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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: I SUCK! on November 28, 2016, 01:04:21 PM
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we are setting up a small operation to sell & distribute Zero independently in the new year.
our goal is to focus on doing things small and well by servicing the best accounts and distributors. we'd like to continue to use dsm (dwindle) as our board manufacturer for the intl. market and we're setting up manufacturing for north america in the US & mexico.
the dwindle staff is amazing and they have been very supportive, but zero is small and what makes the most sense for us is to be independent and connect with the shops, distributors & end customers directly that appreciate the brand and it's history.
if you're a shop or distributor and would like to get set up to order zero directly, please send your email to: [email protected]
below is the message that dwindle sent out last week. obviously, feel free to talk shit, give your 2 cents/advice or ignore this post -jt
From: Bod Boyle, Dwindle Distribution 11/23/16
"This message is to act as a notice of change to the working relationship between Zero Skateboards and Dwindle Distribution. After the end of the initial term of the license/distribution agreement between Zero and Dwindle, Jamie Thomas has decided to run the brand independently. He will be setting up his offices in Carlsbad, California. Dwindle will continue to sell and deliver all Zero product until Jan 15th 2017."
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Dwindle sucks. Dane Burman is the best. Good luck Jamie.
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Wishing you and yours the best of luck, Chief.
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Hell yeah chief
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Black Label does it. Stoked for you guys good luck. I will buy a zero deck now
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Thanks for coming straight to Slap with this JT. I wish you well. I also wish the rest of the industry would be so direct.
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Glad to see Zero staying above water through everything. Zero has been a solid brand since the start so it would be real shame to see it go. Good luck Jamie, thanks for keeping it real.
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If you wanted to sell decks and keep zero alive, you shouldn't have kicked forrest..
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Dwindle sucks. Dane Burman is the best. Good luck Jamie.
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Sick!!
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Best of luck!
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zero boards with better wood now? sounds good, good luck man
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I hope things work out. That last No Cash Value vid was a real reminder of how gnarly and awesome Zero is.
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Decent.
Props Chief!
What does that mean for Intl. stores?
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Well, i dont even know what to think of this, i hope it works out but im not sure if it will
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why, Why, WHY DSM WOOD FOR EUROPE?
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Best of the luck chief, if you keep doing 8,75 everything will be fine
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Every time I hear a rumor about Zero not doing well or an avenue falling through ran by Jamie I picture that "nah, one more" 5-0.
Good luck, Jamie, can't wait to own a copy of No Cash Value.
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why, Why, WHY DSM WOOD FOR EUROPE?
cause it's good and that's what we have in place. have you ridden a zero board from DSM? it's all myself and the team ride & we love them.
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why, Why, WHY DSM WOOD FOR EUROPE?
cause it's good and that's what we have in place. have you ridden a zero board from DSM? it's all myself and the team ride & we love them.
Do you already have a certain mfg in mind for North American boards? I'm based in Europe but have sworn to never ride dwindle boards again, but I've been really hyped on Zero for the past couple of years and considering I'm in the US once a year I would love to support.
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Just make sure to keep things running along nicely for a while, staying respected within skating, before getting too big for your distressed denim britches and "diversifying" all over the goddamn place.
I'd say running a small, independent brand should work out well through the third quarter of 2017; after that you should consider adding a few more niche brands to the stable and maybe a shoe company or a price point imprint.
If you need any pointers on this stuff, Chief, I can put you in touch with some of the business consultants at Ernst & Young.
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why, Why, WHY DSM WOOD FOR EUROPE?
cause it's good and that's what we have in place. have you ridden a zero board from DSM? it's all myself and the team ride & we love them.
its good, yes, compared to other non-american woodshops, i`ll give you that, no question. but if i have the chance to ride ps, generator, bareback, sadly i will always choose those, i guess. danes new part might change that though. (or, hint hint, a franky villani board).
in any case, thanks for responding to my reply, much appreciated!
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Glad to see Zero staying above water through everything. Zero has been a solid brand since the start so it would be real shame to see it go. Good luck Jamie, thanks for keeping it real.
I see what you did there...
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why, Why, WHY DSM WOOD FOR EUROPE?
cause it's good and that's what we have in place. have you ridden a zero board from DSM? it's all myself and the team ride & we love them.
its good, yes, compared to other non-american woodshops, i`ll give you that, no question. but if i have the chance to ride ps, generator, bareback, sadly i will always choose those, i guess. danes new part might change that though. (or, hint hint, a franky villani board).
in any case, thanks for responding to my reply, much appreciated!
There you go again, Hercules, flirting with me subconsciously.
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Dwindle boards are solid it just sucks they're made in China. Let's hope Trump can bring those jobs back to NA
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Taking the proverbial leap of faith. I dig it
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Stoked. Generator wood pls.
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Glad to see Zero staying above water through everything. Zero has been a solid brand since the start so it would be real shame to see it go. Good luck Jamie, thanks for keeping it real.
I see what you did there...
I legitimately have no idea what I did there. Did I accidentally reference something? Is it cool?
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A friend of mine had been skating Zero boards/clothes since hes part of the van. He reminds me why Zero is so good every time we are driving around when hes in charge of the music. We play this game that he puts a song from a videopart and we guess the part and describe tricks...hes really into those videos.
I wore Zero hoodies when I was in high school and actually my first skateboard was the American Zero just because how cool the THPS character was. My first four or five skateboards were Zero. I want a Misled Youth shirt now. Good luck JT. Zero is forever !
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why, Why, WHY DSM WOOD FOR EUROPE?
cause it's good and that's what we have in place. have you ridden a zero board from DSM? it's all myself and the team ride & we love them.
its good, yes, compared to other non-american woodshops, i`ll give you that, no question. but if i have the chance to ride ps, generator, bareback, sadly i will always choose those, i guess. danes new part might change that though. (or, hint hint, a franky villani board).
in any case, thanks for responding to my reply, much appreciated!
There you go again, Hercules, flirting with me subconsciously.
To be fair your name is GAY...
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Zero been in rocky waters for like what 3yrs now and still hung on. That's what's impressive. how many companys have completely sunk in that time. Scaling down could work out seeing as other small brands are surviving. I've never been a fan of zero's art direction, so I've never bought one. Hopefully, there's a zero logo board in my size around next time I need a deck.
When was the last time anyone here skated a dwindle board?
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Glad to see Zero staying above water through everything. Zero has been a solid brand since the start so it would be real shame to see it go. Good luck Jamie, thanks for keeping it real.
I see what you did there...
I legitimately have no idea what I did there. Did I accidentally reference something? Is it cool?
Eh, above water=up stream. ::) Bad joke... Continue...
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Good luck JT! Also good shit on No Cash Value! Dane is a monster!
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why, Why, WHY DSM WOOD FOR EUROPE?
cause it's good and that's what we have in place. have you ridden a zero board from DSM? it's all myself and the team ride & we love them.
Can vouch for this too, the Zero's from dwindle are great, snappy long lasting, great boards
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Good stuff. I've always been a zero fan. Some misled youth tees and hoods would be the cherry on the cake if you can keep those a regular thing.
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Any idea when the first batch will hit stores? I'll definetely pick one up. When's the new clothing catalog coming out?
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Hyped.
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why, Why, WHY DSM WOOD FOR EUROPE?
cause it's good and that's what we have in place. have you ridden a zero board from DSM? it's all myself and the team ride & we love them.
Can vouch for this too, the Zero's from dwindle are great, snappy long lasting, great boards
Ditto: I was on the Dwindle hate train until I skated a Cliche Eldridge deck last spring. It seriously lasted twice as long as any other board. Stayed stiff too. A little heavier but solid wood.
Good luck Chief.
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Turn Franky pro!
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Turn Franky pro!
working on it
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^ hope this means a new part soon
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working on it
and put JS on!!
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and put JS on!!
and some other canadians.
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and some other canadians.
Both Tracer and Mark Appleyard are available Chief. :o
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why, Why, WHY DSM WOOD FOR EUROPE?
cause it's good and that's what we have in place. have you ridden a zero board from DSM? it's all myself and the team ride & we love them.
its good, yes, compared to other non-american woodshops, i`ll give you that, no question. but if i have the chance to ride ps, generator, bareback, sadly i will always choose those, i guess. danes new part might change that though. (or, hint hint, a franky villani board).
in any case, thanks for responding to my reply, much appreciated!
There you go again, Hercules, flirting with me subconsciously.
To be fair your name is GAY...
you cracked the code!
and you know thats no coincidence, GAY, right?
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best of luck, jamie T
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Yeah, best of luck, you deserve it.
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I think you are doing it right, the transition from big company to smaller operation has maintained the original flavour of the brand. The new team members such as Franky or Windsor add a really good vibe too. It almost has a smaller brand feel (like Polar or $lave). I think your apparel line has a really good potential to grow.
Stay focused on Zero, skateboarding and your family, and don't lose too much energy and time on side projects.
Dwindle wood was never an issue for me, had a lot of enjoi boards and a couple of almost and it was never bad.
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Zero been in rocky waters for like what 3yrs now and still hung on. That's what's impressive. how many companys have completely sunk in that time. Scaling down could work out seeing as other small brands are surviving. I've never been a fan of zero's art direction, so I've never bought one. Hopefully, there's a zero logo board in my size around next time I need a deck.
When was the last time anyone here skated a dwindle board?
Had a Zero not so long ago, think it was one of those Resin ones. It chipped pretty quickly but the pop and rigidity lasted for like two months, would definitely skate again!
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Zero goes solo
Welcome now in zumiez
#trendwatch2k17
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do younger kids buy zero boards? best of luck, skulls in 2016..
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Good luck, Jamie
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I used to skate Zero's a lot in 09' and 2010, but I think that last one I had was around 2012. Would be hyped to try a few zero boards again when this new project is released. Glad to see it's going back to a more independatly run company - dwindle managed to put cliche under so get out of there while you can!!
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I want you to print the billy corgan long sleeve
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won't be buying anything from zero before forrest is pro
that being said cold war is one of my favorite videos of the recent years
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I usually don't like Zero graphics at all really but the propaganda series was cool. Especially Boserio and Sandoval, which also happened to be my size. Kinda missed out on those as I usually don't pay attention to Zero. Zero videos on the other hand are great IMO. Been after the Anthology DVD for a while, but no luck yet. I could definitely see myself buying a Zero board in the future if the graphics are on point.
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sounds like a good move JT. stoked to see how this goes. also, no cash value DVD would be sick...
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and put JS on!!
JS will be introduced when he finishes a vx part
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I am very curious to see how Zero changes after heading out on it's own.
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low key best photo shop I've seen in awhile
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low key best photo shop I've seen in awhile
Yeah this was lolz for real.
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and some other canadians.
No. The skateboard industry should have learned its lesson from guys like Paul Machnau, Alex Chalmers, Micky Papa, and a long list of others...nobody gives a shit about Canadians no matter how talented they are.
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and some other canadians.
No. The skateboard industry should have learned its lesson from guys like Paul Machnau, Alex Chalmers, Micky Papa, and a long list of others...nobody gives a shit about Canadians no matter how talented they are.
Yeah! no one ever gave a single fuck about Rick McCrank.....
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I want you to print the billy corgan long sleeve
http://zeroskateboards.com/product/army-ls-black/ (http://zeroskateboards.com/product/army-ls-black/)
Not the exact same, but...
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JT whatever happened to Slave
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and some other canadians.
No. The skateboard industry should have learned its lesson from guys like Paul Machnau, Alex Chalmers, Micky Papa, and a long list of others...nobody gives a shit about Canadians no matter how talented they are.
Good god. Come on dude get over the smug arbitrary nationalism.
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I feel like there's two types of Canadian skaters. The ones who end up in digital videos and on the blind team, and the ones who move away from Canada and are able to have a successful skateboard career.
I wish Russ Milligan didn't blow his load early on with a digital part, he could have had something when he got on City/Think but was relegated to the Canadian DVS team shoe wise.
Edit: exception to this rule is Bobby Dekeyzer somehow. McCrank moved to California and started a great career but then moved back to Canada and hasn't had a shoe sponsor since the first downfall of Es. That's not a coincidence.
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What's up with that Chris Wimer dude? He's great. Him and Franky should be the next zero push.
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I feel like there's two types of skaters. The ones who end up in digital videos and on the blind team, and the ones who are able to have a successful skateboard career.
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I feel like there's two types of Canadian skaters. The ones who end up in digital videos and on the blind team, and the ones who move away from Canada and are able to have a successful skateboard career.
I wish Russ Milligan didn't blow his load early on with a digital part, he could have had something when he got on City/Think but was relegated to the Canadian DVS team shoe wise.
Edit: exception to this rule is Bobby Dekeyzer somehow. McCrank moved to California and started a great career but then moved back to Canada and hasn't had a shoe sponsor since the first downfall of Es. That's not a coincidence.
There are tons of examples of canadian that made it.
What I think Reagan was meaning, is that being canadian is an obstacle to make a great career.
For example, do you think Kevin Terpening or Cooper Wilt would have been pro if they were canadian, while Russ Milligan, Ted Degros and so many other super talented canadian skateboarders struggled?
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why, Why, WHY DSM WOOD FOR EUROPE?
cause it's good and that's what we have in place. have you ridden a zero board from DSM? it's all myself and the team ride & we love them.
I'm bummed we won't have DSM wood stateside =( I love the wood. I'm in the minority here. I like NHS/DSM wood and hate PS stix (it's heavy and soggy to me). BBS? Generator?
What about Prime/watson/churchill/chapman/pennswoood? Plenty of US options...that would be rad.
Can we get some more Zero P2s now? :P
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I feel like there's two types of Canadian skaters. The ones who end up in digital videos and on the blind team, and the ones who move away from Canada and are able to have a successful skateboard career.
I wish Russ Milligan didn't blow his load early on with a digital part, he could have had something when he got on City/Think but was relegated to the Canadian DVS team shoe wise.
Edit: exception to this rule is Bobby Dekeyzer somehow. McCrank moved to California and started a great career but then moved back to Canada and hasn't had a shoe sponsor since the first downfall of Es. That's not a coincidence.
There are tons of examples of canadian that made it.
What I think Reagan was meaning, is that being canadian is an obstacle to make a great career.
For example, do you think Kevin Terpening or Cooper Wilt would have been pro if they were canadian, while Russ Milligan, Ted Degros and so many other super talented canadian skateboarders struggled?
You shouldn't give Gipper's statement your own interpretation of context (right or wrong), as you are dampening the entertainment value of his follow up.
Not hating on you Gipp, but you are an overt human ball of hypocrisy. As long as you realize it it's ok.
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I can't think of a single Canadian who has made an impact on skateboarding. Not one, not a single Canadian in all of skateboarding. They're all no-names and losers with big shirts and phat Circas.
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Lee Yankou is from Canada.
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That dude that died trying switch front board on el toro was Canadian
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That dude that died trying switch front board on el toro was Canadian
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That dude that died trying switch front board on el toro was Canadian
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I am very curious to see how Zero changes after heading out on it's own.
They won't be a company in a year or two...
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Fuck I can't believe I was successfully trolled by The Gip resulting in another thread being derailed.
Please revoke my Pal status, for I am n00b :(
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That dude that died trying switch front board on el toro was Canadian
Say again?
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That dude that died trying switch front board on el toro was Canadian
Say again?
Dan Pageau. He's still alive, and will always be alive because legends never die.
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Isn't Wade Desarmo Canadian? Rick Howard? Ridiculous to write off an entire nation.
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I feel like there's two types of Canadian skaters. The ones who end up in digital videos and on the blind team, and the ones who move away from Canada and are able to have a successful skateboard career.
I wish Russ Milligan didn't blow his load early on with a digital part, he could have had something when he got on City/Think but was relegated to the Canadian DVS team shoe wise.
Edit: exception to this rule is Bobby Dekeyzer somehow. McCrank moved to California and started a great career but then moved back to Canada and hasn't had a shoe sponsor since the first downfall of Es. That's not a coincidence.
There are tons of examples of canadian that made it.
What I think Reagan was meaning, is that being canadian is an obstacle to make a great career.
For example, do you think Kevin Terpening or Cooper Wilt would have been pro if they were canadian, while Russ Milligan, Ted Degros and so many other super talented canadian skateboarders struggled?
You shouldn't give Gipper's statement your own interpretation of context (right or wrong), as you are dampening the entertainment value of his follow up.
Not hating on you Gipp, but you are an overt human ball of hypocrisy. As long as you realize it it's ok.
How am I hypocritical? I'm not Canadian.
Isn't Wade Desarmo Canadian? Rick Howard? Ridiculous to write off an entire nation.
Yes, Wade Desarmo is Canadian, which actually helps my point, as does the mention of people like Dan Pageau. Great skaters, but most people just don't give a shit.
I agree that its ridiculous to write off an entire nation, unless that nation is Canada.
Lee Yankou is from Canada.
You almost have a point there- Yankou, like others I mentioned, is amazing, but he's been relegated to virtual no-name status because he's Canadian. When he was an impostor American living in SF, he was starting to blow up, but then La Migra kicked his ass out, and BOOM! he got all Canadian again, and people stopped caring aside from the once a year when Canada is cool: The Dime Glory Challenge.
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Did you get beat down by some GSPs or what??
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What is a GSP? A member of the "Golly! So Polite!" crew?
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I feel like there's two types of Canadian skaters. The ones who end up in digital videos and on the blind team, and the ones who move away from Canada and are able to have a successful skateboard career.
I wish Russ Milligan didn't blow his load early on with a digital part, he could have had something when he got on City/Think but was relegated to the Canadian DVS team shoe wise.
Edit: exception to this rule is Bobby Dekeyzer somehow. McCrank moved to California and started a great career but then moved back to Canada and hasn't had a shoe sponsor since the first downfall of Es. That's not a coincidence.
There are tons of examples of canadian that made it.
What I think Reagan was meaning, is that being canadian is an obstacle to make a great career.
For example, do you think Kevin Terpening or Cooper Wilt would have been pro if they were canadian, while Russ Milligan, Ted Degros and so many other super talented canadian skateboarders struggled?
You shouldn't give Gipper's statement your own interpretation of context (right or wrong), as you are dampening the entertainment value of his follow up.
Not hating on you Gipp, but you are an overt human ball of hypocrisy. As long as you realize it it's ok.
How am I hypocritical? I'm not Canadian.
You criticize those of whom paint with a broad brush, and make generalizations. Then proceed to do that very same thing yourself.
I don't personally care either way, but I do find it kind of funny given your history.
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What is a GSP? A member of the "Golly! So Polite!" crew?
lol you're on fire today, keep it up :D
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I can't think of a single Canadian who has made an impact on skateboarding. Not one, not a single Canadian in all of skateboarding. They're all no-names and loosers with big shirts and phat Circas.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSGLV4GWUAA4fMS.jpg)
I was enjoying this post until the end then it all fell apart.
sincerely,
a canadian looser
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I went to Montreal and fell asleep with my thumb in a girl's butt hole so Canada is fine in my book.
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I went to Montreal and fell asleep with my thumb in a girl's butt hole so Canada is fine in my book.
I fell asleep with my face in a girl's ass who was from Montreal. So I guess Montreal butt hole is fine in both our books.
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Canada produced both Gailea Momolu and Dime, so it's a pretty cool place in my book.
Plus, Trailer Park Boys.
Poutine, too.
Man, fuck you Gip!!!
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Fuck trailer park boys, and you wouldn't have passed out if it was good butthole...
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I feel like there's two types of Canadian skaters. The ones who end up in digital videos and on the blind team, and the ones who move away from Canada and are able to have a successful skateboard career.
I wish Russ Milligan didn't blow his load early on with a digital part, he could have had something when he got on City/Think but was relegated to the Canadian DVS team shoe wise.
Edit: exception to this rule is Bobby Dekeyzer somehow. McCrank moved to California and started a great career but then moved back to Canada and hasn't had a shoe sponsor since the first downfall of Es. That's not a coincidence.
There are tons of examples of canadian that made it.
What I think Reagan was meaning, is that being canadian is an obstacle to make a great career.
For example, do you think Kevin Terpening or Cooper Wilt would have been pro if they were canadian, while Russ Milligan, Ted Degros and so many other super talented canadian skateboarders struggled?
You shouldn't give Gipper's statement your own interpretation of context (right or wrong), as you are dampening the entertainment value of his follow up.
Not hating on you Gipp, but you are an overt human ball of hypocrisy. As long as you realize it it's ok.
How am I hypocritical? I'm not Canadian.
You criticize those of whom paint with a broad brush, and make generalizations. Then proceed to do that very same thing yourself.
I don't personally care either way, but I do find it kind of funny given your history.
um.....no.
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"Fuck trailer park boys"
What kind of monster are you? Jeez
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More Marisa footage, please.
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I went to Montreal and fell asleep with my thumb in a girl's butt hole so Canada is fine in my book.
I fell asleep with my face in a girl's ass who was from Montreal. So I guess Montreal butt hole is fine in both our books.
Was she Asian? Not that it might be the same girl, but it would be cool if yours was too.
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That was quite the derailment. Stoked to hear Jamie, grats on the move and as always...good luck. Hyped that you are still taking care of
Windsor. I might need to break out the box set!
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Yeah I could go for a O.G. skull logo hoodie right about now. For old times sake.
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Was that a pre-Poo Wizard Keegan Sauder graphic?
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Maaaan, I got hyped on this thread's news and went out and bought a zero board. When I was skating home from setting it up at the shop I got caught in a suprise rainstorm. Like there wasnt even a cloud when I left the shop. Fuck, $50 down the drain.
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I am very curious to see how Zero changes after heading out on it's own.
They won't be a company in a year or two...
haha, 20 years deep and i still own it, we're not going anywhere
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JT whatever happened to Slave
ben horton runs it on his own; small operation, but only does cool shit
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What's up with that Chris Wimer dude? He's great. Him and Franky should be the next zero push.
they are
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More Marisa footage, please.
'best of' part coming soon w some other cool shit
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Maaaan, I got hyped on this thread's news and went out and bought a zero board. When I was skating home from setting it up at the shop I got caught in a suprise rainstorm. Like there wasnt even a cloud when I left the shop. Fuck, $50 down the drain.
my board fell in a river a few times a few weeks ago and it's still going, hopefully it's fine
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More Marisa footage, please.
Doesn't she ride Blood Wizard boards now? ask them
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Is there gonna be a DVD, if so, are Garrett and Brass still going to be featured or..
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Man, I love it when internet trolls with delusions of grandeur regarding their opinions spout some shit that proves just how clueless they really are. Keep enlightening us Gip, please.
ISUCK - glad to hear Zero is gonna keep on keepin' on. The video was rad. Thanks for the compliment on the Canadian shop tee a month or so ago in east LA - you and I actually shared the cover of a Transworld Business mag in the late 90's, which is a pretty random tidbit of trivia, I suppose. I'll say what's up if I run into ya at Poods before I have to head back north.
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Canada produced both Gailea Momolu and Dime, so it's a pretty cool place in my book.
Plus, Trailer Park Boys.
Poutine, too.
Man, fuck you Gip!!!
gailea momolu was born in Boston. He's not a real canadian
Dwindle boards are great for the first three days. They go flat and chip up though. It's easy to say the team loves skating the boards, but that's because they're setting up a new one every day/every other day. I used to love Zero shapes and wood. They were good flip trick boards. Admittedly I haven't had one since 2011 though
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Canada produced both Gailea Momolu and Dime, so it's a pretty cool place in my book.
Plus, Trailer Park Boys.
Poutine, too.
Man, fuck you Gip!!!
gailea momolu was born in Boston. He's not a real canadian
Dwindle boards are great for the first three days. They go flat and chip up though. It's easy to say the team loves skating the boards, but that's because they're setting up a new one every day/every other day. I used to love Zero shapes and wood. They were good flip trick boards. Admittedly I haven't had one since 2011 though
Not to mention- despite having a great style, dude didn't have much of a career. My point isn't talent, its marketability. Canadians are the least marketable dudes ever. The last time viable canadians came on the scene, the "new spot" in Vancouver was still going strong.
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What about Mexicans though, try to balance your ignorance
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yo isuck, i got picked up hitchhiking in jackson ms by some guy w/ cali plates who said he was like a silent partner in original zero. think his name was chris. any truth to that baby back bullshit? i just nodded patronizing cause i didn't wanna loose a ride behind calling bullshit but who knows?
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Can we just agree Canadians are subhumans at best?
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Can we just agree Canadians are subhumans at best?
Canada is black friday everyday for yanks, not sure what yall are bitching about!
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Canada produced both Gailea Momolu and Dime, so it's a pretty cool place in my book.
Plus, Trailer Park Boys.
Poutine, too.
Man, fuck you Gip!!!
gailea momolu was born in Boston. He's not a real canadian
Dwindle boards are great for the first three days. They go flat and chip up though. It's easy to say the team loves skating the boards, but that's because they're setting up a new one every day/every other day. I used to love Zero shapes and wood. They were good flip trick boards. Admittedly I haven't had one since 2011 though
Not to mention- despite having a great style, dude didn't have much of a career. My point isn't talent, its marketability. Canadians are the least marketable dudes ever. The last time viable canadians came on the scene, the "new spot" in Vancouver was still going strong.
canadians can keep lining up to skate for darkstar. I hear they're opening up some new spots on the team
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I went to Montreal and fell asleep with my thumb in a girl's butt hole so Canada is fine in my book.
I fell asleep with my face in a girl's ass who was from Montreal. So I guess Montreal butt hole is fine in both our books.
Was she Asian? Not that it might be the same girl, but it would be cool if yours was too.
No, but you're right that would have been cool. I like Asian girls and their butt holes.
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I went to Montreal and fell asleep with my thumb in a girl's butt hole so Canada is fine in my book.
I fell asleep with my face in a girl's ass who was from Montreal. So I guess Montreal butt hole is fine in both our books.
Was she Asian? Not that it might be the same girl, but it would be cool if yours was too.
No, but you're right that would have been cool. I like Asian girls and their butt holes.
Well let's work this out. She was in Montreal so maybe she's at least a little French. France was occupied by Nazi Germany in WWII and they were allied with Japan and Japanese people are definitely Asian. There you go. Your girl was both Asian and a Nazi sympathizer.
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I went to Montreal and fell asleep with my thumb in a girl's butt hole so Canada is fine in my book.
I fell asleep with my face in a girl's ass who was from Montreal. So I guess Montreal butt hole is fine in both our books.
Was she Asian? Not that it might be the same girl, but it would be cool if yours was too.
No, but you're right that would have been cool. I like Asian girls and their butt holes.
Well let's work this out. She was in Montreal so maybe she's at least a little French. France was occupied by Nazi Germany in WWII and they were allied with Japan and Japanese people are definitely Asian. There you go. Your girl was both Asian and a Nazi sympathizer.
Your story checks out. I'm cool with it.
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why, Why, WHY DSM WOOD FOR EUROPE?
cause it's good and that's what we have in place. have you ridden a zero board from DSM? it's all myself and the team ride & we love them.
its good, yes, compared to other non-american woodshops, i`ll give you that, no question. but if i have the chance to ride ps, generator, bareback, sadly i will always choose those, i guess. danes new part might change that though. (or, hint hint, a franky villani board).
in any case, thanks for responding to my reply, much appreciated!
There you go again, Hercules, flirting with me subconsciously.
To be fair your name is GAY...
you cracked the code!
and you know thats no coincidence, GAY, right?
I'm, like, so, like, totally blushing right now, bro.
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Too much talk about Asian butt hole in this thread, not enough Asian butt hole.
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/388b1f497f9477eae08e9ab79c12c0a7/tumblr_ndqcbzwWdW1r4mmrfo1_250.jpg)
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Yeah we need to turn this thread around
(http://i.imgur.com/BZb5siS.jpg)
(https://pics.onsizzle.com/cal-nig-say-live-415-408-asian-butthole-available-for-3428680.png)
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why, Why, WHY DSM WOOD FOR EUROPE?
cause it's good and that's what we have in place. have you ridden a zero board from DSM? it's all myself and the team ride & we love them.
Do you all ride the impact plus or just the regular resin 7 DSM boards?
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Now this thread is going places!
I always speculated in the month that I spent in Japan that all the cute girls I was seeing probably were doing the gnarliest rankest shits imaginable with all that seaweed/seafood in their diets.
Sadly I was unable to verify if this was infact true.
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Now this thread is going places!
I always speculated in the month that I spent in Japan that all the cute girls I was seeing probably were doing the gnarliest rankest shits imaginable with all that seaweed/seafood in their diets.
Sadly I was unable to verify if this was infact true.
(http://cdn4.thumbs.motherlessmedia.com/thumbs/EDD88A9-zoom.gif?from_helper)
Confirmed.
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all i can imagine is that jamie opens up this thread and his kid//wife is looking at the screen and the first thing that he scrolls down to see is that gif
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Now this thread is going places!
I always speculated in the month that I spent in Japan that all the cute girls I was seeing probably were doing the gnarliest rankest shits imaginable with all that seaweed/seafood in their diets.
Sadly I was unable to verify if this was infact true.
(http://cdn4.thumbs.motherlessmedia.com/thumbs/EDD88A9-zoom.gif?from_helper)
Confirmed.
Double confirmed.
(http://www.yezzclips.com/item_previews/previews_storeuploaded/48574.gif)
Triple confrimed.
(http://s5.depic.me/01052/1ai7we0x420r.jpg)
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So, about these Zero decks...
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imagine how horrified the priest is going to be now that jamie has to go to confession.
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Asian buttholes on Zero confirmed.
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imagine how horrified the priest is going to be now that jamie has to go to confession.
I like to imagine he prays in his garage, surrounded my an alter made of jamie thomas cross decks.
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Hey Jamie! Is there truth to the rumor we may be seeing Zero X Asian scat collab products in the near future?
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Hey Jamie! Is there truth to the rumor we may be seeing Zero X Asian scat collab products in the near future?
I think hes gonna wait till the next page and act like this never happened. Hook ups should get on some asian scat shit. I know Klein is into it.
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all asian poo looks the same , confirmed.
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I think this is really great. I'm not that stoked on europe still being DSM but I'll support Zero forever, we grew up on that shit. I wish you all the best Jamie.
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I accept no responsibility in this.
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imagine how horrified the priest is going to be now that jamie has to go to confession.
It'll be fine, they blurred the vagina.
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Hyped, haven't had a ZERO board in a long time.
Hopefully I will grab one soon to try again.
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I think this is really great. I'm not that stoked on europe still being DSM but I'll support Zero forever, we grew up on that shit. I wish you all the best Jamie.
Is this an Asian butthole thing? Can someone confirm this?
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I'm really stoked that i haven't checked this thread since Jamie started it till tonight. I first got a nice snack and was eager to read some of these responses and then checked the last page first for some reason. I'm going to have a cigarette instead, lost my appetite for some reason
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I think this is really great. I'm not that stoked on europe still being DSM but I'll support Zero forever, we grew up on that shit. I wish you all the best Jamie.
Is this an Asian butthole thing? Can someone confirm this?
i think it would be DSM for everything no?
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I think this is really great. I'm not that stoked on europe still being DSM but I'll support Zero forever, we grew up on that shit. I wish you all the best Jamie.
Is this an Asian butthole thing? Can someone confirm this?
DSM stands for DookieSmotheredMen, so yes, confirmed. I think jamie is hiding something. Zero actually means 0, which is shaped like a butthole, so something fishy is going on. Im connecting the pieces, and you cant hide from your real intentions jamie. Jamie Thomas is asian butthole obsessed, and this is confirmed by my cousin who is a high up a Zero HQ, he works in sales. Wait untill the full story drops. Jamie has been into asian buttholes since 96'.
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Only 7 more posts.
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can't wait for the Zero "Taller Ants" board ;D
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Fuck, that was a lot of poo and I just ate, I don't feel good now.
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can't wait for the Zero "Taller Ants" board ;D
Yes
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I have an American Zero L/S shirt, so old it has a Tumyeto tag. I was totally willing to trade it for some asian butthole, three minutes ago.
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damn cheif congrats this is dope, yo could i borrow 50 bux?
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New page, can we keep the poo to a minimum.
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R.I.P. page 5, what a page. Brings a tear to my eye :'(
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New page, can we keep the poo to a minimum.
That's code for PM this guy some poo gifs
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and some other canadians.
No. The skateboard industry should have learned its lesson from guys like Paul Machnau, Alex Chalmers, Micky Papa, and a long list of others...nobody gives a shit about Canadians no matter how talented they are.
Go fuck yourselves. People have to move for their careers. Glad to know you don't appreciate Apples, Rick Howard or Rick McCrank.
Glad to know a mid-western transplant to cali has the right to judge what's cool and marketable, yet is self-righteous and xenophobic. Maybe I'd be salty if the most famous skaters from my city was Chaz Ortiz (Jon Dickson rips, but I wouldn't call him a beacon of personality).
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Is there gonna be a DVD, if so, are Garrett and Brass still going to be featured or..
yes, we're making a 'no cash value' dvd.
garrett's part will be in it and brass' might be hidden somewhere
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yo isuck, i got picked up hitchhiking in jackson ms by some guy w/ cali plates who said he was like a silent partner in original zero. think his name was chris. any truth to that baby back bullshit? i just nodded patronizing cause i didn't wanna loose a ride behind calling bullshit but who knows?
if his name was chad driving a toyota pick up, then yes; it was truth
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I think this is really great. I'm not that stoked on europe still being DSM but I'll support Zero forever, we grew up on that shit. I wish you all the best Jamie.
thanks dude
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why, Why, WHY DSM WOOD FOR EUROPE?
cause it's good and that's what we have in place. have you ridden a zero board from DSM? it's all myself and the team ride & we love them.
Do you all ride the impact plus or just the regular resin 7 DSM boards?
a few people ride impacts, but most everyone rides the resin 7 boards
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yo isuck, i got picked up hitchhiking in jackson ms by some guy w/ cali plates who said he was like a silent partner in original zero. think his name was chris. any truth to that baby back bullshit? i just nodded patronizing cause i didn't wanna loose a ride behind calling bullshit but who knows?
if his name was chad driving a toyota pick up, then yes; it was truth
man, have i got egg on my face! thanks for the ride, chad.
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I think this is really great. I'm not that stoked on europe still being DSM but I'll support Zero forever, we grew up on that shit. I wish you all the best Jamie.
Is this an Asian butthole thing? Can someone confirm this?
DSM stands for DookieSmotheredMen, so yes, confirmed. I think jamie is hiding something. Zero actually means 0, which is shaped like a butthole, so something fishy is going on. Im connecting the pieces, and you cant hide from your real intentions jamie. Jamie Thomas is asian butthole obsessed, and this is confirmed by my cousin who is a high up a Zero HQ, he works in sales. Wait untill the full story drops. Jamie has been into asian buttholes since 96'.
Bobby really gets to you guys huh??
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page 5 got heavy
So much love for the acknowledgement of page 5!
Also the two Zero boards I've skated in the past year were excellent, and had great shape & pop. Don't let the Dwindle thing put you off folks.
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why, Why, WHY DSM WOOD FOR EUROPE?
cause it's good and that's what we have in place. have you ridden a zero board from DSM? it's all myself and the team ride & we love them.
Do you all ride the impact plus or just the regular resin 7 DSM boards?
a few people ride impacts, but most everyone rides the resin 7 boards
Thanks Jamie! Hopefully I can give Zero a try. Excited to see what you can do on you own with all your energy just focused on Zero. Best of luck!
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Yeah dont blow it dude!
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we are setting up a small operation to sell & distribute Zero independently in the new year.
our goal is to focus on doing things small and well by servicing the best accounts and distributors. we'd like to continue to use dsm (dwindle) as our board manufacturer for the intl. market and we're setting up manufacturing for north america in the US & mexico.
the dwindle staff is amazing and they have been very supportive, but zero is small and what makes the most sense for us is to be independent and connect with the shops, distributors & end customers directly that appreciate the brand and it's history.
if you're a shop or distributor and would like to get set up to order zero directly, please send your email to: [email protected]
below is the message that dwindle sent out last week. obviously, feel free to talk shit, give your 2 cents/advice or ignore this post -jt
From: Bod Boyle, Dwindle Distribution 11/23/16
"This message is to act as a notice of change to the working relationship between Zero Skateboards and Dwindle Distribution. After the end of the initial term of the license/distribution agreement between Zero and Dwindle, Jamie Thomas has decided to run the brand independently. He will be setting up his offices in Carlsbad, California. Dwindle will continue to sell and deliver all Zero product until Jan 15th 2017."
Hell yeah. Thank you. Can't wait to support the brand again. Hopefully by "going small" that you guys follow the blueprint Dill and AVE laid out with FA and only put out shit that fits your image. No more gimmicky mall stuff. Early Zero was one the best things to happen to skateboarding. Hopefully you go that direction again.
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and some other canadians.
No. The skateboard industry should have learned its lesson from guys like Paul Machnau, Alex Chalmers, Micky Papa, and a long list of others...nobody gives a shit about Canadians no matter how talented they are.
Go fuck yourselves. People have to move for their careers. Glad to know you don't appreciate Apples, Rick Howard or Rick McCrank.
Glad to know a mid-western transplant to cali has the right to judge what's cool and marketable, yet is self-righteous and xenophobic. Maybe I'd be salty if the most famous skaters from my city was Chaz Ortiz (Jon Dickson rips, but I wouldn't call him a beacon of personality).
Howard and McCrank fall under "new spot era."
That's a cute obsession you have with me. You know whats funny? I don't know or care about a single detail in your life, but I'm assuming you are some loser who has lived in the same fucking town his whole life, and thinks his provincial life is something to be proud of. Do you seriously think moving across the country to go to college is something bad? If so, that's pretty pathetic. "Ah jus werk in duh factury muh dad werked in, can't figuuur why people move." I'll take it you are indigenous Canadian? Live in Nunavut? hahahahahaha. loser.
Also, I'm not xenophobic. There are tons of great skaters from Brazil, Australia, Europe, and other places. The land of tall tees has produced plenty of good skaters, its just that none of them are marketable, which is why no matter how talented they are, nobody cares.
Example: JS whatever his name is that people in this thread are demanding Jamie put on. Who? And who cares?
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and some other canadians.
No. The skateboard industry should have learned its lesson from guys like Paul Machnau, Alex Chalmers, Micky Papa, and a long list of others...nobody gives a shit about Canadians no matter how talented they are.
Go fuck yourselves. People have to move for their careers. Glad to know you don't appreciate Apples, Rick Howard or Rick McCrank.
Glad to know a mid-western transplant to cali has the right to judge what's cool and marketable, yet is self-righteous and xenophobic. Maybe I'd be salty if the most famous skaters from my city was Chaz Ortiz (Jon Dickson rips, but I wouldn't call him a beacon of personality).
Howard and McCrank fall under "new spot era."
That's a cute obsession you have with me. You know whats funny? I don't know or care about a single detail in your life, but I'm assuming you are some loser who has lived in the same fucking town his whole life, and thinks his provincial life is something to be proud of. Do you seriously think moving across the country to go to college is something bad? If so, that's pretty pathetic. "Ah jus werk in duh factury muh dad werked in, can't figuuur why people move." I'll take it you are indigenous Canadian? Live in Nunavut? hahahahahaha. loser.
Also, I'm not xenophobic. There are tons of great skaters from Brazil, Australia, Europe, and other places. The land of tall tees has produced plenty of good skaters, its just that none of them are marketable, which is why no matter how talented they are, nobody cares.
Example: JS whatever his name is that people in this thread are demanding Jamie put on. Who? And who cares?
I wish u and your neo-liberal-core-marketing-realpolitik posts would just fuck off to some forum where everyone agrees w/ u.
closet sellout and nothing in the post above or reply u make is not gonna make u look like a xenofobe
'there a re tons of great skaters outside of america' <<<< thx for sharing dweeb
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Who are you talking to? Neoliberal? Sell out? Sell out to who exactly? You seem really confused. Call me xenophobic if you want, I don't get why pointing out that skateboarders from Canada aren't very marketable is xenophobic, especially when I've pointed out many nations that have marketable skate cultures. Y'all are claiming people like appleyard- a dude who won soty THIRTEEN YEARS AGO and has sucked since as a reason Canadians are hip and current.
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Who are you talking to? Neoliberal? Sell out? Sell out to who exactly? You seem really confused. Call me xenophobic if you want, I don't get why pointing out that skateboarders from Canada aren't very marketable is xenophobic, especially when I've pointed out many nations that have marketable skate cultures. Y'all are claiming people like appleyard- a dude who won soty THIRTEEN YEARS AGO and has sucked since as a reason Canadians are hip and current.
Whoa, whoa, whoa... slow down a bit there buddy.
Once again, I would like to put this on the table, as evidence that Appleyard does not suck.
Mark Appleyard - Element Soul Rebel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzLf4amX9y8#)
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yeah, element is past meh these days and "soul rebel" is a terrible name but if you're in your mid 30s and you can even do a 10th of those tricks you definitely do not suck
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Y'all are claiming people like appleyard- a dude who won soty THIRTEEN YEARS AGO and has sucked since as a reason Canadians are hip and current.
Maybe you're just out of touch with modern Canadian skating but, there is a bunch of young crews, putting out some of the best stuff in skating right now, Check these out if you're actually interested
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYlsonalz5Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYlsonalz5Q#)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6L-OxCDD7Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6L-OxCDD7Y#)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NECwo1WMVw4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NECwo1WMVw4#)
www.vimeo.com/189277814 (http://www.vimeo.com/189277814)
www.vimeo.com/165233894 (http://www.vimeo.com/165233894)
https://kingshitmag.com/articles/2691-the-duluth-video-full-video (https://kingshitmag.com/articles/2691-the-duluth-video-full-video)
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Who are you talking to? Neoliberal? Sell out? Sell out to who exactly? You seem really confused. Call me xenophobic if you want, I don't get why pointing out that skateboarders from Canada aren't very marketable is xenophobic, especially when I've pointed out many nations that have marketable skate cultures. Y'all are claiming people like appleyard- a dude who won soty THIRTEEN YEARS AGO and has sucked since as a reason Canadians are hip and current.
Dime is pretty hip.
I agree with you though. RDS was Canada for a while and who ever gave a fuck?
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On Zero though I wish it only the best.
Dying to live was one of my first videos and I'm still hyped on it.
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Who are you talking to? Neoliberal? Sell out? Sell out to who exactly? You seem really confused. Call me xenophobic if you want, I don't get why pointing out that skateboarders from Canada aren't very marketable is xenophobic, especially when I've pointed out many nations that have marketable skate cultures. Y'all are claiming people like appleyard- a dude who won soty THIRTEEN YEARS AGO and has sucked since as a reason Canadians are hip and current.
Whoa, whoa, whoa... slow down a bit there buddy.
Once again, I would like to put this on the table, as evidence that Appleyard does not suck.
Mark Appleyard - Element Soul Rebel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzLf4amX9y8#)
He doesn't suck entirely, maybe that's an exaggeration, but dude clearly is not nearly as progressive as he once was. This part shows he definitely isn't as good as he used to be though.
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Who are you talking to? Neoliberal? Sell out? Sell out to who exactly? You seem really confused. Call me xenophobic if you want, I don't get why pointing out that skateboarders from Canada aren't very marketable is xenophobic, especially when I've pointed out many nations that have marketable skate cultures. Y'all are claiming people like appleyard- a dude who won soty THIRTEEN YEARS AGO and has sucked since as a reason Canadians are hip and current.
Whoa, whoa, whoa... slow down a bit there buddy.
Once again, I would like to put this on the table, as evidence that Appleyard does not suck.
Mark Appleyard - Element Soul Rebel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzLf4amX9y8#)
He doesn't suck entirely, maybe that's an exaggeration, but dude clearly is not nearly as progressive as he once was. This part shows he definitely isn't as good as he used to be though.?
That part is still really really good, all the slo-mo doesn't even bother me. I'd skate an Appleyard 8.25 board without embarrassment.
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Yo JT, whos distributing Zero in the UK now?
If you want to start small again, lets set up Misled Dist! I got a few heads to flow, got a clip to film, B&W London night mission - Zero Bold decks and tees ya get me cheif???
All the best with Zero! keeping the dream and memories alive!
PS - Thill of it all was what got me into skating so thanks for the good times!
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Yo JT, whos distributing Zero in the UK now?
If you want to start small again, lets set up Misled Dist! I got a few heads to flow, got a clip to film, B&W London night mission - Zero Bold decks and tees ya get me cheif???
All the best with Zero! keeping the dream and memories alive!
PS - Thill of it all was what got me into skating so thanks for the good times!
Slap message boards power moves.
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I feel like a Zero renaissance is coming honestly. With guys like franky villani, chris wimer, etc and big skating getting kind of popular again (not that it went away) with kyle walker winning SOTY and stuff, I think Zero is in a good place.
If my local carried zero I'd pick one up for my next board. If they had 8.63+
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cobra never gave you a call now that your back on your own feet? heck, one reason of him leaving zero going corpo and all right? anyways, tight to see the current riders :D grew up seeing lopez, stoked to see a full part of him soon and zero with the classic vibe.
cheers for more years! blessings.
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imagine how horrified the priest is going to be now that jamie has to go to confession.
He's not even Catholic
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we'd like to continue to use dsm (dwindle) as our board manufacturer for the intl. market and we're setting up manufacturing for north america in the US & mexico.
cause it's good and that's what we have in place. have you ridden a zero board from DSM? it's all myself and the team ride & we love them.
Hey Jamie- Curious to know why you aren't using DSM for North America if DSM is the team's preferred wood?
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Yo JT, whos distributing Zero in the UK now?
If you want to start small again, lets set up Misled Dist! I got a few heads to flow, got a clip to film, B&W London night mission - Zero Bold decks and tees ya get me cheif???
All the best with Zero! keeping the dream and memories alive!
PS - Thill of it all was what got me into skating so thanks for the good times!
Slap message boards power moves.
Hahaha
Whoops!
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we'd like to continue to use dsm (dwindle) as our board manufacturer for the intl. market and we're setting up manufacturing for north america in the US & mexico.
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cause it's good and that's what we have in place. have you ridden a zero board from DSM? it's all myself and the team ride & we love them.
Hey Jamie- Curious to know why you aren't using DSM for North America if DSM is the team's preferred wood?
It's probably hurting sales, due to a baseless yet commonly held belief that DSM/Chinese made boards are inferior, when in fact they are stiffer and longer lasting, true to shape, and free of the manufacturing defects(misldrilled holes) that plague other mfgs
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cause it's good and that's what we have in place. have you ridden a zero board from DSM? it's all myself and the team ride & we love them.
Hey Jamie- Curious to know why you aren't using DSM for North America if DSM is the team's preferred wood?
It's probably hurting sales, due to a baseless yet commonly held belief that DSM/Chinese made boards are inferior, when in fact they are stiffer and longer lasting, true to shape, and free of the manufacturing defects(misldrilled holes) that plague other mfgs
Totally agree. DSM is great wood but because it says "Make in China" people disregard it. They have probably the best quality control and manufacturing in skating.
On another note, I'm stoked about this whole thing and will buy a board from the first run
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DSM boards are sick! They hold shape, feel solid and snappy and they are a good price!
Just look at Palace - DSM boards - ?40-45. Most US boards are ?55-60
As skateboarders we tend to be full of shit when it comes to common sense. Lets face it, We are destoying someone else's property when skating street and DSM boards from China are good for the industry.
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Starting to like this more and more. It would be nice to go to the shop and see zero decks, like I used to. Instead of all these new hip companys like isle, vase, ceramic, penis, etc. covering the wall. Like I dunno even know what half the shit is now when I go to the shop. So much has slipped by me since I dropped my thrasher sub years ago.
Would by a zero, but nah Ill just keep nagging people for their old decks at the park.
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if I were to give any advice (and my opinion is probably shit), but I'd say to really focus on the fact that every shop is different. A lot of companies that want you to go direct with them, tend to try and get shops to take a baker's dozen on boards, etc. and sometimes thats more than they can afford, or takes up too much space on the wall. The little shop in the middle of nowhere is as important as the most famous shops, even if they don't buy as much product.
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DSM boards are sick! They hold shape, feel solid and snappy and they are a good price!
Just look at Palace - DSM boards - ?40-45. Most US boards are ?55-60
As skateboarders we tend to be full of shit when it comes to common sense. Lets face it, We are destoying someone else's property when skating street and DSM boards from China are good for the industry.
Same deal here, Dwindle brands 15-20 bucks cheaper than DLX brands, actually kind of bummed about Zero moving to BBS, as they and Cliche were my favorite brands using DSM Resin-7's, one resin 7 every drop would be dope, use bareback and wherever else for the rest and I think everyone can find a zero to roll with and enjoy
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we'd like to continue to use dsm (dwindle) as our board manufacturer for the intl. market and we're setting up manufacturing for north america in the US & mexico.
why wouldnt you just try to set a president with keeping the wood what you guys like to skate and keep it cost effective. also does canada count are NA or INTL? because with every brand and mfg it seems to be different.
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Thanks Jamie! Hopefully I can give Zero a try. Excited to see what you can do on you own with all your energy just focused on Zero. Best of luck!
thanks dude!
Hell yeah. �Thank you. Can't wait to support the brand again. Hopefully by "going small" that you guys follow the blueprint Dill and AVE laid out with FA and only put out shit that fits your image. No more gimmicky mall stuff. Early Zero was one the best things to happen to skateboarding. Hopefully you go that direction again.
haha, yeah we've reissued all the OG shit this year for our 20 yr because it has always been our favorite. our goal is to focus on that aspect of our brand and create new shit that combines that history w a fresh perspective. should at least be interesting...
On Zero though I wish it only the best.
Dying to live was one of my first videos and I'm still hyped on it.
mucho love!
He doesn't suck entirely, maybe that's an exaggeration, but dude clearly is not nearly as progressive as he once was. This part shows he definitely isn't as good as he used to be though.�
not sure anyone can sustain the level they were at during their peak except for daewon & guy...
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Y'all are claiming people like appleyard- a dude who won soty THIRTEEN YEARS AGO and has sucked since as a reason Canadians are hip and current.
Maybe you're just out of touch with modern Canadian skating but, there is a bunch of young crews, putting out some of the best stuff in skating right now, Check these out if you're actually interested
some of my favorite skateboarders are from other countries, but i think what gipper's trying to say is that since the majority of skateboarders are from the US it's harder for the general skate population to relate to people from other countries...
i love the canadians that have ridden for zero throughout theyears; keegan, tancowny, smith & js...
Yo JT, whos distributing Zero in the UK now?
If you want to start small again, lets set up Misled Dist! I got a few heads to flow, got a clip to film, B&W London night mission - Zero Bold decks and tees ya get me cheif???
All the best with Zero! keeping the dream and memories alive!
PS - Thill of it all was what got me into skating so thanks for the good times!
you might be onto something
I feel like a Zero renaissance is coming honestly. With guys like franky villani, chris wimer, etc and big skating getting kind of popular again (not that it went away) with kyle walker winning SOTY and stuff, I think Zero is in a good place.
If my local carried zero I'd pick one up for my next board. If they had 8.63+
we'll have 8.625's on the zero site in a few weeks.
Hey Jamie- Curious to know why you aren't using DSM for North America if DSM is the team's preferred wood?
we may have a unique opportunity to be involved w a new woodshop in the US, which will help us get boards made on a short time frame for collabs, small runs & limited stuff for the zero site. i feel like, now that the business in entirely our hands, local & purposeful is a dream worth chasing.
On another note, I'm stoked about this whole thing and will buy a board from the first run
cheers
if I were to give any advice (and my opinion is probably shit), but I'd say to really focus on the fact that every shop is different.� A lot of companies that want you to go direct with them, tend to try and get shops to take a baker's dozen on boards, etc. and sometimes thats more than they can afford, or takes up too much space on the wall.� The little shop in the middle of nowhere is as important as the most famous shops, even if they don't buy as much product.�
i agree and back your advice 100%
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Have you ever done cocaine?
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out of an asisns butthole
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we'd like to continue to use dsm (dwindle) as our board manufacturer for the intl. market and we're setting up manufacturing for north america in the US & mexico.
why wouldnt you just try to set a president with keeping the wood what you guys like to skate and keep it cost effective. also does canada count are NA or INTL? because with every brand and mfg it seems to be different.
i haven't been on the business side of things for a while and i want to try some new shit; explore, experiment and basically do shit that makes sense to me now rather than following a formula that used to work; NA includes canada
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Have you ever done cocaine?
i have not, never even been offered it; i'm a nerd huh
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yo isuck, paul d'ianno or bruce dickinson?
you've been on the cutting edge of sponsoring the rippingest girls in town [marissa/elissa] do you have your eyes on any hot young talent these days?
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yo isuck, paul d'ianno or bruce dickinson?
you've been on the cutting edge of sponsoring the rippingest girls in town [marissa/elissa] do you have your eyes on any hot young talent these days?
apples & oranges; first album if i had to pick
nah, i don't profile who we're trying to hook up. you think there's a chick out there that would fit zero?
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yo isuck, paul d'ianno or bruce dickinson?
you've been on the cutting edge of sponsoring the rippingest girls in town [marissa/elissa] do you have your eyes on any hot young talent these days?
apples & oranges; first album if i had to pick
nah, i don't profile who we're trying to hook up. you think there's a chick out there that would fit zero?
i don't offhand but usually i learn of em through you/toy machine. for sure letcha know if i see one. i agree w/ iron maiden/iron maiden all day even though your wth song worked really well.
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Tell us a good Wade Burkitt story!
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One time I spent all day with Jamie then afterwards I went and did cocaine/two chicks at the same time so transitive property blahblahblah Jamie isn't a nerd.
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will it be avail thru a dist in canada (centre) or.....?
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i ollied a 6 before, can i get on flow? but on the real any 875+'s in the future? 8.62 is cool but that dont fit my thunder 151's
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yo isuck, paul d'ianno or bruce dickinson?
you've been on the cutting edge of sponsoring the rippingest girls in town [marissa/elissa] do you have your eyes on any hot young talent these days?
apples & oranges; first album if i had to pick
nah, i don't profile who we're trying to hook up. you think there's a chick out there that would fit zero?
Yea. Umm think her name is "Marisa Dal Santo"
For real she was unbelievable. If I'm talking to Jamie Thomas thanks for years of footage (behind the lens and skating) since some Invisible video I got as a kid
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Can you bring back the 8.5 cole shallow grave shape? I can't find it anywhere and thats my favorite shape
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why didnt JS get fully on? seemed like a perfect match
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yo isuck, paul d'ianno or bruce dickinson?
you've been on the cutting edge of sponsoring the rippingest girls in town [marissa/elissa] do you have your eyes on any hot young talent these days?
apples & oranges; first album if i had to pick
nah, i don't profile who we're trying to hook up. you think there's a chick out there that would fit zero?
lil nice girl if you can get her to change her name to lil mean girl ;)
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will it be avail thru a dist in canada (centre) or.....?
yeah, but we don't have it sorted yet; who's your fav
i ollied a 6 before, can i get on flow? but on the real any 875+'s in the future? 8.62 is cool but that dont fit my thunder 151's
i ride 8.5 and thunder 151's, but yeah we have 8.625 egg shapes
Can you bring back the 8.5 cole shallow grave shape? I can't find it anywhere and thats my favorite shape
we have that shape; it's our staple 8.5
why didnt JS get fully on? seemed like a perfect match
hopefully it'll happen soon, hes' filming a part
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I just checked some of the graphics and they look pretty good. I grow up with zero, but never could afford one. Maybe now is the moment to get my first zero. Whats the WB on the 8,25 x 31.9 shape ?
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will it be avail thru a dist in canada (centre) or.....?
yeah, but we don't have it sorted yet; who's your fav
centre would be sweet.
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yo isuck, do you like me?
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Can you make a 9" American Zero popsicle special for me ?
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I just checked some of the graphics and they look pretty good. I grow up with zero, but never could afford one. Maybe now is the moment to get my first zero. Whats the WB on the 8,25 x 31.9 shape ?
14.25
yo isuck, do you like me?
do i know you?
Can you make a 9" American Zero popsicle special for me ?
haha, we don't have a 9" shape / for $100 though, we'll figure it ;)
WHERE IS SEAN YOUNG....
he runs a construction company in atlanta, ga
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I SUCK!, if you ever need video work ( complete with graphics or animations ) you should hit up Jason from Massena NY. He's always been the biggest fan of you and Zero and has got amazing with what he can do and I'm sure he'd be psyched to hear from you. Also, trying to find your Roark jeans and jacket as they look like quality pieces. I wish I could check them out before ordering though but seems like they aren't in too many places.
Anyway good luck on your new path, I wish you the best of luck!
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Can I have free shit? All the kids at the park want me to be their dad, I can show them the way of Zero and how thier parents should spend money on Zero products.
Think of it as investment flow.
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Chief denied my props! Even though I watch Misled Youth everyday!
Joking, carry on
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yo isuck, do you like me?
do i know you?
no you don't, but that wasn't the question. so, do you like me?
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yo isuck, paul d'ianno or bruce dickinson?
you've been on the cutting edge of sponsoring the rippingest girls in town [marissa/elissa] do you have your eyes on any hot young talent these days?
apples & oranges; first album if i had to pick
nah, i don't profile who we're trying to hook up. you think there's a chick out there that would fit zero?
I think there was some asian woman on skateline a while back (2-3 months?) that was skating rails - might be a good am from what I remember
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I think there was some asian woman on skateline a while back (2-3 months?) that was skating rails - might be a good am from what I remember
Asian, like asian butthole?
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I think there was some asian woman on skateline a while back (2-3 months?) that was skating rails - might be a good am from what I remember
Asian, like asian butthole?
*record scratch* *freeze frame* *looks at camera*
here we go again! :o
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yo isuck, paul d'ianno or bruce dickinson?
you've been on the cutting edge of sponsoring the rippingest girls in town [marissa/elissa] do you have your eyes on any hot young talent these days?
apples & oranges; first album if i had to pick
nah, i don't profile who we're trying to hook up. you think there's a chick out there that would fit zero?
I think there was some asian woman on skateline a while back (2-3 months?) that was skating rails - might be a good am from what I remember
That Japanese girl who skates with a surgical mask?
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yo isuck, do you like me?
do i know you?
no you don't, but that wasn't the question. so, do you like me?
sure, why not
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can you share a jim gagne story w/ us? every pro has at least one :)
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can you share a jim gagne story w/ us? every pro has at least one :)
sorry, nothing comes to mind; love gagne though
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yo isuck, paul d'ianno or bruce dickinson?
you've been on the cutting edge of sponsoring the rippingest girls in town [marissa/elissa] do you have your eyes on any hot young talent these days?
apples & oranges; first album if i had to pick
nah, i don't profile who we're trying to hook up. you think there's a chick out there that would fit zero?
I think there was some asian woman on skateline a while back (2-3 months?) that was skating rails - might be a good am from what I remember
That Japanese girl who skates with a surgical mask?
Kotone Nishimura, would be dope to see her on Zero
Shared part with her sister
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlXLuJpoFGE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlXLuJpoFGE#)
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yo isuck, paul d'ianno or bruce dickinson?
you've been on the cutting edge of sponsoring the rippingest girls in town [marissa/elissa] do you have your eyes on any hot young talent these days?
apples & oranges; first album if i had to pick
nah, i don't profile who we're trying to hook up. you think there's a chick out there that would fit zero?
I think there was some asian woman on skateline a while back (2-3 months?) that was skating rails - might be a good am from what I remember
That Japanese girl who skates with a surgical mask?
Kotone Nishimura, would be dope to see her on Zero
Damn, I thought she always wore the mask. That would've been cool. Pink pants, flannel shirt, surgical mask and a big handrail.
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will it be avail thru a dist in canada (centre) or.....?
yeah, but we don't have it sorted yet; who's your fav
http://www.grandtrading.ca/ (http://www.grandtrading.ca/)
https://www.instagram.com/grandtrading/ (https://www.instagram.com/grandtrading/)
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I love Zero I feel like this forum goes through the same cycles over and over as follows:
Strange world comes out:
'wow I love zero! What a video! I actually love stairs and handrails'
Time passes after strange world:
'zero is so whack, I can't believe anyone would ride for them. Rails are so boring, JT is a kook'
Cold war comes out
'wow what a video! Best video I seen in forever! I love thrashing and zero and rails'
Time passes:
'Zero so lame, I love shaped board brands only '
Latest no cash value comes out, dane etc
' I love dane, he deserves a legit board sponsor, I love zero'
And throughout everyone hates on Jamie Thomas non stop, until he appears on a thread and everyone goes bananas worshipping him and his legacy.
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will it be avail thru a dist in canada (centre) or.....?
yeah, but we don't have it sorted yet; who's your fav
http://www.grandtrading.ca/ (http://www.grandtrading.ca/)
https://www.instagram.com/grandtrading/ (https://www.instagram.com/grandtrading/)
Oh yeah nothing but love for grand trading. :)
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yo isuck, do you like me?
do i know you?
no you don't, but that wasn't the question. so, do you like me?
sure, why not
thanks jamie. like you too.
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I love Zero I feel like this forum goes through the same cycles over and over as follows:
Strange world comes out:
'wow I love zero! What a video! I actually love stairs and handrails'
Time passes after strange world:
'zero is so whack, I can't believe anyone would ride for them. Rails are so boring, JT is a kook'
Cold war comes out
'wow what a video! Best video I seen in forever! I love thrashing and zero and rails'
Time passes:
'Zero so lame, I love shaped board brands only '
Latest no cash value comes out, dane etc
' I love dane, he deserves a legit board sponsor, I love zero'
And throughout everyone hates on Jamie Thomas non stop, until he appears on a thread and everyone goes bananas worshipping him and his legacy.
it's almost as if you're dumb enough to think that all of slap has one persona. oh wait, you are.
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I love Zero I feel like this forum goes through the same cycles over and over as follows:
Strange world comes out:
'wow I love zero! What a video! I actually love stairs and handrails'
Time passes after strange world:
'zero is so whack, I can't believe anyone would ride for them. Rails are so boring, JT is a kook'
Cold war comes out
'wow what a video! Best video I seen in forever! I love thrashing and zero and rails'
Time passes:
'Zero so lame, I love shaped board brands only '
Latest no cash value comes out, dane etc
' I love dane, he deserves a legit board sponsor, I love zero'
And throughout everyone hates on Jamie Thomas non stop, until he appears on a thread and everyone goes bananas worshipping him and his legacy.
it's almost as if you're dumb enough to think that all of slap has one persona. oh wait, you are.
Or that people dick ride anyone who actually posts here
Or that people say they'll "definitely" buy someone's next board/shoe/etc. after a video part than probably never do, which is why I miss the "put your money where your mouth is" shit
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we are setting up a small operation to sell & distribute Zero independently in the new year.
our goal is to focus on doing things small and well by servicing the best accounts and distributors. we'd like to continue to use dsm (dwindle) as our board manufacturer for the intl. market and we're setting up manufacturing for north america in the US & mexico.
the dwindle staff is amazing and they have been very supportive, but zero is small and what makes the most sense for us is to be independent and connect with the shops, distributors & end customers directly that appreciate the brand and it's history.
if you're a shop or distributor and would like to get set up to order zero directly, please send your email to: [email protected]
below is the message that dwindle sent out last week. obviously, feel free to talk shit, give your 2 cents/advice or ignore this post -jt
From: Bod Boyle, Dwindle Distribution 11/23/16
"This message is to act as a notice of change to the working relationship between Zero Skateboards and Dwindle Distribution. After the end of the initial term of the license/distribution agreement between Zero and Dwindle, Jamie Thomas has decided to run the brand independently. He will be setting up his offices in Carlsbad, California. Dwindle will continue to sell and deliver all Zero product until Jan 15th 2017."
I'll buy a board and support the cause if you do the right thing and put Forrest back on....
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I SUCK, please be good to Chad when he gets out there in a month or so. Thanks.
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Send me a board Jamie, you fuckin hoarder.
(https://i2.wp.com/garagedayscollection.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0973.jpg?resize=1024%2C683)
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can you share a jim gagne story w/ us? every pro has at least one :)
sorry, nothing comes to mind; love gagne though
Where's my Wade Burkitt story? >:(
You got me on ignore Chief?
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Hopping on board the "I want free stuff" train
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I love Zero I feel like this forum goes through the same cycles over and over as follows:
Strange world comes out:
'wow I love zero! What a video! I actually love stairs and handrails'
Time passes after strange world:
'zero is so whack, I can't believe anyone would ride for them. Rails are so boring, JT is a kook'
Cold war comes out
'wow what a video! Best video I seen in forever! I love thrashing and zero and rails'
Time passes:
'Zero so lame, I love shaped board brands only '
Latest no cash value comes out, dane etc
' I love dane, he deserves a legit board sponsor, I love zero'
And throughout everyone hates on Jamie Thomas non stop, until he appears on a thread and everyone goes bananas worshipping him and his legacy.
it's almost as if you're dumb enough to think that all of slap has one persona. oh wait, you are.
Or that people dick ride anyone who actually posts here
Or that people say they'll "definitely" buy someone's next board/shoe/etc. after a video part than probably never do, which is why I miss the "put your money where your mouth is" shit
That was always around april, right ? That thread should be forever around.
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Send me a board Jamie, you fuckin hoarder.
(https://i2.wp.com/garagedayscollection.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0973.jpg?resize=1024%2C683)
Why are all those boards on blankets? What's wrong with the ground? I understand not wanting to scratch up the graphics, but boards face up on asphalt temporarily is pretty safe. I do it all the time for product shots for the shop.
Also where did all those blankets come from? Did you buy them just to take this photo?
This photo poses so many questions for me.
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I knew a handful of the geniuses Jamie had working in the BB warehouse and I wouldn't trust those guys to place light pieces of wood in a parking lot without them fucking it up either.
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Please change name of thread to "Jamie Thomas AMA"
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i havent logged in to slap in at least 6 months but jamie what is good with those blankets fr
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I was working for a shop a long time ago during a Zero tour, around the time Mystery was being introduced. We had the line start outside of the shop and would let kids in once the team got in and situated. There were about 10 of us in the shop. Jamie was the first to come in and for some reason I thought it would be funny to run in front of everyone, put my hand on my forehead, gasp "Jamie!" and pretend to faint. Being new, young and dumb, I knew this was my chance to shine among my coworkers. Wrong. Instant cringe. By the way, I'm a huge Jamie Thomas fan then and now. The owner was pissed and I don't even know if Jamie even saw. I was made to ride in the van to give directions to the demo as some form of punishment. I couldn't have been more stoked. The best part was they gave me a Mystery shirt in the van and I immediately put it on. When the vans rolled up to the park they were mobbed by the kids. I got out of the van wearing my shirt and everyone thought I was on Mystery.. It rained that day so no one skated....
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This:
(http://i.imgur.com/Zbbh8UM.png)
Made me make this:
(http://i.imgur.com/zb6PBIh.jpg)
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Yo JT, whos distributing Zero in the UK now?
If you want to start small again, lets set up Misled Dist! I got a few heads to flow, got a clip to film, B&W London night mission - Zero Bold decks and tees ya get me cheif???
All the best with Zero! keeping the dream and memories alive!
PS - Thill of it all was what got me into skating so thanks for the good times!
you might be onto something
I hope i am haha means my ocd/autism is doing something right!
The whole Zero Army, Bold Decks and black and white video just feels so right for zero right now and i feel can be current hold its own in todays climate of companys/brands.
Whats Lyndsey Robinson upto these days?
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zero boards with better wood now? sounds good, good luck man
I feel we are all forgetting Zero was one of the first companies to leave America and start producing in Mexico. Zero has produced sub-par boards for over a decade (not just since 2014 when Thomas moved Zero over to Dwindle). While Powell was the first skate company to really try to start producing outside of the States (1980s - China), Thomas and Mangum--along with the guys at Dwindle--help set the trend of non-American/Canadian made boards when it came to "new-school" skateboarding. (Note: According to Transworld Business, in 2004, the guys working at Thomas's factory in Mexico were making 45-55 dollars a week.)
My impression is that Thomas has sought out lower cost rather than quality for quite some time now and that along with skateboarding's continued decline in popularity, and the coming of new trends make it difficult for Zero to be the same company it was in 2002. We could also argue about brand image, marketing strategy, and various rumors but that would take us no where.
However, the key issue isn't just Thomas's pursuit of lower-costs (nor is he alone in this business model), we also need to look at our desire for cheap consumer goods, and the shop's need to produce some profit to stay in business. It is amazing how little those of us in the US are willing to pay for a our skate goods. Moreover, it is good to remember that the board wars of 2001-2006 weren't just blanks vs pro boards, it was shop boards vs blanks vs pro boards. What is more important supporting the local shop or supporting the pro company? If we didn't expect pro-boards with grip to cost $45 maybe we could do both at the same time.
http://www.grindtv.com/transworld-business/products/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/ (http://www.grindtv.com/transworld-business/products/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/)
http://skateboarding.transworld.net/news/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/ (http://skateboarding.transworld.net/news/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/)
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Whats Lyndsey Robinson upto these days?
Also, have you seen the Ryan Smith thread? Is he okay these days?
Chief, would you be down for an official SLAP pals Q&A?
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Chief, would you be down for an official SLAP pals Q&A?
way to waste your one question to the chief!
dear jamie, we have a saying here 'as jt's hairline goes, so goes central mass'. our economy was set to tank 21 yrs ago when you showed recession but then every video part your hairline and by extension, our economy bounced back. the bush yrs were lean yrs but your mane was strong under obama's first 4 yrs. last 4, haven't been super hot.
how have you maintained hair when it looked like you were going marc johnson way back yet every yr you held on by force of will? is going bald a choice? can you retain your follicles through sheer ferocity of spirit? jean-paul sartre said 'after a certain age a man is responsible for how his face looks'.
agree? disagree?
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Whats Lyndsey Robinson upto these days?
Chief, would you be down for an official SLAP pals Q&A?
way to waste your one question to the chief!
dear jamie, we have a saying here 'as jt's hairline goes, so goes central mass'. our economy was set to tank 21 yrs ago when you showed recession but then every video part your hairline and by extension, our economy bounced back. the bush yrs were lean yrs but your mane was strong under obama's first 4 yrs. last 4, haven't been super hot.
how have you maintained hair when it looked like you were going marc johnson way back yet every yr you held on by force of will? is going bald a choice? can you retain your follicles through sheer ferocity of spirit? jean-paul sartre said 'after a certain age a man is responsible for how his face looks'.
agree? disagree?
That was Camus, get out of my way!
Chief! Chief! Grind King Rims, Pressure Flip Monthly: would you care to comment on the twenty year rule in skateboarding? Shaped boards and board rails are in the wayside, how would you feel about the return of 7.5 sized boards and phantom trucks?
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gnar'd for being way existential like ren and stimpy
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http://asianbutthole.tumblr.com/ (http://asianbutthole.tumblr.com/)
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Chief, I'm not going to make a new thread asking for anything, but here's your opportunity to (maybe) sell me something. Since this thread became somewhat of an AMA and all. I saw an old Rattray deck for sale, one with a big blue gorilla looking all shook. The price is kinda OK, it's a bit too narrow for my 149 trucks, but I'd like to think that, somehow, I'm buying something from one of the all-time greats and a fellow PAL, so I'm torn. Should I bite the bullet and buy it? Best regards.
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zero boards with better wood now? sounds good, good luck man
I feel we are all forgetting Zero was one of the first companies to leave America and start producing in Mexico. Zero has produced sub-par boards for over a decade (not just since 2014 when Thomas moved Zero over to Dwindle). While Powell was the first skate company to really try to start producing outside of the States (1980s - China), Thomas and Mangum--along with the guys at Dwindle--help set the trend of non-American/Canadian made boards when it came to "new-school" skateboarding. (Note: According to Transworld Business, in 2004, the guys working at Thomas's factory in Mexico were making 45-55 dollars a week.)
My impression is that Thomas has sought out lower cost rather than quality for quite some time now and that along with skateboarding's continued decline in popularity, and the coming of new trends make it difficult for Zero to be the same company it was in 2002. We could also argue about brand image, marketing strategy, and various rumors but that would take us no where.
However, the key issue isn't just Thomas's pursuit of lower-costs (nor is he alone in this business model), we also need to look at our desire for cheap consumer goods, and the shop's need to produce some profit to stay in business. It is amazing how little those of us in the US are willing to pay for a our skate goods. Moreover, it is good to remember that the board wars of 2001-2006 weren't just blanks vs pro boards, it was shop boards vs blanks vs pro boards. What is more important supporting the local shop or supporting the pro company? If we didn't expect pro-boards with grip to cost $45 maybe we could do both at the same time.
http://www.grindtv.com/transworld-business/products/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/ (http://www.grindtv.com/transworld-business/products/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/)
http://skateboarding.transworld.net/news/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/ (http://skateboarding.transworld.net/news/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/)
shit's exploding bruh
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zero boards with better wood now? sounds good, good luck man
I feel we are all forgetting Zero was one of the first companies to leave America and start producing in Mexico. Zero has produced sub-par boards for over a decade (not just since 2014 when Thomas moved Zero over to Dwindle). While Powell was the first skate company to really try to start producing outside of the States (1980s - China), Thomas and Mangum--along with the guys at Dwindle--help set the trend of non-American/Canadian made boards when it came to "new-school" skateboarding. (Note: According to Transworld Business, in 2004, the guys working at Thomas's factory in Mexico were making 45-55 dollars a week.)
My impression is that Thomas has sought out lower cost rather than quality for quite some time now and that along with skateboarding's continued decline in popularity, and the coming of new trends make it difficult for Zero to be the same company it was in 2002. We could also argue about brand image, marketing strategy, and various rumors but that would take us no where.
However, the key issue isn't just Thomas's pursuit of lower-costs (nor is he alone in this business model), we also need to look at our desire for cheap consumer goods, and the shop's need to produce some profit to stay in business. It is amazing how little those of us in the US are willing to pay for a our skate goods. Moreover, it is good to remember that the board wars of 2001-2006 weren't just blanks vs pro boards, it was shop boards vs blanks vs pro boards. What is more important supporting the local shop or supporting the pro company? If we didn't expect pro-boards with grip to cost $45 maybe we could do both at the same time.
http://www.grindtv.com/transworld-business/products/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/ (http://www.grindtv.com/transworld-business/products/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/)
http://skateboarding.transworld.net/news/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/ (http://skateboarding.transworld.net/news/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/)
shit's exploding bruh
Iceman, let's see if I can convince you that participation and interest in skateboarding has significantly declined from the boom of the early 2000's.
First, a quick search on Google Trends indicates that "skateboarding" and "skateboard" are being searched significantly less often that they had in the past. While this is not a direct indicator of participation, it is probably good enough for the slap forum. (Excuse the Russian.)
(https://s29.postimg.org/6zs28vvrr/Screen_Trends.png)
Second, at IASC's 2016 Skate Retailing Summit summary stated, "many retailers openly admitted they have seen a decline in young skaters at their shops." Once again not a direct indicator of participation but then again it is yet another piece of evidence that skateboarding is declining among a key market that we need to keep it going. http://www.grindtv.com/transworld-business/news/skate-summit-2016-top-takeaways/ (http://www.grindtv.com/transworld-business/news/skate-summit-2016-top-takeaways/)
Third, Statista.com claims there were 10.13 million skaters in the US in 2006 and now we are at 6.44. However, since this is pay-for-play website and they don't explain their methods we can't fully trust this data. https://www.statista.com/statistics/191308/participants-in-skateboarding-in-the-us-since-2006/ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/191308/participants-in-skateboarding-in-the-us-since-2006/)
If you have evidence that this "shit's exploding," I'd like to see it and really I'd like you to prove me wrong. My town needs to rehab its park and if I can provide strong evidence that skateboarding is exploding, maybe that'll increase the chances of them fixing the park.
Modify: Typo and added missing link.
Also, IASC's numbers point to an overall decline see http://www.grindtv.com/transworld-business/features/the-state-of-skate-2016/. (http://www.grindtv.com/transworld-business/features/the-state-of-skate-2016/.)
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The numbers on asian butthole were unavailable :-[
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If you have evidence that this "shit's exploding," I'd like to see it and really I'd like you to prove me wrong.
Here, evidence
(http://cdn4.images.motherlessmedia.com/images/ECB8A6D.gif?fs=opencloud)
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I really need to stop making a late night snack then checking this thread first.
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(http://i.imgur.com/ruBs8Ga.jpg)
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That reminds me, I need to buy more snickers bars
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(http://i.imgur.com/ruBs8Ga.jpg)
I couldn't remember my password (or the E-mail associated with this account) for months, so I was a little over excited to participate today when I was finally able to login. :D
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Out of that 6 million, most of those are longboarders. Good luck, Chief.
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Send me a board Jamie, you fuckin hoarder.
(https://i2.wp.com/garagedayscollection.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0973.jpg?resize=1024%2C683)
Why are all those boards on blankets? What's wrong with the ground? I understand not wanting to scratch up the graphics, but boards face up on asphalt temporarily is pretty safe. I do it all the time for product shots for the shop.
Also where did all those blankets come from? Did you buy them just to take this photo?
This photo poses so many questions for me.
I'm pretty sure I see a black fitted sheet, black flat sheet, a couple of quilts, and maybe a duvet cover under those boards.
Chief, did you just unmake your bed to flex on us with your almighty wood?
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(http://i.imgur.com/ruBs8Ga.jpg)
Dude just dropped knowledge. Why you hating?
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A post in the Embarrassment Thread reminded me that one time I was having anal sex with an Asian girl and things got a little messy down there and I got shit all over my dick. I was really bummed about it the time but after reading this thread perhaps it was a customary sign of affection?
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The only girls you could backdoor and not get an elf shoe (shit on your dick) are porno girls. Watson you and I are similar in a lot of these matters I feel, so don't you sit there and tell me you were bothered for more than 3 seconds by it.
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The only girls you could backdoor and not get an elf shoe (shit on your dick) are porno girls. Watson you and I are similar in a lot of these matters I feel, so don't you sit there and tell me you were bothered for more than 3 seconds by it.
Elf Shoe, that's a new one.
Like, if it's a pre-meditated hook up, it's not hard to do an enema and make sure you're in the clear. Maybe it's more common among gays, but since anal is more of a special event for straights, I'd have thought the girl would be down to set it up right.
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I don't know dude, that's the only time I've ever gotten creamy poo cream on my dick when engaging in such acts. It was creamy and stinky. I was bothered. Also I didn't like her so it may have been a different story if it happened with someone else. I wiped my wiener on a towel in the bathroom and went home.
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I don't know dude, that's the only time I've ever gotten creamy poo cream on my dick when engaging in such acts. It was creamy and stinky. I was bothered. Also I didn't like her so it may have been a different story if it happened with someone else. I wiped my wiener on a towel in the bathroom and went home.
It's complicated. I would applaud her if there were no poo but I wouldn't damn her if there was. That's were poo lives, after all. If I went in my shed I couldn't get mad about all the bees because I know my shed is full of bees.
I also had anal sex with an Asian girl I didn't like, but I took a full on shower in her roommate's bathroom (I really didn't like her) which was actually pleasant and luxurious and and then refused a ride home from her. "It's pretty far..." "I SAID NO." and it was a really weird night all in all. I walked home in November in Chicago across several neighborhoods even though there are taxis, buses, and trains I could've taken. I think it was a penance walk because I felt really ashamed of the whole thing even though it was kind of cool. Writing this has been good for me.
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So now it's the Scat Slap board.
Jamie were you in a 70's throwback band when you wore that headband and did that one foot 50-50?
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Sick Animation- I ain't scared (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDk1dvlXNn8#)
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Congrats on going solo.
Now if you can reissue the skeleton graphic from 2001, I would be psyched. I think I skated 6 of those in a row. I cleared out the online places I could find at the time. (those were 7.75 at that time right?)
Even more, if you could put that graphic on a 1992 football shaped deck, I'd ride those until death. I love those shapes and that's one of my fave graphics ever (also a Misfits fan)
Also skated a bunch of the 3 skulls w/blood decks. Oh, and (wish I still had this) I had this old Toy Machine monster hoodie that had "Zero" (bold logo) screened on the upper back (Tum Yeto tag). Always thought that was awesome. Dunno why/how/when I got rid of that, sucks.
Anyway, thanks for all the great stuff over the years
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Never thought of putting my dick in the poop hole. How do you guys muster the strength to do such a feat!?
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You just be kind of gross.
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met a betrothed girl on greyhound that i kept in touch w/ til she was single. entered the backdoor one time and upon releasing from there my penis brought in it's wake a poocano! it was unholy terror for real!
we usedta call the froth of semen, lube and liquid shite 'santorum' and man, santorum is some foul shit!
takes a lot for me to feel compelled to take a shower but that was one of those days.
kinda odd, this girl could come from ass fuckery. i know what you're thinking and no, she wasn't born w/ a prostate but somehow or another it was close enough to her front that it worked.
she was all sorts of screwed up, her step daddy got her started young.
god, don't zap me for saying this but shoutout all the bad stepdads sexualizing their stepdaughters at a young age.
lowkey you're doing god's work....
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I need a shower after reading that.
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met a betrothed girl on greyhound that i kept in touch w/ til she was single. entered the backdoor one time and upon releasing from there my penis brought in it's wake a poocano! it was unholy terror for real!
we usedta call the froth of semen, lube and liquid shite 'santorum' and man, santorum is some foul shit!
takes a lot for me to feel compelled to take a shower but that was one of those days.
kinda odd, this girl could come from ass fuckery. i know what you're thinking and no, she wasn't born w/ a prostate but somehow or another it was close enough to her front that it worked.
she was all sorts of screwed up, her step daddy got her started young.
god, don't zap me for saying this but shoutout all the bad stepdads sexualizing their stepdaughters at a young age.
lowkey you're doing god's work....
That isn't funny, clever or cute. You are human garbage.
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That isn't funny, clever, cute, or untrue.
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Where Rattray @?
One of my favorites. Is he a Nike TM or something now? :-\ Would love to see another part from him
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met a betrothed girl on greyhound that i kept in touch w/ til she was single. entered the backdoor one time and upon releasing from there my penis brought in it's wake a poocano! it was unholy terror for real!
we usedta call the froth of semen, lube and liquid shite 'santorum' and man, santorum is some foul shit!
takes a lot for me to feel compelled to take a shower but that was one of those days.
kinda odd, this girl could come from ass fuckery. i know what you're thinking and no, she wasn't born w/ a prostate but somehow or another it was close enough to her front that it worked.
she was all sorts of screwed up, her step daddy got her started young.
god, don't zap me for saying this but shoutout all the bad stepdads sexualizing their stepdaughters at a young age.
lowkey you're doing god's work....
That isn't funny, clever or cute. You are human garbage.
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i'm sorry you didn't like my joke mr stabmaster but isn't there a rule that people who have been to prison aren't allowed to criticize people who haven't?
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i'm sorry you didn't like my joke mr stabmaster but isn't there a rule that people who have been to prison aren't allowed to criticize people who haven't?
No there are too many free retards in the world for a rule like that. You have to be provably smarter than the person you're criticizing which might not be so easy considering your post history and fly-by-night beekeeping.
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Thanks for ruining our sexy asian scat thread, you jerk.
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I've had shit dick twice, ain't no biggie. No poocano's just a little two toning.
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Honestly, in my experience, the dirt path has been dry almost every time I took the back woods. Sure, you get that smelly lube mix after a while, but that's fine.
One time I got shit dick and it smelt so bad I had to fake cum. Just moaned and spat on his back. Fucking gross, but I was playing with fire, in fairness.
Anyway, Chief, how are all the lads from Dying to Live doing?
Would you write an autobiography?
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add korean to the different styles of slap BBQ
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I wish I could frame threads like these on my wall like art.
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i'm sorry you didn't like my joke mr stabmaster but isn't there a rule that people who have been to prison aren't allowed to criticize people who haven't?
My fault dude. Let's just ignore the fact you're tipping your hat to pedophiles.
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Shark Tits is pro-pedos, confirmed. You dun goofed, man.
#pizzagate (#post_pizzagate)
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i was being smarmy silver linings. it's like everyone wants to eat meat but castigate anyone who kills an animal. everyone loves sluts but don't wanna think about where they come from.
if you can't grasp nuance you shouldn't be allowed to read my posts. might be some truth to what i say but mostly i'm trying to be silly.
i did some juvie time w/ kid touchers. i usedta think i was better than them. my crime is better than your crime. i was a piece of shit too, just a slightly more socially acceptable version although who is society to accept?
i like what you're doing at whigger park in detroit, i was just on some glass houses/tossing rocks shit.
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They make shoes too
(http://images.wogibtswas.at/data/image/500x705/566/pro-pedo-tieffussbettpantoffel-2826869.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/vNCwWIC.png)
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This:
(http://i.imgur.com/Zbbh8UM.png)
Made me make this:
(http://i.imgur.com/zb6PBIh.jpg)
hahaha, i wish i did that and everyone wanted 7.625's
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zero boards with better wood now? sounds good, good luck man
I feel we are all forgetting Zero was one of the first companies to leave America and start producing in Mexico. Zero has produced sub-par boards for over a decade (not just since 2014 when Thomas moved Zero over to Dwindle). While Powell was the first skate company to really try to start producing outside of the States (1980s - China), Thomas and Mangum--along with the guys at Dwindle--help set the trend of non-American/Canadian made boards when it came to "new-school" skateboarding. (Note: According to Transworld Business, in 2004, the guys working at Thomas's factory in Mexico were making 45-55 dollars a week.)
My impression is that Thomas has sought out lower cost rather than quality for quite some time now and that along with skateboarding's continued decline in popularity, and the coming of new trends make it difficult for Zero to be the same company it was in 2002. We could also argue about brand image, marketing strategy, and various rumors but that would take us no where.
However, the key issue isn't just Thomas's pursuit of lower-costs (nor is he alone in this business model), we also need to look at our desire for cheap consumer goods, and the shop's need to produce some profit to stay in business. It is amazing how little those of us in the US are willing to pay for a our skate goods. Moreover, it is good to remember that the board wars of 2001-2006 weren't just blanks vs pro boards, it was shop boards vs blanks vs pro boards. What is more important supporting the local shop or supporting the pro company? If we didn't expect pro-boards with grip to cost $45 maybe we could do both at the same time.
http://www.grindtv.com/transworld-business/products/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/ (http://www.grindtv.com/transworld-business/products/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/)
http://skateboarding.transworld.net/news/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/ (http://skateboarding.transworld.net/news/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/)
deluxe had been at Bareback in mexico for years before we moved to our production down there and everyones swears by deluxe. we have never compromised quality for price, so you're spouting some bullshit. personally, i think the dwindle wood is the best wood i've ever ridden. otherwise, we are what we are and if you don't like it, cool
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Whats Lyndsey Robinson upto these days?
Also, have you seen the Ryan Smith thread? Is he okay these days?
Chief, would you be down for an official SLAP pals Q&A?
last i heard lindsey works at a flower shop in carlsbad/san marcos and grows weed
smith lives in canada and suffers from alcoholism and pds from his wreck / he lives with his folks and works on motorcycles. we talk from time to time
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Have you thought about throwing your name into my secret santa post in the classifieds? Right now it's about a 1 in 20 chance of getting something ;) :D
Also do you know if Roark will be doing any sales soon? I can't find your jacket anywhere but the site currently :-\
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Whats Lyndsey Robinson upto these days?
Also, have you seen the Ryan Smith thread? Is he okay these days?
Chief, would you be down for an official SLAP pals Q&A?
last i heard lindsey works at a flower shop in carlsbad/san marcos and grows weed
smith lives in canada and suffers from alcoholism and pds from his wreck / he lives with his folks and works on motorcycles. we talk from time to time
i feel like i do the slap pals q&a every few months, but yeah i'm down for an official interview if you guys want
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Just want to say thank you, Jamie. You honestly seem like a stand-up guy. I admire all your hard work, dedication, and everything you've offered to the skate world. You're a legend. Just wanted to say thanks....
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lindsey works at a flower shop
(https://s30.postimg.org/f5k1ldctt/LRC.jpg)
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Congrats on going solo.
Now if you can reissue the skeleton graphic from 2001, I would be psyched. I think I skated 6 of those in a row. I cleared out the online places I could find at the time. (those were 7.75 at that time right?)
Even more, if you could put that graphic on a 1992 football shaped deck, I'd ride those until death. I love those shapes and that's one of my fave graphics ever (also a Misfits fan)
Also skated a bunch of the 3 skulls w/blood decks. Oh, and (wish I still had this) I had this old Toy Machine monster hoodie that had "Zero" (bold logo) screened on the upper back (Tum Yeto tag). Always thought that was awesome. Dunno why/how/when I got rid of that, sucks.
Anyway, thanks for all the great stuff over the years
thanks good! we've had that egg shape board in at least one graphic per season for the last few
we'll get it on the site asap, so that way at least you can find it.
not sure what to say about the tum yeto hoody
Where Rattray @?
One of my favorites. Is he a Nike TM or something now? :-\ Would love to see another part from him
yes and he's still ripping on his terms, but i don't think he has any plans for more parts.
Just want to say thank you, Jamie. You honestly seem like a stand-up guy. I admire all your hard work, dedication, and everything you've offered to the skate world. You're a legend. Just wanted to say thanks....
gracias mi amigo
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Chief, I'm not going to make a new thread asking for anything, but here's your opportunity to (maybe) sell me something. Since this thread became somewhat of an AMA and all. I saw an old Rattray deck for sale, one with a big blue gorilla looking all shook. The price is kinda OK, it's a bit too narrow for my 149 trucks, but I'd like to think that, somehow, I'm buying something from one of the all-time greats and a fellow PAL, so I'm torn. Should I bite the bullet and buy it? Best regards.
i think you should get it based on the fact that rattray is the best!!
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Chief, I'm not going to make a new thread asking for anything, but here's your opportunity to (maybe) sell me something. Since this thread became somewhat of an AMA and all. I saw an old Rattray deck for sale, one with a big blue gorilla looking all shook. The price is kinda OK, it's a bit too narrow for my 149 trucks, but I'd like to think that, somehow, I'm buying something from one of the all-time greats and a fellow PAL, so I'm torn. Should I bite the bullet and buy it? Best regards.
i think you should get it based on the fact that rattray is the best!!
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I don't have a question, but I just want to share how happy I am that I found my favourite shirt from when I was younger: http://imgur.com/a/kuyzc (http://imgur.com/a/kuyzc)
(http://i.imgur.com/ZEJ9DpK.jpg)
Also, I never throw things away nowadays because I am afraid of having the feeling I have about your Circa 801 model. I trashed them over the years and my mom threw them away when I was 17 without telling me anything. It still is my favourite skate shoe ever and I can't get them again despite having over 200 pairs of sneakers. If anybody has a pair of these, send me a PM.
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zero boards with better wood now? �sounds good, good luck man
I feel we are all forgetting Zero was one of the first companies to leave America and start producing in Mexico. Zero has produced sub-par boards for over a decade (not just since 2014 when Thomas moved Zero over to Dwindle). While Powell was the first skate company to really try to start producing outside of the States (1980s - China), Thomas and Mangum--along with the guys at Dwindle--help set the trend of non-American/Canadian made boards when it came to "new-school" skateboarding. (Note: According to Transworld Business, in 2004, the guys working at Thomas's factory in Mexico were making 45-55 dollars a week.)
My impression is that Thomas has sought out lower cost rather than quality for quite some time now and that along with skateboarding's continued decline in popularity, and the coming of new trends make it difficult for Zero to be the same company it was in 2002. We could also argue about brand image, marketing strategy, and various rumors but that would take us no where.
However, the key issue isn't just Thomas's pursuit of lower-costs (nor is he alone in this business model), we also need to look at our desire for cheap consumer goods, and the shop's need to produce some profit to stay in business. It is amazing how little those of us in the US are willing to pay for a our skate goods. Moreover, it is good to remember that the board wars of 2001-2006 weren't just blanks vs pro boards, it was shop boards vs blanks vs pro boards. What is more important supporting the local shop or supporting the pro company? If we didn't expect pro-boards with grip to cost $45 maybe we could do both at the same time.
http://www.grindtv.com/transworld-business/products/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/ (http://www.grindtv.com/transworld-business/products/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/)
http://skateboarding.transworld.net/news/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/ (http://skateboarding.transworld.net/news/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/)
deluxe had been at Bareback in mexico for years before we moved to our production down there and everyones swears by deluxe. we have never compromised quality for price, so you're spouting some bullshit. personally, i think the dwindle wood is the best wood i've ever ridden. otherwise, we are what we are and if you don't like it, cool
I had the same conversation with Mirko when he was still with Zoo York. He defended Zero's made in Mexico boards as well and if you think Dwindle wood is the best, cool, I strongly disagree but we don't need to agree. I can only tell you the same thing that I told Mirko, the riders and employees of the shop I was at noticed the change and they weren't stoked. This wasn't good, because for our shop the best sales pitch was always "this is the board that I ride" or "this is the board our team rides."
As for BBS being there "years before we moved." I'm unsure what you mean. In a semi-recent interview with CNN, Grant Burns of BBS explains he moved the production line in 2004 as well. "In 2004 Burns moved his production line from San Marcos, Calif., across the border to Tijuana, Mexico, to better compete with China" (source: http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/03/smallbusiness/us_manufacturing/ (http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/03/smallbusiness/us_manufacturing/) ). Moreover, in 2003 Grant Burns is quoted in Transworld discussing issues related to running BBS manufacturing in California. "Grant Burns is the president of Vista, California-based Bareback skateboard manufacturing that cuts an estimated 30,000 boards a month. This leaves fouur three-yard bins of wood waste a day. �Quite a bit of wood,� says Burns. �It�s kind of unfortunate-it doesn�t work for this area (Vista, California) because there are certain guys who don�t want to take the wood because of the glue. They make it real tough in California. Even if we were freezing cold-anything that�s a potential fire risk makes it hard to get permitted. Our pressroom is heated, and we need to have a heat pump that runs it. I would love to go with a pot-belly stove or a heater that runs off of our waste, but it could never get permitted because to get it through the city it would be considered a fire hazard (source: http://skateboarding.transworld.net/news/wood-recycling/#gDMFrGjRm1IyXDWq.99 (http://skateboarding.transworld.net/news/wood-recycling/#gDMFrGjRm1IyXDWq.99) ).
While, you have a point that Zero wasn't the only one switching to Mexico as this trend of leaving the US started picking up steam, it certainly doesn't seem that BBS moved their production "years before" Blackbox did. Not to mention, it appears that Burns kept production in both the US and Mexico at least until 2010 as he installed a screen press at the Vista location in 2010 (source http://whattheythink.com/news/42472-sakurai-maestro-prints-heat-transfers-skateboards-bbs/ (http://whattheythink.com/news/42472-sakurai-maestro-prints-heat-transfers-skateboards-bbs/)).
Skateboarding isn't what it was in the early 2000's. It isn't nearly as big and the big skate companies of the time aren't enjoying the same amount of interest today. I feel that quality is certainly one factor that often gets ignored. Mirko didn't like this when I told him years ago as the crash began and that is fine by me. The guys at Dwindle didn't want to hear it either, and that's fine as well. However, I never expected our customers to pay for something that I wouldn't ride myself.
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Hey Jamie, what wood were Zero Boards in 99-2002 ish? They were solid!
I personally don't care where a board is made as its the end product we should all care about.
What i like about Dwindle wood is the consistency they output (the DSM production video backs this up too)
Always stiff, true boards that don't go soggy after a few sessions.
I hope I'm right in saying they are heat transferred rather than screen printed?
Some people hate on that, i get the argument from both sides.
Love that Lyndsey is growing weed lol
Sad to hear about Ryan smith, i met him at a demo one, nice guy!
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zero boards with better wood now? �sounds good, good luck man
I feel we are all forgetting Zero was one of the first companies to leave America and start producing in Mexico. Zero has produced sub-par boards for over a decade (not just since 2014 when Thomas moved Zero over to Dwindle). While Powell was the first skate company to really try to start producing outside of the States (1980s - China), Thomas and Mangum--along with the guys at Dwindle--help set the trend of non-American/Canadian made boards when it came to "new-school" skateboarding. (Note: According to Transworld Business, in 2004, the guys working at Thomas's factory in Mexico were making 45-55 dollars a week.)
My impression is that Thomas has sought out lower cost rather than quality for quite some time now and that along with skateboarding's continued decline in popularity, and the coming of new trends make it difficult for Zero to be the same company it was in 2002. We could also argue about brand image, marketing strategy, and various rumors but that would take us no where.
However, the key issue isn't just Thomas's pursuit of lower-costs (nor is he alone in this business model), we also need to look at our desire for cheap consumer goods, and the shop's need to produce some profit to stay in business. It is amazing how little those of us in the US are willing to pay for a our skate goods. Moreover, it is good to remember that the board wars of 2001-2006 weren't just blanks vs pro boards, it was shop boards vs blanks vs pro boards. What is more important supporting the local shop or supporting the pro company? If we didn't expect pro-boards with grip to cost $45 maybe we could do both at the same time.
http://www.grindtv.com/transworld-business/products/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/ (http://www.grindtv.com/transworld-business/products/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/)
http://skateboarding.transworld.net/news/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/ (http://skateboarding.transworld.net/news/offshore-manufacturing-alternative-black-box-has-found-a-way-to-lower-costs-without-going/)
deluxe had been at Bareback in mexico for years before we moved to our production down there and everyones swears by deluxe. we have never compromised quality for price, so you're spouting some bullshit. personally, i think the dwindle wood is the best wood i've ever ridden. otherwise, we are what we are and if you don't like it, cool
I had the same conversation with Mirko when he was still with Zoo York. He defended Zero's made in Mexico boards as well and if you think Dwindle wood is the best, cool, I strongly disagree but we don't need to agree. I can only tell you the same thing that I told Mirko, the riders and employees of the shop I was at noticed the change and they weren't stoked. This wasn't good, because for our shop the best sales pitch was always "this is the board that I ride" or "this is the board our team rides."
As for BBS being there "years before we moved." I'm unsure what you mean. In a semi-recent interview with CNN, Grant Burns of BBS explains he moved the production line in 2004 as well. "In 2004 Burns moved his production line from San Marcos, Calif., across the border to Tijuana, Mexico, to better compete with China" (source: http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/03/smallbusiness/us_manufacturing/ (http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/03/smallbusiness/us_manufacturing/) ). Moreover, in 2003 Grant Burns is quoted in Transworld discussing issues related to running BBS manufacturing in California. "Grant Burns is the president of Vista, California-based Bareback skateboard manufacturing that cuts an estimated 30,000 boards a month. This leaves fouur three-yard bins of wood waste a day. �Quite a bit of wood,� says Burns. �It�s kind of unfortunate-it doesn�t work for this area (Vista, California) because there are certain guys who don�t want to take the wood because of the glue. They make it real tough in California. Even if we were freezing cold-anything that�s a potential fire risk makes it hard to get permitted. Our pressroom is heated, and we need to have a heat pump that runs it. I would love to go with a pot-belly stove or a heater that runs off of our waste, but it could never get permitted because to get it through the city it would be considered a fire hazard (source: http://skateboarding.transworld.net/news/wood-recycling/#gDMFrGjRm1IyXDWq.99 (http://skateboarding.transworld.net/news/wood-recycling/#gDMFrGjRm1IyXDWq.99) ).
While, you have a point that Zero wasn't the only one switching to Mexico as this trend of leaving the US started picking up steam, it certainly doesn't seem that BBS moved their production "years before" Blackbox did. Not to mention, it appears that Burns kept production in both the US and Mexico at least until 2010 as he installed a screen press at the Vista location in 2010 (source http://whattheythink.com/news/42472-sakurai-maestro-prints-heat-transfers-skateboards-bbs/ (http://whattheythink.com/news/42472-sakurai-maestro-prints-heat-transfers-skateboards-bbs/)).
Skateboarding isn't what it was in the early 2000's. It isn't nearly as big and the big skate companies of the time aren't enjoying the same amount of interest today. I feel that quality is certainly one factor that often gets ignored. Mirko didn't like this when I told him years ago as the crash began and that is fine by me. The guys at Dwindle didn't want to hear it either, and that's fine as well. However, I never expected our customers to pay for something that I wouldn't ride myself.
are you unemployed ?
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Hey Jamie, how would you rate Larper's latest novel on a scale from 1 to nerd?
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still waiting on that Wade Burkitt story yo... :'(