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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: I SUCK! on April 11, 2016, 01:22:48 PM
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Not sure if this particular source is reliable. Maybe if somebody made a random instagram comment I'd believe it.
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MJ not going to Fallen, confirmed.
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Saw this coming after I bought Jon Dickson's new shoe and it tore two days later from walking.
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**waiver, not waver. guess the ad proof-reader has already been let go.
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Fuck em, they quit
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If they wouldn't have fucked with the original Chief design then my purchases of that shoe alone would have kept them in business.
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From business man of the year to all your brands folding.
Thats gotta sting the ego
Never tried their shoes and never hear much good about them.
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Never been a huge fan, but this a shitty new for the industry.
Now we can start the rumor mill about where the team riders are going
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From business man of the year to all your brands folding.
Thats gotta sting the ego
Never tried their shoes and never hear much good about them.
"success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts"
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From business man of the year to all your brands folding.
Thats gotta sting the ego
Never tried their shoes and never hear much good about them.
"success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts"
Geez, thats deep!
Especially when you quit.
Best of luck on your future endevours.
"I'm a fan of the man, just not the brand".
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Sad to see them go. Big box shoe companies are hard to compete with.
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If they wouldn't have fucked with the original Chief design then my purchases of that shoe alone would have kept them in business.
Probably not though.
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so whos next
c1rca?
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From business man of the year to all your brands folding.
Thats gotta sting the ego
Never tried their shoes and never hear much good about them.
"success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts"
Geez, thats deep!
Especially when you quit.
Best of luck on your future endevours.
"I'm a fan of the man, just not the brand".
when you run out of gas in your car, is that quitting?
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From business man of the year to all your brands folding.
Thats gotta sting the ego
Never tried their shoes and never hear much good about them.
"success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts"
Geez, thats deep!
Especially when you quit.
Best of luck on your future endevours.
"I'm a fan of the man, just not the brand".
when you run out of gas in your car, is that quitting?
Yes, it absolutely is. Fuck I buy a new vehicle every week because of that.
Im just fuckin with ya.
The economy sucks and big brands are killing all the skate based brands. So bowing out sucks, but it is what it is. Shitty spot to be in for sure.
In 10 years all we will have left is nike, adidas, cons and vans
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Dude acts like he has to be there, so dramatic and his face pisses me off. All in all before including the shoes
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Sucks to see this happen.
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Sad to see Fallen go. I had many pairs of the chief.
Also funny to see people talking shit about JT having ups and downs in business.
Ride the sky is one of the defining videos of the mid-late 2000s
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Now we can start the rumor mill about where the team riders are going
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Everyone now on Nike SB.
FTW
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A bummer, may not have been the "coolest" shoe company in terms of what's in right now, but they were skater owned and supported a lot of great skateboarders. Sad to see it go.
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Sad to see this happen.
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R.I.P.
Had tons pairs of Fallen's, never thought I would even wear them, but when I did skate them, all were great.
Got a couple in my closet for collection, I'll never forget.
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**waiver, not waver. guess the ad proof-reader has already been let go.
haha, FTW
**"Waver" is actually right. A "waiver" is something that you sign.
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**waiver, not waver.� guess the ad proof-reader has already been let go.�
haha, FTW
guess someone doesn't pay attention in English...
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**waiver, not waver. � guess the ad proof-reader has already been let go. �
*Never mind someone already corrected you.
I've never had Fallen shoes, but I just based off of Welcome to Hell alone JT will always have my support.
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Man this sucks...I guess Ill keep the pair of Chief mids Ive had for a couple years. I always liked Fallen.
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Wasn't my thing but sad to see it go regardless.
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They definitely had a brand, but they niched themselves out of business I think. That whole Misled Youth / Dying To Live thing is gone. There aren't really skaters like that anymore who can identify with what Jamie Thomas loves to make skateboarding look like, or dreams it was still like. I understand the business is harsh for skate shoe brands but to me this seems more of a failure to adapt. Just because you have a concept doesn't mean you can't move around without completely abandoning what you stand for. I could see Jamie being a very stubborn businessman and marketer when it comes to his brands which probably hints to why they are all failing now.
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i never had a pair, but i fucked a girl who had the purple and black striped socks on once
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Good opportunity for Filament to pick up some people :D
Seriously though, Ride The Sky was a good video. Never bought the shoes, but I sure as shit watched that video and bought a lot of Zero boards when I liked jumping down stairs.
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Everyone on Nike SB
Jamie could go back to C1rca
Burman on vans I could see or #NB with his bestfriend Jake Hayes and Arto
Dickson on emerica
Slash maybe cons with Baca and Nuge
End of the the day people need to buy skate brands and fuck Nike, Cons, Adidas, New Balance
Most people calling people sellouts are all wearing Nike SB and cons and Adidas
So did business man Jamie kill Jamie's life, zero next?
Or will someone start up a company
Ride The Sky is one of my fav videos
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I'm the waver, waving this good brand goodbye.
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Jamie to NB#
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I have a black pair of Fallen Fortes that are made out of synthetic nubuck. After 10-15 kickflips, the side tore a shitload, so I just used them as chillers. I wore them earlier today, but now I'm going to keep them in my box of skateboarding memorabilia.
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Hahahah
Gnarly
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Without a doubt sample pairs are on the way to his garage/eBay collection. A man gots to eat.
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are there any pairs of fallens out rn that skate good
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JT and Black box brought NB# to skateborading, and now Fallen fallen...
Is that Karma?
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I feel like the wrist band and backwards hat really sealed the deal.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BEE52Psnknn/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BEE52Psnknn/) proof enough?
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BEE52Psnknn/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BEE52Psnknn/) proof enough?
I think the fact that Jamie Thomas started the thread is proof enough.
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jamie thomas back to making zero/cons knock offs.
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Hahahah
Gnarly
Is there footage of this one?
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BEE52Psnknn/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BEE52Psnknn/) proof enough?
I think the fact that Jamie Thomas started the thread is proof enough.
Oh shit......I just noticed that.
I think it's just odd that a company like Fallen goes out of business but then Osiris and Circa still are. I can still see Fallen pull an Es and revamp their lines after a couple of years. I am sure dumping all the pro skaters saves on salary. Just start out small again and maybe that would be more profitable.
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Fuck you Nike.
Jock takeover almost complete
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Oh man, that sucks but I kinda saw it coming. Trends change!
I wish Jamie and all the guys behind Fallen nothing but the best.
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I was probably the epitome of a Zero kid in my early years - Misled Youth was a big influence. I kind of 'graduated' out of that phase but will always have a ton of respect and gratitude for Jaime and his impact on skateboarding. I know, skateboarding doesn't owe anybody anything etc, but I hope it takes care of him anyway - he earned it.
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are you gonna auction the unreleased fallen maltos?
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Sandoval on Emerica
Dickson on Emerica/Cons
Everybody else is fucked. I haven't owned a pair of Fallens in a couple years but they always had my favorite aesthetic and team.
Guess you could say another core company has... Fallen.
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Sandoval on Emerica
Dickson on Emerica/Cons
Everybody else is fucked. I haven't owned a pair of Fallens in a couple years but they always had my favorite aesthetic and team.
Sandoval deserves a phat check. That mother fucker is so gnarly. I hope he gets hooked up asap.
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Everyone on Nike SB
Jamie could go back to C1rca
Burman on vans I could see or #NB with his bestfriend Jake Hayes and Arto
Dickson on emerica
Slash maybe cons with Baca and Nuge
End of the the day people need to buy skate brands and fuck Nike, Cons, Adidas, New Balance
Most people calling people sellouts are all wearing Nike SB and cons and Adidas
So did business man Jamie kill Jamie's life, zero next?
Or will someone start up a company
Ride The Sky is one of my fav videos
Honestly, it wouldn't matter if people did, its come to a point where I'm seeing more and more independant skate stores quit on selling shoes period, there's simply no point for them any more as everyone know's that skate companies make their money outside of skateboarding... Every 'Core' Skate shoe company has had its time in the limelight of commercial success over the years, but that era is over and it has come down to commercial shoe companies now making shoes for skateboarding as just a small sector of what is massive conglomerate, a commercial company that realistically doesn't need to make skateboarding shoes to pay the bills, but does it for the sake of opening opportunity and obviously the extra money for them in this market. Skate shoe companies were idolised for the ways they went about their approach & business for years, but for a major show company, this shit's just a walk in the park for them...
I hate to to y'all and its something I've told many a customers since our little store has cut shoe brands down to simply stocking Vans, DC & Emerica as of recent, but skate shoes are now no longer a part of the skate industry.
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Sandoval on Emerica
Dickson on Emerica/Cons
Everybody else is fucked. I haven't owned a pair of Fallens in a couple years but they always had my favorite aesthetic and team.
Guess you could say another core company has... Fallen.
Dane Burman is pretty fucking gnarly man...super gnarly actually.
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Sandoval, Hansen and Dickson to DC. They got all that Nyjah money floatin around now
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BEE52Psnknn/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BEE52Psnknn/) proof enough?
I think the fact that Jamie Thomas started the thread is proof enough.
Oh shit......I just noticed that.
I think it's just odd that a company like Fallen goes out of business but then Osiris and Circa still are. I can still see Fallen pull an Es and revamp their lines after a couple of years. I am sure dumping all the pro skaters saves on salary. Just start out small again and maybe that would be more profitable.
I'm assuming Osiris and Circa are owned by business people.....Fallen was a company owned by a really good skateboarder.....
Small....shoe brand....profitable? That shit don't mix......
how many more seasons does E's have?
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Sandoval on Emerica
Dickson on Emerica/Cons
Everybody else is fucked. I haven't owned a pair of Fallens in a couple years but they always had my favorite aesthetic and team.
Guess you could say another core company has... Fallen.
Dane Burman is pretty fucking gnarly man...super gnarly actually.
Burman is one of my favorites but I don't see anybody picking him up. Maybe Vans through the Dollin connect? I feel bad for Cervantes, he'll probably just be flow from here on out
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I was probably the epitome of a Zero kid in my early years - Misled Youth was a big influence. I kind of 'graduated' out of that phase but will always have a ton of respect and gratitude for Jaime and his impact on skateboarding. I know, skateboarding doesn't owe anybody anything etc, but I hope it takes care of him anyway - he earned it.
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Emerica doesn't usually get established pros on their team... Hsu must be the only exception in the past 15 years. That being said I realistically see Dixon going to c1rca and maybe Sandoval on... DC* ? Nobody's hiring hesh/gnarly rail riding dudes anymore.
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jamie of fallen now on old people shoes
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Sandoval on Emerica
Dickson on Emerica/Cons
Everybody else is fucked. I haven't owned a pair of Fallens in a couple years but they always had my favorite aesthetic and team.
Guess you could say another core company has... Fallen.
Dane Burman is pretty fucking gnarly man...super gnarly actually.
Neva forget.
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Cheif and Jeremy Wray on resurrected Dukes Footwear confirmed.
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Jamie was on it before bronze, palace, etc. he just didnt want you to know. maybe frye can just pick everyone up. ride with the fryed. Garrett Hill would probably rock em
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Sandoval on Emerica
Dickson on Emerica/Cons
Everybody else is fucked. I haven't owned a pair of Fallens in a couple years but they always had my favorite aesthetic and team.
Guess you could say another core company has... Fallen.
Dane Burman is pretty fucking gnarly man...super gnarly actually.
Neva forget.
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The fact that these dudes were riding for Fallen says that none of them will probably get picked up.
Didn't Slash and Dickson quit/get dropped by Altamont? I don't see why Sole Tech would recommit to those dudes.
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I would of bought all their shoes from the 2005-2007 seasons if they would just reissue them. These were fresh as fuck, I cut the straps off though like an idiot.
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Fallen was one of my favorites in high school. Damn shame to see them go.
Corporations win again.
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JT and Black box brought NB# to skateborading, and now Fallen fallen...
Is that Karma?
I'm not sure what it is but I bet Alanis Moriessette could write a song about it.
Imma hate on the cheif more than most but it sucks that this is happening to him/ his brand
How c1rca and vox are surviving I have no idea.
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Jamie Thomas goes back to C1rca and the company actually sells shoes again
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JT and Black box brought NB# to skateborading, and now Fallen fallen...
Is that Karma?
I'm not sure what it is but I bet Alanis Moriessette could write a song about it.
Imma hate on the cheif more than most but it sucks that this is happening to him/ his brand
How c1rca and vox are surviving I have no idea.
They dont shove bibles uo the asses of their riders.
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Damn.... sucks to see another shoe brand close it doors. Pretty soon there is only going to be a couple left. Wonder where all the skaters are going to go once that "bully" pulls the plug, because we all know it truly doesnt give a shit.
Riding for the bully is like shopping at Walmart then wondering what happened to all the cool locally owned stores. Then... once the tax breaks for walmart are gone... so is walmart. Whats left??
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Sandoval on Emerica
Dickson on Emerica/Cons
Everybody else is fucked. I haven't owned a pair of Fallens in a couple years but they always had my favorite aesthetic and team.
Guess you could say another core company has... Fallen.
Dane Burman is pretty fucking gnarly man...super gnarly actually.
Neva forget.
(http://i.imgur.com/xUUvqmN.gif)
The fact that these dudes were riding for Fallen says that none of them will probably get picked up.
Didn't Slash and Dickson quit/get dropped by Altamont? I don't see why Sole Tech would recommit to those dudes.
i think they quit for Volume 4, which makes sense cause they're friends with Nuge. i can't imagine Altamont is doing especially well either. Dickson, Slash, and Dane Burman should all be fine.
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JT and Black box brought NB# to skateborading, and now Fallen fallen...
Is that Karma?
I'm not sure what it is but I bet Alanis Moriessette could write a song about it.
Imma hate on the cheif more than most but it sucks that this is happening to him/ his brand
How c1rca and vox are surviving I have no idea.
They dont shove bibles uo the asses of their riders.
#lowblow
Look, I can criticize him for all his religious bullshit but at the end of the day he's contributed a fuckload to skating and worked for/ owned a lot of iconic brands over the years. Politics/ religious beliefs aside, he's a fellow skater that ran his brands (bar #NB) without any corporate involvement, and he did it cuz he loves skating. The more companies we lose to the corporations, the less control we have over our culture.
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Dang, RIP Fallen.
I had a few pairs of 'the easy' and it was a fantastic shoe.
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I'm actually skating some fallens currently. Too bad. Vox vulc last maybe two weeks of steady skating while I can get a month out of fallen vulcs. I still have some bombers and cole's first shoe. Thanks for trying.
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Best looking Fallen shoe was Jack Curtin's pro model. Never had any of the shoes, but I loved Ride The Sky.
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Best looking Fallen shoe was Jack Curtin's pro model.
*Almost* as underrated as Silas' first model on Adidas.
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Globe will probably absorb some of the riders, especially Zero ones since they are under dwindle.
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guys....styles change. skateboarding is dominated by the whims of the youth, and things that were once cool are no longer. this is happened countless times. the skate market is oversaturated. too many companies. too many pros. subpar products. does anyone really have a problem with more relatable skating replacing the rail/stair huck fest that has dominated skateboarding for the last 15-20 years? Anyway, thats what kids want, so that's what they're gonna get.
the rail/hesh/ripped clothes, "i just want my pro shoe to be baaaasic" era is done for a minute. kids don't want that. old washed up fucks like us don't matter, kids spending daddy's money matter. you can keep blaming "corpo this corpo that" until you're blue in the face, but skating would have purged these companies whether they corporate shoes are in it or not.
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Jamie to NB#
jamie tried to get on NB before the left black box
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Fuck you Nike.
Jock takeover almost complete
First thing I thought of when I saw this on FB...1/2 way through reading the thread...it's pretty cool JT created the thread.
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Glad to see skateboarding is almost completely finished with it's merger into mainstream culture!
Feels good to not have the jocks bullying me anymore.
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burman on emerica or Nb would be good
thomas on ice cream
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Sandoval on Emerica
Dickson on Emerica/Cons
Everybody else is fucked. I haven't owned a pair of Fallens in a couple years but they always had my favorite aesthetic and team.
Guess you could say another core company has... Fallen.
Dane Burman is pretty fucking gnarly man...super gnarly actually.
Neva forget.
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Haha that's the "graffiti tunnel" at Sydney Uni. That place has some of the most zealous security guards I've ever encountered. Dane's awesome, I hope he gets hooked up.
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thanks for the great years! Going to watch Ride the Sky now
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I would of bought all their shoes from the 2005-2007 seasons if they would just reissue them. These were fresh as fuck, I cut the straps off though like an idiot.�
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i was actually hoping that would happen, they teased about it on instagram once and everyone was eating it up but they never did it.
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SUCH A SHAME THAT LEGIT BRANDS RUN BY LEGIT PRO'S CAN'T BE SUPPORTED ENOUGH TO STAY AFLOAT.
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Bummed. Hoover was doing good things at Fallen. The DOA is my next shoe to skate and idk if I should, but I will.
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Jack Curtin was on fallen and got a shoe, I can commend that. Not to forget about Jon Dickson as well.
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Always kinda got weird Jesus vibes out of Fallen & they're not very widely available here, so never got any. Still, it's too bad that they're going out cuz of all the corporate Nike shit. I'd rather have a skater owned brand I don't really dig around than lame ass Nike.
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Jack Curtin was on fallen and got a shoe, I can commend that. Not to forget about Jon Dickson as well.
I definitely thought that was rad Curtin got a pro shoe. I didn't like it at first but it grew on me. Sort of had that Janoski vibe but also had the sock liner which is now getting raped by Nike by all their shoes.
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It's sad as fuck to see them going out. I've seen ride the sky too much times!
That being said my pair of fallen fortes were one of the worst shoes I ever had. Cardboard layer, insole made of something close to styrofoam. Sole just vanished in days... And I'm not even hard on shoes!
When Jack Curtin got on the Team I saw the light on the end of the tunnel for fallen, best shoe they releases in years but that didnt lasted long.
And then this new revamp they tried to do with the brand was pretty bland too. All the new shoes didnt bring something new to the table. Just rehashed designs, copies of what other companies already did... And that burman shoe, seriously.
It's sad to see them go but I'm no surprised this happened honestly.
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I've only ever owned one pair of Fallens (the Trooper), but this sucks to hear.
I had my eye on the Capitols for a while when they were still around, but I never did end up getting them.
Can anyone speak for the D.O.A. or JT's new pro model?
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fallen were one of the worst shoes I ever had. Cardboard layer, insole made of something close to styrofoam. Sole just vanished in days... And I'm not even hard on shoes!
This. Really liked the brand but the quality just sucks ass. Couple of friends were flowed by them, i've personally seen homie blew up 3 pairs of fortes,straight outta box, during one session.
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It's sad as fuck to see them going out. I've seen ride the sky too much times!
That being said my pair of fallen fortes were one of the worst shoes I ever had. Cardboard layer, insole made of something close to styrofoam. Sole just vanished in days... And I'm not even hard on shoes!
When Jack Curtin got on the Team I saw the light on the end of the tunnel for fallen, best shoe they releases in years but that didnt lasted long.
And then this new revamp they tried to do with the brand was pretty bland too. All the new shoes didnt bring something new to the table. Just rehashed designs, copies of what other companies already did... And that burman shoe, seriously.
It's sad to see them go but I'm no surprised this happened honestly.
i think they were killing it when the show market was dominated by minimal designs and vulcanized shoes but now shoes are being heavily marketed with technology as a key factor.. and yeah that Dane Burman pro shoe says a lot about their creative side :-X
so what "core" brands are left? lakai , emerica, huf, etnies, es, dvs, filament, osiris, circa also DC and Vans.. any thing else i left out?
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damn. sucks to hear. fallen was a good brand. ride the sky is one classic video. the team was tight and the direction of the brand was well.
but, as a lot of you guys already said, the quality wasn't that good. had one of chris cole's pro models, the sole went bald so quickly and under the sole there was this rubber grid-pattern that didn't hold up for shit. hole in the sole after a couple of sessions.
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Can anyone speak for the D.O.A. or JT's new pro model?
skating the "eagle" right now, jts new one. didnt expect to like it as much as i do, snug fit, great grip and boardfeel, and hardly any wear after 4 sessions.
sad to hear this news, but then again fallen simply didnt manage to adapt to a "modern" crowd for some reason.
imagine lakai going under as well and having carroll/howard/JT start something new together... maybe wont last either, but could be awesome.
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Jamie back to emerica please
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Jamie back to emerica please
i could see him back on c1rca
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Jamie Thomas is a real man and "Welcome to Hell" woudn't even be half as long or quarter as intense if it wasn't for Chief. Even Ed himself said that Jamie was the driving force behind the video. Even though "Jump of a building" is in my Top 5 All timers, you can tell that the bastards got less motivated. Oh, you don't feel like doing this trick? Maybe some tough love a la Micky E will help you... Skateboarders need structure and order. Otherwise Nike will come and push us around and great skaters will waste their talent.
The progression of gnar for two decades, tons of companies, 3 back to back (?) KOTR trophies do not happen with hippie attitude.
Jamie, I salute you for your service!
Give this man a medal!
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Damn.... sucks to see another shoe brand close it doors. Pretty soon there is only going to be a couple left. Wonder where all the skaters are going to go once that "bully" pulls the plug, because we all know it truly doesnt give a shit.
Riding for the bully is like shopping at Walmart then wondering what happened to all the cool locally owned stores. Then... once the tax breaks for walmart are gone... so is walmart. Whats left??
Real talk. Never dug Fallen and haven't had DC on my feet since '98 but you'll never see a swoosh on me. Ain't mad at riders for getting paid but we all know most of these dudes will be shit on in a matter of no time.
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can we play a game called guess where the team is gonna go? few people have already had some but lets make it legit!
Jamie - DC with Cole
Sandoval - DC/Nike
Burman - NB/DC
Slash - Cons
Dickson - Cons/Emerica
Cervantes - Globe
sad times for skateboarding to see another company go, hopefully everyone gets hooked up again! such a sick team, its a bummer about the shoes they kept putting out, they did have some sick ones though, Slash's slip ons the easy it hink??, the Roach, Jamies shoe the forte!
bummer for the company
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Pretty bummed on this news. Rocked Fallen Rippers and Trooper Slims until they stopped making them. Randomly caught a sale on amazon a few years ago where Trooper Slim's were $15 a pair and stocked up. the last few pair i have left will be saved.
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sad news
funny to remember that blackbox "helped" NB# to get into the market :-\
good luck Isuck
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This fucking blows. I've never worn a pair but I thought some of the models were sick. Recently this seemed inevitable, but really goes to show the direction the industry is going. It was mentioned above about some big names starting something (Carroll/Howard/JT) but I just don't see that selling today with Nike's popularity. If Lakai and eS go, we're fucked.
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I owned a few pairs growing up. (Mainly the Rival Lo-Fi and that Sandoval mid top that came out years ago)
Anywho, it's a real bummer to see a company that I grew up loving bow out like this. I understand that it's better for him to cut his losses, though.
Much respect to Jamie for everything he's done for skateboarding.
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If Lakai and eS go, we're fucked.
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can we play a game called guess where the team is gonna go? few people have already had some but lets make it legit!
Jamie - DC with Cole
Sandoval - DC/Nike
Burman - NB/DC
Slash - Cons
Dickson - Cons/Emerica
Cervantes - Globe
sad times for skateboarding to see another company go, hopefully everyone gets hooked up again! such a sick team, its a bummer about the shoes they kept putting out, they did have some sick ones though, Slash's slip ons the easy it hink??, the Roach, Jamies shoe the forte
bummer for the company
Tommy and Dane are the only dudes I think will be able to get on a new company relatively quick, the rest of the dudes have no marketing value,besides maybe Slash but he had his time.
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eS will do just fine. Definitely doing well on the PR and brand engagement front. They're also not doing too shabby picking up teamriders.
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It's sad as fuck to see them going out. I've seen ride the sky too much times!
That being said my pair of fallen fortes were one of the worst shoes I ever had. Cardboard layer, insole made of something close to styrofoam. Sole just vanished in days... And I'm not even hard on shoes!
When Jack Curtin got on the Team I saw the light on the end of the tunnel for fallen, best shoe they releases in years but that didnt lasted long.
And then this new revamp they tried to do with the brand was pretty bland too. All the new shoes didnt bring something new to the table. Just rehashed designs, copies of what other companies already did... And that burman shoe, seriously.
It's sad to see them go but I'm no surprised this happened honestly.
i think they were killing it when the show market was dominated by minimal designs and vulcanized shoes but now shoes are being heavily marketed with technology as a key factor.. and yeah that Dane Burman pro shoe says a lot about their creative side :-X
so what "core" brands are left? filament, osiris, circa also DC and Vans.. any thing else i left out?
The three Sole Tech brands, eS, etnies, and emerica, are skater owned.
Both Huf and Lakai are now partially owned by Altamont Capital. I think this is important to note because these brands are NOT skater owned anymore, straight up. A lot of people are blissfully ignorant about this, but a bunch of suits now own part of these companies and decisions are no longer fully in the hands of skateboarders.
DC is owned by Quiksilver.
DVS is owned by Sequential Brands Group.
I don't know about Osiris, Circa, or Filament. I would guess that Osiris is not based on their products, but who knows.
I think Vox might be skater owned, but I don't know and I've never seen a pair in person.
I think there are a lot more skater owned shoes companies outside of the US, but they're more regional.
To me, Vans is a strange exception. They're not skater owned and never have been, but they have been with skating since its inception pretty much, and I think the major difference is that skaters brought vans into the culture, whereas other companies bought their way in. They're a staple at this point and have supported skating throughout all of it's ups and downs.
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never had a pair but sucks to see them go. thanks nike.
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Thanks for trying.
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eS will do just fine. Definitely doing well on the PR and brand engagement front. They're also not doing too shabby after dropping their entire team for a faux hiatus
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Vans is owned by Vanity Fair...
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Corporate shoe brands didn't do this. We as consumers didn't do this. Stop with the Fuck Nike, support skater owned blah blah.
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eS will do just fine. Definitely doing well on the PR and brand engagement front. They're also not doing too shabby after dropping their entire team for a faux hiatus
EXACTLY. Way to support skateboarding...
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The vegan chiefs and the suede Chiefs were fantastic....in 2006.
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Jamie be near your phone. Nike scooped up Sinclair when Dekline shut down, you could be next to get a piece of the pie
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All of these "I never bought a pair/bought one pair 10 years ago, but I'm bummer they're done and it's all Nike's fault" comments are hilarious.
On the upside, JT can concentrate all his energy on Zero now. They still have some great pros. And young guys like JS Lapierre, Chris Wimer and John Herrera that deserve some shine.
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To me, Vans is a strange exception. They're not skater owned and never have been, but they have been with skating since its inception pretty much, and I think the major difference is that skaters brought vans into the culture, whereas other companies bought their way in. They're a staple at this point and have supported skating throughout all of it's ups and downs.
Dam, that was dead on! I have always wondered how to put that into words.
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Corporate shoe brands didn't do this. We as consumers didn't do this. Stop with the Fuck Nike, support skater owned blah blah.
Please explain to the rest of us what economic forces put Fallen out of business if it wasn't for the lack of sales coming from individuals that weren't supporting skater owned brands and were instead supporting corporate shoe brands, like Nike.
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It's sad as fuck to see them going out. I've seen ride the sky too much times!
That being said my pair of fallen fortes were one of the worst shoes I ever had. Cardboard layer, insole made of something close to styrofoam. Sole just vanished in days... And I'm not even hard on shoes!
When Jack Curtin got on the Team I saw the light on the end of the tunnel for fallen, best shoe they releases in years but that didnt lasted long.
And then this new revamp they tried to do with the brand was pretty bland too. All the new shoes didnt bring something new to the table. Just rehashed designs, copies of what other companies already did... And that burman shoe, seriously.
It's sad to see them go but I'm no surprised this happened honestly.
i think they were killing it when the show market was dominated by minimal designs and vulcanized shoes but now shoes are being heavily marketed with technology as a key factor.. � and yeah that Dane Burman pro shoe says a lot about their creative side �:-X
so what "core" brands are left?� filament, osiris, circa also DC and Vans.. any thing else i left out?
The three Sole Tech brands, eS, etnies, and emerica, are skater owned.
Both Huf and Lakai are now partially owned by Altamont Capital. I think this is important to note because these brands are NOT skater owned anymore, straight up. A lot of people are blissfully ignorant about this, but a bunch of suits now own part of these companies and decisions are no longer fully in the hands of skateboarders.
DC is owned by Quiksilver.
DVS is owned by Sequential Brands Group.
I don't know about Osiris, Circa, or Filament. I would guess that Osiris is not based on their products, but who knows.
I think Vox might be skater owned, but I don't know and I've never seen a pair in person.
I think there are a lot more skater owned shoes companies outside of the US, but they're more regional.
To me, Vans is a strange exception. They're not skater owned and never have been, but they have been with skating since its inception pretty much, and I think the major difference is that skaters brought vans into the culture, whereas other companies bought their way in. They're a staple at this point and have supported skating throughout all of it's ups and downs.
DC started as a 100% skate company. Didn't buy into skating.
don't try to act like it didn't.
Obviously Vans is in there. Didn't start out as a skate shoe.. but they have been involved since way back.. So its not a strange exception.
DVS started as skate...
Huf, Lakai... skate as well...100%
In my opinion.. for whatever reasons companies have to sell all or portions of their company to keep moving or progress, thats all gravy... but when a company comes in and dupes the entire industry.. all the way down to skate shops... thats a problem.
Watch what happens in the next couple years... It won't be good...
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always will be a special place in my heart for my green & white patriots....RIP fallen
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Corporate shoe brands didn't do this. We as consumers didn't do this. Stop with the Fuck Nike, support skater owned blah blah.
Please explain to the rest of us what economic forces put Fallen out of business if it wasn't for the lack of sales coming from individuals that weren't supporting skater owned brands and were instead supporting corporate shoe brands, like Nike.
Everything's black and white to you huh? The blame is on Fallen. If you make irrelevant garbage, market to a specific rail guy/juggalo/my first skate shoe market and fail to adapt, it sure as fuck isn't my fault for buying these Adidas over a tiedye pair of Brian Hansen's.
I'll wear whatever I want, but if you want to blame an individual group, rather than the consumer, shift that to the pros who skate for these companies. Without their support they'd be gone by now.
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I think where Fallen failed was by not having their equivalent of the Osiris Skyrise/Clone (those hideous hightops that every mall kid has). It was admirable that he stuck to his guns but you gotta have your crossover shoe. I can't tell you how many times I wanted a pair of Fallens but couldn't find a good looking shoe.
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It's sad as fuck to see them going out. I've seen ride the sky too much times!
That being said my pair of fallen fortes were one of the worst shoes I ever had. Cardboard layer, insole made of something close to styrofoam. Sole just vanished in days... And I'm not even hard on shoes!
When Jack Curtin got on the Team I saw the light on the end of the tunnel for fallen, best shoe they releases in years but that didnt lasted long.
And then this new revamp they tried to do with the brand was pretty bland too. All the new shoes didnt bring something new to the table. Just rehashed designs, copies of what other companies already did... And that burman shoe, seriously.
It's sad to see them go but I'm no surprised this happened honestly.
i think they were killing it when the show market was dominated by minimal designs and vulcanized shoes but now shoes are being heavily marketed with technology as a key factor.. � and yeah that Dane Burman pro shoe says a lot about their creative side �:-X
so what "core" brands are left?� filament, osiris, circa also DC and Vans.. any thing else i left out?
The three Sole Tech brands, eS, etnies, and emerica, are skater owned.
Both Huf and Lakai are now partially owned by Altamont Capital. I think this is important to note because these brands are NOT skater owned anymore, straight up. A lot of people are blissfully ignorant about this, but a bunch of suits now own part of these companies and decisions are no longer fully in the hands of skateboarders.
DC is owned by Quiksilver.
DVS is owned by Sequential Brands Group.
I don't know about Osiris, Circa, or Filament. I would guess that Osiris is not based on their products, but who knows.
I think Vox might be skater owned, but I don't know and I've never seen a pair in person.
I think there are a lot more skater owned shoes companies outside of the US, but they're more regional.
To me, Vans is a strange exception. They're not skater owned and never have been, but they have been with skating since its inception pretty much, and I think the major difference is that skaters brought vans into the culture, whereas other companies bought their way in. They're a staple at this point and have supported skating throughout all of it's ups and downs.
DC started as a 100% skate company. Didn't buy into skating.
don't try to act like it didn't.
Obviously Vans is in there. Didn't start out as a skate shoe.. but they have been involved since way back.. So its not a strange exception.
DVS started as skate...
Huf, Lakai... skate as well...100%
In my opinion.. for whatever reasons companies have to sell all or portions of their company to keep moving or progress, thats all gravy... but when a company comes in and dupes the entire industry.. all the way down to skate shops... thats a problem.
Watch what happens in the next couple years... It won't be good...
I wasn't saying those companies didn't start out run by skaters, I think we all know they did, but they're not run by skaters now, and that's what matters at this point. I'm not comparing them to Nike, Nike is fucked, but they're also not skater-owned anymore, unfortunately.
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Wonder if Jamie got an offer by a shoe brand and the money makes it more wrth while for him to kill Fallen and just get a paycheck for himself. Trying to think of who it would be is kinda hard though, would Sole Tech want him back on any of their brands? I would guess Etnies don't see him fitting on ES or Emerica. DC could sorta make sense? Supra has been known to put random dudes on. I could see Cons and Nike kinda wanting him but idk if he's gonna go the big corporate shoe route.
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Wonder if Jamie got an offer by a shoe brand and the money makes it more wrth while for him to kill Fallen and just get a paycheck for himself. Trying to think of who it would be is kinda hard though, would Sole Tech want him back on any of their brands? I would guess Etnies don't see him fitting on ES or Emerica. DC could sorta make sense? Supra has been known to put random dudes on. I could see Cons and Nike kinda wanting him but idk if he's gonna go the big corporate shoe route.
Sorry to burst your bubble but I'm pretty sure he's not getting any new shoe sponsors.
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Corporate shoe brands didn't do this. We as consumers didn't do this. Stop with the Fuck Nike, support skater owned blah blah.
Please explain to the rest of us what economic forces put Fallen out of business if it wasn't for the lack of sales coming from individuals that weren't supporting skater owned brands and were instead supporting corporate shoe brands, like Nike.
Everything's black and white to you huh? The blame is on Fallen. If you make irrelevant garbage, market to a specific rail guy/juggalo/my first skate shoe market and fail to adapt, it sure as fuck isn't my fault for buying these Adidas over a tiedye pair of Brian Hansen's.
I'll wear whatever I want, but if you want to blame an individual group, rather than the consumer, shift that to the pros who skate for these companies. Without their support they'd be gone by now.
I glanced at fallens collection and it seriously Felt like each shoe looked like the one before it, just a different logo placement, or different materials. That being said from a business standpoint, why produce multiple shoes when they essentially all look the same, why not lower inventory cost and have fewer designs but at higher quality? Also I agree their colorways were terrible.
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Fallen used to be good, but like pretty much any other skater founded or skater owned shoe company now, they're putting out shoes with no support and ugly designs. There may be a few specific models that are good but the rest are shit.
Most of what I see from sport shoe companies look like running shoes and it's hilarious to me how skaters keep backing their jock looking shit.
Vans is all I have left to wear at this point. Sure, they're owned by VF Corp but it hasn't changed a thing for the riders except maybe a bigger paycheck. Steve Van Doren is involved in nearly every event they throw and the family still cares and gives back to skateboarding. Since skateboarders brought them in it's always been about skateboarding, pure and simple. They're not entirely in it for the money like sports companies. Still a core brand through and through. Period.
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I had a pair when fallen started but never got to skate in them since they were a couple sizes too big.
But I have used them to bust nuts into when I'm too lazy to go to the bathroom. Still holding up well years later, laces haven't broke either.
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i had a streak where i was wearing nothing but the 76's. I liked supporting asta, they had a nice profile imo, and i thought the lrg collab was pretty tight. i still have a brand new pair of the lrg/76s in a box actually (for sale- 1 brazillion doll hairs)
I liked that minimalistic appraoach for a minute, but they did eventaully end up bothering my feet. theres just not much to them and difference in quality b/n the corporate brands was obvious. Ive been waering the buz vulc pretty religioulsy since then and dont see that changing anytime soon
GL JT!
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The main downfall with fallen was that they kept making irrelevant products with shit quality. You cant expect people to buy the same shoe if the quality is terrible. Nike, nb, and addidas (while they are corps) make products worth wearing and make shoes that all keep up with trends. If you cant keep up with what people want then how can you expect to stay afloat especially in this day and age.
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DC started as a 100% skate company. Didn't buy into skating.
don't try to act like it didn't.
Obviously Vans is in there. Didn't start out as a skate shoe.. but they have been involved since way back.. So its not a strange exception.
DVS started as skate...
Huf, Lakai... skate as well...100%
In my opinion.. for whatever reasons companies have to sell all or portions of their company to keep moving or progress, thats all gravy... but when a company comes in and dupes the entire industry.. all the way down to skate shops... thats a problem.
Watch what happens in the next couple years... It won't be good...
Yeah, Kakis you're missing a fundamental point about the insurgence of corporations into skateboarding. It doesn't matter if they started as skater owned, now they are owned by corporations with aggressive sales forecasts the authority to make decisions for the company. They aren't skater owned anymore and that's what matters.
McDonald's started as a small hamburger shop. Walmart started as Walton's, a tiny store. Now they're fuckin evil.
DC is not skater owned and is a corporate company. I think DC is fine though. So are the other companies owned by AC. But they all have "darkmen" to quote Jerry.
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DC started as a 100% skate company. Didn't buy into skating.
don't try to act like it didn't.
Obviously Vans is in there. Didn't start out as a skate shoe.. but they have been involved since way back.. So its not a strange exception.
DVS started as skate...
Huf, Lakai... skate as well...100%
In my opinion.. for whatever reasons companies have to sell all or portions of their company to keep moving or progress, thats all gravy... but when a company comes in and dupes the entire industry.. all the way down to skate shops... thats a problem.
Watch what happens in the next couple years... It won't be good...
Yeah, Kakis you're missing a fundamental point about the insurgence of corporations into skateboarding. It doesn't matter if they started as skater owned, now they are owned by corporations with aggressive sales forecasts the authority to make decisions for the company. They aren't skater owned anymore and that's what matters.
McDonald's started as a small hamburger shop. Walmart started as Walton's, a tiny store. Now they're fuckin evil.
DC is not skater owned and is a corporate company. I think DC is fine though. So are the other companies owned by AC. But they all have "darkmen" to quote Jerry.
Point taken, but I think people are not completely understanding the Altamont finance situation. They provide working capital and have two seats on the crailtap board. They do not own crailtap. They are an investor, as I understand that. So it pretty disingenuous to say that these brands are not skater owned. Mike, Rick, Meg etc still own the companies, but now someone else also has a stake. And Rick and Mike could kick them out if they want to.
This is not the same as Nike, which is a publicly traded corportation. The skaters cannot kick out the corporate people. It's a different situation.
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DC started as a 100% skate company. Didn't buy into skating.
don't try to act like it didn't.
Obviously Vans is in there. Didn't start out as a skate shoe.. but they have been involved since way back.. So its not a strange exception.
DVS started as skate...
Huf, Lakai... skate as well...100%
In my opinion.. for whatever reasons companies have to sell all or portions of their company to keep moving or progress, thats all gravy... but when a company comes in and dupes the entire industry.. all the way down to skate shops... thats a problem.
Watch what happens in the next couple years... It won't be good...
Yeah, Kakis you're missing a fundamental point about the insurgence of corporations into skateboarding. It doesn't matter if they started as skater owned, now they are owned by corporations with aggressive sales forecasts the authority to make decisions for the company. They aren't skater owned anymore and that's what matters.
McDonald's started as a small hamburger shop. Walmart started as Walton's, a tiny store. Now they're fuckin evil.
DC is not skater owned and is a corporate company. I think DC is fine though. So are the other companies owned by AC. But they all have "darkmen" to quote Jerry.
Point taken, but I think people are not completely understanding the Altamont finance situation. They provide working capital and have two seats on the crailtap board. They do not own crailtap. They are an investor, as I understand that. So it pretty disingenuous to say that these brands are not skater owned. Mike, Rick, Meg etc still own the companies, but now someone else also has a stake. And Rick and Mike could kick them out if they want to.
This is not the same as Nike, which is a publicly traded corportation. The skaters cannot kick out the corporate people. It's a different situation.
No, it's not the same as a publicly traded company. BUT, as you said, Altamont IS providing the working capital. And the fact is that Crail needed to have some sort of outside cash influx, as things were not working the way they needed them to, from a financial standpoint. So, being that they are providing the working income, I have to think that they have a little bit of a heavier influence with regards to the business decisions being made. It's not like they are in the business of giving people money to keep running their fledgling companies without changing anything. Yes, Rick, Mike and Meg are still on the board, but their influence isn't what it used to be in decision making.
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DC started as a 100% skate company. Didn't buy into skating.
don't try to act like it didn't.
Obviously Vans is in there. Didn't start out as a skate shoe.. but they have been involved since way back.. So its not a strange exception.
DVS started as skate...
Huf, Lakai... skate as well...100%
In my opinion.. for whatever reasons companies have to sell all or portions of their company to keep moving or progress, thats all gravy... but when a company comes in and dupes the entire industry.. all the way down to skate shops... thats a problem.
Watch what happens in the next couple years... It won't be good...
Yeah, Kakis you're missing a fundamental point about the insurgence of corporations into skateboarding. It doesn't matter if they started as skater owned, now they are owned by corporations with aggressive sales forecasts the authority to make decisions for the company. They aren't skater owned anymore and that's what matters.
McDonald's started as a small hamburger shop. Walmart started as Walton's, a tiny store. Now they're fuckin evil.
DC is not skater owned and is a corporate company. I think DC is fine though. So are the other companies owned by AC. But they all have "darkmen" to quote Jerry.
Point taken, but I think people are not completely understanding the Altamont finance situation. They provide working capital and have two seats on the crailtap board. They do not own crailtap. They are an investor, as I understand that. So it pretty disingenuous to say that these brands are not skater owned. Mike, Rick, Meg etc still own the companies, but now someone else also has a stake. And Rick and Mike could kick them out if they want to.
This is not the same as Nike, which is a publicly traded corportation. The skaters cannot kick out the corporate people. It's a different situation.
No, it's not the same as a publicly traded company. BUT, as you said, Altamont IS providing the working capital. And the fact is that Crail needed to have some sort of outside cash influx, as things were not working the way they needed them to, from a financial standpoint. So, being that they are providing the working income, I have to think that they have a little bit of a heavier influence with regards to the business decisions being made. It's not like they are in the business of giving people money to keep running their fledgling companies without changing anything. Yes, Rick, Mike and Meg are still on the board, but their influence isn't what it used to be in decision making.
This is called moving the ball. You said "They aren't skater owned anymore and that's what matters." This is blatantly false. Yes, taking on private equity can result in spreading of authority, but the company is still owned, primarily, not by altamont capital. This is not only very different from Nike but different than, say, when Workshop was bought by Burton. Does crailtap have some outside influence, sure. But it just strikes me as financially untrue to say they are not skater owned or that Rick/Mike/Meg are subservient to the "darkmen."
Given the state of skateboarding, it strikes me that they probably needed more money to be competitive and some rearranging for supply chain cohesion, and so forth. It's not very weird from a business perspective. And again, it's qualitatively different than Nike. Alex Olson, Koston, and P-Rod cannot kick Nike out if they dont like how things are being run.
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It's sad as fuck to see them going out. I've seen ride the sky too much times!
That being said my pair of fallen fortes were one of the worst shoes I ever had. Cardboard layer, insole made of something close to styrofoam. Sole just vanished in days... And I'm not even hard on shoes!
When Jack Curtin got on the Team I saw the light on the end of the tunnel for fallen, best shoe they releases in years but that didnt lasted long.
And then this new revamp they tried to do with the brand was pretty bland too. All the new shoes didnt bring something new to the table. Just rehashed designs, copies of what other companies already did... And that burman shoe, seriously.
It's sad to see them go but I'm no surprised this happened honestly.
i think they were killing it when the show market was dominated by minimal designs and vulcanized shoes but now shoes are being heavily marketed with technology as a key factor.. and yeah that Dane Burman pro shoe says a lot about their creative side :-X
so what "core" brands are left? filament, osiris, circa also DC and Vans.. any thing else i left out?
The three Sole Tech brands, eS, etnies, and emerica, are skater owned.
Both Huf and Lakai are now partially owned by Altamont Capital. I think this is important to note because these brands are NOT skater owned anymore, straight up. A lot of people are blissfully ignorant about this, but a bunch of suits now own part of these companies and decisions are no longer fully in the hands of skateboarders.
DC is owned by Quiksilver.
DVS is owned by Sequential Brands Group.
I don't know about Osiris, Circa, or Filament. I would guess that Osiris is not based on their products, but who knows.
I think Vox might be skater owned, but I don't know and I've never seen a pair in person.
I think there are a lot more skater owned shoes companies outside of the US, but they're more regional.
To me, Vans is a strange exception. They're not skater owned and never have been, but they have been with skating since its inception pretty much, and I think the major difference is that skaters brought vans into the culture, whereas other companies bought their way in. They're a staple at this point and have supported skating throughout all of it's ups and downs.
I remember hearing Steve Cab say in the early 90's they (Vans) got away from supporting skateboarding so much and tried to focus more on BMX. If true, then during years when skateboarding is more underground, this might not be as true. Didn't they "come back" mainly because of Lords of Dogtown too?
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DC started as a 100% skate company. Didn't buy into skating.
don't try to act like it didn't.
Obviously Vans is in there. Didn't start out as a skate shoe.. but they have been involved since way back.. So its not a strange exception.
DVS started as skate...
Huf, Lakai... skate as well...100%
In my opinion.. for whatever reasons companies have to sell all or portions of their company to keep moving or progress, thats all gravy... but when a company comes in and dupes the entire industry.. all the way down to skate shops... thats a problem.
Watch what happens in the next couple years... It won't be good...
Yeah, Kakis you're missing a fundamental point about the insurgence of corporations into skateboarding. It doesn't matter if they started as skater owned, now they are owned by corporations with aggressive sales forecasts the authority to make decisions for the company. They aren't skater owned anymore and that's what matters.
McDonald's started as a small hamburger shop. Walmart started as Walton's, a tiny store. Now they're fuckin evil.
DC is not skater owned and is a corporate company. I think DC is fine though. So are the other companies owned by AC. But they all have "darkmen" to quote Jerry.
Point taken, but I think people are not completely understanding the Altamont finance situation. They provide working capital and have two seats on the crailtap board. They do not own crailtap. They are an investor, as I understand that. So it pretty disingenuous to say that these brands are not skater owned. Mike, Rick, Meg etc still own the companies, but now someone else also has a stake. And Rick and Mike could kick them out if they want to.
This is not the same as Nike, which is a publicly traded corportation. The skaters cannot kick out the corporate people. It's a different situation.
No, it's not the same as a publicly traded company. BUT, as you said, Altamont IS providing the working capital. And the fact is that Crail needed to have some sort of outside cash influx, as things were not working the way they needed them to, from a financial standpoint. So, being that they are providing the working income, I have to think that they have a little bit of a heavier influence with regards to the business decisions being made. It's not like they are in the business of giving people money to keep running their fledgling companies without changing anything. Yes, Rick, Mike and Meg are still on the board, but their influence isn't what it used to be in decision making.
This is called moving the ball. You said "They aren't skater owned anymore and that's what matters." This is blatantly false. Yes, taking on private equity can result in spreading of authority, but the company is still owned, primarily, not by altamont capital. This is not only very different from Nike but different than, say, when Workshop was bought by Burton. Does crailtap have some outside influence, sure. But it just strikes me as financially untrue to say they are not skater owned or that Rick/Mike/Meg are subservient to the "darkmen."
Given the state of skateboarding, it strikes me that they probably needed more money to be competitive and some rearranging for supply chain cohesion, and so forth. It's not very weird from a business perspective. And again, it's qualitatively different than Nike. Alex Olson, Koston, and P-Rod cannot kick Nike out if they dont like how things are being run.
Look through the posts. I wasn't the one who said they weren't skater owned. I was just talking about Altamonts having influence on business decisions because of their financial contribution. That's all I was stating. And as a result, people don't have the same feeling/confidence about the brands as they used to. I never used the term "darkmen" or anything close to that.
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Tommy with the #fucknikeSB
http://websta.me/n/tommygunz__69 (http://websta.me/n/tommygunz__69)
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Tommy of SLS contests. Fuck yes
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Wonder how Tommy feels about Nick Boserio, his Zero team mate, who is on Nike. Gonna be an awkward van ride.
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Tommy with the #fucknikeSB
http://websta.me/n/tommygunz__69 (http://websta.me/n/tommygunz__69)
Meanwhile, over at NikeSB...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEHEb1GACfe/?hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BEHEb1GACfe/?hl=en)
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Wonder how Tommy feels about Nick Boserio, his Zero team mate, who is on Nike. Gonna be an awkward van ride.
For all the kids skating in @nikesb supporting outside sources, you are also supporting the fall out of what it means to be a skateboarder. I standby my beliefs when I say fuck big companies and all the outsiders that don't support core skateboarding. This is not a bitter post nor am I jealous of anyone's status, just expressing what has been on my mind lately.
Hmmm, the first time I read it I thought he covered himself well, but there's really no holes barred here, is there?
It's gonna be Tony Hawkward in the van this Summer....
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I used to not really take a stand on the Nike/Cons/Addidas shit, but as I think about it, and the more I see shoe companies that I grew up loving ending up belly up or struggling, I can't fuck with Nike et al any longer. I'll watch their videos but they won't get any more money from me.
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It's sad as fuck to see them going out. I've seen ride the sky too much times!
That being said my pair of fallen fortes were one of the worst shoes I ever had. Cardboard layer, insole made of something close to styrofoam. Sole just vanished in days... And I'm not even hard on shoes!
When Jack Curtin got on the Team I saw the light on the end of the tunnel for fallen, best shoe they releases in years but that didnt lasted long.
And then this new revamp they tried to do with the brand was pretty bland too. All the new shoes didnt bring something new to the table. Just rehashed designs, copies of what other companies already did... And that burman shoe, seriously.
It's sad to see them go but I'm no surprised this happened honestly.
i think they were killing it when the show market was dominated by minimal designs and vulcanized shoes but now shoes are being heavily marketed with technology as a key factor.. and yeah that Dane Burman pro shoe says a lot about their creative side :-X
so what "core" brands are left? filament, osiris, circa also DC and Vans.. any thing else i left out?
The three Sole Tech brands, eS, etnies, and emerica, are skater owned.
Both Huf and Lakai are now partially owned by Altamont Capital. I think this is important to note because these brands are NOT skater owned anymore, straight up. A lot of people are blissfully ignorant about this, but a bunch of suits now own part of these companies and decisions are no longer fully in the hands of skateboarders.
DC is owned by Quiksilver.
DVS is owned by Sequential Brands Group.
I don't know about Osiris, Circa, or Filament. I would guess that Osiris is not based on their products, but who knows.
I think Vox might be skater owned, but I don't know and I've never seen a pair in person.
I think there are a lot more skater owned shoes companies outside of the US, but they're more regional.
To me, Vans is a strange exception. They're not skater owned and never have been, but they have been with skating since its inception pretty much, and I think the major difference is that skaters brought vans into the culture, whereas other companies bought their way in. They're a staple at this point and have supported skating throughout all of it's ups and downs.
I remember hearing Steve Cab say in the early 90's they (Vans) got away from supporting skateboarding so much and tried to focus more on BMX. If true, then during years when skateboarding is more underground, this might not be as true. Didn't they "come back" mainly because of Lords of Dogtown too?
They stepped back from skating in the late 80s/early 90s to make athletic shoes like cleats and basketball sneakers. Their skate line suffered, throughout the 90s they were jumping on trends, making puffy spiderweb looking shoes and had slick, modern logos and colorways. Cardiel, or someone he knows, claims that he influenced them to reintroduce their classic shoes like the authentic and the old skools and all that along with their vintage red skateboard logo. The rest in history or whatever.
I think that's the story.
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do you give them money by watching their videos?
to the anti-Nike dudes- is it just the people who buy them that are fucking things up? and the people who ride for them get a pass? or is it anyone associated with them?
I wouldn't buy their videos.
I think we are getting to a point where people will realize that if they really want to fight Nike, they'll have to not give the people who ride for them a pass. I'm not there yet personally, but I can see it getting to that point.
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do you give them money by watching their videos?
to the anti-Nike dudes- is it just the people who buy them that are fucking things up? and the people who ride for them get a pass? or is it anyone associated with them?
I think we are getting to a point where people will realize that if they really want to fight Nike, they'll have to not give the people who ride for them a pass. I'm not there yet personally, but I can see it getting to that point.
So it's not nike that's destroying skateboarding, it's "core" skaters that want to bully other skaters for using nike, going against their own kind. How stupid does this sound??
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do you give them money by watching their videos?
to the anti-Nike dudes- is it just the people who buy them that are fucking things up? and the people who ride for them get a pass? or is it anyone associated with them?
I think we are getting to a point where people will realize that if they really want to fight Nike, they'll have to not give the people who ride for them a pass. I'm not there yet personally, but I can see it getting to that point.
True. Forgot you could watch their vids w/out buying them haha.
Fuck. 'Mirin honesty and I agree 100%
I (could be wrong) just feel like there's mad people who are like "fuck you if you buy Nike", but then are like "zomg Alex Olson/Daryl Angel/BA/Chet Childress ughh <33" and they sort of contradict themselves
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Shoe companies are fucking up so bad. They need to come out with some tech shit that actually competes with lunarlon. I hate seeing skater owned companies going under but most of their shoes are wack as fuck. I haven't bought a pair of lakias in 8 years because their entire catalog has the same shitty vans silhouette. I would have bought at least one pair of staples if they didn't butcher the re issue. That dc shoe they came out with a couple years ago and slapped the name lynx on the box was offensive. Dc needs to drop the og lynx and lynx 2. Those philly cats are spending mad bread on the og ones that are like 15 years old. the demand is there.
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They need to come out with some tech shit that actually competes with lunarlon
Lunarlon is for running, it's not gonna make you skate any better unless you buy in to the whole placebo effect. I'd rather have System G2 or STI Evolution foam which have already been in skating since before the nike Koston 1. I agree about the lynx though, that reissue was ass.
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Wait 10 years when all your fav pros are getting ankle cancer from long term Lunarioun use
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This is bad news for sure but I feel like the writing was on the wall for a while, those with a little bit of common sense could tell this was eventually going to happen with more and more Skater owned shoe brands;
With Nike etc buying their credibility in skateboarding via tactical team purchasing and maintaining a "good" public image within skateboarding (eg: LA Courhouse and providing a hell of a lot of pros/ams/flow skaters with decent lifestyles and branded with the swoosh) they managed to legitimise themselves with the youth of the skate industry as well as with some older skaters (age is not my issue here). You only have to look at the skateboarders they approached to be on their team to see they know what they are doing. They approach a mix of pro/ams that represent a lot of different areas and eras of skateboarding and , as such, have a "something for everbody" kind of team. This isn't the most devious thing about their tactic, it's the type of skater they approach. It's not JUST the big names in skateboarding they pay, it's the recognised somewhat underground rippers, the older legends, the new hot kids, the veteran pros, the international guys.. It's very clever.
I've bought two pairs of Nike SB shoes in my time (both Janoski and both (I believe) from a time when Janoski was receiving royalties for them (I could very well be wrong on this). Both of these purchases were not easy decisions (despite the quality of the shoe) to make and believe me when I continue that I'm not blaming anyone but myself for these purchasing decisions, but it was easier to get than a decent pair of Supras in my local SOS. I love Supra shoes, I love their team and I support them and companies like Fallen, Emerica and DVS too. I've had multiple pro models from each of these companies but FUCK, every time I went to my SOS in the last 2 years the ratio of NIKE/ADDIDAS to actual brands I like giving my money to was something close to 70/30. This is in a small retail unit ofc, but seeing the only skate-shop my city has stop stocking new Supras and Fallens entirely and only selling old models on sale while continuing to get new Nike/ Addidas models paints a dismal shoe wall picture.
What annoys me most about this situation (and it can't be an isolated one I'm sure) is waking up today and seeing the owner of said shop, posting this fucking high and mighty Instagram message while he continues to pedal and bow to the forces he claims to stand so strongly against.
You can say that I shouldn't have bought the Janoskis and I'm as bad as him but the thing is, I admit that I bought them and I've worn those shoes but that's two fuxking pairs. I'm nowhere near as powerful a force in the skate scene/industry than the shop and its shoe selection. I don't need to justify myself or my purchasing decisions but I feel like I should be honest about this because this insta post represents the problem; people claiming to be "core" or whatever you want to label it as, while promoting and completely doing the opposite. Yeah , the last pair of Fallens sold there may have been recent and that sure makes for a nice and semi-emotional moment but they've only had the same few fallen shoes on their shelves for at least a year. I don't even know when the last time would have been that they got a new pair of Fallen shoes ordered in, maybe it was more recent than I suspect but I stand by my points.
For anyone that's interested; it's Loko skate shop in Belfast. They are a nice shop, skater owner and a nice place to hang out but this sort of hypocrisy just ain't right.
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They need to come out with some tech shit that actually competes with lunarlon
Lunarlon is for running, it's not gonna make you skate any better unless you buy in to the whole placebo effect. I'd rather have System G2 or STI Evolution foam which have already been in skating since before the nike Koston 1. I agree about the lynx though, that reissue was ass.
Please explain the System G2 and STI Evolution foam to me, since it seems you are very knowledgeable about both of them. I'm pretty sure you're buying into your own "placebo effect".
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I just saw a Fallen shirt at Goodwill. It made me sad.
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They need to come out with some tech shit that actually competes with lunarlon
Lunarlon is for running, it's not gonna make you skate any better unless you buy in to the whole placebo effect. I'd rather have System G2 or STI Evolution foam which have already been in skating since before the nike Koston 1. I agree about the lynx though, that reissue was ass.
system g2? Isn't that the shit they used in es shoes in the early 2000s? I haven't skated the new sti foam, and probably never will. There isn't a single shoe from emerica or etnies I'd buy. Same for lakai and dc. A couple years ago I had a pair of chuck taylors with lunarlon, and a pair of dc kalis centrics at the same time. Even though the dcs' had a fucking air bubble in the heel like all the shoes from the early 2000s, I still couldn't skate for more than an hour without getting sore. Every session with the cons was more enjoyable. Definitely not placebo effect.
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do you give them money by watching their videos?
to the anti-Nike dudes- is it just the people who buy them that are fucking things up? and the people who ride for them get a pass? or is it anyone associated with them?
I think we are getting to a point where people will realize that if they really want to fight Nike, they'll have to not give the people who ride for them a pass. I'm not there yet personally, but I can see it getting to that point.
Fuck. 'Mirin honesty and I agree 100%
I (could be wrong) just feel like there's mad people who are like "fuck you if you buy Nike", but then are like "zomg Alex Olson/Daryl Angel/BA/Chet Childress ughh <33" and they sort of contradict themselves
I'm of the "don't do it" crowd. Don't buy nikes, don't watch their clips, don't pay attention to their team, but I'm kinda past my prime of keeping up with Skate culture. Heath and Reynolds are still the coolest dudes to me. Baker 3 is still the best video, and the coolest as far as fashion, tricks, etc.
It does bum me out when people ride for Nike, and here's my asshole reasoning:
Motherfucker pro skateboarder person, you dropped out of middle school to ride a skateboard for 20 years, the rest of your life isn't gonna be comfortable! Having a sick 360 flip doesn't mean you should never have to work a day in your life, especially if its at the expense of our culture! Go learn a goddamn trade or go to school if you wanna be comfortable.
Weird I know, but just my thoughts. Prolly cause I've always sucked at skating and could never make money off of it!
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do you give them money by watching their videos?
to the anti-Nike dudes- is it just the people who buy them that are fucking things up? and the people who ride for them get a pass? or is it anyone associated with them?
I think we are getting to a point where people will realize that if they really want to fight Nike, they'll have to not give the people who ride for them a pass. I'm not there yet personally, but I can see it getting to that point.
Fuck. 'Mirin honesty and I agree 100%
I (could be wrong) just feel like there's mad people who are like "fuck you if you buy Nike", but then are like "zomg Alex Olson/Daryl Angel/BA/Chet Childress ughh <33" and they sort of contradict themselves
I'm of the "don't do it" crowd. Don't buy nikes, don't watch their clips, don't pay attention to their team, but I'm kinda past my prime of keeping up with Skate culture. Heath and Reynolds are still the coolest dudes to me. Baker 3 is still the best video, and the coolest as far as fashion, tricks, etc.
It does bum me out when people ride for Nike, and here's my asshole reasoning:
Motherfucker pro skateboarder person, you dropped out of middle school to ride a skateboard for 20 years, the rest of your life isn't gonna be comfortable! Having a sick 360 flip doesn't mean you should never have to work a day in your life, especially if its at the expense of our culture! Go learn a goddamn trade or go to school if you wanna be comfortable.
Weird I know, but just my thoughts. Prolly cause I've always sucked at skating and could never make money off of it!
I'm kinda with you re: pro skater and their attitudes but at the same time I'm conflicted because I like the fact that pros are now afforded a great lifestyle because of their talent and marketability etc. Having said that, I think nurses, counsellors, cleaners tech developers, writers , scientists, child minders, psychologists, bin men, etc etc should be getting more than they are. It's consumer capitalism though, it's wonderful but it means some areas of work are valued more in terms of money than others that are more important in terms of human development / society and the welfare of human beings in general.
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do you give them money by watching their videos?
to the anti-Nike dudes- is it just the people who buy them that are fucking things up? and the people who ride for them get a pass? or is it anyone associated with them?
I think we are getting to a point where people will realize that if they really want to fight Nike, they'll have to not give the people who ride for them a pass. I'm not there yet personally, but I can see it getting to that point.
Fuck. 'Mirin honesty and I agree 100%
I (could be wrong) just feel like there's mad people who are like "fuck you if you buy Nike", but then are like "zomg Alex Olson/Daryl Angel/BA/Chet Childress ughh <33" and they sort of contradict themselves
I'm of the "don't do it" crowd. Don't buy nikes, don't watch their clips, don't pay attention to their team, but I'm kinda past my prime of keeping up with Skate culture. Heath and Reynolds are still the coolest dudes to me. Baker 3 is still the best video, and the coolest as far as fashion, tricks, etc.
It does bum me out when people ride for Nike, and here's my asshole reasoning:
Motherfucker pro skateboarder person, you dropped out of middle school to ride a skateboard for 20 years, the rest of your life isn't gonna be comfortable! Having a sick 360 flip doesn't mean you should never have to work a day in your life, especially if its at the expense of our culture! Go learn a goddamn trade or go to school if you wanna be comfortable.
Weird I know, but just my thoughts. Prolly cause I've always sucked at skating and could never make money off of it!
I'm kinda with you re: pro skater and their attitudes but at the same time I'm conflicted because I like the fact that pros are now afforded a great lifestyle because of their talent and marketability etc. Having said that, I think nurses, counsellors, cleaners tech developers, writers , scientists, child minders, psychologists, bin men, etc etc should be getting more than they are. It's consumer capitalism though, it's wonderful but it means some areas of work are valued more in terms of money than others that are more important in terms of human development / society and the welfare of human beings in general.
Yah that's pretty much where I'm at, too. I dont want to see anyone suffer from poverty no matter what, so I'm not saying pros shouldnt be comfortable, they should be! Again, I have a boner for Heath, dude retired, worked in the industry for a bit, and then started his own bar. I remember reading an interview where he talks about buying real estate. That's all smart shit and a good plan! I get that life is a game, and ya gotta play it, and I like how Heath played it.
Here's another rant on why it bums me out to see skaters become 'franchise' skaters. Sports fans sit at bars and watch baseball, and then scream "we're won" or "we lost" while not participating at all. If some guy at a bar was screaming "we won" cause nyjah got a 9.3 I. SLS, we'd call him a poseur, and a kook, especially if he didn't Skate.
I dunno, I'm just bitter and like skating being a small counterculture thing. Not about wealth or making it, just about going out and getting some.
Sorry guys, I had a few jalapeño cocktails before my train ride home, and forgot to wash my hands before I pissed. Now I'm drunk on the train with a burning wiener and am very passionate about this topic.
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do you give them money by watching their videos?
to the anti-Nike dudes- is it just the people who buy them that are fucking things up? and the people who ride for them get a pass? or is it anyone associated with them?
I think we are getting to a point where people will realize that if they really want to fight Nike, they'll have to not give the people who ride for them a pass. I'm not there yet personally, but I can see it getting to that point.
Fuck. 'Mirin honesty and I agree 100%
I (could be wrong) just feel like there's mad people who are like "fuck you if you buy Nike", but then are like "zomg Alex Olson/Daryl Angel/BA/Chet Childress ughh <33" and they sort of contradict themselves
I'm of the "don't do it" crowd. Don't buy nikes, don't watch their clips, don't pay attention to their team, but I'm kinda past my prime of keeping up with Skate culture. Heath and Reynolds are still the coolest dudes to me. Baker 3 is still the best video, and the coolest as far as fashion, tricks, etc.
It does bum me out when people ride for Nike, and here's my asshole reasoning:
Motherfucker pro skateboarder person, you dropped out of middle school to ride a skateboard for 20 years, the rest of your life isn't gonna be comfortable! Having a sick 360 flip doesn't mean you should never have to work a day in your life, especially if its at the expense of our culture! Go learn a goddamn trade or go to school if you wanna be comfortable.
Weird I know, but just my thoughts. Prolly cause I've always sucked at skating and could never make money off of it!
Just because you're are 7' tall and can dunk a basketball, while being a fucking person and not having the ability to make 50% of your free throws, should you earn 30 million a year? Not in my opinion. But the corpos sure as hell shouldn't be making billions off of you either.
Skateboarders should make as much as they can, without bringing Nike in. Nike, and those who ride for Nike, get zero of my dollars.
But it's too late.
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Just to clarify, Nike have not gained credibility, all they have done is taken that from their riders an lowered it for them.
Nike can fuck right off in skateboarding.
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do you give them money by watching their videos?
to the anti-Nike dudes- is it just the people who buy them that are fucking things up? and the people who ride for them get a pass? or is it anyone associated with them?
I think we are getting to a point where people will realize that if they really want to fight Nike, they'll have to not give the people who ride for them a pass. I'm not there yet personally, but I can see it getting to that point.
Fuck. 'Mirin honesty and I agree 100%
I (could be wrong) just feel like there's mad people who are like "fuck you if you buy Nike", but then are like "zomg Alex Olson/Daryl Angel/BA/Chet Childress ughh <33" and they sort of contradict themselves
I'm of the "don't do it" crowd. Don't buy nikes, don't watch their clips, don't pay attention to their team, but I'm kinda past my prime of keeping up with Skate culture. Heath and Reynolds are still the coolest dudes to me. Baker 3 is still the best video, and the coolest as far as fashion, tricks, etc.
It does bum me out when people ride for Nike, and here's my asshole reasoning:
Motherfucker pro skateboarder person, you dropped out of middle school to ride a skateboard for 20 years, the rest of your life isn't gonna be comfortable! Having a sick 360 flip doesn't mean you should never have to work a day in your life, especially if its at the expense of our culture! Go learn a goddamn trade or go to school if you wanna be comfortable.
Weird I know, but just my thoughts. Prolly cause I've always sucked at skating and could never make money off of it!
Just because you're are 7' tall and can dunk a basketball, while being a fucking person and not having the ability to make 50% of your free throws, should you earn 30 million a year? Not in my opinion. But the corpos sure as hell shouldn't be making billions off of you either.
Skateboarders should make as much as they can, without bringing Nike in. Nike, and those who ride for Nike, get zero of my dollars.
But it's too late.
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Please tell me you posted a fit and that's yours! Fucking awesome shirt!
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They stepped back from skating in the late 80s/early 90s to make athletic shoes like cleats and basketball sneakers. Their skate line suffered, throughout the 90s they were jumping on trends, making puffy spiderweb looking shoes and had slick, modern logos and colorways. Cardiel, or someone he knows, claims that he influenced them to reintroduce their classic shoes like the authentic and the old skools and all that along with their vintage red skateboard logo. The rest in history or whatever.
I think that's the story.
Hmmmm, well half cabs came out in 92' so I wouldn't say their skate line suffered throughout the entire 90s. True, towards the end there they dipped out for a bit and then came back with the "pro series" stuff (think monk II, cardiel's shoe, santo's shoe, half cab II, cab 7 etc.) in an attempt to keep up with how tech skate shoes were getting. They were the dark ages for vans because you simply couldn't find their vulc models at the time...
If anyone convinced them to go back to their roots it was rowley, hands down!
There's even an interview with him where he talks about how they didn't want to give him a vulc sole or even put the trad vans stripe on his first model because it wasn't the direction they wanted to take their skate shoe line at the time. Just goes to show that companies probably SHOULD listen to what their riders want.
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to the anti-Nike dudes- is it just the people who buy them that are fucking things up? and the people who ride for them get a pass? or is it anyone associated with them?
I think we are getting to a point where people will realize that if they really want to fight Nike, they'll have to not give the people who ride for them a pass. I'm not there yet personally, but I can see it getting to that point.
Tommy is a beast, no holds barred on or off the board! Even six months ago I didn't think Nike was that bad, even wore a pair of sb dunks. Then, after reading about how they have forced skate shops to carry colour ways that didn't sell, forced them into debt etc. I back flipped and joined the anti Nike camp. I would find it extremely difficult not to give GT a pass, though.
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It's sad as fuck to see them going out. I've seen ride the sky too much times!
That being said my pair of fallen fortes were one of the worst shoes I ever had. Cardboard layer, insole made of something close to styrofoam. Sole just vanished in days... And I'm not even hard on shoes!
When Jack Curtin got on the Team I saw the light on the end of the tunnel for fallen, best shoe they releases in years but that didnt lasted long.
And then this new revamp they tried to do with the brand was pretty bland too. All the new shoes didnt bring something new to the table. Just rehashed designs, copies of what other companies already did... And that burman shoe, seriously.
It's sad to see them go but I'm no surprised this happened honestly.
i think they were killing it when the show market was dominated by minimal designs and vulcanized shoes but now shoes are being heavily marketed with technology as a key factor.. � and yeah that Dane Burman pro shoe says a lot about their creative side �:-X
so what "core" brands are left?� filament, osiris, circa also DC and Vans.. any thing else i left out?
The three Sole Tech brands, eS, etnies, and emerica, are skater owned.
Both Huf and Lakai are now partially owned by Altamont Capital. I think this is important to note because these brands are NOT skater owned anymore, straight up. A lot of people are blissfully ignorant about this, but a bunch of suits now own part of these companies and decisions are no longer fully in the hands of skateboarders.
DC is owned by Quiksilver.
DVS is owned by Sequential Brands Group.
I don't know about Osiris, Circa, or Filament. I would guess that Osiris is not based on their products, but who knows.
I think Vox might be skater owned, but I don't know and I've never seen a pair in person.
I think there are a lot more skater owned shoes companies outside of the US, but they're more regional.
To me, Vans is a strange exception. They're not skater owned and never have been, but they have been with skating since its inception pretty much, and I think the major difference is that skaters brought vans into the culture, whereas other companies bought their way in. They're a staple at this point and have supported skating throughout all of it's ups and downs.
Quiksilver is now owned by Oaktree Capital post bankruptcy a couple months ago. Oaktree owns pieces of Billabong/Fox and some other companies. And... (wait for it)..... they are no longer a publicly traded company.
lets hope that DGKalis cashed out before his shares were zeroed out.
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Gotta love the "they only care about profits" slander. Cause I mean, nobody starts up a company to make money amirite? Like who puts money into something and expects something back? LOL so fuggin wack amirite, like what is marketing and what do you mean you're supposed to compete
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Cause I mean, nobody starts up a company to make money amirite?
That's not the argument though, nor has it ever been.
SLAP sure loves to bring it up every time we have a (anti)Nike thread though ::)
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It's page 6: How has this picture not been posted yet?
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Tommy gunz on nike sb confirmed😅😅😅
Probably get a talking to from some rep in the back corner of street league
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Some interesting posts on page 5...this is a weird analogy but from a sales perspective when you're producing sales with 20 different customers and you lose one, no big deal. If you're producing the same amount of sales with 4 big customers and you lose one you feel a hit.
So with the amount of shoe brands shrinking, and if one of the big corporate brands pulls out of skateboarding...then I would guess skateboarding itself would take a big hit. The big corporations are pouring a lot of money into skateboarding, imagine if that were to disappear. It seems kind of dangerous to only have 3-4 big shoe companies really producing the sales for the retail side while the retailers aren't getting much in return.
Honestly worst case scenario is everything goes online, corporations see no reason to have teams and that is that....after they destroyed everything. In other words now that they are here, we need them here, or, core brands are going to have to step it up big time to replace them in sales, but core brands don't have the financial backing to compete. Something very very creative needs to happen.
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They need to come out with some tech shit that actually competes with lunarlon
Lunarlon is for running, it's not gonna make you skate any better unless you buy in to the whole placebo effect. I'd rather have System G2 or STI Evolution foam which have already been in skating since before the nike Koston 1. I agree about the lynx though, that reissue was ass.
Lunarlon is just EVA foam with some nitrile (like non-latex rubber gloves) mixed in. It doesn't come from space. Its not magic. It's basically just fucking foam. There also seem to be different densities of it as well. The insole shit isn't even the same as the midsole on a pair of Lunarglides, etc. or else you'd break your ankle running around a turn.
it's not bad, although a lot of people find it compresses too much. The running community is already over the hype but skateboarders still seem to buy it. Compared to all the barely cushioned skate shoes out there today the Lunarlon shoes are relatively plush - but compared to the impact protection on your basic turn of the century DVS, DC, Vans!, or even Nike - the Lunarlon shoes have way less foot protection, since they are just insoles sitting on a plain rubber sole (excepting the BA, P. Rod 8, and Gato). True, those shoes needed break-in time, but it's not like people couldn't skate in them.
Nike is just laughing it's way to the bank because people are paying more money for a shoe that's simpler and cheaper to make than a Nike 6.0 they would have sold for $50 five years ago.
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Why is this such a big deal to you guys? Reading this is a giant headache. I am honored Nike (biggest sports brand on earth) wants a part in skateboarding, won't buy em myself but still!
Do whatever you want, so long as it's legal no-one is getting screwed.
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Bummed to see those guys lose a cheque, but there is no way you all liked fallen that much. Those patriots were the alternate version of the shoes with the big DC on the heel! I liked the fortes, but they didn't hold up well at all.
This stuff reminds me of when the IASC(?) tried to bully people into buying pro boards reasoning we'd all be too uninspired without pros to keep skateboarding/progressing. Watching pyramid country/bronze/Johnny Wilson stuff, etc makes me feel like pros just aren't as necessary as they once were. Wasn't zero/fallen pretty ruthless when it came to cutting riders too? I feel bad for Tommy Gunz and maybe some others I'm forgetting, but other than that I couldn't care less. If all the corporate companies leave, Jamie will find a way to come back.
Sorry for ranting. I don't know why I'm so mad at this, but I really can't fathom what affect Fallen had on skating. I like watching the van doren bowl contests, the all city showdowns. Nike lets me watch a Tampa webcast(when I remember). Adidas puts out great street your edits and I'm looking forward to away days. Cons does free workshops in my city for kids on how to shoot videos and build ramps. They also do connect the dots. Even if Nike kills the whole sb program that courthouse will be skateable for a long time. I don't live anywhere near it, but it's still more valuable to me than the existence of fallen
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Bummed to see those guys lose a cheque, but there is no way you all liked fallen that much. Those patriots were the alternate version of the shoes with the big DC on the heel! I liked the fortes, but they didn't hold up well at all.
This stuff reminds me of when the IASC(?) tried to bully people into buying pro boards reasoning we'd all be too uninspired without pros to keep skateboarding/progressing. Watching pyramid country/bronze/Johnny Wilson stuff, etc makes me feel like pros just aren't as necessary as they once were. Wasn't zero/fallen pretty ruthless when it came to cutting riders too? I feel bad for Tommy Gunz and maybe some others I'm forgetting, but other than that I couldn't care less. If all the corporate companies leave, Jamie will find a way to come back.
Sorry for ranting. I don't know why I'm so mad at this, but I really can't fathom what affect Fallen had on skating. I like watching the van doren bowl contests, the all city showdowns. Nike lets me watch a Tampa webcast(when I remember). Adidas puts out great street your edits and I'm looking forward to away days. Cons does free workshops in my city for kids on how to shoot videos and build ramps. They also do connect the dots. Even if Nike kills the whole sb program that courthouse will be skateable for a long time. I don't live anywhere near it, but it's still more valuable to me than the existence of fallen
Yep... Fallen is the most "who cares?" exit from skateboarding I can remember.
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Why is this such a big deal to you guys? Reading this is a giant headache. I am honored Nike (biggest sports brand on earth) wants a part in skateboarding, won't buy em myself but still! �
Do whatever you want, so long as it's legal no-one is getting screwed.
But people are getting screwed ???
Dudes just lost their jobs and sponsorships so what you said doesn't make sense.
Plus, shops are closing because of Nike. Which I know people will argue that shops are responsible too, but still there is a lot evidence that Nike interference correlates with shops closing.
The way I see it, no one should be honored that Nike is in skateboarding unless you're getting their paychecks. Even then you know the checks come with a grain of salt.
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How the fuck you going to put Chris Troy on then basically just decided no more fallen? If he got a pro shoe I would of kept fallen alive on my own
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It's page 6: How has this picture not been posted yet?
http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/JamieThomas_BryceKanights_OllieBarefoot_Gap.jpg
(http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo144/fotns1/barefoot.jpg) (http://s370.photobucket.com/user/fotns1/media/barefoot.jpg.html)
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They need to come out with some tech shit that actually competes with lunarlon
Lunarlon is for running, it's not gonna make you skate any better unless you buy in to the whole placebo effect. I'd rather have System G2 or STI Evolution foam which have already been in skating since before the nike Koston 1. I agree about the lynx though, that reissue was ass.
Please explain the System G2 and STI Evolution foam to me, since it seems you are very knowledgeable about both of them.� I'm pretty sure you're buying into your own "placebo effect".
You can find all the information you need on stilab.com/ (http://stilab.com/) The point is I'm saying I would rather buy what people have already skated than a pair of $100 Nike SB Paul Rodriguez with 360 degrees of IMPACT READY! protection.
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So I had this tap open in the background for at least a good day, since it was still in page 4. I had my rant in my head, had a rant while skating with a buddy (and he was ranting as well), but all I can say is that we should take this as a lesson to learn. The DONT DO IT campaign of the 2000s got to me and I understood every bit of it (probably because I was listening to a lot of punk at the time). I've had a few pairs of Fallens, but I've also had a few pairs of Emericas, eS, Lakai, DVS, etc. IPath Cats, yep. Actually I think I've had like 4 or 5 pairs of Fallens, the last one being the Slashs that changed colors on the flick area in the suede over time. Its not too hard to guess that in 2008 - 2009 I was wearing the troopers, rippers, and had those purple cheif mids lol.... ah man.
We aren't just the ones to blame also. You can point at your buddy who wears Nikes all the time to skate, but its the whole damn line up to the pros that advertise it. Kids are easily influenced, and not only when his favourite pro skater is wearing Janoskis, the local ripper is also wearing Janoskis, kids will be kids and they will want to mimic. And by the time they grow up enough to know whether they want to support skater-owned brands, it will be too late since all the shoes will be jsut the corporate ones, and the only option they really have is to support the brands that started in skateboarding, which is just Vans and DC. DC is pretty much only alive thanks to their motorcross, rally, and snowboard shit.
As far as the Team.... I can see Dickson and Slash going to Emerica, but I heard they hate each other so dunno, Tommy and Dane will probably end up on Dekline or Vans if lucky. Well I'm happy enough to have met and hang out with them while they were in Thailand for the Road Less Traveled tour. Celebrated Tony Cervantes' birthday and blazed with Tommy and Jimmy Carlin (he got off Fallen like 4 weeks after that).
I filmed their demo at the old skatepark (before they redesigned the whole thing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WPCi4GY7p8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WPCi4GY7p8)
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Ride the Sky was / is fucking gnarly.
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Why is this such a big deal to you guys? Reading this is a giant headache. I am honored Nike (biggest sports brand on earth) wants a part in skateboarding, won't buy em myself but still! �
Do whatever you want, so long as it's legal no-one is getting screwed.
But people are getting screwed �???
Dudes just lost their jobs and sponsorships so what you said doesn't make sense.
Plus, shops are closing because of Nike. Which I know people will argue that shops are responsible too, but still there is a lot evidence that Nike interference correlates with shops closing.
The way I see it, no one should be honored that Nike is in skateboarding unless you're getting their paychecks. Even then you know the checks come with a grain of salt.
So it would be better if Nike shut down its skate program and fires it's 30 person skate team and large staff including some skating legends than fallen cut its 8 team members or whatever and presumably small staff? Not to mention the 100s on flow. I don't think fallen sponsors anyone in my area.
I don't like how people equate the demise of a crap company to the demise of skating. Surely this won't affect our want/will to skate
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They need to come out with some tech shit that actually competes with lunarlon
Lunarlon is for running, it's not gonna make you skate any better unless you buy in to the whole placebo effect. I'd rather have System G2 or STI Evolution foam which have already been in skating since before the nike Koston 1. I agree about the lynx though, that reissue was ass.
g2 was in the reynold 3's and I had about 5 pairs of them and they skated amazing. I had koston's first shoe and the lunar gatos and I wasn't really impressed. I never skated suede lunar cons though but I don't see why every nike cupsole except dunks feature some kind of bullshit that makes them cost $130
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Tommy and Dane will probably end up on Dekline or Vans if lucky.
Dekline has been dead for awhile now dude.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TuEdU_lrtZk
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if you buy any of the big corpo brands, you have blood on your hands. if you ride/work for them, you're drenched in it.
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Tommy and Dane will probably end up on Dekline or Vans if lucky.
Dekline has been dead for awhile now dude.
Im fucking slow on news. Ah well.
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Why is this such a big deal to you guys? Reading this is a giant headache. I am honored Nike (biggest sports brand on earth) wants a part in skateboarding, won't buy em myself but still! �
Do whatever you want, so long as it's legal no-one is getting screwed.
But people are getting screwed �???
Dudes just lost their jobs and sponsorships so what you said doesn't make sense.
Plus, shops are closing because of Nike. Which I know people will argue that shops are responsible too, but still there is a lot evidence that Nike interference correlates with shops closing.
The way I see it, no one should be honored that Nike is in skateboarding unless you're getting their paychecks. Even then you know the checks come with a grain of salt.
So it would be better if Nike shut down its skate program and fires it's 30 person skate team and large staff including some skating legends than fallen cut its 8 team members or whatever and presumably small staff? Not to mention the 100s on flow. I don't think fallen sponsors anyone in my area.
I don't like how people equate the demise of a crap company to the demise of skating. Surely this won't affect our want/will to skate
Yup... then divide up the 30+ PRO's on the squad... back into skate shoe companies. Now you have multiple brands on the shelves.. pushing multiple PRO shoes per brand. Way more people eating, way more doors opening, and a lot more glass ceilings breaking for pro skaters. How long is Ishods name going to be on that dunk, or Coreys name on his shoe? These guys going to have longevity within Nike? Multiple shoes? 10-15 different shoes through out the years? who's next, Luan, Shane, Theotis, Guy, Malto, Bobby, Alex..... who's next? Years are flying by... There is a bunch of people on that team that deserve a pro shoe. Not a color way, not "name on a shoe for a year"...
Some of these dudes need to be the icons of brands and products that carry their names for a long time. Instead they are sitting waiting patiently... false hope.
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boom.
even though i get Zurgs point, both with fallen being kind of out of the loop and not that important anymore (their last 2, 3 lines majorly increased in quality though), Kalis kind of hit the nail on the head.
i doubt that a regular pro model on another brand would make those guys as much money as a colorway on nike though. might be wrong here, but kidna feels that way.
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wasn't the don't do it campaign started by consolidated? I'm drunk and could be wrong but Im pretty sure they were the ones who started it, which is amazing because Consolidated is the shit.
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wasn't the don't do it campaign started by consolidated? I'm drunk and could be wrong but Im pretty sure they were the ones who started it, which is amazing because Consolidated is the shit.
Yep.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5101/5786419597_732f742c87_b.jpg)
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Why is this such a big deal to you guys? Reading this is a giant headache. I am honored Nike (biggest sports brand on earth) wants a part in skateboarding, won't buy em myself but still! �
Do whatever you want, so long as it's legal no-one is getting screwed.
But people are getting screwed �???
Dudes just lost their jobs and sponsorships so what you said doesn't make sense.
Plus, shops are closing because of Nike. Which I know people will argue that shops are responsible too, but still there is a lot evidence that Nike interference correlates with shops closing.
The way I see it, no one should be honored that Nike is in skateboarding unless you're getting their paychecks. Even then you know the checks come with a grain of salt.
So it would be better if Nike shut down its skate program and fires it's 30 person skate team and large staff including some skating legends than fallen cut its 8 team members or whatever and presumably small staff? Not to mention the 100s on flow. I don't think fallen sponsors anyone in my area.
I don't like how people equate the demise of a crap company to the demise of skating. Surely this won't affect our want/will to skate
are you joking? this is the most pathetic logic ever! so in the same manner, macdonald's is a good thing to exist because they employ so many rad people and if they go out of business all these employees are going to lose their jobs. no mention on all the businesses that macdonalds shut down in the proccess (in the same way nike shuts down other brands), so that they could get to where they are now. fuck nike, their riders will surely be hired by some other company if they are that good. maybe macdonalds or starbucks can take them
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Fuck Nike, Adidas and New Balance. That is all.
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http://www.skate-the-planet.com/articles/dontdoit.html (http://www.skate-the-planet.com/articles/dontdoit.html)
i remember reading the last picture shown in this article when i was young af. it pretty much forged my political ideology. it made me feel good to be a skater and showed me how we (skaters) used to be different to generic sports jocks, by not falling into the corporate trap. this whole idea was decorated by amazing figures like koston, mariano and some others. i dont feel betrayed by those fags' life choices, i just feel disappointed because i thought skateboarding as the last fortress to hold against mainstream bullshit. skaters used to be punks in some sort of way. now, most are shauwn pooers copycats with a huge lack of eclecticism that is proven even more by the presence of trap in skate vids.
though nike > trap
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You want to keep seeing Soletec, DC or Lakai products in your local shop?
You'd better pass on those Nike sb/Adidas/Cons shoe sales that make you buy shoes that you don't even need in whatever online shop super deal.
Sure Nike SB/Adidas/Cons make shoes that last a while, have incredible teams and promote the shit of their products; but if you don't want to see other brands like Soletec, DC or Lakai disappear, you'd better buy less corporate shoes on sale and buy only shoes when you actually need shoes of a brand you actually want to push.
You guys complaining at Nike or whatever corporation are in fact complaining about savage capitalism.
It's not Adidas or Nike fault, they are playing the money game following the rules.
You should complain about the rules of the game instead of the players of the game.
What you see with those brand like Dekline, Fallen etc... is what is happening everyday within other industries: grocery shops Vs Wallmart; local restaurants Vs big fast food companies ; brick and mortar shops Vs Online shops ; Western factories Vs Asian factories.
We as consumers are the main responsibles of what is happening.
Nowadays the quality isn't even a big difference between Corporate Vs "Core" shoes, but yeah Lakai or Soletec cannot afford to run a skatepark in NYC or sponsor half of the NYC scene, or help cool brands like Polar (Cons), Magenta (Adidas) or Skate Mental (Nike). It's a marketing war, and when you see your favorite skaters wearing nikes 100 times a day while only seeing lakais once or twice, at the end of the day you want to buy Nikes.
I'm kind of hypocrite because I'm skating Adidas Superstar ADV at the moment (great shoes btw), but from now I'll try to pass on Nike/CONS and Adidas.
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It's hard reading everyones stuff so sorry if this has been said, but I wear only Hufs at the moment and I think what keeps them around is having altamont group around....From what I read, they are just investors for Huf which means they put money into projects and ideas. Which inturn gives you a quality product....I've skated the galaxy for example which is a busenitz rip off, but it is a great rip off and lets me be able to support a skate company without destroying my feet, same with the classic, converse rip off, but again it actually preforms especially the latest ones with the new sole construction. People freakout over these investors, but we forget that Huf is not only smart, but would never let someone ruin his idea, or tell him no. Where Fallen, and many other core brands have cut corners, and released these shoes that imo should be ashamed of because they are thin as shit, and unglue so fast you can't even enjoy them. SO with the swoosh, Converse, NB, and adidas making these "great" shoes, we see everyone talking shit about rip off but I would much rather skate huf then nike. So hopefully for the core brands that are still around, wake up and go to investors, make a good deal and when you make good shoes if it is truly great it will show.
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Why is this such a big deal to you guys? Reading this is a giant headache. I am honored Nike (biggest sports brand on earth) wants a part in skateboarding, won't buy em myself but still! �
Do whatever you want, so long as it's legal no-one is getting screwed.
But people are getting screwed �???
Dudes just lost their jobs and sponsorships so what you said doesn't make sense.
Plus, shops are closing because of Nike. Which I know people will argue that shops are responsible too, but still there is a lot evidence that Nike interference correlates with shops closing.
The way I see it, no one should be honored that Nike is in skateboarding unless you're getting their paychecks. Even then you know the checks come with a grain of salt.
So it would be better if Nike shut down its skate program and fires it's 30 person skate team and large staff including some skating legends than fallen cut its 8 team members or whatever and presumably small staff? Not to mention the 100s on flow. I don't think fallen sponsors anyone in my area.
I don't like how people equate the demise of a crap company to the demise of skating. Surely this won't affect our want/will to skate
Yup... then divide up the 30+ PRO's on the squad... back into skate shoe companies. Now you have multiple brands on the shelves.. pushing multiple PRO shoes per brand. Way more people eating, way more doors opening, and a lot more glass ceilings breaking for pro skaters. How long is Ishods name going to be on that dunk, or Coreys name on his shoe? These guys going to have longevity within Nike? Multiple shoes? 10-15 different shoes through out the years? who's next, Luan, Shane, Theotis, Guy, Malto, Bobby, Alex..... who's next? Years are flying by... There is a bunch of people on that team that deserve a pro shoe. Not a color way, not "name on a shoe for a year"...
Some of these dudes need to be the icons of brands and products that carry their names for a long time. Instead they are sitting waiting patiently... false hope.
I have also thought of this too. How Shane, Luan, or Malto don't have a signature shoe is insane. It's as bad as Carlos Ribeiro being on Chocolate blackhole flow for years.
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Why is this such a big deal to you guys? Reading this is a giant headache. I am honored Nike (biggest sports brand on earth) wants a part in skateboarding, won't buy em myself but still!
Do whatever you want, so long as it's legal no-one is getting screwed.
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wasn't the don't do it campaign started by consolidated? I'm drunk and could be wrong but Im pretty sure they were the ones who started it, which is amazing because Consolidated is the shit.
Yep.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5101/5786419597_732f742c87_b.jpg)
In related Consolidated shoe news, they're releasing another shoe poking at Nike.
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o614/babidiboo/consolidated%20bs3.jpg)
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Why is this such a big deal to you guys? Reading this is a giant headache. I am honored Nike (biggest sports brand on earth) wants a part in skateboarding, won't buy em myself but still! �
Do whatever you want, so long as it's legal no-one is getting screwed.
But people are getting screwed �???
Dudes just lost their jobs and sponsorships so what you said doesn't make sense.
Plus, shops are closing because of Nike. Which I know people will argue that shops are responsible too, but still there is a lot evidence that Nike interference correlates with shops closing.
The way I see it, no one should be honored that Nike is in skateboarding unless you're getting their paychecks. Even then you know the checks come with a grain of salt.
So it would be better if Nike shut down its skate program and fires it's 30 person skate team and large staff including some skating legends than fallen cut its 8 team members or whatever and presumably small staff? Not to mention the 100s on flow. I don't think fallen sponsors anyone in my area.
I don't like how people equate the demise of a crap company to the demise of skating. Surely this won't affect our want/will to skate
Yup... then divide up the 30+ PRO's on the squad... back into skate shoe companies. Now you have multiple brands on the shelves.. pushing multiple PRO shoes per brand. Way more people eating, way more doors opening, and a lot more glass ceilings breaking for pro skaters. How long is Ishods name going to be on that dunk, or Coreys name on his shoe? These guys going to have longevity within Nike? Multiple shoes? 10-15 different shoes through out the years? who's next, Luan, Shane, Theotis, Guy, Malto, Bobby, Alex..... who's next? Years are flying by... There is a bunch of people on that team that deserve a pro shoe. Not a color way, not "name on a shoe for a year"...
Some of these dudes need to be the icons of brands and products that carry their names for a long time. Instead they are sitting waiting patiently... false hope.
This is a great point. Monopolies generally aren't good for any industry. Definitely not skateboarding.
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Why is this such a big deal to you guys? Reading this is a giant headache. I am honored Nike (biggest sports brand on earth) wants a part in skateboarding, won't buy em myself but still! �
Do whatever you want, so long as it's legal no-one is getting screwed.
But people are getting screwed �???
Dudes just lost their jobs and sponsorships so what you said doesn't make sense.
Plus, shops are closing because of Nike. Which I know people will argue that shops are responsible too, but still there is a lot evidence that Nike interference correlates with shops closing.
The way I see it, no one should be honored that Nike is in skateboarding unless you're getting their paychecks. Even then you know the checks come with a grain of salt.
So it would be better if Nike shut down its skate program and fires it's 30 person skate team and large staff including some skating legends than fallen cut its 8 team members or whatever and presumably small staff? Not to mention the 100s on flow. I don't think fallen sponsors anyone in my area.
I don't like how people equate the demise of a crap company to the demise of skating. Surely this won't affect our want/will to skate
Yup... then divide up the 30+ PRO's on the squad... back into skate shoe companies. Now you have multiple brands on the shelves.. pushing multiple PRO shoes per brand. Way more people eating, way more doors opening, and a lot more glass ceilings breaking for pro skaters. How long is Ishods name going to be on that dunk, or Coreys name on his shoe? These guys going to have longevity within Nike? Multiple shoes? 10-15 different shoes through out the years? who's next, Luan, Shane, Theotis, Guy, Malto, Bobby, Alex..... who's next? Years are flying by... There is a bunch of people on that team that deserve a pro shoe. Not a color way, not "name on a shoe for a year"...
Some of these dudes need to be the icons of brands and products that carry their names for a long time. Instead they are sitting waiting patiently... false hope.
Playing devil's advocate here - so Nike releases it's 30 team pros, and they go back to "skate shoe companies"...how do these brands make room on the payroll for Koston, for Guy, for Corey, for Shane? What happens to the lesser knowns that are currently on these brands? Is DC going to find extra money just to take on more names? Or is DC going to make room by cutting riders with a less marketable name? It takes a ton of time to generate revenue off of a pro model shoe, out of an already over-saturated market, so please don't think they'll make the money up right away (if at all). What happens with all of the artificial sales from non-skateboarders when Nike pulls the plug?
Even releasing 10-15 of these big names back into the shoe market, would cause huge disruption for the rest of the team riders on the skate-owned brands. And what about the Nike riders that were encouraged to leave more established board brands for something more boutique? How do those guys offset the lack of the Nike check when they leave?
To address the Nike pro shoe dilemma, do you think maybe some of those guys just don't want their name on a shoe? Not like I know, but maybe Malto, Theotis and Shane are totally fine with just getting shoes, getting a steady payment, and skating without having to worry about whether or not their design/signature on a shoe performs. Maybe they aren't just sitting, waiting patiently, and that's a responsibility they don't care about.
This doesn't even touch the topic of staff, like Zurg mentioned. How many former Fallen, former Vans, former Lakai...etc. staff members have found employment with Nike? What happens if Nike pulls the plug? Is DC suddenly going to create new jobs for these designers, sales reps, and warehouse management?
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SB makes more shops thrive than close, they set you up for success. If you are running a business and can't figure it out that's not SB's problem.
Not one of you would say shit to any of the team riders / employees face to face.
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Why is this such a big deal to you guys? Reading this is a giant headache. I am honored Nike (biggest sports brand on earth) wants a part in skateboarding, won't buy em myself but still! �
Do whatever you want, so long as it's legal no-one is getting screwed.
But people are getting screwed �???
Dudes just lost their jobs and sponsorships so what you said doesn't make sense.
Plus, shops are closing because of Nike. Which I know people will argue that shops are responsible too, but still there is a lot evidence that Nike interference correlates with shops closing.
The way I see it, no one should be honored that Nike is in skateboarding unless you're getting their paychecks. Even then you know the checks come with a grain of salt.
So it would be better if Nike shut down its skate program and fires it's 30 person skate team and large staff including some skating legends than fallen cut its 8 team members or whatever and presumably small staff? Not to mention the 100s on flow. I don't think fallen sponsors anyone in my area.
I don't like how people equate the demise of a crap company to the demise of skating. Surely this won't affect our want/will to skate
Yup... then divide up the 30+ PRO's on the squad... back into skate shoe companies. Now you have multiple brands on the shelves.. pushing multiple PRO shoes per brand. Way more people eating, way more doors opening, and a lot more glass ceilings breaking for pro skaters. How long is Ishods name going to be on that dunk, or Coreys name on his shoe? These guys going to have longevity within Nike? Multiple shoes? 10-15 different shoes through out the years? who's next, Luan, Shane, Theotis, Guy, Malto, Bobby, Alex..... who's next? Years are flying by... There is a bunch of people on that team that deserve a pro shoe. Not a color way, not "name on a shoe for a year"...
Some of these dudes need to be the icons of brands and products that carry their names for a long time. Instead they are sitting waiting patiently... false hope.
Playing devil's advocate here - so Nike releases it's 30 team pros, and they go back to "skate shoe companies"...how do these brands make room on the payroll for Koston, for Guy, for Corey, for Shane? What happens to the lesser knowns that are currently on these brands? Is DC going to find extra money just to take on more names? Or is DC going to make room by cutting riders with a less marketable name? It takes a ton of time to generate revenue off of a pro model shoe, out of an already over-saturated market, so please don't think they'll make the money up right away (if at all). What happens with all of the artificial sales from non-skateboarders when Nike pulls the plug?
Even releasing 10-15 of these big names back into the shoe market, would cause huge disruption for the rest of the team riders on the skate-owned brands. And what about the Nike riders that were encouraged to leave more established board brands for something more boutique? How do those guys offset the lack of the Nike check when they leave?
To address the Nike pro shoe dilemma, do you think maybe some of those guys just don't want their name on a shoe? Not like I know, but maybe Malto, Theotis and Shane are totally fine with just getting shoes, getting a steady payment, and skating without having to worry about whether or not their design/signature on a shoe performs. Maybe they aren't just sitting, waiting patiently, and that's a responsibility they don't care about.
This doesn't even touch the topic of staff, like Zurg mentioned. How many former Fallen, former Vans, former Lakai...etc. staff members have found employment with Nike? What happens if Nike pulls the plug? Is DC suddenly going to create new jobs for these designers, sales reps, and warehouse management?
Dudes would have to quit... nobody wants to get released.. and nobody wants to see these guys not get paid.
Same goes for the staff. They all know what they are doing.. and i would bet they all feel like shit while doing it.
I would even guess its getting frustrating in that building... knowing nothing stays true in a corporate structure...
The good Employees getting moved, split up, less freedom, having to explain "why", biting tongues, ect.
There truly is no justification.... there isn't. Its all justified by a temporary "at least they get paid" moment of time.. but we all know this trend isn't going to last forever.. it never does.. but when the "cycle" dips out of their favor.... its going to change and a lot of patient people are going to get shafted.
But your right... it might be too late..... there really isn't many places to go anymore. The whole infrastructure needs to be rebuilt. Its taken a beating... Not many places left.
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Fallen out of business, Dekline out of business. Someone should just make a company called "Decrease" and see how long that lasts.
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Fuck the corporate shoes companies meddling in our shit.
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We are our own enemy. The Skate Shop infrastructure has done this to themselves. We are so quick to shout "SELL OUT" whenever a pair of Huf's are spotted on a wal mart marketplace website, so quick to diss Lakai for having shoes in Ross Dress for Less, etc. Skate shops preach "Support skater owned! Support your local shop!" while they stock more Nikes and Cons than anything else. What am I supposed to pick? The new Suciu shoe or a Circa shoe that's been sitting on the wall for 3 years?
The whole system is fucked and we are made to feel guilty about it. It isn't our fault. Our money is not guaranteed to you just because you make shoes specifically for skateboarding. I do not have any allegiance to a shoe company.
Step up your video game, step up your shoe game, do something fucking different and capture the market. Convince your team not to quit for Nike money. Put on a guy with a questionable board sponsor. Put Bobby Worrest on when he just filmed an entire part at Pulaski only in your shoes.
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Why is this such a big deal to you guys? Reading this is a giant headache. I am honored Nike (biggest sports brand on earth) wants a part in skateboarding, won't buy em myself but still! �
Do whatever you want, so long as it's legal no-one is getting screwed.
But people are getting screwed �???
Dudes just lost their jobs and sponsorships so what you said doesn't make sense.
Plus, shops are closing because of Nike. Which I know people will argue that shops are responsible too, but still there is a lot evidence that Nike interference correlates with shops closing.
The way I see it, no one should be honored that Nike is in skateboarding unless you're getting their paychecks. Even then you know the checks come with a grain of salt.
So it would be better if Nike shut down its skate program and fires it's 30 person skate team and large staff including some skating legends than fallen cut its 8 team members or whatever and presumably small staff? Not to mention the 100s on flow. I don't think fallen sponsors anyone in my area.
I don't like how people equate the demise of a crap company to the demise of skating. Surely this won't affect our want/will to skate
Yup... then divide up the 30+ PRO's on the squad... back into skate shoe companies. Now you have multiple brands on the shelves.. pushing multiple PRO shoes per brand. Way more people eating, way more doors opening, and a lot more glass ceilings breaking for pro skaters. How long is Ishods name going to be on that dunk, or Coreys name on his shoe? These guys going to have longevity within Nike? Multiple shoes? 10-15 different shoes through out the years? who's next, Luan, Shane, Theotis, Guy, Malto, Bobby, Alex..... who's next? Years are flying by... There is a bunch of people on that team that deserve a pro shoe. Not a color way, not "name on a shoe for a year"...
Some of these dudes need to be the icons of brands and products that carry their names for a long time. Instead they are sitting waiting patiently... false hope.
This is where most consumers are in the dark and you can probably enlighten us. What are the financial implications of riding for nike? Are these guys getting 3/4 times what they would get on Fallen or Emerica? Is the standard non-pro shoe deal on Nike better than having a decent selling pro shoe on DC in financial terms?
I don't doubt that in a few years nike may shaft a lot of their pros but what is it that attracts so many pros to nike at the moment? Is it solely money or are there other reasons too?
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Skateboarding has gotten to a point where it's unbreakable. We all know this. The "core" skateboarders want to say it's the big corp's fault, and that its fickle cycle goes in waves of popularity. The close niche bubble has popped and it's no longer ours, unless we actually make an effort to change it. But it all boils down to quality... if they make better shoes, they are gonna be more successful. Capitalism is the name of the game, and if you can't get with the times, you're gonna fail. But the more positive side to this is that there is always a downfall in popularity, and Nike/others will bail quicker than anyone else.
Besides, it's fucking shoes... that's something everyone uses.. don't get mad over something like that.
If nike started making boards, then I would be pissed.
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Why is this such a big deal to you guys? Reading this is a giant headache. I am honored Nike (biggest sports brand on earth) wants a part in skateboarding, won't buy em myself but still! �
Do whatever you want, so long as it's legal no-one is getting screwed.
But people are getting screwed �???
Dudes just lost their jobs and sponsorships so what you said doesn't make sense.
Plus, shops are closing because of Nike. Which I know people will argue that shops are responsible too, but still there is a lot evidence that Nike interference correlates with shops closing.
The way I see it, no one should be honored that Nike is in skateboarding unless you're getting their paychecks. Even then you know the checks come with a grain of salt.
So it would be better if Nike shut down its skate program and fires it's 30 person skate team and large staff including some skating legends than fallen cut its 8 team members or whatever and presumably small staff? Not to mention the 100s on flow. I don't think fallen sponsors anyone in my area.
I don't like how people equate the demise of a crap company to the demise of skating. Surely this won't affect our want/will to skate
Yup... then divide up the 30+ PRO's on the squad... back into skate shoe companies. Now you have multiple brands on the shelves.. pushing multiple PRO shoes per brand. Way more people eating, way more doors opening, and a lot more glass ceilings breaking for pro skaters. How long is Ishods name going to be on that dunk, or Coreys name on his shoe? These guys going to have longevity within Nike? Multiple shoes? 10-15 different shoes through out the years? who's next, Luan, Shane, Theotis, Guy, Malto, Bobby, Alex..... who's next? Years are flying by... There is a bunch of people on that team that deserve a pro shoe. Not a color way, not "name on a shoe for a year"...
Some of these dudes need to be the icons of brands and products that carry their names for a long time. Instead they are sitting waiting patiently... false hope.
Playing devil's advocate here - so Nike releases it's 30 team pros, and they go back to "skate shoe companies"...how do these brands make room on the payroll for Koston, for Guy, for Corey, for Shane? What happens to the lesser knowns that are currently on these brands? Is DC going to find extra money just to take on more names? Or is DC going to make room by cutting riders with a less marketable name? It takes a ton of time to generate revenue off of a pro model shoe, out of an already over-saturated market, so please don't think they'll make the money up right away (if at all). What happens with all of the artificial sales from non-skateboarders when Nike pulls the plug?
Even releasing 10-15 of these big names back into the shoe market, would cause huge disruption for the rest of the team riders on the skate-owned brands. And what about the Nike riders that were encouraged to leave more established board brands for something more boutique? How do those guys offset the lack of the Nike check when they leave?
To address the Nike pro shoe dilemma, do you think maybe some of those guys just don't want their name on a shoe? Not like I know, but maybe Malto, Theotis and Shane are totally fine with just getting shoes, getting a steady payment, and skating without having to worry about whether or not their design/signature on a shoe performs. Maybe they aren't just sitting, waiting patiently, and that's a responsibility they don't care about.
This doesn't even touch the topic of staff, like Zurg mentioned. How many former Fallen, former Vans, former Lakai...etc. staff members have found employment with Nike? What happens if Nike pulls the plug? Is DC suddenly going to create new jobs for these designers, sales reps, and warehouse management?
Dudes would have to quit... nobody wants to get released.. and nobody wants to see these guys not get paid.
Same goes for the staff. They all know what they are doing.. and i would bet they all feel like shit while doing it.
I would even guess its getting frustrating in that building... knowing nothing stays true in a corporate structure...
The good Employees getting moved, split up, less freedom, having to explain "why", biting tongues, ect.
There truly is no justification.... there isn't. Its all justified by a temporary "at least they get paid" moment of time.. but we all know this trend isn't going to last forever.. it never does.. but when the "cycle" dips out of their favor.... its going to change and a lot of patient people are going to get shafted.
But your right... it might be too late..... there really isn't many places to go anymore. The whole infrastructure needs to be rebuilt. Its taken a beating... Not many places left.
Even if all, or half of the pro's for Nike quit of their own terms - that's still a healthy amount of guys that are used to a certain income, a certain lifestyle, and we both know that the only way any team can afford it, would be sacrificing team riders to make room. Loyalty isn't a currency that any brand uses - skater-owned or not. What happens if Shane and Ishod start talking to DC about coming onboard, and DC doesn't have the money to keep everybody? Does MikeMo or Davis get a pay cut? Do they get cut altogether? Maybe they start looking at marketability, and in corporate speak, who "will lead them into the next era of growth"?
The trend isn't going to last forever. It's volatile, and there are dips and gains. And of course we all like the "Well, at least so and so is getting a check while they can" argument. It's growing into a potential problem because a lot of professionals, both in skateboarding and in the staff, have now built a dependency on Nike. And honestly, this is a problem for the industry, and for you, not us.
Whether or not Nike exists in skateboarding, it doesn't effect me, it doesn't effect any kid doing kickflips in their driveway. Skateboarding is the same for the majority of people. It only effects the people who get paid by skateboarding. Consumers aren't to blame with this. The professionals and industry icons that said "Hey we're OK with Nike!" are to blame. But again, those are the people that will get hung out to dry when and if Nike moves on, so it really doesn't effect any of us on here at all.
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Skateboarding is yours and yours alone. Buy whatever you want.
When skateboarding was in its dark days it was just fine, same as the shit show now, skate or dont. It your choice.
And dgkalis its funny you are chiming in cashing those DC cheques bud. DC is corny as fuck at times too. They do the same shit to survive/thrive. If you asked me 15 years ago if DC would have huuuge budgets to shut shit down in dubai to have Ken Block drive a fuckin rally car I woulda slapped you.
Im not a huge nike fan so I rarely buy their shit. But the only wack thing Ive heard of them doing is pressuring skateshops.
That is fuckin regular.
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Dudes would have to quit... nobody wants to get released.. and nobody wants to see these guys not get paid.
Same goes for the staff. They all know what they are doing.. and i would bet they all feel like shit while doing it.
I would even guess its getting frustrating in that building... knowing nothing stays true in a corporate structure...
The good Employees getting moved, split up, less freedom, having to explain "why", biting tongues, ect.
There truly is no justification.... there isn't. Its all justified by a temporary "at least they get paid" moment of time.. but we all know this trend isn't going to last forever.. it never does.. but when the "cycle" dips out of their favor.... its going to change and a lot of patient people are going to get shafted.
But your right... it might be too late..... there really isn't many places to go anymore. The whole infrastructure needs to be rebuilt. Its taken a beating... Not many places left.
With all due respect, this can all be filed under: Being an adult and working for a living.
So fucking what some guy that chose skateboarding as a "career" is hanging on by a thread. Watch me while I yawn. So fucking what. Pick up a fucking newspaper, go back to Philly some time. The world we live is in hanging by a fucking thread. My old man worked in the foundry supporting his family for decades only to have his job outsourced overseas. Bye! Thanks for your service! I have friends I went to college with in various industries that are hanging on by a thread. The economy and world we live in is FUCKED UP. Skateboarders act like they should be allowed to live in a bubble their entire lives and immune to real world problems. Plumbers, mechanics, mailmen, you name it. They are all living with the same pressure. Join me in reality.
To Canadian Suit's post - couldn't agree more. Make a good product and market to more than just some 15 year old Insane Clown Posse fan. Screw Fallen. They never marketed to me, nor ever made a pair of shoes that compelled me to "rep" them. Oh, ok - Here guys! Take all my hard earned money even though you don't want me wearing your shit! because you know, you are skater owned! If its skater owned you KNOW it's good! :jerkit
Laugh out fucking loud some of you nitwits blaming Nike for Fallen's demise. Pure Slaptard gold. Even if Nike wasn't a thing I'd never in a million years put Fallen garbage on my feet.
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The ideal scenario would be that guys like PROD or Busenitz would start their own shoe brands and grow from there, just like it happened in the 90's. But, I don't see that happening unless they get the boot, it must be alot of stress to manage a skate career while running a shoe business.
Why doesn't DGKALIS sell his cars and start a core shoe brand ?
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Not for nothing, but the shoe brands (core or skater owned or corporate, whatever) that are successful are the brands that actually marketed their products OUTSIDE of just skateboarding. Now, call it what you will, but that is what has made companies like DC and Etnies be competitive and successful, and why brands like eS or Emerica, etc NOT as successful. (the brands are examples, not calling them out).
The thing is this. You CAN be skater owned and be successful, you just have to understand that not only skateboarders have feet. And if you are only marketing your product to skateboarders, you're pretty much pigeon-holing yourself into a tiny, fickle market that's constantly changing due to fashion trends, etc.
Call it what you will, but it's the truth. And as a result, companies like DC are able to pay the Kalis', the Mike Mo's and other well know names a decent salary, etc.
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Put Bobby Worrest on when he just filmed an entire part at Pulaski only in your shoes.
(http://45.media.tumblr.com/dcc836ce8827a3e180e445d42b8cbe33/tumblr_nk4mthot9l1qg7pcno1_500.gif)
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I don't doubt that in a few years nike may shaft a lot of their pros
that would actually make them pretty "core"*
(http://skately.com/img/library/logos/large/es-shoes.png)
plenty of corpo-speak here:
http://espn.go.com/action/skateboarding/story/_/id/6864450/sole-technology-puts-és-footwear-temporary-hiatus (http://espn.go.com/action/skateboarding/story/_/id/6864450/sole-technology-puts-és-footwear-temporary-hiatus)
"Don Brown, Sole Tech's Senior Vice President of Marketing vowed that all rider contracts would be honored, alluding that riders may be reabsorbed into the remaining two skate footwear brand teams."
can anyone name anyone who went from ES to Emerica or Etnies when ES dumped their team?
*also worrest related
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http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/04/13/jamie-thomas-on-the-demise-of-fallen-footwear/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/04/13/jamie-thomas-on-the-demise-of-fallen-footwear/)
If you had a new skate shoe brand would you ever consider having Forrest Edwards being the “lead” pro?
[Laughs] Forrest is an amazing skateboarder and a funny ass dude, but he’s not a leader.
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http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/04/13/jamie-thomas-on-the-demise-of-fallen-footwear/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/04/13/jamie-thomas-on-the-demise-of-fallen-footwear/)
If you had a new skate shoe brand would you ever consider having Forrest Edwards being the �lead� pro?
[Laughs] Forrest is an amazing skateboarder and a funny ass dude, but he�s not a leader.
Lol that was kind of a loaded question. Harsh response but it's true. I respect Jamie for telling it like it is.
Jamie wants to be on Vans! That would be weird, but maybe it would seem ok after a year or so.
Good read, well articulated thoughts. You can tell this has been on this dudes mind for awhile.
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Lol that was kind of a loaded question. Harsh response but it's true. I respect Jamie for telling it like it is.
Jamie wants to be on Vans! That would be weird, but maybe it would seem ok after a year or so.
Good read, well articulated thoughts. You can tell this has been on this dudes mind for awhile.
Couldn't agree more. I have a world of respect for Jamie Thomas. My earlier criticism of Fallen is separated by my respect for him as a man.
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Not for nothing, but the shoe brands (core or skater owned or corporate, whatever) that are successful are the brands that actually marketed their products OUTSIDE of just skateboarding.� Now, call it what you will, but that is what has made companies like DC and Etnies be competitive and successful, and why brands like eS or Emerica, etc NOT as successful.� (the brands are examples, not calling them out).
The thing is this.� You CAN be skater owned and be successful, you just have to understand that not only skateboarders have feet.� And if you are only marketing your product to skateboarders, you're pretty much pigeon-holing yourself into a tiny, fickle market that's constantly changing due to fashion trends, etc.�
Call it what you will, but it's the truth.� And as a result, companies like DC are able to pay the Kalis', the Mike Mo's and other well know names a decent salary, etc.�
This is truth.
And that in turn makes it funny to hear kakis viewpoint.
The same shit nike does, DC almost emulates
He and others are cashing in and then bitching about "core" brands.
That doesnt exist in the shoe market.
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Put Bobby Worrest on when he just filmed an entire part at Pulaski only in your shoes.
(http://45.media.tumblr.com/dcc836ce8827a3e180e445d42b8cbe33/tumblr_nk4mthot9l1qg7pcno1_500.gif)
Had to go back and rewatch, fuck that part was loaded. Huf missed an opportunity there.
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Why is this such a big deal to you guys? Reading this is a giant headache. I am honored Nike (biggest sports brand on earth) wants a part in skateboarding, won't buy em myself but still! �
Do whatever you want, so long as it's legal no-one is getting screwed.
But people are getting screwed �???
Dudes just lost their jobs and sponsorships so what you said doesn't make sense.
Plus, shops are closing because of Nike. Which I know people will argue that shops are responsible too, but still there is a lot evidence that Nike interference correlates with shops closing.
The way I see it, no one should be honored that Nike is in skateboarding unless you're getting their paychecks. Even then you know the checks come with a grain of salt.
So it would be better if Nike shut down its skate program and fires it's 30 person skate team and large staff including some skating legends than fallen cut its 8 team members or whatever and presumably small staff? Not to mention the 100s on flow. I don't think fallen sponsors anyone in my area.
I don't like how people equate the demise of a crap company to the demise of skating. Surely this won't affect our want/will to skate
Yup... then divide up the 30+ PRO's on the squad... back into skate shoe companies. Now you have multiple brands on the shelves.. pushing multiple PRO shoes per brand. Way more people eating, way more doors opening, and a lot more glass ceilings breaking for pro skaters. How long is Ishods name going to be on that dunk, or Coreys name on his shoe? These guys going to have longevity within Nike? Multiple shoes? 10-15 different shoes through out the years? who's next, Luan, Shane, Theotis, Guy, Malto, Bobby, Alex..... who's next? Years are flying by... There is a bunch of people on that team that deserve a pro shoe. Not a color way, not "name on a shoe for a year"...
Some of these dudes need to be the icons of brands and products that carry their names for a long time. Instead they are sitting waiting patiently... false hope.
Thank you
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I have total respect for Jamie, but Fallen was never very good and it couldn't last forever. Fuck these corporate shoe companies, right? Including the one Jamie held the door open for?
Heritage is right. Go get a job like the rest of us. Playtime is over.
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DC is trying to pick him up, lame.
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Put Bobby Worrest on when he just filmed an entire part at Pulaski only in your shoes.
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Had to go back and rewatch, fuck that part was loaded. Huf missed an opportunity there.
Bobby Worrest: Hometown Turf Killer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N9mjjDY4_0#)
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I said it on the last Fuck Nike thread, and I'm saying it here. If the shops are getting fucked over by Nike, then the shops need to quit buying Nike rider hard goods. It will matter.
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I said it on the last Fuck Nike thread, and I'm saying it here. If the shops are getting fucked over by Nike, then the shops need to quit buying Nike rider hard goods. It will matter.
thats the worst idea ever and would only help to sink small shops while the chain/mall stores survived. tell a shop NOT to sell Grant Taylor AH boards, or Ishod/Brock Real boards, Prod/Shane Primitive boards, Worrest Krooked boards, Malto Girl boards, etc. etc. etc.
C'mon man, you don't HONESTLY think that's a good idea.
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Dudes would have to quit... nobody wants to get released.. and nobody wants to see these guys not get paid.
Same goes for the staff. They all know what they are doing.. and i would bet they all feel like shit while doing it.
I would even guess its getting frustrating in that building... knowing nothing stays true in a corporate structure...
The good Employees getting moved, split up, less freedom, having to explain "why", biting tongues, ect.
There truly is no justification.... there isn't. Its all justified by a temporary "at least they get paid" moment of time.. but we all know this trend isn't going to last forever.. it never does.. but when the "cycle" dips out of their favor.... its going to change and a lot of patient people are going to get shafted.
But your right... it might be too late..... there really isn't many places to go anymore. The whole infrastructure needs to be rebuilt. Its taken a beating... Not many places left.
With all due respect, this can all be filed under: Being an adult and working for a living.
So fucking what some guy that chose skateboarding as a "career" is hanging on by a thread. Watch me while I yawn. So fucking what. Pick up a fucking newspaper, go back to Philly some time. The world we live is in hanging by a fucking thread. My old man worked in the foundry supporting his family for decades only to have his job outsourced overseas. Bye! Thanks for your service! I have friends I went to college with in various industries that are hanging on by a thread. The economy and world we live in is FUCKED UP. Skateboarders act like they should be allowed to live in a bubble their entire lives and immune to real world problems. Plumbers, mechanics, mailmen, you name it. They are all living with the same pressure. Join me in reality.
To Canadian Suit's post - couldn't agree more. Make a good product and market to more than just some 15 year old Insane Clown Posse fan. Screw Fallen. They never marketed to me, nor ever made a pair of shoes that compelled me to "rep" them. Oh, ok - Here guys! Take all my hard earned money even though you don't want me wearing your shit! because you know, you are skater owned! If its skater owned you KNOW it's good! :jerkit
Laugh out fucking loud some of you nitwits blaming Nike for Fallen's demise. Pure Slaptard gold. Even if Nike wasn't a thing I'd never in a million years put Fallen garbage on my feet.
This convo isn't based on any type of personal insults. So it'd be cool if you kept those out of it. "Hanging by a thread?"
Skateboard industry is a bit different. Loyalty and respect play a big part in a companies roll of a pro. Hat a skater does
Within the company AND the desire for the consumer to buy products with his name. Not to mention the representing the brand as a
Whole. Being a pro skater is way deeper than performance level. (For most brands). Affiliation, fan engagement, product design and input, you name it.
Your comment about "hanging on by a thread" means you don't see what happens behind the scenes and how imbedded some pros are in the brands they represent.
It looks like your mentality is for you and you only. "Screw Fallen... Never marketed to me". That's you thinking as a individual. I respect that. But that's not the mentality I have.
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Skateboarding is yours and yours alone. Buy whatever you want.
When skateboarding was in its dark days it was just fine, same as the shit show now, skate or dont. It your choice.
And dgkalis its funny you are chiming in cashing those DC cheques bud. DC is corny as fuck at times too. They do the same shit to survive/thrive. If you asked me 15 years ago if DC would have huuuge budgets to shut shit down in dubai to have Ken Block drive a fuckin rally car I woulda slapped you.
Im not a huge nike fan so I rarely buy their shit. But the only wack thing Ive heard of them doing is pressuring skateshops.
That is fuckin regular.
Lol. "Chasing checks..... ". You got me there!!!!
DC didn't do Dubai.
They were involved in the SF GYmkhana and that shit was sick! I got to witness some of it first hand. Love that shit.
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Why is this such a big deal to you guys? Reading this is a giant headache. I am honored Nike (biggest sports brand on earth) wants a part in skateboarding, won't buy em myself but still! �
Do whatever you want, so long as it's legal no-one is getting screwed.
But people are getting screwed �???
Dudes just lost their jobs and sponsorships so what you said doesn't make sense.
Plus, shops are closing because of Nike. Which I know people will argue that shops are responsible too, but still there is a lot evidence that Nike interference correlates with shops closing.
The way I see it, no one should be honored that Nike is in skateboarding unless you're getting their paychecks. Even then you know the checks come with a grain of salt.
So it would be better if Nike shut down its skate program and fires it's 30 person skate team and large staff including some skating legends than fallen cut its 8 team members or whatever and presumably small staff? Not to mention the 100s on flow. I don't think fallen sponsors anyone in my area.
I don't like how people equate the demise of a crap company to the demise of skating. Surely this won't affect our want/will to skate
Yup... then divide up the 30+ PRO's on the squad... back into skate shoe companies. Now you have multiple brands on the shelves.. pushing multiple PRO shoes per brand. Way more people eating, way more doors opening, and a lot more glass ceilings breaking for pro skaters. How long is Ishods name going to be on that dunk, or Coreys name on his shoe? These guys going to have longevity within Nike? Multiple shoes? 10-15 different shoes through out the years? who's next, Luan, Shane, Theotis, Guy, Malto, Bobby, Alex..... who's next? Years are flying by... There is a bunch of people on that team that deserve a pro shoe. Not a color way, not "name on a shoe for a year"...
Some of these dudes need to be the icons of brands and products that carry their names for a long time. Instead they are sitting waiting patiently... false hope.
Playing devil's advocate here - so Nike releases it's 30 team pros, and they go back to "skate shoe companies"...how do these brands make room on the payroll for Koston, for Guy, for Corey, for Shane? What happens to the lesser knowns that are currently on these brands? Is DC going to find extra money just to take on more names? Or is DC going to make room by cutting riders with a less marketable name? It takes a ton of time to generate revenue off of a pro model shoe, out of an already over-saturated market, so please don't think they'll make the money up right away (if at all). What happens with all of the artificial sales from non-skateboarders when Nike pulls the plug?
Even releasing 10-15 of these big names back into the shoe market, would cause huge disruption for the rest of the team riders on the skate-owned brands. And what about the Nike riders that were encouraged to leave more established board brands for something more boutique? How do those guys offset the lack of the Nike check when they leave?
To address the Nike pro shoe dilemma, do you think maybe some of those guys just don't want their name on a shoe? Not like I know, but maybe Malto, Theotis and Shane are totally fine with just getting shoes, getting a steady payment, and skating without having to worry about whether or not their design/signature on a shoe performs. Maybe they aren't just sitting, waiting patiently, and that's a responsibility they don't care about.
This doesn't even touch the topic of staff, like Zurg mentioned. How many former Fallen, former Vans, former Lakai...etc. staff members have found employment with Nike? What happens if Nike pulls the plug? Is DC suddenly going to create new jobs for these designers, sales reps, and warehouse management?
Dudes would have to quit... nobody wants to get released.. and nobody wants to see these guys not get paid.
Same goes for the staff. They all know what they are doing.. and i would bet they all feel like shit while doing it.
I would even guess its getting frustrating in that building... knowing nothing stays true in a corporate structure...
The good Employees getting moved, split up, less freedom, having to explain "why", biting tongues, ect.
There truly is no justification.... there isn't. Its all justified by a temporary "at least they get paid" moment of time.. but we all know this trend isn't going to last forever.. it never does.. but when the "cycle" dips out of their favor.... its going to change and a lot of patient people are going to get shafted.
But your right... it might be too late..... there really isn't many places to go anymore. The whole infrastructure needs to be rebuilt. Its taken a beating... Not many places left.
Even if all, or half of the pro's for Nike quit of their own terms - that's still a healthy amount of guys that are used to a certain income, a certain lifestyle, and we both know that the only way any team can afford it, would be sacrificing team riders to make room. Loyalty isn't a currency that any brand uses - skater-owned or not. What happens if Shane and Ishod start talking to DC about coming onboard, and DC doesn't have the money to keep everybody? Does MikeMo or Davis get a pay cut? Do they get cut altogether? Maybe they start looking at marketability, and in corporate speak, who "will lead them into the next era of growth"?
The trend isn't going to last forever. It's volatile, and there are dips and gains. And of course we all like the "Well, at least so and so is getting a check while they can" argument. It's growing into a potential problem because a lot of professionals, both in skateboarding and in the staff, have now built a dependency on Nike. And honestly, this is a problem for the industry, and for you, not us.
Whether or not Nike exists in skateboarding, it doesn't effect me, it doesn't effect any kid doing kickflips in their driveway. Skateboarding is the same for the majority of people. It only effects the people who get paid by skateboarding. Consumers aren't to blame with this. The professionals and industry icons that said "Hey we're OK with Nike!" are to blame. But again, those are the people that will get hung out to dry when and if Nike moves on, so it really doesn't effect any of us on here at all.
What you don't know is some of us have taken huge pay cuts. Myself.... I've taken a 75% pay hit in the last two years. So the comments about I'm chasing checks, cashing in, all that speculation... You really don't know.
FYI my "car money" comes from other places. Not just skateboarding. I'm diversified. I can ride the ups and downs of the skate waves. I speak my opinion because this shit matters to me. If there is no dream to become a "pro skater" for future generations.... Then I never get to share the feeling I have from become pro with anyone. Skateboarding from the business standpoint is allowing(allowed) itself to be bought.
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Skateboarding is yours and yours alone. Buy whatever you want.
When skateboarding was in its dark days it was just fine, same as the shit show now, skate or dont. It your choice.
And dgkalis its funny you are chiming in cashing those DC cheques bud. DC is corny as fuck at times too. �They do the same shit to survive/thrive. If you asked me 15 years ago if DC would have huuuge budgets to shut shit down in dubai to have Ken Block drive a fuckin rally car I woulda slapped you.
Im not a huge nike fan so I rarely buy their shit. But the only wack thing Ive heard of them doing is pressuring skateshops.
That is fuckin regular.
Lol. "Chasing checks..... ". You got me there!!!!
DC didn't do Dubai.
They were involved in the SF GYmkhana and that shit was sick! I got to witness some of it first hand.� Love that shit.
So you admit it? I mean it is what it is. Im glad you're getting paid too. You are a legend but that doesnt mean you wont be called out.
Btw you still owe my son a deck dood.
That shit was enjoyable for sure. I liked it. But its not "core".
Stevie said hed pay you 20 grand a month to ride for DGK if he had too.
Now who owns DGK? Who signs your cheques?
And send my son a fuckin board hes been waiting 3 years
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Skateboarding is yours and yours alone. Buy whatever you want.
When skateboarding was in its dark days it was just fine, same as the shit show now, skate or dont. It your choice.
And dgkalis its funny you are chiming in cashing those DC cheques bud. DC is corny as fuck at times too. �They do the same shit to survive/thrive. If you asked me 15 years ago if DC would have huuuge budgets to shut shit down in dubai to have Ken Block drive a fuckin rally car I woulda slapped you.
Im not a huge nike fan so I rarely buy their shit. But the only wack thing Ive heard of them doing is pressuring skateshops.
That is fuckin regular.
Lol. "Chasing checks..... ". You got me there!!!!
DC didn't do Dubai.
They were involved in the SF GYmkhana and that shit was sick! I got to witness some of it first hand.� Love that shit.
So you admit it? I mean it is what it is. Im glad you're getting paid too. You are a legend but that doesnt mean you wont be called out.
Btw you still owe my son a deck dood.
That shit was enjoyable for sure. I liked it. But its not "core".
Stevie said hed pay you 20 grand a month to ride for DGK if he had too.
Now who owns DGK? Who signs your cheques?
And send my son a fuckin board hes been waiting 3 years
I bet it's in the mail now.
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Skateboarding is yours and yours alone. Buy whatever you want.
When skateboarding was in its dark days it was just fine, same as the shit show now, skate or dont. It your choice.
And dgkalis its funny you are chiming in cashing those DC cheques bud. DC is corny as fuck at times too. �They do the same shit to survive/thrive. If you asked me 15 years ago if DC would have huuuge budgets to shut shit down in dubai to have Ken Block drive a fuckin rally car I woulda slapped you.
Im not a huge nike fan so I rarely buy their shit. But the only wack thing Ive heard of them doing is pressuring skateshops.
That is fuckin regular.
Lol. "Chasing checks..... ". You got me there!!!!
DC didn't do Dubai.
They were involved in the SF GYmkhana and that shit was sick! I got to witness some of it first hand.� Love that shit.
So you admit it? I mean it is what it is. Im glad you're getting paid too. You are a legend but that doesnt mean you wont be called out.
Btw you still owe my son a deck dood.
That shit was enjoyable for sure. I liked it. But its not "core".
Stevie said hed pay you 20 grand a month to ride for DGK if he had too.
Now who owns DGK? Who signs your cheques?
And send my son a fuckin board hes been waiting 3 years
Send me a email [email protected] and refresh my memory.
Also. Dgk is owned by The Kayo Corp. I wish I got paid 20k a month from a board company!!!!!!!!! Bwaaaahahahahaha!!!
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Skateboarding is yours and yours alone. Buy whatever you want.
When skateboarding was in its dark days it was just fine, same as the shit show now, skate or dont. It your choice.
And dgkalis its funny you are chiming in cashing those DC cheques bud. DC is corny as fuck at times too. �They do the same shit to survive/thrive. If you asked me 15 years ago if DC would have huuuge budgets to shut shit down in dubai to have Ken Block drive a fuckin rally car I woulda slapped you.
Im not a huge nike fan so I rarely buy their shit. But the only wack thing Ive heard of them doing is pressuring skateshops.
That is fuckin regular.
Lol. "Chasing checks..... ". You got me there!!!!
DC didn't do Dubai.
They were involved in the SF GYmkhana and that shit was sick! I got to witness some of it first hand.� Love that shit.
So you admit it? I mean it is what it is. Im glad you're getting paid too. You are a legend but that doesnt mean you wont be called out.
Btw you still owe my son a deck dood.
That shit was enjoyable for sure. I liked it. But its not "core".
Stevie said hed pay you 20 grand a month to ride for DGK if he had too.
Now who owns DGK? Who signs your cheques?
And send my son a fuckin board hes been waiting 3 years
I bet it's in the mail now.
Hahahah. Well a man should be held to his word. Josh said hed send it long ago.
I know hes busy but if you promise a board to a kid you should follow up.
His middle name is kalis ffs.
I love kakis so do my kiddos. Just be true to your word
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Skateboarding is yours and yours alone. Buy whatever you want.
When skateboarding was in its dark days it was just fine, same as the shit show now, skate or dont. It your choice.
And dgkalis its funny you are chiming in cashing those DC cheques bud. DC is corny as fuck at times too. �They do the same shit to survive/thrive. If you asked me 15 years ago if DC would have huuuge budgets to shut shit down in dubai to have Ken Block drive a fuckin rally car I woulda slapped you.
Im not a huge nike fan so I rarely buy their shit. But the only wack thing Ive heard of them doing is pressuring skateshops.
That is fuckin regular.
Lol. "Chasing checks..... ". You got me there!!!!
DC didn't do Dubai.
They were involved in the SF GYmkhana and that shit was sick! I got to witness some of it first hand.� Love that shit.
So you admit it? I mean it is what it is. Im glad you're getting paid too. You are a legend but that doesnt mean you wont be called out.
Btw you still owe my son a deck dood.
That shit was enjoyable for sure. I liked it. But its not "core".
Stevie said hed pay you 20 grand a month to ride for DGK if he had too.
Now who owns DGK? Who signs your cheques?
And send my son a fuckin board hes been waiting 3 years
Send me a email [email protected] and refresh my memory.
Also. Dgk is owned by The Kayo Corp. I wish I got paid 20k a month from a board company!!!!!!!!! Bwaaaahahahahaha!!!
Will do.
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Let's protest in Beaverton with Brewce Martin and Andy Roy.
After that, Nike SB is done.
(http://theshoegame.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/nike-sb-supreme-dunk-low.jpg)
Made in China for pennies on the dollar.
The skate game is done. Core is gone.
Frog Skateboards is the only hope we have.
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From @the_skatenerd on Instagram:
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the_skatenerd This is an excerpt from @olsonstuff's new @thrashermag interview that I found quite disturbing, especially since I'm sure Alex knows the struggles of owning his own small company. First off, one of my favorite shoes of all time was the Rowley Classic made by Vans. I had skated dozens of them in the early 2000s and they definitely weren't of the highest quality when it came to durability. The reality is ALL companies make some great durable shoes and also some shit shoes. So to make a blanket statement saying the quality of corporate brands is night and day, is simply not true. Secondly, generalizing all skate shoes into the $80 category is misleading. @nikesb is the most expensive brand on the market with most of their shoes being in the $85 to $110 range, while a core skater-owned company like @etniesskateboarding or @esskateboarding has most of their shoes in the $55 to $75 range. There's definitely more bang for your buck with the core companies. Alex also claims that smaller brands can't get the type of quality as the corporate giants. Now, I ain't never seen a better Frontside Flip than @andrewreynolds and he's been doing them exclusively in @emerica's for practically two decades. Also, he's almost fucking 40 still jumping down shit, so the quality and protection for his feet doesn't seem to be an issue there. The reality is, the CEO of Nike alone has a net worth of 18.7 BILLION MOTHERFUCKING DOLLARS! They have the ability to advertise pretty much everywhere (including Alex's very comment in Thrasher) and they'll always beat the small guys when it comes to buying out team riders. Is it going to take Nike and co. to start making skateboards and kill off all the other board companies for people to wake up and realize these fuckers are just in it for the coin? In the end, Nike holds demos requiring their team riders to wear identical Nike jerseys. That's the epitome of what their company stands for. That's what you support when you buy their products...team jerseys. #UniformsAreForJocks
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I said it on the last Fuck Nike thread, and I'm saying it here. If the shops are getting fucked over by Nike, then the shops need to quit buying Nike rider hard goods. It will matter.
thats the worst idea ever and would only help to sink small shops while the chain/mall stores survived. tell a shop NOT to sell Grant Taylor AH boards, or Ishod/Brock Real boards, Prod/Shane Primitive boards, Worrest Krooked boards, Malto Girl boards, etc. etc. etc.Â
C'mon man, you don't HONESTLY think that's a good idea.Â
All of those brands have riders that don't ride for Nike. The only way this is a bad idea is if board sales are so bad for all pros that it doesn't matter to them.
It's about validation. If core shops banded together and said that these riders are bad for core skating, then the pros brands would take a hit. I bet the pros would lobby Nike to be less bullying to shops. Every one of those pros had a shop sponsor that hooked them up at first. Pros don't want to be a joke in shops. If you ran your shop right, had the support of other shops, this could create change. Core shops need to create alliances for other reasons as well. Why not band together and take it to the bully?
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Dudes would have to quit... nobody wants to get released.. and nobody wants to see these guys not get paid.
Same goes for the staff. They all know what they are doing.. and i would bet they all feel like shit while doing it.
I would even guess its getting frustrating in that building... knowing nothing stays true in a corporate structure...
The good Employees getting moved, split up, less freedom, having to explain "why", biting tongues, ect.
There truly is no justification.... there isn't. Its all justified by a temporary "at least they get paid" moment of time.. but we all know this trend isn't going to last forever.. it never does.. but when the "cycle" dips out of their favor.... its going to change and a lot of patient people are going to get shafted.
But your right... it might be too late..... there really isn't many places to go anymore. The whole infrastructure needs to be rebuilt. Its taken a beating... Not many places left.
Even if all, or half of the pro's for Nike quit of their own terms - that's still a healthy amount of guys that are used to a certain income, a certain lifestyle, and we both know that the only way any team can afford it, would be sacrificing team riders to make room. Loyalty isn't a currency that any brand uses - skater-owned or not. What happens if Shane and Ishod start talking to DC about coming onboard, and DC doesn't have the money to keep everybody? Does MikeMo or Davis get a pay cut? Do they get cut altogether? Maybe they start looking at marketability, and in corporate speak, who "will lead them into the next era of growth"?
The trend isn't going to last forever. It's volatile, and there are dips and gains. And of course we all like the "Well, at least so and so is getting a check while they can" argument. It's growing into a potential problem because a lot of professionals, both in skateboarding and in the staff, have now built a dependency on Nike. And honestly, this is a problem for the industry, and for you, not us.
Whether or not Nike exists in skateboarding, it doesn't effect me, it doesn't effect any kid doing kickflips in their driveway. Skateboarding is the same for the majority of people. It only effects the people who get paid by skateboarding. Consumers aren't to blame with this. The professionals and industry icons that said "Hey we're OK with Nike!" are to blame. But again, those are the people that will get hung out to dry when and if Nike moves on, so it really doesn't effect any of us on here at all.
What you don't know is some of us have taken huge pay cuts. Myself.... I've taken a 75% pay hit in the last two years. So the comments about I'm chasing checks, cashing in, all that speculation... You really don't know.
FYI my "car money" comes from other places. Not just skateboarding. I'm diversified. I can ride the ups and downs of the skate waves. I speak my opinion because this shit matters to me. If there is no dream to become a "pro skater" for future generations.... Then I never get to share the feeling I have from become pro with anyone. Skateboarding from the business standpoint is allowing(allowed) itself to be bought.
I know that some professional riders have taken pay cuts. I don't know what your situation is exactly, and I never claimed to. I never said you were chasing a check. Quote somebody else on that.
I also never said a work about your "car money", so quote somebody else on that. I'm glad you're diversified. You'd have to be an idiot not to be at your age and with the shelf life of a professional skater (This is not a shot at you. You're above average, and you've done a lot to stay relevant. Professional skateboarding is short-term, so you have to diversify or look for stable passive income).
The skateboard industry created a dependency on Nike and Nike's income. Not us. And that's why aspects of the industry at under Nike's influence. Not us.
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I have to go to the grocery store on my way home from work and am wondering if anyone wants to tell me what I should buy there too.
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The whole "fuck nike" thing has been around for awhile but it seemed pointless.
It's starting to look like the movement is really gaining traction with notable people speaking out. This is exciting. How cool would it be if skateboarders took skateboarding back? Nike done fucked up by thinking they could just have everyone on their team and nothing would happen. Skateboarders are fucking over it now.
History will be made when someone quits Nike. All we need is for it to be really considered Kook-y to wear Nikes which it is already starting to be. The timing sucks though because we are losing all our shoe companies before we can tear down Nike.
We need to start making fun of people who are wearing Nikes, like people who push Mongo. Call out your bro's wearing them.
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All we need is for it to be really considered Kook-y to wear Nikes which it is already starting to be. The timing sucks though because we are losing all our shoe companies before we can tear down Nike.
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http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/04/13/jamie-thomas-on-the-demise-of-fallen-footwear/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/04/13/jamie-thomas-on-the-demise-of-fallen-footwear/)
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I said it on the last Fuck Nike thread, and I'm saying it here. If the shops are getting fucked over by Nike, then the shops need to quit buying Nike rider hard goods. It will matter.
thats the worst idea ever and would only help to sink small shops while the chain/mall stores survived. tell a shop NOT to sell Grant Taylor AH boards, or Ishod/Brock Real boards, Prod/Shane Primitive boards, Worrest Krooked boards, Malto Girl boards, etc. etc. etc.Â
C'mon man, you don't HONESTLY think that's a good idea.Â
Pros want to pay their bills. Most of them could probably give a fuck what somebody at a shop thinks of them, joke or otherwise.
So your whole position is the core shops can send a message to Nike, or Adidas, that they won't support their riders' hardgoods (the smallest fucking margin in skateboarding) by not carrying a specific Nike rider's signature board, or brand as a whole?
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I said it on the last Fuck Nike thread, and I'm saying it here. If the shops are getting fucked over by Nike, then the shops need to quit buying Nike rider hard goods. It will matter.
thats the worst idea ever and would only help to sink small shops while the chain/mall stores survived.� tell a shop NOT to sell Grant Taylor AH boards, or Ishod/Brock Real boards, Prod/Shane Primitive boards, Worrest Krooked boards, Malto Girl boards, etc. etc. etc.�
C'mon man, you don't HONESTLY think that's a good idea.�
Pros want to pay their bills. Most of them could probably give a fuck what somebody at a shop thinks of them, joke or otherwise.
So your whole position is the core shops can send a message to Nike, or Adidas, that they won't support their riders' hardgoods (the smallest fucking margin in skateboarding) by not carrying a specific Nike rider's signature board, or brand as a whole?
Yeah, let's stick it to the shoe companies by not carrying a pro's board. You DO realize how illogical that is, right? You're not fucking over Nike, you're fucking over the skateboarder and the board companies.
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I have to go to the grocery store on my way home from work and am wondering if anyone wants to tell me what I should buy there too.
I think Kroger would be considered core
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I have to go to the grocery store on my way home from work and am wondering if anyone wants to tell me what I should buy there too.
Almonds. They're a superfood.
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I have to go to the grocery store on my way home from work and am wondering if anyone wants to tell me what I should buy there too.
When you see Gino, ask him his thoughts on this thread...
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I have to go to the grocery store on my way home from work and am wondering if anyone wants to tell me what I should buy there too.
I think Kroger would be considered core
Does the owner actually eat?
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It definitely sucks to see shoe brands ran by skaters go out of business but it looks like there'll be a new one soon, the newest issue of Transworld says Joe Castrucci and Kevin Furtado from Dekline are starting State footwear and may have Ben Gore, Kevin Coakley, and Christian Maalouf
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Let's protest in Beaverton with Brewce Martin and Andy Roy.
After that, Nike SB is done.
(http://theshoegame.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/nike-sb-supreme-dunk-low.jpg)
Made in China for pennies on the dollar.
The skate game is done. Core is gone.
Frog Skateboards is the only hope we have.
I just spit out my coffee
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It definitely sucks to see shoe brands ran by skaters go out of business but it looks like there'll be a new one soon, the newest issue of Transworld says Joe Castrucci and Kevin Furtado from Dekline are starting State footwear and may have Ben Gore, Kevin Coakley, and Christian Maalouf
Damn that sounds sick. Hope the shoes aren't just vans/cons clones.
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From @the_skatenerd on Instagram:
*Instagram pic*
the_skatenerd This is an excerpt from @olsonstuff's new @thrashermag interview that I found quite disturbing, especially since I'm sure Alex knows the struggles of owning his own small company. First off, one of my favorite shoes of all time was the Rowley Classic made by Vans. I had skated dozens of them in the early 2000s and they definitely weren't of the highest quality when it came to durability. The reality is ALL companies make some great durable shoes and also some shit shoes. So to make a blanket statement saying the quality of corporate brands is night and day, is simply not true. Secondly, generalizing all skate shoes into the $80 category is misleading. @nikesb is the most expensive brand on the market with most of their shoes being in the $85 to $110 range, while a core skater-owned company like @etniesskateboarding or @esskateboarding has most of their shoes in the $55 to $75 range. There's definitely more bang for your buck with the core companies. Alex also claims that smaller brands can't get the type of quality as the corporate giants. Now, I ain't never seen a better Frontside Flip than @andrewreynolds and he's been doing them exclusively in @emerica's for practically two decades. Also, he's almost fucking 40 still jumping down shit, so the quality and protection for his feet doesn't seem to be an issue there. The reality is, the CEO of Nike alone has a net worth of 18.7 BILLION MOTHERFUCKING DOLLARS! They have the ability to advertise pretty much everywhere (including Alex's very comment in Thrasher) and they'll always beat the small guys when it comes to buying out team riders. Is it going to take Nike and co. to start making skateboards and kill off all the other board companies for people to wake up and realize these fuckers are just in it for the coin? In the end, Nike holds demos requiring their team riders to wear identical Nike jerseys. That's the epitome of what their company stands for. That's what you support when you buy their products...team jerseys. #UniformsAreForJocks
The thing is know were to point your product. Quality matters, but advertising matters even more. You need to get cool guys riding for you, the ones that make product move, appeal to whats hot and not pigeon hole yourself into one exclusive style. Nike apeal to all the skater types, thats why they are successful, Fallen did shoes for Hesh/rail guys, and that niche is over, there was no demand for them and they couldnt keep up with the trends so they eventually fell out. It's how things work now.
I could type for so long but i've been into some kind of battle against Dont Do It dudes on the facebook and i'm so over it. Hearing people say that your arent a true skateboarder if you dont stick with skater owned brands, now here i see people saying you should make fun of people for using Nike/adidas, skate shops should stop selling peoples boards if they are corporate riders... wtf?? Jesus, just buy what you like and what makes you feel better. At the end of the day skateboarding will continue his path...
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It definitely sucks to see shoe brands ran by skaters go out of business but it looks like there'll be a new one soon, the newest issue of Transworld says Joe Castrucci and Kevin Furtado from Dekline are starting State footwear and may have Ben Gore, Kevin Coakley, and Christian Maalouf
They are really good looking. A few good vulc and cupsole shoes in the first line. They also have Jon Nguyen and Jordan Sanchez
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It definitely sucks to see shoe brands ran by skaters go out of business but it looks like there'll be a new one soon, the newest issue of Transworld says Joe Castrucci and Kevin Furtado from Dekline are starting State footwear and may have Ben Gore, Kevin Coakley, and Christian Maalouf
They are really good looking. A few good vulc and cupsole shoes in the first line. They also have Jon Nguyen and Jordan Sanchez
Damn, i'm hyped for this!!
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I just spit out my coffee
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My work here is done.
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I feel bummed, back when the Slash shoe came out I thought it was the shit. I was stoked but my mom frowned upon it because of the pentagram, my aunt saw my mom and they both started barking at me about it. I was bummed because I liked them and their dislike of the pentagram only made them cooler. Maybe now I can find them on the low :'(
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It definitely sucks to see shoe brands ran by skaters go out of business but it looks like there'll be a new one soon, the newest issue of Transworld says Joe Castrucci and Kevin Furtado from Dekline are starting State footwear and may have Ben Gore, Kevin Coakley, and Christian Maalouf
They are really good looking. A few good vulc and cupsole shoes in the first line. They also have Jon Nguyen and Jordan Sanchez
Fuck! This is sick as shit! Really?
Maybe it can just be the shoes from Habitat but not called Habitat?! So sick
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It definitely sucks to see shoe brands ran by skaters go out of business but it looks like there'll be a new one soon, the newest issue of Transworld says Joe Castrucci and Kevin Furtado from Dekline are starting State footwear and may have Ben Gore, Kevin Coakley, and Christian Maalouf
They are really good looking. A few good vulc and cupsole shoes in the first line. They also have Jon Nguyen and Jordan Sanchez
Fuck! This is sick as shit! Really?
Maybe it can just be the shoes from Habitat but not called Habitat?! So sick
it looks like this is a pair of them
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEEnqvUy_3W/?taken-by=chomponchris&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BEEnqvUy_3W/?taken-by=chomponchris&hl=en)
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From @the_skatenerd on Instagram:
the_skatenerd This is an excerpt from @olsonstuff's new @thrashermag interview that I found quite disturbing, especially since I'm sure Alex knows the struggles of owning his own small company. First off, one of my favorite shoes of all time was the Rowley Classic made by Vans. I had skated dozens of them in the early 2000s and they definitely weren't of the highest quality when it came to durability. The reality is ALL companies make some great durable shoes and also some shit shoes. So to make a blanket statement saying the quality of corporate brands is night and day, is simply not true. Secondly, generalizing all skate shoes into the $80 category is misleading. @nikesb is the most expensive brand on the market with most of their shoes being in the $85 to $110 range, while a core skater-owned company like @etniesskateboarding or @esskateboarding has most of their shoes in the $55 to $75 range. There's definitely more bang for your buck with the core companies. Alex also claims that smaller brands can't get the type of quality as the corporate giants. Now, I ain't never seen a better Frontside Flip than @andrewreynolds and he's been doing them exclusively in @emerica's for practically two decades. Also, he's almost fucking 40 still jumping down shit, so the quality and protection for his feet doesn't seem to be an issue there. The reality is, the CEO of Nike alone has a net worth of 18.7 BILLION MOTHERFUCKING DOLLARS! They have the ability to advertise pretty much everywhere (including Alex's very comment in Thrasher) and they'll always beat the small guys when it comes to buying out team riders. Is it going to take Nike and co. to start making skateboards and kill off all the other board companies for people to wake up and realize these fuckers are just in it for the coin? In the end, Nike holds demos requiring their team riders to wear identical Nike jerseys. That's the epitome of what their company stands for. That's what you support when you buy their products...team jerseys. #UniformsAreForJocks
When I was reading this excerpt from his interview, i kept thinking about how untrue his response was. Perhaps an attempt to justify his situation, regardless of that, Olson's points are simply unfounded. I have been skating the Romero laced for months (55 bucks new) and they are fantastic. We keep talking about how the Nike takeover is just the result of capitalism, which is funny to me. Ideally you cannot "take over" a free market, but you can certainly control the consumers via saturating the industry by way of advertisement. We as skateboarders are forced to see the Nike ads, but we are not forced to purchase the product. Then again, if Nike received zero support from skateboarders they would still be able to comfortably exist in our world, we just wouldn't be cryin about it.
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It definitely sucks to see shoe brands ran by skaters go out of business but it looks like there'll be a new one soon, the newest issue of Transworld says Joe Castrucci and Kevin Furtado from Dekline are starting State footwear and may have Ben Gore, Kevin Coakley, and Christian Maalouf
They are really good looking. A few good vulc and cupsole shoes in the first line. They also have Jon Nguyen and Jordan Sanchez
Fuck! This is sick as shit! Really?
Maybe it can just be the shoes from Habitat but not called Habitat?! So sick
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEEnqvUy_3W/?taken-by=chomponchris&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BEEnqvUy_3W/?taken-by=chomponchris&hl=en)
HELLO!
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It definitely sucks to see shoe brands ran by skaters go out of business but it looks like there'll be a new one soon, the newest issue of Transworld says Joe Castrucci and Kevin Furtado from Dekline are starting State footwear and may have Ben Gore, Kevin Coakley, and Christian Maalouf
They are really good looking. A few good vulc and cupsole shoes in the first line. They also have Jon Nguyen and Jordan Sanchez
Fuck! This is sick as shit! Really?
Maybe it can just be the shoes from Habitat but not called Habitat?! So sick
also fuck yes to this
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I've never bought a pair of Nike shoes before, never liked Nike even though I have to admit, some of their shoes look sick, and a lot of pros I like ride for the company. I don't buy Nike purely because of ethical reasons as stated by most in the thread, but at the same time, I've been guilty of buying CONS (owned by Nike) and a few pair of Adidas. I'm pretty much a hypocrite in this sense, I can't get over how well the few Cons and Adidas I've owned have skated.
Still, 70% of the shoes I buy have been skater owned, mostly Lakai, Etnies, Emerica and DC, they are just way cheaper. At the same time, I think most of these brands have been marketing themselves terribly, they don't fit the whole metropolitan skate vibe that seems to be popular nowadays. I think there's a reason why CONS and Adidas has such a grasp on me, their edits have been so on point and appealing, I don't see other shoe companies making any effort to appeal in the way they are, and that's a shame because the shoes can definitely compete in quality.
I think the people who worship Nike shoes are the type of people that are too scared to venture outside, and find other shoes that could work for them. I never ride the same shoe twice in a row, I like trying new things in the hopes of finding something new that I like, I could never skate 10 pairs of Janoski's in a row, that's way too boring.
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There is a simple fact of the matter. If skateboarders only supported skater owned brands, those brands would make enough money to pay big name pros. That's obvious. The weird thing to me is that skateboarders don't understand how fucking amazing it is to have the option to support skater owned shit. You think tennis players get to buy tennis player made balls? Soccer players wearing soccer player owned shin guards? No. Skateboarding was a community and because no one else made the shit we wanted we made it ourselves, and when someone figured it out, like Independent, Sole Tech, Toy Machine, we bought their shit and so we built an industry. We created an economy by skaters and for skaters. Nothing else is like that! Now it's slipping away.
Within a few year that has just stopped mattering to huge amounts of skateboarders. I don't know why, I have some guesses. Regardless, if we, the skateboarding community, don't stop giving money to people who don't give a fuck about skateboarding, except as a revenue source, the world skateboarders created will end. We'll just buy our shit at malls and sports stores.
This generation was given a world of skater owned and operated opportunities and options, and they will have thrown it away because Dunks are cool. There is no justification of corporate owned bullshit that stops it from being sad to see it go.
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Still, 70% of the shoes I buy have been skater owned, mostly Lakai, Etnies, Emerica and DC, they are just way cheaper. At the same time, I think most of these brands have been marketing themselves terribly, they don't fit the whole metropolitan skate vibe that seems to be popular nowadays. I think there's a reason why CONS and Adidas has such a grasp on me, their edits have been so on point and appealing, I don't see other shoe companies making any effort to appeal in the way they are, and that's a shame because the shoes can definitely compete in quality.
I think the people who worship Nike shoes are the type of people that are too scared to venture outside, and find other shoes that could work for them. I never ride the same shoe twice in a row, I like trying new things in the hopes of finding something new that I like, I could never skate 10 pairs of Janoski's in a row, that's way too boring.
There's an interesting point to be made from this quote. Why are skateboarders so susceptible to marketing nowadays? Regardless of the companies intentions behind the marketing (i.e cons trying to exploit the "metropolitan skate image") we as skateboarders seem to create these associations which are otherwise non existent. For example, you are more than capable of wearing a pair of Fallens with your dickie pants, carabiner, colorful griptape, krux trucks and bleached hair.
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While on the subject of Nike riders Daryl Angel had some comments in thrasher I found really funny.
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I'm about to pile up and burn everything in my apartment that isn't skater owned...
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It definitely sucks to see shoe brands ran by skaters go out of business but it looks like there'll be a new one soon, the newest issue of Transworld says Joe Castrucci and Kevin Furtado from Dekline are starting State footwear and may have Ben Gore, Kevin Coakley, and Christian Maalouf
They are really good looking. A few good vulc and cupsole shoes in the first line. They also have Jon Nguyen and Jordan Sanchez
Fuck! This is sick as shit! Really?
Maybe it can just be the shoes from Habitat but not called Habitat?! So sick
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEEnqvUy_3W/?taken-by=chomponchris&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BEEnqvUy_3W/?taken-by=chomponchris&hl=en)
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http://statefootwear.com/ (http://statefootwear.com/)
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"Core" brands need to start having some originality and making shoes that last. 99% of the different shoes I see by each "core" company looks almost identical to another company's model, and they all have no support.
Make simple shoes with long lasting support and people will buy it...period. Vans was doing it right with their pro classics till they went to shit. Now I'm forced to seek out older pro models from shops or eBay.
Nike and Adidas look waaay too sporty for me to even wanna try a pair on. Huf and CONS are for all the fashionistas, let's face it. There's really nothing left for someone like me that just likes a simple good quality skate shoe. Never had this issue in the early-mid 2000s...
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The first issue of Thrasher featured Nike on the cover. They've been playing the long game and it's finally paid off.
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Who gives a shit what Alex Olson thinks? He hasn't had a full part since Fully Flared
Also don't you cock suckers bring up pretty sweet, he shared that part. Also don't bring up Cherry because when someone edited the video with just his clips it was like a minute worth of footage
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Who gives a shit what Alex Olson thinks? He hasn't had a full part since Fully Flared
Also don't you cock suckers bring up pretty sweet, he shared that part. Also don't bring up Cherry because when someone edited the video with just his clips it was like a minute worth of footage
Nice! I hear ya
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I'll add my voice to the chorus.
FUCK NIKE
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Who gives a shit what Alex Olson thinks? He hasn't had a full part since Fully Flared
Also don't you cock suckers bring up pretty sweet, he shared that part. Also don't bring up Cherry because when someone edited the video with just his clips it was like a minute worth of footage
Nice! I hear ya
I don't care about Olson's opinion, but what he had to say was relevant to the topic of this thread.
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Still, 70% of the shoes I buy have been skater owned, mostly Lakai, Etnies, Emerica and DC, they are just way cheaper. At the same time, I think most of these brands have been marketing themselves terribly, they don't fit the whole metropolitan skate vibe that seems to be popular nowadays. I think there's a reason why CONS and Adidas has such a grasp on me, their edits have been so on point and appealing, I don't see other shoe companies making any effort to appeal in the way they are, and that's a shame because the shoes can definitely compete in quality.
I think the people who worship Nike shoes are the type of people that are too scared to venture outside, and find other shoes that could work for them. I never ride the same shoe twice in a row, I like trying new things in the hopes of finding something new that I like, I could never skate 10 pairs of Janoski's in a row, that's way too boring.
There's an interesting point to be made from this quote. Why are skateboarders so susceptible to marketing nowadays? Regardless of the companies intentions behind the marketing (i.e cons trying to exploit the "metropolitan skate image") we as skateboarders seem to create these associations which are otherwise non existent. For example, you are more than capable of wearing a pair of Fallens with your dickie pants, carabiner, colorful griptape, krux trucks and bleached hair.� �
That's very true, but the thing is they aren't even trying. Obviously you can skate in any way you want, while wearing any shoe, but chances are you'd rather skate/use products you identify with. Fallen has a distinct image, they've niched themselves for a certain demographic of skaters, which isn't really popular anymore. Marketing is the very premises of the skating industry, a professional skateboarder is a marketer and a marketing tool themselves, obviously a culture so heavily focused on pro's would be susceptible to marketing. A video part is a marketing tool, we watch them and we're already exposing ourselves to marketing, skateboarders have always been susceptible to marketing since the beginning.
Obviously someone who's heavily focused on a certain style of skating, would more than likely gravitate towards pros and products that promote that certain style. That's one of the main reasons why Emerica and Huf are doing pretty good compared to other core brands, they seem to be pretty much the only skate shoe brand actually trying to market themselves in a certain way. What unique brand image does Lakai have? Or Etnies? Or DC?
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There is a simple fact of the matter. If skateboarders only supported skater owned brands, those brands would make enough money to pay big name pros. That's obvious. The weird thing to me is that skateboarders don't understand how fucking amazing it is to have the option to support skater owned shit. You think tennis players get to buy tennis player made balls? Soccer players wearing soccer player owned shin guards? No. Skateboarding was a community and because no one else made the shit we wanted we made it ourselves, and when someone figured it out, like Independent, Sole Tech, Toy Machine, we bought their shit and so we built an industry. We created an economy by skaters and for skaters. Nothing else is like that! Now it's slipping away.
Within a few year that has just stopped mattering to huge amounts of skateboarders. I don't know why, I have some guesses. Regardless, if we, the skateboarding community, don't stop giving money to people who don't give a fuck about skateboarding, except as a revenue source, the world skateboarders created will end. We'll just buy our shit at malls and sports stores.
This generation was given a world of skater owned and operated opportunities and options, and they will have thrown it away because Dunks are cool. There is no justification of corporate owned bullshit that stops it from being sad to see it go.
Amen, preach!
Put on your tinfoil hats, brrhs.
I've been reading alotta zizek, multinational ubercapitalism has invaded our lives to such a degree that we cannot imagine an option outside of the system. I think it's part of the reason I was attracted to skating. Skaters created an autonomous market which we could participate in, and now I think that's dying.
But at least I don't have to go through the chore of actually going to the Skate shop to get a deck anymore, and now, when I go out skating everyone knows how goddamn cool I am on my Skateboard, amirite?!
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the_skatenerd This is an excerpt from @olsonstuff's new @thrashermag interview that I found quite disturbing, especially since I'm sure Alex knows the struggles of owning his own small company. First off, one of my favorite shoes of all time was the Rowley Classic made by Vans. I had skated dozens of them in the early 2000s and they definitely weren't of the highest quality when it came to durability. The reality is ALL companies make some great durable shoes and also some shit shoes. So to make a blanket statement saying the quality of corporate brands is night and day, is simply not true. Secondly, generalizing all skate shoes into the $80 category is misleading. @nikesb is the most expensive brand on the market with most of their shoes being in the $85 to $110 range, while a core skater-owned company like @etniesskateboarding or @esskateboarding has most of their shoes in the $55 to $75 range. There's definitely more bang for your buck with the core companies. Alex also claims that smaller brands can't get the type of quality as the corporate giants. Now, I ain't never seen a better Frontside Flip than @andrewreynolds and he's been doing them exclusively in @emerica's for practically two decades. Also, he's almost fucking 40 still jumping down shit, so the quality and protection for his feet doesn't seem to be an issue there. The reality is, the CEO of Nike alone has a net worth of 18.7 BILLION MOTHERFUCKING DOLLARS! They have the ability to advertise pretty much everywhere (including Alex's very comment in Thrasher) and they'll always beat the small guys when it comes to buying out team riders. Is it going to take Nike and co. to start making skateboards and kill off all the other board companies for people to wake up and realize these fuckers are just in it for the coin? In the end, Nike holds demos requiring their team riders to wear identical Nike jerseys. That's the epitome of what their company stands for. That's what you support when you buy their products...team jerseys. #UniformsAreForJocks
When I was reading this excerpt from his interview, i kept thinking about how untrue his response was. Perhaps an attempt to justify his situation, regardless of that, Olson's points are simply unfounded. I have been skating the Romero laced for months (55 bucks new) and they are fantastic. We keep talking about how the Nike takeover is just the result of capitalism, which is funny to me. Ideally you cannot "take over" a free market, but you can certainly control the consumers via saturating the industry by way of advertisement. We as skateboarders are forced to see the Nike ads, but we are not forced to purchase the product. Then again, if Nike received zero support from skateboarders they would still be able to comfortably exist in our world, we just wouldn't be cryin about it.
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That's very true, but the thing is they aren't even trying. Obviously you can skate in any way you want, while wearing any shoe, but chances are you'd rather skate/use products you identify with. Fallen has a distinct image, they've niched themselves for a certain demographic of skaters, which isn't really popular anymore. Marketing is the very premises of the skating industry, a professional skateboarder is a marketer and a marketing tool themselves, obviously a culture so heavily focused on pro's would be susceptible to marketing. A video part is a marketing tool, we watch them and we're already exposing ourselves to marketing, skateboarders have always been susceptible to marketing since the beginning.
Obviously someone who's heavily focused on a certain style of skating, would more than likely gravitate towards pros and products that promote that certain style. That's one of the main reasons why Emerica and Huf are doing pretty good compared to other core brands, they seem to be pretty much the only skate shoe brand actually trying to market themselves in a certain way. What unique brand image does Lakai have? Or Etnies? Or DC?
Your right in that people do have a tendency to associate themselves with familiarity, but that isn't particular to skateboarders, rather humans in general. As a matter of fact, I would say that we tend to (at least historically) pioneer in the ways of artistic design, fashion, etc; which ultimately results in individuality. I also agree with your point that professionals are essentially marketers of the product that they are endorsed by, which I consider to be an organic byproduct of said circumstance, but that doesn't mean that all marketing done by pro's is created equal. I believe that a pro should be marketing skateboarding first and foremost, so when a pro is endorsed by a corporate company it makes the latter seem a little disingenuous to me especially when considering how far our industry has come, and how many skateboarder owned companies exist (or existed R.I.P Dekline). When it comes to skate videos I don't necessarily watch them with product marketing in mind, my goal is to get stoked to go skate, or, to watch what a particular person has been doing on the shred sled. Therefore I don't think that product marketing should be the main goal of a skate video. Also good point about Lakai, I don't believe they have a unique brand image but they still fucking kick ass.
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one good turn deserves another
Consolidated skateboards - Don't Do It (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10MvJdtOcZ0#)
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consolidated "don't do it" campaign is dumb......half there team when they started that was on PUMA (petersen, paez, bourne)
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ÖUS should try to hit the western market, they make solid shoes.
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To Alex Olsen's credit, companies like Lakai and Fallen were really shitty quality for a while. I loved Fallen when it debuted while I was in high school (cobra hoodie, rivals with the strap, all white coles, etc). Then after a while it seemed Nike/adidas was making the only shoes that wouldnt fuck my feet and back up. A few years ago the non-corpo brands made a big deal about new factories and quality, but the damage was done.
I wonder how Etnies feels now. Once upon a time Janoski, Arto *and* Dill were on the team. At least they still have Sheckler.
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i did an interview w jenkem if anyone cares...
http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/04/13/jamie-thomas-on-the-demise-of-fallen-footwear/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/04/13/jamie-thomas-on-the-demise-of-fallen-footwear/)
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i did an interview w jenkem if anyone cares...
http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/04/13/jamie-thomas-on-the-demise-of-fallen-footwear/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/04/13/jamie-thomas-on-the-demise-of-fallen-footwear/)
Was Terrell Robinson fully on the team? That '08 photo brings back memories.
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I said it on the last Fuck Nike thread, and I'm saying it here. If the shops are getting fucked over by Nike, then the shops need to quit buying Nike rider hard goods. It will matter.
thats the worst idea ever and would only help to sink small shops while the chain/mall stores survived.�� tell a shop NOT to sell Grant Taylor AH boards, or Ishod/Brock Real boards, Prod/Shane Primitive boards, Worrest Krooked boards, Malto Girl boards, etc. etc. etc.��
C'mon man, you don't HONESTLY think that's a good idea.��
Pros want to pay their bills. Most of them could probably give a fuck what somebody at a shop thinks of them, joke or otherwise.
So your whole position is the core shops can send a message to Nike, or Adidas, that they won't support their riders' hardgoods (the smallest fucking margin in skateboarding) by not carrying a specific Nike rider's signature board, or brand as a whole?
Yeah, let's stick it to the shoe companies by not carrying a pro's board.� You DO realize how illogical that is, right?� You're not fucking over Nike, you're fucking over the skateboarder and the board companies.�
Who wears Nikes with out the current team in place?
No one. This is their 3rd or 4th shot at this and they finally threw enough money at the right pros.
Those pros took the money. Those pros are making Nike legit. It's the pros fault.
Who the fuck is going out of business because of Nike pros missing sales?
Really only the ones that own or will own their own board brand. Girl, Real, Anti Hero, Baker, Habitat, etc are the sum of the entire team.
In my experience working at a shop, maybe 10 or so pros had boards that were asked for by name. Hawk, Bam, Muska, Thomas, Penny, Williams etc. even all of those top sellers combined were a small percentage of the total boards sold.
Most of it was team or graphic driven. I could be wrong about how it works now but I gotta think it's the same.
Are 12 year old kids special ordering Daryl Angel and Justin Brock decks? Cool if they are but they probably are loyal to Real and Habitat due to team entire team/brand vibe.
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i did an interview w jenkem if anyone cares...
http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/04/13/jamie-thomas-on-the-demise-of-fallen-footwear/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/04/13/jamie-thomas-on-the-demise-of-fallen-footwear/)
Great interview, thanks. Great intel on what Nike is doing with all of the flow and am potential out there, although not really surprising.
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Who gives a shit what Alex Olson thinks? He hasn't had a full part since Fully Flared
Also don't you cock suckers bring up pretty sweet, he shared that part. Also don't bring up Cherry because when someone edited the video with just his clips it was like a minute worth of footage
Nice! I hear ya
Actually Fully Flared is the only part he's ever put out.
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The Big One (9/10) Movie CLIP - Tickets to Indonesia for Phil Knight (1997) HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28B_sZZ6km4#)
I met a Nike SB designer and an Adidas designer in Portland, OR. Let me just say that those mother fuckers were the biggest ego maniac pieces of shit I ever met.
The only cool thing that New Balance does is the made in USA shoe, It's pretty expensive.
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i did an interview w jenkem if anyone cares...
http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/04/13/jamie-thomas-on-the-demise-of-fallen-footwear/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/04/13/jamie-thomas-on-the-demise-of-fallen-footwear/)
That Mike Sinclair thing is fucked up. Going from Dekline to nike...... man.....
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I'm really concerned about Sinclair, imagine the girth he'll pack on with the Swoosh picking up the meal tab
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I'm really concerned about Sinclair, imagine the girth he'll pack on with the Swoosh picking up the meal tab
ten dollar meals like it's nothing
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i did an interview w jenkem if anyone cares...
http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/04/13/jamie-thomas-on-the-demise-of-fallen-footwear/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/04/13/jamie-thomas-on-the-demise-of-fallen-footwear/)
That Mike Sinclair thing is fucked up. Going from Dekline to nike...... man.....
Wasn't he the one tripping and making a big deal how Nike was poaching Blake to ride for them before Dekline folded yet he went with Nike too?
Weird times indeed.
Thank God Emerica still has a relatively cool image, Team, and Reynolds because if Emerica ever folds idk what i'd do. Can you imagine walking into a skate shop and only having to choose from Nike, Adidas, Cons and NB?
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The whole "core" thing starts and stops with hardgoods for me. Not really because I want it to but it's just the nature of the shoe business I guess. Skater owned or not, anybody with a set of feet can wear a pair of sneakers and that's exactly how (with a few exceptions) everybody fron JT, Ken Block, Pierre Senizergues, have ran their game. I mean I'm talking everything from "chiller" lines, to girls shoes, all the way down to just choosing to sell the their shoes to places like Journeys and Zappos. So to me it's pretty ridiculous to hear a dude like JT bitching about mainstream sneaker brands crossing over into skateboarding when the skateboarding brands are crossing over into the mainstream market and going after mainstream money.
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It definitely sucks to see shoe brands ran by skaters go out of business but it looks like there'll be a new one soon, the newest issue of Transworld says Joe Castrucci and Kevin Furtado from Dekline are starting State footwear and may have Ben Gore, Kevin Coakley, and Christian Maalouf
They are really good looking. A few good vulc and cupsole shoes in the first line. They also have Jon Nguyen and Jordan Sanchez
Fuck! This is sick as shit! Really?
Maybe it can just be the shoes from Habitat but not called Habitat?! So sick
also fuck yes to this
that would be really good!
i really dug a lot of the old habitat models and think they would have taken off if they had a different name. i wish they released the shoes that only became samples before habitat footwear closed- there were some good looking shoes in there!
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"Core" brands need to start having some originality and making shoes that last. 99% of the different shoes I see by each "core" company looks almost identical to another company's model, and they all have no support.
Make simple shoes with long lasting support and people will buy it...period. Vans was doing it right with their pro classics till they went to shit. Now I'm forced to seek out older pro models from shops or eBay.
Nike and Adidas look waaay too sporty for me to even wanna try a pair on. Huf and CONS are for all the fashionistas, let's face it. There's really nothing left for someone like me that just likes a simple good quality skate shoe. Never had this issue in the early-mid 2000s...
the chico brenes shoe "nica" and the new-ish etnies low cut are fucking mint.
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so nike has put a lot of money in skating and has hired pretty much everyone in the business and has thus made the industry dependent? it has now come to the point that if in an ideal world nike shut their skate program down all these people would go broke? well, it was their choice to ride for nike so personally i don't care at all about these guys' future (especially about ducebag definitions like AO) as they don't care for mine. its very simple: i can't skate if i look down on my feet and see the gay nike logo and i can't enjoy a skate vid if the riders are wearing nikes. and for someone who said that we should start calling nike skaters out - dude, its already happening. face to face
the bitches defending nike here are probably nike employees.
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so nike has put a lot of money in skating and has hired pretty much everyone in the business and has thus made the industry dependent? it has now come to the point that if in an ideal world nike shut their skate program down all these people would go broke? well, it was their choice to ride for nike so personally i don't care at all about these guys' future (especially about ducebag definitions like AO) as they don't care for mine. its very simple: i can't skate if i look down on my feet and see the gay nike logo and i can't enjoy a skate vid if the riders are wearing nikes. and for someone who said that we should start calling nike skaters out - dude, its already happening. face to face
the bitches defending nike here are probably nike employees.
So now it's not only skaters against nike, it's skaters against skaters... Nice theory douche.
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so nike has put a lot of money in skating and has hired pretty much everyone in the business and has thus made the industry dependent? it has now come to the point that if in an ideal world nike shut their skate program down all these people would go broke? well, it was their choice to ride for nike so personally i don't care at all about these guys' future (especially about ducebag definitions like AO) as they don't care for mine. its very simple: i can't skate if i look down on my feet and see the gay nike logo and i can't enjoy a skate vid if the riders are wearing nikes. and for someone who said that we should start calling nike skaters out - dude, its already happening. face to face
the bitches defending nike here are probably nike employees.
So now it's not only skaters against nike, it's skaters against skaters... Nice theory douche.
i didn't turn against skaters. i said i don't care about their financial situation as they don't care about mine and that if some of them rushed to "sell their soul", like the person that is AO, then the fucks i give become even less.
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are there any pairs of fallens out rn that skate good
Slash's are one of my top 5 shoes of all time.
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There is a simple fact of the matter. If skateboarders only supported skater owned brands, those brands would make enough money to pay big name pros. That's obvious. The weird thing to me is that skateboarders don't understand how fucking amazing it is to have the option to support skater owned shit. You think tennis players get to buy tennis player made balls? Soccer players wearing soccer player owned shin guards? No. Skateboarding was a community and because no one else made the shit we wanted we made it ourselves, and when someone figured it out, like Independent, Sole Tech, Toy Machine, we bought their shit and so we built an industry. We created an economy by skaters and for skaters. Nothing else is like that! Now it's slipping away.
Within a few year that has just stopped mattering to huge amounts of skateboarders. I don't know why, I have some guesses. Regardless, if we, the skateboarding community, don't stop giving money to people who don't give a fuck about skateboarding, except as a revenue source, the world skateboarders created will end. We'll just buy our shit at malls and sports stores.
This generation was given a world of skater owned and operated opportunities and options, and they will have thrown it away because Dunks are cool. There is no justification of corporate owned bullshit that stops it from being sad to see it go.
My man.
To me skating is about the individual. It blows me away that so many skaters actually want to buy nike and look like every other clown out there. When was the last time you looked in the nike thread in shoes & gear? It's pretty sad to me that skaters are hyped on anything nike puts out. They are literally going to run out of colour ways and goofy pics to put on janoskis.
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i did an interview w jenkem if anyone cares...
http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/04/13/jamie-thomas-on-the-demise-of-fallen-footwear/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/04/13/jamie-thomas-on-the-demise-of-fallen-footwear/)
That Mike Sinclair thing is fucked up. Going from Dekline to nike...... man.....
Wasn't he the one tripping and making a big deal how Nike was poaching Blake to ride for them before Dekline folded yet he went with Nike too?
Weird times indeed.
Thank God Emerica still has a relatively cool image, Team, and Reynolds because if Emerica ever folds idk what i'd do. Can you imagine walking into a skate shop and only having to choose from Nike, Adidas, Cons and NB?
Yeah thats the irony of it all. A lot of these corporate brands dont need skateboarding, but their presence in skateboarding has caused skateboarding to need them. You can say a lot about skateboarding shoe brands like Vans, Etnies, DC, Circa, and other brands catering to snowboarding, motorcross, bmx, surf, etc; We all remember when skateboarding had its low points and downs in the 90s. These brands had to branch out into other areas to survive and in order to also make shoes for skateboarding. Nike, Adidas, Cons, and NB could survive even without having a presence in skateboarding, after all theres a bunch of other corporate shoe companies that dont bother with skateboarding, and I hope it stays that way.
Fallen was a skate shoe brand through and through. Its a bummer that it died but we can take this as a sign of things to come, and sometimes I really fear that we're entering an age of skateboarding where the kids dont even give a shit about the defending skateboarding from the corporate predators, from local skateshops to skater-owned shoe brands. I really dont care how good the Janoskis are or are not but I'm never ever putting a pair of them on my feet ever. And I frown everytime I hear a really good skateboarder's reasoning for getting NikeSBs is that "they're good shoes man." Cool that may be true, but there are also shoes by skater-owned brands that perform just as well, but its understandable that Nike has more money so the models that reach the consumers have a low percentage of shoes being defective, where as small brands have to do with inventory, thus ending up with people having stories of "this pair of shoes blew out within 2 hours of skating". I've had a pair of Reynolds 3 that had the vulc fall off on the 3rd day of skating, but all the pairs of Reynolds 3's and Hsu's I've had before that held up just as any normal skate shoe would. And the Emericas that Ive had since have been fine. Its unfortunate that sometimes these shoes reach the hands of the consumers who may be purchasing from a brand for the first time, and thus leaving them with a negative impression of the brand.
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If nothing else, I hope Jamie is content that his post has rekindled the corporations vs skater owned discussion.
Never bought Nike in my life, but I'm guilty of buying converse and they're owned by Nike.
Stoked for those state shoes.
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i did an interview w jenkem if anyone cares...
http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/04/13/jamie-thomas-on-the-demise-of-fallen-footwear/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/04/13/jamie-thomas-on-the-demise-of-fallen-footwear/)
That Mike Sinclair thing is fucked up. Going from Dekline to nike...... man.....
Wasn't he the one tripping and making a big deal how Nike was poaching Blake to ride for them before Dekline folded yet he went with Nike too?
Weird times indeed.
Thank God Emerica still has a relatively cool image, Team, and Reynolds because if Emerica ever folds idk what i'd do. Can you imagine walking into a skate shop and only having to choose from Nike, Adidas, Cons and NB?
Sadly in a couple of years.....
and..
BIRDO WAS RIGHT
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Coming to a welfare line near you.
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^ also my favorite drinking game. anyone else a fan?
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so nike has put a lot of money in skating and has hired pretty much everyone in the business and has thus made the industry dependent? it has now come to the point that if in an ideal world nike shut their skate program down all these people would go broke? well, it was their choice to ride for nike so personally i don't care at all about these guys' future (especially about ducebag definitions like AO) as they don't care for mine. its very simple: i can't skate if i look down on my feet and see the gay nike logo and i can't enjoy a skate vid if the riders are wearing nikes. and for someone who said that we should start calling nike skaters out - dude, its already happening. face to face
the bitches defending nike here are probably nike employees.
So now it's not only skaters against nike, it's skaters against skaters... Nice theory douche.
one of my good friends is antonio dureo. his family doesn't come from money to send him to skate in contests and go on skate trips across the US. nike has gone above and beyond for him as a flow rider paying for his trips to skate all over. he busts his ass at a pool job all summer to make money and skates whenever he can. according to you this makes him a bad person because of the shoes he wears?
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so nike has put a lot of money in skating and has hired pretty much everyone in the business and has thus made the industry dependent? it has now come to the point that if in an ideal world nike shut their skate program down all these people would go broke? well, it was their choice to ride for nike so personally i don't care at all about these guys' future (especially about ducebag definitions like AO) as they don't care for mine. its very simple: i can't skate if i look down on my feet and see the gay nike logo and i can't enjoy a skate vid if the riders are wearing nikes. and for someone who said that we should start calling nike skaters out - dude, its already happening. face to face
the bitches defending nike here are probably nike employees.
So now it's not only skaters against nike, it's skaters against skaters... Nice theory douche.
one of my good friends is antonio dureo. his family doesn't come from money to send him to skate in contests and go on skate trips across the US. nike has gone above and beyond for him as a flow rider paying for his trips to skate all over. he busts his ass at a pool job all summer to make money and skates whenever he can. according to you this makes him a bad person because of the shoes he wears?
I'm not the person you're talking to, but I wouldn't say it necessarily makes him a bad person. He just should understand the consequences of the sweet hook up he has.
It's not an easy situation to talk about honestly. If Nike SB came to me and offered me a high paying, full time job doing the kind of work I currently do for a corporate entity in an industry I couldn't care less about, I'd probably have trouble turning it down.
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Not positive but i think Tufty and Bob Reynolds had a hand in getting Sinclair to Nike.
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The first issue of Thrasher featured Nike on the cover. They've been playing the long game and it's finally paid off.
(http://www.thrashermagazine.com/imagesV2/Magazine/Covers/COVERS_THRASHER/1981/TH8101.jpg)
True enough!
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Off topic but how long will it be until the companies who hold the money and power (nike SB) change the unwritten skateboard rules and start turning people pro?
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It's sad to see another skater owned footwear brand fail. Unfortunately they failed to progress with their designs and quality.
For some reason I don't have as much as a problem with NB compared to Nike. They have great shoes that are aesthetically pleasing and they haven't bought their riders from other shoe companies. Seems like everyone they've added didn't have a shoe deal prior to being on NB.
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I think the real reason people have a problem with Nike and not NB, Adidas, or Converse is because they're a bunch of hypocrites who don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
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I think the real reason people have a problem with Nike and not NB, Adidas, or Converse is because they're a bunch of hypocrites who don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
ZING ;)
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It's sad to see another skater owned footwear brand fail. Unfortunately they failed to progress with their designs and quality.
For some reason I don't have as much as a problem with NB compared to Nike. They have great shoes that are aesthetically pleasing and they haven't bought their riders from other shoe companies. Seems like everyone they've added didn't have a shoe deal prior to being on NB.
Except New Balance pretends to be All-American, but 75% of their shoes are made overseas. Not to mention I just seen this article
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160412/07310334162/shoe-company-new-balance-says-us-govt-basically-offered-it-bribe-to-support-tpp.shtml (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160412/07310334162/shoe-company-new-balance-says-us-govt-basically-offered-it-bribe-to-support-tpp.shtml)
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so nike has put a lot of money in skating and has hired pretty much everyone in the business and has thus made the industry dependent? it has now come to the point that if in an ideal world nike shut their skate program down all these people would go broke? well, it was their choice to ride for nike so personally i don't care at all about these guys' future (especially about ducebag definitions like AO) as they don't care for mine. its very simple: i can't skate if i look down on my feet and see the gay nike logo and i can't enjoy a skate vid if the riders are wearing nikes. and for someone who said that we should start calling nike skaters out - dude, its already happening. face to face
the bitches defending nike here are probably nike employees.
So now it's not only skaters against nike, it's skaters against skaters... Nice theory douche.
one of my good friends is antonio dureo. his family doesn't come from money to send him to skate in contests and go on skate trips across the US. nike has gone above and beyond for him as a flow rider paying for his trips to skate all over. he busts his ass at a pool job all summer to make money and skates whenever he can. according to you this makes him a bad person because of the shoes he wears?
You guys seem like SUUUUPER close friends
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so nike has put a lot of money in skating and has hired pretty much everyone in the business and has thus made the industry dependent? it has now come to the point that if in an ideal world nike shut their skate program down all these people would go broke? well, it was their choice to ride for nike so personally i don't care at all about these guys' future (especially about ducebag definitions like AO) as they don't care for mine. its very simple: i can't skate if i look down on my feet and see the gay nike logo and i can't enjoy a skate vid if the riders are wearing nikes. and for someone who said that we should start calling nike skaters out - dude, its already happening. face to face
the bitches defending nike here are probably nike employees.
So now it's not only skaters against nike, it's skaters against skaters... Nice theory douche.
one of my good friends is antonio dureo. his family doesn't come from money to send him to skate in contests and go on skate trips across the US. nike has gone above and beyond for him as a flow rider paying for his trips to skate all over. he busts his ass at a pool job all summer to make money and skates whenever he can. according to you this makes him a bad person because of the shoes he wears?
You guys seem like SUUUUPER close friends
hahaha! Anthony Durio is my best friend.
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only person who ever looked particularly good in Nikes was Brent Achtley. And probably some people in the late 80's
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so nike has put a lot of money in skating and has hired pretty much everyone in the business and has thus made the industry dependent? it has now come to the point that if in an ideal world nike shut their skate program down all these people would go broke? well, it was their choice to ride for nike so personally i don't care at all about these guys' future (especially about ducebag definitions like AO) as they don't care for mine. its very simple: i can't skate if i look down on my feet and see the gay nike logo and i can't enjoy a skate vid if the riders are wearing nikes. and for someone who said that we should start calling nike skaters out - dude, its already happening. face to face
the bitches defending nike here are probably nike employees.
So now it's not only skaters against nike, it's skaters against skaters... Nice theory douche.
one of my good friends is antonio dureo. his family doesn't come from money to send him to skate in contests and go on skate trips across the US. nike has gone above and beyond for him as a flow rider paying for his trips to skate all over. he busts his ass at a pool job all summer to make money and skates whenever he can. according to you this makes him a bad person because of the shoes he wears?
You guys seem like SUUUUPER close friends
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only person who ever looked particularly good in Nikes was Brent Achtley. And probably some people in the late 80's
John Motta rocked the dunks better than anyone, even brent achtley...
John Motta - A Happy Medium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt5LU7wtFHQ#)
(best part of all time)
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What's this about Mike Sinclair working for Nike? That's fucked. That guy touts like he's core to the bone.
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only person who ever looked particularly good in Nikes was Brent Achtley. And probably some people in the late 80's
John Motta rocked the dunks better than anyone, even brent achtley...
John Motta - A Happy Medium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt5LU7wtFHQ#)
(best part of all time)
Sorry guys I'm gonna have to disagree with you both ...
Nike SB Chronicles, Vol. 1 | Extras | Lewis Marnell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_km0zdKR9Q#)
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only person who ever looked particularly good in Nikes was Brent Achtley. And probably some people in the late 80's
John Motta rocked the dunks better than anyone, even brent achtley...
John Motta - A Happy Medium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt5LU7wtFHQ#)
(best part of all time)
Sorry guys I'm gonna have to disagree with you both ...
Nike SB Chronicles, Vol. 1 | Extras | Lewis Marnell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_km0zdKR9Q#)
Can't forget Ishod, he fucking looks boss in dunks
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I like how this turned from Fallen Footwear closing its doors to who looks best in dunks.
That being said, Lewis will always be my #1 in that dept. Ishod is a close 2nd
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only person who ever looked particularly good in Nikes was Brent Achtley. And probably some people in the late 80's
John Motta rocked the dunks better than anyone, even brent achtley...
John Motta - A Happy Medium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt5LU7wtFHQ#)
(best part of all time)
Sorry guys I'm gonna have to disagree with you both ...
Nike SB Chronicles, Vol. 1 | Extras | Lewis Marnell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_km0zdKR9Q#)
I agree except he rocked them better here back when they still made mids. Popped tongue and a sideways strap mmmmm sexy lol.
Lewis Marnell Nothing but the truth part (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je8wLNV1MEc#)
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Regarding the quality of Fallen shoes, I bought pairs of them from 04-09 but not since, was the quality issue something that happened since then? All the pairs I had were really solid.
I'm glad I only ever bought 3 nikes, and 2 of them were on sale at a shop because dan murphy gave them away.
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only person who ever looked particularly good in Nikes was Brent Achtley. And probably some people in the late 80's
John Motta rocked the dunks better than anyone, even brent achtley...
John Motta - A Happy Medium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt5LU7wtFHQ#)
(best part of all time)
Sorry guys I'm gonna have to disagree with you both ...
Nike SB Chronicles, Vol. 1 | Extras | Lewis Marnell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_km0zdKR9Q#)
Lewis Marnell Nothing but the truth part (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je8wLNV1MEc#)
a honorable mention for the list, most of his earlier footage was like 99% dunks
Classics: Justin Brock "Southern Comfort" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5eawLAH_SE#)
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What's this about Mike Sinclair working for Nike? That's fucked. That guy touts like he's core to the bone.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BD_PbJOvNcV/?taken-by=thetimoconnor&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BD_PbJOvNcV/?taken-by=thetimoconnor&hl=en)
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Everyone loves capitalism and free market until the big boys come and your buisiness blows in your face. Well I dont feel sorry for Thomas I can live without Fallen and I dont like Thomas's opinions either. I remember how he played the good ol' nice buisinessman here about having factories in Mexico where he assured us that his employees are happy with their job, and he personally checks good conditions in his factories (i hope no employee was hurt during that fire that was mentioned in the interview and I hope that fire is not a result of the nice conditions in Mexican factories). Not that the rest of companies are saints, they all do the same bullshit outsourcing in countries that there are no labour legislations. It's capitalism wether it is a core or non-core shoe company.
Personally I buy whatever shoe I find durable > affordable > looks nice. I am really happy with my latest 2 nike pairs as I found them at 45 euros (when the cheapest I can find is 40 euros) and they were more durable than my last Lakais or DVS. Big company, small company its all bullshit all i see is monopoly and monopoly wannabes, so cut the crap. If jamie could be nike, he would be nike or else he would lose to nike as it happened, that is buisiness its not up to Thomas.
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Nike will defintitely find a way to bend the rules so they can turn people Pro.... Wait I think they're doing that with Prods company.... which is essentially NIKE skateboards
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Cmon jame.....
Fallen of footwear.....
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so nike has put a lot of money in skating and has hired pretty much everyone in the business and has thus made the industry dependent? it has now come to the point that if in an ideal world nike shut their skate program down all these people would go broke? well, it was their choice to ride for nike so personally i don't care at all about these guys' future (especially about ducebag definitions like AO) as they don't care for mine. its very simple: i can't skate if i look down on my feet and see the gay nike logo and i can't enjoy a skate vid if the riders are wearing nikes. and for someone who said that we should start calling nike skaters out - dude, its already happening. face to face
the bitches defending nike here are probably nike employees.
So now it's not only skaters against nike, it's skaters against skaters... Nice theory douche.
one of my good friends is antonio dureo. his family doesn't come from money to send him to skate in contests and go on skate trips across the US. nike has gone above and beyond for him as a flow rider paying for his trips to skate all over. he busts his ass at a pool job all summer to make money and skates whenever he can. according to you this makes him a bad person because of the shoes he wears?
so according to you: "i don't care about this person's financials" = "this person is bad"
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Nike has some shady aspects to it, 100%. If you really want to see how fucked up the shoe industry is Read Play Their Hearts Out by George Dohrman, its follows an AAU basketball team/coach for 8 years. In many ways what Addidas and Nike did in that industry is replicated in skateboarding, but in many ways is much worse in regard to the human cost.
But...... The skate industry was fucking itself over long before Nike fully got back into the picture in the early 2000's, Nike is just representative of how bad it got. Skater owned companies (and Shoe brands) danced with the devil by starting to allocate so much of their product to huge mall brands or online stores, fucking over local shops. A decent amount of companies were also terribly managed with terrible logistics hurting the people trying to sell their product (Crailtap). When Sole Tech, DC and Podium are selling so much product to the competitors of local stores, this obviously expanded to certain hardgoods brands in a massive way (Dwindle.....) why should the individual store owners be loyal to these brands? That is why those local stores started to carry so many blanks or shop "decks." Finally when Nike comes into the picture in the early 2000's offering exclusivity to these local stores it was music to their ears, after the core brands had been fucking them over for years by selling heavily to places like Zumiez, Active or West 49. Flat out greed fuelled by the boom of skating in the mid to late 90's, create this mess. If everyone had stayed partners, the wood shops to the hardgood companies-the hardgood companies to the local stores, it never would have gotten this bad. But the hardgood brands sold to corporations and large chain stores in the name of profit, stores started going to woodshops to press their own decks, and now no one is getting paid, they killed the golden goose.
I'm far from a supporter of marxism and fully believe in the free market, but as shitty as it is to see brands owned by legends starting to fail or look to be in trouble, much of this was started by their own greed. I remember hearing awhile back that a large reason a lot of these brands we like got into trouble was partially due to the collapse of certain chain stores, which owed them a lot of money (remember hearing Active), a similar thing happened with Karmaloops collapse. Nike does what they fucking do, same with Adidas they are just as bad or worse, but it was the initial greed of owners of some of these now failing companies cashing in 15 years ago.
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Wow. Good write DannyDee. Very insightful. Hadn't thought of it like that at all personally. :-[
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Everyone loves capitalism and free market blah blah blah
it never gets old, tufty.
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Nike is kiling local shops and your decisions of wearing them proves you know nothing about self-respect or kuth. no wonder skateboarding is where it is right now, people have to type their justification for their decisions. NIKE is raping your life and you have to tell yourself it is ok. the worst part is your a skateboarder. it used to mean instant good friend, now it means a fashion statement. i hope emerica rises up and beats the shit out of this initiative. we have kicked nike out 3 times now itll happen again but now we have to be stronger and depper and more perseverent. if any group of people can beat nike its us. its the skateboarders. if you had any idea what they think of us you would never wear their products. i feel bad for the kid at my park, he never knew how bad ass it was to do whatever you want and steal the football player's girl. now the football player has a board.
yeah im old and lost, but i know who i am and i am never going to be a statistic on a max revenue curve. Consolidated is releasing BS Dunk 3's i suggest we all buy them.
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Yes, Nike is totally raping your life. Because people buy shoes from them. Total life rape. Jesus Christ ogcoors you claim you're old and lost, but it sounds more like a moody teenage girl. You don't sound like somebody who knows who you are. Continue to bring up the "skateboarders used to be friends, now they're fashion statements" bullshit that is totally meritless and irrelevant to the situation, because that's what makes you feel better about your precious little niche hobby becoming globally popular.
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Nike is kiling local shops and your decisions of wearing them proves you know nothing about self-respect or kuth. no wonder skateboarding is where it is right now, people have to type their justification for their decisions. NIKE is raping your life and you have to tell yourself it is ok. the worst part is your a skateboarder. it used to mean instant good friend, now it means a fashion statement. i hope emerica rises up and beats the shit out of this initiative. we have kicked nike out 3 times now itll happen again but now we have to be stronger and depper and more perseverent. if any group of people can beat nike its us. its the skateboarders. if you had any idea what they think of us you would never wear their products. i feel bad for the kid at my park, he never knew how bad ass it was to do whatever you want and steal the football player's girl. now the football player has a board.
yeah im old and lost, but i know who i am and i am never going to be a statistic on a max revenue curve. Consolidated is releasing BS Dunk 3's i suggest we all buy them.
And take away business from core shoe companies? No thank you.
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Nike has some shady aspects to it, 100%. If you really want to see how fucked up the shoe industry is Read Play Their Hearts Out by George Dohrman, its follows an AAU basketball team/coach for 8 years. In many ways what Addidas and Nike did in that industry is replicated in skateboarding, but in many ways is much worse in regard to the human cost.
But...... The skate industry was fucking itself over long before Nike fully got back into the picture in the early 2000's, Nike is just representative of how bad it got. Skater owned companies (and Shoe brands) danced with the devil by starting to allocate so much of their product to huge mall brands or online stores, fucking over local shops. A decent amount of companies were also terribly managed with terrible logistics hurting the people trying to sell their product (Crailtap). When Sole Tech, DC and Podium are selling so much product to the competitors of local stores, this obviously expanded to certain hardgoods brands in a massive way (Dwindle.....) why should the individual store owners be loyal to these brands? That is why those local stores started to carry so many blanks or shop "decks." Finally when Nike comes into the picture in the early 2000's offering exclusivity to these local stores it was music to their ears, after the core brands had been fucking them over for years by selling heavily to places like Zumiez, Active or West 49. Flat out greed fuelled by the boom of skating in the mid to late 90's, create this mess. If everyone had stayed partners, the wood shops to the hardgood companies-the hardgood companies to the local stores, it never would have gotten this bad. But the hardgood brands sold to corporations and large chain stores in the name of profit, stores started going to woodshops to press their own decks, and now no one is getting paid, they killed the golden goose.
I'm far from a supporter of marxism and fully believe in the free market, but as shitty as it is to see brands owned by legends starting to fail or look to be in trouble, much of this was started by their own greed. I remember hearing awhile back that a large reason a lot of these brands we like got into trouble was partially due to the collapse of certain chain stores, which owed them a lot of money (remember hearing Active), a similar thing happened with Karmaloops collapse. Nike does what they fucking do, same with Adidas they are just as bad or worse, but it was the initial greed of owners of some of these now failing companies cashing in 15 years ago.Â
^ all of this ^
Billy Joel - We Didn't Start the Fire (Official Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g#)
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DannyDee makes some great points. OGCoors sounds delusional.
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Nike is kiling local shops and your decisions of wearing them proves you know nothing about self-respect or kuth. no wonder skateboarding is where it is right now, people have to type their justification for their decisions. NIKE is raping your life and you have to tell yourself it is ok. the worst part is your a skateboarder. it used to mean instant good friend, now it means a fashion statement. i hope emerica rises up and beats the shit out of this initiative. we have kicked nike out 3 times now itll happen again but now we have to be stronger and depper and more perseverent. if any group of people can beat nike its us. its the skateboarders. if you had any idea what they think of us you would never wear their products. i feel bad for the kid at my park, he never knew how bad ass it was to do whatever you want and steal the football player's girl. now the football player has a board.
yeah im old and lost, but i know who i am and i am never going to be a statistic on a max revenue curve. Consolidated is releasing BS Dunk 3's i suggest we all buy them.
It's spelled couth, if any group of people can beat Nike it's certainly not us since governments have tried and failed (that's how they got to own humans for so long) and certainly especially not you because you're a dipshit, and your life is already nothing more than a statistic on a revenue curve and I doubt it's a curve anybody cares about.
Nothing matters and we're all going to die.
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Total life rape.
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NIKE is raping your life and you have to tell yourself it is ok. Consolidated is releasing BS Dunk 3's i suggest we all buy them.
Nothing matters and we're all going to die.
Jesus Christ, this thread has escalated.
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What do you guys think would happen if you went and tried to skate a set or wax up a ledge at the Nike (or adidas, or new balance or converse) campus? What do you think would happen if you ended up slappying a curb outside of, say, the crailtap or sole tech headquarters? That reason alone is why I do my best to not buy shoes from those big sports chains. They might make shoes for skateboarding in but they do not back skateboarding or skateboarders, 100%. The dudes at sole tech or crailtap might not necessarily come out and skate the curb with you but I doubt they'd kick you out. Do you think you'd be allowed to skate potential spots at, say, the Nike campus even if you're in some Blazers? I highly doubt it.
(Although Nike possibly has security to keep people out regardless idk)
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isn't the spot at 6:07 behind Nike in Portland?
adidas Skateboarding Pacific Northwest (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSD5MXpD8Wg#)
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What do you guys think would happen if you went and tried to skate a set or wax up a ledge at the Nike (or adidas, or new balance or converse) campus? What do you think would happen if you ended up slappying a curb outside of, say, the crailtap or sole tech headquarters? That reason alone is why I do my best to not buy shoes from those big sports chains. They might make shoes for skateboarding in but they do not back skateboarding or skateboarders, 100%. The dudes at sole tech or crailtap might not necessarily come out and skate the curb with you but I doubt they'd kick you out. Do you think you'd be allowed to skate potential spots at, say, the Nike campus even if you're in some Blazers? I highly doubt it.
(Although Nike possibly has security to keep people out regardless idk)
I skated in a business park where a popular skateboarding company used to be headquartered for 15 minutes before security and the owner of the place came and kicked me out for fucking up their curbs. And like Art said, that Adidas video has them skating at Nike. What else do you have?
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Well said, this has been on my mind a lot lately, and I agree, the skate industry has been fucking itself over for a long time. When the Sole/DC/Podiums started getting big it got popular to get some ex Nike guys to figure out growth on a bigger scale. This is right in that early 2000's that you mentioned. While the skate companies were trying to figure out how to keep up with demand due to skateboarding and it's influence on fashion, SB was acting like a small company. That's how they got in; they made shops money by giving them something no one else could find and in doing that, brought a whole new group of customers to those skate shops. Did some of them get greedy? I guess you could say so, but if you've ever worked in a small ass shop, and overnight you got money coming in from not necessarily skaters, you can now afford to give the real kids a discount here and there, free grip, etc. That allowed the skate community to thrive in a lot of places. But at the same time, shops learned how to run their businesses in a different way, which was great for a lot of them, and it's not really a new thing. Some decided to try and ride that success and expand locations, some new shops opened because of business opportunities and some just kept on doing what they had been but with a different money maker (Nike, in this case.)
There's a long version of this, I can list out my work history if anyone cares, but I just came off almost 10 years at SB, the relevant thing to this thread I'll mention is one of our reps coming out for a meeting, him and I going over some goals and him saying "Man, can't we just be happy with where we are?" Any publicly owned company is almost always going to say no. They want more growth. They don't get in business to be flat or down. But small companies can.
I'm out now. I got let go, and while it was a shock I couldn't be happier. Skateboarding in it's pure form and the community of it isn't going anywhere, but it's not in it's best form. I'm gonna do my best to give back to it and make a community again. I started my own shoe company, and it's about as small and skater owned as it could be. But in the spirit of this thread, keep fucking skating, support those companies you care about, and we can take our part of skateboarding back.
Nike has some shady aspects to it, 100%. If you really want to see how fucked up the shoe industry is Read Play Their Hearts Out by George Dohrman, its follows an AAU basketball team/coach for 8 years. In many ways what Addidas and Nike did in that industry is replicated in skateboarding, but in many ways is much worse in regard to the human cost.
But...... The skate industry was fucking itself over long before Nike fully got back into the picture in the early 2000's, Nike is just representative of how bad it got. Skater owned companies (and Shoe brands) danced with the devil by starting to allocate so much of their product to huge mall brands or online stores, fucking over local shops. A decent amount of companies were also terribly managed with terrible logistics hurting the people trying to sell their product (Crailtap). When Sole Tech, DC and Podium are selling so much product to the competitors of local stores, this obviously expanded to certain hardgoods brands in a massive way (Dwindle.....) why should the individual store owners be loyal to these brands? That is why those local stores started to carry so many blanks or shop "decks." Finally when Nike comes into the picture in the early 2000's offering exclusivity to these local stores it was music to their ears, after the core brands had been fucking them over for years by selling heavily to places like Zumiez, Active or West 49. Flat out greed fuelled by the boom of skating in the mid to late 90's, create this mess. If everyone had stayed partners, the wood shops to the hardgood companies-the hardgood companies to the local stores, it never would have gotten this bad. But the hardgood brands sold to corporations and large chain stores in the name of profit, stores started going to woodshops to press their own decks, and now no one is getting paid, they killed the golden goose.
I'm far from a supporter of marxism and fully believe in the free market, but as shitty as it is to see brands owned by legends starting to fail or look to be in trouble, much of this was started by their own greed. I remember hearing awhile back that a large reason a lot of these brands we like got into trouble was partially due to the collapse of certain chain stores, which owed them a lot of money (remember hearing Active), a similar thing happened with Karmaloops collapse. Nike does what they fucking do, same with Adidas they are just as bad or worse, but it was the initial greed of owners of some of these now failing companies cashing in 15 years ago.
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yep that spot, the savier bump, is at a nike warehouse
they let people come in and skate it and give them free shoes and gatorade on set dates. great park
actually that is the company in skateboarding i've felt the most personal with because of that, oddly
except local companies of course
i would like to learn more about how nike treats local skate shops though. i hear it's sad
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Yes, Nike is totally raping your life. Because people buy shoes from them. Total life rape. Jesus Christ ogcoors you claim you're old and lost, but it sounds more like a moody teenage girl. You don't sound like somebody who knows who you are. Continue to bring up the "skateboarders used to be friends, now they're fashion statements" bullshit that is totally meritless and irrelevant to the situation, because that's what makes you feel better about your precious little niche hobby becoming globally popular.
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Well, shit. You sure showed me. I definitely didn't know about that spot or something that happened in your life, shit_for_brains. I'm very sorry, should I focus my account because I didn't know that people can skate at a Nike warehouse or that you got kicked out of a business park?
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So if I own a business, as a skateboarder I'm supposed to let skateboarders wax and skate my front steps? Allen, no offense, but I'm concerned you might be regular.
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Well, shit. You sure showed me. I definitely didn't know about that spot or something that happened in your life, shit_for_brains. I'm very sorry, should I focus my account because I didn't know that people can skate at a Nike warehouse or that you got kicked out of a business park?
Yes.
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Well, shit. You sure showed me. I definitely didn't know about that spot or something that happened in your life, shit_for_brains. I'm very sorry, should I focus my account because I didn't know that people can skate at a Nike warehouse or that you got kicked out of a business park?
Hell fucking yeah you should
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RIP Allen :(
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Your evidence does not align with my conjecture. I'm gonna pout about it now. :'(
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only person who ever looked particularly good in Nikes was Brent Achtley. And probably some people in the late 80's
John Motta rocked the dunks better than anyone, even brent achtley...
John Motta - A Happy Medium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt5LU7wtFHQ#)
(best part of all time)
Sorry guys I'm gonna have to disagree with you both ...
Nike SB Chronicles, Vol. 1 | Extras | Lewis Marnell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_km0zdKR9Q#)
NVER FORGET
EMERIC PRATT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBYbbE11Gng#)
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I have no beef with anyone taking a check from Nike...so long as they're honest and don't try to disguise their decision with statements like "Yeah but Nike supports skating...the team manager is cool...blah blah blah".
If a person is comfortable taking a check knowing that their desire for money may very well put a shop owner or "core" skate brand out of business...more power to em. I just hope the guilt doesn't keep em up at night.
Small companies are doing just as much damage, especially when talking about board sales. Only so many decks get sold every year and when every single person in the world wants to start their "own" company...everyone's slice of the pie gets smaller. This goes for decks....bearings....wheels....hardware....clothing. Seriously, does skateboarding need any new hard goods companies? I miss the days where there were like 12 board brands and 50 pros!
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cant forget to post this, http://skateboarding.transworld.net/photos/new-balance-numeric-media-day/#3424+ee7154cae3 (http://skateboarding.transworld.net/photos/new-balance-numeric-media-day/#3424+ee7154cae3)
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I have no beef with anyone taking a check from Nike...so long as they're honest and don't try to disguise their decision with statements like "Yeah but Nike supports skating...the team manager is cool...blah blah blah".
If a person is comfortable taking a check knowing that their desire for money may very well put a shop owner or "core" skate brand out of business...more power to em. I just hope the guilt doesn't keep em up at night.
Small companies are doing just as much damage, especially when talking about board sales. Only so many decks get sold every year and when every single person in the world wants to start their "own" company...everyone's slice of the pie gets smaller. This goes for decks....bearings....wheels....hardware....clothing. Seriously, does skateboarding need any new hard goods companies? I miss the days where there were like 12 board brands and 50 pros!
Phew, we were getting worried out here.
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This goes for decks....bearings....wheels....hardware....clothing. Seriously, does skateboarding need any new hard goods companies? I miss the days where there were like 12 board brands and 50 pros!
It's odd, but I miss those days. It felt more raw?
Video releases were epic, bros huddled around a shit TV/VCR getting stoked. With so few companies you were supporting the 'core' industry no matter what you rode.
Now, you've got 745672846128634516253417826 pros, most of which are amazing at what they do, everyone has a pro model which means the pros get less money; it means so much less now and the careers are shorter lived.
Getting decks and bolts and slapping a label on'em isn't all that hard if you get a few guys with some income, hence the new hardgoods popping up all the time; shit, there are only so many woodshops, the 'mystery' of the where, why's and how's are gone, anyone with $1500 can get their hands on 50+ decks in multiple sizes, get'em screen and sell them locally or onlne or at a park.
Successfully keeping it going? That's a different story. Hell, there are only a handful of truly OG brands out there (before the gold rush of the spinoff brands like The New Deal, H Street Plan B, Girl, etc:
Powell Peralta
Santa Cruz
SMA
Indy
Thunder
Venture (maybe)
Bones
OJs
Spitfire
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You forgot to tell us to get off your lawn.
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Thanks for the reminder. Funny how ISUCK wasn't at all concerned about big corporations getting into skating when they were lining his pockets. Fucking hypocrite. You're in the same boat as all the pros you are talking shit on.
cant forget to post this, http://skateboarding.transworld.net/photos/new-balance-numeric-media-day/#3424+ee7154cae3 (http://skateboarding.transworld.net/photos/new-balance-numeric-media-day/#3424+ee7154cae3)
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Who would've thought that a brand nobody wore and everybody talked shit on would be so revered when it died. "If only you cared when we were around (sniff sniff... sob sob)".
Thanks for the reminder. Funny how ISUCK wasn't at all concerned about big corporations getting into skating when they were lining his pockets. Fucking hypocrite. You're in the same boat as all the pros you are talking shit on.
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cant forget to post this, http://skateboarding.transworld.net/photos/new-balance-numeric-media-day/#3424+ee7154cae3 (http://skateboarding.transworld.net/photos/new-balance-numeric-media-day/#3424+ee7154cae3)
Fletch "I HATE TOMMY LASORDA!!!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5B9B_jqyh0#)
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Thanks for the reminder. Funny how ISUCK wasn't at all concerned about big corporations getting into skating when they were lining his pockets. Fucking hypocrite. You're in the same boat as all the pros you are talking shit on.
There's a pretty big difference between trying to get rich and trying to stay afloat. Unfortunately, there are necessary evils nowadays...hence Monster sponsored Thrasher videos, etc.
Say what you will about his character or personality, but denying his contribution and commitment to skateboarding is absurd.
I would love to see the total dollar amount he's spent helping people get surgery that couldn't afford it. I'm sure the number is astonishing.
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Thanks for the reminder. Funny how ISUCK wasn't at all concerned about big corporations getting into skating when they were lining his pockets. Fucking hypocrite. You're in the same boat as all the pros you are talking shit on.
There's a pretty big difference between trying to get rich and trying to stay afloat. Unfortunately, there are necessary evils nowadays...hence Monster sponsored Thrasher videos, etc.
Say what you will about his character or personality, but denying his contribution and commitment to skateboarding is absurd.
I would love to see the total dollar amount he's spent helping people get surgery that couldn't afford it. I'm sure the number is astonishing.
Astonshingly zero
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Just had to come here because being on facebook and instagram is pissing me off and making me hate skateboarding more than anything ever did. Now I realise that there are skateboarders out there who will willingly spread their asscheeks to nike and accept the cash cum while holding a knife to the throat of the grassroots skateboarder.
Trust me, none of us started skating so we could be pissed off at the whole scene and talk shit on the industry on the internet......
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LOL @ everyone in this thread making Fallen out to be one of the best skate shoe companies ever when they never owned a pair of their shoes.
Ride the Sky is a severely underrated video though. Every part is so good.
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Thanks for the reminder. Funny how ISUCK wasn't at all concerned about big corporations getting into skating when they were lining his pockets. Fucking hypocrite. You're in the same boat as all the pros you are talking shit on.
There's a pretty big difference between trying to get rich and trying to stay afloat. �Unfortunately, there are necessary evils nowadays...hence Monster sponsored Thrasher videos, etc.
Say what you will about his character or personality, but denying his contribution and commitment to skateboarding is absurd.
I would love to see the total dollar amount he's spent helping people get surgery that couldn't afford it. �I'm sure the number is astonishing.
I'm sorry, but a lot of late 90's/early 2000's brands got rich by selling in bulk to large chain shops with unclear ownership structures at the expense of the local skate shops. You think Ken Block or Rocco gave a fuck about local shops when they were cashing massive checks from places like Active, West 49 or Zumiez? It sucks to see things people worked their lives on burning to the ground, but lets not act like they were saints. They cashed in at the expense of local stores long before Nike and Adidas got into the game. I'll admit, I got one or two of my early decks from Mall Shops/Chains (West 49 Yonge and Eg), but I was fucking kid interested in skating and they were the most accessible, ironically, it was a Zero logo board. But if I had to go to a local shop to get started I would of, and I'm sure places like Hogtown or Shred Central lost a lot of business this way.
Edit: And didn't DC give Ryan Gallant the boot for signing Fuck Mall Shops at a Demo? Real fucking core company.....
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Nike will defintitely find a way to bend the rules so they can turn people Pro.... Wait I think they're doing that with Prods company.... which is essentially NIKE skateboards
Shoe companies have influenced guys turning pro for awhile. For example part of the reason Wes was held off on being turned pro was because the Am video with DC. But your statement about Primative being Nike and Nike influencing who turns pro there makes no sense. They turned 3 guys who don't even ride for Nike pro (Peacock, Carlos and Tucker) and added Shane. If your gonna make these statements, at least make them believable.
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ISUCK is a hypocrite. When he was cashing checks with NB under his roof it was all good. Now that his vision is one more moldy relic on the trash heap of history he's decided to don the garb of a martyr and re-re-re-invent his own self-mythology. That is not an opinion that is a fact. Simply look at what he has done and is doing.
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Thanks for the reminder. Funny how ISUCK wasn't at all concerned about big corporations getting into skating when they were lining his pockets. Fucking hypocrite. You're in the same boat as all the pros you are talking shit on.
There's a pretty big difference between trying to get rich and trying to stay afloat. �Unfortunately, there are necessary evils nowadays...hence Monster sponsored Thrasher videos, etc.
Say what you will about his character or personality, but denying his contribution and commitment to skateboarding is absurd.
I would love to see the total dollar amount he's spent helping people get surgery that couldn't afford it. �I'm sure the number is astonishing.
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All I can say is that fallen's 2016 line, hell even 2015, was not doing anything for me.
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All I can say is that fallen's 2016 line, hell even 2015, was not doing anything for me.
ditto, all of them was thin as shit vulcs, and some cupsoles, maybe they just went vulcs for the most part to save money? after reading that ripped laces article that said vulcs was cheaper to produce than cupsoles that would make sense.
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I started my own shoe company
What company is this?
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I really liked Fallen for the first few years they were in business, it seemed a way better fit for Cole and Thomas than Circa, and then they had Harmony and Billy Marks and just seemed like the best team (if you like that type of skating). Somewhere along the way I kinda just realized that it was somewhat of a rip off of Vans, and didnt like the new riders as much, with the others getting kicked off or quitting. Everything up until after Ride The Sky seemed awesome. Then Strange World came out with like a 2-3 Thomas tricks. There were a few years in between Full video parts from a lot of those guys (not really even one full street part from Billy Marks since)so it felt like they lost a lot followers during then. Sorry for the rant, I am sure there are TONS of other reasons, just a fan stating why I kind of saw it coming a while back, as did a lot of others.
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Shoe companies have influenced guys turning pro for awhile. For example part of the reason Wes was held off on being turned pro was because the Am video with DC. But your statement about Primative being Nike and Nike influencing who turns pro there makes no sense. They turned 3 guys who don't even ride for Nike pro (Peacock, Carlos and Tucker) and added Shane. If your gonna make these statements, at least make them believable.
I'm pretty sure chief said Nike was one of the drivers behind Trevor Colden's move from Mystery to Skate mental, and as soon as he got on he turned Pro, so....
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Shoe companies have influenced guys turning pro for awhile. For example part of the reason Wes was held off on being turned pro was because the Am video with DC. But your statement about Primative being Nike and Nike influencing who turns pro there makes no sense. They turned 3 guys who don't even ride for Nike pro (Peacock, Carlos and Tucker) and added Shane. If your gonna make these statements, at least make them believable.
I'm pretty sure chief said Nike was one of the drivers behind Trevor Colden's move from Mystery to Skate mental, and as soon as he got on he turned Pro, so....
Except I was specifically talking about Primative. There are obvious links between certain shoe companies and brands, usually related to TM's and fellow riders. Mystery was a mess, and it was pretty well known it was in long term trouble. Plus Mystery was turning Colden Pro anyway, which is a large reason they were so pissed he left. I don't think Nike told him to leave because he was still Am so Skate Mental could be turned pro. Colden probably wanted to leave a sinking ship, Scuba helped find him a good landing spot. Emerica has connections like that with Baker and Toy, Vans with Anti-Hero, Etnies or DC with Plan B and so on. And after seeing what happened with Black Box and Mystery after Colden left, even if Nike encouraged him to leave, I can't really blame them. They wouldn't be the first company to encourage someone to move on because they don't like the board sponsor (Huf, Dekline etc.)
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I started my own shoe company
What company is this?
It's called FTW...Footwear That Works. Super small line, cupsoles only. I'll post about it soon...first samples will be here in about a month.
@ftwbrand is the IG
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Shoe companies have influenced guys turning pro for awhile. For example part of the reason Wes was held off on being turned pro was because the Am video with DC. But your statement about Primative being Nike and Nike influencing who turns pro there makes no sense. They turned 3 guys who don't even ride for Nike pro (Peacock, Carlos and Tucker) and added Shane. If your gonna make these statements, at least make them believable.
I'm pretty sure chief said Nike was one of the drivers behind Trevor Colden's move from Mystery to Skate mental, and as soon as he got on he turned Pro, so....
Nike definitely didn't tell him to leave, there was a bunch of shit already in motion on that.
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It's a branch off the tree not the tree
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I've been skateboarding since 1984.. we used to go the Albee Square Mall (RIP) in Fulton, downtown Brooklyn to buy the original Nike Dunks for $20 bucks red/wht, royal Blue/white, and Navy Blue/Yellow were the only colors you could find.. we used to buy an adidas model I haven't seen since. I don't think I bought my first pair of "skate" shoes until the original half cab. My point is I think the shoe part of the industry is still fair game because they're shoes and not boards. I wear Levi's when I skate or Dickies.. am I wrong for not buying clothing from skater owned clothing companies? Do I need skater owned produced boxers? And the amount of "skater owned" companies has grown tremendously since I started skateboarding when it was just Vans and then Airwalk <<<I'm not even 100% sure Airwalk was skater owned. But as soon as the Nike's, Adidas', NB's, and Converse's of the world start making Decks, Trucks, wheels, hardware, and bearings the industry is fucked.
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Fuck you for not skating Krew denim....
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Decks, Wheels, hardware, and bearings is what we need to protect.. forget about fighting about the rest. And seriously.. the drink sponsorships? Who cares.
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Hahaha.. I found that pair of those Adidas. Believe it or not these were huge in the NYC street skateboarding scene of the late eighties.. just as big as these dunks.
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e15/11376593_493359570840237_1536994411_n.jpg)
Ha.. these shoes cost $20 dollars a pop. If I could go back in time.
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greetings girl, and welcome to my world of phrase
im right up to bat
its a Daisy age and youre about to walk top-stage
so wipe your Lottos on the mat
-one of my favorite lines. why doesnt Lotto get in the skate shoe game? strike while the irons hot.
twas a proud awkward moment with tight pants shaggy hair pimply face and big boat ass burnt orange fallens. cheifs i think ;) probably high school.
also had a pair of fallen chris cole signature white jeans. id still wear those now that i think of it.
maybe had a pair of slashes years later.
didnt ride the sky have serious copyright issues? dope video. gilberts part!
you know it is a bummer but yes like many have said fallen did not seem to do much to keep up with the corporate joneses. look at the output of footage and diversity of team riders from cons. fuck man i really enjoy all the cons(and poalr for that matter)edits, but its bittersweet knowing that its nike in a mask.
you cant argue that the big boys have been playing their cards right.
ive never bought nikes...dont plan to. $80 shoes never truly spoke to me.
when i first went to skatepark of tampa and saw nike sb's straight up shrinkwrapped, i really was bewildered and did not understand why nikes were wrapped in fucking plastic on the shoe wall at a skatepark. pathetic. well, go in the park and then you see why, decked the fuck out in sb. not littered with stickers like all the chaotic 411 videos i grew up loving, all nike. and some obey shit was wheatpasted on the other small side with the bowl(dont know if thats even there anymore).
i did work at a shop however, and little ones would come in asking for "Jakowskis" "Jerowskis" and so on. $80 minimum mommy and daddy shell it out. most of these grommits did not skate. almost daily for months we send a pair of swooshes out the door. if not equal to than more than vans. and we sold a shiiiiiitload of vans.
now i also experienced people asking for rob dyrdeks dc skateboard. but thats neither here nor there.
i will attest that it seems as if some of these companies "give back" to skateboarding; as it was mentioned cons having workshops. nike paying certain ams or squads or filmers(johnny wilson?) what adidas does i cant say.
but does the good outweigh the bad?
shit i dont know but after 13 pages of comments(yup, read um all) + a jenkem interview i feel like i have a better understanding of the situation as a whole.
to me, seeing a big ass swoosh on someones feet is goofy as shit, no matter how rad you are that logo sticks out like a sore thumb. you can make ishod front feeble a 92 stair and i still wont want to buy nikes.
how long has the gonz addidas relationship been around? i feel like i read hes been with them a very long time but i may be mistaken.
so what do you do?
you dont want to end up with a homogenous shoe game! look at how fucked the media is! three main sources.
but stepping into a pair of hufs that blatently say "made in china" on the footbed doesnt feel great either.
where are emericas made?
why did adio die?
why wont osiris die?
does james hardy have a shoe sponsor?
c1 denim making a comeback?
why did 88 die; was that skater owned?
vita! who started that?
savier...who wouldve thought youd come back to haunt us all.
where do we go from here?
capitalism might be the real issue but im not trying to stir that pot.
footwear that works sounds exciting. looking forward to something...else
lets form a union.
anti nike.
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Decks, Wheels, hardware, and bearings is what we need to protect.. forget about fighting about the rest. And seriously.. the drink sponsorships? Who cares.
Nike, Adidas and such would never enter that market. The margins aren't there for massive profits and they have to set up an entirely new set of factories, expanding from running shoes (which you make enmasse), into a slightly different form of athletic shoe is insanely easy. Its also been shown new "technology" in decks rarely, if ever increases sales. Shoes and athletic gear will always be easy for them to create massive margins on. As a Canadian I obviously remember when Nike entered (and later Adidas) entered the hockey market, Nike left fairly quickly, and Adidas is still hanging around under the Reebok moniker, production of equipment for a niche market just wasn't profitable enough. To wear Janoski's you don't have to skate, in many ways skating (and limited edition aspects of SB) get customers to buy skate related products they never would buy otherwise. Only Vans has really been able to enter that market and last awhile out of the skate shoe companies which is probably why they seem to be the healthiest of brands that started off as skate shoes. Osiris probably made a fortune off rave kids and people wanting loud back packs, I'm sure those guys weren't stressing being core when they were cashing those checks. Same with Etnies and white trash.
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greetings girl, and welcome to my world of phrase
im right up to bat
its a Daisy age and youre about to walk top-stage
so wipe your Lottos on the mat
-one of my favorite lines. why doesnt Lotto get in the skate shoe game? strike while the irons hot.
twas a proud awkward moment with tight pants shaggy hair pimply face and big boat ass burnt orange fallens. cheifs i think ;) probably high school.
also had a pair of fallen chris cole signature white jeans. id still wear those now that i think of it.
maybe had a pair of slashes years later.
didnt ride the sky have serious copyright issues? dope video. gilberts part!
you know it is a bummer but yes like many have said fallen did not seem to do much to keep up with the corporate joneses. look at the output of footage and diversity of team riders from cons. fuck man i really enjoy all the cons(and poalr for that matter)edits, but its bittersweet knowing that its nike in a mask.
you cant argue that the big boys have been playing their cards right.
ive never bought nikes...dont plan to. $80 shoes never truly spoke to me.
when i first went to skatepark of tampa and saw nike sb's straight up shrinkwrapped, i really was bewildered and did not understand why nikes were wrapped in fucking plastic on the shoe wall at a skatepark. pathetic. well, go in the park and then you see why, decked the fuck out in sb. not littered with stickers like all the chaotic 411 videos i grew up loving, all nike. and some obey shit was wheatpasted on the other small side with the bowl(dont know if thats even there anymore).
i did work at a shop however, and little ones would come in asking for "Jakowskis" "Jerowskis" and so on. $80 minimum mommy and daddy shell it out. most of these grommits did not skate. almost daily for months we send a pair of swooshes out the door. if not equal to than more than vans. and we sold a shiiiiiitload of vans.
now i also experienced people asking for rob dyrdeks dc skateboard. but thats neither here nor there.
i will attest that it seems as if some of these companies "give back" to skateboarding; as it was mentioned cons having workshops. nike paying certain ams or squads or filmers(johnny wilson?) what adidas does i cant say.
but does the good outweigh the bad?
shit i dont know but after 13 pages of comments(yup, read um all) + a jenkem interview i feel like i have a better understanding of the situation as a whole.
to me, seeing a big ass swoosh on someones feet is goofy as shit, no matter how rad you are that logo sticks out like a sore thumb. you can make ishod front feeble a 92 stair and i still wont want to buy nikes.
how long has the gonz addidas relationship been around? i feel like i read hes been with them a very long time but i may be mistaken.
so what do you do?
you dont want to end up with a homogenous shoe game! look at how fucked the media is! three main sources.
but stepping into a pair of hufs that blatently say "made in china" on the footbed doesnt feel great either.
where are emericas made?
why did adio die?
why wont osiris die?
does james hardy have a shoe sponsor?
c1 denim making a comeback?
why did 88 die; was that skater owned?
vita! who started that?
savier...who wouldve thought youd come back to haunt us all.
where do we go from here?
capitalism might be the real issue but im not trying to stir that pot.
footwear that works sounds exciting. looking forward to something...else
lets form a union.
anti nike.
Fuck yeah man. This post got me hyped. As far as your list here's what I remember:
where are emericas made? - china, vietnam or taiwan probably. Some vulc in Indo?
why did adio die? - because of Journeys. Kenny Anderson and Bam shoes went mainstream, they didn't focus on small shops and when it died in the mainstream the small shops didn't want them back.
why wont osiris die? - because of Journeys. Seems like they make Journeys whatever they want.
does james hardy have a shoe sponsor? - I dunno, maybe I can get him on FTW
c1 denim making a comeback? - I heard they are trying.
why did 88 die; was that skater owned? - it was, it turned into Vox.
vita! who started that? - Natas and Mark Oblow I think...and Dill rode for them
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So while Ken Block spins donuts on a shutdown Bay Bridge, Josh Kalis takes a 75% pay cut.
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So while Ken Block spins donuts on a shutdown Bay Bridge, Josh Kalis takes a 75% pay cut.
Nope. Cause DC is exectly what dannydee talks about.
They project "core" to skaters, but they are anything but
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So while Ken Block spins donuts on a shutdown Bay Bridge, Josh Kalis takes a 75% pay cut.
Nope.
Ahh, I see why you said Nope. Kalis took a pay cut in the last 2 years. Ken Block was spinning donuts on a barge in the SF Bay next to the bridge in 2012. My bad.
The most popular DC Gymkhana car video has nearly 79 more million views than the most popular skateboard video on the DC Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/user/DCshoesFILM/videos?sort=p&view=0&flow=grid (https://www.youtube.com/user/DCshoesFILM/videos?sort=p&view=0&flow=grid)
Josh Kalis, when you say you are diversified does that mean investing your money wisely or more along the lines of being involved in multiple companies with products out on each?
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Kalis while you're at it what is your routing number
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Who the fuck cares ???!!
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Kalis while you're at it what is your routing number
Asking a professional skateboarder who can manage to take a 75% pay cut from a shoe sponsor for diversification advice seems like a wise thing to do. Quite the far cry from asking for a routing number. Seems like a lot of current skateboarders could learn a thing or two in this situation.
Who the fuck cares ???!!
14 pages deep in a thread and this is what you bring to the table?
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Isn't Richard Mulder doing very well in real estate? That's a pretty good example.
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Isn't Richard Mulder doing very well in real estate? That's a pretty good example.
Mulder is a preacher now, if he's doing well in RE good on him!
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Skaters need to sign up on Wu-Tang financial
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Isn't Richard Mulder doing very well in real estate? That's a pretty good example.
Him, Danny Montoya, and Scott Kane all work together. Don't know how well they are doing, I know they sell real estate. Pretty sure it was said at one point Kareem was making good money off of income properties and that's was his main focus over City Stars in the early 2000's. But as is well known alot of people were real estate rich in the early 2000's and weren't by 2007.
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So while Ken Block spins donuts on a shutdown Bay Bridge, Josh Kalis takes a 75% pay cut.
Nope.
Ahh, I see why you said Nope. Kalis took a pay cut in the last 2 years. Ken Block was spinning donuts on a barge in the SF Bay next to the bridge in 2012. My bad.
The most popular DC Gymkhana car video has nearly 79 more million views than the most popular skateboard video on the DC Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/user/DCshoesFILM/videos?sort=p&view=0&flow=grid (https://www.youtube.com/user/DCshoesFILM/videos?sort=p&view=0&flow=grid)
Josh Kalis, when you say you are diversified does that mean investing your money wisely or more along the lines of being involved in multiple companies with products out on each?
I have multiple things going on outside of skateboarding so i dont really rely on my skate money. I do.. but if skateboarding vanished in the next couple years.. I'm good.
I do have multiple products on different companies... sometimes they do decent.. sometimes they don't.
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Hahaha.. I found that pair of those Adidas. Believe it or not these were huge in the NYC street skateboarding scene of the late eighties.. just as big as these dunks.
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e15/11376593_493359570840237_1536994411_n.jpg)
Ha.. these shoes cost $20 dollars a pop. If I could go back in time.
I owned many pairs of those Adidas Instincts. They were still cheaply built with the painted outsoles and weak dye. Jordan's were sort of an anomaly since they were well built (unlike the original Dunks) but less bulky than Weapons or Ewings. I couldn't bring myself to wear those Ellesses, although you could pick them up for $15.
In any case, I saw non-skate shoes in the mid-80s as an economic necessity. 95% of skaters, including those in magazines, wore Vans High Tops. Neil Blender was the only pro to wear basketball shoes until the first picture of Gonz wearing Jordans at Oahu skate camp ran in Thrasher. Ubiquitous bargain bin Jordans were comparable in price to $31 Vans Highs, but didn't blow out as fast. By the late '80s, almost every skater wore last season's dead stock basketball shoes since Vans still couldn't figure out the ollie patch and Airwalk was trying to shake their initial Mervyn's association. Eventually a skate shoe industry emerged to address the issues that non-skate shoes couldn't resolve.
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where do we go from here?
capitalism might be the real issue but im not trying to stir that pot.
That's a pot that definitely needs to be stirred.
A bunch of humans, all making the same shit, trying to make it for less, trying to sell more than the other one, sometimes progression, unfortunately a lot of regression. #putAlogoOnIt
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I saw Jamie Thomas in the flesh once....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-DzKmQdFV4&feature=gp-n-y&google_comment_id=z13rhpl5cljcttcmm22dhhtqvpu1u1n1z
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i can this is a real ... HOT TOPIC 8)
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I don't like to see Fallen going under. At the same time, I wear plenty of Nike shoes because I've always been into streetwear, but I can say that for the last 10 years I have only bought at Nike Clearance Stores/through connects/a sponsorship program I had. Even though I have a few Nike SB sneakers, I don't skate in Nikes, I mainly skate Emerica and Supra, which can last me a long while.
I can totally appreciate that it must be devastating to know that at a moment in time, Fallen must have had a few million thrown at them to be bought by some company. Most people here would feel cheated, but I can actually sympathize with Thomas if he decided to sell. Why? Because when the going gets tough, there is no mercy. There have to be pro skaters out there whose name nobody remembers that simply took the cash from their pro-models on Adio and other companies and made a life out of it for themselves. So if some snowboard comes and offers you a lifetime of financial stability, fuck being core, because that is what little kids who don't have to maintain a house do (and should do). If you get offered a lot of money for a company that you created, take the money and run.
Also, to anyone saying shit to Kalis and Thomas, just because in this day and age you get to have the opportunity to hear from them about these things, it doesn't mean that you have to disrespect them while playing around in your backyard. It's a good thing that they don't mind coming out here to contribute to discussions on a culture they love, even though some idiots are mispelling their name on purpose and saying things that they would never say to their face because they would fan out instead of acting like normal people, which is what they are doing here. Not saying that you can't throw criticism, like question Jamie on why he helped New Balance, but there are better ways of asking that if you want an answer rather than just throw an insult.
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Starting any form of skateboard brand is tough. It's a saturated market. Making it for as long as Fallen did is impressive.
It's not like we have a shortage of shoe, deck, wheel, bearing, clothing, and media options.
Personally, I wouldn't start anything in skateboarding unless it offered something completely different.
If it's ABD you gotta do it way better. If it's NBD you better hope it's on point and gets respected.
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^Definitely. I think for hard goods it's always going to be an ABD because the materials that are used have been tested for decades. Unless we use something better than aluminum for trucks, that's all I can think of.
The footwear department most definitely has area for improvement. Someone needs to come along and make shit that's focused less on flimsy fashion bullshit and more on simplicity and quality.
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Also, to anyone saying shit to Khalis and Thomas...
...even though some idiots are mispelling their names
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So if some snowboard comes and offers you a lifetime of financial stability, fuck being core
Next time a snowboard offers me anything I'll sure as shit take it
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...even though some idiots are mispelling their names
lol, unreal.
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lol, unreal.
Lol. I don't mind the on going joke. I believe it started from spell check. Now it's a thing. All good though. I enjoy the debates and the difference of opinions.
I have plenty of really rad emails from slap pals who have gave me a hard time on here... But person to person are cool as fuck. All good.
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lol, unreal.
Lol. I don't mind the on going joke. I believe it started from spell check. Now it's a thing. All good though. I enjoy the debates and the difference of opinions.
I have plenty of really rad emails from slap pals who have gave me a hard time on here... But person to person are cool as fuck. All good.
If you could go ahead and have a DGK Kakis graphic made that'd be great. 10/10 would buy.
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lol, unreal.
Lol. I don't mind the on going joke. I believe it started from spell check. Now it's a thing. All good though. I enjoy the debates and the difference of opinions.
I have plenty of really rad emails from slap pals who have gave me a hard time on here... But person to person are cool as fuck. All good.
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Hahaha.. I found that pair of those Adidas. Believe it or not these were huge in the NYC street skateboarding scene of the late eighties.. just as big as these dunks.
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e15/11376593_493359570840237_1536994411_n.jpg)
Ha.. these shoes cost $20 dollars a pop. If I could go back in time.
I owned many pairs of those Adidas Instincts. They were still cheaply built with the painted outsoles and weak dye. Jordan's were sort of an anomaly since they were well built (unlike the original Dunks) but less bulky than Weapons or Ewings. I couldn't bring myself to wear those Ellesses, although you could pick them up for $15.
In any case, I saw non-skate shoes in the mid-80s as an economic necessity. 95% of skaters, including those in magazines, wore Vans High Tops. Neil Blender was the only pro to wear basketball shoes until the first picture of Gonz wearing Jordans at Oahu skate camp ran in Thrasher. Ubiquitous bargain bin Jordans were comparable in price to $31 Vans Highs, but didn't blow out as fast. By the late '80s, almost every skater wore last season's dead stock basketball shoes since Vans still couldn't figure out the ollie patch and Airwalk was trying to shake their initial Mervyn's association. Eventually a skate shoe industry emerged to address the issues that non-skate shoes couldn't resolve.
We rock the CONS rex 400 hardly in the late 80s - you got them super cheap. Skateshoes where cooler but 3 times the price.
i had some Vans Caballero which was unbelievable expensive - i didnt buy them regular - some kid in my town which had fucking rich
parents got them - and i trade them against some dope i steal from my dad.
But if i would skate with that shoes my friends think i would be stupid - CONS and shoe-goo was the way to go.
Airwalk become big - but the sole was so unbelievable bad. You run through the sole in 2 weeks.
The first skate shoe which was affordable in europe was the airwalk vic.
I dreamed to get the Natas Etnies - which was a european brand back then but unbelievable difficult to get.
Its the same today - in my opinion the most skate shoe brands didn't build up a proper distribution in europe.
I am not wondering about the failure from brands like lakai, vox, ipath - it was nearly impossible to get them.
Still today you have at any Footlocker NewBalance - but the Skateshoes you only get in UK.
3 years ago it was not possible to get a black halfcab in europe - some stupid purchasing/ sales or product manger
in a warehouse in italy decide to run only other color way for a couple of seasons.
right now i try to get an Gilbert Crockett Mid in Black or an Chima Estate Pro in Black - i already visit
3 proper "Core" Skate and 2 Vans Shops - not possible to order or organize.
But the swoosh you get fucking everywhere.
I dont know if you only can blame the consumer that skater owned companies didt run.
and its quit easy to blame nike for it. but if you want to build up something you need to be better
or at least cooler then your competitors. And you need to handle your fucking business.
i have not many skate related companies in my mind right now i would say they do it right.
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where do you guys see this team going? like jon dickson or slash, who else do you see them riding for? emerica? what about dane burman or crevantes? it makes me wonder.
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where do you guys see this team going? like jon dickson or slash, who else do you see them riding for? emerica? what about dane burman or crevantes? it makes me wonder.
The truth? Nobody.
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where do you guys see this team going? like jon dickson or slash, who else do you see them riding for? emerica? what about dane burman or crevantes? it makes me wonder.
The truth? Nobody.
I have to agree with this, sadly. Fallen is one of those brands you can't really recover from. It's kind of like Vox. Not many have been able to go from Fallen to something else, with the exception of Gilbert Crockett and Chris Cole. But they are something else, they are insanely high caliber and would be sought after. Dane and Slash would need to approach a company probably, not the other way around.
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Who from dekline has managed to get a shoe sponsor?
Could see slash on supra unless they go under too. It's a crime if two of the gnarliest dudes ever like Dane and Tommy are not able to land anything more than a nike flow, but I don't really see them fitting on anything right now
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Who from dekline has managed to get a shoe sponsor?
Could see slash on supra unless they go under too. It's a crime if two of the gnarliest dudes ever like Dane and Tommy are not able to land anything more than a nike flow, but I don't really see them fitting on anything right now
Tim Tim on New Balance. Matt B Vans (but also works for Vans so I'm not sure how to classify that). Blake Carpenter Nike (before it went under though.)
You're right though, a lot of those guys were left in the dust by that. Sucks.
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Hahaha.. I found that pair of those Adidas. Believe it or not these were huge in the NYC street skateboarding scene of the late eighties.. just as big as these dunks.
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e15/11376593_493359570840237_1536994411_n.jpg)
Ha.. these shoes cost $20 dollars a pop. If I could go back in time.
I owned many pairs of those Adidas Instincts. They were still cheaply built with the painted outsoles and weak dye. Jordan's were sort of an anomaly since they were well built (unlike the original Dunks) but less bulky than Weapons or Ewings. I couldn't bring myself to wear those Ellesses, although you could pick them up for $15.
In any case, I saw non-skate shoes in the mid-80s as an economic necessity. 95% of skaters, including those in magazines, wore Vans High Tops. Neil Blender was the only pro to wear basketball shoes until the first picture of Gonz wearing Jordans at Oahu skate camp ran in Thrasher. Ubiquitous bargain bin Jordans were comparable in price to $31 Vans Highs, but didn't blow out as fast. By the late '80s, almost every skater wore last season's dead stock basketball shoes since Vans still couldn't figure out the ollie patch and Airwalk was trying to shake their initial Mervyn's association. Eventually a skate shoe industry emerged to address the issues that non-skate shoes couldn't resolve.
i had some of those instincts..went from Jordan Ones to those..but then discovered Saucony Hang Times, which were almost as good as the Jordans and crazy cheap. ..when those ran out I went to Vans authentics and old schools, got psyched on board feel and skating low tops.
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Who from dekline has managed to get a shoe sponsor?
Sinclair
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Is Mr. Tim Tim officially on #NB ?
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Fallen is one of those brands you can't really recover from.
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It's funny how having grown up skating during the early-mid 2000s warps my perception of the current skate industry climate. To me, Fallen was major, you'd never think of it as a place on par with Vox.
I hope Tommy finds a new home
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Could see slash on supra unless they go under too. It's a crime if two of the gnarliest dudes ever like Dane and Tommy are not able to land anything more than a nike flow, but I don't really see them fitting on anything right now
Tim Tim on New Balance. Matt B Vans (but also works for Vans so I'm not sure how to classify that). Blake Carpenter Nike (before it went under though.)
You're right though, a lot of those guys were left in the dust by that. Sucks.
Dakota Servold has been wearing NB too
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Is Mr. Tim Tim officially on #NB ?
yeah.. his name is on the new ad in thrasher
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where do you guys see this team going? like jon dickson or slash, who else do you see them riding for? emerica? what about dane burman or crevantes? it makes me wonder.
I think dane is already getting hooked up NB#. Im pretty sure that what he's been wearing on his latest instagram videos. I really hope Tommy Guns finds a new home. Cant really see him on anything other then fallen. Maybe DC?
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And right when Koston was starting to seem less douchey
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Skatin at the HB park today I noticed what I thought was the Nike Team bustin out with the gear n shoes n everything. Actually it was just the Bro Style team minus Leo.
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And right when Koston was starting to seem less douchey
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When Jamie runs out of old Fallens
https://instagram.com/p/BFQLJI6pA1X/ (https://instagram.com/p/BFQLJI6pA1X/)
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When Jamie runs out of old Fallens
https://instagram.com/p/BFQLJI6pA1X/ (https://instagram.com/p/BFQLJI6pA1X/)
:D
This guy could keep him stocked for a good year or two
http://iconosquare.com/p/1247259788811147249_1529443556#sthash.QVC5wEXR.dpuf (http://iconosquare.com/p/1247259788811147249_1529443556#sthash.QVC5wEXR.dpuf)
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Hopefully working on a part with someone from Fallen. I could see him on Etnies
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Still watch ride the sky weekly, will be picking up some on discount hopefully