking time back then.
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this thread got so boring, i think it cured my truck ocd
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true, thunders and ventures are mediocre and uninteresting in just about every way imaginable. also people being so unsure of themselves that they ask randos online if they should use products they've already purchased...lol. and the repeating of the same topics and  information over and over and over again...really puts into perspective how gay this whole thing is and it makes me want to buy new indys just to skate them completely stock.
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Cool story bro. Why don’t you get the fuck out the thread and go skate some stock Indy’s to spite us then?
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Cool story bro. Why don't you get the fuck out the thread because you're boring ass posts are shitting up the whole place?
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but now people seem to be more onboard

I really don't hear any kids using the term 'gay' to voice disapproval at something in this day and age.
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you're literally just proving my point, while also proving that you don't really understand mine.
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shit will catch up to you soon.
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is that a threat? you know whats worse than using a “homophobic slur” when you're not even saying it to anyone in particular? making non ironic thinly veiled threats at people. what if i was gay huh? wouldn't you be wishing death upon a member of the lgbtq? isn't that worse than anything i ever did? you don't know me...i might suck your fucking dick. and why do you think karma or god or whatever will be on your side? are you banking on the government killing everyone who has ever used the word “gay” as an insult? isn't that facist as fuck? lol.

Are you threatened? See you in the PMs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on August 30, 2019, 09:04:15 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on August 30, 2019, 04:28:41 AM
Quote from: Reese on August 29, 2019, 04:28:46 PM
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Me in the corner still pissed off at my 169's leaning to the right for a month now
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3469/3214798830_b1bac444aa_b.jpg)
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did you skate them loose for a few sessions to break in the bushings and are they exceptionally tight now?  One thing you can do is loosen the trucks, turn the bushings 90 degrees (1/4 turn around) and then skate them.  This will help set the rebound.

That being said, if you have them cranked down nothing will help

Was going to say something similar, but I like the sound the sound of the turning ye bushings to change the position! Haven’t heard that one.
 All of the other stuff is bang on: loose as possible for a few days, gradually tighten. If you like Tony Hawk tight, make sure to get bushings that are super hard. And I’d still break em in for a little before cranking them down. I used to do this ALL the time when getting a new setup. And then just be bummed (just crank the bushings down), always break bushings, or push them over the edge of the washers. After getting older and way worse I got into just riding around more, so I’ll go out and just push around not really try much, helps everything get settled.
 I want to NOT tight truck shame here. I think the loose loose loose trucks thing is fun/funny, but can be very wack. I could Ollie way better with tight trucks. Some folks with tight trucks look awesome (Andrew Reynolds), and some folks look less cool when they loosen they shit up (Chris Joslin is by no means my favorite skater, but his footage on venture lows, which I’m assuming had to be pretty tight, looks way better to me than when he switched to Indy)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HyenaChaser on August 30, 2019, 11:18:33 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on August 30, 2019, 08:37:28 AM
soooooooo....how about them pivot cups.  Am i right?!?!

Tell me about it! Ugh, amiright?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on August 30, 2019, 11:51:41 AM
Quote from: Reese on August 30, 2019, 06:40:39 AM
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Do you notice it when you're skating? My Ace 44's have a noticeable tilt to the right (mostly the front truck), but once I'm on the board I can't tell and I forget about it.
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I notice the right bias when I come back down a big qp sketchy

When I land heavy/sloppy maxing out the lean on that side it just sticks when I step off the board

*66's on the way tho

Ahh, understood. No big transition in my game, whatsoever.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Quique on August 30, 2019, 02:33:34 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on August 30, 2019, 02:09:40 AM
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Those theeve’s are the V2’s which had bad quality control and the whole bushing seat problem they fixed with the V3’s. I almost pulled the trigger on those sale ones but Steve said avoid at all costs and he would never steer us wrong.
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What's the bushing seat issue? I don't see any superficial issues with the ones I got - casting looks good, no missing/extra metal anywhere, trucks weigh the same etc but I'm not very familiar with theeve and I don't know what to look for. The only thing I noticed was that the bones bushings are yellowed on the side that faced outward so they must have been sitting for a while.
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There was this page i don't remember exactly that showed the issue with v2's. The kingpin wasn't centered on the oval yoke of the hanger, so the bottom bushing would get extra pressure from one side, eventually popping out of the seat. You could check by putting the hangar on the baseplate without the bottom bushing, if it''s centered it's fine, if not you got the bad ones. They said solution was changing pivot cups to harder ones, like khiro.

I have a pair of v2 tiax, one truck fine one fucked. Just don't tighten too much and you will be fine.
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It looks like mine are ok, but do you think I should pop harder cups in anyways just to be safe? It does look like theres two different cups in them, one sticks up a bit further than the other. I took them for a spin and to be honest I'm not crazy about them so far but it was a very limited trial.

No, if they are fine ride stock. You should give them some time, they turn a bit different than most trucks. Stable in center but turny as an indy if you lean. I would ride nothing else if i could find some 5.85 where i live.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on August 30, 2019, 05:14:39 PM
Anyone have any experience with changing the kingpin in these tensor ATG’s. Snapped mine and it’s a total bitch to get out and I’m not having much luck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 30, 2019, 05:15:14 PM
Quote from: kike on August 30, 2019, 02:33:34 PM
No, if they are fine ride stock. You should give them some time, they turn a bit different than most trucks. Stable in center but turny as an indy if you lean. I would ride nothing else if i could find some 5.85 where i live.

Yeah I rode them a bit more today and started to acclimate a bit. Unfortunately, before that I bombed a small hill and wobbled out... was able to stay on my feet and run it out but tweaked something in the ankle I wrecked in the military. Luckily nothing serious, but I'm taking it easy for a few days.  I moved them over to my DOA deck because I want to investigate this deck more and also because the flatter concave is a little more comfortable on the ankle when I'm pushing and I dont know if it was that or just more time with them or both but they feel better. I'm still curious and undecided but they're definitely a little weird. I did swap the bones mediums that they came with for a broken in pair that I had but other than that I didn't change anything. Thanks for the advice Kike.

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Did you see this from his Instagram story the other day.  Those are the Yellow Indy 'Super Hard' 96 bushings.  And maybe three threads showing on the back.
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Post by: ArtVandelay on August 31, 2019, 01:32:21 AM
Walking into the truck set-up thread is like walking into a Trekkie Convention.
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Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 31, 2019, 09:37:53 AM
Thunder 161s 9.125" Axle coming end of Sept according the Thunder Insta.
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Post by: ultrabra on August 31, 2019, 01:48:09 PM
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Walking into the truck set-up thread is like walking into a Trekkie Convention.

Yesss.....please.....more.......awesome ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on September 01, 2019, 04:03:05 AM
Has anyone actually seen the venture 5.6 v-lights for sale anywhere? They were in the summer catalog that came out months ago but I haven't been able to find them anywhere.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HyenaChaser on September 01, 2019, 07:13:33 AM
Quote from: ArtVandelay on August 31, 2019, 01:32:21 AM
Walking into the truck set-up thread is like walking into a Trekkie Convention.

A Truckie Convention
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whenyousleep on September 01, 2019, 11:07:26 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on September 01, 2019, 04:03:05 AM
Has anyone actually seen the venture 5.6 v-lights for sale anywhere? They were in the summer catalog that came out months ago but I haven't been able to find them anywhere.

If you don't mind buying online, I just got a set from SoCal Skateshop off their website. It was the only place I could find them.
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Post by: Sativa Lung on September 01, 2019, 07:17:00 PM
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Has anyone actually seen the venture 5.6 v-lights for sale anywhere? They were in the summer catalog that came out months ago but I haven't been able to find them anywhere.
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If you don't mind buying online, I just got a set from SoCal Skateshop off their website. It was the only place I could find them.

Do you have a link? All I see are the 5.2 and 5.8's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on September 01, 2019, 10:29:35 PM
i've had a problem with standard indys where the axles get stripped and i'd have to get new nuts every week and recently the kingpin went loose so i was wondering if hollows/forged baseplates would be any better?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on September 02, 2019, 02:50:01 AM
Quote from: I AM on September 01, 2019, 10:29:35 PM
i've had a problem with standard indys where the axles get stripped and i'd have to get new nuts every week and recently the kingpin went loose so i was wondering if hollows/forged baseplates would be any better?

I don't know if the forged plate would necessarily be less likely to come loose by nature but one of the unexpected side effects of the move away from Ermico seems to be better overall quality in the Chinese trucks. It definitely can't hurt. If you want I think I have a pair of extra 6 hole baseplates in my box of junk that I can give you, or you can order them online for like $5.

Alternatively if it isn't too beat up you could try just using loctite or something like that, I've even heard of people jb welding kingpins in place.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on September 02, 2019, 03:05:44 AM
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i've had a problem with standard indys where the axles get stripped and i'd have to get new nuts every week and recently the kingpin went loose so i was wondering if hollows/forged baseplates would be any better?
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I don't know if the forged plate would necessarily be less likely to come loose by nature but one of the unexpected side effects of the move away from Ermico seems to be better overall quality in the Chinese trucks. It definitely can't hurt. If you want I think I have a pair of extra 6 hole baseplates in my box of junk that I can give you, or you can order them online for like $5.

Alternatively if it isn't too beat up you could try just using loctite or something like that, I've even heard of people jb welding kingpins in place.
ahh man, thanks for the offer but i don't live in america so i'll try and find a deal online. did you have problems with the axle stripping and did it get better with the china made ones?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on September 02, 2019, 03:09:13 AM
use an extra washer or two and don't tighten the nut past flush.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on September 02, 2019, 04:01:48 AM
Ok, for you dudes super into thunder. Please save me a ton of searching.

What’s the different between the team hollows and the team lights and the titanium ones.

Currently on tensors ATG and just can’t do it anymore.

Thinking about getting the titanium thunders but not sure what to expect in terms of performance and extending the wheelbase from the ATG’s

What after market parts are best in them, since I’ve read bones doesn’t always play nice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on September 02, 2019, 04:02:34 AM
Quote from: I AM on September 02, 2019, 03:05:44 AM
ahh man, thanks for the offer but i don't live in america so i'll try and find a deal online. did you have problems with the axle stripping and did it get better with the china made ones?

Well I'm a fucking awful skateboarder so my axles get smashed a lot from landing on them no matter what truck, but I didn't really notice any change in that regard. I have one of those pig tools with the axle rethreader so I usually just smash or sand them back into something vaguely cylindrical and then rethread them with that. It's not perfect but it works pretty well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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ahh man, thanks for the offer but i don't live in america so i'll try and find a deal online. did you have problems with the axle stripping and did it get better with the china made ones?
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Well I'm a fucking awful skateboarder so my axles get smashed a lot from landing on them no matter what truck, but I didn't really notice any change in that regard. I have one of those pig tools with the axle rethreader so I usually just smash or sand them back into something vaguely cylindrical and then rethread them with that. It's not perfect but it works pretty well.
i've rethreaded mine so much that the nuts just slide on and off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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ahh man, thanks for the offer but i don't live in america so i'll try and find a deal online. did you have problems with the axle stripping and did it get better with the china made ones?
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Well I'm a fucking awful skateboarder so my axles get smashed a lot from landing on them no matter what truck, but I didn't really notice any change in that regard. I have one of those pig tools with the axle rethreader so I usually just smash or sand them back into something vaguely cylindrical and then rethread them with that. It's not perfect but it works pretty well.
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i've rethreaded mine so much that the nuts just slide on and off.

When changing wheels I never remove the nut immediately I always turn the nut back and forth a few times on the last few threads before I unscrew it completely, this helped me to increase the lifespan of my axle.

Titanium axles also seem to last longer compared to regular ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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ahh man, thanks for the offer but i don't live in america so i'll try and find a deal online. did you have problems with the axle stripping and did it get better with the china made ones?
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Well I'm a fucking awful skateboarder so my axles get smashed a lot from landing on them no matter what truck, but I didn't really notice any change in that regard. I have one of those pig tools with the axle rethreader so I usually just smash or sand them back into something vaguely cylindrical and then rethread them with that. It's not perfect but it works pretty well.
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i've rethreaded mine so much that the nuts just slide on and off.
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When changing wheels I never remove the nut immediately I always turn the nut back and forth a few times on the last few threads before I unscrew it completely, this helped me to increase the lifespan of my axle.

Titanium axles also seem to last longer compared to regular ones.

what about the hollows?
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ahh man, thanks for the offer but i don't live in america so i'll try and find a deal online. did you have problems with the axle stripping and did it get better with the china made ones?
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Well I'm a fucking awful skateboarder so my axles get smashed a lot from landing on them no matter what truck, but I didn't really notice any change in that regard. I have one of those pig tools with the axle rethreader so I usually just smash or sand them back into something vaguely cylindrical and then rethread them with that. It's not perfect but it works pretty well.
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i've rethreaded mine so much that the nuts just slide on and off.
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When changing wheels I never remove the nut immediately I always turn the nut back and forth a few times on the last few threads before I unscrew it completely, this helped me to increase the lifespan of my axle.

Titanium axles also seem to last longer compared to regular ones.
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what about the hollows?
Same material as the standard trucks only hollow, no difference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on September 02, 2019, 09:27:23 AM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on September 02, 2019, 04:01:48 AM
Ok, for you dudes super into thunder. Please save me a ton of searching.

What’s the different between the team hollows and the team lights and the titanium ones.

Currently on tensors ATG and just can’t do it anymore.

Thinking about getting the titanium thunders but not sure what to expect in terms of performance and extending the wheelbase from the ATG’s

What after market parts are best in them, since I’ve read bones doesn’t always play nice.

Thunders come in the standard "team" (solid everything), lights (hollow kingpin), and hollow lights (hollow kingpin/axle). The lights and hollows come with a forged baseplate that's lighter and slightly lower. The difference between the team lights or team hollows and regular ones is the team ones use the cast baseplate from the regular team models. They're slightly higher and heavier.

Thunder titanium ligjts are basically the same as regular lights, except with a titanium axle - so forged baseplate, hollow kingpin, solid titanium axle. They're the lightest of the bunch.

Not sure what your beef with the ATG is but it's worth noting that Thunders have a pretty similar feel to them according to many people so if you're looking for a substantial change you may want to look elsewhere.

As far as aftermarket, bones work fine for me in thunders. Any conical boardside bushing seems to work pretty well as long as the sizing is close - my personal favorites are indy blue conical and Venom blood red but honestly Thunder stock bushings are pretty good. It's not like tensor where swapping the stocks out makes a huge difference, it's more of a small tweak.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HyenaChaser on September 02, 2019, 10:08:13 AM
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Ok, for you dudes super into thunder. Please save me a ton of searching.

What’s the different between the team hollows and the team lights and the titanium ones.

Currently on tensors ATG and just can’t do it anymore.

Thinking about getting the titanium thunders but not sure what to expect in terms of performance and extending the wheelbase from the ATG’s

What after market parts are best in them, since I’ve read bones doesn’t always play nice.
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Thunders come in the standard "team" (solid everything), lights (hollow kingpin), and hollow lights (hollow kingpin/axle). The lights and hollows come with a forged baseplate that's lighter and slightly lower. The difference between the team lights or team hollows and regular ones is the team ones use the cast baseplate from the regular team models. They're slightly higher and heavier.

Thunder titanium ligjts are basically the same as regular lights, except with a titanium axle - so forged baseplate, hollow kingpin, solid titanium axle. They're the lightest of the bunch.

Not sure what your beef with the ATG is but it's worth noting that Thunders have a pretty similar feel to them according to many people so if you're looking for a substantial change you may want to look elsewhere.

As far as aftermarket, bones work fine for me in thunders. Any conical boardside bushing seems to work pretty well as long as the sizing is close - my personal favorites are indy blue conical and Venom blood red but honestly Thunder stock bushings are pretty good. It's not like tensor where swapping the stocks out makes a huge difference, it's more of a small tweak.

I switched from the standard thunders, whichever ones those are, to the titanium hollow lights this summer. Can’t say I notice a pronounced difference in weight, but they do still turn the same and make me feel special for having fancy trucks.

I’ve always ran with stock bushings on thunders too, just break em in and they’re good.

I’d recommend! I guess
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on September 02, 2019, 10:24:33 AM
To be honest the only truck that I've ever genuinely noticed a substantial weight difference in when they're actually on the deck and not in my hands is tensor mag lights.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on September 02, 2019, 10:55:59 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on September 02, 2019, 10:24:33 AM
To be honest the only truck that I've ever genuinely noticed a substantial weight difference in when they're actually on the deck and not in my hands is tensor mag lights.

Thanks man, I didn’t know how the stock bushings were, I know with the tensors I had to switch em out to enjoy them. They are just on their last legs, at least the front one and I broke a kingpin and put a new one in and it’s not the same and I would rather not put the effort into them anymore. Would like to have a little lower truck so that’s why the thunders were appealing .

Also ran those blue Indy bushings heavy in my Indy’s so that’s good to know those will fit with no issue
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whenyousleep on September 03, 2019, 06:40:57 AM
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Has anyone actually seen the venture 5.6 v-lights for sale anywhere? They were in the summer catalog that came out months ago but I haven't been able to find them anywhere.
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If you don't mind buying online, I just got a set from SoCal Skateshop off their website. It was the only place I could find them.
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Do you have a link? All I see are the 5.2 and 5.8's.

Oh man, I guess they sold out on there too. I wonder why it's so hard to find these, maybe venture only did a limited run for now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on September 03, 2019, 11:52:04 AM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on September 02, 2019, 10:55:59 AM
Thanks man, I didn’t know how the stock bushings were, I know with the tensors I had to switch em out to enjoy them. They are just on their last legs, at least the front one and I broke a kingpin and put a new one in and it’s not the same and I would rather not put the effort into them anymore. Would like to have a little lower truck so that’s why the thunders were appealing .

Also ran those blue Indy bushings heavy in my Indy’s so that’s good to know those will fit with no issue

Ya Tensor stock bushings are hands down the worst I've seen. They're like straight up plastic - they feel like pieces of a kids toy... which I guess they kind of are but still.. they suck. Just to make sure I wasn't leading you astray I pulled out the blue Indy conicals and some stock thunders and they're almost identical, the indys might be slightly larger in circumference but its nothing that should cause any issues and also thunder makes a full line of aftermarket bushings in varying hardness as well. But definitely try the stock bushings first, they're pretty solid.

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Oh man, I guess they sold out on there too. I wonder why it's so hard to find these, maybe venture only did a limited run for now.


Damn. If you or anyone else sees them up anywhere can you shoot me a PM? I know someone who's been looking for them pretty much since they were announced and I'd like to try them myself. I suppose I could just get the regular 5.6 and put a hollow kingpin in myself but that seems a bit extreme.

Maybe you're right and Deluxe wasn't expecting as much demand as they've gotten and did a small first run, but you'd think with how popular Thunder 148's are they'd have seen it coming.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on September 03, 2019, 01:34:48 PM
Dude the clicking with the tensors stock bushings drove me nuts. Shop has the hollows and the ti’s. Probably going to just grab the hollows when I get paid.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UrsulaHaverbeck on September 03, 2019, 09:56:50 PM
Ventures look like if a transformer toy morphed into a skateboard truck. And no, they don't fuckin turn retards.
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Post by: j....soy..... on September 03, 2019, 10:43:12 PM
More than meets the eye.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Reese on September 03, 2019, 11:31:26 PM
Quote from: UrsulaHaverbeck on September 03, 2019, 09:56:50 PM
Ventures look like if a transformer toy morphed into a skateboard truck. And no, they don't fuckin turn retards.

Quality contribution to the forum

We haven't seen this before
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on September 04, 2019, 03:59:04 AM
Quote from: UrsulaHaverbeck on September 03, 2019, 09:56:50 PM
Ventures look like if a transformer toy morphed into a skateboard truck. And no, they don't fuckin turn retards.

Strange, apparently somehow I managed to get all the way to the store on the other side of my neighborhood this morning without turning. I didn't even realize I had traveled in a straight line.

Maybe what you meant to say was "they don't turn FOR retards" which would explain the issues you've been having with them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on September 04, 2019, 04:59:37 AM
Quote from: UrsulaHaverbeck on September 03, 2019, 09:56:50 PM
Ventures look like if a transformer toy morphed into a skateboard truck. And no, they don't fuckin turn retards.

For me they feel the same as Thunder, which I have no issues in turning.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on September 04, 2019, 05:07:52 AM
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Strange, apparently somehow I managed to get all the way to the store on the other side of my neighborhood this morning without turning. I didn't even realize I had traveled in a straight line.

Maybe what you meant to say was "they don't turn FOR retards" which would explain the issues you've been having with them.

if you think thats crazy how the fuck did bobby worrest film a full part without turning
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirtjers on September 04, 2019, 06:37:56 AM
I was trying to explain in an earlier Venture-related post, but I think "they don't turn" is a really generalized and poorly worded description of a legitimate complaint.

Ventures naturally want to keep you going straight so if you're the type of skateboarder who leans into their tricks before popping (especially 180 things into grinds I noticed this), it's going to feel weird. Almost like the board is stuck on a track it can't get off without a stutter.

They do "turn." As in, if I was going straight and wanted to turn left, I could. But it's going to make you do tricks differently. There's also a lot less forgiveness than Independent if you land off center at all.

You might like this or not like this, I guess it's just based on whatever you're used to and what you're looking for.

I was Independent for 15 years... tried the Ventures and it was just too alien to me in the long run although it was fun because it made me skate a little differently. While I was already in experiment mode I grabbed Thunder 148 team hollows, and I'd say that's a much easier transition from Indy. I'm a week and a half in and really liking them so far, especially as they started to soften up after the first 2 sessions. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on September 04, 2019, 10:51:30 AM
Citing pros is stupid. Bobby could probably ride anything. He had tight trucks/hard bushings in his old setup videos with Indy's so he probably likes them. I found they turned, just not how I wanted. Loose/floppy at the top, not much arc to them. Ace have a huge arc. This is what most people mean by turn. If you watch Bobby skate he skates fairly fast and often does very long, shallow arc turns/carves unless he has to go tight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on September 04, 2019, 02:09:16 PM
Quote from: dirtjers on September 04, 2019, 06:37:56 AM
I was trying to explain in an earlier Venture-related post, but I think "they don't turn" is a really generalized and poorly worded description of a legitimate complaint.

Ventures naturally want to keep you going straight so if you're the type of skateboarder who leans into their tricks before popping (especially 180 things into grinds I noticed this), it's going to feel weird. Almost like the board is stuck on a track it can't get off without a stutter.

They do "turn." As in, if I was going straight and wanted to turn left, I could. But it's going to make you do tricks differently. There's also a lot less forgiveness than Independent if you land off center at all.

You might like this or not like this, I guess it's just based on whatever you're used to and what you're looking for.

I was Independent for 15 years... tried the Ventures and it was just too alien to me in the long run although it was fun because it made me skate a little differently. While I was already in experiment mode I grabbed Thunder 148 team hollows, and I'd say that's a much easier transition from Indy. I'm a week and a half in and really liking them so far, especially as they started to soften up after the first 2 sessions.

This is largely true, though I noticed it has helped my setup for swerve in tricks as I'm able to lean but not change my trajectory too much. Never noticed the less forgiveness than indys when landing off centre though. I generally like how they feel for setup and doing tricks and I love the kingpin clearance. But the slow turning (both how long it takes and how large the circle I end up carving out when I do a u-turn) are starting to get a little frustrating.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on September 04, 2019, 02:12:13 PM
If I can't turn a complete 180 on an 8ft wide qp without a kickturn/wheelbite then your trucks do not turn imo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on September 04, 2019, 02:32:20 PM
Standard warning that Venture Highs and Lows have VASTLY different turning characteristics!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on September 04, 2019, 08:47:43 PM
Quote from: Willie on September 04, 2019, 02:32:20 PM
Standard warning that Venture Highs and Lows have VASTLY different turning characteristics!

I don't think anyone's talking about how the lows turn. The highs turn nice initially but then as you try to turn deeper you're hit with the "oh shit, they don't turn deeper than this!  :o"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 04, 2019, 10:57:35 PM
Let's just say no one has ever accused a Venture of turning well......

The comments about turning radius are bang on...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Yesterdays-pop on September 05, 2019, 08:59:27 AM
Indy standards with the blue conicals for my 149s and 159s and the black bushings on 169s, nut just past flush
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UrsulaHaverbeck on September 05, 2019, 10:47:34 AM
Lol at these clown shoes sucking off their Venture axles.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drcroc on September 05, 2019, 01:38:34 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on September 03, 2019, 01:34:48 PM
Dude the clicking with the tensors stock bushings drove me nuts. Shop has the hollows and the ti’s. Probably going to just grab the hollows when I get paid.

The krux black bushings squeak like a mofo. I put up with it for over a month and put in Doh doh mediums and now I think they're some of the best trucks I've ever had.

In response to the Venture discussion I had what were "Hi" super lights and I enjoyed them. They do have some annoying quirks like clicking, rigidness and the fact they look like bought at KB toys.  Months after I gave my board away after slamming really bad I was shocked to find out they were "highs" because I felt so low to the ground on them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on September 05, 2019, 04:32:13 PM
These look awesome. When is someone gonna try making a chromoly hanger again?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Z-lxgZGG1m/

From my limited understanding, chromoly is more costly than typical aluminum,  yet less expensive than an exotic material like titanium. It supposedly weighs more, but with the Advent of hollow/forged materials, I don't think it'd matter too much. Someone do it!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on September 05, 2019, 05:02:28 PM
Quote from: franquietits on September 05, 2019, 04:32:13 PM
These look awesome. When is someone gonna try making a chromoly hanger again?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Z-lxgZGG1m/

From my limited understanding, chromoly is more costly than typical aluminum,  yet less expensive than an exotic material like titanium. It supposedly weighs more, but with the Advent of hollow/forged materials, I don't think it'd matter too much. Someone do it!

It's unlike aluminum in that it's not used as a casting metal. It's usually used in flat stock or pipe form, like in bike frames, meaning you'd need things to be welded and bent to create yokes and pivots etc. (like in the pic of the trucks you posted) And it's waaaaay heavier than aluminum. It'd be cool, but I don't know how you'd achieve it in any realistic production scenario.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 05, 2019, 08:46:30 PM
I skated the G&S version of that truck and really liked them, they could grind well and were super light.  Don't think they'd sell well in today's climate, too weird looking.  One night a few years back Bill Danforth talked me ear off with every detail of truckery on both the G&S and the San Diego trucks... I retained none of the knowledge....for obvious reasons....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on September 05, 2019, 10:23:39 PM
Who knows?  Maybe one of the big truck companies can build onto the design (if not San diego or G&S). Production/design wise, if it could be done in the 80s then I'd assume improvements can be made upon in the modern setting. 

I mean, Theeve has their all titanium truck... I'm sure someone could figure it out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on September 05, 2019, 11:58:30 PM
Quote from: franquietits on September 05, 2019, 10:23:39 PM
Who knows?  Maybe one of the big truck companies can build onto the design (if not San diego or G&S). Production/design wise, if it could be done in the 80s then I'd assume improvements can be made upon in the modern setting. 

I mean, Theeve has their all titanium truck... I'm sure someone could figure it out.

For sure, but I'd agree with j soy, they'd still be pretty weird looking.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on September 06, 2019, 01:57:08 AM
I had this weird guy buy some skate stuff from me that I put up for sale on local ads, and he brought over his son’s “complete” to show me it. It was a creature popsicle from Zumiez with G&S chromoly’s in pretty much brand new condition but he spray painted them with some kind of shit that looked like a light coating of black tar. He also put fidget spinner bearings inside some Walmart looking wheels. And the risers were two totally different kinds, one being slightly taller. I should have taken a picture it was nuts. That’s my shitty story about G&S chromoly trucks. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on September 06, 2019, 02:35:26 AM
Quote from: UrsulaHaverbeck on September 05, 2019, 10:47:34 AM
Lol at these clown shoes sucking off their Venture axles.
Lol at these bitch ass new accounts trying to throw shade on the AWAKENING. I fell in love with Indy titaniums, then fell in love with aces even tho they were heavier. Now I’m in love with Ventures cause I can still get the turn I WANT with more stability and it’s helping me land tricks when I try to. #WOKE
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on September 06, 2019, 08:24:21 AM
I still have two sets of G&S trucks and a couple extra hangers.   

One set is the late model with the aluminum baseplate.  They do grind well on crappy concrete, but they are slower on metal.  It's been about 5 years since I skated them on a regular deck - I have them on a 39" earthwing Yoni that never gets ridden.

The other set is an early version with the plastic baseplates.   One sits on my bench and the other is bolted to the side of my kids lemonade stand to make it roll out to the curb easier.

Just last week I was looking at the H-Street Hensley stained glass reissue - which has old school mounting holes.  I had that deck back then with the exact G&S that I still have.  For half a minute I thought about buying one and setting it up.   Then I realized I have no business setting up another board - I have 8 or 9 already.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: camel filters on September 06, 2019, 10:13:07 AM
Quote from: tangar on September 06, 2019, 02:35:26 AM
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Lol at these clown shoes sucking off their Venture axles.
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Lol at these bitch ass new accounts trying to throw shade on the AWAKENING. I fell in love with Indy titaniums, then fell in love with aces even tho they were heavier. Now I’m in love with Ventures cause I can still get the turn I WANT with more stability and it’s helping me land tricks when I try to. #WOKE
Sounds like you fell in love with every trending truck. I am trying a pair of 5.8 ventures right now. Lets not get carried away.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HyenaChaser on September 06, 2019, 05:07:21 PM
Quote from: camel filters on September 06, 2019, 10:13:07 AM
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Lol at these clown shoes sucking off their Venture axles.
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Lol at these bitch ass new accounts trying to throw shade on the AWAKENING. I fell in love with Indy titaniums, then fell in love with aces even tho they were heavier. Now I’m in love with Ventures cause I can still get the turn I WANT with more stability and it’s helping me land tricks when I try to. #WOKE
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Sounds like you fell in love with every trending truck. I am trying a pair of 5.8 ventures right now. Lets not get carried away.

Calling the act of riding ventures “the awakening” is not helping their case, turning capabilities aside
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on September 06, 2019, 06:23:36 PM
I mean, some of us been on ventures for like 30 years... with a few hiccups along the way. Strayed a couple of times, but always came back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on September 06, 2019, 10:53:01 PM
Quote from: Dog the Bounty Hunter on September 06, 2019, 06:23:36 PM
I mean, some of us been on ventures for like 30 years... with a few hiccups along the way. Strayed a couple of times, but always came back.

That's some Puleo commitment, I can respect it. Have you kept the same width/height Ventures the whole time?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 06, 2019, 11:23:22 PM
Quote from: backinaction on September 06, 2019, 08:24:21 AM
I still have two sets of G&S trucks and a couple extra hangers.   

One set is the late model with the aluminum baseplate.  They do grind well on crappy concrete, but they are slower on metal.  It's been about 5 years since I skated them on a regular deck - I have them on a 39" earthwing Yoni that never gets ridden.


39" earthwing Yoni you say......sounds like something Linda my 58 year old hippie yoga teacher may have....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Water is Nice on September 08, 2019, 01:29:37 AM
Would I be crazy to run Ace 44s on the dane1 shape, 9.75 widest point I think 8.75 over back trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on September 08, 2019, 01:40:40 AM
Quote from: Water is Nice on September 08, 2019, 01:29:37 AM
Would I be crazy to run Ace 44s on the dane1 shape, 9.75 widest point I think 8.75 over back trucks?

A bit crazy. Try to pad the inner side of the axle with as many washers as you can.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Water is Nice on September 08, 2019, 01:49:52 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on September 08, 2019, 01:40:40 AM
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Would I be crazy to run Ace 44s on the dane1 shape, 9.75 widest point I think 8.75 over back trucks?
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A bit crazy. Try to pad the inner side of the axle with as many washers as you can.

Yeah, that would make it better, I just looked at it and I have lock ins so pretty wide wheels as well, will try when my current board gets retired. The thing is I already have indy 159 on the dane1 but I like aces so much and i don't wanna buy new trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Italianshredder96 on September 08, 2019, 06:13:07 AM
Quote from: Water is Nice on September 08, 2019, 01:49:52 AM
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Would I be crazy to run Ace 44s on the dane1 shape, 9.75 widest point I think 8.75 over back trucks?
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A bit crazy. Try to pad the inner side of the axle with as many washers as you can.
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Yeah, that would make it better, I just looked at it and I have lock ins so pretty wide wheels as well, will try when my current board gets retired. The thing is I already have indy 159 on the dane1 but I like aces so much and i don't wanna buy new trucks

Try to put indy hangers on ace baseplates should work
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on September 08, 2019, 07:36:18 AM
Quote from: Italianshredder96 on September 08, 2019, 06:13:07 AM
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Would I be crazy to run Ace 44s on the dane1 shape, 9.75 widest point I think 8.75 over back trucks?
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A bit crazy. Try to pad the inner side of the axle with as many washers as you can.
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Yeah, that would make it better, I just looked at it and I have lock ins so pretty wide wheels as well, will try when my current board gets retired. The thing is I already have indy 159 on the dane1 but I like aces so much and i don't wanna buy new trucks
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Try to put indy hangers on ace baseplates should work

This
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Water is Nice on September 08, 2019, 10:15:38 AM
Quote from: Ok on September 08, 2019, 07:36:18 AM
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Would I be crazy to run Ace 44s on the dane1 shape, 9.75 widest point I think 8.75 over back trucks?
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A bit crazy. Try to pad the inner side of the axle with as many washers as you can.
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Yeah, that would make it better, I just looked at it and I have lock ins so pretty wide wheels as well, will try when my current board gets retired. The thing is I already have indy 159 on the dane1 but I like aces so much and i don't wanna buy new trucks
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Try to put indy hangers on ace baseplates should work
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This

Would turn like ace?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on September 08, 2019, 12:06:29 PM
Anyone know what the duro is on the team hollow bushings are, currently breaking in a set and they feel kinda soft
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on September 08, 2019, 12:10:40 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on September 08, 2019, 12:06:29 PM
Anyone know what the duro is on the team hollow bushings are, currently breaking in a set and they feel kinda soft

All stock Thunders come with 90d bushings. I had the same question when I got Team Hollows (but I though they were harder than standard Thunders).

Edit: I've only skated two sets of Thunders. One set (standard teams) felt a bit softer than the team hollows, at first. After a couple weeks the bushings firmed up and they rode the same.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on September 08, 2019, 01:56:24 PM
Indy hangers in Ace baseplates works perfect just make sure you have proper bottom bushing height by paying attention to how centered the hanger yoke is.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lou Strux on September 08, 2019, 03:30:44 PM
Updating for current set-up...
Thunder Team Edition Lights (hollow kingpin) 151s w/ Bones <medium> bushings. No bottom cup/washer. Top washer is a 3/8” Grade 8 (hardened steel) flat washer from the hardware store. About 20-25 cents each. Perfect fit: compact, functional, & “extra tough.”
Thanks for caring.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on September 08, 2019, 09:07:32 PM
Quote from: palelight on September 06, 2019, 10:53:01 PM
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I mean, some of us been on ventures for like 30 years... with a few hiccups along the way. Strayed a couple of times, but always came back.
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That's some Puleo commitment, I can respect it. Have you kept the same width/height Ventures the whole time?
Puleo is my spirit animal. But no, it’s varied. For the most part it’s been 5.0s. They were wider at the beginning. Didn’t get highs until 06. Now I’m in 5.8 raws.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Heather Chandler on September 09, 2019, 03:25:32 AM
I've been wanting to give Thunders a good long term try for a while now.  Recently switched over to polished 149s.  Always had problems getting them to turn as comfortably as indy or ace.  Running independent barrel bushing on bottom 78a and 94a thunder top bushing.  Cheese grated the top bushing (wide end) to the point of having a smidge of "flop" on the hanger. Running a flat washer on bottom bushing and two flat washers on top bushing.  Turns as close to an ace as I could get it, and I'm pretty stoked.  Also have the option to remove one of the top washers for more flop, if need be.  Shall be sticking with this for a while.  Ran the same set up on some 44s with great results as well.

Edit: running 1/8" risers too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HyenaChaser on September 09, 2019, 12:57:43 PM
Quote from: Heather Chandler on September 09, 2019, 03:25:32 AM
I've been wanting to give Thunders a good long term try for a while now.  Recently switched over to polished 149s.  Always had problems getting them to turn as comfortably as indy or ace.  Running independent barrel bushing on bottom 78a and 94a thunder top bushing.  Cheese grated the top bushing (wide end) to the point of having a smidge of "flop" on the hanger. Running a flat washer on bottom bushing and two flat washers on top bushing.  Turns as close to an ace as I could get it, and I'm pretty stoked.  Also have the option to remove one of the top washers for more flop, if need be.  Shall be sticking with this for a while.  Ran the same set up on some 44s with great results as well.

Edit: running 1/8" risers too.

This is like encouraging your current girlfriend to dye her hair and change her clothes so that you can secretly make her resemble your ex.

Look man, it's over, you gotta let go of the past.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on September 09, 2019, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: HyenaChaser on September 09, 2019, 12:57:43 PM
Quote from: Heather Chandler on September 09, 2019, 03:25:32 AM
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I've been wanting to give Thunders a good long term try for a while now.  Recently switched over to polished 149s.  Always had problems getting them to turn as comfortably as indy or ace.  Running independent barrel bushing on bottom 78a and 94a thunder top bushing.  Cheese grated the top bushing (wide end) to the point of having a smidge of "flop" on the hanger. Running a flat washer on bottom bushing and two flat washers on top bushing.  Turns as close to an ace as I could get it, and I'm pretty stoked.  Also have the option to remove one of the top washers for more flop, if need be.  Shall be sticking with this for a while.  Ran the same set up on some 44s with great results as well.

Edit: running 1/8" risers too.
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This is like encouraging your current girlfriend to dye her hair and change her clothes so that you can secretly make her resemble your ex.

Look man, it's over, you gotta let go of the past.

Ha. I do appreciate the analogy.
I was wondering more what the advantages were to doing all of this?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Heather Chandler on September 09, 2019, 08:54:12 PM
Quote from: Ok on September 09, 2019, 04:04:41 PM
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I've been wanting to give Thunders a good long term try for a while now.  Recently switched over to polished 149s.  Always had problems getting them to turn as comfortably as indy or ace.  Running independent barrel bushing on bottom 78a and 94a thunder top bushing.  Cheese grated the top bushing (wide end) to the point of having a smidge of "flop" on the hanger. Running a flat washer on bottom bushing and two flat washers on top bushing.  Turns as close to an ace as I could get it, and I'm pretty stoked.  Also have the option to remove one of the top washers for more flop, if need be.  Shall be sticking with this for a while.  Ran the same set up on some 44s with great results as well.

Edit: running 1/8" risers too.
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This is like encouraging your current girlfriend to dye her hair and change her clothes so that you can secretly make her resemble your ex.

Look man, it's over, you gotta let go of the past.
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Ha. I do appreciate the analogy.
I was wondering more what the advantages were to doing all of this?

Just a preference thing.  It's working so, I'm happy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on September 10, 2019, 04:57:22 PM
So what the hell is the trick to getting a really stable feeling truck setup without sacrificing turning? Who got a sweet spot for this (besides just riding Indy). I'm a tiny man at 140 5'9" if that matters at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on September 10, 2019, 05:05:37 PM
Aces and ventures foo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on September 10, 2019, 05:29:36 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on September 10, 2019, 04:57:22 PM
So what the hell is the trick to getting a really stable feeling truck setup without sacrificing turning? Who got a sweet spot for this (besides just riding Indy). I'm a tiny man at 140 5'9" if that matters at all.

The trick is to set your trucks to where they are stable then realize that you don't really need to turn any sharper than that if you skate at a normal speed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on September 10, 2019, 05:41:54 PM
Quote from: Heather Chandler on September 09, 2019, 08:54:12 PM
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I've been wanting to give Thunders a good long term try for a while now.  Recently switched over to polished 149s.  Always had problems getting them to turn as comfortably as indy or ace.  Running independent barrel bushing on bottom 78a and 94a thunder top bushing.  Cheese grated the top bushing (wide end) to the point of having a smidge of "flop" on the hanger. Running a flat washer on bottom bushing and two flat washers on top bushing.  Turns as close to an ace as I could get it, and I'm pretty stoked.  Also have the option to remove one of the top washers for more flop, if need be.  Shall be sticking with this for a while.  Ran the same set up on some 44s with great results as well.

Edit: running 1/8" risers too.
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This is like encouraging your current girlfriend to dye her hair and change her clothes so that you can secretly make her resemble your ex.

Look man, it's over, you gotta let go of the past.
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Ha. I do appreciate the analogy.
I was wondering more what the advantages were to doing all of this?
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Just a preference thing.  It's working so, I'm happy.

Happiness in the truck thread. Damn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Reese on September 10, 2019, 05:49:05 PM
We can kill it now
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on September 10, 2019, 06:27:51 PM
Quote from: Ok on September 10, 2019, 05:41:54 PM

Happiness in the truck thread. Damn.

(https://i.imgur.com/QPU6iKW.gif)


Quote from: Beeker on September 10, 2019, 05:29:36 PM
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So what the hell is the trick to getting a really stable feeling truck setup without sacrificing turning? Who got a sweet spot for this (besides just riding Indy). I'm a tiny man at 140 5'9" if that matters at all.
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The trick is to set your trucks to where they are stable then realize that you don't really need to turn any sharper than that if you skate at a normal speed.

Perhaps it's me and the brain is working wrong today, but I'm having difficulty parsing this.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HyenaChaser on September 10, 2019, 10:30:45 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on September 10, 2019, 04:57:22 PM
So what the hell is the trick to getting a really stable feeling truck setup without sacrificing turning? Who got a sweet spot for this (besides just riding Indy). I'm a tiny man at 140 5'9" if that matters at all.

Ride Thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lou Strux on September 11, 2019, 12:45:54 AM
Quote from: HyenaChaser on September 10, 2019, 10:30:45 PM
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So what the hell is the trick to getting a really stable feeling truck setup without sacrificing turning? Who got a sweet spot for this (besides just riding Indy). I'm a tiny man at 140 5'9" if that matters at all.
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Ride Thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on September 11, 2019, 02:51:06 AM
Quote from: Lou Strux on September 11, 2019, 12:45:54 AM
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So what the hell is the trick to getting a really stable feeling truck setup without sacrificing turning? Who got a sweet spot for this (besides just riding Indy). I'm a tiny man at 140 5'9" if that matters at all.
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Ride Thunders
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Heywoodfloyd on September 11, 2019, 04:58:22 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on September 11, 2019, 02:51:06 AM
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So what the hell is the trick to getting a really stable feeling truck setup without sacrificing turning? Who got a sweet spot for this (besides just riding Indy). I'm a tiny man at 140 5'9" if that matters at all.
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Ride Thunders
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I concur.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 11, 2019, 08:56:17 AM
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So what the hell is the trick to getting a really stable feeling truck setup without sacrificing turning? Who got a sweet spot for this (besides just riding Indy). I'm a tiny man at 140 5'9" if that matters at all.
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Ride Thunders
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I concur.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FS-OverKOOK on September 11, 2019, 09:33:24 AM
Can some of you kind folks enlighten me on pros and cons with speed rings...I've been rolling 3 inside and 1 out but I'm curious if there is a consensus on the optimal setup. Is there a point of diminishing returns? Do you need the outside ring?  I like the wider base and the protection for the axle but in all my years I can't say it's something I have given much thought. Shalom in advance. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mr. Stinky on September 11, 2019, 10:54:10 AM
Quote from: FS-OverKOOK on September 11, 2019, 09:33:24 AM
Can some of you kind folks enlighten me on pros and cons with speed rings...I've been rolling 3 inside and 1 out but I'm curious if there is a consensus on the optimal setup. Is there a point of diminishing returns? Do you need the outside ring?  I like the wider base and the protection for the axle but in all my years I can't say it's something I have given much thought. Shalom in advance.

I'm also curious about this, but kind of in the other direction.  I've got some Ace 55s I want to set up on a 8 5/8" board, but I'd just prefer to keep the wheels as close to board width apart as possible.  I was comparing them with my 159s last night and the hanger is pretty much the same width.   Anybody ever run extra speed rings on the outside of the wheel just to protect the axle threads?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on September 11, 2019, 11:49:10 AM
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Can some of you kind folks enlighten me on pros and cons with speed rings...I've been rolling 3 inside and 1 out but I'm curious if there is a consensus on the optimal setup. Is there a point of diminishing returns? Do you need the outside ring?  I like the wider base and the protection for the axle but in all my years I can't say it's something I have given much thought. Shalom in advance.
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I'm also curious about this, but kind of in the other direction.  I've got some Ace 55s I want to set up on a 8 5/8" board, but I'd just prefer to keep the wheels as close to board width apart as possible.  I was comparing them with my 159s last night and the hanger is pretty much the same width.   Anybody ever run extra speed rings on the outside of the wheel just to protect the axle threads?

Aces you can run without washers on the inside because of the hanger design. I wouldn't leave outside washers off. The likelihood of the bearing rubbing wrong on the axle nut is pretty big. As for the amount, as long as the nyloc locks in place I don't see there being any disadvantage with using more than one inside and one outside.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on September 11, 2019, 01:01:21 PM
Threw my Thunders on today on a setup I had been riding with Indys and..... liking it a lot more with Thunders. Great response without being loose, still getting used to manuals, pop is better. The deck is a Quasi 8.375 and they never change that shape, which is similar to their 8.25. I'd like to thank everyone for putting up with the Madness and wish you all the best in yours. Time for me to exit this thread for good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mr. Stinky on September 11, 2019, 01:23:27 PM
Quote from: Roisto on September 11, 2019, 11:49:10 AM
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Can some of you kind folks enlighten me on pros and cons with speed rings...I've been rolling 3 inside and 1 out but I'm curious if there is a consensus on the optimal setup. Is there a point of diminishing returns? Do you need the outside ring?  I like the wider base and the protection for the axle but in all my years I can't say it's something I have given much thought. Shalom in advance.
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I'm also curious about this, but kind of in the other direction.  I've got some Ace 55s I want to set up on a 8 5/8" board, but I'd just prefer to keep the wheels as close to board width apart as possible.  I was comparing them with my 159s last night and the hanger is pretty much the same width.   Anybody ever run extra speed rings on the outside of the wheel just to protect the axle threads?
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Aces you can run without washers on the inside because of the hanger design. I wouldn't leave outside washers off. The likelihood of the bearing rubbing wrong on the axle nut is pretty big. As for the amount, as long as the nyloc locks in place I don't see there being any disadvantage with using more than one inside and one outside.

Right, thing is I don't want to run the speed rings on the inside because that widens the track and I want it to be as close to board-width (8 5/8") as I can get it.  Since I can set the 55s up without inside speed rings, they should get really close to the same width as 159s, which I would normally ride on an 8 5/8" board.  But then I'd have to crank the axle nuts down so threads were showing past the end.  The issue with that is that I am not good at flip tricks and I will destroy those threads.

Anyway, I thought of putting extra speed rings on the outside to fill the space between the inner bearing race and the inside of the axle nut to get the wheels tight enough (because of no inside speed rings) while keeping the threads from showing.  That way the track stays the right size without worrying about wrecking my trucks from sucking ass at skating.  Basically, it would mean running three speed rings outside and none inside.  Would there be an issue with that?  Hope that makes more sense. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on September 11, 2019, 01:40:18 PM
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Can some of you kind folks enlighten me on pros and cons with speed rings...I've been rolling 3 inside and 1 out but I'm curious if there is a consensus on the optimal setup. Is there a point of diminishing returns? Do you need the outside ring?  I like the wider base and the protection for the axle but in all my years I can't say it's something I have given much thought. Shalom in advance.
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I'm also curious about this, but kind of in the other direction.  I've got some Ace 55s I want to set up on a 8 5/8" board, but I'd just prefer to keep the wheels as close to board width apart as possible.  I was comparing them with my 159s last night and the hanger is pretty much the same width.   Anybody ever run extra speed rings on the outside of the wheel just to protect the axle threads?
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Aces you can run without washers on the inside because of the hanger design. I wouldn't leave outside washers off. The likelihood of the bearing rubbing wrong on the axle nut is pretty big. As for the amount, as long as the nyloc locks in place I don't see there being any disadvantage with using more than one inside and one outside.
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Right, thing is I don't want to run the speed rings on the inside because that widens the track and I want it to be as close to board-width (8 5/8") as I can get it.  Since I can set the 55s up without inside speed rings, they should get really close to the same width as 159s, which I would normally ride on an 8 5/8" board.  But then I'd have to crank the axle nuts down so threads were showing past the end.  The issue with that is that I am not good at flip tricks and I will destroy those threads.

Anyway, I thought of putting extra speed rings on the outside to fill the space between the inner bearing race and the inside of the axle nut to get the wheels tight enough (because of no inside speed rings) while keeping the threads from showing.  That way the track stays the right size without worrying about wrecking my trucks from sucking ass at skating.  Basically, it would mean running three speed rings outside and none inside.  Would there be an issue with that?  Hope that makes more sense.

There wouldn't be any issue with that, no. The nut is going to stick out considerably more than it would (especially if you have narrow wheels), but if it doesn't bother you, go for it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: B0udoir on September 11, 2019, 01:58:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Stinky on September 11, 2019, 01:23:27 PM
Right, thing is I don't want to run the speed rings on the inside because that widens the track and I want it to be as close to board-width (8 5/8") as I can get it.  Since I can set the 55s up without inside speed rings, they should get really close to the same width as 159s, which I would normally ride on an 8 5/8" board.  But then I'd have to crank the axle nuts down so threads were showing past the end.  The issue with that is that I am not good at flip tricks and I will destroy those threads.

Anyway, I thought of putting extra speed rings on the outside to fill the space between the inner bearing race and the inside of the axle nut to get the wheels tight enough (because of no inside speed rings) while keeping the threads from showing.  That way the track stays the right size without worrying about wrecking my trucks from sucking ass at skating.  Basically, it would mean running three speed rings outside and none inside.  Would there be an issue with that?  Hope that makes more sense.


 The 55s are basically a classical 8.75 truck but with an extended 9 inches axle. So I'm also doing that to protect the threads on the axles because I put the wheels directly on the hanger. Never had an issue with this technique.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mr. Stinky on September 11, 2019, 02:17:02 PM
That's what I figured, guess there's my next setup. Thanks for the help everyone.

Shalom
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on September 12, 2019, 12:59:21 PM
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So what the hell is the trick to getting a really stable feeling truck setup without sacrificing turning? Who got a sweet spot for this (besides just riding Indy). I'm a tiny man at 140 5'9" if that matters at all.
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Ride Thunders
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I concur.
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I actually have Thunders on and they felt considerably less easy to balance on than my Indy's, but I started figuring it might have been because I switched my bushing setup over when I switched from Indy to Thunder. I had Ace bushings slightly shaved down, top washer on, bottom washer off. I tried putting the old Thunder bushings on, but could only find the top one, tried that with the Ace bottom and it didn't feel great, threw on the Indy stock orange bottoms with the Thunder top, put both washers in and this made it pretty good. Still doesn't feel as snappy and steady as I want though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HyenaChaser on September 12, 2019, 01:13:15 PM
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So what the hell is the trick to getting a really stable feeling truck setup without sacrificing turning? Who got a sweet spot for this (besides just riding Indy). I'm a tiny man at 140 5'9" if that matters at all.
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Ride Thunders
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I concur.
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I actually have Thunders on and they felt considerably less easy to balance on than my Indy's, but I started figuring it might have been because I switched my bushing setup over when I switched from Indy to Thunder. I had Ace bushings slightly shaved down, top washer on, bottom washer off. I tried putting the old Thunder bushings on, but could only find the top one, tried that with the Ace bottom and it didn't feel great, threw on the Indy stock orange bottoms with the Thunder top, put both washers in and this made it pretty good. Still doesn't feel as snappy and steady as I want though.

Well there’s your problem, you tried to fuck with the formula. Stock bushings on thunders, break em in the old fashioned way.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on September 12, 2019, 01:30:50 PM
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So what the hell is the trick to getting a really stable feeling truck setup without sacrificing turning? Who got a sweet spot for this (besides just riding Indy). I'm a tiny man at 140 5'9" if that matters at all.
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Ride Thunders
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I concur.
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I actually have Thunders on and they felt considerably less easy to balance on than my Indy's, but I started figuring it might have been because I switched my bushing setup over when I switched from Indy to Thunder. I had Ace bushings slightly shaved down, top washer on, bottom washer off. I tried putting the old Thunder bushings on, but could only find the top one, tried that with the Ace bottom and it didn't feel great, threw on the Indy stock orange bottoms with the Thunder top, put both washers in and this made it pretty good. Still doesn't feel as snappy and steady as I want though.
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Well there’s your problem, you tried to fuck with the formula. Stock bushings on thunders, break em in the old fashioned way.

This. If you're switching truck brands, you're doing yourself a disservice running them any other way than stock (at least at first). Plus Thunder have a pretty unique bushing height that's different to any aftermarket size (aside from Thunder replacements). I know people have said they run Bones in Thunders but, just speaking for myself, I'm not convinced that Thunders benefit from anything other than stock bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on September 12, 2019, 01:38:05 PM
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So what the hell is the trick to getting a really stable feeling truck setup without sacrificing turning? Who got a sweet spot for this (besides just riding Indy). I'm a tiny man at 140 5'9" if that matters at all.
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Ride Thunders
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I concur.
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I actually have Thunders on and they felt considerably less easy to balance on than my Indy's, but I started figuring it might have been because I switched my bushing setup over when I switched from Indy to Thunder. I had Ace bushings slightly shaved down, top washer on, bottom washer off. I tried putting the old Thunder bushings on, but could only find the top one, tried that with the Ace bottom and it didn't feel great, threw on the Indy stock orange bottoms with the Thunder top, put both washers in and this made it pretty good. Still doesn't feel as snappy and steady as I want though.
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Well there’s your problem, you tried to fuck with the formula. Stock bushings on thunders, break em in the old fashioned way.
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This. If you're switching truck brands, you're doing yourself a disservice running them any other way than stock (at least at first). Plus Thunder have a pretty unique bushing height that's different to any aftermarket size (aside from Thunder replacements). I know people have said they run Bones in Thunders but, just speaking for myself, I'm not convinced that Thunders benefit from anything other than stock bushings.

Damn thanks for the heads up, I just assumed that since every other companies stock setup is trash I should just switch in my old gear off the bat - gonna go find those original bottom bushings right now
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on September 12, 2019, 02:01:38 PM
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So what the hell is the trick to getting a really stable feeling truck setup without sacrificing turning? Who got a sweet spot for this (besides just riding Indy). I'm a tiny man at 140 5'9" if that matters at all.
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Ride Thunders
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I concur.
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I actually have Thunders on and they felt considerably less easy to balance on than my Indy's, but I started figuring it might have been because I switched my bushing setup over when I switched from Indy to Thunder. I had Ace bushings slightly shaved down, top washer on, bottom washer off. I tried putting the old Thunder bushings on, but could only find the top one, tried that with the Ace bottom and it didn't feel great, threw on the Indy stock orange bottoms with the Thunder top, put both washers in and this made it pretty good. Still doesn't feel as snappy and steady as I want though.
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Well there’s your problem, you tried to fuck with the formula. Stock bushings on thunders, break em in the old fashioned way.
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This. If you're switching truck brands, you're doing yourself a disservice running them any other way than stock (at least at first). Plus Thunder have a pretty unique bushing height that's different to any aftermarket size (aside from Thunder replacements). I know people have said they run Bones in Thunders but, just speaking for myself, I'm not convinced that Thunders benefit from anything other than stock bushings.

This.
I’m not sure any trucks greatly benefit from bushing swaps. It can suck to break in new bushings, but if they are just left alone and slowly broken in....seems to work out better for me, across the board. I’ll swap some other stuff in here or there, can’t say it makes me skate any better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on September 12, 2019, 02:16:02 PM
Indy's undoubtedly benefit from the aftermarkets of the same brand. Other than that, Theeves do better with Bones mediums compared to the hardcore bushings that come stock.
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Post by: palelight on September 12, 2019, 05:41:01 PM
Quote from: Firebert on September 12, 2019, 02:16:02 PM
Indy's undoubtedly benefit from the aftermarkets of the same brand. Other than that, Theeves do better with Bones mediums compared to the hardcore bushings that come stock.

For sure, Indy stocks don't work for everyone, but if you keep the bushings to the same brand then all is usually well. And considering Theeve's were designed around Bones that makes sense too.

As much as I can get down for setup weirdness, having different brand bushings top and bottom or shaving just the top down or having to go find different washers gives me anxiety (personally. If it works for you have at it).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 12, 2019, 06:07:59 PM
Quote from: Firebert on September 12, 2019, 02:16:02 PM
Indy's undoubtedly benefit from the aftermarkets of the same brand. Other than that, Theeves do better with Bones mediums compared to the hardcore bushings that come stock.

Theeve's stock 'Hardcore' bushings do a disservice to the trucks; no idea why they chose to go with hard.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on September 13, 2019, 04:18:01 AM
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So what the hell is the trick to getting a really stable feeling truck setup without sacrificing turning? Who got a sweet spot for this (besides just riding Indy). I'm a tiny man at 140 5'9" if that matters at all.
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Ride Thunders
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I concur.
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I actually have Thunders on and they felt considerably less easy to balance on than my Indy's, but I started figuring it might have been because I switched my bushing setup over when I switched from Indy to Thunder. I had Ace bushings slightly shaved down, top washer on, bottom washer off. I tried putting the old Thunder bushings on, but could only find the top one, tried that with the Ace bottom and it didn't feel great, threw on the Indy stock orange bottoms with the Thunder top, put both washers in and this made it pretty good. Still doesn't feel as snappy and steady as I want though.
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Well there’s your problem, you tried to fuck with the formula. Stock bushings on thunders, break em in the old fashioned way.

I recently put bones hards in my thunders and idk if I love it or not. Seems stable but wheel bite more than when I had the stock bushings in. I put washer bottom bushing then top bushing no washer. To get the same height in bottom and top as the stocks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on September 13, 2019, 10:59:18 AM
Sorta thinking about trying flat washers on Ventures, anyone tried this? Just looking for a tiny bit more squeeze in turns, but still riding medium tight. What hardware would work (I.e from hardware store) anyone know?

If it totally collapses the stability/lack of wheelbite I won’t bother to be fair...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on September 13, 2019, 12:02:57 PM
Quote from: drinny on September 13, 2019, 10:59:18 AM
Sorta thinking about trying flat washers on Ventures, anyone tried this? Just looking for a tiny bit more squeeze in turns, but still riding medium tight. What hardware would work (I.e from hardware store) anyone know?

If it totally collapses the stability/lack of wheelbite I won’t bother to be fair...

The flat washers from bones bushing worked for me. Some of my ventures have crazy marks on the anger from the stock washers, which does limit the turn (obviously). I don’t feel less stable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on September 13, 2019, 04:14:16 PM
Quote from: drinny on September 13, 2019, 10:59:18 AM
Sorta thinking about trying flat washers on Ventures, anyone tried this? Just looking for a tiny bit more squeeze in turns, but still riding medium tight. What hardware would work (I.e from hardware store) anyone know?

If it totally collapses the stability/lack of wheelbite I won’t bother to be fair...

I got bones bushings (hard bottom medium top) with no washers and top flat bones washer in my Ventures. Everyone says stock everything works best on Ventures but I personally just like the quicker snap back to centre that you get from bones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: smg1138 on September 14, 2019, 03:57:16 PM
Has there been any consensus about which way Indy bushings are supposed to face? Just got a new set of 149 Standards and the machined side of the bottom barrel bushing is facing boardside. This goes against everything I've ever thought about bushings and it's bothering my OCD lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on September 14, 2019, 04:13:44 PM
bottom bushing flat side in the cup washer, curved side hanger.




shit, had this assbackwards  :-[
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: smg1138 on September 14, 2019, 04:34:45 PM
Quote from: BL0B on September 14, 2019, 04:13:44 PM
curved in the cup washer, flat side hanger.

Thanks! They installed them exactly opposite of that at the factory  :-\
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lou Strux on September 15, 2019, 04:27:05 PM
I suspect this has been addressed here already, but combing through the search results has been only partially informative, so I’ll go ahead and ask with the specifics of my situation as details, in hopes that the collective SLAP minds can share some insights and/or solutions.
I just stepped up to 8.75” decks, from 8.5”.
Sized up my trucks to match: went from Thunder 149s to 151s and put Bones (medium) bushings in ‘em with no bottom washer/cup & flat washers on top.
Problem: the bottom bushing keeps bulging out from under the yoke.
I rode the same set up on the 149s for years, but never had this problem. Do I have a bummer set of bushings? They’re BOTH doing it, in the exact same way, so more likely is the possibility that the additional leverage generated by the wider hanger is, at least in part, the culprit. Maybe the rebated nature of the yoke (for weight saving?) affords too little of a lip to hold the bushing in place?
Beyond going back to a stock set-up, does anybody have any advice, or maybe a suggest for old Lou?
Thanks, and of course...
Hugs!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on September 15, 2019, 06:25:43 PM
Quote from: Lou Strux on September 15, 2019, 04:27:05 PM
I suspect this has been addressed here already, but combing through the search results has been only partially informative, so I’ll go ahead and ask with the specifics of my situation as details, in hopes that the collective SLAP minds can share some insights and/or solutions.
I just stepped up to 8.75” decks, from 8.5”.
Sized up my trucks to match: went from Thunder 149s to 151s and put Bones (medium) bushings in ‘em with no bottom washer/cup & flat washers on top.
Problem: the bottom bushing keeps bulging out from under the yoke.
I rode the same set up on the 149s for years, but never had this problem. Do I have a bummer set of bushings? They’re BOTH doing it, in the exact same way, so more likely is the possibility that the additional leverage generated by the wider hanger is, at least in part, the culprit. Maybe the rebated nature of the yoke (for weight saving?) affords too little of a lip to hold the bushing in place?
Beyond going back to a stock set-up, does anybody have any advice, or maybe a suggest for old Lou?
Thanks, and of course...
Hugs!

I had this problem with multiple sets of bones on 151's. I get the aftermarket Thunder bushings now and have no problems. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on September 15, 2019, 06:30:08 PM
You want the white Thunder Bushings. 90a.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lou Strux on September 16, 2019, 10:10:33 AM
Thanks, gang.
‘Preciate the consult.
I’m gon’ look into that, pronto.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TooManyPros on September 16, 2019, 02:57:23 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on September 15, 2019, 06:30:08 PM
You want the white Thunder Bushings. 90a.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on September 16, 2019, 03:57:39 PM
I know it sounds dumb to ride ace tight but I only ride tight but still want some turn and ace does the trick with some bones hards

Tight but still has some smooth give

Does anyone else get the feeling black bushings are usually harder than white bushings?

Cause I’m thinking the black bones hards would feel somewhat harder than the regular white urethane ones
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Woos on September 16, 2019, 04:51:37 PM
Thunder 147 Hollow Lights (completely raw)

Bones Hardcore Mediums (black/yellow)

Only use the black washer that comes with the bushings

Use the stock speed rings/washers that come with the trucks, one on each side of the wheel/bearing

Rear kingpin nut is flush, front is showing one thread

Currently on an 8.0" deck but I need to step up to an 8.15-8.25 and I'm always riding 52mm wheels.  Get pretty gnarly wheelbite when they're brand new due to the thinner forged baseplate but I grew up skating Venture Lows so it's worth dealing with.  I weigh like 175-180lbs depending on the day.  I really need to get a tranny set up with some higher trucks/larger wheels.  Literally just started skating again after many years (fuck heroin) so I only have this setup right now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on September 16, 2019, 06:33:16 PM
Hey anyone got protips for getting the pivot cups out? finally got riptides to try out and the stock Thunders are fucking impossible to remove.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: B0udoir on September 16, 2019, 06:35:56 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on September 16, 2019, 06:33:16 PM
Hey anyone got protips for getting the pivot cups out? finally got riptides to try out and the stock Thunders are fucking impossible to remove.

Try using the axle of your truck to make a lever.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on September 16, 2019, 06:39:18 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on September 16, 2019, 06:33:16 PM
Hey anyone got protips for getting the pivot cups out? finally got riptides to try out and the stock Thunders are fucking impossible to remove.


Needle nose pliers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: honey island on September 16, 2019, 06:53:59 PM
anyone else boil their bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on September 16, 2019, 07:06:29 PM
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Needle nose pliers

I got a surgical operation going with an exacto knife, boxcutter, flat head screw driver, and needle bose pliers and it's still not happening
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Woos on September 16, 2019, 07:33:00 PM
Quote from: honey island on September 16, 2019, 06:53:59 PM
anyone else boil their bushings?

I have boiled stock bushings back in the day but now that I just swap them out with Bones Mediums I haven't had a reason.  If I blow a bushing and I'm in a pinch I might boil some stock Thunder ones though.  Shit I should just do that now since I have them sitting in my skate bag for emergencies.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AssFea on September 16, 2019, 10:00:33 PM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  on August 21, 2019, 12:14:45 AM
I skate 8.3-8.5 boards w/ 44’s on them these days, but i have my old setup at work to skate some flatground every now and then, 8” board with 139’s and while flipping it feels alot easier I miss that extra space and stability of my current set up. Not going back 😁

Same story here as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on September 17, 2019, 07:02:32 AM
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Needle nose pliers
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I got a surgical operation going with an exacto knife, boxcutter, flat head screw driver, and needle bose pliers and it's still not happening

You should have this sorted by now but a little heat goes a long way, once they start to come out they just slide and your like "what the fuck was that all about?!" I feel your pain. (Wait till you try and get a kingpin out those fuckers)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oldbummer on September 18, 2019, 05:40:00 PM
soon
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on September 19, 2019, 07:44:29 AM
161s looking good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 19, 2019, 09:47:57 AM
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Sorta thinking about trying flat washers on Ventures, anyone tried this? Just looking for a tiny bit more squeeze in turns, but still riding medium tight. What hardware would work (I.e from hardware store) anyone know?

If it totally collapses the stability/lack of wheelbite I won’t bother to be fair...
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I got bones bushings (hard bottom medium top) with no washers and top flat bones washer in my Ventures. Everyone says stock everything works best on Ventures but I personally just like the quicker snap back to centre that you get from bones.

Same here but Medium bottoms, soft tops, bones washers top and bottom.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oneOone on September 19, 2019, 11:22:00 AM
I use the stock Venture top washer as bottom washer with Bones bushings, not top washer.
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Post by: whenyousleep on September 19, 2019, 11:57:17 AM
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Sorta thinking about trying flat washers on Ventures, anyone tried this? Just looking for a tiny bit more squeeze in turns, but still riding medium tight. What hardware would work (I.e from hardware store) anyone know?

If it totally collapses the stability/lack of wheelbite I won’t bother to be fair...
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I got bones bushings (hard bottom medium top) with no washers and top flat bones washer in my Ventures. Everyone says stock everything works best on Ventures but I personally just like the quicker snap back to centre that you get from bones.
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Same here but Medium bottoms, soft tops, bones washers top and bottom.

How do you not destroy both the medium bottom and soft top bushings? I feel like every time I've had bones bushings that weren't the hard ones, the cores always split from the bottoms.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on September 20, 2019, 01:35:53 AM
what bushings are closest to stock or a good feeling set for a set of Film Trucks? I have the feeling my Thunder's are gonna give up the ghost soon and I somehow came up on a spare set of Film's that haven't been skated much but alas I have no idea what bushing are in them but I know they're not stock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 50mm on September 20, 2019, 09:31:18 AM
Can you guys recommend a good blank for thunder 149s? I had a mellow concave minilogo on indys and it was good. But I switched to thunders and it’s horrible on them. The tail and nose are really flat so there’s no space to get any pop. It doesn’t look like they are selling their steep nose and tail deck anymore in 8.5 so I’m not sure what to get. Pretty much looking for a steep nose/tail in 8.5 I guess. Haven’t ridden thunders since I was like a kid so I don’t know what works for them.

Prefer a blank to save some cash. Read that skate warehouse blanks might be what I’m looking for.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on September 20, 2019, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: 50mm on September 20, 2019, 09:31:18 AM
Can you guys recommend a good blank for thunder 149s? I had a mellow concave minilogo on indys and it was good. But I switched to thunders and it’s horrible on them. The tail and nose are really flat so there’s no space to get any pop. It doesn’t look like they are selling their steep nose and tail deck anymore in 8.5 so I’m not sure what to get. Pretty much looking for a steep nose/tail in 8.5 I guess. Haven’t ridden thunders since I was like a kid so I don’t know what works for them.

Prefer a blank to save some cash. Read that skate warehouse blanks might be what I’m looking for.

Tactics - BBS wood for $30-$35 shipped, with grip.

https://www.tactics.com/tactics/skateboard-decks/rs-8.5
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 50mm on September 20, 2019, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: backinaction on September 20, 2019, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: 50mm on September 20, 2019, 09:31:18 AM
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Can you guys recommend a good blank for thunder 149s? I had a mellow concave minilogo on indys and it was good. But I switched to thunders and it’s horrible on them. The tail and nose are really flat so there’s no space to get any pop. It doesn’t look like they are selling their steep nose and tail deck anymore in 8.5 so I’m not sure what to get. Pretty much looking for a steep nose/tail in 8.5 I guess. Haven’t ridden thunders since I was like a kid so I don’t know what works for them.

Prefer a blank to save some cash. Read that skate warehouse blanks might be what I’m looking for.
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Tactics - BBS wood for $30-$35 shipped, with grip.

https://www.tactics.com/tactics/skateboard-decks/rs-8.5
thanks dude. Picked up the bowling leaisure series. I actually like that graphic. Especially because my mom likes to bowl and I’ve been going with her lol.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 20, 2019, 05:46:42 PM
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Sorta thinking about trying flat washers on Ventures, anyone tried this? Just looking for a tiny bit more squeeze in turns, but still riding medium tight. What hardware would work (I.e from hardware store) anyone know?

If it totally collapses the stability/lack of wheelbite I won’t bother to be fair...
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I got bones bushings (hard bottom medium top) with no washers and top flat bones washer in my Ventures. Everyone says stock everything works best on Ventures but I personally just like the quicker snap back to centre that you get from bones.
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Same here but Medium bottoms, soft tops, bones washers top and bottom.
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How do you not destroy both the medium bottom and soft top bushings? I feel like every time I've had bones bushings that weren't the hard ones, the cores always split from the bottoms.

I've ridden them off and on for years and never had a problem with them (aside from the plastic top due to smiths or feebs).

Never blown them out on theeves, never cracked them.

Different trucks, terrain, even different styles of skating (I skate everything but vert) and the only constant is I ride wheelbite loose so maybe that's it?

FWIW, the black bushings are always softer no matter the hardness (especially over time where the regs seem to harden up if they're not used).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on September 20, 2019, 08:46:45 PM
Local got in new stock of Indy’s, many were the new fully made in China ones with the axle tag to indicate. The new cast versions have a dimple that sticks out in the blank spot that used to have USA in it as another indicator.

Whether it was the cast, forged hollow, or forged titanium’s, the China’s were noticeably better looking quality. Cleaner casting, no hanger aluminum bleed onto the axle, stock bushings and pivot cups are aftermarket quality. I got the titanium’s, and the stock bushings have excellent rebound and go back to center like Bones. I back these new Indy’s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on September 20, 2019, 11:53:16 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on September 20, 2019, 08:46:45 PM
Local got in new stock of Indy’s, many were the new fully made in China ones with the axle tag to indicate. The new cast versions have a dimple that sticks out in the blank spot that used to have USA in it as another indicator.

Whether it was the cast, forged hollow, or forged titanium’s, the China’s were noticeably better looking quality. Cleaner casting, no hanger aluminum bleed onto the axle, stock bushings and pivot cups are aftermarket quality. I got the titanium’s, and the stock bushings have excellent rebound and go back to center like Bones. I back these new Indy’s.

Size? My cast 159s, USA, are as nice as any truck I’ve ever had. Love em. I am just too weak to skate trucks that big. 3 flip is soooo hard
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on September 21, 2019, 08:47:10 AM
I went with 139 titaniums with two washers on the inside to push the wheels out on an 8.28” board. It’s so light!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on September 21, 2019, 09:24:26 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on September 21, 2019, 08:47:10 AM
I went with 139 titaniums with two washers on the inside to push the wheels out on an 8.28” board. It’s so light!

I’ve been flirting with a setup of mine that’s basically the same except  hollow/forged, with 3 washers on the inside. Indy’s are strong enough that I can always do dumb shit like this and not worry about bending the axles or whatever. I’m not sure why I’m so committed to not skating 139s. Something (several thing tbh) about Independent bum me out, but they still seem to work the best....I think..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on September 21, 2019, 12:25:05 PM
Yep, that’s the thing with Indy is you can rely on the strength. Forged is key, too. Ace are my truck but after bending two trucks in a row and breaking a bunch of baseplates, they just can’t stand up to Indy in that regard. We’ll see with these upcoming redesigns if they’ll finally get their shit together. I usually ride wide trucks but decided to go with the small 139’s this time around. I’ve rode smaller set-ups in the past so it’s not hard to get used to. Grab some 139’s man! You could go for 144’s, too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Switch FS K-Swiss Grind on September 22, 2019, 06:50:53 PM
question.
my indy's are pretty worn down, to the point that i'm hitting the kingpin nut, but i don't want to buy another set just yet because i feel there's still some life left in them. However it's time to replace the bushings. I usually ride bones medium bushings, but with the kingpin nut basically only just on, or with maybe 1-2mm of thread showing. I'm considering getting the soft bushings and just cranking the top nut down a bit further, thinking i might achieve the same kinda looseness but getting less kingpin bite. Any experienced truck setup veterans have any input on if this is a bad idea or not?

thanks in advance
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Pissedoff30y/oskatedad on September 22, 2019, 07:55:23 PM
Quote from: Switch FS K-Swiss Grind on September 22, 2019, 06:50:53 PM
question.
my indy's are pretty worn down, to the point that i'm hitting the kingpin nut, but i don't want to buy another set just yet because i feel there's still some life left in them. However it's time to replace the bushings. I usually ride bones medium bushings, but with the kingpin nut basically only just on, or with maybe 1-2mm of thread showing. I'm considering getting the soft bushings and just cranking the top nut down a bit further, thinking i might achieve the same kinda looseness but getting less kingpin bite. Any experienced truck setup veterans have any input on if this is a bad idea or not?

thanks in advance

Might lessen the radius of the turn but who knows maybe it wouldnt wven be noticeable
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AssFlea on September 23, 2019, 09:34:46 AM
I’m not buying bones bushings anymore. Nothing was wrong with the old ways
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on September 24, 2019, 09:41:35 AM
Really digging the new Indy’s. Stock bushings have excellent rebound and I’m 210lbs getting barely any wheelbite with 56mm wheels on the forged titanium’s. Almost feels like they secretly revamped the geo slightly, or perhaps the forged just turn better?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on September 24, 2019, 12:09:52 PM
It's not much of a difference in height but I have always preferred Indy Forged Hollows and Thunder forged plates.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AssFlea on September 28, 2019, 01:24:59 PM
I have yet to view the review but Ben Degros has a set of Grind Kings.
I like Ben
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on September 29, 2019, 04:16:43 AM
I honestly thought my rear truck would be the first to go since it's down to the axle and cracked, yet I moved my board earlier and noticed an existing crack on the front truck had got bigger, I blinked and it shrunk and then I noticed this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7IcaeSWW3I
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: themanwhomakes on September 29, 2019, 10:46:11 AM
Quote from: Switch FS K-Swiss Grind on September 22, 2019, 06:50:53 PM
question.
my indy's are pretty worn down, to the point that i'm hitting the kingpin nut, but i don't want to buy another set just yet because i feel there's still some life left in them. However it's time to replace the bushings. I usually ride bones medium bushings, but with the kingpin nut basically only just on, or with maybe 1-2mm of thread showing. I'm considering getting the soft bushings and just cranking the top nut down a bit further, thinking i might achieve the same kinda looseness but getting less kingpin bite. Any experienced truck setup veterans have any input on if this is a bad idea or not?

thanks in advance
I've been in your shoes and riding two top bushings per truck was kinda weird but actually worked pretty well. It's worth a try imo. Softs will most likely blow out if you crank down on them and there goes 10 bucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on September 29, 2019, 06:51:04 PM
Has anyone ever noticed how the aftermarket Indy conicals have a taller bottom bushing than stock? Changes the geo and I can’t even get the kingpin nut on when I put it all together. ???
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on September 29, 2019, 08:10:03 PM
No dawg, it’s just you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on September 29, 2019, 09:01:12 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on September 29, 2019, 06:51:04 PM
Has anyone ever noticed how the aftermarket Indy conicals have a taller bottom bushing than stock? Changes the geo and I can’t even get the kingpin nut on when I put it all together. ???

I'm 95% sure it's from the stocks sitting, compressed and tightened, for however many days/months/years before they get to the customer. Whereas the aftermarkets never touch truck before you buy them. Just tighten them down and ride them flush for a week.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AssFlea on September 29, 2019, 09:59:49 PM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on September 29, 2019, 04:16:43 AM
I honestly thought my rear truck would be the first to go since it's down to the axle and cracked, yet I moved my board earlier and noticed an existing crack on the front truck had got bigger, I blinked and it shrunk and then I noticed this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7IcaeSWW3I

human garbage
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AssFlea on September 29, 2019, 10:02:50 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on September 29, 2019, 06:51:04 PM
Has anyone ever noticed how the aftermarket Indy conicals have a taller bottom bushing than stock? Changes the geo and I can’t even get the kingpin nut on when I put it all together. ???

get out of my brain dood

I was yacking with my brother about this earlier
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on September 29, 2019, 11:00:45 PM
Quote from: palelight on September 29, 2019, 09:01:12 PM
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Has anyone ever noticed how the aftermarket Indy conicals have a taller bottom bushing than stock? Changes the geo and I can’t even get the kingpin nut on when I put it all together. ???
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I'm 95% sure it's from the stocks sitting, compressed and tightened, for however many days/months/years before they get to the customer. Whereas the aftermarkets never touch truck before you buy them. Just tighten them down and ride them flush for a week.

This!

Also, I got a set of Indy aftermarkets this weekend and to break them in faster I tried the boiling thing.
So what I did is that I took them from the boiling water straight to the truck, tighten them super hard and stood on my skateboard while balancing back and forth to soften them up. Then I left them over night, and in the morning I loosen the trucks to flush which is what I usually ride.
Conclusion, they where way tooo loose. The bushings actually got thinner because of the heat and preasure.
About 3 mm thinner in each bushing (which is a lot). I thought I fucked the bushings over but I boiled them again and they got back to the original shape.

I guess this method could help people to reduce the high of the bushing without having to shave them down.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on September 30, 2019, 12:08:08 AM
Quote from: Sk.A.T.A.N on September 29, 2019, 11:00:45 PM
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Has anyone ever noticed how the aftermarket Indy conicals have a taller bottom bushing than stock? Changes the geo and I can’t even get the kingpin nut on when I put it all together. ???
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I'm 95% sure it's from the stocks sitting, compressed and tightened, for however many days/months/years before they get to the customer. Whereas the aftermarkets never touch truck before you buy them. Just tighten them down and ride them flush for a week.
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This!

Also, I got a set of Indy aftermarkets this weekend and to break them in faster I tried the boiling thing.
So what I did is that I took them from the boiling water straight to the truck, tighten them super hard and stood on my skateboard while balancing back and forth to soften them up. Then I left them over night, and in the morning I loosen the trucks to flush which is what I usually ride.
Conclusion, they where way tooo loose. The bushings actually got thinner because of the heat and preasure.
About 3 mm thinner in each bushing (which is a lot). I thought I fucked the bushings over but I boiled them again and they got back to the original shape.

I guess this method could help people to reduce the high of the bushing without having to shave them down.

Haha! 😂 This is some rob level truck fuckery! I love it! 👌🤦‍♂️❤️👍
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: brwrxstl on September 30, 2019, 07:20:21 AM
So I've been skating the just straight up Indy 139 since 2009 and now all of a sudden I'm really struggling on them 😬 I went through three sets of bushings on my last set this spring and none of them took, and then I went ahead and got new trucks and have been having the same issues (with both the stock and after market bushings).

Like I just can't get the bushings set comfortably anymore😭 but now because I've felt so uncomfortable on them that they feel too high or something. They just don't feel stable.

So I'm considering getting the Indy Lows now that they're selling those again. Has anybody had any experience with those? I mean from a turning standpoint they're gonna be better than Ventures right?

Ultimately I'm probably gonna jump to Thunders but want to rule out maybe just needing lower trucks first. It's just frustrating because for 10 years trucks were the last thing I've had issues with.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 30, 2019, 07:56:59 AM
I think Indy low is being discontinued in place of a mid....thunders are lower so that might be the best way out...the other thing to consider is just sizing up to 44's so it just feels less tippy and maybe better proportioned. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on September 30, 2019, 09:27:56 AM
Advice needed from the setup/truck wizards:

I’ve always struggled (more) on 149s. They look cool, feel great, turn, more stable, all of that is rad. Cannot get them to turnover/flip/rotate. I usually get pretty bummed, and switch, manically, back n forth between a bunch of other things. I’ll skate lo’s, small boards, big boards, flip/flop. I like the pop of an Indy (I realize that most of my truck fuckery centers around on the ‘pop feel’ of the truck), ease of a venture, I’ll randomly have great days on thunder....I’m generally just trying to skate some flat ground, but also push through the city. Being able to occasionally skate a wheel 52mm and up with out instant wheelbite is nice, as is the bigger board for the cruisin.

Has anyone that moved to 5.6/144/148 been really stoked and felt like that was the move? I generally want to skate boards 7.9-8.3 ish. I’m old, this should be settled. Every skate day (once/twice a week) on something different isn’t helping.

Please and thanks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: What a find on September 30, 2019, 09:35:44 AM
Generally yes, size down if you feel the need

Ultimately the real answer is (Ace on 56's) strengthen your lower body and keep what you have


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on September 30, 2019, 09:50:46 AM
I skate 8.0 with 8.25 trucks, I love it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on September 30, 2019, 10:03:25 AM
Thanks for the replies.
I agree that the lower body needs to strengthen, and Ollies with 56mm wheels are way better. Everything else not so much.
BBK: I’ll lrolly go that route. In the last you’ve seemed fairly truck agnostic, what’s current preferred?

Has anyone felt like a truck size was too big, but then bought it in a lighter offering (titanium) and then it felt right? Does lighter shit mean you can skate bigger sizes is what I’m trying to say. Anyways. Carry on, and thanks for any opinions
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on September 30, 2019, 10:13:27 AM
Glad I’m not the only one who has that aftermarket Indy problem. I’ll just keep the new higher quality stocks in, they’re fine.

To the gentleman saying his 139’s are feeling tippy and not suiting you well, I recommend just grabbing the forged versions. I’m on the Ti 139’s and they’re amazing fully stock, they’ll sit a little lower and won’t feel tippy. If you’ve been used to Indy this is your safest bet instead of switching to Thunder which sit really low and won’t turn as good.

To the other gentleman, I’ve been riding huge Ace 55’s and 66’s on 9” boards all summer and I went all the way down to a 8.25” board with the Ti 139’s and it wasn’t hard to get used to at all. Gotta aim a little higher for grinds on transition and hop up on that curb more centered when you’re slappying but the lightness and overall more maneuverability is a huge advantage with a smaller board/light truck set-up. No risers and I’m running 56mm wheels. Feels perfect all-around.

Edit: I also wanna say when you’re going up to 8.75”-9.0” boards with the wider trucks to fit, even if you’re on Ace’s the naturally longer wheelbase on those board sizes and the wider trucks will slow that turn down compared to a 8.0”-8.25” deck/truck. I suspect if I had 8.5” Indy’s on this board I wouldn’t like it as much. Wide might feel more stable but for me I get more turn out of a skinner set-up and I don’t feel any less stable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on September 30, 2019, 11:10:43 AM
Quote from: Ok on September 30, 2019, 10:03:25 AM
Thanks for the replies.
 
BBK: I’ll lrolly go that route. In the last you’ve seemed fairly truck agnostic, what’s current preferred?

I'm still skating my mag destructo d1's, but I've wanted 8.25ish trucks for a couple years, ever since I got my first pair of 5.5/8.18 theeve, it just makes sense to me, having the wheels pretty much flush with the board instead of the axle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on September 30, 2019, 11:34:27 AM
Quote from: bbk on September 30, 2019, 11:10:43 AM
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Thanks for the replies.
 
BBK: I’ll lrolly go that route. In the last you’ve seemed fairly truck agnostic, what’s current preferred?

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I'm still skating my mag destructo d1's, but I've wanted 8.25ish trucks for a couple years, ever since I got my first pair of 5.5/8.18 theeve, it just makes sense to me, having the wheels pretty much flush with the board instead of the axle.

Cool, thanks.
Appreciate you being able to decipher my autocorrect nonsense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 30, 2019, 12:33:44 PM
i held down the over 40 under 8 program for the first half but now I've sized up to 148 thunders. I like it...an 8.125 feels like an 8....an 8.25 feels like an 8.25....

The thunders are lower and feel less bulky and I skate smaller wheels 51's so it's a well balanced set up.  To me that's always something to consider is that you can make 148's/144's feel nimble if you switch up a few things....I just did it namely though because 8's were getting tougher to get. 

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on September 30, 2019, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: Ok on September 30, 2019, 09:27:56 AM
Advice needed from the setup/truck wizards:

I’ve always struggled (more) on 149s. They look cool, feel great, turn, more stable, all of that is rad. Cannot get them to turnover/flip/rotate. I usually get pretty bummed, and switch, manically, back n forth between a bunch of other things. I’ll skate lo’s, small boards, big boards, flip/flop. I like the pop of an Indy (I realize that most of my truck fuckery centers around on the ‘pop feel’ of the truck), ease of a venture, I’ll randomly have great days on thunder....I’m generally just trying to skate some flat ground, but also push through the city. Being able to occasionally skate a wheel 52mm and up with out instant wheelbite is nice, as is the bigger board for the cruisin.

Has anyone that moved to 5.6/144/148 been really stoked and felt like that was the move? I generally want to skate boards 7.9-8.3 ish. I’m old, this should be settled. Every skate day (once/twice a week) on something different isn’t helping.

Please and thanks.

Have you tried lighter - moving to the Ti version of the trucks?  Seems like with both Indy and Thunder the Ti version 149 is lighter than the normal 144/148
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on September 30, 2019, 02:52:19 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 30, 2019, 12:33:44 PM
i held down the over 40 under 8 program for the first half but now I've sized up to 148 thunders. I like it...an 8.125 feels like an 8....an 8.25 feels like an 8.25....

The thunders are lower and feel less bulky and I skate smaller wheels 51's so it's a well balanced set up.  To me that's always something to consider is that you can make 148's/144's feel nimble if you switch up a few things....I just did it namely though because 8's were getting tougher to get.

Agree totally with first paragraph.

I think I’ll try something in titanium 8.25

Thanks ya’ll
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on September 30, 2019, 04:09:10 PM
I watched the Ben Degros Grind King video and saw the axle length on the 5.5 is 8.125. 

 It turns out the 6.0 is an odd size as well - 8.625"

https://www.strange-house.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_104&products_id=9466

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on September 30, 2019, 04:25:56 PM
Anyone have any opinions on Thunders for a tranny skater? Wanting to round out my skating a bit more, more ledges and rails ect but still want to be comfy skating tranny since that’s what I like best. Thinking of putting them on my Baker 8.5 14.5wb with 56 Conical Fulls. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 30, 2019, 08:32:13 PM
They don't carve as well as an Indy or an Ace....but they are stable...you'll just get used to them I think but if you ditched them and got on indys you wouldn't be bummed....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on September 30, 2019, 08:45:46 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 30, 2019, 08:32:13 PM
They don't carve as well as an Indy or an Ace....but they are stable...you'll just get used to them I think but if you ditched them and got on indys you wouldn't be bummed....

Skated Indy for 10 years, time for a change. Not a fan of stage 11. On Aces now, while I don’t hate them, I want a wider truck and 44’s aren’t cutting it and 55’s aren’t my favourite. Plus trying to step up some tech stuff is my reason for even thinking about Thunders. Maybe I’ll try my old 149 Thunders with extra washers before I buy some 151’s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on September 30, 2019, 08:55:11 PM
Quote from: texasplant on September 30, 2019, 08:45:46 PM
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They don't carve as well as an Indy or an Ace....but they are stable...you'll just get used to them I think but if you ditched them and got on indys you wouldn't be bummed....
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Skated Indy for 10 years, time for a change. Not a fan of stage 11. On Aces now, while I don’t hate them, I want a wider truck and 44’s aren’t cutting it and 55’s aren’t my favourite. Plus trying to step up some tech stuff is my reason for even thinking about Thunders. Maybe I’ll try my old 149 Thunders with extra washers before I buy some 151’s.

Ace has new sizes coming out sometime in Nov/Dec.   Rumors are a real 8.5 and an additional 8.75.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on September 30, 2019, 09:46:59 PM
Quote from: backinaction on September 30, 2019, 04:09:10 PM
I watched the Ben Degros Grind King video and saw the axle length on the 5.5 is 8.125. 

 It turns out the 6.0 is an odd size as well - 8.625"

https://www.strange-house.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_104&products_id=9466

I kinda wanna test those out.  :-X
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HyenaChaser on September 30, 2019, 10:22:24 PM
Aces are the vegan of truck set-ups
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on October 01, 2019, 02:56:07 AM
Quote from: texasplant on September 30, 2019, 04:25:56 PM
Anyone have any opinions on Thunders for a tranny skater? Wanting to round out my skating a bit more, more ledges and rails ect but still want to be comfy skating tranny since that’s what I like best. Thinking of putting them on my Baker 8.5 14.5wb with 56 Conical Fulls. Any thoughts?

i'd say i'm more competent at skating transition than anything else and have skated thunders for 3/4 years. might wanna loosen them up a little as obviously you wont be hitting as deep/quick carves as say indy, ace etc with stock thunders but you'll have no issues. will definitely want to put risers on there though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on October 01, 2019, 04:12:45 AM
Quote from: backinaction on September 30, 2019, 04:09:10 PM
I watched the Ben Degros Grind King video and saw the axle length on the 5.5 is 8.125. 

 It turns out the 6.0 is an odd size as well - 8.625"

https://www.strange-house.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_104&products_id=9466

I mentioned this in another thread but after watching his vid I'd say it's likely that they're being made by the same people as tensor. They share a few of the same quirks - the weird in-between axle sizes, the recessed bushing seat in the baseplates, and the squeaky pivot cups. I could be wrong but it just seems like they have a lot in common. If anyone has both I'd interested to hear what you think about that theory.

Just got my first pair of mini-logo 8.38s in the mail. Going to try them out once I get up and moving but they're pretty much what I was expecting. Weight was 342.6 grams for one truck and 342.7 for the other, so pretty light for a 8.38 solid axle truck. They do have a massive cavity in the baseplate which is probably where most of the weight savings comes from. Going to start with the stock bushings and see how I get along with them then change if needed. Interestingly these also have a recessed bushing seat in the baseplate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 01, 2019, 08:43:39 AM
Quote from: HyenaChaser on September 30, 2019, 10:22:24 PM
Aces are the vegan of truck set-ups

Hahahaha, in that whomever doing it, will announce unprovoked? True true
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 01, 2019, 08:45:46 AM
Quote from: texasplant on September 30, 2019, 04:25:56 PM
Anyone have any opinions on Thunders for a tranny skater? Wanting to round out my skating a bit more, more ledges and rails ect but still want to be comfy skating tranny since that’s what I like best. Thinking of putting them on my Baker 8.5 14.5wb with 56 Conical Fulls. Any thoughts?

Thunders are just fine on tranny. Mine are broken in to shot though....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on October 01, 2019, 04:47:18 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 01, 2019, 08:45:46 AM
Quote from: texasplant on September 30, 2019, 04:25:56 PM
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Anyone have any opinions on Thunders for a tranny skater? Wanting to round out my skating a bit more, more ledges and rails ect but still want to be comfy skating tranny since that’s what I like best. Thinking of putting them on my Baker 8.5 14.5wb with 56 Conical Fulls. Any thoughts?
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Thunders are just fine on tranny. Mine are broken in to shot though....

Thunders are fine on tranny, just know they slight extend your wheelbase, and 14.5 is already on the long side
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 01, 2019, 07:59:23 PM
Guys I’m back

Been working again and trying to pay my bills and dues

But I did get some skating in here and there and made a discovery once again in myself

Turns out I have way more consistency and flow riding medium loose

I thought I liked low and medium tight

Turns out it was just me trying to live in the past

Was riding the royal standard 5.25 and they were really good, pops quick and solid like Mikey C wanted them to be designed. Very good for flip tricks.

Then I got madness and threw on my ace 03 lows, they were hard to get tight cause aces aren’t made to be tight but I managed with some bones hards and it was alright, not the best the aces could have been

Then a few nights ago on a quiver setup that I use for my standard height trucks I had my ace 44 classics on and only tightened them flush, maybe 1 thread over but no more

Brought it with me on a flat sesh to break the rust and didn’t have a tool to tighten them

So I man’d Up, didn’t kook out and skated them as they are and man oh man was it a good sesh

Loving those 44 classics, can’t wait to grab a set of the new ones in December

The way they were loose was just right, unlike Indy’s they rebound and bounce back to a certain stability so you can actually get a nice pop on tricks

Just ordered some destructo d1 standards and gonna see how those turn out, hopefully they aren’t too tall and heavy

Anyone know the height of the current destructo d1?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AssFlea on October 01, 2019, 08:07:55 PM
Quote from: Roisto on September 30, 2019, 09:46:59 PM
Quote from: backinaction on September 30, 2019, 04:09:10 PM
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I watched the Ben Degros Grind King video and saw the axle length on the 5.5 is 8.125. 

 It turns out the 6.0 is an odd size as well - 8.625"

https://www.strange-house.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_104&products_id=9466
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I kinda wanna test those out.  :-X

 I hope to score a set this winter. I just have no cash and have lots of extra shit rn.

GK is the only non thunder truck I rode back in the. I had GK king pins before that.

I'm hoping a homie will buy a set and then trade me for a set of Indys. I have like 2 pairs and a set of thunder and I'm on aces rn.
I'm stocked up for the next 2 years easily
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 50mm on October 01, 2019, 09:52:40 PM
Thunders are the fucking shit. I put in my old Indy bushing when I got them because the stock ones seemed so shitty. I put them back on over the weekend just for fun and skating today they felt so much better. I wonder if the geometry was off without the stock ones because now with them in I couldn’t help just turning in circles forever. It felt so fluid. I have never had a board feel so smooth.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 01, 2019, 10:01:08 PM
Quote from: 50mm on October 01, 2019, 09:52:40 PM
Thunders are the fucking shit. I put in my old Indy bushing when I got them because the stock ones seemed so shitty. I put them back on over the weekend just for fun and skating today they felt so much better. I wonder if the geometry was off without the stock ones because now with them in I couldn’t help just turning in circles forever. It felt so fluid. I have never had a board feel so smooth.

Which thunders? I just went out on some 147s, they definitely wheelbite pretty easy even with 50mm wheels....but the kickflips were nice
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 50mm on October 01, 2019, 10:08:59 PM
Quote from: Ok on October 01, 2019, 10:01:08 PM
Quote from: 50mm on October 01, 2019, 09:52:40 PM
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Thunders are the fucking shit. I put in my old Indy bushing when I got them because the stock ones seemed so shitty. I put them back on over the weekend just for fun and skating today they felt so much better. I wonder if the geometry was off without the stock ones because now with them in I couldn’t help just turning in circles forever. It felt so fluid. I have never had a board feel so smooth.
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Which thunders? I just went out on some 147s, they definitely wheelbite pretty easy even with 50mm wheels....but the kickflips were nice
149’s. I got a deck with steep concave and I just put on some 51mm tablet form 4s. I haven’t been able to do too many tricks because I’m just coming back from an injury. I might get some risers but I need to try again after tightening them up some. Forgot my tool today after putting the bushing back on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 01, 2019, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: 50mm on October 01, 2019, 10:08:59 PM
Quote from: Ok on October 01, 2019, 10:01:08 PM
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Thunders are the fucking shit. I put in my old Indy bushing when I got them because the stock ones seemed so shitty. I put them back on over the weekend just for fun and skating today they felt so much better. I wonder if the geometry was off without the stock ones because now with them in I couldn’t help just turning in circles forever. It felt so fluid. I have never had a board feel so smooth.
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Which thunders? I just went out on some 147s, they definitely wheelbite pretty easy even with 50mm wheels....but the kickflips were nice
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149’s. I got a deck with steep concave and I just put on some 51mm tablet form 4s. I haven’t been able to do too many tricks because I’m just coming back from an injury. I might get some risers but I need to try again after tightening them up some. Forgot my tool today after putting the bushing back on.

I’ve never found the best thunder risers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 50mm on October 01, 2019, 10:28:35 PM
Quote from: Ok on October 01, 2019, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: 50mm on October 01, 2019, 10:08:59 PM
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Thunders are the fucking shit. I put in my old Indy bushing when I got them because the stock ones seemed so shitty. I put them back on over the weekend just for fun and skating today they felt so much better. I wonder if the geometry was off without the stock ones because now with them in I couldn’t help just turning in circles forever. It felt so fluid. I have never had a board feel so smooth.
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Which thunders? I just went out on some 147s, they definitely wheelbite pretty easy even with 50mm wheels....but the kickflips were nice
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149’s. I got a deck with steep concave and I just put on some 51mm tablet form 4s. I haven’t been able to do too many tricks because I’m just coming back from an injury. I might get some risers but I need to try again after tightening them up some. Forgot my tool today after putting the bushing back on.
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I’ve never found the best thunder risers.
I haven’t used risers at all in like 20 years.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on October 01, 2019, 10:36:55 PM
Quote from: Ok on October 01, 2019, 10:01:08 PM
Quote from: 50mm on October 01, 2019, 09:52:40 PM
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Thunders are the fucking shit. I put in my old Indy bushing when I got them because the stock ones seemed so shitty. I put them back on over the weekend just for fun and skating today they felt so much better. I wonder if the geometry was off without the stock ones because now with them in I couldn’t help just turning in circles forever. It felt so fluid. I have never had a board feel so smooth.
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Which thunders? I just went out on some 147s, they definitely wheelbite pretty easy even with 50mm wheels....but the kickflips were nice

is it just me, or do you get these deep gashes in the bushing seat of the hanger? like, when you turn, the top washer maxes out. and cuts into the hanger. that’s why I always go crazy when I get thunders (147’s) I tried putting bones in there with a flat top washer, but they turn all weird.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on October 02, 2019, 05:46:25 AM
just do stock bushings with bones washer, that is how i avoid already cut bushings from getting worse.

the turn will feel a little looser, but good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chaos Acoustic on October 02, 2019, 05:52:18 AM
Quote from: Ok on October 01, 2019, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: 50mm on October 01, 2019, 10:08:59 PM
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Thunders are the fucking shit. I put in my old Indy bushing when I got them because the stock ones seemed so shitty. I put them back on over the weekend just for fun and skating today they felt so much better. I wonder if the geometry was off without the stock ones because now with them in I couldn’t help just turning in circles forever. It felt so fluid. I have never had a board feel so smooth.
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Which thunders? I just went out on some 147s, they definitely wheelbite pretty easy even with 50mm wheels....but the kickflips were nice
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149’s. I got a deck with steep concave and I just put on some 51mm tablet form 4s. I haven’t been able to do too many tricks because I’m just coming back from an injury. I might get some risers but I need to try again after tightening them up some. Forgot my tool today after putting the bushing back on.
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I’ve never found the best thunder risers.
BONES risers for Thunder. They have the slots and they don’t hang over past the baseplate at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on October 02, 2019, 08:22:10 AM
Quote from: Chaos Acoustic on October 02, 2019, 05:52:18 AM
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Thunders are the fucking shit. I put in my old Indy bushing when I got them because the stock ones seemed so shitty. I put them back on over the weekend just for fun and skating today they felt so much better. I wonder if the geometry was off without the stock ones because now with them in I couldn’t help just turning in circles forever. It felt so fluid. I have never had a board feel so smooth.
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Which thunders? I just went out on some 147s, they definitely wheelbite pretty easy even with 50mm wheels....but the kickflips were nice
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149’s. I got a deck with steep concave and I just put on some 51mm tablet form 4s. I haven’t been able to do too many tricks because I’m just coming back from an injury. I might get some risers but I need to try again after tightening them up some. Forgot my tool today after putting the bushing back on.
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I’ve never found the best thunder risers.
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BONES risers for Thunder. They have the slots and they don’t hang over past the baseplate at all.
Bones ones are my favorite. Thunder ones are slotted so they work fine.
I have bones cause I run kurx DL king pins in thunder Ti so need a little extra room and cut a groove between the ears.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on October 02, 2019, 10:35:05 AM
Quote from: Ok on October 01, 2019, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: 50mm on October 01, 2019, 10:08:59 PM
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Thunders are the fucking shit. I put in my old Indy bushing when I got them because the stock ones seemed so shitty. I put them back on over the weekend just for fun and skating today they felt so much better. I wonder if the geometry was off without the stock ones because now with them in I couldn’t help just turning in circles forever. It felt so fluid. I have never had a board feel so smooth.
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Which thunders? I just went out on some 147s, they definitely wheelbite pretty easy even with 50mm wheels....but the kickflips were nice
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149’s. I got a deck with steep concave and I just put on some 51mm tablet form 4s. I haven’t been able to do too many tricks because I’m just coming back from an injury. I might get some risers but I need to try again after tightening them up some. Forgot my tool today after putting the bushing back on.
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I’ve never found the best thunder risers.

How about…                   Thunder Risers?
https://thedayoff.fi/tuote/thunder-1-8-riser-black/

Bones work nicely too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on October 02, 2019, 10:45:17 AM
Am I the only person who likes Thunder forged plates? Never felt a need for anything higher. I actually don't think I have even touched the kingpin nuts on my Ti Hollow Lites.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lashes2ashes on October 02, 2019, 10:23:09 PM
So I’m not a expert on trucks at all, so I thought I would ask all the truck nerds. I ride my axle nuts as tight as possible. I have noticed some times one of my wheels won’t free spin very good, if I loosen it up it’s fine and after a couple days I can crank it back down tight. Any clue what’s going on? I don’t think my axle is slipping? Also I know some people like to use more than two speed rings per wheel, I know the main reason is to control were the wheel sits on the axle, but out side of that is there any other advantage to say doubling up on the speed rings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on October 02, 2019, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: Lashes2ashes on October 02, 2019, 10:23:09 PM
So I’m not a expert on trucks at all, so I thought I would ask all the truck nerds. I ride my axle nuts as tight as possible. I have noticed some times one of my wheels won’t free spin very good, if I loosen it up it’s fine and after a couple days I can crank it back down tight. Any clue what’s going on? I don’t think my axle is slipping? Also I know some people like to use more than two speed rings per wheel, I know the main reason is to control were the wheel sits on the axle, but out side of that is there any other advantage to say doubling up on the speed rings?

Slightly more truck space to lock into grinds.

It does sound like axle slippage. Are you riding Aces? Axle slip is a big problem they have.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AssFlea on October 02, 2019, 10:31:29 PM
Quote from: Lashes2ashes on October 02, 2019, 10:23:09 PM
So I’m not a expert on trucks at all, so I thought I would ask all the truck nerds. I ride my axle nuts as tight as possible. I have noticed some times one of my wheels won’t free spin very good, if I loosen it up it’s fine and after a couple days I can crank it back down tight. Any clue what’s going on? I don’t think my axle is slipping? Also I know some people like to use more than two speed rings per wheel, I know the main reason is to control were the wheel sits on the axle, but out side of that is there any other advantage to say doubling up on the speed rings?

try lubing up the axle before before you ride the nuts cranking it first will just be spinning the wheels doubles is a must

Shawing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lashes2ashes on October 02, 2019, 11:03:16 PM
Quote from: yourbreakfsat on October 02, 2019, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: Lashes2ashes on October 02, 2019, 10:23:09 PM
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So I’m not a expert on trucks at all, so I thought I would ask all the truck nerds. I ride my axle nuts as tight as possible. I have noticed some times one of my wheels won’t free spin very good, if I loosen it up it’s fine and after a couple days I can crank it back down tight. Any clue what’s going on? I don’t think my axle is slipping? Also I know some people like to use more than two speed rings per wheel, I know the main reason is to control were the wheel sits on the axle, but out side of that is there any other advantage to say doubling up on the speed rings?
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Slightly more truck space to lock into grinds.

It does sound like axle slippage. Are you riding Aces? Axle slip is a big problem they have.
nope, there independent lows from I think 2016? I have a set on indi titanium on the way here so I will see if they do it also. I can’t stand having sideways play in my wheels, I can actually feel them shifting when skating transition and it throws me off my game.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on October 02, 2019, 11:25:26 PM
Quote from: yourbreakfsat on October 02, 2019, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: Lashes2ashes on October 02, 2019, 10:23:09 PM
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So I’m not a expert on trucks at all, so I thought I would ask all the truck nerds. I ride my axle nuts as tight as possible. I have noticed some times one of my wheels won’t free spin very good, if I loosen it up it’s fine and after a couple days I can crank it back down tight. Any clue what’s going on? I don’t think my axle is slipping? Also I know some people like to use more than two speed rings per wheel, I know the main reason is to control were the wheel sits on the axle, but out side of that is there any other advantage to say doubling up on the speed rings?
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Slightly more truck space to lock into grinds.

It does sound like axle slippage. Are you riding Aces? Axle slip is a big problem they have.

Really? Of the many problems that get brought up about Aces I don't recall hearing much about axles slipping.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on October 02, 2019, 11:36:26 PM
Quote from: palelight on October 02, 2019, 11:25:26 PM
Quote from: yourbreakfsat on October 02, 2019, 10:29:40 PM
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Quote from: Lashes2ashes on October 02, 2019, 10:23:09 PM
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So I’m not a expert on trucks at all, so I thought I would ask all the truck nerds. I ride my axle nuts as tight as possible. I have noticed some times one of my wheels won’t free spin very good, if I loosen it up it’s fine and after a couple days I can crank it back down tight. Any clue what’s going on? I don’t think my axle is slipping? Also I know some people like to use more than two speed rings per wheel, I know the main reason is to control were the wheel sits on the axle, but out side of that is there any other advantage to say doubling up on the speed rings?
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Slightly more truck space to lock into grinds.

It does sound like axle slippage. Are you riding Aces? Axle slip is a big problem they have.
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Really? Of the many problems that get brought up about Aces I don't recall hearing much about axles slipping.

Yeah, my friend loves Aces but he's always slamming the axle back into place.

This is with really skated Aces tho, and I think cracked baseplates/hangers overshadow axle slippage since you really can't fixed cracked equipment.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on October 03, 2019, 03:07:57 AM
Quote from: Lashes2ashes on October 02, 2019, 10:23:09 PM
So I’m not a expert on trucks at all, so I thought I would ask all the truck nerds. I ride my axle nuts as tight as possible. I have noticed some times one of my wheels won’t free spin very good, if I loosen it up it’s fine and after a couple days I can crank it back down tight. Any clue what’s going on? I don’t think my axle is slipping? Also I know some people like to use more than two speed rings per wheel, I know the main reason is to control were the wheel sits on the axle, but out side of that is there any other advantage to say doubling up on the speed rings?

Are you running bearing shields? If I had to guess I'd say the pressure from the axle nut could be pushing the shields in stopping them from free spinning, and once that pressures released they'll return to their original form and allow it to spin again. Lost count of the times I've heard people say their bearings are fucked, only for it to be the shields. Last year a kid gave me a set of "fucked" Spitfire bearings that "didn't spin" as he was gonna toss them, popped the shields off and they spun fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on October 03, 2019, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: Lashes2ashes on October 02, 2019, 10:23:09 PM
So I’m not a expert on trucks at all, so I thought I would ask all the truck nerds. I ride my axle nuts as tight as possible. I have noticed some times one of my wheels won’t free spin very good, if I loosen it up it’s fine and after a couple days I can crank it back down tight. Any clue what’s going on? I don’t think my axle is slipping? Also I know some people like to use more than two speed rings per wheel, I know the main reason is to control were the wheel sits on the axle, but out side of that is there any other advantage to say doubling up on the speed rings?

are you using bearing spacers?

what trucks do you have aswell
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: What a find on October 03, 2019, 07:48:11 PM
Bearings moving in the wheels rite

Just keep doing what you're doing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lashes2ashes on October 03, 2019, 11:39:41 PM
They were independent Low from a couple of years ago. But it’s all good now, just bought independent titanium and so far I’m not having any issue. I threw two speed rings between the hanger and the wheel and the normal one between wheel and nut, Wheels seem to spin fine. Now if my muscle memory would get used to taller trucks and if I did not need to break in bushings I would be golden. Went to throw down on a steep bank today, back foot instead of landing on the tail just hit the tip of the tail, and of course my front foot was already on so down the bank I go on one foot. Some how I did not slip out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on October 04, 2019, 12:20:19 AM
Quote from: Lashes2ashes on October 03, 2019, 11:39:41 PM
They were independent Low from a couple of years ago. But it’s all good now, just bought independent titanium and so far I’m not having any issue. I threw two speed rings between the hanger and the wheel and the normal one between wheel and nut, Wheels seem to spin fine. Now if my muscle memory would get used to taller trucks and if I did not need to break in bushings I would be golden. Went to throw down on a steep bank today, back foot instead of landing on the tail just hit the tip of the tail, and of course my front foot was already on so down the bank I go on one foot. Some how I did not slip out.

id pay an ETN 1 month subscription to see this
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on October 04, 2019, 07:10:07 AM
Quote from: Lashes2ashes on October 02, 2019, 10:23:09 PM
So I’m not a expert on trucks at all, so I thought I would ask all the truck nerds. I ride my axle nuts as tight as possible. I have noticed some times one of my wheels won’t free spin very good, if I loosen it up it’s fine and after a couple days I can crank it back down tight. Any clue what’s going on? I don’t think my axle is slipping? Also I know some people like to use more than two speed rings per wheel, I know the main reason is to control were the wheel sits on the axle, but out side of that is there any other advantage to say doubling up on the speed rings?
I think your bearings might be slipping out of the seat of your wheels. It happens to my tablets sometimes when I go powerslide crazy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AssFlea on October 04, 2019, 01:02:32 PM
Quote from: Firebert on October 04, 2019, 07:10:07 AM
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So I’m not a expert on trucks at all, so I thought I would ask all the truck nerds. I ride my axle nuts as tight as possible. I have noticed some times one of my wheels won’t free spin very good, if I loosen it up it’s fine and after a couple days I can crank it back down tight. Any clue what’s going on? I don’t think my axle is slipping? Also I know some people like to use more than two speed rings per wheel, I know the main reason is to control were the wheel sits on the axle, but out side of that is there any other advantage to say doubling up on the speed rings?
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I think your bearings might be slipping out of the seat of your wheels. It happens to my tablets sometimes when I go powerslide crazy.

this was happening with my first set of big conical f4s

I took them back and got another set. 4 sets later No problems since.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bumpovertrash on October 04, 2019, 10:44:54 PM
Today  I got krux kingpin installed  on my                         
   thuder titanium 148
Dohdoh soft bushing on the bottom and soft thunder up top,I had to cut the lower bushing to get them as loose as I like but its nice and low and  my trucks ard grinded down alot already. They grind awesome did a bunch of frront feebs and bs smith today
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 04, 2019, 10:48:29 PM
What was the explanation for destructo and thunder drilling their holes centered rather than the traditional way?

Also just got the destructo d1 and so far, meh

They’re like trucks back in the day

The bushings get stuck on one side and need breaking in and are hard from the get go

Really loving my thunders and aces though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 04, 2019, 11:08:36 PM
Quote from: rob on October 04, 2019, 10:48:29 PM
What was the explanation for destructo and thunder drilling their holes centered rather than the traditional way?

Also just got the destructo d1 and so far, meh

They’re like trucks back in the day

The bushings get stuck on one side and need breaking in and are hard from the get go

Really loving my thunders and aces though

What’s your fave thunder?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 05, 2019, 03:56:04 AM
Quote from: Ok on October 04, 2019, 11:08:36 PM
Quote from: rob on October 04, 2019, 10:48:29 PM
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What was the explanation for destructo and thunder drilling their holes centered rather than the traditional way?

Also just got the destructo d1 and so far, meh

They’re like trucks back in the day

The bushings get stuck on one side and need breaking in and are hard from the get go

Really loving my thunders and aces though
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What’s your fave thunder?

I prefer the 147 and 148

I’m between them only because of weight

I have them both in titanium lights and they’re light as heck but sometimes I get an old gut feeling the 147 narrowness and low height makes it easier to form tricks and pop but definitely doesn’t feel as nice and stable as 148

The 148 titanium’s feel more balanced

148 ti are lighter than even 145 standards/teams, feel really stable, have good turning clearance, and work perfectly for 8-8.25

Probably gonna end up sticking to the 148 after some comparison
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on October 05, 2019, 08:00:01 AM
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What was the explanation for destructo and thunder drilling their holes centered rather than the traditional way?

Also just got the destructo d1 and so far, meh

They’re like trucks back in the day

The bushings get stuck on one side and need breaking in and are hard from the get go

Really loving my thunders and aces though
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What’s your fave thunder?
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I prefer the 147 and 148

I’m between them only because of weight

I have them both in titanium lights and they’re light as heck but sometimes I get an old gut feeling the 147 narrowness and low height makes it easier to form tricks and pop but definitely doesn’t feel as nice and stable as 148

The 148 titanium’s feel more balanced

148 ti are lighter than even 145 standards/teams, feel really stable, have good turning clearance, and work perfectly for 8-8.25

Probably gonna end up sticking to the 148 after some comparison

Let''s be honest here rob. You're not gonna stick to anything, ever.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 05, 2019, 08:05:59 AM
Quote from: Lashes2ashes on October 02, 2019, 10:23:09 PM
So I’m not a expert on trucks at all, so I thought I would ask all the truck nerds. I ride my axle nuts as tight as possible. I have noticed some times one of my wheels won’t free spin very good, if I loosen it up it’s fine and after a couple days I can crank it back down tight. Any clue what’s going on? I don’t think my axle is slipping? Also I know some people like to use more than two speed rings per wheel, I know the main reason is to control were the wheel sits on the axle, but out side of that is there any other advantage to say doubling up on the speed rings?

It's just how it is, stuff shifts around if there's room.  If you're into riding things tight here is the correct answer:

Bones Race reds, Bones wheels, tiny bit of grease inside of wheel so bearings go in perfectly.  Crank it down. 

Pros: you have achieved perfection
Cons: your wheels make no noise when sliding, your wheels sound like they are soft, your board sounds dead. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on October 06, 2019, 05:50:05 AM
Noticed yesterday that I’m getting axle slip in my Indy’s. They are almost 2 years old but I thought this was a problem from the past. Haven’t had this since my last pair of ace’s 5 years ago and it’s the most annoying thing! I saw that Indy has lifetime warranty for this, but has anyone had success with making a claim? I thought I was gonna grind this fuckers to the axle.  :'(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on October 06, 2019, 06:41:09 AM
Snagged the 6.0 Grind Kinds.  The quality looks great and I'm looking forward to trying them out.  I'm still a month away from being able to even ollie so I wont be able to do any real world testing for a bit

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48850403727_f64182a3c7_z.jpg)
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 06, 2019, 07:32:56 AM
Feel free to just give us updates anyhow......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on October 06, 2019, 08:49:18 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on October 06, 2019, 06:41:09 AM
Snagged the 6.0 Grind Kinds.  The quality looks great and I'm looking forward to trying them out.  I'm still a month away from being able to even ollie so I wont be able to do any real world testing for a bit

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48850403727_f64182a3c7_z.jpg)
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😂
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on October 06, 2019, 01:58:20 PM
how can you continue using a set of baseplates when the mounting holes are fucked?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on October 06, 2019, 03:28:13 PM
Quote from: anon on October 06, 2019, 01:58:20 PM
how can you continue using a set of baseplates when the mounting holes are fucked?

How good are you with tools?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on October 06, 2019, 05:59:45 PM
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how can you continue using a set of baseplates when the mounting holes are fucked?
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How good are you with tools?
not very, but i'm curious as to what you were gonna suggest
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on October 06, 2019, 06:32:09 PM
Quote from: anon on October 06, 2019, 05:59:45 PM
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how can you continue using a set of baseplates when the mounting holes are fucked?
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How good are you with tools?
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not very, but i'm curious as to what you were gonna suggest

Only did it once for buddy, he was moderately pleased with the results. Basically you take a railing cable insert (https://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Protector-Sleeves-Railing-Hardware/dp/B07C7FQWPV/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=railing+protector+cable&qid=1570411561&sr=8-8) and drill out the fucked holes on your baseplate so you can insert these through the new-sized hole. The flared end sits on top of your plate and you cut and file the insert a little shorter than flush where it would sit against your deck. Might need 1 1/4" bolts to make it work, but everything goes back together like normal. Think of it like an integrated washer.

It takes some doing but if you're mechanically inclined and have a good hardware store near you, you should be able to salvage them for less than 10 bucks.

Apologies if any of that was incomprehensible.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 06, 2019, 07:18:02 PM
Quote from: Roisto on October 05, 2019, 08:00:01 AM
Quote from: rob on October 05, 2019, 03:56:04 AM
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What was the explanation for destructo and thunder drilling their holes centered rather than the traditional way?

Also just got the destructo d1 and so far, meh

They’re like trucks back in the day

The bushings get stuck on one side and need breaking in and are hard from the get go

Really loving my thunders and aces though
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What’s your fave thunder?
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I prefer the 147 and 148

I’m between them only because of weight

I have them both in titanium lights and they’re light as heck but sometimes I get an old gut feeling the 147 narrowness and low height makes it easier to form tricks and pop but definitely doesn’t feel as nice and stable as 148

The 148 titanium’s feel more balanced

148 ti are lighter than even 145 standards/teams, feel really stable, have good turning clearance, and work perfectly for 8-8.25

Probably gonna end up sticking to the 148 after some comparison
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Let''s be honest here rob. You're not gonna stick to anything, ever.


Ahahaha I guess the verdict is in

I am an indecisive truck kook Ahahaha


You sound just like my best pal I skate with

Every time I say Ive found the trucks it’s a lie

Ahahahhaha you got me it’s true

I’ll try to stick to the 148 but man these aces

Superb!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on October 06, 2019, 07:31:11 PM
Quote from: palelight on October 06, 2019, 06:32:09 PM
Only did it once for buddy, he was moderately pleased with the results. Basically you take a railing cable insert (https://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Protector-Sleeves-Railing-Hardware/dp/B07C7FQWPV/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=railing+protector+cable&qid=1570411561&sr=8-8) and drill out the fucked holes on your baseplate so you can insert these through the new-sized hole. The flared end sits on top of your plate and you cut and file the insert a little shorter than flush where it would sit against your deck. Might need 1 1/4" bolts to make it work, but everything goes back together like normal. Think of it like an integrated washer.

It takes some doing but if you're mechanically inclined and have a good hardware store near you, you should be able to salvage them for less than 10 bucks.

Apologies if any of that was incomprehensible.
pretty cool. haven't got the tools, but it's interesting to see what solutions those who are mechanically inclined have come up with
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on October 07, 2019, 07:14:49 PM
Quote from: anon on October 06, 2019, 07:31:11 PM
Quote from: palelight on October 06, 2019, 06:32:09 PM
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Only did it once for buddy, he was moderately pleased with the results. Basically you take a railing cable insert (https://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Protector-Sleeves-Railing-Hardware/dp/B07C7FQWPV/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=railing+protector+cable&qid=1570411561&sr=8-8) and drill out the fucked holes on your baseplate so you can insert these through the new-sized hole. The flared end sits on top of your plate and you cut and file the insert a little shorter than flush where it would sit against your deck. Might need 1 1/4" bolts to make it work, but everything goes back together like normal. Think of it like an integrated washer.

It takes some doing but if you're mechanically inclined and have a good hardware store near you, you should be able to salvage them for less than 10 bucks.

Apologies if any of that was incomprehensible.
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pretty cool. haven't got the tools, but it's interesting to see what solutions those who are mechanically inclined have come up with

Yeah, lack of money and access to skateshops in a small town will compel you to do some weird shit to maintain gear. Nowadays I'd just save myself the hassle and plunk down for new stuff, but the options are there.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 07, 2019, 07:33:44 PM
I was wondering

If axle slip is such a thing why don’t they just drill holes into the axle so when they lay the axles in the mold and pour in the aluminum mixture the hangars will mold and fill into the axle holes and hold them in place

Now the axle is held in place by the material

Also why didn’t grind king come out with a 8.25 truck?

All I see is 5.0,5.5, and 6.0

And supposedly the 5.5 is an 8
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on October 07, 2019, 08:11:19 PM
I think modern axles have these spurs that stick out, lessening the chance of axle slip as it catches the hanger mold a little better but it still doesn’t prevent it entirely.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on October 07, 2019, 08:16:50 PM
All sets of Indies I have are longer on one side than the other. On the 159 hollows I can fit additional washers on one side and not on the other. Anyone know if that is supposed to be or for a reason?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on October 07, 2019, 08:34:11 PM
Brand new they’re that way? Sloppy QC. If you’ve skated them and hit the axles plenty of times, you have the dreaded slip.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on October 07, 2019, 08:37:53 PM
(http://skately.com/img/library/print/medium/grind-king-trucks-axl-2002.jpg)

I actually rode a set of these trucks back in the early 00s.

Another grind king innovation. I hope they incorporate it into their trucks in the future if this isn't featured in the current product.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on October 07, 2019, 09:00:31 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on October 07, 2019, 08:34:11 PM
Brand new they’re that way? Sloppy QC. If you’ve skated them and hit the axles plenty of times, you have the dreaded slip.

All of them had that since day one. Most noticeable on the newest set. One side has around two threads showing, the other is flush. With extra washer one is flush and the other doesn’t engage with the nylon.
Guess if there is no reason it is just sloppy...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Pissedoff30y/oskatedad on October 07, 2019, 10:32:40 PM
Quote from: jtrpma on October 07, 2019, 09:00:31 PM
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Brand new they’re that way? Sloppy QC. If you’ve skated them and hit the axles plenty of times, you have the dreaded slip.
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All of them had that since day one. Most noticeable on the newest set. One side has around two threads showing, the other is flush. With extra washer one is flush and the other doesn’t engage with the nylon.
Guess if there is no reason it is just sloppy...

Yup bought a set of Indys earlier in the yr and one specific truck has the axle way shifted to one side. Terrible QC in china but keep on being suckers and acting like they are better than ever...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: weedgod94 on October 08, 2019, 09:46:11 AM
Axle slip is a literal non-issue, just over-tighten on the side that's too short with the wheel off on the other side and it will shift back. Also use spacers so you don't explode your bearings. Any technology meant to prevent axle slip is just going to make your axles more likely to snap.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on October 08, 2019, 10:04:21 AM
Quote from: weedgod94 on October 08, 2019, 09:46:11 AM
Axle slip is a literal non-issue, just over-tighten on the side that's too short with the wheel off on the other side and it will shift back. Also use spacers so you don't explode your bearings. Any technology meant to prevent axle slip is just going to make your axles more likely to snap.
So, bring a wrench and adjust every try because that's the solution you're positing with what real axle slip is like. Tap tap tap that shit back into place gets fucking tiring. You sound like a defeatist.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: weedgod94 on October 08, 2019, 10:06:49 AM
Quote from: layzieyez on October 08, 2019, 10:04:21 AM
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Axle slip is a literal non-issue, just over-tighten on the side that's too short with the wheel off on the other side and it will shift back. Also use spacers so you don't explode your bearings. Any technology meant to prevent axle slip is just going to make your axles more likely to snap.
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So, bring a wrench and adjust every try because that's the solution you're positing with what real axle slip is like. Tap tap tap that shit back into place gets fucking tiring. You sound like a defeatist.
You do realize your axles won't slip if you just leave your wheels on with the nuts tightened, right? Get it right once and leave it forever. Stay mad I guess.

Edit: You don't use spacers, do you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on October 08, 2019, 10:12:04 AM
Quote from: weedgod94 on October 08, 2019, 10:06:49 AM
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Axle slip is a literal non-issue, just over-tighten on the side that's too short with the wheel off on the other side and it will shift back. Also use spacers so you don't explode your bearings. Any technology meant to prevent axle slip is just going to make your axles more likely to snap.
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So, bring a wrench and adjust every try because that's the solution you're positing with what real axle slip is like. Tap tap tap that shit back into place gets fucking tiring. You sound like a defeatist.
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You do realize your axles won't slip if you just leave your wheels on with the nuts tightened, right? Get it right once and leave it forever. Stay mad I guess.

Edit: You don't use spacers, do you.
Suuuuuuuuuuuure dude. Keep smoking that. It's doing wonders for your brain.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: camel filters on October 08, 2019, 10:12:22 AM
just put a set of bones mediums into my thunder 149s. no bottom washer and the top washers are the ones that come with the bushings. feels great but theres a terrible creak when i lean. does this go away or should i just wear earplugs when i skate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: weedgod94 on October 08, 2019, 10:14:32 AM
Quote from: layzieyez
Suuuuuuuuuuuure dude. Keep smoking that. It's doing wonders for your brain.
Maybe you should take a hit and relax brother

Quote from: camel filters on October 08, 2019, 10:12:22 AM
just put a set of bones mediums into my thunder 149s. no bottom washer and the top washers are the ones that come with the bushings. feels great but theres a terrible creak when i lean. does this go away or should i just wear earplugs when i skate?
You can try boiling them or lubing the kingpin but usually you just gotta wait for it to go away. It sucks. Bones don't quite fit thunders tho so the squeak might be coming from the pivot cup, try putting graphite or dish soap in it. You might need to fuck with the washers or sand the bushings a bit too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on October 08, 2019, 10:17:45 AM
Quote from: weedgod94 on October 08, 2019, 10:14:32 AM
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Suuuuuuuuuuuure dude. Keep smoking that. It's doing wonders for your brain.
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Maybe you should take a hit and relax brother

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just put a set of bones mediums into my thunder 149s. no bottom washer and the top washers are the ones that come with the bushings. feels great but theres a terrible creak when i lean. does this go away or should i just wear earplugs when i skate?
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You can try boiling them or lubing the kingpin but usually you just gotta wait for it to go away. It sucks.
Stick to talking about weed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on October 08, 2019, 11:12:08 AM
Quote from: camel filters on October 08, 2019, 10:12:22 AM
just put a set of bones mediums into my thunder 149s. no bottom washer and the top washers are the ones that come with the bushings. feels great but theres a terrible creak when i lean. does this go away or should i just wear earplugs when i skate?
Creaking comes from the pivot cups, not bushings - try to put a drop of lubricant (speed cream, mineral oil) in the pivot cups and feel at ease.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on October 08, 2019, 11:16:11 AM
90% it is the pivot cups, but The bones will often still creak and make cracking noises, since the hard plastic parts suddenly moves after the soft part bent (if that makes sense) a tiny piece of soap or wax has worked best for me, stays longer than oil and doesn't leave gunky rings around that might stain clothes when you vary the skateboard.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: camel filters on October 08, 2019, 11:19:27 AM
Quote from: Firebert on October 08, 2019, 11:12:08 AM
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just put a set of bones mediums into my thunder 149s. no bottom washer and the top washers are the ones that come with the bushings. feels great but theres a terrible creak when i lean. does this go away or should i just wear earplugs when i skate?
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Creaking comes from the pivot cups, not bushings - try to put a drop of lubricant (speed cream, mineral oil) in the pivot cups and feel at ease.
Already waxed the pivot cups before the bushing switch so it's definitely the bushings.

Quote from: jtrpma on October 08, 2019, 11:16:11 AM
90% it is the pivot cups, but The bones will often still creak and make cracking noises, since the hard plastic parts suddenly moves after the soft part bent (if that makes sense) a tiny piece of soap or wax has worked best for me, stays longer than oil and doesn't leave gunky rings around that might stain clothes when you vary the skateboard.
Wax in the kingpin? or are you still talking pivot cups? Thanks regardless.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on October 08, 2019, 11:23:26 AM
I wax the hard parts of the bushings, the narrower of the surfaces and put a bony bit inside where the kingpin goes, yes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: camel filters on October 08, 2019, 11:28:04 AM
Quote from: jtrpma on October 08, 2019, 11:23:26 AM
I wax the hard parts of the bushings, the narrower of the surfaces and put a bony bit inside where the kingpin goes, yes.
Gotcha. Thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oldbummer on October 08, 2019, 12:48:39 PM
In a recent Ben DeGros video he talked about how he uses the stock washers with bones bushings because the flat ones make creaks.  I use to assume it was the pivot cup, but the other day I put bones in my Indys, had the creak, and then rubbed soap on the flat washer and the part of the bushing it mates with.  No creak after that. 

Maybe some soap on the plastic part of the bottom bones bushing might help those Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 08, 2019, 01:03:49 PM
Quote from: camel filters on October 08, 2019, 10:12:22 AM
just put a set of bones mediums into my thunder 149s. no bottom washer and the top washers are the ones that come with the bushings. feels great but theres a terrible creak when i lean. does this go away or should i just wear earplugs when i skate?

Bones bushings creak, it's the plastic I'm guessing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on October 08, 2019, 02:21:13 PM
The flat washer that comes with Bones bushings was the culprit for my clicks. Best option is to use Indy aftermarkets they’ll last way longer. But for the Bones, just use the stock top truck washer instead, or go no washers at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TooManyPros on October 08, 2019, 07:33:20 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on October 08, 2019, 02:21:13 PM
The flat washer that comes with Bones bushings was the culprit for my clicks. Best option is to use Indy aftermarkets they’ll last way longer. But for the Bones, just use the stock top truck washer instead, or go no washers at all.

Will have to try without the washer, I tend to use them all the time now...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Switch FS K-Swiss Grind on October 08, 2019, 08:48:40 PM
Quote from: TooManyPros on October 08, 2019, 07:33:20 PM
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The flat washer that comes with Bones bushings was the culprit for my clicks. Best option is to use Indy aftermarkets they’ll last way longer. But for the Bones, just use the stock top truck washer instead, or go no washers at all.
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Will have to try without the washer, I tend to use them all the time now...
I wouldn't ditch the washer, it's there for a reason. Try waxing it or putting some sort of lube on it. I find the bones bushings creaky but i only notice it when I'm at home standing on my board to make adjustments. I don't notice it when I'm out skating, maybe my bearings and wheels are louder or it's the street noise, or maybe I'm just used to it? It's a small price to pay, i really do like the rebound on them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on October 09, 2019, 06:46:49 AM
Quick question

What is the best way to remove a pivot cup without destroying it?

This is on an independent truck Attached to my board.

Thanks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on October 09, 2019, 07:00:45 AM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on October 09, 2019, 06:46:49 AM
Quick question

What is the best way to remove a pivot cup without destroying it?

This is on an independent truck Attached to my board.

Thanks

Flame thrower.

Why are you attempting to remove? The only time I have ever removed was to replace a busted one so I didn't care about destroying it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on October 09, 2019, 08:07:30 AM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on October 09, 2019, 06:46:49 AM
Quick question

What is the best way to remove a pivot cup without destroying it?

This is on an independent truck Attached to my board.

Thanks

take your base plates off and boil them, then try prying out the cups.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 09, 2019, 09:19:18 AM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on October 09, 2019, 06:46:49 AM
Quick question

What is the best way to remove a pivot cup without destroying it?

This is on an independent truck Attached to my board.

Thanks

Use a baseplate with kingpin, stick the pin in the cup and pry it out. Hanger axles work too,.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on October 09, 2019, 09:31:52 AM
Quote from: arrbee on October 09, 2019, 07:00:45 AM
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Quick question

What is the best way to remove a pivot cup without destroying it?

This is on an independent truck Attached to my board.

Thanks
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Flame thrower.

Why are you attempting to remove? The only time I have ever removed was to replace a busted one so I didn't care about destroying it

Thanks for the help all.

I am wondering if putting in new pivot cups will stop the squeaking of my trucks. The truck are in good shape but I have played around with bushings but I have not switched out my pivot cups.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on October 09, 2019, 10:09:03 AM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on October 09, 2019, 09:31:52 AM
Quote from: arrbee on October 09, 2019, 07:00:45 AM
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Quote from: GardenSkater77 on October 09, 2019, 06:46:49 AM
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Quick question

What is the best way to remove a pivot cup without destroying it?

This is on an independent truck Attached to my board.

Thanks
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Flame thrower.

Why are you attempting to remove? The only time I have ever removed was to replace a busted one so I didn't care about destroying it
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Thanks for the help all.

I am wondering if putting in new pivot cups will stop the squeaking of my trucks. The truck are in good shape but I have played around with bushings but I have not switched out my pivot cups.

A little dab of dish soap or bearing oil makes the squeak go away
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: wurfnnjs on October 09, 2019, 02:11:18 PM
Ace 55s, no top washers, nut as loose as possible. Opinions on putting softer bushings in? I currently have the stock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 09, 2019, 02:22:43 PM
Quote from: wurfnnjs on October 09, 2019, 02:11:18 PM
Ace 55s, no top washers, nut as loose as possible. Opinions on putting softer bushings in? I currently have the stock.

To what end? I’m a smaller person, 5’8”, 165, I can get the 44s to turn very quickly, too quickly even, with washers and nut flush. If you want flop you can take out the other washer and/or run smaller bushings. I’m not m.rod/dae. Didn’t make my skating in more enjoyable to be sooooo loose. It was a novelty. Much like the way too big board, or huge wheels, or super small board, just another excuse to be fine with trying the same few things. And that’s fine. If it’s get you hyped. Indy has some nice soft offerings, as does doh doh actually.
Oh I also felt like the super loose really limited the pop. Just my experience tho
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: What a find on October 09, 2019, 03:04:51 PM
If you feel like buying into bushings, riptide is worth checking out

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on October 09, 2019, 07:51:22 PM
I’ve just gone back to my Venture V-Lights 5.8 that have the harder purple bushings, wondering if anyone had experience with Indy bushings in ventures? Want to try the red, soft aftermarket bushings but don’t want to waste my money.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on October 09, 2019, 09:12:06 PM
Quote from: texasplant on October 09, 2019, 07:51:22 PM
I’ve just gone back to my Venture V-Lights 5.8 that have the harder purple bushings, wondering if anyone had experience with Indy bushings in ventures? Want to try the red, soft aftermarket bushings but don’t want to waste my money.

They fit perfectly as they're exactly the same size. I put the 78A super softs in mine because I like loose trucks. It's maybe a tad bit too loose for me though. Might eventually try some combo of different duros like Aces have to make it more to my liking. Not skating them right now and probably won't in a while. Gonna at least thrash these Aces first. The purple stock bushings are quite hard.

Edit: Ppl claim that the stock Venture bushings are 90A. No idea if that's true. This place is selling the same looking purple Venture bushings as 98A. If those stock purples are also 98A I'd imagine changing to soft 88A Indy bushings would be quite a significant change.
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/venture-trucks-shop?cPath=221
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on October 09, 2019, 09:17:54 PM
Quote from: Roisto on October 09, 2019, 09:12:06 PM
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I’ve just gone back to my Venture V-Lights 5.8 that have the harder purple bushings, wondering if anyone had experience with Indy bushings in ventures? Want to try the red, soft aftermarket bushings but don’t want to waste my money.
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They fit perfectly as they're exactly the same size. I put the 78A super softs in mine because I like loose trucks. It's maybe a tad bit too loose for me though. Might eventually try some combo of different duros like Aces have to make it more to my liking. Not skating them right now and probably won't in a while. Gonna at least thrash these Aces first. The purple stock bushings are quite hard.

Edit: Ppl claim that the stock Venture bushings are 90A. No idea if that's true. This place is selling the same looking purple Venture bushings as 98A. If those stock purples are also 98A I'd imagine changing to soft 88A Indy bushings would be quite a significant change.
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/venture-trucks-shop?cPath=221

Yeah it wasn’t until I saw the aftermarket purple venture bushings were 98a that I realised softer bushings might make these a go. They already feel pretty good, they’re so close to what I’m looking for so I might try Indy bushings with a flat washer. Maybe even the 90a oranges that I have plenty of sitting around.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 09, 2019, 10:28:09 PM
Flat washer super helps with the ventures, I always get scarring on the hanger from the top stock washer. Leads me to believe the washer is limiting the turn. I probably shouldn’t have given my brand new 5.8s away
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 09, 2019, 11:03:44 PM
Quote from: wurfnnjs on October 09, 2019, 02:11:18 PM
Ace 55s, no top washers, nut as loose as possible. Opinions on putting softer bushings in? I currently have the stock.

Old Stock or New Stock?

New stock is tits.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 10, 2019, 04:40:05 AM
Stock venture purples are def a much softer duro than the aftermarket purple dlx. Switched out the stock for a green dlx (94a) in a set of 5.8s and it was noticeably harder.

Also if memory serves me correctly I had to sand the barrel bushing of the dlx down a bit as it was a bit higher than stock. I'm going to go through my old phone and see if I have a pic.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on October 10, 2019, 06:37:10 AM
Anyone that has the new China Indy’s now that it’s been a while how are they holding up? Still better or the same or worse? QC issues etc? I know one person earlier said they sucked but I was curious about other people’s opinions that has had skated them for a while. I want to go back to Indy. I’m over trying find boards with short wheel bases
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 10, 2019, 07:13:02 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on October 10, 2019, 04:40:05 AM
Stock venture purples are def a much softer duro than the aftermarket purple dlx. Switched out the stock for a green dlx (94a) in a set of 5.8s and it was noticeably harder.

Also if memory serves me correctly I had to sand the barrel bushing of the dlx down a bit as it was a bit higher than stock. I'm going to go through my old phone and see if I have a pic.

Green for nostalgia alone tho, damn
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 10, 2019, 07:39:37 AM
Quote from: Ok on October 10, 2019, 07:13:02 AM
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Stock venture purples are def a much softer duro than the aftermarket purple dlx. Switched out the stock for a green dlx (94a) in a set of 5.8s and it was noticeably harder.

Also if memory serves me correctly I had to sand the barrel bushing of the dlx down a bit as it was a bit higher than stock. I'm going to go through my old phone and see if I have a pic.
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Green for nostalgia alone tho, damn

Haha, I won't say that didn't influence my purchase.

Quote from: Murge on October 10, 2019, 06:37:10 AM
Anyone that has the new China Indy’s now that it’s been a while how are they holding up? Still better or the same or worse? QC issues etc? I know one person earlier said they sucked but I was curious about other people’s opinions that has had skated them for a while. I want to go back to Indy. I’m over trying find boards with short wheel bases

Didn't really skate the USA ones but after moving over to skating Indy a little ago I don't have any complaints at all. I think someone did a side by side a while ago to highlight the apparently improved QC.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ThugWaffle on October 10, 2019, 05:57:24 PM
 Indy lights worth it/good? considering getting a pair of independent for the first time, but i don't know if I should get regular 139's or hollow. I've heard independents are heavier than thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on October 10, 2019, 06:15:31 PM
Quote from: ThugWaffle on October 10, 2019, 05:57:24 PM
Indy lights worth it/good? considering getting a pair of independent for the first time, but i don't know if I should get regular 139's or hollow. I've heard independents are heavier than thunders.

Indys have more material on the hanger for better grinds. The metal also feels somewhat softer than Thunders, which can explain why they grind better.

I'd say get Hollows if you don't want to adjust to the weight difference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chaos Acoustic on October 10, 2019, 07:26:29 PM
Quote from: texasplant on October 09, 2019, 09:17:54 PM
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I’ve just gone back to my Venture V-Lights 5.8 that have the harder purple bushings, wondering if anyone had experience with Indy bushings in ventures? Want to try the red, soft aftermarket bushings but don’t want to waste my money.
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They fit perfectly as they're exactly the same size. I put the 78A super softs in mine because I like loose trucks. It's maybe a tad bit too loose for me though. Might eventually try some combo of different duros like Aces have to make it more to my liking. Not skating them right now and probably won't in a while. Gonna at least thrash these Aces first. The purple stock bushings are quite hard.

Edit: Ppl claim that the stock Venture bushings are 90A. No idea if that's true. This place is selling the same looking purple Venture bushings as 98A. If those stock purples are also 98A I'd imagine changing to soft 88A Indy bushings would be quite a significant change.
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/venture-trucks-shop?cPath=221
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Yeah it wasn’t until I saw the aftermarket purple venture bushings were 98a that I realised softer bushings might make these a go. They already feel pretty good, they’re so close to what I’m looking for so I might try Indy bushings with a flat washer. Maybe even the 90a oranges that I have plenty of sitting around.
Drehobl always ran orange deluxe super cush when he was on Venture.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on October 10, 2019, 07:40:47 PM
Quote from: Murge on October 10, 2019, 06:37:10 AM
Anyone that has the new China Indy’s now that it’s been a while how are they holding up? Still better or the same or worse? QC issues etc? I know one person earlier said they sucked but I was curious about other people’s opinions that has had skated them for a while. I want to go back to Indy. I’m over trying find boards with short wheel bases

I’ve been on the fully China made 139 titanium’s for about a month and they’re the best Indy’s I’ve ever had. Flawless casting and the axles are even on both sides. The pivot cups are actual urethane and not plastic crap. The stock bushings are aftermarket quality and rebound back to center excellently. I love Ace trucks but whatever Chinese factory they use isn’t as good as Indy’s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on October 10, 2019, 08:17:50 PM
the kingpins on my aces got loose so i decided to swap the baseplates with some indy's. at a glance they seem similar, and considering that aces descend from indy's, you'd think it'd work without any problems. oh boy, was i wrong. it's the most awful experience. i kept falling off the board because it wouldn't turn quick enough. they were looser than the full ace setup too. don't do it! anyway, i ordered some ventures. i think i'm gonna be disappointed by anything non-ace, though :-\
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on October 10, 2019, 09:10:50 PM
Quote from: anon on October 10, 2019, 08:17:50 PM
the kingpins on my aces got loose so i decided to swap the baseplates with some indy's. at a glance they seem similar, and considering that aces descend from indy's, you'd think it'd work without any problems. oh boy, was i wrong. it's the most awful experience. i kept falling off the board because it wouldn't turn quick enough. they were looser than the full ace setup too. don't do it! anyway, i ordered some ventures. i think i'm gonna be disappointed by anything non-ace, though :-\

Hammer out the kingpins and put some epoxy in there and hammer them back in. Works great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on October 10, 2019, 09:23:25 PM
Quote from: Roisto on October 10, 2019, 09:10:50 PM
Hammer out the kingpins and put some epoxy in there and hammer them back in. Works great.
yeah, i got some jb weld. i remember using it for the nuts with the krux downlows, but it didn't hold well. probably because of the small surface area. according to this video, you should sand the parts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpvkLQWfPBk
maybe that'll help
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on October 10, 2019, 10:27:21 PM
Can anyone comment if theeve updated changed anything from the v1/v2 trucks besides fixing the bushing problem? From what I'd read here the base plate is the same but some people were saying the the turn was different (lessened slightly to prevent breaking bushings maybe?) and that the casting of the trucks looked a bit different. Just wondering what's up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on October 10, 2019, 10:36:07 PM
Quote from: anon on October 10, 2019, 09:23:25 PM
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Hammer out the kingpins and put some epoxy in there and hammer them back in. Works great.
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yeah, i got some jb weld. i remember using it for the nuts with the krux downlows, but it didn't hold well. probably because of the small surface area. according to this video, you should sand the parts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpvkLQWfPBk
maybe that'll help

We don’t have JB Weld here in Finland so I used something else. It was called “steel epoxy”. No idea what it consists of or how similar it is to JB Weld. But sanding the parts probably would help a bunch. More rough surface area for it to attach to. It’s hard to stick on a completely smooth surface. Also making sure everything is clean is really important.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 11, 2019, 12:00:16 AM
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I’ve just gone back to my Venture V-Lights 5.8 that have the harder purple bushings, wondering if anyone had experience with Indy bushings in ventures? Want to try the red, soft aftermarket bushings but don’t want to waste my money.
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They fit perfectly as they're exactly the same size. I put the 78A super softs in mine because I like loose trucks. It's maybe a tad bit too loose for me though. Might eventually try some combo of different duros like Aces have to make it more to my liking. Not skating them right now and probably won't in a while. Gonna at least thrash these Aces first. The purple stock bushings are quite hard.

Edit: Ppl claim that the stock Venture bushings are 90A. No idea if that's true. This place is selling the same looking purple Venture bushings as 98A. If those stock purples are also 98A I'd imagine changing to soft 88A Indy bushings would be quite a significant change.
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/venture-trucks-shop?cPath=221
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Yeah it wasn’t until I saw the aftermarket purple venture bushings were 98a that I realised softer bushings might make these a go. They already feel pretty good, they’re so close to what I’m looking for so I might try Indy bushings with a flat washer. Maybe even the 90a oranges that I have plenty of sitting around.
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Drehobl always ran orange deluxe super cush when he was on Venture.

This drehobl fact is hot! Speyer, drehobl, shao.....

Anyways, carry on
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Water is Nice on October 11, 2019, 02:54:29 AM
Want some opinions on what trucks I should get for Dane1 9.75 widest and taper to 8.75. It's either blue ace 55s or thunder 151 lights. The thunders are lighter and on sale so they are cheaper but don't know how good 151s are any experience?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on October 11, 2019, 03:53:21 AM
Quote from: Water is Nice on October 11, 2019, 02:54:29 AM
Want some opinions on what trucks I should get for Dane1 9.75 widest and taper to 8.75. It's either blue ace 55s or thunder 151 lights. The thunders are lighter and on sale so they are cheaper but don't know how good 151s are any experience?

The wheelbase on the Dane1 is rather short so maybe Thunders would be nicer because of that. 🤔
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Water is Nice on October 11, 2019, 06:03:20 AM
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Want some opinions on what trucks I should get for Dane1 9.75 widest and taper to 8.75. It's either blue ace 55s or thunder 151 lights. The thunders are lighter and on sale so they are cheaper but don't know how good 151s are any experience?
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The wheelbase on the Dane1 is rather short so maybe Thunders would be nicer because of that. 🤔
Yeah and I have tried it with indys already so I'm leaning towards thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on October 11, 2019, 06:43:02 AM
Quote from: Water is Nice on October 11, 2019, 06:03:20 AM
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Want some opinions on what trucks I should get for Dane1 9.75 widest and taper to 8.75. It's either blue ace 55s or thunder 151 lights. The thunders are lighter and on sale so they are cheaper but don't know how good 151s are any experience?
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The wheelbase on the Dane1 is rather short so maybe Thunders would be nicer because of that. 🤔
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Yeah and I have tried it with indys already so I'm leaning towards thunders

Thunder is coming out with the 9” axle trucks soon too I think. Maybe those could work too if you’re worried about the width. No idea when exactly they’re coming out though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Water is Nice on October 11, 2019, 06:53:47 AM
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Want some opinions on what trucks I should get for Dane1 9.75 widest and taper to 8.75. It's either blue ace 55s or thunder 151 lights. The thunders are lighter and on sale so they are cheaper but don't know how good 151s are any experience?
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The wheelbase on the Dane1 is rather short so maybe Thunders would be nicer because of that. 🤔
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Yeah and I have tried it with indys already so I'm leaning towards thunders
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Thunder is coming out with the 9” axle trucks soon too I think. Maybe those could work too if you’re worried about the width. No idea when exactly they’re coming out though.
I had indy 159 but kingpin came loose so I know 8.75 trucks work, it's a nice deal rn so I wanna get them but at the same time snow is incoming
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 11, 2019, 08:32:17 AM
Quote from: Water is Nice on October 11, 2019, 06:53:47 AM
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Want some opinions on what trucks I should get for Dane1 9.75 widest and taper to 8.75. It's either blue ace 55s or thunder 151 lights. The thunders are lighter and on sale so they are cheaper but don't know how good 151s are any experience?
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The wheelbase on the Dane1 is rather short so maybe Thunders would be nicer because of that. 🤔
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Yeah and I have tried it with indys already so I'm leaning towards thunders
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Thunder is coming out with the 9” axle trucks soon too I think. Maybe those could work too if you’re worried about the width. No idea when exactly they’re coming out though.
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I had indy 159 but kingpin came loose so I know 8.75 trucks work, it's a nice deal rn so I wanna get them but at the same time snow is incoming

I had 151s, they were sick, gave em to a coworker that had a garbage set up. I’d probably be using them now if i had them still, been into thunders again. Anyways. I guess my main question would be: how big the wheels you planning on using? Thunders for tricks, but ace for cruising. I can run really big wheels, medium loose, very little wheelbite with ace. Thunders just always wheelbite for me, quickly. Ace might make you (will make you)start throwing unnecessary carves and turns. Soon then you are that guy over doing a little sidewalk cruise 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Water is Nice on October 11, 2019, 09:07:56 AM
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Want some opinions on what trucks I should get for Dane1 9.75 widest and taper to 8.75. It's either blue ace 55s or thunder 151 lights. The thunders are lighter and on sale so they are cheaper but don't know how good 151s are any experience?
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The wheelbase on the Dane1 is rather short so maybe Thunders would be nicer because of that.
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Yeah and I have tried it with indys already so I'm leaning towards thunders
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Thunder is coming out with the 9” axle trucks soon too I think. Maybe those could work too if you’re worried about the width. No idea when exactly they’re coming out though.
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I had indy 159 but kingpin came loose so I know 8.75 trucks work, it's a nice deal rn so I wanna get them but at the same time snow is incoming
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I had 151s, they were sick, gave em to a coworker that had a garbage set up. I’d probably be using them now if i had them still, been into thunders again. Anyways. I guess my main question would be: how big the wheels you planning on using? Thunders for tricks, but ace for cruising. I can run really big wheels, medium loose, very little wheelbite with ace. Thunders just always wheelbite for me, quickly. Ace might make you (will make you)start throwing unnecessary carves and turns. Soon then you are that guy over doing a little sidewalk cruise
I thought about wheels too and I have two choices: 54 mm f4 classiscs or lock ins wore down to less than 50mm. It will be for tricks and I will get risers, don't know how big they are but it's diamond. Or I get bones risers 1/8 with the adjustable mounting cus I read that the diamond fits thunders bad. But if I get bones I have thunde and spits and I would think about it all the time. Also is 1 inch hardware enough? Forged plates are thinner so
 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on October 12, 2019, 09:01:48 AM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on October 09, 2019, 09:31:52 AM
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Quick question

What is the best way to remove a pivot cup without destroying it?

This is on an independent truck Attached to my board.

Thanks
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Flame thrower.

Why are you attempting to remove? The only time I have ever removed was to replace a busted one so I didn't care about destroying it
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Thanks for the help all.

I am wondering if putting in new pivot cups will stop the squeaking of my trucks. The truck are in good shape but I have played around with bushings but I have not switched out my pivot cups.

Switched the pivot cups out using Xen’s tip and worked fine. New pivot cups stopped the squeaking but I still hear the bushings creaking. I think I’m done with Indy bushings. However, Bones bushings seem to be falling out of favor here, so I am going to move to Riptide.

Riptide lists all bushing measurements on their website. Their ‘street bushings’ or ‘Indy style’ are almost the exact same size as Indy—based on my measurements:

Indy barrel .47” (12 mm) tall.
Riptide Street Barrel .50” tall.

Indy cone .39” (10 mm) tall.
Riptide Street cone .40” tall.

I can’t measure the Riptide so I wonder if in mm they would be 12 mm and 10 mm respectively.

I will follow up with a review once I make the switch.

Here is the street kit I am looking at buying but I may just buy one set of each to start.

https://www.riptidesports.com/krank-streetseries-bushings-kit-w-indy-pivot-cups/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TooManyPros on October 12, 2019, 09:58:20 AM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on October 12, 2019, 09:01:48 AM
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Quick question

What is the best way to remove a pivot cup without destroying it?

This is on an independent truck Attached to my board.

Thanks
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Flame thrower.

Why are you attempting to remove? The only time I have ever removed was to replace a busted one so I didn't care about destroying it
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Thanks for the help all.

I am wondering if putting in new pivot cups will stop the squeaking of my trucks. The truck are in good shape but I have played around with bushings but I have not switched out my pivot cups.
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Switched the pivot cups out using Xen’s tip and worked fine. New pivot cups stopped the squeaking but I still hear the bushings creaking. I think I’m done with Indy bushings. However, Bones bushings seem to be falling out of favor here, so I am going to move to Riptide.

Riptide lists all bushing measurements on their website. Their ‘street bushings’ or ‘Indy style’ are almost the exact same size as Indy—based on my measurements:

Indy barrel .47” (12 mm) tall.
Riptide Street Barrel .50” tall.

Indy cone .39” (10 mm) tall.
Riptide Street cone .40” tall.

I can’t measure the Riptide so I wonder if in mm they would be 12 mm and 10 mm respectively.

I will follow up with a review once I make the switch.

Here is the street kit I am looking at buying but I may just buy one set of each to start.

https://www.riptidesports.com/krank-streetseries-bushings-kit-w-indy-pivot-cups/


Do yourself a favor and buy these ACE bushings (https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/accessories/products/ace-stock-bushings) for your Indys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 12, 2019, 10:02:31 AM
Quote from: TooManyPros on October 12, 2019, 09:58:20 AM
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Quick question

What is the best way to remove a pivot cup without destroying it?

This is on an independent truck Attached to my board.

Thanks
[close]

Flame thrower.

Why are you attempting to remove? The only time I have ever removed was to replace a busted one so I didn't care about destroying it
[close]

Thanks for the help all.

I am wondering if putting in new pivot cups will stop the squeaking of my trucks. The truck are in good shape but I have played around with bushings but I have not switched out my pivot cups.
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Switched the pivot cups out using Xen’s tip and worked fine. New pivot cups stopped the squeaking but I still hear the bushings creaking. I think I’m done with Indy bushings. However, Bones bushings seem to be falling out of favor here, so I am going to move to Riptide.

Riptide lists all bushing measurements on their website. Their ‘street bushings’ or ‘Indy style’ are almost the exact same size as Indy—based on my measurements:

Indy barrel .47” (12 mm) tall.
Riptide Street Barrel .50” tall.

Indy cone .39” (10 mm) tall.
Riptide Street cone .40” tall.

I can’t measure the Riptide so I wonder if in mm they would be 12 mm and 10 mm respectively.

I will follow up with a review once I make the switch.

Here is the street kit I am looking at buying but I may just buy one set of each to start.

https://www.riptidesports.com/krank-streetseries-bushings-kit-w-indy-pivot-cups/
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Do yourself a favor and buy these ACE bushings (https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/accessories/products/ace-stock-bushings) for your Indys.

I was riding those ACE bushings in my Indys (bought two sets: regular bottoms and low tops) + riptide cups, best feeling Indys so far. That said, I still like The bones med bottom, soft tops + Riptides cups as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on October 12, 2019, 10:16:09 AM
Quote from: Xen on October 12, 2019, 10:02:31 AM
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Quick question

What is the best way to remove a pivot cup without destroying it?

This is on an independent truck Attached to my board.

Thanks
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Flame thrower.

Why are you attempting to remove? The only time I have ever removed was to replace a busted one so I didn't care about destroying it
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Thanks for the help all.

I am wondering if putting in new pivot cups will stop the squeaking of my trucks. The truck are in good shape but I have played around with bushings but I have not switched out my pivot cups.
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Switched the pivot cups out using Xen’s tip and worked fine. New pivot cups stopped the squeaking but I still hear the bushings creaking. I think I’m done with Indy bushings. However, Bones bushings seem to be falling out of favor here, so I am going to move to Riptide.

Riptide lists all bushing measurements on their website. Their ‘street bushings’ or ‘Indy style’ are almost the exact same size as Indy—based on my measurements:

Indy barrel .47” (12 mm) tall.
Riptide Street Barrel .50” tall.

Indy cone .39” (10 mm) tall.
Riptide Street cone .40” tall.

I can’t measure the Riptide so I wonder if in mm they would be 12 mm and 10 mm respectively.

I will follow up with a review once I make the switch.

Here is the street kit I am looking at buying but I may just buy one set of each to start.

https://www.riptidesports.com/krank-streetseries-bushings-kit-w-indy-pivot-cups/
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Do yourself a favor and buy these ACE bushings (https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/accessories/products/ace-stock-bushings) for your Indys.
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I was riding those ACE bushings in my Indys (bought two sets: regular bottoms and low tops) + riptide cups, best feeling Indys so far. That said, I still like The bones med bottom, soft tops + Riptides cups as well.

I just looked up that the ace lows are 12 MM on the bottom and 10 MM on the top. They don’t say they fit Indy’s but that’s probably due to competition reasons. So looks like the move to buy Ace lows not Classics as classics are 14 mm at bottom and 12 mm on top.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: brwrxstl on October 12, 2019, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: brwrxstl on September 30, 2019, 07:20:21 AM
So I've been skating the just straight up Indy 139 since 2009 and now all of a sudden I'm really struggling on them 😬 I went through three sets of bushings on my last set this spring and none of them took, and then I went ahead and got new trucks and have been having the same issues (with both the stock and after market bushings).

Like I just can't get the bushings set comfortably anymore😭 but now because I've felt so uncomfortable on them that they feel too high or something. They just don't feel stable.

So I'm considering getting the Indy Lows now that they're selling those again. Has anybody had any experience with those? I mean from a turning standpoint they're gonna be better than Ventures right?

Ultimately I'm probably gonna jump to Thunders but want to rule out maybe just needing lower trucks first. It's just frustrating because for 10 years trucks were the last thing I've had issues with.

So yeah I ended up buying a pair of 8.25 Thunder Titaniums and they solved everything. I put in a pair of Bones hardcore mediums off the bat and goddamn what a night and day difference from that nightmare summer I had tried to make my Indys feel right again. The weight difference, the turning, the board control, I mean literally everything is perfect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Quique on October 12, 2019, 03:30:54 PM
I'm about to set a real twin tail deck and i don't want to have the feeling of knowing if you're riding your trucks regular or switch. Would changing bushings on used trucks do the trick or should I buy new trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on October 12, 2019, 04:53:41 PM
Quote from: brwrxstl on October 12, 2019, 01:56:04 PM
So yeah I ended up buying a pair of 8.25 Thunder Titaniums and they solved everything. I put in a pair of Bones hardcore mediums off the bat and goddamn what a night and day difference from that nightmare summer I had tried to make my Indys feel right again. The weight difference, the turning, the board control, I mean literally everything is perfect.

Nice man! Glad you were able to find peace in the truck madness journey. It’s what we’re trying to accomplish. Some of us don’t want help though, we choose to keep chasing the dragon. In fact, now you make me want to get the same trucks just because of the weight savings even though my Ti Indy’s are just fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: brwrxstl on October 12, 2019, 05:09:37 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on October 12, 2019, 04:53:41 PM
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So yeah I ended up buying a pair of 8.25 Thunder Titaniums and they solved everything. I put in a pair of Bones hardcore mediums off the bat and goddamn what a night and day difference from that nightmare summer I had tried to make my Indys feel right again. The weight difference, the turning, the board control, I mean literally everything is perfect.
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Nice man! Glad you were able to find peace in the truck madness journey. It’s what we’re trying to accomplish. Some of us don’t want help though, we choose to keep chasing the dragon. In fact, now you make me want to get the same trucks just because of the weight savings even though my Ti Indy’s are just fine.

I feel that. I took a detour and tried Royal lows with three different bushing combos first. I thought the they had an awesome turning radius for a low truck but they were way too low. But I needed to rule out low trucks lol. I rode Ventures for a few years before Indys and I'll say the Royal joints are definitely better than Ventures in every way except the actual metal. The only thing that stopped me from trying Royal standards was the idea of them not lasting more than a year or two tops. If Crail got serious and used a higher quality metal they'd be a solid truck.

But after fucking with these titaniums I don't think I could ever rationalize going back to an aluminum truck either way.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on October 12, 2019, 06:49:07 PM
"a year or two" is not a short time, and your trucks are still aluminum. The axle, which is steel usually, is titanium in your trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: brwrxstl on October 12, 2019, 07:50:50 PM
Quote from: bbk on October 12, 2019, 06:49:07 PM
"a year or two" is not a short time, and your trucks are still aluminum. The axle, which is steel usually, is titanium in your trucks.

cool story, dickhead

A year or two compared to would still have been half the time of what I have been getting out of my indys
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on October 12, 2019, 07:59:10 PM
Haha, okay.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 12, 2019, 11:26:16 PM
What disappointment I’ve had with these destructos

I got the d1 mid 5.5 and already out the gate the kingpin got loose and just to see how Jenky the trucks were I gave a decent soft knock to the pin with my skate tool and it fell right out

Then I was checking quality of the metal they use by trying to line up the kingpin spline and seeing if I can just push the pin in

Low and behold, the metal is cheap and I was already pushing the kingpin a little in, I then proceeded to hammer the king pin back in and didn’t have my heavier hammer and used the regular every day nailing hammer and only 2 strikes and it was back in

A day of riding and testing and bam back to square 1

Loose again

Fuck destructo, they’re almost as bad as silver

Lifetime guarantee my ass, the turning was decent and the weight was okay, the height is okay

But nothing really out of the ordinary that was magical like aces turning

So far trying my Indy’s the proper way(loose) and the stock bushings don’t really cut it, but the bones are working perfect

Only using the flat washer on the deck side/bottom bushing and letting the nut contact the roadside/top bushing raw, the turn is very close to ace but still not as quick and rebound

Idk, I think I’ve become a believer in the aces

They’re such good trucks! Can’t wait for the new all forged ones, the only thing I would want from aces is the metal to be like Indy/thunder/ventures/ermico quality

But I’m sure they’ll be like that with the new design 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on October 13, 2019, 05:54:50 AM
I ride mine without bottom washers and my kingpins have been loose for months, it hasn't effected my skating at all so I don't even care. I still think they're great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 13, 2019, 09:46:04 AM
Quote from: bbk on October 13, 2019, 05:54:50 AM
I ride mine without bottom washers and my kingpins have been loose for months, it hasn't effected my skating at all so I don't even care. I still think they're great.

The destructos?

How do you feel about them turning and grinding wise?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Quick question

What is the best way to remove a pivot cup without destroying it?

This is on an independent truck Attached to my board.

Thanks
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Flame thrower.

Why are you attempting to remove? The only time I have ever removed was to replace a busted one so I didn't care about destroying it
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Thanks for the help all.

I am wondering if putting in new pivot cups will stop the squeaking of my trucks. The truck are in good shape but I have played around with bushings but I have not switched out my pivot cups.
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Switched the pivot cups out using Xen’s tip and worked fine. New pivot cups stopped the squeaking but I still hear the bushings creaking. I think I’m done with Indy bushings. However, Bones bushings seem to be falling out of favor here, so I am going to move to Riptide.

Riptide lists all bushing measurements on their website. Their ‘street bushings’ or ‘Indy style’ are almost the exact same size as Indy—based on my measurements:

Indy barrel .47” (12 mm) tall.
Riptide Street Barrel .50” tall.

Indy cone .39” (10 mm) tall.
Riptide Street cone .40” tall.

I can’t measure the Riptide so I wonder if in mm they would be 12 mm and 10 mm respectively.

I will follow up with a review once I make the switch.

Here is the street kit I am looking at buying but I may just buy one set of each to start.

https://www.riptidesports.com/krank-streetseries-bushings-kit-w-indy-pivot-cups/
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Do yourself a favor and buy these ACE bushings (https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/accessories/products/ace-stock-bushings) for your Indys.
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I was riding those ACE bushings in my Indys (bought two sets: regular bottoms and low tops) + riptide cups, best feeling Indys so far. That said, I still like The bones med bottom, soft tops + Riptides cups as well.
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I just looked up that the ace lows are 12 MM on the bottom and 10 MM on the top. They don’t say they fit Indy’s but that’s probably due to competition reasons. So looks like the move to buy Ace lows not Classics as classics are 14 mm at bottom and 12 mm on top.

ACE Lo tops are shorter than standard ACE tops and a bit shy of indy aftermarket tops); ACE regular tops are tall AF.

The ACE low bottoms are bit shorter than the Indy standards/aftermarket bushings.

That's why I opted for the regular ACE bottom and ACE low top.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on October 13, 2019, 05:35:39 PM
Quote from: rob on October 13, 2019, 09:46:04 AM
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I ride mine without bottom washers and my kingpins have been loose for months, it hasn't effected my skating at all so I don't even care. I still think they're great.
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The destructos?

How do you feel about them turning and grinding wise?
Yeah, 5.5 d1 mid mags as well. Turning took some breaking in, but after a couple of sessions they have just worked. I had a hemorrhage/brain bleeding almost 5 years ago and this summer I've done a couple of tricks I hadn't done since before the head like fs half cab nose manny fs revert, switch flip manny, flip bs tail, flip bs noseslide and got really damn close to a new dream trick, bs noseslide nollie flip, on these trucks, so yeah, for me, they just work.

That turned in to a weird brag, sorry about that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 13, 2019, 06:38:40 PM
Quote from: bbk on October 13, 2019, 05:35:39 PM
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I ride mine without bottom washers and my kingpins have been loose for months, it hasn't effected my skating at all so I don't even care. I still think they're great.
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The destructos?

How do you feel about them turning and grinding wise?
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Yeah, 5.5 d1 mid mags as well. Turning took some breaking in, but after a couple of sessions they have just worked. I had a hemorrhage/brain bleeding almost 5 years ago and this summer I've done a couple of tricks I hadn't done since before the head like fs half cab nose manny fs revert, switch flip manny, flip bs tail, flip bs noseslide and got really damn close to a new dream trick, bs noseslide nollie flip, on these trucks, so yeah, for me, they just work.

That turned in to a weird brag, sorry about that.

Fuck that brag it up b. COTDAMN. Glad you recovered. Life is weird.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on October 13, 2019, 07:14:07 PM
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I ride mine without bottom washers and my kingpins have been loose for months, it hasn't effected my skating at all so I don't even care. I still think they're great.
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The destructos?

How do you feel about them turning and grinding wise?
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Yeah, 5.5 d1 mid mags as well. Turning took some breaking in, but after a couple of sessions they have just worked. I had a hemorrhage/brain bleeding almost 5 years ago and this summer I've done a couple of tricks I hadn't done since before the head like fs half cab nose manny fs revert, switch flip manny, flip bs tail, flip bs noseslide and got really damn close to a new dream trick, bs noseslide nollie flip, on these trucks, so yeah, for me, they just work.

That turned in to a weird brag, sorry about that.

Nah, that's a well deserved brag.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Smartass on October 13, 2019, 10:11:33 PM
Quote from: bbk on October 13, 2019, 05:35:39 PM
Yeah, 5.5 d1 mid mags as well. Turning took some breaking in, but after a couple of sessions they have just worked. I had a hemorrhage/brain bleeding almost 5 years ago and this summer I've done a couple of tricks I hadn't done since before the head like fs half cab nose manny fs revert, switch flip manny, flip bs tail, flip bs noseslide and got really damn close to a new dream trick, bs noseslide nollie flip, on these trucks, so yeah, for me, they just work.

That turned in to a weird brag, sorry about that.

In the madness that is thread, it's good to hear that some shit is working out really well for someone.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: brwrxstl on October 13, 2019, 10:14:16 PM
Quote from: rob on October 12, 2019, 11:26:16 PM
What disappointment I’ve had with these destructos

I got the d1 mid 5.5 and already out the gate the kingpin got loose and just to see how Jenky the trucks were I gave a decent soft knock to the pin with my skate tool and it fell right out

Then I was checking quality of the metal they use by trying to line up the kingpin spline and seeing if I can just push the pin in

Low and behold, the aluminum is cheap and I was already pushing the kingpin a little in, I then proceeded to hammer the king pin back in and didn’t have my heavier hammer and used the regular every day nailing hammer and only 2 strikes and it was back in

A day of riding and testing and bam back to square 1

Loose again

Fuck destructo, they’re almost as bad as silver

Lifetime guarantee my ass, the turning was decent and the weight was okay, the height is okay

But nothing really out of the ordinary that was magical like aces turning

So far trying my Indy’s the proper way(loose) and the stock bushings don’t really cut it, but the bones are working perfect

Only using the flat washer on the deck side/bottom bushing and letting the nut contact the roadside/top bushing raw, the turn is very close to ace but still not as quick and rebound

Idk, I think I’ve become a believer in the aces

They’re such good trucks! Can’t wait for the new all forged ones, the only thing I would want from aces is the metal to be like Indy/thunder/ventures/ermico quality

But I’m sure they’ll be like that with the new design

Destructos were my trucks for the early part of the millennium. I still have a soft spot for the brand but it's strictly nostalgia driven. Everything went to shit when they broke off from Giant/ended up going solo. The aluminum literally started feeling like pencil lead or something. Killing off Speed Metal was a bummer too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 13, 2019, 10:41:09 PM
Quote from: Smartass on October 13, 2019, 10:11:33 PM
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Yeah, 5.5 d1 mid mags as well. Turning took some breaking in, but after a couple of sessions they have just worked. I had a hemorrhage/brain bleeding almost 5 years ago and this summer I've done a couple of tricks I hadn't done since before the head like fs half cab nose manny fs revert, switch flip manny, flip bs tail, flip bs noseslide and got really damn close to a new dream trick, bs noseslide nollie flip, on these trucks, so yeah, for me, they just work.

That turned in to a weird brag, sorry about that.
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In the madness that is thread, it's good to hear that some shit is working out really well for someone.

For reals!! I’m over here bothering people I don’t know, on the internet, about trucks that won’t mask the fact that I can’t do basic ledge tricks....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 14, 2019, 10:27:35 AM
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Yeah, 5.5 d1 mid mags as well. Turning took some breaking in, but after a couple of sessions they have just worked. I had a hemorrhage/brain bleeding almost 5 years ago and this summer I've done a couple of tricks I hadn't done since before the head like fs half cab nose manny fs revert, switch flip manny, flip bs tail, flip bs noseslide and got really damn close to a new dream trick, bs noseslide nollie flip, on these trucks, so yeah, for me, they just work.

That turned in to a weird brag, sorry about that.
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In the madness that is thread, it's good to hear that some shit is working out really well for someone.
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For reals!! I’m over here bothering people I don’t know, on the internet, about trucks that won’t mask the fact that I can’t do basic ledge tricks....

Yes brag is good because same here

Basic ledge tricks are decent with me

I’m trying to hammer the pin back in over and over to get it in the right spot to stop loosening up

It’s hard to tell cause as mentioned the metal is pretty cheap feeling

They’re almost half way broken in for me so I’ll give them another go but idk, aces are too amazing

BBK if your still out there, do the pivot cups on your destructos stick out?

I’m seeing pics online of the regular ones with the black bushing and the pivot cups are flush but my nostalgia destructos with the green bushings don’t run flush with the pivot cups

Glad to hear your recovered and skating, and skating more than well  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on October 14, 2019, 10:48:32 AM
I am 100% satisfied with my 5.8 Venture High Titanium's with bones medium bushings. And yet still bought a set of ACE 44's just cause I couldn't pass up the deal. I am going to set them up after my current deck is dead.

Why do we do this to ourselves?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on October 14, 2019, 11:22:43 AM
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Yeah, 5.5 d1 mid mags as well. Turning took some breaking in, but after a couple of sessions they have just worked. I had a hemorrhage/brain bleeding almost 5 years ago and this summer I've done a couple of tricks I hadn't done since before the head like fs half cab nose manny fs revert, switch flip manny, flip bs tail, flip bs noseslide and got really damn close to a new dream trick, bs noseslide nollie flip, on these trucks, so yeah, for me, they just work.

That turned in to a weird brag, sorry about that.
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In the madness that is thread, it's good to hear that some shit is working out really well for someone.
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For reals!! I’m over here bothering people I don’t know, on the internet, about trucks that won’t mask the fact that I can’t do basic ledge tricks....
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Yes brag is good because same here

Basic ledge tricks are decent with me

I’m trying to hammer the pin back in over and over to get it in the right spot to stop loosening up

It’s hard to tell cause as mentioned the metal is pretty cheap feeling

They’re almost half way broken in for me so I’ll give them another go but idk, aces are too amazing

BBK if your still out there, do the pivot cups on your destructos stick out?

I’m seeing pics online of the regular ones with the black bushing and the pivot cups are flush but my nostalgia destructos with the green bushings don’t run flush with the pivot cups

Glad to hear your recovered and skating, and skating more than well  ;D

Thanks for posting info on these trucks, I was tempted to try out a pair since I couldn't find much on them but knowing the actual quality of the metal could be shit I think I'll just save myself some money.


Also improving after a brain injury is gnarly. Glad to hear skating is still possible. Skating after being injured can fucking suck so props for staying with it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 14, 2019, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: arrbee on October 14, 2019, 10:48:32 AM
I am 100% satisfied with my 5.8 Venture High Titanium's with bones medium bushings. And yet still bought a set of ACE 44's just cause I couldn't pass up the deal. I am going to set them up after my current deck is dead.

Why do we do this to ourselves?

If I could get back to satisfied I’d quit, or at least would like to think that I would. But I wouldn’t.

Interested to see what you think between the ace and the venture, as I still pursue whatever isn’t Indy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirtjers on October 14, 2019, 12:29:27 PM
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I am 100% satisfied with my 5.8 Venture High Titanium's with bones medium bushings. And yet still bought a set of ACE 44's just cause I couldn't pass up the deal. I am going to set them up after my current deck is dead.

Why do we do this to ourselves?
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If I could get back to satisfied I’d quit, or at least would like to think that I would. But I wouldn’t.

Interested to see what you think between the ace and the venture, as I still pursue whatever isn’t Indy

I haven't been following your quest too closely so you may have already tried Thunders, but if not, I'd actually really recommend those. I was a fellow Indy-lifer that was ready to try something new - Venture was cool but I knew it wasn't the right feel. Thunder on the other hand turned out really sick. Got 148 team hallows maybe 2 months ago now? Been skating a lot, and I haven't even needed to tighten or loosen them from stock. They feel like how I would try to do tons of tinkering to get my Indys to feel.... and I just never gave them a chance before ha! I'd say closer to a Indy stage 10 feel but with a longer wheelbase, if I had to compare. I'm pretty sold.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 14, 2019, 01:00:28 PM
I assume venture will run a 5.6 titanium or hollow next season no? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 14, 2019, 02:28:09 PM
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I am 100% satisfied with my 5.8 Venture High Titanium's with bones medium bushings. And yet still bought a set of ACE 44's just cause I couldn't pass up the deal. I am going to set them up after my current deck is dead.

Why do we do this to ourselves?
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If I could get back to satisfied I’d quit, or at least would like to think that I would. But I wouldn’t.

Interested to see what you think between the ace and the venture, as I still pursue whatever isn’t Indy
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I haven't been following your quest too closely so you may have already tried Thunders, but if not, I'd actually really recommend those. I was a fellow Indy-lifer that was ready to try something new - Venture was cool but I knew it wasn't the right feel. Thunder on the other hand turned out really sick. Got 148 team hallows maybe 2 months ago now? Been skating a lot, and I haven't even needed to tighten or loosen them from stock. They feel like how I would try to do tons of tinkering to get my Indys to feel.... and I just never gave them a chance before ha! I'd say closer to a Indy stage 10 feel but with a longer wheelbase, if I had to compare. I'm pretty sold.

This is sick advice thanks. Trying to figure 149 v 148....questin. So silly. Need to quit wasting the day and get outside

Thanks for help
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AssFlea on October 14, 2019, 02:45:52 PM
Quote from: rob on October 07, 2019, 07:33:44 PM
I was wondering

If axle slip is such a thing why don’t they just drill holes into the axle so when they lay the axles in the mold and pour in the aluminum mixture the hangars will mold and fill into the axle holes and hold them in place

Now the axle is held in place by the material

Also why didn’t grind king come out with a 8.25 truck?

All I see is 5.0,5.5, and 6.0

And supposedly the 5.5 is an 8

that's what grind king kinda did. Those were heavily machined
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on October 14, 2019, 05:55:12 PM
Quote from: rob on October 14, 2019, 10:27:35 AM


BBK if your still out there, do the pivot cups on your destructos stick out?


Glad to hear your recovered and skating, and skating more than well  ;D
I actually got a set where one was flush and the other stuck up a bit. It made it hard to get different bushings to fit when I had just set them up and tried to see how they'd feel, so I switched them both out for some orange mini logo cups that was a bit smaller and just ran with it, still riding them with the same cups, and I set them up sometime early spring this year.

Thanks guys! I was extremely lucky.
I was in medicinal coma for 12,5 days and sometime in the middle my family had to hear that it was 50/50 that I would wake up, and when/if I woke up they had no idea how or if I'd function. This is the absolute worst thing ever, I hate that I put them through that. I don't take blame for it, but it's still because of me they had to sit there, and that fuckin' sucks. I woke up as soon as they tried though, apparently recognized my mom right away. After like a week in the hospital after I woke up I was transferred to a hospital with rehab, and I was supposed to be there for a 3-4 weeks, but they signed me out after 4 days because I was already so far along in my recovery. After 2 months on the day I tried to actually skate again. I had been rolling around a bit already and tried a few ollies and stuff even before that. Holy fuck jumping up on a foot high ledge was scary that first day, but I got back to it pretty quickly.

This was 4 months after it happened:
http://www.instagram.com/p/2Y-UFPudmh/

and 6 months:
http://www.instagram.com/p/4pSxMjudkM/

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 14, 2019, 09:40:22 PM
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BBK if your still out there, do the pivot cups on your destructos stick out?


Glad to hear your recovered and skating, and skating more than well  ;D
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I actually got a set where one was flush and the other stuck up a bit. It made it hard to get different bushings to fit when I had just set them up and tried to see how they'd feel, so I switched them both out for some orange mini logo cups that was a bit smaller and just ran with it, still riding them with the same cups, and I set them up sometime early spring this year.

Thanks guys! I was extremely lucky.
I was in medicinal coma for 12,5 days and sometime in the middle my family had to hear that it was 50/50 that I would wake up, and when/if I woke up they had no idea how or if I'd function. This is the absolute worst thing ever, I hate that I put them through that. I don't take blame for it, but it's still because of me they had to sit there, and that fuckin' sucks. I woke up as soon as they tried though, apparently recognized my mom right away. After like a week in the hospital after I woke up I was transferred to a hospital with rehab, and I was supposed to be there for a 3-4 weeks, but they signed me out after 4 days because I was already so far along in my recovery. After 2 months on the day I tried to actually skate again. I had been rolling around a bit already and tried a few ollies and stuff even before that. Holy fuck jumping up on a foot high ledge was scary that first day, but I got back to it pretty quickly.

This was 4 months after it happened:
http://www.instagram.com/p/2Y-UFPudmh/

and 6 months:
http://www.instagram.com/p/4pSxMjudkM/

Dang dude that sounds crazy, glad you made a quick and healthy recovery!

And thanks for clarifying on the pivot cups, guess I’ll probably swap them for the ace pivot cups cause same here

The pivot cups sticking out make it weird how the bushings sit, im tinkering with the destructos and every time I put the hangar back on it’s pushed back more than it should be until I just jam everything on and tighten it down a little and rock the hangars in place back and forth and then the bushings set into place

Man you riding the destructos that way and how much you’ve progressed just pushes me to try them more before I really put them in the regretted gear section
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: weedgod94 on October 15, 2019, 12:22:47 PM
Quote from: rob on October 07, 2019, 07:33:44 PM
why don’t they just drill holes into the axle
weak point, more likely to snap. some precision longboard trucks have done this with set screws but now most just thread in axles.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FROTHY on October 16, 2019, 09:59:57 AM
Cylinder bottom bushing vs conical...What's the deal with that?

I just bought some orange indy bushings. I opted for the conical ones because I imagine they turn easier. Didn't get to try them yet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 16, 2019, 10:08:42 AM
Quote from: FROTHY on October 16, 2019, 09:59:57 AM
Cylinder bottom bushing vs conical...What's the deal with that?

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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mr. Stinky on October 16, 2019, 10:52:35 AM
Got some new bushings and Krux inverted kingpins to try with some Stage VIII 146s (like 149s, but 3 less I guess?) I had lying around.  Folks, it pleases me to report that they are in fact quite good.  The infamously bad Stage VIII clearance is a non issue with the new kingpin, and I did the Ace thing and put a softer bottom bushing and a harder top bushing and it seems to knock down on a little on wobbles out of transitions and things like that.  They turn and recenter very nicely, like Indies should, but honestly they're just like a Stage XI that cuts a little deeper and still wheelbites like mad.  Pop feels exactly right, almost the same height as a forged hollow (53mm, pretty sure) and I think they shrink the wheelbase a tiny bit more than Stage XIs. 

The best thing about them is how they grind.  Stage XIs definitely are faster, but also feel harder than Aces, which feel soft but extremely smooth.  The Stage VIIIs must have used a different formula for the hangers because they feel like ice.  Just fast as hell, smooth, sound real loud on ledges when you lock in going fast.  I might honestly keep them on one setup all the time because they're just so fun to ride and nothing else I've tried recently feels quite like them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on October 16, 2019, 11:07:30 AM
Quote from: Xen on October 16, 2019, 10:08:42 AM
Quote from: FROTHY on October 16, 2019, 09:59:57 AM
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Cylinder bottom bushing vs conical...What's the deal with that?
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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/3KyrMxmqUs_tHNlIElz15NQxPd73vCGalbjyBHnutEG0kswhVDIDruannXqkQu-JbRaMyyd7Andksq-BUiA778Th0khcmOhWZ2GuRDAUL2gh7zYg_hRX8x9G_n4Q9v0eF0ZjkWumQbM=w2400)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/F8azk6Mv3JSwC1D4Qt9LK-Tu5Gb9YX42w6ZPLF2H4FfDj9xAUmqpd4jZUMGl3pi0mG5b9qNpYGzV0AdPHkIa3SBX1WjMovtJcwGi3BBze_3oSo3lljI-_DlEQ_vro1LtRdENWH5veGE=w2400)

this should be stickied along with the graphic about the effects of different trucks on wheelbase
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 16, 2019, 12:40:14 PM
Anyone checked out the Thunder 161s yet? I presume they are the same height as the 149/ 151s?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on October 16, 2019, 01:14:44 PM
Quote from: Mr. Stinky on October 16, 2019, 10:52:35 AM
Got some new bushings and Krux inverted kingpins to try with some Stage VIII 146s (like 149s, but 3 less I guess?) I had lying around.  Folks, it pleases me to report that they are in fact quite good.  The infamously bad Stage VIII clearance is a non issue with the new kingpin, and I did the Ace thing and put a softer bottom bushing and a harder top bushing and it seems to knock down on a little on wobbles out of transitions and things like that.  They turn and recenter very nicely, like Indies should, but honestly they're just like a Stage XI that cuts a little deeper and still wheelbites like mad.  Pop feels exactly right, almost the same height as a forged hollow (53mm, pretty sure) and I think they shrink the wheelbase a tiny bit more than Stage XIs. 

The best thing about them is how they grind.  Stage XIs definitely are faster, but also feel harder than Aces, which feel soft but extremely smooth.  The Stage VIIIs must have used a different formula for the hangers because they feel like ice.  Just fast as hell, smooth, sound real loud on ledges when you lock in going fast.  I might honestly keep them on one setup all the time because they're just so fun to ride and nothing else I've tried recently feels quite like them.

Nice man! I used krux pins in my stage 7’s before I sold them off. Ice is exactly how I would describe it. The smoothness and insanely fast grind was unlike any other truck. I find the grind between stage 11’s and Ace to be indistinguishable. It’s the turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: What a find on October 16, 2019, 06:39:06 PM
Quote from: software on October 16, 2019, 04:11:40 PM
Does anyone have the krux 9.0? I'm eyeballing them for a cruiser setup. Am I making a mistake?

Idk man but I'm tempted by the hole

It's a nice hole

I want to draw inside of it, you know feel it out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on October 16, 2019, 06:42:05 PM
Quote from: software on October 16, 2019, 04:11:40 PM
Does anyone have the krux 9.0? I'm eyeballing them for a cruiser setup. Am I making a mistake?

if you want your cruiser to just go in straight lines and not turn, go for the Krux.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on October 16, 2019, 09:05:37 PM
Quote from: software on October 16, 2019, 04:11:40 PM
Does anyone have the krux 9.0? I'm eyeballing them for a cruiser setup. Am I making a mistake?


They objectively turn worse compared to standard trucks. For a cruiser you absolutely want your trucks to turn reliably.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh6dADzSC4w&t=
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on October 16, 2019, 09:20:45 PM
Quote from: software on October 16, 2019, 04:11:40 PM
Does anyone have the krux 9.0? I'm eyeballing them for a cruiser setup. Am I making a mistake?

Do you ride Krux on your normal setup? I've always found the most benefit from having the same brand trucks on my normal setup and my cruiser. It makes the differences in deck shape and wheel duro less jarring when the turn is as similar as possible.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on October 17, 2019, 09:49:36 AM
Quote from: palelight on October 16, 2019, 09:20:45 PM
Quote from: software on October 16, 2019, 04:11:40 PM
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Does anyone have the krux 9.0? I'm eyeballing them for a cruiser setup. Am I making a mistake?
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Do you ride Krux on your normal setup? I've always found the most benefit from having the same brand trucks on my normal setup and my cruiser. It makes the differences in deck shape and wheel duro less jarring when the turn is as similar as possible.

I have to agree with this. Especially when you consider a large portion of cruisers have a larger wheelbase, so if you normally skate Indy’s on a 14.25 thunders on a 14.5 wheelbase might be miserable.

Almost got that chico guest board because of the small wheelbase
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on October 18, 2019, 06:13:59 AM
So my bushings have been squeaking and creaking and it doesn’t matter whether I use 88 or 92 durometer they squeak and don’t turn.

I placed the bushings in a plastic bag and mixed in speed cream and let sit 5 min.

When I installed them my board was turning like crazy with no squeaking. I think the bushings were just dry Or catching on the metal washer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on October 19, 2019, 10:45:39 AM
Quote from: yourbreakfsat on October 16, 2019, 09:05:37 PM
Quote from: software on October 16, 2019, 04:11:40 PM
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Does anyone have the krux 9.0? I'm eyeballing them for a cruiser setup. Am I making a mistake?
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They objectively turn worse compared to standard trucks. For a cruiser you absolutely want your trucks to turn reliably.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh6dADzSC4w&t=

They turn objectively LESS than most trucks. Sharper turn ain't always the best.

Monthly PSA: I have Krux trucks with Ace bushings on both my setups and it's fantastic. Perfectly good turn, stable at high speeds, considerably less wheel bite. They have a great middle of the road wheel base and good height (55mm), for a cruiser especially. Their stock bushings are not good. They turn way smoother and sharper with better bushings, but they still retain the hard feel at the very end of the turn that helps prevent wheel bite. I think it's because they have a longer cock than most trucks. I ride them with the kingpin flush and they are still a solid medium btw.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 19, 2019, 01:39:44 PM
I just think on a cruiser you want to carve a bunch which is why I'd get aces and why I'd think twice about Krux but if they are cheap and you don't give a shit I'm sure they're good enough....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 19, 2019, 01:51:52 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 19, 2019, 01:39:44 PM
I just think on a cruiser you want to carve a bunch which is why I'd get aces and why I'd think twice about Krux but if they are cheap and you don't give a shit I'm sure they're good enough....


Strong agree. If it’s only about the turn, Ace
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 19, 2019, 02:09:01 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on October 17, 2019, 09:49:36 AM
Quote from: palelight on October 16, 2019, 09:20:45 PM
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Quote from: software on October 16, 2019, 04:11:40 PM
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Does anyone have the krux 9.0? I'm eyeballing them for a cruiser setup. Am I making a mistake?
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Do you ride Krux on your normal setup? I've always found the most benefit from having the same brand trucks on my normal setup and my cruiser. It makes the differences in deck shape and wheel duro less jarring when the turn is as similar as possible.
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I have to agree with this. Especially when you consider a large portion of cruisers have a larger wheelbase, so if you normally skate Indy’s on a 14.25 thunders on a 14.5 wheelbase might be miserable.

Almost got that chico guest board because of the small wheelbase

Yes! I just opt for softer bushings in the cruiser. Having indys on your board and ACE on your cruiser isn't as jarring to me as having Thunders/Ventures on your board and Indy/ACE on the cruiser. Stick to one camp or the other depending on how much you use the cruiser and vice versa; or, skate whateverthefuck you want :P
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 19, 2019, 10:33:54 PM
I just still think it's fun riding different trucks and set ups....no need to put 148 ti thunders on my zip zinger....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on October 19, 2019, 11:23:05 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 19, 2019, 10:33:54 PM
I just still think it's fun riding different trucks and set ups....no need to put 148 ti thunders on my zip zinger....

Equally valid point. And sometimes I'm shit at following my own advice (recently just set up a DOA with Ventures cause why the fuck not).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on October 20, 2019, 01:44:37 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 19, 2019, 10:33:54 PM
I just still think it's fun riding different trucks and set ups....no need to put 148 ti thunders on my zip zinger....

I know it's personal preference and all that...but...Although I personally don't like Thunders on my "serious" setups, they're my favorite trucks to put on a cruiser. They're so fucking fun to pump around for speed on flat compared to Indys and Aces.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AssFlea on October 20, 2019, 09:08:55 AM
How do I break loose king pin bolts from the 80s. My brothers trackers are locked up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lashes2ashes on October 21, 2019, 12:08:03 AM
So question for any one that has Indy titanium? I just bought a set about a month ago from tactics. When I was taking my wheels off to clean my bearings I noticed the axle of one of them has a oily blue color like they have in the website pics. The other truck axle is the normal dark color. Is that normal? Or did they send me a normal axle one and a titanium axle one?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on October 21, 2019, 12:27:46 AM
Quote from: Lashes2ashes on October 21, 2019, 12:08:03 AM
So question for any one that has Indy titanium? I just bought a set about a month ago from tactics. When I was taking my wheels off to clean my bearings I noticed the axle of one of them has a oily blue color like they have in the website pics. The other truck axle is the normal dark color. Is that normal? Or did they send me a normal axle one and a titanium axle one?

This might be a dumb suggestion because I have no idea if the titanium Indy uses is solid or an alloy blend, but try a magnet? Titanium is very weakly magnetic, whereas chromoly is very magnetic.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lashes2ashes on October 21, 2019, 01:09:05 AM
Holy shit! I did not even think about trying a magnet. Magnet sticks like normal on my old trucks, the titanium ones has like no stick at all. Thanks a ton dude.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on October 21, 2019, 01:53:53 AM
Quote from: Lashes2ashes on October 21, 2019, 01:09:05 AM
Holy shit! I did not even think about trying a magnet. Magnet sticks like normal on my old trucks, the titanium ones has like no stick at all. Thanks a ton dude.

Not a problem man, glad it worked!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on October 21, 2019, 07:58:22 AM
I've been riding 8.0 with thunder 147s for a bit. Quite stoked on that combo. Just did 3 weeks in NZ and made impulse purchase of Palace Chewy Cannon 8.375 deck and Thunder 149s. Felt kind of neat to just buy some shit and not think about it. Now that I'm home though, I'm thinking about it. A lot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on October 21, 2019, 08:04:25 AM
I’ve been skating 139 Ti Indy’s on 8.25” generator wood boards exclusively for the last couple months. Grabbed a shop board that was south central and it was noticeably heavier wood. Probably a trivial amount of grams we’re talking, but it haunted me in my sleep. Went back to the generator. Now I’m convinced I can’t go back to a heavy wide set-up ever again. :o
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 21, 2019, 08:08:02 AM
Quote from: fang on October 21, 2019, 07:58:22 AM
I've been riding 8.0 with thunder 147s for a bit. Quite stoked on that combo. Just did 3 weeks in NZ and made impulse purchase of Palace Chewy Cannon 8.375 deck and Thunder 149s. Felt kind of neat to just buy some shit and not think about it. Now that I'm home though, I'm thinking about it. A lot.

I’m usually in that 8/147 range for personal comfort.
I recently got an 8.38/149s. Huge nose, wanted to try something different.
So far mostly good. For sure somethings will be different/less good, at least at first. Feels great to roll around. Best 3flips I’ve had in a long while.
I’m not sure why I didn’t get 148s....maybe because it would make too much sense? I tend to skate board between 8-8.4. Soooooo. I blame my extreme personality.
You’ll for sure have fun on it tho, bigger boards absolutely ‘feel’ better to me. And by bigger I mean over 7.75.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 21, 2019, 11:29:43 PM
I think it kinda makes sense....I ran two set ups for a bit 8" and an 8.5" then I scrapped em both and set up 8.25's.....it's a process....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 22, 2019, 09:50:59 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 21, 2019, 11:29:43 PM
I think it kinda makes sense....I ran two set ups for a bit 8" and an 8.5" then I scrapped em both and set up 8.25's.....it's a process....

Ha. It is a process. Are you running the 8.25 deck on 148s? Is it more the best of both worlds, or the most mediocre? (My mind doesn’t like the concept of the middle path, moderation...etc etc)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CaptainCheeks on October 23, 2019, 09:20:28 AM
I'm 190 and want some bones bushings for my Indy's should I get hard or mediums if I like my trucks loose but not super wobbly
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on October 23, 2019, 09:30:09 AM
Quote from: CaptainCheeks on October 23, 2019, 09:20:28 AM
I'm 190 and want some bones bushings for my Indy's should I get hard or mediums if I like my trucks loose but not super wobbly

Bones hards take too long to break in where they feel like a medium. Just get the mediums, but no matter what...all Bones will break either the urethane will separate from the core or the plastic core will start to crack or both. Your best bet is to get Indy 92-94a aftermarket conicals.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: weedgod94 on October 23, 2019, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: CaptainCheeks on October 23, 2019, 09:20:28 AM
I'm 190 and want some bones bushings for my Indy's should I get hard or mediums if I like my trucks loose but not super wobbly
get the orange indy cones maybe the blues if you you ride 149 or wider
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on October 23, 2019, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: CaptainCheeks on October 23, 2019, 09:20:28 AM
I'm 190 and want some bones bushings for my Indy's should I get hard or mediums if I like my trucks loose but not super wobbly

I'm just over 190 and right my trucks a solid medium, stable when setting up for tricks but can easily turn but also nowhere near the point of them rattling when you shake your board. When I had indys I liked bones hards more. They're too tight at first, but you can just run them with no washers until you feel like they're loose enough, then add the flat top washer in. Mediums are really nice from the start but get too soft for me and fall apart noticeably quicker than the hards.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: poor alice on October 23, 2019, 02:33:01 PM
I've had been riding thunder 149s on 8.125 / 8.2 boards for years and recently went down to 8". That felt comfortable for a bit but then I wanted a 7.9, which became difficult to find. Settled on the closest thing and had one session on 7.875 Toy Machine while also getting 147 Thunders.
I'm back to 8" with the 147s, riding that for a few months now and I'm not convinced 8" is right.  At this stage it feels not so much a process working out what feels right, but rather what feels less wrong.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 23, 2019, 05:56:55 PM
Quote from: poor alice on October 23, 2019, 02:33:01 PM
I've had been riding thunder 149s on 8.125 / 8.2 boards for years and recently went down to 8". That felt comfortable for a bit but then I wanted a 7.9, which became difficult to find. Settled on the closest thing and had one session on 7.875 Toy Machine while also getting 147 Thunders.
I'm back to 8" with the 147s, riding that for a few months now and I'm not convinced 8" is right.  At this stage it feels not so much a process working out what feels right, but rather what feels less wrong.

It's been forever since I rode an 8" Not even sure I can anymore, the smallest I can go seems to be 8.125"/8.18" but stick with 8.25" - riding 8.25" trucks exclusively now (sold off/gave away everything else) as it allows me to jump from 8.18 to 8.3 without having to use different trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drewbearz on October 24, 2019, 05:57:22 AM
I'm riding on indy 144's right now. Using aftermarket blue conical bushings.

At first I hated these bushings and took them right off. I ended up putting them back on, tightening them a bit and now I'm a pretty big fan. I'd really like to try some indy lows though and to be honest, as solid as they are, I just don't know if independents are for me.

Like I like them, but I kind of don't. I'm considering some ventures but I'm worried that they'll just suck. Back in the day I skated destructos and royals. I liked them then but cannot ever see buying either of those brands again. They seem like trash now. Probably were then too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on October 24, 2019, 06:57:52 AM
Quote from: poor alice on October 23, 2019, 02:33:01 PM
I've had been riding thunder 149s on 8.125 / 8.2 boards for years and recently went down to 8". That felt comfortable for a bit but then I wanted a 7.9, which became difficult to find. Settled on the closest thing and had one session on 7.875 Toy Machine while also getting 147 Thunders.
I'm back to 8" with the 147s, riding that for a few months now and I'm not convinced 8" is right.  At this stage it feels not so much a process working out what feels right, but rather what feels less wrong.

149's work for me on anything over an 8.1, if its 8 it's 147.
If you take the two hangers side by side and see how fractional the difference is (and wonder why anybody needed 148s) that may help you get out the truck tweeker headspace this thread generates.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on October 24, 2019, 10:35:42 AM
Quote from: Jollyoli on October 24, 2019, 06:57:52 AM
Quote from: poor alice on October 23, 2019, 02:33:01 PM
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I've had been riding thunder 149s on 8.125 / 8.2 boards for years and recently went down to 8". That felt comfortable for a bit but then I wanted a 7.9, which became difficult to find. Settled on the closest thing and had one session on 7.875 Toy Machine while also getting 147 Thunders.
I'm back to 8" with the 147s, riding that for a few months now and I'm not convinced 8" is right.  At this stage it feels not so much a process working out what feels right, but rather what feels less wrong.
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149's work for me on anything over an 8.1, if its 8 it's 147.
If you take the two hangers side by side and see how fractional the difference is (and wonder why anybody needed 148s) that may help you get out the truck tweeker headspace this thread generates.

I agree with this, the difference is minimal I've used 149's on an 8.25, If you ride very wide wheels it may be noticeable but I don't so that has never been an issue for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on October 24, 2019, 01:50:14 PM
149 indy (or thunder) are perfect on an 8.25.  even with wide wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 24, 2019, 01:52:59 PM
Quote from: poor alice on October 23, 2019, 02:33:01 PM
I've had been riding thunder 149s on 8.125 / 8.2 boards for years and recently went down to 8". That felt comfortable for a bit but then I wanted a 7.9, which became difficult to find. Settled on the closest thing and had one session on 7.875 Toy Machine while also getting 147 Thunders.
I'm back to 8" with the 147s, riding that for a few months now and I'm not convinced 8" is right.  At this stage it feels not so much a process working out what feels right, but rather what feels less wrong.

It seems pretty plain as day to me.....8.125 on 148's....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 24, 2019, 03:33:14 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 24, 2019, 01:52:59 PM
Quote from: poor alice on October 23, 2019, 02:33:01 PM
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I've had been riding thunder 149s on 8.125 / 8.2 boards for years and recently went down to 8". That felt comfortable for a bit but then I wanted a 7.9, which became difficult to find. Settled on the closest thing and had one session on 7.875 Toy Machine while also getting 147 Thunders.
I'm back to 8" with the 147s, riding that for a few months now and I'm not convinced 8" is right.  At this stage it feels not so much a process working out what feels right, but rather what feels less wrong.
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It seems pretty plain as day to me.....8.125 on 148's....

It's a really nice combo....8.25" are just super versatile.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 24, 2019, 10:05:22 PM
Quote from: Xen on October 24, 2019, 03:33:14 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 24, 2019, 01:52:59 PM
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Quote from: poor alice on October 23, 2019, 02:33:01 PM
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I've had been riding thunder 149s on 8.125 / 8.2 boards for years and recently went down to 8". That felt comfortable for a bit but then I wanted a 7.9, which became difficult to find. Settled on the closest thing and had one session on 7.875 Toy Machine while also getting 147 Thunders.
I'm back to 8" with the 147s, riding that for a few months now and I'm not convinced 8" is right.  At this stage it feels not so much a process working out what feels right, but rather what feels less wrong.
[close]

It seems pretty plain as day to me.....8.125 on 148's....
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It's a really nice combo....8.25" are just super versatile.

Really enjoying thunder 149s, just teams. I think 148s next, as i do like to skate 8s occasionally. I feel like it’s a little princess and the pea, but I could go 8-8.5 which is really gonna be the widest range.
Blah blah
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on October 25, 2019, 11:44:37 AM
Bigass post about those Tensor ATG trucks incoming

Ok so since there's not a ton of info on these trucks I figured I'd let people know how these are. Short answer is that the ALUMINUM ones are my current favorite truck, great turn, grind and other various details. The reason I stress the aluminum versions is because I managed to break my original pair of maglites:

(https://i.imgur.com/0Yxp3bj.jpg)

What happened was I'd been dialing crooks for a few hours on a ledge and must have applied a lot of force to the nub of the truck that fits into the pivot cup. This actually wasn't the first time I'd done this, I'd had it happen with a pair of thunders so I wasn't super shocked. I'm over foot 6 and break a lot of gear so I think I'm a rare case to be fair but just letting people know. I hit up tensor and they were great, they sent me TWO pairs of the aluminum trucks which I'm riding now:

(https://i.imgur.com/UEAacwx.jpg)

The turn, it's inbetween thunder and indy/ace. The wheelbase is also between those two trucks so it doesn't shock me. To be fair it's very much got it's own style of turning, but it's easiest to describe it with comparisons. I found I couldn't turn quite as deep as ace, but I was WAY more stable setting up for tricks and a bit better for balancing manuals once I got used to the new manual point. For me the tradeoff was worth it since the difference in turning radius is honestly imperceptible to me when I'm just skating and not focusing on the trucks differences. Break in time with the bushings was just one session. Overall the turn felt great to me. To be honest the only trucks that had a disappointing turn to me were ventures, krux had an ok one until you realized the radius was kinda shit. I'd say it's on par with other trucks and just comes down to your preference.

The grind for the mags and the regular ones are both solid. Basically the mags grind down faster, but you get nice grooves quicker. Once you get the groove the wear slows down. The mags also grind a bit smoother on certain things, especially rough stuff, but I found them kinda slower on "sharper" ledges that would leave lots of metal shavings from the trucks. It's not like those theeve TiH trucks where there will be a massive difference between grinding surfaces. The one thing is I tend to prefer round trucks like indys and aces for nosegrinds and crooks but you get used to it so fast it's not really a deal breaker.

As for details, the little nubs on the bottom of the baseplate are the best thing I didn't think I'd notice. I always get really warped baseplates after doing lots of tail and noseslides, then the truck shifts and pressure cracks seem to show up as a result. Those little nubs seem to be making a really positive difference so far. The kingpin clearance is solid, better than ace and thunder. I think it's on par with indy stage 11s, theeve and destructo that all have about 5mm of clearance give or take. I think venture highs and reverse kingpin trucks are the only other trucks that have noticeably more. I never had issues, especially smithing ledges which I didn't really enjoy on aces. The baseplate also sticks out enough that you don't have to worry about wheels touching for slides. I always found this really annoying with thunders, obviously you can power through it but it seems like a problem that shouldn't exist with a modern truck. The trucks are 55mm high at the axle and and feel great popping tricks. It took about a session to get used to it from the aces (52mm high?) and after that I haven't had an issue with ghost pop. The weight of the regular aluminum ones is basically the same as aces, but you feel it when you pop and flick tricks a bit more, I imagine cause of the wider wheelbase. I really like it since it doesn't slow me down and I can "feel out" where my board is in motion easily. If you do want a light fucking truck the mags are great too. I'm riding the 5.75 trucks which are 8.5 inches wide. I know some sites say they're 8.375 but I can confirm they all measure 8.5 inches.

Sorry for all the blocks of text.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on October 25, 2019, 12:53:08 PM
Have the 5.75 raw aluminum on now too. 8.5” wide for sure. I’ve been liking them. Squeaked on me but was fixed w a little love in the pivot cup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on October 25, 2019, 01:12:56 PM

So the entire tensor mag light truck is magnesium alloy, not just the baseplate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on October 25, 2019, 01:16:13 PM
Quote from: TwisT on October 25, 2019, 01:12:56 PM

So the entire tensor mag light truck is magnesium alloy, not just the baseplate?

That's right
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on October 25, 2019, 01:29:14 PM
What's really good is that Tensor ATG writeup! Big ups! 👍

They seem like solid trucks. I probably don't need new trucks for years but once I do I might consider these. Ditching Aces won't happen easily though. 🤔
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on October 25, 2019, 01:55:32 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on October 25, 2019, 12:53:08 PM
Have the 5.75 raw aluminum on now too. 8.5” wide for sure. I’ve been liking them. Squeaked on me but was fixed w a little love in the pivot cup.

Same, for me it just stopped after a few sessions. I'm glad tensor finally made a truck that turns lol

Quote from: Roisto on October 25, 2019, 01:29:14 PM
What's really good is that Tensor ATG writeup! Big ups! 👍

They seem like solid trucks. I probably don't need new trucks for years but once I do I might consider these. Ditching Aces won't happen easily though. 🤔

Don't fix what isn't broken. Only reason I swapped over was I'd started grinding into the kingpin on non-dipped grinds. I also have the V1s that blow through pivot cups. I think the V3s fix these issues, I just felt like trying something new.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on October 25, 2019, 04:08:18 PM
What's the verdict on bushings/pivot cups for them, is stock all good? I've been skating some venture tis for just over a month with no problems at all but these sound really tempting to try. Besides the turn, how would you say they compare to ventures? If only they didn't say TENSOR on the baseplate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on October 25, 2019, 04:50:50 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on October 25, 2019, 04:08:18 PM
What's the verdict on bushings/pivot cups for them, is stock all good? I've been skating some venture tis for just over a month with no problems at all but these sound really tempting to try. Besides the turn, how would you say they compare to ventures? If only they didn't say TENSOR on the baseplate.

They've been amazing for me stock, they're these "interlocking" bushings so they fill up the little well in the truck. I found a picture that actually shows what I'm talking about.

(https://i.imgur.com/WWEspuL.png)

Pivot cups seem solid too. I actually threw them in my aces for a period of time since they kept getting destroyed and they actually held up really well there too. I haven't had any issues with the bushings cracking either. One thing my buddy pointed out was he noticed the pop out of a crook felt better. I dunno if it's cause the extra meat of the bushing from the "interlocking" part gives you more recoil or some shit? Either way it felt good. Personally I was disappointed with my ventures when I had a pair. I had the high ones for an 8.25 deck and I remember having them as loose as possible wishing they'd turn more. I thought after breaking them in they'd get better but that never happened. Those trucks were stable and grinded well, but my tensors do that and turn better so for me there's no contest. Really if you don't factor turning they're similar trucks that offer good stability but that's why I prefer these much more personally. I honestly don't care about the branding, every company does it and they're a standard raw truck. Worst case you could sand that down but I cannot imagine any circumstance where someone notices and gives a shit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 25, 2019, 05:26:35 PM
I switched from the Venture Hype-Train to Tensor ATG mags (8.25") as well; and your write sums up what I'm feeling.

Won't go as deep as ACEs (but nothing else does so that's a moot point ;) - they feel like carvier Thunders but still stable; I had forgotten just how light they are. I'd put them up against Theeves any day (giving the nod to the Tensors as they are just a bit quicker/more responsive).

Bit squeaky out of the gate but isn't everything? One thing I did was take off the top washer and put on a bones top washer; the stock washer was clearly binding on turns (they seem abnormally big in circumference) as I ride very loose.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on October 25, 2019, 05:51:15 PM
Quote from: Xen on October 25, 2019, 05:26:35 PM
I switched from the Venture Hype-Train to Tensor ATG mags (8.25") as well; and your write sums up what I'm feeling.

Won't go as deep as ACEs (but nothing else does that's moot ;) - they fee like carvier Thunders but still stable; I had forgotten just how light they are. I'd put them up against Theeves any day (giving the nod to the Tensors as they are just a bit quicker/more responsive).

Bit squeaky out of the gate but isn't everything? One thing I did was take off the top washer and put on a bones top washer; the stock washer was clearly binding on turns (they seem abnormally big in circumference) as I ride very loose.

Yup, agree with all those points, I might go and swap out the top washers now that you've mentioned it. Carvier thunders that are still stable is the most apt short description I'd give them. Definitely keeping the aces for a cruiser. I have no issue recommending them to anyone and gotta give credit to tensor for getting their shit together compared to past trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 25, 2019, 11:02:19 PM
I’m gonnna express my kookiness


Did any of you guys riding thunders notice the text is printed in a slanted way now for the newer sets compared to the old sets?

I was getting some 148 since my last pair got run over sadly and noticed some of them had the classic old thunder text print but these new ones had this slanted italics print

So if your a kook like me you can now point out which set is a brand new new batch

I was bugging out cause as a kook monger I had to have a matching set with the new slanted text

Love them a lot

Idk about you guys but I feel like after a few runs the mold gets redone for better smoother batches with less defects and unneeded bulk

They’re just the standard team but they feel slightly lighter than my last pair of 148 standards
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on October 26, 2019, 12:47:15 AM
Shit, just copped some atg mag tensors, hope they shit on my ventures even though I have no real complaints (except the slow turning)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on October 26, 2019, 02:01:51 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on October 26, 2019, 12:47:15 AM
Shit, just copped some atg mag tensors, hope they shit on my ventures even though I have no real complaints (except the slow turning)

For me they basically feel like ventures if you improved the turn. Hope they work out for you man.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on October 26, 2019, 02:06:36 AM
Quote from: whatsreallygood on October 26, 2019, 02:01:51 AM
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Shit, just copped some atg mag tensors, hope they shit on my ventures even though I have no real complaints (except the slow turning)
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For me they basically feel like ventures if you improved the turn. Hope they work out for you man.

Thanks, the ledge I skate after work every day is also super chunky concrete so if they're good on that like people say that will be sick. Not too hyped about the matte finish on the mags though but oh well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on October 26, 2019, 02:28:03 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on October 26, 2019, 02:06:36 AM
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Shit, just copped some atg mag tensors, hope they shit on my ventures even though I have no real complaints (except the slow turning)
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For me they basically feel like ventures if you improved the turn. Hope they work out for you man.
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Thanks, the ledge I skate after work every day is also super chunky concrete so if they're good on that like people say that will be sick. Not too hyped about the matte finish on the mags though but oh well.

For sure, I saw some people on here saying the magnesium was super slick. Personally I didn't find that to be the case and just found they were more forgiving on rougher materials since the magnesium makes the truck metal slightly softer. I wish they had raws for the mags too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on October 26, 2019, 11:40:45 AM
Found the accurate sizing so I'm just posting that as well

(https://i.imgur.com/sdCSUZU.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on October 26, 2019, 02:12:13 PM
Quote from: whatsreallygood on October 26, 2019, 02:28:03 AM
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Shit, just copped some atg mag tensors, hope they shit on my ventures even though I have no real complaints (except the slow turning)
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For me they basically feel like ventures if you improved the turn. Hope they work out for you man.
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Thanks, the ledge I skate after work every day is also super chunky concrete so if they're good on that like people say that will be sick. Not too hyped about the matte finish on the mags though but oh well.
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For sure, I saw some people on here saying the magnesium was super slick. Personally I didn't find that to be the case and just found they were more forgiving on rougher materials since the magnesium makes the truck metal slightly softer. I wish they had raws for the mags too.

Wait you mean the silver on the mags is painted on?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on October 26, 2019, 02:51:39 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on October 26, 2019, 02:12:13 PM
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Shit, just copped some atg mag tensors, hope they shit on my ventures even though I have no real complaints (except the slow turning)
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For me they basically feel like ventures if you improved the turn. Hope they work out for you man.
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Thanks, the ledge I skate after work every day is also super chunky concrete so if they're good on that like people say that will be sick. Not too hyped about the matte finish on the mags though but oh well.
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For sure, I saw some people on here saying the magnesium was super slick. Personally I didn't find that to be the case and just found they were more forgiving on rougher materials since the magnesium makes the truck metal slightly softer. I wish they had raws for the mags too.
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Wait you mean the silver on the mags is painted on?

Naw, that matte grey color is consistent throughout the truck. When you grind it though you get more of a shine/polish that looks like a raw aluminum truck. You can see what I mean in the photos from the earlier post. I just like the look of raw trucks aesthetically, that's all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oldbummer on October 26, 2019, 02:58:32 PM
Was this the thread asking about the create a skate/Paul Schmitt height vs. wheelbase chart?

https://www.instagram.com/p/B4GGer2n9a2/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Freight Train on October 26, 2019, 03:52:48 PM
159s Stage 10, still USA made. Stock yellow Indy bushing in front, soft red Indy bushing in back. Front kingpin nut edges flush with the tip of the kingpin. Back truck slightly looser. Bushing washers top and bottom. Wheels no bigger than 54 and I never ride risers. I use the axle washers and bearing spacers. Pretty standard setup nothing too wild
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 26, 2019, 04:05:30 PM
Quote from: oldbummer on October 26, 2019, 02:58:32 PM
Was this the thread asking about the create a skate/Paul Schmitt height vs. wheelbase chart?

https://www.instagram.com/p/B4GGer2n9a2/

That Natas interview was super influential on me also. Lower riser set up on the back truck for quicker snap!

However, I don't know how useful Schmitt's assessment really is. There's more at play than height.... preference, terrain you are riding, board and truck width, and so on...

I will say that being 6' anything under 14.25" is too squirrely in a bowl and with anything over 15" I can't tre-flip... so my sweet zone is 14.25" to 14.75" depending on how i'm feeling... so maybe I should listen to the lab coat....

here's the full Natas interview. Worth a read...

https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/magazine/may-1988/ (https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/magazine/may-1988/)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on October 26, 2019, 05:11:41 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 26, 2019, 04:05:30 PM
That Natas interview was super influential on me also. Lower riser set up on the back truck for quicker snap!

However, I don't know how useful Schmitt's assessment really is. There's more at play than height.... preference, terrain you are riding, board and truck width, and so on...

I will say that being 6' anything under 14.25" is too squirrely in a bowl and with anything over 15" I can't tre-flip... so my sweet zone is 14.25" to 14.75" depending on how i'm feeling... so maybe I should listen to the lab coat....

here's the full Natas interview. Worth a read...

https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/magazine/may-1988/ (https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/magazine/may-1988/)

I'd say you have your preferences figured out. And that chart is just, I'll put it politely, too broad to be anything other than a starting point. Using a skateboard is not like getting sized up for a golf club, you're doing more than one thing, but a unilateral size chart assumes the opposite - that all things are equal no matter what you're doing/riding. Too many factors at play.

What you're doing (flat/ledges, park/transition etc.) is always going to supersede a catch-all chart. Like that dude on 917, Aaron Loreth, he's like 6'5" and rides 8.3's with Aces doing the most tech shit ( and most 917 boards that size are 14.25 wb). As opposed to some short asses on Anti Hero who are bowl trolling with 14.75-15"+wb decks. Whatever works for you man.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 26, 2019, 06:51:58 PM
Quote from: palelight on October 26, 2019, 05:11:41 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 26, 2019, 04:05:30 PM
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That Natas interview was super influential on me also. Lower riser set up on the back truck for quicker snap!

However, I don't know how useful Schmitt's assessment really is. There's more at play than height.... preference, terrain you are riding, board and truck width, and so on...

I will say that being 6' anything under 14.25" is too squirrely in a bowl and with anything over 15" I can't tre-flip... so my sweet zone is 14.25" to 14.75" depending on how i'm feeling... so maybe I should listen to the lab coat....

here's the full Natas interview. Worth a read...

https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/magazine/may-1988/ (https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/magazine/may-1988/)
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I'd say you have your preferences figured out. And that chart is just, I'll put it politely, too broad to be anything other than a starting point. Using a skateboard is not like getting sized up for a golf club, you're doing more than one thing, but a unilateral size chart assumes the opposite - that all things are equal no matter what you're doing/riding. Too many factors at play.

What you're doing (flat/ledges, park/transition etc.) is always going to supersede a catch-all chart. Like that dude on 917, Aaron Loreth, he's like 6'5" and rides 8.3's with Aces doing the most tech shit ( and most 917 boards that size are 14.25 wb). As opposed to some short asses on Anti Hero who are bowl trolling with 14.75-15"+wb decks. Whatever works for you man.

Shit, look at Joslin, dudes got a mean flatground game on an 8.3/8.5 with 149s...he's not the cleanest stylewise on some tricks but it's whatever feels good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 26, 2019, 07:12:35 PM
Quote from: whatsreallygood on October 25, 2019, 05:51:15 PM
Quote from: Xen on October 25, 2019, 05:26:35 PM
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I switched from the Venture Hype-Train to Tensor ATG mags (8.25") as well; and your write sums up what I'm feeling.

Won't go as deep as ACEs (but nothing else does that's moot ;) - they fee like carvier Thunders but still stable; I had forgotten just how light they are. I'd put them up against Theeves any day (giving the nod to the Tensors as they are just a bit quicker/more responsive).

Bit squeaky out of the gate but isn't everything? One thing I did was take off the top washer and put on a bones top washer; the stock washer was clearly binding on turns (they seem abnormally big in circumference) as I ride very loose.
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Yup, agree with all those points, I might go and swap out the top washers now that you've mentioned it. Carvier thunders that are still stable is the most apt short description I'd give them. Definitely keeping the aces for a cruiser. I have no issue recommending them to anyone and gotta give credit to tensor for getting their shit together compared to past trucks.

Also have to give them a +1 for casting(?)/build quality. Out of the package they were flawless, not a nick, scratch ro blemish anywhere to be seen.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chappers on October 27, 2019, 05:04:16 AM
Quote from: palelight on October 26, 2019, 05:11:41 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 26, 2019, 04:05:30 PM
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That Natas interview was super influential on me also. Lower riser set up on the back truck for quicker snap!

However, I don't know how useful Schmitt's assessment really is. There's more at play than height.... preference, terrain you are riding, board and truck width, and so on...

I will say that being 6' anything under 14.25" is too squirrely in a bowl and with anything over 15" I can't tre-flip... so my sweet zone is 14.25" to 14.75" depending on how i'm feeling... so maybe I should listen to the lab coat....

here's the full Natas interview. Worth a read...

https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/magazine/may-1988/ (https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/magazine/may-1988/)
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I'd say you have your preferences figured out. And that chart is just, I'll put it politely, too broad to be anything other than a starting point. Using a skateboard is not like getting sized up for a golf club, you're doing more than one thing, but a unilateral size chart assumes the opposite - that all things are equal no matter what you're doing/riding. Too many factors at play.

What you're doing (flat/ledges, park/transition etc.) is always going to supersede a catch-all chart. Like that dude on 917, Aaron Loreth, he's like 6'5" and rides 8.3's with Aces doing the most tech shit ( and most 917 boards that size are 14.25 wb). As opposed to some short asses on Anti Hero who are bowl trolling with 14.75-15"+wb decks. Whatever works for you man.

The bulk of 917 boards are actually 14.75 wb, regardless of width
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on October 27, 2019, 05:55:03 AM
Quote from: chappers on October 27, 2019, 05:04:16 AM
The bulk of 917 boards are actually 14.75 wb, regardless of width

They always have a few, Max Palmer rides them for sure (the 14.75"). But they mostly offer lots of 14.25 or under.
https://callme917.com/collections/frontpage/products/ooolson-deck-8-5
https://callme917.com/collections/frontpage/products/touzery-leatherette-deck-8-25
https://callme917.com/collections/frontpage/products/bennett-hot-dice-deck-8-25
https://callme917.com/collections/frontpage/products/palmer-airbrush-deck-8-38

And a bunch more if you wanna look. Last one I had was 14.25 from about 6 months ago(ish).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on October 27, 2019, 10:43:54 AM
Quote from: Xen on October 26, 2019, 07:12:35 PM
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I switched from the Venture Hype-Train to Tensor ATG mags (8.25") as well; and your write sums up what I'm feeling.

Won't go as deep as ACEs (but nothing else does that's moot ;) - they fee like carvier Thunders but still stable; I had forgotten just how light they are. I'd put them up against Theeves any day (giving the nod to the Tensors as they are just a bit quicker/more responsive).

Bit squeaky out of the gate but isn't everything? One thing I did was take off the top washer and put on a bones top washer; the stock washer was clearly binding on turns (they seem abnormally big in circumference) as I ride very loose.
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Yup, agree with all those points, I might go and swap out the top washers now that you've mentioned it. Carvier thunders that are still stable is the most apt short description I'd give them. Definitely keeping the aces for a cruiser. I have no issue recommending them to anyone and gotta give credit to tensor for getting their shit together compared to past trucks.
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Also have to give them a +1 for casting(?)/build quality. Out of the package they were flawless, not a nick, scratch ro blemish anywhere to be seen.

Same, none of the pairs I have, have anything off about them. Glad there's another good option for trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chappers on October 27, 2019, 01:12:57 PM
Quote from: palelight on October 27, 2019, 05:55:03 AM
Quote from: chappers on October 27, 2019, 05:04:16 AM
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The bulk of 917 boards are actually 14.75 wb, regardless of width
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They always have a few, Max Palmer rides them for sure (the 14.75"). But they mostly offer lots of 14.25 or under.
https://callme917.com/collections/frontpage/products/ooolson-deck-8-5
https://callme917.com/collections/frontpage/products/touzery-leatherette-deck-8-25
https://callme917.com/collections/frontpage/products/bennett-hot-dice-deck-8-25
https://callme917.com/collections/frontpage/products/palmer-airbrush-deck-8-38

And a bunch more if you wanna look. Last one I had was 14.25 from about 6 months ago(ish).

Confirmation bias on my behalf g, every time I see a 917 board I like it's got a 14.75 wb and it bums me out cause I'm a 14.25/14.375 guy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on October 27, 2019, 01:16:33 PM
Quote from: chappers on October 27, 2019, 01:12:57 PM
Quote from: palelight on October 27, 2019, 05:55:03 AM
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Quote from: chappers on October 27, 2019, 05:04:16 AM
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The bulk of 917 boards are actually 14.75 wb, regardless of width
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They always have a few, Max Palmer rides them for sure (the 14.75"). But they mostly offer lots of 14.25 or under.
https://callme917.com/collections/frontpage/products/ooolson-deck-8-5
https://callme917.com/collections/frontpage/products/touzery-leatherette-deck-8-25
https://callme917.com/collections/frontpage/products/bennett-hot-dice-deck-8-25
https://callme917.com/collections/frontpage/products/palmer-airbrush-deck-8-38

And a bunch more if you wanna look. Last one I had was 14.25 from about 6 months ago(ish).
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Confirmation bias on my behalf g, every time I see a 917 board I like it's got a 14.75 wb and it bums me out cause I'm a 14.25/14.375 guy.

It happens. I think for a long while they were really pushing the extra long wb's. They've definitely sized down lately.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on October 27, 2019, 07:24:22 PM
Quote from: software on October 16, 2019, 04:11:40 PM
Does anyone have the krux 9.0? I'm eyeballing them for a cruiser setup. Am I making a mistake?

I have a set and i use them on wedged longboard risers. Yes i know this is kooky as hell but they feel good that way and the wheelbite clearance is fuckin nuts
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 27, 2019, 10:12:43 PM
I never really cared about Krux other than the kingpins and no one has ever said much other than some varying opinions about turning but that statement about the clearance makes sense and a good reason to buy them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: slappy50 on October 27, 2019, 10:30:44 PM
Are indy 159 or any kind of 8.75 trucks alright for a 9.56 board? I've only got enough for one pair, and have a 9.1 and 9.56 anti-hero eagle ready to go just need to figure out the trucks, wanted to do 9.56 first, and size down to 9.1 after, without switching trucks. I also heard ace 55. I've seen 155mm trucks on a 9.75 board still being somewhat reasonably sized, so I reckon it would be ok. Opinions? The pic of the trucks should be somewhere in this post, but ill link em if it doesn't work out. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on October 28, 2019, 03:01:03 AM
Quote from: slappy50 on October 27, 2019, 10:30:44 PM
Are indy 159 or any kind of 8.75 trucks alright for a 9.56 board? I've only got enough for one pair, and have a 9.1 and 9.56 anti-hero eagle ready to go just need to figure out the trucks, wanted to do 9.56 first, and size down to 9.1 after, without switching trucks. I also heard ace 55. I've seen 155mm trucks on a 9.75 board still being somewhat reasonably sized, so I reckon it would be ok. Opinions? The pic of the trucks should be somewhere in this post, but ill link em if it doesn't work out. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Measure the width of the boards at the inserts and figure it out from there. If they taper a lot 159s might be alright. Otherwise I’d go with 169s. Ace 55s are great too at exactly 9.0”.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on October 28, 2019, 11:06:31 AM
Broke the hanger dick on my thunder Ti’s yesterday. Skated those trucks on and off for about 3 years til now

Now do I go back to my trusty Theeve TiKings or my like-new Venture Ti’s? (https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/jbhmmm.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 28, 2019, 12:59:22 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on October 28, 2019, 11:06:31 AM
Broke the hanger dick on my thunder Ti’s yesterday. Skated those trucks on and off for about 3 years til now

Now do I go back to my trusty Theeve TiKings or my like-new Venture Ti’s? (https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/jbhmmm.png)

Ventures

Theeves the kingpin get loose on me every time
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on October 28, 2019, 09:50:19 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on October 28, 2019, 11:06:31 AM
Broke the hanger dick on my thunder Ti’s yesterday. Skated those trucks on and off for about 3 years til now

Now do I go back to my trusty Theeve TiKings or my like-new Venture Ti’s? (https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/jbhmmm.png)

Did the same shit, it sucks. My votes theeve but just cause last time I skated ventures I thought the turn was really lame.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on October 28, 2019, 09:51:36 PM
Quote from: rob on October 28, 2019, 12:59:22 PM
Ventures

Theeves the kingpin get loose on me every time

Huh weird, never had the issue. I had the bushing problem on the V1s but that was years ago now
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 29, 2019, 11:15:01 AM
Quote from: whatsreallygood on October 28, 2019, 09:51:36 PM
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Ventures

Theeves the kingpin get loose on me every time
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Huh weird, never had the issue. I had the bushing problem on the V1s but that was years ago now

Never had issues with the pins on any theeves I've owned (didn't have bones bushing blowing out back on V1s either)...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on October 29, 2019, 11:34:15 AM
Quote from: Xen on October 29, 2019, 11:15:01 AM
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Ventures

Theeves the kingpin get loose on me every time
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Huh weird, never had the issue. I had the bushing problem on the V1s but that was years ago now
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Never had issues with the pins on any theeves I've owned (didn't have bones bushing blowing out back on V1s either)...

To be fair I've blown bones bushings on indys as well, however the issue arose a lot quicker with theeves. I'd be down to try out the V3s at some point but I really don't need more trucks atm lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 29, 2019, 01:08:15 PM
More OCD....8.25 on 144/148 use washer, 8.125 on 144/148 do not use washer....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 29, 2019, 02:36:57 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 29, 2019, 01:08:15 PM
More OCD....8.25 on 144/148 use washer, 8.125 on 144/148 do not use washer....

Speedrings or bushing washers?

Speedrings? I use them no matter what.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 30, 2019, 08:00:04 AM
I skate race reds so I don't use them at all but I just started staring at the axel and nut...and.... Koo...koo......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 30, 2019, 10:12:51 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 30, 2019, 08:00:04 AM
I skate race reds so I don't use them at all but I just started staring at the axel and nut...and.... Koo...koo......

Hahah damn dude, don't OCD about that...it has washers built in, you don't need them. lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 30, 2019, 10:29:03 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 30, 2019, 08:00:04 AM
I skate race reds so I don't use them at all but I just started staring at the axel and nut...and.... Koo...koo......

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/3orieO6XVQmidQIXq8/source.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 30, 2019, 02:25:42 PM
Quote from: rob on October 30, 2019, 10:29:03 AM

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/3orieO6XVQmidQIXq8/source.gif)

Succinctly sums up the entire thread =D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 30, 2019, 03:35:00 PM
Quote from: Xen on October 30, 2019, 10:12:51 AM
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I skate race reds so I don't use them at all but I just started staring at the axel and nut...and.... Koo...koo......
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Hahah damn dude, don't OCD about that...it has washers built in, you don't need them. lol

8.25/8.25 I put washers on truck side to widen truck contact 1 mm there's still a lot of overhang so it's fine....8125/8.25 no washer...you're just trying to cram as much truck as you can into the board. 

I used to skate washers so the axel wouldn't stick out at all....but it looks a bit fucked.... Stumpy...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on October 30, 2019, 03:36:00 PM
got my indy 149s worn down enough to toss on a cruiser board where they'll die an honorable death by slappy.

settling in on stock ace 44s on a wknd 8.25 with some worn down 56mm spitfire conical fulls. pretty happy with everything. really liking the turn and the way they look.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 02:12:24 AM
what should i expect from warranties? i just e mailed both  indy and ace, and the way they responded it seemed like they were only gonna send the one part of the truck that fucked up, not a full set, and that got me kind of pissed off. i fucking payed for these fucking things, they failed me, now i cant skate because of that, and these companies are such cheap asses that they cant even send me a set of trucks? fuck that. am i wrong in assuming this? should i lie so i can get a full set?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on November 01, 2019, 02:36:11 AM
Quote from: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 02:12:24 AM
what should i expect from warranties? i just e mailed both  indy and ace, and the way they responded it seemed like they were only gonna send the one part of the truck that fucked up, not a full set, and that got me kind of pissed off. i fucking payed for these fucking things, they failed me, now i cant skate because of that, and these companies are such cheap asses that they cant even send me a set of trucks? fuck that. am i wrong in assuming this? should i lie so i can get a full set?

Dude. Fuck off with that shit. Yes it’s annoying that your shit broke but let’s be real here. Fix what’s broken and be done with it. If they want to throw in some extra for good measure, good on them but expecting that and considering lying to them is fucking low! 👎
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Shuh on November 01, 2019, 03:47:24 AM
I'm considering new wheels for my thunder teams, I'm wondering is 55mm too big for it or can I even go 56mm without crazy wheelbite?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on November 01, 2019, 03:58:30 AM
Quote from: Shuh on November 01, 2019, 03:47:24 AM
I'm considering new wheels for my thunder teams, I'm wondering is 55mm too big for it or can I even go 56mm without crazy wheelbite?

I don't go bigger than 54 on mine. I'm a big boy and ride thunders nut flush and F4 conical, get bite but not enough to be pitched regularly.
Had 56 classics on it for a minute but felt like I was under psychic attack. Would recommend 1/8th risers if your going there.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 05:08:53 AM
Quote from: Roisto on November 01, 2019, 02:36:11 AM
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what should i expect from warranties? i just e mailed both  indy and ace, and the way they responded it seemed like they were only gonna send the one part of the truck that fucked up, not a full set, and that got me kind of pissed off. i fucking payed for these fucking things, they failed me, now i cant skate because of that, and these companies are such cheap asses that they cant even send me a set of trucks? fuck that. am i wrong in assuming this? should i lie so i can get a full set?
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Dude. Fuck off with that shit. Yes it’s annoying that your shit broke but let’s be real here. Fix what’s broken and be done with it. If they want to throw in some extra for good measure, good on them but expecting that and considering lying to them is fucking low! 👎
yeah, im the one being low for wanting a full replacement, definitely not these companies that guarantee you theyre the best on the market and even have warranties to back that up, yet they're still shoddily made shit and they sell 1000s of trucks monthly but i cant even ask for a new set of trucks when id been ripped off with a shitty pair because thats just too “low”. i don't ever lie to individuals for my personal gain, but i have no problem lying to shitty companies to get my moneys worth.

https://youtu.be/rshrAhP5dFM?t=625

stop being such gotdang minions to these companies, THESE COMPANIES DO NOT CARE FOR THE INDIVIDUAL SKATER. talkng about brand loyalty and shiet....yall niggas got me fucked up. WE THE SKATEBOARDERS MUST TAKE SKATEBOARDING BACK. WE DECIDE WHAT THESE COMPANIES DO AND DONT DO, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HyenaChaser on November 01, 2019, 05:16:00 AM
Quote from: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 05:08:53 AM
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what should i expect from warranties? i just e mailed both  indy and ace, and the way they responded it seemed like they were only gonna send the one part of the truck that fucked up, not a full set, and that got me kind of pissed off. i fucking payed for these fucking things, they failed me, now i cant skate because of that, and these companies are such cheap asses that they cant even send me a set of trucks? fuck that. am i wrong in assuming this? should i lie so i can get a full set?
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Dude. Fuck off with that shit. Yes it’s annoying that your shit broke but let’s be real here. Fix what’s broken and be done with it. If they want to throw in some extra for good measure, good on them but expecting that and considering lying to them is fucking low! 👎
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yeah, im the one being low for wanting a full replacement, definitely not these companies that guarantee you theyre the best on the market and even have warranties to back that up, yet they're still shoddily made shit and they sell 1000s of trucks monthly but i cant even ask for a new set of trucks when id been ripped off with a shitty pair because thats just too “low”. i don't ever lie to individuals for my personal gain, but i have no problem lying to shitty companies to get my moneys worth.
https://youtu.be/rshrAhP5dFM?t=625
stop being such gotdang minions to these companies, THESE COMPANIES DO NOT CARE FOR THE INDIVIDUAL SKATER. talkng about brand loyalty and shiet....yall niggas got me fucked up. WE THE SKATEBOARDERS MUST TAKE SKATEBOARDING BACK. WE DECIDE WHAT THESE COMPANIES DO AND DONT DO, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

Ok, but Indy and Ace are not the companies to swindle, Cunt Sucker.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 05:27:37 AM
Quote from: HyenaChaser on November 01, 2019, 05:16:00 AM
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what should i expect from warranties? i just e mailed both  indy and ace, and the way they responded it seemed like they were only gonna send the one part of the truck that fucked up, not a full set, and that got me kind of pissed off. i fucking payed for these fucking things, they failed me, now i cant skate because of that, and these companies are such cheap asses that they cant even send me a set of trucks? fuck that. am i wrong in assuming this? should i lie so i can get a full set?
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Dude. Fuck off with that shit. Yes it’s annoying that your shit broke but let’s be real here. Fix what’s broken and be done with it. If they want to throw in some extra for good measure, good on them but expecting that and considering lying to them is fucking low! 👎
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yeah, im the one being low for wanting a full replacement, definitely not these companies that guarantee you theyre the best on the market and even have warranties to back that up, yet they're still shoddily made shit and they sell 1000s of trucks monthly but i cant even ask for a new set of trucks when id been ripped off with a shitty pair because thats just too “low”. i don't ever lie to individuals for my personal gain, but i have no problem lying to shitty companies to get my moneys worth.
https://youtu.be/rshrAhP5dFM?t=625
stop being such gotdang minions to these companies, THESE COMPANIES DO NOT CARE FOR THE INDIVIDUAL SKATER. talkng about brand loyalty and shiet....yall niggas got me fucked up. WE THE SKATEBOARDERS MUST TAKE SKATEBOARDING BACK. WE DECIDE WHAT THESE COMPANIES DO AND DONT DO, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
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Ok, but Indy and Ace are not the companies to swindle, Cunt Sucker.
but they are though. what companies do you have in mind and why not indy and ace? and im not swindling anybody, they are swindling me. im only getting my moneys worth.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 01, 2019, 06:03:18 AM
Quote from: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 02:12:24 AM
what should i expect from warranties? i just e mailed both  indy and ace, and the way they responded it seemed like they were only gonna send the one part of the truck that fucked up, not a full set, and that got me kind of pissed off. i fucking payed for these fucking things, they failed me, now i cant skate because of that, and these companies are such cheap asses that they cant even send me a set of trucks? fuck that. am i wrong in assuming this? should i lie so i can get a full set?

I'm gonna hate myself for engaging with this later but what the hell. You mentioned they might offer to replace the broken part(s) of the truck(s) that failed. What broke?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 06:18:15 AM
Quote from: palelight on November 01, 2019, 06:03:18 AM
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what should i expect from warranties? i just e mailed both  indy and ace, and the way they responded it seemed like they were only gonna send the one part of the truck that fucked up, not a full set, and that got me kind of pissed off. i fucking payed for these fucking things, they failed me, now i cant skate because of that, and these companies are such cheap asses that they cant even send me a set of trucks? fuck that. am i wrong in assuming this? should i lie so i can get a full set?
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I'm gonna hate myself for engaging with this later but what the hell. You mentioned they might offer to replace the broken part(s) of the truck(s) that failed. What broke?
baseplates, but thats not the point and you know that. you hate yourself for talking to people you dissagree with? thats not good...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 01, 2019, 06:39:38 AM
Quote from: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 06:18:15 AM
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what should i expect from warranties? i just e mailed both  indy and ace, and the way they responded it seemed like they were only gonna send the one part of the truck that fucked up, not a full set, and that got me kind of pissed off. i fucking payed for these fucking things, they failed me, now i cant skate because of that, and these companies are such cheap asses that they cant even send me a set of trucks? fuck that. am i wrong in assuming this? should i lie so i can get a full set?
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I'm gonna hate myself for engaging with this later but what the hell. You mentioned they might offer to replace the broken part(s) of the truck(s) that failed. What broke?
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baseplates, but thats not the point and you know that. you hate yourself for talking to people you dissagree with? thats not good...

I know that eh? Alright, gaslight achieved.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on November 01, 2019, 06:41:36 AM
so just to recap

>break a baseplate
>company offers to replace baseplate
>THEYRE SWINDLING ME I WANT FULL NEW TRUCKS SHOULD I LIE?

whos really doing the swindling here
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 07:01:33 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on November 01, 2019, 06:41:36 AM
so just to recap

>break a baseplate
>company offers to replace baseplate
>THEYRE SWINDLING ME I WANT FULL NEW TRUCKS SHOULD I LIE?

whos really doing the swindling here
the company. i payed for a set of trucks, they are now unusable due to shoddy craftsmanship, therefore i want a new set of trucks. i don't remember ever paying just for baseplates...why are you people defending the big company? do you not want them to supply you with a new set of trucks? its not like im asking for a full refund and 10 sets just because the pivot cup was creaky or some shit...and its not like independent is some small skater owned business that can't afford to do this...obviously thats not the reason i think this should be done, but still.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on November 01, 2019, 07:04:22 AM
I'm with aunt sacker, I ripped a lace on my SB's and they offered me a replacement lace, forget those clowns I want a new pair of ….

oh, I can't even be bothered pretending any more.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on November 01, 2019, 07:12:08 AM
Quote from: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 07:01:33 AM
the company. i payed for a set of trucks, they are now unusable due to shoddy craftsmanship, therefore i want a new set of trucks. i don't remember ever paying just for baseplates...why are you people defending the big company? do you not want them to supply you with a new set of trucks? its not like im asking for a full refund and 10 sets just because the pivot cup was creaky or some shit...and its not like independent is some small skater owned business that can't afford to do this...obviously thats not the reason i think this should be done, but still.

Just popping in to say fuck off.  You broke a baseplate.  They offered a replacement baseplate. That's how this works. And by "this" I mean life.  You seem super immature and appear to have very little real world experience.  Welcome to the real world.  Get used to it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 07:14:03 AM
Quote from: Jollyoli on November 01, 2019, 07:04:22 AM
I'm with aunt sacker, I ripped a lace on my SB's and they offered me a replacement lace, forget those clowns I want a new pair of ….

oh, I can't even be bothered pretending any more.
the correct analogy for that would be :

ripping a lace on shoes = losing a nut on trucks
ripping a hole through the sole/upper = grinding down to shaft and hanger breaking
sole peeling off = hanger bending, axle slip, loose kingpin, pivot blowout, etc
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 07:16:37 AM
Check engine light is on for my car, it's under warranty, Toyota should send me a whole new one. They aren't some mom and pop operation
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 07:24:34 AM
Quote from: backinaction on November 01, 2019, 07:12:08 AM
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the company. i payed for a set of trucks, they are now unusable due to shoddy craftsmanship, therefore i want a new set of trucks. i don't remember ever paying just for baseplates...why are you people defending the big company? do you not want them to supply you with a new set of trucks? its not like im asking for a full refund and 10 sets just because the pivot cup was creaky or some shit...and its not like independent is some small skater owned business that can't afford to do this...obviously thats not the reason i think this should be done, but still.
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Just popping in to say fuck off.  You broke a baseplate.  They offered a replacement baseplate. That's how this works. And by "this" I mean life.  You seem super immature and appear to have very little real world experience.  Welcome to the real world.  Get used to it.
yes, because the real world can never ever be changed in any way by our persistent and unified demands...lol. you seem to have been ass raped by life and you also want other people to be raped by your psuedo enlightened, pop - nihilistic, neutered way of thinking...it doesn't have to be this way, man....QUIT YOUR JOB NOW AND GO SKATE.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on November 01, 2019, 07:25:16 AM
i think it really depends on the circumstances of the breakage.

if you rode the trucks an they snap, that seems like a mistake on the manufacture's side.

breakage after grind damage will (understandably) not be covered by warranty because (even though we all do it) it is not the intended use.

do you have pictures of the trucks and their condition before breaking?
it could be either way, a case of warranty or rediculous customer expectations. both need to be handled well by any company and offering to replace the broken part (fix the issue for free) seems like a very good solution, especially for a product like trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 07:35:48 AM
Quote from: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 07:16:37 AM
Check engine light is on for my car, it's under warranty, Toyota should send me a whole new one. They aren't some mom and pop operation
the correct analogy would be :

check engine light = broken bearings
flat tires = flat spot
dent/blemish = chip
car crash = broken board
steering malfunction = broken trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 07:38:31 AM
Quote from: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 07:35:48 AM
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Check engine light is on for my car, it's under warranty, Toyota should send me a whole new one. They aren't some mom and pop operation
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the correct analogy would be :

check engine light = broken bearings
flat tires = flat spot
dent/blemish = chip
car crash = broken board
steering malfunction = broken trucks


I'll play along, if my steering is fucked up I should demand a brand new car?

Quote from: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 02:12:24 AM
what should i expect from warranties? i just e mailed both  indy and ace, and the way they responded it seemed like they were only gonna send the one part of the truck that fucked up, not a full set, and that got me kind of pissed off. i fucking payed for these fucking things, they failed me, now i cant skate because of that, and these companies are such cheap asses that they cant even send me a set of trucks? fuck that. am i wrong in assuming this? should i lie so i can get a full set?

A few question, which trucks broke Indy or ACE? If both, what the fuck are YOU doing wrong to break two sets of trucks? Why are you demanding a full new set of trucks if only the baseplate broke? In what other setting, outside of skating, would something break and you demand a replacement of the entire unit?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on November 01, 2019, 07:51:36 AM
cunt sucker is absolutely a "can i speak to your manager" type
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 08:05:23 AM
Quote from: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 07:38:31 AM
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Check engine light is on for my car, it's under warranty, Toyota should send me a whole new one. They aren't some mom and pop operation
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the correct analogy would be :

check engine light = broken bearings
flat tires = flat spot
dent/blemish = chip
car crash = broken board
steering malfunction = broken trucks

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I'll play along, if my steering is fucked up I should demand a brand new car?
the correct analogy would be :

brand new car = complete skateboard
fucked up steering = fucked up trucks

Quote from: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 07:38:31 AM

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what should i expect from warranties? i just e mailed both  indy and ace, and the way they responded it seemed like they were only gonna send the one part of the truck that fucked up, not a full set, and that got me kind of pissed off. i fucking payed for these fucking things, they failed me, now i cant skate because of that, and these companies are such cheap asses that they cant even send me a set of trucks? fuck that. am i wrong in assuming this? should i lie so i can get a full set?
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A few question, which trucks broke Indy or ACE?

both

Quote from: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 07:38:31 AM
what the fuck are YOU doing wrong to break two sets of trucks?


skating hard is wrong, i guess. lol.

Quote from: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 07:38:31 AM
Why are you demanding a full new set of trucks if only the baseplate broke?

the trucks are broken and i want new trucks...what more is there to say? it would be a good look on the companies part and it would definitely make me regain trust in their product also...

Quote from: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 07:38:31 AM
In what other setting, outside of skating, would something break and you demand a replacement of the entire unit?


i don't do much outside of skating...lol. and again, a truck is not the entire unit, it is part of a setup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on November 01, 2019, 08:06:43 AM
Quote from: DaveFuck on November 01, 2019, 07:51:36 AM
cunt sucker is absolutely a "can i speak to your manager" type

He's also the person that eats half of their food and demands a different plate because it didnt taste good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on November 01, 2019, 08:10:30 AM
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the company. i payed for a set of trucks, they are now unusable due to shoddy craftsmanship, therefore i want a new set of trucks. i don't remember ever paying just for baseplates...why are you people defending the big company? do you not want them to supply you with a new set of trucks? its not like im asking for a full refund and 10 sets just because the pivot cup was creaky or some shit...and its not like independent is some small skater owned business that can't afford to do this...obviously thats not the reason i think this should be done, but still.
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Just popping in to say fuck off.  You broke a baseplate.  They offered a replacement baseplate. That's how this works. And by "this" I mean life.  You seem super immature and appear to have very little real world experience.  Welcome to the real world.  Get used to it.
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yes, because the real world can never ever be changed in any way by our persistent and unified demands...lol. you seem to have been ass raped by life and you also want other people to be raped by your psuedo enlightened, pop - nihilistic, neutered way of thinking...it doesn't have to be this way, man....QUIT YOUR JOB NOW AND GO SKATE.

QUIT YOUR JOB AND GO SKATE

then be upset when companies wont give you free things because you're too cheap to buy new ones
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 08:20:02 AM
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Check engine light is on for my car, it's under warranty, Toyota should send me a whole new one. They aren't some mom and pop operation
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the correct analogy would be :

check engine light = broken bearings
flat tires = flat spot
dent/blemish = chip
car crash = broken board
steering malfunction = broken trucks

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I'll play along, if my steering is fucked up I should demand a brand new car?
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the correct analogy would be :

brand new car = complete skateboard
fucked up steering = fucked up trucks

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what should i expect from warranties? i just e mailed both  indy and ace, and the way they responded it seemed like they were only gonna send the one part of the truck that fucked up, not a full set, and that got me kind of pissed off. i fucking payed for these fucking things, they failed me, now i cant skate because of that, and these companies are such cheap asses that they cant even send me a set of trucks? fuck that. am i wrong in assuming this? should i lie so i can get a full set?
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A few question, which trucks broke Indy or ACE?
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both

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what the fuck are YOU doing wrong to break two sets of trucks?
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skating hard is wrong, i guess. lol.

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Why are you demanding a full new set of trucks if only the baseplate broke?
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the trucks are broken and i want new trucks...what more is there to say? it would be a good look on the companies part and it would definitely make me regain trust in their product also...

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In what other setting, outside of skating, would something break and you demand a replacement of the entire unit?
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i don't do much outside of skating...lol. and again, a truck is not the entire unit, it is part of a setup.

Focus your whole shit already. I've been skating for 20 years. In that time I have maybe broken 3 sets of trucks, 2 of which were ACE with bent axles. I did and still skate hard, I'm in my 30's still jumping down shit. Go buy new fucking trucks. Depending on how your shit broke, breaking 2 sets of baseplates from 2 different companies, sounds like you're fucking up. They probably don't owe you shit, they're willing to send you the necessary parts to get you rolling again and they don't even owe you that. Now kindly focus your account Karen, so the rest of us can get back to nerding out about durometer of bushings and shit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 08:23:56 AM
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the company. i payed for a set of trucks, they are now unusable due to shoddy craftsmanship, therefore i want a new set of trucks. i don't remember ever paying just for baseplates...why are you people defending the big company? do you not want them to supply you with a new set of trucks? its not like im asking for a full refund and 10 sets just because the pivot cup was creaky or some shit...and its not like independent is some small skater owned business that can't afford to do this...obviously thats not the reason i think this should be done, but still.
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Just popping in to say fuck off.  You broke a baseplate.  They offered a replacement baseplate. That's how this works. And by "this" I mean life.  You seem super immature and appear to have very little real world experience.  Welcome to the real world.  Get used to it.
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yes, because the real world can never ever be changed in any way by our persistent and unified demands...lol. you seem to have been ass raped by life and you also want other people to be raped by your psuedo enlightened, pop - nihilistic, neutered way of thinking...it doesn't have to be this way, man....QUIT YOUR JOB NOW AND GO SKATE.
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QUIT YOUR JOB AND GO SKATE

then be upset when companies wont give you free things because you're too cheap to buy new ones
huh? i bought the broken trucks when they were new, did i not? if your scenario was true, you'd essentially be making fun of a poor guy who just wants to skate for not having enough money to buy new trucks...pretty weird since you're supposedly a skater, lol.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on November 01, 2019, 08:38:52 AM
they weren't broken until you broke them (which given you seem to have a penchant for snapping baseplates would probably lean towards you being in error than the manufacturers)..take the replacement baseplates and stop crying

i ride mtb pretty frequently, if my rear shock broke would i expect the whole bike to be replaced? no they'd replace the shock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 08:40:16 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on November 01, 2019, 08:38:52 AM
they weren't broken until you broke them (which given you seem to have a penchant for snapping baseplates would probably lean towards you being in error than the manufacturers)..take the replacement baseplates and stop crying

i ride mtb pretty frequently, if my rear shock broke would i expect the whole bike to be replaced? no they'd replace the shock.

Brace yourself for another shitty analogy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 08:42:47 AM
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Check engine light is on for my car, it's under warranty, Toyota should send me a whole new one. They aren't some mom and pop operation
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the correct analogy would be :

check engine light = broken bearings
flat tires = flat spot
dent/blemish = chip
car crash = broken board
steering malfunction = broken trucks

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I'll play along, if my steering is fucked up I should demand a brand new car?
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the correct analogy would be :

brand new car = complete skateboard
fucked up steering = fucked up trucks

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what should i expect from warranties? i just e mailed both  indy and ace, and the way they responded it seemed like they were only gonna send the one part of the truck that fucked up, not a full set, and that got me kind of pissed off. i fucking payed for these fucking things, they failed me, now i cant skate because of that, and these companies are such cheap asses that they cant even send me a set of trucks? fuck that. am i wrong in assuming this? should i lie so i can get a full set?
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A few question, which trucks broke Indy or ACE?
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both

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what the fuck are YOU doing wrong to break two sets of trucks?
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skating hard is wrong, i guess. lol.

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Why are you demanding a full new set of trucks if only the baseplate broke?
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the trucks are broken and i want new trucks...what more is there to say? it would be a good look on the companies part and it would definitely make me regain trust in their product also...

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In what other setting, outside of skating, would something break and you demand a replacement of the entire unit?
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i don't do much outside of skating...lol. and again, a truck is not the entire unit, it is part of a setup.
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Focus your whole shit already. I've been skating for 20 years. In that time I have maybe broken 3 sets of trucks, 2 of which were ACE with bent axles. I did and still skate hard, I'm in my 30's still jumping down shit.

uh huh. sounds like i skate harder than u. lol.

Quote from: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 07:38:31 AM
Go buy new fucking trucks. Depending on how your shit broke, breaking 2 sets of baseplates from 2 different companies, sounds like you're fucking up.

whoa hol up...u mad bro?  i mean...what can i say cuh...shit break homie, iss whateva mayn 

 
Quote from: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 07:38:31 AM
They probably don't owe you shit, they're willing to send you the necessary parts to get you rolling again and they don't even owe you that.

feel like steve olson rn cuz they owe.

Quote from: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 07:38:31 AM
Now kindly focus your account Karen, so the rest of us can get back to nerding out about durometer of bushings and shit.

who is karen? can someone fill me in on this lore?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 01, 2019, 08:49:30 AM
It pains me to do this in this thread but:

Anyone want to talk about chicken wings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 08:52:00 AM
Quote from: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 08:42:47 AM
i mean...what can i say cuh...shit break homie, iss whateva mayn

You said it best.

Your options, the way I see them:

1)Take the replacement baseplates and shut the fuck up

2)Buy new shit and shut the fuck up

3)Do neither of the first two options, not skate, and complain about it on the internet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 08:55:29 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on November 01, 2019, 08:49:30 AM
It pains me to do this in this thread but:

Anyone want to talk about chicken wings?

I just moved and my last wing spot doesn't deliver to my new house. This bums me out. Although I am leaving work early for the dentist so maybe I can pop over there and pick up while I'm out.

Let's talk though, bone-in? Other wise that shit is just a chicken nugget. What's the go to sauce, a lot of places fuck up anything over the standard "HOT", they try to do too much and ruin it.

Ranch? Bleu Cheese? Niether, like a fucking boss?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 01, 2019, 09:01:00 AM
Quote from: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 08:55:29 AM
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It pains me to do this in this thread but:

Anyone want to talk about chicken wings?
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I just moved and my last wing spot doesn't deliver to my new house. This bums me out. Although I am leaving work early for the dentist so maybe I can pop over there and pick up while I'm out.

Let's talk though, bone-in? Other wise that shit is just a chicken nugget. What's the go to sauce, a lot of places fuck up anything over the standard "HOT", they try to do too much and ruin it.

Ranch? Bleu Cheese? Niether, like a fucking boss?

First off, where do you order from? I grew up in Delaware but when I go back I never have any idea where to get wings and it is such a bummer.

For me, yeah, only bone-in is real. There is this sick spot in south Jersey call the Jughandle Inn that I am going to this weekend and they're probably my all time favorite (they do the full wing). There is also this bar by me that does a sauce that is a mix of buffalo, BBQ, and coffee grounds. It sounds weird but it crisps up on the outside and is so good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 09:09:25 AM
Quote from: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 08:40:16 AM
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they weren't broken until you broke them (which given you seem to have a penchant for snapping baseplates would probably lean towards you being in error than the manufacturers)..take the replacement baseplates and stop crying

i ride mtb pretty frequently, if my rear shock broke would i expect the whole bike to be replaced? no they'd replace the shock.
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Brace yourself for another shitty analogy

Quote from: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 08:40:16 AM
shitty

great criticism

Quote from: cosmicgypsies on November 01, 2019, 08:38:52 AM
they weren't broken until you broke them (which given you seem to have a penchant for snapping baseplates would probably lean towards you being in error than the manufacturers)

yeah, its not like skateboarding requires you to damage your board in one way or another and it's not like consistently breaking one thing unrelated to long term use signifies a design flaw or anything. it's always your own fault and you should never question the company.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 09:13:21 AM
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i mean...what can i say cuh...shit break homie, iss whateva mayn
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You said it best.

Your options, the way I see them:

1)Take the replacement baseplates and shut the fuck up

2)Buy new shit and shut the fuck up

3)Do neither of the first two options, not skate, and complain about it on the internet.

4)unite and demand that companies be less stingy with their warranties/ get “free” trucks for your truck troubles.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 09:56:50 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on November 01, 2019, 09:01:00 AM
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It pains me to do this in this thread but:

Anyone want to talk about chicken wings?
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I just moved and my last wing spot doesn't deliver to my new house. This bums me out. Although I am leaving work early for the dentist so maybe I can pop over there and pick up while I'm out.

Let's talk though, bone-in? Other wise that shit is just a chicken nugget. What's the go to sauce, a lot of places fuck up anything over the standard "HOT", they try to do too much and ruin it.

Ranch? Bleu Cheese? Niether, like a fucking boss?
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First off, where do you order from? I grew up in Delaware but when I go back I never have any idea where to get wings and it is such a bummer.

For me, yeah, only bone-in is real. There is this sick spot in south Jersey call the Jughandle Inn that I am going to this weekend and they're probably my all time favorite (they do the full wing). There is also this bar by me that does a sauce that is a mix of buffalo, BBQ, and coffee grounds. It sounds weird but it crisps up on the outside and is so good.

Jug handle fucking goes. I used to work in Pennsauken and would hit them almost weekly. A bit further south in Jersey is a great spot called Village Pub in Swedesboro. They have great wings also. I was living in southeast PA before we had a pizza shop around the corner that had great wings. I think it was called Linwood Pizza. Now I’m in North Wilmington, I haven’t made it to many bars for wings yet. I’ve mainly been getting seasons and cuzninos to my disappointment.

The sauce you referenced sounds amazing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on November 01, 2019, 10:00:20 AM
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It pains me to do this in this thread but:

Anyone want to talk about chicken wings?
[close]

I just moved and my last wing spot doesn't deliver to my new house. This bums me out. Although I am leaving work early for the dentist so maybe I can pop over there and pick up while I'm out.

Let's talk though, bone-in? Other wise that shit is just a chicken nugget. What's the go to sauce, a lot of places fuck up anything over the standard "HOT", they try to do too much and ruin it.

Ranch? Bleu Cheese? Niether, like a fucking boss?
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First off, where do you order from? I grew up in Delaware but when I go back I never have any idea where to get wings and it is such a bummer.

For me, yeah, only bone-in is real. There is this sick spot in south Jersey call the Jughandle Inn that I am going to this weekend and they're probably my all time favorite (they do the full wing). There is also this bar by me that does a sauce that is a mix of buffalo, BBQ, and coffee grounds. It sounds weird but it crisps up on the outside and is so good.
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Jug handle fucking goes. I used to work in Pennsauken and would hit them almost weekly. A bit further south in Jersey is a great spot called Village Pub in Swedesboro. They have great wings also. I was living in southeast PA before we had a pizza shop around the corner that had great wings. I think it was called Linwood Pizza. Now I’m in North Wilmington, I haven’t made it to many bars for wings yet. I’ve mainly been getting seasons and cuzninos to my disappointment.

The sauce you referenced sounds amazing.

shoutout doms tavern and the fat daddys!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 01, 2019, 10:10:53 AM
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It pains me to do this in this thread but:

Anyone want to talk about chicken wings?
[close]

I just moved and my last wing spot doesn't deliver to my new house. This bums me out. Although I am leaving work early for the dentist so maybe I can pop over there and pick up while I'm out.

Let's talk though, bone-in? Other wise that shit is just a chicken nugget. What's the go to sauce, a lot of places fuck up anything over the standard "HOT", they try to do too much and ruin it.

Ranch? Bleu Cheese? Niether, like a fucking boss?
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First off, where do you order from? I grew up in Delaware but when I go back I never have any idea where to get wings and it is such a bummer.

For me, yeah, only bone-in is real. There is this sick spot in south Jersey call the Jughandle Inn that I am going to this weekend and they're probably my all time favorite (they do the full wing). There is also this bar by me that does a sauce that is a mix of buffalo, BBQ, and coffee grounds. It sounds weird but it crisps up on the outside and is so good.
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Jug handle fucking goes. I used to work in Pennsauken and would hit them almost weekly. A bit further south in Jersey is a great spot called Village Pub in Swedesboro. They have great wings also. I was living in southeast PA before we had a pizza shop around the corner that had great wings. I think it was called Linwood Pizza. Now I’m in North Wilmington, I haven’t made it to many bars for wings yet. I’ve mainly been getting seasons and cuzninos to my disappointment.

The sauce you referenced sounds amazing.
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shoutout doms tavern and the fat daddys!

I've been wanting to try Doms forever but every time I go it is popping off and I'm fully too hangry to wait.

Arrbee, pumped you know Jughandle. The spot in wilmo I've been to must recently that had good wings was Two Stones Pub on Naaman's. Good beer too (affiliated with 2SP Brewing in Aston, PA). I remember Stanley's at Faulk and Silverside being good but I haven't been there in like 10 years.

As far as the sauce I mentioned, if you're even in south Philly go to the Pope and get the Pete's Wings. Thats my usual local wing spot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on November 01, 2019, 11:10:38 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on November 01, 2019, 08:49:30 AM
It pains me to do this in this thread but:

Anyone want to talk about chicken wings?

20 years ago there was a pub I frequented about 5 nights a week - Bear Brew pub in Orono, ME - and we ordered wings most nights.  One night the cook came out with a special hot recipe he was working on, put them on the table and said "If you can eat them, they are free."   They were a lot hotter than the normal ones, but still manageable - so we finished them and let him know they were really good.  This set up a challenge where for the next few weeks he doctored the recipe and offered the challenge a few times.    Towards the end, we would be sweating on the top of our head on the first bite - but we couldn't show it.  They also had good flavor - it wasn't just an inferno.

It became an off-menu standard.  You had to be in the know and ask for "Nate's Wings"

His recipe started with boiling down 50 habenaros. He put molasses in there so the heat would stick in your mouth. He put some alcohol in it with the idea that it would open the pores in your mouth (but it probably all evaporated in cooking).   Shit was hot.  Newbies usually couldn't eat one.

Spoiled me for wings elsewhere.  So hot and delicious.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 01, 2019, 11:13:05 AM
What in tarnation happened here?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 01, 2019, 11:18:16 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on November 01, 2019, 06:41:36 AM
so just to recap

>break a baseplate
>company offers to replace baseplate
>THEYRE SWINDLING ME I WANT FULL NEW TRUCKS SHOULD I LIE?

whos really doing the swindling here

Seriously, FFS. How can he not see that?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 11:22:09 AM
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It pains me to do this in this thread but:

Anyone want to talk about chicken wings?
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I just moved and my last wing spot doesn't deliver to my new house. This bums me out. Although I am leaving work early for the dentist so maybe I can pop over there and pick up while I'm out.

Let's talk though, bone-in? Other wise that shit is just a chicken nugget. What's the go to sauce, a lot of places fuck up anything over the standard "HOT", they try to do too much and ruin it.

Ranch? Bleu Cheese? Niether, like a fucking boss?
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First off, where do you order from? I grew up in Delaware but when I go back I never have any idea where to get wings and it is such a bummer.

For me, yeah, only bone-in is real. There is this sick spot in south Jersey call the Jughandle Inn that I am going to this weekend and they're probably my all time favorite (they do the full wing). There is also this bar by me that does a sauce that is a mix of buffalo, BBQ, and coffee grounds. It sounds weird but it crisps up on the outside and is so good.
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Jug handle fucking goes. I used to work in Pennsauken and would hit them almost weekly. A bit further south in Jersey is a great spot called Village Pub in Swedesboro. They have great wings also. I was living in southeast PA before we had a pizza shop around the corner that had great wings. I think it was called Linwood Pizza. Now I’m in North Wilmington, I haven’t made it to many bars for wings yet. I’ve mainly been getting seasons and cuzninos to my disappointment.

The sauce you referenced sounds amazing.
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shoutout doms tavern and the fat daddys!
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I've been wanting to try Doms forever but every time I go it is popping off and I'm fully too hangry to wait.

Arrbee, pumped you know Jughandle. The spot in wilmo I've been to must recently that had good wings was Two Stones Pub on Naaman's. Good beer too (affiliated with 2SP Brewing in Aston, PA). I remember Stanley's at Faulk and Silverside being good but I haven't been there in like 10 years.

As far as the sauce I mentioned, if you're even in south Philly go to the Pope and get the Pete's Wings. Thats my usual local wing spot.

I’m familiar with 2 stones. I usually hit the one in Newark on Thursdays. Before I go to sign language class. Their wings are pretty good for sure. I’m right off silverside near Philly pike. I’ll have to give Stanley’s a go of it still exists. I’m actually hitting kinetic after the dentist so I’ll have to go down silverside to get home. I’ll report back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on November 01, 2019, 11:23:08 AM
@ thread: anyone got the new 161 thunders?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 01, 2019, 11:34:06 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on November 01, 2019, 08:49:30 AM
It pains me to do this in this thread but:

Anyone want to talk about chicken wings?

I’ve actually been grilling wings a ton, and it’s like 12 wings for 5 bucks, which is actually pretty sick.

Currently been using Frank’s, anyone for a favorite wing sauce ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Yu Dum on November 01, 2019, 11:50:42 AM
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the company. i payed for a set of trucks, they are now unusable due to shoddy craftsmanship, therefore i want a new set of trucks. i don't remember ever paying just for baseplates...why are you people defending the big company? do you not want them to supply you with a new set of trucks? its not like im asking for a full refund and 10 sets just because the pivot cup was creaky or some shit...and its not like independent is some small skater owned business that can't afford to do this...obviously thats not the reason i think this should be done, but still.
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Just popping in to say fuck off.  You broke a baseplate.  They offered a replacement baseplate. That's how this works. And by "this" I mean life.  You seem super immature and appear to have very little real world experience.  Welcome to the real world.  Get used to it.
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yes, because the real world can never ever be changed in any way by our persistent and unified demands...lol. you seem to have been ass raped by life and you also want other people to be raped by your psuedo enlightened, pop - nihilistic, neutered way of thinking...it doesn't have to be this way, man....QUIT YOUR JOB NOW AND GO SKATE.
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QUIT YOUR JOB AND GO SKATE

then be upset when companies wont give you free things because you're too cheap to buy new ones
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huh? i bought the broken trucks when they were new, did i not? if your scenario was true, you'd essentially be making fun of a poor guy who just wants to skate for not having enough money to buy new trucks...pretty weird since you're supposedly a skater, lol.
Man, your username sure is appropriate. Shut the fuck up and deal with it. Go make some money to buy new trucks instead of bitching about not getting your way AND attempting to lie to Independent & Ace to get your way. Grow the fuck up, bud.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: h00man on November 01, 2019, 12:18:23 PM
First off, cunt sucker:

You don't even fucking skate. Oh you do? You can ollie over one deck? Congrats

You're just some dumb broke ass teenager who doesn't get enough love from locals at the park, who constantly ignore you because you're so god damn dumb and annoying

You feel entitled to "everything" because you paid for a product that you purposely broke (yes, doing tricks is purposely breaking the product)

Oh, you're not any of those? You fucking sound like it you little fuck. Post some clips

You must be on some chris columbus/captain cook shit with that attitude. Focus your face for us please.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: camel filters on November 01, 2019, 12:35:02 PM
cunt sucker should return the baseplates and buy the big company another set of baseplates as an apology for wasting their time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on November 01, 2019, 12:40:13 PM
Quote from: jtrpma on November 01, 2019, 11:23:08 AM
@ thread: anyone got the new 161 thunders?

have not, but curious as sell. Just saw thunder reply on YouTube saying that  theyre 1mm higher than the 151
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on November 01, 2019, 12:58:21 PM
Quote from: camel filters on November 01, 2019, 12:35:02 PM
cunt sucker should return the baseplates and buy the big company another set of baseplates as an apology for wasting their time.



+ everyone that read it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on November 01, 2019, 12:59:01 PM
Quote from: jtrpma on November 01, 2019, 11:23:08 AM
@ thread: anyone got the new 161 thunders?



waiting on the hollow LT II's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HugeBodBoyle on November 01, 2019, 02:35:10 PM
So, will Thunder 149's be too wide on a Real Ishod Full shape 8.25?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on November 01, 2019, 02:37:09 PM
Quote from: ShoeProblem on November 01, 2019, 02:35:10 PM
So, will Thunder 149's be too wide on a Real Ishod Full shape 8.25?

No that would be pretty perfect in my opinion. Slightly wider trucks help your wheels line up better with the edge of your board which I think makes more sense than having the tips of your axles line up. Any axle sticking out looks more natural on a full ish board too. I'm going down to 8.25 soon and am still skating 8.5 trucks. I'd probably get 8.25 trucks if I ever downsized to below 8.25 though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 01, 2019, 02:57:34 PM
Quote from: ShoeProblem on November 01, 2019, 02:35:10 PM
So, will Thunder 149's be too wide on a Real Ishod Full shape 8.25?

Honestly I only ran 149s on a 8.25.
Currently on a 8 with 8.25 trucks.

Have trucks a quarter inch bigger is perfect for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 01, 2019, 03:04:10 PM
Quote from: ShoeProblem on November 01, 2019, 02:35:10 PM
So, will Thunder 149's be too wide on a Real Ishod Full shape 8.25?

I was only on 8.25's for a second but I quite liked 8.5 trucks on them. Especially if you're running classic cut wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on November 01, 2019, 03:15:50 PM
Quote from: ShoeProblem on November 01, 2019, 02:35:10 PM
So, will Thunder 149's be too wide on a Real Ishod Full shape 8.25?

i ran 149s on 8.25s for years before the 148 came out, no issues
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on November 01, 2019, 05:42:41 PM
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the company. i payed for a set of trucks, they are now unusable due to shoddy craftsmanship, therefore i want a new set of trucks. i don't remember ever paying just for baseplates...why are you people defending the big company? do you not want them to supply you with a new set of trucks? its not like im asking for a full refund and 10 sets just because the pivot cup was creaky or some shit...and its not like independent is some small skater owned business that can't afford to do this...obviously thats not the reason i think this should be done, but still.
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Just popping in to say fuck off.  You broke a baseplate.  They offered a replacement baseplate. That's how this works. And by "this" I mean life.  You seem super immature and appear to have very little real world experience.  Welcome to the real world.  Get used to it.
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yes, because the real world can never ever be changed in any way by our persistent and unified demands...lol. you seem to have been ass raped by life and you also want other people to be raped by your psuedo enlightened, pop - nihilistic, neutered way of thinking...it doesn't have to be this way, man....QUIT YOUR JOB NOW AND GO SKATE.
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QUIT YOUR JOB AND GO SKATE

then be upset when companies wont give you free things because you're too cheap to buy new ones

A couple of years ago, I broke the pivoting part of one of my ventures and DLX sent me a whole replacement set instead of a single hanger. I don't blame dude for being upset
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 07:24:17 PM
Quote from: h00man on November 01, 2019, 12:18:23 PM
First off, cunt sucker:

You don't even fucking skate. Oh you do? You can ollie over one deck? Congrats

You're just some dumb broke ass teenager who doesn't get enough love from locals at the park, who constantly ignore you because you're so god damn dumb and annoying

You feel entitled to "everything" because you paid for a product that you purposely broke (yes, doing tricks is purposely breaking the product)

Oh, you're not any of those? You fucking sound like it you little fuck. Post some clips

You must be on some chris columbus/captain cook shit with that attitude. Focus your face for us please.

this is such a weird comment...how could being poor and wanting free skate shit correlate to me not being a skateboarder and having no friends? i would think it indicates the opposite...and maybe a bit of animosity towards large companies whos products have let me down...

Quote from: h00man on November 01, 2019, 12:18:23 PM
(yes, doing tricks is purposely breaking the product)
are you serious?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 07:27:19 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on November 01, 2019, 05:42:41 PM
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the company. i payed for a set of trucks, they are now unusable due to shoddy craftsmanship, therefore i want a new set of trucks. i don't remember ever paying just for baseplates...why are you people defending the big company? do you not want them to supply you with a new set of trucks? its not like im asking for a full refund and 10 sets just because the pivot cup was creaky or some shit...and its not like independent is some small skater owned business that can't afford to do this...obviously thats not the reason i think this should be done, but still.
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Just popping in to say fuck off.  You broke a baseplate.  They offered a replacement baseplate. That's how this works. And by "this" I mean life.  You seem super immature and appear to have very little real world experience.  Welcome to the real world.  Get used to it.
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yes, because the real world can never ever be changed in any way by our persistent and unified demands...lol. you seem to have been ass raped by life and you also want other people to be raped by your psuedo enlightened, pop - nihilistic, neutered way of thinking...it doesn't have to be this way, man....QUIT YOUR JOB NOW AND GO SKATE.
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QUIT YOUR JOB AND GO SKATE

then be upset when companies wont give you free things because you're too cheap to buy new ones
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A couple of years ago, I broke the pivoting part of one of my ventures and DLX sent me a whole replacement set instead of a single hanger. I don't blame dude for being upset
thank u 4 understanding (:
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 07:31:51 PM
i don't mean any disrespect to anyone...i love all you skaters and i love everything about skateboarding...except for large companies who have let me down (: 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 02, 2019, 02:58:24 AM
Quote from: cunt sucker on November 01, 2019, 07:31:51 PM
i don't mean any disrespect to anyone...i love all you skaters and i love everything about skateboarding...except for large companies who have let me down (:

I would argue that dlx is one of the largest companies in the industry and I have never been let down by their customer service.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: timv on November 02, 2019, 07:06:14 AM
DLX has amazing customer service.

I’ve had two sets of F4’s lose chunks and they sent me replacements.

I also emailed them to ask about replacement kingpins for the 2 hollow ones I broke on some 3-4 year old ventures
And they sent me a set of 5.8 titanium ventures before they were available in stores!!

Haven’t tried customer service with other brands though....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on November 02, 2019, 09:25:25 AM
DLX customer service is second to none and a huge part as to why I am a fanboy. I have to say NHS helped me replace a couple of faulty products over the yerts but the process wasn't nearly as smooth, quick or easy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cunt sucker on November 02, 2019, 12:55:48 PM
hmmm...might have to try thunder 161 then. how are they compared to indy 169s?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: weedgod94 on November 02, 2019, 02:08:37 PM
Does anyone make a fat cone like the thunder stock but that fits indys?
Edit: I would just deal with the Thunder one but it's too hard
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 02, 2019, 02:30:13 PM
Quote from: weedgod94 on November 02, 2019, 02:08:37 PM
Does anyone make a fat cone like the thunder stock but that fits indys?
Edit: I would just deal with the Thunder one but it's too hard

Do you mean conical bushings? If so, Indy makes their own aftermarket conicals in like 5 or 6 different duro's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AssFlea on November 02, 2019, 03:26:27 PM
I just put on 1/8 risers. I haven't ridden riser on my main ride since like the fat base plate gullwing sidewinders and the world Kline Candy Bar.

Anyway it was good. I'm ultra sick for like the last 2 months so I thought I may  get hurt on the manny pad I been skating. That's where it always happens when I get new wheels or whatever. Also the ground is totally fucking like choral. Its on the ocean.

Hit a pebble and you got no skin. That's who I got new 55mm 101 classic f4.

They're faster than the 99a conical. I'm telling you. The 99 is just smoother.

Hard skinny wheels on salt pitted earth

(https://i.imgflip.com/3f3lbo.jpg) (https://imgflip.com/i/3f3lbo)via Imgflip Meme Generator (https://imgflip.com/memegenerator)

$200 for back lip on this
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: weedgod94 on November 02, 2019, 04:02:57 PM
Quote from: palelight on November 02, 2019, 02:30:13 PM
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Does anyone make a fat cone like the thunder stock but that fits indys?
Edit: I would just deal with the Thunder one but it's too hard
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Do you mean conical bushings? If so, Indy makes their own aftermarket conicals in like 5 or 6 different duro's.
yeah i ride those rn but i want something with a little more meat that isnt a barrel
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 02, 2019, 04:39:04 PM
That is a beautiful pic, AssFlea. Is that where you live and is that recent? I would love to be in that climate right now. Snow is already here and I’m bummed.

I’d also like to add to the DLX customer service rules stories: one time I emailed Reed asking if I could buy a set of forged plates from them and he said he’s send me a set for free. What arrived was the “team lights” which had the cast baseplate but how could I complain...they were a free set of trucks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on November 02, 2019, 05:04:06 PM
Quote from: weedgod94 on November 02, 2019, 04:02:57 PM
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Does anyone make a fat cone like the thunder stock but that fits indys?
Edit: I would just deal with the Thunder one but it's too hard
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Do you mean conical bushings? If so, Indy makes their own aftermarket conicals in like 5 or 6 different duro's.
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yeah i ride those rn but i want something with a little more meat that isnt a barrel
have you tried riding the 90a thunder bushings? if thats too hard for you and you want the same shape, longboard bushings are your only option but there's almost zero choices when it comes to bushings that will actually fit normal trucks...so i would suggest you start fucking with different durometer bushing setups with the barrel shape. for a conical feel, a softer duro bottom bushing does the trick. the softer the bottom bushing is in comparison to the top bushing, the more conical it will feel.

brace yourself...there is no easy, (or cheap) way out of this hole you've dug yourself into...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AssFlea on November 02, 2019, 05:05:14 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on November 02, 2019, 04:39:04 PM
That is a beautiful pic, AssFlea. Is that where you live and is that recent? I would love to be in that climate right now. Snow is already here and I’m bummed.

I’d also like to add to the DLX customer service rules stories: one time I emailed Reed asking if I could buy a set of forged plates from them and he said he’s send me a set for free. What arrived was the “team lights” which had the cast baseplate but how could I complain...they were a free set of trucks!

yes dlx in by far number one.

I took that photo earlier. Very warm today. Went to the dispensary in Lynn got some nug skated the curbs here at fort seawall
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hillbilly shifty on November 02, 2019, 07:19:56 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on November 01, 2019, 02:57:34 PM
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So, will Thunder 149's be too wide on a Real Ishod Full shape 8.25?
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Honestly I only ran 149s on a 8.25.
Currently on a 8 with 8.25 trucks.

Have trucks a quarter inch bigger is perfect for me.

i do the exact same for my setups.
trucks +.25" over board width
wheels flush, stable, perfect
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 03, 2019, 05:27:48 PM
I used to think all the truck switching and tweaking was a load of baloney until I swapped out my Indy 139 to Thunder 148. Night and day difference to board feel, pop and turning.

Sorry I doubted you jizzcocks; you lot are alright.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on November 04, 2019, 02:08:46 AM
Never actually tried a pair, but for those that use the krux inverted kingpin and have problems securing the nut:

Think using a "square 3/8 nut" as opposed to a normal one might help?
(https://mobileimages.lowes.com/product/converted/008236/008236708653.jpg?size=xl) vs (https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=INKPN-1.jpg&nw=435)

I'm thinking it'd maybe help catch onto the underside of the baseplate cavity for whatever truck brand. Only problem is that square nuts with the nylon insert don't seem to exist anywhere.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 04, 2019, 02:20:32 AM
Quote from: franquietits on November 04, 2019, 02:08:46 AM
Never actually tried a pair, but for those that use the krux inverted kingpin and have problems securing the nut:

Think using a "square 3/8 nut" as opposed to a normal one might help?
(https://mobileimages.lowes.com/product/converted/008236/008236708653.jpg?size=xl) vs (https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=INKPN-1.jpg&nw=435)

I'm thinking it'd maybe help catch onto the underside of the baseplate cavity for whatever truck brand. Only problem is that square nuts with the nylon insert don't seem to exist anywhere.

Without the nylock insert I'd imagine the self-loosening would be a massive and consistent pain in the ass (<- the innuendo potential of that sentence is next level). 

Solid idea though if you do find one with the nylon.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roger__Kook on November 04, 2019, 03:16:18 AM
Quote from: palelight on November 04, 2019, 02:20:32 AM
Quote from: franquietits on November 04, 2019, 02:08:46 AM
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Never actually tried a pair, but for those that use the krux inverted kingpin and have problems securing the nut:

Think using a "square 3/8 nut" as opposed to a normal one might help?
(https://mobileimages.lowes.com/product/converted/008236/008236708653.jpg?size=xl) vs (https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=INKPN-1.jpg&nw=435)

I'm thinking it'd maybe help catch onto the underside of the baseplate cavity for whatever truck brand. Only problem is that square nuts with the nylon insert don't seem to exist anywhere.
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Without the nylock insert I'd imagine the self-loosening would be a massive and consistent pain in the ass (<- the innuendo potential of that sentence is next level). 

Solid idea though if you do find one with the nylon.
(https://www.ellsworth.com/globalassets/catalogs/henkel-loctite-243-threadlocker-blue-250ml_431x431.jpg)
Is what you need if you can't find a nylock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on November 04, 2019, 05:40:00 AM
the hex nut gives you the same flat surfaces on both sides, as long as the size is correct the square one does not have any advantage over the hexagonal one...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 04, 2019, 08:51:31 AM
I run these in thunder teams and yeah it can some loose.  Sometimes they don't and just stay by themselves, I can even tighten them with the nut not spinning. 

I'd recommend that you just keep a close eye on them and when you get them right, crazy glue them.  Or tighten them up between set ups and just let them loosen up until it's time for a new board. 

Every how and then it'll just get loose, then you try and tighten them and if it's just spinning, you take your truck off....

It's not as big of a problem as I thought. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AssFlea on November 04, 2019, 09:40:55 AM
Square ones spin easier than hex. Same with the ace mini ones. They get loose from bumping shit like curbs and coping
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 04, 2019, 10:47:12 AM
Quote from: jtrpma on November 04, 2019, 05:40:00 AM
the hex nut gives you the same flat surfaces on both sides, as long as the size is correct the square one does not have any advantage over the hexagonal one...

I'd say the wider surface area would provide a lot more support against the nut rounding off the aluminum and beginning to spin. You'd be getting about twice the amount of contact per side.

As for the loctite suggestion, that could be a work around but your window for making adjustments would be really small before everything cures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 04, 2019, 12:04:21 PM
So besides vintage Indy plates, any trucks I’m missing that will fit inverted pins without JB weld?

Gullwing Shadows
(https://i.imgur.com/k4ZjN2ym.jpg)

Thunders (seems the nut will still come loose though)
(https://i.imgur.com/QycnF5mm.jpg)

Film
(https://i.imgur.com/h7zhRBam.jpg)

Trackers
(https://i.imgur.com/iTcwuJ7m.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on November 04, 2019, 01:02:06 PM
I woke up today and switched back to Indys after being on thunders for a few months. Just mentally going back seems to relieve some strange loyalty/ obligation to these trucks. Almost like nostalgia is more powerful than anything. None of this matters, just needed to say it out loud (type it on slap). Thanks and shalom
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on November 04, 2019, 10:39:18 PM
lil writeup about the atg tensor magnesiums:

Came from Venture 5.8 titaniums, skated these Tensors 4-5 times so far. There's definitely pros and cons. Wheelbase wise I'd agree with everyone else that they're between Indys and Ventures, probably similar ish to Thunders though I didn't measure exactly.

The good:
The biggest pro by far is how good the magnesium grinds on concrete, it makes chunks feel much smoother and you can grind curbs that are almost ungrindable on normal trucks. It's pretty crazy, went to a curb spot with some friends and everyone agreed that the difference is huge. Another nice thing is how light they are. Since they're 55mm tall which is noticeably higher than what I'm used to, I felt like I had to do put more conscious thought into all my flatground tricks, but it didn't require much physical effort like with standard indys since they are so light. The turn is also good too, really smooth and quite sharp. I struggled to fully max out the turn when trying to do sharp u-turns as my wheels would slide out before I maxed out the turn. I would maybe describe it as either a less twitchy, surfier and taller Thunder but really its just its own thing. Wheelbite wasn't really a major issue either since they're so much taller than I'm used to. Noseslides and tailslides are all on the baseplate too which is nice. The bushings and pivot cups all seem really high quality and broke in pretty quickly.

The questionable:
Someone earlier said that they thought it kinda felt like a Venture that turned better. While I agree that they turn better than Ventures, they definitely don't feel like Venture in any other way to me. They're definitely less stable, probably partially due to the increased height. But also just feel quite tippy in general and it definitely threw me off for some tricks. The pop feel I'd say is good, but doesn't feel as springy as as Ventures either. I guess this reduced stability and tippyness naturally comes with surfier turn and a higher truck. Maybe if I was skating aces before this I wouldn't have noticed it nearly as much but I haven't had a pair of aces in a while. Kingpin clearance is less than Ventures, but more than Indys, kinda similar to Aces, definitely sufficient.

They grind down significantly faster than aluminium trucks. This is somewhat a nice thing at first as you get your grooves in much quicker, but I feel like they'll probably last maybe half as long at most as a normal truck if you do a lot of grinds. For me it's worth the better grind but your priorities may differ. Lastly my biggest concern about these trucks is the durability. I already noticed a very small hairline fracture on the front baseplate on the edge of the pivot cup after doing slappies for a few hours at most. The axle also seems ever so slightly bent, at least more so than my Venture tis which I skated for much longer and my roommates brand new Aces. I'm not sure if it was like that when I bought them as I didn't check. It all feels and skates perfectly for now, but if it gets any worse then its going to be a bit of a problem. I'm also 6 5, 190 pounds and kind of heavy footed so that certainly doesnt help, but then again I skate all low impact stuff so no axle should be bending on me this early.

I'm not sure if I want to keep skating them because of how high they are and how different the pop feels, maybe I just need more time. But if I go back to Ventures I'm definitely going to miss the turn. Also am already spoilt by how they grind on concrete so I almost want to try and throw the hangers on a baseplate that makes it lower and doesn't ruin the geometry and see how that goes. Thats how you know this thread has really pushed you off the deep end. Hopefully the axle doesnt bend more and the baseplate lasts (I think it will be okay)

TLDR: Grind crazy good on concrete, turn great, higher than I'm used to, responsive and super light which I appreciate. But don't feel as stable as Ventures and not as used to the pop (maybe just need more time), and definitely have concerns about the durability.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on November 05, 2019, 07:37:18 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on November 04, 2019, 12:04:21 PM
So besides vintage Indy plates, any trucks I’m missing that will fit inverted pins without JB weld?

Gullwing Shadows
(https://i.imgur.com/k4ZjN2ym.jpg)

Thunders (seems the nut will still come loose though)
(https://i.imgur.com/QycnF5mm.jpg)

Film
(https://i.imgur.com/h7zhRBam.jpg)

Trackers
(https://i.imgur.com/iTcwuJ7m.jpg)

Just jam a short flat head in there, tighten to the nylock, stick the truck back on and deal with it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 05, 2019, 08:52:56 AM
Quote from: Jollyoli on November 05, 2019, 07:37:18 AM
Just jam a short flat head in there, tighten to the nylock, stick the truck back on and deal with it.

I’m not sure if you understand, that’s exactly what I don’t want to do.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 7th Chamber on November 05, 2019, 09:03:54 AM
What’s the point of an inverted kingpin? All the trucks have good clearance now, so it seems like more hassle than it’s worth.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 05, 2019, 09:15:10 AM
It’s probably not much of a hassle with the whole JB Weld putty but yeah, I’m lazy. I don’t think the “big 3-4” truck companies have that great of clearance. It could be better, especially now with slappies making a huge comeback. Once my hanger grinds down a lot, I go through kingpin nuts biweekly because if I don’t switch it out, I’ll start sawing off the kingpin from grinds and then be unable to get a new nut on/off. If they don’t want to make the kingpin shorter, they should at least make a baseplate that will hold a nut securely without the JB Weld for those who desire the inverted kingpin.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 7th Chamber on November 05, 2019, 10:50:00 AM
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beatifk on November 05, 2019, 11:18:34 AM
Quote from: 7th Chamber on November 05, 2019, 10:50:00 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/dHbS7ModLuAgM/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on November 05, 2019, 12:06:35 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/vti7ypg.jpg)

Aces. My pivot cup bushings are quite shredded and I'd like to change them but I'm worried I'll have trouble with the nut. Also wouldn't want to destroy my mag plates just because of nut troubles. I have a set of Krux pins that I'm definitely gonna test out once these hangers are done.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skart on November 05, 2019, 12:31:27 PM
Really liking these 6.1's on 8.5
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 05, 2019, 12:39:04 PM
Quote from: 7th Chamber on November 05, 2019, 09:03:54 AM
What’s the point of an inverted kingpin? All the trucks have good clearance now, so it seems like more hassle than it’s worth.

Thunders.......

I skate slow....never grind far....and I hit axels....

Personally, just keeping an eye on them works well for me without doing the weld.  I could crazy glue the nut I bet too. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hillbilly shifty on November 05, 2019, 01:15:31 PM
Quote from: Roisto on November 05, 2019, 12:06:35 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/vti7ypg.jpg)

Aces. My pivot cup bushings are quite shredded and I'd like to change them but I'm worried I'll have trouble with the nut. Also wouldn't want to destroy my mag plates just because of nut troubles. I have a set of Krux pins that I'm definitely gonna test out once these hangers are done.

jb weld that nut into the cavity of the baseplate for an easy inverted kingpin set up!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on November 05, 2019, 01:48:04 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on November 04, 2019, 10:39:18 PM
lil writeup about the atg tensor magnesiums:


The good:
The biggest pro by far is how good the magnesium grinds on concrete, it makes chunks feel much smoother and you can grind curbs that are almost ungrindable on normal trucks.

How is the grind on metal coping?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on November 05, 2019, 01:58:53 PM
Anyone give the Thunder 161s a good seeing to?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on November 05, 2019, 02:04:14 PM
Quote from: backinaction on November 05, 2019, 01:48:04 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on November 04, 2019, 10:39:18 PM
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lil writeup about the atg tensor magnesiums:


The good:
The biggest pro by far is how good the magnesium grinds on concrete, it makes chunks feel much smoother and you can grind curbs that are almost ungrindable on normal trucks.
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How is the grind on metal coping?

as far as I can tell, pretty much the same, maybe a tiny bit smoother if we're splitting hairs?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on November 05, 2019, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on November 05, 2019, 01:58:53 PM
Anyone give the Thunder 161s a good seeing to?
here for this
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on November 05, 2019, 05:05:50 PM
Thunder 147 does not have good clearance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on November 05, 2019, 08:50:26 PM
Quote from: backinaction on November 05, 2019, 01:48:04 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on November 04, 2019, 10:39:18 PM
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lil writeup about the atg tensor magnesiums:


The good:
The biggest pro by far is how good the magnesium grinds on concrete, it makes chunks feel much smoother and you can grind curbs that are almost ungrindable on normal trucks.
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How is the grind on metal coping?

Perfect. I found the difference unnoticeable compared to the major truck brands. Mags were slightly faster, especially on unwaxed stuff. The only thing was this one "sharp" ledge at the local. When I was doing crooks on that ledge or smiths with the mags (any grind that puts stress on a small part of a single truck) there was a bunch of metal shavings around the ground and the crook groove showed up super fast, like within the session fast. To be fair that ledge sucks balls and chews through trucks, it's why I swapped from aces since it shaved my hanger down to where I started catching the kingpin all the time and I just couldn't have fun with certain grinds.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on November 05, 2019, 08:59:10 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on November 04, 2019, 10:39:18 PM
lil writeup about the atg tensor magnesiums:

Came from Venture 5.8 titaniums, skated these Tensors 4-5 times so far. There's definitely pros and cons. Wheelbase wise I'd agree with everyone else that they're between Indys and Ventures, probably similar ish to Thunders though I didn't measure exactly.

The good:
The biggest pro by far is how good the magnesium grinds on concrete, it makes chunks feel much smoother and you can grind curbs that are almost ungrindable on normal trucks. It's pretty crazy, went to a curb spot with some friends and everyone agreed that the difference is huge. Another nice thing is how light they are. Since they're 55mm tall which is noticeably higher than what I'm used to, I felt like I had to do put more conscious thought into all my flatground tricks, but it didn't require much physical effort like with standard indys since they are so light. The turn is also good too, really smooth and quite sharp. I struggled to fully max out the turn when trying to do sharp u-turns as my wheels would slide out before I maxed out the turn. I would maybe describe it as either a less twitchy, surfier and taller Thunder but really its just its own thing. Wheelbite wasn't really a major issue either since they're so much taller than I'm used to. Noseslides and tailslides are all on the baseplate too which is nice. The bushings and pivot cups all seem really high quality and broke in pretty quickly.

The questionable:
Someone earlier said that they thought it kinda felt like a Venture that turned better. While I agree that they turn better than Ventures, they definitely don't feel like Venture in any other way to me. They're definitely less stable, probably partially due to the increased height. But also just feel quite tippy in general and it definitely threw me off for some tricks. The pop feel I'd say is good, but doesn't feel as springy as as Ventures either. I guess this reduced stability and tippyness naturally comes with surfier turn and a higher truck. Maybe if I was skating aces before this I wouldn't have noticed it nearly as much but I haven't had a pair of aces in a while. Kingpin clearance is less than Ventures, but more than Indys, kinda similar to Aces, definitely sufficient.

They grind down significantly faster than aluminium trucks. This is somewhat a nice thing at first as you get your grooves in much quicker, but I feel like they'll probably last maybe half as long at most as a normal truck if you do a lot of grinds. For me it's worth the better grind but your priorities may differ. Lastly my biggest concern about these trucks is the durability. I already noticed a very small hairline fracture on the front baseplate on the edge of the pivot cup after doing slappies for a few hours at most. The axle also seems ever so slightly bent, at least more so than my Venture tis which I skated for much longer and my roommates brand new Aces. I'm not sure if it was like that when I bought them as I didn't check. It all feels and skates perfectly for now, but if it gets any worse then its going to be a bit of a problem. I'm also 6 5, 190 pounds and kind of heavy footed so that certainly doesnt help, but then again I skate all low impact stuff so no axle should be bending on me this early.

I'm not sure if I want to keep skating them because of how high they are and how different the pop feels, maybe I just need more time. But if I go back to Ventures I'm definitely going to miss the turn. Also am already spoilt by how they grind on concrete so I almost want to try and throw the hangers on a baseplate that makes it lower and doesn't ruin the geometry and see how that goes. Thats how you know this thread has really pushed you off the deep end. Hopefully the axle doesnt bend more and the baseplate lasts (I think it will be okay)

TLDR: Grind crazy good on concrete, turn great, higher than I'm used to, responsive and super light which I appreciate. But don't feel as stable as Ventures and not as used to the pop (maybe just need more time), and definitely have concerns about the durability.

Appreciate the info, were you skating low ventures? I'd skated the high ones prior so that might be why I compared the two since they're similar heights. I should also note the other trucks I'd been skating (aces, indys with really broken in bones bushings, and thunders with the same broken in bushings) all felt less stable than the tensors so my standard for "stability" could be sub-par. Honestly it could just be me being wrong saying they felt similar to ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on November 05, 2019, 09:03:04 PM
Quote from: whatsreallygood on November 05, 2019, 08:59:10 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on November 04, 2019, 10:39:18 PM
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lil writeup about the atg tensor magnesiums:

Came from Venture 5.8 titaniums, skated these Tensors 4-5 times so far. There's definitely pros and cons. Wheelbase wise I'd agree with everyone else that they're between Indys and Ventures, probably similar ish to Thunders though I didn't measure exactly.

The good:
The biggest pro by far is how good the magnesium grinds on concrete, it makes chunks feel much smoother and you can grind curbs that are almost ungrindable on normal trucks. It's pretty crazy, went to a curb spot with some friends and everyone agreed that the difference is huge. Another nice thing is how light they are. Since they're 55mm tall which is noticeably higher than what I'm used to, I felt like I had to do put more conscious thought into all my flatground tricks, but it didn't require much physical effort like with standard indys since they are so light. The turn is also good too, really smooth and quite sharp. I struggled to fully max out the turn when trying to do sharp u-turns as my wheels would slide out before I maxed out the turn. I would maybe describe it as either a less twitchy, surfier and taller Thunder but really its just its own thing. Wheelbite wasn't really a major issue either since they're so much taller than I'm used to. Noseslides and tailslides are all on the baseplate too which is nice. The bushings and pivot cups all seem really high quality and broke in pretty quickly.

The questionable:
Someone earlier said that they thought it kinda felt like a Venture that turned better. While I agree that they turn better than Ventures, they definitely don't feel like Venture in any other way to me. They're definitely less stable, probably partially due to the increased height. But also just feel quite tippy in general and it definitely threw me off for some tricks. The pop feel I'd say is good, but doesn't feel as springy as as Ventures either. I guess this reduced stability and tippyness naturally comes with surfier turn and a higher truck. Maybe if I was skating aces before this I wouldn't have noticed it nearly as much but I haven't had a pair of aces in a while. Kingpin clearance is less than Ventures, but more than Indys, kinda similar to Aces, definitely sufficient.

They grind down significantly faster than aluminium trucks. This is somewhat a nice thing at first as you get your grooves in much quicker, but I feel like they'll probably last maybe half as long at most as a normal truck if you do a lot of grinds. For me it's worth the better grind but your priorities may differ. Lastly my biggest concern about these trucks is the durability. I already noticed a very small hairline fracture on the front baseplate on the edge of the pivot cup after doing slappies for a few hours at most. The axle also seems ever so slightly bent, at least more so than my Venture tis which I skated for much longer and my roommates brand new Aces. I'm not sure if it was like that when I bought them as I didn't check. It all feels and skates perfectly for now, but if it gets any worse then its going to be a bit of a problem. I'm also 6 5, 190 pounds and kind of heavy footed so that certainly doesnt help, but then again I skate all low impact stuff so no axle should be bending on me this early.

I'm not sure if I want to keep skating them because of how high they are and how different the pop feels, maybe I just need more time. But if I go back to Ventures I'm definitely going to miss the turn. Also am already spoilt by how they grind on concrete so I almost want to try and throw the hangers on a baseplate that makes it lower and doesn't ruin the geometry and see how that goes. Thats how you know this thread has really pushed you off the deep end. Hopefully the axle doesnt bend more and the baseplate lasts (I think it will be okay)

TLDR: Grind crazy good on concrete, turn great, higher than I'm used to, responsive and super light which I appreciate. But don't feel as stable as Ventures and not as used to the pop (maybe just need more time), and definitely have concerns about the durability.
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Appreciate the info, were you skating low ventures? I'd skated the high ones prior so that might be why I compared the two since they're similar heights. I should also note the other trucks I'd been skating (aces, indys with really broken in bones bushings, and thunders with the same broken in bushings) all felt less stable than the tensors so my standard for "stability" could be sub-par. Honestly it could just be me being wrong saying they felt similar to ventures.

I was skating normal ventures but with the forged plates so they would have been 53.5mm tall if I'm not mistaken. I think the added 1.5mm in height as well as the slightly shorter wheelbase resulted in the feeling of tippyness and slightly less stability. Honestly, no worse and likely even better than indy standards and aces, just slightly more tippy and unstable compared to lower Ventures. I just set up a slightly shorter board so I went back to Ventures for the stability. But definitely keeping Tensors around for when I skate a board that will complement them well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on November 06, 2019, 09:31:17 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on November 05, 2019, 09:03:04 PM
Quote from: whatsreallygood on November 05, 2019, 08:59:10 PM
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Quote from: tzhangdox on November 04, 2019, 10:39:18 PM
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lil writeup about the atg tensor magnesiums:

Came from Venture 5.8 titaniums, skated these Tensors 4-5 times so far. There's definitely pros and cons. Wheelbase wise I'd agree with everyone else that they're between Indys and Ventures, probably similar ish to Thunders though I didn't measure exactly.

The good:
The biggest pro by far is how good the magnesium grinds on concrete, it makes chunks feel much smoother and you can grind curbs that are almost ungrindable on normal trucks. It's pretty crazy, went to a curb spot with some friends and everyone agreed that the difference is huge. Another nice thing is how light they are. Since they're 55mm tall which is noticeably higher than what I'm used to, I felt like I had to do put more conscious thought into all my flatground tricks, but it didn't require much physical effort like with standard indys since they are so light. The turn is also good too, really smooth and quite sharp. I struggled to fully max out the turn when trying to do sharp u-turns as my wheels would slide out before I maxed out the turn. I would maybe describe it as either a less twitchy, surfier and taller Thunder but really its just its own thing. Wheelbite wasn't really a major issue either since they're so much taller than I'm used to. Noseslides and tailslides are all on the baseplate too which is nice. The bushings and pivot cups all seem really high quality and broke in pretty quickly.

The questionable:
Someone earlier said that they thought it kinda felt like a Venture that turned better. While I agree that they turn better than Ventures, they definitely don't feel like Venture in any other way to me. They're definitely less stable, probably partially due to the increased height. But also just feel quite tippy in general and it definitely threw me off for some tricks. The pop feel I'd say is good, but doesn't feel as springy as as Ventures either. I guess this reduced stability and tippyness naturally comes with surfier turn and a higher truck. Maybe if I was skating aces before this I wouldn't have noticed it nearly as much but I haven't had a pair of aces in a while. Kingpin clearance is less than Ventures, but more than Indys, kinda similar to Aces, definitely sufficient.

They grind down significantly faster than aluminium trucks. This is somewhat a nice thing at first as you get your grooves in much quicker, but I feel like they'll probably last maybe half as long at most as a normal truck if you do a lot of grinds. For me it's worth the better grind but your priorities may differ. Lastly my biggest concern about these trucks is the durability. I already noticed a very small hairline fracture on the front baseplate on the edge of the pivot cup after doing slappies for a few hours at most. The axle also seems ever so slightly bent, at least more so than my Venture tis which I skated for much longer and my roommates brand new Aces. I'm not sure if it was like that when I bought them as I didn't check. It all feels and skates perfectly for now, but if it gets any worse then its going to be a bit of a problem. I'm also 6 5, 190 pounds and kind of heavy footed so that certainly doesnt help, but then again I skate all low impact stuff so no axle should be bending on me this early.

I'm not sure if I want to keep skating them because of how high they are and how different the pop feels, maybe I just need more time. But if I go back to Ventures I'm definitely going to miss the turn. Also am already spoilt by how they grind on concrete so I almost want to try and throw the hangers on a baseplate that makes it lower and doesn't ruin the geometry and see how that goes. Thats how you know this thread has really pushed you off the deep end. Hopefully the axle doesnt bend more and the baseplate lasts (I think it will be okay)

TLDR: Grind crazy good on concrete, turn great, higher than I'm used to, responsive and super light which I appreciate. But don't feel as stable as Ventures and not as used to the pop (maybe just need more time), and definitely have concerns about the durability.
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Appreciate the info, were you skating low ventures? I'd skated the high ones prior so that might be why I compared the two since they're similar heights. I should also note the other trucks I'd been skating (aces, indys with really broken in bones bushings, and thunders with the same broken in bushings) all felt less stable than the tensors so my standard for "stability" could be sub-par. Honestly it could just be me being wrong saying they felt similar to ventures.
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I was skating normal ventures but with the forged plates so they would have been 53.5mm tall if I'm not mistaken. I think the added 1.5mm in height as well as the slightly shorter wheelbase resulted in the feeling of tippyness and slightly less stability. Honestly, no worse and likely even better than indy standards and aces, just slightly more tippy and unstable compared to lower Ventures. I just set up a slightly shorter board so I went back to Ventures for the stability. But definitely keeping Tensors around for when I skate a board that will complement them well.

Ah gotcha, that makes sense. I forget the wheelbase but I was skating on a board with a wider WB and that probably why I enjoy them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Oldguy78 on November 07, 2019, 01:53:35 AM
I stripped a kingpin on a set of hollow forged Indy’s. Anyone know if/where I can get a replacement and how to replace it? Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on November 07, 2019, 02:50:03 AM
Quote from: Oldguy78 on November 07, 2019, 01:53:35 AM
I stripped a kingpin on a set of hollow forged Indy’s. Anyone know if/where I can get a replacement and how to replace it? Thanks guys.
Last time a kingpin broke in my case was like 18 years ago. I'd put it in a huge crack and hammer the shit out of it to take it out but I remember breaking a friend's baseplate. Better go to some, idk the word in English, "metal place" so they can take it out for you.
In other truck topic related conversation: wanted to try Krux for ages but I'm way too deep on Indy country. The times I tried other brands I've sucked more than usual...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on November 07, 2019, 03:52:43 AM
Quote from: moonordie on November 07, 2019, 02:50:03 AM
Quote from: Oldguy78 on November 07, 2019, 01:53:35 AM
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I stripped a kingpin on a set of hollow forged Indy’s. Anyone know if/where I can get a replacement and how to replace it? Thanks guys.
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Last time a kingpin broke in my case was like 18 years ago. I'd put it in a huge crack and hammer the shit out of it to take it out but I remember breaking a friend's baseplate. Better go to some, idk the word in English, "metal place" so they can take it out for you.
In other truck topic related conversation: wanted to try Krux for ages but I'm way too deep on Indy country. The times I tried other brands I've sucked more than usual...
Big hammer, non rebound surface with gap that will allow the pin out whilst giving as much support as possible to surrounding base plate. I've broken cast plates and bent forged in the past. It sucks.
Top tip is to but the nut on top of the kingpin before hammering, I've flattened the top of the kingpin hammering and once I got it loose had to grind the folded metal off to get it through the hole.
Good luck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skart on November 07, 2019, 11:20:14 AM
Email indy about the kingpin, when it happend to me they replied and took care of it. Be patient tho, took a while to reply the 1st time
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 07, 2019, 11:25:32 AM
Yeah, if you have backup trucks I’d email Indy and wait for a replacement baseplate. Otherwise, since it’s forged, you have to put it in the oven to heat up the metal in order for the kingpin to come out easier. Then heat it up again in order to hammer one back in. Or go the Krux kingpin route and putty the nut into the bottom of the baseplate, less heating and hammering with that route and you won’t strip a kingpin again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Oldguy78 on November 07, 2019, 12:39:13 PM
Thanks guys! I have other trucks so I’ll just shoot Indy an email. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oldbummer on November 07, 2019, 01:21:07 PM
Save the broken kp to use as a tool to get the new one in.  You can try to heat up the bp to make it easier.  Hold over a candle or something.  A spark plug socket can help too
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on November 08, 2019, 01:17:30 AM
what's the difference between the indy "cracked ice" and ace riptide pivot cups?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on November 08, 2019, 08:21:07 AM
Quote from: anon on November 08, 2019, 01:17:30 AM
what's the difference between the indy "cracked ice" and ace riptide pivot cups?
nothing as far as i can tell. ive had both. they work, nicer than most stock pivots.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on November 08, 2019, 09:44:18 AM
Quote from: pointandclick on November 08, 2019, 08:21:07 AM
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what's the difference between the indy "cracked ice" and ace riptide pivot cups?
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nothing as far as i can tell. ive had both. they work, nicer than most stock pivots.
how long do they last?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on November 08, 2019, 10:10:05 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on November 07, 2019, 11:25:32 AM
Yeah, if you have backup trucks I’d email Indy and wait for a replacement baseplate. Otherwise, since it’s forged, you have to put it in the oven to heat up the metal in order for the kingpin to come out easier. Then heat it up again in order to hammer one back in. Or go the Krux kingpin route and putty the nut into the bottom of the baseplate, less heating and hammering with that route and you won’t strip a kingpin again.

this, ovens help as does the tip about keeping the nut on - heat and brute force will be your friend as will something to keep the baseplate secure ie a vice.

last kingpin i snapped was on my old thunders and it sheared the fuck off perfectly flush with where it protrudes through the baseplate, that was an annoyance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on November 08, 2019, 10:16:43 AM
Quote from: anon on November 08, 2019, 09:44:18 AM
Quote from: pointandclick on November 08, 2019, 08:21:07 AM
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Quote from: anon on November 08, 2019, 01:17:30 AM
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what's the difference between the indy "cracked ice" and ace riptide pivot cups?
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nothing as far as i can tell. ive had both. they work, nicer than most stock pivots.
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how long do they last?
had a set for 5 months and they are solid still. worth the money i think.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 08, 2019, 11:38:39 AM
Quote from: pointandclick on November 08, 2019, 08:21:07 AM
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what's the difference between the indy "cracked ice" and ace riptide pivot cups?
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nothing as far as i can tell. ive had both. they work, nicer than most stock pivots.

They'll tell you they were poured in different molds (and that may be the case), but they're plastic and will ultimately conform to whatever the pivot cup shape is due to pressure; I've ridden the cracked ice cups in Indy, ACE, Thunder, Venture and Theeve with zero issues.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on November 08, 2019, 12:48:28 PM
Hey guys its been a minute since my truck madness has kicked in (deck madness still in full effect however), so I wanted to know a couple things.

First off can someone give me a quick rundown on destructos? What do they do well and not so well? Any major differences between the d1/d2 I need to be aware of? I vaguely recall hearing that one of them has the weird in-between axle sizes ala tensor tens (8.125 rather than 8.25 etc) but I could be wrong on that. D2 mids are what I'm looking at right now but I figured I'd consult the experts before I pull the trigger.

This is all brought about because I picked up a pair of barely used Fury 8.25's for a song and dance a while back and just got around to skating them recently and I really, really like them. It's hard to really nail down their character but theyre light like a thunder with a bit of a controlled insanity to their turn like aces. That got me into the line of thinking of "are there other good trucks that I'm missing out on just because they don't have the market saturation or brand loyalty of the big guys?" which has me curious about Destructos now.

Also if anyone has or knows where I can get a pair of Fury evo 2 8.25 or 8.5 (I'm not even sure if they made 8.5s)   please let me know, I'd love to get a few more pairs since they seem to have gone dark since early last year and there doesnt seem to be much (if any) deadstock floating around.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 08, 2019, 10:48:51 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on November 08, 2019, 12:48:28 PM
Hey guys its been a minute since my truck madness has kicked in (deck madness still in full effect however), so I wanted to know a couple things.

First off can someone give me a quick rundown on destructos? What do they do well and not so well? Any major differences between the d1/d2 I need to be aware of? I vaguely recall hearing that one of them has the weird in-between axle sizes ala tensor tens (8.125 rather than 8.25 etc) but I could be wrong on that. D2 mids are what I'm looking at right now but I figured I'd consult the experts before I pull the trigger.

This is all brought about because I picked up a pair of barely used Fury 8.25's for a song and dance a while back and just got around to skating them recently and I really, really like them. It's hard to really nail down their character but theyre light like a thunder with a bit of a controlled insanity to their turn like aces. That got me into the line of thinking of "are there other good trucks that I'm missing out on just because they don't have the market saturation or brand loyalty of the big guys?" which has me curious about Destructos now.

Also if anyone has or knows where I can get a pair of Fury evo 2 8.25 or 8.5 (I'm not even sure if they made 8.5s)   please let me know, I'd love to get a few more pairs since they seem to have gone dark since early last year and there doesnt seem to be much (if any) deadstock floating around.

Hello

I’m back from the Bmx life, sorry guys.

Anyways destructos I wouldn’t waste time with unless your really down to try

They didn’t have any special turn feel or pop feel

They just felt like your run of the mill mid 2000’s truck that had stiff as butts bushings that need to be broken in to finally turn but it’s gonna take a lot

I rode them stock without the small top washer and they turned ok, like if you put medium hard cylinder bushing in indys

Pop was nothing to write home about, just popped okay. Not awkward like old tensor 10’s or a venture low, sorta like a thunder pop mixed with Indy

But not good, just okay.

Overall my run with the destructo d1 mid/standard id say they were not worth it if you compare them to ace, Indy, thunder and even venture high. Heck even theeves are better I would say

Ill throw in another heck, royals are probably at the same level or better

I might be hating but yah, not worth the price. If they were like $10 cheaper than the big 3 then maybe they’re worth it

If they changed their bushing formula and aluminum grade they could have a decent truck, keep the signature geo because it’s who they are but for now until they make some revisions idk how certain riders are doing destructo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on November 09, 2019, 04:47:18 PM
DLX coming through with replacements for my trusty 149 Titaniums, its Thunder for life now (https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wow.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 09, 2019, 05:32:39 PM
Where did you see this?  If so, I'm psyched, I was considering trying something else but if they keep making hangers, I'll keep buying them. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 09, 2019, 07:41:12 PM
Looking for truck that have the pop of Thunder 148 and the slide of an Indy 139. The axle placement of the Thunders gives an incredibly light pop but I'm always sticking on ledge tricks. Indy's shorten the wheelbase too much which makes the pop feel really heavy, but the slide feels more controllable especially for tailslides.
I'm looking at either a Venture 5.2 Lo or Thunder 147 for a more controlled pop since I find myself constantly slamming my trucks or tail onto the ledge.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on November 09, 2019, 08:43:11 PM
Quote from: rob on November 08, 2019, 10:48:51 PM

Hello

I’m back from the Bmx life, sorry guys.

Anyways destructos I wouldn’t waste time with unless your really down to try

They didn’t have any special turn feel or pop feel

They just felt like your run of the mill mid 2000’s truck that had stiff as butts bushings that need to be broken in to finally turn but it’s gonna take a lot

I rode them stock without the small top washer and they turned ok, like if you put medium hard cylinder bushing in indys

Pop was nothing to write home about, just popped okay. Not awkward like old tensor 10’s or a venture low, sorta like a thunder pop mixed with Indy

But not good, just okay.

Overall my run with the destructo d1 mid/standard id say they were not worth it if you compare them to ace, Indy, thunder and even venture high. Heck even theeves are better I would say

Ill throw in another heck, royals are probably at the same level or better

I might be hating but yah, not worth the price. If they were like $10 cheaper than the big 3 then maybe they’re worth it

If they changed their bushing formula and aluminum grade they could have a decent truck, keep the signature geo because it’s who they are but for now until they make some revisions idk how certain riders are doing destructo

Thanks for the feedback dude, welcome back to having balls. Have you tried the D2? I was looking at the D2 mid lite, D1 is higher like Indy which is cool but when I want to ride a high truck I have an assortment of Indys and Ventures for that. The D2 is closer to the Thunder/Fury height which seems to be my ideal pop height. As for bushings you of all people should know I have an extensive selection so if the stock ones suck I'm sure I can find something that works. I am a little upset that they don't do the "bones licensed" bushings anymore because I always wanted a black bones medium with a red cap purely for aesthetic purposes. I got a single set of destructo bushings randomly thrown in on an ebay order a while back they seemed fine. A little hard, but that's fine with me.

And whoever commented on DLX customer support - they're fucking amazing. Seriously incredible. I emailed them last week to ask if there was a way I could buy a single Thunder to replace one I lost and they said they don't sell them that way so they'll just send me one. Not replacing a broken or defective truck, just helping me out because I'm fucking dumb. That's so cool that not only do they make some of the best products on the market (hands down the best wheels) but they also care enough about skating that they're willing to do whatever it takes to get some random dipshit rolling again. I'm not going to claim I'll settle down and only ride Thunder/Venture from now on but that definitely inspired some newfound brand loyalty in me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on November 09, 2019, 10:51:19 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 09, 2019, 07:41:12 PM
Looking for truck that have the pop of Thunder 148 and the slide of an Indy 139. The axle placement of the Thunders gives an incredibly light pop but I'm always sticking on ledge tricks. Indy's shorten the wheelbase too much which makes the pop feel really heavy, but the slide feels more controllable especially for tailslides.
I'm looking at either a Venture 5.2 Lo or Thunder 147 for a more controlled pop since I find myself constantly slamming my trucks or tail onto the ledge.

Aren't indy's supposed to make the pop lighter due to the shorter wheelbase? In any case, if you want thunder pop and indy slides, ventures may be your best bet. You can slide thunders on with just baseplate if you keep your wheel size relatively small ~50mm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 10, 2019, 12:41:43 AM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on November 09, 2019, 10:51:19 PM
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Looking for truck that have the pop of Thunder 148 and the slide of an Indy 139. The axle placement of the Thunders gives an incredibly light pop but I'm always sticking on ledge tricks. Indy's shorten the wheelbase too much which makes the pop feel really heavy, but the slide feels more controllable especially for tailslides.
I'm looking at either a Venture 5.2 Lo or Thunder 147 for a more controlled pop since I find myself constantly slamming my trucks or tail onto the ledge.
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Aren't indy's supposed to make the pop lighter due to the shorter wheelbase? In any case, if you want thunder pop and indy slides, ventures may be your best bet. You can slide thunders on with just baseplate if you keep your wheel size relatively small ~50mm

I only tried the Indy's on towards the last 1/4 of my session so fatigue could very well have been a factor. Either way I was getting a fair bit of ghost pop and the heft the board actually helped me control my turn into tailslides.

Would you suggest the Venture 5.2 Hi or Lows?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on November 10, 2019, 04:07:15 AM
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Looking for truck that have the pop of Thunder 148 and the slide of an Indy 139. The axle placement of the Thunders gives an incredibly light pop but I'm always sticking on ledge tricks. Indy's shorten the wheelbase too much which makes the pop feel really heavy, but the slide feels more controllable especially for tailslides.
I'm looking at either a Venture 5.2 Lo or Thunder 147 for a more controlled pop since I find myself constantly slamming my trucks or tail onto the ledge.
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Aren't indy's supposed to make the pop lighter due to the shorter wheelbase? In any case, if you want thunder pop and indy slides, ventures may be your best bet. You can slide thunders on with just baseplate if you keep your wheel size relatively small ~50mm
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I only tried the Indy's on towards the last 1/4 of my session so fatigue could very well have been a factor. Either way I was getting a fair bit of ghost pop and the heft the board actually helped me control my turn into tailslides.

Would you suggest the Venture 5.2 Hi or Lows?

Have you tried/considered trying Ace? Despite the compact  wheelbase and being relatively tall I found that my pop was substantially lighter and easier than with Indys on a 14.25" wb deck. Granted this is entirely anecdotal but I found Ace to be the only truck that felt as good as Thunder in terms or pop. Going from Thunder to venture high was a lot more difficult of a transition, for me there's only a handful of decks that Ventures feel good on - the best one is an Antihero 8.28 Kanfoush deck with a 14.12" wb. Any longer than that and I struggle to find my pop for a few days  (lots of ghost popping) whereas with Ace I can pretty much throw them on any deck with a 14.25 or longer wb and be more or less good to go. Also if you're OK with the 8" axle you can get Ace lows which would probably have a very quick pop.

Like I said that's just my experience with them and I'm a horrible skater so take it with a grain of salt. I think Ventures are great trucks with the right deck, but with the wrong one they're borderline unskateable.

PS: I'm not sure how it affects the geometry but if you go the venture lo route adding an 1/8" riser makes them feel quite a bit different. Really enjoy that setup on flat  8-8.12" decks. Also here's a link for a cheap set of them if you're in the US. I ordered a pair of theeve’s from him a few months ago and he's pretty quick about shipping stuff. Free shipping starts at $50.

https://www.thelongboardstore.com/trucks/skateboard-trucks/venture-5-25-v-hollow-lights-low-skateboard-trucks/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 10, 2019, 05:22:05 AM
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Looking for truck that have the pop of Thunder 148 and the slide of an Indy 139. The axle placement of the Thunders gives an incredibly light pop but I'm always sticking on ledge tricks. Indy's shorten the wheelbase too much which makes the pop feel really heavy, but the slide feels more controllable especially for tailslides.
I'm looking at either a Venture 5.2 Lo or Thunder 147 for a more controlled pop since I find myself constantly slamming my trucks or tail onto the ledge.
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Aren't indy's supposed to make the pop lighter due to the shorter wheelbase? In any case, if you want thunder pop and indy slides, ventures may be your best bet. You can slide thunders on with just baseplate if you keep your wheel size relatively small ~50mm
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I only tried the Indy's on towards the last 1/4 of my session so fatigue could very well have been a factor. Either way I was getting a fair bit of ghost pop and the heft the board actually helped me control my turn into tailslides.

Would you suggest the Venture 5.2 Hi or Lows?
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Have you tried/considered trying Ace? Despite the compact  wheelbase and being relatively tall I found that my pop was substantially lighter and easier than with Indys on a 14.25" wb deck. Granted this is entirely anecdotal but I found Ace to be the only truck that felt as good as Thunder in terms or pop. Going from Thunder to venture high was a lot more difficult of a transition, for me there's only a handful of decks that Ventures feel good on - the best one is an Antihero 8.28 Kanfoush deck with a 14.12" wb. Any longer than that and I struggle to find my pop for a few days  (lots of ghost popping) whereas with Ace I can pretty much throw them on any deck with a 14.25 or longer wb and be more or less good to go. Also if you're OK with the 8" axle you can get Ace lows which would probably have a very quick pop.

Like I said that's just my experience with them and I'm a horrible skater so take it with a grain of salt. I think Ventures are great trucks with the right deck, but with the wrong one they're borderline unskateable.

PS: I'm not sure how it affects the geometry but if you go the venture lo route adding an 1/8" riser makes them feel quite a bit different. Really enjoy that setup on flat  8-8.12" decks. Also here's a link for a cheap set of them if you're in the US. I ordered a pair of theeve’s from him a few months ago and he's pretty quick about shipping stuff. Free shipping starts at $50.

https://www.thelongboardstore.com/trucks/skateboard-trucks/venture-5-25-v-hollow-lights-low-skateboard-trucks/

Thanks for the input. Ill stick to the big 3 for now, Theeve and Ace trucks aren't readily available in my country. My last experience with a pair of Venture Low 5.0 wasn't great, it felt too low and my pop was bottoming out and I was always jumping way higher than my board. You're right about Venture being a more specific truck for a specific board, it feels like they drastically widen the WB much more than Thunderz.. Do the Highs and Lows shift the WB in the same way?

My initial impression of Indy's was they turned well and had a great grind. But they shortened the WB too much. From my research, Ace trucks do the same thing, which makes me really hesitate to try them.

Thunders seem like the most fool proof option in terms of WB adjustment and height. I'm liking the 148 Titanium ones at the moment, I'm keen to try the 147 on a 8" board with a shorter WB, like a 14".
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 10, 2019, 06:08:39 AM
I have 148 team hollows on a 8 with a 14 inch wheelbase and it’s currently the best setup I have had in years. Goldilocks zone for sure
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 10, 2019, 06:56:24 AM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on November 10, 2019, 06:08:39 AM
I have 148 team hollows on a 8 with a 14 inch wheelbase and it’s currently the best setup I have had in years. Goldilocks zone for sure

Ah shit I got a couple of 8" + 14" boards lying around. Looking forward to trying that combination.

Edit: Does anyone else keep a spreadsheet of truck and board combinations? I have a Google sheet that I update with every variation I try.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on November 10, 2019, 08:49:30 AM
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Looking for truck that have the pop of Thunder 148 and the slide of an Indy 139. The axle placement of the Thunders gives an incredibly light pop but I'm always sticking on ledge tricks. Indy's shorten the wheelbase too much which makes the pop feel really heavy, but the slide feels more controllable especially for tailslides.
I'm looking at either a Venture 5.2 Lo or Thunder 147 for a more controlled pop since I find myself constantly slamming my trucks or tail onto the ledge.
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Aren't indy's supposed to make the pop lighter due to the shorter wheelbase? In any case, if you want thunder pop and indy slides, ventures may be your best bet. You can slide thunders on with just baseplate if you keep your wheel size relatively small ~50mm
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I only tried the Indy's on towards the last 1/4 of my session so fatigue could very well have been a factor. Either way I was getting a fair bit of ghost pop and the heft the board actually helped me control my turn into tailslides.

Would you suggest the Venture 5.2 Hi or Lows?

Venture lows have a special place in my heart. I would recommend them if you don't really care about turning too much. I've haven't skated 5.2 his long enough to make a judgement. Thunder 147s are just as snappy and turn significantly better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: B0udoir on November 10, 2019, 09:56:01 AM
I find that Thunders Team and Aces are very similar, even in terms of turning ability. Not the same story for Thunders with the forged baseplate however.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 10, 2019, 10:08:03 AM
Quote from: B0udoir on November 10, 2019, 09:56:01 AM
I find that Thunders Team and Aces are very similar, even in terms of turning ability. Not the same story for Thunders with the forged baseplate however.

Thankfully the shop had almost every possible combo of thunders so I could make a better decision but I went in planning to get the team baseplate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mr. Kamikazi on November 10, 2019, 12:27:04 PM
Just grabbed Thunder 148’s polished. Stepped up from 147’s. Learned how to feeble grind much more comfortably.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 10, 2019, 08:02:44 PM
Quote from: B0udoir on November 10, 2019, 09:56:01 AM
I find that Thunders Team and Aces are very similar, even in terms of turning ability. Not the same story for Thunders with the forged baseplate however.

I have a set of thunder teams and a set of aces, very different trucks. 

Thunders: light, widen wheelbase, low, twitchy turn
Ace: heavy, shorten wheelbase, high, deep agressive turn

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 10, 2019, 09:11:39 PM
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I find that Thunders Team and Aces are very similar, even in terms of turning ability. Not the same story for Thunders with the forged baseplate however.
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I have a set of thunder teams and a set of aces, very different trucks. 

Thunders: light, widen wheelbase, low, twitchy turn
Ace: heavy, shorten wheelbase, high, deep agressive turn


Agreed, they couldn't be more different.

Much to my surprise, with ace and thunders being my favorite ends of the spectrum, I'm really enjoying the tensor atg mag lights...great jack of all trades truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on November 10, 2019, 10:15:12 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on November 10, 2019, 08:02:44 PM
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I find that Thunders Team and Aces are very similar, even in terms of turning ability. Not the same story for Thunders with the forged baseplate however.
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I have a set of thunder teams and a set of aces, very different trucks. 

Thunders: light, widen wheelbase, low, twitchy turn
Ace: heavy, shorten wheelbase, high, deep agressive turn

If we're talking about 148s and up and cast baseplates, Aces are actually lower at 52 mm vs. 52.3 mm for Thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 10, 2019, 10:57:34 PM
You could be right but thunders skate lower because of where the axel sits versus the pivots... People don't complain about wheelbite on Aces....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Woos on November 10, 2019, 11:17:29 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on November 10, 2019, 10:57:34 PM
You could be right but thunders skate lower because of where the axel sits versus the pivots... People don't complain about wheelbite on Aces....

I mean it depends on the deck you are riding.  Both suite decks of completely different shapes/proportions.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on November 11, 2019, 12:44:57 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on November 10, 2019, 10:57:34 PM
You could be right but thunders skate lower because of where the axel sits versus the pivots... People don't complain about wheelbite on Aces....

I couldn’t believe Aces were as low as they are. I get way less wheelbite with Aces than 55 mm tall Indys. Had to measure and it actually is true. Dunno what advantage the height alone brings to a truck. When comparing Aces to Indys and Thunders, I’d say nothing because other things affect how they perform a lot more so just comparing height doesn’t tell much. Maybe not having to bend as deep when pushing is the only thing? 🤔
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on November 11, 2019, 03:19:18 AM
Thunder 161 are 53mm tall I believe, how does that compare to 169 and 55’s again?

Thunder wheel bite is interesting, just watched Ben degros video of risers w thunder. Anyone have comments on that combo. Thunders w 55mm wheels above + risers?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on November 11, 2019, 06:23:06 AM
Quote from: jay_nev on November 11, 2019, 03:19:18 AM
Thunder 161 are 53mm tall I believe, how does that compare to 169 and 55’s again?

Thunder wheel bite is interesting, just watched Ben’s video of risers w thunder. Anyone have comments on that combo. Thunders w 55mm wheels above + risers?

I don't know this "Ben" guy but I run nylock tight 147-148s with 53-54 classics-radials and a 1/8th riser. I still get bite but it's controllable with or without the riser, if I'm landing that far off centre I deserve to get pitched.
Any bigger than 54 - YES, use one (or two, one each truck).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on November 11, 2019, 06:39:00 AM
Does anyone have a solution for slight hangar play and trucks sticking to one side in the pivot cup that doesn't involve buying new pivot cups? Mine aren't blown out (yet) so I'm trying to extend their life before I cave and buy riptides. I already put a bunch of wax shavings in there but it mostly just mushed out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 11, 2019, 08:10:13 AM
Quote from: Jollyoli on November 11, 2019, 06:23:06 AM
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Thunder 161 are 53mm tall I believe, how does that compare to 169 and 55’s again?

Thunder wheel bite is interesting, just watched Ben’s video of risers w thunder. Anyone have comments on that combo. Thunders w 55mm wheels above + risers?
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I don't know this "Ben" guy but I run nylock tight 147-148s with 53-54 classics-radials and a 1/8th riser. I still get bite but it's controllable with or without the riser, if I'm landing that far off centre I deserve to get pitched.
Any bigger than 54 - YES, use one (or two, one each truck).

Ted Degros' brother who runs a channel dedicated to skate nerdery. He goes really indepth about trucks which is awesome.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on November 11, 2019, 08:31:06 AM
After skating thunders I got some forged titanium Indy 149s. I’m stoked to go back to Indy’s. I just never felt as comfortable on thunders as I did on the 144 Indy’s  I had. But to be fair I did play with the bushings and swapped them out on the thunders and they felt the best with the stock bushings. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 11, 2019, 10:58:33 AM
During summer I rode three different trucks. Team Thunder’s 148 (stock), Ace 55’s (bones mediums), and Indy 139 Ti’s (stock and still riding these). I really noticed little difference between the turns. Perhaps Ace would have beat the other two if they were the skinnier 33-44’s? I just settled on strength>turn after bending/breaking so many Ace’s, so forged Indy Ti’s were the ones I stuck with. *shrug*
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HyenaChaser on November 11, 2019, 12:11:37 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 11, 2019, 08:10:13 AM
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Thunder 161 are 53mm tall I believe, how does that compare to 169 and 55’s again?

Thunder wheel bite is interesting, just watched Ben’s video of risers w thunder. Anyone have comments on that combo. Thunders w 55mm wheels above + risers?
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I don't know this "Ben" guy but I run nylock tight 147-148s with 53-54 classics-radials and a 1/8th riser. I still get bite but it's controllable with or without the riser, if I'm landing that far off centre I deserve to get pitched.
Any bigger than 54 - YES, use one (or two, one each truck).
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Ted Degros' brother who runs a channel dedicated to skate nerdery. He goes really indepth about trucks which is awesome.

What’s the episode title? I’m flirting with the idea of risers now that I’ve seen several pros I respect rocking them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: halfsharkalligatorhalfman on November 11, 2019, 12:48:23 PM
I'm currently on the Destructo 5.75 D1 Team Lite (I skate an 8.25).

I've never seen more king pin clearance on a truck in my life.

This is my first set outside of an Independent in about 15 years and I have to say I'm pretty blown away. I skate looser trucks so I had to swap the bushings out to something a little softer but that's pretty much any truck I feel like these days.

It has a magnesium baseplate and a hollow kingpin and feels super light but also sturdy unlike other gimmicky lightweight trucks like tensor mags or something that feel like a toys r us truck.

I know they're kind of the underdog in the indy/thunder dominated truck world but I'll be honest the truck is amazing and their logo isn't identified with bigoted hate groups so that's a plus as well.

the D1 does sit a little higher than the D2 but the D2 doesn't have the kingpin clearance that the D1 does.

Also I've emailed back and forth with them and they're really responsive and even hooked it up with a discount code.

Ordered them online and to my surprise had a bunch of stickers and a free t-shirt show up with the trucks.

Might be a customer for life at this point.

They have my vote.





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Hello

I’m back from the Bmx life, sorry guys.

Anyways destructos I wouldn’t waste time with unless your really down to try

They didn’t have any special turn feel or pop feel

They just felt like your run of the mill mid 2000’s truck that had stiff as butts bushings that need to be broken in to finally turn but it’s gonna take a lot

I rode them stock without the small top washer and they turned ok, like if you put medium hard cylinder bushing in indys

Pop was nothing to write home about, just popped okay. Not awkward like old tensor 10’s or a venture low, sorta like a thunder pop mixed with Indy

But not good, just okay.

Overall my run with the destructo d1 mid/standard id say they were not worth it if you compare them to ace, Indy, thunder and even venture high. Heck even theeves are better I would say

Ill throw in another heck, royals are probably at the same level or better

I might be hating but yah, not worth the price. If they were like $10 cheaper than the big 3 then maybe they’re worth it

If they changed their bushing formula and aluminum grade they could have a decent truck, keep the signature geo because it’s who they are but for now until they make some revisions idk how certain riders are doing destructo
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Thanks for the feedback dude, welcome back to having balls. Have you tried the D2? I was looking at the D2 mid lite, D1 is higher like Indy which is cool but when I want to ride a high truck I have an assortment of Indys and Ventures for that. The D2 is closer to the Thunder/Fury height which seems to be my ideal pop height. As for bushings you of all people should know I have an extensive selection so if the stock ones suck I'm sure I can find something that works. I am a little upset that they don't do the "bones licensed" bushings anymore because I always wanted a black bones medium with a red cap purely for aesthetic purposes. I got a single set of destructo bushings randomly thrown in on an ebay order a while back they seemed fine. A little hard, but that's fine with me.

And whoever commented on DLX customer support - they're fucking amazing. Seriously incredible. I emailed them last week to ask if there was a way I could buy a single Thunder to replace one I lost and they said they don't sell them that way so they'll just send me one. Not replacing a broken or defective truck, just helping me out because I'm fucking dumb. That's so cool that not only do they make some of the best products on the market (hands down the best wheels) but they also care enough about skating that they're willing to do whatever it takes to get some random dipshit rolling again. I'm not going to claim I'll settle down and only ride Thunder/Venture from now on but that definitely inspired some newfound brand loyalty in me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on November 11, 2019, 01:56:52 PM
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Thunder 161 are 53mm tall I believe, how does that compare to 169 and 55’s again?

Thunder wheel bite is interesting, just watched Ben’s video of risers w thunder. Anyone have comments on that combo. Thunders w 55mm wheels above + risers?
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I don't know this "Ben" guy but I run nylock tight 147-148s with 53-54 classics-radials and a 1/8th riser. I still get bite but it's controllable with or without the riser, if I'm landing that far off centre I deserve to get pitched.
Any bigger than 54 - YES, use one (or two, one each truck).
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Ted Degros' brother who runs a channel dedicated to skate nerdery. He goes really indepth about trucks which is awesome.
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What’s the episode title? I’m flirting with the idea of risers now that I’ve seen several pros I respect rocking them
https://youtu.be/0H3N1_XTBl0

This is the one I was referencing.
Curious w the thunder 161’s if anyone has had experience with their performance
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 11, 2019, 02:24:08 PM
I would imagine the 161’s are the same as any other Thunder just more of a mellow/slower turn because of them being wider and sitting on a bigger 8.75”-9” board, which tends to have a longer wheelbase than the smaller sizes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on November 11, 2019, 03:40:54 PM
I've been waiting for my local to get 161s for a few weeks.

If they are the same height as other Thunders you are probably going to get more wheelbite. Wider deck/ wider truck combos are more likely to require risers.

Regarding the above comment there are more and more wider boards with smaller wheelbase options.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on November 11, 2019, 04:46:07 PM
Been liking my Ventures again after getting back on the 5.6(hit axle on the front truck in about month) then went back into an old set of 5.8's.

Can anyone tell me me how much more it stretches the wheelbase? same goes with Ace & Indy. How much more does it increase or decrease it betweeen those 3 truck brands.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 11, 2019, 04:57:06 PM
Quote from: ferraveemo on November 11, 2019, 04:46:07 PM
Been liking my Ventures again after getting back on the 5.6(hit axle on the front truck in about month) then went back into an old set of 5.8's.

Can anyone tell me me how much more it stretches the wheelbase? same goes with Ace & Indy. How much more does it increase or decrease it betweeen those 3 truck brands.

It stretches the furthest of all the big brands (past Thunder).

ACE/Theeve<Indy<Thunder<Venture
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on November 11, 2019, 05:41:16 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on November 11, 2019, 03:40:54 PM
I've been waiting for my local to get 161s for a few weeks.

If they are the same height as other Thunders you are probably going to get more wheelbite. Wider deck/ wider truck combos are more likely to require risers.

Regarding the above comment there are more and more wider boards with smaller wheelbase options.
161s are  53mm tall I believe. 1mm taller than 151’s at 52mm. Per YouTube comment by thunder account for the latest 161 ad
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on November 11, 2019, 06:41:21 PM
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 11, 2019, 06:56:23 PM
Quote from: Xen on November 11, 2019, 04:57:06 PM
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Been liking my Ventures again after getting back on the 5.6(hit axle on the front truck in about month) then went back into an old set of 5.8's.

Can anyone tell me me how much more it stretches the wheelbase? same goes with Ace & Indy. How much more does it increase or decrease it betweeen those 3 truck brands.
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It stretches the furthest of all the big brands (past Thunder).

ACE/Theeve<Indy<Thunder<Venture

Gonna shamelessly link to my own post, you can see for yourself the actual wheelbase measurements and the +/- for whatever deck wheelbase you're running.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on November 11, 2019, 07:40:28 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on November 11, 2019, 05:41:16 PM
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I've been waiting for my local to get 161s for a few weeks.

If they are the same height as other Thunders you are probably going to get more wheelbite. Wider deck/ wider truck combos are more likely to require risers.

Regarding the above comment there are more and more wider boards with smaller wheelbase options.
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161s are  53mm tall I believe. 1mm taller than 151’s at 52mm. Per YouTube comment by thunder account for the latest 161 ad

Rad. Thanks for pointing that out. They also mentioned the 161s have 6.3" wide hangers (160mm or so), which is great and puts them closer to 55s than 169s. Really want a set now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 11, 2019, 08:24:32 PM
Quote from: palelight on November 11, 2019, 06:56:23 PM
Quote from: Xen on November 11, 2019, 04:57:06 PM
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Been liking my Ventures again after getting back on the 5.6(hit axle on the front truck in about month) then went back into an old set of 5.8's.

Can anyone tell me me how much more it stretches the wheelbase? same goes with Ace & Indy. How much more does it increase or decrease it betweeen those 3 truck brands.
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It stretches the furthest of all the big brands (past Thunder).

ACE/Theeve<Indy<Thunder<Venture
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Gonna shamelessly link to my own post, you can see for yourself the actual wheelbase measurements and the +/- for whatever deck wheelbase you're running.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

Gnar'd

Thanks for actually putting those together, Ventures really extend the wheelbase out a lot.

Thunder and Indy are a more general use truck, Ventures are work best of specific setups with very short WB
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on November 11, 2019, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 11, 2019, 08:24:32 PM
Quote from: palelight on November 11, 2019, 06:56:23 PM
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Quote from: Xen on November 11, 2019, 04:57:06 PM
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Been liking my Ventures again after getting back on the 5.6(hit axle on the front truck in about month) then went back into an old set of 5.8's.

Can anyone tell me me how much more it stretches the wheelbase? same goes with Ace & Indy. How much more does it increase or decrease it betweeen those 3 truck brands.
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It stretches the furthest of all the big brands (past Thunder).

ACE/Theeve<Indy<Thunder<Venture
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Gonna shamelessly link to my own post, you can see for yourself the actual wheelbase measurements and the +/- for whatever deck wheelbase you're running.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039
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Gnar'd

Thanks for actually putting those together, Ventures really extend the wheelbase out a lot.

Thunder and Indy are a more general use truck, Ventures are work best of specific setups with very short WB

I think Venture's have been working out for me since i've only been sticking with decks w/ a 14-14.24 wb. I used to skate Ace's before this and it would make those dimensions feel really short.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AssFlea on November 11, 2019, 09:39:33 PM
Quote from: palelight on November 04, 2019, 10:47:12 AM
Quote from: jtrpma on November 04, 2019, 05:40:00 AM
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the hex nut gives you the same flat surfaces on both sides, as long as the size is correct the square one does not have any advantage over the hexagonal one...
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I'd say the wider surface area would provide a lot more support against the nut rounding off the aluminum and beginning to spin. You'd be getting about twice the amount of contact per side.

As for the loctite suggestion, that could be a work around but your window for making adjustments would be really small before everything cures.

the wider surface would make it easier to spin I think. That why all things are hex. It's safer
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on November 11, 2019, 10:25:23 PM
Going back to thunder 147 team editions after skating venture 5.2 lows. i busted my ass one too many times due to wheelbite.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on November 11, 2019, 10:53:48 PM
Quote from: AssFlea on November 11, 2019, 09:39:33 PM
Quote from: palelight on November 04, 2019, 10:47:12 AM
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the hex nut gives you the same flat surfaces on both sides, as long as the size is correct the square one does not have any advantage over the hexagonal one...
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I'd say the wider surface area would provide a lot more support against the nut rounding off the aluminum and beginning to spin. You'd be getting about twice the amount of contact per side.

As for the loctite suggestion, that could be a work around but your window for making adjustments would be really small before everything cures.
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the wider surface would make it easier to spin I think. That why all things are hex. It's safer

They’re hex so that you can fit your wrench better, not just 4 ways. A square nut would resist slipping much better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 11, 2019, 11:23:20 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on November 11, 2019, 10:25:23 PM
Going back to thunder 147 team editions after skating venture 5.2 lows. i busted my ass one too many times due to wheelbite.

Isn't the height difference only around 1mm?

https://www.tactics.com/thunder/polished-skateboard-trucks/polished-147

https://www.tactics.com/venture/polished-skateboard-trucks/polished-52-lo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 12, 2019, 12:24:47 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 11, 2019, 08:24:32 PM
Quote from: palelight on November 11, 2019, 06:56:23 PM
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Quote from: Xen on November 11, 2019, 04:57:06 PM
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Quote from: ferraveemo on November 11, 2019, 04:46:07 PM
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Been liking my Ventures again after getting back on the 5.6(hit axle on the front truck in about month) then went back into an old set of 5.8's.

Can anyone tell me me how much more it stretches the wheelbase? same goes with Ace & Indy. How much more does it increase or decrease it betweeen those 3 truck brands.
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It stretches the furthest of all the big brands (past Thunder).

ACE/Theeve<Indy<Thunder<Venture
[close]

Gonna shamelessly link to my own post, you can see for yourself the actual wheelbase measurements and the +/- for whatever deck wheelbase you're running.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039
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Gnar'd

Thanks for actually putting those together, Ventures really extend the wheelbase out a lot.

Thunder and Indy are a more general use truck, Ventures are work best of specific setups with very short WB

Not a problem. And indeed, Ventures throw the wheelbase quite far. Weirdly though I noticed Ventures working the best with really mellow tails. Due the wheelbase extension it makes up for the shallow pop you usually get with flatter tails.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 12, 2019, 12:43:01 AM
Quote from: palelight on November 12, 2019, 12:24:47 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 11, 2019, 08:24:32 PM
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Quote from: palelight on November 11, 2019, 06:56:23 PM
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Quote from: Xen on November 11, 2019, 04:57:06 PM
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Quote from: ferraveemo on November 11, 2019, 04:46:07 PM
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Been liking my Ventures again after getting back on the 5.6(hit axle on the front truck in about month) then went back into an old set of 5.8's.

Can anyone tell me me how much more it stretches the wheelbase? same goes with Ace & Indy. How much more does it increase or decrease it betweeen those 3 truck brands.
[close]

It stretches the furthest of all the big brands (past Thunder).

ACE/Theeve<Indy<Thunder<Venture
[close]

Gonna shamelessly link to my own post, you can see for yourself the actual wheelbase measurements and the +/- for whatever deck wheelbase you're running.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039
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Gnar'd

Thanks for actually putting those together, Ventures really extend the wheelbase out a lot.

Thunder and Indy are a more general use truck, Ventures are work best of specific setups with very short WB
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Not a problem. And indeed, Ventures throw the wheelbase quite far. Weirdly though I noticed Ventures working the best with really mellow tails. Due the wheelbase extension it makes up for the shallow pop you usually get with flatter tails.

Been thinking of trying a pair for a smaller, tech setup since I find myself popping very hard and always rely on explosive pop. I get nice and high on the ledge, but the ledge is short (shin high) and my setup feels (as Ben Degros puts it) an all or nothing board. Thinking of either 5.0 or 5.2 Venture Low.

I've tried mellower boards like Habitat but I flip tricks feel bloody impossible on them. Hopefully my next Cliche board gives me that lighter pop I'm looking for.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on November 12, 2019, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 11, 2019, 11:23:20 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on November 11, 2019, 10:25:23 PM
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Going back to thunder 147 team editions after skating venture 5.2 lows. i busted my ass one too many times due to wheelbite.
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Isn't the height difference only around 1mm?

https://www.tactics.com/thunder/polished-skateboard-trucks/polished-147

https://www.tactics.com/venture/polished-skateboard-trucks/polished-52-lo

I dont know why but i feel it makes a huge difference, that 1mm increase. I'm gonna verify with my new setup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 12, 2019, 12:13:51 PM
Quote from: halfsharkalligatorhalfman on November 11, 2019, 12:48:23 PM
I'm currently on the Destructo 5.75 D1 Team Lite (I skate an 8.25).

I've never seen more king pin clearance on a truck in my life.

This is my first set outside of an Independent in about 15 years and I have to say I'm pretty blown away. I skate looser trucks so I had to swap the bushings out to something a little softer but that's pretty much any truck I feel like these days.

It has a magnesium baseplate and a hollow kingpin and feels super light but also sturdy unlike other gimmicky lightweight trucks like tensor mags or something that feel like a toys r us truck.

I know they're kind of the underdog in the indy/thunder dominated truck world but I'll be honest the truck is amazing and their logo isn't identified with bigoted hate groups so that's a plus as well.

the D1 does sit a little higher than the D2 but the D2 doesn't have the kingpin clearance that the D1 does.

Also I've emailed back and forth with them and they're really responsive and even hooked it up with a discount code.

Ordered them online and to my surprise had a bunch of stickers and a free t-shirt show up with the trucks.

Might be a customer for life at this point.

They have my vote.





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Hello

I’m back from the Bmx life, sorry guys.

Anyways destructos I wouldn’t waste time with unless your really down to try

They didn’t have any special turn feel or pop feel

They just felt like your run of the mill mid 2000’s truck that had stiff as butts bushings that need to be broken in to finally turn but it’s gonna take a lot

I rode them stock without the small top washer and they turned ok, like if you put medium hard cylinder bushing in indys

Pop was nothing to write home about, just popped okay. Not awkward like old tensor 10’s or a venture low, sorta like a thunder pop mixed with Indy

But not good, just okay.

Overall my run with the destructo d1 mid/standard id say they were not worth it if you compare them to ace, Indy, thunder and even venture high. Heck even theeves are better I would say

Ill throw in another heck, royals are probably at the same level or better

I might be hating but yah, not worth the price. If they were like $10 cheaper than the big 3 then maybe they’re worth it

If they changed their bushing formula and aluminum grade they could have a decent truck, keep the signature geo because it’s who they are but for now until they make some revisions idk how certain riders are doing destructo
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Thanks for the feedback dude, welcome back to having balls. Have you tried the D2? I was looking at the D2 mid lite, D1 is higher like Indy which is cool but when I want to ride a high truck I have an assortment of Indys and Ventures for that. The D2 is closer to the Thunder/Fury height which seems to be my ideal pop height. As for bushings you of all people should know I have an extensive selection so if the stock ones suck I'm sure I can find something that works. I am a little upset that they don't do the "bones licensed" bushings anymore because I always wanted a black bones medium with a red cap purely for aesthetic purposes. I got a single set of destructo bushings randomly thrown in on an ebay order a while back they seemed fine. A little hard, but that's fine with me.

And whoever commented on DLX customer support - they're fucking amazing. Seriously incredible. I emailed them last week to ask if there was a way I could buy a single Thunder to replace one I lost and they said they don't sell them that way so they'll just send me one. Not replacing a broken or defective truck, just helping me out because I'm fucking dumb. That's so cool that not only do they make some of the best products on the market (hands down the best wheels) but they also care enough about skating that they're willing to do whatever it takes to get some random dipshit rolling again. I'm not going to claim I'll settle down and only ride Thunder/Venture from now on but that definitely inspired some newfound brand loyalty in me.
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The d2 might be the right destructos with the urethane formula they have

The shape of the bushing for the d2 is probably best at that duro too

All I can say is my customer service experience with destructo wasn’t as well as deluxe, I gotta fill out a form and send my defective truck back paying for the shipping my self after buying some defective truck just to see if they’re gonna send me a new truck back to replace the bad one

And that’s if they deem it by guideline of warranty exchanges
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whenyousleep on November 12, 2019, 01:44:36 PM
any bushing recommendations for venture lows? looking for something to keep geometry
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 12, 2019, 02:07:49 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 12, 2019, 12:43:01 AM
Been thinking of trying a pair for a smaller, tech setup since I find myself popping very hard and always rely on explosive pop. I get nice and high on the ledge, but the ledge is short (shin high) and my setup feels (as Ben Degros puts it) an all or nothing board. Thinking of either 5.0 or 5.2 Venture Low.

I've tried mellower boards like Habitat but I flip tricks feel bloody impossible on them. Hopefully my next Cliche board gives me that lighter pop I'm looking for.

Always worth a shot. I haven't tried Venture lows in a very long while, but I know what you mean about searching for that perfect feeling of light pop. I have to assume it's different for everyone, I had the best feeling pop with Thunders on a Quasi, but at the sacrifice of stability and feeling comfortable on the board. Wasn't worth the trade off and I re-settled back onto Indy's. Hope you find that magic combo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on November 12, 2019, 04:08:09 PM
Quote from: rob on November 12, 2019, 12:13:51 PM
Quote from: halfsharkalligatorhalfman on November 11, 2019, 12:48:23 PM
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I'm currently on the Destructo 5.75 D1 Team Lite (I skate an 8.25).

I've never seen more king pin clearance on a truck in my life.

This is my first set outside of an Independent in about 15 years and I have to say I'm pretty blown away. I skate looser trucks so I had to swap the bushings out to something a little softer but that's pretty much any truck I feel like these days.

It has a magnesium baseplate and a hollow kingpin and feels super light but also sturdy unlike other gimmicky lightweight trucks like tensor mags or something that feel like a toys r us truck.

I know they're kind of the underdog in the indy/thunder dominated truck world but I'll be honest the truck is amazing and their logo isn't identified with bigoted hate groups so that's a plus as well.

the D1 does sit a little higher than the D2 but the D2 doesn't have the kingpin clearance that the D1 does.

Also I've emailed back and forth with them and they're really responsive and even hooked it up with a discount code.

Ordered them online and to my surprise had a bunch of stickers and a free t-shirt show up with the trucks.

Might be a customer for life at this point.

They have my vote.





Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on November 09, 2019, 08:43:11 PM
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Quote from: rob on November 08, 2019, 10:48:51 PM
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Hello

I’m back from the Bmx life, sorry guys.

Anyways destructos I wouldn’t waste time with unless your really down to try

They didn’t have any special turn feel or pop feel

They just felt like your run of the mill mid 2000’s truck that had stiff as butts bushings that need to be broken in to finally turn but it’s gonna take a lot

I rode them stock without the small top washer and they turned ok, like if you put medium hard cylinder bushing in indys

Pop was nothing to write home about, just popped okay. Not awkward like old tensor 10’s or a venture low, sorta like a thunder pop mixed with Indy

But not good, just okay.

Overall my run with the destructo d1 mid/standard id say they were not worth it if you compare them to ace, Indy, thunder and even venture high. Heck even theeves are better I would say

Ill throw in another heck, royals are probably at the same level or better

I might be hating but yah, not worth the price. If they were like $10 cheaper than the big 3 then maybe they’re worth it

If they changed their bushing formula and aluminum grade they could have a decent truck, keep the signature geo because it’s who they are but for now until they make some revisions idk how certain riders are doing destructo
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Thanks for the feedback dude, welcome back to having balls. Have you tried the D2? I was looking at the D2 mid lite, D1 is higher like Indy which is cool but when I want to ride a high truck I have an assortment of Indys and Ventures for that. The D2 is closer to the Thunder/Fury height which seems to be my ideal pop height. As for bushings you of all people should know I have an extensive selection so if the stock ones suck I'm sure I can find something that works. I am a little upset that they don't do the "bones licensed" bushings anymore because I always wanted a black bones medium with a red cap purely for aesthetic purposes. I got a single set of destructo bushings randomly thrown in on an ebay order a while back they seemed fine. A little hard, but that's fine with me.

And whoever commented on DLX customer support - they're fucking amazing. Seriously incredible. I emailed them last week to ask if there was a way I could buy a single Thunder to replace one I lost and they said they don't sell them that way so they'll just send me one. Not replacing a broken or defective truck, just helping me out because I'm fucking dumb. That's so cool that not only do they make some of the best products on the market (hands down the best wheels) but they also care enough about skating that they're willing to do whatever it takes to get some random dipshit rolling again. I'm not going to claim I'll settle down and only ride Thunder/Venture from now on but that definitely inspired some newfound brand loyalty in me.
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The d2 might be the right destructos with the urethane formula they have

The shape of the bushing for the d2 is probably best at that duro too

All I can say is my customer service experience with destructo wasn’t as well as deluxe, I gotta fill out a form and send my defective truck back paying for the shipping my self after buying some defective truck just to see if they’re gonna send me a new truck back to replace the bad one

And that’s if they deem it by guideline of warranty exchanges

Thanks for all the feedback guys. I think I'm going to go with the D2 just based on them seeming to be slightly closer to Thunders in height/bushing shape (and probably in handling too I assume). They've got a 30% off Veterans day discount which I think is pretty rad since I'm a vet, it was still working as of today but I'm not going to order them until tomorrow at the earliest. From the sounds of things, even if it does stop working I could probably email them and get them to honor it anyways if I wanted to.

As for the returns - I know it's probably tough to swallow as a consumer but thats kind of the reality of supporting a smaller company. They probably just don't have the budget or margins to be as generous as deluxe is - I mean they've got pretty much the undisputed king of wheel brands, two of the top 3 truck brands, and 3 board companies that you can find in damn near every shop so they've got far more margin for error financially (I'd love to see what their actual market share is vs NHS). It sucks paying for return shipping and them having the power to just say "no" but I think its important to remember that that's largely the rule and DLX is the exception.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on November 12, 2019, 04:49:15 PM
Quote from: whenyousleep on November 12, 2019, 01:44:36 PM
any bushing recommendations for venture lows? looking for something to keep geometry

You can maintain the geometry with bones bushings if you use the stock top washer as the bottom washer and use the supplied bones bushings washer on top.

Supercush bushings fit perfectly with the stock washers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 12, 2019, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: palelight on November 12, 2019, 02:07:49 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 12, 2019, 12:43:01 AM
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Been thinking of trying a pair for a smaller, tech setup since I find myself popping very hard and always rely on explosive pop. I get nice and high on the ledge, but the ledge is short (shin high) and my setup feels (as Ben Degros puts it) an all or nothing board. Thinking of either 5.0 or 5.2 Venture Low.

I've tried mellower boards like Habitat but I flip tricks feel bloody impossible on them. Hopefully my next Cliche board gives me that lighter pop I'm looking for.
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Always worth a shot. I haven't tried Venture lows in a very long while, but I know what you mean about searching for that perfect feeling of light pop. I have to assume it's different for everyone, I had the best feeling pop with Thunders on a Quasi, but at the sacrifice of stability and feeling comfortable on the board. Wasn't worth the trade off and I re-settled back onto Indy's. Hope you find that magic combo.

Aren't we all brother, aren't we all. This forum and Ben Degros' channel fuel the gear madness for sure.

I'll see if I come across a pair of Venture 5.2 on sale or 2nd hand online. Should be fine messing around with the big 3 brands, don't skate enough for me to want to take a risk with smaller brands (Tensor, Theeve, Krux).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 12, 2019, 07:55:38 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on November 12, 2019, 04:08:09 PM
Quote from: rob on November 12, 2019, 12:13:51 PM
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Quote from: halfsharkalligatorhalfman on November 11, 2019, 12:48:23 PM
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I'm currently on the Destructo 5.75 D1 Team Lite (I skate an 8.25).

I've never seen more king pin clearance on a truck in my life.

This is my first set outside of an Independent in about 15 years and I have to say I'm pretty blown away. I skate looser trucks so I had to swap the bushings out to something a little softer but that's pretty much any truck I feel like these days.

It has a magnesium baseplate and a hollow kingpin and feels super light but also sturdy unlike other gimmicky lightweight trucks like tensor mags or something that feel like a toys r us truck.

I know they're kind of the underdog in the indy/thunder dominated truck world but I'll be honest the truck is amazing and their logo isn't identified with bigoted hate groups so that's a plus as well.

the D1 does sit a little higher than the D2 but the D2 doesn't have the kingpin clearance that the D1 does.

Also I've emailed back and forth with them and they're really responsive and even hooked it up with a discount code.

Ordered them online and to my surprise had a bunch of stickers and a free t-shirt show up with the trucks.

Might be a customer for life at this point.

They have my vote.





Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on November 09, 2019, 08:43:11 PM
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Quote from: rob on November 08, 2019, 10:48:51 PM
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Hello

I’m back from the Bmx life, sorry guys.

Anyways destructos I wouldn’t waste time with unless your really down to try

They didn’t have any special turn feel or pop feel

They just felt like your run of the mill mid 2000’s truck that had stiff as butts bushings that need to be broken in to finally turn but it’s gonna take a lot

I rode them stock without the small top washer and they turned ok, like if you put medium hard cylinder bushing in indys

Pop was nothing to write home about, just popped okay. Not awkward like old tensor 10’s or a venture low, sorta like a thunder pop mixed with Indy

But not good, just okay.

Overall my run with the destructo d1 mid/standard id say they were not worth it if you compare them to ace, Indy, thunder and even venture high. Heck even theeves are better I would say

Ill throw in another heck, royals are probably at the same level or better

I might be hating but yah, not worth the price. If they were like $10 cheaper than the big 3 then maybe they’re worth it

If they changed their bushing formula and aluminum grade they could have a decent truck, keep the signature geo because it’s who they are but for now until they make some revisions idk how certain riders are doing destructo
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Thanks for the feedback dude, welcome back to having balls. Have you tried the D2? I was looking at the D2 mid lite, D1 is higher like Indy which is cool but when I want to ride a high truck I have an assortment of Indys and Ventures for that. The D2 is closer to the Thunder/Fury height which seems to be my ideal pop height. As for bushings you of all people should know I have an extensive selection so if the stock ones suck I'm sure I can find something that works. I am a little upset that they don't do the "bones licensed" bushings anymore because I always wanted a black bones medium with a red cap purely for aesthetic purposes. I got a single set of destructo bushings randomly thrown in on an ebay order a while back they seemed fine. A little hard, but that's fine with me.

And whoever commented on DLX customer support - they're fucking amazing. Seriously incredible. I emailed them last week to ask if there was a way I could buy a single Thunder to replace one I lost and they said they don't sell them that way so they'll just send me one. Not replacing a broken or defective truck, just helping me out because I'm fucking dumb. That's so cool that not only do they make some of the best products on the market (hands down the best wheels) but they also care enough about skating that they're willing to do whatever it takes to get some random dipshit rolling again. I'm not going to claim I'll settle down and only ride Thunder/Venture from now on but that definitely inspired some newfound brand loyalty in me.
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The d2 might be the right destructos with the urethane formula they have

The shape of the bushing for the d2 is probably best at that duro too

All I can say is my customer service experience with destructo wasn’t as well as deluxe, I gotta fill out a form and send my defective truck back paying for the shipping my self after buying some defective truck just to see if they’re gonna send me a new truck back to replace the bad one

And that’s if they deem it by guideline of warranty exchanges
[close]

Thanks for all the feedback guys. I think I'm going to go with the D2 just based on them seeming to be slightly closer to Thunders in height/bushing shape (and probably in handling too I assume). They've got a 30% off Veterans day discount which I think is pretty rad since I'm a vet, it was still working as of today but I'm not going to order them until tomorrow at the earliest. From the sounds of things, even if it does stop working I could probably email them and get them to honor it anyways if I wanted to.

As for the returns - I know it's probably tough to swallow as a consumer but thats kind of the reality of supporting a smaller company. They probably just don't have the budget or margins to be as generous as deluxe is - I mean they've got pretty much the undisputed king of wheel brands, two of the top 3 truck brands, and 3 board companies that you can find in damn near every shop so they've got far more margin for error financially (I'd love to see what their actual market share is vs NHS). It sucks paying for return shipping and them having the power to just say "no" but I think its important to remember that that's largely the rule and DLX is the exception.

True deluxe has spoiled me, and skate one

Anytime I had any problems
Bam within 3 days I’m hooked up

Love it though

Idk I’m just like, could they have just sent me a darn baseplate with a solid kingpin and I’ll just use my hangar and bushings and swap it on

How much does a baseplate and kingpin cost?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Woos on November 12, 2019, 08:14:20 PM
Quote from: palelight on November 12, 2019, 02:07:49 PM
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Been thinking of trying a pair for a smaller, tech setup since I find myself popping very hard and always rely on explosive pop. I get nice and high on the ledge, but the ledge is short (shin high) and my setup feels (as Ben Degros puts it) an all or nothing board. Thinking of either 5.0 or 5.2 Venture Low.

I've tried mellower boards like Habitat but I flip tricks feel bloody impossible on them. Hopefully my next Cliche board gives me that lighter pop I'm looking for.
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Always worth a shot. I haven't tried Venture lows in a very long while, but I know what you mean about searching for that perfect feeling of light pop. I have to assume it's different for everyone, I had the best feeling pop with Thunders on a Quasi, but at the sacrifice of stability and feeling comfortable on the board. Wasn't worth the trade off and I re-settled back onto Indy's. Hope you find that magic combo.

Agreed about the Quasi with Thunders.  Their 8 inch shape with Thunders is super explosive.  What's weird is while the tail is all or nothing, off the nose is insanely consistent and easy to pop yet it still delivers an insane amount of force.  I wonder what it would feel like to skate a twin nose version of that board.  Manuals would be a bitch but I bet ever flip tricks would be amazing unless it requires a lot of scoop like say a tre-flip.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 12, 2019, 08:43:17 PM
Quote from: Woos on November 12, 2019, 08:14:20 PM
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Been thinking of trying a pair for a smaller, tech setup since I find myself popping very hard and always rely on explosive pop. I get nice and high on the ledge, but the ledge is short (shin high) and my setup feels (as Ben Degros puts it) an all or nothing board. Thinking of either 5.0 or 5.2 Venture Low.

I've tried mellower boards like Habitat but I flip tricks feel bloody impossible on them. Hopefully my next Cliche board gives me that lighter pop I'm looking for.
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Always worth a shot. I haven't tried Venture lows in a very long while, but I know what you mean about searching for that perfect feeling of light pop. I have to assume it's different for everyone, I had the best feeling pop with Thunders on a Quasi, but at the sacrifice of stability and feeling comfortable on the board. Wasn't worth the trade off and I re-settled back onto Indy's. Hope you find that magic combo.
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Agreed about the Quasi with Thunders.  Their 8 inch shape with Thunders is super explosive.  What's weird is while the tail is all or nothing, off the nose is insanely consistent and easy to pop yet it still delivers an insane amount of force.  I wonder what it would feel like to skate a twin nose version of that board.  Manuals would be a bitch but I bet ever flip tricks would be amazing unless it requires a lot of scoop like say a tre-flip.

Now I'm intrigued to try their boards. I'm probably in the minority but I would like a twin nose board. When I try kickflips off my tail they are mob or rocket, off the nose they are poppy, and flat. Probably because I find I'm a very "hard" riding style, like I pop way harder than I should for my tricks.

I always thought scooping with a bigger surface (nose) makes 360 flips easier?

Edit: just checked the dimensions of the Quasi board on tactics and they look really long (32.375), way longer than the Real board (31.91) I'm riding.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 13, 2019, 05:19:29 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 12, 2019, 08:43:17 PM
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Been thinking of trying a pair for a smaller, tech setup since I find myself popping very hard and always rely on explosive pop. I get nice and high on the ledge, but the ledge is short (shin high) and my setup feels (as Ben Degros puts it) an all or nothing board. Thinking of either 5.0 or 5.2 Venture Low.

I've tried mellower boards like Habitat but I flip tricks feel bloody impossible on them. Hopefully my next Cliche board gives me that lighter pop I'm looking for.
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Always worth a shot. I haven't tried Venture lows in a very long while, but I know what you mean about searching for that perfect feeling of light pop. I have to assume it's different for everyone, I had the best feeling pop with Thunders on a Quasi, but at the sacrifice of stability and feeling comfortable on the board. Wasn't worth the trade off and I re-settled back onto Indy's. Hope you find that magic combo.
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Agreed about the Quasi with Thunders.  Their 8 inch shape with Thunders is super explosive.  What's weird is while the tail is all or nothing, off the nose is insanely consistent and easy to pop yet it still delivers an insane amount of force.  I wonder what it would feel like to skate a twin nose version of that board.  Manuals would be a bitch but I bet ever flip tricks would be amazing unless it requires a lot of scoop like say a tre-flip.
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Now I'm intrigued to try their boards. I'm probably in the minority but I would like a twin nose board. When I try kickflips off my tail they are mob or rocket, off the nose they are poppy, and flat. Probably because I find I'm a very "hard" riding style, like I pop way harder than I should for my tricks.

I always thought scooping with a bigger surface (nose) makes 360 flips easier?

Edit: just checked the dimensions of the Quasi board on tactics and they look really long (32.375), way longer than the Real board (31.91) I'm riding.

Take that length with a grain of salt. Boards at PS tend to get measured with the concave/kicks as opposed to across it like Generator does. A couple years ago I had a Quasi JJ that was listed as 8.6"x33" and it measured pretty much identical to a (Generator) AWS 8.5"x32.25".
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 13, 2019, 08:06:16 AM
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Been thinking of trying a pair for a smaller, tech setup since I find myself popping very hard and always rely on explosive pop. I get nice and high on the ledge, but the ledge is short (shin high) and my setup feels (as Ben Degros puts it) an all or nothing board. Thinking of either 5.0 or 5.2 Venture Low.

I've tried mellower boards like Habitat but I flip tricks feel bloody impossible on them. Hopefully my next Cliche board gives me that lighter pop I'm looking for.
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Always worth a shot. I haven't tried Venture lows in a very long while, but I know what you mean about searching for that perfect feeling of light pop. I have to assume it's different for everyone, I had the best feeling pop with Thunders on a Quasi, but at the sacrifice of stability and feeling comfortable on the board. Wasn't worth the trade off and I re-settled back onto Indy's. Hope you find that magic combo.
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Agreed about the Quasi with Thunders.  Their 8 inch shape with Thunders is super explosive.  What's weird is while the tail is all or nothing, off the nose is insanely consistent and easy to pop yet it still delivers an insane amount of force.  I wonder what it would feel like to skate a twin nose version of that board.  Manuals would be a bitch but I bet ever flip tricks would be amazing unless it requires a lot of scoop like say a tre-flip.
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Now I'm intrigued to try their boards. I'm probably in the minority but I would like a twin nose board. When I try kickflips off my tail they are mob or rocket, off the nose they are poppy, and flat. Probably because I find I'm a very "hard" riding style, like I pop way harder than I should for my tricks.

I always thought scooping with a bigger surface (nose) makes 360 flips easier?

Edit: just checked the dimensions of the Quasi board on tactics and they look really long (32.375), way longer than the Real board (31.91) I'm riding.
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Take that length with a grain of salt. Boards at PS tend to get measured with the concave/kicks as opposed to across it like Generator does. A couple years ago I had a Quasi JJ that was listed as 8.6"x33" and it measured pretty much identical to a (Generator) AWS 8.5"x32.25".

Perfect time to break out the Indy's.

Wouldnt the increased length on an 8" board plus the 14.25 WB give a really short nose and tail?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 13, 2019, 09:07:46 AM
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Been thinking of trying a pair for a smaller, tech setup since I find myself popping very hard and always rely on explosive pop. I get nice and high on the ledge, but the ledge is short (shin high) and my setup feels (as Ben Degros puts it) an all or nothing board. Thinking of either 5.0 or 5.2 Venture Low.

I've tried mellower boards like Habitat but I flip tricks feel bloody impossible on them. Hopefully my next Cliche board gives me that lighter pop I'm looking for.
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Always worth a shot. I haven't tried Venture lows in a very long while, but I know what you mean about searching for that perfect feeling of light pop. I have to assume it's different for everyone, I had the best feeling pop with Thunders on a Quasi, but at the sacrifice of stability and feeling comfortable on the board. Wasn't worth the trade off and I re-settled back onto Indy's. Hope you find that magic combo.
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Agreed about the Quasi with Thunders.  Their 8 inch shape with Thunders is super explosive.  What's weird is while the tail is all or nothing, off the nose is insanely consistent and easy to pop yet it still delivers an insane amount of force.  I wonder what it would feel like to skate a twin nose version of that board.  Manuals would be a bitch but I bet ever flip tricks would be amazing unless it requires a lot of scoop like say a tre-flip.
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Now I'm intrigued to try their boards. I'm probably in the minority but I would like a twin nose board. When I try kickflips off my tail they are mob or rocket, off the nose they are poppy, and flat. Probably because I find I'm a very "hard" riding style, like I pop way harder than I should for my tricks.

I always thought scooping with a bigger surface (nose) makes 360 flips easier?

Edit: just checked the dimensions of the Quasi board on tactics and they look really long (32.375), way longer than the Real board (31.91) I'm riding.
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Take that length with a grain of salt. Boards at PS tend to get measured with the concave/kicks as opposed to across it like Generator does. A couple years ago I had a Quasi JJ that was listed as 8.6"x33" and it measured pretty much identical to a (Generator) AWS 8.5"x32.25".
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Perfect time to break out the Indy's.

Wouldnt the increased length on an 8" board plus the 14.25 WB give a really short nose and tail?

The 8" Quasi that was posted in the setup thread looks like it has a pretty generous nose and tail, both of them also looking kind of flat and thus making the 32.25" (measured with the kicks, PS style) more accurate than on something with steeper kicks. Does that make sense? Sorry if I am missing the point.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 13, 2019, 09:53:23 AM
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Been liking my Ventures again after getting back on the 5.6(hit axle on the front truck in about month) then went back into an old set of 5.8's.

Can anyone tell me me how much more it stretches the wheelbase? same goes with Ace & Indy. How much more does it increase or decrease it betweeen those 3 truck brands.
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It stretches the furthest of all the big brands (past Thunder).

ACE/Theeve<Indy<Thunder<Venture
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Gonna shamelessly link to my own post, you can see for yourself the actual wheelbase measurements and the +/- for whatever deck wheelbase you're running.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

As you should!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 13, 2019, 05:40:39 PM
Quote from: Xen on November 13, 2019, 09:53:23 AM
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Been liking my Ventures again after getting back on the 5.6(hit axle on the front truck in about month) then went back into an old set of 5.8's.

Can anyone tell me me how much more it stretches the wheelbase? same goes with Ace & Indy. How much more does it increase or decrease it betweeen those 3 truck brands.
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It stretches the furthest of all the big brands (past Thunder).

ACE/Theeve<Indy<Thunder<Venture
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Gonna shamelessly link to my own post, you can see for yourself the actual wheelbase measurements and the +/- for whatever deck wheelbase you're running.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039
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As you should!

Are the Ventures in the pic Venture Lows?

I recall the order of WB lengthening as:
Indy - Venture High - Thunder - Venture Low
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 13, 2019, 05:57:51 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 13, 2019, 05:40:39 PM

Are the Ventures in the pic Venture Lows?

I recall the order of WB lengthening as:
Indy - Venture High - Thunder - Venture Low

In my set of pics it's Venture 5.8 Highs w/ forged baseplates. I don't know where the Venture lows sit on the overall wheelbase spectrum. Sorry about that one. I do know (I'll find a pic/link) that Venture 5.8 cast have a shorter wheelbase than 5.8 forged. The general guide for short to long wb's: Theeve/Ace/Older stage Indy's > Modern Indy's > Thunder > Venture.

Edit: Here's some pics that Fifty8mm took of his cast vs. forged Venture high plates,
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3046303#msg3046303
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ohthembones on November 14, 2019, 02:18:10 PM
If you're a Riptide Pivot User, the new ones have a small air hole in them so they slide right in now. I just hope this doesn't lead to them falling apart faster, they usually last me through two sets of trucks which is how I justify the cost.

(https://i.imgur.com/l8xbHgB.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 14, 2019, 03:30:25 PM
Quote from: ohthembones on November 14, 2019, 02:18:10 PM
If you're a Riptide Pivot User, the new ones have a small air hole in them so they slide right in now. I just hope this doesn't lead to them falling apart faster, they usually last me through two sets of trucks which is how I justify the cost.

(https://i.imgur.com/l8xbHgB.jpg)

Didn’t even think about throwing a set of riptides in my thunders. Let us know how you like it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ohthembones on November 14, 2019, 03:50:50 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on November 14, 2019, 03:30:25 PM
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If you're a Riptide Pivot User, the new ones have a small air hole in them so they slide right in now. I just hope this doesn't lead to them falling apart faster, they usually last me through two sets of trucks which is how I justify the cost.

(https://i.imgur.com/l8xbHgB.jpg)
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Didn’t even think about throwing a set of riptides in my thunders. Let us know how you like it

I've been using them in Thunders for a few years. They work great! Keep them quiet and turning smoothly. It's hard to describe in words what they do to the turn, you just have to experience it. Worth it for the quieting factor alone though. I loathed putting wax or speed cream in my pivots which just made a mess or attracted dirt into the cup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 14, 2019, 04:02:10 PM
Quote from: ohthembones on November 14, 2019, 03:50:50 PM
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If you're a Riptide Pivot User, the new ones have a small air hole in them so they slide right in now. I just hope this doesn't lead to them falling apart faster, they usually last me through two sets of trucks which is how I justify the cost.

(https://i.imgur.com/l8xbHgB.jpg)
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Didn’t even think about throwing a set of riptides in my thunders. Let us know how you like it
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I've been using them in Thunders for a few years. They work great! Keep them quiet and turning smoothly. It's hard to describe in words what they do to the turn, you just have to experience it. Worth it for the quieting factor alone though. I loathed putting wax or speed cream in my pivots which just made a mess or attracted dirt into the cup.

Yeah for sure, I might just put my Indy riptides in my thunders. I remember the Indy being pretty universal
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ohthembones on November 14, 2019, 04:23:57 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on November 14, 2019, 04:02:10 PM
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If you're a Riptide Pivot User, the new ones have a small air hole in them so they slide right in now. I just hope this doesn't lead to them falling apart faster, they usually last me through two sets of trucks which is how I justify the cost.

(https://i.imgur.com/l8xbHgB.jpg)
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Didn’t even think about throwing a set of riptides in my thunders. Let us know how you like it
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I've been using them in Thunders for a few years. They work great! Keep them quiet and turning smoothly. It's hard to describe in words what they do to the turn, you just have to experience it. Worth it for the quieting factor alone though. I loathed putting wax or speed cream in my pivots which just made a mess or attracted dirt into the cup.
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Yeah for sure, I might just put my Indy riptides in my thunders. I remember the Indy being pretty universal

I buy the Indy "Cracked Ice" ones for my Thunders, fit exactly the same as the green ones marked for Thunders. I don't see any difference in them at all when holding them side by side.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 14, 2019, 04:42:10 PM
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If you're a Riptide Pivot User, the new ones have a small air hole in them so they slide right in now. I just hope this doesn't lead to them falling apart faster, they usually last me through two sets of trucks which is how I justify the cost.

(https://i.imgur.com/l8xbHgB.jpg)
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Didn’t even think about throwing a set of riptides in my thunders. Let us know how you like it
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I've been using them in Thunders for a few years. They work great! Keep them quiet and turning smoothly. It's hard to describe in words what they do to the turn, you just have to experience it. Worth it for the quieting factor alone though. I loathed putting wax or speed cream in my pivots which just made a mess or attracted dirt into the cup.
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Yeah for sure, I might just put my Indy riptides in my thunders. I remember the Indy being pretty universal
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I buy the Indy "Cracked Ice" ones for my Thunders, fit exactly the same as the green ones marked for Thunders. I don't see any difference in them at all when holding them side by side.
Perfect, those are the ones I have
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on November 14, 2019, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: ohthembones on November 14, 2019, 02:18:10 PM
If you're a Riptide Pivot User, the new ones have a small air hole in them so they slide right in now. I just hope this doesn't lead to them falling apart faster, they usually last me through two sets of trucks which is how I justify the cost.

(https://i.imgur.com/l8xbHgB.jpg)

Weird, my cracked ice indys didn't fit very well in my thunders so I got the thunder specific ones and they were perfect
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on November 14, 2019, 07:37:41 PM
Ace->Indy->Thunder->Venture->Venture forged plates

I measured them all on the same deck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ohthembones on November 14, 2019, 08:03:07 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on November 14, 2019, 07:28:38 PM
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If you're a Riptide Pivot User, the new ones have a small air hole in them so they slide right in now. I just hope this doesn't lead to them falling apart faster, they usually last me through two sets of trucks which is how I justify the cost.

(https://i.imgur.com/l8xbHgB.jpg)
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Weird, my cracked ice indys didn't fit very well in my thunders so I got the thunder specific ones and they were perfect

Really? I’ve never had an issue other than a bit of air getting trapped behind them when initially installing which the small hole now alleviates. Tracey and Brad at Riptide have told me the non-longboard truck pivots are all nearly identical and they just market them for each truck in case that truck makes drastic design changes and they need to modify the mold for that specific truck. These are from the latest batch and I just stuck them in some Indy Forged and Venture Cast and they fit in all three easily. Hope your next set is better! 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 14, 2019, 08:11:46 PM
Are the riptide ones for thunders or generic?  The pivot on a thunder is kinda narrow.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ohthembones on November 14, 2019, 08:26:28 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on November 14, 2019, 08:11:46 PM
Are the riptide ones for thunders or generic?  The pivot on a thunder is kinda narrow.

The Cracked Ice Blue is marketed for Indy but it’s the same as the green ones I have labeled for Thunder and it’s the same size as the stock pivots I pulled from the Thunder truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on November 14, 2019, 08:31:24 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on November 14, 2019, 07:37:41 PM
Ace->Indy->Thunder->Venture->Venture forged plates

I measured them all on the same deck.
that's odd. how big is the difference?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on November 14, 2019, 08:45:42 PM
Quote from: anon on November 14, 2019, 08:31:24 PM
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Ace->Indy->Thunder->Venture->Venture forged plates

I measured them all on the same deck.
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that's odd. how big is the difference?

Not super significant. Maybe 2-3mm? Make's a noticeable different, especially with the difference in height as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 14, 2019, 10:26:12 PM
Quote from: anon on November 14, 2019, 08:31:24 PM
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Ace->Indy->Thunder->Venture->Venture forged plates

I measured them all on the same deck.
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that's odd. how big is the difference?

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3046303#msg3046303
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 15, 2019, 08:14:34 AM
Christ you guys twisted my arm, I'm getting my 2nd pair of Thunder 147 Team Lights. Pulled an old Traffic board from storage (7.75 x 31.3 x 14WB) and hopefully it pairs nicely with the Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on November 15, 2019, 09:10:52 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 15, 2019, 08:14:34 AM
Christ you guys twisted my arm, I'm getting my 2nd pair of Thunder 147 Team Lights. Pulled an old Traffic board from storage (7.75 x 31.3 x 14WB) and hopefully it pairs nicely with the Thunders.
if you're concerned about the width alone, it's fine. i skate 8" trucks with 7.75s. don't know about the pop and "manual point" that mr. degros always talks about. of course that also depends on the properties of the deck, which is too much to worry about
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CBP on November 15, 2019, 06:33:17 PM
Anybody thrown a downlow kingpin on their thunders?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 15, 2019, 06:44:35 PM
Quote from: CBP on November 15, 2019, 06:33:17 PM
Anybody thrown a downlow kingpin on their thunders?

Yes, as have multiple people [in this thread].

Works best with team plates and some JB Weld Steel Stick/similar putty.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CBP on November 15, 2019, 06:51:12 PM
Gonna check it out thanks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 15, 2019, 07:45:10 PM
Quote from: CBP on November 15, 2019, 06:51:12 PM
Gonna check it out thanks.

Note you can use forged plates but the kingpin nut (when reversed) will end up digging into the deck just a bit when you tighten the trucks down, but it never proved to be an issue.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 15, 2019, 11:21:27 PM
Aren't the kingpins hard to get out? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 16, 2019, 12:21:51 AM
How do you remove a stripped axle nut that just spins and won’t loosen out?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 16, 2019, 12:49:01 AM
Quote from: rob on November 16, 2019, 12:21:51 AM
How do you remove a stripped axle nut that just spins and won’t loosen out?

Before recommending anything too destructive, if the wheel is still on the axle, grab it and pull it towards you with a good amount of force while trying to loosen the nut (vise grips would come in handy in this scenario).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on November 16, 2019, 03:48:18 AM
Quote from: rob on November 16, 2019, 12:21:51 AM
How do you remove a stripped axle nut that just spins and won’t loosen out?

First thing I'd try is taking a pair of vice grips and pulling on the nut while you spin it like palelight suggested.

If you have a dremel put on a cutting wheel, go most of the way through, then use a flathead screwdriver to break the last little bit so you won't run the risk of cutting all the way through the nut and into the axle. You could also use a hacksaw if you don't have a dremel. I'd avoid using a Sawzall because they tend to be difficult to control, especially with harder metals.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 16, 2019, 11:08:28 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on November 15, 2019, 11:21:27 PM
Aren't the kingpins hard to get out?

In forged plates? They can be but here is my foolproof method*:

*none of that oven bullshit

If you have access to a vice you can sometimes press
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on November 16, 2019, 03:03:36 PM
Quote from: Xen on November 16, 2019, 11:08:28 AM
If you have access to a vice you can sometimes press
i cracked a baseplate doing that. you'd need an apparatus as such
(http://www.peterverdone.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_8765.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 16, 2019, 03:29:27 PM
Quote from: anon on November 16, 2019, 03:03:36 PM
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If you have access to a vice you can sometimes press
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i cracked a baseplate doing that. you'd need an apparatus as such

This. Definitely cracked a baseplate, more or less in half, trying it with a vice. I even made a crude attempt to offset the angle to account for the kingpin, nope. I thought about machining a seating block like in the pic, when I still had access to a milling machine, but didn't think the juice was worth the squeeze. I'm sure forged plates would tough it out a bit more... maybe.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 16, 2019, 05:37:13 PM
I've only used a vice once (cast plates) and was successful, perhaps I just got lucky.

Parking block and a hammer!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Yesterdays-pop on November 16, 2019, 05:38:39 PM
Quote from: anon on November 16, 2019, 03:03:36 PM
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If you have access to a vice you can sometimes press
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i cracked a baseplate doing that. you'd need an apparatus as such
(http://www.peterverdone.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_8765.jpg)

I make something very similar to this anytime I need to change a kingpin.
Sometimes I make them out of scrap wood but lately I’ve been using cardboard, lots of layers of cardboard
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 16, 2019, 05:48:25 PM
I've done fine with cast but forged I always thought it was extremely difficult. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 16, 2019, 09:11:53 PM
Hammering out a kingpin from a cast plate is so easy. Just find a sidewalk crack, or go in the grass. Use your foot with your shoe on, pressing down on the pivot cup side to hold it in place. Then whack the kingpin accurately like 2-3 times decently hard and it comes right out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 16, 2019, 11:17:25 PM
What wheelbase should I be looking at to match a pair of Thunder 147 and an 8" board.

I setup a 7.75 x 31.3 x 14 board and pair it with my Thunder 147 and the feeling was just off. I was jumping way higher than the board and struggled to get pop from my board.

I'm contemplating trying a pair of Indy 139 Stage 10 or risers with the Thunder 147.

Ideally I'm looking for a lower setup, at least 8" in width.

Guess what I'm asking is whether there is an ideal axle to axle wheelbase.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 16, 2019, 11:53:17 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 16, 2019, 11:17:25 PM
What wheelbase should I be looking at to match a pair of Thunder 147 and an 8" board.

I setup a 7.75 x 31.3 x 14 board and pair it with my Thunder 147 and the feeling was just off. I was jumping way higher than the board and struggled to get pop from my board.

I'm contemplating trying a pair of Indy 139 Stage 10 or risers with the Thunder 147.

Ideally I'm looking for a lower setup, at least 8" in width.

Guess what I'm asking is whether there is an ideal axle to axle wheelbase.

If you have a standard wheelbase you're comfortable with, I'd try and match that with whatever setup you go with. But it's never cut and paste unfortunately. i.e if you usually ride Indy's on a 14.25" wheelbase, Thunders on a 14.125" wheelbase wont feel exactly the same, even if the axles on both of those setups would more or less line up. The pop and balance point are going to be different. As for an ideal, there's charts out there to match to your height (although I think that's overblown personally, other people swear by it).

Indy started making lows again, no? Might just be 129's though.   
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 17, 2019, 12:07:30 AM
Quote from: palelight on November 16, 2019, 11:53:17 PM
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What wheelbase should I be looking at to match a pair of Thunder 147 and an 8" board.

I setup a 7.75 x 31.3 x 14 board and pair it with my Thunder 147 and the feeling was just off. I was jumping way higher than the board and struggled to get pop from my board.

I'm contemplating trying a pair of Indy 139 Stage 10 or risers with the Thunder 147.

Ideally I'm looking for a lower setup, at least 8" in width.

Guess what I'm asking is whether there is an ideal axle to axle wheelbase.
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If you have a standard wheelbase you're comfortable with, I'd try and match that with whatever setup you go with. But it's never cut and paste unfortunately. i.e if you usually ride Indy's on a 14.25" wheelbase, Thunders on a 14.125" wheelbase wont feel exactly the same, even if the axles on both of those setups would more or less line up. The pop and balance point are going to be different. As for an ideal, there's charts out there to match to your height (although I think that's overblown personally, other people swear by it).

Indy started making lows again, no? Might just be 129's though.

Try my best not to feed my gear madness anymore than I already do!

Might try the Thunder 147 with some risers first before trying the 148 on them. Also contemplating how much truck height affect the pop feel. Lower definitely feel better on ledges and slides.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on November 17, 2019, 04:34:15 AM
Man, who do I have to have sex with around here to get you guys to realize!...

(https://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/t_in_content_image/vo0eqbudyerlykaazwsj.jpg)

https://islandwatersports.com/blog/skate-101-6-myths-about-your-skateboard-with-professor-schmitt/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on November 17, 2019, 08:46:28 AM
Quote from: franquietits on November 17, 2019, 04:34:15 AM
Man, who do I have to have sex with around here to get you guys to realize!...

(https://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/t_in_content_image/vo0eqbudyerlykaazwsj.jpg)

https://islandwatersports.com/blog/skate-101-6-myths-about-your-skateboard-with-professor-schmitt/

Yup, goes back to truck/deck combo, or Indy vs Thunder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgqZtaiI_X4
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 17, 2019, 11:00:50 PM
Riptides or ace/(khiro makes ace/theeves pivot cups right?)

I recently replaced my old thunder stock pivot cups with ace after market ones and damn!!

What an amazing upgrade

Still has the geometry and response/rebound of the thunder but now smoother and free

Not so stiff basically
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: halfsharkalligatorhalfman on November 18, 2019, 01:01:00 PM
https://destructotrucks.com/pages/customer-service (https://destructotrucks.com/pages/customer-service)

here's their size guide and height break down. The d2 height seems pretty perfect but the kingpin clearance on the d1 is what got me. Let me know what you think about your D2's though. Might want to try those too.



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I'm currently on the Destructo 5.75 D1 Team Lite (I skate an 8.25).

I've never seen more king pin clearance on a truck in my life.

This is my first set outside of an Independent in about 15 years and I have to say I'm pretty blown away. I skate looser trucks so I had to swap the bushings out to something a little softer but that's pretty much any truck I feel like these days.

It has a magnesium baseplate and a hollow kingpin and feels super light but also sturdy unlike other gimmicky lightweight trucks like tensor mags or something that feel like a toys r us truck.

I know they're kind of the underdog in the indy/thunder dominated truck world but I'll be honest the truck is amazing and their logo isn't identified with bigoted hate groups so that's a plus as well.

the D1 does sit a little higher than the D2 but the D2 doesn't have the kingpin clearance that the D1 does.

Also I've emailed back and forth with them and they're really responsive and even hooked it up with a discount code.

Ordered them online and to my surprise had a bunch of stickers and a free t-shirt show up with the trucks.

Might be a customer for life at this point.

They have my vote.





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Hello

I’m back from the Bmx life, sorry guys.

Anyways destructos I wouldn’t waste time with unless your really down to try

They didn’t have any special turn feel or pop feel

They just felt like your run of the mill mid 2000’s truck that had stiff as butts bushings that need to be broken in to finally turn but it’s gonna take a lot

I rode them stock without the small top washer and they turned ok, like if you put medium hard cylinder bushing in indys

Pop was nothing to write home about, just popped okay. Not awkward like old tensor 10’s or a venture low, sorta like a thunder pop mixed with Indy

But not good, just okay.

Overall my run with the destructo d1 mid/standard id say they were not worth it if you compare them to ace, Indy, thunder and even venture high. Heck even theeves are better I would say

Ill throw in another heck, royals are probably at the same level or better

I might be hating but yah, not worth the price. If they were like $10 cheaper than the big 3 then maybe they’re worth it

If they changed their bushing formula and aluminum grade they could have a decent truck, keep the signature geo because it’s who they are but for now until they make some revisions idk how certain riders are doing destructo
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Thanks for the feedback dude, welcome back to having balls. Have you tried the D2? I was looking at the D2 mid lite, D1 is higher like Indy which is cool but when I want to ride a high truck I have an assortment of Indys and Ventures for that. The D2 is closer to the Thunder/Fury height which seems to be my ideal pop height. As for bushings you of all people should know I have an extensive selection so if the stock ones suck I'm sure I can find something that works. I am a little upset that they don't do the "bones licensed" bushings anymore because I always wanted a black bones medium with a red cap purely for aesthetic purposes. I got a single set of destructo bushings randomly thrown in on an ebay order a while back they seemed fine. A little hard, but that's fine with me.

And whoever commented on DLX customer support - they're fucking amazing. Seriously incredible. I emailed them last week to ask if there was a way I could buy a single Thunder to replace one I lost and they said they don't sell them that way so they'll just send me one. Not replacing a broken or defective truck, just helping me out because I'm fucking dumb. That's so cool that not only do they make some of the best products on the market (hands down the best wheels) but they also care enough about skating that they're willing to do whatever it takes to get some random dipshit rolling again. I'm not going to claim I'll settle down and only ride Thunder/Venture from now on but that definitely inspired some newfound brand loyalty in me.
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The d2 might be the right destructos with the urethane formula they have

The shape of the bushing for the d2 is probably best at that duro too

All I can say is my customer service experience with destructo wasn’t as well as deluxe, I gotta fill out a form and send my defective truck back paying for the shipping my self after buying some defective truck just to see if they’re gonna send me a new truck back to replace the bad one

And that’s if they deem it by guideline of warranty exchanges
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Thanks for all the feedback guys. I think I'm going to go with the D2 just based on them seeming to be slightly closer to Thunders in height/bushing shape (and probably in handling too I assume). They've got a 30% off Veterans day discount which I think is pretty rad since I'm a vet, it was still working as of today but I'm not going to order them until tomorrow at the earliest. From the sounds of things, even if it does stop working I could probably email them and get them to honor it anyways if I wanted to.

As for the returns - I know it's probably tough to swallow as a consumer but thats kind of the reality of supporting a smaller company. They probably just don't have the budget or margins to be as generous as deluxe is - I mean they've got pretty much the undisputed king of wheel brands, two of the top 3 truck brands, and 3 board companies that you can find in damn near every shop so they've got far more margin for error financially (I'd love to see what their actual market share is vs NHS). It sucks paying for return shipping and them having the power to just say "no" but I think its important to remember that that's largely the rule and DLX is the exception.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: doomhand on November 18, 2019, 01:18:45 PM
I also posted this in the big boards thread - but figured I would try here as well - I hope that is not against the rules. 

I have one of the New Deal reissue Ed Templeton boards. The rear is about 8.25” from my measurements. I’m thinking of getting some Thunder 148’s. I already know the front is gonna magic carpet quite a bit. My question is if I want to run 58mm wheels. Should I get narrower trucks? Or will the 148’s be ok (for the rear without underhang)?

I also saw this deck with 8.5" trucks and what seemed rather big wheels and now I am even more confused.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on November 18, 2019, 03:36:39 PM
Quote from: doomhand on November 18, 2019, 01:18:45 PM
I also posted this in the big boards thread - but figured I would try here as well - I hope that is not against the rules. 

I have one of the New Deal reissue Ed Templeton boards. The rear is about 8.25” from my measurements. I’m thinking of getting some Thunder 148’s. I already know the front is gonna magic carpet quite a bit. My question is if I want to run 58mm wheels. Should I get narrower trucks? Or will the 148’s be ok (for the rear without underhang)?

I also saw this deck with 8.5" trucks and what seemed rather big wheels and now I am even more confused.
I would get 149, specially if you want to size up board size in the future.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 18, 2019, 09:09:56 PM
If you're gonna set it up to keep, 149. If you're gonna switch it up...148.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: curbslayer on November 19, 2019, 09:04:55 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4maC-RoNHV/
 
any one have any feed back about film trucks ? they look good quality to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on November 19, 2019, 09:49:00 AM
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any one have any feed back about film trucks ? they look good quality to me.
where can you find these in the U.S.?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on November 19, 2019, 10:32:24 AM
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any one have any feed back about film trucks ? they look good quality to me.
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where can you find these in the U.S.?
they look like royals but better built if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: curbslayer on November 19, 2019, 10:44:21 AM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/B4maC-RoNHV/
 
any one have any feed back about film trucks ? they look good quality to me.
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where can you find these in the U.S.?
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they look like royals but better built if that makes sense.
that is my exact first impression
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 19, 2019, 10:53:12 AM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/B4maC-RoNHV/
 
any one have any feed back about film trucks ? they look good quality to me.
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where can you find these in the U.S.?
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they look like royals but better built if that makes sense.
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that is my exact first impression

Would like to see more about those, like height and the effect on wheelbase and all that jazz
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on November 19, 2019, 11:29:08 AM
All I could really find: The Film Trucks feature double drilled baseplates so they work with old school decks, parking block shape baseplate, dual kingpin seat (you can use a spline or old school hex head kingpin in them) and a jaw system bushing that forces the trucks hanger to always stay centred.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mr. Stinky on November 19, 2019, 01:18:23 PM
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any one have any feed back about film trucks ? they look good quality to me.
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where can you find these in the U.S.?
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they look like royals but better built if that makes sense.

Looks almost exactly like a Stage VIII to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 19, 2019, 02:22:23 PM
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any one have any feed back about film trucks ? they look good quality to me.
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where can you find these in the U.S.?
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they look like royals but better built if that makes sense.
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Looks almost exactly like a Stage VIII to me.

Definite Stage VIII vibes. Did they redesign the hanger? I remember looking into them a year or so ago and them having a much more 'Thunder' looking hanger.

And for those curious, there's an interview with Daclin where he says the wheelbase on Film is "Closer to Indy than Thunder," (near the end of the interview).

http://www.mtlmediagroup.com/loveskatemag/www/?p=1419

There was another of his interviews where he stated his love for older (relatively speaking) Indy's, so that's probably indicative of what to expect with them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 19, 2019, 04:35:15 PM
I’m almost positive Film trucks are made in the same factory as tensors. If you google tensor “alloy” that truck is identical to Film trucks before he did the slight redesign to the hanger earlier this year. Native skate store just got a re-up and they ship to the states. They have good pictures for all their gear, and you can see the same slight imprint circles on the bottom of a Film baseplate in the same exact spots of Tensors so that kinda makes me think even more that it’s probably the same factory. The new versions of Films look really clean with flawless casting. The widest size I’ve seen offered is the 6.0 (8.5”).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 19, 2019, 06:10:19 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on November 19, 2019, 04:35:15 PM
I’m almost positive Film trucks are made in the same factory as tensors. If you google tensor “alloy” that truck is identical to Film trucks before he did the slight redesign to the hanger earlier this year. Native skate store just got a re-up and they ship to the states. They have good pictures for all their gear, and you can see the same slight imprint circles on the bottom of a Film baseplate in the same exact spots of Tensors so that kinda makes me think even more that it’s probably the same factory. The new versions of Films look really clean with flawless casting. The widest size I’ve seen offered is the 6.0 (8.5”).

Where do you see the overall width? In the description it says they're for 8.5" and above so I would guess they're closer to an 8.75", especially with them being listed as 156s. Either way, now I'm tempted to try them even though I do not need new trucks in any way, shape, or form.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on November 19, 2019, 07:22:35 PM
Cracked Ice pivot cups do indeed fit perfectly in thunders.  The new pinhole might have helped.

either way, I stand corrected

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49092787073_042247f4c7_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 20, 2019, 07:59:07 AM
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I’m almost positive Film trucks are made in the same factory as tensors. If you google tensor “alloy” that truck is identical to Film trucks before he did the slight redesign to the hanger earlier this year. Native skate store just got a re-up and they ship to the states. They have good pictures for all their gear, and you can see the same slight imprint circles on the bottom of a Film baseplate in the same exact spots of Tensors so that kinda makes me think even more that it’s probably the same factory. The new versions of Films look really clean with flawless casting. The widest size I’ve seen offered is the 6.0 (8.5”).
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Where do you see the overall width? In the description it says they're for 8.5" and above so I would guess they're closer to an 8.75", especially with them being listed as 156s. Either way, now I'm tempted to try them even though I do not need new trucks in any way, shape, or form.

5.25=8” 5.5=8.25” 5.75=8.5” 6.0=8.75”
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 20, 2019, 08:23:45 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on November 19, 2019, 07:22:35 PM
Cracked Ice pivot cups do indeed fit perfectly in thunders.  The new pinhole might have helped.

either way, I stand corrected

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49092787073_042247f4c7_z.jpg)

Yeah I though there's no way something designed for an Indy could fit in a thunder.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on November 20, 2019, 09:33:21 AM
riptide cracked ice + tax + shipping = $18
these better be worth it, man. these better be worth it...

i'm gonna use these with aces. could it be their geometry that breaks pivot cups?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on November 20, 2019, 09:39:08 AM
Quote from: anon on November 20, 2019, 09:33:21 AM
riptide cracked ice + tax + shipping = $18
these better be worth it, man. these better be worth it...

i'm gonna use these with aces. could it be their geometry that breaks pivot cups?

yall out here paying the price of a whole truck for pivot cups :'(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on November 20, 2019, 09:52:34 AM
Quote from: TwisT on November 20, 2019, 09:39:08 AM
yall out here paying the price of a whole truck for pivot cups :'(
They're definitely worth it. I can't go back now - its like premium bath tissue.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 20, 2019, 10:37:53 AM
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yall out here paying the price of a whole truck for pivot cups :'(
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They're definitely worth it. I can't go back now - its like premium bath tissue.

Perfect analogy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 20, 2019, 06:03:09 PM
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yall out here paying the price of a whole truck for pivot cups :'(
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They're definitely worth it. I can't go back now - its like premium bath tissue.
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Perfect analogy.

What an ass-ninie comment
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on November 20, 2019, 06:37:03 PM
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yall out here paying the price of a whole truck for pivot cups :'(
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They're definitely worth it. I can't go back now - its like premium bath tissue.
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Perfect analogy.
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What an ass-ninie comment

Might want to rectal-fy that statement
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 20, 2019, 10:25:08 PM
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yall out here paying the price of a whole truck for pivot cups :'(
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They're definitely worth it. I can't go back now - its like premium bath tissue.
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Perfect analogy.
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What an ass-ninie comment
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Might want to rectal-fy that statement

Anus

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on November 20, 2019, 11:50:07 PM
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yall out here paying the price of a whole truck for pivot cups :'(
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They're definitely worth it. I can't go back now - its like premium bath tissue.
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Perfect analogy.
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What an ass-ninie comment
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Might want to rectal-fy that statement
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Anus





buttholed up, what's going on here?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 21, 2019, 05:52:55 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/AvYGELi.jpg)

Fellow truck nerd, need help identifying if this is a pair of 5.0 or 5.25 trucks. I know it has a hollow axle and kingpin, white bushings and should be a low.

Appreciate your CSI work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 21, 2019, 06:05:11 AM
V-hollow 5.2. I have a pair of 5.0 kicking around and you wouldn't believe how tiny they look.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 21, 2019, 06:17:43 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on November 21, 2019, 06:05:11 AM
V-hollow 5.2. I have a pair of 5.0 kicking around and you wouldn't believe how tiny they look.

Do you know if they are the 5.2 or 5.25, I think the 5.25 was an older generation naming convention.

The only info I have is the bushing height and that they are low trucks. The guy I'm planning on buying them from doesn't have a ruler or tape measure in the house, what even.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 21, 2019, 07:06:20 AM
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V-hollow 5.2. I have a pair of 5.0 kicking around and you wouldn't believe how tiny they look.
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Do you know if they are the 5.2 or 5.25, I think the 5.25 was an older generation naming convention.

The only info I have is the bushing height and that they are low trucks. The guy I'm planning on buying them from doesn't have a ruler or tape measure in the house, what even.

DLX-made 5.2s, sorry. If the screened V goes with the V of the hanger, they're DLX. If the V goes against the hanger, they're Streetcorner. Also those appear to have forged plates and I don't recall the Streetcorner Ventures doing forged (I could be wrong on that part).

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 21, 2019, 07:25:03 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on November 21, 2019, 07:06:20 AM
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V-hollow 5.2. I have a pair of 5.0 kicking around and you wouldn't believe how tiny they look.
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Do you know if they are the 5.2 or 5.25, I think the 5.25 was an older generation naming convention.

The only info I have is the bushing height and that they are low trucks. The guy I'm planning on buying them from doesn't have a ruler or tape measure in the house, what even.
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DLX-made 5.2s, sorry. If the screened V goes with the V of the hanger, they're DLX. If the V goes against the hanger, they're Streetcorner. Also those appear to have forged plates and I don't recall the Streetcorner Ventures doing forged (I could be wrong on that part).

Doing dogs work thank you
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: alright on November 21, 2019, 08:09:57 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on November 21, 2019, 07:06:20 AM
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V-hollow 5.2. I have a pair of 5.0 kicking around and you wouldn't believe how tiny they look.
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Do you know if they are the 5.2 or 5.25, I think the 5.25 was an older generation naming convention.

The only info I have is the bushing height and that they are low trucks. The guy I'm planning on buying them from doesn't have a ruler or tape measure in the house, what even.
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DLX-made 5.2s, sorry. If the screened V goes with the V of the hanger, they're DLX. If the V goes against the hanger, they're Streetcorner. Also those appear to have forged plates and I don't recall the Streetcorner Ventures doing forged (I could be wrong on that part).

When was the switch from streetcorner to DLX? Was it a notable improvement?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on November 21, 2019, 09:33:12 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 21, 2019, 06:17:43 AM
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V-hollow 5.2. I have a pair of 5.0 kicking around and you wouldn't believe how tiny they look.
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Do you know if they are the 5.2 or 5.25, I think the 5.25 was an older generation naming convention.

The only info I have is the bushing height and that they are low trucks. The guy I'm planning on buying them from doesn't have a ruler or tape measure in the house, what even.

It's basically impossible to tell the size with any degree of certainty from that picture. Also those bushings don't look like the stock ones, ventures have a barrel bottom and a bottom washer stock. 99% sure those are bones mediums (especially given the lack of a bottom washer). So given that information, we can assume he's able to take the hanger off and he can simply do so and flip it over to get the answer. Voila!

(https://i.postimg.cc/yYL56QM0/IMG-20191121-122251.jpg)

Quote from: alright on November 21, 2019, 08:09:57 AM
When was the switch from streetcorner to DLX? Was it a notable improvement?

2011'ish and I'd say the common consensus is that the trucks improved under Deluxe. Better QC and now they get Deluxe customer service/support which is second to none. I never skated Ventures back in the day so I can't really comment on the streetcorner era, but I've got 3 pairs of modern ones (5.2l, 5.6 v-hollow, 5.8 shadow) and they're all top notch trucks. I can't think of a single Deluxe product that's subpar or even merely average now that I think about it.. pretty much everything they do is above average or best in class.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 21, 2019, 10:41:24 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 21, 2019, 07:25:03 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on November 21, 2019, 07:06:20 AM
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V-hollow 5.2. I have a pair of 5.0 kicking around and you wouldn't believe how tiny they look.
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Do you know if they are the 5.2 or 5.25, I think the 5.25 was an older generation naming convention.

The only info I have is the bushing height and that they are low trucks. The guy I'm planning on buying them from doesn't have a ruler or tape measure in the house, what even.
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DLX-made 5.2s, sorry. If the screened V goes with the V of the hanger, they're DLX. If the V goes against the hanger, they're Streetcorner. Also those appear to have forged plates and I don't recall the Streetcorner Ventures doing forged (I could be wrong on that part).
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Doing dogs work thank you

Glad I could help.

Quote from: alright on November 21, 2019, 08:09:57 AM
When was the switch from streetcorner to DLX? Was it a notable improvement?

BFRD isn't far off, but I think it was 2012. I could be wrong.

I never had any problems with Ventures when they were under Streetcorner but I remember lots of people talking about baseplates cracking and general QC issues. I believe they changed the geo a bit (hence the longer WB) and improved the turn a bit, though that might be partially due to them having good DLX bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mr. Stinky on November 21, 2019, 11:04:41 AM
Anyone know where might have some 215s in stock?  I heard somewhere a while back Indy/NHS sent the the last of the run out earlier in the year so what's floating around in shop inventories is what's left to pick up until the spring run.  Was really wanting to ask my lady for a 9.5" board setup for the Lord's b-day just for fun and I my 55s bent from 5-0s on a foot-tall ledge, so I'm sour on Ace for a minute and back on Indies again. 

EDIT: lol, my local has them, which isn't really a local, but a chain from SoCal with a location in a slowly dying mall.  I may run and get them there, but mostly out of convenience. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 21, 2019, 11:25:10 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on November 21, 2019, 09:33:12 AM
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V-hollow 5.2. I have a pair of 5.0 kicking around and you wouldn't believe how tiny they look.
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Do you know if they are the 5.2 or 5.25, I think the 5.25 was an older generation naming convention.

The only info I have is the bushing height and that they are low trucks. The guy I'm planning on buying them from doesn't have a ruler or tape measure in the house, what even.
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It's basically impossible to tell the size with any degree of certainty from that picture. Also those bushings don't look like the stock ones, ventures have a barrel bottom and a bottom washer stock. 99% sure those are bones mediums (especially given the lack of a bottom washer). So given that information, we can assume he's able to take the hanger off and he can simply do so and flip it over to get the answer. Voila!

(https://i.postimg.cc/yYL56QM0/IMG-20191121-122251.jpg)

Quote from: alright on November 21, 2019, 08:09:57 AM
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When was the switch from streetcorner to DLX? Was it a notable improvement?
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2011'ish and I'd say the common consensus is that the trucks improved under Deluxe. Better QC and now they get Deluxe customer service/support which is second to none. I never skated Ventures back in the day so I can't really comment on the streetcorner era, but I've got 3 pairs of modern ones (5.2l, 5.6 v-hollow, 5.8 shadow) and they're all top notch trucks. I can't think of a single Deluxe product that's subpar or even merely average now that I think about it.. pretty much everything they do is above average or best in class.

Deluxe is great! I agree

Never a bad product or even average at that

Always above and beyond in all departments

Especially customer service and warranty

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: alright on November 21, 2019, 11:33:22 AM
Quote from: rob on November 21, 2019, 11:25:10 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on November 21, 2019, 09:33:12 AM
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Quote from: rocklobster on November 21, 2019, 06:17:43 AM
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Quote from: FrozenIndustries on November 21, 2019, 06:05:11 AM
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V-hollow 5.2. I have a pair of 5.0 kicking around and you wouldn't believe how tiny they look.
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Do you know if they are the 5.2 or 5.25, I think the 5.25 was an older generation naming convention.

The only info I have is the bushing height and that they are low trucks. The guy I'm planning on buying them from doesn't have a ruler or tape measure in the house, what even.
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It's basically impossible to tell the size with any degree of certainty from that picture. Also those bushings don't look like the stock ones, ventures have a barrel bottom and a bottom washer stock. 99% sure those are bones mediums (especially given the lack of a bottom washer). So given that information, we can assume he's able to take the hanger off and he can simply do so and flip it over to get the answer. Voila!

(https://i.postimg.cc/yYL56QM0/IMG-20191121-122251.jpg)

Quote from: alright on November 21, 2019, 08:09:57 AM
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When was the switch from streetcorner to DLX? Was it a notable improvement?
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2011'ish and I'd say the common consensus is that the trucks improved under Deluxe. Better QC and now they get Deluxe customer service/support which is second to none. I never skated Ventures back in the day so I can't really comment on the streetcorner era, but I've got 3 pairs of modern ones (5.2l, 5.6 v-hollow, 5.8 shadow) and they're all top notch trucks. I can't think of a single Deluxe product that's subpar or even merely average now that I think about it.. pretty much everything they do is above average or best in class.
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Deluxe is great! I agree

Never a bad product or even average at that

Always above and beyond in all departments

Especially customer service and warranty

Their customer service is awesome. I've had an issue with a krooked deck and they immediately resolved it by replacing it. Unfortunately, I've had another distributor treat me really lousy over the same issue(looking at you theories of atlantis). When it comes to buying a deck, the majority of ones that I plan on buying will be from DLX, save the random one here or there.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on November 21, 2019, 02:06:21 PM
Quote from: Mr. Stinky on November 21, 2019, 11:04:41 AM
Anyone know where might have some 215s in stock? 

My local does.   https://squareup.com/store/solsk8s/item/independent-raw-6
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 21, 2019, 02:24:08 PM
Anyone seen these in the wild/do they even exist (DLX guys?), WS is the only place I've ever seen them (stickers look legit):

Venture v-hollow high 5.6 (https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/venture-trucks-polished-v-hollow-high-silver-skateboard-trucks-5.6-hanger-8.25-axle-set-of-2)

Venture v-hollow low 5.6 (https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/venture-trucks-polished-v-hollow-low-silver-skateboard-trucks-5.25-hanger-8.0-axle-set-of-2)

I've only ever seen the V-lights (hollow pin, solid axle) out there in 5.6 in the wild and on other sites. I'd be really into checking out the V-Hollow lows for giggles on a 90s setup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 7th Chamber on November 21, 2019, 02:55:51 PM
Quote from: Xen on November 21, 2019, 02:24:08 PM
Anyone seen these in the wild/do they even exist (DLX guys?), WS is the only place I've ever seen them (stickers look legit):

Venture v-hollow high 5.6 (https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/venture-trucks-polished-v-hollow-high-silver-skateboard-trucks-5.6-hanger-8.25-axle-set-of-2)

Venture v-hollow low 5.6 (https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/venture-trucks-polished-v-hollow-low-silver-skateboard-trucks-5.25-hanger-8.0-axle-set-of-2)

I've only ever seen the V-lights (hollow pin, solid axle) out there in 5.6 in the wild and on other sites. I'd be really into checking out the V-Hollow lows for giggles on a 90s setup.
I’m skating 5.6 hollows right now. I don’t think they made any 5.6 lows though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on November 22, 2019, 05:42:22 AM
Anyone have experience with bones medium versus ace aftermarket in Indy? I like that the bones don’t seem to freeze up as bad in colder temperatures but the durability of the bones just isn’t there.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on November 22, 2019, 06:43:35 AM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on November 22, 2019, 05:42:22 AM
Anyone have experience with bones medium versus ace aftermarket in Indy? I like that the bones don’t seem to freeze up as bad in colder temperatures but the durability of the bones just isn’t there.
I've had the same experience. Some candles burn twice as bright...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skart on November 22, 2019, 07:21:40 AM
How long until some heady glassblower makes inserts for the venture baseplates
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on November 22, 2019, 08:37:13 AM
I'm still experimenting with setups and I realized that with Krux I got good kickflips and with Indy they're rocket mobbed
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on November 22, 2019, 11:40:26 AM
Quote from: moonordie on November 22, 2019, 08:37:13 AM
I'm still experimenting with setups and I realized that with Krux I got good kickflips and with Indy they're rocket mobbed

It’s how stable krux are

Indy’s are tipsy

But indys turn better and feel better

But krux help you pop better

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 22, 2019, 11:55:00 AM
Quote from: 7th Chamber on November 21, 2019, 02:55:51 PM
Quote from: Xen on November 21, 2019, 02:24:08 PM
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Anyone seen these in the wild/do they even exist (DLX guys?), WS is the only place I've ever seen them (stickers look legit):

Venture v-hollow high 5.6 (https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/venture-trucks-polished-v-hollow-high-silver-skateboard-trucks-5.6-hanger-8.25-axle-set-of-2)

Venture v-hollow low 5.6 (https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/venture-trucks-polished-v-hollow-low-silver-skateboard-trucks-5.25-hanger-8.0-axle-set-of-2)

I've only ever seen the V-lights (hollow pin, solid axle) out there in 5.6 in the wild and on other sites. I'd be really into checking out the V-Hollow lows for giggles on a 90s setup.
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I’m skating 5.6 hollows right now. I don’t think they made any 5.6 lows though.

Yeah, cut n paste typo, the v-hollow lows are 8"

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on November 22, 2019, 12:33:31 PM
Quote from: rob on November 22, 2019, 11:40:26 AM
Quote from: moonordie on November 22, 2019, 08:37:13 AM
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I'm still experimenting with setups and I realized that with Krux I got good kickflips and with Indy they're rocket mobbed
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It’s how stable krux are

Indy’s are tipsy

But indys turn better and feel better

But krux help you pop better
Tomorrow I'll try back Krux, I'm kinda liking them a lot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on November 22, 2019, 01:08:49 PM
I've been manic about thunders vs Indys for about 12 days. Sucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on November 22, 2019, 01:52:13 PM
Quote from: fang on November 22, 2019, 01:08:49 PM
I've been manic about thunders vs Indys for about 12 days. Sucks
damn. What have you learned that you can share
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on November 22, 2019, 01:59:24 PM
Quote from: fang on November 22, 2019, 01:08:49 PM
I've been manic about thunders vs Indys for about 12 days. Sucks

Haha, same and please share results of mania
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on November 22, 2019, 04:27:07 PM
My current case:
(https://i.imgur.com/qsObGqjl.jpg)
I think that I'm really liking Krux so far, until now Indy had always worked the best for me.
Can't wait to find some new Tensor ATG, it would be nice to be off the Indy wagon for a change.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on November 22, 2019, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: Xen on November 22, 2019, 11:55:00 AM
Quote from: 7th Chamber on November 21, 2019, 02:55:51 PM
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Quote from: Xen on November 21, 2019, 02:24:08 PM
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Anyone seen these in the wild/do they even exist (DLX guys?), WS is the only place I've ever seen them (stickers look legit):

Venture v-hollow high 5.6 (https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/venture-trucks-polished-v-hollow-high-silver-skateboard-trucks-5.6-hanger-8.25-axle-set-of-2)

Venture v-hollow low 5.6 (https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/venture-trucks-polished-v-hollow-low-silver-skateboard-trucks-5.25-hanger-8.0-axle-set-of-2)

I've only ever seen the V-lights (hollow pin, solid axle) out there in 5.6 in the wild and on other sites. I'd be really into checking out the V-Hollow lows for giggles on a 90s setup.
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I’m skating 5.6 hollows right now. I don’t think they made any 5.6 lows though.
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Yeah, cut n paste typo, the v-hollow lows are 8"

I've also got pair of the 5.6 hollows. It took a few tries to find a deck that matched up well with them but once I found one that felt right (8.28 AH Kanfoush shit canned construction) I realized how good they really are. I know not everyone likes the decidedly non-Indy turn of Venture high but I love it and the on-center stability helps me with flip tricks. Weight is 329g so they're around the same weight as a Thunder 149 hollow.

I just bought a set of Destructo D2 - I got the 5.75 (8.375" axle) and I'm really digging them. They're about the same height as Thunders and weigh 340g which is pretty good for a solid axle (hollow kingpin though). They have a bit of an Indy-like turn once the bushings are broken in but pop like a Thunder, which is exactly what I want in a truck. Haven't done any grinding beyond a couple short slappy crooks and a single 50-50 but I didn't notice any issues in that very limited sample.

Honestly I'd probably make the D2s my go-to truck and daily driver for the foreseeable future except that today I bought something that was probably pretty foolish - Theeve Ti-Hangers. The pair I bought are lightly used but still ended up being around $100 after shipping but they're such a rare bird that I couldn't pass them up. They should be here early next week, so I'll be sure to take some pics and whatnot if you guys want to see them. Really excited in the nerdiest way possible to give them a spin and just kind of see what they're like.

Quote from: Richard Skidder on November 22, 2019, 05:42:22 AM
Anyone have experience with bones medium versus ace aftermarket in Indy? I like that the bones don’t seem to freeze up as bad in colder temperatures but the durability of the bones just isn’t there.

Ace bushings aren't really anything special in indys, I prefer aftermarket Indy bushings. One thing to be aware of if you do decide to go that route is the standard ace bushings are taller than Indy bushings and its enough of a difference that I had trouble getting the kingpin nut to thread when I tried it. I eventually had to rub the top bushing against some old scraps of mob and sand it down a good bit to get them to fit and I'm pretty sure even then it threw the geometry off because it just didn't feel right. Ace LOW bushings might work but I've never tried them so I can't promise anything.

Honestly I've never really liked Bones in Indys either. Indy's just seem to feel weird to me with a conical bottom, so the best aftermarket bushings I've found for them are Indy GP or if you want a "bouncy" rebound feeling then tracker superballs have been really good for me. Just beware that they feel harder than the listed duro, so I'd recommend the soft if you normally ride mediums and the mediums if you ride hard.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on November 22, 2019, 09:16:20 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on November 22, 2019, 04:37:08 PM


Ace bushings aren't really anything special in indys, I prefer aftermarket Indy bushings. One thing to be aware of if you do decide to go that route is the standard ace bushings are taller than Indy bushings and its enough of a difference that I had trouble getting the kingpin nut to thread when I tried it. I eventually had to rub the top bushing against some old scraps of mob and sand it down a good bit to get them to fit and I'm pretty sure even then it threw the geometry off because it just didn't feel right. Ace LOW bushings might work but I've never tried them so I can't promise anything.

Honestly I've never really liked Bones in Indys either. Indy's just seem to feel weird to me with a conical bottom, so the best aftermarket bushings I've found for them are Indy GP

Agreed on all counts. I've also used a normal bottom ace bushing and a low ace top and they felt okay while still being able to secure the kingpin nut due to the lower top bushing, I still prefer the cylinder orange aftermarket indy bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: alright on November 23, 2019, 07:14:43 AM
Quote from: moonordie on November 22, 2019, 04:27:07 PM
My current case:
(https://i.imgur.com/qsObGqjl.jpg)
I think that I'm really liking Krux so far, until now Indy had always worked the best for me.
Can't wait to find some new Tensor ATG, it would be nice to be off the Indy wagon for a change.

That kind of makes me want to try them.

I've got a pair of venture lows on the way for a more technical setup but I really want a new set of trucks for my regular board. I've got 144 indys right now and while I do like them, I kind of don't like them in the same breath. I don't know what it is but they just aren't my favorite trucks, even though I haven't skated anything better yet.

I was away from skating for so long and when I used to skate I went through a set of royals and a set of destructos. Both of which I really like but can't see myself getting nowadays. I was thinking of trying thunders but I might go with krux next and see where that leads me. Sometimes I think I get too hung up on that shit and need to just go skate but whatever. When something feels off it feels off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 23, 2019, 07:44:00 AM
I feel Thunders are a good safe truck that can be used in most board situations, a middle ground between Indys and Ventures. Indys and Thunders are a generalist truck, Venture will feel the best on certain board combinations; still trying to find that sweet spot. I swapped out my Thunder 147 Lights for a pair of Indy 139 Hollow, let you know the difference after tomorrows session.

I'm only just getting into my truck madness, so I'll stick with the big 3 for now, until I find a good deal on some 2nd hand gear.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: camel filters on November 23, 2019, 07:49:59 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 23, 2019, 07:44:00 AM
I feel Thunders are a good safe truck that can be used in most board situations, a middle ground between Indys and Ventures. Indys and Thunders are a generalist truck, Venture will feel the best on certain board combinations; still trying to find that sweet spot. I swapped out my Thunder 147 Lights for a pair of Indy 139 Hollow, let you know the difference after tomorrows session.

I'm only just getting into my truck madness, so I'll stick with the big 3 for now, until I find a good deal on some 2nd hand gear.
What situation is close to the sweet spot on 5.8 ventures? I have a set that I've swapped out but am not opposed to using them in the future.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on November 23, 2019, 07:52:36 AM
Quote from: alright on November 23, 2019, 07:14:43 AM
Quote from: moonordie on November 22, 2019, 04:27:07 PM
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My current case:
(https://i.imgur.com/qsObGqjl.jpg)
I think that I'm really liking Krux so far, until now Indy had always worked the best for me.
Can't wait to find some new Tensor ATG, it would be nice to be off the Indy wagon for a change.
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That kind of makes me want to try them.

I've got a pair of venture lows on the way for a more technical setup but I really want a new set of trucks for my regular board. I've got 144 indys right now and while I do like them, I kind of don't like them in the same breath. I don't know what it is but they just aren't my favorite trucks, even though I haven't skated anything better yet.

I was away from skating for so long and when I used to skate I went through a set of royals and a set of destructos. Both of which I really like but can't see myself getting nowadays. I was thinking of trying thunders but I might go with krux next and see where that leads me. Sometimes I think I get too hung up on that shit and need to just go skate but whatever. When something feels off it feels off.
Sure I can relate to that, badly.
Thunders just won't work for me, what happens to me with the is that I land sth and the wheelbite screws me up. With Indy they just turn without that wheelbite so I can roll away.
Now what's messing with my truck madness is the fact that lately my kickflips are rocket mobbed with Indy, with Krux they are way better but I lost nollie heels on the way but I'm pretty sure is because of the nose shape. We'll see...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 23, 2019, 08:05:11 AM
Quote from: camel filters on November 23, 2019, 07:49:59 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 23, 2019, 07:44:00 AM
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I feel Thunders are a good safe truck that can be used in most board situations, a middle ground between Indys and Ventures. Indys and Thunders are a generalist truck, Venture will feel the best on certain board combinations; still trying to find that sweet spot. I swapped out my Thunder 147 Lights for a pair of Indy 139 Hollow, let you know the difference after tomorrows session.

I'm only just getting into my truck madness, so I'll stick with the big 3 for now, until I find a good deal on some 2nd hand gear.
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What situation is close to the sweet spot on 5.8 ventures? I have a set that I've swapped out but am not opposed to using them in the future.

I've never had a pair of 5.8 Ventures so I can't give you any input, I'm sorry. It's time consuming, but the only way of knowing is to setup a board with the trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on November 23, 2019, 08:46:34 AM
Quote from: camel filters on November 23, 2019, 07:49:59 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 23, 2019, 07:44:00 AM
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I feel Thunders are a good safe truck that can be used in most board situations, a middle ground between Indys and Ventures. Indys and Thunders are a generalist truck, Venture will feel the best on certain board combinations; still trying to find that sweet spot. I swapped out my Thunder 147 Lights for a pair of Indy 139 Hollow, let you know the difference after tomorrows session.

I'm only just getting into my truck madness, so I'll stick with the big 3 for now, until I find a good deal on some 2nd hand gear.
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What situation is close to the sweet spot on 5.8 ventures? I have a set that I've swapped out but am not opposed to using them in the future.

I don’t have too much experience with venture hi trucks but I would think that having a short wheelbase and mellow kicks would be an ideal setup for turning and popping.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 23, 2019, 11:08:43 AM
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I feel Thunders are a good safe truck that can be used in most board situations, a middle ground between Indys and Ventures. Indys and Thunders are a generalist truck, Venture will feel the best on certain board combinations; still trying to find that sweet spot. I swapped out my Thunder 147 Lights for a pair of Indy 139 Hollow, let you know the difference after tomorrows session.

I'm only just getting into my truck madness, so I'll stick with the big 3 for now, until I find a good deal on some 2nd hand gear.
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What situation is close to the sweet spot on 5.8 ventures? I have a set that I've swapped out but am not opposed to using them in the future.
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I don’t have too much experience with venture hi trucks but I would think that having a short wheelbase and mellow kicks would be an ideal setup for turning and popping.

I would agree, a longer board with a short-medium WB really goes well with Ventures.

I'm running a set of 5.8 V-lights on the AWS 8.5" shape, which is 32.25" with a 14.125" WB (lots of flat). It rules, lots of pop and feels very stable but also very forgiving.

I skated nothing but Ventures from '97 until the past spring, when I switched to 159s so I could skate some bigger popsicles and shaped boards. Recently decided to size down so I could be a little less picky with boards. It feels so good to be back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AssFlea on November 23, 2019, 11:29:49 AM
Holy moly holy moly Ben Degros has some T4s.
I would kill for a set
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on November 23, 2019, 11:55:56 AM
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My current case:
(https://i.imgur.com/qsObGqjl.jpg)
I think that I'm really liking Krux so far, until now Indy had always worked the best for me.
Can't wait to find some new Tensor ATG, it would be nice to be off the Indy wagon for a change.
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That kind of makes me want to try them.

I've got a pair of venture lows on the way for a more technical setup but I really want a new set of trucks for my regular board. I've got 144 indys right now and while I do like them, I kind of don't like them in the same breath. I don't know what it is but they just aren't my favorite trucks, even though I haven't skated anything better yet.

I was away from skating for so long and when I used to skate I went through a set of royals and a set of destructos. Both of which I really like but can't see myself getting nowadays. I was thinking of trying thunders but I might go with krux next and see where that leads me. Sometimes I think I get too hung up on that shit and need to just go skate but whatever. When something feels off it feels off.

I wouldn’t wish Krux on my worst enemy!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on November 23, 2019, 01:46:15 PM
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I've been manic about thunders vs Indys for about 12 days. Sucks
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Haha, same and please share results of mania

I can tell you that one day I'm like "Indys for life, fuck the rest bro". And I come home from work, comfortable in my decision. Probably even do a bit of reading while sipping a hot chocolate.

Next day, at work, maybe watch a Puig, Ishod, Dennis clip.. start pondering if I want to "know control" or not, then I feel like I DO want to know control, go home, switch my trucks. 

I think a lot of it is from not spending too much time on the board, so I'm over analyzing all of this shit instead of just skating. I go through this all week at work. It's part of my routine now
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 23, 2019, 04:00:29 PM
Quote from: moonordie on November 22, 2019, 04:27:07 PM
My current case:
(https://i.imgur.com/qsObGqjl.jpg)
I think that I'm really liking Krux so far, until now Indy had always worked the best for me.
Can't wait to find some new Tensor ATG, it would be nice to be off the Indy wagon for a change.

Haters gonna hate but the ATGs compete right up there with Indy/Thunder.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 23, 2019, 04:38:39 PM
Quote from: Xen on November 23, 2019, 04:00:29 PM
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My current case:
(https://i.imgur.com/qsObGqjl.jpg)
I think that I'm really liking Krux so far, until now Indy had always worked the best for me.
Can't wait to find some new Tensor ATG, it would be nice to be off the Indy wagon for a change.
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Haters gonna hate but the ATGs compete right up there with Indy/Thunder.

I agree, ran mine till a broke a kingpin and had a terrible time getting that shit out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oldbummer on November 23, 2019, 07:02:26 PM
I'll admit, I've changed my setup and then changed it again before actually getting out to skate on it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: In A Jar on November 23, 2019, 10:08:56 PM
Quote from: oldbummer on November 23, 2019, 07:02:26 PM
I'll admit, I've changed my setup and then changed it again before actually getting out to skate on it.

Ha ha yes!  Me too. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 24, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
Quote from: oldbummer on November 23, 2019, 07:02:26 PM
I'll admit, I've changed my setup and then changed it again before actually getting out to skate on it.

Guilty.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on November 24, 2019, 02:20:59 PM
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I'll admit, I've changed my setup and then changed it again before actually getting out to skate on it.
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Guilty.
Guilty-ish
I've changed my setup trying to find the perfect one for me and I always end up with the same.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on November 24, 2019, 04:10:44 PM
has anyone tried both Thunder 151s and Indy 159s? going to buy both but would like to hear slap reviews
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 24, 2019, 05:51:30 PM
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I'll admit, I've changed my setup and then changed it again before actually getting out to skate on it.
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Guilty.
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Guilty-ish
I've changed my setup trying to find the perfect one for me and I always end up with the same.

Always chasing that feeling of the perfect setup from that 1 session. It's just 1 thing after another: board, trucks, riser, wheels and repeat.

I've been looking to try a pair of Venture 5.2 Hi (Hollow or Light) but I'm trying to cop a lightly used pair online. Only found Venture 5.2 Lows, so I'm thinking of getting a pair and sticking some risers on them. Would that give the same experience as as riding Highs or is the geometry completely different?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cricketclub on November 24, 2019, 07:04:39 PM
Thinking about trying an 8.25 on my indy 149’s. Currently on a 8.375.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on November 24, 2019, 09:42:42 PM
Quote from: cricketclub on November 24, 2019, 07:04:39 PM
Thinking about trying an 8.25 on my indy 149’s. Currently on a 8.375.
it'll be ok. mr. worrest used to skate 149s with 8.125
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP1wNrKxIbg
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on November 24, 2019, 09:49:07 PM
did the 8.25/indy 149 combo all summer sizing down from 8.5 boards. i always liked it more than 144s/148s, felt a little too tippy on Indys. on ace 44s now with an 8.25 board, trying to adjust, the fact they're a little lower than Indys helps but something about the proportions of indy 149s makes it hard to enjoy any other truck, also makes me scared to blow money on 5.8 ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 25, 2019, 10:55:59 AM
Anyone ever try those Royal standards with the inverted kingpins?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 7th Chamber on November 25, 2019, 11:05:14 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on November 25, 2019, 10:55:59 AM
Anyone ever try those Royal standards with the inverted kingpins?
Ben Degros did so you don’t have to.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 25, 2019, 12:19:08 PM
I think I'd almost rather just ride Krux....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on November 25, 2019, 12:25:05 PM
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Anyone ever try those Royal standards with the inverted kingpins?
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Ben Degros did so you don’t have to.

One of my buds did a while back, as I remember they were nothing special/kinda cruddy. If I'm not mistaken the kingpin didn't hold itself in place so you had to have the truck off the board to tighten or loosen them, which is just poor design if you're going to have an inverted kingpin truck. The only people I know that skate Royals get them for free so I really don't see the point.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 26, 2019, 07:56:28 AM
The kinpin looks beat compared to the Krux one......like an old grindking one or something. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on November 26, 2019, 08:34:28 AM
Quote from: off on November 24, 2019, 04:10:44 PM
has anyone tried both Thunder 151s and Indy 159s? going to buy both but would like to hear slap reviews

Yes, I used to rotate between the two. With smaller wheels and smaller wheelbase, Thunder is the way to go. Bigger wheels or longer wheel base, Indy. The 151s are noticeably lighter. Sharp responsive turn for a wide truck. Stable but you can initiate your turn super quick. Indy's feel a tad sluggish and sloppy in comparison. Also, very different timing on the pop. The Thunder pop takes a bit to get used to but when you do its great. I personally prefer Thunder. Some people don't like where the axles sit, making nose slides and tail slides slide on the wheels not the baseplate... Small, harder wheels can negate this. My 151s are pretty destroyed and I just purchased a new pair yesterday. I used them on everything from 8.5" decks to shaped 9"+ decks... When I'm not flirting with Aces...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: alright on November 26, 2019, 09:55:37 AM
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Yes, I used to rotate between the two. With smaller wheels and smaller wheelbase, Thunder is the way to go. Bigger wheels or longer wheel base, Indy. The 151s are noticeably lighter. Sharp responsive turn for a wide truck. Stable but you can initiate your turn super quick. Indy's feel a tad sluggish and sloppy in comparison. Also, very different timing on the pop. The Thunder pop takes a bit to get used to but when you do its great. I personally prefer Thunder. Some people don't like where the axles sit, making nose slides and tail slides slide on the wheels not the baseplate... Small, harder wheels can negate this. My 151s are pretty destroyed and I just purchased a new pair yesterday. I used them on everything from 8.5" decks to shaped 9"+ decks... When I'm not flirting with Aces...


What exactly about the pop with thunders is so much different?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on November 26, 2019, 10:00:22 AM
Quote from: alright on November 26, 2019, 09:55:37 AM
What exactly about the pop with thunders is so much different?
Thunders extend your wheelbase, effectively shortening the tail, which makes the board pop at a steeper angle before the tail hits - thus "increasing" the pop for some people who are more used to that timing-it also makes the board more stable, so you feel more in control when you're squatting.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on November 26, 2019, 11:03:00 AM
What Firebert said. Takes a little bit more effort and force to get the tail to pop but the result is a bit more sprack. I fuck myself by rotating between truck brands but if I just stuck to one the pop 'timing' wouldn't be an issue. A session of adjustment is all it takes.

The other weird thing to note. I was riding an old deck, that's soggy and about to die with Aces and it was responding like shit. When I put thunders back  on it, they livened it up a bit and it felt more sprightly again, probably due to the same reason as above with axle placement and pop.

Like all my reviews, take them with a grain of salt. I'm old and tired...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UPPERCASEnocap on November 26, 2019, 01:00:52 PM
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I've been manic about thunders vs Indys for about 12 days. Sucks
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Haha, same and please share results of mania
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I can tell you that one day I'm like "Indys for life, fuck the rest bro". And I come home from work, comfortable in my decision. Probably even do a bit of reading while sipping a hot chocolate.

Next day, at work, maybe watch a Puig, Ishod, Dennis clip.. start pondering if I want to "know control" or not, then I feel like I DO want to know control, go home, switch my trucks. 

I think a lot of it is from not spending too much time on the board, so I'm over analyzing all of this shit instead of just skating. I go through this all week at work. It's part of my routine now

Same. now Venture goes and gets a solid team and into the conversation...Just got a set of v-lights 5.6 and they are the VIBE on a short wb..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on November 26, 2019, 02:29:26 PM
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I've been manic about thunders vs Indys for about 12 days. Sucks
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Haha, same and please share results of mania
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I can tell you that one day I'm like "Indys for life, fuck the rest bro". And I come home from work, comfortable in my decision. Probably even do a bit of reading while sipping a hot chocolate.

Next day, at work, maybe watch a Puig, Ishod, Dennis clip.. start pondering if I want to "know control" or not, then I feel like I DO want to know control, go home, switch my trucks. 

I think a lot of it is from not spending too much time on the board, so I'm over analyzing all of this shit instead of just skating. I go through this all week at work. It's part of my routine now
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Same. now Venture goes and gets a solid team and into the conversation...Just got a set of v-lights 5.6 and they are the VIBE on a short wb..

Too paranoid I'll end up with a board with kicks too short for Ventures to be a regular option, shrinking them down to nothing. It really does seem they only pair well with a very specific board. Thunders are the same to an extent but I feel their lower height, light weight, and slightly smaller wb than Venture makes them a viable option on more boards.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 26, 2019, 05:48:32 PM
I kike the idea of 5.6's but how high are they?  I'm pretty sure the height, and weight of a thunder keep me coming back. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UPPERCASEnocap on November 26, 2019, 06:19:35 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on November 26, 2019, 05:48:32 PM
I kike the idea of 5.6's but how high are they?  I'm pretty sure the height, and weight of a thunder keep me coming back.

53.5  is what the 5.6 is listed as. I think both forged and cast are the same height however, the forged is stretched a little further on the wheelbase so it responds the same. Could be wrong.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on November 26, 2019, 06:23:11 PM
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I kike the idea of 5.6's but how high are they?  I'm pretty sure the height, and weight of a thunder keep me coming back.
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53.5  is what the 5.6 is listed as. I think both forged and cast are the same height however, the forged is stretched a little further on the wheelbase so it responds the same. Could be wrong.

forged baseplates are thinner, but they do extend the wheelbase more
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UPPERCASEnocap on November 26, 2019, 06:27:52 PM
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I kike the idea of 5.6's but how high are they?  I'm pretty sure the height, and weight of a thunder keep me coming back.
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53.5  is what the 5.6 is listed as. I think both forged and cast are the same height however, the forged is stretched a little further on the wheelbase so it responds the same. Could be wrong.
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forged baseplates are thinner, but they do extend the wheelbase more

Ya, that's obvious. But the overall height on both cast and forged is listed as 53.5. 🤷‍♂️ Is it really just the lowness of the forged that extend the wheelbase?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 26, 2019, 06:39:32 PM
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I kike the idea of 5.6's but how high are they?  I'm pretty sure the height, and weight of a thunder keep me coming back.
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53.5  is what the 5.6 is listed as. I think both forged and cast are the same height however, the forged is stretched a little further on the wheelbase so it responds the same. Could be wrong.
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forged baseplates are thinner, but they do extend the wheelbase more
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Ya, that's obvious. But the overall height on both cast and forged is listed as 53.5. 🤷‍♂️ Is it really just the lowness of the forged that extend the wheelbase?

Lowering (or raising) the height won't extend your wheelbase (otherwise normal risers would have an effect). The Forged Ventures have a slightly different geometry on the baseplates that extends the wheelbase. Pics from this post show the offset of the mounting holes being farther back than cast plates,
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3046303#msg3046303
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UPPERCASEnocap on November 26, 2019, 06:47:06 PM
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I kike the idea of 5.6's but how high are they?  I'm pretty sure the height, and weight of a thunder keep me coming back.
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53.5  is what the 5.6 is listed as. I think both forged and cast are the same height however, the forged is stretched a little further on the wheelbase so it responds the same. Could be wrong.
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forged baseplates are thinner, but they do extend the wheelbase more
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Ya, that's obvious. But the overall height on both cast and forged is listed as 53.5. 🤷‍♂️ Is it really just the lowness of the forged that extend the wheelbase?
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Lowering (or raising) the height won't extend your wheelbase (otherwise normal risers would have an effect). The Forged Ventures have a slightly different geometry on the baseplates that extends the wheelbase. Pics from this post show the offset of the mounting holes being farther back than cast plates,
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3046303#msg3046303

Right, So the forged would have to be redesigned to extend the wheelbase. Which very well could mean that design is also 53.5mm high?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on November 26, 2019, 06:56:54 PM
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I kike the idea of 5.6's but how high are they?  I'm pretty sure the height, and weight of a thunder keep me coming back.
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53.5  is what the 5.6 is listed as. I think both forged and cast are the same height however, the forged is stretched a little further on the wheelbase so it responds the same. Could be wrong.
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forged baseplates are thinner, but they do extend the wheelbase more
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Ya, that's obvious. But the overall height on both cast and forged is listed as 53.5. 🤷‍♂️ Is it really just the lowness of the forged that extend the wheelbase?
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Lowering (or raising) the height won't extend your wheelbase (otherwise normal risers would have an effect). The Forged Ventures have a slightly different geometry on the baseplates that extends the wheelbase. Pics from this post show the offset of the mounting holes being farther back than cast plates,
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3046303#msg3046303
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Right, So the forged would have to be redesigned to extend the wheelbase. Which very well could mean that design is also 53.5mm high?

The height of the hanger remains the same for both the forged and cast plates. The listing is wrong.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 26, 2019, 07:36:55 PM
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I kike the idea of 5.6's but how high are they?  I'm pretty sure the height, and weight of a thunder keep me coming back.
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53.5  is what the 5.6 is listed as. I think both forged and cast are the same height however, the forged is stretched a little further on the wheelbase so it responds the same. Could be wrong.
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forged baseplates are thinner, but they do extend the wheelbase more
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Ya, that's obvious. But the overall height on both cast and forged is listed as 53.5. 🤷‍♂️ Is it really just the lowness of the forged that extend the wheelbase?
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Lowering (or raising) the height won't extend your wheelbase (otherwise normal risers would have an effect). The Forged Ventures have a slightly different geometry on the baseplates that extends the wheelbase. Pics from this post show the offset of the mounting holes being farther back than cast plates,
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3046303#msg3046303
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Right, So the forged would have to be redesigned to extend the wheelbase. Which very well could mean that design is also 53.5mm high?
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The height of the hanger remains the same for both the forged and cast plates. The listing is wrong.

Indeed, Venture forged 5.8's are right around 52mm. Comparable to Thunder Teams or Aces.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skatansfinest666 on November 26, 2019, 09:08:16 PM
Anyone know of a bushing set up I can do to mimick the bones mediums in thunder hi 149s? They feel so good but the geometry isn’t mixing and tend to make a clicking sound when leaning from side to side?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on November 26, 2019, 09:23:37 PM
Quote from: Skatansfinest666 on November 26, 2019, 09:08:16 PM
Anyone know of a bushing set up I can do to mimick the bones mediums in thunder hi 149s? They feel so good but the geometry isn’t mixing and tend to make a clicking sound when leaning from side to side?

If you wanna maintain the geometry, you'll need another set of bones bushings for the washers they supply. Two stacked bones bushings washers + bones bottom bushing is roughly the same height as the stock thunder bottom bushing.

Rub some wax on each point of contact between the bushing and washer, the click will go away.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skatansfinest666 on November 26, 2019, 09:34:11 PM
Alright hell ya thanks bro! So I just put two of the bottom washers on the bottom and run everything else normal and the bones bushings with work in the thunders?  And is that click coming from the top washer they use? I thought it was coming from the inner plastic core catching on the kingpin threads to save my life ? 🤔 at least it sounded like it was coming from there hah
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on November 26, 2019, 09:38:16 PM
So two bones washers+stock washer+bones bushing. I'd just wax everything.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on November 27, 2019, 01:58:54 PM
Anyone mess with switchmade gold bushings. Their whole gimmick is that they always return to straight

https://www.instagram.com/p/B4GzhuRBjs_/?igshid=c07y0yf87vsx
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skatansfinest666 on November 27, 2019, 04:26:39 PM
So anyone know if it’ll work fine with bones hardcore medium bottom bushing no bottom Washer/ thunder aftermarket medium bushings (blue ones from rebuild kit) with bones bushing small washer? I’ve found out that bones bushing exact set up throws off the geometry of thunders and it makes a clicking sound when turning from side to side and I’ve heard if I do rock em still they’ll cause my pivot cups to blow out significantly faster and I just replaced them so not trying to have to order new ones again 🤷🏻‍♂️ What I got from all this tho is I love the feeling they give my thunder 149 hi they snap back really fast and straighten out nice and stable IMO it gives them a very independent like feel and turn or as close to this feeling as you can get when it comes to pop too along with turning and surfy-ness. I love everything about thunders besides their turning and that they have a slower feel to them when cruising and pushing than indys do. So I’m trying to replicate this feeling I get from the bones and as much of an Indy feel outta these thunders so if y’all got some bushing combos and promising set ups I’d be stoked to hear em!? Also I’ve got some mini logo 1/8” risers to replicate the height of my 149 stage 11 Indy hollows. So shoot the recommendations my way they’ll be welcomed with open arms 🤲🏼
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 27, 2019, 05:13:47 PM
Stock thunders are fine. Indy conicals fit. Bones shouldn’t be considered a contender anymore, they don’t hold up. There are so many aftermarket choices now. Pure urethane ftw.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 27, 2019, 05:18:22 PM
Thinking of getting a pair of Theeve Jordan Hoffart trucks off Chuting Star sale to add to my quiver. Already have a pair of Indy 139, Thunder 148 and thunder 147. Either this or a pair of Tensor Maglite 5.5. I typically ride 8-8.25 boards.

Anyone have any reviews on them before I pull the trigger?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 27, 2019, 05:21:29 PM
Quote from: UPPERCASEnocap on November 26, 2019, 01:00:52 PM
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I've been manic about thunders vs Indys for about 12 days. Sucks
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Haha, same and please share results of mania
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I can tell you that one day I'm like "Indys for life, fuck the rest bro". And I come home from work, comfortable in my decision. Probably even do a bit of reading while sipping a hot chocolate.

Next day, at work, maybe watch a Puig, Ishod, Dennis clip.. start pondering if I want to "know control" or not, then I feel like I DO want to know control, go home, switch my trucks. 

I think a lot of it is from not spending too much time on the board, so I'm over analyzing all of this shit instead of just skating. I go through this all week at work. It's part of my routine now
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Same. now Venture goes and gets a solid team and into the conversation...Just got a set of v-lights 5.6 and they are the VIBE on a short wb..

5.6 V-Hollows with Bones medium bottom/soft top on a short WB/2 finger width Primitive deck feels amazing. It's just the right vibe (like using ACEs on a 14.38 WB).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UPPERCASEnocap on November 27, 2019, 06:13:54 PM
Quote from: Xen on November 27, 2019, 05:21:29 PM
Quote from: UPPERCASEnocap on November 26, 2019, 01:00:52 PM
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I've been manic about thunders vs Indys for about 12 days. Sucks
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Haha, same and please share results of mania
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I can tell you that one day I'm like "Indys for life, fuck the rest bro". And I come home from work, comfortable in my decision. Probably even do a bit of reading while sipping a hot chocolate.

Next day, at work, maybe watch a Puig, Ishod, Dennis clip.. start pondering if I want to "know control" or not, then I feel like I DO want to know control, go home, switch my trucks. 

I think a lot of it is from not spending too much time on the board, so I'm over analyzing all of this shit instead of just skating. I go through this all week at work. It's part of my routine now
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Same. now Venture goes and gets a solid team and into the conversation...Just got a set of v-lights 5.6 and they are the VIBE on a short wb..
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5.6 V-Hollows with Bones medium bottom/soft top on a short WB/2 finger width Primitive deck feels amazing. It's just the right vibe (like using ACEs on a 14.38 WB).

I tried the stock bushings for a few sessions and just couldn't do it. Put a hard bones bottom and medium top in for todays session and it straightened those ventures attitude real quick. I have aces on a 14.353 creature. You're 100% correct. Very vibey. I'm also ruining a independent forged 144 setup on a 14.25 wb and also, very vibey.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on November 27, 2019, 06:52:01 PM
I want thunder 161 or Indy 169... ruled out ace I guess. just wheelbase fucking me up. Riding 14.25” with tensor atg ... feel like I need more wb for room .. thinking orange eagle w 169 .. polar 1991 with thunder 161?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on November 27, 2019, 07:56:20 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on November 27, 2019, 06:52:01 PM
I want thunder 161 or Indy 169... ruled out ace I guess. just wheelbase fucking me up. Riding 14.25” with tensor atg ... feel like I need more wb for room .. thinking orange eagle w 169 .. polar 1991 with thunder 161?

You want 151s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on November 27, 2019, 08:11:50 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on November 27, 2019, 07:56:20 PM
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I want thunder 161 or Indy 169... ruled out ace I guess. just wheelbase fucking me up. Riding 14.25” with tensor atg ... feel like I need more wb for room .. thinking orange eagle w 169 .. polar 1991 with thunder 161?
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You want 151s.
keep seeing consistently that they rule over all else. I’m kinda drunk so spitballin here a la Black Friday. Like the idea of pushed wb for thunder but 55mm+ wheel and risers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on November 27, 2019, 08:59:56 PM
Yeah you'll need risers. Kind of drunk also and just set up some 151s on a Gonz sweat pants. Its 9.8" but tapers to 8.75". Was going to get 161s but the local was slow to get them and I'm trying to support the local before I indulge in Black friday/ Cyber Monday online madness. Glad I did, they look sweet. Will see how it rides. New trucks are a challenge...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skart on November 27, 2019, 11:28:41 PM
Y'all sleepn on 6.1's
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on November 28, 2019, 03:30:23 AM
Quote from: Skatansfinest666 on November 27, 2019, 04:26:39 PM
So anyone know if it’ll work fine with bones hardcore medium bottom bushing no bottom Washer/ thunder aftermarket medium bushings (blue ones from rebuild kit) with bones bushing small washer? I’ve found out that bones bushing exact set up throws off the geometry of thunders and it makes a clicking sound when turning from side to side and I’ve heard if I do rock em still they’ll cause my pivot cups to blow out significantly faster and I just replaced them so not trying to have to order new ones again 🤷🏻‍♂️ What I got from all this tho is I love the feeling they give my thunder 149 hi they snap back really fast and straighten out nice and stable IMO it gives them a very independent like feel and turn or as close to this feeling as you can get when it comes to pop too along with turning and surfy-ness. I love everything about thunders besides their turning and that they have a slower feel to them when cruising and pushing than indys do. So I’m trying to replicate this feeling I get from the bones and as much of an Indy feel outta these thunders so if y’all got some bushing combos and promising set ups I’d be stoked to hear em!? Also I’ve got some mini logo 1/8” risers to replicate the height of my 149 stage 11 Indy hollows. So shoot the recommendations my way they’ll be welcomed with open arms 🤲🏼

The clicking/squeaking most likely isn't your bushings, it's your pivot cups. Thunders are kind of notorious for it. You can either invest in some softer aftermarket cups (riptide is kind of the "bones bushing" of the pivot cup world but khiro soft worked for me and were a fraction of the price) or just put some lubricant or wax in there. Automotive Grease works really well and lasts longer than speed cream or wax.

Trying to get Thunders to feel like Indys is a fool's errand. They're just different trucks. My personal go-to Thunder  bushing is the Indy 92a conical bushings (the blue ones), but thats partially because of availability. My favorite ones are the Venom SHR 91a (sort of dark burgundy color) which are more expensive and harder to find. The venoms are the same size/shape as stock Thunders and they come in a bunch of different duros and formulas, so if you want identical geometry to stock and don't mind paying a little more then that might be your best bet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on November 28, 2019, 04:25:40 AM
Quote from: Skart on November 27, 2019, 11:28:41 PM
Y'all sleepn on 6.1's
53.5mm high so same as thunders?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skart on November 28, 2019, 07:04:17 AM
Quote from: jay_nev on November 28, 2019, 04:25:40 AM
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Y'all sleepn on 6.1's
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53.5mm high so same as thunders?

Ignoring/accepting hight differences is the most freeing thing I've ever done in my life
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on November 28, 2019, 09:01:44 AM
Quote from: Skart on November 28, 2019, 07:04:17 AM
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Y'all sleepn on 6.1's
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53.5mm high so same as thunders?
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Ignoring/accepting hight differences is the most freeing thing I've ever done in my life
Cool. Why venture
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on November 28, 2019, 09:47:15 AM
Quote from: Skart on November 27, 2019, 11:28:41 PM
Y'all sleepn on 6.1's

Would love to try them, especially as they are reportedly a little higher but the local was taking too long to get them...

You tried them?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 28, 2019, 10:39:20 AM
Those new 161 Thunders look really nice. They thickened at the pivot point slightly so they’re a lil beefier but still have the more svelt hanger ends like the rest of their sizes. I prefer the Thunder/Ace aesthetic it’s different than some clunky looking Indy/Venture/Theeve hanger.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on November 28, 2019, 10:52:16 AM
"cracked ice" riptides for $11.86 + free shipping
https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/71509/riptide-cracked-ice-indy-pivot-cups
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Smartass on November 28, 2019, 11:30:22 AM
Quote from: anon on November 28, 2019, 10:52:16 AM
"cracked ice" riptides for $11.86 + free shipping
https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/71509/riptide-cracked-ice-indy-pivot-cups

Damn if I didn't just grab some regular ones off Daddies a couple days ago, I'd gladly jump on these.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skatansfinest666 on November 28, 2019, 01:33:58 PM
Damn will these for in my thunder 149 hi?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 28, 2019, 04:29:03 PM
Quote from: Skatansfinest666 on November 28, 2019, 01:33:58 PM
Damn will these for in my thunder 149 hi?

Yes, they will for just fine (I've used them in all the big brand trucks).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on November 28, 2019, 04:37:37 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on November 28, 2019, 10:39:20 AM
Those new 161 Thunders look really nice. They thickened at the pivot point slightly so they’re a lil beefier but still have the more svelt hanger ends like the rest of their sizes. I prefer the Thunder/Ace aesthetic it’s different than some clunky looking Indy/Venture/Theeve hanger.
the banner ads got me wanting
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on November 28, 2019, 06:38:57 PM
Currently either ride Ace 44 or 159, always intrigued by Thunder 151, but have always hated all their other sizes. I skate loose trucks, prefer 14.25wb, but that always feels that bit too short with Indys and Ace especially so I stick to 14.375-14.5. I ride 55mm+ wheels so Thunder has always been wheelbite city, obviously with some risers it gets a bit better. Want to try 151 with an 8.5 14.25wb.

Question is do the 151's skate any different to their other sizes? Mostly skate tranny, but being on the couch for the next few months healing up from some surgery, Ive gotten the itch to skate some more tech stuff, especially flip tricks which ive never put any time into in the past 10 years ive been skating. Still want to feel good on transition at the same time though

Is 151 what i'm looking for?? Or am I going to buy them and hate how light and brittle they feel like the other sizes?

Having madness even though I wont be skating for quite a while
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on November 28, 2019, 07:10:49 PM
yes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 28, 2019, 10:40:58 PM
Sounds like it's worth a shot.....I think they'll turn differently....maybe I'd try skating 54's while your at it....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beatifk on November 29, 2019, 05:02:25 AM
As someone who, for the past 10 years, has only skated indys and ace, what would you recommend for someone looking to dip their toes into a lighter/smaller setup?

I usually skate 8.5 (or 8.25 if I'm feeling like switching it up) with Ace 44 or Indy 149. I tend to put 54-56mm wheels and prefer conical shapes but like classics too.

I'm thinking thunder hollow lights 148 would be a good truck for me. I can try an 8" deck but can put them on an 8.25 if I feel like 8 is too narrow.

Would I be better off getting Indy titanium hollows? I really want to try something different so just buying a lighter "high-tech" version of the trucks I already have seems like a copout.

Anything else I should look at? I want to buy from the local shop so grind king or those tensors everyone seems to like these days are out of the picture.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on November 29, 2019, 06:24:02 AM
Quote from: beatifk on November 29, 2019, 05:02:25 AM
As someone who, for the past 10 years, has only skated indys and ace, what would you recommend for someone looking to dip their toes into a lighter/smaller setup?

I usually skate 8.5 (or 8.25 if I'm feeling like switching it up) with Ace 44 or Indy 149. I tend to put 54-56mm wheels and prefer conical shapes but like classics too.

I'm thinking thunder hollow lights 148 would be a good truck for me. I can try an 8" deck but can put them on an 8.25 if I feel like 8 is too narrow.

Would I be better off getting Indy titanium hollows? I really want to try something different so just buying a lighter "high-tech" version of the trucks I already have seems like a copout.

Anything else I should look at? I want to buy from the local shop so grind king or those tensors everyone seems to like these days are out of the picture.

I really like Thunder 148s as a versatile truck for boards 8-8.25, however I have always preferred Thunders and I always come back after trying other brands. That being said, they are vastly different from Indy/Ace. You may find yourself missing the height or smooth carving turn of Indy/Ace if you go to Thunder. Thunder's turn is more of a quick response but it does bottom out whereas Indy/Ace keeps turning. Another thing I think you might end up struggling with is wheelbite running 54-56mm wheels. I run 52-53mm and even on standard height Thunders I still get a fair amount of wheelbite if I'm skating sloppily. I would say if you want a lighter/smaller setup with Thunders you should look into downsizing your wheels too, and maybe ride a homie's board with Thunders to see if you can jive with their turning and pop because they really are going to be different than what you're used to.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beatifk on November 29, 2019, 06:30:23 AM
Quote from: baustin on November 29, 2019, 06:24:02 AM
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As someone who, for the past 10 years, has only skated indys and ace, what would you recommend for someone looking to dip their toes into a lighter/smaller setup?

I usually skate 8.5 (or 8.25 if I'm feeling like switching it up) with Ace 44 or Indy 149. I tend to put 54-56mm wheels and prefer conical shapes but like classics too.

I'm thinking thunder hollow lights 148 would be a good truck for me. I can try an 8" deck but can put them on an 8.25 if I feel like 8 is too narrow.

Would I be better off getting Indy titanium hollows? I really want to try something different so just buying a lighter "high-tech" version of the trucks I already have seems like a copout.

Anything else I should look at? I want to buy from the local shop so grind king or those tensors everyone seems to like these days are out of the picture.
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I really like Thunder 148s as a versatile truck for boards 8-8.25, however I have always preferred Thunders and I always come back after trying other brands. That being said, they are vastly different from Indy/Ace. You may find yourself missing the height or smooth carving turn of Indy/Ace if you go to Thunder. Thunder's turn is more of a quick response but it does bottom out whereas Indy/Ace keeps turning. Another thing I think you might end up struggling with is wheelbite running 54-56mm wheels. I run 52-53mm and even on standard height Thunders I still get a fair amount of wheelbite if I'm skating sloppily. I would say if you want a lighter/smaller setup with Thunders you should look into downsizing your wheels too, and maybe ride a homie's board with Thunders to see if you can jive with their turning and pop because they really are going to be different than what you're used to.

Sorry, I forgot to mention... I will be trying 52mm wheels on this new setup. I want to go smaller and lighter across the board.

And different is good. I want something different.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on November 29, 2019, 06:56:37 AM
Quote from: beatifk on November 29, 2019, 06:30:23 AM
Quote from: baustin on November 29, 2019, 06:24:02 AM
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Quote from: beatifk on November 29, 2019, 05:02:25 AM
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As someone who, for the past 10 years, has only skated indys and ace, what would you recommend for someone looking to dip their toes into a lighter/smaller setup?

I usually skate 8.5 (or 8.25 if I'm feeling like switching it up) with Ace 44 or Indy 149. I tend to put 54-56mm wheels and prefer conical shapes but like classics too.

I'm thinking thunder hollow lights 148 would be a good truck for me. I can try an 8" deck but can put them on an 8.25 if I feel like 8 is too narrow.

Would I be better off getting Indy titanium hollows? I really want to try something different so just buying a lighter "high-tech" version of the trucks I already have seems like a copout.

Anything else I should look at? I want to buy from the local shop so grind king or those tensors everyone seems to like these days are out of the picture.
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I really like Thunder 148s as a versatile truck for boards 8-8.25, however I have always preferred Thunders and I always come back after trying other brands. That being said, they are vastly different from Indy/Ace. You may find yourself missing the height or smooth carving turn of Indy/Ace if you go to Thunder. Thunder's turn is more of a quick response but it does bottom out whereas Indy/Ace keeps turning. Another thing I think you might end up struggling with is wheelbite running 54-56mm wheels. I run 52-53mm and even on standard height Thunders I still get a fair amount of wheelbite if I'm skating sloppily. I would say if you want a lighter/smaller setup with Thunders you should look into downsizing your wheels too, and maybe ride a homie's board with Thunders to see if you can jive with their turning and pop because they really are going to be different than what you're used to.
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Sorry, I forgot to mention... I will be trying 52mm wheels on this new setup. I want to go smaller and lighter across the board.

And different is good. I want something different.

Definitely go for it then, to me Thunders are unbeatable for a lighter technical truck (amazing pinch-ability on grinds) and they function just as well on transition and bigger stuff when you need them to.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 29, 2019, 12:20:18 PM
Quote from: beatifk on November 29, 2019, 05:02:25 AM
As someone who, for the past 10 years, has only skated indys and ace, what would you recommend for someone looking to dip their toes into a lighter/smaller setup?

I usually skate 8.5 (or 8.25 if I'm feeling like switching it up) with Ace 44 or Indy 149. I tend to put 54-56mm wheels and prefer conical shapes but like classics too.

I'm thinking thunder hollow lights 148 would be a good truck for me. I can try an 8" deck but can put them on an 8.25 if I feel like 8 is too narrow.

Would I be better off getting Indy titanium hollows? I really want to try something different so just buying a lighter "high-tech" version of the trucks I already have seems like a copout.

Anything else I should look at? I want to buy from the local shop so grind king or those tensors everyone seems to like these days are out of the picture.

Sounds like you've already narrowed it down. Since you've only ACE/Indy, and you want to try something different, the only logical choices are Thunder or Venture (stick with the hollow lites in case you hate them).

148/5.6/8.25" would be perfect - they work great on 8 all the way to 8.38; probably the most versatile size made.

If you do a lot of tail/nose slides Venture might work better for you due to the extended base plate and they are closer to Indy's than Thunders in terms of feel/ease of transition. I'm partial to Thunders but currently riding Ventures due to the marketing hype train =D

I also skate ACE (instead of Indy) when riding 8.3+ big wheel setups for transition and also have a more 'tech' setup when skating street (smaller width, smaller wheels and either ventures or thunders).

If you go thunder, leave the bushings stock, recommend bones for ventures over stock).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on November 29, 2019, 04:48:05 PM
Quote from: beatifk on November 29, 2019, 06:30:23 AM
Quote from: baustin on November 29, 2019, 06:24:02 AM
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Quote from: beatifk on November 29, 2019, 05:02:25 AM
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As someone who, for the past 10 years, has only skated indys and ace, what would you recommend for someone looking to dip their toes into a lighter/smaller setup?

I usually skate 8.5 (or 8.25 if I'm feeling like switching it up) with Ace 44 or Indy 149. I tend to put 54-56mm wheels and prefer conical shapes but like classics too.

I'm thinking thunder hollow lights 148 would be a good truck for me. I can try an 8" deck but can put them on an 8.25 if I feel like 8 is too narrow.

Would I be better off getting Indy titanium hollows? I really want to try something different so just buying a lighter "high-tech" version of the trucks I already have seems like a copout.

Anything else I should look at? I want to buy from the local shop so grind king or those tensors everyone seems to like these days are out of the picture.
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I really like Thunder 148s as a versatile truck for boards 8-8.25, however I have always preferred Thunders and I always come back after trying other brands. That being said, they are vastly different from Indy/Ace. You may find yourself missing the height or smooth carving turn of Indy/Ace if you go to Thunder. Thunder's turn is more of a quick response but it does bottom out whereas Indy/Ace keeps turning. Another thing I think you might end up struggling with is wheelbite running 54-56mm wheels. I run 52-53mm and even on standard height Thunders I still get a fair amount of wheelbite if I'm skating sloppily. I would say if you want a lighter/smaller setup with Thunders you should look into downsizing your wheels too, and maybe ride a homie's board with Thunders to see if you can jive with their turning and pop because they really are going to be different than what you're used to.
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Sorry, I forgot to mention... I will be trying 52mm wheels on this new setup. I want to go smaller and lighter across the board.

And different is good. I want something different.
Had the same mind set. I was skating mainly Indy's for like 10 years, tried Ace too. Wanted sth different, went the Krux way and I'm pretty happy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on November 29, 2019, 05:31:11 PM
i pulled the trigger on some 55s today for $36 at the local to try on my 9' eagle. have them stock at the minute, but have some worn in bones hardcores on standby. taking them to the park for a spin and i really hope i love them cause they look fucking great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on November 29, 2019, 07:12:45 PM
Noticed a store near me stocks Tracker... what stops Tracker from being a 'current' truck company? I don't hear anything about them in modern times, but they have seemed to stick around for this long so what are they doing wrong?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 29, 2019, 08:33:26 PM
Quote from: texasplant on November 29, 2019, 07:12:45 PM
Noticed a store near me stocks Tracker... what stops Tracker from being a 'current' truck company? I don't hear anything about them in modern times, but they have seemed to stick around for this long so what are they doing wrong?

Maybe some other views will chime in, I'm just going from 2nd hand story telling info. If you watch any of Grosso's LL episodes, Trackers are pretty universally agreed to have been durable but terrible trucks, in that they didn't turn. And of that time period always had an association with the "vari-bot" crowd. As for why they're not really considered an option now? They never really made any successful push beyond being a nostalgia brand. You could throw Gullwing in that category too but they at least have the BAKU guys repping them. I can't name anyone currently on Tracker and that's probably the reason right there.

Truck marketing, despite whatever technical advancement, is always gonna rely on who rides them. Theeve had an intense team when they started but that faltered almost as quickly as it came. Now they're rarely part of any truck conversation despite offering a lot of things people look for in a truck and actually having dealt with bad QC. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Slugboi22 on November 29, 2019, 08:45:32 PM
Quote from: off on November 29, 2019, 05:31:11 PM
i pulled the trigger on some 55s today for $36 at the local to try on my 9' eagle. have them stock at the minute, but have some worn in bones hardcores on standby. taking them to the park for a spin and i really hope i love them cause they look fucking great.
55s are some of the best trucks I’ve ever ridden. I could only imagine how good they’d feel on a 9 pop! Enjoy them dude!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 29, 2019, 11:20:24 PM
Need some quick input on Theeve 7.91 CSX trucks in terms of WB, weight and height, planning on riding it on 8" - 8.25" boards. Thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: B0udoir on November 29, 2019, 11:32:13 PM
Quote from: beatifk on November 29, 2019, 05:02:25 AM
I'm thinking thunder hollow lights 148 would be a good truck for me.

If you are coming from Indy/Aces and don't want to experience a radical change, maybe you could also think about Thunder Team editions. With a 1mm higher baseplate, all Thunders Team above 148 are higher than regular Aces, and it changes a lot about the wheelbite issue. Many people disagree with me, but I personally find that Team 148 and 149 have a similar turn as Aces 44s. However I don't like the "regular" Thunders, they're too low for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 01, 2019, 02:17:06 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 29, 2019, 11:20:24 PM
Need some quick input on Theeve 7.91 CSX trucks in terms of WB, weight and height, planning on riding it on 8" - 8.25" boards. Thanks!

CSX now come with hollow axle and pins, get them if you are concerned about weight.

Height, WB and weight are about the same as an (standard vs. standard) Indy of the same size.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on December 01, 2019, 07:17:58 PM
Quote from: B0udoir on November 29, 2019, 11:32:13 PM
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I'm thinking thunder hollow lights 148 would be a good truck for me.
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If you are coming from Indy/Aces and don't want to experience a radical change, maybe you could also think about Thunder Team editions. With a 1mm higher baseplate, all Thunders Team above 148 are higher than regular Aces, and it changes a lot about the wheelbite issue. Many people disagree with me, but I personally find that Team 148 and 149 have a similar turn as Aces 44s. However I don't like the "regular" Thunders, they're too low for me.

I like my 148 Titaniums more than my Indy Stage 10 139 Hollow forged, not exactly comparable trucks but the pop feel works much better for me since I usually pop hard for my tricks. The height is a happy medium, slightly taller than 147 and much higher than Venture Lows. I'm saving them for when I move up to bigger boards like those bigger than 8.25".
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on December 02, 2019, 12:20:17 AM
Quote from: texasplant on December 01, 2019, 10:03:54 PM
Can anyone post a photo of 55’s on an 8.5? Looking to run 56mm conical fulls but not sure if they will overhang too much. For reference I prefer 159 on 8.5 so a little overhang is good.

55's too heavy/wide on an 8.5? Sick of 44's feeling tippy even with 3 washers on the inside. Anyone have any opinions on this? Would test it myself but I'm injured so I can't skate/set my board up with one working arm haha.

Also planning to strip the 55s back to raw as they’re black, is regular paint stripper fine?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on December 02, 2019, 03:08:38 AM
Quote from: texasplant on December 02, 2019, 12:20:17 AM
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Can anyone post a photo of 55’s on an 8.5? Looking to run 56mm conical fulls but not sure if they will overhang too much. For reference I prefer 159 on 8.5 so a little overhang is good.
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55's too heavy/wide on an 8.5? Sick of 44's feeling tippy even with 3 washers on the inside. Anyone have any opinions on this? Would test it myself but I'm injured so I can't skate/set my board up with one working arm haha.

Also planning to strip the 55s back to raw as they’re black, is regular paint stripper fine?
I had 55 on an 8.5 and it looked like Frankenstein. Not my cup of tea for sure.
Regarding "rawing" your trucks you'll be ok with classic paint remover but use gloves and do it outside. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on December 02, 2019, 04:37:31 AM
Quote from: moonordie on December 02, 2019, 03:08:38 AM
Quote from: texasplant on December 02, 2019, 12:20:17 AM
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Quote from: texasplant on December 01, 2019, 10:03:54 PM
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Can anyone post a photo of 55’s on an 8.5? Looking to run 56mm conical fulls but not sure if they will overhang too much. For reference I prefer 159 on 8.5 so a little overhang is good.
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55's too heavy/wide on an 8.5? Sick of 44's feeling tippy even with 3 washers on the inside. Anyone have any opinions on this? Would test it myself but I'm injured so I can't skate/set my board up with one working arm haha.

Also planning to strip the 55s back to raw as they’re black, is regular paint stripper fine?
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I had 55 on an 8.5 and it looked like Frankenstein. Not my cup of tea for sure.
Regarding "rawing" your trucks you'll be ok with classic paint remover but use gloves and do it outside.

+ safety goggles
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on December 02, 2019, 04:49:34 AM
Quote from: ultrabra on December 02, 2019, 04:37:31 AM
Quote from: moonordie on December 02, 2019, 03:08:38 AM
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Quote from: texasplant on December 02, 2019, 12:20:17 AM
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Quote from: texasplant on December 01, 2019, 10:03:54 PM
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Can anyone post a photo of 55’s on an 8.5? Looking to run 56mm conical fulls but not sure if they will overhang too much. For reference I prefer 159 on 8.5 so a little overhang is good.
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55's too heavy/wide on an 8.5? Sick of 44's feeling tippy even with 3 washers on the inside. Anyone have any opinions on this? Would test it myself but I'm injured so I can't skate/set my board up with one working arm haha.

Also planning to strip the 55s back to raw as they’re black, is regular paint stripper fine?
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I had 55 on an 8.5 and it looked like Frankenstein. Not my cup of tea for sure.
Regarding "rawing" your trucks you'll be ok with classic paint remover but use gloves and do it outside.
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+ safety goggles
Please don't forget that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on December 02, 2019, 04:50:50 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/dU5o3Qsl.jpg)
Took me like 20 mins
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on December 03, 2019, 08:55:18 AM
so i just got free indy 169s from the warranty and they're definitely the newer ones. they have bushings that look and feel almost exactly like supercush except the indy ones have those rib things and the bottom bushing is 1mm shorter. super cush bottom = 14mm, indy bottom = 13. compared to the old stock bushings, they seem to be a bit brighter shade of orange and the top bushing is 1mm shorter. old indy = 11mm, new indy =10mm.

picture of the rib things
(https://i.imgur.com/f6LcYlV.jpg)

the pivot cups have also changed. they now have a rounded edge, just like the indy aftermarket cups. they feel harder than old stock/indy aftermarket cups. the new stock cups look and feel like they're made out of the plastic used in the interior of newer cars.

(https://i.imgur.com/L6nRKG3.jpg)

also, ive noticed that the hanger cavity has changed a bit. the new hanger fits the bushings way better than the old hanger.

new stage 11
(https://i.imgur.com/MzvYrew.jpg)

old stage 11
(https://i.imgur.com/kPTTV3F.jpg)

this could mean that the new ones are actually stage 12s, much like how indy sold stage 11s at the tail end of the stage 10 production run, so maybe the geometry is a bit different? idk. 

i rode them for a bit when i went shopping for groceries and they felt fucking great. ive been riding theeve csx 6.5s and the new indys turn almost exactly like them, except they dont wheelbite as much. they feel very responsive and stable and im very pleased with them. i rode the indys completely stock and the theeves with indy aftermarket 90a conicals with the bottom washer only and the nut tightened enough so they dont rattle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on December 03, 2019, 09:04:00 AM
Quote from: Xen on December 01, 2019, 02:17:06 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 29, 2019, 11:20:24 PM
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Need some quick input on Theeve 7.91 CSX trucks in terms of WB, weight and height, planning on riding it on 8" - 8.25" boards. Thanks!
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CSX now come with hollow axle and pins, get them if you are concerned about weight.

Height, WB and weight are about the same as an (standard vs. standard) Indy of the same size.
theeve csx is about 51mm tall while standard indys are about 55mm. the wheelbase is way shorter than indy, in fact, its even shorter than ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 03, 2019, 09:40:23 AM
Yep, all the China Indy hate and yet they’re the best I’ve had besides old stage 7’s. I just got some Thunder 161’s though, so I’ll be trying these out stock at an indoor bowl soon. Will report back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Yesterdays-pop on December 03, 2019, 09:52:10 AM
Anyone considering anything besides Indy should get these
https://www.ebay.com/i/183962744381?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=183962744381&targetid=595232418229&device=m&mktype=pla&googleloc=9021717&poi=&campaignid=2086170148&mkgroupid=76790091749&rlsatarget=aud-622027676548:pla-595232418229&abcId=1141016&merchantid=119150759&gclid=CjwKCAiArJjvBRACEiwA-Wiqq7xW7-Dp2q2CIB_9YYx0NgIcfMf39I9aJ5RPjF7IJNRCA9TJ6K0I-RoCML8QAvD_BwE
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 03, 2019, 10:30:47 AM
Quote from: I AM on December 03, 2019, 09:04:00 AM
Quote from: Xen on December 01, 2019, 02:17:06 PM
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Quote from: rocklobster on November 29, 2019, 11:20:24 PM
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Need some quick input on Theeve 7.91 CSX trucks in terms of WB, weight and height, planning on riding it on 8" - 8.25" boards. Thanks!
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CSX now come with hollow axle and pins, get them if you are concerned about weight.

Height, WB and weight are about the same as an (standard vs. standard) Indy of the same size.
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theeve csx is about 51mm tall while standard indys are about 55mm. the wheelbase is way shorter than indy, in fact, its even shorter than ace.

...Height, WB and weight are about the same...

Theeve claim 55mm, measurements to back yours up? I've always thought they were a bit lower but didn't break out the tools to check as to me, they are close enough.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I AM on December 03, 2019, 11:19:13 AM
Quote from: Xen on December 03, 2019, 10:30:47 AM
Quote from: I AM on December 03, 2019, 09:04:00 AM
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Quote from: Xen on December 01, 2019, 02:17:06 PM
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Quote from: rocklobster on November 29, 2019, 11:20:24 PM
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Need some quick input on Theeve 7.91 CSX trucks in terms of WB, weight and height, planning on riding it on 8" - 8.25" boards. Thanks!
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CSX now come with hollow axle and pins, get them if you are concerned about weight.

Height, WB and weight are about the same as an (standard vs. standard) Indy of the same size.
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theeve csx is about 51mm tall while standard indys are about 55mm. the wheelbase is way shorter than indy, in fact, its even shorter than ace.
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...Height, WB and weight are about the same...

Theeve claim 55mm, measurements to back yours up? I've always thought they were a bit lower but didn't break out the tools to check as to me, they are close enough.
i got those measurements from this guy : http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2013/08/photos-and-specifications-of-new-theeve.html?m=1
he also has the weight on there, if you're curious.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on December 03, 2019, 01:31:46 PM
I'm suffering hardcore truck madness now. Pray for me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on December 03, 2019, 02:19:29 PM
Quote from: moonordie on December 03, 2019, 01:31:46 PM
I'm suffering hardcore truck madness now. Pray for me

You might have to do what I did and just stick your #1 go to trucks back on and give all your excess trucks away at your local park. You'll feel good about turning your over consumption into a positive thing and helping others.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 03, 2019, 03:50:40 PM
Quote from: moonordie on December 03, 2019, 01:31:46 PM
I'm suffering hardcore truck madness now. Pray for me

do yourself a favor a get far away from this thread
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on December 03, 2019, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: off on December 03, 2019, 03:50:40 PM
Quote from: moonordie on December 03, 2019, 01:31:46 PM
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I'm suffering hardcore truck madness now. Pray for me
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do yourself a favor a get far away from this thread
I wish I could. I need professional help.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on December 03, 2019, 05:03:14 PM
Quote from: moonordie on December 03, 2019, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: off on December 03, 2019, 03:50:40 PM
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Quote from: moonordie on December 03, 2019, 01:31:46 PM
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I'm suffering hardcore truck madness now. Pray for me
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do yourself a favor a get far away from this thread
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I wish I could. I need professional help.

Wish I could help, I got infected too. Telling myself to stuck to the 3 big brands only for now. The lack of Ace and Theeve trucks in my region is helping, somewhat. But wheels, damn Spitfire and Bones for their effective marketing for making me buy shit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 03, 2019, 06:34:31 PM
Theeves are sick, short of having to maybe get new bushings, no problem.  ACEs if you like carving and turning are great trucks too....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 03, 2019, 07:20:28 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 03, 2019, 06:34:31 PM
Theeves are sick, short of having to maybe get new bushings, no problem.  ACEs if you like carving and turning are great trucks too....

It's too bad they fucked themselves with the shitty quality control way back, they never bounced back (at least stateside). Clearly they are still making enough money to make new runs; guessing down under they still see good sales.

Without them we wouldn't have TI anything I'm betting. And without Theeve and ACE we might not have seen Stage XIs when we did.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on December 04, 2019, 12:53:32 AM
Quote from: off on December 03, 2019, 03:50:40 PM
Quote from: moonordie on December 03, 2019, 01:31:46 PM
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I'm suffering hardcore truck madness now. Pray for me
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do yourself a favor a get far away from this thread

I came here for guidance originally. Was like pouring a bucket of petrol on a small contained fire.
Thankfully I'm not rich enough to start paying $14 for pivot cups. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on December 04, 2019, 01:58:51 AM
Quote from: Jollyoli on December 04, 2019, 12:53:32 AM
Quote from: off on December 03, 2019, 03:50:40 PM
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Quote from: moonordie on December 03, 2019, 01:31:46 PM
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I'm suffering hardcore truck madness now. Pray for me
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do yourself a favor a get far away from this thread
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I came here for guidance originally. Was like pouring a bucket of petrol on a small contained fire.
Thankfully I'm not rich enough to start paying $14 for pivot cups.

Skip eating for a few days and soon you too could be the owner of some fresh buttery ass pivot cups.  ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on December 04, 2019, 06:08:57 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 03, 2019, 09:40:23 AM
Yep, all the China Indy hate and yet they’re the best I’ve had besides old stage 7’s. I just got some Thunder 161’s though, so I’ll be trying these out stock at an indoor bowl soon. Will report back.

Same I just got some Indy 149s and they feel great. My pop is kinda fucked coming off thunders but that’s on me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on December 04, 2019, 07:54:12 AM
Does Anyone have any idea on how to prevent baseplate holes from warping? Tightening up hardware usually helps prevent my trucks from sliding around but I had to retire a pair of trucks before because the warp was bad and doing a grind would make them crooked even with tight hardware.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on December 04, 2019, 07:57:36 AM
Quote from: Paperclip20 on December 04, 2019, 07:54:12 AM
Does Anyone have any idea on how to prevent baseplate holes from warping? Tightening up hardware usually helps prevent my trucks from sliding around but I had to retire a pair of trucks before because the warp was bad and doing a grind would make them crooked even with tight hardware.
I like to put griptape on the bottom of my baseplates so that they don't slide as much.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on December 04, 2019, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: Paperclip20 on December 04, 2019, 07:54:12 AM
Does Anyone have any idea on how to prevent baseplate holes from warping? Tightening up hardware usually helps prevent my trucks from sliding around but I had to retire a pair of trucks before because the warp was bad and doing a grind would make them crooked even with tight hardware.

Run longer hardware. That 7/8" shit always comes loose if you have cast plates and skate anything rough.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on December 04, 2019, 09:54:41 AM
Quote from: Paperclip20 on December 04, 2019, 07:54:12 AM
Does Anyone have any idea on how to prevent baseplate holes from warping? Tightening up hardware usually helps prevent my trucks from sliding around but I had to retire a pair of trucks before because the warp was bad and doing a grind would make them crooked even with tight hardware.

Tighten the hardware before and after every session a smidge.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on December 04, 2019, 12:55:41 PM
Quote from: TwisT on November 27, 2019, 01:58:54 PM
Anyone mess with switchmade gold bushings. Their whole gimmick is that they always return to straight

https://www.instagram.com/p/B4GzhuRBjs_/?igshid=c07y0yf87vsx

I too am curious about this, but I assume they just do one generic shape that might not work that great for something like a thunder.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on December 04, 2019, 01:08:47 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on December 04, 2019, 12:55:41 PM
Quote from: TwisT on November 27, 2019, 01:58:54 PM
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Anyone mess with switchmade gold bushings. Their whole gimmick is that they always return to straight

https://www.instagram.com/p/B4GzhuRBjs_/?igshid=c07y0yf87vsx
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I too am curious about this, but I assume they just do one generic shape that might not work that great for something like a thunder.
i wouldnt buy switchmade because i dont want to support micky papa.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on December 04, 2019, 02:10:16 PM
Quote from: Paperclip20 on December 04, 2019, 07:54:12 AM
Does Anyone have any idea on how to prevent baseplate holes from warping? Tightening up hardware usually helps prevent my trucks from sliding around but I had to retire a pair of trucks before because the warp was bad and doing a grind would make them crooked even with tight hardware.
If their already warped run a small washer under the nut to evenly disperse the pressure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on December 04, 2019, 02:20:23 PM
Quote from: pointandclick on December 04, 2019, 01:08:47 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on December 04, 2019, 12:55:41 PM
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Quote from: TwisT on November 27, 2019, 01:58:54 PM
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Anyone mess with switchmade gold bushings. Their whole gimmick is that they always return to straight

https://www.instagram.com/p/B4GzhuRBjs_/?igshid=c07y0yf87vsx
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I too am curious about this, but I assume they just do one generic shape that might not work that great for something like a thunder.
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i wouldnt buy switchmade because i dont want to support micky papa.
Oh, I didn’t realize that was his company. I’m good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mr. Stinky on December 04, 2019, 02:41:38 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 03, 2019, 09:40:23 AM
Yep, all the China Indy hate and yet they’re the best I’ve had besides old stage 7’s. I just got some Thunder 161’s though, so I’ll be trying these out stock at an indoor bowl soon. Will report back.

I am also back to Indies  (159 forged hollows) after bending an Ace 55 and I once again find myself in the "Aces are good but so are Indies and either one is honestly fine with me" camp, but with the edge to Indies.  The Aces feel so firm and stable in turns it's almost unrealistic, but they bend.  Indies, for their part, are much bouncier feeling but they turn just as sharp and don't bend.  Throw in that they're also lighter, don't have so many problems with axles being off center in the hanger, you can get them with forged plates, etc., I mean, it honestly becomes hard to stay too attached to Aces for the turn alone. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on December 04, 2019, 03:17:02 PM
I finally left the Indy camp, I never thought I would say this but I'm pretty happy with Krux
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Woos on December 04, 2019, 03:37:53 PM
Quote from: moonordie on December 04, 2019, 03:17:02 PM
I finally left the Indy camp, I never thought I would say this but I'm pretty happy with Krux

What Indies did you ride and what Krux did you get?  What do you like about the Krux?  The DLK is sweet but other than that I personally don't know the advantage they have over Indy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skatansfinest666 on December 04, 2019, 03:43:06 PM
Quote from: pointandclick on December 04, 2019, 01:08:47 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on December 04, 2019, 12:55:41 PM
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Quote from: TwisT on November 27, 2019, 01:58:54 PM
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Anyone mess with switchmade gold bushings. Their whole gimmick is that they always return to straight

https://www.instagram.com/p/B4GzhuRBjs_/?igshid=c07y0yf87vsx
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I too am curious about this, but I assume they just do one generic shape that might not work that great for something like a thunder.
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i wouldnt buy switchmade because i dont want to support micky papa.

Hahaha Micky papa is too fucking lame! I’m right there with you!😂😂😂
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skatansfinest666 on December 04, 2019, 03:49:36 PM
Indy 149 & 159 hollows
Old warn in Indy aftermarket bushings mediums  (about 1 year old)
No bottom washer & top bones hardcore bushing washer
Spitfire F4 full conical 99a 56mm
Hard luck 6 ball bearings (IMO best bearings for being on the cheaper end of the spectrum/ cost 20$ usd and have easily lasted 6 months)

 p.s. I don’t ever maintain my bearings I’m really bad with this never lube em or clean em unless I’m changing wheels and I’ll do a quick wipe of dirt and surface rust but that’s about it 🤷🏻‍♂️. However I will state the nicer and more pricey the bearings the more I’ll baby em (ceramics I.e,)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on December 04, 2019, 03:53:50 PM
Quote from: Woos on December 04, 2019, 03:37:53 PM
Quote from: moonordie on December 04, 2019, 03:17:02 PM
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I finally left the Indy camp, I never thought I would say this but I'm pretty happy with Krux
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What Indies did you ride and what Krux did you get?  What do you like about the Krux?  The DLK is sweet but other than that I personally don't know the advantage they have over Indy.
I was skating 149 forged hollow. Now I'm with Nora's pro truck, of course I took out that damn graphic with paint remover. I believe they're called V4.
For me they're like the perfect medium between Indy and Thunder. With thunder, because of wheelbite, I'll slam. With indy, because of better turning, I won't get wheelbite hence I can roll away. Krux turning is different, maybe "less good", and because of that pop feels better and I won't get that wheelbite that I get with thunder. They just have a different turn radius than Indy's, they work great for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Woos on December 04, 2019, 08:36:46 PM
Quote from: moonordie on December 04, 2019, 03:53:50 PM
Quote from: Woos on December 04, 2019, 03:37:53 PM
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Quote from: moonordie on December 04, 2019, 03:17:02 PM
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I finally left the Indy camp, I never thought I would say this but I'm pretty happy with Krux
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What Indies did you ride and what Krux did you get?  What do you like about the Krux?  The DLK is sweet but other than that I personally don't know the advantage they have over Indy.
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I was skating 149 forged hollow. Now I'm with Nora's pro truck, of course I took out that damn graphic with paint remover. I believe they're called V4.
For me they're like the perfect medium between Indy and Thunder. With thunder, because of wheelbite, I'll slam. With indy, because of better turning, I won't get wheelbite hence I can roll away. Krux turning is different, maybe "less good", and because of that pop feels better and I won't get that wheelbite that I get with thunder. They just have a different turn radius than Indy's, they work great for me.

Yo... sounds like my kind of truck but a little taller than I’d like.  What’s the wheelbase like on them?  I thought it was the same as Indy but if it’s between Thunder and Indy I’ll need to try some.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 04, 2019, 08:45:44 PM
Was able to skate my Thunder 161’s for the first time today. I’m running 56mm wheels on them and just the stock bushings and washers. They’re 1mm taller than the Team 148-151 sizes, so 53mm. Weather was really cold so I feel like it wasn’t the best chance to get a proper feel for them. At first they were super snappy and carvy, but I was almost getting pitched from wheelbite. Then, probably moreso due to the weather, they began to stiffen up and I had less wheelbite and kinda felt like I lost the snappy turn feel a tiny bit. Just did slappies and carved around.

I don’t know, I feel like I really don’t notice such a drastic difference between Indy, Ace, and Thunder these days, as I used to think there was. They all turn pretty quick when you need them to, and feel nice and carvy. I’ve taken Ace off my radar as the QC was consistently bad, and I like the look of these 161 Thunders so I’m just gonna roll with them till I hit axle or they prematurely break, but I’ve never had issues with them before. Thunders are a truck that aren’t underrated or overrated, they’re just solid and reliable proper trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 04, 2019, 09:27:30 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 04, 2019, 08:45:44 PM
Was able to skate my Thunder 161’s for the first time today. I’m running 56mm wheels on them and just the stock bushings and washers. They’re 1mm taller than the Team 148-151 sizes, so 53mm. Weather was really cold so I feel like it wasn’t the best chance to get a proper feel for them. At first they were super snappy and carvy, but I was almost getting pitched from wheelbite. Then, probably moreso due to the weather, they began to stiffen up and I had less wheelbite and kinda felt like I lost the snappy turn feel a tiny bit. Just did slappies and carved around.

I don’t know, I feel like I really don’t notice such a drastic difference between Indy, Ace, and Thunder these days, as I used to think there was. They all turn pretty quick when you need them to, and feel nice and carvy. I’ve taken Ace off my radar as the QC was consistently bad, and I like the look of these 161 Thunders so I’m just gonna roll with them till I hit axle or they prematurely break, but I’ve never had issues with them before. Thunders are a truck that aren’t underrated or overrated, they’re just solid and reliable proper trucks.

Honestly on the street any of them will work just fine, it just depends on how and what you skate (loose vs tight Tech vs Hesh, etc).

The only place I feel the gap widen is in bowls.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on December 04, 2019, 09:49:38 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 04, 2019, 09:27:30 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 04, 2019, 08:45:44 PM
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Was able to skate my Thunder 161’s for the first time today. I’m running 56mm wheels on them and just the stock bushings and washers. They’re 1mm taller than the Team 148-151 sizes, so 53mm. Weather was really cold so I feel like it wasn’t the best chance to get a proper feel for them. At first they were super snappy and carvy, but I was almost getting pitched from wheelbite. Then, probably moreso due to the weather, they began to stiffen up and I had less wheelbite and kinda felt like I lost the snappy turn feel a tiny bit. Just did slappies and carved around.

I don’t know, I feel like I really don’t notice such a drastic difference between Indy, Ace, and Thunder these days, as I used to think there was. They all turn pretty quick when you need them to, and feel nice and carvy. I’ve taken Ace off my radar as the QC was consistently bad, and I like the look of these 161 Thunders so I’m just gonna roll with them till I hit axle or they prematurely break, but I’ve never had issues with them before. Thunders are a truck that aren’t underrated or overrated, they’re just solid and reliable proper trucks.
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Honestly on the street any of them will work just fine, it just depends on how and what you skate (loose vs tight Tech vs Hesh, etc).

The only place I feel the gap widen is in bowls.

I feel like this too. Skating ledges ect feel better on Thunders, even though I skate 90% transition. I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on 151's but I don't want to hinder my tranny skating. I do want to skate more tech stuff lately.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 04, 2019, 11:21:41 PM
Wait....if all these trucks....'work'.....you saying it's just us? 

Koo-koo?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 05, 2019, 12:19:43 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 04, 2019, 11:21:41 PM
Wait....if all these trucks....'work'.....you saying it's just us? 

Koo-koo?

I think the answer to the primary question of what trucks are for you

How does it pop

I think about it a lot cause I’m crazy

But honestly

I think you can adjust any truck to turn the way you want eventually but how it feels is only obtainable finding which one is your pop

Height and the way it’s geo/turn radius are factors but those just basically equate to

How does the pop feel for you

Indy lows, thunder 147, venture low, and mini logo are in the 48-50mm height profile but they all pop differently

I’m just saying all this bs to justify my preference for royals and mini logos

I might look like a kook for riding them but for the way I’ve adjusted my skating from the beginning they work best for me cause I can’t fight that I was always a low truck fast pop guy

I just love that quick tail to ground response
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on December 05, 2019, 12:53:43 AM
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Wait....if all these trucks....'work'.....you saying it's just us? 

Koo-koo?
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I think the answer to the primary question of what trucks are for you

How does it pop

I think about it a lot cause I’m crazy

But honestly

I think you can adjust any truck to turn the way you want eventually but how it feels is only obtainable finding which one is your pop

Height and the way it’s geo/turn radius are factors but those just basically equate to

How does the pop feel for you

Indy lows, thunder 147, venture low, and mini logo are in the 48-50mm height profile but they all pop differently

I’m just saying all this bs to justify my preference for royals and mini logos

I might look like a kook for riding them but for the way I’ve adjusted my skating from the beginning they work best for me cause I can’t fight that I was always a low truck fast pop guy

I just love that quick tail to ground response

Aces pop the worst for me (compared to Venture, Thunder and Indy) but they’re still my trucks due to the turn and control and overall predictability. Why the pop is worse than on Ventures for example, I do not understand. Tried both with several different decks and Ventures always seem to have nicer pop. Logically thinking I can’t see a reason why you couldn’t get the exact same pop from Aces with what you can get from Ventures with the correct tail/nose & wheelbase measurements. 🤔 Granted, height plays a role here too but I don’t think it’s such a big factor really and could possibly be mitigated with tail/nose design.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 05, 2019, 01:40:08 AM
Quote from: Roisto on December 05, 2019, 12:53:43 AM

Aces pop the worst for me (compared to Venture, Thunder and Indy) but they’re still my trucks due to the turn and control and overall predictability. Why the pop is worse than on Ventures for example, I do not understand. Tried both with several different decks and Ventures always seem to have nicer pop. Logically thinking I can’t see a reason why you couldn’t get the exact same pop from Aces with what you can get from Ventures with the correct tail/nose & wheelbase measurements. 🤔 Granted, height plays a role here too but I don’t think it’s such a big factor really and could possibly be mitigated with tail/nose design.

For me, truck brand and pop is relative to where you put your foot on your tail to ollie. If you're a dude who rides the tip of the tail, Venture/Thunders are going to make more sense. If you're more in the pocket, Ace/Indy. It's not hard science by any means, but think about it like a fulcrum point or a teeter-totter, there's a balance between where the fulcrum point is and the amount of pressure you apply to it. Ace's suck the wheelbase in so far that if you're popping off the tip of the tail, your timing will be off relative to when the tail hits the ground, how hard you're stomping etc. At the other end, if you pop in the pocket and you ride Ventures, the wheelbase being extended so far, you might be having to exert way more force than you should be. Again, all soft science, but something to keep in mind. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on December 05, 2019, 02:51:27 AM
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I finally left the Indy camp, I never thought I would say this but I'm pretty happy with Krux
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What Indies did you ride and what Krux did you get?  What do you like about the Krux?  The DLK is sweet but other than that I personally don't know the advantage they have over Indy.
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I was skating 149 forged hollow. Now I'm with Nora's pro truck, of course I took out that damn graphic with paint remover. I believe they're called V4.
For me they're like the perfect medium between Indy and Thunder. With thunder, because of wheelbite, I'll slam. With indy, because of better turning, I won't get wheelbite hence I can roll away. Krux turning is different, maybe "less good", and because of that pop feels better and I won't get that wheelbite that I get with thunder. They just have a different turn radius than Indy's, they work great for me.
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Yo... sounds like my kind of truck but a little taller than I’d like.  What’s the wheelbase like on them?  I thought it was the same as Indy but if it’s between Thunder and Indy I’ll need to try some.
Regarding WB I measured and it's almost nothing less than Indy, I would say is the same and probable my measuring tape moved like 0.125mm or sth as little as that. Regarding height probably you can try like 1or 2mm smaller wheels than usual.
I always read 50/50 regarding Krux. They're awesome or they're utter shit. And from people I know who skated always good thing so I was really eager to give them a try. Glad I did + they have many sizes including a size 9
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on December 05, 2019, 03:10:06 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 04, 2019, 11:21:41 PM
Wait....if all these trucks....'work'.....you saying it's just us? 

Koo-koo?

You're tripping man. You suggesting I suck at Skateboarding because I lack the necessary dexterity, agility and propreception? And that the gear doesn't matter?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on December 05, 2019, 04:44:54 AM
Quote from: palelight on December 05, 2019, 01:40:08 AM
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Aces pop the worst for me (compared to Venture, Thunder and Indy) but they’re still my trucks due to the turn and control and overall predictability. Why the pop is worse than on Ventures for example, I do not understand. Tried both with several different decks and Ventures always seem to have nicer pop. Logically thinking I can’t see a reason why you couldn’t get the exact same pop from Aces with what you can get from Ventures with the correct tail/nose & wheelbase measurements. 🤔 Granted, height plays a role here too but I don’t think it’s such a big factor really and could possibly be mitigated with tail/nose design.
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For me, truck brand and pop is relative to where you put your foot on your tail to ollie. If you're a dude who rides the tip of the tail, Venture/Thunders are going to make more sense. If you're more in the pocket, Ace/Indy. It's not hard science by any means, but think about it like a fulcrum point or a teeter-totter, there's a balance between where the fulcrum point is and the amount of pressure you apply to it. Ace's suck the wheelbase in so far that if you're popping off the tip of the tail, your timing will be off relative to when the tail hits the ground, how hard you're stomping etc. At the other end, if you pop in the pocket and you ride Ventures, the wheelbase being extended so far, you might be having to exert way more force than you should be. Again, all soft science, but something to keep in mind.

There’s definitely something to that. Clearly noticeable difference in pop by changing your foot placement. I just changed my board after a few months from a 6.72” tail one to one that has a 6.5” tail and I’m having a really hard time adjusting to the pop. Also simultaneously changed my worn out wheels (around 50 mm) to new ones (54 mm).

Since breaking my leg a few years back I’ve had trouble getting my skating back. I was never good or had good pop. It took a good while but in general I am now back at where I was and partially even better but what has happened is that I seem to dig Aces with long tails and popping off the tip which suggests that I might still have some more pop strengthening to do. 🤔 Or then I just need to get used to the shorter tail and stop being a bitch. 😊

Anyway this is an interesting consideration for sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on December 05, 2019, 05:09:52 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 04, 2019, 08:45:44 PM
Was able to skate my Thunder 161’s for the first time today. I’m running 56mm wheels on them and just the stock bushings and washers. They’re 1mm taller than the Team 148-151 sizes, so 53mm. Weather was really cold so I feel like it wasn’t the best chance to get a proper feel for them. At first they were super snappy and carvy, but I was almost getting pitched from wheelbite. Then, probably moreso due to the weather, they began to stiffen up and I had less wheelbite and kinda felt like I lost the snappy turn feel a tiny bit. Just did slappies and carved around.

I don’t know, I feel like I really don’t notice such a drastic difference between Indy, Ace, and Thunder these days, as I used to think there was. They all turn pretty quick when you need them to, and feel nice and carvy. I’ve taken Ace off my radar as the QC was consistently bad, and I like the look of these 161 Thunders so I’m just gonna roll with them till I hit axle or they prematurely break, but I’ve never had issues with them before. Thunders are a truck that aren’t underrated or overrated, they’re just solid and reliable proper trucks.
was the temp in the 30's? 1/8" risers? 
I was close to grabbing the 161's but I instead went indy 169. Haven't seen much here about the 161s yet, I'm taller/heavier and wanted some more height, 55mm for the indys. Keep me updated on your thoughts on how they break in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 05, 2019, 05:27:03 AM
No risers, I really don’t like risers. I’m gonna try another outdoor sesh today. Should be the same temp but less windy (40ish F). Indoor here costs $14 and money is tight. Slappying sounds better anyways 🤘🏻.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on December 05, 2019, 06:04:38 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on December 05, 2019, 03:10:06 AM
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Wait....if all these trucks....'work'.....you saying it's just us? 

Koo-koo?
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You're tripping man. You suggesting I suck at Skateboarding because I lack the necessary dexterity, agility and propreception? And that the gear doesn't matter?

Whoa-whoa-whoa there buddy, pump the brakes. It's defo the gear, now just calm down and let me tell you all about these carbon fiber speed washers I have that make my fakie flips pop real good....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on December 05, 2019, 06:28:59 AM
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Wait....if all these trucks....'work'.....you saying it's just us? 

Koo-koo?
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You're tripping man. You suggesting I suck at Skateboarding because I lack the necessary dexterity, agility and propreception? And that the gear doesn't matter?
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Whoa-whoa-whoa there buddy, pump the brakes. It's defo the gear, now just calm down and let me tell you all about these carbon fiber speed washers I have that make my fakie flips pop real good....
I just blame the shoes or board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on December 05, 2019, 06:41:55 AM
Quote from: Jollyoli on December 05, 2019, 06:04:38 AM
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Wait....if all these trucks....'work'.....you saying it's just us? 

Koo-koo?
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You're tripping man. You suggesting I suck at Skateboarding because I lack the necessary dexterity, agility and propreception? And that the gear doesn't matter?
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Whoa-whoa-whoa there buddy, pump the brakes. It's defo the gear, now just calm down and let me tell you all about these carbon fiber speed washers I have that make my fakie flips pop real good....

Give me 20, I'll pay double. You got any of that new hollow bolts? Trying to lighten my setup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ok boomer on December 05, 2019, 07:42:20 AM
Any idea when stage XII is going to happen? Been a while since XI came out, already scared of change.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on December 05, 2019, 08:46:04 AM
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Was able to skate my Thunder 161’s for the first time today. I’m running 56mm wheels on them and just the stock bushings and washers. They’re 1mm taller than the Team 148-151 sizes, so 53mm. Weather was really cold so I feel like it wasn’t the best chance to get a proper feel for them. At first they were super snappy and carvy, but I was almost getting pitched from wheelbite. Then, probably moreso due to the weather, they began to stiffen up and I had less wheelbite and kinda felt like I lost the snappy turn feel a tiny bit. Just did slappies and carved around.

I don’t know, I feel like I really don’t notice such a drastic difference between Indy, Ace, and Thunder these days, as I used to think there was. They all turn pretty quick when you need them to, and feel nice and carvy. I’ve taken Ace off my radar as the QC was consistently bad, and I like the look of these 161 Thunders so I’m just gonna roll with them till I hit axle or they prematurely break, but I’ve never had issues with them before. Thunders are a truck that aren’t underrated or overrated, they’re just solid and reliable proper trucks.
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Honestly on the street any of them will work just fine, it just depends on how and what you skate (loose vs tight Tech vs Hesh, etc).

The only place I feel the gap widen is in bowls.
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I feel like this too. Skating ledges ect feel better on Thunders, even though I skate 90% transition. I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on 151's but I don't want to hinder my tranny skating. I do want to skate more tech stuff lately.

Ace will always feel better on round wall but don't rule out Thunders in bowls. 151s have always worked well enough for me. So curious about the 161s....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on December 05, 2019, 08:55:02 AM
Quote from: ok boomer on December 05, 2019, 07:42:20 AM
Any idea when stage XII is going to happen? Been a while since XI came out, already scared of change.

Does the move to China constitute a change in stage?  Pics show there are slight differences in the hanger casting.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 05, 2019, 09:25:59 AM
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Wait....if all these trucks....'work'.....you saying it's just us? 

Koo-koo?
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You're tripping man. You suggesting I suck at Skateboarding because I lack the necessary dexterity, agility and propreception? And that the gear doesn't matter?
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Whoa-whoa-whoa there buddy, pump the brakes. It's defo the gear, now just calm down and let me tell you all about these carbon fiber speed washers I have that make my fakie flips pop real good....
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Give me 20, I'll pay double. You got any of that new hollow bolts? Trying to lighten my setup.

Would you like some Hollow Light nuts to go with those?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: roba on December 05, 2019, 03:09:26 PM
do ace bushings work with ventures?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: curbslayer on December 05, 2019, 03:58:46 PM
anyone know the duro of stock thunder bushings. i feel dumb for even asking this 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on December 05, 2019, 04:03:23 PM
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Wait....if all these trucks....'work'.....you saying it's just us? 

Koo-koo?
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You're tripping man. You suggesting I suck at Skateboarding because I lack the necessary dexterity, agility and propreception? And that the gear doesn't matter?
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Whoa-whoa-whoa there buddy, pump the brakes. It's defo the gear, now just calm down and let me tell you all about these carbon fiber speed washers I have that make my fakie flips pop real good....
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Give me 20, I'll pay double. You got any of that new hollow bolts? Trying to lighten my setup.
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Would you like some Hollow Light nuts to go with those?

Give me 20, I'll pay double. Punching holes into my griptape and drilling holes into my  wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 05, 2019, 04:24:19 PM
Quote from: roba on December 05, 2019, 03:09:26 PM
do ace bushings work with ventures?

Only if you mixed a set of tall and lows. Tall bottom, low top, then it's close (ish) to a standard indy bushing set which is the same height as Ventures.

Quote from: curbslayer on December 05, 2019, 03:58:46 PM
anyone know the duro of stock thunder bushings. i feel dumb for even asking this 

90d across the board on all Thunders.

Edit: Comp pics of Ace talls and Indy Standards (see here for comp between Indy and Venture),
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88977.msg3147702#msg3147702

(https://i.imgur.com/gqTf7Y6.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HfJU6Ad.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on December 05, 2019, 04:24:26 PM
Quote from: curbslayer on December 05, 2019, 03:58:46 PM
anyone know the duro of stock thunder bushings. i feel dumb for even asking this

90a I think. You want the white ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: curbslayer on December 05, 2019, 04:37:19 PM
thanks dudes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Woos on December 05, 2019, 08:36:12 PM
Has anyone looked into modding Thunder kingpins?

If I could get a down low kingpin installed in some Thunder 147s and 149s but could also still use Bones Hardcores I’d be so happy.  Smiths and feebles are fucked... especially on the 147s.

Also what feels softer;
Bones Hardcore Hard Bottom w/ Medium Top
or
Bones Hardcorw Medium Bottom w/ Hard Top?

I’m currently running Hard Bottom and Medium Top on my 147s because double medium was causing a bit too much wheelbite and double hard takes too long to break in and they’re way too stiff before being broken in.

I hate having to waste the extra bushings... it feels stupid and “expensive” (for bushings).  I’ll just start putting the softer combination on my 149s since it’s not too different from double mediums.

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Also I find Indies to work better than Thunders on ledges that are crusty... they grind through it better.  Especially on nose/tail slides because the baseplate actually makes contact.  However Thunders pinch better and are lower so they feel much better on smooth ledges.  Also Thunders have a high kingpin so Smiths and Feebles suck with them.  Forged Indies are nice because they’re lower than standard ones. This helps with balance on ledges.

I find Thunders to be better for stalls and grinds in transition due to them being lower. I feel much more balanced and can feel the tricks more.  Indies are better at carving however so it’s not really Indies for transition and Thunder for ledges.  They both shine in different areas.  If you’re skating ledges with Thunder make sure your wheels are squared and hard with a good formula or you aren’t moving anywhere nor are you comfortably locking in when doing nose/tail slides.  I personally ride 52mm 99a Radial Slims.  I’d ride 101a if the ground was nicer where I normally skate.  The Formula 4 99a formula does slide very well however so I’m not even concerned about it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on December 05, 2019, 08:44:44 PM
Quote from: Woos on December 05, 2019, 08:36:12 PM
Has anyone looked into modding Thunder kingpins?

If I could get a down low kingpin installed in some Thunder 147s and 149s but could also still use Bones Hardcores I’d be so happy.  Smiths and feebles are fucked... especially on the 147s.

Also what feels softer;
Bones Hardcore Hard Bottom w/ Medium Top
or
Bones Hardcorw Medium Bottom w/ Hard Top?

I’m currently running Hard Bottom and Medium Top on my 147s because double medium was causing a bit too much wheelbite and double hard takes too long to break in and they’re way too stiff before being broken in.

I hate having to waste the extra bushings... it feels stupid and “expensive” (for bushings).  I’ll just start putting the softer combination on my 149s since it’s not too different from double mediums.

Bones bushings change the geometry of thunders. 94/97a thunder bushings might suit you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on December 05, 2019, 08:55:36 PM
Quote from: Woos on December 05, 2019, 08:36:12 PM
Has anyone looked into modding Thunder kingpins?

If I could get a down low kingpin installed in some Thunder 147s and 149s but could also still use Bones Hardcores I’d be so happy.  Smiths and feebles are fucked... especially on the 147s.

Also what feels softer;
Bones Hardcore Hard Bottom w/ Medium Top
or
Bones Hardcorw Medium Bottom w/ Hard Top?

I’m currently running Hard Bottom and Medium Top on my 147s because double medium was causing a bit too much wheelbite and double hard takes too long to break in and they’re way too stiff before being broken in.

I hate having to waste the extra bushings... it feels stupid and “expensive” (for bushings).  I’ll just start putting the softer combination on my 149s since it’s not too different from double mediums.

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Also I find Indies to work better than Thunders on ledges that are crusty... they grind through it better.  Especially on nose/tail slides because the baseplate actually makes contact.  However Thunders pinch better and are lower so they feel much better on smooth ledges.  Also Thunders have a high kingpin so Smiths and Feebles suck with them.  Forged Indies are nice because they’re lower than standard ones. This helps with balance on ledges.

I find Thunders to be better for stalls and grinds in transition due to them being lower. I feel much more balanced and can feel the tricks more.  Indies are better at carving however so it’s not really Indies for transition and Thunder for ledges.  They both shine in different areas.  If you’re skating ledges with Thunder make sure your wheels are squared and hard with a good formula or you aren’t moving anywhere nor are you comfortably locking in when doing nose/tail slides.  I personally ride 52mm 99a Radial Slims.  I’d ride 101a if the ground was nicer where I normally skate.  The Formula 4 99a formula does slide very well however so I’m not even concerned about it.

Indys feel so good on a chunky ledge, they really live up to the name "Built to Grind". They feel so solid and just plow through the ledge. I'm liking my Thunder 147 & 148 more though, the like the heavier pop it gives and the turning is fine by me. I used to think all trucks turned the same and rode my trucks very tight; tick tacking > carving / turning.

First time contemplating a durometer other than 101a, how do the F4 99a feel? I recently tried F1 Streetburners and they were way too slippery for the skatelite ledge I usually skate. F4 101a wheels feel great but I'm always hungry to switch things around.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on December 06, 2019, 01:59:22 AM
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anyone know the duro of stock thunder bushings. i feel dumb for even asking this
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90a I think. You want the white ones.

I know everyone says the Thunder stock bushings are always 90A but I got a set of 149 titanium lights with white bushings and my mate got a set of 149 team titaniums with red bushings around the same time and his bushings were mad soft, like Indy super soft soft and mine were way too stiff for my taste, stiffer than Indy stock bushings for sure. Could have been a fluke though, dunno. I got a new set of Thunder 90A bushings just the other day to try on the trucks later on, if they’d be a bit more soft.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 06, 2019, 03:02:00 AM
Quote from: Roisto on December 06, 2019, 01:59:22 AM
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anyone know the duro of stock thunder bushings. i feel dumb for even asking this
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90a I think. You want the white ones.
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I know everyone says the Thunder stock bushings are always 90A but I got a set of 149 titanium lights with white bushings and my mate got a set of 149 team titaniums with red bushings around the same time and his bushings were mad soft, like Indy super soft soft and mine were way too stiff for my taste, stiffer than Indy stock bushings for sure. Could have been a fluke though, dunno. I got a new set of Thunder 90A bushings just the other day to try on the trucks later on, if they’d be a bit more soft.

Very possible. I had a set of Team hollows, clear red, and they were waaaay softer than a buddy who just had normal team 149's (clear yellow I think). Problem being, the DLX bushings are injection molded (which is why you see all the air bubbles and voids), not the best process for tolerances/consistency.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 06, 2019, 12:08:24 PM
I found the culprit for these Thunder 161’s being off...horrible stock pivot cups. Tried Ace Riptide’s and they didn’t fit. Dug through a bunch of extra cups I had in a baggy and found two that were pretty much new and are the same mold as Thunder stocks. Drop of speed cream...what a friggin difference. I also rediscovered some Venom SHR bushings in my junk hardware box, and they fit perfect in Thunders with Bones washers. Can’t wait to skate these again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on December 06, 2019, 01:10:56 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 06, 2019, 12:08:24 PM
I found the culprit for these Thunder 161’s being off...horrible stock pivot cups. Tried Ace Riptide’s and they didn’t fit. Dug through a bunch of extra cups I had in a baggy and found two that were pretty much new and are the same mold as Thunder stocks. Drop of speed cream...what a friggin difference. I also rediscovered some Venom SHR bushings in my junk hardware box, and they fit perfect in Thunders with Bones washers. Can’t wait to skate these again.

I was thinking about getting those venoms but was afraid they wouldn’t fit. Might have to try. What duro you use?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 06, 2019, 02:00:57 PM
94a just be sure you compare them next to whatever truck you’re using’s stock bushing/washer so you maintain the geo. I feel like these Venom bushings have a pretty tall bottom but the top is a normal height I’d say.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on December 06, 2019, 02:42:46 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 06, 2019, 02:00:57 PM
94a just be sure you compare them next to whatever truck you’re using’s stock bushing/washer so you maintain the geo. I feel like these Venom bushings have a pretty tall bottom but the top is a normal height I’d say.

The 94 is what I was looking at, I have the thunder team hollows so if they work for you I’m sure they will work for me with the washers like you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on December 06, 2019, 07:22:25 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 06, 2019, 12:08:24 PM
I found the culprit for these Thunder 161’s being off...horrible stock pivot cups. Tried Ace Riptide’s and they didn’t fit. Dug through a bunch of extra cups I had in a baggy and found two that were pretty much new and are the same mold as Thunder stocks. Drop of speed cream...what a friggin difference. I also rediscovered some Venom SHR bushings in my junk hardware box, and they fit perfect in Thunders with Bones washers. Can’t wait to skate these again.
wtf stock they were that bad? 161 were just released a few months ago. Sucks they needed to be heavily modified imo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on December 07, 2019, 09:55:10 AM
Quote from: jay_nev on December 06, 2019, 07:22:25 PM
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I found the culprit for these Thunder 161’s being off...horrible stock pivot cups. Tried Ace Riptide’s and they didn’t fit. Dug through a bunch of extra cups I had in a baggy and found two that were pretty much new and are the same mold as Thunder stocks. Drop of speed cream...what a friggin difference. I also rediscovered some Venom SHR bushings in my junk hardware box, and they fit perfect in Thunders with Bones washers. Can’t wait to skate these again.
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wtf stock they were that bad? 161 were just released a few months ago. Sucks they needed to be heavily modified imo

They need to be broken in. Sounds like he only skated them once or twice. I think I've changed pivot cups in my trucks about twice in over 30 years of skateboarding.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 07, 2019, 11:08:34 AM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on December 07, 2019, 09:55:10 AM
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I found the culprit for these Thunder 161’s being off...horrible stock pivot cups. Tried Ace Riptide’s and they didn’t fit. Dug through a bunch of extra cups I had in a baggy and found two that were pretty much new and are the same mold as Thunder stocks. Drop of speed cream...what a friggin difference. I also rediscovered some Venom SHR bushings in my junk hardware box, and they fit perfect in Thunders with Bones washers. Can’t wait to skate these again.
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wtf stock they were that bad? 161 were just released a few months ago. Sucks they needed to be heavily modified imo
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They need to be broken in. Sounds like he only skated them once or twice. I think I've changed pivot cups in my trucks about twice in over 30 years of skateboarding.

Goddamn it thank you.
The less i fuck with things the better they are.
I am very interested to hear more about the 161s. I had 151s and really like them but just gave them to a coworker that had a wack setup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on December 07, 2019, 11:57:57 AM
Same. I've been trying to ride my shit stock. Trucks feel like shit for a good few sessions. No getting around that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 07, 2019, 03:39:29 PM
My experience has been, if the stock cups and bushings suck, it only gets worse, not better. I can see why people don’t mess with the cups from a laziness standpoint. If you don’t have some needle nose pliers handy, holy shit it’s a pain in the ass. Unless it’s those new China Indy’s, there’s no truck out there that I haven’t had to at least put some different bushings in so they feel right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on December 07, 2019, 03:40:48 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on December 07, 2019, 09:55:10 AM
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I found the culprit for these Thunder 161’s being off...horrible stock pivot cups. Tried Ace Riptide’s and they didn’t fit. Dug through a bunch of extra cups I had in a baggy and found two that were pretty much new and are the same mold as Thunder stocks. Drop of speed cream...what a friggin difference. I also rediscovered some Venom SHR bushings in my junk hardware box, and they fit perfect in Thunders with Bones washers. Can’t wait to skate these again.
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wtf stock they were that bad? 161 were just released a few months ago. Sucks they needed to be heavily modified imo
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They need to be broken in. Sounds like he only skated them once or twice. I think I've changed pivot cups in my trucks about twice in over 30 years of skateboarding.



pivot cups have gone to shit across some major brands. recently i've had indy and thunders that have needed new cups right out of the bags. the indy's where all the red&blk printed forged hollows from the last 5 or so years, like 6 sets all had shit bushings & pivot cups.

like FredFrank, i have never had to replace pivot cups from 1985-2015. somewhere around 2015, they cheaped out on cups. the new indy laser-engraved titaniums, hollows and the standards indy's with the dot on the baseplate all have better bushings & pivot cups now though.


seems like thunders pivot cups have gone to shit very recently.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 07, 2019, 04:02:40 PM
Speaking of pivot cups. Although I'm not totally sold on the $20+ pivot cup thing, I'd like the option. Any members in Canada know where they sell Riptides up here?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chingchu on December 07, 2019, 04:08:14 PM
Quote from: palelight on December 07, 2019, 04:02:40 PM
Speaking of pivot cups. Although I'm not totally sold on the $20+ pivot cup thing, I'd like the option. Any members in Canada know where they sell Riptides up here?

you can get them off riptide website.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 07, 2019, 04:14:37 PM
Quote from: chingchu on December 07, 2019, 04:08:14 PM
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Speaking of pivot cups. Although I'm not totally sold on the $20+ pivot cup thing, I'd like the option. Any members in Canada know where they sell Riptides up here?
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you can get them off riptide website.

Indeed. But I like to try and buy in Canada when possible. If I say, buy two sets of riptides from their site ($27USD), plus shipping to Canada ($10USD), and after Paypal exchange rates (always dumb high), I'm looking at around $55 Canadian. Bit much for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chingchu on December 07, 2019, 04:23:40 PM
Quote from: palelight on December 07, 2019, 04:14:37 PM
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Speaking of pivot cups. Although I'm not totally sold on the $20+ pivot cup thing, I'd like the option. Any members in Canada know where they sell Riptides up here?
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you can get them off riptide website.
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Indeed. But I like to try and buy in Canada when possible. If I say, buy two sets of riptides from their site ($27USD), plus shipping to Canada ($10USD), and after Paypal exchange rates (always dumb high), I'm looking at around $55 Canadian. Bit much for me.

you not going to find them any cheeper.  where in canada are you?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 07, 2019, 04:30:08 PM
Quote from: chingchu on December 07, 2019, 04:23:40 PM
you not going to find them any cheeper.  where in canada are you?

Southern Ontario. I have a pickup box in Michigan I use for bigger stuff. If I can't find them here, and I'm still after them, probably just order them to my place in Michigan the next time I have a decent enough order size o justify the drive. Just making sure I wasn't missing any obvious place up here that might have em.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chingchu on December 07, 2019, 04:32:16 PM
Quote from: palelight on December 07, 2019, 04:30:08 PM
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you not going to find them any cheeper.  where in canada are you?
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Southern Ontario. I have a pickup box in Michigan I use for bigger stuff. If I can't find them here, and I'm still after them, probably just order them to my place in Michigan the next time I have a decent enough order size o justify the drive. Just making sure I wasn't missing any obvious place up here that might have em.

canadian women are the best
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 07, 2019, 08:11:25 PM
Quote from: BL0B on December 07, 2019, 03:40:48 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on December 07, 2019, 09:55:10 AM
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I found the culprit for these Thunder 161’s being off...horrible stock pivot cups. Tried Ace Riptide’s and they didn’t fit. Dug through a bunch of extra cups I had in a baggy and found two that were pretty much new and are the same mold as Thunder stocks. Drop of speed cream...what a friggin difference. I also rediscovered some Venom SHR bushings in my junk hardware box, and they fit perfect in Thunders with Bones washers. Can’t wait to skate these again.
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wtf stock they were that bad? 161 were just released a few months ago. Sucks they needed to be heavily modified imo
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They need to be broken in. Sounds like he only skated them once or twice. I think I've changed pivot cups in my trucks about twice in over 30 years of skateboarding.
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pivot cups have gone to shit across some major brands. recently i've had indy and thunders that have needed new cups right out of the bags. the indy's where all the red&blk printed forged hollows from the last 5 or so years, like 6 sets all had shit bushings & pivot cups.

like FredFrank, i have never had to replace pivot cups from 1985-2015. somewhere around 2015, they cheaped out on cups. the new indy laser-engraved titaniums, hollows and the standards indy's with the dot on the baseplate all have better bushings & pivot cups now though.


seems like thunders pivot cups have gone to shit very recently.

Goddamn it, I’m the asshole.
Sorry for that
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Woos on December 07, 2019, 10:07:59 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on December 05, 2019, 08:55:36 PM
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Has anyone looked into modding Thunder kingpins?

If I could get a down low kingpin installed in some Thunder 147s and 149s but could also still use Bones Hardcores I’d be so happy.  Smiths and feebles are fucked... especially on the 147s.

Also what feels softer;
Bones Hardcore Hard Bottom w/ Medium Top
or
Bones Hardcorw Medium Bottom w/ Hard Top?

I’m currently running Hard Bottom and Medium Top on my 147s because double medium was causing a bit too much wheelbite and double hard takes too long to break in and they’re way too stiff before being broken in.

I hate having to waste the extra bushings... it feels stupid and “expensive” (for bushings).  I’ll just start putting the softer combination on my 149s since it’s not too different from double mediums.

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Also I find Indies to work better than Thunders on ledges that are crusty... they grind through it better.  Especially on nose/tail slides because the baseplate actually makes contact.  However Thunders pinch better and are lower so they feel much better on smooth ledges.  Also Thunders have a high kingpin so Smiths and Feebles suck with them.  Forged Indies are nice because they’re lower than standard ones. This helps with balance on ledges.

I find Thunders to be better for stalls and grinds in transition due to them being lower. I feel much more balanced and can feel the tricks more.  Indies are better at carving however so it’s not really Indies for transition and Thunder for ledges.  They both shine in different areas.  If you’re skating ledges with Thunder make sure your wheels are squared and hard with a good formula or you aren’t moving anywhere nor are you comfortably locking in when doing nose/tail slides.  I personally ride 52mm 99a Radial Slims.  I’d ride 101a if the ground was nicer where I normally skate.  The Formula 4 99a formula does slide very well however so I’m not even concerned about it.
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Indys feel so good on a chunky ledge, they really live up to the name "Built to Grind". They feel so solid and just plow through the ledge. I'm liking my Thunder 147 & 148 more though, the like the heavier pop it gives and the turning is fine by me. I used to think all trucks turned the same and rode my trucks very tight; tick tacking > carving / turning.

First time contemplating a durometer other than 101a, how do the F4 99a feel? I recently tried F1 Streetburners and they were way too slippery for the skatelite ledge I usually skate. F4 101a wheels feel great but I'm always hungry to switch things around.

Dude the 99a F4s are the perfect all around wheel for me. I’ve never had any issues with them on ledges or with reverts/powerslides.  They ride over crust way better than 101 F4s and 103 STFs as well.  I guess the only time I contemplate a different wheel is on Skatelite transition but it’s totally manageable, I’m just a pussy and bad when it comes to transition so it is a little too slippery sometimes.

They certainly don’t feel soft but they really handle crusty spots well.  My STFs don’t feel noticeably faster on smooth concrete either so I don’t really see a point in running anything harder.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 08, 2019, 01:20:04 AM
ace trucks have almost completely cured my truck madness.

tried 55s on a 15" wb antihero and the short wb trucks just dont work for me. im accustomed to popping off the end off the tail and with a shorter wb, im forced to pop a bit further into the tail which feels alien to me. not an issue i ever had on thunders which extend wheelbase. manuals feel unnatural, and the only thing that helped with it is that the trucks were loose for me. on the other hand, aces surfy feel is really fun and they feel perfect on tranny. i just dont think its worth it at the expense of me doing just about anything else. this experience has really put me off ever owning trucks that shorten wb which takes ace, indy (which i already wasnt a huge fan of), film, and theeve. all im stuck with at the moment is thunder and venture since they are longer wb trucks. fortunately for my wallet and sanity, there isnt much to try when i exclusively am riding 9+" boards. just 151, 161, and 6.1 currently.

i personally cant own a deck with less than a 14.75 wb. at my height it feels like i have shackles around my ankles. anyone else who needs a big wheelbase to feel comfy on board, i wouldnt suggest riding trucks that shorten wb. it feels really tippy on the nose and tail and will force you to make adjustments if you want decent pop. every truck has its benefits but if the wb of your setup can be a dealbreaker id definitely consider your trucks, just my two cents.

either i keep them for a future tranny only setup or sell them cause of buyers remorse. if anyone is interested, they are lightly, and i mean lightly used. barely any grind marks on them and only have been through around 5 sessions. can send pics. pm me if you are interested to negotiate a price
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on December 08, 2019, 08:04:44 AM
Whilst on the ace topic

https://youtu.be/fAY7RtPBOCQ
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 08, 2019, 09:01:46 AM
Quote from: off on December 08, 2019, 01:20:04 AM
ace trucks have almost completely cured my truck madness.

tried 55s on a 15" wb antihero and the short wb trucks just dont work for me. im accustomed to popping off the end off the tail and with a shorter wb, im forced to pop a bit further into the tail which feels alien to me. not an issue i ever had on thunders which extend wheelbase. manuals feel unnatural, and the only thing that helped with it is that the trucks were loose for me. on the other hand, aces surfy feel is really fun and they feel perfect on tranny. i just dont think its worth it at the expense of me doing just about anything else. this experience has really put me off ever owning trucks that shorten wb which takes ace, indy (which i already wasnt a huge fan of), film, and theeve. all im stuck with at the moment is thunder and venture since they are longer wb trucks. fortunately for my wallet and sanity, there isnt much to try when i exclusively am riding 9+" boards. just 151, 161, and 6.1 currently.

i personally cant own a deck with less than a 14.75 wb. at my height it feels like i have shackles around my ankles. anyone else who needs a big wheelbase to feel comfy on board, i wouldnt suggest riding trucks that shorten wb. it feels really tippy on the nose and tail and will force you to make adjustments if you want decent pop. every truck has its benefits but if the wb of your setup can be a dealbreaker id definitely consider your trucks, just my two cents.

either i keep them for a future tranny only setup or sell them cause of buyers remorse. if anyone is interested, they are lightly, and i mean lightly used. barely any grind marks on them and only have been through around 5 sessions. can send pics. pm me if you are interested to negotiate a price

appreciate the context you give for your decision.
I just like thunder and venture better, but I’m short, with shorter legs. I get all turned around when I want to ride a big board.
I haven’t been skating much, mainly weather and work, but just stepped thru a window in the aging process or something and all of a sudden gravity has increased. Dramatically. Trying to flip a board around isn’t working, I never built up strong fundamentals, ledges or transition, so it’s easy to lose a few tricks and be really disheartened.
Aaaannnyways, pushing around on a big board with bigger wheels is still fun! So that’s the direction. Trying to find the combo of big and comfy but still a skateboard.
Thanks for the therapy. Continue on
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 08, 2019, 11:09:17 AM
Thunder 161 trucks with Venom SHR 94a bushings...amazing. Super twitchy and carvey. 56mm wheels, baaaaaad wheelbite though. I got pitched a lot. Gonna need risers now >:(.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mort Garson on December 08, 2019, 12:34:02 PM
Just set up some 6.1s on an 8.625, still stock bushings w/ no bottom washer. Little speed cream in the pivot cups to get rid of that mf squeak. Shit feels great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on December 08, 2019, 01:30:30 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 08, 2019, 11:09:17 AM
Thunder 161 trucks with Venom SHR 94a bushings...amazing. Super twitchy and carvey. 56mm wheels, baaaaaad wheelbite though. I got pitched a lot. Gonna need risers now >:(.
stock bushings are 90a right? Yeah I’d throw 1/8” risers in with 161 if I was gonna run
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chris. on December 08, 2019, 03:58:33 PM
Quote from: off on December 08, 2019, 01:20:04 AM
ace trucks have almost completely cured my truck madness.

How tall are you? I’m 6’5”, all legs, and honestly Aces just should not work for me considering they shorten WB but I can’t imagine myself ever skating anything else.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on December 08, 2019, 04:22:38 PM
Quote from: chris. on December 08, 2019, 03:58:33 PM
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ace trucks have almost completely cured my truck madness.
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How tall are you? I’m 6’5”, all legs, and honestly Aces just should not work for me considering they shorten WB but I can’t imagine myself ever skating anything else.
6’4.5” here - what size board and wb you ride with ace’s that you like?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 08, 2019, 05:19:55 PM
Quote from: chris. on December 08, 2019, 03:58:33 PM
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ace trucks have almost completely cured my truck madness.
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How tall are you? I’m 6’5”, all legs, and honestly Aces just should not work for me considering they shorten WB but I can’t imagine myself ever skating anything else.

im also 6'5" all legs. brother is that you?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stigmata on December 08, 2019, 05:21:14 PM
I just started riding Indy 149's on both 8.25 and 8.38 decks and ive been absolutely lovin it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skatansfinest666 on December 08, 2019, 05:26:59 PM
So anyone know if the Ti indys are similar to the theeve Ti as in they literally don’t grind on metal surfaces at all? I know some of y’all watched Ben degros review on the theeve ones and he literally stuck everytime on the metal edge ledge. I really wanna get a pair due to life span and how light they are but won’t be able to deal with it if they don’t grind seeing as I hit the local park a lot and everything is metal coping there so...thanks for the input homies 🤙🏼🛹
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 08, 2019, 05:43:45 PM
Quote from: Skatansfinest666 on December 08, 2019, 05:26:59 PM
So anyone know if the Ti indys are similar to the theeve Ti as in they literally don’t grind on metal surfaces at all? I know some of y’all watched Ben degros review on the theeve ones and he literally stuck everytime on the metal edge ledge. I really wanna get a pair due to life span and how light they are but won’t be able to deal with it if they don’t grind seeing as I hit the local park a lot and everything is metal coping there so...thanks for the input homies 🤙🏼🛹

Indy Ti have titanium axles, the hanger is regular old Indy aluminum so the grind is unaffected; Theeve TiHangers are one solid piece of titanium and don't grind on metal very well, especially angle iron. On the flipside they chew through shitty concrete that other trucks would stick on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: B0udoir on December 08, 2019, 06:32:50 PM
Quote from: off on December 08, 2019, 01:20:04 AM
ace trucks have almost completely cured my truck madness.

I was thinking that before trying Thunder Teams 149.
Still love Aces though, it's just that currently I prefer to sacrifice the turn to the pinch feeling.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skatansfinest666 on December 08, 2019, 10:04:54 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 08, 2019, 05:43:45 PM
Quote from: Skatansfinest666 on December 08, 2019, 05:26:59 PM
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So anyone know if the Ti indys are similar to the theeve Ti as in they literally don’t grind on metal surfaces at all? I know some of y’all watched Ben degros review on the theeve ones and he literally stuck everytime on the metal edge ledge. I really wanna get a pair due to life span and how light they are but won’t be able to deal with it if they don’t grind seeing as I hit the local park a lot and everything is metal coping there so...thanks for the input homies 🤙🏼🛹
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Indy Ti have titanium axles, the hanger is regular old Indy aluminum so the grind is unaffected; Theeve TiHangers are one solid piece of titanium and don't grind on metal very well, especially angle iron. On the flipside they chew through shitty concrete that other trucks would stick on.

Awesome! Just what I needed to know
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 08, 2019, 11:22:49 PM
I know I would be the last person expected to ask this

But are the riptide pivot cups really worth it?

They’re in the cart and I’m ready to pay but I’m thinking

Are they really worth it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on December 09, 2019, 03:59:20 AM
Do you guys file down or round the edges on the baseplates?
Often they seem to have sharp edge, or uneven/protruding edges, creating an uneven contact patch.
This then digs into the board, making the already weakned breaking point, even weaker.
It seems to have helped with pressure cracks on my boards. I'm a little heavy guy (200lbs), so prone to pressure cracks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on December 09, 2019, 05:52:51 AM
Quote from: jay_nev on December 08, 2019, 08:04:44 AM
Whilst on the ace topic

https://youtu.be/fAY7RtPBOCQ

i love ben degros
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skart on December 09, 2019, 05:59:05 AM
I like his skating, that's aboot it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UPPERCASEnocap on December 09, 2019, 07:50:21 AM
I'm deep in the truck madness with a set of ventures, thunder, indy, and aces set up currently. I was skating in my garage yesterday and noticed that my aftermarket indy red bushings had literally frozen. Rock hard. I am in Montana and its was like 25 degrees but all my other bushings were fine, maybe a little stiff but definitely not frozen. Whats up with this?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oldbummer on December 09, 2019, 09:20:15 AM
I've played around with changing bushings so much that some of my kingpin nuts have worn out and I bought replacements.  Did you know that not all kingpin nuts are the same height, and if you are trying to recreate a previous setting and you reference your tightness to how flush the nut is you might be off because of that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on December 09, 2019, 10:40:02 AM
Anyone run smaller trucks than board width? I've got a 8.375 on deck but 139s and I hate breaking in trucks. Last time I did a wide deck to small board was literally 20 years ago.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on December 09, 2019, 11:30:38 AM
Quote from: oldbummer on December 09, 2019, 09:20:15 AM
I've played around with changing bushings so much that some of my kingpin nuts have worn out and I bought replacements.  Did you know that not all kingpin nuts are the same height, and if you are trying to recreate a previous setting and you reference your tightness to how flush the nut is you might be off because of that.

What I do to keep track of how tight my trucks are is to take off the nut and then twist it back on just until it locks on the very first thread and then i'll tighten it while counting the number of rotations of my skate tool.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on December 09, 2019, 11:47:36 AM
Quote from: fang on December 09, 2019, 10:40:02 AM
Anyone run smaller trucks than board width? I've got a 8.375 on deck but 139s and I hate breaking in trucks. Last time I did a wide deck to small board was literally 20 years ago.

You could get some 149s and keep everything else the same but just change the hangers. Sure you'd have fresh hangers without grooves but at least everything else would feel broken in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 09, 2019, 01:55:11 PM
Quote from: fang on December 09, 2019, 10:40:02 AM
Anyone run smaller trucks than board width? I've got a 8.375 on deck but 139s and I hate breaking in trucks. Last time I did a wide deck to small board was literally 20 years ago.

I've done this a few times. Venture 5.2s and indy 139s on 8.25 and 8.38. Currently running 149s on a 9.12 football.

It's fine, just add some washers. I'd way rather my shit magic carpet than hotrod (which IMO looks horrible).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 09, 2019, 02:09:18 PM
Quote from: rob on December 08, 2019, 11:22:49 PM
I know I would be the last person expected to ask this

But are the riptide pivot cups really worth it?

They’re in the cart and I’m ready to pay but I’m thinking

Are they really worth it?

JOIN US
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 09, 2019, 02:22:39 PM
Quote from: palelight on December 05, 2019, 04:24:19 PM
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do ace bushings work with ventures?
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Only if you mixed a set of tall and lows. Tall bottom, low top, then it's close (ish) to a standard indy bushing set which is the same height as Ventures.


Hell yes they work.

On a whim, I dug out my spare ACE bushings (regular bottoms and low tops that I used in my Indys) and threw them in my 5.6" Ventures (replacing Bones medium bottom/soft top, which it does make the turn better than stock but also makes you feel like you need to 'balance' to maintain stability, if that makes sense. It was like trying to balance on a rail just to go straight -  something I've never felt with any other truck using bones).

Anyway back to ACE bushings in Ventures.

Holy shit.

They feel amazing (just like they make ACE and Indy's feel amazballs), they also work their magic in Ventures.

I was seriously thinking of jumping back to Thunders (I finally realized I don't like tight truck WBs all that much), since I wasn't vibing on the Ventures stock and Bones felt like too much work.

One thing to note and there is recent talk about how much the pivot cups are shit lately in thunders, not so in Ventures, they have the khiro squish to them and feel like quality compared to the hard ass ones in thunders and indys. However, I swapped them out with some worn in cracked ice indy cups (when using bones) and it really helps break them in, the stock cups are really snug (obviously).

Seriously the ACE bushing combo in Ventures is fucking on point. it gets them surfing but still stable; not as surfy as Indy or ACE but somewhere between a Thunder and an Indy maybe?



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lloyd Braun on December 09, 2019, 04:30:25 PM
Anyone know what risers work for ventures, maybe diamond? Schmidt nine club episode got me wanting to try them out again. Also maybe different wheels. Hoping this doesn’t turn me into a gear madman...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on December 09, 2019, 05:41:31 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 09, 2019, 02:22:39 PM
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do ace bushings work with ventures?
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Only if you mixed a set of tall and lows. Tall bottom, low top, then it's close (ish) to a standard indy bushing set which is the same height as Ventures.

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Hell yes they work.

On a whim, I dug out my spare ACE bushings (regular bottoms and low tops that I used in my Indys) and threw them in my 5.6" Ventures (replacing Bones medium bottom/soft top, which it turns out does make the turn better but also makes you feel like you need to 'balance' to maintain stability, if that makes sense, something I've never felt with any other truck using bones).

Anyway back to ACE bushings in Ventures.

Holy shit.

They feel amazing (just like they make ACE and Indy's feel amazballs), they also work their magic in Ventures.

I was seriously thinking of jumping back to Thunders (I finally realizes I don't like tight truck WBs all that much), since I wasn't vibing on the Ventures stock and Bones felt like too much work.

One thing to note and there is recent talk about how much the pivot cups are shit lately in thunders, not so in Ventures, they have the khiro squish to them and feel like quality compared to the hard ass ones in thunders and indys. However, I swapped them out with some worn in cracked ice indy cups (when using bones) and it really helps break them in, the stock cups are really snug (obviously).

Seriously the ACE bushing combo in Ventures is fucking on point. it gets them surfing but still stable; not as surfy as Indy or ACE but somewhere between a Thunder and an Indy maybe?

Damn, was having a decent time on my stock 5.8 Venture tis (with riptide cups) but this sounds very tempting. Buying two sets of ace bushings just to mix and match them in ventures sounds like a giant pain though. Is it really worth it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 09, 2019, 07:43:21 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on December 09, 2019, 05:41:31 PM
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do ace bushings work with ventures?
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Only if you mixed a set of tall and lows. Tall bottom, low top, then it's close (ish) to a standard indy bushing set which is the same height as Ventures.

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Hell yes they work.

On a whim, I dug out my spare ACE bushings (regular bottoms and low tops that I used in my Indys) and threw them in my 5.6" Ventures (replacing Bones medium bottom/soft top, which it turns out does make the turn better but also makes you feel like you need to 'balance' to maintain stability, if that makes sense, something I've never felt with any other truck using bones).

Anyway back to ACE bushings in Ventures.

Holy shit.

They feel amazing (just like they make ACE and Indy's feel amazballs), they also work their magic in Ventures.

I was seriously thinking of jumping back to Thunders (I finally realizes I don't like tight truck WBs all that much), since I wasn't vibing on the Ventures stock and Bones felt like too much work.

One thing to note and there is recent talk about how much the pivot cups are shit lately in thunders, not so in Ventures, they have the khiro squish to them and feel like quality compared to the hard ass ones in thunders and indys. However, I swapped them out with some worn in cracked ice indy cups (when using bones) and it really helps break them in, the stock cups are really snug (obviously).

Seriously the ACE bushing combo in Ventures is fucking on point. it gets them surfing but still stable; not as surfy as Indy or ACE but somewhere between a Thunder and an Indy maybe?
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Damn, was having a decent time on my stock 5.8 Venture tis (with riptide cups) but this sounds very tempting. Buying two sets of ace bushings just to mix and match them in ventures sounds like a giant pain though. Is it really worth it?

I know...it sucks...but I bit the bullet a while back for my Ti Indys, it was great. The ACE standard top/stock bushing is fucking TALL.

I tried 8.5 ti Ventures stock, stiff but stable didn't 'move me' to stick with it after a few weeks; tried riptides, was 'ok'.

****MADNESS****

I tired again with 5.6 hollow ventures, stock, meh. Bones med bottom/soft top (bones washer bottom/top), riptides = acceptable, but still not feeling it - bones soft bottom/soft top too squirrly.

Put in the ACEs (big bottom, low top), reg bottom Venture washer (they are bigger than ACEs so you get some flex), bones top washer (stock washer binds if you run loose!!!), riptides. Fucking great. Really. Really. fucking. great.

DLX, rip-off/make a deal with ACE to ship with these duros/bushings.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on December 09, 2019, 08:09:57 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 09, 2019, 07:43:21 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on December 09, 2019, 05:41:31 PM
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do ace bushings work with ventures?
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Only if you mixed a set of tall and lows. Tall bottom, low top, then it's close (ish) to a standard indy bushing set which is the same height as Ventures.

[close]

Hell yes they work.

On a whim, I dug out my spare ACE bushings (regular bottoms and low tops that I used in my Indys) and threw them in my 5.6" Ventures (replacing Bones medium bottom/soft top, which it turns out does make the turn better but also makes you feel like you need to 'balance' to maintain stability, if that makes sense, something I've never felt with any other truck using bones).

Anyway back to ACE bushings in Ventures.

Holy shit.

They feel amazing (just like they make ACE and Indy's feel amazballs), they also work their magic in Ventures.

I was seriously thinking of jumping back to Thunders (I finally realizes I don't like tight truck WBs all that much), since I wasn't vibing on the Ventures stock and Bones felt like too much work.

One thing to note and there is recent talk about how much the pivot cups are shit lately in thunders, not so in Ventures, they have the khiro squish to them and feel like quality compared to the hard ass ones in thunders and indys. However, I swapped them out with some worn in cracked ice indy cups (when using bones) and it really helps break them in, the stock cups are really snug (obviously).

Seriously the ACE bushing combo in Ventures is fucking on point. it gets them surfing but still stable; not as surfy as Indy or ACE but somewhere between a Thunder and an Indy maybe?
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Damn, was having a decent time on my stock 5.8 Venture tis (with riptide cups) but this sounds very tempting. Buying two sets of ace bushings just to mix and match them in ventures sounds like a giant pain though. Is it really worth it?
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I know...it sucks...but I bit the bullet a while back for my Ti Indys, it was great. The ACE standard top/stock bushing is fucking TALL.

I tried 8.5 ti Ventures stock, stiff but stable didn't 'move me' to stick with it after a few weeks; tried riptides, was 'ok'.

****MADNESS****

I tired again with 5.6 hollow ventures, stock, meh. Bones med bottom/soft top (bones washer bottom/top), riptides = acceptable, but still not feeling it - bones soft bottom/soft top too squirrly.

Put in the ACEs (big bottom, low top), reg bottom Venture washer (they are bigger than ACEs so you get some flex), bones top washer (stock washer binds if you run loose!!!), riptides. Fucking great. Really. Really. fucking. great.

DLX, rip-off/make a deal with ACE to ship with these duros/bushings.

Would you say its still worth doing if I don't ride really loose trucks? I'm running my Ventures stock with the nut about a half turn tighter than flush with the kingpin. I weigh 195 and feel like given that, it's a solid medium. Ventures never felt like a truck that was supposed to be skated loose in my experience, probably due to the slow turn I feel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on December 09, 2019, 08:21:30 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 09, 2019, 02:09:18 PM
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I know I would be the last person expected to ask this

But are the riptide pivot cups really worth it?

They’re in the cart and I’m ready to pay but I’m thinking

Are they really worth it?
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 09, 2019, 08:29:14 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 09, 2019, 07:43:21 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on December 09, 2019, 05:41:31 PM
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Quote from: Xen on December 09, 2019, 02:22:39 PM
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Quote from: roba on December 05, 2019, 03:09:26 PM
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do ace bushings work with ventures?
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Only if you mixed a set of tall and lows. Tall bottom, low top, then it's close (ish) to a standard indy bushing set which is the same height as Ventures.

[close]

Hell yes they work.

On a whim, I dug out my spare ACE bushings (regular bottoms and low tops that I used in my Indys) and threw them in my 5.6" Ventures (replacing Bones medium bottom/soft top, which it turns out does make the turn better but also makes you feel like you need to 'balance' to maintain stability, if that makes sense, something I've never felt with any other truck using bones).

Anyway back to ACE bushings in Ventures.

Holy shit.

They feel amazing (just like they make ACE and Indy's feel amazballs), they also work their magic in Ventures.

I was seriously thinking of jumping back to Thunders (I finally realizes I don't like tight truck WBs all that much), since I wasn't vibing on the Ventures stock and Bones felt like too much work.

One thing to note and there is recent talk about how much the pivot cups are shit lately in thunders, not so in Ventures, they have the khiro squish to them and feel like quality compared to the hard ass ones in thunders and indys. However, I swapped them out with some worn in cracked ice indy cups (when using bones) and it really helps break them in, the stock cups are really snug (obviously).

Seriously the ACE bushing combo in Ventures is fucking on point. it gets them surfing but still stable; not as surfy as Indy or ACE but somewhere between a Thunder and an Indy maybe?
[close]

Damn, was having a decent time on my stock 5.8 Venture tis (with riptide cups) but this sounds very tempting. Buying two sets of ace bushings just to mix and match them in ventures sounds like a giant pain though. Is it really worth it?
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I know...it sucks...but I bit the bullet a while back for my Ti Indys, it was great. The ACE standard top/stock bushing is fucking TALL.

I tried 8.5 ti Ventures stock, stiff but stable didn't 'move me' to stick with it after a few weeks; tried riptides, was 'ok'.

****MADNESS****

I tired again with 5.6 hollow ventures, stock, meh. Bones med bottom/soft top (bones washer bottom/top), riptides = acceptable, but still not feeling it - bones soft bottom/soft top too squirrly.

Put in the ACEs (big bottom, low top), reg bottom Venture washer (they are bigger than ACEs so you get some flex), bones top washer (stock washer binds if you run loose!!!), riptides. Fucking great. Really. Really. fucking. great.

DLX, rip-off/make a deal with ACE to ship with these duros/bushings.

youre a mad scientist. does the venture with ace bushings combo work without riptides or do they really elevate the riding experience?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on December 09, 2019, 08:39:25 PM
Quote from: rob on December 08, 2019, 11:22:49 PM
I know I would be the last person expected to ask this

But are the riptide pivot cups really worth it?

They’re in the cart and I’m ready to pay but I’m thinking

Are they really worth it?

I want to know too because you guys seem like these pivot cups automatically turn you into the best skaters ever. Why not just put wax in the pivot cups?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Woos on December 09, 2019, 10:43:56 PM
Just bought my brother his first board and went with stand Stage 11 149s. He’s a strong/tall 23 year old and the stock bushings are way too soft for his size and skill level.  I don’t want to get him too hard of bushings but he needs something more stable.

I’m leaning towards Indy Hard Cylinders over my preferred Bones Hardcores (I usually go medium or medium too with a hard bottom depending on the trucks).

Does that sound like a good idea? I’m thinking the cylinder will prevent wheelbite/bottoming our a little bit better than Conical Indy or Bones Bushings.

Also do Indy bushings tend to get harder as they break in or just softer?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 10, 2019, 12:52:03 AM
Quote from: Woos on December 09, 2019, 10:43:56 PM
Just bought my brother his first board and went with stand Stage 11 149s. He’s a strong/tall 23 year old and the stock bushings are way too soft for his size and skill level.  I don’t want to get him too hard of bushings but he needs something more stable.

I’m leaning towards Indy Hard Cylinders over my preferred Bones Hardcores (I usually go medium or medium too with a hard bottom depending on the trucks).

Does that sound like a good idea? I’m thinking the cylinder will prevent wheelbite/bottoming our a little bit better than Conical Indy or Bones Bushings.

Also do Indy bushings tend to get harder as they break in or just softer?

my first deck had indy stage 11 and as a tall rider, found that they were too unstable when i first started skating. went the bones hardcore route with the highest duro and that was a huge improvement, but still not good enough. rode them setup like that until i could comfortably set up some thunders, which has felt like home to me ever since.

i think it has to do with the geo. if you ride stage 11 anything but tight, the slightest bit of lean will result in turning.
it might be due to the 55mm stock height that made them feel tippy side to side. i vividly remember hating those trucks. the amount of energy i needed just to set up for tricks almost broke me. unless i had my body weight dead center (hard thing to do when your center of gravity is higher), the board would turn left or right just before i popped, fucking everything up. tried them tight and the issue was a little better, but at the cost of boardfeel which is huge for a newbie. i was stoked when i got a good enough excuse to buy a new setup because those trucks were a huge pain in the ass for me.

indys make me feel like im surfing. i plays tricks on me. i let my body just go with the flow. this is a non issue if im cruising. when its time to be serious, its hard to balance while bending knees, keeping balance, finding center of gravity, etc. these are fundamentals you should plan to get dialed as a beginner and its frustrating if you cant balance easily. imo thunders are a much more controlled turn where they dont break straight line movement until you really want them to. they are noticeably lower. i lean into my turns on thunders and its more of a commanded turn in a sense. their marketing team got it right with the "know control" slogan which describes the trucks well even though skate marketing is really cringy.

when i first bought my first setup, i really fell for the "ride the best, fuck the rest" shit people kept telling me. i steered clear of the brands that "dont turn" only to realize that can mean fucking anything and is a poor excuse of a description. nowadays i equate that description with "stability" and thats what im really diggin right now. stability has made skating way easier than the amount the trucks turn ever will. going to try out some ventures real soon.

TLDR: indys and other "carvy" trucks have a higher learning curve and arent the best option for beginners from my own experience. also, if your brother likes skating now, i doubt he will ever stop. its a strong drug and a stage of truck madness is just a part of the trip. try everything if you can and if not, make calculated decisions with what you buy and rule certain things out. its working for me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on December 10, 2019, 01:16:30 AM
Quote from: off on December 10, 2019, 12:52:03 AM
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Just bought my brother his first board and went with stand Stage 11 149s. He’s a strong/tall 23 year old and the stock bushings are way too soft for his size and skill level.  I don’t want to get him too hard of bushings but he needs something more stable.

I’m leaning towards Indy Hard Cylinders over my preferred Bones Hardcores (I usually go medium or medium too with a hard bottom depending on the trucks).

Does that sound like a good idea? I’m thinking the cylinder will prevent wheelbite/bottoming our a little bit better than Conical Indy or Bones Bushings.

Also do Indy bushings tend to get harder as they break in or just softer?
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TLDR: indys and other "carvy" trucks have a higher learning curve and arent the best option for beginners from my own experience. also, if your brother likes skating now, i doubt he will ever stop. its a strong drug and a stage of truck madness is just a part of the trip. try everything if you can and if not, make calculated decisions with what you buy and rule certain things out. its working for me

TLDR - don't introduce him to the Slap trucks trend.

I'm inclined to feel that they (truck setups, geometry) doesn't matter as much to beginners as it does it more seasoned guys. Go decently price for the first setup (regular Indy's or Thunders, since they are the "most standard" geometry) with stock bushings and work with them to figure it out when they are ready to take their skateboarding to the next step. Gear madness is fine for folks who have been doing this for a while, but getting lost in the nitty gritty of their setup can make beginners spend more time off the board than on.
That said I'm not a bushing expert so I'll let the hardcore bushing nerds comment on this.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dakara on December 10, 2019, 01:17:34 AM
Quote from: fang on December 09, 2019, 10:40:02 AM
Anyone run smaller trucks than board width? I've got a 8.375 on deck but 139s and I hate breaking in trucks. Last time I did a wide deck to small board was literally 20 years ago.

I’m currently running Indy 129 on an 8 inch. Although it’s not the biggest difference, I do not like it. I don’t feel stable setting up on tricks were my front foot is not in the center of the board
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on December 10, 2019, 02:50:56 AM
I used to like tight trucks for some reason. Indy hard cylinders feel way harder than Bones hards. It was almost impossible turning with those. Would not recommend unless you want to go straight only. Megaramp shit.

Also what other people said, getting into gear madness straight on isn’t the wisest choice. I think stock bushings cranked to where it feels ok enough to not wheelbite easily is the best for a beginner.

You gotta remember that a beginner likely does not have all the small muscles developed all that well to keep the ankles stable on a board. Going with rock hard bushings will only slow that development and make them tic tac around a bunch. Not worth it IMO. It takes time to learn how to skateboard, there’s no way around it. Even if the beginner is an athletic person to begin with. Skating requires different kind of muscle control than many other activities.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 10, 2019, 05:12:36 AM
For those that have skated Ace/Thunder/Indy plenty, and have a more carvey/transition preference when they skate, do those new Venture 5.8’s or 6.1’s do good when you get the right bushings going? They’re probably the only truck company I’ve never tried along with Krux and those other ones that might as well not exist.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stigmata on December 10, 2019, 06:03:07 AM
Ive been currently riding the "standard conical" 92 medium hard Indy bushings and i like em. The sharper turnability didnt take me long to get used to. Ive tried the medium top/hard bottom cylinder combo and it felt way too stiff for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on December 10, 2019, 06:21:45 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 10, 2019, 05:12:36 AM
For those that have skated Ace/Thunder/Indy plenty, and have a more carvey/transition preference when they skate, do those new Venture 5.8’s or 6.1’s do good when you get the right bushings going? They’re probably the only truck company I’ve never tried along with Krux and those other ones that might as well not exist.
i left mine with the stock bushings and they are very nice once they breakin, my friend and a few others ride the bones mediums and they feel great aswell
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on December 10, 2019, 08:12:35 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 10, 2019, 05:12:36 AM
For those that have skated Ace/Thunder/Indy plenty, and have a more carvey/transition preference when they skate, do those new Venture 5.8’s or 6.1’s do good when you get the right bushings going? They’re probably the only truck company I’ve never tried along with Krux and those other ones that might as well not exist.

I dunno if I've skated anything plenty, especially Thunder and I'm not really a tranny guy but I do like pumping bowls and I love how easy it is with Aces and in general love how Aces turn no matter what I'm skating. I tested my Venture 5.8s in our indoor park which is very transition heavy. Side by side comparison with Aces with all sorts of bushing combos on the Ventures. No matter how loose you get them, they're not that nice on a bowl. The turn just bottoms out and it won't go any sharper. Being used to Aces it felt way off. Would it be doable? Probably. Would you have to get used to it and maybe adjust your skating? Most definitely. I still haven't given up entirely on the Ventures and do plan on setting them up at some point with a shorter wheelbase board but my plan is to do that during spring/summer/fall, not during winter when we have the transition heavy indoor season.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 10, 2019, 10:14:21 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on December 09, 2019, 08:09:57 PM
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do ace bushings work with ventures?
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Only if you mixed a set of tall and lows. Tall bottom, low top, then it's close (ish) to a standard indy bushing set which is the same height as Ventures.

[close]

Hell yes they work.

On a whim, I dug out my spare ACE bushings (regular bottoms and low tops that I used in my Indys) and threw them in my 5.6" Ventures (replacing Bones medium bottom/soft top, which it turns out does make the turn better but also makes you feel like you need to 'balance' to maintain stability, if that makes sense, something I've never felt with any other truck using bones).

Anyway back to ACE bushings in Ventures.

Holy shit.

They feel amazing (just like they make ACE and Indy's feel amazballs), they also work their magic in Ventures.

I was seriously thinking of jumping back to Thunders (I finally realizes I don't like tight truck WBs all that much), since I wasn't vibing on the Ventures stock and Bones felt like too much work.

One thing to note and there is recent talk about how much the pivot cups are shit lately in thunders, not so in Ventures, they have the khiro squish to them and feel like quality compared to the hard ass ones in thunders and indys. However, I swapped them out with some worn in cracked ice indy cups (when using bones) and it really helps break them in, the stock cups are really snug (obviously).

Seriously the ACE bushing combo in Ventures is fucking on point. it gets them surfing but still stable; not as surfy as Indy or ACE but somewhere between a Thunder and an Indy maybe?
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Damn, was having a decent time on my stock 5.8 Venture tis (with riptide cups) but this sounds very tempting. Buying two sets of ace bushings just to mix and match them in ventures sounds like a giant pain though. Is it really worth it?
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I know...it sucks...but I bit the bullet a while back for my Ti Indys, it was great. The ACE standard top/stock bushing is fucking TALL.

I tried 8.5 ti Ventures stock, stiff but stable didn't 'move me' to stick with it after a few weeks; tried riptides, was 'ok'.

****MADNESS****

I tired again with 5.6 hollow ventures, stock, meh. Bones med bottom/soft top (bones washer bottom/top), riptides = acceptable, but still not feeling it - bones soft bottom/soft top too squirrly.

Put in the ACEs (big bottom, low top), reg bottom Venture washer (they are bigger than ACEs so you get some flex), bones top washer (stock washer binds if you run loose!!!), riptides. Fucking great. Really. Really. fucking. great.

DLX, rip-off/make a deal with ACE to ship with these duros/bushings.
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Would you say its still worth doing if I don't ride really loose trucks? I'm running my Ventures stock with the nut about a half turn tighter than flush with the kingpin. I weigh 195 and feel like given that, it's a solid medium. Ventures never felt like a truck that was supposed to be skated loose in my experience, probably due to the slow turn I feel.

Nope. You'd be better off stock or throwing some aftermarket indys in the stock venture bushings do them a disservice. I'm about 180 give or take a few given the day and skate loose enough to be carvy and get wheelbite (with any truck using 52mm wheels).

They're certainly not ACE killers but with all the bushing combos I've tried and not liking how Ventures felt, this combo feels really really nice to me (and I'm OCD with the MADNESS). I'd go as far as to say they just make them a very neutral feeling truck (which might be a turn off to some).

Quote from: Roisto on December 10, 2019, 08:12:35 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 10, 2019, 05:12:36 AM
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For those that have skated Ace/Thunder/Indy plenty, and have a more carvey/transition preference when they skate, do those new Venture 5.8’s or 6.1’s do good when you get the right bushings going? They’re probably the only truck company I’ve never tried along with Krux and those other ones that might as well not exist.
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I dunno if I've skated anything plenty, especially Thunder and I'm not really a tranny guy but I do like pumping bowls and I love how easy it is with Aces and in general love how Aces turn no matter what I'm skating. I tested my Venture 5.8s in our indoor park which is very transition heavy. Side by side comparison with Aces with all sorts of bushing combos on the Ventures. No matter how loose you get them, they're not that nice on a bowl. The turn just bottoms out and it won't go any sharper. Being used to Aces it felt way off. Would it be doable? Probably. Would you have to get used to it and maybe adjust your skating? Most definitely. I still haven't given up entirely on the Ventures and do plan on setting them up at some point with a shorter wheelbase board but my plan is to do that during spring/summer/fall, not during winter when we have the transition heavy indoor season.

Agree with this for sure. I know my lines in local bowls (just like you know yours) and riding ACES it's effortless, riding Thunders or Ventures takes a little modification in how you skate, the muscle memory and the geometry don't match up after ACEs. But it's totally doable. Hell the best season (last summer) I've had in transition was riding 8.18" Theeves on an 8.38. Go figure.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on December 10, 2019, 06:47:52 PM
Read somewhere on this thread that white 90a thunder bushings were the shit. I got to try them out today, and indeed the are the shit. They feel way better than the 90a stock clear blue bushings in the team standards.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on December 10, 2019, 11:41:38 PM
Asked this in the Ace thread but might as well put it here too.

What are peoples preference when it comes to 55's vs. 159? Slightly wider, heavier and lower. Tossing between these two for my next 8.6 but not sure about the extra weight/extreme hot-rodding (which I do like, to an extent).

Ideally I'd like to ride my 44's because they're the most broken in truck I have, but the width just isn't cutting it even with extra washers and 56mm+ conical fulls.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on December 11, 2019, 04:42:09 AM
Quote from: texasplant on December 10, 2019, 11:41:38 PM
Asked this in the Ace thread but might as well put it here too.

What are peoples preference when it comes to 55's vs. 159? Slightly wider, heavier and lower. Tossing between these two for my next 8.6 but not sure about the extra weight/extreme hot-rodding (which I do like, to an extent).

Ideally I'd like to ride my 44's because they're the most broken in truck I have, but the width just isn't cutting it even with extra washers and 56mm+ conical fulls.

Once I had switched to 44s on my main set up (from Indy 149s) I couldn't get along with 159s on my cruiser anymore. They just didn't feel right. Switched to 55s and it felt like home right away. Awesome trucks. Little bit wider, yeah, but that didn't bother me with the 8.9" deck I had back then. But really, Ace can't come out with the 8.75" truck fast enough cuz there are all sorts of yummy boards between 8.5" and 9"!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on December 11, 2019, 04:13:00 PM
Had some risers on my thunders for half a session last night and decided it wasn’t for me. I tried
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on December 11, 2019, 04:17:11 PM
Wanna play around with wheelbases but don't wanna drill holes?
Try these Indy knockoffs. Couple more styles on the sale page but they aren't 8-hole
https://www.fullcircledistribution.com/collections/caliber-truck-co/products/caliber-standard-9-raw-silver-trucks


(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1643/1067/products/CaliberStreet_1_d42cfb66-a24f-475b-a28d-d942b8642898_1024x1024.jpg?v=1537923570)


(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1643/1067/products/CaliberStreet_3_5278cafa-d1f0-4513-830a-29c8d5cc42be_1024x1024.jpg?v=1537923570)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 11, 2019, 04:51:18 PM
Quote from: satan on December 11, 2019, 04:17:11 PM
Wanna play around with wheelbases but don't wanna drill holes?
Try these Indy knockoffs. Couple more styles on the sale page but they aren't 8-hole
https://www.fullcircledistribution.com/collections/caliber-truck-co/products/caliber-standard-9-raw-silver-trucks

Interesting concept, but with that layout you only have the option to shorten the wheelbase from the standard setup. If they're Indy knockoffs in WB as well that would result in a sub-Theeve shortness of wheelbase (if the holes a 5/8" spacing like 6 hole plates). Might make for a fucked up feeling truck in terms of pop.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on December 11, 2019, 05:09:35 PM
Quote from: palelight on December 11, 2019, 04:51:18 PM
Quote from: satan on December 11, 2019, 04:17:11 PM
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Wanna play around with wheelbases but don't wanna drill holes?
Try these Indy knockoffs. Couple more styles on the sale page but they aren't 8-hole
https://www.fullcircledistribution.com/collections/caliber-truck-co/products/caliber-standard-9-raw-silver-trucks
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Interesting concept, but with that layout you only have the option to shorten the wheelbase from the standard setup. If they're Indy knockoffs in WB as well that would result in a sub-Theeve shortness of wheelbase (if the holes a 5/8" spacing like 6 hole plates). Might make for a fucked up feeling truck in terms of pop.
Yep, can only go to a shorter wheelbase. And you might be scraping your hardware like the early 90's
Would work for me cuz I don't like +14.25" WB. And only cuz I have a pipe dream of an early-90's shape without the 14.5" WB. Couldn't bring myself to do it on a normal board

But I thought it was a 3/8" difference? 2.5" vs 2.125". I'm too lazy to look it up


Anyone crazy enough to redrill their base plates? I got some ideas on how to align them and mark hole centers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 11, 2019, 06:00:42 PM
Quote from: satan on December 11, 2019, 05:09:35 PM
Yep, can only go to a shorter wheelbase. And you might be scraping your hardware like the early 90's
Would work for me cuz I don't like +14.25" WB. And only cuz I have a pipe dream of an early-90's shape without the 14.5" WB. Couldn't bring myself to do it on a normal board

But I thought it was a 3/8" difference? 2.5" vs 2.125". I'm too lazy to look it up


Anyone crazy enough to redrill their base plates? I got some ideas on how to align them and mark hole centers

Quasi just released a football shape with a sub 14" wb, Quasi's are aslo pretty flat in terms of concave and tail.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 11, 2019, 08:35:54 PM
Quote from: satan on December 11, 2019, 05:09:35 PM
Quote from: palelight on December 11, 2019, 04:51:18 PM
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Quote from: satan on December 11, 2019, 04:17:11 PM
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Wanna play around with wheelbases but don't wanna drill holes?
Try these Indy knockoffs. Couple more styles on the sale page but they aren't 8-hole
https://www.fullcircledistribution.com/collections/caliber-truck-co/products/caliber-standard-9-raw-silver-trucks
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Interesting concept, but with that layout you only have the option to shorten the wheelbase from the standard setup. If they're Indy knockoffs in WB as well that would result in a sub-Theeve shortness of wheelbase (if the holes a 5/8" spacing like 6 hole plates). Might make for a fucked up feeling truck in terms of pop.
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Yep, can only go to a shorter wheelbase. And you might be scraping your hardware like the early 90's
Would work for me cuz I don't like +14.25" WB. And only cuz I have a pipe dream of an early-90's shape without the 14.5" WB. Couldn't bring myself to do it on a normal board

But I thought it was a 3/8" difference? 2.5" vs 2.125". I'm too lazy to look it up


Anyone crazy enough to redrill their base plates? I got some ideas on how to align them and mark hole centers

check out polar. dane 1 and 1991 shape are both sub 14.5 wb
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 11, 2019, 10:42:37 PM
Quote from: off on December 09, 2019, 08:29:14 PM
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do ace bushings work with ventures?
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Only if you mixed a set of tall and lows. Tall bottom, low top, then it's close (ish) to a standard indy bushing set which is the same height as Ventures.

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Hell yes they work.

On a whim, I dug out my spare ACE bushings (regular bottoms and low tops that I used in my Indys) and threw them in my 5.6" Ventures (replacing Bones medium bottom/soft top, which it turns out does make the turn better but also makes you feel like you need to 'balance' to maintain stability, if that makes sense, something I've never felt with any other truck using bones).

Anyway back to ACE bushings in Ventures.

Holy shit.

They feel amazing (just like they make ACE and Indy's feel amazballs), they also work their magic in Ventures.

I was seriously thinking of jumping back to Thunders (I finally realizes I don't like tight truck WBs all that much), since I wasn't vibing on the Ventures stock and Bones felt like too much work.

One thing to note and there is recent talk about how much the pivot cups are shit lately in thunders, not so in Ventures, they have the khiro squish to them and feel like quality compared to the hard ass ones in thunders and indys. However, I swapped them out with some worn in cracked ice indy cups (when using bones) and it really helps break them in, the stock cups are really snug (obviously).

Seriously the ACE bushing combo in Ventures is fucking on point. it gets them surfing but still stable; not as surfy as Indy or ACE but somewhere between a Thunder and an Indy maybe?
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Damn, was having a decent time on my stock 5.8 Venture tis (with riptide cups) but this sounds very tempting. Buying two sets of ace bushings just to mix and match them in ventures sounds like a giant pain though. Is it really worth it?
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I know...it sucks...but I bit the bullet a while back for my Ti Indys, it was great. The ACE standard top/stock bushing is fucking TALL.

I tried 8.5 ti Ventures stock, stiff but stable didn't 'move me' to stick with it after a few weeks; tried riptides, was 'ok'.

****MADNESS****

I tired again with 5.6 hollow ventures, stock, meh. Bones med bottom/soft top (bones washer bottom/top), riptides = acceptable, but still not feeling it - bones soft bottom/soft top too squirrly.

Put in the ACEs (big bottom, low top), reg bottom Venture washer (they are bigger than ACEs so you get some flex), bones top washer (stock washer binds if you run loose!!!), riptides. Fucking great. Really. Really. fucking. great.

DLX, rip-off/make a deal with ACE to ship with these duros/bushings.
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youre a mad scientist. does the venture with ace bushings combo work without riptides or do they really elevate the riding experience?

It works without them, the riptides I'm using are pretty worn in (not hotdog down a hallway but not snug like when they are new); that said, I had tried the riptides in my previous ventures (with stock bushings) and could tell the difference. Just like if you swapped stock new bushings for stock broken in bushing you'd feel it.

The ACE bushings do make the Ventures sing - while still feeling like ventures, only now they're surfy Ventures.

I've ridden ACE bushings in all the major trucks (+ML and Tensor) and they improve the feeling of all of them (Except Theeve/Tensor/Thunder where it didn't help at all, probably due to the barrel bottom).


Quote from: yourbreakfsat on December 09, 2019, 08:39:25 PM
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I know I would be the last person expected to ask this

But are the riptide pivot cups really worth it?

They’re in the cart and I’m ready to pay but I’m thinking

Are they really worth it?
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I want to know too because you guys seem like these pivot cups automatically turn you into the best skaters ever. Why not just put wax in the pivot cups?

No one has ever said riptides made them skate better only that they felt better skating them.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cricketclub on December 12, 2019, 10:37:11 AM
This has surely been covered somewhere on this very extensive thread but here it is.

I am happy skating Indy's but I was curious... IF I tried Thunders but wanted to keep the same axle to axle wheelbase... which board WB should I switch to?

According to Ben Degros Thunder WB is about 1/4" longer than Indy. So since I ride a 14.25, theoretically I would like a 14" WB deck with Thunders. Now fingers-of-flat, board length, etc. would come in to play too so I don't think I will ever bother but I was curious.

https://youtu.be/qgqZtaiI_X4
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 12, 2019, 11:10:24 AM
Switching around a lot was one of the worst things I have ever done. I know that Quasi 8.5 with Ace is magic and a lot of 8.25 with 14.25WB with Indy is magic. Thunders pop less for me with 8.25, but I like them all around more so I settle.

New Thrasher cover has Tom Knox with risers. Is he on super loose trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on December 12, 2019, 11:12:32 AM
Quote from: cricketclub on December 12, 2019, 10:37:11 AM
This has surely been covered somewhere on this very extensive thread but here it is.

I am happy skating Indy's but I was curious... IF I tried Thunders but wanted to keep the same axle to axle wheelbase... which board WB should I switch to?

According to Ben Degros Thunder WB is about 1/4" longer than Indy. So since I ride a 14.25, theoretically I would like a 14" WB deck with Thunders. Now fingers-of-flat, board length, etc. would come in to play too so I don't think I will ever bother but I was curious.

https://youtu.be/qgqZtaiI_X4


Yes your correct. 14" wb to get "similar" turning radius, and more fingers of flat to give some what equal pop.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skatansfinest666 on December 13, 2019, 12:31:15 AM
Quote from: somethingmustbreaknow on December 20, 2015, 01:42:33 PM
i dont really mess around with my trucks.
i ride independent stage 11 149. 3 speedrings on the inside, 1 on the outside to keep the axlenut flush.
i never tighten/loosen the trucks. i just leave them how i got them.
the longer i ride the same pair of trucks the softer they get, due to the bushings. i kinda like it that way and i dont wanna screw around too much.

My question is where do I find aftermarket bearing spacers that actually fit my wheels? The bones ones that come with Swiss and reds don’t fit any of my F4 spitfires? I ride full conical or radial full and have never had any to fit flush and snuggish? Anyone have any ideas? Assuming I gotta measure the circumference of the wheel core and find spacers that match my measurements and sizes?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skatansfinest666 on December 13, 2019, 12:32:56 AM
Quote from: satan on December 11, 2019, 04:17:11 PM
Wanna play around with wheelbases but don't wanna drill holes?
Try these Indy knockoffs. Couple more styles on the sale page but they aren't 8-hole
https://www.fullcircledistribution.com/collections/caliber-truck-co/products/caliber-standard-9-raw-silver-trucks

Thee actually look really appealing they’ve got an ACE/Indy hybrid look going on here no gonna lie they look really good imo hahaha

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1643/1067/products/CaliberStreet_1_d42cfb66-a24f-475b-a28d-d942b8642898_1024x1024.jpg?v=1537923570)


(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1643/1067/products/CaliberStreet_3_5278cafa-d1f0-4513-830a-29c8d5cc42be_1024x1024.jpg?v=1537923570)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chappers on December 13, 2019, 04:52:17 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on December 12, 2019, 11:10:24 AM
Switching around a lot was one of the worst things I have ever done. I know that Quasi 8.5 with Ace is magic and a lot of 8.25 with 14.25WB with Indy is magic. Thunders pop less for me with 8.25, but I like them all around more so I settle.

New Thrasher cover has Tom Knox with risers. Is he on super loose trucks?

mike arnold called him tommy tight trucks so id imagine its either cause he likes the height or how risers feel. i never use risers but my brother wont skate a board without em
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 13, 2019, 05:01:05 AM
Quote from: chappers on December 13, 2019, 04:52:17 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on December 12, 2019, 11:10:24 AM
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Switching around a lot was one of the worst things I have ever done. I know that Quasi 8.5 with Ace is magic and a lot of 8.25 with 14.25WB with Indy is magic. Thunders pop less for me with 8.25, but I like them all around more so I settle.

New Thrasher cover has Tom Knox with risers. Is he on super loose trucks?
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mike arnold called him tommy tight trucks so id imagine its either cause he likes the height or how risers feel. i never use risers but my brother wont skate a board without em

If it's from the pic on his instagram, it's kind of hard to tell but it looks like it might just be lighting? You got a better pic? Definitely doesn't have risers in other recent shots.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on December 13, 2019, 06:58:37 AM
Quote from: Skatansfinest666 on December 13, 2019, 12:31:15 AM
Quote from: somethingmustbreaknow on December 20, 2015, 01:42:33 PM
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i dont really mess around with my trucks.
i ride independent stage 11 149. 3 speedrings on the inside, 1 on the outside to keep the axlenut flush.
i never tighten/loosen the trucks. i just leave them how i got them.
the longer i ride the same pair of trucks the softer they get, due to the bushings. i kinda like it that way and i dont wanna screw around too much.
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My question is where do I find aftermarket bearing spacers that actually fit my wheels? The bones ones that come with Swiss and reds don’t fit any of my F4 spitfires? I ride full conical or radial full and have never had any to fit flush and snuggish? Anyone have any ideas? Assuming I gotta measure the circumference of the wheel core and find spacers that match my measurements and sizes?
Modus spacers work great in my F4s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cool Ceith on December 13, 2019, 09:52:18 AM
Anybody know which trucks got Manny Santiago into the 9 club?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on December 13, 2019, 10:04:38 AM
Quote from: Cool Ceith on December 13, 2019, 09:52:18 AM
Anybody know which trucks got Manny Santiago into the 9 club?
(https://www.thrashermagazine.com/imagesV2/Trash/2010/06/MannyVentureAd_610.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 13, 2019, 08:29:00 PM
Quote from: palelight on December 13, 2019, 05:01:05 AM
Quote from: chappers on December 13, 2019, 04:52:17 AM
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Switching around a lot was one of the worst things I have ever done. I know that Quasi 8.5 with Ace is magic and a lot of 8.25 with 14.25WB with Indy is magic. Thunders pop less for me with 8.25, but I like them all around more so I settle.

New Thrasher cover has Tom Knox with risers. Is he on super loose trucks?
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mike arnold called him tommy tight trucks so id imagine its either cause he likes the height or how risers feel. i never use risers but my brother wont skate a board without em
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If it's from the pic on his instagram, it's kind of hard to tell but it looks like it might just be lighting? You got a better pic? Definitely doesn't have risers in other recent shots.

open in the browser or peep it in real life they're there for sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skatansfinest666 on December 13, 2019, 08:41:04 PM
Hey guys so I’m at a standstill on what trucks to buy this week I’m an Indy guy but I’m getting either venture hi 5.8 or ace 44..I think from what I’ve ridden that I really prefer a long WB board with a shorter WB truck.. seeing as I like anti hero with indys. But I’ve recently got a wknd board that’s WB is 14 3/16 so with the indys it’s something way too short for me at 13 11/16..hence is why I think the venture hi 5.8 will extend the WB not as much as my thunders which it was too long for my to get used to so I feel like the ventures will be able to bring out this boards real potential for me to enjoy cuz it’s been in the corner after seshs and I’m back in zero 8.5 with 149 indy hollows.. pls help with any boards that will be good for longer WB and will go good with ace and also the same for venture it’ll all be appreciated! I’ve been told by many that krooked ia really good with aces cuz they usually have long WB? I feel my ideal WB  14” to 14.25” . Thanks y’all
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 13, 2019, 11:00:07 PM
Quote from: Skatansfinest666 on December 13, 2019, 08:41:04 PM
Hey guys so I’m at a standstill on what trucks to buy this week I’m an Indy guy but I’m getting either venture hi 5.8 or ace 44..I think from what I’ve ridden that I really prefer a long WB board with a shorter WB truck.. seeing as I like anti hero with indys. But I’ve recently got a wknd board that’s WB is 14 3/16 so with the indys it’s something way too short for me at 13 11/16..hence is why I think the venture hi 5.8 will extend the WB not as much as my thunders which it was too long for my to get used to so I feel like the ventures will be able to bring out this boards real potential for me to enjoy cuz it’s been in the corner after seshs and I’m back in zero 8.5 with 149 indy hollows.. pls help with any boards that will be good for longer WB and will go good with ace and also the same for venture it’ll all be appreciated! I’ve been told by many that krooked ia really good with aces cuz they usually have long WB? I feel my ideal WB  14” to 14.25” . Thanks y’all

I’m in the same zone: short, I think I like wb 14-14.25 best but dunno. Riding thunder 149s, want ventures just cuz. Looking for wide boards that work best with those trucks. Please and thanks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on December 13, 2019, 11:36:29 PM
Quote from: Ok on December 13, 2019, 11:00:07 PM
Quote from: Skatansfinest666 on December 13, 2019, 08:41:04 PM
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Hey guys so I’m at a standstill on what trucks to buy this week I’m an Indy guy but I’m getting either venture hi 5.8 or ace 44..I think from what I’ve ridden that I really prefer a long WB board with a shorter WB truck.. seeing as I like anti hero with indys. But I’ve recently got a wknd board that’s WB is 14 3/16 so with the indys it’s something way too short for me at 13 11/16..hence is why I think the venture hi 5.8 will extend the WB not as much as my thunders which it was too long for my to get used to so I feel like the ventures will be able to bring out this boards real potential for me to enjoy cuz it’s been in the corner after seshs and I’m back in zero 8.5 with 149 indy hollows.. pls help with any boards that will be good for longer WB and will go good with ace and also the same for venture it’ll all be appreciated! I’ve been told by many that krooked ia really good with aces cuz they usually have long WB? I feel my ideal WB  14” to 14.25” . Thanks y’all
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I’m in the same zone: short, I think I like wb 14-14.25 best but dunno. Riding thunder 149s, want ventures just cuz. Looking for wide boards that work best with those trucks. Please and thanks.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

Found the photos and measurements in the photo super helpful in matching my trucks to WB.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on December 14, 2019, 04:59:48 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on December 13, 2019, 11:36:29 PM
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Hey guys so I’m at a standstill on what trucks to buy this week I’m an Indy guy but I’m getting either venture hi 5.8 or ace 44..I think from what I’ve ridden that I really prefer a long WB board with a shorter WB truck.. seeing as I like anti hero with indys. But I’ve recently got a wknd board that’s WB is 14 3/16 so with the indys it’s something way too short for me at 13 11/16..hence is why I think the venture hi 5.8 will extend the WB not as much as my thunders which it was too long for my to get used to so I feel like the ventures will be able to bring out this boards real potential for me to enjoy cuz it’s been in the corner after seshs and I’m back in zero 8.5 with 149 indy hollows.. pls help with any boards that will be good for longer WB and will go good with ace and also the same for venture it’ll all be appreciated! I’ve been told by many that krooked ia really good with aces cuz they usually have long WB? I feel my ideal WB  14” to 14.25” . Thanks y’all
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I’m in the same zone: short, I think I like wb 14-14.25 best but dunno. Riding thunder 149s, want ventures just cuz. Looking for wide boards that work best with those trucks. Please and thanks.
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https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

Found the photos and measurements in the photo super helpful in matching my trucks to WB.
just bookmarked that post yesterday because I am always looking for it and searching for it was a bitch
we need a reference or first post of this thread for that and add in a few more brands too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Live Fast Johnny on December 14, 2019, 05:03:28 AM
Been on Thunder 149's forever and want to change it up and quit wheelbiting so much.  I ride 8.25 square shapes and can't decide between 44's and 5.6's.  I usually run medium (not too tight, not too loose) and skate flat and manual pads mostly.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 14, 2019, 05:20:45 AM
Quote from: jay_nev on December 14, 2019, 04:59:48 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on December 13, 2019, 11:36:29 PM
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Quote from: Ok on December 13, 2019, 11:00:07 PM
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Quote from: Skatansfinest666 on December 13, 2019, 08:41:04 PM
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Hey guys so I’m at a standstill on what trucks to buy this week I’m an Indy guy but I’m getting either venture hi 5.8 or ace 44..I think from what I’ve ridden that I really prefer a long WB board with a shorter WB truck.. seeing as I like anti hero with indys. But I’ve recently got a wknd board that’s WB is 14 3/16 so with the indys it’s something way too short for me at 13 11/16..hence is why I think the venture hi 5.8 will extend the WB not as much as my thunders which it was too long for my to get used to so I feel like the ventures will be able to bring out this boards real potential for me to enjoy cuz it’s been in the corner after seshs and I’m back in zero 8.5 with 149 indy hollows.. pls help with any boards that will be good for longer WB and will go good with ace and also the same for venture it’ll all be appreciated! I’ve been told by many that krooked ia really good with aces cuz they usually have long WB? I feel my ideal WB  14” to 14.25” . Thanks y’all
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I’m in the same zone: short, I think I like wb 14-14.25 best but dunno. Riding thunder 149s, want ventures just cuz. Looking for wide boards that work best with those trucks. Please and thanks.
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https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

Found the photos and measurements in the photo super helpful in matching my trucks to WB.
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just bookmarked that post yesterday because I am always looking for it and searching for it was a bitch
we need a reference or first post of this thread for that and add in a few more brands too.

I just ordered a set of Venture 5.8 cast, so I'm going to add that measurement as well (slightly smaller WB than forged). Also going to compile all my shots of bushing height comparisons. Once I get everything in order I'll make a new thread for it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on December 14, 2019, 05:42:32 AM
Quote from: Live Fast Johnny on December 14, 2019, 05:03:28 AM
Been on Thunder 149's forever and want to change it up and quit wheelbiting so much.  I ride 8.25 square shapes and can't decide between 44's and 5.6's.  I usually run medium (not too tight, not too loose) and skate flat and manual pads mostly.  Thoughts?

Ventures are closer to Thunders in feeling and wheelbase. They're really hard to wheelbite too but so are Aces. Thunders maybe turn better than Ventures but if you're not running your Thunders loose I think Ventures turn pretty similar if you run them a tad looser. Ventures are quite stable in the middle while Aces are not. Aces turn very easily in the middle and have a really deep turn. Ventures turn fine but it's not a very deep turn. It all depends on what exactly you're looking for in trucks. But from reading your post I'd say Ventures. Ventures also have a magical pop that I cannot explain. It's very nice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on December 14, 2019, 06:12:27 AM
Anyone had issues with venture bushings getting “stuck” in position? Like when the board is pushed it continues in that path instead of leveling out? I know Ben degros mentioned but wondering if it’s a lack of break in thing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on December 14, 2019, 08:03:51 AM
Quote from: Roisto on December 14, 2019, 05:42:32 AM
Quote from: Live Fast Johnny on December 14, 2019, 05:03:28 AM
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Been on Thunder 149's forever and want to change it up and quit wheelbiting so much.  I ride 8.25 square shapes and can't decide between 44's and 5.6's.  I usually run medium (not too tight, not too loose) and skate flat and manual pads mostly.  Thoughts?
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Ventures are closer to Thunders in feeling and wheelbase. They're really hard to wheelbite too but so are Aces. Thunders maybe turn better than Ventures but if you're not running your Thunders loose I think Ventures turn pretty similar if you run them a tad looser. Ventures are quite stable in the middle while Aces are not. Aces turn very easily in the middle and have a really deep turn. Ventures turn fine but it's not a very deep turn. It all depends on what exactly you're looking for in trucks. But from reading your post I'd say Ventures. Ventures also have a magical pop that I cannot explain. It's very nice.

The thing you call "magical pop", is for us normal people called longest wb. Atleast as far as I know.
Venture has even longer wheelbase then Thunder.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on December 14, 2019, 08:21:03 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on December 14, 2019, 08:03:51 AM
Quote from: Roisto on December 14, 2019, 05:42:32 AM
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Quote from: Live Fast Johnny on December 14, 2019, 05:03:28 AM
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Been on Thunder 149's forever and want to change it up and quit wheelbiting so much.  I ride 8.25 square shapes and can't decide between 44's and 5.6's.  I usually run medium (not too tight, not too loose) and skate flat and manual pads mostly.  Thoughts?
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Ventures are closer to Thunders in feeling and wheelbase. They're really hard to wheelbite too but so are Aces. Thunders maybe turn better than Ventures but if you're not running your Thunders loose I think Ventures turn pretty similar if you run them a tad looser. Ventures are quite stable in the middle while Aces are not. Aces turn very easily in the middle and have a really deep turn. Ventures turn fine but it's not a very deep turn. It all depends on what exactly you're looking for in trucks. But from reading your post I'd say Ventures. Ventures also have a magical pop that I cannot explain. It's very nice.
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The thing you call "magical pop", is for us normal people called longest wb. Atleast as far as I know.
Venture has even longer wheelbase then Thunder.

I can't get that same pop with Aces even with a 15" wheelbase and a short ass tail. It really should be all about the placement of the axle in regards to the tail and the other axle but so far nothing else has popped even close to how Ventures pop for me.  :o
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Been on Thunder 149's forever and want to change it up and quit wheelbiting so much.  I ride 8.25 square shapes and can't decide between 44's and 5.6's.  I usually run medium (not too tight, not too loose) and skate flat and manual pads mostly.  Thoughts?
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Ventures are closer to Thunders in feeling and wheelbase. They're really hard to wheelbite too but so are Aces. Thunders maybe turn better than Ventures but if you're not running your Thunders loose I think Ventures turn pretty similar if you run them a tad looser. Ventures are quite stable in the middle while Aces are not. Aces turn very easily in the middle and have a really deep turn. Ventures turn fine but it's not a very deep turn. It all depends on what exactly you're looking for in trucks. But from reading your post I'd say Ventures. Ventures also have a magical pop that I cannot explain. It's very nice.
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The thing you call "magical pop", is for us normal people called longest wb. Atleast as far as I know.
Venture has even longer wheelbase then Thunder.
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I can't get that same pop with Aces even with a 15" wheelbase and a short ass tail. It really should be all about the placement of the axle in regards to the tail and the other axle but so far nothing else has popped even close to how Ventures pop for me.  :o

It's all about the "triangle", so check your boards angle. If the angle and weight is equal, and it still doesnt pop the same, its magic. It can also be that the board's balance is not equal. Maybe the nose is heavier, for logical reasons
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Been on Thunder 149's forever and want to change it up and quit wheelbiting so much.  I ride 8.25 square shapes and can't decide between 44's and 5.6's.  I usually run medium (not too tight, not too loose) and skate flat and manual pads mostly.  Thoughts?
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Ventures are closer to Thunders in feeling and wheelbase. They're really hard to wheelbite too but so are Aces. Thunders maybe turn better than Ventures but if you're not running your Thunders loose I think Ventures turn pretty similar if you run them a tad looser. Ventures are quite stable in the middle while Aces are not. Aces turn very easily in the middle and have a really deep turn. Ventures turn fine but it's not a very deep turn. It all depends on what exactly you're looking for in trucks. But from reading your post I'd say Ventures. Ventures also have a magical pop that I cannot explain. It's very nice.
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The thing you call "magical pop", is for us normal people called longest wb. Atleast as far as I know.
Venture has even longer wheelbase then Thunder.
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I can't get that same pop with Aces even with a 15" wheelbase and a short ass tail. It really should be all about the placement of the axle in regards to the tail and the other axle but so far nothing else has popped even close to how Ventures pop for me.  :o
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It's all about the "triangle", so check your boards angle. If the angle and weight is equal, and it still doesnt pop the same, its magic. It can also be that the board's balance is not equal. Maybe the nose is heavier, for logical reasons

I know that in theory I should be able to get the same pop from a setup with Aces than I get in general from setups with Ventures I just haven't found such boards yet. If I could I'd be all over them as I fucking love how Ventures pop and how Aces turn. That'd be my literal dream setup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UPPERCASEnocap on December 14, 2019, 10:09:27 AM
Quote from: Skatansfinest666 on December 13, 2019, 08:41:04 PM
Hey guys so I’m at a standstill on what trucks to buy this week I’m an Indy guy but I’m getting either venture hi 5.8 or ace 44..I think from what I’ve ridden that I really prefer a long WB board with a shorter WB truck.. seeing as I like anti hero with indys. But I’ve recently got a wknd board that’s WB is 14 3/16 so with the indys it’s something way too short for me at 13 11/16..hence is why I think the venture hi 5.8 will extend the WB not as much as my thunders which it was too long for my to get used to so I feel like the ventures will be able to bring out this boards real potential for me to enjoy cuz it’s been in the corner after seshs and I’m back in zero 8.5 with 149 indy hollows.. pls help with any boards that will be good for longer WB and will go good with ace and also the same for venture it’ll all be appreciated! I’ve been told by many that krooked ia really good with aces cuz they usually have long WB? I feel my ideal WB  14” to 14.25” . Thanks y’all

14-14.25 is actually on the lower end. If you like 14 to 14.25 get yourself some ventures and you'll be glad you did. I have all the trucks and have put them on every wheelbase you can imagine. ventures on a 14-14.25 feels so good. It helped me learned nollie and switch as the pop is much quicker. try em. You'll be glad you did!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Been on Thunder 149's forever and want to change it up and quit wheelbiting so much.  I ride 8.25 square shapes and can't decide between 44's and 5.6's.  I usually run medium (not too tight, not too loose) and skate flat and manual pads mostly.  Thoughts?
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Ventures are closer to Thunders in feeling and wheelbase. They're really hard to wheelbite too but so are Aces. Thunders maybe turn better than Ventures but if you're not running your Thunders loose I think Ventures turn pretty similar if you run them a tad looser. Ventures are quite stable in the middle while Aces are not. Aces turn very easily in the middle and have a really deep turn. Ventures turn fine but it's not a very deep turn. It all depends on what exactly you're looking for in trucks. But from reading your post I'd say Ventures. Ventures also have a magical pop that I cannot explain. It's very nice.
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The thing you call "magical pop", is for us normal people called longest wb. Atleast as far as I know.
Venture has even longer wheelbase then Thunder.
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I can't get that same pop with Aces even with a 15" wheelbase and a short ass tail. It really should be all about the placement of the axle in regards to the tail and the other axle but so far nothing else has popped even close to how Ventures pop for me.  :o
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It's all about the "triangle", so check your boards angle. If the angle and weight is equal, and it still doesnt pop the same, its magic. It can also be that the board's balance is not equal. Maybe the nose is heavier, for logical reasons
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I know that in theory I should be able to get the same pop from a setup with Aces than I get in general from setups with Ventures I just haven't found such boards yet. If I could I'd be all over them as I fucking love how Ventures pop and how Aces turn. That'd be my literal dream setup.

forgot who suggested it, but someone was really fucking with ventures with ace bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on December 14, 2019, 02:05:20 PM
Good stuff everyone. Now I need some venture 6.1 now for the 9.75 axle and wanting to extend my wb and feel magic pop because of you thank you
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Been on Thunder 149's forever and want to change it up and quit wheelbiting so much.  I ride 8.25 square shapes and can't decide between 44's and 5.6's.  I usually run medium (not too tight, not too loose) and skate flat and manual pads mostly.  Thoughts?
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Ventures are closer to Thunders in feeling and wheelbase. They're really hard to wheelbite too but so are Aces. Thunders maybe turn better than Ventures but if you're not running your Thunders loose I think Ventures turn pretty similar if you run them a tad looser. Ventures are quite stable in the middle while Aces are not. Aces turn very easily in the middle and have a really deep turn. Ventures turn fine but it's not a very deep turn. It all depends on what exactly you're looking for in trucks. But from reading your post I'd say Ventures. Ventures also have a magical pop that I cannot explain. It's very nice.
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The thing you call "magical pop", is for us normal people called longest wb. Atleast as far as I know.
Venture has even longer wheelbase then Thunder.
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I can't get that same pop with Aces even with a 15" wheelbase and a short ass tail. It really should be all about the placement of the axle in regards to the tail and the other axle but so far nothing else has popped even close to how Ventures pop for me.  :o
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It's all about the "triangle", so check your boards angle. If the angle and weight is equal, and it still doesnt pop the same, its magic. It can also be that the board's balance is not equal. Maybe the nose is heavier, for logical reasons
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I know that in theory I should be able to get the same pop from a setup with Aces than I get in general from setups with Ventures I just haven't found such boards yet. If I could I'd be all over them as I fucking love how Ventures pop and how Aces turn. That'd be my literal dream setup.
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forgot who suggested it, but someone was really fucking with ventures with ace bushings

Yeah, I read that too and also forgot who it was- Maybe Xen? 🤔 High bottoms and low tops I think it was. I have a set of low Ace bushings that I bought for making the Krux pin mod on my Aces that I might or might not do at some point. Could use the high bottoms from a spare set of Aces and those in my Ventures once I set them up possibly at some point in the next 5 years.  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Been on Thunder 149's forever and want to change it up and quit wheelbiting so much.  I ride 8.25 square shapes and can't decide between 44's and 5.6's.  I usually run medium (not too tight, not too loose) and skate flat and manual pads mostly.  Thoughts?
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Ventures are closer to Thunders in feeling and wheelbase. They're really hard to wheelbite too but so are Aces. Thunders maybe turn better than Ventures but if you're not running your Thunders loose I think Ventures turn pretty similar if you run them a tad looser. Ventures are quite stable in the middle while Aces are not. Aces turn very easily in the middle and have a really deep turn. Ventures turn fine but it's not a very deep turn. It all depends on what exactly you're looking for in trucks. But from reading your post I'd say Ventures. Ventures also have a magical pop that I cannot explain. It's very nice.
[close]

The thing you call "magical pop", is for us normal people called longest wb. Atleast as far as I know.
Venture has even longer wheelbase then Thunder.
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I can't get that same pop with Aces even with a 15" wheelbase and a short ass tail. It really should be all about the placement of the axle in regards to the tail and the other axle but so far nothing else has popped even close to how Ventures pop for me.  :o
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It's all about the "triangle", so check your boards angle. If the angle and weight is equal, and it still doesnt pop the same, its magic. It can also be that the board's balance is not equal. Maybe the nose is heavier, for logical reasons
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I know that in theory I should be able to get the same pop from a setup with Aces than I get in general from setups with Ventures I just haven't found such boards yet. If I could I'd be all over them as I fucking love how Ventures pop and how Aces turn. That'd be my literal dream setup.
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forgot who suggested it, but someone was really fucking with ventures with ace bushings
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Yeah, I read that too and also forgot who it was- Maybe Xen? 🤔 High bottoms and low tops I think it was. I have a set of low Ace bushings that I bought for making the Krux pin mod on my Aces that I might or might not do at some point. Could use the high bottoms from a spare set of Aces and those in my Ventures once I set them up possibly at some point in the next 5 years.  ;D

If you have a standard set of Ace bushings and want to experiment with Ventures, just use the Ace bottom and the Venture top and see if you think the difference is worth having to buy two sets of Ace bushings. Venture's are 90a, and the Ace top is 92a, the major difference is the soft Ace bottom bushing anyway, and you'll still maintain a semblance of the mixed duro that comes standard on Aces. Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 15, 2019, 12:48:42 PM
I’ve always felt like Indy’s were the closest, most of the time, to a truck for everything, for me, but never felt ‘the best’. Couldn’t put my finger on why I’d like other trucks more, but then revert (damn it) back to Independents. The image, fans of the brand, marketing, all very rough. Hurtful even.

I think I like Indy’s on 14.25”. I like wider boards, now. If I’m doing this right, and I want to ride ventures, than I look for boards 14” wb and below? Skated ventures for years, of and on, but always smaller boards 8” and under.

Skating thunders, like them a lot actually, should probably just stick with, one of the main reasons for something different: bigger wheels.

Fingers of flat? Not exactly the correct thread, but is it that more fingers of flat are better with the thunder/venture style? And steeper boards better with Indy/ace?

I’ve tried so many different combos. Never fully developed preferences or stuck with a consistent set up. It’s always been fun to try different stuff. Agnostic

Cheers to those that have contributed mightily to this thread. Interesting to hear the choices people make and their context.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 15, 2019, 08:33:26 PM
might be the wrong thread but does anyone have word if venture is doing any 6.1 variations? like v lights, titanium, etc...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 16, 2019, 12:22:05 PM
Quote from: Ok on December 15, 2019, 12:48:42 PM
I’ve always felt like Indy’s were the closest, most of the time, to a truck for everything, for me, but never felt ‘the best’. Couldn’t put my finger on why I’d like other trucks more, but then revert (damn it) back to Independents. The image, fans of the brand, marketing, all very rough. Hurtful even.

I think I like Indy’s on 14.25”. I like wider boards, now. If I’m doing this right, and I want to ride ventures, than I look for boards 14” wb and below? Skated ventures for years, of and on, but always smaller boards 8” and under.

Skating thunders, like them a lot actually, should probably just stick with, one of the main reasons for something different: bigger wheels.

Fingers of flat? Not exactly the correct thread, but is it that more fingers of flat are better with the thunder/venture style? And steeper boards better with Indy/ace?

I’ve tried so many different combos. Never fully developed preferences or stuck with a consistent set up. It’s always been fun to try different stuff. Agnostic

Cheers to those that have contributed mightily to this thread. Interesting to hear the choices people make and their context.

Fingers of flat seems to be preference really, even if the Schmitt theory is more fingers = more finesse and fewer = more power (I can't say that more fingers = more finesse because I am loose/sloppy as fuck but from a personal pov, I can say that fewer fingers and a steeper tail definitely has more pop for me than a board with lots of flat).

What is the 'standard' for finesse, that's what I don't understand. Flip tricks in and out? Technical precision? If so that would mean shorter WB, say what you will, a shorter WB flips easier than a long one.

As for trucks, I don't feel trucks have much of an effect on this on their own per say, but DO in conjunction with wheelbase, e.g., let's say you like finesse (more fingers of flat), lots of boards with more fingers of flat seem to have shorter WBs on average (primitive is the best example), say 14" or 14.1x" so riding a thunder or venture pushes that out to 14.2x

My ghetto rule of thumb is:

8.25" is the standard WB, it's seemingly the most commonly used WB across all brands. Then take a roughly .25" +/- depending on brand, away from that:

14.25" WB + Indy/ACE/Theeve = 14.x" WB

14.25" WB + Thunder/Venture/Tensor = 14.3x+ WB

14.3/4/5 WB + Indy/ACE/Theeve = 14.2x WB

14/14.1/14.125 + Thunder/Venture/Tensor = 14.2x WB

Over time I've managed to distill it down to preferring a 14.3x or 14.4x" vs a shrunken one (DLX and NHS make lots of 14.353/14.44/14.38 wheelbases) somewhere over 14.25, but under 14.5

Aaaaannnd, ollies...I can ollie high on anything but prefer short boards/tails with Thunders (or Tensor ATGs which feel like Thunders but taller) on a 14.25" WB :P

5'10" / 31" inseam if that fucking matters at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 16, 2019, 02:04:38 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 16, 2019, 12:22:05 PM
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I’ve always felt like Indy’s were the closest, most of the time, to a truck for everything, for me, but never felt ‘the best’. Couldn’t put my finger on why I’d like other trucks more, but then revert (damn it) back to Independents. The image, fans of the brand, marketing, all very rough. Hurtful even.

I think I like Indy’s on 14.25”. I like wider boards, now. If I’m doing this right, and I want to ride ventures, than I look for boards 14” wb and below? Skated ventures for years, of and on, but always smaller boards 8” and under.

Skating thunders, like them a lot actually, should probably just stick with, one of the main reasons for something different: bigger wheels.

Fingers of flat? Not exactly the correct thread, but is it that more fingers of flat are better with the thunder/venture style? And steeper boards better with Indy/ace?

I’ve tried so many different combos. Never fully developed preferences or stuck with a consistent set up. It’s always been fun to try different stuff. Agnostic

Cheers to those that have contributed mightily to this thread. Interesting to hear the choices people make and their context.
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Fingers of flat seems to be preference really, even if the Schmitt theory is more fingers = more finesse and fewer = more power (I can't say that more fingers = more finesse because I am loose/sloppy as fuck but from a personal pov, I can say that fewer fingers and a steeper tail definitely has more pop for me than a board with lots of flat).

What is the 'standard' for finesse, that's what I don't understand. Flip tricks in and out? Technical precision? If so that would mean shorter WB, say what you will, a shorter WB flips easier than a long one.

As for trucks, I don't feel trucks have much of an effect on this on their own per say, but DO in conjunction with wheelbase, e.g., let's say you like finesse (more fingers of flat), lots of boards with more fingers of flat seem to have shorter WBs on average (primitive is the best example), say 14" or 14.1x" so riding a thunder or venture pushes that out to 14.2x

My ghetto rule of thumb is:

8.25" is the standard WB, it's seemingly the most commonly used WB across all brands. Then take a roughly .25" +/- depending on brand, away from that:

14.25" WB + Indy/AVE/Theeve = 14.x" WB

14.25" WB + Thunder/Venture/Tensor = 14.3x+ WB

14.3/4/5 WB + Indy/AVE/Theeve = 14.2x WB

14/14.1/14.125 + Thunder/Venture/Tensor = 14.2x WB

Over time I've managed to distill it down to preferring a 14.3x or 14.4x" vs a shrunken one (DLX and NHS make lots of 14.353/14.44/14.38 wheelbases) somewhere over 14.25, but under 14.5

Aaaaannnd, ollies...I can ollie high on anything but prefer short boards/tails with Thunders (or Tensor ATGs which feel like Thunders but taller) on a 14.25" WB :P

5'10" / 31" inseam if that fucking matters at all.

Lots of information: much much thanks! This is dope
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 16, 2019, 08:43:04 PM

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Lots of information: much much thanks! This is dope
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Take it all with a grain of salt as they say ;) people like what they like!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 7th Chamber on December 16, 2019, 10:24:03 PM
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I’ve always felt like Indy’s were the closest, most of the time, to a truck for everything, for me, but never felt ‘the best’. Couldn’t put my finger on why I’d like other trucks more, but then revert (damn it) back to Independents. The image, fans of the brand, marketing, all very rough. Hurtful even.

I think I like Indy’s on 14.25”. I like wider boards, now. If I’m doing this right, and I want to ride ventures, than I look for boards 14” wb and below? Skated ventures for years, of and on, but always smaller boards 8” and under.

Skating thunders, like them a lot actually, should probably just stick with, one of the main reasons for something different: bigger wheels.

Fingers of flat? Not exactly the correct thread, but is it that more fingers of flat are better with the thunder/venture style? And steeper boards better with Indy/ace?

I’ve tried so many different combos. Never fully developed preferences or stuck with a consistent set up. It’s always been fun to try different stuff. Agnostic

Cheers to those that have contributed mightily to this thread. Interesting to hear the choices people make and their context.
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Fingers of flat seems to be preference really, even if the Schmitt theory is more fingers = more finesse and fewer = more power (I can't say that more fingers = more finesse because I am loose/sloppy as fuck but from a personal pov, I can say that fewer fingers and a steeper tail definitely has more pop for me than a board with lots of flat).

What is the 'standard' for finesse, that's what I don't understand. Flip tricks in and out? Technical precision? If so that would mean shorter WB, say what you will, a shorter WB flips easier than a long one.

As for trucks, I don't feel trucks have much of an effect on this on their own per say, but DO in conjunction with wheelbase, e.g., let's say you like finesse (more fingers of flat), lots of boards with more fingers of flat seem to have shorter WBs on average (primitive is the best example), say 14" or 14.1x" so riding a thunder or venture pushes that out to 14.2x

My ghetto rule of thumb is:

8.25" is the standard WB, it's seemingly the most commonly used WB across all brands. Then take a roughly .25" +/- depending on brand, away from that:

14.25" WB + Indy/AVE/Theeve = 14.x" WB

14.25" WB + Thunder/Venture/Tensor = 14.3x+ WB

14.3/4/5 WB + Indy/AVE/Theeve = 14.2x WB

14/14.1/14.125 + Thunder/Venture/Tensor = 14.2x WB

Over time I've managed to distill it down to preferring a 14.3x or 14.4x" vs a shrunken one (DLX and NHS make lots of 14.353/14.44/14.38 wheelbases) somewhere over 14.25, but under 14.5

Aaaaannnd, ollies...I can ollie high on anything but prefer short boards/tails with Thunders (or Tensor ATGs which feel like Thunders but taller) on a 14.25" WB :P

5'10" / 31" inseam if that fucking matters at all.
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Lots of information: much much thanks! This is dope
What the fuck? The wheelbase of a deck is measured from bolt hole to bolt hole. No truck is going to subtract a wheelbase measurement.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 16, 2019, 11:19:51 PM
Axel to axel is what we are nattering on about......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shingles on December 16, 2019, 11:48:49 PM
Do you guys remove the washers on your trucks?
I dont have any in my ace to allow me to keep them very loose without having a too loose kingpin nut...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on December 17, 2019, 12:53:50 AM
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I’ve always felt like Indy’s were the closest, most of the time, to a truck for everything, for me, but never felt ‘the best’. Couldn’t put my finger on why I’d like other trucks more, but then revert (damn it) back to Independents. The image, fans of the brand, marketing, all very rough. Hurtful even.

I think I like Indy’s on 14.25”. I like wider boards, now. If I’m doing this right, and I want to ride ventures, than I look for boards 14” wb and below? Skated ventures for years, of and on, but always smaller boards 8” and under.

Skating thunders, like them a lot actually, should probably just stick with, one of the main reasons for something different: bigger wheels.

Fingers of flat? Not exactly the correct thread, but is it that more fingers of flat are better with the thunder/venture style? And steeper boards better with Indy/ace?

I’ve tried so many different combos. Never fully developed preferences or stuck with a consistent set up. It’s always been fun to try different stuff. Agnostic

Cheers to those that have contributed mightily to this thread. Interesting to hear the choices people make and their context.
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Fingers of flat seems to be preference really, even if the Schmitt theory is more fingers = more finesse and fewer = more power (I can't say that more fingers = more finesse because I am loose/sloppy as fuck but from a personal pov, I can say that fewer fingers and a steeper tail definitely has more pop for me than a board with lots of flat).

What is the 'standard' for finesse, that's what I don't understand. Flip tricks in and out? Technical precision? If so that would mean shorter WB, say what you will, a shorter WB flips easier than a long one.

As for trucks, I don't feel trucks have much of an effect on this on their own per say, but DO in conjunction with wheelbase, e.g., let's say you like finesse (more fingers of flat), lots of boards with more fingers of flat seem to have shorter WBs on average (primitive is the best example), say 14" or 14.1x" so riding a thunder or venture pushes that out to 14.2x

My ghetto rule of thumb is:

8.25" is the standard WB, it's seemingly the most commonly used WB across all brands. Then take a roughly .25" +/- depending on brand, away from that:

14.25" WB + Indy/AVE/Theeve = 14.x" WB

14.25" WB + Thunder/Venture/Tensor = 14.3x+ WB

14.3/4/5 WB + Indy/AVE/Theeve = 14.2x WB

14/14.1/14.125 + Thunder/Venture/Tensor = 14.2x WB

Over time I've managed to distill it down to preferring a 14.3x or 14.4x" vs a shrunken one (DLX and NHS make lots of 14.353/14.44/14.38 wheelbases) somewhere over 14.25, but under 14.5

Aaaaannnd, ollies...I can ollie high on anything but prefer short boards/tails with Thunders (or Tensor ATGs which feel like Thunders but taller) on a 14.25" WB :P

5'10" / 31" inseam if that fucking matters at all.
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Lots of information: much much thanks! This is dope
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What the fuck? The wheelbase of a deck is measured from bolt hole to bolt hole. No truck is going to subtract a wheelbase measurement.

For this logic to “work”, you’d need to have a standard to compare all others to. I feel like it’d be much easier to compare actual wheelbases. This would require a tape measure however or knowledge of how much a truck adds to the wheelbase. Maybe someone should make a table. And a simple way to calculate what kind of a board you might like with Thunders if you normally ride Aces and so forth. It’s not really that simple though as there’s much more to how trucks perform than just wheelbase. 🤔
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 17, 2019, 01:56:26 AM
Quote from: Roisto on December 17, 2019, 12:53:50 AM

For this logic to “work”, you’d need to have a standard to compare all others to. I feel like it’d be much easier to compare actual wheelbases. This would require a tape measure however or knowledge of how much a truck adds to the wheelbase. Maybe someone should make a table. And a simple way to calculate what kind of a board you might like with Thunders if you normally ride Aces and so forth. It’s not really that simple though as there’s much more to how trucks perform than just wheelbase. 🤔

As you said, a measurement table would help but at the end of the day the amount of variables that change are more than just axle to axle wb with a truck change. If you ride Indy's on 14.25 wb, you can achieve the same axle to axle wb with Aces on a 14.5 wb. But that's the only measurement that will line up. Your tail is still gonna hit earlier and with less effort on Aces, the nose will feel lighter (paradoxically despite Aces being heavier). The placement of your popping foot will have to change to achieve the same pop feel as your Indy's, but that could throw off your front foot placement in the process. Or how levelled out your tricks are. Or manuals... The variables are endless.

TLDR: You will absolutely drive yourself up the wall trying to get specs and feel to match up between different truck brands. I did for a while, not fun.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on December 17, 2019, 04:42:04 AM
Quote from: palelight on December 17, 2019, 01:56:26 AM
Quote from: Roisto on December 17, 2019, 12:53:50 AM
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For this logic to “work”, you’d need to have a standard to compare all others to. I feel like it’d be much easier to compare actual wheelbases. This would require a tape measure however or knowledge of how much a truck adds to the wheelbase. Maybe someone should make a table. And a simple way to calculate what kind of a board you might like with Thunders if you normally ride Aces and so forth. It’s not really that simple though as there’s much more to how trucks perform than just wheelbase. 🤔
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As you said, a measurement table would help but at the end of the day the amount of variables that change are more than just axle to axle wb with a truck change. If you ride Indy's on 14.25 wb, you can achieve the same axle to axle wb with Aces on a 14.5 wb. But that's the only measurement that will line up. Your tail is still gonna hit earlier and with less effort on Aces, the nose will feel lighter (paradoxically despite Aces being heavier). The placement of your popping foot will have to change to achieve the same pop feel as your Indy's, but that could throw off your front foot placement in the process. Or how levelled out your tricks are. Or manuals... The variables are endless.

TLDR: You will absolutely drive yourself up the wall trying to get specs and feel to match up between different truck brands. I did for a while, not fun.

Yes, you are very much correct. Would be interesting to take it further though. Measuring the forces needed to lift the tail between various trucks and distances of the tail to the ground and things like that. Unfortunately I only have Aces, Ventures and Thunders and none of them are fresh anymore so if I’d start testing this shit, it’d not be very comprehensive. Problem with this kind of testing is that it should all be done with a standardized board between all trucks and that’s not very easy unless the tests are all performed at the same location. Could also test forces needed to make the trucks flop to either side by however many degrees and how that affects the turning radius and what the max turning radii are. Shit like that.  :D If I’d work at a skate shop with a big ass selection I’d go all in on this shit!  :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skatansfinest666 on December 17, 2019, 01:16:03 PM
Quote from: palelight on December 17, 2019, 01:56:26 AM
Quote from: Roisto on December 17, 2019, 12:53:50 AM
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For this logic to “work”, you’d need to have a standard to compare all others to. I feel like it’d be much easier to compare actual wheelbases. This would require a tape measure however or knowledge of how much a truck adds to the wheelbase. Maybe someone should make a table. And a simple way to calculate what kind of a board you might like with Thunders if you normally ride Aces and so forth. It’s not really that simple though as there’s much more to how trucks perform than just wheelbase. 🤔
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As you said, a measurement table would help but at the end of the day the amount of variables that change are more than just axle to axle wb with a truck change. If you ride Indy's on 14.25 wb, you can achieve the same axle to axle wb with Aces on a 14.5 wb. But that's the only measurement that will line up. Your tail is still gonna hit earlier and with less effort on Aces, the nose will feel lighter (paradoxically despite Aces being heavier). The placement of your popping foot will have to change to achieve the same pop feel as your Indy's, but that could throw off your front foot placement in the process. Or how levelled out your tricks are. Or manuals... The variables are endless.

TLDR: You will absolutely drive yourself up the wall trying to get specs and feel to match up between different truck brands. I did for a while, not fun.

Im literally going through this rn but the only reason is that I got fucked over by buying a weekend board with a 14 ³/₁₆  Wheelbase and I’m an Indy guy so I found with the steep kicks and it sucking my wheelbase up to under 14” it makes it awfully hard to get used to or get most of my tricks back consistently or even acceptable my my own standards..so I’ve got a pair of aces which are the same whe it comes to WB as indys pretty much, and I’ve got a a couple different boards to choose from ( ZERO 8.5” w/ a 14.5” WB @ 32 ¼” length) , ( the wknd board I stated above that’s 8.5” w/ a 14  ³/₁₆ WB @ 32.75” length) , ( Local shop [Granduer] board  8.38” w/ 14.38” WB @ 32x” length) , and last and somewhat least as it’s fairly old compared to the others is a ( Baker 8.475” w/ 14.25” WB @ 31.5” length) my overall question is which of the following would match best with my new aces for a similar pop feel as indy?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 17, 2019, 01:25:21 PM
Quote from: Skatansfinest666 on December 17, 2019, 01:16:03 PM
Quote from: palelight on December 17, 2019, 01:56:26 AM
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Quote from: Roisto on December 17, 2019, 12:53:50 AM
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For this logic to “work”, you’d need to have a standard to compare all others to. I feel like it’d be much easier to compare actual wheelbases. This would require a tape measure however or knowledge of how much a truck adds to the wheelbase. Maybe someone should make a table. And a simple way to calculate what kind of a board you might like with Thunders if you normally ride Aces and so forth. It’s not really that simple though as there’s much more to how trucks perform than just wheelbase. 🤔
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As you said, a measurement table would help but at the end of the day the amount of variables that change are more than just axle to axle wb with a truck change. If you ride Indy's on 14.25 wb, you can achieve the same axle to axle wb with Aces on a 14.5 wb. But that's the only measurement that will line up. Your tail is still gonna hit earlier and with less effort on Aces, the nose will feel lighter (paradoxically despite Aces being heavier). The placement of your popping foot will have to change to achieve the same pop feel as your Indy's, but that could throw off your front foot placement in the process. Or how levelled out your tricks are. Or manuals... The variables are endless.

TLDR: You will absolutely drive yourself up the wall trying to get specs and feel to match up between different truck brands. I did for a while, not fun.
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Im literally going through this rn but the only reason is that I got fucked over by buying a weekend board with a 14 ³/₁₆  Wheelbase and I’m an Indy guy so I found with the steep kicks and it sucking my wheelbase up to under 14” it makes it awfully hard to get used to or get most of my tricks back consistently or even acceptable my my own standards..so I’ve got a pair of aces which are the same whe it comes to WB as indys pretty much, and I’ve got a a couple different boards to choose from ( ZERO 8.5” w/ a 14.5” WB @ 32 ¼” length) , ( the wknd board I stated above that’s 8.5” w/ a 14  ³/₁₆ WB @ 32.75” length) , ( Local shop [Granduer] board  8.38” w/ 14.38” WB @ 32x” length) , and last and somewhat least as it’s fairly old compared to the others is a ( Baker 8.475” w/ 14.25” WB @ 31.5” length) my overall question is which of the following would match best with my new aces for a similar pop feel as indy?

I’m not the correct person to point this out, but I think your wheelbase is 14 3/16 + 2.5” for ace, wb + 3” for Indy. Your true wb that is, axle to axle. I’m not sure where you are getting your sub 14” measurement from. To be clear, only trying to understand, not insult. Palelight (I think) did some solid work with different truck brands on 14.25 wheelbase. Few pages back.
What wb do you normally ride.
Are you currently on Indy’s?
Some short and steep boards are squirrelly for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 17, 2019, 01:42:57 PM
It sounds complicated but it isn't  ???

Ventures push out the furthest, followed by Thunder/Tensor (I swear they feel just like Thunders but taller and with a longer baseplate).

Ace, Indy, Theeve, ML all tuck it in.
 
Find a board / truck combo you like/skated well on and measure the wheel base, then look at your fingers of flat.

Track how well certain combos worked with your skating...how were your tres, ollies and whatever?

For me DLX is easy to track:

The 8.18 with the 14.38" WB, I prefer Indys or ACE (shortening it up a bit), especially for that width. BTW, DLX, what happened to the 8.18" FULL? DlX anything 14.25 feels best to me with Thunders (or trucks that push out the WB a bit).

I'm skating the DLX 8.28"x31.65" with the 14.1" WB with Ventures or Tensors and if feels fine, kinda prefer it with Tensors tho even tho axle to axle on that board the Tensors/ventures were super close with Ventures just under 2mm longer.

It's got a short steep tail (it's a IV on the DLX press) and close to no fingers of flat (maybe one?) so the taller Tensors feel poppier to me. I forgot how great this shape was bit it never worked for me as each time I rode it with Indys as that was what I was into; never occurred to me to stretch out the WB back then with thunders; I just went oh, the short WB is the reason it sucks (Like those 8.37 eagles with the 14" WB).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 17, 2019, 02:40:32 PM
Quote from: Skatansfinest666 on December 17, 2019, 01:16:03 PM
Quote from: palelight on December 17, 2019, 01:56:26 AM
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Quote from: Roisto on December 17, 2019, 12:53:50 AM
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For this logic to “work”, you’d need to have a standard to compare all others to. I feel like it’d be much easier to compare actual wheelbases. This would require a tape measure however or knowledge of how much a truck adds to the wheelbase. Maybe someone should make a table. And a simple way to calculate what kind of a board you might like with Thunders if you normally ride Aces and so forth. It’s not really that simple though as there’s much more to how trucks perform than just wheelbase. 🤔
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As you said, a measurement table would help but at the end of the day the amount of variables that change are more than just axle to axle wb with a truck change. If you ride Indy's on 14.25 wb, you can achieve the same axle to axle wb with Aces on a 14.5 wb. But that's the only measurement that will line up. Your tail is still gonna hit earlier and with less effort on Aces, the nose will feel lighter (paradoxically despite Aces being heavier). The placement of your popping foot will have to change to achieve the same pop feel as your Indy's, but that could throw off your front foot placement in the process. Or how levelled out your tricks are. Or manuals... The variables are endless.

TLDR: You will absolutely drive yourself up the wall trying to get specs and feel to match up between different truck brands. I did for a while, not fun.
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Im literally going through this rn but the only reason is that I got fucked over by buying a weekend board with a 14 ³/₁₆  Wheelbase and I’m an Indy guy so I found with the steep kicks and it sucking my wheelbase up to under 14” it makes it awfully hard to get used to or get most of my tricks back consistently or even acceptable my my own standards..so I’ve got a pair of aces which are the same whe it comes to WB as indys pretty much, and I’ve got a a couple different boards to choose from ( ZERO 8.5” w/ a 14.5” WB @ 32 ¼” length) , ( the wknd board I stated above that’s 8.5” w/ a 14  ³/₁₆ WB @ 32.75” length) , ( Local shop [Granduer] board  8.38” w/ 14.38” WB @ 32x” length) , and last and somewhat least as it’s fairly old compared to the others is a ( Baker 8.475” w/ 14.25” WB @ 31.5” length) my overall question is which of the following would match best with my new aces for a similar pop feel as indy?

As Ok pointed out, your actual wb (axle to axle), would be, with that WKND board and Indy’s, 17 3/16” (I’ll again plug my own post for a reference on how to get this measurement, https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039 )

As for your overall question, not easy to answer. Or at least not an easy formula. Think of it like this,

(https://i.imgur.com/rZlw5eP.png)

Those three points, and the space between the points, are going to dictate a lot (but not all, as there’s still things like overall length, nose + truck weight etc.) about how your board feels when you pop.

Say you have a reliable setup you like, consider that your control, a standard DLX 8.5 and Indy 149’s, you get bored and throw Thunders on there. You like the way they turn but nothing else works right. Your truck is now 3/16” to a 1/4” closer to the tip of the tail. The overall height is lower. All those points in the pic above are shifted. You’d have to alter, pretty radically, the other measurements to get back to what your Indy’s felt like on the same deck with Thunders, probably some combination of a). tail length (longer), b).  tail steepness (mellower) c). wheel size (smaller..maybe), d). foot placement (moved closer to the pocket rather than tip), or e). fingers of flat behind bolts (more). Of course, this probably now means your board is longer, or your wheels and overall height smaller/lower, or your back foot is super tucked in possibly causing you to feel unbalanced on other stuff than a straight ollie.
 
Unfortunately there’s not going to be a specific formula to get there without taking all those things - wheel diameter, tail angle, tail length, fingers of flat, truck height, your personal foot placement on the tail - into account.

To me, not worth it to go through the mental hurricane of reconfiguring all of that for a deck that will be dusted soon enough. Fight the madness where/when possible. If you have those decks lying around, probably easier to just set them up one at a time and see if any combo clicks. It’ll be a truer test than figuring it all out on paper.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 17, 2019, 02:56:58 PM
This thread is getting disturbing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 17, 2019, 03:01:39 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 17, 2019, 02:56:58 PM
This thread is getting disturbing.

I promise, my nerdy is trying to tamp down the crazy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Live Fast Johnny on December 17, 2019, 03:13:12 PM
Quote from: Roisto on December 14, 2019, 05:42:32 AM
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Been on Thunder 149's forever and want to change it up and quit wheelbiting so much.  I ride 8.25 square shapes and can't decide between 44's and 5.6's.  I usually run medium (not too tight, not too loose) and skate flat and manual pads mostly.  Thoughts?
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Ventures are closer to Thunders in feeling and wheelbase. They're really hard to wheelbite too but so are Aces. Thunders maybe turn better than Ventures but if you're not running your Thunders loose I think Ventures turn pretty similar if you run them a tad looser. Ventures are quite stable in the middle while Aces are not. Aces turn very easily in the middle and have a really deep turn. Ventures turn fine but it's not a very deep turn. It all depends on what exactly you're looking for in trucks. But from reading your post I'd say Ventures. Ventures also have a magical pop that I cannot explain. It's very nice.

Thank you Roisto and others for the feedback.  Will be grabbing some Ventures ASAP.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chris. on December 17, 2019, 05:11:30 PM
Gosh I love this thread.

For me I found my perfect combinations by going back to not giving a fuck about any of it, buying what looked cool, settling on what felt the best, and then getting measurements.  Now I have two different set-ups that feel great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 17, 2019, 05:40:00 PM
It's all these things which lead me to believe someone setting up indys on a generator board is the correct answer and why so many people do this......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kevve on December 17, 2019, 06:35:06 PM
How do you guys feel about the ti forged indys?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 17, 2019, 06:35:37 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 17, 2019, 05:40:00 PM
It's all these things which lead me to believe someone setting up indys on a generator board is the correct answer and why so many people do this......

Yup. Despite my trigonometry horseshit, it comes down to "x," which is, "how does it feel to you?" You can run all the specs and numbers you want but sometimes something clicks or feels right and no amount of math in that equation is going to solve for x.   
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 17, 2019, 06:49:17 PM
i need a break from this thread dawg. knowledge doesnt feel like power anymore
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on December 17, 2019, 07:48:51 PM
Every once in awhile this thread needs a reset and it goes something like this:

Find some trucks you are OK with, then:

Grind
Turn
Grind some more
They will get better with age
Keep Grinding
Keep turning
One more grind

Until the wheels fall off and then worry about what trucks you'll replace them with....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 17, 2019, 07:54:18 PM
Apologies for killing the truck thread.

I did a shitty job of communicating my point. Which I guess is this, fighting specs and numbers looking to make an Ace feel like a Venture (or some other combo) will drive you to tears and leave your pockets emptier. Ride what feels right to you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on December 17, 2019, 08:45:47 PM
Crazy madness happening right now, have had a set of V-Lights 5.8 for a while now and haven't set them up in fear I'll hate them. Anyone have any experience skating Ventures in tranny? I'm injured otherwise I would just set them up and skate. I want to feel this magical pop others speak about but I skate 75% transition so I'm not sure its worth the switch from my Aces/Indys.

Or would I be better trying out Thunders? I skate 56mm and know they have wheelbite issues.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on December 17, 2019, 09:10:00 PM
with bigger wheels if I was going for a tight tech truck I'd go with ventures. looking at the pair of 5.8s I have now I can see 56mm conical fulls going great. I have 52mm conical fulls on mine now and am nowhere close to getting wheelbase, board tips over.

or I'd just stick with indy/ace if you like the turny feel, these things don't feel super turny to me, and when I try I dont like it. I like them the way they are though, even though I usually like my trucks super loose. trying to get a little more tech because loose trucks doing my go-tos is getting kinda stale.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on December 17, 2019, 10:12:57 PM
Quote from: Weezil on December 17, 2019, 09:10:00 PM
with bigger wheels if I was going for a tight tech truck I'd go with ventures. looking at the pair of 5.8s I have now I can see 56mm conical fulls going great. I have 52mm conical fulls on mine now and am nowhere close to getting wheelbase, board tips over.

or I'd just stick with indy/ace if you like the turny feel, these things don't feel super turny to me, and when I try I dont like it. I like them the way they are though, even though I usually like my trucks super loose. trying to get a little more tech because loose trucks doing my go-tos is getting kinda stale.

This is exactly how I feel. I’ve never really spent much time doing tech stuff, I literally don’t do anything except a kickflip and smith grind here or there. Been recovering for a few months from surgery and I’ve been watching a wider range of videos getting me hyped on tech stuff even though I’m fucking useless at it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on December 18, 2019, 03:32:42 AM
Quote from: palelight on December 17, 2019, 07:54:18 PM
Ride what feels right to you.
Specially this and don't be scared to be of the big 3 wagon to find it. I did it and I'm super stoked.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nachodaddy on December 18, 2019, 08:09:11 AM
I’m riding Venture 5.2’s with a 7.875 deck, but I’m wanting to size down to 7.75 and go back to thunders. Would y’all recommend 145’s or 147’s?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on December 18, 2019, 08:53:59 AM
Quote from: Kevve on December 17, 2019, 06:35:06 PM
How do you guys feel about the ti forged indys?

I have some now I’m pretty sure they are the China ones. But I’m enjoying them so far. I can’t say if they are worth the extra money or not. I skate 149s and was coming of thunders so I was trying get the same weight.  I can say I’m skating the Indy’s looser and getting less wheelbite than I was with thunders.

Also palelight and everyone that’s posting in depth nerdery. I honestly really appreciate and find it helpful. Don’t stop being crazy scientists.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 18, 2019, 08:54:21 AM
Quote from: texasplant on December 17, 2019, 08:45:47 PM
Crazy madness happening right now, have had a set of V-Lights 5.8 for a while now and haven't set them up in fear I'll hate them. Anyone have any experience skating Ventures in tranny? I'm injured otherwise I would just set them up and skate. I want to feel this magical pop others speak about but I skate 75% transition so I'm not sure its worth the switch from my Aces/Indys.

Or would I be better trying out Thunders? I skate 56mm and know they have wheelbite issues.

Pipe or bowls? Park 'transition' as in flow and different tranny sized obstacles?

At 75% transition Ventures are not what you are looking for. They can work but you will miss that indy/ace feeling.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 18, 2019, 08:56:33 AM
Quote from: Skatansfinest666 on December 17, 2019, 01:16:03 PM
Quote from: palelight on December 17, 2019, 01:56:26 AM
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Quote from: Roisto on December 17, 2019, 12:53:50 AM
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For this logic to “work”, you’d need to have a standard to compare all others to. I feel like it’d be much easier to compare actual wheelbases. This would require a tape measure however or knowledge of how much a truck adds to the wheelbase. Maybe someone should make a table. And a simple way to calculate what kind of a board you might like with Thunders if you normally ride Aces and so forth. It’s not really that simple though as there’s much more to how trucks perform than just wheelbase. 🤔
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As you said, a measurement table would help but at the end of the day the amount of variables that change are more than just axle to axle wb with a truck change. If you ride Indy's on 14.25 wb, you can achieve the same axle to axle wb with Aces on a 14.5 wb. But that's the only measurement that will line up. Your tail is still gonna hit earlier and with less effort on Aces, the nose will feel lighter (paradoxically despite Aces being heavier). The placement of your popping foot will have to change to achieve the same pop feel as your Indy's, but that could throw off your front foot placement in the process. Or how levelled out your tricks are. Or manuals... The variables are endless.

TLDR: You will absolutely drive yourself up the wall trying to get specs and feel to match up between different truck brands. I did for a while, not fun.
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Im literally going through this rn but the only reason is that I got fucked over by buying a weekend board with a 14 ³/₁₆  Wheelbase and I’m an Indy guy so I found with the steep kicks and it sucking my wheelbase up to under 14” it makes it awfully hard to get used to or get most of my tricks back consistently or even acceptable my my own standards..so I’ve got a pair of aces which are the same whe it comes to WB as indys pretty much, and I’ve got a a couple different boards to choose from ( ZERO 8.5” w/ a 14.5” WB @ 32 ¼” length) , ( the wknd board I stated above that’s 8.5” w/ a 14  ³/₁₆ WB @ 32.75” length) , ( Local shop [Granduer] board  8.38” w/ 14.38” WB @ 32x” length) , and last and somewhat least as it’s fairly old compared to the others is a ( Baker 8.475” w/ 14.25” WB @ 31.5” length) my overall question is which of the following would match best with my new aces for a similar pop feel as indy?

ZERO 8.5” w/ a 14.5” WB @ 32 ¼” length
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 18, 2019, 09:41:34 AM
Quote from: nachodaddy on December 18, 2019, 08:09:11 AM
I’m riding Venture 5.2’s with a 7.875 deck, but I’m wanting to size down to 7.75 and go back to thunders. Would y’all recommend 145’s or 147’s?

I just can’t get over the look of sub 8” trucks, but they flip quick, turn sharp.



Forged anything feels wack to me right now, so ti Indy’s is probably not like (skated the hollows, several times). I have a strong preference for case plates. The ride feels better, the board doesn’t sound cheap and tinny. All very subjective/weird ‘I hate the way these socks feel’ type of reasons though.


Palelight. You didn’t kill shit. You are adding some real stuff. I’m not sure if the knowledge is power either, but hearing people’s reasoning is very interesting/entertaining/informative. I wouldn't get new trucks and then ride bushings from 4 different brands. Or switch the pivot cups after one session. I did try Indy hangers on ace plates though. And that was definitely the state of the thread for quite awhile. Or some of us just repeating the slogans of the truck brands.
I don’t have enough set pieces, I haven’t decided on board size, truck size/or brand, and wheel size. So I’m just chucking stuff at a wall. Sometimes it’s fun sometimes so annoying. To those of you that are tweaking out about it, you are most likely adults, skateboarding is probably a little more difficult than what it once was, you want answers why/you don’t get to skate as much for a myriad of reasons. Not skating leads to romanticizing different set ups, for me. As an example I skated huge boards in the 80s, came back to skating in the 90s rode small boards, and learned what I know on those. If I take a break I want to ride whatever is ‘cool’ so I’ll be looking at some pool slayer set up, when I’m way too shook to drop in and scratch coping (and that could easily be accomplished on an 8” board, or whatever really). I’m blathering on trying to say that I really relate to the fantasy of trying something new and different, sometimes it does unlock levels (at the peril of regression), but trying to ban that shit from your mind and just getting outside.....you can make whatever work and adjust to it.

Now lemme just buy these 5.6, 5.8, and 6.1 ventures, some small wb/wide decks to go with them, and maybe some thunder 148s, some 54 conical fulls....and I’ll be done. For sure.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on December 18, 2019, 10:42:56 AM
Quote from: nachodaddy on December 18, 2019, 08:09:11 AM
I’m riding Venture 5.2’s with a 7.875 deck, but I’m wanting to size down to 7.75 and go back to thunders. Would y’all recommend 145’s or 147’s?

That's interesting. I moved up from a 7.75 to a 7.875 to rock 8" trucks. I would just go for 145s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: E on December 18, 2019, 12:27:53 PM
I'm on a set of brand new Ti Indy's and my board/trucks are squeaking like crazy. When I stand on the board not even moving you can hear it squeak. I didn't tighten the trucks because they were brand new and I wanted to break them in. Normally I find new trucks to be too tight but these seem nice and loose. Is the squeaking because of how loose they were out the gate? I'm rocking an old pair of Dooks silencers on there too but they're pretty much nothing at this point. I do have modus hardware and new silencers coming as I'm partial to the modus bolts and indy was all I could get at the time. Will the bolts/dooks silencers help with the squeakiness or this is something else going on?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 18, 2019, 12:44:11 PM
Quote from: E on December 18, 2019, 12:27:53 PM
I'm on a set of brand new Ti Indy's and my board/trucks are squeaking like crazy. When I stand on the board not even moving you can hear it squeak. I didn't tighten the trucks because they were brand new and I wanted to break them in. Normally I find new trucks to be too tight but these seem nice and loose. Is the squeaking because of how loose they were out the gate? I'm rocking an old pair of Dooks silencers on there too but they're pretty much nothing at this point. I do have modus hardware and new silencers coming as I'm partial to the modus bolts and indy was all I could get at the time. Will the bolts/dooks silencers help with the squeakiness or this is something else going on?

50/50 it's either the pivot cups or bushings. Also, being December, if you're somewhere cold that will make it worse. If you're alright with disassembling new trucks, some soap/wax shavings in the pivot cup usually kills it. Rubbing the flats of the bushings/washers with the same can help too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: E on December 18, 2019, 12:53:17 PM
Quote from: palelight on December 18, 2019, 12:44:11 PM
Quote from: E on December 18, 2019, 12:27:53 PM
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I'm on a set of brand new Ti Indy's and my board/trucks are squeaking like crazy. When I stand on the board not even moving you can hear it squeak. I didn't tighten the trucks because they were brand new and I wanted to break them in. Normally I find new trucks to be too tight but these seem nice and loose. Is the squeaking because of how loose they were out the gate? I'm rocking an old pair of Dooks silencers on there too but they're pretty much nothing at this point. I do have modus hardware and new silencers coming as I'm partial to the modus bolts and indy was all I could get at the time. Will the bolts/dooks silencers help with the squeakiness or this is something else going on?
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50/50 it's either the pivot cups or bushings. Also, being December, if you're somewhere cold that will make it worse. If you're alright with disassembling new trucks, some soap/wax shavings in the pivot cup usually kills it. Rubbing the flats of the bushings/washers with the same can help too.

Thanks dude, it is cold here on the east coast. I'm gonna try waxing the washers and flats and see if it helps. Too lazy to disassemble right now I prob. will if it doesn't get better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on December 18, 2019, 02:50:26 PM
How much do venture 6.1 extend wheelbase? 
I saw that the lights w forged plates extend 3.5" but how much less do the cast extend?

edit: shit just found this post from august
Quote from: ballintoohard on August 07, 2019, 11:42:06 AM
I measured all my trucks on the same board.  The V-light's extend the wheelbase by 3/8" over cast.  Cast extend .125 more than Thunder 148 Ti, which are .25 over Indy forged hollows.

As for the difference I really only noticed on the V-lights. Anecdotally the Venture cast feel more like an Indy than a Thunder.
someone make a damn chart before I go nuts on 1/8" differences. is this wrong info or do all forged plates change the wb compared to the cast?

Thunder Deck wheelbase +3.1875"
Venture (w forged plates) Deck wheelbase +3.5"
Venture (cast) +3.25" ? But that's .125" over thunder, and only 0.25" less than the forged, not 0.375" as mentioned above
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on December 18, 2019, 03:00:18 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on December 18, 2019, 10:42:56 AM
Quote from: nachodaddy on December 18, 2019, 08:09:11 AM
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I’m riding Venture 5.2’s with a 7.875 deck, but I’m wanting to size down to 7.75 and go back to thunders. Would y’all recommend 145’s or 147’s?
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That's interesting. I moved up from a 7.75 to a 7.875 to rock 8" trucks. I would just go for 145s.

I went with the 147, I think it gives more flexibility if you want to ride bigger boards in the future. From personal experience going down to a 7.75 was not fun, couldn't get used to the smaller width after doing 8"-ish sizes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 18, 2019, 03:24:36 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on December 18, 2019, 02:50:26 PM
How much do venture 6.1 extend wheelbase? 
I saw that the lights w forged plates extend 3.5" but how much less do the cast extend?

edit: shit just found this post from august
Quote from: ballintoohard on August 07, 2019, 11:42:06 AM
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I measured all my trucks on the same board.  The V-light's extend the wheelbase by 3/8" over cast.  Cast extend .125 more than Thunder 148 Ti, which are .25 over Indy forged hollows.

As for the difference I really only noticed on the V-lights. Anecdotally the Venture cast feel more like an Indy than a Thunder.
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someone make a damn chart before I go nuts on 1/8" differences. is this wrong info or do all forged plates change the wb compared to the cast?

Thunder Deck wheelbase +3.1875"
Venture (w forged plates) Deck wheelbase +3.5"
Venture (cast) +3.25" ? But that's .125" over thunder, and only 0.25" less than the forged, not 0.375" as mentioned above

Just Venture. Indy and Thunder have the same wb on cast and forged plates. I have some Venture cast on the way and I'm going to update my original post to reflect the difference between Venture cast and forged. From the pics posted earlier in the thread it doesn't look over 1/8" in difference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on December 18, 2019, 03:28:47 PM
Quote from: palelight on December 18, 2019, 03:24:36 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on December 18, 2019, 02:50:26 PM
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How much do venture 6.1 extend wheelbase? 
I saw that the lights w forged plates extend 3.5" but how much less do the cast extend?

edit: shit just found this post from august
Quote from: ballintoohard on August 07, 2019, 11:42:06 AM
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I measured all my trucks on the same board.  The V-light's extend the wheelbase by 3/8" over cast.  Cast extend .125 more than Thunder 148 Ti, which are .25 over Indy forged hollows.

As for the difference I really only noticed on the V-lights. Anecdotally the Venture cast feel more like an Indy than a Thunder.
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someone make a damn chart before I go nuts on 1/8" differences. is this wrong info or do all forged plates change the wb compared to the cast?

Thunder Deck wheelbase +3.1875"
Venture (w forged plates) Deck wheelbase +3.5"
Venture (cast) +3.25" ? But that's .125" over thunder, and only 0.25" less than the forged, not 0.375" as mentioned above
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Just Venture. Indy and Thunder have the same wb on cast and forged plates. I have some Venture cast on the way and I'm going to update my original post to reflect the difference between Venture cast and forged. From the pics posted earlier in the thread it doesn't look over 1/8" in difference.
Appreciated. I'll keep an eye out for that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nachodaddy on December 18, 2019, 03:30:58 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on December 18, 2019, 10:42:56 AM
Quote from: nachodaddy on December 18, 2019, 08:09:11 AM
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I’m riding Venture 5.2’s with a 7.875 deck, but I’m wanting to size down to 7.75 and go back to thunders. Would y’all recommend 145’s or 147’s?
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That's interesting. I moved up from a 7.75 to a 7.875 to rock 8" trucks. I would just go for 145s.

I have Venture 5.2’s, Tensor Mag Lights 8.125”, and Thunder Titanium lights 148’s, so might as well add a 7.6” set to the collection.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lysdexia on December 18, 2019, 03:31:03 PM
Quote from: nachodaddy on December 18, 2019, 08:09:11 AM
I’m riding Venture 5.2’s with a 7.875 deck, but I’m wanting to size down to 7.75 and go back to thunders. Would y’all recommend 145’s or 147’s?

147s for sure.  when i was still on 7.75s a few years ago, i stepped my 7.5" destructos up to 147 thunders.  my immediate reaction was 'why the fuck was i skating such narrow trucks for so long?', it felt so much more stable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nachodaddy on December 18, 2019, 03:34:15 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on December 18, 2019, 03:00:18 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on December 18, 2019, 10:42:56 AM
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Quote from: nachodaddy on December 18, 2019, 08:09:11 AM
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I’m riding Venture 5.2’s with a 7.875 deck, but I’m wanting to size down to 7.75 and go back to thunders. Would y’all recommend 145’s or 147’s?
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That's interesting. I moved up from a 7.75 to a 7.875 to rock 8" trucks. I would just go for 145s.
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I went with the 147, I think it gives more flexibility if you want to ride bigger boards in the future. From personal experience going down to a 7.75 was not fun, couldn't get used to the smaller width after doing 8"-ish sizes.

It might just be the fact that I always get high af before I skate, but my 7.7875 has been feeling huge lately. Do any of you feel a difference between skating trucks that are thinner vs wider than your deck width? That’s the main dilemma between choosing the 7.6” vs 8.0” trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nachodaddy on December 18, 2019, 03:36:54 PM
Quote from: lysdexia on December 18, 2019, 03:31:03 PM
Quote from: nachodaddy on December 18, 2019, 08:09:11 AM
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I’m riding Venture 5.2’s with a 7.875 deck, but I’m wanting to size down to 7.75 and go back to thunders. Would y’all recommend 145’s or 147’s?
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147s for sure.  when i was still on 7.75s a few years ago, i stepped my 7.5" destructos up to 147 thunders.  my immediate reaction was 'why the fuck was i skating such narrow trucks for so long?', it felt so much more stable.

Good to see you tried it out. I wanted to try narrower trucks since they’ll be easier to flip around, but the stability on manuals and grinds might suffer then. Maybe I’ll just get a 7.75 and try skating them with my 5.2 Ventures to see how I like it before buying smaller trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on December 18, 2019, 07:42:24 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 18, 2019, 08:54:21 AM
Quote from: texasplant on December 17, 2019, 08:45:47 PM
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Crazy madness happening right now, have had a set of V-Lights 5.8 for a while now and haven't set them up in fear I'll hate them. Anyone have any experience skating Ventures in tranny? I'm injured otherwise I would just set them up and skate. I want to feel this magical pop others speak about but I skate 75% transition so I'm not sure its worth the switch from my Aces/Indys.

Or would I be better trying out Thunders? I skate 56mm and know they have wheelbite issues.
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Pipe or bowls? Park 'transition' as in flow and different tranny sized obstacles?

At 75% transition Ventures are not what you are looking for. They can work but you will miss that indy/ace feeling.

Would Thunders be better for me to try then? Or would I run into the same issues? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 18, 2019, 09:55:18 PM
Quote from: texasplant on December 18, 2019, 07:42:24 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 18, 2019, 08:54:21 AM
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Quote from: texasplant on December 17, 2019, 08:45:47 PM
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Crazy madness happening right now, have had a set of V-Lights 5.8 for a while now and haven't set them up in fear I'll hate them. Anyone have any experience skating Ventures in tranny? I'm injured otherwise I would just set them up and skate. I want to feel this magical pop others speak about but I skate 75% transition so I'm not sure its worth the switch from my Aces/Indys.

Or would I be better trying out Thunders? I skate 56mm and know they have wheelbite issues.
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Pipe or bowls? Park 'transition' as in flow and different tranny sized obstacles?

At 75% transition Ventures are not what you are looking for. They can work but you will miss that indy/ace feeling.
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Would Thunders be better for me to try then? Or would I run into the same issues?

team edition thunders would be your best bet to avoid wheelbite since the baseplate is 1mm higher. really depends on how loose you ride them but i love the pop i get with thunder geometry. takes a little more effort but it feels crisp when you get used to it. i learned all my transition basics on thunders and havent been disappointed when i rode the right size

edit: 1.5 mm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on December 18, 2019, 10:01:26 PM
Quote from: off on December 18, 2019, 09:55:18 PM
Quote from: texasplant on December 18, 2019, 07:42:24 PM
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Quote from: Xen on December 18, 2019, 08:54:21 AM
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Quote from: texasplant on December 17, 2019, 08:45:47 PM
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Crazy madness happening right now, have had a set of V-Lights 5.8 for a while now and haven't set them up in fear I'll hate them. Anyone have any experience skating Ventures in tranny? I'm injured otherwise I would just set them up and skate. I want to feel this magical pop others speak about but I skate 75% transition so I'm not sure its worth the switch from my Aces/Indys.

Or would I be better trying out Thunders? I skate 56mm and know they have wheelbite issues.
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Pipe or bowls? Park 'transition' as in flow and different tranny sized obstacles?

At 75% transition Ventures are not what you are looking for. They can work but you will miss that indy/ace feeling.
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Would Thunders be better for me to try then? Or would I run into the same issues?
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team edition thunders would be your best bet to avoid wheelbite since the baseplate is 1mm higher. really depends on how loose you ride them but i love the pop i get with thunder geometry. takes a little more effort but it feels crisp when you get used to it. i learned all my transition basics on thunders and havent been disappointed when i rode the right size
team thunders are actually lower

edit: according to the official site, they're higher, but tactics claims otherwise
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 18, 2019, 10:12:34 PM
Quote from: anon on December 18, 2019, 10:01:26 PM
team thunders are actually lower

edit: according to the official site, they're higher, but tactics claims otherwise

Tactics' measurements are all over the place for trucks. 'Team' edition is another word for cast, which is taller than Thunder light (forged plates) by 1.5mm. That's why when you buy completely standard Thunders you get either "Team," the lightning bolt, or the lines on the baseplate, all interchangeable (this info is right from Reed at DLX).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 18, 2019, 10:35:42 PM
Quote from: palelight on December 18, 2019, 10:12:34 PM
Quote from: anon on December 18, 2019, 10:01:26 PM
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team thunders are actually lower

edit: according to the official site, they're higher, but tactics claims otherwise
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Tactics' measurements are all over the place for trucks. 'Team' edition is another word for cast, which is taller than Thunder light (forged plates) by 1.5mm. That's why when you buy completely standard Thunders you get either "Team," the lightning bolt, or the lines on the baseplate, all interchangeable (this info is right from Reed at DLX).

any link on that info? and yeah teams are taller
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on December 18, 2019, 10:59:51 PM
Pulled the trigger on Hollow Team 149's, I know in the past I've hated how the stock bushings feel on other setups - what is the best thing to replace them with? I heard the white supercush are what I'm after.

Do ace bushings fit?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 18, 2019, 11:01:22 PM
Quote from: off on December 18, 2019, 10:35:42 PM
Quote from: palelight on December 18, 2019, 10:12:34 PM
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Quote from: anon on December 18, 2019, 10:01:26 PM
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team thunders are actually lower

edit: according to the official site, they're higher, but tactics claims otherwise
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Tactics' measurements are all over the place for trucks. 'Team' edition is another word for cast, which is taller than Thunder light (forged plates) by 1.5mm. That's why when you buy completely standard Thunders you get either "Team," the lightning bolt, or the lines on the baseplate, all interchangeable (this info is right from Reed at DLX).
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any link on that info? and yeah teams are taller

Bottom of the page,

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=86135.msg2344235#msg2344235
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on December 19, 2019, 01:33:48 AM
Quote from: texasplant on December 18, 2019, 10:59:51 PM
Pulled the trigger on Hollow Team 149's, I know in the past I've hated how the stock bushings feel on other setups - what is the best thing to replace them with? I heard the white supercush are what I'm after.

Do ace bushings fit?

Stock Thunder bushings work. If your switching from Indy the trucks are going to feel odd regardless. Don't change too many things at once or you'll never get out of the madness.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 19, 2019, 01:44:55 AM
Quote from: Jollyoli on December 19, 2019, 01:33:48 AM
Quote from: texasplant on December 18, 2019, 10:59:51 PM
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Pulled the trigger on Hollow Team 149's, I know in the past I've hated how the stock bushings feel on other setups - what is the best thing to replace them with? I heard the white supercush are what I'm after.

Do ace bushings fit?
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Stock Thunder bushings work. If your switching from Indy the trucks are going to feel odd regardless. Don't change too many things at once or you'll never get out of the madness.

This. But to answer your question, people often say the white Thunder bushings are 'the best.' Whether that's true is very debatable. All Thunder bushings are stock 90d, but have come in many different colours over the years. It's the same urethane with different dye added to it.

Keep em stock and give them a chance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on December 19, 2019, 02:21:51 AM
Currently on a set of teams and they are taller with the cast plate.
Gave the stock bushings a chance but ended up putting in the aftermarket thunder ones
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on December 19, 2019, 05:59:36 AM
I really liked the stock thunder bushings. I liked them then put bones in thinking I’d like it even more and hated them. Give stock thunder bushings a chance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: freeclout on December 19, 2019, 06:29:57 AM
Quote from: Murge on December 19, 2019, 05:59:36 AM
I really liked the stock thunder bushings. I liked them then put bones in thinking I’d like it even more and hated them. Give stock thunder bushings a chance.

I've just picked up some thunders after years of venture. Using hard bones in my ventures and like them a lot. What would be best option in thunders, guess the stock will be far too soft for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirtjers on December 19, 2019, 06:39:14 AM
For what it's worth, I was a longtime Indy guy who was going through extreme truck madness earlier this year.. couldn't get anything to feel right. Never thought I'd skate Thunders, for whatever reason, but said fuck it and got a set of 148 Team Hollows back in August. Been skating them ever since, never needed to tighten or loosen them once... let alone add any new pieces or replace anything. Very low maintenance truck and I would really recommend trying them stock.. it's also worth mentioning that from the stuff I've read on here modifying them seems a little tougher than Indy's (most replacement parts seem to be designed with Indy in mind).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on December 19, 2019, 07:33:45 AM
Quote from: freeclout on December 19, 2019, 06:29:57 AM
Quote from: Murge on December 19, 2019, 05:59:36 AM
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I really liked the stock thunder bushings. I liked them then put bones in thinking I’d like it even more and hated them. Give stock thunder bushings a chance.
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I've just picked up some thunders after years of venture. Using hard bones in my ventures and like them a lot. What would be best option in thunders, guess the stock will be far too soft for me.

I’m a bigger dude. (6’1 225)  and stock was okay with me. But if you like harder or tighter bushings maybe get the thunder brand harder bushings. I loved bones in Indy’s I had. But I think I red on here that the bushing sizes are slightly different so they fit different in thunders. I’m sure someone else knows more and can explain better than I can. But I think that may be my issue I had was they didn’t sit right and I ended up cracking them after a few months and put stock tops back in and kept the bottom bones in and it was okay but didn’t feel as good as stocks. Give stock a couple sessions and then see if you want to change them up maybe?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on December 19, 2019, 10:04:31 AM
i just wanted to throw out another rec. for flat washers on top with thunders, that's been suggested here before and i concur.

with the stock bushings/washers, the top curved washer was binding on the hanger. the flat washer allows for a slightly deeper uninterrupted turn. look for bitting/scaring in the hanger, no scaring from the curved washer or if you ride tight trucks, then you probably don't need flat washers.


never had that problem on indy's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 19, 2019, 10:25:31 AM
Quote from: BL0B on December 19, 2019, 10:04:31 AM
i just wanted to throw out another rec. for flat washers on top with thunders, that's been suggested here before and i concur.

with the stock bushings/washers, the top curved washer was binding on the hanger. the flat washer allows for a slightly deeper uninterrupted turn. look for bitting/scaring in the hanger, no scaring from the curved washer or if you ride tight trucks, then you probably don't need flat washers.


never had that problem on indy's.

Excellent advice, more so with ventures. I can get a deep turn with ventures with no top, or flat top washer
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on December 19, 2019, 10:39:28 AM
Quote from: Ok on December 19, 2019, 10:25:31 AM
Quote from: BL0B on December 19, 2019, 10:04:31 AM
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i just wanted to throw out another rec. for flat washers on top with thunders, that's been suggested here before and i concur.

with the stock bushings/washers, the top curved washer was binding on the hanger. the flat washer allows for a slightly deeper uninterrupted turn. look for bitting/scaring in the hanger, no scaring from the curved washer or if you ride tight trucks, then you probably don't need flat washers.


never had that problem on indy's.
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Excellent advice, more so with ventures. I can get a deep turn with ventures with no top, or flat top washer


good to know, haven't ridden them since the '90s. interested in trying the 6.1's when they do hollows.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on December 19, 2019, 10:49:10 AM
Quote from: BL0B on December 19, 2019, 10:04:31 AM
i just wanted to throw out another rec. for flat washers on top with thunders, that's been suggested here before and i concur.

with the stock bushings/washers, the top curved washer was binding on the hanger. the flat washer allows for a slightly deeper uninterrupted turn. look for bitting/scaring in the hanger, no scaring from the curved washer or if you ride tight trucks, then you probably don't need flat washers.


never had that problem on indy's.

Stage 10s used to do that. I does have the benefit of reducing wheelbite.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 19, 2019, 11:21:55 AM
Quote from: BL0B on December 19, 2019, 10:39:28 AM
Quote from: Ok on December 19, 2019, 10:25:31 AM
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Quote from: BL0B on December 19, 2019, 10:04:31 AM
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i just wanted to throw out another rec. for flat washers on top with thunders, that's been suggested here before and i concur.

with the stock bushings/washers, the top curved washer was binding on the hanger. the flat washer allows for a slightly deeper uninterrupted turn. look for bitting/scaring in the hanger, no scaring from the curved washer or if you ride tight trucks, then you probably don't need flat washers.


never had that problem on indy's.
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Excellent advice, more so with ventures. I can get a deep turn with ventures with no top, or flat top washer
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good to know, haven't ridden them since the '90s. interested in trying the 6.1's when they do hollows.

Tensor ATG also bind, just like Ventures.

I've been using the bones washers on everything I ride of late, top and bottom - I ride loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on December 19, 2019, 01:24:25 PM
Speaking of ATG I'm really curious about some but here I can only find 5.5 (8.25 axle if I remember well).
Wonder how it would work on 8.5. Should be decent
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 19, 2019, 01:27:08 PM
Quote from: dirtjers on December 19, 2019, 06:39:14 AM
For what it's worth, I was a longtime Indy guy who was going through extreme truck madness earlier this year.. couldn't get anything to feel right. Never thought I'd skate Thunders, for whatever reason, but said fuck it and got a set of 148 Team Hollows back in August. Been skating them ever since, never needed to tighten or loosen them once... let alone add any new pieces or replace anything. Very low maintenance truck and I would really recommend trying them stock.. it's also worth mentioning that from the stuff I've read on here modifying them seems a little tougher than Indy's (most replacement parts seem to be designed with Indy in mind).

Bought some team thunders, in part due to your accurate recommendation. What size Indy’s were you riding before?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirtjers on December 20, 2019, 06:20:48 AM
Quote from: Ok on December 19, 2019, 01:27:08 PM
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For what it's worth, I was a longtime Indy guy who was going through extreme truck madness earlier this year.. couldn't get anything to feel right. Never thought I'd skate Thunders, for whatever reason, but said fuck it and got a set of 148 Team Hollows back in August. Been skating them ever since, never needed to tighten or loosen them once... let alone add any new pieces or replace anything. Very low maintenance truck and I would really recommend trying them stock.. it's also worth mentioning that from the stuff I've read on here modifying them seems a little tougher than Indy's (most replacement parts seem to be designed with Indy in mind).
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Bought some team thunders, in part due to your accurate recommendation. What size Indy’s were you riding before?

Word! How have they been treating you? I kind of can't believe how stoked I've been on them.. a breath of fresh air after constantly tweaking Indys. I'll always have a soft spot for Indy, it's like the ex you shouldn't go back to but for some reason catch yourself thinking about. Thunders just seem to make a little more sense for me.

I was a 149 guy for years, and as stage 10's got harder to find I would skate 139's if I found them on ebay. My last set of Indy's were stage 11's so I opted for the 144, just because I never had that option before. That size seemed real good despite me not loving stage 11. Kind of get the crooked grind of the 149 and the turn of the 139 all at once.

I strictly skated 8.25 for the longest but as I've become more flexible going up in board sizes ( a bunch of 8.5's lately), I'd probably not go any lower than 148 Thunder or 144 Indy again.... even though if hard pressed I'd say my favorite combo was 8.25/139
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 20, 2019, 07:37:32 AM
Quote from: moonordie on December 19, 2019, 01:24:25 PM
Speaking of ATG I'm really curious about some but here I can only find 5.5 (8.25 axle if I remember well).
Wonder how it would work on 8.5. Should be decent

Do you have to ride an 8.5? 8.375s with 8.25" trucks work great. Awesome trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 20, 2019, 08:54:27 AM
picked up a pair of 151 hollow lights and they exceeded my expectations. have been riding them with oj mini super juice and can still flip the board cause the trucks are so light. just gotta work on my landings. can wait to accidentally quad flip back on spitfire f4s lol. even tho i fuck with nakel outside of his music career, i prefer my trucks raw. will strip them when im not being lazy
(https://i.imgur.com/b1Ak4gjl.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 20, 2019, 10:10:23 AM
Quote from: dirtjers on December 20, 2019, 06:20:48 AM
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For what it's worth, I was a longtime Indy guy who was going through extreme truck madness earlier this year.. couldn't get anything to feel right. Never thought I'd skate Thunders, for whatever reason, but said fuck it and got a set of 148 Team Hollows back in August. Been skating them ever since, never needed to tighten or loosen them once... let alone add any new pieces or replace anything. Very low maintenance truck and I would really recommend trying them stock.. it's also worth mentioning that from the stuff I've read on here modifying them seems a little tougher than Indy's (most replacement parts seem to be designed with Indy in mind).
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Bought some team thunders, in part due to your accurate recommendation. What size Indy’s were you riding before?
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Word! How have they been treating you? I kind of can't believe how stoked I've been on them.. a breath of fresh air after constantly tweaking Indys. I'll always have a soft spot for Indy, it's like the ex you shouldn't go back to but for some reason catch yourself thinking about. Thunders just seem to make a little more sense for me.

I was a 149 guy for years, and as stage 10's got harder to find I would skate 139's if I found them on ebay. My last set of Indy's were stage 11's so I opted for the 144, just because I never had that option before. That size seemed real good despite me not loving stage 11. Kind of get the crooked grind of the 149 and the turn of the 139 all at once.

I strictly skated 8.25 for the longest but as I've become more flexible going up in board sizes ( a bunch of 8.5's lately), I'd probably not go any lower than 148 Thunder or 144 Indy again.... even though if hard pressed I'd say my favorite combo was 8.25/139

I bought 149 teams and they good. I never settle on stuff so I’ll constantly fantasize about switching them out, but that happens with every truck. I like the height of thunders, the cast plate feels good, they are not too heavy or too light.
I learned a lot of tricks on 7.6 trucks, and probably skate the best on 8” trucks. 8.25 deck and 139s actually worked really well for me, just didn’t like the way it looked. Instantly struggle with Indy 149s/ace 44s.
I’d like to ride bigger wheels, which is what throws me from skating venture lo’s, thunder 147s, where I feel limited to 51s, max.
I should have gotten 148s, and when I get some ventures, for no good reason, I’ll try the 5.6s. The 144 Indy’s were ok, gave em away, over Indy. Except for my old set of 159s that I try and cruise around on.
Do you like 8.5 on 148? I should skate narrower trucks (than deck) makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirtjers on December 20, 2019, 10:44:21 AM
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For what it's worth, I was a longtime Indy guy who was going through extreme truck madness earlier this year.. couldn't get anything to feel right. Never thought I'd skate Thunders, for whatever reason, but said fuck it and got a set of 148 Team Hollows back in August. Been skating them ever since, never needed to tighten or loosen them once... let alone add any new pieces or replace anything. Very low maintenance truck and I would really recommend trying them stock.. it's also worth mentioning that from the stuff I've read on here modifying them seems a little tougher than Indy's (most replacement parts seem to be designed with Indy in mind).
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Bought some team thunders, in part due to your accurate recommendation. What size Indy’s were you riding before?
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Word! How have they been treating you? I kind of can't believe how stoked I've been on them.. a breath of fresh air after constantly tweaking Indys. I'll always have a soft spot for Indy, it's like the ex you shouldn't go back to but for some reason catch yourself thinking about. Thunders just seem to make a little more sense for me.

I was a 149 guy for years, and as stage 10's got harder to find I would skate 139's if I found them on ebay. My last set of Indy's were stage 11's so I opted for the 144, just because I never had that option before. That size seemed real good despite me not loving stage 11. Kind of get the crooked grind of the 149 and the turn of the 139 all at once.

I strictly skated 8.25 for the longest but as I've become more flexible going up in board sizes ( a bunch of 8.5's lately), I'd probably not go any lower than 148 Thunder or 144 Indy again.... even though if hard pressed I'd say my favorite combo was 8.25/139
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I bought 149 teams and they good. I never settle on stuff so I’ll constantly fantasize about switching them out, but that happens with every truck. I like the height of thunders, the cast plate feels good, they are not too heavy or too light.
I learned a lot of tricks on 7.6 trucks, and probably skate the best on 8” trucks. 8.25 deck and 139s actually worked really well for me, just didn’t like the way it looked. Instantly struggle with Indy 149s/ace 44s.
I’d like to ride bigger wheels, which is what throws me from skating venture lo’s, thunder 147s, where I feel limited to 51s, max.
I should have gotten 148s, and when I get some ventures, for no good reason, I’ll try the 5.6s. The 144 Indy’s were ok, gave em away, over Indy. Except for my old set of 159s that I try and cruise around on.
Do you like 8.5 on 148? I should skate narrower trucks (than deck) makes a lot of sense.

Damn I screwed up the reply to this by burying it in the quote, but:

148s on 8.5 has felt really sick. I've done them on an 8.25 and 8.38, both of which were good too. It is probably the most useful width now that we're all choosing boards more based on wheelbase, tail, & nose size. Anywhere from 8.25-8.5 is good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 20, 2019, 12:14:23 PM
Quote from: dirtjers on December 20, 2019, 10:44:21 AM
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For what it's worth, I was a longtime Indy guy who was going through extreme truck madness earlier this year.. couldn't get anything to feel right. Never thought I'd skate Thunders, for whatever reason, but said fuck it and got a set of 148 Team Hollows back in August. Been skating them ever since, never needed to tighten or loosen them once... let alone add any new pieces or replace anything. Very low maintenance truck and I would really recommend trying them stock.. it's also worth mentioning that from the stuff I've read on here modifying them seems a little tougher than Indy's (most replacement parts seem to be designed with Indy in mind).
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Bought some team thunders, in part due to your accurate recommendation. What size Indy’s were you riding before?
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Word! How have they been treating you? I kind of can't believe how stoked I've been on them.. a breath of fresh air after constantly tweaking Indys. I'll always have a soft spot for Indy, it's like the ex you shouldn't go back to but for some reason catch yourself thinking about. Thunders just seem to make a little more sense for me.

I was a 149 guy for years, and as stage 10's got harder to find I would skate 139's if I found them on ebay. My last set of Indy's were stage 11's so I opted for the 144, just because I never had that option before. That size seemed real good despite me not loving stage 11. Kind of get the crooked grind of the 149 and the turn of the 139 all at once.

I strictly skated 8.25 for the longest but as I've become more flexible going up in board sizes ( a bunch of 8.5's lately), I'd probably not go any lower than 148 Thunder or 144 Indy again.... even though if hard pressed I'd say my favorite combo was 8.25/139
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I bought 149 teams and they good. I never settle on stuff so I’ll constantly fantasize about switching them out, but that happens with every truck. I like the height of thunders, the cast plate feels good, they are not too heavy or too light.
I learned a lot of tricks on 7.6 trucks, and probably skate the best on 8” trucks. 8.25 deck and 139s actually worked really well for me, just didn’t like the way it looked. Instantly struggle with Indy 149s/ace 44s.
I’d like to ride bigger wheels, which is what throws me from skating venture lo’s, thunder 147s, where I feel limited to 51s, max.
I should have gotten 148s, and when I get some ventures, for no good reason, I’ll try the 5.6s. The 144 Indy’s were ok, gave em away, over Indy. Except for my old set of 159s that I try and cruise around on.
Do you like 8.5 on 148? I should skate narrower trucks (than deck) makes a lot of sense.
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Damn I screwed up the reply to this by burying it in the quote, but:

148s on 8.5 has felt really sick. I've done them on an 8.25 and 8.38, both of which were good too. It is probably the most useful width now that we're all choosing boards more based on wheelbase, tail, & nose size. Anywhere from 8.25-8.5 is good.

8.125/8.18 can also rock 148s without issue; it truly is a wundersize.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 20, 2019, 12:37:58 PM
Feeling pretty justified in my liking trucks narrower than my board after listening to the Paul Schmitt Nine Club.

I am going to put a v-hollow 5.2 hanger on a cast plate and put it on an 8.38" board. You can tell me it is gross or wrong but I don't care, I'm already perversely satisfied by the mere thought of it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on December 20, 2019, 12:43:04 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on December 20, 2019, 12:37:58 PM
Feeling pretty justified in my liking trucks narrower than my board after listening to the Paul Schmitt Nine Club.

I am going to put a v-hollow 5.2 hanger on a cast plate and put it on an 8.38" board. You can tell me it is gross or wrong but I don't care, I'm already perversely satisfied by the mere thought of it.

What did he say about that? Saw some highlights but don't have time to go through the whole thing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 20, 2019, 12:46:53 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on December 20, 2019, 12:43:04 PM
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Feeling pretty justified in my liking trucks narrower than my board after listening to the Paul Schmitt Nine Club.

I am going to put a v-hollow 5.2 hanger on a cast plate and put it on an 8.38" board. You can tell me it is gross or wrong but I don't care, I'm already perversely satisfied by the mere thought of it.
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What did he say about that? Saw some highlights but don't have time to go through the whole thing.

He said that a board being wider than the trucks provides better leverage for flip tricks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on December 20, 2019, 02:18:23 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on December 20, 2019, 12:46:53 PM
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Feeling pretty justified in my liking trucks narrower than my board after listening to the Paul Schmitt Nine Club.

I am going to put a v-hollow 5.2 hanger on a cast plate and put it on an 8.38" board. You can tell me it is gross or wrong but I don't care, I'm already perversely satisfied by the mere thought of it.
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What did he say about that? Saw some highlights but don't have time to go through the whole thing.
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He said that a board being wider than the trucks provides better leverage for flip tricks.

Yeah that sounds about right. I like having a wider truck for the grinding space though, would you say the added benefit for flip tricks is major? Say if you were skating an 8.38 and went from 8.5 to 8.25 trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 20, 2019, 03:00:11 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on December 20, 2019, 02:18:23 PM
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Feeling pretty justified in my liking trucks narrower than my board after listening to the Paul Schmitt Nine Club.

I am going to put a v-hollow 5.2 hanger on a cast plate and put it on an 8.38" board. You can tell me it is gross or wrong but I don't care, I'm already perversely satisfied by the mere thought of it.
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What did he say about that? Saw some highlights but don't have time to go through the whole thing.
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He said that a board being wider than the trucks provides better leverage for flip tricks.
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Yeah that sounds about right. I like having a wider truck for the grinding space though, would you say the added benefit for flip tricks is major? Say if you were skating an 8.38 and went from 8.5 to 8.25 trucks.

If I go narrower with trucks, it has very little effect on my ability to grind. But wider trucks have a detrimental effect on my ability to flip my board. Flip tricks do not come naturally to me and take a ton of effort, so every little bit helps.

I am also not going to claim that this is anything beyond my preference or some weird placebo. But hearing him say that justifies a preference that I have that goes against the conventional wisdom that I've absorbed over the years.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on December 20, 2019, 03:08:52 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on December 20, 2019, 03:00:11 PM
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Feeling pretty justified in my liking trucks narrower than my board after listening to the Paul Schmitt Nine Club.

I am going to put a v-hollow 5.2 hanger on a cast plate and put it on an 8.38" board. You can tell me it is gross or wrong but I don't care, I'm already perversely satisfied by the mere thought of it.
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What did he say about that? Saw some highlights but don't have time to go through the whole thing.
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He said that a board being wider than the trucks provides better leverage for flip tricks.
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Yeah that sounds about right. I like having a wider truck for the grinding space though, would you say the added benefit for flip tricks is major? Say if you were skating an 8.38 and went from 8.5 to 8.25 trucks.
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If I go narrower with trucks, it has very little effect on my ability to grind. But wider trucks have a detrimental effect on my ability to flip my board. Flip tricks do not come naturally to me and take a ton of effort, so every little bit helps.

I am also not going to claim that this is anything beyond my preference or some weird placebo. But hearing him say that justifies a preference that I have that goes against the conventional wisdom that I've absorbed over the years.

Interesting. Something to keep in mind the next time I switch it up. Thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on December 20, 2019, 05:07:17 PM
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Speaking of ATG I'm really curious about some but here I can only find 5.5 (8.25 axle if I remember well).
Wonder how it would work on 8.5. Should be decent
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Do you have to ride an 8.5? 8.375s with 8.25" trucks work great. Awesome trucks.
Yup 8.5, when I sized up I was with 139's for a little while and even though it looked like crap it worked pretty good so I'm guessing (hoping) that 8.25 will be ok. For sure I'm good with trucks for quite a while. Currently skating Krux which are almost new, got my old 149, some 44 and the 5.5
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 20, 2019, 10:31:36 PM
Overhang helps with some tricks like nollie heels for example....but if you have em...you have em....

You definitely have more leverage though....

Wider boards and kickflips...does having more surface area when flicking actually help? 

I think a lot of this shit comes down to how you do a trick and what's comfortable...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on December 20, 2019, 10:35:44 PM
Put some new bones hards in my Indys. First set in more than half a decade probably. Been on Indy aftermarkets these last handful of years. They feel just as good as I remembered them feeling, but I had to stop skating bones cuz they would wear out and break so easily, especially the plastic core. Hopefully this set lasts longer than they used to.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 20, 2019, 11:13:05 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on December 20, 2019, 12:37:58 PM
Feeling pretty justified in my liking trucks narrower than my board after listening to the Paul Schmitt Nine Club.

I am going to put a v-hollow 5.2 hanger on a cast plate and put it on an 8.38" board. You can tell me it is gross or wrong but I don't care, I'm already perversely satisfied by the mere thought of it.

The cast plate, and on ventures especially, just ‘feels’ a lot better. Kinda hate myself for being so weird about the feel of some things. Annoying.
But hi’s or lo’s tho? 8.38 is a pretty nice board width. I used to hate cuz it seemed like I only tried bbs boards and a lot of their 8.38s had mega ramp wb (anything above 14.25 and I really bitch and moan).
The board overhang allows a much deeper turn before wheelbite. I’ve seen it somewhere written that .125ish over is the good ratio, ala 7.6 trucks, 775 board, or more recently the 8” trucks and 8.125” board. Absolutely makes you feel like you have more leverage and a faster flip. The baker guys seemed to run this kit (I will forever be interested in what my skate hero’s actually ride): wider board than trucks. Hard to tell from pictures tho. Wider trucks than board just looks cool.


Dirtjers, I should have followed that path with 148s, I could easily see myself riding boards 8-8.5” (hard for me to really think I ‘should’ ride something outside of those window) on that size. I’ve been annoyed that I wasn’t able to keep tricks as the trends moved to 8.5” trucks.

Lots of blah blah here from me. Wide feels good. Until I try and do a trick.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on December 20, 2019, 11:47:54 PM
Better all round truck - Ace 55 or 159?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on December 20, 2019, 11:59:39 PM
Quote from: Ok on December 20, 2019, 11:13:05 PM
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Feeling pretty justified in my liking trucks narrower than my board after listening to the Paul Schmitt Nine Club.

I am going to put a v-hollow 5.2 hanger on a cast plate and put it on an 8.38" board. You can tell me it is gross or wrong but I don't care, I'm already perversely satisfied by the mere thought of it.
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The cast plate, and on ventures especially, just ‘feels’ a lot better. Kinda hate myself for being so weird about the feel of some things. Annoying.
But hi’s or lo’s tho? 8.38 is a pretty nice board width. I used to hate cuz it seemed like I only tried bbs boards and a lot of their 8.38s had mega ramp wb (anything above 14.25 and I really bitch and moan).
The board overhang allows a much deeper turn before wheelbite. I’ve seen it somewhere written that .125ish over is the good ratio, ala 7.6 trucks, 775 board, or more recently the 8” trucks and 8.125” board. Absolutely makes you feel like you have more leverage and a faster flip. The baker guys seemed to run this kit (I will forever be interested in what my skate hero’s actually ride): wider board than trucks. Hard to tell from pictures tho. Wider trucks than board just looks cool.


Dirtjers, I should have followed that path with 148s, I could easily see myself riding boards 8-8.5” (hard for me to really think I ‘should’ ride something outside of those window) on that size. I’ve been annoyed that I wasn’t able to keep tricks as the trends moved to 8.5” trucks.

Lots of blah blah here from me. Wide feels good. Until I try and do a trick.

Whats the reason behind the board overhang allowing a deeper turn before wheelbite? If anything I thought that wider trucks should allowed that since there should be more space between wheel and board due to the concave at the edge. I'm probably not considering something.

A lot of people seem to dislike the forged plates. On Ventures I can understand a bit more since they apparently extend your wheelbase more when even cast Ventures already extend them more than any other truck. I personally prefer the reduced weight and lower height of forged plates. But height and weight aside, do they really feel that much different? Haven't done a side by side comparison before, but I've never noticed forged plates feeling tinny or whatever many people say here. Also seems like the mounting holes oval out more on cast plates.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 21, 2019, 08:11:41 AM
For me it's partially an aesthetic thing, but also that it feels like there is better baseplate contact on noseslides and that the positioning of the forged makes switching out trucks a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 21, 2019, 08:23:48 AM
Yeah forged just feel cheaper, I like the extra height on my thunders and because I put in krux kingpins....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on December 21, 2019, 08:29:24 AM
I liked the forged on Indy and ran that for a few years but on any other truck I want cast
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 21, 2019, 11:24:52 AM
Quote from: texasplant on December 20, 2019, 11:47:54 PM
Better all round truck - Ace 55 or 159?


Haven’t had 55s.
Have old 159s, still stage 11 tho. Baseplate warped, don’t care. Only Indy’s I have that I don’t want to give away. I’m also not sure what the advantages are of riding a wider that 8.75 truck. Or the penalties seem more severe (lot harder to flip)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 21, 2019, 11:38:31 AM
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Feeling pretty justified in my liking trucks narrower than my board after listening to the Paul Schmitt Nine Club.

I am going to put a v-hollow 5.2 hanger on a cast plate and put it on an 8.38" board. You can tell me it is gross or wrong but I don't care, I'm already perversely satisfied by the mere thought of it.
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The cast plate, and on ventures especially, just ‘feels’ a lot better. Kinda hate myself for being so weird about the feel of some things. Annoying.
But hi’s or lo’s tho? 8.38 is a pretty nice board width. I used to hate cuz it seemed like I only tried bbs boards and a lot of their 8.38s had mega ramp wb (anything above 14.25 and I really bitch and moan).
The board overhang allows a much deeper turn before wheelbite. I’ve seen it somewhere written that .125ish over is the good ratio, ala 7.6 trucks, 775 board, or more recently the 8” trucks and 8.125” board. Absolutely makes you feel like you have more leverage and a faster flip. The baker guys seemed to run this kit (I will forever be interested in what my skate hero’s actually ride): wider board than trucks. Hard to tell from pictures tho. Wider trucks than board just looks cool.


Dirtjers, I should have followed that path with 148s, I could easily see myself riding boards 8-8.5” (hard for me to really think I ‘should’ ride something outside of those window) on that size. I’ve been annoyed that I wasn’t able to keep tricks as the trends moved to 8.5” trucks.

Lots of blah blah here from me. Wide feels good. Until I try and do a trick.
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Whats the reason behind the board overhang allowing a deeper turn before wheelbite? If anything I thought that wider trucks should allowed that since there should be more space between wheel and board due to the concave at the edge. I'm probably not considering something.

A lot of people seem to dislike the forged plates. On Ventures I can understand a bit more since they apparently extend your wheelbase more when even cast Ventures already extend them more than any other truck. I personally prefer the reduced weight and lower height of forged plates. But height and weight aside, do they really feel that much different? Haven't done a side by side comparison before, but I've never noticed forged plates feeling tinny or whatever many people say here. Also seems like the mounting holes oval out more on cast plates.

Please someone correct me if I’m wrong, but narrower trucks tuck the wheels in, the board has much more room to tilt before the deck touches the wheels. I thought that’s why lots of rail skaters used the wider truck, easier pinch, which is also about wheelbite.

Forged plates. I like light shit. I had one of the best setups/days of my skate life on a board that had those horrible spitfire hollow wheels, feedback from the vibrations in the street drives me nuts (already nutter), the sounds the board makes are disgusting, when using cast plates. Easier wheelbite. I have one set of venture hi’s, in 5.0, which are fucking ridiculous looking. Fun to skate tho. Those ones are ok, the thunders I have are nice and light, but 147s and I tap out if the wheel is 51mm or above. Indy’s are ok, just not my fave. Venture lo’s feel dramatically better to me cast (sidenote cast venture 5.0s are hilariously heavy feeling, doesn’t matter). Hollow trucks also feel weird on chunky ledges. Heavier truck powers thru.
I’m happy to be proven wrong.



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on December 21, 2019, 12:35:27 PM
I see, seems to all be related to the perceived feeling of 'solidness' for lack of a better way to put it. Though I'm quite liking my Venture Tis with forged plates so I'm gonna try unread all of that to prevent it messing with my head lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 21, 2019, 12:44:23 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on December 21, 2019, 12:35:27 PM
I see, seems to all be related to the perceived feeling of 'solidness' for lack of a better way to put it. Though I'm quite liking my Venture Tis with forged plates so I'm gonna try unread all of that to prevent it messing with my head lol


Please please do.
Yes it’s all about a ‘feel’ aka gibberish.
Once you have something you like, roll with that, the cascade of consequences (dramatic) of changing a piece of the set up aren’t worth it imo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on December 22, 2019, 12:02:47 PM
I was talking with my friend today who's a material tech engineer and he told he'd been surfin' the interwebs and came across the Ace website where they apparently list some details of what alloy they use. He said it's a completely different alloy than what other trucks are made of. I think it was aluminum with zinc while the others are aluminum with silicone. He said that the alloy that Ace uses is just as hard as the alloy the others use but doesn't require the heat treatment step to harden it to be as strong. Making the process faster and more efficient. The alloy Ace uses can also be hardened to make it stronger but he was guessing it could possibly make it more brittle or something like that. Maybe this is what Joey T was talking about with the new Aces and it was misinterpreted as the whole truck being forged. Dunno but I found this very interesting and we nerded over truck materials at the local skate shop for a while until some pesky customers interrupted our chat.  :D

I can ask him more about it later on. Dunno if this also makes Aces grind differently or if it has something to do with them being sorta heavy and the round barrel design around the axle. Anyway, just thought ppl here might be interested in this sorta nerdery. 🤓
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 22, 2019, 12:13:04 PM
There is a 'tinny' sort of feeling to forged plates, especially when you pair them with hard wheels (especially bones); I like it.

I just swapped some regular stfs for 101 F4s and it totally deadened the feel and sound of my board (AHero+Tensor Mags); it made it feel thunky instead of crispy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on December 22, 2019, 12:47:38 PM
Quote from: Roisto on December 22, 2019, 12:02:47 PM
I was talking with my friend today who's a material tech engineer and he told he'd been surfin' the interwebs and came across the Ace website where they apparently list some details of what alloy they use. He said it's a completely different alloy than what other trucks are made of. I think it was aluminum with zinc while the others are aluminum with silicone. He said that the alloy that Ace uses is just as hard as the alloy the others use but doesn't require the heat treatment step to harden it to be as strong. Making the process faster and more efficient. The alloy Ace uses can also be hardened to make it stronger but he was guessing it could possibly make it more brittle or something like that. Maybe this is what Joey T was talking about with the new Aces and it was misinterpreted as the whole truck being forged. Dunno but I found this very interesting and we nerded over truck materials at the local skate shop for a while until some pesky customers interrupted our chat.  :D

I can ask him more about it later on. Dunno if this also makes Aces grind differently or if it has something to do with them being sorta heavy and the round barrel design around the axle. Anyway, just thought ppl here might be interested in this sorta nerdery. 🤓
Can't wait for more nerdery
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on December 22, 2019, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: Roisto on December 22, 2019, 12:02:47 PM
I was talking with my friend today who's a material tech engineer and he told he'd been surfin' the interwebs and came across the Ace website where they apparently list some details of what alloy they use. He said it's a completely different alloy than what other trucks are made of. I think it was aluminum with zinc while the others are aluminum with silicone. He said that the alloy that Ace uses is just as hard as the alloy the others use but doesn't require the heat treatment step to harden it to be as strong. Making the process faster and more efficient. The alloy Ace uses can also be hardened to make it stronger but he was guessing it could possibly make it more brittle or something like that. Maybe this is what Joey T was talking about with the new Aces and it was misinterpreted as the whole truck being forged. Dunno but I found this very interesting and we nerded over truck materials at the local skate shop for a while until some pesky customers interrupted our chat.  :D

I can ask him more about it later on. Dunno if this also makes Aces grind differently or if it has something to do with them being sorta heavy and the round barrel design around the axle. Anyway, just thought ppl here might be interested in this sorta nerdery. 🤓
Indy/Ermico are 356 alloy. I feel like this is standard for any good truck, think I recently read Tracker was using it in '79. Ermico uses T6 heat-treat. Did they use T4 in the 90's? I recall that for some reason. Anyhow.. T4 is what a lower-end (regular) cylinder head would use, T6 would be for performance/race stuff. I think some (most?) heads use 356 alloy too but not sure..
I think Ace uses 7071 alloy, I vaguely recall seeing that in an ad or something. I don't remember if it said anything about heat-treat.
Iirc, heat-treat softens the aluminum, increases ductility and reduces chances of cracking. (I remember it as aluminum softens with heat and hardens with work, please correct me if I'm wrong) Personally I think the main purpose is to soften the hanger for smoother grinds. Harder would clatter more, Tracker Aggro's with silicon alloy sucked..
Newer Indy axles are 4140 chromoly steel. Idr what the old stuff or Ace's use. Older Indy axle info is in the Stage chart from the Indy book.

Forged hangers would be really tough to do. Are axles cast into the hanger? I guess it could be done with a die but idk. Ace with an industry first? Idk
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 22, 2019, 02:21:56 PM
The consensus is Aces's grind quite well....I've always thought they were just plain softer....I think they grind down quickly though and they don't have a ton of meat in them like an Indy....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on December 22, 2019, 02:39:06 PM
https://shop.acetrucks.com/products/ace-trucks-33-polished
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Constructed from pure 7071 series aluminum
Heat treated 3056 series steel axles
I'm guessing this is sloppy wording and that the hanger is heat treated. Cuz I see no point in heat treating the axles and then casting them into the hangers...


Yeah. 7071 might play well with concrete. Anyone wanna geek out on the elemental analysis of it and 356?
Coefficient of friction for waxed concrete?
Gimme Rockwell hardnesses and fatigue info too please
Wear rates..


Btw, looked up car stuff and it's A356. Didn't read further to see what the differences are.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on December 22, 2019, 02:58:50 PM
they definitely grind down a lot faster than Indys. I personally kind've hate the grind and how I catch kingpin on slappys even though I'm not that close to axle, but I kind of keep coming back to them because it does feel kind of good when I have the curb waxed up extra.
honestly was super surprised at how nice slappys feel with ventures. stood on them and thought I was gonna hate them but slappys feel great. for me nothing beats Indys for slappys and I'll probably revert back to those eventually unless these new 8.5 aces are really good, just can't settle in on the 44s, gotta have a 149/5.8 truck. felt the same way about indy 144s so I'm glad I didn't snag 5.6s after how easy it was to settle in on such a drastically different geo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on December 22, 2019, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 22, 2019, 02:21:56 PM
The consensus is Aces's grind quite well....I've always thought they were just plain softer....I think they grind down quickly though and they don't have a ton of meat in them like an Indy....
Couldn't agree more with you. Aces wear down like butter near a hot knife. In my experience Krux feeling is totally different from any other truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 50mm on December 23, 2019, 04:30:41 PM
I just don’t think I can do Thunders. I love the feel when I push and feel close to the ground but they turn like ass and I get crazy wheelbite. Even with 52s and tight ass trucks. Gonna go back to indys tonight and try them with a board with a longer wheel base. Was planning on skating more transition anyways. I’ll buy some bearings and hardware soon though and have two setups. Mwahaha.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 23, 2019, 06:02:34 PM
Yeah. Been skating these 161’s and even with risers and using some high quality Venom bushings they just don’t offer that last bit of deep carve you need to get the most out of transition/bowls. Bones washers allowed it a tiny bit more, and no washers was just flop to get-pitched wheelbite. Thunders are completely off my list of truck madness options.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 50mm on December 23, 2019, 06:24:02 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 23, 2019, 06:02:34 PM
Yeah. Been skating these 161’s and even with risers and using some high quality Venom bushings they just don’t offer that last bit of deep carve you need to get the most out of transition/bowls. Bones washers allowed it a tiny bit more, and no washers was just flop to get-pitched wheelbite. Thunders are completely off my list of truck madness options.
I wanted to like them, got them coming back from an injury and was tired of skating strictly indy for well over a decade. But I guess I used them for a reason. Should have messed with board shapes before I started messing with my trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 23, 2019, 07:41:25 PM
Yeah Indy’s have been seen through the scope of “overrated” by me for awhile. Then they stepped their quality up a notch and seem to have a stage 11.5-12 going right now and the turning is really just as good as the Ace’s without the severe quality control issues. But I wanted a new wide Thunder so I tried.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on December 23, 2019, 09:02:49 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 23, 2019, 07:41:25 PM
Yeah Indy’s have been seen through the scope of “overrated” by me for awhile. Then they stepped their quality up a notch and seem to have a stage 11.5-12 going right now and the turning is really just as good as the Ace’s without the severe quality control issues. But I wanted a new wide Thunder so I tried.
i haven't skated indys in years - prior to the development of my truck preferences. i deliberately avoided them because they are "overrated". now i want a light truck and am considering the forged hollows. it'd be nice if they did turn as well as aces
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 24, 2019, 07:55:04 AM
Indys are overrated in that they aren't necessarily better than everything else....but they aren't worse either...Aces turn better for sure, to me they are the number one truck to try if you are setting up something on the bigger side.  Indys have more options though, don't shrink your wheelbase, and beefier.....

Re 161's: 8.25 and up=ACE, Indy.  8.25 and under: Thunder, Venture, Indy

There's just a point when you're skating certain size boards where the truck properties don't translate, it could even just be marketing....but who gives a shit about ACE 33's? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 24, 2019, 09:05:17 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 24, 2019, 07:55:04 AM
Indys are overrated in that they aren't necessarily better than everything else....but they aren't worse either...Aces turn better for sure, to me they are the number one truck to try if you are setting up something on the bigger side.  Indys have more options though, don't shrink your wheelbase, and beefier.....

Re 161's: 8.25 and up=ACE, Indy.  8.25 and under: Thunder, Venture, Indy

There's just a point when you're skating certain size boards where the truck properties don't translate, it could even just be marketing....but who gives a shit about ACE 33's?


If someone was just starting, I would have recommended them Indy’s, in the past. Good neutral. Rather not support them now tho.

Right when ace came out I had the 33s, and I’m still very fond of how they look. Fuckin squirrelly those ones.

Really torturing myself with the back n forth between 5.2 or 5.6 hi’s. A little overhang is good. But.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 24, 2019, 09:39:12 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 24, 2019, 07:55:04 AM
Indys are overrated in that they aren't necessarily better than everything else....but they aren't worse either...Aces turn better for sure, to me they are the number one truck to try if you are setting up something on the bigger side.  Indys have more options though, don't shrink your wheelbase, and beefier.....

Re 161's: 8.25 and up=ACE, Indy.  8.25 and under: Thunder, Venture, Indy

There's just a point when you're skating certain size boards where the truck properties don't translate, it could even just be marketing....but who gives a shit about ACE 33's?

id really divide them by how they affect your wheelbase first, truck performance second, and maybe truck height last. but then again im really sensitive to wb so that might just be me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 50mm on December 24, 2019, 10:08:40 AM
I’d like to try Ace because I like the look but they have an even shorter wheel base don't they? I should  sell my thunders. $25 shipped. Skated a curb for like an hour.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 24, 2019, 12:19:37 PM
Quote from: 50mm on December 24, 2019, 10:08:40 AM
I’d like to try Ace because I like the look but they have an even shorter wheel base don't they? I should  sell my thunders. $25 shipped. Skated a curb for like an hour.
Pm’ed
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on December 24, 2019, 08:16:20 PM
Quote from: 50mm on December 24, 2019, 10:08:40 AM
I’d like to try Ace because I like the look but they have an even shorter wheel base don't they? I should sell my thunders. $25 shipped. Skated a curb for like an hour.
ace w the shortest wheelbase yeah.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on December 25, 2019, 04:25:17 PM
so film trucks are now available in the US
https://eurotings.com/collections/all-film
kind of tempted, but must resist... someone tell ben degros to review them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on December 25, 2019, 05:16:21 PM
(http://www.peterverdone.com/wiki/images/a/a1/Skategeometry.jpg)

Anyone seen this?
It's easy to eyeball and compare if you have the trucks in hand but I think getting accurate measurements would be frustrating
You wanna imagine a line going thru the center of the pivot nub/cup and where the hanger pivots on the bottom (baseplate side) bushing. I try to guess where the top of the bushing would intersect the center of the kingpin
Then for offset you're eyeballing off that imaginary line. Roll center might be worth noting too
Try to explain that to the guy at Zumiez


http://www.peterverdone.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_skateboards_turn
Some math here


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/htmlview
And some measurements here
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 26, 2019, 12:23:08 AM
got $65 gift card for my local for christmas and want to try out the venture 6.1. coming from thunder, what can i expect?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 26, 2019, 12:28:35 AM
Quote from: off on December 26, 2019, 12:23:08 AM
got $65 gift card for my local for christmas and want to try out the venture 6.1. coming from thunder, what can i expect?

Less twitchy. Considerably harder to wheelbite. They're capable of tuning deeper once they're broken in but the turn takes longer (like a bigger arc that doesn't bottom out like Thunders do). Excellent clearance. Height and weight are very similar. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nap on December 26, 2019, 01:39:44 AM
I wanna switch from a 8.25 (with 144 Indys) to 8.38. Is it recommended to stick with 144's or do I have to switch up to 149's ?
I'm kinda afraid, if the trucks are wider than the board, that the turning is getting less loose.

Thank you in advance.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on December 26, 2019, 01:55:24 AM
Quote from: Nap on December 26, 2019, 01:39:44 AM
I wanna switch from a 8.25 (with 144 Indys) to 8.38. Is it recommended to stick with 144's or do I have to switch up to 149's ?
I'm kinda afraid, if the trucks are wider than the board, that the turning is getting less loose.

Thank you in advance.

Just stick with it, you won't notice anything.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on December 26, 2019, 02:38:46 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on December 26, 2019, 01:55:24 AM
Quote from: Nap on December 26, 2019, 01:39:44 AM
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I wanna switch from a 8.25 (with 144 Indys) to 8.38. Is it recommended to stick with 144's or do I have to switch up to 149's ?
I'm kinda afraid, if the trucks are wider than the board, that the turning is getting less loose.

Thank you in advance.
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Just stick with it, you won't notice anything.
X2, you shouldn't have any problem unless you're thinking of sizing up in the future to 8.5 and beyond.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 26, 2019, 06:11:39 AM
Quote from: off on December 26, 2019, 12:23:08 AM
got $65 gift card for my local for christmas and want to try out the venture 6.1. coming from thunder, what can i expect?

I tried some 6.1's this week and did not like them at all.  I have to attribute it to the cast baseplates.  I love v-hollow 5.8 and 5.2 but once you increase the height and pull the axles in, the Ventures to be just became an Indy.  They completely lost that magical venture pop
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on December 26, 2019, 06:55:09 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 26, 2019, 06:11:39 AM
Quote from: off on December 26, 2019, 12:23:08 AM
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got $65 gift card for my local for christmas and want to try out the venture 6.1. coming from thunder, what can i expect?
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I tried some 6.1's this week and did not like them at all.  I have to attribute it to the cast baseplates.  I love v-hollow 5.8 and 5.2 but once you increase the height and pull the axles in, the Ventures to be just became an Indy.  They completely lost that magical venture pop
selling? Cast still push the wb out only something like 1/8” less than the forged I thought was measured. Arent 5.8 hollow 53.5mm high too same as 6.1? versus 55mm for Indy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 7th Chamber on December 26, 2019, 07:26:50 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 26, 2019, 06:11:39 AM
Quote from: off on December 26, 2019, 12:23:08 AM
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got $65 gift card for my local for christmas and want to try out the venture 6.1. coming from thunder, what can i expect?
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I tried some 6.1's this week and did not like them at all.  I have to attribute it to the cast baseplates.  I love v-hollow 5.8 and 5.2 but once you increase the height and pull the axles in, the Ventures to be just became an Indy.  They completely lost that magical venture pop
(https://media.tenor.com/images/e03accf1864d61ed9f708a21247fef13/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 26, 2019, 08:03:35 AM
Quote from: jay_nev on December 26, 2019, 06:55:09 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 26, 2019, 06:11:39 AM
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Quote from: off on December 26, 2019, 12:23:08 AM
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got $65 gift card for my local for christmas and want to try out the venture 6.1. coming from thunder, what can i expect?
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I tried some 6.1's this week and did not like them at all.  I have to attribute it to the cast baseplates.  I love v-hollow 5.8 and 5.2 but once you increase the height and pull the axles in, the Ventures to be just became an Indy.  They completely lost that magical venture pop
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selling? Cast still push the wb out only something like 1/8” less than the forged I thought was measured. Arent 5.8 hollow 53.5mm high too same as 6.1? versus 55mm for Indy

Giving them to a homie this weekend.  The cast ventures are 53.5 and I normally skate forged indys so they're the same height.  Having only skated the forged ventures previously (except for the 90s) they felt like completely different trucks. 

Better turn, no more magic pop which is exactly how i would describe Indys
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on December 26, 2019, 03:16:20 PM
my venture 5.8s now a little more broken in do kinda remind me of stage 10 Indys, the turn isn't as sharp as stage 11, they're a little lower then stage 11. only difference is way more kingpin clearance and so far they don't have that secret feature where they lock up and pitch you at random like stage 10 did for me. I can see why the hype is there now because I didn't see it at all when I got them, but I wasn't hating either. Pretty much stage 10 Indys for me with the wheelbase just a little bit stretched out.

I miss stage 10 Indys, aside from getting pitched, that hasn't happened to me on any other truck. idk how it even would happen but I took my worst slams on those trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 26, 2019, 04:43:34 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 26, 2019, 06:11:39 AM
Quote from: off on December 26, 2019, 12:23:08 AM
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got $65 gift card for my local for christmas and want to try out the venture 6.1. coming from thunder, what can i expect?
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I tried some 6.1's this week and did not like them at all.  I have to attribute it to the cast baseplates.  I love v-hollow 5.8 and 5.2 but once you increase the height and pull the axles in, the Ventures to be just became an Indy.  They completely lost that magical venture pop

do you have a picture to compare the 5.8 and 6.1 axles? didnt hear anything about the axle being pushed in. i ride 1/8 risers so the height wont be an issue but i do want to try the longer wb trucks so get back to us when you can
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 26, 2019, 06:17:48 PM
Quote from: moonordie on December 26, 2019, 02:38:46 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on December 26, 2019, 01:55:24 AM
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Quote from: Nap on December 26, 2019, 01:39:44 AM
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I wanna switch from a 8.25 (with 144 Indys) to 8.38. Is it recommended to stick with 144's or do I have to switch up to 149's ?
I'm kinda afraid, if the trucks are wider than the board, that the turning is getting less loose.

Thank you in advance.
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Just stick with it, you won't notice anything.
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X2, you shouldn't have any problem unless you're thinking of sizing up in the future to 8.5 and beyond.

X3 - I actually prefer 8.3xs with 8.25" trucks over 149s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on December 26, 2019, 06:25:59 PM
Just to be different but I hated my first 8.375 with 144s, I even had phat wheels to counter it and nothing. Switched to 149s this past January and haven’t looked back
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 26, 2019, 07:21:50 PM
Ended up with a pair of Krux and in trying to ride them, I found that the turning radius isn’t nearly tight enough for me (I’m coming from riding thunders and Indy’s wobbly loose/almost wobbly loose) so I got to tinkering.

It turns out that if you put an Indy baseplate (keeping the Indy king pin and bushings so far) on a Krux hanger, you end up with an interesting mix of the qualities of both. They turn almost like Indy’s, keep the height that both trucks usually have, keep the lighter weight of the Krux hangar and also with the big king pin clearance of Krux. The wheelbase seems pushed out slightly further than Indy with this modification , but the pop feels virtually the same.

I think it’s because the square part of the top of the baseplate that the kingpin comes out of on Indy’s is significantly higher than that of Krux, so it pushes the Krux hanger forward slightly and elevates the back of the hanger which seems to give it a deeper turning radius. It seems like, when you press the wheel into the wheel well, that this Indy baseplate makes the wheel arc towards the center of the deck more than the Krux baseplate which seems to keep a straighter line to the wheel well when pressing the wheel down.

Anyway, I would not buy Krux with this modification in mind, but if you end up with a pair and want to screw around with them rather than letting them go to waste, this seems to help the turning problem.

I haven’t ridden them long enough to say for sure, but it doesn’t seem like this modification would put weird stresses on the truck that would make it break more easily either.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on December 26, 2019, 07:51:24 PM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on December 26, 2019, 07:21:50 PM
Ended up with a pair of Krux and in trying to ride them, I found that the turning radius isn’t nearly tight enough for me (I’m coming from riding thunders and Indy’s wobbly loose/almost wobbly loose) so I got to tinkering.

It turns out that if you put an Indy baseplate (keeping the Indy king pin and bushings so far) on a Krux hanger, you end up with an interesting mix of the qualities of both. They turn almost like Indy’s, keep the height that both trucks usually have, keep the lighter weight of the Krux hangar and also with the big king pin clearance of Krux. The wheelbase seems pushed out slightly further than Indy with this modification , but the pop feels virtually the same.

I think it’s because the square part of the top of the baseplate that the kingpin comes out of on Indy’s is significantly higher than that of Krux, so it pushes the Krux hanger forward slightly and elevates the back of the hanger which seems to give it a deeper turning radius. It seems like, when you press the wheel into the wheel well, that this Indy baseplate makes the wheel arc towards the center of the deck more than the Krux baseplate which seems to keep a straighter line to the wheel well when pressing the wheel down.

Anyway, I would not buy Krux with this modification in mind, but if you end up with a pair and want to screw around with them rather than letting them go to waste, this seems to help the turning problem.

I haven’t ridden them long enough to say for sure, but it doesn’t seem like this modification would put weird stresses on the truck that would make it break more easily either.

I can definitely see this being the case. A mate of mine was running the opposite - Krux baseplate and kingpin, Indy 159 hangar. Did the opposite of what you described, made the turn more linear. I hated it but he seemed to think it was worth it for the downlow kingpin.

Interesting to know though - I do like how Krux hangars look but they turn like dog shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sammyz on December 26, 2019, 07:59:48 PM
This is probably a dumb question, but would there be any issues of using an 149 baseplate on a 159 hanger? Im assuming not...but thought the more educated amongst you would know.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on December 26, 2019, 08:04:08 PM
Quote from: sammyz on December 26, 2019, 07:59:48 PM
This is probably a dumb question, but would there be any issues of using an 149 baseplate on a 159 hanger? Im assuming not...but thought the more educated amongst you would know.

No problems at all. Only difference is it won't be 6 hole, which literally doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 26, 2019, 08:31:16 PM
Quote from: texasplant on December 26, 2019, 07:51:24 PM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on December 26, 2019, 07:21:50 PM
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Ended up with a pair of Krux and in trying to ride them, I found that the turning radius isn’t nearly tight enough for me (I’m coming from riding thunders and Indy’s wobbly loose/almost wobbly loose) so I got to tinkering.

It turns out that if you put an Indy baseplate (keeping the Indy king pin and bushings so far) on a Krux hanger, you end up with an interesting mix of the qualities of both. They turn almost like Indy’s, keep the height that both trucks usually have, keep the lighter weight of the Krux hangar and also with the big king pin clearance of Krux. The wheelbase seems pushed out slightly further than Indy with this modification , but the pop feels virtually the same.

I think it’s because the square part of the top of the baseplate that the kingpin comes out of on Indy’s is significantly higher than that of Krux, so it pushes the Krux hanger forward slightly and elevates the back of the hanger which seems to give it a deeper turning radius. It seems like, when you press the wheel into the wheel well, that this Indy baseplate makes the wheel arc towards the center of the deck more than the Krux baseplate which seems to keep a straighter line to the wheel well when pressing the wheel down.

Anyway, I would not buy Krux with this modification in mind, but if you end up with a pair and want to screw around with them rather than letting them go to waste, this seems to help the turning problem.

I haven’t ridden them long enough to say for sure, but it doesn’t seem like this modification would put weird stresses on the truck that would make it break more easily either.
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I can definitely see this being the case. A mate of mine was running the opposite - Krux baseplate and kingpin, Indy 159 hangar. Did the opposite of what you described, made the turn more linear. I hated it but he seemed to think it was worth it for the downlow kingpin.

Interesting to know though - I do like how Krux hangars look but they turn like dog shit

Interesting! Yeah, that turn felt awful to me, I can’t imagine seeking that out but then again I’m sure a lot of folks would hate the way I ride my set ups haha. It was really odd to have wobbly loose trucks that barely turned. Never felt that in a truck before and it kind of felt like they were broken, like they weren’t doing what they were supposed to. The hangers do look cool and I like the king pin clearance even with the Indy kp. I’ll probably try and see if the Krux inverted kp fits in my thunders at some point to see if I can get some Smith grinds on those finally.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on December 26, 2019, 08:56:12 PM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on December 26, 2019, 08:31:16 PM
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Ended up with a pair of Krux and in trying to ride them, I found that the turning radius isn’t nearly tight enough for me (I’m coming from riding thunders and Indy’s wobbly loose/almost wobbly loose) so I got to tinkering.

It turns out that if you put an Indy baseplate (keeping the Indy king pin and bushings so far) on a Krux hanger, you end up with an interesting mix of the qualities of both. They turn almost like Indy’s, keep the height that both trucks usually have, keep the lighter weight of the Krux hangar and also with the big king pin clearance of Krux. The wheelbase seems pushed out slightly further than Indy with this modification , but the pop feels virtually the same.

I think it’s because the square part of the top of the baseplate that the kingpin comes out of on Indy’s is significantly higher than that of Krux, so it pushes the Krux hanger forward slightly and elevates the back of the hanger which seems to give it a deeper turning radius. It seems like, when you press the wheel into the wheel well, that this Indy baseplate makes the wheel arc towards the center of the deck more than the Krux baseplate which seems to keep a straighter line to the wheel well when pressing the wheel down.

Anyway, I would not buy Krux with this modification in mind, but if you end up with a pair and want to screw around with them rather than letting them go to waste, this seems to help the turning problem.

I haven’t ridden them long enough to say for sure, but it doesn’t seem like this modification would put weird stresses on the truck that would make it break more easily either.
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I can definitely see this being the case. A mate of mine was running the opposite - Krux baseplate and kingpin, Indy 159 hangar. Did the opposite of what you described, made the turn more linear. I hated it but he seemed to think it was worth it for the downlow kingpin.

Interesting to know though - I do like how Krux hangars look but they turn like dog shit
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Interesting! Yeah, that turn felt awful to me, I can’t imagine seeking that out but then again I’m sure a lot of folks would hate the way I ride my set ups haha. It was really odd to have wobbly loose trucks that barely turned. Never felt that in a truck before and it kind of felt like they were broken, like they weren’t doing what they were supposed to. The hangers do look cool and I like the king pin clearance even with the Indy kp. I’ll probably try and see if the Krux inverted kp fits in my thunders at some point to see if I can get some Smith grinds on those finally.
not worth it if you like to skate wobbly loose. the kingpin not being fixed in place delays the turn ever so slightly. subtle, but kind of annoying from my experience. even if you use epoxy to hold the nut still, the kingpin isn't long enough to engage the nylon on the nut. you'd have to crank 'em tight. although you could use threadlocker... i advise against them, but i guess you'll have to see for yourself

the krux inverted kingpins did their job, but it's not the same without the grind of the kingpin nut on a smith. it felt too smooth -- bleh. if you want kingpin clearance, don't go with thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 26, 2019, 09:14:33 PM
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This is probably a dumb question, but would there be any issues of using an 149 baseplate on a 159 hanger? Im assuming not...but thought the more educated amongst you would know.
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No problems at all. Only difference is it won't be 6 hole, which literally doesn't matter.

6 hole looks cooler. Undeniable
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 26, 2019, 09:19:44 PM
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Ended up with a pair of Krux and in trying to ride them, I found that the turning radius isn’t nearly tight enough for me (I’m coming from riding thunders and Indy’s wobbly loose/almost wobbly loose) so I got to tinkering.

It turns out that if you put an Indy baseplate (keeping the Indy king pin and bushings so far) on a Krux hanger, you end up with an interesting mix of the qualities of both. They turn almost like Indy’s, keep the height that both trucks usually have, keep the lighter weight of the Krux hangar and also with the big king pin clearance of Krux. The wheelbase seems pushed out slightly further than Indy with this modification , but the pop feels virtually the same.

I think it’s because the square part of the top of the baseplate that the kingpin comes out of on Indy’s is significantly higher than that of Krux, so it pushes the Krux hanger forward slightly and elevates the back of the hanger which seems to give it a deeper turning radius. It seems like, when you press the wheel into the wheel well, that this Indy baseplate makes the wheel arc towards the center of the deck more than the Krux baseplate which seems to keep a straighter line to the wheel well when pressing the wheel down.

Anyway, I would not buy Krux with this modification in mind, but if you end up with a pair and want to screw around with them rather than letting them go to waste, this seems to help the turning problem.

I haven’t ridden them long enough to say for sure, but it doesn’t seem like this modification would put weird stresses on the truck that would make it break more easily either.
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I can definitely see this being the case. A mate of mine was running the opposite - Krux baseplate and kingpin, Indy 159 hangar. Did the opposite of what you described, made the turn more linear. I hated it but he seemed to think it was worth it for the downlow kingpin.

Interesting to know though - I do like how Krux hangars look but they turn like dog shit
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Interesting! Yeah, that turn felt awful to me, I can’t imagine seeking that out but then again I’m sure a lot of folks would hate the way I ride my set ups haha. It was really odd to have wobbly loose trucks that barely turned. Never felt that in a truck before and it kind of felt like they were broken, like they weren’t doing what they were supposed to. The hangers do look cool and I like the king pin clearance even with the Indy kp. I’ll probably try and see if the Krux inverted kp fits in my thunders at some point to see if I can get some Smith grinds on those finally.
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not worth it if you like to skate wobbly loose. the kingpin not being fixed in place delays the turn ever so slightly. subtle, but kind of annoying from my experience. even if you use epoxy to hold the nut still, the kingpin isn't long enough to engage the nylon on the nut. you'd have to crank 'em tight. although you could use threadlocker... i advise against them, but i guess you'll have to see for yourself

the krux inverted kingpins did their job, but it's not the same without the grind of the kingpin nut on a smith. it felt too smooth -- bleh. if you want kingpin clearance, don't go with thunders

I love this shit, that’s so interesting about the looseness of the kingpin delaying the turn. Do you think shaving down the bushings could help with the problem of the length of the kingpin? I shave my top bushings anyway to keep the trucks loose without the nut falling off
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on December 26, 2019, 09:34:45 PM
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Ended up with a pair of Krux and in trying to ride them, I found that the turning radius isn’t nearly tight enough for me (I’m coming from riding thunders and Indy’s wobbly loose/almost wobbly loose) so I got to tinkering.

It turns out that if you put an Indy baseplate (keeping the Indy king pin and bushings so far) on a Krux hanger, you end up with an interesting mix of the qualities of both. They turn almost like Indy’s, keep the height that both trucks usually have, keep the lighter weight of the Krux hangar and also with the big king pin clearance of Krux. The wheelbase seems pushed out slightly further than Indy with this modification , but the pop feels virtually the same.

I think it’s because the square part of the top of the baseplate that the kingpin comes out of on Indy’s is significantly higher than that of Krux, so it pushes the Krux hanger forward slightly and elevates the back of the hanger which seems to give it a deeper turning radius. It seems like, when you press the wheel into the wheel well, that this Indy baseplate makes the wheel arc towards the center of the deck more than the Krux baseplate which seems to keep a straighter line to the wheel well when pressing the wheel down.

Anyway, I would not buy Krux with this modification in mind, but if you end up with a pair and want to screw around with them rather than letting them go to waste, this seems to help the turning problem.

I haven’t ridden them long enough to say for sure, but it doesn’t seem like this modification would put weird stresses on the truck that would make it break more easily either.
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I can definitely see this being the case. A mate of mine was running the opposite - Krux baseplate and kingpin, Indy 159 hangar. Did the opposite of what you described, made the turn more linear. I hated it but he seemed to think it was worth it for the downlow kingpin.

Interesting to know though - I do like how Krux hangars look but they turn like dog shit
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Interesting! Yeah, that turn felt awful to me, I can’t imagine seeking that out but then again I’m sure a lot of folks would hate the way I ride my set ups haha. It was really odd to have wobbly loose trucks that barely turned. Never felt that in a truck before and it kind of felt like they were broken, like they weren’t doing what they were supposed to. The hangers do look cool and I like the king pin clearance even with the Indy kp. I’ll probably try and see if the Krux inverted kp fits in my thunders at some point to see if I can get some Smith grinds on those finally.
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not worth it if you like to skate wobbly loose. the kingpin not being fixed in place delays the turn ever so slightly. subtle, but kind of annoying from my experience. even if you use epoxy to hold the nut still, the kingpin isn't long enough to engage the nylon on the nut. you'd have to crank 'em tight. although you could use threadlocker... i advise against them, but i guess you'll have to see for yourself

the krux inverted kingpins did their job, but it's not the same without the grind of the kingpin nut on a smith. it felt too smooth -- bleh. if you want kingpin clearance, don't go with thunders
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I love this shit, that’s so interesting about the looseness of the kingpin delaying the turn. Do you think shaving down the bushings could help with the problem of the length of the kingpin? I shave my top bushings anyway to keep the trucks loose without the nut falling off
yeah. on second thought, the last i tried them was with aces, which have a tall top bushing. it'll definitely work better with regular bushings sanded down
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 26, 2019, 09:46:23 PM
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Ended up with a pair of Krux and in trying to ride them, I found that the turning radius isn’t nearly tight enough for me (I’m coming from riding thunders and Indy’s wobbly loose/almost wobbly loose) so I got to tinkering.

It turns out that if you put an Indy baseplate (keeping the Indy king pin and bushings so far) on a Krux hanger, you end up with an interesting mix of the qualities of both. They turn almost like Indy’s, keep the height that both trucks usually have, keep the lighter weight of the Krux hangar and also with the big king pin clearance of Krux. The wheelbase seems pushed out slightly further than Indy with this modification , but the pop feels virtually the same.

I think it’s because the square part of the top of the baseplate that the kingpin comes out of on Indy’s is significantly higher than that of Krux, so it pushes the Krux hanger forward slightly and elevates the back of the hanger which seems to give it a deeper turning radius. It seems like, when you press the wheel into the wheel well, that this Indy baseplate makes the wheel arc towards the center of the deck more than the Krux baseplate which seems to keep a straighter line to the wheel well when pressing the wheel down.

Anyway, I would not buy Krux with this modification in mind, but if you end up with a pair and want to screw around with them rather than letting them go to waste, this seems to help the turning problem.

I haven’t ridden them long enough to say for sure, but it doesn’t seem like this modification would put weird stresses on the truck that would make it break more easily either.
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I can definitely see this being the case. A mate of mine was running the opposite - Krux baseplate and kingpin, Indy 159 hangar. Did the opposite of what you described, made the turn more linear. I hated it but he seemed to think it was worth it for the downlow kingpin.

Interesting to know though - I do like how Krux hangars look but they turn like dog shit
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Interesting! Yeah, that turn felt awful to me, I can’t imagine seeking that out but then again I’m sure a lot of folks would hate the way I ride my set ups haha. It was really odd to have wobbly loose trucks that barely turned. Never felt that in a truck before and it kind of felt like they were broken, like they weren’t doing what they were supposed to. The hangers do look cool and I like the king pin clearance even with the Indy kp. I’ll probably try and see if the Krux inverted kp fits in my thunders at some point to see if I can get some Smith grinds on those finally.
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not worth it if you like to skate wobbly loose. the kingpin not being fixed in place delays the turn ever so slightly. subtle, but kind of annoying from my experience. even if you use epoxy to hold the nut still, the kingpin isn't long enough to engage the nylon on the nut. you'd have to crank 'em tight. although you could use threadlocker... i advise against them, but i guess you'll have to see for yourself

the krux inverted kingpins did their job, but it's not the same without the grind of the kingpin nut on a smith. it felt too smooth -- bleh. if you want kingpin clearance, don't go with thunders
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I love this shit, that’s so interesting about the looseness of the kingpin delaying the turn. Do you think shaving down the bushings could help with the problem of the length of the kingpin? I shave my top bushings anyway to keep the trucks loose without the nut falling off
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yeah. on second thought, the last i tried them was with aces, which have a tall top bushing. it'll definitely work better with regular bushings sanded down

Nice, I have a set of those grind kind inverted kingpins laying around too, I wonder if those are any longer and would work better with Aces like you mentioned, or if those are too short as well. I’ll try it out when I get the chance and post results
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on December 26, 2019, 10:30:28 PM
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Ended up with a pair of Krux and in trying to ride them, I found that the turning radius isn’t nearly tight enough for me (I’m coming from riding thunders and Indy’s wobbly loose/almost wobbly loose) so I got to tinkering.

It turns out that if you put an Indy baseplate (keeping the Indy king pin and bushings so far) on a Krux hanger, you end up with an interesting mix of the qualities of both. They turn almost like Indy’s, keep the height that both trucks usually have, keep the lighter weight of the Krux hangar and also with the big king pin clearance of Krux. The wheelbase seems pushed out slightly further than Indy with this modification , but the pop feels virtually the same.

I think it’s because the square part of the top of the baseplate that the kingpin comes out of on Indy’s is significantly higher than that of Krux, so it pushes the Krux hanger forward slightly and elevates the back of the hanger which seems to give it a deeper turning radius. It seems like, when you press the wheel into the wheel well, that this Indy baseplate makes the wheel arc towards the center of the deck more than the Krux baseplate which seems to keep a straighter line to the wheel well when pressing the wheel down.

Anyway, I would not buy Krux with this modification in mind, but if you end up with a pair and want to screw around with them rather than letting them go to waste, this seems to help the turning problem.

I haven’t ridden them long enough to say for sure, but it doesn’t seem like this modification would put weird stresses on the truck that would make it break more easily either.
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I can definitely see this being the case. A mate of mine was running the opposite - Krux baseplate and kingpin, Indy 159 hangar. Did the opposite of what you described, made the turn more linear. I hated it but he seemed to think it was worth it for the downlow kingpin.

Interesting to know though - I do like how Krux hangars look but they turn like dog shit
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Interesting! Yeah, that turn felt awful to me, I can’t imagine seeking that out but then again I’m sure a lot of folks would hate the way I ride my set ups haha. It was really odd to have wobbly loose trucks that barely turned. Never felt that in a truck before and it kind of felt like they were broken, like they weren’t doing what they were supposed to. The hangers do look cool and I like the king pin clearance even with the Indy kp. I’ll probably try and see if the Krux inverted kp fits in my thunders at some point to see if I can get some Smith grinds on those finally.
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not worth it if you like to skate wobbly loose. the kingpin not being fixed in place delays the turn ever so slightly. subtle, but kind of annoying from my experience. even if you use epoxy to hold the nut still, the kingpin isn't long enough to engage the nylon on the nut. you'd have to crank 'em tight. although you could use threadlocker... i advise against them, but i guess you'll have to see for yourself

the krux inverted kingpins did their job, but it's not the same without the grind of the kingpin nut on a smith. it felt too smooth -- bleh. if you want kingpin clearance, don't go with thunders
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I love this shit, that’s so interesting about the looseness of the kingpin delaying the turn. Do you think shaving down the bushings could help with the problem of the length of the kingpin? I shave my top bushings anyway to keep the trucks loose without the nut falling off
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yeah. on second thought, the last i tried them was with aces, which have a tall top bushing. it'll definitely work better with regular bushings sanded down
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Nice, I have a set of those grind kind inverted kingpins laying around too, I wonder if those are any longer and would work better with Aces like you mentioned, or if those are too short as well. I’ll try it out when I get the chance and post results

Also have a pair of GK pins i've been meaning to put in something, is there a tutorial or anything out there? I had a little play around but it involved taking the truck off to adjust - fuck that
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sammyz on December 26, 2019, 11:53:53 PM
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This is probably a dumb question, but would there be any issues of using an 149 baseplate on a 159 hanger? Im assuming not...but thought the more educated amongst you would know.
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No problems at all. Only difference is it won't be 6 hole, which literally doesn't matter.

Thanks man. I was gonna try it out as i have forged hollow 149 and hollow 159...so wanted to save money and make my own set of forged hollow. Seems like it would be a good option then.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 27, 2019, 04:31:40 AM
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Ended up with a pair of Krux and in trying to ride them, I found that the turning radius isn’t nearly tight enough for me (I’m coming from riding thunders and Indy’s wobbly loose/almost wobbly loose) so I got to tinkering.

It turns out that if you put an Indy baseplate (keeping the Indy king pin and bushings so far) on a Krux hanger, you end up with an interesting mix of the qualities of both. They turn almost like Indy’s, keep the height that both trucks usually have, keep the lighter weight of the Krux hangar and also with the big king pin clearance of Krux. The wheelbase seems pushed out slightly further than Indy with this modification , but the pop feels virtually the same.

I think it’s because the square part of the top of the baseplate that the kingpin comes out of on Indy’s is significantly higher than that of Krux, so it pushes the Krux hanger forward slightly and elevates the back of the hanger which seems to give it a deeper turning radius. It seems like, when you press the wheel into the wheel well, that this Indy baseplate makes the wheel arc towards the center of the deck more than the Krux baseplate which seems to keep a straighter line to the wheel well when pressing the wheel down.

Anyway, I would not buy Krux with this modification in mind, but if you end up with a pair and want to screw around with them rather than letting them go to waste, this seems to help the turning problem.

I haven’t ridden them long enough to say for sure, but it doesn’t seem like this modification would put weird stresses on the truck that would make it break more easily either.
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I can definitely see this being the case. A mate of mine was running the opposite - Krux baseplate and kingpin, Indy 159 hangar. Did the opposite of what you described, made the turn more linear. I hated it but he seemed to think it was worth it for the downlow kingpin.

Interesting to know though - I do like how Krux hangars look but they turn like dog shit
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Interesting! Yeah, that turn felt awful to me, I can’t imagine seeking that out but then again I’m sure a lot of folks would hate the way I ride my set ups haha. It was really odd to have wobbly loose trucks that barely turned. Never felt that in a truck before and it kind of felt like they were broken, like they weren’t doing what they were supposed to. The hangers do look cool and I like the king pin clearance even with the Indy kp. I’ll probably try and see if the Krux inverted kp fits in my thunders at some point to see if I can get some Smith grinds on those finally.
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not worth it if you like to skate wobbly loose. the kingpin not being fixed in place delays the turn ever so slightly. subtle, but kind of annoying from my experience. even if you use epoxy to hold the nut still, the kingpin isn't long enough to engage the nylon on the nut. you'd have to crank 'em tight. although you could use threadlocker... i advise against them, but i guess you'll have to see for yourself

the krux inverted kingpins did their job, but it's not the same without the grind of the kingpin nut on a smith. it felt too smooth -- bleh. if you want kingpin clearance, don't go with thunders
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I love this shit, that’s so interesting about the looseness of the kingpin delaying the turn. Do you think shaving down the bushings could help with the problem of the length of the kingpin? I shave my top bushings anyway to keep the trucks loose without the nut falling off
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yeah. on second thought, the last i tried them was with aces, which have a tall top bushing. it'll definitely work better with regular bushings sanded down
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Nice, I have a set of those grind kind inverted kingpins laying around too, I wonder if those are any longer and would work better with Aces like you mentioned, or if those are too short as well. I’ll try it out when I get the chance and post results
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Also have a pair of GK pins i've been meaning to put in something, is there a tutorial or anything out there? I had a little play around but it involved taking the truck off to adjust - fuck that

I haven’t seen a tutorial, but if any pop up I’ll send them your way!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TastyBurrito on December 27, 2019, 03:00:25 PM
I’m riding Thunder 148’s right now, but my wife got me an 8.5” board for Christmas. Will my 148’s be too small/squirrely for that size board? Or should I be sizing up to 149’s?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on December 27, 2019, 04:23:38 PM
Quote from: TastyBurrito on December 27, 2019, 03:00:25 PM
I’m riding Thunder 148’s right now, but my wife got me an 8.5” board for Christmas. Will my 148’s be too small/squirrely for that size board? Or should I be sizing up to 149’s?
If I were you keep the 8.5 and see if you like it, then you can size up the trucks. You don't want to get 149's if you're not going to be happy with an 8.5 board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on December 27, 2019, 04:32:54 PM
Selling my new thunder 147s and 149s on eBay. Sold my venture 5.0 and 5.25s on there. Forcing the ownership of only Indys. The madness must stop
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on December 27, 2019, 04:41:17 PM
Quote from: fang on December 27, 2019, 04:32:54 PM
Selling my new thunder 147s and 149s on eBay. Sold my venture 5.0 and 5.25s on there. Forcing the ownership of only Indys. The madness must stop
You know it won't :(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on December 27, 2019, 05:22:48 PM
Really?
No one's touching this?
I thought at least someone here would be interesting in geeking on the math

Quote from: satan on December 25, 2019, 05:16:21 PM
(http://www.peterverdone.com/wiki/images/a/a1/Skategeometry.jpg)

Anyone seen this?
It's easy to eyeball and compare if you have the trucks in hand but I think getting accurate measurements would be frustrating
You wanna imagine a line going thru the center of the pivot nub/cup and where the hanger pivots on the bottom (baseplate side) bushing. I try to guess where the top of the bushing would intersect the center of the kingpin
Then for offset you're eyeballing off that imaginary line. Roll center might be worth noting too
Try to explain that to the guy at Zumiez


http://www.peterverdone.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_skateboards_turn
Some math here


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/htmlview
And some measurements here
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on December 27, 2019, 06:43:17 PM
Quote from: fang on December 27, 2019, 04:32:54 PM
Selling my new thunder 147s and 149s on eBay. Sold my venture 5.0 and 5.25s on there. Forcing the ownership of only Indys. The madness must stop

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/OnZM1DxiB6xAA/giphy.gif?cid=4d1e4f29553a5578f1c452135e211c06269ea30c34dc03db&rid=giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on December 27, 2019, 07:28:19 PM
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Selling my new thunder 147s and 149s on eBay. Sold my venture 5.0 and 5.25s on there. Forcing the ownership of only Indys. The madness must stop
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God speed my friend.

Decided to remove the riser pads off my Thunder 147 and setup felt a lot more under control. My board was feeling a little too poppy and removing the couple of millimeters of height helped give my pop more control.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 27, 2019, 07:41:37 PM
Quote from: moonordie on December 27, 2019, 04:41:17 PM
Quote from: fang on December 27, 2019, 04:32:54 PM
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Selling my new thunder 147s and 149s on eBay. Sold my venture 5.0 and 5.25s on there. Forcing the ownership of only Indys. The madness must stop
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You know it won't :(

Gonna get that itch and buy some more thunders watch ;)

I say this because I know...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on December 27, 2019, 07:52:12 PM
So I skated Thunders for a long time but never liked how the wheels catch on nose\tailslides so I recently tried ventures and have been having success. But out of curiosity i've been thinking about trying Thunder hangers in the venture baseplates just because I like how they look more. Has anyone else tried it before?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 27, 2019, 07:58:29 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 27, 2019, 07:41:37 PM
Quote from: moonordie on December 27, 2019, 04:41:17 PM
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Quote from: fang on December 27, 2019, 04:32:54 PM
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Selling my new thunder 147s and 149s on eBay. Sold my venture 5.0 and 5.25s on there. Forcing the ownership of only Indys. The madness must stop
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You know it won't :(
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Gonna get that itch and buy some more thunders watch ;)

I say this because I know...

Dude. For sure. Me: nah man, I hate Indy’s, five away hollow Indy 139s....buy them 8 months later. I do this so much. I always give shit away. Which is good, but then I always want it back. Which is weird.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on December 27, 2019, 08:03:17 PM
Quote from: Paperclip20 on December 27, 2019, 07:52:12 PM
So I skated Thunders for a long time but never liked how the wheels catch on nose\tailslides so I recently tried ventures and have been having success. But out of curiosity i've been thinking about trying Thunder hangers in the venture baseplates just because I like how they look more. Has anyone else tried it before?

Do it and report back. I put tensor atg hangers in venture forged baseplates a month or two ago for shits and it became a really low truck lol, turned decent but got wheelbite way too easy because it was so low.

Surprisingly it made a lot of flip tricks easier for somehow, mostly kickies, sw and nollie heels. I think due to the reduced height and weight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on December 27, 2019, 08:27:44 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on December 27, 2019, 08:03:17 PM
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So I skated Thunders for a long time but never liked how the wheels catch on nose\tailslides so I recently tried ventures and have been having success. But out of curiosity i've been thinking about trying Thunder hangers in the venture baseplates just because I like how they look more. Has anyone else tried it before?
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Do it and report back. I put tensor atg hangers in venture forged baseplates a month or two ago for shits and it became a really low truck lol, turned decent but got wheelbite way too easy because it was so low.

Surprisingly it made a lot of flip tricks easier for somehow, mostly kickies, sw and nollie heels. I think due to the reduced height and weight.

I'm thinking about trying it the next warm day. Just from setting it up it looks like it almost works but the venture kingpin has more angle so the Thunder hanger doesn't sit flat on the bottom bushing, might still have to try it though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on December 28, 2019, 12:30:30 AM
I need Venture 6.1 reviews ASAP please. They just look so damn good. How are they compared to Indy 159?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on December 28, 2019, 02:47:05 AM
Quote from: Ok on December 27, 2019, 07:58:29 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 27, 2019, 07:41:37 PM
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Selling my new thunder 147s and 149s on eBay. Sold my venture 5.0 and 5.25s on there. Forcing the ownership of only Indys. The madness must stop
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You know it won't :(
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Gonna get that itch and buy some more thunders watch ;)

I say this because I know...
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Dude. For sure. Me: nah man, I hate Indy’s, five away hollow Indy 139s....buy them 8 months later. I do this so much. I always give shit away. Which is good, but then I always want it back. Which is weird.
Not weird at all, happened to me so many times...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on December 28, 2019, 03:47:16 AM
Anyone have input on Tensor Mag Lights in 5.25? Ridden Thunder 147 / 148 and Indy 139. Need input on what they do to WB and overall pop feel.

Thanks and Shalom.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 7th Chamber on December 28, 2019, 03:56:44 AM
Quote from: texasplant on December 28, 2019, 12:30:30 AM
I need Venture 6.1 reviews ASAP please. They just look so damn good. How are they compared to Indy 159?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv9uKBBIzeY&t=261s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on December 28, 2019, 05:34:47 AM
Quote from: 7th Chamber on December 28, 2019, 03:56:44 AM
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I need Venture 6.1 reviews ASAP please. They just look so damn good. How are they compared to Indy 159?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv9uKBBIzeY&t=261s
yeah, solid positive review. The slow grind is a bit of a bummer. And haven’t heard anyone else mention the cockeyed-bushing/stuck position dealbreaker Ben mentions toward the end.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 28, 2019, 08:58:56 AM
Quote from: jay_nev on December 28, 2019, 05:34:47 AM
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I need Venture 6.1 reviews ASAP please. They just look so damn good. How are they compared to Indy 159?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv9uKBBIzeY&t=261s
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yeah, solid positive review. The slow grind is a bit of a bummer. And haven’t heard anyone else mention the cockeyed-bushing/stuck position dealbreaker Ben mentions toward the end.

This review was wack to me, and I really like his channel: he seemed to conclude that the bushings didn’t work for him. The trucks got stuck in perms lean.
The next review he did was for the grind king disruptor....he concluded that after modifying the fuck out of them they were good.....
I’m good with venture stock bushings. But ventures, more than any other truck in my experience, can benefit from bones hardcore bushings. I also like to remove the top washer, as I’ve experienced some binding issues.
I have a bias to liking venture. I just like the brand. I also like the pop.
Watching some of Ben’s reviews on venture, he seems to skate really well on the trucks, and then conclude that he likes thunder and Indy more at the end. All good. I’m the same way (MINUS THE WAY HE FUCKING RIPS), just different conclusion.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on December 28, 2019, 09:21:11 AM
I was surprised he didn’t mess w the washers or bushings at all too. Like he kinda just gave up even tho he said he skated really well on em.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on December 28, 2019, 10:02:27 AM
Quote from: TastyBurrito on December 27, 2019, 03:00:25 PM
I’m riding Thunder 148’s right now, but my wife got me an 8.5” board for Christmas. Will my 148’s be too small/squirrely for that size board? Or should I be sizing up to 149’s?

You will be fine. Give it a shot and if it really bothers you size up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on December 28, 2019, 10:54:42 AM
Quote from: jay_nev on December 28, 2019, 09:21:11 AM
I was surprised he didn’t mess w the washers or bushings at all too. Like he kinda just gave up even tho he said he skated really well on em.

That's like salting your food before you even taste it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on December 28, 2019, 12:20:52 PM
Quote from: layzieyez on December 28, 2019, 10:54:42 AM
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I was surprised he didn’t mess w the washers or bushings at all too. Like he kinda just gave up even tho he said he skated really well on em.
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That's like salting your food before you even taste it.
after he rode them for a while - and before he gave the review. Like @Ok said prior he fiddled with the GK in the other truck review
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 28, 2019, 12:43:45 PM
Quote from: layzieyez on December 28, 2019, 10:54:42 AM
Quote from: jay_nev on December 28, 2019, 09:21:11 AM
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I was surprised he didn’t mess w the washers or bushings at all too. Like he kinda just gave up even tho he said he skated really well on em.
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That's like salting your food before you even taste it.

Totally agree. Got to give the trucks/bushings/pivot cups some time before witchcraft commences.
 Just thought it was weird that the next review was so positive, after a total truck overhaul.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 28, 2019, 01:32:53 PM
My venture witch craft was to replace the top washer with the bones washer and slap in some ACE Hi bottoms+ACE Lo Tops. Made them very surfy, no binding. Later I threw in a beatup riptide indy cup, made it even nicer.the stock venture cups are really snug new (like any truck).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on December 28, 2019, 02:24:29 PM
Watching ebay bids on my 147s like:

http://youtu.be/nSz16ngdsG0
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on December 28, 2019, 02:31:48 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 28, 2019, 01:32:53 PM
My venture witch craft was to replace the top washer with the bones washer and slap in some ACE Hi bottoms+ACE Lo Tops. Made them very surfy, no binding. Later I threw in a beatup riptide indy cup, made it even nicer.the stock venture cups are really snug new (like any truck).

I also used the bones washer on top but with stock bushings and I think it was a big improvement.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 28, 2019, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on December 28, 2019, 03:47:16 AM
Anyone have input on Tensor Mag Lights in 5.25? Ridden Thunder 147 / 148 and Indy 139. Need input on what they do to WB and overall pop feel.

Thanks and Shalom.

I'm riding 5.5 Mag Lights. To me, they feel like Thunders but without wheelbite (as they are taller), have a longer baseplate (slides).

They push the wheelbase out around the same as thunders (haven't actually measured/compared to thunders) but I have to ACEs and Ventures on the same deck and they push out more than ACE and less than Ventures (so somewhere in the middle but closer to Ventures.

Pop and turn feel like Thunders (if not just a tad more carve). They are very responsive (I'm using bones softs and bones washers top and bottom).

Tensor gets a bad rap but the ATGs are a serious truck. And the mags grind for days.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on December 28, 2019, 04:15:30 PM
ATGs are solid
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 28, 2019, 04:50:41 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 28, 2019, 01:32:53 PM
My venture witch craft was to replace the top washer with the bones washer and slap in some ACE Hi bottoms+ACE Lo Tops. Made them very surfy, no binding. Later I threw in a beatup riptide indy cup, made it even nicer.the stock venture cups are really snug new (like any truck).

This sounds like a hot set up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on December 28, 2019, 11:23:28 PM
like aces everyone to be patient with their ventures and keep them stock if you just got them and they're underwhelming. they do get turny if you give those fuckers time to break in. I'm spoiled from just putting Indys on my board and having turny trucks the last 10 years so it took me a minute to adjust to breaking in trucks but they do get good on their own. to expedite the process have a homie that's heavier than you stand on your board and rock the trucks back and forth, helps immensely. I know this is the truck setup thread but they'll never be Indys, even if they kinda feel like stage 10s with better pop. the washers definitely bind but once they groove into the hangar it seems to free them up a bit. they went from being some of the stiffest trucks I've ever tried to nice slow deep turning trucks. kinda love them.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on December 28, 2019, 11:46:05 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 28, 2019, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on December 28, 2019, 03:47:16 AM
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Anyone have input on Tensor Mag Lights in 5.25? Ridden Thunder 147 / 148 and Indy 139. Need input on what they do to WB and overall pop feel.

Thanks and Shalom.
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I'm riding 5.5 Mag Lights. To me, they feel like Thunders but without wheelbite (as they are taller), have a longer baseplate (slides).

They push the wheelbase out around the same as thunders (haven't actually measured/compared to thunders) but I have to ACEs and Ventures on the same deck and they push out more than ACE and less than Ventures (so somewhere in the middle but closer to Ventures.

Pop and turn feel like Thunders (if not just a tad more carve). They are very responsive (I'm using bones softs and bones washers top and bottom).

Tensor gets a bad rap but the ATGs are a serious truck. And the mags grind for days.

I have noticed that on some metal they grind way slower than a normal aluminium truck, though its quite rare. Definitely worth it for how good they mash through rough concrete though. Put mine on ice for now because even though they feel really nice and turn better than my Ventures, I just find myself landing my tricks more consistently on the ventures as of lately.

100% agree with your take on how they turn and feel, though I have some reservations about the durability compared to a normal truck (and not just how quick they grind down).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 29, 2019, 01:38:47 AM
Quote from: Weezil on December 28, 2019, 11:23:28 PM
like aces everyone to be patient with their ventures and keep them stock if you just got them and they're underwhelming. they do get turny if you give those fuckers time to break in. I'm spoiled from just putting Indys on my board and having turny trucks the last 10 years so it took me a minute to adjust to breaking in trucks but they do get good on their own. to expedite the process have a homie that's heavier than you stand on your board and rock the trucks back and forth, helps immensely. I know this is the truck setup thread but they'll never be Indys, even if they kinda feel like stage 10s with better pop. the washers definitely bind but once they groove into the hangar it seems to free them up a bit. they went from being some of the stiffest trucks I've ever tried to nice slow deep turning trucks. kinda love them.

This. Took a very long time to break in. And the turning arc is bigger than an Indy/Ace, but you do get there... with a lot more stability, better pop, and lighter weight. I mean, all personal opinion of course. I'm not Shin Sanbongi carving insanely tight 3ft street quarters, wish I was, but I'm not. Ventures with my low impact, minor tech, kind of skating have helped things a lot. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on December 29, 2019, 02:45:59 AM
Quote from: Xen on December 28, 2019, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on December 28, 2019, 03:47:16 AM
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Anyone have input on Tensor Mag Lights in 5.25? Ridden Thunder 147 / 148 and Indy 139. Need input on what they do to WB and overall pop feel.

Thanks and Shalom.
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I'm riding 5.5 Mag Lights. To me, they feel like Thunders but without wheelbite (as they are taller), have a longer baseplate (slides).

They push the wheelbase out around the same as thunders (haven't actually measured/compared to thunders) but I have to ACEs and Ventures on the same deck and they push out more than ACE and less than Ventures (so somewhere in the middle but closer to Ventures.

Pop and turn feel like Thunders (if not just a tad more carve). They are very responsive (I'm using bones softs and bones washers top and bottom).

Tensor gets a bad rap but the ATGs are a serious truck. And the mags grind for days.

I think the old sliders just soured people and now they're stuck with this notion that tensor=bad. Also there's a lot of people who parrot shit without ever even trying the trucks ("Ventures don't turn").

The ATGs are the best Tensors in most respects, but I actually think the Tens ones are also better than most people think. That lower height is nice and I like the way they pop, it has a nice quick snap and gets you off the ground without much effort. I recently put a pair of the 8.125" axle (5.5?) on one of the new Scumco PS decks that's smaller than I typically ride and super short (8.125 x 31.13) and it's a blast. Super light, crazy pop, and really nimble but surprisingly stable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 29, 2019, 03:40:13 AM
anyone skate a shorter tail setup with ventures? looking to set up a deck with a 6.25 tail (2-2.5 fingers of flat), some polished 6.1s, and 52mm f4. what should i expect? crazy pop or wonky setup? have thunders if it is too much to deal with
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on December 29, 2019, 07:28:58 AM
Quote from: off on December 29, 2019, 03:40:13 AM
anyone skate a shorter tail setup with ventures? looking to set up a deck with a 6.25 tail (2-2.5 fingers of flat), some polished 6.1s, and 52mm f4. what should i expect? crazy pop or wonky setup? have thunders if it is too much to deal with

I rode a 7.75 x 31.2 x 14.2 Jart with Venture Lows (5.0) and I hated the setup. The short length coupled with the extended WB made the nose and tail feel too short and I was getting really bad ghost pop.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on December 29, 2019, 09:05:10 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6lmOO1hIKR/?igshid=9u3cxo1pbnhe

Foy setting up some 161s I wonder if he rode it and what board that is or just some marketing shots for IG giveaway. Looking 
like wheelbite w the spitfire 55mm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on December 29, 2019, 09:34:31 AM
Damn, those 161s look sexy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 29, 2019, 09:45:53 AM
did the hollow light pair of those release yet?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Woos on December 29, 2019, 03:19:38 PM
Any opinions on Bullet trucks?

I always thought they were super shit due to the price and how badly they turned when I’ve tried them.  I bought my brother a skateboard when he was 10 and since he was hardly interested in it yet I decided to buy the cheapest trucks that weren’t complete shit.  I found them to be good for beginners since they’re fairly low, light and very stable but the turning was so trash that I was a little upset I didn’t spend more money for some Thunders or Venture Lows.

Anyways so my brother’s board is trashed so I decided to revamp it. Clean the bearings, but him a new deck/grip, new hardware, etc.  I was considering new trucks but I had some spare Bones Bushings (Hard Top, Medium Bottom) so I have that a try first...

Guess what?  These things feel amazing, especially for the price.  They also offer a unique shape since they are low like Thunders, weigh the same as Thunders, with Bones bushings they turn very similarly to my Thunders with Bones bushings, and they have a smaller wheelbase like Indies and Aces have.

So basically if you’re looking for trucks similar to Thunders but your deck shape requires something with a smaller wheelbase you should consider these.  They’re unbearable with stock bushings but with Bones Hardcore Bushings they are actually really solid.  I personally wouldn’t ride them as my preferred shapes work best with Thunders or Aces depending on the board but these Bullets aren’t bad.

I’m very surprised.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on December 29, 2019, 05:05:07 PM
I used to have a pair like 9” wide, if I remember correctly. They were nice. Eventually blew out the base plate and Frankensteined the hell out of them with tensor low plates and 1/4” risers. Some of the best carve I have seen.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 29, 2019, 06:07:20 PM
It’s funny you guys are mentioning the bullets because I was curious about those and also the cheap Tensor Alloy trucks as well.

https://www.tactics.com/tensor/alloys-skateboard-trucks/raw-55

I’ve heard people mention that the Tensors use lower quality metals which may be more prone to breaking or bending than those used in more expensive trucks, but the Tensors also have a life time guarantee against damage and defect iirc,

All the wheelbase talk and some posts about the Mini logo trucks got me kind of curious about the less popular trucks and how they compare
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on December 29, 2019, 06:20:21 PM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on December 29, 2019, 06:07:20 PM
It’s funny you guys are mentioning the bullets because I was curious about those and also the cheap Tensor Alloy trucks as well.

https://www.tactics.com/tensor/alloys-skateboard-trucks/raw-55

I’ve heard people mention that the Tensors use lower quality metals which may be more prone to breaking or bending than those used in more expensive trucks, but the Tensors also have a life time guarantee against damage and defect iirc,

All the wheelbase talk and some posts about the Mini logo trucks got me kind of curious about the less popular trucks and how they compare

Someone should start a new thread on the less popular truck brands and how they compare outside the big 3 (or 4). Stuff that is still in production like Royal, Destructo, Silver, Ruckus, Bullet, Mini Logo, Orion, Grind King and Gullwing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 29, 2019, 06:23:27 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on December 29, 2019, 06:20:21 PM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on December 29, 2019, 06:07:20 PM
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It’s funny you guys are mentioning the bullets because I was curious about those and also the cheap Tensor Alloy trucks as well.

https://www.tactics.com/tensor/alloys-skateboard-trucks/raw-55

I’ve heard people mention that the Tensors use lower quality metals which may be more prone to breaking or bending than those used in more expensive trucks, but the Tensors also have a life time guarantee against damage and defect iirc,

All the wheelbase talk and some posts about the Mini logo trucks got me kind of curious about the less popular trucks and how they compare
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Someone should start a new thread on the less popular truck brands and how they compare outside the big 3 (or 4). Stuff that is still in production like Royal, Destructo, Silver, Ruckus, Bullet, Mini Logo, Orion, Grind King and Gullwing.

Good idea! I accept this mission
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on December 29, 2019, 06:46:36 PM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on December 29, 2019, 06:23:27 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on December 29, 2019, 06:20:21 PM
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Quote from: Sundaynuggets on December 29, 2019, 06:07:20 PM
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It’s funny you guys are mentioning the bullets because I was curious about those and also the cheap Tensor Alloy trucks as well.

https://www.tactics.com/tensor/alloys-skateboard-trucks/raw-55

I’ve heard people mention that the Tensors use lower quality metals which may be more prone to breaking or bending than those used in more expensive trucks, but the Tensors also have a life time guarantee against damage and defect iirc,

All the wheelbase talk and some posts about the Mini logo trucks got me kind of curious about the less popular trucks and how they compare
[close]

Someone should start a new thread on the less popular truck brands and how they compare outside the big 3 (or 4). Stuff that is still in production like Royal, Destructo, Silver, Ruckus, Bullet, Mini Logo, Orion, Grind King and Gullwing.
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Good idea! I accept this mission

You absolute mad lad. Now I feel compelled to go out and get a pair of these trucks to add to the review.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 29, 2019, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on December 29, 2019, 06:46:36 PM
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It’s funny you guys are mentioning the bullets because I was curious about those and also the cheap Tensor Alloy trucks as well.

https://www.tactics.com/tensor/alloys-skateboard-trucks/raw-55

I’ve heard people mention that the Tensors use lower quality metals which may be more prone to breaking or bending than those used in more expensive trucks, but the Tensors also have a life time guarantee against damage and defect iirc,

All the wheelbase talk and some posts about the Mini logo trucks got me kind of curious about the less popular trucks and how they compare
[close]

Someone should start a new thread on the less popular truck brands and how they compare outside the big 3 (or 4). Stuff that is still in production like Royal, Destructo, Silver, Ruckus, Bullet, Mini Logo, Orion, Grind King and Gullwing.
[close]

Good idea! I accept this mission
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You absolute mad lad. Now I feel compelled to go out and get a pair of these trucks to add to the review.

Hahaha, I ordered some of those Tensor alloys for my cruiser so I’ll post those when they arrive too. For $20 shipped it’s worth giving them a shot
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Woos on December 29, 2019, 11:59:03 PM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on December 29, 2019, 06:51:05 PM
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It’s funny you guys are mentioning the bullets because I was curious about those and also the cheap Tensor Alloy trucks as well.

https://www.tactics.com/tensor/alloys-skateboard-trucks/raw-55

I’ve heard people mention that the Tensors use lower quality metals which may be more prone to breaking or bending than those used in more expensive trucks, but the Tensors also have a life time guarantee against damage and defect iirc,

All the wheelbase talk and some posts about the Mini logo trucks got me kind of curious about the less popular trucks and how they compare
[close]

Someone should start a new thread on the less popular truck brands and how they compare outside the big 3 (or 4). Stuff that is still in production like Royal, Destructo, Silver, Ruckus, Bullet, Mini Logo, Orion, Grind King and Gullwing.
[close]

Good idea! I accept this mission
[close]

You absolute mad lad. Now I feel compelled to go out and get a pair of these trucks to add to the review.
[close]

Hahaha, I ordered some of those Tensor alloys for my cruiser so I’ll post those when they arrive too. For $20 shipped it’s worth giving them a shot

Wait... $20 shipped for a pair? Is that normal pricing?   I should check myself but I’m busy rewatching I Like It Here Inside My Mind and finishing off the leftover beer from Christmas.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 30, 2019, 07:58:11 AM
Quote from: Woos on December 29, 2019, 11:59:03 PM
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It’s funny you guys are mentioning the bullets because I was curious about those and also the cheap Tensor Alloy trucks as well.

https://www.tactics.com/tensor/alloys-skateboard-trucks/raw-55

I’ve heard people mention that the Tensors use lower quality metals which may be more prone to breaking or bending than those used in more expensive trucks, but the Tensors also have a life time guarantee against damage and defect iirc,

All the wheelbase talk and some posts about the Mini logo trucks got me kind of curious about the less popular trucks and how they compare
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Someone should start a new thread on the less popular truck brands and how they compare outside the big 3 (or 4). Stuff that is still in production like Royal, Destructo, Silver, Ruckus, Bullet, Mini Logo, Orion, Grind King and Gullwing.
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Good idea! I accept this mission
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You absolute mad lad. Now I feel compelled to go out and get a pair of these trucks to add to the review.
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Hahaha, I ordered some of those Tensor alloys for my cruiser so I’ll post those when they arrive too. For $20 shipped it’s worth giving them a shot
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Wait... $20 shipped for a pair? Is that normal pricing?   I should check myself but I’m busy rewatching I Like It Here Inside My Mind and finishing off the leftover beer from Christmas.

Yep! Not sure if they are still doing free shipping on Tactics or not but they were $20 shipped on there the other day and on eBay they are like $18/19 shipped for a pair. I’ve been eyeing them up for like six months because they were so cheap and the price hasn’t changed that I remember
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 30, 2019, 12:01:38 PM
I think there's enough knowledge in this thread the alternate trucks are: Theeve, Minilogo, Tensor....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 30, 2019, 12:56:44 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 30, 2019, 12:01:38 PM
I think there's enough knowledge in this thread the alternate trucks are: Theeve, Minilogo, Tensor....

kreeper is still the sleeper
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 30, 2019, 11:58:38 PM
Hey all,

Update to my original post of the big four wheelbase/truck measurements. Just snagged a set of Venture cast 5.8 so here's a new pic and info to go along with my original post. (used the same deck for measuring, 14.25" deck wheelbase). https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

Venture 5.8 cast. Board WB + 3.25"
(https://i.imgur.com/zt8bJmg.jpg)


Not going to lie, I didn't think it was going to be a full 1/4" smaller than the 5.8 forged. It's noticeably easier to get at the hardware under the hanger on the cast vs the forged.

Once my dipshit brother returns my digital callipers I'm going to do a post showing the measurements of all the top and bottom bushings of each truck, as well as some Bones aftermarkets so everyone can have a easy reference for the questions that keep getting asked here.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on December 31, 2019, 12:24:25 AM
Man, you guys keep teasing me with other truck brands!
Thought about these for a sec as a cheaper alternative to forged 159's. Same height/width, tiny bit heavier, $15 cheaper.
Interested to know how they feel and turn with orange aftermarket Indy barrels.
Degros review bummed me out cuz he said didn't grind as well as Indy. Let us know how they feel to you.

Try checking the bushing heights at multiple points around the diameter. Seems like most new bushings don't have a uniform thickness, they're not "square".
I try to get a similar drag on the calipers cuz you're always gonna squish the bushing a bit to get a good measurement.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on December 31, 2019, 02:25:10 AM
Quote from: palelight on December 30, 2019, 11:58:38 PM
Hey all,

Update to my original post of the big four wheelbase/truck measurements. Just snagged a set of Venture cast 5.8 so here's a new pic and info to go along with my original post. (used the same deck for measuring, 14.25" deck wheelbase). https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

Venture 5.8 cast. Board WB + 3.25"
(https://i.imgur.com/zt8bJmg.jpg)


Not going to lie, I didn't think it was going to be a full 1/4" smaller than the 5.8 forged. It's noticeably easier to get at the hardware under the hanger on the cast vs the forged.

Once my dipshit brother returns my digital callipers I'm going to do a post showing the measurements of all the top and bottom bushings of each truck, as well as some Bones aftermarkets so everyone can have a easy reference for the questions that keep getting asked here.

This is good shit! Props for taking measurements! 👍

We should start a truck data thread to gather all relevant data from all these different trucks. Finding just the actual widths of trucks seems awfully difficult for most brands.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 31, 2019, 02:41:37 AM
Quote from: Roisto on December 31, 2019, 02:25:10 AM
Quote from: palelight on December 30, 2019, 11:58:38 PM
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Hey all,

Update to my original post of the big four wheelbase/truck measurements. Just snagged a set of Venture cast 5.8 so here's a new pic and info to go along with my original post. (used the same deck for measuring, 14.25" deck wheelbase). https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

Venture 5.8 cast. Board WB + 3.25"


Not going to lie, I didn't think it was going to be a full 1/4" smaller than the 5.8 forged. It's noticeably easier to get at the hardware under the hanger on the cast vs the forged.

Once my dipshit brother returns my digital callipers I'm going to do a post showing the measurements of all the top and bottom bushings of each truck, as well as some Bones aftermarkets so everyone can have a easy reference for the questions that keep getting asked here.
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This is good shit! Props for taking measurements! 👍

We should start a truck data thread to gather all relevant data from all these different trucks. Finding just the actual widths of trucks seems awfully difficult for most brands.

Not a problem. And for sure, I was thinking about starting a new thread with just the data (once I get the bushing heights w/ pics) and hopefully getting it stickied. As you said, finding this info isn't the easiest and there's always new posters here asking.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on December 31, 2019, 03:17:40 AM
Quote from: palelight on December 31, 2019, 02:41:37 AM
Quote from: Roisto on December 31, 2019, 02:25:10 AM
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Hey all,

Update to my original post of the big four wheelbase/truck measurements. Just snagged a set of Venture cast 5.8 so here's a new pic and info to go along with my original post. (used the same deck for measuring, 14.25" deck wheelbase). https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

Venture 5.8 cast. Board WB + 3.25"


Not going to lie, I didn't think it was going to be a full 1/4" smaller than the 5.8 forged. It's noticeably easier to get at the hardware under the hanger on the cast vs the forged.

Once my dipshit brother returns my digital callipers I'm going to do a post showing the measurements of all the top and bottom bushings of each truck, as well as some Bones aftermarkets so everyone can have a easy reference for the questions that keep getting asked here.
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This is good shit! Props for taking measurements! 👍

We should start a truck data thread to gather all relevant data from all these different trucks. Finding just the actual widths of trucks seems awfully difficult for most brands.
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Not a problem. And for sure, I was thinking about starting a new thread with just the data (once I get the bushing heights w/ pics) and hopefully getting it stickied. As you said, finding this info isn't the easiest and there's always new posters here asking.
That would be awesome
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on December 31, 2019, 03:46:38 AM
Quote from: moonordie on December 31, 2019, 03:17:40 AM
Quote from: palelight on December 31, 2019, 02:41:37 AM
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Quote from: palelight on December 30, 2019, 11:58:38 PM
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Hey all,

Update to my original post of the big four wheelbase/truck measurements. Just snagged a set of Venture cast 5.8 so here's a new pic and info to go along with my original post. (used the same deck for measuring, 14.25" deck wheelbase). https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

Venture 5.8 cast. Board WB + 3.25"


Not going to lie, I didn't think it was going to be a full 1/4" smaller than the 5.8 forged. It's noticeably easier to get at the hardware under the hanger on the cast vs the forged.

Once my dipshit brother returns my digital callipers I'm going to do a post showing the measurements of all the top and bottom bushings of each truck, as well as some Bones aftermarkets so everyone can have a easy reference for the questions that keep getting asked here.
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This is good shit! Props for taking measurements! 👍

We should start a truck data thread to gather all relevant data from all these different trucks. Finding just the actual widths of trucks seems awfully difficult for most brands.
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Not a problem. And for sure, I was thinking about starting a new thread with just the data (once I get the bushing heights w/ pics) and hopefully getting it stickied. As you said, finding this info isn't the easiest and there's always new posters here asking.
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That would be awesome

Yes! Please do! Making the measurement principles clear enough so everyone can chip in with their measurements from the trucks they have around would be great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on December 31, 2019, 03:53:34 AM
Quote from: Roisto on December 31, 2019, 03:46:38 AM
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Hey all,

Update to my original post of the big four wheelbase/truck measurements. Just snagged a set of Venture cast 5.8 so here's a new pic and info to go along with my original post. (used the same deck for measuring, 14.25" deck wheelbase). https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

Venture 5.8 cast. Board WB + 3.25"


Not going to lie, I didn't think it was going to be a full 1/4" smaller than the 5.8 forged. It's noticeably easier to get at the hardware under the hanger on the cast vs the forged.

Once my dipshit brother returns my digital callipers I'm going to do a post showing the measurements of all the top and bottom bushings of each truck, as well as some Bones aftermarkets so everyone can have a easy reference for the questions that keep getting asked here.
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This is good shit! Props for taking measurements! 👍

We should start a truck data thread to gather all relevant data from all these different trucks. Finding just the actual widths of trucks seems awfully difficult for most brands.
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Not a problem. And for sure, I was thinking about starting a new thread with just the data (once I get the bushing heights w/ pics) and hopefully getting it stickied. As you said, finding this info isn't the easiest and there's always new posters here asking.
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That would be awesome
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Yes! Please do! Making the measurement principles clear enough so everyone can chip in with their measurements from the trucks they have around would be great.
As soon I get my ass out of bed I'll check the measurements of Tensor ATG and Krux.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: In A Jar on December 31, 2019, 07:54:23 AM
Anyone know if Ace bushings stiffen up in below freezing temps? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on December 31, 2019, 07:55:41 AM
Quote from: In A Jar on December 31, 2019, 07:54:23 AM
Anyone know if Ace bushings stiffen up in below freezing temps?
Any bushing will stiff up with cold no?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: In A Jar on December 31, 2019, 07:59:37 AM
Quote from: moonordie on December 31, 2019, 07:55:41 AM
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Anyone know if Ace bushings stiffen up in below freezing temps?
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Any bushing will stiff up with cold no?

Well yes, but some less than others in my experience.  Bones don't stiffen up too much.  Stock Thunder/Venture turn to rocks when they get cold. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 31, 2019, 08:43:20 AM
Quote from: Roisto on December 31, 2019, 03:46:38 AM
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Hey all,

Update to my original post of the big four wheelbase/truck measurements. Just snagged a set of Venture cast 5.8 so here's a new pic and info to go along with my original post. (used the same deck for measuring, 14.25" deck wheelbase). https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

Venture 5.8 cast. Board WB + 3.25"


Not going to lie, I didn't think it was going to be a full 1/4" smaller than the 5.8 forged. It's noticeably easier to get at the hardware under the hanger on the cast vs the forged.

Once my dipshit brother returns my digital callipers I'm going to do a post showing the measurements of all the top and bottom bushings of each truck, as well as some Bones aftermarkets so everyone can have a easy reference for the questions that keep getting asked here.
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This is good shit! Props for taking measurements! 👍

We should start a truck data thread to gather all relevant data from all these different trucks. Finding just the actual widths of trucks seems awfully difficult for most brands.
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Not a problem. And for sure, I was thinking about starting a new thread with just the data (once I get the bushing heights w/ pics) and hopefully getting it stickied. As you said, finding this info isn't the easiest and there's always new posters here asking.
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That would be awesome
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Yes! Please do! Making the measurement principles clear enough so everyone can chip in with their measurements from the trucks they have around would be great.

I'm still not getting where upwards of 2-3" is being added to the WB...are we talking the stretch from deck center and dividing by 2 (3" total push with 1.5" for each truck from center)?

(https://images2.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED28/52111c5397209.jpeg)


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 31, 2019, 08:44:34 AM
Quote from: In A Jar on December 31, 2019, 07:59:37 AM
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Anyone know if Ace bushings stiffen up in below freezing temps?
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Any bushing will stiff up with cold no?
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Well yes, but some less than others in my experience.  Bones don't stiffen up too much.  Stock Thunder/Venture turn to rocks when they get cold.

Quick we need a bushing temperature scale resistance thread STAT!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 31, 2019, 09:02:49 AM
Quote from: Xen on December 31, 2019, 08:43:20 AM
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Quote from: palelight on December 30, 2019, 11:58:38 PM
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Hey all,

Update to my original post of the big four wheelbase/truck measurements. Just snagged a set of Venture cast 5.8 so here's a new pic and info to go along with my original post. (used the same deck for measuring, 14.25" deck wheelbase). https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

Venture 5.8 cast. Board WB + 3.25"


Not going to lie, I didn't think it was going to be a full 1/4" smaller than the 5.8 forged. It's noticeably easier to get at the hardware under the hanger on the cast vs the forged.

Once my dipshit brother returns my digital callipers I'm going to do a post showing the measurements of all the top and bottom bushings of each truck, as well as some Bones aftermarkets so everyone can have a easy reference for the questions that keep getting asked here.
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This is good shit! Props for taking measurements! 👍

We should start a truck data thread to gather all relevant data from all these different trucks. Finding just the actual widths of trucks seems awfully difficult for most brands.
[close]

Not a problem. And for sure, I was thinking about starting a new thread with just the data (once I get the bushing heights w/ pics) and hopefully getting it stickied. As you said, finding this info isn't the easiest and there's always new posters here asking.
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That would be awesome
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Yes! Please do! Making the measurement principles clear enough so everyone can chip in with their measurements from the trucks they have around would be great.
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I'm still not getting where upwards of 2-3" is being added to the WB...are we talking the stretch from deck center and dividing by 2 (3" total push with 1.5" for each truck from center)?

(https://images2.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED28/52111c5397209.jpeg)

True wheelbase: axle to axle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 31, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 31, 2019, 08:43:20 AM
Quote from: Roisto on December 31, 2019, 03:46:38 AM
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Quote from: palelight on December 30, 2019, 11:58:38 PM
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Hey all,

Update to my original post of the big four wheelbase/truck measurements. Just snagged a set of Venture cast 5.8 so here's a new pic and info to go along with my original post. (used the same deck for measuring, 14.25" deck wheelbase). https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

Venture 5.8 cast. Board WB + 3.25"


Not going to lie, I didn't think it was going to be a full 1/4" smaller than the 5.8 forged. It's noticeably easier to get at the hardware under the hanger on the cast vs the forged.

Once my dipshit brother returns my digital callipers I'm going to do a post showing the measurements of all the top and bottom bushings of each truck, as well as some Bones aftermarkets so everyone can have a easy reference for the questions that keep getting asked here.
[close]

This is good shit! Props for taking measurements! 👍

We should start a truck data thread to gather all relevant data from all these different trucks. Finding just the actual widths of trucks seems awfully difficult for most brands.
[close]

Not a problem. And for sure, I was thinking about starting a new thread with just the data (once I get the bushing heights w/ pics) and hopefully getting it stickied. As you said, finding this info isn't the easiest and there's always new posters here asking.
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That would be awesome
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Yes! Please do! Making the measurement principles clear enough so everyone can chip in with their measurements from the trucks they have around would be great.
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I'm still not getting where upwards of 2-3" is being added to the WB...are we talking the stretch from deck center and dividing by 2 (3" total push with 1.5" for each truck from center)?


(https://i.imgur.com/K3XWXev.png)

So as an example, if your deck wb is 14.25," and you ride Indy's your true axle to axle wheelbase is 17.25." The distance from the inner bolt hole to the center of the closest axle is added to the overall measurement, in this case, 1.5" per side. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on December 31, 2019, 05:56:23 PM
I've been wanting to ask how you guys are measuring wb on a deck.
I've seen lotsa ppl make mistakes trying to measure center-to-center..
Does anyone actually try to eyeball the center of the hole?

And for axle-to-axle wb..
Eyeballing the center of the axle?


Use the side, not the center, it's the same distance.
Same side to same side..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on December 31, 2019, 06:06:49 PM
Quote from: palelight on December 31, 2019, 02:41:37 AM
Quote from: Roisto on December 31, 2019, 02:25:10 AM
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Quote from: palelight on December 30, 2019, 11:58:38 PM
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Hey all,

Update to my original post of the big four wheelbase/truck measurements. Just snagged a set of Venture cast 5.8 so here's a new pic and info to go along with my original post. (used the same deck for measuring, 14.25" deck wheelbase). https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

Venture 5.8 cast. Board WB + 3.25"


Not going to lie, I didn't think it was going to be a full 1/4" smaller than the 5.8 forged. It's noticeably easier to get at the hardware under the hanger on the cast vs the forged.

Once my dipshit brother returns my digital callipers I'm going to do a post showing the measurements of all the top and bottom bushings of each truck, as well as some Bones aftermarkets so everyone can have a easy reference for the questions that keep getting asked here.
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This is good shit! Props for taking measurements! 👍

We should start a truck data thread to gather all relevant data from all these different trucks. Finding just the actual widths of trucks seems awfully difficult for most brands.
[close]

Not a problem. And for sure, I was thinking about starting a new thread with just the data (once I get the bushing heights w/ pics) and hopefully getting it stickied. As you said, finding this info isn't the easiest and there's always new posters here asking.

Thank you for doing your part to fuel gear madness on Slap. Have a shalom 2020
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 31, 2019, 07:15:01 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on December 31, 2019, 06:06:49 PM
Quote from: palelight on December 31, 2019, 02:41:37 AM
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Quote from: Roisto on December 31, 2019, 02:25:10 AM
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Quote from: palelight on December 30, 2019, 11:58:38 PM
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Hey all,

Update to my original post of the big four wheelbase/truck measurements. Just snagged a set of Venture cast 5.8 so here's a new pic and info to go along with my original post. (used the same deck for measuring, 14.25" deck wheelbase). https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

Venture 5.8 cast. Board WB + 3.25"


Not going to lie, I didn't think it was going to be a full 1/4" smaller than the 5.8 forged. It's noticeably easier to get at the hardware under the hanger on the cast vs the forged.

Once my dipshit brother returns my digital callipers I'm going to do a post showing the measurements of all the top and bottom bushings of each truck, as well as some Bones aftermarkets so everyone can have a easy reference for the questions that keep getting asked here.
[close]

This is good shit! Props for taking measurements! 👍

We should start a truck data thread to gather all relevant data from all these different trucks. Finding just the actual widths of trucks seems awfully difficult for most brands.
[close]

Not a problem. And for sure, I was thinking about starting a new thread with just the data (once I get the bushing heights w/ pics) and hopefully getting it stickied. As you said, finding this info isn't the easiest and there's always new posters here asking.
[close]

Thank you for doing your part to fuel gear madness on Slap. Have a shalom 2020

I'll be sure to tap you back once I reach pal status. 

I hope it's equal measure of fuelling the madness, but also helping any potential truck swapper have the relevant info before they drop their cash. It's goddamn crazy to me that's it hard to get even an accurate truck height from the companies themselves. Let alone affect on wheelbase etc.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 31, 2019, 07:27:44 PM
Quote from: palelight on December 31, 2019, 07:15:01 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on December 31, 2019, 06:06:49 PM
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Quote from: palelight on December 31, 2019, 02:41:37 AM
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Quote from: Roisto on December 31, 2019, 02:25:10 AM
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Quote from: palelight on December 30, 2019, 11:58:38 PM
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Hey all,

Update to my original post of the big four wheelbase/truck measurements. Just snagged a set of Venture cast 5.8 so here's a new pic and info to go along with my original post. (used the same deck for measuring, 14.25" deck wheelbase). https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

Venture 5.8 cast. Board WB + 3.25"


Not going to lie, I didn't think it was going to be a full 1/4" smaller than the 5.8 forged. It's noticeably easier to get at the hardware under the hanger on the cast vs the forged.

Once my dipshit brother returns my digital callipers I'm going to do a post showing the measurements of all the top and bottom bushings of each truck, as well as some Bones aftermarkets so everyone can have a easy reference for the questions that keep getting asked here.
[close]

This is good shit! Props for taking measurements! 👍

We should start a truck data thread to gather all relevant data from all these different trucks. Finding just the actual widths of trucks seems awfully difficult for most brands.
[close]

Not a problem. And for sure, I was thinking about starting a new thread with just the data (once I get the bushing heights w/ pics) and hopefully getting it stickied. As you said, finding this info isn't the easiest and there's always new posters here asking.
[close]

Thank you for doing your part to fuel gear madness on Slap. Have a shalom 2020
[close]

I'll be sure to tap you back once I reach pal status. 

I hope it's equal measure of fuelling the madness, but also helping any potential truck swapper have the relevant info before they drop their cash. It's goddamn crazy to me that's it hard to get even an accurate truck height from the companies themselves. Let alone affect on wheelbase etc.

Some basics: height, weight, hanger width, axle tip to tip measurement. Most companies cannot give you these. Which is sooooo lazy.

I love the work you are doing. Thanks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on December 31, 2019, 10:58:38 PM
Quote from: palelight on December 31, 2019, 07:15:01 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on December 31, 2019, 06:06:49 PM
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Quote from: palelight on December 31, 2019, 02:41:37 AM
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Quote from: Roisto on December 31, 2019, 02:25:10 AM
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Quote from: palelight on December 30, 2019, 11:58:38 PM
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Hey all,

Update to my original post of the big four wheelbase/truck measurements. Just snagged a set of Venture cast 5.8 so here's a new pic and info to go along with my original post. (used the same deck for measuring, 14.25" deck wheelbase). https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

Venture 5.8 cast. Board WB + 3.25"


Not going to lie, I didn't think it was going to be a full 1/4" smaller than the 5.8 forged. It's noticeably easier to get at the hardware under the hanger on the cast vs the forged.

Once my dipshit brother returns my digital callipers I'm going to do a post showing the measurements of all the top and bottom bushings of each truck, as well as some Bones aftermarkets so everyone can have a easy reference for the questions that keep getting asked here.
[close]

This is good shit! Props for taking measurements! 👍

We should start a truck data thread to gather all relevant data from all these different trucks. Finding just the actual widths of trucks seems awfully difficult for most brands.
[close]

Not a problem. And for sure, I was thinking about starting a new thread with just the data (once I get the bushing heights w/ pics) and hopefully getting it stickied. As you said, finding this info isn't the easiest and there's always new posters here asking.
[close]

Thank you for doing your part to fuel gear madness on Slap. Have a shalom 2020
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I hope it's equal measure of fuelling the madness, but also helping any potential truck swapper have the relevant info before they drop their cash. It's goddamn crazy to me that's it hard to get even an accurate truck height from the companies themselves. Let alone affect on wheelbase etc.

Thank you for that, the pics you put up really helped me decide my next board and truck purchases.

I like hoarding skate gear as much as the next Slap Pal, but I'm a working adult and cant be dropping 40-60 bucks every time couple of weeks to try stuff out. Swapping gear between setups is really time consuming and I got a damn blister on my hand from trying to remove bearing yesterday so I'm feeling pissy.

Then again we could be living in our own bubble where board, truck, WB and gear madness only exists on this tiny online space.  The regular guy at the skatepark doesn't care about what his trucks are going to do to this WB or how many fingers of flat his board has.  The only thing he cares about is width, which is probably why most brands or sites don't bother listing down every dimensions of their board.  I sometimes yearn for the days of blissful ignorance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Hey all,

Update to my original post of the big four wheelbase/truck measurements. Just snagged a set of Venture cast 5.8 so here's a new pic and info to go along with my original post. (used the same deck for measuring, 14.25" deck wheelbase). https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

Venture 5.8 cast. Board WB + 3.25"


Not going to lie, I didn't think it was going to be a full 1/4" smaller than the 5.8 forged. It's noticeably easier to get at the hardware under the hanger on the cast vs the forged.

Once my dipshit brother returns my digital callipers I'm going to do a post showing the measurements of all the top and bottom bushings of each truck, as well as some Bones aftermarkets so everyone can have a easy reference for the questions that keep getting asked here.
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This is good shit! Props for taking measurements! 👍

We should start a truck data thread to gather all relevant data from all these different trucks. Finding just the actual widths of trucks seems awfully difficult for most brands.
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Not a problem. And for sure, I was thinking about starting a new thread with just the data (once I get the bushing heights w/ pics) and hopefully getting it stickied. As you said, finding this info isn't the easiest and there's always new posters here asking.
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Thank you for doing your part to fuel gear madness on Slap. Have a shalom 2020
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I hope it's equal measure of fuelling the madness, but also helping any potential truck swapper have the relevant info before they drop their cash. It's goddamn crazy to me that's it hard to get even an accurate truck height from the companies themselves. Let alone affect on wheelbase etc.
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Thank you for that, the pics you put up really helped me decide my next board and truck purchases.

I like hoarding skate gear as much as the next Slap Pal, but I'm a working adult and cant be dropping 40-60 bucks every time couple of weeks to try stuff out. Swapping gear between setups is really time consuming and I got a damn blister on my hand from trying to remove bearing yesterday so I'm feeling pissy.

Then again we could be living in our own bubble where board, truck, WB and gear madness only exists on this tiny online space.  The regular guy at the skatepark doesn't care about what his trucks are going to do to this WB or how many fingers of flat his board has.  The only thing he cares about is width, which is probably why most brands or sites don't bother listing down every dimensions of their board.  I sometimes yearn for the days of blissful ignorance.

In my experience, this. Every time I get into measurements of stuff I get looked at like a kook.

I wish I didn’t care so much but here I am on the truck thread yet again
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 01, 2020, 01:03:14 AM

Quote from: rocklobster on December 31, 2019, 10:58:38 PM
Thank you for that, the pics you put up really helped me decide my next board and truck purchases.

I like hoarding skate gear as much as the next Slap Pal, but I'm a working adult and cant be dropping 40-60 bucks every time couple of weeks to try stuff out. Swapping gear between setups is really time consuming and I got a damn blister on my hand from trying to remove bearing yesterday so I'm feeling pissy.

Then again we could be living in our own bubble where board, truck, WB and gear madness only exists on this tiny online space.  The regular guy at the skatepark doesn't care about what his trucks are going to do to this WB or how many fingers of flat his board has.  The only thing he cares about is width, which is probably why most brands or sites don't bother listing down every dimensions of their board.  I sometimes yearn for the days of blissful ignorance.

Glad to help. I know when I was kicking around swapping trucks a few years ago I had a hell of a time finding any real info on things, and when I would ask around online or someone at the shop the info was always secondhand or 'common knowledge' stuff that's usually inaccurate.


Quote from: texasplant on January 01, 2020, 12:30:38 AM

In my experience, this. Every time I get into measurements of stuff I get looked at like a kook.

I wish I didn’t care so much but here I am on the truck thread yet again

Well, my goal if you want to call it that, is to just throw the info up there and let anyone who needs it help their decisions/madness. In my probably naive way I hope it takes guess work out of the equation, or takes any mystery out of the equation.

As for the kookery, obviously to some people it's whack, and I get it. I don't let it get under my skin, so long as you're not out preaching Lenny Kirk style to people about wheelbases. I've always liked knowing how stuff works, knowing how to fix and mod things, whether it's my bike or an instrument or whatever. It doesn't make me do any of those things better, just a different kind of satisfaction.

For what it's worth, I don't have much madness myself. Rode Indy's forever, had a brief fling with Aces (no real adjustment necessary) and have recently started flirting with Ventures. If the Ventures are still on my setup in the spring, I'll sell the Indy's to kill the temptation to switch back. Have to go cold turkey with that shit.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on January 01, 2020, 08:13:05 PM
Dumb question that has been asked to death i'm sure, what are the advantages of Bones Mediums? I don't mind stock Indy bushings but looking for a slightly quicker response, is this what I'll get with these?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on January 01, 2020, 09:39:45 PM
For me it is more the opposite. The bushings are the same height but designed to be used without bottom washer, so the trucks become lower and turn a little slower imo. Also not having the cupped top washer takes away some of the rebound strength and feels slower too. Smooth and stable on center but not as responsive and snappy imo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beatifk on January 02, 2020, 03:24:17 AM
Skated Thunders yesterday for the first time in probably 30 years... hated them at the beginning of the day. Tightened them almost a full turn from factory because they seemed way sloppy, hated the way that felt so I loosened 'em up a half turn or so. Felt better. Still getting used to them, but by the end of the day I felt more comfortable on them.

I wanted a change from Indy/Ace, and it's a fun change, but unless I start learning tricks I've never landed in my life, I'll probably stick with Ace/Indy. They just feel more "fun" to me if that makes sense. Thunders feel like a business truck, a good tool for getting tricks, which is not something I usually spend my time doing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on January 02, 2020, 08:46:37 AM
I think I'm over hotdogging my setups. My flip tricks have been weirdly slow for a while but I didn't want to blame it on wider trucks until I tried several board and shoe combos. Went back to 147s after a while on 148s and flip tricks are coming back almost immediately. I think I just enjoy the quick pop/lower height of 147s for my type of skating. Wider trucks only feel better until I start trying tricks so it's back to trucks narrower than the deck for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on January 02, 2020, 09:13:34 AM
Just sold both sets of ventures and both sets of thunders, so I could just use Indys,  and I had a severe ankle sprain (not skating. I stupidly thought I should climb a tree to get my son's friends ball loose from a branch, fell and landed with my left foot sideways). Pain familiar instantly, as this has been my weak ankle (push foot) for years due to a 100% similar injury that did happen skating in 2001 (landed with left foot sideways on a lil 4 stair kickflip, couldn't skate for 3-4 months). Now that I know I am out of commission for months, I added a new thought to my madness. At 43 years old, when I can skate again, are Indys going to feel good. My madness has been based on these 3 factors:
1) the ride/carve of Indys (plus nostalgia) vs
2) stability/consistency of ventures vs
3) quick response/flip ability of thunders

I'm worried if my bitchmade soft ankle would just give out on the Indys or thunders, once healed, as they have the deeper turn. I'm going to rehab the f out of it once it un-swells/ bruises but already over thinking the confidence in that shitty ankle. Pondering skating Ventures just for that stability, when I can skate again. (This is some paranoia at this point. Only been 4 days)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on January 02, 2020, 09:24:38 AM
Quote from: beatifk on January 02, 2020, 03:24:17 AM
Skated Thunders yesterday for the first time in probably 30 years... hated them at the beginning of the day. Tightened them almost a full turn from factory because they seemed way sloppy, hated the way that felt so I loosened 'em up a half turn or so. Felt better. Still getting used to them, but by the end of the day I felt more comfortable on them.

I wanted a change from Indy/Ace, and it's a fun change, but unless I start learning tricks I've never landed in my life, I'll probably stick with Ace/Indy. They just feel more "fun" to me if that makes sense. Thunders feel like a business truck, a good tool for getting tricks, which is not something I usually spend my time doing.
This is kinda where I’m at, got Ventures to get more tech. And now I’m kinda like fuck I’d rather just have fun and skate. Luckily they broke in enough to where I don’t feel obligated to try new shit but still every time I bolt trucks on that aren’t Indys they’re just not the same.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UPPERCASEnocap on January 02, 2020, 09:31:18 AM
For everyone who's jumped to ventures and missing a nice turn, remove the top washer and replace with the flat washer that comes with bones bushings. Completely changes them and lets them turn much deeper. Skated them yesterday and they were pretty dreamy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on January 02, 2020, 09:42:49 AM
Quote from: UPPERCASEnocap on January 02, 2020, 09:31:18 AM
For everyone who's jumped to ventures and missing a nice turn, remove the top washer and replace with the flat washer that comes with bones bushings. Completely changes them and lets them turn much deeper. Skated them yesterday and they were pretty dreamy.

I did this a while back (also have riptide pivot cups which I would recommend). It definitely makes a difference and frees up the turn a little bit but in the end they still feel like Ventures and its not going to completely change the geometry.

Quote from: beatifk on January 02, 2020, 03:24:17 AM
Skated Thunders yesterday for the first time in probably 30 years... hated them at the beginning of the day. Tightened them almost a full turn from factory because they seemed way sloppy, hated the way that felt so I loosened 'em up a half turn or so. Felt better. Still getting used to them, but by the end of the day I felt more comfortable on them.

I wanted a change from Indy/Ace, and it's a fun change, but unless I start learning tricks I've never landed in my life, I'll probably stick with Ace/Indy. They just feel more "fun" to me if that makes sense. Thunders feel like a business truck, a good tool for getting tricks, which is not something I usually spend my time doing.

This is precisely how I feel about Ventures
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on January 02, 2020, 10:01:47 AM
Quote from: UPPERCASEnocap on January 02, 2020, 09:31:18 AM
For everyone who's jumped to ventures and missing a nice turn, remove the top washer and replace with the flat washer that comes with bones bushings. Completely changes them and lets them turn much deeper. Skated them yesterday and they were pretty dreamy.

I don’t have ventures but just curious. By swapping washers for a deep turn do you lose the stability that people want with ventures?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UPPERCASEnocap on January 02, 2020, 10:16:57 AM
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For everyone who's jumped to ventures and missing a nice turn, remove the top washer and replace with the flat washer that comes with bones bushings. Completely changes them and lets them turn much deeper. Skated them yesterday and they were pretty dreamy.
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I don’t have ventures but just curious. By swapping washers for a deep turn do you lose the stability that people want with ventures?

It does "turn" easier so i've found I do have to be a little more precise with foot placement and leverage. However with the ventures geometry and extended wheelbase they still feel stable. I have them as loose feeling as my thunders or forged indys and don't get near the wheelbite.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on January 02, 2020, 11:59:54 AM
Do you guys ever notice slightly bent axles, or let it bother you? I've thought my axles seemed a tiny bit bent for a while now but never bothered to get a ruler or anything as I didn't really feel it when riding.

Set up some new wheels and after skating it briefly, I noticed that the inside side of the wheel has picked up significantly more dirt/dust, whereas the outside side of the contact patch is almost clean, confirming my suspicion that my axles are slightly bent. Reluctant to break in and grind down new trucks, only had these a few months. Anyone know of any fixes or should I just ignore it until it starts hindering my skating.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 02, 2020, 12:31:03 PM
No but I regularly let perfectly good trucks drive me absolutely bananas.....shit I get anxious about trucks I don't even own....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on January 02, 2020, 12:33:50 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on January 02, 2020, 11:59:54 AM
Do you guys ever notice slightly bent axles, or let it bother you? I've thought my axles seemed a tiny bit bent for a while now but never bothered to get a ruler or anything as I didn't really feel it when riding.

Set up some new wheels and after skating it briefly, I noticed that the inside side of the wheel has picked up significantly more dirt/dust, whereas the outside side of the contact patch is almost clean, confirming my suspicion that my axles are slightly bent. Reluctant to break in and grind down new trucks, only had these a few months. Anyone know of any fixes or should I just ignore it until it starts hindering my skating.

I’d just skate it. Once you skate a board it starts to get dinged, uneven, flattens.....wheels wear down unevenly, try to banish it from your mind. Imo. Easier said than done.

J soy-

Me too. Me too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 02, 2020, 12:36:59 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on January 02, 2020, 11:59:54 AM
Do you guys ever notice slightly bent axles, or let it bother you? I've thought my axles seemed a tiny bit bent for a while now but never bothered to get a ruler or anything as I didn't really feel it when riding.

Set up some new wheels and after skating it briefly, I noticed that the inside side of the wheel has picked up significantly more dirt/dust, whereas the outside side of the contact patch is almost clean, confirming my suspicion that my axles are slightly bent. Reluctant to break in and grind down new trucks, only had these a few months. Anyone know of any fixes or should I just ignore it until it starts hindering my skating.

i have a pair with slightly bent axles on the front truck. they are pretty new so im not really sure its worth complaining to dlx about it. plus i only realized it when i was taking the paint off them, not while skating
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on January 02, 2020, 01:04:24 PM
Thanks guys sounds like I need to stop being a poosy. Plus these are titanium axles so if I'm able to bend these then I'd probably bend most other trucks after a while too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 02, 2020, 01:21:58 PM
Quote from: fang on January 02, 2020, 09:13:34 AM
Just sold both sets of ventures and both sets of thunders, so I could just use Indys,  and I had a severe ankle sprain (not skating. I stupidly thought I should climb a tree to get my son's friends ball loose from a branch, fell and landed with my left foot sideways). Pain familiar instantly, as this has been my weak ankle (push foot) for years due to a 100% similar injury that did happen skating in 2001 (landed with left foot sideways on a lil 4 stair kickflip, couldn't skate for 3-4 months). Now that I know I am out of commission for months, I added a new thought to my madness. At 43 years old, when I can skate again, are Indys going to feel good. My madness has been based on these 3 factors:
1) the ride/carve of Indys (plus nostalgia) vs
2) stability/consistency of ventures vs
3) quick response/flip ability of thunders

I'm worried if my bitchmade soft ankle would just give out on the Indys or thunders, once healed, as they have the deeper turn. I'm going to rehab the f out of it once it un-swells/ bruises but already over thinking the confidence in that shitty ankle. Pondering skating Ventures just for that stability, when I can skate again. (This is some paranoia at this point. Only been 4 days)

I snapped my leg a few years back and it took me quite a while to get back on board let alone do anything other with it except roll around. I used to ride Indys with Bones hards and when I was injured I bought a lot of shit. Tested all sorts of shit for a long time when getting back to it. I ended up liking stock Aces best. Loose as fuck. Just something about them turning so easy made it all easier for me coming back. Now I know your situation is a lot different and probably won't be nearly as off as I was but what I'm trying to say is to not stress it too much and just feel it out when you're coming back skating. You'll figure it out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on January 02, 2020, 01:58:07 PM
I think I've finally dialed my madness down to where I like 149s/5.8s, and can do any of the big name trucks (indy, thunder, venture) as long as they're 8.5 axle. if the aces come through with that 8.5 we may meet again. always gonna have a preference for indy though, favorite trucks.

I've tried the no top washer/bones flat top washer and wasn't a huge fan. honestly like my ventures more with it on after I let it break in a bit. just took some cruising and slappys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 02, 2020, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: fang on January 02, 2020, 09:13:34 AM
Just sold both sets of ventures and both sets of thunders, so I could just use Indys,  and I had a severe ankle sprain (not skating. I stupidly thought I should climb a tree to get my son's friends ball loose from a branch, fell and landed with my left foot sideways). Pain familiar instantly, as this has been my weak ankle (push foot) for years due to a 100% similar injury that did happen skating in 2001 (landed with left foot sideways on a lil 4 stair kickflip, couldn't skate for 3-4 months). Now that I know I am out of commission for months, I added a new thought to my madness. At 43 years old, when I can skate again, are Indys going to feel good. My madness has been based on these 3 factors:

1) the ride/carve of Indys (plus nostalgia) vs
2) stability/consistency of ventures vs
3) quick response/flip ability of thunders

I'm worried if my bitchmade soft ankle would just give out on the Indys or thunders, once healed, as they have the deeper turn. I'm going to rehab the f out of it once it un-swells/ bruises but already over thinking the confidence in that shitty ankle. Pondering skating Ventures just for that stability, when I can skate again. (This is some paranoia at this point. Only been 4 days)

I severely rolled my push foot ankle when I was 45 (landed wrong off a big 5'+ ollie off a pyramid (no idea what I was thinking other than, shit, I just made one that was over 4' let's goooooo) they told me it was basically rolled to the point of almost breaking. It didn't but I basically pulled everything keeping my ankle together. I was out for a full 9 months of any type of skating requiring me to take my foot off for anything but pushing.

Flash forward to when I could skate again (last spring @46)...since it was my rear foot, flips were out, one little bad angle landing or missed heelflip and the incorrect landings would hurt more than anything, hell even pumping transition would make it hurt like hell. Now at 47 (ugh) my ollies are back, flip tricks are back (bad heelflip lands will still fuck with me, it's just the way my foot lands) but in a way I am committing more so I don't bail them and trying to bail differently.

The take away, do the fucking rehab work. I slacked on it and paid the price. Still paying, it's not 100%, never will be but I'm doing exercises to strengthen it anyway.

Forget worrying about flip tricks. Seriously. Wait until any stiffness or soreness goes away...then wait some more.

I'd suggest just getting a pair of trusty predictable Indys (or even ACE if you want quicker response and better stability) keep them medium loose and take it slow. I went straight back to loose thunders and didn't think twice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 02, 2020, 05:08:52 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 02, 2020, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: fang on January 02, 2020, 09:13:34 AM
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Just sold both sets of ventures and both sets of thunders, so I could just use Indys,  and I had a severe ankle sprain (not skating. I stupidly thought I should climb a tree to get my son's friends ball loose from a branch, fell and landed with my left foot sideways). Pain familiar instantly, as this has been my weak ankle (push foot) for years due to a 100% similar injury that did happen skating in 2001 (landed with left foot sideways on a lil 4 stair kickflip, couldn't skate for 3-4 months). Now that I know I am out of commission for months, I added a new thought to my madness. At 43 years old, when I can skate again, are Indys going to feel good. My madness has been based on these 3 factors:

1) the ride/carve of Indys (plus nostalgia) vs
2) stability/consistency of ventures vs
3) quick response/flip ability of thunders

I'm worried if my bitchmade soft ankle would just give out on the Indys or thunders, once healed, as they have the deeper turn. I'm going to rehab the f out of it once it un-swells/ bruises but already over thinking the confidence in that shitty ankle. Pondering skating Ventures just for that stability, when I can skate again. (This is some paranoia at this point. Only been 4 days)
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I severely rolled my push foot ankle when I was 45 (landed wrong off a big 5'+ ollie off a pyramid (no idea what I was thinking other than, shit, I just made one that was over 4' let's goooooo) they told me it was basically rolled to the point of almost breaking. It didn't but I basically pulled everything keeping my ankle together. I was out for a full 9 months of any type of skating requiring me to take my foot off for anything but pushing.

Flash forward to when I could skate again (last spring @46)...since it was my rear foot, flips were out, one little bad angle landing or missed heelflip and the incorrect landings would hurt more than anything, hell even pumping transition would make it hurt like hell. Now at 47 (ugh) my ollies are back, flip tricks are back (bad heelflip lands will still fuck with me, it's just the way my foot lands) but in a way I am committing more so I don't bail them and trying to bail differently.

The take away, do the fucking rehab work. I slacked on it and paid the price. Still paying, it's not 100%, never will be but I'm doing exercises to strengthen it anyway.

Forget worrying about flip tricks. Seriously. Wait until any stiffness or soreness goes away...then wait some more.

I'd suggest just getting a pair of trusty predictable Indys (or even ACE if you want quicker response and better stability) keep them medium loose and take it slow. I went straight back to loose thunders and didn't think twice.
Hey. Certified old fart here too..
Carving around on Indy or Ace sounds like great ankle therapy to me.
Maybe keep the impact to a minimum at first. No drops, real ollies, fully bashed in fs slappies.. powerslidey reverts? What hurts your ankle? Don't do that..
Oddly my ankle is the only decent joint in my leg (knock on wood) so I can't help too much.
Have you tried the exercises on Jenkem? Calf lifts?

http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2019/08/30/jocks-guide-skateboarding-gym-exercises/
If you google stuff like elastic/resistance band ankle exercises you can find more
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on January 02, 2020, 06:03:31 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 02, 2020, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: fang on January 02, 2020, 09:13:34 AM
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Just sold both sets of ventures and both sets of thunders, so I could just use Indys,  and I had a severe ankle sprain (not skating. I stupidly thought I should climb a tree to get my son's friends ball loose from a branch, fell and landed with my left foot sideways). Pain familiar instantly, as this has been my weak ankle (push foot) for years due to a 100% similar injury that did happen skating in 2001 (landed with left foot sideways on a lil 4 stair kickflip, couldn't skate for 3-4 months). Now that I know I am out of commission for months, I added a new thought to my madness. At 43 years old, when I can skate again, are Indys going to feel good. My madness has been based on these 3 factors:

1) the ride/carve of Indys (plus nostalgia) vs
2) stability/consistency of ventures vs
3) quick response/flip ability of thunders

I'm worried if my bitchmade soft ankle would just give out on the Indys or thunders, once healed, as they have the deeper turn. I'm going to rehab the f out of it once it un-swells/ bruises but already over thinking the confidence in that shitty ankle. Pondering skating Ventures just for that stability, when I can skate again. (This is some paranoia at this point. Only been 4 days)
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The take away, do the fucking rehab work. I slacked on it and paid the price. Still paying, it's not 100%, never will be but I'm doing exercises to strengthen it anyway.

Forget worrying about flip tricks. Seriously. Wait until any stiffness or soreness goes away...then wait some more.

Best advice I wish I took in my youth. Recovery takes longer and we get weaker with each injury. Rehab / physio work stops the decline.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on January 02, 2020, 06:14:12 PM
Goddamnit why do I even open this thread. Now I'm going to spend the next 15 minutes hunting through my box of shit looking for flat bones washers to put on my ventures. And I'm probably going to hate it and take it off, then in 3 weeks I'll forget that I hated it and want to try it again and the cycle starts anew.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on January 03, 2020, 06:19:25 AM
Turns out my foot is broke instead. Sort of happy about that. I still got one of those rubber straps to stretch my feet and ankles on. They actually work really well. I've had to do this before,  so I'm prepared this time. Funny too is I keep thinking about sizing down boards (nostalgic 90s) but I am starting to believe more landing area is good as I near age 44. Just a bummer that the decline happens (obviously). I still max out at about 8.18 wide, with 8.0 trucks. Can't wait to resume madness when I can skate again. In the meantime, I can fantasize about what trucks I may need in a few months
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on January 03, 2020, 07:30:45 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on January 02, 2020, 06:14:12 PM
Goddamnit why do I even open this thread. Now I'm going to spend the next 15 minutes hunting through my box of shit looking for flat bones washers to put on my ventures. And I'm probably going to hate it and take it off, then in 3 weeks I'll forget that I hated it and want to try it again and the cycle starts anew.

The flat washer on ventures is genuinely amazing. That's what I use on mine but otherwise stock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 7th Chamber on January 03, 2020, 07:49:10 AM
Quote from: fang on January 03, 2020, 06:19:25 AM
Turns out my foot is broke instead. Sort of happy about that. I still got one of those rubber straps to stretch my feet and ankles on. They actually work really well. I've had to do this before,  so I'm prepared this time. Funny too is I keep thinking about sizing down boards (nostalgic 90s) but I am starting to believe more landing area is good as I near age 44. Just a bummer that the decline happens (obviously). I still max out at about 8.18 wide, with 8.0 trucks. Can't wait to resume madness when I can skate again. In the meantime, I can fantasize about what trucks I may need in a few months
Sorry about your foot. My thoughts on the “more landing area” thing is it’s also harder to kick away. It’s probably also my huge lack of commitment, but I’ve gotten wrecked landing on boards all wonky.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UPPERCASEnocap on January 03, 2020, 10:49:12 AM
Quote from: Paperclip20 on January 03, 2020, 07:30:45 AM
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Goddamnit why do I even open this thread. Now I'm going to spend the next 15 minutes hunting through my box of shit looking for flat bones washers to put on my ventures. And I'm probably going to hate it and take it off, then in 3 weeks I'll forget that I hated it and want to try it again and the cycle starts anew.
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The flat washer on ventures is genuinely amazing. That's what I use on mine but otherwise stock.

It really is like a different truck with that bones top washer. Really enjoying them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Goddamnit why do I even open this thread. Now I'm going to spend the next 15 minutes hunting through my box of shit looking for flat bones washers to put on my ventures. And I'm probably going to hate it and take it off, then in 3 weeks I'll forget that I hated it and want to try it again and the cycle starts anew.
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The flat washer on ventures is genuinely amazing. That's what I use on mine but otherwise stock.
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It really is like a different truck with that bones top washer. Really enjoying them.

Another +1 for a flat washer on Ventures (and Tensors for that matter). Don't these companies skate their own shit?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UrbanSombrero on January 03, 2020, 02:44:29 PM
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Goddamnit why do I even open this thread. Now I'm going to spend the next 15 minutes hunting through my box of shit looking for flat bones washers to put on my ventures. And I'm probably going to hate it and take it off, then in 3 weeks I'll forget that I hated it and want to try it again and the cycle starts anew.
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The flat washer on ventures is genuinely amazing. That's what I use on mine but otherwise stock.
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It really is like a different truck with that bones top washer. Really enjoying them.
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Another +1 for a flat washer on Ventures (and Tensors for that matter). Don't these companies skate their own shit?

I just set up some Venture 5.0s on my 7.5 Girl reissue and these things don't turn. The bushings were trashed so I replaced with some stock orange Indy bushings and it helped a bit but they still don't feel right. Should I get some bones bushings or something else? If so how would you guys recommend I run them? Stock washers? No washers? Just the top one?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 03, 2020, 02:51:02 PM
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Goddamnit why do I even open this thread. Now I'm going to spend the next 15 minutes hunting through my box of shit looking for flat bones washers to put on my ventures. And I'm probably going to hate it and take it off, then in 3 weeks I'll forget that I hated it and want to try it again and the cycle starts anew.
[close]

The flat washer on ventures is genuinely amazing. That's what I use on mine but otherwise stock.
[close]

It really is like a different truck with that bones top washer. Really enjoying them.
[close]

Another +1 for a flat washer on Ventures (and Tensors for that matter). Don't these companies skate their own shit?
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I just set up some Venture 5.0s on my 7.5 Girl reissue and these things don't turn. The bushings were trashed so I replaced with some stock orange Indy bushings and it helped a bit but they still don't feel right. Should I get some bones bushings or something else? If so how would you guys recommend I run them? Stock washers? No washers? Just the top one?
For proper 90's steez you need to crank em down and tictac around
But I'd try Indy aftermarket bushings, orange cylinder ones. Using both washers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Goddamnit why do I even open this thread. Now I'm going to spend the next 15 minutes hunting through my box of shit looking for flat bones washers to put on my ventures. And I'm probably going to hate it and take it off, then in 3 weeks I'll forget that I hated it and want to try it again and the cycle starts anew.
[close]

The flat washer on ventures is genuinely amazing. That's what I use on mine but otherwise stock.
[close]

It really is like a different truck with that bones top washer. Really enjoying them.
[close]

Another +1 for a flat washer on Ventures (and Tensors for that matter). Don't these companies skate their own shit?
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I just set up some Venture 5.0s on my 7.5 Girl reissue and these things don't turn. The bushings were trashed so I replaced with some stock orange Indy bushings and it helped a bit but they still don't feel right. Should I get some bones bushings or something else? If so how would you guys recommend I run them? Stock washers? No washers? Just the top one?
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For proper 90's steez you need to crank em down and tictac around
But I'd try Indy aftermarket bushings, orange cylinder ones. Using both washers.

I have 5.0 lo’s. Bones, medium or hards, use the top washer. Turns real quick.
I like venture bushings, but they take a long minute to get broken in. The biggest limiter in turning radius, for me, is wheel size. 50’s and below are the easiest. The top washer in ventures can bind on the hanger, it does stop wheelbite, pick your poison.
I have the jovontae, I want that new one. Looks fun.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 03, 2020, 03:34:08 PM
Anyone seen Active's pivot cups? They were $0.25 on their site but the page is gone. I got some free when I walked in.
They're a lil bit softer than cracked ice, not as soft as krux, pretty nice quality. They're black, some parts are shiny, some dull. Look like they're cut/machined to shape from a rod, even have a small chamber for the pivot. I guessing urethane cuz machined but not sure
They're pointed at the bottom, not machined flat like some stuff I've seen online. Look similar to khiro's but I've never seen those irl.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 03, 2020, 04:01:55 PM
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Goddamnit why do I even open this thread. Now I'm going to spend the next 15 minutes hunting through my box of shit looking for flat bones washers to put on my ventures. And I'm probably going to hate it and take it off, then in 3 weeks I'll forget that I hated it and want to try it again and the cycle starts anew.
[close]

The flat washer on ventures is genuinely amazing. That's what I use on mine but otherwise stock.
[close]

It really is like a different truck with that bones top washer. Really enjoying them.
[close]

Another +1 for a flat washer on Ventures (and Tensors for that matter). Don't these companies skate their own shit?
[close]

I just set up some Venture 5.0s on my 7.5 Girl reissue and these things don't turn. The bushings were trashed so I replaced with some stock orange Indy bushings and it helped a bit but they still don't feel right. Should I get some bones bushings or something else? If so how would you guys recommend I run them? Stock washers? No washers? Just the top one?

I went withe ACE regular Bottom and ACE low top bushings with a flat [bones] washer in top. It helped loads...that said, as loose as I ride, 53mm will wheelbite in a hot second if you aren't careful...the fucked up thing, they seemingly wheelbite right in the middle of a short carve..like, brrrrrnt, nope, no more turn for you. I find that they are very surfy this way provided you don't need a long/arc'd carve, say if you are just skating street, ride loose and need to swerve, that's about it. They swerve nice :P

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UPPERCASEnocap on January 03, 2020, 04:51:09 PM
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Goddamnit why do I even open this thread. Now I'm going to spend the next 15 minutes hunting through my box of shit looking for flat bones washers to put on my ventures. And I'm probably going to hate it and take it off, then in 3 weeks I'll forget that I hated it and want to try it again and the cycle starts anew.
[close]

The flat washer on ventures is genuinely amazing. That's what I use on mine but otherwise stock.
[close]

It really is like a different truck with that bones top washer. Really enjoying them.
[close]

Another +1 for a flat washer on Ventures (and Tensors for that matter). Don't these companies skate their own shit?
[close]

I just set up some Venture 5.0s on my 7.5 Girl reissue and these things don't turn. The bushings were trashed so I replaced with some stock orange Indy bushings and it helped a bit but they still don't feel right. Should I get some bones bushings or something else? If so how would you guys recommend I run them? Stock washers? No washers? Just the top one?


I'm a 140lbs soaking wet and they turn well for me. I broke the stock bushings in and just run the top flat bones washer. More stable feeling than Indys and I get a nice deep carve. Before, I could NOT wheelbite just standing and leaning on the board. I now can lean deep enough to get wheel bite if I try yet riding I can see that I don't get near the wheelbite on my board as I do from my indys, aces, or thunders. Nut is screwed on flush. Works for me!

edit: I'm running the 5.6s so those 5.0s may be a completely different beast.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UrbanSombrero on January 03, 2020, 04:52:34 PM
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Goddamnit why do I even open this thread. Now I'm going to spend the next 15 minutes hunting through my box of shit looking for flat bones washers to put on my ventures. And I'm probably going to hate it and take it off, then in 3 weeks I'll forget that I hated it and want to try it again and the cycle starts anew.
[close]

The flat washer on ventures is genuinely amazing. That's what I use on mine but otherwise stock.
[close]

It really is like a different truck with that bones top washer. Really enjoying them.
[close]

Another +1 for a flat washer on Ventures (and Tensors for that matter). Don't these companies skate their own shit?
[close]

I just set up some Venture 5.0s on my 7.5 Girl reissue and these things don't turn. The bushings were trashed so I replaced with some stock orange Indy bushings and it helped a bit but they still don't feel right. Should I get some bones bushings or something else? If so how would you guys recommend I run them? Stock washers? No washers? Just the top one?
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For proper 90's steez you need to crank em down and tictac around
But I'd try Indy aftermarket bushings, orange cylinder ones. Using both washers.
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I have 5.0 lo’s. Bones, medium or hards, use the top washer. Turns real quick.
I like venture bushings, but they take a long minute to get broken in. The biggest limiter in turning radius, for me, is wheel size. 50’s and below are the easiest. The top washer in ventures can bind on the hanger, it does stop wheelbite, pick your poison.
I have the jovontae, I want that new one. Looks fun.

Awesome thanks I'll give this a try. Do you remove the stock bottom washer too? It's super fun I'd recommend it. I haven't smiled this much while skating flat in a long time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 03, 2020, 05:44:09 PM
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Goddamnit why do I even open this thread. Now I'm going to spend the next 15 minutes hunting through my box of shit looking for flat bones washers to put on my ventures. And I'm probably going to hate it and take it off, then in 3 weeks I'll forget that I hated it and want to try it again and the cycle starts anew.
[close]

The flat washer on ventures is genuinely amazing. That's what I use on mine but otherwise stock.
[close]

It really is like a different truck with that bones top washer. Really enjoying them.
[close]

Another +1 for a flat washer on Ventures (and Tensors for that matter). Don't these companies skate their own shit?
[close]

I just set up some Venture 5.0s on my 7.5 Girl reissue and these things don't turn. The bushings were trashed so I replaced with some stock orange Indy bushings and it helped a bit but they still don't feel right. Should I get some bones bushings or something else? If so how would you guys recommend I run them? Stock washers? No washers? Just the top one?
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I went withe ACE regular Bottom and ACE low top bushings with a flat [bones] washer in top. It helped loads...that said, as loose as I ride, 53mm will wheelbite in a hot second if you aren't careful...the fucked up thing, they seemingly wheelbite right in the middle of a short carve..like, brrrrrnt, nope, no more turn for you. I find that they are very surfy this way provided you don't need a long/arc'd carve, say if you are just skating street, ride loose and need to swerve, that's about it. They swerve nice :P

I should add that I'm 183/185 lbs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on January 03, 2020, 11:33:54 PM
Went through my trucks and made this while I was swapping over to a new board,

(https://i.imgur.com/dnf2Gzx.jpg)

Just mixed the mag ATG baseplates with the aluminum hangers. Being the truck savant I am, I rembered that thread about sloppy baseplate holes, and I noticed the baseplate holes on the mags were basically perfect, while the aluminum ones were slightly more warped:

(https://i.imgur.com/oFOZTSv.jpg)

I went and grabbed my aces to compare:

(https://i.imgur.com/7WYHR98.jpg)

For having shitty hardware that gets loose every session (which I finally replaced) none of them were that bad, I never noticed it during a session. The worst I've had was forged indys which actually got to the point where they rattled which was distracting and threw off my mojo lol. My guess is the magnesium is less malleable and aluminum, but this also means when you do apply excessive force, you'll crack instead of bend. The little nubs on the tensor baseplates seem to be doing a good job of offsetting the warping and rattling since all I do is slide variations which I find contribute to the issue. I imagine why aces warp less than indys (or thunders in my experience for that matter) is because the baseplate is SOLID and not trimmed down at all. More weight, but more solid in that regard. Ight imma head out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 04, 2020, 07:21:00 AM
Get new hardware every time you change boards and tighten it better. Warping out forged plate holes? Unheard of to me until now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on January 04, 2020, 08:31:55 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 04, 2020, 07:21:00 AM
Get new hardware every time you change boards and tighten it better. Warping out forged plate holes? Unheard of to me until now.

Honestly I just don't wanna buy new hardware every setup, seems wasteful. I don't have an issue with it anymore anyways. In my case the issue with indys happened before the hardware even loosened so I think it's just a symptom of doing a lot of slides. All my homies have had the same issue, so while the evidence is anecdotal, it seems really common among the people I skate with who all ride different setups, forged or not.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 7th Chamber on January 04, 2020, 08:48:55 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 04, 2020, 07:21:00 AM
Get new hardware every time you change boards and tighten it better. Warping out forged plate holes? Unheard of to me until now.
That’s because you’re a giant poser and only act like you skate, Jonah. Go buy some more trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 04, 2020, 11:10:45 AM
I check my bolts before sessions. I've had wheels pop off, hangers fall off for being too loose and wiggly trucks a few times. To think that your bolts wouldn't come loose if you huck your bard around is low on logic; also, locktite is a thing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on January 04, 2020, 11:33:23 AM
Superglue... never had this problem ever
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on January 04, 2020, 11:58:24 AM
I once got my hardware so fuckin jammed that I broke a corner of my baseplate trying to get that last bolt of, after that I got so paranoid about bolts that I run only two boards with same hardware and after that new set it is. I am old and suck tho so I only go thru like 3sets of bolts in year.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on January 04, 2020, 12:20:22 PM
Coping saw for stuck bolts... happened to me once :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on January 04, 2020, 12:38:57 PM
Quote from: drinny on January 04, 2020, 12:20:22 PM
Coping saw for stuck bolts... happened to me once :)
Yeah there’s plenty of power tools in my garage as well but I should’ve stated that this happened in the middle of sessions at the spot, broke my board and got spare one from homies trunk. I only had a regular allen tool plus a wrench to work with😬
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AssFlea on January 04, 2020, 01:35:48 PM
Got some 149s again.

I really really really wanted ventures but never look a gift goat in the mouth.

Im down to trade if anyone wants to meet at eggs or orchard this week.

Im looking for ventures for 8.25 up. In decent condition these 149s are pretty much brand new. Or Salem im always in Salem at the barriers or the long manny pad at the old mall. The wallie at the museum. Oh how i love that thing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on January 05, 2020, 06:10:13 PM
How are Ace 44 on long WB Real boards? Thinking of trying them on a 8.18 x 31.85 x 14.38 setup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on January 05, 2020, 06:14:07 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on January 05, 2020, 06:10:13 PM
How are Ace 44 on long WB Real boards? Thinking of trying them on a 8.18 x 31.85 x 14.38 setup.
They add 2.75"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 05, 2020, 06:20:38 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on January 05, 2020, 06:10:13 PM
How are Ace 44 on long WB Real boards? Thinking of trying them on a 8.18 x 31.85 x 14.38 setup.

They're great.

Anytime I ride a 14.3x wheel base I throw on ACE or Theeve (theeve being a bit tighter than ACE when pulling in the WB).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 05, 2020, 06:23:26 PM
I think overall lines up ok in that you have a bit of wheelbase to use up in an overall compact set up.  Generator/BBS boards tend to have mellower kicks, medium fingers of flat so should work ok on ACEs.  The only knock I'd say is they are kinda heavy and so on an 8.18 if you want something super nimble, it'll beef the board up a bit...if you had a PS board I'd say...nah, get thunders or ventures...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on January 06, 2020, 06:09:49 AM
After a few sessions on Ace I put my ventures back on yesterday. With the Ace my setup felt slow and the pop sounded dull almost like a water logged board. Popped the Venture back on and suddenly it was much snappier and crisper.

Might have a barely used set of 44's to put up soon.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tommy G on January 06, 2020, 06:47:51 AM
How do 8.75" trucks feel on a 8.5" board? My homie gave me a pair he had leftover and I was already thinking about getting a bigger board since I've ridden an 8.25" for the past 5 years or so.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 06, 2020, 08:15:46 AM
Quote from: arrbee on January 06, 2020, 06:09:49 AM
After a few sessions on Ace I put my ventures back on yesterday. With the Ace my setup felt slow and the pop sounded dull almost like a water logged board. Popped the Venture back on and suddenly it was much snappier and crisper.

Might have a barely used set of 44's to put up soon.

i had the same experience with 55s. i think the combo that works is aces+short tail/less fingers of flat. couldnt get any pop with a long tail
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on January 06, 2020, 10:10:52 AM
Just sharing some truck nerdery.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6_B42VIxyL/

I think if I ran a shop, I'd spend all day measuring and weight shit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on January 06, 2020, 11:09:08 AM
Quote from: TwisT on January 06, 2020, 10:10:52 AM
Just sharing some truck nerdery.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6_B42VIxyL/

I think if I ran a shop, I'd spend all day measuring and weight shit.

I think if I spent all day measuring and weighing shit I would have the foresight to remove the hang tag from the truck before I weighed it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on January 06, 2020, 02:33:39 PM
Someone needs to make some kind of updated list with all the truck sizes/types/weights

I know there was some skate warehouse youtube video that was decent and some old spreadsheet from years ago but we need a more thorough, up to date vid or spreadsheet 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 06, 2020, 04:21:44 PM
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Just sharing some truck nerdery.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6_B42VIxyL/

I think if I ran a shop, I'd spend all day measuring and weight shit.
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I think if I spent all day measuring and weighing shit I would have the foresight to remove the hang tag from the truck before I weighed it.
Cuz heavy?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on January 06, 2020, 04:56:12 PM
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I think if I spent all day measuring and weighing shit I would have the foresight to remove the hang tag from the truck before I weighed it.
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Cuz heavy?

Cuz accuracy.   

I don't skate with the tag on and none of the trucks besides Indy have one. It may only be 4 grams, but shit needs to be accurate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on January 06, 2020, 05:03:33 PM
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I think if I spent all day measuring and weighing shit I would have the foresight to remove the hang tag from the truck before I weighed it.
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Cuz heavy?
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Cuz accuracy.   

I don't skate with the tag on and none of the trucks besides Indy have one. It may only be 4 grams, but shit needs to be accurate.

I think you're vastly overestimating the weight of that paper tag.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on January 06, 2020, 05:13:12 PM
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I think if I spent all day measuring and weighing shit I would have the foresight to remove the hang tag from the truck before I weighed it.
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Cuz heavy?
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Cuz accuracy.   

I don't skate with the tag on and none of the trucks besides Indy have one. It may only be 4 grams, but shit needs to be accurate.
Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 06, 2020, 05:17:21 PM
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I think if I spent all day measuring and weighing shit I would have the foresight to remove the hang tag from the truck before I weighed it.
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Cuz heavy?
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Cuz accuracy.   

I don't skate with the tag on and none of the trucks besides Indy have one. It may only be 4 grams, but shit needs to be accurate.
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Couldn't agree more.
And the accuracy of a scale that doesn't read 0.1g
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 06, 2020, 06:03:20 PM
Quote from: arrbee on January 06, 2020, 06:09:49 AM
After a few sessions on Ace I put my ventures back on yesterday. With the Ace my setup felt slow and the pop sounded dull almost like a water logged board. Popped the Venture back on and suddenly it was much snappier and crisper.

Might have a barely used set of 44's to put up soon.

One of my other grievances with Ace throughout the years. I had a few sets in the mix that no matter what I tried they made my board sound like it spent a day at a waterpark. Never had that with any other truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on January 06, 2020, 06:45:32 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 06, 2020, 06:03:20 PM
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After a few sessions on Ace I put my ventures back on yesterday. With the Ace my setup felt slow and the pop sounded dull almost like a water logged board. Popped the Venture back on and suddenly it was much snappier and crisper.

Might have a barely used set of 44's to put up soon.
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One of my other grievances with Ace throughout the years. I had a few sets in the mix that no matter what I tried they made my board sound like it spent a day at a waterpark. Never had that with any other truck.

Thank god others have this experience, I thought I was crazy when I noticed this.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 06, 2020, 06:55:32 PM
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After a few sessions on Ace I put my ventures back on yesterday. With the Ace my setup felt slow and the pop sounded dull almost like a water logged board. Popped the Venture back on and suddenly it was much snappier and crisper.

Might have a barely used set of 44's to put up soon.
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One of my other grievances with Ace throughout the years. I had a few sets in the mix that no matter what I tried they made my board sound like it spent a day at a waterpark. Never had that with any other truck.
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Thank god others have this experience, I thought I was crazy when I noticed this.

felt the same. made me think my board was dead until i put thunders back on it. no matter how hard id pop, the board just wouldnt come with me. aces just arent compatible with me and i dont need to find out again by buying the next stage. knew i wanted to get rid of these 55s after the first session
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 06, 2020, 07:53:54 PM
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After a few sessions on Ace I put my ventures back on yesterday. With the Ace my setup felt slow and the pop sounded dull almost like a water logged board. Popped the Venture back on and suddenly it was much snappier and crisper.

Might have a barely used set of 44's to put up soon.
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One of my other grievances with Ace throughout the years. I had a few sets in the mix that no matter what I tried they made my board sound like it spent a day at a waterpark. Never had that with any other truck.
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Thank god others have this experience, I thought I was crazy when I noticed this.
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felt the same. made me think my board was dead until i put thunders back on it. no matter how hard id pop, the board just wouldnt come with me. aces just arent compatible with me and i dont need to find out again by buying the next stage. knew i wanted to get rid of these 55s after the first session

Ace and Indy are like this for me as well.  I'll never understand why i can't pop with them.  It has something to do with my timing and muscle memory from skating ventures and deadbolt trucks in the 90s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 06, 2020, 07:59:58 PM
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After a few sessions on Ace I put my ventures back on yesterday. With the Ace my setup felt slow and the pop sounded dull almost like a water logged board. Popped the Venture back on and suddenly it was much snappier and crisper.

Might have a barely used set of 44's to put up soon.
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One of my other grievances with Ace throughout the years. I had a few sets in the mix that no matter what I tried they made my board sound like it spent a day at a waterpark. Never had that with any other truck.
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Thank god others have this experience, I thought I was crazy when I noticed this.
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felt the same. made me think my board was dead until i put thunders back on it. no matter how hard id pop, the board just wouldnt come with me. aces just arent compatible with me and i dont need to find out again by buying the next stage. knew i wanted to get rid of these 55s after the first session
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Ace and Indy are like this for me as well.  I'll never understand why i can't pop with them.  It has something to do with my timing and muscle memory from skating ventures and deadbolt trucks in the 90s
I'm guessing tail length and that you guys don't like long tails.
Tried Ace/Indy/Theeve on a deck with a short tail? Or tried risers?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 06, 2020, 08:04:03 PM
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After a few sessions on Ace I put my ventures back on yesterday. With the Ace my setup felt slow and the pop sounded dull almost like a water logged board. Popped the Venture back on and suddenly it was much snappier and crisper.

Might have a barely used set of 44's to put up soon.
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One of my other grievances with Ace throughout the years. I had a few sets in the mix that no matter what I tried they made my board sound like it spent a day at a waterpark. Never had that with any other truck.
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Thank god others have this experience, I thought I was crazy when I noticed this.
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felt the same. made me think my board was dead until i put thunders back on it. no matter how hard id pop, the board just wouldnt come with me. aces just arent compatible with me and i dont need to find out again by buying the next stage. knew i wanted to get rid of these 55s after the first session
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Ace and Indy are like this for me as well.  I'll never understand why i can't pop with them.  It has something to do with my timing and muscle memory from skating ventures and deadbolt trucks in the 90s
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I'm guessing tail length and that you guys don't like long tails.
Tried Ace/Indy/Theeve on a deck with a short tail? Or tried risers?

So good point.  they work better for me with longer tails (6.75 min) but that's generally what I like to skate with anything
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 06, 2020, 08:33:54 PM
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After a few sessions on Ace I put my ventures back on yesterday. With the Ace my setup felt slow and the pop sounded dull almost like a water logged board. Popped the Venture back on and suddenly it was much snappier and crisper.

Might have a barely used set of 44's to put up soon.
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One of my other grievances with Ace throughout the years. I had a few sets in the mix that no matter what I tried they made my board sound like it spent a day at a waterpark. Never had that with any other truck.
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Thank god others have this experience, I thought I was crazy when I noticed this.
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felt the same. made me think my board was dead until i put thunders back on it. no matter how hard id pop, the board just wouldnt come with me. aces just arent compatible with me and i dont need to find out again by buying the next stage. knew i wanted to get rid of these 55s after the first session
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Ace and Indy are like this for me as well.  I'll never understand why i can't pop with them.  It has something to do with my timing and muscle memory from skating ventures and deadbolt trucks in the 90s
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I'm guessing tail length and that you guys don't like long tails.
Tried Ace/Indy/Theeve on a deck with a short tail? Or tried risers?
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So good point.  they work better for me with longer tails (6.75 min) but that's generally what I like to skate with anything

tried them on a 7 inch tail and it was no bueno. also with risers. i just think shorter wb trucks kill my max pop cause i dont have the same problem with thunders or ventures
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AssFlea on January 06, 2020, 09:08:42 PM
I definitely prefer the thunder pop feel. Grindking and ventures have it a bit. Ace and indy i tend to whiff fakie flips and tre.

Also ben is right I checked my footage and crooks wang way the fuck out on ace. The wheel goes way under the deck when pinche

Also why does my phone know im looking at ventures on ccs. I was reading Newsweek and there was an ad for awake
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 06, 2020, 10:03:58 PM
whoah....whoah....we're talking acoustics and geometry here....thunder is quick pop due to how quickly the tail hits the ground....with ACE.....I'm assuming maybe it's materials?  That's why it sounds dead....not as hollow maybe?  I know I ride my whole set up....rattle free....it feels dead...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on January 07, 2020, 12:17:24 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on January 06, 2020, 10:03:58 PM
whoah....whoah....we're talking acoustics and geometry here....thunder is quick pop due to how quickly the tail hits the ground....with ACE.....I'm assuming maybe it's materials?  That's why it sounds dead....not as hollow maybe?  I know I ride my whole set up....rattle free....it feels dead...

It just feels like the leverage isn't there. I know the upside to Ace is the shortened wheelbase but after giving them a good go for nearly a year, finally decided I prefer the Indy pop. Even more so with the forged plate and a riser.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on January 07, 2020, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: satan on January 06, 2020, 07:59:58 PM
I'm guessing tail length and that you guys don't like long tails.
Tried Ace/Indy/Theeve on a deck with a short tail? Or tried risers?

Tried aces and indys on everything, short tails, long tails, hard risers, soft risers, BBS, DLX, PStix, Crail and every wheelbase between 14.25 up to a redonculous 15.5, and I never felt satisfied with my pop because it never felt 'crisp' but more of a 'damp' feeling.

Now today I bit the bullet and bought some Venture 5.8 casts. Holy. fuck. I can't believe I've been cheating myself all these years. I was always an Indy die hard because I always thought their image was fucking rad and fell under the impression that those are how real trucks should feel like. First ollie I popped was the most satisfying ollie I've ever done. I set them up on a Real 8.25 with 14.38 wheelbase, after having skated the same deck this morning on Indy 149 forged hollows. I don't like to pop from the pocket, I like my foot on the tip of the tail, and the Ventures seem to work better for that. Also the stock bushings (got the green ones) are super soft that I ended up having to tighten from stock tightness, which is weird because most of ya'll say that these trucks don't turn lol. I was also surprised how good they felt on a 14.38 wheelbase, I thought it was going to feel too long but it was a good feeling. This is my first impression based on a quick 15 minute flat sesh, can't wait to have a full proper sesh with these. Curious to see how these perform on transition.

Anybody have any suggestions on how to remove the cringy "awake" text on these bad boys?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sadnocomply on January 07, 2020, 01:32:29 PM
Quote from: Twanked n Danked on January 07, 2020, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: satan on January 06, 2020, 07:59:58 PM
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I'm guessing tail length and that you guys don't like long tails.
Tried Ace/Indy/Theeve on a deck with a short tail? Or tried risers?
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Tried aces and indys on everything, short tails, long tails, hard risers, soft risers, BBS, DLX, PStix, Crail and every wheelbase between 14.25 up to a redonculous 15.5, and I never felt satisfied with my pop because it never felt 'crisp' but more of a 'damp' feeling.

Now today I bit the bullet and bought some Venture 5.8 casts. Holy. fuck. I can't believe I've been cheating myself all these years. I was always an Indy die hard because I always thought their image was fucking rad and fell under the impression that those are how real trucks should feel like. First ollie I popped was the most satisfying ollie I've ever done. I set them up on a Real 8.25 with 14.38 wheelbase, after having skated the same deck this morning on Indy 149 forged hollows. I don't like to pop from the pocket, I like my foot on the tip of the tail, and the Ventures seem to work better for that. Also the stock bushings (got the green ones) are super soft that I ended up having to tighten from stock tightness, which is weird because most of ya'll say that these trucks don't turn lol. I was also surprised how good they felt on a 14.38 wheelbase, I thought it was going to feel too long but it was a good feeling. This is my first impression based on a quick 15 minute flat sesh, can't wait to have a full proper sesh with these. Curious to see how these perform on transition.

Anybody have any suggestions on how to remove the cringy "awake" text on these bad boys?
I just got some 5.6 friday and I had the same situation, bushings are super mush but I’ll switch em out when they die. I am digging this venture pop on my hockey 8.25 14.18 WB. Gotta pop on the tip of the tail like you said, it’s tricky because I was always a pocket popper haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 07, 2020, 04:31:10 PM
Quote from: Twanked n Danked on January 07, 2020, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: satan on January 06, 2020, 07:59:58 PM
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I'm guessing tail length and that you guys don't like long tails.
Tried Ace/Indy/Theeve on a deck with a short tail? Or tried risers?
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Tried aces and indys on everything, short tails, long tails, hard risers, soft risers, BBS, DLX, PStix, Crail and every wheelbase between 14.25 up to a redonculous 15.5, and I never felt satisfied with my pop because it never felt 'crisp' but more of a 'damp' feeling.

Now today I bit the bullet and bought some Venture 5.8 casts. Holy. fuck. I can't believe I've been cheating myself all these years. I was always an Indy die hard because I always thought their image was fucking rad and fell under the impression that those are how real trucks should feel like. First ollie I popped was the most satisfying ollie I've ever done. I set them up on a Real 8.25 with 14.38 wheelbase, after having skated the same deck this morning on Indy 149 forged hollows. I don't like to pop from the pocket, I like my foot on the tip of the tail, and the Ventures seem to work better for that. Also the stock bushings (got the green ones) are super soft that I ended up having to tighten from stock tightness, which is weird because most of ya'll say that these trucks don't turn lol. I was also surprised how good they felt on a 14.38 wheelbase, I thought it was going to feel too long but it was a good feeling. This is my first impression based on a quick 15 minute flat sesh, can't wait to have a full proper sesh with these. Curious to see how these perform on transition.

Anybody have any suggestions on how to remove the cringy "awake" text on these bad boys?

power drill with wire brush attachment should do the job
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 07, 2020, 04:36:34 PM
Buy a matching t-shirt....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on January 07, 2020, 05:25:01 PM
Quote from: Twanked n Danked on January 07, 2020, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: satan on January 06, 2020, 07:59:58 PM
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I'm guessing tail length and that you guys don't like long tails.
Tried Ace/Indy/Theeve on a deck with a short tail? Or tried risers?
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Tried aces and indys on everything, short tails, long tails, hard risers, soft risers, BBS, DLX, PStix, Crail and every wheelbase between 14.25 up to a redonculous 15.5, and I never felt satisfied with my pop because it never felt 'crisp' but more of a 'damp' feeling.

Now today I bit the bullet and bought some Venture 5.8 casts. Holy. fuck. I can't believe I've been cheating myself all these years. I was always an Indy die hard because I always thought their image was fucking rad and fell under the impression that those are how real trucks should feel like. First ollie I popped was the most satisfying ollie I've ever done. I set them up on a Real 8.25 with 14.38 wheelbase, after having skated the same deck this morning on Indy 149 forged hollows. I don't like to pop from the pocket, I like my foot on the tip of the tail, and the Ventures seem to work better for that. Also the stock bushings (got the green ones) are super soft that I ended up having to tighten from stock tightness, which is weird because most of ya'll say that these trucks don't turn lol. I was also surprised how good they felt on a 14.38 wheelbase, I thought it was going to feel too long but it was a good feeling. This is my first impression based on a quick 15 minute flat sesh, can't wait to have a full proper sesh with these. Curious to see how these perform on transition.

Anybody have any suggestions on how to remove the cringy "awake" text on these bad boys?

Let us know how they are on transition! Literally the only thing holding me back from buying a pair.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 07, 2020, 06:40:56 PM
Quote from: texasplant on January 07, 2020, 05:25:01 PM
Quote from: Twanked n Danked on January 07, 2020, 01:25:48 PM
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Quote from: satan on January 06, 2020, 07:59:58 PM
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I'm guessing tail length and that you guys don't like long tails.
Tried Ace/Indy/Theeve on a deck with a short tail? Or tried risers?
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Tried aces and indys on everything, short tails, long tails, hard risers, soft risers, BBS, DLX, PStix, Crail and every wheelbase between 14.25 up to a redonculous 15.5, and I never felt satisfied with my pop because it never felt 'crisp' but more of a 'damp' feeling.

Now today I bit the bullet and bought some Venture 5.8 casts. Holy. fuck. I can't believe I've been cheating myself all these years. I was always an Indy die hard because I always thought their image was fucking rad and fell under the impression that those are how real trucks should feel like. First ollie I popped was the most satisfying ollie I've ever done. I set them up on a Real 8.25 with 14.38 wheelbase, after having skated the same deck this morning on Indy 149 forged hollows. I don't like to pop from the pocket, I like my foot on the tip of the tail, and the Ventures seem to work better for that. Also the stock bushings (got the green ones) are super soft that I ended up having to tighten from stock tightness, which is weird because most of ya'll say that these trucks don't turn lol. I was also surprised how good they felt on a 14.38 wheelbase, I thought it was going to feel too long but it was a good feeling. This is my first impression based on a quick 15 minute flat sesh, can't wait to have a full proper sesh with these. Curious to see how these perform on transition.

Anybody have any suggestions on how to remove the cringy "awake" text on these bad boys?
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Let us know how they are on transition! Literally the only thing holding me back from buying a pair.

They work, but certainly not to the degree ACE/Indy or Theeve will treat you. What do you normally ride and what kind of 'transition'?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on January 07, 2020, 07:05:53 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 07, 2020, 06:40:56 PM
Quote from: texasplant on January 07, 2020, 05:25:01 PM
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Quote from: Twanked n Danked on January 07, 2020, 01:25:48 PM
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Quote from: satan on January 06, 2020, 07:59:58 PM
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I'm guessing tail length and that you guys don't like long tails.
Tried Ace/Indy/Theeve on a deck with a short tail? Or tried risers?
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Tried aces and indys on everything, short tails, long tails, hard risers, soft risers, BBS, DLX, PStix, Crail and every wheelbase between 14.25 up to a redonculous 15.5, and I never felt satisfied with my pop because it never felt 'crisp' but more of a 'damp' feeling.

Now today I bit the bullet and bought some Venture 5.8 casts. Holy. fuck. I can't believe I've been cheating myself all these years. I was always an Indy die hard because I always thought their image was fucking rad and fell under the impression that those are how real trucks should feel like. First ollie I popped was the most satisfying ollie I've ever done. I set them up on a Real 8.25 with 14.38 wheelbase, after having skated the same deck this morning on Indy 149 forged hollows. I don't like to pop from the pocket, I like my foot on the tip of the tail, and the Ventures seem to work better for that. Also the stock bushings (got the green ones) are super soft that I ended up having to tighten from stock tightness, which is weird because most of ya'll say that these trucks don't turn lol. I was also surprised how good they felt on a 14.38 wheelbase, I thought it was going to feel too long but it was a good feeling. This is my first impression based on a quick 15 minute flat sesh, can't wait to have a full proper sesh with these. Curious to see how these perform on transition.

Anybody have any suggestions on how to remove the cringy "awake" text on these bad boys?
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Let us know how they are on transition! Literally the only thing holding me back from buying a pair.
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They work, but certainly not to the degree ACE/Indy or Theeve will treat you. What do you normally ride and what kind of 'transition'?

I'm an Ace/Indy guy. 6/7 foot at most, its mostly flowy plaza style parks down here. Rumour is we're getting a proper bowl with some pool coping finally, though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: m477 on January 07, 2020, 07:36:14 PM
A few months ago I was dealing with the dead cardboard box sounding deck as well. Brand new ace 55s, black label 8.75 (14.625 wb) and bones stf 54. Absolutely drove me crazy, I tinkered with it to no end until I put in Indy hard after market bushings (one barrel deckside one conical roadside), sanded down to fit so the nut is tightened flush on the kingpin. Never had this issue with my 2 previous sets of 44s and I kept those with the stock bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on January 07, 2020, 08:18:04 PM
Quote from: clamy on January 07, 2020, 03:04:44 PM
Aces for me only ever felt dead/soggy/weird/whatever when I tried messing with the bushings. Tried Krux bushings from recommendations here and they felt terrible. They're fine all stock.

Stock bushings popped out from under the washer 30 seconds after I set it up. In the 5 or so tricks I tried the board felt dead and it was a fresh deck. Swapped to bones felt the same. Just not for me. I’ll be posting them up tomorrow.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Saarinotsorry on January 07, 2020, 10:27:28 PM
Hey everybody i recently setup that DGK kalis love park reissue and its a great shape. 8.06 x almost 32, 14.3 wb. It has more concave than my real deck of the same dimmensions that i LOVED indys on. Question, i have a pair of Thunder 147 team hollows and a pair of theeve 5.2 csx and im looking for that perfect pop. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 07, 2020, 11:43:37 PM
Quote from: Saarinotsorry on January 07, 2020, 10:27:28 PM
Hey everybody i recently setup that DGK kalis love park reissue and its a great shape. 8.06 x almost 32, 14.3 wb. It has more concave than my real deck of the same dimmensions that i LOVED indys on. Question, i have a pair of Thunder 147 team hollows and a pair of theeve 5.2 csx and im looking for that perfect pop. Any suggestions?

try both and see what you like?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on January 08, 2020, 02:24:02 AM
Quote from: off on January 07, 2020, 11:43:37 PM
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Hey everybody i recently setup that DGK kalis love park reissue and its a great shape. 8.06 x almost 32, 14.3 wb. It has more concave than my real deck of the same dimmensions that i LOVED indys on. Question, i have a pair of Thunder 147 team hollows and a pair of theeve 5.2 csx and im looking for that perfect pop. Any suggestions?
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try both and see what you like?
If you loved it so much with Indy's why you don't keep them?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 08, 2020, 02:36:32 AM
About the Ace pop vs. other trucks, I feel like Aces take the longest to get used to. Ventures pop like magic every time. I used to ride Indys and switched to Aces for the turn but had a hard time adjusting to the pop feel. Skated a bit of Ventures too and felt like I could pop those much better than Indys instantly.

I don’t get the dead sound from Aces unless the kingpins are loose. Then they can sound really dead. I generally don’t care much how my board sounds though. I don’t need it to be noisy as fuck in every way.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HugeBodBoyle on January 08, 2020, 07:01:07 AM
Just put some Venture 5.8's on my board and so far they are pretty killer. They feel a little tight, but it's been cold. They do pop nicely and the grind is good, too. I'm a fan.

That is it. That's the post. Ventures are good trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on January 08, 2020, 07:21:52 AM
Quote from: Roisto on January 08, 2020, 02:36:32 AM
About the Ace pop vs. other trucks, I feel like Aces take the longest to get used to. Ventures pop like magic every time. I used to ride Indys and switched to Aces for the turn but had a hard time adjusting to the pop feel. Skated a bit of Ventures too and felt like I could pop those much better than Indys instantly.

I don’t get the dead sound from Aces unless the kingpins are loose. Then they can sound really dead. I generally don’t care much how my board sounds though. I don’t need it to be noisy as fuck in every way.

Maybe it's mental but when my brand new deck sounds like it's been sitting in water for a week or made of cardboard AND my pop isn't there... I can't get down with that, don't think that is something I will ever attempt to look past. When I set up a fresh board I expect that nice crisp pop sound when I am doing tricks. Board feels and sounds stiff, makes a difference for me. My bearings are a bit noisy and I want that crisp pop sound. By no means does it sound noisy as fuck.

To the point that with Ace if i was holding my board in my hand and I tapped my nose or tail on the concrete it would just adsorb, where with my Ventures it bounces off the concrete.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UPPERCASEnocap on January 08, 2020, 07:36:09 AM
Quote from: ShoeProblem on January 08, 2020, 07:01:07 AM
Just put some Venture 5.8's on my board and so far they are pretty killer. They feel a little tight, but it's been cold. They do pop nicely and the grind is good, too. I'm a fan.

That is it. That's the post. Ventures are good trucks.

Facts. If you want a little looser..replace the top washer with a bones washer. That top washer restricts the turn alot (for stability reasons) and binds on the hanger if you run them looser. Bones flat washer is the ticket if you want your ventures to turn a little better!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 08, 2020, 05:50:14 PM
Quote from: arrbee on January 08, 2020, 07:21:52 AM
Quote from: Roisto on January 08, 2020, 02:36:32 AM
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About the Ace pop vs. other trucks, I feel like Aces take the longest to get used to. Ventures pop like magic every time. I used to ride Indys and switched to Aces for the turn but had a hard time adjusting to the pop feel. Skated a bit of Ventures too and felt like I could pop those much better than Indys instantly.

I don’t get the dead sound from Aces unless the kingpins are loose. Then they can sound really dead. I generally don’t care much how my board sounds though. I don’t need it to be noisy as fuck in every way.
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Maybe it's mental but when my brand new deck sounds like it's been sitting in water for a week or made of cardboard AND my pop isn't there... I can't get down with that, don't think that is something I will ever attempt to look past. When I set up a fresh board I expect that nice crisp pop sound when I am doing tricks. Board feels and sounds stiff, makes a difference for me. My bearings are a bit noisy and I want that crisp pop sound. By no means does it sound noisy as fuck.

To the point that with Ace if i was holding my board in my hand and I tapped my nose or tail on the concrete it would just adsorb, where with my Ventures it bounces off the concrete.

Awesome description with this one man, few sets of Ace’s I’ve had over the years sounded precisely like that. I agree, when you set up a freshie you can really hear and feel that crisp snap and there’s something wrong if it’s not there right when you set it up. The sound=stoke. It’s not over the top, it’s just how it’s supposed to be.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 08, 2020, 06:38:08 PM
So what causes it? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chris. on January 08, 2020, 06:46:37 PM
I never did notice that with my Aces, so I just took two boards outside (one Ace, one Venture) and damn... I guess it’s gotta be the differences in the bottom of the baseplates?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UPPERCASEnocap on January 08, 2020, 07:02:03 PM
Quote from: chris. on January 08, 2020, 06:46:37 PM
I never did notice that with my Aces, so I just took two boards outside (one Ace, one Venture) and damn... I guess it’s gotta be the differences in the bottom of the baseplates?

My baseplates on my aces tore up quicker than usual from nose and tail slides. Truck feels different on grinds. My guess all this has to due with a different density metal. Aces are a bit softer I'm assuming.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 08, 2020, 07:09:16 PM
Had to pick up some new Riptides for my 6.1's.  These pivot cups are the only piece of skate gear that I never regret buying and improve the trucks 100% of the time.  Not to mention, they eliminate all squeaking

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49354151416_b81e9ae2a9_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49353700603_948b790f78_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 08, 2020, 07:22:15 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on January 08, 2020, 06:38:08 PM
So what causes it?

If you're asking about Aces and why they appear/feel/sound less crisp or deader or whatever word fits, it all has to do with the softness of the aluminum they use. They're considerably softer than Ermico and Indy stuff, which is also why they grind like butter, but the trade off is the resonance being kinda dull. It's the same concept you'd have with musical instruments, harder materials are sharper sounding, softer materials are more muffled. That's also going to translate into how they feel. Not too much to it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on January 08, 2020, 07:25:18 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 08, 2020, 07:22:15 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on January 08, 2020, 06:38:08 PM
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So what causes it?
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If you're asking about Aces and why they appear/feel/sound less crisp or deader or whatever word fits, it all has to do with the softness of the aluminum they use. They're considerably softer than Ermico and Indy stuff, which is also why they grind like butter, but the trade off is the resonance being kinda dull. It's the same concept you'd have with musical instruments, harder materials are sharper sounding, softer materials are more muffled. That's also going to translate into how they feel. Not too much to it.

I wonder how much affect it has on actual pop though. Generally a dead sounding board pops like shit, but if it’s brand new it may just be a placebo. This thread now has me considering taking my Aces off again, nice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 08, 2020, 07:37:28 PM
Quote from: texasplant on January 08, 2020, 07:25:18 PM
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So what causes it?
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If you're asking about Aces and why they appear/feel/sound less crisp or deader or whatever word fits, it all has to do with the softness of the aluminum they use. They're considerably softer than Ermico and Indy stuff, which is also why they grind like butter, but the trade off is the resonance being kinda dull. It's the same concept you'd have with musical instruments, harder materials are sharper sounding, softer materials are more muffled. That's also going to translate into how they feel. Not too much to it.
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I wonder how much affect it has on actual pop though. Generally a dead sounding board pops like shit, but if it’s brand new it may just be a placebo. This thread now has me considering taking my Aces off again, nice.

That I couldn't tell you. But I wouldn't rule out placebo effect. I'm sure the softness of aluminum makes a difference but I couldn't see it being anywhere near the difference between say, 92d vs 99d wheels, or a brand new deck vs a two month old deck. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on January 08, 2020, 07:43:01 PM
Quote from: texasplant on January 08, 2020, 07:25:18 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 08, 2020, 07:22:15 PM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on January 08, 2020, 06:38:08 PM
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So what causes it?
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If you're asking about Aces and why they appear/feel/sound less crisp or deader or whatever word fits, it all has to do with the softness of the aluminum they use. They're considerably softer than Ermico and Indy stuff, which is also why they grind like butter, but the trade off is the resonance being kinda dull. It's the same concept you'd have with musical instruments, harder materials are sharper sounding, softer materials are more muffled. That's also going to translate into how they feel. Not too much to it.
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I wonder how much affect it has on actual pop though. Generally a dead sounding board pops like shit, but if it’s brand new it may just be a placebo. This thread now has me considering taking my Aces off again, nice.

I’m out on Ace. Posted em for sale in the classified, practically new.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on January 08, 2020, 08:55:39 PM
The only deck I have skated ACE on so far is a lib tech with all the crazy inner layers of fiberglass and vertical laminates.  Other people comment how crisp it sounds — and feels if they try it. Now I’m curious how loud that deck would be with an Indy. Not curious enough to try - cuz I’m not giving up the grind and turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 08, 2020, 09:43:33 PM
This is interesting about the Ace pop sound. Maybe I should do a direct comparison with some other trucks I have. I do remember having loose kingpin Aces and popping on those made a thud-sound instead of a crisp snap until I fixed them.

I posted this earlier but Ace uses a completely different alloy than (most? all?) other trucks. Without heat treatment it's about the same hardness as the heat treated Indys/Thunders/Ventures and according to the Ace website only the axles are heat treated. This probably has an effect on many aspects of their performance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on January 08, 2020, 11:00:24 PM
Quote from: Roisto on January 08, 2020, 09:43:33 PM
This is interesting about the Ace pop sound. Maybe I should do a direct comparison with some other trucks I have. I do remember having loose kingpin Aces and popping on those made a thud-sound instead of a crisp snap until I fixed them.

I posted this earlier but Ace uses a completely different alloy than (most? all?) other trucks. Without heat treatment it's about the same hardness as the heat treated Indys/Thunders/Ventures and according to the Ace website only the axles are heat treated. This probably has an effect on many aspects of their performance.

Hmm maybe my kingpins are loose. Is the only way to check taking the hangar off? How would i go about fixing them, if so?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 08, 2020, 11:27:00 PM
I don't understand why a loose kingpin would make your board sound dead...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on January 08, 2020, 11:37:21 PM
I had one loose last summer and it drove me mad, like having a dead bearing, loose hardware and delaminated board at the same time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beatifk on January 08, 2020, 11:41:53 PM
I have been skating mostly Ace for several years and recently bought a set of Thunder to try out and I dislike the sound of them for the complete opposite reason. My board now sounds hollow and insignificant.

But who really cares about the sound if the board feels ok?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on January 09, 2020, 07:02:52 AM
Quote from: texasplant on January 08, 2020, 11:00:24 PM
Quote from: Roisto on January 08, 2020, 09:43:33 PM
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This is interesting about the Ace pop sound. Maybe I should do a direct comparison with some other trucks I have. I do remember having loose kingpin Aces and popping on those made a thud-sound instead of a crisp snap until I fixed them.

I posted this earlier but Ace uses a completely different alloy than (most? all?) other trucks. Without heat treatment it's about the same hardness as the heat treated Indys/Thunders/Ventures and according to the Ace website only the axles are heat treated. This probably has an effect on many aspects of their performance.
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Hmm maybe my kingpins are loose. Is the only way to check taking the hangar off? How would i go about fixing them, if so?

I can’t think of any other way. I fixed mine with some “steel epoxy”. I heard JB Weld is what is used in the US.

Quote from: j....soy..... on January 08, 2020, 11:27:00 PM
I don't understand why a loose kingpin would make your board sound dead...

This is a good question to which I don’t have a definite answer to. Maybe the loose kingpin absorbs the impact from the board hitting the ground making the pop sound less crispy? I’m just guessing here. 🤔
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 09, 2020, 01:35:46 PM
this idea has probably already been posted but i really like this truck setup.

Venture 6.1
Bones Hard top bushing
Thunder stock 92a roadside

on two bones hards, the stability was insane but the turn took all my lean and wouldnt max out at stock tightness. with the softer roadside bushing, i get more responsive turns and almost all the same amount of stability.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 10, 2020, 08:33:06 PM
Random helpful tip if anyone buys trucks that have a small to medium size spot where there’s a graphic or some sort of decal on it: razor blade for the main removal method and then a dry Mr Clean magic eraser to do a finishing polish and it will all vanish without a trace. Did it on my Theeve hanger where it says “TiAX” with the logo next to the letters. Was starting to bug me, looks much better fully raw.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 11, 2020, 06:26:50 AM
Have you found a way to get that pesky : theeve off the baseplate? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Heywoodfloyd on January 11, 2020, 07:02:45 AM
Quote from: Roisto on January 09, 2020, 07:02:52 AM
Quote from: texasplant on January 08, 2020, 11:00:24 PM
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Quote from: Roisto on January 08, 2020, 09:43:33 PM
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This is interesting about the Ace pop sound. Maybe I should do a direct comparison with some other trucks I have. I do remember having loose kingpin Aces and popping on those made a thud-sound instead of a crisp snap until I fixed them.

I posted this earlier but Ace uses a completely different alloy than (most? all?) other trucks. Without heat treatment it's about the same hardness as the heat treated Indys/Thunders/Ventures and according to the Ace website only the axles are heat treated. This probably has an effect on many aspects of their performance.
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Hmm maybe my kingpins are loose. Is the only way to check taking the hangar off? How would i go about fixing them, if so?
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I can’t think of any other way. I fixed mine with some “steel epoxy”. I heard JB Weld is what is used in the US.

Quote from: j....soy..... on January 08, 2020, 11:27:00 PM
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I don't understand why a loose kingpin would make your board sound dead...
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This is a good question to which I don’t have a definite answer to. Maybe the loose kingpin absorbs the impact from the board hitting the ground making the pop sound less crispy? I’m just guessing here. 🤔

Yeah, i think it has to do with resonance, the same principals that makes instruments like xylophones work, you strike the wooden blocks and they start to vibrate, creating sound. Loose kingpins and softer materials dampens the sound, the vibrations can't be transferd through the truck, or something like that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 11, 2020, 10:08:22 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on January 11, 2020, 06:26:50 AM
Have you found a way to get that pesky : theeve off the baseplate?

I don’t ever really see the “Theeve” in between the mounting nuts but I do frequently see the logo on the part in front of the kingpin and I admit I wish it wasn’t there, but that isn’t going away haha.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on January 11, 2020, 12:57:47 PM
What's the weight difference on Indy standards vs ace?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SkateDesign on January 11, 2020, 09:02:49 PM
I like magnesium Tensor trucks. The lightness helps you pop higher, so they're my favorite trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tuesday on January 12, 2020, 01:38:21 AM
regarding lightness: I don't understand why Thunder does not have 151 Titaniums. I would buy them in an instance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 12, 2020, 02:00:34 AM
Quote from: fang on January 11, 2020, 12:57:47 PM
What's the weight difference on Indy standards vs ace?

If you're talking 149's vs 44's they're basically the same. Around 388-390g per truck. Once Ace comes out with their 8.5" 55's I'm guessing they'll be closer to 400g or heavier with the beefed up hanger etc.

Edit: Weighed them again. My scale is accurate-ish (no decimal points, so take these with a grain of salt), weighed the Aces at 392-394g, Indy's at 398-400g. Can't tell a difference in the hand, unlike if you palm a Venture forged and an Indy cast, where it's very noticeable. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: freeclout on January 12, 2020, 07:39:31 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 08, 2020, 07:09:16 PM
Had to pick up some new Riptides for my 6.1's.  These pivot cups are the only piece of skate gear that I never regret buying and improve the trucks 100% of the time.  Not to mention, they eliminate all squeaking

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49354151416_b81e9ae2a9_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49353700603_948b790f78_z.jpg)

Just about to order some of these for my new Thunders. Never used Thunders before and they're feeling odd at the moment, even with 97a thunder bushings, coming from Ventures with Bone hards. Also looking to try some of the Riptide bushings too...
Any idea what riptide bushings work in Thunders best. Reckon i want 96a barrels on the bottom as i like a stable set up, especially at the back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chris. on January 12, 2020, 08:21:31 AM
Took of the recommendation of Ventures with stock bushings and Bones top washer and it feels fantastic.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on January 13, 2020, 12:47:56 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl5lcGVlFdL/

anybody try something like this?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on January 13, 2020, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: anon on January 13, 2020, 12:47:56 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl5lcGVlFdL/

anybody try something like this?

Is this someone skating 2 different trucks or was this to symbolize the exodus from indy to venture?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sadnocomply on January 13, 2020, 12:54:15 PM
Quote from: anon on January 13, 2020, 12:47:56 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl5lcGVlFdL/

anybody try something like this?

Ahhhh the good ol ventipendent ala indenture or simply vindy eh?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stets on January 13, 2020, 02:27:21 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 10, 2020, 08:33:06 PM
Random helpful tip if anyone buys trucks that have a small to medium size spot where there’s a graphic or some sort of decal on it: razor blade for the main removal method and then a dry Mr Clean magic eraser to do a finishing polish and it will all vanish without a trace. Did it on my Theeve hanger where it says “TiAX” with the logo next to the letters. Was starting to bug me, looks much better fully raw.

Scrubbing with acetone should do the trick too! Just make sure to do it in a ventilated area and wear some rubber gloves.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fuxxl on January 13, 2020, 02:44:05 PM
Hey Guys do you think I can use the baseplate of venture lows 5.25 with a venture lights 5.8 hanger to get a cast venture?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on January 13, 2020, 03:34:44 PM
Quote from: stets on January 13, 2020, 02:27:21 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 10, 2020, 08:33:06 PM
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Random helpful tip if anyone buys trucks that have a small to medium size spot where there’s a graphic or some sort of decal on it: razor blade for the main removal method and then a dry Mr Clean magic eraser to do a finishing polish and it will all vanish without a trace. Did it on my Theeve hanger where it says “TiAX” with the logo next to the letters. Was starting to bug me, looks much better fully raw.
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Scrubbing with acetone should do the trick too! Just make sure to do it in a ventilated area and wear some rubber gloves.

Have also had success with eucalyptus oil funnily enough.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on January 13, 2020, 04:35:39 PM
Quote from: anon on January 13, 2020, 12:47:56 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl5lcGVlFdL/

anybody try something like this?

Has science gone too far?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on January 13, 2020, 05:13:33 PM
Quote from: anon on January 13, 2020, 12:47:56 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl5lcGVlFdL/

anybody try something like this?
You mean skating Diadoras?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on January 13, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: Fuxxl on January 13, 2020, 02:44:05 PM
Hey Guys do you think I can use the baseplate of venture lows 5.25 with a venture lights 5.8 hanger to get a cast venture?
that's fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 13, 2020, 06:09:42 PM
Quote from: freeclout on January 12, 2020, 07:39:31 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 08, 2020, 07:09:16 PM
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Had to pick up some new Riptides for my 6.1's.  These pivot cups are the only piece of skate gear that I never regret buying and improve the trucks 100% of the time.  Not to mention, they eliminate all squeaking

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49354151416_b81e9ae2a9_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49353700603_948b790f78_z.jpg)
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Just about to order some of these for my new Thunders. Never used Thunders before and they're feeling odd at the moment, even with 97a thunder bushings, coming from Ventures with Bone hards. Also looking to try some of the Riptide bushings too...
Any idea what riptide bushings work in Thunders best. Reckon i want 96a barrels on the bottom as i like a stable set up, especially at the back.

I went through a long email chain with them on this very subject, they never had a real answer (which I took to mean nothing will).

Personally barrel bottoms on Thunders are meh, they just deaden the turn to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whenyousleep on January 13, 2020, 06:13:45 PM
5.2 low ventures with 88 supercush bushings and riptides for me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 13, 2020, 06:15:30 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on January 13, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: Fuxxl on January 13, 2020, 02:44:05 PM
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Hey Guys do you think I can use the baseplate of venture lows 5.25 with a venture lights 5.8 hanger to get a cast venture?
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that's fine.

Ehhh. Low baseplate is going to have a shorter kingpin than the 5.8 (which they only make in high's). Probably different geometry overall as well. You can always try and see what happens. If the hanger doesn't sit flat against the bottom bushing, or if the kingpin nut barely catches threads, probably not going to work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on January 13, 2020, 07:12:27 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 13, 2020, 06:15:30 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on January 13, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
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Hey Guys do you think I can use the baseplate of venture lows 5.25 with a venture lights 5.8 hanger to get a cast venture?
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that's fine.
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Ehhh. Low baseplate is going to have a shorter kingpin than the 5.8 (which they only make in high's). Probably different geometry overall as well. You can always try and see what happens. If the hanger doesn't sit flat against the bottom bushing, or if the kingpin nut barely catches threads, probably not going to work.

venture hi and venture low bushings are the same exactly height for both top and bottom if i remember correctly. i dont see why it wouldn't work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 13, 2020, 07:38:07 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on January 13, 2020, 07:12:27 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 13, 2020, 06:15:30 PM
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Hey Guys do you think I can use the baseplate of venture lows 5.25 with a venture lights 5.8 hanger to get a cast venture?
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that's fine.
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Ehhh. Low baseplate is going to have a shorter kingpin than the 5.8 (which they only make in high's). Probably different geometry overall as well. You can always try and see what happens. If the hanger doesn't sit flat against the bottom bushing, or if the kingpin nut barely catches threads, probably not going to work.
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venture hi and venture low bushings are the same exactly height for both top and bottom if i remember correctly. i dont see why it wouldn't work.

Yeah? Alright. Only have experience with the high's. If the bushings/kingpin are the same height I'd have to imagine a change in geometry is responsible for making them low. Which if that's the case, might be an issue running a high hanger. But if he has both, it wouldn't hurt anything to try.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: freeclout on January 13, 2020, 11:43:29 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 13, 2020, 06:09:42 PM
Quote from: freeclout on January 12, 2020, 07:39:31 AM
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Quote from: BMCsteve on January 08, 2020, 07:09:16 PM
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Had to pick up some new Riptides for my 6.1's.  These pivot cups are the only piece of skate gear that I never regret buying and improve the trucks 100% of the time.  Not to mention, they eliminate all squeaking

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49354151416_b81e9ae2a9_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49353700603_948b790f78_z.jpg)
[close]

Just about to order some of these for my new Thunders. Never used Thunders before and they're feeling odd at the moment, even with 97a thunder bushings, coming from Ventures with Bone hards. Also looking to try some of the Riptide bushings too...
Any idea what riptide bushings work in Thunders best. Reckon i want 96a barrels on the bottom as i like a stable set up, especially at the back.
[close]

I went through a long email chain with them on this very subject, they never had a real answer (which I took to mean nothing will).

Personally barrel bottoms on Thunders are meh, they just deaden the turn to me.


Cheers for reply..... Ordered the barrels and street cones anyway. I think I want to deaden the turn! At least get them to lean a little less at the extreme. Even with hard stock shape I can turn all the way til the washer hits the hanger and I'm not even that heavy. Don't wanna tighten them any more as they're already bulging.. I'll give them a go and im sure the pivots won't be a waste of time. The stock ones are squeaking like crazy at the moment.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 14, 2020, 06:09:29 AM
Quote from: palelight on January 13, 2020, 07:38:07 PM
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Hey Guys do you think I can use the baseplate of venture lows 5.25 with a venture lights 5.8 hanger to get a cast venture?
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that's fine.
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Ehhh. Low baseplate is going to have a shorter kingpin than the 5.8 (which they only make in high's). Probably different geometry overall as well. You can always try and see what happens. If the hanger doesn't sit flat against the bottom bushing, or if the kingpin nut barely catches threads, probably not going to work.
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venture hi and venture low bushings are the same exactly height for both top and bottom if i remember correctly. i dont see why it wouldn't work.
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Yeah? Alright. Only have experience with the high's. If the bushings/kingpin are the same height I'd have to imagine a change in geometry is responsible for making them low. Which if that's the case, might be an issue running a high hanger. But if he has both, it wouldn't hurt anything to try.

I've been under the impression that with this iteration of Ventures, the only difference low and high is the hanger. I'd be very curious to see cast plates from lows and highs side-by-side to see if it is actually the case.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MusclesMarinara on January 14, 2020, 09:03:29 AM
My go to is Indy 139 standards with aftermarket Indy 90a medium bushings, 8.25 board, 54mm wheels.

Was on a Thunder kick for the last year and had the wider 148s but didn't like the wider ride. Had to go back to 139 Indys after christmas.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sadnocomply on January 14, 2020, 09:08:24 AM
hey bois so i have a set of china titanium 144 indys still in the plastic, wondering if i should keep them or return them back to skatewarehouse. I have like 3 sets of trucks before I would have even busted these out haha it was an impulsive decision but my local sells them for $80 a pair and online I got them for $61 at skatewarehouse. It really was a no brainer, but I think I’m a venture guy now. Bobby’s part is the fuel to my fire in the morning for 8 months straight & prod and pj were some of my goats when I was little :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on January 14, 2020, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: sadnocomply on January 14, 2020, 09:08:24 AM
hey bois so i have a set of china titanium 144 indys still in the plastic, wondering if i should keep them or return them back to skatewarehouse. I have like 3 sets of trucks before I would have even busted these out haha it was an impulsive decision but my local sells them for $80 a pair and online I got them for $61 at skatewarehouse. It really was a no brainer, but I think I’m a venture guy now. Bobby’s part is the fuel to my fire in the morning for 8 months straight & prod and pj were some of my goats when I was little :)
marketing (https://i.imgur.com/wtyBDyL.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sadnocomply on January 14, 2020, 09:29:04 AM
the best marketing :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 14, 2020, 10:21:34 AM
Quote from: sadnocomply on January 14, 2020, 09:29:04 AM
the best marketing :)

Bobby's part literally stoked the Venture fire.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 14, 2020, 11:34:02 AM
Is there a Thunder shortage no one is talking about? Did they do a 'shop-run that depleted inventory online or something? Very little in the way of 147s/148s out there compared to the normal, hollow this, hollow that, ti, teams, etc. Trying to track down some 147 TIs lights and nothing...

Even the 149 selection seems a bit low...maybe Venture took over the foundry for a bit with Indy going to China, then boosted Venture? 161s taking up all the metals? :P
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on January 14, 2020, 02:43:06 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 14, 2020, 11:34:02 AM
Is there a Thunder shortage no one is talking about? Did they do a 'shop-run that depleted inventory online or something? Very little in the way of 147s/148s out there compared to the normal, hollow this, hollow that, ti, teames, etc. Trying to track down some 147 TIs lights and nothing...

Even the 149 selection seems a bit low...maybe Venture took over the foundry for a bit with Indy going to China, the boosted Venture? 161s taking up all the metals? :P

I've always thought Deluxe ran things pretty lean in general, but you must be onto something because the biggest online shops are often out of the exact trucks I go shopping for.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 14, 2020, 02:46:42 PM
Speaking of 161s, I'm yet to read a comprehensive review on here... anyone given these things a solid seeing to yet?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skatansfinest666 on January 14, 2020, 04:08:03 PM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on December 20, 2015, 06:50:08 AM
Im curious about how you guys set your trucks up, special methods, preferences and all that nerdy stuff.
 
Here's mine:
Thunder 147's riding 8.1-825 and 54 wheels
-replacement 100a Thunder bushings
-Bottom washers left out
-Front truck Flush( edit:perhaps the smallest tad under now) with some wobble
-Back truck 1-2 threads showing edit: correction, back truck is now barely over flush, loosened it when It got colder
-risers

Seriously can't complain about this set-up in anyway, for me its perfect, loose up front for quick turns and tighter in back stabilises on landings and at high speeds. The hard bushing and loose front works really well for me, best of both worlds.

So quick question...do ventures stretch the wheelbase further or shorter than thunders?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on January 14, 2020, 04:08:37 PM
Quote from: Skatansfinest666 on January 14, 2020, 04:08:03 PM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on December 20, 2015, 06:50:08 AM
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Im curious about how you guys set your trucks up, special methods, preferences and all that nerdy stuff.
 
Here's mine:
Thunder 147's riding 8.1-825 and 54 wheels
-replacement 100a Thunder bushings
-Bottom washers left out
-Front truck Flush( edit:perhaps the smallest tad under now) with some wobble
-Back truck 1-2 threads showing edit: correction, back truck is now barely over flush, loosened it when It got colder
-risers

Seriously can't complain about this set-up in anyway, for me its perfect, loose up front for quick turns and tighter in back stabilises on landings and at high speeds. The hard bushing and loose front works really well for me, best of both worlds.
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So quick question...do ventures stretch the wheelbase further or shorter than thunders?

further
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 14, 2020, 04:33:52 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 14, 2020, 02:46:42 PM
Speaking of 161s, I'm yet to read a comprehensive review on here... anyone given these things a solid seeing to yet?

I skated them for a month or so. It’s the Thunder experience that I was reminded of and I crossed them off my list. Quick turn at first and then not much after that. Can kinda feel carvy on flat but I’d still get bad wheelbite even with the 1/8” Thunder risers. I even had some aftermarket Venom conical shaped bushings that were harder than stock, like 94a with Bones flat washers.

At the indoor bowl they just didn’t perform well. Having to lift up my front truck frontside because they don’t have a geo/WB that allows you to keep all four wheels down and carve super deep. I guess they can work fine for low impact skaters who just cruise around and do slappies, but at such a wide size you’re better off with Indy if you want a more versatile truck.

I can see the appeal of Thunders for the tech/ledge/street skater because they are “sporty” for lack of a better term at how they perform but when it comes to transition/bowls they don’t perform at the level of Indy/Ace/Theeve.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 14, 2020, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 14, 2020, 11:34:02 AM
Is there a Thunder shortage no one is talking about? Did they do a 'shop-run that depleted inventory online or something? Very little in the way of 147s/148s out there compared to the normal, hollow this, hollow that, ti, teames, etc. Trying to track down some 147 TIs lights and nothing...

Even the 149 selection seems a bit low...maybe Venture took over the foundry for a bit with Indy going to China, the boosted Venture? 161s taking up all the metals? :P

149 polished titaniums are impossible to find
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 14, 2020, 07:38:19 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 14, 2020, 04:33:52 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 14, 2020, 02:46:42 PM
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Speaking of 161s, I'm yet to read a comprehensive review on here... anyone given these things a solid seeing to yet?
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I skated them for a month or so. It’s the Thunder experience that I was reminded of and I crossed them off my list. Quick turn at first and then not much after that. Can kinda feel carvy on flat but I’d still get bad wheelbite even with the 1/8” Thunder risers. I even had some aftermarket Venom conical shaped bushings that were harder than stock, like 94a with Bones flat washers.

At the indoor bowl they just didn’t perform well. Having to lift up my front truck frontside because they don’t have a geo/WB that allows you to keep all four wheels down and carve super deep. I guess they can work fine for low impact skaters who just cruise around and do slappies, but at such a wide size you’re better off with Indy if you want a more versatile truck.

I can see the appeal of Thunders for the tech/ledge/street skater because they are “sporty” for lack of a better term at how they perform but when it comes to transition/bowls they don’t perform at the level of Indy/Ace/Theeve.

Yeah, I read your initial thoughts when you first posted  them. Was hoping some others had additional feedback. I'm in the camp that feels Thunders can be great in transition. Never had a problem carving both ways on 151s but I ride 90a bushings and keep them loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 14, 2020, 07:53:19 PM
It sounds like you already know Thunders and like them? Grab some 161’s then, no need to wait for more reviews. Turn shouldn’t be much different than your 151’s, just more truck to grind.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 14, 2020, 08:01:44 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 14, 2020, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 14, 2020, 11:34:02 AM
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Is there a Thunder shortage no one is talking about? Did they do a 'shop-run that depleted inventory online or something? Very little in the way of 147s/148s out there compared to the normal, hollow this, hollow that, ti, teames, etc. Trying to track down some 147 TIs lights and nothing...

Even the 149 selection seems a bit low...maybe Venture took over the foundry for a bit with Indy going to China, the boosted Venture? 161s taking up all the metals? :P
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149 polished titaniums are impossible to find

SoCal seems to have the most Thunders of all the online shops...still odd that just about everyone is out of 147s.

Set of 149 Ti Polished Teams:
https://socalskateshop.com/Thunder-149-HI-Team-Polished-Titanium-Lights-Trucks.html
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 14, 2020, 08:04:36 PM
I should. I was just hoping for some convincing. They are reportedly a little higher. I was curious if that would impact the turn... While my local was waiting to get 161s I got inpatient and copped some 151s instead. I'm not sure Greta would allow me another new set of trucks just yet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 14, 2020, 08:21:10 PM
161’s gotta be heavier it only makes sense. You should just get some if you can afford it, that’s the only way you’re going to sleep better. It’s how the madness works. Making you toss and turn wondering how that width and weight difference will make or break your session...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 14, 2020, 09:48:21 PM
But can the planet afford it?

My madness aint as mad as Greta. I'm good for now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 14, 2020, 10:55:05 PM
gonna try thunder hangers on venture cast baseplates. dont know why they havent fixed the length of the stock baseplates yet, such an easy fix :-\
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on January 15, 2020, 05:56:21 AM
Quote from: off on January 14, 2020, 10:55:05 PM
gonna try thunder hangers on venture cast baseplates. dont know why they havent fixed the length of the stock baseplates yet, such an easy fix :-\

Mixing baseplates and hangars for any reason other than making a board for a kid or it's all you got... you're conjuring up bad energy here bud just wax the ledge more
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on January 15, 2020, 07:10:33 AM
Quote from: baustin on January 15, 2020, 05:56:21 AM
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gonna try thunder hangers on venture cast baseplates. dont know why they havent fixed the length of the stock baseplates yet, such an easy fix :-\
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Mixing baseplates and hangars for any reason other than making a board for a kid or it's all you got... you're conjuring up bad energy here bud just wax the ledge more
or chuck your thunders in the bin 8)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on January 15, 2020, 08:44:45 AM
Quote from: anon on January 15, 2020, 07:10:33 AM
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gonna try thunder hangers on venture cast baseplates. dont know why they havent fixed the length of the stock baseplates yet, such an easy fix :-\
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Mixing baseplates and hangars for any reason other than making a board for a kid or it's all you got... you're conjuring up bad energy here bud just wax the ledge more
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or chuck your thunders in the bin 8)

OR watch some Suciu, Ishod, Shane, or Gillette parts, to be instantly back on the KNOW CONTROL tip
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lord Quas on January 15, 2020, 09:26:23 AM
gonna be pullin' up on a Anti Hero Blue Meanie shape, 8.75x82.55 14.75WB. First, what fuckin' trucks do i get for this behemoth, never skated anything this big - i prefer Ace 44s as i float between 8.25/8.3.

Also, what brand of truck would be ideal to "shorten" the wheelbase? from what i understand (i'm a dumbass though) the geometry of some trucks can cause the effective wheelbase of some boards to shrink a bit, and im worried 14.75 might be too manly for me, even as a 6'3'' 200lbs dude.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on January 15, 2020, 09:30:54 AM
Quote from: Lord Quas on January 15, 2020, 09:26:23 AM
gonna be pullin' up on a Anti Hero Blue Meanie shape, 8.75x82.55 14.75WB. First, what fuckin' trucks do i get for this behemoth, never skated anything this big - i prefer Ace 44s as i float between 8.25/8.3.

Also, what brand of truck would be ideal to "shorten" the wheelbase? from what i understand (i'm a dumbass though) the geometry of some trucks can cause the effective wheelbase of some boards to shrink a bit, and im worried 14.75 might be too manly for me, even as a 6'3'' 200lbs dude.

I had that deck for a while and loved it.  I had it built with Indy 159s and that was the correct width for it - BUT - Indys have a little longer effective wheelbase than Ace.  Ace is coming out with an 8.75 truck this spring, but for now it may be better to run the current 55s on it.   It may hotrod a little, but that's your call as to whether you would prefer hotrod or a little longer wheelbase.

(https://moddriver.com/images/antihero-1.jpg)
(https://moddriver.com/images/antihero-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 15, 2020, 10:57:07 AM
Quote from: Lord Quas on January 15, 2020, 09:26:23 AM
gonna be pullin' up on a Anti Hero Blue Meanie shape, 8.75x82.55 14.75WB. First, what fuckin' trucks do i get for this behemoth, never skated anything this big - i prefer Ace 44s as i float between 8.25/8.3.

Also, what brand of truck would be ideal to "shorten" the wheelbase? from what i understand (i'm a dumbass though) the geometry of some trucks can cause the effective wheelbase of some boards to shrink a bit, and im worried 14.75 might be too manly for me, even as a 6'3'' 200lbs dude.

Ace 55s. My friend has that board with those trucks. Works real nice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chris. on January 15, 2020, 11:32:42 AM
Bought a Blue Meanie and fresh Ace 55’s last wonder and I really loved that set-up.  Have since gone back down to smaller boards but I still rock my 55s on 8.5s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 15, 2020, 03:11:34 PM
Yeah, anything shapes 55's, 44's are more or less just 148's.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on January 15, 2020, 03:15:16 PM
Quote from: off on January 14, 2020, 10:55:05 PM
gonna try thunder hangers on venture cast baseplates. dont know why they havent fixed the length of the stock baseplates yet, such an easy fix :-\

I kinda get why the baseplate is short. Whenever I was trying tailslides with ventures, the corner of the baseplate would catch onto the ledge and fuck me up. I don't have that same problem with thunders. You just gotta wax the side of the ledge more with thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on January 15, 2020, 03:17:55 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on January 15, 2020, 03:15:16 PM
Quote from: off on January 14, 2020, 10:55:05 PM
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gonna try thunder hangers on venture cast baseplates. dont know why they havent fixed the length of the stock baseplates yet, such an easy fix :-\
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I kinda get why the baseplate is short. Whenever I was trying tailslides with ventures, the corner of the baseplate would catch onto the ledge and fuck me up. I don't have that same problem with thunders. You just gotta wax the side of the ledge more with thunders.

I never noticed this, but after about a week your baseplate should be slightly rounded off with the corners not as pronounced and it should be okay.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on January 16, 2020, 09:26:18 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on January 15, 2020, 03:17:55 PM
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gonna try thunder hangers on venture cast baseplates. dont know why they havent fixed the length of the stock baseplates yet, such an easy fix :-\
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I kinda get why the baseplate is short. Whenever I was trying tailslides with ventures, the corner of the baseplate would catch onto the ledge and fuck me up. I don't have that same problem with thunders. You just gotta wax the side of the ledge more with thunders.
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I never noticed this, but after about a week your baseplate should be slightly rounded off with the corners not as pronounced and it should be okay.

I've always thought the short Thunder baseplate to be an advantage on the chunkier or more rounded ledges. Lets you get more tail or nose up on the ledge and keeps from having the metal dig in and stop you from sliding. At skateparks though, it can be an annoyance without extra wax.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 16, 2020, 03:45:12 PM
Switched to ventures from ace. Ive had like 3 real sessions and ive hit a few hills.

I made the right choice.
There just wasn't any 44s at my shop.
I got kicked down indys at home but im just not feeling them these days. The 139 i bought when i came back to the ledges are nice. Ill definitely ride them again soon but im really really feeling the ventures hi 5.6.

This is going to be my main truck i think. Maybe not in the bowl though.

The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on January 16, 2020, 04:52:05 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on January 16, 2020, 03:45:12 PM
The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
Business & Company
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on January 16, 2020, 05:16:08 PM
Quote from: anon on January 16, 2020, 04:52:05 PM
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The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
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Business & Company
Girl chocolate, primitive
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 16, 2020, 05:29:08 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on January 16, 2020, 05:16:08 PM
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The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
[close]
Business & Company
[close]
Girl chocolate, primitive
April
cheap Darkstar wood
Flip Berger?
Zero?
Polar -> 14 1/8"
FA -> 14.12"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 16, 2020, 06:27:19 PM
Quote from: anon on January 16, 2020, 04:52:05 PM
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The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
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Business & Company

thank you
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on January 17, 2020, 04:45:00 AM
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The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
[close]
Business & Company
[close]
Girl chocolate, primitive
[close]
April
cheap Darkstar wood
Flip Berger?
Zero?
Polar -> 14 1/8"
FA -> 14.12"

I think aws has some sub 14.25 wheel bases and on BBS
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 17, 2020, 07:41:34 AM
Quote from: Murge on January 17, 2020, 04:45:00 AM
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The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
[close]
Business & Company
[close]
Girl chocolate, primitive
[close]
April
cheap Darkstar wood
Flip Berger?
Zero?
Polar -> 14 1/8"
FA -> 14.12"
[close]

I think aws has some sub 14.25 wheel bases and on BBS

adding evisen and blood wizard to the 8.25 w/ 14 wb list
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 17, 2020, 08:37:44 AM
Quote from: off on January 17, 2020, 07:41:34 AM
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The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
[close]
Business & Company
[close]
Girl chocolate, primitive
[close]
April
cheap Darkstar wood
Flip Berger?
Zero?
Polar -> 14 1/8"
FA -> 14.12"
[close]

I think aws has some sub 14.25 wheel bases and on BBS
[close]

adding evisen and blood wizard to the 8.25 w/ 14 wb list

thats nhs though right?

Im not fucking with them period.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 17, 2020, 10:04:59 AM
(https://i.imgflip.com/3mf8iw.jpg) (https://imgflip.com/i/3mf8iw)via Imgflip Meme Generator (https://imgflip.com/memegenerator)

i know its not a great example but i do believe this was the first thunder TEAM low.

It was ok. Bad era
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 17, 2020, 11:28:24 AM
Quote from: off on January 17, 2020, 07:41:34 AM
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The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
[close]
Business & Company
[close]
Girl chocolate, primitive
[close]
April
cheap Darkstar wood
Flip Berger?
Zero?
Polar -> 14 1/8"
FA -> 14.12"
[close]

I think aws has some sub 14.25 wheel bases and on BBS
[close]

adding evisen and blood wizard to the 8.25 w/ 14 wb list

+Primitive (long tails tho)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: freeclout on January 17, 2020, 12:44:13 PM
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Had to pick up some new Riptides for my 6.1's.  These pivot cups are the only piece of skate gear that I never regret buying and improve the trucks 100% of the time.  Not to mention, they eliminate all squeaking

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49354151416_b81e9ae2a9_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49353700603_948b790f78_z.jpg)
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Just about to order some of these for my new Thunders. Never used Thunders before and they're feeling odd at the moment, even with 97a thunder bushings, coming from Ventures with Bone hards. Also looking to try some of the Riptide bushings too...
Any idea what riptide bushings work in Thunders best. Reckon i want 96a barrels on the bottom as i like a stable set up, especially at the back.
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I went through a long email chain with them on this very subject, they never had a real answer (which I took to mean nothing will).

Personally barrel bottoms on Thunders are meh, they just deaden the turn to me.

Got the pivots and no more squeaky trucks. Also went for some krank barrels and short cones in 96a. They feel a lot firmer than 100a thunder bushings. They do deaden the turn but that just means it stops the wheelbite and let's me firm up the back truck nicely ( I'm too old and lazy for loose trucks!). I put a softer thunder cone up front and the board is turning just how i like it. I'd been on ventures with bones and this feels about as close as I'm gonna get with thunders. Bushing shape sure seems to make a lot of difference to how trucks feel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 17, 2020, 03:28:35 PM
Swapped the venture top for a bones med.

It solved all temperature issues.

I feel like bones should make just top bushings available.
I have found i like stock barrels with a cracked bones top
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 17, 2020, 04:36:00 PM
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The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
[close]
Business & Company
[close]
Girl chocolate, primitive
[close]
April
cheap Darkstar wood
Flip Berger?
Zero?
Polar -> 14 1/8"
FA -> 14.12"
[close]

I think aws has some sub 14.25 wheel bases and on BBS
[close]

adding evisen and blood wizard to the 8.25 w/ 14 wb list
[close]

thats nhs though right?

Im not fucking with them period.
Evisen is thru DSM, they make decks for NHS too. Wood might not use epoxy resin like Dwindle does
Blood Wizard Is BBS?
Was wrong on Zero. Checked their site and it says 14.25"
Santa Cruz has a 8.25" with 14.1875" wb
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 17, 2020, 04:40:23 PM
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The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
[close]
Business & Company
[close]
Girl chocolate, primitive
[close]
April
cheap Darkstar wood
Flip Berger?
Zero?
Polar -> 14 1/8"
FA -> 14.12"
[close]

I think aws has some sub 14.25 wheel bases and on BBS
[close]

adding evisen and blood wizard to the 8.25 w/ 14 wb list
[close]

thats nhs though right?

Im not fucking with them period.
[close]
Evisen is thru DSM, they make decks for NHS too. Wood might not use epoxy resin like Dwindle does
Blood Wizard Is BBS?
Was wrong on Zero. Checked their site and it says 14.25"
Santa Cruz has a 8.25" with 14.1875" wb

Business & Company, Magenta, and Primitive all have 8.25" x 14"wb if you want BBS. They might not have every brand listed, but you can usually get a good idea of what brand offers what size through SPoT's site.
http://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/cz.aspx?ID=1
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 17, 2020, 06:02:46 PM
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The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
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Business & Company
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Girl chocolate, primitive
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April
cheap Darkstar wood
Flip Berger?
Zero?
Polar -> 14 1/8"
FA -> 14.12"
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I think aws has some sub 14.25 wheel bases and on BBS
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adding evisen and blood wizard to the 8.25 w/ 14 wb list
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thats nhs though right?

Im not fucking with them period.
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Evisen is thru DSM, they make decks for NHS too. Wood might not use epoxy resin like Dwindle does
Blood Wizard Is BBS?
Was wrong on Zero. Checked their site and it says 14.25"
Santa Cruz has a 8.25" with 14.1875" wb
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Business & Company, Magenta, and Primitive all have 8.25" x 14"wb if you want BBS. They might not have every brand listed, but you can usually get a good idea of what brand offers what size through SPoT's site.
http://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/cz.aspx?ID=1

good stuff
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 17, 2020, 06:38:43 PM
Yeah, thanks. I haven't looked at their site in a long time.
They list a Palace deck..
And Doomsayers 8.28"
What are Magenta's shapes like? Fuller noses?


https://socalskateshop.com/Skateboard-Decks.html
I've been using this site cuz you can filter by width and wb
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 17, 2020, 06:40:51 PM
Quote from: satan on January 17, 2020, 06:38:43 PM
Yeah, thanks. I haven't looked at their site in a long time.
They list a Palace deck..
And Doomsayers 8.28"
What are Magenta's shapes like? Fuller noses?


https://socalskateshop.com/Skateboard-Decks.html
I've been using this site cuz you can filter by width and wb

Nah, Magenta's are pretty traditionally shaped. Like a standard DLX board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 17, 2020, 09:06:50 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 17, 2020, 06:40:51 PM
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Yeah, thanks. I haven't looked at their site in a long time.
They list a Palace deck..
And Doomsayers 8.28"
What are Magenta's shapes like? Fuller noses?


https://socalskateshop.com/Skateboard-Decks.html
I've been using this site cuz you can filter by width and wb
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Nah, Magenta's are pretty traditionally shaped. Like a standard DLX board.
Aah. Too bad. I think that's one of the easier companies for me to get locally.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 17, 2020, 09:30:46 PM
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Yeah, thanks. I haven't looked at their site in a long time.
They list a Palace deck..
And Doomsayers 8.28"
What are Magenta's shapes like? Fuller noses?


https://socalskateshop.com/Skateboard-Decks.html
I've been using this site cuz you can filter by width and wb
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Nah, Magenta's are pretty traditionally shaped. Like a standard DLX board.
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Aah. Too bad. I think that's one of the easier companies for me to get locally.

They do a squared off 8.25 shape. It looks sort of like the Polar Arigato/P2 but I don't have any experience with that one. 
http://www.empire-leshop.com/skate-magenta-skateboard,us,4,Magenta_leo_valls_8_25.cfm

Anyway, I'll stop posting about this stuff here though, lest the truck thread get any more convoluted. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 17, 2020, 09:33:56 PM
Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 17, 2020, 09:46:36 PM
Quote from: satan on January 17, 2020, 09:33:56 PM
Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.

I treat it like shoes. Get the axle to fit the board. If you're in between sizes, go to the next biggest available truck, i.e 8.3 = 149, 8.6 = 159. Never saw the appeal of over-wide trucks, but I'm also not hitting rails, so...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 17, 2020, 11:10:03 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 17, 2020, 09:46:36 PM
Quote from: satan on January 17, 2020, 09:33:56 PM
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Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.
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I treat it like shoes. Get the axle to fit the board. If you're in between sizes, go to the next biggest available truck, i.e 8.3 = 149, 8.6 = 159. Never saw the appeal of over-wide trucks, but I'm also not hitting rails, so...
I'm the same way, don't wanna hotrod, but I'm ok with a lil magic carpet ride.

I should have been more specific. I'm thinking of get 2 sets of trucks for 2 different setups.
And it's a pretty good deal so I wanna jump on it.
149's for a 8.5-8.6 popsicle, maybe use em on a 8.75 pop.
159's for a shaped +9", could also use on 8.75 pop.

Ti looks about 15g lighter for both sizes
Forged are ~12-14g lighter than cast
Ti -> forged -> cast is like a 1-2oz change to overall weight
Could do 2mm bigger wheels and not have the weight penalty?
I've really been overthinking this..

What's a complete weigh? Or a deck?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on January 18, 2020, 10:11:14 AM
Quote from: satan on January 17, 2020, 11:10:03 PM
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Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.
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I treat it like shoes. Get the axle to fit the board. If you're in between sizes, go to the next biggest available truck, i.e 8.3 = 149, 8.6 = 159. Never saw the appeal of over-wide trucks, but I'm also not hitting rails, so...
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I'm the same way, don't wanna hotrod, but I'm ok with a lil magic carpet ride.

I should have been more specific. I'm thinking of get 2 sets of trucks for 2 different setups.
And it's a pretty good deal so I wanna jump on it.
149's for a 8.5-8.6 popsicle, maybe use em on a 8.75 pop.
159's for a shaped +9", could also use on 8.75 pop.

Ti looks about 15g lighter for both sizes
Forged are ~12-14g lighter than cast
Ti -> forged -> cast is like a 1-2oz change to overall weight
Could do 2mm bigger wheels and not have the weight penalty?
I've really been overthinking this..

What's a complete weigh? Or a deck?

Good questions (weight of an average complete/deck)

I will ride fairly ‘extreme’ set ups: 9+ shaped, 159s etc and then 7.5 5.0 lo, 50mm....so you know, like a crazy person.
159 Indy’s ‘feel’ great. They aren’t as much fun for me to skate. It’s just big. I like to ollie etc.
I was doing the wide trucks thing, in relation to deck width, and I’m not sure it was all of that helpful. Felt cool, looked cool, skated wack. Got sore quicker too.
Sounds like you are locked in. It’s fun to have set up options. I spend more time on the equipment than the skating, which is really not cool.
I would skate 149s from 8.125-8.8 without too much trouble/same amount of trouble as skateboards always give me.
I did have some really awesome sessions on 8.25 159s but I think that was wheelbase related.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 18, 2020, 11:28:33 AM
Quote from: satan on January 17, 2020, 09:33:56 PM
Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.

I prefer trucks tucked in/narrower than the board.

8.5" Deck I'd ride 8.25"/8.38" trucks

8.75" deck/8.5" trucks.

The bigger the board = lighter my truck and thinner wheel preference increases
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: weedgod94 on January 18, 2020, 05:39:10 PM
Quote from: satan on January 17, 2020, 09:33:56 PM
Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.
I'd get 149s because 8.38" is the best deck size, whichever ones don't make the wheelbase bigger.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 18, 2020, 07:25:26 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 18, 2020, 11:28:33 AM
Quote from: satan on January 17, 2020, 09:33:56 PM
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Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.
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I prefer trucks tucked in/narrower than the board.

8.5" Deck I'd ride 8.25"/8.38" trucks

8.75" deck/8.5" trucks.

The bigger the board = lighter my truck and thinner wheel preference increases

i agree. Way less chance of landing primo ive found.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 19, 2020, 07:37:47 PM
if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on January 19, 2020, 07:59:45 PM
Quote from: off on January 19, 2020, 07:37:47 PM
if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar

They are quite similar, but still have small differences. I don't have both right now, but Thunders have a twitcher, and more responsive turn which also results in more wheelbite whereas Ventures turn is to me like a slightly slower Indy. Ventures also seem a little bit more stable when setting up for tricks in awkward ish positions. I don't like how the wheels slide on the side of the ledge for tail and noseslides on Thunders but its fine if the ledge is slick, and I prefer the kingpin clearance of ventures for smith grind variations. Some people seem to say Ventures are a bit harder and don't grind as nice as Thunders and Indys, it might be true. I believe Thunder is working on an inverted kingpin truck, no idea if and when it will go into production though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 19, 2020, 08:09:28 PM
Quote from: off on January 19, 2020, 07:37:47 PM
if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar

Had some Thunders, now on the Venture bandwagon. I think they pop pretty similar (probably because the wheelbase on the cast versions are really close), but the similarities end there for me. I cant trust Thunders, I ate shit pushing from wheelbite. They stay centered but as soon as you want to turn it's like the knob is on 10. I respect anyone who can make them work, but I just find Ventures way more stable throughout and the lack of wheelbite is nice, even it comes at the cost of slower turning.

TLDR: I think they'd work on similar setups if you're talking about wheelbase and steepness of a deck. Beyond that it's preference in how they turn/feel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 19, 2020, 08:24:41 PM
Thunder is not what it was in the 90s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 19, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on January 19, 2020, 08:24:41 PM
Thunder is not what it was in the 90s.

Check your pm's dude. Messaged you the other day.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on January 19, 2020, 09:00:35 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on January 19, 2020, 07:59:45 PM
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if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar
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They are quite similar, but still have small differences. I don't have both right now, but Thunders have a twitcher, and more responsive turn which also results in more wheelbite whereas Ventures turn is to me like a slightly slower Indy. Ventures also seem a little bit more stable when setting up for tricks in awkward ish positions. I don't like how the wheels slide on the side of the ledge for tail and noseslides on Thunders but its fine if the ledge is slick, and I prefer the kingpin clearance of ventures for smith grind variations. Some people seem to say Ventures are a bit harder and don't grind as nice as Thunders and Indys, it might be true. I believe Thunder is working on an inverted kingpin truck, no idea if and when it will go into production though.

Been in the Thunder camp for a few months now coming from Ventures (from way back when 7.5 was a normal board size), then Indy for a hot minute. It's been said a million times but it's all in the WB. Thunders pop the best for me by far; Indys made the nose too light and I couldn't control the pop when trying to hop up ledges. They are the most "standard" truck, a "plain white bread", "dick in the vagina" type of truck. I've recently got a pair of Venture in Hi and Lo, keen to try those out on my next setup.

I would like Thunder a whole lot more if they fixed the base plate positioning, which is what I hear the new Tensor Maglight ATGs have done while maintaining a similar WB and geometry.

Makes me wonder if Tensor suddenly had a spike in their Maglight sales thanks to us going on about them over the past few months.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 19, 2020, 09:18:53 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 19, 2020, 08:09:28 PM
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if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar
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Had some Thunders, now on the Venture bandwagon. I think they pop pretty similar (probably because the wheelbase on the cast versions are really close), but the similarities end there for me. I cant trust Thunders, I ate shit pushing from wheelbite. They stay centered but as soon as you want to turn it's like the knob is on 10. I respect anyone who can make them work, but I just find Ventures way more stable throughout and the lack of wheelbite is nice, even it comes at the cost of slower turning.

TLDR: I think they'd work on similar setups if you're talking about wheelbase and steepness of a deck. Beyond that it's preference in how they turn/feel.

yeah it really seems like its either you like one or the other. definitely gonna be hard to choose between the two. i like the pop, manual point, weight, and transition feel with thunders. the stability for ventures is in a tier by itself, but im still not used to everything else it has to offer. wish it wasnt so shit outside so i can really put them to the test
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 19, 2020, 09:21:14 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on January 19, 2020, 09:00:35 PM
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if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar
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They are quite similar, but still have small differences. I don't have both right now, but Thunders have a twitcher, and more responsive turn which also results in more wheelbite whereas Ventures turn is to me like a slightly slower Indy. Ventures also seem a little bit more stable when setting up for tricks in awkward ish positions. I don't like how the wheels slide on the side of the ledge for tail and noseslides on Thunders but its fine if the ledge is slick, and I prefer the kingpin clearance of ventures for smith grind variations. Some people seem to say Ventures are a bit harder and don't grind as nice as Thunders and Indys, it might be true. I believe Thunder is working on an inverted kingpin truck, no idea if and when it will go into production though.
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Been in the Thunder camp for a few months now coming from Ventures (from way back when 7.5 was a normal board size), then Indy for a hot minute. It's been said a million times but it's all in the WB. Thunders pop the best for me by far; Indys made the nose too light and I couldn't control the pop when trying to hop up ledges. They are the most "standard" truck, a "plain white bread", "dick in the vagina" type of truck. I've recently got a pair of Venture in Hi and Lo, keen to try those out on my next setup.

I would like Thunder a whole lot more if they fixed the base plate positioning, which is what I hear the new Tensor Maglight ATGs have done while maintaining a similar WB and geometry.

Makes me wonder if Tensor suddenly had a spike in their Maglight sales thanks to us going on about them over the past few months.

im eyeing the 8.5 axle maglights for an 8.75 setup. the weight savings look really promising
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on January 19, 2020, 09:42:41 PM
Quote from: off on January 19, 2020, 07:37:47 PM
if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar
I own both, definitely prefer venture over thunder. the turn feels kinda similar but ventures are taller and seem to turn a little deeper because of that. better kingpin clearance too. coming from Indys it was easier to adjust to ventures over thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on January 20, 2020, 05:45:14 AM
Quote from: Weezil on January 19, 2020, 09:42:41 PM
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if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar
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I own both, definitely prefer venture over thunder. the turn feels kinda similar but ventures are taller and seem to turn a little deeper because of that. better kingpin clearance too. coming from Indys it was easier to adjust to ventures over thunders.

I've enjoyed both but I always seem to come back to Thunder because I just have more fun on them despite the wheelbite. The one thing I get annoyed at with Ventures is they feel clunky on flip tricks for me whereas Thunders feel very nimble.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on January 20, 2020, 10:39:06 AM
2 months in and my front riptide pivot cup is dead >:(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 20, 2020, 11:06:43 AM
Quote from: baustin on January 20, 2020, 05:45:14 AM
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if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar
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I own both, definitely prefer venture over thunder. the turn feels kinda similar but ventures are taller and seem to turn a little deeper because of that. better kingpin clearance too. coming from Indys it was easier to adjust to ventures over thunders.
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I've enjoyed both but I always seem to come back to Thunder because I just have more fun on them despite the wheelbite. The one thing I get annoyed at with Ventures is they feel clunky on flip tricks for me whereas Thunders feel very nimble.

Thunders are usually my default 'wtf should I ride' trucks. Even tho I don't enjoy them on tranny (wheelbite) and since I ride super loose (wheelbite) but I love the twitchy response and pop, they're also light and trim. I don't have any on hand anymore or would have switched to them after I picked up some ventures.

Ventures...well they just don't move fast enough for me when I want them to (again I ride loose) and I still get wheelbite :P

I agree that shifty from indy to venture is easier than indy to thunder. Truth be told, if you have a manual or ledge game, Ventures are your jam. That said: Westgate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 20, 2020, 11:14:37 AM
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: weedgod94 on January 20, 2020, 12:30:45 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on January 20, 2020, 11:14:37 AM
look at this Jacked up cruiser my sister was riding around lol
My best friend had this same board but in Gold. What a throwback lmao
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 20, 2020, 04:29:39 PM
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Gonna need pics of your sis now. Gotta put a face to that board  ;)
Could you get her to pose with it for the bam thread?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 20, 2020, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: anon on January 20, 2020, 10:39:06 AM
2 months in and my front riptide pivot cup is dead >:(
Bummer. Makes me a lil worried about how long mine will last.
What trucks are you rocking?
Doing stuff like hours of frontside slappies daily?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 20, 2020, 04:42:51 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on January 18, 2020, 07:25:26 PM
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Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.
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I prefer trucks tucked in/narrower than the board.

8.5" Deck I'd ride 8.25"/8.38" trucks

8.75" deck/8.5" trucks.

The bigger the board = lighter my truck and thinner wheel preference increases
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i agree. Way less chance of landing primo ive found.
In case anyone was curious the skate gods decided for me, shop sold out of Ti 159's.
I got 149 Ti and 159 forged hollow.
$85 shipped. Did I get a good deal?


Idk about the odds of landing primo increasing but my take on axle/deck width and primos is..
Even widths, you might land primo and stick it. Sounds scary but it's not too bad.
Wider trucks than deck and it's gonna go dark side when you land primo. Not fun at speed.
Narrower would flop to the wheels from primo. Lil scary but you might slop it out and roll away.

Wider trucks for ledging is nice but I get distracted by those shiny axle nuts and just can't deal.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on January 20, 2020, 06:23:12 PM
Quote from: satan on January 20, 2020, 04:32:01 PM
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2 months in and my front riptide pivot cup is dead >:(
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Bummer. Makes me a lil worried about how long mine will last.
What trucks are you rocking?
Doing stuff like hours of frontside slappies daily?
ace. it may be the geometry that lends itself to this issue with any pivot cup
i just like to turn a lot. but yeah, slappies are fun
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 20, 2020, 06:53:29 PM
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2 months in and my front riptide pivot cup is dead >:(
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Bummer. Makes me a lil worried about how long mine will last.
What trucks are you rocking?
Doing stuff like hours of frontside slappies daily?
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ace. it may be the geometry that lends itself to this issue with any pivot cup
i just like to turn a lot. but yeah, slappies are fun

No surprise there really, trucks fault, not the cups.

What rev ACE? I thought the last one supposedly tweaked the pivot for this very reason.

Fuck, even Theeve got their shit correct a few revs in...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 20, 2020, 07:49:06 PM
Quote from: satan on January 20, 2020, 04:29:39 PM
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Gonna need pics of your sis now. Gotta put a face to that board  ;)
Could you get her to pose with it for the bam thread?

maybe lol.

I think shes on tour rn.

Ill look for a recent pick.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 20, 2020, 08:17:18 PM
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my sweet pea. They are 21 years younger than i. I got to help take care of her every day.

We are legacy in fuckin punk ked.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on January 20, 2020, 10:04:29 PM
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2 months in and my front riptide pivot cup is dead >:(
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Bummer. Makes me a lil worried about how long mine will last.
What trucks are you rocking?
Doing stuff like hours of frontside slappies daily?
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ace. it may be the geometry that lends itself to this issue with any pivot cup
i just like to turn a lot. but yeah, slappies are fun
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No surprise there really, trucks fault, not the cups.

What rev ACE? I thought the last one supposedly tweaked the pivot for this very reason.

Fuck, even Theeve got their shit correct a few revs in...
latest ones, with the texture. the pivot cups didn't even break in. they were really snug
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 20, 2020, 10:17:22 PM
Quote from: anon on January 20, 2020, 10:04:29 PM
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2 months in and my front riptide pivot cup is dead >:(
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Bummer. Makes me a lil worried about how long mine will last.
What trucks are you rocking?
Doing stuff like hours of frontside slappies daily?
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ace. it may be the geometry that lends itself to this issue with any pivot cup
i just like to turn a lot. but yeah, slappies are fun
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No surprise there really, trucks fault, not the cups.

What rev ACE? I thought the last one supposedly tweaked the pivot for this very reason.

Fuck, even Theeve got their shit correct a few revs in...
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latest ones, with the texture. the pivot cups didn't even break in. they were really snug

Can't recall, what led to the pivot cups blowing out in the earlier models? Was it just shitty materials or something to do with the angle/depth?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on January 21, 2020, 03:30:27 PM
finally got a dry day even though it was cold as fuck and got the itch to skate. recently got some bones bushings because I heard they don't freeze up too bad when it's cold. tried them in a pair of spent indy 144 I had lying around, turned great but felt like it made the pop suck, figured I'd fuck around and put a pair of venture 5.8s on my board and just skate them and slipped both axles. so fucking bummed, had heelflips dialed in and nollie back 180s nice and popped today too. made my shit skate like a Walmart board though it was so bad, happened last time I had them on my board but I thought it was just cold weather or something.

back to indy I guess, I'll give these aces one more shot. bummed on the ventures though, was really loving them, but not really sold on buying another pair.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 21, 2020, 03:37:38 PM
Quote from: Weezil on January 21, 2020, 03:30:27 PM
finally got a dry day even though it was cold as fuck and got the itch to skate. recently got some bones bushings because I heard they don't freeze up too bad when it's cold. tried them in a pair of spent indy 144 I had lying around, turned great but felt like it made the pop suck, figured I'd fuck around and put a pair of venture 5.8s on my board and just skate them and slipped both axles. so fucking bummed, had heelflips dialed in and nollie back 180s nice and popped today too. made my shit skate like a Walmart board though it was so bad, happened last time I had them on my board but I thought it was just cold weather or something.

back to indy I guess, I'll give these aces one more shot. bummed on the ventures though, was really loving them, but not really sold on buying another pair.

bitter bushings if they still exists. They're Canadian so you know theyre good.

I dont know what to say about the axles. Venture is not known for slipping axles. Quite the opposite actually.

I remember we all stopped fucking with indy over slipping axles. The feather lite and the gk truck was the first i think to guarantee no axle bite.

Send them in?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on January 21, 2020, 03:47:59 PM
Sent an email from the dlx website, skated indy forever and maybe had it only happen on only 1 or 2 pairs. every time I've jumped ship it's been a nightmare, but this is the first pair of trucks I've actually felt my skating improve a little bit so I'm a little torn, I'm really liking the geometry. skater or the gear kind of situation. Good to know it's not a brand trait though, I've never slipped both axles on a brand new pair of trucks so I was like damn what do. Love dlx but haven't had the best time with their trucks, just the wheels and boards, always loved the look of ventures and thunders though. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on January 21, 2020, 06:07:05 PM
Quote from: satan on January 20, 2020, 04:42:51 PM
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Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.
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I prefer trucks tucked in/narrower than the board.

8.5" Deck I'd ride 8.25"/8.38" trucks

8.75" deck/8.5" trucks.

The bigger the board = lighter my truck and thinner wheel preference increases
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i agree. Way less chance of landing primo ive found.
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In case anyone was curious the skate gods decided for me, shop sold out of Ti 159's.
I got 149 Ti and 159 forged hollow.
$85 shipped. Did I get a good deal?

I would say 85 for two pairs of trucks with one being ti is pretty good
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 21, 2020, 06:14:38 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on January 21, 2020, 06:07:05 PM
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Quote from: Xen on January 18, 2020, 11:28:33 AM
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Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.
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I prefer trucks tucked in/narrower than the board.

8.5" Deck I'd ride 8.25"/8.38" trucks

8.75" deck/8.5" trucks.

The bigger the board = lighter my truck and thinner wheel preference increases
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i agree. Way less chance of landing primo ive found.
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In case anyone was curious the skate gods decided for me, shop sold out of Ti 159's.
I got 149 Ti and 159 forged hollow.
$85 shipped. Did I get a good deal?

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I would say 85 for two pairs of trucks with one being ti is pretty good
Yeah. I was just teasing. Thanks for finally noticing :'(
Ti for $50. Forged $32. Standard $27
Thundera ti $45. Regs $25-28
Venture $22
Krux hollow $28. Regs $22
Should I put the link here or sale gear?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on January 21, 2020, 06:27:22 PM
Quote from: satan on January 21, 2020, 06:14:38 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on January 21, 2020, 06:07:05 PM
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Quote from: satan on January 20, 2020, 04:42:51 PM
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Quote from: Xen on January 18, 2020, 11:28:33 AM
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Quote from: satan on January 17, 2020, 09:33:56 PM
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Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.
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I prefer trucks tucked in/narrower than the board.

8.5" Deck I'd ride 8.25"/8.38" trucks

8.75" deck/8.5" trucks.

The bigger the board = lighter my truck and thinner wheel preference increases
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i agree. Way less chance of landing primo ive found.
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In case anyone was curious the skate gods decided for me, shop sold out of Ti 159's.
I got 149 Ti and 159 forged hollow.
$85 shipped. Did I get a good deal?

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I would say 85 for two pairs of trucks with one being ti is pretty good
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Yeah. I was just teasing. Thanks for finally noticing :'(
Ti for $50. Forged $32. Standard $27
Thundera ti $45. Regs $25-28
Venture $22
Krux hollow $28. Regs $22
Should I put the link here or sale gear?

Sale gear please, would like to check this sale out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 21, 2020, 07:19:55 PM
Spent Saturday on Ace 44s and Sunday on Thunder 151s. I'm down to axle on both pairs. Here's what I learned but already knew....

I like the wider trucks even for flip tricks. 44s are too narrow for my taste but 55s too wide. My snap was better on Thunders even with 1/4" risers. My ollies were sloppy and back foot flappy on the Aces. Thunders grind better on rugged curbs, no question.

You just can't beat that Ace turn.... And that's a big deal.

I'll never reconcile... Maybe an Ace 8.75" truck with harder metal will convince me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 21, 2020, 08:06:21 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 21, 2020, 07:19:55 PM
Spent Saturday on Ace 44s and Sunday on Thunder 151s. I'm down to axle on both pairs. Here's what I learned but already knew....

I like the wider trucks even for flip tricks. 44s are too narrow for my taste but 55s too wide. My snap was better on Thunders even with 1/4" risers. My ollies were sloppy and back foot flappy on the Aces. Thunders grind better on rugged curbs, no question.

You just can't beat that Ace turn.... And that's a big deal.

I'll never reconcile... Maybe an Ace 8.75" truck with harder metal will convince me.

sorry to tell you but aces will always react like that unless you ride a deck with less fingers of flat. rode 44s and owned 55s and it was the same deal. the way the lever works when the axles are pushed in like that will always result in less pop. the longer the distance the end of the tail is from the axle, the floppier the pop gets. im no scientist but i dont think any normal amount of riser or wheel size can change that about aces.

from my experience and observations, thats just the ace geometry. yeah the turn is nice but its not worth me not getting anything else to work. and the QC? if they cant get it right next run, forget about it completely
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 21, 2020, 08:15:07 PM
Quote from: off on January 21, 2020, 08:06:21 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 21, 2020, 07:19:55 PM
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Spent Saturday on Ace 44s and Sunday on Thunder 151s. I'm down to axle on both pairs. Here's what I learned but already knew....

I like the wider trucks even for flip tricks. 44s are too narrow for my taste but 55s too wide. My snap was better on Thunders even with 1/4" risers. My ollies were sloppy and back foot flappy on the Aces. Thunders grind better on rugged curbs, no question.

You just can't beat that Ace turn.... And that's a big deal.

I'll never reconcile... Maybe an Ace 8.75" truck with harder metal will convince me.
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sorry to tell you but aces will always react like that unless you ride a deck with less fingers of flat. rode 44s and owned 55s and it was the same deal. the way the lever works when the axles are pushed in like that will always result in less pop. the longer the distance the end of the tail is from the axle, the floppier the pop gets. im no scientist but i dont think any normal amount of riser or wheel size can change that about aces.

from my experience and observations, thats just the ace geometry. yeah the turn is nice but its not worth me not getting anything else to work. and the QC? if they cant get it right next run, forget about it completely
Fewer
GoT jokes..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 21, 2020, 08:16:49 PM
I have some Film hollow kingpin 6.0 (8.625 axle) trucks coming tomorrow.  Co designed by Eric Sentianin (dude who designed the Tensor ATG) I have pretty high hopes for them.

Will report back with pics and effective wheelbase measurement
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 21, 2020, 08:17:40 PM
Quote from: off on January 21, 2020, 08:06:21 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 21, 2020, 07:19:55 PM
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Spent Saturday on Ace 44s and Sunday on Thunder 151s. I'm down to axle on both pairs. Here's what I learned but already knew....

I like the wider trucks even for flip tricks. 44s are too narrow for my taste but 55s too wide. My snap was better on Thunders even with 1/4" risers. My ollies were sloppy and back foot flappy on the Aces. Thunders grind better on rugged curbs, no question.

You just can't beat that Ace turn.... And that's a big deal.

I'll never reconcile... Maybe an Ace 8.75" truck with harder metal will convince me.
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sorry to tell you but aces will always react like that unless you ride a deck with less fingers of flat. rode 44s and owned 55s and it was the same deal. the way the lever works when the axles are pushed in like that will always result in less pop. the longer the distance the end of the tail is from the axle, the floppier the pop gets. im no scientist but i dont think any normal amount of riser or wheel size can change that about aces.

from my experience and observations, thats just the ace geometry. yeah the turn is nice but its not worth me not getting anything else to work. and the QC? if they cant get it right next run, forget about it completely

Pretty much this. If you want to get a more controlled pop on Aces you can move your back foot into the pocket, thereby shortening that distance, but changing the way you skate for trucks is sort of counter productive. I think Aces are beyond my capability, for the same reasons you said, but that's just me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 21, 2020, 08:18:24 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 21, 2020, 08:16:49 PM
I have some Film hollow kingpin 6.0 (8.625 axle) trucks coming tomorrow.  Co designed by Eric Sentianin (dude who designed the Tensor ATG) I have pretty high hopes for them.

Will report back with pics and effective wheelbase measurement

Nice. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 21, 2020, 08:22:00 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 21, 2020, 08:17:40 PM
Quote from: off on January 21, 2020, 08:06:21 PM
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Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 21, 2020, 07:19:55 PM
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Spent Saturday on Ace 44s and Sunday on Thunder 151s. I'm down to axle on both pairs. Here's what I learned but already knew....

I like the wider trucks even for flip tricks. 44s are too narrow for my taste but 55s too wide. My snap was better on Thunders even with 1/4" risers. My ollies were sloppy and back foot flappy on the Aces. Thunders grind better on rugged curbs, no question.

You just can't beat that Ace turn.... And that's a big deal.

I'll never reconcile... Maybe an Ace 8.75" truck with harder metal will convince me.
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sorry to tell you but aces will always react like that unless you ride a deck with less fingers of flat. rode 44s and owned 55s and it was the same deal. the way the lever works when the axles are pushed in like that will always result in less pop. the longer the distance the end of the tail is from the axle, the floppier the pop gets. im no scientist but i dont think any normal amount of riser or wheel size can change that about aces.

from my experience and observations, thats just the ace geometry. yeah the turn is nice but its not worth me not getting anything else to work. and the QC? if they cant get it right next run, forget about it completely
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Pretty much this. If you want to get a more controlled pop on Aces you can move your back foot into the pocket, thereby shortening that distance, but changing the way you skate for trucks is sort of counter productive. I think Aces are beyond my capability, for the same reasons you said, but that's just me.

Its all taste. I'm confident an Ace 8.75" will suit me great at times. I'll keep rotating between them and Thunder. I don't adjust the way I skate but the two trucks bring out different things in my skateboarding, which I like.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 21, 2020, 08:42:40 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 21, 2020, 08:22:00 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 21, 2020, 08:17:40 PM
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Quote from: off on January 21, 2020, 08:06:21 PM
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Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 21, 2020, 07:19:55 PM
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Spent Saturday on Ace 44s and Sunday on Thunder 151s. I'm down to axle on both pairs. Here's what I learned but already knew....

I like the wider trucks even for flip tricks. 44s are too narrow for my taste but 55s too wide. My snap was better on Thunders even with 1/4" risers. My ollies were sloppy and back foot flappy on the Aces. Thunders grind better on rugged curbs, no question.

You just can't beat that Ace turn.... And that's a big deal.

I'll never reconcile... Maybe an Ace 8.75" truck with harder metal will convince me.
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sorry to tell you but aces will always react like that unless you ride a deck with less fingers of flat. rode 44s and owned 55s and it was the same deal. the way the lever works when the axles are pushed in like that will always result in less pop. the longer the distance the end of the tail is from the axle, the floppier the pop gets. im no scientist but i dont think any normal amount of riser or wheel size can change that about aces.

from my experience and observations, thats just the ace geometry. yeah the turn is nice but its not worth me not getting anything else to work. and the QC? if they cant get it right next run, forget about it completely
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Pretty much this. If you want to get a more controlled pop on Aces you can move your back foot into the pocket, thereby shortening that distance, but changing the way you skate for trucks is sort of counter productive. I think Aces are beyond my capability, for the same reasons you said, but that's just me.
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Its all taste. I'm confident an Ace 8.75" will suit me great at times. I'll keep rotating between them and Thunder. I don't adjust the way I skate but the two trucks bring out different things in my skateboarding, which I like.

For sure. I should have simply said, I'm not good enough for Aces. Which is hard to admit, I love that turn and the feel, but the moment I hit the tail it all goes to shit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 21, 2020, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 21, 2020, 08:17:40 PM
Quote from: off on January 21, 2020, 08:06:21 PM
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Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 21, 2020, 07:19:55 PM
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Spent Saturday on Ace 44s and Sunday on Thunder 151s. I'm down to axle on both pairs. Here's what I learned but already knew....

I like the wider trucks even for flip tricks. 44s are too narrow for my taste but 55s too wide. My snap was better on Thunders even with 1/4" risers. My ollies were sloppy and back foot flappy on the Aces. Thunders grind better on rugged curbs, no question.

You just can't beat that Ace turn.... And that's a big deal.

I'll never reconcile... Maybe an Ace 8.75" truck with harder metal will convince me.
[close]

sorry to tell you but aces will always react like that unless you ride a deck with less fingers of flat. rode 44s and owned 55s and it was the same deal. the way the lever works when the axles are pushed in like that will always result in less pop. the longer the distance the end of the tail is from the axle, the floppier the pop gets. im no scientist but i dont think any normal amount of riser or wheel size can change that about aces.

from my experience and observations, thats just the ace geometry. yeah the turn is nice but its not worth me not getting anything else to work. and the QC? if they cant get it right next run, forget about it completely
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Pretty much this. If you want to get a more controlled pop on Aces you can move your back foot into the pocket, thereby shortening that distance, but changing the way you skate for trucks is sort of counter productive. I think Aces are beyond my capability, for the same reasons you said, but that's just me.

nope not just you. have been trying to get rid of these 55s for months now and it only took me like 3 sessions to figure out what was wrong. i really hope someone grabs them soon. seeing them everyday just reminds me i bought into the madness and slap hype and it was just a waste of time, effort, and money.

i personally wont even bother trying any short wb trucks after aces. i simply didnt learn to pop with my foot that deep in the pocket and it would be regular to change my skating just for the benefit of turning when all trucks can turn if you can. its a fundamental to skating and shouldnt be the be all end all like people make it seem, unless you are strictly riding bowls or tranny. i also dont like my tricks to flop around or to be jumping 2x higher than the board pops just because i needed FEWER fingers of flat on my $50 dollar deck just to match my near $50 trucks. they are just a pain in the ass and need too many variables to work. i genuinely feel bad for the people who waste more than a couple sessions trying to force aces. you will be able to tell right after the first ollie all the tricks you will have to adjust for no good reason. just take the L and get some trucks that work with you not the other way around.

i can understand liking aces if you dont really leave the ground much, thats where they shine on any board. with the fucking weight of em you wont want to leave the ground either. i would bet good money that you give tyshawn jones a pair of 44s and a green trashcan, he wont clear it with the same board if at all.

i can understand how pros can make it work, they are pro for a reason. when regular people say they like aces it automatically makes me want to see their skating and hope to the sky they dont skate street. it would be a real experiment to require everyone who says the love aces to post their skating cause i cant wrap my head around how they do it, why they do it to themselves, and what they arent afraid to post because me on aces was more embarrassing than usual.

the QC issues on top of that? im fully prepared to never sell these trucks after this
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 21, 2020, 08:57:04 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 21, 2020, 08:22:00 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 21, 2020, 08:17:40 PM
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Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 21, 2020, 07:19:55 PM
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Spent Saturday on Ace 44s and Sunday on Thunder 151s. I'm down to axle on both pairs. Here's what I learned but already knew....

I like the wider trucks even for flip tricks. 44s are too narrow for my taste but 55s too wide. My snap was better on Thunders even with 1/4" risers. My ollies were sloppy and back foot flappy on the Aces. Thunders grind better on rugged curbs, no question.

You just can't beat that Ace turn.... And that's a big deal.

I'll never reconcile... Maybe an Ace 8.75" truck with harder metal will convince me.
[close]

sorry to tell you but aces will always react like that unless you ride a deck with less fingers of flat. rode 44s and owned 55s and it was the same deal. the way the lever works when the axles are pushed in like that will always result in less pop. the longer the distance the end of the tail is from the axle, the floppier the pop gets. im no scientist but i dont think any normal amount of riser or wheel size can change that about aces.

from my experience and observations, thats just the ace geometry. yeah the turn is nice but its not worth me not getting anything else to work. and the QC? if they cant get it right next run, forget about it completely
[close]

Pretty much this. If you want to get a more controlled pop on Aces you can move your back foot into the pocket, thereby shortening that distance, but changing the way you skate for trucks is sort of counter productive. I think Aces are beyond my capability, for the same reasons you said, but that's just me.
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Its all taste. I'm confident an Ace 8.75" will suit me great at times. I'll keep rotating between them and Thunder. I don't adjust the way I skate but the two trucks bring out different things in my skateboarding, which I like.

rotating aces and thunders....bless your soul man
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 21, 2020, 09:12:05 PM
Quote from: off on January 21, 2020, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 21, 2020, 08:17:40 PM
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Quote from: off on January 21, 2020, 08:06:21 PM
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Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 21, 2020, 07:19:55 PM
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Spent Saturday on Ace 44s and Sunday on Thunder 151s. I'm down to axle on both pairs. Here's what I learned but already knew....

I like the wider trucks even for flip tricks. 44s are too narrow for my taste but 55s too wide. My snap was better on Thunders even with 1/4" risers. My ollies were sloppy and back foot flappy on the Aces. Thunders grind better on rugged curbs, no question.

You just can't beat that Ace turn.... And that's a big deal.

I'll never reconcile... Maybe an Ace 8.75" truck with harder metal will convince me.
[close]

sorry to tell you but aces will always react like that unless you ride a deck with less fingers of flat. rode 44s and owned 55s and it was the same deal. the way the lever works when the axles are pushed in like that will always result in less pop. the longer the distance the end of the tail is from the axle, the floppier the pop gets. im no scientist but i dont think any normal amount of riser or wheel size can change that about aces.

from my experience and observations, thats just the ace geometry. yeah the turn is nice but its not worth me not getting anything else to work. and the QC? if they cant get it right next run, forget about it completely
[close]

Pretty much this. If you want to get a more controlled pop on Aces you can move your back foot into the pocket, thereby shortening that distance, but changing the way you skate for trucks is sort of counter productive. I think Aces are beyond my capability, for the same reasons you said, but that's just me.
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nope not just you. have been trying to get rid of these 55s for months now and it only took me like 3 sessions to figure out what was wrong. i really hope someone grabs them soon. seeing them everyday just reminds me i bought into the madness and slap hype and it was just a waste of time, effort, and money.

i personally wont even bother trying any short wb trucks after aces. i simply didnt learn to pop with my foot that deep in the pocket and it would be regular to change my skating just for the benefit of turning when all trucks can turn if you can. its a fundamental to skating and shouldnt be the be all end all like people make it seem, unless you are strictly riding bowls or tranny. i also dont like my tricks to flop around or to be jumping 2x higher than the board pops just because i needed FEWER fingers of flat on my $50 dollar deck just to match my near $50 trucks. they are just a pain in the ass and need too many variables to work. i genuinely feel bad for the people who waste more than a couple sessions trying to force aces. you will be able to tell right after the first ollie all the tricks you will have to adjust for no good reason. just take the L and get some trucks that work with you not the other way around.

i can understand liking aces if you dont really leave the ground much, thats where they shine on any board. with the fucking weight of em you wont want to leave the ground either. i would bet good money that you give tyshawn jones a pair of 44s and a green trashcan, he wont clear it with the same board if at all.

i can understand how pros can make it work, they are pro for a reason. when regular people say they like aces it automatically makes me want to see their skating and hope to the sky they dont skate street. it would be a real experiment to require everyone who says the love aces to post their skating cause i cant wrap my head around how they do it, why they do it to themselves, and what they arent afraid to post because me on aces was more embarrassing than usual.

the QC issues on top of that? im fully prepared to never sell these trucks after this

Wow, you're pretty wound up in this. They don't work for you. Cool. Send me your 55s. I'll take them free of charge. As for not working for Average Joes, bollocks. Check out this guy. He's an above Average Joe but he's not a pro. Skates Ace the way you say people can't including knee high switch tres.

https://www.instagram.com/takingtigermountainbyslappy/ (https://www.instagram.com/takingtigermountainbyslappy/)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 21, 2020, 09:27:47 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 21, 2020, 08:42:40 PM
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Spent Saturday on Ace 44s and Sunday on Thunder 151s. I'm down to axle on both pairs. Here's what I learned but already knew....

I like the wider trucks even for flip tricks. 44s are too narrow for my taste but 55s too wide. My snap was better on Thunders even with 1/4" risers. My ollies were sloppy and back foot flappy on the Aces. Thunders grind better on rugged curbs, no question.

You just can't beat that Ace turn.... And that's a big deal.

I'll never reconcile... Maybe an Ace 8.75" truck with harder metal will convince me.
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sorry to tell you but aces will always react like that unless you ride a deck with less fingers of flat. rode 44s and owned 55s and it was the same deal. the way the lever works when the axles are pushed in like that will always result in less pop. the longer the distance the end of the tail is from the axle, the floppier the pop gets. im no scientist but i dont think any normal amount of riser or wheel size can change that about aces.

from my experience and observations, thats just the ace geometry. yeah the turn is nice but its not worth me not getting anything else to work. and the QC? if they cant get it right next run, forget about it completely
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Pretty much this. If you want to get a more controlled pop on Aces you can move your back foot into the pocket, thereby shortening that distance, but changing the way you skate for trucks is sort of counter productive. I think Aces are beyond my capability, for the same reasons you said, but that's just me.
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Its all taste. I'm confident an Ace 8.75" will suit me great at times. I'll keep rotating between them and Thunder. I don't adjust the way I skate but the two trucks bring out different things in my skateboarding, which I like.
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For sure. I should have simply said, I'm not good enough for Aces. Which is hard to admit, I love that turn and the feel, but the moment I hit the tail it all goes to shit.
Just curious.. Do you like the pop feel for Indy's? Venture? Thunder?
I've probably asked already but have you tried playing with different tails lengths? Shorter?

For me Indy's work. Short tails are a nightmare for me, everything rockets. 6.5" tail and I'm lil bummed, won't even touch 6.25".
Trucks that lengthen the wheelbase, and shorten the tail, don't seem like they'd work for me.
Just throwing some more opinions into the madness..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 21, 2020, 09:28:20 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 21, 2020, 09:12:05 PM
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Spent Saturday on Ace 44s and Sunday on Thunder 151s. I'm down to axle on both pairs. Here's what I learned but already knew....

I like the wider trucks even for flip tricks. 44s are too narrow for my taste but 55s too wide. My snap was better on Thunders even with 1/4" risers. My ollies were sloppy and back foot flappy on the Aces. Thunders grind better on rugged curbs, no question.

You just can't beat that Ace turn.... And that's a big deal.

I'll never reconcile... Maybe an Ace 8.75" truck with harder metal will convince me.
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sorry to tell you but aces will always react like that unless you ride a deck with less fingers of flat. rode 44s and owned 55s and it was the same deal. the way the lever works when the axles are pushed in like that will always result in less pop. the longer the distance the end of the tail is from the axle, the floppier the pop gets. im no scientist but i dont think any normal amount of riser or wheel size can change that about aces.

from my experience and observations, thats just the ace geometry. yeah the turn is nice but its not worth me not getting anything else to work. and the QC? if they cant get it right next run, forget about it completely
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Pretty much this. If you want to get a more controlled pop on Aces you can move your back foot into the pocket, thereby shortening that distance, but changing the way you skate for trucks is sort of counter productive. I think Aces are beyond my capability, for the same reasons you said, but that's just me.
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nope not just you. have been trying to get rid of these 55s for months now and it only took me like 3 sessions to figure out what was wrong. i really hope someone grabs them soon. seeing them everyday just reminds me i bought into the madness and slap hype and it was just a waste of time, effort, and money.

i personally wont even bother trying any short wb trucks after aces. i simply didnt learn to pop with my foot that deep in the pocket and it would be regular to change my skating just for the benefit of turning when all trucks can turn if you can. its a fundamental to skating and shouldnt be the be all end all like people make it seem, unless you are strictly riding bowls or tranny. i also dont like my tricks to flop around or to be jumping 2x higher than the board pops just because i needed FEWER fingers of flat on my $50 dollar deck just to match my near $50 trucks. they are just a pain in the ass and need too many variables to work. i genuinely feel bad for the people who waste more than a couple sessions trying to force aces. you will be able to tell right after the first ollie all the tricks you will have to adjust for no good reason. just take the L and get some trucks that work with you not the other way around.

i can understand liking aces if you dont really leave the ground much, thats where they shine on any board. with the fucking weight of em you wont want to leave the ground either. i would bet good money that you give tyshawn jones a pair of 44s and a green trashcan, he wont clear it with the same board if at all.

i can understand how pros can make it work, they are pro for a reason. when regular people say they like aces it automatically makes me want to see their skating and hope to the sky they dont skate street. it would be a real experiment to require everyone who says the love aces to post their skating cause i cant wrap my head around how they do it, why they do it to themselves, and what they arent afraid to post because me on aces was more embarrassing than usual.

the QC issues on top of that? im fully prepared to never sell these trucks after this
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Wow, you're pretty wound up in this. They don't work for you. Cool. Send me your 55s. I'll take them free of charge. As for not working for Average Joes, bollocks. Check out this guy. He's an above Average Joe but he's not a pro. Skates Ace the way you say people can't including knee high switch tres.

https://www.instagram.com/takingtigermountainbyslappy/ (https://www.instagram.com/takingtigermountainbyslappy/)

Quote from: palelight on January 21, 2020, 08:42:40 PM
For sure. I should have simply said, I'm not good enough for Aces. Which is hard to admit, I love that turn and the feel, but the moment I hit the tail it all goes to shit.

its rough out here
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on January 21, 2020, 09:29:37 PM
Quote from: off on January 21, 2020, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 21, 2020, 08:17:40 PM
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Spent Saturday on Ace 44s and Sunday on Thunder 151s. I'm down to axle on both pairs. Here's what I learned but already knew....

I like the wider trucks even for flip tricks. 44s are too narrow for my taste but 55s too wide. My snap was better on Thunders even with 1/4" risers. My ollies were sloppy and back foot flappy on the Aces. Thunders grind better on rugged curbs, no question.

You just can't beat that Ace turn.... And that's a big deal.

I'll never reconcile... Maybe an Ace 8.75" truck with harder metal will convince me.
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sorry to tell you but aces will always react like that unless you ride a deck with less fingers of flat. rode 44s and owned 55s and it was the same deal. the way the lever works when the axles are pushed in like that will always result in less pop. the longer the distance the end of the tail is from the axle, the floppier the pop gets. im no scientist but i dont think any normal amount of riser or wheel size can change that about aces.

from my experience and observations, thats just the ace geometry. yeah the turn is nice but its not worth me not getting anything else to work. and the QC? if they cant get it right next run, forget about it completely
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Pretty much this. If you want to get a more controlled pop on Aces you can move your back foot into the pocket, thereby shortening that distance, but changing the way you skate for trucks is sort of counter productive. I think Aces are beyond my capability, for the same reasons you said, but that's just me.
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nope not just you. have been trying to get rid of these 55s for months now and it only took me like 3 sessions to figure out what was wrong. i really hope someone grabs them soon. seeing them everyday just reminds me i bought into the madness and slap hype and it was just a waste of time, effort, and money.

i personally wont even bother trying any short wb trucks after aces. i simply didnt learn to pop with my foot that deep in the pocket and it would be regular to change my skating just for the benefit of turning when all trucks can turn if you can. its a fundamental to skating and shouldnt be the be all end all like people make it seem, unless you are strictly riding bowls or tranny. i also dont like my tricks to flop around or to be jumping 2x higher than the board pops just because i needed FEWER fingers of flat on my $50 dollar deck just to match my near $50 trucks. they are just a pain in the ass and need too many variables to work. i genuinely feel bad for the people who waste more than a couple sessions trying to force aces. you will be able to tell right after the first ollie all the tricks you will have to adjust for no good reason. just take the L and get some trucks that work with you not the other way around.

i can understand liking aces if you dont really leave the ground much, thats where they shine on any board. with the fucking weight of em you wont want to leave the ground either. i would bet good money that you give tyshawn jones a pair of 44s and a green trashcan, he wont clear it with the same board if at all.

i can understand how pros can make it work, they are pro for a reason. when regular people say they like aces it automatically makes me want to see their skating and hope to the sky they dont skate street. it would be a real experiment to require everyone who says the love aces to post their skating cause i cant wrap my head around how they do it, why they do it to themselves, and what they arent afraid to post because me on aces was more embarrassing than usual.

the QC issues on top of that? im fully prepared to never sell these trucks after this

I dunno, I know plenty of people who skate street (exclusively) perfectly fine with Aces and many of them also have also skated Ventures, Indys etc not knowing the difference. Most people don't think about this stuff as much and it doesn't bother them. Back when I skated Aces a few years ago my skating wasn't objectively worse (taking into account the fact that I got better at skating overall over the past few years).

Even though I agree that Ventures/Thunders have a 'better' pop, some of my higher ollies and tricks that I struggle with a lot more now were done on Aces a while back. Not saying its causal just that its not so black and white. It ultimately comes down to each persons technique and how conducive certain gear is towards that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 21, 2020, 09:43:24 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on January 21, 2020, 09:29:37 PM
Quote from: off on January 21, 2020, 08:54:56 PM
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Quote from: off on January 21, 2020, 08:06:21 PM
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Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 21, 2020, 07:19:55 PM
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Spent Saturday on Ace 44s and Sunday on Thunder 151s. I'm down to axle on both pairs. Here's what I learned but already knew....

I like the wider trucks even for flip tricks. 44s are too narrow for my taste but 55s too wide. My snap was better on Thunders even with 1/4" risers. My ollies were sloppy and back foot flappy on the Aces. Thunders grind better on rugged curbs, no question.

You just can't beat that Ace turn.... And that's a big deal.

I'll never reconcile... Maybe an Ace 8.75" truck with harder metal will convince me.
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sorry to tell you but aces will always react like that unless you ride a deck with less fingers of flat. rode 44s and owned 55s and it was the same deal. the way the lever works when the axles are pushed in like that will always result in less pop. the longer the distance the end of the tail is from the axle, the floppier the pop gets. im no scientist but i dont think any normal amount of riser or wheel size can change that about aces.

from my experience and observations, thats just the ace geometry. yeah the turn is nice but its not worth me not getting anything else to work. and the QC? if they cant get it right next run, forget about it completely
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Pretty much this. If you want to get a more controlled pop on Aces you can move your back foot into the pocket, thereby shortening that distance, but changing the way you skate for trucks is sort of counter productive. I think Aces are beyond my capability, for the same reasons you said, but that's just me.
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nope not just you. have been trying to get rid of these 55s for months now and it only took me like 3 sessions to figure out what was wrong. i really hope someone grabs them soon. seeing them everyday just reminds me i bought into the madness and slap hype and it was just a waste of time, effort, and money.

i personally wont even bother trying any short wb trucks after aces. i simply didnt learn to pop with my foot that deep in the pocket and it would be regular to change my skating just for the benefit of turning when all trucks can turn if you can. its a fundamental to skating and shouldnt be the be all end all like people make it seem, unless you are strictly riding bowls or tranny. i also dont like my tricks to flop around or to be jumping 2x higher than the board pops just because i needed FEWER fingers of flat on my $50 dollar deck just to match my near $50 trucks. they are just a pain in the ass and need too many variables to work. i genuinely feel bad for the people who waste more than a couple sessions trying to force aces. you will be able to tell right after the first ollie all the tricks you will have to adjust for no good reason. just take the L and get some trucks that work with you not the other way around.

i can understand liking aces if you dont really leave the ground much, thats where they shine on any board. with the fucking weight of em you wont want to leave the ground either. i would bet good money that you give tyshawn jones a pair of 44s and a green trashcan, he wont clear it with the same board if at all.

i can understand how pros can make it work, they are pro for a reason. when regular people say they like aces it automatically makes me want to see their skating and hope to the sky they dont skate street. it would be a real experiment to require everyone who says the love aces to post their skating cause i cant wrap my head around how they do it, why they do it to themselves, and what they arent afraid to post because me on aces was more embarrassing than usual.

the QC issues on top of that? im fully prepared to never sell these trucks after this
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I dunno, I know plenty of people who skate street (exclusively) perfectly fine with Aces and many of them also have also skated Ventures, Indys etc not knowing the difference. Most people don't think about this stuff as much and it doesn't bother them. Back when I skated Aces a few years ago my skating wasn't objectively worse (taking into account the fact that I got better at skating overall over the past few years).

Even though I agree that Ventures/Thunders have a 'better' pop, some of my higher ollies and tricks that I struggle with a lot more now were done on Aces a while back. Not saying its causal just that its not so black and white. It ultimately comes down to each persons technique and how conducive certain gear is towards that.

just ranting about what i didnt like
to be fair i put way too much stock into the trucks even before i tried them due to some of the threads at the time
which led to some unfair and unrealistic expectations
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 21, 2020, 09:49:40 PM
Quote from: satan on January 03, 2020, 03:34:08 PM
Anyone seen Active's pivot cups? They were $0.25 on their site but the page is gone. I got some free when I walked in.
They're a lil bit softer than cracked ice, not as soft as krux, pretty nice quality. They're black, some parts are shiny, some dull. Look like they're cut/machined to shape from a rod, even have a small chamber for the pivot. I guessing urethane cuz machined but not sure
They're pointed at the bottom, not machined flat like some stuff I've seen online. Look similar to khiro's but I've never seen those irl.
Anyone got an in with active hq?
Wanna ask who made the pivot cups?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 21, 2020, 10:39:51 PM
Quote from: satan on January 21, 2020, 09:27:47 PM
Just curious.. Do you like the pop feel for Indy's? Venture? Thunder?
I've probably asked already but have you tried playing with different tails lengths? Shorter?

For me Indy's work. Short tails are a nightmare for me, everything rockets. 6.5" tail and I'm lil bummed, won't even touch 6.25".
Trucks that lengthen the wheelbase, and shorten the tail, don't seem like they'd work for me.
Just throwing some more opinions into the madness..

Indy forged and Venture cast are the best for me in terms of pop feel. I'd throw Thunder Teams in there as well, but I hate everything else about them. Those three have very similar relative wheelbases so that would definitely be my sweet spot. As for tails, the steepness will trip me out more than the length, usually prefer a medium or slightly mellow kick. An over steep or totally flat kick will kill my session real quick. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lysdexia on January 21, 2020, 11:15:05 PM
in regard to this comment (and most of your post really..);

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i also dont like my tricks to flop around or to be jumping 2x higher than the board pops just because i needed FEWER fingers of flat on my $50 dollar deck just to match my near $50 trucks. they are just a pain in the ass and need too many variables to work

you're thinking about it all wrong.  it's not about skating board with less fingers of flat just so you can skate aces to feel the ace magic.  it's about finding a combination of board and trucks that works for you.  they might turn great but they don't work for everyone, if you like mellow boards then they're never going to work properly
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 22, 2020, 12:07:40 AM
Quote from: palelight on January 21, 2020, 10:39:51 PM
Quote from: satan on January 21, 2020, 09:27:47 PM
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Just curious.. Do you like the pop feel for Indy's? Venture? Thunder?
I've probably asked already but have you tried playing with different tails lengths? Shorter?

For me Indy's work. Short tails are a nightmare for me, everything rockets. 6.5" tail and I'm lil bummed, won't even touch 6.25".
Trucks that lengthen the wheelbase, and shorten the tail, don't seem like they'd work for me.
Just throwing some more opinions into the madness..
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Indy forged and Venture cast are the best for me in terms of pop feel. I'd throw Thunder Teams in there as well, but I hate everything else about them. Those three have very similar relative wheelbases so that would definitely be my sweet spot. As for tails, the steepness will trip me out more than the length, usually prefer a medium or slightly mellow kick. An over steep or totally flat kick will kill my session real quick.
I keep spacing and forgetting to say I'm riding forged Indy's. I'd try cast but the bushings feel great and I'd rather leave them alone.
Planned on messing around with cast in the 144, 149, 159 range. And diving into some bushing madness..

You got me wondering about Venture cast. How do they grind? Degros was saying didn't grind as well as Indy. Seems like they should grind similar to Thunder and Indy.

Super steep tail should be like a short tail but I agree it comes down to preference for kicks. I usually like the medium steep range and stay away from super flat or steep. But I'm on a flat flat Primitive now and it hasn't been bugging me, think they use the mellow concave too.

Did you try Ace with a short tail? Just thinking that combo might work for you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on January 22, 2020, 05:59:43 AM
Quote from: off on January 21, 2020, 08:54:56 PM

i can understand liking aces if you dont really leave the ground much, thats where they shine on any board. with the fucking weight of em you wont want to leave the ground either. i would bet good money that you give tyshawn jones a pair of 44s and a green trashcan, he wont clear it with the same board if at all.

i can understand how pros can make it work, they are pro for a reason. when regular people say they like aces it automatically makes me want to see their skating and hope to the sky they dont skate street. it would be a real experiment to require everyone who says the love aces to post their skating cause i cant wrap my head around how they do it, why they do it to themselves, and what they arent afraid to post because me on aces was more embarrassing than usual.

the QC issues on top of that? im fully prepared to never sell these trucks after this

I’m definitely no Tyshawn, but I never had any issues popping high with Aces on my usual set ups, which are all steep/medium kicks and very little fingers of flat.

(https://i.imgur.com/YHRXZyf.mp4)

I don’t have the worlds greatest pop, but I do ok and can pop fine on Ace 44’s. Basic flip tricks and ledge tricks are fine as well. I can’t do anything too complicated, but I’m just a 40 year old schlub who does it for fun. I’ll see if I can dig up more clips for reference

Weight wise, they don’t feel much different from Indy standards to me, which plenty of people pop and street skate just fine on. On Tactics site, they list the weight of 44’s at 389.6 and Indy 144 standards at 387, so the 2.6 grams isn’t a huge difference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chris. on January 22, 2020, 06:25:44 AM
I get better pop on my 55s with steep kicks than any other set-up I’ve had in the past two years (running Thunder and Ventures.)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on January 22, 2020, 08:00:47 AM
Hey guys does anyone know if the Destructo D1 have full length axles or are they the in-between sizes like the Tensor Tens models? I was looking at some D1 5.5s but theyre listed as having 8.125" axles some places and 8.25" other places. I have a pair of D2 5.75 that are 8.35" axle so I was wondering if the D1 are also different. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on January 22, 2020, 08:18:33 AM
My best pop has been with an 8.5 Polar with Ace 44's. Absolute boat anchor of a setup. I have gone down to 8.25 to attempt to suck less at flip tricks and never quite replaced that pop combo. If anyone can recommend brands with similar kick steepness that I can get the same effective WB combo with that would be awesome. I've tried going much shorter with Thunders, but often times the decks feel super short/squirrely.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on January 22, 2020, 08:37:07 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on January 22, 2020, 08:00:47 AM
Hey guys does anyone know if the Destructo D1 have full length axles or are they the in-between sizes like the Tensor Tens models? I was looking at some D1 5.5s but theyre listed as having 8.125" axles some places and 8.25" other places. I have a pair of D2 5.75 that are 8.5" axle so I was wondering if the D1 are different.

I will measure them when I get home but I think they are 8.125
(same truck just painted the baseplates)
girl 8.125 and birdhouse 8.25
(https://i.imgur.com/W1XK7Gtm.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/6zZ4LEGm.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 22, 2020, 09:19:43 AM
The ACE magic is in bowls, they're not magical/anything special [to me] on street...I ran ACE 33 exclusively for about 2 years and skated great, no issues...lots of park, street, ditches, DIY.

I also prefer mid-trucks. Thunder (Cast usually), Venture Forged, Indy Forged, Theeve, ACE - all hovering around 52/53mm.

I suck at manuals but suck less doing them when riding thunders or ventures.

My weak-ass ledge game is about equal across them all but prefer Venture or Thunders.

Pop = Thunders all day...

I side with Prof. Schmitt, manuals and ollies tell me all I need to know about what I should skate. For me, if I can get those two together the rest is easy. I know I skate the best on Thunders (ACE in bowls) but the wheelbite is very couter productive, love hate relationship. When they work, it's great but when they don't (again wheelbite).

This is why I have the madness.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 22, 2020, 10:10:59 AM
Quote from: Xen on January 22, 2020, 09:19:43 AM
The ACE magic is in bowls, they're not magical/anything special [to me] on street...I ran ACE 33 exclusively for about 2 years and skated great, no issues...lots of park, street, ditches, DIY.

I also prefer mid-trucks. Thunder (Cast usually), Venture Forged, Indy Forged, Theeve, ACE - all hovering around 52/53mm.

I suck at manuals but suck less doing them when riding thunders or ventures.

My weak-ass ledge game is about equal across them all but prefer Venture or Thunders.

Pop = Thunders all day...

I side with Prof. Schmitt, manuals and ollies tell me all I need to know about what I should skate. For me, if I can get those two together the rest is easy. I know I skate the best on Thunders (ACE in bowls) but the wheelbite is very couter productive, love hate relationship. When they work, it's great but when they don't (again wheelbite).

This is why I have the madness.

cant talk from experience yet but maybe look into the tensor atg. i think they are all 55mm in height and i hear that they perform similarly to thunder. definitely gonna be the next truck i try
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 22, 2020, 03:56:30 PM
I lost impossibles with the truck change. Things clips on the way in goes vertically or goes 360 pressure flip.

I was amused for a like the first 4 or 5 misses I stopped trying at 12

Put aces on an boom 1st try.

Im not going to give up on this
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 22, 2020, 04:13:35 PM
Quote from: off on January 22, 2020, 10:10:59 AM
Quote from: Xen on January 22, 2020, 09:19:43 AM
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The ACE magic is in bowls, they're not magical/anything special [to me] on street...I ran ACE 33 exclusively for about 2 years and skated great, no issues...lots of park, street, ditches, DIY.

I also prefer mid-trucks. Thunder (Cast usually), Venture Forged, Indy Forged, Theeve, ACE - all hovering around 52/53mm.

I suck at manuals but suck less doing them when riding thunders or ventures.

My weak-ass ledge game is about equal across them all but prefer Venture or Thunders.

Pop = Thunders all day...

I side with Prof. Schmitt, manuals and ollies tell me all I need to know about what I should skate. For me, if I can get those two together the rest is easy. I know I skate the best on Thunders (ACE in bowls) but the wheelbite is very couter productive, love hate relationship. When they work, it's great but when they don't (again wheelbite).

This is why I have the madness.
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cant talk from experience yet but maybe look into the tensor atg. i think they are all 55mm in height and i hear that they perform similarly to thunder. definitely gonna be the next truck i try

That's what I'm current riding, I've not broken out the tape measure but axle to axle you can clearly see they sit a little taller than Venture cast so I assume the 55mm measurement is on point.

So far, they've been great and do feel like Thunders to me, I had zero adjustment skating them on tranny or street (compared to Ventures).

I really want to make the Ventures work the ollies and manuals were great (better manuals than the tensors) but the turn isn't as good in comparison.

Quote from: Banned from the room on January 22, 2020, 03:56:30 PM
I lost impossibles with the truck change. Things clips on the way in goes vertically or goes 360 pressure flip.

I was amused for a like the first 4 or 5 misses I stopped trying at 12

Put aces on an boom 1st try.

Im not going to give up on this

Impossibles being THE trick I have on lock anywhere, anytime, trucks have ZERO impact on them if you are wrapping correctly (speaking strictly flatground here, not actually doing them over things where you do need your pop).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on January 22, 2020, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on January 22, 2020, 08:00:47 AM
Hey guys does anyone know if the Destructo D1 have full length axles or are they the in-between sizes like the Tensor Tens models? I was looking at some D1 5.5s but theyre listed as having 8.125" axles some places and 8.25" other places. I have a pair of D2 5.75 that are 8.5" axle so I was wondering if the D1 are different.

(http://i.imgur.com/eph5VXWl.jpg)

so yeah 8.125

what other "8.25" trucks are a little shorter
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on January 22, 2020, 05:19:18 PM
Quote from: TwisT on January 22, 2020, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on January 22, 2020, 08:00:47 AM
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Hey guys does anyone know if the Destructo D1 have full length axles or are they the in-between sizes like the Tensor Tens models? I was looking at some D1 5.5s but theyre listed as having 8.125" axles some places and 8.25" other places. I have a pair of D2 5.75 that are 8.5" axle so I was wondering if the D1 are different.
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(http://i.imgur.com/eph5VXWl.jpg)

so yeah 8.125

what other "8.25" trucks are a little shorter

Thanks a ton dude, I guess I'll get the 5.75 if I go that route. 

The only other one I've seen that has the same in-between length thing going on is the Tensor Tens models - I think they just call them Tensor lo now. Super light and grind like butter but the turn isn't on par with the ATG, although its not bad if you replace the stock bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 22, 2020, 05:30:21 PM
Quote from: Weezil on January 21, 2020, 03:30:27 PM
finally got a dry day even though it was cold as fuck and got the itch to skate. recently got some bones bushings because I heard they don't freeze up too bad when it's cold. tried them in a pair of spent indy 144 I had lying around, turned great but felt like it made the pop suck, figured I'd fuck around and put a pair of venture 5.8s on my board and just skate them and slipped both axles. so fucking bummed, had heelflips dialed in and nollie back 180s nice and popped today too. made my shit skate like a Walmart board though it was so bad, happened last time I had them on my board but I thought it was just cold weather or something.

back to indy I guess, I'll give these aces one more shot. bummed on the ventures though, was really loving them, but not really sold on buying another pair.

im so fucking sorry for doubting the axles.

Call it karma I guess.



Quote from: Xen on January 22, 2020, 04:13:35 PM
Quote from: off on January 22, 2020, 10:10:59 AM
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Quote from: Xen on January 22, 2020, 09:19:43 AM
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The ACE magic is in bowls, they're not magical/anything special [to me] on street...I ran ACE 33 exclusively for about 2 years and skated great, no issues...lots of park, street, ditches, DIY.

I also prefer mid-trucks. Thunder (Cast usually), Venture Forged, Indy Forged, Theeve, ACE - all hovering around 52/53mm.

I suck at manuals but suck less doing them when riding thunders or ventures.

My weak-ass ledge game is about equal across them all but prefer Venture or Thunders.

Pop = Thunders all day...

I side with Prof. Schmitt, manuals and ollies tell me all I need to know about what I should skate. For me, if I can get those two together the rest is easy. I know I skate the best on Thunders (ACE in bowls) but the wheelbite is very couter productive, love hate relationship. When they work, it's great but when they don't (again wheelbite).

This is why I have the madness.
[close]

cant talk from experience yet but maybe look into the tensor atg. i think they are all 55mm in height and i hear that they perform similarly to thunder. definitely gonna be the next truck i try
[close]

That's what I'm current riding, I've not broken out the tape measure but axle to axle you can clearly see they sit a little taller than Venture cast so I assume the 55mm measurement is on point.

So far, they've been great and do feel like Thunders to me, I had zero adjustment skating them on tranny or street (compared to Ventures).

I really want to make the Ventures work the ollies and manuals were great (better manuals than the tensors) but the turn isn't as good in comparison.

Quote from: Banned from the room on January 22, 2020, 03:56:30 PM
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I lost impossibles with the truck change. Things clips on the way in goes vertically or goes 360 pressure flip.

I was amused for a like the first 4 or 5 misses I stopped trying at 12

Put aces on an boom 1st try.

Im not going to give up on this
[close]

Impossibles being THE trick I have on lock anywhere, anytime, trucks have ZERO impact on them if you are wrapping correctly (speaking strictly flatground here, not actually doing them over things where you do need your pop).

idk. Thats kinda my thing too. Think its because my aces where broken loose and now im on new ventures in 15 degree weather

I been impossibling for a few decades.

I got one a min ago but now im all sad boy again. Primo both fucking axles jammed and thats the end of my flirt with venture.

I want to fucking beat my own head in. Why oh why is this all happening. Brand new decks breaking low impact fucking axle slippage.


How do i post a video of me doing an impossible then beating my own head in with my fucking brand new 5.6s like im gg fucking allin.

Im going to go ask my shop for help tomorrow because im a fucking burnt out old fucking piece of gutter trash that cant afford fucking postage


Fuckfuckfuckfuck kline gzgicgudkgkcjf

Oh look my fist wrote the nane of someone who fucking hates me. Awesome  lets see what else i can focus out of this fucking pos....


ink inn by g2g nh txt gf g2g g2g cu fthcj b.s. khg hmmm xnghvhg
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 22, 2020, 05:38:30 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on January 22, 2020, 05:30:21 PM
Quote from: Weezil on January 21, 2020, 03:30:27 PM
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finally got a dry day even though it was cold as fuck and got the itch to skate. recently got some bones bushings because I heard they don't freeze up too bad when it's cold. tried them in a pair of spent indy 144 I had lying around, turned great but felt like it made the pop suck, figured I'd fuck around and put a pair of venture 5.8s on my board and just skate them and slipped both axles. so fucking bummed, had heelflips dialed in and nollie back 180s nice and popped today too. made my shit skate like a Walmart board though it was so bad, happened last time I had them on my board but I thought it was just cold weather or something.

back to indy I guess, I'll give these aces one more shot. bummed on the ventures though, was really loving them, but not really sold on buying another pair.
[close]

im so fucking sorry for doubting the axles.

Call it karma I guess.



Quote from: Xen on January 22, 2020, 04:13:35 PM
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Quote from: off on January 22, 2020, 10:10:59 AM
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Quote from: Xen on January 22, 2020, 09:19:43 AM
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The ACE magic is in bowls, they're not magical/anything special [to me] on street...I ran ACE 33 exclusively for about 2 years and skated great, no issues...lots of park, street, ditches, DIY.

I also prefer mid-trucks. Thunder (Cast usually), Venture Forged, Indy Forged, Theeve, ACE - all hovering around 52/53mm.

I suck at manuals but suck less doing them when riding thunders or ventures.

My weak-ass ledge game is about equal across them all but prefer Venture or Thunders.

Pop = Thunders all day...

I side with Prof. Schmitt, manuals and ollies tell me all I need to know about what I should skate. For me, if I can get those two together the rest is easy. I know I skate the best on Thunders (ACE in bowls) but the wheelbite is very couter productive, love hate relationship. When they work, it's great but when they don't (again wheelbite).

This is why I have the madness.
[close]

cant talk from experience yet but maybe look into the tensor atg. i think they are all 55mm in height and i hear that they perform similarly to thunder. definitely gonna be the next truck i try
[close]

That's what I'm current riding, I've not broken out the tape measure but axle to axle you can clearly see they sit a little taller than Venture cast so I assume the 55mm measurement is on point.

So far, they've been great and do feel like Thunders to me, I had zero adjustment skating them on tranny or street (compared to Ventures).

I really want to make the Ventures work the ollies and manuals were great (better manuals than the tensors) but the turn isn't as good in comparison.

Quote from: Banned from the room on January 22, 2020, 03:56:30 PM
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I lost impossibles with the truck change. Things clips on the way in goes vertically or goes 360 pressure flip.

I was amused for a like the first 4 or 5 misses I stopped trying at 12

Put aces on an boom 1st try.

Im not going to give up on this
[close]

Impossibles being THE trick I have on lock anywhere, anytime, trucks have ZERO impact on them if you are wrapping correctly (speaking strictly flatground here, not actually doing them over things where you do need your pop).
[close]

idk. Thats kinda my thing too. Think its because my aces where broken loose and now im on new ventures in 15 degree weather

I been impossibling for a few decades.

I got one a min ago but now im all sad boy again. Primo both fucking axles jammed and thats the end of my flirt with venture.

I want to fucking beat my own head in. Why oh why is this all happening. Brand new decks breaking low impact fucking axle slippage.


How do i post a video of me doing an impossible then beating my own head in with my fucking brand new 5.6s like im gg fucking allin.

Im going to go ask my shop for help tomorrow because im a fucking burnt out old fucking piece of gutter trash that cant afford fucking postage


Fuckfuckfuckfuck kline gzgicgudkgkcjf

Oh look my fist wrote the nane of someone who fucking hates me. Awesome  lets see what else i can focus out of this fucking pos....


ink inn by g2g nh txt gf g2g g2g cu fthcj b.s. khg hmmm xnghvhg

Yo man, I have a set of 44's that are sitting in a box. I tried to pm you about them. Send me your details and they're all yours.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on January 22, 2020, 05:50:48 PM
both krux 8.25 and thunder 148 measured 1/16 short of 8.25 for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 50mm on January 22, 2020, 06:48:27 PM
Want to buy new bushings for my indy 149s but I don't want to break them in or buy them right now. I have some Indy low conicals that are brand new that I was going to put on Thunders but I think it will throw the geometry off. Would I be correct to assume it would?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on January 22, 2020, 06:52:31 PM
Quote from: 50mm on January 22, 2020, 06:48:27 PM
Want to buy new bushings for my indy 149s but I don't want to break them in or buy them right now. I have some Indy low conicals that are brand new that I was going to put on Thunders but I think it will throw the geometry off. Would I be correct to assume it would?
I believe so, I think one of the bushings is taller than a stock Indy? Also could be wrong but I’m absolutely sure someone here knows an exact measurement of every bushing that’s made
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 22, 2020, 06:58:16 PM
Quote from: TwisT on January 22, 2020, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on January 22, 2020, 08:00:47 AM
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Hey guys does anyone know if the Destructo D1 have full length axles or are they the in-between sizes like the Tensor Tens models? I was looking at some D1 5.5s but theyre listed as having 8.125" axles some places and 8.25" other places. I have a pair of D2 5.75 that are 8.5" axle so I was wondering if the D1 are different.
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(http://i.imgur.com/eph5VXWl.jpg)

so yeah 8.125

what other "8.25" trucks are a little shorter

Theeve 5.5s are 8.18"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 22, 2020, 07:01:38 PM
Quote from: 50mm on January 22, 2020, 06:48:27 PM
Want to buy new bushings for my indy 149s but I don't want to break them in or buy them right now. I have some Indy low conicals that are brand new that I was going to put on Thunders but I think it will throw the geometry off. Would I be correct to assume it would?

Recently had to post a pic here, Thunder bottom bushing is definitely taller than an Indy standard. I don't think any other brand has a bottom bushing as tall as Thunder.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108816.msg3198275#msg3198275
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 22, 2020, 07:03:10 PM
Film 6.0
8.625 Axles (perfect for 8.38-8.75)
53mm tall
360g
Cast baseplates
Interlocking top bushing
Urethane pivot cups (no squeaking)
Super low kingpin

Ordered from https://eurotings.com/collections/all-film  which might be the only US distributor currently

Right off the bay they're stable as hell and turn amazingly well.  Almost like a stable Ace.  You can go DEEP before you get wheelbite.  Quality is flawless

Will report back after a couple sessions this weekend

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49427461232_3ab8751800_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49426765158_b4dd782e2a_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49426765088_9ed0a87fcf_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49427461207_f65f719ff9_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49427461227_3f2eb08ba1_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 22, 2020, 07:03:47 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on January 22, 2020, 05:30:21 PM
Quote from: Weezil on January 21, 2020, 03:30:27 PM
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finally got a dry day even though it was cold as fuck and got the itch to skate. recently got some bones bushings because I heard they don't freeze up too bad when it's cold. tried them in a pair of spent indy 144 I had lying around, turned great but felt like it made the pop suck, figured I'd fuck around and put a pair of venture 5.8s on my board and just skate them and slipped both axles. so fucking bummed, had heelflips dialed in and nollie back 180s nice and popped today too. made my shit skate like a Walmart board though it was so bad, happened last time I had them on my board but I thought it was just cold weather or something.

back to indy I guess, I'll give these aces one more shot. bummed on the ventures though, was really loving them, but not really sold on buying another pair.
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im so fucking sorry for doubting the axles.

Call it karma I guess.



Quote from: Xen on January 22, 2020, 04:13:35 PM
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Quote from: off on January 22, 2020, 10:10:59 AM
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Quote from: Xen on January 22, 2020, 09:19:43 AM
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The ACE magic is in bowls, they're not magical/anything special [to me] on street...I ran ACE 33 exclusively for about 2 years and skated great, no issues...lots of park, street, ditches, DIY.

I also prefer mid-trucks. Thunder (Cast usually), Venture Forged, Indy Forged, Theeve, ACE - all hovering around 52/53mm.

I suck at manuals but suck less doing them when riding thunders or ventures.

My weak-ass ledge game is about equal across them all but prefer Venture or Thunders.

Pop = Thunders all day...

I side with Prof. Schmitt, manuals and ollies tell me all I need to know about what I should skate. For me, if I can get those two together the rest is easy. I know I skate the best on Thunders (ACE in bowls) but the wheelbite is very couter productive, love hate relationship. When they work, it's great but when they don't (again wheelbite).

This is why I have the madness.
[close]

cant talk from experience yet but maybe look into the tensor atg. i think they are all 55mm in height and i hear that they perform similarly to thunder. definitely gonna be the next truck i try
[close]

That's what I'm current riding, I've not broken out the tape measure but axle to axle you can clearly see they sit a little taller than Venture cast so I assume the 55mm measurement is on point.

So far, they've been great and do feel like Thunders to me, I had zero adjustment skating them on tranny or street (compared to Ventures).

I really want to make the Ventures work the ollies and manuals were great (better manuals than the tensors) but the turn isn't as good in comparison.

Quote from: Banned from the room on January 22, 2020, 03:56:30 PM
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I lost impossibles with the truck change. Things clips on the way in goes vertically or goes 360 pressure flip.

I was amused for a like the first 4 or 5 misses I stopped trying at 12

Put aces on an boom 1st try.

Im not going to give up on this
[close]

Impossibles being THE trick I have on lock anywhere, anytime, trucks have ZERO impact on them if you are wrapping correctly (speaking strictly flatground here, not actually doing them over things where you do need your pop).
[close]

idk. Thats kinda my thing too. Think its because my aces where broken loose and now im on new ventures in 15 degree weather

I been impossibling for a few decades.

I got one a min ago but now im all sad boy again. Primo both fucking axles jammed and thats the end of my flirt with venture.

I want to fucking beat my own head in. Why oh why is this all happening. Brand new decks breaking low impact fucking axle slippage.


How do i post a video of me doing an impossible then beating my own head in with my fucking brand new 5.6s like im gg fucking allin.

Im going to go ask my shop for help tomorrow because im a fucking burnt out old fucking piece of gutter trash that cant afford fucking postage


Fuckfuckfuckfuck kline gzgicgudkgkcjf

Oh look my fist wrote the nane of someone who fucking hates me. Awesome  lets see what else i can focus out of this fucking pos....


ink inn by g2g nh txt gf g2g g2g cu fthcj b.s. khg hmmm xnghvhg

I feel you, decades here too. I remember it taking weeks, then I finally put in 3 straight fucking hours in a driveway until I got them (mostly stationary) and have pulled them out non-stop since. Up shit, down shit onto shit, out of shit, choose how much wrap, etc. It's my tre-flip.

Find the truck that works mang.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 50mm on January 22, 2020, 07:04:57 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 22, 2020, 07:01:38 PM
Quote from: 50mm on January 22, 2020, 06:48:27 PM
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Want to buy new bushings for my indy 149s but I don't want to break them in or buy them right now. I have some Indy low conicals that are brand new that I was going to put on Thunders but I think it will throw the geometry off. Would I be correct to assume it would?
[close]

Recently had to post a pic here, Thunder bottom bushing is definitely taller than an Indy standard. I don't think any other brand has a bottom bushing as tall as Thunder.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108816.msg3198275#msg3198275
The bottoms on my indy's aren't blown out, it's the top bushings. The lows seem like the top bushing is slightly lower. Might put on the top bushing only but then I'm afraid of some weird franken-truck shit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 22, 2020, 07:11:08 PM
Quote from: 50mm on January 22, 2020, 07:04:57 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 22, 2020, 07:01:38 PM
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Quote from: 50mm on January 22, 2020, 06:48:27 PM
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Want to buy new bushings for my indy 149s but I don't want to break them in or buy them right now. I have some Indy low conicals that are brand new that I was going to put on Thunders but I think it will throw the geometry off. Would I be correct to assume it would?
[close]

Recently had to post a pic here, Thunder bottom bushing is definitely taller than an Indy standard. I don't think any other brand has a bottom bushing as tall as Thunder.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108816.msg3198275#msg3198275
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The bottoms on my indy's aren't blown out, it's the top bushings. The lows seem like the top bushing is slightly lower. Might put on the top bushing only but then I'm afraid of some weird franken-truck shit.

Oh, understood. Top bushings aren't going to screw with your geometry, but yes Indy low top bushings are quite a bit shorter than standards. Just means you'll have to tighten the kingpin nut down more, definitely have some thread overhang and might turn differently depending how loose you run.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 50mm on January 22, 2020, 07:15:00 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 22, 2020, 07:11:08 PM
Quote from: 50mm on January 22, 2020, 07:04:57 PM
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Quote from: palelight on January 22, 2020, 07:01:38 PM
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Quote from: 50mm on January 22, 2020, 06:48:27 PM
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Want to buy new bushings for my indy 149s but I don't want to break them in or buy them right now. I have some Indy low conicals that are brand new that I was going to put on Thunders but I think it will throw the geometry off. Would I be correct to assume it would?
[close]

Recently had to post a pic here, Thunder bottom bushing is definitely taller than an Indy standard. I don't think any other brand has a bottom bushing as tall as Thunder.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108816.msg3198275#msg3198275
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The bottoms on my indy's aren't blown out, it's the top bushings. The lows seem like the top bushing is slightly lower. Might put on the top bushing only but then I'm afraid of some weird franken-truck shit.
[close]

Oh, understood. Top bushings aren't going to screw with your geometry, but yes Indy low top bushings are quite a bit shorter than standards. Just means you'll have to tighten the kingpin nut down more, definitely have some thread overhang and might turn differently depending how loose you run.
Love the truck thread. Thanks man, just gonna order some. It's been so long since I fucked with bushings. Not since I was young and I skated trucks tight. Now I am liking looser trucks but I'm afraid the red ones will be too soft. Right now I have the orange ones that came with the trucks and I don't even remember when I bought them. Probably like 5 years ago because I didn't skate much over the years.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on January 22, 2020, 07:22:06 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on January 22, 2020, 05:30:21 PM
Quote from: Weezil on January 21, 2020, 03:30:27 PM
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finally got a dry day even though it was cold as fuck and got the itch to skate. recently got some bones bushings because I heard they don't freeze up too bad when it's cold. tried them in a pair of spent indy 144 I had lying around, turned great but felt like it made the pop suck, figured I'd fuck around and put a pair of venture 5.8s on my board and just skate them and slipped both axles. so fucking bummed, had heelflips dialed in and nollie back 180s nice and popped today too. made my shit skate like a Walmart board though it was so bad, happened last time I had them on my board but I thought it was just cold weather or something.

back to indy I guess, I'll give these aces one more shot. bummed on the ventures though, was really loving them, but not really sold on buying another pair.
[close]

im so fucking sorry for doubting the axles.

Call it karma I guess.
all good man, I was just about to reply that I messaged them and they're gonna send me a new pair. send them a message for sure. dlx got back to me really fast, hoping this next pair lets me go to the axle because I fuck with dlx for that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 22, 2020, 07:24:38 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 22, 2020, 07:03:10 PM
Film 6.0
8.625 Axles (perfect for 8.38-8.75)
53mm tall
360g
Cast baseplates
Interlocking top bushing
Urethane pivot cups (no squeaking)
Super low kingpin

Ordered from https://eurotings.com/collections/all-film  which might be the only US distributor currently

Right off the bay they're stable as hell and turn amazingly well.  Almost like a stable Ace.  You can go DEEP before you get wheelbite.  Quality is flawless

Will report back after a couple sessions this weekend


Nice. Any measurements for the affect on wheelbase?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 22, 2020, 07:27:21 PM
Quote from: 50mm on January 22, 2020, 07:15:00 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 22, 2020, 07:11:08 PM
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Quote from: 50mm on January 22, 2020, 07:04:57 PM
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Quote from: palelight on January 22, 2020, 07:01:38 PM
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Quote from: 50mm on January 22, 2020, 06:48:27 PM
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Want to buy new bushings for my indy 149s but I don't want to break them in or buy them right now. I have some Indy low conicals that are brand new that I was going to put on Thunders but I think it will throw the geometry off. Would I be correct to assume it would?
[close]

Recently had to post a pic here, Thunder bottom bushing is definitely taller than an Indy standard. I don't think any other brand has a bottom bushing as tall as Thunder.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108816.msg3198275#msg3198275
[close]
The bottoms on my indy's aren't blown out, it's the top bushings. The lows seem like the top bushing is slightly lower. Might put on the top bushing only but then I'm afraid of some weird franken-truck shit.
[close]

Oh, understood. Top bushings aren't going to screw with your geometry, but yes Indy low top bushings are quite a bit shorter than standards. Just means you'll have to tighten the kingpin nut down more, definitely have some thread overhang and might turn differently depending how loose you run.
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Love the truck thread. Thanks man, just gonna order some. It's been so long since I fucked with bushings. Not since I was young and I skated trucks tight. Now I am liking looser trucks but I'm afraid the red ones will be too soft. Right now I have the orange ones that came with the trucks and I don't even remember when I bought them. Probably like 5 years ago because I didn't skate much over the years.

No worries. To give you an idea, people like Gerwer, Matt Rodriguez, and Jordan Trahan all shave down the top bushing to run super loose while still getting the nylock on the kingpin nut to catch. With a low top bushing you're getting the same effect without having to cut anything down.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 22, 2020, 07:32:00 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 22, 2020, 07:03:10 PM
Film 6.0
8.625 Axles (perfect for 8.38-8.75)
53mm tall
360g
Cast baseplates
Interlocking top bushing
Urethane pivot cups (no squeaking)
Super low kingpin

Ordered from https://eurotings.com/collections/all-film  which might be the only US distributor currently

Right off the bay they're stable as hell and turn amazingly well.  Almost like a stable Ace.  You can go DEEP before you get wheelbite.  Quality is flawless

Will report back after a couple sessions this weekend

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49427461232_3ab8751800_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49426765158_b4dd782e2a_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49426765088_9ed0a87fcf_z.jpg)
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thats a good looking truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 22, 2020, 07:37:18 PM
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finally got a dry day even though it was cold as fuck and got the itch to skate. recently got some bones bushings because I heard they don't freeze up too bad when it's cold. tried them in a pair of spent indy 144 I had lying around, turned great but felt like it made the pop suck, figured I'd fuck around and put a pair of venture 5.8s on my board and just skate them and slipped both axles. so fucking bummed, had heelflips dialed in and nollie back 180s nice and popped today too. made my shit skate like a Walmart board though it was so bad, happened last time I had them on my board but I thought it was just cold weather or something.

back to indy I guess, I'll give these aces one more shot. bummed on the ventures though, was really loving them, but not really sold on buying another pair.
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im so fucking sorry for doubting the axles.

Call it karma I guess.
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all good man, I was just about to reply that I messaged them and they're gonna send me a new pair. send them a message for sure. dlx got back to me really fast, hoping this next pair lets me go to the axle because I fuck with dlx for that.


yeah I slipped both knocked them back. Went home the board warmed up and they're back to normal i guess.



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 22, 2020, 07:40:30 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 22, 2020, 07:03:10 PM
Film 6.0
8.625 Axles (perfect for 8.38-8.75)
53mm tall
360g
Cast baseplates
Interlocking top bushing
Urethane pivot cups (no squeaking)
Super low kingpin

Ordered from https://eurotings.com/collections/all-film  which might be the only US distributor currently

Right off the bay they're stable as hell and turn amazingly well.  Almost like a stable Ace.  You can go DEEP before you get wheelbite.  Quality is flawless

Will report back after a couple sessions this weekend

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49427461232_3ab8751800_z.jpg)
Hey, thanks for taking point on this one. I'm interested to hear how you like them.
I'm not 100% but I think these use 7000-series aluminum alloy so they should grind similar to Ace.
I think Offset skate shop in the UK had info on bushing heights if you wanna play around. Iirc you can use a normal bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 22, 2020, 07:46:49 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 22, 2020, 07:24:38 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 22, 2020, 07:03:10 PM
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Film 6.0
8.625 Axles (perfect for 8.38-8.75)
53mm tall
360g
Cast baseplates
Interlocking top bushing
Urethane pivot cups (no squeaking)
Super low kingpin

Ordered from https://eurotings.com/collections/all-film  which might be the only US distributor currently

Right off the bay they're stable as hell and turn amazingly well.  Almost like a stable Ace.  You can go DEEP before you get wheelbite.  Quality is flawless

Will report back after a couple sessions this weekend

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Nice. Any measurements for the affect on wheelbase?

I swapped thunders for them.  The measurement was 1/8" shorter with the Films
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 22, 2020, 07:53:45 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 22, 2020, 07:01:38 PM
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Want to buy new bushings for my indy 149s but I don't want to break them in or buy them right now. I have some Indy low conicals that are brand new that I was going to put on Thunders but I think it will throw the geometry off. Would I be correct to assume it would?
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Recently had to post a pic here, Thunder bottom bushing is definitely taller than an Indy standard. I don't think any other brand has a bottom bushing as tall as Thunder.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108816.msg3198275#msg3198275
I haven't messed with Thunders but the Supercush bottom bushing has always been thicker, top bushing thinner, by about 1mm. Been like this since the late-90's when I first saw the bait n tackle stuff, Lucky bushings were the same way too. Tiny differences but I could kinda feel it in the way the trucks carved.
My fave 90's setup was orange Supercush bottom shaved down to reg Indy height and stock Indy top bushing.
Felt more stable on center but also more carvy than stock Indy. And would return to center almost on its own when you stopped carving.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 22, 2020, 08:07:34 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 22, 2020, 07:46:49 PM
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Film 6.0
8.625 Axles (perfect for 8.38-8.75)
53mm tall
360g
Cast baseplates
Interlocking top bushing
Urethane pivot cups (no squeaking)
Super low kingpin

Ordered from https://eurotings.com/collections/all-film  which might be the only US distributor currently

Right off the bay they're stable as hell and turn amazingly well.  Almost like a stable Ace.  You can go DEEP before you get wheelbite.  Quality is flawless

Will report back after a couple sessions this weekend

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Nice. Any measurements for the affect on wheelbase?
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I swapped thunders for them.  The measurement was 1/8" shorter with the Films

Thanks man. That'd put them firmly in the Indy measurement for wb, which is what Jeremie said in an interview about Film, so that makes sense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 22, 2020, 08:17:36 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 22, 2020, 08:07:34 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 22, 2020, 07:46:49 PM
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Film 6.0
8.625 Axles (perfect for 8.38-8.75)
53mm tall
360g
Cast baseplates
Interlocking top bushing
Urethane pivot cups (no squeaking)
Super low kingpin

Ordered from https://eurotings.com/collections/all-film  which might be the only US distributor currently

Right off the bay they're stable as hell and turn amazingly well.  Almost like a stable Ace.  You can go DEEP before you get wheelbite.  Quality is flawless

Will report back after a couple sessions this weekend

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Nice. Any measurements for the affect on wheelbase?
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I swapped thunders for them.  The measurement was 1/8" shorter with the Films
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Thanks man. That'd put them firmly in the Indy measurement for wb, which is what Jeremie said in an interview about Film, so that makes sense.
I think you pay better attention to the numbers than I do.
This is similar to forged Indy? Tiny bit longer wb than cast Indy?
Daddy likey ;D


Steve. Check the height please. Think I've seen 51mm, 53mm, and 55mm listed.
1" = 25.4mm if you don't have metric stuff.
2" ~= 51mm..
1/8" ~= 3mm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 22, 2020, 08:24:58 PM
Quote from: satan on January 22, 2020, 08:17:36 PM
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Film 6.0
8.625 Axles (perfect for 8.38-8.75)
53mm tall
360g
Cast baseplates
Interlocking top bushing
Urethane pivot cups (no squeaking)
Super low kingpin

Ordered from https://eurotings.com/collections/all-film  which might be the only US distributor currently

Right off the bay they're stable as hell and turn amazingly well.  Almost like a stable Ace.  You can go DEEP before you get wheelbite.  Quality is flawless

Will report back after a couple sessions this weekend

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Nice. Any measurements for the affect on wheelbase?
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I swapped thunders for them.  The measurement was 1/8" shorter with the Films
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Thanks man. That'd put them firmly in the Indy measurement for wb, which is what Jeremie said in an interview about Film, so that makes sense.
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I think you pay better attention to the numbers than I do.
This is similar to forged Indy? Tiny bit longer wb than cast Indy?
Daddy likey ;D


Steve. Check the height please. Think I've seen 51mm, 53mm, and 55mm listed.
1" = 25.4mm if you don't have metric stuff.
2" ~= 51mm..
1/8" ~= 3mm

If I go off my re-measure of Thunder Teams here, minus an 1/8" off 3.125" would put them right at +3," so in line with standard Indy cast.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108816.msg3198275#msg3198275

Makes sense since Jeremie and Soy were long time Indy guys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 22, 2020, 09:13:55 PM
Quote from: palelight on January 22, 2020, 08:24:58 PM
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Film 6.0
8.625 Axles (perfect for 8.38-8.75)
53mm tall
360g
Cast baseplates
Interlocking top bushing
Urethane pivot cups (no squeaking)
Super low kingpin

Ordered from https://eurotings.com/collections/all-film  which might be the only US distributor currently

Right off the bay they're stable as hell and turn amazingly well.  Almost like a stable Ace.  You can go DEEP before you get wheelbite.  Quality is flawless

Will report back after a couple sessions this weekend

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Nice. Any measurements for the affect on wheelbase?
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I swapped thunders for them.  The measurement was 1/8" shorter with the Films
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Thanks man. That'd put them firmly in the Indy measurement for wb, which is what Jeremie said in an interview about Film, so that makes sense.
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I think you pay better attention to the numbers than I do.
This is similar to forged Indy? Tiny bit longer wb than cast Indy?
Daddy likey ;D


Steve. Check the height please. Think I've seen 51mm, 53mm, and 55mm listed.
1" = 25.4mm if you don't have metric stuff.
2" ~= 51mm..
1/8" ~= 3mm
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If I go off my re-measure of Thunder Teams here, minus an 1/8" off 3.125" would put them right at +3," so in line with standard Indy cast.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108816.msg3198275#msg3198275

Makes sense since Jeremie and Soy were long time Indy guys.
Oh, ok. Didn't know that about them. But watching Jeremie's slappy game he strikes me as an Indy og.
Film are sounding really nice.. Hype them up for me guys. My next truck purchase will not be Indy's, I promise.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on January 22, 2020, 09:17:37 PM
For such a solid looking 8.6 truck, and now hollow/forged/titanium anywhere that im aware of, 360g is quite light considering Indy 159 hollow forged are 358.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on January 23, 2020, 02:40:20 AM
Quote from: Banned from the room on January 22, 2020, 07:32:00 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 22, 2020, 07:03:10 PM
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Film 6.0
8.625 Axles (perfect for 8.38-8.75)
53mm tall
360g
Cast baseplates
Interlocking top bushing
Urethane pivot cups (no squeaking)
Super low kingpin

Ordered from https://eurotings.com/collections/all-film  which might be the only US distributor currently

Right off the bay they're stable as hell and turn amazingly well.  Almost like a stable Ace.  You can go DEEP before you get wheelbite.  Quality is flawless

Will report back after a couple sessions this weekend

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49427461232_3ab8751800_z.jpg)
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thats a good looking truck
I wanted to try Film badly but after seeing that top bushing now I'm fucking desperate and that sucks since is impossible for me to get them here in Chile... :'(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on January 23, 2020, 04:54:36 AM
Oh shit thanks Steve I've wanted to try Film for a long time but didn't know you could get them in the states.

Definitely going to order a set, I guess I'll have to save the D1/ATG for the next time my truck madness flares up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 23, 2020, 06:14:03 AM
Quote from: moonordie on January 23, 2020, 02:40:20 AM
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Film 6.0
8.625 Axles (perfect for 8.38-8.75)
53mm tall
360g
Cast baseplates
Interlocking top bushing
Urethane pivot cups (no squeaking)
Super low kingpin

Ordered from https://eurotings.com/collections/all-film  which might be the only US distributor currently

Right off the bay they're stable as hell and turn amazingly well.  Almost like a stable Ace.  You can go DEEP before you get wheelbite.  Quality is flawless

Will report back after a couple sessions this weekend

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49427461232_3ab8751800_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49426765158_b4dd782e2a_z.jpg)
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thats a good looking truck
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I wanted to try Film badly but after seeing that top bushing now I'm fucking desperate and that sucks since is impossible for me to get them here in Chile... :'(

right there no way thats going to lose contact with the hanger yoke when you turn.

My bones basically break into that shape and spooge into the yoke anyway.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 23, 2020, 06:39:51 AM
Quote from: Banned from the room on January 23, 2020, 06:14:03 AM
Quote from: moonordie on January 23, 2020, 02:40:20 AM
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Film 6.0
8.625 Axles (perfect for 8.38-8.75)
53mm tall
360g
Cast baseplates
Interlocking top bushing
Urethane pivot cups (no squeaking)
Super low kingpin

Ordered from https://eurotings.com/collections/all-film  which might be the only US distributor currently

Right off the bay they're stable as hell and turn amazingly well.  Almost like a stable Ace.  You can go DEEP before you get wheelbite.  Quality is flawless

Will report back after a couple sessions this weekend

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49427461232_3ab8751800_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49426765158_b4dd782e2a_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49426765088_9ed0a87fcf_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49427461207_f65f719ff9_z.jpg)
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thats a good looking truck
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I wanted to try Film badly but after seeing that top bushing now I'm fucking desperate and that sucks since is impossible for me to get them here in Chile... :'(
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right there no way thats going to lose contact with the hanger yoke when you turn.

My bones basically break into that shape and spooge into the yoke anyway.

I found this review about their bushings from an online store in the UK.  Pretty cool.  Also note that Tensor ATG have a similar top bushing which makes sense considering the same dude worked on both trucks

Most bushings are fairly standard – either a barrel or a cone for the bottom of the truck (i.e. nearest to the board) and a cone on the top. Some companies have played with inserts to make the bushing more solid, and some have produced “stepped” bushings to hold the bushing in place better, but as far as we’re aware none* have tried to eliminate or reduce one of the biggest sources of sloppy truck performance: the hangar moving around the kingpin.

FILM‘s bushings include an insert on the top cone which aims to do the same job a spherical bearing does on CNC trucks – namely keeping the kingpin central in the hangar.

Have you ever been on a truck and felt a slight deadzone, where the truck leans but doesn’t turn? These should help eliminate that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 23, 2020, 07:15:39 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 23, 2020, 06:39:51 AM
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Film 6.0
8.625 Axles (perfect for 8.38-8.75)
53mm tall
360g
Cast baseplates
Interlocking top bushing
Urethane pivot cups (no squeaking)
Super low kingpin

Ordered from https://eurotings.com/collections/all-film  which might be the only US distributor currently

Right off the bay they're stable as hell and turn amazingly well.  Almost like a stable Ace.  You can go DEEP before you get wheelbite.  Quality is flawless

Will report back after a couple sessions this weekend

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49427461232_3ab8751800_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49426765158_b4dd782e2a_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49426765088_9ed0a87fcf_z.jpg)
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thats a good looking truck
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I wanted to try Film badly but after seeing that top bushing now I'm fucking desperate and that sucks since is impossible for me to get them here in Chile... :'(
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right there no way thats going to lose contact with the hanger yoke when you turn.

My bones basically break into that shape and spooge into the yoke anyway.
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I found this review about their bushings from an online store in the UK.  Pretty cool.  Also note that Tensor ATG have a similar top bushing which makes sense considering the same dude worked on both trucks

Most bushings are fairly standard – either a barrel or a cone for the bottom of the truck (i.e. nearest to the board) and a cone on the top. Some companies have played with inserts to make the bushing more solid, and some have produced “stepped” bushings to hold the bushing in place better, but as far as we’re aware none* have tried to eliminate or reduce one of the biggest sources of sloppy truck performance: the hangar moving around the kingpin.

FILM‘s bushings include an insert on the top cone which aims to do the same job a spherical bearing does on CNC trucks – namely keeping the kingpin central in the hangar.

Have you ever been on a truck and felt a slight deadzone, where the truck leans but doesn’t turn? These should help eliminate that.

werd up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diamonds and Wood on January 23, 2020, 07:20:32 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 23, 2020, 06:39:51 AM
Quote from: Banned from the room on January 23, 2020, 06:14:03 AM
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Film 6.0
8.625 Axles (perfect for 8.38-8.75)
53mm tall
360g
Cast baseplates
Interlocking top bushing
Urethane pivot cups (no squeaking)
Super low kingpin

Ordered from https://eurotings.com/collections/all-film  which might be the only US distributor currently

Right off the bay they're stable as hell and turn amazingly well.  Almost like a stable Ace.  You can go DEEP before you get wheelbite.  Quality is flawless

Will report back after a couple sessions this weekend

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49427461232_3ab8751800_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49426765158_b4dd782e2a_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49426765088_9ed0a87fcf_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49427461207_f65f719ff9_z.jpg)
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thats a good looking truck
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I wanted to try Film badly but after seeing that top bushing now I'm fucking desperate and that sucks since is impossible for me to get them here in Chile... :'(
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right there no way thats going to lose contact with the hanger yoke when you turn.

My bones basically break into that shape and spooge into the yoke anyway.
[close]

I found this review about their bushings from an online store in the UK.  Pretty cool.  Also note that Tensor ATG have a similar top bushing which makes sense considering the same dude worked on both trucks

Most bushings are fairly standard – either a barrel or a cone for the bottom of the truck (i.e. nearest to the board) and a cone on the top. Some companies have played with inserts to make the bushing more solid, and some have produced “stepped” bushings to hold the bushing in place better, but as far as we’re aware none* have tried to eliminate or reduce one of the biggest sources of sloppy truck performance: the hangar moving around the kingpin.

FILM‘s bushings include an insert on the top cone which aims to do the same job a spherical bearing does on CNC trucks – namely keeping the kingpin central in the hangar.

Have you ever been on a truck and felt a slight deadzone, where the truck leans but doesn’t turn? These should help eliminate that.
I want you to hit axle on these. Report back in 3-9 months pls.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cricketclub on January 23, 2020, 07:30:41 AM
I'm still curious about trying some Venture 5.2 Lows.

Right now I have hollow indy 139's (standards) on on a 14.25" wb deck with standard seeming fingers of flat - about 2 - before the kicks.

So to replicate the axle to axle wheelbase and maintain a good manual point I should look for a 14" wb deck with 2 fingers of flat? This sound right? This is according to Ben Degros vids. Thanks Ben if you read this!

I do a lot of manuals. Should I just get the 5.2 High's? I was thinking flip tricks might be fun on a lower board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on January 23, 2020, 07:45:24 AM
Quote from: cricketclub on January 23, 2020, 07:30:41 AM
I'm still curious about trying some Venture 5.2 Lows.

Right now I have hollow indy 139's on on a 14.25" wb deck with standard seeming fingers of flat - about 2 - before the kicks.

So to replicate the axle to axle wheelbase and maintain a good manual point I should look for a 14" wb deck with 2 fingers of flat? This sound right? This is according to Ben Degros vids. Thanks Ben if you read this!

I do a lot of manuals. Should I just get the 5.2 High's? I was thinking flip tricks might be fun on a lower board.

Can't go wrong with Ventures or Thunders. The WB length is a guideline more than hard and fast rules. A lot of other factors like board length, fingers of flat, truck height and wheel size will play into the overall picture.

I always refer to palelight's helpful post here:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

More food for thought regarding Indy Forged vs Thunder Cast, both adding around 3.125 to WB:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108580.msg3187332#msg3187332

I tend to worry a lot about having too long a WB and find Thunder to be a more conservative truck. The word from Ben is that Ventures are slightly better for manuals. Personal preference here: I will go with High trucks over Low ones any way. The few millimeters really fucks with my pop and my tail hits too soon. Just me being knit picking and biased.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cricketclub on January 23, 2020, 07:52:26 AM
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I'm still curious about trying some Venture 5.2 Lows.

Right now I have hollow indy 139's on on a 14.25" wb deck with standard seeming fingers of flat - about 2 - before the kicks.

So to replicate the axle to axle wheelbase and maintain a good manual point I should look for a 14" wb deck with 2 fingers of flat? This sound right? This is according to Ben Degros vids. Thanks Ben if you read this!

I do a lot of manuals. Should I just get the 5.2 High's? I was thinking flip tricks might be fun on a lower board.
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Can't go wrong with Ventures or Thunders. The WB length is a guideline more than hard and fast rules. A lot of other factors like board length, fingers of flat, truck height and wheel size will play into the overall picture.

I always refer to palelight's helpful post here:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

More food for thought regarding Indy Forged vs Thunder Cast, both adding around 3.125 to WB:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108580.msg3187332#msg3187332

I tend to worry a lot about having too long a WB and find Thunder to be a more conservative truck. The word from Ben is that Ventures are slightly better for manuals. Personal preference here: I will go with High trucks over Low ones any way. The few millimeters really fucks with my pop and my tail hits too soon. Just me being knit picking and biased.

Thanks! Wow those palelight posts are great. I used to not even try to think too much about trucks because it was so confusing and there are so many variables. Now the more I learn... the more variables I discover! It's more complicated than I even imagined.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 23, 2020, 08:11:42 AM
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Film 6.0
8.625 Axles (perfect for 8.38-8.75)
53mm tall
360g
Cast baseplates
Interlocking top bushing
Urethane pivot cups (no squeaking)
Super low kingpin

Ordered from https://eurotings.com/collections/all-film  which might be the only US distributor currently

Right off the bay they're stable as hell and turn amazingly well.  Almost like a stable Ace.  You can go DEEP before you get wheelbite.  Quality is flawless

Will report back after a couple sessions this weekend

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thats a good looking truck
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I wanted to try Film badly but after seeing that top bushing now I'm fucking desperate and that sucks since is impossible for me to get them here in Chile... :'(
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right there no way thats going to lose contact with the hanger yoke when you turn.

My bones basically break into that shape and spooge into the yoke anyway.
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I found this review about their bushings from an online store in the UK.  Pretty cool.  Also note that Tensor ATG have a similar top bushing which makes sense considering the same dude worked on both trucks

Most bushings are fairly standard – either a barrel or a cone for the bottom of the truck (i.e. nearest to the board) and a cone on the top. Some companies have played with inserts to make the bushing more solid, and some have produced “stepped” bushings to hold the bushing in place better, but as far as we’re aware none* have tried to eliminate or reduce one of the biggest sources of sloppy truck performance: the hangar moving around the kingpin.

FILM‘s bushings include an insert on the top cone which aims to do the same job a spherical bearing does on CNC trucks – namely keeping the kingpin central in the hangar.

Have you ever been on a truck and felt a slight deadzone, where the truck leans but doesn’t turn? These should help eliminate that.
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I want you to hit axle on these. Report back in 3-9 months pls.

3-9 years*
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 50mm on January 23, 2020, 08:24:12 AM
Went ahead and ordered the red soft Indy bushings. Been riding stock orange for like 5 years. Not too much skating in that time besides bursts of a couple months at a time but the top bushings are done. I like a looser ride nowadays so I hope these will help me get that feel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 23, 2020, 10:30:41 AM
Quote from: 50mm on January 23, 2020, 08:24:12 AM
Went ahead and ordered the red soft Indy bushings. Been riding stock orange for like 5 years. Not too much skating in that time besides bursts of a couple months at a time but the top bushings are done. I like a looser ride nowadays so I hope these will help me get that feel.

88a vs 90a isn't that big of deal to be honest...conical vs barrel would tho.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 50mm on January 23, 2020, 10:32:32 AM
Quote from: Xen on January 23, 2020, 10:30:41 AM
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Went ahead and ordered the red soft Indy bushings. Been riding stock orange for like 5 years. Not too much skating in that time besides bursts of a couple months at a time but the top bushings are done. I like a looser ride nowadays so I hope these will help me get that feel.
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88a vs 90a isn't that big of deal to be honest...conical vs barrel would tho.
cool thanks! I tried conical on thunders and hated it. Felt like a balancing act.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on January 23, 2020, 10:35:21 AM
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Went ahead and ordered the red soft Indy bushings. Been riding stock orange for like 5 years. Not too much skating in that time besides bursts of a couple months at a time but the top bushings are done. I like a looser ride nowadays so I hope these will help me get that feel.
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88a vs 90a isn't that big of deal to be honest...conical vs barrel would tho.

I am running 92a barrel in my 159s and am looking to soften it up a little.  I have both 90a barrel and 92a conical in my cart to try.    It may be futile, but I am trying to get a bit more of an Ace like turn.  I am running 66s on a bigger setup may pick up some new 8.75 Ace when they come out in the spring - but I don't want to buy a set of 55s now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on January 23, 2020, 10:47:21 AM
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Went ahead and ordered the red soft Indy bushings. Been riding stock orange for like 5 years. Not too much skating in that time besides bursts of a couple months at a time but the top bushings are done. I like a looser ride nowadays so I hope these will help me get that feel.
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88a vs 90a isn't that big of deal to be honest...conical vs barrel would tho.
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I am running 92a barrel in my 159s and am looking to soften it up a little.  I have both 90a barrel and 92a conical in my cart to try.    It may be futile, but I am trying to get a bit more of an Ace like turn.  I am running 66s on a bigger setup may pick up some new 8.75 Ace when they come out in the spring - but I don't want to buy a set of 55s now.

If you want a more Ace like turn why not try Ace bushings? For Indys you have to either order the ace low or shave down the top one a bit to make them fit, but they might be exactly what you want in terms of a little softer than 92a indy barrels. I've got the lows in a set of 149 hollows and like them better than the 88a red aftermarket indy ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 23, 2020, 11:20:46 AM
Quote from: cricketclub on January 23, 2020, 07:30:41 AM
I'm still curious about trying some Venture 5.2 Lows.

Right now I have hollow indy 139's (standards) on on a 14.25" wb deck with standard seeming fingers of flat - about 2 - before the kicks.

So to replicate the axle to axle wheelbase and maintain a good manual point I should look for a 14" wb deck with 2 fingers of flat? This sound right? This is according to Ben Degros vids. Thanks Ben if you read this!

I do a lot of manuals. Should I just get the 5.2 High's? I was thinking flip tricks might be fun on a lower board.

Some will discredit your attempt to replicate, but I get what you are trying to do and yes, your plan will work.

14" WB with Ventures is really nice. 14" for me is pretty short (I prefer 14.25/.35/.44 fuck you decimals) but my manual point is spot on with the HIs (being 53.5).


49mm if I recall correctly on the lows? That's fucking low, and need small wheels...but if manuals and flips (and ledges) is you game I'd say go for it. I rode 49mm ML with 51mm wheels on an 8.3" deck (14.25"WB) and it was crazy fun. I prefer low and wide when streetskating (does NOT translate well to a park setting for transition skating for me tho)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cricketclub on January 23, 2020, 12:01:26 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 23, 2020, 11:20:46 AM
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I'm still curious about trying some Venture 5.2 Lows.

Right now I have hollow indy 139's (standards) on on a 14.25" wb deck with standard seeming fingers of flat - about 2 - before the kicks.

So to replicate the axle to axle wheelbase and maintain a good manual point I should look for a 14" wb deck with 2 fingers of flat? This sound right? This is according to Ben Degros vids. Thanks Ben if you read this!

I do a lot of manuals. Should I just get the 5.2 High's? I was thinking flip tricks might be fun on a lower board.
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Some will discredit your attempt to replicate, but I get what you are trying to do and yes, your plan will work.

14" WB with Ventures is really nice. 14" for me is pretty short (I prefer 14.25/.35/.44 fuck you decimals) but my manual point is spot on with the HIs (being 53.5).


49mm if I recall correctly on the lows? That's fucking low, and need small wheels...but if manuals and flips (and ledges) is you game I'd say go for it. I rode 49mm ML with 51mm wheels on an 8.3" deck (14.25"WB) and it was crazy fun. I prefer low and wide when streetskating (does NOT translate well to a park setting for transition skating for me tho)

Well now I'm considering some Thunder 148's. They are 52.3mm tall (my indy's are 55). That way they are a little lower but not as low as Venture Low. I feel like 8.25 is more versatile than 8 anyway. Thunders also add less to the wheelbase length so I might be able to stick with my 14.25. They also turn better according to many? Who knows...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on January 23, 2020, 12:27:29 PM
I tried the Indy aftermarket Red soft bottom with the Blue med hard top to try and replicate ACE stock bottom with low tops. They work great but ACE is still better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 23, 2020, 12:30:24 PM
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I'm still curious about trying some Venture 5.2 Lows.

Right now I have hollow indy 139's (standards) on on a 14.25" wb deck with standard seeming fingers of flat - about 2 - before the kicks.

So to replicate the axle to axle wheelbase and maintain a good manual point I should look for a 14" wb deck with 2 fingers of flat? This sound right? This is according to Ben Degros vids. Thanks Ben if you read this!

I do a lot of manuals. Should I just get the 5.2 High's? I was thinking flip tricks might be fun on a lower board.
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Some will discredit your attempt to replicate, but I get what you are trying to do and yes, your plan will work.

14" WB with Ventures is really nice. 14" for me is pretty short (I prefer 14.25/.35/.44 fuck you decimals) but my manual point is spot on with the HIs (being 53.5).


49mm if I recall correctly on the lows? That's fucking low, and need small wheels...but if manuals and flips (and ledges) is you game I'd say go for it. I rode 49mm ML with 51mm wheels on an 8.3" deck (14.25"WB) and it was crazy fun. I prefer low and wide when streetskating (does NOT translate well to a park setting for transition skating for me tho)
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Well now I'm considering some Thunder 148's. They are 52.3mm tall (my indy's are 55). That way they are a little lower but not as low as Venture Low. I feel like 8.25 is more versatile than 8 anyway. Thunders also add less to the wheelbase length so I might be able to stick with my 14.25. They also turn better according to many? Who knows...

thunder cast has a shorter axle to axle wb than thunder forged. ive measured a 3.25 for thunder forged every time
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 23, 2020, 01:06:19 PM
Quote from: cricketclub on January 23, 2020, 07:30:41 AM
I'm still curious about trying some Venture 5.2 Lows.

Right now I have hollow indy 139's (standards) on on a 14.25" wb deck with standard seeming fingers of flat - about 2 - before the kicks.

So to replicate the axle to axle wheelbase and maintain a good manual point I should look for a 14" wb deck with 2 fingers of flat? This sound right? This is according to Ben Degros vids. Thanks Ben if you read this!

I do a lot of manuals. Should I just get the 5.2 High's? I was thinking flip tricks might be fun on a lower board.

i felt that lower trucks really only helped me out with like switching grinds and flipping the board little bit faster.

(Im talking from a thunder pov tho im new to modern venture)

I feel having the higher truck makes it a little bit easier to nose/fakie manny vs lows where i struggle with regs nose mannys.

Ben rules

"Washed up 90s pros" lol. I Remember
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ok boomer on January 23, 2020, 01:13:10 PM
Venture lows helped me learn switch flip tricks SO much easier than when I was on Indys.
I feel like the stability of Ventures, for tricks, is underrated. The turn is different for sure, but for flip tricks, I think Ventures are the best.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on January 23, 2020, 01:28:54 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on January 23, 2020, 10:47:21 AM
If you want a more Ace like turn why not try Ace bushings?

I don't have Ace bushings in my Ace. They popped off the bottom washer just doing some garage ollies at stock tightness.  I put them back in and it happened again.  After the third time I took them out and replaced them with some Mini Logo mediums that I had on the workbench.   
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 23, 2020, 01:38:24 PM
Quote from: cricketclub on January 23, 2020, 12:01:26 PM
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I'm still curious about trying some Venture 5.2 Lows.

Right now I have hollow indy 139's (standards) on on a 14.25" wb deck with standard seeming fingers of flat - about 2 - before the kicks.

So to replicate the axle to axle wheelbase and maintain a good manual point I should look for a 14" wb deck with 2 fingers of flat? This sound right? This is according to Ben Degros vids. Thanks Ben if you read this!

I do a lot of manuals. Should I just get the 5.2 High's? I was thinking flip tricks might be fun on a lower board.
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Some will discredit your attempt to replicate, but I get what you are trying to do and yes, your plan will work.

14" WB with Ventures is really nice. 14" for me is pretty short (I prefer 14.25/.35/.44 fuck you decimals) but my manual point is spot on with the HIs (being 53.5).


49mm if I recall correctly on the lows? That's fucking low, and need small wheels...but if manuals and flips (and ledges) is you game I'd say go for it. I rode 49mm ML with 51mm wheels on an 8.3" deck (14.25"WB) and it was crazy fun. I prefer low and wide when streetskating (does NOT translate well to a park setting for transition skating for me tho)
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Well now I'm considering some Thunder 148's. They are 52.3mm tall (my indy's are 55). That way they are a little lower but not as low as Venture Low. I feel like 8.25 is more versatile than 8 anyway. Thunders also add less to the wheelbase length so I might be able to stick with my 14.25. They also turn better according to many? Who knows...

I prefer Thunders over Ventures for everything you've listed.  Suggest TEAM plates tho, even if you were to run Titaniums. Thunder just fucking WB no matter what..If you believe the marketing they started making TEAM everything because of it Pros wanting better clearance/less wheel bite)...cuz you know, dat 1mm ;) Also, I'm guessing cast is cheaper than forged?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: arrbee on January 23, 2020, 03:56:47 PM
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If you want a more Ace like turn why not try Ace bushings?
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I don't have Ace bushings in my Ace. They popped off the bottom washer just doing some garage ollies at stock tightness.  I put them back in and it happened again.  After the third time I took them out and replaced them with some Mini Logo mediums that I had on the workbench.

Same thing happpened tome on stock bushings. Swapped out with bones and then went back to Venture after 2 sessions.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on January 23, 2020, 04:14:02 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 23, 2020, 11:20:46 AM
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I'm still curious about trying some Venture 5.2 Lows.

Right now I have hollow indy 139's (standards) on on a 14.25" wb deck with standard seeming fingers of flat - about 2 - before the kicks.

So to replicate the axle to axle wheelbase and maintain a good manual point I should look for a 14" wb deck with 2 fingers of flat? This sound right? This is according to Ben Degros vids. Thanks Ben if you read this!

I do a lot of manuals. Should I just get the 5.2 High's? I was thinking flip tricks might be fun on a lower board.
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Some will discredit your attempt to replicate, but I get what you are trying to do and yes, your plan will work.

14" WB with Ventures is really nice. 14" for me is pretty short (I prefer 14.25/.35/.44 fuck you decimals) but my manual point is spot on with the HIs (being 53.5).


49mm if I recall correctly on the lows? That's fucking low, and need small wheels...but if manuals and flips (and ledges) is you game I'd say go for it. I rode 49mm ML with 51mm wheels on an 8.3" deck (14.25"WB) and it was crazy fun. I prefer low and wide when streetskating (does NOT translate well to a park setting for transition skating for me tho)

I think the lows are 47.5 but don't quote me on that. Fairly sure they're a bit lower than ML though. I tried 5.2 lo v-hollows and didn't really get along with them in stock configuration, but after putting them on a .1" riser to make a kind of homebrew "venture mid" and swapping to softer bushings I started to really enjoy them. I rode 53mm without wheel bite issues but I also ride my trucks fairly tight so ymmv.

I can't skate 8" decks for very long before my flintstone feet start to piss me off but when I do that's the setup I use 90% of the time. I have indy 139s on a mellow 8" deck as kind of a "throwback" setup but I've never really been able to accomplish much on it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on January 23, 2020, 04:45:16 PM
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I'm still curious about trying some Venture 5.2 Lows.

Right now I have hollow indy 139's (standards) on on a 14.25" wb deck with standard seeming fingers of flat - about 2 - before the kicks.

So to replicate the axle to axle wheelbase and maintain a good manual point I should look for a 14" wb deck with 2 fingers of flat? This sound right? This is according to Ben Degros vids. Thanks Ben if you read this!

I do a lot of manuals. Should I just get the 5.2 High's? I was thinking flip tricks might be fun on a lower board.
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Some will discredit your attempt to replicate, but I get what you are trying to do and yes, your plan will work.

14" WB with Ventures is really nice. 14" for me is pretty short (I prefer 14.25/.35/.44 fuck you decimals) but my manual point is spot on with the HIs (being 53.5).


49mm if I recall correctly on the lows? That's fucking low, and need small wheels...but if manuals and flips (and ledges) is you game I'd say go for it. I rode 49mm ML with 51mm wheels on an 8.3" deck (14.25"WB) and it was crazy fun. I prefer low and wide when streetskating (does NOT translate well to a park setting for transition skating for me tho)
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Well now I'm considering some Thunder 148's. They are 52.3mm tall (my indy's are 55). That way they are a little lower but not as low as Venture Low. I feel like 8.25 is more versatile than 8 anyway. Thunders also add less to the wheelbase length so I might be able to stick with my 14.25. They also turn better according to many? Who knows...
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thunder cast has a shorter axle to axle wb than thunder forged. ive measured a 3.25 for thunder forged every time

At the expense of sounding like a moron how do you tell the difference in cast vs forged? I know forged ones are supposed to be thinner since they are hammered down to be shaped into a mold vs hot metal poured into a mold.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 23, 2020, 06:01:54 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on January 23, 2020, 04:45:16 PM

At the expense of sounding like a moron how do you tell the difference in cast vs forged? I know forged ones are supposed to be thinner since they are hammered down to be shaped into a mold vs hot metal poured into a mold.

Forged have a totally smooth surface. No casting marks at all like normal hangers/plates. Forged plates usually have a intricate design stamp on the bottom of the basplate as well: Indy= huge ironcross logo, Venture = interlocking v design, Thunder = grenade logo?....I think, never owned forged Thunders. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 23, 2020, 09:38:20 PM
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on January 23, 2020, 11:24:24 PM
Tried some 8 inch ventures coming from 8.5 ventures on my 8.25 board. Was hoping that they'd help with flip tricks but the difference isn't very noticeable.

Maybe helps a little bit with some flip tricks if we're really splitting hairs, but honestly it messed with a few of them too because I like to lean my trucks for things like backside flips, switch heels etc and the smaller trucks got wheelbite or made me fall off easier than on a wider truck.

It did turn noticeably sharper though so that was quite nice, but was kinda countered by the fact that I had to run them a bit tighter to make them feel more stable. I think I can see why some people say it helps with flatground, but personally the marginal benefit wasn't worth the reduction in stability and grinding space, which was very noticeable on chunkier ledges and round rails.

Maybe 8.25 trucks could be a good middle ground, but if its between 8 and 8.5 on an 8.25 deck, I'd much rather stick with 8.5 for now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on January 24, 2020, 02:40:24 AM
About to give Ace another chance, I must admit I'm terrified
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 24, 2020, 03:27:00 AM
for someone who has been ditching the deckside washer for a minute due to bones having one built in, i was a fool. i had my best session in recent memory today and i really am thanking that little piece of metal. never realized what it does for stability until i got it back.

me, tipping the scale at 200lbs and with a shitty center of gravity at 6'5", i would always be pissed off at how centered i had to be setting up for any trick. took a second to mess with my trucks and i finally solved it without killing my preferred turn.

thunder 151 hollow light
bones flat washer and thunder bushing 90a (roadside)
ace bushing 86a and ace stock washer (deckside)

once i broke in the ace bushing my mind was blown. the truck turns like a carvy thunder and the washer definitely limits the range of motion. my toes have to be on the ground to wheelbite my 52s yet i can get the thunder turn with the standard amount of lean. weaving thru nyc traffic and sidewalks was just as easy as before.

when setting up tricks, the barrel deckside bushing gives more of a deadzone to mess around with. the washer keeps the results consistent. if i lean too much while setting up on stock thunders, i lose control and cant focus on the trick as much. my flatground game is a work in progress and this helped me so much today. messing with the bushings to fine tune things was a great investment of 5 minutes and would highly suggest experimenting with yours if you have stability issues.

how is the QC on ace bushings? i can see signs of stress already and they only broke in today. who makes durable bushings? i dont want to jinx it but realistically will need to replace them soon
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on January 24, 2020, 04:52:49 AM
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I just tighten them a little and the fat chick with tight clothes syndrome happened
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 24, 2020, 05:48:12 AM
Quote from: moonordie on January 24, 2020, 04:52:49 AM
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I just tighten them a little and the fat chick with tight clothes syndrome happened

That can't be the stock bottom washer? I've never tightened them on my recent (current stage) 44s and never had that happen.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on January 24, 2020, 06:20:39 AM
Too much thread above the nut. Unsightly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on January 24, 2020, 06:23:05 AM
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I just tighten them a little and the fat chick with tight clothes syndrome happened
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That can't be the stock bottom washer? I've never tightened them on my recent (current stage) 44s and never had that happen.
Stock bottom washer, never happened with any other truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on January 24, 2020, 07:20:28 AM
Quote from: moonordie on January 24, 2020, 04:52:49 AM
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I just tighten them a little and the fat chick with tight clothes syndrome happened

Or fat dude.
That’s not ‘a little’ tight.
I’ve never had this, and I’ve had 3 sets of ace, but many people have claimed it (bushings hopping over the edge), supposedly without tightening.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on January 24, 2020, 07:46:59 AM
Quote from: moonordie on January 24, 2020, 04:52:49 AM
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I just tighten them a little and the fat chick with tight clothes syndrome happened
Boardside bushing happened to me at stock tightness with 66s. I am 180 lbs

Also happened with Krux 8.5

Every other truck I have had (a lot) has been fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cordyceps on January 24, 2020, 07:49:53 AM
Quote from: layzieyez on January 24, 2020, 06:20:39 AM
Too much thread above the nut. Unsightly.
This. Me thinks you need harder bushings. Both Mini Logo and Polster has the exact same size boardside (bottom) as Ace. Their top bushings are lower though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diamonds and Wood on January 24, 2020, 08:12:26 AM
It’s like a thread and a half, that’s nothing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cthulhu! on January 24, 2020, 08:38:09 AM
Flush or death
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diamonds and Wood on January 24, 2020, 09:05:30 AM
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 24, 2020, 09:17:10 AM
ACE bottoms are 86a hardness. That's soft compared to any other stock truck bottom bushing.

It's cranked down too much + your weight, which is why it's squashing out, filling up that washer and spilling over.

I'm 180lbs. Stock Ace bushings, flushish nut (I usually loosen ACE 1/2 a turn) no bushing issues ever.

Suggest:

Harder bottom bushing. Krux/ML/Indy after markets.

Indy bottom washer (they're a bit bigger; note the aftermarket and stock differ with the aftermarkets being nicer and shaped more like ACE stocks)

Flat bottom washer




Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 24, 2020, 10:30:57 AM
Take off the bushing and make sure the machined side (you’ll see a series of circles) is making contact with the hangar and not the washer
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 11112345 on January 24, 2020, 05:36:30 PM
Quote from: ShoeProblem on January 08, 2020, 07:01:07 AM
That is it. That's the post. Ventures are good trucks.

i just swapped out thunder hollow lights 151s for venture 6.1s and i'm loving the change.

i was worried they ~wouldn't turn~ based on some of the claims made in this thread but they turn like an absolute dream on the 8.38 antihero i'm riding ! pop feel has been massively improved despite the slight increase in heft, and the stock bushings have been suuuper plush and responsive straight out-da-box~

i'm also loving the solidness and additional vibrational data provided by the non-hollow setup...shit's been feeling pretty dead for a minute now and i'm glad i finally know why :0
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 24, 2020, 05:48:37 PM
They turn fine, just different.

Also, they don't get as loose as say, Thunder or Indy can. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MusclesMarinara on January 24, 2020, 05:52:01 PM
I always have to switch out the stock bushings in my trucks to the aftermarket bushings. The urethane they use for stock bushings is always crap lower quality. They say it's to keep costs down, but I'd rather pay an extra 6 bucks for trucks with high quality bushings already installed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on January 24, 2020, 05:58:12 PM
Honestly the opposite, never changed the bushing. Feel like it’s a slippery slope. Not sure I’m ready and I don’t ride that loose anyway, 200lbs and prefer some stability
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 24, 2020, 08:48:09 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 24, 2020, 05:48:12 AM
Quote from: moonordie on January 24, 2020, 04:52:49 AM
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I just tighten them a little and the fat chick with tight clothes syndrome happened
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That can't be the stock bottom washer? I've never tightened them on my recent (current stage) 44s and never had that happen.

way too tight. You need much harder replacement bushings. Trucks should never be hammered down like that these days.

Thats like some old double barrel bushing flat top washer indy 2 shit.

 I ride them with bones tops. No threads showing because i like squirrely trucks.

I ride most high trucks like that except Indy.

Stock bottom bones top. In the summer ill have a red top for my ventures highs tho.


Does anyone know where i can see the complete thunder and venture stages. I know there a forum with the indy stages but i want more because im a lifer truck nerd.

My friends letting me clean up his bearings and buff the rusted axles. I saw a made in the usa stamp ive not seen.

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wish i could keep them but he said no.

He has a slasher too.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 24, 2020, 09:04:02 PM
I thought that old school forum had thread about old Thunders and Ventures. Pretty sure I saw them talking about T4's?

I know there's an old TWS article about Venture that's still up on their site. If I can hunt it I'll put the link here.

https://skateboarding.transworld.net/news/venture-adventures-of-an-aluminum-upstart/


https://skateboarding.transworld.net/news/skateboarding-s-first-modern-truck/
Tracker. I thought there was a Thunder article too
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 50mm on January 26, 2020, 09:45:14 AM
Might just try conical softs because 2 times in a row from 2 different shops I've been sent conicals when I ordered cylinders.

I used to ride bones when I was a kid and those were conical so maybe it will work out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 26, 2020, 10:43:07 AM
Quote from: 50mm on January 26, 2020, 09:45:14 AM
Might just try conical softs because 2 times in a row from 2 different shops I've been sent conicals when I ordered cylinders.

I used to ride bones when I was a kid and those were conical so maybe it will work out.

Quote from: 50mm on January 26, 2020, 09:45:14 AM
Might just try conical softs because 2 times in a row from 2 different shops I've been sent conicals when I ordered cylinders.

I used to ride bones when I was a kid and those were conical so maybe it will work out.

i luv the indy conical.

I have no idea why they put that barrel back on. The conical girp are 100x better. I definitely get a better turn. And i can ride them looser with less wheel bite. I have no idea why.

If i was in California weather id never waste the money on bones bushings.

I never ride the bones bottoms at all anymore.

I wish i could send all these bottom bushings for tops.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 26, 2020, 10:46:17 AM
Quote from: Banned from the room on January 24, 2020, 08:48:09 PM

Does anyone know where i can see the complete thunder and venture stages. I know there a forum with the indy stages but i want more because im a lifer truck nerd.



16 pages of Thunder history.

https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=105448&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight= (https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=105448&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)

Notably Shrewgy destined Stage 3s, He is now one of the key players at Ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Heather Chandler on January 26, 2020, 03:46:55 PM
I bought a big bag of flat washers, use them for all trucks.  Allows for shaving down bushings and replacing with double washers, if you want. Can really open up plethora of options for setting up trucks for different types of turning/carve.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on January 26, 2020, 04:04:17 PM
How do Ventures grind compared to Indys?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 50mm on January 26, 2020, 09:54:02 PM
Quote from: 50mm on January 26, 2020, 09:45:14 AM
Might just try conical softs because 2 times in a row from 2 different shops I've been sent conicals when I ordered cylinders.

I used to ride bones when I was a kid and those were conical so maybe it will work out.
I skated for like half an hour on them and they actually felt really good. I feel like conicals are great for loose trucks because the turning feels so precise. When I was skating my hardest when I was younger my trucks were pretty tight, I feel like conicals made getting used to loose trucks so much easier as I have been trying to get used to a looser ride for a while now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 27, 2020, 12:39:42 AM
what bushings are a similar to the ace low roadside? could just get the aces, but rather not spend $8 for a bottom bushing i will never use if theres other options
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 50mm on January 27, 2020, 06:42:50 AM
Just a heads up. Probably not a good idea to order bushings from Amazon Prime retailers. I ordered from one and they sent indy conicals instead of cylinders like I ordered. I returned them, and picked a different Prime storefront, paid an extra 50 cents because they were an actual boardshop and figured they wouldn't fuck up, but the exact same thing happened, I received conicals instead of cylinders. I contacted Amazon and asked don't you guys store and ship the product in one of your warehouses since it's a Prime retailer? They said no it's coming straight from the shop. I contacted the shop and he said their stuff is absolutely stored and shipped by amazon in one of their warehouses. I let him know it had happened with a different shop as well. He told me to keep the conicals and he'll send me a refund. I'm taking the refund because I've only ridden them for half an hour and liked them, but I'm not sure. Cool of him to make things right. So Amazon employee's can't be counted on at the moment I guess to grab the right bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 27, 2020, 07:48:23 AM
Last day with the thunder teams. I have to give them back today. I was thinking of punking him off but im not that guy anymore.

I can go to a Granite curb that's kind of chunky or I could go to the Manny pad or I could go to the waterside cemetery and make a little video of the 10" wide crooked manny pad.

What would you do if you had like 5 or 6 hr left with the trucks you grew up with.

Also aftet like 15hrs of skating I recommend 8.38 deck with the venture 5.6 over the 8.25. I can elaborate after i sesh if anyone cares to know.

Though im skating like shit 14.5 of those hrs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stigmata on January 27, 2020, 08:48:40 AM
Quote from: 50mm on January 27, 2020, 06:42:50 AM
Just a heads up. Probably not a good idea to order bushings from Amazon Prime retailers. I ordered from one and they sent indy conicals instead of cylinders like I ordered. I returned them, and picked a different Prime storefront, paid an extra 50 cents because they were an actual boardshop and figured they wouldn't fuck up, but the exact same thing happened, I received conicals instead of cylinders. I contacted Amazon and asked don't you guys store and ship the product in one of your warehouses since it's a Prime retailer? They said no it's coming straight from the shop. I contacted the shop and he said their stuff is absolutely stored and shipped by amazon in one of their warehouses. I let him know it had happened with a different shop as well. He told me to keep the conicals and he'll send me a refund. I'm taking the refund because I've only ridden them for half an hour and liked them, but I'm not sure. Cool of him to make things right. So Amazon employee's can't be counted on at the moment I guess to grab the right bushings.

The same thing happened to me from Amazon, and whats funny i now only skate the conicals lol. They make my Indys have a more Thunder turning feel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 27, 2020, 09:16:08 AM
Quote from: Banned from the room on January 27, 2020, 07:48:23 AM
Last day with the thunder teams. I have to give them back today. I was thinking of punking him off but im not that guy anymore.

I can go to a Granite curb that's kind of chunky or I could go to the Manny pad or I could go to the waterside cemetery and make a little video of the 10" wide crooked manny pad.

What would you do if you had like 5 or 6 hr left with the trucks you grew up with.

Also aftet like 15hrs of skating I recommend 8.38 deck with the venture 5.6 over the 8.25. I can elaborate after i sesh if anyone cares to know.

Though im skating like shit 14.5 of those hrs.

8.3s with 8.25" trucks is a really sweet spot, if you can handle the 8.3.

Just go buy some thunders?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on January 27, 2020, 11:42:15 AM
Quote from: Banned from the room on January 27, 2020, 07:48:23 AM
Last day with the thunder teams. I have to give them back today. I was thinking of punking him off but im not that guy anymore.

I can go to a Granite curb that's kind of chunky or I could go to the Manny pad or I could go to the waterside cemetery and make a little video of the 10" wide crooked manny pad.

What would you do if you had like 5 or 6 hr left with the trucks you grew up with.

Also aftet like 15hrs of skating I recommend 8.38 deck with the venture 5.6 over the 8.25. I can elaborate after i sesh if anyone cares to know.

Though im skating like shit 14.5 of those hrs.

Elaborate away. I’m thinking about copping some regular venture  5.6 to run on 8.25 - 8.38. So I’m curious to others opinions about it before I try it out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sadnocomply on January 27, 2020, 11:58:16 AM
Quote from: Murge on January 27, 2020, 11:42:15 AM
Quote from: Banned from the room on January 27, 2020, 07:48:23 AM
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Last day with the thunder teams. I have to give them back today. I was thinking of punking him off but im not that guy anymore.

I can go to a Granite curb that's kind of chunky or I could go to the Manny pad or I could go to the waterside cemetery and make a little video of the 10" wide crooked manny pad.

What would you do if you had like 5 or 6 hr left with the trucks you grew up with.

Also aftet like 15hrs of skating I recommend 8.38 deck with the venture 5.6 over the 8.25. I can elaborate after i sesh if anyone cares to know.

Though im skating like shit 14.5 of those hrs.
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Elaborate away. I’m thinking about copping some regular venture  5.6 to run on 8.25 - 8.38. So I’m curious to others opinions about it before I try it out.
Do it, they are great I ride 8-8.3 with venture 5.6
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 27, 2020, 03:27:10 PM
Quote from: Murge on January 27, 2020, 11:42:15 AM
Quote from: Banned from the room on January 27, 2020, 07:48:23 AM
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Last day with the thunder teams. I have to give them back today. I was thinking of punking him off but im not that guy anymore.

I can go to a Granite curb that's kind of chunky or I could go to the Manny pad or I could go to the waterside cemetery and make a little video of the 10" wide crooked manny pad.

What would you do if you had like 5 or 6 hr left with the trucks you grew up with.

Also aftet like 15hrs of skating I recommend 8.38 deck with the venture 5.6 over the 8.25. I can elaborate after i sesh if anyone cares to know.

Though im skating like shit 14.5 of those hrs.
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Elaborate away. I’m thinking about copping some regular venture  5.6 to run on 8.25 - 8.38. So I’m curious to others opinions about it before I try it out.

I ride 8.3x or 8.25 pretty often, prior the 8.25" push from the big truck Cos. I rode 149s until Theeve pushed out the 8.18" - if I could find a TRUE 8.3 (Creature still makes one but it's longer than I'd like) I'd be on it with 8.25s".

Last 8.3 was from #numbers and rode it with Theeves, brilliant feel. It's closer in widths than 8" trucks on an 8.35" so it doesn't feel magic carpety and you still get grind room. I say go for it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 50mm on January 27, 2020, 03:40:35 PM
Quote from: Stigmata on January 27, 2020, 08:48:40 AM
Quote from: 50mm on January 27, 2020, 06:42:50 AM
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Just a heads up. Probably not a good idea to order bushings from Amazon Prime retailers. I ordered from one and they sent indy conicals instead of cylinders like I ordered. I returned them, and picked a different Prime storefront, paid an extra 50 cents because they were an actual boardshop and figured they wouldn't fuck up, but the exact same thing happened, I received conicals instead of cylinders. I contacted Amazon and asked don't you guys store and ship the product in one of your warehouses since it's a Prime retailer? They said no it's coming straight from the shop. I contacted the shop and he said their stuff is absolutely stored and shipped by amazon in one of their warehouses. I let him know it had happened with a different shop as well. He told me to keep the conicals and he'll send me a refund. I'm taking the refund because I've only ridden them for half an hour and liked them, but I'm not sure. Cool of him to make things right. So Amazon employee's can't be counted on at the moment I guess to grab the right bushings.
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The same thing happened to me from Amazon, and whats funny i now only skate the conicals lol. They make my Indys have a more Thunder turning feel.
I think that’s going to be the case here too. I’m hoping it will help me get some tricks back easier. Like a better pinch on crooks and feebles.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: iwishilivedinfinla on January 27, 2020, 04:27:08 PM
lol the rumors were true.
s/o grindking IG for heckling them to the point they actually did this

(https://i.postimg.cc/YqWGhXZG/Screenshot-20200127-192426.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on January 27, 2020, 05:03:36 PM
What trucks do you guys think are the best for weak / shitty ankles? I rotate between the big 3 because I like features of each. But my ankle is trash and I am over thinking about it. Currently got Indys but pondering the sweet delicate stability of ventures. Worried that the deep turning of Indy, thunder or ace may allow my weak ankle to roll on sight
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on January 27, 2020, 05:18:18 PM
Quote from: fang on January 27, 2020, 05:03:36 PM
What trucks do you guys think are the best for weak / shitty ankles? I rotate between the big 3 because I like features of each. But my ankle is trash and I am over thinking about it. Currently got Indys but pondering the sweet delicate stability of ventures. Worried that the deep turning of Indy, thunder or ace may allow my weak ankle to roll on sight

maybe some orthotics would be good. thunders are a good middle ground for ventures and indy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 27, 2020, 06:38:43 PM
Quote from: Murge on January 27, 2020, 11:42:15 AM
Quote from: Banned from the room on January 27, 2020, 07:48:23 AM
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Last day with the thunder teams. I have to give them back today. I was thinking of punking him off but im not that guy anymore.

I can go to a Granite curb that's kind of chunky or I could go to the Manny pad or I could go to the waterside cemetery and make a little video of the 10" wide crooked manny pad.

What would you do if you had like 5 or 6 hr left with the trucks you grew up with.

Also aftet like 15hrs of skating I recommend 8.38 deck with the venture 5.6 over the 8.25. I can elaborate after i sesh if anyone cares to know.

Though im skating like shit 14.5 of those hrs.
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Elaborate away. I’m thinking about copping some regular venture  5.6 to run on 8.25 - 8.38. So I’m curious to others opinions about it before I try it out.

first off my heel flips are exploding. I can barely keep them under me. Thats not my high popping trick at all.

Truck turns pretty good. Im not in danger of getting run over when im pushing switch down town in traffic.

Like Krux is a danger truck for me. I cannot get those to turn qt all while pushing switch. Ill get run the fuck over.

I had issues at the manny pad again though. My tre is flipping wicked frickin slow 90% of the time. That'd be really really nice if i was jumping down shit.

Impossible is happening again though im landing primo a ton.
Got v heel in all 4s

Im still whiffing fakie tricks.

I have to put like 20 more hrs on these to be back to normal. I did put a new wheel on thats pretty big. Added like 5 to 6 mm

I rode the thunders mostly today. No formula4. Was nice but i kept getting wheel bite. I got 52s?  Some random wheel looks like an alien knock.

Has cartoon water drops and reads "the wheel is waterproof" i think.

If i had the proper bushings id like them better. Kid has bones meds in them. He ruined the light blue stock ones in some indys hes riding.

Venture over thunder it looks like rn.
Unless you're on like a 8" down. Then id go with the thunder teams.

I still think ace is the best but i need more time out on the 5.6. And in the street not the park. Maybe after the dentist tomorrow ill be near the flat gap and the long buttery curbs. Maybe ill go see if wonderland is popping. Likely covered in sand.

Oh yeah i did some slappi on a yellow un waxed curb np at stop and shop before and after shopping. Ive het it on the aces. They are loud as fucking hell. Way louder than Indy. Must be the dope looking hangers.


Quote from: fang on January 27, 2020, 05:03:36 PM
What trucks do you guys think are the best for weak / shitty ankles? I rotate between the big 3 because I like features of each. But my ankle is trash and I am over thinking about it. Currently got Indys but pondering the sweet delicate stability of ventures. Worried that the deep turning of Indy, thunder or ace may allow my weak ankle to roll on sight

i have found looser trucks to be better on my ankles. Land a flip trick funny and it will be more forgiving. If you've found the opposite I would go with a venture low or a krux. Idk if those come low.
The lower you are the easier it is to push. Same with little wheels. Takes less effort to hit max pushing speed.

Ive pretty much always rode loose though my ankles are meh. My knees are cooked thats why i use fp insoles if i can afford them especially in dunks. Every Xmas someone asks me what i want. Insoles  guitar strings and hash plz and thanks.

I thought i might be done before i found those during my acl issue.

If getting wheel bite and having to run out is an issue id go ventures hi or why not try grind kings.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 27, 2020, 07:33:32 PM
Quote from: fang on January 27, 2020, 05:03:36 PM
What trucks do you guys think are the best for weak / shitty ankles? I rotate between the big 3 because I like features of each. But my ankle is trash and I am over thinking about it. Currently got Indys but pondering the sweet delicate stability of ventures. Worried that the deep turning of Indy, thunder or ace may allow my weak ankle to roll on sight
I'm just trying to understand your options..
Are you gonna have very limited mobility in your ankle? So your afraid carvier will be more strain on your ankle?
Can you take all your weight on your bad ankle? I'd think about that, tic-tacs, and tight trucks. For me kickturns put a peaky, short amount of stress on my ankle.
I'd ride the trucks I was used to or liked, Indy for me, but maybe not surfy loose. Medium loose, no wobbles but don't have to push hard with my ankles to get them to carve.
I'm also thinking orange aftermarket Indy bushings when I'm imagining this setup.
Ya. I agree that looser trucks will be more forgiving. Might even try a shock/riser pad or those foam Shorty's thingies.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on January 27, 2020, 09:30:16 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 27, 2020, 03:27:10 PM
Quote from: Murge on January 27, 2020, 11:42:15 AM
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Quote from: Banned from the room on January 27, 2020, 07:48:23 AM
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Last day with the thunder teams. I have to give them back today. I was thinking of punking him off but im not that guy anymore.

I can go to a Granite curb that's kind of chunky or I could go to the Manny pad or I could go to the waterside cemetery and make a little video of the 10" wide crooked manny pad.

What would you do if you had like 5 or 6 hr left with the trucks you grew up with.

Also aftet like 15hrs of skating I recommend 8.38 deck with the venture 5.6 over the 8.25. I can elaborate after i sesh if anyone cares to know.

Though im skating like shit 14.5 of those hrs.
[close]

Elaborate away. I’m thinking about copping some regular venture  5.6 to run on 8.25 - 8.38. So I’m curious to others opinions about it before I try it out.
[close]

I ride 8.3x or 8.25 pretty often, prior the 8.25" push from the big truck Cos. I rode 149s until Theeve pushed out the 8.18" - if I could find a TRUE 8.3 (Creature still makes one but it's longer than I'd like) I'd be on it with 8.25s".

Last 8.3 was from #numbers and rode it with Theeves, brilliant feel. It's closer in widths than 8" trucks on an 8.35" so it doesn't feel magic carpety and you still get grind room. I say go for it.

What size Theeve trucks did you ride on the 8.3? I got a pair of 5.25s, thinking of trying them with an 8.38 board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 27, 2020, 11:30:39 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on January 27, 2020, 09:30:16 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 27, 2020, 03:27:10 PM
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Quote from: Murge on January 27, 2020, 11:42:15 AM
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Quote from: Banned from the room on January 27, 2020, 07:48:23 AM
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Last day with the thunder teams. I have to give them back today. I was thinking of punking him off but im not that guy anymore.

I can go to a Granite curb that's kind of chunky or I could go to the Manny pad or I could go to the waterside cemetery and make a little video of the 10" wide crooked manny pad.

What would you do if you had like 5 or 6 hr left with the trucks you grew up with.

Also aftet like 15hrs of skating I recommend 8.38 deck with the venture 5.6 over the 8.25. I can elaborate after i sesh if anyone cares to know.

Though im skating like shit 14.5 of those hrs.
[close]

Elaborate away. I’m thinking about copping some regular venture  5.6 to run on 8.25 - 8.38. So I’m curious to others opinions about it before I try it out.
[close]

I ride 8.3x or 8.25 pretty often, prior the 8.25" push from the big truck Cos. I rode 149s until Theeve pushed out the 8.18" - if I could find a TRUE 8.3 (Creature still makes one but it's longer than I'd like) I'd be on it with 8.25s".

Last 8.3 was from #numbers and rode it with Theeves, brilliant feel. It's closer in widths than 8" trucks on an 8.35" so it doesn't feel magic carpety and you still get grind room. I say go for it.
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What size Theeve trucks did you ride on the 8.3? I got a pair of 5.25s, thinking of trying them with an 8.38 board.

5.5s/8.18" tikings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on January 28, 2020, 04:43:50 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on January 27, 2020, 09:30:16 PM

What size Theeve trucks did you ride on the 8.3? I got a pair of 5.25s, thinking of trying them with an 8.38 board.
5.25 theeve's are below 8.0, something like 7.92, so it'd be a bit magic carpety for sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on January 28, 2020, 06:22:11 AM
Anybody knows if Thunder 95 aftermarket bushings, the blue ones, fit into Aces?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 28, 2020, 07:34:04 AM
Quote from: moonordie on January 28, 2020, 06:22:11 AM
Anybody knows if Thunder 95 aftermarket bushings, the blue ones, fit into Aces?

the thunder bottom fits ace. Its like the only one that does. I have no idea how it will feel but a assume the short top will give you the option of lots of hanger play with out popping your pivot out. I would like to know if you try this combination
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on January 28, 2020, 08:59:05 AM
Quote from: Banned from the room on January 28, 2020, 07:34:04 AM
Quote from: moonordie on January 28, 2020, 06:22:11 AM
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Anybody knows if Thunder 95 aftermarket bushings, the blue ones, fit into Aces?
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the thunder bottom fits ace. Its like the only one that does. I have no idea how it will feel but a assume the short top will give you the option of lots of hanger play with out popping your pivot out. I would like to know if you try this combination
I'll give a try asap ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on January 28, 2020, 02:50:00 PM
random truck Q's if anyone from DLX still posts here - are the baseplates from Venture 5.0 to 6.1 (hi) width still all the same? what hardness are the yellow bushings in the 6.1's?

eyeing another stupid quiver setup I don't really need and considering options....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 28, 2020, 03:29:15 PM
Quote from: drinny on January 28, 2020, 02:50:00 PM
random truck Q's if anyone from DLX still posts here - are the baseplates from Venture 5.0 to 6.1 (hi) width still all the same? what hardness are the yellow bushings in the 6.1's?

eyeing another stupid quiver setup I don't really need and considering options....
Cast and forged should all be the same. But lows will have shorter kingpins (and bushings).
Bushings are supposed to all be the same durometer regardless of color. Technically a lil different chemically so could feel different..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 28, 2020, 03:31:07 PM
I love the venture truck. Im not gonna lie though this axle shrinky dink bullshit sucks.

Tap tap tap

I get home to demonstrate issue for dlx to improve and they warmed up and dont slip.

This happens with other trucks especially indy pre stage 11.
I had one ace slip no one hit me back was likely the same cold weather at first.
It fixed itself doing fast crooks back 180.
I put a lot of pressure on that trick.

Put my old broke bones black top i found one fine day near eggs on my front truck. Boom i found nose manny again.

 It was the move.
I got it almost turning like an ace but the board always wants to help you land clean because of the stability in the back.

Its like a swiss army knife.

No surfy wiggle if you're off bolts is what im saying

Im really happy about the truck but i ride spacers and well maintained ceramics but im skating a flat street gap in traffic and im feeling resistance with 101a wheel on salt pitted ground going switch.

Not fucjing cool. I dont want to get run over oit here. I wanna get run over out there when im 80 or 90 going 30 35mph.

Boom and thats it. Lovely Rita San Francisco meter maid takes out oldest long-term couch surfing skater yesterday. His last words were i had a job in the warehouse at deluxe when i was 64 it was my only job i ever had. Thank you skating i luv you

I also dont wanna get shot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on January 28, 2020, 03:44:28 PM
Quote from: satan on January 28, 2020, 03:29:15 PM
Quote from: drinny on January 28, 2020, 02:50:00 PM
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random truck Q's if anyone from DLX still posts here - are the baseplates from Venture 5.0 to 6.1 (hi) width still all the same? what hardness are the yellow bushings in the 6.1's?

eyeing another stupid quiver setup I don't really need and considering options....
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Cast and forged should all be the same. But lows will have shorter kingpins (and bushings).
Bushings are supposed to all be the same durometer regardless of color. Technically a lil different chemically so could feel different..

Hi, thanks. I'm not sure about bushing duro though... the deluxe site def has replacement bushings listed - purple at 98a, red 94a so I wondered if the green and yellow got progressively harder to compensate for the increased lean potential on the wider variants?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on January 28, 2020, 03:57:22 PM
To compare the original Ace bushings vs Thunder 95 aftermarket.
Top:
(https://i.imgur.com/fJ8mLMrl.jpg)
Bottom:
(https://i.imgur.com/2P5BlFRl.jpg)
With the Ace washers the bushings look small
(https://i.imgur.com/b40W8rel.jpg)
With everything Thunder the look is much more nicer
(https://i.imgur.com/KP7y7mal.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diamonds and Wood on January 28, 2020, 04:01:39 PM
Quote from: moonordie on January 28, 2020, 03:57:22 PM
To compare the original Ace bushings vs Thunder 95 aftermarket.
Top:
(https://i.imgur.com/fJ8mLMrl.jpg)
Bottom:
(https://i.imgur.com/2P5BlFRl.jpg)
With the Ace washers the bushings look small
(https://i.imgur.com/b40W8rel.jpg)
With everything Thunder the look is much more nicer
(https://i.imgur.com/KP7y7mal.jpg)
Bruh, your bottom bushing is upside down.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 28, 2020, 04:13:09 PM
Quote from: Diamonds and Wood on January 28, 2020, 04:01:39 PM
Quote from: moonordie on January 28, 2020, 03:57:22 PM
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To compare the original Ace bushings vs Thunder 95 aftermarket.
Top:
(https://i.imgur.com/fJ8mLMrl.jpg)
Bottom:
(https://i.imgur.com/2P5BlFRl.jpg)
With the Ace washers the bushings look small
(https://i.imgur.com/b40W8rel.jpg)
With everything Thunder the look is much more nicer
(https://i.imgur.com/KP7y7mal.jpg)
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Bruh, your bottom bushing is upside down.

bushings? blue
installation? wrong
credibility? sinking
hotel? trivago
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on January 28, 2020, 04:25:16 PM
Quote from: Diamonds and Wood on January 28, 2020, 04:01:39 PM
Quote from: moonordie on January 28, 2020, 03:57:22 PM
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To compare the original Ace bushings vs Thunder 95 aftermarket.
Top:
(https://i.imgur.com/fJ8mLMrl.jpg)
Bottom:
(https://i.imgur.com/2P5BlFRl.jpg)
With the Ace washers the bushings look small
(https://i.imgur.com/b40W8rel.jpg)
With everything Thunder the look is much more nicer
(https://i.imgur.com/KP7y7mal.jpg)
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Bruh, your bottom bushing is upside down.
Feels better that way for me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 28, 2020, 04:41:09 PM
Quote from: Diamonds and Wood on January 28, 2020, 04:01:39 PM
Quote from: moonordie on January 28, 2020, 03:57:22 PM
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To compare the original Ace bushings vs Thunder 95 aftermarket.
Top:
(https://i.imgur.com/fJ8mLMrl.jpg)
Bottom:
(https://i.imgur.com/2P5BlFRl.jpg)
With the Ace washers the bushings look small
(https://i.imgur.com/b40W8rel.jpg)
With everything Thunder the look is much more nicer
(https://i.imgur.com/KP7y7mal.jpg)
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Bruh, your bottom bushing is upside down.

yeah id flip that. Might be better that way tho who knows. Id think broken yoke or pivot area
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 28, 2020, 04:49:21 PM
People are gonna start trying their trucks with upside down bushings to add another factor into their truck madness :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 28, 2020, 04:54:19 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 28, 2020, 04:49:21 PM
People are gonna start trying their trucks with upside down bushings to add another factor into their truck madness :D
Lol. This is like putting your truck on backwards. I've done that.. the worst is when you don't notice until you're rolling.
Idk. I'd probably check it out it for shits and giggles if I did that by accident.
Seems like they'd be super carvy but might wheelbite?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on January 28, 2020, 05:00:54 PM
I'll try tomorrow, I'll keep you informed
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diamonds and Wood on January 28, 2020, 06:44:02 PM
Quote from: moonordie on January 28, 2020, 04:25:16 PM
Quote from: Diamonds and Wood on January 28, 2020, 04:01:39 PM
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Quote from: moonordie on January 28, 2020, 03:57:22 PM
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To compare the original Ace bushings vs Thunder 95 aftermarket.
Top:
(https://i.imgur.com/fJ8mLMrl.jpg)
Bottom:
(https://i.imgur.com/2P5BlFRl.jpg)
With the Ace washers the bushings look small
(https://i.imgur.com/b40W8rel.jpg)
With everything Thunder the look is much more nicer
(https://i.imgur.com/KP7y7mal.jpg)
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Bruh, your bottom bushing is upside down.
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Feels better that way for me
Sure 😂... that’s why you changed your response from “oops.” It’s ok, I remember when I was like 11, took my first trucks apart the first time, I forgot how to put them together. This was pre internet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 50mm on January 28, 2020, 06:57:10 PM
Quote from: Diamonds and Wood on January 28, 2020, 04:01:39 PM
Quote from: moonordie on January 28, 2020, 03:57:22 PM
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To compare the original Ace bushings vs Thunder 95 aftermarket.
Top:
(https://i.imgur.com/fJ8mLMrl.jpg)
Bottom:
(https://i.imgur.com/2P5BlFRl.jpg)
With the Ace washers the bushings look small
(https://i.imgur.com/b40W8rel.jpg)
With everything Thunder the look is much more nicer
(https://i.imgur.com/KP7y7mal.jpg)
[close]
Bruh, your bottom bushing is upside down.
Gnar'd
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on January 28, 2020, 08:08:12 PM
Quote from: fang on January 27, 2020, 05:03:36 PM
What trucks do you guys think are the best for weak / shitty ankles? I rotate between the big 3 because I like features of each. But my ankle is trash and I am over thinking about it. Currently got Indys but pondering the sweet delicate stability of ventures. Worried that the deep turning of Indy, thunder or ace may allow my weak ankle to roll on sight

Trust me an ankle sprained roller extraordinaire even from a crappy Ollie

Mini logo, they have a really nice low center of gravity stability and it helps those weak ankles we suffer from have help on popping

Cause they’re low
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on January 28, 2020, 08:20:56 PM
Quote from: rob on January 28, 2020, 08:08:12 PM
Quote from: fang on January 27, 2020, 05:03:36 PM
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What trucks do you guys think are the best for weak / shitty ankles? I rotate between the big 3 because I like features of each. But my ankle is trash and I am over thinking about it. Currently got Indys but pondering the sweet delicate stability of ventures. Worried that the deep turning of Indy, thunder or ace may allow my weak ankle to roll on sight
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Trust me an ankle sprained roller extraordinaire even from a crappy Ollie

Mini logo, they have a really nice low center of gravity stability and it helps those weak ankles we suffer from have help on popping

Cause they’re low

Start following Kyle Brown in IG, work on strengthening those ankle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 28, 2020, 10:54:03 PM
shaved down my thunder stock bushings halfway. tried to take a hot knife to it at first and it was a butcher job. had to fix it up against my cruisers griptape. knowing i wouldnt be able to sleep without trying it out, i threw them back in my thunders went to the local ball courts in 30 degree weather.

with the nut flush they were at rattling looseness. within the first push i realized that i am not good enough to handle this twitch. pushing at full speed was a safety hazard and i dont have the balance to set up a trick when any sudden lean throws me. if you ride your thunders loose, mad respect to you. i tightened them to what would be a bit looser than flush with a regular bushing and it easily felt better than my reg tightness. my nollie back shoves were really on for the 45 min i stayed out.

not sure if ill stay on these bushings or go to a proper low bushing, but im sticking with a low top bushing from now on. i do want to get good enough eventually to ride almost rattly and i think the trick is to just let them get loose and never tighten them. with a couple threads peeking out, ill treat them like training wheels
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diamonds and Wood on January 29, 2020, 01:11:16 AM
Quote from: off on January 28, 2020, 10:54:03 PM
shaved down my thunder stock bushings halfway. tried to take a hot knife to it at first and it was a butcher job. had to fix it up against my cruisers griptape. knowing i wouldnt be able to sleep without trying it out, i threw them back in my thunders went to the local ball courts in 30 degree weather.

with the nut flush they were at rattling looseness. within the first push i realized that i am not good enough to handle this twitch. pushing at full speed was a safety hazard and i dont have the balance to set up a trick when any sudden lean throws me. if you ride your thunders loose, mad respect to you. i tightened them to what would be a bit looser than flush with a regular bushing and it easily felt better than my reg tightness. my nollie back shoves were really on for the 45 min i stayed out.

not sure if ill stay on these bushings or go to a proper low bushing, but im sticking with a low top bushing from now on. i do want to get good enough eventually to ride almost rattly and i think the trick is to just let them get loose and never tighten them. with a couple threads peeking out, ill treat them like training wheels
Why though? Some weird pride thing? The only person that can ride thunders like that is Frank, and he's a 45 year old grown man with the body weight of a 12 year old boy. Just ride your shit stock and tight. Embrace the stability.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 29, 2020, 01:55:09 AM
Quote from: Diamonds and Wood on January 29, 2020, 01:11:16 AM
Quote from: off on January 28, 2020, 10:54:03 PM
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shaved down my thunder stock bushings halfway. tried to take a hot knife to it at first and it was a butcher job. had to fix it up against my cruisers griptape. knowing i wouldnt be able to sleep without trying it out, i threw them back in my thunders went to the local ball courts in 30 degree weather.

with the nut flush they were at rattling looseness. within the first push i realized that i am not good enough to handle this twitch. pushing at full speed was a safety hazard and i dont have the balance to set up a trick when any sudden lean throws me. if you ride your thunders loose, mad respect to you. i tightened them to what would be a bit looser than flush with a regular bushing and it easily felt better than my reg tightness. my nollie back shoves were really on for the 45 min i stayed out.

not sure if ill stay on these bushings or go to a proper low bushing, but im sticking with a low top bushing from now on. i do want to get good enough eventually to ride almost rattly and i think the trick is to just let them get loose and never tighten them. with a couple threads peeking out, ill treat them like training wheels
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Why though? Some weird pride thing? The only person that can ride thunders like that is Frank, and he's a 45 year old grown man with the body weight of a 12 year old boy. Just ride your shit stock and tight. Embrace the stability.

Bobby De Keyzer rides his Thunders as loose or looser. He goes the full Matt Rod method of cutting each bushing in half, and then proceeds to do his insane tech things. It's mind blowing to see. Just throwing that out there. But those are the only two I know of doing that on Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diamonds and Wood on January 29, 2020, 02:06:16 AM
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/116/378/f88.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 29, 2020, 02:34:21 AM
You could have just called me a boomer and saved the bandwidth bud.

Also, it's the truck thread, if you think what I said was condescending, strap the fuck in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 29, 2020, 03:37:05 AM
Quote from: Diamonds and Wood on January 29, 2020, 01:11:16 AM
Quote from: off on January 28, 2020, 10:54:03 PM
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shaved down my thunder stock bushings halfway. tried to take a hot knife to it at first and it was a butcher job. had to fix it up against my cruisers griptape. knowing i wouldnt be able to sleep without trying it out, i threw them back in my thunders went to the local ball courts in 30 degree weather.

with the nut flush they were at rattling looseness. within the first push i realized that i am not good enough to handle this twitch. pushing at full speed was a safety hazard and i dont have the balance to set up a trick when any sudden lean throws me. if you ride your thunders loose, mad respect to you. i tightened them to what would be a bit looser than flush with a regular bushing and it easily felt better than my reg tightness. my nollie back shoves were really on for the 45 min i stayed out.

not sure if ill stay on these bushings or go to a proper low bushing, but im sticking with a low top bushing from now on. i do want to get good enough eventually to ride almost rattly and i think the trick is to just let them get loose and never tighten them. with a couple threads peeking out, ill treat them like training wheels
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Why though? Some weird pride thing? The only person that can ride thunders like that is Frank, and he's a 45 year old grown man with the body weight of a 12 year old boy. Just ride your shit stock and tight. Embrace the stability.

it looks fun and didnt cost me anything, why not? i know people who ride them with just washers, no top bushing at all.

why you ride your deck width assuming you skate? its freedom of choice dont be a kook
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diamonds and Wood on January 29, 2020, 03:49:30 AM
idk man, do you. I don’t care enough, you and the dude that put his bushings in wrong, twice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 29, 2020, 04:43:07 AM
Quote from: Diamonds and Wood on January 29, 2020, 03:49:30 AM
idk man, do you. I don’t care enough, you and the dude that put his bushings in wrong, twice.
But you do or you'd have skipped this comment.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diamonds and Wood on January 29, 2020, 05:24:38 AM
Quote from: satan on January 29, 2020, 04:43:07 AM
Quote from: Diamonds and Wood on January 29, 2020, 03:49:30 AM
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idk man, do you. I don’t care enough, you and the dude that put his bushings in wrong, twice.
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But you do or you'd have skipped this comment.
"But you dooooo cuz you said somethiiing..." fuck you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on January 29, 2020, 07:17:05 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/oKPPd7MeXTOPC/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 29, 2020, 07:18:11 AM
Quote from: jtrpma on January 29, 2020, 07:17:05 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/oKPPd7MeXTOPC/giphy.gif)

Nooooooo shit. Sending you a psychic gnar.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on January 29, 2020, 07:31:41 AM
Quote from: palelight on January 29, 2020, 07:18:11 AM
Quote from: jtrpma on January 29, 2020, 07:17:05 AM
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(https://media.giphy.com/media/oKPPd7MeXTOPC/giphy.gif)
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Nooooooo shit. Sending you a psychic gnar.
I'm the lil guy in blue, right?
That back kick! Stylish. Good mechanics.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on January 29, 2020, 07:43:12 AM
Quote from: palelight on January 29, 2020, 07:18:11 AM
Quote from: jtrpma on January 29, 2020, 07:17:05 AM
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(https://media.giphy.com/media/oKPPd7MeXTOPC/giphy.gif)
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Nooooooo shit. Sending you a psychic gnar.
I got you on it, that shit made me laugh
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on January 29, 2020, 08:00:17 AM
If you like your trucks loose af using the bottom bushing upside down is the way to go.
I can't handle that looseness, put it on normal position  and Ace's with thunder 95 feel much nicer to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on January 29, 2020, 08:17:22 AM
Haha, I thought you "liked it" the wrong way, what gives?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diamonds and Wood on January 29, 2020, 08:26:44 AM
Quote from: moonordie on January 29, 2020, 08:00:17 AM
If you like your trucks loose af using the bottom bushing upside down is the way to go.
I can't handle that looseness, put it on normal position  and Ace's with thunder 95 feel much nicer to me.
😂 fucking kook.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diamonds and Wood on January 29, 2020, 08:31:28 AM
Quote from: palelight on January 29, 2020, 07:18:11 AM
Quote from: jtrpma on January 29, 2020, 07:17:05 AM
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Nooooooo shit. Sending you a psychic gnar.
Well actually you should send another PM whining about being a know it all neckbeard?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 29, 2020, 08:39:24 AM
Quote from: Diamonds and Wood on January 29, 2020, 08:31:28 AM
Quote from: palelight on January 29, 2020, 07:18:11 AM
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Quote from: jtrpma on January 29, 2020, 07:17:05 AM
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Nooooooo shit. Sending you a psychic gnar.
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Well actually you should send another PM whining about being a know it all neckbeard?

Or maybe one day I can be a 38 year old who uses 6+ year old 4chan memes in place of human interaction? Project and deflect, hallmark of the fucking spineless.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on January 29, 2020, 08:40:05 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/pUeXcg80cO8I8/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 29, 2020, 08:43:14 AM
Fuck it, not worth it.

Time for the monthly "truck thread went to shit" reset?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on January 29, 2020, 09:13:59 AM
I’d expect this kind of ridiculous overly aggressive shit in the useless wooden toy section but not in the gear section.  It’s the section for nerdery and discussion. Not arguments.  I appreciate Palelights contribution,opinions, and gear experiments  in these threads.

Some of you dudes getting to serious over an upside down bushing. It ain’t that serious. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on January 29, 2020, 09:18:30 AM
Quote from: Murge on January 29, 2020, 09:13:59 AM
I’d expect this kind of ridiculous overly aggressive shit in the useless wooden toy section but not in the gear section.  It’s the section for nerdery and discussion. Not arguments.  I appreciate Palelights contribution,opinions, and gear experiments  in these threads.

Some of you dudes getting to serious over an upside down bushing. It ain’t that serious.

Apologies for getting too hot. I tried to take care of it privately but things happen, it's unfortunate. I'll take a breather and get back to what this place is for, you're right. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diamonds and Wood on January 29, 2020, 09:19:10 AM
Nah, Palelight's a cock who wants to interject at any possible moment with some shit he considers himself a SME on... Trucks. I didn't do shit.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diamonds and Wood on January 29, 2020, 09:21:56 AM
Quote from: palelight on January 29, 2020, 09:18:30 AM
Quote from: Murge on January 29, 2020, 09:13:59 AM
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I’d expect this kind of ridiculous overly aggressive shit in the useless wooden toy section but not in the gear section.  It’s the section for nerdery and discussion. Not arguments.  I appreciate Palelights contribution,opinions, and gear experiments  in these threads.

Some of you dudes getting to serious over an upside down bushing. It ain’t that serious.
[close]

Apologies for getting too hot. I tried to take care of it privately but things happen, it's unfortunate. I'll take a breather and get back to what this place is for, you're right.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Z9OGuQyrfHAE8/source.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on January 29, 2020, 10:19:44 AM
Quote from: Diamonds and Wood on January 29, 2020, 09:19:10 AM
Nah, Palelight's a cock who wants to interject at any possible moment with some shit he considers himself a SME on... Trucks. I didn't do shit.

Who hurt you?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on January 29, 2020, 10:38:24 AM
Quote from: palelight on January 29, 2020, 09:18:30 AM
Quote from: Murge on January 29, 2020, 09:13:59 AM
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I’d expect this kind of ridiculous overly aggressive shit in the useless wooden toy section but not in the gear section.  It’s the section for nerdery and discussion. Not arguments.  I appreciate Palelights contribution,opinions, and gear experiments  in these threads.

Some of you dudes getting to serious over an upside down bushing. It ain’t that serious.
[close]

Apologies for getting too hot. I tried to take care of it privately but things happen, it's unfortunate. I'll take a breather and get back to what this place is for, you're right.

Oh I wasn’t directing that comment to you by any means. Ha that was directed towards diamonds and wood.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lord Quas on January 29, 2020, 10:43:18 AM
Quote from: Lt. Frank Drebin on January 29, 2020, 10:19:44 AM
Quote from: Diamonds and Wood on January 29, 2020, 09:19:10 AM
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Nah, Palelight's a cock who wants to interject at any possible moment with some shit he considers himself a SME on... Trucks. I didn't do shit.
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Who hurt you?

hurt people hurt people, bro
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cricketclub on January 29, 2020, 11:12:36 AM
Since this isn't a thread about trucks at the moment, here you go LQ.

(https://i.imgur.com/1AeE7j1.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 29, 2020, 02:34:37 PM
This OG truck thread has its moments but it remains strong and always cleanses itself of those who don’t truly live the life of being an OCD truck madness/recovering truck madness kook.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cthulhu! on January 29, 2020, 03:22:12 PM
So anyway, I just set up some Ventures and my god the pop is just so fucking good. I haven't used them in quite some time and it feels good to be back home. AWAKE 2020.

I figure I'll skate Aces on my wider transition board and Ventures for my regular board for forever. Truck madness cured.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on January 29, 2020, 03:30:52 PM
Quote from: Cthulhu! on January 29, 2020, 03:22:12 PM
So anyway, I just set up some Ventures and my god the pop is just so fucking good. I haven't used them in quite some time and it feels good to be back home. AWAKE 2020.

I figure I'll skate Aces on my wider transition board and Ventures for my regular board for forever. Truck madness cured.

Bout to order some (local doesn’t have any)and this got me stoked.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on January 29, 2020, 04:13:28 PM
Quote from: Cthulhu! on January 29, 2020, 03:22:12 PM
So anyway, I just set up some Ventures and my god the pop is just so fucking good. I haven't used them in quite some time and it feels good to be back home. AWAKE 2020.

I figure I'll skate Aces on my wider transition board and Ventures for my regular board for forever. Truck madness cured.

What size board and WB are you rocking them on? I got a pair that I'm itching to try but the thought of them extending the WB by 3.5" makes it hard for me to find a board to match. DLX boards would be a hard sell given most of them already have WB starting from 14.38 and up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on January 29, 2020, 04:19:04 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on January 29, 2020, 04:13:28 PM
Quote from: Cthulhu! on January 29, 2020, 03:22:12 PM
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So anyway, I just set up some Ventures and my god the pop is just so fucking good. I haven't used them in quite some time and it feels good to be back home. AWAKE 2020.

I figure I'll skate Aces on my wider transition board and Ventures for my regular board for forever. Truck madness cured.
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What size board and WB are you rocking them on? I got a pair that I'm itching to try but the thought of them extending the WB by 3.5" makes it hard for me to find a board to match. DLX boards would be a hard sell given most of them already have WB starting from 14.38 and up.

What are you on right now? I'd just set them up and give them a go if I were you, and if its too long just save them for a shorter board later on. I switched from Indys to Ventures going while skating a 14.5 and it was a pretty big difference but got used to it after a while. Then downsized my wb to 14.25 after that and its been a pretty ideal pairing. In a way, it kind of allows you to get an idea of exactly how they are different from your other trucks while holding everything else constant.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on January 29, 2020, 05:02:46 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on January 29, 2020, 04:19:04 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on January 29, 2020, 04:13:28 PM
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Quote from: Cthulhu! on January 29, 2020, 03:22:12 PM
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So anyway, I just set up some Ventures and my god the pop is just so fucking good. I haven't used them in quite some time and it feels good to be back home. AWAKE 2020.

I figure I'll skate Aces on my wider transition board and Ventures for my regular board for forever. Truck madness cured.
[close]

What size board and WB are you rocking them on? I got a pair that I'm itching to try but the thought of them extending the WB by 3.5" makes it hard for me to find a board to match. DLX boards would be a hard sell given most of them already have WB starting from 14.38 and up.
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What are you on right now? I'd just set them up and give them a go if I were you, and if its too long just save them for a shorter board later on. I switched from Indys to Ventures going while skating a 14.5 and it was a pretty big difference but got used to it after a while. Then downsized my wb to 14.25 after that and its been a pretty ideal pairing. In a way, it kind of allows you to get an idea of exactly how they are different from your other trucks while holding everything else constant.

I'm riding a 8.3 x 31.9 x 14.4 paired with Thunder Titanium, axle to axle WB is around 17.6. Thinking of trying a pair of Indy 144 Standard to shorten up the WB. My ideal WB seems to be in the 14 - 14.25 range and most DLX boards (less the SE ones) don't come in that range. I got a pair of Venture V-Lights in 5.2 Hi and Lo, thinking of trying them on an smaller, shorter setup (8 x 31.8 x 14) in the future.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on January 29, 2020, 05:11:15 PM
I see, yeah Ventures on shorter ish boards seem to be ideal for most people. But if you're itching to try them out it can't hurt on your current one!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 29, 2020, 05:36:52 PM
Quote from: Diamonds and Wood on January 29, 2020, 01:11:16 AM
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shaved down my thunder stock bushings halfway. tried to take a hot knife to it at first and it was a butcher job. had to fix it up against my cruisers griptape. knowing i wouldnt be able to sleep without trying it out, i threw them back in my thunders went to the local ball courts in 30 degree weather.

with the nut flush they were at rattling looseness. within the first push i realized that i am not good enough to handle this twitch. pushing at full speed was a safety hazard and i dont have the balance to set up a trick when any sudden lean throws me. if you ride your thunders loose, mad respect to you. i tightened them to what would be a bit looser than flush with a regular bushing and it easily felt better than my reg tightness. my nollie back shoves were really on for the 45 min i stayed out.

not sure if ill stay on these bushings or go to a proper low bushing, but im sticking with a low top bushing from now on. i do want to get good enough eventually to ride almost rattly and i think the trick is to just let them get loose and never tighten them. with a couple threads peeking out, ill treat them like training wheels
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Why though? Some weird pride thing? The only person that can ride thunders like that is Frank, and he's a 45 year old grown man with the body weight of a 12 year old boy. Just ride your shit stock and tight. Embrace the stability.

I love the sound of jinglingy washers in the morning. It sounds like victory.

It also feels good when someone who is really good trys to ride your set up and cant. I love that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cthulhu! on January 29, 2020, 06:18:49 PM
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So anyway, I just set up some Ventures and my god the pop is just so fucking good. I haven't used them in quite some time and it feels good to be back home. AWAKE 2020.

I figure I'll skate Aces on my wider transition board and Ventures for my regular board for forever. Truck madness cured.
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What size board and WB are you rocking them on? I got a pair that I'm itching to try but the thought of them extending the WB by 3.5" makes it hard for me to find a board to match. DLX boards would be a hard sell given most of them already have WB starting from 14.38 and up.

It's a Theories 7.75 x 31.375 with a 14" wheelbase. This is also the year of going back to under 8s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on January 29, 2020, 06:39:51 PM
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So anyway, I just set up some Ventures and my god the pop is just so fucking good. I haven't used them in quite some time and it feels good to be back home. AWAKE 2020.

I figure I'll skate Aces on my wider transition board and Ventures for my regular board for forever. Truck madness cured.
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What size board and WB are you rocking them on? I got a pair that I'm itching to try but the thought of them extending the WB by 3.5" makes it hard for me to find a board to match. DLX boards would be a hard sell given most of them already have WB starting from 14.38 and up.
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It's a Theories 7.75 x 31.375 with a 14" wheelbase. This is also the year of going back to under 8s.
Had a similar sized set (Traffic) and pair those with Thunder 147 Hollow Lights but the length wasn't working for me. I like having a slightly bigger nose and tail, may revisit that setup again with Ventures just give that board another go. Hate to see it go to storage after just a few sessions.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on January 30, 2020, 07:34:24 AM
Quote from: Cthulhu! on January 29, 2020, 06:18:49 PM
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So anyway, I just set up some Ventures and my god the pop is just so fucking good. I haven't used them in quite some time and it feels good to be back home. AWAKE 2020.

I figure I'll skate Aces on my wider transition board and Ventures for my regular board for forever. Truck madness cured.
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What size board and WB are you rocking them on? I got a pair that I'm itching to try but the thought of them extending the WB by 3.5" makes it hard for me to find a board to match. DLX boards would be a hard sell given most of them already have WB starting from 14.38 and up.
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It's a Theories 7.75 x 31.375 with a 14" wheelbase. This is also the year of going back to under 8s.

This is the ideal sized skateboard for me. I don’t have to fight it. Annoyed with myself for being trendy and not just riding what works
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 30, 2020, 10:31:56 AM
Quote from: Banned from the room on January 29, 2020, 05:36:52 PM
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shaved down my thunder stock bushings halfway. tried to take a hot knife to it at first and it was a butcher job. had to fix it up against my cruisers griptape. knowing i wouldnt be able to sleep without trying it out, i threw them back in my thunders went to the local ball courts in 30 degree weather.

with the nut flush they were at rattling looseness. within the first push i realized that i am not good enough to handle this twitch. pushing at full speed was a safety hazard and i dont have the balance to set up a trick when any sudden lean throws me. if you ride your thunders loose, mad respect to you. i tightened them to what would be a bit looser than flush with a regular bushing and it easily felt better than my reg tightness. my nollie back shoves were really on for the 45 min i stayed out.

not sure if ill stay on these bushings or go to a proper low bushing, but im sticking with a low top bushing from now on. i do want to get good enough eventually to ride almost rattly and i think the trick is to just let them get loose and never tighten them. with a couple threads peeking out, ill treat them like training wheels
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Why though? Some weird pride thing? The only person that can ride thunders like that is Frank, and he's a 45 year old grown man with the body weight of a 12 year old boy. Just ride your shit stock and tight. Embrace the stability.
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I love the sound of jinglingy washers in the morning. It sounds like victory.

It also feels good when someone who is really good trys to ride your set up and cant. I love that.

They just tip right off my board...but, I do the same on theirs because they're always too fucking tight...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 30, 2020, 12:39:30 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 30, 2020, 10:31:56 AM
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shaved down my thunder stock bushings halfway. tried to take a hot knife to it at first and it was a butcher job. had to fix it up against my cruisers griptape. knowing i wouldnt be able to sleep without trying it out, i threw them back in my thunders went to the local ball courts in 30 degree weather.

with the nut flush they were at rattling looseness. within the first push i realized that i am not good enough to handle this twitch. pushing at full speed was a safety hazard and i dont have the balance to set up a trick when any sudden lean throws me. if you ride your thunders loose, mad respect to you. i tightened them to what would be a bit looser than flush with a regular bushing and it easily felt better than my reg tightness. my nollie back shoves were really on for the 45 min i stayed out.

not sure if ill stay on these bushings or go to a proper low bushing, but im sticking with a low top bushing from now on. i do want to get good enough eventually to ride almost rattly and i think the trick is to just let them get loose and never tighten them. with a couple threads peeking out, ill treat them like training wheels
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Why though? Some weird pride thing? The only person that can ride thunders like that is Frank, and he's a 45 year old grown man with the body weight of a 12 year old boy. Just ride your shit stock and tight. Embrace the stability.
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I love the sound of jinglingy washers in the morning. It sounds like victory.

It also feels good when someone who is really good trys to ride your set up and cant. I love that.
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They just tip right off my board...but, I do the same on theirs because they're always too fucking tight...

yeah. Thats me on krux. I couldnt even push the two times I tried others'
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on January 30, 2020, 01:27:49 PM
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Venture 5.6 Titaniums!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 30, 2020, 07:57:53 PM
Pretty sick.....I assume highs yeah?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on January 31, 2020, 03:42:32 AM
pretty sure 5.6, 5.8 and 6.1 only come in high, so yeah.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 31, 2020, 05:19:41 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on January 30, 2020, 01:27:49 PM
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Venture 5.6 Titaniums!

Why does DLX/Venture think we want gold fucking baseplates on the TIs?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 31, 2020, 01:46:40 PM
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on January 31, 2020, 01:54:29 PM
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Venture 5.6 Titaniums!
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Why does DLX/Venture think we want gold fucking baseplates on the TIs?

They should probably make some raws but I won't lie I'm pretty into it. Coloured hangers are always a no go but I can get behind black or anodized baseplates
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 31, 2020, 02:24:28 PM
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Venture 5.6 Titaniums!
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Why does DLX/Venture think we want gold fucking baseplates on the TIs?
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They should probably make some raws but I won't lie I'm pretty into it. Coloured hangers are always a no go but I can get behind black or anodized baseplates

same. Id still rock regs raw over a titanium with a pretty phresh ked color way.

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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on February 01, 2020, 09:48:50 PM
for those who are loving ventures, were you riding wb shortening trucks (indy ace etc)?

going from thunder to venture (151 to 6.1) was a disappointment for me. i think cause they are both in the wb
stretching category that the difference isnt as huge and there is more to closely compare.

indy to venture is night and day with turn, stability, manual point, pop feel, etc. i can see why a long time indy rider would see them as a breath of fresh air. a thunder rider? i wouldnt think so. anybody switch from thunder to venture or vice versa?

my theory with venture's resurgence is the stark contrast to indy. independent is the most popular truck company with diehard fans/customers. give those customers reasons to try other shit (moving to china, pros leaving, nhs spongebob collabs) and brand loyalty loosens up a bit. give those same customers trucks that are bizarro indys performance wise, pick up bobby fucking worrest, and tell those people that they are "awake" from their purchase? dlx did a marketing masterclass with perfect timing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 01, 2020, 10:43:25 PM
I think it's their shift to higher trucks and marketing.....it's a bit of a red herring I think....can't say I'm above it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on February 01, 2020, 11:23:55 PM
Quote from: off on February 01, 2020, 09:48:50 PM
for those who are loving ventures, were you riding wb shortening trucks (indy ace etc)?

going from thunder to venture (151 to 6.1) was a disappointment for me. i think cause they are both in the wb
stretching category that the difference isnt as huge and there is more to closely compare.

indy to venture is night and day with turn, stability, manual point, pop feel, etc. i can see why a long time indy rider would see them as a breath of fresh air. a thunder rider? i wouldnt think so. anybody switch from thunder to venture or vice versa?

my theory with venture's resurgence is the stark contrast to indy. independent is the most popular truck company with diehard fans/customers. give those customers reasons to try other shit (moving to china, pros leaving, nhs spongebob collabs) and brand loyalty loosens up a bit. give those same customers trucks that are bizarro indys performance wise, pick up bobby fucking worrest, and tell those people that they are "awake" from their purchase? dlx did a marketing masterclass with perfect timing


Are you referring to the Forged or Cast? Cast adds 3.125", Forged adds 3.5", someone check the WB on your Trucks thread.

I'm riding a long WB DLX board right now (14.4") and the board was feeling really heavy with Thunders, the board wasn't sticking to my feet. Swapped them out for Indy Standard 144 and the pop definitely felt more lively. It's amazing how much 0.25" can change the feel of the board. Despite Indy's being heavier by weight the heft made pops and flicks feel more lofty, baseplate placement really helped out slides tremendous. However the front of the board did feel a little too light and the height at 55mm was a little hard to adjust to, 53.5 would have been about right.

I'm saving my Ventures for a board with a 14" WB, think that should get me a nice 17.5" WB.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on February 01, 2020, 11:42:22 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on February 01, 2020, 11:23:55 PM
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for those who are loving ventures, were you riding wb shortening trucks (indy ace etc)?

going from thunder to venture (151 to 6.1) was a disappointment for me. i think cause they are both in the wb
stretching category that the difference isnt as huge and there is more to closely compare.

indy to venture is night and day with turn, stability, manual point, pop feel, etc. i can see why a long time indy rider would see them as a breath of fresh air. a thunder rider? i wouldnt think so. anybody switch from thunder to venture or vice versa?

my theory with venture's resurgence is the stark contrast to indy. independent is the most popular truck company with diehard fans/customers. give those customers reasons to try other shit (moving to china, pros leaving, nhs spongebob collabs) and brand loyalty loosens up a bit. give those same customers trucks that are bizarro indys performance wise, pick up bobby fucking worrest, and tell those people that they are "awake" from their purchase? dlx did a marketing masterclass with perfect timing
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Are you referring to the Forged or Cast? Cast adds 3.125", Forged adds 3.5", someone check the WB on your Trucks thread.

I'm riding a long WB DLX board right now (14.4") and the board was feeling really heavy with Thunders, the board wasn't sticking to my feet. Swapped them out for Indy Standard 144 and the pop definitely felt more lively. It's amazing how much 0.25" can change the feel of the board. Despite Indy's being heavier by weight the heft made pops and flicks feel more lofty, baseplate placement really helped out slides tremendous. However the front of the board did feel a little too light and the height at 55mm was a little hard to adjust to, 53.5 would have been about right.

I'm saving my Ventures for a board with a 14" WB, think that should get me a nice 17.5" WB.
are you talking about indys?

i had a real twin tail with that same wb and indy 144 standard. the thing was that it popped, but popped way lower than i wanted it. didnt like it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on February 02, 2020, 12:24:23 AM
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on February 02, 2020, 02:56:13 AM
I got my Film 5.5s last week and I'm LOVING them. That little bushing nipple plus their geometry is magic, I'm riding them at factory tightness which is pretty loose for me and I keep thinking that I'm going to bottom out or bite but it never happens.

They kind of remind me of my theeve ti-hanger with the whole "stable on center but turns on a dime" thing but aren't quite as snappy and responsive. There's a little more resistance which gives them this amazing surf-y feel while maintaining the tight turn. They felt broken in right out of the box, no squeaking or stiff feel. They're on the close together side wheelbase wise like an Ace or theeve, which probably helps add to that tight turning radius.

Pop is great, feels similar to a forged venture or indy to me which is ideal. Casting looks really high quality, no pitting or wonky spots. The bushings are awesome, best stock bushings I've tried in a long time... Maybe ever. I found it interesting that the bottom one appears to be machined but the top is molded, I guess so they could get the nipple.

Only complaint I have is not about the trucks.. I ordered the hollows and Eurotings sent me the raws. Luckily another SLAP member that I trade stuff with from time to time wanted the raws so I just emailed ET and told them what happened and then put in an order for a set of raws and they're going to send the hollows (and some freebies to make up for the fuck up) this time. So if anyone else was curious about Film I can add to the previous favorable reviews here and definitely recommend them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on February 02, 2020, 09:51:52 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on February 02, 2020, 02:56:13 AM
I got my Film 5.5s last week and I'm LOVING them. That little bushing nipple plus their geometry is magic, I'm riding them at factory tightness which is pretty loose for me and I keep thinking that I'm going to bottom out or bite but it never happens.

They kind of remind me of my theeve ti-hanger with the whole "stable on center but turns on a dime" thing but aren't quite as snappy and responsive. There's a little more resistance which gives them this amazing surf-y feel while maintaining the tight turn. They felt broken in right out of the box, no squeaking or stiff feel. They're on the close together side wheelbase wise like an Ace or theeve, which probably helps add to that tight turning radius.

Pop is great, feels similar to a forged venture or indy to me which is ideal. Casting looks really high quality, no pitting or wonky spots. The bushings are awesome, best stock bushings I've tried in a long time... Maybe ever. I found it interesting that the bottom one appears to be machined but the top is molded, I guess so they could get the nipple.

Only complaint I have is not about the trucks.. I ordered the hollows and Eurotings sent me the raws. Luckily another SLAP member that I trade stuff with from time to time wanted the raws so I just emailed ET and told them what happened and then put in an order for a set of raws and they're going to send the hollows (and some freebies to make up for the fuck up) this time. So if anyone else was curious about Film I can add to the previous favorable reviews here and definitely recommend them.
You've got me touching my nipple. Keep us updated. I'm curious about what the alloy/grind is like. Anyone with these also ridden Ace's?

Seems pretty cool of Eurotings to fix their goof up like that. Glad it worked out for you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beatifk on February 05, 2020, 04:32:29 AM
The bushings in my thunder hollow lights are cracking/breaking after 2 months of winter skating... it's bound to happen I suppose. Whats the stock hardness of the bushings? From what I found on the internet they're all 90a in thunders. I want to replace them with the same hardness.

Also, the axles are looking rusty. I've never experienced this before. Is it normal? I usually skate indy or ace and these are the first trucks I've ever owned that have hollow axles... maybe the metal is different and more susceptible to rust? I do live in a very humid area but I've never had this happen with any of my indy or aces.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chappers on February 05, 2020, 05:29:01 AM
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on February 05, 2020, 05:58:02 AM
Quote from: beatifk on February 05, 2020, 04:32:29 AM
The bushings in my thunder hollow lights are cracking/breaking after 2 months of winter skating... it's bound to happen I suppose. Whats the stock hardness of the bushings? From what I found on the internet they're all 90a in thunders. I want to replace them with the same hardness.

Also, the axles are looking rusty. I've never experienced this before. Is it normal? I usually skate indy or ace and these are the first trucks I've ever owned that have hollow axles... maybe the metal is different and more susceptible to rust? I do live in a very humid area but I've never had this happen with any of my indy or aces.

Got my first Indy hollows recently (by accident, shop gave me one hollow and one standard and I said fuck it) and the inside of the axle looks rusty after a month. Even if it was rust it wouldn't affect function, but it's a bit of an eyesore.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diamonds and Wood on February 05, 2020, 05:58:34 AM
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Heywoodfloyd on February 05, 2020, 06:46:00 AM
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Two top bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on February 05, 2020, 07:08:15 AM
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Two top bushings?
These are Ace's? And Ace uses thicker bushings, right?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 05, 2020, 08:46:10 AM
Looks like two bones tops....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on February 05, 2020, 09:33:36 AM
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Posted this in the venture thread but thought I'd post it in here as well. First set of trucks I've skated that weren't Indys in over ten years. Haven't had a chance to fully test them out yet but I'm digging it so far; like the difference in wheelbase so far, will report back soon with how I feel about them as I skate em more.

Also right off the bat I switched em out for some hard DohDohs I had lying around, just to add a bit more stability since I'm a heavier dude and I like more of a medium tight feel. Bottom stock bushing for the ventures is shorter though than the Doh Doh bottom bushing. How does having a taller bottom bushing effect the truck? Would it effect the trucks negatively? I am far from a truck scientist so I wouldn't know at all. Im sure this has been answered earlier somewhere in this thread but it's too many pages to browse through and I'm lazy hah.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on February 05, 2020, 09:39:36 AM
good luck with those, I loved the 5.8s I had, though I slipped both axles within 5 sessions. hoping the replacement pair I have coming from dlx treats me better. really loved the grind and pop, the turn sucked for me at 145lbs, but ended up liking it more than the stiffness of thunders after adjusting, just when I had them broken in and dialed in they broke. such is life.

as far as bushings go, top being too big or too small isn't gonna mess the geo up, but it'll be harder to get the nut to thread. always could run the stock top or just tighten down the stock pair a little bit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on February 05, 2020, 09:55:22 AM
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Posted this in the venture thread but thought I'd post it in here as well. First set of trucks I've skated that weren't Indys in over ten years. Haven't had a chance to fully test them out yet but I'm digging it so far; like the difference in wheelbase so far, will report back soon with how I feel about them as I skate em more.

Also right off the bat I switched em out for some hard DohDohs I had lying around, just to add a bit more stability since I'm a heavier dude and I like more of a medium tight feel. Bottom stock bushing for the ventures is shorter though than the Doh Doh bottom bushing. How does having a taller bottom bushing effect the truck? Would it effect the trucks negatively? I am far from a truck scientist so I wouldn't know at all. Im sure this has been answered earlier somewhere in this thread but it's too many pages to browse through and I'm lazy hah.
Taller bottom (boardslide) bushing should make trucks feel carvier but it's just a tiny geometry change.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: In A Jar on February 05, 2020, 10:01:58 AM
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How many sets of Bones bushings did you buy to get all those washers?   ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on February 05, 2020, 11:36:18 AM
Quote from: Noble Experiment on February 05, 2020, 09:33:36 AM
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Posted this in the venture thread but thought I'd post it in here as well. First set of trucks I've skated that weren't Indys in over ten years. Haven't had a chance to fully test them out yet but I'm digging it so far; like the difference in wheelbase so far, will report back soon with how I feel about them as I skate em more.

Also right off the bat I switched em out for some hard DohDohs I had lying around, just to add a bit more stability since I'm a heavier dude and I like more of a medium tight feel. Bottom stock bushing for the ventures is shorter though than the Doh Doh bottom bushing. How does having a taller bottom bushing effect the truck? Would it effect the trucks negatively? I am far from a truck scientist so I wouldn't know at all. Im sure this has been answered earlier somewhere in this thread but it's too many pages to browse through and I'm lazy hah.

Ah yes, salting your food before you taste it, and then wondering how it will taste. Which is great if you like salt.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on February 05, 2020, 11:41:54 AM
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How many sets of Bones bushings did you buy to get all those washers?   ;D

at least six, maybe twelve. ^^
nah I think he/she got the washers from home depot or something. the question remains.. why?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on February 05, 2020, 11:57:23 AM
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How many sets of Bones bushings did you buy to get all those washers?   ;D
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at least six, maybe twelve. ^^
nah I think he/she got the washers from home depot or something. the question remains.. why?
I see you're a man of culture as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on February 05, 2020, 12:19:41 PM
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Two top bushings?
Looks like that for sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kombuch-A-Holic on February 05, 2020, 12:37:22 PM
Ace says "loose trucks save lives".  But wheel bite kills! I'm 180lbs and fuck!! I've never spent so much money on bushings in my life trying to get my Aces from getting wheel bite. And I'm skating 50mm wheels. Currently running Indy super hard yellows. Which I think all of indys bushings are the same hardness. I swear the red 88s are harder than the yellow 99s.   If i only skated curbs and transition I guess they would be just fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 05, 2020, 12:44:23 PM
Quote from: Kombuch-A-Holic on February 05, 2020, 12:37:22 PM
Ace says "loose trucks save lives".  But wheel bite kills! I'm 180lbs and fuck!! I've never spent so much money on bushings in my life trying to get my Aces from getting wheel bite. And I'm skating 50mm wheels. Currently running Indy super hard yellows. Which I think all of indys bushings are the same hardness. I swear the red 88s are harder than the yellow 99s.   If i only skated curbs and transition I guess they would be just fine.

Strange, at the same loose/tightness I feel like Aces don't have nearly as bad wheelbite as Thunders or Indys. I weigh more than you and back when I skated Aces I felt like they were some of the best when it came to wheelbite. Maybe just run them a bit tighter? Stock should be fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kombuch-A-Holic on February 05, 2020, 12:48:15 PM
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Ace says "loose trucks save lives".  But wheel bite kills! I'm 180lbs and fuck!! I've never spent so much money on bushings in my life trying to get my Aces from getting wheel bite. And I'm skating 50mm wheels. Currently running Indy super hard yellows. Which I think all of indys bushings are the same hardness. I swear the red 88s are harder than the yellow 99s.   If i only skated curbs and transition I guess they would be just fine.
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Strange, at the same loose/tightness I feel like Aces don't have nearly as bad wheelbite as Thunders or Indys. I weigh more than you and back when I skated Aces I felt like they were some of the best when it came to wheelbite. Maybe just run them a bit tighter? Stock should be fine.

I can go tighter for sure with these Indy bushings. I blew the stocks out the first day because I had to tighten them so much. They just turned to mush.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 05, 2020, 12:49:48 PM
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Ace says "loose trucks save lives".  But wheel bite kills! I'm 180lbs and fuck!! I've never spent so much money on bushings in my life trying to get my Aces from getting wheel bite. And I'm skating 50mm wheels. Currently running Indy super hard yellows. Which I think all of indys bushings are the same hardness. I swear the red 88s are harder than the yellow 99s.   If i only skated curbs and transition I guess they would be just fine.
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Strange, at the same loose/tightness I feel like Aces don't have nearly as bad wheelbite as Thunders or Indys. I weigh more than you and back when I skated Aces I felt like they were some of the best when it came to wheelbite. Maybe just run them a bit tighter? Stock should be fine.
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I can go tighter for sure with these Indy bushings. I blew the stocks out the first day because I had to tighten them so much. They just turned to mush.

Damn wtf thats weird, if anything I feel like Ace stocks are tighter when new and loosen up eventually.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on February 05, 2020, 12:54:22 PM
with aces I never get wheelbite from just cruising but definitely get it on landings sometimes. indy stage 11 I never really got wheelbite. stage 10 was another story though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on February 05, 2020, 05:15:27 PM
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Posted this in the venture thread but thought I'd post it in here as well. First set of trucks I've skated that weren't Indys in over ten years. Haven't had a chance to fully test them out yet but I'm digging it so far; like the difference in wheelbase so far, will report back soon with how I feel about them as I skate em more.

Also right off the bat I switched em out for some hard DohDohs I had lying around, just to add a bit more stability since I'm a heavier dude and I like more of a medium tight feel. Bottom stock bushing for the ventures is shorter though than the Doh Doh bottom bushing. How does having a taller bottom bushing effect the truck? Would it effect the trucks negatively? I am far from a truck scientist so I wouldn't know at all. Im sure this has been answered earlier somewhere in this thread but it's too many pages to browse through and I'm lazy hah.
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Ah yes, salting your food before you taste it, and then wondering how it will taste. Which is great if you like salt.
After I set em up I cruised around and wasn't feeling the venture bushings at all, definitely prefer a harder bushing and the ventures felt too soft and mushy to me and i had the hard doh dohs lying around and I didn't feel like having to steadily break in the venture bushings and tighten them over time to my desired tightness as theyre breaking in when I could just put the doh dohs in and get that perfect medium tightness right off the bat, so I swapped em; had the doh dohs on some trucks in the past and liked em so figured I'd put em on these too, but hey what do I know about what I like right?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on February 06, 2020, 02:28:31 AM
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Ace says "loose trucks save lives".  But wheel bite kills! I'm 180lbs and fuck!! I've never spent so much money on bushings in my life trying to get my Aces from getting wheel bite. And I'm skating 50mm wheels. Currently running Indy super hard yellows. Which I think all of indys bushings are the same hardness. I swear the red 88s are harder than the yellow 99s.   If i only skated curbs and transition I guess they would be just fine.
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Strange, at the same loose/tightness I feel like Aces don't have nearly as bad wheelbite as Thunders or Indys. I weigh more than you and back when I skated Aces I felt like they were some of the best when it came to wheelbite. Maybe just run them a bit tighter? Stock should be fine.
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I can go tighter for sure with these Indy bushings. I blew the stocks out the first day because I had to tighten them so much. They just turned to mush.
I put thunder 95, blue ones, and they work good for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 06, 2020, 05:35:30 AM
Quote from: Kombuch-A-Holic on February 05, 2020, 12:37:22 PM
Ace says "loose trucks save lives".  But wheel bite kills! I'm 180lbs and fuck!! I've never spent so much money on bushings in my life trying to get my Aces from getting wheel bite. And I'm skating 50mm wheels. Currently running Indy super hard yellows. Which I think all of indys bushings are the same hardness. I swear the red 88s are harder than the yellow 99s.   If i only skated curbs and transition I guess they would be just fine.

Theeve’s. Oval yoke, wheels turn inward and the turn is just very slightly less amazing than Ace. Super hard to wheelbite with these trucks and I’m 210lbs. I’ve had the same issue as you with every other truck. No longer.... I sleep much better now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on February 06, 2020, 05:43:44 AM
Hey so I have a possible axel slip? One of my bearings is popping out of the wheel and isn't spinning very well, I tried pushing it down but that didn't work. I noticed that the other wheel spins fine, and feels looser feeling with the nut on. The other one which is tightened about the same feels tighter.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on February 06, 2020, 08:35:39 AM
Quote from: ClownOfTheDay on February 06, 2020, 05:43:44 AM
Hey so I have a possible axel slip? One of my bearings is popping out of the wheel and isn't spinning very well, I tried pushing it down but that didn't work. I noticed that the other wheel spins fine, and feels looser feeling with the nut on. The other one which is tightened about the same feels tighter.

maybe a bearing press would help
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 06, 2020, 08:59:16 AM
Quote from: ClownOfTheDay on February 06, 2020, 05:43:44 AM
Hey so I have a possible axel slip? One of my bearings is popping out of the wheel and isn't spinning very well, I tried pushing it down but that didn't work. I noticed that the other wheel spins fine, and feels looser feeling with the nut on. The other one which is tightened about the same feels tighter.

Try pressing the bearing into the wheel on the other truck. If it doesn’t work it’s probably just the wheel. If it does, and this keeps happening on the problem truck, then yeah, could be axle slip?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on February 06, 2020, 10:32:43 AM
just got my replacement pair of ventures from dlx today, raining where I'm at so can't go skate or anything. got the kaders as the replacement. these white bushings are amazing. idk if it was the green ones or what was going on, I'm not gonna fuck with them to see because they're perfect. last pair I had did not turn like this just standing on them, just standing on it they feel like they're gonna turn as good as Indys.

can't wait to give them a shot, they already feel way better than my last pair.

edit: also can finally seem to wheelbite them without fucking with the bushings. is this how it is with the purple bushings too? or did I just have a shitty pair before?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on February 06, 2020, 10:36:16 AM
Quote from: Weezil on February 06, 2020, 10:32:43 AM
just got my replacement pair of ventures from dlx today, raining where I'm at so can't go skate or anything. got the kaders as the replacement. these white bushings are amazing.
The 6.1 Kaders? I stay being tempted by those
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on February 06, 2020, 11:16:04 AM
5.8s, I stay going back and forth between 8.25 and 8.5s. tempted on the 6.1s too though if they turn even better than this though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on February 06, 2020, 11:34:30 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 06, 2020, 08:59:16 AM
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Hey so I have a possible axel slip? One of my bearings is popping out of the wheel and isn't spinning very well, I tried pushing it down but that didn't work. I noticed that the other wheel spins fine, and feels looser feeling with the nut on. The other one which is tightened about the same feels tighter.
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Try pressing the bearing into the wheel on the other truck. If it doesn’t work it’s probably just the wheel. If it does, and this keeps happening on the problem truck, then yeah, could be axle slip?

Do you use spacers in your wheels? Have you tried to put another bearing on top of the other to put it in the wheel?
I had the same problem, but in my case it were the wheel not the axle. cleaned the wheel with a bit of gasoline and the bearings popped in much smoother.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on February 06, 2020, 11:54:04 AM
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Hey so I have a possible axel slip? One of my bearings is popping out of the wheel and isn't spinning very well, I tried pushing it down but that didn't work. I noticed that the other wheel spins fine, and feels looser feeling with the nut on. The other one which is tightened about the same feels tighter.
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Try pressing the bearing into the wheel on the other truck. If it doesn’t work it’s probably just the wheel. If it does, and this keeps happening on the problem truck, then yeah, could be axle slip?
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Do you use spacers in your wheels? Have you tried to put another bearing on top of the other to put it in the wheel?
I had the same problem, but in my case it were the wheel not the axle. cleaned the wheel with a bit of gasoline and the bearings popped in much smoother.
No spacers, I first popped in my wheels the bearings were fine and rolled smoothly, I might have landed on my board weird or something that fucked either the wheel or truck up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on February 06, 2020, 12:55:15 PM
Can even be some grain if you don’t use spacers anything can fuck up free spin of the wheel.

Always ride those speed ring washers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on February 07, 2020, 05:49:19 AM
Quote from: jtrpma on February 06, 2020, 12:55:15 PM
Can even be some grain if you don’t use spacers anything can fuck up free spin of the wheel.

Always ride those speed ring washers.
You know whats funny, I didn't have this problem until I took those off. I never fully understand those things.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not A Damn Chance on February 07, 2020, 11:22:27 AM
I keep cracking my front pivot cup on my indys.
 I replaced it last week with another brand new Indy pivot cup and it’s already cracked. I can’t understand why it keeps happening.  My trucks aren’t tight at all. I don’t do any tricks off the nose.  I don’t skate drops over chest high. Haven’t been throwing my board.  I sometimes stomp down on flat ground tricks but I rarely skate flat for more than 5 mins.  I am a twig, weigh about 125 lbs.
Anybody got any ideas?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on February 07, 2020, 12:40:07 PM
Quote from: HateFV on February 07, 2020, 11:22:27 AM
I keep cracking my front pivot cup on my indys.
 I replaced it last week with another brand new Indy pivot cup and it’s already cracked. I can’t understand why it keeps happening.  My trucks aren’t tight at all. I don’t do any tricks off the nose.  I don’t skate drops over chest high. Haven’t been throwing my board.  I sometimes stomp down on flat ground tricks but I rarely skate flat for more than 5 mins.  I am a twig, weigh about 125 lbs.
Anybody got any ideas?

Did you check the pivot cup area on the baseplate and on the base of the hangar for burrs or any other imperfections that might lead to uneven pressure getting put on the pivot cup itself?

Otherwise I’d say your best bet is a little bit of speed cream/coconut oil to minimize friction, or switch to a softer pivot cup like Khiros or Riptide.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on February 07, 2020, 01:14:47 PM
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Can even be some grain if you don’t use spacers anything can fuck up free spin of the wheel.

Always ride those speed ring washers.
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You know whats funny, I didn't have this problem until I took those off. I never fully understand those things.

I think spacers and speed rings should keep your bearings level in the wheels. You know all that impact and gravity and stuff. Sorry English isn't my native language.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on February 07, 2020, 01:48:33 PM
Speed rings are so the spinning inner races never touch the hanger or axle nut. They're kinda like a buffer cuz the hanger and nut aren't spinning.
Adding a lil space would also let poor fitting shields clear without rubbing.

Spacers are so big lateral loads (think stomped primo landings) don't misalign the inner races. Might also apply to slalom racers and freestylers doing 360's. The outer race should be supported by the wheel core.
The thickness of the spacer and the wheel core need to be the same. I don't bother with spacers cuz whenever I've tried them they were either too thick or too thin.


Is Khiro still in business? Their pivot cups have gotten hard to find. Riptide is pricey. There's Krux too. Shorty's, Supercush/DLX, and??
Active had nice pivot cups. Would have been nice to know who made those.
Be a lil careful with using oil on them too. Depending on the type of oil it could harden or soften the rubber.

Doing lotsa fs slappies? Slappy krooks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on February 07, 2020, 01:56:48 PM
Quote from: satan on February 07, 2020, 01:48:33 PM


Is Khiro still in business? Their pivot cups have gotten hard to find. Riptide is pricey. There's Krux too. Shorty's, Supercush/DLX, and??
Active had nice pivot cups. Would have been nice to know who made those.
Be a lil careful with using oil on them too. Depending on the type of oil it could harden or soften the rubber.

Doing lotsa fs slappies? Slappy krooks?

MiniLogo pivot cups come in bulk. Nothing special, but not horrible - and cheap.  https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/mini-logo-white-pivot-cups-10-pack?source=googleshopping&locale=en-US
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on February 07, 2020, 02:06:38 PM
Want to throw some spacers in my set up but haven't bought a pair of bearings that included them (yet) and probably not worth just to grab separately. if thats even a thing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 07, 2020, 02:07:31 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on February 07, 2020, 02:06:38 PM
Want to throw some spacers in my set up but haven't bought a pair of bearings that included them (yet) and probably not worth just to grab separately. if thats even a thing

It isn't, and it is.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on February 07, 2020, 05:01:34 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on February 07, 2020, 02:06:38 PM
Want to throw some spacers in my set up but haven't bought a pair of bearings that included them (yet) and probably not worth just to grab separately. if thats even a thing

Spacers are only worth it if the bearing seats are molded perfectly and parallel, and that's almost never the case in my experience.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on February 07, 2020, 06:41:40 PM
Quote from: satan on February 07, 2020, 01:48:33 PM

Is Khiro still in business? Their pivot cups have gotten hard to find. Riptide is pricey. There's Krux too. Shorty's, Supercush/DLX, and??
Active had nice pivot cups. Would have been nice to know who made those.
Be a lil careful with using oil on them too. Depending on the type of oil it could harden or soften the rubber.

Doing lotsa fs slappies? Slappy krooks?


pretty sure the dude at Khiro passed away.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oldbummer on February 07, 2020, 08:49:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcEn1wR4CQQ
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not A Damn Chance on February 09, 2020, 05:54:49 AM
Quote from: Lt. Frank Drebin on February 07, 2020, 12:40:07 PM

Did you check the pivot cup area on the baseplate and on the base of the hangar for burrs or any other imperfections that might lead to uneven pressure getting put on the pivot cup itself?

Otherwise I’d say your best bet is a little bit of speed cream/coconut oil to minimize friction, or switch to a softer pivot cup like Khiros or Riptide.

Thank you for your response and suggestions. Going to try them out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 10, 2020, 02:43:53 PM
My questions are has any one noticed the thunder teams been getting progressively higher since the team trucks conception?

Second question what is the ride height at ctr axle  supposed to be? Isn't is like 51.5 or something
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on February 10, 2020, 03:51:11 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on February 10, 2020, 02:43:53 PM
My questions are has any one noticed the thunder teams been getting progressively higher since the team trucks conception?

Second question what is the ride height at ctr axle  supposed to be? Isn't is like 51.5 or something

I just replaced some 151s with some 151s that were several years old hoping they'd be a little higher. I looked very carefully for any differences. The only difference was  maybe a little more meat in the wings... Exact same height, which is supposed to be around 52.5
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 10, 2020, 06:56:44 PM
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My questions are has any one noticed the thunder teams been getting progressively higher since the team trucks conception?

Second question what is the ride height at ctr axle  supposed to be? Isn't is like 51.5 or something
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I just replaced some 151s with some 151s that were several years old hoping they'd be a little higher. I looked very carefully for any differences. The only difference was  maybe a little more meat in the wings... Exact same height, which is supposed to be around 52.5

thank you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sammyz on February 13, 2020, 12:38:15 PM
Does anyone ride an 8.5 with 159’s?

Also why is it that standard indy’s feel better than hollow and forged? Every time i go back to standards i wonder why i bother with the other stuff...its almost like the extra weight helps with my pop and generally a nicer ride...but maybe its just me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fooj on February 13, 2020, 12:47:57 PM
Quote from: sammyz on February 13, 2020, 12:38:15 PM
Does anyone ride an 8.5 with 159’s?

Also why is it that standard indy’s feel better than hollow and forged? Every time i go back to standards i wonder why i bother with the other stuff...its almost like the extra weight helps with my pop and generally a nicer ride...but maybe its just me.

Might be the extra 1.5mm height from the Forged to the standard youre feeling?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: weedgod94 on February 13, 2020, 12:50:49 PM
Quote from: sammyz on February 13, 2020, 12:38:15 PM
Does anyone ride an 8.5 with 159’s?

Also why is it that standard indy’s feel better than hollow and forged? Every time i go back to standards i wonder why i bother with the other stuff...its almost like the extra weight helps with my pop and generally a nicer ride...but maybe its just me.
last time i bought 159s (pre-china) they were so fucked, and they also got stuck on curbs cuz theyre like the exact same width. now i skate 149s on 8.38s but they seem like the better size for 8.5s too.  I agree that there's no reason to buy the "nicer" ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on February 13, 2020, 08:16:22 PM
Quote from: sammyz on February 13, 2020, 12:38:15 PM
Does anyone ride an 8.5 with 159’s?

Also why is it that standard indy’s feel better than hollow and forged? Every time i go back to standards i wonder why i bother with the other stuff...its almost like the extra weight helps with my pop and generally a nicer ride...but maybe its just me.

I have and really liked it. 8.58 felt best on 159 imo. Better than 8.75 pops.

Also I have the same feeling about my hollows. Always loved the turn and pop on my 159s and got hollows because of that. They feel sluggish, stiff and not dynamic for some reason.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mrdanielcarter on February 13, 2020, 08:43:42 PM
Thunder 161s, Orbs 53mm, and REDS .

Indys are for #nazis .
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on February 13, 2020, 09:46:11 PM
Quote from: mrdanielcarter on February 13, 2020, 08:43:42 PM
Thunder 161s, Orbs 53mm, and REDS .

Indys are for #nazis .

Maybe try not to get hate during your first posts on here.
Positivity goes a long way, you know.

As much as nazis suck, the iron cross Logo and brand image of Indy are questionable. His question was factional and that was asked for.

There is enough bullshit Threads that go off where people can throw feces as much as they want. If that is why you’re online, check the “useless wooden toy banter” section on slap.


Shalom
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 16, 2020, 10:52:45 AM
I’ve been happy with my theeve’s but out of boredom I set up some 148 thunders that I’ve had chilling collecting dust for awhile. I have bones hard bottoms and an Ace top bushing, no washers. 8.25” board. I had a bad time on the 161’s early in the season, but these being smaller Thunders with a short wheelbase they skated the indoor bowl really nice. Nice n carvy, no wheelbite. Think I may keep skating these for awhile and see how it goes. I like Thunders, they’re a solid truck. That’s two brand replacements over Ace that I’m happy with now, no QC to worry about.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on February 16, 2020, 11:31:05 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 16, 2020, 10:52:45 AM
I’ve been happy with my theeve’s but out of boredom I set up some 148 thunders that I’ve had chilling collecting dust for awhile. I have bones hard bottoms and an Ace top bushing, no washers. 8.25” board. I had a bad time on the 161’s early in the season, but these being smaller Thunders with a short wheelbase they skated the indoor bowl really nice. Nice n carvy, no wheelbite. Think I may keep skating these for awhile and see how it goes. I like Thunders, they’re a solid truck. That’s two brand replacements over Ace that I’m happy with now, no QC to worry about.
what size wheel are you running?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 16, 2020, 02:55:17 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 16, 2020, 10:52:45 AM
I’ve been happy with my theeve’s but out of boredom I set up some 148 thunders that I’ve had chilling collecting dust for awhile. I have bones hard bottoms and an Ace top bushing, no washers. 8.25” board. I had a bad time on the 161’s early in the season, but these being smaller Thunders with a short wheelbase they skated the indoor bowl really nice. Nice n carvy, no wheelbite. Think I may keep skating these for awhile and see how it goes. I like Thunders, they’re a solid truck. That’s two brand replacements over Ace that I’m happy with now, no QC to worry about.

Tensors next! ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 17, 2020, 07:52:28 AM
Quote from: Xen on February 16, 2020, 02:55:17 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 16, 2020, 10:52:45 AM
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I’ve been happy with my theeve’s but out of boredom I set up some 148 thunders that I’ve had chilling collecting dust for awhile. I have bones hard bottoms and an Ace top bushing, no washers. 8.25” board. I had a bad time on the 161’s early in the season, but these being smaller Thunders with a short wheelbase they skated the indoor bowl really nice. Nice n carvy, no wheelbite. Think I may keep skating these for awhile and see how it goes. I like Thunders, they’re a solid truck. That’s two brand replacements over Ace that I’m happy with now, no QC to worry about.
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Tensors next! ;)

I have to get over the look of them. Took me some time with Theeve’s as well lol.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on February 17, 2020, 09:59:15 PM
Have any of you guys gone through this??

So lately I’ve been riding my cruiser with indys and they’re on a welcome 8”

I’ve found that I ride 8’s preferably and I’ve also noticed I’ve gotten so use to the indys I prefer them now and or trucks like them(ace, Royal, mini logo) that have a shorter wheelbase

I tried riding my venture and thunders and they just didn’t do it for me, all on the same krooked deck 8.06

I like the lower center of gravity with the thunders but the shorter wheelbase of the Indy and ace give me more comfortable turning and easier pop

I use to swear by thunders but idk, had a rough time with them lately compared to the indys

Easily got my tre’s down with the indys and ace but the thunders just want to float longer

So basically, anyone go from the leader in control to ride the best?

How are the atg by the way? I’m too lazy to search and want some updated reviews
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Smartass on February 17, 2020, 10:26:23 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 16, 2020, 10:52:45 AM
I’ve been happy with my theeve’s but out of boredom I set up some 148 thunders that I’ve had chilling collecting dust for awhile. I have bones hard bottoms and an Ace top bushing, no washers. 8.25” board. I had a bad time on the 161’s early in the season, but these being smaller Thunders with a short wheelbase they skated the indoor bowl really nice. Nice n carvy, no wheelbite. Think I may keep skating these for awhile and see how it goes. I like Thunders, they’re a solid truck. That’s two brand replacements over Ace that I’m happy with now, no QC to worry about.

Did something similar today. Last week setup a Christmas deck from the homies and decided to toss my 148s w/ riptides on it. Got tired of the wheelbite, remembered that I have some spare Thunder Hard bushings, so I swapped the bottoms. Much better regarding wheel bite, but still need to wear in the hards to get them to turn a little better.

This will be as far as I go in terms of messing with bushings though. I don't want to get plagued with even more madness. That being said, I will always toss Riptides into whatever trucking I'm using. Made my Ventures turn soooo nice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on February 18, 2020, 02:57:49 AM
Quote from: rob on February 17, 2020, 09:59:15 PM
Have any of you guys gone through this??

So lately I’ve been riding my cruiser with indys and they’re on a welcome 8”

I’ve found that I ride 8’s preferably and I’ve also noticed I’ve gotten so use to the indys I prefer them now and or trucks like them(ace, Royal, mini logo) that have a shorter wheelbase

I tried riding my venture and thunders and they just didn’t do it for me, all on the same krooked deck 8.06

I like the lower center of gravity with the thunders but the shorter wheelbase of the Indy and ace give me more comfortable turning and easier pop

I use to swear by thunders but idk, had a rough time with them lately compared to the indys

Easily got my tre’s down with the indys and ace but the thunders just want to float longer

So basically, anyone go from the leader in control to ride the best?

How are the atg by the way? I’m too lazy to search and want some updated reviews
ATG are awesome, love them. Only downside for me regarding then is that the metal doesn't last that much. You get a groove in no time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on February 18, 2020, 06:01:19 AM
Quote from: moonordie on February 18, 2020, 02:57:49 AM
Quote from: rob on February 17, 2020, 09:59:15 PM
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Have any of you guys gone through this??

So lately I’ve been riding my cruiser with indys and they’re on a welcome 8”

I’ve found that I ride 8’s preferably and I’ve also noticed I’ve gotten so use to the indys I prefer them now and or trucks like them(ace, Royal, mini logo) that have a shorter wheelbase

I tried riding my venture and thunders and they just didn’t do it for me, all on the same krooked deck 8.06

I like the lower center of gravity with the thunders but the shorter wheelbase of the Indy and ace give me more comfortable turning and easier pop

I use to swear by thunders but idk, had a rough time with them lately compared to the indys

Easily got my tre’s down with the indys and ace but the thunders just want to float longer

So basically, anyone go from the leader in control to ride the best?

How are the atg by the way? I’m too lazy to search and want some updated reviews
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ATG are awesome, love them. Only downside for me regarding then is that the metal doesn't last that much. You get a groove in no time.

Had to swap out the bushings to some used bones as it's winter in Scotland and I can lose what few sessions I'm gonna get breaking them in.
8.25 equivalents skate like an ever so slightly lazier version of my Thunder 149 forged with a 1/8 riser. Grind nice, still get a little bite on 54 radial slims but nowhere near Thunder levels. Longer baseplate helps slides and not noticed too much difference in pop but I changed boards too. Getting used to the lack of kingpin clearance as I had Krux DLs in the thunders but might try swapping them out soon.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on February 18, 2020, 07:43:32 AM
Quote from: rob on February 17, 2020, 09:59:15 PM
Have any of you guys gone through this??

So lately I’ve been riding my cruiser with indys and they’re on a welcome 8”

I’ve found that I ride 8’s preferably and I’ve also noticed I’ve gotten so use to the indys I prefer them now and or trucks like them(ace, Royal, mini logo) that have a shorter wheelbase

I tried riding my venture and thunders and they just didn’t do it for me, all on the same krooked deck 8.06

I like the lower center of gravity with the thunders but the shorter wheelbase of the Indy and ace give me more comfortable turning and easier pop

I use to swear by thunders but idk, had a rough time with them lately compared to the indys

Easily got my tre’s down with the indys and ace but the thunders just want to float longer

So basically, anyone go from the leader in control to ride the best?

How are the atg by the way? I’m too lazy to search and want some updated reviews

I like Indy until I try to sit on a crooked grind and I get no pinch/lack of response for the pop out. For that, Thunder will always be my jam. Also I find the light/forged Thunder great for pretty much all flip tricks including 360 flips because they're lofty enough for the wheelbase to not ruin it for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 18, 2020, 12:27:30 PM
ATGs:

Mag lites are stupid light. They grind amazing and don't wear down as fast as people would have you believe. Yes, it will grind down faster than standard aluminum but mainly because you are grinding fucking everything :P Your will see gainz in your slappy game.

They feel like thunders but with more carve/less twitch, push out the WB like a Thunder. They are also taller than Thunders so less wheelbite. Normal baseplate so you won't be rubbing your wheels. They fit somewhere between a Thunder and an Indy. Really responsive trucks.

Stock top washer WILL bind, remove it or swap for a bones washer if you stay with stock bushings.

Stock bushings are 90a but feel harder; I swapped them for Bones mediums (no washers) and the turn is much better. Didn't notice the lack of the tensor top washer with the 'interlocking' design at all. Bones always snap back to center.

FWIW, I use the black bones bushings as I find them to be a tad bit softer than the white ones.

I just picked up a set of 8" ATG mags to drop down in size (Been riding 8.25" ATGs) (I was fighting trying to like Ventures but kept coming back to the ATGs; DM me if anyone is interested in some 5.6 Hollows, stock).

Did I mentioned how crazy light they are? How responsive?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on February 18, 2020, 12:47:07 PM
Quote from: rob on February 17, 2020, 09:59:15 PM
Have any of you guys gone through this??

So lately I’ve been riding my cruiser with indys and they’re on a welcome 8”

I’ve found that I ride 8’s preferably and I’ve also noticed I’ve gotten so use to the indys I prefer them now and or trucks like them(ace, Royal, mini logo) that have a shorter wheelbase

I tried riding my venture and thunders and they just didn’t do it for me, all on the same krooked deck 8.06

I like the lower center of gravity with the thunders but the shorter wheelbase of the Indy and ace give me more comfortable turning and easier pop

I use to swear by thunders but idk, had a rough time with them lately compared to the indys

Easily got my tre’s down with the indys and ace but the thunders just want to float longer

So basically, anyone go from the leader in control to ride the best?

How are the atg by the way? I’m too lazy to search and want some updated reviews

I went from years on Thunder's to Indy's like 4 years ago. It took a bit to get used to the Indy feel but I don't miss Thunder's. I broke Thunder kingpins like crazy, sometimes both in a week. Haven't broken anything on my Indy's.

Went from Thunder Hi 147s (Team Edition) to Indy Hollow 139s (Koston Stage 10.5). Are they even the same height?

Edit: I think the Thunder's are 50 mm and the Indy's are 53.5 mm in height. Can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on February 18, 2020, 06:15:25 PM
Quote from: baustin on February 18, 2020, 07:43:32 AM
Quote from: rob on February 17, 2020, 09:59:15 PM
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Have any of you guys gone through this??

So lately I’ve been riding my cruiser with indys and they’re on a welcome 8”

I’ve found that I ride 8’s preferably and I’ve also noticed I’ve gotten so use to the indys I prefer them now and or trucks like them(ace, Royal, mini logo) that have a shorter wheelbase

I tried riding my venture and thunders and they just didn’t do it for me, all on the same krooked deck 8.06

I like the lower center of gravity with the thunders but the shorter wheelbase of the Indy and ace give me more comfortable turning and easier pop

I use to swear by thunders but idk, had a rough time with them lately compared to the indys

Easily got my tre’s down with the indys and ace but the thunders just want to float longer

So basically, anyone go from the leader in control to ride the best?

How are the atg by the way? I’m too lazy to search and want some updated reviews
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I like Indy until I try to sit on a crooked grind and I get no pinch/lack of response for the pop out. For that, Thunder will always be my jam. Also I find the light/forged Thunder great for pretty much all flip tricks including 360 flips because they're lofty enough for the wheelbase to not ruin it for me.

Yeah, getting the same pinch experience with Indys, been flopping out of my crooks recently instead of having a sweet pull out.

Quote from: Xen on February 18, 2020, 12:27:30 PM
ATGs:

Mag lites are stupid light. They grind amazing and don't wear down as fast as people would have you believe. Yes, it will grind down faster than standard aluminum but mainly because you are grinding fucking everything :P Your will see gainz in your slappy game.

They feel like thunders but with more carve/less twitch, push out the WB like a Thunder. They are also taller than Thunders so less wheelbite. Normal baseplate so you won't be rubbing your wheels. They fit somewhere between a Thunder and an Indy. Really responsive trucks.

Stock top washer WILL bind, remove it or swap for a bones washer if you stay with stock bushings.

Stock bushings are 90a but feel harder; I swapped them for Bones mediums (no washers) and the turn is much better. Didn't notice the lack of the tensor top washer with the 'interlocking' design at all. Bones always snap back to center.

FWIW, I use the black bones bushings as I find them to be a tad bit softer than the white ones.

I just picked up a set of 8" ATG mags to drop down in size (Been riding 8.25" ATGs) (I was fighting trying to like Ventures but kept coming back to the ATGs; DM me if anyone is interested in some 5.6 Hollows, stock).

Did I mentioned how crazy light they are? How responsive?

I'm saving my Tensors for a 14.25WB deck I have on ice, hoping the slight bump in WB will hit that 17.3"-ish axle to axle I'm dreaming of.

I'll hit you up separately on the Ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: darkelfdruid on February 18, 2020, 06:29:34 PM
Quote from: Xen on February 18, 2020, 12:27:30 PM
ATGs:

Mag lites are stupid light. They grind amazing and don't wear down as fast as people would have you believe. Yes, it will grind down faster than standard aluminum but mainly because you are grinding fucking everything :P Your will see gainz in your slappy game.

They feel like thunders but with more carve/less twitch, push out the WB like a Thunder. They are also taller than Thunders so less wheelbite. Normal baseplate so you won't be rubbing your wheels. They fit somewhere between a Thunder and an Indy. Really responsive trucks.

Stock top washer WILL bind, remove it or swap for a bones washer if you stay with stock bushings.

Stock bushings are 90a but feel harder; I swapped them for Bones mediums (no washers) and the turn is much better. Didn't notice the lack of the tensor top washer with the 'interlocking' design at all. Bones always snap back to center.

FWIW, I use the black bones bushings as I find them to be a tad bit softer than the white ones.

I just picked up a set of 8" ATG mags to drop down in size (Been riding 8.25" ATGs) (I was fighting trying to like Ventures but kept coming back to the ATGs; DM me if anyone is interested in some 5.6 Hollows, stock).

Did I mentioned how crazy light they are? How responsive?
I stopped halfway through this and felt grateful
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on February 18, 2020, 07:16:45 PM
Quote from: darkelfdruid on February 18, 2020, 06:29:34 PM
Quote from: Xen on February 18, 2020, 12:27:30 PM
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ATGs:

Mag lites are stupid light. They grind amazing and don't wear down as fast as people would have you believe. Yes, it will grind down faster than standard aluminum but mainly because you are grinding fucking everything :P Your will see gainz in your slappy game.

They feel like thunders but with more carve/less twitch, push out the WB like a Thunder. They are also taller than Thunders so less wheelbite. Normal baseplate so you won't be rubbing your wheels. They fit somewhere between a Thunder and an Indy. Really responsive trucks.

Stock top washer WILL bind, remove it or swap for a bones washer if you stay with stock bushings.

Stock bushings are 90a but feel harder; I swapped them for Bones mediums (no washers) and the turn is much better. Didn't notice the lack of the tensor top washer with the 'interlocking' design at all. Bones always snap back to center.

FWIW, I use the black bones bushings as I find them to be a tad bit softer than the white ones.

I just picked up a set of 8" ATG mags to drop down in size (Been riding 8.25" ATGs) (I was fighting trying to like Ventures but kept coming back to the ATGs; DM me if anyone is interested in some 5.6 Hollows, stock).

Did I mentioned how crazy light they are? How responsive?
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I stopped halfway through this and felt grateful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00cr3g6wCG0
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on February 19, 2020, 08:08:09 AM
Cool cool, thanks for all the feedback guys

Then my investment in some atg was worth it

Right now I’m in between sticking to my:

Indy forged hollow(cause they’re light and I have them in 139)

Moving back into my snappy ace, either 03 or 44(can’t figure out if I like the lower center of gravity with sharp carvy turns or stable nimble quick deep turns)

Hoping these tensor atg are a breathe of fresh air

Or gonna just let it be and settle for the under dog of under dogs trucks from skate one, mini logos(they just work, they’re probably basically a low atg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 19, 2020, 10:14:12 AM
Quote from: rob on February 19, 2020, 08:08:09 AM
Cool cool, thanks for all the feedback guys

Then my investment in some atg was is worth it

tensor atg are a breathe of fresh air

mini logos(they just work, they’re probably basically a low atg Indy/Theeve/ACE)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on February 20, 2020, 02:20:03 AM
Quote from: Xen on February 19, 2020, 10:14:12 AM
Quote from: rob on February 19, 2020, 08:08:09 AM
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Cool cool, thanks for all the feedback guys

Then my investment in some atg was is worth it

tensor atg are a breathe of fresh air

mini logos(they just work, they’re probably basically a low atg Indy/Theeve/ACE)
[close]

Haha yeah my grammar skills suck like my skating

Sk8 or die
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 20, 2020, 09:02:38 AM
Quote from: rob on February 20, 2020, 02:20:03 AM
Quote from: Xen on February 19, 2020, 10:14:12 AM
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Quote from: rob on February 19, 2020, 08:08:09 AM
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Cool cool, thanks for all the feedback guys

Then my investment in some atg was is worth it

tensor atg are a breathe of fresh air

mini logos(they just work, they’re probably basically a low atg Indy/Theeve/ACE)
[close]
[close]

Haha yeah my grammar skills suck like my skating

Sk8 or die

You and me both ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 21, 2020, 07:57:58 AM
I just set up some 148 thunder titanium lights last night. Aside from the mag tensors, and those expensive TiH Theeve’s... these gotta be as light as it gets for a truck that isn’t too tiny. Can’t skate till the weekend but I have a feeling my madness will continue beyond Theeve and wanna stick with some ultra-light trucks like these.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on February 21, 2020, 08:21:06 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 21, 2020, 07:57:58 AM
I just set up some 148 thunder titanium lights last night. Aside from the mag tensors, and those expensive TiH Theeve’s... these gotta be as light as it gets for a truck that isn’t too tiny. Can’t skate till the weekend but I have a feeling my madness will continue beyond Theeve and wanna stick with some ultra-light trucks like these.

Love the 148 Titanium, I try to set them up every chance I get. Plus they only stretch WB by 3.15", roughly similar to a Tensor Maglight or cast plate Thunder.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 21, 2020, 09:00:59 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on February 21, 2020, 08:21:06 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 21, 2020, 07:57:58 AM
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I just set up some 148 thunder titanium lights last night. Aside from the mag tensors, and those expensive TiH Theeve’s... these gotta be as light as it gets for a truck that isn’t too tiny. Can’t skate till the weekend but I have a feeling my madness will continue beyond Theeve and wanna stick with some ultra-light trucks like these.
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Love the 148 Titanium, I try to set them up every chance I get. Plus they only stretch WB by 3.15", roughly similar to a Tensor Maglight or cast plate Thunder.

I find the WB stretch isn’t that bad as long as you’re on smaller boards, so 149’s and below. 151-161 and you’re on longer wheelbases and I find thunders aren’t good at all in terms of turning.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Saint Coke on February 22, 2020, 07:26:12 PM
So I want to progress but I'm wondering if my loose trucks are stopping me from progression. I am 250 pounds but I put on winter weight. I am 5'8 and have been skating for 5 years. Started out cruising and slowly got into tricks. I live in Iowa (I am COTD btw) This is my at home account. I want to be able to progress and be able to learn in skateboarding but I feel like a lot of my gear choices are holding me back. I have a brand new spring board that I'll be skating tomorrow with ventures. I want to try them with base tightness. I just want to see if I can skate like this. I often skate Spitfire Concials but I am wondering if that the reason I only skate them is for the looks and not the feel. I usually skate 99's but maybe I should skate 101's for the extra slide. I want to try different wheel shapes. I want to progress and grow with skating but feel limited due to the gear I use and my body. I am heavy, I am trying to loose weight but it's hard due to my hypothyroidism and being cooped up in winter. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on February 22, 2020, 09:34:14 PM
Quote from: Saint Coke on February 22, 2020, 07:26:12 PM
So I want to progress but I'm wondering if my loose trucks are stopping me from progression. I am 250 pounds but I put on winter weight. I am 5'8 and have been skating for 5 years. Started out cruising and slowly got into tricks. I live in Iowa (I am COTD btw) This is my at home account. I want to be able to progress and be able to learn in skateboarding but I feel like a lot of my gear choices are holding me back. I have a brand new spring board that I'll be skating tomorrow with ventures. I want to try them with base tightness. I just want to see if I can skate like this. I often skate Spitfire Concials but I am wondering if that the reason I only skate them is for the looks and not the feel. I usually skate 99's but maybe I should skate 101's for the extra slide. I want to try different wheel shapes. I want to progress and grow with skating but feel limited due to the gear I use and my body. I am heavy, I am trying to loose weight but it's hard due to my hypothyroidism and being cooped up in winter.
maybe lay off the brown coke and pick up the white coke
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TD on February 23, 2020, 05:23:03 AM
Quote from: off on February 22, 2020, 09:34:14 PM
Quote from: Saint Coke on February 22, 2020, 07:26:12 PM
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So I want to progress but I'm wondering if my loose trucks are stopping me from progression. I am 250 pounds but I put on winter weight. I am 5'8 and have been skating for 5 years. Started out cruising and slowly got into tricks. I live in Iowa (I am COTD btw) This is my at home account. I want to be able to progress and be able to learn in skateboarding but I feel like a lot of my gear choices are holding me back. I have a brand new spring board that I'll be skating tomorrow with ventures. I want to try them with base tightness. I just want to see if I can skate like this. I often skate Spitfire Concials but I am wondering if that the reason I only skate them is for the looks and not the feel. I usually skate 99's but maybe I should skate 101's for the extra slide. I want to try different wheel shapes. I want to progress and grow with skating but feel limited due to the gear I use and my body. I am heavy, I am trying to loose weight but it's hard due to my hypothyroidism and being cooped up in winter.
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maybe lay off the brown coke and pick up the white coke

another option is to just try tensors dude (will probably work best with white coke)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on February 23, 2020, 05:55:12 AM
Quote from: TD on February 23, 2020, 05:23:03 AM
Quote from: off on February 22, 2020, 09:34:14 PM
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Quote from: Saint Coke on February 22, 2020, 07:26:12 PM
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So I want to progress but I'm wondering if my loose trucks are stopping me from progression. I am 250 pounds but I put on winter weight. I am 5'8 and have been skating for 5 years. Started out cruising and slowly got into tricks. I live in Iowa (I am COTD btw) This is my at home account. I want to be able to progress and be able to learn in skateboarding but I feel like a lot of my gear choices are holding me back. I have a brand new spring board that I'll be skating tomorrow with ventures. I want to try them with base tightness. I just want to see if I can skate like this. I often skate Spitfire Concials but I am wondering if that the reason I only skate them is for the looks and not the feel. I usually skate 99's but maybe I should skate 101's for the extra slide. I want to try different wheel shapes. I want to progress and grow with skating but feel limited due to the gear I use and my body. I am heavy, I am trying to loose weight but it's hard due to my hypothyroidism and being cooped up in winter.
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maybe lay off the brown coke and pick up the white coke
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another option is to just try tensors dude (will probably work best with white coke)

Just develop an addiction to WB and skate gear like the rest of us, you won't have money for brown or white coke.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Saint Coke on February 23, 2020, 08:21:47 AM
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Quote from: Saint Coke on February 22, 2020, 07:26:12 PM
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So I want to progress but I'm wondering if my loose trucks are stopping me from progression. I am 250 pounds but I put on winter weight. I am 5'8 and have been skating for 5 years. Started out cruising and slowly got into tricks. I live in Iowa (I am COTD btw) This is my at home account. I want to be able to progress and be able to learn in skateboarding but I feel like a lot of my gear choices are holding me back. I have a brand new spring board that I'll be skating tomorrow with ventures. I want to try them with base tightness. I just want to see if I can skate like this. I often skate Spitfire Concials but I am wondering if that the reason I only skate them is for the looks and not the feel. I usually skate 99's but maybe I should skate 101's for the extra slide. I want to try different wheel shapes. I want to progress and grow with skating but feel limited due to the gear I use and my body. I am heavy, I am trying to loose weight but it's hard due to my hypothyroidism and being cooped up in winter.
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maybe lay off the brown coke and pick up the white coke
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another option is to just try tensors dude (will probably work best with white coke)
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Just develop an addition to WB and skate gear like the rest of us, you won't have money for brown or white coke.
I got the set up craze from Ben Degros, Finally trying a 14' WB on a 8.75 board. Wonder how it will feel. I got ventures which I heard was good for short wb. Gotta try new things.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on February 23, 2020, 08:37:13 AM
Quote from: Saint Coke on February 23, 2020, 08:21:47 AM
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Quote from: Saint Coke on February 22, 2020, 07:26:12 PM
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So I want to progress but I'm wondering if my loose trucks are stopping me from progression. I am 250 pounds but I put on winter weight. I am 5'8 and have been skating for 5 years. Started out cruising and slowly got into tricks. I live in Iowa (I am COTD btw) This is my at home account. I want to be able to progress and be able to learn in skateboarding but I feel like a lot of my gear choices are holding me back. I have a brand new spring board that I'll be skating tomorrow with ventures. I want to try them with base tightness. I just want to see if I can skate like this. I often skate Spitfire Concials but I am wondering if that the reason I only skate them is for the looks and not the feel. I usually skate 99's but maybe I should skate 101's for the extra slide. I want to try different wheel shapes. I want to progress and grow with skating but feel limited due to the gear I use and my body. I am heavy, I am trying to loose weight but it's hard due to my hypothyroidism and being cooped up in winter.
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maybe lay off the brown coke and pick up the white coke
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another option is to just try tensors dude (will probably work best with white coke)
[close]

Just develop an addition to WB and skate gear like the rest of us, you won't have money for brown or white coke.
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I got the set up craze from Ben Degros, Finally trying a 14' WB on a 8.75 board. Wonder how it will feel. I got ventures which I heard was good for short wb. Gotta try new things.

Where do you find a 8.75 with a 14 WB?! I thought it would be at least 14.25 with a 32 length
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Saint Coke on February 23, 2020, 09:47:59 AM
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So I want to progress but I'm wondering if my loose trucks are stopping me from progression. I am 250 pounds but I put on winter weight. I am 5'8 and have been skating for 5 years. Started out cruising and slowly got into tricks. I live in Iowa (I am COTD btw) This is my at home account. I want to be able to progress and be able to learn in skateboarding but I feel like a lot of my gear choices are holding me back. I have a brand new spring board that I'll be skating tomorrow with ventures. I want to try them with base tightness. I just want to see if I can skate like this. I often skate Spitfire Concials but I am wondering if that the reason I only skate them is for the looks and not the feel. I usually skate 99's but maybe I should skate 101's for the extra slide. I want to try different wheel shapes. I want to progress and grow with skating but feel limited due to the gear I use and my body. I am heavy, I am trying to loose weight but it's hard due to my hypothyroidism and being cooped up in winter.
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maybe lay off the brown coke and pick up the white coke
[close]

another option is to just try tensors dude (will probably work best with white coke)
[close]

Just develop an addition to WB and skate gear like the rest of us, you won't have money for brown or white coke.
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I got the set up craze from Ben Degros, Finally trying a 14' WB on a 8.75 board. Wonder how it will feel. I got ventures which I heard was good for short wb. Gotta try new things.
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Where do you find a 8.75 with a 14 WB?! I thought it would be at least 14.25 with a 32 length
Lance mountain crest board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 23, 2020, 02:16:01 PM
Chico big boy is same idea no? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chris. on February 23, 2020, 06:41:16 PM
Wade running a bones medium on the bottom on his Thunders.

(https://i.imgur.com/NfEHYvc_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Saint Coke on February 23, 2020, 06:42:38 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on February 23, 2020, 02:16:01 PM
Chico big boy is same idea no?
Possibly? I know Guy Mariano talks about how WB is more important than width. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMxY1vvoJ_g
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Saint Coke on February 23, 2020, 07:22:20 PM
What size aces is best for boards 8.5 through 9? 55's seem good and plan on skating AH boards.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on February 23, 2020, 07:28:39 PM
Quote from: chris. on February 23, 2020, 06:41:16 PM
Wade running a bones medium on the bottom on his Thunders.

(https://i.imgur.com/NfEHYvc_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=10804.msg3225019#msg3225019
Quote from: Fernandito on February 23, 2020, 10:40:59 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/fz4Wnu7.jpg)

5boro 8.125
Venture 5.2s
Spitfire 53mms
Reds
Mob grip
Ok wtf?
Is it something wonky with the pics? Or are both these setups running larger conical or barrel bushings on top (roadside)?
Also looks like a large cup washer on top. Might hit the hanger/yoke sooner and be like training wheels for loose trucks?


Those Crail 8.25's Guy is talking about have 14" wb
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 23, 2020, 10:44:08 PM
I always thought thunder bottoms were pretty big so bones wouldn't work...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on February 24, 2020, 09:54:01 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on February 23, 2020, 10:44:08 PM
I always thought thunder bottoms were pretty big so bones wouldn't work...

Bones bottoms are a close enough height if you use the washer.  Using it like the above without it is too short.  I'm considering using a Bones top on my 147s so I can get rid of the top washer.  With a washer, I can't get the rubber engaged in the nut without the trucks feeling waaay too tight - even with the 90a bushings.  I tried putting softer (84a Mini Logo and Ace) bushings in it and they blow off the washers.   If the Bones top doesn't work, I'm done with Thunder.  I have another setup with Mini Logo 8" that actually turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 24, 2020, 10:46:35 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on February 23, 2020, 10:44:08 PM
I always thought thunder bottoms were pretty big so bones wouldn't work...

People say it doesn't work, yet people do it with no issue..Dylan did it, these dudes are doing it - I've done it, not sure how much it throws off the truck but it works and seriously, a few weeks in, those stock thunder bottoms are squashed down anyways...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 24, 2020, 10:48:49 AM
Damn Bones bottoms are too short for thunders? I’ve been using hard Bones bottoms with great results thinking it’s been keeping stock height. I’ll put bottom bones washers in if that’s the case.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 24, 2020, 10:56:22 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 24, 2020, 10:48:49 AM
Damn Bones bottoms are too short for thunders? I’ve been using hard Bones bottoms with great results thinking it’s been keeping stock height. I’ll put bottom bones washers in if that’s the case.

You'd need 2 bones washers in order to reach stock thunder bottom bushing height...(including washer)

If you are currently having great results as is, why change? If it works, don't fix it.

A while back I ran 8" Thunder TIs with bones softs top and bottom, no washers, on an 8.25" and it worked like magic.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 24, 2020, 12:16:20 PM
I guess I just don’t wanna do any damage but I’m also running Ti’s so I suppose that pivot will be fine since the plates are forged.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Saint Coke on February 24, 2020, 03:08:31 PM
Update: I went skating today for an hour after work and like the combo I got at the moment. The ventures feel good but a little tight and I am experimenting with the washers and stuff. I learned to fs 180 down a curb so I am stoked.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lysdexia on February 24, 2020, 03:23:14 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 24, 2020, 12:16:20 PM
I guess I just don’t wanna do any damage but I’m also running Ti’s so I suppose that pivot will be fine since the plates are forged.

you won't do any damage, it'd just throw the geometry out a bit.

but if it's working for you, then the geo is fine.  just skate them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 24, 2020, 10:06:48 PM
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I guess I just don’t wanna do any damage but I’m also running Ti’s so I suppose that pivot will be fine since the plates are forged.
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you won't do any damage, it'd just throw the geometry out a bit.

but if it's working for you, then the geo is fine.  just skate them.

People run all sorts of trucks bushing combos that wonky...hell I can't even understand why any truck that ships with conical bottoms even has a bottom 'cupped' washer....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Smartass on February 25, 2020, 10:38:09 AM
Quote from: Saint Coke on February 24, 2020, 03:08:31 PM
Update: I went skating today for an hour after work and like the combo I got at the moment. The ventures feel good but a little tight and I am experimenting with the washers and stuff. I learned to fs 180 down a curb so I am stoked.

Aye good shit. 180's off stuff even curbs still get me a little nervous, but love 180's into banks.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on February 25, 2020, 12:37:58 PM
Quote from: Smartass on February 25, 2020, 10:38:09 AM
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Update: I went skating today for an hour after work and like the combo I got at the moment. The ventures feel good but a little tight and I am experimenting with the washers and stuff. I learned to fs 180 down a curb so I am stoked.
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Aye good shit. 180's off stuff even curbs still get me a little nervous, but love 180's into banks.

I would almost rather 180 off something than Ollie at this point. Couldn’t explain why but it might be because I won’t kick a 180 away as quickly
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Saint Coke on February 25, 2020, 03:06:19 PM
Quote from: Smartass on February 25, 2020, 10:38:09 AM
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Update: I went skating today for an hour after work and like the combo I got at the moment. The ventures feel good but a little tight and I am experimenting with the washers and stuff. I learned to fs 180 down a curb so I am stoked.
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Aye good shit. 180's off stuff even curbs still get me a little nervous, but love 180's into banks.

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Update: I went skating today for an hour after work and like the combo I got at the moment. The ventures feel good but a little tight and I am experimenting with the washers and stuff. I learned to fs 180 down a curb so I am stoked.
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Aye good shit. 180's off stuff even curbs still get me a little nervous, but love 180's into banks.
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I would almost rather 180 off something than Ollie at this point. Couldn’t explain why but it might be because I won’t kick a 180 away as quickly


Yeah I first did it when messing around and realized that I could do it. When I first did it, I felt a weird motion and felt like I could do it. Welp, I did and I was so stoked. Fs anything is rad. I like seeing fs flips. Maybe one day that'll be me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 27, 2020, 07:18:58 AM
Quote from: Xen on February 24, 2020, 10:06:48 PM
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I guess I just don’t wanna do any damage but I’m also running Ti’s so I suppose that pivot will be fine since the plates are forged.
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you won't do any damage, it'd just throw the geometry out a bit.

but if it's working for you, then the geo is fine.  just skate them.
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People run all sorts of trucks bushing combos that wonky...hell I can't even understand why any truck that ships with conical bottoms even has a bottom 'cupped' washer....

I tested it out in a level surface and stock thunder bottoms with the stock cup washer is equal to a bottom bones with a bones washer underneath. Two bones washers made them a hair too tall.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 27, 2020, 11:42:37 AM
New stocks thunders and bones or have they both been ridden/compressed somewhat?

Just kidding, I don't care :P
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tyshoes on February 27, 2020, 12:08:05 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on February 25, 2020, 12:37:58 PM
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Update: I went skating today for an hour after work and like the combo I got at the moment. The ventures feel good but a little tight and I am experimenting with the washers and stuff. I learned to fs 180 down a curb so I am stoked.
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Aye good shit. 180's off stuff even curbs still get me a little nervous, but love 180's into banks.
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I would almost rather 180 off something than Ollie at this point. Couldn’t explain why but it might be because I won’t kick a 180 away as quickly

fs 180s is like a natural all in one motion thing. 5050s with a 180 out is a great feeling trick and your next goal :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on February 27, 2020, 12:15:08 PM
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/mob-skateboards-upper-flatwasher-silver-2er-pack_p114363?cPath=46 (https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/mob-skateboards-upper-flatwasher-silver-2er-pack_p114363?cPath=46)
 I swear by these washers. top and bottom + barrell bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 27, 2020, 01:23:00 PM
I tried to find ones like those at the hardware store and the center hole was a little too wide for my liking and they would shift around above or underneath the bushing too much. Are those a nice proper fit?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on February 27, 2020, 02:48:53 PM
$40 ATG Mag Light 5.5's at TGM

https://tgmskateboards.com/tensor-trucks-5-5-mag-light-neon-yellow-black-8-25-axle/

God awful color and only 1 in stock, but hey they're cheap and the shipping is free.


Btw I saw some people mention bigger boards with 14" wb - the ScumCo logo decks from Pennswood come in 8.75" with a 14" wb. Doesn't look he has any in-stock on the site but you could email him and ask. I've got an 8.75", it's way too big for me but it was black and yellow so I bought it... use it as a cruiser sometimes and it's like driving a cadillac body on a honda frame or something. Feels kind of weird but not in an unpleasant way.

Edit: Found one

https://day-after-day-supply.myshopify.com/products/scum-co-8-75-logo

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on February 27, 2020, 05:23:54 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on February 27, 2020, 02:48:53 PM
$40 ATG Mag Light 5.5's at TGM

https://tgmskateboards.com/tensor-trucks-5-5-mag-light-neon-yellow-black-8-25-axle/

God awful color and only 1 in stock, but hey they're cheap and the shipping is free.


Btw I saw some people mention bigger boards with 14" wb - the ScumCo logo decks from Pennswood come in 8.75" with a 14" wb. Doesn't look he has any in-stock on the site but you could email him and ask. I've got an 8.75", it's way too big for me but it was black and yellow so I bought it... use it as a cruiser sometimes and it's like driving a cadillac body on a honda frame or something. Feels kind of weird but not in an unpleasant way.

Edit: Found one

https://day-after-day-supply.myshopify.com/products/scum-co-8-75-logo

Good looking out man, the colorway is a crime against humanity but I would have grabbed it if i lived stateside.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on February 27, 2020, 05:59:35 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on February 27, 2020, 12:15:08 PM
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/mob-skateboards-upper-flatwasher-silver-2er-pack_p114363?cPath=46 (https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/mob-skateboards-upper-flatwasher-silver-2er-pack_p114363?cPath=46)
 I swear by these washers. top and bottom + barrell bushings.
Interesting. At 0.75" od that looks like a regular washer.
The thickness of washers has a large-ish range since the tolerances aren't tight.
Washers can also be bent when new. Or the two faces might not be parallel to each other.

https://www.mcmaster.com/shims select ring shims, then 3/8" id..
Shims have tighter tolerances so they will both be the same thickness.
They're typically ground flat, both sides parallel.
I think Bones uses a ring shim but I'm not sure..
Is the od on the Bones washer 5/8"?
Could someone with calipers measure the thickness?
Thanks. I like geeking on this stuff..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on February 27, 2020, 07:14:17 PM
Quote from: satan on February 27, 2020, 05:59:35 PM

Is the od on the Bones washer 5/8"?
Could someone with calipers measure the thickness?
Thanks. I like geeking on this stuff..

OD is 3/4"
Thickness is 3/64"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 27, 2020, 07:57:48 PM
Hit up deluxe again. I hope this warranty is honored.

In so fucking stresses. I don't want to use the aces yet. They are going on a board that has a shape.

I can't use the thunders 8.5 teams. They have usa base plates and are extra low. Too low for a 55mm spit.

I just want this resolved by end of the month. I hate tapping my truck bolts on shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on February 28, 2020, 11:56:55 AM
Dork question here. I don’t bomb hills really but I been skating this incline and it’s 2 sections like incline flat incline. By the time I’m at the bottom speed wobbles start to get rough. 

Do you guys use harder bushings to be stable and prevent speed wobbles or would softer be better to absorb the vibrations?

Long story short how do I set a truck up to prevent speed wobbles.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on February 28, 2020, 12:10:31 PM
Quote from: Murge on February 28, 2020, 11:56:55 AM
Dork question here. I don’t bomb hills really but I been skating this incline and it’s 2 sections like incline flat incline. By the time I’m at the bottom speed wobbles start to get rough. 

Do you guys use harder bushings to be stable and prevent speed wobbles or would softer be better to absorb the vibrations?

Long story short how do I set a truck up to prevent speed wobbles.

If your trucks are tighter speed wobbles will be less likely, Guys who skate vert/mega ramp generally run super tight trucks I believe. I would try to learn to powerslide to control your speed if possible though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on February 28, 2020, 01:35:52 PM
Quote from: Murge on February 28, 2020, 11:56:55 AM
Dork question here. I don’t bomb hills really but I been skating this incline and it’s 2 sections like incline flat incline. By the time I’m at the bottom speed wobbles start to get rough. 

Do you guys use harder bushings to be stable and prevent speed wobbles or would softer be better to absorb the vibrations?

Harder bushings for sure. You can crank down all you want, and it will work, but this is why harder duro bushings exist. I always keep my nuts flush with the kingpin, if I want it looser or tighter, I swap bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on February 28, 2020, 02:08:32 PM
Quote from: Firebert on February 28, 2020, 01:35:52 PM
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Dork question here. I don’t bomb hills really but I been skating this incline and it’s 2 sections like incline flat incline. By the time I’m at the bottom speed wobbles start to get rough. 

Do you guys use harder bushings to be stable and prevent speed wobbles or would softer be better to absorb the vibrations?
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Harder bushings for sure. You can crank down all you want, and it will work, but this is why harder duro bushings exist. I always keep my nuts flush with the kingpin, if I want it looser or tighter, I swap bushings.

Secret to a happy life.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on February 28, 2020, 03:29:05 PM
Quote from: Paperclip20 on February 28, 2020, 12:10:31 PM
Quote from: Murge on February 28, 2020, 11:56:55 AM
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Dork question here. I don’t bomb hills really but I been skating this incline and it’s 2 sections like incline flat incline. By the time I’m at the bottom speed wobbles start to get rough. 

Do you guys use harder bushings to be stable and prevent speed wobbles or would softer be better to absorb the vibrations?

Long story short how do I set a truck up to prevent speed wobbles.
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If your trucks are tighter speed wobbles will be less likely, Guys who skate vert/mega ramp generally run super tight trucks I believe. I would try to learn to powerslide to control your speed if possible though

Mega ramp boards straight up don't turn, by design. They use 215s and the hardest bushings they can find, and then crank the fuckers down until they're rock hard. I forget where I heard it but someone compared it to being on a sled with runners more than a skateboard. Makes sense considering you're going more or less in a straight line and a wobble could literally kill you.

But yeah, for bombing hills I usually crank them down a little and I'm always a little more hesitant if I'm riding a higher truck. I looooove Mini Logos on hills, the combination of the low truck and it being a little wider than the 8.25 I'm usually riding makes it feel super stable. My ideal setup is ML trucks, 54mm+ conicals, good bearings, and a nice thick hoody just in case. Definitely helps to bend your knees and keep your weight centered too, I think Gerwer or someone said that the best thing to do if you start to wobble is just go dead weight like a sandbag so I've always got that in the back of my head when I'm on a hill. Be mindful of things like the road surface transitioning since that can either speed you up or slow you down and throw your balance off, and obviously just pray you don't hit a rock or hit a loose piece of pavement. And when you inevitably do and get pitched, try to resist the urge to put your hands out to break the fall, take the impact on something with a lot of meat and surface area like the back of your shoulder or ass, and try to roll through it. Then limp the 100 yards down the road to where your board finally hit the curb, and either hike back up and conquer it or lick your wounds and head home if you've had enough.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: secondhandstoke on February 28, 2020, 08:21:40 PM
Caliber 44's and Venom bushings all day
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on February 28, 2020, 09:29:13 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on February 28, 2020, 03:29:05 PM
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Quote from: Murge on February 28, 2020, 11:56:55 AM
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Dork question here. I don’t bomb hills really but I been skating this incline and it’s 2 sections like incline flat incline. By the time I’m at the bottom speed wobbles start to get rough. 

Do you guys use harder bushings to be stable and prevent speed wobbles or would softer be better to absorb the vibrations?

Long story short how do I set a truck up to prevent speed wobbles.
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If your trucks are tighter speed wobbles will be less likely, Guys who skate vert/mega ramp generally run super tight trucks I believe. I would try to learn to powerslide to control your speed if possible though
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Mega ramp boards straight up don't turn, by design. They use 215s and the hardest bushings they can find, and then crank the fuckers down until they're rock hard. I forget where I heard it but someone compared it to being on a sled with runners more than a skateboard. Makes sense considering you're going more or less in a straight line and a wobble could literally kill you.

But yeah, for bombing hills I usually crank them down a little and I'm always a little more hesitant if I'm riding a higher truck. I looooove Mini Logos on hills, the combination of the low truck and it being a little wider than the 8.25 I'm usually riding makes it feel super stable. My ideal setup is ML trucks, 54mm+ conicals, good bearings, and a nice thick hoody just in case. Definitely helps to bend your knees and keep your weight centered too, I think Gerwer or someone said that the best thing to do if you start to wobble is just go dead weight like a sandbag so I've always got that in the back of my head when I'm on a hill. Be mindful of things like the road surface transitioning since that can either speed you up or slow you down and throw your balance off, and obviously just pray you don't hit a rock or hit a loose piece of pavement. And when you inevitably do and get pitched, try to resist the urge to put your hands out to break the fall, take the impact on something with a lot of meat and surface area like the back of your shoulder or ass, and try to roll through it. Then limp the 100 yards down the road to where your board finally hit the curb, and either hike back up and conquer it or lick your wounds and head home if you've had enough.
54s on that low of a truck? hope theres nothing in your way going down that hill
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on February 29, 2020, 02:48:34 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on February 28, 2020, 03:29:05 PM
Quote from: Paperclip20 on February 28, 2020, 12:10:31 PM
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Dork question here. I don’t bomb hills really but I been skating this incline and it’s 2 sections like incline flat incline. By the time I’m at the bottom speed wobbles start to get rough. 

Do you guys use harder bushings to be stable and prevent speed wobbles or would softer be better to absorb the vibrations?

Long story short how do I set a truck up to prevent speed wobbles.
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If your trucks are tighter speed wobbles will be less likely, Guys who skate vert/mega ramp generally run super tight trucks I believe. I would try to learn to powerslide to control your speed if possible though
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Mega ramp boards straight up don't turn, by design. They use 215s and the hardest bushings they can find, and then crank the fuckers down until they're rock hard. I forget where I heard it but someone compared it to being on a sled with runners more than a skateboard. Makes sense considering you're going more or less in a straight line and a wobble could literally kill you.

But yeah, for bombing hills I usually crank them down a little and I'm always a little more hesitant if I'm riding a higher truck. I looooove Mini Logos on hills, the combination of the low truck and it being a little wider than the 8.25 I'm usually riding makes it feel super stable. My ideal setup is ML trucks, 54mm+ conicals, good bearings, and a nice thick hoody just in case. Definitely helps to bend your knees and keep your weight centered too, I think Gerwer or someone said that the best thing to do if you start to wobble is just go dead weight like a sandbag so I've always got that in the back of my head when I'm on a hill. Be mindful of things like the road surface transitioning since that can either speed you up or slow you down and throw your balance off, and obviously just pray you don't hit a rock or hit a loose piece of pavement. And when you inevitably do and get pitched, try to resist the urge to put your hands out to break the fall, take the impact on something with a lot of meat and surface area like the back of your shoulder or ass, and try to roll through it. Then limp the 100 yards down the road to where your board finally hit the curb, and either hike back up and conquer it or lick your wounds and head home if you've had enough.

last time i got pitched on a hill bomb was exactly that, wasn't a huge hill by any means maybe enough to get you to 20/25mph or something. very shitty floor slabs that were uneven, went into it way too quick beyond the point of no return and started seeing every crack on the floor and thinking "if i hit one of these im getting fucking dusted" - somehow made it through the bullshit labyrinth of awful floor and made it out thinking "wow how the fuck did i make it through that". not two seconds later i make the transition from shitty slabs to rough asphalt, the slight shift nudged me forwards a little and the weight of all the shit in my bag (water/camera gear/old deck strapped on) shifted forwards too and got dusted. my main concern was the brand new National board that just shot into the road so i ran after it, picked it up and got off the road and then realized i was bleeding out of my knee, elbow, shoulder and hip.

good times.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dakara on February 29, 2020, 05:56:58 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on February 29, 2020, 02:48:34 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on February 28, 2020, 03:29:05 PM
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Quote from: Paperclip20 on February 28, 2020, 12:10:31 PM
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Quote from: Murge on February 28, 2020, 11:56:55 AM
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Dork question here. I don’t bomb hills really but I been skating this incline and it’s 2 sections like incline flat incline. By the time I’m at the bottom speed wobbles start to get rough. 

Do you guys use harder bushings to be stable and prevent speed wobbles or would softer be better to absorb the vibrations?

Long story short how do I set a truck up to prevent speed wobbles.
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If your trucks are tighter speed wobbles will be less likely, Guys who skate vert/mega ramp generally run super tight trucks I believe. I would try to learn to powerslide to control your speed if possible though
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Mega ramp boards straight up don't turn, by design. They use 215s and the hardest bushings they can find, and then crank the fuckers down until they're rock hard. I forget where I heard it but someone compared it to being on a sled with runners more than a skateboard. Makes sense considering you're going more or less in a straight line and a wobble could literally kill you.

But yeah, for bombing hills I usually crank them down a little and I'm always a little more hesitant if I'm riding a higher truck. I looooove Mini Logos on hills, the combination of the low truck and it being a little wider than the 8.25 I'm usually riding makes it feel super stable. My ideal setup is ML trucks, 54mm+ conicals, good bearings, and a nice thick hoody just in case. Definitely helps to bend your knees and keep your weight centered too, I think Gerwer or someone said that the best thing to do if you start to wobble is just go dead weight like a sandbag so I've always got that in the back of my head when I'm on a hill. Be mindful of things like the road surface transitioning since that can either speed you up or slow you down and throw your balance off, and obviously just pray you don't hit a rock or hit a loose piece of pavement. And when you inevitably do and get pitched, try to resist the urge to put your hands out to break the fall, take the impact on something with a lot of meat and surface area like the back of your shoulder or ass, and try to roll through it. Then limp the 100 yards down the road to where your board finally hit the curb, and either hike back up and conquer it or lick your wounds and head home if you've had enough.
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last time i got pitched on a hill bomb was exactly that, wasn't a huge hill by any means maybe enough to get you to 20/25mph or something. very shitty floor slabs that were uneven, went into it way too quick beyond the point of no return and started seeing every crack on the floor and thinking "if i hit one of these im getting fucking dusted" - somehow made it through the bullshit labyrinth of awful floor and made it out thinking "wow how the fuck did i make it through that". not two seconds later i make the transition from shitty slabs to rough asphalt, the slight shift nudged me forwards a little and the weight of all the shit in my bag (water/camera gear/old deck strapped on) shifted forwards too and got dusted. my main concern was the brand new National board that just shot into the road so i ran after it, picked it up and got off the road and then realized i was bleeding out of my knee, elbow, shoulder and hip.

good times.

One hasn’t truly lived till they experience the “point of no return” feeling when bombing a hill.

Ideal bombing setup is wider trucks than board. Too much leverage if you’re square or under, slightest twitch and you’re in fucksville
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 29, 2020, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: Murge on February 28, 2020, 11:56:55 AM
Dork question here. I don’t bomb hills really but I been skating this incline and it’s 2 sections like incline flat incline. By the time I’m at the bottom speed wobbles start to get rough. 

Do you guys use harder bushings to be stable and prevent speed wobbles or would softer be better to absorb the vibrations?

Long story short how do I set a truck up to prevent speed wobbles.

get heavy low and have a wide stance.

My board is loose and I prefer magic carpet than wide and tight.
A tight truck wobble is harder to get out of I feel.

The tighter your trucks the harder you got to press down to stop wobble patterns from taking you out.

Low heavy wide.

Hills are my shit for since the 1880s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 29, 2020, 05:47:32 PM
Man up and buy a drop board.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 29, 2020, 06:01:22 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on February 28, 2020, 02:08:32 PM
Quote from: Firebert on February 28, 2020, 01:35:52 PM
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Quote from: Murge on February 28, 2020, 11:56:55 AM
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Dork question here. I don’t bomb hills really but I been skating this incline and it’s 2 sections like incline flat incline. By the time I’m at the bottom speed wobbles start to get rough. 

Do you guys use harder bushings to be stable and prevent speed wobbles or would softer be better to absorb the vibrations?
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Harder bushings for sure. You can crank down all you want, and it will work, but this is why harder duro bushings exist. I always keep my nuts flush with the kingpin, if I want it looser or tighter, I swap bushings.
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Secret to a happy life.

This.

Still boggles my mind people that crank down soft bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on March 01, 2020, 12:25:14 AM
Do you guys know any way to tell the difference between V2 and V3 theeves? My buddy has a set he's been skating for a while and now he's curious which version it is since I brought it up. I assumed they were V2s since they're pretty old but he realized he bought them right around when V3's dropped so I dunno myself. So anything visually distinct between the revisions?

Also swapping bushings is key, keeps you from cranking them down and blowing them out unnecessarily.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tuesday on March 01, 2020, 08:22:49 AM
If your buddy has the TiKing one (the?) difference between V2 and V3 is that the hollow kingping in the V3 TiKings is no longer Titanium, but steel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on March 01, 2020, 09:57:36 AM
Quote from: tuesday on March 01, 2020, 08:22:49 AM
If your buddy has the TiKing one (the?) difference between V2 and V3 is that the hollow kingping in the V3 TiKings is no longer Titanium, but steel.

Damn, they're Tiax, that would've made things easy. Thanks for the info regardless though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ol Nick on March 03, 2020, 12:51:20 PM
Can painted trucks/flaws in the paint be a significant cause of pivot issues? I’ve got a pair of Thunder 151 Teams with black powder coated hangers. Last pair of non-raw trucks I owned were Trackers on my first board about thirty years ago so I have pretty limited experience with how they may break-in differently than raw/polished.

When I first set these up, the hangers were super stiff in the pivots. Ridiculously creaky, occasionally with a pronounced “click” when tilting past center-point. First, just to make sure it was the pivot, I swapped out the stock glow-in-the-dark bushings (I know. I got these bad boys on clearance) for some stock thunders off a pair of 149s, then Bones mediums, and then, most recently, some Thunder blue 95 bushings from a truck rebuild kit. The issues persist regardless of the bushings. Wax shavings or speed cream in the pivot cups helps for about ten min but they still feel a little jittery as they lean and then the squawk comes back fully.

I swapped the stock pivot cups with Thunder replacements from one of the truck rebuild kits and there is no difference ultimately. Before I get into non-Thunder pivot cup replacements, I’m curious if anyone has thoughts on what’s going on with the powder coating on the pivots and if they’re just going to perpetuate the issue regardless of what pivot cup bushing is in there: (These are two sides of one hanger pivot)

(https://i.imgur.com/cIqge89.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0JR1aWq.jpg)

The wear on the end of the pivot began first, the stuff on the sides has developed more recently. It’s apparent to me that the cups are being compressed enough to allow metal to metal contact on hard turns; the lip of the pivot cup bushings are flush with the baseplate.

Should I try to strip the paint from the pivot of the hanger to see if just smoothing out that surface helps? Will a harder pivot cup bushing solve some of this perhaps? (I’m like 210ish lbs so I know I’m part of the problem.)

For reference, my best-feeling truck setup right now is a pair of polished Thunder 149s with stock pivot cups, Thunder 100a hard black bushings w/ stock washers. Kingpin nuts are usually flush on back and a little looser than flush on fronts.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on March 03, 2020, 01:09:54 PM
Quote from: Ol Nick on March 03, 2020, 12:51:20 PM
Can painted trucks/flaws in the paint be a significant cause of pivot issues?
I would think it could. I have some pairs of 144 Indy's that have slimmer pivots, almost like there wasn't enough metal to fill the cast, so the pivot rattles inside the cup - either that or the baseplate pivot hole was too big.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sadnocomply on March 03, 2020, 02:17:53 PM
I think that’s just a normal flaw on mass production of trucks^ I also have some venture trucks that squawk on the lean and I switched baseplates with another venture and immediate fix, turns out upon inspection, one of my baseplate pivot holes was way bigger than the other causing it to slip & not hold a pivot cup properly & fucking my turn and lean.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on March 03, 2020, 04:23:02 PM
I started skating a new set of Thunder 149s yesterday. I've always skated stock Thunder bushings and generally got used to them pretty quick but yesterday was pretty miserable. I had my nut on barely tighter than a finger twist  but they were still too tight. I swapped the bushings with some of the soft Bones bushings I had in my cruiser and the result was a little more squirrelly than I'm used to but I kinda liked it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 03, 2020, 05:20:15 PM
Anyone tried making frankenstein Venture trucks?

I have a pair of Venture 5.6 V-Hollow but would like to shift the WB by only 3.25" instead of the usual 3.4-3.5". Been eyeing a pair of Venture 5.0 Lo to swap out the baseplate.

Is truck height determined by baseplate or hanger height? Seems like all baseplates from that brand are universal.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dakara on March 04, 2020, 01:57:02 AM
I’m trying to improve stability on my extremely squirrelly setup without losing too much turn. As it stands it feels like I’m standing on a tightrope when setting up for tricks.  I have an 8 inch deck on Indy stage 9 129samd keep them loose enough to were I can make a fairly tight 90degree turn Around a corner when skating in the city. Normally I would just buy 8.25 trucks, but I cant afford that at the moment. I was thinking about going with some Indy hard bushings or medium hards. How much of a difference are the medium hards than stock? I only weigh 110lbs so am hesitant to go with hards. Any other setup tricks to get more stability without compromising turn too much like with washers and hard/soft bushing combos etc?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on March 04, 2020, 02:53:42 AM
Quote from: dakara on March 04, 2020, 01:57:02 AM
I’m trying to improve stability on my extremely squirrelly setup without losing too much turn. As it stands it feels like I’m standing on a tightrope when setting up for tricks.  I have an 8 inch deck on Indy stage 9 129samd keep them loose enough to were I can make a fairly tight 90degree turn Around a corner when skating in the city. Normally I would just buy 8.25 trucks, but I cant afford that at the moment. I was thinking about going with some Indy hard bushings or medium hards. How much of a difference are the medium hards than stock? I only weigh 110lbs so am hesitant to go with hards. Any other setup tricks to get more stability without compromising turn too much like with washers and hard/soft bushing combos etc?
For how long you've been skating?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dakara on March 04, 2020, 05:06:04 AM
Quote from: moonordie on March 04, 2020, 02:53:42 AM
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I’m trying to improve stability on my extremely squirrelly setup without losing too much turn. As it stands it feels like I’m standing on a tightrope when setting up for tricks.  I have an 8 inch deck on Indy stage 9 129samd keep them loose enough to were I can make a fairly tight 90degree turn Around a corner when skating in the city. Normally I would just buy 8.25 trucks, but I cant afford that at the moment. I was thinking about going with some Indy hard bushings or medium hards. How much of a difference are the medium hards than stock? I only weigh 110lbs so am hesitant to go with hards. Any other setup tricks to get more stability without compromising turn too much like with washers and hard/soft bushing combos etc?
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For how long you've been skating?

I skated quite heavily from 12-17, then less till I was 20. Started back up about 8 months ago at 27. I have all the basics back down, up to sketchy tre flips.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on March 04, 2020, 05:55:09 AM
Indy black bushings without top washer in my venture 5.8's feel so good. Before with stock venture bushings I hated the way it turned an constantly had to keep battling with the turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 04, 2020, 06:35:59 AM
Quote from: dakara on March 04, 2020, 01:57:02 AM
I’m trying to improve stability on my extremely squirrelly setup without losing too much turn. As it stands it feels like I’m standing on a tightrope when setting up for tricks.  I have an 8 inch deck on Indy stage 9 129samd keep them loose enough to were I can make a fairly tight 90degree turn Around a corner when skating in the city. Normally I would just buy 8.25 trucks, but I cant afford that at the moment. I was thinking about going with some Indy hard bushings or medium hards. How much of a difference are the medium hards than stock? I only weigh 110lbs so am hesitant to go with hards. Any other setup tricks to get more stability without compromising turn too much like with washers and hard/soft bushing combos etc?

What are the dimensions on the board you are riding? I find Indys on a shorter deck can make the board turn very sharply and be too light on the pop. Going the other extreme with Venture Hollow Light trucks will make the board turn more gradually but you will struggle to get pop on a shorter board since the tail gets shortened.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on March 04, 2020, 08:11:52 AM
Quote from: dakara on March 04, 2020, 01:57:02 AM
I’m trying to improve stability on my extremely squirrelly setup without losing too much turn. As it stands it feels like I’m standing on a tightrope when setting up for tricks.  I have an 8 inch deck on Indy stage 9 129samd keep them loose enough to were I can make a fairly tight 90degree turn Around a corner when skating in the city. Normally I would just buy 8.25 trucks, but I cant afford that at the moment. I was thinking about going with some Indy hard bushings or medium hards. How much of a difference are the medium hards than stock? I only weigh 110lbs so am hesitant to go with hards. Any other setup tricks to get more stability without compromising turn too much like with washers and hard/soft bushing combos etc?
Stage 9 duralites have conical bottom bushings, right?
A cylinder/barrel bushing should be a lil more stable on center, but not dive into turns as quickly.
I'd suggest trying orange (90a?) Indy or Thunder/Deluxe cylinders.
I feel like trucks even with board width is more stable if you're talking about actually lifting wheels off the ground.
Trucks wider than my board bugs me tho.
You link up with any other jdm guys? With the way some ppl here change up their gear you guys might be able to just trade stuff.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 04, 2020, 08:15:44 AM
Quote from: satan on March 04, 2020, 08:11:52 AM
Quote from: dakara on March 04, 2020, 01:57:02 AM
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I’m trying to improve stability on my extremely squirrelly setup without losing too much turn. As it stands it feels like I’m standing on a tightrope when setting up for tricks.  I have an 8 inch deck on Indy stage 9 129samd keep them loose enough to were I can make a fairly tight 90degree turn Around a corner when skating in the city. Normally I would just buy 8.25 trucks, but I cant afford that at the moment. I was thinking about going with some Indy hard bushings or medium hards. How much of a difference are the medium hards than stock? I only weigh 110lbs so am hesitant to go with hards. Any other setup tricks to get more stability without compromising turn too much like with washers and hard/soft bushing combos etc?
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Stage 9 duralites have conical bottom bushings, right?
A cylinder/barrel bushing should be a lil more stable on center, but not dive into turns as quickly.
I'd suggest trying orange (90a?) Indy or Thunder/Deluxe cylinders.
I feel like trucks even with board width is more stable if you're talking about actually lifting wheels off the ground.
Trucks wider than my board bugs me tho.
You link up with any other jdm guys? With the way some ppl here change up their gear you guys might be able to just trade stuff.

Best advice for sure. When I swapped to bones bushing in my Ventures (from the dual duro ace combo) I felt like I was on a tightrope as well, as if I was constantly trying to balance on a flat bar; there is a lot to be tweaked based on truck width, how loose you rise and what you are doing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dakara on March 04, 2020, 02:33:36 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 04, 2020, 06:35:59 AM
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What are the dimensions on the board you are riding? I find Indys on a shorter deck can make the board turn very sharply and be too light on the pop. Going the other extreme with Venture Hollow Light trucks will make the board turn more gradually but you will struggle to get pop on a shorter board since the tail gets shortened.

It is short, 8x31.25x13.75 wheelbase. It’s a Japanese shop blank, when I asked the dude at the shop why they are so short( I Measured weeks after buying) he said that it was because Japanese skaters are generally shorter. Extremely short wheelbase when paired with indies, never thought about it but makes sense it’s twitchy with turn, same with cars. It does indeed pop like shit too and I get into that on the wb thread, but I tried using the nose as the tail a few days ago and that somewhat rectified that problem. Def wanna go with a whole new setup soon though but money is really tight and gear is expensive here so for the time being I’m working with what I’ve got.

Quote from: satan on March 04, 2020, 08:11:52 AM
Quote from: dakara on March 04, 2020, 01:57:02 AM
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I’m trying to improve stability on my extremely squirrelly setup without losing too much turn. As it stands it feels like I’m standing on a tightrope when setting up for tricks.  I have an 8 inch deck on Indy stage 9 129samd keep them loose enough to were I can make a fairly tight 90degree turn Around a corner when skating in the city. Normally I would just buy 8.25 trucks, but I cant afford that at the moment. I was thinking about going with some Indy hard bushings or medium hards. How much of a difference are the medium hards than stock? I only weigh 110lbs so am hesitant to go with hards. Any other setup tricks to get more stability without compromising turn too much like with washers and hard/soft bushing combos etc?
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Stage 9 duralites have conical bottom bushings, right?
A cylinder/barrel bushing should be a lil more stable on center, but not dive into turns as quickly.
I'd suggest trying orange (90a?) Indy or Thunder/Deluxe cylinders.
I feel like trucks even with board width is more stable if you're talking about actually lifting wheels off the ground.
Trucks wider than my board bugs me tho.
You link up with any other jdm guys? With the way some ppl here change up their gear you guys might be able to just trade stuff.

Yes they are dual conical. Hmm I think I’m going to try that.

 I don’t hang out with many skate dudes, just people that practice flat ground at the local non skate park if I happen to be there at the same time as them we chat a little and session the diy curb there and they don’t seem to be gearheads, so idk if trading is an option.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jimgrude on March 04, 2020, 07:06:12 PM
Quote from: dakara on March 04, 2020, 01:57:02 AM
I’m trying to improve stability on my extremely squirrelly setup without losing too much turn. As it stands it feels like I’m standing on a tightrope when setting up for tricks.  I have an 8 inch deck on Indy stage 9 129samd keep them loose enough to were I can make a fairly tight 90degree turn Around a corner when skating in the city. Normally I would just buy 8.25 trucks, but I cant afford that at the moment. I was thinking about going with some Indy hard bushings or medium hards. How much of a difference are the medium hards than stock? I only weigh 110lbs so am hesitant to go with hards. Any other setup tricks to get more stability without compromising turn too much like with washers and hard/soft bushing combos etc?
I like harder bushings on loose trucks for improved stability. I'm currently using 92a Krux conical bushings on Indy 144, but without the bottom washer to allow for more room and a bit more turn. I use a thin, flat washer on top for the same reason. I keep the nut just so that the trucks are slightly rattly and I can twist the bushings with my fingers. This setup gives me a loose and responsive feel, but gives resistance when I turn too deep or land awkwardly.

However, your first step should probably be to get wider trucks. Width will give you more stability and control, even on soft bushings. If you're planning to stick with 8", then you definitely need 139s. 144s if you go beyond that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 04, 2020, 07:28:10 PM
Quote from: dakara on March 04, 2020, 02:33:36 PM
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What are the dimensions on the board you are riding? I find Indys on a shorter deck can make the board turn very sharply and be too light on the pop. Going the other extreme with Venture Hollow Light trucks will make the board turn more gradually but you will struggle to get pop on a shorter board since the tail gets shortened.
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It is short, 8x31.25x13.75 wheelbase. It’s a Japanese shop blank, when I asked the dude at the shop why they are so short( I Measured weeks after buying) he said that it was because Japanese skaters are generally shorter. Extremely short wheelbase when paired with indies, never thought about it but makes sense it’s twitchy with turn, same with cars. It does indeed pop like shit too and I get into that on the wb thread, but I tried using the nose as the tail a few days ago and that somewhat rectified that problem. Def wanna go with a whole new setup soon though but money is really tight and gear is expensive here so for the time being I’m working with what I’ve got.

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I’m trying to improve stability on my extremely squirrelly setup without losing too much turn. As it stands it feels like I’m standing on a tightrope when setting up for tricks.  I have an 8 inch deck on Indy stage 9 129samd keep them loose enough to were I can make a fairly tight 90degree turn Around a corner when skating in the city. Normally I would just buy 8.25 trucks, but I cant afford that at the moment. I was thinking about going with some Indy hard bushings or medium hards. How much of a difference are the medium hards than stock? I only weigh 110lbs so am hesitant to go with hards. Any other setup tricks to get more stability without compromising turn too much like with washers and hard/soft bushing combos etc?
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Stage 9 duralites have conical bottom bushings, right?
A cylinder/barrel bushing should be a lil more stable on center, but not dive into turns as quickly.
I'd suggest trying orange (90a?) Indy or Thunder/Deluxe cylinders.
I feel like trucks even with board width is more stable if you're talking about actually lifting wheels off the ground.
Trucks wider than my board bugs me tho.
You link up with any other jdm guys? With the way some ppl here change up their gear you guys might be able to just trade stuff.
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Yes they are dual conical. Hmm I think I’m going to try that.

 I don’t hang out with many skate dudes, just people that practice flat ground at the local non skate park if I happen to be there at the same time as them we chat a little and session the diy curb there and they don’t seem to be gearheads, so idk if trading is an option.

Sound like an Evisen blank, which is from the dwindle / DSM woodshop. They tend to make tiny boards below 31.6" length and 14" WB. Flippy but way too tiny for my liking, and I'm a small Asian (170cm, 65kg). Experimented with:
Destrucos (fairly similar to Indys) - nose became too light, but turned well
Venture - board became too heavy with a much longer WB and shrinking the tail with already steep kicks
Thunder - right down the middle, made the board skate-able but not amazing

I'm pretty biased against Indys, never had a great experience with them, only so-so.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drewsmahgoos on March 05, 2020, 07:34:44 AM
Quote from: dakara on March 04, 2020, 01:57:02 AM
I’m trying to improve stability on my extremely squirrelly setup without losing too much turn. As it stands it feels like I’m standing on a tightrope when setting up for tricks.  I have an 8 inch deck on Indy stage 9 129samd keep them loose enough to were I can make a fairly tight 90degree turn Around a corner when skating in the city. Normally I would just buy 8.25 trucks, but I cant afford that at the moment. I was thinking about going with some Indy hard bushings or medium hards. How much of a difference are the medium hards than stock? I only weigh 110lbs so am hesitant to go with hards. Any other setup tricks to get more stability without compromising turn too much like with washers and hard/soft bushing combos etc?

I switched to the harder, blue aftermarket indy conicals. The conical shape gives it that easy turning but the harder bushings help a lot with stability. Less tight-ropey for sure and if you played around with something softer on the top or bottom, I bet you could find a sweet spot. I have indy 144's but it should be a similar deal. Right now I kind of hate my indys but I feel like I'll phase back into them at some point and I'm for sure I upgraded the bushings when I did.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on March 05, 2020, 07:41:02 AM
After months on Thunder 151s, I threw on some Ace 55s today. Big set up, 9.8, 58mm wheels, 1/4" risers and the difference was insane even on a quick flatground session. Kick flips came right back after a no kick flip 2020 thus far. Less effort to pop. Hopefully head to the bowl today...

I think Thunders are best with a lower, smaller wheel set up...

 I've got to stop switching though and commit to one truck b/c these Thunders felt great when I put them on after months on Aces....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: christopherwalters on March 05, 2020, 09:24:39 AM
I want to get 151 Thunders and I'm currently riding 8.38/8.5. Would the axles or the wheels stick out on the 8.38?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on March 05, 2020, 09:56:58 AM
Quote from: christopherwalters on March 05, 2020, 09:24:39 AM
I want to get 151 Thunders and I'm currently riding 8.38/8.5. Would the axles or the wheels stick out on the 8.38?
yes. 151 are 8.75" axles. So the difference being 0.37" or it will stick out 3/16" on each side. not crazy but i'd stay within 1/4" wider trucks than deck width, it'd work well on your 8.5"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on March 05, 2020, 09:58:45 AM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on March 05, 2020, 07:41:02 AM
After months on Thunder 151s, I threw on some Ace 55s today. Big set up, 9.8, 58mm wheels, 1/4" risers and the difference was insane even on a quick flatground session. Kick flips came right back after a no kick flip 2020 thus far. Less effort to pop. Hopefully head to the bowl today...

yeah higher set up, but surprised by the pop effort. mellow kick deck? I'm considering trying 1/4" risers and larger wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on March 05, 2020, 03:42:44 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on March 05, 2020, 09:58:45 AM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on March 05, 2020, 07:41:02 AM
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After months on Thunder 151s, I threw on some Ace 55s today. Big set up, 9.8, 58mm wheels, 1/4" risers and the difference was insane even on a quick flatground session. Kick flips came right back after a no kick flip 2020 thus far. Less effort to pop. Hopefully head to the bowl today...

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yeah higher set up, but surprised by the pop effort. mellow kick deck? I'm considering trying 1/4" risers and larger wheels.

Not the height. Thunder and Ace are very close in height. I think its more to with axle position. Thunder are good if you like a steeper but slower pop, Ace if you want a quicker but mellower pop. Not sure if that makes sense...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on March 05, 2020, 07:34:37 PM
Can anyone comment on if loose kingpins fucked with the turn of their trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on March 06, 2020, 12:31:50 AM
Yeah. I'd think there'd be a weird, wobbly dead zone on center but never had to deal with it.


I feel like an asshole for even thinking this.. but..
Anyone fucked with Ti standard/cast?
Ti hanger + cast baseplate, regular kingpin..
I've got the parts and seems like it'd make sense for 159's


I've got some Krux and Riptide pivot cups. And some Active's..
Softer for a more cruiser setup? curbstomper, ditches, not a beer n coffee board..
Harder for the regular street board?


Someone mentioned hollow kingpins are different material. I think they're right, I was wrong..
Hollow looks like stainless steel, not zinc plated like I thought. Easy way to check would be spark test if you know what that is.
Standard KP should be regular steel and a lil bit softer?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on March 06, 2020, 01:03:48 AM
^^^ Yeah never had to until recently either, thanks for the input
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Maccat on March 06, 2020, 03:24:10 AM
Quote from: franquietits on December 28, 2015, 08:52:57 PM
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Back on indy 149s with the 88a conical bushings. They really feel like shit next to my worn in thunder 151s. The timing on ollies is great and there is less wheelbite issues but the turn is so sluggish... I've got to stop alternating between truck brands and just commit to one...
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I had similar experiences with those indy red 88's. As soon as I'd take them out to skate they would feel really agile and would turn quick right away, but after awhile, deeper into the session it seemed like it would seize up and the turning felt more sluggish. Then again, its been cold out lately when this has happened, so I figured that had something to do with it.   

Gotta be something with the compound and the season. Got the same in an old set of Indys and when it’s warm, they’re great. As soon as it got cold it’s like they stiffened up to the point of not turning at all. Yanked em for some supercush 88s and it’s all good.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on March 06, 2020, 03:48:20 AM
 https://www.instagram.com/p/B9VuJQxFIpL/?igshid=13oqvllxji0br (https://www.instagram.com/p/B9VuJQxFIpL/?igshid=13oqvllxji0br)

Anyone seen these before? From Australia.

http://www.mantonskateboards.com.au/index.php/en/shop/trucks (http://www.mantonskateboards.com.au/index.php/en/shop/trucks)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on March 06, 2020, 09:40:06 AM
Check that rusty nut
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on March 06, 2020, 12:03:48 PM
Quote from: texasplant on March 06, 2020, 03:48:20 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9VuJQxFIpL/?igshid=13oqvllxji0br (https://www.instagram.com/p/B9VuJQxFIpL/?igshid=13oqvllxji0br)

Anyone seen these before? From Australia.

http://www.mantonskateboards.com.au/index.php/en/shop/trucks (http://www.mantonskateboards.com.au/index.php/en/shop/trucks)

I looked them up and they're like a bootleg theeve with titanium, but they look like bullet trucks or some sort of low cost trucks.

Edit: this is prime less popular truck thread stuff lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 06, 2020, 04:16:55 PM
Any fellow supernerds know if NHS got new molds when they switched to China or if they were using old ones but merely on a different continent?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on March 06, 2020, 04:43:08 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 06, 2020, 04:16:55 PM
Any fellow supernerds know if NHS got new molds when they switched to China or if they were using old ones but merely on a different continent?
I can tell that the baseplates are slightly different. Idk about the hangers..
The change to the finish/polish could be from using finer sand? But I think they're just polishing the shit outta em now cuz China doesn't care about water pollution, cheaper electricity/labor rates..

Cast baseplate..
Put it next to an old "assembled in US" baseplate and the China one was a tiny bit taller/thicker at the mounting pad.
So probably a tiny bit taller where the bottom washer goes.. and total height..
Tiny, tiny change..
About 0.5mm, 0.020" but I didn't break out a straight edge and feeler gauges..
Or think to use my micrometer or caliper. drrh..

Forged baseplate..
Didn't notice any thickness changes but some edges might have a slightly different radius?
I've got some old and new Ti's now so I'll have a second look..
*The parting line for the die is now on the bottom of the baseplate*
Stage X has the parting line visible on the side of the mounting pad
I think the earlier Ti has the parting line on the side but should double check..

Parting line..
How to explain this?
Forged aluminum stuff is made in a two-part (or more..) metal die.
There's a small seam where the dies meet and aluminum will flow into it and form a tiny ridge.
That ridge is the parting line left in the finished piece.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skart on March 06, 2020, 04:45:56 PM
Or nah
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on March 06, 2020, 04:46:45 PM
@satan, cool info, ty
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: secondhandstoke on March 07, 2020, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: whatsreallygood on March 05, 2020, 07:34:37 PM
Can anyone comment on if loose kingpins fucked with the turn of their trucks?

yeah
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on March 07, 2020, 02:24:37 PM
Quote from: secondhandstoke on March 07, 2020, 01:41:33 PM
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Can anyone comment on if loose kingpins fucked with the turn of their trucks?
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yeah

ty, buddies theeve v2s have the issue and I was wondering if the kingpin was throwing them off significantly since there weren't regular equivalents to compare to
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: secondhandstoke on March 07, 2020, 02:33:58 PM
Quote from: whatsreallygood on March 07, 2020, 02:24:37 PM
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Can anyone comment on if loose kingpins fucked with the turn of their trucks?
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yeah
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ty, buddies theeve v2s have the issue and I was wondering if the kingpin was throwing them off significantly since there weren't regular equivalents to compare to

get some jb weld and fix those kingpins
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on March 07, 2020, 02:36:30 PM
Quote from: secondhandstoke on March 07, 2020, 02:33:58 PM
Quote from: whatsreallygood on March 07, 2020, 02:24:37 PM
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Quote from: secondhandstoke on March 07, 2020, 01:41:33 PM
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Quote from: whatsreallygood on March 05, 2020, 07:34:37 PM
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Can anyone comment on if loose kingpins fucked with the turn of their trucks?
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yeah
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ty, buddies theeve v2s have the issue and I was wondering if the kingpin was throwing them off significantly since there weren't regular equivalents to compare to
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get some jb weld and fix those kingpins

I'll tell my buddy to do that
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: whatsreallygood on March 07, 2020, 04:54:47 PM
Dudes who run bones top washers

Is banging into the bushing ever an issue? I always get marks on the top washer like this:

(https://i.imgur.com/RPmWCus.jpg)

So I'm hesitant to use them and end up accidentally shaving off a chunk the the bushing. On the other hand, more turning sounds nice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 07, 2020, 08:29:38 PM
How do you measure truck height? I know you based it off the distance between the baseplate and axle, but I don't know if you end at the bottom of the axle or at the middle of the axle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: secondhandstoke on March 07, 2020, 08:33:41 PM
Quote from: yourbreakfsat on March 07, 2020, 08:29:38 PM
How do you measure truck height? I know you based it off the distance between the baseplate and axle, but I don't know if you end at the bottom of the axle or at the middle of the axle.

bottom of the baseplate to top of axle
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 08, 2020, 07:15:57 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 03, 2020, 05:20:15 PM
Anyone tried making frankenstein Venture trucks?

I have a pair of Venture 5.6 V-Hollow but would like to shift the WB by only 3.25" instead of the usual 3.4-3.5". Been eyeing a pair of Venture 5.0 Lo to swap out the baseplate.

Is truck height determined by baseplate or hanger height? Seems like all baseplates from that brand are universal.

hanger
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on March 08, 2020, 10:23:41 AM
I was just going through my box of old skate stuff and realized I have a set of Stage 10 149's with plenty of life left.  I know some of the older Indy pros skate older stages.  Are these worth anything?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on March 08, 2020, 03:41:43 PM
Quote from: secondhandstoke on March 07, 2020, 08:33:41 PM
Quote from: yourbreakfsat on March 07, 2020, 08:29:38 PM
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How do you measure truck height? I know you based it off the distance between the baseplate and axle, but I don't know if you end at the bottom of the axle or at the middle of the axle.
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bottom of the baseplate to top the center of the axle
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on March 08, 2020, 04:51:44 PM
Quote from: jamersonbass on March 08, 2020, 10:23:41 AM
I was just going through my box of old skate stuff and realized I have a set of Stage 10 149's with plenty of life left.  I know some of the older Indy pros skate older stages.  Are these worth anything?

Stage 8 and older tend to be the one's people pay for. 9 (bad baseplates) and 10 (bad turn) have a bit of a shit reputation.

That said, you never know, someone might be after them. I was watching a set of stage 8 156's on ebay recently, ground nearly to death, non original bushings, with aftermarket GK inverted kingpins, and they sold for nearly $100 (CDN). Kinda crazy. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dakara on March 09, 2020, 04:27:44 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 04, 2020, 07:28:10 PM
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What are the dimensions on the board you are riding? I find Indys on a shorter deck can make the board turn very sharply and be too light on the pop. Going the other extreme with Venture Hollow Light trucks will make the board turn more gradually but you will struggle to get pop on a shorter board since the tail gets shortened.
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It is short, 8x31.25x13.75 wheelbase. It’s a Japanese shop blank, when I asked the dude at the shop why they are so short( I Measured weeks after buying) he said that it was because Japanese skaters are generally shorter. Extremely short wheelbase when paired with indies, never thought about it but makes sense it’s twitchy with turn, same with cars. It does indeed pop like shit too and I get into that on the wb thread, but I tried using the nose as the tail a few days ago and that somewhat rectified that problem. Def wanna go with a whole new setup soon though but money is really tight and gear is expensive here so for the time being I’m working with what I’ve got.

Quote from: satan on March 04, 2020, 08:11:52 AM
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I’m trying to improve stability on my extremely squirrelly setup without losing too much turn. As it stands it feels like I’m standing on a tightrope when setting up for tricks.  I have an 8 inch deck on Indy stage 9 129samd keep them loose enough to were I can make a fairly tight 90degree turn Around a corner when skating in the city. Normally I would just buy 8.25 trucks, but I cant afford that at the moment. I was thinking about going with some Indy hard bushings or medium hards. How much of a difference are the medium hards than stock? I only weigh 110lbs so am hesitant to go with hards. Any other setup tricks to get more stability without compromising turn too much like with washers and hard/soft bushing combos etc?
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Stage 9 duralites have conical bottom bushings, right?
A cylinder/barrel bushing should be a lil more stable on center, but not dive into turns as quickly.
I'd suggest trying orange (90a?) Indy or Thunder/Deluxe cylinders.
I feel like trucks even with board width is more stable if you're talking about actually lifting wheels off the ground.
Trucks wider than my board bugs me tho.
You link up with any other jdm guys? With the way some ppl here change up their gear you guys might be able to just trade stuff.
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Yes they are dual conical. Hmm I think I’m going to try that.

 I don’t hang out with many skate dudes, just people that practice flat ground at the local non skate park if I happen to be there at the same time as them we chat a little and session the diy curb there and they don’t seem to be gearheads, so idk if trading is an option.
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Sound like an Evisen blank, which is from the dwindle / DSM woodshop. They tend to make tiny boards below 31.6" length and 14" WB. Flippy but way too tiny for my liking, and I'm a small Asian (170cm, 65kg). Experimented with:
Destrucos (fairly similar to Indys) - nose became too light, but turned well
Venture - board became too heavy with a much longer WB and shrinking the tail with already steep kicks
Thunder - right down the middle, made the board skate-able but not amazing

I'm pretty biased against Indys, never had a great experience with them, only so-so.

Ya it’s the reptile brand that’s in every skate shop here. When I bought my first I e over a year ago they said it was dsm. When I was at the shop a couple weeks ago though and was inquiring about the wheelbase I asked “ these are dsm right?” And the dude at hi Sox said they used to be but now it’s something different, but they seem identical to past ones so idk what’s going on. I’m also 170cm and Asian but only weigh 50kg lol. I am too broke to afford trucks at japan  prices right now from moving and I’m getting married in the summer, so I’m just going to fiddle with some bushing setups. I’ve kind of rectified the tiny feeling by using the relatively big nose as my tail, still run out of room when sliding or flicking my front foot up but the bigger tail helps with leverage. If I can swing it I wanna go with their 8.25x14wb blank next perhaps with some venture 5.6 or 5.8. I like indys as a middle of the road truck but I can’t justify paying 10000yen for every deck so I might just stick with blanks and go with the biggest one they got and get used to it. 8.25 with a 14wb is short but not outrageous especially with some ventures
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on March 09, 2020, 08:26:39 AM
Quote from: jamersonbass on March 08, 2020, 10:23:41 AM
I was just going through my box of old skate stuff and realized I have a set of Stage 10 149's with plenty of life left.  I know some of the older Indy pros skate older stages.  Are these worth anything?

Was about to set up a pair of new stage 10s I had sitting in a box so I really hope not
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 09, 2020, 10:34:23 AM
(https://i.imgflip.com/3rxiuu.jpg) (https://imgflip.com/i/3rxiuu)via Imgflip Meme Generator (https://imgflip.com/memegenerator)

I'm gonna skate these today maybe. I don't have any smaller boards rn. Going magic carpet to the max
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 09, 2020, 11:12:05 AM
Did my first franken truck with leftover trucks I had lying around:

Venture 5.2 Hollow Hi Baseplate + Venture 5.8 Hanger

The 5.2s were looking a tiny on an 8" and unstable. Kept the forged baseplate and went with a larger hanger. Hopefully it feels ok tomorrow. Didn't want to blow more cash on more trucks after going over budget last month.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chris. on March 09, 2020, 11:58:03 AM
I revived some old 149s with bones and riptide pivot cups and I like them more now than I ever did before. They’re also the perfect for this flat 8.25” deck that I have been trying to make work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Charlie Hustle on March 09, 2020, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 09, 2020, 11:12:05 AM
Did my first franken truck with leftover trucks I had lying around:

Venture 5.2 Hollow Hi Baseplate + Venture 5.8 Hanger

The 5.2s were looking a tiny on an 8" and unstable. Kept the forged baseplate and went with a larger hanger. Hopefully it feels ok tomorrow. Didn't want to blow more cash on more trucks after going over budget last month.
8" trucks look tiny on 8" boards? ok...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 09, 2020, 02:47:59 PM
Quote from: Fat Tire on March 09, 2020, 08:26:39 AM
Quote from: jamersonbass on March 08, 2020, 10:23:41 AM
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I was just going through my box of old skate stuff and realized I have a set of Stage 10 149's with plenty of life left.  I know some of the older Indy pros skate older stages.  Are these worth anything?
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Was about to set up a pair of new stage 10s I had sitting in a box so I really hope not

I swear Gilbert Crockett still skated an older stage but I don’t know which one, either 8 or 10
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on March 09, 2020, 05:53:17 PM
Quote from: rob on March 09, 2020, 02:47:59 PM
Quote from: Fat Tire on March 09, 2020, 08:26:39 AM
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I was just going through my box of old skate stuff and realized I have a set of Stage 10 149's with plenty of life left.  I know some of the older Indy pros skate older stages.  Are these worth anything?
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Was about to set up a pair of new stage 10s I had sitting in a box so I really hope not
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I swear Gilbert Crockett still skated an older stage but I don’t know which one, either 8 or 10

8's, according to this article,
http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2018/05/08/look-cult-independent-trucks/

That said, he posted a setup pic a few months back and it looked like normal Stage 11's (oval yoke). So, who knows.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B06fbaTgPF1/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 09, 2020, 05:54:09 PM
Quote from: Charlie Hustle on March 09, 2020, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 09, 2020, 11:12:05 AM
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Did my first franken truck with leftover trucks I had lying around:

Venture 5.2 Hollow Hi Baseplate + Venture 5.8 Hanger

The 5.2s were looking a tiny on an 8" and unstable. Kept the forged baseplate and went with a larger hanger. Hopefully it feels ok tomorrow. Didn't want to blow more cash on more trucks after going over budget last month.
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8" trucks look tiny on 8" boards? ok...

8.25" board, it was 2am.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 10, 2020, 07:59:30 PM
Full double sided curb truck width wheel clearance?

It's been a while but do do 8.75-in trucks on average, allow you to sit on top of the curb with enough wheel clearance on each side as 149s don't.

I say on average because clearly curb widths are different place to place but I'm trying to avoid going to 169's or 6.1's or whatever the fuck it is just to make sure I've got clearance if 875 can do just fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on March 10, 2020, 08:35:42 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 10, 2020, 07:59:30 PM
Full double sided curb truck width wheel clearance?

It's been a while but do do 8.75-in trucks on average, allow you to sit on top of the curb with enough wheel clearance on each side as 149s don't.

I say on average because clearly curb widths are different place to place but I'm trying to avoid going to 169's or 6.1's or whatever the fuck it is just to make sure I've got clearance if 875 can do just fine.
I asked this too and got crickets..
Resorted to eyeballing my 139's on my local curbs and actually googled curb dimensions. There's city code info out there for civil engineers but curb width isn't always strictly defined. Iirc 8" tall is pretty average. And this is where I started to see parking block dimensions..
Eyeballing 139's and classics I think 159's would just barely work, and 169's would overlap.
I'm thinking of getting radials or conical fulls to be safe and lil bit cuz that just looks right to me.
Lotsa curbs by me have mulch in the planters so I didn't wanna be doing landscaping with 169's.

Your other post and slappies.. I think you're on the right track with wider being better but I just learned fs slappies recently on a magical, slanted curb..
Putting my board primo against it, my board is a lil taller than the curb but my trucks don't touch. I'm thinking/hoping 159's should be easier for taller, steeper curbs.

*Please don't say you got a 8.625" Primitive. That would really weird me out ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on March 10, 2020, 08:56:13 PM
Quote from: jamersonbass on March 08, 2020, 10:23:41 AM
I was just going through my box of old skate stuff and realized I have a set of Stage 10 149's with plenty of life left.  I know some of the older Indy pros skate older stages.  Are these worth anything?

everyone hates on the 10’s cause of the turning/height. but I personally loved them. still have an unused set of stage 10 149’s and a lightly used set of 139’s. nothing beats a pair of stage 8’s though imo. that’s what I started on. indy stage 9 were god awful though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 10, 2020, 09:03:17 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9kj3mJl_Dn/?igshid=ltfl99em74qv

As an Indy rider, this is way too true especially amongst older skaters.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on March 10, 2020, 09:50:18 PM
dumb q, but is it possible to have a Indy stage 11 with only 4 bolt holes? Just realized my popsicle set up only has 4 holes, while my cruiser has 6, and my oblivious ass thought they were the same trucks.

Maybe I’m running 10s on my popsicle?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 10, 2020, 09:52:32 PM
Quote from: yourbreakfsat on March 10, 2020, 09:03:17 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9kj3mJl_Dn/?igshid=ltfl99em74qv

As an Indy rider, this is way too true especially amongst older skaters.

Love it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 10, 2020, 09:52:55 PM
Quote from: YungJugg on March 10, 2020, 09:50:18 PM
dumb q, but is it possible to have a Indy stage 11 with only 4 bolt holes? Just realized my popsicle set up only has 4 holes, while my cruiser has 6, and my oblivious ass thought they were the same trucks.

Maybe I’m running 10s on my popsicle?

109, 159 and 169 have 6 hole baseplates. 129-149 have 4 hole baseplates.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on March 10, 2020, 09:54:19 PM
any indy stage 11 that is 149 and below has 4 bolt holes. anything 159 and above has 6. You can also tell if they are stage 11 by looking on the hanger behind the kingpin. it will be a Roman numeral that relates to the size IE: 129=II  139=III and so on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on March 10, 2020, 09:55:09 PM
Quote from: yourbreakfsat on March 10, 2020, 09:52:55 PM
Quote from: YungJugg on March 10, 2020, 09:50:18 PM
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dumb q, but is it possible to have a Indy stage 11 with only 4 bolt holes? Just realized my popsicle set up only has 4 holes, while my cruiser has 6, and my oblivious ass thought they were the same trucks.

Maybe I’m running 10s on my popsicle?
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109, 159 and 169 have 6 hole baseplates. 129-149 have 4 hole baseplates.

oh shit, yea I forgot the 109 have 6 as well..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 10, 2020, 09:58:33 PM
Quote from: satan on March 10, 2020, 08:35:42 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 10, 2020, 07:59:30 PM
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Full double sided curb truck width wheel clearance?

It's been a while but do do 8.75-in trucks on average, allow you to sit on top of the curb with enough wheel clearance on each side as 149s don't.

I say on average because clearly curb widths are different place to place but I'm trying to avoid going to 169's or 6.1's or whatever the fuck it is just to make sure I've got clearance if 875 can do just fine.
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I asked this too and got crickets..
Resorted to eyeballing my 139's on my local curbs and actually googled curb dimensions. There's city code info out there for civil engineers but curb width isn't always strictly defined. Iirc 8" tall is pretty average. And this is where I started to see parking block dimensions..
Eyeballing 139's and classics I think 159's would just barely work, and 169's would overlap.
I'm thinking of getting radials or conical fulls to be safe and lil bit cuz that just looks right to me.
Lotsa curbs by me have mulch in the planters so I didn't wanna be doing landscaping with 169's.

Your other post and slappies.. I think you're on the right track with wider being better but I just learned fs slappies recently on a magical, slanted curb..
Putting my board primo against it, my board is a lil taller than the curb but my trucks don't touch. I'm thinking/hoping 159's should be easier for taller, steeper curbs.

*Please don't say you got a 8.625" Primitive. That would really weird me out ;)

Nope! 8.625 madness slick bottom with wheel wells ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on March 10, 2020, 10:04:17 PM
Quote from: TFUCKINA on March 10, 2020, 09:54:19 PM
any indy stage 11 that is 149 and below has 4 bolt holes. anything 159 and above has 6. You can also tell if they are stage 11 by looking on the hanger behind the kingpin. it will be a Roman numeral that relates to the size IE: 129=II  139=III and so on.


My front truck is IIII and my back truck is IV, what could that mean?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on March 10, 2020, 10:34:50 PM
Quote from: yourbreakfsat on March 10, 2020, 09:03:17 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9kj3mJl_Dn/?igshid=ltfl99em74qv

As an Indy rider, this is way too true especially amongst older skaters.

my first truck meme, hopefully not the last  8)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on March 11, 2020, 07:39:37 AM
Quote from: YungJugg on March 10, 2020, 10:04:17 PM
Quote from: TFUCKINA on March 10, 2020, 09:54:19 PM
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any indy stage 11 that is 149 and below has 4 bolt holes. anything 159 and above has 6. You can also tell if they are stage 11 by looking on the hanger behind the kingpin. it will be a Roman numeral that relates to the size IE: 129=II  139=III and so on.
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My front truck is IIII and my back truck is IV, what could that mean?

Roman numeral can be written IV or IIII so same size, different mold or another person writing the number.
Where can you see that, never saw those on my stage 11s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on March 11, 2020, 07:50:35 AM
Quote from: jtrpma on March 11, 2020, 07:39:37 AM
Quote from: YungJugg on March 10, 2020, 10:04:17 PM
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Quote from: TFUCKINA on March 10, 2020, 09:54:19 PM
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any indy stage 11 that is 149 and below has 4 bolt holes. anything 159 and above has 6. You can also tell if they are stage 11 by looking on the hanger behind the kingpin. it will be a Roman numeral that relates to the size IE: 129=II  139=III and so on.
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My front truck is IIII and my back truck is IV, what could that mean?
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Roman numeral can be written IV or IIII so same size, different mold or another person writing the number.
Where can you see that, never saw those on my stage 11s

On the hanger right behind your top bushing, this was new to me as well shoutout TFUCKINA. As long as my trucks are the same exact specs I don't mind, just weird they have two different roman numerals for the same number. At least it'll help me keep track of the front and back truck for future set ups.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on March 11, 2020, 07:52:27 AM
Quote from: YungJugg on March 11, 2020, 07:50:35 AM
Quote from: jtrpma on March 11, 2020, 07:39:37 AM
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Quote from: YungJugg on March 10, 2020, 10:04:17 PM
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Quote from: TFUCKINA on March 10, 2020, 09:54:19 PM
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any indy stage 11 that is 149 and below has 4 bolt holes. anything 159 and above has 6. You can also tell if they are stage 11 by looking on the hanger behind the kingpin. it will be a Roman numeral that relates to the size IE: 129=II  139=III and so on.
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My front truck is IIII and my back truck is IV, what could that mean?
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Roman numeral can be written IV or IIII so same size, different mold or another person writing the number.
Where can you see that, never saw those on my stage 11s
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On the hanger right behind your top bushing, this was new to me as well shoutout TFUCKINA. As long as my trucks are the same exact specs I don't mind, just weird they have two different roman numerals for the same number. At least it'll help me keep track of the front and back truck for future set ups.
IIII is 144, IV is 149
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on March 11, 2020, 09:43:53 AM
jeez, have I really been skating two diff sized trucks this long without noticing?

If that's the case then I'm debating if I should continue or get a new truck. One thrashed grooved truck and one clean truck will certainly look weird.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skart on March 11, 2020, 10:11:25 AM
Quote from: YungJugg on March 11, 2020, 09:43:53 AM
jeez, have I really been skating two diff sized trucks this long without noticing?

If that's the case then I'm debating if I should continue or get a new truck. One thrashed grooved truck and one clean truck will certainly look weird.

Cover the new one with stickers, problem solved
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on March 11, 2020, 10:26:58 AM
Just take one hanger of and compare them? Is this hard for you to figure out?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on March 11, 2020, 01:44:28 PM
Quote from: secondhandstoke on March 11, 2020, 04:47:42 PM
Quote from: YungJugg on March 11, 2020, 09:43:53 AM
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jeez, have I really been skating two diff sized trucks this long without noticing?

If that's the case then I'm debating if I should continue or get a new truck. One thrashed grooved truck and one clean truck will certainly look weird.
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samesies.  i run an indy 149 in front and indy 144 in back.  its a killer setup

I'm the opposite setup but yours seems slightly better, make the back a tad lighter. Yet, the size diff is close enough to where I didn't really notice it, so fuck it. In hindsight that'll explain why my back truck turns ever so slightly different though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on March 11, 2020, 02:43:12 PM
you guys are making me want to get an ace 55 so i can do a 66 on the front and the 55 on the back
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: secondhandstoke on March 11, 2020, 04:47:42 PM
Quote from: YungJugg on March 11, 2020, 09:43:53 AM
jeez, have I really been skating two diff sized trucks this long without noticing?

If that's the case then I'm debating if I should continue or get a new truck. One thrashed grooved truck and one clean truck will certainly look weird.

samesies.  i run an indy 149 in front and indy 144 in back.  its a killer setup
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on March 11, 2020, 06:29:47 PM
Quote from: secondhandstoke on March 11, 2020, 04:47:42 PM
Quote from: YungJugg on March 11, 2020, 09:43:53 AM
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jeez, have I really been skating two diff sized trucks this long without noticing?

If that's the case then I'm debating if I should continue or get a new truck. One thrashed grooved truck and one clean truck will certainly look weird.
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samesies.  i run an indy 149 in front and indy 144 in back.  its a killer setup
My OCD could not handle this..
I just got 159 Ti's from Skate Warehouse.
One has the "Titanium" graphic on the hanger, the other has "Titanium" etched under the hanger in the webbing.
Whatever..
My dumbass decided to measure the hangers..
156mm and 157mm..
Seriously had trouble sleeping last night..
Is it centered? Both wheels off by 0.5mm? One wheel off by 1mm? Will I notice it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on March 11, 2020, 06:37:21 PM
Quote from: satan on March 11, 2020, 06:29:47 PM
Seriously had trouble sleeping last night..

LOL
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 11, 2020, 08:39:28 PM
I’ve swapped out multiple pairs of trucks for days in a row, spent $25 on titanium hardware, mixed & matched bushing combos, bought aftermarket pivot cups, and even scoured the web for what seemed like the last set of Grind King Rimz available

Skating two different sized trucks is where I draw the line with my madness (https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/hubie.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on March 11, 2020, 09:06:46 PM
I was at my parents house and found an old setup that had been given to my sister.  It was a super-abused original Blind Jason Lee American Icons deck - with an Indy stage 5 on one end and a Tracker with a plastic baseplate on the other.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on March 11, 2020, 09:25:27 PM
Madness back. After months of riding the best, I wanted to be always on the grind. Well, I suddenly want to know control, so I bought thunders again. Help
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on March 11, 2020, 09:52:00 PM
Quote from: authentic_creed_bratton on March 11, 2020, 02:43:12 PM
you guys are making me want to get an ace 55 so i can do a 66 on the front and the 55 on the back

do it, for science
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on March 11, 2020, 09:52:23 PM
Quote from: satan on March 11, 2020, 06:29:47 PM
Quote from: secondhandstoke on March 11, 2020, 04:47:42 PM
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jeez, have I really been skating two diff sized trucks this long without noticing?

If that's the case then I'm debating if I should continue or get a new truck. One thrashed grooved truck and one clean truck will certainly look weird.
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samesies.  i run an indy 149 in front and indy 144 in back.  its a killer setup
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My OCD could not handle this..
I just got 159 Ti's from Skate Warehouse.
One has the "Titanium" graphic on the hanger, the other has "Titanium" etched under the hanger in the webbing.
Whatever..
My dumbass decided to measure the hangers..
156mm and 157mm..
Seriously had trouble sleeping last night..
Is it centered? Both wheels off by 0.5mm? One wheel off by 1mm? Will I notice it?


the screened one is most likely going to have a shittier pivot cup and bushings than the laser.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 11, 2020, 10:18:15 PM
Quote from: YungJugg on March 11, 2020, 09:52:00 PM
Quote from: authentic_creed_bratton on March 11, 2020, 02:43:12 PM
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you guys are making me want to get an ace 55 so i can do a 66 on the front and the 55 on the back
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do it, for science

Always wondered if people ever rode mixed trucks - Thunders on the front, Ventures on the back etc
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on March 11, 2020, 10:39:01 PM
Quote from: secondhandstoke on March 11, 2020, 04:47:42 PM
Quote from: YungJugg on March 11, 2020, 09:43:53 AM
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jeez, have I really been skating two diff sized trucks this long without noticing?

If that's the case then I'm debating if I should continue or get a new truck. One thrashed grooved truck and one clean truck will certainly look weird.
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samesies.  i run an indy 149 in front and indy 144 in back.  its a killer setup

i'm done with this thread.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on March 12, 2020, 12:34:31 AM
Can someone post a pic of those roman numbers on stage XI’s? I tried to look both on my 139’s and 149’s last night but couldn’t find shit. Do I have to take my bushings of or can I see it from top?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on March 12, 2020, 04:05:42 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 11, 2020, 10:18:15 PM
Quote from: YungJugg on March 11, 2020, 09:52:00 PM
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Quote from: authentic_creed_bratton on March 11, 2020, 02:43:12 PM
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you guys are making me want to get an ace 55 so i can do a 66 on the front and the 55 on the back
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do it, for science
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Always wondered if people ever rode mixed trucks - Thunders on the front, Ventures on the back etc
My friend rode a forged thunder and a cast thunder. Didn’t seem to mind and I could never wrap my head around that
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on March 12, 2020, 04:33:03 AM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on March 12, 2020, 04:05:42 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 11, 2020, 10:18:15 PM
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Quote from: authentic_creed_bratton on March 11, 2020, 02:43:12 PM
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you guys are making me want to get an ace 55 so i can do a 66 on the front and the 55 on the back
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do it, for science
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Always wondered if people ever rode mixed trucks - Thunders on the front, Ventures on the back etc
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My friend rode a forged thunder and a cast thunder. Didn’t seem to mind and I could never wrap my head around that

On my Powell elephant I run hollow on the back and cast on the front. My only setup with two of the same exact trucks rn is my rain board.

Quote from: Krooked antihero  on March 12, 2020, 12:34:31 AM
Can someone post a pic of those roman numbers on stage XI’s? I tried to look both on my 139’s and 149’s last night but couldn’t find shit. Do I have to take my bushings of or can I see it from top?

I can’t upload a pic rn but you should see em poking out behind your top bushing. My bushing is covering like half of it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 12, 2020, 06:22:15 AM
Quote from: fang on March 11, 2020, 09:25:27 PM
Madness back. After months of riding the best, I wanted to be always on the grind. Well, I suddenly want to know control, so I bought thunders again. Help

I was having this same issue with Ventures and Indys for months. Like, I would set up a board with Indys, skate them, be super into them, and then decide to "try" Ventures again. Then I would love the ventures, tell everyone how I was back on Ventures for life, and the "try" some Indys and begin the cycle again.

For me, posting about it on the internet somehow triggers the change and makes me. So just don't tell people that you like one more and you'll be bale to stick to one?

Also, you sold your Thunders once and are buying them again, right? Maybe that says something.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 12, 2020, 06:05:12 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on March 12, 2020, 06:22:15 AM
Quote from: fang on March 11, 2020, 09:25:27 PM
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Madness back. After months of riding the best, I wanted to be always on the grind. Well, I suddenly want to know control, so I bought thunders again. Help
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I was having this same issue with Ventures and Indys for months. Like, I would set up a board with Indys, skate them, be super into them, and then decide to "try" Ventures again. Then I would love the ventures, tell everyone how I was back on Ventures for life, and the "try" some Indys and begin the cycle again.

For me, posting about it on the internet somehow triggers the change and makes me. So just don't tell people that you like one more and you'll be bale to stick to one?

Also, you sold your Thunders once and are buying them again, right? Maybe that says something.

Try Tensor. I'm serious.

Otherwise, just don't sell off the trucks so you can rotate out whenever you get cookydooks.

Me? I just sold my 5.6 Ventures. Riding Tensor and Theeve.

Riding the theeves to decide between Venture, Thunder and Theeve for a 8.75+ Truck - would consider waiting for Indy mids or ACE.....but....alos super fucking tempted to just get 8.75 ML and wait for new drops if the Covidapocolypse doen't fuck us all up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: secondhandstoke on March 12, 2020, 06:50:57 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 12, 2020, 06:05:12 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on March 12, 2020, 06:22:15 AM
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Quote from: fang on March 11, 2020, 09:25:27 PM
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Madness back. After months of riding the best, I wanted to be always on the grind. Well, I suddenly want to know control, so I bought thunders again. Help
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I was having this same issue with Ventures and Indys for months. Like, I would set up a board with Indys, skate them, be super into them, and then decide to "try" Ventures again. Then I would love the ventures, tell everyone how I was back on Ventures for life, and the "try" some Indys and begin the cycle again.

For me, posting about it on the internet somehow triggers the change and makes me. So just don't tell people that you like one more and you'll be bale to stick to one?

Also, you sold your Thunders once and are buying them again, right? Maybe that says something.
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Try Tensor. I'm serious.

Otherwise, just don't sell off the trucks so you can rotate out whenever you get cookydooks.

Me? I just sold my 5.6 Ventures. Riding Tensor and Theeve.

Riding the theeves to decide between Venture, Thunder and Theeve for a 8.75+ Truck - would consider waiting for Indy mids or ACE.....but....alos super fucking tempted to just get 8.75 ML and wait for new drops if the Covidapocolypse doen't fuck us all up.

Tensors are junk.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on March 12, 2020, 07:04:31 PM
Quote from: secondhandstoke on March 12, 2020, 06:50:57 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 12, 2020, 06:05:12 PM
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Quote from: FrozenIndustries on March 12, 2020, 06:22:15 AM
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Quote from: fang on March 11, 2020, 09:25:27 PM
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Madness back. After months of riding the best, I wanted to be always on the grind. Well, I suddenly want to know control, so I bought thunders again. Help
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I was having this same issue with Ventures and Indys for months. Like, I would set up a board with Indys, skate them, be super into them, and then decide to "try" Ventures again. Then I would love the ventures, tell everyone how I was back on Ventures for life, and the "try" some Indys and begin the cycle again.

For me, posting about it on the internet somehow triggers the change and makes me. So just don't tell people that you like one more and you'll be bale to stick to one?

Also, you sold your Thunders once and are buying them again, right? Maybe that says something.
[close]

Try Tensor. I'm serious.

Otherwise, just don't sell off the trucks so you can rotate out whenever you get cookydooks.

Me? I just sold my 5.6 Ventures. Riding Tensor and Theeve.

Riding the theeves to decide between Venture, Thunder and Theeve for a 8.75+ Truck - would consider waiting for Indy mids or ACE.....but....alos super fucking tempted to just get 8.75 ML and wait for new drops if the Covidapocolypse doen't fuck us all up.
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Tensors are junk.
Not true. The new ATG skate wonderfully.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on March 12, 2020, 08:11:23 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on March 12, 2020, 06:22:15 AM
Quote from: fang on March 11, 2020, 09:25:27 PM
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Madness back. After months of riding the best, I wanted to be always on the grind. Well, I suddenly want to know control, so I bought thunders again. Help
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I did. Pretty sure my wife is mad at me about this too. I can always get her with the "how much to get your hair done?!" Though. Thunders are great, I ponder that I am just scared to commit to the one brand I'd never commit to in my prime
I was having this same issue with Ventures and Indys for months. Like, I would set up a board with Indys, skate them, be super into them, and then decide to "try" Ventures again. Then I would love the ventures, tell everyone how I was back on Ventures for life, and the "try" some Indys and begin the cycle again.

For me, posting about it on the internet somehow triggers the change and makes me. So just don't tell people that you like one more and you'll be bale to stick to one?

Also, you sold your Thunders once and are buying them again, right? Maybe that says something.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: satan on March 12, 2020, 08:14:20 PM
Quote from: BL0B on March 11, 2020, 09:52:23 PM
Quote from: satan on March 11, 2020, 06:29:47 PM
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Quote from: YungJugg on March 11, 2020, 09:43:53 AM
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jeez, have I really been skating two diff sized trucks this long without noticing?

If that's the case then I'm debating if I should continue or get a new truck. One thrashed grooved truck and one clean truck will certainly look weird.
[close]

samesies.  i run an indy 149 in front and indy 144 in back.  its a killer setup
[close]
My OCD could not handle this..
I just got 159 Ti's from Skate Warehouse.
One has the "Titanium" graphic on the hanger, the other has "Titanium" etched under the hanger in the webbing.
Whatever..
My dumbass decided to measure the hangers..
156mm and 157mm..
Seriously had trouble sleeping last night..
Is it centered? Both wheels off by 0.5mm? One wheel off by 1mm? Will I notice it?
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the screened one is most likely going to have a shittier pivot cup and bushings than the laser.
Yeah. Thanks for that. Kinda..
Tbh, I'd forgot about that until you posted. And I actually got distracted mid-sesh thinking about it. Thanks..
The bushings looked the same color, both that crazy-hyper orange. My older Ti's have mellower orange bushings.
Didn't really look at the pivot cups.
And I was gonna do cast baseplates with Krux bushings anyways..
I should treat this like an exercise to help fight OCD. But it's got me oddly anxious. 1mm! This is madness..


I honestly think the roman numerals thing is an inside joke..
Haha..
I looked too..


Xen. I've got 159's.. And a half dozen unused bushings?
If you want any help getting deeper into the madness just let me know..

edit.. also double checked my magic curb. 139's with classics will just barely touch the hanger in primo position
I guess that curb is pretty small.. makes me wanna measure it..

And did you get the last cheap Theeve 6.5's at Board Paradise?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 12, 2020, 08:45:01 PM
Quote from: backinaction on March 11, 2020, 09:06:46 PM
I was at my parents house and found an old setup that had been given to my sister.  It was a super-abused original Blind Jason Lee American Icons deck - with an Indy stage 5 on one end and a Tracker with a plastic baseplate on the other.

that's cool my sister has a bonkers set up too. It's a bam board in nice condition tho.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 12, 2020, 08:47:31 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 11, 2020, 10:18:15 PM
Quote from: YungJugg on March 11, 2020, 09:52:00 PM
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Quote from: authentic_creed_bratton on March 11, 2020, 02:43:12 PM
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you guys are making me want to get an ace 55 so i can do a 66 on the front and the 55 on the back
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do it, for science
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Always wondered if people ever rode mixed trucks - Thunders on the front, Ventures on the back etc

back in the day. I rode a g&s in the back and a gullwing up front. Sparks from steel and a nose grind dent was the thought.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 13, 2020, 05:05:04 AM
Quote from: fang on March 12, 2020, 08:11:23 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on March 12, 2020, 06:22:15 AM
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Quote from: fang on March 11, 2020, 09:25:27 PM
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Madness back. After months of riding the best, I wanted to be always on the grind. Well, I suddenly want to know control, so I bought thunders again. Help
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I was having this same issue with Ventures and Indys for months. Like, I would set up a board with Indys, skate them, be super into them, and then decide to "try" Ventures again. Then I would love the ventures, tell everyone how I was back on Ventures for life, and the "try" some Indys and begin the cycle again.

For me, posting about it on the internet somehow triggers the change and makes me. So just don't tell people that you like one more and you'll be bale to stick to one?

Also, you sold your Thunders once and are buying them again, right? Maybe that says something.
[close]

I did. Pretty sure my wife is mad at me about this too. I can always get her with the "how much to get your hair done?!" Though. Thunders are great, I ponder that I am just scared to commit to the one brand I'd never commit to in my prime


I hear you. I rode nothing but venture 5.0 lows in my prime, but as hard as I've tried I just can't skate them now. The way I see it, I'm 37 and the amount of time I have left to enjoy skating regularly is not guaranteed. So I'm just going to skate what works for me now, regardless of how much a younger me would have objected.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on March 13, 2020, 01:56:58 PM
I am also using the non guaranteed time left thing. I'm going to be 44 at the end of the month (same bday as Guy, even year). I don't get very much free time. The fact that I've skated pretty good on thunders bothered me a bit. Partially for "what if I would have liked these in my prime?" And partially from fear of change. But I'm starting to just think (trying to that is), if they work now, they are right
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on March 13, 2020, 02:18:34 PM
Quote from: fang on March 13, 2020, 01:56:58 PM
I am also using the non guaranteed time left thing. I'm going to be 44 at the end of the month (same bday as Guy, even year). I don't get very much free time. The fact that I've skated pretty good on thunders bothered me a bit. Partially for "what if I would have liked these in my prime?" And partially from fear of change. But I'm starting to just think (trying to that is), if they work now, they are right
welcome to the club
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hillbilly shifty on March 14, 2020, 09:38:55 PM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  on March 12, 2020, 12:34:31 AM
Can someone post a pic of those roman numbers on stage XI’s? I tried to look both on my 139’s and 149’s last night but couldn’t find shit. Do I have to take my bushings of or can I see it from top?
had to check this out. sure enough there they were, tucked behind the bushing.
IIII on my 144 stage XI
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on March 14, 2020, 11:14:54 PM
How do washer vs no washer perform as far as Bones medium bushings go? Didn’t like the “mush” of the stock Indys (149), yet on my cruiser (159) the stock turn on a dime, unlike my Bones.

Debating if I should shave down or ride em washer-less. I’d experiment myself but figure I’d ask before potentially churning up the bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on March 15, 2020, 12:57:31 AM
Are the cruiser ones broken in more?
No washer usually gives you less rebound and therefore more mush when equally tight, so more sponge, less snap.
 Wouldn‘t really recommend it once the bushings are nicely broken in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 15, 2020, 07:21:08 AM
Anybody ran the Krux pins in forged Thunder plates? If so, how’d you remove the original kingpin, Heat it up in the oven and pound it out?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: christopherwalters on March 15, 2020, 05:48:24 PM
Does anyone know when the new Indy mids are coming out and what the height of those are?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jimgrude on March 15, 2020, 07:02:16 PM
Quote from: christopherwalters on March 15, 2020, 05:48:24 PM
Does anyone know when the new Indy mids are coming out and what the height of those are?
You'll probably hear about it on this thread (https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=106832.0) as soon as anyone knows.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on March 16, 2020, 06:04:36 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on March 15, 2020, 07:21:08 AM
Anybody ran the Krux pins in forged Thunder plates? If so, how’d you remove the original kingpin, Heat it up in the oven and pound it out?

Yes, it was a nightmare. Heated the thing in oven, applied blowtorch to kingpin, hit with a 2lb mini sledge.
If you do heat it make sure the surface you are hitting it on is smooth and apply force on the level, I bent the base plate but had seen enough episodes of "Forged in Fire" to straighten it.
Another top tip is to have the nut on the top of the pin when hammering out, I was hitting the pin directly and rolled it over that I had to take a grinder to remove the lip and get it out.
It was all a lot of fun.
Next thing is the nut sits proud in the forged base so you either grind a corner of the nut or use 1/8 risers.
Happy trails.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on March 17, 2020, 06:37:33 AM
The kingpin broke on my Thunders, and I cant seem to get the bolt out from the base. I'm a pretty handy guy, so it doesnt make any sens to me. Tried with hammer (A very big one), heating it up etc, and it hasent moved a milimeter... Is this normal? New policy to make u buy new trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on March 17, 2020, 06:42:07 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on March 17, 2020, 06:37:33 AM
The kingpin broke on my Thunders, and I cant seem to get the bolt out from the base. I'm a pretty handy guy, so it doesnt make any sens to me. Tried with hammer (A very big one), heating it up etc, and it hasent moved a milimeter... Is this normal? New policy to make u buy new trucks?
Kingpin changes are the worst and I do kinda feel like they were not so hard when I was younger. It was such a hassle changing my kingpin in my tensors I literally just bought a new pair of trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jollyoli on March 17, 2020, 06:52:59 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on March 17, 2020, 06:37:33 AM
The kingpin broke on my Thunders, and I cant seem to get the bolt out from the base. I'm a pretty handy guy, so it doesnt make any sens to me. Tried with hammer (A very big one), heating it up etc, and it hasent moved a milimeter... Is this normal? New policy to make u buy new trucks?

Thunders are the hardest kingpin removal. I had one that had slightly rotated when being pressed in and it took all my gumption to get that out. I also made a small gig from a spark plug socket piece and the remain of the previous pin to keep things in line getting the broken one out. Make sure you are on a hard surface so the impact is going to the pin and not reverbing out. Stick to it, get a bigger hammer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 17, 2020, 08:04:53 AM
Quote from: Jollyoli on March 16, 2020, 06:04:36 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on March 15, 2020, 07:21:08 AM
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Anybody ran the Krux pins in forged Thunder plates? If so, how’d you remove the original kingpin, Heat it up in the oven and pound it out?
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Yes, it was a nightmare. Heated the thing in oven, applied blowtorch to kingpin, hit with a 2lb mini sledge.
If you do heat it make sure the surface you are hitting it on is smooth and apply force on the level, I bent the base plate but had seen enough episodes of "Forged in Fire" to straighten it.
Another top tip is to have the nut on the top of the pin when hammering out, I was hitting the pin directly and rolled it over that I had to take a grinder to remove the lip and get it out.
It was all a lot of fun.
Next thing is the nut sits proud in the forged base so you either grind a corner of the nut or use 1/8 risers.
Happy trails.


Thanks for the heads up, I’ll settle for the cast plates then
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: camel filters on March 17, 2020, 08:16:24 AM
anyone ever used 5.8 ventures on 8.1s? Is it crazy? Wanting a size down but don' want to shell out for new trucks just yet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 17, 2020, 08:25:19 AM
Quote from: camel filters on March 17, 2020, 08:16:24 AM
anyone ever used 5.8 ventures on 8.1s? Is it crazy? Wanting a size down but don' want to shell out for new trucks just yet.

I'm riding an 8.25 with 5.8 Bobby Worrest Ventures. Pretty manageable, definitely feel stable on turns and grinds, extra hanger real estate is nice. The board did have noticeably more heft, added weight slowed flips down a little and my shins caught the hanger a couple of times during the session.

I bought the 5.8 with a forged plate and swapped it out with a cast plate I had from another pair of trucks.

Overall do-able but not the best experience for me after coming up from an 8" with Venture 5.2 Lo V-Hollow. 5.2 on the 8.25 felt to squirrelly, 5.6 would be the best fit. 5.8 would work if you're on a budget.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on March 17, 2020, 06:56:09 PM
My buddy skates 8.25 with 149s, and he has skated my spare 8.125 on his trucks plenty of times and skated exactly as good as he always does. For just trying out you'll be fine for sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: usedtostillskate on March 17, 2020, 07:17:35 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on March 17, 2020, 06:42:07 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on March 17, 2020, 06:37:33 AM
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The kingpin broke on my Thunders, and I cant seem to get the bolt out from the base. I'm a pretty handy guy, so it doesnt make any sens to me. Tried with hammer (A very big one), heating it up etc, and it hasent moved a milimeter... Is this normal? New policy to make u buy new trucks?
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Kingpin changes are the worst and I do kinda feel like they were not so hard when I was younger. It was such a hassle changing my kingpin in my tensors I literally just bought a new pair of trucks
It took me two tries to get the kingpin out of my tensor mag lights but the second time it wasn't too bad. I just sat it on a 2 x 4 and pounded not super hard for a few minutes with a hammer and it worked. I had more difficulty figuring out the washer/bushing/tightness combo to get it close to stock turning which I enjoy in the atgs. I ended up with a bones medium top bushing for the bottom, stock on top and all washers and having it pretty loose. Not too loose though. If you barely leave the nut on with the krux kingpin it'll come off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on March 17, 2020, 07:20:53 PM
I usually skate 8.25 with 149s. feels good, shapes that taper over the tail hot dog a little bit though.

when was the last change to thunders? I found a pair of thunder 149s from probably 2013 when they were still stamped USA but I think after when they were thunder 149ers and really low.

have they been changed since? put them on and have been feeling them and on a dlx kick lately, might cop another pair if they've changed significantly but if not I'll just run them down.
really been loving my ventures too, the purple bushings Xen sent me really got them right, whites were too loose, greens were too hard. I know they're listed as the same Duro but they felt so different.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on March 17, 2020, 08:19:58 PM
How are people finding Ventures for transition and slappies? Obviously not what they’re specifically built for but I’m curious
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on March 17, 2020, 08:24:43 PM
Why are they not built for transition or slappies? Drehobl, Wade and Cardiel all rode them....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on March 17, 2020, 09:50:24 PM
Quote from: texasplant on March 17, 2020, 08:19:58 PM
How are people finding Ventures for transition and slappies? Obviously not what they’re specifically built for but I’m curious
Just skated a brand new pair of 5.6’s on a never skated curb tonight and it was perfectly fine once I got the curb broken in
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on March 17, 2020, 09:57:17 PM
I just screw baseplates into spare 2 x 4 pieces using sheetrock screws and it rarely takes me more than a few wacks of the 4 lb hammer to extract a kingpin.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on March 17, 2020, 09:57:29 PM
They work fine for slappies. Not sure about tranny tho.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on March 18, 2020, 05:32:39 AM
Maybe I’m crazy, but I feel like the 5.6 cast ventures push the wheelbase out more than a 5.2 I need to measure but it felt a little longer. Might switch the plates too since not much is going on

edit- just remembered I marked my deck where the center of axle was and the 825 truck Deff has a wider wheelbase. Going to see if it’s a baseplate issue or how the hangar is
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 18, 2020, 08:03:04 AM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on March 18, 2020, 05:32:39 AM
Maybe I’m crazy, but I feel like the 5.6 cast ventures push the wheelbase out more than a 5.2 I need to measure but it felt a little longer. Might switch the plates too since not much is going on

edit- just remembered I marked my deck where the center of axle was and the 825 truck Deff has a wider wheelbase. Going to see if it’s a baseplate issue or how the hangar is

Gonna need some figures on that champ; understanding was that cast added 3.25", forge added 3.4-3.5"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on March 18, 2020, 08:59:48 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 18, 2020, 08:03:04 AM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on March 18, 2020, 05:32:39 AM
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Maybe I’m crazy, but I feel like the 5.6 cast ventures push the wheelbase out more than a 5.2 I need to measure but it felt a little longer. Might switch the plates too since not much is going on

edit- just remembered I marked my deck where the center of axle was and the 825 truck Deff has a wider wheelbase. Going to see if it’s a baseplate issue or how the hangar is
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Gonna need some figures on that champ; understanding was that cast added 3.25", forge added 3.4-3.5"
Deff being too picky, I got a super slight difference. I think I just have too much time on my hands this morning. Ignore me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on March 18, 2020, 09:25:33 AM
do all companies increase the WB with their forged baseplates?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on March 18, 2020, 09:32:55 AM
Quote from: sketchyrider on March 18, 2020, 09:25:33 AM
do all companies increase the WB with their forged baseplates?
To my knowledge yes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 18, 2020, 09:44:28 AM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on March 18, 2020, 08:59:48 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 18, 2020, 08:03:04 AM
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Quote from: Esmith5488 on March 18, 2020, 05:32:39 AM
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Maybe I’m crazy, but I feel like the 5.6 cast ventures push the wheelbase out more than a 5.2 I need to measure but it felt a little longer. Might switch the plates too since not much is going on

edit- just remembered I marked my deck where the center of axle was and the 825 truck Deff has a wider wheelbase. Going to see if it’s a baseplate issue or how the hangar is
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Gonna need some figures on that champ; understanding was that cast added 3.25", forge added 3.4-3.5"
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Deff being too picky, I got a super slight difference. I think I just have too much time on my hands this morning. Ignore me

The 0.01" is what we live for
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on March 18, 2020, 09:47:04 AM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on March 18, 2020, 05:32:39 AM
Maybe I’m crazy, but I feel like the 5.6 cast ventures push the wheelbase out more than a 5.2 I need to measure but it felt a little longer. Might switch the plates too since not much is going on

edit- just remembered I marked my deck where the center of axle was and the 825 truck Deff has a wider wheelbase. Going to see if it’s a baseplate issue or how the hangar is

This could be the source of error. You should just measure axle to axle with the trucks on and use the avg of that number.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on March 18, 2020, 10:47:03 AM
Quote from: Firebert on March 18, 2020, 09:47:04 AM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on March 18, 2020, 05:32:39 AM
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Maybe I’m crazy, but I feel like the 5.6 cast ventures push the wheelbase out more than a 5.2 I need to measure but it felt a little longer. Might switch the plates too since not much is going on

edit- just remembered I marked my deck where the center of axle was and the 825 truck Deff has a wider wheelbase. Going to see if it’s a baseplate issue or how the hangar is
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This could be the source of error. You should just measure axle to axle with the trucks on and use the avg of that number.

Ended up doing that and I basically just proved to myself that I’m a kook and was thinking too much into it. I long for the times when I could skate any deck and any truck and it wouldn’t matter.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 18, 2020, 06:09:50 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on March 18, 2020, 10:47:03 AM
Quote from: Firebert on March 18, 2020, 09:47:04 AM
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Quote from: Esmith5488 on March 18, 2020, 05:32:39 AM
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Maybe I’m crazy, but I feel like the 5.6 cast ventures push the wheelbase out more than a 5.2 I need to measure but it felt a little longer. Might switch the plates too since not much is going on

edit- just remembered I marked my deck where the center of axle was and the 825 truck Deff has a wider wheelbase. Going to see if it’s a baseplate issue or how the hangar is
[close]

This could be the source of error. You should just measure axle to axle with the trucks on and use the avg of that number.
[close]

Ended up doing that and I basically just proved to myself that I’m a kook and was thinking too much into it. I long for the times when I could skate any deck and any truck and it wouldn’t matter.

innocence lost my friend, and I hate all of you guys for fueling the madness.

(JK you guys rock)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 18, 2020, 08:12:47 PM
Quote from: Weezil on March 17, 2020, 09:57:29 PM
They work fine for slappies. Not sure about tranny tho.

shit works fine.

From freestyle to fricking mega ramp the venture does it all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Maccat on March 20, 2020, 03:46:26 AM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on March 17, 2020, 06:42:07 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on March 17, 2020, 06:37:33 AM
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The kingpin broke on my Thunders, and I cant seem to get the bolt out from the base. I'm a pretty handy guy, so it doesnt make any sens to me. Tried with hammer (A very big one), heating it up etc, and it hasent moved a milimeter... Is this normal? New policy to make u buy new trucks?
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Kingpin changes are the worst and I do kinda feel like they were not so hard when I was younger. It was such a hassle changing my kingpin in my tensors I literally just bought a new pair of trucks

Did the same on some Indys. Those splined pins are such a bitch to put in I just bought new plates and saved myself the hassle.

Hex pins like we always knew were so much better in terms or repair. Can’t it all be so simple?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on March 20, 2020, 12:50:14 PM
Is the axle thread 5/16" on Indy and Thunder?
I gotta buy some new bolts, bcuz the threads are too worn to be safe.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on March 20, 2020, 01:24:24 PM
are you talking about axle nuts??
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: legion on March 20, 2020, 01:42:21 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on March 20, 2020, 12:50:14 PM
Is the axle thread 5/16" on Indy and Thunder?
I gotta buy some new bolts, bcuz the threads are too worn to be safe.
Yeah. 5/16-24. 24 TPI, threads per inch..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on March 20, 2020, 02:10:10 PM
Quote from: legion on March 20, 2020, 01:42:21 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on March 20, 2020, 12:50:14 PM
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Is the axle thread 5/16" on Indy and Thunder?
I gotta buy some new bolts, bcuz the threads are too worn to be safe.
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Yeah. 5/16-24. 24 TPI, threads per inch..

Huh... A 5/16 nut is not enough? It must be 5/16-24? God bless murica...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on March 25, 2020, 10:50:29 AM
Just setup some Ace's, I got sick from Indy bullshit. Also curious about getting some thunders to store after all this covid19 crap is done.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on March 25, 2020, 02:42:41 PM
As I come out of a Michigan winter hibernation, I've found it really helpful getting my tricks back to just shake everything up, regardless of logic or experience.

Had one session on my old Indy Ti 149's, which are going pretty strong despite axle slip.  Switched to my Ace 44's on my second session, and then amidst the global crisis, found it important to support my local, who went online only.

Only REALLY needed a new deck, but decided to buy Venture 6.1's to run on an 8.5 deck.  I figure the shops getting a bit more money, and it will skate like a wider version of 8.25 with 8.5 trucks, which was my ideal setup, pre 144's, 148's, 5.6's etc.

Fuck me!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on March 25, 2020, 03:19:43 PM
Quote from: moonordie on March 25, 2020, 10:50:29 AM
Just setup some Ace's, I got sick from Indy bullshit. Also curious about getting some thunders to store after all this covid19 crap is done.
haven't really been out to skate so haven't taken mine off and swapped them yet but same tbh. not gonna lie 149 stage 11 standards might be my favorite trucks of all time but I haven't been stoked on indy in a long time, same time I haven't really settled into any one brand of trucks, not like I'm getting hooked up anyway.

can't wait till ace makes a 149 size truck if it ends up actually having harder metal, that might cure the itch for me. for now I'm happy skating any of the major brands and swapping them when I get over them, they all have their quirks.

still wondering when the last time thunder got an update though. I got my last pair back in 2013 and while they skate great if they've gotten an update I wanna try new ones. was hating on thunder for a while but I've come around to like the lowness since adjusting to ventures.

still love mushy surfy trucks though, but after skating them a while I start wanting to skate something a little more controlled, then get disappointed that it doesn't turn me into a tech lord instantly and start wanting my old stuff back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on March 25, 2020, 03:35:42 PM
Usually I skate DLX boards. Krooked and Real. I've only skated them with Thunders (also DLX), and I guess they have a some what of a "match" duo to that. But being used to skating in the early 2000's with Grind King trucks, I do find it to require alot of effort.

So indy is the brand with shortest wheelbase? I do have a pair of old indy 139s (10 years old or so, very little used!) :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on March 25, 2020, 03:37:16 PM
Quote from: Weezil on March 25, 2020, 03:19:43 PM
Quote from: moonordie on March 25, 2020, 10:50:29 AM
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Just setup some Ace's, I got sick from Indy bullshit. Also curious about getting some thunders to store after all this covid19 crap is done.
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haven't really been out to skate so haven't taken mine off and swapped them yet but same tbh. not gonna lie 149 stage 11 standards might be my favorite trucks of all time but I haven't been stoked on indy in a long time, same time I haven't really settled into any one brand of trucks, not like I'm getting hooked up anyway.

can't wait till ace makes a 149 size truck if it ends up actually having harder metal, that might cure the itch for me. for now I'm happy skating any of the major brands and swapping them when I get over them, they all have their quirks.

still wondering when the last time thunder got an update though. I got my last pair back in 2013 and while they skate great if they've gotten an update I wanna try new ones. was hating on thunder for a while but I've come around to like the lowness since adjusting to ventures.

still love mushy surfy trucks though, but after skating them a while I start wanting to skate something a little more controlled, then get disappointed that it doesn't turn me into a tech lord instantly and start wanting my old stuff back.

This will probably be me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drewsmahgoos on March 25, 2020, 03:51:42 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on March 18, 2020, 10:47:03 AM
Quote from: Firebert on March 18, 2020, 09:47:04 AM
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Quote from: Esmith5488 on March 18, 2020, 05:32:39 AM
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Maybe I’m crazy, but I feel like the 5.6 cast ventures push the wheelbase out more than a 5.2 I need to measure but it felt a little longer. Might switch the plates too since not much is going on

edit- just remembered I marked my deck where the center of axle was and the 825 truck Deff has a wider wheelbase. Going to see if it’s a baseplate issue or how the hangar is
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This could be the source of error. You should just measure axle to axle with the trucks on and use the avg of that number.
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Ended up doing that and I basically just proved to myself that I’m a kook and was thinking too much into it. I long for the times when I could skate any deck and any truck and it wouldn’t matter.

I used to long for that as well and then realized there were long periods of time where I would skate shittier than usual and I just lacked the awareness to understand why. At least I have an answer(s) now.
Quote from: Weezil on March 25, 2020, 03:19:43 PM
Quote from: moonordie on March 25, 2020, 10:50:29 AM
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Just setup some Ace's, I got sick from Indy bullshit. Also curious about getting some thunders to store after all this covid19 crap is done.
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haven't really been out to skate so haven't taken mine off and swapped them yet but same tbh. not gonna lie 149 stage 11 standards might be my favorite trucks of all time but I haven't been stoked on indy in a long time, same time I haven't really settled into any one brand of trucks, not like I'm getting hooked up anyway.

can't wait till ace makes a 149 size truck if it ends up actually having harder metal, that might cure the itch for me. for now I'm happy skating any of the major brands and swapping them when I get over them, they all have their quirks.

still wondering when the last time thunder got an update though. I got my last pair back in 2013 and while they skate great if they've gotten an update I wanna try new ones. was hating on thunder for a while but I've come around to like the lowness since adjusting to ventures.

still love mushy surfy trucks though, but after skating them a while I start wanting to skate something a little more controlled, then get disappointed that it doesn't turn me into a tech lord instantly and start wanting my old stuff back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on March 25, 2020, 04:05:16 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on March 25, 2020, 03:35:42 PM
Usually I skate DLX boards. Krooked and Real. I've only skated them with Thunders (also DLX), and I guess they have a some what of a "match" duo to that. But being used to skating in the early 2000's with Grind King trucks, I do find it to require alot of effort.

So indy is the brand with shortest wheelbase? I do have a pair of old indy 139s (10 years old or so, very little used!) :D

Indy is kind of middle of the road. The shortest ones I own are Ace, Theeve, and Film raw (but not hollow). Here's a handy (albeit somewhat outdated) chart

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fq4An-DEfqc/T8URoZ_4GFI/AAAAAAAAAs8/MCWo3sQAtcg/s1600/149+axle+placement.jpg

or here's a more recent list, although this relies on crowd-sourced data so there's no real guarantee that it's accurate but it should give you a decent idea of what to expect

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108580.0


Welcome to the madness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZxbjxE62h4
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 25, 2020, 04:29:24 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on March 25, 2020, 03:35:42 PM
Usually I skate DLX boards. Krooked and Real. I've only skated them with Thunders (also DLX), and I guess they have a some what of a "match" duo to that. But being used to skating in the early 2000's with Grind King trucks, I do find it to require alot of effort.

So indy is the brand with shortest wheelbase? I do have a pair of old indy 139s (10 years old or so, very little used!) :D

did you ride gk high or lows?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on March 25, 2020, 04:49:04 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on March 25, 2020, 03:35:42 PM
Usually I skate DLX boards. Krooked and Real. I've only skated them with Thunders (also DLX), and I guess they have a some what of a "match" duo to that. But being used to skating in the early 2000's with Grind King trucks, I do find it to require alot of effort.

So indy is the brand with shortest wheelbase? I do have a pair of old indy 139s (10 years old or so, very little used!) :D
Ace has the shortest wb if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: secondhandstoke on March 25, 2020, 05:01:40 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on March 25, 2020, 04:29:24 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on March 25, 2020, 03:35:42 PM
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Usually I skate DLX boards. Krooked and Real. I've only skated them with Thunders (also DLX), and I guess they have a some what of a "match" duo to that. But being used to skating in the early 2000's with Grind King trucks, I do find it to require alot of effort.

So indy is the brand with shortest wheelbase? I do have a pair of old indy 139s (10 years old or so, very little used!) :D
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did you ride gk high or lows?

highs give me better pop
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on March 25, 2020, 05:47:47 PM
Hey buttfart, can you give actual measurement of film axle?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on March 25, 2020, 07:10:47 PM
decided to run my front truck almost rattling and the rear a little bit looser than stock with my thunders today and man have i been missing out. turning radius is freed up and i dont have to move so awkwardly/tic tac around in the pool im learning to skate.

swearing off of riding both trucks same tightness

e: i feel like all my truck turning grades have been completely unfair :-\
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 25, 2020, 07:14:09 PM
Quote from: off on March 25, 2020, 07:10:47 PM
decided to run my front truck almost rattling and the rear a little bit looser than stock with my thunders today and man have i been missing out. turning radius is freed up and i dont have to move so awkwardly/tic tac around in the pool im learning to skate.

swearing off of riding both trucks same tightness

Same - front truck wobbly loose, back truck 1/2 a turn tighter than the front. Problem is I have to keep tightening my front nut between tricks when I'm on Tensors and Bones Soft Bushing. Didn't have this problem with Ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on March 25, 2020, 07:24:47 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 25, 2020, 07:14:09 PM
Quote from: off on March 25, 2020, 07:10:47 PM
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decided to run my front truck almost rattling and the rear a little bit looser than stock with my thunders today and man have i been missing out. turning radius is freed up and i dont have to move so awkwardly/tic tac around in the pool im learning to skate.

swearing off of riding both trucks same tightness
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Same - front truck wobbly loose, back truck 1/2 a turn tighter than the front. Problem is I have to keep tightening my front nut between tricks when I'm on Tensors and Bones Soft Bushing. Didn't have this problem with Ventures.
try shaving them down. i do that with all my bushings so the nut can be flush and the trucks still wiggle a little. it might make more sense with harder duros but im not sure
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 25, 2020, 08:23:03 PM
Quote from: secondhandstoke on March 25, 2020, 05:01:40 PM
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Usually I skate DLX boards. Krooked and Real. I've only skated them with Thunders (also DLX), and I guess they have a some what of a "match" duo to that. But being used to skating in the early 2000's with Grind King trucks, I do find it to require alot of effort.

So indy is the brand with shortest wheelbase? I do have a pair of old indy 139s (10 years old or so, very little used!) :D
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did you ride gk high or lows?
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highs give me better pop

I liked those too.

You likely would like the ace if you liked gk highs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on March 25, 2020, 09:15:31 PM
Quote from: off on March 25, 2020, 07:24:47 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 25, 2020, 07:14:09 PM
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decided to run my front truck almost rattling and the rear a little bit looser than stock with my thunders today and man have i been missing out. turning radius is freed up and i dont have to move so awkwardly/tic tac around in the pool im learning to skate.

swearing off of riding both trucks same tightness
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Same - front truck wobbly loose, back truck 1/2 a turn tighter than the front. Problem is I have to keep tightening my front nut between tricks when I'm on Tensors and Bones Soft Bushing. Didn't have this problem with Ventures.
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try shaving them down. i do that with all my bushings so the nut can be flush and the trucks still wiggle a little. it might make more sense with harder duros but im not sure
Damn,  better late than never. I’ve always needed the front a half to full turn or so looser, always a better ride. My nut does get loose while on Bones mediums so I gotta shave it down
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Daniel-J on March 26, 2020, 02:27:32 AM
Usually I take my skateboard from my brother, he has a lot of them, he repairs and creates them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Current Capeless on March 26, 2020, 04:19:48 AM
Hi guys,

im riding Indys 159 with soft bones bushings and i love how it turns.
The bushings brake way too often and im thinking about downsizing my boards to an 8,4 - 8,5.
My question is what size ACEs should i get and how will they get comparable loose enough?
Stock bushings without washers? Other bushing brands?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on March 26, 2020, 05:07:56 AM
Quote from: Current Capeless on March 26, 2020, 04:19:48 AM
Hi guys,

im riding Indys 159 with soft bones bushings and i love how it turns.
The bushings brake way too often and im thinking about downsizing my boards to an 8,4 - 8,5.
My question is what size ACEs should i get and how will they get comparable loose enough?
Stock bushings without washers? Other bushing brands?

Thanks!
44 and don't touch the bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on March 26, 2020, 05:14:11 AM
Quote from: moonordie on March 26, 2020, 05:07:56 AM
Quote from: Current Capeless on March 26, 2020, 04:19:48 AM
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Hi guys,

im riding Indys 159 with soft bones bushings and i love how it turns.
The bushings brake way too often and im thinking about downsizing my boards to an 8,4 - 8,5.
My question is what size ACEs should i get and how will they get comparable loose enough?
Stock bushings without washers? Other bushing brands?

Thanks!
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44 and don't touch the bushings
Keep stock bushings but change top washer to bones one.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Current Capeless on March 26, 2020, 05:26:05 AM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  on March 26, 2020, 05:14:11 AM
Quote from: moonordie on March 26, 2020, 05:07:56 AM
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Quote from: Current Capeless on March 26, 2020, 04:19:48 AM
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Hi guys,

im riding Indys 159 with soft bones bushings and i love how it turns.
The bushings brake way too often and im thinking about downsizing my boards to an 8,4 - 8,5.
My question is what size ACEs should i get and how will they get comparable loose enough?
Stock bushings without washers? Other bushing brands?

Thanks!
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44 and don't touch the bushings
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Keep stock bushings but change top washer to bones one.

Thank you, i will try this. Im getting so sick of broken bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on March 26, 2020, 05:30:21 AM
Yesterday I did something I haven't done in years: I tightened up my trucks (Venture Hi's) a bit and holy shit, it was like activating a cheat code.  I went from having them as loose as possible (for Ventures) and brought them to about medium/almost medium-tight.

For a long time i rode my trucks very loose and enjoyed the feeling, but noticed I was losing tricks, so I just chalked it up to getting older, having destroyed ankles, and not skating as much.

Bullshit, I landed tricks I haven't done in years last night and popped higher than I've popped in a long time. I'm going to stay like this from now on, I skate better this way and the feeling is comfortable. They turn well enough that I barely notice it and my manual balance is as good as it's ever been.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 26, 2020, 07:17:09 AM
Quote from: TheBoognish on March 26, 2020, 05:30:21 AM
Yesterday I did something I haven't done in years: I tightened up my trucks (Venture Hi's) a bit and holy shit, it was like activating a cheat code.  I went from having them as loose as possible (for Ventures) and brought them to about medium/almost medium-tight.

For a long time i rode my trucks very loose and enjoyed the feeling, but noticed I was losing tricks, so I just chalked it up to getting older, having destroyed ankles, and not skating as much.

Bullshit, I landed tricks I haven't done in years last night and popped higher than I've popped in a long time. I'm going to stay like this from now on, I skate better this way and the feeling is comfortable. They turn well enough that I barely notice it and my manual balance is as good as it's ever been.

Dude I don't need more truck madness!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on March 26, 2020, 09:09:27 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 26, 2020, 07:17:09 AM
Quote from: TheBoognish on March 26, 2020, 05:30:21 AM
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Yesterday I did something I haven't done in years: I tightened up my trucks (Venture Hi's) a bit and holy shit, it was like activating a cheat code.  I went from having them as loose as possible (for Ventures) and brought them to about medium/almost medium-tight.

For a long time i rode my trucks very loose and enjoyed the feeling, but noticed I was losing tricks, so I just chalked it up to getting older, having destroyed ankles, and not skating as much.

Bullshit, I landed tricks I haven't done in years last night and popped higher than I've popped in a long time. I'm going to stay like this from now on, I skate better this way and the feeling is comfortable. They turn well enough that I barely notice it and my manual balance is as good as it's ever been.
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Dude I don't need more truck madness!
Same here, in pretty much set on getting some Thunders but Venture is knocking on my door. Only set I've ever had was back in 2013 and I remember the turning was not that good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on March 26, 2020, 09:24:08 AM
Quote from: moonordie on March 26, 2020, 09:09:27 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 26, 2020, 07:17:09 AM
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Quote from: TheBoognish on March 26, 2020, 05:30:21 AM
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Yesterday I did something I haven't done in years: I tightened up my trucks (Venture Hi's) a bit and holy shit, it was like activating a cheat code.  I went from having them as loose as possible (for Ventures) and brought them to about medium/almost medium-tight.

For a long time i rode my trucks very loose and enjoyed the feeling, but noticed I was losing tricks, so I just chalked it up to getting older, having destroyed ankles, and not skating as much.

Bullshit, I landed tricks I haven't done in years last night and popped higher than I've popped in a long time. I'm going to stay like this from now on, I skate better this way and the feeling is comfortable. They turn well enough that I barely notice it and my manual balance is as good as it's ever been.
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Dude I don't need more truck madness!
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Same here, in pretty much set on getting some Thunders but Venture is knocking on my door. Only set I've ever had was back in 2013 and I remember the turning was not that good.

Not the deepest turn but they turn fine for me. The trick stability more than makes up for it. I cant skate Thunders for shit, the second I apply a tiny bit of weight to turn, they wheelbite like crazy. I could never get used to Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on March 26, 2020, 09:38:35 AM
Quote from: TheBoognish on March 26, 2020, 09:24:08 AM
Quote from: moonordie on March 26, 2020, 09:09:27 AM
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Quote from: rocklobster on March 26, 2020, 07:17:09 AM
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Quote from: TheBoognish on March 26, 2020, 05:30:21 AM
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Yesterday I did something I haven't done in years: I tightened up my trucks (Venture Hi's) a bit and holy shit, it was like activating a cheat code.  I went from having them as loose as possible (for Ventures) and brought them to about medium/almost medium-tight.

For a long time i rode my trucks very loose and enjoyed the feeling, but noticed I was losing tricks, so I just chalked it up to getting older, having destroyed ankles, and not skating as much.

Bullshit, I landed tricks I haven't done in years last night and popped higher than I've popped in a long time. I'm going to stay like this from now on, I skate better this way and the feeling is comfortable. They turn well enough that I barely notice it and my manual balance is as good as it's ever been.
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Dude I don't need more truck madness!
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Same here, in pretty much set on getting some Thunders but Venture is knocking on my door. Only set I've ever had was back in 2013 and I remember the turning was not that good.
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Not the deepest turn but they turn fine for me. The trick stability more than makes up for it. I cant skate Thunders for shit, the second I apply a tiny bit of weight to turn, they wheelbite like crazy. I could never get used to Thunders.
Same thing happens to me, now I feel like ventures... Also I feel like a truck whore.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sadnocomply on March 26, 2020, 10:11:07 AM
I always skated indys as a youngin and few thunders here and there. Just switched to venture this year and I can attest to getting so many tricks back with their stability. I ride everything stock I’ve been crumbling the bushings with the washers binding (I’m on my second set of stock bushings 3 full months of skating) but holy shit I’m more confident on my board than when I was 16. Ripping hills and tranny harder than before and skating sets and ledges in the streets hell even my mannys improved. 5.6 hi on my 8.1-8.25 setups and 5.8 on my big bois. Just really wanted to get away from indy and I’m never looking back. Idk why but ace, thunder, krux, theeve, indy, gk, tensor, all those brands just don’t appeal to me. Guess I’m a venture whore now fuck it! I have tried these trucks comfortably from 14-14.38 wheelbases. It’s the blessed zone.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on March 26, 2020, 10:13:19 AM
Shit man, just here to confirm the stability if anyone here is on the fence about getting a set. Been more comfortable than I’ve been in years on my set of hi’s.
Bummed it didn’t try venture earlier
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on March 26, 2020, 10:15:40 AM
You got me with the stability. As soon things get little less crazy I'll get some.
Is kinda hard to find them here but I saw some Worrest ones on my size
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sadnocomply on March 26, 2020, 10:16:22 AM
Same af^ also helps that I love kader, yuto, & worrest. I had to rep my dudes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 26, 2020, 12:40:45 PM
How do you guys minimize the height of bottom bushings?

I just sanded mine down with some spare griptape.
Took forever tho ^^
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on March 26, 2020, 12:48:16 PM
i use a sanding drum in a drill press or my bench sander
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 26, 2020, 01:01:48 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on March 26, 2020, 12:40:45 PM
How do you guys minimize the height of bottom bushings?

I just sanded mine down with some spare griptape.
Took forever tho ^^

I haven’t done bottom bushings but for top bushings I take the top washer off, then tighten the kingpin nut just enough where the bushing is held in place on the king pin. Then I press the blade of a sharp pocket knife into the bushing, turn the bushing, press, turn, etc...until the right amount is either scored or cut through. If it isn’t cut all the way through then I take the bushing out and finish cutting through with the knife, which is pretty easy because it’s already deeply scored. Then I rub the rough edge of the bushing on the grip tape of an old board until it’s flush and not all raggedy looking. Doesn’t take very long to do it this way and it takes no power tools, if you don’t have them or if you are doing it late at night and trying not to wake the household.

I imagine this would work the same way for bottom bushings.

Otherwise, I just buy smaller bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 26, 2020, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on March 26, 2020, 01:01:48 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on March 26, 2020, 12:40:45 PM
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How do you guys minimize the height of bottom bushings?

I just sanded mine down with some spare griptape.
Took forever tho ^^
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I haven’t done bottom bushings but for top bushings I take the top washer off, then tighten the kingpin nut just enough where the bushing is held in place on the king pin. Then I press the blade of a sharp pocket knife into the bushing, turn the bushing, press, turn, etc...until the right amount is either scored or cut through. If it isn’t cut all the way through then I take the bushing out and finish cutting through with the knife, which is pretty easy because it’s already deeply scored. Then I rub the rough edge of the bushing on the grip tape of an old board until it’s flush and not all raggedy looking. Doesn’t take very long to do it this way and it takes no power tools, if you don’t have them or if you are doing it late at night and trying not to wake the household.

I imagine this would work the same way for bottom bushings.

Otherwise, I just buy smaller bushings

Damn that is genius. Will try it next time.
I cut a good part of my kingpins off and new indy conical bushings didn't fit. So I just went for a little cruise, my bottom bushings are way to low now, my trucks are Matt Rodriguez loose. I put new bottoms in and sand down the top bushings. Note to myself, don't fuck with bottom bushings.
When did you guys realize that you got truck madness? ^^
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: weedgod94 on March 26, 2020, 01:39:53 PM
i want to buy a taller longboard size cone to run on the bottom with no washer. anyone done this? seems like you'd get more turn without having to shave your bushings or run rattling trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 26, 2020, 01:53:44 PM
Quote from: TheBoognish on March 26, 2020, 05:30:21 AM
Yesterday I did something I haven't done in years: I tightened up my trucks (Venture Hi's) a bit and holy shit, it was like activating a cheat code.  I went from having them as loose as possible (for Ventures) and brought them to about medium/almost medium-tight.

For a long time i rode my trucks very loose and enjoyed the feeling, but noticed I was losing tricks, so I just chalked it up to getting older, having destroyed ankles, and not skating as much.

Bullshit, I landed tricks I haven't done in years last night and popped higher than I've popped in a long time. I'm going to stay like this from now on, I skate better this way and the feeling is comfortable. They turn well enough that I barely notice it and my manual balance is as good as it's ever been.

i would get speed wobble and die on a tight truck board. I have no idea why people think its backwards
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on March 26, 2020, 02:04:32 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on March 26, 2020, 01:53:44 PM
Quote from: TheBoognish on March 26, 2020, 05:30:21 AM
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Yesterday I did something I haven't done in years: I tightened up my trucks (Venture Hi's) a bit and holy shit, it was like activating a cheat code.  I went from having them as loose as possible (for Ventures) and brought them to about medium/almost medium-tight.

For a long time i rode my trucks very loose and enjoyed the feeling, but noticed I was losing tricks, so I just chalked it up to getting older, having destroyed ankles, and not skating as much.

Bullshit, I landed tricks I haven't done in years last night and popped higher than I've popped in a long time. I'm going to stay like this from now on, I skate better this way and the feeling is comfortable. They turn well enough that I barely notice it and my manual balance is as good as it's ever been.
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i would get speed wobble and die on a tight truck board. I have no idea why people think its backwards

Do you even baum tho
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 26, 2020, 02:33:34 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on March 26, 2020, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on March 26, 2020, 01:01:48 PM
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Quote from: fs1/2cab on March 26, 2020, 12:40:45 PM
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How do you guys minimize the height of bottom bushings?

I just sanded mine down with some spare griptape.
Took forever tho ^^
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I haven’t done bottom bushings but for top bushings I take the top washer off, then tighten the kingpin nut just enough where the bushing is held in place on the king pin. Then I press the blade of a sharp pocket knife into the bushing, turn the bushing, press, turn, etc...until the right amount is either scored or cut through. If it isn’t cut all the way through then I take the bushing out and finish cutting through with the knife, which is pretty easy because it’s already deeply scored. Then I rub the rough edge of the bushing on the grip tape of an old board until it’s flush and not all raggedy looking. Doesn’t take very long to do it this way and it takes no power tools, if you don’t have them or if you are doing it late at night and trying not to wake the household.

I imagine this would work the same way for bottom bushings.

Otherwise, I just buy smaller bushings
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Damn that is genius. Will try it next time.
I cut a good part of my kingpins off and new indy conical bushings didn't fit. So I just went for a little cruise, my bottom bushings are way to low now, my trucks are Matt Rodriguez loose. I put new bottoms in and sand down the top bushings. Note to myself, don't fuck with bottom bushings.
When did you guys realize that you got truck madness? ^^

Thanks! Please let me know if you figure out any ways to make that easier!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 26, 2020, 03:25:32 PM
Quote from: Firebert on March 26, 2020, 02:04:32 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on March 26, 2020, 01:53:44 PM
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Quote from: TheBoognish on March 26, 2020, 05:30:21 AM
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Yesterday I did something I haven't done in years: I tightened up my trucks (Venture Hi's) a bit and holy shit, it was like activating a cheat code.  I went from having them as loose as possible (for Ventures) and brought them to about medium/almost medium-tight.

For a long time i rode my trucks very loose and enjoyed the feeling, but noticed I was losing tricks, so I just chalked it up to getting older, having destroyed ankles, and not skating as much.

Bullshit, I landed tricks I haven't done in years last night and popped higher than I've popped in a long time. I'm going to stay like this from now on, I skate better this way and the feeling is comfortable. They turn well enough that I barely notice it and my manual balance is as good as it's ever been.
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i would get speed wobble and die on a tight truck board. I have no idea why people think its backwards
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Do you even baum tho

tiger style. Ill baum any hill on planet earth for weed
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 26, 2020, 06:48:03 PM
Quote from: moonordie on March 26, 2020, 10:15:40 AM
You got me with the stability. As soon things get little less crazy I'll get some.
Is kinda hard to find them here but I saw some Worrest ones on my size

https://www.zumiez.com/venture-worrest-awake-polished-5-8-skateboard-truck.html

$30 for the pair

You guys are right about Venture stability - they don't turn as carvy as Indys or Thunders but you can't beat the grind feel on Ventures. Stable for flat ground and of course that pinch especially with the Low version of trucks.

The metal on Ventures is harder so I find the grind feel more pleasant - you can feel the metal on metal grind. Tensors are incredibly light and the metal is very soft, I can feel the ledge cutting into my truck doing more forceful grinds (crooked grinds). I can feel a pretty deep gash on my my front truck after 4 sessions at my local park.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on March 26, 2020, 07:11:58 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 26, 2020, 06:48:03 PM
Quote from: moonordie on March 26, 2020, 10:15:40 AM
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You got me with the stability. As soon things get little less crazy I'll get some.
Is kinda hard to find them here but I saw some Worrest ones on my size
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https://www.zumiez.com/venture-worrest-awake-polished-5-8-skateboard-truck.html

$30 for the pair

You guys are right about Venture stability - they don't turn as carvy as Indys or Thunders but you can't beat the grind feel on Ventures. Stable for flat ground and of course that pinch especially with the Low version of trucks.

The metal on Ventures is harder so I find the grind feel more pleasant - you can feel the metal on metal grind. Tensors are incredibly light and the metal is very soft, I can feel the ledge cutting into my truck doing more forceful grinds (crooked grinds). I can feel a pretty deep gash on my my front truck after 4 sessions at my local park.

While I loved how my crook groove looked on the tensors I hated that I got it in two sessions
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Juanjo789 on March 26, 2020, 07:26:21 PM
so i skated a very mellow 8.5 deck with 14.75 wheelbase and loved the pop feel with aces, its hard to find that wheelbase where im from , will 14.5 feel too different? is there a way to replicate that feeling without changing my trucks?
 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on March 26, 2020, 08:08:30 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 26, 2020, 06:48:03 PM
Quote from: moonordie on March 26, 2020, 10:15:40 AM
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You got me with the stability. As soon things get little less crazy I'll get some.
Is kinda hard to find them here but I saw some Worrest ones on my size
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https://www.zumiez.com/venture-worrest-awake-polished-5-8-skateboard-truck.html

$30 for the pair

You guys are right about Venture stability - they don't turn as carvy as Indys or Thunders but you can't beat the grind feel on Ventures. Stable for flat ground and of course that pinch especially with the Low version of trucks.

The metal on Ventures is harder so I find the grind feel more pleasant - you can feel the metal on metal grind. Tensors are incredibly light and the metal is very soft, I can feel the ledge cutting into my truck doing more forceful grinds (crooked grinds). I can feel a pretty deep gash on my my front truck after 4 sessions at my local park.
Thanks for the link but in not from the US, found the same ones but with red baseplate.
Still not sure about those or Thunders :/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 26, 2020, 08:43:09 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on March 26, 2020, 07:11:58 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 26, 2020, 06:48:03 PM
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Quote from: moonordie on March 26, 2020, 10:15:40 AM
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You got me with the stability. As soon things get little less crazy I'll get some.
Is kinda hard to find them here but I saw some Worrest ones on my size
[close]

https://www.zumiez.com/venture-worrest-awake-polished-5-8-skateboard-truck.html

$30 for the pair

You guys are right about Venture stability - they don't turn as carvy as Indys or Thunders but you can't beat the grind feel on Ventures. Stable for flat ground and of course that pinch especially with the Low version of trucks.

The metal on Ventures is harder so I find the grind feel more pleasant - you can feel the metal on metal grind. Tensors are incredibly light and the metal is very soft, I can feel the ledge cutting into my truck doing more forceful grinds (crooked grinds). I can feel a pretty deep gash on my my front truck after 4 sessions at my local park.
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While I loved how my crook groove looked on the tensors I hated that I got it in two sessions

It looks gnarly but I find myself sticking more frequently and the grind unpredictable - sometimes I'll glide right through like a hot knife through butter, other times I'll grind smooth and it will slow down and stick midway. I got some marble ledges near my home, I'll try the Tensors there this weekend.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 27, 2020, 05:32:38 AM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on March 26, 2020, 02:33:34 PM
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How do you guys minimize the height of bottom bushings?

I just sanded mine down with some spare griptape.
Took forever tho ^^
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I haven’t done bottom bushings but for top bushings I take the top washer off, then tighten the kingpin nut just enough where the bushing is held in place on the king pin. Then I press the blade of a sharp pocket knife into the bushing, turn the bushing, press, turn, etc...until the right amount is either scored or cut through. If it isn’t cut all the way through then I take the bushing out and finish cutting through with the knife, which is pretty easy because it’s already deeply scored. Then I rub the rough edge of the bushing on the grip tape of an old board until it’s flush and not all raggedy looking. Doesn’t take very long to do it this way and it takes no power tools, if you don’t have them or if you are doing it late at night and trying not to wake the household.

I imagine this would work the same way for bottom bushings.

Otherwise, I just buy smaller bushings
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Damn that is genius. Will try it next time.
I cut a good part of my kingpins off and new indy conical bushings didn't fit. So I just went for a little cruise, my bottom bushings are way to low now, my trucks are Matt Rodriguez loose. I put new bottoms in and sand down the top bushings. Note to myself, don't fuck with bottom bushings.
When did you guys realize that you got truck madness? ^^
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Thanks! Please let me know if you figure out any ways to make that easier!

I made some noise and annoyed my neighbor but I am stoked how my trucks ride now. Feels very smooth. I don't know the english name of the tool I used.

(https://s19.directupload.net/images/200327/xltvsazb.jpg) (https://www.directupload.net)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on March 27, 2020, 03:37:42 PM
I got a good and satisfying challenge for my bored and mad brain today.
(https://i.ibb.co/xF7JSzc/817-B59-C3-6868-4662-A6-F8-22-FD90-A3-DC2-C.jpg)

had some trouble with my ace 66, pivot cup got shredded and the kingpin is so loose , the bushings were flopping around, so I had to come up with some bushings that I need to tighten harder and still have a loose, smooth turn.
Bones top and bottom with ace top washer on the bottom and bones and Indy washers on the top.
Works perfectly
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on March 28, 2020, 12:25:40 PM
Bought some Thunder bushings, 95A, medium. Holy smokes they are hard.
I'm 190lbs, and with the nut flush with the kingpin, they are super stiff...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 28, 2020, 01:06:13 PM
Got back on the aces today.

Yeah I thought I had the ventures highs turning like the ace but no.

I just basically got use to it by bending it to my will.

I apologize to anyone who believed me when I said I got a venture as loose as my aces.

I was wrong
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on March 28, 2020, 04:02:36 PM
pals on thunders (forged preferably, but cast is fine too) what is the biggest mm wheel you will run without risers?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on March 28, 2020, 04:13:25 PM
Quote from: off on March 28, 2020, 04:02:36 PM
pals on thunders (forged preferably, but cast is fine too) what is the biggest mm wheel you will run without risers?

That depends. What size thunders were you planning on buying?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solid bowlcut on March 28, 2020, 04:36:07 PM
Quote from: off on March 28, 2020, 04:02:36 PM
pals on thunders (forged preferably, but cast is fine too) what is the biggest mm wheel you will run without risers?

I run 54mm on 148 and about medium looseness, no problems at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on March 28, 2020, 05:29:06 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on March 28, 2020, 01:06:13 PM
Got back on the aces today.

Yeah I thought I had the ventures highs turning like the ace but no.

I just basically got use to it by bending it to my will.

I apologize to anyone who believed me when I said I got a venture as loose as my aces.

I was wrong

did not believe it, but respect. gotta take people’s anecdotes with a grain of salt in madness threads. perception is a bitch.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on March 28, 2020, 07:35:51 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on March 28, 2020, 04:13:25 PM
Quote from: off on March 28, 2020, 04:02:36 PM
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pals on thunders (forged preferably, but cast is fine too) what is the biggest mm wheel you will run without risers?
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That depends. What size thunders were you planning on buying?
i own two pairs of forged thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on March 28, 2020, 07:36:37 PM
Quote from: off on March 28, 2020, 04:02:36 PM
pals on thunders (forged preferably, but cast is fine too) what is the biggest mm wheel you will run without risers?

151 regular baseplates. I need risers for pretty much any size wheel but I ride loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on March 28, 2020, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on March 28, 2020, 07:36:37 PM
Quote from: off on March 28, 2020, 04:02:36 PM
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pals on thunders (forged preferably, but cast is fine too) what is the biggest mm wheel you will run without risers?
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151 regular baseplates. I need risers for pretty much any size wheel but I ride loose.
im on 151 forged, almost rattly loose in the front. think im gonna have to make wheel wells to ride 54s or just avoid them altogether.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Quique on March 28, 2020, 11:24:18 PM
I have an 8.6 deck,151 lights with radial slims 51mm, I ended up putting risers. But now I can go up to 55 lockins no problem.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on March 29, 2020, 03:45:39 AM
Quote from: kike on March 28, 2020, 11:24:18 PM
I have an 8.6 deck,151 lights with radial slims 51mm, I ended up putting risers. But now I can go up to 55 lockins no problem.
havent been feeling risers lately, i like the lower feeling but dont want to have to buy new wheels every minute. might just have to ride the 53s and if i die i die
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on March 29, 2020, 09:52:11 AM
I did a little test. iPhone has a built in leveler. So I measured my boards angle at the bolts with the tail pressed down.
Result? Both had 31 degree angle. Which confirms my suspicion that the difference in height, will actually make them equal in angle. In theory, these trucks should have equal pop feel, in terms of angle. But ofc, indys are heavier.
And there might be some production variance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on March 29, 2020, 10:43:36 AM
Did you really think different trucks make your board change shape? Good going there buddy, glad you could confirm it didn't.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on March 29, 2020, 11:01:35 AM
Quote from: bbk on March 29, 2020, 10:43:36 AM
Did you really think different trucks make your board change shape? Good going there buddy, glad you could confirm it didn't.

Where did I claim that?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on March 29, 2020, 07:52:24 PM
To semi pacify madness, I've decided to have 3 setups, each with different trucks.
Nostalgia setup: Blind Lotti football with Indys
Trying something different setup: business and company 8.12 with thunder 147.
Safety net setup: deck TBD, Venture lo 5.2

Not sure what deck with the venture trucks yet. To add to the crazy, I have different shoes for each. In theory that will keep that "same feel" to each situation.

I also learned that my ankle is still weak af from tearing tendons in December so I can't really do any tricks currently anyway, just roll in my driveway

I also feel like when my job is pissing me off, it comes out in my personal life via truck madness. Like my mind is trying to find some place to put the inner quarrel, coupled with me watching old skate vids daily and having mot skated since before Xmas
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 29, 2020, 10:35:00 PM
So you wear a Nike on your right and a DC on your left?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on March 30, 2020, 07:21:38 AM
Quote from: Banned from the room on March 28, 2020, 01:06:13 PM
Got back on the aces today.

Yeah I thought I had the ventures highs turning like the ace but no.

I just basically got use to it by bending it to my will.

I apologize to anyone who believed me when I said I got a venture as loose as my aces.

I was wrong
It's okay, we have all been blinded by stoke in the past. We didn't believe you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 30, 2020, 11:37:58 AM
Koston's current setup.  He redrilled the rear of the baseplate?

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49717352271_d386776530_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: legion on March 30, 2020, 12:53:41 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on March 30, 2020, 11:37:58 AM
Koston's current setup.  He redrilled the rear of the baseplate?

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49717352271_d386776530_z.jpg)
Would have to be 8 holes on each baseplate, hanger is blocking the view.
3/8" offset for each baseplate, looks like he's shortening the wheelbase by 3/4".
He must not like that Venture pop and be trying for Indy ghost pop?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PeskOne on March 31, 2020, 08:10:02 AM
What do you guys think about 5.6 venture trucks to 8 board? The only 8 trucks i can skate is thunder but i want to try venture again. Ordered the 5.6 8.25 axle. Indy 144 works with 8 board without bolts sticking out. I just wonder if venture may be the best 8 truck out there and i made a mistake.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 31, 2020, 09:30:16 AM
Quote from: PeskOne on March 31, 2020, 08:10:02 AM
What do you guys think about 5.6 venture trucks to 8 board? The only 8 trucks i can skate is thunder but i want to try venture again. Ordered the 5.6 8.25 axle. Indy 144 works with 8 board without bolts sticking out. I just wonder if venture may be the best 8 truck out there and i made a mistake.

It may stick out slightly but nothing to get stressed about. I'm becoming a fan of riding slightly wider trucks than my board - more stable and lots of room for grinds. Can't go wrong with the 5.2 or 5.6 IMO - 5.2 will be more nimble for flips, 5.6 would give more stability.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PeskOne on March 31, 2020, 09:39:44 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 31, 2020, 09:30:16 AM
Quote from: PeskOne on March 31, 2020, 08:10:02 AM
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What do you guys think about 5.6 venture trucks to 8 board? The only 8 trucks i can skate is thunder but i want to try venture again. Ordered the 5.6 8.25 axle. Indy 144 works with 8 board without bolts sticking out. I just wonder if venture may be the best 8 truck out there and i made a mistake.
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It may stick out slightly but nothing to get stressed about. I'm becoming a fan of riding slightly wider trucks than my board - more stable and lots of room for grinds. Can't go wrong with the 5.2 or 5.6 IMO - 5.2 will be more nimble for flips, 5.6 would give more stability.

Okay thanks alot, that calmed my nerves a bit. I know i wont go smaller than 8 so the 5.6 felt right and also i like wider trucks. The only thing im thinking about is 3flips may be harder to scoop. But thats probably how good you are and used to the setup. So in the long run it will probably not make a big difference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 31, 2020, 09:50:02 AM
Quote from: PeskOne on March 31, 2020, 09:39:44 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 31, 2020, 09:30:16 AM
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Quote from: PeskOne on March 31, 2020, 08:10:02 AM
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What do you guys think about 5.6 venture trucks to 8 board? The only 8 trucks i can skate is thunder but i want to try venture again. Ordered the 5.6 8.25 axle. Indy 144 works with 8 board without bolts sticking out. I just wonder if venture may be the best 8 truck out there and i made a mistake.
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It may stick out slightly but nothing to get stressed about. I'm becoming a fan of riding slightly wider trucks than my board - more stable and lots of room for grinds. Can't go wrong with the 5.2 or 5.6 IMO - 5.2 will be more nimble for flips, 5.6 would give more stability.
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Okay thanks alot, that calmed my nerves a bit. I know i wont go smaller than 8 so the 5.6 felt right and also i like wider trucks. The only thing im thinking about is 3flips may be harder to scoop. But thats probably how good you are and used to the setup. So in the long run it will probably not make a big difference.

Can't do a 360 flip to save my life but I really liked the 5.2 Lo for ledges. It took 30 minutes to get used to the reduced height; felt like my tail was bottoming out too soon, but pinch of grinds more than made up for it. I'm still working on BS Smiths and getting them pointy, the couple of millimeters reduced height did help give me the confidence to work on them.

Pinch aside the differ a fair but from Indys in terms of pop feel. Indys (and Destructos) bring the WB in slightly, giving you a lighter pop; something I'm not a fan of since I end up rocketing my board when popping into slides or grinds. I have to adjust how I pop and drag to compensate. Ventures will give a very hefty pop, not for everyone though.

Last thing I like is being able to ride them wobble loose without the trucks falling apart. Could be more a function of the bushings being worn in but I rode them slightly looser than factory looseness and they never game close to falling apart on me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 31, 2020, 10:13:30 AM
if you wanted super loose trucks with out much fuss we used to do this.

Flip the the lock nut so the plastic is on the inside after its been threaded fully by the kingpin.

Then once its on properly and the desired feel is achieved grind down the bolt on whatever is around or do some Smith grinds.

Sometimes its forever you can glue it so its forever but it's cheaper to wreck a bolt than miss cutting a bushing.
 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 31, 2020, 10:45:10 AM
I recently got conical bottom bushings, what is the difference between barrell and conical?
Can't remember the last time I rode conical bushings.

Also Indy posted a picture of the new mid truck on their insta. Seems like they are coming soon.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-XYVefJ8tD/?igshid=1p2po0ijgoyt7 (https://www.instagram.com/p/B-XYVefJ8tD/?igshid=1p2po0ijgoyt7)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: legion on March 31, 2020, 01:12:56 PM
Looks like the Kreper kingpin but stainless or zinc plated. Idk about the length but seems about right.
Who wants to be the guinea pig?

https://www.suregrip.com/product-p/kpallen.htm $2.25

(https://cdn3.volusion.com/ctmfx.jzxnz/v/vspfiles/photos/KPALLEN-2.gif?v-cache=1435527541)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on March 31, 2020, 02:20:25 PM
Quote from: legion on March 31, 2020, 01:12:56 PM
Looks like the Kreper kingpin but stainless or zinc plated. Idk about the length but seems about right.
Who wants to be the guinea pig?

https://www.suregrip.com/product-p/kpallen.htm $2.25

(https://cdn3.volusion.com/ctmfx.jzxnz/v/vspfiles/photos/KPALLEN-2.gif?v-cache=1435527541)

3/8 is hardware size lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: legion on March 31, 2020, 02:26:41 PM
Quote from: Firebert on March 31, 2020, 02:20:25 PM
Quote from: legion on March 31, 2020, 01:12:56 PM
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Looks like the Kreper kingpin but stainless or zinc plated. Idk about the length but seems about right.
Who wants to be the guinea pig?

https://www.suregrip.com/product-p/kpallen.htm $2.25

(https://cdn3.volusion.com/ctmfx.jzxnz/v/vspfiles/photos/KPALLEN-2.gif?v-cache=1435527541)
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3/8 is hardware size lol
3/8" is the size for the nut/socket/wrench..
Hardware bolt size is #10-32
Kingpin is 3/8-24
Lolz ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 31, 2020, 04:12:38 PM
Quote from: legion on March 31, 2020, 01:12:56 PM
Looks like the Kreper kingpin but stainless or zinc plated. Idk about the length but seems about right.
Who wants to be the guinea pig?

https://www.suregrip.com/product-p/kpallen.htm $2.25

(https://cdn3.volusion.com/ctmfx.jzxnz/v/vspfiles/photos/KPALLEN-2.gif?v-cache=1435527541)

Only if the plate is hex like film, otherwise I'd rather not deal with epoxy/jb weld to keep it in place.

Also, no idea why they wouldn't do something like this instead of that chunky fucking pin...I mean, NHS distributes krux...clearly they've seen a good execution before ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: legion on March 31, 2020, 05:20:16 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 31, 2020, 04:12:38 PM
Quote from: legion on March 31, 2020, 01:12:56 PM
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Looks like the Kreper kingpin but stainless or zinc plated. Idk about the length but seems about right.
Who wants to be the guinea pig?

https://www.suregrip.com/product-p/kpallen.htm $2.25

(https://cdn3.volusion.com/ctmfx.jzxnz/v/vspfiles/photos/KPALLEN-2.gif?v-cache=1435527541)
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Only if the plate is hex like film, otherwise I'd rather not deal with epoxy/jb weld to keep it in place.

Also, no idea why they wouldn't do something like this instead of that chunky fucking pin...I mean, NHS distributes krux...clearly they've seen a good execution before ;)
https://www.mcmaster.com/94785a442
A square nut plus threadlocker might work. Or some custom/diy nyloc action?
What trips me out on kingpin swaps is getting the angle correct. I've been thinking of ways to make a jig to hold the bolt while the epoxy hardens.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on March 31, 2020, 07:21:09 PM
Quote from: legion on March 31, 2020, 05:20:16 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 31, 2020, 04:12:38 PM
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Quote from: legion on March 31, 2020, 01:12:56 PM
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Looks like the Kreper kingpin but stainless or zinc plated. Idk about the length but seems about right.
Who wants to be the guinea pig?

https://www.suregrip.com/product-p/kpallen.htm $2.25

(https://cdn3.volusion.com/ctmfx.jzxnz/v/vspfiles/photos/KPALLEN-2.gif?v-cache=1435527541)
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Only if the plate is hex like film, otherwise I'd rather not deal with epoxy/jb weld to keep it in place.

Also, no idea why they wouldn't do something like this instead of that chunky fucking pin...I mean, NHS distributes krux...clearly they've seen a good execution before ;)
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https://www.mcmaster.com/94785a442
A square nut plus threadlocker might work. Or some custom/diy nyloc action?
What trips me out on kingpin swaps is getting the angle correct. I've been thinking of ways to make a jig to hold the bolt while the epoxy hardens.




on the ones i've seen, people use bushings & washers on the upside-down kingpin so the nut stays in the correct place.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on March 31, 2020, 08:10:38 PM
Guys idk if this helps but I recently discovered why I was hating my indys for a moment and my venture v hollow 5.6

Turns out the bottom bushing is supposed to have the rounded edge against the truck hangar not the washer/baseplate

Gives you a way different feeling and response

Was riding the bottom sharp flat side against the hangar and was just too tight and snappy

No freedom or lean
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oldbummer on March 31, 2020, 10:42:24 PM
Quote from: rob on March 31, 2020, 08:10:38 PM
Guys idk if this helps but I recently discovered why I was hating my indys for a moment and my venture v hollow 5.6

Turns out the bottom bushing is supposed to have the rounded edge against the truck hangar not the washer/baseplate

Gives you a way different feeling and response

Was riding the bottom sharp flat side against the hangar and was just too tight and snappy

No freedom or lean

Does that mean that if I look at a set of conical Indy bushings that I'll see a rounded edge on the side that contacts the hanger?   :o
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PeskOne on April 01, 2020, 03:26:17 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 31, 2020, 09:50:02 AM
Quote from: PeskOne on March 31, 2020, 09:39:44 AM
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Quote from: rocklobster on March 31, 2020, 09:30:16 AM
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Quote from: PeskOne on March 31, 2020, 08:10:02 AM
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What do you guys think about 5.6 venture trucks to 8 board? The only 8 trucks i can skate is thunder but i want to try venture again. Ordered the 5.6 8.25 axle. Indy 144 works with 8 board without bolts sticking out. I just wonder if venture may be the best 8 truck out there and i made a mistake.
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It may stick out slightly but nothing to get stressed about. I'm becoming a fan of riding slightly wider trucks than my board - more stable and lots of room for grinds. Can't go wrong with the 5.2 or 5.6 IMO - 5.2 will be more nimble for flips, 5.6 would give more stability.
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Okay thanks alot, that calmed my nerves a bit. I know i wont go smaller than 8 so the 5.6 felt right and also i like wider trucks. The only thing im thinking about is 3flips may be harder to scoop. But thats probably how good you are and used to the setup. So in the long run it will probably not make a big difference.
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Can't do a 360 flip to save my life but I really liked the 5.2 Lo for ledges. It took 30 minutes to get used to the reduced height; felt like my tail was bottoming out too soon, but pinch of grinds more than made up for it. I'm still working on BS Smiths and getting them pointy, the couple of millimeters reduced height did help give me the confidence to work on them.

Pinch aside the differ a fair but from Indys in terms of pop feel. Indys (and Destructos) bring the WB in slightly, giving you a lighter pop; something I'm not a fan of since I end up rocketing my board when popping into slides or grinds. I have to adjust how I pop and drag to compensate. Ventures will give a very hefty pop, not for everyone though.

Last thing I like is being able to ride them wobble loose without the trucks falling apart. Could be more a function of the bushings being worn in but I rode them slightly looser than factory looseness and they never game close to falling apart on me.

I had a kinda big break wich i regret but it was a dark hole in my life. Before i rode thunders, kinda loose, could only do tres on loose trucks. Now im back at it since last summer, didnt skate in the winter so i have to get used to it once again. But with loose trucks last summer i could land my tres but not roll away. Also to mention in the big break may 3 years i gone up 30-40 kilos so its like im skating with somonelse body. I liked the feel of indies, but didnt like doing tricks on them. Switched to thunder to indy to often to really get used to em again. I remember i had an real board last summer that i fucking loved, dont remember if i had thunders on or indys. But sadly it broke after 2 days of a simple bs 180. And havent had a setup that felt that good since.

Now im goin to skate my venture v lights 5.6 however they feel in the start till i get used to them. Have skated ventures when younger and always liked them. First they will be on my flip deck 8.0. When that deck is wrecked i will put them on my primitive board 8.125. Skatedelux says venture 5.6 goes with 8.125 to 8.5 or something. And i heard ventures are good with primitive, so looking forward to getting used to skating again and then switching to my primitive when i gotten used to skating again.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on April 01, 2020, 07:49:56 AM
Quote from: oldbummer on March 31, 2020, 10:42:24 PM
Quote from: rob on March 31, 2020, 08:10:38 PM
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Guys idk if this helps but I recently discovered why I was hating my indys for a moment and my venture v hollow 5.6

Turns out the bottom bushing is supposed to have the rounded edge against the truck hangar not the washer/baseplate

Gives you a way different feeling and response

Was riding the bottom sharp flat side against the hangar and was just too tight and snappy

No freedom or lean
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Does that mean that if I look at a set of conical Indy bushings that I'll see a rounded edge on the side that contacts the hanger?   :o

Hello darkness my old friend....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on April 01, 2020, 08:00:10 AM
Quote from: PeskOne on April 01, 2020, 03:26:17 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 31, 2020, 09:50:02 AM
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Quote from: PeskOne on March 31, 2020, 09:39:44 AM
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Quote from: rocklobster on March 31, 2020, 09:30:16 AM
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Quote from: PeskOne on March 31, 2020, 08:10:02 AM
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What do you guys think about 5.6 venture trucks to 8 board? The only 8 trucks i can skate is thunder but i want to try venture again. Ordered the 5.6 8.25 axle. Indy 144 works with 8 board without bolts sticking out. I just wonder if venture may be the best 8 truck out there and i made a mistake.
[close]

It may stick out slightly but nothing to get stressed about. I'm becoming a fan of riding slightly wider trucks than my board - more stable and lots of room for grinds. Can't go wrong with the 5.2 or 5.6 IMO - 5.2 will be more nimble for flips, 5.6 would give more stability.
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Okay thanks alot, that calmed my nerves a bit. I know i wont go smaller than 8 so the 5.6 felt right and also i like wider trucks. The only thing im thinking about is 3flips may be harder to scoop. But thats probably how good you are and used to the setup. So in the long run it will probably not make a big difference.
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Can't do a 360 flip to save my life but I really liked the 5.2 Lo for ledges. It took 30 minutes to get used to the reduced height; felt like my tail was bottoming out too soon, but pinch of grinds more than made up for it. I'm still working on BS Smiths and getting them pointy, the couple of millimeters reduced height did help give me the confidence to work on them.

Pinch aside the differ a fair but from Indys in terms of pop feel. Indys (and Destructos) bring the WB in slightly, giving you a lighter pop; something I'm not a fan of since I end up rocketing my board when popping into slides or grinds. I have to adjust how I pop and drag to compensate. Ventures will give a very hefty pop, not for everyone though.

Last thing I like is being able to ride them wobble loose without the trucks falling apart. Could be more a function of the bushings being worn in but I rode them slightly looser than factory looseness and they never game close to falling apart on me.
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I had a kinda big break wich i regret but it was a dark hole in my life. Before i rode thunders, kinda loose, could only do tres on loose trucks. Now im back at it since last summer, didnt skate in the winter so i have to get used to it once again. But with loose trucks last summer i could land my tres but not roll away. Also to mention in the big break may 3 years i gone up 30-40 kilos so its like im skating with somonelse body. I liked the feel of indies, but didnt like doing tricks on them. Switched to thunder to indy to often to really get used to em again. I remember i had an real board last summer that i fucking loved, dont remember if i had thunders on or indys. But sadly it broke after 2 days of a simple bs 180. And havent had a setup that felt that good since.

Now im goin to skate my venture v lights 5.6 however they feel in the start till i get used to them. Have skated ventures when younger and always liked them. First they will be on my flip deck 8.0. When that deck is wrecked i will put them on my primitive board 8.125. Skatedelux says venture 5.6 goes with 8.125 to 8.5 or something. And i heard ventures are good with primitive, so looking forward to getting used to skating again and then switching to my primitive when i gotten used to skating again.  :)

It's a bullshit theory that I had in mind:
1) Most of the riders seem to ride for Venture
2) Most of their decks seem to have short WB and Ventures extend WB the most of any trucks, between 3.25 - 3.5"

I just like how they pop - heavy and you can get the "suck to your feet" feeling with them. I've not been able to get that same feeling consistently with Indys, Thunders or Tensors.

(or probably because I'm a huge anal retentive baby)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: weedgod94 on April 01, 2020, 08:45:32 AM
my Indy 149s feel awesome now. Put in the aftermarket blue conicals (92a) and they were feeling ok but too tight. Found some old bones flat washers and put them on the board side. Perfect trucks. Good center point but turnnnn and don't get wheelbite just rolling around. Truck madness = gone
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on April 01, 2020, 12:00:05 PM
Quote from: weedgod94 on April 01, 2020, 08:45:32 AM
my Indy 149s feel awesome now. Put in the aftermarket blue conicals (92a) and they were feeling ok but too tight. Found some old bones flat washers and put them on the board side. Perfect trucks. Good center point but turnnnn and don't get wheelbite just rolling around. Truck madness = gone

I tried that too with 90a conicals but my bottom bushings squished over the flat washer. Don't think this can't be good for the bushings. But sick if it works for you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tyshoes on April 01, 2020, 02:51:56 PM
My indies forged 149 have all stock washers removed and bones hardcore bushing. They are like made for each other. I have indy yellow blue and black cylinder style like stock and theres no comparison. No stock washers and bones hardcore and hardcore washer.  Perfect together for me and no break in like you need with the indy ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 01, 2020, 04:37:40 PM
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Guys idk if this helps but I recently discovered why I was hating my indys for a moment and my venture v hollow 5.6

Turns out the bottom bushing is supposed to have the rounded edge against the truck hangar not the washer/baseplate

Gives you a way different feeling and response

Was riding the bottom sharp flat side against the hangar and was just too tight and snappy

No freedom or lean
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Does that mean that if I look at a set of conical Indy bushings that I'll see a rounded edge on the side that contacts the hanger?   :o
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Hello darkness my old friend....

Not the conicals

Only the barrel cylinder standard stock ones they have on ventures, ace and indys or really any trucks with cylinder bushings, round edge against the hanger for that true turn

Cause I had the idea that with conicals there’s only the sharp edged flat side that goes against the hangar so the principle is the same with the cylinder

But it’s not, the smoother rounded edge side of the cylinder bushing contacts the hangar and the sharp flat side contacts the washer
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thinlizzy on April 01, 2020, 09:48:20 PM
picked up a pair of the independent super soft bushings for my 139’s. Riding them with both washers, nut flush with kingpin
(https://i.imgur.com/in13HUr.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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What do you guys think about 5.6 venture trucks to 8 board? The only 8 trucks i can skate is thunder but i want to try venture again. Ordered the 5.6 8.25 axle. Indy 144 works with 8 board without bolts sticking out. I just wonder if venture may be the best 8 truck out there and i made a mistake.
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It may stick out slightly but nothing to get stressed about. I'm becoming a fan of riding slightly wider trucks than my board - more stable and lots of room for grinds. Can't go wrong with the 5.2 or 5.6 IMO - 5.2 will be more nimble for flips, 5.6 would give more stability.
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Okay thanks alot, that calmed my nerves a bit. I know i wont go smaller than 8 so the 5.6 felt right and also i like wider trucks. The only thing im thinking about is 3flips may be harder to scoop. But thats probably how good you are and used to the setup. So in the long run it will probably not make a big difference.
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Can't do a 360 flip to save my life but I really liked the 5.2 Lo for ledges. It took 30 minutes to get used to the reduced height; felt like my tail was bottoming out too soon, but pinch of grinds more than made up for it. I'm still working on BS Smiths and getting them pointy, the couple of millimeters reduced height did help give me the confidence to work on them.

Pinch aside the differ a fair but from Indys in terms of pop feel. Indys (and Destructos) bring the WB in slightly, giving you a lighter pop; something I'm not a fan of since I end up rocketing my board when popping into slides or grinds. I have to adjust how I pop and drag to compensate. Ventures will give a very hefty pop, not for everyone though.

Last thing I like is being able to ride them wobble loose without the trucks falling apart. Could be more a function of the bushings being worn in but I rode them slightly looser than factory looseness and they never game close to falling apart on me.
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I had a kinda big break wich i regret but it was a dark hole in my life. Before i rode thunders, kinda loose, could only do tres on loose trucks. Now im back at it since last summer, didnt skate in the winter so i have to get used to it once again. But with loose trucks last summer i could land my tres but not roll away. Also to mention in the big break may 3 years i gone up 30-40 kilos so its like im skating with somonelse body. I liked the feel of indies, but didnt like doing tricks on them. Switched to thunder to indy to often to really get used to em again. I remember i had an real board last summer that i fucking loved, dont remember if i had thunders on or indys. But sadly it broke after 2 days of a simple bs 180. And havent had a setup that felt that good since.

Now im goin to skate my venture v lights 5.6 however they feel in the start till i get used to them. Have skated ventures when younger and always liked them. First they will be on my flip deck 8.0. When that deck is wrecked i will put them on my primitive board 8.125. Skatedelux says venture 5.6 goes with 8.125 to 8.5 or something. And i heard ventures are good with primitive, so looking forward to getting used to skating again and then switching to my primitive when i gotten used to skating again.  :)
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It's a bullshit theory that I had in mind:
1) Most of the riders seem to ride for Venture
2) Most of their decks seem to have short WB and Ventures extend WB the most of any trucks, between 3.25 - 3.5"

I just like how they pop - heavy and you can get the "suck to your feet" feeling with them. I've not been able to get that same feeling consistently with Indys, Thunders or Tensors.

(or probably because I'm a huge anal retentive baby)

Primitive/Ventures go very well together from the WB to the tail lengths. There is a reason for it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on April 03, 2020, 05:15:18 AM
Someone help me justify my madness. I've had 3 sets of venture 5.25 highs back to back over the last 2 years and currently skating 5.25 lows. I like the lows, but find myself wanting the slightest bit more carve and loose feel. I love the stability and response being lower height but the pull to thunder is strong. I already ordered 147s standards but feel dirty like I'm cheating on venture. I feel like its the best embodiment of what I like about the ventures being it is still very low but a bit more turn and carve. I haven't had thunders in 10 years.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on April 03, 2020, 05:40:04 AM
Quote from: skatefresh on April 03, 2020, 05:15:18 AM
Someone help me justify my madness. I've had 3 sets of venture 5.25 highs back to back over the last 2 years and currently skating 5.25 lows. I like the lows, but find myself wanting the slightest bit more carve and loose feel. I love the stability and response being lower height but the pull to thunder is strong. I already ordered 147s standards but feel dirty like I'm cheating on venture. I feel like its the best embodiment of what I like about the ventures being it is still very low but a bit more turn and carve. I haven't had thunders in 10 years.
Why you don't just put softer bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on April 03, 2020, 06:16:52 AM
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Someone help me justify my madness. I've had 3 sets of venture 5.25 highs back to back over the last 2 years and currently skating 5.25 lows. I like the lows, but find myself wanting the slightest bit more carve and loose feel. I love the stability and response being lower height but the pull to thunder is strong. I already ordered 147s standards but feel dirty like I'm cheating on venture. I feel like its the best embodiment of what I like about the ventures being it is still very low but a bit more turn and carve. I haven't had thunders in 10 years.
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Why you don't just put softer bushings?
It's more to do with ventures geometry. They just turn slower in general. Not bad but just different.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 03, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
I'm sure this has been addressed on here before, but has anyone spent much time with 8.75" trucks on an 8.25" board? After years of being against anything close to a hotrod, I have come around to the idea. Currently running 149s on an 8.25" but I have a set of 159s I've been thinking of trying.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: legion on April 03, 2020, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on April 03, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
I'm sure this has been addressed on here before, but has anyone spent much time with 8.75" trucks on an 8.25" board? After years of being against anything close to a hotrod, I have come around to the idea. Currently running 149s on an 8.25" but I have a set of 159s I've been thinking of trying.
Hewitt's been rockin 159's on an 8.375"
Wider trucks than deck usually bugs me but I have 159's and a 8.625" than I'm gonna setup soon
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on April 03, 2020, 02:46:58 PM
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Someone help me justify my madness. I've had 3 sets of venture 5.25 highs back to back over the last 2 years and currently skating 5.25 lows. I like the lows, but find myself wanting the slightest bit more carve and loose feel. I love the stability and response being lower height but the pull to thunder is strong. I already ordered 147s standards but feel dirty like I'm cheating on venture. I feel like its the best embodiment of what I like about the ventures being it is still very low but a bit more turn and carve. I haven't had thunders in 10 years.
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Why you don't just put softer bushings?

I think you made the right choice to switch.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on April 03, 2020, 11:02:17 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on April 03, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
I'm sure this has been addressed on here before, but has anyone spent much time with 8.75" trucks on an 8.25" board? After years of being against anything close to a hotrod, I have come around to the idea. Currently running 149s on an 8.25" but I have a set of 159s I've been thinking of trying.
I recently set up a DOA 8.25 square shape and wanted to see how 159 forged hollows would fit with 52 conicals fulls, standing on it looking down you could just barely see the axle nuts, but it definitely stuck out having the board on its side. it felt nice and light and wasn't too hot Roddy but in the end I opted for smaller trucks, though now 149s look a little small on it so idk what to believe anymore, almost wanna see how it looks with classics but don't really wanna take the trucks off again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on April 04, 2020, 07:01:15 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on April 03, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
I'm sure this has been addressed on here before, but has anyone spent much time with 8.75" trucks on an 8.25" board? After years of being against anything close to a hotrod, I have come around to the idea. Currently running 149s on an 8.25" but I have a set of 159s I've been thinking of trying.

long ago i set up an 8.0 on indy 149's, i could skate it, but people who stepped on it thought it was weird, i was pretty much exclusively riding mini ramps and transition at the time. i wouldn't recommend it but i doubt that would stop you lol.

personally i keep the trucks and deck within an 8th of an inch of each other either way.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 04, 2020, 09:24:15 AM
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I'm sure this has been addressed on here before, but has anyone spent much time with 8.75" trucks on an 8.25" board? After years of being against anything close to a hotrod, I have come around to the idea. Currently running 149s on an 8.25" but I have a set of 159s I've been thinking of trying.
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long ago i set up an 8.0 on indy 149's, i could skate it, but people who stepped on it thought it was weird, i was pretty much exclusively riding mini ramps and transition at the time. i wouldn't recommend it but i doubt that would stop you lol.

personally i keep the trucks and deck within an 8th of an inch of each other either way.

I set up an 8.25 Chico (regular shape) with 159s 4 ish years ago. I was in a major struggle, switching set ups every time out. I actually had a great time on it. My skating has always revolves around flat ground, so it’s really about how a setup flips etc, for me. Indy’s, with a 14” wb, on a bigger board (8.25 is a vert board) worked well for me. All straight flip tricks felt rad. Tre’s and such did not feel rad. and heavy setups wear on my dusty joints. Anyways, it was way more fun than 8.25, with 149s, for me. Blah blah. 3flips really unfurled in an odd way. Couldn’t get it to work. I was like jumping after it. Switch heel felt perfect. Anyways, try it, it’ll be fun for some shit, and shit for some other stuff.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on April 04, 2020, 02:12:32 PM
super bored because of this quarantine so I ended up putting those FH 159s back on that 8.25 DOA square shape today, paired it with some old 53 f4 classics.

really amazing, popped the highest kickflip today in a long time just dorking around in front of my house. the board measures around 8.4 but tapers to 8.25 right above the bolts so while it doesn't really stand on its side I don't notice any overhang or anything like that. kinda stoked on this setup, though I'll probably go up to 8.5 if I stick with these trucks.
also I always read that slappies feel best with big ass trucks but I'm having trouble, also was having trouble with 144s too so maybe I just have to adjust or something. loving the extra room but anything bigger or smaller than 149s kinda throws me off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 04, 2020, 05:14:25 PM
anyone running an 8.5 deck on 8.25 trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on April 04, 2020, 06:01:03 PM
Quote from: off on April 04, 2020, 05:14:25 PM
anyone running an 8.5 deck on 8.25 trucks?

Been running 8.5 Polars with 144 in front and 149 in the back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: spanyard on April 04, 2020, 08:54:39 PM
Yowza. 😬
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 04, 2020, 11:14:49 PM
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anyone running an 8.5 deck on 8.25 trucks?
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Been running 8.5 Polars with 144 in front and 149 in the back.
what is it like :o
do you always have to run the board in one direction?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on April 05, 2020, 06:12:26 AM
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anyone running an 8.5 deck on 8.25 trucks?
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Been running 8.5 Polars with 144 in front and 149 in the back.
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what is it like :o
do you always have to run the board in one direction?
Sounds awful, now somebody will come with "I skate 50mm on the front and 56 on the back"
(https://i.imgur.com/kByOXUSl.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: spanyard on April 05, 2020, 06:42:38 AM
Truck madness indeed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 05, 2020, 08:35:20 AM
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anyone running an 8.5 deck on 8.25 trucks?

usually yes or an 8.38 truck .

I've always gone more wood than axle or exactly the same.

Having more truck hurts flip speed

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drewsmahgoos on April 05, 2020, 08:50:49 AM
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anyone running an 8.5 deck on 8.25 trucks?
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Been running 8.5 Polars with 144 in front and 149 in the back.

stop that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on April 05, 2020, 09:23:51 AM
Anyone whos skated both thunder 147s and venture 5.25 low or highs. Any feedback as to what you preferred and liked better about each?
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Post by: YungJugg on April 05, 2020, 09:39:23 AM
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anyone running an 8.5 deck on 8.25 trucks?
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Been running 8.5 Polars with 144 in front and 149 in the back.
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what is it like :o
do you always have to run the board in one direction?
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Sounds awful, now somebody will come with "I skate 50mm on the front and 56 on the back"
(https://i.imgur.com/kByOXUSl.jpg)

lmao I knew thatd rile up some feathers. But nah it goes both ways fine, I pop fakie tricks off my tail, nollie off the nose, all is good.

Is there even a difference in geometry aside from the hanger?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 05, 2020, 09:48:38 AM
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Anyone whos skated both thunder 147s and venture 5.25 low or highs. Any feedback as to what you preferred and liked better about each?


Have both, skate both, like both. Prefer venture.

Thunders are lighter, quicker turn, slightly taller. When most people sized up their setups from sub 8” and 5.0 lo’s, I noticed that some pros were switching to the 147s (kalis, wade etc). I think thunders are sick. I do stick on ledges more often, and had a scary face plant on a regular noseslide. I’ve also done my best ledge tricks on thunders. I wheelbite at least as much on thunders, even tho they are taller.

Ventures ‘feel’ right. Look cooler. I like the pop. The lo height, with cast plate feels awesome. There is a skrong nostalgic pull for me. I normally don’t like bones bushings, but I do in ventures. I really recommend the bones top washer, that eliminates binding. The venture baseplate doesn’t stick on ledges. I like manuals on ventures way more (although that skill has really evaporated lately).

Neither truck is great with wheels over 52mm. 50mm is prolly better.
Both trucks have a hanger shape that is thin, aesthetically attractive, but bites into hard ledges and is harder to grind, than say a rounder hanger like an Indy.


I wish my thunders were cast, or team hollows.
I have venture 5.2 hi and those are cool too, but they are different, again more like an Indy (I prefer them to Indy, for many reasons). The 147 hi, and 5.2 lo are really close.


My take at least

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on April 05, 2020, 10:02:54 AM
Quote from: skatefresh on April 05, 2020, 09:23:51 AM
Anyone whos skated both thunder 147s and venture 5.25 low or highs. Any feedback as to what you preferred and liked better about each?

Lots of personal preference here but Thunder (in general) feel like a more general use, middle of the road trucks. Pop feel ranges from similar to Indy (cast plates & Titaniums) to a Venture (cast plates), so a medium-ish pop. Definitely lighter than a Indy or Venture of comparable width at roughly the same height of a Venture Lo.

Ventures are more specific use truck since they extend the WB a little (+3.25) to a lot (+3.5), giving a much heavier feeling pop. I feel there are a specific set of boards that ride well with Ventures, specifically longer board with short WB, but that's me with a board sample size of 2.

Grinds - Thunder have a softer metal, but I actually prefer the harder metal of a Venture. My trucks feel like they are biting back against the ledge instead of getting sliced through.

Slides - Ventures hands down thanks to an extended WB. I need all the help I can get on BS Tailslides, having wheels adding grip by rubbing the side of the ledge when rocking Thunders fucks with me.

Height - Venture Lo are my go to for ledge tricks because of the reduced height. I lose a bit of height on my popped tricks but I adjust my pop within the session. The drop in height by a couple of millimeters really help with the pinch and stability on my grinds.

As you can tell I love me some Ventures, I already have 3 pairs and have another 2 more coming within the next 2 weeks. Only problem is the WB extension on the forged plates (+3.5) make them hard to pair on most boards with 14.25" WB, hence I would suggest getting a regular pair of standard Ventures (cheapest you can find) so you can swap out the plates to match the board you're riding. You can even swap out the standard kingpins for hollow ones but I don't have the time or patience to hammer out the old ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on April 05, 2020, 10:23:43 AM
Dammit. I have 147s coming in but I feel like traitor. I love the shit out of these 5.25 lows but I'm feeling like I could use a bit more of a sharp turn so impulse ordered 147s since theyre only like a mil taller. I blame these damn Kalis clips. Now I'm debating whether I even want to swap them out. Going on a real full se for reference with 52mm f4 classics. Been skating 5.25 lows with lynx and 50mm wheels which is fun but im tired of eating shit on small cracks. Trying to get my setup more well rounded again. I can't get down with true highs anymore. Ghost pop tre flips and rocketed fliptricks galore.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 05, 2020, 11:23:44 AM
Hi’s are just tiring. But these days I get tired thinking about putting my shoes on so I’m not a good judge.

147s are cool, I didn’t feel like I got less wheelbite with em tho. Maybe wrong, but the angle thunders turn at goes to wheelbite, quickly.

I need pop, so I should use a taller set up, but....


Kakis, Wade, Enrique, and it looked like JB was riding some thunders too....many of my fave skaters have ridden thunders. They are cool, you’ll like em.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 05, 2020, 01:23:23 PM
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I'm sure this has been addressed on here before, but has anyone spent much time with 8.75" trucks on an 8.25" board? After years of being against anything close to a hotrod, I have come around to the idea. Currently running 149s on an 8.25" but I have a set of 159s I've been thinking of trying.
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long ago i set up an 8.0 on indy 149's, i could skate it, but people who stepped on it thought it was weird, i was pretty much exclusively riding mini ramps and transition at the time. i wouldn't recommend it but i doubt that would stop you lol.

personally i keep the trucks and deck within an 8th of an inch of each other either way.
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I set up an 8.25 Chico (regular shape) with 159s 4 ish years ago. I was in a major struggle, switching set ups every time out. I actually had a great time on it. My skating has always revolves around flat ground, so it’s really about how a setup flips etc, for me. Indy’s, with a 14” wb, on a bigger board (8.25 is a vert board) worked well for me. All straight flip tricks felt rad. Tre’s and such did not feel rad. and heavy setups wear on my dusty joints. Anyways, it was way more fun than 8.25, with 149s, for me. Blah blah. 3flips really unfurled in an odd way. Couldn’t get it to work. I was like jumping after it. Switch heel felt perfect. Anyways, try it, it’ll be fun for some shit, and shit for some other stuff.
Quote from: Weezil on April 04, 2020, 02:12:32 PM
super bored because of this quarantine so I ended up putting those FH 159s back on that 8.25 DOA square shape today, paired it with some old 53 f4 classics.

really amazing, popped the highest kickflip today in a long time just dorking around in front of my house. the board measures around 8.4 but tapers to 8.25 right above the bolts so while it doesn't really stand on its side I don't notice any overhang or anything like that. kinda stoked on this setup, though I'll probably go up to 8.5 if I stick with these trucks.
also I always read that slappies feel best with big ass trucks but I'm having trouble, also was having trouble with 144s too so maybe I just have to adjust or something. loving the extra room but anything bigger or smaller than 149s kinda throws me off.

Set it up with the 159s and some 51mm tablets and I've got to say that I am pretty into it. It took me a few minutes to get used to the pop, but afterwards it felt really stable and my heelflips felt nice and floaty. I was just skating flatground, so we will see about slappys and all that...though I did a little micro-crook on a parking block and it felt very nice.

(https://i.imgur.com/lioHVyA.jpg)

Honestly, I also just like how it looks because it kind of reminds me of having to skate 136s on 7.5" boards back in the day. You can see in the picture where the wheelbite hits with the 51mm tablets versus the 53mm classics on 149s that I had on before. The axle hotrods a little but the wheels don't.

Anyway, thank you for the input. The rest of the boards in the stack I got from DOA are 8.5"s so I'll probably be sticking with the 159s for a bit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 05, 2020, 05:35:12 PM
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I'm over bones after this set. I'm going through more than two top bushings a year. That's never been the case growing up this plastic shit is stupid.

Also who ever tooled this kingpin on drugs
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on April 05, 2020, 05:54:32 PM
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I'm over bones after this set. I'm going through more than two top bushings a year. That's never been the case growing up this plastic shit is stupid.

Also who ever tooled this kingpin on drugs

I only have this problem with the black/yellow colored bones. if I get the white/yellow ones they never do that. but shop only had the black/yellow last time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on April 05, 2020, 06:43:17 PM
Quote from: skatefresh on April 05, 2020, 10:23:43 AM
Dammit. I have 147s coming in but I feel like traitor. I love the shit out of these 5.25 lows but I'm feeling like I could use a bit more of a sharp turn so impulse ordered 147s since theyre only like a mil taller. I blame these damn Kalis clips. Now I'm debating whether I even want to swap them out. Going on a real full se for reference with 52mm f4 classics. Been skating 5.25 lows with lynx and 50mm wheels which is fun but im tired of eating shit on small cracks. Trying to get my setup more well rounded again. I can't get down with true highs anymore. Ghost pop tre flips and rocketed fliptricks galore.

Can't go wrong with either 147 or 5.2 Lo, both are great trucks. The Real Full SE (I assume you are getting the 8.06) has a pretty short length and WB at 31.5" and 14". Don't have a lot of experience with decks that short here is my experience with the few trucks I tried on with a 31.6" and 14" Darkstar deck"

Destructo D2 Mid - +3.125" WB
Board was too squirrley, felt like I was riding a balance board and way too light
Venture 5.25 Lo V-Hollow - 3.4" WB
Board was way too heavy, I was popping 3 feet but my board was only going 2.
Thunder 147 Lights - 3.25" WB
Happy medium, not great but usable though I attribute the shittiness to Darkstar boards more than the trucks.

Really depends on what you like in a setup. I like a heftier feeling pop on my board if not I end up rocketing my ollies. Too light / too short a WB and the board feels too springy, so it can be tough to get the timing of the pop.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on April 05, 2020, 07:30:15 PM
Quote from: skatefresh on April 05, 2020, 09:23:51 AM
Anyone whos skated both thunder 147s and venture 5.25 low or highs. Any feedback as to what you preferred and liked better about each?

Venture 5.2 Lo (cast)

- Turning is decent. Not as sharp as thunder but they still turn. Stock bushings and washer bind with the hangar at full pitch. Bones bushings alleviate that issue, but bones bushings can crack*. Wheel bite was an issue for me and I only skate 50s.
- Grind is great. They just glide. As others have mentioned, the aluminum feels harder and doesn't feel as sticky as thunders on unwaxed angle iron.
- Slides feel great when you get them going. They feel great popping out of slides too. The only issue I found with slides was landing on the corner of the baseplates when trying tail slides. It'll round out eventually but annoying nonetheless.
- Pop is super snappy. The stability really makes up for the lack of turn.

Thunder 147 His (team edition)

- They have a sharper turn compared to ventures. It felt a bit twitchy coming from Venture los, but you get used to it quick. I don't wheelbite as much with thunders. You might need to stack washers to get bones bushings to fit properly.
- Grinds. They feel a bit stickier than ventures for some reason. I have big gashes in my hanger from crooked grinds that I don't have in my ventures. Ventures pinch just slightlyyyyyyy better than thunders.
- They slide. They definitely slide. But...you might need to wax the side of the coping to make prevent the wheels from biting, but it's not a big deal in my opiniion. I don't land on my baseplate as I did with ventures.
- Pop is also super snappy.  Both venture and thunders have similar pop.



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 05, 2020, 07:33:55 PM
Quote from: TFUCKINA on April 05, 2020, 05:54:32 PM
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I'm over bones after this set. I'm going through more than two top bushings a year. That's never been the case growing up this plastic shit is stupid.

Also who ever tooled this kingpin on drugs
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I only have this problem with the black/yellow colored bones. if I get the white/yellow ones they never do that. but shop only had the black/yellow last time.

that's a new one. I got the black ones by chance. Looks alright with the purple bottom bushings

I'm going super crush green and sticking with that

Look at that kingpin though looks like they cross threaded it then beveled the top 3 threads off. The other truck kingpin is uncut flat top
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 05, 2020, 07:35:11 PM
I was gifted, what I believe to be some unground Stage 8 146s today. Curiosity got the best of me so I took out the 20+ year old bushings and  put in some newer  88a Indy barrel bushings and swapped my Ace 44s for them. I had no idea they'd turn so damn well. The harder metal is great also. Compared to my 44s, they are a tad wider (might actually measure 146mm on the money but they seem to have an 8 3/8" hanger like 44s), they are also a little higher and they push the wheelbase out a tiny bit more than Ace but less than Stage 11s. I'd say these turn a lot better than Stage 11s. They are not even that heavy. The only downside is there is not as much kingpin clearance. Pretty stoked though. These will do until an Ace 8.5 comes outs.

(https://i.imgur.com/5FgMnrk.jpg?1)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 05, 2020, 08:33:35 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 05, 2020, 07:35:11 PM
I was gifted, what I believe to be some unground Stage 8 146s today. Curiosity got the best of me so I took out the 20+ year old bushings and  put in some newer  88a Indy barrel bushings and swapped my Ace 44s for them. I had no idea they'd turn so damn well. The harder metal is great also. Compared to my 44s, they are a tad wider (might actually measure 146mm on the money but they seem to have an 8 3/8" hanger like 44s), they are also a little higher and they push the wheelbase out a tiny bit more than Ace but less than Stage 11s. I'd say these turn a lot better than Stage 11s. They are not even that heavy. The only downside is there is not as much kingpin clearance. Pretty stoked though. These will do until an Ace 8.5 comes outs.

(https://i.imgur.com/5FgMnrk.jpg?1)

Fuck, those look so nice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on April 05, 2020, 08:41:40 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 05, 2020, 07:35:11 PM
I was gifted, what I believe to be some unground Stage 8 146s today. Curiosity got the best of me so I took out the 20+ year old bushings and  put in some newer  88a Indy barrel bushings and swapped my Ace 44s for them. I had no idea they'd turn so damn well. The harder metal is great also. Compared to my 44s, they are a tad wider (might actually measure 146mm on the money but they seem to have an 8 3/8" hanger like 44s), they are also a little higher and they push the wheelbase out a tiny bit more than Ace but less than Stage 11s. I'd say these turn a lot better than Stage 11s. They are not even that heavy. The only downside is there is not as much kingpin clearance. Pretty stoked though. These will do until an Ace 8.5 comes outs.

Proper jealous. I've managed to score stage 8 166's in that kind of shape but never 146's. They're indeed lighter than stage 11's, but as you noted the clearance is bad. And they have a tendency to slip axles (although not as bad as stage 7's). Enjoy that turn. For my money that design is the best wb/turn/height ratio that they ever did.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 05, 2020, 08:51:42 PM
I am actually quite blown away by the turn. And the grind is second to none. I Primo'd a few kick flips and no slipping axle yet but I'm sure its coming...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Reed Richards on April 05, 2020, 09:01:33 PM
Post lockdown, I'm supporting my local and getting this particular deck that I believe is an 8.25.  I already have some gently used 139s.  Can I reasonably use the two together or should I bite the bullet and find some 144/8.25 trucks that are exactly flush? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 05, 2020, 09:52:42 PM
Might as well support your local and get some 144s too. But if thats not feasible then 139s will be fine, maybe consider putting two washers on the inside side of the axle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 05, 2020, 11:21:34 PM
Someone talk me out of trying some thunders for the first time in years. Recently hit axle on my venture 5.8s and will probably retire them soon ish. Considering Thunders for quick pop, the alleged 'pinch' and the fact that they're less of a 'hard' grind than ventures. Thinking about getting 151s even though I skate 8.25-8.38s for even better pinch on shitty ledges, the hollow lights are pretty light and the fact that they're lower makes me think it will be ok for flatground. I skate mostly concrete ledges so the soft grind and better pinch might be nice. Bit worried about no baseplate contact for slides, lack of kingpin clearance and wheelbite too. Should I just stick with more venture 5.8s or could Thunders be a move.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on April 05, 2020, 11:45:56 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on April 05, 2020, 11:21:34 PM
Someone talk me out of trying some thunders for the first time in years. Recently hit axle on my venture 5.8s and will probably retire them soon ish. Considering Thunders for quick pop, the alleged 'pinch' and the fact that they're less of a 'hard' grind than ventures. Thinking about getting 151s even though I skate 8.25-8.38s for even better pinch on shitty ledges, the hollow lights are pretty light and the fact that they're lower makes me think it will be ok for flatground. I skate mostly concrete ledges so the soft grind and better pinch might be nice. Bit worried about no baseplate contact for slides, lack of kingpin clearance and wheelbite too. Should I just stick with more venture 5.8s or could Thunders be a move.

If you can afford them I would say go ahead and try them, life is too short for not trying new shit. Much daintier, lighter truck than Venture and if you're not a baby like me the baseplate / wheels sliding won't be an issue for you.Smaller adjustment than going to Indy, Theeve or Ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 05, 2020, 11:52:25 PM
Fuck. Price isn't the issue but rather if I get them and don't like them I dont wanna feel like a truck hoarder ya feel me. Should probably also mention that I have another set of Venture 5.8s on ice. The past month or two I've been thinking about trucks less and less, its a rabbit hole I was glad to finally climb out of.... but if Thunders (149 or 151) really could be better then might have to hop back in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 06, 2020, 12:32:23 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on April 05, 2020, 11:21:34 PM
Someone talk me out of trying some thunders for the first time in years. Recently hit axle on my venture 5.8s and will probably retire them soon ish. Considering Thunders for quick pop, the alleged 'pinch' and the fact that they're less of a 'hard' grind than ventures. Thinking about getting 151s even though I skate 8.25-8.38s for even better pinch on shitty ledges, the hollow lights are pretty light and the fact that they're lower makes me think it will be ok for flatground. I skate mostly concrete ledges so the soft grind and better pinch might be nice. Bit worried about no baseplate contact for slides, lack of kingpin clearance and wheelbite too. Should I just stick with more venture 5.8s or could Thunders be a move.
i ride the 151 hollow lights with an 8.5 and i love them. favorite truck ive owned by miles. light, snappy, and responsive. wheelbite is an issue when im being sloppy, but thats all on me being dogshit. cant recommend them enough, i would highly suggest you try them out.

looking to get the 148 or 149 titaniums next just so i could have trucks for a hotrod and magic carpet setup. probably gonna go 148 and use washers if neccessary.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on April 06, 2020, 12:44:28 AM
Quote from: off on April 06, 2020, 12:32:23 AM
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Someone talk me out of trying some thunders for the first time in years. Recently hit axle on my venture 5.8s and will probably retire them soon ish. Considering Thunders for quick pop, the alleged 'pinch' and the fact that they're less of a 'hard' grind than ventures. Thinking about getting 151s even though I skate 8.25-8.38s for even better pinch on shitty ledges, the hollow lights are pretty light and the fact that they're lower makes me think it will be ok for flatground. I skate mostly concrete ledges so the soft grind and better pinch might be nice. Bit worried about no baseplate contact for slides, lack of kingpin clearance and wheelbite too. Should I just stick with more venture 5.8s or could Thunders be a move.
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i ride the 151 hollow lights with an 8.5 and i love them. favorite truck ive owned by miles. light, snappy, and responsive. wheelbite is an issue when im being sloppy, but thats all on me being dogshit. cant recommend them enough, i would highly suggest you try them out.

looking to get the 148 or 149 titaniums next just so i could have trucks for a hotrod and magic carpet setup. probably gonna go 148 and use washers if neccessary.
Quote from: tzhangdox on April 05, 2020, 11:52:25 PM
Fuck. Price isn't the issue but rather if I get them and don't like them I dont wanna feel like a truck hoarder ya feel me. Should probably also mention that I have another set of Venture 5.8s on ice. The past month or two I've been thinking about trucks less and less, its a rabbit hole I was glad to finally climb out of.... but if Thunders (149 or 151) really could be better then might have to hop back in.

Whats up with this washer talk I've been reading about recently? Are you guys sticking additional washers on the inside of your axles to push the wheels out further for more space to grind?

Also, fuck. I was trying to dissuade tzhangdox from getting Thunders and sticking to Venture 5.8, maybe try the Titanium ones!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 06, 2020, 12:55:30 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on April 06, 2020, 12:44:28 AM
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Someone talk me out of trying some thunders for the first time in years. Recently hit axle on my venture 5.8s and will probably retire them soon ish. Considering Thunders for quick pop, the alleged 'pinch' and the fact that they're less of a 'hard' grind than ventures. Thinking about getting 151s even though I skate 8.25-8.38s for even better pinch on shitty ledges, the hollow lights are pretty light and the fact that they're lower makes me think it will be ok for flatground. I skate mostly concrete ledges so the soft grind and better pinch might be nice. Bit worried about no baseplate contact for slides, lack of kingpin clearance and wheelbite too. Should I just stick with more venture 5.8s or could Thunders be a move.
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i ride the 151 hollow lights with an 8.5 and i love them. favorite truck ive owned by miles. light, snappy, and responsive. wheelbite is an issue when im being sloppy, but thats all on me being dogshit. cant recommend them enough, i would highly suggest you try them out.

looking to get the 148 or 149 titaniums next just so i could have trucks for a hotrod and magic carpet setup. probably gonna go 148 and use washers if neccessary.
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Quote from: tzhangdox on April 05, 2020, 11:52:25 PM
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Fuck. Price isn't the issue but rather if I get them and don't like them I dont wanna feel like a truck hoarder ya feel me. Should probably also mention that I have another set of Venture 5.8s on ice. The past month or two I've been thinking about trucks less and less, its a rabbit hole I was glad to finally climb out of.... but if Thunders (149 or 151) really could be better then might have to hop back in.
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Whats up with this washer talk I've been reading about recently? Are you guys sticking additional washers on the inside of your axles to push the wheels out further for more space to grind?

Also, fuck. I was trying to dissuade tzhangdox from getting Thunders and sticking to Venture 5.8, maybe try the Titanium ones!

Yes, I did this on my Ace 44s back when I skated 8.5s. Worked especially well on Aces since the axles tend to be a little longer so I was able to push the wheels out to the point where it felt like a true 8.5 truck with 3 washers on the inside. Seems like on most trucks you can get away with at least two washers on the inside if you want.

The ventures I just hit axle on are titaniums, loved how light they are especially because Ventures in general have a heftier pop feeling. The set I have on ice are v-lights which have forged plates and hollow kingpin but solid axle so are a bit heavier, I definitely prefer a lighter setup but I'd feel kinda stupid shelling out for more titaniums if I already have the same truck just not titanium.

ps just caught up on a few threads sounds like you got back smiths now, tight.

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Someone talk me out of trying some thunders for the first time in years. Recently hit axle on my venture 5.8s and will probably retire them soon ish. Considering Thunders for quick pop, the alleged 'pinch' and the fact that they're less of a 'hard' grind than ventures. Thinking about getting 151s even though I skate 8.25-8.38s for even better pinch on shitty ledges, the hollow lights are pretty light and the fact that they're lower makes me think it will be ok for flatground. I skate mostly concrete ledges so the soft grind and better pinch might be nice. Bit worried about no baseplate contact for slides, lack of kingpin clearance and wheelbite too. Should I just stick with more venture 5.8s or could Thunders be a move.
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i ride the 151 hollow lights with an 8.5 and i love them. favorite truck ive owned by miles. light, snappy, and responsive. wheelbite is an issue when im being sloppy, but thats all on me being dogshit. cant recommend them enough, i would highly suggest you try them out.

looking to get the 148 or 149 titaniums next just so i could have trucks for a hotrod and magic carpet setup. probably gonna go 148 and use washers if neccessary.

Would you say the pinch is noticeably better than other trucks? And how do you find the lack of baseplate contact for slides and how do you find the kingpin clearance? Those are my biggest concerns over slight differences in turning or pop feel.

edit: fuckit just copped
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 06, 2020, 02:42:24 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on April 06, 2020, 12:55:30 AM
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Someone talk me out of trying some thunders for the first time in years. Recently hit axle on my venture 5.8s and will probably retire them soon ish. Considering Thunders for quick pop, the alleged 'pinch' and the fact that they're less of a 'hard' grind than ventures. Thinking about getting 151s even though I skate 8.25-8.38s for even better pinch on shitty ledges, the hollow lights are pretty light and the fact that they're lower makes me think it will be ok for flatground. I skate mostly concrete ledges so the soft grind and better pinch might be nice. Bit worried about no baseplate contact for slides, lack of kingpin clearance and wheelbite too. Should I just stick with more venture 5.8s or could Thunders be a move.
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i ride the 151 hollow lights with an 8.5 and i love them. favorite truck ive owned by miles. light, snappy, and responsive. wheelbite is an issue when im being sloppy, but thats all on me being dogshit. cant recommend them enough, i would highly suggest you try them out.

looking to get the 148 or 149 titaniums next just so i could have trucks for a hotrod and magic carpet setup. probably gonna go 148 and use washers if neccessary.
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Quote from: tzhangdox on April 05, 2020, 11:52:25 PM
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Fuck. Price isn't the issue but rather if I get them and don't like them I dont wanna feel like a truck hoarder ya feel me. Should probably also mention that I have another set of Venture 5.8s on ice. The past month or two I've been thinking about trucks less and less, its a rabbit hole I was glad to finally climb out of.... but if Thunders (149 or 151) really could be better then might have to hop back in.
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Whats up with this washer talk I've been reading about recently? Are you guys sticking additional washers on the inside of your axles to push the wheels out further for more space to grind?

Also, fuck. I was trying to dissuade tzhangdox from getting Thunders and sticking to Venture 5.8, maybe try the Titanium ones!
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Yes, I did this on my Ace 44s back when I skated 8.5s. Worked especially well on Aces since the axles tend to be a little longer so I was able to push the wheels out to the point where it felt like a true 8.5 truck with 3 washers on the inside. Seems like on most trucks you can get away with at least two washers on the inside if you want.

The ventures I just hit axle on are titaniums, loved how light they are especially because Ventures in general have a heftier pop feeling. The set I have on ice are v-lights which have forged plates and hollow kingpin but solid axle so are a bit heavier, I definitely prefer a lighter setup but I'd feel kinda stupid shelling out for more titaniums if I already have the same truck just not titanium.

ps just caught up on a few threads sounds like you got back smiths now, tight.

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Someone talk me out of trying some thunders for the first time in years. Recently hit axle on my venture 5.8s and will probably retire them soon ish. Considering Thunders for quick pop, the alleged 'pinch' and the fact that they're less of a 'hard' grind than ventures. Thinking about getting 151s even though I skate 8.25-8.38s for even better pinch on shitty ledges, the hollow lights are pretty light and the fact that they're lower makes me think it will be ok for flatground. I skate mostly concrete ledges so the soft grind and better pinch might be nice. Bit worried about no baseplate contact for slides, lack of kingpin clearance and wheelbite too. Should I just stick with more venture 5.8s or could Thunders be a move.
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i ride the 151 hollow lights with an 8.5 and i love them. favorite truck ive owned by miles. light, snappy, and responsive. wheelbite is an issue when im being sloppy, but thats all on me being dogshit. cant recommend them enough, i would highly suggest you try them out.

looking to get the 148 or 149 titaniums next just so i could have trucks for a hotrod and magic carpet setup. probably gonna go 148 and use washers if neccessary.
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Would you say the pinch is noticeably better than other trucks? And how do you find the lack of baseplate contact for slides and how do you find the kingpin clearance? Those are my biggest concerns over slight differences in turning or pop feel.

edit: fuckit just copped
hope you like em man. be sure to put up your review, everyone has a different opinion with thunders here
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on April 06, 2020, 03:29:08 AM
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Someone talk me out of trying some thunders for the first time in years. Recently hit axle on my venture 5.8s and will probably retire them soon ish. Considering Thunders for quick pop, the alleged 'pinch' and the fact that they're less of a 'hard' grind than ventures. Thinking about getting 151s even though I skate 8.25-8.38s for even better pinch on shitty ledges, the hollow lights are pretty light and the fact that they're lower makes me think it will be ok for flatground. I skate mostly concrete ledges so the soft grind and better pinch might be nice. Bit worried about no baseplate contact for slides, lack of kingpin clearance and wheelbite too. Should I just stick with more venture 5.8s or could Thunders be a move.
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i ride the 151 hollow lights with an 8.5 and i love them. favorite truck ive owned by miles. light, snappy, and responsive. wheelbite is an issue when im being sloppy, but thats all on me being dogshit. cant recommend them enough, i would highly suggest you try them out.

looking to get the 148 or 149 titaniums next just so i could have trucks for a hotrod and magic carpet setup. probably gonna go 148 and use washers if neccessary.
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Fuck. Price isn't the issue but rather if I get them and don't like them I dont wanna feel like a truck hoarder ya feel me. Should probably also mention that I have another set of Venture 5.8s on ice. The past month or two I've been thinking about trucks less and less, its a rabbit hole I was glad to finally climb out of.... but if Thunders (149 or 151) really could be better then might have to hop back in.
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Whats up with this washer talk I've been reading about recently? Are you guys sticking additional washers on the inside of your axles to push the wheels out further for more space to grind?

Also, fuck. I was trying to dissuade tzhangdox from getting Thunders and sticking to Venture 5.8, maybe try the Titanium ones!
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Yes, I did this on my Ace 44s back when I skated 8.5s. Worked especially well on Aces since the axles tend to be a little longer so I was able to push the wheels out to the point where it felt like a true 8.5 truck with 3 washers on the inside. Seems like on most trucks you can get away with at least two washers on the inside if you want.

The ventures I just hit axle on are titaniums, loved how light they are especially because Ventures in general have a heftier pop feeling. The set I have on ice are v-lights which have forged plates and hollow kingpin but solid axle so are a bit heavier, I definitely prefer a lighter setup but I'd feel kinda stupid shelling out for more titaniums if I already have the same truck just not titanium.

ps just caught up on a few threads sounds like you got back smiths now, tight.

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Someone talk me out of trying some thunders for the first time in years. Recently hit axle on my venture 5.8s and will probably retire them soon ish. Considering Thunders for quick pop, the alleged 'pinch' and the fact that they're less of a 'hard' grind than ventures. Thinking about getting 151s even though I skate 8.25-8.38s for even better pinch on shitty ledges, the hollow lights are pretty light and the fact that they're lower makes me think it will be ok for flatground. I skate mostly concrete ledges so the soft grind and better pinch might be nice. Bit worried about no baseplate contact for slides, lack of kingpin clearance and wheelbite too. Should I just stick with more venture 5.8s or could Thunders be a move.
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i ride the 151 hollow lights with an 8.5 and i love them. favorite truck ive owned by miles. light, snappy, and responsive. wheelbite is an issue when im being sloppy, but thats all on me being dogshit. cant recommend them enough, i would highly suggest you try them out.

looking to get the 148 or 149 titaniums next just so i could have trucks for a hotrod and magic carpet setup. probably gonna go 148 and use washers if neccessary.
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Would you say the pinch is noticeably better than other trucks? And how do you find the lack of baseplate contact for slides and how do you find the kingpin clearance? Those are my biggest concerns over slight differences in turning or pop feel.

edit: fuckit just copped

Dude I'm still working on them! Haven't tried one in weeks after I retired my setup with the Venture 5.2 Lo V-Hollow. the couple of mm height difference makes the world of difference to me especially since I've never been great with BS tricks. I'm riding Tensor Maglight ATG 5.5 which are super light but a fair bit higher at 55mm, been struggling to get as nice a pinch on my FS Crooks and BS Smiths, both of which I learned on Ventures hence the psychological attachment.

How were the 5.8 Titanium and what did you pair them with? I have 3 8.25 boards ready for that Venture love.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on April 06, 2020, 06:03:29 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on April 06, 2020, 12:44:28 AM
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Someone talk me out of trying some thunders for the first time in years. Recently hit axle on my venture 5.8s and will probably retire them soon ish. Considering Thunders for quick pop, the alleged 'pinch' and the fact that they're less of a 'hard' grind than ventures. Thinking about getting 151s even though I skate 8.25-8.38s for even better pinch on shitty ledges, the hollow lights are pretty light and the fact that they're lower makes me think it will be ok for flatground. I skate mostly concrete ledges so the soft grind and better pinch might be nice. Bit worried about no baseplate contact for slides, lack of kingpin clearance and wheelbite too. Should I just stick with more venture 5.8s or could Thunders be a move.
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i ride the 151 hollow lights with an 8.5 and i love them. favorite truck ive owned by miles. light, snappy, and responsive. wheelbite is an issue when im being sloppy, but thats all on me being dogshit. cant recommend them enough, i would highly suggest you try them out.

looking to get the 148 or 149 titaniums next just so i could have trucks for a hotrod and magic carpet setup. probably gonna go 148 and use washers if neccessary.
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Fuck. Price isn't the issue but rather if I get them and don't like them I dont wanna feel like a truck hoarder ya feel me. Should probably also mention that I have another set of Venture 5.8s on ice. The past month or two I've been thinking about trucks less and less, its a rabbit hole I was glad to finally climb out of.... but if Thunders (149 or 151) really could be better then might have to hop back in.
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Whats up with this washer talk I've been reading about recently? Are you guys sticking additional washers on the inside of your axles to push the wheels out further for more space to grind?

Also, fuck. I was trying to dissuade tzhangdox from getting Thunders and sticking to Venture 5.8, maybe try the Titanium ones!
Exactly, I'm doing that with Ace 44 since they don't have an 8.5" truck. 2 washers inside and 1 on the outside but after reading tzhangdox I'm curious to go for 3
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tyshoes on April 06, 2020, 09:15:56 AM
Just wanted to add that the Gullwing Shadows turn just like indys stage 8 and are only 50mm high. I havent seen anyone mention these but theyre very nice mid hight trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 06, 2020, 11:08:51 AM
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Someone talk me out of trying some thunders for the first time in years. Recently hit axle on my venture 5.8s and will probably retire them soon ish. Considering Thunders for quick pop, the alleged 'pinch' and the fact that they're less of a 'hard' grind than ventures. Thinking about getting 151s even though I skate 8.25-8.38s for even better pinch on shitty ledges, the hollow lights are pretty light and the fact that they're lower makes me think it will be ok for flatground. I skate mostly concrete ledges so the soft grind and better pinch might be nice. Bit worried about no baseplate contact for slides, lack of kingpin clearance and wheelbite too. Should I just stick with more venture 5.8s or could Thunders be a move.
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i ride the 151 hollow lights with an 8.5 and i love them. favorite truck ive owned by miles. light, snappy, and responsive. wheelbite is an issue when im being sloppy, but thats all on me being dogshit. cant recommend them enough, i would highly suggest you try them out.

looking to get the 148 or 149 titaniums next just so i could have trucks for a hotrod and magic carpet setup. probably gonna go 148 and use washers if neccessary.
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Quote from: tzhangdox on April 05, 2020, 11:52:25 PM
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Fuck. Price isn't the issue but rather if I get them and don't like them I dont wanna feel like a truck hoarder ya feel me. Should probably also mention that I have another set of Venture 5.8s on ice. The past month or two I've been thinking about trucks less and less, its a rabbit hole I was glad to finally climb out of.... but if Thunders (149 or 151) really could be better then might have to hop back in.
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Whats up with this washer talk I've been reading about recently? Are you guys sticking additional washers on the inside of your axles to push the wheels out further for more space to grind?

Also, fuck. I was trying to dissuade tzhangdox from getting Thunders and sticking to Venture 5.8, maybe try the Titanium ones!
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Exactly, I'm doing that with Ace 44 since they don't have an 8.5" truck. 2 washers inside and 1 on the outside but after reading tzhangdox I'm curious to go for 3

Yeah it gets weird if you have super skinny wheels but should be fine on most.

@Rocklobster I've beens skating Venture 5.8 titaniums with 8.25s 14.25-38 wheelbase for a while now. I liked them a lot. I like to have my setup as light as I can so having a really light 8.5 venture was great. Tried some 5.2 highs and wasn't a fan of the magic carpet feeling, it turned better but felt like it wasn't as forgiving on unstable landings and also the ledges I usually skate are chunky concrete so skinny trucks don't lock as well on them. Didn't really notice them being better for flip tricks either. I guess I came from 8.5 setups so I'm very used to an 8.5 truck. A little bit worried that an 8.75 truck could fuck with me a bit too much on 8.25 decks in some ways like when I tried Ace 55s on 8.5/8.6 a while back but I feel like that was more because ace 55s are super clunky (despite turning amazing) and have absurdly long hotrod axles. Tempted to run no washers on the inside of 151s but would that mess with the bearings rolling properly hmmm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 06, 2020, 12:12:12 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on April 06, 2020, 11:08:51 AM
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Someone talk me out of trying some thunders for the first time in years. Recently hit axle on my venture 5.8s and will probably retire them soon ish. Considering Thunders for quick pop, the alleged 'pinch' and the fact that they're less of a 'hard' grind than ventures. Thinking about getting 151s even though I skate 8.25-8.38s for even better pinch on shitty ledges, the hollow lights are pretty light and the fact that they're lower makes me think it will be ok for flatground. I skate mostly concrete ledges so the soft grind and better pinch might be nice. Bit worried about no baseplate contact for slides, lack of kingpin clearance and wheelbite too. Should I just stick with more venture 5.8s or could Thunders be a move.
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i ride the 151 hollow lights with an 8.5 and i love them. favorite truck ive owned by miles. light, snappy, and responsive. wheelbite is an issue when im being sloppy, but thats all on me being dogshit. cant recommend them enough, i would highly suggest you try them out.

looking to get the 148 or 149 titaniums next just so i could have trucks for a hotrod and magic carpet setup. probably gonna go 148 and use washers if neccessary.
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Quote from: tzhangdox on April 05, 2020, 11:52:25 PM
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Fuck. Price isn't the issue but rather if I get them and don't like them I dont wanna feel like a truck hoarder ya feel me. Should probably also mention that I have another set of Venture 5.8s on ice. The past month or two I've been thinking about trucks less and less, its a rabbit hole I was glad to finally climb out of.... but if Thunders (149 or 151) really could be better then might have to hop back in.
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Whats up with this washer talk I've been reading about recently? Are you guys sticking additional washers on the inside of your axles to push the wheels out further for more space to grind?

Also, fuck. I was trying to dissuade tzhangdox from getting Thunders and sticking to Venture 5.8, maybe try the Titanium ones!
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Exactly, I'm doing that with Ace 44 since they don't have an 8.5" truck. 2 washers inside and 1 on the outside but after reading tzhangdox I'm curious to go for 3
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Yeah it gets weird if you have super skinny wheels but should be fine on most.

@Rocklobster I've beens skating Venture 5.8 titaniums with 8.25s 14.25-38 wheelbase for a while now. I liked them a lot. I like to have my setup as light as I can so having a really light 8.5 venture was great. Tried some 5.2 highs and wasn't a fan of the magic carpet feeling, it turned better but felt like it wasn't as forgiving on unstable landings and also the ledges I usually skate are chunky concrete so skinny trucks don't lock as well on them. Didn't really notice them being better for flip tricks either. I guess I came from 8.5 setups so I'm very used to an 8.5 truck. A little bit worried that an 8.75 truck could fuck with me a bit too much on 8.25 decks in some ways like when I tried Ace 55s on 8.5/8.6 a while back but I feel like that was more because ace 55s are super clunky (despite turning amazing) and have absurdly long hotrod axles. Tempted to run no washers on the inside of 151s but would that mess with the bearings rolling properly hmmm

There are some really small/narrow speed rings, could help.
I had 151s, hollow lights, and they were really sick. Liked them a lot. Got them for the cardiel football: was trying to be like Cory. Rode them on an 8.38 as well. Here’s the thing for me tho: why? Wide trucks look so sick. And like Frozen said, the wider trucks than board, looks like a more pleasant time when 8” trucks were being used on 7.5s. Beyond the aesthetics, I don’t get much benefit. Straight flip tricks are nice. My ledge ability is garbo, so I don’t get a noticeable improvement on 50/50s, 5-0s. Maybe the downhill stability is a bit better. Wider trucks turn slower, maybe that’s helpful when bombing hills. Thunders are light trucks. But the bigger the setup, the heavier, the more pain from attempting to make the barge move, for me. I was hyped when you were headed to smaller sizes, I feel like that can really help some people, and you tried it and wasn’t for you, so maybe the size up will treat you right! It’s interesting to me that a lot of the vert skaters ride 149s.
TL; please don’t read:

Worse things to do than experiment with some different trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 06, 2020, 12:24:42 PM
I definitely agree that wide trucks look super sick especially when properly grooved. Besides a few new flip tricks I just learned and am working on, I'm too lazy to skate flat for the most part nowadays so as long as they don't mess with my other go tos it won't be a problem. Ledges are 90% of what I skate so that's where I'm really hoping to feel an improvement in, whether it be in terms of pinch or lock in etc. I feel like I will definitely miss the stability of Ventures when setting my feet up in uncomfortable positions, and the baseplate slide and kingpin clearance but if they end up having other advantages then that could be a tradeoff I'm willing to make.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: spanyard on April 06, 2020, 01:49:03 PM
OK, I have succumbed to the collab of Truck Madness x Quarantine Cabin Fever, and have ordered a pair of the Bobby 5.8's from the Site That's Name Shall Not Be Uttered.

Normally I ride FH/Tit 149s on a 14" wheelbase, but my mental madness has got me thinking I've had increasingly stability issues and more ghost popping than normal after hitting my deck dimension's "sweet spot"

So I'm going to experiment:
1 setup will be 8.25 14" WB Business&Co/FH 149s/54mm 99D F4 Radials.
The other will be 8.4 14" WB Business&Co/Venture 5.8/54mm 99D F4 Radials

Can someone suggest if I should go with the green stock bushings the Ventures have, or put something else in?  I have a pair of black/yellow conical bones lying around, and a pair of Red Indy aftermarket conicals.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 06, 2020, 02:03:01 PM
leave venture bushings stock, unless you want to do the ace bottom/ace low top bushing combo that some people try. Bones are good in ventures too but unnecessary imo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 11112345 on April 06, 2020, 03:33:47 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on April 06, 2020, 02:03:01 PM
leave venture bushings stock, unless you want to do the ace bottom/ace low top bushing combo that some people try. Bones are good in ventures too but unnecessary imo.

yeah stock bushings for sure. swap top washers to bones flat (or hardware store equivalent) if u want to prevent random binding / if u want a slightly looser turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on April 06, 2020, 04:03:36 PM
Quote from: spanyard on April 06, 2020, 01:49:03 PM
OK, I have succumbed to the collab of Truck Madness x Quarantine Cabin Fever, and have ordered a pair of the Bobby 5.8's from the Site That's Name Shall Not Be Uttered.

Normally I ride FH/Tit 149s on a 14" wheelbase, but my mental madness has got me thinking I've had increasingly stability issues and more ghost popping than normal after hitting my deck dimension's "sweet spot"

So I'm going to experiment:
1 setup will be 8.25 14" WB Business&Co/FH 149s/54mm 99D F4 Radials.
The other will be 8.4 14" WB Business&Co/Venture 5.8/54mm 99D F4 Radials

Can someone suggest if I should go with the green stock bushings the Ventures have, or put something else in?  I have a pair of black/yellow conical bones lying around, and a pair of Red Indy aftermarket conicals.

Thanks in advance.

how you like the b&c boards? what do the shapes look like? concave etc. I just got one in 7.75” waiting on it in the mail.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 06, 2020, 04:06:55 PM
Quote from: TFUCKINA on April 06, 2020, 04:03:36 PM
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OK, I have succumbed to the collab of Truck Madness x Quarantine Cabin Fever, and have ordered a pair of the Bobby 5.8's from the Site That's Name Shall Not Be Uttered.

Normally I ride FH/Tit 149s on a 14" wheelbase, but my mental madness has got me thinking I've had increasingly stability issues and more ghost popping than normal after hitting my deck dimension's "sweet spot"

So I'm going to experiment:
1 setup will be 8.25 14" WB Business&Co/FH 149s/54mm 99D F4 Radials.
The other will be 8.4 14" WB Business&Co/Venture 5.8/54mm 99D F4 Radials

Can someone suggest if I should go with the green stock bushings the Ventures have, or put something else in?  I have a pair of black/yellow conical bones lying around, and a pair of Red Indy aftermarket conicals.

Thanks in advance.
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how you like the b&c boards? what do the shapes look like? concave etc. I just got one in 7.75” waiting on it in the mail.


They had some nice 7.75s. If I needed a board....if you feel like listing your thoughts in the shape when you get it, that would be awesome
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on April 06, 2020, 04:22:29 PM
for sure!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on April 06, 2020, 05:43:41 PM
Quote from: spanyard on April 06, 2020, 01:49:03 PM
OK, I have succumbed to the collab of Truck Madness x Quarantine Cabin Fever, and have ordered a pair of the Bobby 5.8's from the Site That's Name Shall Not Be Uttered.

Normally I ride FH/Tit 149s on a 14" wheelbase, but my mental madness has got me thinking I've had increasingly stability issues and more ghost popping than normal after hitting my deck dimension's "sweet spot"

So I'm going to experiment:
1 setup will be 8.25 14" WB Business&Co/FH 149s/54mm 99D F4 Radials.
The other will be 8.4 14" WB Business&Co/Venture 5.8/54mm 99D F4 Radials

Can someone suggest if I should go with the green stock bushings the Ventures have, or put something else in?  I have a pair of black/yellow conical bones lying around, and a pair of Red Indy aftermarket conicals.

Thanks in advance.
What’s the length on that b&c you have the ventures on. The length on the one I had was 31.3 and I didn’t have ventures on it but I wouldn’t mind getting that shape again .
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: spanyard on April 06, 2020, 05:54:22 PM
Quote from: TFUCKINA on April 06, 2020, 04:03:36 PM
Quote from: spanyard on April 06, 2020, 01:49:03 PM
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OK, I have succumbed to the collab of Truck Madness x Quarantine Cabin Fever, and have ordered a pair of the Bobby 5.8's from the Site That's Name Shall Not Be Uttered.

Normally I ride FH/Tit 149s on a 14" wheelbase, but my mental madness has got me thinking I've had increasingly stability issues and more ghost popping than normal after hitting my deck dimension's "sweet spot"

So I'm going to experiment:
1 setup will be 8.25 14" WB Business&Co/FH 149s/54mm 99D F4 Radials.
The other will be 8.4 14" WB Business&Co/Venture 5.8/54mm 99D F4 Radials

Can someone suggest if I should go with the green stock bushings the Ventures have, or put something else in?  I have a pair of black/yellow conical bones lying around, and a pair of Red Indy aftermarket conicals.

Thanks in advance.
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how you like the b&c boards? what do the shapes look like? concave etc. I just got one in 7.75” waiting on it in the mail.

I'm loving the 8.25 I'm riding right now.  Pretty much the same look/feel of other BBS 14" WB popsicles I've had like DLX/primitive, maybe more squarish nose...  Concave is medium, kicks medium.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: spanyard on April 06, 2020, 06:00:26 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on April 06, 2020, 05:43:41 PM
Quote from: spanyard on April 06, 2020, 01:49:03 PM
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OK, I have succumbed to the collab of Truck Madness x Quarantine Cabin Fever, and have ordered a pair of the Bobby 5.8's from the Site That's Name Shall Not Be Uttered.

Normally I ride FH/Tit 149s on a 14" wheelbase, but my mental madness has got me thinking I've had increasingly stability issues and more ghost popping than normal after hitting my deck dimension's "sweet spot"

So I'm going to experiment:
1 setup will be 8.25 14" WB Business&Co/FH 149s/54mm 99D F4 Radials.
The other will be 8.4 14" WB Business&Co/Venture 5.8/54mm 99D F4 Radials

Can someone suggest if I should go with the green stock bushings the Ventures have, or put something else in?  I have a pair of black/yellow conical bones lying around, and a pair of Red Indy aftermarket conicals.

Thanks in advance.
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What’s the length on that b&c you have the ventures on. The length on the one I had was 31.3 and I didn’t have ventures on it but I wouldn’t mind getting that shape again .

The 8.4 biz&co is 31.8" length. So a little more nose/tail than the 8.25... I'm excited to see how this turns out.  Here's the link to the two b&c decks I have, same graphics different sizes:

https://businessandcompanyskateboards.com/collections/decks/products/fluoro-butterflies-skateboard-deck

Thanks for the advice on the 5.8s everybody.  I think I'll go stock with flat top washers.  Shalom.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on April 06, 2020, 06:09:01 PM
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Someone talk me out of trying some thunders for the first time in years. Recently hit axle on my venture 5.8s and will probably retire them soon ish. Considering Thunders for quick pop, the alleged 'pinch' and the fact that they're less of a 'hard' grind than ventures. Thinking about getting 151s even though I skate 8.25-8.38s for even better pinch on shitty ledges, the hollow lights are pretty light and the fact that they're lower makes me think it will be ok for flatground. I skate mostly concrete ledges so the soft grind and better pinch might be nice. Bit worried about no baseplate contact for slides, lack of kingpin clearance and wheelbite too. Should I just stick with more venture 5.8s or could Thunders be a move.
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i ride the 151 hollow lights with an 8.5 and i love them. favorite truck ive owned by miles. light, snappy, and responsive. wheelbite is an issue when im being sloppy, but thats all on me being dogshit. cant recommend them enough, i would highly suggest you try them out.

looking to get the 148 or 149 titaniums next just so i could have trucks for a hotrod and magic carpet setup. probably gonna go 148 and use washers if neccessary.
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Quote from: tzhangdox on April 05, 2020, 11:52:25 PM
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Fuck. Price isn't the issue but rather if I get them and don't like them I dont wanna feel like a truck hoarder ya feel me. Should probably also mention that I have another set of Venture 5.8s on ice. The past month or two I've been thinking about trucks less and less, its a rabbit hole I was glad to finally climb out of.... but if Thunders (149 or 151) really could be better then might have to hop back in.
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Whats up with this washer talk I've been reading about recently? Are you guys sticking additional washers on the inside of your axles to push the wheels out further for more space to grind?

Also, fuck. I was trying to dissuade tzhangdox from getting Thunders and sticking to Venture 5.8, maybe try the Titanium ones!
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Exactly, I'm doing that with Ace 44 since they don't have an 8.5" truck. 2 washers inside and 1 on the outside but after reading tzhangdox I'm curious to go for 3
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Yeah it gets weird if you have super skinny wheels but should be fine on most.

@Rocklobster I've beens skating Venture 5.8 titaniums with 8.25s 14.25-38 wheelbase for a while now. I liked them a lot. I like to have my setup as light as I can so having a really light 8.5 venture was great. Tried some 5.2 highs and wasn't a fan of the magic carpet feeling, it turned better but felt like it wasn't as forgiving on unstable landings and also the ledges I usually skate are chunky concrete so skinny trucks don't lock as well on them. Didn't really notice them being better for flip tricks either. I guess I came from 8.5 setups so I'm very used to an 8.5 truck. A little bit worried that an 8.75 truck could fuck with me a bit too much on 8.25 decks in some ways like when I tried Ace 55s on 8.5/8.6 a while back but I feel like that was more because ace 55s are super clunky (despite turning amazing) and have absurdly long hotrod axles. Tempted to run no washers on the inside of 151s but would that mess with the bearings rolling properly hmmm

That board WB would have me all kinds of concerns when paired with Ventures. 14.25" + 3.4" from trucks seems pretty long, guess it's compensated by having lighter trucks.

I've done (axle to axle) 17.51 with a Real (8.18 x 31.8 x 14.38) and Tensor Maglight ATG (3.125), the board is incredibly light but way too light on the tail so the timing for pops is off. Can't wait for my Ventures in to add some weight and breathe some life back into this deck, after this whole lockdown thing is over too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shpongle on April 06, 2020, 06:16:42 PM
has anyone here ran ace (low) bushings in indy trucks? did they feel more like "ace's" or "indy's"?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 06, 2020, 06:23:06 PM
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Someone talk me out of trying some thunders for the first time in years. Recently hit axle on my venture 5.8s and will probably retire them soon ish. Considering Thunders for quick pop, the alleged 'pinch' and the fact that they're less of a 'hard' grind than ventures. Thinking about getting 151s even though I skate 8.25-8.38s for even better pinch on shitty ledges, the hollow lights are pretty light and the fact that they're lower makes me think it will be ok for flatground. I skate mostly concrete ledges so the soft grind and better pinch might be nice. Bit worried about no baseplate contact for slides, lack of kingpin clearance and wheelbite too. Should I just stick with more venture 5.8s or could Thunders be a move.
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i ride the 151 hollow lights with an 8.5 and i love them. favorite truck ive owned by miles. light, snappy, and responsive. wheelbite is an issue when im being sloppy, but thats all on me being dogshit. cant recommend them enough, i would highly suggest you try them out.

looking to get the 148 or 149 titaniums next just so i could have trucks for a hotrod and magic carpet setup. probably gonna go 148 and use washers if neccessary.
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Fuck. Price isn't the issue but rather if I get them and don't like them I dont wanna feel like a truck hoarder ya feel me. Should probably also mention that I have another set of Venture 5.8s on ice. The past month or two I've been thinking about trucks less and less, its a rabbit hole I was glad to finally climb out of.... but if Thunders (149 or 151) really could be better then might have to hop back in.
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Whats up with this washer talk I've been reading about recently? Are you guys sticking additional washers on the inside of your axles to push the wheels out further for more space to grind?

Also, fuck. I was trying to dissuade tzhangdox from getting Thunders and sticking to Venture 5.8, maybe try the Titanium ones!
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Exactly, I'm doing that with Ace 44 since they don't have an 8.5" truck. 2 washers inside and 1 on the outside but after reading tzhangdox I'm curious to go for 3
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Yeah it gets weird if you have super skinny wheels but should be fine on most.

@Rocklobster I've beens skating Venture 5.8 titaniums with 8.25s 14.25-38 wheelbase for a while now. I liked them a lot. I like to have my setup as light as I can so having a really light 8.5 venture was great. Tried some 5.2 highs and wasn't a fan of the magic carpet feeling, it turned better but felt like it wasn't as forgiving on unstable landings and also the ledges I usually skate are chunky concrete so skinny trucks don't lock as well on them. Didn't really notice them being better for flip tricks either. I guess I came from 8.5 setups so I'm very used to an 8.5 truck. A little bit worried that an 8.75 truck could fuck with me a bit too much on 8.25 decks in some ways like when I tried Ace 55s on 8.5/8.6 a while back but I feel like that was more because ace 55s are super clunky (despite turning amazing) and have absurdly long hotrod axles. Tempted to run no washers on the inside of 151s but would that mess with the bearings rolling properly hmmm
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That board WB would have me all kinds of concerns when paired with Ventures. 14.25" + 3.4" from trucks seems pretty long, guess it's compensated by having lighter trucks.

I've done (axle to axle) 17.51 with a Real (8.18 x 31.8 x 14.38) and Tensor Maglight ATG (3.125), the board is incredibly light but way too light on the tail so the timing for pops is off. Can't wait for my Ventures in to add some weight and breathe some life back into this deck, after this whole lockdown thing is over too.

The wheelbase is pretty ideal for me, I'm 6 5 and only recently started sizing down my setup in width, length and wb.  I have a feeling on Thunder 151s I might want to stick to 14.38, though I'm sure 14.25 will be doable. Going down even further in length/wb might make spacing for 180 into grinds and certain flip tricks easier, but would definitely leave me prone to slipping out more.

I always thought that lighter is better and that there's no benefit to a heavy setup since skateboards are generally quite heavy already. Lighter setups definitely seem to allow me to do tricks more casually and I can skate for longer as a result of the reduced effort. But I'm starting to think there might be a point where a setup feels too light, not necessarily the weight of the setup (which I still think is always better off light) but rather how light the pop feels.

Currently skating a Quasi 8.25 with the flattest tail I've skated in a long time, and coming from a DOA 8.25 with super steep kicks, the pop off the tail definitely does feel a little too light with the super light titaniums. Nose is normal though and feels great for switch tricks. Just set up the v-lights on it and just hitting the tail on the ground to pick up my board seems to take a little more effort (in a good-ish way)... maybe this will make me care about weight a little less. Though it seems that Thunders, being lighter, lower and having a shorter effective wheelbase than ventures with forged plates, might have an even lighter pop feel than Ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 06, 2020, 06:42:21 PM
Quote from: spanyard on April 06, 2020, 01:49:03 PM
OK, I have succumbed to the collab of Truck Madness x Quarantine Cabin Fever, and have ordered a pair of the Bobby 5.8's from the Site That's Name Shall Not Be Uttered.

Normally I ride FH/Tit 149s on a 14" wheelbase, but my mental madness has got me thinking I've had increasingly stability issues and more ghost popping than normal after hitting my deck dimension's "sweet spot"

So I'm going to experiment:
1 setup will be 8.25 14" WB Business&Co/FH 149s/54mm 99D F4 Radials.
The other will be 8.4 14" WB Business&Co/Venture 5.8/54mm 99D F4 Radials

Can someone suggest if I should go with the green stock bushings the Ventures have, or put something else in?  I have a pair of black/yellow conical bones lying around, and a pair of Red Indy aftermarket conicals.

Thanks in advance.

I'm interested in what You think of B&C. I'm definitely into 14"wb.

The green. I wish my trucks came with the green so bad.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: spanyard on April 06, 2020, 07:27:27 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on April 06, 2020, 06:42:21 PM
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OK, I have succumbed to the collab of Truck Madness x Quarantine Cabin Fever, and have ordered a pair of the Bobby 5.8's from the Site That's Name Shall Not Be Uttered.

Normally I ride FH/Tit 149s on a 14" wheelbase, but my mental madness has got me thinking I've had increasingly stability issues and more ghost popping than normal after hitting my deck dimension's "sweet spot"

So I'm going to experiment:
1 setup will be 8.25 14" WB Business&Co/FH 149s/54mm 99D F4 Radials.
The other will be 8.4 14" WB Business&Co/Venture 5.8/54mm 99D F4 Radials

Can someone suggest if I should go with the green stock bushings the Ventures have, or put something else in?  I have a pair of black/yellow conical bones lying around, and a pair of Red Indy aftermarket conicals.

Thanks in advance.
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I'm interested in what You think of B&C. I'm definitely into 14"wb.

The green. I wish my trucks came with the green so bad.

Loving it. Love BBS and this 8.25 is reminiscent of the antihero 8.28 or 8.12 which are my favorites.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nathanhenry18 on April 06, 2020, 09:37:29 PM
I wanna get Aces, I ride an 8.5 and sometimes I step up to an 8.6-8.75, should I get the 55's or 44's
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 06, 2020, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: nathanhenry18 on April 06, 2020, 09:37:29 PM
I wanna get Aces, I ride an 8.5 and sometimes I step up to an 8.6-8.75, should I get the 55's or 44's

I’ve used 44’s on everything from 8.12-8.75 and they were fine, though the 8.75 was kind of stretching it for me. Seems like 8.6 and lower would be better with 44’s and 8.75+ better off with 55’s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 06, 2020, 10:42:24 PM
On 44's you can cram yourself into an 8 1/4if you're in a pinch or obsessively look for an 8 3/8.... Which is perfect....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chappers on April 07, 2020, 04:33:37 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 06, 2020, 10:42:24 PM
On 44's you can cram yourself into an 8 1/4if you're in a pinch or obsessively look for an 8 3/8.... Which is perfect....

just copped 44's for this exact reason. copped the kader jerry baker board too which is 8 3/8 x 32 x 14.5 wb, mellow shape. looking forward to skating it, just waiting for my wheels to come and ill post a pic in the setup thread of my quar-complete
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: slappy50 on April 07, 2020, 02:56:29 PM
Hey PALS,

My trucks (indy 159 hollows) have been making a lot of noise as of late, and I have tried a few different methods of getting em to shut up

I tried:
speed cream in the pivot cup, which worked for a while, but turned into a greasy mess after a while, and then the squeaking + a clicking noise started.   

Then, I tried

wax shavings in the pivot cup + on contact surfaces of the bushing (top + bottom), as well as on the inside + outside of the washers

And yet, the still are making the loud squeaking noise and the  occasional clicking noise

anyone got anything I should try?

Thanks, and  s h a l o m
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 07, 2020, 03:11:12 PM
Quote from: slappy50 on April 07, 2020, 02:56:29 PM
Hey PALS,

My trucks (indy 159 hollows) have been making a lot of noise as of late, and I have tried a few different methods of getting em to shut up

I tried:
speed cream in the pivot cup, which worked for a while, but turned into a greasy mess after a while, and then the squeaking + a clicking noise started.   

Then, I tried

wax shavings in the pivot cup + on contact surfaces of the bushing (top + bottom), as well as on the inside + outside of the washers

And yet, the still are making the loud squeaking noise and the  occasional clicking noise

anyone got anything I should try?

Thanks, and  s h a l o m


Sounds FUCKING ANNOYING. I’d try removing baseplate and checking the kingpin: could be loose. That doesn’t really make any sense, but I don’t have any other ideas.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: slappy50 on April 07, 2020, 03:37:07 PM
I thought I might have to replace bushings, but I tried some slightly broken in orange indy bushings in there and it was still squeaking, so I might just get riptide pivot cups and see what that does. The trucks are fairly new too, as I got them around Christmas.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 07, 2020, 03:49:17 PM
Ah. My bad.  New 159s = probably the pivot cup. I skate ventures, mostly, and they can really squeak, but a little oil on the pivot cup and they good. My old Indy’s (USA cast) pivot cups are fine. Newer, forged plate Indy’s have less good pivot cups imo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: legion on April 07, 2020, 03:53:53 PM
For squeaks a silicone dry spray might work. Just make sure it's safe for rubber and plastic, I think most are now.
Tweak the hanger when you spray to get under the bushings better
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on April 07, 2020, 04:52:51 PM
Soap bar shavings on the pivot cup and bushings have always done me well, but if wax didn’t work I don’t how much better a bar of soap will do. My 159s were squeaky as hell.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on April 07, 2020, 05:54:48 PM
Quote from: YungJugg on April 07, 2020, 04:52:51 PM
Soap bar shavings on the pivot cup and bushings have always done me well, but if wax didn’t work I don’t how much better a bar of soap will do. My 159s were squeaky as hell.

Second the soap bar shavings. Whenever I tried the wax it got gummy real quick on the urethane. Soap just sort of turns to powder, no mess. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hillbilly shifty on April 07, 2020, 06:40:46 PM
Quote from: palelight on April 05, 2020, 08:41:40 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 05, 2020, 07:35:11 PM
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I was gifted, what I believe to be some unground Stage 8 146s today. Curiosity got the best of me so I took out the 20+ year old bushings and  put in some newer  88a Indy barrel bushings and swapped my Ace 44s for them. I had no idea they'd turn so damn well. The harder metal is great also. Compared to my 44s, they are a tad wider (might actually measure 146mm on the money but they seem to have an 8 3/8" hanger like 44s), they are also a little higher and they push the wheelbase out a tiny bit more than Ace but less than Stage 11s. I'd say these turn a lot better than Stage 11s. They are not even that heavy. The only downside is there is not as much kingpin clearance. Pretty stoked though. These will do until an Ace 8.5 comes outs.
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Proper jealous. I've managed to score stage 8 166's in that kind of shape but never 146's. They're indeed lighter than stage 11's, but as you noted the clearance is bad. And they have a tendency to slip axles (although not as bad as stage 7's). Enjoy that turn. For my money that design is the best wb/turn/height ratio that they ever did.

sweet! these are the perfect candidate for the krux down low kingpin swap. and no jb weld is needed.
hammer out the old kingpin, the new nut will slide + lock right into the groves left from the old kingpin hex head.
clearance problem solved + you shave a few grams of weight w/new hollow king pins. here's a shot of my stage 7s.
i also have a tip for preventing the axle slip. will take some pics + share
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 07, 2020, 06:52:45 PM
Quote from: hillbilly shifty on April 07, 2020, 06:40:46 PM
Quote from: palelight on April 05, 2020, 08:41:40 PM
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Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 05, 2020, 07:35:11 PM
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I was gifted, what I believe to be some unground Stage 8 146s today. Curiosity got the best of me so I took out the 20+ year old bushings and  put in some newer  88a Indy barrel bushings and swapped my Ace 44s for them. I had no idea they'd turn so damn well. The harder metal is great also. Compared to my 44s, they are a tad wider (might actually measure 146mm on the money but they seem to have an 8 3/8" hanger like 44s), they are also a little higher and they push the wheelbase out a tiny bit more than Ace but less than Stage 11s. I'd say these turn a lot better than Stage 11s. They are not even that heavy. The only downside is there is not as much kingpin clearance. Pretty stoked though. These will do until an Ace 8.5 comes outs.
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Proper jealous. I've managed to score stage 8 166's in that kind of shape but never 146's. They're indeed lighter than stage 11's, but as you noted the clearance is bad. And they have a tendency to slip axles (although not as bad as stage 7's). Enjoy that turn. For my money that design is the best wb/turn/height ratio that they ever did.
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sweet! these are the perfect candidate for the krux down low kingpin swap. and no jb weld is needed.
hammer out the old kingpin, the new nut will slide + lock right into the groves left from the old kingpin hex head.
clearance problem solved + you shave a few grams of weight w/new hollow king pins. here's a shot of my stage 7s.
i also have a tip for preventing the axle slip. will take some pics + share

please so. i wish i'd scored some 156s but the 146s will have to do. can't complain...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on April 07, 2020, 07:50:48 PM
Quote from: slappy50 on April 07, 2020, 02:56:29 PM
Hey PALS,

My trucks (indy 159 hollows) have been making a lot of noise as of late, and I have tried a few different methods of getting em to shut up

I tried:
speed cream in the pivot cup, which worked for a while, but turned into a greasy mess after a while, and then the squeaking + a clicking noise started.   

Then, I tried

wax shavings in the pivot cup + on contact surfaces of the bushing (top + bottom), as well as on the inside + outside of the washers

And yet, the still are making the loud squeaking noise and the  occasional clicking noise

anyone got anything I should try?

Thanks, and  s h a l o m

The squeak might be coming from the baseplate if your hardware is loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 07, 2020, 09:09:16 PM
setup up an alltimers 8.25 with thunder 151 HL and got the floatiest kickflips everwhen I gave a casual flick. the wider trucks just were working everywhere i wanted them to
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on April 07, 2020, 09:14:49 PM
Quote from: off on April 07, 2020, 09:09:16 PM
setup up an alltimers 8.25 with thunder 151 HL and got the floatiest kickflips everwhen I gave a casual flick. the wider trucks just were working everywhere i wanted them to

8.25 with 151? Now that's some crazy talk right there.

I do like the feeling of wider trucks vs board, so much room for activities. However, the added truck size has to be compensated by having a lighter version of the truck IMO.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sadnocomply on April 07, 2020, 09:19:32 PM
De gros been rockin that 8.3 151 life lately. Maybe it is nice and dreamy for activities  :o
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 07, 2020, 09:42:58 PM
Is it true that thunder Venture and now ace all began as an indy stage 3?

I don't remember a thunder that was not with X wing hangers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 07, 2020, 09:51:44 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on April 07, 2020, 09:14:49 PM
Quote from: off on April 07, 2020, 09:09:16 PM
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setup up an alltimers 8.25 with thunder 151 HL and got the floatiest kickflips everwhen I gave a casual flick. the wider trucks just were working everywhere i wanted them to
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8.25 with 151? Now that's some crazy talk right there.

I do like the feeling of wider trucks vs board, so much room for activities. However, the added truck size has to be compensated by having a lighter version of the truck IMO.

This is about to be me will report back end of weekend lol/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hillbilly shifty on April 09, 2020, 08:11:33 AM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 07, 2020, 06:52:45 PM
Quote from: hillbilly shifty on April 07, 2020, 06:40:46 PM
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Quote from: palelight on April 05, 2020, 08:41:40 PM
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Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 05, 2020, 07:35:11 PM
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I was gifted, what I believe to be some unground Stage 8 146s today. Curiosity got the best of me so I took out the 20+ year old bushings and  put in some newer  88a Indy barrel bushings and swapped my Ace 44s for them. I had no idea they'd turn so damn well. The harder metal is great also. Compared to my 44s, they are a tad wider (might actually measure 146mm on the money but they seem to have an 8 3/8" hanger like 44s), they are also a little higher and they push the wheelbase out a tiny bit more than Ace but less than Stage 11s. I'd say these turn a lot better than Stage 11s. They are not even that heavy. The only downside is there is not as much kingpin clearance. Pretty stoked though. These will do until an Ace 8.5 comes outs.
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Proper jealous. I've managed to score stage 8 166's in that kind of shape but never 146's. They're indeed lighter than stage 11's, but as you noted the clearance is bad. And they have a tendency to slip axles (although not as bad as stage 7's). Enjoy that turn. For my money that design is the best wb/turn/height ratio that they ever did.
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sweet! these are the perfect candidate for the krux down low kingpin swap. and no jb weld is needed.
hammer out the old kingpin, the new nut will slide + lock right into the groves left from the old kingpin hex head.
clearance problem solved + you shave a few grams of weight w/new hollow king pins. here's a shot of my stage 7s.
i also have a tip for preventing the axle slip. will take some pics + share
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please so. i wish i'd scored some 156s but the 146s will have to do. can't complain...
the stage 7+8 in that size are like todays 144s with 8.25" axles. i have a set, did the krux kingpin swap, and LOVE them.
to help prevent axle slip, i used a metal punch to 'crimp' the hanger metal into the exposed axle on the underside.
Give a few solid whacks to pinch the hanger metal into the axle. so far so good.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 09, 2020, 08:19:42 AM
Quote from: hillbilly shifty on April 09, 2020, 08:11:33 AM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 07, 2020, 06:52:45 PM
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Quote from: hillbilly shifty on April 07, 2020, 06:40:46 PM
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Quote from: palelight on April 05, 2020, 08:41:40 PM
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Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 05, 2020, 07:35:11 PM
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I was gifted, what I believe to be some unground Stage 8 146s today. Curiosity got the best of me so I took out the 20+ year old bushings and  put in some newer  88a Indy barrel bushings and swapped my Ace 44s for them. I had no idea they'd turn so damn well. The harder metal is great also. Compared to my 44s, they are a tad wider (might actually measure 146mm on the money but they seem to have an 8 3/8" hanger like 44s), they are also a little higher and they push the wheelbase out a tiny bit more than Ace but less than Stage 11s. I'd say these turn a lot better than Stage 11s. They are not even that heavy. The only downside is there is not as much kingpin clearance. Pretty stoked though. These will do until an Ace 8.5 comes outs.
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Proper jealous. I've managed to score stage 8 166's in that kind of shape but never 146's. They're indeed lighter than stage 11's, but as you noted the clearance is bad. And they have a tendency to slip axles (although not as bad as stage 7's). Enjoy that turn. For my money that design is the best wb/turn/height ratio that they ever did.
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sweet! these are the perfect candidate for the krux down low kingpin swap. and no jb weld is needed.
hammer out the old kingpin, the new nut will slide + lock right into the groves left from the old kingpin hex head.
clearance problem solved + you shave a few grams of weight w/new hollow king pins. here's a shot of my stage 7s.
i also have a tip for preventing the axle slip. will take some pics + share
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please so. i wish i'd scored some 156s but the 146s will have to do. can't complain...
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the stage 7+8 in that size are like todays 144s with 8.25" axles. i have a set, did the krux kingpin swap, and LOVE them.
to help prevent axle slip, i used a metal punch to 'crimp' the hanger metal into the exposed axle on the underside.
Give a few solid whacks to pinch the hanger metal into the axle. so far so good.


Hot tip. Needed you in the 90s real bad. Was one of the things that always kept me wary of Indy’s (everything slipped, I just always want to hate Indy).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on April 09, 2020, 08:31:41 AM
Anyone with cast baseplate thunder teams ocd about which baseplate faces front vs back. Lightening bolt facing front or nah? I always try and make the one with more exposed kingpin above the nut the rear. ::)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on April 09, 2020, 09:19:17 AM
Quote from: skatefresh on April 09, 2020, 08:31:41 AM
Anyone with cast baseplate thunder teams ocd about which baseplate faces front vs back. Lightening bolt facing front or nah? I always try and make the one with more exposed kingpin above the nut the rear. ::)
What?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on April 09, 2020, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: skatefresh on April 09, 2020, 08:31:41 AM
Anyone with cast baseplate thunder teams ocd about which baseplate faces front vs back. Lightening bolt facing front or nah? I always try and make the one with more exposed kingpin above the nut the rear. ::)
That always bugged me that they didn't always match. Lightning bolt pointing towards the tail. Same with the more exposed pin towards the rear, since you know it'll be the one that gets ground down anyway.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on April 09, 2020, 10:09:17 AM
Quote from: moonordie on April 09, 2020, 09:19:17 AM
Quote from: skatefresh on April 09, 2020, 08:31:41 AM
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Anyone with cast baseplate thunder teams ocd about which baseplate faces front vs back. Lightening bolt facing front or nah? I always try and make the one with more exposed kingpin above the nut the rear. ::)
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What?
On cast plate thunders they usually don't match with the logo. It will have either the three lines, lightening bolt or Team printed across the other side of the baseplate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 09, 2020, 10:12:16 AM
Quote from: skatefresh on April 09, 2020, 08:31:41 AM
Anyone with cast baseplate thunder teams ocd about which baseplate faces front vs back. Lightening bolt facing front or nah? I always try and make the one with more exposed kingpin above the nut the rear. ::)

Salamander up front, skull and bones out back. Terry said so.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on April 09, 2020, 12:17:41 PM
https://youtu.be/HYpas0B-6KA

Pretty good and comparison on two diff decks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on April 09, 2020, 01:57:07 PM
Quote from: skatefresh on April 09, 2020, 10:09:17 AM
Quote from: moonordie on April 09, 2020, 09:19:17 AM
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Quote from: skatefresh on April 09, 2020, 08:31:41 AM
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Anyone with cast baseplate thunder teams ocd about which baseplate faces front vs back. Lightening bolt facing front or nah? I always try and make the one with more exposed kingpin above the nut the rear. ::)
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What?
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On cast plate thunders they usually don't match with the logo. It will have either the three lines, lightening bolt or Team printed across the other side of the baseplate.
Monday = Thunder
I'll check
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 09, 2020, 03:22:53 PM
Quote from: hillbilly shifty on April 09, 2020, 08:11:33 AM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 07, 2020, 06:52:45 PM
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Quote from: hillbilly shifty on April 07, 2020, 06:40:46 PM
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Quote from: palelight on April 05, 2020, 08:41:40 PM
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Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 05, 2020, 07:35:11 PM
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I was gifted, what I believe to be some unground Stage 8 146s today. Curiosity got the best of me so I took out the 20+ year old bushings and  put in some newer  88a Indy barrel bushings and swapped my Ace 44s for them. I had no idea they'd turn so damn well. The harder metal is great also. Compared to my 44s, they are a tad wider (might actually measure 146mm on the money but they seem to have an 8 3/8" hanger like 44s), they are also a little higher and they push the wheelbase out a tiny bit more than Ace but less than Stage 11s. I'd say these turn a lot better than Stage 11s. They are not even that heavy. The only downside is there is not as much kingpin clearance. Pretty stoked though. These will do until an Ace 8.5 comes outs.
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Proper jealous. I've managed to score stage 8 166's in that kind of shape but never 146's. They're indeed lighter than stage 11's, but as you noted the clearance is bad. And they have a tendency to slip axles (although not as bad as stage 7's). Enjoy that turn. For my money that design is the best wb/turn/height ratio that they ever did.
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sweet! these are the perfect candidate for the krux down low kingpin swap. and no jb weld is needed.
hammer out the old kingpin, the new nut will slide + lock right into the groves left from the old kingpin hex head.
clearance problem solved + you shave a few grams of weight w/new hollow king pins. here's a shot of my stage 7s.
i also have a tip for preventing the axle slip. will take some pics + share
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please so. i wish i'd scored some 156s but the 146s will have to do. can't complain...
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the stage 7+8 in that size are like todays 144s with 8.25" axles. i have a set, did the krux kingpin swap, and LOVE them.
to help prevent axle slip, i used a metal punch to 'crimp' the hanger metal into the exposed axle on the underside.
Give a few solid whacks to pinch the hanger metal into the axle. so far so good.

definitely let me know how that goes.

My epoxy jobs just won't hold.



Skated thunders today. It's been a while. Once I got over the wheel bite I remember why I always skated thunders and some other low trucks.

Tre flips hit so much harder with a low truck. I was getting into nose manny like every try. I'm definitely not stoked on 8.5 thunder flip speed with straight flip tricks.

Taller is better still.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 09, 2020, 08:01:21 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on April 09, 2020, 12:17:41 PM
https://youtu.be/HYpas0B-6KA

Pretty good and comparison on two diff decks.

One of my favorite trucks but I always use them with 1/8" risers to destabilize them a bit (and for added clearance). I skate nothing like Ben though... but glad I can slappy better than him....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on April 09, 2020, 08:30:55 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 09, 2020, 08:01:21 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on April 09, 2020, 12:17:41 PM
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https://youtu.be/HYpas0B-6KA

Pretty good and comparison on two diff decks.
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One of my favorite trucks but I always use them with 1/8" risers to destabilize them a bit (and for added clearance). I skate nothing like Ben though... but glad I can slappy better than him....
yeah wondered about the risers bit w em same with 6.1, seems like he rides loose and w the conical fulls too..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 09, 2020, 08:53:29 PM
Crazy timing, was just thinking about 151s and got some. Had two skates on some 151 hollow lights, great truck but probably won't be my go-to.
For context, I'm skating 8.25/8.38s mostly and just came from 5.8 Venture titaniums.

Good:
Broke in really quickly, grind nice and the turn/pop feel are all great. Like many people say they're quite twitchy in the turn but it's really controllable and responsive, then again I'm not too fussed about precisely how a truck turns as long as its decent.

The pop feel is good too, I like how low they are, I feel like they would have been a bit much for flatground if I got the heavier team version given that I ride a small-ish board. But since they were so light and low, all my flatground was completely manageable and I don't think it took noticeably more effort than on my Ventures. Things flipped a bit slower though, this took a little bit to get used to but made certain flip tricks 'fold' better and others feel really floaty and satisfying.

Pinch is great too, was definitely getting into my pinchy grinds more proper, though I struggled a bit with holding them since the hanger tweaks differently to ventures and they're a quarter inch wider... feel like a week or so in and it wouldn't be a problem and would be better overall.

No issues with wheelbite either which was one of my biggest concerns.

Bad:
Kingpin clearance is less than Ventures, scraping on smiths isn't fun, I'm sure it would be fine after grinding it down a bit but nonetheless would have liked more clearance. The thing with Ventures is that there's so much clearance at first, and by the time your truck is ground down your Kingpin is gradually worn down, so there's no uncomfortable phase of having to wear out a fresh kingpin with no clearance.

You can still do all your slide tricks just fine with the recessed baseplate, especially if you wax the side of the ledge. But it definitely slows you down a lot on the longer slides. On longer nose or tailslides I was rolling away with noticeably less speed than if I was sliding on the baseplate. That on top of always having to wax the side of the ledge was getting pretty annoying.

Summary:
I think I'm going to go back to Ventures, got a set of 5.8 v-lights sitting around. Probably would skate these more if they slid on the baseplate. You can work around it, but I feel like its such a fixable design flaw that you shouldn't have to... Ventures are also a tiny bit more stable when setting up your feet in awkward positions or when you're going really fast but it's a very small difference, easily negated by the added responsiveness of Thunders. Might set these up on a fuckaround setup in the future though, feel like they'd be pretty perfect on a non tech board where I'm not doing smiths noseslides and tailslides.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 09, 2020, 08:59:14 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on April 09, 2020, 08:53:29 PM
Crazy timing, was just thinking about 151s and got some. Had two skates on some 151 hollow lights, great truck but probably won't be my go-to.
For context, I'm skating 8.25/8.38s mostly and just came from 5.8 Venture titaniums.

Good:
Broke in really quickly, grind nice and the turn/pop feel are all great. Like many people say they're quite twitchy in the turn but it's really controllable and responsive, then again I'm not too fussed about precisely how a truck turns as long as its decent.

The pop feel is good too, I like how low they are, I feel like they would have been a bit much for flatground if I got the heavier team version given that I ride a small-ish board. But since they were so light and low, all my flatground was completely manageable and I don't think it took noticeably more effort than on my Ventures. Things flipped a bit slower though, this took a little bit to get used to but made certain flip tricks 'fold' better and others feel really floaty and satisfying.

Pinch is great too, was definitely getting into my pinchy grinds more proper, though I struggled a bit with holding them since the hanger tweaks differently to ventures and they're a quarter inch wider... feel like a week or so in and it wouldn't be a problem and would be better overall.

No issues with wheelbite either which was one of my biggest concerns.

Bad:
Kingpin clearance is less than Ventures, scraping on smiths isn't fun, I'm sure it would be fine after grinding it down a bit but nonetheless would have liked more clearance. The thing with Ventures is that there's so much clearance at first, and by the time your truck is ground down your Kingpin is gradually worn down, so there's no uncomfortable phase of having to wear out a fresh kingpin with no clearance.

You can still do all your slide tricks just fine with the recessed baseplate, especially if you wax the side of the ledge. But it definitely slows you down a lot on the longer slides. On longer nose or tailslides I was rolling away with noticeably less speed than if I was sliding on the baseplate. That on top of always having to wax the side of the ledge was getting pretty annoying.

Summary:
I think I'm going to go back to Ventures, got a set of 5.8 v-lights sitting around. Probably would skate these more if they slid on the baseplate. You can work around it, but I feel like its such a fixable design flaw that you shouldn't have to... Ventures are also a tiny bit more stable when setting up your feet in awkward positions or when you're going really fast but it's a very small difference, easily negated by the added responsiveness of Thunders. Might set these up on a fuckaround setup in the future though, feel like they'd be pretty perfect on a non tech board where I'm not doing smiths noseslides and tailslides.
what wheels did you run with them?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 09, 2020, 09:34:21 PM
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Crazy timing, was just thinking about 151s and got some. Had two skates on some 151 hollow lights, great truck but probably won't be my go-to.
For context, I'm skating 8.25/8.38s mostly and just came from 5.8 Venture titaniums.

Good:
Broke in really quickly, grind nice and the turn/pop feel are all great. Like many people say they're quite twitchy in the turn but it's really controllable and responsive, then again I'm not too fussed about precisely how a truck turns as long as its decent.

The pop feel is good too, I like how low they are, I feel like they would have been a bit much for flatground if I got the heavier team version given that I ride a small-ish board. But since they were so light and low, all my flatground was completely manageable and I don't think it took noticeably more effort than on my Ventures. Things flipped a bit slower though, this took a little bit to get used to but made certain flip tricks 'fold' better and others feel really floaty and satisfying.

Pinch is great too, was definitely getting into my pinchy grinds more proper, though I struggled a bit with holding them since the hanger tweaks differently to ventures and they're a quarter inch wider... feel like a week or so in and it wouldn't be a problem and would be better overall.

No issues with wheelbite either which was one of my biggest concerns.

Bad:
Kingpin clearance is less than Ventures, scraping on smiths isn't fun, I'm sure it would be fine after grinding it down a bit but nonetheless would have liked more clearance. The thing with Ventures is that there's so much clearance at first, and by the time your truck is ground down your Kingpin is gradually worn down, so there's no uncomfortable phase of having to wear out a fresh kingpin with no clearance.

You can still do all your slide tricks just fine with the recessed baseplate, especially if you wax the side of the ledge. But it definitely slows you down a lot on the longer slides. On longer nose or tailslides I was rolling away with noticeably less speed than if I was sliding on the baseplate. That on top of always having to wax the side of the ledge was getting pretty annoying.

Summary:
I think I'm going to go back to Ventures, got a set of 5.8 v-lights sitting around. Probably would skate these more if they slid on the baseplate. You can work around it, but I feel like its such a fixable design flaw that you shouldn't have to... Ventures are also a tiny bit more stable when setting up your feet in awkward positions or when you're going really fast but it's a very small difference, easily negated by the added responsiveness of Thunders. Might set these up on a fuckaround setup in the future though, feel like they'd be pretty perfect on a non tech board where I'm not doing smiths noseslides and tailslides.
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what wheels did you run with them?

sml ag formula 52mm 99a, the v-cut shape similar proportions to an f4 conical... worn down to probably 51. Great wheel, feels like a very slightly softer f4 so nice on rough ground but definitely still a hard wheel with a very nice slide. In my experience they bluntslide on ledges just as well as 99 f4s so I'm not convinced that the wheel was the limiting factor. Perhaps I'll try again when I set up my next set of wheels which are f4s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 09, 2020, 09:36:34 PM
looking for a second truck to alternate with my thunder 151s on an 8.5 ish deck. either going with the 148 ti for better flip rotations or 149 ti to be flush with the deck. what should i go with?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 09, 2020, 09:39:49 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on April 09, 2020, 09:34:21 PM
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Crazy timing, was just thinking about 151s and got some. Had two skates on some 151 hollow lights, great truck but probably won't be my go-to.
For context, I'm skating 8.25/8.38s mostly and just came from 5.8 Venture titaniums.

Good:
Broke in really quickly, grind nice and the turn/pop feel are all great. Like many people say they're quite twitchy in the turn but it's really controllable and responsive, then again I'm not too fussed about precisely how a truck turns as long as its decent.

The pop feel is good too, I like how low they are, I feel like they would have been a bit much for flatground if I got the heavier team version given that I ride a small-ish board. But since they were so light and low, all my flatground was completely manageable and I don't think it took noticeably more effort than on my Ventures. Things flipped a bit slower though, this took a little bit to get used to but made certain flip tricks 'fold' better and others feel really floaty and satisfying.

Pinch is great too, was definitely getting into my pinchy grinds more proper, though I struggled a bit with holding them since the hanger tweaks differently to ventures and they're a quarter inch wider... feel like a week or so in and it wouldn't be a problem and would be better overall.

No issues with wheelbite either which was one of my biggest concerns.

Bad:
Kingpin clearance is less than Ventures, scraping on smiths isn't fun, I'm sure it would be fine after grinding it down a bit but nonetheless would have liked more clearance. The thing with Ventures is that there's so much clearance at first, and by the time your truck is ground down your Kingpin is gradually worn down, so there's no uncomfortable phase of having to wear out a fresh kingpin with no clearance.

You can still do all your slide tricks just fine with the recessed baseplate, especially if you wax the side of the ledge. But it definitely slows you down a lot on the longer slides. On longer nose or tailslides I was rolling away with noticeably less speed than if I was sliding on the baseplate. That on top of always having to wax the side of the ledge was getting pretty annoying.

Summary:
I think I'm going to go back to Ventures, got a set of 5.8 v-lights sitting around. Probably would skate these more if they slid on the baseplate. You can work around it, but I feel like its such a fixable design flaw that you shouldn't have to... Ventures are also a tiny bit more stable when setting up your feet in awkward positions or when you're going really fast but it's a very small difference, easily negated by the added responsiveness of Thunders. Might set these up on a fuckaround setup in the future though, feel like they'd be pretty perfect on a non tech board where I'm not doing smiths noseslides and tailslides.
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what wheels did you run with them?
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sml ag formula 52mm 99a, the v-cut shape similar proportions to an f4 conical... worn down to probably 51. Great wheel, feels like a very slightly softer f4 so nice on rough ground but definitely still a hard wheel with a very nice slide. In my experience they bluntslide on ledges just as well as 99 f4s so I'm not convinced that this particular wheel was the limiting factor. Perhaps I'll try again when I set up my next set of wheels which are f4s.
im on around 50mm radial slims 99. i agree that what you listed as cons have little to do with your wheels. i want to run 53 conical fulls next and i pray i dont need risers, really liking them low and responsive
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 09, 2020, 09:44:33 PM
Quote from: off on April 09, 2020, 09:36:34 PM
looking for a second truck to alternate with my thunder 151s on an 8.5 ish deck. either going with the 148 ti for better flip rotations or 149 ti to be flush with the deck. what should i go with?

I guess 148s for more of a difference? Going from 149 to 151 is noticeable but I don't think its worth buying two very similar ish trucks for one deck... sounds a bit too extra. Though I'm not convinced that smaller trucks really help that much with flip tricks. Tried Venture 5.2 ti on my 8.25 instead of 5.8 ti for a few weeks and all my flip tricks felt almost the same, the difference was hardly noticeable. If anything, the bigger difference was that it was less forgiving on sketchier landings and less stable when setting up in awkward positions.

I definitely didn't notice wheelbite affecting me, perhaps if you skate super loose might be an issue, but sometimes I just wax the wheelbite area and that usually lasts me an entire session.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on April 09, 2020, 09:47:35 PM
Quote from: off on April 09, 2020, 09:36:34 PM
looking for a second truck to alternate with my thunder 151s on an 8.5 ish deck. either going with the 148 ti for better flip rotations or 149 ti to be flush with the deck. what should i go with?
If you won't go under 8.38 I would go for 149
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 09, 2020, 10:10:51 PM
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looking for a second truck to alternate with my thunder 151s on an 8.5 ish deck. either going with the 148 ti for better flip rotations or 149 ti to be flush with the deck. what should i go with?
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I guess 148s for more of a difference? Going from 149 to 151 is noticeable but I don't think its worth buying two very similar ish trucks for one deck... sounds a bit too extra. Though I'm not convinced that smaller trucks really help that much with flip tricks. Tried Venture 5.2 ti on my 8.25 instead of 5.8 ti for a few weeks and all my flip tricks felt almost the same, the difference was hardly noticeable. If anything, the bigger difference was that it was less forgiving on sketchier landings and less stable when setting up in awkward positions.

I definitely didn't notice wheelbite affecting me, perhaps if you skate super loose might be an issue, but sometimes I just wax the wheelbite area and that usually lasts me an entire session.
would be for another setup. if the smaller trucks really dont make much of a difference and sacrifice stability im gonna stay away from those.

Quote from: moonordie on April 09, 2020, 09:47:35 PM
If you won't go under 8.38 I would go for 149
8.38 is the narrowest deck i would comfortably ride. 149 it is
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 09, 2020, 10:20:18 PM
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looking for a second truck to alternate with my thunder 151s on an 8.5 ish deck. either going with the 148 ti for better flip rotations or 149 ti to be flush with the deck. what should i go with?
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I guess 148s for more of a difference? Going from 149 to 151 is noticeable but I don't think its worth buying two very similar ish trucks for one deck... sounds a bit too extra. Though I'm not convinced that smaller trucks really help that much with flip tricks. Tried Venture 5.2 ti on my 8.25 instead of 5.8 ti for a few weeks and all my flip tricks felt almost the same, the difference was hardly noticeable. If anything, the bigger difference was that it was less forgiving on sketchier landings and less stable when setting up in awkward positions.

I definitely didn't notice wheelbite affecting me, perhaps if you skate super loose might be an issue, but sometimes I just wax the wheelbite area and that usually lasts me an entire session.
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would be for another setup. if the smaller trucks really dont make much of a difference and sacrifice stability im gonna stay away from those.

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If you won't go under 8.38 I would go for 149
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8.38 is the narrowest deck i would comfortably ride. 149 it is

Yeah after experimenting around personally I wouldn't want to get trucks smaller than the board. Flush or slightly wider is ideal personally, though if its only an 1/8th of an inch or something I'm sure it will be fine. Some people love the magic carpet feeling though, it will definitely turn sharper and some people swear that it helps their flatground, so your mileage may vary.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on April 09, 2020, 11:00:20 PM
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looking for a second truck to alternate with my thunder 151s on an 8.5 ish deck. either going with the 148 ti for better flip rotations or 149 ti to be flush with the deck. what should i go with?
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I guess 148s for more of a difference? Going from 149 to 151 is noticeable but I don't think its worth buying two very similar ish trucks for one deck... sounds a bit too extra. Though I'm not convinced that smaller trucks really help that much with flip tricks. Tried Venture 5.2 ti on my 8.25 instead of 5.8 ti for a few weeks and all my flip tricks felt almost the same, the difference was hardly noticeable. If anything, the bigger difference was that it was less forgiving on sketchier landings and less stable when setting up in awkward positions.

I definitely didn't notice wheelbite affecting me, perhaps if you skate super loose might be an issue, but sometimes I just wax the wheelbite area and that usually lasts me an entire session.
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would be for another setup. if the smaller trucks really dont make much of a difference and sacrifice stability im gonna stay away from those.

Quote from: moonordie on April 09, 2020, 09:47:35 PM
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If you won't go under 8.38 I would go for 149
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8.38 is the narrowest deck i would comfortably ride. 149 it is
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Yeah after experimenting around personally I wouldn't want to get trucks smaller than the board. Flush or slightly wider is ideal personally, though if its only an 1/8th of an inch or something I'm sure it will be fine. Some people love the magic carpet feeling though, it will definitely turn sharper and some people swear that it helps their flatground, so your mileage may vary.

My flatground sucks anyway so I would opt for better grinds / slide performance any day.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PeskOne on April 09, 2020, 11:18:01 PM
You guys that skate 149 indys for example, 8.5 trucks, do you really feel them as good doing tricks jumping upp stuff and so on? I seen so many rider who ride 8.5 or bigger but cant tell if they just crusing chilling or actally doing stuff to progress. Im just curios because 8.25 is maximum for me with trucks and they feel way better than all 8 trucks. When it comes to riding, catching tricks and so on. I guess if you are taller or bigger feet plays a good role to.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 09, 2020, 11:20:49 PM
Quote from: PeskOne on April 09, 2020, 11:18:01 PM
You guys that skate 149 indys for example, 8.5 trucks, do you really feel them as good doing tricks jumping upp stuff and so on? I seen so many rider who ride 8.5 or bigger but cant tell if they just crusing chilling or actally doing stuff to progress. Im just curios because 8.25 is maximum for me with trucks and they feel way better than all 8 trucks. When it comes to riding, catching tricks and so on. I guess if you are taller or bigger feet plays a good role to.

You can definitely do shit on 8.5 trucks lol especially if your board isn't even that big. But if you're used to smaller trucks then the added heft might be noticeable. If 8.25 feels good then just stuck with it I'd say.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PeskOne on April 09, 2020, 11:45:55 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on April 09, 2020, 11:20:49 PM
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You guys that skate 149 indys for example, 8.5 trucks, do you really feel them as good doing tricks jumping upp stuff and so on? I seen so many rider who ride 8.5 or bigger but cant tell if they just crusing chilling or actally doing stuff to progress. Im just curios because 8.25 is maximum for me with trucks and they feel way better than all 8 trucks. When it comes to riding, catching tricks and so on. I guess if you are taller or bigger feet plays a good role to.
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You can definitely do shit on 8.5 trucks lol especially if your board isn't even that big. But if you're used to smaller trucks then the added heft might be noticeable. If 8.25 feels good then just stuck with it I'd say.
Yeah currently sized down to 8. Had 8.25 before. Got an Primitve 8.125 wich i think is my perfect setup with Venture 5.6. I remember i got and 8.25 board i got for free from my skate shop because my Real board snapped on day 3 on a simple bs 180. Besides that it was the best setup i ever had, feels shit i dont remember wich trucks i used. But i was loving that board. They were nice to give me a Sweet board for free, took their most expensive Sweet they had haha. So mayby going to that board after 8.125, but i think 8.125 is the perfect size for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 10, 2020, 12:19:17 AM
Quote from: PeskOne on April 09, 2020, 11:45:55 PM
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You guys that skate 149 indys for example, 8.5 trucks, do you really feel them as good doing tricks jumping upp stuff and so on? I seen so many rider who ride 8.5 or bigger but cant tell if they just crusing chilling or actally doing stuff to progress. Im just curios because 8.25 is maximum for me with trucks and they feel way better than all 8 trucks. When it comes to riding, catching tricks and so on. I guess if you are taller or bigger feet plays a good role to.
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You can definitely do shit on 8.5 trucks lol especially if your board isn't even that big. But if you're used to smaller trucks then the added heft might be noticeable. If 8.25 feels good then just stuck with it I'd say.
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Yeah currently sized down to 8. Had 8.25 before. Got an Primitve 8.125 wich i think is my perfect setup with Venture 5.6. I remember i got and 8.25 board i got for free from my skate shop because my Real board snapped on day 3 on a simple bs 180. Besides that it was the best setup i ever had, feels shit i dont remember wich trucks i used. But i was loving that board. They were nice to give me a Sweet board for free, took their most expensive Sweet they had haha. So mayby going to that board after 8.125, but i think 8.125 is the perfect size for me.

If I skated 8.125, which I've thought about, I'd probably skate 8.25 trucks. Sounds like a scaled down version of 8.38 on 8.5 trucks which worked great for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PeskOne on April 10, 2020, 04:53:41 AM
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You guys that skate 149 indys for example, 8.5 trucks, do you really feel them as good doing tricks jumping upp stuff and so on? I seen so many rider who ride 8.5 or bigger but cant tell if they just crusing chilling or actally doing stuff to progress. Im just curios because 8.25 is maximum for me with trucks and they feel way better than all 8 trucks. When it comes to riding, catching tricks and so on. I guess if you are taller or bigger feet plays a good role to.
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You can definitely do shit on 8.5 trucks lol especially if your board isn't even that big. But if you're used to smaller trucks then the added heft might be noticeable. If 8.25 feels good then just stuck with it I'd say.
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Yeah currently sized down to 8. Had 8.25 before. Got an Primitve 8.125 wich i think is my perfect setup with Venture 5.6. I remember i got and 8.25 board i got for free from my skate shop because my Real board snapped on day 3 on a simple bs 180. Besides that it was the best setup i ever had, feels shit i dont remember wich trucks i used. But i was loving that board. They were nice to give me a Sweet board for free, took their most expensive Sweet they had haha. So mayby going to that board after 8.125, but i think 8.125 is the perfect size for me.
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If I skated 8.125, which I've thought about, I'd probably skate 8.25 trucks. Sounds like a scaled down version of 8.38 on 8.5 trucks which worked great for me.

Yeah almost every web sight i been on they say 8.25 trucks goes on 8.125 to mayby 8.5? Not sure but i know they recommend 8.125 and up, and 8.25 board is supposed to be the perfect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on April 10, 2020, 05:40:22 AM
I just slapped on some Indy 139's on my Real 8.25 Full SE board.
I mostly skate Thunders, specificly the 148's.
Interestingly, the angle of pop was the same. 36 degree's.

Now, this was to be expected. Because although the wheelbase is different, Indy's added height makes up for it. In theory then, both of these trucks should pop the same, in terms of angle/steepness? Thunder shouldent give more leverage.

Note! I did use iphone's leveler, which might not be very accurate.

(https://i.imgur.com/PAXoI4h.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on April 10, 2020, 07:00:48 AM
How tight do you guys run your thunders? Stock setting coming from ventures feels wheelbitey as hell. I got these 147s at 3 turns past finger tight about flush with the kingpin and considering going another half turn tighter.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on April 10, 2020, 07:30:15 AM
Quote from: skatefresh on April 10, 2020, 07:00:48 AM
How tight do you guys run your thunders? Stock setting coming from ventures feels wheelbitey as hell. I got these 147s at 3 turns past finger tight about flush with the kingpin and considering going another half turn tighter.
Maybe harder bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on April 10, 2020, 07:31:10 AM
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looking for a second truck to alternate with my thunder 151s on an 8.5 ish deck. either going with the 148 ti for better flip rotations or 149 ti to be flush with the deck. what should i go with?
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I guess 148s for more of a difference? Going from 149 to 151 is noticeable but I don't think its worth buying two very similar ish trucks for one deck... sounds a bit too extra. Though I'm not convinced that smaller trucks really help that much with flip tricks. Tried Venture 5.2 ti on my 8.25 instead of 5.8 ti for a few weeks and all my flip tricks felt almost the same, the difference was hardly noticeable. If anything, the bigger difference was that it was less forgiving on sketchier landings and less stable when setting up in awkward positions.

I definitely didn't notice wheelbite affecting me, perhaps if you skate super loose might be an issue, but sometimes I just wax the wheelbite area and that usually lasts me an entire session.
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would be for another setup. if the smaller trucks really dont make much of a difference and sacrifice stability im gonna stay away from those.

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If you won't go under 8.38 I would go for 149
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8.38 is the narrowest deck i would comfortably ride. 149 it is
Or maybe an 8.35 truck like Ace 44?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 10, 2020, 07:41:08 AM
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looking for a second truck to alternate with my thunder 151s on an 8.5 ish deck. either going with the 148 ti for better flip rotations or 149 ti to be flush with the deck. what should i go with?
[close]

I guess 148s for more of a difference? Going from 149 to 151 is noticeable but I don't think its worth buying two very similar ish trucks for one deck... sounds a bit too extra. Though I'm not convinced that smaller trucks really help that much with flip tricks. Tried Venture 5.2 ti on my 8.25 instead of 5.8 ti for a few weeks and all my flip tricks felt almost the same, the difference was hardly noticeable. If anything, the bigger difference was that it was less forgiving on sketchier landings and less stable when setting up in awkward positions.

I definitely didn't notice wheelbite affecting me, perhaps if you skate super loose might be an issue, but sometimes I just wax the wheelbite area and that usually lasts me an entire session.
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would be for another setup. if the smaller trucks really dont make much of a difference and sacrifice stability im gonna stay away from those.

Quote from: moonordie on April 09, 2020, 09:47:35 PM
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If you won't go under 8.38 I would go for 149
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8.38 is the narrowest deck i would comfortably ride. 149 it is
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Or maybe an 8.35 truck like Ace 44?
aces are too heavy for my preference. they look really cool though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on April 10, 2020, 07:57:52 AM
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How tight do you guys run your thunders? Stock setting coming from ventures feels wheelbitey as hell. I got these 147s at 3 turns past finger tight about flush with the kingpin and considering going another half turn tighter.
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Maybe harder bushings?

I could go that route. Maybe the white thunder replacement kit, but it will spark my ocd where I mess with the trucks until I don't like them anymore. I don't really crank my trucks, but like a bit of stability these days. I always like to keep it as stock as possible. I think it's partly me just adusting to these as they feel like the antithesis in terms of stability compared to the venture lows I'm used to. They just completely turn over into wheelbite, where with ventures it takes alot more effort to iniate the turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 10, 2020, 10:15:20 AM
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looking for a second truck to alternate with my thunder 151s on an 8.5 ish deck. either going with the 148 ti for better flip rotations or 149 ti to be flush with the deck. what should i go with?
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I guess 148s for more of a difference? Going from 149 to 151 is noticeable but I don't think its worth buying two very similar ish trucks for one deck... sounds a bit too extra. Though I'm not convinced that smaller trucks really help that much with flip tricks. Tried Venture 5.2 ti on my 8.25 instead of 5.8 ti for a few weeks and all my flip tricks felt almost the same, the difference was hardly noticeable. If anything, the bigger difference was that it was less forgiving on sketchier landings and less stable when setting up in awkward positions.

I definitely didn't notice wheelbite affecting me, perhaps if you skate super loose might be an issue, but sometimes I just wax the wheelbite area and that usually lasts me an entire session.
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would be for another setup. if the smaller trucks really dont make much of a difference and sacrifice stability im gonna stay away from those.

Quote from: moonordie on April 09, 2020, 09:47:35 PM
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If you won't go under 8.38 I would go for 149
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8.38 is the narrowest deck i would comfortably ride. 149 it is
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Or maybe an 8.35 truck like Ace 44?
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aces are too heavy for my preference. they look really cool though

Have you tried them? They're heavy on paper but since the wheelbase is so recessed, the pop actually feels quite light.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on April 10, 2020, 11:05:55 AM
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looking for a second truck to alternate with my thunder 151s on an 8.5 ish deck. either going with the 148 ti for better flip rotations or 149 ti to be flush with the deck. what should i go with?
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I guess 148s for more of a difference? Going from 149 to 151 is noticeable but I don't think its worth buying two very similar ish trucks for one deck... sounds a bit too extra. Though I'm not convinced that smaller trucks really help that much with flip tricks. Tried Venture 5.2 ti on my 8.25 instead of 5.8 ti for a few weeks and all my flip tricks felt almost the same, the difference was hardly noticeable. If anything, the bigger difference was that it was less forgiving on sketchier landings and less stable when setting up in awkward positions.

I definitely didn't notice wheelbite affecting me, perhaps if you skate super loose might be an issue, but sometimes I just wax the wheelbite area and that usually lasts me an entire session.
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would be for another setup. if the smaller trucks really dont make much of a difference and sacrifice stability im gonna stay away from those.

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If you won't go under 8.38 I would go for 149
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8.38 is the narrowest deck i would comfortably ride. 149 it is
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Or maybe an 8.35 truck like Ace 44?
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aces are too heavy for my preference. they look really cool though
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Have you tried them? They're heavy on paper but since the wheelbase is so recessed, the pop actually feels quite light.
Indeed, but I was mostly of my skate life on Indy's so...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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looking for a second truck to alternate with my thunder 151s on an 8.5 ish deck. either going with the 148 ti for better flip rotations or 149 ti to be flush with the deck. what should i go with?
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I guess 148s for more of a difference? Going from 149 to 151 is noticeable but I don't think its worth buying two very similar ish trucks for one deck... sounds a bit too extra. Though I'm not convinced that smaller trucks really help that much with flip tricks. Tried Venture 5.2 ti on my 8.25 instead of 5.8 ti for a few weeks and all my flip tricks felt almost the same, the difference was hardly noticeable. If anything, the bigger difference was that it was less forgiving on sketchier landings and less stable when setting up in awkward positions.

I definitely didn't notice wheelbite affecting me, perhaps if you skate super loose might be an issue, but sometimes I just wax the wheelbite area and that usually lasts me an entire session.
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would be for another setup. if the smaller trucks really dont make much of a difference and sacrifice stability im gonna stay away from those.

Quote from: moonordie on April 09, 2020, 09:47:35 PM
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If you won't go under 8.38 I would go for 149
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8.38 is the narrowest deck i would comfortably ride. 149 it is
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Or maybe an 8.35 truck like Ace 44?
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aces are too heavy for my preference. they look really cool though
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Have you tried them? They're heavy on paper but since the wheelbase is so recessed, the pop actually feels quite light.
not 44s but 55s and the axle to axle wb was way to short for me with them. im assuming the 44s don't push the wb out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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looking for a second truck to alternate with my thunder 151s on an 8.5 ish deck. either going with the 148 ti for better flip rotations or 149 ti to be flush with the deck. what should i go with?
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I guess 148s for more of a difference? Going from 149 to 151 is noticeable but I don't think its worth buying two very similar ish trucks for one deck... sounds a bit too extra. Though I'm not convinced that smaller trucks really help that much with flip tricks. Tried Venture 5.2 ti on my 8.25 instead of 5.8 ti for a few weeks and all my flip tricks felt almost the same, the difference was hardly noticeable. If anything, the bigger difference was that it was less forgiving on sketchier landings and less stable when setting up in awkward positions.

I definitely didn't notice wheelbite affecting me, perhaps if you skate super loose might be an issue, but sometimes I just wax the wheelbite area and that usually lasts me an entire session.
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would be for another setup. if the smaller trucks really dont make much of a difference and sacrifice stability im gonna stay away from those.

Quote from: moonordie on April 09, 2020, 09:47:35 PM
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If you won't go under 8.38 I would go for 149
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8.38 is the narrowest deck i would comfortably ride. 149 it is
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Or maybe an 8.35 truck like Ace 44?
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aces are too heavy for my preference. they look really cool though
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Have you tried them? They're heavy on paper but since the wheelbase is so recessed, the pop actually feels quite light.
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not 44s but 55s and the axle to axle wb was way to short for me with them. im assuming the 44s don't push the wb out

Yeah thats true the recessed wb is a bit much for most people
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 10, 2020, 01:02:25 PM
Anyone know the duro of these old dark green thunder low Bushings?

I'm riding them on the foul weather board today and it feels sick but they won't last.

I stopped using them in 2016 and they are splitting.

Dark clear green the were ill post They're likely as irreplaceable as they are rustcovered
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on April 10, 2020, 01:12:06 PM
Totally random but based on Ig posts it looks like Spencer Hamilton switched over to Indy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 10, 2020, 01:20:30 PM
Quote from: skatefresh on April 10, 2020, 01:12:06 PM
Totally random but based on Ig posts it looks like Spencer Hamilton switched over to Indy.


Seen that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on April 10, 2020, 10:52:55 PM
Bought some 161s from Dicotelain (sorry if I butchered the username). Had some 149 lights and just swapped the hangar and bushings (is color the only difference between the light blue and amber bushings). Can't wait to push around tomorrow and get them set right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on April 11, 2020, 09:05:41 AM
Anybody else changing truck preferences during lockdown?

Prior to lockdown I spent 95% of my time at the skatepark and most of that time was in transition and bowls.  Over the last year I spent a lot of time on Ace and Indy and 8.3 to 9.25" boards.   I have been progressively loosening my trucks and it was all about carve.

Lockdown.  I spend 95% of my time working on flatland and 5% on slappies. I now spend most of that on an 8" with Thunder 147s.  Pre-lockdown I never rode this setup because I couldn't get the trucks loose enough to turn.

Last night I pulled out my 8.5 setup with Indy 159s to do some slappies and it felt super squirrelly. I'm now thinking about harder bushings. I already tightened the Ace setup.

I haven't really been interested in Thunder before - but now I want 149 Team Hollows. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drewsmahgoos on April 11, 2020, 10:23:01 AM
Quote from: backinaction on April 11, 2020, 09:05:41 AM
Anybody else changing truck preferences during lockdown?

Prior to lockdown I spent 95% of my time at the skatepark and most of that time was in transition and bowls.  Over the last year I spent a lot of time on Ace and Indy and 8.3 to 9.25" boards.   I have been progressively loosening my trucks and it was all about carve.

Lockdown.  I spend 95% of my time working on flatland and 5% on slappies. I now spend most of that on an 8" with Thunder 147s.  Pre-lockdown I never rode this setup because I couldn't get the trucks loose enough to turn.

Last night I pulled out my 8.5 setup with Indy 159s to do some slappies and it felt super squirrelly. I'm now thinking about harder bushings. I already tightened the Ace setup.

I haven't really been interested in Thunder before - but now I want 149 Team Hollows.

Wider trucks just seem more squirrelly in my opinion. I have some thunder 149's and no matter how much I tighten them, they still feel more squirrelly than my indy's with conical bushings that are 144's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crabby_Bastard on April 11, 2020, 11:54:10 AM
Use liquid soap. Much better than shavings IMO.

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Soap bar shavings on the pivot cup and bushings have always done me well, but if wax didn’t work I don’t how much better a bar of soap will do. My 159s were squeaky as hell.
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Second the soap bar shavings. Whenever I tried the wax it got gummy real quick on the urethane. Soap just sort of turns to powder, no mess.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crabby_Bastard on April 11, 2020, 11:59:57 AM
Thunder bushings are compression set. Meaning if you have new Thunder bushings and you go to tighten them down right away, they will go to shit pretty quick. With new Thunders, keep them as loose as they go and skate them for an hour or two, then start tightening them to taste. They become much more stable and the bushings last a long time. This is true for all widths of Thunders.


Quote from: drewsmahgoos on April 11, 2020, 10:23:01 AM
Quote from: backinaction on April 11, 2020, 09:05:41 AM
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Anybody else changing truck preferences during lockdown?

Prior to lockdown I spent 95% of my time at the skatepark and most of that time was in transition and bowls.  Over the last year I spent a lot of time on Ace and Indy and 8.3 to 9.25" boards.   I have been progressively loosening my trucks and it was all about carve.

Lockdown.  I spend 95% of my time working on flatland and 5% on slappies. I now spend most of that on an 8" with Thunder 147s.  Pre-lockdown I never rode this setup because I couldn't get the trucks loose enough to turn.

Last night I pulled out my 8.5 setup with Indy 159s to do some slappies and it felt super squirrelly. I'm now thinking about harder bushings. I already tightened the Ace setup.

I haven't really been interested in Thunder before - but now I want 149 Team Hollows.
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Wider trucks just seem more squirrelly in my opinion. I have some thunder 149's and no matter how much I tighten them, they still feel more squirrelly than my indy's with conical bushings that are 144's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 11, 2020, 12:02:25 PM
Quote from: drewsmahgoos on April 11, 2020, 10:23:01 AM
Quote from: backinaction on April 11, 2020, 09:05:41 AM
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Anybody else changing truck preferences during lockdown?

Prior to lockdown I spent 95% of my time at the skatepark and most of that time was in transition and bowls.  Over the last year I spent a lot of time on Ace and Indy and 8.3 to 9.25" boards.   I have been progressively loosening my trucks and it was all about carve.

Lockdown.  I spend 95% of my time working on flatland and 5% on slappies. I now spend most of that on an 8" with Thunder 147s.  Pre-lockdown I never rode this setup because I couldn't get the trucks loose enough to turn.

Last night I pulled out my 8.5 setup with Indy 159s to do some slappies and it felt super squirrelly. I'm now thinking about harder bushings. I already tightened the Ace setup.

I haven't really been interested in Thunder before - but now I want 149 Team Hollows.
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Wider trucks just seem more squirrelly in my opinion. I have some thunder 149's and no matter how much I tighten them, they still feel more squirrelly than my indy's with conical bushings that are 144's.

Wider trucks are not more squirrelly. I think. My opinion is wider turns slower, and is more stable, so less squirrel. More squirrel comes from the super narrow truck setups, slalom etc.
The wider set up my have more leverage, maybe that has an effect that feel squirrelly?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on April 11, 2020, 12:02:53 PM
Thunder bushings seems to hate cold weather too.
Ive got a new pair of 95d bushings, and at home they are rather soft, perfect. 5 minutes of skateboarding outside in 0-10 celcius? They are almost unrideable... Way to stiff.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 11, 2020, 12:50:53 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on April 11, 2020, 12:02:53 PM
Thunder bushings seems to hate cold weather too.
Ive got a new pair of 95d bushings, and at home they are rather soft, perfect. 5 minutes of skateboarding outside in 0-10 celcius? They are almost unrideable... Way to stiff.
conical bushings will always be squirrelly compared to cylinders. threw ace barrels in my 151s and they are stable as fuck. down with conicals
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on April 11, 2020, 06:12:07 PM
Just a recap on these thunder 147s after riding venture 5.25 lows for the past 6 months. I was finally able to get used to them. I'm running with the kingpin exactly flush with the nut. I did alot of carving and a slappy sesh to try and get the pivot cups and bushings worn in. I forgot thunders seem loose at first then sort of firm up. I remember now my old ones feeling that way. Goddamn I can kickflip again on these trucks after them being dogshit on indys and slightly better with venture highs/lows. Basic tricks like ollies and 180s feel so good. The pop is explosive. Tre flips feel so right. I'm still getting used to certain flip tricks like frontside flips which feel off but so far I like em. The only thing I can complain is the wheelbite is savage on these, but it's to be expected with low trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 11, 2020, 06:34:32 PM
Quote from: skatefresh on April 11, 2020, 06:12:07 PM
Just a recap on these thunder 147s after riding venture 5.25 lows for the past 6 months. I was finally able to get used to them. I'm running with the kingpin exactly flush with the nut. I did alot of carving and a slappy sesh to try and get the pivot cups and bushings worn in. I forgot thunders seem loose at first then sort of firm up. I remember now my old ones feeling that way. Goddamn I can kickflip again on these trucks after them being dogshit on indys and slightly better with venture highs/lows. Basic tricks like ollies and 180s feel so good. The pop is explosive. Tre flips feel so right. I'm still getting used to certain flip tricks like frontside flips which feel off but so far I like em. The only thing I can complain is the wheelbite is savage on these, but it's to be expected with low trucks.
went against my own wishes and ran 1/8 risers during todays session and they didn't skate much differently at all. no more wheelbite outside of really shitty landings and thats even with .5 of an inch hotrod.

im just gonna leave my trucks as they are right now because im gonna go crazy if i let my imagination run like its been
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on April 11, 2020, 06:55:24 PM
Quote from: backinaction on April 11, 2020, 09:05:41 AM
Anybody else changing truck preferences during lockdown?

Prior to lockdown I spent 95% of my time at the skatepark and most of that time was in transition and bowls.  Over the last year I spent a lot of time on Ace and Indy and 8.3 to 9.25" boards.   I have been progressively loosening my trucks and it was all about carve.

Lockdown.  I spend 95% of my time working on flatland and 5% on slappies. I now spend most of that on an 8" with Thunder 147s.  Pre-lockdown I never rode this setup because I couldn't get the trucks loose enough to turn.

Last night I pulled out my 8.5 setup with Indy 159s to do some slappies and it felt super squirrelly. I'm now thinking about harder bushings. I already tightened the Ace setup.

I haven't really been interested in Thunder before - but now I want 149 Team Hollows.

Just switched from thunder to venture los again and I’m loving it. They pinch better, slide a bit better, and they're way more stable. Turning is compromised a bit but I’m not struggling.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 11, 2020, 09:56:03 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on April 11, 2020, 06:55:24 PM
Quote from: backinaction on April 11, 2020, 09:05:41 AM
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Anybody else changing truck preferences during lockdown?

Prior to lockdown I spent 95% of my time at the skatepark and most of that time was in transition and bowls.  Over the last year I spent a lot of time on Ace and Indy and 8.3 to 9.25" boards.   I have been progressively loosening my trucks and it was all about carve.

Lockdown.  I spend 95% of my time working on flatland and 5% on slappies. I now spend most of that on an 8" with Thunder 147s.  Pre-lockdown I never rode this setup because I couldn't get the trucks loose enough to turn.

Last night I pulled out my 8.5 setup with Indy 159s to do some slappies and it felt super squirrelly. I'm now thinking about harder bushings. I already tightened the Ace setup.

I haven't really been interested in Thunder before - but now I want 149 Team Hollows.
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Just switched from thunder to venture los again and I’m loving it. They pinch better, slide a bit better, and they're way more stable. Turning is compromised a bit but I’m not struggling.

What’s the biggest wheels you run with venture lo’s?
I’m assuming 5.2s?
My latest, from the couch, conundrum, is which size trucks for 7.75?
The more I skate, the less I wonder about this type of stuff.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on April 11, 2020, 09:57:17 PM
Decided to run Thunder 149s with 56mm conical fulls no risers. God save me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 11, 2020, 10:04:55 PM
Quote from: Fat Tire on April 11, 2020, 09:57:17 PM
Decided to run Thunder 149s with 56mm conical fulls no risers. God save me.


Trust that you have Much skill, and/or weigh less than #140
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on April 11, 2020, 10:19:40 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on April 10, 2020, 01:02:25 PM
Anyone know the duro of these old dark green thunder low Bushings?

I'm riding them on the foul weather board today and it feels sick but they won't last.

I stopped using them in 2016 and they are splitting.

Dark clear green the were ill post They're likely as irreplaceable as they are rustcovered
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Current Thunder stocks are 90a and I don't remember ever hearing anything about them changing so probably 90a. They sell a bunch of different colors and the "rebuild kits" even have matching axle nuts and washers. You can also use Bones or Indy conicals, they work pretty well with thunders.

Quote from: Fat Tire on April 11, 2020, 09:57:17 PM
Decided to run Thunder 149s with 56mm conical fulls no risers. God save me.

Shouldn't really be a problem with modern Thunders, especially if they're Team editions. The present gen 149s aren't low like the old ones were. I run 56mm radials and occasionally even 58mm classics with no risers on medium tight thunders with no wheelbite issues. As long as you don't have them floppy loose then I think you'll be alright. If it does start to happen a little wax on the spot where they touch can be surprisingly effective.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on April 11, 2020, 11:39:03 PM
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Quote from: backinaction on April 11, 2020, 09:05:41 AM
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Anybody else changing truck preferences during lockdown?

Prior to lockdown I spent 95% of my time at the skatepark and most of that time was in transition and bowls.  Over the last year I spent a lot of time on Ace and Indy and 8.3 to 9.25" boards.   I have been progressively loosening my trucks and it was all about carve.

Lockdown.  I spend 95% of my time working on flatland and 5% on slappies. I now spend most of that on an 8" with Thunder 147s.  Pre-lockdown I never rode this setup because I couldn't get the trucks loose enough to turn.

Last night I pulled out my 8.5 setup with Indy 159s to do some slappies and it felt super squirrelly. I'm now thinking about harder bushings. I already tightened the Ace setup.

I haven't really been interested in Thunder before - but now I want 149 Team Hollows.
[close]

Just switched from thunder to venture los again and I’m loving it. They pinch better, slide a bit better, and they're way more stable. Turning is compromised a bit but I’m not struggling.
[close]

What’s the biggest wheels you run with venture lo’s?
I’m assuming 5.2s?
My latest, from the couch, conundrum, is which size trucks for 7.75?
The more I skate, the less I wonder about this type of stuff.

Interested in wheel sizes too. I'm revisiting my Ventures Lo soon, want to set them up with 54mm for downstair curb skating since the parks are closed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on April 12, 2020, 12:45:11 AM
anyone that skated the old thunder 149s and the new ones was the difference significant? really debating on getting a pair of 148s or 149s. idk why they're starting to look good.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PeskOne on April 12, 2020, 01:43:23 AM
You guys seem to skate so big wheels, but its only me. I always liked small wheels, used to skate the wheels down 40mm and even under that but that was one time, they were almost as small ass the bearings haha. So i always bought max 50mm wheels and 49mm. But then i saw the spitfire lock ins 101A and i was just im getting those. I think the smallest were 53, but bought em and i been in love with them ever since, impossible to flatspot. They are REALLY slippery before u get used to them powerslides is like nothing sometimes it felt like i landed on ice. But when gotten used to them i loved them. Next time im gonna go fort the blue ones, i think they are 99A or 98A but they are slippery to and impossible to wheelbite. Hope they have 50mm or atleast 52mm now.

Hopefully if it dries up im going to the park with my Primitive 8.125 and 5.6 Ventures. I can say anyone on the fence bying 5.6 Ventures to 8.125 board the trucks are perfect in that size and flush. They work on 8 too. I dont know yesterday i switched to 8 indies on my 8 flip, im getting back after are break. My ollies and tricks were a bit better or back. But its impossible to say, last summer when i was into it i hated that setup, i felt like 8 indys were to uncomfy doing tricks and squrrly and small hanger. I Guess its just that its gone some days now and progression has come everyday. Yesterday i also skated on a place with super smooth ground wich probably helped to. The wheelbase on the Ventures are just a little little longer. Im not god at inches so. But on Venture and Primitive, wheelbase is 17.5, Indys and Flip wheelbase was 17.48 mayby, looked as same wheelbase pretty much.

Hopefully i dont ghost pop to much, it happend yesterday to with indies so its mussle memory to. The Primitive nose and tail look much more what i prefer, a bit smaller and much rounder. Hopefully i dont need to slow down to much to get used to the board and trucks and can start doing easy grinds on some easy tricks in the quarter pipe. Also a low rail, perfect park for getting back. What sucks is its asphalt. Why didnt they use concrete our some smoother surface, the razor tail goes dubble as fast.

Edit: Sorry im not native english i usally not this bad at grammar and lettering words right. In the future im going to take it more easy when i write because i know alot of people get annoyed by fucked up words and weird grammar. Im just a bit to hyped when on this forum.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 12, 2020, 08:19:32 AM
Are 5.0s too small for properly pinched crooked grinds?
I’m really just looking for excuses. I’ve never been good at those, and it really was THE trick, just couldn’t get em decent.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 12, 2020, 02:51:34 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on April 11, 2020, 10:19:40 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on April 10, 2020, 01:02:25 PM
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Anyone know the duro of these old dark green thunder low Bushings from the end of the 90s?

I'm riding them on the foul weather board today and it feels sick but they won't last.

I stopped using them in 2016 and they are splitting.

Dark clear green the were ill post They're likely as irreplaceable as they are rustcovered
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Current Thunder stocks are 90a and I don't remember ever hearing anything about them changing so probably 90a. They sell a bunch of different colors and the "rebuild kits" even have matching axle nuts and washers. You can also use Bones or Indy conicals, they work pretty well with thunders.

Quote from: Fat Tire on April 11, 2020, 09:57:17 PM
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Decided to run Thunder 149s with 56mm conical fulls no risers. God save me.
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Shouldn't really be a problem with modern Thunders, especially if they're Team editions. The present gen 149s aren't low like the old ones were. I run 56mm radials and occasionally even 58mm classics with no risers on medium tight thunders with no wheelbite issues. As long as you don't have them floppy loose then I think you'll be alright. If it does start to happen a little wax on the spot where they touch can be surprisingly effective.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on April 12, 2020, 04:52:16 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on April 10, 2020, 01:02:25 PM
Anyone know the duro of these old dark green thunder low Bushings?

I'm riding them on the foul weather board today and it feels sick but they won't last.

I stopped using them in 2016 and they are splitting.

Dark clear green the were ill post They're likely as irreplaceable as they are rustcovered
(https://i.imgflip.com/3w64sb.jpg) (https://imgflip.com/i/3w64sb)via Imgflip Meme Generator (https://imgflip.com/memegenerator)
If I remember correctly in the 90s and early 2000s stock bushings were 92a. In the mid 2000s kingpins were shortened by two threads causing the change to 90a for stock bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 12, 2020, 05:51:20 PM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on April 12, 2020, 04:52:16 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on April 10, 2020, 01:02:25 PM
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Anyone know the duro of these old dark green thunder low Bushings?

I'm riding them on the foul weather board today and it feels sick but they won't last.

I stopped using them in 2016 and they are splitting.

Dark clear green the were ill post They're likely as irreplaceable as they are rustcovered
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If I remember correctly in the 90s and early 2000s stock bushings were 92a. In the mid 2000s kingpins were shortened by two threads causing the change to 90a for stock bushings.

ok that makes total sense. Thank yall
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on April 12, 2020, 08:47:34 PM
Quote from: Ok on April 12, 2020, 08:19:32 AM
Are 5.0s too small for properly pinched crooked grinds?
I’m really just looking for excuses. I’ve never been good at those, and it really was THE trick, just couldn’t get em decent.

Felipe Gustavo seems to do them just fine with his 5.0 lows.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 12, 2020, 09:14:18 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on April 12, 2020, 08:47:34 PM
Quote from: Ok on April 12, 2020, 08:19:32 AM
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Are 5.0s too small for properly pinched crooked grinds?
I’m really just looking for excuses. I’ve never been good at those, and it really was THE trick, just couldn’t get em decent.
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Felipe Gustavo seems to do them just fine with his 5.0 lows.

Strong facts
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PeskOne on April 13, 2020, 12:34:35 AM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on April 12, 2020, 08:47:34 PM
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Are 5.0s too small for properly pinched crooked grinds?
I’m really just looking for excuses. I’ve never been good at those, and it really was THE trick, just couldn’t get em decent.
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Felipe Gustavo seems to do them just fine with his 5.0 lows.

Felipe Gustavo ride Ventures? But you may mean he skate 5.0 Ventures, and the Aces are the same size? Im intresting in ACE but i wont buy any ACE that are smaller than 8 trucks, and what i know ACE dont have and 8 truck. They got the 44 wich will be big for 8 to 8.25. If they had A trucks size like 8.125 axle i would buy them. Now i got my Ventures 5.6 on Primitive board and feels great. Just need to adjust a bit, just started after the winter again and was a while since Ventures but they feel really good, exactly how i want them. And fits perfect on 8.125 board even its 8.25 truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 13, 2020, 11:13:16 AM
Quote from: PeskOne on April 13, 2020, 12:34:35 AM
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Are 5.0s too small for properly pinched crooked grinds?
I’m really just looking for excuses. I’ve never been good at those, and it really was THE trick, just couldn’t get em decent.
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Felipe Gustavo seems to do them just fine with his 5.0 lows.
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Felipe Gustavo ride Ventures? But you may mean he skate 5.0 Ventures, and the Aces are the same size? Im intresting in ACE but i wont buy any ACE that are smaller than 8 trucks, and what i know ACE dont have and 8 truck. They got the 44 wich will be big for 8 to 8.25. If they had A trucks size like 8.125 axle i would buy them. Now i got my Ventures 5.6 on Primitive board and feels great. Just need to adjust a bit, just started after the winter again and was a while since Ventures but they feel really good, exactly how i want them. And fits perfect on 8.125 board even its 8.25 truck.

huh?

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/ace-trucks-size-chart_25cfd626-ee06-4413-a8e6-c36142f22a1d_530x.jpg?v=1551829532)

As far as I remember the 33/03s are 8"

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 13, 2020, 02:16:52 PM
I just won some Reynolds hollow 149s. Does anyone know hoe much they weigh vs standard 149s? Looked on the NHS website and it has them weighing more which I would assume is a mistake since they're hollows.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: giantbeardedone on April 13, 2020, 02:37:04 PM
Does anyone know if Thunder makes Titanium lights in 151 (8.75" axle length)? I can't find them anywhere, only 149 and down.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: legion on April 13, 2020, 03:01:45 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on April 13, 2020, 02:16:52 PM
I just won some Reynolds hollow 149s. Does anyone know hoe much they weigh vs standard 149s? Looked on the NHS website and it has them weighing more which I would assume is a mistake since they're hollows.
Hollow cast 149's? My cheat sheet says 369g


Quote from: giantbeardedone on April 13, 2020, 02:37:04 PM
Does anyone know if Thunder makes Titanium lights in 151 (8.75" axle length)? I can't find them anywhere, only 149 and down.
https://www.thundertrucks.com/fall-2019/
I think they do Ti 151's but they could be tough to find rn
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on April 13, 2020, 03:40:30 PM
Quote from: giantbeardedone on April 13, 2020, 02:37:04 PM
Does anyone know if Thunder makes Titanium lights in 151 (8.75" axle length)? I can't find them anywhere, only 149 and down.


no Thunder Titaniums above 149, which is stupid because that's where trucks start to get heavy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: funeral_tuxedo on April 13, 2020, 03:52:45 PM
Quote from: BL0B on April 13, 2020, 03:40:30 PM
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Does anyone know if Thunder makes Titanium lights in 151 (8.75" axle length)? I can't find them anywhere, only 149 and down.
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no Thunder Titaniums above 149, which is stupid because that's where trucks start to get heavy.

I haven't seen thunder 147 titanium hollows for sale anywhere online either
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: legion on April 13, 2020, 03:57:54 PM
Quote from: legion on April 13, 2020, 03:01:45 PM
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Does anyone know if Thunder makes Titanium lights in 151 (8.75" axle length)? I can't find them anywhere, only 149 and down.
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https://www.thundertrucks.com/fall-2019/
I think they do Ti 151's but they could be tough to find rn
Oops. Read the catalog wrong? They only do regular polished in 151?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: giantbeardedone on April 13, 2020, 04:14:17 PM
Quote from: BL0B on April 13, 2020, 03:40:30 PM
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Does anyone know if Thunder makes Titanium lights in 151 (8.75" axle length)? I can't find them anywhere, only 149 and down.
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no Thunder Titaniums above 149, which is stupid because that's where trucks start to get heavy.

tell me about it. I ride big ass 8.75 decks because of my size 16 feet. I need me some light trucks. Indy forged titaniums are the lightest I can find at 8.75"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: legion on April 13, 2020, 04:59:46 PM
Quote from: giantbeardedone on April 13, 2020, 04:14:17 PM
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Does anyone know if Thunder makes Titanium lights in 151 (8.75" axle length)? I can't find them anywhere, only 149 and down.
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no Thunder Titaniums above 149, which is stupid because that's where trucks start to get heavy.
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tell me about it. I ride big ass 8.75 decks because of my size 16 feet. I need me some light trucks. Indy forged titaniums are the lightest I can find at 8.75"
I think Venture cast 6.1 is kinda close in weight, height, axle offset.
Film 6.0 was another truck I was looking at but it might be a few mm narrower? 153mm hanger and 8.625" axle?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 13, 2020, 05:38:48 PM
Quote from: giantbeardedone on April 13, 2020, 04:14:17 PM
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Does anyone know if Thunder makes Titanium lights in 151 (8.75" axle length)? I can't find them anywhere, only 149 and down.
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no Thunder Titaniums above 149, which is stupid because that's where trucks start to get heavy.
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tell me about it. I ride big ass 8.75 decks because of my size 16 feet. I need me some light trucks. Indy forged titaniums are the lightest I can find at 8.75"
151 hollow lights are not far off from 149 titanimus in weight
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 13, 2020, 05:42:53 PM
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Does anyone know if Thunder makes Titanium lights in 151 (8.75" axle length)? I can't find them anywhere, only 149 and down.
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no Thunder Titaniums above 149, which is stupid because that's where trucks start to get heavy.
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tell me about it. I ride big ass 8.75 decks because of my size 16 feet. I need me some light trucks. Indy forged titaniums are the lightest I can find at 8.75"
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151 hollow lights are not far off from 149 titanimus in weight

im usually an advocate of titaniums but can confirm 151 hollow lights are quite light and i def wouldnt bother trying to look for titaniums in this case.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 13, 2020, 05:48:17 PM
Quote from: BL0B on April 13, 2020, 03:40:30 PM
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Does anyone know if Thunder makes Titanium lights in 151 (8.75" axle length)? I can't find them anywhere, only 149 and down.
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no Thunder Titaniums above 149, which is stupid because that's where trucks start to get heavy.

But for many it's the point where people stop giving a shit....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 13, 2020, 05:57:48 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 13, 2020, 05:48:17 PM
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Does anyone know if Thunder makes Titanium lights in 151 (8.75" axle length)? I can't find them anywhere, only 149 and down.
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no Thunder Titaniums above 149, which is stupid because that's where trucks start to get heavy.
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But for many it's the point where people stop giving a shit....

At that size, I'd opt for hollows, Hollow-lite Thunders are really really light.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 13, 2020, 06:47:21 PM
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I'm over bones after this set. I'm going through more than two top bushings a year. That's never been the case growing up this plastic shit is stupid.

Also who ever tooled this kingpin on drugs
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I only have this problem with the black/yellow colored bones. if I get the white/yellow ones they never do that. but shop only had the black/yellow last time.


Is there a difference in black and white ones? I thought they were just aesthetic.


I have black/blue Bones Soft bushings in my trucks now and I'm thinking of switching to mediums. I love how the soft ones turn but I'm starting to think I would benefit with just a bit more stability. Is the difference marginal?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: spanyard on April 13, 2020, 08:01:57 PM
Can someone help me out on what’s wrong with that bones bushing? I can’t tell...I use the same ones and would like to know...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 13, 2020, 08:22:29 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 13, 2020, 05:48:17 PM
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Does anyone know if Thunder makes Titanium lights in 151 (8.75" axle length)? I can't find them anywhere, only 149 and down.
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no Thunder Titaniums above 149, which is stupid because that's where trucks start to get heavy.
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But for many it's the point where people stop giving a shit....

So true.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: giantbeardedone on April 13, 2020, 08:32:33 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 13, 2020, 05:48:17 PM
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Does anyone know if Thunder makes Titanium lights in 151 (8.75" axle length)? I can't find them anywhere, only 149 and down.
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no Thunder Titaniums above 149, which is stupid because that's where trucks start to get heavy.
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But for many it's the point where people stop giving a shit....

not for me. I got size 16 shoes I need a 8.75 minimum or it's like skating on a toothpick.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on April 13, 2020, 09:39:01 PM
Quote from: the_unknown_soldier on April 13, 2020, 06:47:21 PM
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I'm over bones after this set. I'm going through more than two top bushings a year. That's never been the case growing up this plastic shit is stupid.

Also who ever tooled this kingpin on drugs
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I only have this problem with the black/yellow colored bones. if I get the white/yellow ones they never do that. but shop only had the black/yellow last time.
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Is there a difference in black and white ones? I thought they were just aesthetic.


I have black/blue Bones Soft bushings in my trucks now and I'm thinking of switching to mediums. I love how the soft ones turn but I'm starting to think I would benefit with just a bit more stability. Is the difference marginal?

softs are 81a. mediums are 91a. the difference is pretty big.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 13, 2020, 10:48:58 PM
Quote from: Xen on April 13, 2020, 11:13:16 AM
Quote from: PeskOne on April 13, 2020, 12:34:35 AM
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Quote from: Ok on April 12, 2020, 08:19:32 AM
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Are 5.0s too small for properly pinched crooked grinds?
I’m really just looking for excuses. I’ve never been good at those, and it really was THE trick, just couldn’t get em decent.
[close]

Felipe Gustavo seems to do them just fine with his 5.0 lows.
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Felipe Gustavo ride Ventures? But you may mean he skate 5.0 Ventures, and the Aces are the same size? Im intresting in ACE but i wont buy any ACE that are smaller than 8 trucks, and what i know ACE dont have and 8 truck. They got the 44 wich will be big for 8 to 8.25. If they had A trucks size like 8.125 axle i would buy them. Now i got my Ventures 5.6 on Primitive board and feels great. Just need to adjust a bit, just started after the winter again and was a while since Ventures but they feel really good, exactly how i want them. And fits perfect on 8.125 board even its 8.25 truck.
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huh?

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/ace-trucks-size-chart_25cfd626-ee06-4413-a8e6-c36142f22a1d_530x.jpg?v=1551829532)

As far as I remember the 33/03s are 8"

those are usually easier to find.
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I'm over bones after this set. I'm going through more than two top bushings a year. That's never been the case growing up this plastic shit is stupid.

Also who ever tooled this kingpin on drugs
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I only have this problem with the black/yellow colored bones. if I get the white/yellow ones they never do that. but shop only had the black/yellow last time.
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Is there a difference in black and white ones? I thought they were just aesthetic.


I have black/blue Bones Soft bushings in my trucks now and I'm thinking of switching to mediums. I love how the soft ones turn but I'm starting to think I would benefit with just a bit more stability. Is the difference marginal?
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softs are 81a. mediums are 91a. the difference is pretty big.

I does feel like the yellow top black is a little softer.its my first set of that color.

Also my first set of venture highs.

It matches the stock bottom so

Also I've found the 5.0 to be perfect for crooks. All low ventures are
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on April 14, 2020, 04:16:44 AM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on April 13, 2020, 09:39:01 PM
softs are 81a. mediums are 91a. the difference is pretty big.

This. Bought a set of softs to try and open up the turn on a set of Ventures. Assumed they'd be 88ish (like Indy soft or Ace), was not impressed with the resulting mush. Didn't make the turn better, but it did make them unstable as hell. Never thought I'd wheelbite Ventures just cruising. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PeskOne on April 14, 2020, 05:01:29 AM
Quote from: Xen on April 13, 2020, 11:13:16 AM
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Are 5.0s too small for properly pinched crooked grinds?
I’m really just looking for excuses. I’ve never been good at those, and it really was THE trick, just couldn’t get em decent.
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Felipe Gustavo seems to do them just fine with his 5.0 lows.
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Felipe Gustavo ride Ventures? But you may mean he skate 5.0 Ventures, and the Aces are the same size? Im intresting in ACE but i wont buy any ACE that are smaller than 8 trucks, and what i know ACE dont have and 8 truck. They got the 44 wich will be big for 8 to 8.25. If they had A trucks size like 8.125 axle i would buy them. Now i got my Ventures 5.6 on Primitive board and feels great. Just need to adjust a bit, just started after the winter again and was a while since Ventures but they feel really good, exactly how i want them. And fits perfect on 8.125 board even its 8.25 truck.
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huh?

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/ace-trucks-size-chart_25cfd626-ee06-4413-a8e6-c36142f22a1d_530x.jpg?v=1551829532)

As far as I remember the 33/03s are 8"

Never seen that before, i seen sites say 44 works with like 8.0 to 8.5. How is 8 ace trucks? 44 way over my limit with truck hangover, and biggest i would skate is 8.25. But mostly 8-8125.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on April 14, 2020, 06:30:34 AM
Quote from: PeskOne on April 14, 2020, 05:01:29 AM
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Are 5.0s too small for properly pinched crooked grinds?
I’m really just looking for excuses. I’ve never been good at those, and it really was THE trick, just couldn’t get em decent.
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Felipe Gustavo seems to do them just fine with his 5.0 lows.
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Felipe Gustavo ride Ventures? But you may mean he skate 5.0 Ventures, and the Aces are the same size? Im intresting in ACE but i wont buy any ACE that are smaller than 8 trucks, and what i know ACE dont have and 8 truck. They got the 44 wich will be big for 8 to 8.25. If they had A trucks size like 8.125 axle i would buy them. Now i got my Ventures 5.6 on Primitive board and feels great. Just need to adjust a bit, just started after the winter again and was a while since Ventures but they feel really good, exactly how i want them. And fits perfect on 8.125 board even its 8.25 truck.
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huh?

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/ace-trucks-size-chart_25cfd626-ee06-4413-a8e6-c36142f22a1d_530x.jpg?v=1551829532)

As far as I remember the 33/03s are 8"
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Never seen that before, i seen sites say 44 works with like 8.0 to 8.5. How is 8 ace trucks? 44 way over my limit with truck hangover, and biggest i would skate is 8.25. But mostly 8-8125.
You know how to swipe? On Ace IG they put that chart on pretty much every post showing trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 14, 2020, 09:01:25 AM
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I'm over bones after this set. I'm going through more than two top bushings a year. That's never been the case growing up this plastic shit is stupid.

Also who ever tooled this kingpin on drugs
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I only have this problem with the black/yellow colored bones. if I get the white/yellow ones they never do that. but shop only had the black/yellow last time.
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Is there a difference in black and white ones? I thought they were just aesthetic.


I have black/blue Bones Soft bushings in my trucks now and I'm thinking of switching to mediums. I love how the soft ones turn but I'm starting to think I would benefit with just a bit more stability. Is the difference marginal?
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softs are 81a. mediums are 91a. the difference is pretty big.

I know the durometer difference but I was more hoping that someone with experience with both could chime in. I don't quite have context for how different 81 vs 91 REALLY feels cuz up until this point I've mostly stuck with stock bushings. I like my  trucks pretty loose, but within reason.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 14, 2020, 10:15:56 AM
Maybe I missed it but I don't see what's wrong with the black bones bushing?

From experience, I can tell you that the black variants feel softer and don't get as hard over time if you don't ride them.

Love me some bones softs for a day when new, after that they're just sooooo squashy unless you crank them down.

88a Indy conicals or the [new] ACE bushings are my favs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Wonderful Whizzplank on April 14, 2020, 11:45:18 AM
I come to you all in the truck thread seeking advice.

I've moved back on to some thunder 151s, that I was running bones in before, but I'd like to move to some cylinders for stability. What bushings would suit the thunders best? Thinking about some Indy barrels for simplicity.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: legion on April 14, 2020, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Whizzplank on April 14, 2020, 11:45:18 AM
I come to you all in the truck thread seeking advice.

I've moved back on to some thunder 151s, that I was running bones in before, but I'd like to move to some cylinders for stability. What bushings would suit the thunders best? Thinking about some Indy barrels for simplicity.
Yep. Indy barrels are probably the easiest to find. Deluxe/Supercush bushings are another option, sometimes they're listed as Thunder bushings but they're different than the conical bushings with the Thunder sticker.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 14, 2020, 02:38:35 PM
I would think thunders in thunder....or you need to stack a washer on.  A thunder bottom is a bit taller and you can't afford to drop your hanger any lower. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on April 14, 2020, 08:53:33 PM
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I'm over bones after this set. I'm going through more than two top bushings a year. That's never been the case growing up this plastic shit is stupid.

Also who ever tooled this kingpin on drugs
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I only have this problem with the black/yellow colored bones. if I get the white/yellow ones they never do that. but shop only had the black/yellow last time.
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Is there a difference in black and white ones? I thought they were just aesthetic.


I have black/blue Bones Soft bushings in my trucks now and I'm thinking of switching to mediums. I love how the soft ones turn but I'm starting to think I would benefit with just a bit more stability. Is the difference marginal?
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softs are 81a. mediums are 91a. the difference is pretty big.
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I know the durometer difference but I was more hoping that someone with experience with both could chime in. I don't quite have context for how different 81 vs 91 REALLY feels cuz up until this point I've mostly stuck with stock bushings. I like my  trucks pretty loose, but within reason.

Currently rocking my bones mediums in my 5.2 lows right now and I weight about 170lb. Right now, they're turny yet stable. If I switch to softs, which I have done in the recent past, I'd bottom out uncontrollably with each slight lean without even trying.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 15, 2020, 05:10:11 AM
Quote from: Wonderful Whizzplank on April 14, 2020, 11:45:18 AM
I come to you all in the truck thread seeking advice.

I've moved back on to some thunder 151s, that I was running bones in before, but I'd like to move to some cylinders for stability. What bushings would suit the thunders best? Thinking about some Indy barrels for simplicity.
ace bottoms with a shaved down stock top has been sooo good for my 151s. not as simple as just buying a set and throwing them in but it was well worth my 15 minutes tinkering around. coming off the stock conicals, i was able to set up for tricks without all the wobble and still have them loose enough to get that surfy turn that feels thunder like with a hint of ace.

there is a noticeable balance deadzone at first but it works perfectly once the bushings are broken in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on April 15, 2020, 05:23:57 AM
Quote from: the_unknown_soldier on April 14, 2020, 09:01:25 AM
I know the durometer difference but I was more hoping that someone with experience with both could chime in. I don't quite have context for how different 81 vs 91 REALLY feels cuz up until this point I've mostly stuck with stock bushings. I like my  trucks pretty loose, but within reason.

I've had all three duros at one time or another. Found them all to get progressively mushier over time, none have the normal firming up period that most bushings have. Softs become mostly useless (I'm only about 150lb's so I don't know where they'd be useful). Mediums were meh, no real benefit over stock or brand specific aftermarkets. They never blew out or cracked on me though. Used them on Indy's and Ventures. Ended up going back to stock or normal aftermarkets. YMMV.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 15, 2020, 05:42:04 AM
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I know the durometer difference but I was more hoping that someone with experience with both could chime in. I don't quite have context for how different 81 vs 91 REALLY feels cuz up until this point I've mostly stuck with stock bushings. I like my  trucks pretty loose, but within reason.
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I've had all three duros at one time or another. Found them all to get progressively mushier over time, none have the normal firming up period that most bushings have. Softs become mostly useless (I'm only about 150lb's so I don't know where they'd be useful). Mediums were meh, no real benefit over stock or brand specific aftermarkets. They never blew out or cracked on me though. Used them on Indy's and Ventures. Ended up going back to stock or normal aftermarkets. YMMV.
i always go hard with bones and let them mush out progressively to feel like mediums
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on April 15, 2020, 05:47:39 AM
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I know the durometer difference but I was more hoping that someone with experience with both could chime in. I don't quite have context for how different 81 vs 91 REALLY feels cuz up until this point I've mostly stuck with stock bushings. I like my  trucks pretty loose, but within reason.
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I've had all three duros at one time or another. Found them all to get progressively mushier over time, none have the normal firming up period that most bushings have. Softs become mostly useless (I'm only about 150lb's so I don't know where they'd be useful). Mediums were meh, no real benefit over stock or brand specific aftermarkets. They never blew out or cracked on me though. Used them on Indy's and Ventures. Ended up going back to stock or normal aftermarkets. YMMV.
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i always go hard with bones and let them mush out progressively to feel like mediums

Still have a set of hards in my cruiser that have settled into feeling like a nice medium. I don't know if they're any better than a standard Indy bushing in reality, but they're not worse so I just left them in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on April 15, 2020, 06:14:13 AM
both of my setups have hards in the back and softs in the front - im like 185 lbs
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on April 15, 2020, 01:35:45 PM
I can't decide if I like these thunders. I'm 4 sessions in on a pair of 147s and had one great session and 2 awful ones.  Yesterday it seemed like every time I did a tre flip it just immediately wheelbites on landing and I get tossed. Frontside flips have become impossible and were a breeze on venture lows. For whatever reason regular kickflips feel easier and my ollies are popped nice and high. I haven't been able to do kickflips this well in a half decade. I don't know if I need to just stick it out and give these another week but I just like having ventures on my board and how nostalgic it feels. Maybe going to a slightly bigger wheel has also had an effect. I'm having an identity crisis with my setup lol.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sadnocomply on April 15, 2020, 02:38:34 PM
Quote from: skatefresh on April 15, 2020, 01:35:45 PM
I can't decide if I like these thunders. I'm 4 sessions in on a pair of 147s and had one great session and 2 awful ones.  Yesterday it seemed like every time I did a tre flip it just immediately wheelbites on landing and I get tossed. Frontside flips have become impossible and were a breeze on venture lows. For whatever reason regular kickflips feel easier and my ollies are popped nice and high. I haven't been able to do kickflips this well in a half decade. I don't know if I need to just stick it out and give these another week but I just like having ventures on my board and how nostalgic it feels. Maybe going to a slightly bigger wheel has also had an effect. I'm having an identity crisis with my setup lol.

What deck and wheel size you runnin
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on April 15, 2020, 03:20:41 PM
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I can't decide if I like these thunders. I'm 4 sessions in on a pair of 147s and had one great session and 2 awful ones.  Yesterday it seemed like every time I did a tre flip it just immediately wheelbites on landing and I get tossed. Frontside flips have become impossible and were a breeze on venture lows. For whatever reason regular kickflips feel easier and my ollies are popped nice and high. I haven't been able to do kickflips this well in a half decade. I don't know if I need to just stick it out and give these another week but I just like having ventures on my board and how nostalgic it feels. Maybe going to a slightly bigger wheel has also had an effect. I'm having an identity crisis with my setup lol.
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What deck and wheel size you runnin
before I was rocking venture 5.25 lows with 50mm classic spits and 8.0 deck. Now I'm running an 8.0 Real Full SE with 52mm classic spits. Always 14 inch wheelbase.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on April 15, 2020, 03:49:19 PM
Can't remember if it was on this thread, most likely yes, that a pal was saying about badly he hated when Thunder trucks came "swapped".
In my case got these with "Team" on both of them
(https://i.imgur.com/Xzg45wBl.jpg)
Luckily the anodized colors on the hanger don't bother me :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on April 15, 2020, 04:31:43 PM
Quote from: skatefresh on April 15, 2020, 01:35:45 PM
I can't decide if I like these thunders. I'm 4 sessions in on a pair of 147s and had one great session and 2 awful ones.  Yesterday it seemed like every time I did a tre flip it just immediately wheelbites on landing and I get tossed. Frontside flips have become impossible and were a breeze on venture lows. For whatever reason regular kickflips feel easier and my ollies are popped nice and high. I haven't been able to do kickflips this well in a half decade. I don't know if I need to just stick it out and give these another week but I just like having ventures on my board and how nostalgic it feels. Maybe going to a slightly bigger wheel has also had an effect. I'm having an identity crisis with my setup lol.

Just gotta get used to the timing of your thunders. They're slightly different from ventures. You'll adjust over time.

side note: my venture lows pinch way better than thunders. on top of that, the pop out is better too, given that I'm using bones mediums. Not missing my thunders very much right now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on April 15, 2020, 05:06:24 PM
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I can't decide if I like these thunders. I'm 4 sessions in on a pair of 147s and had one great session and 2 awful ones.  Yesterday it seemed like every time I did a tre flip it just immediately wheelbites on landing and I get tossed. Frontside flips have become impossible and were a breeze on venture lows. For whatever reason regular kickflips feel easier and my ollies are popped nice and high. I haven't been able to do kickflips this well in a half decade. I don't know if I need to just stick it out and give these another week but I just like having ventures on my board and how nostalgic it feels. Maybe going to a slightly bigger wheel has also had an effect. I'm having an identity crisis with my setup lol.
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Just gotta get used to the timing of your thunders. They're slightly different from ventures. You'll adjust over time.

side note: my venture lows pinch way better than thunders. on top of that, the pop out is better too, given that I'm using bones mediums. Not missing my thunders very much right now.
You're making me want to switch them out more.  :-\
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on April 15, 2020, 10:51:29 PM
149s on 8.75. Any experiences? Never done the magic carpet setup before but I have Conical Fulls so it’s basically flush.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on April 15, 2020, 10:57:30 PM
Quote from: moonordie on April 15, 2020, 03:49:19 PM
Can't remember if it was on this thread, most likely yes, that a pal was saying about badly he hated when Thunder trucks came "swapped".
In my case got these with "Team" on both of them
(https://i.imgur.com/Xzg45wBl.jpg)
Luckily the anodized colors on the hanger don't bother me :)

never seen this color of thunders. digging the “prime” colored hangers. just got some pig hardware like that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: giantbeardedone on April 15, 2020, 11:00:28 PM
Quote from: texasplant on April 15, 2020, 10:51:29 PM
149s on 8.75. Any experiences? Never done the magic carpet setup before but I have Conical Fulls so it’s basically flush.

I ride an 8.75 and have run both 8.5 and 8.75 wides underneath. I prefer 159's but I have big ass size 16 shoes so the extra stability (even if it's only imagined) helps. With conical fulls you probably won't be able to tell a difference tbh.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on April 15, 2020, 11:04:25 PM
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149s on 8.75. Any experiences? Never done the magic carpet setup before but I have Conical Fulls so it’s basically flush.
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I ride an 8.75 and have run both 8.5 and 8.75 wides underneath. I prefer 159's but I have big ass size 16 shoes so the extra stability (even if it's only imagined) helps. With conical fulls you probably won't be able to tell a difference tbh.

I normally ride 159/169/55 but just feeling like changing things up to save some weight. The 149s are the old Hollow Cast ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: giantbeardedone on April 15, 2020, 11:06:28 PM
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149s on 8.75. Any experiences? Never done the magic carpet setup before but I have Conical Fulls so it’s basically flush.
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I ride an 8.75 and have run both 8.5 and 8.75 wides underneath. I prefer 159's but I have big ass size 16 shoes so the extra stability (even if it's only imagined) helps. With conical fulls you probably won't be able to tell a difference tbh.
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I normally ride 159/169/55 but just feeling like changing things up to save some weight. The 149s are the old Hollow Cast ones.

makes sense. you could also get some thunder hollows or something if you want to keep the same width. they are super light and come in a 159.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on April 16, 2020, 03:04:20 AM
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I come to you all in the truck thread seeking advice.

I've moved back on to some thunder 151s, that I was running bones in before, but I'd like to move to some cylinders for stability. What bushings would suit the thunders best? Thinking about some Indy barrels for simplicity.
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ace bottoms with a shaved down stock top has been sooo good for my 151s. not as simple as just buying a set and throwing them in but it was well worth my 15 minutes tinkering around. coming off the stock conicals, i was able to set up for tricks without all the wobble and still have them loose enough to get that surfy turn that feels thunder like with a hint of ace.

there is a noticeable balance deadzone at first but it works perfectly once the bushings are broken in.


I have ace bottom, white thunder top(roadside) on my 148 Thunders. Helped mee too with tricks stability. Really like them now.
Thunder 147's i can skate with standard bushings.
Anything bigger, and conicals are too loose for me. Tried 94a aftermarket conicals, but the barrels just feel more controllable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on April 16, 2020, 06:52:02 AM
Quote from: TFUCKINA on April 15, 2020, 10:57:30 PM
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Can't remember if it was on this thread, most likely yes, that a pal was saying about badly he hated when Thunder trucks came "swapped".
In my case got these with "Team" on both of them
(https://i.imgur.com/Xzg45wBl.jpg)
Luckily the anodized colors on the hanger don't bother me :)
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never seen this color of thunders. digging the “prime” colored hangers. just got some pig hardware like that.
I'll put a decent photo on the setup thread since this was taken at night
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cthulhu! on April 16, 2020, 11:57:49 AM
Last night I swapped out bushings. I put in the 78a super soft Independents in place of the stocks. Hand tightened. I skated some parking blocks. An hour, an hour and a half at the most. The top bushing in the back already split! One session. You can see that line going around the middle, if I pulled at both halves I could just peel it apart. I know they're super soft but I wasn't expecting this. I'm a whole 130 right now. Not impressed.

(https://i.imgur.com/fmkOTt3.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 16, 2020, 02:37:35 PM
Quote from: Cthulhu! on April 16, 2020, 11:57:49 AM
Last night I swapped out bushings. I put in the 78a super soft Independents in place of the stocks. Hand tightened. I skated some parking blocks. An hour, an hour and a half at the most. The top bushing in the back already split! One session. You can see that line going around the middle, if I pulled at both halves I could just peel it apart. I know they're super soft but I wasn't expecting this. I'm a whole 130 right now. Not impressed.

(https://i.imgur.com/fmkOTt3.jpg)

I rode the 78a once, they got shredded almost instantly, same happened with the Khiro 73a, they just aren't made for heavy people, I don't they're for anyone over 60lbs. Not that they shouldn't be durable if used by bigger people tho. sucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 16, 2020, 03:48:12 PM
Quote from: Xen on April 16, 2020, 02:37:35 PM
Quote from: Cthulhu! on April 16, 2020, 11:57:49 AM
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Last night I swapped out bushings. I put in the 78a super soft Independents in place of the stocks. Hand tightened. I skated some parking blocks. An hour, an hour and a half at the most. The top bushing in the back already split! One session. You can see that line going around the middle, if I pulled at both halves I could just peel it apart. I know they're super soft but I wasn't expecting this. I'm a whole 130 right now. Not impressed.

(https://i.imgur.com/fmkOTt3.jpg)
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I rode the 78a once, they got shredded almost instantly, same happened with the Khiro 73a, they just aren't made for heavy people, I don't they're for anyone over 60lbs. Not that they shouldn't be durable if used by bigger people tho. sucks.

that's what happened to my stock purple bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 16, 2020, 03:50:06 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on April 16, 2020, 03:48:12 PM
Quote from: Xen on April 16, 2020, 02:37:35 PM
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Last night I swapped out bushings. I put in the 78a super soft Independents in place of the stocks. Hand tightened. I skated some parking blocks. An hour, an hour and a half at the most. The top bushing in the back already split! One session. You can see that line going around the middle, if I pulled at both halves I could just peel it apart. I know they're super soft but I wasn't expecting this. I'm a whole 130 right now. Not impressed.

(https://i.imgur.com/fmkOTt3.jpg)
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I rode the 78a once, they got shredded almost instantly, same happened with the Khiro 73a, they just aren't made for heavy people, I don't they're for anyone over 60lbs. Not that they shouldn't be durable if used by bigger people tho. sucks.
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that's what happened to my stock purple bushings.

same, though after a week or two rather than one session. Running old broken in bushings is the best but hard if they keep getting shredded.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on April 16, 2020, 07:49:07 PM
Why can't thunder baseplates hit the ledge.... my truck crisis would be cured immediately.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on April 16, 2020, 08:19:27 PM
Quote from: Bizarro Jerry on April 16, 2020, 07:49:07 PM
Why can't thunder baseplates hit the ledge.... my truck crisis would be cured immediately.

Throw on some smaller wheels. I loved sliding when i was rocking 147s and 50mms. They locked in so damn well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 16, 2020, 08:40:58 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on April 16, 2020, 08:19:27 PM
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Why can't thunder baseplates hit the ledge.... my truck crisis would be cured immediately.
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Throw on some smaller wheels. I loved sliding when i was rocking 147s and 50mms. They locked in so damn well.

Best slides I’ve ever had have been on this configuration
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 16, 2020, 09:18:41 PM
Quote from: Ok on April 16, 2020, 08:40:58 PM
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Why can't thunder baseplates hit the ledge.... my truck crisis would be cured immediately.
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Throw on some smaller wheels. I loved sliding when i was rocking 147s and 50mms. They locked in so damn well.
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Best slides I’ve ever had have been on this configuration

They'll probably have to be classics or 101a though. I had some slightly wider wheels worn down to 50 or just under and they were still dragging a good amount.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 16, 2020, 09:26:03 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on April 16, 2020, 09:18:41 PM
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Why can't thunder baseplates hit the ledge.... my truck crisis would be cured immediately.
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Throw on some smaller wheels. I loved sliding when i was rocking 147s and 50mms. They locked in so damn well.
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Best slides I’ve ever had have been on this configuration
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They'll probably have to be classics or 101a though. I had some slightly wider wheels worn down to 50 or just under and they were still dragging a good amount.


Great point: classics, but mine were 99. Fulls have that grip.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on April 17, 2020, 07:13:22 AM
Quote from: Ok on April 16, 2020, 09:26:03 PM
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Why can't thunder baseplates hit the ledge.... my truck crisis would be cured immediately.
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Throw on some smaller wheels. I loved sliding when i was rocking 147s and 50mms. They locked in so damn well.
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Best slides I’ve ever had have been on this configuration
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They'll probably have to be classics or 101a though. I had some slightly wider wheels worn down to 50 or just under and they were still dragging a good amount.
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Hmm... never occurred to me that smaller wheels might fix the issue. Although I've never gone below 53 mm in my life.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 17, 2020, 04:00:35 PM
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lol. Its ok.

Look how beautiful they are.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Saint Coke on April 17, 2020, 05:01:19 PM
Does anyone have any experience with ventures on a 14.5 wb?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on April 17, 2020, 05:12:39 PM
Quote from: off on April 15, 2020, 05:10:11 AM
Quote from: Wonderful Whizzplank on April 14, 2020, 11:45:18 AM
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I come to you all in the truck thread seeking advice.

I've moved back on to some thunder 151s, that I was running bones in before, but I'd like to move to some cylinders for stability. What bushings would suit the thunders best? Thinking about some Indy barrels for simplicity.
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ace bottoms with a shaved down stock top has been sooo good for my 151s. not as simple as just buying a set and throwing them in but it was well worth my 15 minutes tinkering around. coming off the stock conicals, i was able to set up for tricks without all the wobble and still have them loose enough to get that surfy turn that feels thunder like with a hint of ace.

there is a noticeable balance deadzone at first but it works perfectly once the bushings are broken in.

The Ace bottom bushings are a magic bullet for me. They feel how a soft bushing should feel, but never does. I have 5 pairs of trucks and they are all better with an ace on bottom. I don't think they even realize what they have. I use them in my Krux and if it weren't for the bushings I'd probably skate Ace or Thunder.

Notice how no one ever talks about swapping the bushings on Ace anymore?

Unfortunately the sizing is a little weird, so I'd suggest anyone just get one of each type of ace bushings and figure out what size combo is best in your trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 17, 2020, 07:17:09 PM
Quote from: Beeker on April 17, 2020, 05:12:39 PM
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I come to you all in the truck thread seeking advice.

I've moved back on to some thunder 151s, that I was running bones in before, but I'd like to move to some cylinders for stability. What bushings would suit the thunders best? Thinking about some Indy barrels for simplicity.
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ace bottoms with a shaved down stock top has been sooo good for my 151s. not as simple as just buying a set and throwing them in but it was well worth my 15 minutes tinkering around. coming off the stock conicals, i was able to set up for tricks without all the wobble and still have them loose enough to get that surfy turn that feels thunder like with a hint of ace.

there is a noticeable balance deadzone at first but it works perfectly once the bushings are broken in.
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The Ace bottom bushings are a magic bullet for me. They feel how a soft bushing should feel, but never does. I have 5 pairs of trucks and they are all better with an ace on bottom. I don't think they even realize what they have. I use them in my Krux and if it weren't for the bushings I'd probably skate Ace or Thunder.

Notice how no one ever talks about swapping the bushings on Ace anymore?

Unfortunately the sizing is a little weird, so I'd suggest anyone just get one of each type of ace bushings and figure out what size combo is best in your trucks.

I think they know, or they wouldn't have made them in that specific dual duro and upgraded/improved them from the first gen of bushings.

Low top Regular bottom or just shave down the tall top (that fucker is really tall tho).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on April 17, 2020, 07:23:46 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on April 17, 2020, 04:00:35 PM
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lol. Its ok.

Look how beautiful they are.
shit i just got purple 97a for my 6.1 waiting for them to arrive. im 200lbs tho
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: legion on April 17, 2020, 11:49:07 PM
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lol. Its ok.

Look how beautiful they are.
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shit i just got purple 97a for my 6.1 waiting for them to arrive. im 200lbs tho
Lol. I'm too skinny.. I see that pic and all I can think are tictacs ;D

Bumming me out on the super softs though. I was thinking of add them to the collection.
Guess I'll go clear Supercush and red Indy bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 17, 2020, 11:55:10 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on April 17, 2020, 07:23:46 PM
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lol. Its ok.

Look how beautiful they are.
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shit i just got purple 97a for my 6.1 waiting for them to arrive. im 200lbs tho

I'm down to a 170 from like 190. My goal is 165.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on April 18, 2020, 05:40:29 AM
Quote from: jay_nev on April 17, 2020, 07:23:46 PM
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lol. Its ok.

Look how beautiful they are.
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shit i just got purple 97a for my 6.1 waiting for them to arrive. im 200lbs tho
I got both and I preferred the purple also 2 hundo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: front_crooks on April 18, 2020, 05:44:24 AM
8.18-8.25 board with Thunder 148's, but I want to try Venture Hi's.  Rode the lows forever when I was a teen and in my 20's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on April 18, 2020, 06:56:19 AM
Anyone riding ace 33's on a 8.125? I feel like they look a little small on the board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 18, 2020, 07:02:21 AM
Quote from: Bizarro Jerry on April 18, 2020, 06:56:19 AM
Anyone riding ace 33's on a 8.125? I feel like they look a little small on the board.

I ride 139s with 8125

Its perfect in my opinion

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 18, 2020, 07:07:26 AM
Quote from: Bizarro Jerry on April 18, 2020, 06:56:19 AM
Anyone riding ace 33's on a 8.125? I feel like they look a little small on the board.

I swear the old ones (in 33s I had v1, v2) used to say that they measured less than 8”, like 7.875” ish.
Aesthetically they are my favorite truck.
Ace trucks frequently have more axle, so you can use spacers to place the wheels further out, or in, as you like.
Me and the 44s haven’t ever really hit off, I liked em when I was using super tall wheels, but couldn’t generate pop all that well on different setups. Probably just me being old n dusty.
I want 33s again.
Being grounded w/covid season and I’m just on slap and instagram staring at setups. Which is fine. Except. I know that, for me, I skate better on 7.8-8.25” boards, on 8” trucks. But the setups with wider trucks than board look so sick. Pretty soon I’m barely holding myself back from setting up/purchasing more items that I’m relatively certain don’t work best for me.




Yes 8” ace look smaller, to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on April 18, 2020, 07:08:34 AM
Quote from: front_crooks on April 18, 2020, 05:44:24 AM
8.18-8.25 board with Thunder 148's, but I want to try Venture Hi's.  Rode the lows forever when I was a teen and in my 20's.

DO IT.
went from 148’s to venture hi 5.6 and I’ve been really happy with them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GoneWithTheSchwinn on April 18, 2020, 07:29:20 AM
Just put some aftermarket Indy low bushings in my stage 11s. The stock bushings suck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 18, 2020, 07:31:23 AM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on April 18, 2020, 07:08:34 AM
Quote from: front_crooks on April 18, 2020, 05:44:24 AM
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8.18-8.25 board with Thunder 148's, but I want to try Venture Hi's.  Rode the lows forever when I was a teen and in my 20's.
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DO IT.
went from 148’s to venture hi 5.6 and I’ve been really happy with them

If you feel highlighting why, that’d be sick.
Also, you set you 5.6s up with smaller decks, yes?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on April 18, 2020, 07:44:04 AM
Quote from: Ok on April 18, 2020, 07:31:23 AM
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8.18-8.25 board with Thunder 148's, but I want to try Venture Hi's.  Rode the lows forever when I was a teen and in my 20's.
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DO IT.
went from 148’s to venture hi 5.6 and I’ve been really happy with them
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If you feel highlighting why, that’d be sick.
Also, you set you 5.6s up with smaller decks, yes?
I ran the 5.6 with 8/8.1. I actually bought the 5.2’s first but missed that extra room on the hangar for grinds. In terms of flipping my board I didn’t find the 5.2 to flip better enough to justify having less hangar real estate.
I found the stability of the ventures to help me out with my flat ground and manual tricks and personally I have had no issues with the ventures turning, while I know some people have.

My only suggestion is watch the wheelbase on your deck since the ventures will extend it. Personally I normally ride a 14 wheelbase so the added length with ventures kinda feels like a sweet spot for me right now.
Been on 2 8.1’s and have 2 more on deck so I’m set with the 8.1 with 8.25 truck combo for the time being.

Sorry for the thesis
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 18, 2020, 07:55:09 AM
Nah, the Thesis goes.


I appreciate the context.
I have 5.2 hi’s that I haven’t used.
A year ago I got 5.8s, and although I liked them, I tried to put them on 3 straight boards that had 14.25 wb, and didn’t love it. So I gave em to one of those skate friends who always needs something. Of course now I want to try 5.8s again, and I’ve been on a 14” Max wb program.
When I try to reason what size trucks (because I don’t just flop brands around, I switch sizes too, you know, like a crazy person), I figure trucks, to me, cover a .5” deck range. .25”, up, and down. I’m most likely to do ok skating 7.75-8.25” decks, 8” trucks should be the move.
Ooookkkkkkk thanks for the response, I need to get outside and actually skate
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on April 18, 2020, 06:56:37 PM
Anyone have their trucks tightened exactly the same and one shows more thread? Shit trips me out. I've loosened and tightened them 3 times exactly 3 turns and the front shows more. I'm going crazy..   :o
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on April 18, 2020, 08:01:05 PM
Quote from: skatefresh on April 18, 2020, 06:56:37 PM
Anyone have their trucks tightened exactly the same and one shows more thread? Shit trips me out. I've loosened and tightened them 3 times exactly 3 turns and the front shows more. I'm going crazy..   :o

It’s not a big deal.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Saint Coke on April 18, 2020, 08:55:06 PM
Does anyone have any experience with ventures on a 14.5 wb?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 18, 2020, 09:11:23 PM
Quote from: Saint Coke on April 18, 2020, 08:55:06 PM
Does anyone have any experience with ventures on a 14.5 wb?

Yeah it was fine, a little bit hefty to pop but good yield and made all my tricks feel pretty good. Bit more effort than on a 14.25 or something though but 14.5 is totally doable if you get used to that particular feeling.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Juanjo789 on April 18, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
I`m currently riding ace 44s, after these are toast im not sure if i should buy indy 149 hollows or thunder 151s
I skate a little bit of everything so any input would be great
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on April 18, 2020, 09:32:03 PM
Quote from: sneakpeekmeek on April 18, 2020, 08:01:05 PM
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Anyone have their trucks tightened exactly the same and one shows more thread? Shit trips me out. I've loosened and tightened them 3 times exactly 3 turns and the front shows more. I'm going crazy..   :o
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It’s not a big deal.
Nah. Just sets off my ocd.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on April 18, 2020, 09:36:02 PM
Quote from: Juanjo789 on April 18, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
I`m currently riding ace 44s, after these are toast im not sure if i should buy indy 149 hollows or thunder 151s
I skate a little bit of everything so any input would be great
Board size?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Juanjo789 on April 18, 2020, 09:48:08 PM
Quote from: moonordie on April 18, 2020, 09:36:02 PM
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I`m currently riding ace 44s, after these are toast im not sure if i should buy indy 149 hollows or thunder 151s
I skate a little bit of everything so any input would be great
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Board size?
8.5 so it doesnt really matter its more of the characteristics of each truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 11112345 on April 18, 2020, 09:51:49 PM
Quote from: Saint Coke on April 18, 2020, 08:55:06 PM
Does anyone have any experience with ventures on a 14.5 wb?

my 6.1s have been on an 8.38 full with a 14.5wb, a 8.625 with a 14.5 wheelbase, and an 8.75 with a 14.7wb full (listed as 14.7 but nearly 14.8), all with short 6.5-6.75" mellow tails (dlx & baker wood). they've been great on each. the 14.5wb boards have magical pop with smaller wheels (51mm zone) and the 14.7 gives the same with 54s (and now 53s). there's a tall squirrelly slightly unsettling feeling to the pop on the 14.5 boards with 54s, but it's all still very skate-able~ :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on April 18, 2020, 09:53:48 PM
Quote from: Juanjo789 on April 18, 2020, 09:48:08 PM
Quote from: moonordie on April 18, 2020, 09:36:02 PM
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Quote from: Juanjo789 on April 18, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
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I`m currently riding ace 44s, after these are toast im not sure if i should buy indy 149 hollows or thunder 151s
I skate a little bit of everything so any input would be great
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Board size?
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8.5 so it doesnt really matter its more of the characteristics of each truck
I'm biased so my advice will suck, can't stand Indy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Juanjo789 on April 18, 2020, 10:06:43 PM
Quote from: moonordie on April 18, 2020, 09:53:48 PM
Quote from: Juanjo789 on April 18, 2020, 09:48:08 PM
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Quote from: moonordie on April 18, 2020, 09:36:02 PM
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Quote from: Juanjo789 on April 18, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
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I`m currently riding ace 44s, after these are toast im not sure if i should buy indy 149 hollows or thunder 151s
I skate a little bit of everything so any input would be great
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Board size?
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8.5 so it doesnt really matter its more of the characteristics of each truck
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I'm biased so my advice will suck, can't stand Indy.
im also biased, thats why i got aces lol,
1 point for thunders haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 18, 2020, 10:18:40 PM
Quote from: 11112345 on April 18, 2020, 09:51:49 PM
Quote from: Saint Coke on April 18, 2020, 08:55:06 PM
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Does anyone have any experience with ventures on a 14.5 wb?
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my 6.1s have been on an 8.38 full with a 14.5wb, a 8.625 with a 14.5 wheelbase, and an 8.75 with a 14.7wb full (listed as 14.7 but nearly 14.8), all with short 6.5-6.75" mellow tails (dlx & baker wood). they've been great on each. the 14.5wb boards have magical pop with smaller wheels (51mm zone) and the 14.7 gives the same with 54s (and now 53s). there's a tall squirrelly slightly unsettling feeling to the pop on the 14.5 boards with 54s, but it's all still very skate-able~ :)

How do you rate your 6.1s overall? I’ve been staring at them online for the last few days
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 19, 2020, 02:13:27 AM
Quote from: Juanjo789 on April 18, 2020, 10:06:43 PM
Quote from: moonordie on April 18, 2020, 09:53:48 PM
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Quote from: Juanjo789 on April 18, 2020, 09:48:08 PM
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Quote from: moonordie on April 18, 2020, 09:36:02 PM
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Quote from: Juanjo789 on April 18, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
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I`m currently riding ace 44s, after these are toast im not sure if i should buy indy 149 hollows or thunder 151s
I skate a little bit of everything so any input would be great
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Board size?
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8.5 so it doesnt really matter its more of the characteristics of each truck
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I'm biased so my advice will suck, can't stand Indy.
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im also biased, thats why i got aces lol,
1 point for thunders haha
151s. i have two forged pairs, love that truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on April 19, 2020, 06:42:14 AM
The Alien 8.175 shape is supposedly 14.5 wb
Interested how Ventures would work on that board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PeskOne on April 19, 2020, 07:39:04 AM
People talk about Venture and big wheelbase, isn't thunder even worse? I mean the wheelbase is even bigger on them. I got Venture 5.6 on 8.125 board and feels perfect but my bushings have gotten a little harder, so I'm gonna loosen them just a little. I got 14 wheelbase, and I feel that there is kind of hefty pop actually. My primitive board seems to have many fingers of flat. Don't know if that good or bad. I haven't skated with it enough to get really used to them yet. So I guess I just need to go out and skate. I feel like when I get used to it my tricks will look much better, because when I do it right I feel like it gets better than indy with a light pop. It's just that snap when rolling doing a little snap ollie that often result in ghost pop. I have been thinking a bit about buying Thunders 148, but its just my mind and curiosity. I skated a pair of Thunders I loved before I had a big break, and only Thunder. Before that it was mostly Venture I think. Then last summer it was Indies, both 139 and 144. Hated the 139 last summer but when I skated with them before I got my Ventures I actually liked them cuz the snap and light pop, but its because I'm week, need to skate more get my muscles back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on April 19, 2020, 07:51:23 AM
As far as I know, Venture actually have the longest wheelbase.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on April 19, 2020, 12:08:18 PM
For anyone who’s 200 pounds plus who want a more stable feeling bushing or for anyone who just prefers their trucks on the tighter side regardless of their weight I suggest the black doh doh bushings; they’re hard enough where you can just put them in and keep the nut flush with the kingpin and they’re good to go, rather then having to crank the nut down and risk breaking other bushings. They are the only bushings I’ve skated so far that stay the same hardness too overtime rather than get softer and softer as time goes, so you don’t have to keep messing with them every couple weeks because they’re starting to feel mushier and softer, like with bones bushings.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0020/1628/0646/products/IMG_5886_afe45726-630a-4a1b-8027-6fc6060c2af7_1200x1200_crop_center.jpg?v=1573009559)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: legion on April 19, 2020, 02:14:31 PM
Quote from: Idk on April 19, 2020, 06:42:14 AM
The Alien 8.175 shape is supposedly 14.5 wb
Interested how Ventures would work on that board.
That sounds like a typo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 19, 2020, 02:42:55 PM
Quote from: GoneWithTheSchwinn on April 18, 2020, 07:29:20 AM
Just put some aftermarket Indy low bushings in my stage 11s. The stock bushings suck.

conical or barrel bottom?

Can you show the difference in height for the top bushings?

I'm in need of top bushings so I guess it doesn't matter about the first question
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on April 19, 2020, 05:01:17 PM
Quote from: Juanjo789 on April 18, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
I`m currently riding ace 44s, after these are toast im not sure if i should buy indy 149 hollows or thunder 151s
I skate a little bit of everything so any input would be great

Indys...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lamfordie on April 19, 2020, 06:23:38 PM
Can Thunder kingpins fit inside Venture base plates?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on April 19, 2020, 06:36:01 PM
Quote from: lamfordie on April 19, 2020, 06:23:38 PM
Can Thunder kingpins fit inside Venture base plates?

it should fit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 11112345 on April 19, 2020, 07:28:49 PM
Quote from: Ok on April 18, 2020, 10:18:40 PM
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Quote from: Saint Coke on April 18, 2020, 08:55:06 PM
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Does anyone have any experience with ventures on a 14.5 wb?
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my 6.1s have been on an 8.38 full with a 14.5wb, a 8.625 with a 14.5 wheelbase, and an 8.75 with a 14.7wb full (listed as 14.7 but nearly 14.8), all with short 6.5-6.75" mellow tails (dlx & baker wood). they've been great on each. the 14.5wb boards have magical pop with smaller wheels (51mm zone) and the 14.7 gives the same with 54s (and now 53s). there's a tall squirrelly slightly unsettling feeling to the pop on the 14.5 boards with 54s, but it's all still very skate-able~ :)
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How do you rate your 6.1s overall? I’ve been staring at them online for the last few days

really fun!!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Saint Coke on April 19, 2020, 09:23:07 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on April 18, 2020, 09:11:23 PM
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Does anyone have any experience with ventures on a 14.5 wb?
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Yeah it was fine, a little bit hefty to pop but good yield and made all my tricks feel pretty good. Bit more effort than on a 14.25 or something though but 14.5 is totally doable if you get used to that particular feeling.
Thank you
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 19, 2020, 11:18:57 PM
Quote from: Saint Coke on April 19, 2020, 09:23:07 PM
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Does anyone have any experience with ventures on a 14.5 wb?
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Yeah it was fine, a little bit hefty to pop but good yield and made all my tricks feel pretty good. Bit more effort than on a 14.25 or something though but 14.5 is totally doable if you get used to that particular feeling.
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Thank you

Np, I should add that I'm 6 5 and had just come down from skating wider wheelbase boards. I'm settled on 14.25-38 right now, which some people think is on the long end to pair with ventures on forged plates, perhaps if I went back up now I'd find it a bit more effort, but probably still totally manageable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on April 20, 2020, 05:56:40 AM
6’4” on 6.1 (standard plates tho) on a 14.5”
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 20, 2020, 06:22:56 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on April 19, 2020, 11:18:57 PM
Quote from: Saint Coke on April 19, 2020, 09:23:07 PM
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Quote from: tzhangdox on April 18, 2020, 09:11:23 PM
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Quote from: Saint Coke on April 18, 2020, 08:55:06 PM
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Does anyone have any experience with ventures on a 14.5 wb?
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Yeah it was fine, a little bit hefty to pop but good yield and made all my tricks feel pretty good. Bit more effort than on a 14.25 or something though but 14.5 is totally doable if you get used to that particular feeling.
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Thank you
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Np, I should add that I'm 6 5 and had just come down from skating wider wheelbase boards. I'm settled on 14.25-38 right now, which some people think is on the long end to pair with ventures on forged plates, perhaps if I went back up now I'd find it a bit more effort, but probably still totally manageable.
how are your rotational tricks with the longer axle to axle wb? have contemplated venture ti but the fear of the board going around much slower and the fact i like short tails seems like it wouldnt work out for me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lukabrazi on April 20, 2020, 07:36:36 AM
I put some ventures on a 14” WB real deck 8.06”

I had thunders on there before . When looking at the marks left from the thunders baseplates , you’d think the Wheelbase would be extended putting on the Ventures . But when measured from axel to axel it still was 17.25” for both trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 20, 2020, 07:44:21 AM
Quote from: Lukabrazi on April 20, 2020, 07:36:36 AM
I put some ventures on a 14” WB real deck 8.06”

I had thunders on there before . When looking at the marks left from the thunders baseplates , you’d think the Wheelbase would be extended putting on the Ventures . But when measured from axel to axel it still was 17.25” for both trucks
thunder forged is the same as venture cast
venture forged pushes it out the most
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FredGallsBallz on April 20, 2020, 08:24:01 AM
If I'm coming from Thunders, will I have an easier switching to Indy or Venture?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on April 20, 2020, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: FredGallsBallz on April 20, 2020, 08:24:01 AM
If I'm coming from Thunders, will I have an easier switching to Indy or Venture?

I would decide based on why you want to switch and what boards you like. I enjoy ventures because they pop similar to thunder and have a baseplate that is out farther for tailslides. My buddy prefers indy for the carve on turns.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 20, 2020, 08:56:06 AM
I can easily switch between venture and Indy. All 3 make decent trucks.
I used to ride ventures, but recommend Indy’s, as a more ‘middle ground, works for everyone’ truck.
Ventures are the way to go, if you need em looser take the top washer off/replace with a flat top washer. Easy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Yibb-Tstll on April 20, 2020, 09:12:03 AM
Does anyone have the same issues with bushings popping out of the hanger (only back truck)? I guess it comes from repeatedly bashing the hanger on decked boardslide/rock 'n' roll.

I tried to sand down the bits/shards created and that keep on cutting the bushings. It kinda works and I'm able to put the bushings in place mid-sessions.

I'm used to borderline shitty set-ups and fucking around to make it work but I wouldn't mind fixing it once and for all

(https://i.imgur.com/t5z907K.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HdGBSPx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Jre8Gfl.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 20, 2020, 01:45:23 PM
Quote from: Yibb-Tstll on April 20, 2020, 09:12:03 AM
Does anyone have the same issues with bushings popping out of the hanger (only back truck)? I guess it comes from repeatedly bashing the hanger on decked boardslide/rock 'n' roll.

I tried to sand down the bits/shards created and that keep on cutting the bushings. It kinda works and I'm able to put the bushings in place mid-sessions.

I'm used to borderline shitty set-ups and fucking around to make it work but I wouldn't mind fixing it once and for all

(https://i.imgur.com/t5z907K.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HdGBSPx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Jre8Gfl.jpg)

through a stock top washer on it buy some more time maybe
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 20, 2020, 01:52:10 PM
Quote from: Yibb-Tstll on April 20, 2020, 09:12:03 AM
Does anyone have the same issues with bushings popping out of the hanger (only back truck)? I guess it comes from repeatedly bashing the hanger on decked boardslide/rock 'n' roll.

I tried to sand down the bits/shards created and that keep on cutting the bushings. It kinda works and I'm able to put the bushings in place mid-sessions.

I'm used to borderline shitty set-ups and fucking around to make it work but I wouldn't mind fixing it once and for all

(https://i.imgur.com/t5z907K.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HdGBSPx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Jre8Gfl.jpg)

I definitely DO NOT have that issue. I’d have to really skate, and not just flail a few switch flips and call it a day. Short of running a conical bushing upside down (which can’t work, right?) I dunno how you are gonna get a bushing to stay seated. Good luck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on April 20, 2020, 01:59:39 PM
Quote from: Yibb-Tstll on April 20, 2020, 09:12:03 AM

I'm used to borderline shitty set-ups and fucking around to make it work but I wouldn't mind fixing it once and for all

It's super easy to fix.


It just costs $45 do do so.


Buy some new trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on April 20, 2020, 02:04:48 PM
Anyone ever used shorty’s red pivot cups?

.. they were pennies but feel just plastic
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oneOone on April 20, 2020, 03:26:42 PM
Quote from: Yibb-Tstll on April 20, 2020, 09:12:03 AM
Does anyone have the same issues with bushings popping out of the hanger (only back truck)? I guess it comes from repeatedly bashing the hanger on decked boardslide/rock 'n' roll.

I tried to sand down the bits/shards created and that keep on cutting the bushings. It kinda works and I'm able to put the bushings in place mid-sessions.

I'm used to borderline shitty set-ups and fucking around to make it work but I wouldn't mind fixing it once and for all

(https://i.imgur.com/t5z907K.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HdGBSPx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Jre8Gfl.jpg)

Bottom washer might help as it might change the geometry of the truck slightly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kneesles on April 20, 2020, 06:27:09 PM
Quote from: Yibb-Tstll on April 20, 2020, 09:12:03 AM
Does anyone have the same issues with bushings popping out of the hanger (only back truck)? I guess it comes from repeatedly bashing the hanger on decked boardslide/rock 'n' roll.

I tried to sand down the bits/shards created and that keep on cutting the bushings. It kinda works and I'm able to put the bushings in place mid-sessions.

I'm used to borderline shitty set-ups and fucking around to make it work but I wouldn't mind fixing it once and for all

(https://i.imgur.com/t5z907K.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HdGBSPx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Jre8Gfl.jpg)

I would first replace your pivot cups and then install a new set of bushings with a cupped washer on top. Id go with your choice of indy barrel bushings or krux if you want 92a hardness. The krux pivot cup might also work but it could be a touch to large. Also if the top bushing seat on the hanger is deformed you can grind away a bit of the edge to fit a flat steel washer under the top bushing to create a stable seat but i would only try that if the newly installed parts were not jiving.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on April 20, 2020, 06:53:21 PM
Quote from: Kneesles on April 20, 2020, 06:27:09 PM
Quote from: Yibb-Tstll on April 20, 2020, 09:12:03 AM
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Does anyone have the same issues with bushings popping out of the hanger (only back truck)? I guess it comes from repeatedly bashing the hanger on decked boardslide/rock 'n' roll.

I tried to sand down the bits/shards created and that keep on cutting the bushings. It kinda works and I'm able to put the bushings in place mid-sessions.

I'm used to borderline shitty set-ups and fucking around to make it work but I wouldn't mind fixing it once and for all

(https://i.imgur.com/t5z907K.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HdGBSPx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Jre8Gfl.jpg)
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I would first replace your pivot cups and then install a new set of bushings with a cupped washer on top. Id go with your choice of indy barrel bushings or krux if you want 92a hardness. The krux pivot cup might also work but it could be a touch to large. Also if the top bushing seat on the hanger is deformed you can grind away a bit of the edge to fit a flat steel washer under the top bushing to create a stable seat but i would only try that if the newly installed parts were not jiving. the trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on April 20, 2020, 08:50:28 PM
Anybody have experience with Thunders soft bushings? 90a
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Yibb-Tstll on April 21, 2020, 05:08:57 AM
Thanks for the replies, guys. I've already tried a couple of washers variations, top/bottom, stock/bones etc... Nothing really worked. I guess the edge bushing seat is just too worn-out to hold it from popping.
The thing is, it doesn't affect my skating at all. It just looks dumb. Might be the time to finally switch to Ace
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TokyoBoyzClub on April 21, 2020, 05:24:03 AM
It almost looks like you bashed int that outer circular part of your tucks so much that pocket where the bushing sits isn't really round anymore, making the bushing stick out. Might just be time for new trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 21, 2020, 06:37:56 AM
Quote from: Fat Tire on April 20, 2020, 08:50:28 PM
Anybody have experience with Thunders soft bushings? 90a
thunder stock bushings are 90a. i use the stock tops but dont care for the conical bottoms. harder to land on at the looseness i ride
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 21, 2020, 08:26:06 AM
Quote from: Fat Tire on April 20, 2020, 08:50:28 PM
Anybody have experience with Thunders soft bushings? 90a

Yes, I won't use anything else in Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on April 21, 2020, 08:53:24 AM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 21, 2020, 08:26:06 AM
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Anybody have experience with Thunders soft bushings? 90a
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Yes, I won't use anything else in Thunders.

The 90a is good for the winter, but they get incredibly loose in the hot spring/summer. I have to switch to 94a during the hotter season. They're a little sticky and don't center out very well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Daniel on April 21, 2020, 01:36:23 PM
Been riding ace barrel and thunder tops due to my stock bottoms busting. The rebound and turn is so smooth.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on April 21, 2020, 03:15:08 PM
Quote from: moonordie on April 20, 2020, 06:53:21 PM
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Does anyone have the same issues with bushings popping out of the hanger (only back truck)? I guess it comes from repeatedly bashing the hanger on decked boardslide/rock 'n' roll.

I tried to sand down the bits/shards created and that keep on cutting the bushings. It kinda works and I'm able to put the bushings in place mid-sessions.

I'm used to borderline shitty set-ups and fucking around to make it work but I wouldn't mind fixing it once and for all

(https://i.imgur.com/t5z907K.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HdGBSPx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Jre8Gfl.jpg)
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I would first replace your pivot cups and then install a new set of bushings with a cupped washer on top. Id go with your choice of indy barrel bushings or krux if you want 92a hardness. The krux pivot cup might also work but it could be a touch to large. Also if the top bushing seat on the hanger is deformed you can grind away a bit of the edge to fit a flat steel washer under the top bushing to create a stable seat but i would only try that if the newly installed parts were not jiving. the trucks.
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It’s your hanger I’m pretty sure. In that last pic look at the inside hole where the bushing would sit (don’t know the official name of it), but it’s all misshapen and looks to be deformed to where it’s kinda sticking out, so that’s probably what’s been pushing your top bushing out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: legion on April 21, 2020, 03:44:24 PM
Quote from: Noble Experiment on April 21, 2020, 03:15:08 PM
Quote from: moonordie on April 20, 2020, 06:53:21 PM
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Does anyone have the same issues with bushings popping out of the hanger (only back truck)? I guess it comes from repeatedly bashing the hanger on decked boardslide/rock 'n' roll.

I tried to sand down the bits/shards created and that keep on cutting the bushings. It kinda works and I'm able to put the bushings in place mid-sessions.

I'm used to borderline shitty set-ups and fucking around to make it work but I wouldn't mind fixing it once and for all

(https://i.imgur.com/t5z907K.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HdGBSPx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Jre8Gfl.jpg)
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I would first replace your pivot cups and then install a new set of bushings with a cupped washer on top. Id go with your choice of indy barrel bushings or krux if you want 92a hardness. The krux pivot cup might also work but it could be a touch to large. Also if the top bushing seat on the hanger is deformed you can grind away a bit of the edge to fit a flat steel washer under the top bushing to create a stable seat but i would only try that if the newly installed parts were not jiving. the trucks.
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It’s your hanger I’m pretty sure. In that last pic look at the inside hole where the bushing would sit (don’t know the official name of it), but it’s all misshapen and looks to be deformed to where it’s kinda sticking out, so that’s probably what’s been pushing your top bushing out.
Good eye. The yoke does look tweaked there, like it's been bashed too many times.
Is the part of the hanger/yoke where the top bushing touches completely flat? If it isn't that could be your problem.
Also take a peek at your pivot cup. It could be blown out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on April 21, 2020, 05:02:14 PM
Tried Thunders today, I didn't get that special feeling that I'm hoping to get with ventures.
I was struggling a lot with my nollie heels
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Juanjo789 on April 21, 2020, 09:28:57 PM
biggest wheel for a regular thunder 151
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 21, 2020, 09:41:37 PM
Quote from: Juanjo789 on April 21, 2020, 09:28:57 PM
biggest wheel for a regular thunder 151
56mm if you're feeling lucky
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Juanjo789 on April 21, 2020, 09:47:45 PM
is there a difference between removing the top or the bottom washer?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on April 22, 2020, 12:59:29 AM
Quote from: Juanjo789 on April 21, 2020, 09:47:45 PM
is there a difference between removing the top or the bottom washer?

Removing the bottom will adjust the geometry of the truck slightly, whereas the top basically frees up the top bushing and gives you more room for your nut.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on April 22, 2020, 04:21:48 AM
Quote from: Juanjo789 on April 21, 2020, 09:28:57 PM
biggest wheel for a regular thunder 151
oh I’ll play

Biggest wheel for venture 6.1
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lukabrazi on April 22, 2020, 08:17:22 AM
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I put some ventures on a 14” WB real deck 8.06”

I had thunders on there before . When looking at the marks left from the thunders baseplates , you’d think the Wheelbase would be extended putting on the Ventures . But when measured from axel to axel it still was 17.25” for both trucks
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thunder forged is the same as venture cast
venture forged pushes it out the most

Sorry I didn’t clarify, I went from Thunder Lights 147 which I believe is forged baseplate correct? And I changed into Venture 5.2 Lights (which is also forged baseplate correct?) confused on why the wheelbase stayed the same
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PeskOne on April 23, 2020, 04:28:06 AM
Will going to 49mm-50mm wheels help with ghost popping? I went from Indies and now I'm ghost popping a lot on my Ventures, but they feel great when I'm not ghost popping. I think I have max 53 wheels now, got the red spitfire lock-ins wich are awsome.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on April 23, 2020, 05:05:43 AM
Quote from: PeskOne on April 23, 2020, 04:28:06 AM
Will going to 49mm-50mm wheels help with ghost popping? I went from Indies and now I'm ghost popping a lot on my Ventures, but they feel great when I'm not ghost popping. I think I have max 53 wheels now, got the red spitfire lock-ins wich are awsome.
Theoretically getting the board closer to the ground can help you, so a smaller wheel may fix the issue. How long have you been riding this particular setup? Did you give yourself time to get used to it?
Muscle memory is a bitch sometimes and now again it can make us a little lazy in terms of pop. Focus on banging the tail and it won’t take long to get used to.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 23, 2020, 05:14:51 AM
Quote from: PeskOne on April 23, 2020, 04:28:06 AM
Will going to 49mm-50mm wheels help with ghost popping? I went from Indies and now I'm ghost popping a lot on my Ventures, but they feel great when I'm not ghost popping. I think I have max 53 wheels now, got the red spitfire lock-ins wich are awsome.


As someone that likes to switch things about, I hear you.
And I’ve got some upcoming sessions (hopefully) that are going to SUCK, because I haven’t been skating.
Yeah, smaller wheels maybe, might would help.
But.....just being on your board more, getting acclimated, that’ll solve all of this.
 Creating more variables (by constantly changing your setup) when the act of skateboarding is already so full of them, can only make things more difficult.
If I remember correctly you said you hadn’t been skating for quite some time, gained a bunch of weight, recently came back to the game. Rad! Welcome back! Give yourself a break with the setup.
Switching your board around can be fun, and a distraction from the rest of life, but the results are definitely shit like ghost pops, and attempts at tricks that make it look like you’ve never skated, and then the rare sweet spot, popped, perfect whatever.


Or just buy the wheels I’m sure you’ll be better than ever.

-a guy that is contemplating buying 3 DIFFERENT sizes of ventures, simultaneously
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 23, 2020, 05:15:35 AM
Mr. Skidder said it better
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 23, 2020, 08:31:19 AM
Quote from: moonordie on April 21, 2020, 05:02:14 PM
Tried Thunders today, I didn't get that special feeling that I'm hoping to get with ventures.
I was struggling a lot with my nollie heels

me too but the opposite. I switched to venture and was struggling with nollie flip switch flip. I mean I struggle still but its normal again.

This is what I do. I do a nollie then I do a nollie flip. I do a sw Ollie then I do a switch flip.

This is how I get my flip tricks back regardless of stance. I also get used to new gear.

I am on a quest to switch Tre at a two push speed and film it before my 42nd birthday. Will likely be on ace 44s. The board spins 360 much faster on the ace.
Though my regs Tre looks way better on the 5.6
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 23, 2020, 09:21:47 AM
Quote from: Banned from the room on April 23, 2020, 08:31:19 AM
Quote from: moonordie on April 21, 2020, 05:02:14 PM
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Tried Thunders today, I didn't get that special feeling that I'm hoping to get with ventures.
I was struggling a lot with my nollie heels
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me too but the opposite. I switched to venture and was struggling with nollie flip switch flip. I mean I struggle still but its normal again.

This is what I do. I do a nollie then I do a nollie flip. I do a sw Ollie then I do a switch flip.

This is how I get my flip tricks back regardless of stance. I also get used to new gear.

I am on a quest to switch Tre at a two push speed and film it before my 42nd birthday. Will likely be on ace 44s. The board spins 360 much faster on the ace.
Though my regs Tre looks way better on the 5.6

I’m almost 42. Similar goal. Love the feeling of aces but can’t 360 flip for shit with em.
I’m sure I only did the tre-athalon a few times, but in my mind that’s a reasonable goal. My body assured that it is not.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on April 23, 2020, 10:56:37 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/gf1DlIvl.jpg)
Can't wait to get rid of that damn red baseplate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on April 23, 2020, 12:27:24 PM
Quote from: moonordie on April 23, 2020, 10:56:37 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/gf1DlIvl.jpg)
Can't wait to get rid of that damn red baseplate.

Highs? Lows?

I'm getting used to my thunder 147s. Hopefully I can get some more sessions in when my foot heals up. I think I realized I just like low trucks in general even though I swore off them for the longest.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Yibb-Tstll on April 23, 2020, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: legion on April 21, 2020, 03:44:24 PM
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Does anyone have the same issues with bushings popping out of the hanger (only back truck)? I guess it comes from repeatedly bashing the hanger on decked boardslide/rock 'n' roll.

I tried to sand down the bits/shards created and that keep on cutting the bushings. It kinda works and I'm able to put the bushings in place mid-sessions.

I'm used to borderline shitty set-ups and fucking around to make it work but I wouldn't mind fixing it once and for all
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I would first replace your pivot cups and then install a new set of bushings with a cupped washer on top. Id go with your choice of indy barrel bushings or krux if you want 92a hardness. The krux pivot cup might also work but it could be a touch to large. Also if the top bushing seat on the hanger is deformed you can grind away a bit of the edge to fit a flat steel washer under the top bushing to create a stable seat but i would only try that if the newly installed parts were not jiving. the trucks.
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It’s your hanger I’m pretty sure. In that last pic look at the inside hole where the bushing would sit (don’t know the official name of it), but it’s all misshapen and looks to be deformed to where it’s kinda sticking out, so that’s probably what’s been pushing your top bushing out.
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Good eye. The yoke does look tweaked there, like it's been bashed too many times.
Is the part of the hanger/yoke where the top bushing touches completely flat? If it isn't that could be your problem.
Also take a peek at your pivot cup. It could be blown out.

Quick update on this, thanks for the feedback. The pivot cup was blown-out but I didn't have one on hand. So at this point, I just switched the front and back hangers... And for now, it seems to work with good hanger/blown-out on the back and beat-up hanger/good pivot cup on the front. I can skate it like that but I will check if I can safely pick-up a new pair at the shop
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shitsandwich on April 23, 2020, 01:54:50 PM
Can I get some advice on trucks? I have a 8.5 egg shaped board and have never ridden anything but a 8.125 for like a decade so I don’t know what wheels and trucks would be appropriate. Ace 44s seems to get a lot of love here, but I’m reading that they’re heavy? I’m pretty much only going to skate flat ground, ledges and manual pads so do you think that’ll be an issue. For wheels I was going to get like 51 or 50 mm spitfire f4s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on April 23, 2020, 01:55:22 PM
Quote from: skatefresh on April 23, 2020, 12:27:24 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/gf1DlIvl.jpg)
Can't wait to get rid of that damn red baseplate.
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Highs? Lows?

I'm getting used to my thunder 147s. Hopefully I can get some more sessions in when my foot heals up. I think I realized I just like low trucks in general even though I swore off them for the longest.
Highs, I can't mess with low trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on April 23, 2020, 02:44:54 PM
Quote from: PeskOne on April 23, 2020, 04:28:06 AM
Will going to 49mm-50mm wheels help with ghost popping? I went from Indies and now I'm ghost popping a lot on my Ventures, but they feel great when I'm not ghost popping. I think I have max 53 wheels now, got the red spitfire lock-ins wich are awsome.

small wheels can definitely help. i think the list of things that can help reduce ghost pop in no order are:

Shorter deck/trucks wheelbase
Longer tail/nose
Mellow kicks
Lower trucks
Smaller wheels
Lighter trucks/wheels/setup

worth mentioning a larger/wider setup is gonna be more prone to ghost pop due to weight alone.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oldbummer on April 23, 2020, 07:14:41 PM
Its that simple

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymFpHc0lfMs
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on April 24, 2020, 10:16:08 AM
impressive that he managed to drag that out into three minutes of content tbh
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Festivus on April 25, 2020, 04:49:00 AM
Anyone know if forged baseplates are easy to drill through? I want to shorten my wheelbase like Koston did on his ventures

This is what i plan on using: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00T2VJ93C/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00004YMEL/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

Not really sure if the cheap drill will get the job done or not, but i'm trying to keep this as cheap as possible.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Charlie Hustle on April 25, 2020, 07:12:13 AM
How is putting holes in your baseplates going to change the wheelbase? Honestly, why wouldn’t you just red till the drill the deck?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on April 25, 2020, 07:17:14 AM
Quote from: Charlie Hustle on April 25, 2020, 07:12:13 AM
How is putting holes in your baseplates going to change the wheelbase? Honestly, why wouldn’t you just red till the drill the deck?
I have a feeling Koston was given special trucks I don’t see him redrilling his baseplate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 25, 2020, 07:20:44 AM
Quote from: Charlie Hustle on April 25, 2020, 07:12:13 AM
How is putting holes in your baseplates going to change the wheelbase? Honestly, why wouldn’t you just red till the drill the deck?

You create an 8 hole baseplate and you can move each truck toward the center of the deck 1/4".  I'm assuming koston skates 50 decks per pair of trucks so its a one time drilling of trucks vs drilling 50 decks.

I'm sure he just had someone else do the work or even asked venture to do it for him

Caliber trucks do the same thing stock

(https://longboardenvy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/10004340_499465816917700_1879219384_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Charlie Hustle on April 25, 2020, 07:29:45 AM
For some reason I thought he stopped at 6 and my brain didn’t connect that there could be 2 extra holes in the front. Carry on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on April 25, 2020, 08:23:38 AM
Quote from: Festivus on April 25, 2020, 04:49:00 AM
Anyone know if forged baseplates are easy to drill through? I want to shorten my wheelbase like Koston did on his ventures

This is what i plan on using: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00T2VJ93C/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00004YMEL/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

Not really sure if the cheap drill will get the job done or not, but i'm trying to keep this as cheap as possible.

Aluminum is fairly easy to drill through, forged or cast. The bigger issue is doing it with a hand drill. The likelihood of skewing one of eight holes is high. If you don't have access to a drill press, use a center punch, drill a pilot hole, and go slow.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on April 25, 2020, 08:53:12 AM
That drill bit is not for metal. I don't know what size you need but make sure the bit you buy is for metal drilling.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/DEWALT-1-4-in-x-6-in-Titanium-Twist-Drill-Bit/50413724
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 26, 2020, 03:47:15 PM
Does anyone have experience with bushings bulging as a result of tightening down and not using cup washers?

I put a set of ace bushings (standard bottom, low top) in some ventures with flat washers on top and bottom. But the washers are actually a hair smaller in diameter than the bushings. That combined with the fact that I had to crank them down a little more than usually because they feel softer than stock bushings is making me a bit concerned about the bushings bulging out around the washer after a bit of use.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on April 27, 2020, 05:49:10 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on April 26, 2020, 03:47:15 PM
Does anyone have experience with bushings bulging as a result of tightening down and not using cup washers?

I put a set of ace bushings (standard bottom, low top) in some ventures with flat washers on top and bottom. But the washers are actually a hair smaller in diameter than the bushings. That combined with the fact that I had to crank them down a little more than usually because they feel softer than stock bushings is making me a bit concerned about the bushings bulging out around the washer after a bit of use.
I would just put the stock back on with the regular bottom washer and flat top washer unless they are blown out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Poochie on April 28, 2020, 01:07:54 AM
Really contemplating some ventures after seeing the love on here (and fully falling for their marketing, Bobby part and addition of Josh Paul haha) but just feel hesitant taking the plunge. I recently sized down from 8.25 to 8/8.06 but kept my ace 44's as they have plenty of life left in them but really want trucks that fit my board. 33's just seem so small after years of 44's though. Has anyone tried the switch from ace to venture? I was thinking of the 5.2's. Any help is appreciated!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 28, 2020, 01:34:03 AM
Quote from: Poochie on April 28, 2020, 01:07:54 AM
Really contemplating some ventures after seeing the love on here (and fully falling for their marketing, Bobby part and addition of Josh Paul haha) but just feel hesitant taking the plunge. I recently sized down from 8.25 to 8/8.06 but kept my ace 44's as they have plenty of life left in them but really want trucks that fit my board. 33's just seem so small after years of 44's though. Has anyone tried the switch from ace to venture? I was thinking of the 5.2's. Any help is appreciated!

44s aren’t too bad on 8-8.06, could be argued that fits just fine.
33s and 5.2....33s might ride a bit smaller, bringing the axle to axle wb in.
When I was younger, and better, I’d switch between venture and Indy with no problems.
ACE are different, I like em. I can get my loose ventures to turn really well, but they certainly don’t feel like ACE.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on April 28, 2020, 02:05:58 AM
So I got these new medium (95A) Thunder bushings, and they seem to be insanly effected by temperature...
Anyone got experience by this? They will literally become alot stiffer during a session.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: saltusnaut on April 28, 2020, 05:07:32 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on April 28, 2020, 02:05:58 AM
So I got these new medium (95A) Thunder bushings, and they seem to be insanly effected by temperature...
Anyone got experience by this? They will literally become alot stiffer during a session.

I've had that with the thunder standard blue translucent ones. They became unridable for me at temps that my buddies krux and indies was totally fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Slayer666 on April 28, 2020, 08:52:34 AM
boners in your thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 28, 2020, 03:04:00 PM
Quote from: Poochie on April 28, 2020, 01:07:54 AM
Really contemplating some ventures after seeing the love on here (and fully falling for their marketing, Bobby part and addition of Josh Paul haha) but just feel hesitant taking the plunge. I recently sized down from 8.25 to 8/8.06 but kept my ace 44's as they have plenty of life left in them but really want trucks that fit my board. 33's just seem so small after years of 44's though. Has anyone tried the switch from ace to venture? I was thinking of the 5.2's. Any help is appreciated!

I switched. 44 to 5.6 I moved down from 8.5 to 8.25.

It was kinda rough at first. Now my truck is broken in I can't tell the difference until I step back on aces.

These are my favorite trucks it seems around this size.

I would recommend that you use a Bones med top w/o a washer for a few sessions before trying to break in the stock top. Especially if you was riding loose aces.

It's like a half inch wb change and it's fun fighting your way through the change.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on April 28, 2020, 05:32:10 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on April 28, 2020, 03:04:00 PM
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Really contemplating some ventures after seeing the love on here (and fully falling for their marketing, Bobby part and addition of Josh Paul haha) but just feel hesitant taking the plunge. I recently sized down from 8.25 to 8/8.06 but kept my ace 44's as they have plenty of life left in them but really want trucks that fit my board. 33's just seem so small after years of 44's though. Has anyone tried the switch from ace to venture? I was thinking of the 5.2's. Any help is appreciated!
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I switched. 44 to 5.6 I moved down from 8.5 to 8.25.

It was kinda rough at first. Now my truck is broken in I can't tell the difference until I step back on aces.

These are my favorite trucks it seems around this size.

I would recommend that you use a Bones med top w/o a washer for a few sessions before trying to break in the stock top. Especially if you was riding loose aces.

It's like a half inch wb change and it's fun fighting your way through the change.

I irrationally setup 2 xmas completes, save for one old set of swiss 6, and have findings to share...

First  setup was a WKND 8.5 on 6.1's and blah blah blah.  I love the 6.1's!  Turning doesn't FEEL like Ace's, but is totally fine.  I've actually tightened them a hair since breaking them in because I'm a poosey.

I'm still breaking in the hangers with grind, and I totally feel the comments about them feeling rough on concrete.  I haven't been able to hit skatepark coping/angle iron with them, but I think it will be WAY easier and also help getting them worn in.

Next setup was an 8.25 Quasi w/ 5.6's.  I wish I would have gotten the 5.8's...  The 1/8" clearance between wheels and rails feels less stable to me.  I've ridden 8.25 decks on 8.5 trucks with good results.

The madness twist?

Running conicals on my 8.5 setups and classics on the 8.25.  I hate myself...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 28, 2020, 07:13:33 PM
Quote from: jamersonbass on April 28, 2020, 05:32:10 PM
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Really contemplating some ventures after seeing the love on here (and fully falling for their marketing, Bobby part and addition of Josh Paul haha) but just feel hesitant taking the plunge. I recently sized down from 8.25 to 8/8.06 but kept my ace 44's as they have plenty of life left in them but really want trucks that fit my board. 33's just seem so small after years of 44's though. Has anyone tried the switch from ace to venture? I was thinking of the 5.2's. Any help is appreciated!
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I switched. 44 to 5.6 I moved down from 8.5 to 8.25.

It was kinda rough at first. Now my truck is broken in I can't tell the difference until I step back on aces.

These are my favorite trucks it seems around this size.

I would recommend that you use a Bones med top w/o a washer for a few sessions before trying to break in the stock top. Especially if you was riding loose aces.

It's like a half inch wb change and it's fun fighting your way through the change.
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I irrationally setup 2 xmas completes, save for one old set of swiss 6, and have findings to share...

First  setup was a WKND 8.5 on 6.1's and blah blah blah.  I love the 6.1's!  Turning doesn't FEEL like Ace's, but is totally fine.  I've actually tightened them a hair since breaking them in because I'm a poosey.

I'm still breaking in the hangers with grind, and I totally feel the comments about them feeling rough on concrete.  I haven't been able to hit skatepark coping/angle iron with them, but I think it will be WAY easier and also help getting them worn in.

Next setup was an 8.25 Quasi w/ 5.6's.  I wish I would have gotten the 5.8's...  The 1/8" clearance between wheels and rails feels less stable to me.  I've ridden 8.25 decks on 8.5 trucks with good results.

The madness twist?

Running conicals on my 8.5 setups and classics on the 8.25.  I hate myself...
same. I prefer the 101a classic now it's down to like 54 53
 over the both sets of conical full 99s. I like round edges I guess
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chris. on April 28, 2020, 07:38:30 PM
I rode Aces for about a year. Mainly on 55's with a little bit of time spent on 44s. I've been skating Ventures since December, 5.8 and 6.1.  I did shorten up my wheelbase from 14.5 to 14.25.

I have stock bushings with flat top washers on both, kingpin nut basically flush. My bushings are nice and broken in by now and they both feel very nice. As mentioned, they don't feel like Ace but I don't feel like I've lost anything at all. I can lean into it and hit a nice sharp turn.

The 5.8 on an 8.25 DOA board feels very comfortable. Great all-around set-up.  My 6.1 are on a mellow, egg shaped deck with a sub 14 wb and it feels GREAT. It's all I want to ride right now.

I just got another set of 5.8 recently and I'm going to break them in totally stock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 28, 2020, 08:08:43 PM
Quote from: chris. on April 28, 2020, 07:38:30 PM
I rode Aces for about a year. Mainly on 55's with a little bit of time spent on 44s. I've been skating Ventures since December, 5.8 and 6.1.  I did shorten up my wheelbase from 14.5 to 14.25.

I have stock bushings with flat top washers on both, kingpin nut basically flush. My bushings are nice and broken in by now and they both feel very nice. As mentioned, they don't feel like Ace but I don't feel like I've lost anything at all. I can lean into it and hit a nice sharp turn.

The 5.8 on an 8.25 DOA board feels very comfortable. Great all-around set-up.  My 6.1 are on a mellow, egg shaped deck with a sub 14 wb and it feels GREAT. It's all I want to ride right now.

I just got another set of 5.8 recently and I'm going to break them in totally stock.

Sub 14” wb you say?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on April 28, 2020, 08:31:25 PM
Quote from: chris. on April 28, 2020, 07:38:30 PM
I rode Aces for about a year. Mainly on 55's with a little bit of time spent on 44s. I've been skating Ventures since December, 5.8 and 6.1.  I did shorten up my wheelbase from 14.5 to 14.25.

I have stock bushings with flat top washers on both, kingpin nut basically flush. My bushings are nice and broken in by now and they both feel very nice. As mentioned, they don't feel like Ace but I don't feel like I've lost anything at all. I can lean into it and hit a nice sharp turn.

The 5.8 on an 8.25 DOA board feels very comfortable. Great all-around set-up.  My 6.1 are on a mellow, egg shaped deck with a sub 14 wb and it feels GREAT. It's all I want to ride right now.

I just got another set of 5.8 recently and I'm going to break them in totally stock.

Spent much time skating transition with em?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chris. on April 28, 2020, 08:48:32 PM
Not much time on transition unfortunately.

And the short deck is a TFunk deck with a 13.875 WB. I have seriously never popped better feeling ollies in my life than on that set-up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on April 29, 2020, 12:12:45 AM
Quote from: chris. on April 28, 2020, 08:48:32 PM
Not much time on transition unfortunately.

And the short deck is a TFunk deck with a 13.875 WB. I have seriously never popped better feeling ollies in my life than on that set-up.

Tell me tell me

What baker t funk size or series is it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Charlie Hustle on April 29, 2020, 01:20:45 AM
Quote from: Ok on April 28, 2020, 08:08:43 PM
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I rode Aces for about a year. Mainly on 55's with a little bit of time spent on 44s. I've been skating Ventures since December, 5.8 and 6.1.  I did shorten up my wheelbase from 14.5 to 14.25.

I have stock bushings with flat top washers on both, kingpin nut basically flush. My bushings are nice and broken in by now and they both feel very nice. As mentioned, they don't feel like Ace but I don't feel like I've lost anything at all. I can lean into it and hit a nice sharp turn.

The 5.8 on an 8.25 DOA board feels very comfortable. Great all-around set-up.  My 6.1 are on a mellow, egg shaped deck with a sub 14 wb and it feels GREAT. It's all I want to ride right now.

I just got another set of 5.8 recently and I'm going to break them in totally stock.
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Sub 14” wb you say?
The girl 9.2 egg thing is like a 13.8” wb.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chris. on April 29, 2020, 03:57:50 AM
Quote from: rob on April 29, 2020, 12:12:45 AM
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Not much time on transition unfortunately.

And the short deck is a TFunk deck with a 13.875 WB. I have seriously never popped better feeling ollies in my life than on that set-up.
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Tell me tell me

What baker t funk size or series is it?

From the Mindbend series from 2019. I’ve seen similarly shaped TFunk decks since then but the dimensions were always a little bigger all the way around. 

The 9.2 Girl shape is on my radar if I want to skate something similar.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 29, 2020, 07:46:48 AM
Quote from: Charlie Hustle on April 29, 2020, 01:20:45 AM
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I rode Aces for about a year. Mainly on 55's with a little bit of time spent on 44s. I've been skating Ventures since December, 5.8 and 6.1.  I did shorten up my wheelbase from 14.5 to 14.25.

I have stock bushings with flat top washers on both, kingpin nut basically flush. My bushings are nice and broken in by now and they both feel very nice. As mentioned, they don't feel like Ace but I don't feel like I've lost anything at all. I can lean into it and hit a nice sharp turn.

The 5.8 on an 8.25 DOA board feels very comfortable. Great all-around set-up.  My 6.1 are on a mellow, egg shaped deck with a sub 14 wb and it feels GREAT. It's all I want to ride right now.

I just got another set of 5.8 recently and I'm going to break them in totally stock.
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Sub 14” wb you say?
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The girl 9.2 egg thing is like a 13.8” wb.

Sounds like it spins and flips like a dream.

I bet I can Merl allin twist both ways on it if I had some like buttered tablets size wheels and some oldish thunders with the meaty Hangers   

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 29, 2020, 11:50:41 AM
anyone have mini logo bushings to compare to the height of ace bottoms?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on April 29, 2020, 12:02:59 PM
Quote from: off on April 29, 2020, 11:50:41 AM
anyone have mini logo bushings to compare to the height of ace bottoms?

Both measure .53" with calipers.


EDIT:
Mini Logo (Soft Green) : .53"
Ace (white out of a 66) : .53"
Thunder (red 90a aftermarket) : .55"
Indy (blue 92a conical) : .545"
Bones (black hard) : .55"

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 29, 2020, 12:56:28 PM
Quote from: backinaction on April 29, 2020, 12:02:59 PM
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anyone have mini logo bushings to compare to the height of ace bottoms?
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Both measure .53" with calipers.


EDIT:
Mini Logo (Soft Green) : .53"
Ace (white out of a 66) : .53"
Thunder (red 90a aftermarket) : .55"
Indy (blue 92a conical) : .545"
Bones (black hard) : .55"
i owe you a gnarly. trying to find a bottom barrel bushing thats ace height, will go ML and see how they compare
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on April 29, 2020, 03:09:42 PM
Quote from: off on April 29, 2020, 12:56:28 PM
i owe you a gnarly. trying to find a bottom barrel bushing thats ace height, will go ML and see how they compare

I am running a Mini Logo medium in my Ace 66s.  The stock bushing kept popping over the washer before I even left the garage.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lashes2ashes on April 29, 2020, 09:00:50 PM
Though I would ask here, since normally you guys would be in the know! Any one got a line on some Indy titanium for a 8.5? I have checked every single online skate shop in Oregon and I can’t find anything! Was planing to size up from my normal 139 on a 8.125 but looks like that’s not going to happen for a while.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 29, 2020, 09:59:57 PM
Quote from: backinaction on April 29, 2020, 03:09:42 PM
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i owe you a gnarly. trying to find a bottom barrel bushing thats ace height, will go ML and see how they compare
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I am running a Mini Logo medium in my Ace 66s.  The stock bushing kept popping over the washer before I even left the garage.
how long does it take to break in? i love the ace bottoms im running but i like it if they were a bit harder/not go to mush as quick
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Poochie on April 30, 2020, 01:01:26 AM
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Really contemplating some ventures after seeing the love on here (and fully falling for their marketing, Bobby part and addition of Josh Paul haha) but just feel hesitant taking the plunge. I recently sized down from 8.25 to 8/8.06 but kept my ace 44's as they have plenty of life left in them but really want trucks that fit my board. 33's just seem so small after years of 44's though. Has anyone tried the switch from ace to venture? I was thinking of the 5.2's. Any help is appreciated!
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I switched. 44 to 5.6 I moved down from 8.5 to 8.25.

It was kinda rough at first. Now my truck is broken in I can't tell the difference until I step back on aces.

These are my favorite trucks it seems around this size.

I would recommend that you use a Bones med top w/o a washer for a few sessions before trying to break in the stock top. Especially if you was riding loose aces.

It's like a half inch wb change and it's fun fighting your way through the change.
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I irrationally setup 2 xmas completes, save for one old set of swiss 6, and have findings to share...

First  setup was a WKND 8.5 on 6.1's and blah blah blah.  I love the 6.1's!  Turning doesn't FEEL like Ace's, but is totally fine.  I've actually tightened them a hair since breaking them in because I'm a poosey.

I'm still breaking in the hangers with grind, and I totally feel the comments about them feeling rough on concrete.  I haven't been able to hit skatepark coping/angle iron with them, but I think it will be WAY easier and also help getting them worn in.

Next setup was an 8.25 Quasi w/ 5.6's.  I wish I would have gotten the 5.8's...  The 1/8" clearance between wheels and rails feels less stable to me.  I've ridden 8.25 decks on 8.5 trucks with good results.

The madness twist?

Running conicals on my 8.5 setups and classics on the 8.25.  I hate myself...
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Thanks for all the help guys appreciate! I'm lucky that I work at a skate shop so could order a pair from the distributor where I live and the price isn't crazy. Really looking forward to trying them. Went for the 5.2s as I don't skate anything bigger than 8.125.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: schralp pal on April 30, 2020, 09:16:01 AM
How much pain will it be to go back to ace 44 after riding 149ti for the past 4 months? Always on an 8.25s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 30, 2020, 09:36:29 AM
Quote from: chris. on April 28, 2020, 08:48:32 PM
Not much time on transition unfortunately.

And the short deck is a TFunk deck with a 13.875 WB. I have seriously never popped better feeling ollies in my life than on that set-up.

Best ollie means most fun
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 30, 2020, 10:01:52 AM
Quote from: schralp pal on April 30, 2020, 09:16:01 AM
How much pain will it be to go back to ace 44 after riding 149ti for the past 4 months? Always on an 8.25s.

I go from standard 149s to 44s fairly frequently and it feels pretty effortless.

I know the ti give a little longer WB than standard, but height-wise they're a little closer to Aces due to the forged plates. That being said, I never really notice the height difference...the big change is how much faster the board rotates on Aces, but I can get used to it in a session or so.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on April 30, 2020, 10:02:59 AM
Quote from: schralp pal on April 30, 2020, 09:16:01 AM
How much pain will it be to go back to ace 44 after riding 149ti for the past 4 months? Always on an 8.25s.

Painless until the baseplate breaks or axle bends and you're far away from home
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: schralp pal on April 30, 2020, 10:47:04 AM
Thanks I think the faster rotation is what I’m looking for but was worried about the extra weight restricting my pop - I need all the help I can get
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on May 01, 2020, 09:48:34 AM
Quote from: schralp pal on April 30, 2020, 09:16:01 AM
How much pain will it be to go back to ace 44 after riding 149ti for the past 4 months? Always on an 8.25s.

I'm believe that once you've mastered a truck it's always going to be in arsenal.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on May 01, 2020, 11:40:01 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B_priLvnsZ9/?igshid=5rpl9j06q8fk
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: schralp pal on May 01, 2020, 01:40:53 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on May 01, 2020, 09:48:34 AM
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How much pain will it be to go back to ace 44 after riding 149ti for the past 4 months? Always on an 8.25s.
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I'm believe that once you've mastered a truck it's always going to in arsenal.

Going back to ace was like riding a bike. I still think indys are more surfy with the smoother turn
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shawngreg on May 01, 2020, 02:13:07 PM
i knew Spencer got on Indy, but when was that?  he was repping Venture pretty hard a few months ago
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on May 01, 2020, 05:16:50 PM
Quote from: schralp pal on May 01, 2020, 01:40:53 PM
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How much pain will it be to go back to ace 44 after riding 149ti for the past 4 months? Always on an 8.25s.
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I'm believe that once you've mastered a truck it's always going to in arsenal.
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Going back to ace was like riding a bike. I still think indys are more surfy with the smoother turn

I like the way I can slash on the ace. Especially in a corner pocket. Whip a sharp fast carve on the tiles.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on May 01, 2020, 05:38:04 PM
As a truck nerd and a someone who surfs a lot, I am really curious about what people think they mean when they say a truck is 'surfy?'
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: schralp pal on May 01, 2020, 05:49:18 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on May 01, 2020, 05:38:04 PM
As a truck nerd and a someone who surfs a lot, I am really curious about what people think they mean when they say a truck is 'surfy?'

I surf better than most and I skate a lot too, so for me Indy has a smooth carve that allows you to make some
Nice s-turns and gain speed like a long drawn out bottom turn, whereas ace turns as if you are dropping into the wave only so you can make a fast arc off the bottom to do a more vertical turn off the top. Probably all in my head.

So when I say surfy I mean smooth s-turns.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on May 01, 2020, 05:50:59 PM
Quote from: schralp pal on May 01, 2020, 05:49:18 PM
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As a truck nerd and a someone who surfs a lot, I am really curious about what people think they mean when they say a truck is 'surfy?'
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I surf better than most and I skate a lot too, so for me Indy has a smooth carve that allows you to make some
Nice s-turns and gain speed like a long drawn out bottom turn, whereas ace turns as if you are dropping into the wave only so you can make a fast arc off the bottom to do a more vertical turn off the top. Probably all in my head.

So when I say surfy I mean smooth s-turns.

That was a good description.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on May 01, 2020, 06:31:11 PM
Quote from: schralp pal on May 01, 2020, 05:49:18 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on May 01, 2020, 05:38:04 PM
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As a truck nerd and a someone who surfs a lot, I am really curious about what people think they mean when they say a truck is 'surfy?'
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I surf better than most and I skate a lot too, so for me Indy has a smooth carve that allows you to make some
Nice s-turns and gain speed like a long drawn out bottom turn, whereas ace turns as if you are dropping into the wave only so you can make a fast arc off the bottom to do a more vertical turn off the top. Probably all in my head.

So when I say surfy I mean smooth s-turns.

I like pondering the connection. I suppose you could relate trucks to fin configurations and how a single fin vs thruster vs twin fin or quad fin influence drive and response.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: schralp pal on May 01, 2020, 06:45:32 PM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on May 01, 2020, 06:31:11 PM
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As a truck nerd and a someone who surfs a lot, I am really curious about what people think they mean when they say a truck is 'surfy?'
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I surf better than most and I skate a lot too, so for me Indy has a smooth carve that allows you to make some
Nice s-turns and gain speed like a long drawn out bottom turn, whereas ace turns as if you are dropping into the wave only so you can make a fast arc off the bottom to do a more vertical turn off the top. Probably all in my head.

So when I say surfy I mean smooth s-turns.
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I like pondering the connection. I suppose you could relate trucks to fin configurations and how a single fin vs thruster vs twin fin or quad fin influence drive and response.

And thunders are like an ultra performance low volume Shortboard that allows you to put your board any where on the wave as long as you have the skill to get it there - haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on May 01, 2020, 06:59:23 PM
Quote from: schralp pal on May 01, 2020, 05:49:18 PM
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As a truck nerd and a someone who surfs a lot, I am really curious about what people think they mean when they say a truck is 'surfy?'
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I surf better than most and I skate a lot too, so for me Indy has a smooth carve that allows you to make some
Nice s-turns and gain speed like a long drawn out bottom turn, whereas ace turns as if you are dropping into the wave only so you can make a fast arc off the bottom to do a more vertical turn off the top. Probably all in my head.

So when I say surfy I mean smooth s-turns.

This is accurate as fuck and thank you for articulating it because I could never quite put it into words. When I skate Indys I feel like my carves are forced to be smooth turns that start from the bottom of the transition and require thinking ahead while sticking to a line. Whereas the Aces feel much more forgiving since as you said, you can make a nice snappy turn off the top, it's probably why i find bowls with vert easier on Aces
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DarkPools on May 01, 2020, 08:41:05 PM
Quote from: schralp pal on May 01, 2020, 05:49:18 PM
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As a truck nerd and a someone who surfs a lot, I am really curious about what people think they mean when they say a truck is 'surfy?'
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I surf better than most and I skate a lot too, so for me Indy has a smooth carve that allows you to make some
Nice s-turns and gain speed like a long drawn out bottom turn, whereas ace turns as if you are dropping into the wave only so you can make a fast arc off the bottom to do a more vertical turn off the top. Probably all in my head.

So when I say surfy I mean smooth s-turns.

THIS. I’ve never surfed but this description sums up how I feel when I skate with indys and try to describe it to people. Stable, flows, but responsive.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DarkPools on May 01, 2020, 09:08:30 PM
I go back and forth between 149 Indy standards and hollows. I usually try to keep the height of 55m at all times.
I’ll occasionally swap baseplates around to achieve this and rotate a couple sets to break them in easier.
Bushings are either 90 mediums or a combo of 90 on bottom with a 78 super soft on top. Top and bottom washers also.

Right now: Indy 149 hollow axle and kingpin, but with a standard baseplate. Top and bottom washers with 90 bottom cylinder bushings and 78 top bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on May 01, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
For someone who mostly goes between Ace and Thunder I have to say I'm really enjoying Indy's right now. I've been skating some Stage 8 146s and Stage 11 159s. Both with Made in USA stamps, both with 88a aftermarkets.... Still waiting for an Ace between 44 and 55... its going to be a long one, I fear...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 02, 2020, 07:50:23 AM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on May 01, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
For someone who mostly goes between Ace and Thunder I have to say I'm really enjoying Indy's right now. I've been skating some Stage 8 146s and Stage 11 159s. Both with Made in USA stamps, both with 88a aftermarkets.... Still waiting for an Ace between 44 and 55... its going to be a long one, I fear...

Are the stage 8 the old 52mm height? As mentioned I oscillate between Indy and Ace, but I've been very into the mid height of the Aces lately.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on May 02, 2020, 08:53:52 AM
They could be. They are a little bit lower than Stage 11s from what I can tell by eyeballing. Closer to an Ace height.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on May 02, 2020, 09:35:02 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on May 02, 2020, 07:50:23 AM
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For someone who mostly goes between Ace and Thunder I have to say I'm really enjoying Indy's right now. I've been skating some Stage 8 146s and Stage 11 159s. Both with Made in USA stamps, both with 88a aftermarkets.... Still waiting for an Ace between 44 and 55... its going to be a long one, I fear...
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Are the stage 8 the old 52mm height? As mentioned I oscillate between Indy and Ace, but I've been very into the mid height of the Aces lately.

I get that there is NO market for this, buuuuuuuut it’d be so sick if Indy had not burned their bridges to the ground with ermico, and had some ‘foundry select’ esque program where they re issued old trucks, made in the usa. I mean fuck, a stage 8 would be rad to buy, and not from some collector that is selling it for the lo $237.65 on eBay.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 02, 2020, 09:45:11 AM
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For someone who mostly goes between Ace and Thunder I have to say I'm really enjoying Indy's right now. I've been skating some Stage 8 146s and Stage 11 159s. Both with Made in USA stamps, both with 88a aftermarkets.... Still waiting for an Ace between 44 and 55... its going to be a long one, I fear...
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Are the stage 8 the old 52mm height? As mentioned I oscillate between Indy and Ace, but I've been very into the mid height of the Aces lately.
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I get that there is NO market for this, buuuuuuuut it’d be so sick if Indy had not burned their bridges to the ground with ermico, and had some ‘foundry select’ esque program where they re issued old trucks, made in the usa. I mean fuck, a stage 8 would be rad to buy, and not from some collector that is selling it for the lo $237.65 on eBay.

It would be very sick. Especially with their current aftermarket bushings.

I am feeling pretty committed to Ace ATM, I just hope the next stage is the same height.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on May 02, 2020, 09:57:37 AM
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For someone who mostly goes between Ace and Thunder I have to say I'm really enjoying Indy's right now. I've been skating some Stage 8 146s and Stage 11 159s. Both with Made in USA stamps, both with 88a aftermarkets.... Still waiting for an Ace between 44 and 55... its going to be a long one, I fear...
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Are the stage 8 the old 52mm height? As mentioned I oscillate between Indy and Ace, but I've been very into the mid height of the Aces lately.
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I get that there is NO market for this, buuuuuuuut it’d be so sick if Indy had not burned their bridges to the ground with ermico, and had some ‘foundry select’ esque program where they re issued old trucks, made in the usa. I mean fuck, a stage 8 would be rad to buy, and not from some collector that is selling it for the lo $237.65 on eBay.
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It would be very sick. Especially with their current aftermarket bushings.

I am feeling pretty committed to Ace ATM, I just hope the next stage is the same height.

ACE are really dope, maybe I should try 33s again. 44s and my weak weak legs have never really gotten along, just a real struggle.
I’ve also noticed that my ‘pop’ is significantly better if I use these 56s I have, when I was trying them with my 51s I was ground bound.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on May 02, 2020, 05:24:25 PM
would you guys go venture or thunder for a real with a 14.00 wb?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on May 02, 2020, 05:40:19 PM
Quote from: pointandclick on May 02, 2020, 05:24:25 PM
would you guys go venture or thunder for a real with a 14.00 wb?
depends on what thunders really. thunder ti add almost 3.4 to the wb which is the same as venture forged. I've been riding thunder forged on all my setups and havent had any issues id blame the trucks for
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on May 02, 2020, 06:00:54 PM
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would you guys go venture or thunder for a real with a 14.00 wb?
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depends on what thunders really. thunder ti add almost 3.4 to the wb which is the same as venture forged. I've been riding thunder forged on all my setups and havent had any issues id blame the trucks for
147 hi thunder ti hanger/team baseplates, vs 5.25 hi forged venture hollows
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on May 02, 2020, 07:31:26 PM
Quote from: pointandclick on May 02, 2020, 06:00:54 PM
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would you guys go venture or thunder for a real with a 14.00 wb?
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depends on what thunders really. thunder ti add almost 3.4 to the wb which is the same as venture forged. I've been riding thunder forged on all my setups and havent had any issues id blame the trucks for
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147 hi thunder ti hanger/team baseplates, vs 5.25 hi forged venture hollows
im biased but then again i never tried venture forged. personally i would take the thunders but as far as i know, you cant go wrong with either
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on May 02, 2020, 08:34:23 PM
Quote from: pointandclick on May 02, 2020, 06:00:54 PM
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would you guys go venture or thunder for a real with a 14.00 wb?
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depends on what thunders really. thunder ti add almost 3.4 to the wb which is the same as venture forged. I've been riding thunder forged on all my setups and havent had any issues id blame the trucks for
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147 hi thunder ti hanger/team baseplates, vs 5.25 hi forged venture hollows

What's the ground like where you skate? I got to ride a big wheel being outside the city. I've found that I can't ride a wheel bigger that 53 with a loose thunder unless i have a riser
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on May 02, 2020, 08:35:41 PM
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would you guys go venture or thunder for a real with a 14.00 wb?
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depends on what thunders really. thunder ti add almost 3.4 to the wb which is the same as venture forged. I've been riding thunder forged on all my setups and havent had any issues id blame the trucks for
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147 hi thunder ti hanger/team baseplates, vs 5.25 hi forged venture hollows
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What's the ground like where you skate? I got to ride a big wheel being outside the city. I've found that I can't ride a wheel bigger that 53 with a loose thunder unless i have a riser


Excellent point.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on May 02, 2020, 08:42:55 PM
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would you guys go venture or thunder for a real with a 14.00 wb?
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depends on what thunders really. thunder ti add almost 3.4 to the wb which is the same as venture forged. I've been riding thunder forged on all my setups and havent had any issues id blame the trucks for
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147 hi thunder ti hanger/team baseplates, vs 5.25 hi forged venture hollows
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What's the ground like where you skate? I got to ride a big wheel being outside the city. I've found that I can't ride a wheel bigger that 53 with a loose thunder unless i have a riser
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Excellent point.
easily. need these 53 conical fulls to wear down already. got really good pop on 50mm radial slims

plus no wheelbite
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on May 03, 2020, 02:28:37 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on May 02, 2020, 07:50:23 AM
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For someone who mostly goes between Ace and Thunder I have to say I'm really enjoying Indy's right now. I've been skating some Stage 8 146s and Stage 11 159s. Both with Made in USA stamps, both with 88a aftermarkets.... Still waiting for an Ace between 44 and 55... its going to be a long one, I fear...
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Are the stage 8 the old 52mm height? As mentioned I oscillate between Indy and Ace, but I've been very into the mid height of the Aces lately.

Stage 8's are right around 53mm tall. And the wheelbase sits right in between Stage 11's and Ace. If I can find the pics I have comparing Stage 8 and 11's I'll upload them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: smellsdead on May 03, 2020, 06:51:09 AM
figured id drop this here and see if anyone has had this happen to them

(https://i.postimg.cc/m2s4b1RD/269-D8-FAE-5971-4082-93-B9-4042159839-F8.jpg)

was tinkering with some (used maybe once?) thunders i got - 149ti
been riding indys for a hot minute but a tasty classified has me swimming in trucks at the moment.
i wasnt satisfied with the amount of wheelbite i was catching on these, so i put 1/8" risers on, didnt work, put bones hard in. still mushy turns and wheels hitting deck(53mm classic f4s). so i go to spin my bushings around and in the process of loosening the front truck, the nut jumped a thread or something and it got so fucking hard to spin a wrench on it. it re-threaded the kingpin rendering it useless. crazy right?
i emailed thunder and of course they got back to me within 15 minutes saying theyll send new ones when they can. classic dlxsf customer service.

i really didnt jive with the mushed turns but i hardly got a chance to fuck around with them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Poseur on May 03, 2020, 07:15:32 AM
Yup, you (or someone) cross-threaded the nut when it was put on the first time. When you went to loosen it, the kingpin stripped.

As a temp fix, you might be able to tighten it back with a LOT of force, but it will just strip the kingpin even more.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on May 03, 2020, 10:12:07 AM
That's why I hate messing with trucks once I've got them dialed. All my trucks currently have the kingpin nut grinded into the kingpin. If I changed bushings I might not be able to get the nut back on and then if I did it would never line up right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on May 03, 2020, 12:56:35 PM
Never happened to me.

I switched back to Thunder and was surprised how good the turning was once I broke the bushings in.

Someone also said on here that the bushings should be left stock tightness for a little while and I have to agree.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on May 03, 2020, 01:57:07 PM
could do this.

Take a nut that's thread is true put it on upside down and it will definitely get a metal on metal connection with that amount of thread.

Maybe little extra nylon lock stuff from the store. Hit it with a grinder if it hangs up.

It will be loose so I would use it as my front truck. The truck would definitely last me the duration.

I hate the mail
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on May 03, 2020, 02:55:14 PM
Quote from: smellsdead on May 03, 2020, 06:51:09 AM
figured id drop this here and see if anyone has had this happen to them

(https://i.postimg.cc/m2s4b1RD/269-D8-FAE-5971-4082-93-B9-4042159839-F8.jpg)

was tinkering with some (used maybe once?) thunders i got - 149ti
been riding indys for a hot minute but a tasty classified has me swimming in trucks at the moment.
i wasnt satisfied with the amount of wheelbite i was catching on these, so i put 1/8" risers on, didnt work, put bones hard in. still mushy turns and wheels hitting deck(53mm classic f4s). so i go to spin my bushings around and in the process of loosening the front truck, the nut jumped a thread or something and it got so fucking hard to spin a wrench on it. it re-threaded the kingpin rendering it useless. crazy right?
i emailed thunder and of course they got back to me within 15 minutes saying theyll send new ones when they can. classic dlxsf customer service.

i really didnt jive with the mushed turns but i hardly got a chance to fuck around with them.




had the same thing happen to a brand new set of hollow kingpin thunders. happened when i removed the nut from the factory.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lysdexia on May 03, 2020, 07:03:26 PM
that's pretty chewed up, but i think a 3/8" UNF die nut would probably repair that easily enough
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on May 04, 2020, 05:51:02 AM
Quote from: lysdexia on May 03, 2020, 07:03:26 PM
that's pretty chewed up, but i think a 3/8" UNF die nut would probably repair that easily enough

Yes, it will fix it so it will work, but it will miss a thread, which might not matter at all.

Die's is pretty essential tool for skaters... I re-thread every time I remove the wheels. And I also have spare nuts, incase they get too damaged from removal.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: EchoShadow on May 06, 2020, 09:29:06 AM
Quote from: Lashes2ashes on April 29, 2020, 09:00:50 PM
Though I would ask here, since normally you guys would be in the know! Any one got a line on some Indy titanium for a 8.5? I have checked every single online skate shop in Oregon and I can’t find anything! Was planing to size up from my normal 139 on a 8.125 but looks like that’s not going to happen for a while.

I know this is old but I have a lightly used set of Indy titanium 149s I could part with. Only 1 grind done on them on my butter bench with composite, can't even see marks on truck. Can post pics if interested.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on May 06, 2020, 09:40:05 AM
Anyone have secret info regarding the Indy mids with inverted kingpin or whatever it is?
They seem to only reply "soon" on insta...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 06, 2020, 09:48:46 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on May 06, 2020, 09:40:05 AM
Anyone have secret info regarding the Indy mids with inverted kingpin or whatever it is?
They seem to only reply "soon" on insta...

Those Mindys and the new ACEs are probably borked until late summer/fall I'm guessing, due to supply and manufacturing chains being disrupted via the virus; if I remember right ACE was pushing for spring (Indy probably as well).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on May 06, 2020, 09:59:46 AM
Finally got some 5.6’s. I always rode 5.2s on an 8.25 and it never bothered me, so I’m curious to see the difference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 06, 2020, 10:15:45 AM
Quote from: TheBoognish on May 06, 2020, 09:59:46 AM
Finally got some 5.6’s. I always rode 5.2s on an 8.25 and it never bothered me, so I’m curious to see the difference.

5.6s on an 8.125 (more like an 8.18) so the opposite - but rode 5.6s on 8.25" and really enjoyed it (tho I've tried to always run 8.25" trucks on 8.25" (and 8s on 8s and 8.5s on 8.5s).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: legion on May 06, 2020, 03:23:42 PM
Quote from: smellsdead on May 03, 2020, 06:51:09 AM
figured id drop this here and see if anyone has had this happen to them

(https://i.postimg.cc/m2s4b1RD/269-D8-FAE-5971-4082-93-B9-4042159839-F8.jpg)

was tinkering with some (used maybe once?) thunders i got - 149ti
been riding indys for a hot minute but a tasty classified has me swimming in trucks at the moment.
i wasnt satisfied with the amount of wheelbite i was catching on these, so i put 1/8" risers on, didnt work, put bones hard in. still mushy turns and wheels hitting deck(53mm classic f4s). so i go to spin my bushings around and in the process of loosening the front truck, the nut jumped a thread or something and it got so fucking hard to spin a wrench on it. it re-threaded the kingpin rendering it useless. crazy right?
i emailed thunder and of course they got back to me within 15 minutes saying theyll send new ones when they can. classic dlxsf customer service.

i really didnt jive with the mushed turns but i hardly got a chance to fuck around with them.
I know it's a kingpin..
In my experience a bolt like this is trash.
It will be next to impossible to get the nut to engage the second part of the threads, after that worn gap..
How far can you get the nut to thread on?
And it might not be just the threads were worn of, that part of the bolt may have stretched and weakened
Hit up DLX? Or bang out that kingpin
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dima on May 08, 2020, 01:53:49 AM
Anybody got some information on the new indy mids mostly regarding the height?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stets on May 08, 2020, 02:35:58 AM
So I got nerdy on some Thunder with a Grindking conversion. (Actually Krēpēr conversion technically?) A friend showed me the method, it involves installing a threaded 3/8-24 insert. You drill out the kingpin hole to a certain slightly larger size, thread it with a course tap for the teeth on the outside of the insert, and then epoxy set it. No need for a nut! Though you do have to put some threadlock liquid on the kingpin threads from time to time.

Been skating them for almost 2 years, favorite truck set-up I have skated. Clearance for days, even after hitting axle.

Thunder 149 Ti, switched to older cast baseplates early on, Krēpēr kingpin, recently replaced original shot bushings with Thunder 94a bushings and Riptide pivot cup.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49869113063_93dc0451cd_c.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49869952847_97944c85e2_c.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49869953407_6a134d85eb_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on May 08, 2020, 04:07:43 AM
Seeing worn in Thunders makes me want to try Thunders again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on May 08, 2020, 06:11:31 AM
Quote from: stets on May 08, 2020, 02:35:58 AM
So I got nerdy on some Thunder with a Grindking conversion. (Actually Krēpēr conversion technically?) A friend showed me the method, it involves installing a threaded 3/8-24 insert. You drill out the kingpin hole to a certain slightly larger size, thread it with a course tap for the teeth on the outside of the insert, and then epoxy set it. No need for a nut! Though you do have to put some threadlock liquid on the kingpin threads from time to time.

Been skating them for almost 2 years, favorite truck set-up I have skated. Clearance for days, even after hitting axle.

Thunder 149 Ti, switched to older cast baseplates early on, Krēpēr kingpin, recently replaced original shot bushings with Thunder 94a bushings and Riptide pivot cup.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49869113063_93dc0451cd_c.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49869952847_97944c85e2_c.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49869953407_6a134d85eb_c.jpg)

Damn that is quality.

Respect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on May 08, 2020, 01:50:01 PM
Quote from: stets on May 08, 2020, 02:35:58 AM
So I got nerdy on some Thunder with a Grindking conversion. (Actually Krēpēr conversion technically?) A friend showed me the method, it involves installing a threaded 3/8-24 insert. You drill out the kingpin hole to a certain slightly larger size, thread it with a course tap for the teeth on the outside of the insert, and then epoxy set it. No need for a nut! Though you do have to put some threadlock liquid on the kingpin threads from time to time.

Been skating them for almost 2 years, favorite truck set-up I have skated. Clearance for days, even after hitting axle.

Thunder 149 Ti, switched to older cast baseplates early on, Krēpēr kingpin, recently replaced original shot bushings with Thunder 94a bushings and Riptide pivot cup.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49869113063_93dc0451cd_c.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49869952847_97944c85e2_c.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49869953407_6a134d85eb_c.jpg)
fuck thats hot
whats the turn like with shorter kingpins compared to stock?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stets on May 08, 2020, 02:39:13 PM
Quote from: off on May 08, 2020, 01:50:01 PM
Quote from: stets on May 08, 2020, 02:35:58 AM
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So I got nerdy on some Thunder with a Grindking conversion. (Actually Krēpēr conversion technically?) A friend showed me the method, it involves installing a threaded 3/8-24 insert. You drill out the kingpin hole to a certain slightly larger size, thread it with a course tap for the teeth on the outside of the insert, and then epoxy set it. No need for a nut! Though you do have to put some threadlock liquid on the kingpin threads from time to time.

Been skating them for almost 2 years, favorite truck set-up I have skated. Clearance for days, even after hitting axle.

Thunder 149 Ti, switched to older cast baseplates early on, Krēpēr kingpin, recently replaced original shot bushings with Thunder 94a bushings and Riptide pivot cup.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49869113063_93dc0451cd_m.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49869952847_97944c85e2_m.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49869953407_6a134d85eb_m.jpg)
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fuck thats hot
whats the turn like with shorter kingpins compared to stock?

The actual kingpin length isn't changed by this, still the same "stack height" of bottom bushing cup, bottom bushing, hanger yolk area, and top bushing. So I think it turns just the same as the stock pairs of Thunders I skated for years before these.

The only thing shorter is the area above the top bushing... greater clearance on a surfy yet snappy turning truck I've always loved.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on May 08, 2020, 02:56:11 PM
Quote from: off on May 08, 2020, 01:50:01 PM
Quote from: stets on May 08, 2020, 02:35:58 AM
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So I got nerdy on some Thunder with a Grindking conversion. (Actually Krēpēr conversion technically?) A friend showed me the method, it involves installing a threaded 3/8-24 insert. You drill out the kingpin hole to a certain slightly larger size, thread it with a course tap for the teeth on the outside of the insert, and then epoxy set it. No need for a nut! Though you do have to put some threadlock liquid on the kingpin threads from time to time.

Been skating them for almost 2 years, favorite truck set-up I have skated. Clearance for days, even after hitting axle.

Thunder 149 Ti, switched to older cast baseplates early on, Krēpēr kingpin, recently replaced original shot bushings with Thunder 94a bushings and Riptide pivot cup.

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fuck thats hot
whats the turn like with shorter kingpins compared to stock?

I did this on Thunders with the krux pins a few years ago, doesn't make a difference except for kingpin clearance. and if you're not after kingpin clearance its defs not worth it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on May 08, 2020, 03:43:02 PM
i heard its a pain in the ass to do that with thunder forged baseplates and i dont really sorry about kingpin clearance atm so id have to pass on trying it personally.

functionality looks sick though, love to see broken in thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skart on May 08, 2020, 08:03:20 PM
169's on 8.75 with the newer top washer and riptide cups...
All I have, but I really want to go back to 44s on 8.25

Washer is almost too big/chunky but it totally stops wheelbite

Starting to manual up a chill hill, hopefully getting.. Progress
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on May 08, 2020, 08:08:19 PM
Quote from: Skart on May 08, 2020, 08:03:20 PM
169's on 8.75 with the newer top washer and riptide cups...
All I have, but I really want to go back to 44s on 8.25

Washer is almost too big/chunky but it totally stops wheelbite

Starting to manual up a chill hill, hopefully getting.. Progress

I think 8.25 and 44s is where I’m leaning/headed. Haven’t found the ‘one’, as far as decks go.
I really hope they don’t change 44s to 8.5”, cuz that seems wack.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on May 08, 2020, 08:45:42 PM
Quote from: Skart on May 08, 2020, 08:03:20 PM
169's on 8.75 with the newer top washer and riptide cups...
All I have, but I really want to go back to 44s on 8.25

Washer is almost too big/chunky but it totally stops wheelbite

Starting to manual up a chill hill, hopefully getting.. Progress
ok ok.. stock bushings? why new top washer?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skart on May 08, 2020, 09:35:54 PM
Word Ok, I've liked 44's on the 8.25 classic eagle just because that's the most legitimate board I can get locally. I like the size though with 51-52 classics. The most stable I've felt once I tighten up the aces.

All stock indy Jay, just the newest stock stuff when they switched away from the gummy/old bushings. For me at least, bought the trucks late 2019
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mbam003 on May 09, 2020, 12:21:56 AM
What's the size difference between Indy Stage 9/10 (USA made) and 11 stock bushings? Worried the modern aftermarkets conicals won't fit my 10s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 09, 2020, 07:42:48 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on May 08, 2020, 02:56:11 PM
Quote from: off on May 08, 2020, 01:50:01 PM
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Quote from: stets on May 08, 2020, 02:35:58 AM
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So I got nerdy on some Thunder with a Grindking conversion. (Actually Krēpēr conversion technically?) A friend showed me the method, it involves installing a threaded 3/8-24 insert. You drill out the kingpin hole to a certain slightly larger size, thread it with a course tap for the teeth on the outside of the insert, and then epoxy set it. No need for a nut! Though you do have to put some threadlock liquid on the kingpin threads from time to time.

Been skating them for almost 2 years, favorite truck set-up I have skated. Clearance for days, even after hitting axle.

Thunder 149 Ti, switched to older cast baseplates early on, Krēpēr kingpin, recently replaced original shot bushings with Thunder 94a bushings and Riptide pivot cup.

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fuck thats hot
whats the turn like with shorter kingpins compared to stock?
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I did this on Thunders with the krux pins a few years ago, doesn't make a difference except for kingpin clearance. and if you're not after kingpin clearance its defs not worth it.

I still run it and like it.  Clearance sucks on thunders and with the krux at least, not tough to do.  There isn't much meat to a thunder so I find you get close to the kingpin crazy fast.  Stuff like smiths too....it's nothing but truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: legion on May 09, 2020, 02:03:40 PM
Quote from: off on May 08, 2020, 03:43:02 PM
i heard its a pain in the ass to do that with thunder forged baseplates and i dont really sorry about kingpin clearance atm so id have to pass on trying it personally.

functionality looks sick though, love to see broken in thunders
I think the reason it's tougher for forged baseplates is cuz they're thinner. There isn't enough room in the void underneath the kingpin to completely fit the nut. Just need to grind the nut shorter. While keeping it square..

This threaded insert method eliminates that issue but to me it'd be more work overall. Drilling, tapping..
Stets. Did you use a helicoil or a timesert?
Did it look like a slinky or a solid tube with threads?
Rivet nut might be another option..

TBH I'd wanna do this with a jig to hold the kingpin angle.
How do you know it's straight left to right?
Or at the same 75* as the old kingpin?

There's also no nyloc with threaded BP. Could use a drop of liquid threadlock if it gets loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PeskOne on May 10, 2020, 04:09:53 AM
Quote from: TheBoognish on May 06, 2020, 09:59:46 AM
Finally got some 5.6’s. I always rode 5.2s on an 8.25 and it never bothered me, so I’m curious to see the difference.

I got 5.6 on 8 board, felt okay, but just started again after the summer, and had indy 8s on 8 board before and it felt somewhat better mostly because I didn't ghost pop, but that was probably just I wasn't used to Ventures. Now I got them on my Primitive 8.125 and I think I will never change trucks again. Last summer I experimented a lot with different trucks. Thunders were my mains when I skated the most. And before that, it was like any brand, first Indy, hated them, was just beginner, then like Grind king, then like Ventures. remember I had a pair of Element trucks that sucked too. Then I got blessed when I started skating Thunders and only rode them until last summer were I tried Indies in different sizes and sometimes switched to Thunders again. I was worried as hell buying Ventures 5.6 but now I don't want to skate anything else. I think I would do good on an 8 board with the 5.6 now too. But I'm thinking about trying out 8.25 again, but it's hard to find 8.25 with 14 wheelbase. I only ride 14 wheelbase.

Do you guys think 14 wheelbase makes a big difference if you switch to 14.25 wheelbase on Venture trucks? I'm scared to try, because I really like Ventures but only skated them on 14 wheelbase.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on May 10, 2020, 06:39:55 AM
Quote from: PeskOne on May 10, 2020, 04:09:53 AM
Quote from: TheBoognish on May 06, 2020, 09:59:46 AM
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Finally got some 5.6’s. I always rode 5.2s on an 8.25 and it never bothered me, so I’m curious to see the difference.
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I got 5.6 on 8 board, felt okay, but just started again after the summer, and had indy 8s on 8 board before and it felt somewhat better mostly because I didn't ghost pop, but that was probably just I wasn't used to Ventures. Now I got them on my Primitive 8.125 and I think I will never change trucks again. Last summer I experimented a lot with different trucks. Thunders were my mains when I skated the most. And before that, it was like any brand, first Indy, hated them, was just beginner, then like Grind king, then like Ventures. remember I had a pair of Element trucks that sucked too. Then I got blessed when I started skating Thunders and only rode them until last summer were I tried Indies in different sizes and sometimes switched to Thunders again. I was worried as hell buying Ventures 5.6 but now I don't want to skate anything else. I think I would do good on an 8 board with the 5.6 now too. But I'm thinking about trying out 8.25 again, but it's hard to find 8.25 with 14 wheelbase. I only ride 14 wheelbase.

Do you guys think 14 wheelbase makes a big difference if you switch to 14.25 wheelbase on Venture trucks? I'm scared to try, because I really like Ventures but only skated them on 14 wheelbase.

My personal experience is that wb, truck brand matching to certain deck, perfect witches brew etc etc, is all only really necessary once I got past a certain point. Once I go past 8” trucks shit needs to be specific
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sadnocomply on May 10, 2020, 08:10:32 AM
Plenty of people make 8.25 with 14 inch wheelbase, girl/chocolate, April/primitive, business & co just to name a few
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on May 10, 2020, 11:45:35 AM
I cant believe it... I broke another kingpin... Is Thunder a effin joke?
Both times I skated flatground, which I always do....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on May 10, 2020, 11:56:36 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on May 10, 2020, 11:45:35 AM
I cant believe it... I broke another kingpin... Is Thunder a effin joke?
Both times I skated flatground, which I always do....
what thunders? might want to take them off your hands if they are a size i ride
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on May 10, 2020, 04:17:26 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on May 10, 2020, 11:45:35 AM
I cant believe it... I broke another kingpin... Is Thunder a effin joke?
Both times I skated flatground, which I always do....

dont lose faith man, i had this happen but the pair they sent me to replace them has been going well for over a year. i ride 148s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ayo95 on May 10, 2020, 04:38:21 PM
Hey guys, looking to pickup some Venture 5.6s tomorrow and wanted to see how they would pair with a 8.25 deck. I like the stability from when a truck is bigger than the board but will it  feel that much different if I rock wider wheels? Working with a 8.25 DOA deck if that helps, thanks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 10, 2020, 07:38:13 PM
Quote from: Ayo95 on May 10, 2020, 04:38:21 PM
Hey guys, looking to pickup some Venture 5.6s tomorrow and wanted to see how they would pair with a 8.25 deck. I like the stability from when a truck is bigger than the board but will it feel that much different if I rock wider wheels? Working with a 8.25 DOA deck if that helps, thanks.

Like any other 8.25" truck, they will work just fine on an 8.25" deck.

Wider wheels might give you a [placebo] sense of greater stabilty?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on May 11, 2020, 03:32:05 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on May 10, 2020, 11:45:35 AM
I cant believe it... I broke another kingpin... Is Thunder a effin joke?
Both times I skated flatground, which I always do....

Hit up DLX support and send them pics of the breakage and they'll send you new ones. Dlx customer support is pretty fucking amazing to be honest. I lost a 147 titanium out of my own stupidity (it either fell out or was stolen from my book bag) and hit them up asking if there was a way to just buy a single replacement from them and since they were out of 147 titaniums they just sent me a pair of team raws instead. I basically got a free pair of trucks for being a dimwit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Echelon on May 11, 2020, 05:42:20 AM
Just bought a pair of 147 Thunders with the Team baseplates.
Would 53 mm wheels cause noticeable wheelbite? Planning on copping F4 99d Classics and saw a good deal but they were in 53 mm only.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on May 11, 2020, 05:53:46 AM
Quote from: Echelon on May 11, 2020, 05:42:20 AM
Just bought a pair of 147 Thunders with the Team baseplates.
Would 53 mm wheels cause noticeable wheelbite? Planning on copping F4 99d Classics and saw a good deal but they were in 53 mm only.

Should be fine at that size. It's when the truck get wider I've noticed a base plate is a big deal at 53 up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on May 11, 2020, 07:34:15 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on May 11, 2020, 03:32:05 AM
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I cant believe it... I broke another kingpin... Is Thunder a effin joke?
Both times I skated flatground, which I always do....
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Hit up DLX support and send them pics of the breakage and they'll send you new ones. Dlx customer support is pretty fucking amazing to be honest. I lost a 147 titanium out of my own stupidity (it either fell out or was stolen from my book bag) and hit them up asking if there was a way to just buy a single replacement from them and since they were out of 147 titaniums they just sent me a pair of team raws instead. I basically got a free pair of trucks for being a dimwit.


Yes, ive been in contact with them. But for obvious reasons, aka corona, they are not able to do anything about it yet. I dont live in US, so if they will ship new trucks to me, then that would be amazing service.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PeskOne on May 11, 2020, 07:51:19 AM
Quote from: Ayo95 on May 10, 2020, 04:38:21 PM
Hey guys, looking to pickup some Venture 5.6s tomorrow and wanted to see how they would pair with a 8.25 deck. I like the stability from when a truck is bigger than the board but will it  feel that much different if I rock wider wheels? Working with a 8.25 DOA deck if that helps, thanks.

Thanks for all the answers to my question guys!

They will pair perfectly with an 8.25. I currently have an 8.125 with my 5.6, and I just bought 50mm F4 tablets, the skinnies wheels out there pretty much and I feel they are as stable as before with my thicker wheels, actually like them more this way, but that's my personal preference :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on May 11, 2020, 10:20:44 AM
I'm riding Tinders now, and I have to say, they just feel like indy's to me. When I measured the angle of pop, it was pretty much the same too. Indy baseplate and thunder hangar. My indy hangars are 129...Ole trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: colinquinn on May 11, 2020, 10:32:22 AM
Are thunders cursed in some way? They're the only truck that's randomly tossed me at high speed multiple times (times where a pebble or something were out of the question). There's a lot I don't really like about the stage 11's, but they've never betrayed me like thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on May 11, 2020, 10:47:19 AM
Quote from: colinquinn on May 11, 2020, 10:32:22 AM
Are thunders cursed in some way? They're the only truck that's randomly tossed me at high speed multiple times (times where a pebble or something were out of the question). There's a lot I don't really like about the stage 11's, but they've never betrayed me like thunders.

Speed wobble? Wheel bite? How?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lukabrazi on May 11, 2020, 01:41:21 PM
some good truck madness conversation on the most recent nine club with frank gerwer
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on May 11, 2020, 02:00:22 PM
Hollow kingpin more prone to snap? As far as I can tell, they dont use any stronger metal or engineering to exactly make it stronger?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on May 11, 2020, 02:02:13 PM
Quote from: Lukabrazi on May 11, 2020, 01:41:21 PM
some good truck madness conversation on the most recent nine club with frank gerwer
do u have a timestamp?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 11, 2020, 03:07:10 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on May 11, 2020, 02:02:13 PM
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some good truck madness conversation on the most recent nine club with frank gerwer
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do u have a timestamp?

I skimmed around; they start going into @ 00:47:46
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: radcunt on May 11, 2020, 03:14:57 PM
Ive got some Indy 215s on the way to make a wide board, anyone know how the stock bushings go in indys these days? I’ve always ditched em for bones meds.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Poseur on May 11, 2020, 03:43:43 PM
Quote from: radcunt on May 11, 2020, 03:14:57 PM
Ive got some Indy 215s on the way to make a wide board, anyone know how the stock bushings go in indys these days? I’ve always ditched em for bones meds.

Got some new 169s a few weeks ago. The orange bushings were a fucking joke. I gave them a couple weeks to break in, but replaced them with Bones Hards (that's what I ride), and they were fucking magnificent! Indy's + bones 4 lyfe!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: weedgod94 on May 11, 2020, 03:56:43 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on May 11, 2020, 02:00:22 PM
Hollow kingpin more prone to snap? As far as I can tell, they dont use any stronger metal or engineering to exactly make it stronger?
hollow axles/kingpins are more likely to snap and less likely to bend than solid ones, its more about the shape than the materials. but im pretty sure the hollow ones are aluminum and the solid ones are steel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on May 11, 2020, 04:30:59 PM
Quote from: Lukabrazi on May 11, 2020, 01:41:21 PM
some good truck madness conversation on the most recent nine club with frank gerwer

Im watching that now.

I wish I had a few venture lo bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on May 11, 2020, 04:32:07 PM
Quote from: Uncle Poseur on May 11, 2020, 03:43:43 PM
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Ive got some Indy 215s on the way to make a wide board, anyone know how the stock bushings go in indys these days? I’ve always ditched em for bones meds.
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Got some new 169s a few weeks ago. The orange bushings were a fucking joke. I gave them a couple weeks to break in, but replaced them with Bones Hards (that's what I ride), and they were fucking magnificent! Indy's + bones 4 lyfe!
What were main complaints? I think my 169s were from the fall shipment and haven’t been terrible for me. How you think the bones hard compare to Indy black 94a?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Poseur on May 11, 2020, 05:00:43 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on May 11, 2020, 04:32:07 PM
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Ive got some Indy 215s on the way to make a wide board, anyone know how the stock bushings go in indys these days? I’ve always ditched em for bones meds.
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Got some new 169s a few weeks ago. The orange bushings were a fucking joke. I gave them a couple weeks to break in, but replaced them with Bones Hards (that's what I ride), and they were fucking magnificent! Indy's + bones 4 lyfe!
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What were main complaints? I think my 169s were from the fall shipment and haven’t been terrible for me. How you think the bones hard compare to Indy black 94a?

The stock Indy bushings felt too squishy for me. They had a really shitty rebound too. It may be personal taste, but the Bones bushings made life all good, without even breaking in (for me.)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 11, 2020, 05:44:32 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on May 11, 2020, 04:30:59 PM
Quote from: Lukabrazi on May 11, 2020, 01:41:21 PM
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some good truck madness conversation on the most recent nine club with frank gerwer
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Im watching that now.

I wish I had a few venture lo bushings.

Grab an old board and some old busing and sand'em down until you get the desired height.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on May 11, 2020, 05:58:49 PM
Wanted something softer for turning and threw some Doh-Doh’s. They were 95a and definitely harder than my stock bushings. Loosened my trucks more than usual and it feels good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 11, 2020, 07:30:09 PM
 ;D
Quote from: jay_nev on May 11, 2020, 04:32:07 PM
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Ive got some Indy 215s on the way to make a wide board, anyone know how the stock bushings go in indys these days? I’ve always ditched em for bones meds.
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Got some new 169s a few weeks ago. The orange bushings were a fucking joke. I gave them a couple weeks to break in, but replaced them with Bones Hards (that's what I ride), and they were fucking magnificent! Indy's + bones 4 lyfe!
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What were main complaints? I think my 169s were from the fall shipment and haven’t been terrible for me. How you think the bones hard compare to Indy black 94a?

New China Indy stock bushings and pivot cups are excellent. Aftermarket Indy blacks are amazing, though. I’d take those any day over Bones due to them inevitably breaking but Bones are still good performing bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on May 11, 2020, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 11, 2020, 07:30:09 PM
;D
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Ive got some Indy 215s on the way to make a wide board, anyone know how the stock bushings go in indys these days? I’ve always ditched em for bones meds.
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Got some new 169s a few weeks ago. The orange bushings were a fucking joke. I gave them a couple weeks to break in, but replaced them with Bones Hards (that's what I ride), and they were fucking magnificent! Indy's + bones 4 lyfe!
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What were main complaints? I think my 169s were from the fall shipment and haven’t been terrible for me. How you think the bones hard compare to Indy black 94a?
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New China Indy stock bushings and pivot cups are excellent. Aftermarket Indy blacks are amazing, though. I’d take those any day over Bones due to them inevitably breaking but Bones are still good performing bushings.


yeah, i'm betting those 169's were old stock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stets on May 11, 2020, 10:31:56 PM
Quote from: legion on May 09, 2020, 02:03:40 PM
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i heard its a pain in the ass to do that with thunder forged baseplates and i dont really sorry about kingpin clearance atm so id have to pass on trying it personally.

functionality looks sick though, love to see broken in thunders
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I think the reason it's tougher for forged baseplates is cuz they're thinner. There isn't enough room in the void underneath the kingpin to completely fit the nut. Just need to grind the nut shorter. While keeping it square..

This threaded insert method eliminates that issue but to me it'd be more work overall. Drilling, tapping..
Stets. Did you use a helicoil or a timesert?
Did it look like a slinky or a solid tube with threads?
Rivet nut might be another option..

TBH I'd wanna do this with a jig to hold the kingpin angle.
How do you know it's straight left to right?
Or at the same 75* as the old kingpin?

There's also no nyloc with threaded BP. Could use a drop of liquid threadlock if it gets loose.

I used one of these types of inserts: https://www.mcmaster.com/threaded-inserts/threaded-inserts-for-metal/ (https://www.mcmaster.com/threaded-inserts/threaded-inserts-for-metal/)

It's a lot of work, but has paid off considering how long I have skated these. My homie showed me that the shoulder of the baseplate, where the bottom washer sits, is flat and square to the kingpin hole, so we set it upside down on that and that kept the hole squared and true as we drilled it bigger in 3 steps, to reduce any chance of it drifting. Then thread with the outer course thread tap.

Yep, use blue threadlock on the kingpin. The threaded insert also had that threadlock red permanent stuff on it, so I added a little bit more too as I installed those. Also pinged the ends in the area with no internal thread to mechanically keep it in place a bit better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Echelon on May 12, 2020, 06:36:36 AM
Quote from: weedgod94 on May 11, 2020, 03:56:43 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on May 11, 2020, 02:00:22 PM
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Hollow kingpin more prone to snap? As far as I can tell, they dont use any stronger metal or engineering to exactly make it stronger?
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hollow axles/kingpins are more likely to snap and less likely to bend than solid ones, its more about the shape than the materials. but im pretty sure the hollow ones are aluminum and the solid ones are steel.

You could be right, however aluminum is softer/weaker than steel. Making a weaker construction with weaker material wouldn't be very logical from a durability standpoint.
I saw both aluminum and hardened steel from different sources (maybe different versions?).
Only way to be sure is probably to ask deluxe
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Echelon on May 12, 2020, 06:38:03 AM
Quote from: Echelon on May 12, 2020, 06:36:36 AM
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Hollow kingpin more prone to snap? As far as I can tell, they dont use any stronger metal or engineering to exactly make it stronger?
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hollow axles/kingpins are more likely to snap and less likely to bend than solid ones, its more about the shape than the materials. but im pretty sure the hollow ones are aluminum and the solid ones are steel.
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You could be right, however aluminum is softer/weaker than steel. Making a weaker construction with weaker material wouldn't be very logical from a durability standpoint.
I saw both aluminum and hardened steel from in the description different sources.
Some were aftermarket kingpins though (maybe different versions?).
Only way to be sure is probably to ask deluxe
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 12, 2020, 07:07:07 AM
Hollow axles are chromoly just like solid ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on May 12, 2020, 08:21:26 AM
Standard kingpin's should be better then. Hollow Kingpin's, or probably kingpin's in general, seems to not like sharp 180 kick turns.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on May 12, 2020, 09:36:22 AM
Quote from: weedgod94 on May 11, 2020, 03:56:43 PM

hollow axles/kingpins are more likely to snap and less likely to bend than solid ones, its more about the shape than the materials. but im pretty sure the hollow ones are aluminum and the solid ones are steel.

Nope.  They are all steel - hollow kingpins and axles.

Theeve had a titanium kingpin for a while on their TiKing trucks, but seem to have replaced that with steel.  I don't think anyone is doing a kingpin that isn't steel or hollow steel.

 Ti trucks have solid titanium axles - but not hollow.  All other trucks are steel or hollow steel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oldbummer on May 14, 2020, 09:43:43 AM
Man, conical bushings in 215''s was the best advice I ever got from this thread.  Big improvement.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tracerstracer on May 14, 2020, 09:49:12 AM
Aluminum kingpins. I legit lol. whatadummy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ayo95 on May 14, 2020, 06:01:14 PM
Does anybody here have experience with Indy forged hollows 149 vs Venture 5.8 hollows? Tryna see what would work best with a 14.25 wheelbase
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on May 14, 2020, 06:30:32 PM
Quote from: Ayo95 on May 14, 2020, 06:01:14 PM
Does anybody here have experience with Indy forged hollows 149 vs Venture 5.8 hollows? Tryna see what would work best with a 14.25 wheelbase

Tried some 5.8 hollows for a bit, my go-to's are 149 hollows (all on 14.25wb). It wasn't too extreme a difference to be honest. My back foot is in the pocket for pretty much everything so the Venture's felt a bit weird at first, I found my back foot going more towards the tip of tail to make things easier. But I got used to it. Ultimately the Indy's felt/feel more comfortable for me so I went back to them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ayo95 on May 14, 2020, 06:47:51 PM
Quote from: palelight on May 14, 2020, 06:30:32 PM
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Does anybody here have experience with Indy forged hollows 149 vs Venture 5.8 hollows? Tryna see what would work best with a 14.25 wheelbase
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Tried some 5.8 hollows for a bit, my go-to's are 149 hollows (all on 14.25wb). It wasn't too extreme a difference to be honest. My back foot is in the pocket for pretty much everything so the Venture's felt a bit weird at first, I found my back foot going more towards the tip of tail to make things easier. But I got used to it. Ultimately the Indy's felt/feel more comfortable for me so I went back to them.

Thanks, gonna go with the Indys
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Davethedavedave on May 14, 2020, 10:56:15 PM
Yes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on May 15, 2020, 06:01:09 AM
Quote from: Ayo95 on May 14, 2020, 06:01:14 PM
Does anybody here have experience with Indy forged hollows 149 vs Venture 5.8 hollows? Tryna see what would work best with a 14.25 wheelbase
By hollows you mean the V-Lights?
If yes I had both on a 8.5 with 14.25 wb and for sure I liked it way more on ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 15, 2020, 04:07:19 PM
On nine club frank confirmed that a thunder, is just a thunder....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on May 15, 2020, 04:20:43 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 15, 2020, 04:07:19 PM
On nine club frank confirmed that a thunder, is just a thunder....

I didn’t make it through all of that, but he also said that all of the sizes have the same geo, which isn’t really true. 147s are significantly lower than 148s and up
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on May 15, 2020, 05:35:08 PM
yeah I wonder if that's what they're gonna do going forward because I could've swore the 161s were higher than the 148-151 thunders too. either way really looking forward to grabbing a pair of regular cast thunder 149s because I loved the geo on the 148s, just a little small for me. hoping they're my end-all.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on May 15, 2020, 05:38:25 PM
pretty sure 148,149 and 151 are 52mm. and 143,145 and 147 are 49. cast baseplates that is.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: colinquinn on May 16, 2020, 06:01:48 AM
Quote from: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on May 11, 2020, 10:47:19 AM
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Are thunders cursed in some way? They're the only truck that's randomly tossed me at high speed multiple times (times where a pebble or something were out of the question). There's a lot I don't really like about the stage 11's, but they've never betrayed me like thunders.
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Speed wobble? Wheel bite? How?

I have a feeling thunders quick turn gets a little TOO quick at times.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on May 16, 2020, 06:59:01 AM
Quote from: colinquinn on May 16, 2020, 06:01:48 AM
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Are thunders cursed in some way? They're the only truck that's randomly tossed me at high speed multiple times (times where a pebble or something were out of the question). There's a lot I don't really like about the stage 11's, but they've never betrayed me like thunders.
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Speed wobble? Wheel bite? How?
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I have a feeling thunders quick turn gets a little TOO quick at times.
swap the conical bottom bushings for barrels and feel the difference. responsivenss is still there, but makes the turns super controlled and predictable
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on May 22, 2020, 04:27:14 AM
Indy hangars on Ace baseplates? Install downlows into my Aces and want to run 169s now... can I just switch hangars or should I just man up and smash the pin out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 22, 2020, 10:00:42 AM
Quote from: off on May 16, 2020, 06:59:01 AM
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Are thunders cursed in some way? They're the only truck that's randomly tossed me at high speed multiple times (times where a pebble or something were out of the question). There's a lot I don't really like about the stage 11's, but they've never betrayed me like thunders.
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Speed wobble? Wheel bite? How?
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I have a feeling thunders quick turn gets a little TOO quick at times.
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swap the conical bottom bushings for barrels and feel the difference. responsivenss is still there, but makes the turns super controlled and predictable

It’s crazy enough to work!

Quote from: TFUCKINA on May 15, 2020, 05:38:25 PM
pretty sure 148,149 and 151 are 52mm. and 143,145 and 147 are 49. cast baseplates that is.

I agree
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on May 22, 2020, 10:28:41 AM
Quote from: texasplant on May 22, 2020, 04:27:14 AM
Indy hangars on Ace baseplates? Install downlows into my Aces and want to run 169s now... can I just switch hangars or should I just man up and smash the pin out

I ran Indy hangers in Ace plates and they were successfully Acedependents with an Ace turn. Go for it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on May 22, 2020, 12:25:26 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on May 22, 2020, 10:28:41 AM
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Indy hangars on Ace baseplates? Install downlows into my Aces and want to run 169s now... can I just switch hangars or should I just man up and smash the pin out
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I ran Indy hangers in Ace plates and they were successfully Acedependents with an Ace turn. Go for it.

I've got indy hangers on ace plates on my zip zinger and its great, do it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on May 22, 2020, 12:39:19 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on May 22, 2020, 12:25:26 PM
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Indy hangars on Ace baseplates? Install downlows into my Aces and want to run 169s now... can I just switch hangars or should I just man up and smash the pin out
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I ran Indy hangers in Ace plates and they were successfully Acedependents with an Ace turn. Go for it.
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I've got indy hangers on ace plates on my zip zinger and its great, do it.

What are the disadvantages? Sounds rad
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on May 23, 2020, 07:59:55 AM
...And it happened again... Broke a 3rd kingpin with Thunders. Thats 3 kingpins in less then a year, skating flatground. Its not like i'm overweight either... Im 79kg
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 23, 2020, 08:07:59 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on May 23, 2020, 07:59:55 AM
...And it happened again... Broke a 3rd kingpin with Thunders. Thats 3 kingpins in less then a year, skating flatground. Its not like i'm overweight either... Im 79kg

Hollow or regs? Cast or Forged?

Might be time to move on bro...are  you doing the same trick when they break? Same skate spot? Is there any pattern?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solid bowlcut on May 23, 2020, 09:13:52 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on May 23, 2020, 07:59:55 AM
...And it happened again... Broke a 3rd kingpin with Thunders. Thats 3 kingpins in less then a year, skating flatground. Its not like i'm overweight either... Im 79kg
I've had the same problem when i skated Thunders. Also have broke a lot of hangers. All broke on flatground tricks so im kinda over Thunders at this point.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on May 23, 2020, 09:16:06 AM
Loosen up your trucks or use harder bushings. I’ve only broken one hollow kingpin in my life and I think it was because they were tight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on May 23, 2020, 09:18:28 AM
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...And it happened again... Broke a 3rd kingpin with Thunders. Thats 3 kingpins in less then a year, skating flatground. Its not like i'm overweight either... Im 79kg
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Hollow or regs? Cast or Forged?

Might be time to move on bro...are  you doing the same trick when they break? Same skate spot? Is there any pattern?

Forged Hollows. They seem to really dislike reverts/pivots, as they have all broken during lazy 180s, or sharp 180 kick turns. All have snapped at the same spot too.

I went ahead and bought Team Raw's today. Hope the regular kingpin can cope better.
I ride medium/loose trucks, with medium bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on May 23, 2020, 11:20:58 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on May 23, 2020, 07:59:55 AM
...And it happened again... Broke a 3rd kingpin with Thunders. Thats 3 kingpins in less then a year, skating flatground. Its not like i'm overweight either... Im 79kg
That's odd, how old are you if you don't mind me asking?
On my younger days I would snap like one kingpin every month if not more
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on May 23, 2020, 11:47:30 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on May 23, 2020, 09:18:28 AM
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...And it happened again... Broke a 3rd kingpin with Thunders. Thats 3 kingpins in less then a year, skating flatground. Its not like i'm overweight either... Im 79kg
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Hollow or regs? Cast or Forged?

Might be time to move on bro...are  you doing the same trick when they break? Same skate spot? Is there any pattern?
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Forged Hollows. They seem to really dislike reverts/pivots, as they have all broken during lazy 180s, or sharp 180 kick turns. All have snapped at the same spot too.

I went ahead and bought Team Raw's today. Hope the regular kingpin can cope better.
I ride medium/loose trucks, with medium bushings.

Couldn't hurt to contact DLX support and let them know about this
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on May 23, 2020, 11:50:55 AM
I'm 27.

It wouldent have been a problem if the kingpin was easy to remove or install. But this is not the case at all.
I'm actually shocked by how stupidly stuck they have jammed it, and ive worked as industrial mechanic, specificly with hydraulics for the oil industry. One should not require special tools to be able to remove a kingpin, or to install a new one.

@yourbreakfsat: Yes ive contacted them. They have not confirmed if I get a replacement. Duo to corona they are not able to ship anything for now, atleast.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on May 23, 2020, 01:55:38 PM
that sucks, hopefully they set you straight. dlx is the shit, but I've never had luck with their trucks, been eyeing up thunders too, though I know we wont get along.

starting to get near the axle on my aces, giving me anxiety because idk what to get next. ace 44s seem to be hard to find atm, and I'd rather just get trucks from my local who does not carry ace unfortunately. new Indys, or new thunders...

I have some axle slipped ventures to kill off next, but I just couldn't get settled in on them, took forever to break in then I had to start busting the wheels loose every session, sucked. they looked cool as fuck though, gave me nostalgia.

indys feel like home, but I'm not sure if I wanna go home yet. it's kinda trashy there. lol



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 24, 2020, 06:50:05 AM
Yeah....I bought a set of thunder teams on the basis I could pound out the old kingpin....put in krux d/l....my current set are ground down....

one popped out easy....the other....nope....heated in oven....kingpin bent from pounding....

Now what the hell do I do?  I have a baseplate I can't use, and do you think I have the gall to try and explain this to DLX? 

New hanger....meet old baseplate....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on May 24, 2020, 07:56:56 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 24, 2020, 06:50:05 AM
Yeah....I bought a set of thunder teams on the basis I could pound out the old kingpin....put in krux d/l....my current set are ground down....

one popped out easy....the other....nope....heated in oven....kingpin bent from pounding....

Now what the hell do I do?  I have a baseplate I can't use, and do you think I have the gall to try and explain this to DLX? 

New hanger....meet old baseplate....

How bad is the bend? Could it be cut near the baseplate and hammered out the rest of the way?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lysdexia on May 24, 2020, 07:06:32 PM
Quote from: Weezil on May 23, 2020, 01:55:38 PM
indys feel like home, but I'm not sure if I wanna go home yet. it's kinda trashy there. lol

that is the perfect way to summarise indys at the moment i feel
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 24, 2020, 11:13:41 PM
Quote from: palelight on May 24, 2020, 07:56:56 AM
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Yeah....I bought a set of thunder teams on the basis I could pound out the old kingpin....put in krux d/l....my current set are ground down....

one popped out easy....the other....nope....heated in oven....kingpin bent from pounding....

Now what the hell do I do?  I have a baseplate I can't use, and do you think I have the gall to try and explain this to DLX? 

New hanger....meet old baseplate....
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How bad is the bend? Could it be cut near the baseplate and hammered out the rest of the way?

Not a bad idea....I just assumed it was lodged in there so tight, it wouldn't make a difference...but yah...I could hacksaw it down and try again....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 24, 2020, 11:26:43 PM
It’s crazy how hard products are to come by

Tactics doesnt even have a pair of thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 25, 2020, 06:44:25 AM
Good play on my part....when everyone was buying toilet paper.....you know what I was chasing down.....trucks.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on May 25, 2020, 07:17:21 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 25, 2020, 06:44:25 AM
Good play on my part....when everyone was buying toilet paper.....you know what I was chasing down.....trucks.....

When I decided to buy tensors almost 2 months ago. I could not find the raw mag 5.5s at all. no shops had them(but no on them usually carries tensor anyway except the cheap ones for beginners)

Not even thank you had them.

This smaller shop in my state ordered a bunch of destructo because they had a hard time getting other trucks in ATM.

Strange times.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 25, 2020, 08:50:19 AM
Magnesium trucks too....buy two sets...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on May 25, 2020, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: rob on May 24, 2020, 11:26:43 PM
It’s crazy how hard products are to come by

Tactics doesnt even have a pair of thunders

My local just got their orders from NHS and DLX so hang in there, your shop is probably getting theirs soon too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on May 25, 2020, 11:21:16 AM
Also I saw someone post about throwing a barrel bottom on their Thunders and was wondering which brand you guys use.

Been wondering this for a while, I get bad speedwobbles going downhill on Thunder.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on May 25, 2020, 11:43:30 AM
Quote from: Fat Tire on May 25, 2020, 11:21:16 AM
Also I saw someone post about throwing a barrel bottom on their Thunders and was wondering which brand you guys use.

Been wondering this for a while, I get bad speedwobbles going downhill on Thunder.

I don’t get that. my 147’s are turn to where the nut is barley on, on both trucks, and they feel tight as hell. and I’ve been skating them for 6 months.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on May 25, 2020, 01:12:39 PM
Quote from: TFUCKINA on May 25, 2020, 11:43:30 AM
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Also I saw someone post about throwing a barrel bottom on their Thunders and was wondering which brand you guys use.

Been wondering this for a while, I get bad speedwobbles going downhill on Thunder.
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I don’t get that. my 147’s are turn to where the nut is barley on, on both trucks, and they feel tight as hell. and I’ve been skating them for 6 months.
whether you ride both washers, weight, and bushing duro are all factors on how tight they will be. rode them stock at around 200 lbs and they felt medium to medium loose
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on May 25, 2020, 01:30:58 PM
Quote from: off on May 25, 2020, 01:12:39 PM
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Also I saw someone post about throwing a barrel bottom on their Thunders and was wondering which brand you guys use.

Been wondering this for a while, I get bad speedwobbles going downhill on Thunder.
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I don’t get that. my 147’s are turn to where the nut is barley on, on both trucks, and they feel tight as hell. and I’ve been skating them for 6 months.
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whether you ride both washers, weight, and bushing duro are all factors on how tight they will be. rode them stock at around 200 lbs and they felt medium to medium loose

yea, everything is stock. maybe it’s my weight? I’m like 130. Lmao
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on May 25, 2020, 01:49:15 PM
Quote from: TFUCKINA on May 25, 2020, 01:30:58 PM

yea, everything is stock. maybe it’s my weight? I’m like 130. Lmao

I weigh 175 and stock is too damn tight.  I replaced the top bushing and washer with a bones bushing and no washer.  It's looser, but still too damn tight.  147s are the only Thunders I have ridden - maybe the 148 and up geometry allows looser?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on May 25, 2020, 03:43:00 PM
It sucks most second hand trucks come with bones.

Not a scratch on the hangers but the wrong bushings again.

I feel like people should stop fucking with bones so we can get proper rebuild kits from dlx.

I hate having mismatch shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on May 25, 2020, 04:02:45 PM
149 on 8.18 yay or nay?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on May 25, 2020, 04:29:58 PM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on May 25, 2020, 04:02:45 PM
149 on 8.18 yay or nay?
70% yay
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on May 25, 2020, 04:34:18 PM
Been skating sour 8.18 with thunder hollow lights 149 and f4 radial slims for 2 years without any problems. I liked this set up so much that i kept buying the same components over and over. Finally came across a used pair of 148s hollow forged a mate was selling and bought those with the intent to size down on decks, to possibly start riding 8.1 again.

Also for the breaking kingpins, i have not broken a kingpin since i started using the bones flat washer instead of the stock flanged ones in all my trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on May 25, 2020, 05:20:11 PM
Good to hear. I’ve been riding 8.25 decks for quite sometime and just bought 149 Team Hollow Thunders a couple days ago and my wife surprised me with a 8.18 FA for my birthday. Can’t wait to try this out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crabby_Bastard on May 25, 2020, 07:10:48 PM
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yea, everything is stock. maybe it’s my weight? I’m like 130. Lmao
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I weigh 175 and stock is too damn tight.  I replaced the top bushing and washer with a bones bushing and no washer.  It's looser, but still too damn tight.  147s are the only Thunders I have ridden - maybe the 148 and up geometry allows looser?

148s and up are very different. I ride them as loose as they come stock and they are perfect. With 148s I take out the bottom washer on the front truck and grind down the top bushings on both.

Then they are good. I weigh 140lbs and like my trucks to be as loose as I can get them without having a rattling mess. I learned the hard way when I was out street skating in SF a few miles from home on a 45 degree night and the nuts kept falling off my trucks while I was skating home. I had to stop every block or so to hand tighten them with very cold hands. Hell!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on May 25, 2020, 07:26:30 PM
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yea, everything is stock. maybe it’s my weight? I’m like 130. Lmao
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I weigh 175 and stock is too damn tight.  I replaced the top bushing and washer with a bones bushing and no washer.  It's looser, but still too damn tight.  147s are the only Thunders I have ridden - maybe the 148 and up geometry allows looser?
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148s and up are very different. I ride them as loose as they come stock and they are perfect. With 148s I take out the bottom washer on the front truck and grind down the top bushings on both.

Then they are good. I weigh 140lbs and like my trucks to be as loose as I can get them without having a rattling mess. I learned the hard way when I was out street skating in SF a few miles from home on a 45 degree night and the nuts kept falling off my trucks while I was skating home. I had to stop every block or so to hand tighten them with very cold hands. Hell!

holy hell. lmao yea I would say I ride mine medium-loose, closer to medium.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MalHuis on May 26, 2020, 06:00:05 AM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on May 25, 2020, 04:02:45 PM
149 on 8.18 yay or nay?

I nearly set up a 8.06 full on 149ti indies, actually looked good fuckin good like a mini 169s on an 8.5 big wheels etc. Bought the 8.06 full to size down in the future so bit down and ordered some 148teams. First set of thunders!!

I bought the Jamie Foy purple team ones. I know people has talked about it on here but anyone have a link how i can get rid of that god damn purple base plates?

Biting down as hard as i can till the 148s arrive.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on May 26, 2020, 09:35:03 AM
Fuck it. Leave them shits purple. With enough grooves they’ll look gnar no matter what color they are.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: saltusnaut on May 26, 2020, 09:40:36 AM
True except for red trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on May 26, 2020, 12:31:18 PM
Quote from: MalHuis on May 26, 2020, 06:00:05 AM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on May 25, 2020, 04:02:45 PM
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149 on 8.18 yay or nay?
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I nearly set up a 8.06 full on 149ti indies, actually looked good fuckin good like a mini 169s on an 8.5 big wheels etc. Bought the 8.06 full to size down in the future so bit down and ordered some 148teams. First set of thunders!!

I bought the Jamie Foy purple team ones. I know people has talked about it on here but anyone have a link how i can get rid of that god damn purple base plates?

Biting down as hard as i can till the 148s arrive.

If it's anodized you're gonna have to ride it out, if it's not, use paint remover or acetone to get it off.

FYI never done it, but that's probably how you wanna do it. Scraping seems like a massive pain in the ass.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on May 26, 2020, 12:54:55 PM
Quote from: Fat Tire on May 26, 2020, 12:31:18 PM
Quote from: MalHuis on May 26, 2020, 06:00:05 AM
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149 on 8.18 yay or nay?
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I nearly set up a 8.06 full on 149ti indies, actually looked good fuckin good like a mini 169s on an 8.5 big wheels etc. Bought the 8.06 full to size down in the future so bit down and ordered some 148teams. First set of thunders!!

I bought the Jamie Foy purple team ones. I know people has talked about it on here but anyone have a link how i can get rid of that god damn purple base plates?

Biting down as hard as i can till the 148s arrive.
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If it's anodized you're gonna have to ride it out, if it's not, use paint remover or acetone to get it off.

FYI never done it, but that's probably how you wanna do it. Scraping seems like a massive pain in the ass.
arrbee used citristrip for his aces and it came out great. pretty sure team baseplates arent anodized so it should work out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on May 26, 2020, 01:47:36 PM
You guys ever tried polishing the trucks? So it gets nearly mirror finnish
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on May 26, 2020, 03:23:14 PM
I saw a pair of Indys like that on insta, shit looked weird as fuck, probably would look nice with the forged hollows because they have that shiny ass baseplate that doesn't match the hangar that drives me nuts.

it's 95 degrees where I'm at today, watching Bobby Puleo and Gino footage has inspired me to dig out my ventures and an old pair of spitfire (non f4) classics. shit was magical, knew they'd finally feel really good on a really hot day, skating wheels that aren't f4s though is not magical, almost killed myself power sliding.



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on May 26, 2020, 03:40:49 PM
Quote from: Weezil on May 26, 2020, 03:23:14 PM
I saw a pair of Indys like that on insta, shit looked weird as fuck, probably would look nice with the forged hollows because they have that shiny ass baseplate that doesn't match the hangar that drives me nuts.

it's 95 degrees where I'm at today, watching Bobby Puleo and Gino footage has inspired me to dig out my ventures and an old pair of spitfire (non f4) classics. shit was magical, knew they'd finally feel really good on a really hot day, skating wheels that aren't f4s though is not magical, almost killed myself power sliding.

Gino and Bobby are the best. I’m always down for ventures, in part because of those dudes. I’ve also been feeling some nostalgia for regular classics. Always one speed check away from some serious flat spots tho. They do feel really nice, rolling, feel natural. I liked the Mike Anderson sfws quite a bit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on May 26, 2020, 07:29:24 PM
What’s this??

https://www.instagram.com/p/CAjR_exFXgC/?igshid=ul2sz2qdm7sa
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on May 26, 2020, 07:44:45 PM
Those are Aces with coppers and what looks like a tensor Esq slider
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on May 26, 2020, 07:47:25 PM
I had stomp on copers for my Indy 2s. They ruled
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MalHuis on May 27, 2020, 05:02:47 AM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on May 26, 2020, 09:35:03 AM
Fuck it. Leave them shits purple. With enough grooves they’ll look gnar no matter what color they are.

+1 I like your style.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: radcunt on May 27, 2020, 06:32:11 AM
I've got some 215s and they've got USA stamped on the bottom.  Do they make them in the states, or is it some 'assembled in the usa' type shit?

Also, any tips on good bushings to put on these wide ass beasts?  I usually run Bones Mediums in Indy 169s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on May 27, 2020, 07:10:45 AM
Quote from: radcunt on May 27, 2020, 06:32:11 AM
I've got some 215s and they've got USA stamped on the bottom.  Do they make them in the states, or is it some 'assembled in the usa' type shit?

Also, any tips on good bushings to put on these wide ass beasts?  I usually run Bones Mediums in Indy 169s
i think I’m ready to try a harder bushing in 169s as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on May 27, 2020, 05:11:37 PM
Quote from: radcunt on May 27, 2020, 06:32:11 AM
I've got some 215s and they've got USA stamped on the bottom.  Do they make them in the states, or is it some 'assembled in the usa' type shit?

Also, any tips on good bushings to put on these wide ass beasts?  I usually run Bones Mediums in Indy 169s

I just got the newest 215s with the ‘wings’ on them. Definitely no USA stamp so I would say you got an old set. Send a photo of the hangar. Mine has 215 embossed on the end like thunder does.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shawngreg on May 29, 2020, 10:42:36 AM
i've kind of avoided anything Indy related for the past like...8 months maybe?  whats the latest with them, are people still upset about the China move?  is there quality issues?  is there a cast/forged preference, or anything universal that people prefer?

been on Ventures but was gunna grab a pair of Indys for a cruiser
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 29, 2020, 12:35:22 PM
Quote from: shawngreg on May 29, 2020, 10:42:36 AM
i've kind of avoided anything Indy related for the past like...8 months maybe?  whats the latest with them, are people still upset about the China move?  is there quality issues?  is there a cast/forged preference, or anything universal that people prefer?

been on Ventures but was gunna grab a pair of Indys for a cruiser

While I can understand why people might be upset with the move to china...I'm not sure how they can be so angsty yet probably have iPhones, laptops, TVs, Cars, whathaveyou, all either made in or built with parts sourced from, China.

Anyway, I recently picked up 9.5" board (8.75" at both truck areas due to taper) and needed some trucks, it's obviously a bit of a pig at 9.5" and the WBs (dual drilled) are either 14.625" or 15.375" so for my the options were ACE/INDY/THEEVE as I don't want to push the WB any further...and had to be 8.75" ACE55/66 too small and too big, Theeves, too small so I settled on Indy 159 Forged Hollows (I was tempted by Thunder 151s tho).

They are for sure the new stock (they had just arrived in the shop I ordered from) and you can easily tell by the casting quality, they are really quite nice. Stock bushings seem different, higher quality than old stock but I'm not certain if they are aftermarkets used as new 'stock' bushings (I doubt it). Pivot cups seem a bit higher quality as well as far as no jaggie plastic bits , we'll have to see how long they last.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/u1rpgI9rGUo-8XJGZsn4C967vSH5Vvg9UoMpFNrheWfb1Rk5W5YWpHNdSe2_h4fNBSvAOR18RtThOA7cBbVXZddqtojgNvs7mK8ly3gQY864TIy7oyER1p8oUk1U6WPSpfE9vVf305w)

Now to remove those iron crosses...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on May 29, 2020, 12:39:29 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 29, 2020, 12:35:22 PM


While I can understand why people might be upset with the move to china...I'm not sure how they can be so angsty yet probably have iPhones, laptops, TVs, Cars, whathaveyou, all either made in or built with parts sourced from, China.



Because it was nice to have the option of American made trucks. Simple. iPhones and all the other things you mentioned are a lost cause. Just b/c we all consume a lot Chinese made goods it does not mean we should be OK with everything going that way entirely. Hopefully, Venture and Thunder can hold out longer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 29, 2020, 12:45:43 PM
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While I can understand why people might be upset with the move to china...I'm not sure how they can be so angsty yet probably have iPhones, laptops, TVs, Cars, whathaveyou, all either made in or built with parts sourced from, China.


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Because it was nice to have the option of American made trucks. Simple. iPhones and all the other things you mentioned are a lost cause. Just b/c we all consume a lot Chinese made goods it does not mean we should be OK with everything going that way entirely. Hopefully, Venture and Thunder can hold out longer.

Like said, I can understand why. However, given that the quality of the truck has improved, why settle for subpar product 'Made in the U.S.A' when you can have better, regardless of where it's made?

Both Tensor and Chinese Indys are lightyears better in terms of fit and finish compared to Thunder and Venture (Venture seemingly cleaner looking to me for some reason).

DSM boards are some of the best finished boards on the market (and I personally prefer the crispier/stiff Chinese pressed decks over BBS/GEN/PS/SC (I get it's personal taste here); but once you get used to them everything else feels soggy/dead feeling by comparison; I wish they'd make wheels, surely they'd be competitive.

Anyway, I get the feeling that DLX will keep, at a minimum Thunder/Spit US made.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on May 29, 2020, 12:46:24 PM
Skated 2 days on Thunder 148 Team Raws now, and its my first EVER raw truck, as in no hollows etc. I grew up skating grind king, and have always gone for the lighter options. Well... What a waste! I see no reason to pay more for "less". Tho in my case, I broke 3 hollow kingpins  ::)

^ Since Indy is made in china now, maybe they can pay more skaters? Look at it positive.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shawngreg on May 29, 2020, 01:29:26 PM
Xen, thank you for the always detailed responses my man.  also, lol'd hard at you calling your new deck a bit of a pig
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on May 29, 2020, 04:03:06 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 29, 2020, 12:45:43 PM
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While I can understand why people might be upset with the move to china...I'm not sure how they can be so angsty yet probably have iPhones, laptops, TVs, Cars, whathaveyou, all either made in or built with parts sourced from, China.


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Because it was nice to have the option of American made trucks. Simple. iPhones and all the other things you mentioned are a lost cause. Just b/c we all consume a lot Chinese made goods it does not mean we should be OK with everything going that way entirely. Hopefully, Venture and Thunder can hold out longer.
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Like said, I can understand why. However, given that the quality of the truck has improved, why settle for subpar product 'Made in the U.S.A' when you can have better, regardless of where it's made?



You did not mention anything about quality in the post I was responding to. If the quality is now better that's one thing but that remains to be seen a far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Charlie Hustle on May 29, 2020, 04:28:35 PM
Xen, consistently the WORST poster. I really don’t think you do understand why, when you turn around and say “but the quality is better so you shouldn’t care.”
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sadnocomply on May 29, 2020, 04:33:13 PM
Xen always telling us to get those fucking primitives too smh!!!   ::)

Jk I love you xen
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on May 29, 2020, 05:28:11 PM
I think worst poster is maybe a bit heavy handed, no?
The hyperbole was strong with saying that ‘tensor and Chinese indys are LIGHT YEARS’ better quality, compared to venture/thunder. That’s kinda just saying stuff, unless you provide some specifics. I do understand this is all casual off handed talk, so it doesn’t need some actual science, but.....
I haven’t had tensors cuz I ain’t no nerd (I actually just don’t want a 55mm tall truck).
I absolutely would rather buy USA products, whenever possible, for many reasons: jobs, environment (shipping items across the world is not ideal), I don’t think we need to cede anymore manufacturing to China, China has sus ethics for Chinese people/others....and I honestly believe the cast ventures and thunders I’ve had have been great. I’m currently most stoked on ACE, and they are China all the way, I’d be more stoked if they weren’t.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 29, 2020, 07:14:34 PM
Quote from: shawngreg on May 29, 2020, 01:29:26 PM
Xen, thank you for the always detailed responses my man.  also, lol'd hard at you calling your new deck a bit of a pig

It is (for me anyway); just posted it in the Big Boards 9"+( I wanna hear big boys talk about their big boards) thread: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=97297.msg3307430#msg3307430
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on May 29, 2020, 11:45:30 PM
Quote from: Lee Ralph Fan Club on May 29, 2020, 04:03:06 PM
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While I can understand why people might be upset with the move to china...I'm not sure how they can be so angsty yet probably have iPhones, laptops, TVs, Cars, whathaveyou, all either made in or built with parts sourced from, China.


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Because it was nice to have the option of American made trucks. Simple. iPhones and all the other things you mentioned are a lost cause. Just b/c we all consume a lot Chinese made goods it does not mean we should be OK with everything going that way entirely. Hopefully, Venture and Thunder can hold out longer.
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Like said, I can understand why. However, given that the quality of the truck has improved, why settle for subpar product 'Made in the U.S.A' when you can have better, regardless of where it's made?


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You did not mention anything about quality in the post I was responding to. If the quality is now better that's one thing but that remains to be seen a far as I can tell.
Quote from: Xen on May 29, 2020, 12:35:22 PM
They are for sure the new stock (they had just arrived in the shop I ordered from) and you can easily tell by the casting quality, they are really quite nice
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crabby_Bastard on May 30, 2020, 12:03:50 AM
Quote from: Xen on May 29, 2020, 12:45:43 PM
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While I can understand why people might be upset with the move to china...I'm not sure how they can be so angsty yet probably have iPhones, laptops, TVs, Cars, whathaveyou, all either made in or built with parts sourced from, China.


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Because it was nice to have the option of American made trucks. Simple. iPhones and all the other things you mentioned are a lost cause. Just b/c we all consume a lot Chinese made goods it does not mean we should be OK with everything going that way entirely. Hopefully, Venture and Thunder can hold out longer.
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Like said, I can understand why. However, given that the quality of the truck has improved, why settle for subpar product 'Made in the U.S.A' when you can have better, regardless of where it's made?

Both Tensor and Chinese Indys are lightyears better in terms of fit and finish compared to Thunder and Venture (Venture seemingly cleaner looking to me for some reason).

DSM boards are some of the best finished boards on the market (and I personally prefer the crispier/stiff Chinese pressed decks over BBS/GEN/PS/SC (I get it's personal taste here); but once you get used to them everything else feels soggy/dead feeling by comparison; I wish they'd make wheels, surely they'd be competitive.

Anyway, I get the feeling that DLX will keep, at a minimum Thunder/Spit US made.

All of the forged base plates that Ermico (the foundry that makes Thunder, Venture, and formerly, Indy) uses have always, or at least almost always, been made in China. Right now, cast Ventures and Thunders are mostly made in the USA, except for the some of the smaller components.

Oh, and Spitfire moved production to Mexico nearly 3 years ago!

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DarkPools on May 30, 2020, 02:24:17 AM
Current Stage 11 Indys that are made in China are just as good in terms of build quality, function, and durability. Sure, there might be minor differences in the non-USA made to the USA made but there isn't much.
Bushings seem to break in easier (but not last long like they used to. I had to swap to aftermarkets which is rare for me on pre China indys) than they used to (at least from what I can tell) and the metal doesn't grind down any quicker. Grinds feel the same, too. Turning feels just as responsive and turnt, but still stable as USA made, also.

I had Stage 10s last me at least 2 full years of skating with no problem and a pair of China Stage 11s I'm on right now feel and ride great after a year, so I think they're just as good. Then again, I've only skated Indy since 2009-2010, so keep that in mind with my opinion.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on May 30, 2020, 03:16:10 AM
Quote from: Xen on May 29, 2020, 12:45:43 PM
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While I can understand why people might be upset with the move to china...I'm not sure how they can be so angsty yet probably have iPhones, laptops, TVs, Cars, whathaveyou, all either made in or built with parts sourced from, China.


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Because it was nice to have the option of American made trucks. Simple. iPhones and all the other things you mentioned are a lost cause. Just b/c we all consume a lot Chinese made goods it does not mean we should be OK with everything going that way entirely. Hopefully, Venture and Thunder can hold out longer.
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Like said, I can understand why. However, given that the quality of the truck has improved, why settle for subpar product 'Made in the U.S.A' when you can have better, regardless of where it's made?

Both Tensor and Chinese Indys are lightyears better in terms of fit and finish compared to Thunder and Venture (Venture seemingly cleaner looking to me for some reason).

DSM boards are some of the best finished boards on the market (and I personally prefer the crispier/stiff Chinese pressed decks over BBS/GEN/PS/SC (I get it's personal taste here); but once you get used to them everything else feels soggy/dead feeling by comparison; I wish they'd make wheels, surely they'd be competitive.

Anyway, I get the feeling that DLX will keep, at a minimum Thunder/Spit US made.

You guys in the states probably still get the good Spitfire wheels but there has been a recent flood of what I assume are fake Spitfires all over Taobao (China's equivalent of Amazon) and Aliexpress:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000805451624.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.49f852dd8Mq4rO&algo_pvid=0f91d112-0a86-4d2d-87cd-20a4ff03af3f&algo_expid=0f91d112-0a86-4d2d-87cd-20a4ff03af3f-1&btsid=0ab50f4415908331544852721e3859&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_

They are selling for less than $35 with shipping and the urathene looks a little too white for F4 which are more yellow.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 30, 2020, 03:36:23 AM
I was watching some videos about the downfall of Harley Davidson and they talk about one of the big reasons for them to move production to Asia was that the price of the imported steel and aluminum got heavily taxed after trumps measures, so making the parts in America got super expensive and not that profitable. Do you guys think that could be one of the reasons for Indy to move production overseas?

https://youtu.be/zwud-2RKwA0
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Charlie Hustle on May 30, 2020, 03:42:00 AM
Quote from: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 30, 2020, 03:36:23 AM
I was watching some videos about the downfall of Harley Davidson and they talk about one of the big reasons for them to move production to Asia was that the price of the imported steel and aluminum got heavily taxed after trumps measures, so making the parts in America got super expensive and not that profitable. Do you guys think that could be one of the reasons for Indy to move production overseas?

https://youtu.be/zwud-2RKwA0
I'm not sure if that's specifically why. I mean it's cheaper to make shit in Asia period, that's why people do it. Everything NHS makes is made in China.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on May 30, 2020, 04:27:05 AM
Quote from: Charlie Hustle on May 30, 2020, 03:42:00 AM
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I was watching some videos about the downfall of Harley Davidson and they talk about one of the big reasons for them to move production to Asia was that the price of the imported steel and aluminum got heavily taxed after trumps measures, so making the parts in America got super expensive and not that profitable. Do you guys think that could be one of the reasons for Indy to move production overseas?

https://youtu.be/zwud-2RKwA0
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I'm not sure if that's specifically why. I mean it's cheaper to make shit in Asia period, that's why people do it. Everything NHS makes is made in China.

The entire Harley Davidson brand is tied to the American identity, think about how much of their products are photographed with the US flag in the background. While a majority of the skateboarding industry is stateside, it's identity less America.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on May 30, 2020, 05:58:44 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on May 30, 2020, 04:27:05 AM
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I was watching some videos about the downfall of Harley Davidson and they talk about one of the big reasons for them to move production to Asia was that the price of the imported steel and aluminum got heavily taxed after trumps measures, so making the parts in America got super expensive and not that profitable. Do you guys think that could be one of the reasons for Indy to move production overseas?

https://youtu.be/zwud-2RKwA0
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I'm not sure if that's specifically why. I mean it's cheaper to make shit in Asia period, that's why people do it. Everything NHS makes is made in China.
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The entire Harley Davidson brand is tied to the American identity, think about how much of their products are photographed with the US flag in the background. While a majority of the skateboarding industry is stateside, it's identity less America.

I thought NHS, had a change in leadership. This person was pushing the collabs and made the decision to move to China for profits. He also ended certain paid incentives sponsorships. Basically pulling a Nike and thinking that people would stay on basically as Indy flow forever cause “ride the best!”. This at least is what I gleaned from slap post and Instagram comments.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on May 30, 2020, 06:18:40 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on May 30, 2020, 04:27:05 AM
The entire Harley Davidson brand is tied to the American identity, think about how much of their products are photographed with the US flag in the background. While a majority of the skateboarding industry is stateside, it's identity less America.

True. But of any brand around, Indy had a very dialed-in image which definitely catered/caters to that 'made in America' 'American tradition' vibe. Definitely not as prominent as something like mid-century Harley Davidson nostalgia but as close as you're going to get in skating. I mean, it's like the one brand that has existed pretty much uninterrupted since the 70's with steady popularity.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on May 30, 2020, 06:47:29 AM
Quote from: Xen on May 29, 2020, 12:45:43 PM
Like said, I can understand why. However, given that the quality of the truck has improved, why settle for subpar product 'Made in the U.S.A' when you can have better, regardless of where it's made?

Both Tensor and Chinese Indys are lightyears better in terms of fit and finish compared to Thunder and Venture (Venture seemingly cleaner looking to me for some reason).

New Indys don't look right, too shiny. I wouldn't say they look better, just different.

As far as buying stuff that isn't made in China, you're totally fine with buying goods that are made in a communist state that oppresses/kills/enslaves their own citizens but in the same breath you denounce the iron crosses? Double standard.

I and others would rather buy goods that are made in North America due to NAFTA. Mexico has a corrupt government but it isn't the totalitarian regime that is the People's Republic of China.

But anyways yeah you ride Tensors and Minilogos so that's an epic fail bro.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on May 30, 2020, 09:51:20 AM
damn this guy knows what’s up, i guess i have to whittle my own trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on May 30, 2020, 10:03:08 AM
Quote from: authentic_creed_bratton on May 30, 2020, 09:51:20 AM
damn this guy knows what’s up, i guess i have to whittle my own trucks

Ha. Found some thunders that were squirreled away, some broken feather lights etc, just random parts from the 90s....tossed everything. Should have taken pics. Those thunders in particular, but all of the old parts looked so crude in comparison. The hangers looked uneven. The whole truck looked like it was made out of wax, whittled. More respect to the folks really doing it back when: some equipment is way better now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 30, 2020, 10:34:32 AM
Quote from: authentic_creed_bratton on May 30, 2020, 09:51:20 AM
damn this guy knows what’s up, i guess i have to whittle my own trucks

;D ;D

Quote from: Fat Tire on May 30, 2020, 06:47:29 AM

But anyways yeah you ride Tensors and Minilogos so that's an epic fail bro.

Actually riding some partially 'made in the USA' Ventures right now, because variety in skating without brand fanboism is rad; you bag on brands because of name or image. You're shallow as fuck.


Quote from: Fat Tire on May 30, 2020, 06:47:29 AM
I and others would rather buy goods that are made in North America due to NAFTA. Mexico has a corrupt government but it isn't the totalitarian regime that is the People's Republic of China.


Says the hypocrite who rides ACE 55s by choice.  Preach brother. Preach.



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on May 31, 2020, 08:52:24 AM
Again, it is simply not hypocrisy to want the option of Made in the USA goods while using imports.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kennet_h on May 31, 2020, 09:48:16 AM
Will thunder standard 151 hanger, fit in forged 149 baseplate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crabby_Bastard on May 31, 2020, 11:57:41 AM
Quote from: Kennet_h on May 31, 2020, 09:48:16 AM
Will thunder standard 151 hanger, fit in forged 149 baseplate?

Yes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on May 31, 2020, 08:10:43 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 30, 2020, 10:34:32 AM
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damn this guy knows what’s up, i guess i have to whittle my own trucks
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;D ;D

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But anyways yeah you ride Tensors and Minilogos so that's an epic fail bro.
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Actually riding some partially 'made in the USA' Ventures right now, because variety in skating without brand fanboism is rad; you bag on brands because of name or image. You're shallow as fuck.


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Says the hypocrite who rides ACE 55s by choice.  Preach brother. Preach.

I was just giving you shit because you're a kook, I don't actually mind who rides those trucks.

Ace/Diamond is a small skater owned company that never produced their trucks stateside. Independent is the biggest truck mfg around and they pulled out of the USA by choice. Unless they pulled out because Ermico couldn't meet their numbers, there's really no excuse.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 31, 2020, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Fat Tire on May 31, 2020, 08:10:43 PM
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damn this guy knows what’s up, i guess i have to whittle my own trucks
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;D ;D

Quote from: Fat Tire on May 30, 2020, 06:47:29 AM
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But anyways yeah you ride Tensors and Minilogos so that's an epic fail bro.
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Actually riding some partially 'made in the USA' Ventures right now, because variety in skating without brand fanboism is rad; you bag on brands because of name or image. You're shallow as fuck.


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I and others would rather buy goods that are made in North America due to NAFTA. Mexico has a corrupt government but it isn't the totalitarian regime that is the People's Republic of China.

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Says the hypocrite who rides ACE 55s by choice.  Preach brother. Preach.
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I was just giving you shit because you're a kook, I don't actually mind who rides those trucks.

Ace/Diamond is a small skater owned company that never produced their trucks stateside. Independent is the biggest truck mfg around and they pulled out of the USA by choice. Unless they pulled out because Ermico couldn't meet their numbers, there's really no excuse.

Everyone's a fucking kook.

I wouldn't doubt that NHS (indy specifically) is losing mindshare, ACE has been making a huge dent in them over time (and theeve for those in the know)...Thunder of course is their biggest threat, now Venture is on the ups and eating more Indy mind/marketshare...then you have Tensors slowly getting a piece (they're really fucking good but haters will never know; they literally handle it all and the mags grind for days).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on June 01, 2020, 06:29:14 PM
(https://www.moddriver.com/images/stage_7.jpg)

Raided the parts bin for some slappies. 

Indy 146 Stage VII
Aftermarket 92a bushings
G&S kingpins from 1990
Acer Racing titanium axle nuts
4 speed rings between hanger and bearing - possible because of the ti nuts.

The outside to outside wheel measures exactly the same as my 159s and a set of 32mm wide wheels, allowing me to run 146s on a 8.75 eagle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 01, 2020, 06:31:51 PM
That rules. I think you just sold me on those ti axle nuts.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 01, 2020, 08:25:41 PM
Quote from: backinaction on June 01, 2020, 06:29:14 PM
(https://www.moddriver.com/images/stage_7.jpg)

Raided the parts bin for some slappies. 

Indy 146 Stage XII
Aftermarket 92a bushings
G&S kingpins from 1990
Acer Racing titanium axle nuts
4 speed rings between hanger and bearing - possible because of the ti nuts.

The outside to outside wheel measures exactly the same as my 159s and a set of 32mm wide wheels, allowing me to run 146s on a 8.75 eagle.

That's rad!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: weedgod94 on June 01, 2020, 08:35:12 PM
Quote from: backinaction on June 01, 2020, 06:29:14 PM
Indy 146 Stage XII
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: WeenisVonHugeDick on June 01, 2020, 08:50:06 PM
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Indy 146 Stage XII
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we have a time traveler in our midst
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on June 01, 2020, 08:58:14 PM
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Indy 146 Stage VII
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we have a time traveler in our midst
My bad.... stage 7s...  VII
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatefresh on June 03, 2020, 04:42:57 PM
So I've finally got back to skating after breaking my foot the first few sessions on 147 thunders coming from 5.25 low ventures. After I buy another deck I think I am going to throw my 1 year old worn out 5.25 lows back on. They felt so good broken in and ventures just feel like home to me. Kickflips and fakie flips on thunders feel better but I prefer the slightly heavier stable feeling from ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on June 06, 2020, 06:23:43 PM
Anyones yoke start to cut into the bushing from doing smiths/feebles? The yoke is getting pushed back and sharp, was thinking of just filing it down.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nap on June 09, 2020, 06:28:35 AM
Do Indy baseplates (of the same stage 11) always have the same size? I want to switch the old ones 149 baseplates with 144s, because the holes are worn out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on June 09, 2020, 06:45:59 AM
Quote from: Nap on June 09, 2020, 06:28:35 AM
Do Indy baseplates (of the same stage 11) always have the same size? I want to switch the old ones 149 baseplates with 144s, because the holes are worn out.

The cast trucks use the same baseplates on all the sizes. You should be fine swapping.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Surf The Earth on June 09, 2020, 07:09:30 AM
wife let me splurge on a new complete. I usually ride Indy's forged hollow 159, but this time went with the titanium 159s. Haven't tried em yet, but they are certainly lighter, and according to the dude at the shop, last longer as well, so I am excited. Just hope its not a gimmick and I got ripped off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drunk guy on June 09, 2020, 07:28:16 AM
Venture hollow 8.6 are the first truck I was able to set up and skate with out going through debilitating depression for the first 3 or 4 days
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on June 09, 2020, 07:41:24 AM
Quote from: Surf The Earth on June 09, 2020, 07:09:30 AM
wife let me splurge on a new complete. I usually ride Indy's forged hollow 159, but this time went with the titanium 159s. Haven't tried em yet, but they are certainly lighter, and according to the dude at the shop, last longer as well, so I am excited. Just hope its not a gimmick and I got ripped off.

I have some 149ti’s and I don’t have any complaints so far they seem durable I think the axle is ti so I would think
Less axle bending?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 09, 2020, 11:17:49 AM
Maybe the Raws versus hollows and TI axels use slightly different alloys? 

Transplanted new thunder hangers onto old baseplates w. Krux kp's....those thunder stock bushings, probably shouldn't have touched them, it took a few days before things started twitching.....

I almost put in bones....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on June 09, 2020, 11:56:53 AM
I wonder how titanium trucks grind once you hit axle
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on June 09, 2020, 02:17:47 PM
Quote from: backinaction on June 01, 2020, 06:29:14 PM
(https://www.moddriver.com/images/stage_7.jpg)

Raided the parts bin for some slappies. 

Indy 146 Stage VII
Aftermarket 92a bushings
G&S kingpins from 1990
Acer Racing titanium axle nuts
4 speed rings between hanger and bearing - possible because of the ti nuts.

The outside to outside wheel measures exactly the same as my 159s and a set of 32mm wide wheels, allowing me to run 146s on a 8.75 eagle.

Sick! I have some stage 8 146s I am about to use. Let me know how bad axle slip is...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tweekyn on June 09, 2020, 07:08:42 PM
I ride an 8" with Thunder Hollow lights II 148. I seemed to have tightened the kingpin too much and burst my top bushing after skating the new trucks for a few weeks. I was tightening them so much in an attempt to gain stability on my board. With that said, I need to buy new bushings and do not know where to start. What size bushings should I be looking for and what "stiffness" should I use for a more "stable" ride?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: radcunt on June 09, 2020, 07:59:17 PM
So I just bought these Indy 215s, and they're USA made.  I guess these are from a few runs ago, cos they wouldn't have the USA on the bottom anymore, right?

(https://i.imgur.com/j5erL9M.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/hBuVW43.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on June 09, 2020, 08:11:59 PM
Quote from: Tweekyn on June 09, 2020, 07:08:42 PM
I ride an 8" with Thunder Hollow lights II 148. I seemed to have tightened the kingpin too much and burst my top bushing after skating the new trucks for a few weeks. I was tightening them so much in an attempt to gain stability on my board. With that said, I need to buy new bushings and do not know where to start. What size bushings should I be looking for and what "stiffness" should I use for a more "stable" ride?
how much do you weigh
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crabby_Bastard on June 09, 2020, 08:54:29 PM
Quote from: Tweekyn on June 09, 2020, 07:08:42 PM
I ride an 8" with Thunder Hollow lights II 148. I seemed to have tightened the kingpin too much and burst my top bushing after skating the new trucks for a few weeks. I was tightening them so much in an attempt to gain stability on my board. With that said, I need to buy new bushings and do not know where to start. What size bushings should I be looking for and what "stiffness" should I use for a more "stable" ride?

The bushings in Thunder trucks are compression set. Because of this, you need to skate the trucks very loose for 15-20 minutes and then slowly start tightening them to your desired tightness over the next session or two. Do this and the bushings will last a long time and perform very well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tweekyn on June 09, 2020, 09:04:53 PM
Thank you! I had no idea.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on June 09, 2020, 09:14:55 PM
Quote from: radcunt on June 09, 2020, 07:59:17 PM
So I just bought these Indy 215s, and they're USA made.  I guess these are from a few runs ago, cos they wouldn't have the USA on the bottom anymore, right?

(https://i.imgur.com/j5erL9M.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/hBuVW43.jpg)

I thought they stopped stamping USA after stage 9.

Pretty cool find, where'd you pick these up?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Not Local on June 09, 2020, 09:32:20 PM
I have some stage 11s with USA stamped but they were from very early on in that stage.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on June 09, 2020, 09:34:40 PM
Quote from: Not Local on June 09, 2020, 02:17:47 PM
Quote from: backinaction on June 01, 2020, 06:29:14 PM
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(https://www.moddriver.com/images/stage_7.jpg)

Raided the parts bin for some slappies. 

Indy 146 Stage VII
Aftermarket 92a bushings
G&S kingpins from 1990
Acer Racing titanium axle nuts
4 speed rings between hanger and bearing - possible because of the ti nuts.

The outside to outside wheel measures exactly the same as my 159s and a set of 32mm wide wheels, allowing me to run 146s on a 8.75 eagle.
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Sick! I have some stage 8 146s I am about to use. Let me know how bad axle slip is...

I haven’t had axle slip on these. I have some stage 6 that do move around, but have been lucky with the 7s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: radcunt on June 09, 2020, 09:36:46 PM
Quote from: Fat Tire on June 09, 2020, 09:14:55 PM


I thought they stopped stamping USA after stage 9.

Pretty cool find, where'd you pick these up?

In Australia from here  https://www.wearedropouts.com.au/products/independent-stage-ii-polished?variant=18963315425376

Says they're stage 11? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 10, 2020, 06:03:03 AM
Quote from: radcunt on June 09, 2020, 09:36:46 PM
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I thought they stopped stamping USA after stage 9.

Pretty cool find, where'd you pick these up?
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In Australia from here  https://www.wearedropouts.com.au/products/independent-stage-ii-polished?variant=18963315425376

Says they're stage 11?

I am at work but I am 99% sure that have a set of stage 11 129s with the USA stamp. I'll check when I get in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on June 10, 2020, 11:30:02 AM
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I thought they stopped stamping USA after stage 9.

Pretty cool find, where'd you pick these up?
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In Australia from here  https://www.wearedropouts.com.au/products/independent-stage-ii-polished?variant=18963315425376

Says they're stage 11?
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I am at work but I am 99% sure that have a set of stage 11 129s with the USA stamp. I'll check when I get in.

Have two sets of 149 Stage 11's sitting in a box, both sets are stamped USA, both pretty old. They stopped stamping USA midway through 2017 (maybe a bit earlier) and the hang tag read "made with domestic and foreign parts" or something similar. By the beginning of 2018 they started coming with the "Made in China" label on the hang tag. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hillbilly shifty on June 10, 2020, 12:33:06 PM
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(https://www.moddriver.com/images/stage_7.jpg)

Raided the parts bin for some slappies. 

Indy 146 Stage VII
Aftermarket 92a bushings
G&S kingpins from 1990
Acer Racing titanium axle nuts
4 speed rings between hanger and bearing - possible because of the ti nuts.

The outside to outside wheel measures exactly the same as my 159s and a set of 32mm wide wheels, allowing me to run 146s on a 8.75 eagle.
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Sick! I have some stage 8 146s I am about to use. Let me know how bad axle slip is...
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I haven’t had axle slip on these. I have some stage 6 that do move around, but have been lucky with the 7s.

nice!!!!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hillbilly shifty on June 10, 2020, 12:42:26 PM
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I thought they stopped stamping USA after stage 9.

Pretty cool find, where'd you pick these up?
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In Australia from here  https://www.wearedropouts.com.au/products/independent-stage-ii-polished?variant=18963315425376

Says they're stage 11?

could there have been a baseplate swap? since at least 2017, the baseplates on 215s always had the double drilled hole pattern.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: eckstarr on June 11, 2020, 12:57:48 AM
Can anyone tell me what the durometer is for the stock bushings (very pale blue) that come with Thunder Hollow Lights 148?
Looking to swap them out for something harder as they are way too soft, have them cranked tight and still copping lots of wheelbite running 52’s

TIA
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on June 11, 2020, 05:20:11 AM
Quote from: eckstarr on June 11, 2020, 12:57:48 AM
Can anyone tell me what the durometer is for the stock bushings (very pale blue) that come with Thunder Hollow Lights 148?
Looking to swap them out for something harder as they are way too soft, have them cranked tight and still copping lots of wheelbite running 52’s

TIA

I am 95% sure they are 90 durometer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 11, 2020, 12:03:13 PM
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Can anyone tell me what the durometer is for the stock bushings (very pale blue) that come with Thunder Hollow Lights 148?
Looking to swap them out for something harder as they are way too soft, have them cranked tight and still copping lots of wheelbite running 52’s

TIA
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I am 95% sure they are 90 durometer.

All stock thunders are 90a.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on June 12, 2020, 05:24:44 PM
Anyone try the Thunder polished 148’s with the gold/yellow bushings ? Not the hollow ones, the regular ones. Local shop got a few sets and I’m interested, however I haven’t ridden Thunders in 10 years.

This would be for a second set-up, 8.18-8.25 board. Currently on Venture 5.6’s which I like.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sadnocomply on June 12, 2020, 07:39:44 PM
Quote from: TheBoognish on June 12, 2020, 05:24:44 PM
Anyone try the Thunder polished 148’s with the gold/yellow bushings ? Not the hollow ones, the regular ones. Local shop got a few sets and I’m interested, however I haven’t ridden Thunders in 10 years.

This would be for a second set-up, 8.18-8.25 board. Currently on Venture 5.6’s which I like.
tried em early 2019 and absolutely hated them, think I had a bunk pair because it seemed the kingpin was crooked and every time I would lean to turn the washers and bushings slammed against the hanger and made a horrendous clicking sound and fucked my bushings and washers after like 4 sessions. Switched to 5.6’s and never looked back
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on June 12, 2020, 09:24:04 PM
was riding ace 44s for a while before getting burnt out on them and switching my ventures back on, doa 8.25 I've been skating measures more like an 8.5 so venture 5.8s feel better on it, got me wanting to step back up so I have thunder 151s on a curb board getting broken in for my next setup, gonna go back to 8.5s and mix it up with the occasional shaped board for curbs I think. gotta say though ventures feel great, stepped my wheels down to some worn out f4 classics and have been having alot of fun.

loving the thunders 151s though, feel so stable on the board until I go to turn and get such a quick turn, when I used to ride them back in like 2012 they turned like shit, might stick with these. they feel good on slappys too.






Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Juanjo789 on June 15, 2020, 10:00:41 AM
Hey guys, I wanna know whats better for skating rails? high vs low trucks and Loose vs tight. thx in advance
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on June 15, 2020, 12:49:20 PM
Low & Medium-loose.

On ledges, loose trucks suck. Its crazy how noticeable it is. You just slide out way easier, which is super scatchy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Clock3rs on June 15, 2020, 01:39:09 PM
Need to switch to another truck now, as my third Indys bent in a row. My decision stands between either thunder 149 or ace 44/55. Any suggestion here? Riding shorter 8.5 boards as I am most likely riding street. Ace 55 does have a fucking 9 inch width, as I have just read on their side. On the other side 44s seem a lightly bit too narrow for 8.5s. Anybody riding 8.5s here with 44s? How's the thunder 149 ii coming from Indys? Always liked Indys surfy feeling but they just tend to bend like immediately (running around 3-4 months each pair).

Also what‘s this thing going on with cast baseplates? Aftermarket or what does it mean?

/I guess it stands for the baseplates coming with Og the team edition ( no forged bullshit)

Thank you Guys!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 15, 2020, 03:15:07 PM
Quote from: Clock3rs on June 15, 2020, 01:39:09 PM
Need to switch to another truck now, as my third Indys bent in a row. My decision stands between either thunder 149 or ace 44/55. Any suggestion here? Riding shorter 8.5 boards as I am most likely riding street. Ace 55 does have a fucking 9 inch width, as I have just read on their side. On the other side 44s seem a lightly bit too narrow for 8.5s. Anybody riding 8.5s here with 44s? How's the thunder 149 ii coming from Indys? Always liked Indys surfy feeling but they just tend to bend like immediately (running around 3-4 months each pair).

Also what‘s this thing going on with cast baseplates? Aftermarket or what does it mean?

/I guess it stands for the baseplates coming with Og the team edition ( no forged bullshit)

Thank you Guys!

I personally think 44s are good/great on 8.5s. Ace have longer axles compared to other brands, you can use to this your advantage by spacing the wheels out to different widths using speed rings. 55s go on 8.5s fine, according to many (I haven’t done this), same thing, just space the wheels differently. It kinda comes down to if you want to go bigger or smaller than 8.5 in the future. Ace turn the best.

If it’s just about durability, thunders are more durable than ace imo.  I like thunders, and probably skate better with them, but I just get too much wheebite. It’s kinda the same thing as venture lo’s, which are fucking great, but I dont want to always have wheels 52mm and down. Usage varies, seen several people use thunders and 54-56 and be seemingly unbothered by that, where as I hated it.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 15, 2020, 03:37:28 PM
If you valued the surfiness of Indy....you'll love Ace....points to consider ACE shrink whee base, thunder extend....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 15, 2020, 04:15:58 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 15, 2020, 03:37:28 PM
If you valued the surfiness of Indy....you'll love Ace....points to consider ACE shrink whee base, thunder extend....

Or Theeve if you can get them stateside!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on June 15, 2020, 08:12:28 PM
switched the thunder hollow light 151 for 151 lights and im liking the extra weight, pop and ride feels solid not hefty. gonna lend the hollows to a buddy thats tired of indy for a bit until im itching again
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Clock3rs on June 16, 2020, 04:30:19 AM
bought aces. looked at the thunder and just couldn't bring myself to buying trucks without that big fucking meaty hangar going on. thanks buddies. ace 44s on 8.5. will put some speedrings on to extend the axle measurements
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on June 16, 2020, 04:59:39 AM
Quote from: Clock3rs on June 16, 2020, 04:30:19 AM
bought aces. looked at the thunder and just couldn't bring myself to buying trucks without that big fucking meaty hangar going on. thanks buddies. ace 44s on 8.5. will put some speedrings on to extend the axle measurements
Also DO NOT touch stock bushings, they’re perfect if you have patience to break them fully in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Clock3rs on June 16, 2020, 05:14:04 AM
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bought aces. looked at the thunder and just couldn't bring myself to buying trucks without that big fucking meaty hangar going on. thanks buddies. ace 44s on 8.5. will put some speedrings on to extend the axle measurements
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Also DO NOT touch stock bushings, they’re perfect if you have patience to break them fully in.

Not gonna do so, thanks. Did not even touch my independent bushings in the last pairs I ran through. Quite ok. They got pretty loose in the end, but anything better than bones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on June 16, 2020, 05:18:36 AM
I bet you gonna love those ace bushings then, I switched from indy to ace like 2 years ago and after first week on them I knew I’m never gonna go back. Better bushings and better turning, loving my aces.
Oh, and I also skated two 8.5’s in a row on 44’s, wasn’t bad at all but they’re perfect on 8.375” board imo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on June 16, 2020, 09:17:26 AM
If you want a more reliable truck with less worrying if they're going to break or bend, go for the Thunders. But if you want the greatest turn you can find and don't care about the risk of bad QC, then go with Ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: radcunt on June 17, 2020, 08:11:14 PM
What bushings should I pop in my new 215s?  I use Bones Med in my 169s, but with the wider hanger, would it be better to run a hard bushing?  I like my trucks pretty loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AngryBlackMan on June 17, 2020, 08:50:56 PM
I tried to like my Ace 55s.  Tried them on an 8.62 with a 14.5wb and on a 9” shaped board with a 14.25.  I felt like they were too turny, to the point of having less control during some tricks. I was running them with bones hard and an inverted kingpin.  I wound up putting my 169s back on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on June 17, 2020, 09:43:15 PM
Quote from: AngryBlackMan on June 17, 2020, 08:50:56 PM
I tried to like my Ace 55s.  Tried them on an 8.62 with a 14.5wb and on a 9” shaped board with a 14.25.  I felt like they were too turny, to the point of having less control during some tricks. I was running them with bones hard and an inverted kingpin.  I wound up putting my 169s back on.
selling? Feel like my 169 are too turny.Tightened and the bushings split.  Stock bushings? Your weight?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 18, 2020, 10:25:21 AM
I'm also in the 44s on 8.5s camp. 55s are way too big for me on an 8.5. Extra washers or not I don't really notice much difference. Never had a any QC issues on Ace and I've got to axle on several pairs (they do grind down quick).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AngryBlackMan on June 18, 2020, 02:55:04 PM
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I tried to like my Ace 55s.  Tried them on an 8.62 with a 14.5wb and on a 9” shaped board with a 14.25.  I felt like they were too turny, to the point of having less control during some tricks. I was running them with bones hard and an inverted kingpin.  I wound up putting my 169s back on.
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selling? Feel like my 169 are too turny.Tightened and the bushings split.  Stock bushings? Your weight?

Tried to pm you. Hit me up, I’ll sell them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on June 19, 2020, 08:59:26 AM
Quote from: radcunt on June 17, 2020, 08:11:14 PM
What bushings should I pop in my new 215s?  I use Bones Med in my 169s, but with the wider hanger, would it be better to run a hard bushing?  I like my trucks pretty loose.

Indy Genuine replacement parts "conical" orange are the ticket for 215s in my opinion.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Juanjo789 on June 21, 2020, 12:12:50 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/aNCPP5o.png)
I took this screenshot from Ronnie's ig story a while back and I'm wondering what top bushings are those. Im thinking bones maybe?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Studio Ghibli on June 21, 2020, 12:38:01 AM
Hi,

I just switched from independent to ace. I’m having a hard time with the bushings. I haven’t changed the factory tightness but the bushings keep jumping out of the washers, if that does make any sense. This makes the Trucks pretty much unskateable. They’re wobbling arround and lock in that crooked position.

Did anyone have the same issue?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on June 21, 2020, 03:48:33 AM
i need to replace the bushings in my thunder 148s..they had the clear orange kind in them. which duro are those? which of their truck rebuild kits do i get?

also, with the past three sets of 148s i have noticed the part of the truck that goes into the pivot cup wiggles from side to side about a week after skating them. what are some good pivot cups i can get that will fit?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on June 21, 2020, 06:47:23 AM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on June 21, 2020, 03:48:33 AM
i need to replace the bushings in my thunder 148s..they had the clear orange kind in them. which duro are those? which of their truck rebuild kits do i get?

also, with the past three sets of 148s i have noticed the part of the truck that goes into the pivot cup wiggles from side to side about a week after skating them. what are some good pivot cups i can get that will fit?

Put Krux bushings in mine, works well so far, although it’s only been two days since I got them. Clear orange bushings were way too soft.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 21, 2020, 07:52:20 AM
I skate the red team bushings and they seemed to be really loose, then stiffen up....

I've always thought the thunder pivot is smaller so I didn't think any other cup would be better.

The thing about thunder bushings is at least the lower bushing is taller than most no? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Juanjo789 on June 21, 2020, 07:20:47 PM
are fs/bs airs easier or harder with loose trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DA BIG BODY BENZ on June 21, 2020, 07:34:12 PM
Venture low 5.0(7.75/48mm)with bones hard bushings. Keep them medium tight. Love'em
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on June 22, 2020, 09:21:44 AM
Quote from: Studio Ghibli on June 21, 2020, 12:38:01 AM
Hi,

I just switched from independent to ace. I’m having a hard time with the bushings. I haven’t changed the factory tightness but the bushings keep jumping out of the washers, if that does make any sense. This makes the Trucks pretty much unskateable. They’re wobbling arround and lock in that crooked position.

Did anyone have the same issue?

Yep.  Multiple people have reported it - including me.  People say that they stiffen up and stop doing it - but I haven't tried. I just replace them.  Other folks say that the boardside bushing may need to be flipped - there is one side that is machined and one side that is not, so I guess that could theoretically matter.   The reality is that ACE just needs to provide slightly bigger washers.  I have thought about looking through my parts drawer to see if any other washers I have are bigger and could make them work - but I am just skating other bushings instead.

A while ago I measured a bunch of bottom bushings with calipers.  They were all between .53" and .55" - so you can run whatever.  Mini Logo, Bones, Indy, Thunder.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on June 22, 2020, 10:21:51 AM
Quote from: backinaction on June 22, 2020, 09:21:44 AM
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Hi,

I just switched from independent to ace. I’m having a hard time with the bushings. I haven’t changed the factory tightness but the bushings keep jumping out of the washers, if that does make any sense. This makes the Trucks pretty much unskateable. They’re wobbling arround and lock in that crooked position.

Did anyone have the same issue?
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Yep.  Multiple people have reported it - including me.  People say that they stiffen up and stop doing it - but I haven't tried. I just replace them.  Other folks say that the boardside bushing may need to be flipped - there is one side that is machined and one side that is not, so I guess that could theoretically matter.   The reality is that ACE just needs to provide slightly bigger washers.  I have thought about looking through my parts drawer to see if any other washers I have are bigger and could make them work - but I am just skating other bushings instead.

A while ago I measured a bunch of bottom bushings with calipers.  They were all between .53" and .55" - so you can run whatever.  Mini Logo, Bones, Indy, Thunder.....

Was happening on my homies Aces yesterday, one truck the bottom bushing was bulging over the washer and on the other truck the top bushing was bulging out a bit. They’re pretty new and still breaking in, but would be annoying if that continues to happen.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solid bowlcut on June 22, 2020, 10:49:03 AM
Mine did that too when i started riding them. I just put it back in there, tightened my trucks little bit and loosened back when they were broken in. Also could try Indy washers, they might be little bigger(?)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 22, 2020, 10:52:51 AM
Quote from: Solid bowlcut on June 22, 2020, 10:49:03 AM
Mine did that too when i started riding them. I just put it back in there, tightened my trucks little bit and loosened back when they were broken in. Also could try Indy washers, they might be little bigger(?)

The stock Indy washers will work as they have sort for a 'flange' cup VS. the ACE (or indy aftermarket cups), if you look at thunders (yes they are too small) they have the same \______/ - ACE and Indy after market are very 'cuppy' in comparison |_________|. I'm riding flat washers with the ACEs (but also a low top).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Skateandbones on June 22, 2020, 07:51:21 PM
I'm new to skating and I have indy 149. The stock bushings felt very loose to me. I cranked them down and they got stuck when I'd ollie.I'm 199lbs so I think that is why. I ordered bones hard bushings.

That is my contribution to this thread.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on June 23, 2020, 01:14:38 PM
Quote from: Skateandbones on June 22, 2020, 07:51:21 PM
I'm new to skating and I have indy 149. The stock bushings felt very loose to me. I cranked them down and they got stuck when I'd ollie.I'm 199lbs so I think that is why. I ordered bones hard bushings.

That is my contribution to this thread.

I just put bones hards in my independent 144s and they feel perfect. You don't have to tighten the axle nut down to make them turn good. I weigh about 180.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on June 23, 2020, 02:40:34 PM
Quote from: Juanjo789 on June 21, 2020, 12:12:50 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/aNCPP5o.png)
I took this screenshot from Ronnie's ig story a while back and I'm wondering what top bushings are those. Im thinking bones maybe?

Maybe Indy grp hard cones
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thelonelynow on June 23, 2020, 03:31:06 PM
Quote from: Skateandbones on June 22, 2020, 07:51:21 PM
I'm new to skating and I have indy 149. The stock bushings felt very loose to me. I cranked them down and they got stuck when I'd ollie.I'm 199lbs so I think that is why. I ordered bones hard bushings.

That is my contribution to this thread.

The older (pre-China) bushings were a bit softer and took a bit longer to break-in. The new ones are more firm and took me like just an hour or two to completely break-in. Whichever ones you have I would stick with the stock bushings for a bit. Do not crank them down right away! Skate them with the kingpin nut somewhere around flush with the top of the kingpin and just cruise around for a while, they should break-in relatively quick. Only after breaking them in would I do further tightening or loosening if needed. If you crank them down before they're broken in they're just going to get cuts in them from the washers and never feel right. If you have the older bushings, which are easily identifiable by having air bubbles or defects and excess urethane tags hanging onto the bottom edge you can get some Indy replacement bushings which are the same as the ones that come stock on the trucks now and are really good! I also recommend Riptide Pivot Cups, which will get rid of any pivot squeak and help re-center your trucks after turning. They make breaking in a new set of trucks a much smoother experience in my opinion. Hope that helps!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 23, 2020, 04:39:52 PM
Quote from: thelonelynow on June 23, 2020, 03:31:06 PM
Quote from: Skateandbones on June 22, 2020, 07:51:21 PM
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I'm new to skating and I have indy 149. The stock bushings felt very loose to me. I cranked them down and they got stuck when I'd ollie.I'm 199lbs so I think that is why. I ordered bones hard bushings.

That is my contribution to this thread.
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The older (pre-China) bushings were a bit softer and took a bit longer to break-in. The new ones are more firm and took me like just an hour or two to completely break-in. Whichever ones you have I would stick with the stock bushings for a bit. Do not crank them down right away! Skate them with the kingpin nut somewhere around flush with the top of the kingpin and just cruise around for a while, they should break-in relatively quick. Only after breaking them in would I do further tightening or loosening if needed. If you crank them down before they're broken in they're just going to get cuts in them from the washers and never feel right. If you have the older bushings, which are easily identifiable by having air bubbles or defects and excess urethane tags hanging onto the bottom edge you can get some Indy replacement bushings which are the same as the ones that come stock on the trucks now and are really good! I also recommend Riptide Pivot Cups, which will get rid of any pivot squeak and help re-center your trucks after turning. They make breaking in a new set of trucks a much smoother experience in my opinion. Hope that helps!

I've a new set if 159s I've been skating Bushings seem ok, better than the old stocks but no clue if they are the same caliber as after markets (assuming not).  I cranked them down 1.5 turns before skating them (let them sit that way overnight) then loosened to flush on first skate (then loosened again). 90a is just too hard for my liking for new bushings (but they're great when they break in, I'm just lazy). I usually drop in 88a aftermarkets or bones softs on everything but thunders due to the tall bottom bushing....but I'm getting to the point where I'm like fuckit and just dropping in bones bottoms and giving no shits about the geo change
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on June 23, 2020, 04:55:59 PM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on June 21, 2020, 03:48:33 AM
i need to replace the bushings in my thunder 148s..they had the clear orange kind in them. which duro are those? which of their truck rebuild kits do i get?

also, with the past three sets of 148s i have noticed the part of the truck that goes into the pivot cup wiggles from side to side about a week after skating them. what are some good pivot cups i can get that will fit?
Stock Thunder bushings are 90a so either the red rebuild kit or the white or clear yellow tube.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on June 23, 2020, 10:01:26 PM
Quote from: Xen on June 23, 2020, 04:39:52 PM
Quote from: thelonelynow on June 23, 2020, 03:31:06 PM
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Quote from: Skateandbones on June 22, 2020, 07:51:21 PM
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I'm new to skating and I have indy 149. The stock bushings felt very loose to me. I cranked them down and they got stuck when I'd ollie.I'm 199lbs so I think that is why. I ordered bones hard bushings.

That is my contribution to this thread.
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The older (pre-China) bushings were a bit softer and took a bit longer to break-in. The new ones are more firm and took me like just an hour or two to completely break-in. Whichever ones you have I would stick with the stock bushings for a bit. Do not crank them down right away! Skate them with the kingpin nut somewhere around flush with the top of the kingpin and just cruise around for a while, they should break-in relatively quick. Only after breaking them in would I do further tightening or loosening if needed. If you crank them down before they're broken in they're just going to get cuts in them from the washers and never feel right. If you have the older bushings, which are easily identifiable by having air bubbles or defects and excess urethane tags hanging onto the bottom edge you can get some Indy replacement bushings which are the same as the ones that come stock on the trucks now and are really good! I also recommend Riptide Pivot Cups, which will get rid of any pivot squeak and help re-center your trucks after turning. They make breaking in a new set of trucks a much smoother experience in my opinion. Hope that helps!
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I've a new set if 159s I've been skating Bushings seem ok, better than the old stocks but no clue if they are the same caliber as after markets (assuming not).  I cranked them down 1.5 turns before skating them (let them sit that way overnight) then loosened to flush on first skate (then loosened again). 90a is just too hard for my liking for new bushings (but they're great when they break in, I'm just lazy). I usually drop in 88a aftermarkets or bones softs on everything but thunders due to the tall bottom bushing....but I'm getting to the point where I'm like fuckit and just dropping in bones bottoms and giving no shits about the geo change

I measured with calipers. Indy, thunder and bones are all the same height.

Ace (white out of a 66) : .53" tall
Mini Logo (Soft Green) : .53"
Thunder (red 90a aftermarket) : .55"
Indy (blue 92a conical) : .545"
Bones (black hard) : .55"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 23, 2020, 11:30:14 PM
That's interesting in that I've heard bones don't work well in thunders, but others disagree....ill have to try it at some point. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on June 24, 2020, 08:12:47 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 23, 2020, 11:30:14 PM
That's interesting in that I've heard bones don't work well in thunders, but others disagree....ill have to try it at some point.

Bones in Thunders = Bushings break after 1 week, if that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on June 24, 2020, 09:59:53 AM
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That's interesting in that I've heard bones don't work well in thunders, but others disagree....ill have to try it at some point.
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Bones in Thunders = Bushings break after 1 week, if that.

Yep. Not sure what it is but same happens to me. Although I saw Dylan used bones in his and I believe Suciu does as well. Not sure what the setup is for them not to break i'd love to know.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sweet pee on June 24, 2020, 10:03:02 AM
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That's interesting in that I've heard bones don't work well in thunders, but others disagree....ill have to try it at some point.
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Bones in Thunders = Bushings break after 1 week, if that.
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Yep. Not sure what it is but same happens to me. Although I saw Dylan used bones in his and I believe Suciu does as well. Not sure what the setup is for them not to break i'd love to know.

I've had this happen to me as well when using medium and soft Bones bushings in a few different sets of Thunder (cast and forged plates).
They work great for about a week, then the bottom bushing inevitably smooshes in around the plastic insert.
Note: I haven't tried Bones hard bushings, so I can't confirm if the same thing happens there.

Thunder aftermarkets are the best replacement in Thunders IMO...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on June 24, 2020, 10:19:05 AM
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That's interesting in that I've heard bones don't work well in thunders, but others disagree....ill have to try it at some point.
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Bones in Thunders = Bushings break after 1 week, if that.
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Yep. Not sure what it is but same happens to me. Although I saw Dylan used bones in his and I believe Suciu does as well. Not sure what the setup is for them not to break i'd love to know.
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I've had this happen to me as well when using medium and soft Bones bushings in a few different sets of Thunder (cast and forged plates).
They work great for about a week, then the bottom bushing inevitably smooshes in around the plastic insert.
Note: I haven't tried Bones hard bushings, so I can't confirm if the same thing happens there.

Thunder aftermarkets are the best replacement in Thunders IMO...

For everyone having Thunder / Bones problems - are you ditching the bottom washer? 

The bushing is the same height as the Thunder, so the washer needs to stay.  I ran Bones in Thunder for a while and did not have issues.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mink on June 24, 2020, 11:10:05 AM
Quote from: Skateandbones on June 22, 2020, 07:51:21 PM
I'm new to skating and I have indy 149. The stock bushings felt very loose to me. I cranked them down and they got stuck when I'd ollie.I'm 199lbs so I think that is why. I ordered bones hard bushings.

That is my contribution to this thread.

I have 149s on two set ups, one with Bones hards and the other with mediums. I’m a few pounds lighter than you.

I think the Hards will give you the stability you want without having to crank your trucks (I have them flush). If not, I’d try the Indy super hards. They are cheap so worth a try if you can track some down.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on June 24, 2020, 11:19:14 AM
I wish thunder sold those transparent ice blue bushings that come on their stock trucks like indy does with their orange ones. kinda split the top bushing on one of mine and don't want to replace them because it's gonna throw them off for me. really like the color of the bushings, just turned the bushing around a bit because I can't find them in that color, hoping it was just a freak thing because I'm really liking thunder.

really stupid but the color of the bushings is surprisingly more important to me than I thought. like having white bushings on my ventures was throwing me off, had to have purple ones. so fucking stupid, but dlx should put their bushings out like indy does.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on June 24, 2020, 04:44:53 PM
 https://www.instagram.com/p/CB0gm52lZrW/?igshid=1fft1env6vbhb (https://www.instagram.com/p/CB0gm52lZrW/?igshid=1fft1env6vbhb)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 24, 2020, 06:12:54 PM
Quote from: texasplant on June 24, 2020, 04:44:53 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB0gm52lZrW/?igshid=1fft1env6vbhb (https://www.instagram.com/p/CB0gm52lZrW/?igshid=1fft1env6vbhb)

Krux 2020 incoming! :)

I'll give them shot - lame ugly hex pin tho, should have just gone with their DL pins (unless those are going to disappear).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on June 24, 2020, 07:07:49 PM
Quote from: texasplant on June 24, 2020, 04:44:53 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB0gm52lZrW/?igshid=1fft1env6vbhb (https://www.instagram.com/p/CB0gm52lZrW/?igshid=1fft1env6vbhb)

Nice! If the turn has improved a lot then I’ll give them a shot for sure
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on June 25, 2020, 04:47:15 AM
those trucks look really good.

would putting a krux kingpin in a pair of thunders be a good move? i like the way it looks but how does it perform?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on June 25, 2020, 05:07:11 AM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on June 25, 2020, 04:47:15 AM
those trucks look really good.

would putting a krux kingpin in a pair of thunders be a good move? i like the way it looks but how does it perform?

I've done it and it performed pretty good. Only thing is you may need to shave down the nut because mine stuck out from the baseplate just a little bit. They added a ton of clearance as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 25, 2020, 10:16:20 AM
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those trucks look really good.

would putting a krux kingpin in a pair of thunders be a good move? i like the way it looks but how does it perform?
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I've done it and it performed pretty good. Only thing is you may need to shave down the nut because mine stuck out from the baseplate just a little bit. They added a ton of clearance as well.

The current Krux DLK and cast Thunder plates work perfect; as noted above on forged plates the nut will stick out (down?) just a little bit, but will dig into the deck when you tighten your trucks and it doesn't cause an issue (it really only sticks out a small amount).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on June 25, 2020, 07:02:58 PM
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those trucks look really good.

would putting a krux kingpin in a pair of thunders be a good move? i like the way it looks but how does it perform?
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I've done it and it performed pretty good. Only thing is you may need to shave down the nut because mine stuck out from the baseplate just a little bit. They added a ton of clearance as well.
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The current Krux DLK and cast Thunder plates work perfect; as noted above on forged plates the nut will stick out (down?) just a little bit, but will dig into the deck when you tighten your trucks and it doesn't cause an issue (it really only sticks out a small amount).

I tried running them in my last set of Thunders and it didn’t work out for me. They made a weird clicking sound when I pinched them that drove me crazy, and the baseplates didn’t hold the kingpin nut in place so I had to remove the trucks to tighten or loosen them. Your results may vary though, perhaps I fucked up installing them. I just file the kingpin down a bit with a metal file if doing a few feebles/smiths on a curb doesn’t take care of them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on June 25, 2020, 07:51:57 PM
whats the easiest truck to transition to from thunder? I see a lot of you go from indy to venture out indy to ace without issues. rarely hear anything about thunder on that front
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on June 25, 2020, 07:55:33 PM


Quote from: texasplant on June 24, 2020, 04:44:53 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB0gm52lZrW/?igshid=1fft1env6vbhb (https://www.instagram.com/p/CB0gm52lZrW/?igshid=1fft1env6vbhb)




this is most likley the same kingpin as the the new indy mids.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on June 25, 2020, 08:46:59 PM
Quote from: off on June 25, 2020, 07:51:57 PM
whats the easiest truck to transition to from thunder? I see a lot of you go from indy to venture out indy to ace without issues. rarely hear anything about thunder on that front

I guess Ventures, or Tensor atgs actually. Why switch tho
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sadnocomply on June 25, 2020, 08:51:24 PM
Quote from: off on June 25, 2020, 07:51:57 PM
whats the easiest truck to transition to from thunder? I see a lot of you go from indy to venture out indy to ace without issues. rarely hear anything about thunder on that front
you ride 151s right? Tough to say honestly dude. 6.1s might be too beastly and 159s the same. I’m over here on 5.6 ventures for 6 months, favorite truck of my life so far lol.

I will say if I was going for a beast truck 8.5 or above I would rank it indy,ace,venture,thunder, & the rest in that order. Something about indy and ace over 8.5 axles seem to be godly. You get the stability of other brands with the wide hanger and the extra height makes up for bigger wheels and potentially more pop.

Depending on how much your thunders weigh you might want to reconsider everything I have mentioned. Pretty sure thunder has one of the lightest if not lightest “raw” 8.75 trucks.

If you go hollows or lights on your next truck we might need to rethink this thoroughly
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on June 25, 2020, 09:25:39 PM
probably should have included that im not interested in switching off my 151 hollow/light variants bar random madness, just interested in the opinions
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on June 25, 2020, 10:41:48 PM
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whats the easiest truck to transition to from thunder? I see a lot of you go from indy to venture out indy to ace without issues. rarely hear anything about thunder on that front
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I guess Ventures, or Tensor atgs actually. Why switch tho

Tensor ATG, similar weight and WB extension as Thunder cast plates with less wheel rub during slides.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solid bowlcut on June 25, 2020, 11:09:19 PM
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I guess Ventures, or Tensor atgs actually. Why switch tho
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Tensor ATG, similar weight and WB extension as Thunder cast plates with less wheel rub during slides.
I would say Ventures. The height made Tensors feel more like Indy to me personally.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on June 25, 2020, 11:19:31 PM
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I guess Ventures, or Tensor atgs actually. Why switch tho
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Tensor ATG, similar weight and WB extension as Thunder cast plates with less wheel rub during slides.
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I would say Ventures. The height made Tensors feel more like Indy to me personally.


I switched back and forth between GK and thunders mostly in the 90s. Was pretty similar in height and turn. The kp didn't break as much in the GK unless you're talking the Allen key hole closing up.

That was definitely the same turn almost. Maybe the disruptor is the same?

Maybe try the tracker darts. It's low and it turns better than the old Indy lows.

I'm into venture highs right now then Ace then thunders.

It's hard to buy a tracker and a GK they're not in shops out here.

I think like oddballs is the only place to score both
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on June 26, 2020, 10:04:09 AM
has anyone tried using standard indy hangars on the forged baseplates?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on June 26, 2020, 10:09:31 AM
Quote from: sketchyrider on June 26, 2020, 10:04:09 AM
has anyone tried using standard indy hangars on the forged baseplates?

I have, it works just fine they're the same shape, the forged are just thinner
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 26, 2020, 11:28:30 AM
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I guess Ventures, or Tensor atgs actually. Why switch tho
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Tensor ATG, similar weight and WB extension as Thunder cast plates with less wheel rub during slides.
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I would say Ventures. The height made Tensors feel more like Indy to me personally.

ATGs are much more responsive than Indys.

The odd thing about them is they are decidedly neutral in every [good] way; great turn, light, great pop, stable on center, very little wheel bite, nice stock bushings, excellent build quality, warranty, etc., they're just 'missing' a tensor 'trait', i.e., they don't carve slow or fast, or have a short baseplate, extended or tighten the WB too much or too little...are not hard to mount to your board, aren't twitchy, loose, carvey, etc., they just skate well and do what you need them to do (and if  you get maglights, grinds for days and stupid, stupid light).

Honestly if they did a hollow aluminum truck I bet they'd get more traction.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on June 26, 2020, 12:16:44 PM
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whats the easiest truck to transition to from thunder? I see a lot of you go from indy to venture out indy to ace without issues. rarely hear anything about thunder on that front
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I guess Ventures, or Tensor atgs actually. Why switch tho
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Tensor ATG, similar weight and WB extension as Thunder cast plates with less wheel rub during slides.
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I would say Ventures. The height made Tensors feel more like Indy to me personally.
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ATGs are much more responsive than Indys.

The odd thing about them is they are decidedly neutral in every [good] way; great turn, light, great pop, stable on center, very little wheel bite, nice stock bushings, excellent build quality, warranty, etc., they're just 'missing' a tensor 'trait', i.e., they don't carve slow or fast, or have a short baseplate, extended or tighten the WB too much or too little...are not hard to mount to your board, aren't twitchy, loose, carvey, etc., they just skate well and do what you need them to do (and if  you get maglights, grinds for days and stupid, stupid light).

Honestly if they did a hollow aluminum truck I bet they'd get more traction.
I agree. That makes me like ATG's even more. no specific flaw.. do what you need them to. Like a good pair of shoes you forget about when you're wearing them. Just fit good, feel good.
Funny the 3 trucks I am riding now are ATG aluminum, Venture, and Indy.. but all different sizes so it is a bit trickier to pick out the exact differences in feel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solid bowlcut on June 27, 2020, 05:39:56 AM
Does any of you guys ever change front and back trucks around? I got the idea to try it with my current pair of trucks and was curious to hear if anybody here does that on regular.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on June 27, 2020, 06:21:46 AM
Quote from: Solid bowlcut on June 27, 2020, 05:39:56 AM
Does any of you guys ever change front and back trucks around? I got the idea to try it with my current pair of trucks and was curious to hear if anybody here does that on regular.

I don’t do it regularly, but my front truck grooves a lot quicker than my back, so when i hit the bone on my front truck I’ll switch if it’s a set of trucks I really like and want to get the most from.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 27, 2020, 07:12:36 AM
I've contemplated doing this too but just get new trucks instead...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 27, 2020, 08:56:30 AM
Quote from: Solid bowlcut on June 27, 2020, 05:39:56 AM
Does any of you guys ever change front and back trucks around? I got the idea to try it with my current pair of trucks and was curious to hear if anybody here does that on regular.

I do. Once I get to axle on the back, I switch them around. Creates some interesting grooves and prolongs truck life. I keep them both the same looseness so its fine on that front.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Live Fast Johnny on June 27, 2020, 09:07:23 AM
Quote from: off on June 25, 2020, 07:51:57 PM
whats the easiest truck to transition to from thunder? I see a lot of you go from indy to venture out indy to ace without issues. rarely hear anything about thunder on that front

I have ridden Thunder Team Hollow II's 149's since the re-design and more or less love them.  Out of curiosity I tried some Venture V Lite Hollow 5.8's and found them really similar, even with the different baseplate.  Similar stability and control for me, being just a little bit more surfy, especially after a trick.

Conversely, the hardest to go to were some Films I tried a couple of months ago.  After they broke in they were just so turny that they made the board feel tiny and out of control all the time.  They were also really hard to get a pop out of for me.  Very well made, just not my thing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on June 27, 2020, 02:00:09 PM
Quote from: Solid bowlcut on June 27, 2020, 05:39:56 AM
Does any of you guys ever change front and back trucks around? I got the idea to try it with my current pair of trucks and was curious to hear if anybody here does that on regular.

Yup just hit axle on my front and didn't wanna retire these trucks anytime soon yet so did a lil switch up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on June 27, 2020, 03:54:37 PM
Anyone know if yellow Doh-Doh’s fit well on Thunders ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 27, 2020, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: TheBoognish on June 27, 2020, 03:54:37 PM
Anyone know if yellow Doh-Doh’s fit well on Thunders ?

Only thunder (bottoms) really fit well in Thunders; No other bushings are as tall as Thunder bottoms, at least none that I have found.

Bones work well enough, plenty of pros do it (dylan did it). Two flat washer+bones is about the same height as sock thunder bottom w/cup washer. I ran bones softs in the thunders for a few month, skate great.

I'd image that when the thunder bottom flattens ou-t you can't notice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on June 27, 2020, 04:37:13 PM
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Anyone know if yellow Doh-Doh’s fit well on Thunders ?
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Only thunder (bottoms) really fit well in Thunders; No other bushings are as tall as Thunder bottoms, at least none that I have found.

Bones work well enough, plenty of pros do it (dylan did it). Two flat washer+bones is about the same height as sock thunder bottom w/cup washer. I ran bones softs in the thunders for a few month, skate great.

I'd image that when the thunder bottom flattens ou-t you can't notice.
I’m running a Krux bushing on the bottom and stock Thunder (gold-ish) on top, and I really like it. I ride them medium-loose.

 It’s just my local shop got a Doh Doh shipment in and I used to run them in all my truck set ups for about ten years... i just really like them.

At 205 lbs, i’m not the biggest fan of conical bushings, especially on Thunders... the wheelbite is out of this world.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on June 27, 2020, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: Solid bowlcut on June 27, 2020, 05:39:56 AM
Does any of you guys ever change front and back trucks around? I got the idea to try it with my current pair of trucks and was curious to hear if anybody here does that on regular.
Never had done it but sure I will, I'll just change the bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on June 27, 2020, 08:46:06 PM
Quote from: Solid bowlcut on June 27, 2020, 05:39:56 AM
Does any of you guys ever change front and back trucks around? I got the idea to try it with my current pair of trucks and was curious to hear if anybody here does that on regular.
I literally just did because my trucks kept pulling to the right and it wasn't the bushings because they're brand new and the pivot cups and axles are fine. Plus they were mounted straight. It seems to have fixed the problem tho.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on June 28, 2020, 01:26:14 AM
ace bottoms in thunders is my favorite bushing swap
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on June 28, 2020, 02:04:24 AM
Quote from: off on June 28, 2020, 01:26:14 AM
ace bottoms in thunders is my favorite bushing swap

the lows?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebaggy on June 28, 2020, 07:59:13 AM
Quote from: off on June 28, 2020, 01:26:14 AM
ace bottoms in thunders is my favorite bushing swap

Nice. I gotta question. Currently skating 147 hangars on these 149 forged baseplates with medium indy bushings, sans bottom washer ( very comfortable ride, wheelbase feels a bit shortened ). I'm almost forced to skate small thunders due to ankle injuries and surgeries in the past, but I still cannot get over how shitty they grind on concrete sometimes, or how I'll just stick on tail slides while going fast. Fuckin back blunts feel easier most of the time.
  Question is regarding ventures, and whether or not they have that same flatline turn that thunders do...and if they grind better, perhaps like indys do?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solid bowlcut on June 28, 2020, 08:13:21 AM
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ace bottoms in thunders is my favorite bushing swap
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Nice. I gotta question. Currently skating 147 hangars on these 149 forged baseplates with medium indy bushings, sans bottom washer ( very comfortable ride, wheelbase feels a bit shortened ). I'm almost forced to skate small thunders due to ankle injuries and surgeries in the past, but I still cannot get over how shitty they grind on concrete sometimes, or how I'll just stick on tail slides while going fast. Fuckin back blunts feel easier most of the time.
  Question is regarding ventures, and whether or not they have that same flatline turn that thunders do...and if they grind better, perhaps like indys do?
Ventures def have harder grind than Indys and Thunders and i had trouble sometimes grinding with them if i didn't wax. Turn also isn't as sharp.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebaggy on June 28, 2020, 08:14:37 AM
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ace bottoms in thunders is my favorite bushing swap
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Nice. I gotta question. Currently skating 147 hangars on these 149 forged baseplates with medium indy bushings, sans bottom washer ( very comfortable ride, wheelbase feels a bit shortened ). I'm almost forced to skate small thunders due to ankle injuries and surgeries in the past, but I still cannot get over how shitty they grind on concrete sometimes, or how I'll just stick on tail slides while going fast. Fuckin back blunts feel easier most of the time.
  Question is regarding ventures, and whether or not they have that same flatline turn that thunders do...and if they grind better, perhaps like indys do?
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Ventures def have harder grind than Indys and Thunders and i had trouble sometimes grinding with them if i didn't wax. Turn also isn't as sharp.

Damn ok. I appreciate the intel. Would be nice to have a quick low truck with soft ass metal ala ACE
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solid bowlcut on June 28, 2020, 08:17:27 AM
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ace bottoms in thunders is my favorite bushing swap
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Nice. I gotta question. Currently skating 147 hangars on these 149 forged baseplates with medium indy bushings, sans bottom washer ( very comfortable ride, wheelbase feels a bit shortened ). I'm almost forced to skate small thunders due to ankle injuries and surgeries in the past, but I still cannot get over how shitty they grind on concrete sometimes, or how I'll just stick on tail slides while going fast. Fuckin back blunts feel easier most of the time.
  Question is regarding ventures, and whether or not they have that same flatline turn that thunders do...and if they grind better, perhaps like indys do?
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Ventures def have harder grind than Indys and Thunders and i had trouble sometimes grinding with them if i didn't wax. Turn also isn't as sharp.
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Damn ok. I appreciate the intel. Would be nice to have a quick low truck with soft ass metal ala ACE
Ace lows maybe? I don't have any experiences with them tho
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebaggy on June 28, 2020, 08:18:47 AM
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ace bottoms in thunders is my favorite bushing swap
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Nice. I gotta question. Currently skating 147 hangars on these 149 forged baseplates with medium indy bushings, sans bottom washer ( very comfortable ride, wheelbase feels a bit shortened ). I'm almost forced to skate small thunders due to ankle injuries and surgeries in the past, but I still cannot get over how shitty they grind on concrete sometimes, or how I'll just stick on tail slides while going fast. Fuckin back blunts feel easier most of the time.
  Question is regarding ventures, and whether or not they have that same flatline turn that thunders do...and if they grind better, perhaps like indys do?
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Ventures def have harder grind than Indys and Thunders and i had trouble sometimes grinding with them if i didn't wax. Turn also isn't as sharp.
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Damn ok. I appreciate the intel. Would be nice to have a quick low truck with soft ass metal ala ACE
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Ace lows maybe? I don't have any experiences with them tho

This is a revelation to me. Might be the answer. Dudnt even know ace made a low truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 28, 2020, 10:54:43 AM
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ace bottoms in thunders is my favorite bushing swap
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Nice. I gotta question. Currently skating 147 hangars on these 149 forged baseplates with medium indy bushings, sans bottom washer ( very comfortable ride, wheelbase feels a bit shortened ). I'm almost forced to skate small thunders due to ankle injuries and surgeries in the past, but I still cannot get over how shitty they grind on concrete sometimes, or how I'll just stick on tail slides while going fast. Fuckin back blunts feel easier most of the time.
  Question is regarding ventures, and whether or not they have that same flatline turn that thunders do...and if they grind better, perhaps like indys do?
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Ventures def have harder grind than Indys and Thunders and i had trouble sometimes grinding with them if i didn't wax. Turn also isn't as sharp.
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Damn ok. I appreciate the intel. Would be nice to have a quick low truck with soft ass metal ala ACE
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Ace lows maybe? I don't have any experiences with them tho
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This is a revelation to me. Might be the answer. Dudnt even know ace made a low truck

Someone (@Tom) has been skating some 03s (8" lows) and has posted them in the setup thread. Also FWIW standard Ace are only 52mm tall, so lower than Indys or cast Ventures (same height as the forged his tho).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 28, 2020, 11:04:12 AM
I want ace lows just because I want all of the trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on June 28, 2020, 12:40:46 PM
Ace lows are nice. My homie dayo has them on his get around.

Outstanding turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solid bowlcut on June 28, 2020, 12:44:17 PM
Quote from: Ok on June 28, 2020, 11:04:12 AM
I want ace lows just because I want all of the trucks.
Gotta catch 'em all
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on June 28, 2020, 01:20:09 PM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on June 28, 2020, 02:04:24 AM
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ace bottoms in thunders is my favorite bushing swap
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the lows?
classics. almost the same height as the stock thunder bottoms
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cjt on June 29, 2020, 07:03:53 PM
Odd setup I threw together last second today to get an extra board out to the park. Indy 149 with khiro 95a cylinder with no bottom washer, and a broken in orange indy small cone with a washer. I weigh around 225, but it felt tight truck stable until I decided to start carving hair-pin figure 8's!

(https://i.imgur.com/8iJ262n.jpg)

I usually ride super loose rattley Daewon style with khiro 95a hard core cones, but the stability felt cool while still having the insane quick turn ability.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on July 01, 2020, 05:46:42 AM
Quote from: cjt on June 29, 2020, 07:03:53 PM
Odd setup I threw together last second today to get an extra board out to the park. Indy 149 with khiro 95a cylinder with no bottom washer, and a broken in orange indy small cone with a washer. I weigh around 225, but it felt tight truck stable until I decided to start carving hair-pin figure 8's!

(https://i.imgur.com/8iJ262n.jpg)

I usually ride super loose rattley Daewon style with khiro 95a hard core cones, but the stability felt cool while still having the insane quick turn ability.

Does it return to center without a bottom washer?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cjt on July 01, 2020, 09:57:44 AM
Quote from: Banned from the room on July 01, 2020, 05:46:42 AM
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Odd setup I threw together last second today to get an extra board out to the park. Indy 149 with khiro 95a cylinder with no bottom washer, and a broken in orange indy small cone with a washer. I weigh around 225, but it felt tight truck stable until I decided to start carving hair-pin figure 8's!

(https://i.imgur.com/8iJ262n.jpg)

I usually ride super loose rattley Daewon style with khiro 95a hard core cones, but the stability felt cool while still having the insane quick turn ability.
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Does it return to center without a bottom washer?

So far, yes. It's already starting to mold around the plate, though, so I'm thinking it's not gonna work long term. I'm all for bottom washer if I can make it fit. I've tried longer kingpins and don't like losing the clearance. Should I shave off some of the cylinder bottom bushing?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 01, 2020, 10:36:30 AM
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Odd setup I threw together last second today to get an extra board out to the park. Indy 149 with khiro 95a cylinder with no bottom washer, and a broken in orange indy small cone with a washer. I weigh around 225, but it felt tight truck stable until I decided to start carving hair-pin figure 8's!

(https://i.imgur.com/8iJ262n.jpg)

I usually ride super loose rattley Daewon style with khiro 95a hard core cones, but the stability felt cool while still having the insane quick turn ability.
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Does it return to center without a bottom washer?
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So far, yes. It's already starting to mold around the plate, though, so I'm thinking it's not gonna work long term. I'm all for bottom washer if I can make it fit. I've tried longer kingpins and don't like losing the clearance. Should I shave off some of the cylinder bottom bushing?

Low bushings all around?

Get some low tops maybe? I use low (ace) tops in Indys and shave down the tops in Thunders.

Indy aftermarket bottoms are shorter than stock (or, at least old stocks).

What is it you are trying to do?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lozo on July 01, 2020, 06:34:15 PM
Hello,

I am quite new to these forums as a user, but was able to use information from another discussion on SLAP for deciding on a new deck (went with an 8' 14wb)

That being said I am not super knowledgeable about trucks, been using my housemates second set up of Thunder 147 hollow lights and have not been a fan.

My kook question is what would you all recommend for a board that size, and for someone who wants to skate street/technical primarily.

Thank you
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 01, 2020, 06:41:33 PM
147s are the appropriate size. Can you tell us what you didn’t like about them so we can redirect you to a truck that you may be more comfortable with?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 01, 2020, 06:42:25 PM
Indy or Venture are the most likely options....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on July 01, 2020, 06:49:40 PM
Quote from: lozo on July 01, 2020, 06:34:15 PM
Hello,

I am quite new to these forums as a user, but was able to use information from another discussion on SLAP for deciding on a new deck (went with an 8' 14wb)

That being said I am not super knowledgeable about trucks, been using my housemates second set up of Thunder 147 hollow lights and have not been a fan.

My kook question is what would you all recommend for a board that size, and for someone who wants to skate street/technical primarily.

Thank you

What board are you riding? Personally length and WB matter to me, so finding trucks that pair well is always a challenge for me.
Thunder 147 Hollow Lights are a great all round truck, decent turn, pinch and lightweight. My only gripe is the baseplate could stick out a few millimetres more you get more baseplate slide instead of wheel slide for nose/tail slides.
Like mynameisnotjeff asked - what is it you're not liking about the trucks / setup? Does it feel too heavy? Too tippy (unbalanced)? Ghost pop? Too light?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lozo on July 01, 2020, 06:59:16 PM
Thanks for the responses.

In terms of not liking the Thunder 147's it was almost entirely because they felt too tippy, but as well as the other reasons you listed @rocklobster @mynameisnotjeff

Also It may have something to do with the fact that housemate says that one of them is a 147 hollow light and the other is just a 147 light.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lozo on July 01, 2020, 07:07:44 PM
They also felt quite light to me, didn't feel like I was getting enough power on my pop, but that might be because i'm not so good haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on July 01, 2020, 07:12:37 PM
Quote from: lozo on July 01, 2020, 06:59:16 PM
Thanks for the responses.

In terms of not liking the Thunder 147's it was almost entirely because they felt too tippy, but as well as the other reasons you listed @rocklobster @mynameisnotjeff

Also It may have something to do with the fact that housemate says that one of them is a 147 hollow light and the other is just a 147 light.

I doubt you will feel the impact too much physically, maybe more psychologically; having mismatching gear fucks with my head.

What board are you using?

If you got money to spend you can't go wrong with either Indy 139 or Venture 5.2, but I'm always biased towards Venture 5.2 Los.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 01, 2020, 07:16:50 PM
Hopefully I don’t sound like an ass:

Don’t buy anything. If I’m reading this correctly, you are new to skating. New stuff isn’t going to register all that differently. Just skate for a few months at least. Imo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 01, 2020, 07:19:46 PM
Good point, it may take some getting used to.
I do think that if you have cash to spare Indy 139s or Ace 33s May be what you’re looking for. Indys have a deeper turn and are higher trucks. Ace are somewhere in between.
Finally Ventures are harder to turn with and are more stable trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lozo on July 01, 2020, 07:46:52 PM
Ive been skating my housemates almost board with the 147's on it for about 3 months now, ive just never been able to find good balance on it, too tippy

I bought a real board recently to serve as my new deck, its the same 8' 14wb that the almost is

Hes moving out next week so I just wanted to invest in a setup so I can keep skating

Heres a picture of both boards

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lozo on July 01, 2020, 07:48:04 PM
Also big ups to all of you guys, I really appreciate your help and I dont think ur an ass @ok
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on July 01, 2020, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: Ok on July 01, 2020, 07:16:50 PM
Hopefully I don’t sound like an ass:

Don’t buy anything. If I’m reading this correctly, you are new to skating. New stuff isn’t going to register all that differently. Just skate for a few months at least. Imo

Yup.

Stay off the Shoes & Gear section of Slap, don't get infected with gear madness.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 01, 2020, 10:49:10 PM
He said wheelbase....which is already going in a badddd.....direction. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 02, 2020, 07:46:53 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 01, 2020, 10:49:10 PM
He said wheelbase....which is already going in a badddd.....direction.


Hahaha. Yeah too early in the process. That’s like trying coke in 5th grade.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 02, 2020, 11:06:54 AM
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He said wheelbase....which is already going in a badddd.....direction.
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Hahaha. Yeah too early in the process. That’s like trying coke in 5th grade.

Hey, sometimes you need a little pick me up after nap time! Don’t judge me!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: slutonparade on July 02, 2020, 11:41:06 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on July 01, 2020, 08:05:36 PM
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Hopefully I don’t sound like an ass:

Don’t buy anything. If I’m reading this correctly, you are new to skating. New stuff isn’t going to register all that differently. Just skate for a few months at least. Imo
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Yup.

Stay off the Shoes & Gear section of Slap, don't get infected with gear madness.

Seriously, don't allow yourself to develop gear madness during COVID.  Supply chains are all types of fucked up and finding specific products can be an absolute nightmare right now.  The hunt is sort of fun... until it quickly turns frustrating and all consuming.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Juanjo789 on July 02, 2020, 11:08:39 PM
is it me or loose trucks feel lighter  than tight trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on July 03, 2020, 05:10:20 AM
Which truck are the most stable/hardest to initiate a turn? Like stay the most flat during a trick, say u do a kickflip on your toes without board turning too much
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solid bowlcut on July 03, 2020, 05:35:00 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on July 03, 2020, 05:10:20 AM
Which truck are the most stable/hardest to initiate a turn? Like stay the most flat during a trick, say u do a kickflip on your toes without board turning too much
Every truck if you ride them that tight? lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 03, 2020, 05:43:09 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on July 03, 2020, 05:10:20 AM
Which truck are the most stable/hardest to initiate a turn? Like stay the most flat during a trick, say u do a kickflip on your toes without board turning too much


Tight trucks with hard ass bushings.

Probably tensor 10s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on July 03, 2020, 06:18:58 AM
Bro, I dont wanna ride em tight...
Thunders with medium bottom & soft top is pretty good tho
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solid bowlcut on July 03, 2020, 06:28:29 AM
Venture lo maybe? Def not as sharp turn as same size Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 03, 2020, 12:20:10 PM
Yah venture is the correct answer....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 03, 2020, 12:33:49 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 03, 2020, 12:20:10 PM
Yah venture is the correct answer....

I was going to suggest venture but decided not to face forum wrath lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on July 03, 2020, 03:15:17 PM
Quote from: Juanjo789 on July 02, 2020, 11:08:39 PM
is it me or loose trucks feel lighterbetter than tight trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on July 03, 2020, 03:30:58 PM
Quote from: Juanjo789 on July 02, 2020, 11:08:39 PM
is it me or loose trucks feel lighter  than tight trucks

This is plausible, if you bend down to pop on a loose truck its more likely the truck wont be fully level and thus your tail is a little closer to the ground so it gets a slightly quicker, but less stable and hefty snap.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on July 03, 2020, 05:29:46 PM
for fun last night i loosened the shit out of my trucks after throwing in some red thunder bushings with the top washer gone. like click clack loose. i like it because it shows you where to put your feet properly and it feels like you become one with the board
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on July 03, 2020, 07:12:29 PM
After 3 years of riding Ventures, I think my Thunder 148's have been promoted to my main set-up.

They feel damn good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on July 03, 2020, 10:16:50 PM
the thunder bushings i ordered really suck. very stiff for 90a

i need some good bushings. i ride thunder 148 with the bolt barely fitting on
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 03, 2020, 10:47:11 PM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on July 03, 2020, 10:16:50 PM
the thunder bushings i ordered really suck. very stiff for 90a

i need some good bushings. i ride thunder 148 with the bolt barely fitting on

Would low bushings fit in Thunder? Something like a conical low?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sammyz on July 04, 2020, 03:32:55 AM
So, i had thought...firstly I dont ride switch, so take that into consideration when reading through this thought

Has anyone tried putting heavier truck on the nose side and lighter on the tail side? The concept being it take more effort to lift the front, but you get more force and when they go up the tail will follow easily because its lighter...theoretically higher pop?

I remember back in the late 80’s we use to experiment with having higher risers on tail than on the nose to increase pop...which never felt right...but did help...so i guess this similar idea
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on July 04, 2020, 10:51:55 AM
Quote from: sammyz on July 04, 2020, 03:32:55 AM
So, i had thought...firstly I dont ride switch, so take that into consideration when reading through this thought

Has anyone tried putting heavier truck on the nose side and lighter on the tail side? The concept being it take more effort to lift the front, but you get more force and when they go up the tail will follow easily because its lighter...theoretically higher pop?

I remember back in the late 80’s we use to experiment with having higher risers on tail than on the nose to increase pop...which never felt right...but did help...so i guess this similar idea

On my shaped board I have standard in the front and hollow on the back. Accidentally mixed it up at the shop and grabbed the wrong one so I’ve just been running it. I don’t mind losing a couple grams in the back, especially on shaped decks. Would probably irk me if it was my everyday popsicle deck though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on July 04, 2020, 10:54:48 AM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on July 03, 2020, 10:16:50 PM
the thunder bushings i ordered really suck. very stiff for 90a

i need some good bushings. i ride thunder 148 with the bolt barely fitting on

I ride Independent super soft bushings in my thunders, the white ones with the barrel bottom. Super loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on July 04, 2020, 01:12:09 PM
Quote from: Fat Tire on July 04, 2020, 10:54:48 AM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on July 03, 2020, 10:16:50 PM
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the thunder bushings i ordered really suck. very stiff for 90a

i need some good bushings. i ride thunder 148 with the bolt barely fitting on
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I ride Independent super soft bushings in my thunders, the white ones with the barrel bottom. Super loose.


ironic, i have a set of those from when i got my ex a board. i was yrying to use them but the bottom bushing doesnt fit into the washer. do you go washer-less?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on July 06, 2020, 03:44:36 PM
Ishod Wair:

Thunder 147s (on an 8.3)
Stock bushings, but top bushings on top and boardside
three washers on the inside of each wheel to push the wheels out
52 mm wheels.

Timestamp: 11:27
https://youtu.be/JFJ1F_xGNPU?t=687
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on July 06, 2020, 04:02:02 PM
Ishod Wair:

Thunder 147s (on an 8.3)
Stock bushings, but top bushings on top and boardside
three washers on the inside of each wheel to push the wheels out
52 mm wheels.

Timestamp: 11:27
https://youtu.be/JFJ1F_xGNPU?t=687
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on July 06, 2020, 06:02:51 PM
Quote from: backinaction on July 06, 2020, 04:02:02 PM
Ishod Wair:

Thunder 147s (on an 8.3)
Stock bushings, but top bushings on top and boardside
three washers on the inside of each wheel to push the wheels out
52 mm wheels.

Timestamp: 11:27
https://youtu.be/JFJ1F_xGNPU?t=687
at that point why not ride 148s? i might try it out to see where the wheels sit in comparison
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on July 06, 2020, 06:14:32 PM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on July 04, 2020, 01:12:09 PM
Quote from: Fat Tire on July 04, 2020, 10:54:48 AM
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Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on July 03, 2020, 10:16:50 PM
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the thunder bushings i ordered really suck. very stiff for 90a

i need some good bushings. i ride thunder 148 with the bolt barely fitting on
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I ride Independent super soft bushings in my thunders, the white ones with the barrel bottom. Super loose.
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ironic, i have a set of those from when i got my ex a board. i was yrying to use them but the bottom bushing doesnt fit into the washer. do you go washer-less?

I use the washers that came with the aftermarket Indy bushings. They fit perfectly, the nut is flush with the kinpin.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Juanjo789 on July 07, 2020, 05:30:29 AM
Quote from: backinaction on July 06, 2020, 04:02:02 PM
Ishod Wair:

Thunder 147s (on an 8.3)
Stock bushings, but top bushings on top and boardside
three washers on the inside of each wheel to push the wheels out
52 mm wheels.

Timestamp: 11:27
https://youtu.be/JFJ1F_xGNPU?t=687
doea he use bushing washers or nah
i got a friend that does this w/o washers on indys and his trucks are woobly as shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 07, 2020, 12:52:22 PM
Quote from: off on July 06, 2020, 06:02:51 PM
Quote from: backinaction on July 06, 2020, 04:02:02 PM
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Ishod Wair:

Thunder 147s (on an 8.3)
Stock bushings, but top bushings on top and boardside
three washers on the inside of each wheel to push the wheels out
52 mm wheels.

Timestamp: 11:27
https://youtu.be/JFJ1F_xGNPU?t=687
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at that point why not ride 148s? i might try it out to see where the wheels sit in comparison

For reals. Not sure about the two top bushings tho lol -  I did for the hell of it and holy shit so much kingpin showing and geo is waaay off, like a stupidly low thunder lol

Quote from: Juanjo789 on July 07, 2020, 05:30:29 AM
Quote from: backinaction on July 06, 2020, 04:02:02 PM
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Ishod Wair:

Thunder 147s (on an 8.3)
Stock bushings, but top bushings on top and boardside
three washers on the inside of each wheel to push the wheels out
52 mm wheels.

Timestamp: 11:27
https://youtu.be/JFJ1F_xGNPU?t=687
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doea he use bushing washers or nah
i got a friend that does this w/o washers on indys and his trucks are woobly as shit

He notes using two small (top) washers - no idea if he means two total per truck or just two small as bottoms
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on July 07, 2020, 01:57:58 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 07, 2020, 12:52:22 PM
For reals. Not sure about the two top bushings tho lol -  I did for the hell of it and holy shit so much kingpin showing and geo is waaay off, like a stupidly low thunder lol

I have an extra 8.3 twin tail, some 147 hollow lights and some 52 spit classics.  Maybe I'll get bored and try his setup. (although he didn't mention if he did forged or cast baseplates)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 07, 2020, 02:08:05 PM
Quote from: backinaction on July 07, 2020, 01:57:58 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 07, 2020, 12:52:22 PM
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For reals. Not sure about the two top bushings tho lol -  I did for the hell of it and holy shit so much kingpin showing and geo is waaay off, like a stupidly low thunder lol
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I have an extra 8.3 twin tail, some 147 hollow lights and some 52 spit classics.  Maybe I'll get bored and try his setup. (although he didn't mention if he did forged or cast baseplates)

Ha, I do too! Tho I would need to move my thunders over...8" on an 8.38" I can't do the [old] Reynolds/Ellington magic carpets.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on July 07, 2020, 03:05:41 PM
Just put an initial 45 minutes of sharp turns and slap grinds on new Thunder 161s. I have them with stock bushings and factory tightness and am really surprised by how well they turn, though they’re a bit loose for me (got pitched a couple times from wheel bite). Do the bushings harden up after a while, or should I go ahead and tighten them down? Just want to do the correct thing to make these bushings last. I love the cough syrup blue color...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on July 07, 2020, 05:28:54 PM
Quote from: babywantsbluevelvet on July 07, 2020, 03:05:41 PM
Just put an initial 45 minutes of sharp turns and slap grinds on new Thunder 161s. I have them with stock bushings and factory tightness and am really surprised by how well they turn, though they’re a bit loose for me (got pitched a couple times from wheel bite). Do the bushings harden up after a while, or should I go ahead and tighten them down? Just want to do the correct thing to make these bushings last. I love the cough syrup blue color...

they tighten up just keep skating them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on July 07, 2020, 05:50:29 PM
Quote from: Fat Tire on July 07, 2020, 05:28:54 PM
Quote from: babywantsbluevelvet on July 07, 2020, 03:05:41 PM
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Just put an initial 45 minutes of sharp turns and slap grinds on new Thunder 161s. I have them with stock bushings and factory tightness and am really surprised by how well they turn, though they’re a bit loose for me (got pitched a couple times from wheel bite). Do the bushings harden up after a while, or should I go ahead and tighten them down? Just want to do the correct thing to make these bushings last. I love the cough syrup blue color...
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they tighten up just keep skating them

Thanks, I’ll just take it easy until they do
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lysdexia on July 07, 2020, 07:09:39 PM
Quote from: off on July 06, 2020, 06:02:51 PM
Quote from: backinaction on July 06, 2020, 04:02:02 PM
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Ishod Wair:

Thunder 147s (on an 8.3)
Stock bushings, but top bushings on top and boardside
three washers on the inside of each wheel to push the wheels out
52 mm wheels.

Timestamp: 11:27
https://youtu.be/JFJ1F_xGNPU?t=687
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at that point why not ride 148s? i might try it out to see where the wheels sit in comparison

i think 147s are lower than 148s and up?  that's about the only reason i could imagine doing that
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 07, 2020, 07:39:27 PM
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Ishod Wair:

Thunder 147s (on an 8.3)
Stock bushings, but top bushings on top and boardside
three washers on the inside of each wheel to push the wheels out
52 mm wheels.

Timestamp: 11:27
https://youtu.be/JFJ1F_xGNPU?t=687
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at that point why not ride 148s? i might try it out to see where the wheels sit in comparison
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i think 147s are lower than 148s and up?  that's about the only reason i could imagine doing that
It’s so the nut is flush and he can continue to use his trucks without the need to rethread.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 07, 2020, 08:52:20 PM
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Ishod Wair:

Thunder 147s (on an 8.3)
Stock bushings, but top bushings on top and boardside
three washers on the inside of each wheel to push the wheels out
52 mm wheels.

Timestamp: 11:27
https://youtu.be/JFJ1F_xGNPU?t=687
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at that point why not ride 148s? i might try it out to see where the wheels sit in comparison
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i think 147s are lower than 148s and up?  that's about the only reason i could imagine doing that
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It’s so the nut is flush and he can continue to use his trucks without the need to rethread.

BIA: thanks for this gem. Ishod is the best. I for sure want to try this, because Ishod. It’s always way too interesting for me to hear/see a pro talk about their setup, and this was some next level shit. I’m pretty shocked, he says he’s been doing this for awhile, looking at his footage I always thought he was on 149s. Busenitz did 147s for awhile, but his setups looked like that.
I believe ishod does this setup because 147s sit different/lower than the rest of thunders larger sizes. I didn’t catch what wheel he said. Doesn’t grant Taylor only use like 52 wheel?
I wouldn’t be surprised, at all, if it turns out he was skating 148s. Tons of rippers and a few pros seemingly don’t know the name/specs of their equipment, which is both rad/weird to me. He was sounding like a bit of an equipment nerd tho, and he’s obviously tried some shit....the amount of folks saying bolt, when they mean nut is wild to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Juanjo789 on July 07, 2020, 09:49:57 PM
Im riding Ace 44 w/o the top washer and with 1/8 risers with worn down 56 conical full
 Recently went from 14.75 to 14.25 wb but it hasnt been too bad. Its fun to skate but Im wobbling when trying to ollie while cruising downhill I could tighten them but I got nothing to lose so I might as well try and get used to it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on July 08, 2020, 04:43:36 AM
Stock ace 44's cleared my madness. They just work for me and the lowish height plus mellow pop is everything I need. I really tried ventures for awhile but the height on the highs is too much.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on July 08, 2020, 12:18:19 PM
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Ishod Wair:

Thunder 147s (on an 8.3)
Stock bushings, but top bushings on top and boardside
three washers on the inside of each wheel to push the wheels out
52 mm wheels.

Timestamp: 11:27
https://youtu.be/JFJ1F_xGNPU?t=687
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at that point why not ride 148s? i might try it out to see where the wheels sit in comparison
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i think 147s are lower than 148s and up?  that's about the only reason i could imagine doing that
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It’s so the nut is flush and he can continue to use his trucks without the need to rethread.
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BIA: thanks for this gem. Ishod is the best. I for sure want to try this, because Ishod. It’s always way too interesting for me to hear/see a pro talk about their setup, and this was some next level shit. I’m pretty shocked, he says he’s been doing this for awhile, looking at his footage I always thought he was on 149s. Busenitz did 147s for awhile, but his setups looked like that.
I believe ishod does this setup because 147s sit different/lower than the rest of thunders larger sizes. I didn’t catch what wheel he said. Doesn’t grant Taylor only use like 52 wheel?
I wouldn’t be surprised, at all, if it turns out he was skating 148s. Tons of rippers and a few pros seemingly don’t know the name/specs of their equipment, which is both rad/weird to me. He was sounding like a bit of an equipment nerd tho, and he’s obviously tried some shit....the amount of folks saying bolt, when they mean nut is wild to me.

He said he used to skate 149s... put on 147s because he wanted to skate this rail against a wall without having the axles scraping the wall, but never got around to skating that rail lol.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cindaykook on July 09, 2020, 01:49:29 PM
Doing the opposite of Ishod. I’ve been running Indy 144 titanium’s on a 8.125. I’ve been liking it pretty well. Have a little more wheel poking out which makes grinds feel easier. But I land primo way more often.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: WoodRat on July 09, 2020, 03:10:52 PM
Thunder 147 Hallows with Bones Med. no washers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on July 09, 2020, 04:51:27 PM
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Odd setup I threw together last second today to get an extra board out to the park. Indy 149 with khiro 95a cylinder with no bottom washer, and a broken in orange indy small cone with a washer. I weigh around 225, but it felt tight truck stable until I decided to start carving hair-pin figure 8's!

(https://i.imgur.com/8iJ262n.jpg)

I usually ride super loose rattley Daewon style with khiro 95a hard core cones, but the stability felt cool while still having the insane quick turn ability.
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Does it return to center without a bottom washer?
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So far, yes. It's already starting to mold around the plate, though, so I'm thinking it's not gonna work long term. I'm all for bottom washer if I can make it fit. I've tried longer kingpins and don't like losing the clearance. Should I shave off some of the cylinder bottom bushing?

Try a bottle cap
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on July 09, 2020, 06:09:05 PM
someone please help me. I got a pair of thunder 147’s about 3 months ago, they felt great off the rip. after breaking them in, they wouldn’t turn, bushings felt rock hard. then I got a pair of thunder 145’s about a month ago, felt great at first, after breaking them in they too wouldn’t turn!! what the fuck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on July 10, 2020, 03:47:44 AM
ok so i have indys cause i focused my theeves (which i liked more) and im sorta over it cause they cant really tighten down enough to my liking so i get wheelbite 24/7, and im thinking of impulse buying either some krux or aces, if anybody has any opinions or comments on the matter im open to it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cucktard on July 10, 2020, 04:15:39 AM
I’ve never messed with my trucks in over 30 years until this year, when I started switching up bushings.

Tried my friend’s board with indys and no top washer.

Did the same, titanium 159s with bones mediums, no washers, and I love it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solid bowlcut on July 10, 2020, 05:04:47 AM
Quote from: ducky darnsworth on July 10, 2020, 03:47:44 AM
ok so i have indys cause i focused my theeves (which i liked more) and im sorta over it cause they cant really tighten down enough to my liking so i get wheelbite 24/7, and im thinking of impulse buying either some krux or aces, if anybody has any opinions or comments on the matter im open to it.
Dont but Krux. The turn is worst and still the truck wiggles all over the place.

Maybe change bushings to something like bones hards? When they get broken in they are one of the best bushing i have skated. They are ridiculously hard at beginning tho.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on July 10, 2020, 11:16:16 AM
i get plenty wheelbite with indys too, ive just learned to deal with it/skate smaller wheels.

you could give krux a try, but man are they weird.

they are floppy like everyone says, but the benefits of that is the truck is like instantly in pinch position when you go to lock in, and you can land kinda wherever on the board without worrying about stomping bolts. i feel like the floppiness can get to feeling natural when doing tricks in general, cause its not like the board is trying to return to center or quickly turn. hard to explain i guess.

i didnt hate em like everyone else but i couldnt get used to how they didn't turn quickly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 10, 2020, 11:24:11 AM
Quote from: ducky darnsworth on July 10, 2020, 03:47:44 AM
ok so i have indys cause i focused my theeves (which i liked more) and im sorta over it cause they cant really tighten down enough to my liking so i get wheelbite 24/7, and im thinking of impulse buying either some krux or aces, if anybody has any opinions or comments on the matter im open to it.

Don't be afraid of risers. You'll get used to them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on July 10, 2020, 11:46:23 AM
I dont really need risers i just want the trucks to be a bit firmer until it gets to hard turning, it just sorta feels spongey and soft through the whole turn. Also too late on the krux i ordered some, worst case with those is that i have some spare trucks for a cruiser board now. And yeah ive messed with bushings alot, im running 2 bones hard bottom bushings on each truck currently, after reading that comment i think i might try two top bushings instead and see if that makes it firmer. My big problem is that im heavier and like tighter trucks so that makes it a bit harder to achieve that, not like nyjah tick tack tight but just it doesnt go full turn unless i want it too. from memory the mid range on the theeves was much better than the indys cause it felt progressive with the turn in and not the same amount of flop through the trucks range of motion. this is all for sure just some madness and i just need to get better at skating, but when the krux come in ill post up some impressions or something idk.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 10, 2020, 12:26:40 PM
Quote from: Solid bowlcut on July 10, 2020, 05:04:47 AM
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ok so i have indys cause i focused my theeves (which i liked more) and im sorta over it cause they cant really tighten down enough to my liking so i get wheelbite 24/7, and im thinking of impulse buying either some krux or aces, if anybody has any opinions or comments on the matter im open to it.
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Dont but Krux. The turn is worst and still the truck wiggles all over the place.

Maybe change bushings to something like bones hards? When they get broken in they are one of the best bushing i have skated. They are ridiculously hard at beginning tho.

I suffered through the Bones Hards break-in once, it was brutal. They last a long time tho and were 'permanent' new mediums...if you like that feel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on July 10, 2020, 04:23:59 PM
Are the aftermarket Thunder bushings, (the ones that come in the tube), a higher quality urethane or exactly the same as what comes in the trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Juanjo789 on July 10, 2020, 10:10:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/vGvWZuG.png)
is this a 159
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on July 11, 2020, 04:40:07 AM
Quote from: Juanjo789 on July 10, 2020, 10:10:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/vGvWZuG.png)
is this a 159
Or 169. Only your tape measure knows for sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on July 11, 2020, 06:55:12 AM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on July 10, 2020, 04:23:59 PM
Are the aftermarket Thunder bushings, (the ones that come in the tube), a higher quality urethane or exactly the same as what comes in the trucks?

I ride the deluxe supercush 97du in ventures and I prefer them to the stock green bushings. Did bones hard first, but like the stability that a barrel bottom bushing gives.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on July 11, 2020, 03:20:01 PM
my 9" krux trucks came in the mail, first impressions is that they feel about as light or lighter than my hollow indys which is a trend ive noticed with other trucks, and the hole in the hanger is interesting, gonna go to the park later so ill update if i wasted $33 or not.
(https://i.imgur.com/XSsIvbt.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 11, 2020, 07:15:52 PM
You'll know quickly....the turning radius isn't for everyone...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: slutonparade on July 11, 2020, 08:15:19 PM
Anyone have an idea where I can find a replacement hollow kingpin for some 159 indy’s?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on July 11, 2020, 09:59:13 PM
so update, fuck indys i guess cause i put some bones hards in the krux and theyre perfect already when i couldnt get indys dialed in at all after years, if you want to carve well probably dont get krux but they turn good enough for me to get around some bowls, and i see what they mean by them grinding well, didnt even stick at all really on the ledges, solid 8/10 experience already.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on July 11, 2020, 10:22:13 PM
Quote from: slutonparade on July 11, 2020, 08:15:19 PM
Anyone have an idea where I can find a replacement hollow kingpin for some 159 indy’s?


the thunder ones work. imo you need an arbor or hydraulic press to get them back in forged plates though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on July 14, 2020, 12:23:31 PM
Quote from: TFUCKINA on July 09, 2020, 06:09:05 PM
someone please help me. I got a pair of thunder 147’s about 3 months ago, they felt great off the rip. after breaking them in, they wouldn’t turn, bushings felt rock hard. then I got a pair of thunder 145’s about a month ago, felt great at first, after breaking them in they too wouldn’t turn!! what the fuck.

I’d first recommend putting wax shavings in the pivot cups, and also rub some wax on the bushings and washers. Try and skate them a little looser than before and work that wax in. If that doesn’t free them up, idk what to tell you other than just skate them more.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on July 16, 2020, 08:22:53 AM
Not Trucks but years back I read something about making your own base plates with polycarbonate and I had some laying around the house. The idea is that because PC is very hard it should not deaden Your board as much.

Update: After riding around I can say that these have more pop than any other plastic risers I’ve used. Adds 2 mm .

(https://i.imgur.com/W2ydMUF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UR6wuTZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on July 16, 2020, 10:48:00 AM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on July 16, 2020, 08:22:53 AM
Not Trucks but years back I read something about making your own base plates with polycarbonate and I had some laying around the house. The idea is that because PC is very hard it should not deaden Your board as much.

Update: After riding around I can say that these have more pop than any other plastic risers I’ve used. Adds 2 mm .

(https://i.imgur.com/W2ydMUF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UR6wuTZ.jpg)

This makes me wanna get new risers. I use softer pads and couldnt tell if they were dampening my pop or if it was my rails, but one of the two made my pop duller.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 20, 2020, 11:30:35 AM
Anyone know what the deal with Reynold's bushings is and why the top is cranked all low like that?

(https://i.imgur.com/HfRdN1n.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on July 20, 2020, 11:41:54 AM
He's 6'3" and rides tight-ish trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 20, 2020, 11:48:36 AM
Quote from: Firebert on July 20, 2020, 11:41:54 AM
He's 6'3" and rides tight-ish trucks.

I wasn't being disparaging, just trying to figure out of it was some other brand bushing. That is real tight and I truly can't imagine crunching a top bushing down that far.

Saying this as someone who is also 6'3" and a size 11.5 (and fatter than Reynolds).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 20, 2020, 11:49:13 AM
I think we can say he rides tight trucks. Those couldn’t be more tight. If one isn’t tic-tac shuffling after tricks then tight trucks shouldn’t matter. I’ve had the rattle loose and that’s cool, but I see more dorks trying to be something they not with the extra loose and safety hands, than I see tight truck tic taccers. Stop tight truck shaming
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 20, 2020, 11:50:39 AM
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He's 6'3" and rides tight-ish trucks.
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I'm just saying, that is real tight and I truly can't imagine crunching an indy top bushing down that far. As someone who is also 6'3" and a size 11.5 (and way fatter than Reynolds).

I weigh #175 and I can’t imagine he ways much more. I’m not sure how he turns. That looks like mega ramp tight
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 20, 2020, 11:59:57 AM
Edited my post to clarify, but I'm not talking shit. Genuinely curious if anyone knew if it was modification or a swap. If those are the black 94 Indy bushings, I've put them in a set of 149s at stock tightness/no threads and it made them basically unturnable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 20, 2020, 12:14:13 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on July 20, 2020, 11:59:57 AM
Edited my post to clarify, but I'm not talking shit. Genuinely curious if anyone knew if it was modification or a swap. If those are the black 94 Indy bushings, I've put them in a set of 149s at stock tightness/no threads and it made them basically unturnable.


Dude my bad. I didn’t think you were talking shit, I AM talking shit, but was joking around. I’m sorry.
I ‘‘twas thinking the same thing re Indy blacks, and that’s before all of that exposed kingpin. Vert ramp shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FROTHY on July 20, 2020, 12:27:20 PM
Another board from the Boss
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4SwD43nY4M/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

Looks like he tightens the fuck out of the back truck and leaves the front one fairly normal. Must be weird skating switch when you're basically steering with the trailing end of the board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 20, 2020, 01:02:30 PM
That is wild, I guess he really does just crank one side down super tight. I know it is a common thing, but I always (and always assumed others) just do maybe 1/4 turn tighter in back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TurdyBird on July 20, 2020, 08:32:23 PM
Anyone ever do the magic carpet ride? I like riding big boards, but the obvious is that they are a lil more difficult to flip around. After listening to Ishod's Stop n chat board discussion, been thinking about trying Thunder 148s on an 8.5. Thinkin about making it "tippier" in his words, might help get that board flickin around easier.

Biggest thing in my way is SW hasn't gotten a new shipment in what seems like over a month. Hoping they do soon. Otherwise, I'm gonna just be thinking about it, and bullshitting myself on this forum about it till they get restocked.

My biggest concern is for grinds, but might be more fun to learn shit. Maybe it's what I've needed in these past 15+ years.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sadnocomply on July 20, 2020, 09:30:00 PM
Quote from: TurdyBird on July 20, 2020, 08:32:23 PM
Anyone ever do the magic carpet ride? I like riding big boards, but the obvious is that they are a lil more difficult to flip around. After listening to Ishod's Stop n chat board discussion, been thinking about trying Thunder 148s on an 8.5. Thinkin about making it "tippier" in his words, might help get that board flickin around easier.

Biggest thing in my way is SW hasn't gotten a new shipment in what seems like over a month. Hoping they do soon. Otherwise, I'm gonna just be thinking about it, and bullshitting myself on this forum about it till they get restocked.

My biggest concern is for grinds, but might be more fun to learn shit. Maybe it's what I've needed in these past 15+ years.
or you could skip SW and support a real skate shop and grab those 148s right now and stop thinking about it, just sayin.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on July 20, 2020, 10:22:49 PM
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Anyone ever do the magic carpet ride? I like riding big boards, but the obvious is that they are a lil more difficult to flip around. After listening to Ishod's Stop n chat board discussion, been thinking about trying Thunder 148s on an 8.5. Thinkin about making it "tippier" in his words, might help get that board flickin around easier.

Biggest thing in my way is SW hasn't gotten a new shipment in what seems like over a month. Hoping they do soon. Otherwise, I'm gonna just be thinking about it, and bullshitting myself on this forum about it till they get restocked.

My biggest concern is for grinds, but might be more fun to learn shit. Maybe it's what I've needed in these past 15+ years.
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or you could skip SW and support a real skate shop and grab those 148s right now and stop thinking about it, just sayin.

148 are a great all round truck; wide enough for bigger boards and lighter than the standard 5.5 truck so nimbleness isn't loss when sizing up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crabby_Bastard on July 20, 2020, 10:29:39 PM
Quote from: TurdyBird on July 20, 2020, 08:32:23 PM
Anyone ever do the magic carpet ride? I like riding big boards, but the obvious is that they are a lil more difficult to flip around. After listening to Ishod's Stop n chat board discussion, been thinking about trying Thunder 148s on an 8.5. Thinkin about making it "tippier" in his words, might help get that board flickin around easier.

Biggest thing in my way is SW hasn't gotten a new shipment in what seems like over a month. Hoping they do soon. Otherwise, I'm gonna just be thinking about it, and bullshitting myself on this forum about it till they get restocked.

My biggest concern is for grinds, but might be more fun to learn shit. Maybe it's what I've needed in these past 15+ years.

I ride Thunder 148s on an 8.5 albeit the AH Classic Eagle 8.5 which is a bit smaller and tapers toward the back. I like them much more than 149s on that shape. Perfect combo IMO.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oldbummer on July 20, 2020, 10:35:34 PM
Here is one on the 96 bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TurdyBird on July 20, 2020, 11:43:43 PM
Quote from: sadnocomply on July 20, 2020, 09:30:00 PM
Quote from: TurdyBird on July 20, 2020, 08:32:23 PM
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Anyone ever do the magic carpet ride? I like riding big boards, but the obvious is that they are a lil more difficult to flip around. After listening to Ishod's Stop n chat board discussion, been thinking about trying Thunder 148s on an 8.5. Thinkin about making it "tippier" in his words, might help get that board flickin around easier.

Biggest thing in my way is SW hasn't gotten a new shipment in what seems like over a month. Hoping they do soon. Otherwise, I'm gonna just be thinking about it, and bullshitting myself on this forum about it till they get restocked.

My biggest concern is for grinds, but might be more fun to learn shit. Maybe it's what I've needed in these past 15+ years.
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or you could skip SW and support a real skate shop and grab those 148s right now and stop thinking about it, just sayin.

They are the only skate shop in my town. It's either them or a surf shop, and I don't think the surf shop carries them (I live where SW is located). Thanks for the sass tho :-*
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on July 21, 2020, 01:45:35 AM
Quote from: TurdyBird on July 20, 2020, 11:43:43 PM
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Anyone ever do the magic carpet ride? I like riding big boards, but the obvious is that they are a lil more difficult to flip around. After listening to Ishod's Stop n chat board discussion, been thinking about trying Thunder 148s on an 8.5. Thinkin about making it "tippier" in his words, might help get that board flickin around easier.

Biggest thing in my way is SW hasn't gotten a new shipment in what seems like over a month. Hoping they do soon. Otherwise, I'm gonna just be thinking about it, and bullshitting myself on this forum about it till they get restocked.

My biggest concern is for grinds, but might be more fun to learn shit. Maybe it's what I've needed in these past 15+ years.
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or you could skip SW and support a real skate shop and grab those 148s right now and stop thinking about it, just sayin.
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They are the only skate shop in my town. It's either them or a surf shop, and I don't think the surf shop carries them (I live where SW is located). Thanks for the sass tho :-*
How about ordering them online from legit shop? I don’t fuck with only shop in my town (personal beef with owner) so I have to order everything online.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oneOone on July 21, 2020, 03:47:59 AM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on July 16, 2020, 08:22:53 AM
Not Trucks but years back I read something about making your own base plates with polycarbonate and I had some laying around the house. The idea is that because PC is very hard it should not deaden Your board as much.

Update: After riding around I can say that these have more pop than any other plastic risers I’ve used. Adds 2 mm .

(https://i.imgur.com/W2ydMUF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UR6wuTZ.jpg)

What did you use to cut them?

Please keep us updated if they last or break.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on July 21, 2020, 06:01:59 AM
^I used a jig saw for the outside. Drill bit for the holes. And a hole saw to remove some weight.

Having worked with polycarbonate in my job I can tell you that the risers will last forever. It’s used to bullet proof glass, so there are no impact issues. I’m glad I did it cause regular risers dead your shit greatly while I can’t tell if PC risers do at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on July 21, 2020, 06:08:53 AM
Quote from: TurdyBird on July 20, 2020, 08:32:23 PM
Anyone ever do the magic carpet ride? I like riding big boards, but the obvious is that they are a lil more difficult to flip around. After listening to Ishod's Stop n chat board discussion, been thinking about trying Thunder 148s on an 8.5. Thinkin about making it "tippier" in his words, might help get that board flickin around easier.

Biggest thing in my way is SW hasn't gotten a new shipment in what seems like over a month. Hoping they do soon. Otherwise, I'm gonna just be thinking about it, and bullshitting myself on this forum about it till they get restocked.

My biggest concern is for grinds, but might be more fun to learn shit. Maybe it's what I've needed in these past 15+ years.
When I started skating 8.5 I had 139, I was coming from 8.125, and things worked great but I'm too maniac and the fact that the trucks weren't matching the board made size up for 149.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FROTHY on July 21, 2020, 08:21:57 AM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on July 21, 2020, 06:01:59 AM
^I used a jig saw for the outside. Drill bit for the holes. And a hole saw to remove some weight.

Having worked with polycarbonate in my job I can tell you that the risers will last forever. It’s used to bullet proof glass, so there are no impact issues. I’m glad I did it cause regular risers dead your shit greatly while I can’t tell if PC risers do at all.
If you have extra polycarbonate and could either send it or make another set, I'll buy them. I'm curious about this.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 21, 2020, 08:28:41 AM
Quote from: TurdyBird on July 20, 2020, 08:32:23 PM
Anyone ever do the magic carpet ride? I like riding big boards, but the obvious is that they are a lil more difficult to flip around. After listening to Ishod's Stop n chat board discussion, been thinking about trying Thunder 148s on an 8.5. Thinkin about making it "tippier" in his words, might help get that board flickin around easier.

Biggest thing in my way is SW hasn't gotten a new shipment in what seems like over a month. Hoping they do soon. Otherwise, I'm gonna just be thinking about it, and bullshitting myself on this forum about it till they get restocked.

My biggest concern is for grinds, but might be more fun to learn shit. Maybe it's what I've needed in these past 15+ years.

Currently running magic carpet on both my setups:

Venture 5.2 low on an 8.25 and Ace 44s on a 8.875 shaped. I prefer it to hotrodding. I do a lot of slappies on both and it has never messed me up at all. Can't say if it's helped my flip tricks (mostly heels and shitty varial heels) but it certainly hasn't hurt them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 21, 2020, 08:52:00 AM
Quote from: FROTHY on July 21, 2020, 08:21:57 AM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on July 21, 2020, 06:01:59 AM
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^I used a jig saw for the outside. Drill bit for the holes. And a hole saw to remove some weight.

Having worked with polycarbonate in my job I can tell you that the risers will last forever. It’s used to bullet proof glass, so there are no impact issues. I’m glad I did it cause regular risers dead your shit greatly while I can’t tell if PC risers do at all.
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If you have extra polycarbonate and could either send it or make another set, I'll buy them. I'm curious about this.

I second this
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: slutonparade on July 21, 2020, 09:20:02 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/F6JjUEx.jpg)

Got these boys ready to go on an 8.5 AH Classic Eagle later

149mm Independent Forged Ti
Med/Hard 92a Conical
Riptide pivot cups

Should be fun
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: The.Tran.Man on July 21, 2020, 09:35:58 AM
Andrew Reynolds got some sneak peeks of the new "MIndys" on his instagram story. There's several pictures on his story
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Utopos on July 21, 2020, 09:39:09 AM
Quote from: Crabby_Bastard on July 20, 2020, 10:29:39 PM
Quote from: TurdyBird on July 20, 2020, 08:32:23 PM
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Anyone ever do the magic carpet ride? I like riding big boards, but the obvious is that they are a lil more difficult to flip around. After listening to Ishod's Stop n chat board discussion, been thinking about trying Thunder 148s on an 8.5. Thinkin about making it "tippier" in his words, might help get that board flickin around easier.

Biggest thing in my way is SW hasn't gotten a new shipment in what seems like over a month. Hoping they do soon. Otherwise, I'm gonna just be thinking about it, and bullshitting myself on this forum about it till they get restocked.

My biggest concern is for grinds, but might be more fun to learn shit. Maybe it's what I've needed in these past 15+ years.
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I ride Thunder 148s on an 8.5 albeit the AH Classic Eagle 8.5 which is a bit smaller and tapers toward the back. I like them much more than 149s on that shape. Perfect combo IMO.

This is exactly what I ride and I will never switch. Finally solved my board madness.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on July 21, 2020, 10:42:24 AM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on July 21, 2020, 08:52:00 AM
Quote from: FROTHY on July 21, 2020, 08:21:57 AM
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Quote from: GardenSkater77 on July 21, 2020, 06:01:59 AM
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^I used a jig saw for the outside. Drill bit for the holes. And a hole saw to remove some weight.

Having worked with polycarbonate in my job I can tell you that the risers will last forever. It’s used to bullet proof glass, so there are no impact issues. I’m glad I did it cause regular risers dead your shit greatly while I can’t tell if PC risers do at all.
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If you have extra polycarbonate and could either send it or make another set, I'll buy them. I'm curious about this.
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I second this

I have enough material left over to make 4 sets. Since I have the process and the template I am fine with making base plates with the material I have left. I’ll have it done before the end of next week and send out FOC. I also can’t remember my Pay Pal account and for $10 a set and shipping it’s not worth it. I’ll let you know when the sets are complete: young jugg, oneOone, Frothy and MNINJ get 1st dibs
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oneOone on July 21, 2020, 10:48:14 AM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on July 21, 2020, 10:42:24 AM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on July 21, 2020, 08:52:00 AM
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Quote from: FROTHY on July 21, 2020, 08:21:57 AM
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Quote from: GardenSkater77 on July 21, 2020, 06:01:59 AM
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^I used a jig saw for the outside. Drill bit for the holes. And a hole saw to remove some weight.

Having worked with polycarbonate in my job I can tell you that the risers will last forever. It’s used to bullet proof glass, so there are no impact issues. I’m glad I did it cause regular risers dead your shit greatly while I can’t tell if PC risers do at all.
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If you have extra polycarbonate and could either send it or make another set, I'll buy them. I'm curious about this.
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I second this
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I have enough material left over to make 4 sets. Since I have the process and the template I am fine with making base plates with the material I have left. I’ll have it done before the end of next week and send out FOC. I also can’t remember my Pay Pal account and for $10 a set and shipping it’s not worth it. I’ll let you know when the sets are complete: young jugg, oneOone, Frothy and MNINJ get 1st dibs

Thanks for the offer, I am in Europe so shipping is not reasonable I guess.

I'll try to make them, most likely without the inner hole as I do not have the tool for it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on July 21, 2020, 12:15:00 PM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on July 21, 2020, 10:42:24 AM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on July 21, 2020, 08:52:00 AM
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Quote from: FROTHY on July 21, 2020, 08:21:57 AM
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Quote from: GardenSkater77 on July 21, 2020, 06:01:59 AM
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^I used a jig saw for the outside. Drill bit for the holes. And a hole saw to remove some weight.

Having worked with polycarbonate in my job I can tell you that the risers will last forever. It’s used to bullet proof glass, so there are no impact issues. I’m glad I did it cause regular risers dead your shit greatly while I can’t tell if PC risers do at all.
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If you have extra polycarbonate and could either send it or make another set, I'll buy them. I'm curious about this.
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I second this
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I have enough material left over to make 4 sets. Since I have the process and the template I am fine with making base plates with the material I have left. I’ll have it done before the end of next week and send out FOC. I also can’t remember my Pay Pal account and for $10 a set and shipping it’s not worth it. I’ll let you know when the sets are complete: young jugg, oneOone, Frothy and MNINJ get 1st dibs

Hell yeah thanks dude, keep us updated!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solid bowlcut on July 21, 2020, 12:56:36 PM
Anyone running Bones mediums on Thunders, or have experiences with it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 21, 2020, 01:10:26 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on July 21, 2020, 08:28:41 AM
Quote from: TurdyBird on July 20, 2020, 08:32:23 PM
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Anyone ever do the magic carpet ride? I like riding big boards, but the obvious is that they are a lil more difficult to flip around. After listening to Ishod's Stop n chat board discussion, been thinking about trying Thunder 148s on an 8.5. Thinkin about making it "tippier" in his words, might help get that board flickin around easier.

Biggest thing in my way is SW hasn't gotten a new shipment in what seems like over a month. Hoping they do soon. Otherwise, I'm gonna just be thinking about it, and bullshitting myself on this forum about it till they get restocked.

My biggest concern is for grinds, but might be more fun to learn shit. Maybe it's what I've needed in these past 15+ years.
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Currently running magic carpet on both my setups:

Venture 5.2 low on an 8.25 and Ace 44s on a 8.875 shaped. I prefer it to hotrodding. I do a lot of slappies on both and it has never messed me up at all. Can't say if it's helped my flip tricks (mostly heels and shitty varial heels) but it certainly hasn't hurt them.

5.2 lo on 8.25 is hot. Overhang works the best for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 21, 2020, 01:11:44 PM
Quote from: Ok on July 21, 2020, 01:10:26 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on July 21, 2020, 08:28:41 AM
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Quote from: TurdyBird on July 20, 2020, 08:32:23 PM
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Anyone ever do the magic carpet ride? I like riding big boards, but the obvious is that they are a lil more difficult to flip around. After listening to Ishod's Stop n chat board discussion, been thinking about trying Thunder 148s on an 8.5. Thinkin about making it "tippier" in his words, might help get that board flickin around easier.

Biggest thing in my way is SW hasn't gotten a new shipment in what seems like over a month. Hoping they do soon. Otherwise, I'm gonna just be thinking about it, and bullshitting myself on this forum about it till they get restocked.

My biggest concern is for grinds, but might be more fun to learn shit. Maybe it's what I've needed in these past 15+ years.
[close]

Currently running magic carpet on both my setups:

Venture 5.2 low on an 8.25 and Ace 44s on a 8.875 shaped. I prefer it to hotrodding. I do a lot of slappies on both and it has never messed me up at all. Can't say if it's helped my flip tricks (mostly heels and shitty varial heels) but it certainly hasn't hurt them.
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5.2 lo on 8.25 is hot. Overhang works the best for me.

I like it, doesn't look or feel weird to me at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sharkin on July 21, 2020, 01:24:15 PM
Quote from: slutonparade on July 21, 2020, 09:20:02 AM
Med/Hard 92a Conical

my favorite bushings!

i'm 175lbs and like to ride my trucks medium-loose
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 21, 2020, 01:42:22 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on July 21, 2020, 01:11:44 PM
Quote from: Ok on July 21, 2020, 01:10:26 PM
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Quote from: FrozenIndustries on July 21, 2020, 08:28:41 AM
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Quote from: TurdyBird on July 20, 2020, 08:32:23 PM
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Anyone ever do the magic carpet ride? I like riding big boards, but the obvious is that they are a lil more difficult to flip around. After listening to Ishod's Stop n chat board discussion, been thinking about trying Thunder 148s on an 8.5. Thinkin about making it "tippier" in his words, might help get that board flickin around easier.

Biggest thing in my way is SW hasn't gotten a new shipment in what seems like over a month. Hoping they do soon. Otherwise, I'm gonna just be thinking about it, and bullshitting myself on this forum about it till they get restocked.

My biggest concern is for grinds, but might be more fun to learn shit. Maybe it's what I've needed in these past 15+ years.
[close]

Currently running magic carpet on both my setups:

Venture 5.2 low on an 8.25 and Ace 44s on a 8.875 shaped. I prefer it to hotrodding. I do a lot of slappies on both and it has never messed me up at all. Can't say if it's helped my flip tricks (mostly heels and shitty varial heels) but it certainly hasn't hurt them.
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5.2 lo on 8.25 is hot. Overhang works the best for me.
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I like it, doesn't look or feel weird to me at all.

Plus flips decently, in my experience. If I get too self conscious about my baby board that’ll be the move for me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MalHuis on July 22, 2020, 01:05:19 AM
Quote from: Solid bowlcut on July 21, 2020, 12:56:36 PM
Anyone running Bones mediums on Thunders, or have experiences with it?

Bump!!

I also wanna know. Busy breaking in some 148 teams. Great truck but cant get it loose enough to my liking. Dont get me wrong i like it a lot but if i HAVE to change the bushings will bones meds make them more turney? Heard all kinds of shit with bones changing geo etc what your take?

My madness is telling me just leave them stock, great truck either way.

However if they go much stiffer i might maybe just have to.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: oneOone on July 22, 2020, 02:55:06 AM
Quote from: MalHuis on July 22, 2020, 01:05:19 AM
Quote from: Solid bowlcut on July 21, 2020, 12:56:36 PM
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Anyone running Bones mediums on Thunders, or have experiences with it?
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Bump!!

I also wanna know. Busy breaking in some 148 teams. Great truck but cant get it loose enough to my liking. Dont get me wrong i like it a lot but if i HAVE to change the bushings will bones meds make them more turney? Heard all kinds of shit with bones changing geo etc what your take?

My madness is telling me just leave them stock, great truck either way.

However if they go much stiffer i might maybe just have to.

I do Bones hards or medium in my 147 TI, sometomes they only last like half a hear for me but I deal with it, no washers.

If you fear geometrical changes you can keep the stock bottom washer and bushing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solid bowlcut on July 22, 2020, 04:16:07 AM
Quote from: oneOone on July 22, 2020, 02:55:06 AM
Quote from: MalHuis on July 22, 2020, 01:05:19 AM
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Quote from: Solid bowlcut on July 21, 2020, 12:56:36 PM
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Anyone running Bones mediums on Thunders, or have experiences with it?
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Bump!!

I also wanna know. Busy breaking in some 148 teams. Great truck but cant get it loose enough to my liking. Dont get me wrong i like it a lot but if i HAVE to change the bushings will bones meds make them more turney? Heard all kinds of shit with bones changing geo etc what your take?

My madness is telling me just leave them stock, great truck either way.

However if they go much stiffer i might maybe just have to.
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I do Bones hards or medium in my 147 TI, sometomes they only last like half a hear for me but I deal with it, no washers.

If you fear geometrical changes you can keep the stock bottom washer and bushing.
Are the stock bushings same size for 147 and bigger trucks since the bigger ones are also higher? Nothing against how stock bushings feel but they tend to break really fast for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: KushBush on July 22, 2020, 10:40:27 AM
In my thunder 149 teams I just swapped the top washer on both of them for a bones flat washer. I really like the turn of ace, and have found this little thing to make my thunders super surfy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on July 22, 2020, 01:52:55 PM
Quote from: MalHuis on July 22, 2020, 01:05:19 AM
Bump!!

I also wanna know. Busy breaking in some 148 teams. Great truck but cant get it loose enough to my liking. Dont get me wrong i like it a lot but if i HAVE to change the bushings will bones meds make them more turney? Heard all kinds of shit with bones changing geo etc what your take?

My madness is telling me just leave them stock, great truck either way.

However if they go much stiffer i might maybe just have to.



Quote from: KushBush on July 22, 2020, 10:40:27 AM
In my thunder 149 teams I just swapped the top washer on both of them for a bones flat washer. I really like the turn of ace, and have found this little thing to make my thunders super surfy.



MalHuis, try a flat washer ^ or no top washer at all. flat washers work great on Thunders and Ventures.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MalHuis on July 22, 2020, 11:59:29 PM
Quote from: BL0B on July 22, 2020, 01:52:55 PM
Quote from: MalHuis on July 22, 2020, 01:05:19 AM
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Bump!!

I also wanna know. Busy breaking in some 148 teams. Great truck but cant get it loose enough to my liking. Dont get me wrong i like it a lot but if i HAVE to change the bushings will bones meds make them more turney? Heard all kinds of shit with bones changing geo etc what your take?

My madness is telling me just leave them stock, great truck either way.

However if they go much stiffer i might maybe just have to.
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Quote from: KushBush on July 22, 2020, 10:40:27 AM
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In my thunder 149 teams I just swapped the top washer on both of them for a bones flat washer. I really like the turn of ace, and have found this little thing to make my thunders super surfy.
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MalHuis, try a flat washer ^ or no top washer at all. flat washers work great on Thunders and Ventures.

There we go, here is the insight i was looking for. Thanks gentleman! Will do the top washer and see the difference it makes and report back. Either this or will go full person and go bones :)

So the madness starts with the Thunders!!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: KushBush on July 23, 2020, 10:04:07 AM
Quote from: MalHuis on July 22, 2020, 11:59:29 PM
Quote from: BL0B on July 22, 2020, 01:52:55 PM
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Quote from: MalHuis on July 22, 2020, 01:05:19 AM
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Bump!!

I also wanna know. Busy breaking in some 148 teams. Great truck but cant get it loose enough to my liking. Dont get me wrong i like it a lot but if i HAVE to change the bushings will bones meds make them more turney? Heard all kinds of shit with bones changing geo etc what your take?

My madness is telling me just leave them stock, great truck either way.

However if they go much stiffer i might maybe just have to.
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Quote from: KushBush on July 22, 2020, 10:40:27 AM
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In my thunder 149 teams I just swapped the top washer on both of them for a bones flat washer. I really like the turn of ace, and have found this little thing to make my thunders super surfy.
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MalHuis, try a flat washer ^ or no top washer at all. flat washers work great on Thunders and Ventures.
[close]

There we go, here is the insight i was looking for. Thanks gentleman! Will do the top washer and see the difference it makes and report back. Either this or will go full person and go bones :)

So the madness starts with the Thunders!!

I’d also like to add that I only weigh 120lbs, and had trouble with thunders feeling too tight (especially coming from ace). But with trading the stock top for a flat top washer it made a noticeable difference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 23, 2020, 12:30:10 PM
Quote from: KushBush on July 23, 2020, 10:04:07 AM
Quote from: MalHuis on July 22, 2020, 11:59:29 PM
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Quote from: BL0B on July 22, 2020, 01:52:55 PM
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Quote from: MalHuis on July 22, 2020, 01:05:19 AM
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Bump!!

I also wanna know. Busy breaking in some 148 teams. Great truck but cant get it loose enough to my liking. Dont get me wrong i like it a lot but if i HAVE to change the bushings will bones meds make them more turney? Heard all kinds of shit with bones changing geo etc what your take?

My madness is telling me just leave them stock, great truck either way.

However if they go much stiffer i might maybe just have to.
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Quote from: KushBush on July 22, 2020, 10:40:27 AM
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In my thunder 149 teams I just swapped the top washer on both of them for a bones flat washer. I really like the turn of ace, and have found this little thing to make my thunders super surfy.
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MalHuis, try a flat washer ^ or no top washer at all. flat washers work great on Thunders and Ventures.
[close]

There we go, here is the insight i was looking for. Thanks gentleman! Will do the top washer and see the difference it makes and report back. Either this or will go full person and go bones :)

So the madness starts with the Thunders!!
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I’d also like to add that I only weigh 120lbs, and had trouble with thunders feeling too tight (especially coming from ace). But with trading the stock top for a flat top washer it made a noticeable difference.

I'm running some 147s with those sleeved flat washers (which are a couple hairs thicker than normal) + Indy aftermarket 88a conicals, feels great and can't see/feel any difference in geo at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 23, 2020, 02:44:28 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 23, 2020, 12:30:10 PM
Quote from: KushBush on July 23, 2020, 10:04:07 AM
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Quote from: MalHuis on July 22, 2020, 11:59:29 PM
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Quote from: BL0B on July 22, 2020, 01:52:55 PM
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Quote from: MalHuis on July 22, 2020, 01:05:19 AM
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Bump!!

I also wanna know. Busy breaking in some 148 teams. Great truck but cant get it loose enough to my liking. Dont get me wrong i like it a lot but if i HAVE to change the bushings will bones meds make them more turney? Heard all kinds of shit with bones changing geo etc what your take?

My madness is telling me just leave them stock, great truck either way.

However if they go much stiffer i might maybe just have to.
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Quote from: KushBush on July 22, 2020, 10:40:27 AM
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In my thunder 149 teams I just swapped the top washer on both of them for a bones flat washer. I really like the turn of ace, and have found this little thing to make my thunders super surfy.
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MalHuis, try a flat washer ^ or no top washer at all. flat washers work great on Thunders and Ventures.
[close]

There we go, here is the insight i was looking for. Thanks gentleman! Will do the top washer and see the difference it makes and report back. Either this or will go full person and go bones :)

So the madness starts with the Thunders!!
[close]

I’d also like to add that I only weigh 120lbs, and had trouble with thunders feeling too tight (especially coming from ace). But with trading the stock top for a flat top washer it made a noticeable difference.
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I'm running some 147s with those sleeved flat washers (which are a couple hairs thicker than normal) + Indy aftermarket 88a conicals, feels great and can't see/feel any difference in geo at all.

8.125”? 8.25”? What are you using the 147s with? After that Ishod talk I put some 147s on an 8.38, with the spaced out washers. Haven’t had a chance to skate tho. I think boards that big just aren’t for me. Slow learner. But the overall vibe/idea, would probably do ok if I did 145s on like 7.9. Baby board
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 23, 2020, 03:51:18 PM
Quote from: Ok on July 23, 2020, 02:44:28 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 23, 2020, 12:30:10 PM
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Bump!!

I also wanna know. Busy breaking in some 148 teams. Great truck but cant get it loose enough to my liking. Dont get me wrong i like it a lot but if i HAVE to change the bushings will bones meds make them more turney? Heard all kinds of shit with bones changing geo etc what your take?

My madness is telling me just leave them stock, great truck either way.

However if they go much stiffer i might maybe just have to.
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Quote from: KushBush on July 22, 2020, 10:40:27 AM
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In my thunder 149 teams I just swapped the top washer on both of them for a bones flat washer. I really like the turn of ace, and have found this little thing to make my thunders super surfy.
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MalHuis, try a flat washer ^ or no top washer at all. flat washers work great on Thunders and Ventures.
[close]

There we go, here is the insight i was looking for. Thanks gentleman! Will do the top washer and see the difference it makes and report back. Either this or will go full person and go bones :)

So the madness starts with the Thunders!!
[close]

I’d also like to add that I only weigh 120lbs, and had trouble with thunders feeling too tight (especially coming from ace). But with trading the stock top for a flat top washer it made a noticeable difference.
[close]

I'm running some 147s with those sleeved flat washers (which are a couple hairs thicker than normal) + Indy aftermarket 88a conicals, feels great and can't see/feel any difference in geo at all.
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8.125”? 8.25”? What are you using the 147s with? After that Ishod talk I put some 147s on an 8.38, with the spaced out washers. Haven’t had a chance to skate tho. I think boards that big just aren’t for me. Slow learner. But the overall vibe/idea, would probably do ok if I did 145s on like 7.9. Baby board

I was riding them on an 8.25" Plan B (yeah yeah, but it's all I could find that was PStix and with a short tail and man, the tail is flat and small as fuck) and it tapers near the tail.

Now I've got them on and 8.2" Palace (it's a true 8.2") with a 14.25" WB. Feels really good with the steep kicks/Thunders.

Taken while mounting on the Plan b (which is why they are not screwed down all the way)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/KMdXQIyt8oed1sDa8y3F668FzDMTl9k50HuezRdeVSxWZ6pamziNpS8kPH4f_SCAG3Otna8OVMI7rTA5WzV1ByhXLMjFrlqrEFLd2KS6bvHU5wlkEgmSO-jTA6X_pxQ3R2SuixDP8ZI)

The low profile Ti nuts really help with thunders, not due to weight but if you are not using low tops you can get regs tops on and not have to crank them down if you ride loose.

Stripped the baseplates (bright fucking blue) couldn't be bothered with the hangers. Too much work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 23, 2020, 03:56:14 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 23, 2020, 03:51:18 PM
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Bump!!

I also wanna know. Busy breaking in some 148 teams. Great truck but cant get it loose enough to my liking. Dont get me wrong i like it a lot but if i HAVE to change the bushings will bones meds make them more turney? Heard all kinds of shit with bones changing geo etc what your take?

My madness is telling me just leave them stock, great truck either way.

However if they go much stiffer i might maybe just have to.
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Quote from: KushBush on July 22, 2020, 10:40:27 AM
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In my thunder 149 teams I just swapped the top washer on both of them for a bones flat washer. I really like the turn of ace, and have found this little thing to make my thunders super surfy.
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MalHuis, try a flat washer ^ or no top washer at all. flat washers work great on Thunders and Ventures.
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There we go, here is the insight i was looking for. Thanks gentleman! Will do the top washer and see the difference it makes and report back. Either this or will go full person and go bones :)

So the madness starts with the Thunders!!
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I’d also like to add that I only weigh 120lbs, and had trouble with thunders feeling too tight (especially coming from ace). But with trading the stock top for a flat top washer it made a noticeable difference.
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I'm running some 147s with those sleeved flat washers (which are a couple hairs thicker than normal) + Indy aftermarket 88a conicals, feels great and can't see/feel any difference in geo at all.
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8.125”? 8.25”? What are you using the 147s with? After that Ishod talk I put some 147s on an 8.38, with the spaced out washers. Haven’t had a chance to skate tho. I think boards that big just aren’t for me. Slow learner. But the overall vibe/idea, would probably do ok if I did 145s on like 7.9. Baby board
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I was riding them on an 8.25" Plan B (yeah yeah, but it's all I could find that was PStix and with a short tail and man, the tail is flat and small as fuck) and it tapers near the tail.

Now I've got them on and 8.2" Palace (it's a true 8.2") with a 14.25" WB. Feels really good with the steep kicks/Thunders.

Taken while mounting on the Plan b (which is why they are not screwed down all the way)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/KMdXQIyt8oed1sDa8y3F668FzDMTl9k50HuezRdeVSxWZ6pamziNpS8kPH4f_SCAG3Otna8OVMI7rTA5WzV1ByhXLMjFrlqrEFLd2KS6bvHU5wlkEgmSO-jTA6X_pxQ3R2SuixDP8ZI)

Stripped the baseplates (bright fucking blue) couldn't be bothered with the hangers. Too much work.


How’s the Palace?
Plan B used to have really quality boards, so rattle can was the way. Shit maybe they still do. I like PS and I’ll take what I can get. There isn’t a lot of companies making sick 7.75-8 boards, so whatever. I mean ideally it’d be a strangelove or DOA or someone cool but yeah, I been there.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Bump!!

I also wanna know. Busy breaking in some 148 teams. Great truck but cant get it loose enough to my liking. Dont get me wrong i like it a lot but if i HAVE to change the bushings will bones meds make them more turney? Heard all kinds of shit with bones changing geo etc what your take?

My madness is telling me just leave them stock, great truck either way.

However if they go much stiffer i might maybe just have to.
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Quote from: KushBush on July 22, 2020, 10:40:27 AM
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In my thunder 149 teams I just swapped the top washer on both of them for a bones flat washer. I really like the turn of ace, and have found this little thing to make my thunders super surfy.
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MalHuis, try a flat washer ^ or no top washer at all. flat washers work great on Thunders and Ventures.
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There we go, here is the insight i was looking for. Thanks gentleman! Will do the top washer and see the difference it makes and report back. Either this or will go full person and go bones :)

So the madness starts with the Thunders!!
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I’d also like to add that I only weigh 120lbs, and had trouble with thunders feeling too tight (especially coming from ace). But with trading the stock top for a flat top washer it made a noticeable difference.
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I'm running some 147s with those sleeved flat washers (which are a couple hairs thicker than normal) + Indy aftermarket 88a conicals, feels great and can't see/feel any difference in geo at all.
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8.125”? 8.25”? What are you using the 147s with? After that Ishod talk I put some 147s on an 8.38, with the spaced out washers. Haven’t had a chance to skate tho. I think boards that big just aren’t for me. Slow learner. But the overall vibe/idea, would probably do ok if I did 145s on like 7.9. Baby board
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I was riding them on an 8.25" Plan B (yeah yeah, but it's all I could find that was PStix and with a short tail and man, the tail is flat and small as fuck) and it tapers near the tail.

Now I've got them on and 8.2" Palace (it's a true 8.2") with a 14.25" WB. Feels really good with the steep kicks/Thunders.

Taken while mounting on the Plan b (which is why they are not screwed down all the way)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/KMdXQIyt8oed1sDa8y3F668FzDMTl9k50HuezRdeVSxWZ6pamziNpS8kPH4f_SCAG3Otna8OVMI7rTA5WzV1ByhXLMjFrlqrEFLd2KS6bvHU5wlkEgmSO-jTA6X_pxQ3R2SuixDP8ZI)

Stripped the baseplates (bright fucking blue) couldn't be bothered with the hangers. Too much work.
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How’s the Palace?
Plan B used to have really quality boards, so rattle can was the way. Shit maybe they still do. I like PS and I’ll take what I can get. There isn’t a lot of companies making sick 7.75-8 boards, so whatever. I mean ideally it’d be a strangelove or DOA or someone cool but yeah, I been there.

The PB and Palace boards couldn't be any more different.

Plan b feels softer (PSStix) But I got used to it...it might have been too short (31.5"

Palace is stiffer (Dwindle)

Plan b tail is suuuuuuper short and mellow, crazy how mellow the kick was, I'm still not sure if I like it or hate it? Tapered at the tail - it's defiantly an odd bird as far as the dims and press go.

If you like the way Dwindle wood feels you'll like them.

With all the 8.2s I've been riding I find myself more comfortable in 8.3s...always have.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 23, 2020, 05:58:56 PM
I know you were all asking for them but, SkateWarehouse has Tensor bushings.
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Tensor_90a_Bushings_1_Truck/descpage-TN90ABU.html
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solid bowlcut on July 24, 2020, 01:50:10 PM
After five sessions with Thunder 151, i busted one of the bushings. It isn't first time even busting those out etremely fast. People give so much shit to Indy about bushings and look straight past Thunder because those bushings are far worse than anything on the market durability wise. Love the trucks, hate the constant bushing replacement.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 24, 2020, 02:08:23 PM
That sucks. I have had great luck with the Thunder stock white bushings. Just broke in some new 151s myself. They came with the clear blue ones but I threw in some old white ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on July 24, 2020, 02:39:14 PM
I’m really liking my Thunder 148’s with a Krux barrel bushing on the bottom. Kept the stock conical orange/gold one on top. No break in time whatsoever, I had a good session on my first day.

Kinda slows down the twitchiness and the wheel bite while still giving a smooth and quick enough turn, feels like a turnier Venture. Manuals feel so good with these. I like my trucks loose/medium-loose, but never wobbly loose, and they’re perfect for me. I’m 195-200lbs by the way.

I’ve been riding ‘em like this for about 4 weeks and I dig it. Haven’t touched my 5.6’s since, actually.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lamfordie on July 25, 2020, 09:31:43 PM
What inverted kingpin work for ace trucks if possible? I've seen a couple people do that and I'm interested to do that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 26, 2020, 08:27:30 AM
Krux down lo.....only knock is the nut might spin so adjusting your trucks once mounted may be problematic.  If you are one of those guys who don't really touch their trucks it's fine.  Overall, I think it's a good set up.  Aces the clearance is just so-so and they grind down fast....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on July 26, 2020, 11:30:38 PM
where can i get a set of small ass trucks? smaller than the indy 109s

i am having trouble finding some small trucks for a old school carving type board. i have hangars but no baseplates
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on July 26, 2020, 11:59:43 PM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on July 26, 2020, 11:30:38 PM
where can i get a set of small ass trucks? smaller than the indy 109s

i am having trouble finding some small trucks for a old school carving type board. i have hangars but no baseplates

https://www.tactics.com/independent/109-stage-11-silver-t-hanger-skateboard-trucks

Aren't all Independent truck baseplates universal fit?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on July 27, 2020, 01:53:41 AM
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where can i get a set of small ass trucks? smaller than the indy 109s

i am having trouble finding some small trucks for a old school carving type board. i have hangars but no baseplates
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https://www.tactics.com/independent/109-stage-11-silver-t-hanger-skateboard-trucks

Aren't all Independent truck baseplates universal fit?
Not if they’re different stages.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on July 27, 2020, 02:33:00 AM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  on July 27, 2020, 01:53:41 AM
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Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on July 26, 2020, 11:30:38 PM
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where can i get a set of small ass trucks? smaller than the indy 109s

i am having trouble finding some small trucks for a old school carving type board. i have hangars but no baseplates
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https://www.tactics.com/independent/109-stage-11-silver-t-hanger-skateboard-trucks

Aren't all Independent truck baseplates universal fit?
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Not if they’re different stages.

My bad, I'm a dumb guy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 27, 2020, 04:16:14 AM
Quote from: Xen on July 23, 2020, 12:30:10 PM

I'm running some 147s with those sleeved flat washers (which are a couple hairs thicker than normal) + Indy aftermarket 88a conicals, feels great and can't see/feel any difference in geo at all.


Where did you get your sleeved washers? I looked at the array ones but they were like $25 for a set and that seems even crazier than $15 pivot cups to me. I would think there has to be some plumbing or electrical supply type place that sells them for normal washer prices.

Also despite having arguably the worst graphics in the industry, the 8.25 Plan B shape is awesome. I have the yellow sheffey one and it's really short (31.25) and has a really little and mellow tail but a full size nose. I thought the tail would be hard to get used to but it was actually not an issue at all and since it's so compact and light I really like it for tre flips and other stuff that I sometimes struggle to get a full rotation on. I like the 14.25 wb but I think a slightly shorter one like 14.12 would make it even better. Ive heard the Business and Company 8.25 is kind of similar - really short, mellow tail, terrible graphics etc. - so I might have to try one of those when my plan B dies.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on July 27, 2020, 05:06:38 AM
running ace top bushing and shaved doh doh soft tops in my 151s.

little rattly in the front and half a turn tighter in the back. might be in my head but im landing shit cleaner to avoid wheelbite, and once i got familiar with the amount of turn before bite it hasnt been much of an issue since
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on July 27, 2020, 06:26:49 PM
So I’ve had an 8.25 sitting in my basement for over a year (normally riding an 8.06 full with 5.2 Ventures).


Anyhow, I just bought a set of red Indy aftermarket bushings to see if I could make the 8.25 skateable with either the Stage 10 149s or Stage 8 146s also sitting in my basement.

The good news it that he trucks now tilt with the nut tightened close to flush. The bad news is that they still don’t turn especially well. Did I simply pick bad Indy designs for this experiment? It’s like they are tippy but not turny. WTF?


Ive skated a friend’s stage 11s and they feel wayyyy more turny.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 11112345 on July 28, 2020, 08:44:41 PM
can anyone speak on how venture 5.6s turn & feel overall compared to the 6.1s?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on July 28, 2020, 10:56:15 PM
Quote from: Willie on July 27, 2020, 06:26:49 PM
So I’ve had an 8.25 sitting in my basement for over a year (normally riding an 8.06 full with 5.2 Ventures).


Anyhow, I just bought a set of red Indy aftermarket bushings to see if I could make the 8.25 skateable with either the Stage 10 149s or Stage 8 146s also sitting in my basement.

The good news it that he trucks now tilt with the nut tightened close to flush. The bad news is that they still don’t turn especially well. Did I simply pick bad Indy designs for this experiment? It’s like they are tippy but not turny. WTF?


Ive skated a friend’s stage 11s and they feel wayyyy more turny.

How new are the bushing? I'm sitting on a pair of semi-new Indys and the bushings are not worn in at all, couldn't lean or turn at all. So skating with them to break them in or even boiling them may help.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on July 29, 2020, 07:46:03 AM
I received a handful of e-mails about polycarbonate risers and because I made 3 sets and am out of material I thought I would share some information on an easy way to make them. I found a company that will cut polycarbonate to size (min. order 10 pcs for $10).

https://www.tapplastics.com/product/plastics/cut_to_size_plastic/polycarbonate_sheets/516

1.) measure your base plates in mm.
2.) type in w x l.
3.) select qty 10 (should be $1.00 per piece).
4.) when you receive the plastic use your base plate as a template.
5.) Clamp or secure baseplate and tap all 4 holes.
6.) Cut some weight out of the middle with a hole saw—make sure the teeth are small (i.e. do not use a wood bit). Try a metal or plastic bit.

Some of this may be obvious to some but I made a mistake using a plastic riser as a template. Best to use actual truck holes.

Good luck to those that try to make there own. DM me with questions.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on July 30, 2020, 10:45:56 AM
Big shoutout to @GardenSkater77 for not only the risers he hooked me up with, but for the free sauce above ^

Between my rails, rubber risers, and soft wheels, my cruiser’s pop felt dead as hell. Way too soft feeling. It’s not completely night and day with my other factors, but the PC risers definitely help reclaim some of that snap that this set up was missing. Appreciate it, GS77!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 31, 2020, 08:54:24 AM
Anyone else ever try Caliber trucks? They're mostly known for making longboard trucks but I found a pair of the 8.5 street ones for like $30 and decided to try them. I'm actually really enjoying them. I have a sprained ankle so I'm really limited to just rolling around and boppin down hills and stuff and they excel at that. Interesting shit:

- They have 8 hole baseplates so you can adjust the effective wheelbase. I've got them on a 14" wb doomsayers deck and using the wider holes puts it around 17.25, so +3.25. Didn't try the narrow ones yet.

- 92a blood orange bushings and they're really tight from the factory which is right up my alley. They do loosen up pretty quick but still you nut gluers and bushing shavers might not like these. They have really snappy rebound kinda like a slightly harder thunder.

- The hangers are kinda crazy looking. Lots of straight lines and sharp angles kinda like the theeve tu-hangers. Guessing there was a lot of computer input/cnc on the design.

Weight is hefty but not overly beefy, about 390g. Didn't measure the height. So far they're intriguing but I'm only getting half the story since I can't ollie or even powerslide right now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 31, 2020, 11:22:00 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on July 31, 2020, 08:54:24 AM
Anyone else ever try Caliber trucks? They're mostly known for making longboard trucks but I found a pair of the 8.5 street ones for like $30 and decided to try them. I'm actually really enjoying them. I have a sprained ankle so I'm really limited to just rolling around and boppin down hills and stuff and they excel at that. Interesting shit:

- They have 8 hole baseplates so you can adjust the effective wheelbase. I've got them on a 14" wb doomsayers deck and using the wider holes puts it around 17.25, so +3.25. Didn't try the narrow ones yet.

- 92a blood orange bushings and they're really tight from the factory which is right up my alley. They do loosen up pretty quick but still you nut gluers and bushing shavers might not like these. They have really snappy rebound kinda like a slightly harder thunder.

- The hangers are kinda crazy looking. Lots of straight lines and sharp angles kinda like the theeve tu-hangers. Guessing there was a lot of computer input/cnc on the design.

Weight is hefty but not overly beefy, about 390g. Didn't measure the height. So far they're intriguing but I'm only getting half the story since I can't ollie or even powerslide right now.

BMC did the Caliber thing a while back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sadnocomply on July 31, 2020, 12:40:55 PM
What’s the best method/tool to removing pivot cups? Finally got some riptides and my stock pivot cups aren’t budging
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on July 31, 2020, 12:49:35 PM

@sadnocomply had a tough time w my ventures. Blade + pliers. Took a little bit. Just had to mess with it for a while.
But new Indy 169 just now came out without a tool. Stuck to the hanger.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 31, 2020, 01:21:55 PM
Quote from: sadnocomply on July 31, 2020, 12:40:55 PM
What’s the best method/tool to removing pivot cups? Finally got some riptides and my stock pivot cups aren’t budging

Use a king pin and pry it out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on July 31, 2020, 01:23:07 PM
Quote from: sadnocomply on July 31, 2020, 12:40:55 PM
What’s the best method/tool to removing pivot cups? Finally got some riptides and my stock pivot cups aren’t budging
Put the trucks on whatever board - remove the hanger and use a flat head screwdriver (handle facing inwards towards the center of the deck) as a lever against the baseplate to pry the pivot cup out. You might need to use a little pressure, because the air needs to get under the cup, once it does, you should be able to get a lip out far enough to use needle nose pliers and then you just sorta wiggle it out slowly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 31, 2020, 01:23:35 PM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uiOjCUBYbWaVfa0B20M6-CCWk_OCJ1Rq4gwBHwhKObcOEjbLX2hlk3dHnNzz4DnL74pMHIg80QQMNFNiZ8574OETCpgqawk2v-hpBIqXVwBqNDZZysmdKKFILLR6RUqsk6Bv6GdFsjg)

Been a while since I was on Indy TI (not since they've moved production to China), guess they are screening under the hanger now?

144s
88a Supercush
Riptides (force of habit these days - the stock cups seemed pretty nice, squishy, not that cheap hard shit)
Muir washers (I love these things)
Ti nuts all around
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on July 31, 2020, 01:53:07 PM
Needle nose pliers are the ultimate tool for pivot cup removal. New Ti Indy's looking good Xen, notice any better of a turn with the new revisions?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on July 31, 2020, 04:42:40 PM
compressed air works great on pivot cups also. i usually just get them out with the axel and then needlenose if that don't work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 01, 2020, 12:29:51 AM
Quote from: Xen on July 31, 2020, 01:23:35 PM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uiOjCUBYbWaVfa0B20M6-CCWk_OCJ1Rq4gwBHwhKObcOEjbLX2hlk3dHnNzz4DnL74pMHIg80QQMNFNiZ8574OETCpgqawk2v-hpBIqXVwBqNDZZysmdKKFILLR6RUqsk6Bv6GdFsjg)

Been a while since I was on Indy TI (not since they've moved production to China), guess they are screening under the hanger now?

144s
88a Supercush
Riptides (force of habit these days - the stock cups seemed pretty nice, squishy, not that cheap hard shit)
Muir washers (I love these things)
Ti nuts all around

Just a sidenote if you want softer pivot cups and don't want to pay $15, you can get khiro softs for like $1. They fit fine in indys (a little overlap but you can trim that if you want to make it a pain in the ass to remove them in the future), venture, and every other truck I've tried them in. Just beware that Khiro is out of business so whats on the market now is all that there's going to be, so I'd suggest stocking up if you like them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 01, 2020, 10:18:35 AM
http://youtu.be/OofpsC6MoSs

Seems like both Krux and Indy inverted kingpins are the same.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: RoadSodas on August 01, 2020, 05:39:22 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/QcFpgph/B6-A7-D324-EC42-4-BB7-B1-B4-3831-D6154111.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QcFpgph)

(https://i.ibb.co/61YnWHy/8-D8-DE7-D1-95-E8-4927-89-E0-D0-A19-F54-A201.jpg) (https://ibb.co/61YnWHy)


169s w/ Bones Mediums on an Anti Hero 8.38 FULL

Normally skate 8.5s and 159s, but my truck with my board was stolen a few years back and wanted to try these bigger trucks when it came time to buy new shit. Then i have some Ace 44s so decided i'd downsize but theyre just too small of trucks for what i like, so i decided im gonna slap these big bad mother fuckers on this.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sammyz on August 01, 2020, 06:02:12 PM
I read/heard recently a pro was using 2 top bushings on Indy trucks, reducing the height and helping the turn...has anyone tried this?

Seems to me the geometry would change a lot and the kingpin would he too exposed as youd have screw down the bolt more...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on August 02, 2020, 04:35:27 AM
Not worth starting a thread over but I'm starting to succumb  to truck madness. Currently on 5.8 ventutes but have a pair of 149 Indy hollows. Is the general idea ventures extend WB and work better on mellow kicks/more fingers of flat while Indy's shorten WB and are better for steep kicks/less fingers of flat?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sadnocomply on August 02, 2020, 06:46:10 AM
Quote from: Big Baby Jesus on August 02, 2020, 04:35:27 AM
Not worth starting a thread over but I'm starting to succumb  to truck madness. Currently on 5.8 ventutes but have a pair of 149 Indy hollows. Is the general idea ventures extend WB and work better on mellow kicks/more fingers of flat while Indy's shorten WB and are better for steep kicks/less fingers of flat?
in theory yes but everyone has their own preference
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on August 02, 2020, 07:16:43 AM
Quote from: sadnocomply on August 02, 2020, 06:46:10 AM
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Not worth starting a thread over but I'm starting to succumb  to truck madness. Currently on 5.8 ventutes but have a pair of 149 Indy hollows. Is the general idea ventures extend WB and work better on mellow kicks/more fingers of flat while Indy's shorten WB and are better for steep kicks/less fingers of flat?
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in theory yes but everyone has their own preference

I'm about to set up a polar with a 14.5 WB and 2 fingers of flat so I'm torn between my broken in ventures or putting the Indy's back on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 02, 2020, 07:23:49 AM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on August 01, 2020, 10:18:35 AM
http://youtu.be/OofpsC6MoSs

Seems like both Krux and Indy inverted kingpins are the same.

I was listening to a podcast where Alex White lead on to them being different but I could see it happening. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 02, 2020, 07:47:39 AM
Quote from: Big Baby Jesus on August 02, 2020, 07:16:43 AM
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Not worth starting a thread over but I'm starting to succumb  to truck madness. Currently on 5.8 ventutes but have a pair of 149 Indy hollows. Is the general idea ventures extend WB and work better on mellow kicks/more fingers of flat while Indy's shorten WB and are better for steep kicks/less fingers of flat?
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in theory yes but everyone has their own preference
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I'm about to set up a polar with a 14.5 WB and 2 fingers of flat so I'm torn between my broken in ventures or putting the Indy's back on.

Every time I've gone down the rabbit hole of changing trucks because of moving to a different deck shape I've regretted it. It's way easier to get used to a different  shape than an different set of trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 02, 2020, 08:48:49 AM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on August 01, 2020, 10:18:35 AM
http://youtu.be/OofpsC6MoSs

Seems like both Krux and Indy inverted kingpins are the same.

So shes the reason there are kittens, jellybeans, hotdogs, faux fur, woodgrain and such all over Krux....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 02, 2020, 08:50:58 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on August 01, 2020, 12:29:51 AM
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Been a while since I was on Indy TI (not since they've moved production to China), guess they are screening under the hanger now?

144s
88a Supercush
Riptides (force of habit these days - the stock cups seemed pretty nice, squishy, not that cheap hard shit)
Muir washers (I love these things)
Ti nuts all around
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Just a sidenote if you want softer pivot cups and don't want to pay $15, you can get khiro softs for like $1. They fit fine in indys (a little overlap but you can trim that if you want to make it a pain in the ass to remove them in the future), venture, and every other truck I've tried them in. Just beware that Khiro is out of business so whats on the market now is all that there's going to be, so I'd suggest stocking up if you like them.

Ran khiros forever like 10 years ago...sad they went out of biz.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on August 02, 2020, 10:03:33 AM
I bought two of those tackle boxes full of khiro product back in the day. I still have some pivot cups luckily. It's probably why I haven't bought the riptides.

I knew the guy behind khiro passed, but I didn't know that they shut it down.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on August 02, 2020, 11:37:07 AM
Quote from: FrenchFriedClownFingers on July 26, 2020, 11:30:38 PM
where can i get a set of small ass trucks? smaller than the indy 109s

i am having trouble finding some small trucks for a old school carving type board. i have hangars but no baseplates

https://www.tactics.com/ace/00-hi-skateboard-trucks/polished-silver
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on August 02, 2020, 01:04:29 PM
Quote from: layzieyez on August 02, 2020, 10:03:33 AM
I bought two of those tackle boxes full of khiro product back in the day. I still have some pivot cups luckily. It's probably why I haven't bought the riptides.

I knew the guy behind khiro passed, but I didn't know that they shut it down.

i noticed that it was shut down, but didn't know why, that's really sad.

it was a bit more of a longboard focused company, but they made bushings and risers of like every shape and urethane duro, back when there weren't a lot of options for that sort of thing. shame to watch em go.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Shagohod on August 02, 2020, 03:07:03 PM
anybody ride standard thunder 147's, or any size with the same height, with 56+mm wheels?

the madness is real right now. debating going from indy ti 139 to standard 139 for ridiculous reasons.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: troy on August 02, 2020, 03:07:50 PM
Needle nose pliers work well to remove a pivot cup. Does anyone know what the dimensions are for venture low bushings? Like how tall each bushing is?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on August 02, 2020, 03:12:37 PM
Quote from: Shagohod on August 02, 2020, 03:07:03 PM
anybody ride standard thunder 147's, or any size with the same height, with 56+mm wheels?

the madness is real right now. debating going from indy ti 139 to standard 139 for ridiculous reasons.

I can’t imagine 147s on more than 54, I wouldn’t ride 53s....

Try a small riser with your indy ti first.
Why 56?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Shagohod on August 02, 2020, 03:51:40 PM
Quote from: Ok on August 02, 2020, 03:12:37 PM
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anybody ride standard thunder 147's, or any size with the same height, with 56+mm wheels?

the madness is real right now. debating going from indy ti 139 to standard 139 for ridiculous reasons.
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I can’t imagine 147s on more than 54, I wouldn’t ride 53s....

Try a small riser with your indy ti first.
Why 56?

i was thinking the same thing. gonna hunt down some 54mm clouds then. but 56 because I have two sets of clouds, both 56mm. one set 86a chrome, other 78a. got them to make these crusty streets a little better while my old ass back gets unfucked lol. and i have a box with a variety of 8" axle trucks I've accumulated. so been messing around with deck wheelbase, truck/wheel combos and trying to find that sweet spot for what i do. and what i do is trash hah
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on August 02, 2020, 04:06:11 PM
Because of the "what was your setup on your best day" I feel like trying some 5.6 on a 8.5 board. Years ago I skated the best in years on a 8?5 with 8" theeve
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on August 02, 2020, 04:17:52 PM
Quote from: Shagohod on August 02, 2020, 03:51:40 PM
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anybody ride standard thunder 147's, or any size with the same height, with 56+mm wheels?

the madness is real right now. debating going from indy ti 139 to standard 139 for ridiculous reasons.
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I can’t imagine 147s on more than 54, I wouldn’t ride 53s....

Try a small riser with your indy ti first.
Why 56?
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i was thinking the same thing. gonna hunt down some 54mm clouds then. but 56 because I have two sets of clouds, both 56mm. one set 86a chrome, other 78a. got them to make these crusty streets a little better while my old ass back gets unfucked lol. and i have a box with a variety of 8" axle trucks I've accumulated. so been messing around with deck wheelbase, truck/wheel combos and trying to find that sweet spot for what i do. and what i do is trash hah

8” trucks are great.
I’d just stick with what you have. Use risers. Especially for a cruiser ish type getting back into it. I mean buy more shit from a cool shop, for sure, but.....nah. Spend some money on a massage or yoga lessons or some shit for your back. Back pain is fucked. No position is safe and comfortable (as you know). Cruising wheels will wear down. I’ve got 56 keyframes (so basically the same) and on my Regular 159s I get horrific wheel bite. Ace trucks don’t wheelbite as much for me. Thunders are awesome to skate, but I get wheelbite too much for me to want to use them as a cruiser with big wheels.
I’m rambling per usual. I’d just make do, particularly when injured.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on August 03, 2020, 02:02:08 PM
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Bump!!

I also wanna know. Busy breaking in some 148 teams. Great truck but cant get it loose enough to my liking. Dont get me wrong i like it a lot but if i HAVE to change the bushings will bones meds make them more turney? Heard all kinds of shit with bones changing geo etc what your take?

My madness is telling me just leave them stock, great truck either way.

However if they go much stiffer i might maybe just have to.
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Quote from: KushBush on July 22, 2020, 10:40:27 AM
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In my thunder 149 teams I just swapped the top washer on both of them for a bones flat washer. I really like the turn of ace, and have found this little thing to make my thunders super surfy.
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MalHuis, try a flat washer ^ or no top washer at all. flat washers work great on Thunders and Ventures.
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There we go, here is the insight i was looking for. Thanks gentleman! Will do the top washer and see the difference it makes and report back. Either this or will go full person and go bones :)

So the madness starts with the Thunders!!
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I’d also like to add that I only weigh 120lbs, and had trouble with thunders feeling too tight (especially coming from ace). But with trading the stock top for a flat top washer it made a noticeable difference.

Little bit.

Just flip your kingpin nut upside down. The nylock will be on the inside giving you extra threads but if it doesn't get a bite into the metal it may fall off.
Make sure you thread it right into the metal then grind down the edge
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Slayer666 on August 03, 2020, 02:59:12 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on August 01, 2020, 10:18:35 AM
http://youtu.be/OofpsC6MoSs

Seems like both Krux and Indy inverted kingpins are the same.
wtf is up with how those wheels sound
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on August 03, 2020, 09:28:03 PM
Got my new ti indy’s in my car, got crazy hot all day so I’m sure the bushings got soft. That gonna help break them in?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 04, 2020, 07:47:09 PM
Quote from: Slayer666 on August 03, 2020, 02:59:12 PM
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http://youtu.be/OofpsC6MoSs

Seems like both Krux and Indy inverted kingpins are the same.
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wtf is up with how those wheels sound

What do you mean?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 05, 2020, 12:49:47 AM
Quote from: troy on August 02, 2020, 03:07:50 PM
Needle nose pliers work well to remove a pivot cup. Does anyone know what the dimensions are for venture low bushings? Like how tall each bushing is?

They're the same as all venture bushings, the lows aren't any different. I know the bottoms are 12.7mm, can't remember the tops off-hand and I don't have a set close by to check but I want to say 9.2mm or thereabouts.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on August 05, 2020, 05:14:35 AM
Quote from: Slayer666 on August 03, 2020, 02:59:12 PM
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http://youtu.be/OofpsC6MoSs

Seems like both Krux and Indy inverted kingpins are the same.
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wtf is up with how those wheels sound

It's just a shitty mic.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 05, 2020, 05:24:50 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on August 05, 2020, 12:49:47 AM
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Needle nose pliers work well to remove a pivot cup. Does anyone know what the dimensions are for venture low bushings? Like how tall each bushing is?
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They're the same as all venture bushings, the lows aren't any different. I know the bottoms are 12.7mm, can't remember the tops off-hand and I don't have a set close by to check but I want to say 9.2mm or thereabouts.

I hear this BUT I've always thought they looked lower and when I was swapping out a set of lows recently I saw the bottom barrel is slightly shorter and had to sand a set of supercush to make them the same height. I'll measure and take pics when I get home from work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 05, 2020, 06:40:31 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on August 05, 2020, 05:24:50 AM
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Needle nose pliers work well to remove a pivot cup. Does anyone know what the dimensions are for venture low bushings? Like how tall each bushing is?
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They're the same as all venture bushings, the lows aren't any different. I know the bottoms are 12.7mm, can't remember the tops off-hand and I don't have a set close by to check but I want to say 9.2mm or thereabouts.
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I hear this BUT I've always thought they looked lower and when I was swapping out a set of lows recently I saw the bottom barrel is slightly shorter and had to sand a set of supercush to make them the same height. I'll measure and take pics when I get home from work.

I emailed them about it a while back and they said they're all the same size and duro. Also on another forum someone said they've seen the assembly room and they pull them all from the same bins regardless of the truck, the only thing that changes is the color. I wouldn't doubt that you may have had some aftermarket ones that were weird, but as far as the straight stock ones go there shouldnt be any difference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 05, 2020, 07:32:24 AM
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Quote from: troy on August 02, 2020, 03:07:50 PM
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Needle nose pliers work well to remove a pivot cup. Does anyone know what the dimensions are for venture low bushings? Like how tall each bushing is?
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They're the same as all venture bushings, the lows aren't any different. I know the bottoms are 12.7mm, can't remember the tops off-hand and I don't have a set close by to check but I want to say 9.2mm or thereabouts.
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I hear this BUT I've always thought they looked lower and when I was swapping out a set of lows recently I saw the bottom barrel is slightly shorter and had to sand a set of supercush to make them the same height. I'll measure and take pics when I get home from work.
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I emailed them about it a while back and they said they're all the same size and duro. Also on another forum someone said they've seen the assembly room and they pull them all from the same bins regardless of the truck, the only thing that changes is the color. I wouldn't doubt that you may have had some aftermarket ones that were weird, but as far as the straight stock ones go there shouldnt be any difference.

I know, I've heard the same things but I'm not talking about aftermarket. I swear, stocks from highs and lows side by side, the barrels for the lows are like 1-2mm shorter. The only after markets I've used in lows (supercush) needed to be shaved down.

Pics as soon as I get home, and if I'm wrong I'll fully admit in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 05, 2020, 07:39:27 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on August 05, 2020, 07:32:24 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on August 05, 2020, 06:40:31 AM
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Quote from: troy on August 02, 2020, 03:07:50 PM
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Needle nose pliers work well to remove a pivot cup. Does anyone know what the dimensions are for venture low bushings? Like how tall each bushing is?
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They're the same as all venture bushings, the lows aren't any different. I know the bottoms are 12.7mm, can't remember the tops off-hand and I don't have a set close by to check but I want to say 9.2mm or thereabouts.
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I hear this BUT I've always thought they looked lower and when I was swapping out a set of lows recently I saw the bottom barrel is slightly shorter and had to sand a set of supercush to make them the same height. I'll measure and take pics when I get home from work.
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I emailed them about it a while back and they said they're all the same size and duro. Also on another forum someone said they've seen the assembly room and they pull them all from the same bins regardless of the truck, the only thing that changes is the color. I wouldn't doubt that you may have had some aftermarket ones that were weird, but as far as the straight stock ones go there shouldnt be any difference.
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I know, I've heard the same things but I'm not talking about aftermarket. I swear, stocks from highs and lows side by side, the barrels for the lows are like 1-2mm shorter. The only after markets I've used in lows (supercush) needed to be shaved down.

Pics as soon as I get home, and if I'm wrong I'll fully admit in.

It may have changed since the move to China, but stock indy bottoms were a 1/2mm taller than after market barrels (with aftermarket conical being stock height). Tops were the same. Essentially the aftermarket 'standards' were damn close to low bottoms.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Slayer666 on August 05, 2020, 09:00:58 AM
Quote from: Deekay on August 05, 2020, 05:14:35 AM
Quote from: Slayer666 on August 03, 2020, 02:59:12 PM
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http://youtu.be/OofpsC6MoSs

Seems like both Krux and Indy inverted kingpins are the same.
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wtf is up with how those wheels sound
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It's just a shitty mic.
right then buy a set of rictas and let me know how much you love the way they sound and slide
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 05, 2020, 04:49:12 PM
Quote from: Xen on August 05, 2020, 07:39:27 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on August 05, 2020, 07:32:24 AM
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Quote from: troy on August 02, 2020, 03:07:50 PM
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Needle nose pliers work well to remove a pivot cup. Does anyone know what the dimensions are for venture low bushings? Like how tall each bushing is?
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They're the same as all venture bushings, the lows aren't any different. I know the bottoms are 12.7mm, can't remember the tops off-hand and I don't have a set close by to check but I want to say 9.2mm or thereabouts.
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I hear this BUT I've always thought they looked lower and when I was swapping out a set of lows recently I saw the bottom barrel is slightly shorter and had to sand a set of supercush to make them the same height. I'll measure and take pics when I get home from work.
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I emailed them about it a while back and they said they're all the same size and duro. Also on another forum someone said they've seen the assembly room and they pull them all from the same bins regardless of the truck, the only thing that changes is the color. I wouldn't doubt that you may have had some aftermarket ones that were weird, but as far as the straight stock ones go there shouldnt be any difference.
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I know, I've heard the same things but I'm not talking about aftermarket. I swear, stocks from highs and lows side by side, the barrels for the lows are like 1-2mm shorter. The only after markets I've used in lows (supercush) needed to be shaved down.

Pics as soon as I get home, and if I'm wrong I'll fully admit in.
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It may have changed since the move to China, but stock indy bottoms were a 1/2mm taller than after market barrels (with aftermarket conical being stock height). Tops were the same. Essentially the aftermarket 'standards' were damn close to low bottoms.

Ok, buttfart was right and I was wrong. At one point I considered saying I would eat a bushing if I was wrong, but thankfully I didn't.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on August 05, 2020, 06:36:39 PM
Quote from: Slayer666 on August 05, 2020, 09:00:58 AM
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http://youtu.be/OofpsC6MoSs

Seems like both Krux and Indy inverted kingpins are the same.
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wtf is up with how those wheels sound
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It's just a shitty mic.
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right then buy a set of rictas and let me know how much you love the way they sound and slide
If I recall, I had one set of Brian Anderson rictas a long time ago and they were the hardest wheels I’ve ever owned. I haven’t had a set of rictas since, except tomorrow when a set of clouds for my cruiser comes but that don’t count
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Slayer666 on August 05, 2020, 07:41:12 PM
Motherfucker i want my money back
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 05, 2020, 09:54:58 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on August 05, 2020, 04:49:12 PM
Ok, buttfart was right and I was wrong. At one point I considered saying I would eat a bushing if I was wrong, but thankfully I didn't.

Haha I guess being mentally ill enough to tape a pair of calipers to my bushings finally came in handy. I did actually have a pair of them that broke in super weird and I have to crank them down like almost 2 threads past where I normally ride ventures so I was convinced they were different which is what lead to me emailing DLX about it. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 06, 2020, 10:17:12 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on August 05, 2020, 06:36:39 PM
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http://youtu.be/OofpsC6MoSs

Seems like both Krux and Indy inverted kingpins are the same.
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wtf is up with how those wheels sound
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It's just a shitty mic.
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right then buy a set of rictas and let me know how much you love the way they sound and slide
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If I recall, I had one set of Brian Anderson rictas a long time ago and they were the hardest wheels I’ve ever owned. I haven’t had a set of rictas since, except tomorrow when a set of clouds for my cruiser comes but that don’t count

The older chrome cores were easily the hardest wheels I've ridden (I loved them in smooth park); the urethane change to 'NRG' formula made them less chalky and not nearly as hard as the chrome cores; the Rapidos aren't that hard either.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on August 10, 2020, 06:17:15 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/wB3T1MH/FB-IMG-1597064986136.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wB3T1MH)

Bob Genghis Khan is down with the gullwing army
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kevve on August 10, 2020, 06:46:12 AM
What size trucks is preffered for 8.5 decks?

Cant decide between Indy 144 or 149s. I'm setting them up with conicals or conical fulls depending on whats available.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on August 10, 2020, 06:57:24 AM
Quote from: Kevve on August 10, 2020, 06:46:12 AM
What size trucks is preffered for 8.5 decks?

Cant decide between Indy 144 or 149s. I'm setting them up with conicals or conical fulls depending on whats available.

144 is an 8.25 axle
149 is 8.5

I would go 149 personally but both should work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on August 10, 2020, 07:15:19 AM
Quote from: Kevve on August 10, 2020, 06:46:12 AM
What size trucks is preffered for 8.5 decks?

Cant decide between Indy 144 or 149s. I'm setting them up with conicals or conical fulls depending on whats available.

149
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on August 10, 2020, 07:20:32 AM
Quote from: Fat Tire on August 10, 2020, 07:15:19 AM
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What size trucks is preffered for 8.5 decks?

Cant decide between Indy 144 or 149s. I'm setting them up with conicals or conical fulls depending on whats available.
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149

This I prefer indy149, or venture 5.8 on anything bigger than 8.25.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solid bowlcut on August 10, 2020, 07:26:53 AM
I would go 144, it would make flip tricks better for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GBLange on August 10, 2020, 07:34:44 AM
Quote from: Kevve on August 10, 2020, 06:46:12 AM
What size trucks is preffered for 8.5 decks?

Cant decide between Indy 144 or 149s. I'm setting them up with conicals or conical fulls depending on whats available.

Ace 44
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on August 10, 2020, 07:42:13 AM
Quote from: Kevve on August 10, 2020, 06:46:12 AM
What size trucks is preffered for 8.5 decks?

Cant decide between Indy 144 or 149s. I'm setting them up with conicals or conical fulls depending on whats available.

Are you for sure planning on staying that size. Because either truck will work really well if you like Indy's.
I would buy the 144 because the 139 stage 11 is one of my favorite trucks. The 149 I had was no where as good as the 159 truck.

I would buy a 159 over a 149 always.

If you could potentially go above 8.5 and a 159 isn't an option
149 hollows

I tried hollow 149s right before I bought these hollow ventures.
My friend Drew has been riding them for a while and they were nice but they felt lower I think they might have been stage X.

If you're potentially going back down in size or I would go 144.

I always tell people to get genuine independent replacement parts conical bushings.

Even tight trucks turn with the conical bushings and they last way longer than the stock ones.

It's almost as if they're two different materials.

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What size trucks is preffered for 8.5 decks?

Cant decide between Indy 144 or 149s. I'm setting them up with conicals or conical fulls depending on whats available.
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Ace 44

I second this. With conical wheels it's the perfect combination with any 8.5
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I take care of my curbs. on August 10, 2020, 07:55:48 AM
Nobody asked me but, I run Ace baseplates with Venture 5.8 hangers.  It’s an awful setup and I love it. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 10, 2020, 08:16:21 AM
How good is the turn? lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kevve on August 10, 2020, 08:43:22 AM
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What size trucks is preffered for 8.5 decks?

Cant decide between Indy 144 or 149s. I'm setting them up with conicals or conical fulls depending on whats available.
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Are you for sure planning on staying that size. Because either truck will work really well if you like Indy's.
I would buy the 144 because the 139 stage 11 is one of my favorite trucks. The 149 I had was no where as good as the 159 truck.

I would buy a 159 over a 149 always.

If you could potentially go above 8.5 and a 159 isn't an option
149 hollows

I tried hollow 149s right before I bought these hollow ventures.
My friend Drew has been riding them for a while and they were nice but they felt lower I think they might have been stage X.

If you're potentially going back down in size or I would go 144.

I always tell people to get genuine independent replacement parts conical bushings.

Even tight trucks turn with the conical bushings and they last way longer than the stock ones.

It's almost as if they're two different materials.

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What size trucks is preffered for 8.5 decks?

Cant decide between Indy 144 or 149s. I'm setting them up with conicals or conical fulls depending on whats available.
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Ace 44
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I second this. With conical wheels it's the perfect combination with any 8.5

I run 169 on my 8.5 with I use for cruising mostly and getting tired of hitting the axle.

Got 144s in my reg 8.25 setup.
Figured ill just put some extra washers on them and see how they feel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I take care of my curbs. on August 10, 2020, 08:44:17 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on August 10, 2020, 08:16:21 AM
How good is the turn? lol

Kind of great, I think.  I do trim my bushings down a whole lot so you really can’t feel the bushing hit the hanger until you’ve almost hit wheelbite.  But, for me it’s great, I wouldn’t recommend it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CaderSk8r on August 15, 2020, 12:01:35 PM
Has anyone tried krux dl kingpins in ventures? I was going to get a set for some ace 44s but thought might as well get 2 sets. Just curious to see if they fit ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 15, 2020, 02:44:24 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7Da16l9.jpg?1)

My friend purchased a yard sale board for $15 with these trucks. Needless to say he does not skate and so I talked him out of them. Indy stage 2 131s. 8" axle, Hanger is about 133mm. With Original Snap bushing. Barely used... I don't collect vintage skate shit but holy shit, I'm pretty stoked on these.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 15, 2020, 03:22:37 PM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on August 15, 2020, 02:44:24 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7Da16l9.jpg?1)

My friend purchased a yard sale board for $15 with these trucks. Needless to say he does not skate and so I talked him out of them. Indy stage 2 131s. 8" axle, Hanger is about 133mm. With Original Snap bushing. Barely used... I don't collect vintage skate shit but holy shit, I'm pretty stoked on these.

Damn, yo. Will you skate them?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 15, 2020, 03:36:47 PM
Great question. I feel like they should be skated. Might set up an early 80s inspired rig but I want to experience the geometry for sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: peptobismol on August 15, 2020, 03:41:06 PM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on August 15, 2020, 03:36:47 PM
Great question. I feel like they should be skated. Might set up an early 80s inspired rig but I want to experience the geometry for sure.

RIDE EM, DONT HIDE EM! for fucks sake!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 16, 2020, 07:37:46 AM
On something like a zip zinger would be super fun....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on August 17, 2020, 09:12:06 PM
Anyone know if krux bushings have the same dimensions as independent?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on August 19, 2020, 10:25:55 PM
doh dohs suck horse dick. cracked in two sessions and i ride rattly loose. what are the most durable bushings? cant stand knowing im riding mangled ones if i just bought em
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on August 20, 2020, 06:39:22 AM
Quote from: off on August 19, 2020, 10:25:55 PM
doh dohs suck horse dick. cracked in two sessions and i ride rattly loose. what are the most durable bushings? cant stand knowing im riding mangled ones if i just bought em
What kind of trucks you ride?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on August 20, 2020, 06:45:56 AM
Quote from: Fat Tire on August 17, 2020, 09:12:06 PM
Anyone know if krux bushings have the same dimensions as independent?

They are the same as the Indy aftermarket ones at least. Krux bushings are pretty overrated, quality is fine, but they are hard as hell and stay that way. Check out the Ace low bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on August 20, 2020, 07:24:29 AM
I’m sure someone here has done this before but my pivot cups were starting to look and feel a little decrepit so I dabbed some rubber cement at the bottom and a bit around the rest of the cups and allowed that to dry. Skated once since then and they really do feel revived, hopefully it holds up and extends their life a little bit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on August 20, 2020, 11:33:09 AM
Do I have this right?

Bottom bushing controls the feeling at the top of the turn. The top bushing determines how far that turn goes. So if I want a lose top with a stiffer arc near the bottom I would use a soft bottom hard top?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on August 20, 2020, 12:51:33 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on August 20, 2020, 11:33:09 AM
Do I have this right?

Bottom bushing controls the feeling at the top of the turn. The top bushing determines how far that turn goes. So if I want a lose top with a stiffer arc near the bottom I would use a soft bottom hard top?

Yes, kinda like stock ACEs have.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on August 20, 2020, 02:45:34 PM
Quote from: off on August 19, 2020, 10:25:55 PM
doh dohs suck horse dick. cracked in two sessions and i ride rattly loose. what are the most durable bushings? cant stand knowing im riding mangled ones if i just bought em

im just seconding that doh dohs are wack
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: WHYAMIDOINGTHIS on August 20, 2020, 03:12:08 PM
So i like to ride my trucks without the top washer and with the nut flush with the kingpin but for some reason with aces when i hand tighten them they make the kingpin stickout so basically i have to tighten them a lot more than i want to or the nuts will fall  off, and it trips me out, how can i fix this?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on August 20, 2020, 03:23:29 PM
Quote from: Firebert on August 20, 2020, 12:51:33 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on August 20, 2020, 11:33:09 AM
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Do I have this right?

Bottom bushing controls the feeling at the top of the turn. The top bushing determines how far that turn goes. So if I want a lose top with a stiffer arc near the bottom I would use a soft bottom hard top?
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Yes, kinda like stock ACEs have.

I may be reading this wrong, but isn’t that opposite of Ace? I feel like Aces are stable with a deep arc once that arc is activated, not tippy with a stiff arc.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on August 20, 2020, 05:43:21 PM
Quote from: WHYAMIDOINGTHIS on August 20, 2020, 03:12:08 PM
So i like to ride my trucks without the top washer and with the nut flush with the kingpin but for some reason with aces when i hand tighten them they make the kingpin stickout so basically i have to tighten them a lot more than i want to or the nuts will fall  off, and it trips me out, how can i fix this?

What?

Put a normal height top on. I suggest a bones med.

Gives you mad threads no one will want to ride your death trap
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on August 20, 2020, 05:46:09 PM
Quote from: HumBoogie on August 20, 2020, 06:39:22 AM
Quote from: off on August 19, 2020, 10:25:55 PM
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doh dohs suck horse dick. cracked in two sessions and i ride rattly loose. what are the most durable bushings? cant stand knowing im riding mangled ones if i just bought em
[close]
What kind of trucks you ride?
thunder 151s but venture 5.8 ti soon
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on August 20, 2020, 06:49:57 PM
Quote from: off on August 20, 2020, 05:46:09 PM
Quote from: HumBoogie on August 20, 2020, 06:39:22 AM
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Quote from: off on August 19, 2020, 10:25:55 PM
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doh dohs suck horse dick. cracked in two sessions and i ride rattly loose. what are the most durable bushings? cant stand knowing im riding mangled ones if i just bought em
[close]
What kind of trucks you ride?
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thunder 151s but venture 5.8 ti soon
I use bones mediums with the flat top washer and no bottom washer in my 5.8. They're perfect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shmazz on August 20, 2020, 09:03:38 PM
Venture V-Lights 5.6 on an 8.25
Indy 90d conical bushings (bought them as a replacement after one of the stock bushings began to crack)
Both trucks flush

I love how the Indy bushings feel on these trucks. I believe the bottom bushing is a bit taller than Venture stocks, however I don't really feel like it messed up with the geometry of the trucks (maybe it would have if we were talking about barrel shaped bushings instead of conical ones). Kinda makes me wish Venture stock bushings were a bit softer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on August 21, 2020, 05:24:49 AM
Quote from: YungJugg on August 20, 2020, 03:23:29 PM
Quote from: Firebert on August 20, 2020, 12:51:33 PM
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Quote from: ballintoohard on August 20, 2020, 11:33:09 AM
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Do I have this right?

Bottom bushing controls the feeling at the top of the turn. The top bushing determines how far that turn goes. So if I want a lose top with a stiffer arc near the bottom I would use a soft bottom hard top?
[close]

Yes, kinda like stock ACEs have.
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I may be reading this wrong, but isn’t that opposite of Ace? I feel like Aces are stable with a deep arc once that arc is activated, not tippy with a stiff arc.

This is interesting, I was experimenting recently and used a stiff roadside and softer boardside bushing and ended up getting a nice turn that doesn't wheelbite or wobble too easily. Ace are that same way. Roadside is stiffer than boardside and I believe that is part of why they're so stable while turning well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on August 21, 2020, 06:55:48 AM
Quote from: YungJugg on August 20, 2020, 03:23:29 PM
I may be reading this wrong.
Classic Bushing Set

Top 12mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 14mm tall | 86a hardness
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on August 21, 2020, 04:56:37 PM
how well do ace hangars fit on indy plates? Want to ride my 66 hangars with the wb of indys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on August 21, 2020, 05:31:48 PM
Quote from: Firebert on August 21, 2020, 06:55:48 AM
Quote from: YungJugg on August 20, 2020, 03:23:29 PM
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I may be reading this wrong.
[close]
Classic Bushing Set

Top 12mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 14mm tall | 86a hardness



I like my Ace's like this. I can't deal with the stock ones at all. I have no idea why. I don't believe they are dual duro. It's just funny shaped.

Any Indy and deluxe stock tops work too.
I just gotta have close to matching colors or I get weirded out looking at it. I'll find a set of white stock venture and boom roll for 5 years.

Bones rip.

When all these extra ones are gone I'm over these kcups for trucks.
Man you're grandkids are going to hate us. Needles crack pipes Juuls kcups and Bones bushings going to be knee in california.

Wheels upon wheels upon wheels. We suck. I'm wicked stoned now too.

So

The bottom bushing I've found irreplaceable. There's nothing ever as nice as this ride height and material combo.
Indy wishes it could still turn like this. Takes mad work to make an Indy nice. This guy Circle Pat has the best Indy's I've ever tried. They kinda lift you up in the middle tho. Like a seesaw. Ace turns like this but there's no abrupt dip.

I should have found out what they did to their indys to make them so nice

(https://i.ibb.co/2F0cmpV/15980428284529034263022297381886.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2F0cmpV)

I like extra threads. I got Lower nuts. 
Indy could use a few more. I have high hopes for inverted kingpins in trucks but low expectations.

If the entire industry starts using them they got to get rattling loose or what's the point?

I'm so high
(https://i.ibb.co/QrBPW8K/15980562748496322206485508012298.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QrBPW8K)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on August 23, 2020, 10:01:53 PM
Quote from: texasplant on August 21, 2020, 04:56:37 PM
how well do ace hangars fit on indy plates? Want to ride my 66 hangars with the wb of indys.
i dont think it works like that. i ran venture hangers on thunder forged plates and it shrunk my wb to around +2.8
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on August 24, 2020, 03:20:40 PM
Indy hangers will fit on Ace baseplates but not the other way around.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on August 25, 2020, 12:10:59 AM
I recently switched to Aces but damn they're heavier than I'm used to. Has anyone tried tossing Ace hangers onto Tensor baseplates to make them lighter? Would that mess with the geometry of the trucks too much?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on August 25, 2020, 04:28:36 AM
Quote from: FatGuy92 on August 25, 2020, 12:10:59 AM
I recently switched to Aces but damn they're heavier than I'm used to. Has anyone tried tossing Ace hangers onto Tensor baseplates to make them lighter? Would that mess with the geometry of the trucks too much?

It probably would but you can always try. Just give it a few sessions to adjust to the weight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on August 25, 2020, 11:07:59 AM
So trucks and kicks:

-If a board is ghost popping (as always happens to me with FA/really steep nose and tail decks) with Indys would Thunder or Venture mellow it out?

-Likewise if a board feels a bit too light in the pop, would I want to move down in wheelbase via trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on August 25, 2020, 11:22:17 AM
what is ghost popping?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on August 25, 2020, 11:27:17 AM
It's where you go for a trick and the board doesn't pop; you thought you popped, but your board is back there and you are now over here.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on August 25, 2020, 11:29:25 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on August 25, 2020, 11:07:59 AM
So trucks and kicks:

-If a board is ghost popping (as always happens to me with FA/really steep nose and tail decks) with Indys would Thunder or Venture mellow it out?

-Likewise if a board feels a bit too light in the pop, would I want to move down in wheelbase via trucks?

Smaller WB, or mellower tail, would lessen the ghost pop. Longer WB will make your setup feel heavier.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on August 25, 2020, 12:24:35 PM
I've been ghost popping a lot on a few tricks lately (mostly nollie fs flips) but some how still roll away fine, and its often more rocket if I don't ghost pop. Wheels are real small now too pretty scared to put on new wheels as it might amplify the shit out of my ghost pop.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on August 25, 2020, 02:25:34 PM
Quote from: TwisT on August 25, 2020, 11:22:17 AM
what is ghost popping?

Whiffing is what we called it around here. I whiff Fakie nollie tre a ton but it's with every truck except my old thunder lows and smaller wheels.

That type of set up is almost impossible to ride here. The ground is insanely rough.

I'm always going to vote venture/thunder then Ace regardless of logic.

Or get GK disruption or whatever. I bet those trucks are wicked sick if available.

Maybe it won't happen much on the hollow trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on August 25, 2020, 03:09:20 PM
I've tried a few FA decks and found it weird. The 8.5 AVE shape I had felt great on Indy 149s for the most part, especially nollies. 14.25 WB. Then I got an 8.25 with the 14.19 and it felt off overall. I know it was slightly shorter, but it just felt so damn heavy to pop. I briefly tried with Thunder 149 teams, then gave up on the deck.

I also had a Polar 8.5 that was ok with Indy 149's, but awesome with Ace 44.

Lastly a go-to setup has been Quasi 8.25 or 8.38 with 14.25 and Thunder 148 ti lights. Tried it with Venture 5.8 Hollows briefly, but had an axle issue.

Never quite figured out what made the good truck/deck combos feel good and the bad feel bad.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sonti on August 29, 2020, 10:41:59 PM
whats the smallest deck width yall rode with thunder 151s?
Im looking to size down(both in wheelbase and width). Considering 8.5 but thinking about even smaller since the step down from 8.675 is so minimal. The 14.75 -> 14.25 wheelbase change will probably ne much more noticable.

I never rode a setup with trucks so big compared to the deck so im asking.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on August 29, 2020, 11:18:01 PM
Quote from: sonti on August 29, 2020, 10:41:59 PM
whats the smallest deck width yall rode with thunder 151s?
Im looking to size down(both in wheelbase and width). Considering 8.5 but thinking about even smaller since the step down from 8.675 is so minimal. The 14.75 -> 14.25 wheelbase change will probably ne much more noticable.

I never rode a setup with trucks so big compared to the deck so im asking.
8.25s fairly comfortably, but cant recommend it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 30, 2020, 07:31:55 AM
Quote from: palelight on August 25, 2020, 11:29:25 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on August 25, 2020, 11:07:59 AM
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So trucks and kicks:

-If a board is ghost popping (as always happens to me with FA/really steep nose and tail decks) with Indys would Thunder or Venture mellow it out?

-Likewise if a board feels a bit too light in the pop, would I want to move down in wheelbase via trucks?
[close]

Smaller WB, or mellower tail, would lessen the ghost pop. Longer WB will make your setup feel heavier.

dont forget a lower truck will result in easier pop.....thunders are just plain lower so I find you ghost pop less...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on August 30, 2020, 08:06:38 AM
With the titanium hollow axle thing, why hasn't this made a comeback? The deadbolt low profile screw was the grindking of axle nuts.

(https://i1.wp.com/skateboarding.transworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/pages-032-0331.jpg?w=600&amp;ssl=1)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on August 31, 2020, 02:13:40 PM
Would anyone want hardwood risers? I just realized I have tons of scrap and could easily rip and shape any thickness.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stets on August 31, 2020, 02:44:36 PM
Quote from: layzieyez on August 30, 2020, 08:06:38 AM
With the titanium hollow axle thing, why hasn't this made a comeback? The deadbolt low profile screw was the grindking of axle nuts.

(https://i1.wp.com/skateboarding.transworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/pages-032-0331.jpg?w=600&amp;ssl=1)

Oh wow, forgot about those. Did they screw into a hollow axel?

1991 was a weird time for trucks, Z-Rollers were still a thing and Tracker tried those c-clips on the end of the axel with only one bearing in wheels or something?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Junglist on August 31, 2020, 04:51:55 PM
Quote from: layzieyez on August 30, 2020, 08:06:38 AM
With the titanium hollow axle thing, why hasn't this made a comeback? The deadbolt low profile screw was the grindking of axle nuts.

(https://i1.wp.com/skateboarding.transworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/pages-032-0331.jpg?w=600&amp;ssl=1)
What is this Gouge and why does it look sick as fuck??
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: switchfrontshuv on August 31, 2020, 05:40:07 PM
currently running one of my favourite truck setups for this particular board (8.5 w/ 14.5WB, steep kicks and concave)

- Ace 44's with really worn in top and bottom washers to maximize looseness (used to skate tight trucks as a kid so the top washer has an indent for the kingpin nut)
- reds
- OJ mini combos which shrunk down to 51

having wide but small wheels on a fat steep deck feels extremely responsive, definitely upped my wall tricks and can still pop tres with the long wheelbase cuz of the steepness and the ace trucks shortening wheelbase and making the pop a little bit quicker

otherwise solid for me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on August 31, 2020, 06:05:06 PM
Quote from: switchfrontshuv on August 31, 2020, 05:40:07 PM
currently running one of my favourite truck setups for this particular board (8.5 w/ 14.5WB, steep kicks and concave)

- Ace 44's with really worn in top and bottom washers to maximize looseness (used to skate tight trucks as a kid so the top washer has an indent for the kingpin nut)
- reds
- OJ mini combos which shrunk down to 51

having wide but small wheels on a fat steep deck feels extremely responsive, definitely upped my wall tricks and can still pop tres with the long wheelbase cuz of the steepness and the ace trucks shortening wheelbase and making the pop a little bit quicker

otherwise solid for me

What’s the deck? Always in the market for steep kicks/concave
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: burm on September 01, 2020, 09:18:33 AM
I need help. I recently stepped up to a wider board (8.5) so I took some old 149 Indys (prolly stage10) from my cruiser. I had previously put in black hard bones bushings in these ones and now I can’t turn at all with them (nut flush with kingpin). My old 8” board had Ace 33s with yellow bones which I liked a lot but the bottom bushings split and I can’t find new med bones in the shops so I put black bones on the bottom and they still felt pretty good.

So the question is, to get my turn back should I:
A) Swap in the yellow tops from the Aces
B) Put back the unused stock Indy bushings all around
C) Buy soft blue bones
D) Just buy Ace 44s
E) Something else, like A+B
?
I’m not looking to go stoopid loose, just not to have to tictac, thx
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on September 01, 2020, 02:36:37 PM
venture 5.2 hollow
flat bottom washer from hardware store
flat bones top washer
stock bushings
nut flush

might switch to the ace classic bottom bushings when i get used to the amount of lean before wheelbite, but maybe not. the stock bushings are great

(https://i.ibb.co/5YKqnt6/EF1-CCA54-0031-4-ADF-82-FF-9550370-C9-AC0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DGr38st)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on September 01, 2020, 06:45:16 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on August 31, 2020, 02:13:40 PM
Would anyone want hardwood risers? I just realized I have tons of scrap and could easily rip and shape any thickness.

Maybe, have you tried using them before?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on September 01, 2020, 07:53:23 PM
Does anyone here skate medium Bones bushings in Indys? If so, how are they? I usually skate the aftermarket medium Indy or stock Indy bushings but I'm thinking of trying something different.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 01, 2020, 08:12:53 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on September 01, 2020, 07:53:23 PM
Does anyone here skate medium Bones bushings in Indys? If so, how are they? I usually skate the aftermarket medium Indy or stock Indy bushings but I'm thinking of trying something different.

Bones Meds and Indys have been a classic combo for decade or more?

They're great, people hate on them at times for the plastic inserts cracking (but they do come with a washer to help with that).

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on September 01, 2020, 08:14:35 PM
Quote from: Fat Tire on September 01, 2020, 06:45:16 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on August 31, 2020, 02:13:40 PM
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Would anyone want hardwood risers? I just realized I have tons of scrap and could easily rip and shape any thickness.
[close]

Maybe, have you tried using them before?

Yah but I suck and don't normally use risers so I dunno what I'd be looking for.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jimgrude on September 01, 2020, 10:19:14 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on September 01, 2020, 07:53:23 PM
Does anyone here skate medium Bones bushings in Indys? If so, how are they? I usually skate the aftermarket medium Indy or stock Indy bushings but I'm thinking of trying something different.
Yeah, it's a very common combination, and it's god damn awful. This is less to do with indy's, and more to do with bones bushings are terrible in general.

When I used them in a set of indy's, they would go from completely soft with no feedback, to rock hard with no rebound, all because of slight changes in temperature. They don't keep their shape at all and will squish out and crack open, forcing you to keep tightening your trucks to the point that it fucks up the geometry of your trucks (No, I do not skate tight trucks. Rattly loose).
I seriously can not understand the hype around them, as they literally can't be relied on for anything. Lasted me less than a month in indy's, and were a pain in the ass the entire time.

Even in a set of Theeve's, which come stock with bones medium, they took a surprisingly long time to break in, considering that their main appeal is to require no break-in time. Once they did, they were fine for a couple weeks in the cool spring climate, but once the temperature and humidity started rising, they became completely useless.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 01, 2020, 10:50:55 PM
I always had a hard time cramming them in.  I'd just skate aftermarket indy bushings...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Slayer666 on September 02, 2020, 04:28:40 AM
Bones bushings completely blow out I don’t understand how anyone has a different experience
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 02, 2020, 08:39:43 AM
Quote from: Slayer666 on September 02, 2020, 04:28:40 AM
Bones bushings completely blow out I don’t understand how anyone has a different experience

I honestly think overly tight and rattly loose destroy bones bushings. Tightened just enough so there isn't any play, with the right durometer to net how you want to turn, that's how I've always ridden them, in every truck and never had an issue with them bulging (theeves), falling apart, blowing out, whatever.

That said, indy aftermarkets with those machined sleeved washers are fucking stellar.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: burm on September 02, 2020, 11:19:19 AM
Quote from: burm on September 01, 2020, 09:18:33 AM
I need help. I recently stepped up to a wider board (8.5) so I took some old 149 Indys (prolly stage10) from my cruiser. I had previously put in black hard bones bushings in these ones and now I can’t turn at all with them (nut flush with kingpin). My old 8” board had Ace 33s with yellow bones which I liked a lot but the bottom bushings split and I can’t find new med bones in the shops so I put black bones on the bottom and they still felt pretty good.

So the question is, to get my turn back should I:
A) Swap in the yellow tops from the Aces
B) Put back the unused stock Indy bushings all around
C) Buy soft blue bones
D) Just buy Ace 44s
E) Something else, like A+B
?
I’m not looking to go stoopid loose, just not to have to tictac, thx

I went with A and ate shit from wheelbite so I guess mission accomplished
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on September 02, 2020, 02:52:14 PM
Vintage Indy's fell in my lap. They're tiny. Same axle height as the 5.6 raw

(https://i.ibb.co/HGFV8Wc/IMG-20200902-174526.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HGFV8Wc)

(https://i.ibb.co/8s2VVVj/IMG-20200902-174518.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8s2VVVj)

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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 02, 2020, 08:38:09 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on September 02, 2020, 02:52:14 PM
Vintage Indy's fell in my lap. They're tiny. Same axle height as the 5.6 raw

(https://i.ibb.co/HGFV8Wc/IMG-20200902-174526.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HGFV8Wc)

(https://i.ibb.co/8s2VVVj/IMG-20200902-174518.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8s2VVVj)

upload pic (https://imgbb.com/)

8s? Ha ha funny how that's been happening.  Wide cruiser wheels and extra washers... its nice to experience the 'vintage' turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Junglist on September 03, 2020, 03:10:46 PM
Stage 8 126?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on September 03, 2020, 08:02:51 PM
Quote from: Junglist on September 03, 2020, 03:10:46 PM
Stage 8 126?

Yeah think so. I can't believe I rode thunders in this size
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on September 03, 2020, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on September 01, 2020, 08:14:35 PM
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Would anyone want hardwood risers? I just realized I have tons of scrap and could easily rip and shape any thickness.
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Maybe, have you tried using them before?
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Yah but I suck and don't normally use risers so I dunno what I'd be looking for.

If they'd hold up as good as plastic ones they might be pretty cool.

An issue I've had with risers is that they all seem to fit indys (even the pair of thunder risers I had were indy sized)

Risers sized for ace would be choice
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on September 05, 2020, 01:45:54 PM
Does Brent Atchley ride indys? Are these? Hard to tell on my phone

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEw2S7SF8y9/?igshid=14xiigg54m5zd
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: I take care of my curbs. on September 05, 2020, 05:57:32 PM
Quote from: fang on September 05, 2020, 01:45:54 PM
Does Brent Atchley ride indys? Are these? Hard to tell on my phone

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEw2S7SF8y9/?igshid=14xiigg54m5zd

He does.  Not sure what size or anything but I do know he rides Indy’s. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Junglist on September 05, 2020, 07:13:50 PM
Wow, even in 2020 Brent Achtley is still fucking God.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 06, 2020, 06:50:31 AM
Dude should be on Ace...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: truthislie on September 06, 2020, 09:48:41 AM
So I want to build a new setup and need truck advice. I´ve started out on Krux (at 12 years old) then rode Indy for my whole life and last year got another pair of Krux for nostalgia´s sake (at 36 years old). I know what you all think about Krux, but I got used to them and they feel ok to me. Now I want to try something new - thinking about getting Thunders, Aces or maybe even film trucks. I ride an 8 deck with 52mm wheels and mostly do flatground and ledge skating. Any tips would be appreciated, thank you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cjt on September 06, 2020, 10:08:24 AM
Quote from: truthislie on September 06, 2020, 09:48:41 AM
So I want to build a new setup and need truck advice. I´ve started out on Krux (at 12 years old) then rode Indy for my whole life and last year got another pair of Krux for nostalgia´s sake (at 36 years old). I know what you all think about Krux, but I got used to them and they feel ok to me. Now I want to try something new - thinking about getting Thunders, Aces or maybe even film trucks. I ride an 8 deck with 52mm wheels and mostly do flatground and ledge skating. Any tips would be appreciated, thank you.

I weigh 210, ride sloppy loose, and have a PC stick up my ass about the iron cross.

Having just come from Krux on my main rider to a pair of Thunder 161.... I would recommend against Thunder. I tried so many bushing combos, and almost everything just leans to wheel bite. I can't hard carve a flat wall, I cant dodge a scooter kid, and I have to ride a wheel formula that doesn't wheel bite too bad or wax the shit out of the deck wood.

I can switch back & forth between Indy and Krux just fine, but as soon as I step on Thunder or Venture it feels like I've never ridden a skateboard.

The flange slots in the Krux base plate blew out, and as soon as I fix that with some JB Weld they are going right back onto my main rider.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: truthislie on September 06, 2020, 10:36:08 AM
Quote from: cjt on September 06, 2020, 10:08:24 AM
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So I want to build a new setup and need truck advice. I´ve started out on Krux (at 12 years old) then rode Indy for my whole life and last year got another pair of Krux for nostalgia´s sake (at 36 years old). I know what you all think about Krux, but I got used to them and they feel ok to me. Now I want to try something new - thinking about getting Thunders, Aces or maybe even film trucks. I ride an 8 deck with 52mm wheels and mostly do flatground and ledge skating. Any tips would be appreciated, thank you.
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I weigh 210, ride sloppy loose, and have a PC stick up my ass about the iron cross.

Having just come from Krux on my main rider to a pair of Thunder 161.... I would recommend against Thunder. I tried so many bushing combos, and almost everything just leans to wheel bite. I can't hard carve a flat wall, I cant dodge a scooter kid, and I have to ride a wheel formula that doesn't wheel bite too bad or wax the shit out of the deck wood.

I can switch back & forth between Indy and Krux just fine, but as soon as I step on Thunder or Venture it feels like I've never ridden a skateboard.

The flange slots in the Krux base plate blew out, and as soon as I fix that with some JB Weld they are going right back onto my main rider.

Thank you. I weigh 170 and don´t ride too lose - Most of the time I just leave the bushings as they are when the trucks come new and let them loosen up naturally/sometimes one turn on the screw to loosen up. I´d definitely don´t like wheel bites, like to carve but its not the most important thing since I don´t reallly skate transition.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on September 06, 2020, 11:26:18 AM
I'm 165 and suck and like Thunder a ton. I don't touch them and don't ever wheelbite. I get tons of wheelbite with Indy no matter what I do with them. Ace are better in that regard. If I were you I'd try Thunder then Ace. From what I gather Krux don't turn much, but are stable. Thunder for me are extremely stable, but have a pretty responsive turn arc. Ace definitely feel a bit squirrelier, in a good way, but it could be way more jarring. I'd get 148's given your deck size since they're closer in height to what you're used to.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on September 06, 2020, 11:57:37 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on September 06, 2020, 11:26:18 AM
I'm 165 and suck and like Thunder a ton. I don't touch them and don't ever wheelbite. I get tons of wheelbite with Indy no matter what I do with them. Ace are better in that regard. If I were you I'd try Thunder then Ace. From what I gather Krux don't turn much, but are stable. Thunder for me are extremely stable, but have a pretty responsive turn arc. Ace definitely feel a bit squirrelier, in a good way, but it could be way more jarring. I'd get 148's given your deck size since they're closer in height to what you're used to.

I agree, Thunders turn just as good as indy imo but do suffer a bit due to being lower. I'm the same weight and don't have any issues.

I threw in indy super soft bushings any they turn really nice albeit super loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jimgrude on September 06, 2020, 11:54:41 PM
Quote from: truthislie on September 06, 2020, 09:48:41 AM
So I want to build a new setup and need truck advice. I´ve started out on Krux (at 12 years old) then rode Indy for my whole life and last year got another pair of Krux for nostalgia´s sake (at 36 years old). I know what you all think about Krux, but I got used to them and they feel ok to me. Now I want to try something new - thinking about getting Thunders, Aces or maybe even film trucks. I ride an 8 deck with 52mm wheels and mostly do flatground and ledge skating. Any tips would be appreciated, thank you.
If you're looking for something in the direction of Indy, I'd suggest Ace, but since you're also used to Krux, you might like a more stable truck like Theeve. They're nothing like Krux, but they're really stable on the center like a more tech truck, while still being nice and turny like an Indy. They'd be good with your wheel size too.
Go for Ace if you wanna carve the fucking flatground and look badass when landing sketchy. They're a hoot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stigmata on September 07, 2020, 05:30:32 PM
I picked up a Real 8.06 Full SE today and cant decide on either 147s or 148s...anyone got suggestions, ill gladly listen!  :P
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on September 07, 2020, 06:12:32 PM
Quote from: Stigmata on September 07, 2020, 05:30:32 PM
I picked up a Real 8.06 Full SE today and cant decide on either 147s or 148s...anyone got suggestions, ill gladly listen!  :P
just got 148's and i skirt between 8.06 and 8.125, came off of 147s, both team baseplates. honestly the 148's height and grind clearance is what sold me. feels like a bit more stable too. never run bigger trucks on a board but i like the feel. 147's were fun but wheel bite is what put me off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stigmata on September 07, 2020, 06:45:08 PM
Quote from: pointandclick on September 07, 2020, 06:12:32 PM
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I picked up a Real 8.06 Full SE today and cant decide on either 147s or 148s...anyone got suggestions, ill gladly listen!  :P
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just got 148's and i skirt between 8.06 and 8.125, came off of 147s, both team baseplates. honestly the 148's height and grind clearance is what sold me. feels like a bit more stable too. never run bigger trucks on a board but i like the feel. 147's were fun but wheel bite is what put me off.

Ya im kinda leaning to the 148s for the same reason. 147s are def super low and i get so much wheel bite
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on September 07, 2020, 06:49:47 PM
Quote from: Stigmata on September 07, 2020, 06:45:08 PM
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I picked up a Real 8.06 Full SE today and cant decide on either 147s or 148s...anyone got suggestions, ill gladly listen!  :P
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just got 148's and i skirt between 8.06 and 8.125, came off of 147s, both team baseplates. honestly the 148's height and grind clearance is what sold me. feels like a bit more stable too. never run bigger trucks on a board but i like the feel. 147's were fun but wheel bite is what put me off.
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Ya im kinda leaning to the 148s for the same reason. 147s are def super low and i get so much wheel bite
after almost all summer on 147's im happy i switched to 148's. im not super heavy and i run 54's sick of wheel bite.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: The.Tran.Man on September 07, 2020, 08:18:58 PM
I've been going thru truck madness since Winter 2019 haha. Started with 5.8 ventures and ran that for a while on 8.25's. Got some Ace 44's early summer and been enjoying those a lot more than the Ventures. They just seem more versatile in terms of what board shapes you can ride on compared to Venture (kicks, concave, WB, etc.)

Now I want to downsize in board size so I bought some Thunder 147's (thanks to recent Brad Cromer clips). According to the Thunder website: 143, 145, 147 & 148 are all the same height at 50 mm.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on September 07, 2020, 11:32:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/A23U1Hn.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on September 08, 2020, 12:10:17 AM
huh, are Thunder's 50mm tall with team baseplate?
I thought they was around 52? Mkey
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chappers on September 08, 2020, 01:26:50 AM
yeh for years theyve been saying 52mm high with the cast plate. why tf they alter it now?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 08, 2020, 10:36:40 AM
Are Thunder the only truck company that higher their trucks slightly as the width goes up? This is very sensible.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on September 08, 2020, 10:42:34 AM
Quote from: anon on September 07, 2020, 11:32:07 PM

Kind of a weird move, 148/149 should have stayed at 52mm. I can't do trucks that low :(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on September 08, 2020, 11:28:51 AM
Quote from: anon on September 07, 2020, 11:32:07 PM
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hmm i checked my 148's and 147's and there is a noticeable height difference. dont have them with me otherwise i would measure. even if im wrong, the kingpin clearance on 148's is way better than 147's so im happy to switch.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 08, 2020, 11:39:59 AM
Quote from: chappers on September 08, 2020, 01:26:50 AM
yeh for years theyve been saying 52mm high with the cast plate. why tf they alter it now?

Didn't this just come up recently too? Where DLX confirmed the heights of 147s vs the rest?

Def and odd move...have these always been the heights all along and they are just now listing accurate measurements?

Everyone been skating 49mm trucks :P

Based on the chart, it's the hanger that causes the height increase and not different B-plates (I'm guessing pivot length to retain geo).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on September 08, 2020, 12:34:39 PM
Just measured some 148 and 149 both at 52
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on September 08, 2020, 12:46:58 PM
how badly do risers affect pop?
i'm switching away from ace because of the pop issue to thunders, but will need risers to prevent wheelbite
will this change be in vain?
already ordered the equipment, god dammit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 08, 2020, 12:55:11 PM
Quote from: anon on September 08, 2020, 12:46:58 PM
how badly do risers affect pop?
i'm switching away from ace because of the pop issue to thunders, but will need risers to prevent wheelbite
will this change be in vain?
already ordered the equipment, god dammit

Proof will be in your ollies.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on September 08, 2020, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: Xen on September 08, 2020, 12:55:11 PM
Proof will be in your ollies.
actually, i'm talking about the sound/feel, not the height/timing
i like to make my boards last and it sucks if they feel dead before they really are
is the pop dampened noticeably with risers? also, i'm going with forged baseplates, so maybe that'll even things out?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on September 08, 2020, 01:33:48 PM
Quote from: anon on September 08, 2020, 01:01:56 PM
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Proof will be in your ollies.
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actually, i'm talking about the sound/feel, not the height/timing
i like to make my boards last and it sucks if they feel dead before they really are
is the pop dampened noticeably with risers? also, i'm going with forged baseplates, so maybe that'll even things out?

It depends on the material of the riser. The polycarbonate risers GardenSkater77 hooked me up with deaden the pop much less than previous materials I’ve used.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 09, 2020, 10:14:11 AM
Quote from: anon on September 08, 2020, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: Xen on September 08, 2020, 12:55:11 PM
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Proof will be in your ollies.
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actually, i'm talking about the sound/feel, not the height/timing
i like to make my boards last and it sucks if they feel dead before they really are
is the pop dampened noticeably with risers? also, i'm going with forged baseplates, so maybe that'll even things out?

I've always loosened my wheels to give a bit more rattle if the board is too dead (it's why I hate skating 99s).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on September 09, 2020, 11:10:45 AM
Quote from: Xen on September 09, 2020, 10:14:11 AM
Quote from: anon on September 08, 2020, 01:01:56 PM
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Quote from: Xen on September 08, 2020, 12:55:11 PM
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Proof will be in your ollies.
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actually, i'm talking about the sound/feel, not the height/timing
i like to make my boards last and it sucks if they feel dead before they really are
is the pop dampened noticeably with risers? also, i'm going with forged baseplates, so maybe that'll even things out?
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I've always loosened my wheels to give a bit more rattle if the board is too dead (it's why I hate skating 99s).
i only skate 99s... and use bearing spacers... and have them snug ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on September 09, 2020, 07:43:25 PM
Quote from: anon on September 09, 2020, 11:10:45 AM
Quote from: Xen on September 09, 2020, 10:14:11 AM
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Quote from: anon on September 08, 2020, 01:01:56 PM
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Quote from: Xen on September 08, 2020, 12:55:11 PM
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Proof will be in your ollies.
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actually, i'm talking about the sound/feel, not the height/timing
i like to make my boards last and it sucks if they feel dead before they really are
is the pop dampened noticeably with risers? also, i'm going with forged baseplates, so maybe that'll even things out?
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I've always loosened my wheels to give a bit more rattle if the board is too dead (it's why I hate skating 99s).
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i only skate 99s... and use bearing spacers... and have them snug ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

snug wheels destroys sound and feel according to everyone, so maybe don't do that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cjt on September 10, 2020, 05:10:30 AM
Quote from: Beeker on September 09, 2020, 07:43:25 PM
Quote from: anon on September 09, 2020, 11:10:45 AM
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Quote from: Xen on September 09, 2020, 10:14:11 AM
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Quote from: anon on September 08, 2020, 01:01:56 PM
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Quote from: Xen on September 08, 2020, 12:55:11 PM
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Proof will be in your ollies.
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actually, i'm talking about the sound/feel, not the height/timing
i like to make my boards last and it sucks if they feel dead before they really are
is the pop dampened noticeably with risers? also, i'm going with forged baseplates, so maybe that'll even things out?
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I've always loosened my wheels to give a bit more rattle if the board is too dead (it's why I hate skating 99s).
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i only skate 99s... and use bearing spacers... and have them snug ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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snug wheels destroys sound and feel according to everyone, so maybe don't do that.

do yall mean just a tiny bit of chikka chikka or completely snug with no free spin?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on September 10, 2020, 07:01:57 AM
Quote from: cjt on September 10, 2020, 05:10:30 AM
Quote from: Beeker on September 09, 2020, 07:43:25 PM
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Quote from: anon on September 09, 2020, 11:10:45 AM
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Quote from: Xen on September 09, 2020, 10:14:11 AM
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Quote from: anon on September 08, 2020, 01:01:56 PM
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Quote from: Xen on September 08, 2020, 12:55:11 PM
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Proof will be in your ollies.
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actually, i'm talking about the sound/feel, not the height/timing
i like to make my boards last and it sucks if they feel dead before they really are
is the pop dampened noticeably with risers? also, i'm going with forged baseplates, so maybe that'll even things out?
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I've always loosened my wheels to give a bit more rattle if the board is too dead (it's why I hate skating 99s).
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i only skate 99s... and use bearing spacers... and have them snug ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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snug wheels destroys sound and feel according to everyone, so maybe don't do that.
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do yall mean just a tiny bit of chikka chikka or completely snug with no free spin?

If you use spacers or 'built-in' bearings you can tighten the nut down so that there is no play (no chikka chikka) and your wheels will still spin (this rarely works in practice with spacers). That's what's meant by snug. It murders the feel and sound of the board and you don't get squeaks when reverting, hence why no one does it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 10, 2020, 11:46:18 AM
Quote from: cjt on September 10, 2020, 05:10:30 AM
Quote from: Beeker on September 09, 2020, 07:43:25 PM
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Quote from: anon on September 09, 2020, 11:10:45 AM
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Quote from: Xen on September 09, 2020, 10:14:11 AM
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Quote from: anon on September 08, 2020, 01:01:56 PM
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Quote from: Xen on September 08, 2020, 12:55:11 PM
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Proof will be in your ollies.
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actually, i'm talking about the sound/feel, not the height/timing
i like to make my boards last and it sucks if they feel dead before they really are
is the pop dampened noticeably with risers? also, i'm going with forged baseplates, so maybe that'll even things out?
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I've always loosened my wheels to give a bit more rattle if the board is too dead (it's why I hate skating 99s).
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i only skate 99s... and use bearing spacers... and have them snug ¯\_(&#38;#38;#12484;)_/¯
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snug wheels destroys sound and feel according to everyone, so maybe don't do that.
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do yall mean just a tiny bit of chikka chikka or completely snug with no free spin?

chikka chikka

(I'm running race reds right now with some chikka chikka, totally defeating their build purpose)...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MxsDx on September 10, 2020, 01:13:40 PM
Light vs. Heavy Trucks...Does anyone prefer standard/heavier trucks over their reduced weight counterparts (e.g., polished ventures vs. hollow-lights, indy standards over hollows etc.)  It seems like a super light weigh truck would help with pop, but many people say the tensor mag-lights, for example, are too light while others say they enjoy the pop of a heavier truck.  Without factoring in things like wheelbase and axle height, does anyone have strong opinions on how truck weight effects board feel?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on September 10, 2020, 01:30:18 PM
Quote from: MxsDx on September 10, 2020, 01:13:40 PM
Light vs. Heavy Trucks...Does anyone prefer standard/heavier trucks over their reduced weight counterparts (e.g., polished ventures vs. hollow-lights, indy standards over hollows etc.)  It seems like a super light weigh truck would help with pop, but many people say the tensor mag-lights, for example, are too light while others say they enjoy the pop of a heavier truck.  Without factoring in things like wheelbase and axle height, does anyone have strong opinions on how truck weight effects board feel?

On smaller decks 8-8.25 I like the feel of standard trucks and as the deck sizes go up I prefer lighter trucks. 8.75-9.5 feel best with lighter trucks for me. Bigger than that and I’m not usually doing that much stuff where the weight  is that big of a deal, though some shapes I like lighter trucks on. I’m riding a 10’ Heroin egg shape right now that feels good with Indy 169Ti and an 8.3 popsicle with Thunder 149 standards and the weight feels right on both.

I’m prepared to accept the possibility that it’s all mental, though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on September 10, 2020, 02:49:27 PM
im just hoping dlx shows venture some love too with a height chart
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on September 10, 2020, 02:49:31 PM
There's probably some physics to explain it.

I guess the inertia from a heavier truck will make the board go upwards for longer vs a lighter truck.
We're talking less than 100g(total) differences unless we talk about something like a Tensor.

I went from Thunder Hollow Lights to Raws. Can still only 8 boards without too much of a hassle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: aksanaom on September 11, 2020, 10:50:15 AM
This is a dumb as fuck question. I never ride indys and i just ordered these. Are these "indy polished" the standard stage 11 indys? It doesn't say stage 11 anywhere and now i'm curious

https://www.zumiez.com/independent-polished-silver-navy-169-skateboard-truck.html?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=1085231&utm_campaign=google_shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQjwwOz6BRCgARIsAKEG4FVfh5jWdlrv8XInOZ9wp7ok0pKu-S2q1wHL747dLKIjsgsmj-dfa7kaAlaIEALw_wcB
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: os89 on September 11, 2020, 10:54:11 AM
Quote from: aksanaom on September 11, 2020, 10:50:15 AM
This is a dumb as fuck question. I never ride indys and i just ordered these. Are these "indy polished" the standard stage 11 indys? It doesn't say stage 11 anywhere and now i'm curious

https://www.zumiez.com/independent-polished-silver-navy-169-skateboard-truck.html

Yep, regular ass stage 11 Indys. They have been out a while. Like 7-8 years or something?

On another note, could someone please explain why Venture has so many colored bushings and what duro they are? I just got some with purple ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on September 11, 2020, 11:00:45 AM
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This is a dumb as fuck question. I never ride indys and i just ordered these. Are these "indy polished" the standard stage 11 indys? It doesn't say stage 11 anywhere and now i'm curious

https://www.zumiez.com/independent-polished-silver-navy-169-skateboard-truck.html
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Yep, regular ass stage 11 Indys. They have been out a while. Like 7-8 years or something?

On another note, could someone please explain why Venture has so many colored bushings and what duro they are? I just got some with purple ones.

All the stock bushings are 90a. Deluxe makes aftermarkets in different durometer/color combos, but the stocks or always 90a. Or is it 92a? Whatever the case, they're all the same duro and come in different colors just to look nice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: os89 on September 11, 2020, 11:02:28 AM
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This is a dumb as fuck question. I never ride indys and i just ordered these. Are these "indy polished" the standard stage 11 indys? It doesn't say stage 11 anywhere and now i'm curious

https://www.zumiez.com/independent-polished-silver-navy-169-skateboard-truck.html
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Yep, regular ass stage 11 Indys. They have been out a while. Like 7-8 years or something?

On another note, could someone please explain why Venture has so many colored bushings and what duro they are? I just got some with purple ones.
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All the stock bushings are 90a. Deluxe makes aftermarkets in different durometer/color combos, but the stocks or always 90a. Or is it 92a? Whatever the case, they're all the same duro and come in different colors just to look nice.

Ahh ok thanks, that makes sense. Gnar
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on September 11, 2020, 11:50:06 AM
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This is a dumb as fuck question. I never ride indys and i just ordered these. Are these "indy polished" the standard stage 11 indys? It doesn't say stage 11 anywhere and now i'm curious

https://www.zumiez.com/independent-polished-silver-navy-169-skateboard-truck.html (https://www.zumiez.com/independent-polished-silver-navy-169-skateboard-truck.html)
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Yep, regular ass stage 11 Indys. They have been out a while. Like 7-8 years or something?

On another note, could someone please explain why Venture has so many colored bushings and what duro they are? I just got some with purple ones.
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All the stock bushings are 90a. Deluxe makes aftermarkets in different durometer/color combos, but the stocks or always 90a. Or is it 92a? Whatever the case, they're all the same duro and come in different colors just to look nice.
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Ahh ok thanks, that makes sense. Gnar
yep spot on. pretty sure 90a stock. but the purple dxl aftermarket are 97a
(https://cdn.warehouseskateboards.com/images/products/preview/1SDLXSPRCP00032.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on September 11, 2020, 12:46:05 PM
Quote from: os89 on September 11, 2020, 10:54:11 AM

Yep, regular ass stage 11 Indys. They have been out a while. Like 7-8 years or something?


for some reason, this just jogged my memory that i hated the turn of those stage 10s, but i like the pop more betta.

i gave them away when they were approaching axle, kinda regret.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on September 13, 2020, 11:33:08 AM
139s/5.2s on a 7.75; yea or nay?
My apologies if this has been discussed already but 303 pages is a lot to skim though.
Got a 7.75 deck a bit ago cuz I wanted to size down, but only trucks my shop has are 139s for indys and 5.2 for ventures; no 129s or 5.0s. What are the pros and cons? It’d pretty much be the equivalent of riding 149s on an 8.25 right?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on September 13, 2020, 11:43:41 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on September 01, 2020, 07:53:23 PM
Does anyone here skate medium Bones bushings in Indys? If so, how are they? I usually skate the aftermarket medium Indy or stock Indy bushings but I'm thinking of trying something different.
Ran it for years but I found that I liked the medium hard Indy aftermarkets better. Bones to me never lasted that long
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on September 13, 2020, 11:57:29 AM
Quote from: Noble Experiment on September 13, 2020, 11:33:08 AM
139s/5.2s on a 7.75; yea or nay?
My apologies if this has been discussed already but 303 pages is a lot to skim though.
Got a 7.75 deck a bit ago cuz I wanted to size down, but only trucks my shop has are 139s for indys and 5.2 for ventures; no 129s or 5.0s. What are the pros and cons? It’d pretty much be the equivalent of riding 149s on an 8.25 right?
yeah, i've been skating 8" trucks with 7.75s for a while. it's a-ok, buddy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on September 14, 2020, 04:47:59 AM
Thinking of switching from venture 5.8 standard to thunder team hollows. I can't find 5.8 hollow ventures anywhere. What's the biggest wheel I could get away with on thunder teams (50mm height) without rocking risers? I have enough clearance on 55mm spits with the ventures (53mm height).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ok boomer on September 14, 2020, 06:23:35 AM
I've been flip flopping with Indys and Ventures but I rode my dude's board with Thunders over the weekend and now I've got some Thunders on the way. 147s. I've always considered myself an Indy guy who liked to dabble into Venture land but at this point in my skate life, seems like Thunder has what I need. They're light, turn good, quick pop on the flips (This has been my issue with Indys as I get older and my skills diminish. Heavy float low-to-the-ground-flips). This makes me feel kind of stupid, as I recently just bought Venture Lo 5.2s, but one fifteen minute session on Thunders made me buy some.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shawngreg on September 14, 2020, 07:33:36 AM
Quote from: Big Baby Jesus on September 14, 2020, 04:47:59 AM
Thinking of switching from venture 5.8 standard to thunder team hollows. I can't find 5.8 hollow ventures anywhere. What's the biggest wheel I could get away with on thunder teams (50mm height) without rocking risers? I have enough clearance on 55mm spits with the ventures (53mm height).

i'm almost positive they didnt make 5.8 hollows, just v-lights and titaniums.  unfortunately, i know nothing about Thunders, so i cant help you there
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on September 14, 2020, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: ok boomer on September 14, 2020, 06:23:35 AM
an Indy guy who liked to dabble into Venture land
I think Ive just found my new Instagram bio description
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on September 14, 2020, 09:52:27 AM
Quote from: ok boomer on September 14, 2020, 06:23:35 AM
I've been flip flopping with Indys and Ventures but I rode my dude's board with Thunders over the weekend and now I've got some Thunders on the way. 147s. I've always considered myself an Indy guy who liked to dabble into Venture land but at this point in my skate life, seems like Thunder has what I need. They're light, turn good, quick pop on the flips (This has been my issue with Indys as I get older and my skills diminish. Heavy float low-to-the-ground-flips). This makes me feel kind of stupid, as I recently just bought Venture Lo 5.2s, but one fifteen minute session on Thunders made me buy some.

Same, I hopped aboard the Venture bandwagon hard, rode my friend's setup with Thunder Team Hollow Lights and now I want to try a pair. And I already have the 147 and 148 in Titanium already. The pop was much lighter and responsive versus Ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on September 14, 2020, 10:05:24 AM
switched back to thunders after a few years with ace
manuals are so easy and the kingpin clearance is actually pretty good despite it not looking so
i'm using risers, but the pop is still pretty crispy, even with a razor tailed deck
only thing that bugs me is the nose/tailslides. don't know if i can get used to the feeling of sliding on the wheels
why isn't there a perfect truck?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on September 14, 2020, 10:11:44 AM
Quote from: anon on September 14, 2020, 10:05:24 AM
switched back to thunders after a few years with ace
manuals are so easy and the kingpin clearance is actually pretty good despite it not looking so
i'm using risers, but the pop is still pretty crispy, even with a razor tailed deck
only thing that bugs me is the nose/tailslides. don't know if i can get used to the feeling of sliding on the wheels
why isn't there a perfect truck?

Haven’t skated Thunder in ~15 years, stepped on my homies board with em the other day and I could hold a manual for as long as I wanted, until the board stopped moving. Felt like a cheat code.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 14, 2020, 11:21:55 AM
It's because Thunders land right in the middle between Indy and Venture and, dare I say, give you the best of both.

For Me:

Indy/ACE = bowls

Thunder everything else (I just don't like how they treat me in bowls due to wheelbite in some park pockets).

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on September 14, 2020, 12:08:16 PM
Funny you guys say that. Bcuz when I skate indy's, I can manual for days.
Meanwhile I actually skate Thunders 99% of the time.

Indy's mellow out the board, it also sits taller, so its got a bigger margin for error.
A Thunder's tipping point is much smaller, if you ask me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ok boomer on September 15, 2020, 04:28:02 PM
Thunders are here, set 'em up. My son is being a clown since I walked in the door though, so I'm currently in "discipline mode", which is interfering with the joy of my new trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on September 15, 2020, 08:30:34 PM
Ive been content with my Thunders for a while now and have settled there but I'm questioning the use of a krux kingpin after years of using it simply because I've had too many situations where it's wiggled loose and sent my hanger flying. More recently, I realized that the thread in the front truck kingping had not only stripped, but the nut that normally holds in place within the cast thunder plates has dig in grooves into the sides of the plate where the nut won't tighten past a certain point. In the past I actually really did like the forged baseplate+riser combo with thunders but went to the cast plates so I could use the kingpin.

The question is, as much as I love the krux pins, is the extra clearance even necessary? Even though I hate the feeling of snagging the kingpin on a ledge, it more often comes down to user error than the truck itself. I also feel like the truck hangers are a tad less stable/secure on the truck when using the krux pins vs stock ones but that could just be mind games.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on September 15, 2020, 09:36:21 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on September 15, 2020, 08:30:34 PM
Ive been content with my Thunders for a while now and have settled there but I'm questioning the use of a krux kingpin after years of using it simply because I've had too many situations where it's wiggled loose and sent my hanger flying. More recently, I realized that the thread in the front truck kingping had not only stripped, but the nut that normally holds in place within the cast thunder plates has dig in grooves into the sides of the plate where the nut won't tighten past a certain point. In the past I actually really did like the forged baseplate+riser combo with thunders but went to the cast plates so I could use the kingpin.

The question is, as much as I love the krux pins, is the extra clearance even necessary? Even though I hate the feeling of snagging the kingpin on a ledge, it more often comes down to user error than the truck itself. I also feel like the truck hangers are a tad less stable/secure on the truck when using the krux pins vs stock ones but that could just be mind games.
unless you skate tight trucks, i say avoid inverted kingpins
they delay the turn ever so slightly because the kingpin isn't locked in place
i actually prefer the feel of smiths with regular kingpins. it's boring when there's no friction and you can't feel the grind
just do what ben degros does and grind down the kingpin nut beforehand
https://youtu.be/DBLIRIFHxuc?t=139
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rupertspupkin on September 15, 2020, 11:05:24 PM
Has anyone found risers that fit Ace baseplates? looking at my board and it's driving me insane.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on September 16, 2020, 04:16:11 AM
Quote from: rupertspupkin on September 15, 2020, 11:05:24 PM
Has anyone found risers that fit Ace baseplates? looking at my board and it's driving me insane.

Just picked up some 149 thunder team hollows and some deluxe supercush 97du bushing (best bushings ever. Have them in my 5.8 standards). Excited to try out some thunders. Only ever been on venture/Indy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ok boomer on September 16, 2020, 06:44:32 AM
Supercush are the best
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on September 16, 2020, 06:50:14 AM
Quote from: rupertspupkin on September 15, 2020, 11:05:24 PM
Has anyone found risers that fit Ace baseplates? looking at my board and it's driving me insane.
dooks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on September 16, 2020, 07:13:57 AM
Quote from: Firebert on September 16, 2020, 06:50:14 AM
Quote from: rupertspupkin on September 15, 2020, 11:05:24 PM
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Has anyone found risers that fit Ace baseplates? looking at my board and it's driving me insane.
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dooks

The only risers custom cut to fit Ace perfectly https://bluntsteel.com/collections/accessories/products/1
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beatifk on September 16, 2020, 08:15:30 AM
My great "Thunder Trucks Experiment of 2020" has come to a close.

I bought myself a christmas present this year of a pair of Thunder Hollow Lights and set them up a fresh complete (quasi deck, F4 wheels) which I skated for the first time on January 1, 2020. At first it felt super weird and couldn't figure out how tight or loose I wanted the trucks. I'd been primarily been using Ace prior to this and in accordance with their creed I like them loose. So that was the first challenge. I finally got them to where I liked them and I landed a few good tricks at the park that day so I felt good about.

Most of January and February I was working too much, it's our busy time of year, so not skating much. Weather was awful also, and most of my skating was going for a cruise after work to get a beer. I got used to the very different turn of the Thunders by doing this but I never felt comfortable ollieing at high speed. There's a huge bump in the bike path on the way to my favorite bar that I like to ollie off but I never could get the timing right with the Thunders.

Then March came and I was stuck in the house for months. I did some stationary skating in the driveway behind my apartment, but it was just something to kill boredom.

Finally in May I was able to go out again so I set up a new deck. Ishod twin tail. It was weird but I blamed the deck. Didn't feel comfortable at speed nor pushing tricks higher. That bump in the bike path continued to be a problem.

A week ago I set up a third deck on that truck/wheels setup, this time a Hockey. A shape I'm very comfortable with. I skated lots of Quasi and FA/Hockey in the past and I think they are my fav deck shape, I switch it up depending on what's at the shop that day. Same problems. What the fuck?!

For shits and giggles I took my old setup to work today for my lunchtime session. Quasi/Ace/F4. The first ollie I did was weird. But the second one was the same lofty and almost effortless ollie I remember from my past. I felt the skate gods lifting me up at that moment. Kickflips came back. Grinds felt dope. I missed the quick twitchy turn of the thunders but Ace turn great in a different way.

I blamed my shitty skating on decks; on my atrophied legs from Covid lockdown; from a hot summer; from depression; from my fat ass being a lazy old man. NOPE. Now I blame Thunder trucks. And the fact that I'm actually a horrible skateboarder, but not THAT bad, luckily.

I'm sticking to Ace from now on.

How do you people who switch stuff all the time do it? I still had Ace muscle memory from 9 months ago. It came right back. You must all be amazing skateboarders, or I'm just terrible. I can't do it.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on September 16, 2020, 08:46:04 AM
Quote from: anon on September 15, 2020, 09:36:21 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on September 15, 2020, 08:30:34 PM
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Ive been content with my Thunders for a while now and have settled there but I'm questioning the use of a krux kingpin after years of using it simply because I've had too many situations where it's wiggled loose and sent my hanger flying. More recently, I realized that the thread in the front truck kingping had not only stripped, but the nut that normally holds in place within the cast thunder plates has dig in grooves into the sides of the plate where the nut won't tighten past a certain point. In the past I actually really did like the forged baseplate+riser combo with thunders but went to the cast plates so I could use the kingpin.

The question is, as much as I love the krux pins, is the extra clearance even necessary? Even though I hate the feeling of snagging the kingpin on a ledge, it more often comes down to user error than the truck itself. I also feel like the truck hangers are a tad less stable/secure on the truck when using the krux pins vs stock ones but that could just be mind games.
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unless you skate tight trucks, i say avoid inverted kingpins
they delay the turn ever so slightly because the kingpin isn't locked in place
i actually prefer the feel of smiths with regular kingpins. it's boring when there's no friction and you can't feel the grind
just do what ben degros does and grind down the kingpin nut beforehand
https://youtu.be/DBLIRIFHxuc?t=139

Man I knew it was SOMETHING going on with the kingpin not being "set" into the baseplate but I could never put my finger on it. makes sense. I always have to tighten my front truck after a couple weeks or so because it'll slowly wiggle loose from grinds/hard wheelbite so I'm gonna do the forged baseplates for a while and see how it goes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on September 16, 2020, 09:19:01 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on September 16, 2020, 07:13:57 AM
Quote from: Firebert on September 16, 2020, 06:50:14 AM
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Quote from: rupertspupkin on September 15, 2020, 11:05:24 PM
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Has anyone found risers that fit Ace baseplates? looking at my board and it's driving me insane.
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dooks
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The only risers custom cut to fit Ace perfectly https://bluntsteel.com/collections/accessories/products/1

I donated a huge box of all my extra truck stuff including Dooks hard risers that seem to be hard to find. I could have swore they don't fit Ace's properly. Gay Imp Sausage Metal uses Diamond ones and in the set-up thread it looks like they're cut to fit perfectly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cjt on September 16, 2020, 12:59:10 PM
Quote from: rupertspupkin on September 15, 2020, 11:05:24 PM
Has anyone found risers that fit Ace baseplates? looking at my board and it's driving me insane.

It'll work with indy risers with only very little of the riser showing (I choose to do it towards the center of the board instead of the nose/tail). You just gotta use the area beside the holes (you'll have to use a tiny bit of force to poke the hardware through the first time)

(https://i.imgur.com/XkYhFTG.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Junglist on September 16, 2020, 01:53:40 PM
Can I ask a stupid question here? What do pivot cups really do? How much will a truck feel different if they’re switched to riptide? (Venture, thunder, ace)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on September 16, 2020, 02:01:48 PM
Quote from: Junglist on September 16, 2020, 01:53:40 PM
Can I ask a stupid question here? What do pivot cups really do? How much will a truck feel different if they’re switched to riptide? (Venture, thunder, ace)
Pivot cups are like cushions or bushings for the other end of the hanger. They assist the turn of a truck. Riptide pivot cups are a premium accessory made with a self lubricating formula so that the bushings last longer. Never had a set of riptides crack, creak, or wear out on me - still using the first set I ever got, the only reason I got more is for multiple setups because I won't ride a board without them now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cjt on September 16, 2020, 02:02:12 PM
Quote from: Junglist on September 16, 2020, 01:53:40 PM
Can I ask a stupid question here? What do pivot cups really do? How much will a truck feel different if they’re switched to riptide? (Venture, thunder, ace)

I'm sure you'll get more science based answers, but it's really a 3rd bushing. The hangar is mashing around in it like a pestle in mortar. It provides resistance when needed in the turn arc, and should snap back/fill in to its original shape when the truck is rebounded to its regular spot.

Riptide just happens to be an awesome brand, among a few others.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Junglist on September 16, 2020, 04:07:33 PM
Thanks guys. So the riptides make the turn, rebound and snapback better? Or are they just the bones bushings of pivot cups?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mr. Stinky on September 16, 2020, 04:59:19 PM
Quote from: rupertspupkin on September 15, 2020, 11:05:24 PM
Has anyone found risers that fit Ace baseplates? looking at my board and it's driving me insane.

They're bigger than the baseplate, but bones risers have oblong holes and will move under your plates so they don't stick out on nose/tailslides.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on September 17, 2020, 05:09:37 AM
Quote from: beatifk on September 16, 2020, 08:15:30 AM
My great "Thunder Trucks Experiment of 2020" has come to a close.

I bought myself a christmas present this year of a pair of Thunder Hollow Lights and set them up a fresh complete (quasi deck, F4 wheels) which I skated for the first time on January 1, 2020. At first it felt super weird and couldn't figure out how tight or loose I wanted the trucks. I'd been primarily been using Ace prior to this and in accordance with their creed I like them loose. So that was the first challenge. I finally got them to where I liked them and I landed a few good tricks at the park that day so I felt good about.

Most of January and February I was working too much, it's our busy time of year, so not skating much. Weather was awful also, and most of my skating was going for a cruise after work to get a beer. I got used to the very different turn of the Thunders by doing this but I never felt comfortable ollieing at high speed. There's a huge bump in the bike path on the way to my favorite bar that I like to ollie off but I never could get the timing right with the Thunders.

Then March came and I was stuck in the house for months. I did some stationary skating in the driveway behind my apartment, but it was just something to kill boredom.

Finally in May I was able to go out again so I set up a new deck. Ishod twin tail. It was weird but I blamed the deck. Didn't feel comfortable at speed nor pushing tricks higher. That bump in the bike path continued to be a problem.

A week ago I set up a third deck on that truck/wheels setup, this time a Hockey. A shape I'm very comfortable with. I skated lots of Quasi and FA/Hockey in the past and I think they are my fav deck shape, I switch it up depending on what's at the shop that day. Same problems. What the fuck?!

For shits and giggles I took my old setup to work today for my lunchtime session. Quasi/Ace/F4. The first ollie I did was weird. But the second one was the same lofty and almost effortless ollie I remember from my past. I felt the skate gods lifting me up at that moment. Kickflips came back. Grinds felt dope. I missed the quick twitchy turn of the thunders but Ace turn great in a different way.

I blamed my shitty skating on decks; on my atrophied legs from Covid lockdown; from a hot summer; from depression; from my fat ass being a lazy old man. NOPE. Now I blame Thunder trucks. And the fact that I'm actually a horrible skateboarder, but not THAT bad, luckily.

I'm sticking to Ace from now on.

How do you people who switch stuff all the time do it? I still had Ace muscle memory from 9 months ago. It came right back. You must all be amazing skateboarders, or I'm just terrible. I can't do it.
Thunders also don't work for me. They just won't.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on September 17, 2020, 06:51:25 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on September 16, 2020, 09:19:01 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on September 16, 2020, 07:13:57 AM
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Quote from: Firebert on September 16, 2020, 06:50:14 AM
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Quote from: rupertspupkin on September 15, 2020, 11:05:24 PM
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Has anyone found risers that fit Ace baseplates? looking at my board and it's driving me insane.
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dooks
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The only risers custom cut to fit Ace perfectly https://bluntsteel.com/collections/accessories/products/1
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I donated a huge box of all my extra truck stuff including Dooks hard risers that seem to be hard to find. I could have swore they don't fit Ace's properly. Gay Imp Sausage Metal uses Diamond ones and in the set-up thread it looks like they're cut to fit perfectly.

I have some Diamonds on the way and will post once they arrive. As far as slotted risers, Lucky fit pretty well. I was running Modus for a bit but I didn't like how far it stuck out for nose slides.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on September 17, 2020, 07:30:37 AM
I also have diamond risers for my aces, although you do have to cut them to fit since they’re a little bit longer than the baseplate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on September 17, 2020, 07:45:59 AM
As I mentioned earlier on in this thread, I put together a second setup recently, a 7.75 Toy Machine just to mess around on, and i wanted Ventures for them but the only trucks the shop had that matched that size were Indy standards. It’s my first set of Indy’s in a while ever since I switched to ventures; right off the bat they felt a lot less stable and a lot squirrellier than the ventures I’ve grown accustomed to, but man does that surfy turn just feel so right to me; I’d be lying if I said I didn’t miss it. Grew up skating nothing but indys and going back to a pair almost gave me like a “welcome home” feeling. It’s just what my mind and muscle memory is used to.

I think I’ve found my perfect bushing combo too for indys: bones hard tops with Indy aftermarket barrels on the the bottom; gives em the bones rebound but takes away the mushiness that comes with bones as well (not sure if anyone else thought bones just felt mushy at times but I always did). Makes em feel a lot more responsive and less squirrelly right off the bat.

Still love the stability and hefty pop of a venture but so far I’ve been enjoying my time back on indys for this second setup
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on September 17, 2020, 04:45:47 PM
Quote from: Junglist on September 16, 2020, 04:07:33 PM
Thanks guys. So the riptides make the turn, rebound and snapback better? Or are they just the bones bushings of pivot cups?
Riptides are indestructible. Bones won’t even last me the life of a set of trucks. Do yourself the favor, spend the 14 bucks and know true pleasure
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SlapRhaters on September 17, 2020, 06:26:08 PM
How do you rock your tensors? do you keep the stock bushings or switch to bones soft?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on September 17, 2020, 06:51:04 PM
Quote from: SlapRhaters on September 17, 2020, 06:26:08 PM
How do you rock your tensors? do you keep the stock bushings or switch to bones soft?
atg? Stock all day they’re great w the interlocking bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on September 17, 2020, 07:06:57 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on September 17, 2020, 06:51:04 PM
Quote from: SlapRhaters on September 17, 2020, 06:26:08 PM
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How do you rock your tensors? do you keep the stock bushings or switch to bones soft?
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atg? Stock all day they’re great w the interlocking bushings
I ran mine with both. For me the stock ones ended up making a clicking sound
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on September 17, 2020, 07:39:54 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on September 17, 2020, 06:51:04 PM
Quote from: SlapRhaters on September 17, 2020, 06:26:08 PM
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How do you rock your tensors? do you keep the stock bushings or switch to bones soft?
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atg? Stock all day they’re great w the interlocking bushings
I wonder how would Ace work with Tensor interlocking bushings...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: augustmoon on September 17, 2020, 11:05:19 PM
Quote from: Firebert on September 16, 2020, 02:01:48 PM
Quote from: Junglist on September 16, 2020, 01:53:40 PM
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Can I ask a stupid question here? What do pivot cups really do? How much will a truck feel different if they’re switched to riptide? (Venture, thunder, ace)
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Pivot cups are like cushions or bushings for the other end of the hanger. They assist the turn of a truck. Riptide pivot cups are a premium accessory made with a self lubricating formula so that the bushings last longer. Never had a set of riptides crack, creak, or wear out on me - still using the first set I ever got, the only reason I got more is for multiple setups because I won't ride a board without them now.

Actually just ordered a set of these for my Ace.  This thread has given me the madness and now I can’t get My trucks right.  I noticed the hanger was sloshing around in the pivot cups, and I hope this fixes it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 18, 2020, 01:18:21 PM
Quote from: SlapRhaters on September 17, 2020, 06:26:08 PM
How do you rock your tensors? do you keep the stock bushings or switch to bones soft?

I ran them stock and with bones meds/softs; I found the stocks to be quite hard/tight (at only 90a if Tensor is to be trusted); if you ride on the tighter side, they're probably great but I found bones softs to be perfect for how loose I ride). Bones Meds were fine as well, just not as loose as I wanted the ATGs to be.

Bones without washers are the same height as tensors with washers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cjt on September 18, 2020, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: augustmoon on September 17, 2020, 11:05:19 PM
Quote from: Firebert on September 16, 2020, 02:01:48 PM
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Quote from: Junglist on September 16, 2020, 01:53:40 PM
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Can I ask a stupid question here? What do pivot cups really do? How much will a truck feel different if they’re switched to riptide? (Venture, thunder, ace)
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Pivot cups are like cushions or bushings for the other end of the hanger. They assist the turn of a truck. Riptide pivot cups are a premium accessory made with a self lubricating formula so that the bushings last longer. Never had a set of riptides crack, creak, or wear out on me - still using the first set I ever got, the only reason I got more is for multiple setups because I won't ride a board without them now.
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Actually just ordered a set of these for my Ace.  This thread has given me the madness and now I can’t get My trucks right.  I noticed the hanger was sloshing around in the pivot cups, and I hope this fixes it

i live for the slosh
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on September 20, 2020, 11:26:53 PM
how would one go about removing rust on the inside of hollow axles?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on September 21, 2020, 08:00:32 AM
Quote from: anon on September 20, 2020, 11:26:53 PM
how would one go about removing rust on the inside of hollow axles?
Every hollow axle out there is rusty. If you really wanted to clean it up though, I guess a pipe cleaner and some wd40 would work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 21, 2020, 08:51:25 AM
Quote from: cjt on September 18, 2020, 02:47:18 PM
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Can I ask a stupid question here? What do pivot cups really do? How much will a truck feel different if they’re switched to riptide? (Venture, thunder, ace)
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Pivot cups are like cushions or bushings for the other end of the hanger. They assist the turn of a truck. Riptide pivot cups are a premium accessory made with a self lubricating formula so that the bushings last longer. Never had a set of riptides crack, creak, or wear out on me - still using the first set I ever got, the only reason I got more is for multiple setups because I won't ride a board without them now.
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Actually just ordered a set of these for my Ace.  This thread has given me the madness and now I can’t get My trucks right.  I noticed the hanger was sloshing around in the pivot cups, and I hope this fixes it
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i live for the slosh
The Shoes and Gear thread will have you getting a bunch of parts and stuff to try.
I remember when people would get the Ace Mag plates and modify them with RipTides and Krux kingpin, then throw some Khiro bushings with the khiro racer washers and Thunder hanger.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: kenjiro on September 21, 2020, 08:56:41 AM
So i’ve come to the realization I’m probably never going to size up from 8.25. Maybe occasionally trying an 8.38/8.125.  My question for you all is should i go with 149 or 148s? I mainly skate transition/mini ramp. Still beginner level for ledges and rails.

I love everything about my thunder 149s, but i’m wondering how much of a difference in flipability i would gain from sizing down. And also what id lose by sizing down in my transition skating. If anyone has some insight into what trucks they use for 8.25 that’d be appreciated
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on September 21, 2020, 09:16:45 AM
Quote from: kenjiro on September 21, 2020, 08:56:41 AM
So i’ve come to the realization I’m probably never going to size up from 8.25. Maybe occasionally trying an 8.38/8.125.  My question for you all is should i go with 149 or 148s? I mainly skate transition/mini ramp. Still beginner level for ledges and rails.

I love everything about my thunder 149s, but i’m wondering how much of a difference in flipability i would gain from sizing down. And also what id lose by sizing down in my transition skating. If anyone has some insight into what trucks they use for 8.25 that’d be appreciated

Moved up from 8.125 to 8.25, swapping Ventures for Thunder 148. Never rode 149, but at 148 things are feeling right. I skate mostly ledges and rails on a deck with steep kicks. Popping tricks felt easier and lighter versus the Ventures I setup previously.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 21, 2020, 09:38:10 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on September 21, 2020, 09:16:45 AM
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So i’ve come to the realization I’m probably never going to size up from 8.25. Maybe occasionally trying an 8.38/8.125.  My question for you all is should i go with 149 or 148s? I mainly skate transition/mini ramp. Still beginner level for ledges and rails.

I love everything about my thunder 149s, but i’m wondering how much of a difference in flipability i would gain from sizing down. And also what id lose by sizing down in my transition skating. If anyone has some insight into what trucks they use for 8.25 that’d be appreciated
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Moved up from 8.125 to 8.25, swapping Ventures for Thunder 148. Never rode 149, but at 148 things are feeling right. I skate mostly ledges and rails on a deck with steep kicks. Popping tricks felt easier and lighter versus the Ventures I setup previously.
If you’ll flip from 8.125 and 8.38, i think 148 is a safe bet. Just because it’s in between.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on September 21, 2020, 12:21:27 PM
Quote from: cjt on September 18, 2020, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: augustmoon on September 17, 2020, 11:05:19 PM
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Quote from: Firebert on September 16, 2020, 02:01:48 PM
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Can I ask a stupid question here? What do pivot cups really do? How much will a truck feel different if they’re switched to riptide? (Venture, thunder, ace)
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Pivot cups are like cushions or bushings for the other end of the hanger. They assist the turn of a truck. Riptide pivot cups are a premium accessory made with a self lubricating formula so that the bushings last longer. Never had a set of riptides crack, creak, or wear out on me - still using the first set I ever got, the only reason I got more is for multiple setups because I won't ride a board without them now.
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Actually just ordered a set of these for my Ace.  This thread has given me the madness and now I can’t get My trucks right.  I noticed the hanger was sloshing around in the pivot cups, and I hope this fixes it
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i live for the slosh

I've been sloshing for awhile and remembered I had a stash of riptides and they reminded me how crucial pivot cups are just as much as bushings. Riptides in some Ace's with either Krux aftermarkets or the new Ace bushings and you have the most insane turning on the market right now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 21, 2020, 02:11:26 PM
Anyone try riptide pivots in thunders?  They have a generic one that they say can be used in indy/thunder/venture but they don't know this thread.   I think Ben d tried it and it worked ok....

With the hardgoods shortage, I'm thinking of an overhaul where I swap hangers.  I usually would never do that but, I guess I might have to squeeze out the life of a set of trucks. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on September 21, 2020, 02:40:50 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 21, 2020, 02:11:26 PM
Anyone try riptide pivots in thunders?  They have a generic one that they say can be used in indy/thunder/venture but they don't know this thread.   I think Ben d tried it and it worked ok....

With the hardgoods shortage, I'm thinking of an overhaul where I swap hangers.  I usually would never do that but, I guess I might have to squeeze out the life of a set of trucks.
theres a pair specifically for thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: themanwhomakes on September 21, 2020, 03:03:27 PM
Quote from: Esmith5488 on September 17, 2020, 04:45:47 PM
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Thanks guys. So the riptides make the turn, rebound and snapback better? Or are they just the bones bushings of pivot cups?
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Riptides are indestructible. Bones won’t even last me the life of a set of trucks. Do yourself the favor, spend the 14 bucks and know true pleasure

I’ve cracked a riptide pivot cup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 21, 2020, 06:00:00 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 21, 2020, 02:11:26 PM
Anyone try riptide pivots in thunders?  They have a generic one that they say can be used in indy/thunder/venture but they don't know this thread.   I think Ben d tried it and it worked ok....

With the hardgoods shortage, I'm thinking of an overhaul where I swap hangers.  I usually would never do that but, I guess I might have to squeeze out the life of a set of trucks. 

I've used the 'indy' riptides in everything: Thudner, indy, ace, theeve, tensors, ventures, they work fine, they're flexible and confirm (besides how different are the pivots anyway really).

Only the ACE riptides seem to be thicker.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 21, 2020, 06:34:36 PM
The thunder pivot is definitely smaller.  I can see though if they fit tight they'll be fine. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on September 21, 2020, 06:45:17 PM
Ishod. Thunder.  Kingpin?
(https://i.ibb.co/pXmgCy9/FC0-D683-A-63-C7-4-A15-97-EF-BAFDF16-F2-D4-C.png) (https://ibb.co/pXmgCy9)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on September 21, 2020, 07:47:11 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on September 21, 2020, 06:45:17 PM
Ishod. Thunder.  Kingpin?
(https://i.ibb.co/pXmgCy9/FC0-D683-A-63-C7-4-A15-97-EF-BAFDF16-F2-D4-C.png) (https://ibb.co/pXmgCy9)
thats delicious
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on September 21, 2020, 07:58:24 PM
Quote from: off on September 21, 2020, 07:47:11 PM
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Ishod. Thunder.  Kingpin?
(https://i.ibb.co/pXmgCy9/FC0-D683-A-63-C7-4-A15-97-EF-BAFDF16-F2-D4-C.png) (https://ibb.co/pXmgCy9)
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thats delicious

Thunders been working on those for a while now, not sure when they're being officially released though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on September 21, 2020, 09:58:04 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on September 21, 2020, 06:45:17 PM
Ishod. Thunder.  Kingpin?
(https://i.ibb.co/pXmgCy9/FC0-D683-A-63-C7-4-A15-97-EF-BAFDF16-F2-D4-C.png) (https://ibb.co/pXmgCy9)
that's great and all, but what about extending the baseplates?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on September 21, 2020, 11:04:53 PM
Quote from: anon on September 21, 2020, 09:58:04 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on September 21, 2020, 06:45:17 PM
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Ishod. Thunder.  Kingpin?
(https://i.ibb.co/pXmgCy9/FC0-D683-A-63-C7-4-A15-97-EF-BAFDF16-F2-D4-C.png) (https://ibb.co/pXmgCy9)
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that's great and all, but what about extending the baseplates?

Dude is asking the real questions here!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Damoforce on September 22, 2020, 03:36:32 AM
Quote from: anon on September 21, 2020, 09:58:04 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on September 21, 2020, 06:45:17 PM
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Ishod. Thunder.  Kingpin?
(https://i.ibb.co/pXmgCy9/FC0-D683-A-63-C7-4-A15-97-EF-BAFDF16-F2-D4-C.png) (https://ibb.co/pXmgCy9)
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that's great and all, but what about extending the baseplates?

That's the truth, nosesliding on your wheels. Nobody likes that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Slayer666 on September 22, 2020, 03:41:45 AM
Quote from: Damoforce on September 22, 2020, 03:36:32 AM
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Ishod. Thunder.  Kingpin?
(https://i.ibb.co/pXmgCy9/FC0-D683-A-63-C7-4-A15-97-EF-BAFDF16-F2-D4-C.png) (https://ibb.co/pXmgCy9)
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that's great and all, but what about extending the baseplates?
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That's the truth, nosesliding on your wheels. Nobody likes that.
i think it’s fun
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on September 22, 2020, 07:53:59 AM
Quote from: Xen on September 21, 2020, 06:00:00 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 21, 2020, 02:11:26 PM
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Anyone try riptide pivots in thunders?  They have a generic one that they say can be used in indy/thunder/venture but they don't know this thread.   I think Ben d tried it and it worked ok....

With the hardgoods shortage, I'm thinking of an overhaul where I swap hangers.  I usually would never do that but, I guess I might have to squeeze out the life of a set of trucks. 
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I've used the 'indy' riptides in everything: Thudner, indy, ace, theeve, tensors, ventures, they work fine, they're flexible and confirm (besides how different are the pivots anyway really).

Only the ACE riptides seem to be thicker.

I've not used any other riptides in other trucks so I don't know how easy it is to get them to fit, but the set of Ace's I have now (stage 2's) are insanely stubborn compared to other Ace's I've had previously. They wouldn't fit the Ace Riptides no matter how hard I tried. They even sent me a warranty set of Riptide's in case it was on them. Just the other day I tried again and one set would work and another would just slip right off the pivot nub. I learned I have to smush them onto the nub really hard and then quickly jam it into the pivot hole of the baseplate and hurry up and screw down the nut, or else the hanger starts to raise up from the cup. It's a battle worth fighting, though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 22, 2020, 09:37:14 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on September 22, 2020, 07:53:59 AM
Quote from: Xen on September 21, 2020, 06:00:00 PM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on September 21, 2020, 02:11:26 PM
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Anyone try riptide pivots in thunders?  They have a generic one that they say can be used in indy/thunder/venture but they don't know this thread.   I think Ben d tried it and it worked ok....

With the hardgoods shortage, I'm thinking of an overhaul where I swap hangers.  I usually would never do that but, I guess I might have to squeeze out the life of a set of trucks. 
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I've used the 'indy' riptides in everything: Thudner, indy, ace, theeve, tensors, ventures, they work fine, they're flexible and confirm (besides how different are the pivots anyway really).

Only the ACE riptides seem to be thicker.
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I've not used any other riptides in other trucks so I don't know how easy it is to get them to fit, but the set of Ace's I have now (stage 2's) are insanely stubborn compared to other Ace's I've had previously. They wouldn't fit the Ace Riptides no matter how hard I tried. They even sent me a warranty set of Riptide's in case it was on them. Just the other day I tried again and one set would work and another would just slip right off the pivot nub. I learned I have to smush them onto the nub really hard and then quickly jam it into the pivot hole of the baseplate and hurry up and screw down the nut, or else the hanger starts to raise up from the cup. It's a battle worth fighting, though.

You can fight this a bit by sticking a needled through the cup (it's the same reason why their new cups ship with a hole, to release the trapped air as you push them in).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on September 22, 2020, 10:39:52 AM
Quote from: Xen on September 22, 2020, 09:37:14 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on September 22, 2020, 07:53:59 AM
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Quote from: Xen on September 21, 2020, 06:00:00 PM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on September 21, 2020, 02:11:26 PM
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Anyone try riptide pivots in thunders?  They have a generic one that they say can be used in indy/thunder/venture but they don't know this thread.   I think Ben d tried it and it worked ok....

With the hardgoods shortage, I'm thinking of an overhaul where I swap hangers.  I usually would never do that but, I guess I might have to squeeze out the life of a set of trucks. 
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I've used the 'indy' riptides in everything: Thudner, indy, ace, theeve, tensors, ventures, they work fine, they're flexible and confirm (besides how different are the pivots anyway really).

Only the ACE riptides seem to be thicker.
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I've not used any other riptides in other trucks so I don't know how easy it is to get them to fit, but the set of Ace's I have now (stage 2's) are insanely stubborn compared to other Ace's I've had previously. They wouldn't fit the Ace Riptides no matter how hard I tried. They even sent me a warranty set of Riptide's in case it was on them. Just the other day I tried again and one set would work and another would just slip right off the pivot nub. I learned I have to smush them onto the nub really hard and then quickly jam it into the pivot hole of the baseplate and hurry up and screw down the nut, or else the hanger starts to raise up from the cup. It's a battle worth fighting, though.
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You can fight this a bit by sticking a needled through the cup (it's the same reason why their new cups ship with a hole, to release the trapped air as you push them in).

This was happening even WITH the new cups with the hole lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: augustmoon on September 22, 2020, 11:31:21 AM
just put mine in my aces.  won't be able to skate for a bit due to weather, but they feel a lot less squirrely standing on my board in my house.  i can't believe i've become a "truck set ups thread" guy, but thanks for all the good input.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gabagoolslide on September 22, 2020, 08:48:37 PM
My trucks feel all crunchy and shitty when I turn. I changed pivot cup and bushings and it’s still happening. It feels like the pivot cup is in gravel. Other truck is fine- Indy 159
Wtf is wrong?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on September 23, 2020, 10:38:11 AM
Quote from: Gabagoolslide on September 22, 2020, 08:48:37 PM
My trucks feel all crunchy and shitty when I turn. I changed pivot cup and bushings and it’s still happening. It feels like the pivot cup is in gravel. Other truck is fine- Indy 159
Wtf is wrong?
Loose kingpin?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mr. Stinky on September 23, 2020, 01:47:07 PM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  on September 23, 2020, 10:38:11 AM
Quote from: Gabagoolslide on September 22, 2020, 08:48:37 PM
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My trucks feel all crunchy and shitty when I turn. I changed pivot cup and bushings and it’s still happening. It feels like the pivot cup is in gravel. Other truck is fine- Indy 159
Wtf is wrong?
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Loose kingpin?

This sounds right. Dab of epoxy will set you right if that's the problem.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 23, 2020, 02:39:34 PM
Quote from: kenjiro on September 21, 2020, 08:56:41 AM
So i’ve come to the realization I’m probably never going to size up from 8.25. Maybe occasionally trying an 8.38/8.125.  My question for you all is should i go with 149 or 148s? I mainly skate transition/mini ramp. Still beginner level for ledges and rails.

I love everything about my thunder 149s, but i’m wondering how much of a difference in flipability i would gain from sizing down. And also what id lose by sizing down in my transition skating. If anyone has some insight into what trucks they use for 8.25 that’d be appreciated

148/144s - I usually run 8.125, 8.25 and 8.3 and 148/144s are perfect and very flexible.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 23, 2020, 06:30:48 PM
I agree....an 8.125 feels like an 8 and an 8.38 feels like an 8.5. Both work well on these trucks. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 23, 2020, 06:45:38 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 23, 2020, 06:30:48 PM
I agree....an 8.125 feels like an 8 and an 8.38 feels like an 8.5. Both work well on these trucks. 

True! It helps my mental game of bullshit my brains feeds me "8.0" is too narrow" or "8.5" is too big" ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gabagoolslide on September 23, 2020, 06:59:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Stinky on September 23, 2020, 01:47:07 PM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  on September 23, 2020, 10:38:11 AM
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Quote from: Gabagoolslide on September 22, 2020, 08:48:37 PM
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My trucks feel all crunchy and shitty when I turn. I changed pivot cup and bushings and it’s still happening. It feels like the pivot cup is in gravel. Other truck is fine- Indy 159
Wtf is wrong?
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Loose kingpin?
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This sounds right. Dab of epoxy will set you right if that's the problem.

Cool, I’ll try. Has to be the case. Come to think of it I have some stage vii with same problem, this could save the quiver.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: kenjiro on September 23, 2020, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: Xen on September 23, 2020, 02:39:34 PM
Quote from: kenjiro on September 21, 2020, 08:56:41 AM
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So i’ve come to the realization I’m probably never going to size up from 8.25. Maybe occasionally trying an 8.38/8.125.  My question for you all is should i go with 149 or 148s? I mainly skate transition/mini ramp. Still beginner level for ledges and rails.

I love everything about my thunder 149s, but i’m wondering how much of a difference in flipability i would gain from sizing down. And also what id lose by sizing down in my transition skating. If anyone has some insight into what trucks they use for 8.25 that’d be appreciated
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148/144s - I usually run 8.125, 8.25 and 8.3 and 148/144s are perfect and very flexible.

awesome. thanks for the advice! gonna have to try a set of 148s after i wear these 149s down
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on September 24, 2020, 10:43:25 AM
Damn I just ordered Aces thinking I could just switch over my Indy riptides from the trucks I'm currently running - will they not fit at all or is the Ace specific riptide just somehow more dialed into the specific geometry of Aces or what?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 24, 2020, 10:31:32 PM
I'm incensed of the fact you guys think all pivots are equal.....and from a longboard company no less...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on September 26, 2020, 08:33:28 PM
Can’t we all relate.

Swapping kingpins?

(https://i.ibb.co/5Kcst5p/653-A88-C3-DDFA-4-BF8-BC2-B-697-C3-C4-ABB78.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5Kcst5p)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on September 26, 2020, 10:31:02 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on September 26, 2020, 08:33:28 PM
Can’t we all relate.

Swapping kingpins?

(https://i.ibb.co/5Kcst5p/653-A88-C3-DDFA-4-BF8-BC2-B-697-C3-C4-ABB78.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5Kcst5p)




looks like he's robbing bushing out of the new indy mids.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Illyboy on September 30, 2020, 06:15:19 AM
Does anyone know what duro the green bushings are that come in Thunder lights II 148s? I wanna swap them for something less squishy but don’t have anything to go by number wise.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: identitycrisis2010 on September 30, 2020, 06:51:56 AM
all right question, so my favorite deck size/shape is 8.475 mellow concave baker,
i’m older now so really i’m mostly skating flat ground, and ledges, but i’m trying to get onto rails, and my tranny skills go about as far as a mini ramp.

i need that feeling when your shit just feels molded to your feet. i once had thunders - idk what size - with bones hard bushings, and it was like heaven beneath my feet, but then i tried to duplicate and it was terrible, so i switched to indys, i’ve had like 2 or 3 pairs and each time it feels like i’m fighting with my trucks to do what i want, i skated in the rain and my trucks are done, i’ve been skating trucks i don’t like too long, i want that good feeling again. i know it’s out there.
but now i’m in heavy ocd mode.

so outside suggestions?

sorry that was long winded.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on September 30, 2020, 07:04:01 AM
Quote from: Illyboy on September 30, 2020, 06:15:19 AM
Does anyone know what duro the green bushings are that come in Thunder lights II 148s? I wanna swap them for something less squishy but don’t have anything to go by number wise.

Pretty sure every stock Thunder bushing is 90a regardless of color
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on September 30, 2020, 07:29:13 AM
Quote from: identitycrisis2010 on September 30, 2020, 06:51:56 AM
all right question, so my favorite deck size/shape is 8.475 mellow concave baker,
i’m older now so really i’m mostly skating flat ground, and ledges, but i’m trying to get onto rails, and my tranny skills go about as far as a mini ramp.

i need that feeling when your shit just feels molded to your feet. i once had thunders - idk what size - with bones hard bushings, and it was like heaven beneath my feet, but then i tried to duplicate and it was terrible, so i switched to indys, i’ve had like 2 or 3 pairs and each time it feels like i’m fighting with my trucks to do what i want, i skated in the rain and my trucks are done, i’ve been skating trucks i don’t like too long, i want that good feeling again. i know it’s out there.
but now i’m in heavy ocd mode.

so outside suggestions?

sorry that was long winded.

That wasn't long winded don't worry man. I would just try to figure out what made the Thunders you liked feel good and go back to them. Switching to Thunder from Indy always feels odd for a little while.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 30, 2020, 07:38:41 AM
Quote from: identitycrisis2010 on September 30, 2020, 06:51:56 AM
all right question, so my favorite deck size/shape is 8.475 mellow concave baker,
i’m older now so really i’m mostly skating flat ground, and ledges, but i’m trying to get onto rails, and my tranny skills go about as far as a mini ramp.

i need that feeling when your shit just feels molded to your feet. i once had thunders - idk what size - with bones hard bushings, and it was like heaven beneath my feet, but then i tried to duplicate and it was terrible, so i switched to indys, i’ve had like 2 or 3 pairs and each time it feels like i’m fighting with my trucks to do what i want, i skated in the rain and my trucks are done, i’ve been skating trucks i don’t like too long, i want that good feeling again. i know it’s out there.
but now i’m in heavy ocd mode.

so outside suggestions?

sorry that was long winded.

Which generation Thunders? Pre-re-design or after?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: identitycrisis2010 on September 30, 2020, 08:13:18 AM
Quote from: Xen on September 30, 2020, 07:38:41 AM
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all right question, so my favorite deck size/shape is 8.475 mellow concave baker,
i’m older now so really i’m mostly skating flat ground, and ledges, but i’m trying to get onto rails, and my tranny skills go about as far as a mini ramp.

i need that feeling when your shit just feels molded to your feet. i once had thunders - idk what size - with bones hard bushings, and it was like heaven beneath my feet, but then i tried to duplicate and it was terrible, so i switched to indys, i’ve had like 2 or 3 pairs and each time it feels like i’m fighting with my trucks to do what i want, i skated in the rain and my trucks are done, i’ve been skating trucks i don’t like too long, i want that good feeling again. i know it’s out there.
but now i’m in heavy ocd mode.

so outside suggestions?

sorry that was long winded.
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Which generation Thunders? Pre-re-design or after?

this was probably like 2012ish, did not know they went through a redesign.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on September 30, 2020, 08:33:20 AM
Quote from: identitycrisis2010 on September 30, 2020, 06:51:56 AM
all right question, so my favorite deck size/shape is 8.475 mellow concave baker,
i’m older now so really i’m mostly skating flat ground, and ledges, but i’m trying to get onto rails, and my tranny skills go about as far as a mini ramp.

i need that feeling when your shit just feels molded to your feet. i once had thunders - idk what size - with bones hard bushings, and it was like heaven beneath my feet, but then i tried to duplicate and it was terrible, so i switched to indys, i’ve had like 2 or 3 pairs and each time it feels like i’m fighting with my trucks to do what i want, i skated in the rain and my trucks are done, i’ve been skating trucks i don’t like too long, i want that good feeling again. i know it’s out there.
but now i’m in heavy ocd mode.

so outside suggestions?

sorry that was long winded.

Ever tried Ace? I've tried Thunder 149, Venture 5.8, Indy 149 (and now have 159s on my second setup, which I love) and Ace 44, and my 44's are by far my favorite trucks for 8.25-8.5 decks (I run 3 washers inside each wheel to make them more like a 149 size wise). If Ace comes up with 8.6-8.75 trucks or something, I'd buy those in a heartbeat and ditch my 159s for my "fun" setup (football shapes, egg shapes and other weird(er) shapes)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: identitycrisis2010 on September 30, 2020, 08:40:17 AM
Quote from: Wizard0f0dds on September 30, 2020, 08:33:20 AM
Quote from: identitycrisis2010 on September 30, 2020, 06:51:56 AM
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all right question, so my favorite deck size/shape is 8.475 mellow concave baker,
i’m older now so really i’m mostly skating flat ground, and ledges, but i’m trying to get onto rails, and my tranny skills go about as far as a mini ramp.

i need that feeling when your shit just feels molded to your feet. i once had thunders - idk what size - with bones hard bushings, and it was like heaven beneath my feet, but then i tried to duplicate and it was terrible, so i switched to indys, i’ve had like 2 or 3 pairs and each time it feels like i’m fighting with my trucks to do what i want, i skated in the rain and my trucks are done, i’ve been skating trucks i don’t like too long, i want that good feeling again. i know it’s out there.
but now i’m in heavy ocd mode.

so outside suggestions?

sorry that was long winded.
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Ever tried Ace? I've tried Thunder 149, Venture 5.8, Indy 149 (and now have 159s on my second setup, which I love) and Ace 44, and my 44's are by far my favorite trucks for 8.25-8.5 decks (I run 3 washers inside each wheel to make them more like a 149 size wise). If Ace comes up with 8.6-8.75 trucks or something, I'd buy those in a heartbeat and ditch my 159s for my "fun" setup (football shapes, egg shapes and other weird(er) shapes)

i haven’t tried them, but i’ve heard a lot of good about them, i’ll check out a shop here to see if they have them, i stopped in the shop closest to me yesterday and it was sad that all they carry now is indys, they said that they are the only trucks that sell.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on September 30, 2020, 09:05:45 AM
Quote from: identitycrisis2010 on September 30, 2020, 08:40:17 AM
Quote from: Wizard0f0dds on September 30, 2020, 08:33:20 AM
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Quote from: identitycrisis2010 on September 30, 2020, 06:51:56 AM
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all right question, so my favorite deck size/shape is 8.475 mellow concave baker,
i’m older now so really i’m mostly skating flat ground, and ledges, but i’m trying to get onto rails, and my tranny skills go about as far as a mini ramp.

i need that feeling when your shit just feels molded to your feet. i once had thunders - idk what size - with bones hard bushings, and it was like heaven beneath my feet, but then i tried to duplicate and it was terrible, so i switched to indys, i’ve had like 2 or 3 pairs and each time it feels like i’m fighting with my trucks to do what i want, i skated in the rain and my trucks are done, i’ve been skating trucks i don’t like too long, i want that good feeling again. i know it’s out there.
but now i’m in heavy ocd mode.

so outside suggestions?

sorry that was long winded.
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Ever tried Ace? I've tried Thunder 149, Venture 5.8, Indy 149 (and now have 159s on my second setup, which I love) and Ace 44, and my 44's are by far my favorite trucks for 8.25-8.5 decks (I run 3 washers inside each wheel to make them more like a 149 size wise). If Ace comes up with 8.6-8.75 trucks or something, I'd buy those in a heartbeat and ditch my 159s for my "fun" setup (football shapes, egg shapes and other weird(er) shapes)
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i haven’t tried them, but i’ve heard a lot of good about them, i’ll check out a shop here to see if they have them, i stopped in the shop closest to me yesterday and it was sad that all they carry now is indys, they said that they are the only trucks that sell.

Sadly, I understand them. 90% of the guys I skate with are on indys I think. (I might be exaggerating a little, but not by much)

I just love my aces, I ride my trucks pretty loose and ace just stay stable a little bit better than my indys I think. Indys are also very good though, and last longer, you can't go wrong with them... Ace just have that "oomph" I'm looking for in a truck. Perfect height, awesome turn, massive pop, buttery grind, a little lighter than indys while still feeling solid af...  only downside is that they grind down a little quicker maybe, but I don't mind that too much, even though I hate brand new trucks, there's something satisfying about breaking them in and finally getting them to the point where you are in love again.

If I can't find aces when I need to change trucks, I'd go back to indys, maybe I'd try indys with ace bushings? The different duro of top and bottom could be what indys are missing, idk. That being said, I probably would miss my aces though, they really are the best trucks I ever stepped on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on September 30, 2020, 10:06:41 AM
I’ve been skating Thunder Ti with the forged plates, which I understand are 50mm high. Right now I’ve got them on a Polar 8.3, which mostly feels great, but I do find that my flick is quite poor like I almost under rotate everything and often don’t pop kick flips. Ventures were slightly better for this but I don’t like the way they lock into almost anything.

What is likely causing this? Height or wheelbase? I have some Ace I can throw on but I don’t remember liking them as much.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 30, 2020, 07:33:28 PM
With thunders they are lower and lighter so your tail hits super fast and the angle is mellow so your flick foot has less time to move up the board and kick off the nose....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on October 01, 2020, 07:38:50 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on September 30, 2020, 10:06:41 AM
I’ve been skating Thunder Ti with the forged plates, which I understand are 50mm high. Right now I’ve got them on a Polar 8.3, which mostly feels great, but I do find that my flick is quite poor like I almost under rotate everything and often don’t pop kick flips. Ventures were slightly better for this but I don’t like the way they lock into almost anything.

What is likely causing this? Height or wheelbase? I have some Ace I can throw on but I don’t remember liking them as much.

Low height can both give you a mellower/faster pop feel, which is more likely than your wheelbase. A longer wb can counteract it and make it balanced if you have the option. A different shape board with a longer wb or steeper tail may help you, or get some Thunders with cast plates. Maybe risers... I would honestly try those things before switching truck brands if you like everything else about them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beatifk on October 01, 2020, 08:25:41 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on September 30, 2020, 10:06:41 AM
I’ve been skating Thunder Ti with the forged plates, which I understand are 50mm high. Right now I’ve got them on a Polar 8.3, which mostly feels great, but I do find that my flick is quite poor like I almost under rotate everything and often don’t pop kick flips. Ventures were slightly better for this but I don’t like the way they lock into almost anything.

What is likely causing this? Height or wheelbase? I have some Ace I can throw on but I don’t remember liking them as much.

I had to ditch my Thunder Hollow Lights after trying them on 3 decks (over maybe 9 months) because I couldn't time anything correctly. I went back to Ace and feel at home. I've decided that thunders aren't for me. I really like the turn of thunder because it's super responsive, but if I can't do anything else but turn, what's the point?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on October 01, 2020, 10:58:48 AM
Everything else is fine but this. I generally like my deck shape and almost everything else is on point. Thunders seem to pinch for various grinds the best and overall the response feels really natural not wobbly or weird. Ventures felt solid pop wise, but I dunno, I could never feel as comfortable on 5-0 or crooks for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on October 01, 2020, 05:13:27 PM
Quote from: beatifk on October 01, 2020, 08:25:41 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on September 30, 2020, 10:06:41 AM
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I’ve been skating Thunder Ti with the forged plates, which I understand are 50mm high. Right now I’ve got them on a Polar 8.3, which mostly feels great, but I do find that my flick is quite poor like I almost under rotate everything and often don’t pop kick flips. Ventures were slightly better for this but I don’t like the way they lock into almost anything.

What is likely causing this? Height or wheelbase? I have some Ace I can throw on but I don’t remember liking them as much.
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I had to ditch my Thunder Hollow Lights after trying them on 3 decks (over maybe 9 months) because I couldn't time anything correctly. I went back to Ace and feel at home. I've decided that thunders aren't for me. I really like the turn of thunder because it's super responsive, but if I can't do anything else but turn, what's the point?

Thunders hang with Ace up until the final bottoming out whereas Ace's keep you carving. That's what got me off Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on October 01, 2020, 06:10:47 PM
It's a 14.38WB and I'm fairly sure Polar have decently long kicks. Steepness feels on par with my DLX decks at least. I liked them with a Quasi 8.38 as well, which was mellower.

Got some risers and some other Thunders with cast plates (not team) I can throw on to test the theory out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Slayer666 on October 01, 2020, 06:16:13 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on October 01, 2020, 05:13:27 PM
Quote from: beatifk on October 01, 2020, 08:25:41 AM
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Quote from: ballintoohard on September 30, 2020, 10:06:41 AM
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I’ve been skating Thunder Ti with the forged plates, which I understand are 50mm high. Right now I’ve got them on a Polar 8.3, which mostly feels great, but I do find that my flick is quite poor like I almost under rotate everything and often don’t pop kick flips. Ventures were slightly better for this but I don’t like the way they lock into almost anything.

What is likely causing this? Height or wheelbase? I have some Ace I can throw on but I don’t remember liking them as much.
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I had to ditch my Thunder Hollow Lights after trying them on 3 decks (over maybe 9 months) because I couldn't time anything correctly. I went back to Ace and feel at home. I've decided that thunders aren't for me. I really like the turn of thunder because it's super responsive, but if I can't do anything else but turn, what's the point?
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Thunders hang with Ace up until the final bottoming out whereas Ace's keep you carving. That's what got me off Thunders.
thunder gang
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on October 01, 2020, 08:32:42 PM
Looking for a little advice - I just got Ace 44's after skating Thunders for about the last year - I always ran indy riptides in my thunders and definitely felt like it helped the turn and snapback a lot. Should I move those riptides from my thunders or run the Aces stock?

Also wondering about how Ace stock bushings work.. I used to run Ace aftermarkets when I was skatin Indys, and Krux before that, and I def liked those more than either of the stocks with them.

This truck madness is due to this thread btw, so thanks, and also fuck all of you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on October 02, 2020, 07:55:22 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on October 01, 2020, 06:10:47 PM
It's a 14.38WB and I'm fairly sure Polar have decently long kicks. Steepness feels on par with my DLX decks at least. I liked them with a Quasi 8.38 as well, which was mellower.

Got some risers and some other Thunders with cast plates (not team) I can throw on to test the theory out.

Yeah, I’d try that out. I keep cast and forged plates handy because sometimes I prefer one or the other depending on the rest of my setup. Recently I was on a standard 8.25 DLX with a 14.38” wb running my forged and it felt great to me, then I ended up with a 8.25 Primitive with a 14” wb and the forged made my pop feel anemic so I swapped to my cast and everything felt way more balanced right away.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on October 02, 2020, 08:26:35 AM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on October 01, 2020, 08:32:42 PM
Looking for a little advice - I just got Ace 44's after skating Thunders for about the last year - I always ran indy riptides in my thunders and definitely felt like it helped the turn and snapback a lot. Should I move those riptides from my thunders or run the Aces stock?

Also wondering about how Ace stock bushings work.. I used to run Ace aftermarkets when I was skatin Indys, and Krux before that, and I def liked those more than either of the stocks with them.

This truck madness is due to this thread btw, so thanks, and also fuck all of you.

I personally rock all stock Aces, and I think they are amazing as is. But I've never been the kind of guy to swap parts in my trucks unless something breaks. Only thing I ever changed in my indys before getting on Ace was the pivot cups, but I only changed them because the stock ones had blown to pieces, and of course you'll see an improvement from blown out pivot cups to brand new ones...

My advice would be to try them out stock first, if you don't like them enough stock then maybe start swapping parts?

BTW, welcome to the Ace club  8)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on October 03, 2020, 05:06:47 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on October 01, 2020, 08:32:42 PM
Looking for a little advice - I just got Ace 44's after skating Thunders for about the last year - I always ran indy riptides in my thunders and definitely felt like it helped the turn and snapback a lot. Should I move those riptides from my thunders or run the Aces stock?

Also wondering about how Ace stock bushings work.. I used to run Ace aftermarkets when I was skatin Indys, and Krux before that, and I def liked those more than either of the stocks with them.

This truck madness is due to this thread btw, so thanks, and also fuck all of you.

The beauty of the Ace bushings is that the top is taller than most other brands, what that does is create more resistance throughout the whole turn. Combine that with a really soft bottom and you get a solid turn from top to bottom that still has kind of a soft feel.

Compare that to say Krux, which have a smaller top so you have a floppy lean at first then a really hard turn. Put the Ace bushing in Krux and it completely changes into a really good surfy truck with a very enjoyable turn, no more slop.

The old Ace bushings were too hard so the turn/feel suffered and in order to get them looser people liked Krux bushings because the top is shorter, they aren't actually that good (unless you like really hard bushings), hence why no one does that anymore.

(I also put an Ace bottom in my Thunders which gives a nice soft feeling turn but doesn't wheel bite as much.)

Long story short, stick with the stock bushings, but if you prefer them super loose try a shorter top bushing.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Damoforce on October 03, 2020, 07:51:35 PM
What do people find the best bushing change for Indy's? My set came with Whites and they are way too soft. I like em hard. I usually ride Bones Hards in Thunders. They a-ok to transfer over?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on October 03, 2020, 08:43:23 PM
Quote from: Damoforce on October 03, 2020, 07:51:35 PM
What do people find the best bushing change for Indy's? My set came with Whites and they are way too soft. I like em hard. I usually ride Bones Hards in Thunders. They a-ok to transfer over?
I ride bones hard bushings in my indy 144s. They feel great. I weigh 180lbs so the stock were way too soft.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on October 03, 2020, 11:52:02 PM
Anyone else skated newly produced Indys? I don't know if I'm imagining it but it feels like the aluminum is harder since they switched production to China. Doesn't have that usual softer grind feel of Indys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on October 04, 2020, 12:45:37 AM
Idk how new mine are but bought them in like June/July. Grind feels about the same, maybe a little harder but my old ones were axled and I was coming off of everything else so its tough to say.

Gotta say those new bushings feel a lot softer though, didn’t have to shave these ones down they’re actually a little too mushy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 04, 2020, 08:12:03 AM
I wouldn't be surprised.....hollows grind worse than regs no?  Because they are harder....I could see them changing the alloys...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on October 04, 2020, 09:21:48 AM
Yeah cast standard to Forged hollow there’s definitely a difference in grind. My forged hollows are pretty worn down so it’s not super noticeable but if you took both my setups and did a slappy back to back on each one you’d notice.

Also could just be how it feels under my feet since the forged hollows feel a lot different just cruising. Wasn’t stoked on the hollows.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jimgrude on October 04, 2020, 06:15:48 PM
I'll comment on a couple of the last topics on here.

- About the Ace vs. Krux bushing thing:
I agree that the only bushings for an Ace truck, are Ace bushings. It's part of what makes the turn so great. They'd also be great for other trucks when you want that smooth turn with a little bit of resistance throughout. However, I still think Krux bushings are fantastic if you're looking for that more twitchy, rattly feel. I've used them in Indy's, and now they're in my Theeve's ('cause the bones obviously didn't last). Yeah, they're kinda firm and have a lot of rebound, but that's why they're great when you wanna really loosen that nut. The short top bushing helps with keeping them rattly, and the firmness gives you a little jolt of resistance before you wheelbite.

- What do people find the best bushing change for Indy's?
As mentioned above, I really enjoyed Krux in them, but I don't recommend them if you like cranking the nut down. I actually have a set of Doh-Doh's medium in my 144's now (yeah, they still make them), and they're nice if you want a bit more resistance.

- Anyone else skated newly produced Indys?
The grind seems identical to me, so I doubt they changed the alloy. The machining is a bit cleaner, but that's only esthetical. However, there's something seriously wrong with the pivot. It seems too thin or something, so it has way too much play in the pivot hole. I would go through pivot cups like crazy until I got riptides (no, it's not because of messing around with the geo). The riptides hold up, but the pivot is still way looser than I'd prefer. I'm not the only person who has experienced this specifically with the Chindy's, so I'm hesitant to get another pair, and it's the main reason I've started using other brands on my main setup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 04, 2020, 08:36:10 PM
You'll see on those mids....the hanger is actually beefier.....I don't understand why other than its for manufacturing reasons.....I always think forged baseplates look weird because they look tiny compared to the hanger....mids look like this...but the base plate is forged....mindy is a bit chunky up top...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 07, 2020, 04:20:59 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 04, 2020, 08:36:10 PM
You'll see on those mids....the hanger is actually beefier.....I don't understand why other than its for manufacturing reasons.....I always think forged baseplates look weird because they look tiny compared to the hanger....mids look like this...but the base plate is forged....mindy is a bit chunky up top...

Mid plates are cast.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on October 09, 2020, 09:45:22 AM
Anyone know if there are hollow 5.6 ventures out there? I'm not in immediate need but I think after my current set I would like to go a little lighter.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: alcol on October 09, 2020, 11:30:04 AM
any updates on those new K5 krux?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 09, 2020, 01:33:27 PM
Quote from: alcol on October 09, 2020, 11:30:04 AM
any updates on those new K5 krux?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg

I've seen a few shops in Can list stuff online, some sold out, some not...wouldn't trust what you'd get (or when).

https://nhsfunfactory.ca/products/krux-trucks-8-50-k5-black-widow-dlk-2pk

https://www.longboarderlabs.com/product/krux-k5-galaxy-8-inhc-trucks/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nth syd bear on October 10, 2020, 09:21:32 PM
@Xen or anyone.. madness has got me today.
I switched from tensor ATG 5.75 Back to Indy forged hollows obviously weight difference is a fair bit
Im  thinking the titanium indys might be a nice in between?

Are the Indy titanium  worth the extra $$

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 10, 2020, 10:50:06 PM
Quote from: Xen on October 07, 2020, 04:20:59 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 04, 2020, 08:36:10 PM
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You'll see on those mids....the hanger is actually beefier.....I don't understand why other than its for manufacturing reasons.....I always think forged baseplates look weird because they look tiny compared to the hanger....mids look like this...but the base plate is forged....mindy is a bit chunky up top...
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Mid plates are cast.

I know.....but they look like forged because the new hangers are beefier......

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 11, 2020, 02:51:02 PM
Quote from: Nth syd bear on October 10, 2020, 09:21:32 PM
@Xen or anyone.. madness has got me today.
I switched from tensor ATG 5.75 Back to Indy forged hollows obviously weight difference is a fair bit
Im  thinking the titanium indys might be a nice in between?

Are the Indy titanium  worth the extra $$



If weight matters to you, always go with a TI option (tho on Thunders I feel it's waster as the hollow lites are great).

What are you trying to to achieve by going back to Indy? I recently did the opposite and went from the super heavy Mid-indy back to ATGs and while I miss the lower height of the Indy, I didn't miss it's weight...at all...and still prefer the ATG turn of Indy; TI or Hollow-forged indys (53.5mm) still seem to be the sweet spot, especially the TI forged.

Funny how everyone is waaaah trucks are too tall now after bitching about getting wheel bite for days so now we're seeing smaller wheels and lower trucks (indys at least, ACE and thunder been low...I wonder if their mindy is to chase ACE?) making a comeback...been seeing a huge influx of non-f4 49mm spit wheels around.

If I'm riding big wheels and want a light truck that turns: ATG
If I'm riding small wheels and want a light truck that turns: Thunder
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nth syd bear on October 11, 2020, 05:40:59 PM
Quote from: Xen on October 11, 2020, 02:51:02 PM
Quote from: Nth syd bear on October 10, 2020, 09:21:32 PM
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@Xen or anyone.. madness has got me today.
I switched from tensor ATG 5.75 Back to Indy forged hollows obviously weight difference is a fair bit
Im  thinking the titanium indys might be a nice in between?

Are the Indy titanium  worth the extra $$


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If weight matters to you, always go with a TI option (tho on Thunders I feel it's waster as the hollow lites are great).

What are you trying to to achieve by going back to Indy? I recently did the opposite and went from the super heavy Mid-indy back to ATGs and while I miss the lower height of the Indy, I didn't miss it's weight...at all...and still prefer the ATG turn of Indy; TI or Hollow-forged indys (53.5mm) still seem to be the sweet spot, especially the TI forged.

Funny how everyone is waaaah trucks are too tall now after bitching about getting wheel bite for days so now we're seeing smaller wheels and lower trucks (indys at least, ACE and thunder been low...I wonder if their mindy is to chase ACE?) making a comeback...been seeing a huge influx of non-f4 49mm spit wheels around.

If I'm riding big wheels and want a light truck that turns: ATG
If I'm riding small wheels and want a light truck that turns: Thunder
I've skated ATG's for about 6 months .
 I find flip tricks easier with forged indys and indys they just feel like home sweet home
(Look a lot better too. But whatever)

I think ATG's are really good I just prefer skating flatground with indys
wether its the weight or familiarity. 
But I'm surprised I actually get tired quicker skating 149 indys than ATG's..

Ti indys are about $140 Aussie.. not cheap
 Tbh I think I just want some to encourage my further spending this weekend

Thx

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 11, 2020, 06:35:48 PM
I flip better on lower trucks, and prefer the center of gravity of them. The Indy mids are really nice but heavy AF...

Riding them with 51mm spit tabs and a really mellow kick plan b board...not what I'm used to at all (usually steep, 53mm and ATGs), quite the polar opposites.

These lower Indy really make me want to check out the next ACE rev...a lighter ACE/better QC would be on point.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 11, 2020, 06:49:00 PM
I can't see Ace worrying about weight.....isn't it a deceptively low truck with a steep pop?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 11, 2020, 07:04:33 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 11, 2020, 06:49:00 PM
I can't see Ace worrying about weight.....isn't it a deceptively low truck with a steep pop?

Yeah, for a 52mm truck it doesn't act like it, that's part of the beauty of them (and Theeve, which are 52mm no matter what they say...side by side to my ACE and mindys they all line up.

I worry about weight =( tired old legs :P
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on October 11, 2020, 10:15:43 PM
Quote from: Xen on October 11, 2020, 07:04:33 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 11, 2020, 06:49:00 PM
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I can't see Ace worrying about weight.....isn't it a deceptively low truck with a steep pop?
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Yeah, for a 52mm truck it doesn't act like it, that's part of the beauty of them (and Theeve, which are 52mm no matter what they say...side by side to my ACE and mindys they all line up.

I worry about weight =( tired old legs :P

I did see somewhere that Indy is planning on releasing hollow and Ti mids next summer.

I had planned on getting mids when they came out, but picked up the Ti ones while waiting - and after about 5 sessions I massively sprained my foot. I’ve been out for 5 weeks and still have 1 to 3 to go.  Looks like i can wait until next summer. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 11, 2020, 10:37:12 PM
Yeah, it's crossed my mind to just quit skating until they make a truck that's right for ME......

Get well soon....you can still obsesses over trucks in the meantime...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 12, 2020, 09:21:05 AM
Does indy still/did Indy ever sell replacement forged plates? I swear I remember seeing them but now I have no idea.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on October 12, 2020, 09:41:08 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on October 12, 2020, 09:21:05 AM
Does indy still/did Indy ever sell replacement forged plates? I swear I remember seeing them but now I have no idea.

I remember seeing them in the past as well. About a year ago I was looking for them online, but they seemed to disappear.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on October 12, 2020, 09:46:37 AM
I set up some 169's on Ace baseplates recently and while the turn was great, the whole set-up was just way too heavy for me. I don't think I can do big boat board set-ups anymore. Putting back on the 44 hangers that are ground down quite a bit and some 54mm wheels it feels really light and back to normal. I do miss having that huge amount of hanger to grind with though. 9"+ wide trucks I can tuck my knees and grind/slash both trucks on coping frontside and flow back into the transition all in one motion and it feels amazing. I get sketched out trying that on these skinny 44's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 12, 2020, 10:33:32 AM
Quote from: backinaction on October 11, 2020, 10:15:43 PM
Quote from: Xen on October 11, 2020, 07:04:33 PM
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I can't see Ace worrying about weight.....isn't it a deceptively low truck with a steep pop?
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Yeah, for a 52mm truck it doesn't act like it, that's part of the beauty of them (and Theeve, which are 52mm no matter what they say...side by side to my ACE and mindys they all line up.

I worry about weight =( tired old legs :P
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I did see somewhere that Indy is planning on releasing hollow and Ti mids next summer.

I had planned on getting mids when they came out, but picked up the Ti ones while waiting - and after about 5 sessions I massively sprained my foot. I’ve been out for 5 weeks and still have 1 to 3 to go.  Looks like i can wait until next summer. 

Aw man, that sucks...I'm just getting over a minor ankle tweak (still no clue what happened), I can cruise around and slappy but flicking anything is a no go...even pushing aggravates it...it would probably explode if I tried to ollie.

If you have TI indys you're not missing anything except 1.5mm of height difference, hardly noticeable...but the weight is...the new mids come in 10g heavier than the standards of the same size due to either a beefier hanger or the inverted pin assembly (which is pretty much meh).

I slapped the mid hanger onto my forged plates for a bit of weight reduction, dropping them down to 50.5mm (using ACE low bushings)...gonna switch it up and go back to 5.6 TI Ventures since the board I'm on has super mellow kicks....and put the Indys (with cast plate) on an Anti-Hero
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on October 12, 2020, 10:37:35 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on October 12, 2020, 09:46:37 AM
I set up some 169's on Ace baseplates recently and while the turn was great, the whole set-up was just way too heavy for me. I don't think I can do big boat board set-ups anymore. Putting back on the 44 hangers that are ground down quite a bit and some 54mm wheels it feels really light and back to normal. I do miss having that huge amount of hanger to grind with though. 9"+ wide trucks I can tuck my knees and grind/slash both trucks on coping frontside and flow back into the transition all in one motion and it feels amazing. I get sketched out trying that on these skinny 44's.

Just out of curiosity, what do the Ace baseplates do that Indy baseplates don’t? I’ve seen a few people mention this combo but I’ve never tried it so I don’t know the reasoning. Is it a height thing?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on October 12, 2020, 12:01:52 PM
Hey pals, I am looking to try some riptide pivot cups. They are currently hard to find in Europe. Found only these on eBay..  But would rather support a local shop somewhere.
Does all riptide's fit in Indy's?

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Riptide-WFB-Pivot-Cups-96a-Boosted-Skateboards/283908180538?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20161006002618%26meid%3Dd63ad54e636a4898a1f87b147a44cdff%26pid%3D100694%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D26%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D273996731748%26itm%3D283908180538%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2386202%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic&_trksid=p2386202.c100694.m4598 (https://www.ebay.de/itm/Riptide-WFB-Pivot-Cups-96a-Boosted-Skateboards/283908180538?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20161006002618%26meid%3Dd63ad54e636a4898a1f87b147a44cdff%26pid%3D100694%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D26%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D273996731748%26itm%3D283908180538%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2386202%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic&_trksid=p2386202.c100694.m4598)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on October 12, 2020, 12:24:12 PM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on October 12, 2020, 10:37:35 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on October 12, 2020, 09:46:37 AM
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I set up some 169's on Ace baseplates recently and while the turn was great, the whole set-up was just way too heavy for me. I don't think I can do big boat board set-ups anymore. Putting back on the 44 hangers that are ground down quite a bit and some 54mm wheels it feels really light and back to normal. I do miss having that huge amount of hanger to grind with though. 9"+ wide trucks I can tuck my knees and grind/slash both trucks on coping frontside and flow back into the transition all in one motion and it feels amazing. I get sketched out trying that on these skinny 44's.
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Just out of curiosity, what do the Ace baseplates do that Indy baseplates don’t? I’ve seen a few people mention this combo but I’ve never tried it so I don’t know the reasoning. Is it a height thing?

It turns the geo from Indy to Ace so you get a better turn than using Indy baseplates. I originally tried this a year or so ago with 159 hangers since Ace doesn't offer an 8.75" wide truck. Works great, just make sure you use Ace or Krux bottom bushings so the hanger sits properly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 12, 2020, 01:05:58 PM
I put my trucks on switch and now I'm wicked frickin bummed ked
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on October 12, 2020, 01:13:58 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on October 12, 2020, 12:24:12 PM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on October 12, 2020, 10:37:35 AM
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Quote from: Diocletian on October 12, 2020, 09:46:37 AM
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I set up some 169's on Ace baseplates recently and while the turn was great, the whole set-up was just way too heavy for me. I don't think I can do big boat board set-ups anymore. Putting back on the 44 hangers that are ground down quite a bit and some 54mm wheels it feels really light and back to normal. I do miss having that huge amount of hanger to grind with though. 9"+ wide trucks I can tuck my knees and grind/slash both trucks on coping frontside and flow back into the transition all in one motion and it feels amazing. I get sketched out trying that on these skinny 44's.
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Just out of curiosity, what do the Ace baseplates do that Indy baseplates don’t? I’ve seen a few people mention this combo but I’ve never tried it so I don’t know the reasoning. Is it a height thing?
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It turns the geo from Indy to Ace so you get a better turn than using Indy baseplates. I originally tried this a year or so ago with 159 hangers since Ace doesn't offer an 8.75" wide truck. Works great, just make sure you use Ace or Krux bottom bushings so the hanger sits properly.

Interesting, thanks for the info! I did that with a pair of Krux (put them on Indy baseplates) to improve the turn, which worked well. Will have to try the Ace thing!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 12, 2020, 02:48:20 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on October 12, 2020, 12:01:52 PM
Hey pals, I am looking to try some riptide pivot cups. They are currently hard to find in Europe. Found only these on eBay..  But would rather support a local shop somewhere.
Does all riptide's fit in Indy's?

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Riptide-WFB-Pivot-Cups-96a-Boosted-Skateboards/283908180538?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20161006002618%26meid%3Dd63ad54e636a4898a1f87b147a44cdff%26pid%3D100694%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D26%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D273996731748%26itm%3D283908180538%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2386202%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic&_trksid=p2386202.c100694.m4598 (https://www.ebay.de/itm/Riptide-WFB-Pivot-Cups-96a-Boosted-Skateboards/283908180538?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20161006002618%26meid%3Dd63ad54e636a4898a1f87b147a44cdff%26pid%3D100694%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D26%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D273996731748%26itm%3D283908180538%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2386202%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic&_trksid=p2386202.c100694.m4598)

Not sure if the two would cancel each other out.....but consider a longboard shop....they give a shit about pivot cups....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on October 13, 2020, 02:39:12 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 12, 2020, 02:48:20 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on October 12, 2020, 12:01:52 PM
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Hey pals, I am looking to try some riptide pivot cups. They are currently hard to find in Europe. Found only these on eBay..  But would rather support a local shop somewhere.
Does all riptide's fit in Indy's?

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Riptide-WFB-Pivot-Cups-96a-Boosted-Skateboards/283908180538?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20161006002618%26meid%3Dd63ad54e636a4898a1f87b147a44cdff%26pid%3D100694%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D26%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D273996731748%26itm%3D283908180538%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2386202%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic&_trksid=p2386202.c100694.m4598 (https://www.ebay.de/itm/Riptide-WFB-Pivot-Cups-96a-Boosted-Skateboards/283908180538?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20161006002618%26meid%3Dd63ad54e636a4898a1f87b147a44cdff%26pid%3D100694%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D26%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D273996731748%26itm%3D283908180538%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2386202%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic&_trksid=p2386202.c100694.m4598)
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Not sure if the two would cancel each other out.....but consider a longboard shop....they give a shit about pivot cups....

I just found one pair at a old school skateshop which also sells copers and lappers and all that stuff I heard in fairytales from the 80s. Hyped!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on October 13, 2020, 02:56:50 AM
Anyone ride Thunders with conical top, barrel bottom instead of the stock conical top and bottom?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on October 13, 2020, 04:18:48 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on October 13, 2020, 02:56:50 AM
Anyone ride Thunders with conical top, barrel bottom instead of the stock conical top and bottom?

When I ride Thunders I throw Venture bushings in. As long as you have the right duro you like it works pretty well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on October 13, 2020, 04:29:01 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on October 13, 2020, 02:56:50 AM
Anyone ride Thunders with conical top, barrel bottom instead of the stock conical top and bottom?
i did for a little less than a year, the double conical style was too twitchy to me.

ace bottom/bones hard top with shaved plastic bit/flat washers
ace bottom/stock 90a top shaved/flat washers

these both worked for me and created a deadzone before the responsive turn hit. i was running bigger wheels than i should have (53s on a 51mm tall truck) but the wheelbite became a lot more manageable.

the "negative" is that the deadzone feel only fully lasts as long as it takes the ace bushing to break in. the only truck that stays stable after the bottom gets blown out is venture.

definitely would recommend trying it out in your thunders though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 13, 2020, 05:18:14 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on October 13, 2020, 02:56:50 AM
Anyone ride Thunders with conical top, barrel bottom instead of the stock conical top and bottom?

I put Indy bushings in thunders for one of the nephews. They definitely did not turn at all

Maybe if you chop the top? Or have the original top it would work?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: juniormint on October 13, 2020, 08:06:08 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on October 13, 2020, 02:56:50 AM
Anyone ride Thunders with conical top, barrel bottom instead of the stock conical top and bottom?

I‘ve been running a 95 doh doh barrel bottom on my 151s. Had to shave the edges down to get them to fit the stock bottom washer though. Works pretty well if you want to knock back the twitch a bit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ultrabra on October 13, 2020, 09:16:20 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on October 13, 2020, 02:56:50 AM
Anyone ride Thunders with conical top, barrel bottom instead of the stock conical top and bottom?

Ace bottom and stock top for me. Feels gooood.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on October 13, 2020, 09:22:51 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on October 13, 2020, 02:56:50 AM
Anyone ride Thunders with conical top, barrel bottom instead of the stock conical top and bottom?
Stock Thunder top, Krux barrel bushing on the bottom.

Slows down the twitchiness and wheelbite of Thunders and feels like a turnier Venture.

Perfect for medium-med/loose trucks, don’t do this if you like your trucks wobbly loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on October 13, 2020, 10:27:39 AM
Ok did not expect so many detailed responses but thanks guys.

I asked because my shop only has conical + barrel ones in stock, didn't know how deep the truck bushing rabbit hole went down
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on October 13, 2020, 11:00:07 AM
Quote from: Banned from the room on October 13, 2020, 05:18:14 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on October 13, 2020, 02:56:50 AM
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Anyone ride Thunders with conical top, barrel bottom instead of the stock conical top and bottom?
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I put Indy bushings in thunders for one of the nephews. They definitely did not turn at all

Maybe if you chop the top? Or have the original top it would work?

I buy the aftermarket indy bushings and throw them in with the washers they come with.

Worked great and turn better, more stable too.

I've done it twice now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Shuh on October 13, 2020, 11:08:36 AM
Yo thunders new team mold has changed, 147,148,149 is now 50mm axle height

Only 151 remains 52mm and 161 is at 53mm.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Road Dawg on October 13, 2020, 11:21:42 AM
Quote from: Shuh on October 13, 2020, 11:08:36 AM
Yo thunders new team mold has changed, 147,148,149 is now 50mm axle height

Only 151 remains 52mm and 161 is at 53mm.

If so this changes everything. I've always thought 148's would be perfect at 147 height.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Shuh on October 13, 2020, 11:28:36 AM
Quote from: Road Dawg on October 13, 2020, 11:21:42 AM
Quote from: Shuh on October 13, 2020, 11:08:36 AM
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Yo thunders new team mold has changed, 147,148,149 is now 50mm axle height

Only 151 remains 52mm and 161 is at 53mm.
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If so this changes everything. I've always thought 148's would be perfect at 147 height.
Dam I sort of want to get 149 teams again even if I wheelbite
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Road Dawg on October 13, 2020, 11:29:46 AM
Quote from: Shuh on October 13, 2020, 11:28:36 AM
Quote from: Road Dawg on October 13, 2020, 11:21:42 AM
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Quote from: Shuh on October 13, 2020, 11:08:36 AM
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Yo thunders new team mold has changed, 147,148,149 is now 50mm axle height

Only 151 remains 52mm and 161 is at 53mm.
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If so this changes everything. I've always thought 148's would be perfect at 147 height.
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Dam I sort of want to get 149 teams again even if I wheelbite

Where did you hear this? Dp you know when they're coming out?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on October 13, 2020, 11:31:37 AM
Quote from: Road Dawg on October 13, 2020, 11:29:46 AM
Quote from: Shuh on October 13, 2020, 11:28:36 AM
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Quote from: Road Dawg on October 13, 2020, 11:21:42 AM
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Quote from: Shuh on October 13, 2020, 11:08:36 AM
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Yo thunders new team mold has changed, 147,148,149 is now 50mm axle height

Only 151 remains 52mm and 161 is at 53mm.
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If so this changes everything. I've always thought 148's would be perfect at 147 height.
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Dam I sort of want to get 149 teams again even if I wheelbite
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Where did you hear this? Dp you know when they're coming out?


https://www.thundertrucks.com/sizing/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on October 13, 2020, 11:36:57 AM
Its on their instagram too... Its odd that they would change such
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 13, 2020, 11:42:10 AM
Super curious about 161s...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on October 13, 2020, 12:08:20 PM
they heard we want lower trucks
or its to get out of the ace vs mindy debate
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Road Dawg on October 13, 2020, 12:19:36 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on October 13, 2020, 11:36:57 AM
Its on their instagram too... Its odd that they would change such

They aren't giving straight answers on their Instagram post for this. They claim the 50mm measurement was taken from the 147 but the 161 are still 52mm. The 148 and 149 are also 52mm but no word if they changed those. I don't trust the new chart they came out with because they've been inaccurate before.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on October 13, 2020, 12:29:45 PM
My guess is that their production is highly inconsistent, high tolerances or just shitty QC, if any at all.
Hence why they dont provide a good answer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 13, 2020, 01:04:39 PM
Quote from: Road Dawg on October 13, 2020, 12:19:36 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on October 13, 2020, 11:36:57 AM
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Its on their instagram too... Its odd that they would change such
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They aren't giving straight answers on their Instagram post for this. They claim the 50mm measurement was taken from the 147 but the 161 are still 52mm. The 148 and 149 are also 52mm but no word if they changed those. I don't trust the new chart they came out with because they've been inaccurate before.
Quote from: Vintagebody on October 13, 2020, 11:36:57 AM
Its on their instagram too... Its odd that they would change such

And page 181 of this thread...

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3385915#msg3385915
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on October 13, 2020, 01:07:26 PM
Quote from: off on October 13, 2020, 12:08:20 PM
they heard we want lower trucks
or its to get out of the ace vs mindy debate
who wants lower trucks?
thunder used to make lows and no one bought them. thunders should all be 52mm at axle imo. shorter than an indy and venture high.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Road Dawg on October 13, 2020, 01:39:12 PM
I DM'ed them on Instagram. Asked if the 148 & 149 height changed from 52mm to 50mm. This is what I was told: "Nope, sorry there was a typo on our updated size chart. The 148, 149 and 151 are still 52mm"

Sorry don't know how to post a screenshot
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crabby_Bastard on October 13, 2020, 01:56:19 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on October 13, 2020, 02:56:50 AM
Anyone ride Thunders with conical top, barrel bottom instead of the stock conical top and bottom?

I rode barrel bottoms on 147s because they are lower. It allowed me to have loose trucks with a little more stability/slightly less wheel bite. For 148 and up I ride stock bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on October 13, 2020, 02:51:04 PM
How are you going to have a critical typo on a chart that has less than 20 numbers on it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 13, 2020, 03:28:19 PM
Quote from: pointandclick on October 13, 2020, 01:07:26 PM
Quote from: off on October 13, 2020, 12:08:20 PM
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they heard we want lower trucks
or its to get out of the ace vs mindy debate
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who wants lower trucks?
thunder used to make lows and no one bought them. thunders should all be 52mm at axle imo. shorter than an indy and venture high.

Mids are the new lo, bro. ;)

Seriously no idea where the notion of people wanting lower trucks again is coming from, except maybe in Indys case being 55mm and people wanting a non-forged Indy that isn't 55mm (I'm not a fan of 55mm indys).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Shuh on October 13, 2020, 05:19:58 PM
Quote from: Twanked n Danked on October 13, 2020, 11:31:37 AM
Quote from: Road Dawg on October 13, 2020, 11:29:46 AM
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Quote from: Shuh on October 13, 2020, 11:28:36 AM
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Quote from: Road Dawg on October 13, 2020, 11:21:42 AM
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Quote from: Shuh on October 13, 2020, 11:08:36 AM
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Yo thunders new team mold has changed, 147,148,149 is now 50mm axle height

Only 151 remains 52mm and 161 is at 53mm.
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If so this changes everything. I've always thought 148's would be perfect at 147 height.
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Dam I sort of want to get 149 teams again even if I wheelbite
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Where did you hear this? Dp you know when they're coming out?
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https://www.thundertrucks.com/sizing/

False alarm guys, it's still 52MM. Deluxe ad team was probably high when they did that statement.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on October 13, 2020, 05:24:18 PM
Quote from: Shuh on October 13, 2020, 05:19:58 PM

False alarm guys, it's still 52MM. Deluxe ad team was probably high when they did that statement.

I saw an interview with Gerwer (9 club?) where he was talking about Thunder trucks and he quoted the wrong heights.   I think there are a lot of folks that just don't pay attention nearly as much as Slap.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on October 13, 2020, 05:33:56 PM
Quote from: backinaction on October 13, 2020, 05:24:18 PM
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False alarm guys, it's still 52MM. Deluxe ad team was probably high when they did that statement.
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I saw an interview with Gerwer (9 club?) where he was talking about Thunder trucks and he quoted the wrong heights.   I think there are a lot of folks that just don't pay attention nearly as much as Slap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pAZDEclOiY

start at 3:40
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on October 15, 2020, 12:35:17 PM
Curious about trying 8.5 on 159
Comments?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on October 15, 2020, 03:01:17 PM
Quote from: moonordie on October 15, 2020, 12:35:17 PM
Curious about trying 8.5 on 159
Comments?
looked cool, felt goofy for me.
tried thunder 151s and indy forged hollow 159s. both were good, but just too much truck for me for a regular board.

good for a slappy board or for skating a park.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on October 16, 2020, 08:00:17 AM
Quote from: backinaction on October 13, 2020, 05:24:18 PM
Quote from: Shuh on October 13, 2020, 05:19:58 PM
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False alarm guys, it's still 52MM. Deluxe ad team was probably high when they did that statement.
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I saw an interview with Gerwer (9 club?) where he was talking about Thunder trucks and he quoted the wrong heights.   I think there are a lot of folks that just don't pay attention nearly as much as Slap.

I get that, but why release technical specs if you’re not going to bother double checking your numbers?? When I saw that advert from Thunder I knew people that people were going to be so confused. Between Tactics inaccurate charts and truck companies own inaccurate charts, the amount of misinformation out there on truck measurements is laughable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on October 17, 2020, 05:41:22 PM
where can i get thinner axle nuts?
i wanna use more spacers to align the edge of the wheels to the deck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 17, 2020, 07:50:51 PM
Quote from: anon on October 17, 2020, 05:41:22 PM
where can i get thinner axle nuts?
i wanna use more spacers to align the edge of the wheels to the deck

https://www.acerracing.com/collections/titanium-skate-hardware/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on October 17, 2020, 09:34:59 PM
Quote from: Xen on October 17, 2020, 07:50:51 PM
Quote from: anon on October 17, 2020, 05:41:22 PM
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where can i get thinner axle nuts?
i wanna use more spacers to align the edge of the wheels to the deck
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https://www.acerracing.com/collections/titanium-skate-hardware/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces
this is as ridiculous as paying $14 for pivot cups... i might just do it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 17, 2020, 11:43:20 PM
Thank god the hardware only comes in 1" and up....otherwise I would have dropped $50 on parts....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on October 18, 2020, 08:45:54 AM
I got them for my setup with TiH board. Axle nuts and kingpin nuts. Theeve mounting hardware. Stupid light for a 8.25.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 18, 2020, 08:55:55 AM
Could have just been me...but one thing I noticed about the Tih's is they shredded axel nuts. I'm guessing harder material....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Digital Rasta on October 18, 2020, 09:30:46 AM
Lifelong Indy rider lookin for a pair of Thunders or Ventures, which one would you guys recommend? I'm thinking Venture becuase I don't want the wheelbase any longer on the setup I am putting together. Help me out dudes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on October 18, 2020, 09:49:58 AM
Quote from: Digital Rasta on October 18, 2020, 09:30:46 AM
Lifelong Indy rider lookin for a pair of Thunders or Ventures, which one would you guys recommend? I'm thinking Venture becuase I don't want the wheelbase any longer on the setup I am putting together. Help me out dudes

Venture has the longer wheelbase.

I would say it comes down to how you like your turn. They are both stable trucks, but Thunder has a very sharp almost twitchy (responsive) turn where Venture has a more broad flowy turn.

Venture baseplate gives your wheels more clearance on nose/tail slides.

Both fine, be happy with whatever you get.



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on October 18, 2020, 10:14:10 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 18, 2020, 08:55:55 AM
Could have just been me...but one thing I noticed about the Tih's is they shredded axel nuts. I'm guessing harder material....
Since it's all the same material, then that seems logical that it would be harder. To be honest, I used grindking rims (the ones with the endcap) on my TiH to keep from messing up the threads from primo landings.  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 18, 2020, 10:48:53 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 17, 2020, 11:43:20 PM
Thank god the hardware only comes in 1" and up....otherwise I would have dropped $50 on parts....

@j....soy.....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Titanium-Hardware-Skateboard-Truck-Mounting-bolts-7-8in-21-5mm-Counter-Sunk/113802288722?hash=item1a7f251e52:g:~9IAAOSwW2tdGG6E

Looks like the nuts are out of stock these days...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 18, 2020, 11:50:20 AM
I'll just keep making my way through the box of silverados I have...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on October 18, 2020, 08:03:17 PM
Quote from: Beeker on October 18, 2020, 09:49:58 AM
Quote from: Digital Rasta on October 18, 2020, 09:30:46 AM
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Lifelong Indy rider lookin for a pair of Thunders or Ventures, which one would you guys recommend? I'm thinking Venture becuase I don't want the wheelbase any longer on the setup I am putting together. Help me out dudes
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Venture has the longer wheelbase.

I would say it comes down to how you like your turn. They are both stable trucks, but Thunder has a very sharp almost twitchy (responsive) turn where Venture has a more broad flowy turn.

Venture baseplate gives your wheels more clearance on nose/tail slides.

Both fine, be happy with whatever you get.

Ventures (especially the forged baseplate ones) widen your WB the most of any truck. Thunder cast are probably the closest to Indys while being much lighter and lower. Thunder forged goes even lower but extend the WB slightly more than cast.

Thunder Cast / Titanium- +3.125"
Thunder Forged - +3.25"
Venture Cast - +3.25"
Venture Forged - +3.4 - 3.5"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on October 18, 2020, 09:13:39 PM
Anyone know where I can buy just Thunder cast baseplates? I have Ti Lites and used risers today and it was actually noticeably better everything- pop, flick, all that jazz. Might try my cast 5.6 again but like the Thunder turn better. If I get the team plates I don't have to use risers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 09:18:49 AM
I'm sure this has been mentioned a billion times, but what are good replacement aftermarket bushings for thunders? I don't like the bones bushings btw. My stock ones are starting to crack. If you guys could list any skateshops who has thunder bushings for sale online (not the dlx supercush as those are for ventures). I heard the independent conical bushings work too? Just want to confirm if they're the same size
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on October 19, 2020, 09:22:04 AM
Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 09:18:49 AM
I'm sure this has been mentioned a billion times, but what are good replacement aftermarket bushings for thunders? I don't like the bones bushings btw. My stock ones are starting to crack. If you guys could list any skateshops who has thunder bushings for sale online (not the dlx supercush as those are for ventures). I heard the independent conical bushings work too? Just want to confirm if they're the same size
WTF...Why don’t you do that legwork yourself, you lazy ass bitch?

There’s like 3 or 4 big online sites, start there. Hold your hand, foh.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on October 19, 2020, 09:31:13 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on October 19, 2020, 09:22:04 AM
Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 09:18:49 AM
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I'm sure this has been mentioned a billion times, but what are good replacement aftermarket bushings for thunders? I don't like the bones bushings btw. My stock ones are starting to crack. If you guys could list any skateshops who has thunder bushings for sale online (not the dlx supercush as those are for ventures). I heard the independent conical bushings work too? Just want to confirm if they're the same size
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WTF...Why don’t you do that legwork yourself, you lazy ass bitch?

There’s like 3 or 4 big online sites, start there. Hold your hand, foh.
Yo, take a chill pill dude.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 10:05:59 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on October 19, 2020, 09:22:04 AM
Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 09:18:49 AM
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I'm sure this has been mentioned a billion times, but what are good replacement aftermarket bushings for thunders? I don't like the bones bushings btw. My stock ones are starting to crack. If you guys could list any skateshops who has thunder bushings for sale online (not the dlx supercush as those are for ventures). I heard the independent conical bushings work too? Just want to confirm if they're the same size
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WTF...Why don’t you do that legwork yourself, you lazy ass bitch?

There’s like 3 or 4 big online sites, start there. Hold your hand, foh.

First of all, I'm aware of the big online sites. CCS or Tactics don't have any aftermarket thunder bushings so that's why I'm relying someone on SLAP to provide a local skateshop who has any in stock. I'd rather support a local shop anyway so fuck your hate and stop being a bitch on the internet. This thread is in the shoes & gear section. I'm fucking here for information on gear lmao
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on October 19, 2020, 10:13:02 AM
Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 10:05:59 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on October 19, 2020, 09:22:04 AM
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Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 09:18:49 AM
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I'm sure this has been mentioned a billion times, but what are good replacement aftermarket bushings for thunders? I don't like the bones bushings btw. My stock ones are starting to crack. If you guys could list any skateshops who has thunder bushings for sale online (not the dlx supercush as those are for ventures). I heard the independent conical bushings work too? Just want to confirm if they're the same size
[close]
WTF...Why don’t you do that legwork yourself, you lazy ass bitch?

There’s like 3 or 4 big online sites, start there. Hold your hand, foh.
[close]

First of all, I'm aware of the big online sites. CCS or Tactics don't have any aftermarket thunder bushings so that's why I'm relying someone on SLAP to provide a local skateshop who has any in stock. I'd rather support a local shop anyway so fuck your hate and stop being a bitch on the internet. This thread is in the shoes & gear section. I'm fucking here for information on gear lmao
Google bitch.

Hey, you guys, find me some clear grizzly grip tape, 11” wide. Please list them in alphabetical order by price, thanks I’ll wait.

I just typed “thunder bushings” into the url bar on my phone while is sit here shitting, and skate warehouse has them. You’re welcome.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on October 19, 2020, 10:34:28 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on October 19, 2020, 10:13:02 AM
Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 10:05:59 AM
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Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on October 19, 2020, 09:22:04 AM
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Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 09:18:49 AM
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I'm sure this has been mentioned a billion times, but what are good replacement aftermarket bushings for thunders? I don't like the bones bushings btw. My stock ones are starting to crack. If you guys could list any skateshops who has thunder bushings for sale online (not the dlx supercush as those are for ventures). I heard the independent conical bushings work too? Just want to confirm if they're the same size
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WTF...Why don’t you do that legwork yourself, you lazy ass bitch?

There’s like 3 or 4 big online sites, start there. Hold your hand, foh.
[close]

First of all, I'm aware of the big online sites. CCS or Tactics don't have any aftermarket thunder bushings so that's why I'm relying someone on SLAP to provide a local skateshop who has any in stock. I'd rather support a local shop anyway so fuck your hate and stop being a bitch on the internet. This thread is in the shoes & gear section. I'm fucking here for information on gear lmao
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Google bitch.

Hey, you guys, find me some clear grizzly grip tape, 11” wide. Please list them in alphabetical order by price, thanks I’ll wait.

I just typed “thunder bushings” into the url bar on my phone while is sit here shitting, and skate warehouse has them. You’re welcome.


Kook alert. Smoke a bowl and calm your mantits down.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on October 19, 2020, 11:06:52 AM
Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 09:18:49 AM
I'm sure this has been mentioned a billion times, but what are good replacement aftermarket bushings for thunders? I don't like the bones bushings btw. My stock ones are starting to crack. If you guys could list any skateshops who has thunder bushings for sale online (not the dlx supercush as those are for ventures). I heard the independent conical bushings work too? Just want to confirm if they're the same size
Deluxe supercush or thunder rebuild kit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on October 19, 2020, 11:27:24 AM
Quote from: Twanked n Danked on October 19, 2020, 10:34:28 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on October 19, 2020, 10:13:02 AM
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Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 10:05:59 AM
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Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on October 19, 2020, 09:22:04 AM
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Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 09:18:49 AM
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I'm sure this has been mentioned a billion times, but what are good replacement aftermarket bushings for thunders? I don't like the bones bushings btw. My stock ones are starting to crack. If you guys could list any skateshops who has thunder bushings for sale online (not the dlx supercush as those are for ventures). I heard the independent conical bushings work too? Just want to confirm if they're the same size
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WTF...Why don’t you do that legwork yourself, you lazy ass bitch?

There’s like 3 or 4 big online sites, start there. Hold your hand, foh.
[close]

First of all, I'm aware of the big online sites. CCS or Tactics don't have any aftermarket thunder bushings so that's why I'm relying someone on SLAP to provide a local skateshop who has any in stock. I'd rather support a local shop anyway so fuck your hate and stop being a bitch on the internet. This thread is in the shoes & gear section. I'm fucking here for information on gear lmao
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Google bitch.

Hey, you guys, find me some clear grizzly grip tape, 11” wide. Please list them in alphabetical order by price, thanks I’ll wait.

I just typed “thunder bushings” into the url bar on my phone while is sit here shitting, and skate warehouse has them. You’re welcome.
[close]


Kook alert. Smoke a bowl and calm your mantits down.
I remember when I was 16 and just started smoking weed, I made it my whole identity too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on October 19, 2020, 10:13:02 AM
Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 10:05:59 AM
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Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on October 19, 2020, 09:22:04 AM
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Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 09:18:49 AM
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I'm sure this has been mentioned a billion times, but what are good replacement aftermarket bushings for thunders? I don't like the bones bushings btw. My stock ones are starting to crack. If you guys could list any skateshops who has thunder bushings for sale online (not the dlx supercush as those are for ventures). I heard the independent conical bushings work too? Just want to confirm if they're the same size
[close]
WTF...Why don’t you do that legwork yourself, you lazy ass bitch?

There’s like 3 or 4 big online sites, start there. Hold your hand, foh.
[close]

First of all, I'm aware of the big online sites. CCS or Tactics don't have any aftermarket thunder bushings so that's why I'm relying someone on SLAP to provide a local skateshop who has any in stock. I'd rather support a local shop anyway so fuck your hate and stop being a bitch on the internet. This thread is in the shoes & gear section. I'm fucking here for information on gear lmao
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Google bitch.

Hey, you guys, find me some clear grizzly grip tape, 11” wide. Please list them in alphabetical order by price, thanks I’ll wait.

I just typed “thunder bushings” into the url bar on my phone while is sit here shitting, and skate warehouse has them. You’re welcome.

Thanks asshole. skate warehouse isn't a local skateshop
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 11:42:12 AM
Quote from: jay_nev on October 19, 2020, 11:06:52 AM
Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 09:18:49 AM
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I'm sure this has been mentioned a billion times, but what are good replacement aftermarket bushings for thunders? I don't like the bones bushings btw. My stock ones are starting to crack. If you guys could list any skateshops who has thunder bushings for sale online (not the dlx supercush as those are for ventures). I heard the independent conical bushings work too? Just want to confirm if they're the same size
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Deluxe supercush or thunder rebuild kit

From what I know, the supercush don't fit thunders, just ventures. If you know a shop who has the rebuild kit or just thunder bushings (no hardware), please let me know
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on October 19, 2020, 11:50:19 AM
Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on October 19, 2020, 10:13:02 AM
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Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 10:05:59 AM
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Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on October 19, 2020, 09:22:04 AM
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Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 09:18:49 AM
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I'm sure this has been mentioned a billion times, but what are good replacement aftermarket bushings for thunders? I don't like the bones bushings btw. My stock ones are starting to crack. If you guys could list any skateshops who has thunder bushings for sale online (not the dlx supercush as those are for ventures). I heard the independent conical bushings work too? Just want to confirm if they're the same size
[close]
WTF...Why don’t you do that legwork yourself, you lazy ass bitch?

There’s like 3 or 4 big online sites, start there. Hold your hand, foh.
[close]

First of all, I'm aware of the big online sites. CCS or Tactics don't have any aftermarket thunder bushings so that's why I'm relying someone on SLAP to provide a local skateshop who has any in stock. I'd rather support a local shop anyway so fuck your hate and stop being a bitch on the internet. This thread is in the shoes & gear section. I'm fucking here for information on gear lmao
[close]
Google bitch.

Hey, you guys, find me some clear grizzly grip tape, 11” wide. Please list them in alphabetical order by price, thanks I’ll wait.

I just typed “thunder bushings” into the url bar on my phone while is sit here shitting, and skate warehouse has them. You’re welcome.
[close]

Thanks asshole. skate warehouse isn't a local skateshop
You're really doing your part by supporting a local shop with your $5 bushing purchase that has almost $0 markup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on October 19, 2020, 12:19:33 PM
Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 11:42:12 AM
Quote from: jay_nev on October 19, 2020, 11:06:52 AM
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Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 09:18:49 AM
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I'm sure this has been mentioned a billion times, but what are good replacement aftermarket bushings for thunders? I don't like the bones bushings btw. My stock ones are starting to crack. If you guys could list any skateshops who has thunder bushings for sale online (not the dlx supercush as those are for ventures). I heard the independent conical bushings work too? Just want to confirm if they're the same size
[close]
Deluxe supercush or thunder rebuild kit
[close]

From what I know, the supercush don't fit thunders, just ventures. If you know a shop who has the rebuild kit or just thunder bushings (no hardware), please let me know


(https://i.ibb.co/xsSm2zx/image.png) (https://ibb.co/xsSm2zx)

https://exodusrideshop.com/products/thunder-white-skateboard-bushings-90d (https://exodusrideshop.com/products/thunder-white-skateboard-bushings-90d)
https://exodusrideshop.com/products/thunder-skateboard-bushings-100d?gclid=Cj0KCQjw8rT8BRCbARIsALWiOvSFo66a1NEIeOvSCkiNZebSFenFyiimIUQOThjfNVh-BEkH1FYe7uMaAuf3EALw_wcB (https://exodusrideshop.com/products/thunder-skateboard-bushings-100d?gclid=Cj0KCQjw8rT8BRCbARIsALWiOvSFo66a1NEIeOvSCkiNZebSFenFyiimIUQOThjfNVh-BEkH1FYe7uMaAuf3EALw_wcB)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on October 19, 2020, 01:54:15 PM
Indy conicals fit for sure. I've purchased Thunder aftermarkets in the tube and also the baggy of the rebuild kit and I find them to be decent bushings but not nicer machined quality like the Indy aftermarkets. The Indy's have a nice back to center rebound, I found the Thunders are pretty floppy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 19, 2020, 04:51:57 PM
Are the heights correct?  I've always thought bones because they are more conical would turn differently than thunder stocks....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 19, 2020, 06:04:38 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 19, 2020, 04:51:57 PM
Are the heights correct?  I've always thought bones because they are more conical would turn differently than thunder stocks....

The different brands of bushings do change the feel of the trucks, but the right bushing duro (hardness) is more important overall.  The softer the bushing the quicker the turn will be when you lean into it, but at the expense of possible wheelbite, for which risers can change this too, especially on lower trucks.

Also the use or non use of metal washers on bushings makes a difference, even with Bones bushings, but for people who want trucks looser than what they are, either get softer bushings, or cut the heads down on the top bushing and keep all the metal washers on in the usual way. 

I find that using low heads allows me to have slightly harder bushings that hold up better, but still turn easily for what I want, rather than having that mushy feeling or no stability in the trucks, or the unfortunate "wheelbite and die" option.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BpGf4tGlRyf/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 19, 2020, 07:11:11 PM
Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 11:42:12 AM
Quote from: jay_nev on October 19, 2020, 11:06:52 AM
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Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 09:18:49 AM
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I'm sure this has been mentioned a billion times, but what are good replacement aftermarket bushings for thunders? I don't like the bones bushings btw. My stock ones are starting to crack. If you guys could list any skateshops who has thunder bushings for sale online (not the dlx supercush as those are for ventures). I heard the independent conical bushings work too? Just want to confirm if they're the same size
[close]
Deluxe supercush or thunder rebuild kit
[close]

From what I know, the supercush don't fit thunders, just ventures. If you know a shop who has the rebuild kit or just thunder bushings (no hardware), please let me know

They fit indy's just fine, however, the newer [ch]indy bottom bushings are now shorter and equal to the aftermarkets (which were always shorter than stocks for whatever reason) so the supercush are just a tad, like 2mm taller than stocks...tops are the same height.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on October 19, 2020, 08:22:07 PM
So since there was a bushing feud right after I posted this and it got lost in the fray I will ask again:

Anyone know where I can buy just Thunder cast baseplates? I have Ti Lites and used risers today and it was actually noticeably better everything- pop, flick, all that jazz. Might try my cast 5.6 again but like the Thunder turn better. If I get the team plates I don't have to use risers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 19, 2020, 08:43:22 PM
nope...I don't think so..they have always been good to warranty but not to sell....I've always just wanted to buy hangers but no go.

To me team hollows and team TI's are the best trucks....make just buy a set and put the hangers on ice because thunders grind through so quickly....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: winnasoda on October 19, 2020, 08:45:10 PM
indy standards loose as shit, ride em till they crack, dont waste my time setting up i just skate skate skate
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on October 19, 2020, 09:46:30 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on October 19, 2020, 12:19:33 PM
Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 11:42:12 AM
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Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 19, 2020, 09:18:49 AM
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I'm sure this has been mentioned a billion times, but what are good replacement aftermarket bushings for thunders? I don't like the bones bushings btw. My stock ones are starting to crack. If you guys could list any skateshops who has thunder bushings for sale online (not the dlx supercush as those are for ventures). I heard the independent conical bushings work too? Just want to confirm if they're the same size
[close]
Deluxe supercush or thunder rebuild kit
[close]





From what I know, the supercush don't fit thunders, just ventures. If you know a shop who has the rebuild kit or just thunder bushings (no hardware), please let me know
[close]


(https://i.ibb.co/xsSm2zx/image.png) (https://ibb.co/xsSm2zx)

https://exodusrideshop.com/products/thunder-white-skateboard-bushings-90d (https://exodusrideshop.com/products/thunder-white-skateboard-bushings-90d)
https://exodusrideshop.com/products/thunder-skateboard-bushings-100d?gclid=Cj0KCQjw8rT8BRCbARIsALWiOvSFo66a1NEIeOvSCkiNZebSFenFyiimIUQOThjfNVh-BEkH1FYe7uMaAuf3EALw_wcB (https://exodusrideshop.com/products/thunder-skateboard-bushings-100d?gclid=Cj0KCQjw8rT8BRCbARIsALWiOvSFo66a1NEIeOvSCkiNZebSFenFyiimIUQOThjfNVh-BEkH1FYe7uMaAuf3EALw_wcB)

those rebuild kit bushings are terrible man, i ordered a pair of the reds and they were already messed up. i am currently settled (for now) with a set of the indy white bushings with no top washer and the nut loosened all the way and locked in place with krazy glue. i think i may need to try thunder 149 trucks because i often wheel bite still when turning...i can't really figure it out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on October 20, 2020, 03:23:37 AM
Just put some 97du thunder aftermarkets in my 149 team hollows after I realized supercush wouldn't fit. Supercush are great in my ventures so hope the thunder aftermarkets are just as nice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on October 20, 2020, 08:14:31 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on October 19, 2020, 08:22:07 PM
So since there was a bushing feud right after I posted this and it got lost in the fray I will ask again:

Anyone know where I can buy just Thunder cast baseplates? I have Ti Lites and used risers today and it was actually noticeably better everything- pop, flick, all that jazz. Might try my cast 5.6 again but like the Thunder turn better. If I get the team plates I don't have to use risers.
Thunder doesn’t sell baseplates by themselves. Buy new trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lou Strux on October 20, 2020, 08:22:05 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on October 20, 2020, 08:14:31 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on October 19, 2020, 08:22:07 PM
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So since there was a bushing feud right after I posted this and it got lost in the fray I will ask again:

Anyone know where I can buy just Thunder cast baseplates? I have Ti Lites and used risers today and it was actually noticeably better everything- pop, flick, all that jazz. Might try my cast 5.6 again but like the Thunder turn better. If I get the team plates I don't have to use risers.
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Thunder doesn’t sell base plates by themselves. Buy new trucks.
Or swap w/ somebody on here that wound up having to buy cast/team Thunndies when they wanted forged, bur maybe their shop didn't have them.
So many cool heads up on here.
I've got a set of used ones I was setting by for an emergency; you can have 'em as long as you don't mind tapping out some beat-ass kingpins and putting new ones in. You pay shippage & they're yours.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 20, 2020, 08:29:33 AM
I had a hard time getting out the kingpins on my last set....ended up just swapping hangers onto my old ones....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: The.Tran.Man on October 20, 2020, 10:30:02 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on October 19, 2020, 01:54:15 PM
Indy conicals fit for sure. I've purchased Thunder aftermarkets in the tube and also the baggy of the rebuild kit and I find them to be decent bushings but not nicer machined quality like the Indy aftermarkets. The Indy's have a nice back to center rebound, I found the Thunders are pretty floppy.

Thanks for the info. I will probably just try the indy conical bushings and see how that feels. I can agree with you about the floppy aspect. My back bushing feels super mushy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kevve on October 21, 2020, 06:24:31 AM
Someone running Indy 144s with 3 washers in the inside and got a caliper to measure the width?

Or just measuring the width of 2 speedrings would work too i think! Trying to figure out if i really need a set of 149 on my 8.5" and how much diffrence it is between a 149 and a spaced out 144.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 21, 2020, 06:38:37 AM
Quote from: Kevve on October 21, 2020, 06:24:31 AM
Someone running Indy 144s with 3 washers in the inside and got a caliper to measure the width?

Or just measuring the width of 2 speedrings would work too i think! Trying to figure out if i really need a set of 149 on my 8.5" and how much diffrence it is between a 149 and a spaced out 144.

I haven't seen many / any posts about the three speed rings (washers) but I have been doing that for a while, especially on new trucks, which brings the wheels out as far as possible and have the wheel nut just snug right on the end.

As you asked, I use 149s and the three speed rings with bigger wider wheels which sit flush with the 8.5 decks I ride and it works perfectly for me, but a lot of people don't want to see their wheels or like them sitting inside the deck, so although it would sit inside a bit, you could get away with doing that with 144s.

The other thing is whether or not you want a little more truck grinding room, or prefer a wider feel or a not so wide feel.

It is about 5 mm in total difference, so about 2.5 mm each side.

What size or shape wheel do you ride?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kevve on October 21, 2020, 08:50:51 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on October 21, 2020, 06:38:37 AM
Quote from: Kevve on October 21, 2020, 06:24:31 AM
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Someone running Indy 144s with 3 washers in the inside and got a caliper to measure the width?

Or just measuring the width of 2 speedrings would work too i think! Trying to figure out if i really need a set of 149 on my 8.5" and how much diffrence it is between a 149 and a spaced out 144.
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I haven't seen many / any posts about the three speed rings (washers) but I have been doing that for a while, especially on new trucks, which brings the wheels out as far as possible and have the wheel nut just snug right on the end.

As you asked, I use 149s and the three speed rings with bigger wider wheels which sit flush with the 8.5 decks I ride and it works perfectly for me, but a lot of people don't want to see their wheels or like them sitting inside the deck, so although it would sit inside a bit, you could get away with doing that with 144s.

The other thing is whether or not you want a little more truck grinding room, or prefer a wider feel or a not so wide feel.

It is about 5 mm in total difference, so about 2.5 mm each side.

What size or shape wheel do you ride?

53mm Conical fulls.
Allright so 144s plus 2 extra speedrings is more or less 149mm?
Made a noticeable diffrence after I put the 2 extra spacers in some month ago, had trouble getting the truck on the coping before.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on October 21, 2020, 09:57:30 AM
Quote from: Kevve on October 21, 2020, 08:50:51 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on October 21, 2020, 06:38:37 AM
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Quote from: Kevve on October 21, 2020, 06:24:31 AM
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Someone running Indy 144s with 3 washers in the inside and got a caliper to measure the width?

Or just measuring the width of 2 speedrings would work too i think! Trying to figure out if i really need a set of 149 on my 8.5" and how much diffrence it is between a 149 and a spaced out 144.
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I haven't seen many / any posts about the three speed rings (washers) but I have been doing that for a while, especially on new trucks, which brings the wheels out as far as possible and have the wheel nut just snug right on the end.

As you asked, I use 149s and the three speed rings with bigger wider wheels which sit flush with the 8.5 decks I ride and it works perfectly for me, but a lot of people don't want to see their wheels or like them sitting inside the deck, so although it would sit inside a bit, you could get away with doing that with 144s.

The other thing is whether or not you want a little more truck grinding room, or prefer a wider feel or a not so wide feel.

It is about 5 mm in total difference, so about 2.5 mm each side.

What size or shape wheel do you ride?
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53mm Conical fulls.
Allright so 144s plus 2 extra speedrings is more or less 149mm?
Made a noticeable diffrence after I put the 2 extra spacers in some month ago, had trouble getting the truck on the coping before.

I ride Ace 44 which are 8.35 I believe? With 3 speed rings inside of each wheels and it feels perfect with 8.5 for me, while I thought it was perfect with just 1 speed ring inside each wheel when I was riding 8.25. I prefer spitfire Classics though if I'm shoving in extra speed rings, when I tried with conical fulls, I thought it looked weird because of the wheel shape, made the gap between the wheel and the hanger very noticeable (to me at least) while the classic shape kinda hides the extra room between your bearing and your axle.

If you really want it to be exactly like 149s, maybe someone can measure exactly how wide their 149s are and then you could measure how wide your setup is, I don't have 149s anymore though, so I couldn't help you with that.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that whatever feels good is what you should ride, and I wouldn't think buying 149s would affect your skating that much. Try it with 2 speed rings, and then with 3, and whatever you like best is how you should go with it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kevve on October 21, 2020, 11:43:53 AM
Quote from: Wizard0f0dds on October 21, 2020, 09:57:30 AM
Quote from: Kevve on October 21, 2020, 08:50:51 AM
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Someone running Indy 144s with 3 washers in the inside and got a caliper to measure the width?

Or just measuring the width of 2 speedrings would work too i think! Trying to figure out if i really need a set of 149 on my 8.5" and how much diffrence it is between a 149 and a spaced out 144.
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I haven't seen many / any posts about the three speed rings (washers) but I have been doing that for a while, especially on new trucks, which brings the wheels out as far as possible and have the wheel nut just snug right on the end.

As you asked, I use 149s and the three speed rings with bigger wider wheels which sit flush with the 8.5 decks I ride and it works perfectly for me, but a lot of people don't want to see their wheels or like them sitting inside the deck, so although it would sit inside a bit, you could get away with doing that with 144s.

The other thing is whether or not you want a little more truck grinding room, or prefer a wider feel or a not so wide feel.

It is about 5 mm in total difference, so about 2.5 mm each side.

What size or shape wheel do you ride?
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53mm Conical fulls.
Allright so 144s plus 2 extra speedrings is more or less 149mm?
Made a noticeable diffrence after I put the 2 extra spacers in some month ago, had trouble getting the truck on the coping before.
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I ride Ace 44 which are 8.35 I believe? With 3 speed rings inside of each wheels and it feels perfect with 8.5 for me, while I thought it was perfect with just 1 speed ring inside each wheel when I was riding 8.25. I prefer spitfire Classics though if I'm shoving in extra speed rings, when I tried with conical fulls, I thought it looked weird because of the wheel shape, made the gap between the wheel and the hanger very noticeable (to me at least) while the classic shape kinda hides the extra room between your bearing and your axle.

If you really want it to be exactly like 149s, maybe someone can measure exactly how wide their 149s are and then you could measure how wide your setup is, I don't have 149s anymore though, so I couldn't help you with that.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that whatever feels good is what you should ride, and I wouldn't think buying 149s would affect your skating that much. Try it with 2 speed rings, and then with 3, and whatever you like best is how you should go with it.

Ye, solid advice! I Guess its more of a question out of boredom
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 21, 2020, 02:06:25 PM
Quote from: The.Tran.Man on October 20, 2020, 10:30:02 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on October 19, 2020, 01:54:15 PM
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Indy conicals fit for sure. I've purchased Thunder aftermarkets in the tube and also the baggy of the rebuild kit and I find them to be decent bushings but not nicer machined quality like the Indy aftermarkets. The Indy's have a nice back to center rebound, I found the Thunders are pretty floppy.
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Thanks for the info. I will probably just try the indy conical bushings and see how that feels. I can agree with you about the floppy aspect. My back bushing feels super mushy

Indy conicals are a tad shorter than thunder bottoms; at that point just throw in some bones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kombuch-A-Holic on October 22, 2020, 07:22:25 AM
Quote from: jay_nev on October 19, 2020, 12:19:33 PM
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I'm sure this has been mentioned a billion times, but what are good replacement aftermarket bushings for thunders? I don't like the bones bushings btw. My stock ones are starting to crack. If you guys could list any skateshops who has thunder bushings for sale online (not the dlx supercush as those are for ventures). I heard the independent conical bushings work too? Just want to confirm if they're the same size
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Deluxe supercush or thunder rebuild kit
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From what I know, the supercush don't fit thunders, just ventures. If you know a shop who has the rebuild kit or just thunder bushings (no hardware), please let me know
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https://exodusrideshop.com/products/thunder-white-skateboard-bushings-90d (https://exodusrideshop.com/products/thunder-white-skateboard-bushings-90d)
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I've spent way too much money on bushings this year experimenting. I weigh 180lbs and can tell you the black Thunder bushings are the best! I can skate them with the kingpin nut level with the threads. I've turned everyone else on to them around here of all different weights. Good luck finding some right now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sammyz on October 22, 2020, 10:43:02 PM
I swapped out my baseplate on thunder hollows. I had two different thunders, and have frankensteined a set with hollow hanger and forged baseplate...super light and low.

I have some indy hard bushings...thinking about swapping my top medium bushing with a super hard one
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 22, 2020, 11:28:30 PM
Quote from: sammyz on October 22, 2020, 10:43:02 PM
I swapped out my baseplate on thunder hollows. I had two different thunders, and have frankensteined a set with hollow hanger and forged baseplate...super light and low.

I have some indy hard bushings...thinking about swapping my top medium bushing with a super hard one

Quote from: Kevve on October 21, 2020, 08:50:51 AM

53mm Conical fulls.
Allright so 144s plus 2 extra speedrings is more or less 149mm?
Made a noticeable diffrence after I put the 2 extra spacers in some month ago, had trouble getting the truck on the coping before.

It is a lot easier to mix things up that you already have first too, before buying something new.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on October 23, 2020, 08:34:39 AM
My copious amount of BS Tailslide practice has taken its toll on my Thunder 148 Titanium. Would any Thunder Forged baseplate suffice? Nothing special with the Titanium baseplates right?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on October 23, 2020, 11:28:38 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on October 23, 2020, 08:34:39 AM
My copious amount of BS Tailslide practice has taken its toll on my Thunder 148 Titanium. Would any Thunder Forged baseplate suffice? Nothing special with the Titanium baseplates right?
the only thing titanium in them are the axles, so yeah
also, what size wheels are you riding that you're able to grind the baseplates?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on October 23, 2020, 04:55:56 PM
Quote from: anon on October 23, 2020, 11:28:38 AM
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My copious amount of BS Tailslide practice has taken its toll on my Thunder 148 Titanium. Would any Thunder Forged baseplate suffice? Nothing special with the Titanium baseplates right?
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the only thing titanium in them are the axles, so yeah
also, what size wheels are you riding that you're able to grind the baseplates?

52mm Tablets, the ledge I skate has a pretty sharp edge that digs into the trucks.

Edit: Thunder Team standard truck, I know the bushing color corresponds to the truck size.
145 - yellow?
147 - blue?
148 - orange?
149 - green?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 23, 2020, 10:40:10 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on October 23, 2020, 04:55:56 PM

Edit: Thunder Team standard truck, I know the bushing color corresponds to the truck size.
145 - yellow?
147 - blue?
148 - orange?
149 - green?

I could be wrong, but the most recent basic team editions (polished) Thunder trucks here all seemed to have blue bushings, or at least the sizes I have looked at 147, 149, 151 and 161s.

The previous lot / older stock all had yellow bushings - sets of 147 and 149 on boards I have.

Another person I know with older 148s had orange bushings.

Similar to Indy bushings, all the stock bushings regardless of colour are 90 duro, but the aftermarket bushings are colour coded to hardness.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on October 24, 2020, 12:06:43 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on October 23, 2020, 10:40:10 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on October 23, 2020, 04:55:56 PM
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Edit: Thunder Team standard truck, I know the bushing color corresponds to the truck size.
145 - yellow?
147 - blue?
148 - orange?
149 - green?
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I could be wrong, but the most recent basic team editions (polished) Thunder trucks here all seemed to have blue bushings, or at least the sizes I have looked at 147, 149, 151 and 161s.

The previous lot / older stock all had yellow bushings - sets of 147 and 149 on boards I have.

Another person I know with older 148s had orange bushings.

Similar to Indy bushings, all the stock bushings regardless of colour are 90 duro, but the aftermarket bushings are colour coded to hardness.

Yeah I've been eyeing a pair of 147 Standards, the seller didn't want to break out a tape measure so I was trying to guess by bushing color. They eventually got a tape measure out and they are 147s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 24, 2020, 01:07:14 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on October 24, 2020, 12:06:43 AM

Yeah I've been eyeing a pair of 147 Standards, the seller didn't want to break out a tape measure so I was trying to guess by bushing color. They eventually got a tape measure out and they are 147s.

Sweet! So you have new trucks coming?

Maybe it is just me, but if I am going to sell anything, I would like to have all the dimensions or information on the listing.

All the new Thunders and quite a few going back a while have the size stamped under the hanger right beside the wheel, which has helped with a few people who didn't know the sizes.

I also saw the new Indy hangers also have this, even though they always had the number in roman numerals down low on the top of the hanger beside where the top bushing sits, but I guess now it is way more visible.

Ace always have as far as I know.

Second pic on each post:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CC9cTNchwGa/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEcHGE5Fnt0/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CAX5rnBJuKa/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NORTHBYMIDWEST on October 25, 2020, 06:58:29 AM
I've been wanting to try a set of Krux out for a while now and I think I may pick a set up in the next couple days, but I've had trouble finding solid info on the axle height. It looks like the smaller sizes and DLK trucks may be 52mm tall and the wider/tall sizes are 55mm tall? I've been riding Indy's most of my life so I've gotten pretty used to the 55mm + shock pad feel and I'd like to keep that same height if possible. Thanks in advance for any info.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on October 25, 2020, 07:05:20 AM
I tried Krux, they weren't that bad but still it was a waste of time
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on October 25, 2020, 08:26:13 AM
Quote from: SKATELYNJENNER on October 25, 2020, 06:58:29 AM
I've been wanting to try a set of Krux out for a while now and I think I may pick a set up in the next couple days, but I've had trouble finding solid info on the axle height. It looks like the smaller sizes and DLK trucks may be 52mm tall and the wider/tall sizes are 55mm tall? I've been riding Indy's most of my life so I've gotten pretty used to the 55mm + shock pad feel and I'd like to keep that same height if possible. Thanks in advance for any info.

Yeah, Krux are 55mm. The DLK just means it has the downlow kingpin, I don't think they make low trucks (52) anymore which is unfortunate cause that would be a better height IMO. They don't have a sharp turn so most people hate them if they've spent time on other turny trucks. The bushings suck and can make the trucks floppy. They are great with Ace bushings which you can't find in stock these days. Consider waiting for the new versions if you like a sharper turn. I'd be riding them now if they were lower and possibly a bit lighter.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on October 25, 2020, 08:56:19 AM
i think krux are *supposed* to be floppy/limited turn.

you plop right into pinch position doing grinds, and you can land all kinds of sketchy and you wont get kicked off your board.

i could never wheelbite those things either...but i couldn't get used to how they were just not stable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NORTHBYMIDWEST on October 25, 2020, 09:24:03 AM
Thanks for the info dudes! Yeah, I figured they wouldn't be as good as Indy's but I think I'm still gonna get a set. I've pretty much been skating the same board/truck/wheel/bearing combo for a few years now and I want to get a few different setups going to mess around on this winter. Variety is the spice of life or so I've heard haha.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on October 25, 2020, 03:39:09 PM
Quote from: sketchyrider on October 25, 2020, 08:56:19 AM
i think krux are *supposed* to be floppy/limited turn.

you plop right into pinch position doing grinds, and you can land all kinds of sketchy and you wont get kicked off your board.

i could never wheelbite those things either...but i couldn't get used to how they were just not stable.

Krux does have the absolute best aversion to wheel bite. I'm pretty certain it's due to the extra long pivot-nub on the hanger, which makes it harder at the end of the turn, and is also a big reason for people's turn complaints. I think they changed this for the K5's (thought I remember reading that). The Ace bushings I mentioned solve the floppyness, the taller top makes them more stable and gives a more consistent turn from top to bottom. The soft Ace bottom bushings gives you a better turn. I honestly believe their trucks would contend with the best if they could just figure this out. I also agree that they low-key have the best pinch... The wheel base is perfect, they're just too tall and too heavy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on October 25, 2020, 08:15:20 PM
Quote from: Beeker on October 25, 2020, 03:39:09 PM
Quote from: sketchyrider on October 25, 2020, 08:56:19 AM
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i think krux are *supposed* to be floppy/limited turn.

you plop right into pinch position doing grinds, and you can land all kinds of sketchy and you wont get kicked off your board.

i could never wheelbite those things either...but i couldn't get used to how they were just not stable.
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Krux does have the absolute best aversion to wheel bite. I'm pretty certain it's due to the extra long pivot-nub on the hanger, which makes it harder at the end of the turn, and is also a big reason for people's turn complaints. I think they changed this for the K5's (thought I remember reading that). The Ace bushings I mentioned solve the floppyness, the taller top makes them more stable and gives a more consistent turn from top to bottom. The soft Ace bottom bushings gives you a better turn. I honestly believe their trucks would contend with the best if they could just figure this out. I also agree that they low-key have the best pinch... The wheel base is perfect, they're just too tall and too heavy.
Gonna pick up some K5s when they drop.
But picked up extra Krux inverted kingpins for them and the new Indys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 26, 2020, 09:04:13 AM
Quote from: Kevve on October 21, 2020, 08:50:51 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on October 21, 2020, 06:38:37 AM
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Quote from: Kevve on October 21, 2020, 06:24:31 AM
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Someone running Indy 144s with 3 washers in the inside and got a caliper to measure the width?

Or just measuring the width of 2 speedrings would work too i think! Trying to figure out if i really need a set of 149 on my 8.5" and how much diffrence it is between a 149 and a spaced out 144.
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I haven't seen many / any posts about the three speed rings (washers) but I have been doing that for a while, especially on new trucks, which brings the wheels out as far as possible and have the wheel nut just snug right on the end.

As you asked, I use 149s and the three speed rings with bigger wider wheels which sit flush with the 8.5 decks I ride and it works perfectly for me, but a lot of people don't want to see their wheels or like them sitting inside the deck, so although it would sit inside a bit, you could get away with doing that with 144s.

The other thing is whether or not you want a little more truck grinding room, or prefer a wider feel or a not so wide feel.

It is about 5 mm in total difference, so about 2.5 mm each side.

What size or shape wheel do you ride?
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53mm Conical fulls.
Allright so 144s plus 2 extra speedrings is more or less 149mm?
Made a noticeable diffrence after I put the 2 extra spacers in some month ago, had trouble getting the truck on the coping before.

I'm was running 3 inner washers with very skinny wheels (ricta super slims) and the wheels were damn near lined up to ACE44s with classics...both with nuts flush to the end of the axle...not sure you could get 149 width out of them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on October 26, 2020, 03:12:38 PM
I spent YEARS posting in this thread and at least a couple hundreds dollars worth of trucks just to settle with normal Thunder TI’s with bones bushings, riptide cups, and risers. For as long as I used them the krux pin really isn’t necessary either


Still had to keep my Rimz tho (https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/lawd.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 26, 2020, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: Beeker on October 25, 2020, 03:39:09 PM
Quote from: sketchyrider on October 25, 2020, 08:56:19 AM
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i think krux are *supposed* to be floppy/limited turn.

you plop right into pinch position doing grinds, and you can land all kinds of sketchy and you wont get kicked off your board.

i could never wheelbite those things either...but i couldn't get used to how they were just not stable.
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Krux does have the absolute best aversion to wheel bite. I'm pretty certain it's due to the extra long pivot-nub on the hanger, which makes it harder at the end of the turn, and is also a big reason for people's turn complaints. I think they changed this for the K5's (thought I remember reading that). The Ace bushings I mentioned solve the floppyness, the taller top makes them more stable and gives a more consistent turn from top to bottom. The soft Ace bottom bushings gives you a better turn. I honestly believe their trucks would contend with the best if they could just figure this out. I also agree that they low-key have the best pinch... The wheel base is perfect, they're just too tall and too heavy.

They redesigned the Pivot cup from what I recall, but it was the TM speaking not the engineers. They still make the Downlow but pretty rare to see the hollow downlows.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MusclesMarinara on October 26, 2020, 06:19:44 PM
Have never tried any of the "light" trucks but am planning on trying either the indy forged hollows or thunder hollow lights. Any insight on either of these would be appreciated.

FYI I've had both indy standard and thunder team trucks in the past and I like them both. Wouldn't say I'm a purist for either.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on October 26, 2020, 07:06:23 PM
Quote from: Xen on October 26, 2020, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: Beeker on October 25, 2020, 03:39:09 PM
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i think krux are *supposed* to be floppy/limited turn.

you plop right into pinch position doing grinds, and you can land all kinds of sketchy and you wont get kicked off your board.

i could never wheelbite those things either...but i couldn't get used to how they were just not stable.
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Krux does have the absolute best aversion to wheel bite. I'm pretty certain it's due to the extra long pivot-nub on the hanger, which makes it harder at the end of the turn, and is also a big reason for people's turn complaints. I think they changed this for the K5's (thought I remember reading that). The Ace bushings I mentioned solve the floppyness, the taller top makes them more stable and gives a more consistent turn from top to bottom. The soft Ace bottom bushings gives you a better turn. I honestly believe their trucks would contend with the best if they could just figure this out. I also agree that they low-key have the best pinch... The wheel base is perfect, they're just too tall and too heavy.
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They redesigned the Pivot cup from what I recall, but it was the TM speaking not the engineers. They still make the Downlow but pretty rare to see the hollow downlows.

Yeah "redesigned pivot cup" seems like a TM way to say redesigned hanger nub, I doubt it's just the cup material, I bet they made it smaller.

I'm pretty skeptical that they still make the low trucks, the 52mm one's with the solid DL kingpin? I think the one's you see listed online are actually just DLK that sellers think are low trucks. Seems like the Manny Santiago's were the last lows I remember. Of course I could be wrong, but I haven't seen any and I've looked. Would be nice if they had a catalog.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 26, 2020, 07:15:09 PM
Quote from: Beeker on October 26, 2020, 07:06:23 PM
Quote from: Xen on October 26, 2020, 03:24:38 PM
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Quote from: Beeker on October 25, 2020, 03:39:09 PM
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Quote from: sketchyrider on October 25, 2020, 08:56:19 AM
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i think krux are *supposed* to be floppy/limited turn.

you plop right into pinch position doing grinds, and you can land all kinds of sketchy and you wont get kicked off your board.

i could never wheelbite those things either...but i couldn't get used to how they were just not stable.
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Krux does have the absolute best aversion to wheel bite. I'm pretty certain it's due to the extra long pivot-nub on the hanger, which makes it harder at the end of the turn, and is also a big reason for people's turn complaints. I think they changed this for the K5's (thought I remember reading that). The Ace bushings I mentioned solve the floppyness, the taller top makes them more stable and gives a more consistent turn from top to bottom. The soft Ace bottom bushings gives you a better turn. I honestly believe their trucks would contend with the best if they could just figure this out. I also agree that they low-key have the best pinch... The wheel base is perfect, they're just too tall and too heavy.
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They redesigned the Pivot cup from what I recall, but it was the TM speaking not the engineers. They still make the Downlow but pretty rare to see the hollow downlows.
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Yeah "redesigned pivot cup" seems like a TM way to say redesigned hanger nub, I doubt it's just the cup material, I bet they made it smaller.

I'm pretty skeptical that they still make the low trucks, the 52mm one's with the solid DL kingpin? I think the one's you see listed online are actually just DLK that sellers think are low trucks. Seems like the Manny Santiago's were the last lows I remember. Of course I could be wrong, but I haven't seen any and I've looked. Would be nice if they had a catalog.

Yeah I think you're right, Manny's were the last...I think Steezortiz had some too...the DL Hollows were last seen covered in weed graphics for Tommy...

The Pivot was super long and the cups were long to match, you couldn't replace them and they angle was fucked and you'd destroy them pretty fast (rumor has it they are/were Indy Stage II designs)...if they were fucking smart they'd rip S7/8...THAT'S how you'd get people on Krux...besides not marketing them to girls and people who like Welcome and Enjoi.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on October 26, 2020, 09:43:32 PM
I hope this isn't the dumbest question ever but do trucks get lower as you skate them from the bushings getting squished down? I've never thought too much about truck height until the Indy Mids came out. I've always just skated standard height trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: matty_c on October 26, 2020, 10:39:03 PM
I think maybe if your pivot cup is smashed up it could lower the truck a tiny bit

Those green thunders look kinda sick
I would like to see like a lucerne or gunmetal blue colour I reckon that would work
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on October 27, 2020, 12:09:08 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on October 26, 2020, 09:43:32 PM
I hope this isn't the dumbest question ever but do trucks get lower as you skate them from the bushings getting squished down? I've never thought too much about truck height until the Indy Mids came out. I've always just skated standard height trucks.

Inasmuch as your wheels wearing down, it's something that'd happen naturally over time in a way that's not going to be randomly jarring. Hard urethane like in wheels and bushings is pretty stable stuff with strong memory, it'll shrink or deform, but it takes long enough you're not going to notice it happening. Not a dumb question, it is rubber after all, and we've all seen a shredded or blown out Bones bushing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on October 27, 2020, 03:35:52 AM
Just set up my first set of thunders. Have 97du aftermarkets for bushings. Has any one experienced their bushings being super soft at first then hardening up as they break in? For 97du these things are super soft.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatesum609 on October 27, 2020, 10:49:17 AM
How are the ace pivot cups? Need to swap out the ones in my indys but the only options from the site I wanna order from are ace, Shorty’s and khiro
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on October 27, 2020, 11:16:43 AM
Quote from: skatesum609 on October 27, 2020, 10:49:17 AM
How are the ace pivot cups? Need to swap out the ones in my indys but the only options from the site I wanna order from are ace, Shorty’s and khiro

As far as I'm aware, the ace pivot cups still get torn up. Get the khiro softs, they feel pretty good in Aces and are durable so they probably feel good for Indys too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on October 27, 2020, 11:47:02 AM
anybody know if theres something u can do to make indys turn more responsive like thunders?

No matter what I do I can't loosen my indy 149s to where they feel like they turn when I want them to. I thought it was just breaking them in but about 2 weeks of daily skating, kingpin nut barely screwed on, still feels too tight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on October 27, 2020, 12:02:44 PM
Quote from: Peepeeboy69 on October 27, 2020, 11:47:02 AM
anybody know if theres something u can do to make indys turn more responsive like thunders?

No matter what I do I can't loosen my indy 149s to where they feel like they turn when I want them to. I thought it was just breaking them in but about 2 weeks of daily skating, kingpin nut barely screwed on, still feels too tight.

Softer bushings and getting conical shaped ones. Maybe even getting new pivot cups but with all that done you may as well get Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on October 27, 2020, 01:20:23 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on October 27, 2020, 12:02:44 PM
Quote from: Peepeeboy69 on October 27, 2020, 11:47:02 AM
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anybody know if theres something u can do to make indys turn more responsive like thunders?

No matter what I do I can't loosen my indy 149s to where they feel like they turn when I want them to. I thought it was just breaking them in but about 2 weeks of daily skating, kingpin nut barely screwed on, still feels too tight.
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Softer bushings and getting conical shaped ones. Maybe even getting new pivot cups but with all that done you may as well get Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 27, 2020, 04:58:37 PM
Quote from: Peepeeboy69 on October 27, 2020, 11:47:02 AM
anybody know if theres something u can do to make indys turn more responsive like thunders?

No matter what I do I can't loosen my indy 149s to where they feel like they turn when I want them to. I thought it was just breaking them in but about 2 weeks of daily skating, kingpin nut barely screwed on, still feels too tight.

A FREE fix, just cut down your top bushing, as I showed on the last page, or page 309 and you will have the same trucks that will turn a lot more for you, so you don't have to buy new trucks (which is pretty stupid if there is actually nothing wrong with the existing ones) and they will turn a whole lot better.

Another option if you are not into trying that is to remove the bottom metal washer, which I do not recommend, but I know a lot of kids do it who feel like their trucks are too tight and really makes them a lot looser, also free and also easy to replace the metal washer if you don't like it.

Otherwise get softer bushings, which will allow the trucks to turn more with your weight, which I am guessing is not much.

If you are light, then any truck will be harder to turn with bushings that are not soft or very soft.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.9240
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 27, 2020, 05:07:24 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on October 26, 2020, 09:43:32 PM
I hope this isn't the dumbest question ever but do trucks get lower as you skate them from the bushings getting squished down? I've never thought too much about truck height until the Indy Mids came out. I've always just skated standard height trucks.

Truck height cannot really be changed at all, no matter how much the pivot cups or bushings are compressed, the only thing you can do is lift them higher with risers, so given some trucks are actually a lot higher (Indy standards 55mm) and some a lot lower (down to 50mm or less), consider how much you get wheelbite first, eg lower trucks means more wheelbite so you will not be able to turn half as much on lower trucks as you might on taller ones.

That said, if you get them and they feel too low, you can always put a riser in, so it is not the end of the world.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 27, 2020, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: CrimsonGhost on October 26, 2020, 06:19:44 PM
Have never tried any of the "light" trucks but am planning on trying either the indy forged hollows or thunder hollow lights. Any insight on either of these would be appreciated.

FYI I've had both indy standard and thunder team trucks in the past and I like them both. Wouldn't say I'm a purist for either.

Both are good for all round normal but slightly lighter skating, to note the Indy forged hollow is only 53.5mm high, compared to the standard which is 55mm high.  Thunder is 52 or so from measuring a set I have, both do the job well.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 27, 2020, 05:17:27 PM
Quote from: Big Baby Jesus on October 27, 2020, 03:35:52 AM
Just set up my first set of thunders. Have 97du aftermarkets for bushings. Has any one experienced their bushings being super soft at first then hardening up as they break in? For 97du these things are super soft.

Quite a few others have said how soft the "hard" bushings feel when they first put them in, from both the Thunder and Indy after market bushings, and I tend to agree, but one thing you should always do is try to wear them in before tightening them down too much when brand new.  Often a couple of really gentle sessions skating will help this a lot, but if they still feel too squishy, I recall some other bushings which come out a bit harder right from go, whether you can get them or not nowdays, but Lucky kegs and Doh Dohs were the hardest, even some other normal 99 duro bushings still feel pretty turnable straight up, compared to some older worn in bushings that harden up a lot over time.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on October 27, 2020, 05:49:11 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on October 27, 2020, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: CrimsonGhost on October 26, 2020, 06:19:44 PM
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Have never tried any of the "light" trucks but am planning on trying either the indy forged hollows or thunder hollow lights. Any insight on either of these would be appreciated.

FYI I've had both indy standard and thunder team trucks in the past and I like them both. Wouldn't say I'm a purist for either.
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Both are good for all round normal but slightly lighter skating, to note the Indy forged hollow is only 53.5mm high, compared to the standard which is 55mm high.  Thunder is 52 or so from measuring a set I have, both do the job well.

Thunder lights with forged baseplate are 50mm. I was on some for about a year. They were cool, but I like the extra height and ended up using risers with them until I snagged some team hollow baseplates. I sorta feel that the weight difference isn't all that much in the end. I notice it when I pick up my board, but that's it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gabagoolslide on October 27, 2020, 07:39:27 PM
Do any major truck company make trucks higher than 55mm
I’m looking for a 56.5mm or 57mm high truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on October 27, 2020, 08:06:38 PM
Quote from: Gabagoolslide on October 27, 2020, 07:39:27 PM
Do any major truck company make trucks higher than 55mm
I’m looking for a 56.5mm or 57mm high truck

Destructo D1 Mids (56mm) and Squadron 6.0 (58mm)
https://destructotrucks.com/pages/customer-service

Quote from: ballintoohard on October 27, 2020, 05:49:11 PM
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Quote from: CrimsonGhost on October 26, 2020, 06:19:44 PM
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Have never tried any of the "light" trucks but am planning on trying either the indy forged hollows or thunder hollow lights. Any insight on either of these would be appreciated.

FYI I've had both indy standard and thunder team trucks in the past and I like them both. Wouldn't say I'm a purist for either.
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Both are good for all round normal but slightly lighter skating, to note the Indy forged hollow is only 53.5mm high, compared to the standard which is 55mm high.  Thunder is 52 or so from measuring a set I have, both do the job well.
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Thunder lights with forged baseplate are 50mm. I was on some for about a year. They were cool, but I like the extra height and ended up using risers with them until I snagged some team hollow baseplates. I sorta feel that the weight difference isn't all that much in the end. I notice it when I pick up my board, but that's it.

Height aside, Light / Hollow variants of trucks are felt more acutely on brands that have a heavy "standard" truck. The standard Thunder at 337g is substantially lighter than Venture (357g) and Indy (377g). ie I would be ok to ride a cheaper Thunder (standard / light) but I would spend more for the double hollow versions on Indys or Ventures. 

(he said, riding his Thunder 148 Titanium)

Like Ben Degros said in his Tensor Maglight review, there comes a point of diminishing returns for truck weight. Too light and the board has no "umph" and it feels very limp when you pop. Too heavy and the board struggles against gravity.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on October 27, 2020, 08:43:12 PM
Quote from: Gabagoolslide on October 27, 2020, 07:39:27 PM
Do any major truck company make trucks higher than 55mm
I’m looking for a 56.5mm or 57mm high truck

Not "major" in the skate world - but Paris Street Truck is 57.1.   

This guy says the height is mostly in the baseplate, so I'm not sure what advantage you have over just putting a riser on.

http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2013/12/paris-street-trucks-169.html
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 27, 2020, 08:58:29 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on October 27, 2020, 05:49:11 PM


Thunder lights with forged baseplate are 50mm. I was on some for about a year. They were cool, but I like the extra height and ended up using risers with them until I snagged some team hollow baseplates. I sorta feel that the weight difference isn't all that much in the end. I notice it when I pick up my board, but that's it.

Yes, and I always forget they go up in height as they get wider too. I should have said:

Thunder in 149 is 52 or so from measuring a set I have, both do the job well.

*** I always had to put a thin riser under the older (stage 9 and 10) Indy and any and all Thunders too, but I am using 56mm wheels for the most part and still ride fairly loose trucks.



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 27, 2020, 09:05:26 PM
Quote from: Gabagoolslide on October 27, 2020, 07:39:27 PM
Do any major truck company make trucks higher than 55mm
I’m looking for a 56.5mm or 57mm high truck

Any truck can go up to whatever height you want it with risers, eg I used to use the thinnest rubber risers on my normal boards until the 55mm Indys came out, then 1/8 on the normal 60mm wheel boards, then 1/4 on the cruisers with big soft wheels and the 1/2 inch high are really good on the mega big soft wheel boards and come standard on Z Flex old skool completes, which is a touch too high for my liking but you get used to it for cruiser setups.  Just get deck bolts to match the size of the risers and you are set.

It is better than getting wheelbite and ending up on the ground.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MusclesMarinara on October 27, 2020, 10:36:48 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on October 27, 2020, 08:06:38 PM
Quote from: Gabagoolslide on October 27, 2020, 07:39:27 PM
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Do any major truck company make trucks higher than 55mm
I’m looking for a 56.5mm or 57mm high truck
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Destructo D1 Mids (56mm) and Squadron 6.0 (58mm)
https://destructotrucks.com/pages/customer-service

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Quote from: Mbrimson88 on October 27, 2020, 05:10:31 PM
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Quote from: CrimsonGhost on October 26, 2020, 06:19:44 PM
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Have never tried any of the "light" trucks but am planning on trying either the indy forged hollows or thunder hollow lights. Any insight on either of these would be appreciated.

FYI I've had both indy standard and thunder team trucks in the past and I like them both. Wouldn't say I'm a purist for either.
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Both are good for all round normal but slightly lighter skating, to note the Indy forged hollow is only 53.5mm high, compared to the standard which is 55mm high.  Thunder is 52 or so from measuring a set I have, both do the job well.
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Thunder lights with forged baseplate are 50mm. I was on some for about a year. They were cool, but I like the extra height and ended up using risers with them until I snagged some team hollow baseplates. I sorta feel that the weight difference isn't all that much in the end. I notice it when I pick up my board, but that's it.
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Height aside, Light / Hollow variants of trucks are felt more acutely on brands that have a heavy "standard" truck. The standard Thunder at 337g is substantially lighter than Venture (357g) and Indy (377g). ie I would be ok to ride a cheaper Thunder (standard / light) but I would spend more for the double hollow versions on Indys or Ventures. 

(he said, riding his Thunder 148 Titanium)

Like Ben Degros said in his Tensor Maglight review, there comes a point of diminishing returns for truck weight. Too light and the board has no "umph" and it feels very limp when you pop. Too heavy and the board struggles against gravity.

Guys thanks for all the insights, alot of info I had no idea about. I'm definitely leaning more into the Thunder hollow lights or lights, I think. Looking for less "umph" tbh, so they seem to be where I should be looking at. Gonna do some Google searching and see what shops have them in stock. Again much appreciated.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heckler on October 31, 2020, 07:52:58 PM
Can someone tell me the difference between conical and cylinder bottom bushings? I'm specifically interested in Indy mediums but I assume the principle will apply to any trucks. Is a cylinder bottom bushing more "stable"?

Also, how soft are Indy soft bushings versus Bones yellows (which I personally cannot stand)?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 31, 2020, 08:58:52 PM
Quote from: heckler on October 31, 2020, 07:52:58 PM
Can someone tell me the difference between conical and cylinder bottom bushings? I'm specifically interested in Indy mediums but I assume the principle will apply to any trucks. Is a cylinder bottom bushing more "stable"?

Also, how soft are Indy soft bushings versus Bones yellows (which I personally cannot stand)?


I’m also interest in hearing an explanation for bushing shapes, the ones I’ve heard started to sound pretty mumbo jumbo, vague at best. ‘Surfy’ (fuck that term, hate it).
Why don’t you like medium bones? I’ve had a love/hate/and now like, with those yellow bones. If I was going to swap bushings without breaking the trucks in, like a fuckin lunatic, my default would be yellow bones. The only trucks I really like them in are ventures tho, every other truck I’ve tried them with seems better stock.
I feel like conical bushings are a little quicker in turn. Not sure if that’s true.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lou Strux on November 01, 2020, 08:48:34 AM
Quote from: heckler on October 31, 2020, 07:52:58 PM
Can someone tell me the difference between conical and cylinder bottom bushings? I'm specifically interested in Indy mediums but I assume the principle will apply to any trucks. Is a cylinder bottom bushing more "stable"?

Also, how soft are Indy soft bushings versus Bones yellows (which I personally cannot stand)?
Brief explainer is that a “barrel” (or cylinder) shaped bottom bushing has more material in the compression zone, hence provides more resistance in the latter portion of the turn, where as a “conical” bushing allows for a consistent lean-in the whole way across the turn, thus conical bushings tends to lead to more wheel bite due to lack of resistance.
Stack height (including washers) is kinda crucial for maintaining your trucks designed turn, so attempt to replicate your existing stack height if you want an idea of how the trucks were intended to ride, regardless of preferred tightness, or which duro bushies you put in there.
Monkeying w/ trucks is fun, but after nearly 40 years, I’m back to running things stock & just finding the trucks I enjoy in that format (currently Thunders, Indys, & Ace.)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tuesday on November 01, 2020, 08:51:31 AM
Quote from: Lou Strux on November 01, 2020, 08:48:34 AM
Quote from: heckler on October 31, 2020, 07:52:58 PM
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Can someone tell me the difference between conical and cylinder bottom bushings? I'm specifically interested in Indy mediums but I assume the principle will apply to any trucks. Is a cylinder bottom bushing more "stable"?

Also, how soft are Indy soft bushings versus Bones yellows (which I personally cannot stand)?
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Brief explainer is that a “barrel” (or cylinder) shaped bottom bushing has more material in the compression zone, hence provides more resistance in the latter portion of the turn, where as a “conical” bushing allows for a consistent lean-in the whole way across the turn, thus conical bushings tends to lead to more wheel bite due to lack of resistance.
Stack height (including washers) is kinda crucial for maintaining your trucks designed turn, so attempt to replicate your existing stack height if you want an idea of how the trucks were intended to ride, regardless of preferred tightness, or which duro bushies you put in there.
Monkeying w/ trucks is fun, but after nearly 40 years, I’m back to running things stock & just finding the trucks I enjoy in that format (currently Thunders, Indys, & Ace.)

Thanks! That was a really good explanation.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on November 01, 2020, 09:07:51 AM
While I would lose some of the responsiveness of the thunders, do Indy barrel bushings work? First set of thunders and I'm trying to dial them in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 01, 2020, 10:17:35 AM
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(https://i.imgur.com/4dIUnKq.png) (https://imgur.com/a/0YH2gKJ#4dIUnKq)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 01, 2020, 03:16:09 PM
Quote from: Big Baby Jesus on November 01, 2020, 09:07:51 AM
While I would lose some of the responsiveness of the thunders, do Indy barrel bushings work? First set of thunders and I'm trying to dial them in.

Nah they won't turn. You need to cut the Indy/bait and tackle to fit thunder
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 01, 2020, 03:14:21 PM
Quote from: Big Baby Jesus on November 01, 2020, 09:07:51 AM
While I would lose some of the responsiveness of the thunders, do Indy barrel bushings work? First set of thunders and I'm trying to dial them in.

Nah they won't turn. You need to cut the Indy/bait and tackle to fit thunder
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 01, 2020, 03:50:19 PM
Different brands cannot really be compared just on duro / hardness alone, as they feel so different to me.

Bones bushings - 3 Hardnesses: Soft Bushing: 81A, Medium Bushing: 91A, Hard Bushing: 96A

Indy current colours, white very soft 78, red soft 88, orange medium 90, blue medium hard 92, black hard 94 and yellow very hard 96

Thunder aftermarket has the rebuild kits soft red 90, meduim blue 95 and hard black 100, then just the container tube from the current thundertrucks.com showing clear yellow and white both 90, clear blue 94, clear red 97 and neon yellow 100


Also Thunder has different heights of truck depending on size, so for mine in 149, or from 148 up the Indy bushings will fit fine as the Thunder trucks are taller, but the smaller sizes are lower, so will not fit as well.


Stock bushings are said to be around 90 duro but feel way different to the aftermarket bushings of the same number and the different brands have different amounts of squash and rebound too, as well as a significant difference when new to when worn in.


Before you put different bushings in your trucks compare sizes and heights of the bushings, especially the bottom bushing as difference in height will most definitely affect how the truck performs.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 01, 2020, 04:08:04 PM
In saying all that, I am quite brand specific, so I keep Indy bushings in my Indy trucks and Thunder bushings in my Thunders, but I have had Indy, Thunder, Venture, Ace, and a few other brands and swapped bushings around just to feel out what works and what doesn't work and most combinations still work fine, but there are a few interesting differences with how they turn and bounce back.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sammyz on November 01, 2020, 07:26:16 PM
I've googled but not found anything, so hoping wisdom here can help.

which bushing, top or bottom, would have more impact on reducing wheel bite on thunders?

I am thinking about putting a super hard bushing in either the top or bottom and have a softer one in the other position.

I've currently got hard bushings, but I'm about 95kg, so that's probably equivalent to a medium on most other lighter skaters and my trucks are about medium tight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 01, 2020, 08:00:45 PM
Quote from: sammyz on November 01, 2020, 07:26:16 PM
I've googled but not found anything, so hoping wisdom here can help.

which bushing, top or bottom, would have more impact on reducing wheel bite on thunders?

I am thinking about putting a super hard bushing in either the top or bottom and have a softer one in the other position.

I've currently got hard bushings, but I'm about 95kg, so that's probably equivalent to a medium on most other lighter skaters and my trucks are about medium tight.


Softer bottom/hard top turny with quick rebound/snap to center


Hard bottom/soft top is weird you get stability from the hard bottom but a bit of squish on the turn (and no snap back to center).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pugmaster on November 01, 2020, 08:01:46 PM
I love this thread but I wonder how many marriages it has ruined?

The relationship between man/woman and truck reminds me of the Kids in the Hall episode where the guy goes on vacation, decides to grow a beard, and then becomes overtaken by his beard.

I imagine a SLAP pal in their basement tinkering with pivot cups, hangers, king pins etc., and having a similar situation as what occurs at :42 seconds. "The trucks stay, YOU go."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeX2ZI5KL3E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeX2ZI5KL3E)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on November 01, 2020, 08:15:00 PM
There are no difference between 148 and 149 Thunders in terms of height correct?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sammyz on November 01, 2020, 08:23:12 PM
Quote from: Xen on November 01, 2020, 08:00:45 PM
Quote from: sammyz on November 01, 2020, 07:26:16 PM
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I've googled but not found anything, so hoping wisdom here can help.

which bushing, top or bottom, would have more impact on reducing wheel bite on thunders?

I am thinking about putting a super hard bushing in either the top or bottom and have a softer one in the other position.

I've currently got hard bushings, but I'm about 95kg, so that's probably equivalent to a medium on most other lighter skaters and my trucks are about medium tight.

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Softer bottom/hard top turny with quick rebound/snap to center


Hard bottom/soft top is weird you get stability from the hard bottom but a bit of squish on the turn (and no snap back to center).

awesome thanks, the first one sounds like a good combo. ill try it out tonight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 02, 2020, 03:05:28 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on November 01, 2020, 08:15:00 PM
There are no difference between 148 and 149 Thunders in terms of height correct?

I found this thread which has a lot more info on Thunder truck heights, but I believe them to be the same from 148 up, which is 52.3 mm.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=104383.0
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on November 02, 2020, 03:31:57 AM
Quote from: Banned from the room on November 01, 2020, 03:14:21 PM
Quote from: Big Baby Jesus on November 01, 2020, 09:07:51 AM
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While I would lose some of the responsiveness of the thunders, do Indy barrel bushings work? First set of thunders and I'm trying to dial them in.
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Nah they won't turn. You need to cut the Indy/bait and tackle to fit thunder

Thanks for the feedback. I'm just going to wait for the thunder aftermarkets to break in and harden up. I have a spare set of bait n tackle but I'd prefer to not cut or trim them. I'll use them in my 5.8 ventures eventually.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on November 02, 2020, 05:22:48 AM
Quote from: Xen on November 01, 2020, 08:00:45 PM
Quote from: sammyz on November 01, 2020, 07:26:16 PM
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I've googled but not found anything, so hoping wisdom here can help.

which bushing, top or bottom, would have more impact on reducing wheel bite on thunders?

I am thinking about putting a super hard bushing in either the top or bottom and have a softer one in the other position.

I've currently got hard bushings, but I'm about 95kg, so that's probably equivalent to a medium on most other lighter skaters and my trucks are about medium tight.

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Softer bottom/hard top turny with quick rebound/snap to center


Hard bottom/soft top is weird you get stability from the hard bottom but a bit of squish on the turn (and no snap back to center).

Just put a 96 cylinder bottom and 92 top on my indies pretty stoked for the stability. May put a 96 on top too. I worry about losing pinch. If I do.   I’m 6 1’ over well 200lbs.


After thought: I may just put the 96 top on the back truck only
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on November 02, 2020, 08:27:25 AM
Any tip to get your trucks to stop leaning/curving towards one side? I’m regular and my board wants to go to the left, whenever I am trying backside tail slides it’s the worst.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on November 02, 2020, 08:30:25 AM
Quote from: Idk on November 02, 2020, 08:27:25 AM
Any tip to get your trucks to stop leaning/curving towards one side? I’m regular and my board wants to go to the left, whenever I am trying backside tail slides it’s the worst.
New pivot cups should fix it. Get riptides.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 02, 2020, 10:38:08 AM
Just curious, how many of you swap your trucks if/when your front truck it at or close to axle?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on November 02, 2020, 10:52:09 AM
Quote from: Idk on November 02, 2020, 08:27:25 AM
Any tip to get your trucks to stop leaning/curving towards one side? I’m regular and my board wants to go to the left, whenever I am trying backside tail slides it’s the worst.

You sure it's the trucks and not a warped deck?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on November 02, 2020, 11:02:23 AM
Quote from: Twanked n Danked on November 02, 2020, 10:52:09 AM
Quote from: Idk on November 02, 2020, 08:27:25 AM
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Any tip to get your trucks to stop leaning/curving towards one side? I’m regular and my board wants to go to the left, whenever I am trying backside tail slides it’s the worst.
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You sure it's the trucks and not a warped deck?
I’ve been leaving my deck in my car so maybe. I got it a few weeks ago from the Crail store, the new Bennett.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sammyz on November 02, 2020, 02:21:23 PM
Quote from: Xen on November 01, 2020, 08:00:45 PM
Quote from: sammyz on November 01, 2020, 07:26:16 PM
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I've googled but not found anything, so hoping wisdom here can help.

which bushing, top or bottom, would have more impact on reducing wheel bite on thunders?

I am thinking about putting a super hard bushing in either the top or bottom and have a softer one in the other position.

I've currently got hard bushings, but I'm about 95kg, so that's probably equivalent to a medium on most other lighter skaters and my trucks are about medium tight.

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Softer bottom/hard top turny with quick rebound/snap to center


Hard bottom/soft top is weird you get stability from the hard bottom but a bit of squish on the turn (and no snap back to center).

Genius!

I set up my trucks last night, thunder medium bushing on bottom, indy super hard bushing top.

It felt soo good! I could feel that bounce back and resistance when i was leaning...nothing to stop me from turning, but just felt when i was leaning too much.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kneesles on November 02, 2020, 03:43:45 PM
Quote from: Idk on November 02, 2020, 08:27:25 AM
Any tip to get your trucks to stop leaning/curving towards one side? I’m regular and my board wants to go to the left, whenever I am trying backside tail slides it’s the worst.
Rotate the top bushing of your front truck 90 degrees clockwise and the bottom 90 degrees counter clockwise. Do the opposite for the back truck. If its still turning freely rotate both of the pivot cups 180 degrees.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 02, 2020, 05:30:11 PM
Quote from: Kneesles on November 02, 2020, 03:43:45 PM
Quote from: Idk on November 02, 2020, 08:27:25 AM
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Any tip to get your trucks to stop leaning/curving towards one side? I’m regular and my board wants to go to the left, whenever I am trying backside tail slides it’s the worst.
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Rotate the top bushing of your front truck 90 degrees clockwise and the bottom 90 degrees counter clockwise. Do the opposite for the back truck. If its still turning freely rotate both of the pivot cups 180 degrees.

Totally agree.  It is almost always all in the bushings, so being regular and heavy heel landings mean the bushings compress on the heel side, so the board turns left.

Often mark a single line down the bushings so you know what position they have been in and after rotating see the difference in the trucks turning, or staying straight.

Bushings that don't bounce right back are more likely to have this issue, but also check to see that the trucks are sitting straight on the deck, the deck is not warped and even the hanger is sitting square on the baseplate, because all those things can impact the truck turn as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on November 02, 2020, 06:20:08 PM
Quote from: Murge on November 02, 2020, 05:22:48 AM
Quote from: Xen on November 01, 2020, 08:00:45 PM
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Quote from: sammyz on November 01, 2020, 07:26:16 PM
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I've googled but not found anything, so hoping wisdom here can help.

which bushing, top or bottom, would have more impact on reducing wheel bite on thunders?

I am thinking about putting a super hard bushing in either the top or bottom and have a softer one in the other position.

I've currently got hard bushings, but I'm about 95kg, so that's probably equivalent to a medium on most other lighter skaters and my trucks are about medium tight.

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Softer bottom/hard top turny with quick rebound/snap to center


Hard bottom/soft top is weird you get stability from the hard bottom but a bit of squish on the turn (and no snap back to center).
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Just put a 96 cylinder bottom and 92 top on my indies pretty stoked for the stability. May put a 96 on top too. I worry about losing pinch. If I do.   I’m 6 1’ over well 200lbs.


After thought: I may just put the 96 top on the back truck only
gonna try the same thing with my ventures when i get back home. curious to see if it can beat out my preferred ace bottom bones hard top combo.

at couple inches taller and hovering around 200 pounds, i dont think pinch is anything to worry about as long as theres an attempt made. would be more of an issue at say 140lbs with the harder duros.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on November 03, 2020, 04:59:04 AM
Has anyone else noticed that Thunder baseplates have been retooled to accommodate an inverted kingpin or at least the old style kingpin if necessary?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 03, 2020, 02:45:13 PM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on November 03, 2020, 04:59:04 AM
Has anyone else noticed that Thunder baseplates have been retooled to accommodate an inverted kingpin or at least the old style kingpin if necessary?

Has anyone even seen a new drop of thunders out in the wild? Insta says there are some new Ishod's on the way but just the same old same old.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 03, 2020, 03:51:30 PM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on November 03, 2020, 04:59:04 AM
Has anyone else noticed that Thunder baseplates have been retooled to accommodate an inverted kingpin or at least the old style kingpin if necessary?

I just checked the newest set of 149s I have in stock and although they have a rectangular area where the fixed kingpin is, I am not sure it would accommodate a hex head, but I will sit an old kingpin in the gap a bit later to see if it would work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 03, 2020, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on November 03, 2020, 03:51:30 PM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on November 03, 2020, 04:59:04 AM
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Has anyone else noticed that Thunder baseplates have been retooled to accommodate an inverted kingpin or at least the old style kingpin if necessary?
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I just checked the newest set of 149s I have in stock and although they have a rectangular area where the fixed kingpin is, I am not sure it would accommodate a hex head, but I will sit an old kingpin in the gap a bit later to see if it would work.

Sounds like the old plates, which do accommodate a bolt but won't hold it in place without a little help.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TumKayo on November 03, 2020, 08:01:35 PM
I’ve gotten two pairs of Indy stage 11 standards this year, 169s and 215s, that have mismatched baseplates. One baseplate will be 1-2mm longer than the other. Anyone else had this problem?

I don’t notice any effects in performance, in fact they are my favorite trucks alongside my ventures, but it’s still a little annoying for people with ocd. I did however get one pair for 159s that were matched much better, but 1 out of 3 is not good odds.

(https://i.ibb.co/GkXPj8q/44-C6-D83-F-9-C8-A-4896-8106-0240-F8-C172-FD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GkXPj8q)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on November 03, 2020, 09:24:39 PM
Quote from: TumKayo on November 03, 2020, 08:01:35 PM
I’ve gotten two pairs of Indy stage 11 standards this year, 169s and 215s, that have mismatched baseplates. One baseplate will be 1-2mm longer than the other. Anyone else had this problem?

I don’t notice any effects in performance, in fact they are my favorite trucks alongside my ventures, but it’s still a little annoying for people with ocd. I did however get one pair for 159s that were matched much better, but 1 out of 3 is not good odds.

(https://i.ibb.co/GkXPj8q/44-C6-D83-F-9-C8-A-4896-8106-0240-F8-C172-FD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GkXPj8q)

No one else checks their trucks like that and you shouldn't either.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TumKayo on November 03, 2020, 10:06:29 PM
Quote from: Beeker on November 03, 2020, 09:24:39 PM
Quote from: TumKayo on November 03, 2020, 08:01:35 PM
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I’ve gotten two pairs of Indy stage 11 standards this year, 169s and 215s, that have mismatched baseplates. One baseplate will be 1-2mm longer than the other. Anyone else had this problem?

I don’t notice any effects in performance, in fact they are my favorite trucks alongside my ventures, but it’s still a little annoying for people with ocd. I did however get one pair for 159s that were matched much better, but 1 out of 3 is not good odds.

(https://i.ibb.co/GkXPj8q/44-C6-D83-F-9-C8-A-4896-8106-0240-F8-C172-FD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GkXPj8q)
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No one else checks their trucks like that and you shouldn't either.

So it doesn’t matter? That’s kind of why I’m asking this, because I don’t know. I stood those up like that for a picture, I actually measured it too. I just thought it was weird because all my other truck pairs are exactly the same and the Indys have some variation within pairs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on November 03, 2020, 10:16:02 PM
Quote from: TumKayo on November 03, 2020, 10:06:29 PM
Quote from: Beeker on November 03, 2020, 09:24:39 PM
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Quote from: TumKayo on November 03, 2020, 08:01:35 PM
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I’ve gotten two pairs of Indy stage 11 standards this year, 169s and 215s, that have mismatched baseplates. One baseplate will be 1-2mm longer than the other. Anyone else had this problem?

I don’t notice any effects in performance, in fact they are my favorite trucks alongside my ventures, but it’s still a little annoying for people with ocd. I did however get one pair for 159s that were matched much better, but 1 out of 3 is not good odds.

(https://i.ibb.co/GkXPj8q/44-C6-D83-F-9-C8-A-4896-8106-0240-F8-C172-FD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GkXPj8q)
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No one else checks their trucks like that and you shouldn't either.
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So it doesn’t matter? That’s kind of why I’m asking this, because I don’t know. I stood those up like that for a picture, I actually measured it too. I just thought it was weird because all my other truck pairs are exactly the same and the Indys have some variation within pairs.

It doesn't matter. If you are an extremely advanced skater who needs ultimate precision for the most technical tricks, then it still doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TumKayo on November 03, 2020, 10:21:52 PM
Quote from: Beeker on November 03, 2020, 10:16:02 PM
Quote from: TumKayo on November 03, 2020, 10:06:29 PM
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Quote from: Beeker on November 03, 2020, 09:24:39 PM
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Quote from: TumKayo on November 03, 2020, 08:01:35 PM
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I’ve gotten two pairs of Indy stage 11 standards this year, 169s and 215s, that have mismatched baseplates. One baseplate will be 1-2mm longer than the other. Anyone else had this problem?

I don’t notice any effects in performance, in fact they are my favorite trucks alongside my ventures, but it’s still a little annoying for people with ocd. I did however get one pair for 159s that were matched much better, but 1 out of 3 is not good odds.

(https://i.ibb.co/GkXPj8q/44-C6-D83-F-9-C8-A-4896-8106-0240-F8-C172-FD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GkXPj8q)
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No one else checks their trucks like that and you shouldn't either.
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So it doesn’t matter? That’s kind of why I’m asking this, because I don’t know. I stood those up like that for a picture, I actually measured it too. I just thought it was weird because all my other truck pairs are exactly the same and the Indys have some variation within pairs.
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It doesn't matter. If you are an extremely advanced skater who needs ultimate precision for the most technical tricks, then it still doesn't really matter.

Lol I’m not great. That 1-2mm in a non essential measurement isn’t the sole thing holding me back from being pro???
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 03, 2020, 10:31:12 PM
Quote from: TumKayo on November 03, 2020, 10:21:52 PM
Quote from: Beeker on November 03, 2020, 10:16:02 PM
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Quote from: TumKayo on November 03, 2020, 10:06:29 PM
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Quote from: Beeker on November 03, 2020, 09:24:39 PM
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Quote from: TumKayo on November 03, 2020, 08:01:35 PM
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I’ve gotten two pairs of Indy stage 11 standards this year, 169s and 215s, that have mismatched baseplates. One baseplate will be 1-2mm longer than the other. Anyone else had this problem?

I don’t notice any effects in performance, in fact they are my favorite trucks alongside my ventures, but it’s still a little annoying for people with ocd. I did however get one pair for 159s that were matched much better, but 1 out of 3 is not good odds.

(https://i.ibb.co/GkXPj8q/44-C6-D83-F-9-C8-A-4896-8106-0240-F8-C172-FD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GkXPj8q)
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No one else checks their trucks like that and you shouldn't either.
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So it doesn’t matter? That’s kind of why I’m asking this, because I don’t know. I stood those up like that for a picture, I actually measured it too. I just thought it was weird because all my other truck pairs are exactly the same and the Indys have some variation within pairs.
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It doesn't matter. If you are an extremely advanced skater who needs ultimate precision for the most technical tricks, then it still doesn't really matter.
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Lol I’m not great. That 1-2mm in a non essential measurement isn’t the sole thing holding me back from being pro???

I mean, not being salty, but you're trying to measure wrong. The edges on those plates are angled, if they drift to the left a couple mm while you're holding them, the one on the right is gonna look a couple mm shorter. But also, what Beeker said.

mf's on the truck thread have digital callipers and full-on measuring jigs, ya gotta up your game to hang. Kidding. Stick around, feed your madness.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TumKayo on November 03, 2020, 11:25:15 PM
Well I must say, they are making their way to being my favorite trucks, so maybe Indy is onto something.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 04, 2020, 07:54:44 AM
Quote from: Xen on November 03, 2020, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on November 03, 2020, 03:51:30 PM
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Quote from: Richard Skidder on November 03, 2020, 04:59:04 AM
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Has anyone else noticed that Thunder baseplates have been retooled to accommodate an inverted kingpin or at least the old style kingpin if necessary?
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I just checked the newest set of 149s I have in stock and although they have a rectangular area where the fixed kingpin is, I am not sure it would accommodate a hex head, but I will sit an old kingpin in the gap a bit later to see if it would work.
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Sounds like the old plates, which do accommodate a bolt but won't hold it in place without a little help.

So there are newer ones that have the option for a hex head kingpin or reverse option so it holds the nut?

I would like to see that.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 04, 2020, 08:19:41 AM
Quote from: TumKayo on November 03, 2020, 08:01:35 PM
I’ve gotten two pairs of Indy stage 11 standards this year, 169s and 215s, that have mismatched baseplates. One baseplate will be 1-2mm longer than the other. Anyone else had this problem?

I don’t notice any effects in performance, in fact they are my favorite trucks alongside my ventures, but it’s still a little annoying for people with ocd. I did however get one pair for 159s that were matched much better, but 1 out of 3 is not good odds.

(https://i.ibb.co/GkXPj8q/44-C6-D83-F-9-C8-A-4896-8106-0240-F8-C172-FD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GkXPj8q)

*** talking about the thickness of the baseplate ***

Surprised no one suggested this as a solution, but here goes:

You said you have two sets, both have one baseplate that is taller (* actually meant thicker) than the other?  All baseplates should be exactly the same, which also means no matter what size hanger you have on the baseplate, it will still work the same way, so I would suggest you take the trucks apart, then work out if you have two baseplates that are one height (*thickness) and two that are the other height, keep those as pairs and then put the correct pairs of hangers on the pairs of baseplates.  Swapping bushings is optional, but I know my OCD would set the two sets aside so I keep them with the hangers, including which one was front and which was the back, but that is probably going too far.

Would that solve your issue of mismatched heights of baseplates?

Too much coffee and still being up after 2 am (my time) gives me a certain clarity that I might not have had earlier.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TumKayo on November 04, 2020, 08:43:09 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on November 04, 2020, 08:19:41 AM
Quote from: TumKayo on November 03, 2020, 08:01:35 PM
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I’ve gotten two pairs of Indy stage 11 standards this year, 169s and 215s, that have mismatched baseplates. One baseplate will be 1-2mm longer than the other. Anyone else had this problem?

I don’t notice any effects in performance, in fact they are my favorite trucks alongside my ventures, but it’s still a little annoying for people with ocd. I did however get one pair for 159s that were matched much better, but 1 out of 3 is not good odds.

(https://i.ibb.co/GkXPj8q/44-C6-D83-F-9-C8-A-4896-8106-0240-F8-C172-FD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GkXPj8q)
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Surprised no one suggested this as a solution, but here goes:

You said you have two sets, both have one baseplate that is taller than the other?  All baseplates should be exactly the same, which also means no matter what size hanger you have on the baseplate, it will still work the same way, so I would suggest you take the trucks apart, then work out if you have two baseplates that are one height and two that are the other height, keep those as pairs and then put the correct pairs of hangers on the pairs of baseplates.  Swapping bushings is optional, but I know my OCD would set the two sets aside so I keep them with the hangers, including which one was front and which was the back, but that is probably going too far.

Would that solve your issue of mismatched heights of baseplates?

Too much coffee and still being up after 2 am (my time) gives me a certain clarity that I might not have had earlier.

That is my next step. I didn’t know if the baseplates were all the same, was going to make some measurements, but glad to hear they are the same.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on November 04, 2020, 08:51:49 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on November 04, 2020, 08:19:41 AM
Quote from: TumKayo on November 03, 2020, 08:01:35 PM
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I’ve gotten two pairs of Indy stage 11 standards this year, 169s and 215s, that have mismatched baseplates. One baseplate will be 1-2mm longer than the other. Anyone else had this problem?

I don’t notice any effects in performance, in fact they are my favorite trucks alongside my ventures, but it’s still a little annoying for people with ocd. I did however get one pair for 159s that were matched much better, but 1 out of 3 is not good odds.

(https://i.ibb.co/GkXPj8q/44-C6-D83-F-9-C8-A-4896-8106-0240-F8-C172-FD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GkXPj8q)
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Surprised no one suggested this as a solution, but here goes:

You said you have two sets, both have one baseplate that is taller than the other?  All baseplates should be exactly the same, which also means no matter what size hanger you have on the baseplate, it will still work the same way, so I would suggest you take the trucks apart, then work out if you have two baseplates that are one height and two that are the other height, keep those as pairs and then put the correct pairs of hangers on the pairs of baseplates.  Swapping bushings is optional, but I know my OCD would set the two sets aside so I keep them with the hangers, including which one was front and which was the back, but that is probably going too far.

Would that solve your issue of mismatched heights of baseplates?

Too much coffee and still being up after 2 am (my time) gives me a certain clarity that I might not have had earlier.

I could be wrong, but I think he's talking about the baseplate length, not the height of the trucks. Either way, you guys ar over thinking this way too much. Just don't ever put your trucks like that and you will never know and it will never affect anything.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 04, 2020, 09:26:21 AM
Quote from: Beeker on November 04, 2020, 08:51:49 AM

I could be wrong, but I think he's talking about the baseplate length, not the height of the trucks. Either way, you guys ar over thinking this way too much. Just don't ever put your trucks like that and you will never know and it will never affect anything.


Either earlier in this thread or in another separate thread, he showed that one baseplate was thicker than the other / stood taller on the board than the other, so one was something like 2mm tall (hollow forged baseplate) and the other one was 3 or 4 mm tall (more like standard cast baseplate).

That pic doesn't actually show what old mate was meaning unless you look really closely and see the difference in thickness, but I did notice others seemed to take it that way too, as if the baseplate was a mm longer, not thicker.

Easy and not a worry.

*** I added "thicker" to the other reply, so that should make it easier to understand too ***

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TumKayo on November 04, 2020, 10:49:04 AM
I actually did mean the length of the baseplate, not the height.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 04, 2020, 04:52:31 PM
Quote from: TumKayo on November 04, 2020, 10:49:04 AM
I actually did mean the length of the baseplate, not the height.

And that is why I shouldn't be up and posting at 3 am.

Sorry and carry on.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 04, 2020, 05:15:51 PM
Quote from: Beeker on November 04, 2020, 08:51:49 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on November 04, 2020, 08:19:41 AM
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Quote from: TumKayo on November 03, 2020, 08:01:35 PM
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I’ve gotten two pairs of Indy stage 11 standards this year, 169s and 215s, that have mismatched baseplates. One baseplate will be 1-2mm longer than the other. Anyone else had this problem?

I don’t notice any effects in performance, in fact they are my favorite trucks alongside my ventures, but it’s still a little annoying for people with ocd. I did however get one pair for 159s that were matched much better, but 1 out of 3 is not good odds.

(https://i.ibb.co/GkXPj8q/44-C6-D83-F-9-C8-A-4896-8106-0240-F8-C172-FD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GkXPj8q)
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Surprised no one suggested this as a solution, but here goes:

You said you have two sets, both have one baseplate that is taller than the other?  All baseplates should be exactly the same, which also means no matter what size hanger you have on the baseplate, it will still work the same way, so I would suggest you take the trucks apart, then work out if you have two baseplates that are one height and two that are the other height, keep those as pairs and then put the correct pairs of hangers on the pairs of baseplates.  Swapping bushings is optional, but I know my OCD would set the two sets aside so I keep them with the hangers, including which one was front and which was the back, but that is probably going too far.

Would that solve your issue of mismatched heights of baseplates?

Too much coffee and still being up after 2 am (my time) gives me a certain clarity that I might not have had earlier.
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I could be wrong, but I think he's talking about the baseplate length, not the height of the trucks. Either way, you guys ar over thinking this way too much. Just don't ever put your trucks like that and you will never know and it will never affect anything.

Seriously, I couldn't even see how this would fuck up your skating in anyway...hell most people would want more meat on thunder plates provided it was towards the nose or tail ;P
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 04, 2020, 05:25:30 PM
What's more concerning are the yellow Indy super hard bushings. Don't you like to turn?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jakeumms on November 04, 2020, 05:46:33 PM
Looks like standard ass 90a stock Indy bushings to me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on November 04, 2020, 06:55:16 PM
on that note i never see anyone rocking aftermarket indy bushings in the wild. i've only seen bones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on November 04, 2020, 07:05:35 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on November 04, 2020, 05:25:30 PM
What's more concerning are the yellow Indy super hard bushings. Don't you like to turn?
And this is how Diocletian found out he's colorblind
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 04, 2020, 07:47:58 PM
Quote from: sketchyrider on November 04, 2020, 06:55:16 PM
on that note i never see anyone rocking aftermarket indy bushings in the wild. i've only seen bones.

Is that an easily discernible thing? Early 2010's everyone had Bones in their Indy's for sure, now I mostly see them on Ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 04, 2020, 08:54:59 PM
Quote from: palelight on November 04, 2020, 07:47:58 PM
Quote from: sketchyrider on November 04, 2020, 06:55:16 PM
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on that note i never see anyone rocking aftermarket indy bushings in the wild. i've only seen bones.
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Is that an easily discernible thing? Early 2010's everyone had Bones in their Indy's for sure, now I mostly see them on Ventures.

It is, since their color is different than stocks...I've never seen anyone anywhere (if I catch a glimpse of the board) with red/blue/white/yellow bushings in their indys. Hell, I've only ever seen one person riding bones softs in indys; it's either orange or bones meds.

Thunders, you can tell by drop/model which trucks they are based on bushing color...if you care about such things.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 04, 2020, 09:25:48 PM
That's a shame because the Indy aftermarket bushings are great. The blue 92 barrel bushings are perfect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TumKayo on November 04, 2020, 09:42:25 PM
I have some aftermarket Indy black bushings actually, but I got them to try to make Ace 66s work for me. That's another story. I can't skate Aces with 54-56mm wheels, not even with 1/4" risers. Ridiculous, because I like how they turn, the finish detail and quality is awesome, but I can't even ride them without crazy bite. Not even close.

No wheelbite on Indys with 1/10" shock pads and 55-56mm cruiser wheels, and good deep turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 05, 2020, 12:09:10 AM
I think a lot fewer people are actually swapping out the Indy bushings straight away now compared to how we all used to because the stage 11 have fairly decent bushings in them, that work moderately well right from go and wear in nicely after a couple of sessions.  That said, they are about 90 duro, so if you are more used to looser or tighter, you are probably going to want to change them out.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 05, 2020, 02:10:27 AM
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on that note i never see anyone rocking aftermarket indy bushings in the wild. i've only seen bones.
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Is that an easily discernible thing? Early 2010's everyone had Bones in their Indy's for sure, now I mostly see them on Ventures.
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It is, since their color is different than stocks...I've never seen anyone anywhere (if I catch a glimpse of the board) with red/blue/white/yellow bushings in their indys. Hell, I've only ever seen one person riding bones softs in indys; it's either orange or bones meds.

Thunders, you can tell by drop/model which trucks they are based on bushing color...if you care about such things.

Fair enough. I figured on account of 90's being the same colour stock and aftermarket it might be a tough call. That and Indy always has trucks with different colour stocks in most drops, usually red or black, sometimes white. Obviously a conical bottom is dead giveaway. But, I'd probably agree, when I think about it, it's always pretty much stock oranges across the board when I see em.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 05, 2020, 07:52:20 AM
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What's more concerning are the yellow Indy super hard bushings. Don't you like to turn?
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Ans this is how Diocletian found out he's colorblind

Lol, fuck man those aren't yellow?!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on November 05, 2020, 10:37:07 AM
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Has anyone else noticed that Thunder baseplates have been retooled to accommodate an inverted kingpin or at least the old style kingpin if necessary?
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I just checked the newest set of 149s I have in stock and although they have a rectangular area where the fixed kingpin is, I am not sure it would accommodate a hex head, but I will sit an old kingpin in the gap a bit later to see if it would work.
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Sounds like the old plates, which do accommodate a bolt but won't hold it in place without a little help.
Sorry I’m a bit behind commenting back here but the shop I work at just got in a bunch of polished Thunders and on the base plate where the kingpin is it used to be more squared and now it’s kind of a “V” shape that’s the same size as the nut. With Thunder working on an inverted kingpin release soon it would make sense for them to have one baseplate to use for either.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 05, 2020, 12:40:01 PM
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Has anyone else noticed that Thunder baseplates have been retooled to accommodate an inverted kingpin or at least the old style kingpin if necessary?
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I just checked the newest set of 149s I have in stock and although they have a rectangular area where the fixed kingpin is, I am not sure it would accommodate a hex head, but I will sit an old kingpin in the gap a bit later to see if it would work.
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Sounds like the old plates, which do accommodate a bolt but won't hold it in place without a little help.
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Sorry I’m a bit behind commenting back here but the shop I work at just got in a bunch of polished Thunders and on the base plate where the kingpin is it used to be more squared and now it’s kind of a “V” shape that’s the same size as the nut. With Thunder working on an inverted kingpin release soon it would make sense for them to have one baseplate to use for either.

Snap some pics
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on November 05, 2020, 06:00:28 PM
Next time I’m in the shop I’ll get a photo. Can you only post photos from desktop or does it work with mobile?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on November 05, 2020, 07:46:34 PM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on November 05, 2020, 06:00:28 PM
Next time I’m in the shop I’ll get a photo. Can you only post photos from desktop or does it work with mobile?
mobile. There’s a link below the rely type box “add image to post” pretty straight forward to add from device
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on November 06, 2020, 05:38:17 AM
Awesome. Thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on November 06, 2020, 05:46:29 AM
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on that note i never see anyone rocking aftermarket indy bushings in the wild. i've only seen bones.
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Is that an easily discernible thing? Early 2010's everyone had Bones in their Indy's for sure, now I mostly see them on Ventures.
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It is, since their color is different than stocks...I've never seen anyone anywhere (if I catch a glimpse of the board) with red/blue/white/yellow bushings in their indys. Hell, I've only ever seen one person riding bones softs in indys; it's either orange or bones meds.

Thunders, you can tell by drop/model which trucks they are based on bushing color...if you care about such things.
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Fair enough. I figured on account of 90's being the same colour stock and aftermarket it might be a tough call. That and Indy always has trucks with different colour stocks in most drops, usually red or black, sometimes white. Obviously a conical bottom is dead giveaway. But, I'd probably agree, when I think about it, it's always pretty much stock oranges across the board when I see em.
When I still skated indys I always changed my stock orange bushings to orange aftermarket bushings, they might look the same but performance was like night and day, only thing you can spot them is that they are (were?) a little bit darker orange than stock ones. Dunno how is these day tho...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chris. on November 06, 2020, 07:25:30 AM
I have pushed back against riding Indy's for 20 years because I've been a contrarian fucktard my whole life but I'll be damned if these cast hollow 144 aren't amazing. I haven't lost anything and I'm unlocking new tricks like nose manuals that have just never worked.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on November 07, 2020, 01:45:27 PM
has anyone tried thunder hangers + venture baseplates?
if they fit, it may solve the nose/tailslide issue
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on November 07, 2020, 03:06:16 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on November 04, 2020, 09:25:48 PM
That's a shame because the Indy aftermarket bushings are great. The blue 92 barrel bushings are perfect.

I have a feeling you're right on the money, the 90s are nice enough but a little bit prone to wheelbite if you like bigger wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 07, 2020, 03:54:12 PM
Winter wars are beginning.

Going to switch up to aces soon so I can turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on November 07, 2020, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: Banned from the room on November 07, 2020, 03:54:12 PM
Winter wars are beginning.

Going to switch up to aces soon so I can turn.


Fuckin so true. Been thinking about buying some 33s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 07, 2020, 05:18:52 PM
I might have more access to everything, so I can pretty much build what I like with whatever product I get my hands on, but I have never had a set of pro / good brand trucks that I could not make turn as I wanted them to, usually by swapping out or changing up bushings or sometimes even using minimal risers on lower trucks.

When some people say they cannot turn on brand X so they switch to brand Y or Z, how is it that you cannot turn, eg are the bushings in the trucks making them too tight, or you go to turn and get wheelbite, or what?

Indy, Thunder, Venture, Ace, and many others I really don't need to name can all still work just as well if you have the power and access to make them work, with minimal tweaks or changes.

I get the other things like people not happy with Thunder baseplates not being long enough in the nose / tail slide area or other things like the height of the truck / height of the kingpin clearance, etc.

I am curious as to exactly how things do not work for you.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on November 08, 2020, 01:29:30 AM
I think it’s more preferences, if you’ve been skating indys hella loose for past 10years I guarantee when you switch to ventures they feel like train on tracks. Ofc you can adjust on those by changing bushings and most important just ride them until you get comfy on ’em but...most guys here works full-time jobs, like myself I don’t have time to re-learn how to fucking turn on my board, as I’ve been doing that for the past 20 years with great success already&#128513; 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mcidraque on November 08, 2020, 01:57:37 AM
Quote from: sketchyrider on November 04, 2020, 06:55:16 PM
on that note i never see anyone rocking aftermarket indy bushings in the wild. i've only seen bones.

their conical aftermarkets work great for me (specially the soft red ones) definitely more durable than bones (mediums at least) in my experience
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on November 08, 2020, 04:01:47 AM
I'm on a pair of thunder 149 team hollows right now and while I like them a lot I am starting to feel like they are not the ideal truck for the decks I skate. I am usually on 8.38 or 8.5 Polar's with 14.5 WB. Has any one tried the Indy Titanium? Think I need something to shorten the WB. Ventures and thunders are pushing the WB too far out for me... I think...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 08, 2020, 05:50:47 AM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  on November 08, 2020, 01:29:30 AM
I don’t have time to re-learn how to fucking turn on my board, as I’ve been doing that for the past 20 years with great success already

Ha yes, I totally understand that.

The number of near dead bushings I have seen that people are riding which makes the trucks have "that perfect worn in turn" which you can never replicate on brand new bushings.  I know quite a few people will get rid of trucks but never get rid of their well used bushings.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 08, 2020, 05:56:39 AM
Quote from: Big Baby Jesus on November 08, 2020, 04:01:47 AM
I'm on a pair of thunder 149 team hollows right now and while I like them a lot I am starting to feel like they are not the ideal truck for the decks I skate. I am usually on 8.38 or 8.5 Polar's with 14.5 WB. Has any one tried the Indy Titanium? Think I need something to shorten the WB. Ventures and thunders are pushing the WB too far out for me... I think...

The titanium axle does make it lighter, the Indy geometry makes them turn easily enough and the meat of the hanger means they stay solid for grinds and last longer than some other trucks, but it is all down to personal preference.  The difference in wheelbase between Indy and Thunder on two identical setups is a couple of mm, so whether that is going to give you more what you want, or not, I couldn't say.

I feel more stable on Indy, but that is just me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on November 08, 2020, 06:06:43 AM
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I'm on a pair of thunder 149 team hollows right now and while I like them a lot I am starting to feel like they are not the ideal truck for the decks I skate. I am usually on 8.38 or 8.5 Polar's with 14.5 WB. Has any one tried the Indy Titanium? Think I need something to shorten the WB. Ventures and thunders are pushing the WB too far out for me... I think...
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The titanium axle does make it lighter, the Indy geometry makes them turn easily enough and the meat of the hanger means they stay solid for grinds and last longer than some other trucks, but it is all down to personal preference.  The difference in wheelbase between Indy and Thunder on two identical setups is a couple of mm, so whether that is going to give you more what you want, or not, I couldn't say.

I feel more stable on Indy, but that is just me.

I think the difference between forged indys (titanium) and cast thunders is quite small.

Those polar boards have long wb, I can’t fuck with em (this is because these days I almost exclusively skate flat parking lots, and just want to try flip tricks).

Ace would bring the wb in the most, but are squirrelly and can be difficult to get adjusted correctly, for some, in the beginning.

I am way more obsessed with the particulars of a setup when it’s outside of my comfort zone, meaning: I need everything to be just so, and that just so is very much a moving target, when I’m trying to skate a board that is bigger or smaller than what I probably should be skating. It’s annoying, because I want to have different setups, or more often ride larger wheels, and if so proportionally larger setups, but....it becomes too difficult for me to bring it all together. Usually.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lou Strux on November 08, 2020, 11:58:35 AM
Sooo... My only gripe w/ Thunders is the massive wheel bite I get when I ride them at my preferred level of adjust.
Currently running Thunder 90du bushings with only about a thread of kingpin showing (basically: factory stock)
Question: would I reasonably be able to expect a substantial/noticeable difference in how much wheel bite I'm experiencing if I ran a barrel bushing of appropriate size, or am I a fool for expecting no wheel bite while running 54-56mm wheels on Thunders w/ the Team (cast) base plates?
I've tried slightly harder Thunder bushings, but they fucked up the turn too much.
At one point I was trying to run Bones Medium (yellow) in them, but those fucks blow out. The best solution I've tried so far is just keeping them standard.
Love my Thunders, but I am super over the wheel bite factor.
Any body tried a barrel on the bottom with good results? If so, which sort?
Other info: I'm approx. 170 lbs.
Thanks in advance.
Shalom.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on November 08, 2020, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: Lou Strux on November 08, 2020, 11:58:35 AM
Sooo... My only gripe w/ Thunders is the massive wheel bite I get when I ride them at my preferred level of adjust.
Currently running Thunder 90du bushings with only about a thread of kingpin showing (basically: factory stock)
Question: would I reasonably be able to expect a substantial/noticeable difference in how much wheel bite I'm experiencing if I ran a barrel bushing of appropriate size, or am I a fool for expecting no wheel bite while running 54-56mm wheels on Thunders w/ the Team (cast) base plates?
I've tried slightly harder Thunder bushings, but they fucked up the turn too much.
At one point I was trying to run Bones Medium (yellow) in them, but those fucks blow out. The best solution I've tried so far is just keeping them standard.
Love my Thunders, but I am super over the wheel bite factor.
Any body tried a barrel on the bottom with good results? If so, which sort?
Other info: I'm approx. 170 lbs.
Thanks in advance.
Shalom.

I'm on my first set of thunders ever. I have a ton of WB too on mine and 54mm wheels. I'm 155 lbs. I'm using the 97du thunder aftermarkets. I tried to put supercush 97du in but the barrel was too big for the washer and I didn't want to take parts off my ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 08, 2020, 04:08:21 PM
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Sooo... My only gripe w/ Thunders is the massive wheel bite I get when I ride them at my preferred level of adjust.
Currently running Thunder 90du bushings with only about a thread of kingpin showing (basically: factory stock)
Question: would I reasonably be able to expect a substantial/noticeable difference in how much wheel bite I'm experiencing if I ran a barrel bushing of appropriate size, or am I a fool for expecting no wheel bite while running 54-56mm wheels on Thunders w/ the Team (cast) base plates?
I've tried slightly harder Thunder bushings, but they fucked up the turn too much.
At one point I was trying to run Bones Medium (yellow) in them, but those fucks blow out. The best solution I've tried so far is just keeping them standard.
Love my Thunders, but I am super over the wheel bite factor.
Any body tried a barrel on the bottom with good results? If so, which sort?
Other info: I'm approx. 170 lbs.
Thanks in advance.
Shalom.
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I'm on my first set of thunders ever. I have a ton of WB too on mine and 54mm wheels. I'm 155 lbs. I'm using the 97du thunder aftermarkets. I tried to put supercush 97du in but the barrel was too big for the washer and I didn't want to take parts off my ventures.

I know everyone would have different experiences, but when I try to turn as per normal on Thunders with no risers, I get wheelbite 100% of the time.  With the most minimal risers (thin rubber 1mm) or something equally minimal in height, you can still feel the normal ride, with it not being too high off the ground, but it is a world of difference in the turn, as that simple and minimal 1mm brings the trucks up ever so slightly but allows the true turn of Thunders to work for me.

The only time I could turn without issue is when I had put old very small wheels on an old setup with Thunders and there was enough clearance to turn, but it still felt just that little bit weird.  With minimal risers and stock bushings, it had enough stability but enough turnability to feel comfortable on normal sized wheels.

If nothing else, just a couple of squares of cardboard, cut out bike tube rubber or similar substance, or whatever that fits under it, which will also still fit with normal deck bolts will do it.  Even though you might think or feel that it is a ghetto way of doing it, just try it first and see if it makes a difference.

There are thin rubber risers out there from half a dozen companies, but they might be few and far between to find, whereas something simple to cut out, which brings the trucks off the deck will work.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHWhyC6lixi/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 08, 2020, 06:18:43 PM
Quote from: Lou Strux on November 08, 2020, 11:58:35 AM
Sooo... My only gripe w/ Thunders is the massive wheel bite I get when I ride them at my preferred level of adjust.
Currently running Thunder 90du bushings with only about a thread of kingpin showing (basically: factory stock)
Question: would I reasonably be able to expect a substantial/noticeable difference in how much wheel bite I'm experiencing if I ran a barrel bushing of appropriate size, or am I a fool for expecting no wheel bite while running 54-56mm wheels on Thunders w/ the Team (cast) base plates?
I've tried slightly harder Thunder bushings, but they fucked up the turn too much.
At one point I was trying to run Bones Medium (yellow) in them, but those fucks blow out. The best solution I've tried so far is just keeping them standard.
Love my Thunders, but I am super over the wheel bite factor.
Any body tried a barrel on the bottom with good results? If so, which sort?
Other info: I'm approx. 170 lbs.
Thanks in advance.
Shalom.

Caveat, I didn't stick with Thunders, had em for one set. The only thing that reduced (but still didn't eliminate) the wheelbite was using a standard Ace bushing on the bottom, and keeping the stock Thunder top. The dimensions were a little skewed, but nothing too insane. Still had the Thunder turn. Mind you I was on 52mm's getting wheelbite and was over it all pretty quick. 56's might be a hard ask.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on November 08, 2020, 06:42:09 PM
Without risers, I wouldn’t go larger than 54 on cast thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on November 08, 2020, 07:58:50 PM
I had Thunder Ti Lite 148 with the forged plates. Thought I'd see if I liked extra height so I put on 1/8" risers. Loved it. So I buy Thunder Team 149 and swap my old bushings and hangers. But I don't love it. Feels weird. Turn feels stiff. Is there any dimension difference between the 2 hangers or bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on November 09, 2020, 11:17:05 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on November 08, 2020, 07:58:50 PM
I had Thunder Ti Lite 148 with the forged plates. Thought I'd see if I liked extra height so I put on 1/8" risers. Loved it. So I buy Thunder Team 149 and swap my old bushings and hangers. But I don't love it. Feels weird. Turn feels stiff. Is there any dimension difference between the 2 hangers or bushings?

No, you just need to break in your pivot cups or put your old ones in (recommend just breaking them in). Throw some wax shavings in the cups to loosen up the feel while they’re breaking in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on November 09, 2020, 11:46:02 AM
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I had Thunder Ti Lite 148 with the forged plates. Thought I'd see if I liked extra height so I put on 1/8" risers. Loved it. So I buy Thunder Team 149 and swap my old bushings and hangers. But I don't love it. Feels weird. Turn feels stiff. Is there any dimension difference between the 2 hangers or bushings?
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No, you just need to break in your pivot cups or put your old ones in (recommend just breaking them in). Throw some wax shavings in the cups to loosen up the feel while they’re breaking in.

I hate forged plates maybe, or maybe I only like them on 14 wb. Anyways, didn’t want to buy completely new 147s, so I swapped the cast plate from some 149s....147s and down are different from 148s and up, geometry wise (I’m pretty sure). So far it works ok. No kp clearance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 09, 2020, 02:41:46 PM
So I typically ride Ace or Thunder and occasionally Indy (stage 11) but recently I have been on some stage 8s and quality of the grind cannot be overstated. The aluminum feels way harder and it just smashes through grinds in such a satisfactory way. What went wrong? Can we get back to this quality again please?

Will the new Aces have harder aluminum? Please!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on November 09, 2020, 07:33:40 PM
Quote from: palelight on November 08, 2020, 06:18:43 PM
Quote from: Lou Strux on November 08, 2020, 11:58:35 AM
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Sooo... My only gripe w/ Thunders is the massive wheel bite I get when I ride them at my preferred level of adjust.
Currently running Thunder 90du bushings with only about a thread of kingpin showing (basically: factory stock)
Question: would I reasonably be able to expect a substantial/noticeable difference in how much wheel bite I'm experiencing if I ran a barrel bushing of appropriate size, or am I a fool for expecting no wheel bite while running 54-56mm wheels on Thunders w/ the Team (cast) base plates?
I've tried slightly harder Thunder bushings, but they fucked up the turn too much.
At one point I was trying to run Bones Medium (yellow) in them, but those fucks blow out. The best solution I've tried so far is just keeping them standard.
Love my Thunders, but I am super over the wheel bite factor.
Any body tried a barrel on the bottom with good results? If so, which sort?
Other info: I'm approx. 170 lbs.
Thanks in advance.
Shalom.
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Caveat, I didn't stick with Thunders, had em for one set. The only thing that reduced (but still didn't eliminate) the wheelbite was using a standard Ace bushing on the bottom, and keeping the stock Thunder top. The dimensions were a little skewed, but nothing too insane. Still had the Thunder turn. Mind you I was on 52mm's getting wheelbite and was over it all pretty quick. 56's might be a hard ask.


Nobody:

Me:
I can’t handle thunders with wheels bigger than 53s. 147s is more like 51/52. It’s actually why I don’t skate thunders more often, I really like the kickflips with thunders, but the wheelbite is constant for me. I’m not good at skating.
I find myself looking for one truck, but wanting to be able to skate a lot of different stuff, big and then small wheels, and that’s what usually kicks me off of Thunders (I always come back for a little while tho).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on November 09, 2020, 08:01:52 PM
weird, i only get bad wheelbite from Indy really, then Ace, then Thunder, then Venture.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on November 09, 2020, 08:42:26 PM
I can't remember who said it on here, but it was a good point. All trucks are going to wheelbite in one instance or another, but some are just better at telegraphing it. With Ace, obviously with that amount of turn it'll wheelbite, but I know when it's going to happen. With Thunders one jank push, it wheelbites out of nowhere, I roll my fucking front ankle. Maybe if I stuck with them longer or grew up riding them that issue would be a known quantity and I could work around it, as evidenced by a metric shit ton of Thunder riders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lou Strux on November 09, 2020, 10:19:30 PM
I'm in the rather aged category, and my switch game sucks. That (and exiting tricks fakie) is when the Thunders come looking for their blood tribute.
That qualm aside, I really do love that their quick turn means I can approach a curb at a perpendicular angle & still easily turn them hard enough to get into a proper slappy.
Meh.
I guess avoiding wheel bite is precisely why I keep these Ace & Indy sets hanging around.
Still, I've spent the better part of the 37 years on Thunders, so they feel like home. I may move away, but I reckon I'll keep coming back to visit now & again.
Fucking wheel bite, though.
Ugh!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on November 09, 2020, 11:36:51 PM
I skate with a hard bottom bushing and medium top. I dont ride loose trucks tho, but a happy medium. Dont get too bad of a wheelbite
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 10, 2020, 02:10:19 AM
Quote from: Lou Strux on November 09, 2020, 10:19:30 PM
I'm in the rather aged category, and my switch game sucks. That (and exiting tricks fakie) is when the Thunders come looking for their blood tribute.
That qualm aside, I really do love that their quick turn means I can approach a curb at a perpendicular angle & still easily turn them hard enough to get into a proper slappy.
Meh.
I guess avoiding wheel bite is precisely why I keep these Ace & Indy sets hanging around.
Still, I've spent the better part of the 37 years on Thunders, so they feel like home. I may move away, but I reckon I'll keep coming back to visit now & again.
Fucking wheel bite, though.
Ugh!

I know I already said it, but try some risers and see how it feels.  Or make some and put something between the trucks and the deck and see how much more you can turn before wheelbite stops you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TumKayo on November 10, 2020, 08:23:56 AM
I can’t even ride my Ace 66s without major wheelbite. I have 1/4” risers, tightened down a bit with indy 94a bushings and indy washers. Whether it’s with 55mm Oj mini juice, or some basic 54mm 99a shop wheels, I still get ridiculous bite. Gonna try wheel wells and mini logo 100a bushings next, not giving up.

I honestly feel like I got a defective product. I can barely even ride them.

Never in many years had any bite whatsoever on my medium loose Thunders or Ventures with 53-54mm wheels. I have a few pairs of ventures and thunders now, no bite. Lately I have been riding Indys, and even with big ass wheels and ridden fairly loose, they don’t bite. Indys are becoming my new favorites.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on November 10, 2020, 08:34:40 AM
You guys worry about wheelbite way too much.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on November 10, 2020, 08:53:49 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on November 10, 2020, 08:34:40 AM
You guys worry about wheelbite way too much.

it happens to me sometimes when i land tricks sketchy. that's one thing i liked about krux, i felt like i could land anywhere as long as my feet ended up on the board. wheelbite never seems to happen when im actually going fast or carving in transition.

i kinda feel like lighter versions of trucks are more twitchy and prone to wheelbite. doesn't explain homie's problems with aces though. i always felt wide setups were more wheelbitey and more prone to needing hard bushings or risers.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TumKayo on November 10, 2020, 09:26:38 AM
I had the oppertunity to return, but I didn’t because I want to figure them out. They are super high quality, seemingly much better finish quality on the metal bits than an Indy, Venture or Thunder. Even the speed rings they come with are just nice lol. The only piece of metal I didnt like was the stock washers, only cuz they were a little small for the bushings it seems. 

The turn radius feels super tight and they definitely have a place on trasition boards and cruisers. However, I also really like how they pop on steeper decks. They have some serious snap on big steep boards.

They feel like they have no rebound out of a turn, even when tightened down and with different bushings, like it’s engineered that way. On every other truck I own, I feel them rebound off a “bottom” of the turn or lean, whereas the Aces just keep leaning.

I really want to love them lol, but I can barely ride them. I bet on like a Polar 1991 shape with wheel wells, they’d be one of my favorite trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on November 10, 2020, 09:38:05 AM
Was wondering if anyone makes a low truck with a good amount of kingpin clearance? I tried venture lo and thunder hollows and after they grind down a little, the kingpins stick out which make grinding anything except ledges at the skatepark hard as shit (I also suck so that might be an issue).

Or for anyone riding low trucks, how have you overcome this? I wish I could be happy on a high truck but I’m too old and fat now :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 10, 2020, 10:48:41 AM
Quote from: TumKayo on November 10, 2020, 08:23:56 AM
I can’t even ride my Ace 66s without major wheelbite. I have 1/4” risers, tightened down a bit with indy 94a bushings and indy washers. Whether it’s with 55mm Oj mini juice, or some basic 54mm 99a shop wheels, I still get ridiculous bite. Gonna try wheel wells and mini logo 100a bushings next, not giving up.

I honestly feel like I got a defective product. I can barely even ride them.

Never in many years had any bite whatsoever on my medium loose Thunders or Ventures with 53-54mm wheels. I have a few pairs of ventures and thunders now, no bite. Lately I have been riding Indys, and even with big ass wheels and ridden fairly loose, they don’t bite. Indys are becoming my new favorites.

What size were the Thunders and Ventures you were skating? To be fair, you can't really compare the wheelbite you'd get on a "standard" width truck with something 9" or over. The width to height ratio is just so skewed in those instances. Also, IIRC Indy bottoms are lower than Ace so if you have those in there it is going to put your axle closer to the board as well.

In general, a bigger board with wider trucks is going to bite faster and don't give your top bushing the chance to bottom out and rebound. I think it is just kind of something that comes with the terriroty.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TumKayo on November 10, 2020, 11:33:11 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on November 10, 2020, 10:48:41 AM
Quote from: TumKayo on November 10, 2020, 08:23:56 AM
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I can’t even ride my Ace 66s without major wheelbite. I have 1/4” risers, tightened down a bit with indy 94a bushings and indy washers. Whether it’s with 55mm Oj mini juice, or some basic 54mm 99a shop wheels, I still get ridiculous bite. Gonna try wheel wells and mini logo 100a bushings next, not giving up.

I honestly feel like I got a defective product. I can barely even ride them.

Never in many years had any bite whatsoever on my medium loose Thunders or Ventures with 53-54mm wheels. I have a few pairs of ventures and thunders now, no bite. Lately I have been riding Indys, and even with big ass wheels and ridden fairly loose, they don’t bite. Indys are becoming my new favorites.
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What size were the Thunders and Ventures you were skating? To be fair, you can't really compare the wheelbite you'd get on a "standard" width truck with something 9" or over. The width to height ratio is just so skewed in those instances. Also, IIRC Indy bottoms are lower than Ace so if you have those in there it is going to put your axle closer to the board as well.

In general, a bigger board with wider trucks is going to bite faster and don't give your top bushing the chance to bottom out and rebound. I think it is just kind of something that comes with the terriroty.

My biggest Venture is 8.5, and biggest Thunder is 8.75. They don’t turn nearly as much as the Aces though, so I guess it just comes with the territory?

I have no wheelbite issues whatsoever on Indy 169s or 215s..with big wheels, .1” risers, and stock bushings. But they are 55mm, and they don’t turn quite as deep, so it makes sense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on November 10, 2020, 11:54:43 AM
https://youtu.be/SUzmlKZgCo8
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on November 10, 2020, 12:16:00 PM
Quote from: TumKayo on November 10, 2020, 09:26:38 AM
I had the oppertunity to return, but I didn’t because I want to figure them out. They are super high quality, seemingly much better finish quality on the metal bits than an Indy, Venture or Thunder. Even the speed rings they come with are just nice lol. The only piece of metal I didnt like was the stock washers, only cuz they were a little small for the bushings it seems. 

The turn radius feels super tight and they definitely have a place on trasition boards and cruisers. However, I also really like how they pop on steeper decks. They have some serious snap on big steep boards.

They feel like they have no rebound out of a turn, even when tightened down and with different bushings, like it’s engineered that way. On every other truck I own, I feel them rebound off a “bottom” of the turn or lean, whereas the Aces just keep leaning.

I really want to love them lol, but I can barely ride them. I bet on like a Polar 1991 shape with wheel wells, they’d be one of my favorite trucks.

I run Mini Logo medium bushings in my 66s, a 1/10 riser, and hard enough wheels - 56mm SPF - that they push through the wheel bite. I don’t notice when it happens. I’m starting to get pretty good grooves going. I have also heard of people waxing their deck where the bite occurs.

(https://i.ibb.co/9wPr1Jw/E51-BE6-E5-D408-424-E-B62-B-2-EB1711-A2-C11.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9wPr1Jw)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TumKayo on November 10, 2020, 12:36:09 PM
I’m hoping the Mini Logo 100a bushings make a big difference. I’m about 100kg
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on November 10, 2020, 12:43:34 PM
Quote from: TumKayo on November 10, 2020, 12:36:09 PM
I’m hoping the Mini Logo 100a bushings make a bit difference. I’m about 100kg

I'm only 80kg
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TumKayo on November 10, 2020, 01:51:50 PM
I just put some 51mm 101a wheels on the 66, no risers but still indy 94a bushings and washers. Deep carve, with barely any bite. Finally! Nice and low feeling too.

I need some medium hardness 1/8” risers I think. With those and the 100a mini logo bushings, I’m hoping I can ride all my wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 10, 2020, 06:43:52 PM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on November 10, 2020, 08:34:40 AM
You guys worry about wheelbite way too much.

I usually don't have any issues with wheelbite, but that is on Indy standards with what could probably be called medium trucks (92 low head bushings).

Others however often struggle and if they wheelbite to easily, it could be game over.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 10, 2020, 09:08:09 PM
Wheelbite is fine, most people get it and roll with it because it isn’t pitching them off their board. I’d say it’s inevitable there’s only so far a truck can turn until it bottoms out. Thunders bottom out the second half of the turn and flop into a pretty bad wheelbite though, at least in my experience. Ace and Theeve have been the best in terms of maximum turn so you don’t need to lean extremely hard trying to get one, resulting in less wheel digging into the wood.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 11, 2020, 01:22:24 AM
Dealing with some major truck madness in my life. Setup a Flip P2 8.18 with concave and kicks way mellower than my previous Santa Cruz P2, been experimenting with a few truck combinations with mixed results:

Venture 5.2 V-Hollow Lo - Excellent pinch but board was too low and I could not get the timing going. I've always been very heavy footed when I pop, the harder I tried with the board the less it wanted to get up there.
Venture 5.6 V-Hollow with Cast Baseplate - Heavy and ghost popping all day, I though the cast baseplate which extends WB less than forged would compensate for the height but it was just too chunky. Proportions of the 5.2 / 5.6 work as is, messing with baseplates gives mixed results.
Thunder 148 Titanium - Board is very light, flips too easily and my kickflips, FS / BS Flips get super high but are uncontrollable

Suggestions on how how to give added heft without messing too much of the setup? My last option would be 5.2 V-Hollow hanger with Cast baseplate: compensate for the height with cast plates while increasing the WB slightly versus the Thunder Titanium.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 11, 2020, 06:50:58 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 11, 2020, 01:22:24 AM
Dealing with some major truck madness in my life. Setup a Flip P2 8.18 with concave and kicks way mellower than my previous Santa Cruz P2, been experimenting with a few truck combinations with mixed results:

Venture 5.2 V-Hollow Lo - Excellent pinch but board was too low and I could not get the timing going. I've always been very heavy footed when I pop, the harder I tried with the board the less it wanted to get up there.
Venture 5.6 V-Hollow with Cast Baseplate - Heavy and ghost popping all day, I though the cast baseplate which extends WB less than forged would compensate for the height but it was just too chunky. Proportions of the 5.2 / 5.6 work as is, messing with baseplates gives mixed results.
Thunder 148 Titanium - Board is very light, flips too easily and my kickflips, FS / BS Flips get super high but are uncontrollable

Suggestions on how how to give added heft without messing too much of the setup? My last option would be 5.2 V-Hollow hanger with Cast baseplate: compensate for the height with cast plates while increasing the WB slightly versus the Thunder Titanium.

Quote from: anon on November 07, 2020, 01:45:27 PM
has anyone tried thunder hangers + venture baseplates?
if they fit, it may solve the nose/tailslide issue

Would this just be too much to try mixing brands as well?  I know you have both Thunder and Venture trucks there...

Probably shouldn't even think about it, but I do recall seeing others with mix and match and it worked moderately well at the time.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 11, 2020, 08:24:42 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on November 11, 2020, 06:50:58 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 11, 2020, 01:22:24 AM
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Dealing with some major truck madness in my life. Setup a Flip P2 8.18 with concave and kicks way mellower than my previous Santa Cruz P2, been experimenting with a few truck combinations with mixed results:

Venture 5.2 V-Hollow Lo - Excellent pinch but board was too low and I could not get the timing going. I've always been very heavy footed when I pop, the harder I tried with the board the less it wanted to get up there.
Venture 5.6 V-Hollow with Cast Baseplate - Heavy and ghost popping all day, I though the cast baseplate which extends WB less than forged would compensate for the height but it was just too chunky. Proportions of the 5.2 / 5.6 work as is, messing with baseplates gives mixed results.
Thunder 148 Titanium - Board is very light, flips too easily and my kickflips, FS / BS Flips get super high but are uncontrollable

Suggestions on how how to give added heft without messing too much of the setup? My last option would be 5.2 V-Hollow hanger with Cast baseplate: compensate for the height with cast plates while increasing the WB slightly versus the Thunder Titanium.
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Quote from: anon on November 07, 2020, 01:45:27 PM
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has anyone tried thunder hangers + venture baseplates?
if they fit, it may solve the nose/tailslide issue
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Would this just be too much to try mixing brands as well?  I know you have both Thunder and Venture trucks there...

Probably shouldn't even think about it, but I do recall seeing others with mix and match and it worked moderately well at the time.

I draw the line at mixing brands of hangers and baseplates. I'll stick to the Thunders and ride them till oblivion, just learn to pop slightly softer and adjust my timing; ie stop being a little bitch.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 11, 2020, 06:00:25 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on November 11, 2020, 08:24:42 AM

I draw the line at mixing brands of hangers and baseplates. I'll stick to the Thunders and ride them till oblivion, just learn to pop slightly softer and adjust my timing; ie stop being a little bitch.

I would never mix and match different brand parts - it just seems wrong - but as you said, you can try the team baseplates / forged baseplates with different hangers and combinations to work out something.

With others asking if it could be done, it is all down to see what you have and do what you want with what you've got.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on November 12, 2020, 06:28:33 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/RvKqNdJ/22494433-8691-4-BA6-A62-B-2250-DCEF5602.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RvKqNdJ)
New shape on Thunder baseplates, to hold kingpin nut. I remember it being more squared off before. Obviously to add your own inverted kingpin you would still want some JB Weld unless you’re the set it and forget it type.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on November 12, 2020, 06:57:25 AM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on November 12, 2020, 06:28:33 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/RvKqNdJ/22494433-8691-4-BA6-A62-B-2250-DCEF5602.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RvKqNdJ)
New shape on Thunder baseplates, to hold kingpin nut. I remember it being more squared off before. Obviously to add your own inverted kingpin you would still want some JB Weld unless you’re the set it and forget it type.

Why? That shape looks like it would hold the nut in place from spinning around.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on November 12, 2020, 06:59:50 AM
Quote from: Sk.A.T.A.N on November 12, 2020, 06:57:25 AM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on November 12, 2020, 06:28:33 AM
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(https://i.ibb.co/RvKqNdJ/22494433-8691-4-BA6-A62-B-2250-DCEF5602.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RvKqNdJ)
New shape on Thunder baseplates, to hold kingpin nut. I remember it being more squared off before. Obviously to add your own inverted kingpin you would still want some JB Weld unless you’re the set it and forget it type.
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Why? That shape looks like it would hold the nut in place from spinning around.
For bushing swap without removing the baseplates from the deck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lloyd Braun on November 12, 2020, 02:37:30 PM
Anyone ever put Krux inverted king pins on ventures? I posted in the venture thread no reply. I already ordered them just curious if anyone has and whether or not you liked it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on November 13, 2020, 01:08:08 PM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 12, 2020, 02:37:30 PM
Anyone ever put Krux inverted king pins on ventures? I posted in the venture thread no reply. I already ordered them just curious if anyone has and whether or not you liked it.
not trying to cuss on your idea, i dont know why you'd want to. ventures are the one truck you'd never need it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lloyd Braun on November 14, 2020, 06:59:03 AM
Quote from: pointandclick on November 13, 2020, 01:08:08 PM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 12, 2020, 02:37:30 PM
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Anyone ever put Krux inverted king pins on ventures? I posted in the venture thread no reply. I already ordered them just curious if anyone has and whether or not you liked it.
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not trying to cuss on your idea, i dont know why you'd want to. ventures are the one truck you'd never need it.

I skate my trucks to the axels and once they get ground down a ways I grind the shit out of my kingpins on smiths/feebles and have noticed I have to put more effort into doing them. I’m hoping it will help with smiths on concrete ledges as well which I always struggle with.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on November 14, 2020, 07:09:31 AM
Quote from: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on November 08, 2020, 06:42:09 PM
Without risers, I wouldn’t go larger than 54 on cast thunders.

he he i ride <40mm wheels and still get wheelbite doing flatground tricks :(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on November 15, 2020, 06:23:27 AM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 14, 2020, 06:59:03 AM
Quote from: pointandclick on November 13, 2020, 01:08:08 PM
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Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 12, 2020, 02:37:30 PM
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Anyone ever put Krux inverted king pins on ventures? I posted in the venture thread no reply. I already ordered them just curious if anyone has and whether or not you liked it.
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not trying to cuss on your idea, i dont know why you'd want to. ventures are the one truck you'd never need it.
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I skate my trucks to the axels and once they get ground down a ways I grind the shit out of my kingpins on smiths/feebles and have noticed I have to put more effort into doing them. I’m hoping it will help with smiths on concrete ledges as well which I always struggle with.
Are you riding the Lows?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 15, 2020, 03:05:44 PM
Anyone else used an angle grinder on the kingpins if you have worn the hanger down so much that the kingpin catches?

I haven't needed to do that at all with the Stage 11 standard Indys, but did with almost all my older trucks and for lots of others.  It was fairly common to get a bit more life out of them, between cutting the bushings down and getting the kingpin nut down lower and taking off the top of the kingpin once the trucks were at the right point for the skater.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lloyd Braun on November 15, 2020, 04:53:27 PM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on November 15, 2020, 06:23:27 AM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 14, 2020, 06:59:03 AM
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Quote from: pointandclick on November 13, 2020, 01:08:08 PM
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Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 12, 2020, 02:37:30 PM
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Anyone ever put Krux inverted king pins on ventures? I posted in the venture thread no reply. I already ordered them just curious if anyone has and whether or not you liked it.
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not trying to cuss on your idea, i dont know why you'd want to. ventures are the one truck you'd never need it.
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I skate my trucks to the axels and once they get ground down a ways I grind the shit out of my kingpins on smiths/feebles and have noticed I have to put more effort into doing them. I’m hoping it will help with smiths on concrete ledges as well which I always struggle with.
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Are you riding the Lows?

Nope. 5.8 hi’s. The standard ones
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on November 16, 2020, 08:29:39 AM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 15, 2020, 04:53:27 PM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on November 15, 2020, 06:23:27 AM
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Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 14, 2020, 06:59:03 AM
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Quote from: pointandclick on November 13, 2020, 01:08:08 PM
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Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 12, 2020, 02:37:30 PM
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Anyone ever put Krux inverted king pins on ventures? I posted in the venture thread no reply. I already ordered them just curious if anyone has and whether or not you liked it.
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not trying to cuss on your idea, i dont know why you'd want to. ventures are the one truck you'd never need it.
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I skate my trucks to the axels and once they get ground down a ways I grind the shit out of my kingpins on smiths/feebles and have noticed I have to put more effort into doing them. I’m hoping it will help with smiths on concrete ledges as well which I always struggle with.
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Are you riding the Lows?
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Nope. 5.8 hi’s. The standard ones
Damn! Props on dipping those smith grinds!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 09:00:13 AM
Thanks! I really only notice After skating them for 4 months or so. I hate changing trucks just wanna make em last.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on November 16, 2020, 01:42:01 PM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 09:00:13 AM
Thanks! I really only notice After skating them for 4 months or so. I hate changing trucks just wanna make em last.


because i am an asshole....i do not believe you. (ventures have hella clearance, let us see a pic)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 02:12:41 PM
Quote from: Ok on November 16, 2020, 01:42:01 PM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 09:00:13 AM
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Thanks! I really only notice After skating them for 4 months or so. I hate changing trucks just wanna make em last.
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because i am an asshole....i do not believe you. (ventures have hella clearance, let us see a pic)

https://ibb.co/b6Y9qMZ

https://ibb.co/wg4VhPT


Idk how to make the pic appear just the link (anyone wanna hit me with the tip I’d appreciate it)

Edit: this is the pair I skated before these (about 8 months ago)

https://ibb.co/w6q74wn



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 16, 2020, 04:18:22 PM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 02:12:41 PM

https://ibb.co/b6Y9qMZ

https://ibb.co/wg4VhPT


Idk how to make the pic appear just the link (anyone wanna hit me with the tip I’d appreciate it)

Edit: this is the pair I skated before these (about 8 months ago)

https://ibb.co/w6q74wn

So good to see someone actually use their trucks to the fullest.

Too many people come through and think it is time to change out trucks once they get a small groove.

On the down side, once you have spent that much time on a set and they are demolished, it takes a bit to get used to new ones, so I feel your pain there.

* The "Add image to post" directly below this text box should allow you to upload an image to the post, which does it all so you don't need to cut and paste the link or do anything else.  I just tried it from a desktop computer and worked, but it could be different from a phone or something else.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 04:52:54 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on November 16, 2020, 04:18:22 PM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 02:12:41 PM
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https://ibb.co/b6Y9qMZ

https://ibb.co/wg4VhPT


Idk how to make the pic appear just the link (anyone wanna hit me with the tip I’d appreciate it)

Edit: this is the pair I skated before these (about 8 months ago)

https://ibb.co/w6q74wn
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So good to see someone actually use their trucks to the fullest.

Too many people come through and think it is time to change out trucks once they get a small groove.

On the down side, once you have spent that much time on a set and they are demolished, it takes a bit to get used to new ones, so I feel your pain there.

* The "Add image to post" directly below this text box should allow you to upload an image to the post, which does it all so you don't need to cut and paste the link or do anything else.  I just tried it from a desktop computer and worked, but it could be different from a phone or something else.




Thanks a lot man! Me personally I hate new trucks, not so much that they are tough to break in (which isn't near as bad as it was say 5 years ago) but just hate looking down at fresh trucks, I like to see them thrashed. I've been trying to grind one til it breaks for the last two pairs I've had. I take them to axel, which is usually 3-5 months before it peeks out but have ended up setting up new ones because I feel like they grind worse once your on the axel. Can anyone confirm or am I crazy?

As for the pics what you said worked.
Current set (venture 5.8 high)
(https://i.ibb.co/sgYY0TX/E6960-B23-10-FC-40-AA-ADE3-5632579-F62-FE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sgYY0TX)

(https://i.ibb.co/yphf5YD/05-E33085-51-AB-446-B-BFA0-207-B7-C285-CF2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yphf5YD)


Previous set (venture 5.8 high)
(https://i.ibb.co/vhvvLkD/90-C208-AD-5-D4-A-4-F0-F-B3-C2-E41-C778-C9287.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vhvvLkD)nsbr (https://nonprofitlight.com/la/baton-rouge/nsbr-f-gardere)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on November 16, 2020, 05:53:28 PM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 04:52:54 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on November 16, 2020, 04:18:22 PM
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Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 02:12:41 PM
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https://ibb.co/b6Y9qMZ

https://ibb.co/wg4VhPT


Idk how to make the pic appear just the link (anyone wanna hit me with the tip I’d appreciate it)

Edit: this is the pair I skated before these (about 8 months ago)

https://ibb.co/w6q74wn
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So good to see someone actually use their trucks to the fullest.

Too many people come through and think it is time to change out trucks once they get a small groove.

On the down side, once you have spent that much time on a set and they are demolished, it takes a bit to get used to new ones, so I feel your pain there.

* The "Add image to post" directly below this text box should allow you to upload an image to the post, which does it all so you don't need to cut and paste the link or do anything else.  I just tried it from a desktop computer and worked, but it could be different from a phone or something else.



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Thanks a lot man! Me personally I hate new trucks, not so much that they are tough to break in (which isn't near as bad as it was say 5 years ago) but just hate looking down at fresh trucks, I like to see them thrashed. I've been trying to grind one til it breaks for the last two pairs I've had. I take them to axel, which is usually 3-5 months before it peeks out but have ended up setting up new ones because I feel like they grind worse once your on the axel. Can anyone confirm or am I crazy?

As for the pics what you said worked.
Current set (venture 5.8 high)
(https://i.ibb.co/sgYY0TX/E6960-B23-10-FC-40-AA-ADE3-5632579-F62-FE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sgYY0TX)

(https://i.ibb.co/yphf5YD/05-E33085-51-AB-446-B-BFA0-207-B7-C285-CF2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yphf5YD)


Previous set (venture 5.8 high)
(https://i.ibb.co/vhvvLkD/90-C208-AD-5-D4-A-4-F0-F-B3-C2-E41-C778-C9287.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vhvvLkD)nsbr (https://nonprofitlight.com/la/baton-rouge/nsbr-f-gardere)
Those are beautiful man
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on November 16, 2020, 05:59:36 PM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 04:52:54 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on November 16, 2020, 04:18:22 PM
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https://ibb.co/wg4VhPT


Idk how to make the pic appear just the link (anyone wanna hit me with the tip I’d appreciate it)

Edit: this is the pair I skated before these (about 8 months ago)

https://ibb.co/w6q74wn
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So good to see someone actually use their trucks to the fullest.

Too many people come through and think it is time to change out trucks once they get a small groove.

On the down side, once you have spent that much time on a set and they are demolished, it takes a bit to get used to new ones, so I feel your pain there.

* The "Add image to post" directly below this text box should allow you to upload an image to the post, which does it all so you don't need to cut and paste the link or do anything else.  I just tried it from a desktop computer and worked, but it could be different from a phone or something else.



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Thanks a lot man! Me personally I hate new trucks, not so much that they are tough to break in (which isn't near as bad as it was say 5 years ago) but just hate looking down at fresh trucks, I like to see them thrashed. I've been trying to grind one til it breaks for the last two pairs I've had. I take them to axel, which is usually 3-5 months before it peeks out but have ended up setting up new ones because I feel like they grind worse once your on the axel. Can anyone confirm or am I crazy?

As for the pics what you said worked.
Current set (venture 5.8 high)
(https://i.ibb.co/sgYY0TX/E6960-B23-10-FC-40-AA-ADE3-5632579-F62-FE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sgYY0TX)

(https://i.ibb.co/yphf5YD/05-E33085-51-AB-446-B-BFA0-207-B7-C285-CF2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yphf5YD)


Previous set (venture 5.8 high)
(https://i.ibb.co/vhvvLkD/90-C208-AD-5-D4-A-4-F0-F-B3-C2-E41-C778-C9287.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vhvvLkD)nsbr (https://nonprofitlight.com/la/baton-rouge/nsbr-f-gardere)

color me impressed!! goddamn. the kingpin on venture hi's is so low, i was like this person tripping for sure. nice work, nice work.
im an asshole. and one that needs to do more grinds.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 06:17:58 PM
Thanks guys!


@ok Learn slappies, easiest most satisfying way to get in a bunch of grinds. I also basically never flip my board or skate tranny pretty much just curbs and ledges.

 I will more than likely be setting up a new pair of 5.8's after this board is done, probably just X-Mas complete as I haven't had all new shit for like 5 years. I'm gonna try the Krux kingpins maybe they'll hope maybe they will suck. I'll report back
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lou Strux on November 16, 2020, 06:45:26 PM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 04:52:54 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on November 16, 2020, 04:18:22 PM
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Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 02:12:41 PM
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https://ibb.co/b6Y9qMZ

https://ibb.co/wg4VhPT


Idk how to make the pic appear just the link (anyone wanna hit me with the tip I’d appreciate it)

Edit: this is the pair I skated before these (about 8 months ago)

https://ibb.co/w6q74wn
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So good to see someone actually use their trucks to the fullest.

Too many people come through and think it is time to change out trucks once they get a small groove.

On the down side, once you have spent that much time on a set and they are demolished, it takes a bit to get used to new ones, so I feel your pain there.

* The "Add image to post" directly below this text box should allow you to upload an image to the post, which does it all so you don't need to cut and paste the link or do anything else.  I just tried it from a desktop computer and worked, but it could be different from a phone or something else.



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Thanks a lot man! Me personally I hate new trucks, not so much that they are tough to break in (which isn't near as bad as it was say 5 years ago) but just hate looking down at fresh trucks, I like to see them thrashed. I've been trying to grind one til it breaks for the last two pairs I've had. I take them to axel, which is usually 3-5 months before it peeks out but have ended up setting up new ones because I feel like they grind worse once your on the axel. Can anyone confirm or am I crazy?
Weird, because I feel like my trucks grind best when they’re on/into the axel. Something about the harder steel not deforming as much, more like skimming across the surface. At least on concrete.
I dunno; maybe I’m the crazy one?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 07:31:29 PM
Quote from: Lou Strux on November 16, 2020, 06:45:26 PM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 04:52:54 PM
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Quote from: Mbrimson88 on November 16, 2020, 04:18:22 PM
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Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 02:12:41 PM
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https://ibb.co/b6Y9qMZ

https://ibb.co/wg4VhPT


Idk how to make the pic appear just the link (anyone wanna hit me with the tip I’d appreciate it)

Edit: this is the pair I skated before these (about 8 months ago)

https://ibb.co/w6q74wn
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So good to see someone actually use their trucks to the fullest.

Too many people come through and think it is time to change out trucks once they get a small groove.

On the down side, once you have spent that much time on a set and they are demolished, it takes a bit to get used to new ones, so I feel your pain there.

* The "Add image to post" directly below this text box should allow you to upload an image to the post, which does it all so you don't need to cut and paste the link or do anything else.  I just tried it from a desktop computer and worked, but it could be different from a phone or something else.



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Thanks a lot man! Me personally I hate new trucks, not so much that they are tough to break in (which isn't near as bad as it was say 5 years ago) but just hate looking down at fresh trucks, I like to see them thrashed. I've been trying to grind one til it breaks for the last two pairs I've had. I take them to axel, which is usually 3-5 months before it peeks out but have ended up setting up new ones because I feel like they grind worse once your on the axel. Can anyone confirm or am I crazy?
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Weird, because I feel like my trucks grind best when they’re on/into the axel. Something about the harder steel not deforming as much, more like skimming across the surface. At least on concrete.
I dunno; maybe I’m the crazy one?

Yeah I mean I could totally just be making it up. A friend said it at the local park one day and ever since then can’t get it out of my head haha.

What you said makes sense though. Harder steel you’d think would grind better at least not on metal.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on November 16, 2020, 11:23:20 PM
Quote from: Ok on November 16, 2020, 05:59:36 PM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 04:52:54 PM
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Quote from: Mbrimson88 on November 16, 2020, 04:18:22 PM
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Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 02:12:41 PM
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https://ibb.co/b6Y9qMZ

https://ibb.co/wg4VhPT


Idk how to make the pic appear just the link (anyone wanna hit me with the tip I’d appreciate it)

Edit: this is the pair I skated before these (about 8 months ago)

https://ibb.co/w6q74wn
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So good to see someone actually use their trucks to the fullest.

Too many people come through and think it is time to change out trucks once they get a small groove.

On the down side, once you have spent that much time on a set and they are demolished, it takes a bit to get used to new ones, so I feel your pain there.

* The "Add image to post" directly below this text box should allow you to upload an image to the post, which does it all so you don't need to cut and paste the link or do anything else.  I just tried it from a desktop computer and worked, but it could be different from a phone or something else.



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Thanks a lot man! Me personally I hate new trucks, not so much that they are tough to break in (which isn't near as bad as it was say 5 years ago) but just hate looking down at fresh trucks, I like to see them thrashed. I've been trying to grind one til it breaks for the last two pairs I've had. I take them to axel, which is usually 3-5 months before it peeks out but have ended up setting up new ones because I feel like they grind worse once your on the axel. Can anyone confirm or am I crazy?

As for the pics what you said worked.
Current set (venture 5.8 high)
(https://i.ibb.co/sgYY0TX/E6960-B23-10-FC-40-AA-ADE3-5632579-F62-FE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sgYY0TX)

(https://i.ibb.co/yphf5YD/05-E33085-51-AB-446-B-BFA0-207-B7-C285-CF2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yphf5YD)


Previous set (venture 5.8 high)
(https://i.ibb.co/vhvvLkD/90-C208-AD-5-D4-A-4-F0-F-B3-C2-E41-C778-C9287.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vhvvLkD)nsbr (https://nonprofitlight.com/la/baton-rouge/nsbr-f-gardere)
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color me impressed!! goddamn. the kingpin on venture hi's is so low, i was like this person tripping for sure. nice work, nice work.
im an asshole. and one that needs to do more grinds.

Is that hardware in the first pic hollow??
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 17, 2020, 08:10:26 AM
Quote from: Lou Strux on November 16, 2020, 06:45:26 PM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 04:52:54 PM
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Quote from: Mbrimson88 on November 16, 2020, 04:18:22 PM
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Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 02:12:41 PM
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https://ibb.co/b6Y9qMZ

https://ibb.co/wg4VhPT


Idk how to make the pic appear just the link (anyone wanna hit me with the tip I’d appreciate it)

Edit: this is the pair I skated before these (about 8 months ago)

https://ibb.co/w6q74wn
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So good to see someone actually use their trucks to the fullest.

Too many people come through and think it is time to change out trucks once they get a small groove.

On the down side, once you have spent that much time on a set and they are demolished, it takes a bit to get used to new ones, so I feel your pain there.

* The "Add image to post" directly below this text box should allow you to upload an image to the post, which does it all so you don't need to cut and paste the link or do anything else.  I just tried it from a desktop computer and worked, but it could be different from a phone or something else.



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Thanks a lot man! Me personally I hate new trucks, not so much that they are tough to break in (which isn't near as bad as it was say 5 years ago) but just hate looking down at fresh trucks, I like to see them thrashed. I've been trying to grind one til it breaks for the last two pairs I've had. I take them to axel, which is usually 3-5 months before it peeks out but have ended up setting up new ones because I feel like they grind worse once your on the axel. Can anyone confirm or am I crazy?
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Weird, because I feel like my trucks grind best when they’re on/into the axel. Something about the harder steel not deforming as much, more like skimming across the surface. At least on concrete.
I dunno; maybe I’m the crazy one?

I think axle grinds better also.  And the smell... the smell of grinds.... damn I need to go skateboarding...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lloyd Braun on November 17, 2020, 01:22:18 PM
Quote from: drinny on November 16, 2020, 11:23:20 PM
Quote from: Ok on November 16, 2020, 05:59:36 PM
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Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 04:52:54 PM
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Quote from: Mbrimson88 on November 16, 2020, 04:18:22 PM
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Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 16, 2020, 02:12:41 PM
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https://ibb.co/b6Y9qMZ

https://ibb.co/wg4VhPT


Idk how to make the pic appear just the link (anyone wanna hit me with the tip I’d appreciate it)

Edit: this is the pair I skated before these (about 8 months ago)

https://ibb.co/w6q74wn
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So good to see someone actually use their trucks to the fullest.

Too many people come through and think it is time to change out trucks once they get a small groove.

On the down side, once you have spent that much time on a set and they are demolished, it takes a bit to get used to new ones, so I feel your pain there.

* The "Add image to post" directly below this text box should allow you to upload an image to the post, which does it all so you don't need to cut and paste the link or do anything else.  I just tried it from a desktop computer and worked, but it could be different from a phone or something else.



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Thanks a lot man! Me personally I hate new trucks, not so much that they are tough to break in (which isn't near as bad as it was say 5 years ago) but just hate looking down at fresh trucks, I like to see them thrashed. I've been trying to grind one til it breaks for the last two pairs I've had. I take them to axel, which is usually 3-5 months before it peeks out but have ended up setting up new ones because I feel like they grind worse once your on the axel. Can anyone confirm or am I crazy?

As for the pics what you said worked.
Current set (venture 5.8 high)
(https://i.ibb.co/sgYY0TX/E6960-B23-10-FC-40-AA-ADE3-5632579-F62-FE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sgYY0TX)

(https://i.ibb.co/yphf5YD/05-E33085-51-AB-446-B-BFA0-207-B7-C285-CF2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yphf5YD)


Previous set (venture 5.8 high)
(https://i.ibb.co/vhvvLkD/90-C208-AD-5-D4-A-4-F0-F-B3-C2-E41-C778-C9287.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vhvvLkD)nsbr (https://nonprofitlight.com/la/baton-rouge/nsbr-f-gardere)
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color me impressed!! goddamn. the kingpin on venture hi's is so low, i was like this person tripping for sure. nice work, nice work.
im an asshole. and one that needs to do more grinds.
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Is that hardware in the first pic hollow??

Nah, just the pic.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on November 20, 2020, 05:10:12 PM
Anybody running 169s on 8.75?

All shops around me are out of 55s and have been contemplating getting a set 169s to replace my bent 55s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lou Strux on November 20, 2020, 05:18:39 PM
Quote from: Fat Tire on November 20, 2020, 05:10:12 PM
Anybody running 169s on 8.75?

All shops around me are out of 55s and have been contemplating getting a set 169s to replace my bent 55s.
Library’s got them 55s for $46, via parade.
Prolly others.
Here’s a link...
https://www.paradeworld.com/product/ace-trucks-polished-55-147-31695509684279/?gclid=CjwKCAiA7939BRBMEiwA-hX5J2CbgFN2IRrDfWm0R6rK6wiauhdm-tDYmHCiA3-hNJNoiD0c7uhefhoCqVUQAvD_BwE
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: slappy50 on November 20, 2020, 06:12:16 PM
im going to switch back to indy 159s from ace 55s. im stepping down to 8.75ish boards and want to use smaller trucks. I tried 55s on 8.75 and i was kinda trippin although im sure some wont notice (slap trained me to be ocd about my gear lmao). anyway, what bushings do yall reccomend for 159s so they turn similarly to aces? i have 88a but they seem quite prone to wheelbite so probably something harder than that. thanks pals and many shaloms
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on November 20, 2020, 09:17:24 PM
Quote from: slappy50 on November 20, 2020, 06:12:16 PM
im going to switch back to indy 159s from ace 55s. im stepping down to 8.75ish boards and want to use smaller trucks. I tried 55s on 8.75 and i was kinda trippin although im sure some wont notice (slap trained me to be ocd about my gear lmao). anyway, what bushings do yall reccomend for 159s so they turn similarly to aces? i have 88a but they seem quite prone to wheelbite so probably something harder than that. thanks pals and many shaloms

You can always put your Indy hangers on Ace baseplates with Ace bushings and they'll pretty much turn just like Aces. Or just throw the Ace bushings in your Indys and see if you like it that way.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: slappy50 on November 20, 2020, 09:22:22 PM
i’ve got the ace bottoms with 88a red tops right now. i haven’t really done much with it but i got earth-shattering wheelbite the first time i tried so i put a 1/8 riser and if that doesn’t help i’m gonna get so 92a bushings i think. i think jay_nev said they were good?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 20, 2020, 09:38:29 PM
Quote from: slappy50 on November 20, 2020, 09:22:22 PM
i’ve got the ace bottoms with 88a red tops right now. i haven’t really done much with it but i got earth-shattering wheelbite the first time i tried so i put a 1/8 riser and if that doesn’t help i’m gonna get so 92a bushings i think. i think jay_nev said they were good?

I also use the 92 duro bushings for how they still turn (very well) but are a bit more solid on everything, so would recommend them as well.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 20, 2020, 10:30:16 PM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on November 12, 2020, 06:28:33 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/RvKqNdJ/22494433-8691-4-BA6-A62-B-2250-DCEF5602.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RvKqNdJ)
New shape on Thunder baseplates, to hold kingpin nut. I remember it being more squared off before. Obviously to add your own inverted kingpin you would still want some JB Weld unless you’re the set it and forget it type.

Yup def new shape to hold onto the upcoming inverted pin...but not secure like the indy one or film style (still the best design imo).

I think if you mind what you're doing during setup (flush or more) you should be fine...shit, I might have to start counting turns to ensure I don't go too loose...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 21, 2020, 02:10:06 AM
Quote from: Xen on November 20, 2020, 10:30:16 PM

I think if you mind what you're doing during setup (flush or more) you should be fine...shit, I might have to start counting turns to ensure I don't go too loose...

It is interesting / a bit weird thinking about it.

A normal board you can easily see where the kingpin nut is and that is how I know where to have it so the bushings are just right straight out of the box, if setting up a new set of trucks, eg the kingpin nut one thread down if or when I set up a new board, but this is totally different.

If you are needing the trucks looser the kingpin might be sitting too high, or even come out, or if you need them tighter, can you tighten them down too much and bury into the deck, or run out of thread on the kingpin...

Happy to say my regular kingpins are good where they are, but I can definitely see the use of having inverted kingpins.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on November 25, 2020, 06:38:56 AM
Tensor is selling their bushings and pivot cups aftermarket now
(https://i.ibb.co/GFSGNJ6/9-B55-C9-DE-2892-4-EBA-946-D-4-F3-BC2-CF4274.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GFSGNJ6)


(https://i.ibb.co/7r2X1mS/59-AB15-B8-7478-4-CF6-94-D5-7949-E1176-E1-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7r2X1mS)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mbam003 on November 27, 2020, 01:36:33 PM
Bought a set of Bones Hard bushings, no Bones washers in the package. The instructions said to use your own top washers. What's up with that, is this a hard thing, because I'm pretty sure the mediums I ordered this summer had Bones washers. Bummed about that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on November 27, 2020, 01:42:19 PM
Quote from: mbam003 on November 27, 2020, 01:36:33 PM
Bought a set of Bones Hard bushings, no Bones washers in the package. The instructions said to use your own top washers. What's up with that, is this a hard thing, because I'm pretty sure the mediums I ordered this summer had Bones washers. Bummed about that.

sounds like old stock, i'm pretty sure a box i bought ages ago didn't have the washers. they work with the standard washers but might dig in a little bit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mbam003 on November 27, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
Quote from: sketchyrider on November 27, 2020, 01:42:19 PM
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Bought a set of Bones Hard bushings, no Bones washers in the package. The instructions said to use your own top washers. What's up with that, is this a hard thing, because I'm pretty sure the mediums I ordered this summer had Bones washers. Bummed about that.
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sounds like old stock, i'm pretty sure a box i bought ages ago didn't have the washers. they work with the standard washers but might dig in a little bit.

Yeah, they were a bit cheaper too, I guess it would make sense to have a cheaper set if you already have tons of washers from old sets. A webshop I sometimes use explicitly says Bones Hardcore Hard Bushings incl. washers. But those weren't the ones I bought. You get what you pay for etc and now I'll be paying for 2 sets :) Also I'm sure the washers weren't "borrowed" by someone as the instructions in the package actually say to use your own washers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jakeumms on November 27, 2020, 02:38:57 PM
^You positive they aren't bootleg? There's a lot of bootleg gear out there these days.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mbam003 on November 27, 2020, 02:46:07 PM
Quote from: jakeumms on November 27, 2020, 02:38:57 PM
^You positive they aren't bootleg? There's a lot of bootleg gear out there these days.

Don't think so, I have bought mountains of gear from my local shop from every thinkable brand (including Bones wheels and bearings). The bushings also work really well. I shot Skate One a message just in case.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 27, 2020, 04:30:54 PM
Quote from: mbam003 on November 27, 2020, 01:36:33 PM
Bought a set of Bones Hard bushings, no Bones washers in the package. The instructions said to use your own top washers. What's up with that, is this a hard thing, because I'm pretty sure the mediums I ordered this summer had Bones washers. Bummed about that.

Definitely old stock.  It took them a while to actually have anything else in the packaging, but the two slim flat washers are relatively recent, compared to how long they have been making them.

Anyone remember when they only came in single truck sets too?  That is going back even longer.


Also, this is the sort of thing you can get from a hardware store, just the flat washers with 12mm inner or so.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 28, 2020, 07:44:55 AM
Someone bring me out of truck psychosis here. Lots of being cooped up inside and thinking about gear. I've never tried Ventures and I want to try the cast ones that don't extend the wheelbase any longer than they already are. When I dial them in with the right bushings am I still going to hate these trucks since I'm an Ace head?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 28, 2020, 08:01:34 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on November 28, 2020, 07:44:55 AM
Someone bring me out of truck psychosis here. Lots of being cooped up inside and thinking about gear. I've never tried Ventures and I want to try the cast ones that don't extend the wheelbase any longer than they already are. When I dial them in with the right bushings am I still going to hate these trucks since I'm an Ace head?

I don't want to fuel the madness but I go back and forth between venture and ace a lot. I love the turn and grind on the aces but the pop on ventures is just effortless and with a harder bushing and flat washer the turn is pretty excellent.

Regarding what you said about WB, even the cast stretch it a lot compared to ace. I have a pop with a 14.25" WB and venture a shaped board with a 14.8" WB with aces. The pop with ventures ends up with like a 1/8" longer WB. You probably are accounting for that already but I wanted to put it out there because I thought it was pretty wild.

Edit: only chiming in on this because I hate the madness this is causing me and don't want to feel alone in it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 28, 2020, 08:31:09 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on November 28, 2020, 08:01:34 AM
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Someone bring me out of truck psychosis here. Lots of being cooped up inside and thinking about gear. I've never tried Ventures and I want to try the cast ones that don't extend the wheelbase any longer than they already are. When I dial them in with the right bushings am I still going to hate these trucks since I'm an Ace head?
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I don't want to fuel the madness but I go back and forth between venture and ace a lot. I love the turn and grind on the aces but the pop on ventures is just effortless and with a harder bushing and flat washer the turn is pretty excellent.

Regarding what you said about WB, even the cast stretch it a lot compared to ace. I have a pop with a 14.25" WB and venture a shaped board with a 14.8" WB with aces. The pop with ventures ends up with like a 1/8" longer WB. You probably are accounting for that already but I wanted to put it out there because I thought it was pretty wild.

Edit: only chiming in on this because I hate the madness this is causing me and don't want to feel alone in it.

Thanks man. I think the stability and kingpin clearance are the main factors in me wanting to try them. Ace are more stable than Indy but sometimes I still find them feeling a bit squirrely under my feet depending on what I'm doing. If Ventures can still carve a bowl and allow me to slappy I'm willing to give them a shot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 28, 2020, 09:02:19 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on November 28, 2020, 08:31:09 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on November 28, 2020, 08:01:34 AM
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Quote from: Diocletian on November 28, 2020, 07:44:55 AM
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Someone bring me out of truck psychosis here. Lots of being cooped up inside and thinking about gear. I've never tried Ventures and I want to try the cast ones that don't extend the wheelbase any longer than they already are. When I dial them in with the right bushings am I still going to hate these trucks since I'm an Ace head?
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I don't want to fuel the madness but I go back and forth between venture and ace a lot. I love the turn and grind on the aces but the pop on ventures is just effortless and with a harder bushing and flat washer the turn is pretty excellent.

Regarding what you said about WB, even the cast stretch it a lot compared to ace. I have a pop with a 14.25" WB and venture a shaped board with a 14.8" WB with aces. The pop with ventures ends up with like a 1/8" longer WB. You probably are accounting for that already but I wanted to put it out there because I thought it was pretty wild.

Edit: only chiming in on this because I hate the madness this is causing me and don't want to feel alone in it.
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Thanks man. I think the stability and kingpin clearance are the main factors in me wanting to try them. Ace are more stable than Indy but sometimes I still find them feeling a bit squirrely under my feet depending on what I'm doing. If Ventures can still carve a bowl and allow me to slappy I'm willing to give them a shot.

Can't speak for bowls but I would probably be considered a slappy skater and I love them. They definitely need the flat top washer to make them surfy enough, though. I'm like 205 so I also run a harder bushing in mine (94-96) to keep the turn nice and controlled.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 28, 2020, 09:27:01 AM
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Someone bring me out of truck psychosis here. Lots of being cooped up inside and thinking about gear. I've never tried Ventures and I want to try the cast ones that don't extend the wheelbase any longer than they already are. When I dial them in with the right bushings am I still going to hate these trucks since I'm an Ace head?
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I don't want to fuel the madness but I go back and forth between venture and ace a lot. I love the turn and grind on the aces but the pop on ventures is just effortless and with a harder bushing and flat washer the turn is pretty excellent.

Regarding what you said about WB, even the cast stretch it a lot compared to ace. I have a pop with a 14.25" WB and venture a shaped board with a 14.8" WB with aces. The pop with ventures ends up with like a 1/8" longer WB. You probably are accounting for that already but I wanted to put it out there because I thought it was pretty wild.

Edit: only chiming in on this because I hate the madness this is causing me and don't want to feel alone in it.
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Thanks man. I think the stability and kingpin clearance are the main factors in me wanting to try them. Ace are more stable than Indy but sometimes I still find them feeling a bit squirrely under my feet depending on what I'm doing. If Ventures can still carve a bowl and allow me to slappy I'm willing to give them a shot.
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Can't speak for bowls but I would probably be considered a slappy skater and I love them. They definitely need the flat top washer to make them surfy enough, though. I'm like 205 so I also run a harder bushing in mine (94-96) to keep the turn nice and controlled.

Yeah, no matter what truck I ALWAYS ditch the top washer and if I really need one, I use the Bones flat washer. I saw this vid of this gentleman explaining his experience with slappies using Ventures, and it has me second guessing now. What are your thoughts? www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew_N9SvjhD0
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: RichardBarkley on November 28, 2020, 09:28:19 AM
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Someone bring me out of truck psychosis here. Lots of being cooped up inside and thinking about gear. I've never tried Ventures and I want to try the cast ones that don't extend the wheelbase any longer than they already are. When I dial them in with the right bushings am I still going to hate these trucks since I'm an Ace head?
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I don't want to fuel the madness but I go back and forth between venture and ace a lot. I love the turn and grind on the aces but the pop on ventures is just effortless and with a harder bushing and flat washer the turn is pretty excellent.

Regarding what you said about WB, even the cast stretch it a lot compared to ace. I have a pop with a 14.25" WB and venture a shaped board with a 14.8" WB with aces. The pop with ventures ends up with like a 1/8" longer WB. You probably are accounting for that already but I wanted to put it out there because I thought it was pretty wild.

Edit: only chiming in on this because I hate the madness this is causing me and don't want to feel alone in it.
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Thanks man. I think the stability and kingpin clearance are the main factors in me wanting to try them. Ace are more stable than Indy but sometimes I still find them feeling a bit squirrely under my feet depending on what I'm doing. If Ventures can still carve a bowl and allow me to slappy I'm willing to give them a shot.
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Can't speak for bowls but I would probably be considered a slappy skater and I love them. They definitely need the flat top washer to make them surfy enough, though. I'm like 205 so I also run a harder bushing in mine (94-96) to keep the turn nice and controlled.

Ok so even though the hollow venture los extend wb. On my decks I find they still yield better pop than the casts.

I skate both on decks between 14-14.25wb
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 28, 2020, 09:45:07 AM
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Someone bring me out of truck psychosis here. Lots of being cooped up inside and thinking about gear. I've never tried Ventures and I want to try the cast ones that don't extend the wheelbase any longer than they already are. When I dial them in with the right bushings am I still going to hate these trucks since I'm an Ace head?
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I don't want to fuel the madness but I go back and forth between venture and ace a lot. I love the turn and grind on the aces but the pop on ventures is just effortless and with a harder bushing and flat washer the turn is pretty excellent.

Regarding what you said about WB, even the cast stretch it a lot compared to ace. I have a pop with a 14.25" WB and venture a shaped board with a 14.8" WB with aces. The pop with ventures ends up with like a 1/8" longer WB. You probably are accounting for that already but I wanted to put it out there because I thought it was pretty wild.

Edit: only chiming in on this because I hate the madness this is causing me and don't want to feel alone in it.
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Thanks man. I think the stability and kingpin clearance are the main factors in me wanting to try them. Ace are more stable than Indy but sometimes I still find them feeling a bit squirrely under my feet depending on what I'm doing. If Ventures can still carve a bowl and allow me to slappy I'm willing to give them a shot.
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Can't speak for bowls but I would probably be considered a slappy skater and I love them. They definitely need the flat top washer to make them surfy enough, though. I'm like 205 so I also run a harder bushing in mine (94-96) to keep the turn nice and controlled.
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Yeah, no matter what truck I ALWAYS ditch the top washer and if I really need one, I use the Bones flat washer. I saw this vid of this gentleman explaining his experience with slappies using Ventures, and it has me second guessing now. What are your thoughts? www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew_N9SvjhD0

They definitely grind down faster than Indy due to the hanger being less meaty but not as fast as Ace from my experience. The aluminum feels exactly like Indy to me.

I've had no issues with durability or QC, though, no bent axles or anything like that. I also don't skate the stock bushings just because 90a is too soft for me but I know a lot of people mention the stocks blowing out. As far as what he was saying about the smiths...I don't do a lot of them so I've never had that issue but I assume it's possible. That being said it seems a little wild to me due to the kingpin clearance in comparison to Ace or even Indy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 28, 2020, 10:13:26 AM
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Someone bring me out of truck psychosis here. Lots of being cooped up inside and thinking about gear. I've never tried Ventures and I want to try the cast ones that don't extend the wheelbase any longer than they already are. When I dial them in with the right bushings am I still going to hate these trucks since I'm an Ace head?
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I don't want to fuel the madness but I go back and forth between venture and ace a lot. I love the turn and grind on the aces but the pop on ventures is just effortless and with a harder bushing and flat washer the turn is pretty excellent.

Regarding what you said about WB, even the cast stretch it a lot compared to ace. I have a pop with a 14.25" WB and venture a shaped board with a 14.8" WB with aces. The pop with ventures ends up with like a 1/8" longer WB. You probably are accounting for that already but I wanted to put it out there because I thought it was pretty wild.

Edit: only chiming in on this because I hate the madness this is causing me and don't want to feel alone in it.
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Thanks man. I think the stability and kingpin clearance are the main factors in me wanting to try them. Ace are more stable than Indy but sometimes I still find them feeling a bit squirrely under my feet depending on what I'm doing. If Ventures can still carve a bowl and allow me to slappy I'm willing to give them a shot.
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Can't speak for bowls but I would probably be considered a slappy skater and I love them. They definitely need the flat top washer to make them surfy enough, though. I'm like 205 so I also run a harder bushing in mine (94-96) to keep the turn nice and controlled.
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Yeah, no matter what truck I ALWAYS ditch the top washer and if I really need one, I use the Bones flat washer. I saw this vid of this gentleman explaining his experience with slappies using Ventures, and it has me second guessing now. What are your thoughts? www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew_N9SvjhD0
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They definitely grind down faster than Indy due to the hanger being less meaty but not as fast as Ace from my experience. The aluminum feels exactly like Indy to me.

I've had no issues with durability or QC, though, no bent axles or anything like that. I also don't skate the stock bushings just because 90a is too soft for me but I know a lot of people mention the stocks blowing out. As far as what he was saying about the smiths...I don't do a lot of them so I've never had that issue but I assume it's possible. That being said it seems a little wild to me due to the kingpin clearance in comparison to Ace or even Indy.

Thanks a lot for all your feedback man. I weigh about the same as you, so I would need to get some proper aftermarket bushings in these. I can't decide between the 5.6's, 5.8's or the 6.1's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 28, 2020, 10:24:13 AM
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Someone bring me out of truck psychosis here. Lots of being cooped up inside and thinking about gear. I've never tried Ventures and I want to try the cast ones that don't extend the wheelbase any longer than they already are. When I dial them in with the right bushings am I still going to hate these trucks since I'm an Ace head?
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I don't want to fuel the madness but I go back and forth between venture and ace a lot. I love the turn and grind on the aces but the pop on ventures is just effortless and with a harder bushing and flat washer the turn is pretty excellent.

Regarding what you said about WB, even the cast stretch it a lot compared to ace. I have a pop with a 14.25" WB and venture a shaped board with a 14.8" WB with aces. The pop with ventures ends up with like a 1/8" longer WB. You probably are accounting for that already but I wanted to put it out there because I thought it was pretty wild.

Edit: only chiming in on this because I hate the madness this is causing me and don't want to feel alone in it.
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Thanks man. I think the stability and kingpin clearance are the main factors in me wanting to try them. Ace are more stable than Indy but sometimes I still find them feeling a bit squirrely under my feet depending on what I'm doing. If Ventures can still carve a bowl and allow me to slappy I'm willing to give them a shot.
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Can't speak for bowls but I would probably be considered a slappy skater and I love them. They definitely need the flat top washer to make them surfy enough, though. I'm like 205 so I also run a harder bushing in mine (94-96) to keep the turn nice and controlled.
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Yeah, no matter what truck I ALWAYS ditch the top washer and if I really need one, I use the Bones flat washer. I saw this vid of this gentleman explaining his experience with slappies using Ventures, and it has me second guessing now. What are your thoughts? www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew_N9SvjhD0
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They definitely grind down faster than Indy due to the hanger being less meaty but not as fast as Ace from my experience. The aluminum feels exactly like Indy to me.

I've had no issues with durability or QC, though, no bent axles or anything like that. I also don't skate the stock bushings just because 90a is too soft for me but I know a lot of people mention the stocks blowing out. As far as what he was saying about the smiths...I don't do a lot of them so I've never had that issue but I assume it's possible. That being said it seems a little wild to me due to the kingpin clearance in comparison to Ace or even Indy.
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Thanks a lot for all your feedback man. I weigh about the same as you, so I would need to get some proper aftermarket bushings in these. I can't decide between the 5.6's, 5.8's or the 6.1's.

No problem! Currently running 5.8s with Indy 96a bushings and a bones flat top washer. I've had the 5.6s and they rule but I like the 5.8s for the sake of versatility. I want some 6.1s so I can run them on a shorter WB big boy shape (Dane1 etc).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MxsDx on November 28, 2020, 04:30:12 PM
Biggest truck nerd move ever. I wanted something lower than a 3 mm (1/8 inch) riser, but couldn’t find any, so I purchased a small sheet of polycarbonate plastic online and made my own. Traced the baseplate and used simple handheld snips to cut them out. Made perfect 1.5 mm risers which basically raises a forged baseplate to the height of a cast.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: The.Tran.Man on November 28, 2020, 09:10:15 PM
Quote from: MxsDx on November 28, 2020, 04:30:12 PM
Biggest truck nerd move ever. I wanted something lower than a 3 mm (1/8 inch) riser, but couldn’t find any, so I purchased a small sheet of polycarbonate plastic online and made my own. Traced the baseplate and used simple handheld snips to cut them out. Made perfect 1.5 mm risers which basically raises a forged baseplate to the height of a cast.

let's see pictures!! this seems like a really cool idea tbh
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Hanna Schygulla on November 28, 2020, 09:54:08 PM
I am a Quiver Guy, but on my main set-up this is what I've been using and I'm really into it:
Ace 44
Riptide pivot cups
Riptide soft 85a blue barrel bottom bushing
stock white Ace top bushing

In a way this might be more of a deck/wheel-based decision, but I also use one 1/8" Modus riser trimmed down to be flush with my baseplates.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MxsDx on November 28, 2020, 11:32:40 PM
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Biggest truck nerd move ever. I wanted something lower than a 3 mm (1/8 inch) riser, but couldn’t find any, so I purchased a small sheet of polycarbonate plastic online and made my own. Traced the baseplate and used simple handheld snips to cut them out. Made perfect 1.5 mm risers which basically raises a forged baseplate to the height of a cast.
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let's see pictures!! this seems like a really cool idea tbh

Here you are...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 29, 2020, 02:10:13 AM
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Biggest truck nerd move ever. I wanted something lower than a 3 mm (1/8 inch) riser, but couldn’t find any, so I purchased a small sheet of polycarbonate plastic online and made my own. Traced the baseplate and used simple handheld snips to cut them out. Made perfect 1.5 mm risers which basically raises a forged baseplate to the height of a cast.
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let's see pictures!! this seems like a really cool idea tbh
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Here you are...

I was interested to see too.

Looks pretty good, and you don't have any overhang, which was always annoying on any risers that didn't fit nicely, or when people put them on the wrong way.

Makes the trucks sit nicely too!

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mbam003 on November 30, 2020, 08:57:07 AM
Quote from: mbam003 on November 27, 2020, 01:36:33 PM
Bought a set of Bones Hard bushings, no Bones washers in the package. The instructions said to use your own top washers. What's up with that, is this a hard thing, because I'm pretty sure the mediums I ordered this summer had Bones washers. Bummed about that.

Skate One sent me a replacement set free of charge. Thanks to the guys over there.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 35mm on November 30, 2020, 10:22:40 AM
Has anyone tried thunder 161s? Thoughts on them? I'm planning to size up boards and debating buying them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on November 30, 2020, 11:38:15 AM
Been skating my 149 forged hollows again and having weird difficulty popping out of backside crooks. The board seems to want to primo out of the pop out. Is this a function of tightness/looseness?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on November 30, 2020, 11:39:17 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on November 30, 2020, 11:38:15 AM
Been skating my 149 forged hollows again and having weird difficulty popping out of backside crooks. The board seems to want to primo out of the pop out. Is this a function of tightness/looseness?
Nah, just gotta nollie out that beast.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on November 30, 2020, 01:32:30 PM
Quote from: 35mm on November 30, 2020, 10:22:40 AM
Has anyone tried thunder 161s? Thoughts on them? I'm planning to size up boards and debating buying them.

I skated them. Didn't like them because at that board size the wheelbase is long and Thunders already have a long wheelbase. You're gonna want Ace or Indy at that size if you're interested in more snap/surf-like turns.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 30, 2020, 02:39:56 PM
Quote from: 35mm on November 30, 2020, 10:22:40 AM
Has anyone tried thunder 161s? Thoughts on them? I'm planning to size up boards and debating buying them.

What are you on now and what would change in your setup, eg going to a wider board, might be bigger, longer and with longer wheelbase?

There are a lot of wider boards out now with shorter wheelbases too, so sizing up is not necessarily going to mean longer wheelbase, but comment below is definitely true too.


Quote from: Diocletian on November 30, 2020, 01:32:30 PM

Didn't like them because at that board size the wheelbase is long and Thunders already have a long wheelbase.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lloyd Braun on November 30, 2020, 06:57:08 PM
So I tried out the Krux inverted kingpins on my Venture 5.8's. Fit great but there is nothing to keep them from turning when tightening so I JB welded them and fuck I put way too much on there because I stripped out one of the Allen bolts trying to tighten them and broke out all the JB weld. This would be fine, but I can't get the fucker out now. Anyone got any tips, ideally someone who has successfully done the inverted kingpins but on a truck that the baseplate is just a circle at the king pin?

For the JB weld, I applied onto the bottom of the nut, under where the nut sits (where I took out the standard kingpin) and then filled in the rest of the hole, which I where I think I fucked up too much got into the nut as I could only get them snug and made it impossible to tighten all of it ended up cracking out of one, which that kingpin is fine, but can't get it out, tried wedging screwdrivers in the loosening, nothing.

Said Truck that can't get kingpin out of
(https://i.ibb.co/PTn9zh3/IMG-1312.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PTn9zh3)
This one actually worked out, just stripped the Allen key hole, but fortunately I ordered 2 Sets

(https://i.ibb.co/f8jgfhk/IMG-1313.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f8jgfhk)

Looks pretty sick IMO, almost an inch of clearance.
(https://i.ibb.co/pR09gYp/IMG-1314.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pR09gYp)(https://i.ibb.co/cXXwnj2/IMG-1315.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cXXwnj2)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 01, 2020, 01:40:20 AM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on November 30, 2020, 06:57:08 PM

Looks pretty sick IMO, almost an inch of clearance.


Wow that is some heavy work there!

So although it is stuck and not going anywhere, it wouldn't happen to be done up about how you like it?

That would be nice.

So you said the allen top is stripped and the nut is loose in the baseplate?

About the only way to get the thing out is cut through the bushing and kingpin, or angle grind the top off or something like that.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JugeL on December 01, 2020, 09:03:49 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/BrZkxOl.jpg)
Not feeling the Indy inverted kingpin so gonna try if DLKs are any better. Anyone tried this already and have experiences with it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 01, 2020, 10:06:49 AM
Quote from: JugeL on December 01, 2020, 09:03:49 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/BrZkxOl.jpg)
Not feeling the Indy inverted kingpin so gonna try if DLKs are any better. Anyone tried this already and have experiences with it?

The Krux pin is a bit lower and quite a bit lighter, it also grinds better than the indy pin (shape) that's about it. Def better for slappies.

I'm running the same wheels/pin in mine as well...tho I put them to rest for a bit and switched over to ACEs and classics for a change up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sandygoat on December 01, 2020, 07:40:41 PM
I dont know if this is the wrong board but I'll give it a try. Should I tighten my trucks to have more tension on no complys. I ride my trucks pretty loose on some soft indy bushings. I wonder because they have so much give that all tension is lost. I was think that tightening them would help. Is this just a technique thing ? Any help is appreciated.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 01, 2020, 07:55:49 PM
Quote from: Sandygoat on December 01, 2020, 07:40:41 PM
I dont know if this is the wrong board but I'll give it a try. Should I tighten my trucks to have more tension on no complys. I ride my trucks pretty loose on some soft indy bushings. I wonder because they have so much give that all tension is lost. I was think that tightening them would help. Is this just a technique thing ? Any help is appreciated.

One thing that helps me (that I read on here) is to imagine you are skating on a board that is only as wide as your truck baseplates when doing some tricks. The looser I ride my trucks, the narrower the stable point of my board feels, so balancing on an 8.5 might feel more like balancing on the 2’ strip in the center whereas tighter trucks might feel more like balancing on a 4-6’ strip in the center.

Obviously there are tricks requiring tension being applied diagonally across the board, but the narrow center strip idea helps me a lot as a general rule of thumb that helps more often than not.

Hope that helps!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on December 01, 2020, 08:52:48 PM
cheaper alternatives to these motherfuckers?
https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/64181/array-machined-flat-washers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on December 01, 2020, 08:55:36 PM
Quote from: anon on December 01, 2020, 08:52:48 PM
cheaper alternatives to these motherfuckers?
https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/64181/array-machined-flat-washers
https://www.riptidesports.com/hardware/small-flat-washers/

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 02, 2020, 06:40:54 AM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on December 01, 2020, 07:55:49 PM
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I dont know if this is the wrong board but I'll give it a try. Should I tighten my trucks to have more tension on no complys. I ride my trucks pretty loose on some soft indy bushings. I wonder because they have so much give that all tension is lost. I was think that tightening them would help. Is this just a technique thing ? Any help is appreciated.
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One thing that helps me (that I read on here) is to imagine you are skating on a board that is only as wide as your truck baseplates when doing some tricks. The looser I ride my trucks, the narrower the stable point of my board feels, so balancing on an 8.5 might feel more like balancing on the 2’ strip in the center whereas tighter trucks might feel more like balancing on a 4-6’ strip in the center.

Obviously there are tricks requiring tension being applied diagonally across the board, but the narrow center strip idea helps me a lot as a general rule of thumb that helps more often than not.

Hope that helps!

Started doing this (I think assflea/banned brought it up first?) and it has been super helpful. With no complies specifically, make sure you've got enough pressure over your front foot (but not too much)...when I'm having a bad day and mine get all flappy thats usually the culprit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 02, 2020, 07:10:31 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on December 02, 2020, 06:40:54 AM
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I dont know if this is the wrong board but I'll give it a try. Should I tighten my trucks to have more tension on no complys. I ride my trucks pretty loose on some soft indy bushings. I wonder because they have so much give that all tension is lost. I was think that tightening them would help. Is this just a technique thing ? Any help is appreciated.
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One thing that helps me (that I read on here) is to imagine you are skating on a board that is only as wide as your truck baseplates when doing some tricks. The looser I ride my trucks, the narrower the stable point of my board feels, so balancing on an 8.5 might feel more like balancing on the 2’ strip in the center whereas tighter trucks might feel more like balancing on a 4-6’ strip in the center.

Obviously there are tricks requiring tension being applied diagonally across the board, but the narrow center strip idea helps me a lot as a general rule of thumb that helps more often than not.

Hope that helps!
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Started doing this (I think assflea/banned brought it up first?) and it has been super helpful. With no complies specifically, make sure you've got enough pressure over your front foot (but not too much)...when I'm having a bad day and mine get all flappy thats usually the culprit.


More pressure over the front foot for sure, that’s where the pop, power comes from.

Banned is kind and helpful!

I have also seen/heard this talk, re diagonal tension, briefly in something to do with Jeremy Wray, and more specifically in a video about Matt Rodriguez’s loose trucks.

For me there is a point where the trucks being loose becomes more of a distraction, and less about function. Loose trucks can feel good, certainly, but I start to lose pop, quickly. Tight trucks can also turn better than people might realize. All subjective and lots of rambling here
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 02, 2020, 10:47:48 AM
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I dont know if this is the wrong board but I'll give it a try. Should I tighten my trucks to have more tension on no complys. I ride my trucks pretty loose on some soft indy bushings. I wonder because they have so much give that all tension is lost. I was think that tightening them would help. Is this just a technique thing ? Any help is appreciated.
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One thing that helps me (that I read on here) is to imagine you are skating on a board that is only as wide as your truck baseplates when doing some tricks. The looser I ride my trucks, the narrower the stable point of my board feels, so balancing on an 8.5 might feel more like balancing on the 2’ strip in the center whereas tighter trucks might feel more like balancing on a 4-6’ strip in the center.

Obviously there are tricks requiring tension being applied diagonally across the board, but the narrow center strip idea helps me a lot as a general rule of thumb that helps more often than not.

Hope that helps!
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Started doing this (I think assflea/banned brought it up first?) and it has been super helpful. With no complies specifically, make sure you've got enough pressure over your front foot (but not too much)...when I'm having a bad day and mine get all flappy thats usually the culprit.
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More pressure over the front foot for sure, that’s where the pop, power comes from.

Banned is kind and helpful!

I have also seen/heard this talk, re diagonal tension, briefly in something to do with Jeremy Wray, and more specifically in a video about Matt Rodriguez’s loose trucks.

For me there is a point where the trucks being loose becomes more of a distraction, and less about function. Loose trucks can feel good, certainly, but I start to lose pop, quickly. Tight trucks can also turn better than people might realize. All subjective and lots of rambling here

Interesting, do you know which Matt Rodriguez video it was in? I love needing out about technical stuff like this.

I agree, I go through phases where I want my trucks to be wobbly loose, and I love pushing around and carving on tricks like that but I’m not skillful to maintain any of my tricks and still be comfortable like that, so I usually tighten them up where they are still loose, but stable enough for me to set up on tricks.

The thing I like about wobbly loose is that it feels like I’m riding something that’s a little uncontrollable, and unpredictable like I’m skating on an animal or something haha. But then I can’t trust even basic shit like ollies and I’ve slammed pretty bad skating in traffic from having inconsistent control.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 02, 2020, 02:23:03 PM
Quote from: anon on December 01, 2020, 08:52:48 PM
cheaper alternatives to these motherfuckers?
https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/64181/array-machined-flat-washers

https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/54091/array-machined-barrel-sleeved-washer-cone-sleeved-washer-combo-pack-four-pack

I'm using these and they turn any bushing that isn't Bones into Bones but ones that will never break. The snap back to center feels amazing. Worth every penny.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on December 02, 2020, 02:34:36 PM
don't forget Tensor started selling their interlocking bushings and are amazing. 90a. I've used with the standard ATG washers and have been fine.

INTERLOCKING BUSHINGS - Better control
The unique shape of these bushing interlocks with the truck hanger. Keeping the bushing perfectly centered ensure that the bushing responds evenly
https://tgmskateboards.com/tensor-truck-bushings-interlock-90a-white-for-2-trucks/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAk53-BRD0ARIsAJuNhpvkswAY27BjnHaTJOxasR5bMg2JajIDPPzvRPieehdMXFOR7lIuSssaAuh5EALw_wcB
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sandygoat on December 02, 2020, 06:35:35 PM
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I dont know if this is the wrong board but I'll give it a try. Should I tighten my trucks to have more tension on no complys. I ride my trucks pretty loose on some soft indy bushings. I wonder because they have so much give that all tension is lost. I was think that tightening them would help. Is this just a technique thing ? Any help is appreciated.
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One thing that helps me (that I read on here) is to imagine you are skating on a board that is only as wide as your truck baseplates when doing some tricks. The looser I ride my trucks, the narrower the stable point of my board feels, so balancing on an 8.5 might feel more like balancing on the 2’ strip in the center whereas tighter trucks might feel more like balancing on a 4-6’ strip in the center.

Obviously there are tricks requiring tension being applied diagonally across the board, but the narrow center strip idea helps me a lot as a general rule of thumb that helps more often than not.

Hope that helps!
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Started doing this (I think assflea/banned brought it up first?) and it has been super helpful. With no complies specifically, make sure you've got enough pressure over your front foot (but not too much)...when I'm having a bad day and mine get all flappy thats usually the culprit.
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More pressure over the front foot for sure, that’s where the pop, power comes from.

Banned is kind and helpful!

I have also seen/heard this talk, re diagonal tension, briefly in something to do with Jeremy Wray, and more specifically in a video about Matt Rodriguez’s loose trucks.

For me there is a point where the trucks being loose becomes more of a distraction, and less about function. Loose trucks can feel good, certainly, but I start to lose pop, quickly. Tight trucks can also turn better than people might realize. All subjective and lots of rambling here
I used to ride my bushings in the middle but they start to shred really quickly. I tightened them yesterday so I'll give it another try. I knew they were too loose when I tried to throw my board but i stumbled off because the bushing were too tight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 02, 2020, 06:44:45 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on December 02, 2020, 02:34:36 PM
don't forget Tensor started selling their interlocking bushings and are amazing. 90a. I've used with the standard ATG washers and have been fine.

INTERLOCKING BUSHINGS - Better control
The unique shape of these bushing interlocks with the truck hanger. Keeping the bushing perfectly centered ensure that the bushing responds evenly
https://tgmskateboards.com/tensor-truck-bushings-interlock-90a-white-for-2-trucks/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAk53-BRD0ARIsAJuNhpvkswAY27BjnHaTJOxasR5bMg2JajIDPPzvRPieehdMXFOR7lIuSssaAuh5EALw_wcB

I wonder if the bottom bushing height is Ace compatible?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ilya Oblomov on December 02, 2020, 06:56:45 PM
I used to ride my bushings in the middle but they start to shred really quickly. I tightened them yesterday so I'll give it another try. I knew they were too loose when I tried to throw my board but i stumbled off because the bushing were too tight.


This man's on another level.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sandygoat on December 02, 2020, 06:57:42 PM
sorry i wasn't paying attention when I was writing it  :P
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 02, 2020, 07:01:35 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 02, 2020, 06:44:45 PM
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don't forget Tensor started selling their interlocking bushings and are amazing. 90a. I've used with the standard ATG washers and have been fine.

INTERLOCKING BUSHINGS - Better control
The unique shape of these bushing interlocks with the truck hanger. Keeping the bushing perfectly centered ensure that the bushing responds evenly
https://tgmskateboards.com/tensor-truck-bushings-interlock-90a-white-for-2-trucks/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAk53-BRD0ARIsAJuNhpvkswAY27BjnHaTJOxasR5bMg2JajIDPPzvRPieehdMXFOR7lIuSssaAuh5EALw_wcB
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I wonder if the bottom bushing height is Ace compatible?

Nope, the bottom is shorter.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 02, 2020, 08:12:52 PM
Another thing to be aware of with the tensor bushings is the top interlocking portion's depth into the yoke, some trucks (Thunder) don't have a thick enough yoke to house the interlocking portion (I've tried), you'd just end up mashing down/compressing it against the bottom bushing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 04, 2020, 07:07:22 AM
anyone mad enough to run two different weighted trucks of the same size?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on December 04, 2020, 07:12:22 AM
Quote from: Xen on December 02, 2020, 08:12:52 PM
Another thing to be aware of with the tensor bushings is the top interlocking portion's depth into the yoke, some trucks (Thunder) don't have a thick enough yoke to house the interlocking portion (I've tried), you'd just end up mashing down/compressing it against the bottom bushing.
Who is going to be the first to take a file and hand shape their hole on the hanger for this?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 04, 2020, 11:17:53 AM
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Someone bring me out of truck psychosis here. Lots of being cooped up inside and thinking about gear. I've never tried Ventures and I want to try the cast ones that don't extend the wheelbase any longer than they already are. When I dial them in with the right bushings am I still going to hate these trucks since I'm an Ace head?
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I don't want to fuel the madness but I go back and forth between venture and ace a lot. I love the turn and grind on the aces but the pop on ventures is just effortless and with a harder bushing and flat washer the turn is pretty excellent.

Regarding what you said about WB, even the cast stretch it a lot compared to ace. I have a pop with a 14.25" WB and venture a shaped board with a 14.8" WB with aces. The pop with ventures ends up with like a 1/8" longer WB. You probably are accounting for that already but I wanted to put it out there because I thought it was pretty wild.

Edit: only chiming in on this because I hate the madness this is causing me and don't want to feel alone in it.
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Thanks man. I think the stability and kingpin clearance are the main factors in me wanting to try them. Ace are more stable than Indy but sometimes I still find them feeling a bit squirrely under my feet depending on what I'm doing. If Ventures can still carve a bowl and allow me to slappy I'm willing to give them a shot.
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Can't speak for bowls but I would probably be considered a slappy skater and I love them. They definitely need the flat top washer to make them surfy enough, though. I'm like 205 so I also run a harder bushing in mine (94-96) to keep the turn nice and controlled.
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Yeah, no matter what truck I ALWAYS ditch the top washer and if I really need one, I use the Bones flat washer. I saw this vid of this gentleman explaining his experience with slappies using Ventures, and it has me second guessing now. What are your thoughts? www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew_N9SvjhD0
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They definitely grind down faster than Indy due to the hanger being less meaty but not as fast as Ace from my experience. The aluminum feels exactly like Indy to me.

I've had no issues with durability or QC, though, no bent axles or anything like that. I also don't skate the stock bushings just because 90a is too soft for me but I know a lot of people mention the stocks blowing out. As far as what he was saying about the smiths...I don't do a lot of them so I've never had that issue but I assume it's possible. That being said it seems a little wild to me due to the kingpin clearance in comparison to Ace or even Indy.
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Thanks a lot for all your feedback man. I weigh about the same as you, so I would need to get some proper aftermarket bushings in these. I can't decide between the 5.6's, 5.8's or the 6.1's.

@Diocletian bumping this to let you know that after a few weeks I've come crawling back to Ace. I love how the Ventures skate, I just love Ace more.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on December 04, 2020, 02:29:46 PM
Anybody tried the new krux k5 trucks yet
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 04, 2020, 07:45:13 PM
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Someone bring me out of truck psychosis here. Lots of being cooped up inside and thinking about gear. I've never tried Ventures and I want to try the cast ones that don't extend the wheelbase any longer than they already are. When I dial them in with the right bushings am I still going to hate these trucks since I'm an Ace head?
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I don't want to fuel the madness but I go back and forth between venture and ace a lot. I love the turn and grind on the aces but the pop on ventures is just effortless and with a harder bushing and flat washer the turn is pretty excellent.

Regarding what you said about WB, even the cast stretch it a lot compared to ace. I have a pop with a 14.25" WB and venture a shaped board with a 14.8" WB with aces. The pop with ventures ends up with like a 1/8" longer WB. You probably are accounting for that already but I wanted to put it out there because I thought it was pretty wild.

Edit: only chiming in on this because I hate the madness this is causing me and don't want to feel alone in it.
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Thanks man. I think the stability and kingpin clearance are the main factors in me wanting to try them. Ace are more stable than Indy but sometimes I still find them feeling a bit squirrely under my feet depending on what I'm doing. If Ventures can still carve a bowl and allow me to slappy I'm willing to give them a shot.
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Can't speak for bowls but I would probably be considered a slappy skater and I love them. They definitely need the flat top washer to make them surfy enough, though. I'm like 205 so I also run a harder bushing in mine (94-96) to keep the turn nice and controlled.
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Yeah, no matter what truck I ALWAYS ditch the top washer and if I really need one, I use the Bones flat washer. I saw this vid of this gentleman explaining his experience with slappies using Ventures, and it has me second guessing now. What are your thoughts? www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew_N9SvjhD0
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They definitely grind down faster than Indy due to the hanger being less meaty but not as fast as Ace from my experience. The aluminum feels exactly like Indy to me.

I've had no issues with durability or QC, though, no bent axles or anything like that. I also don't skate the stock bushings just because 90a is too soft for me but I know a lot of people mention the stocks blowing out. As far as what he was saying about the smiths...I don't do a lot of them so I've never had that issue but I assume it's possible. That being said it seems a little wild to me due to the kingpin clearance in comparison to Ace or even Indy.
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Thanks a lot for all your feedback man. I weigh about the same as you, so I would need to get some proper aftermarket bushings in these. I can't decide between the 5.6's, 5.8's or the 6.1's.
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@Diocletian bumping this to let you know that after a few weeks I've come crawling back to Ace. I love how the Ventures skate, I just love Ace more.

Haha, thanks man. Yeah, I never pulled the trigger, calmed down my madness and just realized my 44's deserve to be skated to the axle, I'm about 3/4 of the way there. And I probably wouldn't like Venture's turning.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lloyd Braun on December 05, 2020, 07:21:48 AM
Anyone know where I can find krux inverted kingpins? I bought them from zumiez last time they’re out of stock, and so is every where I can find that sells them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 05, 2020, 08:38:04 AM
In a set of krux trucks is prolly your best bet....

I'm planning to re-up some trucks and I'm at a crossroads perhaps:

Thunder 148 team hollows vs. venture 5.6 hollow.

The main difference I can think of is I know the ventures don't turn as well....but I can afford to ride them a bit looser with less wheelbite.  Neither turn that great but I kinda don't necessarily want to turn less...I have krux d/l in the cast but venture has better clearance period.... Height and weight, pretty sure they are similar. 

I heard they are going to drop a new ace...same everything but better....that is all I know....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 05, 2020, 10:13:49 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 05, 2020, 08:38:04 AM
In a set of krux trucks is prolly your best bet....

I'm planning to re-up some trucks and I'm at a crossroads perhaps:

Thunder 148 team hollows vs. venture 5.6 hollow.

The main difference I can think of is I know the ventures don't turn as well....but I can afford to ride them a bit looser with less wheelbite.  Neither turn that great but I kinda don't necessarily want to turn less...I have krux d/l in the cast but venture has better clearance period.... Height and weight, pretty sure they are similar. 

I heard they are going to drop a new ace...same everything but better....that is all I know....
running venture 5.6 cast and hollow (cast baseplate either way) and can firmly recommend them.

running them with old cracked riptides and ace bottom bushings shaved down around a mm or two to get the nut flush. flat bones top and flat bottoms from the hardware store down the block. rattly loose but smidge tighter in the back. they turn better than everything bar ace for me, and i have owned all the main brands. hollow thunders setup like this would be life threatening with the wheelbite @49mm high, but ventures have a defined "balance beam" area going through the center of the board and are a bit taller with cast plates. paired with 50mm conical fulls and slight magic carpet, and i get virtually no wheelbite at 200 lbs.

i used to tweak with my trucks until i found this gear combo because everything is working perfectly for fucking once. to the point where i am running one setup and content with it. really depends on if you are down to tinker with your trucks to find what you like but thats coming from someone who never found a perfect stock truck so take it as you will.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 05, 2020, 01:30:59 PM
I'm a buck thirty five and ride pretty tight trucks and still get wheel bite on thunders (Could be lack of skill) but actually what's swaying me is that I grind through thunders in like six months.  ill prolly try em just because.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on December 06, 2020, 04:00:27 PM
I’ve come across some second hand USA stamped Thunder 149s... need help identifying what year these were and if the geometry is any different?

(https://i.imgur.com/jxzaHYy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8Ku7fDx.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on December 06, 2020, 07:16:26 PM
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In a set of krux trucks is prolly your best bet....

I'm planning to re-up some trucks and I'm at a crossroads perhaps:

Thunder 148 team hollows vs. venture 5.6 hollow.

The main difference I can think of is I know the ventures don't turn as well....but I can afford to ride them a bit looser with less wheelbite.  Neither turn that great but I kinda don't necessarily want to turn less...I have krux d/l in the cast but venture has better clearance period.... Height and weight, pretty sure they are similar. 

I heard they are going to drop a new ace...same everything but better....that is all I know....
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running venture 5.6 cast and hollow (cast baseplate either way) and can firmly recommend them.

running them with old cracked riptides and ace bottom bushings shaved down around a mm or two to get the nut flush. flat bones top and flat bottoms from the hardware store down the block. rattly loose but smidge tighter in the back. they turn better than everything bar ace for me, and i have owned all the main brands. hollow thunders setup like this would be life threatening with the wheelbite @49mm high, but ventures have a defined "balance beam" area going through the center of the board and are a bit taller with cast plates. paired with 50mm conical fulls and slight magic carpet, and i get virtually no wheelbite at 200 lbs.

i used to tweak with my trucks until i found this gear combo because everything is working perfectly for fucking once. to the point where i am running one setup and content with it. really depends on if you are down to tinker with your trucks to find what you like but thats coming from someone who never found a perfect stock truck so take it as you will.

That's a big breakthrough for you. I want to continue loving Ventures because I learned so many tricks on them over the past year. But Thunders are much more versatile and play nice with most board dimensions. Even going 5.6 V-Hollow with Cast Baseplates gave me mixed results.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 06, 2020, 08:13:10 PM
I find that regardless of dimensions my Ventures turn very well and pop feel is solid, almost too light. I have 5.6 cast, couldn't find the hollows.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lamfordie on December 06, 2020, 08:36:52 PM
Anyone know where I can buy some inverted kingpins?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 06, 2020, 08:55:54 PM
Quote from: texasplant on December 06, 2020, 04:00:27 PM
I’ve come across some second hand USA stamped Thunder 149s... need help identifying what year these were and if the geometry is any different?


I bought a set of 149s from a friend that are very similar to those, which do look different to the current 149 trucks out, but the differences are minimal in the angle of the kingpin, pivot, etc.  They were from about 10 or so years ago, he said.

They are still set up on another board and skate pretty well to me, even if I am more an Indy guy than anything else.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nth syd bear on December 07, 2020, 04:11:18 AM
Quote from: Xen on December 02, 2020, 08:12:52 PM
Another thing to be aware of with the tensor bushings is the top interlocking portion's depth into the yoke, some trucks (Thunder) don't have a thick enough yoke to house the interlocking portion (I've tried), you'd just end up mashing down/compressing it against the bottom bushing.

Xen What do you think the difference is wheelbase wise with tensor mag light ATG and indy's?
From what I can tell tensor makes the wb feel are lil longer or am I tripping?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lloyd Braun on December 07, 2020, 05:59:04 AM
Quote from: lamfordie on December 06, 2020, 08:36:52 PM
Anyone know where I can buy some inverted kingpins?

https://cureskateshop.com/product/krux-hollow-down-low-kingpin/

Move fast only 4 in stock, it took some digging for me to find these, sold out almost everywhere.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 08, 2020, 10:57:27 AM
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Another thing to be aware of with the tensor bushings is the top interlocking portion's depth into the yoke, some trucks (Thunder) don't have a thick enough yoke to house the interlocking portion (I've tried), you'd just end up mashing down/compressing it against the bottom bushing.
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Xen What do you think the difference is wheelbase wise with tensor mag light ATG and indy's?
From what I can tell tensor makes the wb feel are lil longer or am I tripping?

Ben Degros measure them and put them in the indy category, so pulling them in; I never measured them but found them to feel longer, closer to thunders (I rode them on a 14" WB which is short for me and they felt fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on December 08, 2020, 11:07:07 AM
I don't have the mag light, but the standard ATG i believe is a 1/8" longer than the indy standard 3" add to wb
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on December 08, 2020, 11:59:00 AM
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Another thing to be aware of with the tensor bushings is the top interlocking portion's depth into the yoke, some trucks (Thunder) don't have a thick enough yoke to house the interlocking portion (I've tried), you'd just end up mashing down/compressing it against the bottom bushing.
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Xen What do you think the difference is wheelbase wise with tensor mag light ATG and indy's?
From what I can tell tensor makes the wb feel are lil longer or am I tripping?
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Ben Degros measure them and put them in the indy category, so pulling them in; I never measured them but found them to feel longer, closer to thunders (I rode them on a 14" WB which is short for me and they felt fine.


I measured mine as exactly the same WB as Thunder. The baseplate extends a solid 3/16" past what Thunders do so maybe that's throwing people off, or maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stets on December 08, 2020, 12:22:14 PM
Quote from: lamfordie on December 06, 2020, 08:36:52 PM
Anyone know where I can buy some inverted kingpins?

These are affordable, same format as the Grind King kingpins. Wider, lower head, no need for a top bushing cup.
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ozmjy/images/stencil/700x900/products/3548/13133/KPALLEN-2__48255.1581358319.png?c=2)
https://www.sk8ratz.com/sure-grip-classic-kingpin-3-8-allen-head-kingpin-sold-individually/ (https://www.sk8ratz.com/sure-grip-classic-kingpin-3-8-allen-head-kingpin-sold-individually/)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on December 08, 2020, 12:58:14 PM
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Anyone know where I can buy some inverted kingpins?
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These are affordable, same format as the Grind King kingpins. Wider, lower head, no need for a top bushing cup.
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ozmjy/images/stencil/700x900/products/3548/13133/KPALLEN-2__48255.1581358319.png?c=2)
https://www.sk8ratz.com/sure-grip-classic-kingpin-3-8-allen-head-kingpin-sold-individually/ (https://www.sk8ratz.com/sure-grip-classic-kingpin-3-8-allen-head-kingpin-sold-individually/)
these are quite a bit longer. with an ace top bushing and bottom washer, they're barely snug. any tighter and they'll dig into the board
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nth syd bear on December 08, 2020, 02:13:02 PM
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Another thing to be aware of with the tensor bushings is the top interlocking portion's depth into the yoke, some trucks (Thunder) don't have a thick enough yoke to house the interlocking portion (I've tried), you'd just end up mashing down/compressing it against the bottom bushing.
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Xen What do you think the difference is wheelbase wise with tensor mag light ATG and indy's?
From what I can tell tensor makes the wb feel are lil longer or am I tripping?
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Ben Degros measure them and put them in the indy category, so pulling them in; I never measured them but found them to feel longer, closer to thunders (I rode them on a 14" WB which is short for me and they felt fine.
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I measured mine as exactly the same WB as Thunder. The baseplate extends a solid 3/16" past what Thunders do so maybe that's throwing people off, or maybe I'm wrong.

&#128578; thank you both for the reply.  Kinda confirms what I was thinking
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stets on December 08, 2020, 02:28:17 PM
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Anyone know where I can buy some inverted kingpins?
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These are affordable, same format as the Grind King kingpins. Wider, lower head, no need for a top bushing cup.
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ozmjy/images/stencil/700x900/products/3548/13133/KPALLEN-2__48255.1581358319.png?c=2)
https://www.sk8ratz.com/sure-grip-classic-kingpin-3-8-allen-head-kingpin-sold-individually/ (https://www.sk8ratz.com/sure-grip-classic-kingpin-3-8-allen-head-kingpin-sold-individually/)
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these are quite a bit longer. with an ace top bushing and bottom washer, they're barely snug. any tighter and they'll dig into the board

Hacksaw and/or sander should help.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 08, 2020, 02:56:00 PM
Quote from: texasplant on December 06, 2020, 04:00:27 PM
I’ve come across some second hand USA stamped Thunder 149s... need help identifying what year these were and if the geometry is any different?

(https://i.imgur.com/jxzaHYy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8Ku7fDx.jpg)

They look like the version of Thunder right before they came out with the "149II's" which is what is known as the 149 today. From what I've read those won't turn good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lloyd Braun on December 08, 2020, 05:57:28 PM
Quote from: stets on December 08, 2020, 12:22:14 PM
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Anyone know where I can buy some inverted kingpins?
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These are affordable, same format as the Grind King kingpins. Wider, lower head, no need for a top bushing cup.
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ozmjy/images/stencil/700x900/products/3548/13133/KPALLEN-2__48255.1581358319.png?c=2)
https://www.sk8ratz.com/sure-grip-classic-kingpin-3-8-allen-head-kingpin-sold-individually/ (https://www.sk8ratz.com/sure-grip-classic-kingpin-3-8-allen-head-kingpin-sold-individually/)

Those look good. I'll try them maybe in a year after my venture/krux mods are shredded. I like them, just have a feeling im gonna destroy my washer eventuallly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 08, 2020, 07:08:01 PM
How often do people with inverted kingpins blow out the allen head or have other issues where they are essentially stuck?

Not judging in any way, just asking and curious, because so many people with the older ones used to have so many issues with them and I really haven't seen many at all in the last ten years.

I still have a few sets of smaller Krux / Silver on boards that were for the kids to use, mainly because the owners couldn't fix them so left them, as well as never having or recommending inverted kingpins in the shop, so I guess it is almost weird to see so many people with inverted kingpins here.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hillbilly shifty on December 08, 2020, 10:02:31 PM
Quote from: Nth syd bear on December 08, 2020, 02:13:02 PM
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Another thing to be aware of with the tensor bushings is the top interlocking portion's depth into the yoke, some trucks (Thunder) don't have a thick enough yoke to house the interlocking portion (I've tried), you'd just end up mashing down/compressing it against the bottom bushing.
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Xen What do you think the difference is wheelbase wise with tensor mag light ATG and indy's?
From what I can tell tensor makes the wb feel are lil longer or am I tripping?
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Ben Degros measure them and put them in the indy category, so pulling them in; I never measured them but found them to feel longer, closer to thunders (I rode them on a 14" WB which is short for me and they felt fine.
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I measured mine as exactly the same WB as Thunder. The baseplate extends a solid 3/16" past what Thunders do so maybe that's throwing people off, or maybe I'm wrong.
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&#38;#128578; thank you both for the reply.  Kinda confirms what I was thinking

Just set up my first ever tensors a few weeks ago, so went to measure.
They're on a Baker with an exact 14.25" WB
I got the same overall wheel base as indys, adds 3"
This is with bones + flat washers. nuts flush.

(https://i.imgur.com/HXBpOiqm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Tp0dAyfm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XP5fv0qm.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mbam003 on December 08, 2020, 10:44:23 PM
Venture lows + bowls

I mostly ride park where I enjoy the Ventures a lot, but I have been slowly opening up to the bowl next door. Is this setup like bringing a pickup to a racetrack (hopeless) or can it be done with proper skills?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 09, 2020, 06:58:27 AM
Quote from: mbam003 on December 08, 2020, 10:44:23 PM
Venture lows + bowls

I mostly ride park where I enjoy the Ventures a lot, but I have been slowly opening up to the bowl next door. Is this setup like bringing a pickup to a racetrack (hopeless) or can it be done with proper skills?

Do you want to just lean and carve round the bowl (without lifting any wheels off) or do you kick turn around (lift up the front and turn to go round) or both?

Tighter trucks can still carve in a much wider arc, but looser trucks will give you much more of a ride in a bowl.  You can still skate transition or any ramps with tight trucks too, as that will not affect any of the tricks done on ramps if you are going up and down more so than across or around a bowl, but it really depends what you want to get out of it and how much you can or can't do on the existing setup, eg try to lean and turn too much and you might get wheelbite more easily.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mbam003 on December 09, 2020, 07:09:00 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on December 09, 2020, 06:58:27 AM
Quote from: mbam003 on December 08, 2020, 10:44:23 PM
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Venture lows + bowls

I mostly ride park where I enjoy the Ventures a lot, but I have been slowly opening up to the bowl next door. Is this setup like bringing a pickup to a racetrack (hopeless) or can it be done with proper skills?
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Do you want to just lean and carve round the bowl (without lifting any wheels off) or do you kick turn around (lift up the front and turn to go round) or both?

Tighter trucks can still carve in a much wider arc, but looser trucks will give you much more of a ride in a bowl.  You can still skate transition or any ramps with tight trucks too, as that will not affect any of the tricks done on ramps if you are going up and down more so than across or around a bowl, but it really depends what you want to get out of it and how much you can or can't do on the existing setup, eg try to lean and turn too much and you might get wheelbite more easily.

I want to get into proper carving, not just kickturns. In fact I did yesterday and I experienced what you described, my arc went quite wide, my wheels slipped out and I ate shit. I have Bones bushings in the Ventures, the conical shape actually helps them turn quite a bit more, it just seems like the turn was too delayed in the bowl. This summer I hit the bowl once at 1am with some Indy hollows and it went decently. I might have to consider a pair of Indys or to stay on the park side (where Ventures are excellent).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 09, 2020, 07:14:57 AM
Quote from: mbam003 on December 09, 2020, 07:09:00 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on December 09, 2020, 06:58:27 AM
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Venture lows + bowls

I mostly ride park where I enjoy the Ventures a lot, but I have been slowly opening up to the bowl next door. Is this setup like bringing a pickup to a racetrack (hopeless) or can it be done with proper skills?
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Do you want to just lean and carve round the bowl (without lifting any wheels off) or do you kick turn around (lift up the front and turn to go round) or both?

Tighter trucks can still carve in a much wider arc, but looser trucks will give you much more of a ride in a bowl.  You can still skate transition or any ramps with tight trucks too, as that will not affect any of the tricks done on ramps if you are going up and down more so than across or around a bowl, but it really depends what you want to get out of it and how much you can or can't do on the existing setup, eg try to lean and turn too much and you might get wheelbite more easily.
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I want to get into proper carving, not just kickturns. In fact I did yesterday and I experienced what you described, my arc went quite wide, my wheels slipped out and I ate shit. I'll see what can be done about it, but I probably need a set of Indys - or to stay on the park side ;D I still want to believe it can be done though. I have Bones bushings in the Ventures, the conical shape actually helps them turn quite a bit more (I have tried both), it just seems like the turn was too delayed in the bowl.

Sounds like you are there actually.

Just stay lower over your board, don't lean out / over as much but still put a lot more weight on which ever side you want to turn, but more pressure on your back foot than your front.  You can also try this on flat ground to get the balance right before heading into the deep end of a bowl.

Too much lean on the front foot = wheelbite and stop.
Too much lean on the back foot = maybe wheelbite but will keep going.


Also anyone who would tell you straight up to get new trucks might not understand that all trucks will turn.  Yes taller trucks might turn better and some brands will definitely turn faster than others, but if there is nothing wrong with the trucks you have, you can still make them work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on December 09, 2020, 07:19:35 AM
Quote from: mbam003 on December 08, 2020, 10:44:23 PM
Venture lows + bowls

I mostly ride park where I enjoy the Ventures a lot, but I have been slowly opening up to the bowl next door. Is this setup like bringing a pickup to a racetrack (hopeless) or can it be done with proper skills?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MXerhH9wvw
(https://i.imgur.com/k3Igr9X.jpeg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mbam003 on December 09, 2020, 07:21:08 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on December 09, 2020, 07:14:57 AM
Quote from: mbam003 on December 09, 2020, 07:09:00 AM
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Quote from: mbam003 on December 08, 2020, 10:44:23 PM
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Venture lows + bowls

I mostly ride park where I enjoy the Ventures a lot, but I have been slowly opening up to the bowl next door. Is this setup like bringing a pickup to a racetrack (hopeless) or can it be done with proper skills?
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Do you want to just lean and carve round the bowl (without lifting any wheels off) or do you kick turn around (lift up the front and turn to go round) or both?

Tighter trucks can still carve in a much wider arc, but looser trucks will give you much more of a ride in a bowl.  You can still skate transition or any ramps with tight trucks too, as that will not affect any of the tricks done on ramps if you are going up and down more so than across or around a bowl, but it really depends what you want to get out of it and how much you can or can't do on the existing setup, eg try to lean and turn too much and you might get wheelbite more easily.
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I want to get into proper carving, not just kickturns. In fact I did yesterday and I experienced what you described, my arc went quite wide, my wheels slipped out and I ate shit. I'll see what can be done about it, but I probably need a set of Indys - or to stay on the park side ;D I still want to believe it can be done though. I have Bones bushings in the Ventures, the conical shape actually helps them turn quite a bit more (I have tried both), it just seems like the turn was too delayed in the bowl.
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Sounds like you are there actually.

Just stay lower over your board, don't lean out / over as much but still put a lot more weight on which ever side you want to turn, but more pressure on your back foot than your front.  You can also try this on flat ground to get the balance right before heading into the deep end of a bowl.

Too much lean on the front foot = wheelbite and stop.
Too much lean on the back foot = maybe wheelbite but will keep going.


Also anyone who would tell you straight up to get new trucks might not understand that all trucks will turn.  Yes taller trucks might turn better and some brands will definitely turn faster than others, but if there is nothing wrong with the trucks you have, you can still make them work.

Thank you. For now I will just try to get better. My trucks tick all the boxes for me except the bowl. I'll try to make it work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mbam003 on December 09, 2020, 07:29:26 AM
Quote from: anon on December 09, 2020, 07:19:35 AM
Quote from: mbam003 on December 08, 2020, 10:44:23 PM
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Venture lows + bowls

I mostly ride park where I enjoy the Ventures a lot, but I have been slowly opening up to the bowl next door. Is this setup like bringing a pickup to a racetrack (hopeless) or can it be done with proper skills?
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Stoked on this! Screw gear madness ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on December 09, 2020, 07:42:13 AM
yeah, but since you brought up low trucks, i kinda wanna try ace lows now
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 09, 2020, 07:43:02 AM
Quote from: anon on December 09, 2020, 07:19:35 AM


Ha yes, as the small dude with a good sized board for him, he could do so much, some of that footage 18 years apart, but I wonder what he is riding nowdays, or how much his setup has changed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on December 09, 2020, 08:03:58 AM
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Ha yes, as the small dude with a good sized board for him, he could do so much, some of that footage 18 years apart, but I wonder what he is riding nowdays, or how much his setup has changed.

So put a 1/8" riser on Venture lows and rock some 49mm wheels and you ALMOST have as much wheel bite clearance as Brett. Yes you can do it, but it's not the best idea unless you skate pretty damn tight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 09, 2020, 08:17:21 AM
Quote from: Beeker on December 09, 2020, 08:03:58 AM
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Ha yes, as the small dude with a good sized board for him, he could do so much, some of that footage 18 years apart, but I wonder what he is riding nowdays, or how much his setup has changed.
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So put a 1/8" riser on Venture lows and rock some 49mm wheels and you ALMOST have as much wheel bite clearance as Brett. Yes you can do it, but it's not the best idea unless you skate pretty damn tight.

? Brent said he was on Indy lows, same/similar height to venture, no?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on December 09, 2020, 08:56:32 AM
Quote from: Ok on December 09, 2020, 08:17:21 AM
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Ha yes, as the small dude with a good sized board for him, he could do so much, some of that footage 18 years apart, but I wonder what he is riding nowdays, or how much his setup has changed.
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So put a 1/8" riser on Venture lows and rock some 49mm wheels and you ALMOST have as much wheel bite clearance as Brett. Yes you can do it, but it's not the best idea unless you skate pretty damn tight.
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? Brent said he was on Indy lows, same/similar height to venture, no?

Indy lows are 52mm and venture lows are 48mm afaik.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 09, 2020, 09:25:46 AM
Pretty sure Indy lows were 48. Regular indys, of that era were 53.5, I think (stage 10).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on December 09, 2020, 09:27:25 AM
Quote from: Beeker on December 09, 2020, 08:56:32 AM
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Ha yes, as the small dude with a good sized board for him, he could do so much, some of that footage 18 years apart, but I wonder what he is riding nowdays, or how much his setup has changed.
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So put a 1/8" riser on Venture lows and rock some 49mm wheels and you ALMOST have as much wheel bite clearance as Brett. Yes you can do it, but it's not the best idea unless you skate pretty damn tight.
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? Brent said he was on Indy lows, same/similar height to venture, no?
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Indy lows are 52mm and venture lows are 48mm afaik.

??? Aren’t Indy lows like 48.5 mm??
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on December 09, 2020, 09:37:29 AM
Alright my bad, I'll shut up now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 09, 2020, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on December 08, 2020, 05:57:28 PM
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Anyone know where I can buy some inverted kingpins?
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These are affordable, same format as the Grind King kingpins. Wider, lower head, no need for a top bushing cup.
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ozmjy/images/stencil/700x900/products/3548/13133/KPALLEN-2__48255.1581358319.png?c=2)
https://www.sk8ratz.com/sure-grip-classic-kingpin-3-8-allen-head-kingpin-sold-individually/ (https://www.sk8ratz.com/sure-grip-classic-kingpin-3-8-allen-head-kingpin-sold-individually/)
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Those look good. I'll try them maybe in a year after my venture/krux mods are shredded. I like them, just have a feeling im gonna destroy my washer eventuallly.

They're for rollerskates, different threads (I know because I have them) so you'll need a different nut than the standard kingpin nuts.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JugeL on December 09, 2020, 12:29:29 PM
Quote from: anon on December 09, 2020, 07:42:13 AM
yeah, but since you brought up low trucks, i kinda wanna try ace lows now
Suprisingly good truck, not a lot of kingpin clearance tho. I think they can be ridden much loser than other low trucks without wheelbite but thats just how i felt. Turn is also definitely good enough for carving.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stets on December 10, 2020, 01:04:30 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 09, 2020, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on December 08, 2020, 05:57:28 PM
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Quote from: stets on December 08, 2020, 12:22:14 PM
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Quote from: lamfordie on December 06, 2020, 08:36:52 PM
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Anyone know where I can buy some inverted kingpins?
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These are affordable, same format as the Grind King kingpins. Wider, lower head, no need for a top bushing cup.
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ozmjy/images/stencil/700x900/products/3548/13133/KPALLEN-2__48255.1581358319.png?c=2)
https://www.sk8ratz.com/sure-grip-classic-kingpin-3-8-allen-head-kingpin-sold-individually/ (https://www.sk8ratz.com/sure-grip-classic-kingpin-3-8-allen-head-kingpin-sold-individually/)
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Those look good. I'll try them maybe in a year after my venture/krux mods are shredded. I like them, just have a feeling im gonna destroy my washer eventuallly.
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They're for rollerskates, different threads (I know because I have them) so you'll need a different nut than the standard kingpin nuts.

Oh dang. It's a course thread instead of the standard skate fine thread? That sucks, didn't know. My bad for spreading the word on the imperfect product. It's not a deal breaker if you do the JB Weld conversion (just buy a course version of the nut at a hardware store), but won't work on the new Indy Mid baseplates. Thanks for the firsthand info Xen!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ok boomer on December 15, 2020, 05:24:26 PM
I've only ridden standard Indys...
How are the hollows vs regular standard? This is my most curious choice
(Then .. the forged titanium  vs forged hollows?)
I think I am reading that correct, 4 versions? (Not interested in mids at all)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 15, 2020, 06:07:17 PM
Forged hollows are 1.5mm lower and 100g or so lighter per set which is about 1/4lb overall. I prefer them to standard Indy because of the lower height. Haven’t had the Ti ones yet, but didn’t feel different on my friends board and they’re only an extra 60g lighter per set.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 15, 2020, 06:08:05 PM
Quote from: ok boomer on December 15, 2020, 05:24:26 PM
I've only ridden standard Indys...
How are the hollows vs regular standard? This is my most curious choice
(Then .. the forged titanium  vs forged hollows?)
I think I am reading that correct, 4 versions? (Not interested in mids at all)

Certainly a difference in weight and height, but unless you are a very pedantic or extremely sensitive in your setups, they are not going to feel overly different.

That said, standards are 55mm tall on the cast baseplate, anything the forged baseplate are 53.5 mm tall, so a slight difference in height.

For weight, it is about the same as a few coins in your pocket between the various options, so if you definitely need lighter, it will make a difference, but if you don't really need lighter, then it is not going to make a big difference.

I know some people who can really tell with their setups, but there are also lots of others who are not really impacted by it, and depending on how much you want to spend or whatever is actually available, it is still very much up to the individual.

I have skated and had them all, but I keep going back to the simple standard polished as they just work really well for how I skate and what I like, definitely more so than the lower Stage 9 and 10, which I still have on older setups.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on December 15, 2020, 06:30:23 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on December 15, 2020, 06:07:17 PM
They’re 1.5mm lower and forged hollows are a decent amount lighter. I prefer them to standard Indy. Haven’t had the Ti ones yet

There are hollows with cast baseplates that are the standard 55mm tall, and then the hollow forged and Ti at 53.5

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 15, 2020, 06:58:32 PM
Edited to clarify that I mostly just like the lower height of forged plates.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on December 15, 2020, 11:42:12 PM
a while back I got some forged hollow indy 159s to try out on curb boards. personally I don't think they're worth the extra money unless you hate how high the standards feel. board feels pretty much the same once you put it all together.

they feel weird in your hands, like the balance is off because of the forged plate, and I don't like the contrast to the hanger how it's all shiny and the hanger looks cast.

I'd get them if I skated smaller boards because I like the height of the standards for 149 and up, but at that point I could get aces or thunders and save 10 bucks. though I will say I like the designs thunder and indy do at the bottom of their forged plates, it's a nice touch.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on December 16, 2020, 07:23:12 AM
i've had all four versions, just not the mids. i agree that they end up feeling mostly similar.

the hollows take away from some of that indy clunkiness. forged hollows are a tiny bit lower and lighter, but some of that feeling is negated since the forged baseplates set your wheelbase a little longer. titaniums are the lightest but most expensive for a small reduction in weight.

i do like the hollows on bigger boards with big wheels, especially if you toss risers on, it helps make the pop a little lighter. im also rocking forged titanium 159s on an 8.62" popsicle with 54mm conicals, it makes that board feel a little lighter.

the downside to hollow trucks: that lighter hangar is more responsive to your shifts in weight so they become a little twitchier. forged baseplates makes the board even more wheelbite prone, i didn't like forged hollow 169's they just seemed like wheelbite central.

i also think that the standards roll over crust and grind curbs/pool coping better. its probably because standard hangars have the most momentum from their weight, and not from the physics of vibrations being different through a hollow axle, but who knows? and finally i think *most* pros on indy just ride the standards or hollows, i know chris joslin had a pro model forged hollow though. i never hear about pros on the titaniums but who knows.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on December 16, 2020, 10:32:45 AM
Quote from: sketchyrider on December 16, 2020, 07:23:12 AM
i never hear about pros on the titaniums but who knows.

I watched a number of the "My Indies" videos and most were on standards or hollows.  A couple of the old vert guys will skate Ti.  I believe Hawk said he would skate hollow forged or Ti, whichever Indy sent.  Cab just says Ti.

Both running Bones bushings with no bottom washer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDZVfqqlcPo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3Hz1V260nY
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 16, 2020, 11:21:17 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on December 15, 2020, 06:08:05 PM
Quote from: ok boomer on December 15, 2020, 05:24:26 PM
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I've only ridden standard Indys...
How are the hollows vs regular standard? This is my most curious choice
(Then .. the forged titanium  vs forged hollows?)
I think I am reading that correct, 4 versions? (Not interested in mids at all)
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Certainly a difference in weight and height, but unless you are a very pedantic or extremely sensitive in your setups, they are not going to feel overly different.

That said, standards are 55mm tall on the cast baseplate, anything the forged baseplate are 53.5 mm tall, so a slight difference in height.

For weight, it is about the same as a few coins in your pocket between the various options, so if you definitely need lighter, it will make a difference, but if you don't really need lighter, then it is not going to make a big difference.

I know some people who can really tell with their setups, but there are also lots of others who are not really impacted by it, and depending on how much you want to spend or whatever is actually available, it is still very much up to the individual.

I have skated and had them all, but I keep going back to the simple standard polished as they just work really well for how I skate and what I like, definitely more so than the lower Stage 9 and 10, which I still have on older setups.

With light trucks I think the lighter pop feel pretty much always comes from the height and not the weight. Not that I am good enough to be publicly posting such a claim, but I also think that forged plates feel yucky and am seeking validation on that opinion.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hillbilly shifty on December 16, 2020, 01:51:24 PM
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Anyone know where I can buy some inverted kingpins?
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These are affordable, same format as the Grind King kingpins. Wider, lower head, no need for a top bushing cup.
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ozmjy/images/stencil/700x900/products/3548/13133/KPALLEN-2__48255.1581358319.png?c=2)
https://www.sk8ratz.com/sure-grip-classic-kingpin-3-8-allen-head-kingpin-sold-individually/ (https://www.sk8ratz.com/sure-grip-classic-kingpin-3-8-allen-head-kingpin-sold-individually/)
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Those look good. I'll try them maybe in a year after my venture/krux mods are shredded. I like them, just have a feeling im gonna destroy my washer eventuallly.
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They're for rollerskates, different threads (I know because I have them) so you'll need a different nut than the standard kingpin nuts.
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Oh dang. It's a course thread instead of the standard skate fine thread? That sucks, didn't know. My bad for spreading the word on the imperfect product. It's not a deal breaker if you do the JB Weld conversion (just buy a course version of the nut at a hardware store), but won't work on the new Indy Mid baseplates. Thanks for the firsthand info Xen!

this is a good option. bought a set a few years back. seems like they have a ginormous stockpile.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kreper-Grind-King-kingpin-old-school-vintage-skateboard-independent-w-Allen-Key/253447181873?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D225074%26meid%3Db6f242589f8b4e5ba4dfb0df35fc721e%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D7%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D233600719566%26itm%3D253447181873%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Acdfca4a7-39cc-11eb-8d8e-2a4720bf77c5%7Cparentrq%3A457f3e561760a4b4d310304bfff476c2%7Ciid%3A1

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 16, 2020, 02:29:19 PM
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I've only ridden standard Indys...
How are the hollows vs regular standard? This is my most curious choice
(Then .. the forged titanium  vs forged hollows?)
I think I am reading that correct, 4 versions? (Not interested in mids at all)
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Certainly a difference in weight and height, but unless you are a very pedantic or extremely sensitive in your setups, they are not going to feel overly different.

That said, standards are 55mm tall on the cast baseplate, anything the forged baseplate are 53.5 mm tall, so a slight difference in height.

For weight, it is about the same as a few coins in your pocket between the various options, so if you definitely need lighter, it will make a difference, but if you don't really need lighter, then it is not going to make a big difference.

I know some people who can really tell with their setups, but there are also lots of others who are not really impacted by it, and depending on how much you want to spend or whatever is actually available, it is still very much up to the individual.

I have skated and had them all, but I keep going back to the simple standard polished as they just work really well for how I skate and what I like, definitely more so than the lower Stage 9 and 10, which I still have on older setups.
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With light trucks I think the lighter pop feel pretty much always comes from the height and not the weight. Not that I am good enough to be publicly posting such a claim, but I also think that forged plates feel yucky and am seeking validation on that opinion.


You feel that way because forged plates do feel yucky.
I like lighter shit on boards that are too big for me, but if it’s ‘my size’ I don’t need lighter shit, and then why am I riding some big board if I need e’rything super light? Makes no sense. (I mean I’ve tried it, light parts on a big setup, just never sticks as the one). The lighter trucks do feel weirder on chunkier grinding surfaces.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ok boomer on December 16, 2020, 02:50:16 PM
I have these moments where I want to try new stuff but I get very little free time to skate so I'm also wary of trying something that I don't like with this little spare time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Urtripping on December 16, 2020, 04:25:29 PM
My thunders are a little fucked right now, but it's kinda perfect.

I ride bones hardcore bushings and shave them down so that the front truck wiggles and the back is just tight enough not to. The front kingpin nut is like fused to the kingpin in the perfect spot and never comes loose. Dreading the day when I'll have to replace the pivot cup or something and ruin the balance.

I do have to hand tighten the rear one though, and skating home one day I ollied a manhole and the rear truck exploded and shit went everywhere. Was unable to recover the top bushing so I threw in a stock one after I hiked it to my apartment. Been running it since the summer and it actually feels great.

Also I've been riding 149's on 8-8.125's for a year or so after sizing down and even though I'm used to it now, I'm wondering if I'm fucking myself up by not switching to 147's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 16, 2020, 05:22:18 PM
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I have these moments where I want to try new stuff but I get very little free time to skate so I'm also wary of trying something that I don't like with this little spare time.
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I do find it rather interesting though that some people (not just the shop guy trying to upsell) really talk up the absolute top end trucks like they are going to change your life, but at the end of the day, they are still going to make you skate the same.

To me it is more a bit of the feeling of new trucks (which you can always just go scratch up on a curb first if you are so against the new truck feel), but a lot of the feeling of new bushings.  If you get the bushings right then the trucks will feel great, but if they are not feeling how you are used to them, then things are going to suffer as a result.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 17, 2020, 05:44:40 AM
Quote from: ok boomer on December 16, 2020, 02:50:16 PM
I have these moments where I want to try new stuff but I get very little free time to skate so I'm also wary of trying something that I don't like with this little spare time.

Trying new stuff is overrated, and very rarely does it improve the experience of skateboarding. You'll have like 1 good honeymoon session and thats it.

I'm one to talk, but I am also not wrong.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ok boomer on December 17, 2020, 06:50:36 AM
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I have these moments where I want to try new stuff but I get very little free time to skate so I'm also wary of trying something that I don't like with this little spare time.
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Trying new stuff is overrated, and very rarely does it improve the experience of skateboarding. You'll have like 1 good honeymoon session and thats it.

I'm one to talk, but I am also not wrong.

I basically like 3 setups:
7.5-7.75 with Indy 129s
smaller egg/football with 139s
7.5 with Venture 5.0 lo's

If you cannot tell, I am stuck in 3 eras of skateboarding: 1998, 1992 and 1996. Or you could say: Timecode, Questionable and Mouse. I am a prisoner of nostalgia.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 17, 2020, 06:52:04 AM
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I have these moments where I want to try new stuff but I get very little free time to skate so I'm also wary of trying something that I don't like with this little spare time.
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Trying new stuff is overrated, and very rarely does it improve the experience of skateboarding. You'll have like 1 good honeymoon session and thats it.

I'm one to talk, but I am also not wrong.
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I basically like 3 setups:
7.5-7.75 with Indy 129s
smaller egg/football with 139s
7.5 with Venture 5.0 lo's

If you cannot tell, I am stuck in 3 eras of skateboarding: 1998, 1992 and 1996. Or you could say: Timecode, Questionable and Mouse. I am a prisoner of nostalgia.

I see no problems
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 17, 2020, 06:58:13 PM
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I have these moments where I want to try new stuff but I get very little free time to skate so I'm also wary of trying something that I don't like with this little spare time.
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Trying new stuff is overrated, and very rarely does it improve the experience of skateboarding. You'll have like 1 good honeymoon session and thats it.

I'm one to talk, but I am also not wrong.
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I basically like 3 setups:
7.5-7.75 with Indy 129s
smaller egg/football with 139s
7.5 with Venture 5.0 lo's

If you cannot tell, I am stuck in 3 eras of skateboarding: 1998, 1992 and 1996. Or you could say: Timecode, Questionable and Mouse. I am a prisoner of nostalgia.

That is what I love about skateboarding.

There is no right or wrong setup to have, as it is all relative to how you skate and what you want to do on your board.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nicki on December 17, 2020, 11:57:12 PM
Quick question, are Thunders also made in China now? I ride Thunders and thought the OG baseplates (on the trucks they’re calling Team now) were made in US. However, when i went to the shop to buy some reg 161 for cruiser, I saw the stamp “USA Made” wasn’t there anymore, replaced by thunder logo. Checking the other size Team baseplates, they too no longer had USA made. I figured the lights baseplates were China but this came as a shock.

Say it aint so!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 18, 2020, 01:02:02 AM
Quote from: Nicki on December 17, 2020, 11:57:12 PM
Quick question, are Thunders also made in China now? I ride Thunders and thought the OG baseplates (on the trucks they’re calling Team now) were made in US. However, when i went to the shop to buy some reg 161 for cruiser, I saw the stamp “USA Made” wasn’t there anymore, replaced by thunder logo. Checking the other size Team baseplates, they too no longer had USA made. I figured the lights baseplates were China but this came as a shock.

Say it aint so!

Some brands or parts are made in Mexico now, others in China, but very little actually comes from manufacturing within the US.  Seems like it is a bit of a hush hush situation, but someone might give you the correct answer.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nicki on December 18, 2020, 01:38:23 AM
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Quick question, are Thunders also made in China now? I ride Thunders and thought the OG baseplates (on the trucks they’re calling Team now) were made in US. However, when i went to the shop to buy some reg 161 for cruiser, I saw the stamp “USA Made” wasn’t there anymore, replaced by thunder logo. Checking the other size Team baseplates, they too no longer had USA made. I figured the lights baseplates were China but this came as a shock.

Say it aint so!
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Some brands or parts are made in Mexico now, others in China, but very little actually comes from manufacturing within the US.  Seems like it is a bit of a hush hush situation, but someone might give you the correct answer.

It certainly seems like that’s the case. In the past, I’ve always seen the US made trucks as premium (Thunder, Venture, Indy), to the China made Tensor etc and companies that used to be US made (Destructo, Krux, even Orion). But if it’s all China now then there’s no more taking the high ground, kinda levels the playing field, when everyone’s just doing it on the cheap (...probably Uyghurs...). And definitely hush, hush which makes it seem a bit dodgy and underhanded. End of an era.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 18, 2020, 08:09:04 AM
How have skaters not realized that the anti China talk is:

1. Bullshit. Chinese manufacturing at scale is often as high or higher quality than American. Many high end composite and metal parts are made in China in other industries.
2. Protectionist MAGA rhetoric. Literally the same shit Trump and his supporters say.

My Chinese Indys ride the same as my American ones and there is no difference in quality. I get it if people are mad that NHS moved production away from Ermico and stopped supporting a foundry that has a history in skating, but it said foundry can’t meet production targets at a competitive cost there is a point where it doesn’t make sense to use them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 18, 2020, 08:12:18 AM
Did a simple test this morning as I have 2 decks with the same wheels and dimensions one with Indys and one with Venture High. I found a piece of chalk at a nearby basketball court and used a piece of string to make some circles of varying radii. I then started in the same spot with 2 pushes and just followed the circles. I was able to get the same exact performance from both trucks. The Ventures took slightly more pressure when the circle was tight. So they turn just fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Urtripping on December 18, 2020, 08:49:06 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on December 18, 2020, 08:12:18 AM
Did a simple test this morning as I have 2 decks with the same wheels and dimensions one with Indys and one with Venture High. I found a piece of chalk at a nearby basketball court and used a piece of string to make some circles of varying radii. I then started in the same spot with 2 pushes and just followed the circles. I was able to get the same exact performance from both trucks. The Ventures took slightly more pressure when the circle was tight. So they turn just fine.

Gonna need a formal report including the metrics you used to measure performance and will also need data from multiple tests to consider this claim conclusive.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 18, 2020, 08:51:54 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on December 18, 2020, 08:09:04 AM
How have skaters not realized that the anti China talk is:

1. Bullshit. Chinese manufacturing at scale is often as high or higher quality than American. Many high end composite and metal parts are made in China in other industries.
2. Protectionist MAGA rhetoric. Literally the same shit Trump and his supporters say.

My Chinese Indys ride the same as my American ones and there is no difference in quality. I get it if people are mad that NHS moved production away from Ermico and stopped supporting a foundry that has a history in skating, but it said foundry can’t meet production targets at a competitive cost there is a point where it doesn’t make sense to use them.


Bullshit, to your bullshit.

I’d prefer, to the point of paying significantly more, things to be manufactured closer to me, for a many reasons, including: jobs for people closer to me, less shipping stuff around the world, hopefully better protections for the workers, hopefully better protections for the environment.

Didn’t know you were a fucking stockholder in all major truck brands. Why the fuck do you care about their profits so much?

I buy trucks made in China. But I’d prefer to buy trucks made in the USA.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Urtripping on December 18, 2020, 09:02:14 AM
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How have skaters not realized that the anti China talk is:

1. Bullshit. Chinese manufacturing at scale is often as high or higher quality than American. Many high end composite and metal parts are made in China in other industries.
2. Protectionist MAGA rhetoric. Literally the same shit Trump and his supporters say.

My Chinese Indys ride the same as my American ones and there is no difference in quality. I get it if people are mad that NHS moved production away from Ermico and stopped supporting a foundry that has a history in skating, but it said foundry can’t meet production targets at a competitive cost there is a point where it doesn’t make sense to use them.
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Bullshit, to your bullshit.

I’d prefer, to the point of paying significantly more, things to be manufactured closer to me, for a many reasons, including: jobs for people closer to me, less shipping stuff around the world, hopefully better protections for the workers, hopefully better protections for the environment.

Didn’t know you were a fucking stockholder in all major truck brands. Why the fuck do you care about their profits so much?

I buy trucks made in China. But I’d prefer to buy trucks made in the USA.

Agreed. The race to the bottom is real and bipartisan. Ideally under our current economic system, all countries should have robust means of production that is ethical and profitable.

There is a reason it's been historically cheaper to manufacture in China, and it has less to do with quality of product and more to do with the quality of worker's lives.

Edit: and, of course, looser environmental protections.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 18, 2020, 09:37:11 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on December 18, 2020, 08:09:04 AM

2. Protectionist MAGA rhetoric. Literally the same shit Trump and his supporters say.



Made in USA is also something that has been championed by unions, leftist and environmentalists for decades. C'mon, you are not that uneducated.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 18, 2020, 10:10:29 AM
Quote from: Ok on December 18, 2020, 08:51:54 AM
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How have skaters not realized that the anti China talk is:

1. Bullshit. Chinese manufacturing at scale is often as high or higher quality than American. Many high end composite and metal parts are made in China in other industries.
2. Protectionist MAGA rhetoric. Literally the same shit Trump and his supporters say.

My Chinese Indys ride the same as my American ones and there is no difference in quality. I get it if people are mad that NHS moved production away from Ermico and stopped supporting a foundry that has a history in skating, but it said foundry can’t meet production targets at a competitive cost there is a point where it doesn’t make sense to use them.
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Bullshit, to your bullshit.

I’d prefer, to the point of paying significantly more, things to be manufactured closer to me, for a many reasons, including: jobs for people closer to me, less shipping stuff around the world, hopefully better protections for the workers, hopefully better protections for the environment.

Didn’t know you were a fucking stockholder in all major truck brands. Why the fuck do you care about their profits so much?

I buy trucks made in China. But I’d prefer to buy trucks made in the USA.

Again, all neo-con myths. Goods being produced closer doesn’t mean more or better jobs depending on the labor structure nearby and the wages and specialization required for such jobs. Ermico isn’t employing hundreds of specialized workers and its extremely unlikely they have any impact on local employment or local economy. They’re just a foundry that has been used for a while and likely just employ whatever union workers need a gig.

I don’t care about their profits more about the myths that any of this really matters. I more have an issue with skaters, who claim to be about generally libertarian, anarchist, or leftist principles being a giant oxymoron by adopting conservative talking points about things like trucks just so they sound more core.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 18, 2020, 10:33:56 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on December 18, 2020, 10:10:29 AM
Quote from: Ok on December 18, 2020, 08:51:54 AM
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Quote from: ballintoohard on December 18, 2020, 08:09:04 AM
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How have skaters not realized that the anti China talk is:

1. Bullshit. Chinese manufacturing at scale is often as high or higher quality than American. Many high end composite and metal parts are made in China in other industries.
2. Protectionist MAGA rhetoric. Literally the same shit Trump and his supporters say.

My Chinese Indys ride the same as my American ones and there is no difference in quality. I get it if people are mad that NHS moved production away from Ermico and stopped supporting a foundry that has a history in skating, but it said foundry can’t meet production targets at a competitive cost there is a point where it doesn’t make sense to use them.
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Bullshit, to your bullshit.

I’d prefer, to the point of paying significantly more, things to be manufactured closer to me, for a many reasons, including: jobs for people closer to me, less shipping stuff around the world, hopefully better protections for the workers, hopefully better protections for the environment.

Didn’t know you were a fucking stockholder in all major truck brands. Why the fuck do you care about their profits so much?

I buy trucks made in China. But I’d prefer to buy trucks made in the USA.
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Again, all neo-con myths. Goods being produced closer doesn’t mean more or better jobs depending on the labor structure nearby and the wages and specialization required for such jobs. Ermico isn’t employing hundreds of specialized workers and its extremely unlikely they have any impact on local employment or local economy. They’re just a foundry that has been used for a while and likely just employ whatever union workers need a gig.

I don’t care about their profits more about the myths that any of this really matters. I more have an issue with skaters, who claim to be about generally libertarian, anarchist, or leftist principles being a giant oxymoron by adopting conservative talking points about things like trucks just so they sound more core.


lol. Sound more core.




Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on December 18, 2020, 10:41:50 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on December 18, 2020, 10:10:29 AM
Quote from: Ok on December 18, 2020, 08:51:54 AM
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Quote from: ballintoohard on December 18, 2020, 08:09:04 AM
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How have skaters not realized that the anti China talk is:

1. Bullshit. Chinese manufacturing at scale is often as high or higher quality than American. Many high end composite and metal parts are made in China in other industries.
2. Protectionist MAGA rhetoric. Literally the same shit Trump and his supporters say.

My Chinese Indys ride the same as my American ones and there is no difference in quality. I get it if people are mad that NHS moved production away from Ermico and stopped supporting a foundry that has a history in skating, but it said foundry can’t meet production targets at a competitive cost there is a point where it doesn’t make sense to use them.
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Bullshit, to your bullshit.

I’d prefer, to the point of paying significantly more, things to be manufactured closer to me, for a many reasons, including: jobs for people closer to me, less shipping stuff around the world, hopefully better protections for the workers, hopefully better protections for the environment.

Didn’t know you were a fucking stockholder in all major truck brands. Why the fuck do you care about their profits so much?

I buy trucks made in China. But I’d prefer to buy trucks made in the USA.
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Again, all neo-con myths. Goods being produced closer doesn’t mean more or better jobs depending on the labor structure nearby and the wages and specialization required for such jobs. Ermico isn’t employing hundreds of specialized workers and its extremely unlikely they have any impact on local employment or local economy. They’re just a foundry that has been used for a while and likely just employ whatever union workers need a gig.

I don’t care about their profits more about the myths that any of this really matters. I more have an issue with skaters, who claim to be about generally libertarian, anarchist, or leftist principles being a giant oxymoron by adopting conservative talking points about things like trucks just so they sound more core.

Do you know what neocon means?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Urtripping on December 18, 2020, 10:49:35 AM
It is not a myth that American companies manufacture product in other countries to save money at the expense of people's lives and the environment. If regulations in China were closer to other developed nations, everyone would probably be riding American made trucks.

It is bigger than skateboarding so I have no idea how supporting American made products can be "core." It has been a bipartisan working class belief for decades.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 18, 2020, 11:20:17 AM
Interestingly there are certain industries that operate just as cleanly in China and other developing countries. It’s not 1:1. Composites are often made in China and Taiwan because there is much tighter quality controls and lower cost of making molds. The industry itself looks almost no different than it does here, and there is often more R&D money pouring in. Assuming things are universally barbaric is again, xenophobic.

And yes I know what neo con means and I classify this talking point as neo con because it first became popular in the early 1970s when manufacturing in begin to move East and picked up steam in the 80’s when economists and security scholars begin to weave social, moral, and other arguments to protectionism when they lacked the data to make typical arguments.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Urtripping on December 18, 2020, 12:07:27 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on December 18, 2020, 11:20:17 AM
Interestingly there are certain industries that operate just as cleanly in China and other developing countries. It’s not 1:1. Composites are often made in China and Taiwan because there is much tighter quality controls and lower cost of making molds. The industry itself looks almost no different than it does here, and there is often more R&D money pouring in. Assuming things are universally barbaric is again, xenophobic.

And yes I know what neo con means and I classify this talking point as neo con because it first became popular in the early 1970s when manufacturing in begin to move East and picked up steam in the 80’s when economists and security scholars begin to weave social, moral, and other arguments to protectionism when they lacked the data to make typical arguments.

I don't think it's xenophobic to recognize that american companies exploited the fact that China had an abundance of low wage workers and permissive regulations when moving into the global economy in the late 70's and 80's and through the years as it has developed. This is a fact, and it's how economies have historically developed. I'm not blaming China for this or hating them for it, if anything I resent the US and other major western countries for exploiting this development so hard.

Wages have risen specifically in China, and in 2020 it's manufacturing sector is obviously more complex than just sweatshops pumping toxins into the ocean. But it is a gigantic country and doesn't adhere to minimum wage laws or child labor laws everywhere.

Also, as China is still a manufacturing based economy, they will continue to pollute more than other nations and have looser environmental regulations and noncompliance with them just like the US did when it was a manufacturing based economy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Urtripping on December 18, 2020, 12:10:48 PM
Also sorry to everyone who just wants to learn more about skateboard truck set ups.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 18, 2020, 12:31:20 PM
I think there is a distinction here, which is what I've been unsuccessfully getting at. You're not wrong, but your average skater isn't articulating any of that. Many of the earlier arguments against Chindy's was that the QC was worse, when it was actually the same or better. Next, people were claiming about all the lost jobs, when they have no actual evidence that Ermico lost jobs or skaters were negatively impacted. It was the same types of arguments as when Nike and others entered the skate market, which have turned out to be erroneous. Lastly, I doubt many skaters are forgoing the other hundreds of products they buy yearly that are Chinese made or next day'd via Amazon. So it's sort of a complete red herring argument that people are using just to fit in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 18, 2020, 02:50:51 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on December 18, 2020, 08:12:18 AM
Did a simple test this morning as I have 2 decks with the same wheels and dimensions one with Indys and one with Venture High. I found a piece of chalk at a nearby basketball court and used a piece of string to make some circles of varying radii. I then started in the same spot with 2 pushes and just followed the circles. I was able to get the same exact performance from both trucks. The Ventures took slightly more pressure when the circle was tight. So they turn just fine.

Regardless of where they are made, I have found with almost all brands, it is all about the bushings and the clearance height for how much a truck is able to turn, as some do not have much natural clearance (wheelbite and stop without having risers or micro wheels) and others have stock bushings that would not allow the truck as full a turn as when softer (or lower tops as I do - cut down the top a mm) bushings are used.

The other side of it is finding a happy medium to suit the individuals needs too, eg not having trucks so loose that you cannot do normal tricks without causing wheelbite or wobbles, but not having them so tight that you cannot turn when you need to.

Most small kids or lighter skaters will have the same problem as big heavy guys, albeit at the opposite ends of the scale, so finding bushings that work for you will also make things a whole lot easier, if the stock bushings don't perform as needed.

It is fun for me messing around with all manner of brands and parts and a wide range of setups to see what works and what doesn't, but it can get very frustrating for a skater who doesn't have access to or know about options for their setup and is stuck trying to fix something that they don't know enough about and only have things like online help, but at least the Slap pals are able to help with opinions and product knowledge here too.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 18, 2020, 03:12:08 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on December 18, 2020, 02:50:51 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on December 18, 2020, 08:12:18 AM
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Did a simple test this morning as I have 2 decks with the same wheels and dimensions one with Indys and one with Venture High. I found a piece of chalk at a nearby basketball court and used a piece of string to make some circles of varying radii. I then started in the same spot with 2 pushes and just followed the circles. I was able to get the same exact performance from both trucks. The Ventures took slightly more pressure when the circle was tight. So they turn just fine.
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Regardless of where they are made, I have found with almost all brands, it is all about the bushings and the clearance height for how much a truck is able to turn, as some do not have much natural clearance (wheelbite and stop without having risers or micro wheels) and others have stock bushings that would not allow the truck as full a turn as when softer (or lower tops as I do - cut down the top a mm) bushings are used.

The other side of it is finding a happy medium to suit the individuals needs too, eg not having trucks so loose that you cannot do normal tricks without causing wheelbite or wobbles, but not having them so tight that you cannot turn when you need to.

Most small kids or lighter skaters will have the same problem as big heavy guys, albeit at the opposite ends of the scale, so finding bushings that work for you will also make things a whole lot easier, if the stock bushings don't perform as needed.

It is fun for me messing around with all manner of brands and parts and a wide range of setups to see what works and what doesn't, but it can get very frustrating for a skater who doesn't have access to or know about options for their setup and is stuck trying to fix something that they don't know enough about and only have things like online help, but at least the Slap pals are able to help with opinions and product knowledge here too.
ran all my ventures with ace bottoms and slightly shaved tops. bar the lows, they turn better than any stock indy ive rode
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 18, 2020, 04:15:03 PM
Hmm Ace tall bottoms and low tops? I've got those around, might be time to fux with my shit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on December 18, 2020, 04:30:49 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on December 18, 2020, 04:15:03 PM
Hmm Ace tall bottoms and low tops? I've got those around, might be time to fux with my shit.

yer life about to change
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on December 18, 2020, 04:31:00 PM
all that talk about hollow vs standard or whatever had me switch some trucks around. had to put the standards on the shaped curb setup. hollows went to the egg, since the tail is so short. truck madness can fuck those mounting holes up.

for what its worth, i lined up titaniums with the hollows and the forged plates don't extend your wheelbase a whole eighth of an inch at all, at least mine didn't.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nicki on December 18, 2020, 09:47:21 PM
Quote from: Urtripping on December 18, 2020, 12:10:48 PM
Also sorry to everyone who just wants to learn more about skateboard truck set ups.

All good, amazed you spent your time on that illogical rant. So, localism is neocon? Offshoring to save costs is anti-xenophobic? What a dumpster fire.

I believe this is the correct response their confused shitstorm.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YpuRcmPnSTM

Anyway, it’d at leat be good if manufacturers were honest about where things are made. The baseplates used to say USA, now just blank. Sometimes made in China is hidden on a tag or sticker, or not at all. Weak sauce. Respect to Mullen for atleast openly saying and showing dwindle in China saying that they can save costs on production so they can use individual presses and keep price low. Same with PS, they moved to Mexico because ProfSmitt said they’d go out of biz if they hadn’t. And they print it on the board. No hiding.

It’s not complicated - The companies have two choices, put up price or reduce production costs by reducing labour costs. They can’t reduce labour costs locally because it would be illegal, so they move labour to a country that those wages aren’t illegal. Ok. So why hide the fact? Just be honest ffs.

Or even better, do both - like bones. If you can’t afford/don’t want to pay for bearings made in Switzerland, you can buy Reds made in China. Good deal, no sneaky bullshit.

Ok, enough. I’m currently riding titanium 145 hangers on the OG/Team baseplates (USA), bones yellow, washer top and bottom to correct for thunders. Love it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 18, 2020, 10:17:13 PM
Pretty sure Powell intended on making the minilogo truck in the US but saw the cost so they canned it and eventually made it off shore as a price point.....

If the factories are set up right, there's no reason they can't make good trucks in China.  It's not that high end.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Urtripping on December 19, 2020, 08:32:16 AM
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All good, amazed you spent your time on that illogical rant. So, localism is neocon? Offshoring to save costs is anti-xenophobic? What a dumpster fire.

I didn't say either of those things so why are you quoting me?


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It’s not complicated - The companies have two choices, put up price or reduce production costs by reducing labour costs. They can’t reduce labour costs locally because it would be illegal, so they move labour to a country that those wages aren’t illegal. Ok. So why hide the fact? Just be honest ffs.

Everyone seemed to understand those two choices, we were just making cases for/against choosing to manufacture in China. Some of us here are opposed to Chinese manufacturing and our reasons had nothing to do at all with product quality. Others were making the case that Chinese manufacturing is not stuck in the past and has developed beyond criminally low wages and the use of child labor, which is true in many cases. We also knew that most companies are aware of the negative connotation attached to "Made in China," so it's pretty obvious why they wouldn't be using it as a selling point in the US where the "they took our jobs" crowd has a strong grip on politics. If you want companies to "be honest," then I wish you luck.

Just because you didn't understand what was being said doesn't mean it didn't make sense. I believe this is the correct response your confused shitstorm.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YpuRcmPnSTM


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Ok, enough. I’m currently riding titanium 145 hangers on the OG/Team baseplates (USA), bones yellow, washer top and bottom to correct for thunders. Love it.

This I can get down with. Thunders and bones bushings are a perfect combination. I prefer the hard ones over the medium ones though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 19, 2020, 12:40:51 PM
To me the xenophbia comes from assuming that all Chinese labor is sweatshops or substandard. It shows a very shallow understanding of Chinese technology and skilled manufacturing as well as developments in labor standards in some industries over the past 2 decades. As someone that had a career analyzing Asian labor economics, these arguments are the same ones being put forth in social science journals by those that also write for the Heritage foundation and universally act as if everywhere but the West has abysmal labor and safety practices. Many, many places do, but skilled manufacturing often does not. The issue I have is ignorant skaters waxing on about topics like this when they likely haven't read the news in their adult life let alone have any idea what factory is being used or where.

Also, local labor can often be very inefficient and doesn't always translate to local economic benefits versus allocating resources towards other sectors such as service or even subsets of skilled labor. Pouring trucks in SF has little impact on the economy versus say, being an electrician or before COVID, working in the service sector. "Close to home" is an antiquated argument especially if you take into account things such as the carbon impact of sourcing and shipping materials.

At the end of the day there are no real arguments for or where trucks sh0uld be made. Skaters need to stop parroting this bullshit and just say they're stoked off Bobby's part and wanna try Ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bob Dylan Jaeb on December 19, 2020, 12:53:49 PM
Um Ballintoohard is a fucking dork. Thats all i got to say about that
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 19, 2020, 01:00:06 PM
shit at least i own it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 19, 2020, 01:04:00 PM
I am not parroting shit. Wanting stuff to be made closer to where I am has a host of benefits, as some have pointed out succinctly in this thread. You, ballin, seem to be arguing with some points that folks are not making here, and those arguments you make, have some truth to them: there can be some ugly xenophobic/maga bullshit with made in the USA championing. I haven’t seen that expressed recently in this thread, if at all. The ‘Chindy’s’ thing sounds medium sus for sure, although I tend to feel like Indy gives me maga vibes on the regular. I personally don’t buy stuff on Amazon, at this point in my life, and hope to be able to keep it that way. There are many items that are not available to be purchased closer to where I live and that is generally not a good thing for the planet, or people near me. I don’t think ermico gives so many jobs that it totally changes the local economy, but some better than none. Your choice to include Nike as a positive example of overseas labor is so fucking stupid and ill timed with their recent lobbying to protect their horrifying use of forced labor.
You bring up some points, but if anyone is ‘parroting’ anything it’s you with your grab bag of buzzwords and straw man bullshit. Skateboarding is still able to be influenced by its customers, unlike a lot of other areas of our lives, so to me, purchasing stuff from the local shop, and trying to buy stuff made closer does make some sense, and it is worth it for me to vote with my dollars.
I’ll stay supporting local shit that matters to me, you can keep amassing skate products from Amazon. Like a turd.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 19, 2020, 02:25:44 PM
No one has pointed out that metal goods and local foundry work has any inherent benefits. You cannot treat all labor and all goods equally. It's bullshit at best.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 19, 2020, 03:08:33 PM
can yall do this in your pm's please
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 19, 2020, 04:21:56 PM
I'm cool with letting it die. I think Indy's are still good trucks and the move doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nicki on December 19, 2020, 10:59:23 PM
Quote from: Urtripping on December 19, 2020, 08:32:16 AM
All good, amazed you spent your time[responding to that other guy’s] illogical rant. So, localism is neocon? Offshoring to save costs is anti-xenophobic? What a dumpster fire [from that other guy].

“I didn't say either of those things so why are you quoting me?”


Well that went horribly wrong! I was trying to agree with you and support your considered responses, but somehow managed to insult you. My bad. I was obviously too drunk and not lucid enough to get my point across. Luckily OK has done it for me. I back this 100%.

Quote from: Ok on December 19, 2020, 01:04:00 PM
I am not parroting shit. Wanting stuff to be made closer to where I am has a host of benefits, as some have pointed out succinctly in this thread. You, ballin, seem to be arguing with some points that folks are not making here, and those arguments you make, have some truth to them: there can be some ugly xenophobic/maga bullshit with made in the USA championing. I haven’t seen that expressed recently in this thread, if at all. The ‘Chindy’s’ thing sounds medium sus for sure, although I tend to feel like Indy gives me maga vibes on the regular. I personally don’t buy stuff on Amazon, at this point in my life, and hope to be able to keep it that way. There are many items that are not available to be purchased closer to where I live and that is generally not a good thing for the planet, or people near me. I don’t think ermico gives so many jobs that it totally changes the local economy, but some better than none. Your choice to include Nike as a positive example of overseas labor is so fucking stupid and ill timed with their recent lobbying to protect their horrifying use of forced labor.
You bring up some points, but if anyone is ‘parroting’ anything it’s you with your grab bag of buzzwords and straw man bullshit. Skateboarding is still able to be influenced by its customers, unlike a lot of other areas of our lives, so to me, purchasing stuff from the local shop, and trying to buy stuff made closer does make some sense, and it is worth it for me to vote with my dollars.
I’ll stay supporting local shit that matters to me, you can keep amassing skate products from Amazon. Like a turd.

I really don’t think it’s too much to ask to know where things are made. That’s what started this conversation, and still no clear answer if any Thunder (or Venture) are still US made.

Anyway, this has inspired my latest truck project is resurrecting some (USA made) mid90s trucks I found in the back of the shed, just need new kingpins, bushings, cup etc.
Guess what brand. Here’s a clue - “Name this roster” - Koston, Penny, Kalis, Markovich, Kareem.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Urtripping on December 20, 2020, 05:53:03 AM
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Anyway, this has inspired my latest truck project is resurrecting some (USA made) mid90s trucks I found in the back of the shed, just need new kingpins, bushings, cup etc.
Guess what brand. Here’s a clue - “Name this roster” - Koston, Penny, Kalis, Markovich, Kareem.

All good, and I'm too young to remember what trucks these guys would have all been riding when they were in the same team, but didn't Kalis used to ride Orion trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nicki on December 20, 2020, 06:49:39 AM
Quote from: Urtripping on December 20, 2020, 05:53:03 AM
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Anyway, this has inspired my latest truck project is resurrecting some (USA made) mid90s trucks I found in the back of the shed, just need new kingpins, bushings, cup etc.
Guess what brand. Here’s a clue - “Name this roster” - Koston, Penny, Kalis, Markovich, Kareem.
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All good, and I'm too young to remember what trucks these guys would have all been riding when they were in the same team, but didn't Kalis used to ride Orion trucks?

That’s the one - Dyrdek’s Orion Trucks!
Pure nostalgia.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVhwS-DBLTJ/?igshid=1oono9hsc4163



https://www.instagram.com/p/-lpzBbgDI5/?igshid=1mev8t8wi3us9



https://www.instagram.com/p/BBj2BQJADNk/?igshid=1626cxdf0cgbw

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 20, 2020, 06:55:10 AM
I had Orion’s, thought they were a lighter Indy. Looking at them now they look a lot like a Stage 11. Don’t remember them being bad either just not very popular. Think I got them on a Kalis AWS and rode them on an A-Team and a Bill Pepper Element that had the most insane concave I’ve ever seen to this day.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 20, 2020, 08:27:50 AM
I think Orion was a tracker rebrand......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nicki on December 20, 2020, 09:26:49 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 20, 2020, 08:27:50 AM
I think Orion was a tracker rebrand......

Really? I remember that Orion and Destructo were the first I saw with just the new school pattern, while Thunder/Venture/Indy were still running 6 holes. Destructos were way better made (if Orion was copying Indy, then Destructo copied Thunders) and were definitely the better of the two. I’m looking at them both now (both US made) and the Orion look really rough next to the Destructos. The best thing Orion had going was their team, otherwise pretty ordinary to be honest (and terrible bushings), but still a cool thing.

So you’re saying that Tracker bankrolled it/was the manufacturer? If that’s true that would be an interesting twist for sure.

Found this article on Dyrdek - https://foundr.com/brand-building-rob-dyrdek-machine.

“The first business of his own was called Orion Trucks, offering a line of the T-shaped metal parts that attach the wheels to the underside of a skateboard.

Dyrdek created the concept, outlined the product idea, found a manufacturer, hand-sketched the logo and built the entire brand. He also pulled together his “dream team” of fellow professional skateboarders to serve as brand ambassadors and investors.

Through a partnership with a manufacturer in San Diego, Dyrdek officially launched Orion Trucks. And he did all of this for 0.5 percent of every sale. Although the payout wasn’t ideal, it was Dyrdek’s first tangible experience with creating something of his own, with the help of some fruitful relationships, of course.

“It was kind of my first step in soup-to-nuts brand building,” he recalls, “but it was the clear lack of financial understanding of business that led to me doing a percentage-of-sales deal, which didn’t give me much more than a royalty for all that hard work.”

Over the next few years, as the skateboarding industry overall experienced a dip, the already niche market became increasingly small, and the business opportunity ran its course. He walked away with a valuable lesson.

“There was no major opportunity . You’re selling a niche product to a niche market that’s already highly competitive, with no innovation or differentiation in the product,” Dyrdek says. “At the end of the day, really great ambassadors and high-level marketing can’t necessarily sell a product that isn’t innovative in the space.”
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ok boomer on December 20, 2020, 06:38:26 PM
Anyone ride Thunder 145s? I ride smaller boards, only rode 145s back in 2005 or something like that. Are these low, high or both?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LewFarrell on December 20, 2020, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: ok boomer on December 20, 2020, 06:38:26 PM
Anyone ride Thunder 145s? I ride smaller boards, only rode 145s back in 2005 or something like that. Are these low, high or both?

They are low for sure. Team (cast) models are ~49mm, Lights (forged) are ~48mm.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nicki on December 20, 2020, 09:03:51 PM
Quote from: ok boomer on December 20, 2020, 06:38:26 PM
Anyone ride Thunder 145s? I ride smaller boards, only rode 145s back in 2005 or something like that. Are these low, high or both?

Thunder calls them Hi’s, but really they are mids. Thunder doesn’t make lows (anymore).

Yep. I rode 145 back in the 90s, went up to 147 for a while, but then back on 145 - less weight, quicker flip, it works for me. Even if i’m riding an 8, I’ll just put in extra speed rings rather than size up. The 145 and 147 are the same baseplates, the hangers are interchangeable for 145/147, and same trucks height - 49mm with the light baseplates, 50mm with the OG/Team.

https://www.thundertrucks.com/sizing/

Quote from: Nicki on December 18, 2020, 09:47:21 PM

I’m currently riding titanium 145 hangers on the OG/Team baseplates (USA), bones yellow, washer top and bottom to correct for thunders. Love it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ok boomer on December 21, 2020, 05:50:42 AM
Cool thanks. I thought I read no more lows . I think the ones I had in 06 were low but it doesn't sound much different
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hiljentaa on December 21, 2020, 07:08:06 PM
I remember someone was looking for Krux DLK kingpins, saw SW has em now:

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Krux_Downlow_Replacement_King_Pins/descpage-KXRKP.html

Also, I bought some Tensor ATG MagLights and they showed up. Hoping to setup a new board and test em out a bit tomorrow.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 21, 2020, 07:14:10 PM
Got some Indy aftermarket bushings for my new Indy's.  Took the stock bushings off and they are identical to the replacements. Also, while the hangers were off I went to my closet and pulled out my aftermarket Indy pivot cups. These usually look less shiny/cleaner molding and the new ones are a match as well. So, that has improve with Indy from the move.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 21, 2020, 09:27:31 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on December 21, 2020, 07:14:10 PM
Got some Indy aftermarket bushings for my new Indy's.  Took the stock bushings off and they are identical to the replacements. Also, while the hangers were off I went to my closet and pulled out my aftermarket Indy pivot cups. These usually look less shiny/cleaner molding and the new ones are a match as well. So, that has improve with Indy from the move.

The aftermarket Indy bushings might look the same but perform differently to the stock bushings, unless they have changed the stock ones since the last lot I got.  Orange in the stock are supposed to be 90 duro, but often harden up considerably, but the aftermarket orange also at 90 tend to start off a bit harder and soften up over time.  Weird but that is what I found.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 21, 2020, 09:42:00 PM
I have a durometer and they measured identical so that would be super odd. They would have to be a fundamentally different material.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on December 22, 2020, 12:06:22 AM
They used to be slightly different color, stock ones being more yellow-ish orange while aftermarket were bright clean orange. All the sets I’ve seen lately has had those bright orange ones stock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 22, 2020, 12:30:35 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on December 21, 2020, 09:42:00 PM
I have a durometer and they measured identical so that would be super odd. They would have to be a fundamentally different material.
Quote from: Krooked antihero  on December 22, 2020, 12:06:22 AM
They used to be slightly different color, stock ones being more yellow-ish orange while aftermarket were bright clean orange. All the sets I’ve seen lately has had those bright orange ones stock.

That would make sense then, that the stock ones are now the same as the after market ones.

Just funny that they had such different bushings, even some of the stock dark red coloured ones were so hard compared to the other ones, but all the rest of the stock bushings - white, black, another colour and of course orange in the stage 11s were all the same when we tested them, cause some people were tripping on the different coloured bushings in all the various versions of the trucks, mainly the different graphic trucks, eg Thrasher versions, Wes Kremer, Luan Olivera, round cross logo, bar logo, etc.  So many of them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mbam003 on December 22, 2020, 04:55:36 AM
Is the added heft on Indy 149 Standards really that relevant in transition vs the Titaniums? I'm trying to get a nice compromise setup going with the 149 Titaniums, but I have been skating a giant bowl recently that requires a lot of carving. Since all the transition dudes skate the standards it leaves me wondering whether the reduced weight and height of the Titaniums is a legit concern that would leave me struggling for stability on carves or just another example of a bad artist blaming the instrument. I'm not gonna do 10 foot airs or go around some gnarly abandoned bowl at Mach 10, but I would appreciate a truck that would be easier to flip around.Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 22, 2020, 08:27:43 AM
I don't think so....I even think something heavier feels more stable.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on December 22, 2020, 12:19:09 PM
if you're buying orange aftermarkets, watch out there's fuckery afoot with shop kids swapping their new stock bushing out for aftermarkets.

aftermarkets are more opaque and the stocks are slightly translucent.

i got some orange aftermarkts sent to me like this, they looked brand new but when i looked close, they were slightly sliver where they sat in the hanger and were more trans than aftermarkets. if i hadn't taken apart a lot of new trucks i might not have noticed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 22, 2020, 12:57:09 PM
Weird, mine are sitting right here in good lighting and look identical. I might just put them in to not freak out mentally even tho I'm convinced they're the same. They were brand new out of a box from NHS.

Despite feeling pretty damn at home on my Indy's lately and 139 finally feeling normal. I have a stupid itch to go down to 5.2 Low's and stick around 8-8.25. I like narrower trucks quite a bit more, but a 17.25-17.375WB
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 22, 2020, 01:47:16 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on December 22, 2020, 12:57:09 PM
Quote from: BL0B on December 22, 2020, 12:19:09 PM
if you're buying orange aftermarkets, watch out there's fuckery afoot with shop kids swapping their new stock bushing out for aftermarkets.

aftermarkets are more opaque and the stocks are slightly translucent.

i got some orange aftermarkts sent to me like this, they looked brand new but when i looked close, they were slightly sliver where they sat in the hanger and were more trans than aftermarkets. if i hadn't taken apart a lot of new trucks i might not have noticed.

People have tried that with other bushings too and usually get caught out, but the most annoying one I have heard of is a local shop always upselling to Bones bushings for newbies without even telling the customer, then keeping the Indy stock bushings to sell as plain packaged generic bushings.

Awesome humans!

As to bushing colour, I know I have posted this one before (sorry) but if you check out all up to the second last pic (stock bushings) and the last pic (aftermarket bushings) you can see the difference.

As said, Indy stock are a darker and more murky orange colour, but the aftermarket ones are a lot brighter and more plastic looking, for want of a better explanation but you should get what I mean.  It might not be much, but it is there.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BpGf4tGlRyf/


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mbam003 on December 26, 2020, 05:37:15 AM
Do forged baseplates throw off nose/tailslides or is it negligible?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 26, 2020, 06:53:30 AM
Quote from: mbam003 on December 26, 2020, 05:37:15 AM
Do forged baseplates throw off nose/tailslides or is it negligible?

They are ever so slightly thinner, but they are stronger, and still slide just as well if not better than the standard cast ones, from what some of the guys I know who skate them a lot.  I have their old gear, including some well worn baseplates, so they would say negligible.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mbam003 on December 26, 2020, 12:15:06 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on December 26, 2020, 06:53:30 AM
Quote from: mbam003 on December 26, 2020, 05:37:15 AM
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Do forged baseplates throw off nose/tailslides or is it negligible?
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They are ever so slightly thinner, but they are stronger, and still slide just as well if not better than the standard cast ones, from what some of the guys I know who skate them a lot.  I have their old gear, including some well worn baseplates, so they would say negligible.

Perfect answer, thanks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on December 27, 2020, 07:21:15 PM
Have thunder titanium’s being discontinued cause I have not come across since the beginning of the summer
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 27, 2020, 08:42:58 PM
I bought a pair in August so likely not. And DLX had them when I went there in November.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on December 28, 2020, 11:38:06 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/MioLKaA.jpg)
indy hanger, hollow axle
ace baseplate
ace top bushing
indy conical bottom bushing
suregrip kingpin (https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3453430#msg3453430)
bones washer
https://gfycat.com/disfiguredmeaslyangelwingmussel
it's okay. gonna go back to stock ace (sans pivot cups) after this
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on December 28, 2020, 11:50:39 AM
Thunder 148 team baseplate non hollows.
Ace low bushings
Ace pivot cups only because the stocks blew out.
This is the dream setup for me. Stable while being able to turn sharp when needed. The pop feel on thunders is the best for me and the setups I ride. The only complaint I ever had was the stock bushings blowing out but now that's solved and I couldn't be happier.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on December 29, 2020, 05:29:23 AM
Quote from: anon on December 28, 2020, 11:38:06 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/MioLKaA.jpg)
indy hanger, hollow axle
ace baseplate
ace top bushing
indy conical bottom bushing
suregrip kingpin (https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3453430#msg3453430)
bones washer
https://gfycat.com/disfiguredmeaslyangelwingmussel
it's okay. gonna go back to stock ace (sans pivot cups) after this

When my ace die I plan on taking an Indy ti hanger to the ace baseplates. Did it feel close to ace ? Was the geo about the same?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 29, 2020, 05:56:08 AM
The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 

https://youtu.be/Gfk_W3W-xY0
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hiljentaa on December 29, 2020, 06:07:07 AM
^ I'm sure this was already known, but I was interested to learn that they are planning on releasing the inverted kingpin baseplates separately in March that work with all modern Indys.

I don't really have a need for them myself, but I'd be interested to see how a pair of Stage 11s look with Krux DLKs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 29, 2020, 07:14:12 AM
You can buy krux down lo's....I like the design better. 

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on December 29, 2020, 07:59:26 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 29, 2020, 05:56:08 AM
The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 

https://youtu.be/Gfk_W3W-xY0

"I ran a truck company for 17 years, and I still don't understand all the nuances of truck geometry.  I just wanted to make them look like wood."
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on December 29, 2020, 08:01:46 AM
Quote from: hiljentaa on December 29, 2020, 06:07:07 AM
I'd be interested to see how a pair of Stage 11s look with Krux DLKs.
Just read through the thread and you'll see a few.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 29, 2020, 08:50:06 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 29, 2020, 05:56:08 AM
The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 

https://youtu.be/Gfk_W3W-xY0

Informative video, I mean, compared to most things that one can find regarding skateboard equipment.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on December 29, 2020, 09:44:11 AM
Quote from: Murge on December 29, 2020, 05:29:23 AM
When my ace die I plan on taking an Indy ti hanger to the ace baseplates. Did it feel close to ace ? Was the geo about the same?
about the same, yes. i can feel the height difference, though. it's a little more tipsy and less stable than ace. also, the distance from the pivot to kingpin is shorter on ace and indy hangers are a bit taller. when combined, the yoke will be at a slight downward angle (compared to stock indy) and the top bushing won't sit properly. others have tried this combination and haven't mentioned this, so it's most likely not that big of a deal. but yeah, feels more like an ace
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 29, 2020, 12:05:22 PM
I've ran Indy hangers on Ace baseplates and as long as the bottom bushing is an Ace or Krux with the included bottom washer, the top bushing sits fine for whatever bushing you choose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on December 29, 2020, 05:25:09 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 29, 2020, 05:56:08 AM
The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 

https://youtu.be/Gfk_W3W-xY0

Forged and Ti mids @ 50.5mm coming out next spring.  Timestamp 13:16
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 29, 2020, 05:26:22 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 29, 2020, 12:05:22 PM
I've ran Indy hangers on Ace baseplates and as long as the bottom bushing is an Ace or Krux with the included bottom washer, the top bushing sits fine for whatever bushing you choose.

Why did you stop? No diss: I know you liked the ace turn, but weren’t fond of the qc. Seems like the Indy hanger/ace plate would be the answer for you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 30, 2020, 03:15:40 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 29, 2020, 05:56:08 AM
The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 


Sure does!

If I wasn't so happily setup with a dozen sets of regular Stage 11 149s on my boards, I would be so keen to buy / try a set of mids after watching this.

It would be interesting to see some and feel how they skate anyway, but I am more than happy with what I already have.

This definitely puts them in a better light than just the specs or the Ben DG video, but Ron is NHS to the core, so is also a good salesman for his own in house brands.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 30, 2020, 06:05:13 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on December 30, 2020, 03:15:40 AM
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The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 

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Sure does!

If I wasn't so happily setup with a dozen sets of regular Stage 11 149s on my boards, I would be so keen to buy / try a set of mids after watching this.

It would be interesting to see some and feel how they skate anyway, but I am more than happy with what I already have.

This definitely puts them in a better light than just the specs or the Ben DG video, but Ron is NHS to the core, so is also a good salesman for his own in house brands.

Agreed.  Very interesting point he makes about the shaft nut increasing the weight and that being centered on the baseplate.  I remember reading that Rodney Mullen would tape or glue BBs in the cavities of his baseplate for added weight in the center of his board.

None of this is going to help me tre flip though haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 30, 2020, 07:36:48 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 30, 2020, 06:05:13 AM
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The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 

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Sure does!

If I wasn't so happily setup with a dozen sets of regular Stage 11 149s on my boards, I would be so keen to buy / try a set of mids after watching this.

It would be interesting to see some and feel how they skate anyway, but I am more than happy with what I already have.

This definitely puts them in a better light than just the specs or the Ben DG video, but Ron is NHS to the core, so is also a good salesman for his own in house brands.
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Agreed.  Very interesting point he makes about the shaft nut increasing the weight and that being centered on the baseplate.  I remember reading that Rodney Mullen would tape or glue BBs in the cavities of his baseplate for added weight in the center of his board.

None of this is going to help me tre flip though haha



I’m not sure why this trick has gotten so far away from me. Once upon a back in the day it was easier than a kickflip, now it’s not gonna happen. The best I can do is make it look like I’m 2 or 3 tries from putting it down. Mirage.
I’d sadly buy whatever setup I thought would make this easier....but the setup I need is new mcls.
The mids do look interesting to me, haven’t heard anyone really extol the virtues of them tho.
The setup in the video looked sick and I found myself wanting to get it, dude is like a foot taller than me tho. Not sure why wide shit looks so cool to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 30, 2020, 07:54:56 AM
Quote from: Ok on December 29, 2020, 05:26:22 PM
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I've ran Indy hangers on Ace baseplates and as long as the bottom bushing is an Ace or Krux with the included bottom washer, the top bushing sits fine for whatever bushing you choose.
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Why did you stop? No diss: I know you liked the ace turn, but weren’t fond of the qc. Seems like the Indy hanger/ace plate would be the answer for you.

The madness never stops....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 30, 2020, 09:25:55 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on December 30, 2020, 03:15:40 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 29, 2020, 05:56:08 AM
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The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 

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Sure does!

If I wasn't so happily setup with a dozen sets of regular Stage 11 149s on my boards, I would be so keen to buy / try a set of mids after watching this.

It would be interesting to see some and feel how they skate anyway, but I am more than happy with what I already have.

This definitely puts them in a better light than just the specs or the Ben DG video, but Ron is NHS to the core, so is also a good salesman for his own in house brands.

I skimmed through it but I don't think he mentions the hanger and that its beefier....there's some weight there for sure....BD I think mentions this. 

I'll consider titaniums....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Pee nis on December 30, 2020, 11:53:15 AM
Anyone ran both indy 144 (53.5) and venture v-hollow 5.6 on quasi/fa 8.25? Have indy tits now which I love but ended up buying some v-hollow 5.6 just to test out and throw on a second setup. Currrently have a stack of quasi decks to get through. Wondering if anyone who has tried both has any preference and if so why.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 30, 2020, 02:00:04 PM
I ran 53.5 high Indy and 5.6 cast on an FA, they didn’t feel a ton different other than the turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 30, 2020, 06:14:17 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on December 30, 2020, 09:25:55 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on December 30, 2020, 03:15:40 AM
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Quote from: BMCsteve on December 29, 2020, 05:56:08 AM
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The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 

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Sure does!

If I wasn't so happily setup with a dozen sets of regular Stage 11 149s on my boards, I would be so keen to buy / try a set of mids after watching this.

It would be interesting to see some and feel how they skate anyway, but I am more than happy with what I already have.

This definitely puts them in a better light than just the specs or the Ben DG video, but Ron is NHS to the core, so is also a good salesman for his own in house brands.
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I skimmed through it but I don't think he mentions the hanger and that its beefier....there's some weight there for sure....BD I think mentions this. 

I'll consider titaniums....

Yes a few things left out and a few other things emphasised, but with options like inverted kingpin baseplate sets, Reynolds hollow pro, then hollow and titanium versions later, they have almost all options covered it would seem.

I have used an angle grinder on a set of standard kingpin baseplates to take it down lower once everything is set up, which would work fine for the clearance needed specifically for the mid hanger too, but I wonder how many people would end up with the kingpin grinded down or blow out the inverted head.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 30, 2020, 08:18:39 PM
Id prolly just kick down and get a krux....never thought I'd say I like the look of it but compared to the Indy one.....I suspect thunders will be similar which will lead to minimal difference....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ok boomer on December 31, 2020, 08:18:12 AM
If one had to compare Theeve to the big 3, what would they be similar to? Just thought of theeve for some reason but know 0 about them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on December 31, 2020, 08:32:56 AM
Theeve are like an Indy/Ace hybrid. More stable and turny than Indy but not quite as nuts of a turn as Ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on December 31, 2020, 09:09:39 AM
I’ve decided to just stick to Indy Forged Hollows unless the upcoming lighter mids end up being much different. After trying the big 3 and Ace, they’re the best overall compromise. Venture second, but my bad luck with their bushings and quick wear makes that a distant second. Even with Indy the aftermarket orange bushings aren’t that much different, but they last super long.

Best of luck gents.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 256 Ply on December 31, 2020, 11:53:24 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on December 29, 2020, 05:56:08 AM
The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 

https://youtu.be/Gfk_W3W-xY0

Nice video, thanks.
One thing Whaley gets wrong at the 8:00 mark is that no one had the shaft nut before the Indy Mid.

G&S had a threaded baseplate for a bit on their steel trucks, and Grind King called it the sleeve nut. They came stock in the Grind King AXL, but you also got a set if you bought the kingpins separately, so you could drill out your existing baseplate and tap them in other brands of trucks too.
(https://i.imgur.com/xOw6E8Jl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/80ahOfL.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 31, 2020, 08:14:40 PM
Quote from: ok boomer on December 31, 2020, 08:18:12 AM
If one had to compare Theeve to the big 3, what would they be similar to? Just thought of theeve for some reason but know 0 about them

Trev Ward (older Aussie vert guy, not US street guy) who created them said they were a combination of Indy and Thunder more than anything else, if you really want to compare them to the big brands.  The baseplate holes are about half way between those two and the turn is about the same half way between them, so yes they still turn and grind more like Indy, but not quite to that degree.  That is the normal CSX ones though, not counting the Ti version or any of the other mixes.  I had a set on a board that had been skated to death and down to the axle, but still worked and were good to ride.

A lot of people didn't want anything to do with them, myself included back when I was offered a set a number of years ago, but when they were on boards I built and skated at the indoor park owned by Trev Ward, I found them to be quite a decent truck.  There were issues with quality in the first production lot way back when but sorted now, similar to Ace I believe, but although that is in the past, people still remember it and don't want them.

As much as I prefer Indy, I will be open to try product from any brands, as long as I don't have to buy it myself, so in this way, it was an interesting introduction to the brand.  The other interesting thing is during lockdown when ALL the main brands were sold out in lots of shops, Theeve was the only brand still in stock (and still didn't sell) so make of that what you will.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nicki on January 01, 2021, 10:40:04 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on December 30, 2020, 06:14:17 PM
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The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 

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Sure does!

If I wasn't so happily setup with a dozen sets of regular Stage 11 149s on my boards, I would be so keen to buy / try a set of mids after watching this.

It would be interesting to see some and feel how they skate anyway, but I am more than happy with what I already have.

This definitely puts them in a better light than just the specs or the Ben DG video, but Ron is NHS to the core, so is also a good salesman for his own in house brands.
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I skimmed through it but I don't think he mentions the hanger and that its beefier....there's some weight there for sure....BD I think mentions this.

I'll consider titaniums....
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Yes a few things left out and a few other things emphasised, but with options like inverted kingpin baseplate sets, Reynolds hollow pro, then hollow and titanium versions later, they have almost all options covered it would seem.

I have used an angle grinder on a set of standard kingpin baseplates to take it down lower once everything is set up, which would work fine for the clearance needed specifically for the mid hanger too, but I wonder how many people would end up with the kingpin grinded down or blow out the inverted head.

True, and I love Ron (“how long have you been doing standup? All my life - it’s all comedy to me” ;D) but not to mentioning the beefy hanger seems like a big omission. You can see the side by side @4:44 with standards and there’s a dramatic  difference in hanger size/weight. It might even be a preference for some, but to say all the extra weight is in the baseplate nut is just not true. The lower truck will make the board flip quicker so that makes sense with Ron’s washing machine explanation. Anyway, it’s great that there are new and different options for Indy fans, soon there’ll be 4 different heights to choose from 55, 53.5, 52, and 50.5 - and all the variations with those!! Good stuff!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 01, 2021, 11:41:16 AM
Mid forged Ti - I'll be back.

Lot of justification going on in that vid...and damn, he makes an 8.3 look like an 8 :P

Thunder and ACE make wide low[er] trucks...for that 159 range
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 01, 2021, 12:01:13 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on December 31, 2020, 08:32:56 AM
Theeve are like an Indy/Ace hybrid. More stable and turny than Indy but not quite as nuts of a turn as Ace.

Agreed!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nicki on January 01, 2021, 01:27:51 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 01, 2021, 11:41:16 AM
Mid forged Ti - I'll be back.

Lot of justification going on in that vid...and damn, he makes an 8.3 look like an 8 :P

Thunder and ACE make wide low[er] trucks...for that 159 range

Yeah, that was another porky.

“Other truck companies make trucks that wide, but they’re all standard height. In that way the 159 are special as they are a wider and lower”. ;)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kaydubbb on January 03, 2021, 12:51:04 AM
Has anyone tried the riptide pivot cups for Indy trucks? Wondering if they fit and perform well?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 03, 2021, 04:16:36 AM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on January 03, 2021, 12:51:04 AM
Has anyone tried the riptide pivot cups for Indy trucks? Wondering if they fit and perform well?

I had neither seen nor heard of them until here and still never seen them in person, but apparently many Slap pals swear by them.  They make them specifically for various trucks, but it seems the ones for all the normal skateboard trucks (not longboards or other weird variations) such as Ace, Indy, Thunder, Venture, etc are the same.

https://www.riptidesports.com/pages/info-charts-guides/pivot-cups-explained.html

https://www.riptidesports.com/pivot-cups/

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 03, 2021, 07:36:48 AM
I'm skating the Indy/Bennet ones in my thunders which I swore was a bad idea...wrong......they feel/work great. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on January 03, 2021, 10:39:43 AM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on January 03, 2021, 12:51:04 AM
Has anyone tried the riptide pivot cups for Indy trucks? Wondering if they fit and perform well?

I use the RipTide pivot cups for Indys in my 149’s.

They make a noticeable difference to me and I do recommend trying them.

To me they are a welcome improvement.

The stock pivot cups in my Indys were bad. Dried up and jagged.

The RipTides are real smooth and much much less noisy. I enjoy them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 03, 2021, 10:46:15 AM
Can anyone confirm if Indy Riptide cups work in Ace baseplates?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 03, 2021, 01:06:27 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 03, 2021, 10:46:15 AM
Can anyone confirm if Indy Riptide cups work in Ace baseplates?

They do. I've used the indy cups in Theeve/ACE/Thunder/Venture
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 03, 2021, 01:12:49 PM
The truck nerd in me thought there's no way the same pivot cup could work in all trucks but I think the quality of the urethane just softens the turn no matter what.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 03, 2021, 04:28:34 PM
All modern standard trucks fit the same as the pivot holes in baseplates are within very specific measurements, in the same way that kingpins, axle nuts, bearings sizes are all standard, so the width and depth of the pivot hole, and the size of the hanger "thumb" are pretty much universal.

That is to say all the trucks I have that I have measured including Indy, Ace, Thunder, Venture, Theeve, Destructo, Crail and some other cheaper trucks, just not Penny (which are smaller) or longboard style or other weird versions of non normal shaped trucks (which are larger or tube shaped).

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kaydubbb on January 03, 2021, 04:58:16 PM
Going to buy and try some of the pivot cups then. Need new bushings too, standard Indy bushings way too soft. I've been running deluxe supercush purple I think they are 97a and they are little too hard. What Indy bushings would you recommend for my 99kg (218lb) ass? I'm thinking either the 96a yellow or 94a black.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 03, 2021, 05:10:50 PM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on January 03, 2021, 04:58:16 PM
Going to buy and try some of the pivot cups then. Need new bushings too, standard Indy bushings way too soft. I've been running deluxe supercush purple I think they are 97a and they are little too hard. What Indy bushings would you recommend for my 99kg (218lb) ass? I'm thinking either the 96a yellow or 94a black.

The yellow 96s feel harder than the purple 97s IMO. I fluctuate between 190 and 205 and the blue barrel 92s are amazing in every set of indys I've tried.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 03, 2021, 05:18:36 PM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on January 03, 2021, 04:58:16 PM
Going to buy and try some of the pivot cups then. Need new bushings too, standard Indy bushings way too soft. I've been running deluxe supercush purple I think they are 97a and they are little too hard. What Indy bushings would you recommend for my 99kg (218lb) ass? I'm thinking either the 96a yellow or 94a black.

You could also mix and match with what you currently have, just to feel them out, eg use the harder supercush 97a bottoms and the softer Indy stock 90a tops, then try the reverse of that and see how much it changes things.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on January 03, 2021, 05:23:00 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on January 03, 2021, 05:10:50 PM
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Going to buy and try some of the pivot cups then. Need new bushings too, standard Indy bushings way too soft. I've been running deluxe supercush purple I think they are 97a and they are little too hard. What Indy bushings would you recommend for my 99kg (218lb) ass? I'm thinking either the 96a yellow or 94a black.
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The yellow 96s feel harder than the purple 97s IMO. I fluctuate between 190 and 205 and the blue barrel 92s are amazing in every set of indys I've tried.
good to know, thanks. Have the purple 97a but 92 sound like a perfect middle ground. Want to try those if I set up a pair of indy’s again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kaydubbb on January 03, 2021, 11:50:25 PM
Bought some of the riptide pivot cups and some black Indy 94a bushings. Will report back!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 04, 2021, 09:52:39 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on January 03, 2021, 04:28:34 PM
All modern standard trucks fit the same as the pivot holes in baseplates are within very specific measurements, in the same way that kingpins, axle nuts, bearings sizes are all standard, so the width and depth of the pivot hole, and the size of the hanger "thumb" are pretty much universal.

That is to say all the trucks I have that I have measured including Indy, Ace, Thunder, Venture, Theeve, Destructo, Crail and some other cheaper trucks, just not Penny (which are smaller) or longboard style or other weird versions of non normal shaped trucks (which are larger or tube shaped).

This is interesting. I would think the pivot cavity and the pivot "nub" on the hanger would all vary enough to where Riptide would indeed need to make custom molds but perhaps they aren't telling the whole truth in terms of a lot of truck pivots don't even need to be custom molds?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 04, 2021, 11:05:30 PM
I'm pretty sure at some point riptide made a thunder specific cup....that said, Ben D made a vid and told me that the Indy/Bennet ones worked fine and I believe riptide recommends the same....I tried it...seems good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 05, 2021, 06:47:05 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on January 04, 2021, 11:05:30 PM
I'm pretty sure at some point riptide made a thunder specific cup....that said, Ben D made a vid and told me that the Indy/Bennet ones worked fine and I believe riptide recommends the same....I tried it...seems good.

They actually have them listed and sell them as specific brand pivot cups on their site, but it would seem that they are all the same pivot cups as well, just the two different options though - green and blue.

I have never seen Riptide pivot cups in person, but the Indy specific branded pivot cups are the same as the Thunder specific branded pivot cups that I have here and both fit in any trucks I have put them in.  The only difference seems to be the generic Indy / Thunder pivot cups are not as good quality as Riptides, so I guess that is a plus for getting Riptides.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on January 05, 2021, 08:15:43 AM
anyone know why some Lizzies have the baseplate crest and some don't?

(https://res.cloudinary.com/dm1ikhi6x/image/upload/ar_1,c_crop/w_788,c_limit/q_auto,f_auto/products/zp71hngeuqcywa1yopdn)
(https://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server5800/c708inhv/products/12512/images/55462/P0__07440.1606238392.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 05, 2021, 10:47:57 AM
There's a thread on it. The cross got cancelled.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 05, 2021, 10:51:32 AM
Womyn's right to choose.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on January 05, 2021, 11:01:24 AM
8.25 trucks on an 8.5 board.

Thoughts?

Curious about stability. Currently paired with spitfire classics.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on January 05, 2021, 11:09:49 AM
Quote from: Fat Tire on January 05, 2021, 11:01:24 AM
8.25 trucks on an 8.5 board.

Thoughts?

Curious about stability. Currently paired with spitfire classics.

Perfectly fine IMO, I've done it many times no stability issues, maybe throw an extra speed ring on the inside
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 05, 2021, 11:50:36 AM
I got some 215s for a Heroin Mutant setup.  Placed on an 8.5 w/ 149s for scale  :D

I was going to put the indy aftermarket bushings in but the stock top bushing is way taller.  I'll probably swap the baseplates to the reverse kingpins when they are released

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50804527931_61c4f3769f_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 05, 2021, 01:19:00 PM
That's a tight wheelbase....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 05, 2021, 03:21:30 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on January 05, 2021, 11:50:36 AM
I got some 215s for a Heroin Mutant setup.  Placed on an 8.5 w/ 149s for scale  :D

I was going to put the indy aftermarket bushings in but the stock top bushing is way taller.  I'll probably swap the baseplates to the reverse kingpins when they are released


I like the lower tops (and it will not affect the skate at all) but you can have the nut down lower for less drag or if you like them loose, you will get the nut on cleanly without having to stop to tighten it every second run the way some people used to when the bushings were too hard.

Stock definitely work if you like the 90 duro feel.  What duro did you get in the aftermarkets?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on January 05, 2021, 04:35:13 PM
So I just set up my first set of Thunders (standard 149s) on my 8.5 Anti hero and I don’t think I’ll be going back to Indys . This shit fucking rocks. Better turn, better pop, and frontside slappies just click now.

Now my truck madness is creeping in and I’m starting to wonder what my options are as far as bushings go. I ride loose but not wobbly loose, is it worth replacing the stock bushings with something else? The stocks feel good to me as is but do they harden over time? How are the deluxe super cush?  I don’t like bones bushings at all so that’s a no.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Slayer666 on January 05, 2021, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: Mesteezo on January 05, 2021, 04:35:13 PM
So I just set up my first set of Thunders (standard 149s) on my 8.5 Anti hero and I don’t think I’ll be going back to Indys . This shit fucking rocks. Better turn, better pop, and frontside slappies just click now.

Now my truck madness is creeping in and I’m starting to wonder what my options are as far as bushings go. I ride loose but not wobbly loose, is it worth replacing the stock bushings with something else? The stocks feel good to me as is but do they harden over time? How are the deluxe super cush?  I don’t like bones bushings at all so that’s a no.
yea just break them in they turn the best with the stock bushings I’ve tested others not sure about supercush
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: front_crooks on January 05, 2021, 05:22:18 PM
8.18 board
Thunder 148 hollows (stock, no washers removed or replacement bushings)
52mm Spitfire Formula 4 classics or tablets

Thinking about trying Ventures.  Rode only Ventures from 1997 to 2005, got back into skating years ago (off and on) and I guess I figured I'd try Thunders or Indy's like everybody else did apparently.  Went to the park years ago and saw that I was the only one on skinny venture lows and a 7.75.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on January 05, 2021, 05:27:49 PM
Quote from: Mesteezo on January 05, 2021, 04:35:13 PM
So I just set up my first set of Thunders (standard 149s) on my 8.5 Anti hero and I don’t think I’ll be going back to Indys . This shit fucking rocks. Better turn, better pop, and frontside slappies just click now.

Now my truck madness is creeping in and I’m starting to wonder what my options are as far as bushings go. I ride loose but not wobbly loose, is it worth replacing the stock bushings with something else? The stocks feel good to me as is but do they harden over time? How are the deluxe super cush?  I don’t like bones bushings at all so that’s a no.

imho stock are a fine choice in thunders the main issue is that they tend to crumble after a while, but you can also skate them crumbled for a pretty damn long time sometimes. I can't remember what they do while breaking in, if you want looser or harder just try the next duro over. Ace classic bottom/stock top is also fairly popular for good reason (my personal favorite), you can get pretty loose and turny but add a little stability/less wheelbite, it takes a while to break in though and can be pretty rough at first.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on January 05, 2021, 05:36:17 PM
Quote from: Beeker on January 05, 2021, 05:27:49 PM

imho stock are a fine choice in thunders the main issue is that they tend to crumble after a while, but you can also skate them crumbled for a pretty damn long time sometimes. I can't remember what they do while breaking in, if you want looser or harder just try the next duro over. Ace classic bottom/stock top is also fairly popular for good reason (my personal favorite), you can get pretty loose and turny but add a little stability/less wheelbite, it takes a while to break in though and can be pretty rough at first.
Quote from: Slayer666 on January 05, 2021, 05:20:37 PM
yea just break them in they turn the best with the stock bushings I’ve tested others not sure about supercush

Sick, good to know. Stock it is!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on January 05, 2021, 06:05:35 PM
Best stock bushings I've used, literally never adjusted a Thunder kingpin nut.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 06, 2021, 01:02:42 AM
Quote from: Beeker on January 05, 2021, 05:27:49 PM
Quote from: Mesteezo on January 05, 2021, 04:35:13 PM
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So I just set up my first set of Thunders (standard 149s) on my 8.5 Anti hero and I don’t think I’ll be going back to Indys . This shit fucking rocks. Better turn, better pop, and frontside slappies just click now.

Now my truck madness is creeping in and I’m starting to wonder what my options are as far as bushings go. I ride loose but not wobbly loose, is it worth replacing the stock bushings with something else? The stocks feel good to me as is but do they harden over time? How are the deluxe super cush?  I don’t like bones bushings at all so that’s a no.
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imho stock are a fine choice in thunders the main issue is that they tend to crumble after a while, but you can also skate them crumbled for a pretty damn long time sometimes. I can't remember what they do while breaking in, if you want looser or harder just try the next duro over. Ace classic bottom/stock top is also fairly popular for good reason (my personal favorite), you can get pretty loose and turny but add a little stability/less wheelbite, it takes a while to break in though and can be pretty rough at first.

Re Thunder bushings - yes stock bushings are good, even if they start to come away a little in one area on the bottom bushing (usually heavy heel landings) they can be turned around and still skated fine for a long time as I have pointed out to lots of people who were asking about buying new bushings.


I have tried the Thunder "bushing rebuild kits", the red 90, the blue 95 and the black 100 all skate fine but take a bit to get nice and worn in.  I am not a fan of the metallic coloured nuts and washers, but they do come with pivot cups as well, so for the price, they are also pretty good.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JugeL on January 06, 2021, 05:58:33 AM
I was a Thunder guy for 10 years. Lately been on other trucks to kind of test the field but other reason was that got annoyed because those stock bushings would get destroyed so fast. I ride my trucks stock loose and still those bushings would just explode.

Last set i rode, i changed Indy conical bushings which are same height but little wider and didn't have any problems with them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on January 06, 2021, 07:56:11 AM
Quote from: Paperclip20 on January 05, 2021, 11:09:49 AM
Quote from: Fat Tire on January 05, 2021, 11:01:24 AM
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8.25 trucks on an 8.5 board.

Thoughts?

Curious about stability. Currently paired with spitfire classics.
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Perfectly fine IMO, I've done it many times no stability issues, maybe throw an extra speed ring on the inside

Set it up yesterday and it works great thanks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: depresseddingo on January 07, 2021, 07:02:51 AM
ACE with 1$ inverted kingpin from German eBay.
Works just fine so far. I already had my top bushing cut half so I don't know how a stock one would fit.

(https://i.ibb.co/xhc29Pr/136370091-164314378381596-2583677649235293451-n-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xhc29Pr)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on January 07, 2021, 09:09:56 AM
Ended up with a pair of Indy 139 from a buddy that were pretty used but still had some life. While taking it apart I realized the threads on the axle nut had been stripped to the extent that the nut can't be remove. Turning it just caused the nut to spin on the axle with zero movement up the thread.

Anyone have any advice on how to remove a stuck axle nut? I don't have access to a workshop or heavy machine so cutting is not an option.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hiljentaa on January 07, 2021, 10:35:17 AM
Can you tighten it at all right now?

If so, I'd tighten it as much as possible to expose the threads, then just file at 45* the most gnarled bits.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stets on January 07, 2021, 10:48:15 AM
Quote from: depresseddingo on January 07, 2021, 07:02:51 AM
ACE with 1$ inverted kingpin from German eBay.
Works just fine so far. I already had my top bushing cut half so I don't know how a stock one would fit.

(https://i.ibb.co/xhc29Pr/136370091-164314378381596-2583677649235293451-n-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xhc29Pr)

Yooooo send that kingpin eBay link!!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mesteezo on January 07, 2021, 10:51:56 AM
I would try heating up the nut with a torch or a lighter to expand it, and then try taking a wrench to it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on January 07, 2021, 01:57:06 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on January 07, 2021, 09:09:56 AM
Ended up with a pair of Indy 139 from a buddy that were pretty used but still had some life. While taking it apart I realized the threads on the axle nut had been stripped to the extent that the nut can't be remove. Turning it just caused the nut to spin on the axle with zero movement up the thread.

Anyone have any advice on how to remove a stuck axle nut? I don't have access to a workshop or heavy machine so cutting is not an option.


a Dremel with a cut off wheel will bust a nut.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on January 07, 2021, 03:29:40 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/oQr1RBzl.jpg)
No cross in Ti149, interesting. Kinda miss it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 07, 2021, 03:49:48 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on January 07, 2021, 09:09:56 AM
Ended up with a pair of Indy 139 from a buddy that were pretty used but still had some life. While taking it apart I realized the threads on the axle nut had been stripped to the extent that the nut can't be remove. Turning it just caused the nut to spin on the axle with zero movement up the thread.

Anyone have any advice on how to remove a stuck axle nut? I don't have access to a workshop or heavy machine so cutting is not an option.

Had this happen occasionally.  A decent set of grips / pliers is the lightest way to deal with it, as in no machining or cutting the nut off, just get the grips and pull as you turn, which will make the nut bite into the axle thread and come undone.

Most likely the axle of the truck should be fine, just the nut itself is stripped out, but I have seen truck axle threads messed up too.

Let me know if you need a bit more info / help with it and I will send you some info.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 07, 2021, 03:51:20 PM
Quote from: moonordie on January 07, 2021, 03:29:40 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/oQr1RBzl.jpg)
No cross in Ti149, interesting. Kinda miss it.

They do look a little plain without it don't they. 

At least they are silver and they still do everything an Indy truck should do.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stets on January 07, 2021, 03:57:39 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on January 07, 2021, 03:51:20 PM
Quote from: moonordie on January 07, 2021, 03:29:40 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/oQr1RBzl.jpg)
No cross in Ti149, interesting. Kinda miss it.
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They do look a little plain without it don't they. 

At least they are silver and they still do everything an Indy truck should do.

Looks like the stage 7 Indy's I got off a craigslist board a year or so ago. Blank was the norm from the late 70's till the late 90's. Throwback vibes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on January 07, 2021, 04:35:04 PM
Speaking of the tindys, are they worth it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on January 07, 2021, 04:44:09 PM
Quote from: moonordie on January 07, 2021, 03:29:40 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/oQr1RBzl.jpg)
No cross in Ti149, interesting. Kinda miss it.


Those look way sicker without the cross imo. Indys have such a great looking hanger. I can feel the lust  coming on for some cross-less 144 mids. Must resist.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on January 07, 2021, 06:20:26 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on January 07, 2021, 03:49:48 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on January 07, 2021, 09:09:56 AM
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Ended up with a pair of Indy 139 from a buddy that were pretty used but still had some life. While taking it apart I realized the threads on the axle nut had been stripped to the extent that the nut can't be remove. Turning it just caused the nut to spin on the axle with zero movement up the thread.

Anyone have any advice on how to remove a stuck axle nut? I don't have access to a workshop or heavy machine so cutting is not an option.
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Had this happen occasionally.  A decent set of grips / pliers is the lightest way to deal with it, as in no machining or cutting the nut off, just get the grips and pull as you turn, which will make the nut bite into the axle thread and come undone.

Most likely the axle of the truck should be fine, just the nut itself is stripped out, but I have seen truck axle threads messed up too.

Let me know if you need a bit more info / help with it and I will send you some info.

Thanks, I'll give this a go later today when I setup a board for later. The kingpin was cranked down so hard they popped out of the washer, so I'll need to revive them with some new ones, rethread the axles, swap out the pivot cups and change out nuts.

Edit: thread of the nut seems completely stripped, using pliers in either direction just causes rotation with zero tightening or loosening. On the other end I have a nut that is completely rounded over on all 8 sides, spanner, skate tool and pliers can't get a good grip to unscrew the nut off the axle. Help.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 07, 2021, 11:27:07 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on January 07, 2021, 06:20:26 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on January 07, 2021, 03:49:48 PM
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Quote from: rocklobster on January 07, 2021, 09:09:56 AM
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Ended up with a pair of Indy 139 from a buddy that were pretty used but still had some life. While taking it apart I realized the threads on the axle nut had been stripped to the extent that the nut can't be remove. Turning it just caused the nut to spin on the axle with zero movement up the thread.

Anyone have any advice on how to remove a stuck axle nut? I don't have access to a workshop or heavy machine so cutting is not an option.
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Had this happen occasionally.  A decent set of grips / pliers is the lightest way to deal with it, as in no machining or cutting the nut off, just get the grips and pull as you turn, which will make the nut bite into the axle thread and come undone.

Most likely the axle of the truck should be fine, just the nut itself is stripped out, but I have seen truck axle threads messed up too.

Let me know if you need a bit more info / help with it and I will send you some info.
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Thanks, I'll give this a go later today when I setup a board for later. The kingpin was cranked down so hard they popped out of the washer, so I'll need to revive them with some new ones, rethread the axles, swap out the pivot cups and change out nuts.

Edit: thread of the nut seems completely stripped, using pliers in either direction just causes rotation with zero tightening or loosening. On the other end I have a nut that is completely rounded over on all 8 sides, spanner, skate tool and pliers can't get a good grip to unscrew the nut off the axle. Help.

Ok then round two with no power tools would be put a flat head screwdriver into the gap if any between bearing and nut and hammer that thing in a bit, so it is jammed in.  See if you can lever it up at all, cause even just a touch will then get some more leverage, try it in the other side and repeat, then try it wedged in there with the grips on it to try to pull it off, turn with the thread as needed.  I have had to break apart a bearing, to get the wheel over the rusted on nut before and then it makes it a lot easier to get at it.

If a nut has completely rounded off, something to cut into it and make either a groove, or two flat parts which will then make it easier to get grips on to it and be able to turn it.  Angle grinders are great for getting the nut cut up or cutting it right off, so that would be a last resort, if anyone has one, even a small portable one as I have, which are awesome.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: depresseddingo on January 08, 2021, 12:29:40 AM
Quote from: stets on January 07, 2021, 10:48:15 AM
Quote from: depresseddingo on January 07, 2021, 07:02:51 AM
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ACE with 1$ inverted kingpin from German eBay.
Works just fine so far. I already had my top bushing cut half so I don't know how a stock one would fit.

(https://i.ibb.co/xhc29Pr/136370091-164314378381596-2583677649235293451-n-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xhc29Pr)
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Yooooo send that kingpin eBay link!!

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Justice-Kingpin-Set-rund-silber-Skateboard-Stuff/252659062460?hash=item3ad3a756bc:g:e0gAAOSwy2NfPPE9

You even get some axle nuts for free.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on January 09, 2021, 06:41:12 PM
Was skating today and tightened my Indy's 1/2 turn- I never adjust them after putting the aftermarket yellow bushings in. I liked it and felt my pop was better, but rolling around was weird. Almost like the rebound was too hard if that makes sense, not much lean in the top and when I did lean there was more force the opposite direction. Is this something different bushings could solve: having that bit of wiggle in the top? Or is this what Ventures are for?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on January 09, 2021, 10:41:58 PM
i just noticed my indy forged hollows are a hair shorter than aces even though they're supposed to be 1.5mm taller
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 10, 2021, 12:02:19 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on January 09, 2021, 06:41:12 PM
Was skating today and tightened my Indy's 1/2 turn- I never adjust them after putting the aftermarket yellow bushings in. I liked it and felt my pop was better, but rolling around was weird. Almost like the rebound was too hard if that makes sense, not much lean in the top and when I did lean there was more force the opposite direction. Is this something different bushings could solve: having that bit of wiggle in the top? Or is this what Ventures are for?

Although I have much the same on each setup, some are tighter than others in the truck department, especially if I haven't used a board in a while or it is a cold day, so I could liken what you are experiencing to one of my rarely used boards on a cold day - sure they turn but I feel like I am almost falling off the board expecting it to turn more than it actually does.

If you skate it as is for a while, you will be more used to it, I would think.  Likewise if you jumped on someone else's board with looser trucks, you would be all over the place and things just wouldn't work either.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MxsDx on January 11, 2021, 06:08:49 PM
With all the hollow axles and titanium trucks, I am curious to know if any of you prefer heavier standard (solid axle/kingpin) trucks, and if so, why? It seems like a number of pros ride standard trucks. Do you think there is a reason for this, or is it simply a matter of riding whatever is in the box?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on January 11, 2021, 06:17:17 PM
I like standard trucks, to me the grind feels better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on January 11, 2021, 06:23:22 PM
Quote from: MxsDx on January 11, 2021, 06:08:49 PM
With all the hollow axles and titanium trucks, I am curious to know if any of you prefer heavier standard (solid axle/kingpin) trucks, and if so, why? It seems like a number of pros ride standard trucks. Do you think there is a reason for this, or is it simply a matter of riding whatever is in the box?

Got to find the truck weight that works for you, lighter doesn't alway equate to better. Below a certain weight you reach to point of diminishing returns and the board feels too floppy and uncontrollable (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i2VHEo6mVs). Lighter trucks may also favour newer skaters who lack the calf muscles to control a heavier board.

https://www.skateboardershq.com/what-are-the-lightest-skateboard-trucks/
320-340g on a 147/139 is my sweet spot, anything less than 300 and the board flips very erratically.

A lot of this comes down to personal preference, bro science tells me that bigger, taller pros prefer beefier trucks (Standard), then you factor in truck height, wheelbase adjustment, forged and cast; in short, don't go down this rabbit hole.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MxsDx on January 11, 2021, 06:51:43 PM


A lot of this comes down to personal preference, bro science tells me that bigger, taller pros prefer beefier trucks (Standard), then you factor in truck height, wheelbase adjustment, forged and cast; in short, don't go down this rabbit hole.
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Thanks for the response. I’m ashamed to say I’ve already dropped down the rabbit hole and skated several variations of thunder, Indy and venture. Still trying to narrow in on my gold standard. I am aware that no magic combo will unlock skating and make me suck any less, but it can be fun shuffling around gear.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on January 11, 2021, 08:07:07 PM
After doing a bunch of research on here (and the Ace thread) while my ankle was jacked up, I threw some old venture top bushings into my 44s and wow they feel so much better. The stock washer on my 44s messed up my stock bushings (I think) so while they were very stable and carvy, they lacked a lot of responsiveness. Now they feel like a loose set of thunders but oddly still very stable. Went out to push around and hit some curbs today and it felt great. No wheelbite or anything.

Anyone else have good results doing something like this? I’ve seen people claim bones or Krux top bushings feel good as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 11, 2021, 09:26:44 PM
Quote from: FatGuy92 on January 11, 2021, 08:07:07 PM
Anyone else have good results doing something like this?


Ace stock bushings are 85 duro, if I recall correctly.

Most other brands are more like 90+ in the stock bushing department, so it stands to reason that the Venture bushings will feel more firm than the stock Ace bushings, but it is definitely fun to experiment and see what works and what feels better for your own setup.

I put some white stock Indy bushings in a set of Ace trucks I have and the funny thing is the guys who ride Ace trucks (but not loosey goosey) thought they felt better than their Ace trucks.  It is all down to opinion as to how you like your trucks, especially in the degree of movement relating to bushings.

The slightly harder bushings not done up as much often work out better than the softer ones that are over tightened too.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DarkPools on January 12, 2021, 01:56:02 AM
Quote from: MxsDx on January 11, 2021, 06:51:43 PM


A lot of this comes down to personal preference, bro science tells me that bigger, taller pros prefer beefier trucks (Standard), then you factor in truck height, wheelbase adjustment, forged and cast; in short, don't go down this rabbit hole.

Thanks for the response. I’m ashamed to say I’ve already dropped down the rabbit hole and skated several variations of thunder, Indy and venture. Still trying to narrow in on my gold standard. I am aware that no magic combo will unlock skating and make me suck any less, but it can be fun shuffling around gear.
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Ha, we have all bit a madness bug somewhere in skating!
I agree! It's absolutely fun to shuffle gear and actually understand why a Thunder does what it does, as well as a Venture, and so on.

I used to love running Indy standards when I was a lil younger. The heft in a fairly heavy truck is nice when you put the effort in: grind, a carve, or stability when bombing a hill, etc. I can't skate light trucks since they are so floaty and hard to get precise with. My goldilocks usually is Indy standard hangar and hollow forged kingpin/baseplate OR Indy hollow hangar with standard kingpin/baseplate. I get a mix of a heavy truck but not too heavy so I can skate longer on my sessions. I enjoyed forged hollow in the past but I was running 55m wheels so I was getting wheel bite way too often. 53.5m vs 55m height between forged hollow and standard.

Do you have an idea of what you might prefer? Lighter truck? Heavier truck? More heft? More precision? Faster flips? Slower flips? Tech skating? Rails? Better grind? Faster grind? Some combination of any of these?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 12, 2021, 05:32:03 AM
did the trial and error method of finding my zone in truck weight. took a lot of going back and forth to find out what works, so ill do my best to make this short.


too hot
- thunder 149 hollow (327g)
- venture 5.6 hollow (329g)
- thunder 151 hollow (331g)
- venture 5.2 lo hollow (335g)
- thunder 151 lights (348g)

too cold
- indy stg.11 144 raw (394g)
- ace 55 (409g)

just right
- indy stg.11 149 hollow forged (360g)
- thunder 151 raw (366g)
- venture 5.6 raw (370g)


6'5" for starters, all legs. simply put the raw indys and aces were way too heavy for my legs to manipulate consistently. hollow/light variants are nice at first but the counterbalance is sorely missed. trucks in the 360-370g range have produced my best skating regardless of the brand, so thats where im forcing myself to stay.

even these venture 6.1 @383g are just a tad heavier than what im used to but at least it confirmed my comfortable weight limit. setting them up with a forged plate this week so they will be around 360g and closing that book.

at this point a piece of me dies each time i unscrew my hardware
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on January 12, 2021, 09:15:16 AM
Quote from: MxsDx on January 11, 2021, 06:08:49 PM
With all the hollow axles and titanium trucks, I am curious to know if any of you prefer heavier standard (solid axle/kingpin) trucks, and if so, why? It seems like a number of pros ride standard trucks. Do you think there is a reason for this, or is it simply a matter of riding whatever is in the box?

well truck companies love to make you think their premium priced stuff is "better", in reality while the materials/production might cost more, it's just personal preference.

i wouldn't be surprised if most pros just skated a lot rather than tripping off gear, especially as a youth, so by the time they are really skilled they might just be used to the full weight trucks.

i fooled around with every version of indys, they all have their benefits and drawbacks. standards roll and grind smooth, maybe easier to hold in a manual. the hollow/titanium variants pop and flip easier, and i found noseslides easier cause that 90 degree turn happened quickly.

i would say the lighter versions are more compelling if you are running bigger wheels or a bigger setup in general. but it all comes down to what works under your feet and what you like to do.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 12, 2021, 11:44:32 AM
Quote from: sketchyrider on January 12, 2021, 09:15:16 AM
Quote from: MxsDx on January 11, 2021, 06:08:49 PM
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With all the hollow axles and titanium trucks, I am curious to know if any of you prefer heavier standard (solid axle/kingpin) trucks, and if so, why? It seems like a number of pros ride standard trucks. Do you think there is a reason for this, or is it simply a matter of riding whatever is in the box?
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well truck companies love to make you think their premium priced stuff is "better", in reality while the materials/production might cost more, it's just personal preference.

i wouldn't be surprised if most pros just skated a lot rather than tripping off gear, especially as a youth, so by the time they are really skilled they might just be used to the full weight trucks.

i fooled around with every version of indys, they all have their benefits and drawbacks. standards roll and grind smooth, maybe easier to hold in a manual. the hollow/titanium variants pop and flip easier, and i found noseslides easier cause that 90 degree turn happened quickly.

i would say the lighter versions are more compelling if you are running bigger wheels or a bigger setup in general. but it all comes down to what works under your feet and what you like to do.

Most Pros skate what's in the monthly box (or trade/sell it for what they really want) which is why so many people ride Standards.

Nothing beats the feeling of grinding crust/pool coping with a solid/standard truck it's just raw AF....but not so much with forged plates and hollow axles.

Thunder 148s Team Hollows are the perfect weight IMO, they just feel good (having to skate forged hollows right now as there were no team plates in sight!)

I've never had any issues with how the board feel based on hollow/solid kingpins, except for weight; it's never changed how the grind feels
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on January 12, 2021, 12:01:55 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 12, 2021, 11:44:32 AM
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With all the hollow axles and titanium trucks, I am curious to know if any of you prefer heavier standard (solid axle/kingpin) trucks, and if so, why? It seems like a number of pros ride standard trucks. Do you think there is a reason for this, or is it simply a matter of riding whatever is in the box?
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well truck companies love to make you think their premium priced stuff is "better", in reality while the materials/production might cost more, it's just personal preference.

i wouldn't be surprised if most pros just skated a lot rather than tripping off gear, especially as a youth, so by the time they are really skilled they might just be used to the full weight trucks.

i fooled around with every version of indys, they all have their benefits and drawbacks. standards roll and grind smooth, maybe easier to hold in a manual. the hollow/titanium variants pop and flip easier, and i found noseslides easier cause that 90 degree turn happened quickly.

i would say the lighter versions are more compelling if you are running bigger wheels or a bigger setup in general. but it all comes down to what works under your feet and what you like to do.
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Most Pros skate what's in the monthly box (or trade/sell it for what they really want) which is why so many people ride Standards.

Nothing beats the feeling of grinding crust/pool coping with a solid/standard truck it's just raw AF....but not so much with forged plates and hollow axles.

Thunder 148s Team Hollows are the perfect weight IMO, they just feel good (having to skate forged hollows right now as there were no team plates in sight!)

I've never had any issues with how the board feel based on hollow/solid kingpins, except for weight; it's never changed how the grind feels

I just switched from Tensor atg mags, to standard thunders for no reason other than I just wanted to ride thunders and there were no hollows or titaniums available anywhere. I gotta say, while I do notice the weight but it's not killing me. Imo the board flips better cause I know I'm trying slighty harder
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 12, 2021, 01:47:44 PM
Yeah team hollows are perfect because they are a bit taller and still quite light......just a run of the mill thunder though just seems so much more nimble than an Indy raw....like a 144 is a beastly truck. The mids are just prolly even worse.....
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Post by: JimGeko on January 12, 2021, 01:55:22 PM
How would a stage x Indy 149 hanger feel on a venture v light baseplate. Has anyone ever committed such a crime?

Would this work at all?
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Post by: Xen on January 12, 2021, 08:15:32 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on January 12, 2021, 01:47:44 PM
Yeah team hollows are perfect because they are a bit taller and still quite light......just a run of the mill thunder though just seems so much more nimble than an Indy raw....like a 144 is a beastly truck. The mids are just prolly even worse.....

I won't touch an Indy unless it's TI for regular use (I've some Forged 159s on a pig but just due to height). The Mindys were a terrible disappointment, glad I was able to sell them off.
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Post by: Ok on January 12, 2021, 08:31:30 PM
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Yeah team hollows are perfect because they are a bit taller and still quite light......just a run of the mill thunder though just seems so much more nimble than an Indy raw....like a 144 is a beastly truck. The mids are just prolly even worse.....
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I won't touch an Indy unless it's TI for regular use (I've some Forged 159s on a pig but just due to height). The Mindys were a terrible disappointment, glad I was able to sell them off.

Too heavy? Initially when I moved from 7.6” trucks to 8” trucks, Indys worked for me the easiest. Now I’ve tried so many things I don’t know what’s what. I probably wasn’t going to get the mindys, but intrigued nonetheless
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MxsDx on January 12, 2021, 09:14:59 PM
Thank you all for your responses to my question about standard v. Lightweight trucks. I’ve geeked out on Indy hollow (145) and titanium’s (149) and venture hollow lights (5.6) and standards (5.8).  Currently I’m running thunder team hollows (149). I almost always skate 54mm wheels for what it’s worth. I’m going to try standard thunders. I’m thinking the pop and catch on a heavier truck might be better, but we will see.

Reading the list of gear I’ve burned through makes me somewhat uncomfortable. When I was a kid I would use whatever I could get my hands on and be happy with it until it was shot. How times have changed.

This board is an incredible source of info and the community is rad (unless you wade into the dark waters of the useless wooden toy banter topics). Thank you all for your input.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on January 13, 2021, 04:04:57 AM
@MxsDx you kinda had me reconsidering Indy ti versus standards yesterday, 169 though. Understand about the gear list you mention, I’m the same way. Really want to downsize after some experiments early this year then just get to riding.
Back on my first pair of Indy standards now completely stock while looking at other trucks with riptide pivot cups, swapped bushings, etc.

After watching that Indy mid video I’ve been thinking about wheel size matching up with truck height. (No risers)  Part of me wants thunder 161 with the 53mm height
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on January 13, 2021, 07:39:00 AM
ive been on a set of indy 149ti on reg. cast baseplates for a couple years or so and it's been a dream. every once in awhile i'll put the forged baseplates back on (some old stage 10.5 forged from a set of Koston hollows) and I instantly regret it every time.  the whole feel of the board changes and becomes 'dead' to me.  I also have a set of 159ti on cast baseplates, but once you get that big it the whole ti-lightness doesnt really matter anymore.

i have a set of 215s I may put on a Dane1 for a super-cruiser/curb-crusher, just debating what wheel size/shape to get on there.     
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chevy Beretta on January 13, 2021, 08:17:19 AM
Im trying to skate some thunders after riding ventures forever, but I can't pop. idk if its the lack of stability or what, but i'm struggling.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on January 14, 2021, 03:35:30 AM
Quote from: Chevy Beretta on January 13, 2021, 08:17:19 AM
Im trying to skate some thunders after riding ventures forever, but I can't pop. idk if its the lack of stability or what, but i'm struggling.
Press the tail to the ground then retract your leg instantly on impact allowing the board to spring off the ground.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kaydubbb on January 14, 2021, 04:09:08 AM
Does anyone know if the thunder bushings sold as a repair kit are the same quality as the aftermarket thunder bushings that are sold as just bushings?
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 14, 2021, 05:15:44 AM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on January 14, 2021, 04:09:08 AM
Does anyone know if the thunder bushings sold as a repair kit are the same quality as the aftermarket thunder bushings that are sold as just bushings?

They were / should be, but just check they are the right shape.

The small tube only has bushings, no washers or anything else, but come in a few more colours / options with duro - 90, 92, 94, 97, 100 and maybe others if I recall correctly but that was from a while ago now.

The rebuild kit has bushings, washers, axle and kingpin nuts and pivot cups, so if you can deal with crazy colours, they are usually worth the couple of extra dollars, but only in 90 red, 95 blue and 100 black.

Pics more for reference than anything else (easier to find # instagram links than post pics)


https://www.instagram.com/p/B1EmOY8FY9W/

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Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 14, 2021, 05:22:39 AM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on January 14, 2021, 04:09:08 AM
Does anyone know if the thunder bushings sold as a repair kit are the same quality as the aftermarket thunder bushings that are sold as just bushings?

Check all the pics from this one, even though you see bolts first, it has everything listed, as well as being a recent post too, so most likely in stock.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CFNPSHzF4tt/

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MxsDx on January 14, 2021, 09:34:51 AM
Continuing down the rabbit hole of light vs. "heavy" trucks I laced up standard thunder 149's last night.  I hope it is not confirmation bias, but they seemed to behave as I had hoped. The pop was good and the board definitely stuck to my feet more.  My catch on kickflips and heelflips was very nice (for my level of skill, at least). No issues with rocketing.  Again, maybe it is all in my head and I just caught a good session with fresh legs, but either way I'm going to stay on these for a bit.  That said, if anyone is interested in a mildly used set of 149 thunder titanium, let me know. I would be happy to offload them and clear inventory.  I'm thinking $25 including shipping to anywhere in continental US. Thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MxsDx on January 14, 2021, 03:36:18 PM
Quote from: MxsDx on January 14, 2021, 09:34:51 AM
Continuing down the rabbit hole of light vs. "heavy" trucks I laced up standard thunder 149's last night.  I hope it is not confirmation bias, but they seemed to behave as I had hoped. The pop was good and the board definitely stuck to my feet more.  My catch on kickflips and heelflips was very nice (for my level of skill, at least). No issues with rocketing.  Again, maybe it is all in my head and I just caught a good session with fresh legs, but either way I'm going to stay on these for a bit.  That said, if anyone is interested in a mildly used set of 149 thunder titanium, let me know. I would be happy to offload them and clear inventory.  I'm thinking $25 including shipping to anywhere in continental US. Thanks!

The 149 Titaniums are sold.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on January 15, 2021, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: MxsDx on January 14, 2021, 09:34:51 AM
Continuing down the rabbit hole of light vs. "heavy" trucks I laced up standard thunder 149's last night.  I hope it is not confirmation bias, but they seemed to behave as I had hoped. The pop was good and the board definitely stuck to my feet more.  My catch on kickflips and heelflips was very nice (for my level of skill, at least). No issues with rocketing.  Again, maybe it is all in my head and I just caught a good session with fresh legs, but either way I'm going to stay on these for a bit.

i've thought about goin down to standard 149's from 159 titaniums in case i have this same reaction, lol. long ago i had a pair of 149's i loved, wondering if its still there.
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Post by: munchbox on January 15, 2021, 02:02:43 PM
anyone know how many grams a downlow kingpin pin saves?
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Post by: Firebert on January 15, 2021, 02:03:45 PM
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anyone know how many grams a downlow kingpin pin saves?
About 7
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fooj on January 15, 2021, 04:16:19 PM
imo thunders with the cast baseplate is the perfect height with 54mm-51mm. No ghost pop and less wheel bite than with thunder forged.

Currently running:
Thunder team Raws
Bones mediums white
Normal bushing washers, top and bottom
All silver washers and nuts
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kaydubbb on January 15, 2021, 07:22:04 PM
Thanks for the help with bushings guys. I'm thinking of buying some thunder 161s. Anyone have any experience on them yet? I was using Indy 169 but just sold them. They felt way to squirrelly and unstable for me.
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on January 15, 2021, 07:51:46 PM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on January 15, 2021, 07:22:04 PM
Thanks for the help with bushings guys. I'm thinking of buying some thunder 161s. Anyone have any experience on them yet? I was using Indy 169 but just sold them. They felt way to squirrelly and unstable for me.

I use 161’s on some of my bigger set ups. Can be a little squirrely but not unstable, imo. I ride those somewhere between loose and medium. Feel lighter and less clunky than 169’s but lower. I use 1/4 risers to avoid wheelbite. Pop is nice and crisp (I know it sounds silly, I don’t know any other way to put it lol).

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Post by: jay_nev on January 17, 2021, 05:53:53 AM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on January 03, 2021, 11:50:25 PM
Bought some of the riptide pivot cups and some black Indy 94a bushings. Will report back!
how were they? Did you put the 94a in 169ti? Stock bushings too soft for me too
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on January 17, 2021, 07:07:10 AM
Had a decent session on 147 hollows. Anyone have a deck pairing they like?
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Post by: Daniel on January 17, 2021, 07:30:49 AM
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Had a decent session on 147 hollows. Anyone have a deck pairing they like?

Forged plates/cast on a medium kick shorter WB deck works well for me...
The theories 8 inch 14.125wb deck works best imo.
*warning tho, theories decks are flat as fuck but decent kicks..
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Post by: Ok on January 17, 2021, 07:59:09 AM
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Forged plates/cast on a medium kick shorter WB deck works well for me...
The theories 8 inch 14.125wb deck works best imo.
*warning tho, theories decks are flat as fuck but decent kicks..

Thanks!
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Post by: rocklobster on January 17, 2021, 09:13:36 AM
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Forged plates/cast on a medium kick shorter WB deck works well for me...
The theories 8 inch 14.125wb deck works best imo.
*warning tho, theories decks are flat as fuck but decent kicks..

I'd pair Thunder forged with any deck with steep kicks to lower the pop. Ventures used to be my go to but the forged baseplate extends too far out.
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Post by: Ok on January 17, 2021, 09:33:30 AM
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Forged plates/cast on a medium kick shorter WB deck works well for me...
The theories 8 inch 14.125wb deck works best imo.
*warning tho, theories decks are flat as fuck but decent kicks..
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I'd pair Thunder forged with any deck with steep kicks to lower the pop. Ventures used to be my go to but the forged baseplate extends too far out.

Lower the pop!? You have not seen me struggle, ha. I’ve been trying to lower trucks, again, because it hurts less to pop. Pain or no, I’m  barely getting off the ground.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on January 17, 2021, 10:06:28 AM
Would one really notice much going from 149 to 144 on an 8.25?
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Post by: jamersonbass on January 17, 2021, 10:11:48 AM
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Would one really notice much going from 149 to 144 on an 8.25?

In my experience, the 144's are a little squirrel-y compared to 149's on an 8.25.
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Post by: MxsDx on January 17, 2021, 02:05:23 PM
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In my experience, the 144's are a little squirrel-y compared to 149's on an 8.25.

I second this. I’ve skated both, but an 8.5 axle truck on an 8.25 deck is nice. Increases stability and easier to lock on grinds, and no noticeable detriment on flip tricks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on January 17, 2021, 02:57:40 PM
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Would one really notice much going from 149 to 144 on an 8.25?
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In my experience, the 144's are a little squirrel-y compared to 149's on an 8.25.
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I second this. I’ve skated both, but an 8.5 axle truck on an 8.25 deck is nice. Increases stability and easier to lock on grinds, and no noticeable detriment on flip tricks.


I disagree. As far as truck to deck sizing, +/- .25”. So in this case, I’d run 144s on 8-8.5” decks. Trucks wider than the deck is better for some folks for ledges and lip tricks, and possibly for bombing hills. Trucks narrower better for flipping, quicker turning, less wheelbite.
It’s all personal preference, so when I say ‘I disagree’, I should be saying ‘this is what works better for me’ 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on January 17, 2021, 04:21:54 PM
I have these 149 from when I was on 8.38/8.5. They've got life left, got a fairly new set of 139 as well, however, I don't see myself going above 8.25. Wasn't sure how much I'd notice 139 vs 144 or 144 vs 149 to warrant coping some.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 17, 2021, 05:23:59 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on January 17, 2021, 04:21:54 PM
I have these 149 from when I was on 8.38/8.5. They've got life left, got a fairly new set of 139 as well, however, I don't see myself going above 8.25. Wasn't sure how much I'd notice 139 vs 144 or 144 vs 149 to warrant coping some.

Put the 149s on with NO washers on the inside (two on the outside) more so just to feel where the wheels sit, because that is almost the same as with two washers on the inside of 144s.

In the same way, put three washers on the inside of the 139s and compare where your wheels sit in relation to the 149s with no washers.  On my setups, they are almost the same.

As much as the truck axle ends sit at 8.5 on 149s, usually unless you have three washers on the inside and or fat wide wheels, your truck and wheel setup is never going to be that wide, which is why people had successfully run 149s on 8.25s for a long time before 144s came in.

* Sometimes trucks will not fit three washers, but if you don't run spacers in your wheels, they fit with room to spare on most wheels I have done this with.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ok boomer on January 18, 2021, 08:34:56 AM
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Had a decent session on 147 hollows. Anyone have a deck pairing they like?

I had a Business & Company 8" (14" wb) that I used those trucks with (before heading back to my 7.75 + Indy combo). It was a pretty awesome setup, but I just felt too weird making such a change from 7.75/ Indys so... I didn't "allow" myself to fully enjoy it. BUT it was a nice setup, quick pop and quick flip.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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I had a Business & Company 8" (14" wb) that I used those trucks with (before heading back to my 7.75 + Indy combo). It was a pretty awesome setup, but I just felt too weird making such a change from 7.75/ Indys so... I didn't "allow" myself to fully enjoy it. BUT it was a nice setup, quick pop and quick flip.

14” wb the key, same with 8”. I want a Gino deck, for obvious reasons, but B&C or one of those Gangemi decks would be more interesting.
Thanks for the rec
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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I had a Business & Company 8" (14" wb) that I used those trucks with (before heading back to my 7.75 + Indy combo). It was a pretty awesome setup, but I just felt too weird making such a change from 7.75/ Indys so... I didn't "allow" myself to fully enjoy it. BUT it was a nice setup, quick pop and quick flip.
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14” wb the key, same with 8”. I want a Gino deck, for obvious reasons, but B&C or one of those Gangemi decks would be more interesting.
Thanks for the rec

I was going to say the Gino 8.18", but I used Venture Low 5.25s with it (this is 3 years ago) not Thunders. BUT in saying that... that was also a good setup
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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I had a Business & Company 8" (14" wb) that I used those trucks with (before heading back to my 7.75 + Indy combo). It was a pretty awesome setup, but I just felt too weird making such a change from 7.75/ Indys so... I didn't "allow" myself to fully enjoy it. BUT it was a nice setup, quick pop and quick flip.
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14” wb the key, same with 8”. I want a Gino deck, for obvious reasons, but B&C or one of those Gangemi decks would be more interesting.
Thanks for the rec
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I was going to say the Gino 8.18", but I used Venture Low 5.25s with it (this is 3 years ago) not Thunders. BUT in saying that... that was also a good setup

That was the plan, 8.18 with 5.2 lo’s.
Alternatively I could just skate more often, and forget about acquiring gear that will change results, negligibly at best
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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I had a Business & Company 8" (14" wb) that I used those trucks with (before heading back to my 7.75 + Indy combo). It was a pretty awesome setup, but I just felt too weird making such a change from 7.75/ Indys so... I didn't "allow" myself to fully enjoy it. BUT it was a nice setup, quick pop and quick flip.
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14” wb the key, same with 8”. I want a Gino deck, for obvious reasons, but B&C or one of those Gangemi decks would be more interesting.
Thanks for the rec
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I was going to say the Gino 8.18", but I used Venture Low 5.25s with it (this is 3 years ago) not Thunders. BUT in saying that... that was also a good setup
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That was the plan, 8.18 with 5.2 lo’s.
Alternatively I could just skate more often, and forget about acquiring gear that will change results, negligibly at best

I'm in the same boat really. I'm currently trying to dodge the yearn to Ventures (yet again) but really, I haven't got to skate in 3 weeks so I have too much time on my hands
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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I had a Business & Company 8" (14" wb) that I used those trucks with (before heading back to my 7.75 + Indy combo). It was a pretty awesome setup, but I just felt too weird making such a change from 7.75/ Indys so... I didn't "allow" myself to fully enjoy it. BUT it was a nice setup, quick pop and quick flip.
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14” wb the key, same with 8”. I want a Gino deck, for obvious reasons, but B&C or one of those Gangemi decks would be more interesting.
Thanks for the rec
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I was going to say the Gino 8.18", but I used Venture Low 5.25s with it (this is 3 years ago) not Thunders. BUT in saying that... that was also a good setup
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That was the plan, 8.18 with 5.2 lo’s.
Alternatively I could just skate more often, and forget about acquiring gear that will change results, negligibly at best
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I'm in the same boat really. I'm currently trying to dodge the yearn to Ventures (yet again) but really, I haven't got to skate in 3 weeks so I have too much time on my hands

I've swapped between Thunder and Venture, really love Venture but I keep going back to Thunder. Venture wins on pinch but Thunders are much more versatile with more deck dims.

Does anyone have a review of Venture Titaniums?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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I had a Business & Company 8" (14" wb) that I used those trucks with (before heading back to my 7.75 + Indy combo). It was a pretty awesome setup, but I just felt too weird making such a change from 7.75/ Indys so... I didn't "allow" myself to fully enjoy it. BUT it was a nice setup, quick pop and quick flip.
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14” wb the key, same with 8”. I want a Gino deck, for obvious reasons, but B&C or one of those Gangemi decks would be more interesting.
Thanks for the rec
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I was going to say the Gino 8.18", but I used Venture Low 5.25s with it (this is 3 years ago) not Thunders. BUT in saying that... that was also a good setup
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That was the plan, 8.18 with 5.2 lo’s.
Alternatively I could just skate more often, and forget about acquiring gear that will change results, negligibly at best
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I'm in the same boat really. I'm currently trying to dodge the yearn to Ventures (yet again) but really, I haven't got to skate in 3 weeks so I have too much time on my hands
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I've swapped between Thunder and Venture, really love Venture but I keep going back to Thunder. Venture wins on pinch but Thunders are much more versatile with more deck dims.

Does anyone have a review of Venture Titaniums?

What is this versatility (with decks) that you speak of?

I’ve been bouncing back and forth between 5.2 lo’s and 147s, for ever. I’ll also use 5.2 hi’s from time to time, but have never been super stoked on a setup with them. Hilariously the 5.0 hi’s and I got along great, but they look so ridiculous that I couldn’t.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on January 18, 2021, 07:33:18 PM
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Had a decent session on 147 hollows. Anyone have a deck pairing they like?
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I had a Business & Company 8" (14" wb) that I used those trucks with (before heading back to my 7.75 + Indy combo). It was a pretty awesome setup, but I just felt too weird making such a change from 7.75/ Indys so... I didn't "allow" myself to fully enjoy it. BUT it was a nice setup, quick pop and quick flip.
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14” wb the key, same with 8”. I want a Gino deck, for obvious reasons, but B&C or one of those Gangemi decks would be more interesting.
Thanks for the rec
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I was going to say the Gino 8.18", but I used Venture Low 5.25s with it (this is 3 years ago) not Thunders. BUT in saying that... that was also a good setup
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That was the plan, 8.18 with 5.2 lo’s.
Alternatively I could just skate more often, and forget about acquiring gear that will change results, negligibly at best
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I'm in the same boat really. I'm currently trying to dodge the yearn to Ventures (yet again) but really, I haven't got to skate in 3 weeks so I have too much time on my hands
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I've swapped between Thunder and Venture, really love Venture but I keep going back to Thunder. Venture wins on pinch but Thunders are much more versatile with more deck dims.

Does anyone have a review of Venture Titaniums?
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What is this versatility (with decks) that you speak of?

I’ve been bouncing back and forth between 5.2 lo’s and 147s, for ever. I’ll also use 5.2 hi’s from time to time, but have never been super stoked on a setup with them. Hilariously the 5.0 hi’s and I got along great, but they look so ridiculous that I couldn’t.

Bro science opinion here but Thunder 147 and 148 pair well with most deck deck dimensions. Rode them on 8 x 31.6 x 14, 8 x 31.75 x 14.25, 8.125 x 31.8 x 14.25 and 8.25 x 32.1 x 14.125 and they've performed well under all these deck dimensions, unlike Ventures which I feel only pair well with long length with short wheelbase because of how much they shift wheelbase outwards (3.25-3.5"). And even all the times I've tried pairing Venture with the latter deck dimensions, I find myself going back to Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kaydubbb on January 18, 2021, 10:18:49 PM
Weird question. Some bottom barrel bushings have a straight cut on one side and a more rounded chamfer on the other side. Which side would you put facing the bottom washer and which side into the truck hanger?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 19, 2021, 05:20:36 AM
Rounded side against truck hanger, flat side against washer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 19, 2021, 07:09:22 AM
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Weird question. Some bottom barrel bushings have a straight cut on one side and a more rounded chamfer on the other side. Which side would you put facing the bottom washer and which side into the truck hanger?
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Rounded side against truck hanger, flat side against washer.

Yes that is how most trucks come with stock bushings, the flat part is against the washer and the more textured part is against the truck hanger.

If you look at the top one and which ever is the same look finish, make that part the same on the bottom, as most (not all) are now fairly well finished, no big air bubbles or chunks or urethane overbleed the way they all used to come, looking so unfinished from back in the day.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on January 19, 2021, 09:10:07 AM
thought i was gonna stick with ace, but now i'm considering getting thunder 148s because i'm liking these 147s that i had laying around, but want that 2mm extra height, but i'm also considering downsizing to 7.875 and what if 148s are a tad too wide? who's bright idea was it to make 147s shorter?
on the other hand, i wouldn't mind if ace had a forged baseplate option to be 1-1.5mm shorter because it's already got great wheelbite clearance and would probably still beat thunder if it weren't as tall
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on January 19, 2021, 09:39:05 AM
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thought i was gonna stick with ace, but now i'm considering getting thunder 148s because i'm liking these 147s that i had laying around, but want that 2mm extra height, but i'm also considering downsizing to 7.875 and what if 148s are a tad too wide? who's bright idea was it to make 147s shorter?
on the other hand, i wouldn't mind if ace had a forged baseplate option to be 1-1.5mm shorter because it's already got great wheelbite clearance and would probably still beat thunder if it weren't as tall

Whut.

147s are the true thunder height, they adjusted the larger sizes to be taller. 147s are dope, in large part due to their height. The new wood risers from real, thunder specific jawns, might cure your ails. 147s are good from 7.75-8.25, 148s 8-8.5. Not sure if you have the forged plate thunders, cast plates would give you a little more height, but the wood risers are pretty sick imo.

Ace plate is already thinner. Ace are what, 52 mm high? Thunder 147s are just shy of 50mm iirc. That’s getting pretty precious, no?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on January 19, 2021, 10:38:13 AM
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147s are the true thunder height, they adjusted the larger sizes to be taller.
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Ace plate is already thinner. Ace are what, 52 mm high? Thunder 147s are just shy of 50mm iirc. That’s getting pretty precious, no?
i compared two sets of aces - one broken in and the other untouched - to some forged baseplate indys (53.5mm) and they were pretty much the same height. wish they were a bit lower
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147s are the true thunder height, they adjusted the larger sizes to be taller.
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Ace plate is already thinner. Ace are what, 52 mm high? Thunder 147s are just shy of 50mm iirc. That’s getting pretty precious, no?
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i compared two sets of aces - one broken in and the other untouched - to some forged baseplate indys (53.5mm) and they were pretty much the same height. wish they were a bit lower

Ah. The ace baseplate, to me, looks thin, compared to an indy/thunder cast plate. I didn’t measure my aces, they are pretty worn in, so a measurement would not be accurate to a new truck. I thought aces were 52 mm. With ace qc, that could maybe be a little off.
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 19, 2021, 06:44:05 PM
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Disagree here. I put the flat side against the hanger - (the side with the 3 rings, if you use Indy)

That is the textured (and slightly rounded) side.

The other side is the sharp edges with an unfinished look.

So we are actually putting them on the same way.

Glad we agree!  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on January 19, 2021, 06:56:32 PM
1/8" risers are 3mm, so using those with 147's just gets you narrower 148 Teams. Just get the forged plate 148s.
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Post by: Ok on January 19, 2021, 08:23:04 PM
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1/8" risers are 3mm, so using those with 147's just gets you narrower 148 Teams. Just get the forged plate 148s.


Eh, next comment was them considering sizing deck down to 7.875, which I guess you could do with 148s, but that seems more awkward than just using a riser.

With thunders being different heights for different widths, I’m fairly certain but please correct me if I’m wrong, I wonder where the height comes from: baseplate or hanger?
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Rounded side against truck hanger, flat side against washer.
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Disagree here. I put the flat side against the hanger - (the side with the 3 rings, if you use Indy)
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That is the textured (and slightly rounded) side.

The other side is the sharp edges with an unfinished look.

So we are actually putting them on the same way.

Glad we agree!  :)

Does it actually make a difference? I've seen people discuss this but I can't imagine it actually doing anything
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 19, 2021, 08:38:42 PM
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Rounded side against truck hanger, flat side against washer.
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Disagree here. I put the flat side against the hanger - (the side with the 3 rings, if you use Indy)
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That is the textured (and slightly rounded) side.

The other side is the sharp edges with an unfinished look.

So we are actually putting them on the same way.

Glad we agree!  :)
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Does it actually make a difference? I've seen people discuss this but I can't imagine it actually doing anything

Those cylinder bushings are almost identical at either end so no, not really.  People have often put them in upside down and they will not change a thing about how the skateboard turns or rides.

The only difference that will cause some issues is when the bushing is wider than the space in the metal washer, so it will not sit flat in it, then squashes down, often to the heel side and doesn't perform as it was intended, most commonly when people try to put cylinder bushings on with conical metal washers, or some brands of truck have smaller bottom washers and not as wide cylinder bushings as the aftermarket bushings they try to put in.

Indy bushings always come with the relevant washers to fit, cylinder or conical, as do the Thunder rebuild kit, but some bushing sets only have bushings, no washers, as per the Thunder tube, or the Deluxe Supercush tube.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on January 19, 2021, 08:43:41 PM
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1/8" risers are 3mm, so using those with 147's just gets you narrower 148 Teams. Just get the forged plate 148s.
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Eh, next comment was them considering sizing deck down to 7.875, which I guess you could do with 148s, but that seems more awkward than just using a riser.

With thunders being different heights for different widths, I’m fairly certain but please correct me if I’m wrong, I wonder where the height comes from: baseplate or hanger?

It's from the hanger I think, which is why the kingpin clearance is much lower.
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 19, 2021, 08:48:37 PM
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1/8" risers are 3mm, so using those with 147's just gets you narrower 148 Teams. Just get the forged plate 148s.
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Eh, next comment was them considering sizing deck down to 7.875, which I guess you could do with 148s, but that seems more awkward than just using a riser.

With thunders being different heights for different widths, I’m fairly certain but please correct me if I’m wrong, I wonder where the height comes from: baseplate or hanger?
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It's from the hanger I think, which is why the kingpin clearance is much lower.

Same as the Indy stage 10 to the stage 11, the hanger is taller - easy to see when you have them back to back with the pivot point up.

I thought I had a pic of it, but it seems I do not.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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1/8" risers are 3mm, so using those with 147's just gets you narrower 148 Teams. Just get the forged plate 148s.
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Eh, next comment was them considering sizing deck down to 7.875, which I guess you could do with 148s, but that seems more awkward than just using a riser.

With thunders being different heights for different widths, I’m fairly certain but please correct me if I’m wrong, I wonder where the height comes from: baseplate or hanger?
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It's from the hanger I think, which is why the kingpin clearance is much lower.
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Same as the Indy stage 10 to the stage 11, the hanger is taller - easy to see when you have them back to back with the pivot point up.

I thought I had a pic of it, but it seems I do not.


Did you like stage 10s?
I’m not sure when I started liking Indy less....the quality is higher now, than ever before imo. Just don’t like the new ones as much
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1/8" risers are 3mm, so using those with 147's just gets you narrower 148 Teams. Just get the forged plate 148s.
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Eh, next comment was them considering sizing deck down to 7.875, which I guess you could do with 148s, but that seems more awkward than just using a riser.

With thunders being different heights for different widths, I’m fairly certain but please correct me if I’m wrong, I wonder where the height comes from: baseplate or hanger?
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It's from the hanger I think, which is why the kingpin clearance is much lower.
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Same as the Indy stage 10 to the stage 11, the hanger is taller - easy to see when you have them back to back with the pivot point up.

I thought I had a pic of it, but it seems I do not.
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Did you like stage 10s?
I’m not sure when I started liking Indy less....the quality is higher now, than ever before imo. Just don’t like the new ones as much

I had a lot of Stage 9 (same everything as Stage 10 only the 9s had two hollow parts in the baseplate that always broke) so was used to how they felt and always used thin risers because I liked to turn and I also liked bigger wheels.

When the stage 11 came in, I really didn't want to try them at first, mainly because I had more than a dozen setups, too many that I didn't need and was told they were too high and all the rest of it, but I thought I would try one set of the 144s and was amazed at how much more turn and clearance there was.  I set up more 11s including 149s and 159s on bigger boards too, and have found them overall to be much better for how I skate.

From that, I don't ride many of the older setups with earlier stages, pretty much everything on Stage 11 now, but I am also not skating half as tech as I used to (flips, ledges, etc) so I enjoy more loose truck turn than anything else.  The older 9 and 10 don't turn as much or as well, compared to the 11s, which is probably good for how some people like to skate anyway, that bit more stable and a bit lower, etc.

You can get more or less the same feeling from any of the forged baseplate versions in current trucks and not have the drama of trying to find old trucks - I had some minimally used forged hollow 159s come back so I tested them and they are closer to the older ones, still grind, turn and perform as expected.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on January 20, 2021, 07:36:19 AM
I think people worry about small height differences too much. It might feel weird at first, but most people will wear down their wheels 2-3mm over their life, which is the difference. A low vs high might matter more or moving from a standard Indy to a forged Thunder although the lower height would offset some of the wheelbase move.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on January 20, 2021, 08:44:49 AM
the thing with wheels is going down one mm in diameter is just half a mm difference in height. one mm on trucks can give you room for an extra two mm in wheel size
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Post by: ballintoohard on January 20, 2021, 09:03:56 AM
I mean Thunder regular vs cast or forged vs regular are 1mm in difference....
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Post by: Ok on January 20, 2021, 09:14:40 AM
Anon, I’m kinda not sure what you want. If I read this correctly, if, you don’t like the height of 147s, which are almost 50 mm, but you do like the height of 148s, which are 52 mm, but may want to move down in board size, ace which are listed at 52 mm you want to have a forged plate lowering the height from 50.5 ish to 51.5.
So you want trucks that are 51-52 mm tall? Royals are close, 50 ish, and better than people think. Indy mids when they come out with a forged plate will be a bit lower, now they are 52mm.
I’ll stand by the notion of 147s with forged plate and a rider being your best option.
I agree with ballin that folks get too caught up in height, but I think that’s because there isn’t another number we can attach to the pop feeling. It probably has more to do with a salad of: axle positioning, height, tail/nose lengths and angles, wb, effective wb, butterflies, board width and length, wheel size, and then our individual body proportions, x memories from back in the day
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on January 20, 2021, 10:07:04 AM
Think of this in terms of a simple lever arm. Trucks are going to alter the angle of the board when the tail hits the ground. Moving from Ace to Venture makes the tail pop later as does going from a low to a high. But, wheel size and decks matter much more than just the trucks. Many of these trucks are so close that it might not even change the board angle a half a degree. You can play around with that here a bit: https://www.engineersedge.com/calculators/levers/page_levers_1.htm

My advice after fucking around with Ace, Indy, Thunder, and Venture is to find a relative height you like, then find the turn/grind/pinch/whatever you like the best. Then shop various deck shapes. Or vice versa I dunno. The rest will work itself out. I started skating in the late 90's and don't buy the bullshit that people somehow have 20 year muscle memory going that prevents them from riding higher/bigger stuff. I went from 7.5 and Venture low to 8-8.25 and Indy/Thunder forged and likely skate as close to as good if not better than my peak aside from flatground flip tricks that I don't have the patience to care about.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on January 20, 2021, 10:36:55 AM
I don’t think my personal muscle memory from 20 plus years ago is a factor. I think my memories (fantasies) about how I skated back in the day factor in, because I’m chasing ‘feelings’ from long ago.
Modern equipment is also much nicer. Boards, trucks, wheels, are for the most part significantly better now. Which makes riding a larger size easier.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on January 20, 2021, 10:46:50 AM
yeah - levers, fulcrum, length of tail/nose, angle, all that bs. i think we can all adjust. it was more to do with the material/hardness and "quality" of pop to begin with
somebody mentioned the material of aces was the cause of a less crisp pop, which led me down this rabbit hole (i was quite content otherwise)
as i messed around, i found that the height of thunders felt good and wanted aces to be that height
since aces beat any other truck in regards to wheel clearance, i wouldn't mind sacrificing a bit of that to have a lower ride (ace lows are too much)
as for the pop of aces, i've just come to terms with it
i'll just use thunders with the more worn in, razor-tailed decks and smaller wheels
i do like the "manual point" on thunders, tough
backside nosegrinds with thunders are a dream
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on January 20, 2021, 01:11:26 PM
Quote from: Ok on January 20, 2021, 10:36:55 AM
I don’t think my personal muscle memory from 20 plus years ago is a factor. I think my memories (fantasies) about how I skated back in the day factor in, because I’m chasing ‘feelings’ from long ago.
Modern equipment is also much nicer. Boards, trucks, wheels, are for the most part significantly better now. Which makes riding a larger size easier.

I totally get this, it's a big reason I'm back on an 8! Not meaning to sound rude.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 22, 2021, 04:20:27 PM
I just came across this post from a while back from the guy who does his own board shapes, customised Ace inverted kingpin.

Looks like he did it right.


https://www.instagram.com/p/B__TYkzFm38/
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 22, 2021, 04:24:55 PM

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqATfmjFnxd/

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Post by: anon on January 22, 2021, 06:23:43 PM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BqATfmjFnxd/
i tried krux kingpins without the washers and my top bushing fell off
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i tried krux kingpins without the washers and my top bushing fell off

He looked like he had quite a few modifications and I didn't want to post too many that he put up, but I could see the bushing getting smashed with the top head pulling through on a few of the posts.

Everyone can set their board up how they want, but I always thought it was very short lived to not have a metal washer on top, plain bushings and bones alike just get pulled through.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hobochimp on January 23, 2021, 12:15:01 PM
Anyone running 139s on an 8.25? Been enjoying my screw around 8 inch deck recently, but I want to try out the 8.25 shape Polar does. I know Andrew Reynolds has always been on 139s on bigger boards, but I'm curious how the more average skater feels about this setup. The weight and height of standard 139's has just been feeling great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JimGeko on January 23, 2021, 12:38:48 PM
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Anyone running 139s on an 8.25? Been enjoying my screw around 8 inch deck recently, but I want to try out the 8.25 shape Polar does. I know Andrew Reynolds has always been on 139s on bigger boards, but I'm curious how the more average skater feels about this setup. The weight and height of standard 139's has just been feeling great.

Yeah I rock 139 venture on a 8.25 and it fells fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on January 23, 2021, 01:48:44 PM
I've ridden 139 on that Polar shape, but prefer the Polar 8" shape which is almost identical aside from the width and a 1/8" longer tail
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on January 23, 2021, 02:27:51 PM
Maybe this should go in the bearing thread, but does anyone not run inside axle washers? I used to run one as normal, but want to have my wheels a tiny bit more tucked in. Dont have shields, so those wont rub on the side of the hanger, I don't see anything else besides the inner bearing race making contact... is that a problem?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on January 23, 2021, 06:10:52 PM
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Anyone running 139s on an 8.25? Been enjoying my screw around 8 inch deck recently, but I want to try out the 8.25 shape Polar does. I know Andrew Reynolds has always been on 139s on bigger boards, but I'm curious how the more average skater feels about this setup. The weight and height of standard 139's has just been feeling great.
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Yeah I rock 139 venture on a 8.25 and it fells fine.

Big fan of those proportions. You can always docs your wheels a little further out with washers if you need as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 23, 2021, 06:51:53 PM
I think on nine club they mention ishod runs this set up too...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 23, 2021, 08:15:07 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on January 23, 2021, 02:27:51 PM
Maybe this should go in the bearing thread, but does anyone not run inside axle washers? I used to run one as normal, but want to have my wheels a tiny bit more tucked in. Dont have shields, so those wont rub on the side of the hanger, I don't see anything else besides the inner bearing race making contact... is that a problem?

If the truck is not rubbing on the moving parts of the bearing or wheel, then go for it!


Quote from: j....soy..... on January 23, 2021, 06:51:53 PM
I think on nine club they mention ishod runs this set up too...

Yes having more washers moves wheels out (up a whole size of truck if you have 3 on the inside of each) and not having any on the inside brings the trucks down some too.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on January 23, 2021, 08:21:02 PM
3 washers on the hanger side gives the same wheel
Position as the next size up in trucks? Interesting.
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Post by: tzhangdox on January 23, 2021, 08:26:28 PM
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Maybe this should go in the bearing thread, but does anyone not run inside axle washers? I used to run one as normal, but want to have my wheels a tiny bit more tucked in. Dont have shields, so those wont rub on the side of the hanger, I don't see anything else besides the inner bearing race making contact... is that a problem?
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If the truck is not rubbing on the moving parts of the bearing or wheel, then go for it!


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Yes having more washers moves wheels out (up a whole size of truck if you have 3 on the inside of each) and not having any on the inside brings the trucks down some too.

Yeah ages ago on ace 44s I used to do about 3 washers on the inside so that they felt like a true 8.5 truck give or take. On venture 5.8s I normally just do one inside two on the outside but wanted to see what it was like with none on the inside. Its only the inner race that touches the truck (it would touch the washer otherwise), and the inner race isnt really meant to spin anyway so I think it should be ok. Hopefully I dont end up regretting this and having a bunch of blown out swiss in a few weeks
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 23, 2021, 08:30:45 PM
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3 washers on the hanger side gives the same wheel
Position as the next size up in trucks? Interesting.

More so for the Indy 139 - 144 - 149 sizes, but I put three on the inside of my 149s with bigger wheels and it almost lines up to the single washer on a set of 159s that I have with not so wide wheels.

If the washer is about 1mm in width, an extra 4 mm in total wheel push out definitely makes a difference.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stets on January 26, 2021, 11:46:46 AM
I just went down a rabbit hole of modding some Tensor ATG Mag Lights. I was interested to try out the lightest trucks possible, plus I hear mag hangers grind like butter. However, I am not a fan of painted trucks, so I stripped it and then hit it with a mag car wheel polish/sealer to help at least a little against oxidation. Here's one stripped and one with the paint.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878783377_9ea79a7770_z.jpg)

I went full geek mode and swapped out some parts to make them lighter and turn more to my liking.

Tensor ATG Mag Light 5.75 (8.5 inch)
-Tensor stock top bushing, Titanium top bushing cup from eBay.
-Bones hard bottom bushing, no bushing cup.
-Riptide pivot cups.
-ACER Racing titanium axel nuts (thinner, allowing one extra speed washer on hanger side, got on Black Friday sale)
-ACER Racing titanium kingpin nut (also thinner, also on Black Friday sale)
-Individual truck started at 274g, and now weighs in at 256g

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878783852_0ca5dfd936_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878680381_0d8192bfb9_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878783492_d79ec2003f_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on January 26, 2021, 12:43:34 PM
Quote from: stets on January 26, 2021, 11:46:46 AM
I just went down a rabbit hole of modding some Tensor ATG Mag Lights. I was interested to try out the lightest trucks possible, plus I hear mag hangers grind like butter. However, I am not a fan of painted trucks, so I stripped it and then hit it with a mag car wheel polish/sealer to help at least a little against oxidation. Here's one stripped and one with the paint.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878783377_9ea79a7770_z.jpg)

I went full geek mode and swapped out some parts to make them lighter and turn more to my liking.

Tensor ATG Mag Light 5.75 (8.5 inch)
-Tensor stock top bushing, Titanium top bushing cup from eBay.
-Bones hard bottom bushing, no bushing cup.
-Riptide pivot cups.
-ACER Racing titanium axel nuts (thinner, allowing one extra speed washer on hanger side, got on Black Friday sale)
-ACER Racing titanium kingpin nut (also thinner, also on Black Friday sale)
-Individual truck started at 274g, and now weighs in at 256g

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878783852_0ca5dfd936_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878680381_0d8192bfb9_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878783492_d79ec2003f_z.jpg)

Must say I enjoyed to read all that nerd stuff :)
Tell us how you like them. I seen your riptide's have a bit of overhang, could that be s Problem? Mine also have a bit of overhang but I couldn't realise any problems.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on January 26, 2021, 01:11:46 PM
Quote from: stets on January 26, 2021, 11:46:46 AM
I just went down a rabbit hole of modding some Tensor ATG Mag Lights. I was interested to try out the lightest trucks possible, plus I hear mag hangers grind like butter. However, I am not a fan of painted trucks, so I stripped it and then hit it with a mag car wheel polish/sealer to help at least a little against oxidation. Here's one stripped and one with the paint.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878783377_9ea79a7770_z.jpg)

I went full geek mode and swapped out some parts to make them lighter and turn more to my liking.

Tensor ATG Mag Light 5.75 (8.5 inch)
-Tensor stock top bushing, Titanium top bushing cup from eBay.
-Bones hard bottom bushing, no bushing cup.
-Riptide pivot cups.
-ACER Racing titanium axel nuts (thinner, allowing one extra speed washer on hanger side, got on Black Friday sale)
-ACER Racing titanium kingpin nut (also thinner, also on Black Friday sale)
-Individual truck started at 274g, and now weighs in at 256g

those washers look wild
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on January 26, 2021, 01:23:14 PM
Quote from: pointandclick on January 26, 2021, 01:11:46 PM
Quote from: stets on January 26, 2021, 11:46:46 AM
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I just went down a rabbit hole of modding some Tensor ATG Mag Lights. I was interested to try out the lightest trucks possible, plus I hear mag hangers grind like butter. However, I am not a fan of painted trucks, so I stripped it and then hit it with a mag car wheel polish/sealer to help at least a little against oxidation. Here's one stripped and one with the paint.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878783377_9ea79a7770_z.jpg)

I went full geek mode and swapped out some parts to make them lighter and turn more to my liking.

Tensor ATG Mag Light 5.75 (8.5 inch)
-Tensor stock top bushing, Titanium top bushing cup from eBay.
-Bones hard bottom bushing, no bushing cup.
-Riptide pivot cups.
-ACER Racing titanium axel nuts (thinner, allowing one extra speed washer on hanger side, got on Black Friday sale)
-ACER Racing titanium kingpin nut (also thinner, also on Black Friday sale)
-Individual truck started at 274g, and now weighs in at 256g

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those washers look wild

Those look so good, I’m not a fan of how the “raw” mags are that weird paired grey. I made it to the axle in like 8 or 9 months of crooks and nosegrinds
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stets on January 26, 2021, 01:37:50 PM
Quote from: pointandclick on January 26, 2021, 01:11:46 PM
Quote from: stets on January 26, 2021, 11:46:46 AM
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those washers look wild

Yeah, they definitely do! They aren't rounded like a traditional pressed metal bushing cup. Sharp edges, so these are machined instead I guess? Or forged?

Found them again. Damn, the price went up! I bought these bushing cups two years ago and they were half this price.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Titanium-Hardware-Skateboard-Bushing-Cup-Washer-S-18-5mm/113809364160 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Titanium-Hardware-Skateboard-Bushing-Cup-Washer-S-18-5mm/113809364160)

Quote from: TwisT on January 26, 2021, 01:23:14 PM

Those look so good, I’m not a fan of how the “raw” mags are that weird paired grey. I made it to the axle in like 8 or 9 months of crooks and nosegrinds

Thanks! And thanks for the timeframe on reaching axle... so if they end up feeling weird to me I won't be stuck skating them 2 years to hit axle, like these Thunders I just retired!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on January 26, 2021, 01:39:05 PM
Quote from: stets on January 26, 2021, 01:37:50 PM
Quote from: pointandclick on January 26, 2021, 01:11:46 PM
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Yeah, they definitely do! They aren't rounded like a traditional pressed metal bushing cup. Sharp edges, so these are machined instead I guess? Or forged?

Found them again. Damn, the price went up! I bought these bushing cups two years ago and they were half this price.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Titanium-Hardware-Skateboard-Bushing-Cup-Washer-S-18-5mm/113809364160 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Titanium-Hardware-Skateboard-Bushing-Cup-Washer-S-18-5mm/113809364160)

Quote from: TwisT on January 26, 2021, 01:23:14 PM
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Those look so good, I’m not a fan of how the “raw” mags are that weird paired grey. I made it to the axle in like 8 or 9 months of crooks and nosegrinds
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Thanks! And thanks for the timeframe on reaching axle... so if they end up feeling weird to me I won't be stuck skating them 2 years to hit axle, like these Thunders I just retired!

If you skate concrete ledges, curbs or just hold your grinds in general you'll hit axle soooo quick on these things.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on January 26, 2021, 05:41:46 PM
My mate had these and he hit axle in less than 3 months, skating angle iron. When he was grinding there would be flakes of the alloy similar to when you sharpen a pencil. I think he retired them after 1 tear and sent me some pictures that i lost. The axle was showing along the entire hanger on both trucks. I will ask for the pics and hopedully will be able to post them here.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nicki on January 26, 2021, 10:28:57 PM
Quote from: stets on January 26, 2021, 11:46:46 AM
I just went down a rabbit hole of modding some Tensor ATG Mag Lights. I was interested to try out the lightest trucks possible, plus I hear mag hangers grind like butter. However, I am not a fan of painted trucks, so I stripped it and then hit it with a mag car wheel polish/sealer to help at least a little against oxidation. Here's one stripped and one with the paint.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878783377_9ea79a7770_z.jpg)

I went full geek mode and swapped out some parts to make them lighter and turn more to my liking.

Tensor ATG Mag Light 5.75 (8.5 inch)
-Tensor stock top bushing, Titanium top bushing cup from eBay.
-Bones hard bottom bushing, no bushing cup.
-Riptide pivot cups.
-ACER Racing titanium axel nuts (thinner, allowing one extra speed washer on hanger side, got on Black Friday sale)
-ACER Racing titanium kingpin nut (also thinner, also on Black Friday sale)
-Individual truck started at 274g, and now weighs in at 256g

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878783852_0ca5dfd936_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878680381_0d8192bfb9_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878783492_d79ec2003f_z.jpg)

WOW - looks so much better stripped, thanks for sharing, so sick! I’ve got to get some of those titanium nuts, never thought of that, great idea!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nth syd bear on January 27, 2021, 05:39:33 AM
Quote from: stets on January 26, 2021, 01:37:50 PM
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those washers look wild
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Yeah, they definitely do! They aren't rounded like a traditional pressed metal bushing cup. Sharp edges, so these are machined instead I guess? Or forged?

Found them again. Damn, the price went up! I bought these bushing cups two years ago and they were half this price.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Titanium-Hardware-Skateboard-Bushing-Cup-Washer-S-18-5mm/113809364160 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Titanium-Hardware-Skateboard-Bushing-Cup-Washer-S-18-5mm/113809364160)

Quote from: TwisT on January 26, 2021, 01:23:14 PM
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Those look so good, I’m not a fan of how the “raw” mags are that weird paired grey. I made it to the axle in like 8 or 9 months of crooks and nosegrinds
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Thanks! And thanks for the timeframe on reaching axle... so if they end up feeling weird to me I won't be stuck skating them 2 years to hit axle, like these Thunders I just retired!
  how did u strip them so well??  I've been tempted to try something like this
but I thought I read something about tensor's being powder coated for a reason.

Two things I would be a very happy if tensor made mag light ATG's that looked like this
2nd I am jealous those things look sick
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: kimura on January 27, 2021, 07:25:57 AM
Those trucks look sweet. I dig all the bling.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jimgrude on January 27, 2021, 05:00:46 PM
Quote
Thanks! And thanks for the timeframe on reaching axle... so if they end up feeling weird to me I won't be stuck skating them 2 years to hit axle, like these Thunders I just retired!
  how did u strip them so well??  I've been tempted to try something like this
but I thought I read something about tensor's being powder coated for a reason.

Two things I would be a very happy if tensor made mag light ATG's that looked like this
2nd I am jealous those things look sick
They're coated to protect them from corrosion, as magnesium degrades when exposed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stets on January 27, 2021, 10:56:11 PM
Quote from: Nth syd bear on January 27, 2021, 05:39:33 AM
  how did u strip them so well??  I've been tempted to try something like this
but I thought I read something about tensor's being powder coated for a reason.

Two things I would be a very happy if tensor made mag light ATG's that looked like this
2nd I am jealous those things look sick

Definitely was more like automotive paint. Just took some lacquer thinner and 00 steel wool and some time!! Polished lightly wit a magnesium rim sealer after.


Quote from: jimgrude on January 27, 2021, 05:00:46 PM
They're coated to protect them from corrosion, as magnesium degrades when exposed.

Yep. Magnesium oxidizes quicker than aluminum (which is why I used a mag wheel polish/sealer after stripping... we will see if it stalls the oxidation at all). Aluminum oxidizes over time on trucks too, that's why like stage 8 Indy's look duller than brand new ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on January 28, 2021, 07:50:15 AM
Madness got me curious to try those ATG tensors now, with mag plates and raw aluminum hangers. Can anyone comment on the strength of the baseplates? Did the bolt holes ovalize any faster, kingpin wiggle loose? etc.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nth syd bear on January 28, 2021, 03:40:50 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on January 28, 2021, 07:50:15 AM
Madness got me curious to try those ATG tensors now, with mag plates and raw aluminum hangers. Can anyone comment on the strength of the baseplates? Did the bolt holes ovalize any faster, kingpin wiggle loose? etc.

I've had a set of 5.75 mag lights on my regular set up since March last year
I cracked the pivot cup (I replaced it) on one and switched to bones bushings about 6 months in
They soft, sound and feel a little weird but quality wise Tensor's are very well made

My trucks are fair loose and the hanger don't wiggle like it would in say Ventures
Have not noticed any problems with bolts holes ovalising yet either

I like em alot but would fully understand that some people wouldn't
they ridiculously light, soft and feel weirdly hollow
i wasn't impressed at first but now I have a back up set on ice and won't be switching back anything soon
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on January 28, 2021, 06:50:59 PM
https://youtu.be/HE3kFwDlD7g

Getting into the washer talk on Nine Club. Skip to 13:53 to hear Rog talk about washers.
Skip to 11:32 for talk on spacers and washer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on January 28, 2021, 07:17:22 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on January 28, 2021, 06:50:59 PM
https://youtu.be/HE3kFwDlD7g

Getting into the washer talk on Nine Club. Skip to 13:53 to hear Rog talk about washers.
Skip to 11:32 for talk on spacers and washer.
painful
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 28, 2021, 09:08:18 PM
Sometimes the incorrect terminology causes so much more confusion.

Truck axle, axle nut, axle washers, bearing spacers, bearing... 

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Shuh on January 28, 2021, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: jay_nev on January 28, 2021, 07:17:22 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on January 28, 2021, 06:50:59 PM
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https://youtu.be/HE3kFwDlD7g

Getting into the washer talk on Nine Club. Skip to 13:53 to hear Rog talk about washers.
Skip to 11:32 for talk on spacers and washer.
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painful

Kelly Hart thinks his thunders 147s are not light, thats cute
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NowhereInLife on January 28, 2021, 10:24:14 PM
i've realized that it takes about the exact same time for me to warm up as for my bushings to freeze...naturally.

anyone got bushings that that resist freezing??  i'm on stock thunders with an indy super soft top/front.

don't mind the cold (sans wind) otherwise.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Easy Slider on January 29, 2021, 03:13:55 AM
Quote from: NowhereInLife on January 28, 2021, 10:24:14 PM
i've realized that it takes about the exact same time for me to warm up as for my bushings to freeze...naturally.

anyone got bushings that that resist freezing??  i'm on stock thunders with an indy super soft top/front.

don't mind the cold (sans wind) otherwise.

Riding bones hard HC bushings and never had an issue so far -  and yes I have been skating at around freezing temperatures albeit not more than an hour.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JugeL on January 29, 2021, 04:00:01 AM
Bones mediums dont freeze, been skating them in freezing parking garages
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on January 29, 2021, 04:10:24 AM
Quote from: NowhereInLife on January 28, 2021, 10:24:14 PM
i've realized that it takes about the exact same time for me to warm up as for my bushings to freeze...naturally.

anyone got bushings that that resist freezing??  i'm on stock thunders with an indy super soft top/front.

don't mind the cold (sans wind) otherwise.

I just put some Bones softs in my Indy’s for that same reason. Works fine now, no freezing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Scott Chegg on January 29, 2021, 04:24:07 AM
Put some Indy ultra soft bushings in my thunders and they felt like absolute shit, then I cut the bushings in half and they're feeling pretty good. There is nothing I hate more than breaking in bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on January 29, 2021, 05:51:18 AM
Ace and bones bushings are the only ones that work for me in western NY winters
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: NowhereInLife on January 29, 2021, 08:54:41 AM
Gnars for y'all. 

I got off bones a few years back because i was continually cracking cores when i got slappy happy.  But guess I'd rather the too turny of a cracked core than the no turn at all of frozen ones. 

Appreciate you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: AngryBlackMan on February 02, 2021, 09:43:34 AM
I’ve had a lot of truck madness over the years and have come to the conclusion that Indy forged or Thunder team trucks have the best wheelbase offset/height  to be able to run different decks without creating massive issues. 

On one end of the scale (ace, cast Indy, etc) if you run them with decks with short wheelbases or long tails you can run into issues.

On the other (thunder forged, venture cast or forged) having a long wheelbase or short tails can cause issues.

With Indy forged or thunder cast you can use risers or not depending on concave, kicks, or wheel size.

This only really matters if you have a truck you love vs a deck you love.  If you’re into a certain truck then you have to get decks that work.  If you’re into a certain deck you have to get trucks that work.

If you like to change up your deck and wheels size then those trucks are the best choices (in my opinion).

Also all of the “issues” are just in our heads and can be overcome by just getting used to it. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on February 02, 2021, 10:04:35 AM
I concur. I measured my Forged Hollow Indy and Thunder Team and they were extremely close if not identical in WB. If you do the math the slightly lower height of the Thunders offsets the length difference. And both turn pretty similar the way I have them setup to where it comes down to slight preference. If I ran conical bushings on the Indy I’m not sure I would notice
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 08, 2021, 03:21:04 PM
Quote from: stets on January 26, 2021, 11:46:46 AM
I just went down a rabbit hole of modding some Tensor ATG Mag Lights. I was interested to try out the lightest trucks possible, plus I hear mag hangers grind like butter. However, I am not a fan of painted trucks, so I stripped it and then hit it with a mag car wheel polish/sealer to help at least a little against oxidation. Here's one stripped and one with the paint.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878783377_9ea79a7770_z.jpg)

I went full geek mode and swapped out some parts to make them lighter and turn more to my liking.

Tensor ATG Mag Light 5.75 (8.5 inch)
-Tensor stock top bushing, Titanium top bushing cup from eBay.
-Bones hard bottom bushing, no bushing cup.
-Riptide pivot cups.
-ACER Racing titanium axel nuts (thinner, allowing one extra speed washer on hanger side, got on Black Friday sale)
-ACER Racing titanium kingpin nut (also thinner, also on Black Friday sale)
-Individual truck started at 274g, and now weighs in at 256g

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878783852_0ca5dfd936_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878680381_0d8192bfb9_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878783492_d79ec2003f_z.jpg)

Great job on the finish, those are SAF! I'm running the Bones meds top and bottom, same overall effect as the tensor top, no bottom washer and Ti nuts as well on my Maglights; that washer tho...looks sick...ebay seller has it listed at 6.2g, stock cup washer is 4/5g ...@$12 a washer, it's adding weight? I just use the bones washer on top (2g)..thunder are 4g each as well tho, indy's are, like everything else they make, heavier as well (but if I had t bet, more durable).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stets on February 08, 2021, 07:01:42 PM
Quote from: Xen on February 08, 2021, 03:21:04 PM
Great job on the finish, those are SAF! I'm running the Bones meds top and bottom, same overall effect as the tensor top, no bottom washer and Ti nuts as well on my Maglights; that washer tho...looks sick...ebay seller has it listed at 6.2g, stock cup washer is 4/5g ...@$12 a washer, it's adding weight? I just use the bones washer on top (2g)..thunder are 4g each as well tho, indy's are, like everything else they make, heavier as well (but if I had t bet, more durable).

Thanks Xen! So I took one off and it measured in at just a hair above 3g. So they are MARGINALLY lighter, haha. Luckily I got the top washer cheaper than it is now. But also I figured, might as well go that extra step, complete the light weight Titanium mania. Haha

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50924540977_f0f5ed1f4b.jpg)

Also, for that inverted kingpin loving crowd, I found a Ti bolt from an auto parts resource that is like a flat top Bones washer as the head of the bolt. It's perfect kingpin size, length, pitch, etc. Here it is mocked up with a Bones bushing (it's my bottom bushing, but it gets the point across...) Not modding these trucks to use this, but I will be putting them in some Indy's after I buy a pair of the new inverted baseplates when those are on the market.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50924540952_65edd3ae6f_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on February 08, 2021, 07:47:12 PM
I don’t know what it is about these thunder 145’s. But I just can’t get them to turn. I’ve had thunders before that had somewhat of a twitchy turn, but these just don’t turn. The kingpin nut isn’t even flush, they are barley screwed on. I have just normal 90a green thunder bushings that they come with, and they feel like they are cranked down. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 08, 2021, 07:53:09 PM
Quote from: TFUCKINA on February 08, 2021, 07:47:12 PM
I don’t know what it is about these thunder 145’s. But I just can’t get them to turn. I’ve had thunders before that had somewhat of a twitchy turn, but these just don’t turn. The kingpin nut isn’t even flush, they are barley screwed on. I have just normal 90a green thunder bushings that they come with, and they feel like they are cranked down. Any suggestions?

I had the same issue with my 147’s. I greased the pivot cup and switched to bones soft bushings (flat washer on top). Worked like a charm and they turned nice after that.

Hope that helps!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on February 08, 2021, 08:00:02 PM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on February 08, 2021, 07:53:09 PM
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I don’t know what it is about these thunder 145’s. But I just can’t get them to turn. I’ve had thunders before that had somewhat of a twitchy turn, but these just don’t turn. The kingpin nut isn’t even flush, they are barley screwed on. I have just normal 90a green thunder bushings that they come with, and they feel like they are cranked down. Any suggestions?
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I had the same issue with my 147’s. I greased the pivot cup and switched to bones soft bushings (flat washer on top). Worked like a charm and they turned nice after that.

Hope that helps!

yea, I tried putting some wax in the pivot cups and it helped somewhat for a very temporary time. what did you use exactly to grease the pivot cup? and also, I’ve always heard bones bushings don’t fit in thunders properly. Maybe I’ll get a set and see for myself. thank you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 08, 2021, 08:15:04 PM
Quote from: TFUCKINA on February 08, 2021, 08:00:02 PM
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I don’t know what it is about these thunder 145’s. But I just can’t get them to turn. I’ve had thunders before that had somewhat of a twitchy turn, but these just don’t turn. The kingpin nut isn’t even flush, they are barley screwed on. I have just normal 90a green thunder bushings that they come with, and they feel like they are cranked down. Any suggestions?
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I had the same issue with my 147’s. I greased the pivot cup and switched to bones soft bushings (flat washer on top). Worked like a charm and they turned nice after that.

Hope that helps!
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yea, I tried putting some wax in the pivot cups and it helped somewhat for a very temporary time. what did you use exactly to grease the pivot cup? and also, I’ve always heard bones bushings don’t fit in thunders properly. Maybe I’ll get a set and see for myself. thank you.

I use some food grade grease I got for repairing my wife’s mixer and it works great

Sta-Lube Synthetic Food Grade Grease, 14 Wt Oz, SL35610 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007PB6SNA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_5F8CCNB2S8F0JQKGPDTE


As for the bushing fit, they work fine for me! I’ve got them on a couple sets of thunders with no problem but I’ll check and see if the bushings are the same size when I get a chance tomorrow

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 08, 2021, 09:08:46 PM
Quote from: TFUCKINA on February 08, 2021, 08:00:02 PM
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I don’t know what it is about these thunder 145’s. But I just can’t get them to turn. I’ve had thunders before that had somewhat of a twitchy turn, but these just don’t turn. The kingpin nut isn’t even flush, they are barley screwed on. I have just normal 90a green thunder bushings that they come with, and they feel like they are cranked down. Any suggestions?
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I had the same issue with my 147’s. I greased the pivot cup and switched to bones soft bushings (flat washer on top). Worked like a charm and they turned nice after that.

Hope that helps!
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yea, I tried putting some wax in the pivot cups and it helped somewhat for a very temporary time. what did you use exactly to grease the pivot cup? and also, I’ve always heard bones bushings don’t fit in thunders properly. Maybe I’ll get a set and see for myself. thank you.

Are they just too tight with the existing setup?

Often to cut down the top bushing a touch means you can get the nut on well and they will perform much better for you, without having to go out and get other bushings, etc.

I have posted the info about it a few times so can link it to you if you want, more so than post it again (see below).

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3416326#msg3416326

The other thing I have seen some people do just to wear the bushings in is take the bottom metal washer off for a session or two, until they wear in or soften up.

Are you in colder weather right now, cause that could be part of it too?  Colder weather makes bushings harder, so they will not turn as easily or at all, especially if you are in very cold areas, as I see many people are right now.



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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I don’t know what it is about these thunder 145’s. But I just can’t get them to turn. I’ve had thunders before that had somewhat of a twitchy turn, but these just don’t turn. The kingpin nut isn’t even flush, they are barley screwed on. I have just normal 90a green thunder bushings that they come with, and they feel like they are cranked down. Any suggestions?
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I had the same issue with my 147’s. I greased the pivot cup and switched to bones soft bushings (flat washer on top). Worked like a charm and they turned nice after that.

Hope that helps!
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yea, I tried putting some wax in the pivot cups and it helped somewhat for a very temporary time. what did you use exactly to grease the pivot cup? and also, I’ve always heard bones bushings don’t fit in thunders properly. Maybe I’ll get a set and see for myself. thank you.
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Are they just too tight with the existing setup?

Often to cut down the top bushing a touch means you can get the nut on well and they will perform much better for you, without having to go out and get other bushings, etc.

I have posted the info about it a few times so can link it to you if you want, more so than post it again (see below).

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3416326#msg3416326

The other thing I have seen some people do just to wear the bushings in is take the bottom metal washer off for a session or two, until they wear in or soften up.

Are you in colder weather right now, cause that could be part of it too?  Colder weather makes bushings harder, so they will not turn as easily or at all, especially if you are in very cold areas, as I see many people are right now.

yea, no matter what I do they just don’t turn enough. And it isn’t the weather, I’m in Florida and it’s already getting hot here.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lou Strux on February 09, 2021, 01:26:49 PM
Just my experience, but I found the stock bushings to be on the stiff side for a minute, but they broke in real nice after a session or two.
Mind if I ask what you weigh?
Could be you just need a softer bushing if you’re on the “slimmer side” of physiques.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on February 09, 2021, 02:12:54 PM
I like stock Thunder bushings and want the whites, but can never find that color. DM or reply here if you know somewhere with them in stock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheLowerBack on February 10, 2021, 11:36:56 PM
Someone mentioned Tensor bushings not working with all trucks. Does anyone know which trucks they do fit? They sound interesting, but don’t wanna end up wasting money.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on February 10, 2021, 11:53:29 PM
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Someone mentioned Tensor bushings not working with all trucks. Does anyone know which trucks they do fit? They sound interesting, but don’t wanna end up wasting money.

What trucks do you use? I have tensor bushings and a bunch of different trucks but I'm not gonna go try 'em all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Someone mentioned Tensor bushings not working with all trucks. Does anyone know which trucks they do fit? They sound interesting, but don’t wanna end up wasting money.
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What trucks do you use? I have tensor bushings and a bunch of different trucks but I'm not gonna go try 'em all.
Haha. Right on. I’m on Thunder now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Croquet temper on February 17, 2021, 08:28:34 AM
What are the biggest wheels you'd put on forged Indys?
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Post by: Firebert on February 17, 2021, 08:34:37 AM
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What are the biggest wheels you'd put on forged Indys?
I'd say 54mm if you want a juicy turn without wheelbite
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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What are the biggest wheels you'd put on forged Indys?
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I'd say 54mm if you want a juicy turn without wheelbite

Noted. I got 55 classics for longevity.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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https://youtu.be/HE3kFwDlD7g

Getting into the washer talk on Nine Club. Skip to 13:53 to hear Rog talk about washers.
Skip to 11:32 for talk on spacers and washer.
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painful
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Kelly Hart thinks his thunders 147s are not light, thats cute
The years of skateboarding experience in that room versus how much collective knowledge is in that room is stark.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 17, 2021, 10:51:45 AM
I can't seem to find a definitive answer online, does anyone know if the material used for solid axles is the same material they use for hollow ones? Or do they use a stronger alloy for hollows? Trying to determine whether a solid axle is more prone to bending vs a hollow one.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on February 17, 2021, 11:05:10 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 17, 2021, 10:51:45 AM
I can't seem to find a definitive answer online, does anyone know if the material used for solid axles is the same material they use for hollow ones? Or do they use a stronger alloy for hollows? Trying to determine whether a solid axle is more prone to bending vs a hollow one.
At the very least, I know a hollow axle is stronger than a solid one of the same material. I would assume the material is the same.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ssu_kim.korea on February 17, 2021, 09:03:44 PM
I'd like to know the link to the ti kingpin purchase.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OldCandy on February 17, 2021, 09:18:21 PM
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I just went down a rabbit hole of modding some Tensor ATG Mag Lights. I was interested to try out the lightest trucks possible, plus I hear mag hangers grind like butter. However, I am not a fan of painted trucks, so I stripped it and then hit it with a mag car wheel polish/sealer to help at least a little against oxidation. Here's one stripped and one with the paint.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878783377_9ea79a7770_z.jpg)

I went full geek mode and swapped out some parts to make them lighter and turn more to my liking.

Tensor ATG Mag Light 5.75 (8.5 inch)
-Tensor stock top bushing, Titanium top bushing cup from eBay.
-Bones hard bottom bushing, no bushing cup.
-Riptide pivot cups.
-ACER Racing titanium axel nuts (thinner, allowing one extra speed washer on hanger side, got on Black Friday sale)
-ACER Racing titanium kingpin nut (also thinner, also on Black Friday sale)
-Individual truck started at 274g, and now weighs in at 256g

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878783852_0ca5dfd936_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50878680381_0d8192bfb9_z.jpg)
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Great job on the finish, those are SAF! I'm running the Bones meds top and bottom, same overall effect as the tensor top, no bottom washer and Ti nuts as well on my Maglights; that washer tho...looks sick...ebay seller has it listed at 6.2g, stock cup washer is 4/5g ...@$12 a washer, it's adding weight? I just use the bones washer on top (2g)..thunder are 4g each as well tho, indy's are, like everything else they make, heavier as well (but if I had t bet, more durable).

holy fuck this is the coolest shit ever that stripped mag light looks fucking sickkk.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OldCandy on February 17, 2021, 09:21:17 PM
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I can't seem to find a definitive answer online, does anyone know if the material used for solid axles is the same material they use for hollow ones? Or do they use a stronger alloy for hollows? Trying to determine whether a solid axle is more prone to bending vs a hollow one.
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At the very least, I know a hollow axle is stronger than a solid one of the same material. I would assume the material is the same.

i think i read somewhere on slap that hollow kingpins/axles are stronger because of the shape/form - thus making different material unnesscary.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OldCandy on February 17, 2021, 09:24:07 PM
i am curious to know how much weight is taken off when a standard indy (~144) is ground down to the axle.

also why do people switch out the trucks when they hit the axle? i suppose you could still grind the axle, or does it snap instantly and/or make the grinds super sticky?

been trying to peice together a cruiser, wanted the indy turn with less weight :p
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Rubbrick on February 17, 2021, 09:52:07 PM
Quote from: OldCandy on February 17, 2021, 09:24:07 PM
i am curious to know how much weight is taken off when a standard indy (~144) is ground down to the axle.

also why do people switch out the trucks when they hit the axle? i suppose you could still grind the axle, or does it snap instantly and/or make the grinds super sticky?

been trying to peice together a cruiser, wanted the indy turn with less weight :p

No, they don’t snap right away. I have a set of Indy hollows that have both been axled for about 6-7 months (regularly skating 3-4 times a week.) I’m surprised they haven’t cracked, seeing as they are hollows. The grinds aren’t sticky but definitely don’t grind as well as the regular aluminum hangar metal. I actually won an Indy mid gift box from cowtown/Indy for having axled trucks. I think they were expecting me to switch them out right away, but I’m still skating the old set.  People skate them hard, even with cracks in them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lou Strux on February 17, 2021, 09:54:52 PM
That axle grinds hella good!
At least that’s my experience. I try to ride them until they fail apart as a matter of pride, but also because they never grind so well as the do when they’re actually into the axle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on February 18, 2021, 12:20:45 AM
Random question, not sure if this is the best place to ask, but does anyone ride smaller trucks than their deck width? Hearing Reynolds and some other OGs ride like 8.0 trucks on 8.5 decks had me really intrigued for awhile but I never bothered to try.

I heard it makes scooping and flipping tricks easier? Any downsides aside from stability and grinding space? Wanted to see if there are any strong opinions out there before I take apart my deck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 18, 2021, 03:20:53 AM
Quote from: OldCandy on February 17, 2021, 09:24:07 PM
i am curious to know how much weight is taken off when a standard indy (~144) is ground down to the axle.

also why do people switch out the trucks when they hit the axle? i suppose you could still grind the axle, or does it snap instantly and/or make the grinds super sticky?

been trying to peice together a cruiser, wanted the indy turn with less weight :p

Maybe a Ben DG video, his standards were lighter when worn down than his hollow forged or something, but it might only reduce the weight by 20 grams unless you really took a lot off each truck.

I often try to save old trucks worn down to axle and use them on cruisers or even boards that people don't grind on much, so that is a good retirement and they can last indefinitely.

Some people take great pride in grinding them until they break, and as said that can take a long time even after you hit axle, but if they are skated as normal trucks until they are down to axle and at the point where new trucks would be good, that is the time to turn them into cruiser trucks.  Solid axle will last longer than hollow axle when they grind down.


These have been on ebay au for a while (not mine), but I don't need any more trucks.  They definitely seem at the far end of useful life, but the weight loss would be considerable.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Independent-Trucks-144-Hollow/164702931385


(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/4JYAAOSwgOBf-Y8Q/s-l1600.jpg)

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/GWQAAOSw34hf-Y8T/s-l1600.jpg)

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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 18, 2021, 03:33:41 AM
Quote from: FatGuy92 on February 18, 2021, 12:20:45 AM
Random question, not sure if this is the best place to ask, but does anyone ride smaller trucks than their deck width? Hearing Reynolds and some other OGs ride like 8.0 trucks on 8.5 decks had me really intrigued for awhile but I never bothered to try.

I heard it makes scooping and flipping tricks easier? Any downsides aside from stability and grinding space? Wanted to see if there are any strong opinions out there before I take apart my deck.

Lots of people do, some by accident and some on purpose who love the "magic carpet ride".

It definitely changes the feel of the board, but generally a truck that sits fairly evenly with the deck or a bit under works best.  A good way just to feel it out too is take out all the axle washers and that will narrow the wheels on the trucks by a few mm, but I prefer washers on the inside and wheels sitting wide, but still not more than the deck is wide.

Sizing down a lot makes a board very tippy, but I know people like the feel of that, some saying it is better for flips, etc.

What are you on now and what are you thinking of trying?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on February 18, 2021, 01:30:31 PM
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Random question, not sure if this is the best place to ask, but does anyone ride smaller trucks than their deck width? Hearing Reynolds and some other OGs ride like 8.0 trucks on 8.5 decks had me really intrigued for awhile but I never bothered to try.

I heard it makes scooping and flipping tricks easier? Any downsides aside from stability and grinding space? Wanted to see if there are any strong opinions out there before I take apart my deck.
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Lots of people do, some by accident and some on purpose who love the "magic carpet ride".

It definitely changes the feel of the board, but generally a truck that sits fairly evenly with the deck or a bit under works best.  A good way just to feel it out too is take out all the axle washers and that will narrow the wheels on the trucks by a few mm, but I prefer washers on the inside and wheels sitting wide, but still not more than the deck is wide.

Sizing down a lot makes a board very tippy, but I know people like the feel of that, some saying it is better for flips, etc.

What are you on now and what are you thinking of trying?

Thanks for the advice on the washers. I might try that out first.

I have a hockey 8.25 with Indy 144 standards. They feel really nice, but even though I wore them down, the trucks are heavy for me. I was thinking of tossing some Indy 129 titaniums I have on a cruiser on it to see how it would feel. Would the 129s and extra washers be weird you think? I’ve ridden 8.0 trucks on a 8.25 but haven’t gone down like 2 sizes before.

*Edit - for the record, I’m not a tall dude and can skate the 129s completely fine on a smaller deck (they don’t feel too unstable when riding on a 7.75 for example).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 18, 2021, 02:06:13 PM
Those trucks look amazing with all the work put in on them. I would never sell those, though. That's like practicing for something, winning first place, then selling your gold medal. Makes no sense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on February 18, 2021, 02:32:52 PM
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Random question, not sure if this is the best place to ask, but does anyone ride smaller trucks than their deck width? Hearing Reynolds and some other OGs ride like 8.0 trucks on 8.5 decks had me really intrigued for awhile but I never bothered to try.

I heard it makes scooping and flipping tricks easier? Any downsides aside from stability and grinding space? Wanted to see if there are any strong opinions out there before I take apart my deck.
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Lots of people do, some by accident and some on purpose who love the "magic carpet ride".

It definitely changes the feel of the board, but generally a truck that sits fairly evenly with the deck or a bit under works best.  A good way just to feel it out too is take out all the axle washers and that will narrow the wheels on the trucks by a few mm, but I prefer washers on the inside and wheels sitting wide, but still not more than the deck is wide.

Sizing down a lot makes a board very tippy, but I know people like the feel of that, some saying it is better for flips, etc.

What are you on now and what are you thinking of trying?
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Thanks for the advice on the washers. I might try that out first.

I have a hockey 8.25 with Indy 144 standards. They feel really nice, but even though I wore them down, the trucks are heavy for me. I was thinking of tossing some Indy 129 titaniums I have on a cruiser on it to see how it would feel. Would the 129s and extra washers be weird you think? I’ve ridden 8.0 trucks on a 8.25 but haven’t gone down like 2 sizes before.

*Edit - for the record, I’m not a tall dude and can skate the 129s completely fine on a smaller deck (they don’t feel too unstable when riding on a 7.75 for example).

I think the muska did 129s on an 8, and Greco did something more extreme. I’ve done 5.0s on an 8, was fine, used extra washers. Wasn’t helpful tho (I was hoping for some extra scoop, easier 360 flips)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on February 18, 2021, 02:56:45 PM
rode 5.2s (lows) on an 8.5 with three inside washers, cant recommend it. if you really love small trucks and dont want to size up, it may very well work.

if you are accustomed to your trucks being .25 smaller/larger than your deck, its going to feel pretty weird and take time to adjust to. its worth depends on the skater and what you are willing to give up. wheelbite was more frequent, landings and hill bombs felt sketchier, less room to grind. flip tricks felt more compact and easier to throw but it was negligible/bad to me, i struggle with landings if im not fully focused. went up to 5.6s and had a much better time.

if you have the trucks available its worth a shot but definitely dont buy new trucks for something like that. ended up being a waste for me because i dont ride anything less than 8.5, had to sell basically brand new trucks for little return. at least i know better
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 18, 2021, 02:59:55 PM
Quote from: off on February 18, 2021, 02:56:45 PM
rode 5.2s (lows) on an 8.5 with three inside washers, cant recommend it. if you really love small trucks and dont want to size up, it may very well work.

if you are accustomed to your trucks being .25 smaller/larger than your deck, its going to feel pretty weird and take time to adjust to. its worth depends on the skater and what you are willing to give up. wheelbite was more frequent, landings and hill bombs felt sketchier, less room to grind. flip tricks felt more compact and easier to throw but it was negligible/bad to me, i struggle with landings if im not fully focused. went up to 5.6s and had a much better time.

if you have the trucks available its worth a shot but definitely dont buy new trucks for something like that. ended up being a waste for me because i dont ride anything less than 8.5, had to sell basically brand new trucks for little return. at least i know better

Exactly my experience except with 5.2 (not lows) on an 8.25... coming from 5.8 on 8.25/8.38/8.5

I do however have a big 8.8 shaped board that had Thunder 151s on it, axles poked out a bit due to taper, put old venture 5.8s on it and I feel like the skinnier trucks on that made it noticeably better to do kickflips, nollie/sw flips and tres on. Not exactly my go to flatground board though, but there's probably merit to the idea that skinnier trucks have better leverage for flipping.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on February 18, 2021, 03:19:10 PM
Thanks for the replies everyone! I guess general consensus is that the benefits are negligible. I might try it if I get bored, but I think I’m blaming my gear for my lack of ability lol.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 18, 2021, 06:31:17 PM
Quote from: FatGuy92 on February 18, 2021, 03:19:10 PM
Thanks for the replies everyone! I guess general consensus is that the benefits are negligible. I might try it if I get bored, but I think I’m blaming my gear for my lack of ability lol.

You can always just change over the hangers, not needing to take the whole truck off the board, but for some people who have the bushings just right, I would be leaving the kingpin nut as the last thing to touch.

As you said, you have the parts, so if you had time, it can't hurt to try a few variations.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mcidraque on February 18, 2021, 11:47:03 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on February 18, 2021, 02:06:13 PM
Those trucks look amazing with all the work put in on them. I would never sell those, though. That's like practicing for something, winning first place, then selling your gold medal. Makes no sense.

hahaha thank you :'-o
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OldCandy on February 19, 2021, 06:51:17 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on February 18, 2021, 03:20:53 AM
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i am curious to know how much weight is taken off when a standard indy (~144) is ground down to the axle.

also why do people switch out the trucks when they hit the axle? i suppose you could still grind the axle, or does it snap instantly and/or make the grinds super sticky?

been trying to peice together a cruiser, wanted the indy turn with less weight :p
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Maybe a Ben DG video, his standards were lighter when worn down than his hollow forged or something, but it might only reduce the weight by 20 grams unless you really took a lot off each truck.

I often try to save old trucks worn down to axle and use them on cruisers or even boards that people don't grind on much, so that is a good retirement and they can last indefinitely.

Some people take great pride in grinding them until they break, and as said that can take a long time even after you hit axle, but if they are skated as normal trucks until they are down to axle and at the point where new trucks would be good, that is the time to turn them into cruiser trucks.  Solid axle will last longer than hollow axle when they grind down.


These have been on ebay au for a while (not mine), but I don't need any more trucks.  They definitely seem at the far end of useful life, but the weight loss would be considerable.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Independent-Trucks-144-Hollow/164702931385


(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/4JYAAOSwgOBf-Y8Q/s-l1600.jpg)

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/GWQAAOSw34hf-Y8T/s-l1600.jpg)

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/hEgAAOSwoMRf-Y8V/s-l1600.jpg)

woah holy fuck thats so clean! carved by god himself.
thanks to everyone for responding lol i would gnar but im jr member :(
always liked to lean and crunch through grinds sounds like great news :)))
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Eric Dolphy on February 21, 2021, 12:19:39 PM

I ride stage 11 indy 149 Ti forged, with bones medium bushings, with the nut flush, or even a little looser. the bottom bushings never last more than 3-4 months, sometimes less, so I have a bunch of top bushings that are fine, and a lot of the bones kingpin washers that come with them. Has anyone tried running top bushings on both the top and bottom, but adding 2-3 truck washers under the bottom bushing? Any accomplished truck engineers /nerds who can give me some pros/cons of such a setup?
i hope you all forgive me for not reading 329 pages to see if this has already been answered.
Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kneesles on February 21, 2021, 02:38:49 PM
Quote from: TracersOnlyfans on February 21, 2021, 12:19:39 PM

I ride stage 11 indy 149 Ti forged, with bones medium bushings, with the nut flush, or even a little looser. the bottom bushings never last more than 3-4 months, sometimes less, so I have a bunch of top bushings that are fine, and a lot of the bones kingpin washers that come with them. Has anyone tried running top bushings on both the top and bottom, but adding 2-3 truck washers under the bottom bushing? Any accomplished truck engineers /nerds who can give me some pros/cons of such a setup?
i hope you all forgive me for not reading 329 pages to see if this has already been answered.
Thanks in advance
It should ride pretty similar if you get the height to match a bottom bushing using washers. Id suggest trying out bones hard bushings. They are stiff at first but once broken in they are much better and don't blow out. You could even mix it up with a hard bottom and med top to brake in the bottom first so when you put the hard top on it wont feel like a big change. Indy black bushings with the bottom barrel feel very similar to broken in bones hards too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Eric Dolphy on February 23, 2021, 03:01:39 AM
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I ride stage 11 indy 149 Ti forged, with bones medium bushings, with the nut flush, or even a little looser. the bottom bushings never last more than 3-4 months, sometimes less, so I have a bunch of top bushings that are fine, and a lot of the bones kingpin washers that come with them. Has anyone tried running top bushings on both the top and bottom, but adding 2-3 truck washers under the bottom bushing? Any accomplished truck engineers /nerds who can give me some pros/cons of such a setup?
i hope you all forgive me for not reading 329 pages to see if this has already been answered.
Thanks in advance
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It should ride pretty similar if you get the height to match a bottom bushing using washers. Id suggest trying out bones hard bushings. They are stiff at first but once broken in they are much better and don't blow out. You could even mix it up with a hard bottom and med top to brake in the bottom first so when you put the hard top on it wont feel like a big change. Indy black bushings with the bottom barrel feel very similar to broken in bones hards too.
thanks, i set it up with three washers at the bottom against the baseplate, two bones washers and one thicker washer (about 1.8 x the thickness of a bones washer) from a hardware store. I got 20metres down the road and immediately stopped to remove one bones washer from each, it was too tight and didn't carve right. Now it's riding great. The top nut is flush, and it feels a little looser than riding them with the regular bones bushings setup. Somehow feels like it has more pop too, like it's lifted the wheels a little higher and out, lengthening the wheelbase marginally while still feeling as loose as i like it, but hey, that might be all in my head.

TLDR:
Yup, it works great, thanks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on February 23, 2021, 05:17:18 AM
Quote from: Kneesles on February 21, 2021, 02:38:49 PM
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I ride stage 11 indy 149 Ti forged, with bones medium bushings, with the nut flush, or even a little looser. the bottom bushings never last more than 3-4 months, sometimes less, so I have a bunch of top bushings that are fine, and a lot of the bones kingpin washers that come with them. Has anyone tried running top bushings on both the top and bottom, but adding 2-3 truck washers under the bottom bushing? Any accomplished truck engineers /nerds who can give me some pros/cons of such a setup?
i hope you all forgive me for not reading 329 pages to see if this has already been answered.
Thanks in advance
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It should ride pretty similar if you get the height to match a bottom bushing using washers. Id suggest trying out bones hard bushings. They are stiff at first but once broken in they are much better and don't blow out. You could even mix it up with a hard bottom and med top to brake in the bottom first so when you put the hard top on it wont feel like a big change. Indy black bushings with the bottom barrel feel very similar to broken in bones hards too.
Bones hards are the way to go. I've been on here telling people that but they don't listen.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 24, 2021, 07:24:54 AM
Old mate taking things to the next level once more.

How about that setup in the video he made...

Amazing!


https://www.instagram.com/p/CLmEeB_lbgG/

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on February 24, 2021, 12:47:04 PM
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Great job on the finish, those are SAF! I'm running the Bones meds top and bottom, same overall effect as the tensor top, no bottom washer and Ti nuts as well on my Maglights; that washer tho...looks sick...ebay seller has it listed at 6.2g, stock cup washer is 4/5g ...@$12 a washer, it's adding weight? I just use the bones washer on top (2g)..thunder are 4g each as well tho, indy's are, like everything else they make, heavier as well (but if I had t bet, more durable).
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Thanks Xen! So I took one off and it measured in at just a hair above 3g. So they are MARGINALLY lighter, haha. Luckily I got the top washer cheaper than it is now. But also I figured, might as well go that extra step, complete the light weight Titanium mania. Haha

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50924540977_f0f5ed1f4b.jpg)

Also, for that inverted kingpin loving crowd, I found a Ti bolt from an auto parts resource that is like a flat top Bones washer as the head of the bolt. It's perfect kingpin size, length, pitch, etc. Here it is mocked up with a Bones bushing (it's my bottom bushing, but it gets the point across...) Not modding these trucks to use this, but I will be putting them in some Indy's after I buy a pair of the new inverted baseplates when those are on the market.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50924540952_65edd3ae6f_c.jpg)
that kingpin is wild
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on February 24, 2021, 01:13:54 PM
I need to know about that kingpin! Specs, name, is it Allen key? Weight compared to a Krux hollow DLK? &#128558;
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on February 24, 2021, 01:26:51 PM
I love that the inverted Ace kingpin guy appears to have built an entire apparatus for kingpin removal. I'd place that thing on my vise and whack it with a dead blow, but I appreciate the commitment

But anyway, I also need details on that titanium kingpin. Part number, plz
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on February 24, 2021, 06:12:58 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on February 24, 2021, 07:24:54 AM
Old mate taking things to the next level once more.

How about that setup in the video he made...

Amazing!


https://www.instagram.com/p/CLmEeB_lbgG/

also im impressed with how easy it popped out. i've never had the luck of and easy kingpin removal
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 24, 2021, 10:34:54 PM
Ti hardware co. isn't the worst idea.....or just curate all the better versions....I think they are out there....

Let us know the specs because the new Indy set up is trash....the new thunder will be trash.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 25, 2021, 07:22:27 AM
Eventually when you grind the hanger down enough, you'll start touching that inverted kingpin, and it being Ti, it will grind funky on certain surfaces based on what people have said about that Theeve TiH hanger.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 25, 2021, 11:38:38 PM
There's a ton of clearance with that.....you'll hit the axel before you hit the head....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on February 26, 2021, 06:43:29 AM
anyone else not get great grooves on their truck? maybe i swap them out too much, maybe its cause i do too many slash grinds...maybe just shit technique, but it seems like i barely get grooves going, its like the whole truck wears almost evenly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on February 26, 2021, 10:09:04 AM
Quote from: sketchyrider on February 26, 2021, 06:43:29 AM
anyone else not get great grooves on their truck? maybe i swap them out too much, maybe its cause i do too many slash grinds...maybe just shit technique, but it seems like i barely get grooves going, its like the whole truck wears almost evenly.

You gotta really grind them in for deep grooves. Depends on what you're skating too. Some trucks I had but only skated at a skatepark with rounded angle iron had barely anything on them compared to a set I did mainly slappy grinds with on crunchy curbs
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on February 26, 2021, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: Paperclip20 on February 26, 2021, 10:09:04 AM
Depends on what you're skating too. Some trucks I had but only skated at a skatepark with rounded angle iron had barely anything on them compared to a set I did mainly slappy grinds with on crunchy curbs
Yeah, one day skating concrete and my 139s are ground down further than the 149s that have been used for over a year at just the park
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on February 26, 2021, 11:57:58 AM
Got some riptides set up in my Aces after having really good experiences running them in Thunders - even got the Ace-specific ones, but I feel like it's made my board more herky-jerky than it was before - almost like the metal truck components won't sit right on the bushings.

 I'm running stock bushings and don't know if changing those out would do anything, but just curious if anyone else has had this experience before.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on February 26, 2021, 11:59:18 AM
Also, as a side note, is it generally accepted that lighter people should run softer bushings? I'm 5'9" and weigh about 140 at my max
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on February 26, 2021, 12:36:48 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on February 26, 2021, 11:57:58 AM
Got some riptides set up in my Aces after having really good experiences running them in Thunders - even got the Ace-specific ones, but I feel like it's made my board more herky-jerky than it was before - almost like the metal truck components won't sit right on the bushings.

 I'm running stock bushings and don't know if changing those out would do anything, but just curious if anyone else has had this experience before.

I think this comes down to Ace's QC. I've had sets where Riptides fit perfectly. Then took the same broken-in Riptides and used them for a different set of Ace's, and the pivot nub on the hanger will NOT stay in there and the geometry is all messed up after I squish everything down and secure the kingpin nut.

I also just set up some 22's last night and noticed inside the pivot cavity when i took the cups out, there were a ton of holes from bubbles in the aluminum or something. Same on another set of brand new 11's that I got for my nephew's first board. The pivot mold in Ace baseplates seems to have taken a bad turn. I notice a lot of photos of Ace's on the web of the latest batches, along with my 11's and 22's, the stock pivot cups and riptides sit cockeyed in the baseplate because the actual mold itself seems altered or something. Might not have any effect on the ride but it just screams Chi-nah
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hobochimp on February 26, 2021, 01:12:43 PM
Been having an all out gear madness personal crisis and I went back to my old ways of running indy 159 hollows on an 8.5. Had the best session I have had in a long time yesterday on that setup. Also I threw in ace low bushings with the washers that came with them and they are perfect. I am a full ace bushing convert now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 26, 2021, 09:16:40 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on February 26, 2021, 11:59:18 AM
Also, as a side note, is it generally accepted that lighter people should run softer bushings? I'm 5'9" and weigh about 140 at my max

A lighter body will find it much harder to put weight into turning trucks than a heavier body, who might often put too much turn (and wheelbite) on the same duro bushings, most being about 90A duro in the stock bushings, but can go down as far as Indy super soft 78 or up as high as 99 or even 100 super hard kegs.

I know some super big dudes who ride the softest bushings and like it that way, but that is the exception as most bigger guys ride harder bushings and smaller dudes ride softer bushings or struggle to turn on stock bushings.

I have helped a lot of younger and lighter bodies with both these options equally, but if you cannot turn with normal bushings, you can either cut the tops down on the ones you currently have, or just buy softer bushings to replace what you currently have.

Lots of choices, maybe too many.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on February 27, 2021, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on February 26, 2021, 11:59:18 AM
Also, as a side note, is it generally accepted that lighter people should run softer bushings? I'm 5'9" and weigh about 140 at my max

This is what I did for a long time. I found that Ace bushings were perfect as-is, so I stopped futzing once I made the switch. But yeah, soft white Indy bushings made the trucks much more enjoyable for me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 28, 2021, 02:19:38 AM
Does anyone run a tighter front truck? I know a lot of people do the tighter at the back, looser at the front. I used to do this too but kinda stopped since I skate a lot of switch/fakie so I try have it exactly the same.

I think I could use a bit more stability when setting up for certain switch and nollie tricks, but besides that I do like my current looseness. Tighter at the front and looser at the back sounds weird but maybe it could work? Anyone ever done this before?

edit: did this, definitely helps a little bit, but feels really weird. But doesn't affect performance or anything.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on February 28, 2021, 04:54:23 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on February 28, 2021, 02:19:38 AM
Does anyone run a tighter front truck? I know a lot of people do the tighter at the back, looser at the front. I used to do this too but kinda stopped since I skate a lot of switch/fakie so I try have it exactly the same.

I think I could use a bit more stability when setting up for certain switch and nollie tricks, but besides that I do like my current looseness. Tighter at the front and looser at the back sounds weird but maybe it could work? Anyone ever done this before?
When I first started skatboarding my friend's brother who I really looked up to and was really good told me to ride my trucks like that because it made switch easier. So I did that for years until I quit and now that I've been skatboarding again for a couple years I've done the looser front tighter back. I ride goofy. I'm heavier on my left foot when skating switch/fakie so I think it makes more since to have a tighter back truck for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on February 28, 2021, 09:21:03 AM
(https://scontent.flas1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/155786274_1758572564311242_3450644876427243926_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=3&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=POCtSzI9-24AX_seupp&_nc_ht=scontent.flas1-2.fna&tp=14&oh=1a3763abe1b359d9cfb78a860d7b931b&oe=60628C95)
Indy aftermarket barrel bottom bushing, bones top bushing; best combo ever.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on February 28, 2021, 11:31:25 AM
The last year of this thread is basically people's experiments getting Ventures to turn well and problems with Ace QC
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sk8_cat on February 28, 2021, 01:17:23 PM
I need some desperate help with my thunder trucks guys. I switched from riding indys about a year ago and I've been having a lot of issues with the bushings.. in general I like my trucks on the tighter side so I switched stock for aftermarket thunders 94a 95a(rebuild kit) and they keep on blowing out within the first month right after they get that broken in feeling. I tried also getting some of the DLX supercush bushings which are supposedly a fit for thunders but they didn't seem to fit at all.. if anything they were fatter than an indy bushing so I didn't even try riding those. So I guess I just wanted to ask if anyone knows of any other alternatives like bones bushings and how well they ride. I am also planning to get some of the 97 and 100a thunder bushings and see if I have any better luck with the blowouts.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on February 28, 2021, 04:09:36 PM
Weird, I wish I could help but I have had nothing but fantastic luck with Thunder bushings in general be it stock or rebuild.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 28, 2021, 04:15:22 PM
Quote from: sk8_cat on February 28, 2021, 01:17:23 PM
I need some desperate help with my thunder trucks guys. I switched from riding indys about a year ago and I've been having a lot of issues with the bushings.. in general I like my trucks on the tighter side so I switched stock for aftermarket thunders 94a 95a(rebuild kit) and they keep on blowing out within the first month right after they get that broken in feeling. I tried also getting some of the DLX supercush bushings which are supposedly a fit for thunders but they didn't seem to fit at all.. if anything they were fatter than an indy bushing so I didn't even try riding those. So I guess I just wanted to ask if anyone knows of any other alternatives like bones bushings and how well they ride. I am also planning to get some of the 97 and 100a thunder bushings and see if I have any better luck with the blowouts.

Are you using the correct size metal washers for the bushings?

Stock thunders are conical shape and have a smaller bottom washer, as do the rebuild kit.

Super cush are the cylinder shape and don't come with metal washers so you cannot use the Thunder washers for those - as you said they will not work - but if you still have the Indy washers you can put them in and they will work fine, but might not feel comfortable for how you skate.

In blowing out, do you mean they split and come apart?  Thunder bushings do this more than some other brands, but it is also down to how tight you have them and how much pressure you are putting on them, eg bushings that are tightened down too much or have too much pressure put on them will be a lot more likely to split and break.

Any of the Indy aftermarket kits have all bushings and metal washers included, and don't really split or come apart the way other brands do, so you could try the black cylinder (not conical) 94s and see if that makes any difference, or at least re try the super cush with those washers.

Lastly, you could try the Bones hard bushings, either with or without washers, but people I know who ride them with all the metal washers have fewer issues with them blowing out than to ride them without washers, and these guys are the sort of dudes to blow out stuff and break stuff more than others.  They might take a minute to wear in but they soften up well and with washers, it keeps all the parts together, contrary to the depictions on the Bones "How to" use their bushings or what others say on here.

Just a few options anyway.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fooj on February 28, 2021, 06:15:46 PM
Quote from: sk8_cat on February 28, 2021, 01:17:23 PM
I need some desperate help with my thunder trucks guys. I switched from riding indys about a year ago and I've been having a lot of issues with the bushings.. in general I like my trucks on the tighter side so I switched stock for aftermarket thunders 94a 95a(rebuild kit) and they keep on blowing out within the first month right after they get that broken in feeling. I tried also getting some of the DLX supercush bushings which are supposedly a fit for thunders but they didn't seem to fit at all.. if anything they were fatter than an indy bushing so I didn't even try riding those. So I guess I just wanted to ask if anyone knows of any other alternatives like bones bushings and how well they ride. I am also planning to get some of the 97 and 100a thunder bushings and see if I have any better luck with the blowouts.
Bones hards and call it a day. I had the same issues with the stock thunder bushings blowing out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fat Tire on February 28, 2021, 08:10:41 PM
Quote from: Fooj on February 28, 2021, 06:15:46 PM
Quote from: sk8_cat on February 28, 2021, 01:17:23 PM
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I need some desperate help with my thunder trucks guys. I switched from riding indys about a year ago and I've been having a lot of issues with the bushings.. in general I like my trucks on the tighter side so I switched stock for aftermarket thunders 94a 95a(rebuild kit) and they keep on blowing out within the first month right after they get that broken in feeling. I tried also getting some of the DLX supercush bushings which are supposedly a fit for thunders but they didn't seem to fit at all.. if anything they were fatter than an indy bushing so I didn't even try riding those. So I guess I just wanted to ask if anyone knows of any other alternatives like bones bushings and how well they ride. I am also planning to get some of the 97 and 100a thunder bushings and see if I have any better luck with the blowouts.
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Bones hards and call it a day. I had the same issues with the stock thunder bushings blowing out

This or Indy hards for more stability, reduced turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Niceblackman on February 28, 2021, 08:26:05 PM
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Tru-Lite-Titanium-Seat-Bolt-3-8-24-Thread-x-2-Inch,34338.html

There’s a link to that titanium bolt that could be used as an inverted kingpin... I may try it out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CannerSpaghetti on February 28, 2021, 09:59:44 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on February 28, 2021, 02:19:38 AM
Does anyone run a tighter front truck? I know a lot of people do the tighter at the back, looser at the front. I used to do this too but kinda stopped since I skate a lot of switch/fakie so I try have it exactly the same.

I think I could use a bit more stability when setting up for certain switch and nollie tricks, but besides that I do like my current looseness. Tighter at the front and looser at the back sounds weird but maybe it could work? Anyone ever done this before?

edit: did this, definitely helps a little bit, but feels really weird. But doesn't affect performance or anything.

I run my trucks like this. Albeit the front is just tighter enough so that it’s noticeable, but barely. I’ve always done it like this so I don’t know much different, but compared to my friends boards with looser front/equal trucks, my board feels more stable at high speeds and setting up for switch feels more comfy and stable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 28, 2021, 10:02:38 PM
Quote from: CannerSpaghetti on February 28, 2021, 09:59:44 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on February 28, 2021, 02:19:38 AM
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Does anyone run a tighter front truck? I know a lot of people do the tighter at the back, looser at the front. I used to do this too but kinda stopped since I skate a lot of switch/fakie so I try have it exactly the same.

I think I could use a bit more stability when setting up for certain switch and nollie tricks, but besides that I do like my current looseness. Tighter at the front and looser at the back sounds weird but maybe it could work? Anyone ever done this before?

edit: did this, definitely helps a little bit, but feels really weird. But doesn't affect performance or anything.
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I run my trucks like this. Albeit the front is just tighter enough so that it’s noticeable, but barely. I’ve always done it like this so I don’t know much different, but compared to my friends boards with looser front/equal trucks, my board feels more stable at high speeds and setting up for switch feels more comfy and stable.

Yup. There's just a few switch/nollie tricks that I need a little help with setting up for. Will probably have it just ever so slightly tighter, probably cranked it down a bit much today it definitely felt a bit unnatural.

Definitely made me realise that the tighter back/looser front conventional wisdom isn't ideal for everyone.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CannerSpaghetti on February 28, 2021, 10:05:47 PM
I’d been having some issues with my stock Indy bushings feeling less responsive lately, so I dug out some old bones softs and messed with some different configurations. I settled on a bones soft top and an Indy bottom, and I think this was my biggest breakthrough in my setup in a minute. If you like medium tightness trucks but want quicker responsiveness I would absolutely try this out. My trucks are Indy Forged Hollows 149 on an 8.5 deck if that matters to someone.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on February 28, 2021, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: CannerSpaghetti on February 28, 2021, 10:05:47 PM
I’d been having some issues with my stock Indy bushings feeling less responsive lately, so I dug out some old bones softs and messed with some different configurations. I settled on a bones soft top and an Indy bottom, and I think this was my biggest breakthrough in my setup in a minute. If you like medium tightness trucks but want quicker responsiveness I would absolutely try this out. My trucks are Indy Forged Hollows 149 on an 8.5 deck if that matters to someone.


Bespoke bushings combo like telling your coworkers your dreams
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 28, 2021, 11:02:50 PM
Quote from: Niceblackman on February 28, 2021, 08:26:05 PM
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Tru-Lite-Titanium-Seat-Bolt-3-8-24-Thread-x-2-Inch,34338.html

There’s a link to that titanium bolt that could be used as an inverted kingpin... I may try it out.

Thanks!  Maybe when they drop TI's or hollows I'll try em....a thunder team with those would be good...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mbam003 on March 01, 2021, 10:54:56 PM
Can anyone tell if Jaakko Ojanen is riding Indy 149s from the proportions?

(https://i.imgur.com/bz6Esu6.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0XUBAPE.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 01, 2021, 11:07:36 PM
Quote from: mbam003 on March 01, 2021, 10:54:56 PM
Can anyone tell if these are Indy 149s from the proportions?



Where did I just see that recently?  He did a wallie up or something and back 360 kickflip off.


They could be 149s with washers on the inside, but look more like 159s with minimal washers and fat wheels.


Usually if you can freeze on the underside of the board, 149s have only four hole baseplates, but 159+ in standard have six holes, so the two extra at the front.  Might be a long shot, but I have seen things like that before, eg Evan Smith Indy setup video, where he has one 149 and one 159... whatever, hey.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlMKRqmzLj0
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mbam003 on March 01, 2021, 11:37:03 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 01, 2021, 11:07:36 PM
Quote from: mbam003 on March 01, 2021, 10:54:56 PM
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Can anyone tell if these are Indy 149s from the proportions?

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Where did I just see that recently?  He did a wallie up or something and back 360 kickflip off.


They could be 149s with washers on the inside, but look more like 159s with minimal washers and fat wheels.


Usually if you can freeze on the underside of the board, 149s have only four hole baseplates, but 159+ in standard have six holes, so the two extra at the front.  Might be a long shot, but I have seen things like that before, eg Evan Smith Indy setup video, where he has one 149 and one 159... whatever, hey.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlMKRqmzLj0

That clip is on his Instagram and that's what he did yeah, crazy. I was actually thinking whether those could be the 139's given how agile he was in that clip :-[ But it looks like that's out of the question nowadays.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mbam003 on March 02, 2021, 02:13:47 AM
Jaakko responded to me, he's riding 149s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 02, 2021, 02:33:06 AM
Quote from: mbam003 on March 02, 2021, 02:13:47 AM
Jaakko responded to me, he's riding 149s.

Sweet!

Most normal (nice) people reply more to questions about their board setups than other weird questions, but I think it would get pretty crazy being asked every second post all the same questions, as I have seen on some comments of some pro riders, including some on here too, eg "What pants are those tho???" and "what place is this?" etc.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CLfQbgtFG8l/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mbam003 on March 02, 2021, 05:25:39 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 02, 2021, 02:33:06 AM
Quote from: mbam003 on March 02, 2021, 02:13:47 AM
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Jaakko responded to me, he's riding 149s.
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Sweet!

Most normal (nice) people reply more to questions about their board setups than other weird questions, but I think it would get pretty crazy being asked every second post all the same questions, as I have seen on some comments of some pro riders, including some on here too, eg "What pants are those tho???" and "what place is this?" etc.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CLfQbgtFG8l/

That's why skaters should do more stuff like My Indys :) He has some amazing dexterity with those big trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: devourthehours on March 02, 2021, 08:44:37 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on February 28, 2021, 11:31:25 AM
The last year of this thread is basically people's experiments getting Ventures to turn well and problems with Ace QC

I feel seen. I had Ace 44s which had a bent axle and switched it up for some Venture 5.8 V-Lights. Both are stock and so far, I'm really liking the Ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fooj on March 05, 2021, 10:43:04 PM
the current set up:
5.6 Cast Highs
Bones Hards
Top washer on bottom and Bones washer on top
(https://i.imgur.com/ABVI21x.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FUBAR on March 06, 2021, 06:08:43 AM
Much thanks to everyone...I put med bones in my mag lights and it is a sick combo, just like you said it would be. There was zero break-in time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 07, 2021, 07:25:03 AM

Skateboards and angle grinders might not seem like a good combination, but it is the most common power tool I use for fixing and cleaning up old parts, mainly wheels and in this case, the kingpins on moderately grinded down Indy trucks.
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These came to me from someone who was starting to have issues with the kingpin catching on grinds and with the trucks worn down to the point where there was minimal clearance, I took a few mm off the kingpins and now they grind nicely again.
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I can still get the kingpin nut off and back on easily enough, but as with other trucks I have done this to in the past, I get the bushings set up to where I like them, low heads of course so there is much more clearance, and then grind down the kingpin to just on the nut and it is good to go.
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I forgot to take pics of the trucks before taking the grinder to them, but compared to standard Stage XI Independent trucks that have a lot of clearance when new, they look more like the older stages, or some other truck brands where the kingpin is not even one single mm under the hanger from new. Now there is about 5 mm or so clearance, which is plenty.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CMGt_osFWe0/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on March 07, 2021, 02:40:33 PM
not sure if anyone cares, but i'm starting to think lightweight trucks are easier when stomping the tail down, but leveling out the ollie with your front foot takes more effort.

i first noticed it with some old theeve ti-axes, felt like my kickflips needed a karate kick compared to some standard indys. wasn't sure if it was a fluke.

then i set up a deck with some hollow 159s on a whim the other day, and it felt like my ollies stuck to my back foot nice. with 159 titaniums, i do a lot of accidental ollie south kinda deals.

would love to hear anyone else's thoughts on this, i feel the madness brewing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sammyz on March 08, 2021, 04:29:22 PM
So, I’ve read on this thread that forged hollow Indy extends wheelbase to same as Thunder levels, and it’s a lower than standard Indy…but does anyone know if that is to do with the hanger design or is it the baseplate?

Asking because I have forged hollow 149’s and a standard hollow 159’s…if I switch baseplates will the 149 go to standard indy wheelbase? I’m trying to avoid buying another set of trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 08, 2021, 04:41:50 PM
Quote from: sammyz on March 08, 2021, 04:29:22 PM
So, I’ve read on this thread that forged hollow Indy extends wheelbase to same as Thunder levels, and it’s a lower than standard Indy…but does anyone know if that is to do with the hanger design or is it the baseplate?

Asking because I have forged hollow 149’s and a standard hollow 159’s…if I switch baseplates will the 149 go to standard indy wheelbase? I’m trying to avoid buying another set of trucks

They both fit the other, so change them out and see.  I think the angle on the forged baseplate was slightly different, which accounted for the ever so slight (not even 2mm) difference in wheelbase, and 1.5mm difference in height.

Also when I was messing round with the bushings, especially the bottom bushing, this changes the angle of the trucks turning and the wheelbase more so than the standard / forged baseplate, eg having a lower bottom bushing (shorter wheelbase) or a taller one (longer wheelbase) but the difference all up was minimal.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sammyz on March 08, 2021, 05:09:15 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 08, 2021, 04:41:50 PM
Quote from: sammyz on March 08, 2021, 04:29:22 PM
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So, I’ve read on this thread that forged hollow Indy extends wheelbase to same as Thunder levels, and it’s a lower than standard Indy…but does anyone know if that is to do with the hanger design or is it the baseplate?

Asking because I have forged hollow 149’s and a standard hollow 159’s…if I switch baseplates will the 149 go to standard indy wheelbase? I’m trying to avoid buying another set of trucks
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They both fit the other, so change them out and see.  I think the angle on the forged baseplate was slightly different, which accounted for the ever so slight (not even 2mm) difference in wheelbase, and 1.5mm difference in height.

Also when I was messing round with the bushings, especially the bottom bushing, this changes the angle of the trucks turning and the wheelbase more so than the standard / forged baseplate, eg having a lower bottom bushing (shorter wheelbase) or a taller one (longer wheelbase) but the difference all up was minimal.

makes sense...so maybe I put in two top bushings into the forged hollow and that will reduce WB and height...could be interesting results
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 10, 2021, 11:56:45 AM
Anyone with inverted kingpin experience know if JB Weld puddy is the only stuff that works? Or is there any type of glue that you can just squirt all around the nut and it works the same? Like Gorilla Glue or something like that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on March 10, 2021, 12:24:29 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 10, 2021, 11:56:45 AM
Anyone with inverted kingpin experience know if JB Weld puddy is the only stuff that works? Or is there any type of glue that you can just squirt all around the nut and it works the same? Like Gorilla Glue or something like that.

I wouldn't use anything else. Gorilla Glue is just super glue with some urethane compound added to it for flexibility, but I wouldn't trust that shit to hold a teapot together let alone a skate truck. Other people super glue their kingpin nut on so.... I guess it depends on how much risk you're willing to take. Once CA glue cracks it's dust.

JB weld is high temp epoxy, so you could theoretically use another brand of high temp, 2-part epoxy, but you wouldn't be saving cash or anything. Is it an availability thing?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 10, 2021, 01:11:54 PM
Quote from: palelight on March 10, 2021, 12:24:29 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 10, 2021, 11:56:45 AM
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Anyone with inverted kingpin experience know if JB Weld puddy is the only stuff that works? Or is there any type of glue that you can just squirt all around the nut and it works the same? Like Gorilla Glue or something like that.
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I wouldn't use anything else. Gorilla Glue is just super glue with some urethane compound added to it for flexibility, but I wouldn't trust that shit to hold a teapot together let alone a skate truck. Other people super glue their kingpin nut on so.... I guess it depends on how much risk you're willing to take. Once CA glue cracks it's dust.

JB weld is high temp epoxy, so you could theoretically use another brand of high temp, 2-part epoxy, but you wouldn't be saving cash or anything. Is it an availability thing?

JB Weld > any super glue. That said, I've had JB weld crack freeing up the kingpin nut.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 10, 2021, 01:48:07 PM
Thanks for the info fellas. I have some Ace 44's that are close to axle that are really catching on my kingpin, so I thought about putting in a Krux downlow. I've always been apprehensive with the JB Weld because when it comes to even simple DIY stuff like that I always screw shit up. So I figured if I could just squirt a bunch of glue around it and be done, that would be stupid-proof for someone like me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on March 10, 2021, 02:11:24 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 10, 2021, 01:48:07 PM
Thanks for the info fellas. I have some Ace 44's that are close to axle that are really catching on my kingpin, so I thought about putting in a Krux downlow. I've always been apprehensive with the JB Weld because when it comes to even simple DIY stuff like that I always screw shit up. So I figured if I could just squirt a bunch of glue around it and be done, that would be stupid-proof for someone like me.

Understood. JB weld is about one step above idiot-proof. Could always practice first, JB weld a spare nut to a 2x4 or something, get a feel for the process, and the set time and all that.

And Xen's right, JB Weld can still fail, but I've used it to (temporarily) fix a cracked head gasket on an old truck, so it's pretty tough. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 10, 2021, 04:49:19 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 10, 2021, 01:48:07 PM
Thanks for the info fellas. I have some Ace 44's that are close to axle that are really catching on my kingpin, so I thought about putting in a Krux downlow. I've always been apprehensive with the JB Weld because when it comes to even simple DIY stuff like that I always screw shit up. So I figured if I could just squirt a bunch of glue around it and be done, that would be stupid-proof for someone like me.

Not trying to say "I know best" but another option is angle grind the kingpin head down some, as per my post in the previous page.  If the nut sits too high to be able to do this, I understand, but I also cut down the top bushings of both trucks (or use the low heads to start with) which gives the same feeling turn on the truck with the nut down 2 to 3 mm, which clears up the kingpin issue for the life of the trucks.  Axle height is about 3 mm lower than the top of the kingpin on some trucks I just use on cruiser boards that have been grinded right down to axle showing and this has meant that even when they are still skated normally, or grind occasionally, they don't hit kingpin.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3517806#msg3517806

I follow a guy on Instagram that has always messed with his Ace trucks putting in the inverted kingpin - posted a few in the Ace thread, so you could check him out and hit him up for anything - rad dude, really.

https://www.instagram.com/pretty_rad/

This post in particular, shows the close up of it


https://www.instagram.com/p/B__TYkzFm38/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on March 10, 2021, 05:41:38 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 10, 2021, 04:49:19 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 10, 2021, 01:48:07 PM
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Thanks for the info fellas. I have some Ace 44's that are close to axle that are really catching on my kingpin, so I thought about putting in a Krux downlow. I've always been apprehensive with the JB Weld because when it comes to even simple DIY stuff like that I always screw shit up. So I figured if I could just squirt a bunch of glue around it and be done, that would be stupid-proof for someone like me.
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Not trying to say "I know best" but another option is angle grind the kingpin head down some, as per my post in the previous page.  If the nut sits too high to be able to do this, I understand, but I also cut down the top bushings of both trucks (or use the low heads to start with) which gives the same feeling turn on the truck with the nut down 2 to 3 mm, which clears up the kingpin issue for the life of the trucks.  Axle height is about 3 mm lower than the top of the kingpin on some trucks I just use on cruiser boards that have been grinded right down to axle showing and this has meant that even when they are still skated normally, or grind occasionally, they don't hit kingpin.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3517806#msg3517806

I follow a guy on Instagram that has always messed with his Ace trucks putting in the inverted kingpin - posted a few in the Ace thread, so you could check him out and hit him up for anything - rad dude, really.


This post in particular, shows the close up of it



Solid option. One I'd go with over fucking with JB weld and knocking out kingpins. That said, that dude's JB Weld game is on point.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on March 10, 2021, 07:03:59 PM
Quote from: sketchyrider on March 07, 2021, 02:40:33 PM
not sure if anyone cares, but i'm starting to think lightweight trucks are easier when stomping the tail down, but leveling out the ollie with your front foot takes more effort.

i first noticed it with some old theeve ti-axes, felt like my kickflips needed a karate kick compared to some standard indys. wasn't sure if it was a fluke.

then i set up a deck with some hollow 159s on a whim the other day, and it felt like my ollies stuck to my back foot nice. with 159 titaniums, i do a lot of accidental ollie south kinda deals.

would love to hear anyone else's thoughts on this, i feel the madness brewing.
i do find that with lighter trucks its easier to be lighter on my feet since its less effort to get the board up. im currently using them on heavier boards, a pennswood 8.5 and a bbs 9.125 and it feels balanced overall with the weight in the deck.

having issues with my kickflips on venture hollows, heelflips are better than ever though (more of a kicking motion that my normal "ankle flick" kf). might be some credibility to that front foot theory but im not changing trucks again, rather adjust and focus on my front foot control.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on March 10, 2021, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 10, 2021, 01:48:07 PM
Thanks for the info fellas. I have some Ace 44's that are close to axle that are really catching on my kingpin, so I thought about putting in a Krux downlow. I've always been apprehensive with the JB Weld because when it comes to even simple DIY stuff like that I always screw shit up. So I figured if I could just squirt a bunch of glue around it and be done, that would be stupid-proof for someone like me.
JB Weld comes in “SteelStik” form that you knead into a play doh sort of consistency that may be a little easier to work with. There’s also epoxy that comes in kind of a syringe with mixing applicator nozzles that might work well. I used regular ol’ jb weld on an old set of Ace base plates and seem to recall the trick is to figure out how to set them so the kingpin is vertical and the schmoo will sort of self level.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 10, 2021, 09:36:47 PM
Quote from: beandemon on March 10, 2021, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 10, 2021, 01:48:07 PM
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Thanks for the info fellas. I have some Ace 44's that are close to axle that are really catching on my kingpin, so I thought about putting in a Krux downlow. I've always been apprehensive with the JB Weld because when it comes to even simple DIY stuff like that I always screw shit up. So I figured if I could just squirt a bunch of glue around it and be done, that would be stupid-proof for someone like me.
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JB Weld comes in “SteelStik” form that you knead into a play doh sort of consistency that may be a little easier to work with. There’s also epoxy that comes in kind of a syringe with mixing applicator nozzles that might work well. I used regular ol’ jb weld on an old set of Ace base plates and seem to recall the trick is to figure out how to set them so the kingpin is vertical and the schmoo will sort of self level.

I would imagine that old mate as per pics above sets up his trucks pretty much how he would ride them and fix them to something upside down, then put whatever it is in there to set.  By having the truck kingpin set up and sorted first, it should be on the right angle at the right height, etc.

In case anyone asks too, just sit something like a thin piece of metal in the cavity to hold the nut (or even a socket if it will fit) and tighten as per normal from the top.

Had to do this on some old trucks where the old kingpin had caused the space to need something bracing it, which worked well on a new hex head kingpin I replaced it with.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 10, 2021, 11:28:04 PM
I ride my trucks pretty 'medium' so I guess the number of threads keeps the nut pretty tight.  I've had the nut fall off a couple times but for the most part it stays in place with no glue. 

Definitely worth kicking down and trying it.  Especially because I worry they will d/c the kingpins....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vinz on March 11, 2021, 12:04:05 PM
I just got my first pair of bones bushings how should I set them up on my indys? Should I put the included top washer or my indy washers? I want them to last

edit: I know this question was probably asked about 9999 times but I am too lazy to find them :')
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 11, 2021, 12:34:25 PM
The flat top Bones washer will still protect the plastic part of the bushing but offer a deeper turn. The cupped stock Indy washer will limit the turn and also possibly dig into the hanger depending on how loose you ride.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 11, 2021, 01:01:52 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 10, 2021, 11:56:45 AM
Anyone with inverted kingpin experience know if JB Weld puddy is the only stuff that works? Or is there any type of glue that you can just squirt all around the nut and it works the same? Like Gorilla Glue or something like that.

I am going to echo the other statements here and say that you must absolutely use a two-part epoxy like JB Weld. Anything else is going to fall apart immediately, unless you're talking about some kind of crazy aircraft grade epoxy that you need FAA permits to access. FWIW, I have inverted the kingpins in my Ace and used JB Weld. Worked great
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fooj on March 11, 2021, 01:38:22 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 11, 2021, 12:34:25 PM
The flat top Bones washer will still protect the plastic part of the bushing but offer a deeper turn. The cupped stock Indy washer will limit the turn and also possibly dig into the hanger depending on how loose you ride.

Try the top indy washer on the bottom, and use the black bones washer on top. Its a nice combo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Rubbrick on March 11, 2021, 01:44:35 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on March 11, 2021, 01:01:52 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 10, 2021, 11:56:45 AM
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Anyone with inverted kingpin experience know if JB Weld puddy is the only stuff that works? Or is there any type of glue that you can just squirt all around the nut and it works the same? Like Gorilla Glue or something like that.
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I am going to echo the other statements here and say that you must absolutely use a two-part epoxy like JB Weld. Anything else is going to fall apart immediately, unless you're talking about some kind of crazy aircraft grade epoxy that you need FAA permits to access. FWIW, I have inverted the kingpins in my Ace and used JB Weld. Worked great

I think you’re over-exaggerating a bit. My current set of Indy’s w/ DLK’s I used regular super glue to hold the nut in place, then filled the sides up to the top with gel super glue. It’s been holding for a year with no issues or coming loose. I’m sure JB weld would have been ideal, but the super glue gel has been working for me. I actually got that tip to use the super glue gel from a post on here, so others have successfully used it, too. No need for airplane glue that you need permits for. All it needs to do is hold a nut in place enough to tighten your trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vinz on March 11, 2021, 03:04:55 PM
Quote from: Fooj on March 11, 2021, 01:38:22 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 11, 2021, 12:34:25 PM
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The flat top Bones washer will still protect the plastic part of the bushing but offer a deeper turn. The cupped stock Indy washer will limit the turn and also possibly dig into the hanger depending on how loose you ride.
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Try the top indy washer on the bottom, and use the black bones washer on top. Its a nice combo
alright thanks brother
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 12, 2021, 07:26:01 AM
A washer underneath the bottom Bones bushings in Indy's will throw off the geometry I'm pretty sure. Only use a top washer for the top bushing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on March 12, 2021, 07:58:56 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 12, 2021, 07:26:01 AM
A washer underneath the bottom Bones bushings in Indy's will throw off the geometry I'm pretty sure. Only use a top washer for the top bushing.

I think this is the way. I carefully measured some bones bushings next to indys and the measurements lined up perfectly when the bones had just the top washer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on March 12, 2021, 08:47:41 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on February 28, 2021, 02:19:38 AM
Does anyone run a tighter front truck? I know a lot of people do the tighter at the back, looser at the front. I used to do this too but kinda stopped since I skate a lot of switch/fakie so I try have it exactly the same.

I think I could use a bit more stability when setting up for certain switch and nollie tricks, but besides that I do like my current looseness. Tighter at the front and looser at the back sounds weird but maybe it could work? Anyone ever done this before?

edit: did this, definitely helps a little bit, but feels really weird. But doesn't affect performance or anything.

I tried it for a second when I got new trucks but now I’m gonna try again since I’m use to them now! Thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on March 12, 2021, 09:27:34 AM
Quote from: sketchyrider on March 12, 2021, 07:58:56 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 12, 2021, 07:26:01 AM
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A washer underneath the bottom Bones bushings in Indy's will throw off the geometry I'm pretty sure. Only use a top washer for the top bushing.
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I think this is the way. I carefully measured some bones bushings next to indys and the measurements lined up perfectly when the bones had just the top washer.

I measured some bottom bushings with a set of calipers last year and these were my results:

Indy (blue 92a conical) : .545"
Bones (black hard) : .55"
Mini Logo (Soft Green) : .53"
Ace (white out of a 66) : .53"
Thunder (red 90a aftermarket) : .55"

So I run a bottom washer on Indys because they are pretty much exactly the same height as the stock lower. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on March 12, 2021, 09:51:48 AM
Quote from: backinaction on March 12, 2021, 09:27:34 AM
Quote from: sketchyrider on March 12, 2021, 07:58:56 AM
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Quote from: Diocletian on March 12, 2021, 07:26:01 AM
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A washer underneath the bottom Bones bushings in Indy's will throw off the geometry I'm pretty sure. Only use a top washer for the top bushing.
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I think this is the way. I carefully measured some bones bushings next to indys and the measurements lined up perfectly when the bones had just the top washer.
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I measured some bottom bushings with a set of calipers last year and these were my results:

Indy (blue 92a conical) : .545"
Bones (black hard) : .55"
Mini Logo (Soft Green) : .53"
Ace (white out of a 66) : .53"
Thunder (red 90a aftermarket) : .55"

So I run a bottom washer on Indys because they are pretty much exactly the same height as the stock lower.
I think we need this in mm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on March 12, 2021, 09:58:37 AM
Indy (blue 92a conical) : 13.85mm
Bones (black hard) : 14mm
Mini Logo (Soft Green) : 13.5mm
Ace (white out of a 66) : 13.5mm
Thunder (red 90a aftermarket) : 14mm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 12, 2021, 11:59:01 AM
IMO I really doubt that it's worth futzing much with the washers to accommodate .5mm. I think it's incredibly unlikely that one would notice such a minor difference
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on March 12, 2021, 01:53:49 PM
if we really wanna talk about futzing with small differences, i swear the center of those bones bushings is taller than the outer rim, unlike indys which are flat throughout
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CaderSk8r on March 12, 2021, 02:58:14 PM
Quote from: sketchyrider on March 12, 2021, 01:53:49 PM
if we really wanna talk about futzing with small differences, i swear the center of those bones bushings is taller than the outer rim, unlike indys which are flat throughout

That’s what gives them their signature turn
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 12, 2021, 06:24:00 PM
So one thing that a lot of people do not take into consideration is the fact that bushings when new are not the same height as bushings when nicely worn in and used in trucks.

Not only that, but bones bushings have the highest compression ratio, eg they squash down the most of all the bushings, so as much as you might start with bushings at the correct height (14mm or whatever that might be) they often end up squashing down considerably, so end up a few mm less, in which case you need to have the metal washers in there to bring them back up to the specified stock height that the trucks perform best at.

Not worried if people say otherwise, because I have a 100+ cm shoelace with all the blown out and squashed bones bushings from over the years when people have come back to buy more, but I have definitely seen some people blow out bushings a lot faster than others.  This is not based on weight or any specific sort, all three blue soft, yellow mediums and black hard all blow out the same way, but I think I have more mediums on there than any others, but the black ones seem squashed down the most.

Even my favourite old low head Indy aftermarket bushings are about 2mm in total lower now in most of my boards than when new and I don't ride squashed down / tight trucks.


This is why I recommend to people to see what works for them, never just say "You must put this in or leave that out" but I have seen that Bones bushings tend to last the longest when they have metal washers on either side of them, especially after that first break in period without them when they squash down some.

Also there have been bad batches of Bones bushings from time to time too, so some last better than others.

Title: NEXT LEVEL truck madness
Post by: Stlfromca on March 12, 2021, 08:26:08 PM
Fell victim to the madness over the years. I have some stage 8 129's and 139's that had broken kingpins and set aside. Im interested in using these older hangers on the new low kingpin design. Also has anybody ever skated different stage trucks? Like stage 7/rear stage11 front? Haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mbam003 on March 18, 2021, 02:17:09 AM
Are the bushings in Indy standards still inferior to the aftermarket ones?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 18, 2021, 02:55:16 AM
Quote from: mbam003 on March 18, 2021, 02:17:09 AM
Are the bushings in Indy standards still inferior to the aftermarket ones?

They are actually really good now, but they are 90 duro (now classed as medium, but that used to be more classed as soft a while back), so if you are not into fairly loose trucks, or want squashed down bushings on tighter trucks, they will work fine and last well.

The aftermarket Indy bushings come in both conical and cylinder as well as super soft to super hard, so pretty much have everything covered, including low heads in the 90 and 92 varieties, if you can find any, that is.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on March 18, 2021, 07:10:07 AM
i doubt they make the lows anymore. had to hunt pretty hard for some old stage 9 129 low bushings i use as my beer cruiser.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on March 18, 2021, 07:12:28 AM
Quote from: mbam003 on March 18, 2021, 02:17:09 AM
Are the bushings in Indy standards still inferior to the aftermarket ones?
Yes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on March 18, 2021, 07:15:46 AM
Tried bones bushings on ventures in an attempt to cure the madness. Couple sessions in they were starting to crush. That shit is an overpriced gimmick. Just find the right duro from Indy, get the conicals if you want a deeper turn, sand them down if you need to.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on March 18, 2021, 08:00:25 AM
So do 139 turn less than 149 with same bushings and nut tightness? I’ve got quite a few sessions on my set of aftermarket Indy barrels and they feel a ton tighter than my 149 with the same kingpin tightness. Even my Thunders feel way deeper. I dunno if that means I need a softer bushing for these or conical aftermarkets maybe.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on March 18, 2021, 08:01:33 AM
Quote from: IpathCats on March 18, 2021, 07:15:46 AM
Tried bones bushings on ventures in an attempt to cure the madness. Couple sessions in they were starting to crush. That shit is an overpriced gimmick. Just find the right duro from Indy, get the conicals if you want a deeper turn, sand them down if you need to.

Yep. I used to skate Bones meds in my Indys and I would blow them up and have to buy new ones every 1-2 month depending, and I don't skate high impact stuff AT ALL. At some point I only threw my stock Indy bushings back in and realised they are pretty good and a lot tougher than Bones, and they last me pretty much the life of the truck, so why bother? I only skate Indy and Ace, and leave the stock bushings in both.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fooj on March 18, 2021, 10:51:50 AM
Quote from: Wizard0f0dds on March 18, 2021, 08:01:33 AM
Quote from: IpathCats on March 18, 2021, 07:15:46 AM
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Tried bones bushings on ventures in an attempt to cure the madness. Couple sessions in they were starting to crush. That shit is an overpriced gimmick. Just find the right duro from Indy, get the conicals if you want a deeper turn, sand them down if you need to.
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Yep. I used to skate Bones meds in my Indys and I would blow them up and have to buy new ones every 1-2 month depending, and I don't skate high impact stuff AT ALL. At some point I only threw my stock Indy bushings back in and realised they are pretty good and a lot tougher than Bones, and they last me pretty much the life of the truck, so why bother? I only skate Indy and Ace, and leave the stock bushings in both.

Ive mentioned it in other threads but you guys really gotta try bones hards before you write them off.  I had the same thing happen with mediums, it was super disappointing with how much they cost. With hards though, they barely squish and you dont have to tighten the bolt down much to get a nice turn but not bite. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 18, 2021, 11:49:48 AM
Quote from: mbam003 on March 18, 2021, 02:17:09 AM
Are the bushings in Indy standards still inferior to the aftermarket ones?

With the caveat that I don't have the madness that others here do, I bought some 144s on here and the seller had switched out the standard mediums for the conical mediums, and I can say that I honestly prefer them strongly and think that they really make a difference if you want to ride relatively stiff bushings that still turns and carve beautifully. The seller included the original bushings and there was a noticeable difference in my parking lot A-B testing

I was swapping out stock Indy bushings for Bones for the last five years, but now I think it'll be medium conicals for a while
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 18, 2021, 11:52:48 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on March 18, 2021, 08:00:25 AM
So do 139 turn less than 149 with same bushings and nut tightness? I’ve got quite a few sessions on my set of aftermarket Indy barrels and they feel a ton tighter than my 149 with the same kingpin tightness. Even my Thunders feel way deeper. I dunno if that means I need a softer bushing for these or conical aftermarkets maybe.

I have a few different sets of Indys, and what I have noticed is that the wider the truck is, the easier it turns with the medium bushings. This makes sense, of course, because the leverage is increasing as the truck gets wider. So my 159s with stock medium bushings actually turn and carve beautifully, whereas my 144s for the stock bushings felt stiff and sluggish. Using the conical bushings, as I mentioned in my last post, definitely improved this, but I expect that some people might want a soft bushing for this purpose
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Tried bones bushings on ventures in an attempt to cure the madness. Couple sessions in they were starting to crush. That shit is an overpriced gimmick. Just find the right duro from Indy, get the conicals if you want a deeper turn, sand them down if you need to.
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Yep. I used to skate Bones meds in my Indys and I would blow them up and have to buy new ones every 1-2 month depending, and I don't skate high impact stuff AT ALL. At some point I only threw my stock Indy bushings back in and realised they are pretty good and a lot tougher than Bones, and they last me pretty much the life of the truck, so why bother? I only skate Indy and Ace, and leave the stock bushings in both.
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Ive mentioned it in other threads but you guys really gotta try bones hards before you write them off.  I had the same thing happen with mediums, it was super disappointing with how much they cost. With hards though, they barely squish and you dont have to tighten the bolt down much to get a nice turn but not bite.
Exactly how I feel. I've had the same bones hards in my ventures for months and not a sign of squishing or any other defect. Best bushings I've ever tried and I've tried ALOT lol.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on March 18, 2021, 01:41:24 PM
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So do 139 turn less than 149 with same bushings and nut tightness? I’ve got quite a few sessions on my set of aftermarket Indy barrels and they feel a ton tighter than my 149 with the same kingpin tightness. Even my Thunders feel way deeper. I dunno if that means I need a softer bushing for these or conical aftermarkets maybe.
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I have a few different sets of Indys, and what I have noticed is that the wider the truck is, the easier it turns with the medium bushings. This makes sense, of course, because the leverage is increasing as the truck gets wider. So my 159s with stock medium bushings actually turn and carve beautifully, whereas my 144s for the stock bushings felt stiff and sluggish. Using the conical bushings, as I mentioned in my last post, definitely improved this, but I expect that some people might want a soft bushing for this purpose

100% my experience too. The black Indy conicals turn great in my 169s, but I had to go to the medium (blue) cylinders to get a comparable turn in my 159s without too much wheelbite.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on March 18, 2021, 02:08:52 PM
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So do 139 turn less than 149 with same bushings and nut tightness? I’ve got quite a few sessions on my set of aftermarket Indy barrels and they feel a ton tighter than my 149 with the same kingpin tightness. Even my Thunders feel way deeper. I dunno if that means I need a softer bushing for these or conical aftermarkets maybe.
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I have a few different sets of Indys, and what I have noticed is that the wider the truck is, the easier it turns with the medium bushings. This makes sense, of course, because the leverage is increasing as the truck gets wider. So my 159s with stock medium bushings actually turn and carve beautifully, whereas my 144s for the stock bushings felt stiff and sluggish. Using the conical bushings, as I mentioned in my last post, definitely improved this, but I expect that some people might want a soft bushing for this purpose
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100% my experience too. The black Indy conicals turn great in my 169s, but I had to go to the medium (blue) cylinders to get a comparable turn in my 159s without too much wheelbite.
how are the conical versys cylinder in the 169? I want to try the black but never ran conical
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on March 18, 2021, 05:15:59 PM
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So do 139 turn less than 149 with same bushings and nut tightness? I’ve got quite a few sessions on my set of aftermarket Indy barrels and they feel a ton tighter than my 149 with the same kingpin tightness. Even my Thunders feel way deeper. I dunno if that means I need a softer bushing for these or conical aftermarkets maybe.
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I have a few different sets of Indys, and what I have noticed is that the wider the truck is, the easier it turns with the medium bushings. This makes sense, of course, because the leverage is increasing as the truck gets wider. So my 159s with stock medium bushings actually turn and carve beautifully, whereas my 144s for the stock bushings felt stiff and sluggish. Using the conical bushings, as I mentioned in my last post, definitely improved this, but I expect that some people might want a soft bushing for this purpose
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100% my experience too. The black Indy conicals turn great in my 169s, but I had to go to the medium (blue) cylinders to get a comparable turn in my 159s without too much wheelbite.
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how are the conical versys cylinder in the 169? I want to try the black but never ran conical

I think conicals “give” a little more than cylinders, so with 169s I get a deep turn if I lean hard while still resisting enough to not wobble. A slap user hipped me to black Indy conicals, so thanks for that. I haven’t tried the black cylinders with them though. I imagine they’d be too firm all the way through the turn for me. I’m 165 lbs and ride medium looseness with 55-56mm wheels and no risers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: switchfrontshuv on March 18, 2021, 06:02:56 PM
yo guys check me out

thunder 149 with ace classic top bushing as a bottom bushing (slightly lower, more conical, and softer than thunder stock bottom bushing)
bottom washer
stock top bushing top washer
1/8 risers
54-55mm hard, stf'y wheels for wheelbite control

on 8.25 steep kick board (to mix looseness, slightly tucked in wheelbase cuz of lower bottom bushing, and wheelbite issues)

on mellow kick would work better

also ace bushings dont freeze/get cooked so they make ur board shoot out sideways, so as a bottom bushings makes thunders more manageable
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on March 19, 2021, 05:09:01 AM
Quote from: jay_nev on March 18, 2021, 02:08:52 PM
how are the conical versys cylinder in the 169? I want to try the black but never ran conical

Tbh to me, there isn't much difference between the back conical and black cylinder. Since they're already pretty hard, you can get a pretty similar feeling by tightening the conicals down a half to a full turn more. I have the conicals in my 144s on my regular board, and the cylinders in my 149s on my board with softer wheels for shitty spots. They skate very similar.

Edit: and Don't worry, even though they're "hard" you can still turn like crazy on them, especially if you're a decent sized guy. I'm 6' 3", hard bushings were a key discovery in solving my madness. They feel so good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 19, 2021, 01:25:05 PM
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how are the conical versys cylinder in the 169? I want to try the black but never ran conical
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Edit: and Don't worry, even though they're "hard" you can still turn like crazy on them, especially if you're a decent sized guy. I'm 6' 3", hard bushings were a key discovery in solving my madness. They feel so good.

Proper duro bushings for your weight/desired level of tight/loose is more critical than people think.

My current madness: Tensor ATGs for a month (bones softs/combo of med top/soft bottom) - swapped to Venture a few times for comparison - ATGs react so quickly like ACE/Thunder but not as deep as ACE or as twitchy as Thunder in terms of turning (but they turn great, like a Theeve/faster Indy); but I always felt they were too tall/tippy, much like how I feel on 55mm Indy/Krux. I prefer lower trucks...so...

I switched to thunder hollow lights w/88a indy conical aftermarkets (broken in and sanded down top bushing) with sleeved washers, which, since the bottom sleeved washer is a bit thicker, brought them to the same exact height as stock thunder bottoms (!). Ran them on an 14.25"WB (been skating 14.18WB so close) and hated it. Tried different bushings, stock, bones, hard, soft, hated it. Moved to a shorter WB, 14 / 14.18, hated it except for pop (like the venture, I feel better olling on lower trucks), steep/mellow, fingers of flat, w/e. For reference I always enjoyed thunders but Tensor, like riding ACE, can spoil you in regards to turning (and grinding) capabilities once you get used to it (and removed the BINDING top washer on tensors).

This led me back to...Mini Logos, I know but here me out: 49mm height, 8.37" and turn like Indy/ACE/Theeve/Tensor (compared to a Venture/Thunder). So I get my low pop feel with a surfey turn (using the ACE dual duro with low tops and krux pins).

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/E0zPi256t5eHPcfj-5PiC5Yl4P8N7_iuBh3zLJ9AnR2vCJRkXAlvFQ1wD-pKMZH2iFXV6bN5mhdHcq9XSxoLSp-Wz7ePFOAc5bfJjLRhSIw8Y5SuNhm8Xo_-sv_mk0a3LsICv-juI8E=w2400)

TL;D, I guess I just prefer the Indy/ACE turn over thunders/ventures so I'm sticking with the ML until the TiMindys drop as that would mean with a forged plate they drop down to 50.5mm ish so close to the ML height, throw in the krux pin will lighten them up and net more ground clearance as well.

Throwing this out there too, once I swapped back to Venture/Thunder over ATGs without a doubt I prefer the way the board feels and sounds, especially when grinding and rolling around, it just feels more solid (I miss the weight reduction and grind ease tho).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on March 19, 2021, 05:19:55 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 19, 2021, 01:25:05 PM

This led me back to...Mini Logos, I know but here me out: 49mm height, 8.37" and turn like Indy/ACE/Theeve/Tensor (compared to a Venture/Thunder). So I get my low pop feel with a surfey turn (using the ACE dual duro with low tops and krux pins).

I rolled with the 8.38 Mini Logos and Krux kingpins for a while.  The JB Weld cracked on me twice (after a few months each time) and I ended up putting the stock kingpins back in.  I still have them on one setup, but hadn't ridden them in a while.  Just this week I took that board out and I really enjoyed it.  Thinking about moving them over to a deck I like better so I ride them more often.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 19, 2021, 06:34:59 PM
It's pretty well established here by now that Mini Logo trucks really do hold their own against the bigger brands. Powell would be smart to rebrand them as "Bones" trucks and try to capitalize on the success they have had with their wheel and bearings brand
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 19, 2021, 06:48:10 PM
Those mini logos  look as bent as any bent Ace photos I have seen. Probably optical illusion....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on March 19, 2021, 07:11:41 PM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on March 19, 2021, 06:48:10 PM
Those mini logos  look as bent as any bent Ace photos I have seen. Probably optical illusion....

They have tapered ends to help lock in.

(https://d2or613lp2h38m.cloudfront.net/media/wysiwyg/minilogo/pages/home/2019/ML-truck-lock-in-Slider_opt.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 19, 2021, 10:49:26 PM
I haven't skated minilogos but one mod that would probably work well is.......stickers.

Pretty sure George spent years and thousands of dollars designing these trucks only to find that manufacturing them to his specs in the US was impossible.  Powell has always marketed what is made in China different from their own brand. 

I've asked && about them and he said his only complaint was the components weren't great. 

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 20, 2021, 04:47:15 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 19, 2021, 10:49:26 PM
I haven't skated minilogos but one mod that would probably work well is.......stickers.

Pretty sure George spent years and thousands of dollars designing these trucks only to find that manufacturing them to his specs in the US was impossible.  Powell has always marketed what is made in China different from their own brand. 

I've asked && about them and he said his only complaint was the components weren't great.

I'd be open to try Bones trucks, don't think we've ever seen a truck company doing wheels before but the mini logo brand isn't doing them any favors. If they hit the beginner friendly price point, I can see them being more popular than store brand trucks like Bullet or Industrial trucks.

Then again look at Royal, all the marketing and product redesigns can't save them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 20, 2021, 08:24:13 AM
I'd have gone to ACE44s if I had any on, but I don't. Also, no stickers  :'(

Not sure what component && is talking about, the pivot cups and bushings are fine (if not a little hard) I always swap them out for Krux or ACE.

Quote from: manysnakes on March 19, 2021, 06:34:59 PM
It's pretty well established here by now that Mini Logo trucks really do hold their own against the bigger brands. Powell would be smart to rebrand them as "Bones" trucks and try to capitalize on the success they have had with their wheel and bearings brand

I don't disagree that they can hold their own...but here? On Slap? Well established? I can count on one hand the number posters that have actually ridden them and spoken up.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 20, 2021, 08:30:02 AM
Quote from: backinaction on March 19, 2021, 07:11:41 PM
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Those mini logos  look as bent as any bent Ace photos I have seen. Probably optical illusion....
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They have tapered ends to help lock in.

(https://d2or613lp2h38m.cloudfront.net/media/wysiwyg/minilogo/pages/home/2019/ML-truck-lock-in-Slider_opt.jpg)

That's what Ace said.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 20, 2021, 08:41:28 AM
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Those mini logos  look as bent as any bent Ace photos I have seen. Probably optical illusion....
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They have tapered ends to help lock in.

(https://d2or613lp2h38m.cloudfront.net/media/wysiwyg/minilogo/pages/home/2019/ML-truck-lock-in-Slider_opt.jpg)
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That's what Ace said.

I've never felt it made any difference on either truck; same goes for ACE's tapered hangers (which have also gone bye bye) when they shipped with just one speedring suggesting the tapered hanger didn't need an inside speedring...or the extra meat on center of the hanger....none of their gimmicks work well enough to keep: See .38 specials and possible the AF1 rethreading axle nuts (if it worked, great idea but something no one asked for...unless the 'new' trucks require you to have it...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 20, 2021, 08:53:15 AM
The one design I think works really well with Ace is the tapered hanger. I like how there is no need for inside washers, the hanger face is straight (this helps your bearings perform better) and the hanger does not crush your bearing shields.

Check out how your wheels sit on other trucks -not always straight... Some Rockin Ron types even precision-face their Indy hangers so the bearings sit properly. Ace solved this with the tapered design.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 20, 2021, 07:41:56 PM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on March 20, 2021, 08:53:15 AM
The one design I think works really well with Ace is the tapered hanger. I like how there is no need for inside washers, the hanger face is straight (this helps your bearings perform better) and the hanger does not crush your bearing shields.

Check out how your wheels sit on other trucks -not always straight... Some Rockin Ron types even precision-face their Indy hangers so the bearings sit properly. Ace solved this with the tapered design.

Absolutely. This should be a standard design for all trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on March 21, 2021, 07:48:59 PM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on March 20, 2021, 08:53:15 AM
The one design I think works really well with Ace is the tapered hanger. I like how there is no need for inside washers, the hanger face is straight (this helps your bearings perform better) and the hanger does not crush your bearing shields.

Check out how your wheels sit on other trucks -not always straight... Some Rockin Ron types even precision-face their Indy hangers so the bearings sit properly. Ace solved this with the tapered design.

2nd that, i had that problem with a set of indies i had, the hanger wasn't clean and i had to file it so the wheel doesn't pinch.
only issue i've had with ace are the bushings but those are luckily replaceable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on March 21, 2021, 08:41:39 PM
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Tried bones bushings on ventures in an attempt to cure the madness. Couple sessions in they were starting to crush. That shit is an overpriced gimmick. Just find the right duro from Indy, get the conicals if you want a deeper turn, sand them down if you need to.
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Yep. I used to skate Bones meds in my Indys and I would blow them up and have to buy new ones every 1-2 month depending, and I don't skate high impact stuff AT ALL. At some point I only threw my stock Indy bushings back in and realised they are pretty good and a lot tougher than Bones, and they last me pretty much the life of the truck, so why bother? I only skate Indy and Ace, and leave the stock bushings in both.
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Ive mentioned it in other threads but you guys really gotta try bones hards before you write them off.  I had the same thing happen with mediums, it was super disappointing with how much they cost. With hards though, they barely squish and you dont have to tighten the bolt down much to get a nice turn but not bite.
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Exactly how I feel. I've had the same bones hards in my ventures for months and not a sign of squishing or any other defect. Best bushings I've ever tried and I've tried ALOT lol.
I’ve been riding venture 6.1’s for a while. With the stock bushings, the top washer hits the hanger and chews up the stock bushing. I ran stock bottom, bones top, no washer until the bones blew out - which was quick. Now I’m using Indy soft top with bones washer and stock venture bottom. Pretty good; more temperature sensitive than bones and a little less rebound.  I’ve run bones soft in 5.8’s and gave up on them when I got sick of replacing bushings. Will definitely consider bones hard if things get unwell.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on March 21, 2021, 08:50:31 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 20, 2021, 08:24:13 AM
I'd have gone to ACE44s if I had any on, but I don't. Also, no stickers  :'(

Not sure what component && is talking about, the pivot cups and bushings are fine (if not a little hard) I always swap them out for Krux or ACE.

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I don't disagree that they can hold their own...but here? On Slap? Well established? I can count on one hand the number posters that have actually ridden them and spoken up.

I have ridden mini logo 8.75’s and liked them. They are looooow for a truck not specified as such, and there’s not a ton of kingpin clearance, but they grind and turn well. They did develop some pivot slop/kingpin wobble, but it was unnoticeable in use and mitigated by new pivot cups and bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 22, 2021, 12:26:51 PM
They're super low at 49.5mm yet don't wheelbite near as bad as Thunders.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 22, 2021, 01:43:53 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 22, 2021, 12:26:51 PM
They're super low at 49.5mm yet don't wheelbite near as bad as Thunders.

Should have named them bones
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 22, 2021, 07:26:06 PM
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They're super low at 49.5mm yet don't wheelbite near as bad as Thunders.
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Should have named them bones

Probably would have gone over as well as BONES griptape; they're low budget trucks, 'alloy blend' (think Tensor Alloys ). And as noted, no way could Powell get these made stateside in order to fit with the Made in CA image and keep costs down (unless they did it themselves in house).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on March 22, 2021, 07:52:12 PM
I never quite understood how people are willing to put up to the Venture washer/bushing issue. It was a thing back in the day as well and shows the truck isn't super well engineered OR should come with a different top washer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on March 22, 2021, 09:46:53 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on March 22, 2021, 07:52:12 PM
I never quite understood how people are willing to put up to the Venture washer/bushing issue. It was a thing back in the day as well and shows the truck isn't super well engineered OR should come with a different top washer.

The simple fact that you need to have a specific tool in order to access the nuts to slap them on a deck is too much for me. Didn't even know the washers dug into the hanger on top of that, I guess it would be easily avoidable with a flat washer though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fakie nollie on March 22, 2021, 09:58:07 PM
I just retired my ventures and am very stoked. The design flaw with the front nuts is infuriating. I’ll post pictures at a different time of my unit tool, which gained a small tiger stripe from rubbing on the axle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on March 23, 2021, 05:21:46 AM
for what its worth, the top washer can dig into my indys too. not real bad, but it still happens.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 23, 2021, 07:11:49 AM
For people who like Ventures, the washers stopping the hanger is part of the appeal...the perceived stability and the pinch. That being said, I always tell myself I can deal with it but at the end of the day I always end up going back to Ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stlfromca on March 23, 2021, 07:17:16 AM
Just put some bones bushings with the bones flat washer on my 5.2 hi's after i noticed the stock washer would dig into the hanger. Only ridden indy and thunder all my life. I gave the 5.0 lo a try on a board couple years back but litteraly gave them away to the lil homie lol. Well see. Part of me just likes the look of venture on my board because thats what all the rad tech skaters rode when i was coming up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on March 23, 2021, 07:19:09 AM
If you ride loose with cupped top washers, just about every single truck out there will have that thing digging into the hanger at some point. I learned that cupped top washers suck and restrict turning quite substantially regardless if it's touching the hanger or not. Flat Bones top washers are a game changer. Or if you're not running a Bones top bushing, you can just omit a top washer altogether and unlock a way better turn. The nut will make the center of the bushing sorta cave in after awhile but it doesn't seem to affect the performance because there's no plastic core to break.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lou Strux on March 23, 2021, 10:33:48 AM
I was able to find some heat treated (grade 8?) flat washers, that fit over the kingpin just about perfectly & had no “overhang” beyond the edge of the the top bush, at my local hardware store. They never bent/distorted & were around 80 cents apiece.
Anymore these days though, I’m running my trucks stock, out of the box, so to speak. I’m not even tightening them shits down, even though I prolly ought.
‘Course, I’m pretty much on Indy, Thunder, & Ace only, so I’ve got nothing to add as far as Ventures go.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lloyd Braun on March 23, 2021, 10:34:22 AM
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The simple fact that you need to have a specific tool in order to access the nuts to slap them on a deck is too much for me. Didn't even know the washers dug into the hanger on top of that, I guess it would be easily avoidable with a flat washer though.

The hardware thing is not even an issue. At least for me. Yes I have to angle to tool but it still works fine. Not as much of a pain as people make it out to be.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bunk Moreland on March 23, 2021, 10:44:15 AM
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I never quite understood how people are willing to put up to the Venture washer/bushing issue. It was a thing back in the day as well and shows the truck isn't super well engineered OR should come with a different top washer.
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The simple fact that you need to have a specific tool in order to access the nuts to slap them on a deck is too much for me. Didn't even know the washers dug into the hanger on top of that, I guess it would be easily avoidable with a flat washer though.
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The hardware thing is not even an issue. At least for me. Yes I have to angle to tool but it still works fine. Not as much of a pain as people make it out to be.
I’ve never had issues putting ventures on and they’re all I’ve ridden since 1993. And the washer thing, so what.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 23, 2021, 10:52:55 AM
Quote from: Lou Strux on March 23, 2021, 10:33:48 AM
I was able to find some heat treated (grade 8?) flat washers, that fit over the kingpin just about perfectly & had no “overhang” beyond the edge of the the top bush, at my local hardware store. They never bent/distorted & were around 80 cents apiece.
Anymore these days though, I’m running my trucks stock, out of the box, so to speak. I’m not even tightening them shits down, even though I prolly ought.
‘Course, I’m pretty much on Indy, Thunder, & Ace only, so I’ve got nothing to add as far as Ventures go.

Nice, I’m looking to get some of those but have yet to measure the ones I have to find the right size.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 23, 2021, 11:18:03 AM
Quote from: Diocletian on March 23, 2021, 07:19:09 AM
If you ride loose with cupped top washers, just about every single truck out there will have that thing digging into the hanger at some point. I learned that cupped top washers suck and restrict turning quite substantially regardless if it's touching the hanger or not. Flat Bones top washers are a game changer. Or if you're not running a Bones top bushing, you can just omit a top washer altogether and unlock a way better turn. The nut will make the center of the bushing sorta cave in after awhile but it doesn't seem to affect the performance because there's no plastic core to break.

Quote from: sketchyrider on March 23, 2021, 05:21:46 AM
for what its worth, the top washer can dig into my indys too. not real bad, but it still happens.

Stock Tensor ATG washer do it too, they are much to big.

I swap out for bones flat washer on every truck these days, top and bottom if riding conicals.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/1eNa86aYCjlTv9OgMTNebCbcIiVGQho5T1gsvbId65qKhPFwWocGB4jvWQjIRdqMWnaVnAm06nIUidfDr9I56Ox4nyTooPbUAfRqJG9kbyRyYD4exvkeKswBBqhlr-fBGbqX9QkIRJk=w2400)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on March 23, 2021, 12:40:31 PM
bones flat washers in ventures. problem solved
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on March 23, 2021, 12:53:28 PM
bones should just sell the flat washers by themselves. i've tried running no top washer like Diocletian said but i find the rebound is kinda bad without it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 23, 2021, 01:12:50 PM
Quote from: sketchyrider on March 23, 2021, 12:53:28 PM
bones should just sell the flat washers by themselves. i've tried running no top washer like Diocletian said but i find the rebound is kinda bad without it.

But then you wouldn't be buying their $10 bushings...just go to a hardware store?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 23, 2021, 04:59:24 PM
When I found a tool like this, mainly the thin stem in particular, I found that it didn't matter what the truck was, I could still get it around the hanger easily and it worked well with any hardware, even the low nuts that Shortys make, which were definitely a pain to do up with a normal sized skate tool.

Just an option for those people who are struggling with getting around hangers, Venture in particular.

They are usually on the cheaper side and often come from no name brands or even generic ebay sellers, but they are so very good and I use this more than anything for doing up deck bolts on all the trucks nowdays.  It is the pull apart type, as per second pic, but I have glued mine together so it stays in one piece - one at home, one in the shop and another one in the car, along with all the other skate tools I have.

(https://www.trinitydistribution.com.au/assets/full/distool.s.01.jpg)

(https://www.trinitydistribution.com.au/assets/alt_2/distool.s.01.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GuessAgain? on March 23, 2021, 05:13:44 PM
I'm looking to try out a pair of Thunder 147 titanium lights for the hell of it but I'm based in UK and everywhere seems to have been sold out for a while. Anyone know what's up with that, is it to do with covid, or are they just not making them anymore?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 23, 2021, 05:33:57 PM
Quote from: GuessAgain? on March 23, 2021, 05:13:44 PM
I'm looking to try out a pair of Thunder 147 titanium lights for the hell of it but I'm based in UK and everywhere seems to have been sold out for a while. Anyone know what's up with that, is it to do with covid, or are they just not making them anymore?

I would imagine that almost everywhere is out of stock of that sort of truck.  The main ones I have seen around are still just the standard versions, not too many of anything else and I think titanium is probably the last sort they will be making until stock levels return to normal.

Even here in AU there are almost none, just whatever is left over and minimal new stock that comes into the country and US shops look like they have just the regular ones too, only in a greater supply at least.

Other people wanting things from DLX like specific Spitfire wheels in the UK and Europe seem to be unable to get them too.

Jump on DLX and use the Hit Us Up (top right) to ask though.

https://www.dlxsf.com/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on March 23, 2021, 06:05:25 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 23, 2021, 05:33:57 PM
Quote from: GuessAgain? on March 23, 2021, 05:13:44 PM
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I'm looking to try out a pair of Thunder 147 titanium lights for the hell of it but I'm based in UK and everywhere seems to have been sold out for a while. Anyone know what's up with that, is it to do with covid, or are they just not making them anymore?
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I would imagine that almost everywhere is out of stock of that sort of truck.  The main ones I have seen around are still just the standard versions, not too many of anything else and I think titanium is probably the last sort they will be making until stock levels return to normal.

Even here in AU there are almost none, just whatever is left over and minimal new stock that comes into the country and US shops look like they have just the regular ones too, only in a greater supply at least.

Other people wanting things from DLX like specific Spitfire wheels in the UK and Europe seem to be unable to get them too.

Jump on DLX and use the Hit Us Up (top right) to ask though.

https://www.dlxsf.com/

FWIW, I haven't seen titanium thunders or ventures in a long time in the states as well. I've seen plenty of hollows for both brands around recently so I'm also wondering if they stopped making them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 23, 2021, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: Bunk Moreland on March 23, 2021, 10:44:15 AM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on March 23, 2021, 10:34:22 AM
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I never quite understood how people are willing to put up to the Venture washer/bushing issue. It was a thing back in the day as well and shows the truck isn't super well engineered OR should come with a different top washer.
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The simple fact that you need to have a specific tool in order to access the nuts to slap them on a deck is too much for me. Didn't even know the washers dug into the hanger on top of that, I guess it would be easily avoidable with a flat washer though.
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The hardware thing is not even an issue. At least for me. Yes I have to angle to tool but it still works fine. Not as much of a pain as people make it out to be.
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I’ve never had issues putting ventures on and they’re all I’ve ridden since 1993. And the washer thing, so what.

Yes.

Bunk Moreland a g
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 23, 2021, 11:26:22 PM
Quote from: FatGuy92 on March 23, 2021, 06:05:25 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 23, 2021, 05:33:57 PM
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I'm looking to try out a pair of Thunder 147 titanium lights for the hell of it but I'm based in UK and everywhere seems to have been sold out for a while. Anyone know what's up with that, is it to do with covid, or are they just not making them anymore?
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I would imagine that almost everywhere is out of stock of that sort of truck.  The main ones I have seen around are still just the standard versions, not too many of anything else and I think titanium is probably the last sort they will be making until stock levels return to normal.

Even here in AU there are almost none, just whatever is left over and minimal new stock that comes into the country and US shops look like they have just the regular ones too, only in a greater supply at least.

Other people wanting things from DLX like specific Spitfire wheels in the UK and Europe seem to be unable to get them too.

Jump on DLX and use the Hit Us Up (top right) to ask though.

https://www.dlxsf.com/
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FWIW, I haven't seen titanium thunders or ventures in a long time in the states as well. I've seen plenty of hollows for both brands around recently so I'm also wondering if they stopped making them.

They dried up last year during the hard goods shortage, my guess is DLX knows those aren't fast moving trucks and would focus on the faster / cheaper variants. Indy is still doing TI trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on March 24, 2021, 05:13:29 AM
Quote from: Xen on March 23, 2021, 01:12:50 PM
Quote from: sketchyrider on March 23, 2021, 12:53:28 PM
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bones should just sell the flat washers by themselves. i've tried running no top washer like Diocletian said but i find the rebound is kinda bad without it.
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But then you wouldn't be buying their $10 bushings...just go to a hardware store?

psh. next you're gonna tell me to buy hardware at a hardware store.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 24, 2021, 06:48:41 AM
Quote from: sketchyrider on March 24, 2021, 05:13:29 AM
Quote from: Xen on March 23, 2021, 01:12:50 PM
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Quote from: sketchyrider on March 23, 2021, 12:53:28 PM
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bones should just sell the flat washers by themselves. i've tried running no top washer like Diocletian said but i find the rebound is kinda bad without it.
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But then you wouldn't be buying their $10 bushings...just go to a hardware store?
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psh. next you're gonna tell me to buy hardware at a hardware store.

I'd never. I would, however, tell you to buy bulk of Amazon.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 25, 2021, 08:11:59 AM
Bushing question: Anyone of the opinion that bushings affect pop? Listen to Chris Cole talk about riding hard bushing so his ankles are focused on snapping the board down and on the right side of your tail, having loose bushings equates to the ankle doing periphery work (keeping the board stable).

He talks about bushing tightness around the 4:10 section:
https://youtu.be/Pt2Bn3KIldU
(-1 for referring to himself as a savant)

Got me thinking of James Craig's tutorial on Fakie Ollie Front Crooks, storing the pop in the bushings and releasing it to come off the grind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcT7Igmn7TI
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 25, 2021, 08:37:38 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 25, 2021, 08:11:59 AM
Bushing question: Anyone of the opinion that bushings affect pop? Listen to Chris Cole talk about riding hard bushing so his ankles are focused on snapping the board down and on the right side of your tail, having loose bushings equates to the ankle doing periphery work (keeping the board stable).

He talks about bushing tightness around the 4:10 section:
https://youtu.be/Pt2Bn3KIldU
(-1 for referring to himself as a savant)

Got me thinking of James Craig's tutorial on Fakie Ollie Front Crooks, storing the pop in the bushings and releasing it to come off the grind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcT7Igmn7TI

I think bushing duro can effect pop depending on how you set up. Cole seems like he is talking about doing everything he can to make his trucks completely stable so he can get the most out of every part of his tail/nose for trucks and avoid wheel bite, without having to worry about the additional task of stabilizing the board while you are doing that. He also feels that if you don’t have hard bushings/tight trucks that you have to replace that stability with muscular tension in your ankles. All that makes sense.

Since I’m nowhere near his technical ability and enjoy the feel and carve of loose trucks, but also need some stability (because my center balance on my deck is not perfect), I use bones hards to add stability to wobbly/close to wobbly loose trucks. On Aces, for example, I like riding super loose, but I can’t trust any of my Ollie based tricks with speed because I can’t stabilize with soft bushings. They are unstable all the way from center to the wheel bite point of the turn. So the hards keep the trucks wobbly on center, but off center they add enough resistance where I can have enough stability to trust my tricks, avoid wheel bite, and still enjoy the fun part of the turn. My pop stays consistent enough.

With soft bushings I find my pop suffers unless my weight and foot placement is precisely on point and I’m not skillful enough to do that consistently if I’m skating fast through the city or at a spot.

Hope that makes sense
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on March 25, 2021, 10:44:48 AM
Its just like Chris Cole explains. Stiff trucks will allow you to consistently pop from the same spot on tail/nose. When you get a new board, do 10 ollies. Did you hit exactly the same spot with ur tail?

Ankle muscles/tendons? It can be some truth to this. Ive experienced strained ankle just from landing odd with very loose trucks. It can also effect flick, because your flicking foot might be tight or relaxed in the wrong moment during the flick.

Bushings? Obviously a soft bushing will compress more, which might effect wheelbase in a minuscule way - just like tighting or loosning the trucks with literally change the wheelbase, tho also in a minuscule  way. I doubt bushings have strong enough rebound to actually rebound like he mentions in the video.

Skateboarding is already difficult enough as it is. So removing variables, like popping from different place on the tail/nose, off-centered tension during treys etc, is definitely beneficial if you ask me.
Consistency is key.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Easy Slider on March 25, 2021, 12:42:52 PM
I set up a board for my wife today and used my 1997 Orions. Had to replace a kingpin and also wanted to replace the pivot cups but the hole in the mini logos are too narrow. What could I try?

For bushings I went with orange Indy stock bottom barrels and the blue Indy aftermarket top bushings. This was the only combo that fit, everything else was too high, at least if using washers.  I hope it will be turny enough as my wife is very light.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 25, 2021, 01:24:17 PM
Quote from: Easy Slider on March 25, 2021, 12:42:52 PM
I set up a board for my wife today and used my 1997 Orions. Had to replace a kingpin and also wanted to replace the pivot cups but the hole in the mini logos are too narrow. What could I try?

For bushings I went with orange Indy stock bottom barrels and the blue Indy aftermarket top bushings. This was the only combo that fit, everything else was too high, at least if using washers.  I hope it will be turny enough as my wife is very light.

I am not sure if I understood that right, but to remove a pivot cup I always use a kingpin to angle the cup out of the baseplate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Easy Slider on March 25, 2021, 01:46:06 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on March 25, 2021, 01:24:17 PM
Quote from: Easy Slider on March 25, 2021, 12:42:52 PM
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I set up a board for my wife today and used my 1997 Orions. Had to replace a kingpin and also wanted to replace the pivot cups but the hole in the mini logos are too narrow. What could I try?

For bushings I went with orange Indy stock bottom barrels and the blue Indy aftermarket top bushings. This was the only combo that fit, everything else was too high, at least if using washers.  I hope it will be turny enough as my wife is very light.
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I am not sure if I understood that right, but to remove a pivot cup I always use a kingpin to angle the cup out of the baseplate.

I can remove it. I meant the hole where the pivot goes in is too narrow or in other words the Orion pivot is too fat to fit the Mini Logo cup.  :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 25, 2021, 06:36:34 PM
Quote from: Easy Slider on March 25, 2021, 01:46:06 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on March 25, 2021, 01:24:17 PM
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Quote from: Easy Slider on March 25, 2021, 12:42:52 PM
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I set up a board for my wife today and used my 1997 Orions. Had to replace a kingpin and also wanted to replace the pivot cups but the hole in the mini logos are too narrow. What could I try?

For bushings I went with orange Indy stock bottom barrels and the blue Indy aftermarket top bushings. This was the only combo that fit, everything else was too high, at least if using washers.  I hope it will be turny enough as my wife is very light.
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I am not sure if I understood that right, but to remove a pivot cup I always use a kingpin to angle the cup out of the baseplate.
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I can remove it. I meant the hole where the pivot goes in is too narrow or in other words the Orion pivot is too fat to fit the Mini Logo cup.  :D


If the pivot cup is not completely blown out, I would leave it in place, as old parts and especially different old parts often have issues with things fitting, compared to new parts where almost everything is about the same dimensions.

Pics would really help though

Also re bushings, if she is very light, running without washers will work too.  It is not something I would normally do, but I know lots of the light weight kids I skate with leave off the bottom bushing washer, some even leave off both metal washers and they can still skate their boards fine.

My fix for those sort of boards is usually cut a mm off the top bushing and it still works perfectly, but I think leave off a washer and it should work better for your situation.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chimps on March 26, 2021, 12:14:50 AM
didn't want to make a new thread to ask but does indy make trucks without the cross logo on the baseplates now? at least partially? grabbed some indy reynolds 139s and noticed the cross isn't there. legit? fake? ordered them from the big zooooooomz

looks exactly like this:

(https://www.bulletstore.cl/900-large_default/trucks-independent-modelo-stage-11-hollow-reynolds-block-silver.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lou Strux on March 26, 2021, 12:25:34 AM
Quote from: chimps on March 26, 2021, 12:14:50 AM
didn't want to make a new thread to ask but does indy make trucks without the cross logo on the baseplates now? at least partially? grabbed some indy reynolds 139s and noticed the cross isn't there. legit? fake? ordered them from the big zooooooomz

looks exactly like this:

(https://www.bulletstore.cl/900-large_default/trucks-independent-modelo-stage-11-hollow-reynolds-block-silver.jpg)
Looks pretty legit. The Big Z prolly ain’t dabbling in back door bootlegs, besides.
You can thank your friends at SLAP for having the iron cross removed.
May I say, I do believe it’s a better looking truck as result.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Easy Slider on March 26, 2021, 12:32:12 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 25, 2021, 06:36:34 PM
Quote from: Easy Slider on March 25, 2021, 01:46:06 PM
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Quote from: fs1/2cab on March 25, 2021, 01:24:17 PM
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Quote from: Easy Slider on March 25, 2021, 12:42:52 PM
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I set up a board for my wife today and used my 1997 Orions. Had to replace a kingpin and also wanted to replace the pivot cups but the hole in the mini logos are too narrow. What could I try?

For bushings I went with orange Indy stock bottom barrels and the blue Indy aftermarket top bushings. This was the only combo that fit, everything else was too high, at least if using washers.  I hope it will be turny enough as my wife is very light.
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I am not sure if I understood that right, but to remove a pivot cup I always use a kingpin to angle the cup out of the baseplate.
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I can remove it. I meant the hole where the pivot goes in is too narrow or in other words the Orion pivot is too fat to fit the Mini Logo cup.  :D
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If the pivot cup is not completely blown out, I would leave it in place, as old parts and especially different old parts often have issues with things fitting, compared to new parts where almost everything is about the same dimensions.

Pics would really help though

Also re bushings, if she is very light, running without washers will work too.  It is not something I would normally do, but I know lots of the light weight kids I skate with leave off the bottom bushing washer, some even leave off both metal washers and they can still skate their boards fine.

My fix for those sort of boards is usually cut a mm off the top bushing and it still works perfectly, but I think leave off a washer and it should work better for your situation.

Thanks for the input mate. We‘ll see how it works out for the first sessions.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 26, 2021, 02:27:52 AM
Quote from: Lou Strux on March 26, 2021, 12:25:34 AM
Quote from: chimps on March 26, 2021, 12:14:50 AM
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didn't want to make a new thread to ask but does indy make trucks without the cross logo on the baseplates now? at least partially? grabbed some indy reynolds 139s and noticed the cross isn't there. legit? fake? ordered them from the big zooooooomz

looks exactly like this:

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Looks pretty legit. The Big Z prolly ain’t dabbling in back door bootlegs, besides.
You can thank your friends at SLAP for having the iron cross removed.
May I say, I do believe it’s a better looking truck as result.

Sure is legit as they have removed any mention or look of the cross, as per Lou Strux comment.

Funny now to think that it causes people to question whether or not they are legit.

I wonder if it will also now easier to spot the fakes as they will have the new versions (colourways) with the cross still on them from when they made them however long ago, or at least see how long it takes them to catch on.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bunk Moreland on March 26, 2021, 03:14:36 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 26, 2021, 02:27:52 AM
Quote from: Lou Strux on March 26, 2021, 12:25:34 AM
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Quote from: chimps on March 26, 2021, 12:14:50 AM
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didn't want to make a new thread to ask but does indy make trucks without the cross logo on the baseplates now? at least partially? grabbed some indy reynolds 139s and noticed the cross isn't there. legit? fake? ordered them from the big zooooooomz

looks exactly like this:

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Looks pretty legit. The Big Z prolly ain’t dabbling in back door bootlegs, besides.
You can thank your friends at SLAP for having the iron cross removed.
May I say, I do believe it’s a better looking truck as result.
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Sure is legit as they have removed any mention or look of the cross, as per Lou Strux comment.

Funny now to think that it causes people to question whether or not they are legit.

I wonder if it will also now easier to spot the fakes as they will have the new versions (colourways) with the cross still on them from when they made them however long ago, or at least see how long it takes them to catch on.
There are 6 crosses in that photo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beatifk on March 26, 2021, 04:47:11 AM
Quote from: Bunk Moreland on March 26, 2021, 03:14:36 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 26, 2021, 02:27:52 AM
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Quote from: Lou Strux on March 26, 2021, 12:25:34 AM
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Quote from: chimps on March 26, 2021, 12:14:50 AM
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didn't want to make a new thread to ask but does indy make trucks without the cross logo on the baseplates now? at least partially? grabbed some indy reynolds 139s and noticed the cross isn't there. legit? fake? ordered them from the big zooooooomz

looks exactly like this:

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Looks pretty legit. The Big Z prolly ain’t dabbling in back door bootlegs, besides.
You can thank your friends at SLAP for having the iron cross removed.
May I say, I do believe it’s a better looking truck as result.
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Sure is legit as they have removed any mention or look of the cross, as per Lou Strux comment.

Funny now to think that it causes people to question whether or not they are legit.

I wonder if it will also now easier to spot the fakes as they will have the new versions (colourways) with the cross still on them from when they made them however long ago, or at least see how long it takes them to catch on.
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There are 6 crosses in that photo.

LOL. the number of the beast. #hellride
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mbam003 on March 26, 2021, 05:54:30 AM
Quote from: chimps on March 26, 2021, 12:14:50 AM
didn't want to make a new thread to ask but does indy make trucks without the cross logo on the baseplates now? at least partially? grabbed some indy reynolds 139s and noticed the cross isn't there. legit? fake? ordered them from the big zooooooomz

looks exactly like this:

(https://www.bulletstore.cl/900-large_default/trucks-independent-modelo-stage-11-hollow-reynolds-block-silver.jpg)

Raw standards don't have a cross on the baseplate recently. Mids logo doesn't have a cross on it (the baseplates do though). They even proposed some Indy logos without the cross on Instagram not too long ago.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hiljentaa on March 26, 2021, 09:00:55 AM
Are Independent baseplates the same throughout sizes?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on March 26, 2021, 09:34:07 AM
Quote from: hiljentaa on March 26, 2021, 09:00:55 AM
Are Independent baseplates the same throughout sizes?



Standard cast ones differ only that 159s and 169s have the 6 hole pattern so they can be used on old-school decks as well. I believe 215s have a different length kingpin. 

Forged ones are the same throughout the sizes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on March 26, 2021, 09:37:16 AM
One thing I was thinking about today regarding Bones with no bottom washer being lower on some trucks: when you tighten a standard bushing they lose about a mm or close to the thickness of the washer. The Bones plastic insert prevents this so it’s likely the heights end up in the margin of measurement error.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 26, 2021, 09:46:15 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on March 26, 2021, 09:37:16 AM
One thing I was thinking about today regarding Bones with no bottom washer being lower on some trucks: when you tighten a standard bushing they lose about a mm or close to the thickness of the washer. The Bones plastic insert prevents this so it’s likely the heights end up in the margin of measurement error.

If you tighten down the bones bushing the urethane squishes down as well so it would still be lower.

In most cases, using a bottom washer with bones keeps them the same height as as stock washer and bushing combo (on indy at least).

Again, tightening down a bushing with or without a washer, nets the same result.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on March 26, 2021, 01:48:53 PM
Measured with calipers my Thunders w/ stock bushings and with Bones and no lower washer are within hundreds of an inch. So they really don't change in height at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 26, 2021, 04:03:13 PM
Quote from: Bunk Moreland on March 26, 2021, 03:14:36 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 26, 2021, 02:27:52 AM
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Quote from: Lou Strux on March 26, 2021, 12:25:34 AM
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Quote from: chimps on March 26, 2021, 12:14:50 AM
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didn't want to make a new thread to ask but does indy make trucks without the cross logo on the baseplates now? at least partially? grabbed some indy reynolds 139s and noticed the cross isn't there. legit? fake? ordered them from the big zooooooomz

looks exactly like this:

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Looks pretty legit. The Big Z prolly ain’t dabbling in back door bootlegs, besides.
You can thank your friends at SLAP for having the iron cross removed.
May I say, I do believe it’s a better looking truck as result.
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Sure is legit as they have removed any mention or look of the cross, as per Lou Strux comment.

Funny now to think that it causes people to question whether or not they are legit.

I wonder if it will also now easier to spot the fakes as they will have the new versions (colourways) with the cross still on them from when they made them however long ago, or at least see how long it takes them to catch on.
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There are 6 crosses in that photo.

Ha yes, but the whole thing with that logo being on the baseplate, or not being on the baseplate, was the main point.  Once the graphic is gone and the tags are removed, or more so on the standards with no other graphic to start with, they can say "What cross?" or whatever.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Novelty on March 26, 2021, 06:00:24 PM
I've been seeing a mix of new trucks, some with and some without the cross on the baseplate. Even the photo above looks like it was photoshopped out. Pretty confusing since half the merch and clothing in their new catalog has some form of the cross still on it. Changing the colour of the cross in the newest branding / logos seems like a half hearted attempt to try and please everyone (let's make it green and yellow to try and hide it?). Also notice that over half of the latest pro truck graphics still have the cross in there somewhere. If I had to guess, I'd say they have no intention of ditching the cross and are just waiting out the current SJW frenzy and will bring it back fully at some point. I honestly can't see one of the most iconic brands in skating ditching one of the most iconic logos in skating.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 27, 2021, 01:10:24 PM
My suspicion is that Indy is softly retiring the iron cross logo. Mayb it won't be front and center in multiple locations on every single Independent Trucks product, but it'll still be around alongside some of their newer logos
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on March 27, 2021, 06:46:54 PM
Quote from: mbam003 on March 26, 2021, 05:54:30 AM
Quote from: chimps on March 26, 2021, 12:14:50 AM
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didn't want to make a new thread to ask but does indy make trucks without the cross logo on the baseplates now? at least partially? grabbed some indy reynolds 139s and noticed the cross isn't there. legit? fake? ordered them from the big zooooooomz

looks exactly like this:

(https://www.bulletstore.cl/900-large_default/trucks-independent-modelo-stage-11-hollow-reynolds-block-silver.jpg)
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Raw standards don't have a cross on the baseplate recently. Mids logo doesn't have a cross on it (the baseplates do though). They even proposed some Indy logos without the cross on Instagram not too long ago.
Got some Ti149 months ago without the cross too. I like the old vibe of it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jtrpma on March 27, 2021, 07:02:41 PM
on that picture you can see the cross very faintly
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Numeral on March 27, 2021, 08:05:44 PM

are Indy standard stage 10s decent compared to current Indys?? I found a pair of 149s that were sitting in a box for ages unused.

currently setting them up on a barely used Anti-Hero eagle 8.5 with bones bearings equally old but still going and f4 conical fulls 53mm.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on March 27, 2021, 08:25:18 PM
Quote from: Numeral on March 27, 2021, 08:05:44 PM

are Indy standard stage 10s decent compared to current Indys?? I found a pair of 149s that were sitting in a box for ages unused.

currently setting them up on a barely used Anti-Hero eagle 8.5 with bones bearings equally old but still going and f4 conical fulls 53mm.

Turn is pretty sluggish compared with newer (or older) Indy's, but the baseplates don't explode like on Stage 9's, so that's a plus. And I think Bones bushings were designed specifically for Stage 10's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on March 28, 2021, 04:42:51 AM
Quote from: jtrpma on March 27, 2021, 07:02:41 PM
on that picture you can see the cross very faintly
Yep it's definitely still there.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on March 28, 2021, 05:12:05 AM
Quote from: jtrpma on March 27, 2021, 07:02:41 PM
on that picture you can see the cross very faintly
You're totally right, so they're photoshopping it but when you get them you have the cross? That would suck.
Btw I'll go check my Ti149 in case they just painted them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 28, 2021, 05:28:49 AM

I still haven't seen any come through anywhere I go that are the new ones without the cross, so I guess we have old stock here, but how's this for two posts, one no crosses in sight, the other... 

Then the third post, third pic with the new polished without the cross too (a few frames in - not the Thunders on the first frame) but all of these from current drops of stock in the last day or so.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CM6bLDrLdcL/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CM8wEf7ruAC/


https://www.instagram.com/p/CM5M9BkHpIi/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 28, 2021, 06:57:54 AM
Quote from: Numeral on March 27, 2021, 08:05:44 PM

are Indy standard stage 10s decent compared to current Indys?? I found a pair of 149s that were sitting in a box for ages unused.

currently setting them up on a barely used Anti-Hero eagle 8.5 with bones bearings equally old but still going and f4 conical fulls 53mm.

I did not enjoy the look or the turn of these trucks. I recommend ditching them on eBay and going with the Stage 11
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 28, 2021, 09:34:38 AM
Just wanted to share that somehow I broke my US Indy 169 baseplate. Only just noticed it this morning :v

(https://i.imgur.com/fHId1MV.jpg)

I have zero idea how this happened and it wasn't there last time I skated, so it must've happened then. No worries, I have spare baseplates anyhow.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LonleySk8er15 on March 28, 2021, 12:29:59 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 26, 2021, 04:03:13 PM
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Quote from: Lou Strux on March 26, 2021, 12:25:34 AM
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Quote from: chimps on March 26, 2021, 12:14:50 AM
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didn't want to make a new thread to ask but does indy make trucks without the cross logo on the baseplates now? at least partially? grabbed some indy reynolds 139s and noticed the cross isn't there. legit? fake? ordered them from the big zooooooomz

looks exactly like this:

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Looks pretty legit. The Big Z prolly ain’t dabbling in back door bootlegs, besides.
You can thank your friends at SLAP for having the iron cross removed.
May I say, I do believe it’s a better looking truck as result.
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Sure is legit as they have removed any mention or look of the cross, as per Lou Strux comment.

Funny now to think that it causes people to question whether or not they are legit.

I wonder if it will also now easier to spot the fakes as they will have the new versions (colourways) with the cross still on them from when they made them however long ago, or at least see how long it takes them to catch on.
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There are 6 crosses in that photo.
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Ha yes, but the whole thing with that logo being on the baseplate, or not being on the baseplate, was the main point.  Once the graphic is gone and the tags are removed, or more so on the standards with no other graphic to start with, they can say "What cross?" or whatever.
I just saw some hollow forged with the cross on the front removed, but the giant one bottom still there. Good one NHS, hiding all the visible crosses, but keeping a giant one hidden on underneath and close to the heart.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CBP on March 28, 2021, 01:29:36 PM
Ace bushings in Indys?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on March 28, 2021, 01:38:30 PM
Quote from: CBP on March 28, 2021, 01:29:36 PM
Ace bushings in Indys?

It's kind of a lateral move, once they're both broken in I found them pretty similar. Plus the stock Ace top is pretty tall for a set of Indy's, some people make it work though. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stlfromca on March 28, 2021, 04:08:58 PM
After riding indys for the last couple boards ive been wanting to skate a lighter truck again. I have a set of 5.2 venture hi laying around and remember not being stoked on the turn compared to Indy. I removed the factory washers and bushings to be replaced by bones hard. I set this up with some 56mm spirfire F4 97d so i put some 1/16 dooks risers on for good measure. Skated it on a parking block today and wow. Im sold on this setup. The turn is significantly better than before and I am happy with the lighter truck setup even with big 56mm wheels. Only change with this setup i anticipate would be removal of risers when i wear the wheels down a couple mm next board setup. Flat top washers are game changers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 28, 2021, 04:43:06 PM
Quote from: yourbreakfsat on March 28, 2021, 09:34:38 AM
Just wanted to share that somehow I broke my US Indy 169 baseplate. Only just noticed it this morning :v

(https://i.imgur.com/fHId1MV.jpg)

I have zero idea how this happened and it wasn't there last time I skated, so it must've happened then. No worries, I have spare baseplates anyhow.

Definitely a warranty thing - either contact your place of purchase, or send that pic along with any other info to NHS and you might get a baseplate in the mail.



Quote from: LonleySk8er15 on March 28, 2021, 12:29:59 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 26, 2021, 04:03:13 PM
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Ha yes, but the whole thing with that logo being on the baseplate, or not being on the baseplate, was the main point.  Once the graphic is gone and the tags are removed, or more so on the standards with no other graphic to start with, they can say "What cross?" or whatever.
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I just saw some hollow forged with the cross on the front removed, but the giant one bottom still there. Good one NHS, hiding all the visible crosses, but keeping a giant one hidden on underneath and close to the heart.


It is a funny one, but I think changing the front is easy compared to the whole underside of the forged plate!  :)

Not that it matters to me - the trucks turn and grind and hold up well, so I am happy with what I have.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 28, 2021, 04:46:14 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 28, 2021, 04:43:06 PM
Quote from: yourbreakfsat on March 28, 2021, 09:34:38 AM
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Just wanted to share that somehow I broke my US Indy 169 baseplate. Only just noticed it this morning :v

(https://i.imgur.com/fHId1MV.jpg)

I have zero idea how this happened and it wasn't there last time I skated, so it must've happened then. No worries, I have spare baseplates anyhow.
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Definitely a warranty thing - either contact your place of purchase, or send that pic along with any other info to NHS and you might get a baseplate in the mail.

It's all fine, these are second hand trucks I got about a year ago. Swapped the baseplate with another one I have and it's back to normal.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fhk on March 28, 2021, 05:57:36 PM
Anybody tried Thunder 161s on a 8.75?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hobochimp on March 28, 2021, 09:30:28 PM
Quote from: CBP on March 28, 2021, 01:29:36 PM
Ace bushings in Indys?

Recently I ran ace low bushings in some Indys and it was great. Best bushing experience I’ve had with indys
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CBP on March 29, 2021, 08:14:40 AM
Thanks guys
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 01, 2021, 05:45:07 PM
Quote from: hobochimp on March 28, 2021, 09:30:28 PM
Quote from: CBP on March 28, 2021, 01:29:36 PM
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Ace bushings in Indys?
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Recently I ran ace low bushings in some Indys and it was great. Best bushing experience I’ve had with indys

I didn't run the low bottoms but I do run ACE low tops + Regular bottoms in ANYTHING that comes stock with barrel bottoms: Indy/Mini Logo/Venture and they improve them all - Using that combo in Ventures was the only thing that made them skateable for me (note you can use the low bottom in Ventures just fine).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on April 01, 2021, 06:11:13 PM
Actually have ace tops in my Indy 169 right now too. With 97a barrel bottoms
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sonny Paluso on April 03, 2021, 12:47:07 AM
Indy 215 cut down to about 172 (9.25 axle). Hated the 215s, inspired by Dicola. Have yet to skate.

(https://i.ibb.co/FnK4cHL/IMG-20210314-004547-678.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FnK4cHL)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Diocletian on April 03, 2021, 09:43:23 AM
Sick man! I’ve always wanted to have a set of cut down 215’s after seeing that dicola video, too. No skill or resources to do such a thing, though. Is the geometry different on 215’s or do they still have the same as any other size stage 11?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 03, 2021, 10:15:39 AM
I could be wrong but I believe 215s and 109s have older Indy geometry. 215s Stage 4?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 03, 2021, 11:36:00 AM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on April 03, 2021, 10:15:39 AM
I could be wrong but I believe 215s and 109s have older Indy geometry. 215s Stage 4?

If you go by the NHS storefront, the Mids and 215s are the only trucks not listed as Stage XI..

The new MiD is 52mm tall and built on Independent legendary geometry with full size cushions for maximum turning action and comes in 129, 139, 144, 149, 159 sizes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sonny Paluso on April 03, 2021, 12:07:23 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on April 03, 2021, 09:43:23 AM
Sick man! I’ve always wanted to have a set of cut down 215’s after seeing that dicola video, too. No skill or resources to do such a thing, though. Is the geometry different on 215’s or do they still have the same as any other size stage 11?

You could do it. I did it with everything in that pic. Threaded the axle with a skate tool. Labor of love, take your time and enjoy the process.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on April 03, 2021, 12:31:09 PM
Quote from: Sonny Paluso on April 03, 2021, 12:07:23 PM
Quote from: Diocletian on April 03, 2021, 09:43:23 AM
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Sick man! I’ve always wanted to have a set of cut down 215’s after seeing that dicola video, too. No skill or resources to do such a thing, though. Is the geometry different on 215’s or do they still have the same as any other size stage 11?
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You could do it. I did it with everything in that pic. Threaded the axle with a skate tool. Labor of love, take your time and enjoy the process.

Threaded the excess axle with a skate tool? That deserves a gnar. How was your arm after that?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 03, 2021, 04:10:30 PM
Quote from: palelight on April 03, 2021, 12:31:09 PM
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Quote from: Diocletian on April 03, 2021, 09:43:23 AM
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Sick man! I’ve always wanted to have a set of cut down 215’s after seeing that dicola video, too. No skill or resources to do such a thing, though. Is the geometry different on 215’s or do they still have the same as any other size stage 11?
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You could do it. I did it with everything in that pic. Threaded the axle with a skate tool. Labor of love, take your time and enjoy the process.
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Threaded the excess axle with a skate tool? That deserves a gnar. How was your arm after that?

My guess is he has a strong forearm as it is... ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chris. on April 05, 2021, 01:37:12 PM
Film Trucks just showed up at Library Skateshop.  I wonder if there there is going to be more widespread distribution stateside?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skateandphotos on April 05, 2021, 01:42:24 PM
Quote from: Fhk hu on March 28, 2021, 05:57:36 PM
Anybody tried Thunder 161s on a 8.75?

Yeah I had it with a polar it was pretty nice defiantly need risers for anything over 55mm for wheels
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on April 06, 2021, 09:43:50 AM
Quote from: Xen on April 01, 2021, 05:45:07 PM
Quote from: hobochimp on March 28, 2021, 09:30:28 PM
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Quote from: CBP on March 28, 2021, 01:29:36 PM
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Ace bushings in Indys?
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Recently I ran ace low bushings in some Indys and it was great. Best bushing experience I’ve had with indys
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I didn't run the low bottoms but I do run ACE low tops + Regular bottoms in ANYTHING that comes stock with barrel bottoms: Indy/Mini Logo/Venture and they improve them all - Using that combo in Ventures was the only thing that made them skateable for me (note you can use the low bottom in Ventures just fine).

Adding on to this ace low bottoms and tops work in thunders as well. I also use the same for indy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on April 06, 2021, 03:39:26 PM
Set up some Krux K5 on an FA 8.375.
Previously went from Venture, to Indys, and then Thunders. Krux have a procrastinated turn. You’ll lean and they won’t turn immediately but once you’re about to wheelbite. I have some Ace bushings that I may swap over if they don’t break in yet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 06, 2021, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on April 06, 2021, 03:39:26 PM
Set up some Krux K5 on an FA 8.375.
Previously went from Venture, to Indys, and then Thunders. Krux have a procrastinated turn. You’ll lean and they won’t turn immediately but once you’re about to wheelbite. I have some Ace bushings that I may swap over if they don’t break in yet.

Yeah the new Krux are interesting because mine don’t turn that great (the delay you mentioned, though I feel it’s a lesser delay than the old krux) unless they are wobbly loose with bones softs in them, then they turn awesome for me. The old Krux don’t turn well for me at all no matter what I do to them (except putting Indy baseplates on, then they turn fine). I felt the delay less
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on April 06, 2021, 04:12:56 PM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on April 06, 2021, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on April 06, 2021, 03:39:26 PM
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Set up some Krux K5 on an FA 8.375.
Previously went from Venture, to Indys, and then Thunders. Krux have a procrastinated turn. You’ll lean and they won’t turn immediately but once you’re about to wheelbite. I have some Ace bushings that I may swap over if they don’t break in yet.
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Yeah the new Krux are interesting because mine don’t turn that great (the delay you mentioned, though I feel it’s a lesser delay than the old krux) unless they are wobbly loose with bones softs in them, then they turn awesome for me. The old Krux don’t turn well for me at all no matter what I do to them (except putting Indy baseplates on, then they turn fine). I felt the delay less

Almost bought old ones to compare. Going to give them a week worth of skating and I’ll fidget with them. I appreciate the weight but they are a bit annoying to turn in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 06, 2021, 07:35:48 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on April 06, 2021, 04:12:56 PM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on April 06, 2021, 04:01:38 PM
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Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on April 06, 2021, 03:39:26 PM
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Set up some Krux K5 on an FA 8.375.
Previously went from Venture, to Indys, and then Thunders. Krux have a procrastinated turn. You’ll lean and they won’t turn immediately but once you’re about to wheelbite. I have some Ace bushings that I may swap over if they don’t break in yet.
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Yeah the new Krux are interesting because mine don’t turn that great (the delay you mentioned, though I feel it’s a lesser delay than the old krux) unless they are wobbly loose with bones softs in them, then they turn awesome for me. The old Krux don’t turn well for me at all no matter what I do to them (except putting Indy baseplates on, then they turn fine). I felt the delay less
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Almost bought old ones to compare. Going to give them a week worth of skating and I’ll fidget with them. I appreciate the weight but they are a bit annoying to turn in.

For sure, it’s really bizarre because as soon as I tighten them even slightly tighter than wobbly, the turn becomes a problem again
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on April 07, 2021, 10:29:47 AM
Trucks were feeling slightly off, not too bad but the front truck felt a bit loose so I tightened it just a bit and then I tried tightening the back one up a bit to match up with the front one and it might have been the worst mistake ever. Now I’ve been tinkering with my trucks for the past half a week now, tightening them a little bit or loosening them a little bit to get them to feel just right but no adjustment feels good to me. Should have just left them as is. Truck tightness OCD kicking back in full effect. Wanted to post this in the things you’re not stoked on thread but felt this thread was more appropriate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on April 07, 2021, 10:54:13 AM
What's the word on Indy Titanium? I'm feeling the truck madness seep in again after going from Thunder to Venture, love the slide but finding the right popping point and matching deck is tough. Thinking of 144 Titanium.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 07, 2021, 10:57:14 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on April 07, 2021, 10:54:13 AM
What's the word on Indy Titanium? I'm feeling the truck madness seep in again after going from Thunder to Venture, love the slide but finding the right popping point and matching deck is tough. Thinking of 144 Titanium.

they good
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on April 07, 2021, 11:28:49 AM
Quote from: Noble Experiment on April 07, 2021, 10:29:47 AM
Trucks were feeling slightly off, not too bad but the front truck felt a bit loose so I tightened it just a bit and then I tried tightening the back one up a bit to match up with the front one and it might have been the worst mistake ever. Now I’ve been tinkering with my trucks for the past half a week now, tightening them a little bit or loosening them a little bit to get them to feel just right but no adjustment feels good to me. Should have just left them as is. Truck tightness OCD kicking back in full effect. Wanted to post this in the things you’re not stoked on thread but felt this thread was more appropriate.

If it's messing with you really bad you could adjust them at the end of a session when you won't be skating anymore that day. Then just hop on and keep them as is next session.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on April 07, 2021, 12:52:10 PM
I'm skating Film hollow kingpin 5.25 with clear stock bushings and bones top washers.
So far they're great, was used to them in a session or two
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on April 07, 2021, 03:24:17 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on April 07, 2021, 10:54:13 AM
What's the word on Indy Titanium? I'm feeling the truck madness seep in again after going from Thunder to Venture, love the slide but finding the right popping point and matching deck is tough. Thinking of 144 Titanium.

they're nice, but forged hollow are barely heavier and decently cheaper.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 07, 2021, 03:40:25 PM
Quote from: ballintoohard on April 07, 2021, 03:24:17 PM
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What's the word on Indy Titanium? I'm feeling the truck madness seep in again after going from Thunder to Venture, love the slide but finding the right popping point and matching deck is tough. Thinking of 144 Titanium.
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I've got an unused pair of 144 TI (mounted not skated) I'm sitting on, let me know! I'm holding out for the Ti Mids.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on April 07, 2021, 04:09:10 PM
The temperature is swinging wildly here in the pas couple weeks, from mid 30s to 80, and my trucks feel different every time I skate. I’m really fighting swapping bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SuperRupp on April 07, 2021, 05:09:48 PM
Indy just posted a photo of the mid baseplate on their IG story. No logo on them. No update on a forged or Ti version though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on April 07, 2021, 07:45:37 PM
Quote from: beandemon on April 07, 2021, 04:09:10 PM
The temperature is swinging wildly here in the pas couple weeks, from mid 30s to 80, and my trucks feel different every time I skate. I’m really fighting swapping bushings.

I started skating bones hards in my thunders for the Arizona summers because that 110 degree heat will turn your shit to mush real quick and that's been working for me. I'm about to get some new ones soon since it's already warming up out here and I'm still skating the ones I switched to last summer
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on April 08, 2021, 08:29:19 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on April 07, 2021, 07:45:37 PM
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The temperature is swinging wildly here in the pas couple weeks, from mid 30s to 80, and my trucks feel different every time I skate. I’m really fighting swapping bushings.
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I started skating bones hards in my thunders for the Arizona summers because that 110 degree heat will turn your shit to mush real quick and that's been working for me. I'm about to get some new ones soon since it's already warming up out here and I'm still skating the ones I switched to last summer

I was skating bones mediums on top during the winter, and they didn’t seem as temperature sensitive  as the Indy softs I’m riding now. They broke, though. The Indys shrink and just turn to stone below a certain temperature.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kevve on April 13, 2021, 06:21:08 PM
I have No 'hard' soap att home to fix the noise of My trucks. Does wax or liquid soap work?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 13, 2021, 07:43:35 PM
Wax the pivot itself.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jimgrude on April 14, 2021, 09:47:47 PM
Quote from: Kevve on April 13, 2021, 06:21:08 PM
I have No 'hard' soap att home to fix the noise of My trucks. Does wax or liquid soap work?
dish washing liquid works pretty well
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on April 17, 2021, 07:34:09 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on April 06, 2021, 03:39:26 PM
Set up some Krux K5 on an FA 8.375.
Previously went from Venture, to Indys, and then Thunders. Krux have a procrastinated turn. You’ll lean and they won’t turn immediately but once you’re about to wheelbite. I have some Ace bushings that I may swap over if they don’t break in yet.

Update:
Went to wax my pivot cups. They came off with the hangar.
I took them off the hangar and filled the NHS warranty. I still waxed the pivot part on the hangar and it made an astronomical difference. I’m assuming my pivot cups are defective, possibly.
They’re a faster more responsive truck, they feel like something between an Indy and Thunder. Instead of the usual Venture-esque turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Rubbrick on April 17, 2021, 08:53:29 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on April 17, 2021, 07:34:09 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on April 06, 2021, 03:39:26 PM
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Set up some Krux K5 on an FA 8.375.
Previously went from Venture, to Indys, and then Thunders. Krux have a procrastinated turn. You’ll lean and they won’t turn immediately but once you’re about to wheelbite. I have some Ace bushings that I may swap over if they don’t break in yet.
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Update:
Went to wax my pivot cups. They came off with the hangar.
I took them off the hangar and filled the NHS warranty. I still waxed the pivot part on the hangar and it made an astronomical difference. I’m assuming my pivot cups are defective, possibly.
They’re a faster more responsive truck, they feel like something between an Indy and Thunder. Instead of the usual Venture-esque turn.

I have some k5’s as well and have had that same experience with the sluggish turn. I’ll have to wax my pivots. How are the bushings now? Did you swap them out or are they fully broken in yet? I’ve ran krux bushings in my indys and I loved them, I definitely think they’re one of the best stock bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on April 17, 2021, 10:25:09 PM
Quote from: Rubbrick on April 17, 2021, 08:53:29 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on April 17, 2021, 07:34:09 PM
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Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on April 06, 2021, 03:39:26 PM
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Set up some Krux K5 on an FA 8.375.
Previously went from Venture, to Indys, and then Thunders. Krux have a procrastinated turn. You’ll lean and they won’t turn immediately but once you’re about to wheelbite. I have some Ace bushings that I may swap over if they don’t break in yet.
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Update:
Went to wax my pivot cups. They came off with the hangar.
I took them off the hangar and filled the NHS warranty. I still waxed the pivot part on the hangar and it made an astronomical difference. I’m assuming my pivot cups are defective, possibly.
They’re a faster more responsive truck, they feel like something between an Indy and Thunder. Instead of the usual Venture-esque turn.
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I have some k5’s as well and have had that same experience with the sluggish turn. I’ll have to wax my pivots. How are the bushings now? Did you swap them out or are they fully broken in yet? I’ve ran krux bushings in my indys and I loved them, I definitely think they’re one of the best stock bushings

It’s all still stock. I’ve been skating them for 13 days.
I ran the trucks flush and had to tighten them more. It does turn so much better. You should definitely try it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: The.Tran.Man on April 18, 2021, 04:24:22 PM
Weird discovery today, I have 2 set-ups with both 14' WB. My forged 5.2 Hi ventures have a smaller wheelbase than my cast 147 thunders. Anyone notice this as well? I always thought that forged plates extend the WB and that ventures generally have the longest WB when compared to other truck brands that it "should've" been a longer WB than the thunders.

Regardless, I've been loving how ventures feel for noseslides and I find the turn of them to be really good just by running them stock and using a flat top washer. I don't find them to be lacking in turn at all lol (I've ridden thunders religiously and have skated Ace 33's and 44's)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on April 18, 2021, 07:05:32 PM
Quote from: The.Tran.Man on April 18, 2021, 04:24:22 PM
Weird discovery today, I have 2 set-ups with both 14' WB. My forged 5.2 Hi ventures have a smaller wheelbase than my cast 147 thunders. Anyone notice this as well? I always thought that forged plates extend the WB and that ventures generally have the longest WB when compared to other truck brands that it "should've" been a longer WB than the thunders.

Regardless, I've been loving how ventures feel for noseslides and I find the turn of them to be really good just by running them stock and using a flat top washer. I don't find them to be lacking in turn at all lol (I've ridden thunders religiously and have skated Ace 33's and 44's)

Be careful friend-o, you're throwing everything we've ever held true out the window. Going to need a re-measure on that WB. Venture Forged should do +3.4 - 3.5", Thunder Cast should do 3.15".
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: numagik on April 18, 2021, 07:46:02 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on April 17, 2021, 10:25:09 PM
Quote from: Rubbrick on April 17, 2021, 08:53:29 PM
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Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on April 17, 2021, 07:34:09 PM
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Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on April 06, 2021, 03:39:26 PM
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Set up some Krux K5 on an FA 8.375.
Previously went from Venture, to Indys, and then Thunders. Krux have a procrastinated turn. You’ll lean and they won’t turn immediately but once you’re about to wheelbite. I have some Ace bushings that I may swap over if they don’t break in yet.
[close]

Update:
Went to wax my pivot cups. They came off with the hangar.
I took them off the hangar and filled the NHS warranty. I still waxed the pivot part on the hangar and it made an astronomical difference. I’m assuming my pivot cups are defective, possibly.
They’re a faster more responsive truck, they feel like something between an Indy and Thunder. Instead of the usual Venture-esque turn.
[close]

I have some k5’s as well and have had that same experience with the sluggish turn. I’ll have to wax my pivots. How are the bushings now? Did you swap them out or are they fully broken in yet? I’ve ran krux bushings in my indys and I loved them, I definitely think they’re one of the best stock bushings
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It’s all still stock. I’ve been skating them for 13 days.
I ran the trucks flush and had to tighten them more. It does turn so much better. You should definitely try it.
big fan of the k5s as well, had them about a month, also stock. i liked the old krux too though so ymmv.

i find it funny that the common complaint about krux is the delayed turn. its actually what brought me back to them. to me it feels more like a deadzone and because im generally shit at skating it has saved my ass more than once. im sure someone with abs or whatever would find it annoying but yeah i loved that about the old ones. the new ones feel a lot more responsive though.

also krux grind the best idk why they just do
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on April 19, 2021, 06:52:17 AM
I'm currently riding independent conical bushings in thunder 148 and it's absolutely perfect.
Found nothing about people doing that and didn't expect it to work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on April 19, 2021, 09:35:25 AM
Quote from: The.Tran.Man on April 18, 2021, 04:24:22 PM
Weird discovery today, I have 2 set-ups with both 14' WB. My forged 5.2 Hi ventures have a smaller wheelbase than my cast 147 thunders. Anyone notice this as well? I always thought that forged plates extend the WB and that ventures generally have the longest WB when compared to other truck brands that it "should've" been a longer WB than the thunders.

Regardless, I've been loving how ventures feel for noseslides and I find the turn of them to be really good just by running them stock and using a flat top washer. I don't find them to be lacking in turn at all lol (I've ridden thunders religiously and have skated Ace 33's and 44's)

should be noted that tightening trucks or changing bushings (or having the bushings compress over time) will make your WB a bit smaller.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: The.Tran.Man on April 19, 2021, 09:59:04 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on April 18, 2021, 07:05:32 PM
Quote from: The.Tran.Man on April 18, 2021, 04:24:22 PM
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Weird discovery today, I have 2 set-ups with both 14' WB. My forged 5.2 Hi ventures have a smaller wheelbase than my cast 147 thunders. Anyone notice this as well? I always thought that forged plates extend the WB and that ventures generally have the longest WB when compared to other truck brands that it "should've" been a longer WB than the thunders.

Regardless, I've been loving how ventures feel for noseslides and I find the turn of them to be really good just by running them stock and using a flat top washer. I don't find them to be lacking in turn at all lol (I've ridden thunders religiously and have skated Ace 33's and 44's)
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Be careful friend-o, you're throwing everything we've ever held true out the window. Going to need a re-measure on that WB. Venture Forged should do +3.4 - 3.5", Thunder Cast should do 3.15".

carpet 8' board and sanded down Girl G023 shape
I didn't take a pic of it but the measurements from axle to axle are listed below:
Thunder ~ 17.5'
Venture - 17'
I'm no expert in measuring stuff, but there's clearly a difference when I line up the axles of the back trucks
(https://i.imgur.com/lmbA7aL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YuMPABD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xoWgufk.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on April 19, 2021, 11:14:18 AM
Quote from: The.Tran.Man on April 19, 2021, 09:59:04 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on April 18, 2021, 07:05:32 PM
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Quote from: The.Tran.Man on April 18, 2021, 04:24:22 PM
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Weird discovery today, I have 2 set-ups with both 14' WB. My forged 5.2 Hi ventures have a smaller wheelbase than my cast 147 thunders. Anyone notice this as well? I always thought that forged plates extend the WB and that ventures generally have the longest WB when compared to other truck brands that it "should've" been a longer WB than the thunders.

Regardless, I've been loving how ventures feel for noseslides and I find the turn of them to be really good just by running them stock and using a flat top washer. I don't find them to be lacking in turn at all lol (I've ridden thunders religiously and have skated Ace 33's and 44's)
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Be careful friend-o, you're throwing everything we've ever held true out the window. Going to need a re-measure on that WB. Venture Forged should do +3.4 - 3.5", Thunder Cast should do 3.15".
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carpet 8' board and sanded down Girl G023 shape
I didn't take a pic of it but the measurements from axle to axle are listed below:
Thunder ~ 17.5'
Venture - 17'
I'm no expert in measuring stuff, but there's clearly a difference when I line up the axles of the back trucks
(https://i.imgur.com/lmbA7aL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YuMPABD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xoWgufk.jpg)
that carpet deck is listed as 14.25
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/carpet-company-blank-8-deck-multi_p147623

use tailors tape, if you cant clearly see where the inch starts then the whole thing is off.

dont even bother remeasuring, i wouldnt trust your accuracy based on these pictures alone. countless reputable posters have put this to bed already
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 19, 2021, 11:48:49 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on April 19, 2021, 06:52:17 AM
I'm currently riding independent conical bushings in thunder 148 and it's absolutely perfect.
Found nothing about people doing that and didn't expect it to work.

Plenty of us have...here's a small sampling from [searching] this thread.

Quote from: JugeL on January 06, 2021, 05:58:33 AM
I was a Thunder guy for 10 years. Lately been on other trucks to kind of test the field but other reason was that got annoyed because those stock bushings would get destroyed so fast. I ride my trucks stock loose and still those bushings would just explode.

Last set i rode, i changed Indy conical bushings which are same height but little wider and didn't have any problems with them.

Quote from: Xen on March 19, 2021, 01:25:05 PM
I switched to thunder hollow lights w/88a indy conical aftermarkets (broken in and sanded down top bushing) with sleeved washers, which, since the bottom sleeved washer is a bit thicker, brought them to the same exact height as stock thunder bottoms (!).


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on April 19, 2021, 12:02:13 PM
Quote from: Xen on April 19, 2021, 11:48:49 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on April 19, 2021, 06:52:17 AM
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I'm currently riding independent conical bushings in thunder 148 and it's absolutely perfect.
Found nothing about people doing that and didn't expect it to work.
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Plenty of us have...here's a small sampling from [searching] this thread.

Quote from: JugeL on January 06, 2021, 05:58:33 AM
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I was a Thunder guy for 10 years. Lately been on other trucks to kind of test the field but other reason was that got annoyed because those stock bushings would get destroyed so fast. I ride my trucks stock loose and still those bushings would just explode.

Last set i rode, i changed Indy conical bushings which are same height but little wider and didn't have any problems with them.
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Quote from: Xen on March 19, 2021, 01:25:05 PM
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I switched to thunder hollow lights w/88a indy conical aftermarkets (broken in and sanded down top bushing) with sleeved washers, which, since the bottom sleeved washer is a bit thicker, brought them to the same exact height as stock thunder bottoms (!).
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I stand corrected.

I will continue to educate myself as well as share my monthly earnings with organizations that do the same.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: The.Tran.Man on April 19, 2021, 12:26:49 PM
Quote from: off on April 19, 2021, 11:14:18 AM
Quote from: The.Tran.Man on April 19, 2021, 09:59:04 AM
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Quote from: rocklobster on April 18, 2021, 07:05:32 PM
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Quote from: The.Tran.Man on April 18, 2021, 04:24:22 PM
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Weird discovery today, I have 2 set-ups with both 14' WB. My forged 5.2 Hi ventures have a smaller wheelbase than my cast 147 thunders. Anyone notice this as well? I always thought that forged plates extend the WB and that ventures generally have the longest WB when compared to other truck brands that it "should've" been a longer WB than the thunders.

Regardless, I've been loving how ventures feel for noseslides and I find the turn of them to be really good just by running them stock and using a flat top washer. I don't find them to be lacking in turn at all lol (I've ridden thunders religiously and have skated Ace 33's and 44's)
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Be careful friend-o, you're throwing everything we've ever held true out the window. Going to need a re-measure on that WB. Venture Forged should do +3.4 - 3.5", Thunder Cast should do 3.15".
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carpet 8' board and sanded down Girl G023 shape
I didn't take a pic of it but the measurements from axle to axle are listed below:
Thunder ~ 17.5'
Venture - 17'
I'm no expert in measuring stuff, but there's clearly a difference when I line up the axles of the back trucks
(https://i.imgur.com/lmbA7aL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YuMPABD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xoWgufk.jpg)
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that carpet deck is listed as 14.25
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/carpet-company-blank-8-deck-multi_p147623

use tailors tape, if you cant clearly see where the inch starts then the whole thing is off.

dont even bother remeasuring, i wouldnt trust your accuracy based on these pictures alone. countless reputable posters have put this to bed already

appreciate the confirmation. like I said, i'm not an expert in measuring
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lloyd Braun on April 19, 2021, 02:39:03 PM
Lol, idk what you're talking about, shit looks like 14" to me. Doesn't matter if you can read the one or not, the end of the tape is on the center of the hole...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on April 19, 2021, 02:56:21 PM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on April 19, 2021, 02:39:03 PM
Lol, idk what you're talking about, shit looks like 14" to me. Doesn't matter if you can read the one or not, the end of the tape is on the center of the hole...

Yea but the end of the tape is the metal attachment thing and thats not always flush with where the measuring tape begins. We're talking a 1/8th or 1/4 of an inch here so even these things make a difference. You should measure starting from the 1 inch part of the measuring tape, press it flat against the board and then subtract 1 inch from the total. Not go vaguely from the end of the metal L shaped thing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: numagik on April 19, 2021, 03:04:42 PM
if it made that big of a difference i dont think theyd build buildings with those
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lloyd Braun on April 19, 2021, 03:39:52 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on April 19, 2021, 02:56:21 PM
Quote from: Lloyd Braun on April 19, 2021, 02:39:03 PM
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Lol, idk what you're talking about, shit looks like 14" to me. Doesn't matter if you can read the one or not, the end of the tape is on the center of the hole...
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Yea but the end of the tape is the metal attachment thing and thats not always flush with where the measuring tape begins. We're talking a 1/8th or 1/4 of an inch here so even these things make a difference. You should measure starting from the 1 inch part of the measuring tape, press it flat against the board and then subtract 1 inch from the total. Not go vaguely from the end of the metal L shaped thing.

That is built into tape measures so that you get the same measurement if you hook and pull the measurement, or if its butted up. It's usually 1/16"-1/8" but can grow with older/poor quality tapes. Upon further review, he does have the tape pushed in on the carpet, pulled out on the girl, potentially causing the 1/4" discrepancy. I would like to retract my previous comment and would have to agree a tailors tape would be a better tool here. Since we are looking for the most accurate measurement.

Shalom
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on April 22, 2021, 05:45:42 AM
A friend gave me an 8.5" with Thunder 149s ver. II and I'm enjoying it so far.

Had a disastrous experience with the old geometry 149ers where the wheelbite was so bad it would pitch me. Riding smallish (for me) older wheels on this and it hasn't been an issue on street. We'll see about transition and if I can say the same with fresh 54mm wheels. 

Turning is almost as good as my regular Venture 5.2 Highs and being so low I haven't had a single ghost pop. I still think I prefer a slightly narrower board but I'm going to fool around on this for a while.

TL;DR: I liked a 5 year old truck redesign.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kevve on April 22, 2021, 11:08:23 AM
How does risers affect the turn of a truck?

Will it turn more with risers or just lean more?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaleSr on April 22, 2021, 11:49:36 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/0V72vPH/8-DC2256-F-E748-495-B-A870-F63-D4979-E80-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0V72vPH)

I got a pair of the thrasher indys hollow 159s off some guy who sold a practically new complete for 40. Probably stole it, but my gf got me some kreper kingpins for Christmas and i put em on there. I love them so far
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on April 22, 2021, 01:15:15 PM
Quote from: DaleSr on April 22, 2021, 11:49:36 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/0V72vPH/8-DC2256-F-E748-495-B-A870-F63-D4979-E80-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0V72vPH)

I got a pair of the thrasher indys hollow 159s off some guy who sold a practically new complete for 40. Probably stole it, but my gf got me some kreper kingpins for Christmas and i put em on there. I love them so far

Damn your girl got you kreper kingpins? She's a keeper.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Easy Slider on April 22, 2021, 01:20:36 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on April 22, 2021, 01:15:15 PM
Quote from: DaleSr on April 22, 2021, 11:49:36 AM
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(https://i.ibb.co/0V72vPH/8-DC2256-F-E748-495-B-A870-F63-D4979-E80-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0V72vPH)

I got a pair of the thrasher indys hollow 159s off some guy who sold a practically new complete for 40. Probably stole it, but my gf got me some kreper kingpins for Christmas and i put em on there. I love them so far
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Damn your girl got you kreper kingpins? She's a kreper.

Fixed that for you
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 22, 2021, 02:55:15 PM
Quote from: Willie on April 22, 2021, 05:45:42 AM
A friend gave me an 8.5" with Thunder 149s ver. II and I'm enjoying it so far.

Had a disastrous experience with the old geometry 149ers where the wheelbite was so bad it would pitch me. Riding smallish (for me) older wheels on this and it hasn't been an issue on street. We'll see about transition and if I can say the same with fresh 54mm wheels. 

Turning is almost as good as my regular Venture 5.2 Highs and being so low I haven't had a single ghost pop. I still think I prefer a slightly narrower board but I'm going to fool around on this for a while.

TL;DR: I liked a 5 year old truck redesign.


I have quite a few older sets of trucks including some of those Thunders.

Coming from other taller trucks I ride medium to loose and bigger wheels, I found that risers were a must, even just the thin rubber ones made such a difference and I could skate them "normally" without getting wheelbite and actually being able to turn with them, running stock bushings and untouched kingpin nut.


Quote from: Kevve on April 22, 2021, 11:08:23 AM
How does risers affect the turn of a truck?

Will it turn more with risers or just lean more?


Having risers, even just 1mm thin rubber ones, or at most the 1/8 height with regular sized wheels makes a huge difference to everything, so yes you can turn a lot more without wheelbite stopping the turn, but that is combined with bushings that will allow the turn as well.

No use having any risers at all with crazy tight trucks that are a struggle to turn.

One thing I often don't say unless I am helping someone face to face, but what makes a big difference too is by putting more weight on the back truck as you turn, rather than the front truck.  If you have more weight on the front truck, you are going to wheelbite and stop, but more weight on the back truck and you are more likely to be able to turn well without wheelbite, or if you do have a bit, it will not stop you dead and more likely just slow you down a bit.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 23, 2021, 12:53:42 PM
Anybody know if Riptide Indy pivot cups will fit in Ace classics?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on April 23, 2021, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on April 23, 2021, 12:53:42 PM
Anybody know if Riptide Indy pivot cups will fit in Ace classics?
They will!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 23, 2021, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on April 23, 2021, 12:53:42 PM
Anybody know if Riptide Indy pivot cups will fit in Ace classics?

They do. Most cups will fit anything over time unless they are too big/tall.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 23, 2021, 01:29:09 PM
@Firebert @Xen TYSM
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on April 23, 2021, 02:05:07 PM
Quote from: Easy Slider on April 22, 2021, 01:20:36 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on April 22, 2021, 01:15:15 PM
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Quote from: DaleSr on April 22, 2021, 11:49:36 AM
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(https://i.ibb.co/0V72vPH/8-DC2256-F-E748-495-B-A870-F63-D4979-E80-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0V72vPH)

I got a pair of the thrasher indys hollow 159s off some guy who sold a practically new complete for 40. Probably stole it, but my gf got me some kreper kingpins for Christmas and i put em on there. I love them so far
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Damn your girl got you kreper kingpins? She's a kreper.
[close]

Fixed that for you


https://woodchucklaminates.com/collections/skateboard-blanks-and-hardware/products/kreper-grind-king-kingpin-old-school-vintage-skateboard-independent-w-allen-key
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IUTSM on April 23, 2021, 09:13:16 PM
I'd been riding the same set of 149s for I don't know how long and they were really comfortable but it was time to retire them. Getting closer to the axle and wearing down faster. Well, threw on a new set of hollow 159s with the bushings from the old 149s, no bushing caps and skated some curbs tonight. Never realized how much more comfortable grinding is with wider trucks. Super fun and happy about the change
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank on April 24, 2021, 11:27:40 AM
my back truck was squeaking hard, so i put wax in the pivot and also between the bushings and the metal and not only is the board silent now as expected(eerily so since i cleaned my bearings and they are dead silent rn as well), i'm not sure if i actually loosened them up, but it seems my ventures are now a good deal turnier? like almost squirrely. i quite like it, was pushing around the neighborhood today and they now pretty much turn like loose indys. pretty sick. i probably just loosened them up, but the sensation of the board being crazy silent and very squirrely all of a sudden together makes the whole setup feel very different in a good way. the trucks still maintained their stability for ollies.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 24, 2021, 01:16:48 PM
Quote from: IusedToSkateMore on April 23, 2021, 09:13:16 PM
I'd been riding the same set of 149s for I don't know how long and they were really comfortable but it was time to retire them. Getting closer to the axle and wearing down faster. Well, threw on a new set of hollow 159s with the bushings from the old 149s, no bushing caps and skated some curbs tonight. Never realized how much more comfortable grinding is with wider trucks. Super fun and happy about the change

Once you get used to 159+, it's kinda hard to go back, especially if you are curb crushing...wide but still super manageable (depending on how tech you get).

I'm dropping back down ot 149s tho, the chunky heft of the fucks with my small bag of flip tricks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on April 25, 2021, 08:23:14 AM
Those who ride Bones with Thunder- why? I’ve found mediums with no bottom and flat top washer are firmer than stock so I have to loosen the kingpin nut to the point where threads are showing and it grinds more. I don’t touch my stock kingpin nut normally.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 25, 2021, 08:29:01 AM
Quote from: ballintoohard on April 25, 2021, 08:23:14 AM
Those who ride Bones with Thunder- why? I’ve found mediums with no bottom and flat top washer are firmer than stock so I have to loosen the kingpin nut to the point where threads are showing and it grinds more. I don’t touch my stock kingpin nut normally.

For me, it’s that my thunder bushings take too long to break in in the winter when it’s super cold whereas bones don’t seem to be effected by the cold and don’t need break in time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ballintoohard on April 25, 2021, 01:02:18 PM
Thanks, I live in CA and it never really gets too hot or cold here and the stocks feel great after about 10 min
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on April 25, 2021, 10:15:39 PM
Quote from: Frank on April 24, 2021, 11:27:40 AM
my back truck was squeaking hard, so i put wax in the pivot and also between the bushings and the metal and not only is the board silent now as expected(eerily so since i cleaned my bearings and they are dead silent rn as well), i'm not sure if i actually loosened them up, but it seems my ventures are now a good deal turnier? like almost squirrely. i quite like it, was pushing around the neighborhood today and they now pretty much turn like loose indys. pretty sick. i probably just loosened them up, but the sensation of the board being crazy silent and very squirrely all of a sudden together makes the whole setup feel very different in a good way. the trucks still maintained their stability for ollies.

I’m sure it’s a mixture of both. You waxed the pivot so you turn more easily and chances are you didn’t tighten to the exact amount you were previously. Which is fine, now you have a turn that feels good to you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on April 26, 2021, 10:05:44 AM
Anyone ever skate venture 5.2 lows on an 8.5? If so how’d you like it?
Got 5.8s on a 8.5 now, but wanted to try something lower but stick with venture. Widest they make the lows is in 5.2 so I was just gonna try that out.
I know when Reynolds skated 8.5s he used 139s, and Nuge and Baca skate 8.5s with 139s too, and Corey Duffel in his setup videos says he skates 5.2 highs on an 8.5, so if all those dudes can skate 8.5s with 8 inch trucks it shouldn’t be too bad right?
I dunno, never skated 8.5s on anything smaller than 149s or 5.8s, so I’m curious to see what the advantages and disadvantages are.
Also, what’s the max wheel size you can skate on lows without any sort of hassle? 50mm? 51mm?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YungJugg on April 26, 2021, 10:20:13 AM
Quote from: Noble Experiment on April 26, 2021, 10:05:44 AM
Anyone ever skate venture 5.2 lows on an 8.5? If so how’d you like it?
Got 5.8s on a 8.5 now, but wanted to try something lower but stick with venture. Widest they make the lows is in 5.2 so I was just gonna try that out.
I know when Reynolds skated 8.5s he used 139s, and Nuge and Baca skate 8.5s with 139s too, and Corey Duffel in his setup videos says he skates 5.2 highs on an 8.5, so if all those dudes can skate 8.5s with 8 inch trucks it shouldn’t be too bad right?
I dunno, never skated 8.5s on anything smaller than 149s or 5.8s, so I’m curious to see what the advantages and disadvantages are.
Also, what’s the max wheel size you can skate on lows without any sort of hassle? 50mm? 51mm?

To add to the list, Tommy Sandoval also runs 7.6 Krux lows on a 8.125. For wheels everyone is different, but I got away with 52mm CFs on 5.0 lo but it was not ideal. I’d go with a classic shape, 51mm at most.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pops on April 26, 2021, 10:48:58 AM
How are the regular Tensors? I'm curious to try them but dont know what to expect...

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1855/9149/products/Tensor_Aluminum_Raw_New_All_Terrain_Geometry_Truck_1024x1024.jpg?v=1521495699)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on April 26, 2021, 06:39:25 PM
Quote from: pops on April 26, 2021, 10:48:58 AM
How are the regular Tensors? I'm curious to try them but dont know what to expect...

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1855/9149/products/Tensor_Aluminum_Raw_New_All_Terrain_Geometry_Truck_1024x1024.jpg?v=1521495699)

Grind and slide ok but the stock bushings are crap, way too soft without turning. Decent for the price, I think they are 360g so similar in weight to a Venture standard.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sometimeperhaps on April 26, 2021, 07:47:53 PM
So I'm running these Independent Stage 9 (I think) truck that I got from a friend. I swapped out the old hard bushing for some Doh Doh Mediums awhile back. After a session the bushings ended up like this. It seems like the cups are to small or the bushing are to wide?

(https://i.ibb.co/pQhFSdd/IMG-5945.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gd4KxJJ)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 26, 2021, 07:58:45 PM
Quote from: sometimeperhaps on April 26, 2021, 07:47:53 PM
So I'm running these Independent Stage 9 (I think) truck that I got from a friend. I swapped out the old hard bushing for some Doh Doh Mediums awhile back. After a session the bushings ended up like this. It seems like the cups are to small or the bushing are to wide?


Stage 9 have the two holes in the middle of the baseplate, Stage 10 and 11 do not and have a solid baseplate, but the cross on the front usually will indicate which one they are, eg single cross Stage 10, cross in circle Stage 11.  If they are forged baseplates, they will have the Stage number on the bottom in the big cross.

Looks like you need cylinder / barrel bottom washers at least, but the top ones often do that and it is not really a problem.

Do you have old stock washers from any trucks?  If so get them in there, or maybe get some bushings that have washers with them, eg the Indy ones.

The washers you have fit this shape (conical) but you need the bigger ones (cylinder) for Doh Dohs

Eg (colour is irrelevant, just the shape, but they come in both options usually):

(https://www.longboarderlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/images/products/products-indy-independent-truck-bushings-standard-conical-hard-94-black2.jpg)

(https://bonafidesupplystore.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/independentbushings92.jpg)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: topfrog10 on April 26, 2021, 09:09:54 PM
replaced my bushings today and as soon as i got on my board i noticed a really odd sound that almost sounds like a bearing ball not fully in all the way or something? didn't touch my wheels at all, but i did take the trucks off and put them on a new deck as well. trucks are venture 5.8 lights with dlx supercush purples, top n bottom washer. anyone know what this could be? was definitely not the squeaking sound of new bearings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bongwater Mojito on April 26, 2021, 11:34:09 PM
As people seem to write about bushings break-in time, and agreeably it seems to vary between brands, does someone know what actually causes the "break-in"? Because some factory treatment w/ silicone grease which needs to evaporate? Street dust going to surfaces and making them a bit dryer? Urethane changing form somehow? I've noticed that manually applying a coating of silicone grease converts almost any bushing to unskateable (at least for me) loose, and fixing that takes long time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 26, 2021, 11:38:19 PM
Quote from: topfrog10 on April 26, 2021, 09:09:54 PM
replaced my bushings today and as soon as i got on my board i noticed a really odd sound that almost sounds like a bearing ball not fully in all the way or something? didn't touch my wheels at all, but i did take the trucks off and put them on a new deck as well. trucks are venture 5.8 lights with dlx supercush purples, top n bottom washer. anyone know what this could be? was definitely not the squeaking sound of new bearings

If it is a rattling sound, that is often when the nut is not quite done up tightly enough on the kingpin (metal washers vibrating as you roll) or the washers are moving and making a clicking sound when you turn left and right which can be the metal washers moving against the kingpin or baseplate, or even the nut.

I have a board that the kingpins are loose in the sockets and they rattle a fair bit too, but I think you need to check how it is making noise or what it sounds like, eg if only when rolling, or just standing still and leaning heel to toe, etc?



Quote from: Bongwater Mojito on April 26, 2021, 11:34:09 PM
As people seem to write about bushings break-in time, and agreeably it seems to vary between brands, does someone know what actually causes the "break-in"? Because some factory treatment w/ silicone grease which needs to evaporate? Street dust going to surfaces and making them a bit dryer? Urethane changing form somehow? I've noticed that manually applying a coating of silicone grease converts almost any bushing to unskateable (at least for me) loose, and fixing that takes long time.


I guess a lot of people are different, as well as some bushing brands will vary as well, combined with how much people tighten them down - too much too soon and you often "break" them more so than "break them in" so to speak.

Without doing too much to them, I usually ride the Indy 92 and they are pretty much perfect from go, but I do spend the first session or two just carving around more so than doing anything else, as well as riding what might be considered fairly loose trucks.

Others I know who ride tighter trucks often break them or they end up blowing out if they set them up and just go hard right away.

Doing things like putting silicone or other things on them might work, but I think as you find they can become more slippery and in turn feel very loose, but I am not a scientist so would not know the properties of that side of things.

About the only thing I do is a drop of lubricant or tiny bit of WD40 in the pivot cup if they are squeaking and they are usually fine after that.

I am not going to say which brands I didn't like as others have their own experiences with them, but seem to recall too, from helping people with some brands of bushings, they just don't' seem to break in much at all and don't bounce back in the way that bushings should, given they are urethane and should be squashy but also return to their original form after being pushed this way and that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bongwater Mojito on April 26, 2021, 11:59:07 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on April 26, 2021, 11:38:19 PM
About the only thing I do is a drop of lubricant or tiny bit of WD40 in the pivot cup if they are squeaking and they are usually fine after that.

I am not going to say which brands I didn't like as others have their own experiences with them, but seem to recall too, from helping people with some brands of bushings, they just don't' seem to break in much at all and don't bounce back in the way that bushings should, given they are urethane and should be squashy but also return to their original form after being pushed this way and that.

Yeah, same here with the pivot cups and squeaking. Speaking mostly about "factory setting" of kingpin nut here. Some bushings (again, variety of durometer and brands) feel very numb for first sessions, some get stuck after turning, for most it takes some patience in form of carve sessions to get things right. Then there are bushings/trucks which mostly feel functional from the beginning. I can recall maybe one or two cases when I had to give up with aftermarkets because just couldn't get them to settle. Just wondering what are the factors in play.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 27, 2021, 04:35:12 AM
Quote from: Bongwater Mojito on April 26, 2021, 11:59:07 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on April 26, 2021, 11:38:19 PM
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About the only thing I do is a drop of lubricant or tiny bit of WD40 in the pivot cup if they are squeaking and they are usually fine after that.

I am not going to say which brands I didn't like as others have their own experiences with them, but seem to recall too, from helping people with some brands of bushings, they just don't' seem to break in much at all and don't bounce back in the way that bushings should, given they are urethane and should be squashy but also return to their original form after being pushed this way and that.
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Yeah, same here with the pivot cups and squeaking. Speaking mostly about "factory setting" of kingpin nut here. Some bushings (again, variety of durometer and brands) feel very numb for first sessions, some get stuck after turning, for most it takes some patience in form of carve sessions to get things right. Then there are bushings/trucks which mostly feel functional from the beginning. I can recall maybe one or two cases when I had to give up with aftermarkets because just couldn't get them to settle. Just wondering what are the factors in play.

The two main issues I see are bushings that are too hard, or bushings that are too soft.

Too hard - cannot run the trucks loose enough so the kingpin nut is barely on, cannot turn, etc.

Too soft - cannot get them tight enough no matter how much they are screwed down, wheelbite death, crushed or blown out bushings.


Everyone rides them differently, so there is no set formula as to what works best, given I have two friends who are complete opposites for this example, one big heavy dude who rides super loose and always takes out the metal washers just to have them loose enough, vs another small light weight guy who always struggles to get the trucks done up tight enough for what he wants, they don't turn or bounce back like they are supposed to and the bushings are often replaced a lot more than the big guy does.  I also know lots of big dudes who struggle to get the trucks tight enough and lots of light weights who struggle to get the trucks loose enough, so each case is different.

I have found what works best for me, slightly harder bushings (Indy 92 duro) with low heads, so I can get the nut nicely on and still have them loose enough to turn but they are firm enough to not bottom out and wheelbite easily.



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pops on April 28, 2021, 10:45:14 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on April 26, 2021, 06:39:25 PM
Quote from: pops on April 26, 2021, 10:48:58 AM
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How are the regular Tensors? I'm curious to try them but dont know what to expect...

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1855/9149/products/Tensor_Aluminum_Raw_New_All_Terrain_Geometry_Truck_1024x1024.jpg?v=1521495699)
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Grind and slide ok but the stock bushings are crap, way too soft without turning. Decent for the price, I think they are 360g so similar in weight to a Venture standard.

Thanks a lot. Any recommendations for bushings to use in Tensors?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on April 28, 2021, 11:16:00 AM
Quote from: pops on April 28, 2021, 10:45:14 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on April 26, 2021, 06:39:25 PM
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Quote from: pops on April 26, 2021, 10:48:58 AM
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How are the regular Tensors? I'm curious to try them but dont know what to expect...

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1855/9149/products/Tensor_Aluminum_Raw_New_All_Terrain_Geometry_Truck_1024x1024.jpg?v=1521495699)
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Grind and slide ok but the stock bushings are crap, way too soft without turning. Decent for the price, I think they are 360g so similar in weight to a Venture standard.
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Thanks a lot. Any recommendations for bushings to use in Tensors?

No idea, I have 1 friend who swears by them and he will skate the jankiest setups and has been riding the stock bushing since day 1.

Tensors perform fine the for the price ($30-ish) but you can do much better for a bit more. Skate Warehouse is going $32 for a pair of Royals and $40 for Indys with the latter being a much better truck (Tier-1 versus Tier-2 truck brand).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 28, 2021, 11:18:56 AM
Quote from: pops on April 28, 2021, 10:45:14 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on April 26, 2021, 06:39:25 PM
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Quote from: pops on April 26, 2021, 10:48:58 AM
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How are the regular Tensors? I'm curious to try them but dont know what to expect...

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1855/9149/products/Tensor_Aluminum_Raw_New_All_Terrain_Geometry_Truck_1024x1024.jpg?v=1521495699)
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Grind and slide ok but the stock bushings are crap, way too soft without turning. Decent for the price, I think they are 360g so similar in weight to a Venture standard.
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Thanks a lot. Any recommendations for bushings to use in Tensors?

For ATGs, Bones.

The Stock bushings I found to be much too hard (I'm 180lbs) they supposedly are 90a duro but feel hard as fuck...also the specially designed interlocking top bushing made it feel like it didn't want to turn (let alone snap back to center); top washer also binds. For loose trucks these just didn't work.

I like loose trucks and found bones softs (top and bottom), no bottom washer, bones top washer to be the best for me (for slappy days) but they bottom out/get soft REAL fast. I also roll broken in mediums and really enjoy them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jay_nev on April 28, 2021, 01:59:25 PM
I like the stock ATG bushings, interlocking and all. I am 200lbs. Haven't ridden em in a bit though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dwyck on April 28, 2021, 06:50:56 PM
ive got the thunder 151s, stock with risers on a 8.5 14.25 quasi proto. Krux made the board feel really short. It started out as my mess around monster truck board but once I got back into the turn Ive been skating a lot of stuff with em, and also just ollieing curb cuts w my bag on. they're really light for their size and it's easier to be consistent. an uninterrupted thunder turn is absolutely beautiful in the street, and I never get pitched landing tricks bad or toe dragging. my wheels are tiny F4s (53 conical fulls that have shrunk into the forties) so i do hit rocks.
finding boards for them may prove difficult, but I've been lurking WBSWB

I'm probably going to retire my indy standards for a bit. I'm drawn to the lighter and lower options from indy but weight and height don't bug me as much as wheelbite and just getting pitched cause your board's turning away from you. the things i like about the design (the turn, the depth you get popping or locking into noseslides) feel more like a novelty than a necessity. I have learned a bunch of tricks this year on my indies though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 28, 2021, 07:47:31 PM
Enjoy those 151s @dwyck

They will get better and better as they age. Last set of trucks I ground to axle and cracked bc they were so far gone with 151s. Felt good until the end. Stock bushings and regular plates. A sacred pair of trucks that Jim T sent to me when they first came out. Still got them in my spare part box.

Alas, I am now on the Ace wagon and the contrast between Thunder and Ace is too jarring for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HyenaChaser on April 29, 2021, 01:35:30 PM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on April 28, 2021, 07:47:31 PM
Enjoy those 151s @dwyck

They will get better and better as they age. Last set of trucks I ground to axle and cracked bc they were so far gone with 151s. Felt good until the end. Stock bushings and regular plates. A sacred pair of trucks that Jim T sent to me when they first came out. Still got them in my spare part box.

Alas, I am now on the Ace wagon and the contrast between Thunder and Ace is too jarring for me.

Can you expand on your experience?

I currently "know control" but I'm intrigued by "loose trucks save lives"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: RossDailey on May 01, 2021, 02:16:13 PM
Currently riding Indy Hollow 144s & I'm looking to shorten my wheelbase .
(yes I know this can be done by deck size, but I have my shape dialed & I have a stack of them)

So what trucks will shorten / lengthen a wheelbase ?
(I assume by the kingpin geometry)

I'm sure one of you guys knows.

(I've searched this thread n haven't quite found a specific answer to this question.)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on May 01, 2021, 02:49:56 PM
Quote from: RossDailey on May 01, 2021, 02:16:13 PM
Currently riding Indy Hollow 144s & I'm looking to shorten my wheelbase .
(yes I know this can be done by deck size, but I have my shape dialed & I have a stack of them)

So what trucks will shorten / lengthen a wheelbase ?
(I assume by the kingpin geometry)

I'm sure one of you guys knows.

(I've searched this thread n haven't quite found a specific answer to this question.)

Ace 44 Classics will shorten them the most from from an Indy 144. The newer AF1 44 a will be marginally smaller wheelbase than a 144. Film 5.5 will shorten the WB somewhere between the Classic and AF1. Indy cast 144 might be a slightly shorter wb (1/8" max), but there's a lot of conflicting data on that one.

Also, maybe Krux? I feel like they're a tighter WB than Indy but I don't know any details about them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 01, 2021, 07:21:53 PM
Quote from: HyenaChaser on April 29, 2021, 01:35:30 PM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on April 28, 2021, 07:47:31 PM
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Enjoy those 151s @dwyck

They will get better and better as they age. Last set of trucks I ground to axle and cracked bc they were so far gone with 151s. Felt good until the end. Stock bushings and regular plates. A sacred pair of trucks that Jim T sent to me when they first came out. Still got them in my spare part box.

Alas, I am now on the Ace wagon and the contrast between Thunder and Ace is too jarring for me.
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Can you expand on your experience?

I currently "know control" but I'm intrigued by "loose trucks save lives"

not much more to say but Team 151s with stock bushings on 1/8" risers was a really nice all round truck for me. I rode them on everything from 8.5" popsicles to 9.25" shaped boards. Street, vert, bowl, hills.... stable when you want them to be but a nice sharp and quick turn... very nice grind and very light for their size.

Very different feel to Ace... On the Thunders my olllies and flip tricks took more effort but the results seemed better...

I'm mostly on Ace these days b/c of that deeper magic turn but I will always have soft spot for the 151 Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: RossDailey on May 02, 2021, 12:23:52 AM
Quote from: palelight on May 01, 2021, 02:49:56 PM
Quote from: RossDailey on May 01, 2021, 02:16:13 PM
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Currently riding Indy Hollow 144s & I'm looking to shorten my wheelbase .
(yes I know this can be done by deck size, but I have my shape dialed & I have a stack of them)

So what trucks will shorten / lengthen a wheelbase ?
(I assume by the kingpin geometry)

I'm sure one of you guys knows.

(I've searched this thread n haven't quite found a specific answer to this question.)
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Ace 44 Classics will shorten them the most from from an Indy 144. The newer AF1 44 a will be marginally smaller wheelbase than a 144. Film 5.5 will shorten the WB somewhere between the Classic and AF1. Indy cast 144 might be a slightly shorter wb (1/8" max), but there's a lot of conflicting data on that one.

Also, maybe Krux? I feel like they're a tighter WB than Indy but I don't know any details about them.

Ace Trucks was what I read & you have confirmed.

Thank You Sir
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: switchfrontshuv on May 02, 2021, 04:01:46 AM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on May 01, 2021, 07:21:53 PM
Quote from: HyenaChaser on April 29, 2021, 01:35:30 PM
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Enjoy those 151s @dwyck

They will get better and better as they age. Last set of trucks I ground to axle and cracked bc they were so far gone with 151s. Felt good until the end. Stock bushings and regular plates. A sacred pair of trucks that Jim T sent to me when they first came out. Still got them in my spare part box.

Alas, I am now on the Ace wagon and the contrast between Thunder and Ace is too jarring for me.
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Can you expand on your experience?

I currently "know control" but I'm intrigued by "loose trucks save lives"
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not much more to say but Team 151s with stock bushings on 1/8" risers was a really nice all round truck for me. I rode them on everything from 8.5" popsicles to 9.25" shaped boards. Street, vert, bowl, hills.... stable when you want them to be but a nice sharp and quick turn... very nice grind and very light for their size.

Very different feel to Ace... On the Thunders my olllies and flip tricks took more effort but the results seemed better...

I'm mostly on Ace these days b/c of that deeper magic turn but I will always have soft spot for the 151 Thunders.

I can confirm this but with team 149s with 1/8 risers and no bottom washer + 147 shorter bottom bushing (makes the truck a bit less tall so that with the riser its like 54-55mm).
Complete heaven on 8.25 decks since its so light for an 8.5 truck but also nice and wide so I get great pinch and stability. Crazy how I find myself skating faster on these compared to the 44s I had earlier, too squirrelly! The turn does max out on thunders but the risers get rid of that (I feel like once you get above or at 54mm height)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kevve on May 02, 2021, 04:55:02 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on April 22, 2021, 02:55:15 PM
Quote from: Willie on April 22, 2021, 05:45:42 AM
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A friend gave me an 8.5" with Thunder 149s ver. II and I'm enjoying it so far.

Had a disastrous experience with the old geometry 149ers where the wheelbite was so bad it would pitch me. Riding smallish (for me) older wheels on this and it hasn't been an issue on street. We'll see about transition and if I can say the same with fresh 54mm wheels. 

Turning is almost as good as my regular Venture 5.2 Highs and being so low I haven't had a single ghost pop. I still think I prefer a slightly narrower board but I'm going to fool around on this for a while.

TL;DR: I liked a 5 year old truck redesign.
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I have quite a few older sets of trucks including some of those Thunders.

Coming from other taller trucks I ride medium to loose and bigger wheels, I found that risers were a must, even just the thin rubber ones made such a difference and I could skate them "normally" without getting wheelbite and actually being able to turn with them, running stock bushings and untouched kingpin nut.


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How does risers affect the turn of a truck?

Will it turn more with risers or just lean more?
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Having risers, even just 1mm thin rubber ones, or at most the 1/8 height with regular sized wheels makes a huge difference to everything, so yes you can turn a lot more without wheelbite stopping the turn, but that is combined with bushings that will allow the turn as well.

No use having any risers at all with crazy tight trucks that are a struggle to turn.

One thing I often don't say unless I am helping someone face to face, but what makes a big difference too is by putting more weight on the back truck as you turn, rather than the front truck.  If you have more weight on the front truck, you are going to wheelbite and stop, but more weight on the back truck and you are more likely to be able to turn well without wheelbite, or if you do have a bit, it will not stop you dead and more likely just slow you down a bit.

Brimson my man, thanks for the weight distribution tip! Makes so much sense, i've had two bad cases of wheelbite a month ago where i just got totally rekt. The first one i landed front heavy for sure. Maybe you've saved my life haha.

Alot of ground down noping at our local which i was just rolling over with bigger wheels, switched back to the happy medium 53s & shockpads to combat wheelbite paranoia. Saving the big wheels for a future cruiser setup instead.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mbam003 on May 03, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
How are the Indy 78A extra soft white replacement bushings? Do they wheelbite to death?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on May 03, 2021, 12:30:59 PM
Quote from: mbam003 on May 03, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
How are the Indy 78A extra soft white replacement bushings? Do they wheelbite to death?

Well yeah, in my experience they are a bit too soft (180 lbs here). But if you use the 78A as a bottom bushing and for the top bushing like a 90A it is a nice turn and they get back to center quick, while also being kinda stable.

But yeah 78A can also give you scary wheelbites.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 03, 2021, 02:43:35 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on May 03, 2021, 12:30:59 PM
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How are the Indy 78A extra soft white replacement bushings? Do they wheelbite to death?
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Well yeah, in my experience they are a bit too soft (180 lbs here). But if you use the 78A as a bottom bushing and for the top bushing like a 90A it is a nice turn and they get back to center quick, while also being kinda stable.

But yeah 78A can also give you scary wheelbites.

I've tried them twice, once around 160lbs in Stage I ACEs, they got DESTROYED (so did the white Khiros). and once around 180lbs, wheelbite city.

I use the 88a aftermarkets (in conical a bit more twitchy than barrels) or the 88a DLX Bait and Tackles (clear).

Anything below 88 is a death sentence for me and why I can never get thunders loose enough...at 90a stock I wheebite...like the dual duro ace combo in indy I find I like:

Bones Med Bottom/Hard Top (prefer bones soft bottom, medium top but two sessions in and the bones softs are playdough)

Indy after market 88/90a bottom 94/96a top

But, it also depends on what I'm skating terrain wise.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cthulhu! on May 03, 2021, 03:25:07 PM
Quote from: mbam003 on May 03, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
How are the Indy 78A extra soft white replacement bushings? Do they wheelbite to death?
I didn't like them, felt too mushy and unresponsive. They didn't get my trucks as loose as I had hoped either, though I'm at 135lbs. The first set I tried out split in one curb session. Seriously. I thought maybe they were bad, got another set but the same thing happened. After a few days they fell apart.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on May 03, 2021, 04:24:44 PM
Quote from: Cthulhu! on May 03, 2021, 03:25:07 PM
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How are the Indy 78A extra soft white replacement bushings? Do they wheelbite to death?
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I didn't like them, felt too mushy and unresponsive. They didn't get my trucks as loose as I had hoped either, though I'm at 135lbs. The first set I tried out split in one curb session. Seriously. I thought maybe they were bad, got another set but the same thing happened. After a few days they fell apart.

Same. Chunked out in a matter of days. It felt like they just make a set of Indy's flop around side-to-side without improving the turn. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 03, 2021, 05:26:46 PM
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I didn't like them, felt too mushy and unresponsive. They didn't get my trucks as loose as I had hoped either, though I'm at 135lbs. The first set I tried out split in one curb session. Seriously. I thought maybe they were bad, got another set but the same thing happened. After a few days they fell apart.
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Same. Chunked out in a matter of days. It felt like they just make a set of Indy's flop around side-to-side without improving the turn.

Definitely way too soft for most, but kids ride them and one tiny dude loves them, even if they are a bit tight for him, so I guess that is more the market.

They have never split or had issues for the guys I know skating them, but being kids or super light weight, they work best, and these guys go hard too, not just beginners or cruiser type skating, but I have also cut down a few sets to make them fit more and get them even looser than they ride when standard height too.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 03, 2021, 05:50:04 PM
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How are the Indy 78A extra soft white replacement bushings? Do they wheelbite to death?
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I didn't like them, felt too mushy and unresponsive. They didn't get my trucks as loose as I had hoped either, though I'm at 135lbs. The first set I tried out split in one curb session. Seriously. I thought maybe they were bad, got another set but the same thing happened. After a few days they fell apart.
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Same. Chunked out in a matter of days. It felt like they just make a set of Indy's flop around side-to-side without improving the turn.
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Definitely way too soft for most, but kids ride them and one tiny dude loves them, even if they are a bit tight for him, so I guess that is more the market.

They have never split or had issues for the guys I know skating them, but being kids or super light weight, they work best, and these guys go hard too, not just beginners or cruiser type skating, but I have also cut down a few sets to make them fit more and get them even looser than they ride when standard height too.



Yeah, it's totally by weight one should pick their bushing duro based on desired level of loose/tight; most don't and just crank it down or ride wobbly loose. I'd rather have hard bushings to get a tight truck feel, but it is harder to get a loose truck feel with soft bushings which is why wobbly loose is better that mush loose.

Mostly longboard bushings, but the cover bones/indy/thunder/doh doh:

https://stokedrideshop.com/blogs/knowledge/the-ultimate-bushing-calculator

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Plan9Customs on May 03, 2021, 07:17:53 PM
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I didn't like them, felt too mushy and unresponsive. They didn't get my trucks as loose as I had hoped either, though I'm at 135lbs. The first set I tried out split in one curb session. Seriously. I thought maybe they were bad, got another set but the same thing happened. After a few days they fell apart.
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Same. Chunked out in a matter of days. It felt like they just make a set of Indy's flop around side-to-side without improving the turn.
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Definitely way too soft for most, but kids ride them and one tiny dude loves them, even if they are a bit tight for him, so I guess that is more the market.

They have never split or had issues for the guys I know skating them, but being kids or super light weight, they work best, and these guys go hard too, not just beginners or cruiser type skating, but I have also cut down a few sets to make them fit more and get them even looser than they ride when standard height too.
I ride the Indy super softs with 2 top bushings and the top shaved down 3/16” - 1/4”. Think Sacto loose aka Matt, Snaggle, Curtis, Winsor style. I’ve had the same ones in for the year and a half with no issues at all. I’m a medium sized guy(6’ 160ish) and they get bashed into curbs every weekend for a minimum of 5 hours. Tried Bones softs and those would blow out consistently. The worst was 5 minutes into a session. BTW truck/wheel height isn’t a huge issue. I’ve run 56mm on Indy hollows, no risers, on my skate to spots boards as well as Indy hollows with 53s. If you’re used to loose trucks, wheel bite isn’t really an issue unless you’re going snail pace.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y6mAYuGeTEg
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on May 03, 2021, 07:24:27 PM
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I didn't like them, felt too mushy and unresponsive. They didn't get my trucks as loose as I had hoped either, though I'm at 135lbs. The first set I tried out split in one curb session. Seriously. I thought maybe they were bad, got another set but the same thing happened. After a few days they fell apart.
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Same. Chunked out in a matter of days. It felt like they just make a set of Indy's flop around side-to-side without improving the turn.
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Definitely way too soft for most, but kids ride them and one tiny dude loves them, even if they are a bit tight for him, so I guess that is more the market.

They have never split or had issues for the guys I know skating them, but being kids or super light weight, they work best, and these guys go hard too, not just beginners or cruiser type skating, but I have also cut down a few sets to make them fit more and get them even looser than they ride when standard height too.
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I ride the Indy super softs with 2 top bushings and the top shaved down 3/16” - 1/4”. Think Sacto loose aka Matt, Snaggle, Curtis, Winsor style. I’ve had the same ones in for the year and a half with no issues at all. I’m a medium sized guy(6’ 160ish) and they get bashed into curbs every weekend for a minimum of 5 hours. Tried Bones softs and those would blow out consistently. The worst was 5 minutes into a session. BTW truck/wheel height isn’t a huge issue. I’ve run 56mm on Indy hollows, no risers, on my skate to spots boards as well as Indy hollows with 53s. If you’re used to loose trucks, wheel bite isn’t really an issue unless you’re going snail pace.

Probably I got some duds then. Indy 88 and 90 aftermarkets always lasted me through multiple sets of trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Plan9Customs on May 03, 2021, 07:28:31 PM
Yeah, sounds that way.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 03, 2021, 07:32:47 PM
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I didn't like them, felt too mushy and unresponsive. They didn't get my trucks as loose as I had hoped either, though I'm at 135lbs. The first set I tried out split in one curb session. Seriously. I thought maybe they were bad, got another set but the same thing happened. After a few days they fell apart.
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Same. Chunked out in a matter of days. It felt like they just make a set of Indy's flop around side-to-side without improving the turn.
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Definitely way too soft for most, but kids ride them and one tiny dude loves them, even if they are a bit tight for him, so I guess that is more the market.

They have never split or had issues for the guys I know skating them, but being kids or super light weight, they work best, and these guys go hard too, not just beginners or cruiser type skating, but I have also cut down a few sets to make them fit more and get them even looser than they ride when standard height too.
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I ride the Indy super softs with 2 top bushings and the top shaved down 3/16” - 1/4”. Think Sacto loose aka Matt, Snaggle, Curtis, Winsor style. I’ve had the same ones in for the year and a half with no issues at all. I’m a medium sized guy(6’ 160ish) and they get bashed into curbs every weekend for a minimum of 5 hours. Tried Bones softs and those would blow out consistently. The worst was 5 minutes into a session. BTW truck/wheel height isn’t a huge issue. I’ve run 56mm on Indy hollows, no risers, on my skate to spots boards as well as Indy hollows with 53s. If you’re used to loose trucks, wheel bite isn’t really an issue unless you’re going snail pace.
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Probably I got some duds then. Indy 88 and 90 aftermarkets always lasted me through multiple sets of trucks.

Maybe try the warranty option.  I know it might sound not worth it for bushings only being cheap, but anything that breaks or falls apart in a short time makes people think twice before they get it again, or stay away from that brand in general in the future if they have had a bad experience.

It is always a funny thing how Indy, Bones and a couple of others have minimal difference between the regular bushings, eg 88, 90, 92, 94 and 96 but the soft option is so much softer 78 on the duro scale.


I am always amazed and in awe of anyone who can ride the "almost no bushings" trucks, even if people I know get on my board and say it is too loose for them, but mine are still very stable compared to things like that video.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on May 07, 2021, 01:33:20 PM
Quote from: pops on April 26, 2021, 10:48:58 AM
How are the regular Tensors? I'm curious to try them but dont know what to expect...

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1855/9149/products/Tensor_Aluminum_Raw_New_All_Terrain_Geometry_Truck_1024x1024.jpg?v=1521495699)

Late to the party but don't waste your time with the aluminum ones. They're heavy as shit - the 5.75 are like 385-390g iirc, and the aluminum is weirdly sticky. ATG is a huge improvement over the tens in the turning department but it's not good enough to justify picking them over team thunder/indy standard or even destructo if you want a 55mm height truck.

Tensor excels in two departments, weight and price. So either spend the extra $15 and get the mag lights which offer unmatched lightness and a uniquely smooth grind, or save yourself $20 and get the alloys which are actually lighter than the straight aluminum ones (my 5.5 alloys are around 355g iirc) and honestly turn just as good and grind better in my opinion.

Of all the useless trucks I own, I consider my aluminum ATGs to be the most useless (other than maybe my hot rod flame painted navigators, but at least those are good for a laugh). There is basically no scenario in which I would choose to ride them and so they've been sitting on an 8.38 hockey deck I never skate basically since the first day I tried them. They're not inherently bad trucks, but you can do better in virtually every single metric.

And as has been mentioned, tensor stock bushings are terrible... If you do decide to get some mag lights then bones are a good replacement, but thunder and indy conical (or really any standard sized cone bottoms) work fine too. I personally use film bushings in mine since they have the same interlocking design.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 07, 2021, 02:48:30 PM
I recently went from Tensor (stock) to Indy (ACE dual duro bushings) to Tensor ATG Mags (bones med bushings) over 4 weeks and apparently I got really used to Indy...they were forged so lower, and just have that Indy/ACE/ML carvy vibe compared to the Tensor/Thunder feel (to me anyway); the ATGs feel like a truck from Venture or Thunder that is supposed to compete with Indy - they sit right in the middle of Thunder and Indy for me and if they were lower, It's all I'd ride.

You can't beat the ATG Maglights weight and grind tho.

Oddly, due to the weight of the AF1s, for my 8.5" I'm going back to ML with risers or ATG Mags. Fuck those AF1s are chunky.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: culdesac on May 07, 2021, 03:03:20 PM
Apologies if similar info has already been posted, did a search and didn't really find anything, but what indys (or other brands) would you guys recommend for someone who exclusively skates curbs on 9" boards? I've had ace 55s with stock bushings and riptide pivots for the last six months and both axles are slipping like crazy now. Aside from the slippage I've really enjoyed these trucks but am open to trying something different.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on May 07, 2021, 03:05:53 PM
Quote from: mbam003 on May 03, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
How are the Indy 78A extra soft white replacement bushings? Do they wheelbite to death?

they’re good in ventures. that what I have in mine. but that’s because of ventures turning radius, it might also be because I weigh 120lbs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 07, 2021, 03:06:49 PM
Quote from: culdesac on May 07, 2021, 03:03:20 PM
Apologies if similar info has already been posted, did a search and didn't really find anything, but what indys (or other brands) would you guys recommend for someone who exclusively skates curbs on 9" boards? I've had ace 55s with stock bushings and riptide pivots for the last six months and both axles are slipping like crazy now. Aside from the slippage I've really enjoyed these trucks but am open to trying something different.

Indy hollow forged (or ti) 169s, maybe Thunder 161 if you want to change it up?

I'm running 159s on an 8.876 (8.625" prior), stock cups and ACE (dual duro) bushings and have a blast on it; if I were to go up to a nine, I would grab 169s more than likely.

I feel myself slowly converting back to Indy - wanting those TiMids to drop!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: culdesac on May 07, 2021, 04:28:13 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 07, 2021, 03:06:49 PM
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Apologies if similar info has already been posted, did a search and didn't really find anything, but what indys (or other brands) would you guys recommend for someone who exclusively skates curbs on 9" boards? I've had ace 55s with stock bushings and riptide pivots for the last six months and both axles are slipping like crazy now. Aside from the slippage I've really enjoyed these trucks but am open to trying something different.
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Indy hollow forged (or ti) 169s, maybe Thunder 161 if you want to change it up?

I'm running 159s on an 8.876 (8.625" prior), stock cups and ACE (dual duro) bushings and have a blast on it; if I were to go up to a nine, I would grab 169s more than likely.

I feel myself slowly converting back to Indy - wanting those TiMids to drop!

Thanks for the recs. Appreciate it. Would it make any sense to use my ace riptides in the indys or just go stock? Or buy Indy specific riptides?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 07, 2021, 05:04:51 PM
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Apologies if similar info has already been posted, did a search and didn't really find anything, but what indys (or other brands) would you guys recommend for someone who exclusively skates curbs on 9" boards? I've had ace 55s with stock bushings and riptide pivots for the last six months and both axles are slipping like crazy now. Aside from the slippage I've really enjoyed these trucks but am open to trying something different.
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Indy hollow forged (or ti) 169s, maybe Thunder 161 if you want to change it up? Do you like your wheels flush to the deck rail (bolts sticking out) or do you prefer to have the bolts under the board?

I'm running 159s on an 8.876 (8.625" prior), stock cups and ACE (dual duro) bushings and have a blast on it; if I were to go up to a nine, I would grab 169s more than likely.

I feel myself slowly converting back to Indy - wanting those TiMids to drop!
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Thanks for the recs. Appreciate it. Would it make any sense to use my ace riptides in the indys or just go stock? Or buy Indy specific riptides?

I literally just threw a set or ACE riptides in my Indys (see pic), they fit fine (they're also soft and will deform anyway). I've used Indy riptides in every major truck brand with no issues.

Put them in and see if they are beat up enough to not spill over the top of the pivot area (some ace cups from riptide were unusually tall).

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/3r7WZo_-vwuCq--k9TXQUnxYjUMDAlnynmBDAvBH5ol7aihTpENVKSuQNUYnOXK-tSFz6rne8F8mTJC6muV2EZKVflnQZa2K53l4iMOpw1xfRhVIIgnzpz42tAyAF3qi03EdInqPAsk=w2400)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on May 07, 2021, 05:10:11 PM
Quote from: culdesac on May 07, 2021, 03:03:20 PM
Apologies if similar info has already been posted, did a search and didn't really find anything, but what indys (or other brands) would you guys recommend for someone who exclusively skates curbs on 9" boards? I've had ace 55s with stock bushings and riptide pivots for the last six months and both axles are slipping like crazy now. Aside from the slippage I've really enjoyed these trucks but am open to trying something different.

I skated a 9" Polar popsicle for most of last year, and it went together *perfectly* with Indy 159s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 07, 2021, 05:51:33 PM
Max Schaaf of Indy
(https://i.ibb.co/rxP4F2k/IMG-1019.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N9hZt2x)
geojson format (https://geojsonlint.com/)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on May 07, 2021, 05:53:28 PM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on May 07, 2021, 05:51:33 PM
Max Schaaf of Indy
(https://i.ibb.co/rxP4F2k/IMG-1019.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N9hZt2x)
geojson format (https://geojsonlint.com/)

Good, Thunders are superior trucks anyway
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 07, 2021, 07:34:28 PM
Anybody know when the Indy inverted kingpin plates are going to be available in the US? I've seen them in some Canada and UK online stores, but no formal announcements or anything.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on May 07, 2021, 08:33:20 PM
let's say one were to drill a hole through their kingpin to save a few grams
is this person stupid?
my friend wants to know
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on May 07, 2021, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: anon on May 07, 2021, 08:33:20 PM
let's say one were to drill a hole through their kingpin to save a few grams
is this person stupid?
my friend wants to know

Yes.


https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Thunder_Hollow_Kingpin/descpage-THHKP.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI48KNxJa58AIVuRmtBh1U-QwgEAQYASABEgIzOvD_BwE
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 07, 2021, 08:49:19 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on May 07, 2021, 07:34:28 PM
Anybody know when the Indy inverted kingpin plates are going to be available in the US? I've seen them in some Canada and UK online stores, but no formal announcements or anything.

I could be wrong but everything usually comes out in the US first, so maybe they all sold out quickly, as I thought I have seen some posted on US shop instagrams and other places.

Searching turns up a few "out of stock" from some shops, but no current stock.

I think more people have bought the kit, to put on their existing trucks there, compared to other places.

The mid trucks have only recently arrived here, or at least some shops still have them in stock, but the kits also sold out super quickly.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: switchfrontshuv on May 08, 2021, 03:53:24 AM
Currently in a dilemma;

I got these thunder 149 standards with 51-52 mm wheels but the issue im having is with the overall turn.

I like my trucks loose, and so far ive found that having low thunder 147 bottom bushings with no bottom washer + 1/8 risers gives me a 54-55mm tall thunder that is loose and surfy with no wheelbite. the only issue (on the steep deck im riding anyways) is ghost pop on tres on smooth ground and loss of that thunder pinch cuz theyre so tall, not to mention manuals go to ass too and 5-0 on anything is kinda scary cuz the angle is so steep.

The question I have is is there anyone who's figured out how to get thunders to stay relatively turny/loose without risers?

how do pros like Jamie Foy/ronnie Kessner even skate loose ass thunders without risers?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 08, 2021, 07:45:14 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on May 07, 2021, 08:49:19 PM
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Anybody know when the Indy inverted kingpin plates are going to be available in the US? I've seen them in some Canada and UK online stores, but no formal announcements or anything.
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I could be wrong but everything usually comes out in the US first, so maybe they all sold out quickly, as I thought I have seen some posted on US shop instagrams and other places.

Searching turns up a few "out of stock" from some shops, but no current stock.

I think more people have bought the kit, to put on their existing trucks there, compared to other places.

The mid trucks have only recently arrived here, or at least some shops still have them in stock, but the kits also sold out super quickly.

Could be, but it seems odd that Indy never made any formal announcement that they were out or that shops had them in stock via Instagram. Particularly given the hype behind the mids. And the fact that no one here has posted them.

Part of me think maybe some places got the kits early and had to hold them until official release, and that there is just a longer delay on the roll out due the the ongoing supply chain issues.

I skate Aces, but there is a part of me that misses my 159s and wants to give them another go when my current 55s die. The new plates would be kind of a nice incentive to give them another go.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on May 08, 2021, 02:42:56 PM
Been on Ventures for about 3 years now (5.2 and 5.6 hi) and decided to try Thunders last year. Couldn’t get into them stock due to the twitchiness so I put a Krux bottom barrel bushing. Rode them like this for a bit and they felt fine, felt like a sharper Venture but I ended up putting my 5.6’s back on.

I took a few months off skating due to a back injury and since I’ve been back, I’ve just had a terrible time with my Ventures. Can’t land shit, they felt sluggish, my manuals couldn’t work at all, felt heavy and dead etc.. No matter how much I loosened them, I couldn’t get them to do what I wanted. I rode loose Indy’s for 17 years and missed the fast responsiveness. I still have 139 USA-made Indy’s on my 8’ set up.

 This morning I said ‘fuck it’, I’d give the Thunders another try, only this time with a stock Thunder bushing on bottom.

Tell ya what, these bad boys are staying on for the rest of the summer. These just clicked with me and had the best session I’ve had in a long-ass time. I get them now, and I see why people are so into them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Slayer666 on May 08, 2021, 03:57:20 PM
Quote from: switchfrontshuv on May 08, 2021, 03:53:24 AM
Currently in a dilemma;

I got these thunder 149 standards with 51-52 mm wheels but the issue im having is with the overall turn.

I like my trucks loose, and so far ive found that having low thunder 147 bottom bushings with no bottom washer + 1/8 risers gives me a 54-55mm tall thunder that is loose and surfy with no wheelbite. the only issue (on the steep deck im riding anyways) is ghost pop on tres on smooth ground and loss of that thunder pinch cuz theyre so tall, not to mention manuals go to ass too and 5-0 on anything is kinda scary cuz the angle is so steep.

The question I have is is there anyone who's figured out how to get thunders to stay relatively turny/loose without risers?

how do pros like Jamie Foy/ronnie Kessner even skate loose ass thunders without risers?
You gotta break those “bad boys” in. Maybe put something  like wax or even dish soap works good between the bushings and washers to help. Thunders are tight Don’t get it mixed up
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: switchfrontshuv on May 09, 2021, 03:33:30 AM
Quote from: Slayer666 on May 08, 2021, 03:57:20 PM
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Currently in a dilemma;

I got these thunder 149 standards with 51-52 mm wheels but the issue im having is with the overall turn.

I like my trucks loose, and so far ive found that having low thunder 147 bottom bushings with no bottom washer + 1/8 risers gives me a 54-55mm tall thunder that is loose and surfy with no wheelbite. the only issue (on the steep deck im riding anyways) is ghost pop on tres on smooth ground and loss of that thunder pinch cuz theyre so tall, not to mention manuals go to ass too and 5-0 on anything is kinda scary cuz the angle is so steep.

The question I have is is there anyone who's figured out how to get thunders to stay relatively turny/loose without risers?

how do pros like Jamie Foy/ronnie Kessner even skate loose ass thunders without risers?
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You gotta break those “bad boys” in. Maybe put something  like wax or even dish soap works good between the bushings and washers to help. Thunders are tight Don’t get it mixed up

I think its cuz its still pretty cold up here. I skated the stock bushings in 20 degrees c and they were nice but nah I feel like no matter what bushings I put in em im still gonna wheelbite with no risers
lowkey prefer it over anything else tho the stability is crazy 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 09, 2021, 03:59:08 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on May 08, 2021, 07:45:14 AM
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Anybody know when the Indy inverted kingpin plates are going to be available in the US? I've seen them in some Canada and UK online stores, but no formal announcements or anything.
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I could be wrong but everything usually comes out in the US first, so maybe they all sold out quickly, as I thought I have seen some posted on US shop instagrams and other places.

Searching turns up a few "out of stock" from some shops, but no current stock.

I think more people have bought the kit, to put on their existing trucks there, compared to other places.

The mid trucks have only recently arrived here, or at least some shops still have them in stock, but the kits also sold out super quickly.
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Could be, but it seems odd that Indy never made any formal announcement that they were out or that shops had them in stock via Instagram. Particularly given the hype behind the mids. And the fact that no one here has posted them.

Part of me think maybe some places got the kits early and had to hold them until official release, and that there is just a longer delay on the roll out due the the ongoing supply chain issues.

I skate Aces, but there is a part of me that misses my 159s and wants to give them another go when my current 55s die. The new plates would be kind of a nice incentive to give them another go.

I guess that is the reason more than a few people have bought the mid trucks and swapped out the mid hanger for a taller standard / hollow one, so just getting the baseplate kit is a cheaper / more cost effective alternative.

Yet to see them in person, but I know others I skate with prefer the forged hollow baseplate option over the standard for their regular trucks, or machine the kingpin head down some to give a lower kingpin hang factor, but having a low hanger as per the whole mid truck is not really that nice.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Slayer666 on May 09, 2021, 06:18:59 AM
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Currently in a dilemma;

I got these thunder 149 standards with 51-52 mm wheels but the issue im having is with the overall turn.

I like my trucks loose, and so far ive found that having low thunder 147 bottom bushings with no bottom washer + 1/8 risers gives me a 54-55mm tall thunder that is loose and surfy with no wheelbite. the only issue (on the steep deck im riding anyways) is ghost pop on tres on smooth ground and loss of that thunder pinch cuz theyre so tall, not to mention manuals go to ass too and 5-0 on anything is kinda scary cuz the angle is so steep.

The question I have is is there anyone who's figured out how to get thunders to stay relatively turny/loose without risers?

how do pros like Jamie Foy/ronnie Kessner even skate loose ass thunders without risers?
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You gotta break those “bad boys” in. Maybe put something  like wax or even dish soap works good between the bushings and washers to help. Thunders are tight Don’t get it mixed up
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I think its cuz its still pretty cold up here. I skated the stock bushings in 20 degrees c and they were nice but nah I feel like no matter what bushings I put in em im still gonna wheelbite with no risers
lowkey prefer it over anything else tho the stability is crazy
yeah stock bushings are great unless its cold then ill put some bones in
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 09, 2021, 10:51:34 AM
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Anybody know when the Indy inverted kingpin plates are going to be available in the US? I've seen them in some Canada and UK online stores, but no formal announcements or anything.
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I could be wrong but everything usually comes out in the US first, so maybe they all sold out quickly, as I thought I have seen some posted on US shop instagrams and other places.

Searching turns up a few "out of stock" from some shops, but no current stock.

I think more people have bought the kit, to put on their existing trucks there, compared to other places.

The mid trucks have only recently arrived here, or at least some shops still have them in stock, but the kits also sold out super quickly.
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Could be, but it seems odd that Indy never made any formal announcement that they were out or that shops had them in stock via Instagram. Particularly given the hype behind the mids. And the fact that no one here has posted them.

Part of me think maybe some places got the kits early and had to hold them until official release, and that there is just a longer delay on the roll out due the the ongoing supply chain issues.

I skate Aces, but there is a part of me that misses my 159s and wants to give them another go when my current 55s die. The new plates would be kind of a nice incentive to give them another go.
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I guess that is the reason more than a few people have bought the mid trucks and swapped out the mid hanger for a taller standard / hollow one, so just getting the baseplate kit is a cheaper / more cost effective alternative.

Yet to see them in person, but I know others I skate with prefer the forged hollow baseplate option over the standard for their regular trucks, or machine the kingpin head down some to give a lower kingpin hang factor, but having a low hanger as per the whole mid truck is not really that nice.



I'm patiently waiting for the 159 Ti Mid. NHS have been really quiet with regards to the stand alone plate and the hollow/Ti Mids, last thing I remember was hearing the ETA was spring (maybe summer) - so any week now?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on May 17, 2021, 10:13:59 AM
for the pals that run loose trucks i find this works for me

(https://i.ibb.co/NKkhNp1/7-CFDB65-E-8-BAE-42-C2-91-A2-012-EF7-C1409-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NKkhNp1)

bushings are the indy super softs. keep them compressed like that until the ones on my setup blow out, the break in period is nowhere near as bad imo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on May 18, 2021, 09:30:53 AM
When do people run risers? I run pretty small wheels, like 51-53max, but get wheelbite constantly - to the point that it makes me miss tricks a decent amount. Just wondered who amongst us throws them on every setup and what the reasoning is and how they effect your skating, specifically how much do they fuck with pop, turn, and manual stability.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on May 18, 2021, 09:33:19 AM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on May 18, 2021, 09:30:53 AM
When do people run risers? Just wondered who amongst us throws them on every setup and what the reasoning is and how they effect your skating,
People who get wheelbite constantly - to the point that it makes em miss tricks a decent amount
Quote from: rosemaryBB on May 18, 2021, 09:30:53 AM
specifically how much do they fuck with pop, turn, and manual stability.
not very much
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 18, 2021, 09:54:14 AM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on May 18, 2021, 09:30:53 AM
When do people run risers? I run pretty small wheels, like 51-53max, but get wheelbite constantly - to the point that it makes me miss tricks a decent amount. Just wondered who amongst us throws them on every setup and what the reasoning is and how they effect your skating, specifically how much do they fuck with pop, turn, and manual stability.

Anytime I set my Thunders up. On Ace and Indy when I skate wheels above 54mm. I ride loose to medium and I'm about 200lbs.

You get used to it. I grew up using risers. I've said this many times but I believe risers make some trucks turn better. Sometimes, its a little unstable setting up for flip tricks but that's not my priority. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 18, 2021, 10:41:38 AM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on May 18, 2021, 09:30:53 AM
When do people run risers? I run pretty small wheels, like 51-53max, but get wheelbite constantly - to the point that it makes me miss tricks a decent amount. Just wondered who amongst us throws them on every setup and what the reasoning is and how they effect your skating, specifically how much do they fuck with pop, turn, and manual stability.

Very rarely, I tend to drop wheels size to help negate wheelbite if at all possible. I'd be more apt to run them if I could find 1/16" hard risers on the regular.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: white guy in a durag on May 18, 2021, 09:23:28 PM
I just a accept the wheel bite. It's the price of being a monster truck driver.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 19, 2021, 07:14:14 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on May 07, 2021, 07:34:28 PM
Anybody know when the Indy inverted kingpin plates are going to be available in the US? I've seen them in some Canada and UK online stores, but no formal announcements or anything.

In case you didn't see it in the other thread...


Looks like the inverted king pin baseplates are now out in US shops too.


Quote from: Firebert on May 19, 2021, 07:01:21 AM
They're up for sale on https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-Trucks-IKP-Baseplate-And-Kingpin.html (https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-Trucks-IKP-Baseplate-And-Kingpin.html)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on May 19, 2021, 07:29:01 AM
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Anybody know when the Indy inverted kingpin plates are going to be available in the US? I've seen them in some Canada and UK online stores, but no formal announcements or anything.
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In case you didn't see it in the other thread...


Looks like the inverted king pin baseplates are now out in US shops too.


Quote from: Firebert on May 19, 2021, 07:01:21 AM
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They're up for sale on https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-Trucks-IKP-Baseplate-And-Kingpin.html (https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-Trucks-IKP-Baseplate-And-Kingpin.html)
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30 USD Seems insane for some baseplates
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on May 19, 2021, 07:47:13 AM
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Anybody know when the Indy inverted kingpin plates are going to be available in the US? I've seen them in some Canada and UK online stores, but no formal announcements or anything.
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In case you didn't see it in the other thread...


Looks like the inverted king pin baseplates are now out in US shops too.


Quote from: Firebert on May 19, 2021, 07:01:21 AM
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They're up for sale on https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-Trucks-IKP-Baseplate-And-Kingpin.html (https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-Trucks-IKP-Baseplate-And-Kingpin.html)
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30 USD Seems insane for some baseplates
Normal set of baseplates cost $12, krux pins cost $8. I'm happy to pay them 10 extra dollars to do the work for me and have that kingpin not wiggle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on May 19, 2021, 10:08:37 AM
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Anybody know when the Indy inverted kingpin plates are going to be available in the US? I've seen them in some Canada and UK online stores, but no formal announcements or anything.
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In case you didn't see it in the other thread...


Looks like the inverted king pin baseplates are now out in US shops too.


Quote from: Firebert on May 19, 2021, 07:01:21 AM
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They're up for sale on https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-Trucks-IKP-Baseplate-And-Kingpin.html (https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-Trucks-IKP-Baseplate-And-Kingpin.html)
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30 USD Seems insane for some baseplates
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Normal set of baseplates cost $12, krux pins cost $8. I'm happy to pay them 10 extra dollars to do the work for me and have that kingpin not wiggle.
Not having them wiggle is great but you also have to spend around 50$ for the trucks if you're getting standards. I definitely get that some people really want these but at that price you might as well get a set of mids. It just seems odd the price is that high but maybe production costs are high
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 19, 2021, 10:59:39 AM
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Anybody know when the Indy inverted kingpin plates are going to be available in the US? I've seen them in some Canada and UK online stores, but no formal announcements or anything.
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In case you didn't see it in the other thread...


Looks like the inverted king pin baseplates are now out in US shops too.


Quote from: Firebert on May 19, 2021, 07:01:21 AM
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They're up for sale on https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-Trucks-IKP-Baseplate-And-Kingpin.html (https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-Trucks-IKP-Baseplate-And-Kingpin.html)
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30 USD Seems insane for some baseplates

Might as well just by new trucks at that rate (unless you borked you plate somehow...or have an excess amount of parts....) - I'm going to buy a pair and use my 159 hollow hangers and put them on my curb crusher for more height+Bigger wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: roanrox on May 19, 2021, 09:52:05 PM
Quick question here: does anyone know Thunder’s stocking bushings durometer by color? Couldn’t find any updated chart/guide online.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 20, 2021, 02:03:22 AM
Quote from: roanrox on May 19, 2021, 09:52:05 PM
Quick question here: does anyone know Thunder’s stocking bushings durometer by color? Couldn’t find any updated chart/guide online.

Thunder stock bushings are all 90a - as in the bushings that come in the trucks.

The seasonal changes in colour don't matter, as they are all 90 duro, eg more recently they have been ice blue, but the more common ones were murky yellow or orange, often depended on the size so others said, but in a dozen different sets of normal 149s over the last few years, I have seen / had quite a few different colours and they were all the same.

The aftermarket ones are different, as per the rebuild kits (with all the washers, nuts, pivot cups, etc), red 90, blue 95 and black 100, as well as the bushing tubes being different again, colour specific to duros as per this pic.

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-5gAAOSwzh5goyat/s-l500.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: roanrox on May 20, 2021, 11:34:23 AM
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Quick question here: does anyone know Thunder’s stocking bushings durometer by color? Couldn’t find any updated chart/guide online.
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Thunder stock bushings are all 90a - as in the bushings that come in the trucks.

The seasonal changes in colour don't matter, as they are all 90 duro, eg more recently they have been ice blue, but the more common ones were murky yellow or orange, often depended on the size so others said, but in a dozen different sets of normal 149s over the last few years, I have seen / had quite a few different colours and they were all the same.

The aftermarket ones are different, as per the rebuild kits (with all the washers, nuts, pivot cups, etc), red 90, blue 95 and black 100, as well as the bushing tubes being different again, colour specific to duros as per this pic.

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-5gAAOSwzh5goyat/s-l500.jpg)

You’re the man. Thanks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 20, 2021, 08:47:52 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on May 20, 2021, 02:03:22 AM
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Quick question here: does anyone know Thunder’s stocking bushings durometer by color? Couldn’t find any updated chart/guide online.
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Thunder stock bushings are all 90a - as in the bushings that come in the trucks.

The seasonal changes in colour don't matter, as they are all 90 duro, eg more recently they have been ice blue, but the more common ones were murky yellow or orange, often depended on the size so others said, but in a dozen different sets of normal 149s over the last few years, I have seen / had quite a few different colours and they were all the same.

The aftermarket ones are different, as per the rebuild kits (with all the washers, nuts, pivot cups, etc), red 90, blue 95 and black 100, as well as the bushing tubes being different again, colour specific to duros as per this pic.

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-5gAAOSwzh5goyat/s-l500.jpg)

You want the white ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OldCandy on May 20, 2021, 08:51:06 PM
so i have a set of standard indy 139 with some stock thunder bushings lying around (got them for free, they have small air bubbles in them) anybody have experience with thunder bushings in indy?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crabby_Bastard on May 20, 2021, 10:01:04 PM
Quote from: OldCandy on May 20, 2021, 08:51:06 PM
so i have a set of standard indy 139 with some stock thunder bushings lying around (got them for free, they have small air bubbles in them) anybody have experience with thunder bushings in indy?

I ran some Thunder bushings in some Indy 144 standards. They have a deeper turn which I much prefer to the stock barrel Indy bushings but they do wheel bite a bit easier.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 22, 2021, 02:54:32 PM
Put Krepers in my 55 classics and 159s. Used JB weld, everything seems very solid.

(https://i.imgur.com/aWfyEOc.jpg)

I've been skating my 159s over the past week and have been kind of preferring them. I want to put some riptides in there and see how they perform.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on May 22, 2021, 07:03:14 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on May 22, 2021, 02:54:32 PM
Put Krepers in my 55 classics and 159s. Used JB weld, everything seems very solid.

(https://i.imgur.com/aWfyEOc.jpg)



For people who do the Krux, Kreper, Grindking kingpin hack how does this affect the looseness of your trucks? How loose do you normally run your trucks?

Maybe a harder question to get an answer to, but is there a difference between the three options or is it just a matter of what you can get your hands on?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 22, 2021, 07:12:48 PM
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Put Krepers in my 55 classics and 159s. Used JB weld, everything seems very solid.

(https://i.imgur.com/aWfyEOc.jpg)


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For people who do the Krux, Kreper, Grindking kingpin hack how does this affect the looseness of your trucks? How loose do you normally run your trucks?

Maybe a harder question to get an answer to, but is there a difference between the three options or is it just a matter of what you can get your hands on?

Regarding looseness: I skate my ace classics stock and indys with 92 aftermarkets and the nut flush. I have both of these set up to where they feel like that to me. It took some trial and error to get them feeling normal just because I can't see the nut, but now the turn is status quo.

Kreper and Grindking pins are the same, my Krepers came in a GK package. The top acts like a top washer, though the edges are rounded and don't feel like they bind as hard as a regular washer. With Krux, there isn't a top washer so you can use whatever (@ ppl who like a flat washer) and I'm pretty sure they're hollow.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on May 22, 2021, 07:14:07 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on May 22, 2021, 07:03:14 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on May 22, 2021, 02:54:32 PM
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Put Krepers in my 55 classics and 159s. Used JB weld, everything seems very solid.

(https://i.imgur.com/aWfyEOc.jpg)


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For people who do the Krux, Kreper, Grindking kingpin hack how does this affect the looseness of your trucks? How loose do you normally run your trucks?

Maybe a harder question to get an answer to, but is there a difference between the three options or is it just a matter of what you can get your hands on?
seconded
want to try inverted pins sometime but if i cant run my trucks rattly then i have to pass
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lloyd Braun on May 22, 2021, 08:21:20 PM
I have the crux DLKs in my ventures. My trucks are loose. Not crazy rattle loose, but loose none the less.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on May 23, 2021, 06:23:05 AM
Feeling a touch of the madness, how do you guys choose truck size for a shaped board? Let it hotrod on the narrow side, or go tucked in? I've seen both. I go a little wider with my trucks on popsicles but it seems weirder for fish shaped boards / eggs. How did people run it in the heyday of shaped boards?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 23, 2021, 07:25:40 AM
Quote from: sketchyrider on May 23, 2021, 06:23:05 AM
Feeling a touch of the madness, how do you guys choose truck size for a shaped board? Let it hotrod on the narrow side, or go tucked in? I've seen both. I go a little wider with my trucks on popsicles but it seems weirder for fish shaped boards / eggs. How did people run it in the heyday of shaped boards?

Generally, use the width of the board at the narrowest point over the back truck and pick based on that. So if it's 8.25" over the back, get what you'd ride on an 8.25". You don't want it to hotrod in the back and trip over the back wheel while pushing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on May 23, 2021, 09:00:01 AM
re: DLK in Ace trucks; Being that the Ace baseplate and the Indy baseplate are so similar wouldn’t it be easier to buy the Indy baseplate with the DLK already in and put the Ace hangers on? Might have to put the Ace low bushings in to accommodate the shorter kingpin.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 23, 2021, 09:34:27 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on May 23, 2021, 07:25:40 AM
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Feeling a touch of the madness, how do you guys choose truck size for a shaped board? Let it hotrod on the narrow side, or go tucked in? I've seen both. I go a little wider with my trucks on popsicles but it seems weirder for fish shaped boards / eggs. How did people run it in the heyday of shaped boards?
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Generally, use the width of the board at the narrowest point over the back truck and pick based on that. So if it's 8.25" over the back, get what you'd ride on an 8.25". You don't want it to hotrod in the back and trip over the back wheel while pushing.

This is one of my favorite questions. Just going to echo what Frozenindustries just said, really. As a child of the 80s, that is how we did it. It still boggles my mind to see massive Hot Rod scenarios out the back of the board. Try to line up the back and try to keep the front axle width within 1/4" of deck width at the axle location (not always possible.) Go look at the Thrasher archives and find some photos of the era your deck shape is influenced by and check out how everyone was setting up their boards.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on May 23, 2021, 04:10:07 PM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on May 23, 2021, 09:34:27 AM
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Feeling a touch of the madness, how do you guys choose truck size for a shaped board? Let it hotrod on the narrow side, or go tucked in? I've seen both. I go a little wider with my trucks on popsicles but it seems weirder for fish shaped boards / eggs. How did people run it in the heyday of shaped boards?
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Generally, use the width of the board at the narrowest point over the back truck and pick based on that. So if it's 8.25" over the back, get what you'd ride on an 8.25". You don't want it to hotrod in the back and trip over the back wheel while pushing.
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This is one of my favorite questions. Just going to echo what Frozenindustries just said, really. As a child of the 80s, that is how we did it. It still boggles my mind to see massive Hot Rod scenarios out the back of the board. Try to line up the back and try to keep the front axle width within 1/4" of deck width at the axle location (not always possible.) Go look at the Thrasher archives and find some photos of the era your deck shape is influenced by and check out how everyone was setting up their boards.

word thanks guys...pretty easy to get lost in the thrasher archives. seems like those fish shaped boards all got the magic carpet treatment back then. i saw some egg boards that looked kind of hot rodded, but it might just be an illusion from the tiny wheels making the nuts stick far out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 23, 2021, 07:17:48 PM
Yeah, I think there was a period during the BPSW era where there was some hotroding. The tiny wheels also made the trucks look huge.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on May 23, 2021, 10:37:05 PM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on May 23, 2021, 07:17:48 PM
Yeah, I think there was a period during the BPSW era where there was some hotroding. The tiny wheels also made the trucks look huge.

In the BPSW era (and the few years prior) we never thought of truck width to board width. I had two boards built up at a time because the wood was all shit and may snap whenever. One was with 9” trucks and one with 8.75. I think one time I actually swapped trucks to put the smaller ones on the smaller of the boards I had built up. Otherwise we just skated whatever. We gave no shits about hot rod or magic carpets.

Now, I have 12 sets of trucks and shit needs to be paired exactly. On my shaped setups I try to get the rear wheels (not axle) even to the deck which generally has me running a truck 1/8 to 1/4 wider than the rear deck measurement.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Easy Slider on May 24, 2021, 03:19:58 AM
I agree that in the BPSW era we did not bother about truck width.

Plus it was upon us without much warning so one day you rode a 10‘ shaped board with wide trucks and overnight the world had changed and 9‘ footballs were the truth, and then getting rapidly smaller from there down to around 7.5‘ in a few months.

We simply did not have the money to always get new trucks with every new deck so for a while we finished riding the large trucks on much smaller decks. Buying trucks felt like an investment back then.

Then it went the other way round, once you had finally saved up for 8‘ trucks adapted to those toothpick decks, board size went back up to 8.25, 8.5  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on May 24, 2021, 06:31:51 AM
Quote from: Easy Slider on May 24, 2021, 03:19:58 AM
I agree that in the BPSW era we did not bother about truck width.

Plus it was upon us without much warning so one day you rode a 10‘ shaped board with wide trucks and overnight the world had changed and 9‘ footballs were the truth, and then getting rapidly smaller from there down to around 7.5‘ in a few months.

We simply did not have the money to always get new trucks with every new deck so for a while we finished riding the large trucks on much smaller decks. Buying trucks felt like an investment back then.

Then it went the other way round, once you had finally saved up for 8‘ trucks adapted to those toothpick decks, board size went back up to 8.25, 8.5  ;D

I personaly don't think truck width became a thing until 2010
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on May 24, 2021, 06:54:43 AM
Quote from: TwisT on May 24, 2021, 06:31:51 AM
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I agree that in the BPSW era we did not bother about truck width.

Plus it was upon us without much warning so one day you rode a 10‘ shaped board with wide trucks and overnight the world had changed and 9‘ footballs were the truth, and then getting rapidly smaller from there down to around 7.5‘ in a few months.

We simply did not have the money to always get new trucks with every new deck so for a while we finished riding the large trucks on much smaller decks. Buying trucks felt like an investment back then.

Then it went the other way round, once you had finally saved up for 8‘ trucks adapted to those toothpick decks, board size went back up to 8.25, 8.5  ;D
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I personaly don't think truck width became a thing until 2010

would explain why some pros out there magic carpet hard AF
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 24, 2021, 07:36:53 PM
Muscle memory has a lot to do with it.

After more than 20 or so years on 8" trucks, in 2017 when I went from 139s to 144s on an 8.12 deck, a lot of how I skated changed just a little bit, as the wider truck meant you had to land more square on for nose or tail slides, but now I am on 149s or bigger boards, it doesn't matter so much, or I am more used to it.

Others I know still ride the 139s on 8, 8.12 and even 8.25 boards because anything other than that feels weird and their tricks don't work as that is how they have skated for 20 or so years.

Most of us had been on about the 139 size for a long time, so it was a big change to the 144s and lots of people didn't like it, or just went back to 139 / 8" trucks on their boards.


Going back to older or even 80s style / fish shaped decks, truck size didn't come into it half as much, but there were still specific sizes that you lined up on your deck to check first, usually wheels sticking out at the back, but the wider front of the board and wide tail meant you never really caught your foot on the back wheels either, as you were used to how wide the whole setup was.

Part of skating back then was riding things that others passed on to you, or you just skated what you had until the absolute last dying moment of whatever it was, so nothing got changed out anywhere near as regularly as things do now, be it for lack of money, knowledge of product or any other reason.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: slutbang666 on May 24, 2021, 08:33:21 PM
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I agree that in the BPSW era we did not bother about truck width.

Plus it was upon us without much warning so one day you rode a 10‘ shaped board with wide trucks and overnight the world had changed and 9‘ footballs were the truth, and then getting rapidly smaller from there down to around 7.5‘ in a few months.

We simply did not have the money to always get new trucks with every new deck so for a while we finished riding the large trucks on much smaller decks. Buying trucks felt like an investment back then.

Then it went the other way round, once you had finally saved up for 8‘ trucks adapted to those toothpick decks, board size went back up to 8.25, 8.5  ;D
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I personaly don't think truck width became a thing until 2010
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would explain why some pros out there magic carpet hard AF

Yep still have friends riding 139’s on 8.5 because they can’t ride bigger trucks. I also rode a 8.5 with venture 5.0s at various times in my life haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kevve on May 25, 2021, 03:12:16 AM
I dont know where to post this but Will a 8.625 fit Indy 159s decent?

(8.75 axle) Maybe a 8.5 truck would fit better & be a little leś hefty but i dont wanna change trucks atm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on May 25, 2021, 05:32:09 AM
Quote from: Kevve on May 25, 2021, 03:12:16 AM
I dont know where to post this but Will a 8.625 fit Indy 159s decent?

(8.75 axle) Maybe a 8.5 truck would fit better & be a little leś hefty but i dont wanna change trucks atm

They'd be fine. The wheels would (probably) line up with the rails on a 159/8.625 combo. The axle nuts might hotdog a bit but you wont see it when pushing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on May 25, 2021, 07:53:39 AM
Quote from: Kevve on May 25, 2021, 03:12:16 AM
I dont know where to post this but Will a 8.625 fit Indy 159s decent?

(8.75 axle) Maybe a 8.5 truck would fit better & be a little leś hefty but i dont wanna change trucks atm

I would run 159s on it before 149s.  Unless you are running really wide wheels it should be fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IUTSM on May 25, 2021, 09:35:28 AM
it's a big time in the life of trucks for me now that I'm skating more again... switched up from a pair of 149s to hollow 159s with green rip tides and swapped in my old ass cracked and cut bushings from the 149s. Yoooooo! these trucks are the shit! I had never really considered how much of a different feeling can be had from a switch in pivot cups. these rip tides feel like they're barely holding the truck in place, but goddamn is it nice.

hollow 159
no top front bushing washer
ride tides
old ass stock bushings

hey, this is kind of a new experience too, but I started skating these trucks less than 3 months ago and all I'm really doing are slappies, but damn are these things wearing down into a deep groove very quickly. It's nice getting locked in an all, and maybe it's because I'm skating a lot, but I've never had a groove get so deep so quickly. Wouldn't have thought that slappies on my 150lb frame would be so brutal on a set of trucks. Anyone else experience this? I'm just wondering if the alloy is different than trucks from 10 years ago/.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 25, 2021, 10:04:14 AM
Quote from: IusedToSkateMore on May 25, 2021, 09:35:28 AM
it's a big time in the life of trucks for me now that I'm skating more again... switched up from a pair of 149s to hollow 159s with green rip tides and swapped in my old ass cracked and cut bushings from the 149s. Yoooooo! these trucks are the shit! I had never really considered how much of a different feeling can be had from a switch in pivot cups. these rip tides feel like they're barely holding the truck in place, but goddamn is it nice.

hollow 159
no top front bushing washer
ride tides
old ass stock bushings

hey, this is kind of a new experience too, but I started skating these trucks less than 3 months ago and all I'm really doing are slappies, but damn are these things wearing down into a deep groove very quickly. It's nice getting locked in an all, and maybe it's because I'm skating a lot, but I've never had a groove get so deep so quickly. Wouldn't have thought that slappies on my 150lb frame would be so brutal on a set of trucks. Anyone else experience this? I'm just wondering if the alloy is different than trucks from 10 years ago/.

They are cast in a different place than they were 10 years ago, though same grade of aluminum and my Indys post-move are super durable. Slappies (and their addictive nature) will definitely wear through trucks quickly, though IMO Indy last longer than most.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IUTSM on May 25, 2021, 10:46:04 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on May 25, 2021, 10:04:14 AM
Quote from: IusedToSkateMore on May 25, 2021, 09:35:28 AM
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it's a big time in the life of trucks for me now that I'm skating more again... switched up from a pair of 149s to hollow 159s with green rip tides and swapped in my old ass cracked and cut bushings from the 149s. Yoooooo! these trucks are the shit! I had never really considered how much of a different feeling can be had from a switch in pivot cups. these rip tides feel like they're barely holding the truck in place, but goddamn is it nice.

hollow 159
no top front bushing washer
ride tides
old ass stock bushings

hey, this is kind of a new experience too, but I started skating these trucks less than 3 months ago and all I'm really doing are slappies, but damn are these things wearing down into a deep groove very quickly. It's nice getting locked in an all, and maybe it's because I'm skating a lot, but I've never had a groove get so deep so quickly. Wouldn't have thought that slappies on my 150lb frame would be so brutal on a set of trucks. Anyone else experience this? I'm just wondering if the alloy is different than trucks from 10 years ago/.
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They are cast in a different place than they were 10 years ago, though same grade of aluminum and my Indys post-move are super durable. Slappies (and their addictive nature) will definitely wear through trucks quickly, though IMO Indy last longer than most.

right on, I figured as much. All I've skated in my adult life are Indy and they've never worn down so fast! Not like they're close to the axle yet or anything, I'm just surprised and I guess kind of stoked because it means I'm skating a lot ha ha ha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on May 25, 2021, 10:59:42 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on May 24, 2021, 07:36:53 PM
Muscle memory has a lot to do with it.

After more than 20 or so years on 8" trucks, in 2017 when I went from 139s to 144s on an 8.12 deck, a lot of how I skated changed just a little bit, as the wider truck meant you had to land more square on for nose or tail slides, but now I am on 149s or bigger boards, it doesn't matter so much, or I am more used to it.

Others I know still ride the 139s on 8, 8.12 and even 8.25 boards because anything other than that feels weird and their tricks don't work as that is how they have skated for 20 or so years.

Most of us had been on about the 139 size for a long time, so it was a big change to the 144s and lots of people didn't like it, or just went back to 139 / 8" trucks on their boards.


Going back to older or even 80s style / fish shaped decks, truck size didn't come into it half as much, but there were still specific sizes that you lined up on your deck to check first, usually wheels sticking out at the back, but the wider front of the board and wide tail meant you never really caught your foot on the back wheels either, as you were used to how wide the whole setup was.

Part of skating back then was riding things that others passed on to you, or you just skated what you had until the absolute last dying moment of whatever it was, so nothing got changed out anywhere near as regularly as things do now, be it for lack of money, knowledge of product or any other reason.

Are 139s to 144s really that much of a difference? 144s will be my next trucks soon and.. Well that made me a bit nervous ^^
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IUTSM on May 25, 2021, 11:05:59 AM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on May 25, 2021, 10:59:42 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on May 24, 2021, 07:36:53 PM
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Muscle memory has a lot to do with it.

After more than 20 or so years on 8" trucks, in 2017 when I went from 139s to 144s on an 8.12 deck, a lot of how I skated changed just a little bit, as the wider truck meant you had to land more square on for nose or tail slides, but now I am on 149s or bigger boards, it doesn't matter so much, or I am more used to it.

Others I know still ride the 139s on 8, 8.12 and even 8.25 boards because anything other than that feels weird and their tricks don't work as that is how they have skated for 20 or so years.

Most of us had been on about the 139 size for a long time, so it was a big change to the 144s and lots of people didn't like it, or just went back to 139 / 8" trucks on their boards.


Going back to older or even 80s style / fish shaped decks, truck size didn't come into it half as much, but there were still specific sizes that you lined up on your deck to check first, usually wheels sticking out at the back, but the wider front of the board and wide tail meant you never really caught your foot on the back wheels either, as you were used to how wide the whole setup was.

Part of skating back then was riding things that others passed on to you, or you just skated what you had until the absolute last dying moment of whatever it was, so nothing got changed out anywhere near as regularly as things do now, be it for lack of money, knowledge of product or any other reason.
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Are 139s to 144s really that much of a difference? 144s will be my next trucks soon and.. Well that made me a bit nervous ^^

this is truth. I didn't even know the 149s I was riding were 149s until I looked it up online. I just bought whatever fit under the board without sticking out on the sides!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 25, 2021, 07:47:38 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on May 25, 2021, 10:59:42 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on May 24, 2021, 07:36:53 PM
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Muscle memory has a lot to do with it.

After more than 20 or so years on 8" trucks, in 2017 when I went from 139s to 144s on an 8.12 deck, a lot of how I skated changed just a little bit, as the wider truck meant you had to land more square on for nose or tail slides, but now I am on 149s or bigger boards, it doesn't matter so much, or I am more used to it.

Others I know still ride the 139s on 8, 8.12 and even 8.25 boards because anything other than that feels weird and their tricks don't work as that is how they have skated for 20 or so years.

Most of us had been on about the 139 size for a long time, so it was a big change to the 144s and lots of people didn't like it, or just went back to 139 / 8" trucks on their boards.


Going back to older or even 80s style / fish shaped decks, truck size didn't come into it half as much, but there were still specific sizes that you lined up on your deck to check first, usually wheels sticking out at the back, but the wider front of the board and wide tail meant you never really caught your foot on the back wheels either, as you were used to how wide the whole setup was.

Part of skating back then was riding things that others passed on to you, or you just skated what you had until the absolute last dying moment of whatever it was, so nothing got changed out anywhere near as regularly as things do now, be it for lack of money, knowledge of product or any other reason.
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Are 139s to 144s really that much of a difference? 144s will be my next trucks soon and.. Well that made me a bit nervous ^^

I got used to them fairly quickly, but it is 5mm difference in total width.

Just checked and compared a few sets of people's boards and my board with 144s and three washers on the inside almost matched up to another board with 149s and only one washer on the inside (same wheels) so where you put the washers make some difference too.

In my old 139s, I would always use two or three washers on the inside as I wanted maximum width on 8.12 width decks, then upped to 144s and did the same inside washers, but with only one on the inside, it doesn't make much difference at all.

The number of the Indy is the mm width, so 139 mm hanger, 144 mm hanger, 149 mm hanger, etc.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on May 26, 2021, 01:26:06 AM
I went back to 8” truck ( ace 03 ) after skating few sets of indy 149’s and ace 44’s, I just never felt comfy on fliptricks with bigger trucks. Must have something to do with the fact I’ve learned all my flips on like 7.5-7.625” boards lol.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on May 26, 2021, 12:01:44 PM
Anybody know whats the hardness of stock thunder bushings? I'm trying to buy replacements for my 149s but none of the bushings thunder sells look exactly like the stock ones, might just be pictures being weird.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on May 26, 2021, 12:13:30 PM
supposed to be 90, so white or yellow.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on May 26, 2021, 02:09:52 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on May 22, 2021, 07:03:14 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on May 22, 2021, 02:54:32 PM
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Put Krepers in my 55 classics and 159s. Used JB weld, everything seems very solid.

(https://i.imgur.com/aWfyEOc.jpg)


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For people who do the Krux, Kreper, Grindking kingpin hack how does this affect the looseness of your trucks? How loose do you normally run your trucks?

Maybe a harder question to get an answer to, but is there a difference between the three options or is it just a matter of what you can get your hands on?

I can't speak for Indys, but I did the Ace with the Krux kingpin and I can tell you that you better like loose trucks if you go this way. There are simply not enough threads on the kingpin to really squish down your bushings in a meaningful way. I've thought about threading the bolt deeper (which might cause it to fail), but I don't have the right die, so I'd have to borrow and buy one. Alternatively, I could buy a comically expensive titanium button-head Allen bolt of the appropriate thread pitch, but I just cannot justify spending another $30 on a pair of Ace trucks worn almost to the axle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 26, 2021, 02:20:53 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on May 26, 2021, 02:09:52 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on May 22, 2021, 07:03:14 PM
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Quote from: FrozenIndustries on May 22, 2021, 02:54:32 PM
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Put Krepers in my 55 classics and 159s. Used JB weld, everything seems very solid.

(https://i.imgur.com/aWfyEOc.jpg)


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For people who do the Krux, Kreper, Grindking kingpin hack how does this affect the looseness of your trucks? How loose do you normally run your trucks?

Maybe a harder question to get an answer to, but is there a difference between the three options or is it just a matter of what you can get your hands on?
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I can't speak for Indys, but I did the Ace with the Krux kingpin and I can tell you that you better like loose trucks if you go this way. There are simply not enough threads on the kingpin to really squish down your bushings in a meaningful way. I've thought about threading the bolt deeper (which might cause it to fail), but I don't have the right die, so I'd have to borrow and buy one. Alternatively, I could buy a comically expensive titanium button-head Allen bolt of the appropriate thread pitch, but I just cannot justify spending another $30 on a pair of Ace trucks worn almost to the axle.

I've logged about 5 and change hours on my Indys with Kreper pins and they have been staying where I adjusted them to just fine (easy to keep track of with the very cool and spooky graphic etched into the top). I need to take them out tomorrow to put some riptides pivot cups in, so when I do I will compare threading length on these versus a set of Krux DLKs I have. Pics to come.

I put a Kreper in my 55 classics as well, but I haven't been feeling them so they've just been sitting. That being said, Aces have some very tall bushings so they might make it harder to get the kingpin into the unlock zone. So maybe some taller bushings and a lower top? The cavity on Ace classics is very small, though, so the KP might stick into the board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on May 26, 2021, 02:36:52 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on May 26, 2021, 02:20:53 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on May 26, 2021, 02:09:52 PM
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Quote from: rosemaryBB on May 22, 2021, 07:03:14 PM
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Quote from: FrozenIndustries on May 22, 2021, 02:54:32 PM
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Put Krepers in my 55 classics and 159s. Used JB weld, everything seems very solid.

(https://i.imgur.com/aWfyEOc.jpg)


[close]

For people who do the Krux, Kreper, Grindking kingpin hack how does this affect the looseness of your trucks? How loose do you normally run your trucks?

Maybe a harder question to get an answer to, but is there a difference between the three options or is it just a matter of what you can get your hands on?
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I can't speak for Indys, but I did the Ace with the Krux kingpin and I can tell you that you better like loose trucks if you go this way. There are simply not enough threads on the kingpin to really squish down your bushings in a meaningful way. I've thought about threading the bolt deeper (which might cause it to fail), but I don't have the right die, so I'd have to borrow and buy one. Alternatively, I could buy a comically expensive titanium button-head Allen bolt of the appropriate thread pitch, but I just cannot justify spending another $30 on a pair of Ace trucks worn almost to the axle.
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I've logged about 5 and change hours on my Indys with Kreper pins and they have been staying where I adjusted them to just fine (easy to keep track of with the very cool and spooky graphic etched into the top). I need to take them out tomorrow to put some riptides pivot cups in, so when I do I will compare threading length on these versus a set of Krux DLKs I have. Pics to come.

I put a Kreper in my 55 classics as well, but I haven't been feeling them so they've just been sitting. That being said, Aces have some very tall bushings so they might make it  harder to get the kingpin into the unlock zone. So maybe some taller bushings and a lower top? The cavity on Ace classics is very small, though, so the KP might stick into the board.

To be clear, there is absolutely no problem with the Krux kingpins in my Ace trucks coming loose or moving on their own in any way. I would recommend this mod to anyone who wants to do so and who likes their trucks loose. I merely did the mod because both of the factory kingpins rattled loose from the baseplate, and I figured that instead of complaining to Ace or using JB Weld to try and keep them in place, I would experiment with the Krux kingpin.

It is entirely possible that the threads run longer with the Kreper/GK kingpin, which would allow a better range of adjustment. I've been tempted by them on eBay, maybe I'll buy a pair and provide measurements for the curious. Even if it's too long, I have a workshop and it would be simple enough to cut it down to fit.

Again though, the real problem here is the same question - how much do I want to invest into a pair of 80% worn out Ace?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 26, 2021, 09:08:38 PM
Quote from: Peepeeboy69 on May 26, 2021, 12:01:44 PM
Anybody know whats the hardness of stock thunder bushings? I'm trying to buy replacements for my 149s but none of the bushings thunder sells look exactly like the stock ones, might just be pictures being weird.
Quote from: bbk on May 26, 2021, 12:13:30 PM
supposed to be 90, so white or yellow.

Yep, 90 duro so there are two options:

One page back, pic there of the bushing cylinders.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3565643#msg3565643


The other option if you cannot find those specific ones is the rebuild kit, which has the bushings, as well as all the coloured nuts, washers and pivot cups too, but the red one is 90.

Might be a bit much with all that jazz, but at least they have the bushings in there and those kits seemed like they were everywhere, or at least a lot more around than just the bushing cylinders.


Note:  I just found a better pic from DLX with current coloured bushings, so I guess they have two 90 in either colour, but there seem like there are still some white or yellow around in online shops, eg these two:

https://www.paradeworld.com/products/thunder-bushings-90a-yellow-175-5909431353507/

https://skateparkoftampa.com/thunder-bushing-tube-90-durometer-bushings-yellow-76940-8


(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1874/5011/products/24-hardware-bushings-square_2000x.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 27, 2021, 12:49:29 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on May 26, 2021, 02:36:52 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on May 26, 2021, 02:20:53 PM
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Quote from: manysnakes on May 26, 2021, 02:09:52 PM
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Quote from: rosemaryBB on May 22, 2021, 07:03:14 PM
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Quote from: FrozenIndustries on May 22, 2021, 02:54:32 PM
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Put Krepers in my 55 classics and 159s. Used JB weld, everything seems very solid.

(https://i.imgur.com/aWfyEOc.jpg)


[close]

For people who do the Krux, Kreper, Grindking kingpin hack how does this affect the looseness of your trucks? How loose do you normally run your trucks?

Maybe a harder question to get an answer to, but is there a difference between the three options or is it just a matter of what you can get your hands on?
[close]

I can't speak for Indys, but I did the Ace with the Krux kingpin and I can tell you that you better like loose trucks if you go this way. There are simply not enough threads on the kingpin to really squish down your bushings in a meaningful way. I've thought about threading the bolt deeper (which might cause it to fail), but I don't have the right die, so I'd have to borrow and buy one. Alternatively, I could buy a comically expensive titanium button-head Allen bolt of the appropriate thread pitch, but I just cannot justify spending another $30 on a pair of Ace trucks worn almost to the axle.
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I've logged about 5 and change hours on my Indys with Kreper pins and they have been staying where I adjusted them to just fine (easy to keep track of with the very cool and spooky graphic etched into the top). I need to take them out tomorrow to put some riptides pivot cups in, so when I do I will compare threading length on these versus a set of Krux DLKs I have. Pics to come.

I put a Kreper in my 55 classics as well, but I haven't been feeling them so they've just been sitting. That being said, Aces have some very tall bushings so they might make it  harder to get the kingpin into the unlock zone. So maybe some taller bushings and a lower top? The cavity on Ace classics is very small, though, so the KP might stick into the board.
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To be clear, there is absolutely no problem with the Krux kingpins in my Ace trucks coming loose or moving on their own in any way. I would recommend this mod to anyone who wants to do so and who likes their trucks loose. I merely did the mod because both of the factory kingpins rattled loose from the baseplate, and I figured that instead of complaining to Ace or using JB Weld to try and keep them in place, I would experiment with the Krux kingpin.

It is entirely possible that the threads run longer with the Kreper/GK kingpin, which would allow a better range of adjustment. I've been tempted by them on eBay, maybe I'll buy a pair and provide measurements for the curious. Even if it's too long, I have a workshop and it would be simple enough to cut it down to fit.

Again though, the real problem here is the same question - how much do I want to invest into a pair of 80% worn out Ace?

Here is a Kreper/Krux comparison photo:

(https://i.imgur.com/WgOG4zK.jpg)

Krux has about 11mm of threading, Kreper has about 17mm. So it seems like you could make the Krepers much tighter if you wanted.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on May 27, 2021, 12:56:42 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on May 27, 2021, 12:49:29 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on May 26, 2021, 02:36:52 PM
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Quote from: FrozenIndustries on May 26, 2021, 02:20:53 PM
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Quote from: manysnakes on May 26, 2021, 02:09:52 PM
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Quote from: rosemaryBB on May 22, 2021, 07:03:14 PM
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Quote from: FrozenIndustries on May 22, 2021, 02:54:32 PM
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Put Krepers in my 55 classics and 159s. Used JB weld, everything seems very solid.

(https://i.imgur.com/aWfyEOc.jpg)


[close]

For people who do the Krux, Kreper, Grindking kingpin hack how does this affect the looseness of your trucks? How loose do you normally run your trucks?

Maybe a harder question to get an answer to, but is there a difference between the three options or is it just a matter of what you can get your hands on?
[close]

I can't speak for Indys, but I did the Ace with the Krux kingpin and I can tell you that you better like loose trucks if you go this way. There are simply not enough threads on the kingpin to really squish down your bushings in a meaningful way. I've thought about threading the bolt deeper (which might cause it to fail), but I don't have the right die, so I'd have to borrow and buy one. Alternatively, I could buy a comically expensive titanium button-head Allen bolt of the appropriate thread pitch, but I just cannot justify spending another $30 on a pair of Ace trucks worn almost to the axle.
[close]

I've logged about 5 and change hours on my Indys with Kreper pins and they have been staying where I adjusted them to just fine (easy to keep track of with the very cool and spooky graphic etched into the top). I need to take them out tomorrow to put some riptides pivot cups in, so when I do I will compare threading length on these versus a set of Krux DLKs I have. Pics to come.

I put a Kreper in my 55 classics as well, but I haven't been feeling them so they've just been sitting. That being said, Aces have some very tall bushings so they might make it  harder to get the kingpin into the unlock zone. So maybe some taller bushings and a lower top? The cavity on Ace classics is very small, though, so the KP might stick into the board.
[close]

To be clear, there is absolutely no problem with the Krux kingpins in my Ace trucks coming loose or moving on their own in any way. I would recommend this mod to anyone who wants to do so and who likes their trucks loose. I merely did the mod because both of the factory kingpins rattled loose from the baseplate, and I figured that instead of complaining to Ace or using JB Weld to try and keep them in place, I would experiment with the Krux kingpin.

It is entirely possible that the threads run longer with the Kreper/GK kingpin, which would allow a better range of adjustment. I've been tempted by them on eBay, maybe I'll buy a pair and provide measurements for the curious. Even if it's too long, I have a workshop and it would be simple enough to cut it down to fit.

Again though, the real problem here is the same question - how much do I want to invest into a pair of 80% worn out Ace?
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Here is a Kreper/Krux comparison photo:

(https://i.imgur.com/WgOG4zK.jpg)

Krux has about 11mm of threading, Kreper has about 17mm. So it seems like you could make the Krepers much tighter if you wanted.

Perfect! This is golden knowledge!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on May 27, 2021, 01:27:54 PM
Another thing that makes the Kreper pins better is there's no separate washer to cut into the top of the bushings. Krux has a custom washer that's counter sunk with the kingpin head that really does change the way the trucks turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 28, 2021, 12:22:42 PM
Quote from: Firebert on May 27, 2021, 01:27:54 PM
Another thing that makes the Kreper pins better is there's no separate washer to cut into the top of the bushings. Krux has a custom washer that's counter sunk with the kingpin head that really does change the way the trucks turn.

Honestly, I've never felt the krux washer impacts the turn on any truck I've used it on, it's just a cupped washer, albeit a bit bigger.

Moreover, the decreased resistance in grinding due to its shape far outweighs any slight (if there is any) decrease in turning (which the cupped washers due limit at a certain point); but I ride so loose that I wouldn't notice in the first place =P
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on May 28, 2021, 04:31:24 PM
It seems like the two things a user could change which would effect how a truck skates would be the stack height of the lowest washer and bushings, along with bushing durometer. Unless I am conceiving of it all wrong, I don't see how a top washer would effect a truck's performance, except nominally with how it interacts with the bushing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 28, 2021, 07:40:30 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on May 28, 2021, 04:31:24 PM
It seems like the two things a user could change which would effect how a truck skates would be the stack height of the lowest washer and bushings, along with bushing durometer. Unless I am conceiving of it all wrong, I don't see how a top washer would effect a truck's performance, except nominally with how it interacts with the bushing.

Some people say the top is very important and they can feel any difference with it, but I have been using lower top bushings (either cutting them down or using the stock Indy low tops) for almost 20 years or more, as well as having to do that in the 80s when your trucks wore down too much and that was the only way to make them last longer.

It definitely changes things having a different height with the bottom bushing assembly, which I have tried and not liked at all.  Leaving the bottom as it should be and having lower heads / top bushings, with lower kingpin nuts and cutting off the top of the kingpin makes it a much easier, longer lasting setup and I don't need to buy anything else (like inverted kingpin assemblies) or do much more than grind down the kingpin and away I go for the life of the truck.

I prefer a slightly harder set of bushings (92a) with low tops which make the truck still able to turn a whole lot but not being so sloppy / loose that it is unmanageable, but any bushings can be altered to fit any setup.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on June 01, 2021, 11:10:15 AM
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Put Krepers in my 55 classics and 159s. Used JB weld, everything seems very solid.

(https://i.imgur.com/aWfyEOc.jpg)


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For people who do the Krux, Kreper, Grindking kingpin hack how does this affect the looseness of your trucks? How loose do you normally run your trucks?

Maybe a harder question to get an answer to, but is there a difference between the three options or is it just a matter of what you can get your hands on?
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I can't speak for Indys, but I did the Ace with the Krux kingpin and I can tell you that you better like loose trucks if you go this way. There are simply not enough threads on the kingpin to really squish down your bushings in a meaningful way. I've thought about threading the bolt deeper (which might cause it to fail), but I don't have the right die, so I'd have to borrow and buy one. Alternatively, I could buy a comically expensive titanium button-head Allen bolt of the appropriate thread pitch, but I just cannot justify spending another $30 on a pair of Ace trucks worn almost to the axle.
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I've logged about 5 and change hours on my Indys with Kreper pins and they have been staying where I adjusted them to just fine (easy to keep track of with the very cool and spooky graphic etched into the top). I need to take them out tomorrow to put some riptides pivot cups in, so when I do I will compare threading length on these versus a set of Krux DLKs I have. Pics to come.

I put a Kreper in my 55 classics as well, but I haven't been feeling them so they've just been sitting. That being said, Aces have some very tall bushings so they might make it  harder to get the kingpin into the unlock zone. So maybe some taller bushings and a lower top? The cavity on Ace classics is very small, though, so the KP might stick into the board.
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To be clear, there is absolutely no problem with the Krux kingpins in my Ace trucks coming loose or moving on their own in any way. I would recommend this mod to anyone who wants to do so and who likes their trucks loose. I merely did the mod because both of the factory kingpins rattled loose from the baseplate, and I figured that instead of complaining to Ace or using JB Weld to try and keep them in place, I would experiment with the Krux kingpin.

It is entirely possible that the threads run longer with the Kreper/GK kingpin, which would allow a better range of adjustment. I've been tempted by them on eBay, maybe I'll buy a pair and provide measurements for the curious. Even if it's too long, I have a workshop and it would be simple enough to cut it down to fit.

Again though, the real problem here is the same question - how much do I want to invest into a pair of 80% worn out Ace?
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Here is a Kreper/Krux comparison photo:

(https://i.imgur.com/WgOG4zK.jpg)

Krux has about 11mm of threading, Kreper has about 17mm. So it seems like you could make the Krepers much tighter if you wanted.

I ended up buying some Kreper pins from eBay. Haven’t set them up yet, but if you’re a weight weenie it’s worth noting that they are 36g per kingpin, while the Krux Downlow come in 28g with washer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on June 02, 2021, 11:58:23 AM
I have some older "stage 2" Ace's that are very worn down and starting to slow down on grinds due to my kingpin catching. I ride stock Ace bushings but always go no top washer, as I would with any truck since I find it always limits the full potential of the turn. Therefore, I have to crank the kingpin nut down a few threads till it gets to the point where I can't spin my bottom bushing with my finger tips.

My question is, if I knocked out these kingpins with a hammer and vice grip, since my set up allows the nylock to catch a few threads in rather than just being flush, is it safe to leave them without the JB Weld and the nut won't like vibrate loose several threads up and then end up falling off? I know I'd have to remove the trucks to loosen/tighten but I'm not worried about that part, just want to know if they're safe to roll and grind on without my hanger falling off. Shalom
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 02, 2021, 12:09:54 PM
Quote from: logjammin on June 02, 2021, 11:58:23 AM
I have some older "stage 2" Ace's that are very worn down and starting to slow down on grinds due to my kingpin catching. I ride stock Ace bushings but always go no top washer, as I would with any truck since I find it always limits the full potential of the turn. Therefore, I have to crank the kingpin nut down a few threads till it gets to the point where I can't spin my bottom bushing with my finger tips.

My question is, if I knocked out these kingpins with a hammer and vice grip, since my set up allows the nylock to catch a few threads in rather than just being flush, is it safe to leave them without the JB Weld and the nut won't like vibrate loose several threads up and then end up falling off? I know I'd have to remove the trucks to loosen/tighten but I'm not worried about that part, just want to know if they're safe to roll and grind on without my hanger falling off. Shalom

Is there a reason that you don't want to use JB Weld? Given the size of the cavity in Aces, I don't think that you would be able to tighten them at all without the nut being welded into place.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on June 02, 2021, 12:16:15 PM
Just time and laziness, I guess. I read you can wedge a flathead to hold the nut while you tighten the inverted kingpin, so if I have like 3-4 threads engaged with the nylock I'll know it's my desired looseness and can just mount them. But if the nut has the potential to come loose and fall off, I guess I'd bite the bullet and get the JB Weld. Thanks for your response, shalom
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 02, 2021, 12:40:14 PM
Quote from: logjammin on June 02, 2021, 12:16:15 PM
Just time and laziness, I guess. I read you can wedge a flathead to hold the nut while you tighten the inverted kingpin, so if I have like 3-4 threads engaged with the nylock I'll know it's my desired looseness and can just mount them. But if the nut has the potential to come loose and fall off, I guess I'd bite the bullet and get the JB Weld. Thanks for your response, shalom


Worth mentioning that unless you're using risers that can accommodate it, you'll need to file down a little bit of the nut due to the cavity in the Aces being so shallow (I can post pics later). So it seems like it has the potential to rattle loose.

That all being said, the JB weld thing seems kind of weird and intimidating at first, but ended up being super easy. I did it at the end of my session one afternoon and they were ready to go by the next. You've probably seen this video, but:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGAmiSzPsc4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGAmiSzPsc4)

Just mind what he says about leaving a couple threads exposed so you have some play when getting the IKP out the first time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on June 02, 2021, 01:21:57 PM
The video is decent, but a couple of things worth adding

1) Use a vise, if you can. Set the jaws an inch or so apart and hammer the kingpin out that way. Don't hammer on concrete, if you don't have to.
2) Use making tape to mask off the area around the hole for much easier clean-up.
3) Make sure you set the nut initially with the kingpin in, so that it's oriented the correct direction when you reassemble the truck. Leaving the kingpin in so far, with threads sticking out, seems like a bad idea, but maybe it works for some people. I leave it in a few MM and just run a tap through it when I'm done.
4) Shaving the bushing is completely unnecessary. The geometry is not affected by the orientation of the kingpin. I suppose you'll get additional clearance, but with the inverted kingpin, you're already going to be well below the axle, so must of us will have replaced our trucks before we're going to getting hung up (unless you just have crazy dip with your Smiths)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 02, 2021, 01:30:30 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on June 02, 2021, 01:21:57 PM
The video is decent, but a couple of things worth adding

1) Use a vise, if you can. Set the jaws an inch or so apart and hammer the kingpin out that way. Don't hammer on concrete, if you don't have to.
2) Use making tape to mask off the area around the hole for much easier clean-up.
3) Make sure you set the nut initially with the kingpin in, so that it's oriented the correct direction when you reassemble the truck. Leaving the kingpin in so far, with threads sticking out, seems like a bad idea, but maybe it works for some people. I leave it in a few MM and just run a tap through it when I'm done.
4) Shaving the bushing is completely unnecessary. The geometry is not affected by the orientation of the kingpin. I suppose you'll get additional clearance, but you're going to be well below the axle, so must of us will had replaced our trucks before we're going to be hitting that kingpin (unless you just have crazy dip with your Smiths)

Yeah, don't shave the bushings. The dude even posted in the comments that he should have said that was just his preference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on June 02, 2021, 01:51:41 PM
Damn, judging by that video the nut and kingpin stick out a lot on the bottom of Ace plates. This sucks, might have to go back to Indy just for the IKP baseplates. With hangers ground down as much as mine, I really hang up on grinds. Thanks again for the responses guys, shalom
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on June 02, 2021, 02:07:56 PM
Quote from: logjammin on June 02, 2021, 01:51:41 PM
Damn, judging by that video the nut and kingpin stick out a lot on the bottom of Ace plates. This sucks, might have to go back to Indy just for the IKP baseplates. With hangers ground down as much as mine, I really hang up on grinds. Thanks again for the responses guys, shalom

I don't know what hardware that guy used, but I've used the stock nut that came with the Krux kingpin, and it sticks out like ~1mm at most. It would be easy enough to file it down, but since it's just sitting against a wooden skateboard deck, which will be easily as safely deformed by the nuts, I don't bother. Since I expect that Krux is just using off-the-shelf nuts, I imagine that any random 3/8 x 24tpi nut from the hardware store would behave the same way.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Damoforce on June 02, 2021, 06:52:08 PM
Does anyone know the height of Tensor Mag Light Lows. The Regular are 55mm just wondering what the lows are.

I think they may work on steeper decks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on June 02, 2021, 07:29:54 PM
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Damn, judging by that video the nut and kingpin stick out a lot on the bottom of Ace plates. This sucks, might have to go back to Indy just for the IKP baseplates. With hangers ground down as much as mine, I really hang up on grinds. Thanks again for the responses guys, shalom
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I don't know what hardware that guy used, but I've used the stock nut that came with the Krux kingpin, and it sticks out like ~1mm at most. It would be easy enough to file it down, but since it's just sitting against a wooden skateboard deck, which will be easily as safely deformed by the nuts, I don't bother. Since I expect that Krux is just using off-the-shelf nuts, I imagine that any random 3/8 x 24tpi nut from the hardware store would behave the same way.

Dude I actually realized I have some modus risers, and although they stick out a little bit, they have a hole cut out where the kingpin is, so I can run em without the nut digging into the board. I'll try to post pics of it all finished, shalom
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 03, 2021, 01:50:32 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on May 28, 2021, 04:31:24 PM
It seems like the two things a user could change which would effect how a truck skates would be the stack height of the lowest washer and bushings, along with bushing durometer. Unless I am conceiving of it all wrong, I don't see how a top washer would effect a truck's performance, except nominally with how it interacts with the bushing.

i'm no engineer or truck mad scientist, this info was passed on to me by a fellow slap pal with an engineering background, but i can only back it up with my anecdotal experiences.

lets say you have a truck with the regular cone styled washers. if you look on the inside of the hangar around where the washer sits, you'll notice scratches/gouge marks from the washer itself. the info i was told is that this pinch from the washer can exert extra force on kingpins, eventually leading them to snap, plus the coned edge of the washer can dig into the top bushing and fuck it up (check the venture thread for posts on this). however in my experience it also feels like the larger washer restricts the range of movement, as it will pinch/hit the hanger if you turn too deep. ofcourse you can still turn but there's definitely some restriction imo.

again, purely anecdotal evidence but i swapped the regular venture top washer with a flat bones washer and i was definitely able to run them looser/carve better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 03, 2021, 03:11:47 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on June 03, 2021, 01:50:32 AM

Yes definitely.

I recall some older Indy trucks just didn't work and only turned so far with the washers that were on it when it came to my attention, with very clear metal marks on either side of the bushing area.

Swapped out the really big top metal washer for a smaller one and the trucks turned so much better.

I have also seen some people mistakenly put the bottom washer on top and caused similar issues.


As long as there is still enough bushing to hold the washers off the hanger, there will not be any issues with turning, even if it is cut right down or has compressed almost to nothing, which I have on some of my older boards.

Those bones washers, small, flat and very thin definitely make things different too, as do other flat washers you can get from a hardware store.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 03, 2021, 10:12:01 AM
Setup my new 149 tit indys...one axle was machined weird (or not enough), it was difficult  to get the wheels on (one more than the other), but not so bad I thought it to be a major issue, and once on, wheel is so difficult to get off the bearing will stay the axle when I yank the wheel off and it's impossible to get the bearing off...I've tried everything, started to bang off the bearing to no use, so now I've got a bronson ceramic stuck mid axle on a truck I can't fucking use, fucking livid right now.

Newer China-indys, no cross and 149 under the hanger.

Leaving it as is (yes those are hammer to truck rage marks (bearing still spins).

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uOCKVdgsgb5rhp-DWQZfh4Z11rzyDbiwrNMXaSFzCv1xi__sG7MLJUe9z0SbOqVkXN6LwplQxhG2MOlPqu6oTU0sJwFkklPuABL-VZKHIDuS6g9tsCJd0htGOE11SPzEc5MjxpNxYds=w2400)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on June 03, 2021, 10:27:34 AM
Quote from: Xen on June 03, 2021, 10:12:01 AM
Setup my new 149 tit indys...one axle was machined weird (or not enough), it was difficult  to get the wheels on (one more than the other), but not so bad I thought it to be a major issue, and once on, wheel is so difficult to get off the bearing will stay the axle when I yank the wheel off and it's impossible to get the bearing off...I've tried everything, started to bang off the bearing to no use, so now I've got a bronson ceramic stuck mid axle on a truck I can't fucking use, fucking livid right now.

Newer China-indys, no cross and 149 under the hanger.
Bad luck :(
I have the same ones and they're great. As soon I return back home I'll get some Films 5.5, i want a little magic carpet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 03, 2021, 11:23:21 AM
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Setup my new 149 tit indys...one axle was machined weird (or not enough), it was difficult  to get the wheels on (one more than the other), but not so bad I thought it to be a major issue, and once on, wheel is so difficult to get off the bearing will stay the axle when I yank the wheel off and it's impossible to get the bearing off...I've tried everything, started to bang off the bearing to no use, so now I've got a bronson ceramic stuck mid axle on a truck I can't fucking use, fucking livid right now.

Newer China-indys, no cross and 149 under the hanger.
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Bad luck :(


Indeed.

Bunk set of ACE AF1s...Bunk set of Indy TI...I should jsut fucking ride thunder or go back to tensor :P

Super bummed as I was setting it up to skate, sort of ruined the mood. Reached out to NHS, they're going to sort me out with replacements; I'd be fine with just a new hanger and one bearing :{

Was planning on fulltime switch to indy 149s starting this weekend, now I have to default to something else...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on June 03, 2021, 12:18:34 PM
Quote from: Xen on June 03, 2021, 11:23:21 AM
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Setup my new 149 tit indys...one axle was machined weird (or not enough), it was difficult  to get the wheels on (one more than the other), but not so bad I thought it to be a major issue, and once on, wheel is so difficult to get off the bearing will stay the axle when I yank the wheel off and it's impossible to get the bearing off...I've tried everything, started to bang off the bearing to no use, so now I've got a bronson ceramic stuck mid axle on a truck I can't fucking use, fucking livid right now.

Newer China-indys, no cross and 149 under the hanger.
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Bad luck :(

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Indeed. Super bummed as I was setting it up to skate, sort of ruined the mood. Reached out to NHS, they're going to sort me out; I'd be fine with just a new hanger and one bearing :{

Was planning on fulltime switch to indy 149s starting this weekend, now I have to default to something else...

Woah that is such a bummer mate and would ruin my mood too. I had that once happen with old Thunder's. Can you push the bearing toward the hangar again or is it stuck there? If you can push the bearing back a bit you can use a metal file on the axle. Or maybe the bearing itself is causing the problem and you can file something off?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 03, 2021, 12:29:25 PM
Are truck companies using slightly thicker axles? This might make sense for bearing efficiency but it could also have caused Xen's problem. I believe Ace were advertising doing this at one point and I had a stubborn bearing stuck on an Ace axle but I got it loose, thankfully.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on June 03, 2021, 12:36:25 PM
Quote from: Xen on June 03, 2021, 10:12:01 AM
Setup my new 149 tit indys...one axle was machined weird (or not enough), it was difficult  to get the wheels on (one more than the other), but not so bad I thought it to be a major issue, and once on, wheel is so difficult to get off the bearing will stay the axle when I yank the wheel off and it's impossible to get the bearing off...I've tried everything, started to bang off the bearing to no use, so now I've got a bronson ceramic stuck mid axle on a truck I can't fucking use, fucking livid right now.

Newer China-indys, no cross and 149 under the hanger.

Leaving it as is (yes those are hammer to truck rage marks (bearing still spins).

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uOCKVdgsgb5rhp-DWQZfh4Z11rzyDbiwrNMXaSFzCv1xi__sG7MLJUe9z0SbOqVkXN6LwplQxhG2MOlPqu6oTU0sJwFkklPuABL-VZKHIDuS6g9tsCJd0htGOE11SPzEc5MjxpNxYds=w2400)

If you have access to an automotive bearing puller, I expect you could remove that ceramic bearing without damage.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 03, 2021, 01:49:58 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on June 03, 2021, 12:18:34 PM
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Setup my new 149 tit indys...one axle was machined weird (or not enough), it was difficult  to get the wheels on (one more than the other), but not so bad I thought it to be a major issue, and once on, wheel is so difficult to get off the bearing will stay the axle when I yank the wheel off and it's impossible to get the bearing off...I've tried everything, started to bang off the bearing to no use, so now I've got a bronson ceramic stuck mid axle on a truck I can't fucking use, fucking livid right now.

Newer China-indys, no cross and 149 under the hanger.
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Bad luck :(

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Indeed. Super bummed as I was setting it up to skate, sort of ruined the mood. Reached out to NHS, they're going to sort me out; I'd be fine with just a new hanger and one bearing :{

Was planning on fulltime switch to indy 149s starting this weekend, now I have to default to something else...
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Woah that is such a bummer mate and would ruin my mood too. I had that once happen with old Thunder's. Can you push the bearing toward the hangar again or is it stuck there? If you can push the bearing back a bit you can use a metal file on the axle. Or maybe the bearing itself is causing the problem and you can file something off?

It's pretty much stuck right in the damn middle of the hanger...bearing is fine as I was riding them on my 159s - pretty sure I'm going to bork the bronson in getting it off (you're only as fast as your slowest bearing right?)...and even then, it's a titanium axle, not sure how much me filing is going to do..it sort of looks like it's bulging a bit (hence the tight fit)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on June 03, 2021, 02:14:35 PM
I have a set of Titanium 144s that have that same problem to a lesser extent. One of the axles is a tight fit, preventing side to side play, but not bad enough to where it pulls the bearing out of the wheel. That's insane - maybe has something to do with titanium...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Goggzy60 on June 03, 2021, 02:34:57 PM
I normally ride indys but just got a set of Destructo’s for free. Has anyone skated these recently? Are they any good? I have mostly been skating ledges recently coming back from some serious injuries so makes most sense to try them now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on June 03, 2021, 03:22:05 PM
I skated the d1 mids, mag baseplate with hollow kingpin and superlites, cast plate with hollow kingpin, and I loved them. Got axle slip on both sets, but they were great 'til then.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on June 03, 2021, 03:49:40 PM
Quote from: Firebert on June 03, 2021, 02:14:35 PM
I have a set of Titanium 144s that have that same problem to a lesser extent. One of the axles is a tight fit, preventing side to side play, but not bad enough to where it pulls the bearing out of the wheel. That's insane - maybe has something to do with titanium...
Now I feel so lucky regarding my Ti149
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Goggzy60 on June 03, 2021, 04:01:35 PM
Quote from: bbk on June 03, 2021, 03:22:05 PM
I skated the d1 mids, mag baseplate with hollow kingpin and superlites, cast plate with hollow kingpin, and I loved them. Got axle slip on both sets, but they were great 'til then.

Thanks for the info I’ll set these up and try get some axel slip on them, I have only got axel slip on indys once usually skate indys for 2 years before needing to change.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 03, 2021, 04:29:37 PM
Quote from: Firebert on June 03, 2021, 02:14:35 PM
I have a set of Titanium 144s that have that same problem to a lesser extent. One of the axles is a tight fit, preventing side to side play, but not bad enough to where it pulls the bearing out of the wheel. That's insane - maybe has something to do with titanium...

Quote from: Firebert on June 03, 2021, 02:14:35 PM
I have a set of Titanium 144s that have that same problem to a lesser extent. One of the axles is a tight fit, preventing side to side play, but not bad enough to where it pulls the bearing out of the wheel. That's insane - maybe has something to do with titanium...

My set of 144s is totally fine :\
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vitriol on June 03, 2021, 04:52:48 PM
Quote from: Xen on June 03, 2021, 10:12:01 AM
Setup my new 149 tit indys...one axle was machined weird (or not enough), it was difficult  to get the wheels on (one more than the other), but not so bad I thought it to be a major issue, and once on, wheel is so difficult to get off the bearing will stay the axle when I yank the wheel off and it's impossible to get the bearing off...I've tried everything, started to bang off the bearing to no use, so now I've got a bronson ceramic stuck mid axle on a truck I can't fucking use, fucking livid right now.

Newer China-indys, no cross and 149 under the hanger.

Leaving it as is (yes those are hammer to truck rage marks (bearing still spins).

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uOCKVdgsgb5rhp-DWQZfh4Z11rzyDbiwrNMXaSFzCv1xi__sG7MLJUe9z0SbOqVkXN6LwplQxhG2MOlPqu6oTU0sJwFkklPuABL-VZKHIDuS6g9tsCJd0htGOE11SPzEc5MjxpNxYds=w2400)

You could try dis to generate more force
(https://i.ibb.co/2P8zCVm/IMG-20210603-102329.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XpynK0N)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on June 03, 2021, 05:57:49 PM
^ best instructions ever
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on June 03, 2021, 06:16:56 PM
So I went out and bought the same gorilla glue clear epoxy as the guy in that YouTube video and did it just like him, I poured way too much in there and it gooped all over my baseplate and I had to wipe it a lot. I didn't think to get all up in the threads with a q-tip to wipe away any epoxy before it hardened, but I did a decent job with just a paper towel. Good thing I had nitrile gloves that shit was a toxic mess. I have a strong feeling I fucked up and it's gonna harden and I won't be able loosen or tighten the inverted kingpin because the threads will be bonded. I suck at anything remotely handy.

I tried to wiggle the stock ace kingpins before I hammered them out to see if they were loose at all, they weren't. But I noticed one baseplate I can wiggle the inverted kingpin back and forth quite a bit, while the other one only slightly. Does anyone know if the hole is going to keep widening causing the kingpin to have even more wobble? I guess that's why they put the shaft nut in those Indy baseplates :-\ shalom
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on June 03, 2021, 06:49:07 PM
Quote from: logjammin on June 03, 2021, 06:16:56 PM
So I went out and bought the same gorilla glue clear epoxy as the guy in that YouTube video and did it just like him, I poured way too much in there and it gooped all over my baseplate and I had to wipe it a lot. I didn't think to get all up in the threads with a q-tip to wipe away any epoxy before it hardened, but I did a decent job with just a paper towel. Good thing I had nitrile gloves that shit was a toxic mess. I have a strong feeling I fucked up and it's gonna harden and I won't be able loosen or tighten the inverted kingpin because the threads will be bonded. I suck at anything remotely handy.

I tried to wiggle the stock ace kingpins before I hammered them out to see if they were loose at all, they weren't. But I noticed one baseplate I can wiggle the inverted kingpin back and forth quite a bit, while the other one only slightly. Does anyone know if the hole is going to keep widening causing the kingpin to have even more wobble? I guess that's why they put the shaft nut in those Indy baseplates :-\ shalom

So I take from this that the nut is moving? If that's the case, I would suggest that you either failed to get the epoxy where it needed to go or else you didn't allow enough time for the stuff to cure. It will appear hard enough after 12 hours, but a full 24 is the bare minimum amount of time before it should be interacted with aggressively.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on June 03, 2021, 06:55:13 PM
I didn't move the kingpin or nut whatsoever after the epoxy was poured, just finished maybe an hour ago. I meant before I did it, I tightened the new nut onto the inverted kingpin a few threads in, then pulled it nice and flush up against the baseplate where it would properly sit, and I was able to wiggle the inverted kingpin back and forth a little bit with some good play going on, so I thought maybe that could potentially get worse over time? I might be tripping about the epoxy in the threads cause I noticed the final results of how the dude's epoxy job looked in that video looks exactly like how mine does, so I might be good. Shalom
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 04, 2021, 02:30:34 AM
Quote from: Xen on June 03, 2021, 10:12:01 AM
Setup my new 149 tit indys...one axle was machined weird (or not enough), it was difficult  to get the wheels on (one more than the other), but not so bad I thought it to be a major issue, and once on, wheel is so difficult to get off the bearing will stay the axle when I yank the wheel off and it's impossible to get the bearing off...I've tried everything, started to bang off the bearing to no use, so now I've got a bronson ceramic stuck mid axle on a truck I can't fucking use, fucking livid right now.

Newer China-indys, no cross and 149 under the hanger.

Leaving it as is (yes those are hammer to truck rage marks (bearing still spins).

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uOCKVdgsgb5rhp-DWQZfh4Z11rzyDbiwrNMXaSFzCv1xi__sG7MLJUe9z0SbOqVkXN6LwplQxhG2MOlPqu6oTU0sJwFkklPuABL-VZKHIDuS6g9tsCJd0htGOE11SPzEc5MjxpNxYds=w2400)


I have seen that a number of times over the years, almost always with rust getting in to things, so the axle with rust was thicker, which was resolved quite easily with a bit of Mob grip leftover wrapped around the axle and used like sandpaper.  That same process may or may not work on that axle too, but doing that for about a minute usually gets enough material off the axle to be able to get the bearing on and off without too much trouble.

Note some bearings have wider centers than others too, which was interesting to note, as one brand just wouldn't fit at all but another brand fit easily with one random set of trucks that had thicker axles than usual.


Also had to deal with bearings rusted on to the axle too, and a couple that were stuck like that, even after one guy cut the whole wheel off to try to get at the bearing, but this is what worked the best:

Put the complete board on the side, that axle end down on the solid concrete ground and sit some grips, pliers or something over the bearing, almost gripping the axle but not quite.  Then use the hammer and hit the grips in a downward motion as close to the axle as you can and that should result in your bearing staying in one piece and the grips forcing the whole bearing off the axle.

I have also used a short / medium flat head screwdriver jammed against the bearing core and axle and hammer, going more gently hitting on one side then the other until it has come off, from being in the same position (axle facing down and end on the ground) letting gravity do the work for you too.

Push the speed rings down so you are hitting / pressing on them too.


@Vitriol has the right way of it, only it is harder to get into that position and I try to always do things in the simplest way with the least amount of tools possible, given most of the issues are either at the shop or at a skatepark / spot where you might not have everything at your disposal.

Gnarred for effort though!


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 04, 2021, 05:42:41 AM
Quote from: logjammin on June 03, 2021, 06:16:56 PM
So I went out and bought the same gorilla glue clear epoxy as the guy in that YouTube video and did it just like him, I poured way too much in there and it gooped all over my baseplate and I had to wipe it a lot. I didn't think to get all up in the threads with a q-tip to wipe away any epoxy before it hardened, but I did a decent job with just a paper towel. Good thing I had nitrile gloves that shit was a toxic mess. I have a strong feeling I fucked up and it's gonna harden and I won't be able loosen or tighten the inverted kingpin because the threads will be bonded. I suck at anything remotely handy.

I tried to wiggle the stock ace kingpins before I hammered them out to see if they were loose at all, they weren't. But I noticed one baseplate I can wiggle the inverted kingpin back and forth quite a bit, while the other one only slightly. Does anyone know if the hole is going to keep widening causing the kingpin to have even more wobble? I guess that's why they put the shaft nut in those Indy baseplates :-\ shalom


This might have been put up a few times before and apologies if you don't have Instagram to be able to go through the comments and information, but this guy by far has the most comprehensive and successful conversion techniques.

This is the comment from this post alone, but that hashtag is seriously good for any inverted kingpin info, pics, videos, etc:


Good day as any to flip your kingpins.

NEVER HANG UP AGAIN

Victor Earhart showed me this hack long before ‘Grind Kings’ were ‘invented.’
In fact -inverted kingpins are older than Urethane Skateboard wheels. The first roller skates had inverted kingpins since 1905.

Instead of DMing with questions.
Study the photos and check out
#fuckwithyourtrucks
It’s all in there


https://www.instagram.com/p/CNBXrN3l1YZ/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: slutbang666 on June 04, 2021, 06:54:23 AM
Has anyone had any luck going from 149 to 147s and maintaining their 50 50s on tranny? Ledges are fine on smaller trucks but I blow 50 50s and pivot fakies on smaller trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TimmyB88 on June 04, 2021, 10:26:51 AM
Quote from: slutbang666 on June 04, 2021, 06:54:23 AM
Has anyone had any luck going from 149 to 147s and maintaining their 50 50s on tranny? Ledges are fine on smaller trucks but I blow 50 50s and pivot fakies on smaller trucks.

Go back up to the adult sized trucks. Better yet go 159ers!  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on June 04, 2021, 05:25:19 PM
Quote from: TimmyB88 on June 04, 2021, 10:26:51 AM
Quote from: slutbang666 on June 04, 2021, 06:54:23 AM
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Has anyone had any luck going from 149 to 147s and maintaining their 50 50s on tranny? Ledges are fine on smaller trucks but I blow 50 50s and pivot fakies on smaller trucks.
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Go back up to the adult sized trucks. Better yet go 159ers!  ;D
Or get into the happy medium that 148s are.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 04, 2021, 05:31:04 PM
Quote from: TimmyB88 on June 04, 2021, 10:26:51 AM
Quote from: slutbang666 on June 04, 2021, 06:54:23 AM
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Has anyone had any luck going from 149 to 147s and maintaining their 50 50s on tranny? Ledges are fine on smaller trucks but I blow 50 50s and pivot fakies on smaller trucks.
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Go back up to the adult sized trucks. Better yet go 159ers!  ;D

Inarguably the GREATEST skater of our times, Ishod, skates 147s.





I’ve been having the most fun on ace 44c/55c, abs 5.8s, but yeah
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: slutbang666 on June 04, 2021, 06:32:52 PM
Quote from: moonordie on June 04, 2021, 05:25:19 PM
Quote from: TimmyB88 on June 04, 2021, 10:26:51 AM
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Quote from: slutbang666 on June 04, 2021, 06:54:23 AM
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Has anyone had any luck going from 149 to 147s and maintaining their 50 50s on tranny? Ledges are fine on smaller trucks but I blow 50 50s and pivot fakies on smaller trucks.
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Go back up to the adult sized trucks. Better yet go 159ers!  ;D
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Or get into the happy medium that 148s are.

I’ve rode 144 independents and 148 thunders still threw me off. It’s Probably more of a mental thing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OldCandy on June 04, 2021, 08:18:11 PM
standard thunders 8.0 + 1/8 hard plastic risers - 1/3 of the kingpin nut thread showing

turns like shit but If i go any looser it starts getting daewonny

grinds and pops like a dream (14.5wb) at least on perfect park ledges, i lost my slappys, they don't climb anymore
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 04, 2021, 08:34:51 PM
Quote from: slutbang666 on June 04, 2021, 06:54:23 AM
Has anyone had any luck going from 149 to 147s and maintaining their 50 50s on tranny? Ledges are fine on smaller trucks but I blow 50 50s and pivot fakies on smaller trucks.

Muscle memory is not something to doubt.

If you are so used to a certain width truck, it is often weird to change, even a little bit.

Ishod runs 147s with 3 washers on the inside of each wheel, which makes them pretty much 148s anyway.

You could do the same which will bring the wheels out another couple of mm on each side and make them a bit more like wider trucks, but there are still going to be differences.

What size deck do you ride them on?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on June 04, 2021, 08:50:39 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qXYsxNFl.png)

IKP turned out to be a success! Did a low top Ace bushing for more clearance. Hi bottom to maintain geo with a flat washer. I still scraped on the edge of it a couple times being at a sharp angle on this steep/mini almost jersey barrier-esque obstacle at my local, but I suppose no IKP will be immune to gettin touched. Thanks to everyone who responded! Shalom

Oh, and Ace risers have a perfect cutout in the "C" part so the IKP doesn't poke into the riser or deck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on June 05, 2021, 07:15:06 AM
Quote from: logjammin on June 04, 2021, 08:50:39 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qXYsxNFl.png)

IKP turned out to be a success! Did a low top Ace bushing for more clearance. Hi bottom to maintain geo with a flat washer. I still scraped on the edge of it a couple times being at a sharp angle on this steep/mini almost jersey barrier-esque obstacle at my local, but I suppose no IKP will be immune to gettin touched. Thanks to everyone who responded! Shalom

Oh, and Ace risers have a perfect cutout in the "C" part so the IKP doesn't poke into the riser or deck

That looks so clean! Happy it worked out for you
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 05, 2021, 08:53:51 AM
Quote from: Paperclip20 on June 05, 2021, 07:15:06 AM
Quote from: logjammin on June 04, 2021, 08:50:39 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/qXYsxNFl.png)

IKP turned out to be a success! Did a low top Ace bushing for more clearance. Hi bottom to maintain geo with a flat washer. I still scraped on the edge of it a couple times being at a sharp angle on this steep/mini almost jersey barrier-esque obstacle at my local, but I suppose no IKP will be immune to gettin touched. Thanks to everyone who responded! Shalom

Oh, and Ace risers have a perfect cutout in the "C" part so the IKP doesn't poke into the riser or deck
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That looks so clean! Happy it worked out for you

Yeah, this looks great. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crabby_Bastard on June 05, 2021, 10:42:06 AM
Quote from: slutbang666 on June 04, 2021, 06:54:23 AM
Has anyone had any luck going from 149 to 147s and maintaining their 50 50s on tranny? Ledges are fine on smaller trucks but I blow 50 50s and pivot fakies on smaller trucks.

Yes, I have and I much preferred the 147s to the 149s. I ran 2 washers on the inside of the wheels with the 147s and rode them with 8.1"-8.25" decks. But once 148s came out I switched to those because they are a little taller and I get less wheel bite. I still have a few sets of 147s and I will set them up from time to time and they always feel great except for fakie tricks on flat. Always bad wheel bite.

I skate a lot of transition and grinds of any kind just lock in better for me on 147s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on June 05, 2021, 11:45:03 AM
Quote from: logjammin on June 04, 2021, 08:50:39 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qXYsxNFl.png)

IKP turned out to be a success! Did a low top Ace bushing for more clearance. Hi bottom to maintain geo with a flat washer. I still scraped on the edge of it a couple times being at a sharp angle on this steep/mini almost jersey barrier-esque obstacle at my local, but I suppose no IKP will be immune to gettin touched. Thanks to everyone who responded! Shalom

Oh, and Ace risers have a perfect cutout in the "C" part so the IKP doesn't poke into the riser or deck

Is that the titanium bolt from the hardware supplier?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kevve on June 05, 2021, 02:35:08 PM
Does no washers on the inside work ok or Will it stop the wheel?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on June 05, 2021, 08:25:43 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on June 05, 2021, 11:45:03 AM
Quote from: logjammin on June 04, 2021, 08:50:39 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/qXYsxNFl.png)

IKP turned out to be a success! Did a low top Ace bushing for more clearance. Hi bottom to maintain geo with a flat washer. I still scraped on the edge of it a couple times being at a sharp angle on this steep/mini almost jersey barrier-esque obstacle at my local, but I suppose no IKP will be immune to gettin touched. Thanks to everyone who responded! Shalom

Oh, and Ace risers have a perfect cutout in the "C" part so the IKP doesn't poke into the riser or deck
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Is that the titanium bolt from the hardware supplier?

Yeah I have it bookmarked on my laptop or else I'd throw the link in here but it was from "speedway motors" shalom
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on June 05, 2021, 08:35:59 PM
Quote from: logjammin on June 05, 2021, 08:25:43 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on June 05, 2021, 11:45:03 AM
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Quote from: logjammin on June 04, 2021, 08:50:39 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/qXYsxNFl.png)

IKP turned out to be a success! Did a low top Ace bushing for more clearance. Hi bottom to maintain geo with a flat washer. I still scraped on the edge of it a couple times being at a sharp angle on this steep/mini almost jersey barrier-esque obstacle at my local, but I suppose no IKP will be immune to gettin touched. Thanks to everyone who responded! Shalom

Oh, and Ace risers have a perfect cutout in the "C" part so the IKP doesn't poke into the riser or deck
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Is that the titanium bolt from the hardware supplier?
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Yeah I have it bookmarked on my laptop or else I'd throw the link in here but it was from "speedway motors" shalom

I'm going to guess this
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Tru-Lite-Titanium-Seat-Bolt-3-8-24-Thread-x-2-Inch,34338.html

or this
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Tru-Lite-Titanium-Seat-Bolt-3-8-24-Thread-x-2-1-4-Inch,33371.html

Either way, glad to see that it worked. I can't justify sinking the cash into my clapped out trucks which already work perfectly well with the Krux kingpin, but this seems like relevant information for this thread. I'm curious, did you happen to weigh them?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 05, 2021, 08:41:09 PM
Quote from: Kevve on June 05, 2021, 02:35:08 PM
Does no washers on the inside work ok or Will it stop the wheel?

It often depends on which truck, which bearings and even sometimes if you run bearings with or without shields.

Some bearings have a much wider middle bit than others, some trucks have almost a built in washer (Ace AF1) and some have big wide ends that anything will catch on, etc.

Best way is set them up without and have a roll around and then check to see if there is any rubbing.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: slutbang666 on June 05, 2021, 08:42:40 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on June 04, 2021, 08:34:51 PM
Quote from: slutbang666 on June 04, 2021, 06:54:23 AM
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Has anyone had any luck going from 149 to 147s and maintaining their 50 50s on tranny? Ledges are fine on smaller trucks but I blow 50 50s and pivot fakies on smaller trucks.
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Muscle memory is not something to doubt.

If you are so used to a certain width truck, it is often weird to change, even a little bit.

Ishod runs 147s with 3 washers on the inside of each wheel, which makes them pretty much 148s anyway.

You could do the same which will bring the wheels out another couple of mm on each side and make them a bit more like wider trucks, but there are still going to be differences.

What size deck do you ride them on?

I ride an 8 or 8.18 now but  I rode an 8.5 for 15 years straight with 149 independents. I love the smaller boards with shorter wb because I’m short, I just skate ramps on 8 inch trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 05, 2021, 08:52:48 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on June 04, 2021, 08:34:51 PM
Quote from: slutbang666 on June 04, 2021, 06:54:23 AM
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Has anyone had any luck going from 149 to 147s and maintaining their 50 50s on tranny? Ledges are fine on smaller trucks but I blow 50 50s and pivot fakies on smaller trucks.
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Muscle memory is not something to doubt.

If you are so used to a certain width truck, it is often weird to change, even a little bit.


This is very true, I’m gonna reveal my secret now

I went back to 129/145/5.0/whatever size number is below 8 they call it anymore and my skating has been so much better

Greatly

I can tre flip first try, and all because my trucks are so much in the tipping and all that is quicker and lighter and I’m back to riding 7.8-8

I’m back to the early 2000’s boys

Maybe my shoe size/feet barely ever grew so my ratio were never to be modified

Size 9 shoe btw if anyone’s wondering my shoe size to board size ratio
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 05, 2021, 10:43:32 PM
Those kingpins would look way better than that mindy mess...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: RichardBarkley on June 05, 2021, 11:18:04 PM
Quote from: rob on June 05, 2021, 08:52:48 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on June 04, 2021, 08:34:51 PM
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Quote from: slutbang666 on June 04, 2021, 06:54:23 AM
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Has anyone had any luck going from 149 to 147s and maintaining their 50 50s on tranny? Ledges are fine on smaller trucks but I blow 50 50s and pivot fakies on smaller trucks.
[close]

Muscle memory is not something to doubt.

If you are so used to a certain width truck, it is often weird to change, even a little bit.

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This is very true, I’m gonna reveal my secret now

I went back to 129/145/5.0/whatever size number is below 8 they call it anymore and my skating has been so much better

Greatly

I can tre flip first try, and all because my trucks are so much in the tipping and all that is quicker and lighter and I’m back to riding 7.8-8

I’m back to the early 2000’s boys

Maybe my shoe size/feet barely ever grew so my ratio were never to be modified

Size 9 shoe btw if anyone’s wondering my shoe size to board size ratio

Nice one man

I'm running venture low 5.0 on an 8 and life is a dream.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 06, 2021, 03:48:07 AM
Quote from: slutbang666 on June 05, 2021, 08:42:40 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on June 04, 2021, 08:34:51 PM
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Quote from: slutbang666 on June 04, 2021, 06:54:23 AM
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Has anyone had any luck going from 149 to 147s and maintaining their 50 50s on tranny? Ledges are fine on smaller trucks but I blow 50 50s and pivot fakies on smaller trucks.
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Muscle memory is not something to doubt.

If you are so used to a certain width truck, it is often weird to change, even a little bit.

Ishod runs 147s with 3 washers on the inside of each wheel, which makes them pretty much 148s anyway.

You could do the same which will bring the wheels out another couple of mm on each side and make them a bit more like wider trucks, but there are still going to be differences.

What size deck do you ride them on?
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I ride an 8 or 8.18 now but  I rode an 8.5 for 15 years straight with 149 independents. I love the smaller boards with shorter wb because I’m short, I just skate ramps on 8 inch trucks.

Ha yeah it is almost the opposite - had the 8.12 on 147 thunders or more commonly 139 Indy trucks for a long time, but getting more lazy and happy on bigger the 149s on around 8.5 is easier nowdays.

Curious to see if the extra inside washer thing makes any difference, not a worry if you try it or not.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on June 06, 2021, 04:13:07 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on June 05, 2021, 08:35:59 PM
Quote from: logjammin on June 05, 2021, 08:25:43 PM
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Quote from: manysnakes on June 05, 2021, 11:45:03 AM
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Quote from: logjammin on June 04, 2021, 08:50:39 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/qXYsxNFl.png)

IKP turned out to be a success! Did a low top Ace bushing for more clearance. Hi bottom to maintain geo with a flat washer. I still scraped on the edge of it a couple times being at a sharp angle on this steep/mini almost jersey barrier-esque obstacle at my local, but I suppose no IKP will be immune to gettin touched. Thanks to everyone who responded! Shalom

Oh, and Ace risers have a perfect cutout in the "C" part so the IKP doesn't poke into the riser or deck
[close]

Is that the titanium bolt from the hardware supplier?
[close]

Yeah I have it bookmarked on my laptop or else I'd throw the link in here but it was from "speedway motors" shalom
[close]

I'm going to guess this
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Tru-Lite-Titanium-Seat-Bolt-3-8-24-Thread-x-2-Inch,34338.html

or this
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Tru-Lite-Titanium-Seat-Bolt-3-8-24-Thread-x-2-1-4-Inch,33371.html

Either way, glad to see that it worked. I can't justify sinking the cash into my clapped out trucks which already work perfectly well with the Krux kingpin, but this seems like relevant information for this thread. I'm curious, did you happen to weigh them?

Thanks man! I think I did the first link, cause I remember the one review some dude says the Allen hole rounded out right away which obviously he must've done something wrong lol. I did not weigh them as I didn't have a scale. They feel like they're probably the same weight or less than a krux pin.

Interesting turn of events though, cause late last night I started hearing a clicking coming from the pins. I disassembled, then screwed just the pints back into the baseplates with a few threads sticking out, sure enough, the kingpin holes in the baseplates widened and now there's play back and forth. I'm just going to be done with my old 44's and start on my AF1's now. I was kinda pissed off about it at first but whatever, they're trucks. I can't go back to Indy and have a worse turn with the IKP plates, I'll just get the Ace kingpin rethreader thing and use that down the line when my kingpin gets fucked. Shalom
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 07, 2021, 12:20:29 PM
Okay, so I got my first sent of Indys. Coming from Ventures, I now understand why people say the latter don't turn. So I ask all you Indy guys, do I adjust, crank that kingpin, put in harder bushings, or what? I'm about 200lbs. A little guy but it's mostly muscle. Not gonna trim much weight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on June 07, 2021, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: TheCrimsonShroud on June 07, 2021, 12:20:29 PM
Okay, so I got my first sent of Indys. Coming from Ventures, I now understand why people say the latter don't turn. So I ask all you Indy guys, do I adjust, crank that kingpin, put in harder bushings, or what? I'm about 200lbs. A little guy but it's mostly muscle. Not gonna trim much weight.

I am around the same weight as you. I found the blue indy aftermarket bushings really nice and you probably don't need to crank the nuts down too much. Depends, how much turn you want from your trucks. The blue bushings are 92a if I remember correctly. Cylinder for a stable turn, Conical for a bit more surfy turn. Hope, that helps a little.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 07, 2021, 01:05:42 PM
Harder bushings > tightening trucks. Always.

Do give your stock bushings a chance to firm up, though. They often do and it feels perfect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on June 07, 2021, 01:18:10 PM
Quote from: TheCrimsonShroud on June 07, 2021, 12:20:29 PM
Okay, so I got my first sent of Indys. Coming from Ventures, I now understand why people say the latter don't turn. So I ask all you Indy guys, do I adjust, crank that kingpin, put in harder bushings, or what? I'm about 200lbs. A little guy but it's mostly muscle. Not gonna trim much weight.

I'm 182 and use the blue ones (92a).  At 200 you may want the black (94a).   Pick them both up and mess around.  Maybe even a black top and blue bottom.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 07, 2021, 02:04:24 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on June 07, 2021, 01:05:42 PM
Harder bushings > tightening trucks. Always.

Do give your stock bushings a chance to firm up, though. They often do and it feels perfect.

Yeah, in my experience fucking with the kingpin is usually more trouble than it’s worth. I really like the turn on them now, I could just use a little less surf for when I do kick tricks lol. I’ll probably implement advice in stages. Give em some time, put some harder ones in half if necessary, etc. Thanks, Slappers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheBoognish on June 07, 2021, 03:24:58 PM
Quote from: TheCrimsonShroud on June 07, 2021, 12:20:29 PM
Okay, so I got my first sent of Indys. Coming from Ventures, I now understand why people say the latter don't turn. So I ask all you Indy guys, do I adjust, crank that kingpin, put in harder bushings, or what? I'm about 200lbs. A little guy but it's mostly muscle. Not gonna trim much weight.

205er here.
I rode loose Indy’s for 18 years and from experience, the stock orange bushings get a bit firmer over time as they break in, you’ll get used to it. Play with the tightness a bit ‘til it suits you, they’re a bit of a bitch to break in when you’re not used to it. Ventures might feel even slower after a few months on Indy’s.

Only other bushings I’ve ever tried with Indy’s were the blue conical bushings for their low truck, which made them really loose, or yellow Doh-Doh’s which made the turn a bit slower, other than that, I always rode them stock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 08, 2021, 03:35:50 AM
Quote from: RichardBarkley on June 05, 2021, 11:18:04 PM
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Has anyone had any luck going from 149 to 147s and maintaining their 50 50s on tranny? Ledges are fine on smaller trucks but I blow 50 50s and pivot fakies on smaller trucks.
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Muscle memory is not something to doubt.

If you are so used to a certain width truck, it is often weird to change, even a little bit.

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This is very true, I’m gonna reveal my secret now

I went back to 129/145/5.0/whatever size number is below 8 they call it anymore and my skating has been so much better

Greatly

I can tre flip first try, and all because my trucks are so much in the tipping and all that is quicker and lighter and I’m back to riding 7.8-8

I’m back to the early 2000’s boys

Maybe my shoe size/feet barely ever grew so my ratio were never to be modified

Size 9 shoe btw if anyone’s wondering my shoe size to board size ratio
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Nice one man

I'm running venture low 5.0 on an 8 and life is a dream.

Thanks man, ha that’s one of my quiver setups

Got a generator/bbs 8” with some rare 5.0 ventures

Rare because for the life of me almost no one sells venture 5.0 anymore or they were way over priced for some regular solid team set

I get it, no one rides small stuff they don’t sell but venture 5.0?? Those were the bees knees back in the day

Janoski, pj and probably even Gino rode 5.0 ventures
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Velcro Wallet on June 08, 2021, 09:25:50 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/M6w2MdL/5041-A69-C-B9-FF-48-A2-9-E95-C122244073-AA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M6w2MdL)

These with bones hards (100kgs 6”3 here) have been my trusty cruising trucks for a while now. They are really low and thats how I rode them for ages. Then one day I thought I’d chuck some big krooked risers on and man it felt so much better for ollies n shit. Risers and soft wheels feels like you have suspension on rough surfaces. But I have SML Tom Knox 53’s atm on it. Damn fine wheel
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 08, 2021, 06:05:36 PM
Quote from: Vitriol on June 03, 2021, 04:52:48 PM
Quote from: Xen on June 03, 2021, 10:12:01 AM
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Setup my new 149 tit indys...one axle was machined weird (or not enough), it was difficult  to get the wheels on (one more than the other), but not so bad I thought it to be a major issue, and once on, wheel is so difficult to get off the bearing will stay the axle when I yank the wheel off and it's impossible to get the bearing off...I've tried everything, started to bang off the bearing to no use, so now I've got a bronson ceramic stuck mid axle on a truck I can't fucking use, fucking livid right now.

Newer China-indys, no cross and 149 under the hanger.

Leaving it as is (yes those are hammer to truck rage marks (bearing still spins).

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uOCKVdgsgb5rhp-DWQZfh4Z11rzyDbiwrNMXaSFzCv1xi__sG7MLJUe9z0SbOqVkXN6LwplQxhG2MOlPqu6oTU0sJwFkklPuABL-VZKHIDuS6g9tsCJd0htGOE11SPzEc5MjxpNxYds=w2400)
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You could try dis to generate more force
(https://i.ibb.co/2P8zCVm/IMG-20210603-102329.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XpynK0N)

Finally got it off after days of fuckery...no vice, which would have helped a ton; I drizzled some bronson ceramic oil over the axle at the bearing and let it sit for a day, after some major effort I finally got the bearing off without fucking it up (though I think I lightly sprained my thumb trying to get the bearing off :o ).

Picked up a cheap-o rotary tool off Amazon and got the axle worked enough to where I can get a bearing on and off (slight effort still, has to be at the right angle or it sticks but I can get a wheel on and off, even if it's not perfect/easy); it's hard to get at the axle where it meets the face of the hanger as the bearing would get stuck there, because of the handle of the tool causing it to angle in due to it touching the axle when trying to work...but it's enough that it doesn't look like the axle is krooked/wonky to have any inner race issues when riding (wheels spin on it fine) and the hanger face is still smooth (I use two speed rings so that's moot really); I've yet to skate them but I'm assuming everything is fine now...at least that wheel won't fly off if the nut somehow falls off...

Big pain in the ass really (especially after getting the fucked up pair or ACEAF1s)...but NHS hooked me up with a 'team box' of hard and soft goods which arrived today! Proper CS right there (told them I'd be fine with just a hanger and one bearing) as they went above and beyond.

 


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on June 08, 2021, 06:22:58 PM
Quote from: Xen on June 08, 2021, 06:05:36 PM
Quote from: Vitriol on June 03, 2021, 04:52:48 PM
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Setup my new 149 tit indys...one axle was machined weird (or not enough), it was difficult  to get the wheels on (one more than the other), but not so bad I thought it to be a major issue, and once on, wheel is so difficult to get off the bearing will stay the axle when I yank the wheel off and it's impossible to get the bearing off...I've tried everything, started to bang off the bearing to no use, so now I've got a bronson ceramic stuck mid axle on a truck I can't fucking use, fucking livid right now.

Newer China-indys, no cross and 149 under the hanger.

Leaving it as is (yes those are hammer to truck rage marks (bearing still spins).

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uOCKVdgsgb5rhp-DWQZfh4Z11rzyDbiwrNMXaSFzCv1xi__sG7MLJUe9z0SbOqVkXN6LwplQxhG2MOlPqu6oTU0sJwFkklPuABL-VZKHIDuS6g9tsCJd0htGOE11SPzEc5MjxpNxYds=w2400)
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You could try dis to generate more force
(https://i.ibb.co/2P8zCVm/IMG-20210603-102329.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XpynK0N)
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Finally got it off after days of fuckery...no vice, which would have helped a ton; I drizzled some bronson ceramic oil over the axle at the bearing and let it sit for a day, after some major effort I finally got the bearing off without fucking it up (though I think I lightly sprained my thumb trying to get the bearing off :o ).

Picked up a cheap-o rotary tool off Amazon and got the axle worked enough to where I can get a bearing on and off (slight effort still, has to be at the right angle or it sticks but I can get a wheel on and off, even if it's not perfect/easy); it's hard to get at the axle where it meets the face of the hanger as the bearing would get stuck there, because of the handle of the tool causing it to angle in due to it touching the axle when trying to work...but it's enough that it doesn't look like the axle is krooked/wonky to have any inner race issues when riding (wheels spin on it fine) and the hanger face is still smooth (I use two speed rings so that's moot really); I've yet to skate them but I'm assuming everything is fine now...at least that wheel won't fly off if the nut somehow falls off...

Big pain in the ass really (especially after getting the fucked up pair or ACEAF1s)...but NHS hooked me up with a 'team box' of hard and soft goods which arrived today! Proper CS right there (told them I'd be fine with just a hanger and one bearing) as they went above and beyond.
You know we're waiting for a photo from that "team box"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 10, 2021, 10:35:29 AM
Quote from: moonordie on June 08, 2021, 06:22:58 PM
You know we're waiting for a photo from that "team box"

@moonordie
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/8I1KBBOiv1U-SZTQgrWkRSxfAzucX1UgmruEZsZ29masBv5QoyimZl9I-kFQ2oCezsZJ1yv2uzepQTdg8BPW2Tr3-lUfRz9HGzzvcVdcj3DpGvph5uGPIaypTDH4CRzY1QXmz6EaO6E=w2400)

149 Mids and Standards
LS/SS ugly never to be worn in public bronson shirts
Raglan sweatshirt (black sleeves) with a cool hidden hoodie front style pocket, it's sort of reversed/inside (not a fan of hoodies so this is great)
Misc

Shout out to the lurking NHS crew!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on June 10, 2021, 06:48:14 PM
Quote from: Xen on June 10, 2021, 10:35:29 AM
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You know we're waiting for a photo from that "team box"
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@moonordie
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/8I1KBBOiv1U-SZTQgrWkRSxfAzucX1UgmruEZsZ29masBv5QoyimZl9I-kFQ2oCezsZJ1yv2uzepQTdg8BPW2Tr3-lUfRz9HGzzvcVdcj3DpGvph5uGPIaypTDH4CRzY1QXmz6EaO6E=w2400)

149 Mids and Standards
LS/SS ugly never to be worn in public bronson shirts
Raglan sweatshirt (black sleeves) with a cool hidden hoodie front style pocket, it's sort of reversed/inside (not a fan of hoodies so this is great)
Misc

Shout out to the lurking NHS crew!
Niceeeeeee
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on June 10, 2021, 10:15:54 PM
Quote from: Xen on June 10, 2021, 10:35:29 AM
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You know we're waiting for a photo from that "team box"
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@moonordie
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/8I1KBBOiv1U-SZTQgrWkRSxfAzucX1UgmruEZsZ29masBv5QoyimZl9I-kFQ2oCezsZJ1yv2uzepQTdg8BPW2Tr3-lUfRz9HGzzvcVdcj3DpGvph5uGPIaypTDH4CRzY1QXmz6EaO6E=w2400)

149 Mids and Standards
LS/SS ugly never to be worn in public bronson shirts
Raglan sweatshirt (black sleeves) with a cool hidden hoodie front style pocket, it's sort of reversed/inside (not a fan of hoodies so this is great)
Misc

Shout out to the lurking NHS crew!

Misc = 2 x Bronson Ceramics, damn
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 11, 2021, 11:12:54 AM
Well stickers and pins hats was more of the misc category
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Srt32srt on June 12, 2021, 09:30:08 AM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on December 20, 2015, 07:40:39 AM
Indy 139 Reynolds stage 11s
- 8.125 boards, 53mm wheels
- aftermarket Indy medium bushings

I also ride a slightly looser front truck with both kingpin nuts not completely flush, though I tighten them as I skate them more. I don't modify or remove parts from my trucks 'cause it seems contrary to the way they were designed to be used but that's just my OCD. Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to fuck with them a bit.

i use to ride a loose truck up front and tigher in the back but been skating more switch than regular and find that it makes my switch unstable, so keep them the same so the board feels the same no matter what stance im riding.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 12, 2021, 01:23:14 PM
Quote from: ChuckRamone on December 20, 2015, 07:40:39 AM

I also ride a slightly looser front truck with both kingpin nuts not completely flush, though I tighten them as I skate them more. I don't modify or remove parts from my trucks 'cause it seems contrary to the way they were designed to be used but that's just my OCD. Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to fuck with them a bit.

I'm with you on that. Hell, I don't change the laces in my shoes unless I have to. I kinda feel like things were designed a way for a reason.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 12, 2021, 01:23:45 PM
Quote from: Xtal on December 22, 2015, 01:30:08 PM
So Indy offers conical aftermarket bushings and I've never tried them so I'm finally going to pull the trigger. Conical being the same shape as bones bushings.

Anyways, I'm torn between the blue color (92a) or the red (88a). I'm a little over 200lbs and I can't ride super soft bushings, but hards take forever to break in, so I've always stuck with medium Bones. However, Indy's red ones which are considered soft, are 88a and not ridiculously soft like Bones' 81a. Anyone think I'd be good with the red ones, or should I not risk destroying them quickly and go with the blues?

Get the 90a orange conicals
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: switchfrontshuv on June 12, 2021, 09:56:26 PM
currently on 8.125 control wood with

149 thunder team Eds (2 washers on inside) and 54mm sml wheels (not v cut) and 1/8 risers

the 8.125/8.5 truck combo was strange at first because despite having like a shorter nose and pointier feeling tail it felt manageable, and turning was still nice (still wheel bite if I stand directly on a wheel like thunder always does) with the risers and big wheels.

pinch was amazing. every crook on a nice buttery ledge could hang on for ages and popping out felt a bit better too for some reason. 5050s are good too but on the off chance they slip off it feels kinda violent (extra truck space making it feel a bit accelerated when you slip out)

really wanna stay on <8.25 decks now though because long decks are apparently my pet peeve now (makes sense, im a 30in pant leg length)

overall kinda happy with this combo. really liking this deck though because its so short (almost 31.5) so flip tricks including switch heels and whatnot are pretty good (pop stupid high), could do with slightly mellower kicks but fingers of flat lets it do its thing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 14, 2021, 09:34:12 AM
Has anyone put an inverted kingpin into a forged plate, and if so is the OG kingpin harder to get out?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on June 14, 2021, 09:40:31 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on June 14, 2021, 09:34:12 AM
Has anyone put an inverted kingpin into a forged plate, and if so is the OG kingpin harder to get out?
I was able to knock out one, but the other wouldn't budge. I flattened the threading out and by that point, the threads were so flared out, it wouldn't have come out even if I was able to hammer it loose. I wouldn't recommend trying to hammer them, but if you have a friend who works with cars or machinery, maybe he can lend you an industrial press.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 14, 2021, 09:48:41 AM
Quote from: Firebert on June 14, 2021, 09:40:31 AM
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Has anyone put an inverted kingpin into a forged plate, and if so is the OG kingpin harder to get out?
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I was able to knock out one, but the other wouldn't budge. I flattened the threading out and by that point, the threads were so flared out, it wouldn't have come out even if I was able to hammer it loose. I wouldn't recommend trying to hammer them, but if you have a friend who works with cars or machinery, maybe he can lend you an industrial press.

Thank you, very good to know.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 14, 2021, 10:55:30 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on June 14, 2021, 09:48:41 AM
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Has anyone put an inverted kingpin into a forged plate, and if so is the OG kingpin harder to get out?
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I was able to knock out one, but the other wouldn't budge. I flattened the threading out and by that point, the threads were so flared out, it wouldn't have come out even if I was able to hammer it loose. I wouldn't recommend trying to hammer them, but if you have a friend who works with cars or machinery, maybe he can lend you an industrial press.
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Thank you, very good to know.

Heating them in an oven helps, but it's tough either way; I did it with forged Thunders once (hammer and a parking block, nut on btw, and the pin centered over the parking block hole), it's a shallow baseplate so the kingpin nut dug into the deck a little bit. Wasn't worth it in the long run (it never is unless you have tools as it's always a hassle).

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on June 14, 2021, 10:55:32 PM
I'm at axle again. This is the first time my back truck hit axle first since I was a little kid
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Banging in the Slammer on June 15, 2021, 05:51:30 AM
Does anyone know where to buy titanium light III 148 or 149 trucks? I can’t find them anywhere. I did try using the search function. No luck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on June 15, 2021, 06:56:17 AM
Quote from: Banging in the Slammer on June 15, 2021, 05:51:30 AM
Does anyone know where to buy titanium light III 148 or 149 trucks? I can’t find them anywhere. I did try using the search function. No luck
yeah im looking for titanium 148's too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on June 15, 2021, 08:57:17 AM
I only found hollows when I looked
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 15, 2021, 10:25:55 AM
Quote from: pointandclick on June 15, 2021, 06:56:17 AM
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Does anyone know where to buy titanium light III 148 or 149 trucks? I can’t find them anywhere. I did try using the search function. No luck
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yeah im looking for titanium 148's too.

Was looking myself, they've been MIA for over a year now; hollow lights are the lightest you can get right now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 15, 2021, 07:03:35 PM
I know this has already been explored and maybe tested to death, but I had a play with some IKP baseplates, more just for show and tell, but this is what I did yesterday, when they got here.


https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/products/independent-ikp-baseplate-set


Independent Inverted Kingpin Baseplate set, or IKP for short

OCD Skateshop had 20% off trucks and wheels including these new Indy baseplate sets, so I got some as people had been asking about them. I also got some new Indy trucks and after they arrived today, I did a little swap and measure of the normal standard 149 trucks with the inverted kingpin baseplates, as per pictures provided, along with my personal preference set aside for this experiment (as I prefer normal standard kingpin assemblies to IKP versions).

The first thing I noticed was the inverted kingpin itself doesn't have a particularly long thread, so I tightened these down as far as they would go, which wasn't that much with the truck still feeling fairly loose overall. They sit a few mm below the standard kingpin at that height, but apart from that they are almost the same in terms of the baseplates, with maybe a slightly different angle of the kingpin to the normal ones, but it was minimal. The IKP has a special nut that sits inside the baseplate, so there is no way you will be taking these out to change them over, but you can always use any other brand kingpin to put into them.

The other interesting thing was to see how much clearance there was on the IKP set compared to standards, as per the last pic showing the angle of them when sitting on the hanger and resting on the kingpin, with the IKP version definitely having a lower profile.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CQItVoZAUsb/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on June 22, 2021, 01:04:29 PM
Anyone use aftermarket bushings that aren't bones? Got a set of Indy forged hollows coming my way (been on Ace or Film for the last year) and wondering what people think work best. Definitely like the base level looseness of Ace and Film, by which I mean I can crank down the kingpin to be showing a thread or two at least and they still carve like crazy but have a stability that makes setting up for flicks and balancing manny tricks a lot easier... wondering if anything gets indy feeling similar.

I'm tiny at like 130lbs, skate mostly street (ledges, Manny pads etc.) if that matters
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on June 22, 2021, 01:10:49 PM
Indy aftermarket bushings are always a staple.
I had Doh-Dohs and they felt mushy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 22, 2021, 04:10:08 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on June 22, 2021, 01:04:29 PM
Anyone use aftermarket bushings that aren't bones? Got a set of Indy forged hollows coming my way (been on Ace or Film for the last year) and wondering what people think work best. Definitely like the base level looseness of Ace and Film, by which I mean I can crank down the kingpin to be showing a thread or two at least and they still carve like crazy but have a stability that makes setting up for flicks and balancing manny tricks a lot easier... wondering if anything gets indy feeling similar.

I'm tiny at like 130lbs, skate mostly street (ledges, Manny pads etc.) if that matters

I am often surprised by how reasonable the stock Indy bushings are these days, especially considering being somewhat of an Indy lifer, the old stock bushings would not even get a stand on and I would be taking them off before I even stood on the board.

The Stage 11 trucks come with 90 duro and bounce back really well, almost right from go if you are not too heavy on your board and ease them in, eg first session just roll around on them feeling them out and more so carving than doing big tricks (even on flat) but if they do feel a touch too tight from go, cut a mm or so from the top bushing and they loosen up a whole lot more as well.

That said, I have a lifetime supply of the 92 duro low head bushings which I know and love, right from the first session, so all my trucks have those, as well as the aftermarket Indy bushings being really good and long lasting too.


Maybe try them as is at first and you might be surprised and not even change the bushings out as so many people I know have come to realise since they upgraded the stock bushings a couple of years back.


Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on June 22, 2021, 01:10:49 PM
Indy aftermarket bushings are always a staple.
I had Doh-Dohs and they felt mushy.

100% agree there

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on June 22, 2021, 04:51:21 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on June 22, 2021, 04:10:08 PM
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Anyone use aftermarket bushings that aren't bones? Got a set of Indy forged hollows coming my way (been on Ace or Film for the last year) and wondering what people think work best. Definitely like the base level looseness of Ace and Film, by which I mean I can crank down the kingpin to be showing a thread or two at least and they still carve like crazy but have a stability that makes setting up for flicks and balancing manny tricks a lot easier... wondering if anything gets indy feeling similar.

I'm tiny at like 130lbs, skate mostly street (ledges, Manny pads etc.) if that matters
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I am often surprised by how reasonable the stock Indy bushings are these days, especially considering being somewhat of an Indy lifer, the old stock bushings would not even get a stand on and I would be taking them off before I even stood on the board.

The Stage 11 trucks come with 90 duro and bounce back really well, almost right from go if you are not too heavy on your board and ease them in, eg first session just roll around on them feeling them out and more so carving than doing big tricks (even on flat) but if they do feel a touch too tight from go, cut a mm or so from the top bushing and they loosen up a whole lot more as well.

That said, I have a lifetime supply of the 92 duro low head bushings which I know and love, right from the first session, so all my trucks have those, as well as the aftermarket Indy bushings being really good and long lasting too.


Maybe try them as is at first and you might be surprised and not even change the bushings out as so many people I know have come to realise since they upgraded the stock bushings a couple of years back.


Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on June 22, 2021, 01:10:49 PM
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Indy aftermarket bushings are always a staple.
I had Doh-Dohs and they felt mushy.
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100% agree there

Love the combo of the blue low top and stock orange barrel bottom. And to rosemaryBB, as a fellow skinny shit, that bushing combo is pretty awesome on Indy's. You don't feel like you have to focus all your body weight to get a good deliberate carve. Stock Indy's, though I love em, can have a real delayed response coming from Aces where you get spoiled with that immediate synched-up turn. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kevve on June 22, 2021, 06:15:50 PM
Does Ace bushings work well in indys?

I feel like my current Indy bushings doesnt have much rebound.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 23, 2021, 07:35:19 AM
Quote from: Kevve on June 22, 2021, 06:15:50 PM
Does Ace bushings work well in indys?

I feel like my current Indy bushings doesnt have much rebound.

They can work, depending on how tight you have your trucks as they are a touch taller, but they still go on ok.

Conversely, some left over stock Indy bushings work well in Ace trucks too - did that the other day and they performed very well.


You can always rotate the bushings and see if that changes things at all.  If they are not cracked or coming apart, that has worked well in the past for other people I know.  Just put a line or dot on them before you move them, so you know where they were sitting and rotate them a 1/4 turn and see if that helps.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on June 23, 2021, 10:03:05 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on June 23, 2021, 07:35:19 AM
Quote from: Kevve on June 22, 2021, 06:15:50 PM
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Does Ace bushings work well in indys?

I feel like my current Indy bushings doesnt have much rebound.
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They can work, depending on how tight you have your trucks as they are a touch taller, but they still go on ok.

Conversely, some left over stock Indy bushings work well in Ace trucks too - did that the other day and they performed very well.


You can always rotate the bushings and see if that changes things at all.  If they are not cracked or coming apart, that has worked well in the past for other people I know.  Just put a line or dot on them before you move them, so you know where they were sitting and rotate them a 1/4 turn and see if that helps.

First of all thanks to everyone for the solid info, stoked to see how I feel about these Indy's.

I happen to have some old Ace aftermarket bushings that I shaved down so I'll throw those in after I ride them stock and let everyone know how that felt, if I'm not feeling either of those I'll try some Indy aftermarkets.

Does anyone know if the bushings that come with some of the hollows are different duros or quality? Noticed that some of those pro model ones come with black stock bushings rather than the classic orange ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on June 23, 2021, 04:22:25 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on June 23, 2021, 10:03:05 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on June 23, 2021, 07:35:19 AM
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Quote from: Kevve on June 22, 2021, 06:15:50 PM
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Does Ace bushings work well in indys?

I feel like my current Indy bushings doesnt have much rebound.
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They can work, depending on how tight you have your trucks as they are a touch taller, but they still go on ok.

Conversely, some left over stock Indy bushings work well in Ace trucks too - did that the other day and they performed very well.


You can always rotate the bushings and see if that changes things at all.  If they are not cracked or coming apart, that has worked well in the past for other people I know.  Just put a line or dot on them before you move them, so you know where they were sitting and rotate them a 1/4 turn and see if that helps.
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First of all thanks to everyone for the solid info, stoked to see how I feel about these Indy's.

I happen to have some old Ace aftermarket bushings that I shaved down so I'll throw those in after I ride them stock and let everyone know how that felt, if I'm not feeling either of those I'll try some Indy aftermarkets.

Does anyone know if the bushings that come with some of the hollows are different duros or quality? Noticed that some of those pro model ones come with black stock bushings rather than the classic orange ones.

All stock Indy's are 90d regardless of colour, but there's definitely a material/manufacturing change once they moved operations overseas. Purely subjective, but I found the newer stock bushings in the two sets of forged hollows I've bought in the last two years to be pretty identical to the quality of aftermarkets. They feel the same (or maybe a smidge softer from jump) and have the same tooling marks the aftermarkets have.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 23, 2021, 05:35:44 PM
Quote from: palelight on June 23, 2021, 04:22:25 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on June 23, 2021, 10:03:05 AM
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Does Ace bushings work well in indys?

I feel like my current Indy bushings doesnt have much rebound.
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They can work, depending on how tight you have your trucks as they are a touch taller, but they still go on ok.

Conversely, some left over stock Indy bushings work well in Ace trucks too - did that the other day and they performed very well.


You can always rotate the bushings and see if that changes things at all.  If they are not cracked or coming apart, that has worked well in the past for other people I know.  Just put a line or dot on them before you move them, so you know where they were sitting and rotate them a 1/4 turn and see if that helps.
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First of all thanks to everyone for the solid info, stoked to see how I feel about these Indy's.

I happen to have some old Ace aftermarket bushings that I shaved down so I'll throw those in after I ride them stock and let everyone know how that felt, if I'm not feeling either of those I'll try some Indy aftermarkets.

Does anyone know if the bushings that come with some of the hollows are different duros or quality? Noticed that some of those pro model ones come with black stock bushings rather than the classic orange ones.
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All stock Indy's are 90d regardless of colour, but there's definitely a material/manufacturing change once they moved operations overseas. Purely subjective, but I found the newer stock bushings in the two sets of forged hollows I've bought in the last two years to be pretty identical to the quality of aftermarkets. They feel the same (or maybe a smidge softer from jump) and have the same tooling marks the aftermarkets have.

Yes, agree.

Interesting and curious that things slightly changed in the look of the bushings (no mention officially anywhere about it though) but I think people / team riders were wanting the stock bushings to actually work and were sick of having to change them straight out, so they finally fixed up the stock bushing formula and now they are great.* 

* If you like 90 duro that is, which are the most common nowdays, where once the norm was more up around 92 to 94.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on June 23, 2021, 05:41:53 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on June 23, 2021, 05:35:44 PM
Quote from: palelight on June 23, 2021, 04:22:25 PM
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Quote from: rosemaryBB on June 23, 2021, 10:03:05 AM
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Quote from: Mbrimson88 on June 23, 2021, 07:35:19 AM
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Quote from: Kevve on June 22, 2021, 06:15:50 PM
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Does Ace bushings work well in indys?

I feel like my current Indy bushings doesnt have much rebound.
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They can work, depending on how tight you have your trucks as they are a touch taller, but they still go on ok.

Conversely, some left over stock Indy bushings work well in Ace trucks too - did that the other day and they performed very well.


You can always rotate the bushings and see if that changes things at all.  If they are not cracked or coming apart, that has worked well in the past for other people I know.  Just put a line or dot on them before you move them, so you know where they were sitting and rotate them a 1/4 turn and see if that helps.
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First of all thanks to everyone for the solid info, stoked to see how I feel about these Indy's.

I happen to have some old Ace aftermarket bushings that I shaved down so I'll throw those in after I ride them stock and let everyone know how that felt, if I'm not feeling either of those I'll try some Indy aftermarkets.

Does anyone know if the bushings that come with some of the hollows are different duros or quality? Noticed that some of those pro model ones come with black stock bushings rather than the classic orange ones.
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All stock Indy's are 90d regardless of colour, but there's definitely a material/manufacturing change once they moved operations overseas. Purely subjective, but I found the newer stock bushings in the two sets of forged hollows I've bought in the last two years to be pretty identical to the quality of aftermarkets. They feel the same (or maybe a smidge softer from jump) and have the same tooling marks the aftermarkets have.
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Yes, agree.

Interesting and curious that things slightly changed in the look of the bushings (no mention officially anywhere about it though) but I think people / team riders were wanting the stock bushings to actually work and were sick of having to change them straight out, so they finally fixed up the stock bushing formula and now they are great.* 

* If you like 90 duro that is, which are the most common nowdays, where once the norm was more up around 92 to 94.

100%. Before the change up I'd still run stocks as long as I could, because after the break-in they felt amazing, but they definitely had a shelf life - the flash marks from molding and the air bubbles definitely meant they were going to chunk out. But, the new ones haven't had the same degrading (for me), and they feel really damn good on day one.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kevve on June 24, 2021, 07:35:53 AM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on June 23, 2021, 10:03:05 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on June 23, 2021, 07:35:19 AM
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Quote from: Kevve on June 22, 2021, 06:15:50 PM
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Does Ace bushings work well in indys?

I feel like my current Indy bushings doesnt have much rebound.
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They can work, depending on how tight you have your trucks as they are a touch taller, but they still go on ok.

Conversely, some left over stock Indy bushings work well in Ace trucks too - did that the other day and they performed very well.


You can always rotate the bushings and see if that changes things at all.  If they are not cracked or coming apart, that has worked well in the past for other people I know.  Just put a line or dot on them before you move them, so you know where they were sitting and rotate them a 1/4 turn and see if that helps.
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First of all thanks to everyone for the solid info, stoked to see how I feel about these Indy's.

I happen to have some old Ace aftermarket bushings that I shaved down so I'll throw those in after I ride them stock and let everyone know how that felt, if I'm not feeling either of those I'll try some Indy aftermarkets.

Does anyone know if the bushings that come with some of the hollows are different duros or quality? Noticed that some of those pro model ones come with black stock bushings rather than the classic orange ones.

The quality of the stock bushings is super good, they held up really well with just some bites from the washers after a year of use. Im 80 something kgs and Should have went with 92 or 96a instead maybe they would ve held Up better. But i really enjoyed the loose surfy turn!

For aftermarket bushings everyone seems to Love Bones as there is No break in time compared to indys witch takes a while to break in. Bones only do coned bushings tho so maybe go a duro higher than normal unless your a fan of super turny trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on June 24, 2021, 04:13:49 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on June 22, 2021, 01:10:49 PM
Indy aftermarket bushings are always a staple.
I had Doh-Dohs and they felt mushy.

I agree. I feel like five years ago, they were basically unskateable, but I've kept stock bushing in the last three pairs of Indy trucks I've owned and they've been great for the life of the truck. FWIW I'm 140 lbs, so I'm not really pushing these bushings to their limit. They had a bad run but are basically back on track as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on June 24, 2021, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on June 24, 2021, 04:13:49 PM
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Indy aftermarket bushings are always a staple.
I had Doh-Dohs and they felt mushy.
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I agree. I feel like five years ago, they were basically unskateable, but I've kept stock bushing in the last three pairs of Indy trucks I've owned and they've been great for the life of the truck. FWIW I'm 140 lbs, so I'm not really pushing these bushings to their limit. They had a bad run but are basically back on track as far as I am concerned.
I’m mid-190s, I’ve been running trucks stock to break the bushings in. What usually happens is 3 months down the line, I just get used to them.

Except Ventures, those were rough
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 24, 2021, 09:56:13 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on June 24, 2021, 07:45:29 PM
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Indy aftermarket bushings are always a staple.
I had Doh-Dohs and they felt mushy.
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I agree. I feel like five years ago, they were basically unskateable, but I've kept stock bushing in the last three pairs of Indy trucks I've owned and they've been great for the life of the truck. FWIW I'm 140 lbs, so I'm not really pushing these bushings to their limit. They had a bad run but are basically back on track as far as I am concerned.
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I’m mid-190s, I’ve been running trucks stock to break the bushings in. What usually happens is 3 months down the line, I just get used to them.

Except Ventures, those were rough

How were they?

I had a couple of sets of Ventures with bushings that seemed like complete opposites, one set were super squishy soft and the other set were so hard even cutting the top down still just didn't want to give enough for how I like them.  Both sets of bushings went to others who were stoked on them, so not a worry there, but I put spare stock Indy bushings in both sets of Ventures I kept and they felt very comfortable and normal then.

Other Ventures, as well as most Thunder bushings have been perfect, but some also been at almost opposite ends of the scale, on boards I have helped people with, but as I usually have a whole lot of spare stock bushings from almost all the major brands, I can usually work something out for them in a swap and trade type deal so they are happy and I have spare bushings for someone else if they need them.

The hardest thing for some people is just not knowing which bushings to go with if they do need to get others, especially if they can only go off what others say and not try them to know what works.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: funeral_tuxedo on July 02, 2021, 03:01:02 PM
I'm wishing that I still had my beloved pair of Independent Grosso trucks. The black anodized hangers on the polished silver baseplates was just beautiful. I was thinking of painting some of my current Indy hangers black. Any of you Slappers have any experience with DIY painting your trucks?

Eric Dressen has a similar looking set on his board:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsGpspETBow
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 02, 2021, 04:03:22 PM
Quote from: funeral_tuxedo on July 02, 2021, 03:01:02 PM
I'm wishing that I still had my beloved pair of Independent Grosso trucks. The black anodized hangers on the polished silver baseplates was just beautiful. I was thinking of painting some of my current Indy hangers black. Any of you Slappers have any experience with DIY painting your trucks?



A guy I know skated the Indy "Thrasher oath" white hanger, black baseplate forged hollows for a minute before changing to other trucks, but as the colour was a bit too bright for me, I used plain black spray to fix them, so did both hangers and they turned out really well, plain black all round.  I meant to take pics, but passed them on to someone else faster than I thought too.

Just make sure you only spray the hanger, not the axles, as per one guy I saw on a youtube video.  I just wrap a bit of newspaper or other spare paper round the axle and apply some tape where the axles meet the hanger and you should be fine.

You could easily do other colours, or just the hanger as well, like a few trucks I have seen that have silver baseplate / black hanger.

https://www.kickpush.com.au/assets/full/174519.jpg

Or this guy from ebay:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/mRsAAOSwFAdgmP7K/s-l1600.jpg

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Independent-Trucks-159-039-s-Custom-Painted-/313557227231



EDIT:  The new Mason Silva truck is that colourway, the matt black looks pretty good - third and fourth pics.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CQwHAkXjzQL/

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: funeral_tuxedo on July 02, 2021, 04:23:10 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on July 02, 2021, 04:03:22 PM
Quote from: funeral_tuxedo on July 02, 2021, 03:01:02 PM
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I'm wishing that I still had my beloved pair of Independent Grosso trucks. The black anodized hangers on the polished silver baseplates was just beautiful. I was thinking of painting some of my current Indy hangers black. Any of you Slappers have any experience with DIY painting your trucks?

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A guy I know skated the Indy "Thrasher oath" white hanger, black baseplate forged hollows for a minute before changing to other trucks, but as the colour was a bit too bright for me, I used plain black spray to fix them, so did both hangers and they turned out really well, plain black all round.  I meant to take pics, but passed them on to someone else faster than I thought too.

Just make sure you only spray the hanger, not the axles, as per one guy I saw on a youtube video.  I just wrap a bit of newspaper or other spare paper round the axle and apply some tape where the axles meet the hanger and you should be fine.

You could easily do other colours, or just the hanger as well, like a few trucks I have seen that have silver baseplate / black hanger.

https://www.kickpush.com.au/assets/full/174519.jpg

Or this guy from ebay:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/mRsAAOSwFAdgmP7K/s-l1600.jpg

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Independent-Trucks-159-039-s-Custom-Painted-/313557227231



EDIT:  The new Mason Silva truck is that colourway, the matt black looks pretty good - third and fourth pics.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CQwHAkXjzQL/

@Mbrimson88 those DIY one's look so fresh.
 I'll post before and after pics of my trucks.

*edit* there's some really angry comments on the Indy Instagram about the cross being gone. Yikes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 02, 2021, 10:09:09 PM
Quote from: funeral_tuxedo on July 02, 2021, 04:23:10 PM

There's some really angry comments on the Indy Instagram about the cross being gone. Yikes


Yes, ever since the logo thing (and even on here) there have been those for and those against.

I have lots of older ones from USA and newer ones from China, most with the cross, some new ones without, and they all skate the same, no worries at all, so it really is the absolute least of a concern for me.

Crazy to think people are going to spite themselves and change just because of a logo, when that is what they have been riding (and I find the best truck for the turn, grind and overall performance) but whatever hey, they can do whatever they like, but as you said, they sure do like to whine, complain and harass each other on the Indy instagram.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on July 03, 2021, 08:21:07 AM
I’m glad Indy got rid of the cross but it would be pretty funny if Ace decided to adopt it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 03, 2021, 10:01:14 AM
@Mbrimson88 you've mentioned it elsewhere, but can you go into more detail on your process for shortening kingpins and top bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 03, 2021, 04:58:19 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on July 03, 2021, 10:01:14 AM
@Mbrimson88 you've mentioned it elsewhere, but can you go into more detail on your process for shortening kingpins and top bushings?

Quote from: listentoaheartbeat on July 03, 2021, 04:24:36 AM
Looks sick! Do you cut down kingpin and bushing by exactly the same amount?

The funny thing is it just kind of happened to come together like that.

The baseplates / kingpins were from someone who had issues with them, so I used an angle grinder and rounded / cut the tops off as he was always getting caught on things.

The bushings from another time I cut them down for someone else and then they didn't want them as they thought they wouldn't work - clearly they work just fine in this board I set up and I can skate it perfectly well with cut down bushings.

Everything just worked out and I could have had the kingpin nut done up tighter, but it actually works fairly well being as loose as it is.


The Instagram posts for Bushings, Kingpins, and the like below, pretty much all the text in the posts explains how, but I can always send anyone all the plain text too, if needed - just thought it is a bit much to post it all here, but I think it has been a while and the other times I posted these are lost in the old pages - now at 344 pages long in truck setups.


EDIT:  I do use an angle grinder a whole lot more than I should for lots of things, but I find it works best to round off the tops, rather than specifically cut down kingpins, even though I have cut straight through other brand kingpins that have been sitting up way too high.  Also easiest to do it all when the complete is set up, bushings in place too, so you know how far down you want to go - a kingpin that is too short is no fun at all.



https://www.instagram.com/p/BpGf4tGlRyf/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMGt_osFWe0/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CO9wTNRFWIU/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CQpPFyflbl-/

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 03, 2021, 06:02:33 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on July 05, 2021, 03:57:50 AM
@Mbrimson88, thanks for the link from the big boards thread, good info! Always looking to get the most out of a set of trucks—it takes a while to get a nice groove and new bushings are daring. Definitely going to dabble with cutting Indy bushings since I have some of those lying around.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 05, 2021, 09:38:12 AM
Set up some of the new Geometry Tensors.
They’re light but because of the nubs kinda weird to apply.
Magnesium skates so much smoother than USA made Indys, I skated the same curb with my trunk and new set up. The Tensors were like butter.

I like riding stock until things break in and won’t make changes unless necessary. This may be the first truck I tighten early. They feel super loose and turny. I’m really surprised.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 06, 2021, 04:34:59 AM
Quote from: funeral_tuxedo on July 02, 2021, 03:01:02 PM
I'm wishing that I still had my beloved pair of Independent Grosso trucks. The black anodized hangers on the polished silver baseplates was just beautiful. I was thinking of painting some of my current Indy hangers black. Any of you Slappers have any experience with DIY painting your trucks?



I remembered this from a guy I skate with, giving it a different take on the usual paint your trucks routine.


https://www.instagram.com/p/B0GEhvdHqZQ/



He also made risers from an old board too.


https://www.instagram.com/p/BuD63xJF042/

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tuesday on July 06, 2021, 10:41:21 AM
Quote from: funeral_tuxedo on July 02, 2021, 03:01:02 PM
I'm wishing that I still had my beloved pair of Independent Grosso trucks. The black anodized hangers on the polished silver baseplates was just beautiful. I was thinking of painting some of my current Indy hangers black. Any of you Slappers have any experience with DIY painting your trucks?

Somewhere along my way I had the revelation that white hanger and silver baseplate is the best combo. So I ended up spray painting/lacquering half a dozen sets of hangers or so. Pretty easy:

First clean the hanger and sand it a bit using sand paper. 

Next, mask the axles using masking tape like in the video above with the black Aces. No need to take the axle nuts of(f).

To get the primer and lacquer applied evenly on the hanger from all sides, I tie some fishing line or a shoe lace around the axle/axle nut after masking them and hang the hanger inside of a cardboard box so that it can spin freely, after turning it a bunch hanging from the fishing line/shoe lace. Do that and start spray painting only after the hanger started to to spin. Apply the primer/ground coating first. Once that has dried up (might take some hours or a day, just leave the hanger hanging inside of the box), apply the final coat of lacquer/spray paint. The trick is really to get it spinning on the rope. Just don't spray so much coat or paint at once that it starts running downwards.   


 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 06, 2021, 10:56:10 AM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on July 05, 2021, 09:38:12 AM
Set up some of the new Geometry Tensors.
They’re light but because of the nubs kinda weird to apply.
Magnesium skates so much smoother than USA made Indys, I skated the same curb with my trunk and new set up. The Tensors were like butter.

I like riding stock until things break in and won’t make changes unless necessary. This may be the first truck I tighten early. They feel super loose and turny. I’m really surprised.

Never had an issue with the nubs as I tend to install my trucks with the board vertical <nose or tail on the ground> so that the trucks (any truck) is sitting flush against the bottom bolts and tighten as usual: one bottom a few turns, then the diagonal top a few turns, other bottom, other top, etc. then crank them all down).

Stock, too tight for me but I ride very loose. I had to loosen the stocks so much it wasn't safe. I use bones soft bottoms/tops most of the time.

Grinds for days tho, but I do wish they were lower than 55mm, I feel more at home on forged Indy or Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on July 07, 2021, 12:20:44 PM
Anyone has experiences with 139s on a 8.25 deck?
I can fit 3 washers on the inside and maybe that is very similar to running 144 trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 07, 2021, 12:53:50 PM
Works fine, but I feel somehow that 144/149 turn better/looser. A washer is 1mm so you're talking 6mm in total, which is .23in total. It's fairly close and the Indy hanger is pretty flat so you should have bout the same grinding area. With that said I recently tried it and the trucks always felt tighter and I just didn't like it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 07, 2021, 01:04:13 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on July 07, 2021, 12:20:44 PM
Anyone has experiences with 139s on a 8.25 deck?
I can fit 3 washers on the inside and maybe that is very similar to running 144 trucks?

The Boss runs that combo.  Prior to 144s, people skated 8.25" with either 139s or 149s depending on their preference, and without issue. If the 139s are nice and broken in (and you're used to them), there is going to be a lot less of an adjustment.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 07, 2021, 06:02:23 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on July 07, 2021, 01:04:13 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on July 07, 2021, 12:20:44 PM
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Anyone has experiences with 139s on a 8.25 deck?
I can fit 3 washers on the inside and maybe that is very similar to running 144 trucks?
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Im a fan of this setup.
Quicker turning with the narrower truck, but I mainly do it for familiarity and better flip.
The Boss runs that combo.  Prior to 144s, people skated 8.25" with either 139s or 149s depending on their preference, and without issue. If the 139s are nice and broken in (and you're used to them), there is going to be a lot less of an adjustment.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on July 08, 2021, 10:25:04 AM
Anyone ever try an Ace hanger on an Indy Stage 11 baseplate? I'm curious if it'll work with those new IKP baseplates. Shalom
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jimgrude on July 08, 2021, 10:58:11 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on July 07, 2021, 01:04:13 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on July 07, 2021, 12:20:44 PM
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Anyone has experiences with 139s on a 8.25 deck?
I can fit 3 washers on the inside and maybe that is very similar to running 144 trucks?
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The Boss runs that combo.  Prior to 144s, people skated 8.25" with either 139s or 149s depending on their preference, and without issue. If the 139s are nice and broken in (and you're used to them), there is going to be a lot less of an adjustment.

Boss also made the switch to 144s though.
But it's true he used to run that combo, and before that 8.00" with 129 I believe.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 09, 2021, 05:54:41 AM
Quote from: jimgrude on July 08, 2021, 10:58:11 PM
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Quote from: fs1/2cab on July 07, 2021, 12:20:44 PM
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Anyone has experiences with 139s on a 8.25 deck?
I can fit 3 washers on the inside and maybe that is very similar to running 144 trucks?
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The Boss runs that combo.  Prior to 144s, people skated 8.25" with either 139s or 149s depending on their preference, and without issue. If the 139s are nice and broken in (and you're used to them), there is going to be a lot less of an adjustment.
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Boss also made the switch to 144s though.
But it's true he used to run that combo, and before that 8.00" with 129 I believe.

As recently as his stop and chat he is on 139s. Don't have Insta anymore but when I did he was posting them there as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on July 09, 2021, 06:06:21 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on July 07, 2021, 01:04:13 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on July 07, 2021, 12:20:44 PM
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Anyone has experiences with 139s on a 8.25 deck?
I can fit 3 washers on the inside and maybe that is very similar to running 144 trucks?
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The Boss runs that combo.  Prior to 144s, people skated 8.25" with either 139s or 149s depending on their preference, and without issue. If the 139s are nice and broken in (and you're used to them), there is going to be a lot less of an adjustment.
Reynolds skates 8.5 on 139 don't he? Tbh first who cares and second is impossible to keep track of that since he changes setups like I change my socks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 09, 2021, 04:26:46 PM
Quote from: moonordie on July 09, 2021, 06:06:21 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on July 07, 2021, 01:04:13 PM
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Quote from: fs1/2cab on July 07, 2021, 12:20:44 PM
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Anyone has experiences with 139s on a 8.25 deck?
I can fit 3 washers on the inside and maybe that is very similar to running 144 trucks?
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The Boss runs that combo.  Prior to 144s, people skated 8.25" with either 139s or 149s depending on their preference, and without issue. If the 139s are nice and broken in (and you're used to them), there is going to be a lot less of an adjustment.
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Reynolds skates 8.5 on 139 don't he? Tbh first who cares and second is impossible to keep track of that since he changes setups like I change my socks.

Age has caught up with him and he isn't hucking much anymore; dude is riding an 8.125" - he replied to my/a question on insta a while back....but the dude has the madness so who knows what he's riding these days, no doubt he's got a quiver.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 09, 2021, 08:47:37 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 09, 2021, 04:26:46 PM
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Anyone has experiences with 139s on a 8.25 deck?
I can fit 3 washers on the inside and maybe that is very similar to running 144 trucks?
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The Boss runs that combo.  Prior to 144s, people skated 8.25" with either 139s or 149s depending on their preference, and without issue. If the 139s are nice and broken in (and you're used to them), there is going to be a lot less of an adjustment.
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Reynolds skates 8.5 on 139 don't he? Tbh first who cares and second is impossible to keep track of that since he changes setups like I change my socks.
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Age has caught up with him and he isn't hucking much anymore; dude is riding an 8.125" - he replied to my/a question on insta a while back....but the dude has the madness so who knows what he's riding these days, no doubt he's got a quiver.

One my bigger mistakes….with setups is that as I’ve gotten older, I’ve tried to size up. No. Not real helpful. Skating different stuff is fun, but bigger setups just wear me out.
I repeat myself often.
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Anyone has experiences with 139s on a 8.25 deck?
I can fit 3 washers on the inside and maybe that is very similar to running 144 trucks?
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The Boss runs that combo.  Prior to 144s, people skated 8.25" with either 139s or 149s depending on their preference, and without issue. If the 139s are nice and broken in (and you're used to them), there is going to be a lot less of an adjustment.
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Reynolds skates 8.5 on 139 don't he? Tbh first who cares and second is impossible to keep track of that since he changes setups like I change my socks.
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Age has caught up with him and he isn't hucking much anymore; dude is riding an 8.125" - he replied to my/a question on insta a while back....but the dude has the madness so who knows what he's riding these days, no doubt he's got a quiver.
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One my bigger mistakes….with setups is that as I’ve gotten older, I’ve tried to size up. No. Not real helpful. Skating different stuff is fun, but bigger setups just wear me out.
I repeat myself often.

I'm victim of this, but I've always felt more comfortable on 8.3s and 149s, sizing down while ok for flips and whatnot doesn't give me that sense of stability (wide and low and small wheels, it's the 90s kid in me).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bongwater Mojito on July 10, 2021, 11:43:12 AM
Quote from: Xen on July 09, 2021, 09:59:22 PM
I'm victim of this, but I've always felt more comfortable on 8.3s and 149s, sizing down while ok for flips and whatnot doesn't give me that sense of stability (wide and low and small wheels, it's the 90s kid in me).

Just set up a 8.3 + Indy 149 forged hollows from old stuff I had, was surprised of the difference. Yes, flips are heavier and it wears me out doing/trying them but there's the stability and wider area to grind. I know when I'll return to my recent 8.1 + Film 5.5 flips feels so much lighter to do.

Also noticed that even soft aftermarket barrel bushings are difficult to get as loose/responsive as I'm used to with Films - if I would set them as loose as I like, nylock wouldn't touch the kingpin.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jaydella on July 11, 2021, 08:26:42 AM
I'm riding Indy Stage 11 139 standards with bones hard bushings on the bottom and mediums on top, I kept the top washer on so I can get my ideal tightness/looseness without the bolt sticking out too far above the lock ring.

I've been enjoying this setup and want to get some hollows and put the standards on my winter/indoor ramp board. I ride an 8" board.

The story on the mixed bushings:

The stock bushings crushed and peeled. So I bought Bones mediums and really liked them. After a few months though, the front bottom bushing squashed out.

I bought Bones hard bushings but they turned out to be too stiff. So I came here, searched for threads on bushings, found a reply by someone saying they use hards on the bottom (at the baseplate) and medium on top (at the bolt) and it was perfect for them. So, I figured I'd try it before buying another pack of bushings. I love it. It could be that where I live it's been like 90-100 degrees and humid as fuck, but it's working for me now and feels great. Might be a different story after I move back to the east coast and skate in the fall and winter.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 12, 2021, 04:33:13 PM
Quote from: jaydella on July 11, 2021, 08:26:42 AM
I'm riding Indy Stage 11 139 standards with bones hard bushings on the bottom and mediums on top, I kept the top washer on so I can get my ideal tightness/looseness without the bolt sticking out too far above the lock ring.

I've been enjoying this setup and want to get some hollows and put the standards on my winter/indoor ramp board. I ride an 8" board.

The story on the mixed bushings:

The stock bushings crushed and peeled. So I bought Bones mediums and really liked them. After a few months though, the front bottom bushing squashed out.

I bought Bones hard bushings but they turned out to be too stiff. So I came here, searched for threads on bushings, found a reply by someone saying they use hards on the bottom (at the baseplate) and medium on top (at the bolt) and it was perfect for them. So, I figured I'd try it before buying another pack of bushings. I love it. It could be that where I live it's been like 90-100 degrees and humid as fuck, but it's working for me now and feels great. Might be a different story after I move back to the east coast and skate in the fall and winter.

Just my experience, but bones hards break in really well after a week and feel like a fresh set of mediums for the life of the bushings. The mediums rule new but they just die too quickly.

Have an old set of hards on my cruiser and they're perfect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 12, 2021, 04:56:49 PM
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I'm riding Indy Stage 11 139 standards with bones hard bushings on the bottom and mediums on top, I kept the top washer on so I can get my ideal tightness/looseness without the bolt sticking out too far above the lock ring.

I've been enjoying this setup and want to get some hollows and put the standards on my winter/indoor ramp board. I ride an 8" board.

The story on the mixed bushings:

The stock bushings crushed and peeled. So I bought Bones mediums and really liked them. After a few months though, the front bottom bushing squashed out.

I bought Bones hard bushings but they turned out to be too stiff. So I came here, searched for threads on bushings, found a reply by someone saying they use hards on the bottom (at the baseplate) and medium on top (at the bolt) and it was perfect for them. So, I figured I'd try it before buying another pack of bushings. I love it. It could be that where I live it's been like 90-100 degrees and humid as fuck, but it's working for me now and feels great. Might be a different story after I move back to the east coast and skate in the fall and winter.
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Just my experience, but bones hards break in really well after a week and feel like a fresh set of mediums for the life of the bushings. The mediums rule new but they just die too quickly.

Have an old set of hards on my cruiser and they're perfect.

This.
Mediums are beat. And softs always broke immediately, for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on July 12, 2021, 10:16:00 PM
I’m a featherweight and I blew out my Bones soft bushings almost immediately.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 12, 2021, 11:19:57 PM
I can’t stomach the break in periods on hards, did it twice; it’s brutal if you ride loose (they were perfect in ace los tho).

Once the hards are broken in, yeah, mediums for life tho.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on July 16, 2021, 09:33:32 PM
Does anyone know the height of Thunder 147 hollow lights? I know the 148s and above are around 51mm but how low are the 147s?
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Post by: goodatmeth on July 16, 2021, 11:51:13 PM
Quote from: FatGuy92 on July 16, 2021, 09:33:32 PM
Does anyone know the height of Thunder 147 hollow lights? I know the 148s and above are around 51mm but how low are the 147s?

Thunder website says 49mm
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Post by: ok boomer on July 18, 2021, 01:18:06 PM
Anyone ride Thunder 147 on 8.25?
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Post by: phlap on July 18, 2021, 02:32:47 PM
Quote from: ok boomer on July 18, 2021, 01:18:06 PM
Anyone ride Thunder 147 on 8.25?

Rode 'em on an 8.25 Heroin board with a big fat nose and tail. They worked perfectly.
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Post by: ok boomer on July 18, 2021, 04:55:25 PM
Pondering trying Thunder 147 again, but every board I am digging is 8.25. But also I like smallerish trucks, so hopefully not tippy
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Does anyone know the height of Thunder 147 hollow lights? I know the 148s and above are around 51mm but how low are the 147s?
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Thunder website says 49mm

Somehow completely missed that. Thanks man!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Anyone ride Thunder 147 on 8.25?
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Rode 'em on an 8.25 Heroin board with a big fat nose and tail. They worked perfectly.

+1 I used to ride 147 HL with FA 8.25 (when they were using PS) and loved it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 18, 2021, 09:44:50 PM
Quote from: ok boomer on July 18, 2021, 04:55:25 PM
Pondering trying Thunder 147 again, but every board I am digging is 8.25. But also I like smallerish trucks, so hopefully not tippy

The coolest thing about 147s is that they are low/less tippy.
I’m a fan of the overhang, probably from skating so many 7.75s on 5.0s growing up.
I’m back on 147s. Haven’t thought about changing my shit up since I put them back on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 19, 2021, 09:41:53 AM
Quote from: ok boomer on July 18, 2021, 01:18:06 PM
Anyone ride Thunder 147 on 8.25?

Yep, a few times. I find I prefer them on 8.125s and 144s for 8.25s,
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: wilk on July 20, 2021, 10:54:54 PM
Quote from: ok boomer on July 18, 2021, 04:55:25 PM
Pondering trying Thunder 147 again, but every board I am digging is 8.25. But also I like smallerish trucks, so hopefully not tippy
I'm on a 8.3 with 147's, strangely not that tippy at all but you do get a little more tip than like a 8 but it's not bad tip...it's the kind of tip that can make pressure flips easier if you are into those, like deliberate..but not tip that will like tip the board if you carve hard, it's more of a floaty kind of ride, Ishod was spot on with that analogy. Grinding 5050 on flatbars have been a little more comfortable for some reason. When you land primo... don't expect to get that primo stab, nah the board just folds whichever way..I've yet to do that like accidental rail stand thing. I actually like it but I'm going back down to 8.1 soon, for reasons that have nothing to do with the way the trucks perform on the board, it really does work fine. 8.3 is too much board for me...I've done 8.25 and it feels nearly identical so you'll be fine if you like 8.25.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on July 21, 2021, 02:18:51 PM
For ppl who've tried aftermarket pivot cups, specifically riptide, how crucial do you find this change? Is this swap out something that y'all continued to do or is it just some excessive truck madness nerd shit that doesn't really matter?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on July 21, 2021, 02:21:00 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on July 21, 2021, 02:18:51 PM
For ppl who've tried aftermarket pivot cups, specifically riptide, how crucial do you find this change? Is this swap out something that y'all continued to do or is it just some excessive truck madness nerd shit that doesn't really matter?
Absolutely necessary unless you got AF1s in which case the stock ones fit better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on July 21, 2021, 02:26:40 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on July 21, 2021, 02:18:51 PM
For ppl who've tried aftermarket pivot cups, specifically riptide, how crucial do you find this change? Is this swap out something that y'all continued to do or is it just some excessive truck madness nerd shit that doesn't really matter?

I just replaced pivot cups for the first time ever, my old Indy 169s were super squeaky and wax or oil didn't help. Used the Independent replacement cups, squeaking went away but the trucks feel the same otherwise. I've been changing my setup a lot lately so maybe I am not too sensitive to subtle differences but it didn't feel like the pivot cup has a huge effect on truck performance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 21, 2021, 02:54:58 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on July 21, 2021, 02:18:51 PM
For ppl who've tried aftermarket pivot cups, specifically riptide, how crucial do you find this change? Is this swap out something that y'all continued to do or is it just some excessive truck madness nerd shit that doesn't really matter?

On ACE Classics a must swap. AF1s, no need.

Currently Indy cups (and bushings) are really, really good, I don't even bother with swapping anymore.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on July 21, 2021, 09:43:39 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on July 21, 2021, 02:18:51 PM
For ppl who've tried aftermarket pivot cups, specifically riptide, how crucial do you find this change? Is this swap out something that y'all continued to do or is it just some excessive truck madness nerd shit that doesn't really matter?

A waste of money, excessive madness shit that people (myself included) convince themselves they need. Any truck that needs them out of the box isn’t a truck worth buying in the first place.

I’m of the opinion that injection molded plastic is, for this application, preferable to polyurethane. 
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 22, 2021, 12:51:58 PM
I am the opposite, I think riptides are great. The turn and rebound feel quicker, maybe due to the softer urethane deforming more easily. A harder pivot cup might be more stable, but I don't care about that so much.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on July 24, 2021, 10:58:42 AM
Anyone else skate Thunders with Bones bushings? I just tried to go back to the stock thunder bushings after using Bones Hards for the past couple years and that shit felt so gross (https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/picard.png)


I had to tighten the shit out of my trucks just for them to feel halfway stable. Had like 3-4 kingpin threads showing(https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/scusthov.gif) Said fuck it and went back to my Bones Hards where the nut sits flush, I don't need that kind of energy in my life (https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/hubie.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on July 24, 2021, 02:04:36 PM
^Just go for some Venoms. Identical shape to thunders with a sheet load of duros to choose from. Longboarders got the bushing game figured out.

http://venomskate.com/street-bushings/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shawngreg on July 25, 2021, 03:39:48 AM
alright going to grab my first set of Thunders. i’ve skated Indys most of my life but past 2-3 years been riding 5.8 titanium ventures.  out of the diff thunder models where should i start?  going to get 149s, but do you think standard, hollow lite, titanium?  any input is appreciated
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 25, 2021, 07:40:50 AM
Titanium or hollows....I prefer the team ones because I like cast baseplates versus forged.  It's a tiny bit more height, I like the look, and I swap out the kingpins...now I skate forged on ventures though and they are just fine. 

What I think you'll be getting is a lower lighter truck.  What I didn't like was the clearance, grinding through trucks quickly, and wheelbite......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on July 25, 2021, 07:54:20 AM
Quote from: shawngreg on July 25, 2021, 03:39:48 AM
alright going to grab my first set of Thunders. i’ve skated Indys most of my life but past 2-3 years been riding 5.8 titanium ventures.  out of the diff thunder models where should i start?  going to get 149s, but do you think standard, hollow lite, titanium?  any input is appreciated

If you find thunder titaniums anywhere, grab as many as you can. I wish I had bought more of them before they suddenly disappeared. Best truck ever
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fooj on July 25, 2021, 09:37:06 PM
Quote from: shawngreg on July 25, 2021, 03:39:48 AM
alright going to grab my first set of Thunders. i’ve skated Indys most of my life but past 2-3 years been riding 5.8 titanium ventures.  out of the diff thunder models where should i start?  going to get 149s, but do you think standard, hollow lite, titanium?  any input is appreciated

Id say grab any thunders with cast plates, especially if youre coming from a higher truck like indy.


On another note...looks like Yuto on some V lows with hards and 51mms? I might try that combo tomorrow

(https://i.imgur.com/8BzZn9Q.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on July 26, 2021, 07:30:50 AM
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alright going to grab my first set of Thunders. i’ve skated Indys most of my life but past 2-3 years been riding 5.8 titanium ventures.  out of the diff thunder models where should i start?  going to get 149s, but do you think standard, hollow lite, titanium?  any input is appreciated
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Id say grab any thunders with cast plates, especially if youre coming from a higher truck like indy.


On another note...looks like Yuto on some V lows with hards and 51mms? I might try that combo tomorrow

(https://i.imgur.com/8BzZn9Q.png)
This is my setup except on Hi's. It's the truth.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sbmfj on July 27, 2021, 04:58:15 PM
Just set up a new pair of 144 hollows, silver. They come with the standard orange bushings.

My previous pair of 144 were also hollows but had blue baseplates and white bushings.

Any idea if the white and orange bushings are the same?

With my new trucks I’ve had to tighten em down a bit to get em where I like em ( I’m a bigger guy 215 lbs so need to tighten em up) but I’ve noticed the bushings starting to crack a bit. The trucks also seem to stick to one side a bit. Mind you one session in.

As per some google image. Apparently white bushing are softer than the orange ones.

Might swap out the orange for the white bushing if it doesn’t get better next session or so.

I see my hanger also feels a little
Loose on one truck. Almost like the pivot cup gave in already.

Thanks for insight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Srt32srt on July 28, 2021, 08:12:16 AM
Quote from: perverted super otaku! on December 20, 2015, 06:50:08 AM
Im curious about how you guys set your trucks up, special methods, preferences and all that nerdy stuff.
 
Here's mine:
Thunder 147's riding 8.1-825 and 54 wheels
-replacement 100a Thunder bushings
-Bottom washers left out
-Front truck Flush( edit:perhaps the smallest tad under now) with some wobble
-Back truck 1-2 threads showing edit: correction, back truck is now barely over flush, loosened it when It got colder
-risers

Seriously can't complain about this set-up in anyway, for me its perfect, loose up front for quick turns and tighter in back stabilises on landings and at high speeds. The hard bushing and loose front works really well for me, best of both worlds.


doesnt the looser truck up front make skating switch less stable when landing? i use to set my trucks up like that but made skating switch way less stable at the skate park.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on July 28, 2021, 09:18:59 AM
Went 169 Titanium after years on regular 169s and love them. Couldn't believe how much of a difference it makes for essentially every popped trick. But even casual Shove-Its feel so much better. New old problem however are the fucking bushings. Big guy with big feet—no way I can use soft or medium bushings.

Recently tried the black Indy conical bushings which didn't rebound at all. My best bet for years have been Bones hard, however the clicking and creaking with the hard plastic insert drives me crazy. I can even feel the plastic bouncing off the kingpin under my feet. Are there any other options I could try without messing with the geometry of the truck?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 28, 2021, 09:24:26 AM
Quote from: listentoaheartbeat on July 28, 2021, 09:18:59 AM
Went 169 Titanium after years on regular 169s and love them. Couldn't believe how much of a difference it makes for essentially every popped trick. But even casual Shove-Its feel so much better. New old problem however are the fucking bushings. Big guy with big feet—no way I can use soft or medium bushings.

Recently tried the black Indy conical bushings which didn't rebound at all. My best bet for years have been Bones hard, however the clicking and creaking with the hard plastic insert drives me crazy. I can even feel the plastic bouncing off the kingpin under my feet. Are there any other options I could try without messing with the geometry of the truck?

Indy Blue 92 barrel bushings. The best Indy bushing if you're a little bigger.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on July 28, 2021, 09:50:59 AM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on July 28, 2021, 09:24:26 AM
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Went 169 Titanium after years on regular 169s and love them. Couldn't believe how much of a difference it makes for essentially every popped trick. But even casual Shove-Its feel so much better. New old problem however are the fucking bushings. Big guy with big feet—no way I can use soft or medium bushings.

Recently tried the black Indy conical bushings which didn't rebound at all. My best bet for years have been Bones hard, however the clicking and creaking with the hard plastic insert drives me crazy. I can even feel the plastic bouncing off the kingpin under my feet. Are there any other options I could try without messing with the geometry of the truck?
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Indy Blue 92 barrel bushings. The best Indy bushing if you're a little bigger.

Thanks, will try! Didn't consider them since I thought they will be too soft, especially if the black ones don't work well in terms of rebound. Barrel=cylinder?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 28, 2021, 09:53:48 AM
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Went 169 Titanium after years on regular 169s and love them. Couldn't believe how much of a difference it makes for essentially every popped trick. But even casual Shove-Its feel so much better. New old problem however are the fucking bushings. Big guy with big feet—no way I can use soft or medium bushings.

Recently tried the black Indy conical bushings which didn't rebound at all. My best bet for years have been Bones hard, however the clicking and creaking with the hard plastic insert drives me crazy. I can even feel the plastic bouncing off the kingpin under my feet. Are there any other options I could try without messing with the geometry of the truck?
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Indy Blue 92 barrel bushings. The best Indy bushing if you're a little bigger.
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Thanks, will try! Didn't consider them since I thought they will be too soft, especially if the black ones don't work well in terms of rebound. Barrel=cylinder?

Yeah, from my understanding. I've found the barrels above 92 to be almost too hard.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Banging in the Slammer on July 28, 2021, 01:13:33 PM
Thank You Supply got more of the Tensor maglight ATGs in stock, so I bought a pair. Usually ride Venture lows, so the 55mm height of the ATGs was throwing me off

After some messing around with different baseplates, I happened upon a solution to my madness. A Kurx K4 baseplate works perfectly with a ATG hanger and the stock Tensor bushings, and dropped the trucks height to ~48mm. It rides like if Indy made a low truck, probably due to the shorter wheelbase. The most surprising finding was that out of my collection of 12 sets of baseplates the ATG Maglights were the heaviest. Perhaps only the mag light hangers are magnesium?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on July 28, 2021, 01:16:29 PM
Quote from: Banging in the Slammer on July 28, 2021, 01:13:33 PM
Thank You Supply got more of the Tensor maglight ATGs in stock, so I bought a pair. Usually ride Venture lows, so the 55mm height of the ATGs was throwing me off

After some messing around with different baseplates, I happened upon a solution to my madness. A Kurx K4 baseplate works perfectly with a ATG hanger and the stock Tensor bushings, and dropped the trucks height to ~48mm. It rides like if Indy made a low truck, probably due to the shorter wheelbase. The most surprising finding was that out of my collection of 12 sets of baseplates the ATG Maglights were the heaviest. Perhaps only the mag light hangers are magnesium?

How does the turn feel? And whats the wheelbase extension of the k4 baseplate + atg hangers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 28, 2021, 01:40:49 PM
That’s super interesting. I’ve put K4’s hangars in Indy baseplates which improved the turn a ton, but never tried the reverse for anything. Would be interesting to experiment as I have some K4’s baseplates with the low, inverted kingpin that I could play with using other hangars
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on July 28, 2021, 02:12:52 PM
Quote from: sbmfj on July 27, 2021, 04:58:15 PM
Just set up a new pair of 144 hollows, silver. They come with the standard orange bushings.

My previous pair of 144 were also hollows but had blue baseplates and white bushings.

Any idea if the white and orange bushings are the same?

With my new trucks I’ve had to tighten em down a bit to get em where I like em ( I’m a bigger guy 215 lbs so need to tighten em up) but I’ve noticed the bushings starting to crack a bit. The trucks also seem to stick to one side a bit. Mind you one session in.

As per some google image. Apparently white bushing are softer than the orange ones.

Might swap out the orange for the white bushing if it doesn’t get better next session or so.

I see my hanger also feels a little
Loose on one truck. Almost like the pivot cup gave in already.

Thanks for insight.

White bushings are typically the soft bushings, *however* they do occasionally put out the white ones in the stock medium durometer with special edition trucks. I had some of the Skate Mafia Indys and they had white mediums, for example.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Pennybabie on July 28, 2021, 02:27:16 PM
Quote from: Fooj on July 25, 2021, 09:37:06 PM
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alright going to grab my first set of Thunders. i’ve skated Indys most of my life but past 2-3 years been riding 5.8 titanium ventures.  out of the diff thunder models where should i start?  going to get 149s, but do you think standard, hollow lite, titanium?  any input is appreciated
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Id say grab any thunders with cast plates, especially if youre coming from a higher truck like indy.


On another note...looks like Yuto on some V lows with hards and 51mms? I might try that combo tomorrow

(https://i.imgur.com/8BzZn9Q.png)

Any one know the size of that deck?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Banging in the Slammer on July 28, 2021, 03:44:23 PM
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Thank You Supply got more of the Tensor maglight ATGs in stock, so I bought a pair. Usually ride Venture lows, so the 55mm height of the ATGs was throwing me off

After some messing around with different baseplates, I happened upon a solution to my madness. A Kurx K4 baseplate works perfectly with a ATG hanger and the stock Tensor bushings, and dropped the trucks height to ~48mm. It rides like if Indy made a low truck, probably due to the shorter wheelbase. The most surprising finding was that out of my collection of 12 sets of baseplates the ATG Maglights were the heaviest. Perhaps only the mag light hangers are magnesium?
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How does the turn feel? And whats the wheelbase extension of the k4 baseplate + atg hangers

The turn is not nearly as surfy as the ATGs, although it does make the board pop and flip like Indy’s. Probably due to its short wheelbase. Ghost pop would probably be an issue if you’re skating a mellow deck. The trucks are set up medium tight.  So wheelbite isn’t really an issue, although it does happen. I’m working a late one, so I’ll post a pic tomorrow
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 28, 2021, 07:36:10 PM
Anyone else just skate Indy’s with Indy hangers, Indy plates, Indy bushings, and stock pivot cups? Shits the jam these days
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on July 28, 2021, 07:58:08 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 28, 2021, 07:36:10 PM
Anyone else just skate Indy’s with Indy hangers, Indy plates, Indy bushings, and stock pivot cups? Shits the jam these days

Yeah man, I've been riding some stock 144 Standards I bought in the classifieds here. It's hilarious reading the Ace thread and everyone talking about all the modifications they made to their AF1 to get them to work right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on July 29, 2021, 04:25:14 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on July 28, 2021, 07:58:08 PM
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Anyone else just skate Indy’s with Indy hangers, Indy plates, Indy bushings, and stock pivot cups? Shits the jam these days
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Yeah man, I've been riding some stock 144 Standards I bought in the classifieds here. It's hilarious reading the Ace thread and everyone talking about all the modifications they made to their AF1 to get them to work right.

when I had indy's I rode them stock same with aces. Some people just enjoy messing with their setups
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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alright going to grab my first set of Thunders. i’ve skated Indys most of my life but past 2-3 years been riding 5.8 titanium ventures.  out of the diff thunder models where should i start?  going to get 149s, but do you think standard, hollow lite, titanium?  any input is appreciated
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Id say grab any thunders with cast plates, especially if youre coming from a higher truck like indy.


On another note...looks like Yuto on some V lows with hards and 51mms? I might try that combo tomorrow

(https://i.imgur.com/8BzZn9Q.png)
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Any one know the size of that deck?

According to the website, that deck came in 8, 8.125, and 8.25 (but they are sold out).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on July 29, 2021, 05:29:04 AM
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Anyone else just skate Indy’s with Indy hangers, Indy plates, Indy bushings, and stock pivot cups? Shits the jam these days
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Yeah man, I've been riding some stock 144 Standards I bought in the classifieds here. It's hilarious reading the Ace thread and everyone talking about all the modifications they made to their AF1 to get them to work right.
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when I had indy's I rode them stock same with aces. Some people just enjoy messing with their setups

I'm not talking about futzing with your bushings, I mean people are replacing all the parts of the truck (bushings, pivot cup, washers) because with thr new AF1s, there seems to be something actually wrong with each of these things.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on July 29, 2021, 09:07:05 AM
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Anyone else just skate Indy’s with Indy hangers, Indy plates, Indy bushings, and stock pivot cups? Shits the jam these days
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Yeah man, I've been riding some stock 144 Standards I bought in the classifieds here. It's hilarious reading the Ace thread and everyone talking about all the modifications they made to their AF1 to get them to work right.
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when I had indy's I rode them stock same with aces. Some people just enjoy messing with their setups
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I'm not talking about futzing with your bushings, I mean people are replacing all the parts of the truck (bushings, pivot cup, washers) because with thr new AF1s, there seems to be something actually wrong with each of these things.

I see what you mean now. I was talking about AF1's in my case though. A lot of those guys definitely got unlucky but mine are untouched as far as modifications
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Pennybabie on July 29, 2021, 10:08:18 AM
Quote from: JANUS on July 29, 2021, 04:48:49 AM
According to the website, that deck came in 8, 8.125, and 8.25 (but they are sold out).

Bummer thanks!

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 29, 2021, 12:45:17 PM
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Anyone else just skate Indy’s with Indy hangers, Indy plates, Indy bushings, and stock pivot cups? Shits the jam these days
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The Venture thread is even better- apparently you have to replace the bushings and top washer so they can basically turn like and Indy
Yeah man, I've been riding some stock 144 Standards I bought in the classifieds here. It's hilarious reading the Ace thread and everyone talking about all the modifications they made to their AF1 to get them to work right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaleSr on July 29, 2021, 01:29:07 PM
Well since my indys with krepers got jacked I'm gonna gave to get some more 159s and probably get krux kingpins
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on July 29, 2021, 01:29:42 PM
I remember being a kid and not caring about my set-up beyond how it looked. I can vaguely remember riding shitty quality boards, some probably warped. Trucks that didn't turn, god awful stock bushings that I had no concept of the fact they could be swapped out. Destroyed pivot cups, flat spotted wheels on the first day, seized bearings. We didn't care, we just skated. If stock trucks work for you, then more power to you. But I thoroughly enjoy tinkering with my set-up in weird ways and am taking full advantage of the magical world of skate hardgoods and all the options that can change how things feel in all these little ways. Truck goon for life. Shalom
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 29, 2021, 01:39:25 PM
Quote from: DaleSr on July 29, 2021, 01:29:07 PM
Well since my indys with krepers got jacked I'm gonna gave to get some more 159s and probably get krux kingpins

IDK what your preference is, but the Krux aren't threaded nearly enough. If you have any intention of skating tighter than a little less than stock, just get more Krepers.


Obviously if you've skated both and know you like the Krux more, disregard.

(https://i.imgur.com/WgOG4zK.jpg)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/253447181873?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/253447181873?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on July 29, 2021, 02:09:31 PM
Quote from: logjammin on July 29, 2021, 01:29:42 PM
I remember being a kid and not caring about my set-up beyond how it looked. I can vaguely remember riding shitty quality boards, some probably warped. Trucks that didn't turn, god awful stock bushings that I had no concept of the fact they could be swapped out. Destroyed pivot cups, flat spotted wheels on the first day, seized bearings. We didn't care, we just skated. If stock trucks work for you, then more power to you. But I thoroughly enjoy tinkering with my set-up in weird ways and am taking full advantage of the magical world of skate hardgoods and all the options that can change how things feel in all these little ways. Truck goon for life. Shalom

I was thinking recently about how I would probably go a whole summer without one touching my trucks, bearings, wheels, whatever. Didn’t even cross my mind. I probably couldn’t have found my skate tool if I looked hard for it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fasttimes on July 29, 2021, 02:40:29 PM
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I remember being a kid and not caring about my set-up beyond how it looked. I can vaguely remember riding shitty quality boards, some probably warped. Trucks that didn't turn, god awful stock bushings that I had no concept of the fact they could be swapped out. Destroyed pivot cups, flat spotted wheels on the first day, seized bearings. We didn't care, we just skated. If stock trucks work for you, then more power to you. But I thoroughly enjoy tinkering with my set-up in weird ways and am taking full advantage of the magical world of skate hardgoods and all the options that can change how things feel in all these little ways. Truck goon for life. Shalom
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I was thinking recently about how I would probably go a whole summer without one touching my trucks, bearings, wheels, whatever. Didn’t even cross my mind. I probably couldn’t have found my skate tool if I looked hard for it.

Agreed. Have fun and it'll work just fine. We use to share stuff with friends just to keep going. I miss being a broke kid. . . .
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaleSr on July 29, 2021, 03:06:22 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on July 29, 2021, 01:39:25 PM
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Well since my indys with krepers got jacked I'm gonna gave to get some more 159s and probably get krux kingpins
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Obviously if you've skated both and know you like the Krux more, disregard.
IDK what your preference is, but the Krux aren't threaded nearly enough. If you have any intention of skating tighter than a little less than stock, just get more Krepers.

(https://i.imgur.com/WgOG4zK.jpg)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/253447181873?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/253447181873?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649)

Damn you're probably right. I just think the krux ones look so sexy. I'll probably grab a few of both just to keep on hand
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on July 29, 2021, 07:41:20 PM
Quote from: Fasttimes on July 29, 2021, 02:40:29 PM
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I remember being a kid and not caring about my set-up beyond how it looked. I can vaguely remember riding shitty quality boards, some probably warped. Trucks that didn't turn, god awful stock bushings that I had no concept of the fact they could be swapped out. Destroyed pivot cups, flat spotted wheels on the first day, seized bearings. We didn't care, we just skated. If stock trucks work for you, then more power to you. But I thoroughly enjoy tinkering with my set-up in weird ways and am taking full advantage of the magical world of skate hardgoods and all the options that can change how things feel in all these little ways. Truck goon for life. Shalom
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I was thinking recently about how I would probably go a whole summer without one touching my trucks, bearings, wheels, whatever. Didn’t even cross my mind. I probably couldn’t have found my skate tool if I looked hard for it.
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Agreed. Have fun and it'll work just fine. We use to share stuff with friends just to keep going. I miss being a broke kid. . . .

Turn was never a considering for me growing up, "why lean when you can tick tack?".
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 30, 2021, 11:00:39 AM
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I remember being a kid and not caring about my set-up beyond how it looked. I can vaguely remember riding shitty quality boards, some probably warped. Trucks that didn't turn, god awful stock bushings that I had no concept of the fact they could be swapped out. Destroyed pivot cups, flat spotted wheels on the first day, seized bearings. We didn't care, we just skated. If stock trucks work for you, then more power to you. But I thoroughly enjoy tinkering with my set-up in weird ways and am taking full advantage of the magical world of skate hardgoods and all the options that can change how things feel in all these little ways. Truck goon for life. Shalom
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I was thinking recently about how I would probably go a whole summer without one touching my trucks, bearings, wheels, whatever. Didn’t even cross my mind. I probably couldn’t have found my skate tool if I looked hard for it.
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Agreed. Have fun and it'll work just fine. We use to share stuff with friends just to keep going. I miss being a broke kid. . . .
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Turn was never a considering for me growing up, "why lean when you can tick tack?".

Turning was always critical for me (I started on Indys) and instantly gravitated towards loose trucks.

Never tinkered unless you call using thunder/indy hybrids because you cracked a plate or killed a hanger.

We rode wheels down to bearing condoms (unless you couldn't ride out the flatspot), replaced broken bolts with whatever size or head shape was around, razortailed until tails were no longer even, swapped bearings when they seized, always ground down to axle, and rode stock bushings until they cracked or crumbled and then replaced with whatever top or bottom (if we even had any 'extra'). Good times.

That all said, back in the day, boards and kingpins snapped A LOT more than they do now (chipped way easier too...woodfiller and grip patches) and baseplates cracked at the bolt holes quite a bit, especially during the launch/jump ramp days and then moving onto loading docks/stairs and gaps...so the surplus of parts really grew out of necessity.

Gear is definatly more durable these days.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 30, 2021, 11:35:55 AM
Quote from: Banging in the Slammer on July 28, 2021, 01:13:33 PM
Thank You Supply got more of the Tensor maglight ATGs in stock, so I bought a pair. Usually ride Venture lows, so the 55mm height of the ATGs was throwing me off

After some messing around with different baseplates, I happened upon a solution to my madness. A Kurx K4 baseplate works perfectly with a ATG hanger and the stock Tensor bushings, and dropped the trucks height to ~48mm. It rides like if Indy made a low truck, probably due to the shorter wheelbase. The most surprising finding was that out of my collection of 12 sets of baseplates the ATG Maglights were the heaviest. Perhaps only the mag light hangers are magnesium?

Are you sure you ordered/they sent you maglights and not the standard aluminums?

ATG Maglight plates are some of the lightest if not the lightest out there...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jwGYQFKgk9B4IV21b3DuqiMUWQ3kbaYXgD0DRb5vm5GUNCwIC5ZFDrijj2vMtvARMxRElPHQyqPhZGbceYdLqLS09uwtNfIrJ_oueWNodnq_IB_KgpSie1q8pEggP6k7P7OLLvYy1C0=w2400)

(all weighed with stock pins and pivot cups only)

ACE classic 125g
Mini Logo 102g
Hollow Forged Indy 100g
Hollow Forged Venture 97g

Didn't bother to dismantle my Thunders Team hollows because I know they are heavier than the Tensor Mag plates. I'd wager that Thunder forged hollow are damn close tho.

I guarantee you the below are heavier:

Standard Indy
IKP Indy
Standard Thunder
Standard Venture
Standard Krux

So, I'd be very interested in seeing your collection of 12 plates and their weight that are lighter than 75g as I'm already running out of 'light' brands and baseplate combinations and had to resort to cast plate combinations.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on July 30, 2021, 11:40:22 AM
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I remember being a kid and not caring about my set-up beyond how it looked. I can vaguely remember riding shitty quality boards, some probably warped. Trucks that didn't turn, god awful stock bushings that I had no concept of the fact they could be swapped out. Destroyed pivot cups, flat spotted wheels on the first day, seized bearings. We didn't care, we just skated. If stock trucks work for you, then more power to you. But I thoroughly enjoy tinkering with my set-up in weird ways and am taking full advantage of the magical world of skate hardgoods and all the options that can change how things feel in all these little ways. Truck goon for life. Shalom
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I was thinking recently about how I would probably go a whole summer without one touching my trucks, bearings, wheels, whatever. Didn’t even cross my mind. I probably couldn’t have found my skate tool if I looked hard for it.
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Agreed. Have fun and it'll work just fine. We use to share stuff with friends just to keep going. I miss being a broke kid. . . .
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Turn was never a considering for me growing up, "why lean when you can tick tack?".
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That all said, back in the day, boards and kingpins snapped A LOT more than they do now [...]
Gear is definatly more durable these days.

Never thought about it, but I regularly snapped kingpins when I was young, and it has not happened to me in at least 15 years or so. Granted, I mostly rode Venture, Grind Kind, and Destructo in 90s and early 00s, and have been on Indys since.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: al_cvbrera on July 30, 2021, 12:14:47 PM
how much wider apart the do truck axles feel between ventures and thunders? im looking for a break from the tight wheelbase of aces and independents (the only 2 brands i've ever ridden). i know ventures are marginally wider apart axle to axle but what do you guys think?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaleSr on July 30, 2021, 12:18:16 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on July 29, 2021, 01:39:25 PM
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Well since my indys with krepers got jacked I'm gonna gave to get some more 159s and probably get krux kingpins
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IDK what your preference is, but the Krux aren't threaded nearly enough. If you have any intention of skating tighter than a little less than stock, just get more Krepers.


Obviously if you've skated both and know you like the Krux more, disregard.

(https://i.imgur.com/WgOG4zK.jpg)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/253447181873?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/253447181873?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649)

Do you think you could get it threaded a little further on the krux kingpin?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 30, 2021, 12:27:05 PM
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Well since my indys with krepers got jacked I'm gonna gave to get some more 159s and probably get krux kingpins
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IDK what your preference is, but the Krux aren't threaded nearly enough. If you have any intention of skating tighter than a little less than stock, just get more Krepers.


Obviously if you've skated both and know you like the Krux more, disregard.

(https://i.imgur.com/WgOG4zK.jpg)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/253447181873?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/253447181873?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649)
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Do you think you could get it threaded a little further on the krux kingpin?

Like use a threading die to make them go further? I've never rethreaded a kingpin even a little. I think @Mbrimson88 has but he hasn't been posting much as of late.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on July 30, 2021, 12:28:32 PM
Quote from: DaleSr on July 30, 2021, 12:18:16 PM
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Well since my indys with krepers got jacked I'm gonna gave to get some more 159s and probably get krux kingpins
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IDK what your preference is, but the Krux aren't threaded nearly enough. If you have any intention of skating tighter than a little less than stock, just get more Krepers.


Obviously if you've skated both and know you like the Krux more, disregard.

(https://i.imgur.com/WgOG4zK.jpg)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/253447181873?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/253447181873?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649)
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Do you think you could get it threaded a little further on the krux kingpin?

I’m sure it could be done with the right die, but the kingpin is already pretty thin Chromoly with rolled threads, and I’d worry that cutting new threads would weaken the pin itself. I actually sat there in my workshop examining it for fifteen minutes before putting my tools away and swapping in a Kreeper kingpin.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaleSr on July 30, 2021, 12:59:43 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on July 30, 2021, 12:28:32 PM
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Well since my indys with krepers got jacked I'm gonna gave to get some more 159s and probably get krux kingpins
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IDK what your preference is, but the Krux aren't threaded nearly enough. If you have any intention of skating tighter than a little less than stock, just get more Krepers.


Obviously if you've skated both and know you like the Krux more, disregard.

(https://i.imgur.com/WgOG4zK.jpg)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/253447181873?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/253447181873?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649)
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Do you think you could get it threaded a little further on the krux kingpin?
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I’m sure it could be done with the right die, but the kingpin is already pretty thin Chromoly with rolled threads, and I’d worry that cutting new threads would weaken the pin itself. I actually sat there in my workshop examining it for fifteen minutes before putting my tools away and swapping in a Kreeper kingpin.

You're doing the lords work ❤️
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 30, 2021, 01:00:29 PM
Quote from: DaleSr on July 30, 2021, 12:18:16 PM
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Well since my indys with krepers got jacked I'm gonna gave to get some more 159s and probably get krux kingpins
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IDK what your preference is, but the Krux aren't threaded nearly enough. If you have any intention of skating tighter than a little less than stock, just get more Krepers.


Obviously if you've skated both and know you like the Krux more, disregard.

(https://i.imgur.com/WgOG4zK.jpg)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/253447181873?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/253447181873?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649)
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Do you think you could get it threaded a little further on the krux kingpin?

The krux pins are called 'Downlow' for a reason: they were made for the 49mm Krux LOW truck...I always use a low/shaved top bushing with them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ok boomer on July 30, 2021, 01:02:58 PM
I like to fantasize about using 8" boards with 147 Thunders, even though my heart belongs to Indy 139s and 7.81" decks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Banging in the Slammer on July 30, 2021, 01:04:30 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 30, 2021, 11:35:55 AM
Quote from: Banging in the Slammer on July 28, 2021, 01:13:33 PM
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Thank You Supply got more of the Tensor maglight ATGs in stock, so I bought a pair. Usually ride Venture lows, so the 55mm height of the ATGs was throwing me off

After some messing around with different baseplates, I happened upon a solution to my madness. A Kurx K4 baseplate works perfectly with a ATG hanger and the stock Tensor bushings, and dropped the trucks height to ~48mm. It rides like if Indy made a low truck, probably due to the shorter wheelbase. The most surprising finding was that out of my collection of 12 sets of baseplates the ATG Maglights were the heaviest. Perhaps only the mag light hangers are magnesium?
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Are you sure you ordered/they sent you maglights and not the standard aluminums?

ATG Maglight plates are some of the lightest if not the lightest out there...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jwGYQFKgk9B4IV21b3DuqiMUWQ3kbaYXgD0DRb5vm5GUNCwIC5ZFDrijj2vMtvARMxRElPHQyqPhZGbceYdLqLS09uwtNfIrJ_oueWNodnq_IB_KgpSie1q8pEggP6k7P7OLLvYy1C0=w2400)

(all weighed with stock pins and pivot cups only)

ACE classic 125g
Mini Logo 102g
Hollow Forged Indy 100g
Hollow Forged Venture 97g

Didn't bother to dismantle my Thunders Team hollows because I know they are heavier than the Tensor Mag plates. I'd wager that Thunder forged hollow are damn close tho.

I guarantee you the below are heavier:

Standard Indy
IKP Indy
Standard Thunder
Standard Venture
Standard Krux

So, I'd be very interested in seeing your collection of 12 plates and their weight that are lighter than 75g as I'm already running out of 'light' brands and baseplate combinations and had to resort to cast plate combinations.

I ordered the Maglights. They came with the maglight sticker on the hanger along with the logo. The one truck weighed 308 grams and the other weighed 305 grams.

I knocked the kingpin in the attached image out to replace it with krux downlow pins. Even with the kingpin out, your baseplate and kingpin still weighs less than just my baseplate. What gives? :(

It took me forever to post this comment on mobile. Im so old and out of touch. Why doesn’t Slap support jpeg files?
https://i.imgur.com/IwbvtN8.jpg
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 30, 2021, 02:58:33 PM
7g of paint? :P

Or our scales are off?

What other plates do you have? Any I listed for a comparison?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 30, 2021, 03:45:04 PM
I measured 5 other plates (with pins and cups) and 3 were 75g the others 74g

Yes, I have 3 sets of Tensor ATG Mags 8/8.25/8.5
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on July 30, 2021, 03:59:24 PM
The mag light atg TENS seem to be a lot lighter than the normal mag lights atg.
skatedeluxe tells me about 260g vs 300g
Xen might have the tens?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Well since my indys with krepers got jacked I'm gonna gave to get some more 159s and probably get krux kingpins
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IDK what your preference is, but the Krux aren't threaded nearly enough. If you have any intention of skating tighter than a little less than stock, just get more Krepers.


Obviously if you've skated both and know you like the Krux more, disregard.

(https://i.imgur.com/WgOG4zK.jpg)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/253447181873?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/253447181873?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649)
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Do you think you could get it threaded a little further on the krux kingpin?
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I’m sure it could be done with the right die, but the kingpin is already pretty thin Chromoly with rolled threads, and I’d worry that cutting new threads would weaken the pin itself. I actually sat there in my workshop examining it for fifteen minutes before putting my tools away and swapping in a Kreeper kingpin.
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You're doing the lords work ❤️

To be clear, I am not a materials scientist and I have no qualifications except for having worked around machining and as a mechanic for a long time. I just sat there and looked at it under a bright light and measured it with my calipers, and thought "this would be shady as hell."
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 30, 2021, 05:48:47 PM
Quote from: goodatmeth on July 30, 2021, 03:59:24 PM
The mag light atg TENS seem to be a lot lighter than the normal mag lights atg.
skatedeluxe tells me about 260g vs 300g
Xen might have the tens?

They are all ATG Maglights, I (and my OCD) assure you.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/QtBMbXCyBcAUpW-0IKigOwr1qboFkeNE6R3t2l8lqHmvUST2YxTzsGXmYMjP2TbBiNFmivP5AJ0c6O8VSnUBxluzI2glpaVn0gA_TRDcmaB8pJ9TBt3zMAdcaHvfqb-O9biSpuCkdHI=w2400)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on July 31, 2021, 05:08:06 AM
Quote from: Xen on July 30, 2021, 05:48:47 PM
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The mag light atg TENS seem to be a lot lighter than the normal mag lights atg.
skatedeluxe tells me about 260g vs 300g
Xen might have the tens?
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They are all ATG Maglights, I (and my OCD) assure you.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/QtBMbXCyBcAUpW-0IKigOwr1qboFkeNE6R3t2l8lqHmvUST2YxTzsGXmYMjP2TbBiNFmivP5AJ0c6O8VSnUBxluzI2glpaVn0gA_TRDcmaB8pJ9TBt3zMAdcaHvfqb-O9biSpuCkdHI=w2400)

ATG Maglights for sure, but are they the TENs?
Yours are the right color to be TENs, his are not. So it would make sense for yours to have the lighter baseplate
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 31, 2021, 02:38:43 PM
A lot of adult rippers at at the skatepark this morning. decided to nerd out and see what trucks people were using. Mostly Thunders with a few Ace and a small smattering of Indys. Interesting.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 31, 2021, 03:09:08 PM
Quote from: goodatmeth on July 31, 2021, 05:08:06 AM
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The mag light atg TENS seem to be a lot lighter than the normal mag lights atg.
skatedeluxe tells me about 260g vs 300g
Xen might have the tens?
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They are all ATG Maglights, I (and my OCD) assure you.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/QtBMbXCyBcAUpW-0IKigOwr1qboFkeNE6R3t2l8lqHmvUST2YxTzsGXmYMjP2TbBiNFmivP5AJ0c6O8VSnUBxluzI2glpaVn0gA_TRDcmaB8pJ9TBt3zMAdcaHvfqb-O9biSpuCkdHI=w2400)
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ATG Maglights for sure, but are they the TENs?
Yours are the right color to be TENs, his are not. So it would make sense for yours to have the lighter baseplate

Dude, they are ATGs trust me, I know what gear I buy and the difference between models within brands.

- There is no ‘10’ on the baseplate
- The ATG baseplate has only the tensor swoosh thing where the 10 would be
- The ATG baseplate is also thinner/more selected than the 10

They are the matte grey/silver the ATGs mags come in…it’s the default ‘grey’ powdercoat and yes, they also use it on the 10s…just like all the other colors. Google it dude.



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on July 31, 2021, 03:21:54 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 31, 2021, 03:09:08 PM
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The mag light atg TENS seem to be a lot lighter than the normal mag lights atg.
skatedeluxe tells me about 260g vs 300g
Xen might have the tens?
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They are all ATG Maglights, I (and my OCD) assure you.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/QtBMbXCyBcAUpW-0IKigOwr1qboFkeNE6R3t2l8lqHmvUST2YxTzsGXmYMjP2TbBiNFmivP5AJ0c6O8VSnUBxluzI2glpaVn0gA_TRDcmaB8pJ9TBt3zMAdcaHvfqb-O9biSpuCkdHI=w2400)
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ATG Maglights for sure, but are they the TENs?
Yours are the right color to be TENs, his are not. So it would make sense for yours to have the lighter baseplate
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Dude, they are ATGs trust me, I know what gear I buy and the difference between models within brands.

There is no ‘10’ on the baseplate.

They are the matte grey/silver the ATGs mags come in…it’s the default ‘grey’ powdercoat.

I 100% believe you, I'm just saying there are two types of ATG mag lights and the new ones have a lighter baseplate.

Skatedeluxe calls them TENs, the official tensor site does not call them that, they just call them new. I didn't know that, sorry.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 31, 2021, 03:26:14 PM
They are  NEW  because they are a different geometry truck, the ATG (all terrain geometry).

Dudes baseplate and mine are the exact same design, the ATG, I assure you; I’ve got 3 fricken sets of them I know the difference..And knowing, is half the battle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on July 31, 2021, 03:48:35 PM
You know more than me about (these) trucks I'm sure about that. How the hell are the glossy ones just 40g heavier than the silver ones. I wonder if his baseplates say "Magnesium" on the bottom like yours.

Edit: I'm seriously sorry if I annoyed you with all that. I just thought there's some mystery I might be able to solve. And I apparently can not.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 31, 2021, 06:24:15 PM
Quote from: goodatmeth on July 31, 2021, 03:48:35 PM
You know more than me about (these) trucks I'm sure about that. How the hell are the glossy ones just 40g heavier than the silver ones. I wonder if his baseplates say "Magnesium" on the bottom like yours.

Edit: I'm seriously sorry if I annoyed you with all that. I just thought there's some mystery I might be able to solve. And I apparently can not.

Either one of our scales is off or his scale has a tare weight added that he is unaware of (I know I don't have one set) that is adding to the overall weight...because at almost 7g heavier WITHOUT a kingpin, something is very off.

From what I can tell my scale is accurate when measuring other things (non-skate) as well as skate items that have wieghts listed online for reference (e.g. indys).

Or he has aluminum plates that were mistakenly sprayed and matched with mag hangers (I don't think they did the flourescent colorways on the aluminum ones).

Either way, I still can't find a baseplate in my quiver that is lighter than the ATG Mag plate; second lightest I have on hand is the Thunder Forged Hollow plate that weighs in at 90g....(which would still make his plate lighter) so I am not sure what 12 plates exist/he's got on hand that are lighter than 82.4g.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 31, 2021, 08:18:56 PM
Never thought I’d see someone get in a heated argument about Tensor truck knowledge.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fhk on August 01, 2021, 06:41:25 AM
Does anyone know if thunder hollows have baseplates that have the hex head slot that fits the nut for krux kingpins?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Banging in the Slammer on August 01, 2021, 06:58:38 AM
I should preface this with, I really didn’t want to start an argument. Most of my baseplates are thunder lows which I horarded after they went out of production. There’s a couple ventures in there and some weird plastic Gallwing, and some unbranded baseplates.

Right now I’m traveling for work, but I do have a picture of the k4 Krux baseplate on my phone, so I’ll post it along with the bottom of my ATG maglight trucks.

Bought another pair of the ATGs in a larger size because I love the grind so much and have since forgone the Krux baseplate. I love them, they may be my favorite truck ever

As for the accuracy of my scale, I’m fairly certain it’s pretty accurate. I’ve also weighed both baseplates several times and they weighed ~85ish grams without the kingpins. Here’s the bottom of my ATGs. Tried to strip the paint off with environmentally friendly paint stripper, it took a lot of scrapping. Got all the paint off the top of the baseplate with a lot of hard scrubbing then decided it wasn’t worth the effort on the bottom  https://imgur.com/a/XgzPmTO
https://i.imgur.com/7MdcSFS.jpg

When I get home I’ll weigh the new maglight baseplates and report back with findings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on August 01, 2021, 07:23:49 AM
Quote from: Banging in the Slammer on August 01, 2021, 06:58:38 AM
https://imgur.com/a/XgzPmTO.jpg

Yeah that's not a magnesium baseplate
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Banging in the Slammer on August 01, 2021, 07:38:24 AM
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Yeah that's not a magnesium baseplate

So they shipped me magnesium hangers with aluminum baseplates? Xen’s look the same as mine, no? The hangers had a “maglight” logo on them along with a decal saying they’re 29% than other trucks

I’m confused by Tensor’s product line

Edit: never mind, Xen’s has “magnesium” on the baseplate. So there’s ATG Maglights with mag baseplates and ATG Maglights with aluminum baseplates?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on August 01, 2021, 07:46:00 AM
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Yeah that's not a magnesium baseplate
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So they shipped me magnesium hangers with aluminum baseplates? Xen’s look the same as mine, no? The hangers had a “maglight” logo on them along with a decal saying they’re 29% than other trucks

I’m confused by Tensor’s product line

But Xen's actually say "magnesium" on the baseplate. Maybe they just fucked up and built it wrong, but I can't really imagine that. Or there are actually two versions of the ATG mag lights and the old ones are heavier.

These have the magnesium baseplates and are 40g lighter:

https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/tensor-magnesium-light-tens-5-25-all-terrain-truck-silver-8-2-pack_p88950? (https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/tensor-magnesium-light-tens-5-25-all-terrain-truck-silver-8-2-pack_p88950?)

These are heavier, same as yours:

https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/tensor-magnesium-light-glossy-5-25-all-terrain-truck-safety-pink-8-2-pack_p143889? (https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/tensor-magnesium-light-glossy-5-25-all-terrain-truck-safety-pink-8-2-pack_p143889?)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 01, 2021, 08:59:45 AM
No one is arguing unless you read it that way.

I mentioned previously they might be aluminum plates, I was just guessing, and if the above post shows the glossy pink as heavier it stands to reason those fluorescent 'glossy' colorways don’t use mag plates on purpose or it’s a mistake, you could always reach out to Tensor and find out; I would as it's false advertising...unless they've changed the product line and didn't mention it, much like Theeve did when they silently switched from Ti to Steel kingpins (man those ti pins were so fricken light).

If you go to the Thank you Supply site, the 'glossy pink' doesn't have the 'image' stating ATG but it's in the description (and has the same look/design)

https://thankyousupply.com/collections/tensor-trucks

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LewFarrell on August 01, 2021, 09:15:46 AM
I too have the Mag Lights with the heavier baseplate and no "magnesium" marking on the bottom.

Here are some pictures on Imgur: http://imgur.com/gallery/G9Bll7s (http://imgur.com/gallery/G9Bll7s)

Bought from SkateWarehouse April 2021. I hit Tensor up on IG asking about this. Will post up if I receive a response.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 01, 2021, 09:29:10 AM
Smells like a product revision...surely they still can't be 30% lighter...unless that number was bullshit to begin with.

Be interesting to see what they say via social. Did you DM them or post publicly calling them out?

Ordered 8" maglights from SW 2/17/20
Got some 8.5" via a slap pal from his local in March of this year
No idea where or when I picked up the 5.5 mags
All plates say magnesium

Ever since I was sent Ti Ventures that weren't Ti, I always check in shop or after delivery to make sure.

The only public image of the ATG Mag plates I can find are from here:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DremJukk0iI/maxresdefault.jpg)

Shows both the Aluminum and mag plates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DremJukk0iI
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LewFarrell on August 01, 2021, 09:43:46 AM
@Xen I hit the DMs but I'll comment my question on their most recent post too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on August 01, 2021, 10:02:13 AM
Just to add. I bought my mag atg from thank you. A year ago. They have magnesium on the baseplate. Magnesium base plates take a lot of damage. These are pretty worn. On my destructo mags, I wore them down to the pivot cup.

I could see them doing a redesign, but since it’s a skateboard company, I could also see them encountering a supply shortage and changing the truck without telling people because nobody would notice. This could also be why I can’t find a pair of silver mag at the moment as the color of the base and hanger would be a little off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 01, 2021, 12:15:10 PM
Quote from: Seventyfuhkinseven on August 01, 2021, 06:41:25 AM
Does anyone know if thunder hollows have baseplates that have the hex head slot that fits the nut for krux kingpins?

@Seventyfuhkinseven
My 'Silvas Omni' [team] Hollows from the most recent drop do:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0BK-zBpFz9VyV8sStRySLgCldlR96r69wdobgUt45hFHdCjcD-WS22ghbdU9Z_pOMiwwuxJYo0mP7CXZaAjNW81Telf3LE2Bzti3OMczhe5d1poi38_xCGh6XEu45UB4OYM_CGPaNk0=w2400)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 01, 2021, 02:12:12 PM
How easy do you think those pop out?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on August 01, 2021, 02:39:01 PM
I usually run the flat washer at the top, bare bottoms with Bones in Thunders and swapping the washer from the top to the bottom mades a huge difference for me. I think the hangers were tilted ever so slightly inwards with the washer at the top and putting it at the bottom evened them out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 01, 2021, 02:59:05 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 01, 2021, 02:12:12 PM
How easy do you think those pop out?

The stock pins?

I did the krux conversion a few years ago on thunder teams, they popped right out. Who knows if due to the new format that would be different, but somehow I don’t think they’ve changed metal or casting process, just the mold.

I’m slightly tempted but will probably wait until I grind them down to where I need the room or dlx drop their stand alone IKP as can barely get thunders loose enough as it is and using a downlow pin only makes that tougher.

It’s got to be in prep for a dlx IKP unless they’re just being user friendly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ImmanuelCunt on August 01, 2021, 03:14:15 PM
They pop out easy on cast. At least on my 1-2 year old thunder. A real pain on the forged ones. Took me half a day without success and until I tried a sledgehammer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 01, 2021, 05:31:38 PM
Two years ago cast no problem...last years cast....one easy...other nope...it could be something which varies.  I just think they don't engineer and manufacture them for easy replacement.  Kingpins don't break like they use to. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fhk on August 01, 2021, 06:03:38 PM
I found some cast plates and they both popped out in 2/3 swings but they don't have the hex cut out. The krux kingpins I ordered say K5 dlx they look the same as the normal ones, I hope they are.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lazer69 on August 01, 2021, 10:56:55 PM
I have some thunder lights. The stock bushings splooged out. I'm a big boy. I took out some bones hards that I used in some indies for 5 months. I couldn't fit it with the washer so I took it out. I go to the park with no tool, and they feel too tight and I simultaneously have wheel-bite. It feels like borrowed someones elses board that rides the opposite stance. I think I put the bushing I previously had in the front, in the back and vice-versa. Did not expect it feel like this.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on August 02, 2021, 09:50:36 PM
Anyone know how the mag light lows affect WB? Is it similar to the current ATGs (which I think are +3.125)?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on August 04, 2021, 09:49:58 AM
Kick started some truck madness again. I felt pretty good on 159 hollows and titaniums. Moved across the country and my stuff was all boxed up so I bought some 159 standards on a whim, and I actually like them more I think?

I also changed up to some wider wheels so now I want to try some 149 standards to see if those work better.

Also wonder if all these things are so subtle that a 9 to 5 desk jockey will barely notice the differences. Would be nice to pick one setup to stick with for good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on August 06, 2021, 09:20:11 AM
Quote from: sketchyrider on August 04, 2021, 09:49:58 AM
Kick started some truck madness again. I felt pretty good on 159 hollows and titaniums. Moved across the country and my stuff was all boxed up so I bought some 159 standards on a whim, and I actually like them more I think?

I also changed up to some wider wheels so now I want to try some 149 standards to see if those work better.

Also wonder if all these things are so subtle that a 9 to 5 desk jockey will barely notice the differences. Would be nice to pick one setup to stick with for good.
I can relate to this 100 percent.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on August 07, 2021, 01:16:53 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ueAVwdV.jpg)

Is there any downside to skating with pivot cup kinda exposed through the baseplate?

Trucks were way to axled so swapped the hangers recently and now I'm through the baseplate too lol

Feels totally fine when I'm skating but definitely don't want to eat shit mid trick as my truck crumbles on me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on August 07, 2021, 03:43:44 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on August 07, 2021, 01:16:53 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ueAVwdV.jpg)

Is there any downside to skating with pivot cup kinda exposed through the baseplate?

Trucks were way to axled so swapped the hangers recently and now I'm through the baseplate too lol

Feels totally fine when I'm skating but definitely don't want to eat shit mid trick as my truck crumbles on me

Frankly I never had a baseplate looking like this but I suspect the pivot can easily break through in a number of situations. The pivot is subject to a lot of momentum.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 07, 2021, 04:58:22 PM
Sooner or later that hanger/pivot is going to just pop the fuck out...kingpin snap and down you go, I'd say you are risking it as it is.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on August 07, 2021, 06:17:20 PM
Quote from: Xen on August 07, 2021, 04:58:22 PM
Sooner or later that hanger/pivot is going to just pop the fuck out...kingpin snap and down you go, I'd say you are risking it as it is.
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 08, 2021, 08:01:51 AM
You'll shoot your eye out.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on August 09, 2021, 12:03:03 AM
swapped out the baseplates. you guys got me spooked.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: white guy in a durag on August 09, 2021, 03:40:26 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on August 09, 2021, 12:03:03 AM
swapped out the baseplates. you guys got me spooked.
I mean, running half a baseplate is plenty spooky on it's own.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Banging in the Slammer on August 09, 2021, 04:52:02 AM
Been riding some inverted kingpins. Taking off my truck to adjust tightness got old. So I mix up some Gorilla epoxy but ran out halfway through.

Devcon plastic steel was used instead for the remaining truck. The Gorilla epoxy chunked out upon tightening despite curing for three days. The Devcon plastic steel cured strong like a carbon fiber impregnated plastic. Much less squishy and seemingly more resistance. Devcon seems to be the way to go
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on August 09, 2021, 06:51:57 AM
Quote from: Banging in the Slammer on August 09, 2021, 04:52:02 AM
Been riding some inverted kingpins. Taking off my truck to adjust tightness got old. So I mix up some Gorilla epoxy but ran out halfway through.

Devcon plastic steel was used instead for the remaining truck. The Gorilla epoxy chunked out upon tightening despite curing for three days. The Devcon plastic steel cured strong like a carbon fiber impregnated plastic. Much less squishy and seemingly more resistance. Devcon seems to be the way to go

Gun nuts love this stuff. Do you know in what way it differs (if at all) from JB Weld 2-part epoxy?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fhk on August 09, 2021, 07:41:26 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/6yD0ISt.jpg)
I just put the Dlk k5 kingpins in my 161 lights with no issues, if anyone else is considering it. It will be convenient having the Allen key since I'm a big fella and fuck with the looseness quite a bit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on August 09, 2021, 08:26:46 AM
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Been riding some inverted kingpins. Taking off my truck to adjust tightness got old. So I mix up some Gorilla epoxy but ran out halfway through.

Devcon plastic steel was used instead for the remaining truck. The Gorilla epoxy chunked out upon tightening despite curing for three days. The Devcon plastic steel cured strong like a carbon fiber impregnated plastic. Much less squishy and seemingly more resistance. Devcon seems to be the way to go
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Gun nuts love this stuff. Do you know in what way it differs (if at all) from JB Weld 2-part epoxy?

I was wondering the same thing because I wanted to ride Kreper kingpins. After some light reading about Devcon Plastic Steel, Devcon isn't an epoxy but something else entirely different: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_methacrylate

Orthopedic surgeons use bonding agents based on the same chemistry as Devcon Plastic Steel for joint replacements. So it goes to follow Devcon is probably the best you can get, no?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 09, 2021, 01:21:27 PM
Quote from: Seventyfuhkinseven on August 09, 2021, 07:41:26 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/6yD0ISt.jpg)
I just put the Dlk k5 kingpins in my 161 lights with no issues, if anyone else is considering it. It will be convenient having the Allen key since I'm a big fella and fuck with the looseness quite a bit.

Do your plates have the new hex shape? Was going to run this on my 161s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fhk on August 09, 2021, 02:45:38 PM
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I just put the Dlk k5 kingpins in my 161 lights with no issues, if anyone else is considering it. It will be convenient having the Allen key since I'm a big fella and fuck with the looseness quite a bit.
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Do your plates have the new hex shape? Was going to run this on my 161s
No sir, but there is no way for the nut to spin so it works just the same.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Banging in the Slammer on August 09, 2021, 07:59:12 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on August 09, 2021, 06:51:57 AM
Quote from: Banging in the Slammer on August 09, 2021, 04:52:02 AM
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Been riding some inverted kingpins. Taking off my truck to adjust tightness got old. So I mix up some Gorilla epoxy but ran out halfway through.

Devcon plastic steel was used instead for the remaining truck. The Gorilla epoxy chunked out upon tightening despite curing for three days. The Devcon plastic steel cured strong like a carbon fiber impregnated plastic. Much less squishy and seemingly more resistance. Devcon seems to be the way to go
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Gun nuts love this stuff. Do you know in what way it differs (if at all) from JB Weld 2-part epoxy?

Apparently Devcon isn’t an epoxy like JB weld. When you mix the two chemicals you’re actually creating a plastic. There’s tiny shards of steel in the mixture which add a shit ton of reinforcement. When it dries it feels like ceramic

Shit fucking stinks to high heaven though, probably smart to work with it outside
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaleSr on August 09, 2021, 08:05:58 PM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on August 09, 2021, 08:26:46 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on August 09, 2021, 06:51:57 AM
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Quote from: Banging in the Slammer on August 09, 2021, 04:52:02 AM
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Been riding some inverted kingpins. Taking off my truck to adjust tightness got old. So I mix up some Gorilla epoxy but ran out halfway through.

Devcon plastic steel was used instead for the remaining truck. The Gorilla epoxy chunked out upon tightening despite curing for three days. The Devcon plastic steel cured strong like a carbon fiber impregnated plastic. Much less squishy and seemingly more resistance. Devcon seems to be the way to go
[close]

Gun nuts love this stuff. Do you know in what way it differs (if at all) from JB Weld 2-part epoxy?
[close]

I was wondering the same thing because I wanted to ride Kreper kingpins. After some light reading about Devcon Plastic Steel, Devcon isn't an epoxy but something else entirely different: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_methacrylate

Orthopedic surgeons use bonding agents based on the same chemistry as Devcon Plastic Steel for joint replacements. So it goes to follow Devcon is probably the best you can get, no?

Kreper kingpins are great from my experience. I can't wait to try out this devcon shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on August 11, 2021, 04:20:55 AM
Quote from: DaleSr on August 09, 2021, 08:05:58 PM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on August 09, 2021, 08:26:46 AM
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Quote from: Banging in the Slammer on August 09, 2021, 04:52:02 AM
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Been riding some inverted kingpins. Taking off my truck to adjust tightness got old. So I mix up some Gorilla epoxy but ran out halfway through.

Devcon plastic steel was used instead for the remaining truck. The Gorilla epoxy chunked out upon tightening despite curing for three days. The Devcon plastic steel cured strong like a carbon fiber impregnated plastic. Much less squishy and seemingly more resistance. Devcon seems to be the way to go
[close]

Gun nuts love this stuff. Do you know in what way it differs (if at all) from JB Weld 2-part epoxy?
[close]

I was wondering the same thing because I wanted to ride Kreper kingpins. After some light reading about Devcon Plastic Steel, Devcon isn't an epoxy but something else entirely different: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_methacrylate

Orthopedic surgeons use bonding agents based on the same chemistry as Devcon Plastic Steel for joint replacements. So it goes to follow Devcon is probably the best you can get, no?
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Kreper kingpins are great from my experience. I can't wait to try out this devcon shit

I feel I may have come up with a better/easier solution than epoxys. I hammered a brass spoke nipple between the baseplate and the nut. After mounting the trucks it works. Trucks can be tightened and loosened without the nut spinning. Probably any soft bit of metal hammered in will work, it just needs to "jam up" the rotation. I drew a shitty MS paint picture to illustrate, the red thing represents the brass nipple.

(https://i.imgur.com/iDijQEnl.jpg)

If you go down the Devcon route, I'd like to know how it goes  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: al_cvbrera on August 11, 2021, 07:22:21 AM
in your own words, how do thunders compare to ventures and vice versa? i'm really considering getting either of the two.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 11, 2021, 07:48:34 AM
Thunders- The Turn initiates nice and quick but isn't very deep. Feel stable even when loose. Can wheel bite quick without risers for some people/ setups. Some people don't like where the axle sits in relation to the baseplate- as on nose/ tail slides your wheels can catch. Very light (even the standard team trucks). Great stock bushings. I personally think the turn is improved with risers.

Ventures- The Turn is very delayed. You lean- nothing and then after a certain point it tuns quite nice. Very different feeling. Good for setting up for flip tricks, manuals and has a great pop. Huge Kingpin clearance. I haven't spent much time on Venture. I'm still yet to feel how stable they are bombing hills and how well they turn in a bowl.

My preference of the two, right now, is Thunder as I like the quick turn but also that stability when going fast.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: al_cvbrera on August 11, 2021, 07:58:50 AM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on August 11, 2021, 07:48:34 AM
Thunders- The Turn initiates nice and quick but isn't very deep. Feel stable even when loose. Can wheel bite quick without risers for some people/ setups. Some people don't like where the axle sits in relation to the baseplate- as on nose/ tail slides your wheels can catch. Very light (even the standard team trucks). Great stock bushings. I personally think the turn is improved with risers.

Ventures- The Turn is very delayed. You lean- nothing and then after a certain point it tuns quite nice. Very different feeling. Good for setting up for flip tricks, manuals and has a great pop. Huge Kingpin clearance. I haven't spent much time on Venture. I'm still yet to feel how stable they are bombing hills and how well they turn in a bowl.

My preference of the two, right now, is Thunder as I like the quick turn but also that stability when going fast.
thanks man! thunders it is then. should be interesting trying them out coming from aces.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 11, 2021, 08:16:27 AM
I rotate between Ace and Thunder and there is usually  a little adjustment period. . Thunders are going to feel very different from Ace. Both in turn and in the way they pop. Ace turn quick and deep and keep turning. Thunder is far more limited of a turn. Ace pop quick but can feel sloppy. Thunder, you need pop harder but get more in return. Just the opinions of a middle aged mediocre skateboarder, so take them with a grain of salt.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on August 11, 2021, 08:59:27 AM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on August 11, 2021, 04:20:55 AM
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Been riding some inverted kingpins. Taking off my truck to adjust tightness got old. So I mix up some Gorilla epoxy but ran out halfway through.

Devcon plastic steel was used instead for the remaining truck. The Gorilla epoxy chunked out upon tightening despite curing for three days. The Devcon plastic steel cured strong like a carbon fiber impregnated plastic. Much less squishy and seemingly more resistance. Devcon seems to be the way to go
[close]

Gun nuts love this stuff. Do you know in what way it differs (if at all) from JB Weld 2-part epoxy?
[close]

I was wondering the same thing because I wanted to ride Kreper kingpins. After some light reading about Devcon Plastic Steel, Devcon isn't an epoxy but something else entirely different: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_methacrylate

Orthopedic surgeons use bonding agents based on the same chemistry as Devcon Plastic Steel for joint replacements. So it goes to follow Devcon is probably the best you can get, no?
[close]

Kreper kingpins are great from my experience. I can't wait to try out this devcon shit
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I feel I may have come up with a better/easier solution than epoxys. I hammered a brass spoke nipple between the baseplate and the nut. After mounting the trucks it works. Trucks can be tightened and loosened without the nut spinning. Probably any soft bit of metal hammered in will work, it just needs to "jam up" the rotation. I drew a shitty MS paint picture to illustrate, the red thing represents the brass nipple.

(https://i.imgur.com/iDijQEnl.jpg)

If you go down the Devcon route, I'd like to know how it goes  :)

Mind posting a photo? I get it but I want to see how
It looks. I guarantee that I own more brass nipples than any other Slapper (unless someone else built wheels professionally for twelve years), so I am eager to try this.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ok boomer on August 11, 2021, 09:00:20 AM
Ok so I've decided to get some Thunder 147s again.
As far as avoiding magic carpet..... what is maximum width that I could use, without magic carpet'ing?
Pretty sure I could do 8.25 without it feeling too tippy, but... above that? Like 8.3, 8.4, 8.5? (I don't like trucks above 8")
8.25 max... or?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: brownjenkin on August 11, 2021, 09:25:58 AM
Quote from: ok boomer on August 11, 2021, 09:00:20 AM
Ok so I've decided to get some Thunder 147s again.
As far as avoiding magic carpet..... what is maximum width that I could use, without magic carpet'ing?
Pretty sure I could do 8.25 without it feeling too tippy, but... above that? Like 8.3, 8.4, 8.5? (I don't like trucks above 8")
8.25 max... or?

I guess that depends on your magic carpet tolerance. I just got my first pair of 147s and I've tried them on an 8.125 and an 8.25. I'm running two washers on the inside of each wheel. I feel like I could easily run them on an 8.38 without issue. But I actually prefer magic carpet to frankentruck.

147s are rather low for a standard truck so I put 1/8 risers on there. I think I'd wheelbite too hard on the 8.25 and a 50mm truck with the added tippyness.

Here's Ellington riding 147s on an 8.625 about ten years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU3oakwLoxM
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lazer69 on August 11, 2021, 05:04:52 PM
I've rode 3 different trucks the past 2 years. Indy, Venture, Thunder, and in that order.

Indys standards really did turn well, I felt surfy, and I was carving bowls when I first got them. I was riding 8.5 boards at the time. Responsive and quick turn in. I wanted to lose weight before I started trying flip tricks again due to my bad ankles. They definitely take more effort to flip. After awhile the bushing broke apart and was splooging out. I got the bones hards, and they didnt turn as quick but at least they never broke. Worked well for me, since im 200lbs. If I make a big boy setup; 8.5in more for cruising I'd want Indys again.

Ventures feel like home, I used to skate them in the mid 2000s with 7.75 boards. I was interested in longer wheelbase trucks just in case I bought a shorter WB deck. I got a good deal on some Venture bobby worrest models. Had a cool green bushing. They felt a little lighter than the Indys. By that point I was consistently skating 8.38 decks and doing flip tricks again. I cant say anything bad or anything amazing about them, they felt good, very middle of the road. Very reliable, stable, hardly every loosened, so I never carried skate tools. My main complaint is that bolts were harder to take off due to having to angle the skate tool, when it comes to deck swap time. (Its been 4 months since I've ridden the ventures, actually itching to ride em again)

I found some lightly used Thunders with hollow kingpin someone left at the spot one day. This was my first time skating a hollow anything. I love the lower effort required, especially for flipping the board. Felt good. The bushing quickly crumbled and were coming out. Switched over to my bones hards I had previously used on the Indy's. At first it felt weird. Like the board only wanted to turn one direction, and tight yet wheel bitey, after a day felt better. They work but the turn in / responsiveness slowed down a bit. I think what I like most is the lightness factor, long wheelbase, and theyre good looking. Less weight just makes skating easier, especially for someone with bad ankles. Good trucks.


Out of all 3 the indys turned the best. The ventures were the best truck "stock", stock bushing never broke, and felt harder than the others. Skating felt easiest with the Thunders. I need to try other Trucks "light" version to be fair.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaleSr on August 11, 2021, 10:08:41 PM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on August 11, 2021, 04:20:55 AM
Quote from: DaleSr on August 09, 2021, 08:05:58 PM
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Been riding some inverted kingpins. Taking off my truck to adjust tightness got old. So I mix up some Gorilla epoxy but ran out halfway through.

Devcon plastic steel was used instead for the remaining truck. The Gorilla epoxy chunked out upon tightening despite curing for three days. The Devcon plastic steel cured strong like a carbon fiber impregnated plastic. Much less squishy and seemingly more resistance. Devcon seems to be the way to go
[close]

Gun nuts love this stuff. Do you know in what way it differs (if at all) from JB Weld 2-part epoxy?
[close]

I was wondering the same thing because I wanted to ride Kreper kingpins. After some light reading about Devcon Plastic Steel, Devcon isn't an epoxy but something else entirely different: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_methacrylate

Orthopedic surgeons use bonding agents based on the same chemistry as Devcon Plastic Steel for joint replacements. So it goes to follow Devcon is probably the best you can get, no?
[close]

Kreper kingpins are great from my experience. I can't wait to try out this devcon shit
[close]

I feel I may have come up with a better/easier solution than epoxys. I hammered a brass spoke nipple between the baseplate and the nut. After mounting the trucks it works. Trucks can be tightened and loosened without the nut spinning. Probably any soft bit of metal hammered in will work, it just needs to "jam up" the rotation. I drew a shitty MS paint picture to illustrate, the red thing represents the brass nipple.

(https://i.imgur.com/iDijQEnl.jpg)

If you go down the Devcon route, I'd like to know how it goes  :)

This is some high level wizardry
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ok boomer on August 12, 2021, 06:21:17 AM
Quote from: brownjenkin on August 11, 2021, 09:25:58 AM
Quote from: ok boomer on August 11, 2021, 09:00:20 AM
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Ok so I've decided to get some Thunder 147s again.
As far as avoiding magic carpet..... what is maximum width that I could use, without magic carpet'ing?
Pretty sure I could do 8.25 without it feeling too tippy, but... above that? Like 8.3, 8.4, 8.5? (I don't like trucks above 8")
8.25 max... or?
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I guess that depends on your magic carpet tolerance. I just got my first pair of 147s and I've tried them on an 8.125 and an 8.25. I'm running two washers on the inside of each wheel. I feel like I could easily run them on an 8.38 without issue. But I actually prefer magic carpet to frankentruck.

147s are rather low for a standard truck so I put 1/8 risers on there. I think I'd wheelbite too hard on the 8.25 and a 50mm truck with the added tippyness.

Here's Ellington riding 147s on an 8.625 about ten years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU3oakwLoxM

Ellington on high level carpet.
I bought an 8.2 deck, thinking I'll be alright. Will be weird after 7.75 regardless. I haven't really felt the wheelbite, but seen it on the board, when I've used Thunders. I just have to remember my routine for breaking them in, which if I recall for Thunder, is to just ride them for a few sessions without tightening them, then you're free to do whatever. I am looking forward to the high pop with flip tricks that I seem to gain on Thunder !
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on August 12, 2021, 10:32:08 PM
Random but I just measured my Tensor ATG mags and the two sets I own extend WB by different amounts. The set of 5.25s I have extend by roughly +2.9 while the 5.5s extend by roughly +3.13. Anyone else notice this?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on August 12, 2021, 10:50:45 PM
Quote from: FatGuy92 on August 12, 2021, 10:32:08 PM
Random but I just measured my Tensor ATG mags and the two sets I own extend WB by different amounts. The set of 5.25s I have extend by roughly +2.9 while the 5.5s extend by roughly +3.13. Anyone else notice this?

If one set is skated and the other is new there could be some variance depending on how compressed the bushings/pivot cup are etc.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on August 12, 2021, 11:07:32 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on August 12, 2021, 10:50:45 PM
Quote from: FatGuy92 on August 12, 2021, 10:32:08 PM
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Random but I just measured my Tensor ATG mags and the two sets I own extend WB by different amounts. The set of 5.25s I have extend by roughly +2.9 while the 5.5s extend by roughly +3.13. Anyone else notice this?
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If one set is skated and the other is new there could be some variance depending on how compressed the bushings/pivot cup are etc.

Interesting! I didn't know it would amount to that much of a difference. Yes, the 5.5s are well worn so that would make sense. Thanks for clarifying!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on August 12, 2021, 11:25:10 PM
Quote from: FatGuy92 on August 12, 2021, 11:07:32 PM
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Quote from: FatGuy92 on August 12, 2021, 10:32:08 PM
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Random but I just measured my Tensor ATG mags and the two sets I own extend WB by different amounts. The set of 5.25s I have extend by roughly +2.9 while the 5.5s extend by roughly +3.13. Anyone else notice this?
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If one set is skated and the other is new there could be some variance depending on how compressed the bushings/pivot cup are etc.
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Interesting! I didn't know it would amount to that much of a difference. Yes, the 5.5s are well worn so that would make sense. Thanks for clarifying!

I mean you might be onto something still. Idk I've not had 5.5 and 5.25 atgs, but comparing wb extension of brand new trucks vs heavily skated ones is definitely not a super fair comparison. I've had my front truck axle placement sit slightly different to my back truck on the same set of ventures on the same board just due to how they wear in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LE_rik on August 13, 2021, 01:14:44 AM
I'm on standard 149 Indies on 8.25-8.5 boards the last years never questioned the trucks, (finally just switched back from bones to 94a indie bushings for more stability). BUT, I made a change to heavier 56mm wheels lately and had problems adapting to the weight of my setup and switched back to the worn down 50mm wheels (now awaiting 52 OG classics). All in all the old wheels were 100g difference which I feel with better pop and flipabaility.

Question: anyone made the switch from standard to forged Titanium indies (which are almost 150g difference??) And made a huge step towards more pop and quickness of the setup? Is it just in my head tricking me? I  got the idea of a stable but light 8.5 setup in my mind, if that's even possible. Yeah and I have an eye on the light Ventures and Thunders but don't want to change too much at the moment.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on August 14, 2021, 02:33:46 AM
Before I go pull all my stuff apart for no reason:

Has anyone tried Indy hangars (specifically 169) on the Ace AF1 baseplate? I know the classics worked good with Indy hangars to shorten wheelbase, is this still the case with the AF1’s? I’m at peak madness with one of my setups but I don’t want to redrill such a beautiful board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Banging in the Slammer on August 14, 2021, 05:21:52 AM
Quote from: FatGuy92 on August 12, 2021, 11:07:32 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on August 12, 2021, 10:50:45 PM
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Quote from: FatGuy92 on August 12, 2021, 10:32:08 PM
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Random but I just measured my Tensor ATG mags and the two sets I own extend WB by different amounts. The set of 5.25s I have extend by roughly +2.9 while the 5.5s extend by roughly +3.13. Anyone else notice this?
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If one set is skated and the other is new there could be some variance depending on how compressed the bushings/pivot cup are etc.
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Interesting! I didn't know it would amount to that much of a difference. Yes, the 5.5s are well worn so that would make sense. Thanks for clarifying!

They keep tweaking the design. I’ve bought three sets of ATGs so far. On the previous page Xen posted a picture of his ATG baseplates which are magnesium. Tensor has since switched to only using magnesium in the hanger and having aluminum baseplates. The bushings are also a different duro between “releases”


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on August 14, 2021, 11:32:06 PM
Quote from: Banging in the Slammer on August 14, 2021, 05:21:52 AM
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Quote from: tzhangdox on August 12, 2021, 10:50:45 PM
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Quote from: FatGuy92 on August 12, 2021, 10:32:08 PM
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Random but I just measured my Tensor ATG mags and the two sets I own extend WB by different amounts. The set of 5.25s I have extend by roughly +2.9 while the 5.5s extend by roughly +3.13. Anyone else notice this?
[close]

If one set is skated and the other is new there could be some variance depending on how compressed the bushings/pivot cup are etc.
[close]

Interesting! I didn't know it would amount to that much of a difference. Yes, the 5.5s are well worn so that would make sense. Thanks for clarifying!
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They keep tweaking the design. I’ve bought three sets of ATGs so far. On the previous page Xen posted a picture of his ATG baseplates which are magnesium. Tensor has since switched to only using magnesium in the hanger and having aluminum baseplates. The bushings are also a different duro between “releases”

I noticed the bushing thing as well. I didn’t weigh my 5.25s so no clue about the diff baseplates but the bushings were noticeably different than the 5.5s (I still have both stock since I use bones mediums)

Edit: I took apart both trucks and yes, the new set don’t have mag baseplates. Mine aren’t marked as magnesium on the baseplates and weigh about 30g more per baseplate. They’re still super light at under 300g but that would have been nice to know from Tensor’s end. I put the mag baseplates on the 5.25s since I just sized down and those will be my main trucks going forward.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on August 16, 2021, 07:25:25 AM
Has anybody heard anything about thunder (and venture I guess) ever making titanium trucks again? It's been more than a year now and my titanium 148 are spooky close to the axle. Could covid really fuck their supplies this badly or did they just stop making them? Indy and even small companies like polster seem to have no problems getting titanium axles.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 16, 2021, 08:42:25 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on August 16, 2021, 07:25:25 AM
Has anybody heard anything about thunder (and venture I guess) ever making titanium trucks again? It's been more than a year now and my titanium 148 are spooky close to the axle. Could covid really fuck their supplies this badly or did they just stop making them? Indy and even small companies like polster seem to have no problems getting titanium axles.

I've been waiting for DLX to drop some Ti thunders (settling on Team hollows for now). For sure supply chain issues but odd that indy have no problem and even something so low rent at polster are shipping ti product. So maybe supply chain and cost? Maybe no one is buying them? I should have kept mine instead of selling them off!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 16, 2021, 08:43:18 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on August 16, 2021, 07:25:25 AM
Has anybody heard anything about thunder (and venture I guess) ever making titanium trucks again? It's been more than a year now and my titanium 148 are spooky close to the axle. Could covid really fuck their supplies this badly or did they just stop making them? Indy and even small companies like polster seem to have no problems getting titanium axles.

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Quote from: FatGuy92 on August 12, 2021, 10:32:08 PM
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Random but I just measured my Tensor ATG mags and the two sets I own extend WB by different amounts. The set of 5.25s I have extend by roughly +2.9 while the 5.5s extend by roughly +3.13. Anyone else notice this?
[close]

If one set is skated and the other is new there could be some variance depending on how compressed the bushings/pivot cup are etc.
[close]

Interesting! I didn't know it would amount to that much of a difference. Yes, the 5.5s are well worn so that would make sense. Thanks for clarifying!
[close]

They keep tweaking the design. I’ve bought three sets of ATGs so far. On the previous page Xen posted a picture of his ATG baseplates which are magnesium. Tensor has since switched to only using magnesium in the hanger and having aluminum baseplates. The bushings are also a different duro between “releases”
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I noticed the bushing thing as well. I didn’t weigh my 5.25s so no clue about the diff baseplates but the bushings were noticeably different than the 5.5s (I still have both stock since I use bones mediums)

Edit: I took apart both trucks and yes, the new set don’t have mag baseplates. Mine aren’t marked as magnesium on the baseplates and weigh about 30g more per baseplate. They’re still super light at under 300g but that would have been nice to know from Tensor’s end. I put the mag baseplates on the 5.25s since I just sized down and those will be my main trucks going forward.

Curious, what is different about the bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on August 16, 2021, 09:22:26 AM
Quote from: Xen on August 16, 2021, 08:42:25 AM
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Has anybody heard anything about thunder (and venture I guess) ever making titanium trucks again? It's been more than a year now and my titanium 148 are spooky close to the axle. Could covid really fuck their supplies this badly or did they just stop making them? Indy and even small companies like polster seem to have no problems getting titanium axles.
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I've been waiting for DLX to drop some Ti thunders (settling on Team hollows for now). For sure supply chain issues but odd that indy have no problem and even something so low rent at polster are shipping ti product. So maybe supply chain and cost? Maybe no one is buying them? I should have kept mine instead of selling them off!

If it's any consolation I'm riding them right now, and loving them, so thank you.

My guess is the price of US Titanium or manufacturing trucks in US is prohibiting Venture and Thunder (USA made trucks) from being massed produced. Indy and Theeve produce their Titanium trucks in China and can continue doing so.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on August 16, 2021, 09:52:49 AM
Quote from: Xen on August 16, 2021, 08:43:18 AM
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Has anybody heard anything about thunder (and venture I guess) ever making titanium trucks again? It's been more than a year now and my titanium 148 are spooky close to the axle. Could covid really fuck their supplies this badly or did they just stop making them? Indy and even small companies like polster seem to have no problems getting titanium axles.
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Random but I just measured my Tensor ATG mags and the two sets I own extend WB by different amounts. The set of 5.25s I have extend by roughly +2.9 while the 5.5s extend by roughly +3.13. Anyone else notice this?
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If one set is skated and the other is new there could be some variance depending on how compressed the bushings/pivot cup are etc.
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Interesting! I didn't know it would amount to that much of a difference. Yes, the 5.5s are well worn so that would make sense. Thanks for clarifying!
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They keep tweaking the design. I’ve bought three sets of ATGs so far. On the previous page Xen posted a picture of his ATG baseplates which are magnesium. Tensor has since switched to only using magnesium in the hanger and having aluminum baseplates. The bushings are also a different duro between “releases”
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I noticed the bushing thing as well. I didn’t weigh my 5.25s so no clue about the diff baseplates but the bushings were noticeably different than the 5.5s (I still have both stock since I use bones mediums)

Edit: I took apart both trucks and yes, the new set don’t have mag baseplates. Mine aren’t marked as magnesium on the baseplates and weigh about 30g more per baseplate. They’re still super light at under 300g but that would have been nice to know from Tensor’s end. I put the mag baseplates on the 5.25s since I just sized down and those will be my main trucks going forward.
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Curious, what is different about the bushings?

The ones that came stock with the 5.5s were super stiff and took awhile to break in. I ended up switching to bones mediums because of this. The stock bushings in the 5.25s felt like bones soft bushings even after spending an hour breaking them in.

I’ve had this same issue with thunders. A set of 151 hollow lights had the hardest feeling bushing.. could not get them to turn. I was gifted a set of 148 hollow lights recently that felt completely different (stock). Same red color bushings in both
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on August 16, 2021, 12:21:21 PM
Another random truck question: Why do different truck styles (cast/forged/hollow/titanium) by the same company have a different wheelbase at all? Are they intentionally changing it to a specific amount? Is it just coincidence and they don't care as long as the difference isn't huge?
The weirdest thing to me is that it seems to go in the wrong direction. As an example, dlx trucks extend the wheelbase further on the forged/hollow types. Wouldn't you shorten the wheelbase to make them feel even lighter when the target group is people wanting light trucks?
I need answers please
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Fhk on August 16, 2021, 12:32:52 PM
Quote from: goodatmeth on August 16, 2021, 12:21:21 PM
Another random truck question: Why do different truck styles (cast/forged/hollow/titanium) by the same company have a different wheelbase at all? Are they intentionally changing it to a specific amount? Is it just coincidence and they don't care as long as the difference isn't huge?
The weirdest thing to me is that it seems to go in the wrong direction. As an example, dlx trucks extend the wheelbase further on the forged/hollow types. Wouldn't you shorten the wheelbase to make them feel even lighter when the target group is people wanting light trucks?
I need answers please
I always figured part of it has to do with the typicaly lower baseplate of lights,ti's,etc. But there's a better chance that I am wrong.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 16, 2021, 12:48:17 PM
Quote from: goodatmeth on August 16, 2021, 12:21:21 PM
Another random truck question: Why do different truck styles (cast/forged/hollow/titanium) by the same company have a different wheelbase at all? Are they intentionally changing it to a specific amount? Is it just coincidence and they don't care as long as the difference isn't huge?
The weirdest thing to me is that it seems to go in the wrong direction. As an example, dlx trucks extend the wheelbase further on the forged/hollow types. Wouldn't you shorten the wheelbase to make them feel even lighter when the target group is people wanting light trucks?
I need answers please

Just guessing: pushing out the WB (or rather shortening the nose and tails) offsets the lower height in order to keep the pop feel consistent between the forged and cast plates.

Pushing them in would make them feel lighter, but I think the interest is in preserving product consistency over making something that feels too different (aside from the lighter weight).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: brownjenkin on August 16, 2021, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on August 16, 2021, 12:48:17 PM
Quote from: goodatmeth on August 16, 2021, 12:21:21 PM
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Another random truck question: Why do different truck styles (cast/forged/hollow/titanium) by the same company have a different wheelbase at all? Are they intentionally changing it to a specific amount? Is it just coincidence and they don't care as long as the difference isn't huge?
The weirdest thing to me is that it seems to go in the wrong direction. As an example, dlx trucks extend the wheelbase further on the forged/hollow types. Wouldn't you shorten the wheelbase to make them feel even lighter when the target group is people wanting light trucks?
I need answers please
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Just guessing: pushing out the WB (or rather shortening the nose and tails) offsets the lower height in order to keep the pop feel consistent between the forged and cast plates.

Pushing them in would make them feel lighter, but I think the interest is in preserving product consistency over making something that feels too different (aside from the lighter weight).

This is what I think as well.

Although I wish this wasn't the case. A forged, hollow 5.6 Venture with the mounting holes drilled in the cast position is probably my dream truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on August 16, 2021, 12:52:49 PM
Quote from: FrozenIndustries on August 16, 2021, 12:48:17 PM
Quote from: goodatmeth on August 16, 2021, 12:21:21 PM
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Another random truck question: Why do different truck styles (cast/forged/hollow/titanium) by the same company have a different wheelbase at all? Are they intentionally changing it to a specific amount? Is it just coincidence and they don't care as long as the difference isn't huge?
The weirdest thing to me is that it seems to go in the wrong direction. As an example, dlx trucks extend the wheelbase further on the forged/hollow types. Wouldn't you shorten the wheelbase to make them feel even lighter when the target group is people wanting light trucks?
I need answers please
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Just guessing: pushing out the WB (or rather shortening the nose and tails) offsets the lower height in order to keep the pop feel consistent between the forged and cast plates.

Pushing them in would make them feel lighter, but I think the interest is in preserving product consistency over making something that feels too different (aside from the lighter weight).

That's what i thought too, but even same height trucks like the hollow lights and titanium lights have a significant wheelbase difference(Titaniums make a shorter wheelbase, best truck ever. RIP). I'm really curious how/why that happens.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 16, 2021, 01:04:37 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on August 16, 2021, 09:22:26 AM
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Quote from: goodatmeth on August 16, 2021, 07:25:25 AM
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Has anybody heard anything about thunder (and venture I guess) ever making titanium trucks again? It's been more than a year now and my titanium 148 are spooky close to the axle. Could covid really fuck their supplies this badly or did they just stop making them? Indy and even small companies like polster seem to have no problems getting titanium axles.
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I've been waiting for DLX to drop some Ti thunders (settling on Team hollows for now). For sure supply chain issues but odd that indy have no problem and even something so low rent at polster are shipping ti product. So maybe supply chain and cost? Maybe no one is buying them? I should have kept mine instead of selling them off!
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If it's any consolation I'm riding them right now, and loving them, so thank you.

My guess is the price of US Titanium or manufacturing trucks in US is prohibiting Venture and Thunder (USA made trucks) from being massed produced. Indy and Theeve produce their Titanium trucks in China and can continue doing so.

HAH!

If I were them, I'd source the ti from overseas, they already do it with the forged plates...(cast too I think, my plates didn't say USA on them like they used too).

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 16, 2021, 06:12:09 PM
Because they’re lazy.

The height comes down to how precise they want to be with their cast molds and forging post processing. They could just machine they boardside of the cast baseplate down slightly, which pulls the wheelbase out marginally to match the forged plates. Or they could force the baseplate thicker. I frankly think at some point the first company to forge plates used a specific process and then everyone else copied and it hasn’t changed.

It’s clear lots of parts of truck design are an afterthought.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Landmine on August 18, 2021, 10:03:22 AM
I'm sure this has been covered in the last 350 pages, but what bushings are you People Of Size running?  I tried my Indy's with the stock bushings and they split in 30 minutes, so I threw in some Bones mediums that were in my bag.  My other board has Bones hard and I really like em, but I'm trying to get used to riding looser trucks.  I'm guessing Indy bushings are worth trying?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on August 18, 2021, 10:23:07 AM
Quote from: Landmine on August 18, 2021, 10:03:22 AM
I'm sure this has been covered in the last 350 pages, but what bushings are you People Of Size running?  I tried my Indy's with the stock bushings and they split in 30 minutes, so I threw in some Bones mediums that were in my bag.  My other board has Bones hard and I really like em, but I'm trying to get used to riding looser trucks.  I'm guessing Indy bushings are worth trying?

Recently tried the blue cylinder Indy bushings and they are really good. Bit too soft for me though, so I put Bones Hard on top. Now it’s too hard with nut flush, and squeaking like crazy. Might go back to all blue and learn to deal with looser trucks like you intend to.

(https://i.ibb.co/PCykx5q/95-C442-F8-D04-D-4-BCA-93-CA-A7-A9-D271-AD3-D.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Landmine on August 18, 2021, 12:11:10 PM
Quote from: listentoaheartbeat on August 18, 2021, 10:23:07 AM
Quote from: Landmine on August 18, 2021, 10:03:22 AM
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I'm sure this has been covered in the last 350 pages, but what bushings are you People Of Size running?  I tried my Indy's with the stock bushings and they split in 30 minutes, so I threw in some Bones mediums that were in my bag.  My other board has Bones hard and I really like em, but I'm trying to get used to riding looser trucks.  I'm guessing Indy bushings are worth trying?
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Recently tried the blue cylinder Indy bushings and they are really good. Bit too soft for me though, so I put Bones Hard on top. Now it’s too hard with nut flush, and squeaking like crazy. Might go back to all blue and learn to deal with looser trucks like you intend to.

(https://i.ibb.co/PCykx5q/95-C442-F8-D04-D-4-BCA-93-CA-A7-A9-D271-AD3-D.jpg)

This is what I'm doing on my Ace trucks, Bones on top and stock bottom.  Seems to work really well for me.  If I can't dial in these Indy's for my cultivated mass I may switch to all Ace
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on August 18, 2021, 12:21:44 PM
Quote from: Landmine on August 18, 2021, 12:11:10 PM
Quote from: listentoaheartbeat on August 18, 2021, 10:23:07 AM
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Quote from: Landmine on August 18, 2021, 10:03:22 AM
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I'm sure this has been covered in the last 350 pages, but what bushings are you People Of Size running?  I tried my Indy's with the stock bushings and they split in 30 minutes, so I threw in some Bones mediums that were in my bag.  My other board has Bones hard and I really like em, but I'm trying to get used to riding looser trucks.  I'm guessing Indy bushings are worth trying?
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Recently tried the blue cylinder Indy bushings and they are really good. Bit too soft for me though, so I put Bones Hard on top. Now it’s too hard with nut flush, and squeaking like crazy. Might go back to all blue and learn to deal with looser trucks like you intend to.

(https://i.ibb.co/PCykx5q/95-C442-F8-D04-D-4-BCA-93-CA-A7-A9-D271-AD3-D.jpg)
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This is what I'm doing on my Ace trucks, Bones on top and stock bottom.  Seems to work really well for me.  If I can't dial in these Indy's for my cultivated mass I may switch to all Ace

Everyone seems to be switching to Ace but I've just committed myself so 169s again by buying Titaniums recently. I like the tight turn, but cannot have the trucks to loose due to weight and huge feet (more leverage on the side of the board, it's real). I'll give this setup a few more sessions, if it doesn't break in a bit more back to the drawing board. Also need to address the squeaking, it's driving me mad. Tried tons of shit as suggested in this thread.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Jeffrey on August 18, 2021, 03:23:11 PM
Uh, dumb question.

When we say top and bottom, what orientation are the trucks in? Riding orientation, or upside down? Aka is it the top bushing as you ride or as you wrench on it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on August 18, 2021, 03:31:12 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jeffrey on August 18, 2021, 03:23:11 PM
Uh, dumb question.

When we say top and bottom, what orientation are the trucks in? Riding orientation, or upside down? Aka is it the top bushing as you ride or as you wrench on it
top = roadside
bottom = boardside
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: somethingmustbreaknow on August 19, 2021, 12:31:37 AM
Quote from: Uncle Jeffrey on August 18, 2021, 03:23:11 PM
Uh, dumb question.

When we say top and bottom, what orientation are the trucks in? Riding orientation, or upside down? Aka is it the top bushing as you ride or as you wrench on it
i think it's easier if you think about it how you assemble the truck. first you put in the bottom bushing, then put on the hanger, and finally you put in the top bushing, before screwing the nut on the kingpin. (insert washers before bottom bushing and after top bushing as you like)

also to the guy asking about bushings for big guys, i dunno what is considered as big, or if i am already big, but however, with 1.90m / 6.2 ft and 93kg / 205 lbs (hope i converted this correctly lol), i always go for the orange conical after market independent bushings, they're 90A and considered medium. they are soft, and hold up very well, never had issues with them at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on August 19, 2021, 06:03:16 AM
Quote from: listentoaheartbeat on August 18, 2021, 10:23:07 AM
Quote from: Landmine on August 18, 2021, 10:03:22 AM
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I'm sure this has been covered in the last 350 pages, but what bushings are you People Of Size running?  I tried my Indy's with the stock bushings and they split in 30 minutes, so I threw in some Bones mediums that were in my bag.  My other board has Bones hard and I really like em, but I'm trying to get used to riding looser trucks.  I'm guessing Indy bushings are worth trying?
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Recently tried the blue cylinder Indy bushings and they are really good. Bit too soft for me though, so I put Bones Hard on top. Now it’s too hard with nut flush, and squeaking like crazy. Might go back to all blue and learn to deal with looser trucks like you intend to.

(https://i.ibb.co/PCykx5q/95-C442-F8-D04-D-4-BCA-93-CA-A7-A9-D271-AD3-D.jpg)

So when you guys rub different duro bushings for top and bottom what dictates which side is harder and which is softer?

I broke out my old Indy TIs after skating ace classics then af1s. I just couldn’t never get the pinch on Aces I wanted. When I did it felt like I just got lucky and not did it because I meant too. Anyway ace felt stable for me and my flip tricks felt good but had no pinch. Now I’m on Indy ti. Legs feel good pop good flick sucks pinch getting back. I have Indy yellow bottoms and blue tops. Do I have this backwards
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on August 19, 2021, 06:21:25 AM
Quote from: Murge on August 19, 2021, 06:03:16 AM
Quote from: listentoaheartbeat on August 18, 2021, 10:23:07 AM
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Quote from: Landmine on August 18, 2021, 10:03:22 AM
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I'm sure this has been covered in the last 350 pages, but what bushings are you People Of Size running?  I tried my Indy's with the stock bushings and they split in 30 minutes, so I threw in some Bones mediums that were in my bag.  My other board has Bones hard and I really like em, but I'm trying to get used to riding looser trucks.  I'm guessing Indy bushings are worth trying?
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Recently tried the blue cylinder Indy bushings and they are really good. Bit too soft for me though, so I put Bones Hard on top. Now it’s too hard with nut flush, and squeaking like crazy. Might go back to all blue and learn to deal with looser trucks like you intend to.

(https://i.ibb.co/PCykx5q/95-C442-F8-D04-D-4-BCA-93-CA-A7-A9-D271-AD3-D.jpg)
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So when you guys rub different duro bushings for top and bottom what dictates which side is harder and which is softer?

I broke out my old Indy TIs after skating ace classics then af1s. I just couldn’t never get the pinch on Aces I wanted. When I did it felt like I just got lucky and not did it because I meant too. Anyway ace felt stable for me and my flip tricks felt good but had no pinch. Now I’m on Indy ti. Legs feel good pop good flick sucks pinch getting back. I have Indy yellow bottoms and blue tops. Do I have this backwards

Honestly, just went by some recommendations from this thread and also it felt like the right thing to do intuitively. I also remembered someone used a bottom bushing with only washers on top that would lock before wheelbite. Thought the mellower version of this would be a hard top bushing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on August 19, 2021, 03:14:30 PM
I think a harder top bushing makes the truck get easier back to center after you turn. Plus a bit more stability.
The same turning from the stock bottom bushing, but less squirrely due to the harder top bushing.

Hope that makes sense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 19, 2021, 06:05:00 PM
DLX makes bushings that fit Indy up to 100A. Getting Ace’s will only make your looseness problem worse.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 20, 2021, 06:02:10 AM
Anyone know if Indy Stage 10 & Stage 11 baseplates are the same or not? IIRC when Stage 11 launched all of the upgrades were to the hangars but I am not 100% sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roger__Kook on August 20, 2021, 07:14:42 AM
Quote from: Macho Taildrop on August 20, 2021, 06:02:10 AM
Anyone know if Indy Stage 10 & Stage 11 baseplates are the same or not? IIRC when Stage 11 launched all of the upgrades were to the hangars but I am not 100% sure.
Pretty sure the kingpin angle is different. Stage 10 baseplates are just filled in stage 9s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 20, 2021, 08:45:02 AM
There was a Stage 10 MkII that might be the same as a Stage 11. They also put out the 159 Stage 10s just before Stage 11 came out and they were the same. Confusing as shift.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LewFarrell on August 20, 2021, 09:00:01 AM
Following up on the Tensor MagLight baseplate discrepancies - Never got a reply back on IG so I decided to email them. Below is the email thread. Not entirely sure what to make of it, I guess they are putting the wrong baseplate on at the factory regularly? It can't be a mixup at the skateshop.

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LewFarrell <[email protected]>
Aug 12, 2021, 10:07 PM (8 days ago)
to Highline Distribution (Support)

Hey Tensor fam, I have a question about the MagLight trucks and hoping you can clarify.

Some of the baseplates say Magnesium on the bottom and are lighter (weigh around 75g with kingpin) and some don't say Magnesium and weigh around 100g with the kingpin. Both are MagLight trucks.

Are these new vs old models or concurrent different models?

I tried reaching out on Instagram a few times but had no luck in getting a response. Would appreciate your help.

Thank you so much.

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Highline Distribution (Support) <[email protected]>
Aug 13, 2021, 8:16 MST
to Lew

Hi,

If they do not say Mag or Magnesium on them, then they are not mag lights trucks. They are the aluminum alloy trucks.

Let us know if you have any other questions.
Highline Distribution

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LewFarrell <[email protected]>
Fri, Aug 13, 9:01 PM (7 days ago)
to Highline Distribution (Support)

Hi - I think I can clarify further.

As I mentioned in my original email both sets of trucks are indeed labeled MagLight. They are certainly not aluminum alloy trucks.

I'm asking specifically about the "Magnesium" labeling on the bottom of the baseplate. One set of MagLights has this labeling on the baseplate and is about 1/4 (25g) lighter than the baseplate from other set of trucks also labeled MagLight.

I have uploaded pictures of both sets of MagLights to imgur to better illustrate my question.
Baseplate 1: https://imgur.com/gallery/pbUzrMf (https://imgur.com/gallery/pbUzrMf)
Baseplate 2: https://imgur.com/gallery/G9Bll7s (https://imgur.com/gallery/G9Bll7s)

Again my question is - Are these new vs old models or concurrent different models? If old/new, which ones are the current model you are selling?

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LewFarrell <[email protected]>
10:29 AM (1 hour ago)
to Highline Distribution (Support)

Hi - just wanted to follow up on this question.
Thanks for your time

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Highline Distribution (Support) <[email protected]>
Aug 20, 2021, 8:14 MST
to Lew

Hi Lew,

All of our mag light's will have the magnesium stamp on them. From the photo and the weight descriptions, it sounds like it might have been a simple mix up either at the factory or at a skate shop.

We hope that answers your question!

Have a great day!
Highline Distribution
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 20, 2021, 10:39:36 AM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on August 20, 2021, 08:45:02 AM
There was a Stage 10 MkII that might be the same as a Stage 11. They also put out the 159 Stage 10s just before Stage 11 came out and they were the same. Confusing as shift.
Quote from: Roger__Kook on August 20, 2021, 07:14:42 AM
Quote from: Macho Taildrop on August 20, 2021, 06:02:10 AM
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Anyone know if Indy Stage 10 & Stage 11 baseplates are the same or not? IIRC when Stage 11 launched all of the upgrades were to the hangars but I am not 100% sure.
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Pretty sure the kingpin angle is different. Stage 10 baseplates are just filled in stage 9s.

I see. I just got these and they're 159s. I am going to check the kingpin angle and will report back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on August 20, 2021, 10:42:17 AM
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it sounds like it might have been a simple mix up either at the factory or at a skate shop.

I know two other people who bought Maglight Atgs and we all have aluminum baseplates. Not to mention all the people here saying they received alloy baseplates too. They must be "mixing stuff up" on a large scale.  ::)

Thank you for posting the emails.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on August 20, 2021, 01:38:18 PM
Quote from: LewFarrell on August 20, 2021, 09:00:01 AM
Following up on the Tensor MagLight baseplate discrepancies - Never got a reply back on IG so I decided to email them. Below is the email thread. Not entirely sure what to make of it, I guess they are putting the wrong baseplate on at the factory regularly? It can't be a mixup at the skateshop.

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LewFarrell <[email protected]>
Aug 12, 2021, 10:07 PM (8 days ago)
to Highline Distribution (Support)

Hey Tensor fam, I have a question about the MagLight trucks and hoping you can clarify.

Some of the baseplates say Magnesium on the bottom and are lighter (weigh around 75g with kingpin) and some don't say Magnesium and weigh around 100g with the kingpin. Both are MagLight trucks.

Are these new vs old models or concurrent different models?

I tried reaching out on Instagram a few times but had no luck in getting a response. Would appreciate your help.

Thank you so much.

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Highline Distribution (Support) <[email protected]>
Aug 13, 2021, 8:16 MST
to Lew

Hi,

If they do not say Mag or Magnesium on them, then they are not mag lights trucks. They are the aluminum alloy trucks.

Let us know if you have any other questions.
Highline Distribution

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LewFarrell <[email protected]>
Fri, Aug 13, 9:01 PM (7 days ago)
to Highline Distribution (Support)

Hi - I think I can clarify further.

As I mentioned in my original email both sets of trucks are indeed labeled MagLight. They are certainly not aluminum alloy trucks.

I'm asking specifically about the "Magnesium" labeling on the bottom of the baseplate. One set of MagLights has this labeling on the baseplate and is about 1/4 (25g) lighter than the baseplate from other set of trucks also labeled MagLight.

I have uploaded pictures of both sets of MagLights to imgur to better illustrate my question.
Baseplate 1: https://imgur.com/gallery/pbUzrMf (https://imgur.com/gallery/pbUzrMf)
Baseplate 2: https://imgur.com/gallery/G9Bll7s (https://imgur.com/gallery/G9Bll7s)

Again my question is - Are these new vs old models or concurrent different models? If old/new, which ones are the current model you are selling?

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LewFarrell <[email protected]>
10:29 AM (1 hour ago)
to Highline Distribution (Support)

Hi - just wanted to follow up on this question.
Thanks for your time

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Highline Distribution (Support) <[email protected]>
Aug 20, 2021, 8:14 MST
to Lew

Hi Lew,

All of our mag light's will have the magnesium stamp on them. From the photo and the weight descriptions, it sounds like it might have been a simple mix up either at the factory or at a skate shop.

We hope that answers your question!

Have a great day!
Highline Distribution

I emailed thankyousupply and never got a response. If it’s a factory mistake, they must have fucked up on an entire run of these
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 20, 2021, 04:26:39 PM
Quote from: FatGuy92 on August 20, 2021, 01:38:18 PM
Quote from: LewFarrell on August 20, 2021, 09:00:01 AM
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Following up on the Tensor MagLight baseplate discrepancies - Never got a reply back on IG so I decided to email them. Below is the email thread. Not entirely sure what to make of it, I guess they are putting the wrong baseplate on at the factory regularly? It can't be a mixup at the skateshop.

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LewFarrell <lew@lew.com>
Aug 12, 2021, 10:07 PM (8 days ago)
to Highline Distribution (Support)

Hey Tensor fam, I have a question about the MagLight trucks and hoping you can clarify.

Some of the baseplates say Magnesium on the bottom and are lighter (weigh around 75g with kingpin) and some don't say Magnesium and weigh around 100g with the kingpin. Both are MagLight trucks.

Are these new vs old models or concurrent different models?

I tried reaching out on Instagram a few times but had no luck in getting a response. Would appreciate your help.

Thank you so much.

-------------------------------------------------

Highline Distribution (Support) <[email protected]>
Aug 13, 2021, 8:16 MST
to Lew

Hi,

If they do not say Mag or Magnesium on them, then they are not mag lights trucks. They are the aluminum alloy trucks.

Let us know if you have any other questions.
Highline Distribution

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LewFarrell <lew@lew.com>
Fri, Aug 13, 9:01 PM (7 days ago)
to Highline Distribution (Support)

Hi - I think I can clarify further.

As I mentioned in my original email both sets of trucks are indeed labeled MagLight. They are certainly not aluminum alloy trucks.

I'm asking specifically about the "Magnesium" labeling on the bottom of the baseplate. One set of MagLights has this labeling on the baseplate and is about 1/4 (25g) lighter than the baseplate from other set of trucks also labeled MagLight.

I have uploaded pictures of both sets of MagLights to imgur to better illustrate my question.
Baseplate 1: https://imgur.com/gallery/pbUzrMf (https://imgur.com/gallery/pbUzrMf)
Baseplate 2: https://imgur.com/gallery/G9Bll7s (https://imgur.com/gallery/G9Bll7s)

Again my question is - Are these new vs old models or concurrent different models? If old/new, which ones are the current model you are selling?

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LewFarrell <lew@lew.com>
10:29 AM (1 hour ago)
to Highline Distribution (Support)

Hi - just wanted to follow up on this question.
Thanks for your time

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Highline Distribution (Support) <[email protected]>
Aug 20, 2021, 8:14 MST
to Lew

Hi Lew,

All of our mag light's will have the magnesium stamp on them. From the photo and the weight descriptions, it sounds like it might have been a simple mix up either at the factory or at a skate shop.

We hope that answers your question!

Have a great day!
Highline Distribution
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I emailed thankyousupply and never got a response. If it’s a factory mistake, they must have fucked up on an entire run of these

Somebody definitely fucked up! The only common denominator I can find is the fluorescent colorways are all fucked, so likely anything from that drop (which doesn't help as they have the standard 'grey/raw' that are also fucked from that run.

Easy to check in shop but harder online unless you use reputable places that will actually check/and or let you return.

What's lame is he didn't even offer replacements or compensation for something you paid for and didn't get? That's a bit fucked up :\
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on August 20, 2021, 07:52:57 PM
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Following up on the Tensor MagLight baseplate discrepancies - Never got a reply back on IG so I decided to email them. Below is the email thread. Not entirely sure what to make of it, I guess they are putting the wrong baseplate on at the factory regularly? It can't be a mixup at the skateshop.

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LewFarrell <lew@lew.com>
Aug 12, 2021, 10:07 PM (8 days ago)
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Hey Tensor fam, I have a question about the MagLight trucks and hoping you can clarify.

Some of the baseplates say Magnesium on the bottom and are lighter (weigh around 75g with kingpin) and some don't say Magnesium and weigh around 100g with the kingpin. Both are MagLight trucks.

Are these new vs old models or concurrent different models?

I tried reaching out on Instagram a few times but had no luck in getting a response. Would appreciate your help.

Thank you so much.

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Highline Distribution (Support) <[email protected]>
Aug 13, 2021, 8:16 MST
to Lew

Hi,

If they do not say Mag or Magnesium on them, then they are not mag lights trucks. They are the aluminum alloy trucks.

Let us know if you have any other questions.
Highline Distribution

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LewFarrell <lew@lew.com>
Fri, Aug 13, 9:01 PM (7 days ago)
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Hi - I think I can clarify further.

As I mentioned in my original email both sets of trucks are indeed labeled MagLight. They are certainly not aluminum alloy trucks.

I'm asking specifically about the "Magnesium" labeling on the bottom of the baseplate. One set of MagLights has this labeling on the baseplate and is about 1/4 (25g) lighter than the baseplate from other set of trucks also labeled MagLight.

I have uploaded pictures of both sets of MagLights to imgur to better illustrate my question.
Baseplate 1: https://imgur.com/gallery/pbUzrMf (https://imgur.com/gallery/pbUzrMf)
Baseplate 2: https://imgur.com/gallery/G9Bll7s (https://imgur.com/gallery/G9Bll7s)

Again my question is - Are these new vs old models or concurrent different models? If old/new, which ones are the current model you are selling?

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LewFarrell <lew@lew.com>
10:29 AM (1 hour ago)
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Hi - just wanted to follow up on this question.
Thanks for your time

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Highline Distribution (Support) <[email protected]>
Aug 20, 2021, 8:14 MST
to Lew

Hi Lew,

All of our mag light's will have the magnesium stamp on them. From the photo and the weight descriptions, it sounds like it might have been a simple mix up either at the factory or at a skate shop.

We hope that answers your question!

Have a great day!
Highline Distribution
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I emailed thankyousupply and never got a response. If it’s a factory mistake, they must have fucked up on an entire run of these
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Somebody definitely fucked up! The only common denominator I can find is the fluorescent colorways are all fucked, so likely anything from that drop (which doesn't help as they have the standard 'grey/raw' that are also fucked from that run.

Easy to check in shop but harder online unless you use reputable places that will actually check/and or let you return.

What's lame is he didn't even offer replacements or compensation for something you paid for and didn't get? That's a bit fucked up :\

It's very disappointing. I get that they're super light and grind buttery but for the price you pay for these things, it's not acceptable for them to not at least offer a return or replacement baseplate. I switched back to thunders and Indys on my setups out of principle. I've emailed both DLX and NHS about product issues and received prompt replies offering replacements. Smh
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: RichardBarkley on August 21, 2021, 12:53:36 AM
Does anyone know what stage indys these are? Thinking of taking off the zipzinger wheels, adding f4s and making it a curb killer

(https://i.ibb.co/wrvzQZS/IMG-20210821-084802.jpg) (https://ibb.co/G3h5MfW)

(https://i.ibb.co/xsG8QL5/IMG-20210821-084808.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YW8TGQj)

(https://i.ibb.co/pdx9qDy/IMG-20210821-084814.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Yh3qg9Z)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on August 21, 2021, 05:59:06 AM
Quote from: RichardBarkley on August 21, 2021, 12:53:36 AM
Does anyone know what stage indys these are? Thinking of taking off the zipzinger wheels, adding f4s and making it a curb killer

(https://i.ibb.co/wrvzQZS/IMG-20210821-084802.jpg) (https://ibb.co/G3h5MfW)

(https://i.ibb.co/xsG8QL5/IMG-20210821-084808.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YW8TGQj)

(https://i.ibb.co/pdx9qDy/IMG-20210821-084814.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Yh3qg9Z)
Look like some old stage 11
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LewFarrell on August 21, 2021, 06:20:56 AM
I followed up with Tensor (Thank You... Highline...?) after their last answer asking them to look into it further as it seems to be a pretty widespread thing and not a one-off situation. This is this response I got. Will post up again when I hear back.

Also strangely enough I randomly came across a guy on Facebook post his MagLights this morning which are also labeled MagLight with no Magnesium stamping on the baseplate. He got them directly from Thank You Supply. Here's a gallery on Imgur: http://imgur.com/gallery/8gyn2Ef (http://imgur.com/gallery/8gyn2Ef)

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Highline Distribution (Support) <[email protected])
Aug 20, 2021, 13:46 MST
to Lew

Hey Lew,

Thanks for bring that to our attention. We are separate from the production and design team, so we have reached out to them to provide you with a more specific answer. They will be returning on Monday and will get back to us asap. Once we get a response from them, we will forward it to you.

Let us know if you have any other questions in the meantime.
Highline Distribution
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on August 25, 2021, 09:08:36 AM
anyone ever size down on trucks and find that they sat on ledges/coping better? or is it pretty accepted that larger trucks = more stable, period? having trouble on backside crooks / 5050s. its probably all technique related, but just curious to hear opinions. i like an 8.6 deck so its either hot rod or magic carpet a little.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on August 25, 2021, 09:35:19 AM
Quote from: sketchyrider on August 25, 2021, 09:08:36 AM
anyone ever size down on trucks and find that they sat on ledges/coping better? or is it pretty accepted that larger trucks = more stable, period? having trouble on backside crooks / 5050s. its probably all technique related, but just curious to hear opinions. i like an 8.6 deck so its either hot rod or magic carpet a little.

I like a narrower truck for coping. I find it much easier to get locked in on top with my 144s than I ever did when I was still trying to make 159s work for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: switchfrontshuv on August 25, 2021, 10:33:02 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on August 25, 2021, 09:35:19 AM
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anyone ever size down on trucks and find that they sat on ledges/coping better? or is it pretty accepted that larger trucks = more stable, period? having trouble on backside crooks / 5050s. its probably all technique related, but just curious to hear opinions. i like an 8.6 deck so its either hot rod or magic carpet a little.
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I like a narrower truck for coping. I find it much easier to get locked in on top with my 144s than I ever did when I was still trying to make 159s work for me.

It really depends (in my experience) what trick you're doing and what you're doing it on. For example it was pretty doable for me to lock into a bs 180 nosegrind for the first time with wide trucks since they kinda let me get more clearance to land on any part of the truck and pinch it via weight distribution to my heel. With something like a 5050 though I feel that it really does make my board feel more clunky and strangely hard to pop up bigger ledges along with the amount of grind space causing me to slip out of a proper lock in occasionally. For crooks I really dont find a difference in popping out or holding the grind other than it's simply harder to lock in on a smaller truck for me (really gotta aim that ledge-facing half of the truck onto the edge of the ledge)

I love the feel of a nice long bs or fs 5050 on a tall ledge with 139 Indys on 8.1-8.25 deck. Idk must be the soft metal and the pinching side of the truck being closer to the centre of the board that just lets me lock in and sit on it really well (cant say the same about crooks at all)

ALSO a tip for bs 5050: when you pop onto the ledge and kinda shifty to be parallel to the coping, aim the middle of your trucks to the ledge but keep weight on your toes so even if you land fucked you can still hold the grind. Gambling on over-popping onto the ledge can be deadly on the wrong hubbas
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: topfrog10 on August 26, 2021, 11:32:00 AM
I have been skating venture hollow 5.8s for like... 8 months now and after liking them a lot more than my Indy hollow 149s at first in terms of stability, i am starting to feel meh about them after skating a lot of rougher curbs because im starting to feel like they're grinding worse even though im getting better at grinding overall. i mainly skate mini ramps, bowls, and curbs... i felt like the hollows were nice because of how light they were but that is also because my pop isnt very high. are these ventures not the way to go at this point? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on August 26, 2021, 01:47:38 PM
Quote from: topfrog10 on August 26, 2021, 11:32:00 AM
I have been skating venture hollow 5.8s for like... 8 months now and after liking them a lot more than my Indy hollow 149s at first in terms of stability, i am starting to feel meh about them after skating a lot of rougher curbs because im starting to feel like they're grinding worse even though im getting better at grinding overall. i mainly skate mini ramps, bowls, and curbs... i felt like the hollows were nice because of how light they were but that is also because my pop isnt very high. are these ventures not the way to go at this point?
use the added stability to go faster
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 26, 2021, 10:49:27 PM
I got 5.6's coming from thunder 148's....they don't grind as well....The turn is clunkier....what makes up for it is I can afford to skate them looser with no wheelbite which is fun.

The pivot cups seem shittier than most trucks so I'm putting in an old set of riptides, ,think it'll work well.

Skating regular I don't notice the pop so much but nollie and switch I see some difference for sure. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on September 01, 2021, 01:56:01 PM
Anybody ever have the JB Weld and nut fall clean out before?

(https://i.imgur.com/MO8unvg.jpg)

I was swapping stuff out and this happened. My punishment and comeuppance for declaring that I like one brand of truck that I skate more than the other? It fits snug in the hole so it is still usable, but I was surprised by it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on September 01, 2021, 07:43:53 PM
Quote from: Macho Taildrop on September 01, 2021, 01:56:01 PM
Anybody ever have the JB Weld and nut fall clean out before?

(https://i.imgur.com/MO8unvg.jpg)

I was swapping stuff out and this happened. My punishment and comeuppance for declaring that I like one brand of truck that I skate more than the other? It fits snug in the hole so it is still usable, but I was surprised by it.

I had the same thing happen. I didn’t properly prep the surface before epoxying. Acetone is good to clean the oils and grease off, also roughing the area up a bit helps. Evidently even residue left by your fingers is enough to significantly weaken the bond.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 01, 2021, 10:09:04 PM
Can’t seem to find it but someone posted a link to Venom street bushings a few pages back.
Has anyone tried these and what are your thoughts?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on September 02, 2021, 08:44:11 AM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on September 01, 2021, 07:43:53 PM
Quote from: Macho Taildrop on September 01, 2021, 01:56:01 PM
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Anybody ever have the JB Weld and nut fall clean out before?

(https://i.imgur.com/MO8unvg.jpg)

I was swapping stuff out and this happened. My punishment and comeuppance for declaring that I like one brand of truck that I skate more than the other? It fits snug in the hole so it is still usable, but I was surprised by it.
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I had the same thing happen. I didn’t properly prep the surface before epoxying. Acetone is good to clean the oils and grease off, also roughing the area up a bit helps. Evidently even residue left by your fingers is enough to significantly weaken the bond.

Yeah, seeing how smooth the cone is it occurred to me that I should have hit it with a file.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 02, 2021, 04:31:55 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on September 01, 2021, 10:09:04 PM
Can’t seem to find it but someone posted a link to Venom street bushings a few pages back.
Has anyone tried these and what are your thoughts?

http://venomskate.com/street-bushings/

Was it in the bushings thread?

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=112631.0


I don't recall riding any, but others have said they are good. 

One thing for sure is a company that makes bushings as a main item, rather than a company that just has generic bushings as part of their overall company profile, would not be able to remain in business if they didn't make a good product.

They might be expensive, but from looking at that site, you definitely have options.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 04, 2021, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on September 02, 2021, 04:31:55 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on September 01, 2021, 10:09:04 PM
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Can’t seem to find it but someone posted a link to Venom street bushings a few pages back.
Has anyone tried these and what are your thoughts?
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http://venomskate.com/street-bushings/

Was it in the bushings thread?

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=112631.0


I don't recall riding any, but others have said they are good. 

One thing for sure is a company that makes bushings as a main item, rather than a company that just has generic bushings as part of their overall company profile, would not be able to remain in business if they didn't make a good product.

They might be expensive, but from looking at that site, you definitely have options.

Went on a limb and ordered the SHR and HPF bushings.
SHR I’m the 91a and HPF in the 90a.

I’ll see how they handle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kevve on September 11, 2021, 06:12:31 AM
Going to try some Bones bushings, my Stock indys at 90a is really loose for me at 82kg/180. Should i go for the hard ones? Also do you prefer flat or cupped washers for a nice surfy turn?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 11, 2021, 06:32:13 AM
Quote from: Kevve on September 11, 2021, 06:12:31 AM
Going to try some Bones bushings, my Stock indys at 90a is really loose for me at 82kg/180. Should i go for the hard ones? Also do you prefer flat or cupped washers for a nice surfy turn?

I might be the last person to say anything good about Bones bushings (far too many split and come apart far too quickly for what should be one of the best quality and higher priced sets of bushings on the market), but the hard ones definitely soften up a lot and are the least likely to split, when compared to the medium or soft options.

Start with what you have already for washers, or if the trucks feel too tight, just run the metal flat one that comes with the Bones bushings to start with and add the others as needed, but I have both top and bottom normal Indy washers on a broken in set of Bones hard on a board I set up just so people can try it out.

You can play mix and match with the flat two and the stock four washers in whatever combo works for you too, which makes things more versatile.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 11, 2021, 11:49:50 AM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on September 04, 2021, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on September 02, 2021, 04:31:55 PM
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Can’t seem to find it but someone posted a link to Venom street bushings a few pages back.
Has anyone tried these and what are your thoughts?
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http://venomskate.com/street-bushings/

Was it in the bushings thread?

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=112631.0


I don't recall riding any, but others have said they are good. 

One thing for sure is a company that makes bushings as a main item, rather than a company that just has generic bushings as part of their overall company profile, would not be able to remain in business if they didn't make a good product.

They might be expensive, but from looking at that site, you definitely have options.
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Went on a limb and ordered the SHR and HPF bushings.
SHR I’m the 91a and HPF in the 90a.

I’ll see how they handle.

Feel weird quoting myself but:
Got the bushings. Got the HPF as a complete set but I got an incomplete set of the SHR. Messaged them a few days ago and haven’t heard back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kevve on September 12, 2021, 07:33:43 AM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on September 11, 2021, 11:49:50 AM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on September 04, 2021, 11:57:33 AM
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Quote from: Mbrimson88 on September 02, 2021, 04:31:55 PM
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Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on September 01, 2021, 10:09:04 PM
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Can’t seem to find it but someone posted a link to Venom street bushings a few pages back.
Has anyone tried these and what are your thoughts?
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http://venomskate.com/street-bushings/

Was it in the bushings thread?

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=112631.0


I don't recall riding any, but others have said they are good. 

One thing for sure is a company that makes bushings as a main item, rather than a company that just has generic bushings as part of their overall company profile, would not be able to remain in business if they didn't make a good product.

They might be expensive, but from looking at that site, you definitely have options.
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Went on a limb and ordered the SHR and HPF bushings.
SHR I’m the 91a and HPF in the 90a.

I’ll see how they handle.
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Feel weird quoting myself but:
Got the bushings. Got the HPF as a complete set but I got an incomplete set of the SHR. Messaged them a few days ago and haven’t heard back.

Im thinking about trying venoms too as they were super nice on my cruiser as a kid. I gotta say best & most carvy bushings i’ve ridden (havent tried bones yet tho)

My only concern/ question is how they performe in the cold.. Anyone know if they freeze up in cold conditions like indys? Cant handle that shit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on September 15, 2021, 11:33:46 AM
question to the truck-nerds who can also measure and/or do mathematics/geometry----

I always loved Indy 149s on 8.25, so would Indy 159s on 8.5 give a similar truck to board ratio/feel?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on September 15, 2021, 12:04:41 PM
Quote from: art hellman on September 15, 2021, 11:33:46 AM
question to the truck-nerds who can also measure and/or do mathematics/geometry----

I always loved Indy 149s on 8.25, so would Indy 159s on 8.5 give a similar truck to board ratio/feel?

Yeah it would be similar, but the axles of the 159s will stick out a little bit more I think, even with only one washer on the insides or each wheel. But it would be a stable ride for sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 15, 2021, 06:20:42 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on September 15, 2021, 12:04:41 PM
Quote from: art hellman on September 15, 2021, 11:33:46 AM
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question to the truck-nerds who can also measure and/or do mathematics/geometry----

I always loved Indy 149s on 8.25, so would Indy 159s on 8.5 give a similar truck to board ratio/feel?
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Yeah it would be similar, but the axles of the 159s will stick out a little bit more I think, even with only one washer on the insides or each wheel. But it would be a stable ride for sure.


Reminds me of the standard Peter Hewitt setup, which is always 159s on 8.38 boards with classic shaped 56 or 58mm wheels, and they don't look like they stick out too far, but I can see where that type of setup would be more of interest to big transition, more so than an all rounder.

Even with three washers on the inside of 149s on my 8.38 boards, any normal width wheel still sits under, with the classic full in bigger sizes just sitting on the edge of the deck, so it would work well enough.

For some the extra width of truck is a bit to get used to on most things, but fairly easy coming from 149s.



https://www.instagram.com/p/CTkxEUJhhtz/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on September 15, 2021, 08:23:50 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on September 15, 2021, 06:20:42 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on September 15, 2021, 12:04:41 PM
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Quote from: art hellman on September 15, 2021, 11:33:46 AM
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question to the truck-nerds who can also measure and/or do mathematics/geometry----

I always loved Indy 149s on 8.25, so would Indy 159s on 8.5 give a similar truck to board ratio/feel?
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Yeah it would be similar, but the axles of the 159s will stick out a little bit more I think, even with only one washer on the insides or each wheel. But it would be a stable ride for sure.
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Reminds me of the standard Peter Hewitt setup, which is always 159s on 8.38 boards with classic shaped 56 or 58mm wheels, and they don't look like they stick out too far, but I can see where that type of setup would be more of interest to big transition, more so than an all rounder.

Even with three washers on the inside of 149s on my 8.38 boards, any normal width wheel still sits under, with the classic full in bigger sizes just sitting on the edge of the deck, so it would work well enough.

For some the extra width of truck is a bit to get used to on most things, but fairly easy coming from 149s.



https://www.instagram.com/p/CTkxEUJhhtz/

Pretty sure the DLX 8.38s are bigger than 8.38. I have an olive eagle setup for curbs now and have tried them with Ace 44s, Indy ti 159s, and Thunder hollow light 151s. Oddly enough, the Thunders feel the best so I’ve been running those and don’t notice any significant hot rodding.

I normally love a 17.375 WB axel to axel so it’s odd to me that I’m digging this absolute boat.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 15, 2021, 10:22:51 PM
Quote from: FatGuy92 on September 15, 2021, 08:23:50 PM

Pretty sure the DLX 8.38s are bigger than 8.38. I have an olive eagle setup for curbs now and have tried them with Ace 44s, Indy ti 159s, and Thunder hollow light 151s. Oddly enough, the Thunders feel the best so I’ve been running those and don’t notice any significant hot rodding.

I normally love a 17.375 WB axel to axel so it’s odd to me that I’m digging this absolute boat.

DLX 8.38 decks do feel bigger and wider than others, most are so very close to 8.5 (and some even are right on or a touch wider) which is why I like them so much for my main board and have a few too many stockpiled now.

Interesting how much difference three washers on the inside makes too, which I wouldn't do if I had wider trucks on this, as they would definitely stick out more, but that setup of yours sounds like a good dose of fun too!



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: In A Jar on September 16, 2021, 05:38:09 AM
Quote from: Kevve on September 12, 2021, 07:33:43 AM
Im thinking about trying venoms too as they were super nice on my cruiser as a kid. I gotta say best & most carvy bushings i’ve ridden (havent tried bones yet tho)

My only concern/ question is how they performe in the cold.. Anyone know if they freeze up in cold conditions like indys? Cant handle that shit.

Venoms hold up to the cold rather well.  I don't have experience with Indy bushings, but compared to Thunder/Venture bushings Venoms are way better in cold weather.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on September 16, 2021, 07:38:26 AM
thanks for the input pals
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on September 16, 2021, 09:39:26 AM
Apologies in advance because I’m sure this has been discussed somewhere in the vastness of this thread but can anyone explain the overall effects of running a truck without a bottom washer? Lower height, shorter wb, more turn/less stability, or nothing actually that noticeable?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on September 16, 2021, 09:47:09 AM
more turn, less stability is the easiest to notice imo. everything else is splitting hairs
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jkadams on September 16, 2021, 10:04:58 AM
Sorry, I'm sure this has already been covered somewhere, but I haven't been able to find it...  My stage 11 Indys (149 and 144) have all had an issue with the hanger sliding sideways relative to the top bushing (i.e., the top bushing gets mashed to the left or right side of the hanger's top bushing seat, with extra metal showing on the opposite side of the bushing seat), and the board then tends to roll to one side.  I have to grab the hanger and twist it to recenter it multiple times during a session.  (I am approx 200 lbs., which is probably a contributing factor.) 

Anyone else have this issue?  Have you found a solution?  (I have tried harder Indy bushings, no dice.)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on September 16, 2021, 12:23:43 PM
Quote from: jkadams on September 16, 2021, 10:04:58 AM
Sorry, I'm sure this has already been covered somewhere, but I haven't been able to find it...  My stage 11 Indys (149 and 144) have all had an issue with the hanger sliding sideways relative to the top bushing (i.e., the top bushing gets mashed to the left or right side of the hanger's top bushing seat, with extra metal showing on the opposite side of the bushing seat), and the board then tends to roll to one side.  I have to grab the hanger and twist it to recenter it multiple times during a session.  (I am approx 200 lbs., which is probably a contributing factor.) 

Anyone else have this issue?  Have you found a solution?  (I have tried harder Indy bushings, no dice.)

I am not 100% sure, but have you checked your pivot cups? When they are destroyed, your hanger can be a bit crooked and turn to one side more. Because 200 lbs isn't that much, hell I am 20 lbs less and never had problems with bushings.

It can also be, that your harder bushings are still a bit too firm and they need to soften up.

Have you tried to run a softer bottom bushing with a harder top bushing?

Hope all that made sense, since English isn't my first language.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jkadams on September 16, 2021, 01:07:53 PM
To clarify, I think the issue is that Indy top bushing seats are sort of oval-shaped instead of round, which might provide some benefit, but also has the side-effect of sometimes letting the hanger end up stuck off-center.  Also, I don't mean that the trucks are leaned (as when turning), I mean that the hanger slides sideways (still perpendicular) so that the top bushing is jammed up against one side of the wider oval bushing seat (not centered). 

My pivot cups are ok.  This issue happens even with brand-new Indys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 16, 2021, 04:28:02 PM
Quote from: jkadams on September 16, 2021, 01:07:53 PM
To clarify, I think the issue is that Indy top bushing seats are sort of oval-shaped instead of round, which might provide some benefit, but also has the side-effect of sometimes letting the hanger end up stuck off-center.  Also, I don't mean that the trucks are leaned (as when turning), I mean that the hanger slides sideways (still perpendicular) so that the top bushing is jammed up against one side of the wider oval bushing seat (not centered). 

My pivot cups are ok.  This issue happens even with brand-new Indys.

Do you always hit curbs or do certain tricks to one side?

I think something like this might be due to constant motion in one direction, eg always doing backside slappies tends to push the trucks hard on an angle and could push the bushings in a certain direction too.


If you mark the bushings, then rotate them a quarter turn, or half turn, does the board still do the same thing?


When you look at the bushings, if they have oval holes rather than round holes where they sit on the kingpin, I think it would definitely be something to do with how you are skating, but I would never rule anything out.

Pics would be really good to see too, as sometimes it is harder to get it right with a mental picture and a lot easier with a physical one.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 19, 2021, 11:35:48 AM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on September 15, 2021, 12:04:41 PM
Quote from: art hellman on September 15, 2021, 11:33:46 AM
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question to the truck-nerds who can also measure and/or do mathematics/geometry----

I always loved Indy 149s on 8.25, so would Indy 159s on 8.5 give a similar truck to board ratio/feel?
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Yeah it would be similar, but the axles of the 159s will stick out a little bit more I think, even with only one washer on the insides or each wheel. But it would be a stable ride for sure.

(159) 8.75" - 8.5 = .25 difference
(149) 8.5" - 8.25 = .25 difference

Uh same difference....Maths
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on September 28, 2021, 08:12:54 AM
Looks like Ace answered the rounded side/sharp side debate.
(https://i.ibb.co/6n7pJRH/4-ECFFE02-E418-4-CC7-AB68-9-B7603087577.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6n7pJRH)


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 28, 2021, 09:53:24 AM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on September 28, 2021, 08:12:54 AM
Looks like Ace answered the rounded side/sharp side debate.
(https://i.ibb.co/6n7pJRH/4-ECFFE02-E418-4-CC7-AB68-9-B7603087577.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6n7pJRH)

*everyone runs and checks their bushings*



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 28, 2021, 05:44:17 PM
Quote from: Xen on September 28, 2021, 09:53:24 AM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on September 28, 2021, 08:12:54 AM
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Looks like Ace answered the rounded side/sharp side debate.
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*everyone runs and checks their bushings*

Ha, yeah I can see a lot of people checking and some even getting out clippers or trimming the edge off bushings just so they fit better and don't have the bulge issues I have seen on some setups.

Those new Indy bushing bottom washers in the aftermarket packs are a lot smaller than the older ones, hence people having bushing blowouts, as per the guy the other day.


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118655.0


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ok boomer on September 29, 2021, 07:14:50 AM
Just survived another bout of truck madness. I need a note on my mirror, so I see it every morning:
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"

Its nice to try other shit out, but I need to just accept it for what it is
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JugeL on September 29, 2021, 07:23:26 AM
Quote from: ok boomer on September 29, 2021, 07:14:50 AM
Just survived another bout of truck madness. I need a note on my mirror, so I see it every morning:
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"

Its nice to try other shit out, but I need to just accept it for what it is
But maybe...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on September 29, 2021, 07:30:39 AM
Quote from: ok boomer on September 29, 2021, 07:14:50 AM
Just survived another bout of truck madness. I need a note on my mirror, so I see it every morning:
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"

Its nice to try other shit out, but I need to just accept it for what it is

Can relate. Would make a solid tatt
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on September 29, 2021, 07:41:56 AM
Quote from: Xen on September 28, 2021, 09:53:24 AM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on September 28, 2021, 08:12:54 AM
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Looks like Ace answered the rounded side/sharp side debate.
(https://i.ibb.co/6n7pJRH/4-ECFFE02-E418-4-CC7-AB68-9-B7603087577.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6n7pJRH)
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*everyone runs and checks their bushings*

Apparently mine came the wrong way around stock

Edit: Actually only one of them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 30, 2021, 10:28:14 AM
Quote from: ok boomer on September 29, 2021, 07:14:50 AM
Just survived another bout of truck madness. I need a note on my mirror, so I see it every morning:
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"

Its nice to try other shit out, but I need to just accept it for what it is

I feel you. I believe deep down inside I'm an indy guy...they're just so fucking heavy, Ti included compared to everything else but ACE ,and these legs need all the help they can get.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on October 01, 2021, 12:07:56 PM
Indy 169’s are about done and I’m having a touch of the madness. Have Thunder 161’s and Ace 66
classics on hand, buuuuut…. Any other 9” trucks I should consider?
 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ok boomer on October 01, 2021, 01:19:01 PM
Quote from: Xen on September 30, 2021, 10:28:14 AM
Quote from: ok boomer on September 29, 2021, 07:14:50 AM
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Just survived another bout of truck madness. I need a note on my mirror, so I see it every morning:
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"

Its nice to try other shit out, but I need to just accept it for what it is
[close]

I feel you. I believe deep down inside I'm an indy guy...they're just so fucking heavy, Ti included compared to everything else but ACE ,and these legs need all the help they can get.

Maybe I need to step out of ye olde standard and get some hollows? I've never tried any Indys but regular. I fear change.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 01, 2021, 08:04:34 PM
Quote from: ok boomer on October 01, 2021, 01:19:01 PM
Quote from: Xen on September 30, 2021, 10:28:14 AM
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Quote from: ok boomer on September 29, 2021, 07:14:50 AM
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Just survived another bout of truck madness. I need a note on my mirror, so I see it every morning:
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"

Its nice to try other shit out, but I need to just accept it for what it is
[close]

I feel you. I believe deep down inside I'm an indy guy...they're just so fucking heavy, Ti included compared to everything else but ACE ,and these legs need all the help they can get.
[close]

Maybe I need to step out of ye olde standard and get some hollows? I've never tried any Indys but regular. I fear change.

If weight isn't an issue for you, doubt it would matter. Ti are a luxury for sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GBLange on October 01, 2021, 09:05:10 PM
Quote from: beandemon on October 01, 2021, 12:07:56 PM
Indy 169’s are about done and I’m having a touch of the madness. Have Thunder 161’s and Ace 66
classics on hand, buuuuut…. Any other 9” trucks I should consider?

Krux K5
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 01, 2021, 09:05:14 PM
Quote from: beandemon on October 01, 2021, 12:07:56 PM
Indy 169’s are about done and I’m having a touch of the madness. Have Thunder 161’s and Ace 66
classics on hand, buuuuut…. Any other 9” trucks I should consider?

I’ve been really digging my AF1 66s. I haven’t wanted to post a review yet until I really broke them in. No issues with pivot cups for me. I replaced the top bushings with krux but kept the stock bottoms. They feel a tad more stable than Classic 55 but still turn unlike any other contemporary trucks. Good shit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on October 01, 2021, 10:46:54 PM
Quote from: Xen on September 30, 2021, 10:28:14 AM
Quote from: ok boomer on September 29, 2021, 07:14:50 AM
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Just survived another bout of truck madness. I need a note on my mirror, so I see it every morning:
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"

Its nice to try other shit out, but I need to just accept it for what it is
[close]

I feel you. I believe deep down inside I'm an indy guy...they're just so fucking heavy, Ti included compared to everything else but ACE ,and these legs need all the help they can get.

I feel you. I love how Ace and Indy feel but my short stubby old legs can’t handle them. Have to run thunders if I want my session to last more than an hour.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 02, 2021, 05:40:15 AM
Thinking of cutting/shaving down my independent bushings. Should I only cut the top one, bottom, both equally?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on October 02, 2021, 06:36:20 AM
Quote from: ok boomer on October 01, 2021, 01:19:01 PM
Quote from: Xen on September 30, 2021, 10:28:14 AM
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Quote from: ok boomer on September 29, 2021, 07:14:50 AM
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Just survived another bout of truck madness. I need a note on my mirror, so I see it every morning:
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"

Its nice to try other shit out, but I need to just accept it for what it is
[close]

I feel you. I believe deep down inside I'm an indy guy...they're just so fucking heavy, Ti included compared to everything else but ACE ,and these legs need all the help they can get.
[close]

Maybe I need to step out of ye olde standard and get some hollows? I've never tried any Indys but regular. I fear change.

I wanted be an ace guy. But I came back to Indy and I’m happy. Hollow or ti indys with the standard baseplate is great my old legs can last now and Indy grind so well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 02, 2021, 06:56:21 AM
Quote from: Murge on October 02, 2021, 06:36:20 AM
Quote from: ok boomer on October 01, 2021, 01:19:01 PM
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Quote from: Xen on September 30, 2021, 10:28:14 AM
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Quote from: ok boomer on September 29, 2021, 07:14:50 AM
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Just survived another bout of truck madness. I need a note on my mirror, so I see it every morning:
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"

Its nice to try other shit out, but I need to just accept it for what it is
[close]

I feel you. I believe deep down inside I'm an indy guy...they're just so fucking heavy, Ti included compared to everything else but ACE ,and these legs need all the help they can get.
[close]

Maybe I need to step out of ye olde standard and get some hollows? I've never tried any Indys but regular. I fear change.
[close]

I wanted be an ace guy. But I came back to Indy and I’m happy. Hollow or ti indys with the standard baseplate is great my old legs can last now and Indy grind so well.

Running some Indy cast hollows ATM and they feel pretty perfect. Glad they're a regular offering. Just ordered some mid hollows and am curious to try them as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaleSr on October 02, 2021, 08:17:56 AM
I love lurking these threads but i have long known
Quote from: ok boomer on September 29, 2021, 07:14:50 AM
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on October 02, 2021, 09:13:40 AM
Set up some AF1s, stock. I had forgotten how weird the Ace turn is to Indys. Indy turns feel like they’re in one fluid motion. I made a sharp turn on Aces and the turn went into overdrive and sharper than I expected.
Interested to see how they break in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on October 02, 2021, 09:28:47 AM
I've been extremely happy with the 169 Titaniums and Indy blue cylinder/barrel bushings for a while now. Nut pretty much flush with one thread barely showing. Love the turn and once broken in the bushings have some serious rebound. The thinner, forged baseplate is so much nicer with 7/8" hardware, too.

Only gripe was bad squeaking from the pivot cups, any treatment would only last for a session or two. Put in some Riptide pivot cups now and they don't squeak, plus I feel the rebound of the truck is even better. Also ordered some Riptide bushings, however the blue Indys are perfect right now so shelving them for now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 02, 2021, 09:53:35 AM
Quote from: RottenToTheCore on October 02, 2021, 05:40:15 AM
Thinking of cutting/shaving down my independent bushings. Should I only cut the top one, bottom, both equally?

Start with shaving bottom side of the top bushing, then go from there; I find taking 1/8-1/4 off the top bushing works great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on October 02, 2021, 12:26:52 PM
Quote from: RottenToTheCore on October 02, 2021, 05:40:15 AM
Thinking of cutting/shaving down my independent bushings. Should I only cut the top one, bottom, both equally?

I personally had bad experiences with a shaved bottom bushing, the geo of the truck felt very different. So I only shave the top bushings like 3mm.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on October 02, 2021, 12:30:23 PM
Quote from: Macho Taildrop on October 02, 2021, 06:56:21 AM
Quote from: Murge on October 02, 2021, 06:36:20 AM
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Quote from: ok boomer on October 01, 2021, 01:19:01 PM
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Quote from: Xen on September 30, 2021, 10:28:14 AM
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Just survived another bout of truck madness. I need a note on my mirror, so I see it every morning:
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"

Its nice to try other shit out, but I need to just accept it for what it is
[close]

I feel you. I believe deep down inside I'm an indy guy...they're just so fucking heavy, Ti included compared to everything else but ACE ,and these legs need all the help they can get.
[close]

Maybe I need to step out of ye olde standard and get some hollows? I've never tried any Indys but regular. I fear change.
[close]

I wanted be an ace guy. But I came back to Indy and I’m happy. Hollow or ti indys with the standard baseplate is great my old legs can last now and Indy grind so well.
[close]

Running some Indy cast hollows ATM and they feel pretty perfect. Glad they're a regular offering. Just ordered some mid hollows and am curious to try them as well.
Where?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 02, 2021, 12:34:14 PM
Quote from: anon on October 02, 2021, 12:30:23 PM
Quote from: Macho Taildrop on October 02, 2021, 06:56:21 AM
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Quote from: Murge on October 02, 2021, 06:36:20 AM
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Just survived another bout of truck madness. I need a note on my mirror, so I see it every morning:
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"

Its nice to try other shit out, but I need to just accept it for what it is
[close]

I feel you. I believe deep down inside I'm an indy guy...they're just so fucking heavy, Ti included compared to everything else but ACE ,and these legs need all the help they can get.
[close]

Maybe I need to step out of ye olde standard and get some hollows? I've never tried any Indys but regular. I fear change.
[close]

I wanted be an ace guy. But I came back to Indy and I’m happy. Hollow or ti indys with the standard baseplate is great my old legs can last now and Indy grind so well.
[close]

Running some Indy cast hollows ATM and they feel pretty perfect. Glad they're a regular offering. Just ordered some mid hollows and am curious to try them as well.
[close]
Where?

SoCal

https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-144mm-Andrew-Reynolds-Hollow-Pro-Mid-Skateboard-Trucks-Silver.html (https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-144mm-Andrew-Reynolds-Hollow-Pro-Mid-Skateboard-Trucks-Silver.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 02, 2021, 01:14:15 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on October 02, 2021, 12:26:52 PM
Quote from: RottenToTheCore on October 02, 2021, 05:40:15 AM
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Thinking of cutting/shaving down my independent bushings. Should I only cut the top one, bottom, both equally?
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I personally had bad experiences with a shaved bottom bushing, the geo of the truck felt very different. So I only shave the top bushings like 3mm.

Agreed, wouldn't touch the bottoms when shaving down bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on October 02, 2021, 04:26:38 PM
Found on Heroin's IG. Not my setup
(https://i.imgur.com/lT8LV9u.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/lT8LV9u.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GBLange on October 02, 2021, 04:46:34 PM
Quote from: DeepSpace9mm on October 02, 2021, 04:26:38 PM
Found on Heroin's IG. Not my setup
(https://i.imgur.com/lT8LV9u.jpg)
 (https://i.imgur.com/lT8LV9u.jpg)

frankentruck & bushing setup
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on October 02, 2021, 04:50:52 PM
Quote from: Macho Taildrop on October 02, 2021, 12:34:14 PM
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Just survived another bout of truck madness. I need a note on my mirror, so I see it every morning:
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"

Its nice to try other shit out, but I need to just accept it for what it is
[close]

I feel you. I believe deep down inside I'm an indy guy...they're just so fucking heavy, Ti included compared to everything else but ACE ,and these legs need all the help they can get.
[close]

Maybe I need to step out of ye olde standard and get some hollows? I've never tried any Indys but regular. I fear change.
[close]

I wanted be an ace guy. But I came back to Indy and I’m happy. Hollow or ti indys with the standard baseplate is great my old legs can last now and Indy grind so well.
[close]

Running some Indy cast hollows ATM and they feel pretty perfect. Glad they're a regular offering. Just ordered some mid hollows and am curious to try them as well.
[close]
Where?
[close]

SoCal

https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-144mm-Andrew-Reynolds-Hollow-Pro-Mid-Skateboard-Trucks-Silver.html (https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-144mm-Andrew-Reynolds-Hollow-Pro-Mid-Skateboard-Trucks-Silver.html)
i'm guessing these are just hollow kingpins as they don't show the axles
kind of a disappointment

edit: they don't show the kingpins either >:(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 02, 2021, 05:01:04 PM
Quote from: anon on October 02, 2021, 04:50:52 PM
Quote from: Macho Taildrop on October 02, 2021, 12:34:14 PM
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Just survived another bout of truck madness. I need a note on my mirror, so I see it every morning:
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"

Its nice to try other shit out, but I need to just accept it for what it is
[close]

I feel you. I believe deep down inside I'm an indy guy...they're just so fucking heavy, Ti included compared to everything else but ACE ,and these legs need all the help they can get.
[close]

Maybe I need to step out of ye olde standard and get some hollows? I've never tried any Indys but regular. I fear change.
[close]

I wanted be an ace guy. But I came back to Indy and I’m happy. Hollow or ti indys with the standard baseplate is great my old legs can last now and Indy grind so well.
[close]

Running some Indy cast hollows ATM and they feel pretty perfect. Glad they're a regular offering. Just ordered some mid hollows and am curious to try them as well.
[close]
Where?
[close]

SoCal

https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-144mm-Andrew-Reynolds-Hollow-Pro-Mid-Skateboard-Trucks-Silver.html (https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-144mm-Andrew-Reynolds-Hollow-Pro-Mid-Skateboard-Trucks-Silver.html)
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i'm guessing these are just hollow kingpins as they don't show the axles
kind of a disappointment

edit: they don't show the kingpins either >:(

Hollow axle, solid kingpin. Saw a pic but I can't remember where.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 02, 2021, 06:48:41 PM
Quote from: Macho Taildrop on October 02, 2021, 05:01:04 PM
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Just survived another bout of truck madness. I need a note on my mirror, so I see it every morning:
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"

Its nice to try other shit out, but I need to just accept it for what it is
[close]

I feel you. I believe deep down inside I'm an indy guy...they're just so fucking heavy, Ti included compared to everything else but ACE ,and these legs need all the help they can get.
[close]

Maybe I need to step out of ye olde standard and get some hollows? I've never tried any Indys but regular. I fear change.
[close]

I wanted be an ace guy. But I came back to Indy and I’m happy. Hollow or ti indys with the standard baseplate is great my old legs can last now and Indy grind so well.
[close]

Running some Indy cast hollows ATM and they feel pretty perfect. Glad they're a regular offering. Just ordered some mid hollows and am curious to try them as well.
[close]
Where?
[close]

SoCal

https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-144mm-Andrew-Reynolds-Hollow-Pro-Mid-Skateboard-Trucks-Silver.html (https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-144mm-Andrew-Reynolds-Hollow-Pro-Mid-Skateboard-Trucks-Silver.html)
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i'm guessing these are just hollow kingpins as they don't show the axles
kind of a disappointment

edit: they don't show the kingpins either >:(
[close]

Hollow axle, solid kingpin. Saw a pic but I can't remember where.

I'm doubtful we're going to see hollow pins anytime soon, something tells me with the plate as it is (with such a deep cavity) them hollow pins be snappin during RnD.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on October 02, 2021, 08:38:25 PM
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Just survived another bout of truck madness. I need a note on my mirror, so I see it every morning:
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"

Its nice to try other shit out, but I need to just accept it for what it is
[close]

I feel you. I believe deep down inside I'm an indy guy...they're just so fucking heavy, Ti included compared to everything else but ACE ,and these legs need all the help they can get.
[close]

Maybe I need to step out of ye olde standard and get some hollows? I've never tried any Indys but regular. I fear change.
[close]

I wanted be an ace guy. But I came back to Indy and I’m happy. Hollow or ti indys with the standard baseplate is great my old legs can last now and Indy grind so well.
[close]

Running some Indy cast hollows ATM and they feel pretty perfect. Glad they're a regular offering. Just ordered some mid hollows and am curious to try them as well.
[close]
Where?
[close]

SoCal

https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-144mm-Andrew-Reynolds-Hollow-Pro-Mid-Skateboard-Trucks-Silver.html (https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-144mm-Andrew-Reynolds-Hollow-Pro-Mid-Skateboard-Trucks-Silver.html)
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i'm guessing these are just hollow kingpins as they don't show the axles
kind of a disappointment

edit: they don't show the kingpins either >:(
[close]

Hollow axle, solid kingpin. Saw a pic but I can't remember where.

I saw it too!
It is hollow axle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on October 02, 2021, 11:01:02 PM
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Just survived another bout of truck madness. I need a note on my mirror, so I see it every morning:
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"

Its nice to try other shit out, but I need to just accept it for what it is
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I feel you. I believe deep down inside I'm an indy guy...they're just so fucking heavy, Ti included compared to everything else but ACE ,and these legs need all the help they can get.
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Maybe I need to step out of ye olde standard and get some hollows? I've never tried any Indys but regular. I fear change.
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I wanted be an ace guy. But I came back to Indy and I’m happy. Hollow or ti indys with the standard baseplate is great my old legs can last now and Indy grind so well.
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Running some Indy cast hollows ATM and they feel pretty perfect. Glad they're a regular offering. Just ordered some mid hollows and am curious to try them as well.
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Where?
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SoCal

https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-144mm-Andrew-Reynolds-Hollow-Pro-Mid-Skateboard-Trucks-Silver.html (https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-144mm-Andrew-Reynolds-Hollow-Pro-Mid-Skateboard-Trucks-Silver.html)
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i'm guessing these are just hollow kingpins as they don't show the axles
kind of a disappointment

edit: they don't show the kingpins either >:(
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Hollow axle, solid kingpin. Saw a pic but I can't remember where.
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I saw it too!
It is hollow axle.

I didn't see anything on the NHS site. Anyone know how much these weigh?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Just survived another bout of truck madness. I need a note on my mirror, so I see it every morning:
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"

Its nice to try other shit out, but I need to just accept it for what it is
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I feel you. I believe deep down inside I'm an indy guy...they're just so fucking heavy, Ti included compared to everything else but ACE ,and these legs need all the help they can get.
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Maybe I need to step out of ye olde standard and get some hollows? I've never tried any Indys but regular. I fear change.
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I wanted be an ace guy. But I came back to Indy and I’m happy. Hollow or ti indys with the standard baseplate is great my old legs can last now and Indy grind so well.
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Running some Indy cast hollows ATM and they feel pretty perfect. Glad they're a regular offering. Just ordered some mid hollows and am curious to try them as well.
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Where?
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SoCal

https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-144mm-Andrew-Reynolds-Hollow-Pro-Mid-Skateboard-Trucks-Silver.html (https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-144mm-Andrew-Reynolds-Hollow-Pro-Mid-Skateboard-Trucks-Silver.html)
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i'm guessing these are just hollow kingpins as they don't show the axles
kind of a disappointment

edit: they don't show the kingpins either >:(
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Hollow axle, solid kingpin. Saw a pic but I can't remember where.
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I saw it too!
It is hollow axle.
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I didn't see anything on the NHS site. Anyone know how much these weigh?

386g vs 402g for 144s IIRC, but don't quote me. Would basically put the mids back down to standard weight if correct.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on October 03, 2021, 09:30:29 AM
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Just survived another bout of truck madness. I need a note on my mirror, so I see it every morning:
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"

Its nice to try other shit out, but I need to just accept it for what it is
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I feel you. I believe deep down inside I'm an indy guy...they're just so fucking heavy, Ti included compared to everything else but ACE ,and these legs need all the help they can get.
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Maybe I need to step out of ye olde standard and get some hollows? I've never tried any Indys but regular. I fear change.
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I wanted be an ace guy. But I came back to Indy and I’m happy. Hollow or ti indys with the standard baseplate is great my old legs can last now and Indy grind so well.
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Running some Indy cast hollows ATM and they feel pretty perfect. Glad they're a regular offering. Just ordered some mid hollows and am curious to try them as well.
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Where?
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SoCal

https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-144mm-Andrew-Reynolds-Hollow-Pro-Mid-Skateboard-Trucks-Silver.html (https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-144mm-Andrew-Reynolds-Hollow-Pro-Mid-Skateboard-Trucks-Silver.html)
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i'm guessing these are just hollow kingpins as they don't show the axles
kind of a disappointment

edit: they don't show the kingpins either >:(
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Hollow axle, solid kingpin. Saw a pic but I can't remember where.
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I saw it too!
It is hollow axle.
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I didn't see anything on the NHS site. Anyone know how much these weigh?

It wasn’t on their accounts. I think it was a skateshop.
Not sure about the weight but, I could see it bringing it back to a regular high truck as mids are heavier because of the special lock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on October 04, 2021, 09:10:41 AM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on October 03, 2021, 09:30:29 AM
... as mids are heavier because of the special lock.

And the hanger is thicker.  They needed to up the kingpin clearance so they added more material.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kevve on October 04, 2021, 09:32:43 AM
Are you supposed to run Bones bushings with boardside washers? I put in flat washers on the boardside too but theyre kinda hard to crank down now. Noticed they only come with 2 washers instead of 4
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on October 04, 2021, 09:39:18 AM
Quote from: Kevve on October 04, 2021, 09:32:43 AM
Are you supposed to run Bones bushings with boardside washers? I put in flat washers on the boardside too but theyre kinda hard to crank down now. Noticed they only come with 2 washers instead of 4

The washers they supply go under the nut, and the boardside bushing sits right on the baseplate. However, at least with Indys you need another washer under the boardside bushing to preserve the truck’s geometry. I think it’s best with Bones flat washer under the boardside bushing, and original Indy washer under the nut.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on October 04, 2021, 09:43:52 AM
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Are you supposed to run Bones bushings with boardside washers? I put in flat washers on the boardside too but theyre kinda hard to crank down now. Noticed they only come with 2 washers instead of 4
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The washers they supply go under the nut, and the boardside bushing sits right on the hangar. However, at least with Indys you need another washer under the boardside bushing to preserve the truck’s geometry. I think it’s best with Bones flat washer under the boardside bushing, and original Indy washer under the nut.

On Indy I take the original nut side washer and put it board side (because it is smaller than the normal Indy boardside), then use the thin Bones on the nut side.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 04, 2021, 03:03:17 PM
Quote from: listentoaheartbeat on October 04, 2021, 09:39:18 AM
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Are you supposed to run Bones bushings with boardside washers? I put in flat washers on the boardside too but theyre kinda hard to crank down now. Noticed they only come with 2 washers instead of 4
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The washers they supply go under the nut, and the boardside bushing sits right on the hangar. However, at least with Indys you need another washer under the boardside bushing to preserve the truck’s geometry. I think it’s best with Bones flat washer under the boardside bushing, and original Indy washer under the nut.

You actually don't need to put a washer on the bottom when using bones, on Indy. They are close enough to where you don't need to worry about it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on October 04, 2021, 03:15:28 PM
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Quote from: Kevve on October 04, 2021, 09:32:43 AM
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Are you supposed to run Bones bushings with boardside washers? I put in flat washers on the boardside too but theyre kinda hard to crank down now. Noticed they only come with 2 washers instead of 4
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The washers they supply go under the nut, and the boardside bushing sits right on the hangar baseplate. However, at least with Indys you need another washer under the boardside bushing to preserve the truck’s geometry. I think it’s best with Bones flat washer under the boardside bushing, and original Indy washer under the nut.
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You actually don't need to put a washer on the bottom when using bones, on Indy. They are close enough to where you don't need to worry about it.

Thanks for the correction, fixed it in my post. As for the washer, putting it there matches the distance pretty much exactly to stock bushings so why not.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 05, 2021, 08:29:56 AM
For people asking about the Indy Reynolds mid hollows weight, from what I've seen they are:

129=368g
139=376g
144=386g
149=392g
159=395g

vs classics:

129=367g
139=376g
144=387g
149=394g
159=402g

So they do seem to put the mids back at classic weight or slightly under.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on October 05, 2021, 09:19:09 AM
Can't figure out how to search for this specific issue but - do any of yall run thunders on decks with super short WB to mitigate the way Thunders extend it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 05, 2021, 09:45:56 AM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on October 05, 2021, 09:19:09 AM
Can't figure out how to search for this specific issue but - do any of yall run thunders on decks with super short WB to mitigate the way Thunders extend it?

Yes.

For me at least, to get the similar feel of trucks, I have Indy on 14.5 wb boards, then Thunder and Venture on 14.38 wb, so when set up with bushings how I like them, they will actually behave much the same for all three.  I can make all of them turn in a relatively small circle fairly easily without having shakey loose trucks, but I definitely feel the difference if I have all three brands on the same size board / same wheelbase.

Ace is a different story, but I prefer them on other boards, such as longer cruiser shapes anyway, which usually have longer wheelbases, so it again follows the pattern, as they have the shortest wheelbase of all of them.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: saltusnaut on October 05, 2021, 11:10:57 AM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on October 05, 2021, 09:19:09 AM
Can't figure out how to search for this specific issue but - do any of yall run thunders on decks with super short WB to mitigate the way Thunders extend it?

when I skated thunder 149 hollows I felt I could get away with skating quite long wheelbases due to them beeing so light
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 05, 2021, 11:29:18 AM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on October 05, 2021, 09:19:09 AM
Can't figure out how to search for this specific issue but - do any of yall run thunders on decks with super short WB to mitigate the way Thunders extend it?

Yes, this is the way.

It's funny, lots of people will say "I need a short WB but ride Ventures or Thunders" which essentially extend your WB; For me, riding a 14" WB, Thunders or Ventures is a must.

In opposite world, I always ride Indys or ACE on 14.3x or larger Wheelbases (currently on 14.3WB with Indy ti).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on October 05, 2021, 03:58:37 PM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on October 05, 2021, 09:19:09 AM
Can't figure out how to search for this specific issue but - do any of yall run thunders on decks with super short WB to mitigate the way Thunders extend it?

Thunders on 14-14.25"
Indy on 14.25-14.5"
Ace on 14.5" and up

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on October 05, 2021, 04:26:58 PM
Had the weirdest thing happen to me while skating the other day. Riding an oldish pair of Indy 149s with older bushings. While I was pushing it felt like my front truck was turning to the toe side. Pushing regular turning right. I never had to position my front foot straight to avoid turning and all of a sudden I felt I had to do this to keep from loosing speed and veering sideways.

I keep my trucks stock tight and change out the bushings and pivot cups as needed. I don’t see any major wear on either but should I just change out pivot cup and bushings to see what happens? Also, bolts are tight. Is it worth moving to bones medium or something else? I’m currently using 90a barrel Indys. I’m concerned since Bones are conical that they will be even less stable.

I’m riding 60 mm wheels on 1/4” risers but I can’t imagine that being higher off the ground is an issue. Maybe I’m beginning to loose my balance but I’m not willing to admit that yet.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 05, 2021, 06:20:02 PM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on October 05, 2021, 04:26:58 PM
Had the weirdest thing happen to me while skating the other day. Riding an oldish pair of Indy 149s with older bushings. While I was pushing it felt like my front truck was turning to the toe side. Pushing regular turning right. I never had to position my front foot straight to avoid turning and all of a sudden I felt I had to do this to keep from loosing speed and veering sideways.

I keep my trucks stock tight and change out the bushings and pivot cups as needed. I don’t see any major wear on either but should I just change out pivot cup and bushings to see what happens? Also, bolts are tight. Is it worth moving to bones medium or something else? I’m currently using 90a barrel Indys. I’m concerned since Bones are conical that they will be even less stable.

I’m riding 60 mm wheels on 1/4” risers but I can’t imagine that being higher off the ground is an issue. Maybe I’m beginning to loose my balance but I’m not willing to admit that yet.

Thoughts?

Has this setup been ok for however long and only now having this or is this a newly setup board?


Push the board out in front and see if it turns on its own.

Turn the board around and push the same way but with the tail at the front, seeing if something is different then too.

Pivot cups splitting can cause weird turns to one side, as can trucks that are mounted crooked or even boards that are not drilled straight, or even bushings that have split or similar things, to which I have often checked or rotated bushings, eg draw a dot or line on them where they are in place, then loosen off the truck and turn the bushing round so the line is now facing the other way and see if that changes anything.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on October 05, 2021, 06:36:49 PM
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when I skated thunder 149 hollows I felt I could get away with skating quite long wheelbases due to them beeing so light

That’s what I’m running now and I agree. If you have a wider stance, it might feel more comfortable with a longer wheelbase.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on October 05, 2021, 07:08:08 PM
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Yes, this is the way.

It's funny, lots of people will say "I need a short WB but ride Ventures or Thunders" which essentially extend your WB; For me, riding a 14" WB, Thunders or Ventures is a must.

In opposite world, I always ride Indys or ACE on 14.3x or larger Wheelbases (currently on 14.3WB with Indy ti).

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Thunders on 14-14.25"
Indy on 14.25-14.5"
Ace on 14.5" and up


Truth, though I am having a decent time on Venture 5.2L V-Hollows on a 14.25 WB. Only problem it the deck is an 8.0.

Length factors in too, short boards like Baker 8.0 x 31.5 x 14.25 would be unrideable (to me) on Ventures, tail would feel microscopic.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on October 05, 2021, 08:01:45 PM
I've skated 14.5 on ventures and it was honestly fine. Though I do prefer 14.25 or 14.38 overall by a lil bit. I wouldn't trip too much about the wheelbase as long as its not wayyyy out of your comfort zone.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 05, 2021, 09:58:26 PM
To echo the above poster’s point I’m a giant baby and perfectionist about my shit bag of tricks and recently skated Venture on 14.38 when they were on 14.25 before. They felt solid other than back tails. I put on my 149 forged hollows, which measure +3.19 instead of +3.25 and there might be a marginal difference in back tails but it’s likely mental.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: anon on October 06, 2021, 04:27:55 PM
why do bushings harden as they break in?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on October 06, 2021, 04:45:13 PM
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why do bushings harden as they break in?

Compression? Urethane will harden overtime and the majority of the hardening takes place in the first six months.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on October 14, 2021, 06:45:33 AM
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why do bushings harden as they break in?
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Compression? Urethane will harden overtime and the majority of the hardening takes place in the first six months.

So it's all about the compression? I bought two sets of Indy 92A blue cylinder bushings two or three months ago. Mounted one set, thought they were too soft but rode them for a few sessions, shelved them. Put them on again a month or so later, perfect! If anything, a bit too hard now. Thought I was tripping. Mounted the other set on my second setup today. Again, feels too soft. The difference between the ones I have been riding for a few weeks now and the fresh ones is night and day. If it was hardening over time, wouldn't the set I had lying around since I bought them also have hardened a bit?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: user18081971 on October 14, 2021, 11:27:53 AM
alright, tensor mag atg or Indy titanium? I want to try something new.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Firebert on October 14, 2021, 11:31:19 AM
Quote from: user18081971 on October 14, 2021, 11:27:53 AM
alright, tensor mag atg or Indy titanium? I want to try something new.
Have both - Indy Titanium imo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on October 14, 2021, 11:42:36 AM
Quote from: user18081971 on October 14, 2021, 11:27:53 AM
alright, tensor mag atg or Indy titanium? I want to try something new.

Assuming that you have already skated Indys, the titaniums are nothing special. They're just a lighter Indy truck. I have them and they're great, but if you're looking for something different, I'd go Tenson Mag.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: user18081971 on October 14, 2021, 03:37:03 PM
Thanks guys. I’d have put theeve in there too, but to find a v3 titanium truck right now is looking pretty difficult.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on October 14, 2021, 07:08:55 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on October 14, 2021, 11:42:36 AM
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alright, tensor mag atg or Indy titanium? I want to try something new.
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Assuming that you have already skated Indys, the titaniums are nothing special. They're just a lighter Indy truck. I have them and they're great, but if you're looking for something different, I'd go Tenson Mag.

Indys by design are very heavy, and going lighter definitely changes up that core aspect of an Indy truck. I would think of it as an enhanced (lighter) Indy. A friend of mine recently went from Standard to Hollow Forged and his feedback was he's less tired popping his tricks and his flips have gotten significantly higher. But landings can be a more squirrel-y because of the lower baseplate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 14, 2021, 08:54:11 PM
I bought some barely used forged hollows and the dude didnt know they were ti's. I kinda don't like how light they are, would never buy, but they prob weigh what a Thunder Team Hollow does and those don't feel "too light"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 14, 2021, 09:47:34 PM
Quote from: listentoaheartbeat on October 14, 2021, 06:45:33 AM
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why do bushings harden as they break in?
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Compression? Urethane will harden overtime and the majority of the hardening takes place in the first six months.
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So it's all about the compression? I bought two sets of Indy 92A blue cylinder bushings two or three months ago. Mounted one set, thought they were too soft but rode them for a few sessions, shelved them. Put them on again a month or so later, perfect! If anything, a bit too hard now. Thought I was tripping. Mounted the other set on my second setup today. Again, feels too soft. The difference between the ones I have been riding for a few weeks now and the fresh ones is night and day. If it was hardening over time, wouldn't the set I had lying around since I bought them also have hardened a bit?


I feel like many used bushings that have not been used for a while end up feeling a lot harder than others of the same age if still new in package.

This is most likely the case for you as well.  Some older well used bushings of various brands have almost seemed too hard now, but as said, urethane ages and hardens up some, so bushings just like wheels harden up and yellow under various lighting, even if still in the package, the only difference being bushings are usually various colours, so you don't notice anywhere near as much as white / natural coloured wheels.



Quote from: LebowskisRug on October 14, 2021, 08:54:11 PM
I bought some barely used forged hollows and the dude didnt know they were ti's. I kinda don't like how light they are, would never buy, but they prob weigh what a Thunder Team Hollow does and those don't feel "too light"

The axle metal is a bit more blue tinged if titanium, but the best way to check is with a magnet, as titanium is not magnetic, but steel is.

That worked on a set of titanium Indy and Thunder I had floating round.

* just the axles, not the hanger, that is.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on October 14, 2021, 10:20:04 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on October 14, 2021, 08:54:11 PM
I bought some barely used forged hollows and the dude didnt know they were ti's. I kinda don't like how light they are, would never buy, but they prob weigh what a Thunder Team Hollow does and those don't feel "too light"

I feel the same way, would only buy them on a heavy discount or if they were part of a setup someone was getting rid off for cheap. They are great, but not life changing, and I couldn't convince myself to spend $80 on trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on October 16, 2021, 06:38:23 PM
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I bought some barely used forged hollows and the dude didnt know they were ti's. I kinda don't like how light they are, would never buy, but they prob weigh what a Thunder Team Hollow does and those don't feel "too light"
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I feel the same way, would only buy them on a heavy discount or if they were part of a setup someone was getting rid off for cheap. They are great, but not life changing, and I couldn't convince myself to spend $80 on trucks.

Are people doing the reverse of/off thing now too?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on October 16, 2021, 08:13:55 PM
Reddit hack for tighter trucks without ruing the bushings.
(https://i.imgur.com/SveSIVI.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on October 17, 2021, 12:19:46 AM
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I bought some barely used forged hollows and the dude didnt know they were ti's. I kinda don't like how light they are, would never buy, but they prob weigh what a Thunder Team Hollow does and those don't feel "too light"
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I feel the same way, would only buy them on a heavy discount or if they were part of a setup someone was getting rid off for cheap. They are great, but not life changing, and I couldn't convince myself to spend $80 on trucks.

Maybe it’s because I ride big boards and have this mission to relearn flip tricks as an aging skateboarder, but I love my first set of Titaniums. Combined with small wheels it makes my 9.25 Heroin pop feel much more responsive and I get less sore when trying shit over and over. Plus, hitting my shins is a little less painful.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on October 17, 2021, 08:23:55 AM
I’ve ground to the axle in my heelside groove on my rear truck and am flush with the kingpin straight across the front. About 80% of my frontside slappy attempts are sticking on the front kingpin, and I’m going nuts between thinking I should power through, swap front and back, or convert to inverted kingpins.  I’ve got some krux downlow kingpins on hand, but don’t wanna eff up the feel.

Decided to go with the inverted kingpins, but discovered the back axles are like unto a banana.  Went with a hanger swap, keeping everything else the same.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaleSr on October 17, 2021, 01:57:03 PM
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I jammed some pliers in there to do the janky way to tighten kreper kingpins. I should have gone the brass nipple route @PuffinMuffin 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on October 19, 2021, 09:55:13 AM
Quote from: DaleSr on October 17, 2021, 01:57:03 PM
I jammed some pliers in there to do the janky way to tighten kreper kingpins. I should have gone the brass nipple route @PuffinMuffin

Sorry friend, but a brass nipple won't jam up the rotation of the nut in a circular recessed baseplate. The nut will just spin, it needs a corner to grab on to. :( I think you can only use epoxy on them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaleSr on October 19, 2021, 10:00:14 AM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on October 19, 2021, 09:55:13 AM
Quote from: DaleSr on October 17, 2021, 01:57:03 PM
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I jammed some pliers in there to do the janky way to tighten kreper kingpins. I should have gone the brass nipple route @PuffinMuffin
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Sorry friend, but a brass nipple won't jam up the rotation of the nut in a circular recessed baseplate. The nut will just spin, it needs a corner to grab on to. :( I think you can only use epoxy on them.

Gotcha, well my pliers method sort of got the job done
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Landmine on October 19, 2021, 12:43:36 PM
I've been skating a lot recently (nothing heavy, but lots of dicking around in parking lots and garages) on loose trucks and I gotta say loose trucks feel great.  I've ditched the Bones bushings and I'm back on the stock Indy bushings on both set ups and I'm really liking it.  Fakie down transition feels slightly sketchy again, but I'll get over that.

Plus no more bushing squeak.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 20, 2021, 06:57:34 PM
https://www.qwiktruks.com/

In case you need big ass risers and swap trucks a lot..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 20, 2021, 07:28:06 PM
Quote from: Xen on October 20, 2021, 06:57:34 PM
https://www.qwiktruks.com/

In case you need big ass risers and swap trucks a lot..

Wow!

Just when I thought I had seen it all and would never see anything else, something like this comes along.

That's a NO from me, but don't let me stop you...


(Thanks for the laugh too)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaleSr on October 20, 2021, 07:40:45 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on October 20, 2021, 07:28:06 PM
Quote from: Xen on October 20, 2021, 06:57:34 PM
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https://www.qwiktruks.com/

In case you need big ass risers and swap trucks a lot..
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Wow!

Just when I thought I had seen it all and would never see anything else, something like this comes along.

That's a NO from me, but don't let me stop you...


(Thanks for the laugh too)

That team page is great
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ok boomer on October 21, 2021, 10:02:32 AM
Pondering an 8.38 board. Are you Indy rydaz using 144s or 149's on this kinda setup?
P.S. I don't like wheels showing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 21, 2021, 10:06:44 AM
Quote from: ok boomer on October 21, 2021, 10:02:32 AM
Pondering an 8.38 board. Are you Indy rydaz using 144s or 149's on this kinda setup?
P.S. I don't like wheels showing

Definitely 149
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on October 21, 2021, 10:18:02 AM
Quote from: RottenToTheCore on October 21, 2021, 10:06:44 AM
Quote from: ok boomer on October 21, 2021, 10:02:32 AM
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Pondering an 8.38 board. Are you Indy rydaz using 144s or 149's on this kinda setup?
P.S. I don't like wheels showing
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Definitely 149
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: user18081971 on October 21, 2021, 02:34:03 PM
Quote from: DaleSr on October 20, 2021, 07:40:45 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on October 20, 2021, 07:28:06 PM
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Quote from: Xen on October 20, 2021, 06:57:34 PM
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https://www.qwiktruks.com/

In case you need big ass risers and swap trucks a lot..
[close]

Wow!

Just when I thought I had seen it all and would never see anything else, something like this comes along.

That's a NO from me, but don't let me stop you...


(Thanks for the laugh too)
[close]

That team page is great
Hey, if it works for Andrew Allen it can work for you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on October 21, 2021, 03:50:25 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on October 05, 2021, 06:20:02 PM
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Had the weirdest thing happen to me while skating the other day. Riding an oldish pair of Indy 149s with older bushings. While I was pushing it felt like my front truck was turning to the toe side. Pushing regular turning right. I never had to position my front foot straight to avoid turning and all of a sudden I felt I had to do this to keep from loosing speed and veering sideways.

I keep my trucks stock tight and change out the bushings and pivot cups as needed. I don’t see any major wear on either but should I just change out pivot cup and bushings to see what happens? Also, bolts are tight. Is it worth moving to bones medium or something else? I’m currently using 90a barrel Indys. I’m concerned since Bones are conical that they will be even less stable.

I’m riding 60 mm wheels on 1/4” risers but I can’t imagine that being higher off the ground is an issue. Maybe I’m beginning to loose my balance but I’m not willing to admit that yet.

Thoughts?
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Has this setup been ok for however long and only now having this or is this a newly setup board?


Push the board out in front and see if it turns on its own.

Turn the board around and push the same way but with the tail at the front, seeing if something is different then too.

Pivot cups splitting can cause weird turns to one side, as can trucks that are mounted crooked or even boards that are not drilled straight, or even bushings that have split or similar things, to which I have often checked or rotated bushings, eg draw a dot or line on them where they are in place, then loosen off the truck and turn the bushing round so the line is now facing the other way and see if that changes anything.

Follow up:

Took same setup out today with same problems. I inspected during the session and determined the following:

-screws had slight amount of play. Because I’m running risers it was not apparent the last time I skated it.
-pivot cup stretched more in the front truck than back.

I think both factors together caused the issue. Gonna obviously tightened the trucks but also replace pivot cups. Thanks for the thoughts…
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 21, 2021, 07:22:44 PM
Quote from: ok boomer on October 21, 2021, 10:02:32 AM
Pondering an 8.38 board. Are you Indy rydaz using 144s or 149's on this kinda setup?
P.S. I don't like wheels showing

My DLX / BBS 8.38 with Indy 149s (three washers on the inside) and fairly wide wheels just sit flush with the board, which is very stable and solid feeling when I ride it on everything, so for normal people with not so wide wheels and only one washer on the inside, the wheels will still sit under the board.

I have skated the same 8.38 deck with 144s on it too just to see - friends who are more into street / rails prefer that setup - which felt a bit more tippy but that is what they like about it, as it is easier to throw around for them than my board, when we skate each others' setups.

All up it is a touch of weight difference and 5mm truck width, so people go both ways on it easily enough, depending on your preference of how you like the board to feel under your feet.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 21, 2021, 07:27:31 PM
Quote from: user18081971 on October 21, 2021, 02:34:03 PM
Quote from: DaleSr on October 20, 2021, 07:40:45 PM
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Quote from: Mbrimson88 on October 20, 2021, 07:28:06 PM
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Quote from: Xen on October 20, 2021, 06:57:34 PM
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https://www.qwiktruks.com/

In case you need big ass risers and swap trucks a lot..
[close]

Wow!

Just when I thought I had seen it all and would never see anything else, something like this comes along.

That's a NO from me, but don't let me stop you...


(Thanks for the laugh too)
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That team page is great
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Hey, if it works for Andrew Allen it can work for you.

I had to do a double take, but it is most definitely NOT the Andrew Allen I was thinking, the one on their team page being a bearded older guy and not the Hockey, Vans, Indy, Spitfire, switch street, rad dude that I associate with that name.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 21, 2021, 10:07:36 PM
Quote from: RottenToTheCore on October 21, 2021, 10:06:44 AM
Quote from: ok boomer on October 21, 2021, 10:02:32 AM
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Pondering an 8.38 board. Are you Indy rydaz using 144s or 149's on this kinda setup?
P.S. I don't like wheels showing
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Definitely 149

Most people I know use 144 if there is a chance they would ride an 8.25. Lots ride 144 with 8.5. I’ve ridden 144 and 149 with all sizes and prefer 144 overall and am currently on 8.38x14.38x32 BBS.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on October 22, 2021, 11:48:52 PM
Any word on reverting hangars? I have a deep groove closing in on the axle on two sets of 169s and figured I could give them some more life. Never done it before and assume there is not much to it, though I am wondering if slipping into the groove toe side on coping is a concern?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 23, 2021, 03:07:39 AM
Quote from: listentoaheartbeat on October 22, 2021, 11:48:52 PM
Any word on reverting hangars? I have a deep groove closing in on the axle on two sets of 169s and figured I could give them some more life. Never done it before and assume there is not much to it, though I am wondering if slipping into the groove toe side on coping is a concern?

Are you meaning swapping hangers around, front to back, back to front?

I am not a fan of it, but I have too many anyway, so usually if I or someone has run a hanger to axle, using them on a cruiser is my preferred option.

As for two sets, you could always use the two least worn hangers (often the two fronts) as a set for general use and the others that are worn out as backups or on a cruiser.

At the end of the day, as long as they are not cracked and still skate fine, you can skate them backwards easily enough and not have issues.  Even try it by skating the board backwards or put them on an old setup first and see if it makes a difference.

The only other thing to note here, with a used set that had different grooves from really wide wheels is I grinded out the groove to make it much flatter across the truck so I never got caught in the weird groove, which worked well enough and still gave the trucks a lot more life.  I did that by taking the wheels off and scraping the complete (trucks down) on some really rough concrete, but I probably wouldn't recommend that for everyone.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on October 23, 2021, 04:15:21 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on October 23, 2021, 03:07:39 AM
Quote from: listentoaheartbeat on October 22, 2021, 11:48:52 PM
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Any word on reverting hangars? I have a deep groove closing in on the axle on two sets of 169s and figured I could give them some more life. Never done it before and assume there is not much to it, though I am wondering if slipping into the groove toe side on coping is a concern?
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Are you meaning swapping hangers around, front to back, back to front?

I am not a fan of it, but I have too many anyway, so usually if I or someone has run a hanger to axle, using them on a cruiser is my preferred option.

As for two sets, you could always use the two least worn hangers (often the two fronts) as a set for general use and the others that are worn out as backups or on a cruiser.

At the end of the day, as long as they are not cracked and still skate fine, you can skate them backwards easily enough and not have issues.  Even try it by skating the board backwards or put them on an old setup first and see if it makes a difference.

The only other thing to note here, with a used set that had different grooves from really wide wheels is I grinded out the groove to make it much flatter across the truck so I never got caught in the weird groove, which worked well enough and still gave the trucks a lot more life.  I did that by taking the wheels off and scraping the complete (trucks down) on some really rough concrete, but I probably wouldn't recommend that for everyone.

Thanks for the elaborate response, good points to consider. And yes, I mean swapping front and back so the heel grooves move to the toe side.

I have 159s on my cruiser (which I barely use). One of the two sets of 169s is on my bowl setup that gets some serious use, the other is on my egg that I only skate occasionally when I feel like switching things up, sort of a lazy day setup.

Maybe it’s a good idea to use the two front truck hangers on my bowl setup, the groove is not too bad on those. Then use the back truck hangers on the egg. Definitely worth trying out, I can still buy a new set for my bowl setup if it doesn’t feel right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on October 23, 2021, 08:40:35 AM
Quote from: listentoaheartbeat on October 22, 2021, 11:48:52 PM
Any word on reverting hangars? I have a deep groove closing in on the axle on two sets of 169s and figured I could give them some more life. Never done it before and assume there is not much to it, though I am wondering if slipping into the groove toe side on coping is a concern?

I’m trying to find out -did it with some 169’s a couple weeks ago. My front truck was worn straight across at kingpin height while my back was worn to the axle in the heelside groove. I swapped just the hangers. I went for a curb session, and proceeded to catch the kingpin on the now rear truck constantly. I put them aside after that, so I can’t really say if the groove concern holds. Last night, I decided to put some inverted kingpins in and give thoroughly destroying these trucks one more shot.
Honestly, I don’t know how folks do it. It didn’t take that long to hit the axle, but the bushings and pivot cups have both been replaced and the axles are bent (I did straighten them a little). Once I started hitting the kingpins, they were 32% less fun to skate, and they are but a nip slip compared to the hardcore ground-to-the-axle pics floating around.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 23, 2021, 05:30:40 PM
Quote from: beandemon on October 23, 2021, 08:40:35 AM
Quote from: listentoaheartbeat on October 22, 2021, 11:48:52 PM
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Any word on reverting hangars? I have a deep groove closing in on the axle on two sets of 169s and figured I could give them some more life. Never done it before and assume there is not much to it, though I am wondering if slipping into the groove toe side on coping is a concern?
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I’m trying to find out -did it with some 169’s a couple weeks ago. My front truck was worn straight across at kingpin height while my back was worn to the axle in the heelside groove. I swapped just the hangers. I went for a curb session, and proceeded to catch the kingpin on the now rear truck constantly. I put them aside after that, so I can’t really say if the groove concern holds. Last night, I decided to put some inverted kingpins in and give thoroughly destroying these trucks one more shot.
Honestly, I don’t know how folks do it. It didn’t take that long to hit the axle, but the bushings and pivot cups have both been replaced and the axles are bent (I did straighten them a little). Once I started hitting the kingpins, they were 32% less fun to skate, and they are but a nip slip compared to the hardcore ground-to-the-axle pics floating around.

This is why we used to have to cut down our bushings back in the day when we couldn't afford new trucks and had to skate those things til near on the end of time (or at least until a birthday or Christmas event) but between cutting down the top bushing and angle grinding down the tip of the kingpin in question, even modern trucks still get a lot more life.

Just the tip though...

* I like your percentage of fun and comparisons to other things too.



https://www.instagram.com/p/CMGt_osFWe0/

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on October 24, 2021, 12:48:54 AM
Quote from: beandemon on October 23, 2021, 08:40:35 AM
Quote from: listentoaheartbeat on October 22, 2021, 11:48:52 PM
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Any word on reverting hangars? I have a deep groove closing in on the axle on two sets of 169s and figured I could give them some more life. Never done it before and assume there is not much to it, though I am wondering if slipping into the groove toe side on coping is a concern?
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I’m trying to find out -did it with some 169’s a couple weeks ago. My front truck was worn straight across at kingpin height while my back was worn to the axle in the heelside groove. I swapped just the hangers. I went for a curb session, and proceeded to catch the kingpin on the now rear truck constantly. I put them aside after that, so I can’t really say if the groove concern holds. Last night, I decided to put some inverted kingpins in and give thoroughly destroying these trucks one more shot.
Honestly, I don’t know how folks do it. It didn’t take that long to hit the axle, but the bushings and pivot cups have both been replaced and the axles are bent (I did straighten them a little). Once I started hitting the kingpins, they were 32% less fun to skate, and they are but a nip slip compared to the hardcore ground-to-the-axle pics floating around.

Since most of the wear on my trucks comes from Bs grinds on coping, I doubt I’ll have this sort of problem. I just feel the groove is starting to actually slow me down on grinds. I have a new set of Titaniums on my street setup and even though the lock in is a bit sketchy, grinds on coping feel much smoother.

I guess I am not as big of a fan of a deep groove as I thought I was. Grinding it down more evenly might do the trick but then I am worried I’ll mess with kingpin clearance too much. I try to minimize hang-ups in any context since they usually fuck me up badly. This is where shortening the kingpin comes into play I guess as @Mbrimson88 points out.

I’ll try the two least worn of the regular 169s on my bowl setup and put the others on my egg. I mostly use it to skate flat and do slides on rails or curbs when I am having a lazy session so the grooves shouldn’t be too much of an issue. If it’s weird I can still throw money at the problem and get another set of Titaniums.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 24, 2021, 08:25:49 AM
When I skated thunders I did this because they grind down fast and the clearance sucked.  It's a bit weird but didn't want to buy new trucks every 6 mo....a downlo kingpin might help with the clearance too.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on October 24, 2021, 09:12:00 AM
So as mentioned in a couple earlier posts, I have a set of fairly well used Indy 169's I decided to do the krux downlow inverted kingpin swap on. Why? I resolved to skate these trucks to death. Last set of USA made, nostalgia, a brief respite from consumerism, a diversion from my slow decent into nihilism - why not?.  And sticking on the kingpin sucks. Went into the basement after my GF went to bed Friday night, put Apocalypse Now on netflix and did the deed. Here's my 2 cents on the process and first impressions:

First, ban all cats from the premisseses.  Little shit was literally climbing the walls and would not leave me alone.  Meow, meow, meow, I'm nocturnal, meow, meow.

Swapping out the kingpins and epoxying in the nut has been covered elsewhere, but did make sure to sand and clean (denatured alcohol - couldn't find the acetone) the nut and recess and used a prick punch in the recess to create some divots for the epoxy to bite into. Also, I had decent luck straightening my bent axles with a brass hammer and a vise.

First ride was good.  I re-used my bushings and bottom washer, but still got some of that new soft bushing vibe.  I'm wondering if the krux top washer, which doesn't seem to make a lot of contact with the bushing, contributes to that.  Did not get so much as a scratch on the kingpins in a quick bs 50/ fs 50 session. 

@listentoaheartbeat  I did swap my hangers front and back, and the huge now front toeside groove did hamper me on a few frontside grinds, but that was probably my lackluster technique - i.e. the kingpin needs to be on the wrong side of the edge/coping for it to slip into the groove.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on October 24, 2021, 09:39:46 AM
Quote from: beandemon on October 24, 2021, 09:12:00 AM
@listentoaheartbeat  I did swap my hangers front and back, and the huge now front toeside groove did hamper me on a few frontside grinds, but that was probably my lackluster technique - i.e. the kingpin needs to be on the wrong side of the edge/coping for it to slip into the groove.

Thanks, that’s exactly what I am worried about. Trying to finally get into Fs grinds after neglecting most things Frontside on transition for 30 years, so my technique sucks. Nevertheless, I’ll try it when I go to the bowl next week. Meanwhile I gave in to consumerism once again and bought a new set of Titaniums (for the price of Forged Hollows, couldn’t resist that deal), so I can combine my two sets of regular 169s and ditch the hangers with the deep back truck groove. This way it shouldn’t be that big of a deal I hope, my front truck grooves are mellow.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on October 24, 2021, 11:39:33 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on October 24, 2021, 08:25:49 AM
When I skated thunders I did this because they grind down fast and the clearance sucked.  It's a bit weird but didn't want to buy new trucks every 6 mo....a downlo kingpin might help with the clearance too.

What do you skate now?
5.6s?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: theloniousmonk on October 24, 2021, 02:12:28 PM
Quote from: TwisT on October 16, 2021, 08:13:55 PM
Reddit hack for tighter trucks without ruing the bushings.
(https://i.imgur.com/SveSIVI.jpg)
What trucks are those? Tensor tens mag light middle? I’ve got 3 sets of mag light lows but the baseplate is much different. If they are the magnesium mids, how do you like them?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on October 24, 2021, 02:44:43 PM
Quote from: listentoaheartbeat on October 24, 2021, 09:39:46 AM
Quote from: beandemon on October 24, 2021, 09:12:00 AM
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@listentoaheartbeat  I did swap my hangers front and back, and the huge now front toeside groove did hamper me on a few frontside grinds, but that was probably my lackluster technique - i.e. the kingpin needs to be on the wrong side of the edge/coping for it to slip into the groove.
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Thanks, that’s exactly what I am worried about. Trying to finally get into Fs grinds after neglecting most things Frontside on transition for 30 years, so my technique sucks. Nevertheless, I’ll try it when I go to the bowl next week. Meanwhile I gave in to consumerism once again and bought a new set of Titaniums (for the price of Forged Hollows, couldn’t resist that deal), so I can combine my two sets of regular 169s and ditch the hangers with the deep back truck groove. This way it shouldn’t be that big of a deal I hope, my front truck grooves are mellow.

Don’t worry. In my experience, to be a viable FS grind on transition, the kingpin has to be on the deck side of the high point of the coping. It’s not like bs where just the wheel is on the deck and whole truck can be hanging into the ramp because you can put your weight on your heel and still be ok. If your front truck toeside groove is located like mine, it is well onto the deck, off the coping, on a makable frontside grind.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on October 24, 2021, 03:10:14 PM
Quote from: beandemon on October 24, 2021, 02:44:43 PM
Quote from: listentoaheartbeat on October 24, 2021, 09:39:46 AM
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@listentoaheartbeat  I did swap my hangers front and back, and the huge now front toeside groove did hamper me on a few frontside grinds, but that was probably my lackluster technique - i.e. the kingpin needs to be on the wrong side of the edge/coping for it to slip into the groove.
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Thanks, that’s exactly what I am worried about. Trying to finally get into Fs grinds after neglecting most things Frontside on transition for 30 years, so my technique sucks. Nevertheless, I’ll try it when I go to the bowl next week. Meanwhile I gave in to consumerism once again and bought a new set of Titaniums (for the price of Forged Hollows, couldn’t resist that deal), so I can combine my two sets of regular 169s and ditch the hangers with the deep back truck groove. This way it shouldn’t be that big of a deal I hope, my front truck grooves are mellow.
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Don’t worry. In my experience, to be a viable FS grind on transition, the kingpin has to be on the deck side of the high point of the coping. It’s not like bs where just the wheel is on the deck and whole truck can be hanging into the ramp because you can put your weight on your heel and still be ok. If your front truck toeside groove is located like mine, it is well onto the deck, off the coping, on a makable frontside grind.

Yeah, sounds sensible. Tonight I skated a miniramp with my street setup that has fairly new trucks with no groove and I didn’t miss a single lock-in so I am probably just overthinking it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lemonchicken91 on October 25, 2021, 06:17:21 AM
Venture stock bushing are horrendous

felt like a Walmart complete

what are yall putting in these? (or is it just break in time?)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: RichardBarkley on October 25, 2021, 06:21:11 AM
Quote from: lemonchicken91 on October 25, 2021, 06:17:21 AM
Venture stock bushing are horrendous

felt like a Walmart complete

what are yall putting in these? (or is it just break in time?)

Break in time

They're the business when broken in
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on October 25, 2021, 06:36:13 AM
Quote from: RichardBarkley on October 25, 2021, 06:21:11 AM
Quote from: lemonchicken91 on October 25, 2021, 06:17:21 AM
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Venture stock bushing are horrendous

felt like a Walmart complete

what are yall putting in these? (or is it just break in time?)
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Break in time

They're the business when broken in

They feel pretty decent to me and the break in was short, but my front top basically disintegrated in a month. Can’t really handle the pinch I guess. I threw an Ace low top on, tempted to put Ace classic bottoms on as well, especially with winter coming, but the venture bottoms are still good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on October 25, 2021, 06:54:37 AM
I had one set of Ventures during the summer where the front top bushing on my front truck disintegrated but this new set they’re all still good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 25, 2021, 09:17:11 AM
The Venture design will eat bushings if you slappy with the stock washer. It pinches the bushing really badly where the washers end up grooving the hanger divot. Venture will send free replacements or you can do flat washers and avoid this. I kinda think Venture should do flat stock given the design and since everyone I know changes out for those anyways.

I've been skating Indy Mid Hollow lately and so far so good. They feel like a Thunder in terms of responsiveness, pinch is sick, Indy turn and grind is good as well. I guess they're fairly heavy, but I don't notice. I came from Forged Hollows, so they're 1.5mm lower and the wheelbase is almost a 1/4" smaller so they do feel different. I don't really agree that they're a fail on Indy's part and if anything they're a great option if you like Thunders and want a different choice for some reason.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GardenSkater77 on November 03, 2021, 12:15:29 PM
Question, does it matter if your kingpins rattle when not installed?

When you tighten the kingpin down on the bushings won’t the kingpin tighten through the tension?

Just wondering if JB Welding in place will matter?

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on November 03, 2021, 03:04:37 PM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on November 03, 2021, 12:15:29 PM
Question, does it matter if your kingpins rattle when not installed?

When you tighten the kingpin down on the bushings won’t the kingpin tighten through the tension?

Just wondering if JB Welding in place will matter?

Thoughts?

Last time I had a loose kingpin it did this super loud click when turning, I could even feel it under my feet. Super annoying.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on November 03, 2021, 03:11:05 PM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on November 03, 2021, 12:15:29 PM
Question, does it matter if your kingpins rattle when not installed?

When you tighten the kingpin down on the bushings won’t the kingpin tighten through the tension?

Just wondering if JB Welding in place will matter?

Thoughts?

No kingpin should be loose, and I think every maker covers a loose kingpin under warranty. You could try fixing it yourself, or do what I did and use it an an excuse to use an inverse kingpin. Otherwise contact the manufacturer about a warranty claim.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Srt32srt on November 04, 2021, 07:36:13 AM
Quote from: theloniousmonk on October 24, 2021, 02:12:28 PM
Quote from: TwisT on October 16, 2021, 08:13:55 PM
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Reddit hack for tighter trucks without ruing the bushings.
(https://i.imgur.com/SveSIVI.jpg)
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What trucks are those? Tensor tens mag light middle? I’ve got 3 sets of mag light lows but the baseplate is much different. If they are the magnesium mids, how do you like them?

those are the tensor mag light atg but looks like different bushings installed. love my mag lights!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Srt32srt on November 04, 2021, 07:38:52 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on November 03, 2021, 03:11:05 PM
Quote from: GardenSkater77 on November 03, 2021, 12:15:29 PM
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Question, does it matter if your kingpins rattle when not installed?

When you tighten the kingpin down on the bushings won’t the kingpin tighten through the tension?

Just wondering if JB Welding in place will matter?

Thoughts?
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id contact the manufacturer for a new set of trucks before i remove and replace anything! most likely a manufacturers defect!

No kingpin should be loose, and I think every maker covers a loose kingpin under warranty. You could try fixing it yourself, or do what I did and use it an an excuse to use an inverse kingpin. Otherwise contact the manufacturer about a warranty claim.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Srt32srt on November 04, 2021, 07:41:45 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on October 14, 2021, 10:20:04 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on October 14, 2021, 08:54:11 PM
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I bought some barely used forged hollows and the dude didnt know they were ti's. I kinda don't like how light they are, would never buy, but they prob weigh what a Thunder Team Hollow does and those don't feel "too light"
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I feel the same way, would only buy them on a heavy discount or if they were part of a setup someone was getting rid off for cheap. They are great, but not life changing, and I couldn't convince myself to spend $80 on trucks.

only indys i will ride are the titaniums, got a brand new pair of 169ti for $40. if iwant a heavy truck ill go with ace which is superior in every aspect! once ace makes a hollow light or magnesium baseplate again with hollow axles they will have the ulitmate truck! but until then....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sketchyrider on November 04, 2021, 08:04:02 AM
Quote from: Srt32srt on November 04, 2021, 07:41:45 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on October 14, 2021, 10:20:04 PM
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Quote from: LebowskisRug on October 14, 2021, 08:54:11 PM
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I bought some barely used forged hollows and the dude didnt know they were ti's. I kinda don't like how light they are, would never buy, but they prob weigh what a Thunder Team Hollow does and those don't feel "too light"
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I feel the same way, would only buy them on a heavy discount or if they were part of a setup someone was getting rid off for cheap. They are great, but not life changing, and I couldn't convince myself to spend $80 on trucks.
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only indys i will ride are the titaniums, got a brand new pair of 169ti for $40. if iwant a heavy truck ill go with ace which is superior in every aspect! once ace makes a hollow light or magnesium baseplate again with hollow axles they will have the ulitmate truck! but until then....

i liked my 159 ti's for a while, but i started to notice they threw off my timing when i would ollie, my back foot would come off more often.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: baustin on November 04, 2021, 08:08:30 AM
Quote from: TwisT on October 16, 2021, 08:13:55 PM
Reddit hack for tighter trucks without ruing the bushings.
(https://i.imgur.com/SveSIVI.jpg)

Wouldn’t this be the same amount of downforce on the bushings as if you were to tighten them without all the washers though? Not sure how this would preserve your bushings. The only benefit I could see from doing this would be not catching and tearing up your kingpin threads on smiths.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dooky-shoes on November 04, 2021, 08:17:51 AM
Looking for a low wide truck. Something around a 9”.
I can’t seem to find that combo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on November 04, 2021, 08:30:46 AM
Quote from: baustin on November 04, 2021, 08:08:30 AM
Quote from: TwisT on October 16, 2021, 08:13:55 PM
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Reddit hack for tighter trucks without ruing the bushings.
(https://i.imgur.com/SveSIVI.jpg)
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Wouldn’t this be the same amount of downforce on the bushings as if you were to tighten them without all the washers though? Not sure how this would preserve your bushings. The only benefit I could see from doing this would be not catching and tearing up your kingpin threads on smiths.

If you want to find some people that don't know shit about skating, look for the people on Reddit trying to figure out ways to make their tensors super tight. Hahaha.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on November 04, 2021, 08:36:41 PM
Quote from: Dooky-shoes on November 04, 2021, 08:17:51 AM
Looking for a low wide truck. Something around a 9”.
I can’t seem to find that combo.

MiniLogo 8.75 is 47.5mm and they’re surprisingly decent.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Movies on November 05, 2021, 01:51:37 AM
Quote from: beandemon on November 04, 2021, 08:36:41 PM
Quote from: Dooky-shoes on November 04, 2021, 08:17:51 AM
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Looking for a low wide truck. Something around a 9”.
I can’t seem to find that combo.
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MiniLogo 8.75 is 47.5mm and they’re surprisingly decent.

Also check out Gullwing Shadows. Basically a low&wide Indy clone. Carves nice and pulls in the wheelbase the same as Indys. I think they're about 50mm high. I'm trying out an 8.5" set right now but they also make a 9". The aluminum casting is actually really high quality (cleaner than most Ermico trucks I've had). I've heard they're also made in the US but I don't know that for sure. Might be worth a shot.
(https://i.ibb.co/JsdzdPp/SHADOW-SILVER-PROFILE-818407ac-fe48-4a27-ad1d-bf53f6ad135d-2048x-04578-1621772239.png) (https://ibb.co/JsdzdPp)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 05, 2021, 08:46:07 PM
Quote from: Dooky-shoes on November 04, 2021, 08:17:51 AM
Looking for a low wide truck. Something around a 9”.
I can’t seem to find that combo.


Depends on how lo, bro.

Thunder 161s (9.1" and 52mm forged or 53mm cast, not 'low' but still sweet, especially at that width). Also, light. If you decide on these, let me know I've a got a lightly used set of forged hollows I'm willing to sell off if you are state-side/lower 48.

ACE 55 (9.0") classics 52mm (? Who knows anymore, they used be sold as 52, now ACE says 53). Not light...

Royal (new ones) 52mm 8.75: can't speak to how light, but if the 149s are any indication, they've heavier than thunder but lighter than indy

ML 8.75

The only really low wiiiide truck I would recommend are mini logos (usual haters will hate) but as noted above they are surprisingly good for low trucks (and they are the lowest of the low), or just a truck in general (skate / feel is like an indy style, carvey).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on November 07, 2021, 05:32:02 PM
pretty sure venture 6.1s on forged plates are 52mm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on November 07, 2021, 06:29:54 PM
Quote from: baustin on November 04, 2021, 08:08:30 AM
Quote from: TwisT on October 16, 2021, 08:13:55 PM
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Reddit hack for tighter trucks without ruing the bushings.
(https://i.imgur.com/SveSIVI.jpg)
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Wouldn’t this be the same amount of downforce on the bushings as if you were to tighten them without all the washers though? Not sure how this would preserve your bushings. The only benefit I could see from doing this would be not catching and tearing up your kingpin threads on smiths.

Exactly
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bombsaway86 on November 13, 2021, 05:03:35 PM
Back on Independent after a very long time on Ace because I wanted an 8.75” truck. Running stock tops, 90a orange conical bottom bushings, and no bottom washer. Doesn’t quite feel like Ace, but it’s pretty close.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Easy Slider on November 18, 2021, 03:06:45 PM
I‘ve been riding Indy 144s since my comeback mostly on 8.5 decks. The 144s are soon needing to be replaced so I wondered if I should upsize to 149s Indies or Lurpivs but I wonder if it will mess with my flick. What do you recon?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: STAH on November 19, 2021, 12:49:35 AM
Lurpiv 149mm, they come with built in washers on the hangar side, as well as attached to the bolt. I still put one extra washer on the hangar side of each truck to push the wheels out just a little bit more. Got spitfire formula 4 54mm conical full, with bones ceramics. Shit is NIIICEEEEE
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on November 19, 2021, 01:19:48 AM
Quote from: STAH on November 19, 2021, 12:49:35 AM
Lurpiv 149mm, they come with built in washers on the hangar side, as well as attached to the bolt. I still put one extra washer on the hangar side of each truck to push the wheels out just a little bit more. Got spitfire formula 4 54mm conical full, with bones ceramics. Shit is NIIICEEEEE

What is the turn like on those?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: STAH on November 19, 2021, 01:30:02 AM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on November 19, 2021, 01:19:48 AM
Quote from: STAH on November 19, 2021, 12:49:35 AM
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Lurpiv 149mm, they come with built in washers on the hangar side, as well as attached to the bolt. I still put one extra washer on the hangar side of each truck to push the wheels out just a little bit more. Got spitfire formula 4 54mm conical full, with bones ceramics. Shit is NIIICEEEEE
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What is the turn like on those?


I only got to skate them for about an hour. I posted about it in the "Oski's new truck brand" thread.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on November 19, 2021, 01:55:12 AM
Quote from: STAH on November 19, 2021, 01:30:02 AM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on November 19, 2021, 01:19:48 AM
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Quote from: STAH on November 19, 2021, 12:49:35 AM
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Lurpiv 149mm, they come with built in washers on the hangar side, as well as attached to the bolt. I still put one extra washer on the hangar side of each truck to push the wheels out just a little bit more. Got spitfire formula 4 54mm conical full, with bones ceramics. Shit is NIIICEEEEE
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What is the turn like on those?
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I only got to skate them for about an hour. I posted about it in the "Oski's new truck brand" thread.

Ok, I’ll take a look
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on November 19, 2021, 06:41:00 AM
Quote from: Easy Slider on November 18, 2021, 03:06:45 PM
I‘ve been riding Indy 144s since my comeback mostly on 8.5 decks. The 144s are soon needing to be replaced so I wondered if I should upsize to 149s Indies or Lurpivs but I wonder if it will mess with my flick. What do you recon?

Wider trucks are harder to flick, as a function of great leverage. 149 trucks fit 8.50 a little more comfortably than 144s, but if you find the 144s comfortable and easy to flick, and the size isn’t otherwise effecting your skating, a wider truck is not going to improve that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Easy Slider on November 19, 2021, 06:49:43 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on November 19, 2021, 06:41:00 AM
Quote from: Easy Slider on November 18, 2021, 03:06:45 PM
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I‘ve been riding Indy 144s since my comeback mostly on 8.5 decks. The 144s are soon needing to be replaced so I wondered if I should upsize to 149s Indies or Lurpivs but I wonder if it will mess with my flick. What do you recon?
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Wider trucks are harder to flick, as a function of great leverage. 149 trucks fit 8.50 a little more comfortably than 144s, but if you find the 144s comfortable and easy to flick, and the size isn’t otherwise effecting your skating, a wider truck is not going to improve that.

Ok thanks, I imagined something like this… I would hate to lose my flips that I have been working on so hard.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on November 19, 2021, 07:16:54 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on November 19, 2021, 06:41:00 AM
Quote from: Easy Slider on November 18, 2021, 03:06:45 PM
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I‘ve been riding Indy 144s since my comeback mostly on 8.5 decks. The 144s are soon needing to be replaced so I wondered if I should upsize to 149s Indies or Lurpivs but I wonder if it will mess with my flick. What do you recon?
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Wider trucks are harder to flick, as a function of great leverage. 149 trucks fit 8.50 a little more comfortably than 144s, but if you find the 144s comfortable and easy to flick, and the size isn’t otherwise effecting your skating, a wider truck is not going to improve that.


Agree with wider trucks being harder to flick.
As I’ve gotten older, I skate better/longer, on smaller setups.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on November 19, 2021, 09:56:25 AM
On paper a wide truck is harder to flick off of and I definitely notice that too. But personally for some tricks it actually works out better. Backside flips I tend to overflip so the wider trucks almost make them more controlled and folded. Similar thing with fakie flips. Switch flips feel a little more stable when setting up so end result is they work better too. Some tricks do suffer for sure though, sw tres, sw bs flips, fs flips etc.

I'd say generally its a bit worse for tricks you don't fully have or are trying to learn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: user18081971 on November 19, 2021, 11:54:42 AM
Sipped axle on my old indy’s ( I mean very old, unavoidable really.) and I feel as though an extra washer or two per wheel with race reds/any company who does that spacer-embedded thing would fix this. Or JB weld the small part of the axle that is visible behind the kingpin nut/top washer.
Thoughts?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 19, 2021, 05:37:04 PM
Quote from: user18081971 on November 19, 2021, 11:54:42 AM
Sipped axle on my old indy’s ( I mean very old, unavoidable really.) and I feel as though an extra washer or two per wheel with race reds/any company who does that spacer-embedded thing would fix this. Or JB weld the small part of the axle that is visible behind the kingpin nut/top washer.
Thoughts?

The "locked in with something" axles are the best option for not having to do too much else, but anything you do there might get knocked loose again with constant use.

Having Race Reds and washers as you said should stop the axle slip stopping the wheels from spinning freely, as well as the easiest solution long term, if you intend to skate them on a normal setup.


I know older trucks with axle slip tend to be easier as cruisers, or on setups that don't get a whole lot of axle hits, be it from flip tricks or skating normally and just having the board hitting things, so for me wider wheels and keeping them going on cruisers is the better alternative.  Given how well old Indy trucks turn, it is a good solution for me, but I know not everyone has too much stuff to be able to mix and match at will.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: user18081971 on November 19, 2021, 08:04:06 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on November 19, 2021, 05:37:04 PM
Quote from: user18081971 on November 19, 2021, 11:54:42 AM
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Sipped axle on my old indy’s ( I mean very old, unavoidable really.) and I feel as though an extra washer or two per wheel with race reds/any company who does that spacer-embedded thing would fix this. Or JB weld the small part of the axle that is visible behind the kingpin nut/top washer.
Thoughts?
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The "locked in with something" axles are the best option for not having to do too much else, but anything you do there might get knocked loose again with constant use.

Having Race Reds and washers as you said should stop the axle slip stopping the wheels from spinning freely, as well as the easiest solution long term, if you intend to skate them on a normal setup.


I know older trucks with axle slip tend to be easier as cruisers, or on setups that don't get a whole lot of axle hits, be it from flip tricks or skating normally and just having the board hitting things, so for me wider wheels and keeping them going on cruisers is the better alternative.  Given how well old Indy trucks turn, it is a good solution for me, but I know not everyone has too much stuff to be able to mix and match at will.
Thank you! I feel like an idiot having to repetitively tap the axles. I'm trying to make a ditch/atv board, need to find the perfect bushing combo though. I've seen the old ones and they looked huge.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on November 20, 2021, 07:37:21 AM
I had bad axel slip for years and so I now run the race red no rattle set up...I haven't had slippage since but I'm not fully convinced it totally works....I think trucks have for the most part gotten better.  It might be worth a shot though....the one pitfall I had was that a lot of companies have wonky cores....I've had the most success with bones....the set up makes your board go from sounding like a muscle car to a Nissan Leaf.... Which isn't for everyone....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on November 27, 2021, 09:18:36 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/8VUPKKrl.jpg)

Ti 159's on the inverted baseplates with Ace bushings, Array sleeved bottom washers and Ti kingpins 8)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on November 27, 2021, 09:22:57 AM
 low whistle
Where'd you get the fancy KP and washers?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on November 27, 2021, 09:27:42 AM
Washers from Muir skate. Kingpins from an online auto parts store that I forgot the name of...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bombsaway86 on November 27, 2021, 12:09:01 PM
Quote from: logjammin on November 27, 2021, 09:18:36 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/8VUPKKrl.jpg)

Ti 159's on the inverted baseplates with Ace bushings, Array sleeved bottom washers and Ti kingpins 8)

That’s sexy, I need to try this setup. I was really happy with the Indy orange conical bushings for a few days, then they firmed up. I ended up putting  my Aces back on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on November 28, 2021, 11:50:57 AM
Quote from: logjammin on November 27, 2021, 09:18:36 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/8VUPKKrl.jpg)

Ti 159's on the inverted baseplates with Ace bushings, Array sleeved bottom washers and Ti kingpins 8)

I don't even fuck with indy's like that but this some serious heat (https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/whew.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on November 28, 2021, 01:04:39 PM
Just replaced my Indy forged baseplates with the Indy IKP baseplates out of curiosity. Initial impressions are that I need to get used to a taller truck again and I hate not seeing the flush kingpin nut, but the turn feels so much deeper and sharper. I literally can’t wheelbite ~55mm conical fulls with what I believe to be medium-loose blue 92A cylinders and me being 165 lbs.

Does the Indy IKP baseplate actually change the turn relative to the standard baseplates? I know in my case I’m going from forged (53.5mm high) to IKP/cast (55mm high), so there’s no doubt a change there, but they feel more Ace-like now than I remember my old Indy standards feeling.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on November 28, 2021, 06:18:53 PM
If people want to replace their kingpin with a titanium panhead bolt of some sort, you want to find 3/8-24 x 2" UNF hardware. Most of this stuff is automotive. Here are some options. If anyone wants to take the plunge and tell us what works, that'd be cool. There are probably some Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals out there.

Allen:
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Tru-Lite-Titanium-Seat-Bolt-3-8-24-Thread-x-2-Inch,34338.html

Unspecified 6-point wrench size:
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Tru-Lite-Fine-Thread-Titanium-Bolt-3-8-24-x-2-Inch,33314.html

9/16" wrench size:
https://www.ti64.com/product-p/6076.htm

5/32"/5.5mm Allen:
https://www.ti64.com/product-p/6124.htm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 29, 2021, 03:02:11 AM
Quote from: babywantsbluevelvet on November 28, 2021, 01:04:39 PM
Just replaced my Indy forged baseplates with the Indy IKP baseplates out of curiosity. Initial impressions are that I need to get used to a taller truck again and I hate not seeing the flush kingpin nut, but the turn feels so much deeper and sharper. I literally can’t wheelbite ~55mm conical fulls with what I believe to be medium-loose blue 92A cylinders and me being 165 lbs.

Does the Indy IKP baseplate actually change the turn relative to the standard baseplates? I know in my case I’m going from forged (53.5mm high) to IKP/cast (55mm high), so there’s no doubt a change there, but they feel more Ace-like now than I remember my old Indy standards feeling.


I feel like the inverted kingpin baseplate works the same way as the standard baseplate, the only difference being you can't easily see how far down the nut is, which is a bit weird, but I think they still turn the same overall.

If you do the inverted kingpin right up so it is as deep in as it can go, then turn a full turn back, that should be the same height as a nut flush with the top of a normal kingpin.

You might find the trucks are tighter than normal like that, or that they are looser right now than what you had them before, but it is crazy how much 1.5 mm height difference means to wheelbite, or lack of it.

Curious to hear how they feel, or how much you loosen them off from tight in as well, but I would also mark the kingpin heads (just a dot with a black marker or something on one side) and keep an eye on it to see if it loosens off by itself at all, as they are prone to do, so said a number of people I know.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on November 29, 2021, 08:04:41 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on November 28, 2021, 06:18:53 PM
If people want to replace their kingpin with a titanium panhead bolt of some sort, you want to find 3/8-24 x 2" UNF hardware. Most of this stuff is automotive. Here are some options. If anyone wants to take the plunge and tell us what works, that'd be cool. There are probably some Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals out there.

Allen:
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Tru-Lite-Titanium-Seat-Bolt-3-8-24-Thread-x-2-Inch,34338.html

Unspecified 6-point wrench size:
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Tru-Lite-Fine-Thread-Titanium-Bolt-3-8-24-x-2-Inch,33314.html

9/16" wrench size:
https://www.ti64.com/product-p/6076.htm

5/32"/5.5mm Allen:
https://www.ti64.com/product-p/6124.htm

The only Ti bolts worth buying are the first one you listed on Speedway Motors. Unfortunately, the threads on the other bolts will extend up through the hole in the baseplate which will eat into your kingpin hole. Your trucks will get sloppy and won't snap back to center well.

Heavier people seem to have issues with IKPs, my guess as to why; standard bottom bushing cups have a lot of play. I feel a sleeved washer that fits snug around the kingpin like @logjammin is using helps to elevate the issue. At least in my experience it solved the issue, but I only weigh ~140 pounds, and I don't jump down big shit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 30, 2021, 12:56:16 PM
Quote from: logjammin on November 27, 2021, 09:18:36 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/8VUPKKrl.jpg)

Ti 159's on the inverted baseplates with Ace bushings, Array sleeved bottom washers and Ti kingpins 8)

Yeah, booooy!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on November 30, 2021, 02:36:14 PM
You have to run Ace bottom/tops with that Ti kingpin though, anything shorter and you have to tighten it down all the way and then you can still turn your bushings with your fingers because they're not secure. I then tried Bones bottoms/tops with no washers and it works, but I think it's gonna result in the kingpin breaking because it's equivalent to having a normal kingpin and cranking the nut down a fuckton like a n00b and then it snaps. Or maybe I'm wrong?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on November 30, 2021, 05:02:26 PM
Quote from: logjammin on November 30, 2021, 02:36:14 PM
You have to run Ace bottom/tops with that Ti kingpin though, anything shorter and you have to tighten it down all the way and then you can still turn your bushings with your fingers because they're not secure. I then tried Bones bottoms/tops with no washers and it works, but I think it's gonna result in the kingpin breaking because it's equivalent to having a normal kingpin and cranking the nut down a fuckton like a n00b and then it snaps. Or maybe I'm wrong?

I'd be impressed if you snapped a Ti pin. Keep at it!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on November 30, 2021, 05:53:23 PM
Haha, 235lbs and love loose trucks, it's definitely possible.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on November 30, 2021, 06:38:06 PM
Threw some Krux inverted kingpins in a pair of Indy inverted kingpin plates and they felt way too loose. Even all the way down. I have some Kreeper kingpins, would those feel better?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on November 30, 2021, 06:51:03 PM
Krepers are the heaviest option but yeah, they have the most threads and will secure everything nicely. I found the OG Krux kingpins to make the trucks perform weird.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on December 01, 2021, 02:00:51 PM
The original Krux downlow kingpins with the goofy washer do feel different. I think it’s because the washer doesn’t make much contact with the top bushing. The feel either got better or I got used to it after a couple sessions.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on December 01, 2021, 05:30:15 PM
Quote from: logjammin on November 30, 2021, 06:51:03 PM
Krepers are the heaviest option but yeah, they have the most threads and will secure everything nicely. I found the OG Krux kingpins to make the trucks perform weird.

The first gen Krux Downlow on Ace Classics bottomed out at like "Max Palmer loose". The Kreper kingpin is a meaty boy but yeah, the extra threads made all the difference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fakie varial flip on December 05, 2021, 01:00:45 PM
What trucks have the best pop?

Long story short: I put some ~51mm spitfire classics back on my board after months of much bigger wheels and randomly got my pop back on an obstacle I thought i'd lost the ability to ollie. I don't understand this at all. I'm on aces currently (classic 44) and want to find the trucks with the best pop for 8.25 - 8.5 decks. Especially looking for good pop on a pure street setup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: RichardBarkley on December 05, 2021, 01:09:31 PM
Quote from: fakie varial flip on December 05, 2021, 01:00:45 PM
What trucks have the best pop?

Long story short: I put some ~51mm spitfire classics back on my board after months of much bigger wheels and randomly got my pop back on an obstacle I thought i'd lost the ability to ollie. I don't understand this at all. I'm on aces currently (classic 44) and want to find the trucks with the best pop for 8.25 - 8.5 decks. Especially looking for good pop on a pure street setup.

Venture low on a short wheelbase
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fakie varial flip on December 05, 2021, 01:11:17 PM
Quote from: RichardBarkley on December 05, 2021, 01:09:31 PM
Quote from: fakie varial flip on December 05, 2021, 01:00:45 PM
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What trucks have the best pop?

Long story short: I put some ~51mm spitfire classics back on my board after months of much bigger wheels and randomly got my pop back on an obstacle I thought i'd lost the ability to ollie. I don't understand this at all. I'm on aces currently (classic 44) and want to find the trucks with the best pop for 8.25 - 8.5 decks. Especially looking for good pop on a pure street setup.
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Venture low on a short wheelbase

YES i've been looking for a reason to buy ventures anyway, I feel so validated
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on December 06, 2021, 01:11:48 PM
Is it worth the time and effort to lubricate pivot cups/bushings with soap or wax shavings to eliminate squeaking? Or will it just come back in a week
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: iw0 on December 06, 2021, 01:38:23 PM
Quote from: MysticalTypeExperience on December 06, 2021, 01:11:48 PM
Is it worth the time and effort to lubricate pivot cups/bushings with soap or wax shavings to eliminate squeaking? Or will it just come back in a week

i put some gulf wax in my pivot cups and it's been months. a little bit of noise but nothing like before. ymmv though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on December 07, 2021, 06:33:07 AM
I buy bricks of paraffin wax from the crafts store and dig a razor blade in and get some mountains of wax slivers and pour it into the pivot cups, then i rub both sides of my bushings on the wax and squeaking stays away for several months.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on December 07, 2021, 07:21:40 AM
Quote from: MysticalTypeExperience on December 06, 2021, 01:11:48 PM
Is it worth the time and effort to lubricate pivot cups/bushings with soap or wax shavings to eliminate squeaking? Or will it just come back in a week

When my trucks start squeaking, I put a very thin layer of grease in the pivot cup and on any other metal-on-metal contact point on the truck. A little wax works, especially if you're already out skating and you've got wax handy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 07, 2021, 07:32:10 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on December 07, 2021, 07:21:40 AM
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Is it worth the time and effort to lubricate pivot cups/bushings with soap or wax shavings to eliminate squeaking? Or will it just come back in a week
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When my trucks start squeaking, I put a very thin layer of grease in the pivot cup and on any other metal-on-metal contact point on the truck. A little wax works, especially if you're already out skating and you've got wax handy.

Same, I use machine grease and it works like a charm. For some trucks (Films, for example) it’s a night and day difference for me and the grease lasts a very long time
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on December 07, 2021, 09:13:36 AM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on December 07, 2021, 07:32:10 AM
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Is it worth the time and effort to lubricate pivot cups/bushings with soap or wax shavings to eliminate squeaking? Or will it just come back in a week
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Same, I use machine grease and it works like a charm. For some trucks (Films, for example) it’s a night and day difference for me and the grease lasts a very long time

When my trucks start squeaking, I put a very thin layer of grease in the pivot cup and on any other metal-on-metal contact point on the truck. A little wax works, especially if you're already out skating and you've got wax handy.
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I struggled for a long time to remember writing that first paragraph
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 07, 2021, 09:50:06 AM
Riptides cured squeaking for me, lube always wears out and I swear wax shavings makes my trucks turn worse.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 07, 2021, 11:04:57 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on December 07, 2021, 09:13:36 AM
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Is it worth the time and effort to lubricate pivot cups/bushings with soap or wax shavings to eliminate squeaking? Or will it just come back in a week
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Same, I use machine grease and it works like a charm. For some trucks (Films, for example) it’s a night and day difference for me and the grease lasts a very long time

When my trucks start squeaking, I put a very thin layer of grease in the pivot cup and on any other metal-on-metal contact point on the truck. A little wax works, especially if you're already out skating and you've got wax handy.
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I struggled for a long time to remember writing that first paragraph

Hahaha sorry, for some reason it got mixed up when I posted
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on December 07, 2021, 11:56:32 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on December 07, 2021, 07:21:40 AM
Quote from: MysticalTypeExperience on December 06, 2021, 01:11:48 PM
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Is it worth the time and effort to lubricate pivot cups/bushings with soap or wax shavings to eliminate squeaking? Or will it just come back in a week
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When my trucks start squeaking, I put a very thin layer of grease in the pivot cup and on any other metal-on-metal contact point on the truck. A little wax works, especially if you're already out skating and you've got wax handy.

I did some wax today on two of my boards. Seemed to eliminate most of the squeak. But by the end of the session on my Ventures it looked like most of the wax had worked its way out already.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on December 07, 2021, 11:59:57 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on November 29, 2021, 03:02:11 AM
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Just replaced my Indy forged baseplates with the Indy IKP baseplates out of curiosity. Initial impressions are that I need to get used to a taller truck again and I hate not seeing the flush kingpin nut, but the turn feels so much deeper and sharper. I literally can’t wheelbite ~55mm conical fulls with what I believe to be medium-loose blue 92A cylinders and me being 165 lbs.

Does the Indy IKP baseplate actually change the turn relative to the standard baseplates? I know in my case I’m going from forged (53.5mm high) to IKP/cast (55mm high), so there’s no doubt a change there, but they feel more Ace-like now than I remember my old Indy standards feeling.
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I feel like the inverted kingpin baseplate works the same way as the standard baseplate, the only difference being you can't easily see how far down the nut is, which is a bit weird, but I think they still turn the same overall.

If you do the inverted kingpin right up so it is as deep in as it can go, then turn a full turn back, that should be the same height as a nut flush with the top of a normal kingpin.

You might find the trucks are tighter than normal like that, or that they are looser right now than what you had them before, but it is crazy how much 1.5 mm height difference means to wheelbite, or lack of it.

Curious to hear how they feel, or how much you loosen them off from tight in as well, but I would also mark the kingpin heads (just a dot with a black marker or something on one side) and keep an eye on it to see if it loosens off by itself at all, as they are prone to do, so said a number of people I know.

Thanks for the info. I went very slightly looser than flush and skated them for a few sessions. The back truck stayed about the same, but doing slappy crooks repeatedly spun the front truck's inverted kingpin loose. I had a red curb paint mark as a reference and it would drift almost a half turn each session. Womp. Now I'm back on the forged plates and loving being back at 53.5mm, but feeling the cost in the turn and wheel bite departments. Truly a zero-sum game. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 07, 2021, 01:11:22 PM
Email NHS they will send new plates or trucks.

This seems to occasionally happen with Lurpivs as well. I'm sort of baffled as to how since all these companies use the same nylock nuts. My hyptohesis is that a standard kingpin compresses the nut under load and keeps it from spinning, but in an inverted setup the bushing pulls against the kingpin and if the angle is right can put a counterclockwise radial force on it. If the nylock isn't "firm" enough them it will rotate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on December 07, 2021, 06:23:37 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on December 07, 2021, 01:11:22 PM
Email NHS they will send new plates or trucks.

This seems to occasionally happen with Lurpivs as well. I'm sort of baffled as to how since all these companies use the same nylock nuts. My hyptohesis is that a standard kingpin compresses the nut under load and keeps it from spinning, but in an inverted setup the bushing pulls against the kingpin and if the angle is right can put a counterclockwise radial force on it. If the nylock isn't "firm" enough them it will rotate.

I think it may be that in an ikp setup, the kingpin and hanger act as a lever on the nut. In a standard kp setup, the nut is on the short end of the lever, so the forces aren’t as big.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 07, 2021, 10:12:20 PM
Much more elegant and better way of explaining what I was thinking, but that's what I was getting at. It seems like a problem you have bad or never have. Personally I might throw some blue loctite on rather than go through the hassle of getting new baseplates if it happens to my Mids, but they've been great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Brak Sabbath on December 12, 2021, 04:55:35 PM
Hardware store inverted kingpin experiment. Cheap, available, no shops around have the Krux kit. Used the thicker clay type JB Weld to hold the nut in the baseplate. The whole bolt wobbles slightly when turning the trucks by hand so it could be better but has been working fine for a month. Had a few sessions before filing the bolt head down. Ace 55 classics and stock bushings.
(https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY.jpg)
https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY (https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY)

Halp how do I post a photo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 13, 2021, 09:24:46 AM
Quote from: Brak Sabbath on December 12, 2021, 04:55:35 PM
Hardware store inverted kingpin experiment. Cheap, available, no shops around have the Krux kit. Used the thicker clay type JB Weld to hold the nut in the baseplate. The whole bolt wobbles slightly when turning the trucks by hand so it could be better but has been working fine for a month. Had a few sessions before filing the bolt head down. Ace 55 classics and stock bushings.
(https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY.jpg)
https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY (https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY)

Halp how do I post a photo
Quote from: Brak Sabbath on December 12, 2021, 04:55:35 PM
Hardware store inverted kingpin experiment. Cheap, available, no shops around have the Krux kit. Used the thicker clay type JB Weld to hold the nut in the baseplate. The whole bolt wobbles slightly when turning the trucks by hand so it could be better but has been working fine for a month. Had a few sessions before filing the bolt head down. Ace 55 classics and stock bushings.
(https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY.jpg)
https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY (https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY)

Halp how do I post a photo
(https://i.ibb.co/DwTjsFT/Picture1.png) (https://ibb.co/DwTjsFT)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on December 14, 2021, 03:08:07 AM
Quote from: Xen on December 13, 2021, 09:24:46 AM
Quote from: Brak Sabbath on December 12, 2021, 04:55:35 PM
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Halp how do I post a photo
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(https://i.ibb.co/DwTjsFT/Picture1.png) (https://ibb.co/DwTjsFT)

Haha wow, you just elevated my Slap experience. Wasn't aware of this and always hosted elsewhere. Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on December 14, 2021, 06:54:06 AM
Quote from: Xen on December 13, 2021, 09:24:46 AM
Quote from: Brak Sabbath on December 12, 2021, 04:55:35 PM
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Hardware store inverted kingpin experiment. Cheap, available, no shops around have the Krux kit. Used the thicker clay type JB Weld to hold the nut in the baseplate. The whole bolt wobbles slightly when turning the trucks by hand so it could be better but has been working fine for a month. Had a few sessions before filing the bolt head down. Ace 55 classics and stock bushings.
(https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY.jpg)
https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY (https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY)

Halp how do I post a photo
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Hardware store inverted kingpin experiment. Cheap, available, no shops around have the Krux kit. Used the thicker clay type JB Weld to hold the nut in the baseplate. The whole bolt wobbles slightly when turning the trucks by hand so it could be better but has been working fine for a month. Had a few sessions before filing the bolt head down. Ace 55 classics and stock bushings.
(https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY.jpg)
https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY (https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY)

Halp how do I post a photo
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All this time I was living like a goddamn animal, copying links from Imgur and using brackets with [image]
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: El Freegano on December 14, 2021, 09:11:12 AM
Hey pals,  I am looking for new trucks to be skated street only, ledges, manuals, small stairs 5-6 and flat. I have a pair of film and they turn and grind great but i feel them a bit high for my short legs. I also have a pair of the old royal lows, but the kingpin is sticking out and sometimes i do have wheelbite (i am skating 53 wheels). I saw some good review on the new royals and now i am in dilema between thunder 147 and the royal 139 (may be the standart kingpin, coz if the inverted breaks i will not be able to find such kingpin to replace it) What would you suggest?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 14, 2021, 10:33:24 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on December 14, 2021, 06:54:06 AM
Quote from: Xen on December 13, 2021, 09:24:46 AM
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Quote from: Brak Sabbath on December 12, 2021, 04:55:35 PM
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Hardware store inverted kingpin experiment. Cheap, available, no shops around have the Krux kit. Used the thicker clay type JB Weld to hold the nut in the baseplate. The whole bolt wobbles slightly when turning the trucks by hand so it could be better but has been working fine for a month. Had a few sessions before filing the bolt head down. Ace 55 classics and stock bushings.
(https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY.jpg)
https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY (https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY)

Halp how do I post a photo
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Quote from: Brak Sabbath on December 12, 2021, 04:55:35 PM
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Hardware store inverted kingpin experiment. Cheap, available, no shops around have the Krux kit. Used the thicker clay type JB Weld to hold the nut in the baseplate. The whole bolt wobbles slightly when turning the trucks by hand so it could be better but has been working fine for a month. Had a few sessions before filing the bolt head down. Ace 55 classics and stock bushings.
(https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY.jpg)
https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY (https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY)

Halp how do I post a photo
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All this time I was living like a goddamn animal, copying links from Imgur and using brackets with [image]

Me until about a month ago….
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 14, 2021, 10:38:46 AM
Quote from: El Freegano on December 14, 2021, 09:11:12 AM
Hey pals,  I am looking for new trucks to be skated street only, ledges, manuals, small stairs 5-6 and flat. I have a pair of film and they turn and grind great but i feel them a bit high for my short legs. I also have a pair of the old royal lows, but the kingpin is sticking out and sometimes i do have wheelbite (i am skating 53 wheels). I saw some good review on the new royals and now i am in dilema between thunder 147 and the royal 139 (may be the standart kingpin, coz if the inverted breaks i will not be able to find such kingpin to replace it) What would you suggest?

Every single truck out there would work.

At 53mm wheel size (is that all you skate, all time?) I’d go for cast plates.

Question is do you like to turn, ride loose or tight?

Ride tight: venture or thunder
Loose: indy mids or forged, new royals (which can be had with standard pins).

Can’t go wrong with any of them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: El Freegano on December 14, 2021, 12:42:51 PM
Thanks, Xen! I haven't skated thunders, but the team and the brand itself are dope. The specs look good except the kingpin clearance and the baseplate positioning. The royals look a bit more functional to me, 52 mm, good kingpin clearance and baseplate positioning, my only concern is the brand. I am used to slide with the baseplate. I have been mostly on ventures, but this year decided to try film and a homie gave me his royal lows. I was pleasantly surprised by the royals, coz i had 2 pairs in the early 2000s that broke quite fast. The lows are super for flip tricks and manuals. But as i said the kingpin is hanging a lot and i have to skate wheels smaller than 52, which i like but i usually buy wheels at 53-54 so i can skate them longer. Damn, i have to decide before the Christmas sales finish.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: animalflesh on December 14, 2021, 04:05:23 PM
Glass slipper setup

(https://i.ibb.co/3yL8s8Q/469-AAEA9-EA71-4-BDA-AD2-C-BF232-F1-E7147.jpg)

159 cast hollow
Bones mediums (black seem a little denser than white)
Riptide pivots
1/8 riser

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: big_kev_215 on December 14, 2021, 04:07:31 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/ckW94gp/C5-D64183-5215-428-A-BF76-C7-C186-CF8013.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ckW94gp)

(https://i.ibb.co/9vRFkWg/AEB4386-D-8-F15-41-BB-A793-A97211-AB789-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9vRFkWg)


Shoutout Riptide keeping our trucks from squeaking and also spreading holiday cheer
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on December 14, 2021, 04:08:00 PM
Quote from: Thom on December 14, 2021, 04:05:23 PM
Glass slipper setup

(https://i.ibb.co/3yL8s8Q/469-AAEA9-EA71-4-BDA-AD2-C-BF232-F1-E7147.jpg)

159 cast hollow
Bones mediums (black seem a little denser than white)
Riptide pivots
1/8 riser

I thought that Coda series was pretty sweet. Reminds me of Redwall and shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 14, 2021, 04:41:57 PM
Quote from: El Freegano on December 14, 2021, 12:42:51 PM
Thanks, Xen! I haven't skated thunders, but the team and the brand itself are dope. The specs look good except the kingpin clearance and the baseplate positioning. The royals look a bit more functional to me, 52 mm, good kingpin clearance and baseplate positioning, my only concern is the brand. I am used to slide with the baseplate. I have been mostly on ventures, but this year decided to try film and a homie gave me his royal lows. I was pleasantly surprised by the royals, coz i had 2 pairs in the early 2000s that broke quite fast. The lows are super for flip tricks and manuals. But as i said the kingpin is hanging a lot and i have to skate wheels smaller than 52, which i like but i usually buy wheels at 53-54 so i can skate them longer. Damn, i have to decide before the Christmas sales finish.

I'm currently skating the new Royals (never skated the brand prior and I don't subscribe to brand loyalty but to does it meet my pre-reqs) and they're really doing it for me. Important to note that I've left them stock...and I tend to fuck with my truck setups usually.

I love Thunders for pop-feel and height and weight, but loathe the wheelbite I get (I ride loose). Indy/ACE/ML/THEEVE/Tensor ATGs...all turn great..some are heavier, some are too tall, etc., the royals, for me, combine everything I like: mid truck, low/light pop feel, pretty light for a 'standard' and stable like a thunder and venture but turn better....not as deep as ACE or as wide arcing as Indy but if you ever wanted a smoother thunder or a venture that turns instead of having to lean, you will be very surprised...

Also, zero QC issues. At all.

RE: the bones bushing 'denser' comment, FWIW, I've always felt that the black bushings were superior in terms of break-in, over all feel and longevity.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 14, 2021, 10:15:35 PM
Did you fall out of love with mini logos? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on December 14, 2021, 10:34:36 PM
Quote from: Xen on December 14, 2021, 04:41:57 PM
Quote from: El Freegano on December 14, 2021, 12:42:51 PM
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Thanks, Xen! I haven't skated thunders, but the team and the brand itself are dope. The specs look good except the kingpin clearance and the baseplate positioning. The royals look a bit more functional to me, 52 mm, good kingpin clearance and baseplate positioning, my only concern is the brand. I am used to slide with the baseplate. I have been mostly on ventures, but this year decided to try film and a homie gave me his royal lows. I was pleasantly surprised by the royals, coz i had 2 pairs in the early 2000s that broke quite fast. The lows are super for flip tricks and manuals. But as i said the kingpin is hanging a lot and i have to skate wheels smaller than 52, which i like but i usually buy wheels at 53-54 so i can skate them longer. Damn, i have to decide before the Christmas sales finish.
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I'm currently skating the new Royals (never skated the brand prior and I don't subscribe to brand loyalty but to does it meet my pre-reqs) and they're really doing it for me. Important to note that I've left them stock...and I tend to fuck with my truck setups usually.

I love Thunders for pop-feel and height and weight, but loathe the wheelbite I get (I ride loose). Indy/ACE/ML/THEEVE/Tensor ATGs...all turn great..some are heavier, some are too tall, etc., the royals, for me, combine everything I like: mid truck, low/light pop feel, pretty light for a 'standard' and stable like a thunder and venture but turn better....not as deep as ACE or as wide arcing as Indy but if you ever wanted a smoother thunder or a venture that turns instead of having to lean, you will be very surprised...

Also, zero QC issues. At all.

RE: the bones bushing 'denser' comment, FWIW, I've always felt that the black bushings were superior in terms of break-in, over all feel and longevity.

OK wheelbite wasn't just me then even on my 51mm wheels. Everything else about the trucks are great, really impressed with the turn and pop feel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ImmanuelCunt on December 17, 2021, 03:54:58 AM
Anybody ever used a torque wrench for tightening the trucks? What id the order of magnitude of moment which is typical for tightening a kingpin? I am thinking of buying a wrench but I don't know the Nm range which would be suitable. I touched my kingpin and now I can't get my trucks feeling equal again (especially when they harden up a bit in cold weather) and it drives me insane and this might give me peace of mind.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on December 17, 2021, 07:56:45 AM
Quote from: ImmanuelCunt on December 17, 2021, 03:54:58 AM
Anybody ever used a torque wrench for tightening the trucks? What id the order of magnitude of moment which is typical for tightening a kingpin? I am thinking of buying a wrench but I don't know the Nm range which would be suitable. I touched my kingpin and now I can't get my trucks feeling equal again (especially when they harden up a bit in cold weather) and it drives me insane and this might give me peace of mind.

It couldn’t hurt to establish a baseline, but my feeling is that the bushings distort and change the feel of trucks so quickly that the measurements might not be useful for long.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mzlzzz on December 17, 2021, 08:09:26 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on December 17, 2021, 07:56:45 AM
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Anybody ever used a torque wrench for tightening the trucks? What id the order of magnitude of moment which is typical for tightening a kingpin? I am thinking of buying a wrench but I don't know the Nm range which would be suitable. I touched my kingpin and now I can't get my trucks feeling equal again (especially when they harden up a bit in cold weather) and it drives me insane and this might give me peace of mind.
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It couldn’t hurt to establish a baseline, but my feeling is that the bushings distort and change the feel of trucks so quickly that the measurements might not be useful for long.

since you have two factors contributing to the amount of force to turn the nut, you will likely not get meaningful results out of the repeatability offered.

1. On a conventional kingpin, damaged threads will require more force to turn the nut
2. Over time the bushings will deteriorate. When using the torque wrench, the reaction force from this will result in repeatable reads on the wrench, but this is also misleading because it is a Static event. If there are tears in the bushing, the force it can return to the hangar will vary due to the change in structure. The turn/lean is a dynamic event and the bushing may behave differently in a turn, even if it is subject to the same amount of dynamic compression indicated by the torque wrench.

The best way to get consistency out of trucks to skate stuff that is new, and set up the same way.

One thing I've found that really speeds this up, to where the truck feels identical to the previous broken in pair, is to disassemble the truck, clean all of the parts of the manufacturing lubricant, and reassemble with whatever you want.

I would also recommend doing this to replacement urethane bushings to remove the mold-release agent.

Cheers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ImmanuelCunt on December 17, 2021, 09:09:53 AM
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Thanks for the explanation. The dynamic of the process and bushing detoration sounds very reasonable. Just want to clarify that I am not looking for 2 different pair of trucks feeling identical but for equalizing 2 trucks of the same pair because I ride twin tails. By loosening the trucks I fucked up the symmetry in turn and I am unable to reestablish that. I guess I have to bite the bullet and buy a new pair of bushings instead of a 100 euro wrench.

On second thoughts, if I read your post right, I could justify buying both if I additionally buy a new kingpin (even better an inverted one as an investment in the future), to establish an identical starting point for both trucks with new bushings^^
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on December 17, 2021, 09:19:13 AM
Random german skateshop just hit me with the most amazing product for inverted kingpins. Anybody have it already?

https://www.skateshop24.de/10-reverse-kingpin-nuts-14mm-fixed-14

(https://www.skateshop24.de/media/image/6b/99/84/https-www-skateshop24-de-images-product_images-original_images-4251148702813_0-webp-JvF4.webp)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MaXX_I-D on December 17, 2021, 09:23:46 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on December 17, 2021, 09:19:13 AM
Random german skateshop just hit me with the most amazing product for inverted kingpins. Anybody have it already?

https://www.skateshop24.de/10-reverse-kingpin-nuts-14mm-fixed-14

(https://www.skateshop24.de/media/image/6b/99/84/https-www-skateshop24-de-images-product_images-original_images-4251148702813_0-webp-JvF4.webp)
It took me about 15 minutes to understand what these were. I felt very stupid.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on December 17, 2021, 09:25:34 AM
Someone explain this to my friend, who totally isn't me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on December 17, 2021, 09:30:54 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on December 17, 2021, 09:25:34 AM
Someone explain this to my friend, who totally isn't me.

You hammer it in like a normal kingpin, but it's just a nut that holds your inverse kingpin.

No need for jb weld or any of that. It's basically like the "shaft nut" in indy mids
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on December 17, 2021, 11:07:40 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on December 17, 2021, 09:19:13 AM
Random german skateshop just hit me with the most amazing product for inverted kingpins. Anybody have it already?

https://www.skateshop24.de/10-reverse-kingpin-nuts-14mm-fixed-14

(https://www.skateshop24.de/media/image/6b/99/84/https-www-skateshop24-de-images-product_images-original_images-4251148702813_0-webp-JvF4.webp)

Woah. Wonder if these could be found in the US at the hardware store? But how can they be hammered in without damaging the end of the nut....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on December 17, 2021, 11:09:36 AM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on December 17, 2021, 10:47:41 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on December 17, 2021, 09:30:54 AM
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Quote from: rocklobster on December 17, 2021, 09:25:34 AM
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Someone explain this to my friend, who totally isn't me.
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You hammer it in like a normal kingpin, but it's just a nut that holds your inverse kingpin.

No need for jb weld or any of that. It's basically like the "shaft nut" in indy mids
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Wouldn't you have to bore the baseplate hole out, or use a shouldered bolt like Lurpiv trucks do? I don't see how it's possible as the threads of a kingpin are fairly flush when sitting in the baseplate hole. There's no room for extra material. No?

You are absolutely right and now I'm really confused
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on December 17, 2021, 12:20:06 PM
Quote from: goodatmeth on December 17, 2021, 09:19:13 AM
Random german skateshop just hit me with the most amazing product for inverted kingpins. Anybody have it already?

https://www.skateshop24.de/10-reverse-kingpin-nuts-14mm-fixed-14

(https://www.skateshop24.de/media/image/6b/99/84/https-www-skateshop24-de-images-product_images-original_images-4251148702813_0-webp-JvF4.webp)

This shop (actually, mailorder with pickup option) is a five min bike ride from where I live. And I have a set of 169s with loose kingpins I could try these things out on. Will report back if I go for it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 17, 2021, 04:51:43 PM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on December 17, 2021, 10:47:41 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on December 17, 2021, 09:30:54 AM
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Quote from: rocklobster on December 17, 2021, 09:25:34 AM
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Someone explain this to my friend, who totally isn't me.
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You hammer it in like a normal kingpin, but it's just a nut that holds your inverse kingpin.

No need for jb weld or any of that. It's basically like the "shaft nut" in indy mids
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Wouldn't you have to bore the baseplate hole out, or use a shouldered bolt like Lurpiv trucks do? I don't see how it's possible as the threads of a kingpin are fairly flush when sitting in the baseplate hole. There's no room for extra material. No?


Yes I thought the same thing.

I had seen them before when looking at generic hardware options for boxes of axle and kingpin nuts, but in looking at the Indy reverse kingpin, the hole is larger than a normal kingpin hole, so I didn't go past just looking at the shape of them.

Always curious though, so if anyone wanted to get them and let everyone else know, that would be a good starting point.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on December 17, 2021, 05:13:27 PM
Those insert kingpin nuts are interesting. I think the technical term for them would be a splined sleeve nut, but the hex portion and nyloc are fairly unique. If the size is close, you could use a socket to hold the hex and another wrench on the kp to “draw” them into the baseplate. If there’s not enough room to hold the hex, you could put in a kp backwards for pounding duty.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on December 17, 2021, 05:52:12 PM
Quote from: goodatmeth on December 17, 2021, 09:19:13 AM
Random german skateshop just hit me with the most amazing product for inverted kingpins. Anybody have it already?

https://www.skateshop24.de/10-reverse-kingpin-nuts-14mm-fixed-14

(https://www.skateshop24.de/media/image/6b/99/84/https-www-skateshop24-de-images-product_images-original_images-4251148702813_0-webp-JvF4.webp)

Goddamn that's a good idea. In all my years professionally scanning McMaster-Carr and Tacoma Screw catalogs, I never saw anything like this, so I think it's safe to assume that it's custom made. I want a few bags of these.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on December 17, 2021, 06:57:08 PM
Quote from: ImmanuelCunt on December 17, 2021, 03:54:58 AM
Anybody ever used a torque wrench for tightening the trucks? What id the order of magnitude of moment which is typical for tightening a kingpin? I am thinking of buying a wrench but I don't know the Nm range which would be suitable. I touched my kingpin and now I can't get my trucks feeling equal again (especially when they harden up a bit in cold weather) and it drives me insane and this might give me peace of mind.
Here’s a systematic way to get your trucks even:
With your board stationary on the ground, step on one edge at the midpoint of your board. Whichever wheel comes up first - that’s the tighter truck. If the wheels bite before coming off the ground, then whichever bites last.  Mark the location of one of the points of that truck’s kingpin nut on the hanger with a sharpie dot. The dot goes on the hanger, not nut. This is a fixed point to use as a reference.  Loosen one point at a time -turn the nut counterclockwise until the next point of the hex aligns with your mark-until the trucks are even. Tighten/loosen both trucks to taste by using the same technique to adjust each truck the same number of points of the hex relative to a fixed point.
Versions of this technique are used in various applications. I think I first learned it servicing hydraulic fittings that called for tightening “‘x’ number ‘ffft’” - flats from finger right.

Edit for oops
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 19, 2021, 11:39:34 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on December 14, 2021, 10:34:36 PM
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Thanks, Xen! I haven't skated thunders, but the team and the brand itself are dope. The specs look good except the kingpin clearance and the baseplate positioning. The royals look a bit more functional to me, 52 mm, good kingpin clearance and baseplate positioning, my only concern is the brand. I am used to slide with the baseplate. I have been mostly on ventures, but this year decided to try film and a homie gave me his royal lows. I was pleasantly surprised by the royals, coz i had 2 pairs in the early 2000s that broke quite fast. The lows are super for flip tricks and manuals. But as i said the kingpin is hanging a lot and i have to skate wheels smaller than 52, which i like but i usually buy wheels at 53-54 so i can skate them longer. Damn, i have to decide before the Christmas sales finish.
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I'm currently skating the new Royals (never skated the brand prior and I don't subscribe to brand loyalty but to does it meet my pre-reqs) and they're really doing it for me. Important to note that I've left them stock...and I tend to fuck with my truck setups usually.

I love Thunders for pop-feel and height and weight, but loathe the wheelbite I get (I ride loose). Indy/ACE/ML/THEEVE/Tensor ATGs...all turn great..some are heavier, some are too tall, etc., the royals, for me, combine everything I like: mid truck, low/light pop feel, pretty light for a 'standard' and stable like a thunder and venture but turn better....not as deep as ACE or as wide arcing as Indy but if you ever wanted a smoother thunder or a venture that turns instead of having to lean, you will be very surprised...

Also, zero QC issues. At all.

RE: the bones bushing 'denser' comment, FWIW, I've always felt that the black bushings were superior in terms of break-in, over all feel and longevity.
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OK wheelbite wasn't just me then even on my 51mm wheels. Everything else about the trucks are great, really impressed with the turn and pop feel.

I don't have WB issues with the royals (51ish), my comment was referencing Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on December 19, 2021, 12:52:27 PM
Been skating some Venture 5.6 Ti's for a few months now w/ the the stock clear bushings and they're like the perfect truck for me all around. Light and nimble for flip tricks but stable and way less wheelbitey on hard landings

I did add riptide pivot cups and Titanium hardware, kingpin, and axle nuts just to mix/max everything even more.

Only thing that has me tripping is that one of the bushings is fraying alot while the other one isn't (https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/patrice.png)
I've skated these exclusively with twin tail decks where I match up the truck tightness so I'm unsure why one has so much more wear on it than the other. Both sides feel the same when I skate them though. It's really just the aesthetics that bug me. I'm pretty sure I spun it around you couldn't see the split side like a week ago, but it's either slowly rotated back or split all the way around. I would actually prefer not to replace these because I think the clear bushings are sick


(https://i.postimg.cc/L68xBC5f/IMG-0093.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: braksabbath on December 19, 2021, 01:53:18 PM
Is the washer cutting into it? Replace it with a flat washer
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DaSk8D00D on December 19, 2021, 03:41:36 PM
Quote from: braksabbath on December 19, 2021, 01:53:18 PM
Is the washer cutting into it? Replace it with a flat washer

That's what I was thinking at first, but I ran some flat washers from riptide and I didn't like how the bushing would look off-center after skating for a while. It looked just as bad as the fraying and it shows more of it as well, so I switched back to stock washers

I'm probably just being nitpicky with the aesthetics, but I am curious as to why one bushing would have so much more wear than the other when I've only skated them with symmetrical boards
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 19, 2021, 04:46:39 PM
Quote from: IpathCats on November 04, 2021, 08:30:46 AM
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Reddit hack for tighter trucks without ruing the bushings.
(https://i.imgur.com/SveSIVI.jpg)
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Wouldn’t this be the same amount of downforce on the bushings as if you were to tighten them without all the washers though? Not sure how this would preserve your bushings. The only benefit I could see from doing this would be not catching and tearing up your kingpin threads on smiths.
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If you want to find some people that don't know shit about skating, look for the people on Reddit trying to figure out ways to make their tensors super tight. Hahaha.

Lol.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 19, 2021, 04:49:40 PM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on December 19, 2021, 12:52:27 PM
Been skating some Venture 5.6 Ti's for a few months now w/ the the stock clear bushings and they're like the perfect truck for me all around. Light and nimble for flip tricks but stable and way less wheelbitey on hard landings

I did add riptide pivot cups and Titanium hardware, kingpin, and axle nuts just to mix/max everything even more.

Only thing that has me tripping is that one of the bushings is fraying alot while the other one isn't (https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/patrice.png)
I've skated these exclusively with twin tail decks where I match up the truck tightness so I'm unsure why one has so much more wear on it than the other. Both sides feel the same when I skate them though. It's really just the aesthetics that bug me. I'm pretty sure I spun it around you couldn't see the split side like a week ago, but it's either slowly rotated back or split all the way around. I would actually prefer not to replace these because I think the clear bushings are sick


(https://i.postimg.cc/L68xBC5f/IMG-0093.png)

I suggest a green bait and tackle flat washer. You won't have to tighten them as many turns. Purple seem to crack often if you don't leave them flush with the kingpin.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on December 20, 2021, 10:37:28 AM
Quote from: DaSk8D00D on December 19, 2021, 12:52:27 PM
Been skating some Venture 5.6 Ti's for a few months now w/ the the stock clear bushings and they're like the perfect truck for me all around. Light and nimble for flip tricks but stable and way less wheelbitey on hard landings

I did add riptide pivot cups and Titanium hardware, kingpin, and axle nuts just to mix/max everything even more.

Only thing that has me tripping is that one of the bushings is fraying alot while the other one isn't (https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/patrice.png)
I've skated these exclusively with twin tail decks where I match up the truck tightness so I'm unsure why one has so much more wear on it than the other. Both sides feel the same when I skate them though. It's really just the aesthetics that bug me. I'm pretty sure I spun it around you couldn't see the split side like a week ago, but it's either slowly rotated back or split all the way around. I would actually prefer not to replace these because I think the clear bushings are sick


(https://i.postimg.cc/L68xBC5f/IMG-0093.png)

Be careful with those Ti axle and kingpin nuts if you change shit around a lot as the nylock isn't A) as tall as regular nuts (meaning there is less of it because they are shorter overall) and B) it's much harder than the regular stuff used on skate hardware; they'll come loose or fall off (speaking from experience here).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 22, 2021, 03:15:12 PM

There are probably a million different truck size charts out there, but when I saw this one on an ebay listing, I thought it was actually pretty cool, so thought I would share:


https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/144019293764

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/srUAAOSwJoZgnIvM/s-l1600.jpg



(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/srUAAOSwJoZgnIvM/s-l1600.jpg)


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on December 22, 2021, 06:18:27 PM
does anyone run hollow trucks on transition only setups?
figured a heavier setup makes more sense for speed
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 22, 2021, 07:25:30 PM
Quote from: off on December 22, 2021, 06:18:27 PM
does anyone run hollow trucks on transition only setups?
figured a heavier setup makes more sense for speed


I skate with a lot of guys who have or prefer hollow or hollow + forged options, even if it is a tiny bit less weight, but for most of them, I don't really think it makes that much difference.

One board I had with hollow axles on Indy trucks felt exactly the same to skate as my other normal board (same everything else on both) and no one could tell the difference between the two, even just holding them up, but there was a slight difference when I put them on the scales.

For the bigger rides, I could see it making a little more difference though.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on December 22, 2021, 11:51:19 PM
Quote from: off on December 22, 2021, 06:18:27 PM
does anyone run hollow trucks on transition only setups?
figured a heavier setup makes more sense for speed

I doubt the weight matters in this regard. I do notice the difference between regular 169 and Ti especially when skating flat ground, but I feel it’s negligible for anything else. The setup I skate in the bowl has regular 169s and I don’t plan on going Ti once they wear down.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: big_kev_215 on December 28, 2021, 05:46:31 PM
I’ve been skating Indy Ti 169s for the past couple months and I’m really enjoying them.  I love the wide hanger in combination with the lower, forged baseplate. 

My question is - is the amount of clearance you get from the Indy inverted kingpin baseplate set worth it?  I’ve never really messed around with inverted kingpins but I do a lot of frontside slappies and smith grinds and seem to be chewing through the kingpin nut and kingpin kind of fast compared to the rest of the hanger.  Not sure if anyone else has had this debate - I’m wondering if it’s worth sacrificing the lower forged baseplate (looks like the inverted kingpin Indy sells comes with the standard baseplate) for the extra grind clearance. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 28, 2021, 07:56:26 PM
Quote from: big_kev_215 on December 28, 2021, 05:46:31 PM
I’ve been skating Indy Ti 169s for the past couple months and I’m really enjoying them.  I love the wide hanger in combination with the lower, forged baseplate. 

My question is - is the amount of clearance you get from the Indy inverted kingpin baseplate set worth it?  I’ve never really messed around with inverted kingpins but I do a lot of frontside slappies and smith grinds and seem to be chewing through the kingpin nut and kingpin kind of fast compared to the rest of the hanger.  Not sure if anyone else has had this debate - I’m wondering if it’s worth sacrificing the lower forged baseplate (looks like the inverted kingpin Indy sells comes with the standard baseplate) for the extra grind clearance.


Although the inverted kingpin does give a touch more clearance, it is only a touch, so not actually that good overall.

If you spend more money and get different kingpins with more thread, then they can sit lower, but the existing inverted kingpin setup only goes down so far, which for most people is not far enough to make it worthwhile.

The baseplate is taller, same as the standard, as you would have already seen, so not only is your truck going to sit higher, it is not going to have that much more clearance either, if the hanger is well worn.


The best alternative is cutting down your top bushings (take maybe 1-2 mm off in total) so then the kingpin can sit lower so you can pretty much get down to axle without having the kingpin nut catching or as per some people having it completely smashed to the point of it falling off, just from skating.

I can post "how to" pics and video if you need it, or just link it from the last time I posted it.

Others on here have been able to do it and keep skating til the hanger is in two pieces, so at least it gives you some more life in the trucks, until the very end, so to speak.



Edit:  I bought three sets of the Inverted kingpin baseplates when they came out, but from looking at them, I didn't want to set any up and neither did any of the others who I skate with once they saw how little it would actually help or work, so I kind of shot myself in the foot with that one, but the usual way I have been angle grinding down the standard truck kingpins after using lower top head bushings makes them work so well, I didn't need any other options.  It works the same way for hollow kingpins, be it on standard or forged baseplates too.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: big_kev_215 on December 28, 2021, 08:35:38 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on December 28, 2021, 07:56:26 PM
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I’ve been skating Indy Ti 169s for the past couple months and I’m really enjoying them.  I love the wide hanger in combination with the lower, forged baseplate. 

My question is - is the amount of clearance you get from the Indy inverted kingpin baseplate set worth it?  I’ve never really messed around with inverted kingpins but I do a lot of frontside slappies and smith grinds and seem to be chewing through the kingpin nut and kingpin kind of fast compared to the rest of the hanger.  Not sure if anyone else has had this debate - I’m wondering if it’s worth sacrificing the lower forged baseplate (looks like the inverted kingpin Indy sells comes with the standard baseplate) for the extra grind clearance.
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Although the inverted kingpin does give a touch more clearance, it is only a touch, so not actually that good overall.

If you spend more money and get different kingpins with more thread, then they can sit lower, but the existing inverted kingpin setup only goes down so far, which for most people is not far enough to make it worthwhile.

The baseplate is taller, same as the standard, as you would have already seen, so not only is your truck going to sit higher, it is not going to have that much more clearance either, if the hanger is well worn.


The best alternative is cutting down your top bushings (take maybe 1-2 mm off in total) so then the kingpin can sit lower so you can pretty much get down to axle without having the kingpin nut catching or as per some people having it completely smashed to the point of it falling off, just from skating.

I can post "how to" pics and video if you need it, or just link it from the last time I posted it.

Others on here have been able to do it and keep skating til the hanger is in two pieces, so at least it gives you some more life in the trucks, until the very end, so to speak.



Edit:  I bought three sets of the Inverted kingpin baseplates when they came out, but from looking at them, I didn't want to set any up and neither did any of the others who I skate with once they saw how little it would actually help or work, so I kind of shot myself in the foot with that one, but the usual way I have been angle grinding down the standard truck kingpins after using lower top head bushings makes them work so well, I didn't need any other options.  It works the same way for hollow kingpins, be it on standard or forged baseplates too.

This is the exact information I was looking for, I appreciate it.  Confirms my suspicions about them not being worth it.   If NHS makes one in the future with a forged plate that might be a different story (or perhaps a titanium Indy-mid in 169 haha) 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mvdbosch90 on December 29, 2021, 01:49:10 AM
Ok, I currently have some truck madness going on myself... I'm having a hard time deciding on wheter to skate Thunder Hollow Lights or Indy Forged Hollows.

When skating the Thunders, popping ollies and doing flip tricks feel easier and lighter. The board 'sticks' to my feet better when I pop, and flips are faster and I land them more often. Everything generally takes less effort so I can skate for longer or do tricks even when I'm a bit more tired. The steering on the Thunders is not bad, but not great either.

The first thing I notice when skating the Indy's is the steering, it's just so much more fun to just ride around on my board compared to the Thunders. Doing tricks is a little more difficult though... Popping feels a bit heavier, and my landings also feel heavier somehow. I can eventually get my flip tricks around, but everything just takes a bit more effort and I don't land them as often.

Have people been in the same situation, deciding between Thunder and Indy? What made you choose one over the other?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 29, 2021, 05:48:41 AM
I’ve skated both back and forth for a year.

The Indy’s are taller at 53.5 vs 51mm. I ended up getting Team plates to bring my trucks close to 53mm, they never sat the same height as the Indy.

For me it was splitting hairs. They have about the same wheelbase, about the same height, different turn, almost the same grind, pretty similar pop feel, etc. i would usually skate them on the same shape and the same spots and settled on Indys because I liked them slightly better for a few tricks.

If I were you it sounds like the Thunders are the way. You can try different bushing setups but they will never be exactly like an Indy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on December 29, 2021, 07:54:45 AM
Quote from: mvdbosch90 on December 29, 2021, 01:49:10 AM
Ok, I currently have some truck madness going on myself... I'm having a hard time deciding on wheter to skate Thunder Hollow Lights or Indy Forged Hollows.

When skating the Thunders, popping ollies and doing flip tricks feel easier and lighter. The board 'sticks' to my feet better when I pop, and flips are faster and I land them more often. Everything generally takes less effort so I can skate for longer or do tricks even when I'm a bit more tired. The steering on the Thunders is not bad, but not great either.

The first thing I notice when skating the Indy's is the steering, it's just so much more fun to just ride around on my board compared to the Thunders. Doing tricks is a little more difficult though... Popping feels a bit heavier, and my landings also feel heavier somehow. I can eventually get my flip tricks around, but everything just takes a bit more effort and I don't land them as often.

Have people been in the same situation, deciding between Thunder and Indy? What made you choose one over the other?

What width?
My opinion is that hollow stuff is mainly useful when riding something ‘not your size’. If I try and ride bigger than 8” wide trucks, I like hollows, otherwise, weight just isn’t a factor, for me.
I’d consider skating thunders, but the cast, not the hollows. Maybe a bit precious of me, but regular cast baseplates feel better, possibly due to familiarity, and feel like they turn better (the turning better part may be total bs, just my experience).
If it was my setup, I’d be considering sizing down, as bigger setups really fuck with my session longevity/and flips.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mvdbosch90 on December 29, 2021, 10:47:48 AM
Quote from: Ok on December 29, 2021, 07:54:45 AM
Quote from: mvdbosch90 on December 29, 2021, 01:49:10 AM
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Ok, I currently have some truck madness going on myself... I'm having a hard time deciding on wheter to skate Thunder Hollow Lights or Indy Forged Hollows.

When skating the Thunders, popping ollies and doing flip tricks feel easier and lighter. The board 'sticks' to my feet better when I pop, and flips are faster and I land them more often. Everything generally takes less effort so I can skate for longer or do tricks even when I'm a bit more tired. The steering on the Thunders is not bad, but not great either.

The first thing I notice when skating the Indy's is the steering, it's just so much more fun to just ride around on my board compared to the Thunders. Doing tricks is a little more difficult though... Popping feels a bit heavier, and my landings also feel heavier somehow. I can eventually get my flip tricks around, but everything just takes a bit more effort and I don't land them as often.

Have people been in the same situation, deciding between Thunder and Indy? What made you choose one over the other?
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What width?
My opinion is that hollow stuff is mainly useful when riding something ‘not your size’. If I try and ride bigger than 8” wide trucks, I like hollows, otherwise, weight just isn’t a factor, for me.
I’d consider skating thunders, but the cast, not the hollows. Maybe a bit precious of me, but regular cast baseplates feel better, possibly due to familiarity, and feel like they turn better (the turning better part may be total bs, just my experience).
If it was my setup, I’d be considering sizing down, as bigger setups really fuck with my session longevity/and flips.

I’m skating 8.5, both set of trucks are 149s. I’m about 6’2” (187cm) and weigh about 187lbs (85kg) I like the above average width for landings and it doesn’t feel too wide. I like the snappy pop of the thunders, but I really liked the surfy steering feel of Aces that I also tried for a while. I thought the Indy Hollow Lights would be a good middle ground, but they feel a tad heavier than I expected. Maybe I should give it a few more sessions to get used to the pop timing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hotdogsweatpants on December 29, 2021, 02:32:28 PM
Novice truck question here, hopefully I can explain it adequately.

I recently changed setup from

8.5 AH Eagle deck with standard Indy 149s

to

8.75 AH Eagle deck with Forged Titanium Indy 159s.


I expected the new trucks to feel tight relative to my old trucks, but they feel much looser! So loose I was getting speed wobbles just going in a straight line ha. I haven't adjusted them though and have just kept skating them, and they are starting to feel really nice.

My question is: does the distance between the trucks and the board affect how loose the trucks feel?  I have went from 55mm to 53.5mm (I think) by moving to the titanium Indys, which I thought might play a role.

Any info would be sweet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on December 29, 2021, 02:59:03 PM
I don’t think the difference in height is causing the looser feel. New bushings “firm up” as they break in and wider board and trucks act as a longer lever against the bushings, hence the squirrelly feel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: palelight on December 29, 2021, 03:10:51 PM
Quote from: hotdogsweatpants on December 29, 2021, 02:32:28 PM
Novice truck question here, hopefully I can explain it adequately.

I recently changed setup from

8.5 AH Eagle deck with standard Indy 149s

to

8.75 AH Eagle deck with Forged Titanium Indy 159s.


I expected the new trucks to feel tight relative to my old trucks, but they feel much looser! So loose I was getting speed wobbles just going in a straight line ha. I haven't adjusted them though and have just kept skating them, and they are starting to feel really nice.

My question is: does the distance between the trucks and the board affect how loose the trucks feel?  I have went from 55mm to 53.5mm (I think) by moving to the titanium Indys, which I thought might play a role.

Any info would be sweet.

Edit: Apologies, I thought you were asking about wheelbase, not height. What beandemon said was correct.

If you don't wanna wait for your bushings to firm up you can always throw your old bushings on the new trucks, pretty standard practice for a lot of people who wanna carry over the same feel. Indy bushings are interchangeable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on December 29, 2021, 03:57:39 PM
Quote from: hotdogsweatpants on December 29, 2021, 02:32:28 PM
Novice truck question here, hopefully I can explain it adequately.

I recently changed setup from

8.5 AH Eagle deck with standard Indy 149s

to

8.75 AH Eagle deck with Forged Titanium Indy 159s.


I expected the new trucks to feel tight relative to my old trucks, but they feel much looser! So loose I was getting speed wobbles just going in a straight line ha. I haven't adjusted them though and have just kept skating them, and they are starting to feel really nice.

My question is: does the distance between the trucks and the board affect how loose the trucks feel?  I have went from 55mm to 53.5mm (I think) by moving to the titanium Indys, which I thought might play a role.

Any info would be sweet.

Wider trucks have more leverage. The longer a lever, the less effort is required to move relative to the fulcrum.
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 29, 2021, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: hotdogsweatpants on December 29, 2021, 02:32:28 PM
Novice truck question here, hopefully I can explain it adequately.

I recently changed setup from

8.5 AH Eagle deck with standard Indy 149s

to

8.75 AH Eagle deck with Forged Titanium Indy 159s.


I expected the new trucks to feel tight relative to my old trucks, but they feel much looser! So loose I was getting speed wobbles just going in a straight line ha. I haven't adjusted them though and have just kept skating them, and they are starting to feel really nice.

My question is: does the distance between the trucks and the board affect how loose the trucks feel?  I have went from 55mm to 53.5mm (I think) by moving to the titanium Indys, which I thought might play a role.

Any info would be sweet.

Quote from: palelight on December 29, 2021, 03:10:51 PM

Edit: Apologies, I thought you were asking about wheelbase, not height. What beandemon said was correct.

If you don't wanna wait for your bushings to firm up you can always throw your old bushings on the new trucks, pretty standard practice for a lot of people who wanna carry over the same feel. Indy bushings are interchangeable.

Quote from: beandemon on December 29, 2021, 02:59:03 PM
I don’t think the difference in height is causing the looser feel. New bushings “firm up” as they break in and wider board and trucks act as a longer lever against the bushings, hence the squirrelly feel.


Both good answers!


Re bushings - yes the new Indy bushings will always feel a bit weird at first, but if you try to run them in, they will firm up and perform really well, compared to some people cranking them down and squashing out the responsiveness too soon.

I am always curious for people to swap over their old bushings and see if they can get them to feel the same, compared to just taking a few sessions wearing them in nicely, after which time they work so well.

As to the differences in boards, I have had both of those set up (even in those combinations) and the 8.5 eagle is a much shorter board, so everything is going to feel so much bigger and more "boat like" on the 8.75 board, but it is a touch lower so you have a little more response in ollies and of course much more turn until those bushings wear in.

I would pick the 8.75 over the 8.5 after trying both, as I am also about the same height and weight, but it is also down to how comfortable you feel on which size board, so I am interested to hear what you think after half a dozen solid sessions.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hotdogsweatpants on December 29, 2021, 04:29:22 PM
Quote from: beandemon on December 29, 2021, 02:59:03 PM
I don’t think the difference in height is causing the looser feel. New bushings “firm up” as they break in and wider board and trucks act as a longer lever against the bushings, hence the squirrelly feel.

Quote from: manysnakes on December 29, 2021, 03:57:39 PM
Wider trucks have more leverage. The longer a lever, the less effort is required to move relative to the fulcrum.

Thank you for these excellent answers, I did not expect the bushings to become more firm after breaking them in. 

To check my understanding: the height isn't making the difference in feel, it's the width of the trucks. Less pressure is required for the trucks to turn and this makes the trucks feel looser. If I were to size up again to a wider board and 169s, I would feel this effect even more.


Quote from: Mbrimson88 on December 29, 2021, 04:11:44 PM

Re bushings - yes the new Indy bushings will always feel a bit weird at first, but if you try to run them in, they will firm up and perform really well, compared to some people cranking them down and squashing out the responsiveness too soon.

I am always curious for people to swap over their old bushings and see if they can get them to feel the same, compared to just taking a few sessions wearing them in nicely, after which time they work so well.

As to the differences in boards, I have had both of those set up (even in those combinations) and the 8.5 eagle is a much shorter board, so everything is going to feel so much bigger and more "boat like" on the 8.75 board, but it is a touch lower so you have a little more response in ollies and of course much more turn until those bushings wear in.

I would pick the 8.75 over the 8.5 after trying both, as I am also about the same height and weight, but it is also down to how comfortable you feel on which size board, so I am interested to hear what you think after half a dozen solid sessions.

I don't plan on changing the bushings, I wanted to go through the 'new truck' experience so will just continue to skate them. Interesting point about the 8.5 eagle deck, my previous setup was the 8.25 eagle deck and the 149s and I preferred that to the 8.5 deck.

So far I am really enjoying the 8.75, feels so much more secure locking into the coping on bigger transition and it doesn't feel too big on mini ramp.

Quote from: Mbrimson88 on December 29, 2021, 04:11:44 PM
I would pick the 8.75 over the 8.5 after trying both, as I am also about the same height and weight, but it is also down to how comfortable you feel on which size board, so I am interested to hear what you think after half a dozen solid sessions.

Ha, I probably misunderstand, do you know me?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 29, 2021, 06:52:04 PM
Quote from: hotdogsweatpants on December 29, 2021, 04:29:22 PM


Quote from: Mbrimson88 on December 29, 2021, 04:11:44 PM
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I would pick the 8.75 over the 8.5 after trying both, as I am also about the same height and weight, but it is also down to how comfortable you feel on which size board, so I am interested to hear what you think after half a dozen solid sessions.
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Ha, I probably misunderstand, do you know me?


Quote from: mvdbosch90 on December 29, 2021, 10:47:48 AM

I’m skating 8.5, both set of trucks are 149s. I’m about 6’2” (187cm) and weigh about 187lbs (85kg) I like the above average width for landings and it doesn’t feel too wide. I like the snappy pop of the thunders, but I really liked the surfy steering feel of Aces that I also tried for a while. I thought the Indy Hollow Lights would be a good middle ground, but they feel a tad heavier than I expected. Maybe I should give it a few more sessions to get used to the pop timing.



Bugger hey?!?  *

Not the first time I have read over two pages and confused posts from different people.

No, I do not know your size and weight, as that was the other comment.

Carry on.


* Things sure do get weird online if someone starts quoting things you haven't said, or seems to know more about you than they should.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: juniormint on January 03, 2022, 07:45:13 AM
Quote from: mvdbosch90 on December 29, 2021, 01:49:10 AM
Ok, I currently have some truck madness going on myself... I'm having a hard time deciding on wheter to skate Thunder Hollow Lights or Indy Forged Hollows.

When skating the Thunders, popping ollies and doing flip tricks feel easier and lighter. The board 'sticks' to my feet better when I pop, and flips are faster and I land them more often. Everything generally takes less effort so I can skate for longer or do tricks even when I'm a bit more tired. The steering on the Thunders is not bad, but not great either.

The first thing I notice when skating the Indy's is the steering, it's just so much more fun to just ride around on my board compared to the Thunders. Doing tricks is a little more difficult though... Popping feels a bit heavier, and my landings also feel heavier somehow. I can eventually get my flip tricks around, but everything just takes a bit more effort and I don't land them as often.

Have people been in the same situation, deciding between Thunder and Indy? What made you choose one over the other?

Not to play devils advocate, but,
you could try chucking some 1/8 risers on your thunders. It really improves the turn…makes them a better truck imo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GBLange on January 15, 2022, 12:22:25 AM
anybody ever tried or currently using the Qwiktrucks quick release system?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on January 15, 2022, 01:49:11 AM
I started running indy conical 92s in my venture 5.6 hollows. It doesn't change the turn nearly as much as I thought it would.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 15, 2022, 04:01:06 AM
Quote from: GBLange on January 15, 2022, 12:22:25 AM
anybody ever tried or currently using the Qwiktrucks quick release system?

After watching the video of it giving extra weight and adding the equivalent of 1/4" height, I thought that was one amazing invention that will not be on any of my boards.

Ever.



That said, I am sure someone somewhere has a use for them.


Just not me.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on January 15, 2022, 06:59:35 AM
Quote from: GBLange on January 15, 2022, 12:22:25 AM
anybody ever tried or currently using the Qwiktrucks quick release system?

They cost more than buying a second deck to use with your second set of trucks, are heavy and tall as fuck. 

Hard pass.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on January 15, 2022, 07:27:07 AM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on January 15, 2022, 01:49:11 AM
I started running indy conical 92s in my venture 5.6 hollows. It doesn't change the turn nearly as much as I thought it would.

Your still dealing with the geometry.  You can ditch washers and roll bushings to get a bit more of this or a bit less of that, but the geometry is pretty fixed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on January 19, 2022, 07:18:55 AM
Can I get a truck recommendation? Need 8.5", and I skate larger wheels (56-57mm) so I prefer a higher truck. I would use risers if I had to though. I want a truck on the lighter side with some good turn. I was thinking possibly Thunder hollow lights with risers or hollow Indy's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on January 19, 2022, 07:41:09 AM
Quote from: MysticalTypeExperience on January 19, 2022, 07:18:55 AM
Can I get a truck recommendation? Need 8.5", and I skate larger wheels (56-57mm) so I prefer a higher truck. I would use risers if I had to though. I want a truck on the lighter side with some good turn. I was thinking possibly Thunder hollow lights with risers or hollow Indy's.

You really can't go wrong with Indy 159s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 19, 2022, 07:46:04 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on January 19, 2022, 07:41:09 AM
Quote from: MysticalTypeExperience on January 19, 2022, 07:18:55 AM
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Can I get a truck recommendation? Need 8.5", and I skate larger wheels (56-57mm) so I prefer a higher truck. I would use risers if I had to though. I want a truck on the lighter side with some good turn. I was thinking possibly Thunder hollow lights with risers or hollow Indy's.
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You really can't go wrong with Indy 159s

I've been skating the Indy hollows (cast, not forged) as of late and they feel perfect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on January 19, 2022, 08:05:08 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on January 19, 2022, 07:41:09 AM
Quote from: MysticalTypeExperience on January 19, 2022, 07:18:55 AM
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Can I get a truck recommendation? Need 8.5", and I skate larger wheels (56-57mm) so I prefer a higher truck. I would use risers if I had to though. I want a truck on the lighter side with some good turn. I was thinking possibly Thunder hollow lights with risers or hollow Indy's.
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You really can't go wrong with Indy 159s

https://destructotrucks.com/products/d1-squadron-raw-mid

At a massive 58mm, can’t forget about these.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on January 19, 2022, 08:21:09 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on January 19, 2022, 07:41:09 AM
Quote from: MysticalTypeExperience on January 19, 2022, 07:18:55 AM
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Can I get a truck recommendation? Need 8.5", and I skate larger wheels (56-57mm) so I prefer a higher truck. I would use risers if I had to though. I want a truck on the lighter side with some good turn. I was thinking possibly Thunder hollow lights with risers or hollow Indy's.
[close]

You really can't go wrong with Indy 159s

Why 159's over 149's for an 8.5" deck? Couldn't I just run 149s with a couple extra washers?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on January 19, 2022, 08:25:35 AM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on January 19, 2022, 08:05:08 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on January 19, 2022, 07:41:09 AM
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Quote from: MysticalTypeExperience on January 19, 2022, 07:18:55 AM
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Can I get a truck recommendation? Need 8.5", and I skate larger wheels (56-57mm) so I prefer a higher truck. I would use risers if I had to though. I want a truck on the lighter side with some good turn. I was thinking possibly Thunder hollow lights with risers or hollow Indy's.
[close]

You really can't go wrong with Indy 159s
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https://destructotrucks.com/products/d1-squadron-raw-mid

At a massive 58mm, can’t forget about these.

These look sick, I wonder if they turn good?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on January 19, 2022, 08:52:20 AM
Quote from: MysticalTypeExperience on January 19, 2022, 08:21:09 AM
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Can I get a truck recommendation? Need 8.5", and I skate larger wheels (56-57mm) so I prefer a higher truck. I would use risers if I had to though. I want a truck on the lighter side with some good turn. I was thinking possibly Thunder hollow lights with risers or hollow Indy's.
[close]

You really can't go wrong with Indy 159s
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Why 159's over 149's for an 8.5" deck? Couldn't I just run 149s with a couple extra washers?
That's what I do. That way I can ride an 8.25 or an 8.5 if I want.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Weezil on January 19, 2022, 08:54:40 AM
I'd just get indy 149 standards and call it a day. I don't think the hollows are worth it personally. Especially if you're running 56mm+ wheels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on January 19, 2022, 09:02:23 AM
Quote from: logjammin on January 19, 2022, 08:25:35 AM
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Can I get a truck recommendation? Need 8.5", and I skate larger wheels (56-57mm) so I prefer a higher truck. I would use risers if I had to though. I want a truck on the lighter side with some good turn. I was thinking possibly Thunder hollow lights with risers or hollow Indy's.
[close]

You really can't go wrong with Indy 159s
[close]

https://destructotrucks.com/products/d1-squadron-raw-mid

At a massive 58mm, can’t forget about these.
[close]

These look sick, I wonder if they turn good?

The regular Destructos I think are an underrated truck.  Never had any issues with turning.  I mostly have run Ventures and they are significantly surfier.  If you run loose though you may want to grab a set of their softer bushings.  Stock bushings are pretty hard
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on January 19, 2022, 11:49:23 AM
Quote from: MysticalTypeExperience on January 19, 2022, 08:21:09 AM
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Can I get a truck recommendation? Need 8.5", and I skate larger wheels (56-57mm) so I prefer a higher truck. I would use risers if I had to though. I want a truck on the lighter side with some good turn. I was thinking possibly Thunder hollow lights with risers or hollow Indy's.
[close]

You really can't go wrong with Indy 159s
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Why 159's over 149's for an 8.5" deck? Couldn't I just run 149s with a couple extra washers?

Sure man, get whatever. Both are great trucks. I like 'em a little wide but 149 works perfectly, too
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on January 19, 2022, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: Musicaldeath107 on January 19, 2022, 09:02:23 AM
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Can I get a truck recommendation? Need 8.5", and I skate larger wheels (56-57mm) so I prefer a higher truck. I would use risers if I had to though. I want a truck on the lighter side with some good turn. I was thinking possibly Thunder hollow lights with risers or hollow Indy's.
[close]

You really can't go wrong with Indy 159s
[close]

https://destructotrucks.com/products/d1-squadron-raw-mid

At a massive 58mm, can’t forget about these.
[close]

These look sick, I wonder if they turn good?
[close]

The regular Destructos I think are an underrated truck.  Never had any issues with turning.  I mostly have run Ventures and they are significantly surfier.  If you run loose though you may want to grab a set of their softer bushings.  Stock bushings are pretty hard

The destructo D1 you'd say is turnier than ventures?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on January 19, 2022, 12:29:33 PM
Quote from: logjammin on January 19, 2022, 12:07:26 PM
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Can I get a truck recommendation? Need 8.5", and I skate larger wheels (56-57mm) so I prefer a higher truck. I would use risers if I had to though. I want a truck on the lighter side with some good turn. I was thinking possibly Thunder hollow lights with risers or hollow Indy's.
[close]

You really can't go wrong with Indy 159s
[close]

https://destructotrucks.com/products/d1-squadron-raw-mid

At a massive 58mm, can’t forget about these.
[close]

These look sick, I wonder if they turn good?
[close]

The regular Destructos I think are an underrated truck.  Never had any issues with turning.  I mostly have run Ventures and they are significantly surfier.  If you run loose though you may want to grab a set of their softer bushings.  Stock bushings are pretty hard
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The destructo D1 you'd say is turnier than ventures?

Used Venture as the example because that's the stereotype of them not turning.
Take this with a grain of salt since I only have Indys on a cruiser setup but the D1s feel similar.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ol Nick on January 19, 2022, 02:52:05 PM
For any of y’all riding Riptide bushings in Thunders, which ones do you run? They give measurements in inches and it seems like their heights might be shorter than stock Thunder (maybe I’m trippin, I don’t know). Does it seem like a shorter bushing? Dropping the angle/wheel biting more/compressing to even shorter over time?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 21, 2022, 09:48:38 AM
Quote from: Ol Nick on January 19, 2022, 02:52:05 PM
For any of y’all riding Riptide bushings in Thunders, which ones do you run? They give measurements in inches and it seems like their heights might be shorter than stock Thunder (maybe I’m trippin, I don’t know). Does it seem like a shorter bushing? Dropping the angle/wheel biting more/compressing to even shorter over time?

I mixed and matched because the Thunder bottom bushing is fucking huge compared to all the other bushings out there.

TOP: RipTide KranK Short Street Cone (Color: White, Durometer: 87a) - same size as stock thunders

BOTTOM: Venom Pastel Blue SHR Super Carve Cones (86a) - NOTE: it's a bit taller than the thunder bushing but would compress down in short order (I sanded mine down a little, literally like 2min worth of shaving it down).

This was the best combo I found for Thunders as I feel the stock bushings are trash (they work but have crappy rebound).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 21, 2022, 12:50:56 PM
I’d consider even just running thunders and just get the riptide pivot cup….
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 21, 2022, 03:41:49 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on January 21, 2022, 12:50:56 PM
I’d consider even just running thunders and just get the riptide pivot cup….
seconded
did it back when i rode thunders
made everything 3x smoother
this with ace classic bushings was my jam
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: intendedreceivers on January 21, 2022, 07:24:12 PM
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Can I get a truck recommendation? Need 8.5", and I skate larger wheels (56-57mm) so I prefer a higher truck. I would use risers if I had to though. I want a truck on the lighter side with some good turn. I was thinking possibly Thunder hollow lights with risers or hollow Indy's.
[close]

You really can't go wrong with Indy 159s
[close]

https://destructotrucks.com/products/d1-squadron-raw-mid

At a massive 58mm, can’t forget about these.
[close]

These look sick, I wonder if they turn good?
[close]

The regular Destructos I think are an underrated truck.  Never had any issues with turning.  I mostly have run Ventures and they are significantly surfier.  If you run loose though you may want to grab a set of their softer bushings.  Stock bushings are pretty hard
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The destructo D1 you'd say is turnier than ventures?

They definitely turn, and they’re dirt cheap compared to many of the more popular options. They also feel very tall if you’re used to something that’s mid-height (or lower). I have them on the 8.125” Anti-Hero Eagle with 55mm F4 O.G. Classics and it’s the monster truck of my collection. I haven’t tried them with softer bushings, though. I’m trying to break in the stock black bushings and I like how they skate for the most part, but I think these would be pretty lively with some cushy bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: big_kev_215 on January 23, 2022, 12:47:03 PM
Did Indy update the design of 215’s at some point in the past couple years?  I was looking at some for sale online and the ones that still have the iron cross logo on the baseplate (which I assume are older) have a hanger that tapers on the ends and the back of the hanger looks thinner.  The ones without the iron cross logo (which I assume are newer ones) do not have the taper at the edge of the hanger and appear to have a thicker hanger towards the center of the truck.  I dont remember seeing any type of advertised update but I may have just missed it.  Never skated 215’s before and I was curious if there’s any noticeable difference in performance. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Plan9Customs on January 23, 2022, 01:53:46 PM
Yeah they changed the 215s to stage 11 geo a year or so ago. Running a set on my 10.25 now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 23, 2022, 03:17:32 PM
Quote from: big_kev_215 on January 23, 2022, 12:47:03 PM
Did Indy update the design of 215’s at some point in the past couple years?  I was looking at some for sale online and the ones that still have the iron cross logo on the baseplate (which I assume are older) have a hanger that tapers on the ends and the back of the hanger looks thinner.  The ones without the iron cross logo (which I assume are newer ones) do not have the taper at the edge of the hanger and appear to have a thicker hanger towards the center of the truck.  I dont remember seeing any type of advertised update but I may have just missed it.  Never skated 215’s before and I was curious if there’s any noticeable difference in performance.


I think they also changed the kingpin (now longer) to run more like the early stages, with taller bushings.

Someone on here was comparing them and their existing other Independent Stage 11 trucks were different in that regard.

The old old Indy trucks had such a tall kingpin, taller top and bottom bushings and virtually zero clearance.


I only have a set of the Stage 11 pre change, which are still the same as all the other Stage 11 trucks in baseplate, kingpin, bushings, etc so don't have any pics for comparison, but I can post a pic of the old trucks that look similar now.


This was the one I was looking for:


(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/304048949553_/Independent-215s-STAGE-11-Long-Board-Skateboard-Trucks.jpg)


https://www.ebay.com/itm/125109054153


(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bSEAAOSwtwph6Jxs/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 23, 2022, 03:20:36 PM
Quote from: Plan9Customs on January 23, 2022, 01:53:46 PM
Yeah they changed the 215s to stage 11 geo a year or so ago. Running a set on my 10.25 now.


How do you find the clearance on them?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: big_kev_215 on January 23, 2022, 03:42:33 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on January 23, 2022, 03:17:32 PM
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Did Indy update the design of 215’s at some point in the past couple years?  I was looking at some for sale online and the ones that still have the iron cross logo on the baseplate (which I assume are older) have a hanger that tapers on the ends and the back of the hanger looks thinner.  The ones without the iron cross logo (which I assume are newer ones) do not have the taper at the edge of the hanger and appear to have a thicker hanger towards the center of the truck.  I dont remember seeing any type of advertised update but I may have just missed it.  Never skated 215’s before and I was curious if there’s any noticeable difference in performance.
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I think they also changed the kingpin (now longer) to run more like the early stages, with taller bushings.

Someone on here was comparing them and their existing other Independent Stage 11 trucks were different in that regard.

The old old Indy trucks had such a tall kingpin, taller top and bottom bushings and virtually zero clearance.


I only have a set of the Stage 11 pre change, which are still the same as all the other Stage 11 trucks in baseplate, kingpin, bushings, etc so don't have any pics for comparison, but I can post a pic of the old trucks that look similar now.


This was the one I was looking for:


(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/304048949553_/Independent-215s-STAGE-11-Long-Board-Skateboard-Trucks.jpg)


https://www.ebay.com/itm/125109054153


(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bSEAAOSwtwph6Jxs/s-l1600.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/9bqq1TF/E60-A4-A3-A-472-C-4244-819-B-1560-AD17-F0-D7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9bqq1TF)

This was the comparison picture I was looking at which I’m assuming are the version from a couple years ago (with the cross logo) before the most recent redesign.  They do seem to have a lower kingpin and more of a conical bushing shape than the current ones.  I’m just wondering which geometry is better basically.  The newer (older looking? haha) ones without the cross logo remind me of old Indys from the late 90’s/early 2000’s with virtually no kingpin clearance which is kind of cool in an impractical nostalgic way. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Plan9Customs on January 23, 2022, 04:44:47 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on January 23, 2022, 03:20:36 PM
Quote from: Plan9Customs on January 23, 2022, 01:53:46 PM
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Yeah they changed the 215s to stage 11 geo a year or so ago. Running a set on my 10.25 now.
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How do you find the clearance on them?
Kingpin clearance is the same as all my others(159/169). I’m running 54mm wheels with 1/8 riser Indy super softs(f/r) shaved into conicals with the standard top bushing so they’re floppy loose. The bushings are taller for the top on these so a standard top will give you a ton of room to run them loose. Ie: bottom and top bushings on the new 215s are the same as running 2 bottoms now. No issues with hanging  up or wheelbite. Only issue I had was it felt like I was over shooting every grind trying to lock them but that’s what happens when you go from a 159 to 215. No complaints.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: globe fusion on January 24, 2022, 08:21:38 PM
ust jumped on and too lazy to scroll through all the pages.

am riding ace classics right now (44 on 8.5, stock bushings, no bottom cup), getting bothered by the stability on ollies.

am debating to switch to venture or thunder

what's the consensus on 6.1 on 8.5? or is 5.8 the way to go?
difference between light's and regulars? the lights are lower, and i believe the hanger is a bit far back, thus extending the wb.

how does the wb on venture compare to thunders?
the turn vs. thunder and ace?

or is af1 a better truck ?

if you have any other info, comments etc. feel free to reply or pm.

thank you for your time and help
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: braksabbath on January 24, 2022, 08:51:04 PM
What does no bottom cup do? Seems like it’ll be sloppier since the bottom bushing is able to mash out around the baseplate
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 25, 2022, 03:24:58 AM
Quote from: big_kev_215 on January 23, 2022, 03:42:33 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on January 23, 2022, 03:17:32 PM
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Quote from: big_kev_215 on January 23, 2022, 12:47:03 PM
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Did Indy update the design of 215’s at some point in the past couple years?  I was looking at some for sale online and the ones that still have the iron cross logo on the baseplate (which I assume are older) have a hanger that tapers on the ends and the back of the hanger looks thinner.  The ones without the iron cross logo (which I assume are newer ones) do not have the taper at the edge of the hanger and appear to have a thicker hanger towards the center of the truck.  I dont remember seeing any type of advertised update but I may have just missed it.  Never skated 215’s before and I was curious if there’s any noticeable difference in performance.
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I think they also changed the kingpin (now longer) to run more like the early stages, with taller bushings.

Someone on here was comparing them and their existing other Independent Stage 11 trucks were different in that regard.

The old old Indy trucks had such a tall kingpin, taller top and bottom bushings and virtually zero clearance.


I only have a set of the Stage 11 pre change, which are still the same as all the other Stage 11 trucks in baseplate, kingpin, bushings, etc so don't have any pics for comparison, but I can post a pic of the old trucks that look similar now.


This was the one I was looking for:


(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/304048949553_/Independent-215s-STAGE-11-Long-Board-Skateboard-Trucks.jpg)


https://www.ebay.com/itm/125109054153


(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bSEAAOSwtwph6Jxs/s-l1600.jpg)
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(https://i.ibb.co/9bqq1TF/E60-A4-A3-A-472-C-4244-819-B-1560-AD17-F0-D7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9bqq1TF)

This was the comparison picture I was looking at which I’m assuming are the version from a couple years ago (with the cross logo) before the most recent redesign.  They do seem to have a lower kingpin and more of a conical bushing shape than the current ones.  I’m just wondering which geometry is better basically.  The newer (older looking? haha) ones without the cross logo remind me of old Indys from the late 90’s/early 2000’s with virtually no kingpin clearance which is kind of cool in an impractical nostalgic way.


Yes those are the ones I have - still new / unused as I just don't have anything I feel like they would work well on, but they are not going anywhere so they can just stay there until needed, if ever.  Most of my bigger boards are just fine with standard 169s, but if I ever need the wider option, at least I have a set ready to go.




Quote from: Plan9Customs on January 23, 2022, 04:44:47 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on January 23, 2022, 03:20:36 PM
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Quote from: Plan9Customs on January 23, 2022, 01:53:46 PM
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Yeah they changed the 215s to stage 11 geo a year or so ago. Running a set on my 10.25 now.
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How do you find the clearance on them?
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Kingpin clearance is the same as all my others(159/169). I’m running 54mm wheels with 1/8 riser Indy super softs(f/r) shaved into conicals with the standard top bushing so they’re floppy loose. The bushings are taller for the top on these so a standard top will give you a ton of room to run them loose. Ie: bottom and top bushings on the new 215s are the same as running 2 bottoms now. No issues with hanging  up or wheelbite. Only issue I had was it felt like I was over shooting every grind trying to lock them but that’s what happens when you go from a 159 to 215. No complaints.


Thanks!

Interesting info.

I seem to recall the new ones having almost zero kingpin clearance, as per a set I saw in a shop the other day with no front cross logo, but all my normal Indy Stage 11s have a ton of clearance, including the set of Stage 11 215s I had from when they were still stamped with USA on the baseplate.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 25, 2022, 03:31:31 AM
Quote from: braksabbath on January 24, 2022, 08:51:04 PM
What does no bottom cup do? Seems like it’ll be sloppier since the bottom bushing is able to mash out around the baseplate


As in no bottom washer?

Try it and see.

It is a whole new world of crazy carving turns and great on bowls or pump tracks but a little harder to control or get used to if you are skating normal street things as you are totally more prone to wheelbite and all that.

Quite a few of the bowl kids ride that as their standard go to, as well as being able to skate street on them as well, but they are pretty small light weight bodies, for the most part.  Some other bigger dudes also skate like that as they are very much in control of ankle movements, but it can take some getting used to for sure.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: disclosed on January 25, 2022, 11:39:31 AM
about the 215's, wasn't the rumor that the old mold broke or something i remember.
they didnt make them for a long time, then in late 2019/early 2020 the started to produce them again with this new shape. first in small batches that sold out instantly every time. i guess those were like test runs. but since last year or so they've been well stocked again.

they didn't remover the iron cross at the same time as the remodel tho. mine have them and my friends do aswell.

i think the whole baseplate was taller than normal stage 11's. not only the bushings. i think the truck might be higher in general to compensate the width.
i take that back. just checked.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 25, 2022, 02:27:55 PM
Quote from: disclosed on January 25, 2022, 11:39:31 AM
about the 215's, wasn't the rumor that the old mold broke or something i remember.
they didnt make them for a long time, then in late 2019/early 2020 the started to produce them again with this new shape. first in small batches that sold out instantly every time. i guess those were like test runs. but since last year or so they've been well stocked again.

they didn't remover the iron cross at the same time as the remodel tho. mine have them and my friends do aswell.

i think the whole baseplate was taller than normal stage 11's. not only the bushings. i think the truck might be higher in general to compensate the width.
i take that back. just checked.


It was crazy how many people wanted 215s when they stopped making them.

The last couple of sets I had went to "megaramp" kids who all were told they had to have 215s to ride the big megaramp setup down in Victoria (Australia only has one megaramp) but many were getting away with 169s anyway as they really didn't need super wide trucks for the beginner levels (which was no joke any which way you looked at it).

That also left all the regular 215 riders struggling to find any, but I think a number of those guys ended up getting the widest Ace trucks, just to get them through.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 26, 2022, 08:36:47 AM
Just got these 159s in a trade. Typically I run blue medium barrel or Bones hard in Indys, but I had a set of Ace low bushings around and decided to try them out.

I've always accepted that a lot of the Ace turn comes from the bushings, but damn if these don't turn exactly like a 44 classic. Been loving Indy for the grind and pop feel, but this resolves a lot of things for me.

(https://i.imgur.com/B0EqHKE.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on January 26, 2022, 12:23:17 PM
I replaced some blown out Indy medium bushings with some well used Ace from my broken 44s and they work really well. It wasn’t night and day for me but it was a solid choice, the turn was still great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on January 26, 2022, 03:46:40 PM
Forged IKP baseplates are going out to a few folks now.
(https://i.ibb.co/kQKFjxV/218-B61-A3-290-F-4-D86-9-C5-D-3100-AC3977-F8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kQKFjxV)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 26, 2022, 07:20:19 PM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on January 26, 2022, 03:46:40 PM
Forged IKP baseplates are going out to a few folks now.
(https://i.ibb.co/kQKFjxV/218-B61-A3-290-F-4-D86-9-C5-D-3100-AC3977-F8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kQKFjxV)


About time! Smells like ti mids...50/51mm

Quote from: manysnakes on January 26, 2022, 12:23:17 PM
I replaced some blown out Indy medium bushings with some well used Ace from my broken 44s and they work really well. It wasn’t night and day for me but it was a solid choice, the turn was still great.

ANY truck that uses a barrel bushing is better with ACE dual Duro bushings (but with a low top) no question (looking at you Venture people who want a bit more turn); you can get away with using dual duro Indy bushings as well, but I feel the ACE bushings are higher quality. That said, last time I rode indys (ti 149s) I had bones med and they felt great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Silky Johnson on January 27, 2022, 04:59:56 PM
Anyone have any tips on shaving down bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on January 27, 2022, 05:37:17 PM
Quote from: big_kev_215 on January 23, 2022, 12:47:03 PM
Did Indy update the design of 215’s at some point in the past couple years?  I was looking at some for sale online and the ones that still have the iron cross logo on the baseplate (which I assume are older) have a hanger that tapers on the ends and the back of the hanger looks thinner.  The ones without the iron cross logo (which I assume are newer ones) do not have the taper at the edge of the hanger and appear to have a thicker hanger towards the center of the truck.  I dont remember seeing any type of advertised update but I may have just missed it.  Never skated 215’s before and I was curious if there’s any noticeable difference in performance.

In my experience the old 215s didn't turn well at all. I hear the new ones turn way better now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on January 27, 2022, 06:14:16 PM
Wide ass trucks handle like  boats no matter what. You don’t turn with them, you bring her about.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 28, 2022, 06:25:07 AM
Quote from: Silky Johnson on January 27, 2022, 04:59:56 PM
Anyone have any tips on shaving down bushings?

IMO the easiest way was to take an old board and rub the bottom up and down the center and measure with calipers every now and then. I've tried it with sandpaper and sanding blocks before, but the balance of speed and control going up and down the board center was the most efficient way. If you do it, wear a pair of rubber dipped work gloves.

Also, @Mbrimson88 (sorry to keep tagging you) posted this IG story a while back about how to cut your bushings that I have yet to try:

https://www.instagram.com/stories/highlights/18116186356129610/ (https://www.instagram.com/stories/highlights/18116186356129610/)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: spicysk8rboi on January 28, 2022, 06:54:39 AM
Quote from: Xen on January 26, 2022, 07:20:19 PM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on January 26, 2022, 03:46:40 PM
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Forged IKP baseplates are going out to a few folks now.
(https://i.ibb.co/kQKFjxV/218-B61-A3-290-F-4-D86-9-C5-D-3100-AC3977-F8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kQKFjxV)





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About time! Smells like ti mids...50/51mm

Quote from: manysnakes on January 26, 2022, 12:23:17 PM
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I replaced some blown out Indy medium bushings with some well used Ace from my broken 44s and they work really well. It wasn’t night and day for me but it was a solid choice, the turn was still great.
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ANY truck that uses a barrel bushing is better with ACE dual Duro bushings (but with a low top) no question (looking at you Venture people who want a bit more turn); you can get away with using dual duro Indy bushings as well, but I feel the ACE bushings are higher quality. That said, last time I rode indys (ti 149s) I had bones med and they felt great.



wouldn’t this put it closer to the forged truck height with ti hangars, 53.5mm?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on January 28, 2022, 07:03:25 AM
No, because the hanger is the difference between Mids and Regular. This would lower them by 1.5mm, making them 50.5
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 28, 2022, 07:30:28 AM
Quote from: beandemon on January 27, 2022, 06:14:16 PM
Wide ass trucks handle like  boats no matter what. You don’t turn with them, you bring her about.

nice
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on January 28, 2022, 07:33:03 AM
Quote from: beandemon on January 27, 2022, 06:14:16 PM
Wide ass trucks handle like  boats no matter what. You don’t turn with them, you bring her about.

(http://c.tenor.com/MAp-nfl9t2cAAAAC/tugboat-wwf.gif]http://c.tenor.com/MAp-nfl9t2cAAAAC/tugboat-wwf.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 28, 2022, 03:11:00 PM
Quote from: Macho Taildrop on January 28, 2022, 06:25:07 AM
Quote from: Silky Johnson on January 27, 2022, 04:59:56 PM
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Anyone have any tips on shaving down bushings?
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IMO the easiest way was to take an old board and rub the bottom up and down the center and measure with calipers every now and then. I've tried it with sandpaper and sanding blocks before, but the balance of speed and control going up and down the board center was the most efficient way. If you do it, wear a pair of rubber dipped work gloves.

Also, @Mbrimson88 (sorry to keep tagging you) posted this IG story a while back about how to cut your bushings that I have yet to try:

https://www.instagram.com/stories/highlights/18116186356129610/ (https://www.instagram.com/stories/highlights/18116186356129610/)


Always happy to help.

That is the sole reason for putting up all the "Fix it" or "How to" type posts.

If anyone can benefit from those posts, being able to change things up without having a blow out or destroying their product, then I am all for it.


It is also funny how many bushings when they get older compress down and by putting the cut off bit back in, it almost brings new life to the bushings again.  Not always, but it has definitely worked on some sets, re using the older parts in other trucks with blown out bushings.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mvdbosch90 on January 29, 2022, 08:15:29 AM
I’m currently on a pair of Indy 149 Titanium’s. I really like them, perfect balance between good, fun steering, but still low weight. The only thing I’m still looking into is the bushings. Stock bushings are good, but I’m looking for something that will make them spring back a little more, likt he Ace bushings do. Has anyone tried Ace bushings in Indy trucks? I believe they’re a bit large, does anyone know if the Ace Low Bushings work? Or another combination of bushings perhaps? :)

I’m currently using Indy stock as bottom bushing, and a bones hard (without the washer) on top. This already makes it spring back a little better :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on January 29, 2022, 09:41:07 AM
Quote from: mvdbosch90 on January 29, 2022, 08:15:29 AM
I’m currently on a pair of Indy 149 Titanium’s. I really like them, perfect balance between good, fun steering, but still low weight. The only thing I’m still looking into is the bushings. Stock bushings are good, but I’m looking for something that will make them spring back a little more, likt he Ace bushings do. Has anyone tried Ace bushings in Indy trucks? I believe they’re a bit large, does anyone know if the Ace Low Bushings work? Or another combination of bushings perhaps? :)

I’m currently using Indy stock as bottom bushing, and a bones hard (without the washer) on top. This already makes it spring back a little better :)

Ace bushings are great in Indy's, probably the best possible turn you can have other than actual Ace trucks. Ran Ace bushings for a while in my Indy's, but kept stock ones on the last pair I bought, but would definitely switch back, the combo was awesome.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 29, 2022, 11:16:00 AM
Quote from: mvdbosch90 on January 29, 2022, 08:15:29 AM
I’m currently on a pair of Indy 149 Titanium’s. I really like them, perfect balance between good, fun steering, but still low weight. The only thing I’m still looking into is the bushings. Stock bushings are good, but I’m looking for something that will make them spring back a little more, likt he Ace bushings do. Has anyone tried Ace bushings in Indy trucks? I believe they’re a bit large, does anyone know if the Ace Low Bushings work? Or another combination of bushings perhaps? :)

I’m currently using Indy stock as bottom bushing, and a bones hard (without the washer) on top. This already makes it spring back a little better :)

Apologies for the gratuitous self-quote, but...

Quote from: Macho Taildrop on January 26, 2022, 08:36:47 AM
Just got these 159s in a trade. Typically I run blue medium barrel or Bones hard in Indys, but I had a set of Ace low bushings around and decided to try them out.

I've always accepted that a lot of the Ace turn comes from the bushings, but damn if these don't turn exactly like a 44 classic. Been loving Indy for the grind and pop feel, but this resolves a lot of things for me.

(https://i.imgur.com/B0EqHKE.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 29, 2022, 12:52:25 PM
People are starting to like Indy’s again?  Maybe the pandemic IS over…….
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 29, 2022, 06:05:31 PM
Quote from: Macho Taildrop on January 26, 2022, 08:36:47 AM
Just got these 159s in a trade. Typically I run blue medium barrel or Bones hard in Indys, but I had a set of Ace low bushings around and decided to try them out.

I've always accepted that a lot of the Ace turn comes from the bushings, but damn if these don't turn exactly like a 44 classic. Been loving Indy for the grind and pop feel, but this resolves a lot of things for me.

(https://i.imgur.com/B0EqHKE.jpg)

The ACE low bottom is just a hair shorter than the indy aftermarkets which are a hair shorter than stock indy bushings....I honestly didn't notice a different in turn using them; they're about the 'compressed' size anyway.

Quote from: j....soy..... on January 29, 2022, 12:52:25 PM
People are starting to like Indy’s again?  Maybe the pandemic IS over…….

I think the majority of slap rides Indy, they're just not the vocal minorities.

Was skating my 159s at a bowl the other day, felt great for that application.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mvdbosch90 on January 30, 2022, 11:51:59 AM
Thanks for the tips :) The Ace Low bushings seem difficult to find, especially in Europe. I think I’ll try to get my hands on the  regular aftermarket Ace bushings and sand/cut them to the right size!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on January 30, 2022, 01:27:05 PM
Quote from: mvdbosch90 on January 30, 2022, 11:51:59 AM
Thanks for the tips :) The Ace Low bushings seem difficult to find, especially in Europe. I think I’ll try to get my hands on the  regular aftermarket Ace bushings and sand/cut them to the right size!

The bottom bushing of the Ace classics is actually perfect for most trucks, it's the top that is quite a bit taller than normal, so you should only have to shave that one down. The perfect combo is actually a classic bottom bushing, and a 'low' top bushing. I would try 'em stock before you mod, especially if you don't ride that loose it might work out. Also, the bottom bushing is 85% of the magic, so you can try that with whatever you would normally use for the top for very similar results. I fully agree with all the praise, they are great bushings, it's like a whole new urethane formula, the F4 of bushings if you will. The new Royal bushings are similar, but I don't think they're available without getting the trucks.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 01, 2022, 02:09:11 PM
Assuming the same deck and wheels is there an online tool where you can calculate the angle of the deck when the tail hits the ground? Theoretically if a brand has forged plates that lower the trucks about the same distance as the total WB extension I would assume the tail would hit about the same time. Would be interesting to toy with to see which trucks create the same overall board angle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bunk Moreland on February 01, 2022, 03:10:47 PM
You’re not popping with the same power in your leg each time. None of this matters.

I bought 5.6 ventures because I sized up. I will run them stock with 2 threads showing; the same as I’ve always run them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 01, 2022, 04:45:48 PM
It actually does, because the force required to hit the ground is likely near identical, however, maybe balance over the front matters? Just an interesting thought exercise (for me).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hiljentaa on February 02, 2022, 08:47:07 AM
Indy Ti users, have you experienced axle slip?

I have thicker speedrings on the inside and stock thin ones on the bolt side. Makes the axle nut flush with the end of the axle with just a tiny bit of wheel-play normally.

I land primo more often than I'd like to admit, and the right side of both of my axles now bind with that setup somewhat often, while the left side has more wheel-play.

Bummed. Should I reach out to NHS? How do I prove it to them?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on February 02, 2022, 08:56:04 AM
Quote from: hiljentaa on February 02, 2022, 08:47:07 AM
Indy Ti users, have you experienced axle slip?

I have thicker speedrings on the inside and stock thin ones on the bolt side. Makes the axle nut flush with the end of the axle with just a tiny bit of wheel-play normally.

I land primo more often than I'd like to admit, and the right side of both of my axles now bind with that setup somewhat often, while the left side has more wheel-play.

Bummed. Should I reach out to NHS? How do I prove it to them?

I had a really bad set of standards when they first made the move to China. Axle slip, bushings cracked day one at stock setting and extra flash on the axle where my bearing would get stuck on the axle. I took some photos and sent them in but they said they needed me to ship them back. I requested a return shipping label and they obliged. Two weeks later I had a brand new all around better set in my mailbox. If you’ve got another set of trucks to ride in the meantime it’s worth the effort.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on February 02, 2022, 09:34:04 AM
Quote from: hiljentaa on February 02, 2022, 08:47:07 AM
Indy Ti users, have you experienced axle slip?

I have thicker speedrings on the inside and stock thin ones on the bolt side. Makes the axle nut flush with the end of the axle with just a tiny bit of wheel-play normally.

I land primo more often than I'd like to admit, and the right side of both of my axles now bind with that setup somewhat often, while the left side has more wheel-play.

Bummed. Should I reach out to NHS? How do I prove it to them?

You should absolutely reach out to NHS, although be aware that Independent Trucks are no longer "guaranteed for life" - in fact, officially the warranty is only valid for 120 fucking days. Nevertheless, it's probably worth reaching out. I've had plenty of luck navigating around warranty issues by simple being polite and professional in emails.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mr. Stinky on February 02, 2022, 10:09:14 AM
Re: the Ace bushings in other trucks discussion, I ran broken in Ace classic bushings in 159 forged hollows and it was one of the nicest feeling turns I've ever experienced, an absolute joy.  The geometry of the Indy felt unaffected, which was nice, but the quality of the turn itself felt smoother, more stable/less wiggly and they recentered better (all like an Ace) presumably due to the mixed duro bushings. I don't skate boards that wide anymore, but I keep those trucks in case I ever want to. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 03, 2022, 03:20:33 PM
https://youtu.be/JWgKmYqGEHk
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on February 03, 2022, 03:50:53 PM
Quote from: Xen on February 03, 2022, 03:20:33 PM
https://youtu.be/JWgKmYqGEHk

Somebody has to stop him from infecting more people with the madness. I rode the same trucks for years before I found this guy and slap
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on February 03, 2022, 05:22:55 PM
https://www.peterverdone.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_skateboards_turn
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: braksabbath on February 03, 2022, 05:38:00 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on February 03, 2022, 05:22:55 PM
https://www.peterverdone.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_skateboards_turn
Killer resource. I remember reading the old site years ago, glad to see this nerd shit again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 04, 2022, 03:58:34 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on February 03, 2022, 03:50:53 PM
Quote from: Xen on February 03, 2022, 03:20:33 PM
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Somebody has to stop him from infecting more people with the madness. I rode the same trucks for years before I found this guy and slap


I would be more curious how many "Digital angle gauge" units sell on the back of this video alone.

Damn sure I want one now after watching this!!!!


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 04, 2022, 04:31:31 AM

Going through those comments, I see a few familiar names, but I thought this one was definitely worth posting here for anyone that didn't watch the video and read all the comments.


Mog
8 hours ago
Ok, so I’m an engineer who’s been skating since 87 so what I’m saying comes from a place of understanding what’s going on here. To understand it better don’t look at the truck with the hanger pointing up, turn it the way round it actually is when you’re skating it, with the hanger to the ground.

When a truck is turning two things are constant: the hanger is parallel to the surface you’re riding on, and the baseplate is oriented in the direction you’re riding. When you lean to one side the base plate tilts on a fulcrum made up of an invisible line between the inside of the pivot cup and where the bottom bushing meets the hanger. Measure the angle between those two and you’ve got a true indication of what’s turning on your truck. Because the position of the base plate is fixed relative to your board, tilting the base plate by leaning forces the angle of the wheels to change.

The angle of the pivot cup/bottom bushing changes how much a certain angle of tilt on the base plate translates into changing the angle of your hanger and wheels on the plane of the riding surface. If you had pivot cup/bottom bushing angle that was parallel with the bottom of your baseplate then the truck could move back and forth without changing the angle of the wheels, so you could get wheel bite without turning, that’s not what you want. The other extreme would be if the angle was really steep, which would mean that a small lean of the baseplate would translate to a huge amount of turn, that would result in really twitchy trucks that would also be really hard to turn, because you would be using a really small lever to try to move it. Finding the sweet spot where the right amount of lean translates to the right amount of turn is the science behind truck turning, and it’s also complicated by the fact that as you turn your bushings compress, which changes the angle slightly. Your kingpin angle relative to the fulcrum angle changes how progressively the bushings compress also, so if this angle is greater the resistance will increase the more you turn. Conical vs cylindrical bottom bushings also effect this.

You can play around a bit with changing the fulcrum angle by changing the height of your bottom bushings or adding or removing washers from underneath them, but this can mess up other things in the geometry like the angle the hanger sits in the pivot cup. This is why indy pivot cups click until they’re broken in when you swap the bushings out for bones ones.

There’s also where your wheels are positioned relative to the fulcrum which changes the way trucks turn, which is one (but not the only) reason why different width trucks with the same baseplate geometry feel like they turn different. On top of all that if the axles are closer in together the same hanger angle describes an arc with a smaller radius, ie a sharper turn.

Anyway I hope anyone who’s gotten this far in has learnt some things about truck geometry and sorry about the essay. In case you’re wondering, no I don’t post on slap and no I don’t have truck madness any more, ace classic 55s suit how I skate pretty perfectly.




Anggita
8 hours ago
You need to make a video about this, Professor &#128583;&#127995;



Mog
7 hours ago
 @Anggita  making videos isn’t really my thing, but I’m happy for anyone else to use this info to make one

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: unregisteredhypercam2 on February 04, 2022, 08:22:17 AM
I haven't been experimenting very much but I luckily created what I wanted to without going too crazy.
I am running aftermarket independent 88 red top bushing, stock bottom bushing with no bottom washer. Originally this setup was good but the top washer would rattle and make a crazy noise. i switched the pivot cup to a japanese aftermarket brand and just loosened the kingpin nut a bit and now it is perfect and has no washer rattle because i assume the pivot cup changed the geometry slightly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on February 04, 2022, 09:40:56 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on February 04, 2022, 03:58:34 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on February 03, 2022, 03:50:53 PM
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Somebody has to stop him from infecting more people with the madness. I rode the same trucks for years before I found this guy and slap
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I have an app on my iPhone that does it.  I have used it to measure nose/tail angles of boards as well as to measure what angle the board is when the tail hits the ground on various setups. 



I would be more curious how many "Digital angle gauge" units sell on the back of this video alone.

Damn sure I want one now after watching this!!!!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on February 04, 2022, 09:55:34 AM
Quote from: backinaction on February 04, 2022, 09:40:56 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on February 04, 2022, 03:58:34 AM
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Quote from: goodatmeth on February 03, 2022, 03:50:53 PM
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https://youtu.be/JWgKmYqGEHk
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Somebody has to stop him from infecting more people with the madness. I rode the same trucks for years before I found this guy and slap
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I have an app on my iPhone that does it.  I have used it to measure nose/tail angles of boards as well as to measure what angle the board is when the tail hits the ground on various setups. 



I would be more curious how many "Digital angle gauge" units sell on the back of this video alone.

Damn sure I want one now after watching this!!!!
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Sorry to be a bummer but, the iPhone's angle measurement tool takes consistent measures, but they're unfortunately they're not accurate. There's no zeroing feature or way to calibrate your phone. I know this from working at a bike shop and using accurate digital levels to set saddle tilt/hood tilt. Many customers used their phones and came in with wacky angles.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 04, 2022, 06:20:01 PM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on February 04, 2022, 09:55:34 AM
Quote from: backinaction on February 04, 2022, 09:40:56 AM
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I have an app on my iPhone that does it.  I have used it to measure nose/tail angles of boards as well as to measure what angle the board is when the tail hits the ground on various setups. 

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Sorry to be a bummer but, the iPhone's angle measurement tool takes consistent measures, but they're unfortunately they're not accurate. There's no zeroing feature or way to calibrate your phone. I know this from working at a bike shop and using accurate digital levels to set saddle tilt/hood tilt. Many customers used their phones and came in with wacky angles.


I kinda like the fact that I don't have to use my phone for a million things, but I get that just having a phone does mean you don't have to carry so many things, even if it is a bit inaccurate as noted.

I guess I like having things like that around, either in the workshop or at home in the skate shed.

Even just the name "Digital angle gauge" just sounds kinda cool.


Ok, I will stop now.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Plan9Customs on February 04, 2022, 07:24:12 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on February 04, 2022, 06:20:01 PM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on February 04, 2022, 09:55:34 AM
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I have an app on my iPhone that does it.  I have used it to measure nose/tail angles of boards as well as to measure what angle the board is when the tail hits the ground on various setups. 

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Sorry to be a bummer but, the iPhone's angle measurement tool takes consistent measures, but they're unfortunately they're not accurate. There's no zeroing feature or way to calibrate your phone. I know this from working at a bike shop and using accurate digital levels to set saddle tilt/hood tilt. Many customers used their phones and came in with wacky angles.
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I kinda like the fact that I don't have to use my phone for a million things, but I get that just having a phone does mean you don't have to carry so many things, even if it is a bit inaccurate as noted.

I guess I like having things like that around, either in the workshop or at home in the skate shed.

Even just the name "Digital angle gauge" just sounds kinda cool.


Ok, I will stop now.

Wait.

(https://i.postimg.cc/XJ3Wn5Cg/0-F5305-F7-74-F5-4-EE9-A531-5-FD93-DC92-B95.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bG6WTsLG)
So they’re cool now? They work great for fab work also. And smaller than an analog angle locator.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CBP on February 07, 2022, 10:38:36 AM
Sorry to beat a dead horse but anybody know how not to blow fresh Indy bushings up in the first session?

A lot of people say that the new stock bushings hold together better and are higher quality but these things still fall apart super quickly for me.

I usually break in new trucks on a curb but is this not the way to go?

Let me know, thanks guys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 07, 2022, 10:55:37 AM
How tight are your trucks and how heavy are you?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CBP on February 07, 2022, 04:08:53 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on February 07, 2022, 10:55:37 AM
How tight are your trucks and how heavy are you?

Like to leave my trucks stock, I weigh 175
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 07, 2022, 04:18:59 PM
Not much heavier than me and I do the same and have never blown a stage 11 bushing aftermarket or stock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 08, 2022, 04:31:27 AM
Quote from: CBP on February 07, 2022, 10:38:36 AM
Sorry to beat a dead horse but anybody know how not to blow fresh Indy bushings up in the first session?

A lot of people say that the new stock bushings hold together better and are higher quality but these things still fall apart super quickly for me.

I usually break in new trucks on a curb but is this not the way to go?

Let me know, thanks guys.


A couple of guys I know always blow out any new bushings at any time, mainly cause they don't give them time to wear in and seem to go harder in their "chill skate sessions" than I do on my best day.

That said, I just set up a few new boards not too long ago and most were more just a carpark or skatepark carve session or two more than anything, not really going hard or trying anything much, but just rolling around and leaning left and right a whole lot and they are all worn in perfectly now, from stock tightness to start, to just one turn on the front and two on the back after the first session.

I did notice that one of the boards that the others skated for a bit have more bushing bite marks from the washers and one bushing has actually crushed a lot more than when I am on them, which was interesting to see, but they still work fine for me.

Just goes to show that even a couple of solid tricks cause a bit more wear in the first session or two than just doing laps of a carpark or skatepark.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stets on February 08, 2022, 03:00:23 PM
I cut some new 215's into 169's recently. Makes my TG reissue setup look more legit than the Stage 10 169's I had on it for years. Stoked on how well they turned out!

(https://i.ibb.co/BGXbkk9/IMG-8791.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5cQgSP2/IMG-8792.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on February 08, 2022, 03:20:14 PM
That is so sick, looks like you did a really clean job on those man. Fuck, makes me wanna send you some 215's and pay you to hack them down to 159's ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on February 08, 2022, 03:32:23 PM
Quote from: stets on February 08, 2022, 03:00:23 PM
I cut some new 215's into 169's recently. Makes my TG reissue setup look more legit than the Stage 10 169's I had on it for years. Stoked on how well they turned out!

(https://i.ibb.co/BGXbkk9/IMG-8791.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5cQgSP2/IMG-8792.jpg)

Those look amazing. I've seen people do that before but never so nice looking. You killed it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: switchfrontshuv on February 08, 2022, 08:46:15 PM
Quote from: stets on February 08, 2022, 03:00:23 PM
I cut some new 215's into 169's recently. Makes my TG reissue setup look more legit than the Stage 10 169's I had on it for years. Stoked on how well they turned out!

(https://i.ibb.co/BGXbkk9/IMG-8791.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5cQgSP2/IMG-8792.jpg)

So how much do I have to pay for you to do that but down to 8.5? haha

Wonderful work, looks like art
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on February 08, 2022, 10:17:26 PM
Quote from: stets on February 08, 2022, 03:00:23 PM
I cut some new 215's into 169's recently. Makes my TG reissue setup look more legit than the Stage 10 169's I had on it for years. Stoked on how well they turned out!

(https://i.ibb.co/BGXbkk9/IMG-8791.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5cQgSP2/IMG-8792.jpg)

Nicely done. I've seen this done a few times, but it's always complete hack jobs involving pipecutters or some other janky tool. I assume you machined these?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: braksabbath on February 08, 2022, 10:25:00 PM
Was the spline in the same spot on both axles? I want to cut some old trucks down to rollerskate size
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: vicious cycle on February 09, 2022, 08:26:39 AM
(https://abload.de/thumb/indytitanium1ljha.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=indytitanium1ljha.jpg)

Today i broke my first axle ever.. it's a pretty new Indy 144 Ti..i'm 78 Kg, broke them on a flatground Kickflip..
and now, i don't trust them anymore. Thinking about changing both hangers to hollow ones i have laying arround.
Are titanium axles more sensitive than regular ones ? Anyone has experienced something simular ?
I'm so pissed right now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on February 09, 2022, 08:50:46 AM
Quote from: vicious cycle on February 09, 2022, 08:26:39 AM
(https://abload.de/thumb/indytitanium1ljha.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=indytitanium1ljha.jpg)

Today i broke my first axle ever.. it's a pretty new Indy 144 Ti..i'm 78 Kg, broke them on a flatground Kickflip..
and now, i don't trust them anymore. Thinking about changing both hangers to hollow ones i have laying arround.
Are titanium axles more sensitive than regular ones ? Anyone has experienced something simular ?
I'm so pissed right now.

Titanium is stronger and lighter than chromoly steel (which is used in the standard Indys). I'd reach out to NHS, this is probably a defect, and they should cover it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on February 09, 2022, 09:04:31 AM
Quote from: vicious cycle on February 09, 2022, 08:26:39 AM
(https://abload.de/thumb/indytitanium1ljha.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=indytitanium1ljha.jpg)

Today i broke my first axle ever.. it's a pretty new Indy 144 Ti..i'm 78 Kg, broke them on a flatground Kickflip..
and now, i don't trust them anymore. Thinking about changing both hangers to hollow ones i have laying arround.
Are titanium axles more sensitive than regular ones ? Anyone has experienced something simular ?
I'm so pissed right now.

For complicated reasons, Titanium, while by and large stronger and more flexible & with a higher yield strength than chromoly, is also more prone to failures from things like  stress risers (which looks like what happened here, as you can see the darker oxidized spot originating from where the axle was splined in the factory). I still completely trust my titanium trucks, and I've seen plenty of chromoly axles crack and fail.

Definitely contact Indy. They only have a 180 day warranty now, but I think a polite and professional email can probably get results.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on February 09, 2022, 09:57:10 AM
Titanium axles technically aren't stronger than solid chromoly's. But people seem to have more problems with hollow or solid regs vs the titanium's, probably just a defect contact NHS. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on February 09, 2022, 10:09:52 AM
Quote from: logjammin on February 09, 2022, 09:57:10 AM
Titanium axles technically aren't stronger than solid chromoly's. But people seem to have more problems with hollow or solid regs vs the titanium's, probably just a defect contact NHS.

If the axle actually is Ti, and it's free of risers and voids, it should theoretically be stronger than most all chromoly alloys unless they're annealed, no?

Honestly asking, I'm totally cool with being wrong. Thunder forged Hollows are only 8 grams heavier than the Thunder Ti's. I'd be saving myself a lot of money in the future.  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on February 09, 2022, 10:16:01 AM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on February 09, 2022, 10:09:52 AM
Quote from: logjammin on February 09, 2022, 09:57:10 AM
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Titanium axles technically aren't stronger than solid chromoly's. But people seem to have more problems with hollow or solid regs vs the titanium's, probably just a defect contact NHS.
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If the axle actually is Ti, and it's free of risers and voids, it should theoretically be stronger than most all chromoly alloys unless they're annealed, no?

Honestly asking, I'm totally cool with being wrong. Thunder forged Hollows are only 8 grams heavier than the Thunder Ti's. I'd be saving myself a lot of money in the future.  ;D

No, you’re right. There are a thousand mitigating factors (mainly in the form of various alloys), but pound for pound titanium is stronger, more flexible and lighter than the applicable chromoly steel.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: vicious cycle on February 09, 2022, 11:22:44 AM
Thx guys. Gonna contact nhs. I'm in germany so I don't know if it would make much sense to send it to the us..
Maybe my shop can help more. Will see.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on February 09, 2022, 12:23:04 PM
Quote from: vicious cycle on February 09, 2022, 08:26:39 AM
(https://abload.de/thumb/indytitanium1ljha.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=indytitanium1ljha.jpg)

Today i broke my first axle ever.. it's a pretty new Indy 144 Ti..i'm 78 Kg, broke them on a flatground Kickflip..
and now, i don't trust them anymore. Thinking about changing both hangers to hollow ones i have laying arround.
Are titanium axles more sensitive than regular ones ? Anyone has experienced something simular ?
I'm so pissed right now.

Damn, that's sketchy. I just got two new pair of forged hollows in 149 and 169. I really like them, but I did notice some possible QC concerns. 3 of the 4 axles look to be rusted internally, and one of them shows rust on the outside where it's uncovered behind the kingpin. I don't think it's a big deal, I hope not at least.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on February 09, 2022, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on February 09, 2022, 10:16:01 AM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on February 09, 2022, 10:09:52 AM
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Quote from: logjammin on February 09, 2022, 09:57:10 AM
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Titanium axles technically aren't stronger than solid chromoly's. But people seem to have more problems with hollow or solid regs vs the titanium's, probably just a defect contact NHS.
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If the axle actually is Ti, and it's free of risers and voids, it should theoretically be stronger than most all chromoly alloys unless they're annealed, no?

Honestly asking, I'm totally cool with being wrong. Thunder forged Hollows are only 8 grams heavier than the Thunder Ti's. I'd be saving myself a lot of money in the future.  ;D
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No, you’re right. There are a thousand mitigating factors (mainly in the form of various alloys), but pound for pound titanium is stronger, more flexible and lighter than the applicable chromoly steel.

Thanks, @manysnakes you know your shit! I lived through the bottom bracket wars so I'm always second-guessing what I know to be true.  :-\
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on February 09, 2022, 05:17:17 PM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on February 09, 2022, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on February 09, 2022, 10:16:01 AM
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Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on February 09, 2022, 10:09:52 AM
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Quote from: logjammin on February 09, 2022, 09:57:10 AM
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Titanium axles technically aren't stronger than solid chromoly's. But people seem to have more problems with hollow or solid regs vs the titanium's, probably just a defect contact NHS.
[close]

If the axle actually is Ti, and it's free of risers and voids, it should theoretically be stronger than most all chromoly alloys unless they're annealed, no?

Honestly asking, I'm totally cool with being wrong. Thunder forged Hollows are only 8 grams heavier than the Thunder Ti's. I'd be saving myself a lot of money in the future.  ;D
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No, you’re right. There are a thousand mitigating factors (mainly in the form of various alloys), but pound for pound titanium is stronger, more flexible and lighter than the applicable chromoly steel.
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Thanks, @manysnakes you know your shit! I lived through the bottom bracket wars so I'm always second-guessing what I know to be true.  :-\

Are they over? Did English just win again?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stets on February 09, 2022, 05:22:59 PM
Quote from: stets on February 08, 2022, 03:00:23 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/5cQgSP2/IMG-8792.jpg)
Quote from: switchfrontshuv on February 08, 2022, 08:46:15 PM
So how much do I have to pay for you to do that but down to 8.5? haha

Wonderful work, looks like art

Quote from: logjammin on February 08, 2022, 03:20:14 PM
That is so sick, looks like you did a really clean job on those man. Fuck, makes me wanna send you some 215's and pay you to hack them down to 159's ;D


Ha thanks guys! You know I would be willing to do get some and cut them down for some Pals. I'm not sure if 8.5's or 8.75's would be as easy as the 169's... there is that ridge that I stamped 169 on which would get in the way of the wheel if they were cut down to the 8.5 size at least. I'd probably have to machine away a little of that ridge to avoid that rubbing.

Not sure exactly how much I'd have to charge. But my local does have some 215's so I could for sure do it.


Quote from: manysnakes on February 08, 2022, 10:17:26 PM
Nicely done. I've seen this done a few times, but it's always complete hack jobs involving pipecutters or some other janky tool. I assume you machined these?


Yeah! I don't have a metal lathe, but I do have a realllly solid 1950's era drill press. I chucked the axle up, run the drill pressed, and used a metal saw and saw-stopper I rigged up to cut through the aluminum without cutting into the axle.

Then after popping the excess aluminum ring off, I had to carefully file the splined area down to the same exact thickness as the normal axle. I do this while it is spinning on the drill-press to make sure the new area is perfectly circular, with a really mellow set of files. I take my time doing this, constantly checking with calipers.

Finally, I add extra threads to the axle with a tap and die kit, chop off the excess axle, and finish that cut edge to a clean slight taper just like factory truck ends are.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Plan9Customs on February 09, 2022, 05:45:48 PM
Quote from: stets on February 09, 2022, 05:22:59 PM
Quote from: stets on February 08, 2022, 03:00:23 PM
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Quote from: switchfrontshuv on February 08, 2022, 08:46:15 PM
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So how much do I have to pay for you to do that but down to 8.5? haha

Wonderful work, looks like art
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Quote from: logjammin on February 08, 2022, 03:20:14 PM
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That is so sick, looks like you did a really clean job on those man. Fuck, makes me wanna send you some 215's and pay you to hack them down to 159's ;D
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Ha thanks guys! You know I would be willing to do get some and cut them down for some Pals. I'm not sure if 8.5's or 8.75's would be as easy as the 169's... there is that ridge that I stamped 169 on which would get in the way of the wheel if they were cut down to the 8.5 size at least. I'd probably have to machine away a little of that ridge to avoid that rubbing.

Not sure exactly how much I'd have to charge. But my local does have some 215's so I could for sure do it.


Quote from: manysnakes on February 08, 2022, 10:17:26 PM
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Nicely done. I've seen this done a few times, but it's always complete hack jobs involving pipecutters or some other janky tool. I assume you machined these?
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Yeah! I don't have a metal lathe, but I do have a realllly solid 1950's era drill press. I chucked the axle up, run the drill pressed, and used a metal saw and saw-stopper I rigged up to cut through the aluminum without cutting into the axle.

Then after popping the excess aluminum ring off, I had to carefully file the splined area down to the same exact thickness as the normal axle. I do this while it is spinning on the drill-press to make sure the new area is perfectly circular, with a really mellow set of files. I take my time doing this, constantly checking with calipers.

Finally, I add extra threads to the axle with a tap and die kit, chop off the excess axle, and finish that cut edge to a clean slight taper just like factory truck ends are.

Those turned out great. I was going to do the same to shave 1/4” off one but when I chucked it up and hit the switch there was about 1/2” or more of wobble when it spun. Any wobble when you did yours?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stets on February 09, 2022, 05:54:14 PM
Quote from: Plan9Customs on February 09, 2022, 05:45:48 PM
Those turned out great. I was going to do the same to shave 1/4” off one but when I chucked it up and hit the switch there was about 1/2” or more of wobble when it spun. Any wobble when you did yours?

There was some slight wobble on the far end (most axles aren't 100% straight). But there was absolutely no wobble or chatter at the chuck (god bless mid-century USA-made drill presses), so I did all my cutting and surfacing at the top by the chuck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Plan9Customs on February 09, 2022, 06:12:22 PM
Quote from: stets on February 09, 2022, 05:54:14 PM
Quote from: Plan9Customs on February 09, 2022, 05:45:48 PM
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Those turned out great. I was going to do the same to shave 1/4” off one but when I chucked it up and hit the switch there was about 1/2” or more of wobble when it spun. Any wobble when you did yours?
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There was some slight wobble on the far end (most axles aren't 100% straight). But there was absolutely no wobble or chatter at the chuck (god bless mid-century USA-made drill presses), so I did all my cutting and surfacing at the top by the chuck
Guess it was just that one then. Tried it the same way(chucked in and cut with a hack saw set on the table, then finished with a file). Worked good on an 80s hanger but there was only a small amount of play unlike the new 215. Thanks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 09, 2022, 08:04:48 PM
Quote from: vicious cycle on February 09, 2022, 08:26:39 AM
(https://abload.de/thumb/indytitanium1ljha.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=indytitanium1ljha.jpg)

Today i broke my first axle ever.. it's a pretty new Indy 144 Ti..i'm 78 Kg, broke them on a flatground Kickflip..
and now, i don't trust them anymore. Thinking about changing both hangers to hollow ones i have laying arround.
Are titanium axles more sensitive than regular ones ? Anyone has experienced something simular ?
I'm so pissed right now.


Never seen exactly that before, but I have definitely seen all sorts of breaks and faults.

The best thing to do is take them back to the shop you bought them from, or at least contact them, if it was sent to you, as that is supposed to be the first point of call.

The hanger in the pic looks fairly new, which is always good - when they are down to the axle or similar, it is hard to justify any kind of warranty.

That sort of issue is definitely not "user error" but a manufacturing fault, so should be 100% covered under warranty.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 12, 2022, 07:24:37 AM
I circumcised my top Indy aftermarket 90A bushings and cracked the front one. I got some Indy aftermarket 92A bushings thinking maybe I won’t smash em as fast. My trucks are mayyyybe a half turn past flush and I’m only 165lbs.

Anyways, I marked the nuts and put em in and they actually feel looser than the 90A. I had a set of the red 88 around so I did the same and those feel harder. Super weird. Also noticed that the aftermarket bottom washer is too small and the bushing bulges over.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 13, 2022, 02:56:58 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on February 12, 2022, 07:24:37 AM
I circumcised my top Indy aftermarket 90A bushings and cracked the front one. I got some Indy aftermarket 92A bushings thinking maybe I won’t smash em as fast. My trucks are mayyyybe a half turn past flush and I’m only 165lbs.

Anyways, I marked the nuts and put em in and they actually feel looser than the 90A. I had a set of the red 88 around so I did the same and those feel harder. Super weird. Also noticed that the aftermarket bottom washer is too small and the bushing bulges over.


There have definitely been some common inconsistencies with those bushings, many people noted the red 88s definitely feel harder than the orange 90s or the blue 92s, also my blue 92s squashed significantly more than the other ones (with my usual comfortable wear in period).

Never had any split on me though and they have lasted for ever on all my boards.

I know others have had mixed reactions though.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: unregisteredhypercam2 on February 13, 2022, 03:09:16 AM
the red 88a are outrageously hard for what is called soft. i really don't understand it. do the people at independent not realize this?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on February 13, 2022, 04:33:19 AM
Quote from: unregisteredhypercam2 on February 13, 2022, 03:09:16 AM
the red 88a are outrageously hard for what is called soft. i really don't understand it. do the people at independent not realize this?
Either they are oblivious or they just don't care. The blue bushings are definitely softer then the reds. It's weird.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on February 13, 2022, 05:52:54 AM
Quote from: unregisteredhypercam2 on February 13, 2022, 03:09:16 AM
the red 88a are outrageously hard for what is called soft. i really don't understand it. do the people at independent not realize this?

I hate these bushings and tried an experiment a few days ago. Boiling them for only 1-3 minutes made them super soft, but as soon as they cooled down they were just as hard as before. Then I boiled them for at least 10 minutes and now they're permanently as squishy soft as the 78a bushings. They don't even get hard when it's freezing outside. So there might be a specific boiling time that makes them perfect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 13, 2022, 07:22:12 AM
Huh, well that’s funky. My main goal is to prevent continuing to crack my front top bushings so I thought harder might be the way and it sounds like I thus need reds instead.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 13, 2022, 04:37:37 PM
Quote from: goodatmeth on February 13, 2022, 05:52:54 AM
Quote from: unregisteredhypercam2 on February 13, 2022, 03:09:16 AM
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the red 88a are outrageously hard for what is called soft. i really don't understand it. do the people at independent not realize this?
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I hate these bushings and tried an experiment a few days ago. Boiling them for only 1-3 minutes made them super soft, but as soon as they cooled down they were just as hard as before. Then I boiled them for at least 10 minutes and now they're permanently as squishy soft as the 78a bushings. They don't even get hard when it's freezing outside. So there might be a specific boiling time that makes them perfect.


Never heard of that before, but if it works, then at least it is an option.

I know people have just single boiled them, eg dropped them in the kettle and put it on, but haven't heard of consistently boiling them for that long.




Quote from: LebowskisRug on February 13, 2022, 07:22:12 AM
Huh, well that’s funky. My main goal is to prevent continuing to crack my front top bushings so I thought harder might be the way and it sounds like I thus need reds instead.


Got a pic?

I always like to see pics, but that is just me.


If they are just flaking away a bit on the outside, that is usual and nothing to worry about.  If they are actually cracking right through, then that is more a faulty product and warranty issue.  I had some returned with successful warranty when the person was adament they had a fault.  Most of the time people just say it was only a few dollars and don't bother though.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 13, 2022, 08:36:57 PM
It basically looks like the washer is digging in and shaving off the tip of the top bushing and then it did it so much it weakened the side of it and it cracked. I was out skating so it kept digging into the crack and started crumbling.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: zozu on February 14, 2022, 12:31:25 PM
Bought some Indy 88a conical bushings to revive/sell an old set of 149s, testing them out they feel terrible like they dont turn anywhere near how I remember Indys turning. Have I just been spoiled by Ace/Lurpiv?

They feel like they would work better in Thunders, just wondering if anyone has tried that and if it works.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on February 14, 2022, 12:57:07 PM
Quote from: zozu on February 14, 2022, 12:31:25 PM
Bought some Indy 88a conical bushings to revive/sell an old set of 149s, testing them out they feel terrible like they dont turn anywhere near how I remember Indys turning. Have I just been spoiled by Ace/Lurpiv?

They feel like they would work better in Thunders, just wondering if anyone has tried that and if it works.

The red, "soft", 88a Indy bushings are universally acknowledged to be a complete pile of shit. The standard orange medium bushings are noticeably softer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: zozu on February 14, 2022, 05:11:42 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on February 14, 2022, 12:57:07 PM
Quote from: zozu on February 14, 2022, 12:31:25 PM
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Bought some Indy 88a conical bushings to revive/sell an old set of 149s, testing them out they feel terrible like they dont turn anywhere near how I remember Indys turning. Have I just been spoiled by Ace/Lurpiv?

They feel like they would work better in Thunders, just wondering if anyone has tried that and if it works.
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The red, "soft", 88a Indy bushings are universally acknowledged to be a complete pile of shit. The standard orange medium bushings are noticeably softer.

well they certainly feel like a pile of shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on February 15, 2022, 09:40:15 AM
I went through a ton of bushing madness on my indys and eventually came all the way back around to stock indy orange bushings. I'm 6'4", 195 pounds and like my trucks medium-loose, I want them to have a nice carve but be stable when setting up for tricks. I'm definitely heavier than a lot of people, so figured I needed harder bushings. I tried:

-Bones Hard - Way too hard, didn't ride for longer than a couple sessions
-DohDohs Red - Felt really good, actually ran these for a while until the top bushing completely exploded. Even rotated the top bushing a couple of times to keep them going
-Indy Black 94a hard standard cylinder: again, felt pretty good until the top bushing exploded. I also ran the Black barrel bushing with an orange top bushing for a bit. Rode ok and looked halloween-y which was fun
Indy Blue 92a Medium Hard conical: Rode these the longest, they actually felt harder than the blacks after a while. As other people have pointed out, the Blue bushings definitely feel harder than some of the "softer" bushings. They're still in good shape after 6+ months of skating

I hit the axle on my Indy Forged Hollows so I moved them to my cruiser and I got a set of Indy Ti's for christmas. The secret for me was committing to breaking in the stock bushings properly. I've always been too impatient. My process was:

-Installed the trucks and didn't touch the kingpin bolt, left it stock.
-I skated the trucks like that for 2 weeks, maybe 5-6 sessions where I specifically rode my board forward and backwards, and nothing too intense. Carves, basic mini ramp runs, frontside and backside 50-50s.
-Towards the end of the break in session, I started throwing in some frontside and backside slappies, both forward and backwards.

After that, I tightened the kingpin nut ~1/2 a turn and found my ideal tightness pretty quickly. I've been running these trucks about 6 weeks now and they feel perfect. My board does have a slight turn still, but nothing extreme where it messes with me. I did notice a little crack on one of the upper bushings were the washer is hitting it on deep turns, but hopefully they hold up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on February 15, 2022, 09:46:57 AM
Every aftermarket Indy bushing seems to suck. I feel like they're designed around the orange medium bushings and that's the way that they skate best.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on February 15, 2022, 02:15:27 PM
Yeah I never tried the red 88a Indy aftermarkets but I've tried all the others and they don't rebound very well, just overall a very "meh" bushing choice for me. Everyone hypes up Ace bushings and it's true, they're lively the whole way through. Thunder and the DLX bait n tackle aftermarkets are better than the Indy's too, imo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 15, 2022, 03:21:39 PM
Can't speak for anyone else but the indy blues have always treated me well. Had a set in my ventures (just the top bushing) for a while and lasted wayyyy longer than stock venture bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on February 15, 2022, 03:52:20 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on February 15, 2022, 03:21:39 PM
Can't speak for anyone else but the indy blues have always treated me well. Had a set in my ventures (just the top bushing) for a while and lasted wayyyy longer than stock venture bushings.
I've never had a problem with the blue bushings either. They seem to rebound back to center amazingly and they are stable yet they turn great. Probably my favorite bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: switchfrontshuv on February 16, 2022, 10:54:10 AM
For yall info^

Im currently running 78a indy white bottom bushing + bottom washer + top bushing (no top washer) on venture for the winter. It turns squishy and only really freezes up at or around freezing, whereas the indy white bushing bottom + purple top with washers combo seems to work way better for warmer weather.

Id say the turn is really improved but yeah much happier I chose these over the red ones I was originally gonna buy. Curious about these blue bushings now hearing that they feel like a true in-between of the 78a aftermarket and the 90a aftermarket, could be a cool option for ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on February 16, 2022, 11:19:28 AM
Quote from: logjammin on February 15, 2022, 02:15:27 PM
Yeah I never tried the red 88a Indy aftermarkets but I've tried all the others and they don't rebound very well, just overall a very "meh" bushing choice for me. Everyone hypes up Ace bushings and it's true, they're lively the whole way through. Thunder and the DLX bait n tackle aftermarkets are better than the Indy's too, imo.

Skating some leftover Ace Classics bushings in my
Indy 149s now and they’re a great addition. I don’t know if I’d run out and buy them, but if you’re through a set of Ace and have some bushings left over, give it a try. Better or worse is subjective, but they’re noticeably different in a pleasant way.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Justrollingthru on February 16, 2022, 03:02:20 PM
Setting up a board for the first time in a couple years tomorrow. Got it mostly figured out except trucks.

Torn between Indy mids and ventures cause that's what I've always ridden mostly.

Board is 8.25 x 31.5 w/ 14.25 wb

I skate all terrain.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 16, 2022, 03:30:21 PM
Thunder might be a nice compromise
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 16, 2022, 04:58:40 PM
Quote from: Justrollingthru on February 16, 2022, 03:02:20 PM
Setting up a board for the first time in a couple years tomorrow. Got it mostly figured out except trucks.

Torn between Indy mids and ventures cause that's what I've always ridden mostly.

Board is 8.25 x 31.5 w/ 14.25 wb

I skate all terrain.


Not to say don't get the Indy mids, but that inverted kingpin and other known issues make those trucks second to standard Ventures in almost every situation, and that is coming from me, a shop guy who prefers Indy over everything else for my own setups, even though I have some of almost everything still set up on boards that I have as spares or for others to skate at the indoor park - try before you buy type of deal.

Indy standards, or probably more so the hollow forged option would be better than Indy mids and more comparable to Venture trucks too, with so many people I know trying the Indy mids and going back to whatever they were on before as they just didn't like them as much, or at all.

Of course the decision is yours, but do your research and compare things like wheel size, board and wheelbase length, among others if you are really interested, otherwise get something that makes you happy and go from there.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ray C. Usery on February 16, 2022, 05:50:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3L6UtA_Fgg
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 16, 2022, 08:03:37 PM
What known issues are there with Mids? I’ve only heard the kingpin thing from you and my set and my friend’s sets have been great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 16, 2022, 08:19:41 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on February 16, 2022, 08:03:37 PM
What known issues are there with Mids? I’ve only heard the kingpin thing from you and my set and my friend’s sets have been great.


Some reviews say the height / weight / minimal kingpin clearance have people including pro riders taking them off after they do their "photo shoot" with them and putting their usual Indy standards or forged hollows back on.

The video review from Ron Whaley makes sense with the info he provided, although he is under NHS so people said of course he is going to give them a favourable review.

All up, if people are not keen on a 55mm tall truck in the standards, the hollow forged option at 53.5mm tall is pretty much the best go to, more so than the 52mm tall heavy Mid truck with kingpin clearance issues, but that is not to say that a lot of people will not skate them and like them all the same.

It is just one of those things that the Indy mid is maybe the most over hyped truck on the current market, with many of those trucks ending up used a bit and people just want to get rid of them.


If it was an option between Indy Mids and Ventures, most people I know would take the Ventures and have done, or gone back to the other Indy options.


* Edit - just curious too, but as per post above, do you have to retighten the kingpin down much or at all or have you done anything to it to keep it from continually coming undone?

That is also another annoying thing with the Indy Mid trucks that I forgot to say before.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Justrollingthru on February 16, 2022, 09:08:10 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on February 16, 2022, 04:58:40 PM
Quote from: Justrollingthru on February 16, 2022, 03:02:20 PM
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Setting up a board for the first time in a couple years tomorrow. Got it mostly figured out except trucks.

Torn between Indy mids and ventures cause that's what I've always ridden mostly.

Board is 8.25 x 31.5 w/ 14.25 wb

I skate all terrain.
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Not to say don't get the Indy mids, but that inverted kingpin and other known issues make those trucks second to standard Ventures in almost every situation, and that is coming from me, a shop guy who prefers Indy over everything else for my own setups, even though I have some of almost everything still set up on boards that I have as spares or for others to skate at the indoor park - try before you buy type of deal.

Indy standards, or probably more so the hollow forged option would be better than Indy mids and more comparable to Venture trucks too, with so many people I know trying the Indy mids and going back to whatever they were on before as they just didn't like them as much, or at all.

Of course the decision is yours, but do your research and compare things like wheel size, board and wheelbase length, among others if you are really interested, otherwise get something that makes you happy and go from there.

Word word

Right now I'm leaning hard towards the venture vlights and putting one Indy hard conical on bottom, leaving the top venture conical bushings and putting a flat washer on em.

Mostly leaning more towards the venture vlights cause they are cheaper than the standard stage 11s although I've mostly ridden indys (back to back to back pairs etc) ventures are in second.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 16, 2022, 09:15:11 PM
Quote from: Justrollingthru on February 16, 2022, 09:08:10 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on February 16, 2022, 04:58:40 PM
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Setting up a board for the first time in a couple years tomorrow. Got it mostly figured out except trucks.

Torn between Indy mids and ventures cause that's what I've always ridden mostly.

Board is 8.25 x 31.5 w/ 14.25 wb

I skate all terrain.
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Not to say don't get the Indy mids, but that inverted kingpin and other known issues make those trucks second to standard Ventures in almost every situation, and that is coming from me, a shop guy who prefers Indy over everything else for my own setups, even though I have some of almost everything still set up on boards that I have as spares or for others to skate at the indoor park - try before you buy type of deal.

Indy standards, or probably more so the hollow forged option would be better than Indy mids and more comparable to Venture trucks too, with so many people I know trying the Indy mids and going back to whatever they were on before as they just didn't like them as much, or at all.

Of course the decision is yours, but do your research and compare things like wheel size, board and wheelbase length, among others if you are really interested, otherwise get something that makes you happy and go from there.
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Word word

Right now I'm leaning hard towards the venture vlights and putting one Indy hard conical on bottom, leaving the top venture conical bushings and putting a flat washer on em.

Mostly leaning more towards the venture vlights cause they are cheaper than the standard stage 11s although I've mostly ridden indys (back to back to back pairs etc) ventures are in second.


Venture has upped their game of late it seems, many old Indy riders now on or back on Venture, with decent trucks and quality parts.

The people I know who skate Ventures say kingpin clearance is good, the stability is great, the height at around 53mm is just right for normal sized wheels and a few other things, but I can definitely understand how a lot more people can skate Ventures and be happy after messing around with some on a few boards I have.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Justrollingthru on February 16, 2022, 09:23:24 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on February 16, 2022, 09:15:11 PM
Quote from: Justrollingthru on February 16, 2022, 09:08:10 PM
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Quote from: Justrollingthru on February 16, 2022, 03:02:20 PM
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Setting up a board for the first time in a couple years tomorrow. Got it mostly figured out except trucks.

Torn between Indy mids and ventures cause that's what I've always ridden mostly.

Board is 8.25 x 31.5 w/ 14.25 wb

I skate all terrain.
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Not to say don't get the Indy mids, but that inverted kingpin and other known issues make those trucks second to standard Ventures in almost every situation, and that is coming from me, a shop guy who prefers Indy over everything else for my own setups, even though I have some of almost everything still set up on boards that I have as spares or for others to skate at the indoor park - try before you buy type of deal.

Indy standards, or probably more so the hollow forged option would be better than Indy mids and more comparable to Venture trucks too, with so many people I know trying the Indy mids and going back to whatever they were on before as they just didn't like them as much, or at all.

Of course the decision is yours, but do your research and compare things like wheel size, board and wheelbase length, among others if you are really interested, otherwise get something that makes you happy and go from there.
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Word word

Right now I'm leaning hard towards the venture vlights and putting one Indy hard conical on bottom, leaving the top venture conical bushings and putting a flat washer on em.

Mostly leaning more towards the venture vlights cause they are cheaper than the standard stage 11s although I've mostly ridden indys (back to back to back pairs etc) ventures are in second.
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Venture has upped their game of late it seems, many old Indy riders now on or back on Venture, with decent trucks and quality parts.

The people I know who skate Ventures say kingpin clearance is good, the stability is great, the height at around 53mm is just right for normal sized wheels and a few other things, but I can definitely understand how a lot more people can skate Ventures and be happy after messing around with some on a few boards I have.

Ventures are super nostalgic for me. It was the first "cool" "real" truck that was recognizeable to me. I still had a world industries complete at this time bought from big 5 and I remember seeing an og pair of ventures on my friends older brothers board and they looked so cool to me. I always thought that "V" was super cool. But fuck it I'll ride anything really. I have royals on my zip zinger haha which still aren't broken and feel super sketchy to me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Justrollingthru on February 16, 2022, 09:34:56 PM
Quote from: Ray C. Usery on February 16, 2022, 05:50:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3L6UtA_Fgg

Chico is so sick. Ive definitely never gone wrong with Indy's, I've ridden them a lot. Probably done most of my best shit on Indy's but like Chico said I gotta mix it up
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nth syd bear on February 17, 2022, 12:04:45 PM
Hey Ace bushings in forged indys ?  The low bushings fit?

I've been using bones medium no bottom washer for about a year in indys
As comfortable as I find it I can tell its too wobbly from watching back shit I filmed

This thread is alot to go through I usually stay away from it  ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on February 17, 2022, 12:11:45 PM
Quote from: Nth syd bear on February 17, 2022, 12:04:45 PM
Hey Ace bushings in forged indys ?  The low bushings fit?

I've been using bones medium no bottom washer for about a year in indys
As comfortable as I find it I can tell its too wobbly from watching back shit I filmed

This thread is alot to go through I usually stay away from it  ;)

They should work fine in the forged. Skating them in some standards with an IKP. Said it earlier but I have no interest in skating anything else.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 17, 2022, 01:35:34 PM
Wait you're on the low or standard Ace Bushings?

I just put some blues in and transferred my riptides over from my Mids. I put the nuts back in the exact spot as my aftermarket 90A. They started out wayyyyy looser but across the first session firmed up a shitload and now are definitely firmer than the orange. I tried backing off the nut about a half turn and they felt more similar, but with faster rebound, which threw me off a bit. I might just go back to the oranges eventually but leaving them for now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 17, 2022, 01:40:06 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on February 16, 2022, 08:19:41 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on February 16, 2022, 08:03:37 PM
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What known issues are there with Mids? I’ve only heard the kingpin thing from you and my set and my friend’s sets have been great.
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Some reviews say the height / weight / minimal kingpin clearance have people including pro riders taking them off after they do their "photo shoot" with them and putting their usual Indy standards or forged hollows back on.

The video review from Ron Whaley makes sense with the info he provided, although he is under NHS so people said of course he is going to give them a favourable review.

All up, if people are not keen on a 55mm tall truck in the standards, the hollow forged option at 53.5mm tall is pretty much the best go to, more so than the 52mm tall heavy Mid truck with kingpin clearance issues, but that is not to say that a lot of people will not skate them and like them all the same.

It is just one of those things that the Indy mid is maybe the most over hyped truck on the current market, with many of those trucks ending up used a bit and people just want to get rid of them.


If it was an option between Indy Mids and Ventures, most people I know would take the Ventures and have done, or gone back to the other Indy options.


* Edit - just curious too, but as per post above, do you have to retighten the kingpin down much or at all or have you done anything to it to keep it from continually coming undone?

That is also another annoying thing with the Indy Mid trucks that I forgot to say before.

I haven't seen any evidence of people going back to other Indy's. From photos Reynolds, Tiago, AVE, Carlos Ribiero, and plenty of other riders are still on Mids. They do not extend the wheelbase like forged, the baseplate wears slower on slide marks, and personally I've had zero kingpin clearance issues with them. They're definitely heavier, but the hollows aren't that awful and I'm not sure lots of people really care about the weight.

I haven't had my kingpins come loose. I marked them to make sure. It happened to one friend who got replacement plates from Indy and it hasn't happened since.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrozenIndustries on February 17, 2022, 01:47:57 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on February 17, 2022, 01:35:34 PM
Wait you're on the low or standard Ace Bushings?

I just put some blues in and transferred my riptides over from my Mids. I put the nuts back in the exact spot as my aftermarket 90A. They started out wayyyyy looser but across the first session firmed up a shitload and now are definitely firmer than the orange. I tried backing off the nut about a half turn and they felt more similar, but with faster rebound, which threw me off a bit. I might just go back to the oranges eventually but leaving them for now.

Ace low bushings. The top bushing height of the lows is the same as Indy, and the bottom bushing is maybe 1mm shorty than Indy. I know some people do a standard bottom/low top, but this is working really well.

(https://i.imgur.com/B0EqHKE.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nth syd bear on February 17, 2022, 03:28:02 PM
@Macho Taildrop thanks that was exactly what I wanted to know picture and all  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 17, 2022, 04:32:36 PM
Re Indy miss, they just weren’t grossly better……I still think they tick a lot of boxes….
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Justrollingthru on February 17, 2022, 04:42:08 PM
Do y'all know if ace performance pivot cups will fit venture vlights? I got them without even thinking about it.

The ace cups and the riptide venture cups look pretty similar shape wise but a little different and I'm seeing mixed results some say yay some nay
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skunty on February 17, 2022, 05:05:33 PM
Hey all... I can't seem to find anyone posting a side/profile view picture of the Lurpiv's. Can anyone hook it up? I'm trying to get a look at that geometry before I consider dropping that much on trucks. Apparently my shop can't get the NHS hook up any more so I'm considering straying from Indy's, but they have one pair of 159s left, so I'm also considering that option. Maybe Thunder, maybe Ace... I'm a mess right now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 17, 2022, 05:17:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YTYk0E2.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bGJJL5N.jpg)

Is this what you're looking for?

Just set up these replacement grub lock baseplates. Seems like they'll do the job, despite being a bandaid solution
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 17, 2022, 06:39:36 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on February 17, 2022, 01:40:06 PM

I haven't seen any evidence of people going back to other Indy's. From photos Reynolds, Tiago, AVE, Carlos Ribiero, and plenty of other riders are still on Mids. They do not extend the wheelbase like forged, the baseplate wears slower on slide marks, and personally I've had zero kingpin clearance issues with them. They're definitely heavier, but the hollows aren't that awful and I'm not sure lots of people really care about the weight.

I haven't had my kingpins come loose. I marked them to make sure. It happened to one friend who got replacement plates from Indy and it hasn't happened since.


At the very least, if people are happy with them, sweet!

No issues there.

Also good to know the replacements worked better, so maybe they fixed something or maybe it was just wear on the first ones, so who knows really.

From the first half a dozen sets that passed through my hands, only one set is still in operation from the original user that I know of and they don't really skate a whole lot.  Everyone else either had issues with them or skated them enough to decide they didn't like them, so took them off, passed them on to others, whatever else.  Might have been a bad batch or something, but the replacements are still sitting here new in their plastic bags as those guys didn't want to touch them again after the first ones - more than one set for more than one person had issues with them coming loose in the baseplate area.


Between pro dudes who get as many as they like and ride whatever they are sent, or others who find that they prefer lower trucks, I can definitely see them being what people will happily ride.

When it comes to recommendations or if people are weighing up what to get, tech street skaters might prefer lower trucks in general or the Indy Mids, but most of the guys I skate with are all rounders / ramp and bowl type skaters and found them too low for what they wanted, which is why I had said not to get the Indy Mids on that basis.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 17, 2022, 07:58:09 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on February 17, 2022, 04:32:36 PM
Re Indy miss, they just weren’t grossly better……I still think they tick a lot of boxes….

When the ti Mids with that forged plate drop I'll bite.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skunty on February 17, 2022, 09:43:32 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on February 17, 2022, 05:17:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YTYk0E2.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bGJJL5N.jpg)

Is this what you're looking for?

Just set up these replacement grub lock baseplates. Seems like they'll do the job, despite being a bandaid solution

yes thank you g. I'm going crazy with truck madness. I think what I need is just an 8.5 axel with an inverted king pin, and if the axel's placement on the baseplate happens to make a shorter wheel base that's a plus, and pair that with a nice 8.6ish board with a 14.25ish wheel base.

Anyone got any recommendations? Preferably not NHS because I'm trying to shop at the local and they don't got that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 17, 2022, 09:55:10 PM
Quote from: skunty on February 17, 2022, 09:43:32 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on February 17, 2022, 05:17:06 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/YTYk0E2.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bGJJL5N.jpg)

Is this what you're looking for?

Just set up these replacement grub lock baseplates. Seems like they'll do the job, despite being a bandaid solution
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yes thank you g. I'm going crazy with truck madness. I think what I need is just an 8.5 axel with an inverted king pin, and if the axel's placement on the baseplate happens to make a shorter wheel base that's a plus, and pair that with a nice 8.6ish board with a 14.25ish wheel base.

Anyone got any recommendations? Preferably not NHS because I'm trying to shop at the local and they don't got that.

When you say a shorter wheelbase is a plus on the truck, what truck are you comparing it to? Lurpivs are similar to indy, a tad longer than ace if I recall correctly. Not sure exactly but something like that.

Do you like high or low trucks? These are 55mm tall, so definitely on the taller side, but I got used to the height pretty quickly and dont really notice much when I rotate between this and my venture setup.

Lurpivs do come with inverted kingpins and that is a plus, though I will say the inverted kingpin isn't as nice as a krux or indy inverted kingpin. Not necessarily because of clearance, dunno exactly how it compares, but rather because of the really sharp edges on the exposed nut, will definitely pitch you harder if you catch compared to the more rounded off inverted nut of an indy, or krux inverted kingpin.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skunty on February 18, 2022, 12:13:19 AM
I like a high truck for wheel bite clearance. I remove the bottom washer too that alters the geometry. Thinking about shaving the bottom washer and adding a riser pad to really fuck w the geometry but keep the same height. Fucking w the bottom bushing like that ruins ur king pin clearance, so that’s why inverted is a must for that idea.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skunty on February 18, 2022, 12:26:45 AM
Do you know if the k5 kingpin will work in w say an ace baseplate and hanger? Or maybe thunder or venture?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 18, 2022, 02:59:42 AM
I think the k5 kingpin should work in all those trucks but can't say for sure. Haven't tried installing my own inverted kingpin since krux pins in thunders a few years ago.

Thunders and ventures all extend the wheelbase relative to indys and aces though.

Why remove the bottom washer? I assume that loosens it up a bit but couldn't you just run the truck a half turn looser? I've skated without washers before and in my experience all it did was make my bushings crumble faster and reduce overall stability without too much of an increase in turn. Adding a riser pad on an already high truck would probably be a bit weird especially if its already less stable from removing the bottom washer.

I guess I skate my trucks at a solid medium, medium loose sometimes, so maybe what we're after is very different.

Honestly it sounds like a stock lurpiv that you run loose could work fine and you wouldn't have to mess with it. But if you insist on modifying things a bunch, maybe just consider standard indys, do all your adjustments and then swap out the kingpin for a krux.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 18, 2022, 03:05:37 AM
Quote from: skunty on February 18, 2022, 12:26:45 AM
Do you know if the k5 kingpin will work in w say an ace baseplate and hanger? Or maybe thunder or venture?


A number of people use JB weld to modify their trucks to accommodate the inverted kingpin.

If you search WELD in the top right of this thread or other truck specific threads, pics and videos show up with a fair bit of info - a little too much just to repost right here, but that should help with all that sort of info as well.

There is a specific thread for Ace, Thunder, Venture so give those a try as well, all within the first few pages of Shoes and Gear.


Ace

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=48056.5100


Thunder

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118215.270


Venture

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108614.2430

* Last post in the Venture thread was for someone else with the JB weld option too.



Even this one too:

New Thunder baseplate option thread

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=113108.0

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on February 18, 2022, 07:19:25 AM
I feel like I’m on the verge of needing fat bushings in the same vein as fat pants. I’ve been skating Tracker 184’s and the bushings, while excellent, seem to have gotten super soft. I had skated these trucks quite a bit a couple years ago, but I was 15+ pounds lighter.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 18, 2022, 08:08:50 AM
Modification is a deep rabbit hole. I’m probably going to take my Riptides out as I simply prefer the truck the way it was designed, even firmer bushings feel strange
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skunty on February 18, 2022, 11:35:04 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on February 18, 2022, 02:59:42 AM
I think the k5 kingpin should work in all those trucks but can't say for sure. Haven't tried installing my own inverted kingpin since krux pins in thunders a few years ago.

Thunders and ventures all extend the wheelbase relative to indys and aces though.

Why remove the bottom washer? I assume that loosens it up a bit but couldn't you just run the truck a half turn looser? I've skated without washers before and in my experience all it did was make my bushings crumble faster and reduce overall stability without too much of an increase in turn. Adding a riser pad on an already high truck would probably be a bit weird especially if its already less stable from removing the bottom washer.

I guess I skate my trucks at a solid medium, medium loose sometimes, so maybe what we're after is very different.

Honestly it sounds like a stock lurpiv that you run loose could work fine and you wouldn't have to mess with it. But if you insist on modifying things a bunch, maybe just consider standard indys, do all your adjustments and then swap out the kingpin for a krux.

Removing the bottom washer started for me kinda by accident. Switching to bones bushings, they recommend ditch the washers completely, then going to soft doh dohs I needed the top washer to keep the truck together, and then I made it back to Indy bushings with the top washer and no bottom washer. I've been rocking that for about a year and I really like the turn, but I'm a little too quick to wheel bite so I think I'm going to add riser pads in my next set up. I've been studying truck geometry recently and I've narrowed down the few variables that I think actually affect the turning, and I had been inadvertantly affecting a few of them by removing that washer. Basically if you remove the bottom washer, or if your bottom bushing is smaller or lower for whatever reason, your hanger is going to sit a little lower, and a little closer to the middle of the board, and therefore also sit at a different angle - all 3 things affect the turning. Sitting lower will cause the king pin to stick out more relative to the hanger, so downlow king pin is definitely the move for this alteration. Sitting lower makes you more prone to wheel bite, so I'm adding riser pads in the next set up (side note - there's another factor causing wheel bite quicker but that will be later in the comment). Sitting closer to the middle of the board is shortening the wheel base - which means shorter turning radius. But what I think is the main advantage is when you sit lower you change the angle that the hanger sits so you increase the responsiveness of the turn. Responsiveness always seemed like a vague thing but I can explain precisely what I mean - Basically when you lean, how much of that leaning force is converted into the hangers rotating. I'll explain how I think it works because I didn't do all this research just to keep it in my head haha. Basically when you lean on one side you're causing the hanger to rotate by providing a net force perpendicular to the rotational axis. The rotational axis is the line from the pivot cup to where the hanger touches the bottom bushing. You can check for yourself right now if you hold your board so that the line from the pivot cup to the bottom bushing is straight vertical. Then look at where your wheel bite marks are and you'll see that the line from your wheel to the wheel bite mark is horizontal. When you change the angle of the rotational axis relative to the deck, the relationship is changed between the forces you apply to the deck and how much the hangers rotate. If your bottom bushing is lower than normal, then the angle from the pivot cup to where the hanger touches the bushing (the rotational axis) is more parallel to the ground than normal, and therefore more perpendicular to your downward leaning force. The more perpendicular the direction of force is to the rotational axis, the more torque on the rotational axis, in other words more of your lean is converted to the hanger turning. Back to wheel bite - I mentioned lowering the bushing adds wheel bite by another factor and that is related to the angle change. If the hangers rotational axis is more paralell with the ground, the hanger rotating will intersect with the board quicker. So downlow king pin, riser pads, and no bottom washer - and I think I'm going to do it on Ace, that's my gamble for 2022.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 18, 2022, 11:52:07 AM
I'd love to see a video of you skating this setup. Have you tried removing your pivot cups I bet that would be super loose?

What I am not getting is why not just shave the bushing? The washer helps prevent wheelbite as the bushing has more to push against.

Also by doing this you're going to eventually fuck up your pivot cups.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 18, 2022, 11:58:27 AM
Quote from: skunty on February 18, 2022, 11:35:04 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on February 18, 2022, 02:59:42 AM
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I think the k5 kingpin should work in all those trucks but can't say for sure. Haven't tried installing my own inverted kingpin since krux pins in thunders a few years ago.

Thunders and ventures all extend the wheelbase relative to indys and aces though.

Why remove the bottom washer? I assume that loosens it up a bit but couldn't you just run the truck a half turn looser? I've skated without washers before and in my experience all it did was make my bushings crumble faster and reduce overall stability without too much of an increase in turn. Adding a riser pad on an already high truck would probably be a bit weird especially if its already less stable from removing the bottom washer.

I guess I skate my trucks at a solid medium, medium loose sometimes, so maybe what we're after is very different.

Honestly it sounds like a stock lurpiv that you run loose could work fine and you wouldn't have to mess with it. But if you insist on modifying things a bunch, maybe just consider standard indys, do all your adjustments and then swap out the kingpin for a krux.
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Removing the bottom washer started for me kinda by accident. Switching to bones bushings, they recommend ditch the washers completely, then going to soft doh dohs I needed the top washer to keep the truck together, and then I made it back to Indy bushings with the top washer and no bottom washer. I've been rocking that for about a year and I really like the turn, but I'm a little too quick to wheel bite so I think I'm going to add riser pads in my next set up. I've been studying truck geometry recently and I've narrowed down the few variables that I think actually affect the turning, and I had been inadvertantly affecting a few of them by removing that washer. Basically if you remove the bottom washer, or if your bottom bushing is smaller or lower for whatever reason, your hanger is going to sit a little lower, and a little closer to the middle of the board, and therefore also sit at a different angle - all 3 things affect the turning. Sitting lower will cause the king pin to stick out more relative to the hanger, so downlow king pin is definitely the move for this alteration. Sitting lower makes you more prone to wheel bite, so I'm adding riser pads in the next set up (side note - there's another factor causing wheel bite quicker but that will be later in the comment). Sitting closer to the middle of the board is shortening the wheel base - which means shorter turning radius. But what I think is the main advantage is when you sit lower you change the angle that the hanger sits so you increase the responsiveness of the turn. Responsiveness always seemed like a vague thing but I can explain precisely what I mean - Basically when you lean, how much of that leaning force is converted into the hangers rotating. I'll explain how I think it works because I didn't do all this research just to keep it in my head haha. Basically when you lean on one side you're causing the hanger to rotate by providing a net force perpendicular to the rotational axis. The rotational axis is the line from the pivot cup to where the hanger touches the bottom bushing. You can check for yourself right now if you hold your board so that the line from the pivot cup to the bottom bushing is straight vertical. Then look at where your wheel bite marks are and you'll see that the line from your wheel to the wheel bite mark is horizontal. When you change the angle of the rotational axis relative to the deck, the relationship is changed between the forces you apply to the deck and how much the hangers rotate. If your bottom bushing is lower than normal, then the angle from the pivot cup to where the hanger touches the bushing (the rotational axis) is more parallel to the ground than normal, and therefore more perpendicular to your downward leaning force. The more perpendicular the direction of force is to the rotational axis, the more torque on the rotational axis, in other words more of your lean is converted to the hanger turning. Back to wheel bite - I mentioned lowering the bushing adds wheel bite by another factor and that is related to the angle change. If the hangers rotational axis is more paralell with the ground, the hanger rotating will intersect with the board quicker. So downlow king pin, riser pads, and no bottom washer - and I think I'm going to do it on Ace, that's my gamble for 2022.

If I understand correctly, you're doing all this so that the hanger sits at a slightly sharper angle for a little more responsiveness?

What trucks do you currently skate?

May be wrong, but I think venture hangers are pretty perpendicular, hence the extended wheelbase whereas Aces, compared to most trucks, probably already have a hanger that sits at a more aggressive angle, contributing to the more responsive turn. Again, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

It honestly sounds like unless you need some crazy, unparalleled degree of "responsiveness", which I would guess is at the expense of some stability, stock Aces should be good enough. Generally considered the "turniest" truck on the market with the shortest wb.

I personally don't see how removing the bottom washer would result in such drastic benefits that its worth getting risers and a custom kingpin just to offset the drawbacks.

Personally speaking, risers, more wheelbite and a lack of stability would mess with my skating way more than a marginally better turn would benefit it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skunty on February 18, 2022, 12:19:03 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on February 18, 2022, 11:58:27 AM
Quote from: skunty on February 18, 2022, 11:35:04 AM
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Quote from: tzhangdox on February 18, 2022, 02:59:42 AM
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I think the k5 kingpin should work in all those trucks but can't say for sure. Haven't tried installing my own inverted kingpin since krux pins in thunders a few years ago.

Thunders and ventures all extend the wheelbase relative to indys and aces though.

Why remove the bottom washer? I assume that loosens it up a bit but couldn't you just run the truck a half turn looser? I've skated without washers before and in my experience all it did was make my bushings crumble faster and reduce overall stability without too much of an increase in turn. Adding a riser pad on an already high truck would probably be a bit weird especially if its already less stable from removing the bottom washer.

I guess I skate my trucks at a solid medium, medium loose sometimes, so maybe what we're after is very different.

Honestly it sounds like a stock lurpiv that you run loose could work fine and you wouldn't have to mess with it. But if you insist on modifying things a bunch, maybe just consider standard indys, do all your adjustments and then swap out the kingpin for a krux.
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Removing the bottom washer started for me kinda by accident. Switching to bones bushings, they recommend ditch the washers completely, then going to soft doh dohs I needed the top washer to keep the truck together, and then I made it back to Indy bushings with the top washer and no bottom washer. I've been rocking that for about a year and I really like the turn, but I'm a little too quick to wheel bite so I think I'm going to add riser pads in my next set up. I've been studying truck geometry recently and I've narrowed down the few variables that I think actually affect the turning, and I had been inadvertantly affecting a few of them by removing that washer. Basically if you remove the bottom washer, or if your bottom bushing is smaller or lower for whatever reason, your hanger is going to sit a little lower, and a little closer to the middle of the board, and therefore also sit at a different angle - all 3 things affect the turning. Sitting lower will cause the king pin to stick out more relative to the hanger, so downlow king pin is definitely the move for this alteration. Sitting lower makes you more prone to wheel bite, so I'm adding riser pads in the next set up (side note - there's another factor causing wheel bite quicker but that will be later in the comment). Sitting closer to the middle of the board is shortening the wheel base - which means shorter turning radius. But what I think is the main advantage is when you sit lower you change the angle that the hanger sits so you increase the responsiveness of the turn. Responsiveness always seemed like a vague thing but I can explain precisely what I mean - Basically when you lean, how much of that leaning force is converted into the hangers rotating. I'll explain how I think it works because I didn't do all this research just to keep it in my head haha. Basically when you lean on one side you're causing the hanger to rotate by providing a net force perpendicular to the rotational axis. The rotational axis is the line from the pivot cup to where the hanger touches the bottom bushing. You can check for yourself right now if you hold your board so that the line from the pivot cup to the bottom bushing is straight vertical. Then look at where your wheel bite marks are and you'll see that the line from your wheel to the wheel bite mark is horizontal. When you change the angle of the rotational axis relative to the deck, the relationship is changed between the forces you apply to the deck and how much the hangers rotate. If your bottom bushing is lower than normal, then the angle from the pivot cup to where the hanger touches the bushing (the rotational axis) is more parallel to the ground than normal, and therefore more perpendicular to your downward leaning force. The more perpendicular the direction of force is to the rotational axis, the more torque on the rotational axis, in other words more of your lean is converted to the hanger turning. Back to wheel bite - I mentioned lowering the bushing adds wheel bite by another factor and that is related to the angle change. If the hangers rotational axis is more paralell with the ground, the hanger rotating will intersect with the board quicker. So downlow king pin, riser pads, and no bottom washer - and I think I'm going to do it on Ace, that's my gamble for 2022.
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If I understand correctly, you're doing all this so that the hanger sits at a slightly sharper angle for a little more responsiveness?

What trucks do you currently skate?

May be wrong, but I think venture hangers are pretty perpendicular, hence the extended wheelbase whereas Aces, compared to most trucks, probably already have a hanger that sits at a more aggressive angle, contributing to the more responsive turn. Again, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

It honestly sounds like unless you need some crazy, unparalleled degree of "responsiveness", which I would guess is at the expense of some stability, stock Aces should be good enough. Generally considered the "turniest" truck on the market with the shortest wb.

I personally don't see how removing the bottom washer would result in such drastic benefits that its worth getting risers and a custom kingpin just to offset the drawbacks.

Personally speaking, risers, more wheelbite and a lack of stability would mess with my skating way more than a marginally better turn would benefit it.

If I were starting from scratch I wouldn't bother with all this mess, but I've been skating no bottom washer with bushings ranging from soft to med on Indy 149 hollow for about 2 years and I would say the turn on my trucks is pretty unique compared to when I hop on other boards. The only reason I've even bothered to figure anything out is because my local shop doesn't carry any NHS anymore so I wanted to research other brands to stay local, and that got me digging into what actually affects a truck. You're spot on that Ace is probably the most close to what my trucks feel like, and if I'm switching brands I'm pretty much starting from scratch regardless, but the god's honest truth is that thinking about and tinkering with this shit is fun, so if I can convince myself that I'm perfecting my set up and have fun doing it that's a double win. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 18, 2022, 12:52:53 PM
I guess it can be fun, but in this case I'm just not convinced that you're perfecting it but rather just making things more complicated and worse for yourself.

Wheelbite and clearance related issues are problems you're going to be creating for yourself. And the solutions come with their own set of problems. Risers will alter the timing for all your tricks, and probably not in a good way because it sounds like you wouldn't skate risers without this wheelbite issue caused by removing the top washer. Inverted kingpins sometimes have a tendency to loosen and in my experience are generally a pain in the ass. You also can't see how many threads you have showing or if your kingpin nut is flush, not a problem to most people but definitely messes with me a little bit.

Plus like the homie said, this is probably going to wear out your pivot cups even faster.

If I were to try a new truck brand from scratch I feel like I'd might as just get used to it the way it was designed to be and see if I like it that way before involving all these workarounds that sound more problematic than they are helpful.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skunty on February 18, 2022, 01:54:44 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on February 18, 2022, 12:52:53 PM
I guess it can be fun, but in this case I'm just not convinced that you're perfecting it but rather just making things more complicated and worse for yourself.

Wheelbite and clearance related issues are problems you're going to be creating for yourself. And the solutions come with their own set of problems. Risers will alter the timing for all your tricks, and probably not in a good way because it sounds like you wouldn't skate risers without this wheelbite issue caused by removing the top washer. Inverted kingpins sometimes have a tendency to loosen and in my experience are generally a pain in the ass. You also can't see how many threads you have showing or if your kingpin nut is flush, not a problem to most people but definitely messes with me a little bit.

Plus like the homie said, this is probably going to wear out your pivot cups even faster.

If I were to try a new truck brand from scratch I feel like I'd might as just get used to it the way it was designed to be and see if I like it that way before involving all these workarounds that sound more problematic than they are helpful.

true... it's all perspective I guess. I was recognizing the riser pads changing the pop but regarding it as a likely good thing - basically interested in the arguments that Professor Schmidt makes in favor of riser pads. That said, if I'm going with a new brand, no point in fucking with something I don't know. I think the next trucks I ride will just be AF1s raw from the package, but rather than buying them when I head to the store in 30 minutes, I'm just gonna get riser pads and keep squeezing the last bit of life out of these melted Indys with the missing washer.

I guess I'm kinda shocked that the only brands that do downlow king pins are Indy, Krux (both NHS), Grind King, and Lurpiv. There's gotta be something else right?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 18, 2022, 02:10:43 PM
The new royals have inverted kingpins and apparently are pretty good. Besides that I don't know of anybody else. Thunder had a few prototypes in the works a few years ago but nothing made it to production. Ventures have very good clearance already, possibly more than some inverted kingpin trucks (don't quote me on this).

The riser pad thing is a bit more nuanced than what professor schmidt said in that video. On paper you get more maximum potential pop, but you have to have the leg strength, jump and technique to make use of it. In practice, depending on what you're used to, what kind of skating you do, the rest of your setup, and most importantly your technique, it may be better or worse.

Thats also just for getting maximum pop on tricks too. A lot of flatground tricks, grinds and slides are harder if the tail requires more time and effort to hit the ground, though some are also easier. Thats why many people like low trucks. I know that personally I don't like going over 54mm on ventures at the very most, despite a higher board giving me more theoretical pop.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skunty on February 18, 2022, 02:19:19 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on February 18, 2022, 02:10:43 PM
The new royals have inverted kingpins and apparently are pretty good. Besides that I don't know of anybody else. Thunder had a few prototypes in the works a few years ago but nothing made it to production. Ventures have very good clearance already, possibly more than some inverted kingpin trucks (don't quote me on this).

The riser pad thing is a bit more nuanced than what professor schmidt said in that video. On paper you get more maximum potential pop, but you have to have the leg strength, jump and technique to make use of it. In practice, depending on what you're used to, what kind of skating you do, the rest of your setup, and most importantly your technique, it may be better or worse.

Thats also just for getting maximum pop on tricks too. A lot of flatground tricks, grinds and slides are harder if the tail requires more time and effort to hit the ground, though some are also easier. Thats why many people like low trucks. I know that personally I don't like going over 54mm on ventures at the very most, despite a higher board giving me more theoretical pop.

Good shit.. my local has Royals and AF1s so I've got 2 to consider while I melt the last bit of these Indy's experimenting with riser pads.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 18, 2022, 02:33:42 PM
Quote from: skunty on February 18, 2022, 02:19:19 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on February 18, 2022, 02:10:43 PM
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The new royals have inverted kingpins and apparently are pretty good. Besides that I don't know of anybody else. Thunder had a few prototypes in the works a few years ago but nothing made it to production. Ventures have very good clearance already, possibly more than some inverted kingpin trucks (don't quote me on this).

The riser pad thing is a bit more nuanced than what professor schmidt said in that video. On paper you get more maximum potential pop, but you have to have the leg strength, jump and technique to make use of it. In practice, depending on what you're used to, what kind of skating you do, the rest of your setup, and most importantly your technique, it may be better or worse.

Thats also just for getting maximum pop on tricks too. A lot of flatground tricks, grinds and slides are harder if the tail requires more time and effort to hit the ground, though some are also easier. Thats why many people like low trucks. I know that personally I don't like going over 54mm on ventures at the very most, despite a higher board giving me more theoretical pop.
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Good shit.. my local has Royals and AF1s so I've got 2 to consider while I melt the last bit of these Indy's experimenting with riser pads.

Two very very different trucks, depends on your priorities and what you like to skate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skunty on February 18, 2022, 02:38:25 PM
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The new royals have inverted kingpins and apparently are pretty good. Besides that I don't know of anybody else. Thunder had a few prototypes in the works a few years ago but nothing made it to production. Ventures have very good clearance already, possibly more than some inverted kingpin trucks (don't quote me on this).

The riser pad thing is a bit more nuanced than what professor schmidt said in that video. On paper you get more maximum potential pop, but you have to have the leg strength, jump and technique to make use of it. In practice, depending on what you're used to, what kind of skating you do, the rest of your setup, and most importantly your technique, it may be better or worse.

Thats also just for getting maximum pop on tricks too. A lot of flatground tricks, grinds and slides are harder if the tail requires more time and effort to hit the ground, though some are also easier. Thats why many people like low trucks. I know that personally I don't like going over 54mm on ventures at the very most, despite a higher board giving me more theoretical pop.
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Good shit.. my local has Royals and AF1s so I've got 2 to consider while I melt the last bit of these Indy's experimenting with riser pads.
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Two very very different trucks, depends on your priorities and what you like to skate.

Mmm... my modified Indy's turn similar to AF1s so I'm partial to that, but the downlow king pin is really intriguing to me because I still deal with hang up issues, though that might be becuase of my mods and might not be an issue on a stock AF1.  How do the royals with the downlows turn?

edit: wtf, crailstore shows the royal inverted have an 8.25 axel and 8.75, but no 8.5?? Damn I think if I wanted inverted kingpin I'd have to not go with the local shop anyways, so I'd probably go Indy mids. Or I can go traditional kingpin and just take my pick of the non-NHS litter, which would I'd probably go with AF1s. damn it's hard to decide because I'm probably going to ride them for like a year.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 18, 2022, 02:50:04 PM
I don’t think people like inverted kingpins much as they tend to come loose and don’t offer much benefit if you don’t get something like the Krux downlow. I don’t think kingpin clearance is an issue for most people on modern high trucks once they nut gets some scrapes. Kingpin nuts are always softer than an inverted pin.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 18, 2022, 02:51:25 PM
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The new royals have inverted kingpins and apparently are pretty good. Besides that I don't know of anybody else. Thunder had a few prototypes in the works a few years ago but nothing made it to production. Ventures have very good clearance already, possibly more than some inverted kingpin trucks (don't quote me on this).

The riser pad thing is a bit more nuanced than what professor schmidt said in that video. On paper you get more maximum potential pop, but you have to have the leg strength, jump and technique to make use of it. In practice, depending on what you're used to, what kind of skating you do, the rest of your setup, and most importantly your technique, it may be better or worse.

Thats also just for getting maximum pop on tricks too. A lot of flatground tricks, grinds and slides are harder if the tail requires more time and effort to hit the ground, though some are also easier. Thats why many people like low trucks. I know that personally I don't like going over 54mm on ventures at the very most, despite a higher board giving me more theoretical pop.
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Good shit.. my local has Royals and AF1s so I've got 2 to consider while I melt the last bit of these Indy's experimenting with riser pads.
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Two very very different trucks, depends on your priorities and what you like to skate.
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Mmm... my modified Indy's turn similar to AF1s so I'm partial to that, but the downlow king pin is really intriguing to me because I still deal with hang up issues, though that might be becuase of my mods and might not be an issue on a stock AF1.  How do the royals with the downlows turn?

edit: wtf, crailstore shows the royal inverted have an 8.25 axel and 8.75, but no 8.5?? Damn I think if I wanted inverted kingpin I'd have to not go with the local shop anyways, so I'd probably go Indy mids. Or I can go traditional kingpin and just take my pick of the non-NHS litter, which would I'd probably go with AF1s. damn it's hard to decide because I'm probably going to ride them for like a year.

Sounds like AF1 is the move. If hang up is really a dealbreaker you can always swap out the kingpin afterwards. I've never really had a problem with kingpin hang up on any truck in recent memory except maybe Thunders. But even then, once you do a bunch of smiths, grind down the kingpin nut a little bit and its smoothed out you can't really feel it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on February 18, 2022, 02:53:10 PM
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The new royals have inverted kingpins and apparently are pretty good. Besides that I don't know of anybody else. Thunder had a few prototypes in the works a few years ago but nothing made it to production. Ventures have very good clearance already, possibly more than some inverted kingpin trucks (don't quote me on this).

The riser pad thing is a bit more nuanced than what professor schmidt said in that video. On paper you get more maximum potential pop, but you have to have the leg strength, jump and technique to make use of it. In practice, depending on what you're used to, what kind of skating you do, the rest of your setup, and most importantly your technique, it may be better or worse.

Thats also just for getting maximum pop on tricks too. A lot of flatground tricks, grinds and slides are harder if the tail requires more time and effort to hit the ground, though some are also easier. Thats why many people like low trucks. I know that personally I don't like going over 54mm on ventures at the very most, despite a higher board giving me more theoretical pop.
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Good shit.. my local has Royals and AF1s so I've got 2 to consider while I melt the last bit of these Indy's experimenting with riser pads.
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Two very very different trucks, depends on your priorities and what you like to skate.
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Mmm... my modified Indy's turn similar to AF1s so I'm partial to that, but the downlow king pin is really intriguing to me because I still deal with hang up issues, though that might be becuase of my mods and might not be an issue on a stock AF1.  How do the royals with the downlows turn?

edit: wtf, crailstore shows the royal inverted have an 8.25 axel and 8.75, but no 8.5?? Damn I think if I wanted inverted kingpin I'd have to not go with the local shop anyways, so I'd probably go Indy mids. Or I can go traditional kingpin and just take my pick of the non-NHS litter, which would I'd probably go with AF1s. damn it's hard to decide because I'm probably going to ride them for like a year.

Royal's turn good, but not as sharp/responsive as Ace. They definitely have 8.5 inverted kingpin versions (I have a pair).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on February 18, 2022, 04:56:12 PM
Venture Hi's are the answer for anyone with gear madness that hates the average kingpin clearance of most trucks. The yoke also sits tucked behind the baseplate which no other truck design has. Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny. I've still gone back to Ace and even vintage Indy's with little to no kingpin clearance but at the end of the day Ventures are like the least truck you need to mess around with to check all the boxes in terms of function, design, and durability.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skunty on February 18, 2022, 09:12:25 PM
I ended up getting AF1s, plus some new 53 conical fulls and a fresh baker 8.47 with 14.25wb, and a set of riser pads to throw under my modified Indys, so now I've got 2 set ups. The modded Indy + riser + old wheels (approx 50mm) is almost identical deck height to my AF1s with brand new 53s. I've only been able to ride them around a few feet in my house so I can't give a full report. The modded Indy is definitely more responsive than the stock AF1s, but I'm not gonna mod the AF1s because I think the added stability will probably help once I get used to it. I think I'll swap the wheels on the modded Indy board for some big honkers and make it my cruiser/transition board.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 19, 2022, 07:36:33 AM
Quote from: logjammin on February 18, 2022, 04:56:12 PM
Venture Hi's are the answer for anyone with gear madness that hates the average kingpin clearance of most trucks. The yoke also sits tucked behind the baseplate which no other truck design has. Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny. I've still gone back to Ace and even vintage Indy's with little to no kingpin clearance but at the end of the day Ventures are like the least truck you need to mess around with to check all the boxes in terms of function, design, and durability.

Then why do 95% of people on here replace the top washer and fuck with the bushings? Don’t get me wrong I think Ventures turn and do everything fine, but they do crumble top bushings faster with the stock washer due to how it digs into the bushings and hanger.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skunty on February 19, 2022, 08:11:18 AM
Quote from: skunty on February 18, 2022, 09:12:25 PM
I ended up getting AF1s, plus some new 53 conical fulls and a fresh baker 8.47 with 14.25wb, and a set of riser pads to throw under my modified Indys, so now I've got 2 set ups. The modded Indy + riser + old wheels (approx 50mm) is almost identical deck height to my AF1s with brand new 53s. I've only been able to ride them around a few feet in my house so I can't give a full report. The modded Indy is definitely more responsive than the stock AF1s, but I'm not gonna mod the AF1s because I think the added stability will probably help once I get used to it. I think I'll swap the wheels on the modded Indy board for some big honkers and make it my cruiser/transition board.

Update: new set up is awesome for flip tricks, landed the first fs flip of my life in my basement last night.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chavo on February 19, 2022, 06:50:13 PM
Anyone have experience with Minilogo bushings?

It's a little disconcerting how small the stock Indy top bushing is. It seems like the top washer will hit the yoke and I want to replace it with something similar yet taller.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 19, 2022, 07:31:56 PM
Of Thunder, Indy, and Venture the Indy washer hits the yoke the least.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on February 20, 2022, 08:03:22 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on February 19, 2022, 07:36:33 AM
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Venture Hi's are the answer for anyone with gear madness that hates the average kingpin clearance of most trucks. The yoke also sits tucked behind the baseplate which no other truck design has. Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny. I've still gone back to Ace and even vintage Indy's with little to no kingpin clearance but at the end of the day Ventures are like the least truck you need to mess around with to check all the boxes in terms of function, design, and durability.
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Then why do 95% of people on here replace the top washer and fuck with the bushings? Don’t get me wrong I think Ventures turn and do everything fine, but they do crumble top bushings faster with the stock washer due to how it digs into the bushings and hanger.

I can't speak to the bushing crumble or washer issue because I don't skate any truck stock without messing with bushings/washers to some degree. I usually don't even run a top washer and if I do it's the flat Bones washer. Not hard to mess with those things and that's why Ventures work great for me because that's the extent I have to go to besides maybe a little wax in the pivot cups. The clearance and overall design of the truck is unique and makes sense, a very non-complicated truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 20, 2022, 11:57:05 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on February 19, 2022, 07:36:33 AM
Quote from: logjammin on February 18, 2022, 04:56:12 PM
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Venture Hi's are the answer for anyone with gear madness that hates the average kingpin clearance of most trucks. The yoke also sits tucked behind the baseplate which no other truck design has. Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny. I've still gone back to Ace and even vintage Indy's with little to no kingpin clearance but at the end of the day Ventures are like the least truck you need to mess around with to check all the boxes in terms of function, design, and durability.
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Then why do 95% of people on here replace the top washer and fuck with the bushings? Don’t get me wrong I think Ventures turn and do everything fine, but they do crumble top bushings faster with the stock washer due to how it digs into the bushings and hanger.

Quote from: logjammin on February 18, 2022, 04:56:12 PM
Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny.

Dude, do you EVER read posts, thoroughly, to comprehend the message before you post?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bunk Moreland on February 20, 2022, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on February 19, 2022, 07:36:33 AM
Quote from: logjammin on February 18, 2022, 04:56:12 PM
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Venture Hi's are the answer for anyone with gear madness that hates the average kingpin clearance of most trucks. The yoke also sits tucked behind the baseplate which no other truck design has. Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny. I've still gone back to Ace and even vintage Indy's with little to no kingpin clearance but at the end of the day Ventures are like the least truck you need to mess around with to check all the boxes in terms of function, design, and durability.
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Then why do 95% of people on here replace the top washer and fuck with the bushings? Don’t get me wrong I think Ventures turn and do everything fine, but they do crumble top bushings faster with the stock washer due to how it digs into the bushings and hanger.
Because those people are not indicative of venture riders as a whole. They’re freaks that blame their equipment for their lack of skill.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 20, 2022, 01:01:36 PM
Quote from: Xen on February 20, 2022, 11:57:05 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on February 19, 2022, 07:36:33 AM
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Venture Hi's are the answer for anyone with gear madness that hates the average kingpin clearance of most trucks. The yoke also sits tucked behind the baseplate which no other truck design has. Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny. I've still gone back to Ace and even vintage Indy's with little to no kingpin clearance but at the end of the day Ventures are like the least truck you need to mess around with to check all the boxes in terms of function, design, and durability.
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Then why do 95% of people on here replace the top washer and fuck with the bushings? Don’t get me wrong I think Ventures turn and do everything fine, but they do crumble top bushings faster with the stock washer due to how it digs into the bushings and hanger.
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Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny.
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Dude, do you EVER read posts, thoroughly, to comprehend the message before you post?

I did, which is why if you read the last fucking sentence “…the least truck you need to mess around with” it’s a direct contradiction to what you bolded. Especially considering most people don’t replace washers and bushings on their trucks on other brands to avoid the top washer binding with the hanger and shredding the bushing. That and Venture wearing out much faster to me shows that the post I quoted is incorrect as both of those things would represent a design or construction flaw.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 20, 2022, 01:02:54 PM
Quote from: Bunk Moreland on February 20, 2022, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on February 19, 2022, 07:36:33 AM
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Quote from: logjammin on February 18, 2022, 04:56:12 PM
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Venture Hi's are the answer for anyone with gear madness that hates the average kingpin clearance of most trucks. The yoke also sits tucked behind the baseplate which no other truck design has. Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny. I've still gone back to Ace and even vintage Indy's with little to no kingpin clearance but at the end of the day Ventures are like the least truck you need to mess around with to check all the boxes in terms of function, design, and durability.
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Then why do 95% of people on here replace the top washer and fuck with the bushings? Don’t get me wrong I think Ventures turn and do everything fine, but they do crumble top bushings faster with the stock washer due to how it digs into the bushings and hanger.
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Because those people are not indicative of venture riders as a whole. They’re freaks that blame their equipment for their lack of skill.

I know some pretty good skaters that rock Ventures and can’t think of one that has the stock washers and bushings in, mostly because the top ones often shred.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 20, 2022, 02:33:09 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on February 20, 2022, 01:01:36 PM
Quote from: Xen on February 20, 2022, 11:57:05 AM
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Quote from: logjammin on February 18, 2022, 04:56:12 PM
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Venture Hi's are the answer for anyone with gear madness that hates the average kingpin clearance of most trucks. The yoke also sits tucked behind the baseplate which no other truck design has. Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny. I've still gone back to Ace and even vintage Indy's with little to no kingpin clearance but at the end of the day Ventures are like the least truck you need to mess around with to check all the boxes in terms of function, design, and durability.
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Then why do 95% of people on here replace the top washer and fuck with the bushings? Don’t get me wrong I think Ventures turn and do everything fine, but they do crumble top bushings faster with the stock washer due to how it digs into the bushings and hanger.
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Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny.
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Dude, do you EVER read posts, thoroughly, to comprehend the message before you post?
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I did, which is why if you read the last fucking sentence “…the least truck you need to mess around with” it’s a direct contradiction to what you bolded. Especially considering most people don’t replace washers and bushings on their trucks on other brands to avoid the top washer binding with the hanger and shredding the bushing. That and Venture wearing out much faster to me shows that the post I quoted is incorrect as both of those things would represent a design or construction flaw.

You're not getting it. He's clearly talking about ALL THE OTHER MERITS OF THE TRUCK, over other trucks, and once you dial in the bushings to YOUR PERSONAL PREFERENCE it does 'everything' great.



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 20, 2022, 04:39:07 PM
I don’t read it that way, but it’s written quite poorly and I still think his point is contradictory as written. I guess we can debate grammar, but it’s fairly obvious how the sentence structure and wording could be read both ways.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mr. Stinky on February 20, 2022, 05:53:10 PM
Just thought I’d pop in and say that Venture 5.8s with Bones mediums and the little top washer have been so great for me recently that I will most likely just keep skating them with blue eagles for the foreseeable future. Like, madness receding type thing.

Anyway, bushings are easy to figure out if you don’t like how they feel. Everyone knows you might like a truck but not like the bushings, which is why they sell different bushings. Shout out to LebowskisRug for being an old fashioned message board crank about this very uncontroversial point.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 20, 2022, 06:03:01 PM
The original post was a little confusing to me too... can def be read both ways.

I do stock bushings in ventures with a flat bones top washer but have to replace the top bushing pretty frequently (or use a blue indy top bushing).

Flat top washer makes it feel a bit better. Stock ventures are fine too, but the weak bushings are definitely a problem for a lot of people. Sucks because around about when my ventures with stock bushings feel their absolute best in terms of turn and responsiveness, I know that I'm going to have to swap the bushings out soon.

Kinda unrelated, but if having to replace the hanger/baseplate is also considered "messing with the truck", then Ventures also fall a little short because the the hanger grinds down to the axle and the baseplate wears to the pivot cup much quicker than on say an Indy or Thunder and you definitely have to replace them more frequently. Axles can bend a little too, unsure how that specifically compares to other trucks but definitely happens on ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 20, 2022, 06:52:40 PM
Quote from: Mr. Stinky on February 20, 2022, 05:53:10 PM
Just thought I’d pop in and say that Venture 5.8s with Bones mediums and the little top washer have been so great for me recently that I will most likely just keep skating them with blue eagles for the foreseeable future. Like, madness receding type thing.

Anyway, bushings are easy to figure out if you don’t like how they feel. Everyone knows you might like a truck but not like the bushings, which is why they sell different bushings. Shout out to LebowskisRug for being an old fashioned message board crank about this very uncontroversial point.

I don’t care about swapping bushings at all, I just thought the original thing I responded to sounded a little weird so I pointed that out. Do whatever makes your trucks feel solid.

The way I judge design and construction might be different than others but I’d say if something has to be modified in the majority of cases and wears out prematurely then it’s a flaw to be noted, but zero trucks are perfect hence the whole notion of madness. There’s a lot I like about each truck minus Ace so far and I actually love the Venture stock bushings and find them to be a solid truck, just not necessarily my choice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mr. Stinky on February 20, 2022, 07:00:22 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on February 20, 2022, 06:52:40 PM
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Just thought I’d pop in and say that Venture 5.8s with Bones mediums and the little top washer have been so great for me recently that I will most likely just keep skating them with blue eagles for the foreseeable future. Like, madness receding type thing.

Anyway, bushings are easy to figure out if you don’t like how they feel. Everyone knows you might like a truck but not like the bushings, which is why they sell different bushings. Shout out to LebowskisRug for being an old fashioned message board crank about this very uncontroversial point.
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I don’t care about swapping bushings at all, I just thought the original thing I responded to sounded a little weird so I pointed that out. Do whatever makes your trucks feel solid.

The way I judge design and construction might be different than others but I’d say if something has to be modified in the majority of cases and wears out prematurely then it’s a flaw to be noted, but zero trucks are perfect hence the whole notion of madness. There’s a lot I like about each truck minus Ace so far and I actually love the Venture stock bushings and find them to be a solid truck, just not necessarily my choice.

You’re a good sport, I was just giving you a hard time. Ventures definitely go quicker on curbs than most, but like I say, they work great for my skating and feel very nice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 21, 2022, 07:37:31 AM
I find thunders to be way worse in that there is less meat on them, plus they seem softer/grind better.  With the better clearance, Ventures will last me longer.  Indy’s on the other hand would last longer. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Justrollingthru on February 21, 2022, 08:47:11 PM
Venture V-lights 5.6 (hollow kingpin, forged baseplates)

•Independent 94a conical feet side

•Ace Af1 pivot cups

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Just need to get a flat washer that actually fits to replace the street side rolled washer and it's good to go. Haven't skated yet but I'm stoked so far.

Excuse the picture quality I still have barely a clue of what I'm doing with pictures here.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 21, 2022, 09:50:00 PM
Why didn’t you ride em stock first?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Justrollingthru on February 21, 2022, 10:00:12 PM
I've only ever ridden stock trucks. This is the first board I've had in a long time. I'm getting back into it. I'm just making it special ya know?

I have all of bushings and pivot cups still. If I need them, they'll be there.

I wanna be that guy that with the nicest setup in the park that has no idea what he's doing haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on February 22, 2022, 01:47:42 AM
Quote from: Justrollingthru on February 21, 2022, 08:47:11 PM
Venture V-lights 5.6 (hollow kingpin, forged baseplates)

•Independent 94a conical feet side

•Ace Af1 pivot cups

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Just need to get a flat washer that actually fits to replace the street side rolled washer and it's good to go. Haven't skated yet but I'm stoked so far.

Excuse the picture quality I still have barely a clue of what I'm doing with pictures here.

A man after my own heart. This is very close to what I skated  the majority of last year on, except indy 92 conicals (blue) and riptide cups. They're my favorite all-around truck and if I ever do stick with one it'll probably be these. They're so much lighter than most people realize too... Like 330g out of the box. I never did flat washers, mostly because even switching from stock bushings to conicals was a big enough change for me. I love the stability they have and don't want to get away from that too much.

Edit: With those OG classic F4s monster truck tires your shits gonna feel like a limo in the best way. Just point it where you wanna go and hang on. You'll just plow through shit that used to knock you off your board. Perfect for hill bombs. If you like that wheel shape but not the formula NFG/loophole have a 95a v-cut that's similar shape but a little better suited to crust.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on February 22, 2022, 02:03:30 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on February 20, 2022, 01:02:54 PM
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Venture Hi's are the answer for anyone with gear madness that hates the average kingpin clearance of most trucks. The yoke also sits tucked behind the baseplate which no other truck design has. Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny. I've still gone back to Ace and even vintage Indy's with little to no kingpin clearance but at the end of the day Ventures are like the least truck you need to mess around with to check all the boxes in terms of function, design, and durability.
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Then why do 95% of people on here replace the top washer and fuck with the bushings? Don’t get me wrong I think Ventures turn and do everything fine, but they do crumble top bushings faster with the stock washer due to how it digs into the bushings and hanger.
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Because those people are not indicative of venture riders as a whole. They’re freaks that blame their equipment for their lack of skill.
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I know some pretty good skaters that rock Ventures and can’t think of one that has the stock washers and bushings in, mostly because the top ones often shred.

I have 6 pairs of ventures and none of them have a shredded top bushing. Your ranting is literally the first time I've even heard anyone complain about it. Do you see it happen with any other major truck brands like indy, thunder, or ace?

In my experience people usually swap venture bushings because they're quite a bit harder (94a) than stock bushings from other major retailers which are almost always 90a. Hence them being "stiff feeling" and the infinite "ventures don't turn because they don't flop over like my indys" threads here.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on February 22, 2022, 03:14:49 AM
venture stock bushings are 90a
agree with everything else though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 22, 2022, 07:15:59 AM
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Venture Hi's are the answer for anyone with gear madness that hates the average kingpin clearance of most trucks. The yoke also sits tucked behind the baseplate which no other truck design has. Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny. I've still gone back to Ace and even vintage Indy's with little to no kingpin clearance but at the end of the day Ventures are like the least truck you need to mess around with to check all the boxes in terms of function, design, and durability.
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Then why do 95% of people on here replace the top washer and fuck with the bushings? Don’t get me wrong I think Ventures turn and do everything fine, but they do crumble top bushings faster with the stock washer due to how it digs into the bushings and hanger.
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Because those people are not indicative of venture riders as a whole. They’re freaks that blame their equipment for their lack of skill.
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I know some pretty good skaters that rock Ventures and can’t think of one that has the stock washers and bushings in, mostly because the top ones often shred.
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I have 6 pairs of ventures and none of them have a shredded top bushing. Your ranting is literally the first time I've even heard anyone complain about it. Do you see it happen with any other major truck brands like indy, thunder, or ace?

In my experience people usually swap venture bushings because they're quite a bit harder (94a) than stock bushings from other major retailers which are almost always 90a. Hence them being "stiff feeling" and the infinite "ventures don't turn because they don't flop over like my indys" threads here.

Hey sorry you perceive it as ranting. I’ll honestly bring up the worst thing about any truck as they all have flaws.

The only time I have seen the bushings crumble on another brand of trucks is a friend’s AF1’s. I did think it was happening on my Indy’s, but when I removed the washer it looks as if the bushing is still whole it just shaved a bit off because the aftermarket replacement washers are smaller. I was using Indy aftermarket bushings in the past as they seemed to break in better but the new stocks are great.

On Venture it seems fairly common because the washer hits the hanger and puts a lot of stress on the top bushing. You can see the washer marks if people keep the stock washer. I have gotten the same marks on Thunders but never had the bushings split or anything although I seem to be the rare person that really likes Thunder bushings. I think Venture stock bushings are actually great. I would gladly rock them purple ones in Indys and make peoples heads explode.

I still think Ventures are solid trucks. I really like a lot of things about them personally minus the pop feel on the size board I currently ride.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 22, 2022, 09:14:44 AM
You may just be a shredder……
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 22, 2022, 09:51:49 AM
If I skate stock venture bushings with a bones flat top washer I have to replace the top bushings about every two months, doesn't happen with any other truck/bushing. I know a few others that run into this problem too albeit not as badly as me. Its definitely a thing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on February 22, 2022, 09:59:22 AM
I’ve long been a proponent of the flat top washer WHEN people complain about the turn/need more turn. Just riding mine stock, dramatically increases the life of the bushings. Plus some people that know how to skateboard have told me that it helps their pinch (stock top washer). I would not know, because I can’t pinch …shit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: switchfrontshuv on February 23, 2022, 12:27:12 PM
Quote from: Ok on February 22, 2022, 09:59:22 AM
I’ve long been a proponent of the flat top washer WHEN people complain about the turn/need more turn. Just riding mine stock, dramatically increases the life of the bushings. Plus some people that know how to skateboard have told me that it helps their pinch (stock top washer). I would not know, because I can’t pinch …shit.

In my experience (keep in mind the fact that I ride 55mm square wheels and high trucks - trash for pinch objectively) I found the opposite. I felt that in warm temperatures the venture stock setup would pinch well and offer good pop out of crooks too, given the stock washer gives it that extra little rebound to snap back in place.

Actually surprised me how good they felt on crooks (I mean you'd have to consider the longer WB gives better pinch too right)

In cold weather (less than 6-7 degrees C, id say), I find that the hardening of the bushing exaggerates that effect for pinchy tricks and it's a lot harder to to get into a solid pinch and hold it; its as if the truck is pushing you off and this leads to willies and coming out of crooks to noseslides.

The only way I've found to solve this is to use ace low bushings since they dont freeze untill negative temperatures, but unfortunately I have no access to those atm. Rn to combat this issue im just using 78a indy bottom bushings and a 78a top bushing (shaved down to venture top bushing height) for my front truck. This isn't working as well as i'd like however since indy bushings freeze to fuck around 6-7 degrees too.

Guess ill just wait for spring  -_-
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on February 23, 2022, 12:32:06 PM
Quote from: switchfrontshuv on February 23, 2022, 12:27:12 PM
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I’ve long been a proponent of the flat top washer WHEN people complain about the turn/need more turn. Just riding mine stock, dramatically increases the life of the bushings. Plus some people that know how to skateboard have told me that it helps their pinch (stock top washer). I would not know, because I can’t pinch …shit.
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In my experience (keep in mind the fact that I ride 55mm square wheels and high trucks - trash for pinch objectively) I found the opposite. I felt that in warm temperatures the venture stock setup would pinch well and offer good pop out of crooks too, given the stock washer gives it that extra little rebound to snap back in place.

Actually surprised me how good they felt on crooks (I mean you'd have to consider the longer WB gives better pinch too right)

In cold weather (less than 6-7 degrees C, id say), I find that the hardening of the bushing exaggerates that effect for pinchy tricks and it's a lot harder to to get into a solid pinch and hold it; its as if the truck is pushing you off and this leads to willies and coming out of crooks to noseslides.

The only way I've found to solve this is to use ace low bushings since they dont freeze untill negative temperatures, but unfortunately I have no access to those atm. Rn to combat this issue im just using 78a indy bottom bushings and a 78a top bushing (shaved down to venture top bushing height) for my front truck. This isn't working as well as i'd like however since indy bushings freeze to fuck around 6-7 degrees too.

Guess ill just wait for spring  -_-

I’m sure my little ramble wasn’t helpful: I was trying to say that the stock set up pinches well/turns well enough, and that the bushing last the longest.
Bones bushing do for ventures pretty well, imo. I prefer the hard bushings, loosened up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: switchfrontshuv on February 23, 2022, 12:35:09 PM
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I’ve long been a proponent of the flat top washer WHEN people complain about the turn/need more turn. Just riding mine stock, dramatically increases the life of the bushings. Plus some people that know how to skateboard have told me that it helps their pinch (stock top washer). I would not know, because I can’t pinch …shit.
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In my experience (keep in mind the fact that I ride 55mm square wheels and high trucks - trash for pinch objectively) I found the opposite. I felt that in warm temperatures the venture stock setup would pinch well and offer good pop out of crooks too, given the stock washer gives it that extra little rebound to snap back in place.

Actually surprised me how good they felt on crooks (I mean you'd have to consider the longer WB gives better pinch too right)

In cold weather (less than 6-7 degrees C, id say), I find that the hardening of the bushing exaggerates that effect for pinchy tricks and it's a lot harder to to get into a solid pinch and hold it; its as if the truck is pushing you off and this leads to willies and coming out of crooks to noseslides.

The only way I've found to solve this is to use ace low bushings since they dont freeze untill negative temperatures, but unfortunately I have no access to those atm. Rn to combat this issue im just using 78a indy bottom bushings and a 78a top bushing (shaved down to venture top bushing height) for my front truck. This isn't working as well as i'd like however since indy bushings freeze to fuck around 6-7 degrees too.

Guess ill just wait for spring  -_-
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I’m sure my little ramble wasn’t helpful: I was trying to say that the stock set up pinches well/turns well enough, and that the bushing last the longest.
Bones bushing do for ventures pretty well, imo. I prefer the hard bushings, loosened up.

oh no! I meant to support your post. I definitely think that stock setups are proper for good temps, but in some situations shit works really bad; Im in Canada so of course I have cold problems haha but in spring and summer I always rock stock! I find that it's enough turn for me especially in the +25C summers we have here. I will also say in my experience keeping shit stock definitely increases the life of bushings

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on February 23, 2022, 04:46:40 PM
Quote from: off on February 22, 2022, 03:14:49 AM
venture stock bushings are 90a
agree with everything else though

They're not. They're around 94a. I emailed them about this around 2 years ago. I can find it and post the response if you want.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on February 23, 2022, 04:52:36 PM
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Quote from: tzhangdox on February 22, 2022, 09:51:49 AM
If I skate stock venture bushings with a bones flat top washer I have to replace the top bushings about every two months, doesn't happen with any other truck/bushing. I know a few others that run into this problem too albeit not as badly as me. Its definitely a thing.

I'm going to guess it's something with the flat washer then because I've literally never seen it on stock washers and I've got or had almost every venture iteration spanning from 95 onward. The stock washers on the early 5.8 raws sometimes cut into the side if the edge is burred but I've never seen one crumble. Maybe you're compressing it differently than its designed to be or something.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on February 23, 2022, 04:59:15 PM
Quote from: switchfrontshuv on February 23, 2022, 12:27:12 PM
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I’ve long been a proponent of the flat top washer WHEN people complain about the turn/need more turn. Just riding mine stock, dramatically increases the life of the bushings. Plus some people that know how to skateboard have told me that it helps their pinch (stock top washer). I would not know, because I can’t pinch …shit.
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In my experience (keep in mind the fact that I ride 55mm square wheels and high trucks - trash for pinch objectively) I found the opposite. I felt that in warm temperatures the venture stock setup would pinch well and offer good pop out of crooks too, given the stock washer gives it that extra little rebound to snap back in place.

Actually surprised me how good they felt on crooks (I mean you'd have to consider the longer WB gives better pinch too right)

In cold weather (less than 6-7 degrees C, id say), I find that the hardening of the bushing exaggerates that effect for pinchy tricks and it's a lot harder to to get into a solid pinch and hold it; its as if the truck is pushing you off and this leads to willies and coming out of crooks to noseslides.

The only way I've found to solve this is to use ace low bushings since they dont freeze untill negative temperatures, but unfortunately I have no access to those atm. Rn to combat this issue im just using 78a indy bottom bushings and a 78a top bushing (shaved down to venture top bushing height) for my front truck. This isn't working as well as i'd like however since indy bushings freeze to fuck around 6-7 degrees too.

Guess ill just wait for spring  -_-

Can you get riptide or venom shit up there? I have a set of 92a from one of the longboard companies that barely change unless it's cold enough that it freezes the pivots in place. I'm sure they have an 87a-ish formula option as well that would be closer to the aces. You can even get small barrels which are probably similar size to the ace low bottom, or you can do what I did and just get shave them down until you get to the desired height.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: switchfrontshuv on February 23, 2022, 05:09:19 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on February 23, 2022, 04:59:15 PM
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I’ve long been a proponent of the flat top washer WHEN people complain about the turn/need more turn. Just riding mine stock, dramatically increases the life of the bushings. Plus some people that know how to skateboard have told me that it helps their pinch (stock top washer). I would not know, because I can’t pinch …shit.
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In my experience (keep in mind the fact that I ride 55mm square wheels and high trucks - trash for pinch objectively) I found the opposite. I felt that in warm temperatures the venture stock setup would pinch well and offer good pop out of crooks too, given the stock washer gives it that extra little rebound to snap back in place.

Actually surprised me how good they felt on crooks (I mean you'd have to consider the longer WB gives better pinch too right)

In cold weather (less than 6-7 degrees C, id say), I find that the hardening of the bushing exaggerates that effect for pinchy tricks and it's a lot harder to to get into a solid pinch and hold it; its as if the truck is pushing you off and this leads to willies and coming out of crooks to noseslides.

The only way I've found to solve this is to use ace low bushings since they dont freeze untill negative temperatures, but unfortunately I have no access to those atm. Rn to combat this issue im just using 78a indy bottom bushings and a 78a top bushing (shaved down to venture top bushing height) for my front truck. This isn't working as well as i'd like however since indy bushings freeze to fuck around 6-7 degrees too.

Guess ill just wait for spring  -_-
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Can you get riptide or venom shit up there? I have a set of 92a from one of the longboard companies that barely change unless it's cold enough that it freezes the pivots in place. I'm sure they have an 87a-ish formula option as well that would be closer to the aces. You can even get small barrels which are probably similar size to the ace low bottom, or you can do what I did and just get shave them down until you get to the desired height.

oh nah we can get all kinds of shit up here its just a lot of shit is outta stock atm. I guess people buy up that kinda shit fast. I was looking into those venom SHR bushings (i think thats what theyre called) but idk man might as well just tolerate this who cares anyway fuck turning fuck winter
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 23, 2022, 08:29:41 PM
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venture stock bushings are 90a
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They're not. They're around 94a. I emailed them about this around 2 years ago. I can find it and post the response if you want.


I think they might have changed it up since then.

Some of the older Ventures I had were definitely much harder bushings, compared to the newer ones and were night and day when skating the same setup with the different bushings last month. 

The result was about the same using the pliers squeeze test on the old bushings which definitely feel more like the Thunder 95 duro aftermarket blues, with the new ones feeling the same as stock Thunder and aftermarket 90 duro bushings from other brands too.


I tried looking for info as I seem to recall someone asking not that long ago and the reply was they are all 90 duro now on the DLX account or might have even been Venture account.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on February 23, 2022, 08:31:17 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CaK7s7ulPwk/?utm_medium=copy_link

…so who’s gonna be the first person to try this?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on February 23, 2022, 09:03:25 PM
I'm gonna stick to waxing my wheel wells when necessary
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beatifk on February 23, 2022, 09:47:51 PM
What's with putting a 1/2 of a riser under the nose/tail-side bolts?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on February 23, 2022, 09:58:25 PM
Quote from: beatifk on February 23, 2022, 09:47:51 PM
What's with putting a 1/2 of a riser under the nose/tail-side bolts?

i don't know their thoughts on it but its moving the wheel base in a tiny bit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 23, 2022, 10:00:51 PM
Quote from: beatifk on February 23, 2022, 09:47:51 PM
What's with putting a 1/2 of a riser under the nose/tail-side bolts?


To change the angle of the trucks, so they turn even more or less than normal.

Wedge risers are used by a lot of people in surf / skate type boards, to really get a lot more turn out of whatever trucks they are using.


I am not into longboards or those surf / skate type boards so was going to look up a video, but this came up as the first thing, which describes it better:


Adding wedge risers changes the angle of the kingpin and the pivot point, which means that you can increase or decrease how much your trucks turn depending on which direction you face the angled risers. To increase your turn capability, install the wedge risers so the thick part is closer to the center of the board.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: roba on February 24, 2022, 02:19:50 AM
yo i have a question

my girlfriend skates 147 thunders (team, not hollow or anything) and her bushings blew out or something. idk what happened exactly but the thing is that they don't turn. she wants to switch the bushings out but aftermarket thunder bushings are hardly available in poland. the other options are independent and bones bushings. i'm guessing that independent bushings won't fit but what about the bones?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 24, 2022, 03:09:14 AM
Quote from: roba on February 24, 2022, 02:19:50 AM
yo i have a question

my girlfriend skates 147 thunders (team, not hollow or anything) and her bushings blew out or something. idk what happened exactly but the thing is that they don't turn. she wants to switch the bushings out but aftermarket thunder bushings are hardly available in poland. the other options are independent and bones bushings. i'm guessing that independent bushings won't fit but what about the bones?


Indy bushings still fit just as easily in any trucks.

There are cylinder and conical so I would recommend the conical versions, probably the 90 duro orange ones, more than anything else.

I like to cut the tops down a bit just to have the kingpin nut sit a bit lower, but that is just me.


(https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/images/help/h-bushings.jpg)


Bones work just as well too (only they blow out faster), but are sometimes better for lighter people who do want more turn so the mediums would be best.


If the stock Thunder bushings were too hard or didn't allow for enough turn, you can try cutting the tops down a mm or two at the most and trying them as is again.

Most bushings are still not too bad, even if parts of them start to break on the outside, they are often still ok on the inside areas and will usually end up feeling softer and more easy on the turn too.


With any bushings, you can run them exactly as per factory settings, or you can take out the bottom washer to really make them turn more (and costs nothing to experiment) before buying any new ones.

I would be inclined to have a good look at them first, before just going out and buying more, but that is just me.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 24, 2022, 03:37:47 AM
Quote from: roba on February 24, 2022, 02:19:50 AM




Right now I am not able to go get pics of parts, but I have everything like that set up on something, so I just looked up some pics and sure enough, there are plenty online to choose from.

These pics show Thunder trucks with stock bushings that although they might look like they have issues, they are perfectly fine and will still skate ok for a while yet, as per some sets from people who thought they were done, but I have had them on boards that worked perfectly well for as long as I have had them set up.


(https://i.ibb.co/2sXZBfp/Thunder-Truck-bushings-issue1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/P9BD8fV)


(https://i.ibb.co/5sRSh5B/Thunder-Truck-bushings-issue2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SV3MwKR)


Then here is a pic of someone with Bones medium bushings on Thunder trucks, just to show you - top washer is optional, as is the flat black washer they come with.  Then below that is the most common issue with Bones bushings, where the harder plastic core and the white bushing separate and then the bushing is usually pretty much done.

Putting on a normal washer (like the first pic) can actually help prevent this, as well as make them last a little longer, but if it completely comes apart, then there is not a whole lot supporting the trucks, which will give an almost jiggly loose feel.


(https://i.ibb.co/9cHgFgW/Thunder-Truck-bones-bushings.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sb9R0Rq)


(https://i.ibb.co/q7g9QS5/Thunder-Truck-bones-bushings-issue.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zQ2bvMJ)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: roba on February 24, 2022, 04:34:34 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on February 24, 2022, 03:37:47 AM
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Right now I am not able to go get pics of parts, but I have everything like that set up on something, so I just looked up some pics and sure enough, there are plenty online to choose from.

These pics show Thunder trucks with stock bushings that although they might look like they have issues, they are perfectly fine and will still skate ok for a while yet, as per some sets from people who thought they were done, but I have had them on boards that worked perfectly well for as long as I have had them set up.


(https://i.ibb.co/2sXZBfp/Thunder-Truck-bushings-issue1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/P9BD8fV)


(https://i.ibb.co/5sRSh5B/Thunder-Truck-bushings-issue2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SV3MwKR)


Then here is a pic of someone with Bones medium bushings on Thunder trucks, just to show you - top washer is optional, as is the flat black washer they come with.  Then below that is the most common issue with Bones bushings, where the harder plastic core and the white bushing separate and then the bushing is usually pretty much done.

Putting on a normal washer (like the first pic) can actually help prevent this, as well as make them last a little longer, but if it completely comes apart, then there is not a whole lot supporting the trucks, which will give an almost jiggly loose feel.


(https://i.ibb.co/9cHgFgW/Thunder-Truck-bones-bushings.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sb9R0Rq)


(https://i.ibb.co/q7g9QS5/Thunder-Truck-bones-bushings-issue.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zQ2bvMJ)

oh she's very light, her weight is around 40kg, give or take. i loosened her trucks a lot but they still didn't turn, i had to lean really hard to get the board to turn and it barely did and i weigh twice as much. i've been on aces for about 4 years now but before that i skated thunders for about 4 years too and had no problem with turning so there's definitely something wrong with the bushings. i think we might go with the bones, we're going to keep the old stock washers on there and they should be good to go.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 24, 2022, 07:38:15 AM
Get aftermarket soft Thunder bushings, 2 sets, and use only the tops like Ishod. Id use a top washer on the bottom or no washer. If they don’t turn after that, then maybe try Bones soft.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: roba on February 24, 2022, 08:19:53 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on February 24, 2022, 07:38:15 AM
Get aftermarket soft Thunder bushings, 2 sets, and use only the tops like Ishod. Id use a top washer on the bottom or no washer. If they don’t turn after that, then maybe try Bones soft.

thunder bushings would be my first choice obviously but as i stated in my first post they are hard to find where i live, whereas the bones or the indys are available at my local skate shop
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on February 24, 2022, 08:25:55 AM
I found Krux bushings hold up better than the stock thunder ones, especially in the cold. Both Thunder and Krux bottom bushings are the same height so it won't mess with your geometry.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 24, 2022, 09:48:40 AM
Quote from: roba on February 24, 2022, 08:19:53 AM
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Get aftermarket soft Thunder bushings, 2 sets, and use only the tops like Ishod. Id use a top washer on the bottom or no washer. If they don’t turn after that, then maybe try Bones soft.
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thunder bushings would be my first choice obviously but as i stated in my first post they are hard to find where i live, whereas the bones or the indys are available at my local skate shop

Sorry, I didn't catch that. In that case I would do something similar with Indy softs or Bones softs. Honestly though I would keep a curved stock washer as it mildly helps prevent wheelbite with Thunder
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on February 24, 2022, 10:04:11 AM
broken stock bushing is part of the thunder aesthetic
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 24, 2022, 10:13:18 AM
Facts…what’s next, complaining about Indy stock bushings? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: roba on February 25, 2022, 02:56:49 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on February 24, 2022, 09:48:40 AM
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Get aftermarket soft Thunder bushings, 2 sets, and use only the tops like Ishod. Id use a top washer on the bottom or no washer. If they don’t turn after that, then maybe try Bones soft.
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thunder bushings would be my first choice obviously but as i stated in my first post they are hard to find where i live, whereas the bones or the indys are available at my local skate shop
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Sorry, I didn't catch that. In that case I would do something similar with Indy softs or Bones softs. Honestly though I would keep a curved stock washer as it mildly helps prevent wheelbite with Thunder

yeah, i think we will keep both stock washers with those bones bushings, especially if that might prevent them from blowing out like @Mbrimson88 said. wheelbite isn't really an issue for her because of her weight but i don't want the bushings to break too soon.

she bought the mediums instead because a friend had the softs and the plastic piece fell into the bushing after like a month of skating, he didn't use washers though. i pressed them in with my finger and the mediums still feel decently soft, definitely softer than the orange indys.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 25, 2022, 05:09:19 AM
Quote from: roba on February 24, 2022, 04:34:34 AM

oh she's very light, her weight is around 40kg, give or take. i loosened her trucks a lot but they still didn't turn, i had to lean really hard to get the board to turn and it barely did and i weigh twice as much. i've been on aces for about 4 years now but before that i skated thunders for about 4 years too and had no problem with turning so there's definitely something wrong with the bushings. i think we might go with the bones, we're going to keep the old stock washers on there and they should be good to go.


One of the things I was going to say as well but forgot, was the break in on any bushings.

I have helped little light weight kids with their boards, which they couldn't turn on at all for however long they had the board for, but when I stood on their board and leaned heel to toe and did that over and over for a minute or so, it actually made the bushings soften up a whole lot, so the extra weight of you just leaning the board side to side a whole lot might help with those bushings that are one it, as well as softening up any other bushings you put on there.


Bones mediums should be fairly easy right from go, but just in case they do feel too stiff, do the same thing and wear them in a bit right there standing on the board, or you can run them for a bit without the stock washers just to soften them up and wear them in, then as they compress a bit more, add in washers as needed.


Looking back over the search pics, I had seen a few people post pics of Bones bushings that sit above the kingpin with a caption of them asking why they don't fit, so just in case that happens, even just the bushings and a nut on top first, then once they wear in and compress down, which they will do, you can add washers afterwards.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cthunderw on February 26, 2022, 12:38:18 AM
These Indy Tom Knox got me thinking I’m gonna buy trucks for their fuckin colour.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Damoforce on February 28, 2022, 01:06:23 PM
Hey hey, maybe long shot or an odd one haha

Just wondering, what truck set up are people running on Quasi set up?

I don't know if it's me, but the tail seems short for a 14.25 WB

I've started on Indys forged hollows and will take it from there
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on February 28, 2022, 02:40:28 PM
Quote from: Damoforce on February 28, 2022, 01:06:23 PM
Hey hey, maybe long shot or an odd one haha

Just wondering, what truck set up are people running on Quasi set up?

I don't know if it's me, but the tail seems short for a 14.25 WB

I've started on Indys forged hollows and will take it from there

I’ve got some quasi boards and yeah…similar issue with the short tail. I thought I liked short tails. Maybe not. This one board I’ve cycled thru some different trucks (8.125 shape), can’t get a decent ollie. Meh
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: notinternetfamous on February 28, 2022, 03:40:45 PM
Quote from: Damoforce on February 28, 2022, 01:06:23 PM
Hey hey, maybe long shot or an odd one haha

Just wondering, what truck set up are people running on Quasi set up?

I don't know if it's me, but the tail seems short for a 14.25 WB

I've started on Indys forged hollows and will take it from there

I skated this Quasi back in 2019 https://www.paradeworld.com/products/quasi-wilson-fight-skateboard-deck-825-1-4312498765911/
I tried it with Venture 5.8 Highs Cast and Ace 44 Classics. It felt best on Aces for me since the WB was 14.375" and it also had a short tail. I think you should be fine with Indy's though. I've skated multiple of the Baker 8.0 shape which has a short tail always paired with Ventures and it was fine
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 28, 2022, 03:56:24 PM
Quote from: Damoforce on February 28, 2022, 01:06:23 PM
Hey hey, maybe long shot or an odd one haha

Just wondering, what truck set up are people running on Quasi set up?

I don't know if it's me, but the tail seems short for a 14.25 WB

I've started on Indys forged hollows and will take it from there

Justin Henry, Dick Russo, Wilson, and Tyler Bledsoe ride Indys, Gilbert rides Ventures, Bobby and Dane ride Thunders so honestly there isn’t a team rider consensus.

I’ve had the short tail Quasi on juuuust about every truck. The tail never bothers me. I most recently had the Henry debut model on Ventures and it was fine and the Dane Barker BBS pressed deck on Indy’s and it was fine but I never got used to the nose really.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 28, 2022, 04:05:25 PM
The correct answer would be thunders no?  Not worth getting new trucks though….
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: notinternetfamous on February 28, 2022, 04:17:55 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on February 28, 2022, 04:05:25 PM
The correct answer would be thunders no?  Not worth getting new trucks though….
Tbh there is truly no correct answer for board/truck pairing. People will recommend things based off experience and although there are people who preach certain board/truck specifications which sound good on paper, it isn't necessarily always the case.
You go with what works for you. There's several accounts of people who love skating Ventures with 14.5"+ WB's and those who skate Aces with 14" WB. I fully support experimentation though especially for those who are interested/curious about trying different truck brands.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on February 28, 2022, 05:55:35 PM
I am one of those that liked ace classics on 14” wb. May have helped that I was running 56 conical fulls (for me a big wheel). I got great pop out of that setup. Shit, maybe I should go back to that.

Unrelated, I haven’t found a way to get along with the af1 44s. My whole shit feels heavy, dead, not popping. Turn is cool, pop is uncool.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 28, 2022, 10:19:26 PM
I was just thinking a Thunder despite lengthening the wheelbase would lighten things up…..

Low light trucks might help compensate a short tail and overall heft of the board…

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on March 01, 2022, 07:16:46 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on February 28, 2022, 10:19:26 PM
I was just thinking a Thunder despite lengthening the wheelbase would lighten things up…..

Low light trucks might help compensate a short tail and overall heft of the board…

Low, light, shorten wheelbase = Mini Logo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: intendedreceivers on March 01, 2022, 07:59:48 AM
Quote from: Damoforce on February 28, 2022, 01:06:23 PM
Hey hey, maybe long shot or an odd one haha

Just wondering, what truck set up are people running on Quasi set up?

I don't know if it's me, but the tail seems short for a 14.25 WB

I've started on Indys forged hollows and will take it from there

I put a set of Venture 5.6 Hi on mine thinking I wouldn’t like it, but I actually reach for it all the time. It feels great. It’s got 54mm radial slims and some bouncier bushings (I think they’re Indys).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on March 01, 2022, 09:46:02 AM
Quote from: intendedreceivers on March 01, 2022, 07:59:48 AM
Quote from: Damoforce on February 28, 2022, 01:06:23 PM
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Hey hey, maybe long shot or an odd one haha

Just wondering, what truck set up are people running on Quasi set up?

I don't know if it's me, but the tail seems short for a 14.25 WB

I've started on Indys forged hollows and will take it from there
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I put a set of Venture 5.6 Hi on mine thinking I wouldn’t like it, but I actually reach for it all the time. It feels great. It’s got 54mm radial slims and some bouncier bushings (I think they’re Indys).
I've tried Indy and venture with quasi and they both feel good but I prefer ventures. I have an 8.25 quasie that I'm setting up next with venture HI standards.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on March 02, 2022, 07:56:55 AM
Quote from: HumBoogie on March 01, 2022, 09:46:02 AM
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Hey hey, maybe long shot or an odd one haha

Just wondering, what truck set up are people running on Quasi set up?

I don't know if it's me, but the tail seems short for a 14.25 WB

I've started on Indys forged hollows and will take it from there
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I put a set of Venture 5.6 Hi on mine thinking I wouldn’t like it, but I actually reach for it all the time. It feels great. It’s got 54mm radial slims and some bouncier bushings (I think they’re Indys).
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I've tried Indy and venture with quasi and they both feel good but I prefer ventures. I have an 8.25 quasie that I'm setting up next with venture HI standards.
I bounce back between indys n ventures but have mainly just stuck with Ventures for the past couple years straight, with the occasional switch back to my indys here n there if the board I’m ridings wheelbase and tail length and shape calls for it, which isn’t too often.

Ventures seem to be the only truck I’ve ever skated that haven’t given me any crazy issues. I skated Indy for more than a decade straight and on the multiple sets I’ve had there have always been some sort of issue (axle slip, kingpin loosening up and getting all jiggly, pivot cup slip issues, bushing issues, trucks loosening up on their own after just a couple sessions, etc. and that’s just to name a slight handful of the issues), legit EVERY single set always had at least one thing going on with it but I always just stuck it out because Indy had the best feeling turn and grind. These ventures I’ve had for the past two years though have been going strong and being abused with no issues at all. Only thing I could complain about is a slightly bent axle on my front truck but it’s so slight that it doesn’t effect the way they skate at all. I’ll still put on indys here n there because I still think they are great turning and great feeling trucks but I really don’t miss how there was something always wrong with them.
Reading the Ace thread and Lurpiv thread and this thread makes me glad I found a truck that gives me no issues at all, because dealing with truck issues is honestly enough to make you want to just chuck your board into a lake.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 02, 2022, 09:29:36 AM
Quote from: notinternetfamous on February 28, 2022, 04:17:55 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on February 28, 2022, 04:05:25 PM
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The correct answer would be thunders no?  Not worth getting new trucks though….
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Tbh there is truly no correct answer for board/truck pairing. People will recommend things based off experience and although there are people who preach certain board/truck specifications which sound good on paper, it isn't necessarily always the case.
You go with what works for you. There's several accounts of people who love skating Ventures with 14.5"+ WB's and those who skate Aces with 14" WB. I fully support experimentation though especially for those who are interested/curious about trying different truck brands.

Put thunder 149s, cast, on my 8.125 quasi. For today, rn, it’s working really good.
Probably hate it tomorrow.
I forget why I always ditch thunders…in this moment my kickflips and ollies are working. Rare.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 02, 2022, 12:27:25 PM
Oddly my China Indys that I have now are the set that has had zero issues. I had some USA Forged Hollow 149s that blew the pivot cups and top bushings twice during their life (weird) and had an axle thread strip.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on March 02, 2022, 01:23:50 PM
Quote from: Noble Experiment on March 02, 2022, 07:56:55 AM
Quote from: HumBoogie on March 01, 2022, 09:46:02 AM
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Hey hey, maybe long shot or an odd one haha

Just wondering, what truck set up are people running on Quasi set up?

I don't know if it's me, but the tail seems short for a 14.25 WB

I've started on Indys forged hollows and will take it from there
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I put a set of Venture 5.6 Hi on mine thinking I wouldn’t like it, but I actually reach for it all the time. It feels great. It’s got 54mm radial slims and some bouncier bushings (I think they’re Indys).
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I've tried Indy and venture with quasi and they both feel good but I prefer ventures. I have an 8.25 quasie that I'm setting up next with venture HI standards.
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I bounce back between indys n ventures but have mainly just stuck with Ventures for the past couple years straight, with the occasional switch back to my indys here n there if the board I’m ridings wheelbase and tail length and shape calls for it, which isn’t too often.

Ventures seem to be the only truck I’ve ever skated that haven’t given me any crazy issues. I skated Indy for more than a decade straight and on the multiple sets I’ve had there have always been some sort of issue (axle slip, kingpin loosening up and getting all jiggly, pivot cup slip issues, bushing issues, trucks loosening up on their own after just a couple sessions, etc. and that’s just to name a slight handful of the issues), legit EVERY single set always had at least one thing going on with it but I always just stuck it out because Indy had the best feeling turn and grind. These ventures I’ve had for the past two years though have been going strong and being abused with no issues at all. Only thing I could complain about is a slightly bent axle on my front truck but it’s so slight that it doesn’t effect the way they skate at all. I’ll still put on indys here n there because I still think they are great turning and great feeling trucks but I really don’t miss how there was something always wrong with them.
Reading the Ace thread and Lurpiv thread and this thread makes me glad I found a truck that gives me no issues at all, because dealing with truck issues is honestly enough to make you want to just chuck your board into a lake.
Hell yeah man same thing here. The Indys I'm on right now the front truck keeps coming loose on me. Nothing crazy but it is annoying. I've never had any issues with venture yet thankfully. It does feel good to have a truck setup that you can rely on lol.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solex on March 02, 2022, 02:34:57 PM
Hi.

I'm about to build a new set-up and consider to invert the axle nuts in order to have the nylock rings of the nuts on the threads while the nuts would be flush with the axle tip. I plan to put some speed rings between the hanger and the wheel, nothing between the wheel and the nut.

Any thoughts about that?

What are the pros and cons with inverted axle nuts?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 03, 2022, 05:16:24 AM
Quote from: Solex on March 02, 2022, 02:34:57 PM
Hi.

I'm about to build a new set-up and consider to invert the axle nuts in order to have the nylock rings of the nuts on the threads while the nuts would be flush with the axle tip. I plan to put some speed rings between the hanger and the wheel, nothing between the wheel and the nut.

Any thoughts about that?

What are the pros and cons with inverted axle nuts?


I guess my only question is "Why?" *


Axle nuts are designed to sit on the end of the axle anyway, the nyloc holds the nut on firmly or if they don't hold any more, it is time to get new nuts.  The back of the axle nut pretty much has a built in washer, so will fit snugly on the bearing without rubbing on the shield and the rounded front protects the end of the axle (and your shins) anyway when used correctly with axle washers and not done up too tightly.

My own boards usually have two and often three washers on the inside of each wheel against the truck hanger and just the nut on the outside, so the wheel sits as wide as possible with a little play and the nut firmly on the end of the axle, however I know a lot of people who have one washer on either side and quite a few who don't use washers at all, which I am not a fan of.


I think the only time I have ever had to flip over the axle nuts and put them on nyloc first was when the axle was so badly damaged or so worn down that they just would not fit on the normal way.  That was usually a good sign that it was about time for new trucks, or at least in these cases, it was about just getting a little more life out of the truck before getting new ones.

People who use normal skateboard wheels on some brands of roller skates with shorter axles also have to do that as they really only lock on to about a third of the axle nut, but I don't think I have met any person in 20+ years of skate shop work who voluntarily puts nuts on backwards.


There is a first time for everything.  :)

 
Edit:

* Not trying to be a dick, just curious why and if you have a reason.


These are close ups of my setups and I never have issues with nuts coming off or getting axle damage.


(https://i.ibb.co/TcTBLyj/Axle-nut-position1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wyLNstG)

(https://i.ibb.co/H4VDGxw/Axle-nut-position2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tK4MYxj)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solex on March 03, 2022, 06:42:55 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 03, 2022, 05:16:24 AM
Quote from: Solex on March 02, 2022, 02:34:57 PM
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Hi.

I'm about to build a new set-up and consider to invert the axle nuts in order to have the nylock rings of the nuts on the threads while the nuts would be flush with the axle tip. I plan to put some speed rings between the hanger and the wheel, nothing between the wheel and the nut.

Any thoughts about that?

What are the pros and cons with inverted axle nuts?
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I guess my only question is "Why?" *


Axle nuts are designed to sit on the end of the axle anyway, the nyloc holds the nut on firmly or if they don't hold any more, it is time to get new nuts.  The back of the axle nut pretty much has a built in washer, so will fit snugly on the bearing without rubbing on the shield and the rounded front protects the end of the axle (and your shins) anyway when used correctly with axle washers and not done up too tightly.

My own boards usually have two and often three washers on the inside of each wheel against the truck hanger and just the nut on the outside, so the wheel sits as wide as possible with a little play and the nut firmly on the end of the axle, however I know a lot of people who have one washer on either side and quite a few who don't use washers at all, which I am not a fan of.


I think the only time I have ever had to flip over the axle nuts and put them on nyloc first was when the axle was so badly damaged or so worn down that they just would not fit on the normal way.  That was usually a good sign that it was about time for new trucks, or at least in these cases, it was about just getting a little more life out of the truck before getting new ones.

People who use normal skateboard wheels on some brands of roller skates with shorter axles also have to do that as they really only lock on to about a third of the axle nut, but I don't think I have met any person in 20+ years of skate shop work who voluntarily puts nuts on backwards.


There is a first time for everything.  :)

 
Edit:

* Not trying to be a dick, just curious why and if you have a reason.
The purpose was to widden the trucks while avoiding the risks of nuts loosening because of the nylock rings barely sitting on the axle threads.

As you explained, it seems that there isn't any benefit, so I'll probably give up the idea.

Thanks for your thoughts, really appreciated it!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 03, 2022, 06:54:48 AM
Quote from: Solex on March 03, 2022, 06:42:55 AM

The purpose was to widden the trucks while avoiding the risks of nuts loosening because of the nylock rings barely sitting on the axle threads.

As you explained, it seems that there isn't any benefit, so I'll probably give up the idea.

Thanks for your thoughts, really appreciated it!

If you had another two or more washers on the insides as well as what was already there and big (I mean super big) wide wheels that would cover washers and wheel nuts, then it would work well, as per a few cruiser type setups I have had to try to build from old almost broken parts, the most recent was turning some narrow Ventures into wider trucks by doing just that.

I have actually had to do that sort of thing for a mix of helping with roller skates and putting washers on to get the wheels to sit wider and not rub on their really stubby axles too, so in theory it does work, but I would be putting wheels of about 38+ mm in width on to cover the nuts well.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solex on March 03, 2022, 07:05:28 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 03, 2022, 06:54:48 AM
Quote from: Solex on March 03, 2022, 06:42:55 AM
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The purpose was to widden the trucks while avoiding the risks of nuts loosening because of the nylock rings barely sitting on the axle threads.

As you explained, it seems that there isn't any benefit, so I'll probably give up the idea.

Thanks for your thoughts, really appreciated it!
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If you had another two or more washers on the insides as well as what was already there and big (I mean super big) wide wheels that would cover washers and wheel nuts, then it would work well, as per a few cruiser type setups I have had to try to build from old almost broken parts, the most recent was turning some narrow Ventures into wider trucks by doing just that.

I have actually had to do that sort of thing for a mix of helping with roller skates and putting washers on to get the wheels to sit wider and not rub on their really stubby axles too, so in theory it does work, but I would be putting wheels of about 38+ mm in width on to cover the nuts well.
These trucks will rock a standard set of F4 Classics Full 54mm, so nothing Monster Truck'ish!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 03, 2022, 07:14:35 AM
Quote from: Solex on March 03, 2022, 07:05:28 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 03, 2022, 06:54:48 AM
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Quote from: Solex on March 03, 2022, 06:42:55 AM
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The purpose was to widden the trucks while avoiding the risks of nuts loosening because of the nylock rings barely sitting on the axle threads.

As you explained, it seems that there isn't any benefit, so I'll probably give up the idea.

Thanks for your thoughts, really appreciated it!
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If you had another two or more washers on the insides as well as what was already there and big (I mean super big) wide wheels that would cover washers and wheel nuts, then it would work well, as per a few cruiser type setups I have had to try to build from old almost broken parts, the most recent was turning some narrow Ventures into wider trucks by doing just that.

I have actually had to do that sort of thing for a mix of helping with roller skates and putting washers on to get the wheels to sit wider and not rub on their really stubby axles too, so in theory it does work, but I would be putting wheels of about 38+ mm in width on to cover the nuts well.
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These trucks will rock a standard set of F4 Classics Full 54mm, so nothing Monster Truck'ish!

My first pic on the green board has Classic Full 54mm wheels, three washers on the inside and none on the outside, which all sits well.

I wouldn't be adding much else to that though, but the wheels almost sit to the end of the axles when set up like that, so unless you had the equivalent of small 129s on a much bigger 8+ deck, I think it would still work well enough.


I usually have Indy 149s on 8.38 or 8.5 boards nowdays, but before that I had Indy 139s on 8.12 and 8.18 size decks, which worked well.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solex on March 03, 2022, 07:39:51 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 03, 2022, 07:14:35 AM
Quote from: Solex on March 03, 2022, 07:05:28 AM
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Quote from: Solex on March 03, 2022, 06:42:55 AM
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The purpose was to widden the trucks while avoiding the risks of nuts loosening because of the nylock rings barely sitting on the axle threads.

As you explained, it seems that there isn't any benefit, so I'll probably give up the idea.

Thanks for your thoughts, really appreciated it!
[close]

If you had another two or more washers on the insides as well as what was already there and big (I mean super big) wide wheels that would cover washers and wheel nuts, then it would work well, as per a few cruiser type setups I have had to try to build from old almost broken parts, the most recent was turning some narrow Ventures into wider trucks by doing just that.

I have actually had to do that sort of thing for a mix of helping with roller skates and putting washers on to get the wheels to sit wider and not rub on their really stubby axles too, so in theory it does work, but I would be putting wheels of about 38+ mm in width on to cover the nuts well.
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These trucks will rock a standard set of F4 Classics Full 54mm, so nothing Monster Truck'ish!
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My first pic on the green board has Classic Full 54mm wheels, three washers on the inside and none on the outside, which all sits well.

I wouldn't be adding much else to that though, but the wheels almost sit to the end of the axles when set up like that, so unless you had the equivalent of small 129s on a much bigger 8+ deck, I think it would still work well enough.


I usually have Indy 149s on 8.38 or 8.5 boards nowdays, but before that I had Indy 139s on 8.12 and 8.18 size decks, which worked well.
My set-up is basically a set of 8" Film trucks on an 8.25" popsicle with 54mm F4, so a pretty standard one. 3 or 4 washers ich side of the hanger and the nuts put on the normal way will probably do the trick.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 03, 2022, 07:46:00 AM
Quote from: Solex on March 03, 2022, 07:39:51 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 03, 2022, 07:14:35 AM
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Quote from: Solex on March 03, 2022, 07:05:28 AM
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Quote from: Solex on March 03, 2022, 06:42:55 AM
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The purpose was to widden the trucks while avoiding the risks of nuts loosening because of the nylock rings barely sitting on the axle threads.

As you explained, it seems that there isn't any benefit, so I'll probably give up the idea.

Thanks for your thoughts, really appreciated it!
[close]

If you had another two or more washers on the insides as well as what was already there and big (I mean super big) wide wheels that would cover washers and wheel nuts, then it would work well, as per a few cruiser type setups I have had to try to build from old almost broken parts, the most recent was turning some narrow Ventures into wider trucks by doing just that.

I have actually had to do that sort of thing for a mix of helping with roller skates and putting washers on to get the wheels to sit wider and not rub on their really stubby axles too, so in theory it does work, but I would be putting wheels of about 38+ mm in width on to cover the nuts well.
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These trucks will rock a standard set of F4 Classics Full 54mm, so nothing Monster Truck'ish!
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My first pic on the green board has Classic Full 54mm wheels, three washers on the inside and none on the outside, which all sits well.

I wouldn't be adding much else to that though, but the wheels almost sit to the end of the axles when set up like that, so unless you had the equivalent of small 129s on a much bigger 8+ deck, I think it would still work well enough.


I usually have Indy 149s on 8.38 or 8.5 boards nowdays, but before that I had Indy 139s on 8.12 and 8.18 size decks, which worked well.
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My set-up is basically a set of 8" Film trucks on an 8.25" popsicle with 54mm F4, so a pretty standard one. 3 or 4 washers ich side of the hanger and the nuts put on the normal way will probably do the trick.

Thanks.

An old poster would do the flipped axle nuts. Diclotean (that was the poster, but this is spelled very incorrectly. Autocorrect and smart devices have me less smart). I’ve definitely crammed more washers in, to spread the wheels out. Works. Can cause some axles to bend, maybe. Might give less lock in on grinds.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on March 03, 2022, 08:14:45 AM
Back in the days, I used to skate Grind King, and now I skate Thunders (standard, raws) 148.
I've never really skated indy's before, but eager to try something else then Thunders for fun.
Suggestions? Just go indy's, or try ace? Dont like the look of Venture's...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 03, 2022, 08:18:58 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on March 03, 2022, 08:14:45 AM
Back in the days, I used to skate Grind King, and now I skate Thunders (standard, raws) 148.
I've never really skated indy's before, but eager to try something else then Thunders for fun.
Suggestions? Just go indy's, or try ace? Dont like the look of Venture's...

More info: what are you hoping for?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: notinternetfamous on March 03, 2022, 08:30:37 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on March 03, 2022, 08:14:45 AM
Back in the days, I used to skate Grind King, and now I skate Thunders (standard, raws) 148.
I've never really skated indy's before, but eager to try something else then Thunders for fun.
Suggestions? Just go indy's, or try ace? Dont like the look of Venture's...

Ace will be a fun truck for you and the height is similar to Thunder 148s (52 mm)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on March 03, 2022, 08:47:48 AM
Quote from: Ok on March 03, 2022, 08:18:58 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on March 03, 2022, 08:14:45 AM
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Back in the days, I used to skate Grind King, and now I skate Thunders (standard, raws) 148.
I've never really skated indy's before, but eager to try something else then Thunders for fun.
Suggestions? Just go indy's, or try ace? Dont like the look of Venture's...
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More info: what are you hoping for?

Well... I'd like to have more mellow pop, more relaxed balance point and ideally more kingpin clearance. Tho I know the mids dont actually are that beneficial vs grinding down a regular kingpin & nut.

I mostly ride DLX 8.25/8.28
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 03, 2022, 09:14:13 AM
Mellow pop? Like easier?
Someone will have the recipe. That someone isn’t me.
The ace recommendation above would give you the most different feel imo: lots of deep turn, lighter pop. Wouldn’t call ace as having a relaxed balancing point.

The closest to what you want, of the brands you’ve mentioned, might be indy. Indy and cast thunder have some similarities (this might be controversial, thunders have a quicker pop, and my consistency goes way up with them, indy has a deeper turn, less wheelbite, can run bigger wheels).
Blah blah.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on March 03, 2022, 09:48:09 AM
Yeah. Easier pop. Thunder = wider wheelbase = steeper angle of pop = more effort to pop.
Also, the tipping point becomes "heavier", duo to wider wheelbase (think gravity). So even tho the "margin of error" is larger duo to more angle, its also heavier to hold. Versus a more mellow setup.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 03, 2022, 09:51:32 AM
But when you get a good pop on a Thunder it's real good. More effort but more reward?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on March 03, 2022, 10:05:54 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on March 03, 2022, 08:47:48 AM
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Back in the days, I used to skate Grind King, and now I skate Thunders (standard, raws) 148.
I've never really skated indy's before, but eager to try something else then Thunders for fun.
Suggestions? Just go indy's, or try ace? Dont like the look of Venture's...
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More info: what are you hoping for?
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Well... I'd like to have more mellow pop, more relaxed balance point and ideally more kingpin clearance. Tho I know the mids dont actually are that beneficial vs grinding down a regular kingpin & nut.

I mostly ride DLX 8.25/8.28

What you're looking for are the new royals. I recently made the switch from thunder to royal
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 03, 2022, 10:52:44 AM
I like Indy Forged Hollows on those same decks, but honestly I would start with Indy or Thunder because they tend to be more unique and polarizing and see how you get on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on March 03, 2022, 11:03:48 AM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on March 03, 2022, 09:51:32 AM
But when you get a good pop on a Thunder it's real good. More effort but more reward?

I'm known as the guy who pops all their tricks super high. Id like more finesse, instead of all out power house
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on March 03, 2022, 11:20:44 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on March 03, 2022, 11:03:48 AM
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But when you get a good pop on a Thunder it's real good. More effort but more reward?
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I'm known as the guy who pops all their tricks super high. Id like more finesse, instead of all out power house

Teach me your ways
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on March 03, 2022, 11:32:49 AM
You just gotta jump, dude.
I guess its genetics. Always been a good jumper
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 03, 2022, 12:36:53 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on March 03, 2022, 11:03:48 AM
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But when you get a good pop on a Thunder it's real good. More effort but more reward?
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I'm known as the guy who pops all their tricks super high. Id like more finesse, instead of all out power house

Why you trying to change if you pop all your shit super high!?
I’m out here buying all types of shit because I can’t pop. Goddamn it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on March 03, 2022, 12:55:01 PM
Bcuz its annoying when trying to be tech with manuals. And learning shit switch.
And I can pop high with anything. 6'4, can dunk. Genetics dude. When people ask how I pop so high, I tell them to jump.
You gotta jump with the board, rather then lifting your knee's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solex on March 03, 2022, 01:06:15 PM
Quote from: Solex on March 03, 2022, 07:39:51 AM
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The purpose was to widden the trucks while avoiding the risks of nuts loosening because of the nylock rings barely sitting on the axle threads.

As you explained, it seems that there isn't any benefit, so I'll probably give up the idea.

Thanks for your thoughts, really appreciated it!
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If you had another two or more washers on the insides as well as what was already there and big (I mean super big) wide wheels that would cover washers and wheel nuts, then it would work well, as per a few cruiser type setups I have had to try to build from old almost broken parts, the most recent was turning some narrow Ventures into wider trucks by doing just that.

I have actually had to do that sort of thing for a mix of helping with roller skates and putting washers on to get the wheels to sit wider and not rub on their really stubby axles too, so in theory it does work, but I would be putting wheels of about 38+ mm in width on to cover the nuts well.
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These trucks will rock a standard set of F4 Classics Full 54mm, so nothing Monster Truck'ish!
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My first pic on the green board has Classic Full 54mm wheels, three washers on the inside and none on the outside, which all sits well.

I wouldn't be adding much else to that though, but the wheels almost sit to the end of the axles when set up like that, so unless you had the equivalent of small 129s on a much bigger 8+ deck, I think it would still work well enough.


I usually have Indy 149s on 8.38 or 8.5 boards nowdays, but before that I had Indy 139s on 8.12 and 8.18 size decks, which worked well.
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My set-up is basically a set of 8" Film trucks on an 8.25" popsicle with 54mm F4, so a pretty standard one. 3 or 4 washers ich side of the hanger and the nuts put on the normal way will probably do the trick.

Thanks.
I just made a try : 3 speed rings inside / wheel / nut in the normal way flush with the axle that feels enough secured leaving about 1mm of lateral movement for the wheel.

It seems perfect. No need for nut shenanigan.

EDIT : Oops, quoting error...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 03, 2022, 05:23:00 PM
Quote from: goodatmeth on March 03, 2022, 10:05:54 AM
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Back in the days, I used to skate Grind King, and now I skate Thunders (standard, raws) 148.
I've never really skated indy's before, but eager to try something else then Thunders for fun.
Suggestions? Just go indy's, or try ace? Dont like the look of Venture's...
[close]

More info: what are you hoping for?
[close]

Well... I'd like to have more mellow pop, more relaxed balance point and ideally more kingpin clearance. Tho I know the mids dont actually are that beneficial vs grinding down a regular kingpin & nut.

I mostly ride DLX 8.25/8.28
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What you're looking for are the new royals. I recently made the switch from thunder to royal

This is the way - if you want nimbleness of a Thunder Std, above average pinch and surfy turn. Go IKP for more kingpin clearance.

The standards are great and maybe better for a power skater like yourself with the added heft. Or wait a couple of weeks for the Ultralight (hollow kingpin + axle) if you're a sucker like me. My 144 IPK are are 354g, the 144 Ultralights on Royal Japan are 322g, so in the region of a Thunder Light or Venture V-Hollow.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 03, 2022, 06:45:15 PM
Quote from: Solex on March 03, 2022, 01:06:15 PM

I just made a try : 3 speed rings inside / wheel / nut in the normal way flush with the axle that feels enough secured leaving about 1mm of lateral movement for the wheel.

It seems perfect. No need for nut shenanigan.

EDIT : Oops, quoting error...


Yeah that should work nicely.  :)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FakieDisaster on March 03, 2022, 07:22:42 PM
Quote from: FatGuy92 on August 20, 2021, 01:38:18 PM
Quote from: LewFarrell on August 20, 2021, 09:00:01 AM
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Following up on the Tensor MagLight baseplate discrepancies - Never got a reply back on IG so I decided to email them. Below is the email thread. Not entirely sure what to make of it, I guess they are putting the wrong baseplate on at the factory regularly? It can't be a mixup at the skateshop.

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LewFarrell <[email protected]>
Aug 12, 2021, 10:07 PM (8 days ago)
to Highline Distribution (Support)

Hey Tensor fam, I have a question about the MagLight trucks and hoping you can clarify.

Some of the baseplates say Magnesium on the bottom and are lighter (weigh around 75g with kingpin) and some don't say Magnesium and weigh around 100g with the kingpin. Both are MagLight trucks.

Are these new vs old models or concurrent different models?

I tried reaching out on Instagram a few times but had no luck in getting a response. Would appreciate your help.

Thank you so much.

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Highline Distribution (Support) <[email protected]>
Aug 13, 2021, 8:16 MST
to Lew

Hi,

If they do not say Mag or Magnesium on them, then they are not mag lights trucks. They are the aluminum alloy trucks.

Let us know if you have any other questions.
Highline Distribution

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LewFarrell <[email protected]>
Fri, Aug 13, 9:01 PM (7 days ago)
to Highline Distribution (Support)

Hi - I think I can clarify further.

As I mentioned in my original email both sets of trucks are indeed labeled MagLight. They are certainly not aluminum alloy trucks.

I'm asking specifically about the "Magnesium" labeling on the bottom of the baseplate. One set of MagLights has this labeling on the baseplate and is about 1/4 (25g) lighter than the baseplate from other set of trucks also labeled MagLight.

I have uploaded pictures of both sets of MagLights to imgur to better illustrate my question.
Baseplate 1: https://imgur.com/gallery/pbUzrMf (https://imgur.com/gallery/pbUzrMf)
Baseplate 2: https://imgur.com/gallery/G9Bll7s (https://imgur.com/gallery/G9Bll7s)

Again my question is - Are these new vs old models or concurrent different models? If old/new, which ones are the current model you are selling?

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LewFarrell <[email protected]>
10:29 AM (1 hour ago)
to Highline Distribution (Support)

Hi - just wanted to follow up on this question.
Thanks for your time

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Highline Distribution (Support) <[email protected]>
Aug 20, 2021, 8:14 MST
to Lew

Hi Lew,

All of our mag light's will have the magnesium stamp on them. From the photo and the weight descriptions, it sounds like it might have been a simple mix up either at the factory or at a skate shop.

We hope that answers your question!

Have a great day!
Highline Distribution
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I emailed thankyousupply and never got a response. If it’s a factory mistake, they must have fucked up on an entire run of these


okay just read this since recently i just bought myself tensor mag lights as well (end of Feb 2022, quite possibly 2020/2021 stock). i guess most of the mag lights trucks now runs with alum baseplates instead of fully magnesium ones.


(https://i.ibb.co/k0LSrMg/1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ctWrpxc)
(https://i.ibb.co/mJ5C9hk/2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6Y0RHDz)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 03, 2022, 07:36:41 PM
Quote from: notinternetfamous on February 28, 2022, 04:17:55 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on February 28, 2022, 04:05:25 PM
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The correct answer would be thunders no?  Not worth getting new trucks though….
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Tbh there is truly no correct answer for board/truck pairing. People will recommend things based off experience and although there are people who preach certain board/truck specifications which sound good on paper, it isn't necessarily always the case.
You go with what works for you. There's several accounts of people who love skating Ventures with 14.5"+ WB's and those who skate Aces with 14" WB. I fully support experimentation though especially for those who are interested/curious about trying different truck brands.

Almost 400 pages on this thread and you’re telling me it’s all just….opinions? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on March 03, 2022, 07:49:18 PM
Quote from: FakieDisaster on March 03, 2022, 07:22:42 PM
Quote from: FatGuy92 on August 20, 2021, 01:38:18 PM
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Quote from: LewFarrell on August 20, 2021, 09:00:01 AM
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Following up on the Tensor MagLight baseplate discrepancies - Never got a reply back on IG so I decided to email them. Below is the email thread. Not entirely sure what to make of it, I guess they are putting the wrong baseplate on at the factory regularly? It can't be a mixup at the skateshop.

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LewFarrell <lew@lew.com>
Aug 12, 2021, 10:07 PM (8 days ago)
to Highline Distribution (Support)

Hey Tensor fam, I have a question about the MagLight trucks and hoping you can clarify.

Some of the baseplates say Magnesium on the bottom and are lighter (weigh around 75g with kingpin) and some don't say Magnesium and weigh around 100g with the kingpin. Both are MagLight trucks.

Are these new vs old models or concurrent different models?

I tried reaching out on Instagram a few times but had no luck in getting a response. Would appreciate your help.

Thank you so much.

-------------------------------------------------

Highline Distribution (Support) <[email protected]>
Aug 13, 2021, 8:16 MST
to Lew

Hi,

If they do not say Mag or Magnesium on them, then they are not mag lights trucks. They are the aluminum alloy trucks.

Let us know if you have any other questions.
Highline Distribution

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LewFarrell <lew@lew.com>
Fri, Aug 13, 9:01 PM (7 days ago)
to Highline Distribution (Support)

Hi - I think I can clarify further.

As I mentioned in my original email both sets of trucks are indeed labeled MagLight. They are certainly not aluminum alloy trucks.

I'm asking specifically about the "Magnesium" labeling on the bottom of the baseplate. One set of MagLights has this labeling on the baseplate and is about 1/4 (25g) lighter than the baseplate from other set of trucks also labeled MagLight.

I have uploaded pictures of both sets of MagLights to imgur to better illustrate my question.
Baseplate 1: https://imgur.com/gallery/pbUzrMf (https://imgur.com/gallery/pbUzrMf)
Baseplate 2: https://imgur.com/gallery/G9Bll7s (https://imgur.com/gallery/G9Bll7s)

Again my question is - Are these new vs old models or concurrent different models? If old/new, which ones are the current model you are selling?

-------------------------------------------------

LewFarrell <lew@lew.com>
10:29 AM (1 hour ago)
to Highline Distribution (Support)

Hi - just wanted to follow up on this question.
Thanks for your time

-------------------------------------------------

Highline Distribution (Support) <[email protected]>
Aug 20, 2021, 8:14 MST
to Lew

Hi Lew,

All of our mag light's will have the magnesium stamp on them. From the photo and the weight descriptions, it sounds like it might have been a simple mix up either at the factory or at a skate shop.

We hope that answers your question!

Have a great day!
Highline Distribution
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I emailed thankyousupply and never got a response. If it’s a factory mistake, they must have fucked up on an entire run of these
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okay just read this since recently i just bought myself tensor mag lights as well (end of Feb 2022, quite possibly 2020/2021 stock). i guess most of the mag lights trucks now runs with alum baseplates instead of fully magnesium ones.


(https://i.ibb.co/k0LSrMg/1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ctWrpxc)
(https://i.ibb.co/mJ5C9hk/2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6Y0RHDz)

In a later email someone at Tensor said it's part of their "redesign". TwisT also reached out to them, and this was their response:

Quote from: TwisT on December 10, 2021, 06:45:29 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/HA1ZKFG.jpg)

Hopefully the new ones will have beefy axels.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rhetoric on March 03, 2022, 08:44:36 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 03, 2022, 07:36:41 PM
Quote from: notinternetfamous on February 28, 2022, 04:17:55 PM
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The correct answer would be thunders no?  Not worth getting new trucks though….
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Tbh there is truly no correct answer for board/truck pairing. People will recommend things based off experience and although there are people who preach certain board/truck specifications which sound good on paper, it isn't necessarily always the case.
You go with what works for you. There's several accounts of people who love skating Ventures with 14.5"+ WB's and those who skate Aces with 14" WB. I fully support experimentation though especially for those who are interested/curious about trying different truck brands.
[close]

Almost 400 pages on this thread and you’re telling me it’s all just….opinions?

well if you combine X-trucks with Y-durometer bushings, half a riser back truck, 1/4" front, 53mm F4s on a 8.38" Hockey you should have Z-amount of pop after the fulcrum hits the leverty-bevel and that quantifies the exact ratio of BMI-to-concave.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 03, 2022, 08:55:10 PM
Quote from: rhetoric on March 03, 2022, 08:44:36 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 03, 2022, 07:36:41 PM
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The correct answer would be thunders no?  Not worth getting new trucks though….
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Tbh there is truly no correct answer for board/truck pairing. People will recommend things based off experience and although there are people who preach certain board/truck specifications which sound good on paper, it isn't necessarily always the case.
You go with what works for you. There's several accounts of people who love skating Ventures with 14.5"+ WB's and those who skate Aces with 14" WB. I fully support experimentation though especially for those who are interested/curious about trying different truck brands.
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Almost 400 pages on this thread and you’re telling me it’s all just….opinions?
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well if you combine X-trucks with Y-durometer bushings, half a riser back truck, 1/4" front, 53mm F4s on a 8.38" Hockey you should have Z-amount of pop after the fulcrum hits the leverty-bevel and that quantifies the exact ratio of BMI-to-concave.

Yo…this shit is not a game.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rhetoric on March 03, 2022, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: Ok on March 03, 2022, 08:55:10 PM
Quote from: rhetoric on March 03, 2022, 08:44:36 PM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on March 03, 2022, 07:36:41 PM
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The correct answer would be thunders no?  Not worth getting new trucks though….
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Tbh there is truly no correct answer for board/truck pairing. People will recommend things based off experience and although there are people who preach certain board/truck specifications which sound good on paper, it isn't necessarily always the case.
You go with what works for you. There's several accounts of people who love skating Ventures with 14.5"+ WB's and those who skate Aces with 14" WB. I fully support experimentation though especially for those who are interested/curious about trying different truck brands.
[close]

Almost 400 pages on this thread and you’re telling me it’s all just….opinions?
[close]

well if you combine X-trucks with Y-durometer bushings, half a riser back truck, 1/4" front, 53mm F4s on a 8.38" Hockey you should have Z-amount of pop after the fulcrum hits the leverty-bevel and that quantifies the exact ratio of BMI-to-concave.
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Yo…this shit is not a game.

Seriously, shit's an Olympic sport!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: notinternetfamous on March 04, 2022, 07:53:13 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 03, 2022, 07:36:41 PM
Quote from: notinternetfamous on February 28, 2022, 04:17:55 PM
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The correct answer would be thunders no?  Not worth getting new trucks though….
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Tbh there is truly no correct answer for board/truck pairing. People will recommend things based off experience and although there are people who preach certain board/truck specifications which sound good on paper, it isn't necessarily always the case.
You go with what works for you. There's several accounts of people who love skating Ventures with 14.5"+ WB's and those who skate Aces with 14" WB. I fully support experimentation though especially for those who are interested/curious about trying different truck brands.
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Almost 400 pages on this thread and you’re telling me it’s all just….opinions?

lmaooo there are some very valid opinions of course! this thread can answer a lot of questions or send you down the rabbit hole known as madness. as much as I love nerding out on gear, I'm trying my best to stick with what works for me which are Ventures and Thunders (team deluxe <3). every once in a while, I do get tempted to ride Aces again or try Lurpivs to just switch my whole shit up lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Nth syd bear on March 04, 2022, 02:50:44 PM
Good work on the mag lite update, 

My new 149 ti with Ace low bushings.  Thx to this thread

(https://i.ibb.co/cQTZfBx/20220305-094104.jpg) (https://ibb.co/898fvCX)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on March 09, 2022, 08:09:55 AM
Went ahead and got Indy standard raws 144. Made my Real Mason 8.28 deck work alot better.
And dat buttery grind tho, and easier manuals. Guess I gotta buy some titaniums now
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 09, 2022, 08:32:34 AM
Don’t. Hear me out- stick with what’s working. Till they’re done.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on March 09, 2022, 09:05:50 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on March 09, 2022, 08:32:34 AM
Don’t. Hear me out- stick with what’s working. Till they’re done.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Justrollingthru on March 09, 2022, 03:09:00 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Jq6eKFu.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/v3NTKtd.jpeg

I'm messing with bushing setups and it's seems like these bones bushings changed the geometry a bit. Is that going to be an issue or is it fine?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: realbasedgod112 on March 09, 2022, 03:10:51 PM
Quote from: Justrollingthru on March 09, 2022, 03:09:00 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Jq6eKFu.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/v3NTKtd.jpeg

I'm messing with bushing setups and it's seems like these bones bushings changed the geometry a bit. Is that going to be an issue or is it fine?
only way to know is to try it out, the general consensus is that bones medium + no washers + ventures = best turning. so stick with it for a little.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on March 09, 2022, 03:18:03 PM
Quote from: Justrollingthru on March 09, 2022, 03:09:00 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Jq6eKFu.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/v3NTKtd.jpeg

I'm messing with bushing setups and it's seems like these bones bushings changed the geometry a bit. Is that going to be an issue or is it fine?

Bushing isn't making full contact with the baseplate, so it's going to be a bit wobbly. Some people like the wobble though. You'd need a taller bottom bushing or some washers until the bushing sits flush if you want a more stable truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Justrollingthru on March 09, 2022, 06:00:36 PM
https://i.imgur.com/naDY66G.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/nYLAOva.jpeg

Thanks for all the tips y'all.

I tried multiple different setups but I ended up back at the one that feels the best to me.

Out of all the set ups this setup turns insanely well, and quick. It feels very agile. I'm just hoping the venture bushing holds up for a while.

Venture v-light 5.6

Ace Af1 pivot cups

Independent 94a conical on feet side with washer

Venture stock street side with bones washer (anybody know the duro?)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: realbasedgod112 on March 09, 2022, 07:01:08 PM
Quote from: Justrollingthru on March 09, 2022, 06:00:36 PM

Thanks for all the tips y'all.

I tried multiple different setups but I ended up back at the one that feels the best to me.

Out of all the set ups this setup turns insanely well, and quick. It feels very agile. I'm just hoping the venture bushing holds up for a while.

Venture v-light 5.6

Ace Af1 pivot cups

Independent 94a conical on feet side with washer

Venture stock street side with bones washer (anybody know the duro?)
purple venture bushings are 98a, i'm not sure if all ventures have the same though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 09, 2022, 08:08:39 PM
All stock Venture bushings are 90A
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheLowerBack on March 09, 2022, 09:43:19 PM
Have any of y’all gear nerds ever frankentrucked an Ace plate and Thunder hanger?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on March 10, 2022, 02:27:22 PM
Quote from: TheLowerBack on March 09, 2022, 09:43:19 PM
Have any of y’all gear nerds ever frankentrucked an Ace plate and Thunder hanger?

Just tried. 161’s/55 classics. Short answer is it will bolt together with stock ace bushings, but I would expect pivot or pivot cup issues eventually. Ace pivot and cup are bigger, but a Thunder pivot will fit an Ace cup and Thunder cup will fit an Ace baseplate. An Ace pivot will not work in a Thunder cup. Clearance is meh. Pivot engagement is iffy. Essentially, you’d want only half of a bottom bushing for full pivot engagement with the kingpin centered in the yoke. Conversely, an Ace hanger on a Thunder base doesn’t work very well - would want about a 1” bottom bushing.

Note: I was able to force a Thunder pivot cup onto an Ace hangar, but only while not in a baseplate. Thunder cups are harder than Ace too, fwiw.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 11, 2022, 10:58:15 PM
https://youtu.be/NCMpY10dFk8
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cthunderw on March 11, 2022, 11:04:23 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 11, 2022, 10:58:15 PM
https://youtu.be/NCMpY10dFk8
I think SLAP is going to have a meltdown.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paul_Glider Skateboards on March 11, 2022, 11:59:24 PM
Quote from: Cthunderw on March 11, 2022, 11:04:23 PM
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I think SLAP is going to have a meltdown.

 I spent my Friday night listening to an hour+ of content on trucks, no way better to spend it

But no surprises here. Ben’s always been a indy guy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 12, 2022, 01:50:45 AM
Quote from: Cthunderw on March 11, 2022, 11:04:23 PM
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I think SLAP is going to have a meltdown. collective orgasm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spirit on March 12, 2022, 03:10:18 AM
Heya

I'm a big dude (6'3, 220-240lbs) and I now finally have some disposable income to buy proper trucks. Got the degree, found a decent job, all that fun stuff.
I never really had any specific requirements for trucks, mainly because I could only skate the cheapest garbage I could get my hands on like Silvers and Theeves. I currently have the basic Ace model, but I already had to change out the bushings twice, as I have it on the tightest to avoid wheel bites. I like the way they feel and I would like to keep something similar even though the good turning is a bit counter-intuitive in my case.
I mainly skate flat and am working on my ledge game.

I ride an 8.5 and just grab any wheels that I can get my hands on for cheap, currently some 55s I think.
Forgot to mention that I am based in EU (Czechia), so any US specific brands are a no-go
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on March 12, 2022, 03:20:50 AM
Quote from: Spirit on March 12, 2022, 03:10:18 AM
Heya

I'm a big dude (6'3, 220-240lbs) and I now finally have some disposable income to buy proper trucks. Got the degree, found a decent job, all that fun stuff.
I never really had any specific requirements for trucks, mainly because I could only skate the cheapest garbage I could get my hands on like Silvers and Theeves. I currently have the basic Ace model, but I already had to change out the bushings twice, as I have it on the tightest to avoid wheel bites. I like the way they feel and I would like to keep something similar even though the good turning is a bit counter-intuitive in my case.
I mainly skate flat and am working on my ledge game.

I ride an 8.5 and just grab any wheels that I can get my hands on for cheap, currently some 55s I think.
Forgot to mention that I am based in EU (Czechia), so any US specific brands are a no-go
Venture 5.8 highs if you like tighter trucks and skate ledge and flat ground.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solex on March 12, 2022, 04:24:37 AM
Quote from: Spirit on March 12, 2022, 03:10:18 AM
Heya

I'm a big dude (6'3, 220-240lbs) and I now finally have some disposable income to buy proper trucks. Got the degree, found a decent job, all that fun stuff.
I never really had any specific requirements for trucks, mainly because I could only skate the cheapest garbage I could get my hands on like Silvers and Theeves. I currently have the basic Ace model, but I already had to change out the bushings twice, as I have it on the tightest to avoid wheel bites. I like the way they feel and I would like to keep something similar even though the good turning is a bit counter-intuitive in my case.
I mainly skate flat and am working on my ledge game.

I ride an 8.5 and just grab any wheels that I can get my hands on for cheap, currently some 55s I think.
Forgot to mention that I am based in EU (Czechia), so any US specific brands are a no-go
Maybe Independent standards 144/149 or Film 5.5 (French brand so usually cheapest in EU). They are the highest trucks I know at 55mm, it should help you with wheelbites. You could also try some hard bushings, risers, or smaller wheels (50/52mm).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on March 12, 2022, 07:03:06 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 12, 2022, 01:50:45 AM
Quote from: Cthunderw on March 11, 2022, 11:04:23 PM
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I think SLAP is going to have a meltdown. collective orgasm
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I was so stoked I watched the whole thing in bed.  Gifted Hater was way too lenient on the Krux K4, probably because he hasn't ridden them. Oh man, they did Tensor ATGs dirty!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JugeL on March 12, 2022, 08:27:14 AM
I mean they are Tensors, what did you expect
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on March 12, 2022, 09:01:26 AM
Quote from: JugeL on March 12, 2022, 08:27:14 AM
I mean they are Tensors, what did you expect

They skate really well until the axles bend after a month.  :-\
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on March 12, 2022, 11:03:51 AM
I’ve got some Indy Forged Hollow 149s with a 1/8” riser on my cruiser/curb setup and they’ve got a couple months left, I’m deep into axle on the rear and just hitting on the front.

Thinking about moving over to Ace AF1s, and sizing up to 66s. Will I still need a riser with 58mm wheels? I know the aces are taller just not sure how much.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on March 12, 2022, 11:09:04 AM
Quote from: BartHarleyJarvis on March 12, 2022, 11:03:51 AM
I’ve got some Indy Forged Hollow 149s with a 1/8” riser on my cruiser/curb setup and they’ve got a couple months left, I’m deep into axle on the rear and just hitting on the front.

Thinking about moving over to Ace AF1s, and sizing up to 66s. Will I still need a riser with 58mm wheels? I know the aces are taller just not sure how much.

Ace AF1s are .5mm lower  (53mm) than Indy Forged (53.5mm).    I would still run a 1/8th on them to use 58s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on March 12, 2022, 11:19:00 AM
Quote from: backinaction on March 12, 2022, 11:09:04 AM
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I’ve got some Indy Forged Hollow 149s with a 1/8” riser on my cruiser/curb setup and they’ve got a couple months left, I’m deep into axle on the rear and just hitting on the front.

Thinking about moving over to Ace AF1s, and sizing up to 66s. Will I still need a riser with 58mm wheels? I know the aces are taller just not sure how much.
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Ace AF1s are .5mm lower  (53mm) than Indy Forged (53.5mm).    I would still run a 1/8th on them to use 58s.

Oh shit, thanks. I must be thinking of the classics?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JugeL on March 12, 2022, 11:25:35 AM
Quote from: BartHarleyJarvis on March 12, 2022, 11:19:00 AM
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I’ve got some Indy Forged Hollow 149s with a 1/8” riser on my cruiser/curb setup and they’ve got a couple months left, I’m deep into axle on the rear and just hitting on the front.

Thinking about moving over to Ace AF1s, and sizing up to 66s. Will I still need a riser with 58mm wheels? I know the aces are taller just not sure how much.
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Ace AF1s are .5mm lower  (53mm) than Indy Forged (53.5mm).    I would still run a 1/8th on them to use 58s.
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Oh shit, thanks. I must be thinking of the classics?
I run 56 with no problems so can't see 2mm being that much different
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: intendedreceivers on March 12, 2022, 02:26:52 PM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on March 12, 2022, 07:03:06 AM
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I was so stoked I watched the whole thing in bed.  Gifted Hater was way too lenient on the Krux K4, probably because he hasn't ridden them. Oh man, they did Tensor ATGs dirty!

They did Destructo real dirty, in my opinion. I think I know what Ben’s talking about with the stock bushings. The ones that came with mine are not the Destructo-branded ones they sell aftermarket, but they’re bouncy and I really like leaning hard into turns with a big, chunky wheel on them (currently have 56mm radial fulls and it’s a great combo). I used a low-profile nut to get them a little looser, but they have soft bushings available, and they even give you the choice of medium or soft when you order now. They could probably extend the kingpin a couple mm and solve it all since there’s so much clearance, but I think Destructo D1 mids are great trucks for the price.

I don’t share the same feeling about the extra tall Squadron model. The casting on the hanger was terrible. Had to file a bunch of metal off where the axle meets the hanger just to get some wheels all the way on, and even still, there’s a bunch of slop on the hanger ends that don’t allow the washers to sit straight. Ended up just getting some Indy 159 hollows and put the Squadrons straight in the donation box without even mounting them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 12, 2022, 07:00:34 PM
Oh…..the injustice of it all….

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on March 12, 2022, 07:17:38 PM
Yeah, D1 mids are really good, I rode one set of magplate and short hollow pin and one with just the hollow pin.
They all axle slipped though, but I had skated them for 9 months to a year or something, so it wasn't that bad.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lurkpiv on March 12, 2022, 07:48:35 PM
Can someone explain why it’s often recommended to remove the bottom bushing washer to improve turn?

Seems like it would change the geometry in the opposite direction for improved turn if you think about the angle to the pivot cup.

Is it just an easy way to get looser trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: intendedreceivers on March 13, 2022, 08:35:39 AM
Quote from: lurkpiv on March 12, 2022, 07:48:35 PM
Can someone explain why it’s often recommended to remove the bottom bushing washer to improve turn?

Seems like it would change the geometry in the opposite direction for improved turn if you think about the angle to the pivot cup.

Is it just an easy way to get looser trucks?

Mainly, yes. With no washer, there’s nothing really restricting the action of the bushing other than the little bit of baseplate sitting under it. It does change the geometry, but most of the turn action is on that deckside bushing, so the slight change to the pivot angle wouldn’t have any noticeable counter effect, in my opinion. You can try to find a taller bushing (like an Ace or longboard barrel) and shave 1-2 mm, but honestly, I would just switch to flat washers before I completely removed them. Similar effect (not nearly to the same degree) but doesn’t change the geo and will help the bushings last longer for sure.

I’m not a super loose trucks guy, though. I stay somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 13, 2022, 09:31:43 AM
I’m curious after watching part of that Gifted Hater truck video:

For trucks like Indy which have several height and weight options do people really notice that big of a difference? Hollows seem Barry lighter than standards but are in a different tier. And Ti aren’t different than forged hollow, but like 35g lighter a piece than standard hollows but same ranking? Then you have Thunders, which in Team versions weigh the same as Indy Forged Hollow and same WB but people say feel soooo much lighter.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on March 13, 2022, 09:32:42 AM
Lurkpiv...lol nice. No bottom washer on any truck feels like shit. There needs to something there for it to rebound back to center. Otherwise it makes the turn feel dead and floppy, does a disservice to Ace's for sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on March 13, 2022, 11:17:42 AM
Is it normal for indys to be rather unstable? Say you drop a steep bank, and in the transition from bank to flat, they get very squirly when they get alot of load under them. While with my Thunders, its no problem
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JugeL on March 13, 2022, 11:38:56 AM
They can be, but i think it's more about getting used to it. Had first session with Ace after skating Krux and at first it was so unstable but after couple hours i almost prefer that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: nekro on March 13, 2022, 12:10:56 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on March 13, 2022, 11:17:42 AM
Is it normal for indys to be rather unstable? Say you drop a steep bank, and in the transition from bank to flat, they get very squirly when they get alot of load under them. While with my Thunders, its no problem

I find exactly the same. I've got hard brushing in both my mind's and thunders but indys feel way more unstable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on March 13, 2022, 12:28:28 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on March 13, 2022, 11:17:42 AM
Is it normal for indys to be rather unstable? Say you drop a steep bank, and in the transition from bank to flat, they get very squirly when they get alot of load under them. While with my Thunders, its no problem

This is the exact reason why I dislike Indys, they feel steady on flat but that transition it almost feels like a quick speed wobble.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hobochimp on March 13, 2022, 03:27:04 PM
Quote from: Musicaldeath107 on March 13, 2022, 12:28:28 PM
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This is the exact reason why I dislike Indys, they feel steady on flat but that transition it almost feels like a quick speed wobble.

For me I’ve noticed I can’t really skate transition comfortably on any truck besides Indy. I kind of need that looseness/speed wobble
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 13, 2022, 03:32:35 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on March 13, 2022, 09:31:43 AM
I’m curious after watching part of that Gifted Hater truck video:

For trucks like Indy which have several height and weight options do people really notice that big of a difference? Hollows seem Barry lighter than standards but are in a different tier. And Ti aren’t different than forged hollow, but like 35g lighter a piece than standard hollows but same ranking? Then you have Thunders, which in Team versions weigh the same as Indy Forged Hollow and same WB but people say feel soooo much lighter.

The height is much more noticeable to me than the weight. I have titanium 159s and I use a riser pad so that they’re roughly the same height as Indy Standards.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lurkpiv on March 13, 2022, 05:52:41 PM
Quote from: logjammin on March 13, 2022, 09:32:42 AM
Lurkpiv...lol nice. No bottom washer on any truck feels like shit. There needs to something there for it to rebound back to center. Otherwise it makes the turn feel dead and floppy, does a disservice to Ace's for sure.

I tried it recently on some Indys and yeah, you nailed it. Felt dead and didn’t rebound well. Not responsive at all. I immediately threw the bottoms back on.

I’ve been running without top washers because the aftermarket indy bushings I got (mediums) felt more stiff than the dying stock ones I had, and I wasn’t able to run them loose enough with both washers on without having the nut halfway off.

Stock Indys are usually my happy place.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 13, 2022, 06:32:41 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on March 13, 2022, 09:31:43 AM
I’m curious after watching part of that Gifted Hater truck video:

For trucks like Indy which have several height and weight options do people really notice that big of a difference? Hollows seem Barry lighter than standards but are in a different tier. And Ti aren’t different than forged hollow, but like 35g lighter a piece than standard hollows but same ranking? Then you have Thunders, which in Team versions weigh the same as Indy Forged Hollow and same WB but people say feel soooo much lighter.

With Standard Indy <-> Ti you can tell the difference.

Standard Indy to Hollow, slight difference in hand but on board most would be hard pressed ot t
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I was so stoked I watched the whole thing in bed.  Gifted Hater was way too lenient on the Krux K4, probably because he hasn't ridden them. Oh man, they did Tensor ATGs dirty!

He's a dude that likes Krux marketing, he's giving them a break (same reason his Lurpiv review wasn't so harsh). While I appreciate what Krux do for communities, they're marketing isn't for me; which is fine, they've finally found their niche and are rolling with it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on March 13, 2022, 06:55:16 PM
I like thunders without the bottom washer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lurkpiv on March 13, 2022, 07:45:57 PM
Quote from: bbk on March 13, 2022, 06:55:16 PM
I like thunders without the bottom washer.

I’ve seen plenty of people who like running no bottom. I can only speak on my brief experience with it, but curious to hear what it feels like for other people and other setups, versus leaving it on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on March 14, 2022, 06:48:15 AM
I think a tapered boardside bushing is fine without a bottom washer because on most trucks the entirety of the contact surface is covered by the baseplate, the same as the washer would be, but I would never do it with a barrel bushing because it has no support.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bombsaway86 on March 14, 2022, 12:00:49 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on March 13, 2022, 11:17:42 AM
Is it normal for indys to be rather unstable? Say you drop a steep bank, and in the transition from bank to flat, they get very squirly when they get alot of load under them. While with my Thunders, its no problem

The stock bushings are definitely squirrely. I have to loosen them to the point where the nut is about to fall off to get the turn I want, but then they feel unstable on center. I put some Ace low bushings in mine and they feel a lot more stable. Still not turning like Ace, but good enough. I love Aces, but I switched back to Indy recently because they grind so much better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cthunderw on March 14, 2022, 12:31:16 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on March 13, 2022, 09:31:43 AM
I’m curious after watching part of that Gifted Hater truck video:

For trucks like Indy which have several height and weight options do people really notice that big of a difference? Hollows seem Barry lighter than standards but are in a different tier. And Ti aren’t different than forged hollow, but like 35g lighter a piece than standard hollows but same ranking? Then you have Thunders, which in Team versions weigh the same as Indy Forged Hollow and same WB but people say feel soooo much lighter.
My own opinion on this matter, and my takeaway from what they were saying in the video too, is that Indy Standards can be a little bit too heavy of a truck, so the Hollows are a great compromise between the weight of the Standards and the price of the Titaniums.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 14, 2022, 12:50:52 PM
Quote from: Cthunderw on March 14, 2022, 12:31:16 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on March 13, 2022, 09:31:43 AM
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I’m curious after watching part of that Gifted Hater truck video:

For trucks like Indy which have several height and weight options do people really notice that big of a difference? Hollows seem Barry lighter than standards but are in a different tier. And Ti aren’t different than forged hollow, but like 35g lighter a piece than standard hollows but same ranking? Then you have Thunders, which in Team versions weigh the same as Indy Forged Hollow and same WB but people say feel soooo much lighter.
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My own opinion on this matter, and my takeaway from what they were saying in the video too, is that Indy Standards can be a little bit too heavy of a truck, so the Hollows are a great compromise between the weight of the Standards and the price of the Titaniums.

Hollows are just 13 grams heavier than Titanium Indys (335g to 348g for a 144). Standards jump up by nearly 40g (387g) for the equivalent truck. If I won the lottery or were sponsored, it’d be Ti Indys until I drew my last breath, but for as long as I’m buying trucks at retail it’s Hollows.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 14, 2022, 01:30:00 PM
weird, I have Forged Ti and they feel too light and floaty. Definitely diminished pop feel. I have considered jumping back up to the standard plates.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on March 14, 2022, 01:35:23 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on March 14, 2022, 01:30:00 PM
weird, I have Forged Ti and they feel too light and floaty. Definitely diminished pop feel. I have considered jumping back up to the standard plates.

Interesting. I've been riding Indy mid cast plates with thunder Ti hangers for the last few months. Feels great, but it's probably against the geneva convention. If there is a God, he's going to smite me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JugeL on March 14, 2022, 01:49:50 PM
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weird, I have Forged Ti and they feel too light and floaty. Definitely diminished pop feel. I have considered jumping back up to the standard plates.
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Interesting. I've been riding Indy mid cast plates with thunder Ti hangers for the last few months. Feels great, but it's probably against the geneva convention. If there is a God, he's going to smite me.
Feels even dirtier than putting Indy bolts on my Aces
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 14, 2022, 01:59:49 PM
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weird, I have Forged Ti and they feel too light and floaty. Definitely diminished pop feel. I have considered jumping back up to the standard plates.
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Interesting. I've been riding Indy mid cast plates with thunder Ti hangers for the last few months. Feels great, but it's probably against the geneva convention. If there is a God, he's going to smite me.

Blocked and reported
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 14, 2022, 02:35:05 PM
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weird, I have Forged Ti and they feel too light and floaty. Definitely diminished pop feel. I have considered jumping back up to the standard plates.
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Interesting. I've been riding Indy mid cast plates with thunder Ti hangers for the last few months. Feels great, but it's probably against the geneva convention. If there is a God, he's going to smite me.
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Blocked and reported

Dr Moreau shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on March 14, 2022, 02:39:34 PM
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I’m curious after watching part of that Gifted Hater truck video:

For trucks like Indy which have several height and weight options do people really notice that big of a difference? Hollows seem Barry lighter than standards but are in a different tier. And Ti aren’t different than forged hollow, but like 35g lighter a piece than standard hollows but same ranking? Then you have Thunders, which in Team versions weigh the same as Indy Forged Hollow and same WB but people say feel soooo much lighter.
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My own opinion on this matter, and my takeaway from what they were saying in the video too, is that Indy Standards can be a little bit too heavy of a truck, so the Hollows are a great compromise between the weight of the Standards and the price of the Titaniums.
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Hollows are just 13 grams heavier than Titanium Indys (335g to 348g for a 144). Standards jump up by nearly 40g (387g) for the equivalent truck. If I won the lottery or were sponsored, it’d be Ti Indys until I drew my last breath, but for as long as I’m buying trucks at retail it’s Hollows.

I just switched from Indy Forged Hollows to Indy Tis (got a set for christmas) and I haven't noticed a difference. Whenever I need new trucks I'll go back to the hollows.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 14, 2022, 03:21:19 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on March 13, 2022, 09:31:43 AM
I’m curious after watching part of that Gifted Hater truck video:

For trucks like Indy which have several height and weight options do people really notice that big of a difference? Hollows seem Barry lighter than standards but are in a different tier. And Ti aren’t different than forged hollow, but like 35g lighter a piece than standard hollows but same ranking? Then you have Thunders, which in Team versions weigh the same as Indy Forged Hollow and same WB but people say feel soooo much lighter.

I think you came to the wrong place for an answer…..it all makes a big difference…
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 14, 2022, 04:31:30 PM
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Quote from: LebowskisRug on March 13, 2022, 09:31:43 AM
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I’m curious after watching part of that Gifted Hater truck video:

For trucks like Indy which have several height and weight options do people really notice that big of a difference? Hollows seem Barry lighter than standards but are in a different tier. And Ti aren’t different than forged hollow, but like 35g lighter a piece than standard hollows but same ranking? Then you have Thunders, which in Team versions weigh the same as Indy Forged Hollow and same WB but people say feel soooo much lighter.
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I think you came to the wrong place for an answer…..it all makes a big difference…


So fucking true.


But for reals: I only notice a positive difference, on sizes above 8”. 8” trucks I prefer non hollow. On some trucks brands above 8” I appreciate the help with weight. I’m skating 149 cast thunders rn, and it’s fine, whereas for the equivalent size in ace or indy I might want something a bit lighter. I think a lot of it is in my head/also in the geometry of the truck that effects the pop, so some trucks can be heavier, feel lighter. Dunno. Once the trucks are like 9” wide I like the lighter stuff. I haven’t tried indy 149 ti, I’d maybe be into it, but I’m not super into indy so I’m not trying to go in for a $90 experiment.
Gibberish
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on March 14, 2022, 04:44:22 PM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on March 14, 2022, 01:35:23 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on March 14, 2022, 01:30:00 PM
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weird, I have Forged Ti and they feel too light and floaty. Definitely diminished pop feel. I have considered jumping back up to the standard plates.
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Interesting. I've been riding Indy mid cast plates with thunder Ti hangers for the last few months. Feels great, but it's probably against the geneva convention. If there is a God, he's going to smite me.

Unexplained allergic reactions = smote
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 14, 2022, 04:48:22 PM
Do you guys find much difference with a painted truck? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: realbasedgod112 on March 14, 2022, 05:17:15 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 14, 2022, 04:48:22 PM
Do you guys find much difference with a painted truck?
kind of sticky at first, once you get grooves it all goes away.

apart from that, the main impact of riding painted trucks is getting called a kook
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 14, 2022, 05:22:40 PM
Put my Ti hangers on my Mid plates cuz I’ve never had actual normal Indy’s. Was a fun first session if anything the pop feel is heavier, but it was very easy to adapt to, and they feel fun. I would fucking laugh until the end of the time I’d the truck I prefer the most is the most basic one I avoided all these years for other random bullshit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 14, 2022, 06:49:29 PM
Quote from: realbasedgod112 on March 14, 2022, 05:17:15 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 14, 2022, 04:48:22 PM
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Do you guys find much difference with a painted truck?
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kind of sticky at first, once you get grooves it all goes away.

apart from that, the main impact of riding painted trucks is getting called a kook

Are colored trucks or colored wheels a bigger sin?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on March 14, 2022, 07:33:48 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 14, 2022, 06:49:29 PM
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Do you guys find much difference with a painted truck?
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kind of sticky at first, once you get grooves it all goes away.

apart from that, the main impact of riding painted trucks is getting called a kook
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Are colored trucks or colored wheels a bigger sin?
both can be done tastefully
id rock swirl wheels
paint scraping off trucks kinda bug me
never owned a pair of either
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MxsDx on March 14, 2022, 07:34:38 PM
LAnyone have thoughts on differences/preferences as between indy forged hollows and standard hollows? Pop feel, stability, pinch etc?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 14, 2022, 08:19:51 PM
I liked the feel/sound of cast hollows better. The forged plate sounds less good, feels less good. I can get past it, but if I could pick, the cast plate is better, for me. I think it’s strictly a familiarity thing, not unlike regular wooden boards: in the past I skated pretty well on some p2/lib tech boards…but they sound, feel…and look, fucked.
There is also a height difference between forged and cast plates to consider.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: realbasedgod112 on March 14, 2022, 08:23:44 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 14, 2022, 06:49:29 PM
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Do you guys find much difference with a painted truck?
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kind of sticky at first, once you get grooves it all goes away.

apart from that, the main impact of riding painted trucks is getting called a kook
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Are colored trucks or colored wheels a bigger sin?
definitely wheels, on certain occasions trucks can be worked in well but coloured wheels are almost always jarring
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 14, 2022, 09:27:03 PM
Quote from: MxsDx on March 14, 2022, 07:34:38 PM
LAnyone have thoughts on differences/preferences as between indy forged hollows and standard hollows? Pop feel, stability, pinch etc?

I don't ride Indys but if I had to I'm rocking forged baseplates, not a fan of the tall 55mm height. Would like to have try a Indy Low when they were still in production, 48.5mm puts them in the Venture 5.2 Lo and Thunder 147 Standard territory.

(https://www.longboarderlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/images/products/products-LOW-INDY-SILVER-STANDARD.jpg)

https://www.longboarderlabs.com/product/independent-trucks-low-stg-11-standard-129mm-silver/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: braksabbath on March 15, 2022, 12:30:15 AM
Is a hollow truck donezo when you grind it down to its hollow axle? If so the $88 Ti Indy doesn't seem so bad
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on March 15, 2022, 06:36:49 AM
Quote from: Ok on March 14, 2022, 08:19:51 PM
I liked the feel/sound of cast hollows better. The forged plate sounds less good, feels less good. I can get past it, but if I could pick, the cast plate is better, for me. I think it’s strictly a familiarity thing, not unlike regular wooden boards: in the past I skated pretty well on some p2/lib tech boards…but they sound, feel…and look, fucked.
There is also a height difference between forged and cast plates to consider.

I think my preference for the Hollows compared to standards is actually due to the hight being a bit lower. I don't mind 55, but those 53,5mm are probably the sweet spot for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 15, 2022, 07:33:29 AM
I’ve got a whopping single session on the cast Indy plates so far but it was really good. I actually didn’t notice the height in a negative way yet. It did stir up further madness for a moment thinking “shit I’m on 14.38 with cast and it feels great maybe I shouldn’t have sized up from. 14.25” but that went away quick. I think long term it will come down to these or Thunder cast as my preferred.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on March 15, 2022, 07:48:22 AM
Quote from: braksabbath on March 15, 2022, 12:30:15 AM
Is a hollow truck donezo when you grind it down to its hollow axle? If so the $88 Ti Indy doesn't seem so bad

I’m pretty deep into the axle on my hollows and so far no issue. I kept thinking I’d see a little gap open or something. I’m going to keep running them until something cracks or breaks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on March 15, 2022, 08:12:33 AM
Quote from: braksabbath on March 15, 2022, 12:30:15 AM
Is a hollow truck donezo when you grind it down to its hollow axle? If so the $88 Ti Indy doesn't seem so bad

Ti axles grab a bit more in my experience. If you're kinda lightweight like me they'll fuck up your balanced grinds.  :-\
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 15, 2022, 08:48:29 AM
Quote from: braksabbath on March 15, 2022, 12:30:15 AM
Is a hollow truck donezo when you grind it down to its hollow axle? If so the $88 Ti Indy doesn't seem so bad

A hollow axle and a solid axle are more or less equivalent strength, but obviously the hollow axle will get weaker as you grind through its structure. I don’t think a few extra weeks on what is ostensibly a totally trashed truck is enough to justify doubling the price.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 15, 2022, 09:38:44 AM
So I don't get this. I've had the same exact precise deck on Forged Hollows and now cast inverted ti frankens that are basically like Standard Hollows in the following configs:

-FH and 54mm Loophole Teardrop (2)
-FH and 52mm Classic Full (3)
-SH and 52mm Classic Full (1)

The numbers are ranking the pop in a straightline, however, when rotating the difference is noticeable. Theoretically the FH and 54s should be the same as SH and 52's right?

And oddly cast Thunders and 52 was my childhood go-to and 148s with 52s has equal pop to this SH and 52 setup. Makes no sense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on March 15, 2022, 09:53:59 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on March 15, 2022, 09:38:44 AM
So I don't get this. I've had the same exact precise deck on Forged Hollows and now cast inverted ti frankens that are basically like Standard Hollows in the following configs:

-FH and 54mm Loophole Teardrop (2)
-FH and 52mm Classic Full (3)
-SH and 52mm Classic Full (1)

The numbers are ranking the pop in a straightline, however, when rotating the difference is noticeable. Theoretically the FH and 54s should be the same as SH and 52's right?

And oddly cast Thunders and 52 was my childhood go-to and 148s with 52s has equal pop to this SH and 52 setup. Makes no sense.

How are you measuring your pop? For me it's mostly muscle memory, I need a lot of time to get used to a different setup and then I get the same pop. So the best pop is simply on what feels the most comfortable at the moment.
And there's still a difference in weight, right?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 15, 2022, 09:58:18 AM
I skate the same spots all the time. I can quickly setup my phone and use a ledge for reference for flatground tricks or tricks on the ledge and combine with how it felt.

The SH definitely take a bit more effort to pop, but it only took me about 5min of flat to adjust my timing slightly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 15, 2022, 10:13:21 AM
I think that what you are finding with this experiment, is there is just more info at play, that is relevant, that is unaccounted for. Specifically the effect of the different trucks on leverage, and the potentially compounding effects adding in the deck geo and wheel sizes. I’m thinking different angles…but what I’m really thinking is I’ve go no idea what I’m on about here. I just think there is more that we do not know. I’m not sure why I’m taking the time to peck this out, as it’s not helpful.
I’ve had some startling moments with setups, some recently, in particular skating a board with a large wb, and getting great pop. Some of my highest Ollies were on relatively heavy setups. Lighter setups helped the pop of my flip tricks.
All I know is that I dunno 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spirit on March 15, 2022, 10:33:17 AM
Quote from: Solex on March 12, 2022, 04:24:37 AM
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Heya

I'm a big dude (6'3, 220-240lbs) and I now finally have some disposable income to buy proper trucks. Got the degree, found a decent job, all that fun stuff.
I never really had any specific requirements for trucks, mainly because I could only skate the cheapest garbage I could get my hands on like Silvers and Theeves. I currently have the basic Ace model, but I already had to change out the bushings twice, as I have it on the tightest to avoid wheel bites. I like the way they feel and I would like to keep something similar even though the good turning is a bit counter-intuitive in my case.
I mainly skate flat and am working on my ledge game.

I ride an 8.5 and just grab any wheels that I can get my hands on for cheap, currently some 55s I think.
Forgot to mention that I am based in EU (Czechia), so any US specific brands are a no-go
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Maybe Independent standards 144/149 or Film 5.5 (French brand so usually cheapest in EU). They are the highest trucks I know at 55mm, it should help you with wheelbites. You could also try some hard bushings, risers, or smaller wheels (50/52mm).
Quote from: Solex on March 12, 2022, 04:24:37 AM
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Heya

I'm a big dude (6'3, 220-240lbs) and I now finally have some disposable income to buy proper trucks. Got the degree, found a decent job, all that fun stuff.
I never really had any specific requirements for trucks, mainly because I could only skate the cheapest garbage I could get my hands on like Silvers and Theeves. I currently have the basic Ace model, but I already had to change out the bushings twice, as I have it on the tightest to avoid wheel bites. I like the way they feel and I would like to keep something similar even though the good turning is a bit counter-intuitive in my case.
I mainly skate flat and am working on my ledge game.

I ride an 8.5 and just grab any wheels that I can get my hands on for cheap, currently some 55s I think.
Forgot to mention that I am based in EU (Czechia), so any US specific brands are a no-go
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Maybe Independent standards 144/149 or Film 5.5 (French brand so usually cheapest in EU). They are the highest trucks I know at 55mm, it should help you with wheelbites. You could also try some hard bushings, risers, or smaller wheels (50/52mm).
Thank a bunch!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on March 15, 2022, 01:51:11 PM
Does anyone have an accurate measurement in grams of the weight of a Thunder Team Hollow 148?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JugeL on March 15, 2022, 01:57:45 PM
Saw 338g and 340g mentioned after quick search
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on March 15, 2022, 02:29:47 PM
Quote from: JugeL on March 15, 2022, 01:57:45 PM
Saw 338g and 340g mentioned after quick search

Thanks. I checked Tactics first and then Google search. My toddler is on sleep strike so I’m going on like 2hours total sleep in 48 hours. Didn’t even think to hit the search on here for it. Brain is currently melting.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LewFarrell on March 15, 2022, 07:29:28 PM
Quote from: JugeL on March 15, 2022, 01:57:45 PM
Saw 338g and 340g mentioned after quick search

This is accurate based on mine (336.5g skated 1.5months).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cooper808 on March 15, 2022, 10:21:19 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/Ntp34Yn/5-C9-EF2-D2-2-BD8-4-C7-E-BB51-79-C7-F354-CFE0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Ntp34Yn)(https://i.ibb.co/WW5VmH1/44-B54-E1-A-DEF0-4-A4-C-8-DF4-F6694600-F7-CF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WW5VmH1)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on March 16, 2022, 07:35:49 AM
Quote from: Cooper808 on March 15, 2022, 10:21:19 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/Ntp34Yn/5-C9-EF2-D2-2-BD8-4-C7-E-BB51-79-C7-F354-CFE0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Ntp34Yn)(https://i.ibb.co/WW5VmH1/44-B54-E1-A-DEF0-4-A4-C-8-DF4-F6694600-F7-CF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WW5VmH1)

Those look really nice. AF1 hanger on a classic plate? What are the pivot cups?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: braksabbath on March 18, 2022, 08:41:55 PM
Got a set of Indy standard hollow 149 on sale. One weighs 10g more than the other. Which doesn’t seem like much but my old set is axled on the rear and that’s also 10g lighter than the front. Doesn’t make sense. Do yourself a favor and don’t weigh anything ever.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 18, 2022, 10:35:38 PM
Quote from: braksabbath on March 18, 2022, 08:41:55 PM
Got a set of Indy standard hollow 149 on sale. One weighs 10g more than the other. Which doesn’t seem like much but my old set is axled on the rear and that’s also 10g lighter than the front. Doesn’t make sense. Do yourself a favor and don’t weigh anything ever.


If they are brand new, that is weird.  If they are used, the wear on the truck could account for the weight difference.

Now you have started, you should at least keep going, so take everything apart and check each baseplate and each hanger.

Not being a dick, just helping to sort out the difference and also curious as to where the difference is with those trucks.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 18, 2022, 10:41:36 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 14, 2022, 09:27:03 PM
Quote from: MxsDx on March 14, 2022, 07:34:38 PM
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LAnyone have thoughts on differences/preferences as between indy forged hollows and standard hollows? Pop feel, stability, pinch etc?
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I don't ride Indys but if I had to I'm rocking forged baseplates, not a fan of the tall 55mm height. Would like to have try a Indy Low when they were still in production, 48.5mm puts them in the Venture 5.2 Lo and Thunder 147 Standard territory.



I probably shouldn't say, but I have a set of very minimally used Indy low 139s that don't have a home.

It is funny because at one stage these things would have been so highly sought after, but nowdays, no one seems to want the 8" Indy low trucks.

Pretty much everyone I skate with are on at least normal hollow forged or standard 148s or more likely 149s and up nowdays.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 18, 2022, 10:54:01 PM
I prefer cast just because they look better, that said I don’t like high trucks….venture high=forged, thunder=cast. If I skated Indy’s I’d prolly skate forged.  Can’t win ‘‘em all….
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 19, 2022, 09:41:19 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 18, 2022, 10:41:36 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on March 14, 2022, 09:27:03 PM
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Quote from: MxsDx on March 14, 2022, 07:34:38 PM
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LAnyone have thoughts on differences/preferences as between indy forged hollows and standard hollows? Pop feel, stability, pinch etc?
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I don't ride Indys but if I had to I'm rocking forged baseplates, not a fan of the tall 55mm height. Would like to have try a Indy Low when they were still in production, 48.5mm puts them in the Venture 5.2 Lo and Thunder 147 Standard territory.

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I probably shouldn't say, but I have a set of very minimally used Indy low 139s that don't have a home.

It is funny because at one stage these things would have been so highly sought after, but nowdays, no one seems to want the 8" Indy low trucks.

Pretty much everyone I skate with are on at least normal hollow forged or standard 148s or more likely 149s and up nowdays.


@rothdigga
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 19, 2022, 06:33:03 PM
Quote from: Ok on March 19, 2022, 09:41:19 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 18, 2022, 10:41:36 PM
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Quote from: rocklobster on March 14, 2022, 09:27:03 PM
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Quote from: MxsDx on March 14, 2022, 07:34:38 PM
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LAnyone have thoughts on differences/preferences as between indy forged hollows and standard hollows? Pop feel, stability, pinch etc?
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I don't ride Indys but if I had to I'm rocking forged baseplates, not a fan of the tall 55mm height. Would like to have try a Indy Low when they were still in production, 48.5mm puts them in the Venture 5.2 Lo and Thunder 147 Standard territory.

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I probably shouldn't say, but I have a set of very minimally used Indy low 139s that don't have a home.

It is funny because at one stage these things would have been so highly sought after, but nowdays, no one seems to want the 8" Indy low trucks.

Pretty much everyone I skate with are on at least normal hollow forged or standard 148s or more likely 149s and up nowdays.
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@rothdigga


I already offered, but didn't have a reply.

Might be he has enough now to last as long as needed, or has per others, finding the mids work well enough for what they want.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: braksabbath on March 20, 2022, 12:21:37 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on March 18, 2022, 10:35:38 PM
Quote from: braksabbath on March 18, 2022, 08:41:55 PM
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Got a set of Indy standard hollow 149 on sale. One weighs 10g more than the other. Which doesn’t seem like much but my old set is axled on the rear and that’s also 10g lighter than the front. Doesn’t make sense. Do yourself a favor and don’t weigh anything ever.
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If they are brand new, that is weird.  If they are used, the wear on the truck could account for the weight difference.

Now you have started, you should at least keep going, so take everything apart and check each baseplate and each hanger.

Not being a dick, just helping to sort out the difference and also curious as to where the difference is with those trucks.
The hanger and baseplate on one is 6g and 4g heavier than the other. If I swap them around both trucks come out evenly to 380g, which is 10g heavier than the 370g they’re spec’d at.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on March 20, 2022, 12:36:44 AM
anyone know who makes thinner bottom washers?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 20, 2022, 07:28:27 AM
If you go to a hardware store like an Ace hardware that has a good bulk section you can find thinner washers often, but they’re likely not even a full mm thinner than normal. Most washers are thinner in the middle than the cupped section.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lazer69 on March 20, 2022, 08:06:49 AM
[Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/jTL4WQG.jpg)

was gonna change my bushings n the ventures. go to try to slip tool in it wont go in and i see this.

I hope i can find a chisel here
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bror on March 20, 2022, 10:39:40 AM
I got some venture hi's off the swedish ebay for my cruiser. Wheels on it is 60mm super juices.

1. Is it a stupid truck choice since the venture turn is quick to wheelbite? Gonna go risers ofc but still..

2. How do u setup yours to get em more surfy feely?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LewFarrell on March 20, 2022, 11:39:32 AM
Quote from: Bror on March 20, 2022, 10:39:40 AM
I got some venture hi's off the swedish ebay for my cruiser. Wheels on it is 60mm super juices.

1. Is it a stupid truck choice since the venture turn is quick to wheelbite? Gonna go risers ofc but still..

2. How do u setup yours to get em more surfy feely?

I don't find that Ventures wheelbite easily, not like Thunders at least. With those big soft wheels any wheelbite will be noticable though.

Using a flat Bones style washer on the top bushing will definitely make the trucks feel more surfy, as well as rocking softer bushings. I see a lot of people with Bones softs on Venture hi's. I also think the Indy red conical bushings should work well although I haven't personally tried it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JugeL on March 20, 2022, 01:09:28 PM
Quote from: Bror on March 20, 2022, 10:39:40 AM
I got some venture hi's off the swedish ebay for my cruiser. Wheels on it is 60mm super juices.

1. Is it a stupid truck choice since the venture turn is quick to wheelbite? Gonna go risers ofc but still..

2. How do u setup yours to get em more surfy feely?
I used to skate venture hi's with 60mm spitfire classics. Used 1/8 riser and it was manageable. I could do all my flatground and slappy stuff okay. Couldn't really surf that much  so i would say go for bigger riser if you really wanna cruise.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on March 20, 2022, 01:13:58 PM
Quote from: Bror on March 20, 2022, 10:39:40 AM
I got some venture hi's off the swedish ebay for my cruiser. Wheels on it is 60mm super juices.

1. Is it a stupid truck choice since the venture turn is quick to wheelbite? Gonna go risers ofc but still..

2. How do u setup yours to get em more surfy feely?

A flat washer under the bottom bushing cup. Changes the geometry slightly for less wheel bite.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 20, 2022, 01:19:34 PM
I actually don’t think this is a dumb idea….they don’t carve that well, but at the same time, you can really lean into them. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: devourthehours on March 20, 2022, 02:43:40 PM
Indy Titaniums broke on me in the middle of the 50-50. I think ive skated these 5 times:

(https://i.ibb.co/Y0RN9W8/20220320-100732.jpg)

Already sent a warranty request. Swapped to some Thunder Hollow Lights to give them a shot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 20, 2022, 04:54:23 PM
Quote from: lazer69 on March 20, 2022, 08:06:49 AM
[Imgur]http://(https://i.imgur.com/jTL4WQG.jpg)

was gonna change my bushings n the ventures. go to try to slip tool in it wont go in and i see this.

I hope i can find a chisel here


Best thing for that is a 9/16" spanner or a smaller size adjustable wrench.

I found that a number of trucks always would have issues, mainly Thunder, but some Venture low and other brands where the hanger dropped towards the kingpin, so having one of these on hand was always a good idea.

Just a simple set of beefy pliers might also help with that bit of metal that is sitting over it too.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0023/3196/7553/products/STAH40481212_500_bae3f82e-8e94-44d0-ae66-3ade0ac562cb_600x.jpg)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on March 20, 2022, 06:22:43 PM
I don't wanna get anyone in trouble so I'll just say a well-known person in the NHS camp relocated in recent years near me and told a good friend of mine that Indy is coming out with a stage 12 soon.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 20, 2022, 06:56:49 PM
Quote from: logjammin on March 20, 2022, 06:22:43 PM
I don't wanna get anyone in trouble so I'll just say a well-known person in the NHS camp relocated in recent years near me and told a good friend of mine that Indy is coming out with a stage 12 soon.


Oh shit.
Indys have never been my favorite, I’ve always felt like something wasn’t quite the way I wanted it, but the versatility/quality was always notable. Unless someone had a specific reason otherwise, Indy was the way to go, a baseline if you will. The branding, the nhs vs dlx, the outside of skating fan club, all of that always sucked tho.
From a consumer standpoint, it’s pretty cool how many quality options there are. It’s truck wars, and for sure the image stuff for all brands is important, but performance seems to be driving it more and more
Be cool to hear what these are about
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thanksgiving on March 20, 2022, 07:06:31 PM
Quote from: logjammin on March 20, 2022, 06:22:43 PM
I don't wanna get anyone in trouble so I'll just say a well-known person in the NHS camp relocated in recent years near me and told a good friend of mine that Indy is coming out with a stage 12 soon.
do you have anything else to back this up? the shop has got... a large number of $ of indy inventory right now
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 20, 2022, 07:20:11 PM
Not sure if they can do any better than engineering a mid truck……
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 20, 2022, 07:28:22 PM
A new stage always drags me back to Indy. I just can't help myself. I've had at least one pair of every stage Indy except 1 and 3.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JugeL on March 20, 2022, 10:33:50 PM
Nothing better than trusting complete stranger on internet
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Solex on March 21, 2022, 03:29:25 AM
Quote from: skatekm0 on March 20, 2022, 02:43:40 PM
Indy Titaniums broke on me in the middle of the 50-50. I think ive skated these 5 times:

(https://i.ibb.co/Y0RN9W8/20220320-100732.jpg)

Already sent a warranty request. Swapped to some Thunder Hollow Lights to give them a shot.
Mmm...feels strange for something suppsed to be made of...titanium...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on March 21, 2022, 08:42:57 AM
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I don't wanna get anyone in trouble so I'll just say a well-known person in the NHS camp relocated in recent years near me and told a good friend of mine that Indy is coming out with a stage 12 soon.
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do you have anything else to back this up? the shop has got... a large number of $ of indy inventory right now

That's all the info I have. He's someone who co-owns a green themed board company on NHS and I doubt he'd say it if it wasn't true. Still take it with a grain of salt in terms of when it will hit the market, though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 21, 2022, 09:48:53 AM
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I don't wanna get anyone in trouble so I'll just say a well-known person in the NHS camp relocated in recent years near me and told a good friend of mine that Indy is coming out with a stage 12 soon.
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do you have anything else to back this up? the shop has got... a large number of $ of indy inventory right now
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That's all the info I have. He's someone who co-owns a green themed board company on NHS and I doubt he'd say it if it wasn't true. Still take it with a grain of salt in terms of when it will hit the market, though.

NHS isn't known for having the most shop-friendly business practices, so it wouldn't be shocking if they dropped a Stage XII without enough warning for shops to clear out their old Stage IVs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 21, 2022, 09:57:24 AM
Stage 12s are probably a way out but this has been one of the longest gaps between stages, so they are due. But, what can they really do at this point that people really want?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on March 21, 2022, 10:00:28 AM
Quote from: skatekm0 on March 20, 2022, 02:43:40 PM
Indy Titaniums broke on me in the middle of the 50-50. I think ive skated these 5 times:

(https://i.ibb.co/Y0RN9W8/20220320-100732.jpg)

Already sent a warranty request. Swapped to some Thunder Hollow Lights to give them a shot.

See if a magnet sticks to it. Titanium should not be magnetic. If it’s steel. A magnet will stick. But titanium can be pretty brittle. Usually harder metals are stronger but more brittle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 21, 2022, 10:13:08 AM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on March 21, 2022, 09:57:24 AM
Stage 12s are probably a way out but this has been one of the longest gaps between stages, so they are due. But, what can they really do at this point that people really want?

Honestly this is my question. It’s pretty much agreed upon that the Stage IV is an amazing truck, even friends who ride Thunder and Venture concede that, if it it doesn’t exactly work for them. Indy has got some of the best riders in all disciplines on them, to the point where Tiago and Tom Knox are riding the same truck as Chris Russell and Bucky Lasek.

I suppose there’s always room for improvement, but the Stage IV is about as juggernaut a product as the skateboard industry has ever seen. It would be easy to fuck it up so I’ll be curious to see what they come up with (if anything).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 21, 2022, 10:16:28 AM
Quote from: skatekm0 on March 20, 2022, 02:43:40 PM
Indy Titaniums broke on me in the middle of the 50-50. I think ive skated these 5 times:

(https://i.ibb.co/Y0RN9W8/20220320-100732.jpg)

Already sent a warranty request. Swapped to some Thunder Hollow Lights to give them a shot.

Titanium isn’t unbearable, and it’s unfortunately more prone to certain types of stress riser failures than some forms of chromoly, even though it is stronger and lighter according to Young’s modulus. I’m sure Indy will take care of you asap but this still sucks. Fwiw I’m on year four of some titanium 159s and they continue to be basically the best truck in the world for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 21, 2022, 10:24:13 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on March 21, 2022, 10:13:08 AM
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Stage 12s are probably a way out but this has been one of the longest gaps between stages, so they are due. But, what can they really do at this point that people really want?
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Honestly this is my question. It’s pretty much agreed upon that the Stage IV is an amazing truck, even friends who ride Thunder and Venture concede that, if it it doesn’t exactly work for them. Indy has got some of the best riders in all disciplines on them, to the point where Tiago and Tom Knox are riding the same truck as Chris Russell and Bucky Lasek.

I suppose there’s always room for improvement, but the Stage IV is about as juggernaut a product as the skateboard industry has ever seen. It would be easy to fuck it up so I’ll be curious to see what they come up with (if anything).

I agree with a lot of this, and as I always point out, indy isn’t my first choice. They work very well tho. My standard 159s were some of my favorite trucks ever.

I am interested to see where it goes next.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 21, 2022, 10:29:56 AM
IV is 4, y’all mean Stage XI, which is 11.

At a certain point what can Indy really do? The biggest game change honestly would be forging a plate that is the same exact dimensions as cast to lighten it up
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JugeL on March 21, 2022, 10:30:29 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on March 21, 2022, 10:13:08 AM
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Stage 12s are probably a way out but this has been one of the longest gaps between stages, so they are due. But, what can they really do at this point that people really want?
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Honestly this is my question. It’s pretty much agreed upon that the Stage IV is an amazing truck, even friends who ride Thunder and Venture concede that, if it it doesn’t exactly work for them. Indy has got some of the best riders in all disciplines on them, to the point where Tiago and Tom Knox are riding the same truck as Chris Russell and Bucky Lasek.

I suppose there’s always room for improvement, but the Stage IV is about as juggernaut a product as the skateboard industry has ever seen. It would be easy to fuck it up so I’ll be curious to see what they come up with (if anything).
Indy stage 4s really are that amazing!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 21, 2022, 10:39:35 AM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 21, 2022, 10:53:38 AM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on March 21, 2022, 09:57:24 AM
Stage 12s are probably a way out but this has been one of the longest gaps between stages, so they are due. But, what can they really do at this point that people really want?

They obviously can't change the geo (too much) as that camp loves what it loves. My guess is a hanger redesign that sheds some weight/bulk off (especially around the yoke, like the 215s)

With the mids/ (older but still recent) 215s using that 'classic' indy geometry who knows...interesting to know what stage that really use for them...stage V? VIII?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on March 21, 2022, 11:04:24 AM
They could potentially put a dent in Ace's pockets if they revert back to that geometry and beat them to the punch with forged hollow/titanium variants with inverted kingpins and the shaft nut design in the baseplate. Simple, done. I'm still not holding my breath though. Between Indy's MiD with LESS grind clearance, Ace's shitty grinding AF1's/changing of the geometry/QC issues, and Lurpiv's embarrassing start, I'd say 2022 is on track for more truck devolution.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rothdigga on March 21, 2022, 11:08:13 AM
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LAnyone have thoughts on differences/preferences as between indy forged hollows and standard hollows? Pop feel, stability, pinch etc?
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I don't ride Indys but if I had to I'm rocking forged baseplates, not a fan of the tall 55mm height. Would like to have try a Indy Low when they were still in production, 48.5mm puts them in the Venture 5.2 Lo and Thunder 147 Standard territory.

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I probably shouldn't say, but I have a set of very minimally used Indy low 139s that don't have a home.

It is funny because at one stage these things would have been so highly sought after, but nowdays, no one seems to want the 8" Indy low trucks.

Pretty much everyone I skate with are on at least normal hollow forged or standard 148s or more likely 149s and up nowdays.
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@rothdigga
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I already offered, but didn't have a reply.

Might be he has enough now to last as long as needed, or has per others, finding the mids work well enough for what they want.
I'm holding pretty good on them right now as I have about 9 trucks (not 9 sets but 9 trucks) chilling at my house.  but...I wouldn't mind a shoe swap I guess.  I'm actually overdue to swap one of those trucks out now as I am almost down to the axle on my back truck from slappys, so it's done.  I'm torn, I kind of want to upgrade to a slightly bigger board but I know the higher trucks would just ruin me.  I've been skating a 7.875 for so long that if i went to 8.125 or so, I would definitely need a wider truck and wide means taller...fuck. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 21, 2022, 11:25:22 AM
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LAnyone have thoughts on differences/preferences as between indy forged hollows and standard hollows? Pop feel, stability, pinch etc?
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I don't ride Indys but if I had to I'm rocking forged baseplates, not a fan of the tall 55mm height. Would like to have try a Indy Low when they were still in production, 48.5mm puts them in the Venture 5.2 Lo and Thunder 147 Standard territory.

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I probably shouldn't say, but I have a set of very minimally used Indy low 139s that don't have a home.

It is funny because at one stage these things would have been so highly sought after, but nowdays, no one seems to want the 8" Indy low trucks.

Pretty much everyone I skate with are on at least normal hollow forged or standard 148s or more likely 149s and up nowdays.
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@rothdigga
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I already offered, but didn't have a reply.

Might be he has enough now to last as long as needed, or has per others, finding the mids work well enough for what they want.
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I'm holding pretty good on them right now as I have about 9 trucks (not 9 sets but 9 trucks) chilling at my house.  but...I wouldn't mind a shoe swap I guess.  I'm actually overdue to swap one of those trucks out now as I am almost down to the axle on my back truck from slappys, so it's done.  I'm torn, I kind of want to upgrade to a slightly bigger board but I know the higher trucks would just ruin me.  I've been skating a 7.875 for so long that if i went to 8.125 or so, I would definitely need a wider truck and wide means taller...fuck.

I have very similar concerns: I skate ‘better’ on 7.75-8” decks, 8” (or less trucks). If I want to size up wheels, the whole shit starts to get too tippy/tall and narrow. But I also like the comfort of skating on a larger board. Mumble grumble skip ahead and now I’m trying to fling a much bigger setup, with middling results. That’s my painful story of woe.
I’m sure you of all people know that an 8.125 on 139s is pretty much the same ratio as 7.75 on 5.0s (not sure if you ever went that narrow). Basically the setup that nyjah and Shane ride. It was the least painful upsizing that I experienced, as I could still flip some stuff around. I continued to upsize and should probably come back down to something similar. I am super garbage tho, and never in my entire skate life have I stayed with one thing…pretty amazed by people that do tbh (I’m looking at you, Puleo, with your size 50s)

Oh. Some people swear by the method of using washer on the inside of the wheel to space out the wheels on the axle. Again, I’m sure everyone reading this far as done it/heard of it. It does work, and well with Indys as they don’t bend. This wasn’t an a-ha type realization or fix for me, I don’t think I’m good enough to really be able to tell.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on March 21, 2022, 11:37:36 AM
Quote from: logjammin on March 21, 2022, 11:04:24 AM
They could potentially put a dent in Ace's pockets if they revert back to that geometry and beat them to the punch with forged hollow/titanium variants with inverted kingpins and the shaft nut design in the baseplate. Simple, done. I'm still not holding my breath though. Between Indy's MiD with LESS grind clearance, Ace's shitty grinding AF1's/changing of the geometry/QC issues, and Lurpiv's embarrassing start, I'd say 2022 is on track for more truck devolution.

Funny how somehow royal did better than all those big and loved truck brands. Just got another pair of regular royal 149s. My inverted 144s are amazing, I just want them wider and have both baseplate options.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 21, 2022, 11:45:23 AM
Really the only thing Indy could do to get people excited might be to explore old Stages as reissues. Take modern features (non-slip axles, better bushings, lower KP, 6 holes) to a Stage 5 for instance. But they'd be stupid to mess with the Stage 11s too much.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 21, 2022, 11:56:42 AM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on March 21, 2022, 11:45:23 AM
Really the only thing Indy could do to get people excited might be to explore old Stages as reissues. Take modern features (non-slip axles, better bushings, lower KP, 6 holes) to a Stage 5 for instance. But they'd be stupid to mess with the Stage 11s too much.

This notion has come up a few times and it would be so sick. Unfortunately I can’t see them doing it, for several reasons: competing with their own past probably goes against some rules of business, not sure what the ownership status of the old molds is, as they used to be a part of ermico…
But it is fun to think about.
Indy has the best metal. They sound and feel the best grinding. And the old ones were even better, in that regard…according to my memory. Which sucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thebacker on March 21, 2022, 11:57:41 AM
Quote from: Bror on March 20, 2022, 10:39:40 AM
I got some venture hi's off the swedish ebay for my cruiser. Wheels on it is 60mm super juices.

1. Is it a stupid truck choice since the venture turn is quick to wheelbite? Gonna go risers ofc but still..

2. How do u setup yours to get em more surfy feely?

orange deluxe bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 21, 2022, 12:24:44 PM
Upgrade pivot cup: riptide
Flat washer…
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on March 21, 2022, 12:34:39 PM
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They could potentially put a dent in Ace's pockets if they revert back to that geometry and beat them to the punch with forged hollow/titanium variants with inverted kingpins and the shaft nut design in the baseplate. Simple, done. I'm still not holding my breath though. Between Indy's MiD with LESS grind clearance, Ace's shitty grinding AF1's/changing of the geometry/QC issues, and Lurpiv's embarrassing start, I'd say 2022 is on track for more truck devolution.
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Funny how somehow royal did better than all those big and loved truck brands. Just got another pair of regular royal 149s. My inverted 144s are amazing, I just want them wider and have both baseplate options.

Yeah, the last thing anyone expected for sure. I can't get myself to try them for the lame truck vanity reasons, admittedly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bombsaway86 on March 21, 2022, 01:29:48 PM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on March 21, 2022, 09:57:24 AM
Stage 12s are probably a way out but this has been one of the longest gaps between stages, so they are due. But, what can they really do at this point that people really want?

Better stock bushings and get the turn closer to Ace. They could put the conical 92a bushings in them and call it a stage 12 and I would happily pay a few dollars more than the current price.

They should steal the rethreading axle nuts from Ace too. My stage 11s are the only truck I’ve ever had to rethread the axles on.

I recently switched back to Indy after riding Ace for about 5 years. The grind is just so much better on Indy’s.

The funny thing to me is how everyone is so nostalgic for stage 7/8. I just recently gave away a set of stage 8 149s and after riding both, the stage 11 have a better turn and grind. That’s just my opinion though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 21, 2022, 01:58:37 PM
I had some stage 8s that grinded amazing. The metal feels so much harder. But I could not handle the axle slip so I put Stage 11 hangers on Stage 8 baseplates.

Still prefer Ace and Thunder to Indy though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on March 21, 2022, 02:35:58 PM
Speaking of older stage Indy's...I recently scored like 9.5/10 mint 169 stage 8's on ebay and finally got around to messing with them yesterday. The kingpins sit so damn high there is literally no clearance at all. Thankfully older Indy's with the hex bolts hammer out extremely easy. The nuts fit perfectly into the grooves made from the hex head. Kreper pins wouldn't fit into the baseplate holes for some reason, my only option was to go with the OG krux inverted ones. No matter what bushings I tried, the turn definitely felt very close to Ace but they wheelbite really bad, even with 1/8" risers. And just slaloming around the driveway I would pick up my board after and do the ol' twist the bottom bushing test with my fingers and sure enough they'd start to slightly turn, indicating the kingpin looseing pretty easily. That shaft nut design in the baseplate is key for inverted kingpins, for sure. Although it still loosens for some people, reinforcing maybe why inverted kingpins really aren't a safe bet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 22, 2022, 10:28:00 AM
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I got some venture hi's off the swedish ebay for my cruiser. Wheels on it is 60mm super juices.

1. Is it a stupid truck choice since the venture turn is quick to wheelbite? Gonna go risers ofc but still..

2. How do u setup yours to get em more surfy feely?
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orange deluxe bushings

Quote from: j....soy..... on March 21, 2022, 12:24:44 PM
Upgrade pivot cup: riptide
Flat washer…


Upgrade pivot cup: riptide
Flat washer…
ACE regular bottoms, lo tops

Easily the best feeling ventures I've ridden.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: vicious cycle on March 22, 2022, 01:08:47 PM
Quote from: skatekm0 on March 20, 2022, 02:43:40 PM
Indy Titaniums broke on me in the middle of the 50-50. I think ive skated these 5 times:

(https://i.ibb.co/Y0RN9W8/20220320-100732.jpg)

Already sent a warranty request. Swapped to some Thunder Hollow Lights to give them a shot.
Yo, check my post on page 362 in here.
I basically had the same thing happening to me.
The distribution the shop has them from gave me a complete new pair for free. Wish you luck.
Strange thing man. Maybe they had a bad batch of axles or something..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: devourthehours on March 22, 2022, 01:10:59 PM
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Indy Titaniums broke on me in the middle of the 50-50. I think ive skated these 5 times:

(https://i.ibb.co/Y0RN9W8/20220320-100732.jpg)

Already sent a warranty request. Swapped to some Thunder Hollow Lights to give them a shot.
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Yo, check my post on page 362 in here.
I basically had the same thing happening to me.
The distribution the shop has them from gave me a complete new pair for free. Hope you luck.

Thanks man. Yeah they sent me a label to ship them back to NHS. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on March 22, 2022, 02:14:52 PM
Chromoly axles are stronger than titanium ones, technically. They're barely lighter than forged hollows, too. Never seen that happen to a chromoly axle unless the hanger was ground so far that someone was grinding on the axle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 22, 2022, 03:15:34 PM
i must be the only person that things Riptides make Indys and Thunders worse. More spongey feeling, less firm snap back to center. if anyone wants my Indy cups DM me and I'll drop them in an envelope for ya
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FakieDisaster on March 23, 2022, 03:08:27 AM

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Dear god this bushing is killing me any idea to fix this? Flat washers work?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JugeL on March 23, 2022, 04:38:11 AM
Try resetting it first, new bushings do that all the time on certain trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on March 23, 2022, 12:32:01 PM
I've bought a Polar 8.75" Surf Jr deck, and look to buy some wider trucks. Its obviously for cruising, but also to pop some ollies, have some fun. Need to be stable. As mentioned earlier, I dont find Indys that stable feeling. But I want to be able to turn too. Thunder is the best comprimise?
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Post by: JugeL on March 23, 2022, 01:05:03 PM
I would go Ventures
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Post by: TwisT on March 23, 2022, 01:59:23 PM
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Dear god this bushing is killing me any idea to fix this? Flat washers work?

I ran flat washer on my tensors. however those don't look like the stock bushings. I tried some bones and indy bushings on mine and they never sat right, I just ran the stock bushings which were fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on March 23, 2022, 02:11:20 PM
Krux bushings fit well in the ATGs, same height. Looks like yours have forged baseplates. They used to only be cast after they stopped shipping with mag plates.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Dear god this bushing is killing me any idea to fix this? Flat washers work?
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I ran flat washer on my tensors. however those don't look like the stock bushings. I tried some bones and indy bushings on mine and they never sat right, I just ran the stock bushings which were fine.
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Dear god this bushing is killing me any idea to fix this? Flat washers work?

I ran flat washer on my tensors. however those don't look like the stock bushings. I tried some bones and indy bushings on mine and they never sat right, I just ran the stock bushings which were fine.
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Top is stock bushing while the bottom is indy hard black. These white ones kinda softer than the indy orange ones i used to ride. Will find flat washers then.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Goggzy60 on March 24, 2022, 01:59:49 PM
I just got some Iron Trucks for free. The Destructos I have been riding recently have held up well. Has anyone ever used the Iron Trucks (trucks are the only thing I ever change in my setup) if so how long did they last.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JugeL on March 24, 2022, 02:54:33 PM
There is a guy at the park that skates them stupidly tight. He rips but just looking at them i'm not that convinced.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on March 24, 2022, 06:26:56 PM
They're okay, but they wheelbite pretty bad.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 25, 2022, 08:08:03 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on March 22, 2022, 03:15:34 PM
i must be the only person that things Riptides make Indys and Thunders worse. More spongey feeling, less firm snap back to center. if anyone wants my Indy cups DM me and I'll drop them in an envelope for ya


In Thunders, didn't like how they felt (also can't abide using barrel bushings in them either); however, in Indys, riptides are sooo good, they accentuate that smooth long turn indy has.

Quote from: FakieDisaster on March 23, 2022, 03:08:27 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/cyD9dQ6/66-C1-A80-F-8-D78-4-C49-BD61-B9-BE60-C29611.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZfWrCxB)

Dear god this bushing is killing me any idea to fix this? Flat washers work?

Firstly, having three pairs of ATGs, I've never had this happen, stock or otherwise.

Secondly, get rid of the Tensor [top] bushing(s) if you want to turn/have responsive trucks; while 90a they feel harder, and that top bushings design really limits this trucks ability to turn. Throw in Bones med or soft, NO washers and you're set.

Lastly, with a hard bottom/soft top combo you've slowed the trucks ability to return to center quickly (this is why ACE come soft bottom, hard top as it provides a deep ability to turn (bottom/boardside) with a fast snap back to center (top/roadside). Bones soft bottom/med top is really good in these trucks; since you are running indy blacks, a med bones bottom, hard top would do ya (or just get a harder indy top).

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on March 25, 2022, 08:15:52 AM
Quote from: Xen on March 25, 2022, 08:08:03 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on March 22, 2022, 03:15:34 PM
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i must be the only person that things Riptides make Indys and Thunders worse. More spongey feeling, less firm snap back to center. if anyone wants my Indy cups DM me and I'll drop them in an envelope for ya

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In Thunders, didn't like how they felt (also can't abide using barrel bushings in them either); however, in Indys, riptides are sooo good, they accentuate that smooth long turn indy has.

I must be the only one, but I couldn't feel a difference with Riptides, at all. Gave them away in a pair of Indys to a local kid. I asked he could tell the difference, and he couldn't either. I've read people on here state ceramic bearings feel "harder" than steel. I don't see how a human body could perceive any difference. Ya'll have spidey sense or I'm just completely numb.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 25, 2022, 09:06:10 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on March 22, 2022, 03:15:34 PM
i must be the only person that things Riptides make Indys and Thunders worse. More spongey feeling, less firm snap back to center. if anyone wants my Indy cups DM me and I'll drop them in an envelope for ya

Yeah, I put some on my Indys after a pivot cup blew out, and they turn more or less fine, but the knob end of the hanger is looser than it is with Indy cups (been this way since new), and the truck gets stuck in whatever direction it was pressed the hardest. After a while of skating them, I figured that polyurethane probably isn’t the best material for a pivot cup - hard plastic is.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on March 25, 2022, 10:27:01 AM
Riptides are kinda hit or miss with me, I've ripped many pairs of them from slappies and they always send me new ones. It's also a pain in the ass when they're new and the white dry lube stuff keeps the pivot nub of the hanger from staying in there when trying to assemble the truck, I gotta press everything down super hard just to get the nut to catch the threads and then crank it down. It makes the hanger sit weird for a bit til they get skated and it fully rests inside the pivot cavity. I just say fuck it now and put a little wax inside of stock pivot cups that come with trucks and I notice hardly any difference between that and Riptides. They're still an amazing company with super friendly owners, though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 25, 2022, 10:48:10 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on March 25, 2022, 09:06:10 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on March 22, 2022, 03:15:34 PM
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i must be the only person that things Riptides make Indys and Thunders worse. More spongey feeling, less firm snap back to center. if anyone wants my Indy cups DM me and I'll drop them in an envelope for ya
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Yeah, I put some on my Indys after a pivot cup blew out, and they then more or less fine, but the knob end of the hanger is looser than it is with Indy cups (been this way since new), and the truck gets stuck in whatever direction it was pressed the hardest. After a while of skating them, I figured that polyurethane probably isn’t the best material for a pivot cup - hard plastic is.

Yup, riptides aren't as thick as the newer stock indy (or ACE/Royals); the new ACE cups hug the indy pivot nicely as well.

These new thicker/hand poured jobs are much better and last a lot longer than those trash hard plastic ones that used to come stock on indy and remain stock in thunders. That's why Khiro were a better option back in the day....Theeve shipped quality cups at their launch and to this day as well.

For ACE/Indy/Royal I don't feel Riptides bring anything better these days...unless you can't get replacements.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on March 25, 2022, 11:16:46 AM
Side note: anyone tried those new Ace shock pads? I was thinking about putting them against the board stacked with a 1/8" Ace riser on top of it. Slightly more clearance, but hopefully without making the board sound/feel dead? I don't think I've ever used shock pads but the idea of not having my teeth chatter on rough ground sounds great. I know softer wheels can already alleviate this, but some added shock absorption would be cool.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on March 25, 2022, 12:40:01 PM
Quote from: logjammin on March 25, 2022, 11:16:46 AM
Side note: anyone tried those new Ace shock pads? I was thinking about putting them against the board stacked with a 1/8" Ace riser on top of it. Slightly more clearance, but hopefully without making the board sound/feel dead? I don't think I've ever used shock pads but the idea of not having my teeth chatter on rough ground sounds great. I know softer wheels can already alleviate this, but some added shock absorption would be cool.

I ran that combo (Truck->riser->shocked) for a while and loved it. I didn't think it made my setup sound dead, but I guess it depends how sensitive to that you are (FWIW I love shock pads and/or soft wheels). The ace pads somewhere between hard rubber and dooks in terms of density, if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 25, 2022, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: Ronnie Rodriguez on March 25, 2022, 12:40:01 PM
Quote from: logjammin on March 25, 2022, 11:16:46 AM
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Side note: anyone tried those new Ace shock pads? I was thinking about putting them against the board stacked with a 1/8" Ace riser on top of it. Slightly more clearance, but hopefully without making the board sound/feel dead? I don't think I've ever used shock pads but the idea of not having my teeth chatter on rough ground sounds great. I know softer wheels can already alleviate this, but some added shock absorption would be cool.
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I ran that combo (Truck->riser->shocked) for a while and loved it. I didn't think it made my setup sound dead, but I guess it depends how sensitive to that you are (FWIW I love shock pads and/or soft wheels). The ace pads somewhere between hard rubber and dooks in terms of density, if that makes sense.

Lucky risers were like that, pliable not rock hard nor super squishy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on March 25, 2022, 01:07:37 PM
Quote from: Xen on March 25, 2022, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: Ronnie Rodriguez on March 25, 2022, 12:40:01 PM
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Quote from: logjammin on March 25, 2022, 11:16:46 AM
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Side note: anyone tried those new Ace shock pads? I was thinking about putting them against the board stacked with a 1/8" Ace riser on top of it. Slightly more clearance, but hopefully without making the board sound/feel dead? I don't think I've ever used shock pads but the idea of not having my teeth chatter on rough ground sounds great. I know softer wheels can already alleviate this, but some added shock absorption would be cool.
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I ran that combo (Truck->riser->shocked) for a while and loved it. I didn't think it made my setup sound dead, but I guess it depends how sensitive to that you are (FWIW I love shock pads and/or soft wheels). The ace pads somewhere between hard rubber and dooks in terms of density, if that makes sense.
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Lucky risers were like that, pliable not rock hard nor super squishy.

The Ace shocks are actually pretty different from the Luckys (actually running a set of the luckys with my Indys RN). I should clarify that when I said Dooks, I meant the foamy shock pads (I think they were called Silencers). The Ace pads are more dense than that but not as dense as a hard rubber. The spectrum would be something like:

(soft) Dook silencers->Ace shocks->Indy hard rubber shock pads->Lucky (also Krooked)->Regular plastic risers (hard)

Didn't include all the new wood and metal risers people are dropping, but hopefully that gets the idea across.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 25, 2022, 01:59:20 PM
My luckys are really old , my krookeds from last year or so are typically hard, I can easily bend the luckys in one hand. Could different duros by now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on March 25, 2022, 07:57:44 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on March 25, 2022, 09:06:10 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on March 22, 2022, 03:15:34 PM
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i must be the only person that things Riptides make Indys and Thunders worse. More spongey feeling, less firm snap back to center. if anyone wants my Indy cups DM me and I'll drop them in an envelope for ya
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Yeah, I put some on my Indys after a pivot cup blew out, and they turn more or less fine, but the knob end of the hanger is looser than it is with Indy cups (been this way since new), and the truck gets stuck in whatever direction it was pressed the hardest. After a while of skating them, I figured that polyurethane probably isn’t the best material for a pivot cup - hard plastic is.

Hard plastic works terrible as a pivot cup in my opinion. Mini-logo has/had hard plastic ones that when replaced make a huge difference. I also had a set of Krux that felt so off from what I was used to and it turned out they randomly came with clear hard plastic pivot cups, when I got the normal ones in there it was crazy how much better they turned and felt.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 26, 2022, 02:28:18 AM
Did they changed the diameter of the new indy aftermarket pivot cups? I swear, they look smaller and the hanger nub did not fit snug in the pivot cups. Will put some old ones in and see if that is different.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: big_kev_215 on March 26, 2022, 02:49:11 AM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on March 26, 2022, 02:28:18 AM
Did they changed the diameter of the new indy aftermarket pivot cups? I swear, they look smaller and the hanger nub did not fit snug in the pivot cups. Will put some old ones in and see if that is different.

Are you asking if Riptide did?  If so, I had the same issue.  The most recent set I bought are like lower and wider than the old ones.  They sink down noticeably below the lip of the pivot cup part of the baseplate when you put them in.  I thought I just got a bad set. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 26, 2022, 03:06:10 AM
Quote from: big_kev_215 on March 26, 2022, 02:49:11 AM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on March 26, 2022, 02:28:18 AM
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Did they changed the diameter of the new indy aftermarket pivot cups? I swear, they look smaller and the hanger nub did not fit snug in the pivot cups. Will put some old ones in and see if that is different.
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Are you asking if Riptide did?  If so, I had the same issue.  The most recent set I bought are like lower and wider than the old ones.  They sink down noticeably below the lip of the pivot cup part of the baseplate when you put them in.  I thought I just got a bad set.

No I mean the indy aftermarket pivot cups. But I had that same happen to me with riptide cups last year.

Now I am heavily contemplating to put something small over the hanger nub of my 144s, to make the nub fit more snug in the baseplate. So far, my only idea is the end piece of a condom. Please don't laugh pals. &#128517;
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 26, 2022, 03:24:40 AM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on March 26, 2022, 03:06:10 AM
Quote from: big_kev_215 on March 26, 2022, 02:49:11 AM
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Quote from: fs1/2cab on March 26, 2022, 02:28:18 AM
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Did they changed the diameter of the new indy aftermarket pivot cups? I swear, they look smaller and the hanger nub did not fit snug in the pivot cups. Will put some old ones in and see if that is different.
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Are you asking if Riptide did?  If so, I had the same issue.  The most recent set I bought are like lower and wider than the old ones.  They sink down noticeably below the lip of the pivot cup part of the baseplate when you put them in.  I thought I just got a bad set.
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No I mean the indy aftermarket pivot cups. But I had that same happen to me with riptide cups last year.

Now I am heavily contemplating to put something small over the hanger nub of my 144s, to make the nub fit more snug in the baseplate. So far, my only idea is the end piece of a condom. Please don't laugh pals. &#38;#38;#128517;


Well protected!


A few old pro dudes used to always use shoe goo in the ends of the pivot point, just a drop, then put the truck back in and away you go.  If you wax the end of the hanger nub as well, it shouldn't stick to the hanger, but help to provide a snug fit, while being easily removeable when needed.

I would think to leave the truck (or leave the board) overnight after doing this, as anything you put in there and skate on right away would usually come out pretty quickly.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 26, 2022, 05:31:21 AM
Quick note, for those who skate Mini logo trucks: Ace standard bushings are great in these. Standard bottom bushing with an Ace low top bushing. Keeps the turning real nice but adds a little more stability than the ML standard bushings.

In general, these trucks are way better than most would expect
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on March 26, 2022, 08:04:45 AM
Quote from: Ronnie Rodriguez on March 25, 2022, 12:40:01 PM
Quote from: logjammin on March 25, 2022, 11:16:46 AM
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Side note: anyone tried those new Ace shock pads? I was thinking about putting them against the board stacked with a 1/8" Ace riser on top of it. Slightly more clearance, but hopefully without making the board sound/feel dead? I don't think I've ever used shock pads but the idea of not having my teeth chatter on rough ground sounds great. I know softer wheels can already alleviate this, but some added shock absorption would be cool.
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I ran that combo (Truck->riser->shocked) for a while and loved it. I didn't think it made my setup sound dead, but I guess it depends how sensitive to that you are (FWIW I love shock pads and/or soft wheels). The ace pads somewhere between hard rubber and dooks in terms of density, if that makes sense.

Thanks man! I'm ordering some to try out now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 26, 2022, 09:40:16 AM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on March 26, 2022, 05:31:21 AM
Quick note, for those who skate Mini logo trucks: Ace standard bushings are great in these. Standard bottom bushing with an Ace low top bushing. Keeps the turning real nice but adds a little more stability than the ML standard bushings.

In general, these trucks are way better than most would expect

After I blew out the stock bushings on some Indy 149s, I threw in some Ace Classics I salvaged from my warranties trucks and they work great. I don’t know if I’d say they’re better (highly subjective), but they’re certainly more durable and the performance of the truck is not negatively impacted.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 26, 2022, 10:29:01 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on March 26, 2022, 09:40:16 AM
Quote from: Sundaynuggets on March 26, 2022, 05:31:21 AM
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Quick note, for those who skate Mini logo trucks: Ace standard bushings are great in these. Standard bottom bushing with an Ace low top bushing. Keeps the turning real nice but adds a little more stability than the ML standard bushings.

In general, these trucks are way better than most would expect
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After I blew out the stock bushings on some Indy 149s, I threw in some Ace Classics I salvaged from my warranties trucks and they work great. I don’t know if I’d say they’re better (highly subjective), but they’re certainly more durable and the performance of the truck is not negatively impacted.

Nice! I haven’t tried them in Indy’s but the Indy bushings i have freeze in the winter whereas Aces don’t so that seeems like a switch I need to experiment with
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on March 26, 2022, 10:33:13 AM
Quote from: Xen on March 22, 2022, 10:28:00 AM
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I got some venture hi's off the swedish ebay for my cruiser. Wheels on it is 60mm super juices.

1. Is it a stupid truck choice since the venture turn is quick to wheelbite? Gonna go risers ofc but still..

2. How do u setup yours to get em more surfy feely?
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orange deluxe bushings
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Quote from: j....soy..... on March 21, 2022, 12:24:44 PM
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Upgrade pivot cup: riptide
Flat washer…

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Upgrade pivot cup: riptide
Flat washer…
ACE regular bottoms, lo tops

Easily the best feeling ventures I've ridden.
Probably not wrong, but you’re essentially at or close to the cost of new trucks. If there’s other things about ventures that really do it for you, then maybe. Otherwise, just try some other trucks. No Venture hate; I went through many sets of bones softs in ventures as it’s a surfy but short lived solution, and still have some 6.1’s on hand.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Beeker on March 26, 2022, 11:09:38 AM
Quote from: beandemon on March 26, 2022, 10:33:13 AM
Quote from: Xen on March 22, 2022, 10:28:00 AM
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I got some venture hi's off the swedish ebay for my cruiser. Wheels on it is 60mm super juices.

1. Is it a stupid truck choice since the venture turn is quick to wheelbite? Gonna go risers ofc but still..

2. How do u setup yours to get em more surfy feely?
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orange deluxe bushings
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Quote from: j....soy..... on March 21, 2022, 12:24:44 PM
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Upgrade pivot cup: riptide
Flat washer…

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Upgrade pivot cup: riptide
Flat washer…
ACE regular bottoms, lo tops

Easily the best feeling ventures I've ridden.
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Probably not wrong, but you’re essentially at or close to the cost of new trucks. If there’s other things about ventures that really do it for you, then maybe. Otherwise, just try some other trucks. No Venture hate; I went through many sets of bones softs in ventures as it’s a surfy but short lived solution, and still have some 6.1’s on hand.

Everyone should have a set of Ace Classic and Ace Low bushings to fuck around with in any/all of their trucks. The new standard of bushing quality (which Royal has now joined). It is annoying to have to buy two sets to make it work, but it's well worth it.

Side note: can you get the Ace Low bushings anymore?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 26, 2022, 01:02:48 PM
Quote from: Beeker on March 26, 2022, 11:09:38 AM
Quote from: beandemon on March 26, 2022, 10:33:13 AM
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Quote from: Xen on March 22, 2022, 10:28:00 AM
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Quote from: DaveFuck on March 21, 2022, 11:57:41 AM
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Quote from: Bror on March 20, 2022, 10:39:40 AM
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I got some venture hi's off the swedish ebay for my cruiser. Wheels on it is 60mm super juices.

1. Is it a stupid truck choice since the venture turn is quick to wheelbite? Gonna go risers ofc but still..

2. How do u setup yours to get em more surfy feely?
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orange deluxe bushings
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Quote from: j....soy..... on March 21, 2022, 12:24:44 PM
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Upgrade pivot cup: riptide
Flat washer…

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Upgrade pivot cup: riptide
Flat washer…
ACE regular bottoms, lo tops

Easily the best feeling ventures I've ridden.
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Probably not wrong, but you’re essentially at or close to the cost of new trucks. If there’s other things about ventures that really do it for you, then maybe. Otherwise, just try some other trucks. No Venture hate; I went through many sets of bones softs in ventures as it’s a surfy but short lived solution, and still have some 6.1’s on hand.
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Everyone should have a set of Ace Classic and Ace Low bushings to fuck around with in any/all of their trucks. The new standard of bushing quality (which Royal has now joined). It is annoying to have to buy two sets to make it work, but it's well worth it.

Side note: can you get the Ace Low bushings anymore?

Ebay or Parade it seems; I'd guess ACE will put them back into the market after the release of the new lows?

ACE low tops + ACE regular bottoms is THE combo for Indy/Venture - the cost of two sets of bushings is well worth it.

That said, you can find the right sizing with Venom/riptide bushings as well; they're thanes/duros are on par with ACE (they feel really similar both in hand and on board).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 26, 2022, 04:49:05 PM
Could also take a razor to the high top. The tops are narrower than Indy bushings so take it off the top.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: kevs.clips on March 28, 2022, 06:23:03 PM
Does anyone know where one can buy the stock Ace replacement bushings in Canada?? I swear nowhere here up north has them. Ordering directly from the Ace site results in a $48 shipping fee :/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FakieDisaster on March 28, 2022, 07:13:04 PM
want to ask is there a standard size for flat washers that i can search in the hardware store?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: intendedreceivers on March 28, 2022, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: FakieDisaster on March 28, 2022, 07:13:04 PM
want to ask is there a standard size for flat washers that i can search in the hardware store?

I would try to get something like this for a top bushing. As long as the inner is 3/8 in. the kingpin should fit through. Barrel/cylinder bushings are 1 in. diameter. Cones taper from 1 in. down to 7/8 or 3/4.

 https://www.freshwatersystems.com/products/flat-washer-3-8-id-x-7-8-od-18-8-ss?variant=13249743487019 (https://www.freshwatersystems.com/products/flat-washer-3-8-id-x-7-8-od-18-8-ss?variant=13249743487019)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheLowerBack on April 03, 2022, 10:25:40 AM
Ace classic 44 hanger, mag plates(thanks @arrbee), stock bottom bushing, blue Indy top with a Krux IKP.
Only had one session so far on this setup. All transition, so the weight difference wasn’t noticeable. The IKP definitely felt better on smiths and I was able to front feeble around corners of pool block even though I haven’t skated a park in a few years.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on April 05, 2022, 10:50:26 AM
dear truck gurus,

is Tom Knox skating forged plates in this?  Or just hollow kingpins?  Cant tell


http://youtu.be/S5HFpcYDi28 (http://youtu.be/S5HFpcYDi28)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 05, 2022, 11:26:27 AM
Quote from: art hellman on April 05, 2022, 10:50:26 AM
dear truck gurus,

is Tom Knox skating forged plates in this?  Or just hollow kingpins?  Cant tell


http://youtu.be/S5HFpcYDi28 (http://youtu.be/S5HFpcYDi28)

Looks to be the standard (cast) hollows. Best trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on April 06, 2022, 02:57:02 PM
Quote from: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 05, 2022, 11:26:27 AM
Quote from: art hellman on April 05, 2022, 10:50:26 AM
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dear truck gurus,

is Tom Knox skating forged plates in this?  Or just hollow kingpins?  Cant tell


http://youtu.be/S5HFpcYDi28 (http://youtu.be/S5HFpcYDi28)
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Looks to be the standard (cast) hollows. Best trucks.

cheers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 06, 2022, 03:52:53 PM
Quote from: art hellman on April 06, 2022, 02:57:02 PM
Quote from: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 05, 2022, 11:26:27 AM
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dear truck gurus,

is Tom Knox skating forged plates in this?  Or just hollow kingpins?  Cant tell


http://youtu.be/S5HFpcYDi28 (http://youtu.be/S5HFpcYDi28)
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Looks to be the standard (cast) hollows. Best trucks.
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cheers

I’ve tried to start the ‘what’s that setup’ thread many times. I’m thirsty. Knox is too sick. The hollow cast have no design shortcomings, imo. 
The folks I’m keen to figure out are Bobby Dekyzer’s setup, Will Marsh and E.T., and AVE (dill while we are it).
Any info much appreciated.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Idk on April 06, 2022, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: Ok on April 06, 2022, 03:52:53 PM
Quote from: art hellman on April 06, 2022, 02:57:02 PM
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Quote from: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 05, 2022, 11:26:27 AM
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Quote from: art hellman on April 05, 2022, 10:50:26 AM
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dear truck gurus,

is Tom Knox skating forged plates in this?  Or just hollow kingpins?  Cant tell


http://youtu.be/S5HFpcYDi28 (http://youtu.be/S5HFpcYDi28)
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Looks to be the standard (cast) hollows. Best trucks.
[close]

cheers
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I’ve tried to start the ‘what’s that setup’ thread many times. I’m thirsty. Knox is too sick. The hollow cast have no design shortcomings, imo. 
The folks I’m keen to figure out are Bobby Dekyzer’s setup, Will Marsh and E.T., and AVE (dill while we are it).
Any info much appreciated.
I have a photo of AVEs set up from an insta story. Looks like 149 hollow axle not sure about baseplate with 8.25
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on April 06, 2022, 04:53:53 PM
Ave is on 149 Cast Hollows with an 8.5 FA deck and 54 Conical Fulls. You can also see he cranks his rear down so 2-3 threads are showing and front so 2 threads are showing. Knox looks to be on dirty aftermarket yellers.

You can differentiate cast and hollow plates if you can see around the nut area as cast are clearly thicker. Also there are the casting lines and the space between the baseplate and pivot cup is thicker on cast too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 06, 2022, 04:58:35 PM
Quote from: Idk on April 06, 2022, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: Ok on April 06, 2022, 03:52:53 PM
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Quote from: art hellman on April 06, 2022, 02:57:02 PM
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Quote from: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 05, 2022, 11:26:27 AM
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Quote from: art hellman on April 05, 2022, 10:50:26 AM
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dear truck gurus,

is Tom Knox skating forged plates in this?  Or just hollow kingpins?  Cant tell


http://youtu.be/S5HFpcYDi28 (http://youtu.be/S5HFpcYDi28)
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Looks to be the standard (cast) hollows. Best trucks.
[close]

cheers
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I’ve tried to start the ‘what’s that setup’ thread many times. I’m thirsty. Knox is too sick. The hollow cast have no design shortcomings, imo. 
The folks I’m keen to figure out are Bobby Dekyzer’s setup, Will Marsh and E.T., and AVE (dill while we are it).
Any info much appreciated.
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I have a photo of AVEs set up from an insta story. Looks like 149 hollow axle not sure about baseplate with 8.25

Thanks!! AVE had a pretty wild setup in the early 2000s: 7.75, 5.0 lo’s, 53 ish looking wheels (trucks must have been hella tight). FA boards are wider than they are long, often. I thought this might have been in part because dill AVE are short, but also because they sized up. Overthinking it for sure. Blah blah

Thanks for the reply!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 06, 2022, 05:03:46 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on April 06, 2022, 04:53:53 PM
Ave is on 149 Cast Hollows with an 8.5 FA deck and 54 Conical Fulls. You can also see he cranks his rear down so 2-3 threads are showing and front so 2 threads are showing. Knox looks to be on dirty aftermarket yellers.

You can differentiate cast and hollow plates if you can see around the nut area as cast are clearly thicker. Also there are the casting lines and the space between the baseplate and pivot cup is thicker on cast too.

Thanks!
I’ll say it again: surprised about the 149s. AVE is not large. KB small too, and he looks like he’s on 149s (guessing) as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 06, 2022, 07:44:05 PM
Maybe they didn’t get the memo on the shoe size truck width…..guarantee they don’t know the shin/wheelbase co-relation…..I wonder how they ever succeeded…..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 06, 2022, 07:52:54 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 06, 2022, 07:44:05 PM
Maybe they didn’t get the memo on the shoe size truck width…..guarantee they don’t know the shin/wheelbase co-relation…..I wonder how they ever succeeded…..

Exactly
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 07, 2022, 06:51:29 AM
Quote from: Ok on April 06, 2022, 07:52:54 PM
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Exactly

It is because they figured out their pop angle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 07, 2022, 08:50:55 AM
Quote from: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 07, 2022, 06:51:29 AM
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Maybe they didn’t get the memo on the shoe size truck width…..guarantee they don’t know the shin/wheelbase co-relation…..I wonder how they ever succeeded…..
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Exactly
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It is because they figured out their pop angle.

Well also pro spec, prototypes, nano tubes, fingers of flat…
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jimgrude on April 09, 2022, 01:30:29 AM
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Take a gander at these puppies that just fell from the sky. I'll tell you all about them, but I'll let you nerds have a little talk amongst yourselves first.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 09, 2022, 07:59:35 AM
Quote from: jimgrude on April 09, 2022, 01:30:29 AM
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Take a gander at these puppies that just fell from the sky. I'll tell you all about them, but I'll let you nerds have a little talk amongst yourselves first.

Looks like stage 8 159s/169s with Krux pins. Pretty cool. I love stage 11 but I would be lying if I said the hanger and yoke didn't look so much better on the older stages.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on April 09, 2022, 08:15:55 AM
Quote from: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 09, 2022, 07:59:35 AM
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Looks like stage 8 159s/169s with Krux pins. Pretty cool. I love stage 11 but I would be lying if I said the hanger and yoke didn't look so much better on the older stages.

Man, I could not disagree more about the hangers. I think that stuff looks hideous. One of the big appeals to me of the (especially original) Ace truck was the svelte hanger, not that fat, globular mess.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 09, 2022, 08:36:09 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on April 09, 2022, 08:15:55 AM
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Looks like stage 8 159s/169s with Krux pins. Pretty cool. I love stage 11 but I would be lying if I said the hanger and yoke didn't look so much better on the older stages.
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Man, I could not disagree more about the hangers. I think that stuff looks hideous. One of the big appeals to me of the (especially original) Ace truck was the svelte hanger, not that fat, globular mess.

I like how the hangers on Aces look too. I just think stage 11s are just kind of mid looking. I prefer the extremes of the two.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: freidnly guy on April 10, 2022, 02:33:02 PM
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on April 10, 2022, 02:38:14 PM
Quote from: freidnly guy on April 10, 2022, 02:33:02 PM
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Lmao wtf? Is this that Zack Dowling guy?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on April 10, 2022, 02:47:24 PM
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Lmao wtf? Is this that Zack Dowling guy?

That person is obviously really good at skateboarding.
He needed a real challenge and put his trucks the wrong way on.


*Edit
Maybe we put our trucks the wrong way on ^^
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: funeral_tuxedo on April 10, 2022, 04:20:09 PM
Quote from: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 09, 2022, 07:59:35 AM
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Looks like stage 8 159s/169s with Krux pins. Pretty cool. I love stage 11 but I would be lying if I said the hanger and yoke didn't look so much better on the older stages.

I definitely prefer the v shaped look of stage 8 Indy hangers, but there is an elegance to the reduced hangers on the stage 11s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: boofactory on April 10, 2022, 05:32:53 PM
Looks like Zach’s skating a prototype street style truck from Aera. They make longboard trucks and he follows them on Instagram.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: braksabbath on April 10, 2022, 06:51:09 PM
Quote from: freidnly guy on April 10, 2022, 02:33:02 PM
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looks like style forward facing kingpin but with a bumper for nose/tail slides
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 10, 2022, 06:54:23 PM
Before we get all judgy….what does it do to the wheelbase?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 10, 2022, 07:29:17 PM
Quote from: braksabbath on April 10, 2022, 06:51:09 PM
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looks like style forward facing kingpin but with a bumper for nose/tail slides

Zero smith hangups I'd wager....probably breezy for disasters too
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on April 10, 2022, 07:41:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92I69UBVpF8
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on April 10, 2022, 08:07:13 PM
Quote from: Xen on April 10, 2022, 07:29:17 PM
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looks like style forward facing kingpin but with a bumper for nose/tail slides
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Zero smith hangups I'd wager....probably breezy for disasters too

But would you hang up on krooks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 10, 2022, 08:15:31 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on April 10, 2022, 08:07:13 PM
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looks like style forward facing kingpin but with a bumper for nose/tail slides
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Zero smith hangups I'd wager....probably breezy for disasters too
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But would you hang up on krooks?

Probably yeah, once you get the groove in place.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jimgrude on April 10, 2022, 09:58:45 PM
Quote from: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 09, 2022, 07:59:35 AM
Quote from: jimgrude on April 09, 2022, 01:30:29 AM
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Looks like stage 8 159s/169s with Krux pins. Pretty cool. I love stage 11 but I would be lying if I said the hanger and yoke didn't look so much better on the older stages.

Nice spot on the stage 8. I must have baby hands, 'cause they're actually just 149. Wouldn't you say that's probably the most sought after size these days for people who actually want to skate them?

I'd say it's pretty rare to find pre stage 9 Indy's over 8" in such good condition, so I'm pretty stoked on them. Btw, does anybody remember this hanger decal design?
2020s: "Let's get rid of the iron cross"
1990s: Let's put like ten fucking iron crosses on this bitch, sick dude!"

I got them really cheap from someone who probably didn't quite know what they were selling. From the grind marks, it looks like they were only used for mellow transition skating, probably just metal coping. The baseplates have just enough marks to confirm that they've been used, but the mounting holes and the base are mint, leaving me to think that they were only ever used on one setup, and have been sitting ever since.

I've always heard that it's impossible to fit inverted kingpins in stage 8s, and indeed, the previous owner took great care to drill out the kingpin hole in the baseplate so the nut sits super snug in there with no epoxy. Has anyone else tried this, and is it really just stage 8s that have this narrow baseplate hole?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on April 10, 2022, 10:07:16 PM
Quote from: boofactory on April 10, 2022, 05:32:53 PM
Looks like Zach’s skating a prototype street style truck from Aera. They make longboard trucks and he follows them on Instagram.

They're no Caliber IIIs
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thanksgiving on April 10, 2022, 10:23:17 PM
Quote from: freidnly guy on April 10, 2022, 02:33:02 PM
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this is a longboard truck geometry(reverse kingpin). the right angle between the pivot and bushing seat gives a truck a more consistent turn rather than "divey" like a skate truck is. also less stress on parts as the pivot and kingpin arent trying to move in opposite directions. i feel like it may put more stress on the kingpin though when landing, as the force is much more horizontal rather than going up into the baseplate and deck.

aera longboard trucks are like 300 bucks or something and made by the guy who helped create the formula g slides are made of
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 10, 2022, 10:45:27 PM
Would you describe it as a light or heavy pop?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 11, 2022, 07:45:56 AM
Quote from: jimgrude on April 10, 2022, 09:58:45 PM
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Take a gander at these puppies that just fell from the sky. I'll tell you all about them, but I'll let you nerds have a little talk amongst yourselves first.
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Looks like stage 8 159s/169s with Krux pins. Pretty cool. I love stage 11 but I would be lying if I said the hanger and yoke didn't look so much better on the older stages.
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Nice spot on the stage 8. I must have baby hands, 'cause they're actually just 149. Wouldn't you say that's probably the most sought after size these days for people who actually want to skate them?

I'd say it's pretty rare to find pre stage 9 Indy's over 8" in such good condition, so I'm pretty stoked on them. Btw, does anybody remember this hanger decal design?
2020s: "Let's get rid of the iron cross"
1990s: Let's put like ten fucking iron crosses on this bitch, sick dude!"

I got them really cheap from someone who probably didn't quite know what they were selling. From the grind marks, it looks like they were only used for mellow transition skating, probably just metal coping. The baseplates have just enough marks to confirm that they've been used, but the mounting holes and the base are mint, leaving me to think that they were only ever used on one setup, and have been sitting ever since.

I've always heard that it's impossible to fit inverted kingpins in stage 8s, and indeed, the previous owner took great care to drill out the kingpin hole in the baseplate so the nut sits super snug in there with no epoxy. Has anyone else tried this, and is it really just stage 8s that have this narrow baseplate hole?

Nice, that is a hell of a find, even better that they're 149s. Stage 7s can be done with no epoxy as well.

Assuming you skate them, let us know how they are.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on April 11, 2022, 07:52:13 AM
Do Ace Classic or AF1 have the most similar pop feel to Indy?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on April 11, 2022, 08:15:23 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on April 11, 2022, 07:52:13 AM
Do Ace Classic or AF1 have the most similar pop feel to Indy?

Possibly controversial opinion here: no.
I really wanted the indy pop, from ace, but that hasn’t been my experience (unless I ride the crail 8.25 x 14wb with huge wheels, I cannot get ace trucks to pop, and that usually isn’t my problem).
For me, indy pops much better.
Again, in my opinion, thunder cast 149s, are closer to an indy pop, than anything ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: braksabbath on April 11, 2022, 09:40:19 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on April 11, 2022, 07:52:13 AM
Do Ace Classic or AF1 have the most similar pop feel to Indy?
I put Ace 55 on a 1/8 riser on a cruiser board, so that brings it up to 55mm tall like Indy, similar but still some ghost pop since I don't ride it often and not used to it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 11, 2022, 06:49:37 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on April 11, 2022, 07:52:13 AM
Do Ace Classic or AF1 have the most similar pop feel to Indy?

AF1 are closer to Indy in everything like that, from what others have said and I have felt in the minimal skates on a board with Ace Classics and another board with AF1, compared to my usual Indy standards that is (also have boards with hollows and forged plates too which are closer in height).


Oddly enough, my first run back on my usual Indy setup felt sluggish to turn after being on a setup with super loose AF1 trucks for a session, but it doesn't take too long to adjust between any of them.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on April 11, 2022, 08:32:40 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on April 10, 2022, 10:07:16 PM
Quote from: boofactory on April 10, 2022, 05:32:53 PM
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Looks like Zach’s skating a prototype street style truck from Aera. They make longboard trucks and he follows them on Instagram.
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They're no Caliber IIIs

The smallest ones they make are 9”.
I wonder how’d they skate with that squared out shape.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mbam003 on April 12, 2022, 12:18:54 AM
Sorry if this has been discussed before (or discussed to death), but is there any information or measurements on the turn depth of Ace Classic vs Indy Standard (55mm) vs Indy Forged (53.5mm)? It's obvious Ace Classic respond the fastest out of these trucks and also the axles are inset over Indys 0.25" which should increase turn depth, but they're also lower, something like 52-53mm. Do Aces carve the deepest or just fastest?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mantracker on April 12, 2022, 01:17:56 PM
Quote from: mbam003 on April 12, 2022, 12:18:54 AM
Sorry if this has been discussed before (or discussed to death), but is there any information or measurements on the turn depth of Ace Classic vs Indy Standard (55mm) vs Indy Forged (53.5mm)? It's obvious Ace Classic respond the fastest out of these trucks and also the axles are inset over Indys 0.25" which should increase turn depth, but they're also lower, something like 52-53mm. Do Aces carve the deepest or just fastest?

While I have no measurements or data to suggest this, it seems the general consensus is that Ace turn the deepest/sharpest/quickest
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 12, 2022, 01:40:52 PM
Quote from: Mantracker on April 12, 2022, 01:17:56 PM
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Sorry if this has been discussed before (or discussed to death), but is there any information or measurements on the turn depth of Ace Classic vs Indy Standard (55mm) vs Indy Forged (53.5mm)? It's obvious Ace Classic respond the fastest out of these trucks and also the axles are inset over Indys 0.25" which should increase turn depth, but they're also lower, something like 52-53mm. Do Aces carve the deepest or just fastest?
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While I have no measurements or data to suggest this, it seems the general consensus is that Ace turn the deepest/sharpest/quickest
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 12, 2022, 01:56:19 PM
I’ll subscribe to the deepest, sharpest, but not necessarily the quickest.  I always think the top end is stable, it’s when you lean into the, they really go. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SaySo on April 29, 2022, 12:53:35 AM
Greetings and salutations, y'all.

I've been searching, to no avail, but perhaps one of the denizens of these forums could help me out.

What durometer are the Indy stock pivot cups?

I'm looking into swapping them out for some aftermarket ones but can't find any actual information other than "they are hard plastic," so it's difficult to gauge how much softer I should go.

Thanks in advance for any assistance you may be able to provide.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beatifk on April 29, 2022, 01:38:00 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 12, 2022, 01:56:19 PM
I’ll subscribe to the deepest, sharpest, but not necessarily the quickest.  I always think the top end is stable, it’s when you lean into the, they really go.

I agree with this. In fact, depending on your setup (as with any of these mathematical hypothetical assessments of skateboard products), I find Ace to be the slowest. Thunder is the quickest, then Indy, then Ace. I have no experience with Venture since the late 90s/early 00s so I can't assess those. I also haven't tried AF1's only classics.

However, Ace is the 'best' turn as it feels the most controlled to me, but there is certainly a delay at the very beginning of it. Thunder is super twitchy and sometimes I feel like Indy's are controlling my turn rather than me having 100% control. Maybe that sounds completely idiotic.

I ride my trucks just at the edge of wobbly, but with no wobble if that makes any difference... so I guess that's considered medium-loose? who knows?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thanksgiving on April 29, 2022, 01:56:24 AM
Quote from: SaySo on April 29, 2022, 12:53:35 AM
Greetings and salutations, y'all.

I've been searching, to no avail, but perhaps one of the denizens of these forums could help me out.

What durometer are the Indy stock pivot cups?

I'm looking into swapping them out for some aftermarket ones but can't find any actual information other than "they are hard plastic," so it's difficult to gauge how much softer I should go.

Thanks in advance for any assistance you may be able to provide.
based purely on feel after using 96 riptides they must be over 100. probably too hard for the A durometer scale...

most people thought the af1 pivots(96a) were very soft and mushy feeling to give you another point of reference.

also 96 riptides are the truth. dont look at anything else
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SaySo on April 29, 2022, 02:06:19 AM
Quote from: beatifk on April 29, 2022, 01:38:00 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 12, 2022, 01:56:19 PM
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I’ll subscribe to the deepest, sharpest, but not necessarily the quickest.  I always think the top end is stable, it’s when you lean into the, they really go.
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I agree with this. In fact, depending on your setup (as with any of these mathematical hypothetical assessments of skateboard products), I find Ace to be the slowest. Thunder is the quickest, then Indy, then Ace. I have no experience with Venture since the late 90s/early 00s so I can't assess those. I also haven't tried AF1's only classics.

However, Ace is the 'best' turn as it feels the most controlled to me, but there is certainly a delay at the very beginning of it. Thunder is super twitchy and sometimes I feel like Indy's are controlling my turn rather than me having 100% control. Maybe that sounds completely idiotic.

I ride my trucks just at the edge of wobbly, but with no wobble if that makes any difference... so I guess that's considered medium-loose? who knows?

I feel you. To me, it's as if Indy's turn into a groove/track of turn arc, if that makes any sense, whereas with Aces I'm in the driver's (pilot's  :P) seat.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SaySo on April 29, 2022, 07:09:42 AM
Quote from: thanksgiving on April 29, 2022, 01:56:24 AM
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Greetings and salutations, y'all.

I've been searching, to no avail, but perhaps one of the denizens of these forums could help me out.

What durometer are the Indy stock pivot cups?

I'm looking into swapping them out for some aftermarket ones but can't find any actual information other than "they are hard plastic," so it's difficult to gauge how much softer I should go.

Thanks in advance for any assistance you may be able to provide.
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based purely on feel after using 96 riptides they must be over 100. probably too hard for the A durometer scale...

most people thought the af1 pivots(96a) were very soft and mushy feeling to give you another point of reference.

also 96 riptides are the truth. dont look at anything else

Thanks! They probably are beyond the A durometer scale. They honestly don't even feel like urethane. Probably some flavor of thermoplastic.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on April 29, 2022, 08:38:24 AM
Quote from: SaySo on April 29, 2022, 07:09:42 AM
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Greetings and salutations, y'all.

I've been searching, to no avail, but perhaps one of the denizens of these forums could help me out.

What durometer are the Indy stock pivot cups?

I'm looking into swapping them out for some aftermarket ones but can't find any actual information other than "they are hard plastic," so it's difficult to gauge how much softer I should go.

Thanks in advance for any assistance you may be able to provide.
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based purely on feel after using 96 riptides they must be over 100. probably too hard for the A durometer scale...

most people thought the af1 pivots(96a) were very soft and mushy feeling to give you another point of reference.

also 96 riptides are the truth. dont look at anything else
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Thanks! They probably are beyond the A durometer scale. They honestly don't even feel like urethane. Probably some flavor of thermoplastic.

Yeah, I'm not plastics expert, but when Riptides came out, they pushed themselves as the first polyurethane pivot cup, so that would lead me to believe that the others are indeed some type of thermoplastic. Other than the new Ace, which is polyurethane according to people on here.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 29, 2022, 08:43:09 AM
Indy makes aftermarket which I’d assume is better than stock….I like the riptides as well…
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SaySo on April 29, 2022, 09:33:16 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 29, 2022, 08:43:09 AM
Indy makes aftermarket which I’d assume is better than stock….I like the riptides as well…
I was looking at those also today when at the shop. They appear to be the same as the stock Indy ones that came with my pair of Stage XI hollow forged. I think the aftermarket Indy's are just replacement for if/when people blow out their stock pivot cups.

Unfortunately my local doesn't stock Riptides. I'm giving a set of locally produced pivot cups called "Masame" a try.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 29, 2022, 12:06:39 PM
I'm holding out for some NFG cups; for now the new ACE cups work great (in my indys too).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on April 29, 2022, 01:42:45 PM
I saw the kooky RKP trucks that Zach Doelling was riding and skimmed a couple videos to see if he mentioned anything about them.  Didn't find that - but saw these.  Any ideas what they are?

In the comments he says "Always, lately. Also I’ve been putting videos up a bit out of order as well. In this video they were a secret truck I’m pretty sure. I’m on and have been on thunder for a while although I’m not fully satisfied."

4-5 years ago I did hear that SkateOne was working on a non MiniLogo truck. Given that he is on Powell, I wouldn't be surprised if this is a SkateOne truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 29, 2022, 01:59:45 PM
Torx 2.0 where’s MikeV?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on April 29, 2022, 02:18:02 PM
Quote from: Xen on April 29, 2022, 01:59:45 PM
Torx 2.0 where’s MikeV?

Lol. The chances of Tork coming back is pretty nill.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on April 29, 2022, 03:07:36 PM
Quote from: backinaction on April 29, 2022, 01:42:45 PM
I saw the kooky RKP trucks that Zach Doelling was riding and skimmed a couple videos to see if he mentioned anything about them.  Didn't find that - but saw these.  Any ideas what they are?

In the comments he says "Always, lately. Also I’ve been putting videos up a bit out of order as well. In this video they were a secret truck I’m pretty sure. I’m on and have been on thunder for a while although I’m not fully satisfied."

4-5 years ago I did hear that SkateOne was working on a non MiniLogo truck. Given that he is on Powell, I wouldn't be surprised if this is a SkateOne truck.

Haha I did exactly the same over the course of the last days. No idea how he manages to skate so many different trucks. But he also rips on old school shaped decks and whatever.
The trucks I saw in his last videos:
1. Whatever the one in your picture is
2. The longboard trucks
3. Mini logos
4. Thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 29, 2022, 03:20:01 PM
Quote from: SaySo on April 29, 2022, 09:33:16 AM
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Indy makes aftermarket which I’d assume is better than stock….I like the riptides as well…
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I was looking at those also today when at the shop. They appear to be the same as the stock Indy ones that came with my pair of Stage XI hollow forged. I think the aftermarket Indy's are just replacement for if/when people blow out their stock pivot cups.

Unfortunately my local doesn't stock Riptides. I'm giving a set of locally produced pivot cups called "Masame" a try.

Maybe order ‘em….most people seem to like them…
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SaySo on April 29, 2022, 11:21:22 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on April 29, 2022, 03:20:01 PM
Quote from: SaySo on April 29, 2022, 09:33:16 AM
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Quote from: j....soy..... on April 29, 2022, 08:43:09 AM
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Indy makes aftermarket which I’d assume is better than stock….I like the riptides as well…
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I was looking at those also today when at the shop. They appear to be the same as the stock Indy ones that came with my pair of Stage XI hollow forged. I think the aftermarket Indy's are just replacement for if/when people blow out their stock pivot cups.

Unfortunately my local doesn't stock Riptides. I'm giving a set of locally produced pivot cups called "Masame" a try.
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Maybe order ‘em….most people seem to like them…

Order the Riptides?

Might do at some point, definitely seem to be great from all accounts.

But for the moment I'm giving the locally sourced producers some love. Will chime back in after I've ridden them for a while.

Plus, $20 a pop sounds crazy when the rest of the market is at maybe $10 max? Can they be that much better? lol.

Nevertheless, thanks everyone for sharing your advice and experiences!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on April 30, 2022, 10:02:26 AM
I honestly disliked Riptides. They feel mushy and took away snap back to center on Indy’s. After fucking around I far prefer stock Indy’s to modded.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on April 30, 2022, 10:07:02 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on April 30, 2022, 10:02:26 AM
I honestly disliked Riptides. They feel mushy and took away snap back to center on Indy’s. After fucking around I far prefer stock Indy’s to modded.

I honestly couldn't tell the difference when I plopped them in a pair of Indys.  :(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on April 30, 2022, 10:58:59 AM
I mean it’s all nuances but I marked my kingpins and if anything they just felt kinda squishy turning, but yah it’s not huge. Just not worth it and I felt Slap overhyped them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thanksgiving on April 30, 2022, 08:30:05 PM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on April 30, 2022, 10:07:02 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on April 30, 2022, 10:02:26 AM
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I honestly disliked Riptides. They feel mushy and took away snap back to center on Indy’s. After fucking around I far prefer stock Indy’s to modded.
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I honestly couldn't tell the difference when I plopped them in a pair of Indys.  :(
blasphemy!!!!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on April 30, 2022, 09:07:05 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on April 30, 2022, 10:02:26 AM
I honestly disliked Riptides. They feel mushy and took away snap back to center on Indy’s. After fucking around I far prefer stock Indy’s to modded.

Yeah, this is my experience. The only difference I can notice is that my trucks now get stuck to one side or another.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jimgrude on May 01, 2022, 04:30:21 PM
Just as a warning, although people say RipTides are indestructible, I have broken three in less than a year. Ripped to shreds or simply broken in half. One was on Indy, the other two on Theeve.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: thanksgiving on May 02, 2022, 12:51:11 AM
Quote from: jimgrude on May 01, 2022, 04:30:21 PM
Just as a warning, although people say RipTides are indestructible, I have broken three in less than a year. Ripped to shreds or simply broken in half. One was on Indy, the other two on Theeve.
yeah, i tore mine doing slappies on 169s. im sure the added leverage of a wider truck does more damage to them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 02, 2022, 12:58:10 AM
Just to bat for Riptides side, I’ve had the same set in for 3 years without any major damage, there’s a small split in the front one but it hasn’t worked it’s way through the whole
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 02, 2022, 11:13:33 AM
One of the biggest knocks on riptides is it’s forced me into going to the local longboard shop……
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 02, 2022, 12:10:06 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 02, 2022, 11:13:33 AM
One of the biggest knocks on riptides is it’s forced me into going to the local longboard shop……

I hope you wore a disguise.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 02, 2022, 12:42:23 PM
They put them in a brown paper bag…..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on May 02, 2022, 02:38:53 PM
Truck selection is a zero sum game at best.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: notinternetfamous on May 02, 2022, 02:44:32 PM
Quote from: Paco Supreme on May 02, 2022, 12:58:10 AM
Just to bat for Riptides side, I’ve had the same set in for 3 years without any major damage, there’s a small split in the front one but it hasn’t worked it’s way through the whole
same, but mine are 2 years old. i have two sets, got them in my ventures and thunders. i got a small split in the ventures front truck from slappy crooks, i was lowkey stressing but it hasn't affected performance yet (from what I can tell).

i think they're worth it and would recommend, but it's not necessarily a must buy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: big_kev_215 on May 04, 2022, 03:35:37 PM
Anyone roll with the stock Indy bushings lately?  Good? Bad? No real difference?

I bought Indy replacement bushings for my current set of trucks and they’ve served me well but ended getting shredded up anyway from destroying the trucks on curbs and ledges for months on end.  Curious if anyone got a full six months or more out of the stock ones.  I don’t really feel like paying for shipping for another set of the replacement ones. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on May 04, 2022, 03:43:51 PM
Quote from: big_kev_215 on May 04, 2022, 03:35:37 PM
Anyone roll with the stock Indy bushings lately?  Good? Bad? No real difference?

I bought Indy replacement bushings for my current set of trucks and they’ve served me well but ended getting shredded up anyway from destroying the trucks on curbs and ledges for months on end.  Curious if anyone got a full six months or more out of the stock ones.  I don’t really feel like paying for shipping for another set of the replacement ones.

I’ve currently got some replacement bushings in, they are the regular orange color…so hard tho. Tripping me out. I took a good 3-4 year indy break, these were in the parts bin, slapped em in. Feel weird.

That being said, the stock bushings that come with the trucks have been well sorted out, for awhile, in my opinion. I’ve genuinely enjoyed mine. Durable too. For what it’s worth, I don’t really fuck up bushings that much. My two most used truck brands are venture and thunder, and both have crumbly bushings. Mine break and don’t really bother me.
 Stock indy bushings feel higher quality than those.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on May 04, 2022, 04:08:45 PM
Quote from: big_kev_215 on May 04, 2022, 03:35:37 PM
Anyone roll with the stock Indy bushings lately?  Good? Bad? No real difference?

I bought Indy replacement bushings for my current set of trucks and they’ve served me well but ended getting shredded up anyway from destroying the trucks on curbs and ledges for months on end.  Curious if anyone got a full six months or more out of the stock ones.  I don’t really feel like paying for shipping for another set of the replacement ones.

I went on a bushing odyssey and ended up back on stock indy's. I feel like I tried everything and at the end of the day, the stock oranges once broken in just feel the best. The conical Blue medium hard indy aftermarkets would be a close second.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on May 04, 2022, 04:24:19 PM
Quote from: BartHarleyJarvis on May 04, 2022, 04:08:45 PM
Quote from: big_kev_215 on May 04, 2022, 03:35:37 PM
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Anyone roll with the stock Indy bushings lately?  Good? Bad? No real difference?

I bought Indy replacement bushings for my current set of trucks and they’ve served me well but ended getting shredded up anyway from destroying the trucks on curbs and ledges for months on end.  Curious if anyone got a full six months or more out of the stock ones.  I don’t really feel like paying for shipping for another set of the replacement ones.
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I went on a bushing odyssey and ended up back on stock indy's. I feel like I tried everything and at the end of the day, the stock oranges once broken in just feel the best.

For the most part, same. I did end up putting some old Ace bushings on a pair of 149s I got at a thrift store, which already had Bones hards on them, and this worked well. But yeah, I fucked around with bushings for a year before eventually coming back around to skate bone-stock 144s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: intendedreceivers on May 04, 2022, 06:01:28 PM
Quote from: big_kev_215 on May 04, 2022, 03:35:37 PM
Anyone roll with the stock Indy bushings lately?  Good? Bad? No real difference?

I bought Indy replacement bushings for my current set of trucks and they’ve served me well but ended getting shredded up anyway from destroying the trucks on curbs and ledges for months on end.  Curious if anyone got a full six months or more out of the stock ones.  I don’t really feel like paying for shipping for another set of the replacement ones.

They’ve been feeling great for at least the past six months. Soft, bouncy, durable. I put some in my Venture HIs and they feel so much better than the stock ones. Makes them turn quick, more like a Thunder.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: big_kev_215 on May 04, 2022, 08:01:40 PM
Sounds like a lot of love for the stock Indy bushings.  Thanks everyone
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrankRizzo on May 04, 2022, 09:41:35 PM
I messed with bushings for Ace AF1 66's for about six months and eventually ended back riding stock.

The combo I settled on for the longest time was Riptide 80a barrel with stock cone upfront and 90a barrel with bones medium cone in rear, flat washers on top both front and back.

Becoming more accustomed to riding loose I chucked the stock bushings in again and realized I should have just stuck with them.

I do run a flat washer roadside in the front truck and a filed down roadside cup washer in the rear (thinner height w/outside edges reduced so as to avoid biting into hanger).

Lately I've been skating switch more often so it is possible I'll even out truck tightness from front to back as the next step.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on May 05, 2022, 12:17:15 PM
I remembered why my new trucks and bushings don't feel as good as my old ones and I am finally happy now with them Indy 144 tits.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Bbzh77Vg/20220505-194230-2.jpg)

Indy aftermarket 92a barrel bushings. Cut the top bushing down like 0.3" and made the kingpin shorter with a angle grinder.
I hope ya all understand my english and what I mean.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 05, 2022, 07:18:45 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on May 05, 2022, 12:17:15 PM
I remembered why my new trucks and bushings don't feel as good as my old ones and I am finally happy now with them Indy 144 tits.

Indy aftermarket 92a barrel bushings. Cut the top bushing down like 0.3" and made the kingpin shorter with a angle grinder.
I hope ya all understand my english and what I mean.


Looks good!

That is exactly what I do with a lot of my setups and also for other people who want something similar, or if the truck is down to axle, it works really well to avoid kingpin issues.

I found any of those aftermarket Indy bushings were good (but especially for me the 92 duro sets), once set up do not break or have problems, so after getting things where I want them, I can take the kinpin down a bit and skate them like that until they are done.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: iw0 on May 06, 2022, 06:36:36 PM
NFG bushings are live on their site, pivot cups too -

https://www.nfgmfg.com/shop
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheLowerBack on May 06, 2022, 08:59:13 PM
Quote from: iw0 on May 06, 2022, 06:36:36 PM
NFG bushings are live on their site, pivot cups too -

https://www.nfgmfg.com/shop
V tempting
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 06, 2022, 09:33:45 PM
Quote from: TheLowerBack on May 06, 2022, 08:59:13 PM
Quote from: iw0 on May 06, 2022, 06:36:36 PM
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NFG bushings are live on their site, pivot cups too -

https://www.nfgmfg.com/shop
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V tempting


Assuming those 14.5 Conicals are thunder height? Shame they don't list recommended trucks for each size. Mostly 95a with only two bottom 90a options.

Five [presumably] top heights...oh the OCD :P

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on May 07, 2022, 01:12:27 AM
those nfg low tops should pair well with my supercush 94a
also gonna snag the pivot cups, $10 cheaper than riptides
will post my findings once i set them up
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 07, 2022, 04:47:11 AM
Quote from: Xen on May 06, 2022, 09:33:45 PM
Quote from: TheLowerBack on May 06, 2022, 08:59:13 PM
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Quote from: iw0 on May 06, 2022, 06:36:36 PM
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NFG bushings are live on their site, pivot cups too -

https://www.nfgmfg.com/shop
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V tempting

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Assuming those 14.5 Conicals are thunder height? Shame they don't list recommended trucks for each size. Mostly 95a with only two bottom 90a options.

Five [presumably] top heights...oh the OCD :P


I wonder how many people will buy a set of each just to try them all and figure out which ones work best for them.

Looks like that alone could be a game changer and I don't think I ever really say that about anything.

Given how much I like to modify and mess with things, having a product that is exactly what you need in the size, shape, duro and all the rest is great.  Now just to work out exactly what I need is the thing...

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on May 07, 2022, 08:23:46 AM
Maybe I missed something, but I’m a bit confused how you could just list “pivot cups” for sale and leave it at that. That’s like selling a pair of pants and just saying “pants for sale, blue”. Gonna need some more specific information there.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on May 07, 2022, 08:42:10 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on May 07, 2022, 08:23:46 AM
Maybe I missed something, but I’m a bit confused how you could just list “pivot cups” for sale and leave it at that. That’s like selling a pair of pants and just saying “pants for sale, blue”. Gonna need some more specific information there.

Exactly. But are we ready to think about different duros of pivot cups? I don't even know what duro the standard indy cups are for example.

But all these things from NFG are looking good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on May 07, 2022, 08:49:59 AM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on May 07, 2022, 08:42:10 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on May 07, 2022, 08:23:46 AM
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Maybe I missed something, but I’m a bit confused how you could just list “pivot cups” for sale and leave it at that. That’s like selling a pair of pants and just saying “pants for sale, blue”. Gonna need some more specific information there.
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Exactly. But are we ready to think about different duros of pivot cups? I don't even know what duro the standard indy cups are for example.

But all these things from NFG are looking good.

The price is low enough that I figure a lot of people here would buy them just to mess with, but not if they don’t tell me which trucks they fit. I *assume* Indy (probably a safe bet), but …?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Easy Slider on May 07, 2022, 08:56:06 AM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on May 05, 2022, 12:17:15 PM
I remembered why my new trucks and bushings don't feel as good as my old ones and I am finally happy now with them Indy 144 tits.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Bbzh77Vg/20220505-194230-2.jpg)

Indy aftermarket 92a barrel bushings. Cut the top bushing down like 0.3" and made the kingpin shorter with a angle grinder.
I hope ya all understand my english and what I mean.

That's super cool. I'd love to get some additional kingpin clearance but I don't have an angle grinder and even if I had one I wouldn't know how to use it.  >:(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on May 07, 2022, 09:34:30 AM
Quote from: Easy Slider on May 07, 2022, 08:56:06 AM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on May 05, 2022, 12:17:15 PM
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I remembered why my new trucks and bushings don't feel as good as my old ones and I am finally happy now with them Indy 144 tits.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Bbzh77Vg/20220505-194230-2.jpg)

Indy aftermarket 92a barrel bushings. Cut the top bushing down like 0.3" and made the kingpin shorter with a angle grinder.
I hope ya all understand my english and what I mean.
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That's super cool. I'd love to get some additional kingpin clearance but I don't have an angle grinder and even if I had one I wouldn't know how to use it.  >:(

They're extremely easy to use and pay for themselves. Place your foot on the center of the board, engage your safety squints and let 'er rip.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: unregisteredhypercam2 on May 07, 2022, 11:20:38 PM
What is your general preference with truck width in terms of how you like to perform grinds. I went from Indy 149 to Ace 77s and the obvious huge difference in the way grinds can be performed because of the difference widths has kind of created a new madness.
I like the ability to almost shift around on top of a ledge with a larger truck but at the same time it is almost too much space in times where they can fit on top of a curb like it is a square flatbar which i dont really enjoy to be honest.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on May 08, 2022, 02:01:27 AM
Quote from: unregisteredhypercam2 on May 07, 2022, 11:20:38 PM
What is your general preference with truck width in terms of how you like to perform grinds. I went from Indy 149 to Ace 77s and the obvious huge difference in the way grinds can be performed because of the difference widths has kind of created a new madness.
I like the ability to almost shift around on top of a ledge with a larger truck but at the same time it is almost too much space in times where they can fit on top of a curb like it is a square flatbar which i dont really enjoy to be honest.

I think that is a really personal preference for truck width and a lot of factors matter. I was on 8" trucks for 15 years and now I am on 8.25" trucks and really notice that 5mm difference when I do lip tricks on quarters for example.

I also have some 8.75" trucks on my lazy day setup and although the bigger grind clearance is awesome, it still feels different and sometimes weird for me.

But I think Indy 149s are a good middle ground if you get used to them. Ace 77s are really huge, but must be nice for slappy tricks I think.

I don't know if that answered your question but yeah.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 08, 2022, 04:14:37 AM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on May 07, 2022, 09:34:30 AM
Quote from: Easy Slider on May 07, 2022, 08:56:06 AM
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Quote from: fs1/2cab on May 05, 2022, 12:17:15 PM
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I remembered why my new trucks and bushings don't feel as good as my old ones and I am finally happy now with them Indy 144 tits.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Bbzh77Vg/20220505-194230-2.jpg)

Indy aftermarket 92a barrel bushings. Cut the top bushing down like 0.3" and made the kingpin shorter with a angle grinder.
I hope ya all understand my english and what I mean.
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That's super cool. I'd love to get some additional kingpin clearance but I don't have an angle grinder and even if I had one I wouldn't know how to use it.  >:(
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They're extremely easy to use and pay for themselves. Place your foot on the center of the board, engage your safety squints and let 'er rip.  :)


Ha yeah they do make things pretty easy, with the couple of different grinders I have.

One thing I have noticed is people cooking their bushings by pressing too hard and too long on the kingpins - just do a little at a time and don't go too hard.  Once the bushings start to bubble, it is too late.

I will often use the main (right) hand to hold the handle and trigger down but use my left with thumb on the grinder guard and fingers on the hanger or edge of the deck, just to steady it.  Works the same way when I do the angle grinding on wheels too.  Just keep the fingers out of the way of the moving parts and it is all good.  Testing it out on old parts is a good way to get used to doing things first though.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on May 08, 2022, 06:33:59 AM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on May 08, 2022, 02:01:27 AM
Quote from: unregisteredhypercam2 on May 07, 2022, 11:20:38 PM
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What is your general preference with truck width in terms of how you like to perform grinds. I went from Indy 149 to Ace 77s and the obvious huge difference in the way grinds can be performed because of the difference widths has kind of created a new madness.
I like the ability to almost shift around on top of a ledge with a larger truck but at the same time it is almost too much space in times where they can fit on top of a curb like it is a square flatbar which i dont really enjoy to be honest.
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I think that is a really personal preference for truck width and a lot of factors matter. I was on 8" trucks for 15 years and now I am on 8.25" trucks and really notice that 5mm difference when I do lip tricks on quarters for example.

I also have some 8.75" trucks on my lazy day setup and although the bigger grind clearance is awesome, it still feels different and sometimes weird for me.

But I think Indy 149s are a good middle ground if you get used to them. Ace 77s are really huge, but must be nice for slappy tricks I think.

I don't know if that answered your question but yeah.

Yeah, 1/4 inch doesn't seem like much, but I've been on 149s for a really long time and tried 144s at some point, tought it would be perfect since I mostly ride 8.25 and 8.38 decks with the occasional 8.5, but I ended up going back to 149s pretty quickly. There might have been other variables too, I usually ride 149 standards and when I tried 144s I got the forged titanium version, thought it would make me a tech god but I skated like crap and ended up splitting my shin open on the corner of a ledge attempting a fs crook. First thing I got was stitches, second thing was a set of 149s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on May 08, 2022, 06:48:37 AM
I watched some Brazilian dude on a 7.5" with Indy 129s absolutely wreck the ledges at my local park, which should lead anyone to the obvious conclusion that you'll actually just get used to anything if you put your time in skating it. That said, I think 144 with slim wheels is the narrowest I am comfortable going wrt ledge and slappy tricks. I definitely appreciate the added real estate, especially in my advanced age, when my reaction time is just so much slower.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 08, 2022, 07:23:59 AM
That’s just a Brazilian…..good….pinner set up….there is nothing more to it…
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 08, 2022, 10:50:22 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on May 07, 2022, 08:49:59 AM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on May 07, 2022, 08:42:10 AM
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Maybe I missed something, but I’m a bit confused how you could just list “pivot cups” for sale and leave it at that. That’s like selling a pair of pants and just saying “pants for sale, blue”. Gonna need some more specific information there.
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Exactly. But are we ready to think about different duros of pivot cups? I don't even know what duro the standard indy cups are for example.

But all these things from NFG are looking good.
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The price is low enough that I figure a lot of people here would buy them just to mess with, but not if they don’t tell me which trucks they fit. I *assume* Indy (probably a safe bet), but …?

Well, I'm usually that kind of person, but I'm not dropping $50+ to end up with bushings I won't ever use (now granted, I know I'd never need the ACE top they're selling).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 08, 2022, 07:13:29 PM
Quote from: Xen on May 08, 2022, 10:50:22 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on May 07, 2022, 08:49:59 AM
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Quote from: fs1/2cab on May 07, 2022, 08:42:10 AM
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Quote from: manysnakes on May 07, 2022, 08:23:46 AM
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Maybe I missed something, but I’m a bit confused how you could just list “pivot cups” for sale and leave it at that. That’s like selling a pair of pants and just saying “pants for sale, blue”. Gonna need some more specific information there.
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Exactly. But are we ready to think about different duros of pivot cups? I don't even know what duro the standard indy cups are for example.

But all these things from NFG are looking good.
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The price is low enough that I figure a lot of people here would buy them just to mess with, but not if they don’t tell me which trucks they fit. I *assume* Indy (probably a safe bet), but …?
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Well, I'm usually that kind of person, but I'm not dropping $50+ to end up with bushings I won't ever use (now granted, I know I'd never need the ACE top they're selling).


I feel like you (or anyone that is) could measure the existing bushings you are skating and compare them to what they would have been new and go from there.  Some bushings are almost still untouched looking from considerable periods of use, but others are so squashed down from use it is no wonder some people have such a hard time adjusting to new bushings when their old ones are so compressed or different in shape and feel to newer ones.

Somewhere way back in a thread there was all the various heights of bushings (when new) of all the brands, so if used as a reference, it shouldn't be too hard to work out what would be best for any given setup.


The softer ones will compress down more than the harder ones, but even then I have still cut down the Indy super soft to get the right mix of height and feel for some people, so that side of things is definitely a personal preference for exactly what works best.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on May 08, 2022, 08:52:46 PM
I feel that you provide an exceptional level of service. I rarely encounter shop employees that even know all the brands they have in stock and would likely have their brain burst into flames if someone asked for their opinions on the combination of bushing durometer and custom height.

This is a complement btw.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 08, 2022, 09:26:51 PM

Ha yeah but I don't think many shop employees have anywhere near as much experience and the desire to understand as much either.

Even when I was working for a big retail chain, the level of knowledge of the people who worked in the "skate section" was so minimal it was frustrating to the point where, looking back to that almost twenty years ago, when I knew so little compared to now, I was still almost a professor level of knowledge, but didn't try to bullshit my way through it the way I have seen many people do over the years, as was more often the case back then from others I worked with or saw when I went into other skate shops.  The number of times I had to fix issues created by others, even a guy who was "pro" who knew what he liked but still couldn't sort out someone else with the right product was mind blowing, to say the least.

I am far from the "be all, know all" type even now, but at least by giving people the options and right information, it went a long way to helping them get what they needed, even if I didn't make a sale, which unfortunately can be the biggest deal breaker for a shop.  The old "...just helping people doesn't pay the bills", so I heard one other non skate manager type of guy saying to another employee more than once.


Thankfully I don't need to get into the competitive sales environments like that place any more and can do what I like and help anyone who has any questions nowdays, maybe more so on here than in face to face interactions since the pandemic closed the main shop I was working in at the time in 2020, which is fine for me too.

I guess more than anything, so many people I know who did work in skate shops got burnt out or just started hating life and hating skateboarding as a result, so I really never wanted it to take over that much, or be cause for anxiety or issues the way it did for some people.

Only dealing with normal skateboards (and not scooters, bmx, or whatever other weird things, including variants on longboards) definitely help with that too.  If I don't know anything about it, I just say that and that is usually the end of the conversation right there.

If you are not interested in something, there is no need to educate yourself in all the details of it, if you never intend to use that information anyway.



To bring it back to truck setups though, this is the most intricate and detailed part of any skateboard product with so many variables, so it really does help to get everything just right when it comes to your own truck setups, when compared to other options with decks and grip, wheels and bearings, or any other shoes and gear.

Different brands of truck are one thing, but different brands of bushings, with shape, heights and durometer all having such significant effects on the ride, is it any wonder that the "madness" can be so much with truck setups?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 09, 2022, 02:15:12 AM

I just found and reposted the Bushings info here from the Bushings thread, but I think quite a few people might be looking for the same info in the truck setups thread, so if needed I can post the whole list here as well:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=112631.msg3791171#msg3791171


This was mainly in response to the many options in bushings now from NFG Mfg.




https://www.nfgmfg.com/shop


They have these:

Top conical (5 options)
95a  in 8mm, 9.5mm, 10mm, 10.3mm and 11mm

Bottom (5 options)
90a and 95a barrel 13mm
90a and 95a half conical 14mm and 14.5mm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on May 09, 2022, 05:26:00 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on May 08, 2022, 09:26:51 PM
I guess more than anything, so many people I know who did work in skate shops got burnt out or just started hating life and hating skateboarding as a result, so I really never wanted it to take over that much, or be cause for anxiety or issues the way it did for some people.

Working retail is an absolute nightmare. No better way to get burned out on your hobby than to try and turn it into some kind of incredibly low wage profession.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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Maybe I missed something, but I’m a bit confused how you could just list “pivot cups” for sale and leave it at that. That’s like selling a pair of pants and just saying “pants for sale, blue”. Gonna need some more specific information there.
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Exactly. But are we ready to think about different duros of pivot cups? I don't even know what duro the standard indy cups are for example.

But all these things from NFG are looking good.
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The price is low enough that I figure a lot of people here would buy them just to mess with, but not if they don’t tell me which trucks they fit. I *assume* Indy (probably a safe bet), but …?
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Well, I'm usually that kind of person, but I'm not dropping $50+ to end up with bushings I won't ever use (now granted, I know I'd never need the ACE top they're selling).
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I feel like you (or anyone that is) could measure the existing bushings you are skating and compare them to what they would have been new and go from there.  Some bushings are almost still untouched looking from considerable periods of use, but others are so squashed down from use it is no wonder some people have such a hard time adjusting to new bushings when their old ones are so compressed or different in shape and feel to newer ones.

Somewhere way back in a thread there was all the various heights of bushings (when new) of all the brands, so if used as a reference, it shouldn't be too hard to work out what would be best for any given setup.


The softer ones will compress down more than the harder ones, but even then I have still cut down the Indy super soft to get the right mix of height and feel for some people, so that side of things is definitely a personal preference for exactly what works best.

fwiw, i just went and looked at the venture loose bushing kit since it had the measurements of both normal and the loose top to figure out which one i needed lol. could pretty easily figure out what the others were from there.
i just go with the fact that if i'm at the point of both knowing nfg and considering non-stock bushings, i deserve having to do the little extra work.
i'm assuming they'll get relevant info on the page, i was told they were originally going to be posted this week and not last friday so seems like they're just getting them out there for people who know/want them. hell they don't even have a section for the pivot cups or bushings yet in the menus, so HOPEFULLY they get a chart on there
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SaySo on May 09, 2022, 11:57:05 PM
So, sow, sew, after roughly 5 sessions on the Masame pivot cups, back to report.

I'm using the 98A "hard" pivot cups in my 139 Indy Hollow Forged with 88A red bushings. The pivot cups fit flush with the baseplate.

Initially they felt a bit rough/hard, but after a few minutes into my first session, they got seated and felt good. I chalked that up to the "honeymoon/confirmation bias" of new gear.

I waited until I got a few more hours on them before I checked back in here.

For the past couple of years I've been riding Ace Classics but had this set of forged hollows on ice. For shits and giggles (or to tempt a flare-up of gear madness) I decided to set them up. Obviously, the turn was way different, and it felt like my board was fighting against me/wouldn't return to center and I was getting a lot more feedback from the road. I didn't want to use shock pads, but was worried I might have to.

Based upon advice of my homie at the local shop and Pal GISM (sorry, can't seem to @ people here), I gave the Masames a try.

With the softer duro (Actual Indy pivot cup duro seems to be an enigma here on the forums, but the overall consensus is that they are off the A-Duro chart, maybe a thermoplastic rather than urethane), the Masames have eliminated my need for shock pads (softer ride), have also made the turn of the trucks feel like I'm more in control, and the trucks turn much more smoothly. They also seem to return to center better.

So, TL;DR, they're worth a shot if you're in Japan/have access to them. They come in four duros: 98A (hard), 95A (medium), 90A (soft), and 80A (extra soft). Color coded: all are blue; darker shade = harder. They cost 880, tax included.

There's more info (in Japanese) here: https://masameskate.stores.jp (https://masameskate.stores.jp)

If you have to get them shipped overseas, honestly probably not worth it, but letter shipping from Japan can be reasonable.

As far as I know, they've only been tested/designed for Indy's and Thunders (seemingly the bulk of trucks ridden in Japan). I don't know the measurements/height/depth.

Let me know if you have any questions!

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 10, 2022, 05:00:49 AM
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Exactly. But are we ready to think about different duros of pivot cups? I don't even know what duro the standard indy cups are for example.

But all these things from NFG are looking good.
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The price is low enough that I figure a lot of people here would buy them just to mess with, but not if they don’t tell me which trucks they fit. I *assume* Indy (probably a safe bet), but …?
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fwiw, i just went and looked at the venture loose bushing kit since it had the measurements of both normal and the loose top to figure out which one i needed lol. could pretty easily figure out what the others were from there.
i just go with the fact that if i'm at the point of both knowing nfg and considering non-stock bushings, i deserve having to do the little extra work.
i'm assuming they'll get relevant info on the page, i was told they were originally going to be posted this week and not last friday so seems like they're just getting them out there for people who know/want them. hell they don't even have a section for the pivot cups or bushings yet in the menus, so HOPEFULLY they get a chart on there


No doubt they will get more info up.

At least I found where the bushing info was too, so reposted that.


On an other interesting note with bushings in harder varieties, I thought Thunder black (100) bushings would be way too hard, but when I put a well worn in set on a spare setup with the nut barely on, they actually felt really good and held balance a whole lot better than softer or stock bushings in the 90 range.  If I did the usual thing of cutting them down, I could very easily skate them as my normal bushings with the kingpin nut flush, given I skate medium bushings with a fair bit of give anyway.

So that brings me to the NFG MFG bushings.  I believe the 95 duro bushings in the low tops would still give a really good performance with the kingpin nut about flush with either bottom bushing depending on your truck of choice, being more on the loose side but also being very stable and holding the heavy leans just a little more, preventing wheelbite that would usually occur on softer bushings.

Just a theory anyway, but I could still get a whole lot of turn out of harder bushings that weren't done up half as tight, about the same response really when compared to softer bushings that were down a few extra turns.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on May 10, 2022, 07:01:11 AM
That makes sense to me as when bushings are cranked there is stored resistance from the compression. Less cranked and there is less resistance cuz the bushing isn't already compressed to its near limits.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: braksabbath on May 10, 2022, 08:43:13 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/fxkLdgg/6256-ED2-B-0-F2-B-4-CC3-B5-AE-E3-B340364-A7-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fxkLdgg)(https://i.ibb.co/vQz4YFg/2-C7482-BD-238-E-42-B4-91-C2-9748295-CDCE9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vQz4YFg)
Made a jig and the kingpin pressed out without any effort on a forged baseplate. Compared to the last time of endless hammering and mushrooming the threads and then needing to cut it out with a hacksaw
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 11, 2022, 07:31:26 AM
Quote from: braksabbath on May 10, 2022, 08:43:13 PM

Made a jig and the kingpin pressed out without any effort on a forged baseplate. Compared to the last time of endless hammering and mushrooming the threads and then needing to cut it out with a hacksaw


That is an A+ for effort and success right there!

Do you wind it down or just pull a lever?

Manual or automatic?

Too curious for my own good, but it is interesting, that's for sure.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: braksabbath on May 11, 2022, 09:43:56 AM
It’s a manual 1-ton press. Put it on the floor, wind it down in place on the kingpin, have the nut on for a wider surface, put body weight into it, feel the gratifying pop and release. No heating/cold/lube/hammering necessary. For the jig I used an angle finder for the kingpin angle (~75 degrees), miter saw, impact, hole bit for the bolt.

https://www.harborfreight.com/1-ton-arbor-press-3552.html
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on May 11, 2022, 10:11:37 AM
Quote from: braksabbath on May 10, 2022, 08:43:13 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/fxkLdgg/6256-ED2-B-0-F2-B-4-CC3-B5-AE-E3-B340364-A7-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fxkLdgg)(https://i.ibb.co/vQz4YFg/2-C7482-BD-238-E-42-B4-91-C2-9748295-CDCE9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vQz4YFg)
Made a jig and the kingpin pressed out without any effort on a forged baseplate. Compared to the last time of endless hammering and mushrooming the threads and then needing to cut it out with a hacksaw

Lol nice. I did the same thing - cut a hole in a block of wood, and I have an old 3 ton arbor press that I used to get mine out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on May 23, 2022, 08:53:22 AM
Went back to my Thunder teams after skating Indys standards for awhile. My switch tricks just work so much better on Thunders, so I was thinking... Maybe I should get some Indy forged, or mids, so I get a lower height and quicker pop.
What you guys think? Its tough to go away from indys smooth grinding, and ofc that baseplate slide!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on May 23, 2022, 10:00:46 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on May 23, 2022, 08:53:22 AM
Went back to my Thunder teams after skating Indys standards for awhile. My switch tricks just work so much better on Thunders, so I was thinking... Maybe I should get some Indy forged, or mids, so I get a lower height and quicker pop.
What you guys think? Its tough to go away from indys smooth grinding, and ofc that baseplate slide!

Follow your dreams but I do promise the baseplate doesn't matter after believing so for a very long time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 23, 2022, 10:40:33 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on May 23, 2022, 08:53:22 AM
Went back to my Thunder teams after skating Indys standards for awhile. My switch tricks just work so much better on Thunders, so I was thinking... Maybe I should get some Indy forged, or mids, so I get a lower height and quicker pop.
What you guys think? Its tough to go away from indys smooth grinding, and ofc that baseplate slide!

Only 1.5mm diff between the forged and standards, bigger difference in weight.

If you are trying to target Thunder height, you should look to Indy mids: standards=52mm or go Forged Mids for a lower truck = 50.5mm; both will still still heavier than Thunders.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on May 23, 2022, 10:55:46 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on May 23, 2022, 08:53:22 AM
Went back to my Thunder teams after skating Indys standards for awhile. My switch tricks just work so much better on Thunders, so I was thinking... Maybe I should get some Indy forged, or mids, so I get a lower height and quicker pop.
What you guys think? Its tough to go away from indys smooth grinding, and ofc that baseplate slide!

As someone who just switched from indy titanium 144s to thunder team hollow 148s, i can tell you my switch tricks deff work better on the thunders. the shorter WB on indys give you a lighter popfeel, but its more vague and less snappy than a thunder. they also turn better, so by nature they're less stable, which makes it a little harder to setup for flip tricks, especially when going fast compared to thunders.

The baseplate issue with the thunders is manageable for me. My fs noseslides have suffered the most since the switch. but im adapting, and they're getting better.

Long story short, if what you're worried about is flip tricks, i would stay on the thunders personally.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on May 23, 2022, 11:15:32 AM
I'm riding Indy 144 standard hangers on forged hollow baseplates with bones hard bushings. I was on venture for a while but I think I have to just accept the fact that I'm an Indy guy. I just have more fun with my skating on them and they are more visually appealing to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on May 23, 2022, 11:36:31 AM
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Went back to my Thunder teams after skating Indys standards for awhile. My switch tricks just work so much better on Thunders, so I was thinking... Maybe I should get some Indy forged, or mids, so I get a lower height and quicker pop.
What you guys think? Its tough to go away from indys smooth grinding, and ofc that baseplate slide!
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As someone who just switched from indy titanium 144s to thunder team hollow 148s, i can tell you my switch tricks deff work better on the thunders. the shorter WB on indys give you a lighter popfeel, but its more vague and less snappy than a thunder. they also turn better, so by nature they're less stable, which makes it a little harder to setup for flip tricks, especially when going fast compared to thunders.

The baseplate issue with the thunders is manageable for me. My fs noseslides have suffered the most since the switch. but im adapting, and they're getting better.

Long story short, if what you're worried about is flip tricks, i would stay on the thunders personally.

A lighter and lower indy should provide more snap tho? I was thinking about trying some indy titaniums too, bcuz they weight nearly the same as my Thunders, and are 1,5mm lower then indy std
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on May 23, 2022, 12:04:54 PM
I've had all of these and currently ride Indy Standards. I have liked all of them, but the mid is the most comparable to Thunders overall. Honestly the weight difference isn't noticeable to me. The kingpin bolt is quite heavy and kept coming loose on my so I switched. I'd say my preference in trucks is Indy Standard Hollow -> Indy Forged Hollow/Thunder Teams ->Indy Mid Hollow (not forged) -> Venture Cast -> Indy Forged Ti -> Thunder ti hollow lite.

It's hard to go on numbers alone honestly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on May 23, 2022, 12:49:24 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on May 23, 2022, 11:36:31 AM
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Went back to my Thunder teams after skating Indys standards for awhile. My switch tricks just work so much better on Thunders, so I was thinking... Maybe I should get some Indy forged, or mids, so I get a lower height and quicker pop.
What you guys think? Its tough to go away from indys smooth grinding, and ofc that baseplate slide!
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As someone who just switched from indy titanium 144s to thunder team hollow 148s, i can tell you my switch tricks deff work better on the thunders. the shorter WB on indys give you a lighter popfeel, but its more vague and less snappy than a thunder. they also turn better, so by nature they're less stable, which makes it a little harder to setup for flip tricks, especially when going fast compared to thunders.

The baseplate issue with the thunders is manageable for me. My fs noseslides have suffered the most since the switch. but im adapting, and they're getting better.

Long story short, if what you're worried about is flip tricks, i would stay on the thunders personally.
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A lighter and lower indy should provide more snap tho? I was thinking about trying some indy titaniums too, bcuz they weight nearly the same as my Thunders, and are 1,5mm lower then indy std

a lighter and lower indy will make your tail travel less before it hits the ground, with less effort. The snappiness comes from the thunders pushing your WB out more, effectively shortening your tail, and making it a bit more difficult to push your tail down, but that gives you a more drastic effect when it hits the ground.

Imagine how quick and easy it would be for your tail to hit the ground if your back truck was in the middle of the board, but it would do so with little effort, and wouldnt really snap that well.

It's all about finding what works for you. This is just my experience. If you feel like you're missing something from your thunders, go for it. I've tried plenty of shit.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 23, 2022, 04:28:04 PM
Thunders are just plain lighter and lower, so while it pushes the wheelbase out, it’s still less work than an Indy.  I also think the geo which is more stable, less turny makes a difference in the pop, especially when popping from the pockets….I noticed this with thunders and ventures….
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on May 24, 2022, 04:20:07 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on May 23, 2022, 04:28:04 PM
Thunders are just plain lighter and lower, so while it pushes the wheelbase out, it’s still less work than an Indy.  I also think the geo which is more stable, less turny makes a difference in the pop, especially when popping from the pockets….I noticed this with thunders and ventures….

In my case of indy titanium vs team hollows, I think the weight is pretty similar, Indy's might even be lighter. 1.5mm height difference. Personally, I really notice the effects on wb since I'm tall and have long legs. I'm able to put my feet in much more natural positions for flip tricks now on the thunders, really enjoying them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on May 29, 2022, 01:16:00 PM
Paul Schmitt and truck wheelbases

https://www.instagram.com/p/CeIAkyRrmgT/

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For #SkateScience Saturday I dig into your actual wheelbase with different truck brands.

Each brand designs there trucks differently and geometry is what’s discussed the most. When combined with how the baseplate is drilled creates your actual axel to axel center which is your wheelbase.
When you cross refence marketing of hanger or axel length with inches and millimeters it can all be confusing.

I made my Truck Design Wheelbase Variable Analization Jig and I took it to @Pacific_Drive yesterday and @SoulGrindSkateShop today to analyze trucks, both of these longstanding core #SkateShops are located in Pacific Beach

I have brass pins that are in line with the inside truck holes and place a pair of trucks on it.
I then take a caliper and zero it on the axel diameter and then measure from axel to axle on a new pair of trucks.

I found out the variables and share a number here for you. These are stock trucks with stock bushings and adjustment.
As you tighten your trucks the axel to axel distance will reduce a small amount. The height of the truck will also reduce as you tighten your trucks.

The trucks just like the #FindersOfFlat are part of the #TriangleOfLeverage that is a scientific way to compare the changes in your completely assembled #SkateBoard.

2.69” Ace Classic 44 @acetrucks
2.89” Krux Standard 8.5” @kruxtrucks
3.00” Indy 144 Hollow @independenttrucks
3.29” Classic 145 @thundertrucks
3.01” Tensor Mag Lite 5.75” @tensortrucks
3.32” Venture 5.2” Polished @venturetrucks

Add the wheelbase of your actual board to get you actual wheelbase.
For example, a board with a 14” Wheelbase with Aces would be 16.69” The same deck with Ventures would be 17.32”
This may seem small to you but this percentage of .0377% can make a big difference in how setup rides.

As you can see above changing from a Ace Classic to a venture will change your axel to axel wheelbase by .63”
As skaters we figure out what we like. Trying to share some #SkateScience to help you understand it better.

#LearnSomethingDaily
#NeverStopTeaching
#NeverStopLearning
#PaulSchmitt
#ProfessorSchmitt
#ProfessorPaulSchmitt
#SkateScienceSaturday
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on May 29, 2022, 01:18:41 PM
Analization Jig
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on May 29, 2022, 01:46:49 PM
Man it's rough when you misspell your own hashtag and go to shops and measure trucks and don't pay attention to which baseplates you measure. How do I know this? Because I was in Pacific Drive on Friday and just checked out the truck case and all the Thunders were lights same with most of the Ventures thus forged plates.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on May 29, 2022, 04:08:06 PM
Paul Schmitt is such a confusing character to me. Is he smart? Is he really stupid?
He's definitely really really bad at spelling. But also where did he get this "percentage of .0377%" from?
Seems like he's bad with numbers too.
Hope he's at least doing well on the analization
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Plan9Customs on May 29, 2022, 04:26:24 PM
Finders of flat…
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on May 29, 2022, 05:18:31 PM
The real question is does he even skate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on May 29, 2022, 06:55:44 PM
Quote from: tzhangdox on May 29, 2022, 01:18:41 PM
Analization Jig

(https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.174388554.9555/pd,x450,macbook_air_13-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.u2.jpg)

Thunder Classic 145, does he mean 147? At this stage I think Slap has done a better job of cataloging truck WB adjustments, sorted by brand / size / standard / hollow etc.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 29, 2022, 07:18:48 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on May 29, 2022, 06:55:44 PM

Thunder Classic 145, does he mean 147? At this stage I think Slap has done a better job of cataloging truck WB adjustments, sorted by brand / size / standard / hollow etc.


I guess it depends on brand, or how much the terminology is mixed up, eg:

Classic = Team edition = Standard
 (Ace)       (Thunder)        (Indy)

I would be more surprised that anyone usually has any Thunder 145 (7.62) or 143 (7.125) in stock, but I guess even the kids ride 8+ board sizes here in AU and a shop that caters for everyone would have all sizes in USA.

https://www.thundertrucks.com/sizing/


(https://www.thundertrucks.com/images/th-sizechart-145.png)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 29, 2022, 07:45:39 PM
Honestly, there is a nerdy  neurotic compulsion here on SLAP that leads  me  to trust this thread more than Paul Schmitt.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on May 29, 2022, 08:33:23 PM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on May 29, 2022, 07:45:39 PM
Honestly, there is a nerdy  neurotic compulsion here on SLAP that leads  me  to trust this thread more than Paul Schmitt.

I love his contributions, passion.

I’ve posted about this before, but in my opinion, when he’s spewing this information, it feels like he throws out tidbits of information, and then leeeeaps to other tangentially connected information quickly, and then again, in a way that I feel like I’m being hustled. Or to say it another way, when I was a young waiter and didn’t know much about wine, someone would ask questions about a bottle and I would blurt out everything I’d ever heard about the winery, wine making process…just on and on, dancing around and just saying stuff hoping we could just move on.

So yeah, I totally trust a group of internet nerds more on measuring something.
What I hope for when listing to Schmitt is little bits of information to understand more about: (I apologize) board-fit. He seems incapable, and/or unwilling to spit it all out in a way I’m able to follow.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 30, 2022, 04:01:33 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on May 29, 2022, 05:18:31 PM
The real question is does he even skate?


I had to go looking and did find a few interesting things.

SCHMITT STIX team video 1987 Skateboarding

A video on youtube from 1987 was definitely not worth posting here, mainly just having fun on a 6 ft backyard mini ramp with a few team riders, but I could definitely see why a couple of those guys had their names on boards, like Lucero and Nolder,  among others.

A few other pics and things here and there, I guess this one being maybe the most interesting interview and pic:

https://juicemagazine.com/home/paul-schmitt/

https://juicemagazine.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/schmitt1-2.jpg


Apart from that, I can appreciate the interest (and the boards back around 2000 era) but don't go too deep with anything from him.

I think everything else has been covered by other people here anyway.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on May 30, 2022, 04:53:39 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on May 29, 2022, 05:18:31 PM
The real question is does he even skate?

He definitely does and is “old guy-good”. He used to post photos and videos, but fell and broke a bone (maybe his hip?) and I haven’t seen anything since then.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on May 30, 2022, 04:56:42 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on May 29, 2022, 04:08:06 PM
Paul Schmitt is such a confusing character to me. Is he smart? Is he really stupid?
He's definitely really really bad at spelling. But also where did he get this "percentage of .0377%" from?
Seems like he's bad with numbers too.
Hope he's at least doing well on the analization

I *think* he’s trying to describe the difference in offset between two trucks, but without some kind of baseline, it’s more or less useless.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: intendedreceivers on May 30, 2022, 07:05:36 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on May 30, 2022, 04:56:42 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on May 29, 2022, 04:08:06 PM
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Paul Schmitt is such a confusing character to me. Is he smart? Is he really stupid?
He's definitely really really bad at spelling. But also where did he get this "percentage of .0377%" from?
Seems like he's bad with numbers too.
Hope he's at least doing well on the analization
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I *think* he’s trying to describe the difference in offset between two trucks, but without some kind of baseline, it’s more or less useless.

Yeah. He divided his measured difference in wheelbase by the original wheelbase itself (.63/16.69), which is .0377, but he forgot to move the decimal point, so It’s actually 3.77%.

However, that number is pretty useless for comparison purposes because, like you said, it *only* applies to a baseline combo of an Ace truck on a board drilled to 14 in. Percentages are bogus in measurements like these. Too much complexity and too many variables.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on May 30, 2022, 07:55:52 AM
Quote from: intendedreceivers on May 30, 2022, 07:05:36 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on May 30, 2022, 04:56:42 AM
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Quote from: goodatmeth on May 29, 2022, 04:08:06 PM
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Paul Schmitt is such a confusing character to me. Is he smart? Is he really stupid?
He's definitely really really bad at spelling. But also where did he get this "percentage of .0377%" from?
Seems like he's bad with numbers too.
Hope he's at least doing well on the analization
[close]

I *think* he’s trying to describe the difference in offset between two trucks, but without some kind of baseline, it’s more or less useless.
[close]

Yeah. He divided his measured difference in wheelbase by the original wheelbase itself (.63/16.69), which is .0377, but he forgot to move the decimal point, so It’s actually 3.77%.

However, that number is pretty useless for comparison purposes because, like you said, it *only* applies to a baseline combo of an Ace truck on a board drilled to 14 in. Percentages are bogus in measurements like these. Too much complexity and too many variables.

Yeah, there's no baseline here. I don't have any good ideas myself, but I would be curious to know if any of the engineers, machinists or even hobbyists here have a better suggestion for some type of jig with a standardized baseline.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on May 30, 2022, 11:06:44 AM
What’s the recommended non-JB Weld epoxy (two-part or otherwise) for adhering the nut of your kingpin to the baseplate? I've had JB twice fail on me, and I know someone here said they had a better adhesive.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 01, 2022, 11:01:54 AM
Goes through that whole process and doesn't measure Thunders?

Quote from: LebowskisRug on May 29, 2022, 05:18:31 PM
The real question is does he even skate?

https://youtu.be/wGFDn12z8tY

'yeeew'
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on June 01, 2022, 12:05:24 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on May 30, 2022, 11:06:44 AM
What’s the recommended non-JB Weld epoxy (two-part or otherwise) for adhering the nut of your kingpin to the baseplate? I've had JB twice fail on me, and I know someone here said they had a better adhesive.

Devcon plastic steel epoxy is the only adhesive that hasn't failed on me. I roughed the application area up with a file, then cleaned it thoroughly. I feel like epoxies work much better in a square recessed area than in a circular one (like stage 10 Indy's).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirtjers on June 01, 2022, 03:33:14 PM
Currently running Venture 5.8’s totally stock. Was thinking of doing the Bones top washers for some extra surf, since I have some laying around anyway.

This leads me to my question: Is this healthier or gnarlier for the top bushing?

Did a quick search and found varying opinions throughout the last year or so, but wasn’t sure what the consensus was.

My conventional wisdom says the stock too washer would be more damaging because it can cut into the bushing- but who knows.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 01, 2022, 08:03:08 PM
Fresh Thunder TI 149s
Flat sleeved washers
NGF 95a low top (feels much softer tho)
Venom 86a bottom (sanded down about 1mm)

Been riding various 148/161 Thunders of late, cast/forged, ollies are good, balance point good, wheebite is shit (148s on 8.3s).

Bushing-wise after playing with indy/nfg conicals and stock, I took my own advice and slapped in the Venom 86a bottom bushing and they're as good as I remember; easily the next best thing to stock if you want something a little softer with waaaaaaay more rebound - coming off the NFG bottoms it's night and day. With the better rebound and sleeved washers I get out of wheelbite territory much faster, even on forged plates.

I threw in the low nfg top, doesn't seem to make a different other than it being low so I can actually get the pin to catch the nylock and have it turn better than stock (too tight using stockheight, nut flush). But honestly any lower top would work just fine.

(https://i.ibb.co/6trYpZw/IMG-2827.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6trYpZw)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on June 02, 2022, 03:33:26 AM
Quote from: dirtjers on June 01, 2022, 03:33:14 PM
Currently running Venture 5.8’s totally stock. Was thinking of doing the Bones top washers for some extra surf, since I have some laying around anyway.

This leads me to my question: Is this healthier or gnarlier for the top bushing?

Did a quick search and found varying opinions throughout the last year or so, but wasn’t sure what the consensus was.

My conventional wisdom says the stock too washer would be more damaging because it can cut into the bushing- but who knows.
The bigger question is do you want to sacrifice better rebound for more turn? Because in my experience with venture if I run a flat top washer I get better turn but the bounce back to center is not as good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 02, 2022, 07:02:11 AM
I have a weird rattle/creaking coming from the front truck of my Indy Hollows. I took the truck apart and it's not the kingpin and the pivot cup seems fine. I waxed the bottom of the bottom washer but it still sounds kind of like a metallic rattle when I land anything or a creak when I turn. I don't ride my trucks very loose. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 02, 2022, 07:59:23 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on June 02, 2022, 07:02:11 AM
I have a weird rattle/creaking coming from the front truck of my Indy Hollows. I took the truck apart and it's not the kingpin and the pivot cup seems fine. I waxed the bottom of the bottom washer but it still sounds kind of like a metallic rattle when I land anything or a creak when I turn. I don't ride my trucks very loose. Any ideas?

Damn it. I got all logged in to write for you to do what it sounds like you’ve done: kingpin/washers binding on kingpin. I still think it might be the kingpin.
As an aside: have Indy’s been extra creaky lately? I just got blessed by the great homie with some USA 149s, and they are quiet as kept, but my more recent hollow 139s are squeakers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 02, 2022, 09:32:33 AM
These are actually decently old. My neighbor bought them before the move and then we traded. I tried another washer but it still happens.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lilboosie on June 02, 2022, 09:35:30 AM
i posted my last painted trucks here so ill throw these recent ones in

this is the second time i made custom truck graphics or whatever. first time was for myself and this time for my homie. he wanted trucks to match his winkowski deck. i did the best i could to match the colors with what i had. it was fun. 2 different paint methods. 3 colors. i had fun with this!!

(https://i.ibb.co/wBszgSR/DSC07652.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/2jJpNds/tmpsanta-cruz-winkowski-aquatic-night-shaped-skateboard-deck-10.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 02, 2022, 09:46:48 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on June 02, 2022, 09:32:33 AM
These are actually decently old. My neighbor bought them before the move and then we traded. I tried another washer but it still happens.

Well sheeeeit.
Apologies: did you take the truck off of the board to check the kingpin? Im assuming all of the bolts are tightened…squeaks/rattles on a setup are frustrating because there are so few areas for this to happen. I’ve had wheels that the bearings didn’t seat into perfectly that causes some sounds. Creaking and rattling trucks for me have almost always been: pivot cup, bottom bushing (did you wax the bottom of the hanger?). I’ve had kingpins that worked loose, and those rattled around. Annoying as hell, but didn’t really affect the performance in a way I could notice
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 02, 2022, 09:56:51 AM
Quote from: Ok on June 02, 2022, 09:46:48 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on June 02, 2022, 09:32:33 AM
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These are actually decently old. My neighbor bought them before the move and then we traded. I tried another washer but it still happens.
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Well sheeeeit.
Apologies: did you take the truck off of the board to check the kingpin? Im assuming all of the bolts are tightened…squeaks/rattles on a setup are frustrating because there are so few areas for this to happen. I’ve had wheels that the bearings didn’t seat into perfectly that causes some sounds. Creaking and rattling trucks for me have almost always been: pivot cup, bottom bushing (did you wax the bottom of the hanger?). I’ve had kingpins that worked loose, and those rattled around. Annoying as hell, but didn’t really affect the performance in a way I could notice

I had a similar thing recently, my board had a rattle (using the ACE lows), everything was tight/as it should be (I even snugged up the wheels for no play) but I had what sounded like a metallic 'rail rattle'. Could not locate it so I just took the whole thing apart, swapped trucks and it was fine.

Gremlins.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 02, 2022, 10:15:12 AM
I didn't take the trucks off, but I secured the board to a bench with some large clamps and then used pliers with soft grip jaws to try and move it and got nothing. What I think is happening is that since the kingpin is hollow and my weight standing on the board compresses the bushings there is enough play to let the washer wiggle against the kingpin and make an echo. The simple solution might be to drop epoxy down the kingpin hole at top and bottom to plug it up and put some Teflon tape around the bottom so the washer has zero play.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on June 02, 2022, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: lilboosie on June 02, 2022, 09:35:30 AM
i posted my last painted trucks here so ill throw these recent ones in

this is the second time i made custom truck graphics or whatever. first time was for myself and this time for my homie. he wanted trucks to match his winkowski deck. i did the best i could to match the colors with what i had. it was fun. 2 different paint methods. 3 colors. i had fun with this!!

(https://i.ibb.co/wBszgSR/DSC07652.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/2jJpNds/tmpsanta-cruz-winkowski-aquatic-night-shaped-skateboard-deck-10.jpg)

Woah. Awesome work mate. I especially like the color of the baseplates. <3
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 03, 2022, 11:38:31 AM
Quote from: HumBoogie on June 02, 2022, 03:33:26 AM
Quote from: dirtjers on June 01, 2022, 03:33:14 PM
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Currently running Venture 5.8’s totally stock. Was thinking of doing the Bones top washers for some extra surf, since I have some laying around anyway.

This leads me to my question: Is this healthier or gnarlier for the top bushing?

Did a quick search and found varying opinions throughout the last year or so, but wasn’t sure what the consensus was.

My conventional wisdom says the stock too washer would be more damaging because it can cut into the bushing- but who knows.
[close]
The bigger question is do you want to sacrifice better rebound for more turn? Because in my experience with venture if I run a flat top washer I get better turn but the bounce back to center is not as good.

Try a harder top bushing with the flat washer (or a bones hard and skip the top washer).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on June 03, 2022, 11:58:44 AM
Quote from: Xen on June 03, 2022, 11:38:31 AM
Quote from: HumBoogie on June 02, 2022, 03:33:26 AM
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Quote from: dirtjers on June 01, 2022, 03:33:14 PM
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Currently running Venture 5.8’s totally stock. Was thinking of doing the Bones top washers for some extra surf, since I have some laying around anyway.

This leads me to my question: Is this healthier or gnarlier for the top bushing?

Did a quick search and found varying opinions throughout the last year or so, but wasn’t sure what the consensus was.

My conventional wisdom says the stock too washer would be more damaging because it can cut into the bushing- but who knows.
[close]
The bigger question is do you want to sacrifice better rebound for more turn? Because in my experience with venture if I run a flat top washer I get better turn but the bounce back to center is not as good.
[close]

Try a harder top bushing with the flat washer (or a bones hard).
Thank you. I'll have to give it a try.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 03, 2022, 12:48:41 PM
Quote from: HumBoogie on June 03, 2022, 11:58:44 AM
Quote from: Xen on June 03, 2022, 11:38:31 AM
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Quote from: HumBoogie on June 02, 2022, 03:33:26 AM
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Quote from: dirtjers on June 01, 2022, 03:33:14 PM
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Currently running Venture 5.8’s totally stock. Was thinking of doing the Bones top washers for some extra surf, since I have some laying around anyway.

This leads me to my question: Is this healthier or gnarlier for the top bushing?

Did a quick search and found varying opinions throughout the last year or so, but wasn’t sure what the consensus was.

My conventional wisdom says the stock too washer would be more damaging because it can cut into the bushing- but who knows.
[close]
The bigger question is do you want to sacrifice better rebound for more turn? Because in my experience with venture if I run a flat top washer I get better turn but the bounce back to center is not as good.
[close]

Try a harder top bushing with the flat washer (or a bones hard).
[close]
Thank you. I'll have to give it a try.

I follow the ACE formula for dual: duro 5-7 duro difference between bottom (softer) and top (harder) but it depends on what bushings you are using.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on June 04, 2022, 11:47:44 AM
Quote from: lilboosie on June 02, 2022, 09:35:30 AM
i posted my last painted trucks here so ill throw these recent ones in

this is the second time i made custom truck graphics or whatever. first time was for myself and this time for my homie. he wanted trucks to match his winkowski deck. i did the best i could to match the colors with what i had. it was fun. 2 different paint methods. 3 colors. i had fun with this!!

(https://i.ibb.co/wBszgSR/DSC07652.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/2jJpNds/tmpsanta-cruz-winkowski-aquatic-night-shaped-skateboard-deck-10.jpg)

This gave me that tickling stomach feeling. What a beautiful colour you’ve got going. Some snot wheels would make it slap S&G  goat level status.

Beautiful.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: big_kev_215 on June 06, 2022, 12:18:40 PM
Anyone order Indy or Ace Riptide pivot cups in the last few months?  The past two sets I got were smaller than they used to be (lower) and don’t come up to the edge of the pivot cup area on the baseplate of the truck.  Not sure if this was a freak accident with a batch they made or if the dimensions permanently changed for the worse. 

The set of 159s I’m skating now are squeaking like crazy and I want to throw some Riptides in there but I don’t feel like wasting money on another weirdly sized set. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on June 06, 2022, 12:31:17 PM
Quote from: big_kev_215 on June 06, 2022, 12:18:40 PM
Anyone order Indy or Ace Riptide pivot cups in the last few months?  The past two sets I got were smaller than they used to be (lower) and don’t come up to the edge of the pivot cup area on the baseplate of the truck.  Not sure if this was a freak accident with a batch they made or if the dimensions permanently changed for the worse. 

The set of 159s I’m skating now are squeaking like crazy and I want to throw some Riptides in there but I don’t feel like wasting money on another weirdly sized set.
try the nfg pivot cups
1a duro softer but around $10 cheaper
im finding similar performance if not slightly smoother
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: big_kev_215 on June 06, 2022, 01:09:58 PM
Quote from: off on June 06, 2022, 12:31:17 PM
Quote from: big_kev_215 on June 06, 2022, 12:18:40 PM
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Anyone order Indy or Ace Riptide pivot cups in the last few months?  The past two sets I got were smaller than they used to be (lower) and don’t come up to the edge of the pivot cup area on the baseplate of the truck.  Not sure if this was a freak accident with a batch they made or if the dimensions permanently changed for the worse. 

The set of 159s I’m skating now are squeaking like crazy and I want to throw some Riptides in there but I don’t feel like wasting money on another weirdly sized set.
[close]
try the nfg pivot cups
1a duro softer but around $10 cheaper
im finding similar performance if not slightly smoother

You run them in Indys or Ace classics at all?  Bout to order some today.  This squeaking is negatively impacting my mediocre skating haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 06, 2022, 02:20:10 PM
Quote from: Xen on June 01, 2022, 08:03:08 PM
Fresh Thunder TI 149s
Flat sleeved washers
NGF 95a low top (feels much softer tho)
Venom 86a bottom (sanded down about 1mm)

Been riding various 148/161 Thunders of late, cast/forged, ollies are good, balance point good, wheebite is shit (148s on 8.3s).

Bushing-wise after playing with indy/nfg conicals and stock, I took my own advice and slapped in the Venom 86a bottom bushing and they're as good as I remember; easily the next best thing to stock if you want something a little softer with waaaaaaay more rebound - coming off the NFG bottoms it's night and day. With the better rebound and sleeved washers I get out of wheelbite territory much faster, even on forged plates.

I threw in the low nfg top, doesn't seem to make a different other than it being low so I can actually get the pin to catch the nylock and have it turn better than stock (too tight using stockheight, nut flush). But honestly any lower top would work just fine.

(https://i.ibb.co/6trYpZw/IMG-2827.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6trYpZw)

Are the venom bushings conical?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on June 06, 2022, 03:26:28 PM
Quote from: big_kev_215 on June 06, 2022, 12:18:40 PM
Anyone order Indy or Ace Riptide pivot cups in the last few months?  The past two sets I got were smaller than they used to be (lower) and don’t come up to the edge of the pivot cup area on the baseplate of the truck.  Not sure if this was a freak accident with a batch they made or if the dimensions permanently changed for the worse. 

The set of 159s I’m skating now are squeaking like crazy and I want to throw some Riptides in there but I don’t feel like wasting money on another weirdly sized set.

Did you order Ace pivot cups and then put them in the AF1's? That would explain them not fitting properly because they haven't released the AF1's yet since they're struggling with getting the mold right since Ace still has QC inconsistencies. If they're not fitting properly in the Ace classics or Indy's, you should email them and they will gladly send you a new set. Tracey is a really nice lady and their customer service is top notch.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 06, 2022, 03:39:55 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 06, 2022, 02:20:10 PM
Quote from: Xen on June 01, 2022, 08:03:08 PM
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Fresh Thunder TI 149s
Flat sleeved washers
NGF 95a low top (feels much softer tho)
Venom 86a bottom (sanded down about 1mm)

Been riding various 148/161 Thunders of late, cast/forged, ollies are good, balance point good, wheebite is shit (148s on 8.3s).

Bushing-wise after playing with indy/nfg conicals and stock, I took my own advice and slapped in the Venom 86a bottom bushing and they're as good as I remember; easily the next best thing to stock if you want something a little softer with waaaaaaay more rebound - coming off the NFG bottoms it's night and day. With the better rebound and sleeved washers I get out of wheelbite territory much faster, even on forged plates.

I threw in the low nfg top, doesn't seem to make a different other than it being low so I can actually get the pin to catch the nylock and have it turn better than stock (too tight using stockheight, nut flush). But honestly any lower top would work just fine.

(https://i.ibb.co/6trYpZw/IMG-2827.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6trYpZw)
[close]

Are the venom bushings conical?

Yes. As shown in the pic.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: big_kev_215 on June 06, 2022, 03:55:07 PM
Quote from: logjammin on June 06, 2022, 03:26:28 PM
Quote from: big_kev_215 on June 06, 2022, 12:18:40 PM
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Anyone order Indy or Ace Riptide pivot cups in the last few months?  The past two sets I got were smaller than they used to be (lower) and don’t come up to the edge of the pivot cup area on the baseplate of the truck.  Not sure if this was a freak accident with a batch they made or if the dimensions permanently changed for the worse. 

The set of 159s I’m skating now are squeaking like crazy and I want to throw some Riptides in there but I don’t feel like wasting money on another weirdly sized set.
[close]

Did you order Ace pivot cups and then put them in the AF1's? That would explain them not fitting properly because they haven't released the AF1's yet since they're struggling with getting the mold right since Ace still has QC inconsistencies. If they're not fitting properly in the Ace classics or Indy's, you should email them and they will gladly send you a new set. Tracey is a really nice lady and their customer service is top notch.

I know what you’re saying, but no, this was Indy Riptide pivot cups that I put into Independent Trucks.  I said Indy/Ace because to the best of my knowledge the Indy Riptide pivot cups and Ace (classics) Riptide pivot cups are the same size. Yeah Tracey is awesome (they even mailed holiday cards to their customers haha).  I’ll probably hit them up about it.  They seem like such good people I actually feel bad bothering them cause their products have generally served me so well in the past.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on June 10, 2022, 07:23:09 AM
Quote from: freidnly guy on April 10, 2022, 02:33:02 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/CK9rfzH/Screenshot-2022-04-10-4-20-28-PM.png)

Did anyone ever confirm if these are some random truck brand, or is Powell Peralta actually prototyping RKP's for street?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on June 10, 2022, 07:37:58 AM
Quote from: MysticalTypeExperience on June 10, 2022, 07:23:09 AM
Quote from: freidnly guy on April 10, 2022, 02:33:02 PM
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Did anyone ever confirm if these are some random truck brand, or is Powell Peralta actually prototyping RKP's for street?

RKPs with an integrated lapper-esque mechanism. the future is weird.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 10, 2022, 08:15:22 AM
I haven’t been able to sleep a wink….
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on June 10, 2022, 08:26:14 AM
Quote from: MysticalTypeExperience on June 10, 2022, 07:23:09 AM
Quote from: freidnly guy on April 10, 2022, 02:33:02 PM
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Did anyone ever confirm if these are some random truck brand, or is Powell Peralta actually prototyping RKP's for street?

I think someone said they're an Aera prototype, that seems to be the most likely to me...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on June 10, 2022, 01:46:16 PM
Quote from: BartHarleyJarvis on June 10, 2022, 08:26:14 AM
Quote from: MysticalTypeExperience on June 10, 2022, 07:23:09 AM
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Quote from: freidnly guy on April 10, 2022, 02:33:02 PM
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Did anyone ever confirm if these are some random truck brand, or is Powell Peralta actually prototyping RKP's for street?
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I think someone said they're an Aera prototype, that seems to be the most likely to me...

Yeah, someone in another thread clearly knew about truck manufacturing and pointed out that these are Aera, and also that Aera is the company which manufactures Ace Trucks in China.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on June 10, 2022, 02:11:54 PM
It's actually the Paris trucks factory that I am pretty sure manufactures Ace AF1's because Joey Pulsifer owns them and he rolls with Joey and Shrewg.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: intendedreceivers on June 10, 2022, 06:37:51 PM
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Did anyone ever confirm if these are some random truck brand, or is Powell Peralta actually prototyping RKP's for street?
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I think someone said they're an Aera prototype, that seems to be the most likely to me...
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Yeah, someone in another thread clearly knew about truck manufacturing and pointed out that these are Aera, and also that Aera is the company which manufactures Ace Trucks in China.

I think that was Paris, not Aera. Aera is like Skate One’s longboard div. or something.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on June 11, 2022, 02:20:33 AM
I read here that the Indy Mids don't have the best grind clearance but I look at the forged version of them.

50.5mm height sounds pretty good to me. My question is, can I put I regular kingpin in them and shorten it a bit with a angle grinder and low top bushings?

I don't feel like dealing with inverted kingpins that come loose over time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 11, 2022, 04:09:55 AM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on June 11, 2022, 02:20:33 AM
I read here that the Indy Mids don't have the best grind clearance but I look at the forged version of them.

50.5mm height sounds pretty good to me. My question is, can I put I regular kingpin in them and shorten it a bit with a angle grinder and low top bushings?

I don't feel like dealing with inverted kingpins that come loose over time.

It is not the inverted kingpin that comes loose, so much as it is the inverted nut arrangement that you cannot remove without messing up the whole baseplate, but from trying out other inverted kingpins, some do tend to work well in the Mid baseplate and allow for a lot more clearance, if the kingpin has more threads, you can definitely take it down lower.

What might be an easier option is putting the Mid hanger on a normal forged baseplate and using an angle grinder to take the kingpin down as much as is needed, which I have done for a whole lot of trucks and it works well and gives a much better clearance anyway, even on the Mid hanger.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ImmanuelCunt on June 11, 2022, 05:21:35 AM
The indy mid kingpin is really really sticky some times. I just own the plates for some old stage 11 hangers where the plates were plates were broken.
The original krux dlk kingpin has the trucks even loser then the indy mid/new krux pin because it has the same length (with same amount of threads) but the top is conical because it is counter sunk in the top washer so it applies pressure later and also differently because of the weird washer shape.
I've read here that people were using the kre'per pins because they have more threads.
Both the kre'per kingpins and the original krux dlk are not available in germany I guess (anymore).
There was a time last year were suddenly titus online had the old dlks in stock for a week or so after them not being available anywhere for years. I guess somebody went through there old stock when the new mindys and replacement kingpins arrived. And I regret I only bought 2 sets but I also never wanna deal with ikp again it's a mess.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 11, 2022, 07:52:05 AM
Someone posted before the seat bolt….Seatbolt, flat washer, bones?  That would work no?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ImmanuelCunt on June 11, 2022, 08:28:24 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 11, 2022, 07:52:05 AM
Someone posted before the seat bolt….Seatbolt, flat washer, bones?  That would work no?

I guess the seat bolt will be pretty hard to get in germany as well. But might be worth a try to go in some enthusiast shop for american cars.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on June 11, 2022, 09:07:02 AM
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I guess the seat bolt will be pretty hard to get in germany as well. But might be worth a try to go in some enthusiast shop for american cars.

I'd imagine a small parts retailer in Germany distributes them. They're manufactured in China and shipped around the globe:

https://www.globalsources.com/si/AS/Shaanxi-Vital/6008854151035/pdtl/Titanium-Jacobs-Ladder-Bolt/1183925452.htm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lukabrazi on June 11, 2022, 09:36:26 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/2Ux3WWnl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6PyvgSzl.jpg)

Psyched on this set up at the moment

Cast baseplate 5.2 low
Venture Hollow 5.2 axel
Inverted kingpin
Venture low bushings

Crazy turn radius for low trucks . This is the loosest I’ve ever ridden my trucks and it’s been really fun. Fucking with my flat ground tricks a little but getting used to it this past week.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: intendedreceivers on June 11, 2022, 02:55:55 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on June 11, 2022, 02:20:33 AM
I read here that the Indy Mids don't have the best grind clearance but I look at the forged version of them.

50.5mm height sounds pretty good to me. My question is, can I put I regular kingpin in them and shorten it a bit with a angle grinder and low top bushings?

I don't feel like dealing with inverted kingpins that come loose over time.

I put a 139 mid hanger and a regular forged plate on my junk board. Works fine, but you might have to get/make some shorter bushings if you’re going to grind down the kingpin.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bror on June 12, 2022, 04:33:18 AM
Anyone heard any news about the indy stage 12s? Found Ti's on sale but dont really need new trucks just yet
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on June 12, 2022, 07:07:12 AM
Quote from: Bror on June 12, 2022, 04:33:18 AM
Anyone heard any news about the indy stage 12s? Found Ti's on sale but dont really need new trucks just yet

Without any source or credibility at all I'm telling you that a stage 12 is not happening in the next 5 years.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on June 12, 2022, 01:48:26 PM
Quote from: intendedreceivers on June 11, 2022, 02:55:55 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on June 11, 2022, 02:20:33 AM
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I read here that the Indy Mids don't have the best grind clearance but I look at the forged version of them.

50.5mm height sounds pretty good to me. My question is, can I put I regular kingpin in them and shorten it a bit with a angle grinder and low top bushings?

I don't feel like dealing with inverted kingpins that come loose over time.
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I put a 139 mid hanger and a regular forged plate on my junk board. Works fine, but you might have to get/make some shorter bushings if you’re going to grind down the kingpin.

What is the truck height with a mid hanger on a forged baseplate? Forged Hollow trucks are 53.5mm if I remember correctly.

Thanks for all the help ya all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on June 12, 2022, 03:54:17 PM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on June 12, 2022, 01:48:26 PM
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I read here that the Indy Mids don't have the best grind clearance but I look at the forged version of them.

50.5mm height sounds pretty good to me. My question is, can I put I regular kingpin in them and shorten it a bit with a angle grinder and low top bushings?

I don't feel like dealing with inverted kingpins that come loose over time.
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I put a 139 mid hanger and a regular forged plate on my junk board. Works fine, but you might have to get/make some shorter bushings if you’re going to grind down the kingpin.
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What is the truck height with a mid hanger on a forged baseplate? Forged Hollow trucks are 53.5mm if I remember correctly.

Thanks for all the help ya all.

Baseplates on mids are the same, the hanger is just 3mm lower. So you get a 50.5mm truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on June 13, 2022, 04:35:37 AM
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I read here that the Indy Mids don't have the best grind clearance but I look at the forged version of them.

50.5mm height sounds pretty good to me. My question is, can I put I regular kingpin in them and shorten it a bit with a angle grinder and low top bushings?

I don't feel like dealing with inverted kingpins that come loose over time.
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I put a 139 mid hanger and a regular forged plate on my junk board. Works fine, but you might have to get/make some shorter bushings if you’re going to grind down the kingpin.
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What is the truck height with a mid hanger on a forged baseplate? Forged Hollow trucks are 53.5mm if I remember correctly.

Thanks for all the help ya all.
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Baseplates on mids are the same, the hanger is just 3mm lower. So you get a 50.5mm truck

Aah, I see. Guess I have to look out for hollow mindy's now. Thanks pals.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on June 13, 2022, 08:07:54 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on June 12, 2022, 07:07:12 AM
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Without any source or credibility at all I'm telling you that a stage 12 is not happening in the next 5 years.

Have Indy had a truck which they have kept around for as long as the Stage 11? I feel like we are kinda at a point where Indy = Stage 11 and they would be foolish to mess with something so widely accepted as the industry leading best product, but who knows.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on June 13, 2022, 10:33:27 AM
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Did anyone ever confirm if these are some random truck brand, or is Powell Peralta actually prototyping RKP's for street?

I don't know the branding they will use for it, but it was confirmed to me by SkateOne when I asked about it, and the traditional kingpin one Zach was skating.

"Still in testing phase but getting close. The RKP is looking really good with the feedback from our team."
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 13, 2022, 03:06:18 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on June 13, 2022, 08:07:54 AM
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Anyone heard any news about the indy stage 12s? Found Ti's on sale but dont really need new trucks just yet
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Without any source or credibility at all I'm telling you that a stage 12 is not happening in the next 5 years.
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Have Indy had a truck which they have kept around for as long as the Stage 11? I feel like we are kinda at a point where Indy = Stage 11 and they would be foolish to mess with something so widely accepted as the industry leading best product, but who knows.

Barring really early stages, I don't think so. Stage XI released in 2013 (?) Almost a decade old now...keep in mind the newer 215s and the Mids are 'classic Indy geometry' whatever stage that's supposed to represent.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on June 13, 2022, 03:31:19 PM
Quote from: Xen on June 13, 2022, 03:06:18 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on June 13, 2022, 08:07:54 AM
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Anyone heard any news about the indy stage 12s? Found Ti's on sale but dont really need new trucks just yet
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Without any source or credibility at all I'm telling you that a stage 12 is not happening in the next 5 years.
[close]

Have Indy had a truck which they have kept around for as long as the Stage 11? I feel like we are kinda at a point where Indy = Stage 11 and they would be foolish to mess with something so widely accepted as the industry leading best product, but who knows.
[close]

Barring really early stages, I don't think so. Stage XI released in 2013 (?) Almost a decade old now...keep in mind the newer 215s and the Mids are 'classic Indy geometry' whatever stage that's supposed to represent.

I wasn’t aware that those trucks were considered to have different geometry!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 13, 2022, 03:35:50 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on June 13, 2022, 03:31:19 PM
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Anyone heard any news about the indy stage 12s? Found Ti's on sale but dont really need new trucks just yet
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Without any source or credibility at all I'm telling you that a stage 12 is not happening in the next 5 years.
[close]

Have Indy had a truck which they have kept around for as long as the Stage 11? I feel like we are kinda at a point where Indy = Stage 11 and they would be foolish to mess with something so widely accepted as the industry leading best product, but who knows.
[close]

Barring really early stages, I don't think so. Stage XI released in 2013 (?) Almost a decade old now...keep in mind the newer 215s and the Mids are 'classic Indy geometry' whatever stage that's supposed to represent.
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I wasn’t aware that those trucks were considered to have different geometry!

I guess it's now Legendary instead of classic (which they used at launch).

"The new MiD Forged Hollow is 50.5mm tall and built on Independent's legendary geometry with full size cushions for maximum turning action and comes in 129, 139, 144, 149, 159 sizes.'

'Maximum turning action" lolwtf


"Independent Trucks 215s feature a retro Stage 4 style single wing hanger design and are great on wider boards from 9.5 to 10.5 inches."

they don't even list a stage for the 215s...

My guess? They're just frankentruckin' the mids and 215s these days.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 13, 2022, 05:36:00 PM
Quote from: Xen on June 13, 2022, 03:35:50 PM
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Anyone heard any news about the indy stage 12s? Found Ti's on sale but dont really need new trucks just yet
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Without any source or credibility at all I'm telling you that a stage 12 is not happening in the next 5 years.
[close]

Have Indy had a truck which they have kept around for as long as the Stage 11? I feel like we are kinda at a point where Indy = Stage 11 and they would be foolish to mess with something so widely accepted as the industry leading best product, but who knows.
[close]

Barring really early stages, I don't think so. Stage XI released in 2013 (?) Almost a decade old now...keep in mind the newer 215s and the Mids are 'classic Indy geometry' whatever stage that's supposed to represent.
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I wasn’t aware that those trucks were considered to have different geometry!
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I guess it's now Legendary instead of classic (which they used at launch).

"The new MiD Forged Hollow is 50.5mm tall and built on Independent's legendary geometry with full size cushions for maximum turning action and comes in 129, 139, 144, 149, 159 sizes.'

'Maximum turning action" lolwtf


"Independent Trucks 215s feature a retro Stage 4 style single wing hanger design and are great on wider boards from 9.5 to 10.5 inches."

they don't even list a stage for the 215s...

My guess? They're just frankentruckin' the mids and 215s these days.


They definitely have different turning on the different stages of Indy, but that can also be replicated with taller or shorter bottom bushings too.

When playing around with some old stages, I could feel the difference between those and the lack of turn on Stage 9 which I was most used to before the Stage 11 came out and now pretty much all the older trucks are easily replaced with any Stage 11 truck for me.

In one experiment, even putting the 1-2 mm bit I cut off the top bushing in with the bottom bushing the trucks turned in a way smaller circle and were so much lighter feeling than with stock bushings, when swapping back and forth.


Fancy words and catch phrases aside, they are a solid truck for pretty much everything, but that is also not to say that I cannot make almost any other truck brand turn well enough that I have played around with, usually involving risers and cut up bushings on cruiser boards with big soft wheels, but as marketed by truck companies, some definitely have a more natural turn than others.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on June 13, 2022, 08:43:49 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/RjBjdZB/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CPMPDNM)

What’s going on here? What are theses horrendous trucks?

This kid rips too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ol Nick on June 13, 2022, 08:53:54 PM
Quote from: Uncle Flea on June 13, 2022, 08:43:49 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/RjBjdZB/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CPMPDNM)

What’s going on here? What are theses horrendous trucks?

This kid rips too.
That’s what happens when you put your mouth on one end of a hollow axle, plug the other end, and suck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cucktard on June 13, 2022, 10:00:02 PM
Quote from: Uncle Flea on June 13, 2022, 08:43:49 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/RjBjdZB/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CPMPDNM)

What’s going on here? What are theses horrendous trucks?

This kid rips too.

Scroll back up the thread, I think they’re the same Powell experimental trucks people have been talking about.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on June 14, 2022, 08:37:45 AM
Quote from: Uncle Flea on June 13, 2022, 08:43:49 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/RjBjdZB/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CPMPDNM)

What’s going on here? What are theses horrendous trucks?

This kid rips too.

Who is it?  Are they a Powell sponsored rider?  They do look like the SkateOne RKP trucks from that shot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jimgrude on June 15, 2022, 12:21:41 AM
I need the collective wisdom of every nerd on here that's tried the IKP JB-weld hack.

I put some titanium GK kingpins in a pair of Theeves, and did the JB-weld thing to hold the nut in place. I'd say I did a pretty good job, but I've been experiencing a weird sound coming from my trucks ever since. It's a consistent squeaking sound, not when you turn like you get from pivot cups and bushings, but one you hear the entire time while you're riding, but gets louder when turning.

I first thought it was my bearings, but I switched those, and have since gone mad switching out every component possible. It's the fucking kingpins! I took the trucks off, and sure enough the nut had wiggled loose. The JB-weld doesn't hold at all. The nut doesn't spin or hit the deck or anything though, so I'm still confused by the noise.

I don't mind a little noise coming from my trucks or wheels, but this shit makes the whole board feel sluggish, even though it isn't.

Anyone else ever experience anything like this?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on June 15, 2022, 11:01:43 AM
I used the gorilla glue epoxy from that one dude's youtube video tutorial and I mixed it and did it right, but ultimately it just made the turn shitty on my Ace classics because without a kingpin really lodged in there fully secured with the splines, or that shaft nut that Indy has in the IKP baseplates, there's too much play that reduces the true turn.. I also had a weird noise it wasn't a squeak it was more like a clicky noise. I stopped fucking with IKP stuff. If anything just get a shorter top bushing and set the nut and angle grind the kingpin down. Way better solution, imo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on June 15, 2022, 12:05:25 PM
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Did anyone ever confirm if these are some random truck brand, or is Powell Peralta actually prototyping RKP's for street?
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I think someone said they're an Aera prototype, that seems to be the most likely to me...

I found a different answer by going over to the SkateOne forum

"AnimalChin" who looks like a moderator said this on June 13 about the trucks:
"Still in testing phase but getting close. The RKP is looking really good with the feedback from our team. If I get any samples will let you know."
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on June 15, 2022, 01:48:26 PM
Quote from: MysticalTypeExperience on June 15, 2022, 12:05:25 PM
Quote from: BartHarleyJarvis on June 10, 2022, 08:26:14 AM
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Did anyone ever confirm if these are some random truck brand, or is Powell Peralta actually prototyping RKP's for street?
[close]

I think someone said they're an Aera prototype, that seems to be the most likely to me...
[close]

I found a different answer by going over to the SkateOne forum

"AnimalChin" who looks like a moderator said this on June 13 about the trucks:
"Still in testing phase but getting close. The RKP is looking really good with the feedback from our team. If I get any samples will let you know."

Aera is SkateOne, and they haven't said what this truck would be released as (Aera, Powell, MiniLogo or a new brand)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 15, 2022, 02:02:31 PM
Skateboarders are going to have a hard time accepting RKP trucks but imagine how well those grind. No more need for inverted kingpin conversions.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 15, 2022, 02:49:19 PM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on June 15, 2022, 02:02:31 PM
Skateboarders are going to have a hard time accepting RKP trucks but imagine how well those grind. No more need for inverted kingpin conversions.

They’ll need to get Kader or some shit to make these sell
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lukabrazi on June 15, 2022, 03:18:19 PM
Gonna cross post this from the Venture thread but this is what I did to lodge my kingpin nut firmly in

“Also used an easy method for getting the kingpin nut lodged in there. Put it in, set the kingpin, drill part of a small nail into the space to lodge the nut in there good , break off the end of nail so nothing is sticking out, this ensures you will not get a loose kingpin by any means and sand down on a stone or cement outside the truck if any part of the kingpin nut or screw is sticking out”

This is a good representation of what I’m talking about . Have the nut in the baseplate with the king pin screwed in holding it in place , and drill a screw into there and break off the screw with pliers and file it down (watch out when you break screw!)

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CdVmUZmlyIO/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hobochimp on June 15, 2022, 04:00:24 PM
I've been looking through the instagram account fuckwithyourtrucks a lot lately and its gotten me really curious about the whole running different branded hangars and baseplates thing. Anyone on here do this regularly? Could I put say a venture hangar on like an indy baeplate and have a venture that skates like an indy or am I just being dumb. I know compatibility is probably the main reason more people don't do this.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on June 15, 2022, 06:34:44 PM
Quote from: Ok on June 15, 2022, 02:49:19 PM
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Skateboarders are going to have a hard time accepting RKP trucks but imagine how well those grind. No more need for inverted kingpin conversions.
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They’ll need to get Kader or some shit to make these sell

They look ugly as sin. I'd rather hang up
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank on June 17, 2022, 08:47:49 AM
it might make sense for practical reasons, but rkp trucks just look wrong to me. almost unsettingly so.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on June 17, 2022, 04:16:18 PM
Yeah man I can’t smith grind anyway so I’m not gonna be messing with something as garish as that truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on June 17, 2022, 05:27:56 PM
I like that we sort of have two threads going about the same trucks and we've self sorted, this is the "I would never ride the rkp trucks" thread and the "new mini-lgo truck design" thread is like "....I'd give them a shot"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 17, 2022, 05:59:47 PM
Quote from: hobochimp on June 15, 2022, 04:00:24 PM
I've been looking through the instagram account fuckwithyourtrucks a lot lately and its gotten me really curious about the whole running different branded hangars and baseplates thing. Anyone on here do this regularly? Could I put say a venture hangar on like an indy baeplate and have a venture that skates like an indy or am I just being dumb. I know compatibility is probably the main reason more people don't do this.

Back when all the Stage 9 Indy baseplates would break so we ended up with a lot of Indy hangers, but as Thunder hangers would often break or wear out, we had a lot of Thunder baseplates, so mixing and matching just to get by was fairly common and yes it worked.

Also the bushings really do make a lot of difference, depending on the angle of the hanger, some bushings that worked in some trucks just didn't work well in others or mixes of those.

I also tried Thunder baseplates with Venture hangers more recently just for a laugh (same story, Venture baseplates broke) and that worked too - setup on a cruiser with taller bottom bushing and minimal top, those things turned really well, but on the stock Thunder bushings, they didn't skate so well.

The feel of the trucks is different, so it is not as easy as just saying you have an Indy turn, or you have a Thunder turn with which ever hanger or baseplate in use.

Messing round with a whole lot of old or spare parts, I am usually one to keep brands very specific and not mix and match, but on occasions where I have, most of the time I have ended up with a workable solution, not that I would really be keen to take these out in public on a normal board - such is my mindset on that - but it can be done.


Also that account is amazing with some of the things people have done, way beyond anything I would think to try to do, but some of the things I would definitely be afraid of messing them up too much.  Can't think of an example right this minute but if anyone hasn't seen it, it is well worth checking out.


https://www.instagram.com/fuckwithyourtrucks/

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 17, 2022, 06:11:43 PM

This was interesting to see:


https://www.instagram.com/p/CdEoVcaJ89f/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 18, 2022, 08:21:10 AM
Quote from: hobochimp on June 15, 2022, 04:00:24 PM
I've been looking through the instagram account fuckwithyourtrucks a lot lately and its gotten me really curious about the whole running different branded hangars and baseplates thing. Anyone on here do this regularly? Could I put say a venture hangar on like an indy baeplate and have a venture that skates like an indy or am I just being dumb. I know compatibility is probably the main reason more people don't do this.

I noticed on my ventures how well you can balance on manuals and pop off the pocket…..but also how on aces  the front truck is insanely tippy for nose manuals….and your front truck can pretty much swerve out of anything with no wheelbite……

Could the answer be Venture in the back, Ace in the front?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on June 18, 2022, 09:48:28 AM
I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tonitonne on June 18, 2022, 11:08:12 AM
Venture Hi's never hang up or give me issues, I find then to be the best all around stock truck. They never need different bushings or the kingpin messed with in my experiences. They also turn just fine once you break the bushings in just like any other truck, Didn't really experience the whole "ventures don't turn" thing. Thunders and Ace are also good, They could have better clearance but its whatever. The grind and turn on indys is too inconsistent these days unfortunately, some pairs skate great and some feel like cheap off brand complete trucks. Film remind me a lot of ace with how turny they are, but they are very high with better clearance then ace which is nice. Film also makes an IKP truck which is worth checking out. That being said the only trucks I continuously buy these days are ventures, and sometimes thunders when i want easier grinds. Ace is just a cruiser/slappy thing for me these days, not something i'd ride on my main setup anymore.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: switchfrontshuv on June 18, 2022, 12:14:38 PM
Quote from: tonitonne on June 18, 2022, 11:08:12 AM
Venture Hi's never hang up or give me issues, I find then to be the best all around stock truck. They never need different bushings or the kingpin messed with in my experiences. They also turn just fine once you break the bushings in just like any other truck, Didn't really experience the whole "ventures don't turn" thing. Thunders and Ace are also good, They could have better clearance but its whatever. The grind and turn on indys is too inconsistent these days unfortunately, some pairs skate great and some feel like cheap off brand complete trucks. Film remind me a lot of ace with how turny they are, but they are very high with better clearance then ace which is nice. Film also makes an IKP truck which is worth checking out. That being said the only trucks I continuously buy these days are ventures, and sometimes thunders when i want easier grinds. Ace is just a cruiser/slappy thing for me these days, not something i'd ride on my main setup anymore.

I feel like Venture stock definitely is as you say but looser (softer/lower bushings) they feel really good, almost surfy and laggy to where they feel nice to throw around for tricks and feel more comfortable for certain tricks like nollie/switch shuvs (for me). Sometimes (especially on short/short wheelbase decks) they feel too unstable and strange, almost awkward given im a bit taller and used to 14.25WB)

Either way I think the fact that the difference in pinch and grind is so available (look at Jacopo doing wild shit on aces and mellow baker boards) makes ventures a second choice for me after trying them. From my truck escapades I think thunder Hi 149 + 1/8 risers works best on 8.25 and bigger decks, because I get a similar pinch compared to venture hi (grind is definitely worse) and a deeper, extremely responsive turn, while still being tall (for big wheels) and lighter-feeling pop
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tonitonne on June 18, 2022, 01:36:16 PM
Quote from: switchfrontshuv on June 18, 2022, 12:14:38 PM
Quote from: tonitonne on June 18, 2022, 11:08:12 AM
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Venture Hi's never hang up or give me issues, I find then to be the best all around stock truck. They never need different bushings or the kingpin messed with in my experiences. They also turn just fine once you break the bushings in just like any other truck, Didn't really experience the whole "ventures don't turn" thing. Thunders and Ace are also good, They could have better clearance but its whatever. The grind and turn on indys is too inconsistent these days unfortunately, some pairs skate great and some feel like cheap off brand complete trucks. Film remind me a lot of ace with how turny they are, but they are very high with better clearance then ace which is nice. Film also makes an IKP truck which is worth checking out. That being said the only trucks I continuously buy these days are ventures, and sometimes thunders when i want easier grinds. Ace is just a cruiser/slappy thing for me these days, not something i'd ride on my main setup anymore.
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I feel like Venture stock definitely is as you say but looser (softer/lower bushings) they feel really good, almost surfy and laggy to where they feel nice to throw around for tricks and feel more comfortable for certain tricks like nollie/switch shuvs (for me). Sometimes (especially on short/short wheelbase decks) they feel too unstable and strange, almost awkward given im a bit taller and used to 14.25WB)

Either way I think the fact that the difference in pinch and grind is so available (look at Jacopo doing wild shit on aces and mellow baker boards) makes ventures a second choice for me after trying them. From my truck escapades I think thunder Hi 149 + 1/8 risers works best on 8.25 and bigger decks, because I get a similar pinch compared to venture hi (grind is definitely worse) and a deeper, extremely responsive turn, while still being tall (for big wheels) and lighter-feeling pop

I ride 1/8" riser as well with 60mm or 58mm wheels on my thunders and ventures. See I feel like ventures/thunders can make any board under 14.25 feel more stable and rideable as 14.25 is also the smallest wheelbase I'll skate as well. I had a 13.9 with aces before and that was hands down the worst feeling board I've ever owned, Threw the thunders on it and it actually felt like my skateboard and I could actually pop it. I don't know though it's all personal preference and a different tools for different jobs thing. I only skate street and I also like long feeling decks. I used to do 15+" with aces or indy for a while. Anything smaller than 14.25 always spins too fast for me and I really have to put too much thought into finessing tricks I already have muscle memory for.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FatGuy92 on June 18, 2022, 03:19:47 PM
Quote from: tonitonne on June 18, 2022, 01:36:16 PM
Quote from: switchfrontshuv on June 18, 2022, 12:14:38 PM
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Quote from: tonitonne on June 18, 2022, 11:08:12 AM
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Venture Hi's never hang up or give me issues, I find then to be the best all around stock truck. They never need different bushings or the kingpin messed with in my experiences. They also turn just fine once you break the bushings in just like any other truck, Didn't really experience the whole "ventures don't turn" thing. Thunders and Ace are also good, They could have better clearance but its whatever. The grind and turn on indys is too inconsistent these days unfortunately, some pairs skate great and some feel like cheap off brand complete trucks. Film remind me a lot of ace with how turny they are, but they are very high with better clearance then ace which is nice. Film also makes an IKP truck which is worth checking out. That being said the only trucks I continuously buy these days are ventures, and sometimes thunders when i want easier grinds. Ace is just a cruiser/slappy thing for me these days, not something i'd ride on my main setup anymore.
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I feel like Venture stock definitely is as you say but looser (softer/lower bushings) they feel really good, almost surfy and laggy to where they feel nice to throw around for tricks and feel more comfortable for certain tricks like nollie/switch shuvs (for me). Sometimes (especially on short/short wheelbase decks) they feel too unstable and strange, almost awkward given im a bit taller and used to 14.25WB)

Either way I think the fact that the difference in pinch and grind is so available (look at Jacopo doing wild shit on aces and mellow baker boards) makes ventures a second choice for me after trying them. From my truck escapades I think thunder Hi 149 + 1/8 risers works best on 8.25 and bigger decks, because I get a similar pinch compared to venture hi (grind is definitely worse) and a deeper, extremely responsive turn, while still being tall (for big wheels) and lighter-feeling pop
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I ride 1/8" riser as well with 60mm or 58mm wheels on my thunders and ventures. See I feel like ventures/thunders can make any board under 14.25 feel more stable and rideable as 14.25 is also the smallest wheelbase I'll skate as well. I had a 13.9 with aces before and that was hands down the worst feeling board I've ever owned, Threw the thunders on it and it actually felt like my skateboard and I could actually pop it. I don't know though it's all personal preference and a different tools for different jobs thing. I only skate street and I also like long feeling decks. I used to do 15+" with aces or indy for a while. Anything smaller than 14.25 always spins too fast for me and I really have to put too much thought into finessing tricks I already have muscle memory for.

Does the huge wheels + skinny trucks combo mess with your lock in on grinds?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on June 19, 2022, 11:59:21 AM
I watched the Gifted Hater truck vid with Ben Degros, and they both seem to not be a fan of the indy forged baseplate.
Anyone else share the same view, and can go deeper into why?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 19, 2022, 01:03:46 PM
Quote from: tonitonne on June 18, 2022, 11:08:12 AM
Venture Hi's never hang up or give me issues, I find then to be the best all around stock truck. They never need different bushings or the kingpin messed with in my experiences. They also turn just fine once you break the bushings in just like any other truck, Didn't really experience the whole "ventures don't turn" thing. Thunders and Ace are also good, They could have better clearance but its whatever. The grind and turn on indys is too inconsistent these days unfortunately, some pairs skate great and some feel like cheap off brand complete trucks. Film remind me a lot of ace with how turny they are, but they are very high with better clearance then ace which is nice. Film also makes an IKP truck which is worth checking out. That being said the only trucks I continuously buy these days are ventures, and sometimes thunders when i want easier grinds. Ace is just a cruiser/slappy thing for me these days, not something i'd ride on my main setup anymore.

Hard disagree on Venture which is why 90% of Venture riders on this board I know in real life run different bushings and top washer. And I don't know anyone that has an issue with a non IKP Indy in the past 4 years. I was talking with a shop owner last week and he said they can't get Ventures off the shelves and have had tons come back with crumbling bushings, bent top washer, bent axles, and generally unhappy customers. Haven't had a single issue with Chinese Indy's. This shop is fairly high volume, has been around forever, and doesn't have any sort of DLX or NHS allegiance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 19, 2022, 01:10:28 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on June 19, 2022, 01:03:46 PM
Quote from: tonitonne on June 18, 2022, 11:08:12 AM
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Venture Hi's never hang up or give me issues, I find then to be the best all around stock truck. They never need different bushings or the kingpin messed with in my experiences. They also turn just fine once you break the bushings in just like any other truck, Didn't really experience the whole "ventures don't turn" thing. Thunders and Ace are also good, They could have better clearance but its whatever. The grind and turn on indys is too inconsistent these days unfortunately, some pairs skate great and some feel like cheap off brand complete trucks. Film remind me a lot of ace with how turny they are, but they are very high with better clearance then ace which is nice. Film also makes an IKP truck which is worth checking out. That being said the only trucks I continuously buy these days are ventures, and sometimes thunders when i want easier grinds. Ace is just a cruiser/slappy thing for me these days, not something i'd ride on my main setup anymore.
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Hard disagree on Venture which is why 90% of Venture riders on this board I know in real life run different bushings and top washer. And I don't know anyone that has an issue with a non IKP Indy in the past 4 years. I was talking with a shop owner last week and he said they can't get Ventures off the shelves and have had tons come back with crumbling bushings, bent top washer, bent axles, and generally unhappy customers. Haven't had a single issue with Chinese Indy's. This shop is fairly high volume, has been around forever, and doesn't have any sort of DLX or NHS allegiance.

I’m having a hard time trying to figure out if you like Ventures or Indys…
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 19, 2022, 01:44:41 PM
I like and dislike things about both. I'm on Indy's because I do like them and I got sick of going back and forth and I want to ride a pair of trucks to the axle. Trust me there's lots of things I miss about Ventures. Overall tho I give a slight edge to Indy's for me because they tend to feel better on more of the shapes I like to skate whereas Ventures on a few select shapes are like a cheat code for specific tricks.

I'm more against saying trucks are either good or bad. They all index in certain respects and you just have to acknowledge and not make it a contest.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on June 19, 2022, 02:59:27 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on June 19, 2022, 01:44:41 PM
I like and dislike things about both. I'm on Indy's because I do like them and I got sick of going back and forth and I want to ride a pair of trucks to the axle. Trust me there's lots of things I miss about Ventures. Overall tho I give a slight edge to Indy's for me because they tend to feel better on more of the shapes I like to skate whereas Ventures on a few select shapes are like a cheat code for specific tricks.

I'm more against saying trucks are either good or bad. They all index in certain respects and you just have to acknowledge and not make it a contest.

I’m nice and deep into the front and rear axles on my Indy’s and now my goal is to crack the hanger
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 19, 2022, 06:51:19 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on June 19, 2022, 11:59:21 AM
I watched the Gifted Hater truck vid with Ben Degros, and they both seem to not be a fan of the indy forged baseplate.
Anyone else share the same view, and can go deeper into why?

Lighter (hollows) and lower than Standard Cast plate indies.

I like Indys, they're the best all purpose truck you can ride across any terrain without running into issues; the jack of all trades master of none scenario....Indys (with bones for me) and 99a spits have you covered across anything you might want to skate....that's why I dig the royals so much, they do everything indy (and thunder) do, with none of the drawbacks of either.

If ACE could just get their QC under...erm...control and get those hollows out...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 19, 2022, 08:48:13 PM
I think it's not that Ben and GH dislike the plates it's that they don't improve the truck they like and alter the feel of said truck.

I've skated every Indy and liked the forged plates for a while, but they do change the pop feel to be closer to a Thunder sorta and don't really lighten shit up quite as much as people would think. Also they can sound a bit weird/tinny and Ben seems to use that adjective a lot with trucks he doesn't like. I have noticed that very few pros ride them for whatever reason and the ones that do are usually tech dudes that now ride the Mids.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 19, 2022, 10:06:26 PM
Tinny for sure, moreso with thunders.

I’ve noticed most pros on cast too, but hey, they skate what’s free in the box.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: switchfrontshuv on June 19, 2022, 11:26:26 PM
Quote from: tonitonne on June 18, 2022, 01:36:16 PM
Quote from: switchfrontshuv on June 18, 2022, 12:14:38 PM
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Quote from: tonitonne on June 18, 2022, 11:08:12 AM
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Venture Hi's never hang up or give me issues, I find then to be the best all around stock truck. They never need different bushings or the kingpin messed with in my experiences. They also turn just fine once you break the bushings in just like any other truck, Didn't really experience the whole "ventures don't turn" thing. Thunders and Ace are also good, They could have better clearance but its whatever. The grind and turn on indys is too inconsistent these days unfortunately, some pairs skate great and some feel like cheap off brand complete trucks. Film remind me a lot of ace with how turny they are, but they are very high with better clearance then ace which is nice. Film also makes an IKP truck which is worth checking out. That being said the only trucks I continuously buy these days are ventures, and sometimes thunders when i want easier grinds. Ace is just a cruiser/slappy thing for me these days, not something i'd ride on my main setup anymore.
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I feel like Venture stock definitely is as you say but looser (softer/lower bushings) they feel really good, almost surfy and laggy to where they feel nice to throw around for tricks and feel more comfortable for certain tricks like nollie/switch shuvs (for me). Sometimes (especially on short/short wheelbase decks) they feel too unstable and strange, almost awkward given im a bit taller and used to 14.25WB)

Either way I think the fact that the difference in pinch and grind is so available (look at Jacopo doing wild shit on aces and mellow baker boards) makes ventures a second choice for me after trying them. From my truck escapades I think thunder Hi 149 + 1/8 risers works best on 8.25 and bigger decks, because I get a similar pinch compared to venture hi (grind is definitely worse) and a deeper, extremely responsive turn, while still being tall (for big wheels) and lighter-feeling pop
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I ride 1/8" riser as well with 60mm or 58mm wheels on my thunders and ventures. See I feel like ventures/thunders can make any board under 14.25 feel more stable and rideable as 14.25 is also the smallest wheelbase I'll skate as well. I had a 13.9 with aces before and that was hands down the worst feeling board I've ever owned, Threw the thunders on it and it actually felt like my skateboard and I could actually pop it. I don't know though it's all personal preference and a different tools for different jobs thing. I only skate street and I also like long feeling decks. I used to do 15+" with aces or indy for a while. Anything smaller than 14.25 always spins too fast for me and I really have to put too much thought into finessing tricks I already have muscle memory for.

makes sense. wtf you doing with 58-60mm wheels on thunders and street tho? my cap atm is 56 cant do shit after that
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 20, 2022, 05:36:46 AM

Browsing ebay and came across this set of modified Indy trucks that definitely deserve a mention here.

Could even be someone from Slap, but I have never seen this much "action" happen to any before.  Reminds me of some Grind King trucks I have sitting around, the minimal front part and inverted kingpin mainly.

Some other interesting things in their listings too.


Australian ebay link:  https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/175321627652

US / global ebay link:   https://www.ebay.com/itm/175321627652


(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/R9cAAOSwY5JiiIIu/s-l1600.jpg)

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/JsAAAOSwSgdiiIIx/s-l1600.jpg)

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/vIEAAOSwAa5iiII3/s-l1600.jpg)

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/CjwAAOSw2ZJiiIIs/s-l1600.jpg)










Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 20, 2022, 05:45:47 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on June 20, 2022, 05:36:46 AM

Browsing ebay and came across this set of modified Indy trucks that definitely deserve a mention here.

Could even be someone from Slap, but I have never seen this much "action" happen to any before.  Reminds me of some Grind King trucks I have sitting around, the minimal front part and inverted kingpin mainly.

Some other interesting things in their listings too.


Australian ebay link:  https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/175321627652

US / global ebay link:   https://www.ebay.com/itm/175321627652


what purpose does removing the corners serve? less material = less resistance = better slide?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 20, 2022, 05:57:05 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on June 20, 2022, 05:45:47 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on June 20, 2022, 05:36:46 AM
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Browsing ebay and came across this set of modified Indy trucks that definitely deserve a mention here.

Could even be someone from Slap, but I have never seen this much "action" happen to any before.  Reminds me of some Grind King trucks I have sitting around, the minimal front part and inverted kingpin mainly.

Some other interesting things in their listings too.


Australian ebay link:  https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/175321627652

US / global ebay link:   https://www.ebay.com/itm/175321627652

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what purpose does removing the corners serve? less material = less resistance = better slide?


I think that was the idea with Grind King and Destructo "Rail Killers" and some other brands as well, but it seemed more of a gimmick than serving any real purpose in helping with nose / tail slides.

Maybe somebody got Indy and wanted Grind King.  They look pretty similar now.


(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41jCnrBxBiL.jpg)


(https://media.karousell.com/media/photos/products/2019/09/17/skateboard__grind_king_trucks_75_1568694122_16ffa4a9.jpg)


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tonitonne on June 20, 2022, 09:31:18 AM
Quote from: switchfrontshuv on June 19, 2022, 11:26:26 PM
Quote from: tonitonne on June 18, 2022, 01:36:16 PM
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Quote from: switchfrontshuv on June 18, 2022, 12:14:38 PM
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Quote from: tonitonne on June 18, 2022, 11:08:12 AM
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Venture Hi's never hang up or give me issues, I find then to be the best all around stock truck. They never need different bushings or the kingpin messed with in my experiences. They also turn just fine once you break the bushings in just like any other truck, Didn't really experience the whole "ventures don't turn" thing. Thunders and Ace are also good, They could have better clearance but its whatever. The grind and turn on indys is too inconsistent these days unfortunately, some pairs skate great and some feel like cheap off brand complete trucks. Film remind me a lot of ace with how turny they are, but they are very high with better clearance then ace which is nice. Film also makes an IKP truck which is worth checking out. That being said the only trucks I continuously buy these days are ventures, and sometimes thunders when i want easier grinds. Ace is just a cruiser/slappy thing for me these days, not something i'd ride on my main setup anymore.
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I feel like Venture stock definitely is as you say but looser (softer/lower bushings) they feel really good, almost surfy and laggy to where they feel nice to throw around for tricks and feel more comfortable for certain tricks like nollie/switch shuvs (for me). Sometimes (especially on short/short wheelbase decks) they feel too unstable and strange, almost awkward given im a bit taller and used to 14.25WB)

Either way I think the fact that the difference in pinch and grind is so available (look at Jacopo doing wild shit on aces and mellow baker boards) makes ventures a second choice for me after trying them. From my truck escapades I think thunder Hi 149 + 1/8 risers works best on 8.25 and bigger decks, because I get a similar pinch compared to venture hi (grind is definitely worse) and a deeper, extremely responsive turn, while still being tall (for big wheels) and lighter-feeling pop
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I ride 1/8" riser as well with 60mm or 58mm wheels on my thunders and ventures. See I feel like ventures/thunders can make any board under 14.25 feel more stable and rideable as 14.25 is also the smallest wheelbase I'll skate as well. I had a 13.9 with aces before and that was hands down the worst feeling board I've ever owned, Threw the thunders on it and it actually felt like my skateboard and I could actually pop it. I don't know though it's all personal preference and a different tools for different jobs thing. I only skate street and I also like long feeling decks. I used to do 15+" with aces or indy for a while. Anything smaller than 14.25 always spins too fast for me and I really have to put too much thought into finessing tricks I already have muscle memory for.
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makes sense. wtf you doing with 58-60mm wheels on thunders and street tho? my cap atm is 56 cant do shit after that

Skating on the east coast, anything smaller than 56mm is impractical for skating around the city. I'm not crazy tech either just a proper popped switch/reg basics kind of person. And to the dude who asked if big wheels mess with grinds, for me no, not really a difference between a 50 50 on a rail with 54s then it is 60s. Sometimes i catch wheel on ventures on nose/tail slides but i just push through it, no different than doing them on thunders. Plus ventures and thunders are light so the heavier wheels balance everything out. Also probably worth noting I only skate conicals and OG classics.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tonitonne on June 20, 2022, 09:46:45 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on June 19, 2022, 01:03:46 PM
Quote from: tonitonne on June 18, 2022, 11:08:12 AM
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Venture Hi's never hang up or give me issues, I find then to be the best all around stock truck. They never need different bushings or the kingpin messed with in my experiences. They also turn just fine once you break the bushings in just like any other truck, Didn't really experience the whole "ventures don't turn" thing. Thunders and Ace are also good, They could have better clearance but its whatever. The grind and turn on indys is too inconsistent these days unfortunately, some pairs skate great and some feel like cheap off brand complete trucks. Film remind me a lot of ace with how turny they are, but they are very high with better clearance then ace which is nice. Film also makes an IKP truck which is worth checking out. That being said the only trucks I continuously buy these days are ventures, and sometimes thunders when i want easier grinds. Ace is just a cruiser/slappy thing for me these days, not something i'd ride on my main setup anymore.
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Hard disagree on Venture which is why 90% of Venture riders on this board I know in real life run different bushings and top washer. And I don't know anyone that has an issue with a non IKP Indy in the past 4 years. I was talking with a shop owner last week and he said they can't get Ventures off the shelves and have had tons come back with crumbling bushings, bent top washer, bent axles, and generally unhappy customers. Haven't had a single issue with Chinese Indy's. This shop is fairly high volume, has been around forever, and doesn't have any sort of DLX or NHS allegiance.

That's wild my shops highest sellers are thunder and venture. But all bushings crumble man, Ever skate any stock indy, ace, or thunder bushings for more than 6-8 months? Bent axles I have no excuse for but I'm not a big guy (only ever snapped one deck), so I've never had that happen in my life with any truck. The only trucks i've really ever ran into issues with is some pairs of newer independents. They aren't bad trucks, but the quality certainly has became way more unpredictable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 20, 2022, 12:44:43 PM
380 pages of a truck thread and we give a shit about shops?  All the answers are here! 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LewFarrell on June 21, 2022, 08:09:12 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CeFYBhmo-hL/

These guys randomly followed me on Instagram. Wild looking tucks, like someone made them on Dall.e. The hanger is half Indy half Tensor, the baseplate is grindking-esque with a built in bushing cup and bones??? Not sure what to make of it, I wonder if anyone has seen this design before as maybe it's like just a generic cheap Alibaba truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on June 21, 2022, 08:13:30 AM
Quote from: LewFarrell on June 21, 2022, 08:09:12 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CeFYBhmo-hL/

These guys randomly followed me on Instagram. Wild looking tucks, like someone made them on Dall.e. The hanger is half Indy half Tensor, the baseplate is grindking-esque with a built in bushing cup and bones??? Not sure what to make of it, I wonder if anyone has seen this design before as maybe it's like just a generic cheap Alibaba truck.

Whatever they are, they need to stop.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on June 21, 2022, 09:56:11 AM
thundependent

(https://i.ibb.co/8bWw6xD/Screen-Shot-2022-06-21-at-12-52-50-PM.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on June 21, 2022, 01:16:00 PM
Looks like Thunder is really testing IKP. Ben Degros is shredding some?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTf2iGinC2s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 21, 2022, 02:17:23 PM
Which trucks work best with mellow decks and steep decks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DarkPools on June 21, 2022, 02:24:53 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on June 21, 2022, 02:17:23 PM
Which trucks work best with mellow decks and steep decks?

If this is in reference to the kicks, I read/understood this:

Mellow = taller trucks. Indy, Venture Hi, maybe Ace

Steep = lower trucks. Thunder, Royals, Venture Lo, Ace Lo

Let's add in the space (fingers of flat) between the kick and the bolta and then more madness comes in to find the sweet spot. I'm not sure if shorter or longer WB are better for mellow or steeper kicks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 21, 2022, 05:18:55 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on June 21, 2022, 01:16:00 PM
Looks like Thunder is really testing IKP. Ben Degros is shredding some?


Nice find.

I guess it is not so much a secret as others have been seen with them, but here is a screen shot, looking pretty normal really.


(https://i.ibb.co/NnBsx9G/Thunder-IKP-tested.jpg) (https://ibb.co/S7CPNtZ)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hobochimp on June 21, 2022, 05:26:39 PM
I know I’ve seen/heard rumors of an Indy stage 12. Not sure if I believe it’s happening any time so yet, but I do have one interesting thing I’ve noticed. I don’t know his last name, Terrill J. Who skates Indy and Nike sb flow and I think FA/Hockey flow too has been skating some mysterious trucks on his stories recently. I’ve noticed them on and off and since he’s skated these mystery trucks He’s been on Indy trips so he’s still definitely on Indy. I’ll attach some screenshots and his Instagram. He doesn’t have any hard posts of him with the trucks. Just something I found interesting. Been following him for a little bit. Dude seems like he’s got a good future in skating.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbROIc_L3-Y/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

(https://i.ibb.co/z6vZ5jc/1684-AE87-C0-D7-4-A94-9-CFE-652-F2-C8-D8-BBE.png) (https://ibb.co/z6vZ5jc)(https://i.ibb.co/J56fY7k/81-B5-C182-A871-490-C-ABEE-4-AFA618-FFA06.png) (https://ibb.co/J56fY7k)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 21, 2022, 06:51:46 PM
Quote from: hobochimp on June 21, 2022, 05:26:39 PM
I know I’ve seen/heard rumors of an Indy stage 12. Not sure if I believe it’s happening any time so yet, but I do have one interesting thing I’ve noticed. I don’t know his last name, Terrill J. Who skates Indy and Nike sb flow and I think FA/Hockey flow too has been skating some mysterious trucks on his stories recently. I’ve noticed them on and off and since he’s skated these mystery trucks He’s been on Indy trips so he’s still definitely on Indy. I’ll attach some screenshots and his Instagram. He doesn’t have any hard posts of him with the trucks. Just something I found interesting. Been following him for a little bit. Dude seems like he’s got a good future in skating.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbROIc_L3-Y/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

(https://i.ibb.co/z6vZ5jc/1684-AE87-C0-D7-4-A94-9-CFE-652-F2-C8-D8-BBE.png) (https://ibb.co/z6vZ5jc)(https://i.ibb.co/J56fY7k/81-B5-C182-A871-490-C-ABEE-4-AFA618-FFA06.png) (https://ibb.co/J56fY7k)

That person does rip.
The screenshots look like a cutdown 215. Which would be sick.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 21, 2022, 09:44:52 PM
Quote from: Ok on June 21, 2022, 06:51:46 PM
Quote from: hobochimp on June 21, 2022, 05:26:39 PM
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I know I’ve seen/heard rumors of an Indy stage 12. Not sure if I believe it’s happening any time so yet, but I do have one interesting thing I’ve noticed. I don’t know his last name, Terrill J. Who skates Indy and Nike sb flow and I think FA/Hockey flow too has been skating some mysterious trucks on his stories recently. I’ve noticed them on and off and since he’s skated these mystery trucks He’s been on Indy trips so he’s still definitely on Indy. I’ll attach some screenshots and his Instagram. He doesn’t have any hard posts of him with the trucks. Just something I found interesting. Been following him for a little bit. Dude seems like he’s got a good future in skating.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbROIc_L3-Y/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

(https://i.ibb.co/z6vZ5jc/1684-AE87-C0-D7-4-A94-9-CFE-652-F2-C8-D8-BBE.png) (https://ibb.co/z6vZ5jc)(https://i.ibb.co/J56fY7k/81-B5-C182-A871-490-C-ABEE-4-AFA618-FFA06.png) (https://ibb.co/J56fY7k)
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That person does rip.
The screenshots look like a cutdown 215. Which would be sick.

Clips kinda look like an older stage?

Pics def have a 215 look to them. It's odd Indy doesn't use the 101 or 215 hanger shape for regs...unless they just don't hold up to the rigors of today's street skating? All they need to do is trim that yoke down to be competitive on weight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 22, 2022, 06:38:20 AM

Without seeing the updated replies, I was going to say the same thing.

Looks like a 215 in the build in a normal size truck width, in much the same way as some others had cut down 215s to smaller sizes, so I think if anything that might be the next stage if they did one, all in that shape.

Screenshot super close up might be a bit redundant now, but here it is anyway.


(https://i.ibb.co/D1bx9TY/Indy-screengrab-215-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D1bx9TY)



I would also refer to two pages in this thread, 89 and 335 with info and pics on 215s cut down, the video especially.  Some of you were there as well in the first round of fun on page 89.


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg2685431#msg2685431

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3535659#msg3535659

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on June 22, 2022, 06:45:10 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on June 21, 2022, 05:18:55 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on June 21, 2022, 01:16:00 PM
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Looks like Thunder is really testing IKP. Ben Degros is shredding some?

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Nice find.

I guess it is not so much a secret as others have been seen with them, but here is a screen shot, looking pretty normal really.


(https://i.ibb.co/NnBsx9G/Thunder-IKP-tested.jpg) (https://ibb.co/S7CPNtZ)

Why not just add some baseplate too and fix both of the major issues with thunders in one go? 1/8"-1/4" extra baseplate would make a world of difference. I'm slowly getting used to it on my thunders, really enjoying them otherwise. but it just seems unnecessary, serves no purpose having it so short. Is there a benefit to the short baseplate that im missing?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on June 22, 2022, 07:52:58 AM
Quote from: IpathCats on June 22, 2022, 06:45:10 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on June 21, 2022, 05:18:55 PM
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Quote from: Vintagebody on June 21, 2022, 01:16:00 PM
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Looks like Thunder is really testing IKP. Ben Degros is shredding some?

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Nice find.

I guess it is not so much a secret as others have been seen with them, but here is a screen shot, looking pretty normal really.


(https://i.ibb.co/NnBsx9G/Thunder-IKP-tested.jpg) (https://ibb.co/S7CPNtZ)
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Why not just add some baseplate too and fix both of the major issues with thunders in one go? 1/8"-1/4" extra baseplate would make a world of difference. I'm slowly getting used to it on my thunders, really enjoying them otherwise. but it just seems unnecessary, serves no purpose having it so short. Is there a benefit to the short baseplate that im missing?

Probably weight savings and also the baseplate really doesn't make a difference unless you're skating a perfect ledge. Even then a bit of wax on the side clears that up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on June 22, 2022, 08:51:04 AM
Quote from: IpathCats on June 22, 2022, 06:45:10 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on June 21, 2022, 05:18:55 PM
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Quote from: Vintagebody on June 21, 2022, 01:16:00 PM
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Looks like Thunder is really testing IKP. Ben Degros is shredding some?

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Nice find.

I guess it is not so much a secret as others have been seen with them, but here is a screen shot, looking pretty normal really.


(https://i.ibb.co/NnBsx9G/Thunder-IKP-tested.jpg) (https://ibb.co/S7CPNtZ)
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Why not just add some baseplate too and fix both of the major issues with thunders in one go? 1/8"-1/4" extra baseplate would make a world of difference. I'm slowly getting used to it on my thunders, really enjoying them otherwise. but it just seems unnecessary, serves no purpose having it so short. Is there a benefit to the short baseplate that im missing?

I would argue some people don't think it needs to be "fixed", some people prefer to slide against the wheels on thunders as opposed to against the baseplate on other trucks. Might give them more control like a powerslide. i can't relate because I suck and can't slide very well on anything, but having recently switched to thunders there was a bit of a learning curve but now i'm pretty used to it. Changing hardware can be annoying though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on June 22, 2022, 09:54:06 AM
Quote from: Xen on June 21, 2022, 09:44:52 PM
Quote from: Ok on June 21, 2022, 06:51:46 PM
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Quote from: hobochimp on June 21, 2022, 05:26:39 PM
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I know I’ve seen/heard rumors of an Indy stage 12. Not sure if I believe it’s happening any time so yet, but I do have one interesting thing I’ve noticed. I don’t know his last name, Terrill J. Who skates Indy and Nike sb flow and I think FA/Hockey flow too has been skating some mysterious trucks on his stories recently. I’ve noticed them on and off and since he’s skated these mystery trucks He’s been on Indy trips so he’s still definitely on Indy. I’ll attach some screenshots and his Instagram. He doesn’t have any hard posts of him with the trucks. Just something I found interesting. Been following him for a little bit. Dude seems like he’s got a good future in skating.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbROIc_L3-Y/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

(https://i.ibb.co/z6vZ5jc/1684-AE87-C0-D7-4-A94-9-CFE-652-F2-C8-D8-BBE.png) (https://ibb.co/z6vZ5jc)(https://i.ibb.co/J56fY7k/81-B5-C182-A871-490-C-ABEE-4-AFA618-FFA06.png) (https://ibb.co/J56fY7k)
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That person does rip.
The screenshots look like a cutdown 215. Which would be sick.
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Clips kinda look like an older stage?

Pics def have a 215 look to them. It's odd Indy doesn't use the 101 or 215 hanger shape for regs...unless they just don't hold up to the rigors of today's street skating? All they need to do is trim that yoke down to be competitive on weight.

I said fuck it and sent a DM. I’ll let you guys know if he responds.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hobochimp on June 22, 2022, 03:31:40 PM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on June 22, 2022, 09:54:06 AM
Quote from: Xen on June 21, 2022, 09:44:52 PM
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Quote from: Ok on June 21, 2022, 06:51:46 PM
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Quote from: hobochimp on June 21, 2022, 05:26:39 PM
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I know I’ve seen/heard rumors of an Indy stage 12. Not sure if I believe it’s happening any time so yet, but I do have one interesting thing I’ve noticed. I don’t know his last name, Terrill J. Who skates Indy and Nike sb flow and I think FA/Hockey flow too has been skating some mysterious trucks on his stories recently. I’ve noticed them on and off and since he’s skated these mystery trucks He’s been on Indy trips so he’s still definitely on Indy. I’ll attach some screenshots and his Instagram. He doesn’t have any hard posts of him with the trucks. Just something I found interesting. Been following him for a little bit. Dude seems like he’s got a good future in skating.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbROIc_L3-Y/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

(https://i.ibb.co/z6vZ5jc/1684-AE87-C0-D7-4-A94-9-CFE-652-F2-C8-D8-BBE.png) (https://ibb.co/z6vZ5jc)(https://i.ibb.co/J56fY7k/81-B5-C182-A871-490-C-ABEE-4-AFA618-FFA06.png) (https://ibb.co/J56fY7k)
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That person does rip.
The screenshots look like a cutdown 215. Which would be sick.
[close]

Clips kinda look like an older stage?

Pics def have a 215 look to them. It's odd Indy doesn't use the 101 or 215 hanger shape for regs...unless they just don't hold up to the rigors of today's street skating? All they need to do is trim that yoke down to be competitive on weight.
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I said fuck it and sent a DM. I’ll let you guys know if he responds.

Same here. Been a few days
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 22, 2022, 05:11:08 PM
Quote from: Xen on June 21, 2022, 09:44:52 PM
Quote from: Ok on June 21, 2022, 06:51:46 PM
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Quote from: hobochimp on June 21, 2022, 05:26:39 PM
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I know I’ve seen/heard rumors of an Indy stage 12. Not sure if I believe it’s happening any time so yet, but I do have one interesting thing I’ve noticed. I don’t know his last name, Terrill J. Who skates Indy and Nike sb flow and I think FA/Hockey flow too has been skating some mysterious trucks on his stories recently. I’ve noticed them on and off and since he’s skated these mystery trucks He’s been on Indy trips so he’s still definitely on Indy. I’ll attach some screenshots and his Instagram. He doesn’t have any hard posts of him with the trucks. Just something I found interesting. Been following him for a little bit. Dude seems like he’s got a good future in skating.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbROIc_L3-Y/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

(https://i.ibb.co/z6vZ5jc/1684-AE87-C0-D7-4-A94-9-CFE-652-F2-C8-D8-BBE.png) (https://ibb.co/z6vZ5jc)(https://i.ibb.co/J56fY7k/81-B5-C182-A871-490-C-ABEE-4-AFA618-FFA06.png) (https://ibb.co/J56fY7k)
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That person does rip.
The screenshots look like a cutdown 215. Which would be sick.
[close]

Clips kinda look like an older stage?

Pics def have a 215 look to them. It's odd Indy doesn't use the 101 or 215 hanger shape for regs...unless they just don't hold up to the rigors of today's street skating? All they need to do is trim that yoke down to be competitive on weight.

Agree clips look like an older indy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 22, 2022, 06:16:41 PM
Whatever trucks he's on appear to be working very well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on June 22, 2022, 11:03:18 PM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on June 22, 2022, 06:16:41 PM
Whatever trucks he's on appear to be working very well.

When that person is skating, they make it look very good. Very good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on June 23, 2022, 10:31:19 AM
Quote from: BartHarleyJarvis on June 22, 2022, 08:51:04 AM

I would argue some people don't think it needs to be "fixed", some people prefer to slide against the wheels on thunders as opposed to against the baseplate on other trucks. Might give them more control like a powerslide. i can't relate because I suck and can't slide very well on anything, but having recently switched to thunders there was a bit of a learning curve but now i'm pretty used to it. Changing hardware can be annoying though.

I've never heard anyone say they prefer it. Only that its manageable, which it is. It's not a deal breaker, I just dont understand why they wouldnt want to improve it. unless there is a silent thunder majority out there who loves waxing the side of ledges and having to try harder for nose/tail slides.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on June 23, 2022, 11:46:23 AM
Quote from: IpathCats on June 23, 2022, 10:31:19 AM
Quote from: BartHarleyJarvis on June 22, 2022, 08:51:04 AM
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I would argue some people don't think it needs to be "fixed", some people prefer to slide against the wheels on thunders as opposed to against the baseplate on other trucks. Might give them more control like a powerslide. i can't relate because I suck and can't slide very well on anything, but having recently switched to thunders there was a bit of a learning curve but now i'm pretty used to it. Changing hardware can be annoying though.
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I've never heard anyone say they prefer it. Only that its manageable, which it is. It's not a deal breaker, I just dont understand why they wouldnt want to improve it. unless there is a silent thunder majority out there who loves waxing the side of ledges and having to try harder for nose/tail slides.

I prefer it honestly. It feels more consistent to me.  I just hate wheelbite otherwise I would probably stick with thunder.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on June 23, 2022, 11:56:39 AM
Quote from: Paperclip20 on June 23, 2022, 11:46:23 AM
Quote from: IpathCats on June 23, 2022, 10:31:19 AM
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Quote from: BartHarleyJarvis on June 22, 2022, 08:51:04 AM
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I would argue some people don't think it needs to be "fixed", some people prefer to slide against the wheels on thunders as opposed to against the baseplate on other trucks. Might give them more control like a powerslide. i can't relate because I suck and can't slide very well on anything, but having recently switched to thunders there was a bit of a learning curve but now i'm pretty used to it. Changing hardware can be annoying though.
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I've never heard anyone say they prefer it. Only that its manageable, which it is. It's not a deal breaker, I just dont understand why they wouldnt want to improve it. unless there is a silent thunder majority out there who loves waxing the side of ledges and having to try harder for nose/tail slides.
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I prefer it honestly. It feels more consistent to me.  I just hate wheelbite otherwise I would probably stick with thunder.

Paperclip just said it. Also Ishod I think.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on June 23, 2022, 11:58:50 AM
Quote from: BartHarleyJarvis on June 23, 2022, 11:56:39 AM
Quote from: Paperclip20 on June 23, 2022, 11:46:23 AM
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Quote from: IpathCats on June 23, 2022, 10:31:19 AM
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Quote from: BartHarleyJarvis on June 22, 2022, 08:51:04 AM
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I would argue some people don't think it needs to be "fixed", some people prefer to slide against the wheels on thunders as opposed to against the baseplate on other trucks. Might give them more control like a powerslide. i can't relate because I suck and can't slide very well on anything, but having recently switched to thunders there was a bit of a learning curve but now i'm pretty used to it. Changing hardware can be annoying though.
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I've never heard anyone say they prefer it. Only that its manageable, which it is. It's not a deal breaker, I just dont understand why they wouldnt want to improve it. unless there is a silent thunder majority out there who loves waxing the side of ledges and having to try harder for nose/tail slides.
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I prefer it honestly. It feels more consistent to me.  I just hate wheelbite otherwise I would probably stick with thunder.
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Paperclip just said it. Also Ishod I think.

well color me surprised. I'm an ishod stan, not aware of him saying it though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tom on June 23, 2022, 12:04:31 PM
I think it comes down to what you’re actually trying to slide across. I definitely slide my baseplates on noseslides and tailslides
(https://i.ibb.co/G7LhFXy/2-CC0662-C-919-B-4790-9-B6-B-79-C4179-CCD3-B.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/3mL5zZM/D2-C081-A8-E161-4-EC4-BB92-7-FC3-F1818946.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: camel filters on June 23, 2022, 12:11:25 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52168105981_8076383ebc_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ntVbp8)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2ntVbp8) by  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/162334525@N08/)
I literally never even thought about thunder baseplates inhibiting contact with the ledge. Here is mine and I don't really tail/nose slide rails except for the occasional blunt. Mostly ledges of all types, sharp corners, rounded, etc. Don't notice a difference. Skating aces now and also not noticing anything different with slides. I can also just be clueless. My most used wheels with these were 54mm conical fulls.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on June 23, 2022, 12:23:15 PM
Quote from: camel filters on June 23, 2022, 12:11:25 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52168105981_8076383ebc_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ntVbp8)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2ntVbp8) by  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/162334525@N08/)
I literally never even thought about thunder baseplates inhibiting contact with the ledge. Here is mine and I don't really tail/nose slide rails except for the occasional blunt. Mostly ledges of all types, sharp corners, rounded, etc. Don't notice a difference. Skating aces now and also not noticing anything different with slides. I can also just be clueless. My most used wheels with these were 54mm conical fulls.

I do lots of nose/tail/blunt slides. its def a factor. I have marks on my thunder baseplates too. again, its not a deal breaker, and the tradeoffs are worth it to me, im skating well on these thunders lately. The trick i notice it MOST on is bluntslides on rails. all you hear are wheel sounds on thunder. on venture/ace/indy/lurp you could really get right on that baseplate and get some serious distance, and it sounded like a grind, all baseplate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: camel filters on June 23, 2022, 12:29:32 PM
Quote from: IpathCats on June 23, 2022, 12:23:15 PM
Quote from: camel filters on June 23, 2022, 12:11:25 PM
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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52168105981_8076383ebc_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ntVbp8)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2ntVbp8) by  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/162334525@N08/)
I literally never even thought about thunder baseplates inhibiting contact with the ledge. Here is mine and I don't really tail/nose slide rails except for the occasional blunt. Mostly ledges of all types, sharp corners, rounded, etc. Don't notice a difference. Skating aces now and also not noticing anything different with slides. I can also just be clueless. My most used wheels with these were 54mm conical fulls.
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I do lots of nose/tail/blunt slides. its def a factor. I have marks on my thunder baseplates too. again, its not a deal breaker, and the tradeoffs are worth it to me, im skating well on these thunders lately. The trick i notice it MOST on is bluntslides on rails. all you hear are wheel sounds on thunder. on venture/ace/indy/lurp you could really get right on that baseplate and get some serious distance, and it sounded like a grind, all baseplate.
Ok yeah I think its my lack of awareness. I don't think they will do anything about it though. I would be down for the tweak but the investment vs new customers gained probably wouldn't be significant enough for dlx.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 23, 2022, 05:00:21 PM

Sure some people want the Thunder baseplates extended, but the guys that ride them professionally seem to be happy with them just the way they are and if you change something they have been used to for a long time, then things get really weird all round.

From that perspective, I would say there is definitely not going to be a change in the length of the Thunder baseplates any time soon, especially if what had been rumour of Ishod testing some new versions but liking the regular ones more was true, but that was more speculation I think.


Everyone can choose which trucks they like to ride too, but I can understand some people like the feel of Thunder but want a longer baseplate.  Not much to really do about it other than weld some extra metal on if you are so keen.  That would be an interesting post on Fuckwithyourtrucks instagram account.

https://www.instagram.com/fuckwithyourtrucks/

* Just in case anyone hadn't seen it.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on June 23, 2022, 06:27:47 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on June 23, 2022, 05:00:21 PM

Everyone can choose which trucks they like to ride too, but I can understand some people like the feel of Thunder but want a longer baseplate.  Not much to really do about it other than weld some extra metal on if you are so keen.  That would be an interesting post on Fuckwithyourtrucks instagram account.

https://www.instagram.com/fuckwithyourtrucks/

* Just in case anyone hadn't seen it.

From this a new standard of madness will emerge
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: juniormint on June 23, 2022, 06:49:59 PM
Quote from: Paperclip20 on June 23, 2022, 11:46:23 AM
Quote from: IpathCats on June 23, 2022, 10:31:19 AM
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Quote from: BartHarleyJarvis on June 22, 2022, 08:51:04 AM
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I would argue some people don't think it needs to be "fixed", some people prefer to slide against the wheels on thunders as opposed to against the baseplate on other trucks. Might give them more control like a powerslide. i can't relate because I suck and can't slide very well on anything, but having recently switched to thunders there was a bit of a learning curve but now i'm pretty used to it. Changing hardware can be annoying though.
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I've never heard anyone say they prefer it. Only that its manageable, which it is. It's not a deal breaker, I just dont understand why they wouldnt want to improve it. unless there is a silent thunder majority out there who loves waxing the side of ledges and having to try harder for nose/tail slides.
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I prefer it honestly. It feels more consistent to me.  I just hate wheelbite otherwise I would probably stick with thunder.

Agreed. I don’t think it’s a problem, I find it advantageous.  Feels like it “locks in” better on slides for me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on June 23, 2022, 07:13:58 PM
What's the take on the Forged Mid Indys? Haven't ridden Indys in over 2 years because of the weight, but this could be interesting at 50.5mm. Not a fan of the IKP, they just never remain tight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on June 23, 2022, 10:47:05 PM
It's not like Indy's remove any possibility of sticking. I just got my forged indy's, so gonne be fun to see if it cures my truck madness. It does seem like I get less hangups from smiths/feebles with Indy's, and they somewhat appear to have a lower kingpin then Thunder? The bushings are also way softer, so I actually have to tighten the kingpin nut, which I guess give some extra margin for error.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 23, 2022, 11:02:28 PM
I was thinking the forged mids and a krux or that seat bolt set up.  I think you could just lock tite no? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on June 24, 2022, 01:28:24 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on June 23, 2022, 11:02:28 PM
I was thinking the forged mids and a krux or that seat bolt set up.  I think you could just lock tite no?

I used some super glue on the nut at the bottom of the baseplate, not sure if they got looser as I skated or were always that loose and I haven't ridden them in a while. I'll find out tomorrow when I get a full session in, if I have to tighten mid session I'll know its the nut getting loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on June 24, 2022, 04:17:40 AM
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I was thinking the forged mids and a krux or that seat bolt set up.  I think you could just lock tite no?
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I used some super glue on the nut at the bottom of the baseplate, not sure if they got looser as I skated or were always that loose and I haven't ridden them in a while. I'll find out tomorrow when I get a full session in, if I have to tighten mid session I'll know its the nut getting loose.

Even if the nut is glued in place, the extra space between the threads and the baseplate (as opposed to just a straight pressed kingpin) allows for some slight movement, over time this causes ikp trucks to loosen. Loctite will prevent this, it's used on cars where the weight/force/frequency of vibration is much higher. Loctite is designed to prevent things from vibrating loose. Blue will work for a while if you don't fuck with your trucks after applying, red will work basically indefinitely, but will be harder to remove, you'll need to dial your tightness in quickly before it hardens.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 24, 2022, 05:11:45 AM

A set of the inverted kingpin Indys seemed to work well (and not loosen off at all) when I had the kingpin down as far into it as it would go, which was ok as the bushings were pretty much how I skated them anyway.

Other people I know seem to have had no end of trouble with the inverted kingpin assembly though, with the kingpin nut coming loose in the shaft, the kingpin not staying in place and one guy having to loosen off the kingpin to get the bushings right so it was almost out too far and sat up too high.

Thinking the right bushings with the kingpin down hard might be the answer, but it might be a struggle for some people to get it just right with the right bushings too.


I also tried (with success) two other options of kingpins, both with longer threads, so I could get it down lower and both stayed in place as well.  They were old kingpins from Krux and Silver trucks, which had way more threads down the kingpins than the current Indy or some other brands do, so I am thinking that might be the best option to find other inverted kingpins to use in them, for people who can't get the Indy ones down far enough.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on June 24, 2022, 05:32:29 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on June 24, 2022, 05:11:45 AM

A set of the inverted kingpin Indys seemed to work well (and not loosen off at all) when I had the kingpin down as far into it as it would go, which was ok as the bushings were pretty much how I skated them anyway.

Other people I know seem to have had no end of trouble with the inverted kingpin assembly though, with the kingpin nut coming loose in the shaft, the kingpin not staying in place and one guy having to loosen off the kingpin to get the bushings right so it was almost out too far and sat up too high.

Thinking the right bushings with the kingpin down hard might be the answer, but it might be a struggle for some people to get it just right with the right bushings too.


I also tried (with success) two other options of kingpins, both with longer threads, so I could get it down lower and both stayed in place as well.  They were old kingpins from Krux and Silver trucks, which had way more threads down the kingpins than the current Indy or some other brands do, so I am thinking that might be the best option to find other inverted kingpins to use in them, for people who can't get the Indy ones down far enough.

if you have it cranked as far as the threads will allow the non threaded part of the kingpin is what is making contact with the baseplate at that point so there would be far less wiggle room. makes sense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on June 24, 2022, 06:28:47 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on June 18, 2022, 09:48:28 AM
I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.

See this. Not a fan of this dudes vibe. Feel like I am getting cyberbullied when I look at his posts.

"NO COMMENTS OR ELSE!" b/w "TELL ME WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING AND HOW MUCH YOU MAKE IN THE COMMENTS, GO!!!"

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on June 24, 2022, 06:35:37 AM
Quote from: Ronnie Rodriguez on June 24, 2022, 06:28:47 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on June 18, 2022, 09:48:28 AM
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I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.
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See this. Not a fan of this dudes vibe. Feel like I am getting cyberbullied when I look at his posts.

"NO COMMENTS OR ELSE!" b/w "TELL ME WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING AND HOW MUCH YOU MAKE IN THE COMMENTS, GO!!!"

This dude is insane. He just blocked me for respectfully asking why he thinks that grinding off material waayyy above the pivot changes the stability of a truck in any way whatsoever (instead of just making it easier to bend the axle...). Basically all the comments were asking the same thing and he just couldn't give an answer that made any sense, but he's 100% sure he's right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on June 24, 2022, 06:37:58 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on June 24, 2022, 06:35:37 AM
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I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.
[close]

See this. Not a fan of this dudes vibe. Feel like I am getting cyberbullied when I look at his posts.

"NO COMMENTS OR ELSE!" b/w "TELL ME WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING AND HOW MUCH YOU MAKE IN THE COMMENTS, GO!!!"
[close]

This dude is insane. He just blocked me for respectfully asking why he thinks that grinding off material waayyy above the pivot changes the stability of a truck in any way whatsoever (instead of just making it easier to bend the axle...). Basically all the comments were asking the same thing and he just couldn't give an answer that made any sense, but he's 100% sure he's right.

lol this guy sounds like madness incarnate. Good troll opportunity if he doesnt just block you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on June 24, 2022, 10:39:20 AM
Quote from: Ronnie Rodriguez on June 24, 2022, 06:28:47 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on June 18, 2022, 09:48:28 AM
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I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.
[close]

See this. Not a fan of this dudes vibe. Feel like I am getting cyberbullied when I look at his posts.

"NO COMMENTS OR ELSE!" b/w "TELL ME WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING AND HOW MUCH YOU MAKE IN THE COMMENTS, GO!!!"

It's a very minor thing, but he was making posts *all the time* about how skate shops would rather just sell you new trucks rather than replace a broken kingpin. I don't know if that's true where he is, maybe it is, but both of my local shops sells kingpins, pivots cups, etc. But also what do you expect shops to do? Buy a $500 arbor press and install it for you? Get real, it's a fucking retail operation, not a machine shop.

I've never see his "what do you do for a living" comments but that's rich. I'm looking at his page now and Jesus what a vain asshole.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on June 24, 2022, 10:40:18 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on June 24, 2022, 06:35:37 AM
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I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.
[close]

See this. Not a fan of this dudes vibe. Feel like I am getting cyberbullied when I look at his posts.

"NO COMMENTS OR ELSE!" b/w "TELL ME WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING AND HOW MUCH YOU MAKE IN THE COMMENTS, GO!!!"
[close]

This dude is insane. He just blocked me for respectfully asking why he thinks that grinding off material waayyy above the pivot changes the stability of a truck in any way whatsoever (instead of just making it easier to bend the axle...). Basically all the comments were asking the same thing and he just couldn't give an answer that made any sense, but he's 100% sure he's right.

This one is baffling to me, and you see it a lot. Does no one know what a fulcrum is, how it works?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ol Nick on June 24, 2022, 11:23:11 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on June 24, 2022, 10:40:18 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on June 24, 2022, 06:35:37 AM
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I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.
[close]

See this. Not a fan of this dudes vibe. Feel like I am getting cyberbullied when I look at his posts.

"NO COMMENTS OR ELSE!" b/w "TELL ME WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING AND HOW MUCH YOU MAKE IN THE COMMENTS, GO!!!"
[close]

This dude is insane. He just blocked me for respectfully asking why he thinks that grinding off material waayyy above the pivot changes the stability of a truck in any way whatsoever (instead of just making it easier to bend the axle...). Basically all the comments were asking the same thing and he just couldn't give an answer that made any sense, but he's 100% sure he's right.
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This one is baffling to me, and you see it a lot. Does no one know what a fulcrum is, how it works?
I’ve seen that post a few times and at least one person question it; my best guess has been that it’s in reference to how truck companies gradually filled out or better braced the hanger at the center and by reverting trucks to a less beefy profile, they behave more like older, less-stable trucks. I came up after trucks had started to beef up in the 80s so I don’t have much of a reference point for how trucks felt before then.
I disagree with the stance that it’s not acceptable to ask why, especially given that those are not reposts of other accounts but seemingly original content, but I can understand that maybe it’s difficult for him to explain and that trying it yourself might be necessary. Definitely a weird vibe from his posts and comments but it’s way more interesting to me than the typical generic “skate” accounts just reposting bangers with no credit and a sea of hashtags.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on June 24, 2022, 11:49:51 AM
Quote from: Ol Nick on June 24, 2022, 11:23:11 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on June 24, 2022, 10:40:18 AM
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I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.
[close]

See this. Not a fan of this dudes vibe. Feel like I am getting cyberbullied when I look at his posts.

"NO COMMENTS OR ELSE!" b/w "TELL ME WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING AND HOW MUCH YOU MAKE IN THE COMMENTS, GO!!!"
[close]

This dude is insane. He just blocked me for respectfully asking why he thinks that grinding off material waayyy above the pivot changes the stability of a truck in any way whatsoever (instead of just making it easier to bend the axle...). Basically all the comments were asking the same thing and he just couldn't give an answer that made any sense, but he's 100% sure he's right.
[close]

This one is baffling to me, and you see it a lot. Does no one know what a fulcrum is, how it works?
[close]
I’ve seen that post a few times and at least one person question it; my best guess has been that it’s in reference to how truck companies gradually filled out or better braced the hanger at the center and by reverting trucks to a less beefy profile, they behave more like older, less-stable trucks. I came up after trucks had started to beef up in the 80s so I don’t have much of a reference point for how trucks felt before then.
I disagree with the stance that it’s not acceptable to ask why, especially given that those are not reposts of other accounts but seemingly original content, but I can understand that maybe it’s difficult for him to explain and that trying it yourself might be necessary. Definitely a weird vibe from his posts and comments but it’s way more interesting to me than the typical generic “skate” accounts just reposting bangers with no credit and a sea of hashtags.

But that feeling came from changes in the geometry of the truck. Regardless of how beefy or dainty the hanger is, it has no effect on its turning characteristics. I feel #fuckwithyourtrucks conflates structural stability with turning stability. He also posted a photo of my trucks on his Instagram, and I'd rather he didn't.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on June 24, 2022, 11:55:17 AM
I guess I know who to block. Don't want mine reposted either.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on June 24, 2022, 12:45:11 PM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on June 24, 2022, 11:49:51 AM
Quote from: Ol Nick on June 24, 2022, 11:23:11 AM
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I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.
[close]

See this. Not a fan of this dudes vibe. Feel like I am getting cyberbullied when I look at his posts.

"NO COMMENTS OR ELSE!" b/w "TELL ME WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING AND HOW MUCH YOU MAKE IN THE COMMENTS, GO!!!"
[close]

This dude is insane. He just blocked me for respectfully asking why he thinks that grinding off material waayyy above the pivot changes the stability of a truck in any way whatsoever (instead of just making it easier to bend the axle...). Basically all the comments were asking the same thing and he just couldn't give an answer that made any sense, but he's 100% sure he's right.
[close]

This one is baffling to me, and you see it a lot. Does no one know what a fulcrum is, how it works?
[close]
I’ve seen that post a few times and at least one person question it; my best guess has been that it’s in reference to how truck companies gradually filled out or better braced the hanger at the center and by reverting trucks to a less beefy profile, they behave more like older, less-stable trucks. I came up after trucks had started to beef up in the 80s so I don’t have much of a reference point for how trucks felt before then.
I disagree with the stance that it’s not acceptable to ask why, especially given that those are not reposts of other accounts but seemingly original content, but I can understand that maybe it’s difficult for him to explain and that trying it yourself might be necessary. Definitely a weird vibe from his posts and comments but it’s way more interesting to me than the typical generic “skate” accounts just reposting bangers with no credit and a sea of hashtags.
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But that feeling came from changes in the geometry of the truck. Regardless of how beefy or dainty the hanger is, it has no effect on its turning characteristics. I feel #fuckwithyourtrucks conflates structural stability with turning stability. He also posted a photo of my trucks on his Instagram, and I'd rather he didn't.

It may have been me. I used to have one of your inverted kingpin mods bookmarked on my old account and may (or may not) have shared it in a moment of over-enthusiasm before I realized that guy kinda sucks.

So if I did do it, I'm sorry. and if I didn't, I'm still sorry.

Quote from: manysnakes on June 24, 2022, 10:39:20 AM
Quote from: Ronnie Rodriguez on June 24, 2022, 06:28:47 AM
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Quote from: manysnakes on June 18, 2022, 09:48:28 AM
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I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.
[close]

See this. Not a fan of this dudes vibe. Feel like I am getting cyberbullied when I look at his posts.

"NO COMMENTS OR ELSE!" b/w "TELL ME WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING AND HOW MUCH YOU MAKE IN THE COMMENTS, GO!!!"
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It's a very minor thing, but he was making posts *all the time* about how skate shops would rather just sell you new trucks rather than replace a broken kingpin. I don't know if that's true where he is, maybe it is, but both of my local shops sells kingpins, pivots cups, etc. But also what do you expect shops to do? Buy a $500 arbor press and install it for you? Get real, it's a fucking retail operation, not a machine shop.

I've never see his "what do you do for a living" comments but that's rich. I'm looking at his page now and Jesus what a vain asshole.

Yeah, not in Insta these days but he seemed to love to talk about shops not doing their part by fixing gear. I was probably hyperbolic about the jobs thing, but I do remember him either being like "No comments, you guys are mean" or asking some weirdly personal shit.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dwyck on June 24, 2022, 12:52:44 PM
He turned the comments off once after a long post about how kids that flip Conical Fulls are dumb because you're not riding the intended shape. Which did not make sense for a guy that advocates mucking about with all sorts of truck geometry that designers never intended
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on June 24, 2022, 01:01:46 PM
Quote from: Ronnie Rodriguez on June 24, 2022, 12:45:11 PM
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Quote from: Ol Nick on June 24, 2022, 11:23:11 AM
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I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.
[close]

See this. Not a fan of this dudes vibe. Feel like I am getting cyberbullied when I look at his posts.

"NO COMMENTS OR ELSE!" b/w "TELL ME WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING AND HOW MUCH YOU MAKE IN THE COMMENTS, GO!!!"
[close]

This dude is insane. He just blocked me for respectfully asking why he thinks that grinding off material waayyy above the pivot changes the stability of a truck in any way whatsoever (instead of just making it easier to bend the axle...). Basically all the comments were asking the same thing and he just couldn't give an answer that made any sense, but he's 100% sure he's right.
[close]

This one is baffling to me, and you see it a lot. Does no one know what a fulcrum is, how it works?
[close]
I’ve seen that post a few times and at least one person question it; my best guess has been that it’s in reference to how truck companies gradually filled out or better braced the hanger at the center and by reverting trucks to a less beefy profile, they behave more like older, less-stable trucks. I came up after trucks had started to beef up in the 80s so I don’t have much of a reference point for how trucks felt before then.
I disagree with the stance that it’s not acceptable to ask why, especially given that those are not reposts of other accounts but seemingly original content, but I can understand that maybe it’s difficult for him to explain and that trying it yourself might be necessary. Definitely a weird vibe from his posts and comments but it’s way more interesting to me than the typical generic “skate” accounts just reposting bangers with no credit and a sea of hashtags.
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But that feeling came from changes in the geometry of the truck. Regardless of how beefy or dainty the hanger is, it has no effect on its turning characteristics. I feel #fuckwithyourtrucks conflates structural stability with turning stability. He also posted a photo of my trucks on his Instagram, and I'd rather he didn't.
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It may have been me. I used to have one of your inverted kingpin mods bookmarked on my old account and may (or may not) have shared it in a moment of over-enthusiasm before I realized that guy kinda sucks.

So if I did do it, I'm sorry. and if I didn't, I'm still sorry.

Haha, it's all good. It just made for an awkward conversation at the park once because I had no clue what "hashtag fuck with your trucks" was. I thought the dude was fucking with me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on June 24, 2022, 01:42:31 PM
The weird thing is that I don’t think he gets a lot of negative comments, but if any one person gives him pushback or disagrees he apparently freaks out and blocks them then disables comments.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 24, 2022, 02:39:54 PM
Truck madness is the only explanation…..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 24, 2022, 05:20:18 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on June 24, 2022, 01:42:31 PM
The weird thing is that I don’t think he gets a lot of negative comments, but if any one person gives him pushback or disagrees he apparently freaks out and blocks them then disables comments.


I only looked and never commented, even when he had asked for feedback, but the one thing I always notice is most (if not all) content is from others, so when people keep asking him about it, he is probably getting sick of it.  No excuse to be a dick to anyone about it though, but at least now he credits the person he got it from, so others can direct their questions to that individual, rather than his post.

Maybe I am more of a helper at heart, so would always be a little more keen to explain and inform others with any modifications I make or do, but I guess if you want to run an instagram account like that, you have to be willing to take the good and the bad feedback and the million questions that go with it.


Quote from: Ronnie Rodriguez on June 24, 2022, 12:45:11 PM


As far as shops selling whatever they can, I have seen it time and time again where people are forced to buy a new set of trucks for something as simple as a broken kingpin as they either flatly refuse to help or don't have the tools for the job.  I know the last Indy forged baseplate with hollow kingpin was such a mission to get out, the baseplate was broken and done by the time it came out, so there was not a whole lot that could be done anyway.  Luckily I had a spare old baseplate with intact kingpin handy and it was a good customer, so that wasn't such a big deal for me, but I draw the line at removing griptape if it is not the easy peel type stuff.

Give them the tools to try, or tell them how to do it and let them deal with it, but if they can't sort it out, then buying new whatever is about the only other way to keep them rolling.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sativa Lung on June 24, 2022, 05:58:44 PM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on June 24, 2022, 11:49:51 AM

But that feeling came from changes in the geometry of the truck. Regardless of how beefy or dainty the hanger is, it has no effect on its turning characteristics. I feel #fuckwithyourtrucks conflates structural stability with turning stability. He also posted a photo of my trucks on his Instagram, and I'd rather he didn't.

So just to be a stoned contrarian I taped 50g weights to my hanger in various places to see if it made a difference. If removing mass dramatically affects the turn then surely adding it would do the same, right?

No discernible difference in the turn. Don't even notice the extra weight unless you pop.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ol Nick on June 24, 2022, 08:53:28 PM
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on June 24, 2022, 05:58:44 PM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on June 24, 2022, 11:49:51 AM
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But that feeling came from changes in the geometry of the truck. Regardless of how beefy or dainty the hanger is, it has no effect on its turning characteristics. I feel #fuckwithyourtrucks conflates structural stability with turning stability. He also posted a photo of my trucks on his Instagram, and I'd rather he didn't.
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So just to be a stoned contrarian I taped 50g weights to my hanger in various places to see if it made a difference. If removing mass dramatically affects the turn then surely adding it would do the same, right?

No discernible difference in the turn. Don't even notice the extra weight unless you pop.
Maybe it’s just the thrill of not knowing when your hanger is gonna give out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 28, 2022, 02:55:49 PM
I dunno where to post this and keep in mind this is approximate.

I put my magnetic angle gauge on the kingpin of each truck and then attached it to a thick steel rule and measured what I am calling the yoke angle, which is the center of the pivot nub to center of the axle.

Royal 144 raw: kingpin 15, yoke 20
Venture cast 144: kingpin 20, yoke 20
Thunder cast 148: kingpin 20, yoke 15
Indy Standard cast 144: kingpin 16, yoke 20

So I'm missing a lot of trucks, but this kinda explains why Royals and Indy's feel so close and why Thunder have so much twitch. I think the steeper yoke angle means a longer carve? Totally beyond my geometry knowledge. We do know that the Royal bottom bushing is taller than Indy, which might push the hanger up slightly.

One thing I found interesting is the nub angle position relative to the axle. So on most trucks the nub angle isn't the same as what I measured above which is just from axle to bottom of nub. The nub itself is like part of the hanger and then the hanger angles after it.

For Venture and Royal the nub angle is slightly in front of the axle (towards kingpin). On Thunder it is slightly behind the axle (towards the baseplate). On Indy it is precisely in the middle. I could be full of shit and I'm not an engineer but I wonder if that is why Royals and Ventures have a bit more on center stability before they arc and why Thunders are known for twitching?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on June 29, 2022, 03:58:24 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on June 28, 2022, 02:55:49 PM
I dunno where to post this and keep in mind this is approximate.

I put my magnetic angle gauge on the kingpin of each truck and then attached it to a thick steel rule and measured what I am calling the yoke angle, which is the center of the pivot nub to center of the axle.

Royal 144 raw: kingpin 15, yoke 20
Venture cast 144: kingpin 20, yoke 20
Thunder cast 148: kingpin 20, yoke 15
Indy Standard cast 144: kingpin 16, yoke 20

So I'm missing a lot of trucks, but this kinda explains why Royals and Indy's feel so close and why Thunder have so much twitch. I think the steeper yoke angle means a longer carve? Totally beyond my geometry knowledge. We do know that the Royal bottom bushing is taller than Indy, which might push the hanger up slightly.

One thing I found interesting is the nub angle position relative to the axle. So on most trucks the nub angle isn't the same as what I measured above which is just from axle to bottom of nub. The nub itself is like part of the hanger and then the hanger angles after it.

For Venture and Royal the nub angle is slightly in front of the axle (towards kingpin). On Thunder it is slightly behind the axle (towards the baseplate). On Indy it is precisely in the middle. I could be full of shit and I'm not an engineer but I wonder if that is why Royals and Ventures have a bit more on center stability before they arc and why Thunders are known for twitching?

Mad, but also interesting, so thanks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on June 29, 2022, 04:34:18 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on June 28, 2022, 02:55:49 PM
I dunno where to post this and keep in mind this is approximate.

I put my magnetic angle gauge on the kingpin of each truck and then attached it to a thick steel rule and measured what I am calling the yoke angle, which is the center of the pivot nub to center of the axle.

Royal 144 raw: kingpin 15, yoke 20
Venture cast 144: kingpin 20, yoke 20
Thunder cast 148: kingpin 20, yoke 15
Indy Standard cast 144: kingpin 16, yoke 20

So I'm missing a lot of trucks, but this kinda explains why Royals and Indy's feel so close and why Thunder have so much twitch. I think the steeper yoke angle means a longer carve? Totally beyond my geometry knowledge. We do know that the Royal bottom bushing is taller than Indy, which might push the hanger up slightly.

One thing I found interesting is the nub angle position relative to the axle. So on most trucks the nub angle isn't the same as what I measured above which is just from axle to bottom of nub. The nub itself is like part of the hanger and then the hanger angles after it.

For Venture and Royal the nub angle is slightly in front of the axle (towards kingpin). On Thunder it is slightly behind the axle (towards the baseplate). On Indy it is precisely in the middle. I could be full of shit and I'm not an engineer but I wonder if that is why Royals and Ventures have a bit more on center stability before they arc and why Thunders are known for twitching?

Papa Ben Degros would be proud.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on June 29, 2022, 05:14:32 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on June 28, 2022, 02:55:49 PM
I dunno where to post this and keep in mind this is approximate.

I put my magnetic angle gauge on the kingpin of each truck and then attached it to a thick steel rule and measured what I am calling the yoke angle, which is the center of the pivot nub to center of the axle.

Royal 144 raw: kingpin 15, yoke 20
Venture cast 144: kingpin 20, yoke 20
Thunder cast 148: kingpin 20, yoke 15
Indy Standard cast 144: kingpin 16, yoke 20

So I'm missing a lot of trucks, but this kinda explains why Royals and Indy's feel so close and why Thunder have so much twitch. I think the steeper yoke angle means a longer carve? Totally beyond my geometry knowledge. We do know that the Royal bottom bushing is taller than Indy, which might push the hanger up slightly.

One thing I found interesting is the nub angle position relative to the axle. So on most trucks the nub angle isn't the same as what I measured above which is just from axle to bottom of nub. The nub itself is like part of the hanger and then the hanger angles after it.

For Venture and Royal the nub angle is slightly in front of the axle (towards kingpin). On Thunder it is slightly behind the axle (towards the baseplate). On Indy it is precisely in the middle. I could be full of shit and I'm not an engineer but I wonder if that is why Royals and Ventures have a bit more on center stability before they arc and why Thunders are known for twitching?

There are more information in this google doc if you're interested. It seems accurate for weights, but I don't know about angle measurements:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit#gid=0

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 29, 2022, 09:31:22 PM
Was dorking around with my forged mindies, put the mindy hanger on a regular forged plate (both photos are using the same plate/bushings)...didn't work out so well, look how offset the kinpin is in the yoke (top pic); also, never noticed how different the shape of the hanger yoke area was on the mids (text denotes the hanger, both sitting on regular forged plate from a set of TI).
(https://i.ibb.co/fGKHNX3/IMG-2936.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fGKHNX3)

(https://i.ibb.co/LxSQbHy/IMG-2937.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LxSQbHy)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on July 03, 2022, 11:29:31 AM
Anyone bought the mids baseplate and slapped on some indy std hangar on? I usually have to tighten indy's by a good margin to not have them too loose, so I wonder if I will actually get a solid benefit, in terms of kingpin clearence.
The mids kingpin clearance is obviously a hoax....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 03, 2022, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: Vintagebody on July 03, 2022, 11:29:31 AM
Anyone bought the mids baseplate and slapped on some indy std hangar on? I usually have to tighten indy's by a good margin to not have them too loose, so I wonder if I will actually get a solid benefit, in terms of kingpin clearence.
The mids kingpin clearance is obviously a hoax....
I had an older, beat up set of 169 hollows. Threw the Krux kingpin in the mid baseplate and they’re super loose. Definitely gonna throw on some harder bushings to compensate but, I will say that I don’t hang up on slappy smiths or hit the kingpin.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 03, 2022, 05:44:26 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on July 03, 2022, 11:29:31 AM
Anyone bought the mids baseplate and slapped on some indy std hangar on? I usually have to tighten indy's by a good margin to not have them too loose, so I wonder if I will actually get a solid benefit, in terms of kingpin clearence.

I did a while back. No benefit as the 'clearance' was done via the hanger, not the plate.


Quote from: Vintagebody on July 03, 2022, 11:29:31 AM
The mids kingpin clearance is obviously a hoax....

It's true; otherwise they wouldn't have had to beef up the hanger and add weight to make it worth it. So odd.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 03, 2022, 06:20:17 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on July 03, 2022, 11:29:31 AM
Anyone bought the mids baseplate and slapped on some indy std hangar on? I usually have to tighten indy's by a good margin to not have them too loose, so I wonder if I will actually get a solid benefit, in terms of kingpin clearence.
The mids kingpin clearance is obviously a hoax....


I swapped some over just to see what they were like.  The pics tell the story, especially the last pic with the truck sitting on the kingpin.  This is with the inverted kingpin tightened right down, which was fairly normal feeling for the bushings for me anyway.

Would I recommend it?  Honestly not sure either way, but when I angle grind down the kingpin top in my normal standard trucks I get a lot more clearance anyway, but that is with the low top bushing sets.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CQItVoZAUsb/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMGt_osFWe0/

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 04, 2022, 02:08:40 PM
Pedro Barros claiming he is testing a new truck:

http://www.instagram.com/tv/CfgsyzqjR9T/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 04, 2022, 02:12:06 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 04, 2022, 02:08:40 PM
Pedro Barros claiming he is testing a new truck:

http://www.instagram.com/tv/CfgsyzqjR9T/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

His caption needs no alteration for the indy marketing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: freidnly guy on July 04, 2022, 03:01:44 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 04, 2022, 02:08:40 PM
Pedro Barros claiming he is testing a new truck:

http://www.instagram.com/tv/CfgsyzqjR9T/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Maybe forged mids?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LewFarrell on July 04, 2022, 03:51:57 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 04, 2022, 02:08:40 PM
Pedro Barros claiming he is testing a new truck:

http://www.instagram.com/tv/CfgsyzqjR9T/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
This link isn't working for me, I spent too long looking at what came up trying to figure it out haha. For the archives:
(https://i.imgur.com/vFyWDXT.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/evFnuWn.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/kp4o1ta.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on July 04, 2022, 04:35:09 PM
https://instagram.com/stories/blacklabelskates/2875155083807648468?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

Looks like they're making 215 hangers in a slimmer size. Or perhaps this is the new Indy that may or may not be coming out, as we saw earlier in the thread with the dude skating street with this style hanger.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 04, 2022, 04:48:23 PM
Quote from: freidnly guy on July 04, 2022, 03:01:44 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 04, 2022, 02:08:40 PM
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Pedro Barros claiming he is testing a new truck:

http://www.instagram.com/tv/CfgsyzqjR9T/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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Maybe forged mids?

Forged mids are already out doe.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 04, 2022, 05:05:32 PM
Maybe they don’t have them in Brazil yet or he lives in an alternate universe where your board sponsor makes cologne…..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 04, 2022, 05:15:23 PM
Cut down 215s would mess with me, like I’d probably have to get them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on July 04, 2022, 05:26:55 PM
Quote from: logjammin on July 04, 2022, 04:35:09 PM
https://instagram.com/stories/blacklabelskates/2875155083807648468?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

Looks like they're making 215 hangers in a slimmer size. Or perhaps this is the new Indy that may or may not be coming out, as we saw earlier in the thread with the dude skating street with this style hanger.

Here’s a couple of screenshots for a closer look
(https://i.ibb.co/YN3gKxf/78326780-28-DA-41-B7-AD88-16-E76-AEFF1-D9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YN3gKxf)(https://i.ibb.co/ZhrbV77/43125-C00-957-B-49-F1-A528-8-B699113-E4-EF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZhrbV77)(https://i.ibb.co/wLByTCC/7-F1-BF1-D0-91-CF-47-DB-8-BC7-9-E356-B216-FBD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wLByTCC)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Plan9Customs on July 04, 2022, 05:33:38 PM
I was going to say they were Ace but jahs on Indy now so looks like something’s in the works.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cucktard on July 04, 2022, 05:44:09 PM
Looks like they slimmed down the outside-facing hanger wings a-la ACE (or 215s) and beefed up the inside-facing areas.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 04, 2022, 06:06:51 PM
Quote from: cucktard on July 04, 2022, 05:44:09 PM
Looks like they skimmed down the outside-facing hanger wings a-la ACE (or 215s) and beefed up the inside-facing areas.

That they do!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GumOnMyGrip on July 04, 2022, 06:11:50 PM
Ace copies early Indy, Indy copies Ace.  I’ll go back if they grind like Indy AND turn like the stage 5’s or whatever Ace based their design on…
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 04, 2022, 06:35:23 PM
Quote from: GumOnMyGrip on July 04, 2022, 06:11:50 PM
Ace copies early Indy, Indy copies Ace.  I’ll go back if they grind like Indy AND turn like the stage 5’s or whatever Ace based their design on…

Ace are based off Stage 3. I think. 215s and 109s kept a similar designs to early stages.

5s were the first stage to move away from the traditional hanger design to the hollow body.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 04, 2022, 07:20:58 PM
Be great if they are based on 7 or 8 ish geo (which is what XI tried to get back too); If they could quicken up the turn a bit and drop some grams....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 04, 2022, 07:31:28 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 04, 2022, 07:20:58 PM
Be great if they are based on 7 or 8 ish geo (which is what XI tried to get back too); If they could quicken up the turn a bit and drop some grams....

7/8’s are pretty legendary. They’d definitely need to tweak them, there was negative kingpin clearance (if I remember correctly).
I can’t remember the time frames for the stages…I had 9s, I think, in the very early 2000s (shit could been late 90s…), and bent the axle to an unusable degree, and a flatground ollie. I bought them because they looked sick, and it was either venture lo’s or Indy’s during that time. Stevie’s footage was the shit and I’d watch credo way too much. He was switching between indy and venture back then. Kinda rad. The only pro I can think of that has done that somewhat recently was when Puig would go back and forth between thunder and indy. Holy fuckinoff topic rambling.
The new Indy’s look cool.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 04, 2022, 07:45:56 PM
Quote from: Ok on July 04, 2022, 07:31:28 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 04, 2022, 07:20:58 PM
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Be great if they are based on 7 or 8 ish geo (which is what XI tried to get back too); If they could quicken up the turn a bit and drop some grams....
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7/8’s are pretty legendary. They’d definitely need to tweak them, there was negative kingpin clearance (if I remember correctly).
I can’t remember the time frames for the stages…I had 9s, I think, in the very early 2000s (shit could been late 90s…), and bent the axle to an unusable degree, and a flatground ollie. I bought them because they looked sick, and it was either venture lo’s or Indy’s during that time. Stevie’s footage was the shit and I’d watch credo way too much. He was switching between indy and venture back then. Kinda rad. The only pro I can think of that has done that somewhat recently was when Puig would go back and forth between thunder and indy. Holy fuckinoff topic rambling.
The new Indy’s look cool.

https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2018/05/08/look-cult-independent-trucks/

Yup, 'standard' pin clearance back then (i.e., none); I'm probably wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if the current mids have a lot in common with S8 - they say classic geo (but I still think they're just frankentrucking) but after putting the Mid hanger on a standard forged plate, there is for sure hanger geo differences going on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 04, 2022, 07:47:30 PM
Might be too much information (sorry) but I think this was from the Indy catalog page before it got pulled a while back - only put up info from Stage 7, but I can put up the rest too if anyone is interested:


STAGE  7 - 1993

6 HOLES: Implemented new hole pattern on base plate to reduce wear on bolts from nose and tail slides. Holes were set back on the baseplate, closer to the center of the board.

Thicker, sturdier pivot housing and reduced material on top of hanger to achieve a lighter weight

Introduced the 136mm truck February 1993

STAGE  8 - 1997

6 HOLES mounting base plate with cross logo added.

Introduced the 126mm truck (Duralites)

Reduced material on hanger wing to lighten up truck. Introduced new baseplate / kingpin design rendering inverted kingpin use impossible.

STAGE  9 - 2003

Introduced an all-new lighter weight hanger and base plate; designed to be rigid for performance and durability.

Added all-new, ultra durable 4140 chrome alloy steel axles

Reduced thread length on axle for tight bearing-to-axle fit and a faster, smoother ride

Precision drilled mounting, kingpin, and pivot holes to ride straight for improved performance

Same FAST-ACTION Independent Truck Co. geometry

- the first stage that was computer drafted.The truck ended up quite a bit lower.from 55mm to 53.5mm, totally altering the turn. It didn't help that the baseplates sucked too.Those things broke.

STAGE 10 - 2009

Returned to a beefed-up baseplate BUT the lower geometry remained and the trucks just didn't turn like old Indys, making many riders to look to past models to get the perfect turn.

STAGE 11 - 2012

“I wanted to get it back as close as possible to the Stage V to VII geometry,” return to the classic 55mm height and pivot and kingpin angles inspired by Stage V.


* 8.25 width truck 144s from 2017

* 215 discontinued and then re done around 2019 - 2020

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 04, 2022, 07:56:31 PM
If they want to compete with Ace's turn they might have to go back to Stage 3 geo.

The hollow body hanger (Stage 5 on) is a good design though. Be silly to move away from that completely just because of aesthetics. Surely, they could combine  stage 3 geo with a modern hanger?

Either way, stoked to see what Stage 12s might look and feel like.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 04, 2022, 08:34:16 PM
@Mbrimson88 thanks for the help!!

So I must have bent stage 8s…I remember being hyped on how they look before I broke them, black baseplates, raw hangers. I remember being excited to get the duralites because of a drake jones ad. Axle slip was a thing for most truck companies around this time.
Stage 9s had the messed up baseplate.
I prefer stage 10s…I liked them quite a bit, especially with a conical bottom bushing, the height just felt better.
I ‘hate’ on indy a bunch, mostly for the hellride stuff, but their product really is quality. Doesn’t tend to get me stoked, for whatever reason. The prototype truck definitely has something exciting about it tho.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 04, 2022, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on July 04, 2022, 05:26:55 PM
Quote from: logjammin on July 04, 2022, 04:35:09 PM
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https://instagram.com/stories/blacklabelskates/2875155083807648468?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

Looks like they're making 215 hangers in a slimmer size. Or perhaps this is the new Indy that may or may not be coming out, as we saw earlier in the thread with the dude skating street with this style hanger.
[close]

Here’s a couple of screenshots for a closer look
(https://i.ibb.co/YN3gKxf/78326780-28-DA-41-B7-AD88-16-E76-AEFF1-D9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YN3gKxf)(https://i.ibb.co/ZhrbV77/43125-C00-957-B-49-F1-A528-8-B699113-E4-EF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZhrbV77)(https://i.ibb.co/wLByTCC/7-F1-BF1-D0-91-CF-47-DB-8-BC7-9-E356-B216-FBD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wLByTCC)

Let's take a moment to give a shout out for that bank to proper front rock, on a fucking bar, shall we?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 04, 2022, 09:43:53 PM
I'd like to but its #notdecked
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Wafools on July 05, 2022, 10:23:16 AM
Quote from: Xen on July 04, 2022, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on July 04, 2022, 05:26:55 PM
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Quote from: logjammin on July 04, 2022, 04:35:09 PM
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https://instagram.com/stories/blacklabelskates/2875155083807648468?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

Looks like they're making 215 hangers in a slimmer size. Or perhaps this is the new Indy that may or may not be coming out, as we saw earlier in the thread with the dude skating street with this style hanger.
[close]

Here’s a couple of screenshots for a closer look
(https://i.ibb.co/YN3gKxf/78326780-28-DA-41-B7-AD88-16-E76-AEFF1-D9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YN3gKxf)(https://i.ibb.co/ZhrbV77/43125-C00-957-B-49-F1-A528-8-B699113-E4-EF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZhrbV77)(https://i.ibb.co/wLByTCC/7-F1-BF1-D0-91-CF-47-DB-8-BC7-9-E356-B216-FBD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wLByTCC)
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Let's take a moment to give a shout out for that bank to proper front rock, on a fucking bar, shall we?


Also this from like 6 years ago. Dunno if it’s just a Frankenstein truck or what but 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ 

https://youtu.be/zfDnOlpPW9I
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 05, 2022, 12:24:43 PM
Stage 7 and 8 had ass for kingpin clearance and turned meh compared to XI. I don't know why people long for them. I got a pair off Craigslist a few years back and after replacing the bushings and pivot cups they were still meh. I rode Mids after and they're an improvement IMO.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 05, 2022, 12:47:42 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 05, 2022, 12:24:43 PM
Stage 7 and 8 had ass for kingpin clearance and turned meh compared to XI. I don't know why people long for them. I got a pair off Craigslist a few years back and after replacing the bushings and pivot cups they were still meh. I rode Mids after and they're an improvement IMO.

You'd be right, except for the fact that the turn is more responsive on VII/VII than XI, i.e., faster. Not slow and drawn out like they are now, because they were still basing it off the 3-6 stages.....new geo didn't show up unto X supposedly.

That old geo you seem to hate is pretty much what ACE refined structurally and theeve uses...people hate on Theeve but they're they closest you get to older indy stages after 3-4.

I still feel the mids dip back prior to X/XI

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hobochimp on July 05, 2022, 02:03:42 PM
So if Indy stage 12 is just gonna be an ace truck will there be any point in stage 12 existing? The only thing that would make me skate Indy instead of ace is for the different feeling. Seems like a bad move
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 05, 2022, 02:28:40 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 05, 2022, 12:24:43 PM
Stage 7 and 8 had ass for kingpin clearance and turned meh compared to XI. I don't know why people long for them. I got a pair off Craigslist a few years back and after replacing the bushings and pivot cups they were still meh. I rode Mids after and they're an improvement IMO.

B/c they work great with Krux DL kingpins... no need for any epoxy glue to hold the reverse kingpins in place. worse thing about stage 7 and 8s is the axle slip. I have a set of stage 11 hangers on stage 8 base plates with Krux kingpins... pretty damn nice set of trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 05, 2022, 05:44:54 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 05, 2022, 12:47:42 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 05, 2022, 12:24:43 PM
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Stage 7 and 8 had ass for kingpin clearance and turned meh compared to XI. I don't know why people long for them. I got a pair off Craigslist a few years back and after replacing the bushings and pivot cups they were still meh. I rode Mids after and they're an improvement IMO.
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You'd be right, except for the fact that the turn is more responsive on VII/VII than XI, i.e., faster. Not slow and drawn out like they are now, because they were still basing it off the 3-6 stages.....new geo didn't show up unto X supposedly.

That old geo you seem to hate is pretty what ACE refined structurally and theeve uses...people hate on Theeve but they're they closest you get to older indy stages after 3-4.

I still feel the mids dip back prior to X/XI

If we were to use letters as an analogy the VII felt like an upside down U and the XI like a /-\ sorta. But what I really thought felt weird was the pop feel. Ben Degros did a video on them and I agree that they felt fairly hefty with 53s on them.  It's possible I am just so used to XI that it was bound to fail. I was pretty careful to make sure the bushing sizes matched too and put in aftermarket oranges.

Maybe the older dudes just really liked that turn specifically and how it kinda tips hard. I can see preferring what ya know rather than what we have now.

The mid turn seemed a bit between the two for me. More like a subdued VIII like /0\ kind of shape if that makes sense. Honestly tho they're all find I could get used to them all if I wasn't being anal retentive about finding some optimal that doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 05, 2022, 05:48:17 PM
Quote from: hobochimp on July 05, 2022, 02:03:42 PM
So if Indy stage 12 is just gonna be an ace truck will there be any point in stage 12 existing? The only thing that would make me skate Indy instead of ace is for the different feeling. Seems like a bad move

I really doubt Indy is going to put out an Ace/stage 3 copy. I do wonder if they might copy the Lurpiv flared yoke and geo more actually based on what people reported. The mid hanger looked a bit more Ace like to me with the shape of the large barrel and smaller yoke so I wonder if they're just going to copy that for more kingpin clearance and move yoke material accordingly since they won't need as much near the ends.

The turn seems universally loved I'd be surprised if they changed it all that much. I think they learned some lessons with stage IX and X and they're known for both grind and turn now why fuck it up again?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Plan9Customs on July 05, 2022, 05:59:30 PM
Went back and looked at the pics posted. I’m putting money on cut down 215s. I’ll hit up Jah and see later.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 05, 2022, 06:15:12 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 05, 2022, 05:48:17 PM
Quote from: hobochimp on July 05, 2022, 02:03:42 PM
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So if Indy stage 12 is just gonna be an ace truck will there be any point in stage 12 existing? The only thing that would make me skate Indy instead of ace is for the different feeling. Seems like a bad move
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I really doubt Indy is going to put out an Ace/stage 3 copy. I do wonder if they might copy the Lurpiv flared yoke and geo more actually based on what people reported. The mid hanger looked a bit more Ace like to me with the shape of the large barrel and smaller yoke so I wonder if they're just going to copy that for more kingpin clearance and move yoke material accordingly since they won't need as much near the ends.

The turn seems universally loved I'd be surprised if they changed it all that much. I think they learned some lessons with stage IX and X and they're known for both grind and turn now why fuck it up again?

The smaller mid yoke is def on par with ACE and the Indy 215 (even the 109 is a more svelt yoke). Soooo maybe they are just trying to shave off some weight? Nothing wrong with that. And if they tweak the existing geo just to make everything about it 'better' no harm. But I can't see them re-inventing the wheel when (you're right) SXI is universally loved. If it ain't broke...

They've got all their 'pieces' could cobble together a larger 109, a more reinforced 215 (if that is even an issue?)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on July 05, 2022, 11:53:54 PM
Already posted in the ace thread, but anyone have any experience with replacing a top bushing with a lower one and grinding down the kingpin for more clearance?

Specifically I'm considering replacing the top ace hard bushing with a stock venture bushing (which is much shorter) and grinding down kingpin by a few threads so I hang up less on smith grinds etc.

In general what does a shorter top bushing do to the geometry? What differences in turn, response, pinch etc should I expect?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 06, 2022, 06:20:07 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on July 05, 2022, 11:53:54 PM
Already posted in the ace thread, but anyone have any experience with replacing a top bushing with a lower one and grinding down the kingpin for more clearance?

Specifically I'm considering replacing the top ace hard bushing with a stock venture bushing (which is much shorter) and grinding down kingpin by a few threads so I hang up less on smith grinds etc.

In general what does a shorter top bushing do to the geometry? What differences in turn, response, pinch etc should I expect?

@Mbrimson88 has posted some tips, and links to ig videos.
I need to look those tips up, as I’ve been skating 5.2 lo’s and they do not have kingpin clearance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 06, 2022, 07:34:22 AM
Quote from: Ok on July 06, 2022, 06:20:07 AM
Quote from: tzhangdox on July 05, 2022, 11:53:54 PM
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Already posted in the ace thread, but anyone have any experience with replacing a top bushing with a lower one and grinding down the kingpin for more clearance?

Specifically I'm considering replacing the top ace hard bushing with a stock venture bushing (which is much shorter) and grinding down kingpin by a few threads so I hang up less on smith grinds etc.

In general what does a shorter top bushing do to the geometry? What differences in turn, response, pinch etc should I expect?
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@Mbrimson88 has posted some tips, and links to ig videos.
I need to look those tips up, as I’ve been skating 5.2 lo’s and they do not have kingpin clearance.


Ha yeah, I have done this to most of my setups now, but mainly to get more life out of older well worn trucks of any brand.

The two parts to note, both equally important:

1. Cutting the bushings down - easy enough to cut any and every bushing set, be it top or bottom, but I usually only cut tops, about 1-2 mm depending on what the need is and how much more turn is needed, or clearance is needed.  Yes I have cut some too short, which still work but definitely have a little too much top bushing washer touching hanger yoke.  For the most part, there is no change in geometry and how the truck performs to me, but get this right first (as per the cutting orange Indy bushings post below).  Sometimes having a go with some other bushings you don't really want is a good start, but you can always put the bit you have cut off back in and they will still work as usual on any other trucks.

2. Angle grinding off the kingpin needs to be done gently and I usually do a bit then check it, do a bit more, etc so you don't heat the kingpin too much which in turn will melt the bushings.  I usually set up a board and get the bushings how I like them first, really feel them out and make sure where the nut sits is good, then use the grinder to take the kingpin head down a little on one side, then the other, like that for a bit, or do front for a bit, then back for a bit, until you have them down nicely but not too far into where the nut sits unless you really need a lot more clearance, eg truck down to axle and almost no top bushing or nut remaining.  See the Real board post from the previous page, also included here.


I can still take the kingpin nut off easily when this is done, as well as adjust anything, but I use the grinder on the board with everything set up, so I can check and make sure the kingpin doesn't get cut too low, which has happened before.  I just used some really old squashed top bushings on it and they still worked fine, but it is not recommended, unless you have a lot of spare parts to play with.  Regular and hollow kingpins work the same way, no different in fixing them, grinding them down or anything else.


The other post I will include here is a few boards with some kingpin heads taken down, in particular the one with the blue bushings, which were the low head versions, as per the red ones I use in all my usual setups nowdays (also low heads, but I have on average cut down one to two sets of standard height bushings a week for people at the indoor park I am at as well).


https://www.instagram.com/p/CHWhyC6lixi/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BpGf4tGlRyf/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMGt_osFWe0/
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Plan9Customs on July 06, 2022, 05:19:58 PM
Quote from: Plan9Customs on July 05, 2022, 05:59:30 PM
Went back and looked at the pics posted. I’m putting money on cut down 215s. I’ll hit up Jah and see later.
Not cut down 215s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 07, 2022, 06:49:35 PM
Set up some Lurpivs and the weird nut on the baseplate fell off. Is it important or is it okay for me to keep them off?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 07, 2022, 07:30:15 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on July 07, 2022, 06:49:35 PM
Set up some Lurpivs and the weird nut on the baseplate fell off. Is it important or is it okay for me to keep them off?

The little screw in the baseplate? That's to keep your kingpin from loosening
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 07, 2022, 08:27:26 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 07, 2022, 07:30:15 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on July 07, 2022, 06:49:35 PM
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Set up some Lurpivs and the weird nut on the baseplate fell off. Is it important or is it okay for me to keep them off?
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The little screw in the baseplate? That's to keep your kingpin from loosening
Thank you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 07, 2022, 08:39:43 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on July 07, 2022, 06:49:35 PM
Set up some Lurpivs and the weird nut on the baseplate fell off. Is it important or is it okay for me to keep them off?

Grabs popcorn...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on July 08, 2022, 09:40:25 AM
Mystery Indys solved! 166 Stage 4 as seen on Chico Brenes' IG story.

https://streamable.com/0gq21p

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/851356262029590541/995006087386366123/Screenshot_20220708-093605.jpg)

I don't believe this to be NOS since there's no Iron Cross logo, the size is shown on the hanger, and we've seen other people skate these.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 08, 2022, 09:46:59 AM
Quote from: yourbreakfsat on July 08, 2022, 09:40:25 AM
Mystery Indys solved! 166 Stage 4 as seen on Chico Brenes' IG story.

https://streamable.com/0gq21p

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/851356262029590541/995006087386366123/Screenshot_20220708-093605.jpg)

I don't believe this to be NOS since there's no Iron Cross logo, the size is shown on the hanger, and we've seen other people skate these.

Smaller 215 geo! Cool!

166 = 9.25?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 08, 2022, 09:53:34 AM
Came here to post about Chico's Stage 4s but not surprised Slap truck nerds beat me to it.

I've often wondered why Indy has not 'reissued' trucks... Why not? Especially if they can improve a few of the old flaws such as Axle slip and KP clearance. Put me down for some 156s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on July 08, 2022, 11:20:00 AM
^This would be a cool idea. Retro them like how Air Jordan retros their old 1990's lineup. Since Indy seems to have lost some steam with the rise of Venture, Ace, etc. and the pushback against the iron-cross heritage, I think this would be their best bet at being the top dog again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on July 08, 2022, 11:29:11 AM
Indy has something up their sleeve. Those are definitely not NOS, as every aspect of that truck is modern made in China. I'm now leaning towards these not being a "stage 12" but merely 215 shaped hangers in smaller sizes, which is still an older geo I believe, but I don't see them scrapping the 11's and replacing all of them with this 215 hanger in 129-169. Riots will happen. So the question is are they just offering this to team riders or will they release them to the public?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 08, 2022, 11:39:58 AM
I’m sure it’ll be a big time disrupter…..just like a lower but heavier truck, with a protruding lowered kingpin.  No idea how I will sleep until I see it…..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lamfordie on July 08, 2022, 11:53:26 AM
I saw this video on Ig(wish I had the link for it) that showed someone replacing their kingpins with the krux inverted kingpins on a set of 161 thunders. What was interesting was that the baseplate for the thunder was different from what I have seen. Instead of the round hole that the kingpin was in it was more hexagon in shape. I don't remember thunder changing the shape of the hole for the kingpin. Is this something new that thunder is doing?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tuesday on July 08, 2022, 12:33:08 PM
Pictures of the new Thunder baseplate that accomodates hexagonal kingpin heads have already been posted here. Couple months ago.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 08, 2022, 01:07:10 PM
Those look kinda like a Thunder from the Upside Down.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 08, 2022, 01:11:45 PM
People who fuck with trucks: high level nerd/it doesn't matter question:

My Indy's are showing 1.5-2 threads in back maybe. I was debating grinding down the kingpin and keeping stock bushings or using the blues so the nut is more flush. I'm hanging up on feebles a bit and have hollow kingpin which feel pretty harsh to grind through.

Would the compressed oranges have any different qualities than less compressed blues? I imagine as a bushing is compressed the way it rebounds changes since the bushing is pre squished and not near the end of the rebound if that makes sense. Like on center a squished bushing is using 20% rebound but flush is 0.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: lamfordie on July 08, 2022, 01:26:03 PM
Quote from: tuesday on July 08, 2022, 12:33:08 PM
Pictures of the new Thunder baseplate that accomodates hexagonal kingpin heads have already been posted here. Couple months ago.
Sweet, I hope they do this for venture as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Plan9Customs on July 08, 2022, 05:20:05 PM
Well I guess since Chicos posting about them it’s not a secret.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Hsk35NtG/92-E05-D2-E-74-C5-48-A2-8594-418633935-ADE.png) (https://postimg.cc/PN0mn2cK)
Just didn’t want to post and blow shit up before it was known.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 08, 2022, 05:32:42 PM
So sick. This Stage 4 news is about the only thing that might tempt me away from Ace. If they do it, I hope they put out a decent size range.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on July 08, 2022, 05:38:57 PM
Quote from: Plan9Customs on July 08, 2022, 05:20:05 PM
Well I guess since Chicos posting about them it’s not a secret.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Hsk35NtG/92-E05-D2-E-74-C5-48-A2-8594-418633935-ADE.png) (https://postimg.cc/PN0mn2cK)
Just didn’t want to post and blow shit up before it was known.

If they get released, Powell reissue deck sales are gonna explode :v
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 08, 2022, 05:39:47 PM
Ace with Indy qc. Not too bad.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 08, 2022, 05:42:28 PM
Shit. Forget Powell. I'll be setting up a Tom Knox reissue with these and some OJ Freezstreets.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 08, 2022, 06:13:41 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 05, 2022, 05:48:17 PM
I really doubt Indy is going to put out an Ace/stage 3 copy.

How could it be a 'copy', it's the OG.

What will be telling is the lack of hollow body, will smaller sizes bend? There's a reason why Indy (and ACE, and Theeve all) switched over to the wing/V design...but you don't see a lot of bitching about 215s bending (impact or not).

Older stages were lower, maybe the stage 4 design is where the mids are coming from with their 'classic' geometry (and could explain the yoke offset using mid hangers on the regular XI plates).

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 08, 2022, 06:18:06 PM
You'd think wider axles would be more prone to bending than narrower. You probably don't see too many bent 215s as not many people skate those in high impact situations. (Except Gonz ollieing down Wallenberg of course.)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 08, 2022, 06:42:02 PM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on July 08, 2022, 06:18:06 PM
You'd think wider axles would be more prone to bending than narrower. You probably don't see too many bent 215s as not many people skate those in high impact situations. (Except Gonz ollieing down Wallenberg of course.)

I look to ACE ace and how they bent (even at 8") Theeve didn't have bending issues that I was ever aware of.

Guess that's why they're testing them out instead of just pushing them to market. I'd imagine that metals and tolerances since the OG IV and current XI have changed? 215s supposedly still use the old geo, but if I remember right there was a time where the 215s were updated to stage XI (last year or so?). Who knows.

Stage IV / that hanger design + Forged ti ? Yes, please.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on July 08, 2022, 08:31:30 PM
Quote from: logjammin on July 08, 2022, 11:29:11 AM
Indy has something up their sleeve. Those are definitely not NOS, as every aspect of that truck is modern made in China. I'm now leaning towards these not being a "stage 12" but merely 215 shaped hangers in smaller sizes, which is still an older geo I believe, but I don't see them scrapping the 11's and replacing all of them with this 215 hanger in 129-169. Riots will happen. So the question is are they just offering this to team riders or will they release them to the public?

It costs a high five or six-figure sum to make a new mold for something like this so there’s basically no chance that they don’t intend to sell them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 08, 2022, 08:38:03 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on July 08, 2022, 08:31:30 PM
Quote from: logjammin on July 08, 2022, 11:29:11 AM
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Indy has something up their sleeve. Those are definitely not NOS, as every aspect of that truck is modern made in China. I'm now leaning towards these not being a "stage 12" but merely 215 shaped hangers in smaller sizes, which is still an older geo I believe, but I don't see them scrapping the 11's and replacing all of them with this 215 hanger in 129-169. Riots will happen. So the question is are they just offering this to team riders or will they release them to the public?
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It costs a high five or six-figure sum to make a new mold for something like this so there’s basically no chance that they don’t intend to sell them.

Unless they have old Stage IV molds still kicking around (doubtful they risk using a classic OG mold)? I mean they still make 215s with that hanger design.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lou Strux on July 09, 2022, 12:13:07 AM
I confess, I would prolly fuck with these if they were to come in an 8.5 or 8.75.
And here I was, telling myself to hold out for the AF1 hollows, but who knows what the future may hold for me now: perhaps a taste of the past?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tuesday on July 09, 2022, 01:28:54 AM
@lamfordie: found the the Thunder base pic in this thread: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118215.150#quickreply

Quote from: Movies on November 21, 2021, 07:11:58 AM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on November 21, 2021, 07:02:44 AM
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Looks like Thunder is setting the kingpin deeper into the baseplate now. Should allow to get them a little bit looser.
(https://i.ibb.co/VHXK7sx/B7-CABE16-B98-D-4-A85-BF9-F-A400292-EF222.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VHXK7sx)
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I saw a newer set of Ventures that are like that too. I think it's just a shorter kingpin because the hanger clearance up top looks about the same as the old ones. Maybe that recessed bit on the baseplate is designed to fit a sleeve (like on the Mindys) if they ever release that inverted kingpin version.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 09, 2022, 07:55:58 AM
Didn’t we say they are testing an inverted kingpin like 11 pages back? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 09, 2022, 11:36:48 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 09, 2022, 07:55:58 AM
Didn’t we say they are testing an inverted kingpin like 11 pages back? 

Yep. I hope they get it right and throw some industrial grade nylock in the plate. PReferably around the whole damn thing,
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 09, 2022, 11:56:33 AM
Rumor is they're offering both versions but the Teams will be standard kingpins. Just a rumor since they've been testing these trucks for 4 years.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Joe Davola on July 09, 2022, 04:30:42 PM
My Indy Ti 149s got some bad axel slip about a month ago. Wasn't able to tighten an axel nut past the threads before hitting the bearing.

I swapped them out with some Thunder Ti 149s. I've had them a while but skated them like twice. Clear red bushings.

After my first ollie, I realized that I'm not going back to Indy. My pop felt sooooooo much better. Pretty sure it's the lower height. The turn feels more stable, too. The Indys were fairly loose with bones mediums. Might change the Thunder bushings eventually but I'm pretty happy just riding stock.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Scottboarding on July 09, 2022, 05:32:49 PM
Quote from: Joe Davola on July 09, 2022, 04:30:42 PM
After my first ollie, I realized that I'm not going back to Indy. My pop felt sooooooo much better. Pretty sure it's the lower height. The turn feels more stable, too.
This is exactly why I ride Thunders. Indy and Ace are fun to ride, but I skate noticeably better on Thunders. The only thing I don’t like about thunders is the short baseplate causes me to catch my wheels on noseslides every now and then. It’s a trade off I’m perfectly fine with though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 09, 2022, 09:01:59 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 08, 2022, 06:42:02 PM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on July 08, 2022, 06:18:06 PM
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You'd think wider axles would be more prone to bending than narrower. You probably don't see too many bent 215s as not many people skate those in high impact situations. (Except Gonz ollieing down Wallenberg of course.)
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I look to ACE ace and how they bent (even at 8") Theeve didn't have bending issues that I was ever aware of.

Guess that's why they're testing them out instead of just pushing them to market. I'd imagine that metals and tolerances since the OG IV and current XI have changed? 215s supposedly still use the old geo, but if I remember right there was a time where the 215s were updated to stage XI (last year or so?). Who knows.

Stage IV / that hanger design + Forged ti ? Yes, please.


A few truck brands have had issues with the production facilities not following procedure and overfilling the baskets of hangers that went through the heat curing process, which leads to the metal not being tempered correctly and the truck hangers bend in ways no one would believe (including myself) if I hadn't seen them with my own eyes.

Theeve, Ace and Destructo all had these issues when they first came out, as per Theeve trucks comment from Trev Ward on this post:


thesuitcase
"I’ll give you the heads up. I used this factory which Krux and venture both used too. When they heat treat their trucks they over fill their baskets and the trucks don’t get heat treated correctly. This creates the issue. It’s not the design of the truck it’s the factory cutting corners. 100,000 units I lost through this. I thought it was a design flaw and then the V2 theeve came out. But when the truth came out we worked out a very hard lesson"



I still have a dozen sets of Destructo trucks which are in perfect working order that were made in USA, then this set from back when production went from USA to China for these Destructo trucks early 00s, which some people still cannot believe is real, but they bent from skateboarding, not being run over or any other thing.


To note though, they also fixed production and make what is said to be a very good product nowdays, but I have not skated any that were made after 2000 and certainly seen none of the newer models in person.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CJDXSkgF4E7/

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JugeL on July 10, 2022, 01:54:56 AM
Smiley truck co.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sammyz on July 10, 2022, 10:37:21 PM
i've managed to get myself into truck madness over the last couple of days.

i've read through the Truck wheelbase thread too...so that's either made it worse or maybe provided a solution...

so hear me out...I've switched to Passport decks, and i like everything about it (especially, buying local) except for the longer wheelbase...my sweet spot is 14-14.25 on a 32" long deck. This deck is 32 long, but 14.5 wheelbase.

Now, when I skated the 14-14.25, i loved it on thunders, and per the wheelbase thread, the effective wheelbase was somewhere around 17.5'ish.

Now on my Passport i have my Indy Forged Hollow, which is effectively the same wheelbase as Thunders and stretches that wheelbase to 17.7'ish.

A standard Indy have a shorter wheelbase and I feel like the difference is to do with the cast baseplate vs forged baseplate. 

What I wanted to know, is if anyone has tried a cast baseplate on a hollow hanger...does this reduce the wheelbase back to a standard Indy?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sammyz on July 11, 2022, 02:08:00 AM
We can ignore my post above…i did the deed…and yeah the baseplate makes a difference and cuts wheelbase.

But my theory was wrong, I thought it was the height of the baseplate, but its the angle of the kingpin that’s different, and just looking at it, you can see the angle of the kingpin is different.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on July 11, 2022, 08:13:11 AM
Quote from: tuesday on July 09, 2022, 01:28:54 AM
@lamfordie: found the the Thunder base pic in this thread: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118215.150#quickreply

Quote from: Movies on November 21, 2021, 07:11:58 AM
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Quote from: Richard Skidder on November 21, 2021, 07:02:44 AM
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Looks like Thunder is setting the kingpin deeper into the baseplate now. Should allow to get them a little bit looser.
(https://i.ibb.co/VHXK7sx/B7-CABE16-B98-D-4-A85-BF9-F-A400292-EF222.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VHXK7sx)
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I saw a newer set of Ventures that are like that too. I think it's just a shorter kingpin because the hanger clearance up top looks about the same as the old ones. Maybe that recessed bit on the baseplate is designed to fit a sleeve (like on the Mindys) if they ever release that inverted kingpin version.
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The recess is for shorter kingpins because they couldn’t source the normal length kingpin at the time due to supply chain issues. It’s much cheaper to modify an existing mold by removing metal from the mold than it is to make a new one so it was an economical solution to a shortage issue.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on July 19, 2022, 08:58:38 PM
Anyone know best and easiest spraypaint for custom truck colors? I like black baseplates over raw these days and wanna glaze em up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jakeumms on July 19, 2022, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: logjammin on July 19, 2022, 08:58:38 PM
Anyone know best and easiest spraypaint for custom truck colors? I like black baseplates over raw these days and wanna glaze em up.
I would talk to @lilboosie if I was thinking of doing homebrew truck colors.

If Indy is keeping their made up numbers consistentish, wouldn't a 166 be 9" truck? Sorta seems like a direct competitor to the Ace AF1 66s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on July 20, 2022, 06:17:25 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on July 09, 2022, 09:01:59 PM
Quote from: Xen on July 08, 2022, 06:42:02 PM
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Quote from: Frank and Fred on July 08, 2022, 06:18:06 PM
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You'd think wider axles would be more prone to bending than narrower. You probably don't see too many bent 215s as not many people skate those in high impact situations. (Except Gonz ollieing down Wallenberg of course.)
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I look to ACE ace and how they bent (even at 8") Theeve didn't have bending issues that I was ever aware of.

Guess that's why they're testing them out instead of just pushing them to market. I'd imagine that metals and tolerances since the OG IV and current XI have changed? 215s supposedly still use the old geo, but if I remember right there was a time where the 215s were updated to stage XI (last year or so?). Who knows.

Stage IV / that hanger design + Forged ti ? Yes, please.
[close]


A few truck brands have had issues with the production facilities not following procedure and overfilling the baskets of hangers that went through the heat curing process, which leads to the metal not being tempered correctly and the truck hangers bend in ways no one would believe (including myself) if I hadn't seen them with my own eyes.

Theeve, Ace and Destructo all had these issues when they first came out, as per Theeve trucks comment from Trev Ward on this post:


thesuitcase
"I’ll give you the heads up. I used this factory which Krux and venture both used too. When they heat treat their trucks they over fill their baskets and the trucks don’t get heat treated correctly. This creates the issue. It’s not the design of the truck it’s the factory cutting corners. 100,000 units I lost through this. I thought it was a design flaw and then the V2 theeve came out. But when the truth came out we worked out a very hard lesson"



I still have a dozen sets of Destructo trucks which are in perfect working order that were made in USA, then this set from back when production went from USA to China for these Destructo trucks early 00s, which some people still cannot believe is real, but they bent from skateboarding, not being run over or any other thing.


To note though, they also fixed production and make what is said to be a very good product nowdays, but I have not skated any that were made after 2000 and certainly seen none of the newer models in person.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CJDXSkgF4E7/

I remember Mike doing a video where he does like a street plant on a brand new set and bends them. I can't for the life of me remember what the clip was in. I sure it was more nuanced than this, but it felt like destructo disappeared after that. There's also that video of Bam saying he riding destructo trucks (wink) when he clearly has indy's. I'm sure they sold a ton of pink and purple trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 20, 2022, 08:06:55 AM
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I remember Mike doing a video where he does like a street plant on a brand new set and bends them. I can't for the life of me remember what the clip was in. I sure it was more nuanced than this, but it felt like destructo disappeared after that. There's also that video of Bam saying he riding destructo trucks (wink) when he clearly has indy's. I'm sure they sold a ton of pink and purple trucks


Ha yes and yes to that last part - had to do a little looking back with someone not so long ago and every single board pic and clip was on Indy trucks, except for the "pose and smile" type pics which had what looked like unused trucks on a brand new complete.

Never seen the Mike clip like that but I imagine it would be easy enough to happen, as those things were so soft, which is to me the reason things just went from such a high selling brand to almost nothing in a very short time.  So many warranties just made the local distros close up shop on that account, or so it seemed.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on July 20, 2022, 11:43:42 AM
https://alva-skates.com/collections/alva-45-year-anniversary-collection

This is the first time I've seen painted/pro Indy 109s (although I'm sure they've existed before)

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0354/6434/7693/products/IMG_9199-2_1080x.jpg?v=1658283335)

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0354/6434/7693/products/IMG_9198-2_1080x.jpg?v=1658283335)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: RaptorHunter182 on July 20, 2022, 08:24:47 PM
Independent Forged Hollows
Bones Bushings (Medium)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on July 21, 2022, 08:56:51 PM
Finally got the Indy IKP baseplate set.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/949345596253298798/999839844039663716/PXL_20220721_221512182.MP.jpg)

Definitely makes a difference for me, although it seems that it's way harder to tighten the trucks which isn't a big deal for me but may be for some. Can't wait to see how they hold up on non-metal obstacles.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 21, 2022, 09:50:54 PM
Is this your front truck cuz it looks like there are zero Smith or feeble marks so it's hard to imagine it mattering.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on July 21, 2022, 10:08:21 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 21, 2022, 09:50:54 PM
Is this your front truck cuz it looks like there are zero Smith or feeble marks so it's hard to imagine it mattering.

Yes. Shouldn't matter at all but here's my back truck.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/938266106701942824/999905306962309180/PXL_20220722_050416356-01.jpeg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 22, 2022, 04:41:35 AM

Quote from: yourbreakfsat on July 21, 2022, 10:08:21 PM
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Is this your front truck cuz it looks like there are zero Smith or feeble marks so it's hard to imagine it mattering.
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Yes. Shouldn't matter at all but here's my back truck.



They definitely look like you have good clearance on those ones.


I am always curious with people who have set up the inverted kingpin, how far in or how far out from full lock they ride them, given that full lock in seems to hold the kingpin in place and is a lot lower than a few turns out from full lock.

On the stock bushings, they felt fairly good on full lock for me, but on the aftermarket low red 92 duro ones I normally use, they didn't feel like they were far enough in, but that is more because of the low head, which is meant to take the kingpin nut down two threads or so anyway.

Given everyone is different, especially with aftermarket bushing combos, it would be harder to work out, unless people screw them right down to full lock and then count how many turns they wind them back out.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 22, 2022, 07:17:40 AM
I can’t smith or feeble for the most part…short of a mini ramp but it still matters…..and if you don’t agree with me… you don’t know the madness……
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 22, 2022, 07:51:48 AM
 :-* you do you bud, ride your happy place trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on July 25, 2022, 10:19:24 PM
Quote from: yourbreakfsat on July 08, 2022, 09:40:25 AM
Mystery Indys solved! 166 Stage 4 as seen on Chico Brenes' IG story.

https://streamable.com/0gq21p

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/851356262029590541/995006087386366123/Screenshot_20220708-093605.jpg)

I don't believe this to be NOS since there's no Iron Cross logo, the size is shown on the hanger, and we've seen other people skate these.

Coming back to this topic:

On NHS the 215 product page got renamed to "Stage 4 Polished Skateboard Trucks Independent" and the description implies that there will be more sizes.

https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/stage-4-polished-skateboard-trucks-independent?variant=40118119596189

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Independent Trucks Stage 4 feature a retro style single wing hanger design and are great on wider boards from 9.5 to 10.5 inches.
Currently available as 215mm.

As far as I remember, current 215s were always labeled as Stage 11.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 25, 2022, 10:49:32 PM
They should confuse us further by dropping 145’s, 155’s, 165’s etc….make sure the numbers have nothing to do with the measurements. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on July 26, 2022, 06:22:51 AM
I DM'd a ripper who is on Indy and he said his measured 151mm, not 149.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chris on July 26, 2022, 03:11:34 PM
Ace AF1 or Indy Hollows?

I cum b4 you sk8rs with a question. I am in decision paralysis.

Currrently riding Stage 11 149s on an 8.5 FA. I skate a homemade box and a little red rail and some parking lots occasionally (shoutout Ethan). Mostly just skating in circles and doing flat ground. 28 yo stocky boi looking to lighten up I think.

For the record I will take them out of the box and put them on my board with no wacky mix match angle grinding bushing licking wackiness

Thanks !

luv chris
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on July 26, 2022, 03:18:24 PM
Quote from: Chris  on July 26, 2022, 03:11:34 PM
Ace AF1 or Indy Hollows?

I cum b4 you sk8rs with a question. I am in decision paralysis.

Currrently riding Stage 11 149s on an 8.5 FA. I skate a homemade box and a little red rail and some parking lots occasionally (shoutout Ethan). Mostly just skating in circles and doing flat ground. 28 yo stocky boi looking to lighten up I think.

For the record I will take them out of the box and put them on my board with no wacky mix match angle grinding bushing licking wackiness

Thanks !

luv chris

Indy hollows are definitely lighter, and grind better imo. There's a ton of Ace fans, but for me Indy's just work.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 26, 2022, 04:04:44 PM
AF1. Indy is a wack company IMO and the "Ride the best, fuck the rest" mentality promotes the corny jock side of skating I hate. They're not far off in terms of measurement and people seem to really love em. I don't know a dissatisfied rider in real life although Slappers comment about the AF1 grinds being wack although everyone I know on them loves the grind.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on July 26, 2022, 04:08:50 PM
Anyone who says the grind on Indys is bad is certifiable. Even the Indy haters acknowledge that they are the best in this category.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on July 26, 2022, 07:26:40 PM
Quote from: Chris  on July 26, 2022, 03:11:34 PM
Ace AF1 or Indy Hollows?

I cum b4 you sk8rs with a question. I am in decision paralysis.

Currrently riding Stage 11 149s on an 8.5 FA. I skate a homemade box and a little red rail and some parking lots occasionally (shoutout Ethan). Mostly just skating in circles and doing flat ground. 28 yo stocky boi looking to lighten up I think.

For the record I will take them out of the box and put them on my board with no wacky mix match angle grinding bushing licking wackiness

Thanks !

luv chris

I really don’t notice a difference in weight when skating tbh. You feel it when holding it but that’s about it (at least for me)

I’d say just keep skating your indys, Aces skate really similar to indys, and if your standards are still good the hollows won’t really do anything imo.

For what it’s worth though, I’ve skated indys and aces for years and I’m back on Thunders now, and for me they simply work best.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 26, 2022, 08:00:20 PM
I recently switched back to Thunders as well and concur- I skate the most consistently on them and really prefer the turn. The grind doesn't feel insanely different on the things I skate, but the Indy grind is the best on chunky stuff.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 26, 2022, 08:19:12 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 26, 2022, 08:00:20 PM
I recently switched back to Thunders as well and concur- I skate the most consistently on them and really prefer the turn. The grind doesn't feel insanely different on the things I skate, but the Indy grind is the best on chunky stuff.

I totally agree: indy grind is the best on the chunky stuff.
 And I don’t like indy as a staff, a record label…
Unless someone has some distinct preference, indys just work.


I skate much better on thunders as well. I like a lower truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stu Pickles on July 26, 2022, 09:43:37 PM
i put bones bushings in my thunders and they exploded after two sessions. felt great while they were in there. put some random bushings in they had at the shop (might be longboard ones) and they feel great. that experience put me off bones for now
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: El Freegano on July 26, 2022, 11:34:13 PM
I join the thunder camp as well. Last week i bought my first pair (147) and felt like i was sleeping for 26 years not trying these, they are just perfect for my type of skating. Low, light, great pop and super easy flip tricks, the grind is fast and the pinch is amazing, i can hold my crookeds for so long that i get tired standing on the ledge haha the joke aside, but i think i also skate better with these. And as mention above all this "ride the best, fuck the rest" just disgusts me... fuck the best, ride the rest :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on July 27, 2022, 09:40:53 AM
I also switched back to thunders on my primary boards. I have a set of Indys on a slappy board and AF1s on a cruiser, and I was running Indys on my street boards and I just never got as comfortable with them on flip tricks as I am on Thunders. The longer geometry/WB on thunders just gives me more consistent pop and is easier to get my tricks up. Really like them a lot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FGO925 on July 27, 2022, 02:52:51 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 26, 2022, 08:00:20 PM
I recently switched back to Thunders as well and concur- I skate the most consistently on them and really prefer the turn. The grind doesn't feel insanely different on the things I skate, but the Indy grind is the best on chunky stuff.

what thunders would yall recommend? Is it same as ventures where the cast base plate is more sought after?

For example on tactics, I see the "Lights", "Hollow Lights", and "Hollow Lights II".

What is the go to for thunders?? And maybe a bushing recommendation. I always prefer hard bushings and I rock them decently loose. Makes the feel, pinch, and carve super solid for me.

On my current ventures I have the stock bottom bushing with a hard top bushing and its amazing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 27, 2022, 03:28:09 PM
Man weird user name- I skated FGO from like 1998-2002 and most of my friends did before and after.

I honestly ride the Teams or Standards. They're already pretty light compared to a Venture and have the taller cast plate.

As for bushings I never swap mine so I can't help there. Maybe try either Bones or Thunder Hards and shave down the top slightly? I think the Indy conical bushings fit too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on July 27, 2022, 03:33:39 PM
Quote from: FGO925 on July 27, 2022, 02:52:51 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 26, 2022, 08:00:20 PM
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I recently switched back to Thunders as well and concur- I skate the most consistently on them and really prefer the turn. The grind doesn't feel insanely different on the things I skate, but the Indy grind is the best on chunky stuff.
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what thunders would yall recommend? Is it same as ventures where the cast base plate is more sought after?

For example on tactics, I see the "Lights", "Hollow Lights", and "Hollow Lights II".

What is the go to for thunders?? And maybe a bushing recommendation. I always prefer hard bushings and I rock them decently loose. Makes the feel, pinch, and carve super solid for me.

On my current ventures I have the stock bottom bushing with a hard top bushing and its amazing.

I usually get the Lights or Hollow lights for the forged baseplate and slightly lower height, but like Lebowski said the teams/standards are still stupid light. it's mostly about the ride height. My thunders are for my street boards and I'm not running wheels bigger then 53mm so i like the lower ride.

As far as bushings, I would give the stock bushings a shot, they always feel pretty firm to me and I'm heavy (195lb). I have the kingpin nut barely threaded on and they're still not as loose as I like my trucks. If you need to swap, Thunder did just release new bushings in all duros so you could try the 97 or 100 duro.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on July 27, 2022, 06:37:21 PM
Quote from: FGO925 on July 27, 2022, 02:52:51 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 26, 2022, 08:00:20 PM
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I recently switched back to Thunders as well and concur- I skate the most consistently on them and really prefer the turn. The grind doesn't feel insanely different on the things I skate, but the Indy grind is the best on chunky stuff.
[close]

what thunders would yall recommend? Is it same as ventures where the cast base plate is more sought after?

For example on tactics, I see the "Lights", "Hollow Lights", and "Hollow Lights II".

What is the go to for thunders?? And maybe a bushing recommendation. I always prefer hard bushings and I rock them decently loose. Makes the feel, pinch, and carve super solid for me.

On my current ventures I have the stock bottom bushing with a hard top bushing and its amazing.

I personally like the cast baseplates, right now I'm on 149 Teams (standards) but Team Hollows would be good for me too. I ride them pretty loose with stock bushings, 54mm OG Classics and the wheelbite is pretty manageable, but I probably wouldn't get anyting bigger than 54 without risers (and if I ever tried forged plates then I'd probably step down to 52-53mm)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chris on July 27, 2022, 06:37:49 PM
Thanks everyone for your time. I am going to keep my Indys.  8)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on July 27, 2022, 07:06:36 PM
 :P :(
Quote from: Chris  on July 27, 2022, 06:37:49 PM
Thanks everyone for your time. I am going to keep my Indys.  8)
Good choice
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 27, 2022, 07:39:42 PM
Anyone have some tips for somewhat replicating that Ace turn on Indy trucks?

Since Ace are standard shape barrel shaped bushings with 91a on top and 86a on bottom...

I'm thinking about putting a stock Indy bushing on top, Indy Standard Soft bushing on the bottom (90a/88a). Or a Bones Medium on top (91a/88a).

I'm not sure which one would have a better chance at nailing it. Anyone else do any experiments like this?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on July 27, 2022, 07:46:42 PM
Quote from: FuzzGNU on July 27, 2022, 07:39:42 PM
Anyone have some tips for somewhat replicating that Ace turn on Indy trucks?

Since Ace are standard shape barrel shaped bushings with 91a on top and 86a on bottom...

I'm thinking about putting a stock Indy bushing on top, Indy Standard Soft bushing on the bottom (90a/88a). Or a Bones Medium on top (91a/88a).

I'm not sure which one would have a better chance at nailing it. Anyone else do any experiments like this?

I run bottom barrel 90a and top 92a bushings on my Indys and it works for me. Turns and carves easily while still being stable. I did this because at the time before I made this decision, my Indys were too unstable with 90a but wasn't turning good with 92a. Combining both gave me the best of both worlds without being extremely different from stock Indy. If you have a bigger durometer difference (such as top 92a and bottom 88a) you'll for sure get a feeling similar to Aces.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on July 27, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
Quote from: Wizard0f0dds on July 27, 2022, 06:37:21 PM
Quote from: FGO925 on July 27, 2022, 02:52:51 PM
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Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 26, 2022, 08:00:20 PM
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I recently switched back to Thunders as well and concur- I skate the most consistently on them and really prefer the turn. The grind doesn't feel insanely different on the things I skate, but the Indy grind is the best on chunky stuff.
[close]

what thunders would yall recommend? Is it same as ventures where the cast base plate is more sought after?

For example on tactics, I see the "Lights", "Hollow Lights", and "Hollow Lights II".

What is the go to for thunders?? And maybe a bushing recommendation. I always prefer hard bushings and I rock them decently loose. Makes the feel, pinch, and carve super solid for me.

On my current ventures I have the stock bottom bushing with a hard top bushing and its amazing.
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I personally like the cast baseplates, right now I'm on 149 Teams (standards) but Team Hollows would be good for me too. I ride them pretty loose with stock bushings, 54mm OG Classics and the wheelbite is pretty manageable, but I probably wouldn't get anyting bigger than 54 without risers (and if I ever tried forged plates then I'd probably step down to 52-53mm)

Depending on the deck size, standard is great for smaller deck sizes, I'd only start considering lights / hollow lights on 8.5 decks. The Standard is very lightweight and reducing the weight on a smaller board leads to a dinky feeling setup.

Team (cast) baseplate for sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodnews_cigjuice on July 27, 2022, 08:10:58 PM
Indy 149 hollows, Indy orange 90a aftermarket conical bushings. No top washer, Yes bottom washer. I usually go with the bones medium hardcore bushings but went with the indy aftermarkets and theyre actually really nice. Rebound well and broke in right away.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 27, 2022, 08:25:38 PM
Quote from: FuzzGNU on July 27, 2022, 07:39:42 PM
Anyone have some tips for somewhat replicating that Ace turn on Indy trucks?

Since Ace are standard shape barrel shaped bushings with 91a on top and 86a on bottom...

I'm thinking about putting a stock Indy bushing on top, Indy Standard Soft bushing on the bottom (90a/88a). Or a Bones Medium on top (91a/88a).

I'm not sure which one would have a better chance at nailing it. Anyone else do any experiments like this?

Just trim down the Ace bushings or get Supercush 88 for the bottom and an Indy blue or black for the top. The Indy Soft red bushings suck and are harder than the blues.

Also, the stock orange feel identical to me compared to the aftermarket blues. The aftermarket orange are softer than stock. I put my board upside down with a 65lb weight on it so it wouldn't move then placed a 55lb weight on top of a wheel and measured the distance from deck several times, leveling out the truck each time. The Indy stock and blue were within a mm or 2 at same kingpin tightness, aftermarket orange was definitely 5mm more deflection.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on July 27, 2022, 11:09:46 PM
if i didnt ride ventures id definitely be on thunder
low, light, and snappy cant be beat
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bombsaway86 on July 27, 2022, 11:15:44 PM
Quote from: FuzzGNU on July 27, 2022, 07:39:42 PM
Anyone have some tips for somewhat replicating that Ace turn on Indy trucks?

Since Ace are standard shape barrel shaped bushings with 91a on top and 86a on bottom...

I'm thinking about putting a stock Indy bushing on top, Indy Standard Soft bushing on the bottom (90a/88a). Or a Bones Medium on top (91a/88a).

I'm not sure which one would have a better chance at nailing it. Anyone else do any experiments like this?

I have Ace low bushings in my Indy’s and it’s pretty close. If you can’t find the lows, you can shave down the standard Ace bushings 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 27, 2022, 11:35:42 PM
Quote from: bombsaway86 on July 27, 2022, 11:15:44 PM
Quote from: FuzzGNU on July 27, 2022, 07:39:42 PM
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Anyone have some tips for somewhat replicating that Ace turn on Indy trucks?

Since Ace are standard shape barrel shaped bushings with 91a on top and 86a on bottom...

I'm thinking about putting a stock Indy bushing on top, Indy Standard Soft bushing on the bottom (90a/88a). Or a Bones Medium on top (91a/88a).

I'm not sure which one would have a better chance at nailing it. Anyone else do any experiments like this?
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I have Ace low bushings in my Indy’s and it’s pretty close. If you can’t find the lows, you can shave down the standard Ace bushings

Oh wow, you're saying these work fine for Indy?

https://shop.acetrucks.com/products/ace-low-standard-bushings

Any "compatibility" issues?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bombsaway86 on July 28, 2022, 09:08:54 AM
Quote from: FuzzGNU on July 27, 2022, 11:35:42 PM
Quote from: bombsaway86 on July 27, 2022, 11:15:44 PM
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Quote from: FuzzGNU on July 27, 2022, 07:39:42 PM
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Anyone have some tips for somewhat replicating that Ace turn on Indy trucks?

Since Ace are standard shape barrel shaped bushings with 91a on top and 86a on bottom...

I'm thinking about putting a stock Indy bushing on top, Indy Standard Soft bushing on the bottom (90a/88a). Or a Bones Medium on top (91a/88a).

I'm not sure which one would have a better chance at nailing it. Anyone else do any experiments like this?
[close]

I have Ace low bushings in my Indy’s and it’s pretty close. If you can’t find the lows, you can shave down the standard Ace bushings
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Oh wow, you're saying these work fine for Indy?

https://shop.acetrucks.com/products/ace-low-standard-bushings

Any "compatibility" issues?

I’ve been running them for 8 months with no issues. They’re barely shorter than stock Indy bushings. Standard Ace bushings are pretty tall

Indy - bottom 13mm, top 10.5mm
Ace low - bottom 12mm, top 10mm
Ace standard - bottom 14mm, top 12mm

It still won’t feel exactly like Aces due to the geometry, but it’s the closest you can get with Indy’s.  I went a little crazy trying a bunch of different bushings when I switched back to Indy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 28, 2022, 11:09:15 AM
Quote from: bombsaway86 on July 28, 2022, 09:08:54 AM
Quote from: FuzzGNU on July 27, 2022, 11:35:42 PM
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Quote from: bombsaway86 on July 27, 2022, 11:15:44 PM
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Quote from: FuzzGNU on July 27, 2022, 07:39:42 PM
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Anyone have some tips for somewhat replicating that Ace turn on Indy trucks?

Since Ace are standard shape barrel shaped bushings with 91a on top and 86a on bottom...

I'm thinking about putting a stock Indy bushing on top, Indy Standard Soft bushing on the bottom (90a/88a). Or a Bones Medium on top (91a/88a).

I'm not sure which one would have a better chance at nailing it. Anyone else do any experiments like this?
[close]

I have Ace low bushings in my Indy’s and it’s pretty close. If you can’t find the lows, you can shave down the standard Ace bushings
[close]

Oh wow, you're saying these work fine for Indy?

https://shop.acetrucks.com/products/ace-low-standard-bushings

Any "compatibility" issues?
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I’ve been running them for 8 months with no issues. They’re barely shorter than stock Indy bushings. Standard Ace bushings are pretty tall

Indy - bottom 13mm, top 10.5mm
Ace low - bottom 12mm, top 10mm
Ace standard - bottom 14mm, top 12mm

It still won’t feel exactly like Aces due to the geometry, but it’s the closest you can get with Indy’s.  I went a little crazy trying a bunch of different bushings when I switched back to Indy

Awesome. Thanks a ton. Grabbed some.

And thanks for the dimensions. Great info to know!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FGO925 on July 28, 2022, 11:26:36 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 27, 2022, 03:28:09 PM
Man weird user name- I skated FGO from like 1998-2002 and most of my friends did before and after.

I honestly ride the Teams or Standards. They're already pretty light compared to a Venture and have the taller cast plate.

As for bushings I never swap mine so I can't help there. Maybe try either Bones or Thunder Hards and shave down the top slightly? I think the Indy conical bushings fit too.


Good shit, its such a terrible park but I love that place. I wonder if I would know any of them, grew up skating fgo since I was a kid with all the homies there, but I started hanging there around 2007 ish - you'd probably know the homie Dustin haha.

And thanks everyone for the advice. I usually have a 8.5 and 8.25 in the quiver. The 8.25 is what Im looking to switch out my old busted ventures for the thunders (149).

So the team truck has a slightly taller ride I'm seeing, but id be riding 53's/54 max. Might just shoot for the hollow's? fuck idk. Either way Ill go to the local shop and see what they have in stock. Just hard to make a decision with all the trade-off's. Got the ol' gear madness real bad rn

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on July 28, 2022, 11:33:53 AM
Quote from: FGO925 on July 28, 2022, 11:26:36 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 27, 2022, 03:28:09 PM
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Man weird user name- I skated FGO from like 1998-2002 and most of my friends did before and after.

I honestly ride the Teams or Standards. They're already pretty light compared to a Venture and have the taller cast plate.

As for bushings I never swap mine so I can't help there. Maybe try either Bones or Thunder Hards and shave down the top slightly? I think the Indy conical bushings fit too.
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Good shit, its such a terrible park but I love that place. I wonder if I would know any of them, grew up skating fgo since I was a kid with all the homies there, but I started hanging there around 2007 ish - you'd probably know the homie Dustin haha.

And thanks everyone for the advice. I usually have a 8.5 and 8.25 in the quiver. The 8.25 is what Im looking to switch out my old busted ventures for the thunders (149).

So the team truck has a slightly taller ride I'm seeing, but id be riding 53's/54 max. Might just shoot for the hollow's? fuck idk. Either way Ill go to the local shop and see what they have in stock. Just hard to make a decision with all the trade-off's. Got the ol' gear madness real bad rn

Team Hollows have the cast baseplate with hollow axle and kingpin if you're looking for the taller ride but lighter weight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FGO925 on July 28, 2022, 02:35:22 PM
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Man weird user name- I skated FGO from like 1998-2002 and most of my friends did before and after.

I honestly ride the Teams or Standards. They're already pretty light compared to a Venture and have the taller cast plate.

As for bushings I never swap mine so I can't help there. Maybe try either Bones or Thunder Hards and shave down the top slightly? I think the Indy conical bushings fit too.
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Good shit, its such a terrible park but I love that place. I wonder if I would know any of them, grew up skating fgo since I was a kid with all the homies there, but I started hanging there around 2007 ish - you'd probably know the homie Dustin haha.

And thanks everyone for the advice. I usually have a 8.5 and 8.25 in the quiver. The 8.25 is what Im looking to switch out my old busted ventures for the thunders (149).

So the team truck has a slightly taller ride I'm seeing, but id be riding 53's/54 max. Might just shoot for the hollow's? fuck idk. Either way Ill go to the local shop and see what they have in stock. Just hard to make a decision with all the trade-off's. Got the ol' gear madness real bad rn
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Team Hollows have the cast baseplate with hollow axle and kingpin if you're looking for the taller ride but lighter weight.



Nice ok maybe thats the move then. Ill go see whats up with the local shop at the end of today.

I wonder what most of the thunder team themselves ride. Its always funny to me when I think of all this gear madness, and I'd bet most of the team riders for any truck company never bother to delve into the nitty gritty or any of the madness we often do.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on July 28, 2022, 02:46:09 PM
Quote from: FuzzGNU on July 27, 2022, 07:39:42 PM
Anyone have some tips for somewhat replicating that Ace turn on Indy trucks?

Since Ace are standard shape barrel shaped bushings with 91a on top and 86a on bottom...

I'm thinking about putting a stock Indy bushing on top, Indy Standard Soft bushing on the bottom (90a/88a). Or a Bones Medium on top (91a/88a).

I'm not sure which one would have a better chance at nailing it. Anyone else do any experiments like this?

Ace bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: notinternetfamous on July 28, 2022, 03:57:38 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on July 28, 2022, 02:46:09 PM
Quote from: FuzzGNU on July 27, 2022, 07:39:42 PM
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Anyone have some tips for somewhat replicating that Ace turn on Indy trucks?

Since Ace are standard shape barrel shaped bushings with 91a on top and 86a on bottom...

I'm thinking about putting a stock Indy bushing on top, Indy Standard Soft bushing on the bottom (90a/88a). Or a Bones Medium on top (91a/88a).

I'm not sure which one would have a better chance at nailing it. Anyone else do any experiments like this?
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Ace bushings AF1 Trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 28, 2022, 04:04:51 PM
Quote from: FGO925 on July 28, 2022, 02:35:22 PM
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Man weird user name- I skated FGO from like 1998-2002 and most of my friends did before and after.

I honestly ride the Teams or Standards. They're already pretty light compared to a Venture and have the taller cast plate.

As for bushings I never swap mine so I can't help there. Maybe try either Bones or Thunder Hards and shave down the top slightly? I think the Indy conical bushings fit too.
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Good shit, its such a terrible park but I love that place. I wonder if I would know any of them, grew up skating fgo since I was a kid with all the homies there, but I started hanging there around 2007 ish - you'd probably know the homie Dustin haha.

And thanks everyone for the advice. I usually have a 8.5 and 8.25 in the quiver. The 8.25 is what Im looking to switch out my old busted ventures for the thunders (149).

So the team truck has a slightly taller ride I'm seeing, but id be riding 53's/54 max. Might just shoot for the hollow's? fuck idk. Either way Ill go to the local shop and see what they have in stock. Just hard to make a decision with all the trade-off's. Got the ol' gear madness real bad rn
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Team Hollows have the cast baseplate with hollow axle and kingpin if you're looking for the taller ride but lighter weight.
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Nice ok maybe thats the move then. Ill go see whats up with the local shop at the end of today.

I wonder what most of the thunder team themselves ride. Its always funny to me when I think of all this gear madness, and I'd bet most of the team riders for any truck company never bother to delve into the nitty gritty or any of the madness we often do.

Their IG page features riders and their trucks. Most ride just the standard teams some ride the lights.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 28, 2022, 07:48:31 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 28, 2022, 04:04:51 PM
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Man weird user name- I skated FGO from like 1998-2002 and most of my friends did before and after.

I honestly ride the Teams or Standards. They're already pretty light compared to a Venture and have the taller cast plate.

As for bushings I never swap mine so I can't help there. Maybe try either Bones or Thunder Hards and shave down the top slightly? I think the Indy conical bushings fit too.
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Good shit, its such a terrible park but I love that place. I wonder if I would know any of them, grew up skating fgo since I was a kid with all the homies there, but I started hanging there around 2007 ish - you'd probably know the homie Dustin haha.

And thanks everyone for the advice. I usually have a 8.5 and 8.25 in the quiver. The 8.25 is what Im looking to switch out my old busted ventures for the thunders (149).

So the team truck has a slightly taller ride I'm seeing, but id be riding 53's/54 max. Might just shoot for the hollow's? fuck idk. Either way Ill go to the local shop and see what they have in stock. Just hard to make a decision with all the trade-off's. Got the ol' gear madness real bad rn
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Team Hollows have the cast baseplate with hollow axle and kingpin if you're looking for the taller ride but lighter weight.
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Nice ok maybe thats the move then. Ill go see whats up with the local shop at the end of today.

I wonder what most of the thunder team themselves ride. Its always funny to me when I think of all this gear madness, and I'd bet most of the team riders for any truck company never bother to delve into the nitty gritty or any of the madness we often do.
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Their IG page features riders and their trucks. Most ride just the standard teams some ride the lights.

Feels like a lot of pros, across the different brands, ride the cast versions of the trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 28, 2022, 11:04:06 PM
Pros ride what’s free in their box…sure some get to request ti, hollows, etc., but most ride cast/standards  because they’re free and that’s what they’re used too.

You know how expensive it would be to send ti or forged hollows to everyone?

Sell them off, buy hollows or ti…they don’t have madness they skate them to the ground…
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 29, 2022, 06:23:22 AM
I asked a pro why they switched from Indy to Thunder and they said that they were getting Spitfires and all of a sudden Thunders just showed up in the same box so they figured they'd just ride em.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on July 29, 2022, 06:28:09 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 29, 2022, 06:23:22 AM
I asked a pro why they switched from Indy to Thunder and they said that they were getting Spitfires and all of a sudden Thunders just showed up in the same box so they figured they'd just ride em.

That's hilarious and completely believable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beatifk on July 29, 2022, 06:52:03 AM
(https://i.gifer.com/51O.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on July 29, 2022, 08:34:39 AM
Quote from: Paperclip20 on July 29, 2022, 06:28:09 AM
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I asked a pro why they switched from Indy to Thunder and they said that they were getting Spitfires and all of a sudden Thunders just showed up in the same box so they figured they'd just ride em.
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That's hilarious and completely believable.

I think most skaters don't have that brand/product loyalty, or gear madness. They just ride whatever

also, I like that DLX just threw a set of trucks in the box to see what would happen
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 29, 2022, 11:14:36 AM
Quote from: TwisT on July 29, 2022, 08:34:39 AM
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Quote from: LebowskisRug on July 29, 2022, 06:23:22 AM
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I asked a pro why they switched from Indy to Thunder and they said that they were getting Spitfires and all of a sudden Thunders just showed up in the same box so they figured they'd just ride em.
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That's hilarious and completely believable.
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I think most skaters don't have that brand/product loyalty, or gear madness. They just ride whatever

also, I like that DLX just threw a set of trucks in the box to see what would happen

Jim T is an angel and deserves nothing but the best.
I would fight for him.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 29, 2022, 02:44:35 PM
Most truck companies don’t pay, or don’t pay much so I can see why a pro may skate thunders because spitfire is already hooking them up, or Indy because they just like them….there’s always that exception like Zared skating for Tensor but guys usually don’t skate trucks for the money….
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on July 30, 2022, 08:38:47 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on July 29, 2022, 02:44:35 PM
Most truck companies don’t pay, or don’t pay much so I can see why a pro may skate thunders because spitfire is already hooking them up, or Indy because they just like them….there’s always that exception like Zared skating for Tensor but guys usually don’t skate trucks for the money….

A lot of people would probably skate Thunders just because they came they showed up at the door and didn’t have to call over to NHS and request anything.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on July 30, 2022, 10:56:15 AM
Ace Pelka mentions new Indys and shows them on his setup 30 seconds into this vid. They look like 215s but possibly narrower?


https://youtu.be/o9GB3BxJDG4 (https://youtu.be/o9GB3BxJDG4)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: skatebruh on July 30, 2022, 10:59:02 AM
That's a 10" board so they might just be 215s, and Ace might not have known that the hanger has been different forever.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on July 30, 2022, 11:52:43 AM
Quote from: babywantsbluevelvet on July 30, 2022, 10:56:15 AM
Ace Pelka mentions new Indys and shows them on his setup 30 seconds into this vid. They look like 215s but possibly narrower?


https://youtu.be/o9GB3BxJDG4 (https://youtu.be/o9GB3BxJDG4)

Maybe this is what you’re referencing, but Indy is going to release a reproduction of their Stage IV truck soon, which is from my understanding what the 215 already is. That’s probably what he’s referencing.

(https://i.ibb.co/WnxRSQx/ED97-F974-4-F2-C-4-E3-E-82-D4-B599-F528-BC93.png) (https://ibb.co/WnxRSQx)(https://i.ibb.co/yszD3Sq/4192-F19-C-2621-447-A-8-F51-F580521-AFCA2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yszD3Sq)(https://i.ibb.co/3FM0ZCM/E285-A238-0457-4-EF3-AAF5-B140977-D96-B6.png) (https://ibb.co/3FM0ZCM)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on July 30, 2022, 04:17:53 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on July 30, 2022, 11:52:43 AM
Quote from: babywantsbluevelvet on July 30, 2022, 10:56:15 AM
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Ace Pelka mentions new Indys and shows them on his setup 30 seconds into this vid. They look like 215s but possibly narrower?


https://youtu.be/o9GB3BxJDG4 (https://youtu.be/o9GB3BxJDG4)
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Maybe this is what you’re referencing, but Indy is going to release a reproduction of their Stage IV truck soon, which is from my understanding what the 215 already is. That’s probably what he’s referencing.

(https://i.ibb.co/WnxRSQx/ED97-F974-4-F2-C-4-E3-E-82-D4-B599-F528-BC93.png) (https://ibb.co/WnxRSQx)(https://i.ibb.co/yszD3Sq/4192-F19-C-2621-447-A-8-F51-F580521-AFCA2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yszD3Sq)(https://i.ibb.co/3FM0ZCM/E285-A238-0457-4-EF3-AAF5-B140977-D96-B6.png) (https://ibb.co/3FM0ZCM)

I be was just thinking about this.

This definitely would get me riding some new Indy’s.

I can’t believe this.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hobochimp on July 30, 2022, 05:11:51 PM
Anyone know what height stage iv’s are? Same as current Indy? Or shorter
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 30, 2022, 06:27:53 PM
Looks like if I ordered a Thunder off AliExpress.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jakeumms on July 31, 2022, 11:31:33 AM
Quote from: hobochimp on July 30, 2022, 05:11:51 PM
Anyone know what height stage iv’s are? Same as current Indy? Or shorter
I wondered the same thing when I first saw leaks of the Stage IV reissues. I searched around and I believe they have always been 55m with the exception of stages 9 and 10. That's from the Jenkem Indy cult article.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank on July 31, 2022, 12:34:33 PM
so those 166 are going to be 9 inch wide i guess?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on July 31, 2022, 02:07:52 PM
I still think it's so weird they're releasing a stage 4. What do you think is their plan with that? Just a little "fuck you" to ace?
Wouldn't more people want a stage 7 reissue?

I just now realized that without any kind of logo, a standard indy stage 4 might just look like an ace to most people and work against independent. Anti-marketing?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 31, 2022, 02:43:41 PM
Quote from: goodatmeth on July 31, 2022, 02:07:52 PM
I still think it's so weird they're releasing a stage 4. What do you think is their plan with that? Just a little "fuck you" to ace?
Wouldn't more people want a stage 7 reissue?

I just now realized that without any kind of logo, a standard indy stage 4 might just look like an ace to most people and work against independent. Anti-marketing?

Not that it really matters, but they also look way uglier than Ace. Ace might be my favorite looking truck, and these might be some of the ugliest trucks I've ever seen. Looks like it was modeled out of play-doh.

EDIT: I think my issue is that the Ace keep that cylinder shape until it contacts the rest of the truck... while the Indy just kinda mushes/molds it into the rest of the truck in a way that doesn't look as defined and sleek to me.

https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/stage-4-polished-skateboard-trucks-independent
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 31, 2022, 03:37:21 PM
Quote from: goodatmeth on July 31, 2022, 02:07:52 PM
I still think it's so weird they're releasing a stage 4. What do you think is their plan with that? Just a little "fuck you" to ace?
Wouldn't more people want a stage 7 reissue?

I just now realized that without any kind of logo, a standard indy stage 4 might just look like an ace to most people and work against independent. Anti-marketing?

Nostalgia cash grab for old dudes that ride pools? I mean Santa Cruz is basically that. And no, stage 7 offer nothing to modern skaters. Ben Degros' summary is pretty good- they had a really hefty pop feel and not great kingpin clearance and don't turn any better than stage 11
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on July 31, 2022, 03:48:55 PM
I'm all set on trucks for a while but I'd totally buy and skate some Stage IV just cuz. Seems like it'll be fun.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on July 31, 2022, 06:27:55 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on July 31, 2022, 03:48:55 PM
I'm all set on trucks for a while but I'd totally buy and skate some Stage IV just cuz. Seems like it'll be fun.

Yes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on July 31, 2022, 07:19:57 PM
Never noticed how bad the kingpin clearance is on 215's. If the smaller sizes use the same geo then it's probably safe to assume they will still have that long kingpin. Might as well just stick with AF1's, the clearance is definitely better than that.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: intendedreceivers on August 01, 2022, 10:08:23 AM
My 215s have the same clearance as my 169s. 5-6mm depending on how tight the nut is.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 01, 2022, 01:02:50 PM
These trucks are meant to die in a quiver…
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cucktard on August 01, 2022, 05:45:33 PM
Stage IV hangers but with the inverted kingpin baseplate might get people buying them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Plan9Customs on August 01, 2022, 06:21:55 PM
Quote from: logjammin on July 31, 2022, 07:19:57 PM
Never noticed how bad the kingpin clearance is on 215's. If the smaller sizes use the same geo then it's probably safe to assume they will still have that long kingpin. Might as well just stick with AF1's, the clearance is definitely better than that.
I have a set of the new 215s and can confirm the kingpins ARE NOT any longer than the standard/forged hollows. Same kingpin clearance as all the stage 11s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HyperBeam on August 01, 2022, 06:45:52 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 01, 2022, 01:02:50 PM
These trucks are meant to die in a quiver…

lol foreal
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 01, 2022, 09:12:56 PM
Indy corporate meeting:

"Maybe we should invest in an all around rebranding. We took the cross off the baseplate but we still have a ton of alt frat bro imagery and marketing. Sales are great after all."

"Nah dude let's invest in some molds to make a reproduction that only 40+ bowl trolls will end up using. We can then double down on the alt frat bro nostalgia."

"You're promoted to CEO for life"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on August 01, 2022, 09:49:36 PM
If they fill that gap between the Ace turn and the Indy grind, I’m down.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 01, 2022, 09:58:54 PM
Anyone ride a Baker or similar mellow deck on Thunders? If so, how was it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 01, 2022, 10:37:55 PM
Q: Will these be available in 139, 149?

NHS Fun Factory 07/26/22
A: Hi there,

Stage 4 will not be available in those sizes, sorry about that.

--

Off the Q&A from the Stage IV product page.

(https://i.ibb.co/nCRCJDQ/123.png) (https://ibb.co/nCRCJDQ)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on August 01, 2022, 10:39:52 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on August 01, 2022, 09:12:56 PM
Indy corporate meeting:

"Maybe we should invest in an all around rebranding. We took the cross off the baseplate but we still have a ton of alt frat bro imagery and marketing. Sales are great after all."

"Nah dude let's invest in some molds to make a reproduction that only 40+ bowl trolls will end up using. We can then double down on the alt frat bro nostalgia."

"You're promoted to CEO for life"

You forgot about doubling the price - all things nostalgic have a 1.5 - 3 times price multiplier effect, 40+ year old bowl trolls are willing and able to pay the premium, you're leaving money on the table by charging MSRP.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on August 04, 2022, 08:31:22 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on August 01, 2022, 09:58:54 PM
Anyone ride a Baker or similar mellow deck on Thunders? If so, how was it?

SEE: Bryan Herman ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 04, 2022, 09:05:38 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on August 01, 2022, 09:12:56 PM
Indy corporate meeting:

"Maybe we should invest in an all around rebranding. We took the cross off the baseplate but we still have a ton of alt frat bro imagery and marketing. Sales are great after all."

"Nah dude let's invest in some molds to make a reproduction that only 40+ bowl trolls will end up using. We can then double down on the alt frat bro nostalgia."

"You're promoted to CEO for life"

In fairness Stage 4s were from a time when Frat Bros certainly weren't allowed in skateboarding. But as a 40+ yr old bowl troll I believe you are otherwise correct.

So will they be available in 156, 166 and 215?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 04, 2022, 09:44:21 PM

Seems fair that they would do them in the wider sizes only.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on August 09, 2022, 01:21:21 PM
Is there a standard size for flat washers? I think I need to pick up a couple to raise my Bones bottom bushing on my Royal ultra lights.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LewFarrell on August 09, 2022, 04:19:24 PM
Muirskate has them or source with these specs:
 .377" Hole x .875" Diameter, x .08" Thick
9.6mm Hole x 22.2mm Diameter x 2mm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: texasplant on August 09, 2022, 07:18:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/foXBUGS.png)

Via Rhino
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hobochimp on August 09, 2022, 08:16:37 PM
Quote from: texasplant on August 09, 2022, 07:18:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/foXBUGS.png)

Via Rhino

Huh back of the truck looks different than I thought
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on August 10, 2022, 06:38:28 AM
Ace on one side and weird looking Transformer trucks you can buy on a Target complete on the other.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on August 10, 2022, 06:59:09 AM
Wow this is the first truck that makes me uncomfortable just looking at it. It's just wrong. The ace-side looks nice on this pic though. Other side looks like venture wings but in a very wrong way
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Orangepulp1000 on August 10, 2022, 07:16:55 AM
Looks like an ace fucked a venture
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 10, 2022, 08:13:54 AM
Probably a bad angle and weird lighting. Either way, these Stage 4 reissues are probably going to be very heavy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BurgerCop on August 10, 2022, 08:55:25 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on August 01, 2022, 09:58:54 PM
Anyone ride a Baker or similar mellow deck on Thunders? If so, how was it?

Late reply, but I have.
It works great for me. I like a deck with a mellow tail and lower trucks because I like my setup to be as responsive as possible. I like a fast pop. I like mellow concave because I typically put my front foot really far on the board for flip tricks and flick really hard, so when I skate a deck with steeper concave I over-flip things.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on August 10, 2022, 04:59:47 PM
Quote from: Orangepulp1000 on August 10, 2022, 07:16:55 AM
Looks like an ace fucked a venture

No doubt.

Seriously ugly bracing/reinforcement going on...but we'll never see it when riding and nor anyone in front or behind you really.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 10, 2022, 07:28:22 PM
Quote from: KC_Rookie on August 10, 2022, 08:55:25 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on August 01, 2022, 09:58:54 PM
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Anyone ride a Baker or similar mellow deck on Thunders? If so, how was it?
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Late reply, but I have.
It works great for me. I like a deck with a mellow tail and lower trucks because I like my setup to be as responsive as possible. I like a fast pop. I like mellow concave because I typically put my front foot really far on the board for flip tricks and flick really hard, so when I skate a deck with steeper concave I over-flip things.


That reminds me of the Kyle Walker setup - the most mellow concave deck available, Thunder trucks, can still do everything he needs to do.

I also like how you explain it too.  Makes perfect sense.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on August 10, 2022, 08:17:37 PM
Quote from: Plan9Customs on August 01, 2022, 06:21:55 PM
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Never noticed how bad the kingpin clearance is on 215's. If the smaller sizes use the same geo then it's probably safe to assume they will still have that long kingpin. Might as well just stick with AF1's, the clearance is definitely better than that.
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I have a set of the new 215s and can confirm the kingpins ARE NOT any longer than the standard/forged hollows. Same kingpin clearance as all the stage 11s.

Can you post a pic?  my new 215s came with a kingpin that was 1/4 longer and a way taller top bushing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 11, 2022, 02:24:44 AM
Quote from: BMCsteve on August 10, 2022, 08:17:37 PM
Quote from: Plan9Customs on August 01, 2022, 06:21:55 PM
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Never noticed how bad the kingpin clearance is on 215's. If the smaller sizes use the same geo then it's probably safe to assume they will still have that long kingpin. Might as well just stick with AF1's, the clearance is definitely better than that.
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I have a set of the new 215s and can confirm the kingpins ARE NOT any longer than the standard/forged hollows. Same kingpin clearance as all the stage 11s.
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Can you post a pic?  my new 215s came with a kingpin that was 1/4 longer and a way taller top bushing


I am wondering if these are the new improved versions, or the previous versions.

The normal Stage 11 (USA made) with cross and everything 215s I have are the same as the other Stage 11s, but then I think there were the new ones which had a taller kingpin, like the old trucks, but people didn't like that version so they changed it again or something.

I haven't seen any new current stock, but will check next time.

Those with crosses on the baseplate or those without crosses might be the best way to identify them, but people would have to check and confirm.


This is what mine look like, which is the stock pic from most Indy 215 listings, but it still seems mine have more clearance than it looks like in this pic.


(https://www.basementskate.com.au/images/P/independent-215-stage-11-skateboard-trucks.png)



This is the latest version on NHS site, with taller top bushings:

https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/stage-4-polished-skateboard-trucks-independent


(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0527/5051/6381/products/66019_1000x.jpg)



Adding this pic of the newer versions too, which is high res when opened and zoomed in on:


(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1619/8105/products/Indy-215-Trucks-5.jpg)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on August 11, 2022, 06:42:12 AM
I don’t get why people say that truck looks weird. It looks totally fine to me. I don’t know that I’ll be buying a set but there’s nothing visually wrong with it, to my eyes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 11, 2022, 07:03:50 AM
The front truck appears to have Venture "wings" but on the kingpin/board side. It could just be the angle tho.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Plan9Customs on August 11, 2022, 12:32:37 PM
Quote from: BMCsteve on August 10, 2022, 08:17:37 PM
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Never noticed how bad the kingpin clearance is on 215's. If the smaller sizes use the same geo then it's probably safe to assume they will still have that long kingpin. Might as well just stick with AF1's, the clearance is definitely better than that.
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I have a set of the new 215s and can confirm the kingpins ARE NOT any longer than the standard/forged hollows. Same kingpin clearance as all the stage 11s.
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Can you post a pic?  my new 215s came with a kingpin that was 1/4 longer and a way taller top bushing
@BMCsteve ill try to swing by nieces after work since I gave her the only standard set I had(aside from the 215s) and get a comparison pic for you. I heard that the kingpin was longer on here when I ordered them so I was going to swap with the standard 149s and they were the same height(my 215s are the new stage 11 no cross) but did have a taller bushing(same size as the bottoms on standards).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Plan9Customs on August 11, 2022, 09:06:06 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/Vkywv9q0/50-DCD3-BA-C626-4-DDB-8-F45-B6113-FAA55-F7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GHjVSySb)
Baseplate is a US made 149 and I know the 215 looks taller in the pic but baseplate is on the concave and I ride my trucks jiggly loose so it’s an optical illusion, the hanger is dropping to the left. If there is a difference it’s less than 1/16”.
The 215s are stage 11 geo with no cross on the baseplate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 12, 2022, 01:10:55 AM
Had a bit of a rough fall and got some nasty whiplash due to some Bones Soft bushings on my Indys that I couldn't get to work for me. That was the last straw and I put some Ace Low bushings on as someone in here suggested.

The turn obviously doesn't feel quite like Ace, but I'm enjoying it. 8.5 Indy Hollows with Ace Low bushings has been a good combination of getting a taste of the Ace turn, but with a lighter-weight 8.5 flush truck.

I'm shocked by how much weight the Indy Hollows take off. Didn't think I would notice the difference tbh, but its a good balance without taking off too much weight. I feel like once you get up to 8.5 boards, that weight reduction is worth it. Hopefully I can get a few flip tricks back now. Its felt like I've been flipping a boat on certain tricks between my big wheels and heavy trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 12, 2022, 01:22:11 AM
Quote from: Plan9Customs on August 11, 2022, 09:06:06 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/Vkywv9q0/50-DCD3-BA-C626-4-DDB-8-F45-B6113-FAA55-F7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GHjVSySb)
Baseplate is a US made 149 and I know the 215 looks taller in the pic but baseplate is on the concave and I ride my trucks jiggly loose so it’s an optical illusion, the hanger is dropping to the left. If there is a difference it’s less than 1/16”.
The 215s are stage 11 geo with no cross on the baseplate.

Your deck and wheel graphics compliment each other really well. What wheels are those?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 12, 2022, 07:38:46 AM
 The hollow axle takes off as much weight as like 3 quarters. There is no way it's that noticeable. What I've found is that the forged Ti and maybe forged Hollow feel lighter because the plates and kingpins take off more weight than the axle AND they're lower so there's a lighter/quicker pop. But I really dislike those versions.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 12, 2022, 09:33:28 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on August 12, 2022, 07:38:46 AM
The hollow axle takes off as much weight as like 3 quarters. There is no way it's that noticeable. What I've found is that the forged Ti and maybe forged Hollow feel lighter because the plates and kingpins take off more weight than the axle AND they're lower so there's a lighter/quicker pop. But I really dislike those versions.

It must be a difference in the deck (and truck geometry) then, because like I said, didn't think I would notice a difference... But definitely feels sightly lighter.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on August 12, 2022, 09:38:42 AM
Quote from: FuzzGNU on August 12, 2022, 09:33:28 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on August 12, 2022, 07:38:46 AM
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The hollow axle takes off as much weight as like 3 quarters. There is no way it's that noticeable. What I've found is that the forged Ti and maybe forged Hollow feel lighter because the plates and kingpins take off more weight than the axle AND they're lower so there's a lighter/quicker pop. But I really dislike those versions.
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It must be a difference in the deck (and truck geometry) then, because like I said, didn't think I would notice a difference... But definitely feels sightly lighter.

Even if it's a bit of a placebo, if your mind thinks it feels lighter, you'll skate like it's lighter. At least that's what I tell myself when I spend too much money on slightly lighter trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: intendedreceivers on August 12, 2022, 01:29:30 PM
Quote from: FuzzGNU on August 12, 2022, 01:22:11 AM
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(https://i.postimg.cc/Vkywv9q0/50-DCD3-BA-C626-4-DDB-8-F45-B6113-FAA55-F7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GHjVSySb)
Baseplate is a US made 149 and I know the 215 looks taller in the pic but baseplate is on the concave and I ride my trucks jiggly loose so it’s an optical illusion, the hanger is dropping to the left. If there is a difference it’s less than 1/16”.
The 215s are stage 11 geo with no cross on the baseplate.
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Your deck and wheel graphics compliment each other really well. What wheels are those?

Not me, but I have a set. They look like the floral Spitfire Classics, and I’m pretty sure you can still find them around:

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61fXhnmdvAS._AC_SL1200_.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Plan9Customs on August 12, 2022, 05:30:47 PM
^^^ He’s correct. Went to Grass Valley and hit Goodtimes and they didn’t have any 99/53s classic so 54 florals were the closest. Colors just were a coincidence.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stephop on August 15, 2022, 02:25:50 PM
So I have thunder lows and bones soft bushings. I've skated loose trucks forever but this combo seems way loose even as tighten them.I don't skate nearly as much so my balance does sucks more but they are like drunk loose. Not sure if it's just a bad truck to bushing combo. I've never not been able to skate any truck with the bolt flush on the kingpin. These are sketch. FYI I currently run them without washers I couldn't find any.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 15, 2022, 02:31:19 PM
Well, lets reverse what you've done here. First add maybe the top washer back, tighten to flush and see what's up. Then repeat with the bottom washer. IIRC Bones in Thunder's work fine with both washers. If they are still wacky maybe try the Indy white super soft conical bushings or look into options from Khiro or Riptide that are in the 70-80a range. You will need a conical bottom and I think the Indy conicals fit, but someone can correct me on that.

Also, you said Thunder lows- when did you buy these? Thunder only makes highs now although some of their highs can be fairly low.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stephop on August 15, 2022, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on August 15, 2022, 02:31:19 PM
Well, lets reverse what you've done here. First add maybe the top washer back, tighten to flush and see what's up. Then repeat with the bottom washer. IIRC Thunder's work fine with both washers. If they are still wacky maybe try the Indy white super soft conical bushings or look into options from Khiro or Riptide that are in the 70-80a range. You will need a conical bottom and I think the Indy conicals fit, but someone can correct me on that.

Also, you said Thunder lows- when did you buy these? Thunder only makes highs now although some of their highs can be fairly low.

My trucks are a few years old. I don't have any truck washers top or bottom laying around but you shouldn't need them with those bushings but I'll have to get some from my buddy I guess and see if it does anything.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 15, 2022, 03:06:02 PM
I don't know about Thunder low, but with the highs if you do not use a bottom washer it changes the pivot cup angle and truck geometry. Most people don't use one and get by fine, but you can just use the stock top washer as the bottom and Bones washer as the top.

If you have a hardware store nearby just take your board with you and go to the bulk section, take your kingpin nut off, and just try different washers on. Truck washers are not anything special.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 15, 2022, 03:10:10 PM
What year is it?  Are there thunder hi’s?  What happened?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: notinternetfamous on August 15, 2022, 03:31:54 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on August 15, 2022, 03:10:10 PM
What year is it?  Are there thunder hi’s?  What happened?
All thunders come in a standard "high" height, but are generally closer to the mid range (52mm). The only differences in height would be from forged plates, so subtract 1mm

143 - 147: 50mm
148 - 151: 52mm
161, 181: 53mm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on August 16, 2022, 10:58:55 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/CMZ7Lmh/WIN-20220816-13-54-57-Pro.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fn5pJq4)
pic hosting (https://imgbb.com/)

this was my first real skateboard truck. i am beyond stoked for these. these were given to me around the time my cousin passed away in 86. i had been banana boarding for 3 years at that point. im got one back when my homie mike passed away. :(

rip chris
rip mike
rip jake
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: slapattack on August 17, 2022, 06:44:53 AM
Recently have gone down the rabbit hole of truck madness this summer and now have every 8.5" truck from Thunder and Venture and ace and just sold my forged 149 indys bc I hate them as a company. Anyways I would just skate thunder 149 forged hollows if it werent for the lack of baseplate. Does anyone else struggle with super inconsistent slide tricks on thunders?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on August 17, 2022, 07:17:11 AM
Quote from: slapattack on August 17, 2022, 06:44:53 AM
Recently have gone down the rabbit hole of truck madness this summer and now have every 8.5" truck from Thunder and Venture and ace and just sold my forged 149 indys bc I hate them as a company. Anyways I would just skate thunder 149 forged hollows if it werent for the lack of baseplate. Does anyone else struggle with super inconsistent slide tricks on thunders?

It’s definitely an adjustment if you’re coming from indy or ace, but you get used to it really quickly. Because of the geometry, your wheels make contact before the base plate usually unless you’re running really small wheels. You have to think of it more like a powerslide or blunt slide even as opposed to a slide against baseplate
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: swongolianbbq on August 24, 2022, 02:16:57 PM
I was trying to find a gear swap or buy/sell/trade section on here but couldn't find it.

I have some fun truck stuff I don't want, was going to put it on eBay but figured I'd check here first

- Array sleeved washers, 2 barrel, 2 cone
- 1/8" stainless axle washers(equal to 4 stock washers, used with titanium axle nuts), four
- Ti axle nuts(thinner than regular nuts), four
- Ti kingpin nuts(thinner, can use taller top bushings)
- Ti inverted kingpins(sleeved washers sit flush with it)
- Tensor top bushings
- Stock Ace low bushings
- Stock red Venture bushings
- 3/4" bolts w/ shorty nuts(for forged baseplates on a VX or Flight), 8

I can't figure out how to post a pic, I'm on a phone.

Lmk if there's a swap thread I missed somehow

And I'm not sure if it's okay to post eBay links here

Halp






Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BurgerCop on August 24, 2022, 02:36:57 PM
Quote from: slapattack on August 17, 2022, 06:44:53 AM
Recently have gone down the rabbit hole of truck madness this summer and now have every 8.5" truck from Thunder and Venture and ace and just sold my forged 149 indys bc I hate them as a company. Anyways I would just skate thunder 149 forged hollows if it werent for the lack of baseplate. Does anyone else struggle with super inconsistent slide tricks on thunders?

I've been on Thunders for years and never had problems with slide tricks, but maybe I'm just used to them.
I skated Ventures for years because I came up in the mid/late 90s, then switched to Indy's for a bit because of all the fanfare, then tried Thunder last and never looked back.
I have Indy's on my cruiser deck (that I never use). After skating Thunder for so long, when I throw down on Indy's they feel...I dunno...squirrley is the best way I can put it. Like if I'm just trying to turn a tiny bit, if I lean even the tiniest bit too far the Indy just dives in on me. I've got brand new bushings in them and they're not particularly loose.
Not sure if that's normal, may be hard to notice if you're used to it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on August 24, 2022, 02:42:28 PM
Quote from: penis on August 24, 2022, 02:16:57 PM
I was trying to find a gear swap or buy/sell/trade section on here but couldn't find it.

I have some fun truck stuff I don't want, was going to put it on eBay but figured I'd check here first

- Array sleeved washers, 2 barrel, 2 cone
- 1/8" stainless axle washers(equal to 4 stock washers, used with titanium axle nuts), four
- Ti axle nuts(thinner than regular nuts), four
- Ti kingpin nuts(thinner, can use taller top bushings)
- Ti inverted kingpins(sleeved washers sit flush with it)
- Tensor top bushings
- Stock Ace low bushings
- Stock red Venture bushings
- 3/4" bolts w/ shorty nuts(for forged baseplates on a VX or Flight), 8

I can't figure out how to post a pic, I'm on a phone.

Lmk if there's a swap thread I missed somehow

And I'm not sure if it's okay to post eBay links here

Halp

It’s on the home page. Events and classifieds. For photos when you go to post you should see an add image to post button. Hope this helps.(https://i.ibb.co/NYFqbpT/C14181-A1-E5-EB-488-E-84-D9-17005-A74-B5-C2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NYFqbpT)(https://i.ibb.co/Mf5jNYF/77773888-9569-4-E80-B4-A8-C77-A0-CB92-F2-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Mf5jNYF)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: swongolianbbq on August 24, 2022, 06:08:50 PM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on August 24, 2022, 02:42:28 PM

It’s on the home page. Events and classifieds. For photos when you go to post you should see an add image to post button. Hope this helps.(https://i.ibb.co/NYFqbpT/C14181-A1-E5-EB-488-E-84-D9-17005-A74-B5-C2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NYFqbpT)(https://i.ibb.co/Mf5jNYF/77773888-9569-4-E80-B4-A8-C77-A0-CB92-F2-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Mf5jNYF)

Sweet, thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lepanto on August 25, 2022, 08:51:22 AM
1#
-Thunder lights 147
-Splitfire 51mm 101d f4 Classics
-Bushings: the ones that came with  the trucks but a little bit squeezed

2#
-Thunder hollow lights 148
-Splitfire 54mm 99du f4 Classics full
-Bushings: the ones that came with the trucks but a little bit squeezed
-Raiser 1/8
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on August 25, 2022, 07:38:50 PM
Congratulations on being normal….
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: swongolianbbq on August 31, 2022, 05:15:02 PM
Looks like Herman got the venture bushings in his thunders

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ch5bHEOPDWi/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= (https://www.instagram.com/p/Ch5bHEOPDWi/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on August 31, 2022, 08:18:24 PM
Nah, those are Thunder team hollows. The polished come with a clear red bushing stock. At first glance it looks like it though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 31, 2022, 09:31:05 PM
Quote from: slapattack on August 17, 2022, 06:44:53 AM
Recently have gone down the rabbit hole of truck madness this summer and now have every 8.5" truck from Thunder and Venture and ace and just sold my forged 149 indys bc I hate them as a company. Anyways I would just skate thunder 149 forged hollows if it werent for the lack of baseplate. Does anyone else struggle with super inconsistent slide tricks on thunders?

You need to almost powerslide your nose slides and/or have your foot further from the pocket. Waxing the wheel area helps.

And no I don't have slide issues with Thunders after I remember this. Kinda like how on Ventures the grind is slower so on certain types of ledges you have to go faster and almost "push" the grind.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: El Freegano on September 01, 2022, 12:58:33 AM
I was worried also about slide isseies when i bought my first thunders but it turns out that not only there are no issues but they even slide better on one very crusty ledge where the baseplate of my royals get cought. Just some wax on the wheelside of the ledge and you are perfect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on September 01, 2022, 05:27:46 AM
Quote from: El Freegano on September 01, 2022, 12:58:33 AM
I was worried also about slide isseies when i bought my first thunders but it turns out that not only there are no issues but they even slide better on one very crusty ledge where the baseplate of my royals get cought. Just some wax on the wheelside of the ledge and you are perfect.

This is the big reason I don't think they should change the baseplate. Not getting caught on chunky ledges is great. My indy's felt way better after the baseplate was a bit worn away.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on September 01, 2022, 05:33:20 AM
Quote from: Paperclip20 on September 01, 2022, 05:27:46 AM
Quote from: El Freegano on September 01, 2022, 12:58:33 AM
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I was worried also about slide isseies when i bought my first thunders but it turns out that not only there are no issues but they even slide better on one very crusty ledge where the baseplate of my royals get cought. Just some wax on the wheelside of the ledge and you are perfect.
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This is the big reason I don't think they should change the baseplate. Not getting caught on chunky ledges is great. My indy's felt way better after the baseplate was a bit worn away.
I've never tried thunder but compared to Indy for slides I think venture are better. The baseplate just wears away a lot faster on venture.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: theloniousmonk on September 03, 2022, 05:33:36 PM
Someone on here a week or two ago was posting about using barrel bushings on thunders, and I had it on my mind as my thunder seaglass color bushings crumbled in both trucks a.

I just sanded down some 95a venom bushings to thunder height and had a great session on them. I’m actually skating them looser, but they feel so much more stable. Honestly it was amazing and I am not wheelbiting at all, even though I’m skating 54mm dragons on 147s. K grinds were working out great on this setup as I don’t think my pinch was wheelbiting (I felt perfectly locked in) so the wheel was still spinning while grinding, and I was going further than normal. I’m sold on this combo and thanks to the slap pal who peaked my interest!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 03, 2022, 10:23:00 PM
That’s a smart idea….barrel in thunders….surprised you had to shave them down as thunder bottoms are a bit taller….
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: theloniousmonk on September 04, 2022, 05:58:44 AM
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 03, 2022, 10:23:00 PM
That’s a smart idea….barrel in thunders….surprised you had to shave them down as thunder bottoms are a bit taller….
The venom bushings were a couple mm taller, but it only took a couple minutes am to sand them down on an old decks grip.
I originally got the vwnoms because the writer on skateboardingismylifetimesport said they made tensor lows into bowl carving machines. I have a set of tensor lows but never set them up with the venoms. I’ll probably grab a set of 93a just to experiment a little bit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: southphillytapwater on September 04, 2022, 07:12:24 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/eQcAGUY.jpg)

I asked Elijah what size these new Indy's were and he said they're 151's, which are slightly bigger than 149's. I also asked him when they come out and he said he isn't sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 04, 2022, 08:39:09 AM
Did you ask him why he hasn’t invested in a proper turntable? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on September 04, 2022, 08:53:01 AM
They remind me of the new rkp powell truck in that pic. Which is not a good thing. Something just looks wrong
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 04, 2022, 09:13:26 AM
They look like if modern Brandon Biebel was a Thunder truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crabby_Bastard on September 04, 2022, 04:51:05 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on September 04, 2022, 09:13:26 AM
They look like if modern Brandon Biebel was a Thunder truck.

Spot-on observation!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: swongolianbbq on September 04, 2022, 06:32:53 PM
That's probably as small as they're gonna go for these if they're just using the 215 molds, saves money they can just have shorter 215 hangers vs making entirely new stuff. I also read somewhere that they're not doing smaller sizes. I've toyed with the idea of cutting down a 215 in the past but never did it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on September 05, 2022, 02:19:38 AM
But standard 215 and old stage 4 aren't that buff, they changed something for the worse didn't they?
So that leads me to believe they're not simply using the 215 molds
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 05, 2022, 02:35:13 AM
.

From what I understand of the casting process, you can't just make a truck shorter, but you have to make a whole new hanger mold.

As to the shape of these hangers, anyone with a set of 215s can turn them on a certain angle and see more or less the exact same front shape with the supported wings running back on an angle.  They might look a little different because the 215 are such a wide truck and these others are not that wide, so the extra wings make them look really solid and different.

The listings and almost all pics online really don't show the truck from the angle that you see when looking at people's boards, but you can check these anyway.


Maybe the best overall pics:

https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-trucks-c18/independent-stage-11-215-skateboard-trucks-10-p20370


Second pic from NHS

https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/stage-4-polished-skateboard-trucks-independent


This might be closest of any other normal pics anyway:


(https://www.muirskate.com/photos/products/1319/hd_product_Independent-215mm-%28Set-HD%29.png)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on September 05, 2022, 07:55:41 PM
Quote from: southphillytapwater on September 04, 2022, 07:12:24 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/eQcAGUY.jpg)

I asked Elijah what size these new Indy's were and he said they're 151's, which are slightly bigger than 149's. I also asked him when they come out and he said he isn't sure.

I can't wait. I'm hoping that I can get these in 144. This is the best shit Indy has done ever. They will likely have the reverse no hang up yoke too.

I imagine it will be like coming home. Full circle in skating. Stage 4 was my first truck. I have copers and everything.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: stupidfuckface on September 06, 2022, 05:22:52 AM
So, whatever you do, don’t think you can just Frankenstein Indy’s together...
I just assumed throwing some mindy hangers on forged baseplates, wouldn't be an issue.. that is very incorrect.. running them with white Indy bushings, and they feel tight as fuck...I’ve been telling myself to stay the course and break them bitches in, but I don’t think I can take it...

Anybody want to trade some 44 or 55 classics for some hollow forged 159(149 too)




Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on September 06, 2022, 05:31:09 AM
Quote from: Uncle Flea on September 05, 2022, 07:55:41 PM
Quote from: southphillytapwater on September 04, 2022, 07:12:24 AM
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(https://i.imgur.com/eQcAGUY.jpg)

I asked Elijah what size these new Indy's were and he said they're 151's, which are slightly bigger than 149's. I also asked him when they come out and he said he isn't sure.
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I can't wait. I'm hoping that I can get these in 144. This is the best shit Indy has done ever. They will likely have the reverse no hang up yoke too.

I imagine it will be like coming home. Full circle in skating. Stage 4 was my first truck. I have copers and everything.

The story at this point is that the narrowest size is going to be a hair larger than the 149. Hopefully something for the 144 crowd shows up, but 144s themselves are a relatively recent creation and it’s possible that Indy is not anticipating a lot of demand from the 8.25” crowd.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 06, 2022, 02:01:42 PM
Quote from: stupidfuckface on September 06, 2022, 05:22:52 AM
So, whatever you do, don’t think you can just Frankenstein Indy’s together...
I just assumed throwing some mindy hangers on forged baseplates, wouldn't be an issue.. that is very incorrect.. running them with white Indy bushings, and they feel tight as fuck...I’ve been telling myself to stay the course and break them bitches in, but I don’t think I can take it...

Anybody want to trade some 44 or 55 classics for some hollow forged 159(149 too)






I had brought this up before, the geo is slightly different on the mid as the yoke won’t sit center on standard forged plates (nor will a regs  stage XI hanger sit correctly on the mid plates…if it was the same they’d call them Stage XIs not ‘Legendary Geometry’.

Forged mids feel great tho, my current favorite indy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on September 07, 2022, 05:33:08 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/wSWr3kt/IMG-20220907-201801-416.webp) (https://ibb.co/8r54TCk)

This is good. Feels loose. Definitely risers if over 54.

I let a homie try. He said damn I had no idea ventures could turn.

It feels like a Bones no top washer. This winter will be the ultimate test.

This is a new 5.6 hollow on a 5.6 Castro bp. Loose trucks conversion kit. A++

Lol I'm leaving that shit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on September 07, 2022, 11:00:16 PM
Anyone seen Ishod's stories latly? Please release the inverted kingpin already, Thunder...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tzhangdox on September 09, 2022, 12:41:20 PM
How different are Indy hollow forged vs Ace AF1s in terms of pop feel, stability and pinch?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on September 09, 2022, 05:22:39 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/BHJkYn3/IMG-20220909-190739671.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BHJkYn3)

(https://i.ibb.co/rFbDvp5/IMG-20220909-190734552.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rFbDvp5)

Saw these weird Indy knocks today.

I have the absolute perfect set up now.

The vhollow 5.6 plus a Castro plate
Lowering kit and the 3ply riser made it perfect for 58 mm of classic.

Combined with the 14" wb I'm so happy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on September 09, 2022, 05:59:54 PM
I believe those are the zumiez house brand trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on September 11, 2022, 06:18:12 AM
The second Indy moved production to China nearly all of the prebuilt completes started coming with these Indy rips. They look the same and feel the same except cheaper metals.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on September 15, 2022, 03:36:11 PM
Incoming Primitive X Independent. Looks like ikp on a standard non-mindy if I’m seeing correctly:


(https://i.ibb.co/DCW9KZq/2-C9-E9-C48-FB41-41-DB-91-B4-40-D90-F9-F665-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DCW9KZq)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on September 15, 2022, 03:49:07 PM
They're mids.

https://primitiveskate.com/collections/primitive-x-independent-trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on September 15, 2022, 07:20:39 PM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on September 15, 2022, 03:36:11 PM
Incoming Primitive X Independent. Looks like ikp on a standard non-mindy if I’m seeing correctly:


(https://i.ibb.co/DCW9KZq/2-C9-E9-C48-FB41-41-DB-91-B4-40-D90-F9-F665-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DCW9KZq)

Hey those are the bolts I was looking about, not the color but Indy’s have 2 types of the head graphic

Those “precision” ones with lines and then the regular iron cross logo on top

I wonder if these have a “P” on top
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on September 15, 2022, 08:15:40 PM
I want a set of these just for display because of how extra they are :v

Which one of you is going to set those up with a gold foil board?  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on September 15, 2022, 10:05:05 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/S0GFsCQ/IMG-20220916-000028347.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jGsn6XV)

I haven't been doing much grinds since the retirement of my last set of cast hangers. They were over. Tried to pass them but no one wanted them. Axle was showing. I miss them. I'll likely not go hollow in the future but we'll see. I'll likely feel different in a month.

Anyway. I recommend this set up with the 3 ply risers if you're running better than 52s.

The truck wobbles.
 More than anything I've run a cut top bushing in before

Cast plates are a must or a second set of plates might be needed too if you're heavier than 160? Idk.

14" wb.

Um that's all.

Definitely wobbles.

The wheel bite marks are from my 54mm tear loops. I had them in with no risers. Now I got these 58mm og classic and the riser works good.

Risers make a big difference with ventures I feel
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FuzzGNU on September 15, 2022, 10:06:10 PM
Quote from: yourbreakfsat on September 15, 2022, 08:15:40 PM
I want a set of these just for display because of how extra they are :v

Which one of you is going to set those up with a gold foil board?  ;D

Full glow in the dark setup > Full gold setup ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on September 17, 2022, 04:00:11 PM
Latest Thrasher mag (#508), page 222. Venture X DC incoming

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/851356262029590541/1020827510390403132/PXL_20220917_2242465162.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 17, 2022, 05:40:44 PM
Sick….nothing says trucks like shoes….
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: notinternetfamous on September 20, 2022, 07:33:29 AM
Quote from: yourbreakfsat on September 17, 2022, 04:00:11 PM
Latest Thrasher mag (#508), page 222. Venture X DC incoming

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/851356262029590541/1020827510390403132/PXL_20220917_2242465162.jpg)
venture x dc edit gonna be fire. hopefully there is will marshall footy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on September 20, 2022, 08:47:40 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on September 06, 2022, 05:31:09 AM
Quote from: Uncle Flea on September 05, 2022, 07:55:41 PM
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Quote from: southphillytapwater on September 04, 2022, 07:12:24 AM
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(https://i.imgur.com/eQcAGUY.jpg)

I asked Elijah what size these new Indy's were and he said they're 151's, which are slightly bigger than 149's. I also asked him when they come out and he said he isn't sure.
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I can't wait. I'm hoping that I can get these in 144. This is the best shit Indy has done ever. They will likely have the reverse no hang up yoke too.

I imagine it will be like coming home. Full circle in skating. Stage 4 was my first truck. I have copers and everything.
[close]

The story at this point is that the narrowest size is going to be a hair larger than the 149. Hopefully something for the 144 crowd shows up, but 144s themselves are a relatively recent creation and it’s possible that Indy is not anticipating a lot of demand from the 8.25” crowd.

Very interested in these, will certainly be checking back here. Do we even have a strictly Indy thread?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 20, 2022, 08:52:21 AM
What do you think we are around here……
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on September 25, 2022, 03:00:22 AM
Going mad guys

Need answers

What’s the geo on krux supposed to be similar to?

Specifically the kIII/k3 but general if anything

I remember reading they’re supposed to be similar to one of the old Indy stages but which

Also which trucks worked best for which conclaves?

I’m trying to dwindle down the madness by just making sure I plug the trucks that bring out more from the board, like do Indy’s work better on a closer to flat or deep concave board?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on September 25, 2022, 05:11:37 AM
Quote from: rob on September 25, 2022, 03:00:22 AM
Going mad guys

Need answers

What’s the geo on krux supposed to be similar to?

Specifically the kIII/k3 but general if anything

I remember reading they’re supposed to be similar to one of the old Indy stages but which

Also which trucks worked best for which conclaves?

I’m trying to dwindle down the madness by just making sure I plug the trucks that bring out more from the board, like do Indy’s work better on a closer to flat or deep concave board?

Brother don't do this to yourself. People ride any trucks on any board Indy's work on damn near any board available.

Krux are weird but I had the K4. They're just a simple truck no crazy traits about them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrankRizzo on September 25, 2022, 06:01:15 AM
Quote from: rob on September 25, 2022, 03:00:22 AM
Going mad guys

Need answers

What’s the geo on krux supposed to be similar to?

Specifically the kIII/k3 but general if anything

I remember reading they’re supposed to be similar to one of the old Indy stages but which

Also which trucks worked best for which conclaves?

I’m trying to dwindle down the madness by just making sure I plug the trucks that bring out more from the board, like do Indy’s work better on a closer to flat or deep concave board?

K4 have a shorter wheelbase than AF1 and K4 are also taller.

Krux seem to be Indy height with one of the shortest wheelbases available among brands.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 25, 2022, 07:33:11 AM
We haven’t answer his question…..

I remember them not turning well compared to any Indy….so maybe there’s an old Indy but otherwise…I’d say more like a thunder or venture….

 krux is it’s own animal really….the hole makes them incomparable…
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on September 25, 2022, 07:43:29 AM
I'd say the krux turn is closest to venture, but the krux pop is closest to mini logos, or ace classics, on riser pads
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: overwaxed on September 25, 2022, 09:31:42 AM
Quote from: stupidfuckface on September 06, 2022, 05:22:52 AM
So, whatever you do, don’t think you can just Frankenstein Indy’s together...
I just assumed throwing some mindy hangers on forged baseplates, wouldn't be an issue.. that is very incorrect.. running them with white Indy bushings, and they feel tight as fuck...I’ve been telling myself to stay the course and break them bitches in, but I don’t think I can take it...

Anybody want to trade some 44 or 55 classics for some hollow forged 159(149 too)

I’ve got af1 44’s or 55’s I’d trade for the 159’s!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HyperBeam on September 25, 2022, 10:56:34 AM
Quote from: overwaxed on September 25, 2022, 09:31:42 AM
Quote from: stupidfuckface on September 06, 2022, 05:22:52 AM
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So, whatever you do, don’t think you can just Frankenstein Indy’s together...
I just assumed throwing some mindy hangers on forged baseplates, wouldn't be an issue.. that is very incorrect.. running them with white Indy bushings, and they feel tight as fuck...I’ve been telling myself to stay the course and break them bitches in, but I don’t think I can take it...

Anybody want to trade some 44 or 55 classics for some hollow forged 159(149 too)
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I’ve got af1 44’s or 55’s I’d trade for the 159’s!

same
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on September 25, 2022, 05:46:53 PM
Thanks for the answers guys

I’m not really trying to jump on the krux wagon until they come out with their own mids or lows cause as mentioned by all

Tall…way too tall and no turn, like a bizarro Indy

I wanted to see if anyone knew the Indy stage they used for reference for the krux geo so I can stick to whatever Indy or trucks that would be, but lower and better at turning

The Indy mids were nice but some days they feel heavy

I like my venture 5.6 but thunder 148 aren’t far off on that style of turnability and wb and thunders are more versatile

I have 3 setups right now trying to ride each setup on rotation to gauge what actually gives me the most consistency, confidence and ease

Should I reveal the dark secret of my current favorite setup I’m starting to grow less ashamed about?

It’s the setup most slappers agree with the design and geo but not the brand and look ::)

I got my deck shape on lock of what I want but always coming back to what trucks… :P
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 25, 2022, 09:09:29 PM
Quote from: rob on September 25, 2022, 05:46:53 PM
Thanks for the answers guys

I’m not really trying to jump on the krux wagon until they come out with their own mids or lows cause as mentioned by all

Tall…way too tall and no turn, like a bizarro Indy

I wanted to see if anyone knew the Indy stage they used for reference for the krux geo so I can stick to whatever Indy or trucks that would be, but lower and better at turning

The Indy mids were nice but some days they feel heavy

I like my venture 5.6 but thunder 148 aren’t far off on that style of turnability and wb and thunders are more versatile

I have 3 setups right now trying to ride each setup on rotation to gauge what actually gives me the most consistency, confidence and ease

Should I reveal the dark secret of my current favorite setup I’m starting to grow less ashamed about?

It’s the setup most slappers agree with the design and geo but not the brand and look ::)

I got my deck shape on lock of what I want but always coming back to what trucks… :P

Just say no to Krux and yes to ML?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on September 25, 2022, 09:25:58 PM
Quote from: Xen on September 25, 2022, 09:09:29 PM
Quote from: rob on September 25, 2022, 05:46:53 PM
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Thanks for the answers guys

I’m not really trying to jump on the krux wagon until they come out with their own mids or lows cause as mentioned by all

Tall…way too tall and no turn, like a bizarro Indy

I wanted to see if anyone knew the Indy stage they used for reference for the krux geo so I can stick to whatever Indy or trucks that would be, but lower and better at turning

The Indy mids were nice but some days they feel heavy

I like my venture 5.6 but thunder 148 aren’t far off on that style of turnability and wb and thunders are more versatile

I have 3 setups right now trying to ride each setup on rotation to gauge what actually gives me the most consistency, confidence and ease

Should I reveal the dark secret of my current favorite setup I’m starting to grow less ashamed about?

It’s the setup most slappers agree with the design and geo but not the brand and look ::)

I got my deck shape on lock of what I want but always coming back to what trucks… :P
[close]

Just say no to Krux and yes to ML?

I would agree with the ML but I recently set mine up again and the bushings were straight ass. Didn't fit the yoke and my trucks were rattling so badly I thought I was riding without pivot cups. Didn't help the pivot cups are hard plastic, swapping to generic pivot cups didn't help either and the hanger was wiggling around like crazy.

Edit: huge bummer, they had an excellent pinch
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 26, 2022, 10:19:37 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on September 25, 2022, 09:25:58 PM
Quote from: Xen on September 25, 2022, 09:09:29 PM
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Quote from: rob on September 25, 2022, 05:46:53 PM
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Thanks for the answers guys

I’m not really trying to jump on the krux wagon until they come out with their own mids or lows cause as mentioned by all

Tall…way too tall and no turn, like a bizarro Indy

I wanted to see if anyone knew the Indy stage they used for reference for the krux geo so I can stick to whatever Indy or trucks that would be, but lower and better at turning

The Indy mids were nice but some days they feel heavy

I like my venture 5.6 but thunder 148 aren’t far off on that style of turnability and wb and thunders are more versatile

I have 3 setups right now trying to ride each setup on rotation to gauge what actually gives me the most consistency, confidence and ease

Should I reveal the dark secret of my current favorite setup I’m starting to grow less ashamed about?

It’s the setup most slappers agree with the design and geo but not the brand and look ::)

I got my deck shape on lock of what I want but always coming back to what trucks… :P
[close]

Just say no to Krux and yes to ML?
[close]

I would agree with the ML but I recently set mine up again and the bushings were straight ass. Didn't fit the yoke and my trucks were rattling so badly I thought I was riding without pivot cups. Didn't help the pivot cups are hard plastic, swapping to generic pivot cups didn't help either and the hanger was wiggling around like crazy.

Edit: huge bummer, they had an excellent pinch

It's been a minute but yeah, those cups are hard af...if I recall even && mentioned that the ML 'hardware' wasn't great..FWIW the tensor cups fit well and of course swapping to ACE bushings ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on September 26, 2022, 12:19:59 PM
Quote from: Xen on September 26, 2022, 10:19:37 AM
Quote from: rocklobster on September 25, 2022, 09:25:58 PM
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Quote from: Xen on September 25, 2022, 09:09:29 PM
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Quote from: rob on September 25, 2022, 05:46:53 PM
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Thanks for the answers guys

I’m not really trying to jump on the krux wagon until they come out with their own mids or lows cause as mentioned by all

Tall…way too tall and no turn, like a bizarro Indy

I wanted to see if anyone knew the Indy stage they used for reference for the krux geo so I can stick to whatever Indy or trucks that would be, but lower and better at turning

The Indy mids were nice but some days they feel heavy

I like my venture 5.6 but thunder 148 aren’t far off on that style of turnability and wb and thunders are more versatile

I have 3 setups right now trying to ride each setup on rotation to gauge what actually gives me the most consistency, confidence and ease

Should I reveal the dark secret of my current favorite setup I’m starting to grow less ashamed about?

It’s the setup most slappers agree with the design and geo but not the brand and look ::)

I got my deck shape on lock of what I want but always coming back to what trucks… :P
[close]

Just say no to Krux and yes to ML?
[close]

I would agree with the ML but I recently set mine up again and the bushings were straight ass. Didn't fit the yoke and my trucks were rattling so badly I thought I was riding without pivot cups. Didn't help the pivot cups are hard plastic, swapping to generic pivot cups didn't help either and the hanger was wiggling around like crazy.

Edit: huge bummer, they had an excellent pinch
[close]

It's been a minute but yeah, those cups are hard af...if I recall even && mentioned that the ML 'hardware' wasn't great..FWIW the tensor cups fit well and of course swapping to ACE bushings ;)

$14 pivot cups for $28 trucks. 

https://www.riptidesports.com/pivot-cups/mini-logo-pivot-cup/

I have a set in mine - although I haven't skated my Mini Logo trucks in a couple years.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: MyUserName on September 26, 2022, 12:39:32 PM
I’ve ridden standard Indys for as long as I can remember, but felt like switching it up and got some forged hollow 144s after reading great things about them. I love the lightness, but can’t stand the wheelbite I’m getting. I’m a thin dude, ride spitfire conical full 53s, and like my trucks somewhat loose, but even then I never experienced wheelbite like this. No amount of tightening/loosening makes it feel better. I think this fucking baseplate’s 2mm difference is killing me.

Should I try risers? I’ve long ridden them on my cruiser boards, but I’ve never needed them on my “regular” board. I don’t know what else to do, this shit is driving me insane.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 26, 2022, 01:46:56 PM
Risers make them taller than Standards so I'd say get some Standard plates.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on September 26, 2022, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: MyUserName on September 26, 2022, 12:39:32 PM
I’ve ridden standard Indys for as long as I can remember, but felt like switching it up and got some forged hollow 144s after reading great things about them. I love the lightness, but can’t stand the wheelbite I’m getting. I’m a thin dude, ride spitfire conical full 53s, and like my trucks somewhat loose, but even then I never experienced wheelbite like this. No amount of tightening/loosening makes it feel better. I think this fucking baseplate’s 2mm difference is killing me.

Should I try risers? I’ve long ridden them on my cruiser boards, but I’ve never needed them on my “regular” board. I don’t know what else to do, this shit is driving me insane.

Try some 1/16 Ace pads. Should get you close to standard height.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on September 26, 2022, 07:01:00 PM
Quote from: backinaction on September 26, 2022, 12:19:59 PM
Quote from: Xen on September 26, 2022, 10:19:37 AM
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Quote from: rocklobster on September 25, 2022, 09:25:58 PM
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Quote from: Xen on September 25, 2022, 09:09:29 PM
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Quote from: rob on September 25, 2022, 05:46:53 PM
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Thanks for the answers guys

I’m not really trying to jump on the krux wagon until they come out with their own mids or lows cause as mentioned by all

Tall…way too tall and no turn, like a bizarro Indy

I wanted to see if anyone knew the Indy stage they used for reference for the krux geo so I can stick to whatever Indy or trucks that would be, but lower and better at turning

The Indy mids were nice but some days they feel heavy

I like my venture 5.6 but thunder 148 aren’t far off on that style of turnability and wb and thunders are more versatile

I have 3 setups right now trying to ride each setup on rotation to gauge what actually gives me the most consistency, confidence and ease

Should I reveal the dark secret of my current favorite setup I’m starting to grow less ashamed about?

It’s the setup most slappers agree with the design and geo but not the brand and look ::)

I got my deck shape on lock of what I want but always coming back to what trucks… :P
[close]

Just say no to Krux and yes to ML?
[close]

I would agree with the ML but I recently set mine up again and the bushings were straight ass. Didn't fit the yoke and my trucks were rattling so badly I thought I was riding without pivot cups. Didn't help the pivot cups are hard plastic, swapping to generic pivot cups didn't help either and the hanger was wiggling around like crazy.

Edit: huge bummer, they had an excellent pinch
[close]

It's been a minute but yeah, those cups are hard af...if I recall even && mentioned that the ML 'hardware' wasn't great..FWIW the tensor cups fit well and of course swapping to ACE bushings ;)
[close]

$14 pivot cups for $28 trucks. 

https://www.riptidesports.com/pivot-cups/mini-logo-pivot-cup/

I have a set in mine - although I haven't skated my Mini Logo trucks in a couple years.

No thanks, I don't like them THAT much.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 26, 2022, 07:41:01 PM
It’s sick there are bushings that cost more than the trucks and psychopaths that are willing to buy them…..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on September 26, 2022, 07:55:59 PM
Quote from: backinaction on September 26, 2022, 12:19:59 PM
Quote from: Xen on September 26, 2022, 10:19:37 AM
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Quote from: rocklobster on September 25, 2022, 09:25:58 PM
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Quote from: Xen on September 25, 2022, 09:09:29 PM
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Quote from: rob on September 25, 2022, 05:46:53 PM
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Thanks for the answers guys

I’m not really trying to jump on the krux wagon until they come out with their own mids or lows cause as mentioned by all

Tall…way too tall and no turn, like a bizarro Indy

I wanted to see if anyone knew the Indy stage they used for reference for the krux geo so I can stick to whatever Indy or trucks that would be, but lower and better at turning

The Indy mids were nice but some days they feel heavy

I like my venture 5.6 but thunder 148 aren’t far off on that style of turnability and wb and thunders are more versatile

I have 3 setups right now trying to ride each setup on rotation to gauge what actually gives me the most consistency, confidence and ease

Should I reveal the dark secret of my current favorite setup I’m starting to grow less ashamed about?

It’s the setup most slappers agree with the design and geo but not the brand and look ::)

I got my deck shape on lock of what I want but always coming back to what trucks… :P
[close]

Just say no to Krux and yes to ML?
[close]

I would agree with the ML but I recently set mine up again and the bushings were straight ass. Didn't fit the yoke and my trucks were rattling so badly I thought I was riding without pivot cups. Didn't help the pivot cups are hard plastic, swapping to generic pivot cups didn't help either and the hanger was wiggling around like crazy.

Edit: huge bummer, they had an excellent pinch
[close]

It's been a minute but yeah, those cups are hard af...if I recall even && mentioned that the ML 'hardware' wasn't great..FWIW the tensor cups fit well and of course swapping to ACE bushings ;)
[close]

$14 pivot cups for $28 trucks. 

https://www.riptidesports.com/pivot-cups/mini-logo-pivot-cup/

I have a set in mine - although I haven't skated my Mini Logo trucks in a couple years.

Haha yeah you all got me

Currently riding

8.2 krooked full shape
Mini logo raw 8.38
Stock pivot cups
Mini logo 94a orange bushings upgrade
Powell dragon 52mm
Race reds

This setup is so good and total control idk what to think but this is it until I need a reminder

I ride tight rather than medium or trying to be loose after the shame was washed away hearing Chris rise with the fallen zero 4 lyfe cole said he rides them tight

I was trying to hang but loose trucks did not save my life and I just can’t pop for sake with no control, my ankles aren’t built like you cool kats

Now I’m about to drop $14 for those green pivot cups

I like them that much and im psycho


You calling me crayyyyy…zee??
-Roberto from futurama

Or would blue be better? ???
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 26, 2022, 11:12:18 PM
Quote from: Xtal on December 22, 2015, 01:30:08 PM
So Indy offers conical aftermarket bushings and I've never tried them so I'm finally going to pull the trigger. Conical being the same shape as bones bushings.

Anyways, I'm torn between the blue color (92a) or the red (88a). I'm a little over 200lbs and I can't ride super soft bushings, but hards take forever to break in, so I've always stuck with medium Bones. However, Indy's red ones which are considered soft, are 88a and not ridiculously soft like Bones' 81a. Anyone think I'd be good with the red ones, or should I not risk destroying them quickly and go with the blues?

The 88a get a bad rap on this forum, I like them/never had an issue with them. They are not 'soft' by any means and stiffer than say, an 88a supercush. Personally, I'd stick with the conical 92s since you are used to the bones med...as when they are fully broken in, they'll end up being a few duro softer feeling anyway.

Quote from: rocklobster on September 26, 2022, 07:01:00 PM
No thanks, I don't like them THAT much.

For real...maybe if I was ML flow or something.

Since indy moved to china, I've stopped using riptides and just stick with stock as they're so much better now. Those NFG cups I picked up are still going strong tho, great replacement option.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 27, 2022, 05:57:22 AM
Maybe not the right thread for this.

Why is it that a 149 feels different than a 144/148 with washers? I've got 4 washers on the inside of a 148 and my friend has the same bushings in 149. Weighs about the same, trucks have about the same kingpin threads showing, but his trucks feel definitely less twitchy. Only difference is he is on Spitfire classics. When we put the boards together the centerline of our wheels is super similar.

I've got a friend riding Indy's now that feels similar about his stacked 144 vs 149.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boog on September 27, 2022, 06:02:00 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on September 27, 2022, 05:57:22 AM
Maybe not the right thread for this.

Why is it that a 149 feels different than a 144/148 with washers? I've got 4 washers on the inside of a 148 and my friend has the same bushings in 149. Weighs about the same, trucks have about the same kingpin threads showing, but his trucks feel definitely less twitchy. Only difference is he is on Spitfire classics. When we put the boards together the centerline of our wheels is super similar.

I've got a friend riding Indy's now that feels similar about his stacked 144 vs 149.
It's probably something to do with the actual hanger being wider and not just the wheel to wheel length.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ride it to dust on September 27, 2022, 08:34:47 AM
Quote from: Xen on September 26, 2022, 10:19:37 AM
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Thanks for the answers guys

I’m not really trying to jump on the krux wagon until they come out with their own mids or lows cause as mentioned by all

Tall…way too tall and no turn, like a bizarro Indy

I wanted to see if anyone knew the Indy stage they used for reference for the krux geo so I can stick to whatever Indy or trucks that would be, but lower and better at turning

The Indy mids were nice but some days they feel heavy

I like my venture 5.6 but thunder 148 aren’t far off on that style of turnability and wb and thunders are more versatile

I have 3 setups right now trying to ride each setup on rotation to gauge what actually gives me the most consistency, confidence and ease

Should I reveal the dark secret of my current favorite setup I’m starting to grow less ashamed about?

It’s the setup most slappers agree with the design and geo but not the brand and look ::)

I got my deck shape on lock of what I want but always coming back to what trucks… :P
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Just say no to Krux and yes to ML?
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I would agree with the ML but I recently set mine up again and the bushings were straight ass. Didn't fit the yoke and my trucks were rattling so badly I thought I was riding without pivot cups. Didn't help the pivot cups are hard plastic, swapping to generic pivot cups didn't help either and the hanger was wiggling around like crazy.

Edit: huge bummer, they had an excellent pinch
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It's been a minute but yeah, those cups are hard af...if I recall even && mentioned that the ML 'hardware' wasn't great..FWIW the tensor cups fit well and of course swapping to ACE bushings ;)


I put Generic indy pivots in my ML’s and they seemed loads better, although they are the slightly older model with the stamp on the hanger
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FGO925 on September 28, 2022, 07:02:25 PM
What’s the logic/purpose of not running the cupped washers underneath/on top of the top & bottom bushing?

I’ve done this before, as well as with the bones replacement flat washers, but I’m never actually sure what it does.

Any advantage to having the flat washer?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 28, 2022, 07:59:01 PM
On the top the washer hits the hanger on Thunder and Venture so a flat allows for a bit more turn. On Indy I didn't notice much but I thought Bones sucked on Indy so I ditched them fast.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jimgrude on September 28, 2022, 08:25:23 PM
Quote from: FGO925 on September 28, 2022, 07:02:25 PM
What’s the logic/purpose of not running the cupped washers underneath/on top of the top & bottom bushing?

I’ve done this before, as well as with the bones replacement flat washers, but I’m never actually sure what it does.

Any advantage to having the flat washer?

flat washer or no washer on the bottom gives less resistance to your turn. On top it gives less rebound.
I always run flat washers, and just switch bushings if something doesn't feel right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 28, 2022, 10:02:34 PM
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What’s the logic/purpose of not running the cupped washers underneath/on top of the top & bottom bushing?

I’ve done this before, as well as with the bones replacement flat washers, but I’m never actually sure what it does.

Any advantage to having the flat washer?
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flat washer or no washer on the bottom gives less resistance to your turn. On top it gives less rebound.
I always run flat washers, and just switch bushings if something doesn't feel right.


I was curious and got a ten pack of flat washers from a hardware store and they sure did make everything feel so much looser.

They were also about half the height of the metal of the regular washers, so even that will make everything feel so different to normal washers as well.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 29, 2022, 03:05:32 AM
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What’s the logic/purpose of not running the cupped washers underneath/on top of the top & bottom bushing?

I’ve done this before, as well as with the bones replacement flat washers, but I’m never actually sure what it does.

Any advantage to having the flat washer?
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flat washer or no washer on the bottom gives less resistance to your turn. On top it gives less rebound.
I always run flat washers, and just switch bushings if something doesn't feel right.
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I was curious and got a ten pack of flat washers from a hardware store and they sure did make everything feel so much looser.

They were also about half the height of the metal of the regular washers, so even that will make everything feel so different to normal washers as well.

It always amazes me how meticulous stuff can be.
The same way that athletes like Kobe shed MMS on the soles of their shoes to how an 8.25 and an 8.5 can feel largely different blows my mind. Or how a flat washer affects turning. But you can adjust to shitty gear, it makes me like skateboarding that much more.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FGO925 on September 29, 2022, 11:30:39 AM
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What’s the logic/purpose of not running the cupped washers underneath/on top of the top & bottom bushing?

I’ve done this before, as well as with the bones replacement flat washers, but I’m never actually sure what it does.

Any advantage to having the flat washer?
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flat washer or no washer on the bottom gives less resistance to your turn. On top it gives less rebound.
I always run flat washers, and just switch bushings if something doesn't feel right.
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I was curious and got a ten pack of flat washers from a hardware store and they sure did make everything feel so much looser.

They were also about half the height of the metal of the regular washers, so even that will make everything feel so different to normal washers as well.
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It always amazes me how meticulous stuff can be.
The same way that athletes like Kobe shed MMS on the soles of their shoes to how an 8.25 and an 8.5 can feel largely different blows my mind. Or how a flat washer affects turning. But you can adjust to shitty gear, it makes me like skateboarding that much more.



It really is crazy. Pretty interesting though, the madness can really set in.

So from what you all have said, it generally makes the truck a bit “looser” feeling. I assume the rebound means how quick it snaps back to straight correct? I guess it just allows the truck carve and turn a bit more by not having a cupped washer cradle the bushing all around.

I remember once on my Indy’s with bones bushings, I grinded down the truck and kingpin so much that on super dipped smiths/feebles (most noticeable on pool coping) the flat washer and bushing itself was starting to tear and blow out.

I’m really liking my setup now: thunder team hollows, stock bushing on top and red thunder 97a on bottom, stock washers on both.

Truck tightness is so subjective, but If my trucks were a steak it would be a medium rare
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 29, 2022, 11:48:32 AM
I've never encountered (or read on this forum until now) any washer binding with Thunders? That's a thing now? Venture for sure...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on September 29, 2022, 11:52:55 AM
I think a big part of why people like bones bushings is because of the washer, not the bushing….
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 29, 2022, 12:26:11 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on September 29, 2022, 11:52:55 AM
I think a big part of why people like bones bushings is because of the washer, not the bushing….

I've never used the washers on top since they added them; usually I'll put it on the bottom to keep stock geo...except tensors, they're a prefect fit without washers and do the truck wonders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ride it to dust on September 30, 2022, 12:49:02 AM
Quote from: Xen on September 29, 2022, 11:48:32 AM
I've never encountered (or read on this forum until now) any washer binding with Thunders? That's a thing now? Venture for sure...


I’m sure my top washer is binding on my 148’s. Have a horizontal, sharp groove around where the kingpin nut is both sides. I assumed it’s where the washer is stopping the turn from maxing out?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ImmanuelCunt on September 30, 2022, 02:03:09 AM
I realized that my 147s definitely bind some time ago, too. I currently have ~46-47 (i don't have a caliper rn) worn down lil smokies conical fulls on them, so that might explain it, but I have been "noticing" it for a while. I just wondered that I got minimal wheel bite marks on the last deck, even though I did the usual amount of crookeds/smiths etc,  and investigated.
The marks on the hanger are visible and the washer gets in contact with the hanger quite a bit before wheel bite, but it is really hard to measure or get photos of it.I doesn't feel bad or limiting for me in terms of pinch/turn though. It is definitely not venture level and I don't feel like messing around with a flat washer since I am currently content with my trucks and swapping wheels is somewhat overdue anyways.
I guess it might start to happen with wheels around ~50mm on 148s and above since they are taller and wheel bite later or when using risers.

tl;dr
Definetely binds with ~46-47mm on 147s and it has been a while.
Conclusion: Might be the case with ~50mm on the larger trucks as well or when using risers, but I cannot verify.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 30, 2022, 06:51:51 AM
Quote from: Xen on September 29, 2022, 11:48:32 AM
I've never encountered (or read on this forum until now) any washer binding with Thunders? That's a thing now? Venture for sure...

Always has been for me, not like Venture. I'll grab a pic if I can figure out how to not be a boomer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on September 30, 2022, 06:58:46 AM
Of course it has.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 30, 2022, 07:16:13 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/CHkINWw.jpg)

2 months of skating, always happens, not a big deal. But apparently only happens to me on my super tight trucks.

You just live to be a douche to me even if, given the option, you could just be normal and realize that someone posted the same experience right above me.

If you just look in the setup thread at skated setups or at pro boards you'll see the same thing. It's bizarre you haven't.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FGO925 on September 30, 2022, 01:35:05 PM
Wow, pretty interesting. I assume this only happened (top washer getting pinched against the hanger) when your doing tricks like super pinched krooks, or if you ride shakey loose and have a heavy pinch for 5-0’s and smith/feebles.

That helps me visualize why a flat washer might help give the truck more turn. On top of the bushing itself having more room and freedom to turn by not being cupped by the stock washers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 30, 2022, 02:17:43 PM
I do a good amount of curb and slappy skating and pinched crooks and 5-0s are my go-to. But unlike Venture my bushing never blows.

You can see it on de Bobby's trucks clearly here- the marks on the sides of the hanger bushing cup:
(https://spitfirewheels.com/bobby-dekeyzer-twostroke/img/bobby-dekeyzer-014.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on October 02, 2022, 12:23:26 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on September 30, 2022, 07:16:13 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/CHkINWw.jpg)

2 months of skating, always happens, not a big deal. But apparently only happens to me on my super tight trucks.

You just live to be a douche to me even if, given the option, you could just be normal and realize that someone posted the same experience right above me.

If you just look in the setup thread at skated setups or at pro boards you'll see the same thing. It's bizarre you haven't.

Yeah, totes bizarre must be me…

Anyway, I assumed you meant washer binding. Washer binding = limiting turn. Like Super loose ventures will literally lockup. Washer preventing the truck from turning. That’s what’s happening to you?

This has nothing to do with pinch on crooks and marks obtained from said crooks. Which looks like what you’re showing in your pic?

Pretty sure the thunder team riders aren’t sucking it up with ‘binding washers’ just saying.

Regardless, I ride wheel bite loose on thunders and my stock washers have never impeded my ability to wheelbite ;) maybe if the washer had I could have less wheelbite.

Didn’t you also have some recent post about your washers are bending weirdly? Perhaps that’s the cause? Shitty washers deforming would certainly dig into the hanger. Are these old trucks? New? Rebuild kit? Has this always happened? If not how long is it been going on please let us know.

And most importantly if this isn’t impacting any of your skating then who the fuck cares you certainly shouldn’t.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 02, 2022, 07:17:19 AM
Quote from: Xen on October 02, 2022, 12:23:26 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on September 30, 2022, 07:16:13 AM
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(http://i.imgur.com/CHkINWw.jpg)

2 months of skating, always happens, not a big deal. But apparently only happens to me on my super tight trucks.

You just live to be a douche to me even if, given the option, you could just be normal and realize that someone posted the same experience right above me.

If you just look in the setup thread at skated setups or at pro boards you'll see the same thing. It's bizarre you haven't.
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Yeah, totes bizarre must be me…

Anyway, I assumed you meant washer binding. Washer binding = limiting turn. Like Super loose ventures will literally lockup. Washer preventing the truck from turning. That’s what’s happening to you?

This has nothing to do with pinch on crooks and marks obtained from said crooks. Which looks like what you’re showing in your pic?

Pretty sure the thunder team riders aren’t sucking it up with ‘binding washers’ just saying.

Regardless, I ride wheel bite loose on thunders and my stock washers have never impeded my ability to wheelbite ;) maybe if the washer had I could have less wheelbite.

Didn’t you also have some recent post about your washers are bending weirdly? Perhaps that’s the cause? Shitty washers deforming would certainly dig into the hanger. Are these old trucks? New? Rebuild kit? Has this always happened? If not how long is it been going on please let us know.

And most importantly if this isn’t impacting any of your skating then who the fuck cares you certainly shouldn’t.

I dunno why my washer have bent, it's super weird cuz it's worse with the back truck, which takes less impact. It's only happened on this set of trucks with stock bushings? I only really care cuz over time the truck feels looser and I'm a set and forget type person with tighteness I almost never adjust shit after I find it. If it's super hot and feels looser that day then I'm riding looser that day.

I don't think it limits the turn as much as on a Venture, but I did notice when I put a flat washer on and tightened he kingpin nut in the exact same spot it felt that it was easier to touch insofar as there being less bushing compression at the end cuz the lack of a cup. I tried Bones back in the day and felt like I bit more but I was riding looser then.

I consider the marks normal but never really got them on Indy's I rode that I can recall. It definitely doesn't crack my bushings like it would on Ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on October 02, 2022, 08:05:03 AM
I swapped out stock top bushing to thunder blues, which are same height, but slightly smaller, like 1mm.
I got such marks on the trucks aswell, after just a few minutes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FuzzGNU on October 02, 2022, 09:13:35 AM
Quote from: Creachteach on October 02, 2022, 05:48:52 AM
I really detest wheelbite, and I’m a big boy, so naturally I fuck with my truck setup a lot.
The Indy risers I got for a ton of money got completely mushed, and couldn’t possibly be 1/8”, and weren’t keeping the wheels away from the board. I went to my shed and got out my carpentry spacers. They come in a big bag with sizes 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5mm. Too bad about the colour. They’re way harder but still flex somewhat. I’m probably never buying risers again. Not pretty, just did it quick and dirty with handheld drill.

At the same time I took out the Indy aftermarket super hard 96a bushings, and put the bones Hards back in. They have previously been squished in my 139 Leo Romero Hollow Lows, so now I’m using them with the washers. Also put some soap flakes in the pivot cups. Now it’s completely silent and wheelbite free. Front truck is flush nut, and rear is half a thread.
(https://i.ibb.co/s37zwqk/D15-C75-B2-05-F1-4-D06-B5-B0-DDCFE0-F3-B341.jpg) (https://ibb.co/s37zwqk)

(https://i.ibb.co/82bxbgk/046-A53-D0-EE8-C-4937-9232-EB6-E941-D873-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/82bxbgk)

(https://i.ibb.co/hLs45TK/E76-BC1-D6-78-BA-474-D-BA34-3-BB057061-D05.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hLs45TK)

What deck is that? Can I see a picture of the whole thing? Looks sick!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FuzzGNU on October 02, 2022, 09:43:50 AM
@Creachteach that is pretty sick! Thanks for sharing!

Love the thematic coordination of the wheel and deck graphic haha.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Vintagebody on October 13, 2022, 12:29:47 PM
Whats the most stable truck for downhill bombing? I only have 8.25" trucks, and Indy's feel kinda... Like they can quickly bite back if you do some quicker carves at high speed. I want to go up to atleast 8.5, so idk if Indy's change when sizing up... Thunders better for such?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on October 13, 2022, 12:43:45 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on October 13, 2022, 12:29:47 PM
Whats the most stable truck for downhill bombing? I only have 8.25" trucks, and Indy's feel kinda... Like they can quickly bite back if you do some quicker carves at high speed. I want to go up to atleast 8.5, so idk if Indy's change when sizing up... Thunders better for such?

Ventures

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on October 13, 2022, 02:09:14 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on October 13, 2022, 12:29:47 PM
Whats the most stable truck for downhill bombing? I only have 8.25" trucks, and Indy's feel kinda... Like they can quickly bite back if you do some quicker carves at high speed. I want to go up to atleast 8.5, so idk if Indy's change when sizing up... Thunders better for such?

Probably Krux K4, they don't turn at any speed. Thunders might be the worst choice. Don't know about ventures yet but seems like they would work great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 13, 2022, 02:54:18 PM
Judging by the GX crew over- Venture, Thunder, Indy just depends on how your large testicles swing and how it effects the truck arc.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on October 13, 2022, 04:03:26 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on October 13, 2022, 12:29:47 PM
Whats the most stable truck for downhill bombing? I only have 8.25" trucks, and Indy's feel kinda... Like they can quickly bite back if you do some quicker carves at high speed. I want to go up to atleast 8.5, so idk if Indy's change when sizing up... Thunders better for such?

Caliber IIIs
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 13, 2022, 10:32:45 PM
Paris or Bear…
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cucktard on October 13, 2022, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: Vintagebody on October 13, 2022, 12:29:47 PM
Whats the most stable truck for downhill bombing? I only have 8.25" trucks, and Indy's feel kinda... Like they can quickly bite back if you do some quicker carves at high speed. I want to go up to atleast 8.5, so idk if Indy's change when sizing up... Thunders better for such?

How serious are you?

https://aeratrucks.com/skateboard-trucks/trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on October 14, 2022, 08:44:24 AM
I've never had speed wobble with Thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DERBY on October 14, 2022, 09:34:49 AM
Quote from: cucktard on October 13, 2022, 10:41:05 PM
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Whats the most stable truck for downhill bombing? I only have 8.25" trucks, and Indy's feel kinda... Like they can quickly bite back if you do some quicker carves at high speed. I want to go up to atleast 8.5, so idk if Indy's change when sizing up... Thunders better for such?
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How serious are you?

https://aeratrucks.com/skateboard-trucks/trucks

for some reason i read aera as ace
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on October 14, 2022, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on October 14, 2022, 08:44:24 AM
I've never had speed wobble with Thunders.

you need to skate fast for them to occur
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on October 14, 2022, 10:06:47 AM
Want to race?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on October 14, 2022, 10:13:00 AM
Quote from: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on October 14, 2022, 10:06:47 AM
Want to race?

I was born to race.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on October 14, 2022, 10:37:30 AM
Quote from: IpathCats on October 14, 2022, 10:13:00 AM
Quote from: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on October 14, 2022, 10:06:47 AM
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Want to race?
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I was born to race.

God, Liberals have to reduce everything to race....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on October 14, 2022, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: BartHarleyJarvis on October 14, 2022, 10:37:30 AM
Quote from: IpathCats on October 14, 2022, 10:13:00 AM
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Quote from: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on October 14, 2022, 10:06:47 AM
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Want to race?
[close]

I was born to race.
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God, Liberals have to reduce everything to race....

rACE Trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on October 14, 2022, 11:50:43 AM
Quote from: Richard Skidder on October 14, 2022, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: BartHarleyJarvis on October 14, 2022, 10:37:30 AM
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Quote from: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on October 14, 2022, 10:06:47 AM
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Want to race?
[close]

I was born to race.
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God, Liberals have to reduce everything to race....
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rACE Trucks

Jason Jessee *is* an Ace Pilot.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SlapMcKracken on October 15, 2022, 02:00:07 PM
Can I get indys to venture out the box lose?

Don’t know what trucks to get next.
My ventures are done.

Venture, thunder or Indy is the question.
Never had Indy’s.

Venture and thunder (always the lightest version) have been both good. Still I’m interested in skating indies.

I‘m strictly park street skating. Manuals, flips, ledges , rails.

What would you get?


And a question to thunders: are tail and noseslides really worse with them? When I was skating them I just  started skating again and wasn’t heavy sliding yet.
I really liked them; but that would be a reason to not get them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on October 15, 2022, 02:17:21 PM
Quote from: SlapMcKracken on October 15, 2022, 02:00:07 PM
Can I get indys to venture out the box lose?

Don’t know what trucks to get next.
My ventures are done.

Venture, thunder or Indy is the question.
Never had Indy’s.

Venture and thunder (always the lightest version) have been both good. Still I’m interested in skating indies.

I‘m strictly park street skating. Manuals, flips, ledges , rails.

What would you get?


And a question to thunders: are tail and noseslides really worse with them? When I was skating them I just  started skating again and wasn’t heavy sliding yet.
I really liked them; but that would be a reason to not get them.

I would say indy's are looser or more unstable than venture in general.

And Thunders do not make nose or tail slides worse at all. If anything I feel more in control on my slides on them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Murge on October 15, 2022, 05:43:41 PM
Quote from: SlapMcKracken on October 15, 2022, 02:00:07 PM
Can I get indys to venture out the box lose?

Don’t know what trucks to get next.
My ventures are done.

Venture, thunder or Indy is the question.
Never had Indy’s.

Venture and thunder (always the lightest version) have been both good. Still I’m interested in skating indies.

I‘m strictly park street skating. Manuals, flips, ledges , rails.

What would you get?


And a question to thunders: are tail and noseslides really worse with them? When I was skating them I just  started skating again and wasn’t heavy sliding yet.
I really liked them; but that would be a reason to not get them.

I think you have to get use to sliding with thunders but when you do I felt I could control them and felt more locked in on noseslides with thunders than Indy’s. You get use to it and I felt more stable with them in grinds and the flick is good. I honestly think for what you skate thunders sound pretty ideal. The bushings suck. I would usually put  Indy 92a blue bushings in. Whichever you prefer barrel or conical.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Easy Slider on October 15, 2022, 11:20:24 PM
Quote from: SlapMcKracken on October 15, 2022, 02:00:07 PM
Can I get indys to venture out the box lose?

Don’t know what trucks to get next.
My ventures are done.

Venture, thunder or Indy is the question.
Never had Indy’s.

Venture and thunder (always the lightest version) have been both good. Still I’m interested in skating indies.

I‘m strictly park street skating. Manuals, flips, ledges , rails.

What would you get?


And a question to thunders: are tail and noseslides really worse with them? When I was skating them I just  started skating again and wasn’t heavy sliding yet.
I really liked them; but that would be a reason to not get them.

Indys are nice but will feel heavy if you come from light Ventures/Thunders. Even hollows are still quite heavy. Never had ti‘s which would be the lightest option.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 16, 2022, 09:28:39 AM


I'm never copping hollow trucks again ever. This is some g&s bullshit all over again. I'm not pro no need for hollow trucks

(https://i.ibb.co/bJM1VKZ/IMG-20221016-121253917.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2N1qrkQ)

I know it looks like it could be a lense distortion but it's not I assure you it's a major fucking bend.



Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 16, 2022, 10:26:03 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/WthhQts/IMG-20221016-124859-893.webp) (https://ibb.co/6BMM2BN)

Calm and relaxed

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 16, 2022, 12:20:22 PM
 I found my box o stuff. Got hangers

I'm calm and relaxed now.

That fucking sucks. It's dangerous AF when going fast because the wheels not contacting properly
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on October 16, 2022, 12:26:26 PM
Quote from: Uncle Flea on October 16, 2022, 12:20:22 PM
I found my box o stuff. Got hangers

I'm calm and relaxed now.

That fucking sucks. It's dangerous AF when going fast because the wheels not contacting properly

Had that happen before on a pair of standards. Sucks so badly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Easy Slider on October 16, 2022, 12:43:49 PM
Happened to my Lurpivs. I only noticed it when the hanger broke.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 16, 2022, 01:41:38 PM
It's impossible not to notice at this time.

Do you think it's fixable?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 16, 2022, 04:33:06 PM
You could bend it back, but you've introduced fatigue to the axle by bending it in the first place so it is now weaker. How much? Beats me. I'd toss em. What size do you skate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on October 16, 2022, 05:49:49 PM
You better send DLX a calm and relaxed warranty claim
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on October 16, 2022, 09:30:57 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on October 13, 2022, 04:03:26 PM
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Whats the most stable truck for downhill bombing? I only have 8.25" trucks, and Indy's feel kinda... Like they can quickly bite back if you do some quicker carves at high speed. I want to go up to atleast 8.5, so idk if Indy's change when sizing up... Thunders better for such?
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Caliber IIIs

You could bomb Lhotse no problem on those bad boys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on October 16, 2022, 10:21:41 PM
Quote from: babywantsbluevelvet on October 16, 2022, 09:30:57 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on October 13, 2022, 04:03:26 PM
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Quote from: Vintagebody on October 13, 2022, 12:29:47 PM
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Whats the most stable truck for downhill bombing? I only have 8.25" trucks, and Indy's feel kinda... Like they can quickly bite back if you do some quicker carves at high speed. I want to go up to atleast 8.5, so idk if Indy's change when sizing up... Thunders better for such?
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Caliber IIIs
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You could bomb Lhotse no problem on those bad boys.

Fun times watching a man fight an internet forum.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on October 29, 2022, 07:40:40 PM
What are the thoughts on this,

Zach doeling Powell am/pro whatever has mini logo hangars on a Indy ikp baseplate

Does this work?

Are mini logo the same geo?

Can we all now just adjust pop angle swapping hangars and not caring?

I want to believe
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: radcunt on October 30, 2022, 03:42:30 PM
What are the thoughts on trucks for FA / Hockey decks?  Cross posting from the board set  up thread, but it's  really a truck question.

I’ve got a Hockey John Fitzgerald coming, (8.5 31.9 long 14.25 wb) which is the skinniest board & first popsicle I’ve ridden for a long while. With Hockeys steeper kicks what trucks would work best? I ride indys or aces usually. Looking at ace 44, maybe lows. Or would the Thunder geometry work better?  Haven't ridden thunders in ages, but does their geometry work better for a steep tail / nose? I'm looking to work on my flatground, manny pad, ledge skating on this, maybe a less turny truck would be perfect?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FGO925 on October 31, 2022, 10:53:21 AM
Put together a nice transition setup with a polar 8.38 w/wheel wells, 58mm f4 og classics, and standard 149 Indy’s… holy shit these trucks are heavy. Always have the same board set up (most of the time with an 8.5) and various other trucks.

Wanted the standard Indy for the height to ride bigger wheels. The turn is so fun. Left the trucks stock and they have a bit of a wobble, so super loose and it’s amazing. I can’t however get over just how damn heavy they are. Going to take some time getting used to.

Do pros really ride standard 149s on street setups? I would assume they would prefer the hollows. Seems so heavy to me but probably good for getting your feet and legs strong, it’s like a weight vest for skateboarding.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 31, 2022, 10:55:03 AM
Quote from: radcunt on October 30, 2022, 03:42:30 PM
What are the thoughts on trucks for FA / Hockey decks?  Cross posting from the board set  up thread, but it's  really a truck question.

I’ve got a Hockey John Fitzgerald coming, (8.5 31.9 long 14.25 wb) which is the skinniest board & first popsicle I’ve ridden for a long while. With Hockeys steeper kicks what trucks would work best? I ride indys or aces usually. Looking at ace 44, maybe lows. Or would the Thunder geometry work better?  Haven't ridden thunders in ages, but does their geometry work better for a steep tail / nose? I'm looking to work on my flatground, manny pad, ledge skating on this, maybe a less turny truck would be perfect?

I replied to your other post with the same info, but that deck is not very steep or square. It's not far off the Blue Eagle AH shape. My friend rides Indy Forged Hollow on it and enjoys it. I'm sure Thunders would also be fine since that is what John and much of the FA/Hockey camp rides.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 31, 2022, 10:59:08 AM
Quote from: FGO925 on October 31, 2022, 10:53:21 AM
Put together a nice transition setup with a polar 8.38 w/wheel wells, 58mm f4 og classics, and standard 149 Indy’s… holy shit these trucks are heavy. Always have the same board set up (most of the time with an 8.5) and various other trucks.

Wanted the standard Indy for the height to ride bigger wheels. The turn is so fun. Left the trucks stock and they have a bit of a wobble, so super loose and it’s amazing. I can’t however get over just how damn heavy they are. Going to take some time getting used to.

Do pros really ride standard 149s on street setups? I would assume they would prefer the hollows. Seems so heavy to me but probably good for getting your feet and legs strong, it’s like a weight vest for skateboarding.

The hollow axles don't save much. A standard American quarter weighs 5.6g. When I went from normal axles to hollows I didn't notice because it's like 2 American quarters of weight per truck. My standards weighed less than what Tactics advertises and my hollows more. They're not far off. Forged versions save a decent amount esp when you get to forged hollow territory, which makes them weigh as much as a Thunder Team. Where they might feel "heavy" is the height, which makes them take longer to pop. Forged Ti do get into a light-er territory, but nothing like a true light truck like a Thunder Forged Hollow/Ti.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on October 31, 2022, 10:59:52 AM
At the same time, there’s some risk in changing everything completely….I’d maybe just throw on the aces and see….
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on October 31, 2022, 11:42:45 AM
Quote from: FGO925 on October 31, 2022, 10:53:21 AM
Put together a nice transition setup with a polar 8.38 w/wheel wells, 58mm f4 og classics, and standard 149 Indy’s… holy shit these trucks are heavy. Always have the same board set up (most of the time with an 8.5) and various other trucks.

Wanted the standard Indy for the height to ride bigger wheels. The turn is so fun. Left the trucks stock and they have a bit of a wobble, so super loose and it’s amazing. I can’t however get over just how damn heavy they are. Going to take some time getting used to.

Do pros really ride standard 149s on street setups? I would assume they would prefer the hollows. Seems so heavy to me but probably good for getting your feet and legs strong, it’s like a weight vest for skateboarding.

Wrong thread for this question so, sorry. Where did you find the F4 58mm OG Classics? I’m on a hunt.

I bet sizing down your wheels a bit would shave off more weight than going for a hollow Indy. Maybe I’m wrong though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: radcunt on October 31, 2022, 02:53:41 PM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on October 31, 2022, 10:55:03 AM
Quote from: radcunt on October 30, 2022, 03:42:30 PM
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What are the thoughts on trucks for FA / Hockey decks?  Cross posting from the board set  up thread, but it's  really a truck question.

I’ve got a Hockey John Fitzgerald coming, (8.5 31.9 long 14.25 wb) which is the skinniest board & first popsicle I’ve ridden for a long while. With Hockeys steeper kicks what trucks would work best? I ride indys or aces usually. Looking at ace 44, maybe lows. Or would the Thunder geometry work better?  Haven't ridden thunders in ages, but does their geometry work better for a steep tail / nose? I'm looking to work on my flatground, manny pad, ledge skating on this, maybe a less turny truck would be perfect?
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I replied to your other post with the same info, but that deck is not very steep or square. It's not far off the Blue Eagle AH shape. My friend rides Indy Forged Hollow on it and enjoys it. I'm sure Thunders would also be fine since that is what John and much of the FA/Hockey camp rides.


Thanks! Yeah, not sure if I could go through with the thunders, reckon the forged hollows are the go, especially as i'll be trying to get off the goddamn ground with this cursed unit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FGO925 on October 31, 2022, 03:15:07 PM
Quote from: DeepSpace9mm on October 31, 2022, 11:42:45 AM
Quote from: FGO925 on October 31, 2022, 10:53:21 AM
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Put together a nice transition setup with a polar 8.38 w/wheel wells, 58mm f4 og classics, and standard 149 Indy’s… holy shit these trucks are heavy. Always have the same board set up (most of the time with an 8.5) and various other trucks.

Wanted the standard Indy for the height to ride bigger wheels. The turn is so fun. Left the trucks stock and they have a bit of a wobble, so super loose and it’s amazing. I can’t however get over just how damn heavy they are. Going to take some time getting used to.

Do pros really ride standard 149s on street setups? I would assume they would prefer the hollows. Seems so heavy to me but probably good for getting your feet and legs strong, it’s like a weight vest for skateboarding.
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Wrong thread for this question so, sorry. Where did you find the F4 58mm OG Classics? I’m on a hunt.

I bet sizing down your wheels a bit would shave off more weight than going for a hollow Indy. Maybe I’m wrong though.

Got them about 7 months ago from a local shop. Cant find them anywhere unfortunately. A local homie thought they were the conical/fulls. Seems like they got ride of the OG classic shape.


Also, the forged hollows on paper seem way lighter no? Not really looking to buy more trucks since I’m pretty set. More of just a question. I was just shocked on how fucking heavy they are. Seems like they would weigh you down if you’re trying to pop over shit. Doesn’t make too big of a difference as I put the board together as a transition setup, hoping to quit being a puss and learn inverts. But still popping around at the park I was blown away by the weight. I’ve had a bigger board with the same wheels and team thunders/ventures/aces so it’s def the truck weight I’m feeling.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on October 31, 2022, 05:44:01 PM
Quote from: FGO925 on October 31, 2022, 03:15:07 PM
Quote from: DeepSpace9mm on October 31, 2022, 11:42:45 AM
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Quote from: FGO925 on October 31, 2022, 10:53:21 AM
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Put together a nice transition setup with a polar 8.38 w/wheel wells, 58mm f4 og classics, and standard 149 Indy’s… holy shit these trucks are heavy. Always have the same board set up (most of the time with an 8.5) and various other trucks.

Wanted the standard Indy for the height to ride bigger wheels. The turn is so fun. Left the trucks stock and they have a bit of a wobble, so super loose and it’s amazing. I can’t however get over just how damn heavy they are. Going to take some time getting used to.

Do pros really ride standard 149s on street setups? I would assume they would prefer the hollows. Seems so heavy to me but probably good for getting your feet and legs strong, it’s like a weight vest for skateboarding.
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Wrong thread for this question so, sorry. Where did you find the F4 58mm OG Classics? I’m on a hunt.

I bet sizing down your wheels a bit would shave off more weight than going for a hollow Indy. Maybe I’m wrong though.
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Got them about 7 months ago from a local shop. Cant find them anywhere unfortunately. A local homie thought they were the conical/fulls. Seems like they got ride of the OG classic shape.


Also, the forged hollows on paper seem way lighter no? Not really looking to buy more trucks since I’m pretty set. More of just a question. I was just shocked on how fucking heavy they are. Seems like they would weigh you down if you’re trying to pop over shit. Doesn’t make too big of a difference as I put the board together as a transition setup, hoping to quit being a puss and learn inverts. But still popping around at the park I was blown away by the weight. I’ve had a bigger board with the same wheels and team thunders/ventures/aces so it’s def the truck weight I’m feeling.

Ah, Yeah, you could be right.
Hopefully the Indys don’t make it hard to pop up the ledge/manny pads at FGO.
Are you doing inverts on that hip though? (Kidding) 

I sure hope they didn’t get rid of the OG Classic shape.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ambiguousclarity on November 01, 2022, 02:37:33 AM
Quote from: radcunt on October 30, 2022, 03:42:30 PM
What are the thoughts on trucks for FA / Hockey decks?  Cross posting from the board set  up thread, but it's  really a truck question.

I’ve got a Hockey John Fitzgerald coming, (8.5 31.9 long 14.25 wb) which is the skinniest board & first popsicle I’ve ridden for a long while. With Hockeys steeper kicks what trucks would work best? I ride indys or aces usually. Looking at ace 44, maybe lows. Or would the Thunder geometry work better?  Haven't ridden thunders in ages, but does their geometry work better for a steep tail / nose? I'm looking to work on my flatground, manny pad, ledge skating on this, maybe a less turny truck would be perfect?

I’ve just setup an 8.5 FA with 151 Thunder standards with Indy conical bushings. Tail is mellow and the nose only slightly steeper than the real deck I was riding. Picked up the deck for $70 AUD from Supply Store in Sydney. I like switching my setup around, so would encourage you to try thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FGO925 on November 01, 2022, 08:38:58 AM
Quote from: DeepSpace9mm on October 31, 2022, 05:44:01 PM
Quote from: FGO925 on October 31, 2022, 03:15:07 PM
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Quote from: DeepSpace9mm on October 31, 2022, 11:42:45 AM
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Quote from: FGO925 on October 31, 2022, 10:53:21 AM
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Put together a nice transition setup with a polar 8.38 w/wheel wells, 58mm f4 og classics, and standard 149 Indy’s… holy shit these trucks are heavy. Always have the same board set up (most of the time with an 8.5) and various other trucks.

Wanted the standard Indy for the height to ride bigger wheels. The turn is so fun. Left the trucks stock and they have a bit of a wobble, so super loose and it’s amazing. I can’t however get over just how damn heavy they are. Going to take some time getting used to.

Do pros really ride standard 149s on street setups? I would assume they would prefer the hollows. Seems so heavy to me but probably good for getting your feet and legs strong, it’s like a weight vest for skateboarding.
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Wrong thread for this question so, sorry. Where did you find the F4 58mm OG Classics? I’m on a hunt.

I bet sizing down your wheels a bit would shave off more weight than going for a hollow Indy. Maybe I’m wrong though.
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Got them about 7 months ago from a local shop. Cant find them anywhere unfortunately. A local homie thought they were the conical/fulls. Seems like they got ride of the OG classic shape.


Also, the forged hollows on paper seem way lighter no? Not really looking to buy more trucks since I’m pretty set. More of just a question. I was just shocked on how fucking heavy they are. Seems like they would weigh you down if you’re trying to pop over shit. Doesn’t make too big of a difference as I put the board together as a transition setup, hoping to quit being a puss and learn inverts. But still popping around at the park I was blown away by the weight. I’ve had a bigger board with the same wheels and team thunders/ventures/aces so it’s def the truck weight I’m feeling.
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Ah, Yeah, you could be right.
Hopefully the Indys don’t make it hard to pop up the ledge/manny pads at FGO.
Are you doing inverts on that hip though? (Kidding) 

I sure hope they didn’t get rid of the OG Classic shape.

Haha holy shit I can’t imagine. not my local park anymore thank god, I stay out closer to the city nowadays.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 01, 2022, 10:59:22 AM
Quote from: DeepSpace9mm on October 31, 2022, 05:44:01 PM
Quote from: FGO925 on October 31, 2022, 03:15:07 PM
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Quote from: DeepSpace9mm on October 31, 2022, 11:42:45 AM
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Quote from: FGO925 on October 31, 2022, 10:53:21 AM
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Put together a nice transition setup with a polar 8.38 w/wheel wells, 58mm f4 og classics, and standard 149 Indy’s… holy shit these trucks are heavy. Always have the same board set up (most of the time with an 8.5) and various other trucks.

Wanted the standard Indy for the height to ride bigger wheels. The turn is so fun. Left the trucks stock and they have a bit of a wobble, so super loose and it’s amazing. I can’t however get over just how damn heavy they are. Going to take some time getting used to.

Do pros really ride standard 149s on street setups? I would assume they would prefer the hollows. Seems so heavy to me but probably good for getting your feet and legs strong, it’s like a weight vest for skateboarding.
[close]

Wrong thread for this question so, sorry. Where did you find the F4 58mm OG Classics? I’m on a hunt.

I bet sizing down your wheels a bit would shave off more weight than going for a hollow Indy. Maybe I’m wrong though.
[close]

Got them about 7 months ago from a local shop. Cant find them anywhere unfortunately. A local homie thought they were the conical/fulls. Seems like they got ride of the OG classic shape.


Also, the forged hollows on paper seem way lighter no? Not really looking to buy more trucks since I’m pretty set. More of just a question. I was just shocked on how fucking heavy they are. Seems like they would weigh you down if you’re trying to pop over shit. Doesn’t make too big of a difference as I put the board together as a transition setup, hoping to quit being a puss and learn inverts. But still popping around at the park I was blown away by the weight. I’ve had a bigger board with the same wheels and team thunders/ventures/aces so it’s def the truck weight I’m feeling.
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Ah, Yeah, you could be right.
Hopefully the Indys don’t make it hard to pop up the ledge/manny pads at FGO.
Are you doing inverts on that hip though? (Kidding) 

I sure hope they didn’t get rid of the OG Classic shape.

I learned all my tricks on the manual pad and tall block at FGO on a 7.4-7.75, Venture Lo, and 50mm wheels so it shouldn't matter that much. I do miss that elbow. It had the best noping I've ever found
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: radcunt on November 01, 2022, 02:47:32 PM
Quote from: ambiguousclarity on November 01, 2022, 02:37:33 AM
Quote from: radcunt on October 30, 2022, 03:42:30 PM
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What are the thoughts on trucks for FA / Hockey decks?  Cross posting from the board set  up thread, but it's  really a truck question.

I’ve got a Hockey John Fitzgerald coming, (8.5 31.9 long 14.25 wb) which is the skinniest board & first popsicle I’ve ridden for a long while. With Hockeys steeper kicks what trucks would work best? I ride indys or aces usually. Looking at ace 44, maybe lows. Or would the Thunder geometry work better?  Haven't ridden thunders in ages, but does their geometry work better for a steep tail / nose? I'm looking to work on my flatground, manny pad, ledge skating on this, maybe a less turny truck would be perfect?
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I’ve just setup an 8.5 FA with 151 Thunder standards with Indy conical bushings. Tail is mellow and the nose only slightly steeper than the real deck I was riding. Picked up the deck for $70 AUD from Supply Store in Sydney. I like switching my setup around, so would encourage you to try thunders.


Sick thanks. Got this from an OCD sale for $90. Nuts how much they go for full price here. Haven’t tried thunders in 10 years but I’m kinda curious.  If I see them cheap I’ll nab some.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on November 01, 2022, 07:01:03 PM
Quote from: FGO925 on November 01, 2022, 08:38:58 AM

Haha holy shit I can’t imagine. not my local park anymore thank god, I stay out closer to the city nowadays.

Quote from: LebowskisRug on November 01, 2022, 10:59:22 AM

I learned all my tricks on the manual pad and tall block at FGO… I do miss that elbow. It had the best noping I've ever found

\m/ to both of you.
And it definitely does haha!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bombsaway86 on November 11, 2022, 11:02:59 AM
I wore out the pivot cups on my Indy 169s and the only replacements I could find locally were Riptides. Been riding them for about a week now and they give the board a dead waterlogged feeling. Other than that, they feel pretty good now that they’re broken in. Definitely feels more stable and less twitchy without sacrificing any turn.

If I had the choice between stock pivot cups and Riptides, I’d go with stock. I prefer the board feel of the stock ones and don’t think that the Riptides add that much benefit to justify being 3x the price. The only scenario that I would choose the Riptides would be for a cruiser board. These Indy’s are getting close to the axle, so they’ll be on cruiser duty soon anyway.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: switchfrontshuv on November 12, 2022, 10:05:20 PM
God damn 57mm wheels feel so good on indy 149 hollows (not forged baseplate).

would probably be better on ace cuz less overall height but same turn and arc (better nollie heels)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on November 14, 2022, 09:06:07 AM
to a pal with all the trucks:
whats the difference between thunder vs venture forged plates?
is it just the baseplate slide and 1mm height difference?
owned both at some point but never really checked
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bob Loblaw on November 14, 2022, 09:55:01 AM
Quote from: off on November 14, 2022, 09:06:07 AM
to a pal with all the trucks:
whats the difference between thunder vs venture forged plates?
is it just the baseplate slide and 1mm height difference?
owned both at some point but never really checked
Interested in this too, and may try out venture forged plates on with thunder cast hangars.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 14, 2022, 03:36:12 PM
Quote from: off on November 14, 2022, 09:06:07 AM
to a pal with all the trucks:
whats the difference between thunder vs venture forged plates?
is it just the baseplate slide and 1mm height difference?
owned both at some point but never really checked


Are you meaning "What is the diference between the Thunder forged vs cast and Venture forged vs cast?" or the difference between the two truck brands themselves?

I guess in general looking at all four baseplates right here, the forged in both brands are just the lower lighter versions of their cast baseplates, but was there something / anything in particular that you were curious about?

Forged both have the hollow kingpins, cast both have the regular kingpins.  They seem to match up fairly well to each brand, the cast being slightly smaller in size overall, not just height, on these ones. Not much but it is a bit.



I also have a set of Venture cast polished plates with hollow kingpins that someone somewhere must have swapped over, as people have said they never came in this option, but these are still new unused but fairly old stock, which is curious.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on November 14, 2022, 05:40:21 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on November 14, 2022, 03:36:12 PM
Quote from: off on November 14, 2022, 09:06:07 AM
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to a pal with all the trucks:
whats the difference between thunder vs venture forged plates?
is it just the baseplate slide and 1mm height difference?
owned both at some point but never really checked
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Are you meaning "What is the diference between the Thunder forged vs cast and Venture forged vs cast?" or the difference between the two truck brands themselves?

I guess in general looking at all four baseplates right here, the forged in both brands are just the lower lighter versions of their cast baseplates, but was there something / anything in particular that you were curious about?

Forged both have the hollow kingpins, cast both have the regular kingpins.  They seem to match up fairly well to each brand, the cast being slightly smaller in size overall, not just height, on these ones. Not much but it is a bit.



I also have a set of Venture cast polished plates with hollow kingpins that someone somewhere must have swapped over, as people have said they never came in this option, but these are still new unused but fairly old stock, which is curious.
wondering more about kingpin height and geometry differences
at least what can be seen by the naked eye
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on November 15, 2022, 02:52:40 AM
Quote from: off on November 14, 2022, 05:40:21 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on November 14, 2022, 03:36:12 PM
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Quote from: off on November 14, 2022, 09:06:07 AM
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to a pal with all the trucks:
whats the difference between thunder vs venture forged plates?
is it just the baseplate slide and 1mm height difference?
owned both at some point but never really checked
[close]


Are you meaning "What is the diference between the Thunder forged vs cast and Venture forged vs cast?" or the difference between the two truck brands themselves?

I guess in general looking at all four baseplates right here, the forged in both brands are just the lower lighter versions of their cast baseplates, but was there something / anything in particular that you were curious about?

Forged both have the hollow kingpins, cast both have the regular kingpins.  They seem to match up fairly well to each brand, the cast being slightly smaller in size overall, not just height, on these ones. Not much but it is a bit.



I also have a set of Venture cast polished plates with hollow kingpins that someone somewhere must have swapped over, as people have said they never came in this option, but these are still new unused but fairly old stock, which is curious.
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wondering more about kingpin height and geometry differences
at least what can be seen by the naked eye

The benefits:
Venture: Way more kingpin clearance, super stable.
Thunder: Way better turn, lighter.

There's not a huge difference in pop feel, but ventures pop a bit heavier. Thunder kingpin clearance is totally fine, the one on ventures is just insanely good. Thunders turn great, ventures turn acceptable
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LloydBrün on November 15, 2022, 03:26:41 AM
Got some Ace classics (with red baseplate) towards the end of the summer. since then I have not been able to get rid of the squeak coming from my bushings/pivot cup. 

Switched the bushings,  still squeaking.
Switched out the pivot cups,  still squeaking.
Waxed everything that makes contact.  still squeaking.

Now of the real kick in the stones,  fired the hanger onto some independent IKP baseplates, hoping for a least a quiet roll around,  fuck the geometry.... Still squeaking.

I've since dug out some old aces I had and stuck on the new hanger, bushings, etc. and am now currently enjoying the sweet sounds of truck silence. 

Any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on November 15, 2022, 05:32:43 AM
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to a pal with all the trucks:
whats the difference between thunder vs venture forged plates?
is it just the baseplate slide and 1mm height difference?
owned both at some point but never really checked
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Are you meaning "What is the diference between the Thunder forged vs cast and Venture forged vs cast?" or the difference between the two truck brands themselves?

I guess in general looking at all four baseplates right here, the forged in both brands are just the lower lighter versions of their cast baseplates, but was there something / anything in particular that you were curious about?

Forged both have the hollow kingpins, cast both have the regular kingpins.  They seem to match up fairly well to each brand, the cast being slightly smaller in size overall, not just height, on these ones. Not much but it is a bit.



I also have a set of Venture cast polished plates with hollow kingpins that someone somewhere must have swapped over, as people have said they never came in this option, but these are still new unused but fairly old stock, which is curious.
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wondering more about kingpin height and geometry differences
at least what can be seen by the naked eye
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The benefits:
Venture: Way more kingpin clearance, super stable.
Thunder: Way better turn, lighter.

There's not a huge difference in pop feel, but ventures pop a bit heavier. Thunder kingpin clearance is totally fine, the one on ventures is just insanely good. Thunders turn great, ventures turn acceptable

Seconded on the kingpin clearance on Ventures, felt my kingpin nut grinding on the flat bar with my Thunders and none on my Ventures.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on November 15, 2022, 05:52:48 AM
Quote from: LloydBrün on November 15, 2022, 03:26:41 AM
Got some Ace classics (with red baseplate) towards the end of the summer. since then I have not been able to get rid of the squeak coming from my bushings/pivot cup. 

Switched the bushings,  still squeaking.
Switched out the pivot cups,  still squeaking.
Waxed everything that makes contact.  still squeaking.

Now of the real kick in the stones,  fired the hanger onto some independent IKP baseplates, hoping for a least a quiet roll around,  fuck the geometry.... Still squeaking.

I've since dug out some old aces I had and stuck on the new hanger, bushings, etc. and am now currently enjoying the sweet sounds of truck silence. 

Any thoughts on this?

Clean all contact points with rubbing/isopropyl alcohol. Bushings, bushing seats on the hanger, washers, pivot cups/nubs, literally anywhere two parts meet (and can get dirt inside of). Afterwards take the SMALLEST amount of motor oil and LIGHTLY lube all the surfaces. So light you can hardly tell its there, but just enough to give it that factory fresh feel. Just dab a qtip/paper towel with some and lightly coat the surfaces you cleaned. Probably a good idea to gently wipe them with a paper towel afterwards to remove any excess. too much lube will have your shit feeling all jello-y and loose. maybe that's your thing though idk.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LloydBrün on November 15, 2022, 06:08:33 AM
Quote from: IpathCats on November 15, 2022, 05:52:48 AM
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Got some Ace classics (with red baseplate) towards the end of the summer. since then I have not been able to get rid of the squeak coming from my bushings/pivot cup. 

Switched the bushings,  still squeaking.
Switched out the pivot cups,  still squeaking.
Waxed everything that makes contact.  still squeaking.

Now of the real kick in the stones,  fired the hanger onto some independent IKP baseplates, hoping for a least a quiet roll around,  fuck the geometry.... Still squeaking.

I've since dug out some old aces I had and stuck on the new hanger, bushings, etc. and am now currently enjoying the sweet sounds of truck silence. 

Any thoughts on this?
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Clean all contact points with rubbing/isopropyl alcohol. Bushings, bushing seats on the hanger, washers, pivot cups/nubs, literally anywhere two parts meet (and can get dirt inside of). Afterwards take the SMALLEST amount of motor oil and LIGHTLY lube all the surfaces. So light you can hardly tell its there, but just enough to give it that factory fresh feel. Just dab a qtip/paper towel with some and lightly coat the surfaces you cleaned. Probably a good idea to gently wipe them with a paper towel afterwards to remove any excess. too much lube will have your shit feeling all jello-y and loose. maybe that's your thing though idk.

Thanks! Appreciate the advice.  I'll give it a go and report back. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on November 15, 2022, 06:51:24 AM
Quote from: IpathCats on November 15, 2022, 05:52:48 AM
Quote from: LloydBrün on November 15, 2022, 03:26:41 AM
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Got some Ace classics (with red baseplate) towards the end of the summer. since then I have not been able to get rid of the squeak coming from my bushings/pivot cup. 

Switched the bushings,  still squeaking.
Switched out the pivot cups,  still squeaking.
Waxed everything that makes contact.  still squeaking.

Now of the real kick in the stones,  fired the hanger onto some independent IKP baseplates, hoping for a least a quiet roll around,  fuck the geometry.... Still squeaking.

I've since dug out some old aces I had and stuck on the new hanger, bushings, etc. and am now currently enjoying the sweet sounds of truck silence. 

Any thoughts on this?
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Clean all contact points with rubbing/isopropyl alcohol. Bushings, bushing seats on the hanger, washers, pivot cups/nubs, literally anywhere two parts meet (and can get dirt inside of). Afterwards take the SMALLEST amount of motor oil and LIGHTLY lube all the surfaces. So light you can hardly tell its there, but just enough to give it that factory fresh feel. Just dab a qtip/paper towel with some and lightly coat the surfaces you cleaned. Probably a good idea to gently wipe them with a paper towel afterwards to remove any excess. too much lube will have your shit feeling all jello-y and loose. maybe that's your thing though idk.

I say do this, but use a light coating of marine grade bearing grease. A little tube from the auto parts store costs like $3 and even me, a power user of grease due to my bicycle hobby, goes through a tube every few years.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on November 15, 2022, 06:55:53 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on November 15, 2022, 06:51:24 AM
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Got some Ace classics (with red baseplate) towards the end of the summer. since then I have not been able to get rid of the squeak coming from my bushings/pivot cup. 

Switched the bushings,  still squeaking.
Switched out the pivot cups,  still squeaking.
Waxed everything that makes contact.  still squeaking.

Now of the real kick in the stones,  fired the hanger onto some independent IKP baseplates, hoping for a least a quiet roll around,  fuck the geometry.... Still squeaking.

I've since dug out some old aces I had and stuck on the new hanger, bushings, etc. and am now currently enjoying the sweet sounds of truck silence. 

Any thoughts on this?
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Clean all contact points with rubbing/isopropyl alcohol. Bushings, bushing seats on the hanger, washers, pivot cups/nubs, literally anywhere two parts meet (and can get dirt inside of). Afterwards take the SMALLEST amount of motor oil and LIGHTLY lube all the surfaces. So light you can hardly tell its there, but just enough to give it that factory fresh feel. Just dab a qtip/paper towel with some and lightly coat the surfaces you cleaned. Probably a good idea to gently wipe them with a paper towel afterwards to remove any excess. too much lube will have your shit feeling all jello-y and loose. maybe that's your thing though idk.
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I say do this, but use a light coating of marine grade bearing grease. A little tube from the auto parts store costs like $3 and even me, a power user of grease due to my bicycle hobby, goes through a tube every few years.

i prefer motor oil because its easier to go lighter with it. the grease will hold up better/longer, but you dont really want that unless you like your trucks crazy loose and new feeling
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LloydBrün on November 15, 2022, 07:03:32 AM
Quote from: IpathCats on November 15, 2022, 06:55:53 AM
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Got some Ace classics (with red baseplate) towards the end of the summer. since then I have not been able to get rid of the squeak coming from my bushings/pivot cup. 

Switched the bushings,  still squeaking.
Switched out the pivot cups,  still squeaking.
Waxed everything that makes contact.  still squeaking.

Now of the real kick in the stones,  fired the hanger onto some independent IKP baseplates, hoping for a least a quiet roll around,  fuck the geometry.... Still squeaking.

I've since dug out some old aces I had and stuck on the new hanger, bushings, etc. and am now currently enjoying the sweet sounds of truck silence. 

Any thoughts on this?
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Clean all contact points with rubbing/isopropyl alcohol. Bushings, bushing seats on the hanger, washers, pivot cups/nubs, literally anywhere two parts meet (and can get dirt inside of). Afterwards take the SMALLEST amount of motor oil and LIGHTLY lube all the surfaces. So light you can hardly tell its there, but just enough to give it that factory fresh feel. Just dab a qtip/paper towel with some and lightly coat the surfaces you cleaned. Probably a good idea to gently wipe them with a paper towel afterwards to remove any excess. too much lube will have your shit feeling all jello-y and loose. maybe that's your thing though idk.
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I say do this, but use a light coating of marine grade bearing grease. A little tube from the auto parts store costs like $3 and even me, a power user of grease due to my bicycle hobby, goes through a tube every few years.
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i prefer motor oil because its easier to go lighter with it. the grease will hold up better/longer, but you dont really want that unless you like your trucks crazy loose and new feeling

Had a look at using a little motor oil and I can definitely see/hear a difference. 
I actually think its the kingpin causing the issue. when putting the bushings on, I can hear them squeaking against it.
Appreciate the assistance folks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on November 15, 2022, 10:16:26 AM
I've been squirting a pump of some of my aveeno lotion onto a kleenex and then ill just dab my finger in it and wipe it on all the contact points of the hanger and it's been doing better with less mess than wax. I'm sure some pure petrolium jelly would work the same. Never thought about motor oil, that's a good tip for sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on November 15, 2022, 10:25:22 AM
Quote from: logjammin on November 15, 2022, 10:16:26 AM
I've been squirting a pump of some of my aveeno lotion onto a kleenex and then ill just dab my finger in it and wipe it on all the contact points of the hanger and it's been doing better with less mess than wax. I'm sure some pure petrolium jelly would work the same. Never thought about motor oil, that's a good tip for sure.

ive tried petroleum jelly and lotion, motor oil works best. THE TINIEST AMOUNT
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on November 15, 2022, 11:01:50 AM
Quote from: logjammin on November 15, 2022, 10:16:26 AM
I've been squirting a pump of some of my aveeno lotion onto a kleenex and then ill just dab my finger in it and wipe it on all the contact points of the hanger and it's been doing better with less mess than wax. I'm sure some pure petrolium jelly would work the same. Never thought about motor oil, that's a good tip for sure.

(https://i.ibb.co/vqTP1RV/A4823-C98-7187-4886-A3-B9-69-EB19-F17594.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vqTP1RV)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ambiguousclarity on November 15, 2022, 06:09:17 PM
I’ve been trying out narrower decks lately, mainly because a work mate has given me lightly used decks. I just set up an 8.125 with a combo of thunder baseplates and mini logo hangers and bushings. Surprisingly, work well and make for a more stable feel than standard mini logo trucks. I’m also enjoying riding narrower boards.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on November 16, 2022, 02:41:48 PM
Quote from: ambiguousclarity on November 15, 2022, 06:09:17 PM
I’ve been trying out narrower decks lately, mainly because a work mate has given me lightly used decks. I just set up an 8.125 with a combo of thunder baseplates and mini logo hangers and bushings. Surprisingly, work well and make for a more stable feel than standard mini logo trucks. I’m also enjoying riding narrower boards.

I've been on an 8-8.125" since spring and it's the best. I don't see myself going back and now I have a few 8.25"s I don't know what I'll do with. Another bonus to the 8" decks are that they're not particularly popular and hence always seem to be on closeout.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on November 16, 2022, 03:58:10 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on November 16, 2022, 02:41:48 PM
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I’ve been trying out narrower decks lately, mainly because a work mate has given me lightly used decks. I just set up an 8.125 with a combo of thunder baseplates and mini logo hangers and bushings. Surprisingly, work well and make for a more stable feel than standard mini logo trucks. I’m also enjoying riding narrower boards.
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I've been on an 8-8.125" since spring and it's the best. I don't see myself going back and now I have a few 8.25"s I don't know what I'll do with. Another bonus to the 8" decks are that they're not particularly popular and hence always seem to be on closeout.

Bigger boards, were for me, a novelty. Kind of like wearing tight pants.
8s are really functional, again, for me, and the type of skating I like. I also just tired myself out of trying different combinations of stuff, looking for some delicate balance, when if I grab an 8 ish board, I can get adjusted to it really quickly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ambiguousclarity on November 16, 2022, 07:29:22 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on November 16, 2022, 02:41:48 PM
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I’ve been trying out narrower decks lately, mainly because a work mate has given me lightly used decks. I just set up an 8.125 with a combo of thunder baseplates and mini logo hangers and bushings. Surprisingly, work well and make for a more stable feel than standard mini logo trucks. I’m also enjoying riding narrower boards.
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I've been on an 8-8.125" since spring and it's the best. I don't see myself going back and now I have a few 8.25"s I don't know what I'll do with. Another bonus to the 8" decks are that they're not particularly popular and hence always seem to be on closeout.
I’ve noticed there are plenty of 8-8.25 in sale stock. At the start of the year I was riding 8.6 and up. Same workmate gave me an 8.25 Real deck, which started me on the road to narrower boards. I’ve got an 8.5 and 8.3 set up, but I’m preferring the 8.125 at the moment. I like changing it up, keeps it interesting and fun.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ambiguousclarity on November 16, 2022, 07:38:46 PM
Quote from: Ok on November 16, 2022, 03:58:10 PM
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I’ve been trying out narrower decks lately, mainly because a work mate has given me lightly used decks. I just set up an 8.125 with a combo of thunder baseplates and mini logo hangers and bushings. Surprisingly, work well and make for a more stable feel than standard mini logo trucks. I’m also enjoying riding narrower boards.
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I've been on an 8-8.125" since spring and it's the best. I don't see myself going back and now I have a few 8.25"s I don't know what I'll do with. Another bonus to the 8" decks are that they're not particularly popular and hence always seem to be on closeout.
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Bigger boards, were for me, a novelty. Kind of like wearing tight pants.
8s are really functional, again, for me, and the type of skating I like. I also just tired myself out of trying different combinations of stuff, looking for some delicate balance, when if I grab an 8 ish board, I can get adjusted to it really quickly.
Might be too early for me to decide one way or another. I certainly like how narrower boards feel. I’m getting to the point where I’ve tried enough different sizes, shapes and trucks to land on more permanent setup range. The truck combo is is working a treat.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on November 16, 2022, 07:47:28 PM
Quote from: Ok on November 16, 2022, 03:58:10 PM
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Quote from: ambiguousclarity on November 15, 2022, 06:09:17 PM
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I’ve been trying out narrower decks lately, mainly because a work mate has given me lightly used decks. I just set up an 8.125 with a combo of thunder baseplates and mini logo hangers and bushings. Surprisingly, work well and make for a more stable feel than standard mini logo trucks. I’m also enjoying riding narrower boards.
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I've been on an 8-8.125" since spring and it's the best. I don't see myself going back and now I have a few 8.25"s I don't know what I'll do with. Another bonus to the 8" decks are that they're not particularly popular and hence always seem to be on closeout.
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Bigger boards, were for me, a novelty. Kind of like wearing tight pants.
8s are really functional, again, for me, and the type of skating I like. I also just tired myself out of trying different combinations of stuff, looking for some delicate balance, when if I grab an 8 ish board, I can get adjusted to it really quickly.

Bigger boards were definitely a thing I kinda thought I was supposed to do as an old guy returning to skating after a decade or so hiatus (where I had a soggy Antihero price point deck I would take out a few times a year). I don’t regret anything (except the Welcome deck) - it definitely got me to where I am now, which I’m fairly happy with.

And I’ve got a paid of 149 Reynolds and 159 titanium sitting around should I decide to mix it up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FUBAR on November 17, 2022, 02:44:30 AM
I just put some new Indy black bushings and a set of 1/8 risers in and under a set of new Venture 6.1s since it was instant wheelbite on stock bushings, stock tightness, and no risers. Dug out an old 8.5, slapped on some wider 50mm wheels…excited to see what this setup brings. Easily the widest trucks I have ever ridden.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mick on November 18, 2022, 12:40:37 AM
Quote from: 708Skater on November 17, 2022, 11:47:00 PM
8” Thunders (147) vs 8” Independent (139s) size difference
Has anybody else switched from Indy’s  to Thunders? I did, & now I’m kinda worried about my grinds.
What is your experience with switching?
(https://i.ibb.co/R9wYqmH/75-BAC11-A-5626-4600-9047-E38696405000.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R9wYqmH)pic sharing (https://imgbb.com/)
These are just straight up not the same size truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on November 18, 2022, 01:18:26 AM
Quote from: Mick on November 18, 2022, 12:40:37 AM
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8” Thunders (147) vs 8” Independent (139s) size difference
Has anybody else switched from Indy’s  to Thunders? I did, & now I’m kinda worried about my grinds.
What is your experience with switching?
(https://i.ibb.co/R9wYqmH/75-BAC11-A-5626-4600-9047-E38696405000.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R9wYqmH)pic sharing (https://imgbb.com/)
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These are just straight up not the same size truck

This. They should be exactly the same width
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DarkPools on November 18, 2022, 01:49:26 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on November 18, 2022, 01:18:26 AM
Quote from: Mick on November 18, 2022, 12:40:37 AM
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Quote from: 708Skater on November 17, 2022, 11:47:00 PM
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8” Thunders (147) vs 8” Independent (139s) size difference
Has anybody else switched from Indy’s  to Thunders? I did, & now I’m kinda worried about my grinds.
What is your experience with switching?
(https://i.ibb.co/R9wYqmH/75-BAC11-A-5626-4600-9047-E38696405000.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R9wYqmH)pic sharing (https://imgbb.com/)
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These are just straight up not the same size truck
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This. They should be exactly the same width
Is that person sure those aren't 145 or 146 Thunders, and not 147? Regardless, thay is odd. They don't look like the same size at all.

Thunder
149 = 8.5
148 = 8.25
147 = 8
146 = 7.75 (not sure if this size exists or not)
145 = 7.5
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ImmanuelCunt on November 18, 2022, 03:04:47 AM
That have to be at least 149 Indies, I just checked my 147 thunders and 144 Indies and it is less of a difference than this.

edit: Photos are shit, but you'll get the point.

(https://i.imgur.com/v878BgR.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/JpWcvxW.jpg)

edit 2: Thunder 149 vs Thunder 147 for comparison. Indies 149 are mounted currently and hard to compare and I don't want to unmount them right now.

(https://i.imgur.com/a7Go0WZ.jpg)

edit 3: Forgot that I had 1444 Thunder as well. Thunder 144 and Indy 144. They are the same width. And yes I have a Problem.

(https://i.imgur.com/G5tBGd4.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Rosstradahmus on November 20, 2022, 09:43:32 PM
Standard Venture 5.8's with the loose trucks bushings and a Kreper pin.
(https://i.ibb.co/BrkFSBk/IMG-20221120-223326815.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BrkFSBk)

(https://i.ibb.co/QDhjr72/IMG-20221120-223340694.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QDhjr72)

(https://i.ibb.co/0ZghRqG/IMG-20221120-223352997.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0ZghRqG)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 09, 2022, 06:59:55 PM
Quote from: Rosstradahmus on November 20, 2022, 09:43:32 PM
Standard Venture 5.8's with the loose trucks bushings and a Kreper pin.
(https://i.ibb.co/BrkFSBk/IMG-20221120-223326815.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BrkFSBk)

(https://i.ibb.co/QDhjr72/IMG-20221120-223340694.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QDhjr72)

(https://i.ibb.co/0ZghRqG/IMG-20221120-223352997.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0ZghRqG)


Maybe a bit late, but did you have to angle grind down the end of the kingpin on those?

Most other low head bushings don't seem to fit in the inverted kingpin sets, as they have the set length kingpins, or even worse, have set thread limit, but goodness there is zero kingpin hangup on those hey?!?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on December 10, 2022, 06:29:02 AM
What the hell are origin trucks. Just came in:

https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/origin-shop (https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/origin-shop)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tuesday on December 10, 2022, 07:30:04 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on December 10, 2022, 06:29:02 AM
What the hell are origin trucks.

The fugliest trucks in quite some time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 10, 2022, 07:56:00 AM
How big are y'all riding 8-8.125? I had an 8" Polar I liked with a 14.25WB and 139s, but eventually went back up to 144 and it got stolen from my car in my parking garage. These days I'm on 8.25-8.38 mostly with 14.38 and honestly not sure I could feasibly go down below that and lose pop, but I do wonder. I'm 6 foot 3 with a size 10
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on December 10, 2022, 09:09:34 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on December 10, 2022, 07:56:00 AM
How big are y'all riding 8-8.125? I had an 8" Polar I liked with a 14.25WB and 139s, but eventually went back up to 144 and it got stolen from my car in my parking garage. These days I'm on 8.25-8.38 mostly with 14.38 and honestly not sure I could feasibly go down below that and lose pop, but I do wonder. I'm 6 foot 3 with a size 10

I'm currently riding an 8.0 board because I panic-bought every availlable ishod twin tail two years ago when they were still rare and all 8.25 were gone.
First skated it with 8.0 thunders on risers but felt much more comfortable after switching to 8.25 thunders. Flip tricks feel the same, but it somehow makes such a big difference on ledges and transition.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on January 07, 2023, 10:15:00 PM
Through all the madness of lowering kingpins whether it be using an angle grinder or going the inverted route, I had a random idea that seems super easy but I don’t think any fellow truck schizos on here have mentioned trying it. Put on a low top bushing and set the nut so everything is tightened down properly, then with all the excess kingpin sticking up just snip it off with a bolt cutter that has 3/8” cutting capacity. Boom, done. Worst case might need to rethread the tip where it was cut?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 07, 2023, 10:54:12 PM
Quote from: goodatmeth on December 10, 2022, 06:29:02 AM
What the hell are origin trucks. Just came in:

https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/origin-shop (https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/origin-shop)

For those who skated krux and thought…..‘I need more hole…’
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FGO925 on January 08, 2023, 01:15:39 PM
Anyone have suggestions on modding venture/Indy/thunder with an inverted kingpin?

I’ve seen some with the kreper kingpin and the krux downlow as well. From what I remember it’s only able to be done on cast plates not forged?

I have a bunch of old spare trucks that I’d love to have some fun and convert to an IKP setup.

Is it required to JB weld the bottom? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 08, 2023, 04:03:38 PM
Yes, cast baseplates and something older ie. I had problems with newer thunder cast plates.  I jammed a screw driver to lock the nut and get my trucks to the right tightness, mounted them, and didn’t touch them and I was fine.  The JB more so helps it from coming loose.  I think too you could skate a low bushing to get a few more threads…,
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: radcunt on January 08, 2023, 08:10:05 PM
when is someone going to release a good inverted kingpin truck that either has a threaded baseplate or a notched nut hole to slit the nut into. Slappy could have done this as standard as king pin clearance is always the unsolved mystery with most trucks. Hate the sound of a grinding kingpin.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on January 08, 2023, 08:55:19 PM
Quote from: radcunt on January 08, 2023, 08:10:05 PM
when is someone going to release a good inverted kingpin truck that either has a threaded baseplate or a notched nut hole to slit the nut into. Slappy could have done this as standard as king pin clearance is always the unsolved mystery with most trucks. Hate the sound of a grinding kingpin.

Royal did a good job with their IKP, I think they did a threaded baseplate. The pair I rode didn't rattle loose but the bushings were way too soft. Started out medium but got way too mushy after a few months.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 08, 2023, 11:26:42 PM
Royal, Indy/krux and slappy all have a threaded plate w/shaft nut (and the same pin; coincidence?)…where ya been?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 09, 2023, 02:25:04 AM
Quote from: radcunt on January 08, 2023, 08:10:05 PM
when is someone going to release a good inverted kingpin truck that either has a threaded baseplate or a notched nut hole to slit the nut into. Slappy could have done this as standard as king pin clearance is always the unsolved mystery with most trucks. Hate the sound of a grinding kingpin.


Are you meaning just a standard kingpin nut that sits in the baseplate, like the old Krux inverted kingpins sat in their baseplates or some other brands used to do?  I just can't remember which brands I have seen, but there were a few - old Indy, Thunder and others have all worked with those, with the old hex head baseplates.

To me this would be a better option than the built in kingpin nuts with shaft and solid components, as you could change it out whenever you needed to.

I guess this also came with its own problems back in the day as the baseplate hole would oval out, as per a few sets I have seen from others who did that mod on them, but at least it was way easier to swap out just the nut as needed.

The newer Thunder baseplate with the hex bottom is way easier to just use a standard kingpin nut at least.


Not sure if you have seen them, but pics here in the Thunder thread:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118215.msg3731535#msg3731535


Or this one from way earlier, maybe the first time this was posted:


Quote from: Richard Skidder on November 21, 2021, 07:02:44 AM
Looks like Thunder is setting the kingpin deeper into the baseplate now. Should allow to get them a little bit looser.
(https://i.ibb.co/VHXK7sx/B7-CABE16-B98-D-4-A85-BF9-F-A400292-EF222.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VHXK7sx)


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: radcunt on January 09, 2023, 07:16:08 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on January 09, 2023, 02:25:04 AM
Quote from: radcunt on January 08, 2023, 08:10:05 PM
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when is someone going to release a good inverted kingpin truck that either has a threaded baseplate or a notched nut hole to slit the nut into. Slappy could have done this as standard as king pin clearance is always the unsolved mystery with most trucks. Hate the sound of a grinding kingpin.
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Are you meaning just a standard kingpin nut that sits in the baseplate, like the old Krux inverted kingpins sat in their baseplates or some other brands used to do?  I just can't remember which brands I have seen, but there were a few - old Indy, Thunder and others have all worked with those, with the old hex head baseplates.

To me this would be a better option than the built in kingpin nuts with shaft and solid components, as you could change it out whenever you needed to.

I guess this also came with its own problems back in the day as the baseplate hole would oval out, as per a few sets I have seen from others who did that mod on them, but at least it was way easier to swap out just the nut as needed.

The newer Thunder baseplate with the hex bottom is way easier to just use a standard kingpin nut at least.


Not sure if you have seen them, but pics here in the Thunder thread:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118215.msg3731535#msg3731535 (https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118215.msg3731535#msg3731535)


Or this one from way earlier, maybe the first time this was posted:


Quote from: Richard Skidder on November 21, 2021, 07:02:44 AM
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Looks like Thunder is setting the kingpin deeper into the baseplate now. Should allow to get them a little bit looser.
(https://i.ibb.co/VHXK7sx/B7-CABE16-B98-D-4-A85-BF9-F-A400292-EF222.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VHXK7sx)
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I remember having trucks in the 90s we’d invert the kingpins on as they had hex shaped holes in the baseplate.  Plus have sworn they were Indy’s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bombsaway86 on January 09, 2023, 09:40:17 AM
Quote from: radcunt on January 09, 2023, 07:16:08 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on January 09, 2023, 02:25:04 AM
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Quote from: radcunt on January 08, 2023, 08:10:05 PM
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when is someone going to release a good inverted kingpin truck that either has a threaded baseplate or a notched nut hole to slit the nut into. Slappy could have done this as standard as king pin clearance is always the unsolved mystery with most trucks. Hate the sound of a grinding kingpin.
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Are you meaning just a standard kingpin nut that sits in the baseplate, like the old Krux inverted kingpins sat in their baseplates or some other brands used to do?  I just can't remember which brands I have seen, but there were a few - old Indy, Thunder and others have all worked with those, with the old hex head baseplates.

To me this would be a better option than the built in kingpin nuts with shaft and solid components, as you could change it out whenever you needed to.

I guess this also came with its own problems back in the day as the baseplate hole would oval out, as per a few sets I have seen from others who did that mod on them, but at least it was way easier to swap out just the nut as needed.

The newer Thunder baseplate with the hex bottom is way easier to just use a standard kingpin nut at least.


Not sure if you have seen them, but pics here in the Thunder thread:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118215.msg3731535#msg3731535 (https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118215.msg3731535#msg3731535)


Or this one from way earlier, maybe the first time this was posted:


Quote from: Richard Skidder on November 21, 2021, 07:02:44 AM
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Looks like Thunder is setting the kingpin deeper into the baseplate now. Should allow to get them a little bit looser.
(https://i.ibb.co/VHXK7sx/B7-CABE16-B98-D-4-A85-BF9-F-A400292-EF222.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VHXK7sx)
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I remember having trucks in the 90s we’d invert the kingpins on as they had hex shaped holes in the baseplate.  Plus have sworn they were Indy’s.

If I remember correctly, Indy’s had a hex shaped hole for the kingpin up until stage 9. I remember breaking kingpins on stage 8 a lot, then when stage 9 came out they had the new “unbreakable” kingpins with the round head.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: gaunting on January 09, 2023, 09:50:45 AM
I remember when the stage 9 came out. never broke a kingpin on stage 8’s. but I remember breaking at least 2-3 kingpins on separate pairs of stage 9’s. at the time I weighed 110 lbs soaking wet. 🤣 don’t miss those trucks. also pretty sure that was Indy’s shortest lived stage.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bombsaway86 on January 09, 2023, 10:16:24 AM
Quote from: gaunting on January 09, 2023, 09:50:45 AM
I remember when the stage 9 came out. never broke a kingpin on stage 8’s. but I remember breaking at least 2-3 kingpins on separate pairs of stage 9’s. at the time I weighed 110 lbs soaking wet. 🤣 don’t miss those trucks. also pretty sure that was Indy’s shortest lived stage.

I never broke kingpins on stage 9, but I had a few baseplates split in half. They upgraded the baseplates mid run, so there was kind of a stage 9.5 truck for a while.

I definitely remember them advertising the kingpins as “unbreakable” on stage 9
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 09, 2023, 01:32:50 PM
Quote from: bombsaway86 on January 09, 2023, 09:40:17 AM
Quote from: radcunt on January 09, 2023, 07:16:08 AM
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Quote from: Mbrimson88 on January 09, 2023, 02:25:04 AM
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Quote from: radcunt on January 08, 2023, 08:10:05 PM
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when is someone going to release a good inverted kingpin truck that either has a threaded baseplate or a notched nut hole to slit the nut into. Slappy could have done this as standard as king pin clearance is always the unsolved mystery with most trucks. Hate the sound of a grinding kingpin.
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Are you meaning just a standard kingpin nut that sits in the baseplate, like the old Krux inverted kingpins sat in their baseplates or some other brands used to do?  I just can't remember which brands I have seen, but there were a few - old Indy, Thunder and others have all worked with those, with the old hex head baseplates.

To me this would be a better option than the built in kingpin nuts with shaft and solid components, as you could change it out whenever you needed to.

I guess this also came with its own problems back in the day as the baseplate hole would oval out, as per a few sets I have seen from others who did that mod on them, but at least it was way easier to swap out just the nut as needed.

The newer Thunder baseplate with the hex bottom is way easier to just use a standard kingpin nut at least.


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I remember having trucks in the 90s we’d invert the kingpins on as they had hex shaped holes in the baseplate.  Plus have sworn they were Indy’s.
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If I remember correctly, Indy’s had a hex shaped hole for the kingpin up until stage 9. I remember breaking kingpins on stage 8 a lot, then when stage 9 came out they had the new “unbreakable” kingpins with the round head.


I think the normal hex kingpin was replaced just before 2000 with the new button head, so every truck up til then had an easier option to just push out the normal kingpin to put in another or put something else in like the inverted kingpins.

That innovation was said to make kingpins way lighter and more stable in the baseplate, but for anyone needing to remove it or replace it, often it was not so much fun.



Quote from: bombsaway86 on January 09, 2023, 10:16:24 AM
Quote from: gaunting on January 09, 2023, 09:50:45 AM
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I remember when the stage 9 came out. never broke a kingpin on stage 8’s. but I remember breaking at least 2-3 kingpins on separate pairs of stage 9’s. at the time I weighed 110 lbs soaking wet. 🤣 don’t miss those trucks. also pretty sure that was Indy’s shortest lived stage.
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I never broke kingpins on stage 9, but I had a few baseplates split in half. They upgraded the baseplates mid run, so there was kind of a stage 9.5 truck for a while.

I definitely remember them advertising the kingpins as “unbreakable” on stage 9



With you on the Stage 9 - so many baseplates broke and lots of returns / warranty claims put in for those things while working at a bigger shop.

I think I accumulated a whole lot of hangers in that period, whereas all other stages it was the hanger that wore out so I was able to recycle more hangers during and after they came out with the solid baseplate.  Now I am back to having more baseplates than hangers, but it was an interesting time.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: radcunt on January 09, 2023, 03:09:00 PM
Quote from: bombsaway86 on January 09, 2023, 09:40:17 AM
Quote from: radcunt on January 09, 2023, 07:16:08 AM
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Quote from: Mbrimson88 on January 09, 2023, 02:25:04 AM
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Quote from: radcunt on January 08, 2023, 08:10:05 PM
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when is someone going to release a good inverted kingpin truck that either has a threaded baseplate or a notched nut hole to slit the nut into. Slappy could have done this as standard as king pin clearance is always the unsolved mystery with most trucks. Hate the sound of a grinding kingpin.
[close]


Are you meaning just a standard kingpin nut that sits in the baseplate, like the old Krux inverted kingpins sat in their baseplates or some other brands used to do?  I just can't remember which brands I have seen, but there were a few - old Indy, Thunder and others have all worked with those, with the old hex head baseplates.

To me this would be a better option than the built in kingpin nuts with shaft and solid components, as you could change it out whenever you needed to.

I guess this also came with its own problems back in the day as the baseplate hole would oval out, as per a few sets I have seen from others who did that mod on them, but at least it was way easier to swap out just the nut as needed.

The newer Thunder baseplate with the hex bottom is way easier to just use a standard kingpin nut at least.


Not sure if you have seen them, but pics here in the Thunder thread:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118215.msg3731535#msg3731535 (https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118215.msg3731535#msg3731535)


Or this one from way earlier, maybe the first time this was posted:


Quote from: Richard Skidder on November 21, 2021, 07:02:44 AM
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Looks like Thunder is setting the kingpin deeper into the baseplate now. Should allow to get them a little bit looser.
(https://i.ibb.co/VHXK7sx/B7-CABE16-B98-D-4-A85-BF9-F-A400292-EF222.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VHXK7sx)
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I remember having trucks in the 90s we’d invert the kingpins on as they had hex shaped holes in the baseplate.  Plus have sworn they were Indy’s.
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If I remember correctly, Indy’s had a hex shaped hole for the kingpin up until stage 9. I remember breaking kingpins on stage 8 a lot, then when stage 9 came out they had the new “unbreakable” kingpins with the round head.


Bingo!!  Good to know I’m not nuts. Hacksawing those kingpins was a turd but we’d grind them through the axle and needed all the clearance we could get.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Steely Daniel on January 09, 2023, 04:49:21 PM
Quote from: gaunting on January 09, 2023, 09:50:45 AM
I remember when the stage 9 came out. never broke a kingpin on stage 8’s. but I remember breaking at least 2-3 kingpins on separate pairs of stage 9’s. at the time I weighed 110 lbs soaking wet. 🤣 don’t miss those trucks. also pretty sure that was Indy’s shortest lived stage.

Stage 9 were horrible. I remember bending all the axles on the 3 pairs I had...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dr.prestige on January 09, 2023, 05:00:37 PM
anybody got any experience with Grind King Disruptors? I got them somewhat recently and have barely used them because I think they don't turn very well. I just got them some aftermarket 88a Indy bushings with the tapered bottom bushings and they improved a good amount but I'd still like to hear your thoughts/opinions/tips/tricks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: emotional_degloving on January 09, 2023, 06:02:40 PM
Quote from: dr.prestige on January 09, 2023, 05:00:37 PM
anybody got any experience with Grind King Disruptors? I got them somewhat recently and have barely used them because I think they don't turn very well. I just got them some aftermarket 88a Indy bushings with the tapered bottom bushings and they improved a good amount but I'd still like to hear your thoughts/opinions/tips/tricks

In my experience they were okay-ish, they're weird. They grind really well, it's a piss take you need the proprietary tool to tighten, take apart, etc. which I think sullied my view on them. And then went insane trying to figure out how to make the turn actually good.
The stock bushings kinda suck ass and so does the turn. I think you're on the right track with the Indy bushings, but they can get very bitey.

I know another person who also got them and slowly went into bushing insanity thanks to the Disruptors.

I got some around August/September and I think the warning sign was the fact the shop owner had never heard of them but they mysteriously had a pair at the back of the truck cabinet. Backrooms cryptid ass truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Aquatic Dinosaur on January 22, 2023, 05:03:35 PM
Has anyone ever combined ace low baseplates with Indy hangers?  I have ace f1 lows and switched back to my forged hollow Indys today and I immediately missed the ace low turn but the grind is 10x better.  So my brain tells me to put the hanger on the ace baseplates.  Why will I regret this?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 23, 2023, 02:04:31 PM
Quote from: metchup on January 22, 2023, 05:03:35 PM
Why will I regret this?
be sure to let us know, trailblazer
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 24, 2023, 10:38:04 AM
Carbon fiber plates (appear to be a one off for funsies)

https://www.instagram.com/p/CnyMolmLQQh/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dr.prestige on January 24, 2023, 11:30:31 AM
Quote from: Xen on January 24, 2023, 10:38:04 AM
Carbon fiber plates (appear to be a one off for funsies)

https://www.instagram.com/p/CnyMolmLQQh/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

these are pretty incredible. I wonder how they would hold up to some noseslides. He's obviously not going to be using these for curbs and ledges though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on January 24, 2023, 12:41:07 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 24, 2023, 10:38:04 AM
Carbon fiber plates (appear to be a one off for funsies)

https://www.instagram.com/p/CnyMolmLQQh/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

The opposite of Mullen, who used to tape loose ball bearings into his truck baseplates to make them heavier.  I think it had to do with adjusting the location of the center mass so flips would rotate in a certain way.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on January 24, 2023, 12:44:01 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 24, 2023, 10:38:04 AM
Carbon fiber plates (appear to be a one off for funsies)

https://www.instagram.com/p/CnyMolmLQQh/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

I love it. Wanna see skaters go full weight weenie.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on January 29, 2023, 06:10:11 AM
https://youtu.be/MYT3EFHOu24

Bucky’s DIY trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on January 29, 2023, 08:01:28 AM
Quote from: TwisT on January 29, 2023, 06:10:11 AM
https://youtu.be/MYT3EFHOu24

Bucky’s DIY trucks

I didn't watch the whole thing, but does he not, at any point, put them on a scale? What's the point of a video documenting your weight weenie trucks if you're not even going to give us the weight? Also I am curious how he got the kingpin in. Seems like flanges on the kingpin might deform the carbon fiber in an undesirable way.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on January 29, 2023, 08:08:33 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cn-O5oASpxG/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on January 29, 2023, 09:31:57 AM
Quote from: layzieyez on January 29, 2023, 08:08:33 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cn-O5oASpxG/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Thanks. Glad he did it in grams, like a proper weenie.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on January 29, 2023, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on January 24, 2023, 12:44:01 PM
Quote from: Xen on January 24, 2023, 10:38:04 AM
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Carbon fiber plates (appear to be a one off for funsies)

https://www.instagram.com/p/CnyMolmLQQh/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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I love it. Wanna see skaters go full weight weenie.

No. Nopesies. Nyet.  One of the best parts about skating is the relatively affordable, dirt simple, universally compatible gear. I dabble in mtb and hiking gorpery and the weight wienerdom and proprietary bs is insufferable. I mean, part of me wants to see it, but big picture me knows an over emotional attachment to quantifiable stats and crushes on expensive materials is for old dudes that spend way more time dorking out than actively participating.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on January 29, 2023, 10:01:29 AM
Quote from: beandemon on January 29, 2023, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on January 24, 2023, 12:44:01 PM
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Quote from: Xen on January 24, 2023, 10:38:04 AM
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Carbon fiber plates (appear to be a one off for funsies)

https://www.instagram.com/p/CnyMolmLQQh/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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I love it. Wanna see skaters go full weight weenie.
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No. Nopesies. Nyet.  One of the best parts about skating is the relatively affordable, dirt simple, universally compatible gear. I dabble in mtb and hiking gorpery and the weight wienerdom and proprietary bs is insufferable. I mean, part of me wants to see it, but big picture me knows an over emotional attachment to quantifiable stats and crushes on expensive materials is for old dudes that spend way more time dorking out than actively participating.

Yeah man I just think it’ll be funny
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jacob DeGrosso on January 29, 2023, 10:13:14 AM

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old dudes that spend way more time dorking out than actively participating.
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Is this too long for a username?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Bill Salt on January 29, 2023, 10:16:43 AM
I ride Indys Titanium 144 standard cyllinder bushings but I am a bit disapointed by the quality of the whole thing.
The pivot cup are lose and the hanger aren't locked like before...and might get back to standards
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on January 29, 2023, 07:16:03 PM
Anyone rode the Indy Mid Forged Hollow? The lower height (50.5mm) sounds interesting, but their implementation of the IKP has been poor.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: beandemon on January 29, 2023, 07:45:39 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on January 29, 2023, 10:01:29 AM
Quote from: beandemon on January 29, 2023, 09:59:49 AM
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Quote from: manysnakes on January 24, 2023, 12:44:01 PM
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Quote from: Xen on January 24, 2023, 10:38:04 AM
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Carbon fiber plates (appear to be a one off for funsies)

https://www.instagram.com/p/CnyMolmLQQh/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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I love it. Wanna see skaters go full weight weenie.
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No. Nopesies. Nyet.  One of the best parts about skating is the relatively affordable, dirt simple, universally compatible gear. I dabble in mtb and hiking gorpery and the weight wienerdom and proprietary bs is insufferable. I mean, part of me wants to see it, but big picture me knows an over emotional attachment to quantifiable stats and crushes on expensive materials is for old dudes that spend way more time dorking out than actively participating.
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Yeah man I just think it’ll be funny

I can dig it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: intendedreceivers on January 29, 2023, 10:57:59 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on January 29, 2023, 07:16:03 PM
Anyone rode the Indy Mid Forged Hollow? The lower height (50.5mm) sounds interesting, but their implementation of the IKP has been poor.

I didn’t feel like dealing with the IKP, so I put that on a cruiser where it won’t take as much abuse and I just put the 144 Mid hanger on the regular forged plate. 52-53mm is about the max you can go before the wheelbite gets annoying.

I like the trucks, though. Not the lightest lows out there, but they’re solid and more stable than the tall Indys. Less surfy, more nimble. I like ’em for skating little ledges and mini ramps. Feel a bit out of their element at a big concrete park, but I’d give em a try if you like lower trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on January 29, 2023, 11:14:55 PM
Quote from: intendedreceivers on January 29, 2023, 10:57:59 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on January 29, 2023, 07:16:03 PM
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Anyone rode the Indy Mid Forged Hollow? The lower height (50.5mm) sounds interesting, but their implementation of the IKP has been poor.
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I didn’t feel like dealing with the IKP, so I put that on a cruiser where it won’t take as much abuse and I just put the 144 Mid hanger on the regular forged plate. 52-53mm is about the max you can go before the wheelbite gets annoying.

I like the trucks, though. Not the lightest lows out there, but they’re solid and more stable than the tall Indys. Less surfy, more nimble. I like ’em for skating little ledges and mini ramps. Feel a bit out of their element at a big concrete park, but I’d give em a try if you like lower trucks.

Mixing hangers and baseplates, such an obvious answer! But that means getting 2 pairs of trucks which I'm not so hot on.

Still a good work around until Venture can figure out their LO at 5.6 and up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on January 30, 2023, 03:35:43 AM
Quote from: intendedreceivers on January 29, 2023, 10:57:59 PM
Quote from: rocklobster on January 29, 2023, 07:16:03 PM
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Anyone rode the Indy Mid Forged Hollow? The lower height (50.5mm) sounds interesting, but their implementation of the IKP has been poor.
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I didn’t feel like dealing with the IKP, so I put that on a cruiser where it won’t take as much abuse and I just put the 144 Mid hanger on the regular forged plate. 52-53mm is about the max you can go before the wheelbite gets annoying.

I like the trucks, though. Not the lightest lows out there, but they’re solid and more stable than the tall Indys. Less surfy, more nimble. I like ’em for skating little ledges and mini ramps. Feel a bit out of their element at a big concrete park, but I’d give em a try if you like lower trucks.

May I ask which height you got with that combination?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 30, 2023, 06:34:18 AM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on January 30, 2023, 03:35:43 AM
Quote from: intendedreceivers on January 29, 2023, 10:57:59 PM
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Quote from: rocklobster on January 29, 2023, 07:16:03 PM
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Anyone rode the Indy Mid Forged Hollow? The lower height (50.5mm) sounds interesting, but their implementation of the IKP has been poor.
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I didn’t feel like dealing with the IKP, so I put that on a cruiser where it won’t take as much abuse and I just put the 144 Mid hanger on the regular forged plate. 52-53mm is about the max you can go before the wheelbite gets annoying.

I like the trucks, though. Not the lightest lows out there, but they’re solid and more stable than the tall Indys. Less surfy, more nimble. I like ’em for skating little ledges and mini ramps. Feel a bit out of their element at a big concrete park, but I’d give em a try if you like lower trucks.
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May I ask which height you got with that combination?

forged mids are 50.5mm
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ambiguousclarity on February 09, 2023, 02:57:07 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on December 10, 2022, 07:56:00 AM
How big are y'all riding 8-8.125? I had an 8" Polar I liked with a 14.25WB and 139s, but eventually went back up to 144 and it got stolen from my car in my parking garage. These days I'm on 8.25-8.38 mostly with 14.38 and honestly not sure I could feasibly go down below that and lose pop, but I do wonder. I'm 6 foot 3 with a size 10
I’m 6 foot, 72-5kg and have size 13 feet. Still switching between 8.125s and 8.5s. Once I’m through my stock of decks, I’ll be sticking with 8.125 or 8.25 as long as the decks don’t taper too much.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on February 10, 2023, 04:10:43 AM
Quote from: ambiguousclarity on February 09, 2023, 02:57:07 AM
Quote from: LebowskisRug on December 10, 2022, 07:56:00 AM
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How big are y'all riding 8-8.125? I had an 8" Polar I liked with a 14.25WB and 139s, but eventually went back up to 144 and it got stolen from my car in my parking garage. These days I'm on 8.25-8.38 mostly with 14.38 and honestly not sure I could feasibly go down below that and lose pop, but I do wonder. I'm 6 foot 3 with a size 10
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I’m 6 foot, 72-5kg and have size 13 feet. Still switching between 8.125s and 8.5s. Once I’m through my stock of decks, I’ll be sticking with 8.125 or 8.25 as long as the decks don’t taper too much.

5’11” size 11 shoe 8.12-8.25
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on February 10, 2023, 07:26:50 AM
Quote from: Bill Salt on January 29, 2023, 10:16:43 AM
I ride Indys Titanium 144 standard cyllinder bushings but I am a bit disapointed by the quality of the whole thing.
The pivot cup are lose and the hanger aren't locked like before...and might get back to standards

The pivot cups just kinda get blown out like that in indys. get riptides.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OhioGuy on February 13, 2023, 10:27:04 AM
TGM has some 159 Indy Hollows for $42, the same pair on my main setup. I’m tempted to buy them and put them on another setup, but that feels kinda weird, essentially having two identical setups. Have any of y’all ever done that?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Easy Slider on February 13, 2023, 10:31:21 AM
Quote from: OhioGuy on February 13, 2023, 10:27:04 AM
TGM has some 159 Indy Hollows for $42, the same pair on my main setup. I’m tempted to buy them and put them on another setup, but that feels kinda weird, essentially having two identical setups. Have any of y’all ever done that?

Not identical but I have one 8.5 twin with 149 forged hollows and 52mm Spit classics I use for curbs only due to the broader axle and an 8.38 twin with 144 forged hollows and 52 mm Spit classics I use for the rest, in particular flips because it's slightly smaller and ever so slightly magic carpets. I did not plan this it just so happened I got a good deal on the trucks and wheels on a sale and then one lead to another.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on February 13, 2023, 10:34:00 AM
Quote from: OhioGuy on February 13, 2023, 10:27:04 AM
TGM has some 159 Indy Hollows for $42, the same pair on my main setup. I’m tempted to buy them and put them on another setup, but that feels kinda weird, essentially having two identical setups. Have any of y’all ever done that?

I haven't, but I've considered it.   I really like SPF wheels at the park I go to most.  They are noticeably faster than F4 101s or 99s, and a bigger difference to X 97 and Dragons.   But SPF suck everywhere else.    I end up having different boards set up with different wheels, but then I'm skating a different deck shape (and often size, and sometimes brand of trucks).   Having a mostly same setup (deck and trucks), and differing the wheels would probably be best for my skating.  Seems like an SPF setup and an X 97 would cover almost everything I skate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OhioGuy on February 13, 2023, 10:36:09 AM
Thanks for the quick replies. Think I’ll just stick with what I have. I do have some 149s too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on February 13, 2023, 10:36:18 AM
If you (as so many of us do) have one setup with 144s and another with 139s or 149s, you're basically already doing this. Convincing yourself you need an 8.25" and an 8.5" is the same shit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OhioGuy on February 13, 2023, 10:44:25 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on February 13, 2023, 10:36:18 AM
If you (as so many of us do) have one setup with 144s and another with 139s or 149s, you're basically already doing this. Convincing yourself you need an 8.25" and an 8.5" is the same shit.
My 8.5 setup has 159 Hollows and  53mm spitfire F4 tablets. The other is an 8.25 VX twintail with 149s and 55mm Spitfire F4 classics. They actually feel different… I think 🥲
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FrenchSkater on February 13, 2023, 11:46:42 AM
Does 8.125 with thunder 148 work well for someone like me who does a lot of flat ? I have already tried the 147 and I do not like the way they are very "tight" and low.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Richard Skidder on February 13, 2023, 11:50:45 AM
My current setup is 8.125 with 148 lights and for me it flips great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 13, 2023, 03:30:45 PM
I’d consider getting a cast baseplate ie. team and maybe some conical bushings to get some turn on….

Other alternatives, Venture high is a great truck and ole faithful….Indy’s…
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 13, 2023, 04:15:39 PM
Quote from: OhioGuy on February 13, 2023, 10:27:04 AM
TGM has some 159 Indy Hollows for $42, the same pair on my main setup. I’m tempted to buy them and put them on another setup, but that feels kinda weird, essentially having two identical setups. Have any of y’all ever done that?


Some people find no end to troubles with having more than one board and I can easily understand why.

I have maybe too many setups of the same stuff, usually just with different wheels, some 99, some 97, some softer, etc.

This is more so because I have different places I skate, so can leave boards in those places, but they do still wear differently, even having what started as identical setups, for the most part.

I like to have this sort of setup, but it can make some things weird or more difficult if you get too used to one board and then another just doesn't feel quite the same for whatever reason.  Not to say I like the challenge, but it is way easier than swapping wheels or hangers or whatever out every other session.

That's my thoughts on it anyway.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 14, 2023, 02:01:22 PM
Quote from: FrenchSkater on February 13, 2023, 11:46:42 AM
Does 8.125 with thunder 148 work well for someone like me who does a lot of flat ? I have already tried the 147 and I do not like the way they are very "tight" and low.

Yes, great combination. The 144s will push your wheels out to the edge of the board while giving you a bit more stability and grind room.

Provided your 8.125" truly is and not an 8"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OhioGuy on February 14, 2023, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on February 13, 2023, 04:15:39 PM
Quote from: OhioGuy on February 13, 2023, 10:27:04 AM
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TGM has some 159 Indy Hollows for $42, the same pair on my main setup. I’m tempted to buy them and put them on another setup, but that feels kinda weird, essentially having two identical setups. Have any of y’all ever done that?
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Some people find no end to troubles with having more than one board and I can easily understand why.

I have maybe too many setups of the same stuff, usually just with different wheels, some 99, some 97, some softer, etc.

This is more so because I have different places I skate, so can leave boards in those places, but they do still wear differently, even having what started as identical setups, for the most part.

I like to have this sort of setup, but it can make some things weird or more difficult if you get too used to one board and then another just doesn't feel quite the same for whatever reason.  Not to say I like the challenge, but it is way easier than swapping wheels or hangers or whatever out every other session.

That's my thoughts on it anyway.
Yeah I talked myself out of it. Not sure why, but my madness has been in overdrive over the last few days. Like I'm just looking for an excuse to buy something for that needed dopamine hit. I've chilled out now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on February 14, 2023, 07:42:40 PM
Quote from: OhioGuy on February 14, 2023, 07:00:47 PM
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TGM has some 159 Indy Hollows for $42, the same pair on my main setup. I’m tempted to buy them and put them on another setup, but that feels kinda weird, essentially having two identical setups. Have any of y’all ever done that?
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Some people find no end to troubles with having more than one board and I can easily understand why.

I have maybe too many setups of the same stuff, usually just with different wheels, some 99, some 97, some softer, etc.

This is more so because I have different places I skate, so can leave boards in those places, but they do still wear differently, even having what started as identical setups, for the most part.

I like to have this sort of setup, but it can make some things weird or more difficult if you get too used to one board and then another just doesn't feel quite the same for whatever reason.  Not to say I like the challenge, but it is way easier than swapping wheels or hangers or whatever out every other session.

That's my thoughts on it anyway.
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Yeah I talked myself out of it. Not sure why, but my madness has been in overdrive over the last few days. Like I'm just looking for an excuse to buy something for that needed dopamine hit. I've chilled out now.

Let it sit in the cart for a while before pulling the trigger so you don't buy on impulse.

But if you must then wait for the Skate Shop Day sales.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Kaydubbb on February 15, 2023, 05:32:19 PM
What trucks are most similar to silver m class? But with bigger axle width options?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on February 15, 2023, 05:36:36 PM
Quote from: Kaydubbb on February 15, 2023, 05:32:19 PM
What trucks are most similar to silver m class? But with bigger axle width options?

Ace AF1 low. They go up to 8.75

Or mini logo
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: scab on February 16, 2023, 02:29:19 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on February 15, 2023, 05:36:36 PM
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What trucks are most similar to silver m class? But with bigger axle width options?
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Ace AF1 low. They go up to 8.75

Or mini logo

I'd say it depends on which characteristics you're looking for exactly.

- Ventures are closest in turn and stability, but the 6.1s (8.75 axle) are high trucks (cast baseplates are ~53.1mm high, forged ~51.8mm).

- AF1 lows are only 49mm high, but have a much surfier turn and less stability.

- Thunders are in between Ventures and Aces both in terms of turn and stability and in height (team baseplates on the 151s are 52mm high, forged 51mm). They also come in even bigger axle withs if 8.75 isn't big enough for you.

I'd go with Ventures if you don't mind the extra height, but you can't go wrong with either truck.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on February 16, 2023, 04:58:06 AM
Quote from: scab on February 16, 2023, 02:29:19 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on February 15, 2023, 05:36:36 PM
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What trucks are most similar to silver m class? But with bigger axle width options?
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Ace AF1 low. They go up to 8.75

Or mini logo
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I'd say it depends on which characteristics you're looking for exactly.

- Ventures are closest in turn and stability, but the 6.1s (8.75 axle) are high trucks (cast baseplates are ~53.1mm high, forged ~51.8mm).

- AF1 lows are only 49mm high, but have a much surfier turn and less stability.

- Thunders are in between Ventures and Aces both in terms of turn and stability and in height (team baseplates on the 151s are 52mm high, forged 51mm). They also come in even bigger axle withs if 8.75 isn't big enough for you.

I'd go with Ventures if you don't mind the extra height, but you can't go wrong with either truck.

Agree about turn and stability, but I think the silver trucks had a really short wheelbase. So ventures might throw him off.
I can't remember the actual height of the silver trucks, just that they're low, with zero kingpin clearance
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: scab on February 16, 2023, 05:19:40 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on February 16, 2023, 04:58:06 AM
Quote from: scab on February 16, 2023, 02:29:19 AM
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Quote from: goodatmeth on February 15, 2023, 05:36:36 PM
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Quote from: Kaydubbb on February 15, 2023, 05:32:19 PM
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What trucks are most similar to silver m class? But with bigger axle width options?
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Ace AF1 low. They go up to 8.75

Or mini logo
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I'd say it depends on which characteristics you're looking for exactly.

- Ventures are closest in turn and stability, but the 6.1s (8.75 axle) are high trucks (cast baseplates are ~53.1mm high, forged ~51.8mm).

- AF1 lows are only 49mm high, but have a much surfier turn and less stability.

- Thunders are in between Ventures and Aces both in terms of turn and stability and in height (team baseplates on the 151s are 52mm high, forged 51mm). They also come in even bigger axle withs if 8.75 isn't big enough for you.

I'd go with Ventures if you don't mind the extra height, but you can't go wrong with either truck.
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Agree about turn and stability, but I think the silver trucks had a really short wheelbase. So ventures might throw him off.
I can't remember the actual height of the silver trucks, just that they're low, with zero kingpin clearance

Good point. I've got some lying around and just measured, Ventures extend the wheelbase ~3,3", Silvers just ~2.8". That extra half inch is probably noticeable.

I thought the Silvers were lower, but they're ~51,8mm high, so pretty much exactly the height of forged Ventures or team Thunders.

Goes to show there's no real close comparison to Silvers. I know a lot of people hate on them quite hard, but I think they're a perfectly valid truck if you prize stability above all else.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: KookTheElder on February 16, 2023, 05:53:45 AM
I’ve come to like the geo on the M-class silvers, wheelbase and ride height feel closest to thunders but the turn is super stable and linear like ventures. Compared to ventures they grind like butter…trucks are more akin to ventures/thunders than ACE/mini logo/royals which are definitely less stable than silvers, I can’t front foot steer my silvers the same way I can minilogos…
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rawbertson. on February 16, 2023, 07:11:17 AM
Re-arranged my wheels and now everything makes more sense kinda. i have plans for stuff when it gets too beat up but i am happy with where everything is now

3 flip board:
8" Isle Paul Shier / Venture 5.2 Standard / Bones STF 103a (50mm) / throwaway bearings

Tryhard / Main Normal Board
8.5"x14wb" Anti Hero / Indy Titanium / Bones STF 103a (50mm) / Modus Bearings

Monster Truck (filming + bad ground)
8.75" Anti hero Blue Meanie shape / Indy Forged Hollows / OJ 95a 58mm / Bronson G3

Favorite Setup
9.125" Franky Primitive egg / Ace 60 / Spitfire F4 99a 54mm / Bones Super Swiss


I am getting kind of old so i dont do a lot of flip tricks anymore. Just a few per session. Sometimes I feel like working on new flip tricks though and 8" is the size I rode for many years. So that setup just came about from just having old stuff laying around.

I had 58mm wheels on the Egg board for awhile because I was skating at a very slippery indoor. But now winter is basically over I have switched it over to 54mm F4s and it feels a lot better. I am not wheelbiting at all and it feels like I have even more turning too.

I had the F4s on my "tryhard" setup before. I was riding really big wheels for a long time on 8". I was even riding those 58mm on an 8" for a short time! that was really goofy. 56mm was probably my normal size, so I thought going down to 54mm would be good. I was skating well enough on that too, but whne i went down to these really tiny 50mm wheels it feels perfect. I am on those high ass indys so it just brings it down nice and low to the height i like. turning feels a lot better too. i like to do curb combos on this board a lot too so having the most slick tiny wheels possible is pretty ideal. i think the only thing id change is the shape to radials probably for this board next time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 16, 2023, 08:32:48 AM
You can three flip that Frankie egg. I know you can.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on February 16, 2023, 02:25:54 PM
@Daewons front truck post here for trucks. Your topic was redundant.
Quote from: Daewons front truck on February 15, 2023, 09:04:39 PM
DISCLAIMER: this is NOTa complete list of all truck brands, however, I will be covering most of the big brands in the industry. I will be covering all the trucks that I have experience with in my 20+ years of skateboarding. I will not be giving an opinion on anything that I haven't personally had and used in my lifetime that includes Destructo, the only large company I have no experience with. However, this post is just that, an opinion. Please note that everyone has different tastes and needs when it comes to purchasing a pair of trucks. You may hate something I love and vise versa. I strongly suggest  everyone to  try a bunch of different trucks, who knows you may happen to run across your goldilocks truck when exploring the different possibilities. I tried to make sure the measurements mentioned below are correct, but if I  got something wrong  I apologize. I hope this helps and if you like it and want to see a wheel or bearing guide let me know and I'd be happy to accommodate. Thanks, AJ


INDEPENDENT ]--independent is definitely the most popular brand in skateboarding and there is a reason why. They are really good, no matter what type skating you might do. On one of my set-ups I have a pair of Indy hallows and they might be the favorite trucks I have ever had. Independent is going nowhere any time soon, the skatability on all terrains make it a happy medium. I have never met anyone who said they despised Indy's. They come in High=55mm mid=53.5. the hallow Indy's are 7% lighter than standards, the FORGED hallows are 10% lighter. Indy brand bushings are available. Overall 9.2/10

             Pros: Durability, easy to break in, good stock bushings, responsive turning, great for transition and street.
             Cons: Heavier than most trucks, now made in China

              Sizes: 109=6.9 129=7.6 139=8.0 144=8.25 149=8.5 159=8.75 169=9.125 215=10.0

Theeve--never had them but I needed to say this.  there "titanium trucks" have 0% titanium in them and when confronted about it they said that "it's just a name".  That's false advertising and they lied to us so fuck them. Better change there brand name to "thief" instead.

Core-- core is actually the first trucks that I owned, they are a price point truck that came with a complete as a child. These trucks serve their purpose which is to provide a price point truck for beginners and people that are down on their luck. They grind just fine however but they feel like if you tried to jump anything bigger than a 5 set they would shatter into a billion pieces. Unfortunately I was unable to find much information on the specs of core trucks. Ovr 5.0/10


          Pros: cheap price, smooth grinding
          Cons: cheaply made, horrible bushings, awkward turning

Krux-- before I give my thoughts I need to mention that my experience with Krux is with the K4. I haven't tried the k5 I've heard people say they were better so I may try them eventually. Now that we got out of the way I have to say these were the worst turning trucks I've EVER had it felt like my only options were wheel bite or tightening the trucks so tight that I couldn't do any carving whatsoever. Another problem I experienced with these trucks was that I couldn't seem to get a groove in my truck. Almost  Every other company ive rode was able to get that nice groove with enough smith grinds and crooked.  With these I would get down to the axle without the benefit of having that nice pocket for my feeble grinds to chill in. One thing I do appreciate is the self-explanatory trucks sizes. Height=55mm Krux brand bushings are available. Ovr 2.2/10
       
           Pros: low kingpin
           Cons: too many

Tensor-- probably the company that causes biggest argument over trucks, people seem to either love them or hate them. Personally I really like them. They come in regular alloys, aluminum, and Mag Light. I seen to do my best manuals when I'm riding a set of Tensors. Bones or Do-Do bushings are a must for tensor alloys. Height=53mm. OVR 7.7/10

          Pros: lightweight, somewhat cheaper than other brands, many different designs, ATG. Smoothest grind.
          Cons: mediocre stock bushings, squeaky pivot cups (easy fix, cut small pieces of wax into pivot cup and you're golden.)

          Size chart: 4.25=6.9, 4.75=7.3, 5.0=7.625, 5.25=8.0, 5.5=8.25, 5.75=8.5

Thunder-- one of the most popular brands in the industry, thunder makes a good all around truck no matter what you're skating. They are a very light truck which is not my personal cup of tea and they sit low to the ground for my taste. In the mid 2000s thunders would be the only truck I consistently bought. Whether you skate transition or street thunders will perform no matter the occasion. Height=52.3 for highs, Regs=49.78. thunder brand bushings are available. Thunder has team editions, lights, super lights, and titanium. Ovr 9.2/10

          Size Chart: 143=7.125, 145=7.62, 147=8.0, 148=8.25, 149=8.5, 151=8.75

Royal-- I will keep this one a bit shorter because my experience with the mid 2000s royals is not the same as the newer ones. The old versions kingpin broke on me after 3 mild sessions, that's never happened to me before. BS bluntslide on a curb caused it of all things. I had no complaints with the turning or grinding of the old royals before it happened. I have only limited experience with the new royals and I will just say they seem like a better quality then the old version. Was not a fan  of the bushings on the new royals. Hallows, and DLK are now offered OVR 5.2/10

          Size chart: 127=7.5, 139=8.0, 144=8.25, 149=8.5, 159=8.75


Bullet-- not too much to say, pretty much the same experience with these as with the core trucks. Cheap, price point trucks that are ok. Height=51.5mm  OVR 5.0/10

          Size Chart: 110=6.9, 131=7.6, 140=8.0, 150=8.5.

Venture -- venture is a solid overall truck. Venture is another one of those loved companies that have stood the test of time. Venture makes a super responsive truck that grinds smoothly. If you skate really loose trucks you might want to purchase the venture "loose trucks conversion kit" because it's really difficult to get these super loose. Venture is sometimes seen as a street skaters truck but it holds its own in transition too! Venture bushings are available, but, they are under the name "deluxe bushings". Height=53.5mm for "high trucks", low=48.3mm. OVR 8.6/10

          Pros: durable, responsive, natural "pinch".
          Cons: speed wobbles, hard to loosen,  long break in period

          Size Chart: 5.0=7.62, 5.2=8.0, 5.6=8.25, 5.8=8.5, 6.1=8.75

Ace-- ace trucks by far have the most carvey feel to them, loose ace trucks truly feels like sidewalk surfing. These trucks are fantastic for transition but also great in the streets. I love the controlled, smooth grind Ace provides and they are great for slappys. Ace trucks come in two different models, the AF-1 and classic. A weird quirk with these are that you can only switch in ace brand or Krux bushings, so stay away from those bones bushings with these, it could potentially lead to your truck not working as it should. AF hallows now exist. AF-1 height=53mm, classic=52mm  OVR 8.6/10

           Pros: super carvey, controlled grind, great in cruisers
           Cons: bad bushings, difficult to tighten

           AF-1 size chart- 22=7.75, 33=8.0, 44=8.25, 55=8.5, 60=8.75, 66=9.0, 77=9.5, 81=10.0
           Classic size chart: 00=6.5, 11=7.0, 22=7.6, 33=8.0, 44=8.35, 55=9.0, 66=9.35

Grind King-- Grind King has made a come back of sorts and I couldn't be happier, grind King will always have a special place in my heart because the first trucks I ever remember seeing at a skate shop was the velvet grind kings. The new trucks they make are called " Disrupter" and they are not bad at all, very smooth and responsive truck, I love the DLK because it makes smith grinds a dream. Height=53mm OVR 8.2/10

          Size Chart: 5.0=7.62, 5.5=8.06, 6.0=8.26
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on February 16, 2023, 05:52:22 PM
Definitely did not need to repost that
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on February 16, 2023, 07:08:21 PM
Quote from: logjammin on February 16, 2023, 05:52:22 PM
Definitely did not need to repost that
It’s easier than an explanation.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 16, 2023, 07:09:39 PM
Quote from: logjammin on February 16, 2023, 05:52:22 PM
Definitely did not need to repost that

Really. Did anyone ask?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on February 17, 2023, 05:57:40 AM
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Definitely did not need to repost that
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Really. Did anyone ask?

Uh...did you read it? Lol. No need to get snippy mister Xen.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rawbertson. on February 17, 2023, 08:28:32 AM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on February 16, 2023, 08:32:48 AM
You can three flip that Frankie egg. I know you can.

i did it with the 58s on, but it sure feels a lot easier with the 54s. it just feels like it was meant to be like this! Everything is just popping up so good now!

Thunder 151 would sit the same height as aces as well i believe at 53 mm. I am trying to get my setup as close to franky's as possible. I think I am really close now. I dont think he rocks hollows or anyting like that but its hard to tell. I have a really good picture of his setup i saved from his stories if anyone is interested.


I am not really understanding why anyone would ever want a truck larger than a 8.75" axle. My curbs here in small town canada are all into the grass and i tried my friend's 169s and they actually eat too mcuh of the curb and go into the grass, or even worse, the unwaxed / unlacquered dry side of the curb and just dig in completely :( i think those sizes of trucks are more meant for transition skating. Even when we waxed up both sides of the curb it felt very slow trying to grind a long distance because so much of the truck making contact with the curb. also, getting out of the grind felt really difficult bceause your wheels are now so locked in on each side so you have to really boost an ollie out which is pretty hard from that position.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on February 17, 2023, 08:35:17 AM
Quote from: rawbertson. on February 17, 2023, 08:28:32 AM
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You can three flip that Frankie egg. I know you can.
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I am not really understanding why anyone would ever want a truck larger than a 8.75" axle. My curbs here in small town canada are all into the grass and i tried my friend's 169s and they actually eat too mcuh of the curb and go into the grass, or even worse, the unwaxed / unlacquered dry side of the curb and just dig in completely :( i think those sizes of trucks are more meant for transition skating. Even when we waxed up both sides of the curb it felt very slow trying to grind a long distance because so much of the truck making contact with the curb. also, getting out of the grind felt really difficult bceause your wheels are now so locked in on each side so you have to really boost an ollie out which is pretty hard from that position.

Imo all this curb shit is a scam to sell a second, third, whatever complete to skaters who don’t need it. You need another skateboard entirely in order to grind a curb? GTFO
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rawbertson. on February 17, 2023, 08:48:29 AM
Well for me I never wanted a board that wasnt practical for other stuff. I think an egg shape actually is pretty practical if you think about it because as someone who skated 8" board for a long time, it is much easier for me to get used to the kicks as they basically are the same thing you would have on a board that size. skating a 9" but then you have a fat middle so you dont drag so mcuh on your landings. tucked in wheel base to give it a good spin geometry on the shoveit. and then its nice and wide so you can have bigger trucks on it which allows you to have a lot better turning.

riding an 8" truck feels so tic-tacky to me now.

i think the feeling of making big turns in itself is actually worth experiencing. i also went to bigger boards to actually take skating less seriously. but we all love to land a boosted flip trick sometimes too. i dont think its a complete scam. i put mad hours on all these boards, pretty stupid amounts before i move on to the next one. probably put 100 hours on each board at least and probably more on the trucks, and that is a good return on investment.

but yeah i never buy anything specific to be a "curb" board - i do think that is a bit silly. you can hit curbs with the biggest piece of crap board, any shape or size - thats why i like it so much.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on February 17, 2023, 11:24:49 AM
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You can three flip that Frankie egg. I know you can.
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I am not really understanding why anyone would ever want a truck larger than a 8.75" axle. My curbs here in small town canada are all into the grass and i tried my friend's 169s and they actually eat too mcuh of the curb and go into the grass, or even worse, the unwaxed / unlacquered dry side of the curb and just dig in completely :( i think those sizes of trucks are more meant for transition skating. Even when we waxed up both sides of the curb it felt very slow trying to grind a long distance because so much of the truck making contact with the curb. also, getting out of the grind felt really difficult bceause your wheels are now so locked in on each side so you have to really boost an ollie out which is pretty hard from that position.
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Imo all this curb shit is a scam to sell a second, third, whatever complete to skaters who don’t need it. You need another skateboard entirely in order to grind a curb? GTFO

I’m a very broken record, but skate trends are kinda silly, and often fairly ‘counterproductive’ (if the intent of playing with a child’s toy was to ‘produce results’ like tricks landed, or whatever).
With that awkward windup…the riding of large setups can be fun, but as an older person I haven’t found it at all helpful.  Fun at times. But…yeah. Puleo out there in the crust on 5.0 lo’s and 50s. Pretty sure I don’t need a bespoke 9” board to curb dance.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on February 17, 2023, 11:34:26 AM
To be clear, I have no problem with whatever skateboard someone wants to ride. I don’t think everyone needs an 8.25” popsicle and clearly most experienced skaters can get used to anything functional and competently made. I more take umbrage with the concept of an entirely separate skateboard, one substantially different than your regular board, which one will use for the unique activity of curb skating, something most of us grew up doing on the single skateboard we owned at the time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on February 17, 2023, 11:47:41 AM
Quote from: manysnakes on February 17, 2023, 11:34:26 AM
To be clear, I have no problem with whatever skateboard someone wants to ride. I don’t think everyone needs an 8.25” popsicle and clearly most experienced skaters can get used to anything functional and competently made. I more take umbrage with the concept of an entirely separate skateboard, one substantially different than your regular board, which one will use for the unique activity of curb skating, something most of us grew up doing on the single skateboard we owned at the time.

Oh I’ll judge the shit out of other peoples kit. Because I’m a small, mean, petty, curmudgeon.

But your point is well put. And I’ve definitely gone down the rabbit hole of certain trick specific setups.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: metsuri on February 20, 2023, 12:21:28 AM
I've got a truck dilemma: last summer I bought a new complete, old school shape with wider Thunders. Over time, the board got warped. I recently got a new deck but the trucks are still fucked, most likely because of the warped deck. They're crooked and turn more to one side. I switched out new bushings and that helped a bit but the problem's still there. These trucks are still kind of new, that's why this is surprising to me.

What do I have to do, switch out pivot cups? I can't recall ever doing that in my over 30 yers of skating :-D
Thanks for any tips.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on February 20, 2023, 01:13:15 AM
if the old ones are shit just use your hanger, the axel w/o a nut is great for that. it will fuck up good cups though most times. if you want to get good cups out w/o fucking them up, compressed air will blow them out or needle nose inside the cups and then spread wide and pulled works.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: metsuri on February 20, 2023, 01:25:35 AM
Quote from: BL0B on February 20, 2023, 01:13:15 AM
if the old ones are shit just use your hanger, the axel w/o a nut is great for that. it will fuck up good cups though most times. if you want to get good cups out w/o fucking them up, compressed air will blow them out or needle nose inside the cups and then spread wide and pulled works.

Thanks, I think I was a bit unclear: I meant that do I have to switch out pivot cups to get rid of this problem, or is there something else that would help?

Bu thank you for the practical tip, I hadn't thought that far ahead yet :-D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on February 20, 2023, 01:43:43 AM
ha, it's bedtime here. yeah all that's left is pivots, pivots are usually the culprit. you might have noticed shit pivots though when you were swapping bushings?


could even be bent hangers? that would be pretty rare.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on February 20, 2023, 05:22:04 AM
Quote from: metsuri on February 20, 2023, 12:21:28 AM
I've got a truck dilemma: last summer I bought a new complete, old school shape with wider Thunders. Over time, the board got warped. I recently got a new deck but the trucks are still fucked, most likely because of the warped deck. They're crooked and turn more to one side. I switched out new bushings and that helped a bit but the problem's still there. These trucks are still kind of new, that's why this is surprising to me.

What do I have to do, switch out pivot cups? I can't recall ever doing that in my over 30 yers of skating :-D
Thanks for any tips.

Your weight/truck tightness could play a role in this too.

If you are heavier and your bushings are too soft for your weight you may be compressing them much more on your dominant side, causing them to lean that way.

I've also seen this happen to people that don't put all four hardware bolts in each truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: metsuri on February 20, 2023, 06:22:33 AM
Quote from: IpathCats on February 20, 2023, 05:22:04 AM
Quote from: metsuri on February 20, 2023, 12:21:28 AM
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I've got a truck dilemma: last summer I bought a new complete, old school shape with wider Thunders. Over time, the board got warped. I recently got a new deck but the trucks are still fucked, most likely because of the warped deck. They're crooked and turn more to one side. I switched out new bushings and that helped a bit but the problem's still there. These trucks are still kind of new, that's why this is surprising to me.

What do I have to do, switch out pivot cups? I can't recall ever doing that in my over 30 yers of skating :-D
Thanks for any tips.
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Your weight/truck tightness could play a role in this too.

If you are heavier and your bushings are too soft for your weight you may be compressing them much more on your dominant side, causing them to lean that way.

I've also seen this happen to people that don't put all four hardware bolts in each truck.

I'm kind of light, about 67 kg, and I have all bolts in. I've heard that can happen with less bolts.

I think I'm going to change the pivot cups and see if that has an effect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Krooked antihero on February 20, 2023, 06:49:30 AM
Quote from: metsuri on February 20, 2023, 06:22:33 AM
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I've got a truck dilemma: last summer I bought a new complete, old school shape with wider Thunders. Over time, the board got warped. I recently got a new deck but the trucks are still fucked, most likely because of the warped deck. They're crooked and turn more to one side. I switched out new bushings and that helped a bit but the problem's still there. These trucks are still kind of new, that's why this is surprising to me.

What do I have to do, switch out pivot cups? I can't recall ever doing that in my over 30 yers of skating :-D
Thanks for any tips.
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Your weight/truck tightness could play a role in this too.

If you are heavier and your bushings are too soft for your weight you may be compressing them much more on your dominant side, causing them to lean that way.

I've also seen this happen to people that don't put all four hardware bolts in each truck.
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I'm kind of light, about 67 kg, and I have all bolts in. I've heard that can happen with less bolts.

I think I'm going to change the pivot cups and see if that has an effect.
Yeah that’ll do it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 20, 2023, 02:45:32 PM
Quote from: metsuri on February 20, 2023, 06:22:33 AM
Quote from: IpathCats on February 20, 2023, 05:22:04 AM
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I've got a truck dilemma: last summer I bought a new complete, old school shape with wider Thunders. Over time, the board got warped. I recently got a new deck but the trucks are still fucked, most likely because of the warped deck. They're crooked and turn more to one side. I switched out new bushings and that helped a bit but the problem's still there. These trucks are still kind of new, that's why this is surprising to me.

What do I have to do, switch out pivot cups? I can't recall ever doing that in my over 30 yers of skating :-D
Thanks for any tips.
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Your weight/truck tightness could play a role in this too.

If you are heavier and your bushings are too soft for your weight you may be compressing them much more on your dominant side, causing them to lean that way.

I've also seen this happen to people that don't put all four hardware bolts in each truck.
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I'm kind of light, about 67 kg, and I have all bolts in. I've heard that can happen with less bolts.

I think I'm going to change the pivot cups and see if that has an effect.


Do you need the trucks looser, or does everything feel too stiff?


Using wax to touch up the hanger nub and even running a bit of wax over the connecting surfaces of the bushings make everything way more manouverable, almost too much for some people, but it does work without having to change out anything.

I had done this a lot with old setups people brought in and it is amazing how much more the trucks react and turn, compared to when they had been stuck or sitting for a long time and not really responding when you lean from one side to the other.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: metsuri on February 20, 2023, 11:02:37 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on February 20, 2023, 02:45:32 PM
Quote from: metsuri on February 20, 2023, 06:22:33 AM
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I've got a truck dilemma: last summer I bought a new complete, old school shape with wider Thunders. Over time, the board got warped. I recently got a new deck but the trucks are still fucked, most likely because of the warped deck. They're crooked and turn more to one side. I switched out new bushings and that helped a bit but the problem's still there. These trucks are still kind of new, that's why this is surprising to me.

What do I have to do, switch out pivot cups? I can't recall ever doing that in my over 30 yers of skating :-D
Thanks for any tips.
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Your weight/truck tightness could play a role in this too.

If you are heavier and your bushings are too soft for your weight you may be compressing them much more on your dominant side, causing them to lean that way.

I've also seen this happen to people that don't put all four hardware bolts in each truck.
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I'm kind of light, about 67 kg, and I have all bolts in. I've heard that can happen with less bolts.

I think I'm going to change the pivot cups and see if that has an effect.
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Do you need the trucks looser, or does everything feel too stiff?


Using wax to touch up the hanger nub and even running a bit of wax over the connecting surfaces of the bushings make everything way more manouverable, almost too much for some people, but it does work without having to change out anything.

I had done this a lot with old setups people brought in and it is amazing how much more the trucks react and turn, compared to when they had been stuck or sitting for a long time and not really responding when you lean from one side to the other.

I'm kind of in between, but more on the loose side.

I've never tried this before, but I'll definitely give it a go. Way more accessible than trying to find Thunder pivot cups :-D

Thanks for all the tips!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 04, 2023, 07:23:12 PM
Quote from: metsuri on February 20, 2023, 11:02:37 PM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on February 20, 2023, 02:45:32 PM
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I've got a truck dilemma: last summer I bought a new complete, old school shape with wider Thunders. Over time, the board got warped. I recently got a new deck but the trucks are still fucked, most likely because of the warped deck. They're crooked and turn more to one side. I switched out new bushings and that helped a bit but the problem's still there. These trucks are still kind of new, that's why this is surprising to me.

What do I have to do, switch out pivot cups? I can't recall ever doing that in my over 30 yers of skating :-D
Thanks for any tips.
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Your weight/truck tightness could play a role in this too.

If you are heavier and your bushings are too soft for your weight you may be compressing them much more on your dominant side, causing them to lean that way.

I've also seen this happen to people that don't put all four hardware bolts in each truck.
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I'm kind of light, about 67 kg, and I have all bolts in. I've heard that can happen with less bolts.

I think I'm going to change the pivot cups and see if that has an effect.
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Do you need the trucks looser, or does everything feel too stiff?


Using wax to touch up the hanger nub and even running a bit of wax over the connecting surfaces of the bushings make everything way more manouverable, almost too much for some people, but it does work without having to change out anything.

I had done this a lot with old setups people brought in and it is amazing how much more the trucks react and turn, compared to when they had been stuck or sitting for a long time and not really responding when you lean from one side to the other.
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I'm kind of in between, but more on the loose side.

I've never tried this before, but I'll definitely give it a go. Way more accessible than trying to find Thunder pivot cups :-D

Thanks for all the tips!



How did that turn out for you?

Any good, bad or otherwise indifferent results?



I did the old wax and restore job to a few boards this week just gone and it was such a difference from how they were to how they are now.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rawbertson. on March 06, 2023, 11:05:39 AM
Do you guys feel like there is a certain truck that is more ideal for certain Width's ?
I have built up something in my mind like this;
7.5 - 8" Venture
8.25"-8.5" Thunder
8.5"-8.75" Ace
8.75"+ Indy

I dont know why but this seems to make the most sense in my mind. I dont think I like low trucks at all either, but I have to try them before I say for sure. I also havent skated Thunders in probably close to 20 years so I don't even really know what they are like other than trying a few people's boards here and there.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on March 06, 2023, 11:14:29 AM
Quote from: rawbertson. on March 06, 2023, 11:05:39 AM
Do you guys feel like there is a certain truck that is more ideal for certain Width's ?
I have built up something in my mind like this;
7.5 - 8" Venture
8.25"-8.5" Thunder
8.5"-8.75" Ace
8.75"+ Indy

I dont know why but this seems to make the most sense in my mind. I dont think I like low trucks at all either, but I have to try them before I say for sure. I also havent skated Thunders in probably close to 20 years so I don't even really know what they are like other than trying a few people's boards here and there.

Thunder on 8-8.375"  - because I'm trying to flip these
Indy 8.5-9" - because it's more of an all around board
Ace 9+ - because it's probably a bowl board and I need to reign in a long wheelbase.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rawbertson. on March 06, 2023, 11:15:52 AM
those all make sense ^

i prefer the Ace over the Indy's I suppose just cause they are a tiny bit lower for the "all around board" and indys more for the bowl barney board. thunder and venture seem fiarly interchangeable as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 07, 2023, 08:08:57 PM
Woah! Krux TM and riders tell you why Ace and Thunder are actually better... Shame they didn't get deeper into each trucks pros and cons but still a somewhat interesting video confirming what I already know. I'd rate Stage 4s No3 personally...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW-27zMqEkw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW-27zMqEkw)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 07, 2023, 09:11:08 PM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on March 07, 2023, 08:08:57 PM
Woah! Krux TM and riders tell you why Ace and Thunder are actually better... Shame they didn't get deeper into each trucks pros and cons but still a somewhat interesting video confirming what I already know. I'd rate Stage 4s No3 personally...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW-27zMqEkw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW-27zMqEkw)

Haha holy shit

I refuse to believe that this got approved by someone higher up at NHS because it's telling viewers that non NHS trucks are better than NHS trucks and that their own old design (Krux K4) is total shit.

Vanessa at 25:20

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...if I wasn't riding Krux, I would probably ride Ace.

How to get kicked off the team 101 :v

For anyone wondering, I only skimmed the video and kinda just skipped to the end, but it's basically them just turning and pushing around the park so don't expect anything super technical.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 07, 2023, 11:16:29 PM
I appreciate the honesty but what the hell was their goal in saying, "yeah our truck are OK but these other ones are way better....?"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rocklobster on March 08, 2023, 01:15:31 AM
Quote from: Frank and Fred on March 07, 2023, 11:16:29 PM
I appreciate the honesty but what the hell was their goal in saying, "yeah our truck are OK but these other ones are way better....?"

Their entire brand identity has been self-deprecating B-tier truck brand
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: backinaction on March 08, 2023, 09:11:16 AM
Maybe they are getting ready for a K6 redesign and are taking an honest look at everyone else's trucks and figuring out what they like / dislike about them.   

But ya, do that internally and don't post it to the internet that your riders like Thunder and Ace better than the truck they are paid to ride.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 08, 2023, 09:40:15 AM
I really wish someone would turn down the mics of people who are not on camera.

Also I've said it a dozen times but Krux should just do something like a modified Independent Stage 8. It's all the same company, it would seem to me to be a simple matter and then Krux could A) have a truck design which turns, B) be able to market a truck to the niche of dorks who want this truck reproduced.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 08, 2023, 09:40:29 AM
I’m interested in watching this, i think they are just offering honest information.  With trucks, so much of its preference and sometimes your first impressions aren’t fully complete.  I can make a pretty solid case on any of the major truck brands…..Krux isn’t one of them but I don’t fully discount them either…..
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on March 08, 2023, 01:31:58 PM
They really just published an ad for every truck except krux? Perfect
Also fuck vanessa for screaming into the mic all the time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 08, 2023, 01:34:24 PM
Quote from: goodatmeth on March 08, 2023, 01:31:58 PM
They really just published an ad for every truck except krux? Perfect
Also fuck vanessa for screaming into the mic all the time.

The screaming was awful and they didn't mix it down at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on March 08, 2023, 01:43:01 PM
Probably why it ended up on Alex's own YT and not Krux or NHS
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on March 08, 2023, 06:12:31 PM
Quote from: TwisT on March 08, 2023, 01:43:01 PM
Probably why it ended up on Alex's own YT and not Krux or NHS

Is Alex team manager or responsible for marketing? I remember a few years ago tweeting about not knowing what to do for the brand’s social media and it bummed me out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 08, 2023, 06:22:39 PM
Quote from: manysnakes on March 08, 2023, 09:40:15 AM
I really wish someone would turn down the mics of people who are not on camera.

Also I've said it a dozen times but Krux should just do something like a modified Independent Stage 8. It's all the same company, it would seem to me to be a simple matter and then Krux could A) have a truck design which turns, B) be able to market a truck to the niche of dorks who want this truck reproduced.

This is such a dope idea.
Just knock off the old geo, throw the dumb hole in the hanger, a sly wink and nudge, and keep it pushing.
I really like who they hook up. Kristin is sick.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 08, 2023, 06:23:41 PM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on March 08, 2023, 06:12:31 PM
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Probably why it ended up on Alex's own YT and not Krux or NHS
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Is Alex team manager or responsible for marketing? I remember a few years ago tweeting about not knowing what to do for the brand’s social media and it bummed me out.

Brand manager
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: modern life is war on March 14, 2023, 12:00:21 PM
anyone ever done anything totally insane like ride a 159 on the back and a 144 up front?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on March 14, 2023, 01:12:27 PM
Quote from: modern life is war on March 14, 2023, 12:00:21 PM
anyone ever done anything totally insane like ride a 159 on the back and a 144 up front?

Not that, but today I went out skating with a single setup with one venture truck and one ace truck (real 8.25 twin tail).
I wanted to know which baseplate slides the best on certain ledges. Ace won, and I actually got my best fs noseslides and bs tailslides so far.
Venture pop was a lot nicer though, so it was kind of perfect. A nice venture pop into a nice ace slide.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 14, 2023, 05:07:12 PM
Quote from: goodatmeth on March 08, 2023, 01:31:58 PM
They really just published an ad for every truck except krux? Perfect
Also fuck vanessa for screaming into the mic all the time.

Seriously, stop yelling ffs.

That’s a really weird video I mean stage 11s being super stable and hefty and durable…they’re switching their messaging if you look closely between stage 4 and stage 11, they’re using the durability and heft as a pro now for stage 11s instead of turn since stage 4 turn better…because they have to have some differentiating factor between them…

So, Ace and Thunder, can’t say I disagree.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: notinternetfamous on March 14, 2023, 05:24:08 PM
Quote from: modern life is war on March 14, 2023, 12:00:21 PM
anyone ever done anything totally insane like ride a 159 on the back and a 144 up front?
Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on July 28, 2020, 02:50:03 AM

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(https://i.postimg.cc/MpS7qFZT/20200728-052913-HDR-01.jpg)

Rockstar Energy Mayhem Fest 7.75
Navigator 8" (front) + Indy 215 (back)
Ricta Crystals 45mm 101a(front) + OJ Little Doodies (back)
Bones Reds
Paradox grip
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: modern life is war on March 14, 2023, 07:11:51 PM
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anyone ever done anything totally insane like ride a 159 on the back and a 144 up front?
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Quote from: Buttfart Rapedick on July 28, 2020, 02:50:03 AM
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(https://i.postimg.cc/MpS7qFZT/20200728-052913-HDR-01.jpg)

Rockstar Energy Mayhem Fest 7.75
Navigator 8" (front) + Indy 215 (back)
Ricta Crystals 45mm 101a(front) + OJ Little Doodies (back)
Bones Reds
Paradox grip
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That's fucken perverted
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 15, 2023, 02:52:48 AM
Quote from: modern life is war on March 14, 2023, 12:00:21 PM
anyone ever done anything totally insane like ride a 159 on the back and a 144 up front?

Okay this is a few years ago. Homie of me went to Titus, asked for new trucks and left the store in under 10 minutes. He came to the park super stoked on his new trucks. I was thinking, something looks weird. He had 149s in the front and 159s in the back. His Bs Flips were sick but yeah. ^^ Kinda weird, that skateshop employees sell two different sizes or don't know about those things.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chronic85 on March 15, 2023, 03:18:31 AM
Quote from: fs1/2cab on March 15, 2023, 02:52:48 AM
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anyone ever done anything totally insane like ride a 159 on the back and a 144 up front?
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Okay this is a few years ago. Homie of me went to Titus, asked for new trucks and left the store in under 10 minutes. He came to the park super stoked on his new trucks. I was thinking, something looks weird. He had 149s in the front and 159s in the back. His Bs Flips were sick but yeah. ^^ Kinda weird, that skateshop employees sell two different sizes or don't know about those things.

That's pretty standard for Titus. You can be really happy if they have two trucks the same size at all instore and you find an employee there who knows what trucks are.
Friend of mine wanted to buy Swiss Ceramics in their "hOuSe Of SkAteBoArDiNg" in Münster and they only got 7 bearings in the package. At least they offered him a "good price" :D
Worst cash grab clown shop totally disconnected from todays skateboarding scene (in Germany at least).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 15, 2023, 07:30:19 AM
Quote from: Chronic85 on March 15, 2023, 03:18:31 AM
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anyone ever done anything totally insane like ride a 159 on the back and a 144 up front?
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Okay this is a few years ago. Homie of me went to Titus, asked for new trucks and left the store in under 10 minutes. He came to the park super stoked on his new trucks. I was thinking, something looks weird. He had 149s in the front and 159s in the back. His Bs Flips were sick but yeah. ^^ Kinda weird, that skateshop employees sell two different sizes or don't know about those things.
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That's pretty standard for Titus. You can be really happy if they have two trucks the same size at all instore and you find an employee there who knows what trucks are.
Friend of mine wanted to buy Swiss Ceramics in their "hOuSe Of SkAteBoArDiNg" in Münster and they only got 7 bearings in the package. At least they offered him a "good price" :D
Worst cash grab clown shop totally disconnected from todays skateboarding scene (in Germany at least).


I have seen a few shops here in AU who didn't check their truck sizes, be it either for a kid in store who skated them anyway, or for online orders I had received over the years, more so a while ago and none in the last few years, but it did happen all too easily for some people in some places, most commonly Indy standard 144 and 149s.

You would think now that most big brands actually have the truck size number clearly shown on the hanger or other part of the truck, it can be foolproof, but there is always someone who doesn't even know trucks come in different sizes.


When I finished up at another shop that I used to work in the skate hardgoods department, the person in charge couldn't even grip a board, so yes things are changing for the worse in some places, but I feel like the smaller core skate shops are the ones who are really going to service people well, for the most part anyway.

There are always exceptions.

:)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Frank on March 16, 2023, 01:20:45 PM
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anyone ever done anything totally insane like ride a 159 on the back and a 144 up front?
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Okay this is a few years ago. Homie of me went to Titus, asked for new trucks and left the store in under 10 minutes. He came to the park super stoked on his new trucks. I was thinking, something looks weird. He had 149s in the front and 159s in the back. His Bs Flips were sick but yeah. ^^ Kinda weird, that skateshop employees sell two different sizes or don't know about those things.
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That's pretty standard for Titus. You can be really happy if they have two trucks the same size at all instore and you find an employee there who knows what trucks are.
Friend of mine wanted to buy Swiss Ceramics in their "hOuSe Of SkAteBoArDiNg" in Münster and they only got 7 bearings in the package. At least they offered him a "good price" :D
Worst cash grab clown shop totally disconnected from todays skateboarding scene (in Germany at least).

titus sucks, but those statements make me think you've been at one once and now overdramatize that incident and your impressions to dunk on it. fair enough, but there's plenty of "ok" titus stores, too. always depends on the city.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ok on March 16, 2023, 07:28:06 PM
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anyone ever done anything totally insane like ride a 159 on the back and a 144 up front?
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Okay this is a few years ago. Homie of me went to Titus, asked for new trucks and left the store in under 10 minutes. He came to the park super stoked on his new trucks. I was thinking, something looks weird. He had 149s in the front and 159s in the back. His Bs Flips were sick but yeah. ^^ Kinda weird, that skateshop employees sell two different sizes or don't know about those things.
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That's pretty standard for Titus. You can be really happy if they have two trucks the same size at all instore and you find an employee there who knows what trucks are.
Friend of mine wanted to buy Swiss Ceramics in their "hOuSe Of SkAteBoArDiNg" in Münster and they only got 7 bearings in the package. At least they offered him a "good price" :D
Worst cash grab clown shop totally disconnected from todays skateboarding scene (in Germany at least).
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titus sucks, but those statements make me think you've been at one once and now overdramatize that incident and your impressions to dunk on it. fair enough, but there's plenty of "ok" titus stores, too. always depends on the city.

How old is Titus?
I have some vague memory from probably a 411 from the mid to late 90s, of a tall, bald-headed, maybe 40-50 year old guy.  It sure if that was THE Titus. That and the Ramps from the ‘euro’ contests with Titus on them.
Skateboarding has some characters.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 16, 2023, 08:29:45 PM
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anyone ever done anything totally insane like ride a 159 on the back and a 144 up front?
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Okay this is a few years ago. Homie of me went to Titus, asked for new trucks and left the store in under 10 minutes. He came to the park super stoked on his new trucks. I was thinking, something looks weird. He had 149s in the front and 159s in the back. His Bs Flips were sick but yeah. ^^ Kinda weird, that skateshop employees sell two different sizes or don't know about those things.
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That's pretty standard for Titus. You can be really happy if they have two trucks the same size at all instore and you find an employee there who knows what trucks are.
Friend of mine wanted to buy Swiss Ceramics in their "hOuSe Of SkAteBoArDiNg" in Münster and they only got 7 bearings in the package. At least they offered him a "good price" :D
Worst cash grab clown shop totally disconnected from todays skateboarding scene (in Germany at least).
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titus sucks, but those statements make me think you've been at one once and now overdramatize that incident and your impressions to dunk on it. fair enough, but there's plenty of "ok" titus stores, too. always depends on the city.
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How old is Titus?
I have some vague memory from probably a 411 from the mid to late 90s, of a tall, bald-headed, maybe 40-50 year old guy.  It sure if that was THE Titus. That and the Ramps from the ‘euro’ contests with Titus on them.
Skateboarding has some characters.


From their site (down the bottom):


https://www.titus-shop.com/en/

TITUS – Your skateshop for over 45 years!
Skateboarding- everything for you in one place!
Skateboards, longboards, streetwear and skate shoes - since 1978, Titus has been providing beginners and professionals alike with the best skateboarding products in the business. The Titus name has stood for 100% skateboarding since day one and we’re proud of our heritage in the European skate community. We offer a diverse selection of high-quality products both online and in our shop locations found throughout Germany.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Easy Slider on March 16, 2023, 11:57:17 PM
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anyone ever done anything totally insane like ride a 159 on the back and a 144 up front?
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Okay this is a few years ago. Homie of me went to Titus, asked for new trucks and left the store in under 10 minutes. He came to the park super stoked on his new trucks. I was thinking, something looks weird. He had 149s in the front and 159s in the back. His Bs Flips were sick but yeah. ^^ Kinda weird, that skateshop employees sell two different sizes or don't know about those things.
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That's pretty standard for Titus. You can be really happy if they have two trucks the same size at all instore and you find an employee there who knows what trucks are.
Friend of mine wanted to buy Swiss Ceramics in their "hOuSe Of SkAteBoArDiNg" in Münster and they only got 7 bearings in the package. At least they offered him a "good price" :D
Worst cash grab clown shop totally disconnected from todays skateboarding scene (in Germany at least).
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titus sucks, but those statements make me think you've been at one once and now overdramatize that incident and your impressions to dunk on it. fair enough, but there's plenty of "ok" titus stores, too. always depends on the city.
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How old is Titus?
I have some vague memory from probably a 411 from the mid to late 90s, of a tall, bald-headed, maybe 40-50 year old guy.  It sure if that was THE Titus. That and the Ramps from the ‘euro’ contests with Titus on them.
Skateboarding has some characters.
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From their site (down the bottom):


https://www.titus-shop.com/en/

TITUS – Your skateshop for over 45 years!
Skateboarding- everything for you in one place!
Skateboards, longboards, streetwear and skate shoes - since 1978, Titus has been providing beginners and professionals alike with the best skateboarding products in the business. The Titus name has stood for 100% skateboarding since day one and we’re proud of our heritage in the European skate community. We offer a diverse selection of high-quality products both online and in our shop locations found throughout Germany.

Titus Eberhard Dittmann (* 8. Dezember 1948)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Chronic85 on March 17, 2023, 12:44:13 AM
Quote from: Frank on March 16, 2023, 01:20:45 PM
Quote from: Chronic85 on March 15, 2023, 03:18:31 AM
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anyone ever done anything totally insane like ride a 159 on the back and a 144 up front?
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Okay this is a few years ago. Homie of me went to Titus, asked for new trucks and left the store in under 10 minutes. He came to the park super stoked on his new trucks. I was thinking, something looks weird. He had 149s in the front and 159s in the back. His Bs Flips were sick but yeah. ^^ Kinda weird, that skateshop employees sell two different sizes or don't know about those things.
[close]

That's pretty standard for Titus. You can be really happy if they have two trucks the same size at all instore and you find an employee there who knows what trucks are.
Friend of mine wanted to buy Swiss Ceramics in their "hOuSe Of SkAteBoArDiNg" in Münster and they only got 7 bearings in the package. At least they offered him a "good price" :D
Worst cash grab clown shop totally disconnected from todays skateboarding scene (in Germany at least).
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titus sucks, but those statements make me think you've been at one once and now overdramatize that incident and your impressions to dunk on it. fair enough, but there's plenty of "ok" titus stores, too. always depends on the city.

Been there several times. Münster, Berlin and Hanover mostly.
The "ok shops" are franchise. That's why they're okay.
But if you write "Home of skateboarding" in capital letters on your main store front and you can barely get a full setup and a Spitfire shirt in there cause you ain't got shit in your shop then im not overdramatizing.
Titus is a relic of old times and they still haven't caught up.
But they still claim to be the driving force behind skateboarding and skateshops in Germany.
And that's just not true.
Even Skatedeluxe has managed to overtake Titus when it comes to keeping up with the times. And that is one horrible onlinecorposhitstore with false, thought up measurements on Decks etc.
So yes.
Titus sucks.

Anways back to topic i guess :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 28, 2023, 06:45:52 AM
Are Ace after market pivots any good?  Do they fit in most trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rawbertson. on March 28, 2023, 07:05:58 AM
I went to a shop called TX-Sports in Nurnburg whne I lived there. I thought it was solid enough. Anyone familiar with this shop + their impressions? They had this massive bsaement with like ridiculous amount of clearance shoes which was kinda cool.

Whne I went to Zurich, Switzerland. I went to this shoe store in the upper part of some building that had like ridiculous amounts of throw back shoes... like Osiris, Es, Adio, Emericas, Globe all from early 2000s. this was in 2013. I would try and find it again but it seems like Germany and Switzerland doesnt allow Street View.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on March 28, 2023, 06:58:45 PM
Quote from: j....soy..... on March 28, 2023, 06:45:52 AM
Are Ace after market pivots any good?  Do they fit in most trucks?

The AF1 cups are better in terms of being more of an actual urethane instead of a flexible plastic like the classic pivot cups. But they claim the same durometer as Riptide for those AF1 cups, and they definitely are more squishy and prone to ripping compared to Riptides. The AF1 aftermarkets are just easier to find at a local as no locals are carrying 'tides.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 28, 2023, 10:42:42 PM
Just need to round up an online purchase….thanks….

I actually have a longboard shop near by so riptides are pretty easy to get….
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on March 29, 2023, 12:18:12 AM
I'd say you're better off with riptides then. But Ace AF1 are better than your average stock pivot cup, yeah. They fit stage 11 and stage 4 hangers in them good, but not ace classics.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on March 30, 2023, 09:15:17 AM
FWIW I bought some newer Ace AF-1s early last year and the pivot cups and the divot in which they sit have been perfectly fine. No problems whatsoever. The bushings are getting blown out now, but the pivot cup works great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fernando the skater on March 30, 2023, 10:05:40 AM
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The AF1 cups are better in terms of being more of an actual urethane instead of a flexible plastic like the classic pivot cups. But they claim the same durometer as Riptide for those AF1 cups, and they definitely are more squishy and prone to ripping compared to Riptides. The AF1 aftermarkets are just easier to find at a local as no locals are carrying 'tides.

This shop tested the AF1 bushings at 89 durometer, so less than the 96 claimed - https://offsetskatesupply.co.uk/product/ace-af1-pivot-cups/ (https://offsetskatesupply.co.uk/product/ace-af1-pivot-cups/)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on March 30, 2023, 10:30:19 AM
Oh yeah, that 89d readout sounds about right. Yeah, I will say I haven't had any issues with any recent batches of the aftermarket AF1 cups or the ones that come stock in the trucks of newer revs. But when they first came out I ripped several pairs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mr. Pickles on March 30, 2023, 10:35:44 AM
I just set up some ace classics and the bushings seem to blow out of the washers on both of them. I'm thinking it's just a bad design and want to switch out the bushings. Any recommendations for good bushings in aces?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on March 30, 2023, 10:49:53 AM
It's the washers. The bushings are the best ever. Just switch the washers for ones from different trucks like Indy, it will solve the issue.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on April 03, 2023, 11:38:40 AM
Slid through the baseplate on some AF1s, was kinda wary on still skating them so had to dig in the spares box and hack something together (that was still matching atleast) till I get paid. Ended up as AF1 44 hangers on venture baseplates, ace bottoms and venture tops.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741334087759036470/1089545935413063680/IMG_20230326_122154.jpg)

I'd expected it to be awful as I've never liked mixing truck components but it actually feels pretty good, just a stabler Ace pretty much.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on April 03, 2023, 12:25:42 PM
Do they still turn like Ace quick and deep or more delay and lean like Venture?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: cosmicgypsies on April 04, 2023, 12:30:27 AM
Quote from: logjammin on April 03, 2023, 12:25:42 PM
Do they still turn like Ace quick and deep or more delay and lean like Venture?

It's really just a middle ground imo, not as quick and snappy as an Ace turn but not as delayed as a Venture. It does have a nice stable center point though which I never found Ace to have, made some fliptricks slightly easier. Might be a bad comparison as I havent touched them in years but if anything it just makes it a bang average truck akin to Indy's (ie stable in the center but turns when you want it to) as opposed to Ace which is all turn and Venture where you have to kinda force it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on April 04, 2023, 04:33:32 AM
Right on, at least the combination works and you're happy with it. If it diminishes the Ace turn I'll hold off on trying it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paperclip20 on April 04, 2023, 08:38:13 AM
Friends, Please drop your suggestions and methods for stopping squeaky trucks. Some pivot cup wax did the trick but always seems to be temporary. Any long term solutions aside from getting riptides?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: manysnakes on April 04, 2023, 08:55:04 AM
Quote from: Paperclip20 on April 04, 2023, 08:38:13 AM
Friends, Please drop your suggestions and methods for stopping squeaky trucks. Some pivot cup wax did the trick but always seems to be temporary. Any long term solutions aside from getting riptides?

I didn't find that Riptides made my Indys squeak any less.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 04, 2023, 09:21:33 AM
Quote from: Paperclip20 on April 04, 2023, 08:38:13 AM
Friends, Please drop your suggestions and methods for stopping squeaky trucks. Some pivot cup wax did the trick but always seems to be temporary. Any long term solutions aside from getting riptides?


I have used a few things in between parts, mainly wax now as it is simple and easier to apply and doesn't make a big mess, but as you said, sometimes the squeaking comes back a little too soon.

Others have put a thin coating of bearing lube or sewing machine oil on the hanger pivot nub, or one drop into the pivot cup and squished it in, which seemed to work well enough too.


If you can work out what is doing the squeaking, then it is a bit easier to sort out.  More often than not the pivot cup or pivot point, but also the bushings / washers and sometimes even the washers / kingpin nuts, so a little wax on all contact surfaces and most if not all noise stops.

It can make the trucks feel a bit more loose too, but using a bit more wax on the pivot cup area usually did the trick for most boards I had worked on for people, including my own.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Aquatic Dinosaur on April 04, 2023, 09:50:05 AM
Quote from: cosmicgypsies on April 03, 2023, 11:38:40 AM
Slid through the baseplate on some AF1s, was kinda wary on still skating them so had to dig in the spares box and hack something together (that was still matching atleast) till I get paid. Ended up as AF1 44 hangers on venture baseplates, ace bottoms and venture tops.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741334087759036470/1089545935413063680/IMG_20230326_122154.jpg)

I'd expected it to be awful as I've never liked mixing truck components but it actually feels pretty good, just a stabler Ace pretty much.

I thought about doing this but with ace low baseplates and hollow Indy hangers.  Don’t wanna somehow ruin two sets of trucks though.  Not sure if getting ruined is even possible but in my mind I’d be worried about it after switching them back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: intendedreceivers on April 04, 2023, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: Paperclip20 on April 04, 2023, 08:38:13 AM
Friends, Please drop your suggestions and methods for stopping squeaky trucks. Some pivot cup wax did the trick but always seems to be temporary. Any long term solutions aside from getting riptides?

Small dab of thick synthetic grease on the pivot? I think my Royals came like that and have stayed pretty quiet and silky. Softer pivot cups (Ace, Royal, Riptide) also seem to help with noise as mentioned.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on April 04, 2023, 04:06:41 PM
I recently went out and bought some of that graphite lube powder that some people says works the longest, but I found it to be a total mess and it didn't last long at all. Best and least messy method I've found is clean the contact points with rubbing alcohol when I take apart my trucks, then I use a beeswax-based lip balm and rub it on both sides of bushings and then on the pivot nub of the hanger and mush it into the pivot cup and repeat, then set them back up. Makes turning better and more responsive, too. The squeak won't go away forever but it lasts long enough for the process to be tolerable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 13, 2023, 04:30:42 PM
Bucky and his Ti IKP

https://fb.watch/jUiikW8pB8/?mibextid=tejx2t
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on April 15, 2023, 09:38:10 AM
Does anyone know why new trucks start out loose sometimes but the end up tightening up on their own? I noticed this happening with new Venture's, they'll start off as a nice medium feel but then after a bit of skating they get kinda tight out of nowhere and then you gotta go back and loosen em a half turn or two. Is it the pivot cup making it feel tighter as it gets broken in? Is it the bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on April 15, 2023, 12:47:19 PM
Bushings firm up and get dirty, pivot cups start getting dirty and squeaky. Diminishes the initial fluid and looser feeling turn, I personally don't like it. I always keep contact points all lubed up so the turn stays lively and reboundy as possible.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 15, 2023, 10:56:37 PM
Yes, thunders too….another reason to run after markets….
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tuesday on April 16, 2023, 03:33:23 AM
Quote from: logjammin on April 04, 2023, 04:06:41 PM
I recently went out and bought some of that graphite lube powder that some people says works the longest, but I found it to be a total mess and it didn't last long at all. Best and least messy method I've found is clean the contact points with rubbing alcohol when I take apart my trucks, then I use a beeswax-based lip balm and rub it on both sides of bushings and then on the pivot nub of the hanger and mush it into the pivot cup and repeat, then set them back up. Makes turning better and more responsive, too. The squeak won't go away forever but it lasts long enough for the process to be tolerable.

Had the exact same experience. Was a total mess. Never ever again. Solution: silicon grease.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: YeoWhattup on April 21, 2023, 09:12:20 PM
Thunder 151 standards on Foy’s custom 8.5
56 conicals
1/8 riser pad
Ace low bushings
One thread of the kingpin showing on both trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FGO925 on April 22, 2023, 09:47:26 AM
Blew out my pivot cups on my thunders, using the riptide replacement and they seem really nice. Don’t notice too big of a difference but no more squeak, and they feel slightly more stable I think.

I also threw in some Thunder 94a bushings, and for some reason on my back truck the kingpin nut keeps coming loose. I don’t have the trucks that loose, The nut sits flush with no threads visable. I need to compare but it honestly makes me think maybe the Thunder brand 94a’s are actually slightly taller than the stock 90’s? Not sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on April 22, 2023, 11:39:31 AM
Quote from: FGO925 on April 22, 2023, 09:47:26 AM
Blew out my pivot cups on my thunders, using the riptide replacement and they seem really nice. Don’t notice too big of a difference but no more squeak, and they feel slightly more stable I think.

I also threw in some Thunder 94a bushings, and for some reason on my back truck the kingpin nut keeps coming loose. I don’t have the trucks that loose, The nut sits flush with no threads visable. I need to compare but it honestly makes me think maybe the Thunder brand 94a’s are actually slightly taller than the stock 90’s? Not sure.

You could swap the nut out and see if the problem persists.

Maybe take the hanger off to check if the kingpin is loose or wobbly. I had a set of Aces with a nut that came loose constantly. Turns out the the kingpin was loose and wobbling around. I’m glad I figure it out when I did.

Or maybe it will just go away as the bushings break in.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on May 21, 2023, 05:18:17 AM
Set up a board with 144 Indy Hollows. This is after roughly 2 decades on Venture 5.2s and a year on Thunder 149s.

It does feel like 8.25 might be a good compromise width for me at this point. 8.5 sometimes feels like too much and the few times I’ve gone back to 8.0 it feels tiny.

The pop is closer to the Thunders than the Ventures, effort wise (probably the main reason I wanted to try something besides Ventures was the all the ghost popping my lazy ass was doing and to try a lower ride).

What I’m having trouble with on the Indys is the wheelbase and feeling squirrelly. I bought them off a friend and he had the super soft white aftermarket bushings in them. I thought I liked loose trucks but that was too loose. I had some red Indy aftermarkets lying around which are better but it still feels like there’s a very small adjustment window between not turning and unstable. I almost got a speed wobble yesterday on a steep drop in which was terrifying.

I can feel the smaller wheelbase somehow. It’s like the hanger is in the wrong place when I get into and out of grinds on transition. I’m hoping I can adjust to that but it’s not just my imagination - despite the deck having a quarter inch longer wheelbase than my 8.0, the axle to axle wheelbase is a quarter inch shorter on this versus the setup with Ventures.

I’m going to try this for a bit but I’m thinking already about trying Thunder 148s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: IpathCats on May 21, 2023, 05:46:40 AM
Quote from: Willie on May 21, 2023, 05:18:17 AM
Set up a board with 144 Indy Hollows. This is after roughly 2 decades on Venture 5.2s and a year on Thunder 149s.

It does feel like 8.25 might be a good compromise width for me at this point. 8.5 sometimes feels like too much and the few times I’ve gone back to 8.0 it feels tiny.

The pop is closer to the Thunders than the Ventures, effort wise (probably the main reason I wanted to try something besides Ventures was the all the ghost popping my lazy ass was doing and to try a lower ride).

What I’m having trouble with on the Indys is the wheelbase and feeling squirrelly. I bought them off a friend and he had the super soft white aftermarket bushings in them. I thought I liked loose trucks but that was too loose. I had some red Indy aftermarkets lying around which are better but it still feels like there’s a very small adjustment window between not turning and unstable. I almost got a speed wobble yesterday on a steep drop in which was terrifying.

I can feel the smaller wheelbase somehow. It’s like the hanger is in the wrong place when I get into and out of grinds on transition. I’m hoping I can adjust to that but it’s not just my imagination - despite the deck having a quarter inch longer wheelbase than my 8.0, the axle to axle wheelbase is a quarter inch shorter on this versus the setup with Ventures.

I’m going to try this for a bit but I’m thinking already about trying Thunder 148s.

Can relate to this. I would personally recommend the hard black Indy bushings and run them flush
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 21, 2023, 06:31:49 AM
Yeah, I’d just tighten them up and over time loosen them.  They are more squirrelly, but not like an ace.  How long have you been skating them?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Willie on May 21, 2023, 09:28:12 AM
^Only a day so far and it was only transition. I’ll give it more time for sure. It didn’t feel squirrelly until I was hauling ass though, which makes it hard to gauge/trust. It’s fine until it’s “oh shit.”
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: intendedreceivers on May 21, 2023, 07:11:23 PM
Quote from: Willie on May 21, 2023, 09:28:12 AM
^Only a day so far and it was only transition. I’ll give it more time for sure. It didn’t feel squirrelly until I was hauling ass though, which makes it hard to gauge/trust. It’s fine until it’s “oh shit.”

Honestly, those red Indy aftermarkets are notoriously shitty. If you can find a set of the newer stock bushings (they’re kind of a rich mandarin orange color, shiny finish, semi-translucent), they’re actually really good. The other Indy aftermarkets and the DLX Bait & Tackle/Supercush bushings both seem to work well. Those red ones are just bad, though. Give something else a go before you you give up on ’em.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 21, 2023, 08:20:07 PM
Quote from: intendedreceivers on May 21, 2023, 07:11:23 PM
Quote from: Willie on May 21, 2023, 09:28:12 AM
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^Only a day so far and it was only transition. I’ll give it more time for sure. It didn’t feel squirrelly until I was hauling ass though, which makes it hard to gauge/trust. It’s fine until it’s “oh shit.”
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Honestly, those red Indy aftermarkets are notoriously shitty. If you can find a set of the newer stock bushings (they’re kind of a rich mandarin orange color, shiny finish, semi-translucent), they’re actually really good. The other Indy aftermarkets and the DLX Bait & Tackle/Supercush bushings both seem to work well. Those red ones are just bad, though. Give something else a go before you you give up on ’em.


Totally going to echo this, even try whatever was in your old Thunder or Venture trucks as they might work better.

The turn will be a little quicker on Indy than Venture and feel different to Thunder, not good or bad, just different, so it does take a bit to get used to.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on May 22, 2023, 01:48:15 AM
Quote from: Mbrimson88 on May 21, 2023, 08:20:07 PM
Quote from: intendedreceivers on May 21, 2023, 07:11:23 PM
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Quote from: Willie on May 21, 2023, 09:28:12 AM
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^Only a day so far and it was only transition. I’ll give it more time for sure. It didn’t feel squirrelly until I was hauling ass though, which makes it hard to gauge/trust. It’s fine until it’s “oh shit.”
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Honestly, those red Indy aftermarkets are notoriously shitty. If you can find a set of the newer stock bushings (they’re kind of a rich mandarin orange color, shiny finish, semi-translucent), they’re actually really good. The other Indy aftermarkets and the DLX Bait & Tackle/Supercush bushings both seem to work well. Those red ones are just bad, though. Give something else a go before you you give up on ’em.
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Totally going to echo this, even try whatever was in your old Thunder or Venture trucks as they might work better.

The turn will be a little quicker on Indy than Venture and feel different to Thunder, not good or bad, just different, so it does take a bit to get used to.

If I may be allowed to interject.
I have been the victim of wanting to swap this or that early on. But it takes some time to make a change and get used to it. While you are missing out on the orange bushings, run your current ones for a few days/sessions.

If it’s really not working out, make a swap but only after a while. You can’t change something and expect a solution immediately.

(He says as he has multiple set ups and approaches the same curb like he’s golfing)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 22, 2023, 03:01:25 AM
Quote from: mynameisnotjeff on May 22, 2023, 01:48:15 AM


If I may be allowed to interject.
I have been the victim of wanting to swap this or that early on. But it takes some time to make a change and get used to it. While you are missing out on the orange bushings, run your current ones for a few days/sessions.

If it’s really not working out, make a swap but only after a while. You can’t change something and expect a solution immediately.

(He says as he has multiple set ups and approaches the same curb like he’s golfing)


That definitely rings true.

Some guys I skate with are instantly mad at their bushings / trucks, usually because they are different to how the board felt before and I always say you got to take your time and wear them in or get used to them without trying to go hard right from go, as they will most likely blow out or have more problems from that.

Funny that some people hate new bushings but happily put nicely worn in bushings. without complaints, even if it is only one session I have had on their bushings, just to roll around and not do much and then give them back and they are already so much "more normal" so it is worth just having a casual roll for a first session on new trucks / different bushings.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sebbo on May 22, 2023, 03:46:58 AM
after recommending royal trucks to a friend of mine, he now skates royal baseplates with thunder titanium hangers :o He has definitely lost his mind.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: GBLange on May 25, 2023, 05:43:14 AM
Lunar Light III. made from magnesium & titanium. 242grams

https://www.instagram.com/p/CsmFAADNr38/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on January 19, 2024, 03:18:58 AM
I want to hit axle on these Polsters, but the kingpin started to catch as the trucks lost material. I devised a shitty plan to avoid buying new trucks. Banged out the old kingpins with a hammer, and pounded in a set of ~5mm shorter Theeve Ti kingpins.

(https://i.imgur.com/LI7biuhl.png)

Then took some fully threaded non-serrated 3/8-24 flange nuts like these:
https://boltsandnuts.com/shop/3-8-24-grade-8-hex-flange-prevailing-torque-top-lock-nuts-phos-oil-297987 (https://boltsandnuts.com/shop/3-8-24-grade-8-hex-flange-prevailing-torque-top-lock-nuts-phos-oil-297987)

And sawed the nuts down to size with a handsaw in a bench vice.

(https://i.imgur.com/0bz5OVEl.png)

Put some Vibra tite VC-3 (the best threadlock I've found for inverted setups) on the threads. Let dry for 30 mins, then threaded the nuts on.

(https://i.imgur.com/d5ZdLjDl.png)

I was worried a skate tool wouldn't engage with how low profile the "nut" is, but it works fine, surprisingly, even after the nut got all chewed up from grinding and bashing coping. A gray-haired British man would call this "bodge", but whatever fuck it, it works.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on January 19, 2024, 06:48:40 AM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on January 19, 2024, 03:18:58 AM
I want to hit axle on these Polsters, but the kingpin started to catch as the trucks lost material. I devised a shitty plan to avoid buying new trucks. Banged out the old kingpins with a hammer, and pounded in a set of ~5mm shorter Theeve Ti kingpins.

(https://i.imgur.com/LI7biuhl.png)

Then took some fully threaded non-serrated 3/8-24 flange nuts like these:
https://boltsandnuts.com/shop/3-8-24-grade-8-hex-flange-prevailing-torque-top-lock-nuts-phos-oil-297987 (https://boltsandnuts.com/shop/3-8-24-grade-8-hex-flange-prevailing-torque-top-lock-nuts-phos-oil-297987)

And sawed the nuts down to size with a handsaw in a bench vice.

(https://i.imgur.com/0bz5OVEl.png)

Put some Vibra tite VC-3 (the best threadlock I've found for inverted setups) on the threads. Let dry for 30 mins, then threaded the nuts on.

(https://i.imgur.com/d5ZdLjDl.png)

I was worried a skate tool wouldn't engage with how low profile the "nut" is, but it works fine, surprisingly, even after the nut got all chewed up from grinding and bashing coping. A gray-haired British man would call this "bodge", but whatever fuck it, it works.
Damn, that's serious dedication.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: hiljentaa on January 19, 2024, 07:38:30 AM
Insanity. Love it.

What's the deal with those Polster trucks? Are they a direct copy of Thunders?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on January 20, 2024, 03:57:34 AM
Quote from: hiljentaa on January 19, 2024, 07:38:30 AM
Insanity. Love it.

What's the deal with those Polster trucks? Are they a direct copy of Thunders?
Venture software running on thunder hardware
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BL0B on January 20, 2024, 06:00:54 PM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on January 19, 2024, 03:18:58 AM
I want to hit axle on these Polsters, but the kingpin started to catch as the trucks lost material. I devised a shitty plan to avoid buying new trucks. Banged out the old kingpins with a hammer, and pounded in a set of ~5mm shorter Theeve Ti kingpins.


Then took some fully threaded non-serrated 3/8-24 flange nuts like these:
https://boltsandnuts.com/shop/3-8-24-grade-8-hex-flange-prevailing-torque-top-lock-nuts-phos-oil-297987 (https://boltsandnuts.com/shop/3-8-24-grade-8-hex-flange-prevailing-torque-top-lock-nuts-phos-oil-297987)

And sawed the nuts down to size with a handsaw in a bench vice.

(https://i.imgur.com/0bz5OVEl.png)

Put some Vibra tite VC-3 (the best threadlock I've found for inverted setups) on the threads. Let dry for 30 mins, then threaded the nuts on.

(https://i.imgur.com/d5ZdLjDl.png)

I was worried a skate tool wouldn't engage with how low profile the "nut" is, but it works fine, surprisingly, even after the nut got all chewed up from grinding and bashing coping. A gray-haired British man would call this "bodge", but whatever fuck it, it works.



what's up with your mounting hardware nuts? look cool...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on January 21, 2024, 06:45:46 AM
Looks like the axle is cracked in the little opening where you can see it? Also curious about those mounting nuts as well. Need that shit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 21, 2024, 09:57:29 AM
Look like standard 7/8-9 flange nuts (left one anyway) - you can get fancy ones from RC car/copter kits.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GVH6DJK/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B07GVH6DJK&pd_rd_w=5liGl&content-id=amzn1.sym.f734d1a2-0bf9-4a26-ad34-2e1b969a5a75&pf_rd_p=f734d1a2-0bf9-4a26-ad34-2e1b969a5a75&pf_rd_r=T480Z74XR6QVDQWRXVCB&pd_rd_wg=43qQZ&pd_rd_r=c2306f7a-92f1-467d-83bb-231a7ea24631&s=industrial&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWw

https://www.ebay.com/itm/143978952661?chn=ps&var=443250839988&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1RQs-mw-DRRO1UXKWh5xbIA15&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=443250839988_143978952661&targetid=1584739237574&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9031041&poi=&campaignid=19894961968&mkgroupid=148855406073&rlsatarget=pla-1584739237574&abcId=9307911&merchantid=424807978&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAnrOtBhDIARIsAFsSe52zFbC9nXQtnanlUxjL7dCIp4-MVAdS4Ml8V7xcuOEbTV3RE5Y1o0MaApOJEALw_wcB

No idea the conversion for M 5/6+ sizing to 7/8" threads is tho.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Ant on January 21, 2024, 11:24:04 PM
https://www.ti64.com/product-p/3349.htm

Titanium flange nuts
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on January 22, 2024, 01:21:23 AM
Quote from: Ant on January 21, 2024, 11:24:04 PM
https://www.ti64.com/product-p/3349.htm

Titanium flange nuts

Those look interesting, but wow, expensive. The nuts in the photo came from an aeronautics parts seller on eBay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/254802241036?hash=item3b5365a60c:g:DMQAAOSwbYFfz7al

I bought twelve Ti 10-32 7/8th bolts from them during covid for $12 and were kind enough to send the nuts free. The nuts are smaller than normal hardware, and the kick side hardware is recessed under the hanger like Venture so with a 1/4" bit extension it's really easy to swap out a deck with a drill. There's no nylock on the nuts, but fingernail polish works as a cheap/light thread locker. The hardware hasn't loosened despite skating pre-war cobbles and tiles almost every day. It was kind of a stupid project, but I enjoy tinkering.

The axle does look cracked, it's just some nasty gunk from the local free indoor though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 22, 2024, 04:10:01 AM
@PuffinMuffin  what kind of bushing washers are those?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on January 22, 2024, 04:54:52 AM
Quote from: munchbox on January 22, 2024, 04:10:01 AM
@PuffinMuffin  what kind of bushing washers are those?

Array washers; the same thing longboarders used before they universally boycotted them for being too self-centering. If you scrape a Bones bushings with a knife, it makes the same sound as glass fibre-reinforced plastic. So it's really fucking hard, and immalleable. If you rip apart a Bones bushing apart, the hard plastic is in the same shape as an array washer.

So I feel like I can save a lot of money just using kooky longboarder array washers while running better/longer-lasting bushings than Bones, while getting the same self-centering feel. I'm not good at skating, but I skate almost every day, and replacing Bones bushings every month got old.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TwisT on January 22, 2024, 05:49:57 AM
Quote from: GBLange on May 25, 2023, 05:43:14 AM
Lunar Light III. made from magnesium & titanium. 242grams

https://www.instagram.com/p/CsmFAADNr38/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

since 2hex is proud of their R&D they need to just go direct to consumer, or get a US distro. I don't see anyone paying the to white label these, or use this specific truck as a premium complete component. If truck nerds could put them through their paces, they become a niche truck, Like tensor was on pace to become until they fucked it all up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 22, 2024, 06:40:14 AM
Quote from: PuffinMuffin  on January 22, 2024, 04:54:52 AM
Quote from: munchbox on January 22, 2024, 04:10:01 AM
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@PuffinMuffin  what kind of bushing washers are those?
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Array washers; the same thing longboarders used before they universally boycotted them for being too self-centering. If you scrape a Bones bushings with a knife, it makes the same sound as glass fibre-reinforced plastic. So it's really fucking hard, and immalleable. If you rip apart a Bones bushing apart, the hard plastic is in the same shape as an array washer.

So I feel like I can save a lot of money just using kooky longboarder array washers while running better/longer-lasting bushings than Bones, while getting the same self-centering feel. I'm not good at skating, but I skate almost every day, and replacing Bones bushings every month got old.
out of stock on their website
any leads on where to find em or something similar?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: PuffinMuffin on January 22, 2024, 09:50:05 AM
@munchbox

https://origindistribution.com/atlas-precision-top-hat-washer-set-silver.html (https://origindistribution.com/atlas-precision-top-hat-washer-set-silver.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: logjammin on January 22, 2024, 10:25:52 AM
Eh, those Array sleeved washers click like crazy and the sleeve part turned oval and it wouldn't fit a bushing on it anymore. Just use normal cupped washers and call it a day.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: drinny on January 22, 2024, 12:30:10 PM
Eh I run these for the same reason, bones like but keep my preferred duro thane… no rounding/ovalling here.

Kingpin loose, sounds like something is loose (super soft bushings?) for that to be able to happen?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 22, 2024, 12:35:05 PM
Quote from: drinny on January 22, 2024, 12:30:10 PM
Eh I run these for the same reason, bones like but keep my preferred duro thane… no rounding/ovalling here.

Kingpin loose, sounds like something is loose (super soft bushings?) for that to be able to happen?


Same. Been running the same few pairs I got from Muir Skate 3+ years ago. No ovaling at all. As for clicking, only on indy with new bushings (goes away after a few sessions).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rosemaryBB on January 23, 2024, 11:17:30 PM
This has probably been tackled somewhere before, but anyone else have terrible pop with Thunders? Love the pinch, and have good flick for flip tricks on the right boards, but my pop is pretty weak always. Is this just how it is or is there some sweet spot for tail length i should be looking for or something?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 24, 2024, 09:02:19 AM
whats your setup
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JM on January 24, 2024, 09:18:22 AM
Quote from: rosemaryBB on January 23, 2024, 11:17:30 PM
This has probably been tackled somewhere before, but anyone else have terrible pop with Thunders? Love the pinch, and have good flick for flip tricks on the right boards, but my pop is pretty weak always. Is this just how it is or is there some sweet spot for tail length i should be looking for or something?
It’s a lower truck so your tail will hit sooner. Thus, you won’t have the same lift potential that you would with a higher truck like Indy.

Just my guess, but yes do please share setup ^
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 24, 2024, 07:56:04 PM
shorter nose/tail or a small riser may help.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 25, 2024, 03:27:50 AM
any recommendations on thin bushing washers?
specifically board side and not bones flats
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Rick Trapasso on January 25, 2024, 05:48:01 AM
Quote from: munchbox on January 25, 2024, 03:27:50 AM
any recommendations on thin bushing washers?
specifically board side and not bones flats

No disrespect, but why do you want to do that? A thinner bottom bushing will change your truck geo and cause your pivot cups to blow out faster.

If you still want to for whatever reason just take your bottom bushing with you to the hardware store and find something with the same diameter as the bushing with your desired thickness.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: munchbox on January 25, 2024, 07:45:58 AM
Quote from: Rick Trapasso on January 25, 2024, 05:48:01 AM
Quote from: munchbox on January 25, 2024, 03:27:50 AM
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any recommendations on thin bushing washers?
specifically board side and not bones flats
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No disrespect, but why do you want to do that? A thinner bottom bushing will change your truck geo and cause your pivot cups to blow out faster.

If you still want to for whatever reason just take your bottom bushing with you to the hardware store and find something with the same diameter as the bushing with your desired thickness.
i dont really care about pivot cups. i replace once and forget

tying to counteract taking a kingpin down via angle grinder
it worked with the bushings i had, not as well for the new set
not fussing about what that did to the geo

would rather not change baseplates if there are other options
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JM on January 25, 2024, 08:38:54 AM
I want a washer that has the exact same diameter as kingpin, so the washer doesn’t click and clack back and forth on turns.

Drives me nuts.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: onkalo on January 25, 2024, 09:10:23 AM
Quote from: JM on January 25, 2024, 08:38:54 AM
I want a washer that has the exact same diameter as kingpin, so the washer doesn’t click and clack back and forth on turns.

Drives me nuts.

Get some 8 mm washers and drill them to 9,5 mm. Done this couple of times and sometimes requires a little force to get them to the kingpin but they don't ever click.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: JM on January 25, 2024, 11:01:39 AM
Quote from: onkalo on January 25, 2024, 09:10:23 AM
Quote from: JM on January 25, 2024, 08:38:54 AM
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I want a washer that has the exact same diameter as kingpin, so the washer doesn’t click and clack back and forth on turns.

Drives me nuts.
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Get some 8 mm washers and drill them to 9,5 mm. Done this couple of times and sometimes requires a little force to get them to the kingpin but they don't ever click.

Ooh, thank you. Might have to do that if there no perfect match at the hardware store.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 29, 2024, 09:31:42 AM
Those kingpin measurements that the professor and Ben are not the measurements I want.

That's kingpin clearance and grind material.

They should get the angle of the kingpin in the baseplate also the angle of the pivot

Then we might better understand why trucks turn differently and if my hypothesis is correct
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 29, 2024, 02:30:23 PM
Quote from: Uncle Flea on January 29, 2024, 09:31:42 AM
Those kingpin measurements that the professor and Ben are not the measurements I want.

That's kingpin clearance and grind material.

They should get the angle of the kingpin in the baseplate also the angle of the pivot

Then we might better understand why trucks turn differently and if my hypothesis is correct


Def clearance/nut angle…damn, those lows haha.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yghartsyrt on February 22, 2024, 12:23:37 AM
Didn’t find the answer in this thread, but only used the search function, so hopefully this isn’t asking the same question again:
Does anyone fuck with swapping the hangers, if one hanger is more abused than the other? My front hanger has taken some serious beating due to mainly skateing slappy crooks the last couple of months. Just figured, I might just swap front and back hanger instead of buying a new set of trucks.
Any downsides? What are your findings on this?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: goodatmeth on February 22, 2024, 02:13:22 AM
Quote from: yghartsyrt on February 22, 2024, 12:23:37 AM
Didn’t find the answer in this thread, but only used the search function, so hopefully this isn’t asking the same question again:
Does anyone fuck with swapping the hangers, if one hanger is more abused than the other? My front hanger has taken some serious beating due to mainly skateing slappy crooks the last couple of months. Just figured, I might just swap front and back hanger instead of buying a new set of trucks.
Any downsides? What are your findings on this?
Sure. That's basically what you do every few seconds when you're riding a twin tail. No harm whatsoever, other than people thinking you're a god at switch fs crooks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yghartsyrt on February 22, 2024, 02:25:03 AM
Quote from: goodatmeth on February 22, 2024, 02:13:22 AM
Quote from: yghartsyrt on February 22, 2024, 12:23:37 AM
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Didn’t find the answer in this thread, but only used the search function, so hopefully this isn’t asking the same question again:
Does anyone fuck with swapping the hangers, if one hanger is more abused than the other? My front hanger has taken some serious beating due to mainly skateing slappy crooks the last couple of months. Just figured, I might just swap front and back hanger instead of buying a new set of trucks.
Any downsides? What are your findings on this?
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Sure. That's basically what you do every few seconds when you're riding a twin tail. No harm whatsoever, other than people thinking you're a god at switch fs crooks

ha. It never occured to me, since i never had a truck with a low kingpin that allowed for switching hangars. Hooray for five more months of slappies on the same truck

Thanks for the confirmation
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: moonordie on February 22, 2024, 02:42:47 AM
Quote from: yghartsyrt on February 22, 2024, 12:23:37 AM
Didn’t find the answer in this thread, but only used the search function, so hopefully this isn’t asking the same question again:
Does anyone fuck with swapping the hangers, if one hanger is more abused than the other? My front hanger has taken some serious beating due to mainly skateing slappy crooks the last couple of months. Just figured, I might just swap front and back hanger instead of buying a new set of trucks.
Any downsides? What are your findings on this?
I swap hangers and bushings. You'll have double truck life.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yghartsyrt on February 22, 2024, 02:57:51 AM
Quote from: moonordie on February 22, 2024, 02:42:47 AM
Quote from: yghartsyrt on February 22, 2024, 12:23:37 AM
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Didn’t find the answer in this thread, but only used the search function, so hopefully this isn’t asking the same question again:
Does anyone fuck with swapping the hangers, if one hanger is more abused than the other? My front hanger has taken some serious beating due to mainly skateing slappy crooks the last couple of months. Just figured, I might just swap front and back hanger instead of buying a new set of trucks.
Any downsides? What are your findings on this?
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I swap hangers and bushings. You'll have double truck life.

Much appreciated – as my trucks turn quite differently, this would probably give headaches for days breaking them in again
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 22, 2024, 12:03:22 PM
Quote from: yghartsyrt on February 22, 2024, 02:57:51 AM
Quote from: moonordie on February 22, 2024, 02:42:47 AM
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Quote from: yghartsyrt on February 22, 2024, 12:23:37 AM
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Didn’t find the answer in this thread, but only used the search function, so hopefully this isn’t asking the same question again:
Does anyone fuck with swapping the hangers, if one hanger is more abused than the other? My front hanger has taken some serious beating due to mainly skateing slappy crooks the last couple of months. Just figured, I might just swap front and back hanger instead of buying a new set of trucks.
Any downsides? What are your findings on this?
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I swap hangers and bushings. You'll have double truck life.
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Much appreciated – as my trucks turn quite differently, this would probably give headaches for days breaking them in again

Gonna lose them grooves! =(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: yghartsyrt on February 22, 2024, 09:38:00 PM
Quote from: Xen on February 22, 2024, 12:03:22 PM
Quote from: yghartsyrt on February 22, 2024, 02:57:51 AM
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Quote from: moonordie on February 22, 2024, 02:42:47 AM
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Quote from: yghartsyrt on February 22, 2024, 12:23:37 AM
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Didn’t find the answer in this thread, but only used the search function, so hopefully this isn’t asking the same question again:
Does anyone fuck with swapping the hangers, if one hanger is more abused than the other? My front hanger has taken some serious beating due to mainly skateing slappy crooks the last couple of months. Just figured, I might just swap front and back hanger instead of buying a new set of trucks.
Any downsides? What are your findings on this?
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I swap hangers and bushings. You'll have double truck life.
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Much appreciated – as my trucks turn quite differently, this would probably give headaches for days breaking them in again
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Gonna loose them grooves! =(
Not for long because new grooves will appear quickly
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Mn_Mike on February 23, 2024, 12:34:41 PM
I really like Indy super soft bushings. I just leave the kingpin nut flush. I ride super loose trucks.