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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: dirty ol man on June 10, 2017, 07:59:09 PM
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the two modern tech savant street game changer parts.
which is it?
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pj
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PJ.
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PATRICK JOHN
ALL FUCKING DAY... NOTHING THESE NEW DUDES PUT OUT WILL COMPARE JUST BASED ON THE ERA IN WHICH IT WAS RELEASED.
BUT YEAH MARK IS A CLOSE RUNNER UP
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i'm with patrick john
but why do i keep watching SCC and just being like fuck?
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both had the right songs
but, almost a decade separate who was more passionate in delivering especially after (x) interviews
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Pj.....not even close....
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its a No Contest
P "B&" J wins Hands Down.....This WHite Nigga changed the game! Yah its Apples Vs Oranges, But PJ Butter left a Heavy MArk in the SK8 History Books.....Period.....Ground Breaking type shit. Having your Eyeballs pop out of your Head type stuff.
Mark "Su Su" Suciu is dope & has a clean style with a Noice Trick selection.....He didnt make your Eyes pop out of your SKull Thou.
PJ Butter for Da Easy Win
Handsdown
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For no good reason at all...
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I can't watch PJ's WHL part cuz the first time I saw it was the first time I was kicking dope, and hearing the song makes me feel ill. But I love Elliott Smith and can watch Suciu rip all day.
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PJ !!!
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Go sanitize your hands after typing this blasphemous question.
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PJ single handedly shut down anyone ever being able to skate to Pulp again after WHL.
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PJ in a landslide
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Suicu had a better front shuv at pulaski than Puig
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Stupid question. PJ is the defining part of 2000-2010. Was Suici's even the best part of that year?
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But who's read more book?
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Who's debunking more myths about the facades of our cultural awareness?
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Who's debunking more myths about the facades of our cultural awareness?
:D
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one thing i always thought really made PJ's part in WHL what it was, in addition to the phenomenal tech skating, is the vibe of the spots he was skating. i have never been to boston so i wouldn't really know, but watching that part (which i still do a lot, it's fascinated me ever since it first came out) it just transpires that he's mostly skating local spots, on which he looks totally familiar with the terrain which more often than not looks rugged as fuck. he goes really fast the whole time too, does all those shifty flip tricks that kind of look like a tech extension of oyola's style. he has that city skating vibe going on all the while doing fucked up hard tricks, which are seldom seen in such settings and consequently look all the more impressive and rad. that plus the typical rugged skate rat look, it's really easy as the average skater (especially of that era) to project themselves in the dirty hoodies or identify with the worn-out shoes - it just feels a lot more like what we all know, the basic struggles of street skating, except the way PJ 'street skates' is out of this world. skating was never the same after PJ's part dropped, and in a way it pioneered the tech ledge and flatground movement then displayed by the likes of mike mo, then cory kennedy then shane o neil, except i never thought any of them ever matched WHL PJ in terms of flavor. the way i see it, suciu's part was a good part by a really good skater, but PJ's contribution to the culture really changed the game
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one thing i always thought really made PJ's part in WHL what it was, in addition to the phenomenal tech skating, is the vibe of the spots he was skating. i have never been to boston so i wouldn't really know, but watching that part (which i still do a lot, it's fascinated me ever since it first came out) it just transpires that he's mostly skating local spots, on which he looks totally familiar with the terrain which more often than not looks rugged as fuck. he goes really fast the whole time too, does all those shifty flip tricks that kind of look like a tech extension of oyola's style. he has that city skating vibe going on all the while doing fucked up hard tricks, which are seldom seen in such settings and consequently look all the more impressive and rad. that plus the typical rugged skate rat look, it's really easy as the average skater (especially of that era) to project themselves in the dirty hoodies or identify with the worn-out shoes - it just feels a lot more like what we all know, the basic struggles of street skating, except the way PJ 'street skates' is out of this world. skating was never the same after PJ's part dropped, and in a way it pioneered the tech ledge and flatground movement then displayed by the likes of mike mo, then cory kennedy then shane o neil, except i never thought any of them ever matched WHL PJ in terms of flavor. the way i see it, suciu's part was a good part by a really good skater, but PJ's contribution to the culture really changed the game
i remember seeing the video at the local shop back then and the guys all were like " it's only a shop video but that guy makes all the pros look so bad- yes, he is that fucked up good!" but when i saw that part i could not and still cannot believe. don't get me wrong i am a huge fan of sucius skating but you just cannot match the impact of PJs part back then.....wich had the advantage of still being filmed in an era before youtube and shit. i still think that sucius SABOTAGE 3 part is his most definate part though above cross continental.
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Unpopular opinion but it has to be Sucui for me.
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You guys really need to get over that PJ part, it came out 15 years ago for fucks sake.
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i remember haters at the shop being like "this isn't even skateboarding" like it was a hoax or a stunt. nobody could process PJ WHL.
after listening to suciu on the bunt, it sort of elevated cross continental and took me back to when that first dropped.
guy, mouse
suciu, cc
pj whl
jj, mindfield
wray, shs
all those parts cleared the fog of skating being the priority to me and to this day are still go-to's if someone is interested in skating
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Go sanitize your hands after typing this blasphemous question.
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i remember haters at the shop being like "this isn't even skateboarding" like it was a hoax or a stunt. nobody could process PJ WHL.
after listening to suciu on the bunt, it sort of elevated cross continental and took me back to when that first dropped.
guy, mouse
suciu, cc
pj whl
jj, mindfield
wray, shs
all those parts cleared the fog of skating being the priority to me and to this day are still go-to's if someone is interested in skating
I wish there was a high quality version of JJ's Mindfield part. That part is my WHL.
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PJ
but my favorite PJ part is Silence is golden
Its like Ill Matic vs It was written
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dude delete this
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dude delete this
srs.
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i remember haters at the shop being like "this isn't even skateboarding" like it was a hoax or a stunt. nobody could process PJ WHL.
after listening to suciu on the bunt, it sort of elevated cross continental and took me back to when that first dropped.
guy, mouse
suciu, cc
pj whl
jj, mindfield
wray, shs
all those parts cleared the fog of skating being the priority to me and to this day are still go-to's if someone is interested in skating
Mindfield DVD
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the two modern tech savant street game changer parts.
which is it?
"Don't bother saying you're sorry..."
I remember my friend got WHL for his birthday and we all watched it after opening all the gifts and I was way more stoked on it than he was, and that night I decided I would land my first 360 flip in his driveway and after battling it I finally figured it out because I was inspired by that part. One of my favorite skateboarding memories. Thanks PJ Ladd.
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Both great but no one can forget PJ in WHL. Mark's part was unreal but beside a handful of others, PJ was head and shoulders next level.
Zered in Vicious Cycle is a more fair assessment, closer time frame. I could talk about this stuff forever but I've watched Suciu's part twice the second being right now, and PJ's over 10 times.
I still think Mass skaters rule the list is never ending.
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Pj Ladd made me believe that skateboarding was magic, and I'd been skating ten years when that part came out. Suciu's various parts have pretty much just been a testament to the fact that magic is a farce, tricks played on the willingly ignorant. There will never be another PJ, including PJ, just as there will never be another Penny. Skateboarding can never be amazing again. Good news is that it's still pretty fun to do I guess.
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End thread please
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one thing i always thought really made PJ's part in WHL what it was, in addition to the phenomenal tech skating, is the vibe of the spots he was skating. i have never been to boston so i wouldn't really know, but watching that part (which i still do a lot, it's fascinated me ever since it first came out) it just transpires that he's mostly skating local spots, on which he looks totally familiar with the terrain which more often than not looks rugged as fuck. he goes really fast the whole time too, does all those shifty flip tricks that kind of look like a tech extension of oyola's style. he has that city skating vibe going on all the while doing fucked up hard tricks, which are seldom seen in such settings and consequently look all the more impressive and rad. that plus the typical rugged skate rat look, it's really easy as the average skater (especially of that era) to project themselves in the dirty hoodies or identify with the worn-out shoes - it just feels a lot more like what we all know, the basic struggles of street skating, except the way PJ 'street skates' is out of this world. skating was never the same after PJ's part dropped, and in a way it pioneered the tech ledge and flatground movement then displayed by the likes of mike mo, then cory kennedy then shane o neil, except i never thought any of them ever matched WHL PJ in terms of flavor. the way i see it, suciu's part was a good part by a really good skater, but PJ's contribution to the culture really changed the game
i remember seeing the video at the local shop back then and the guys all were like " it's only a shop video but that guy makes all the pros look so bad- yes, he is that fucked up good!" but when i saw that part i could not and still cannot believe. don't get me wrong i am a huge fan of sucius skating but you just cannot match the impact of PJs part back then.....wich had the advantage of still being filmed in an era before youtube and shit. i still think that sucius SABOTAGE 3 part is his most definate part though above cross continental.
the epoch the video came out is actually a very good point to bring up, for several reasons. it was pre-youtube as you rightfully said, back when local full-lengths and shop videos still mattered to the majority of skaters as long as they had any sort of quality to them (something i find is still a thing, but has been diluting ever since the epoch where the big corporations started to explicitly take over and, more generally, exploiting the internet as a massive marketing tool gradually became the main thing to do with it). it came out at a time when we weren't being massively overwhelmed with information and 'content' yet, so it was easier to focus on individual projects and outputs.
moreover, i feel like the industry still felt kind of 'ours' back then - although some questionable shifts were happening already, in reality topics such as the x-games, or extreme sports groups purchasing skate brands were most suburban soul skaters' biggest worries at the time - gear manufactured by outside corporations were less of an option (whereas nowadays, is it fair to ponder if, realistically and outside of our demographic, it's become the average kid's go-to ?). case in point, it was probably easier then for the average skater in general to relate to what felt like our common dirty secret - secret society insider shit - and PJ's skate rat personality as portrayed in WHL totally embodied that vibe. it may have been one of the strongest cultural contributions (of its time, at least) to make the average skater feel like they belonged to something special, thereby enhancing the effect of the obviously incredible skating.
and that being said, at the same time the digital age actually really was just around the corner and as far as i recall, the video was one of the first ever to benefit from the worldwide exposure inherent to being massively shared on p2p networks such as emule, kazaa, soulseek, limewire... back when not just about everything and anything was being shared (or even filmed with cell phones in the first place). i don't know how all of you first got to see WHL in the first place, but from what i saw here in europe most everyone would download it from there, some actively going out of their way to look it up upon reading about it in the most up-to-date of the few skate magazines we had, others just because it was one of the hot files sitting there right next to, say, classic vids such as questionable and video days, as well as the few randomly popular clips of the time, like that now ancient eric koston vs. paul rodriguez flatground game of skate, or 'the blowjob video' in a pre-free-porn-streaming era. it was a pretty convenient film to find, before the internet got flooded so even in those regards, it really came out at the right time.
sorry for the wall of text, but that particular video part represents a key time period in skateboarding for me, it changed the way i looked at it at the time so obviously it is going to be one of my favorite things to nerd out on despite its age (which is an argument i think is irrelevant in skateboarding anyway - great skateboarding is timeless, only trends come and go). funny to hear about people going out of their way to learn 360 flips after it dropped, i did the same thing, with nollie 360 flips too. and in general it just influenced me to try and make my lines more frantic for a brief moment - putting more tricks into them, popping a new one sooner after landing the former one, quickly shifting my feet. may be a stretch but i'm now starting to ponder if that part alone might have had an effect on the general pace of pro's lines at the time ? like the rhythm at which they were doing tricks as opposed to just flowing in between them (think donger or SF skaters for a vulgarization of what i mean). as though long lines with little tech action were suddenly being thought of as boring. again, trends...
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Suicu had a better front shuv at pulaski than Puig
I think Lucas's was switch...
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Suciu
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When PJWHL came out, I was skating the most in my life and skateboarding media was not as saturated as now, so it had an incredible impact on my skateboarding. He also skated relatable spots, so that helped. Looking back on that part now it seems a lot less impressive, but enjoyable still.
I just rewatched Suciu's part and shit is insane, so the question is not out of line. But by 2012, video parts already became a commodity and get forget easily, so he never god the same chance as PJ. The sheer breadth of his skills in that part is amazing. He skates everything and kills it.
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Is this a question of a better "coming into their own" parts or respective sphere of influence? PJ wins on both, especially considering the current trend of skateboarding at that time, but that Mark Suciu part may have been the last widely watched single part, before Thrasher started posting three parts a day -- almost a pre-web clip web part, in a way. He clearly put a lot of thought into the preparation and execution of his part, which is rad and makes it stand out much more.
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Just rewatched both videos, you can't compare Suciu's spots and tricks selection to PJ.
There are too much flatgroud tricks for me in PJ's part (how many nollie heel shifty ?) and same spot three or four times...
Suciu's skating is like he is finding the right trick for the right spot.
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Suicu had a better front shuv at pulaski than Puig
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Not sure how these two parts are comparable. I love Suciu's skating and that part, but how many parts have had the impact of PJLWHL?
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Is this a question of a better "coming into their own" parts or respective sphere of influence? PJ wins on both, especially considering the current trend of skateboarding at that time, but that Mark Suciu part may have been the last widely watched single part, before Thrasher started posting three parts a day -- almost a pre-web clip web part, in a way. He clearly put a lot of thought into the preparation and execution of his part, which is rad and makes it stand out much more.
that's where i was going, you framed the question better than me.
zered was mentioned as well. just parts that someone is so passionately on a killing spree, and clearly not filmed over 5 years like a crailtap part or even AVE in vans.
whatever /thread
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ave - dc video
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Is this a question of a better "coming into their own" parts or respective sphere of influence? PJ wins on both, especially considering the current trend of skateboarding at that time, but that Mark Suciu part may have been the last widely watched single part, before Thrasher started posting three parts a day -- almost a pre-web clip web part, in a way. He clearly put a lot of thought into the preparation and execution of his part, which is rad and makes it stand out much more.
that's where i was going, you framed the question better than me.
zered was mentioned as well. just parts that someone is so passionately on a killing spree, and clearly not filmed over 5 years like a crailtap part or even AVE in vans.
whatever /thread
Zered is a great example, as is Jake Johnson in Mind Field (as someone previously mentioned). The first two that popped to mind for me were Dylan's solo part and Jerry Hsu in Bag of Suck.
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Everyone killed it in WHL, but there is no denying that's the best part ever released In a shop video.
That part was beyond fucked. Nbds left right front and center.
First time I watched it he was shitting on pros, suicu not so much. His trick selection and talent is obviously next level, but it's never been close to PJs impact.
It's also weird that PJs first part was by far his best. How do you match that?
Suicu is incredible, I love watching his footy, but it's nowhere near pj. Only one close in recent times is Corey Kennedy. And pj still takes it imo
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Suciu Cross Continental was holy shit rad!
PJ WHL was holy fuck fucking shit rad!
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4 minute video parts don't come out of nowhere anymore now that every single thing kids film goes on Instagram as soon as possible. I can't see another part impacting skating as heavily as PJ did in WHL. Watching an unknown kid from Boston do tricks no one had seen since the Plan B era 90's in lines on those windowsills was like nothing else. And he's just having so much fun and doesn't seem to know or care about California at all. It still stokes me out.
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Pj.....not even close....
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when pj's part came out i was in uni, everyone was talking about it and we had it playing in the vcr for at least the remaining time of the semester. Like, the video actually playing non stop for a few months in a student house. we did not watch anything else for a while.
when Suciu's part came out i totally freaked out and forwarded the vid to all my friends. Kept talking about the clip for a few months.
pj>suciu
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P-rod street cinema is most influential than PJ WHL.
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P-rod street cinema is most influential than PJ WHL.
lol
question is, do you prefer the VHS part or the DVD recut version of WHL? - slight variations in there
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Dont forget that PJ said Suciu was one of his favorite skaters (before he blew up) on a text yo self on the berrics and it dramatically helped his career.
https://youtu.be/6_JNOQP-C-w
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Alexis Sablone killed it in WHL, so did King of Freestyle
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It was kind of crazy at the time being a New Englander when PJ WHL came out, because I think in the back of our minds we knew something was incredibly fucking special there, and we championed him as one of our own, but I don't know that we fully realized he would usher in this whole new era of street skating.
The impact of that video was huge! Absolutely monstrous! I feel like when you watch some of the ridiculous flip trickery nonsense when you watch BATB, it owes itself in a large part to the savant consistency PJ applied in that video.
Mike Mo is essentially leftover primordial matter from when model. 1 PJ was master crafted.
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so did southie and cutthroat colin fiske.
on the way to somerville to watch the screening we seen pj skating the windowsills [i don't know why we cut through financial to get to damn somerville but we did]. dude was so non-rockstar, skate rat while a few hours later a video w/ his name on it is playing.
shit, he might have still been skating windowsills while the movie played for all i know. i wanna say baby schizo was filming the movie screen like a 90s bootleg.
pj> everything before or after.
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Pat Duffy Questionable
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so did southie and cutthroat colin fiske.
on the way to somerville to watch the screening we seen pj skating the windowsills [i don't know why we cut through financial to get to damn somerville but we did]. dude was so non-rockstar, skate rat while a few hours later a video w/ his name on it is playing.
shit, he might have still been skating windowsills while the movie played for all i know. i wanna say baby schizo was filming the movie screen like a 90s bootleg.
pj> everything before or after.
PJ was probably most def was skating those windowsills while minds were being blown
Even if that's sheer legend, that's the mysterious legacy PJ deserves.
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Suciu duh, this is 2017.
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It was kind of crazy at the time being a New Englander when PJ WHL came out, because I think in the back of our minds we knew something was incredibly fucking special there, and we championed him as one of our own, but I don't know that we fully realized he would usher in this whole new era of street skating.
The impact of that video was huge! Absolutely monstrous! I feel like when you watch some of the ridiculous flip trickery nonsense when you watch BATB, it owes itself in a large part to the savant consistency PJ applied in that video.
Mike Mo is essentially leftover primordial matter from when model. 1 PJ was master crafted.
What was so cool about this video was getting the VHS, inviting friends over bc that's the only way to see it, and then waiting for them to overcome their skepticism and watch their minds being blown. I think people maybe don't remember the time when videos/parts were rare and game changing parts ever rarer. I'm not sure if this caused it, but it at least added to the 00s Accel resurgence and helped baggies pants skaters feel better as pants were nearing peak tightness
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noone had the VHS around here but we did burn the downloaded video on CD-R to pass it around... that was our shit for a little while here, we'd set up improvised video screenings, 15 stinking dudes at one dude's house (really whoever had just completed a new tedious 4-day download), looking at the same computer screen, loudly reacting to the clips. and after a while we'd occasionally compile as many videos as we could on a CD-R and spread it. whoever wanted to get the CD-R with the files on it needed to get it from the person who had got it last, provided they didn't lose it or scratch it, odds that of course would exponentially increase with each new person getting involved. 600+ megabytes files were out of the equation, and noone knew how to compress videos, so you often had to deal with shitty quality that didn't feel as shitty back then, but would confuse the hell out of non-skateboarders as to how one could even watch one minute of this crap.
i remember at some point one of us found out about some complicated way of linking his computer, VCR and TV together so he could record the videos on actual tapes. he was so hyped on that, and so we were, until his method turned out to render the videos in black and white with no sound. but we'd still watch those.
WHL was one of those videos and i think the last big release to ever endure such local treatment from us might have been this is skateboarding. the black label videos probably got the most abuse out of them all. no way to ever talk shit on youtube and instagram now after growing up surrounded by such convenience
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Thread's fading out... time for my unpopular opinion: After rewatching both I like the Suciu part better. Of course WHL had a much bigger impact when it came out, there's no contest there. But in terms of the parts themselves, I feel like PJ's is the first effort of an admittedly uniquely talented wunderkind, while Cross Continental is like the carefully calibrated opus magnum of a slightly lesser genius in his prime. At the moment I find myself preferring the latter.
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pj... there's a reason that fool doesn't have to skate to maintain sponsors
suciu's part feels like a really good tribute
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I think it would be more appropriate to compare Sanchez's part in Tim and Henry's Pack of Lies to PJ's part. Filled with NBD's mostly from the same areas (Cali for Sanch and Boston and the South for PJ). They both skated certain spots a good amount, PJ with the window marble ledges and that one plaza wiht the ledges while Sanchez was at EMB. They were completely unheard of previous to the video release. I know lots of people reference Sanchez as being an absolute gamechanger back in the day.
I love that Suciu part though, his spot selection and trick selection are completely on point. He had the best line at the SF library since Carroll. He did some NBD's but like they pointed out on the bunt he literally did not tic tac once which is pretty cool. I'd compare his part more to something like Dill's in Photosynthesis as far as impact.
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pjwhl.
best part ever.
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I think it would be more appropriate to compare Sanchez's part in Tim and Henry's Pack of Lies to PJ's part. Filled with NBD's mostly from the same areas (Cali for Sanch and Boston and the South for PJ). They both skated certain spots a good amount, PJ with the window marble ledges and that one plaza wiht the ledges while Sanchez was at EMB. They were completely unheard of previous to the video release. I know lots of people reference Sanchez as being an absolute gamechanger back in the day.
I love that Suciu part though, his spot selection and trick selection are completely on point. He had the best line at the SF library since Carroll. He did some NBD's but like they pointed out on the bunt he literally did not tic tac once which is pretty cool. I'd compare his part more to something like Dill's in Photosynthesis as far as impact.
on point analysis
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I think it would be more appropriate to compare Sanchez's part in Tim and Henry's Pack of Lies to PJ's part. Filled with NBD's mostly from the same areas (Cali for Sanch and Boston and the South for PJ). They both skated certain spots a good amount, PJ with the window marble ledges and that one plaza wiht the ledges while Sanchez was at EMB. They were completely unheard of previous to the video release. I know lots of people reference Sanchez as being an absolute gamechanger back in the day.
I love that Suciu part though, his spot selection and trick selection are completely on point. He had the best line at the SF library since Carroll. He did some NBD's but like they pointed out on the bunt he literally did not tic tac once which is pretty cool. I'd compare his part more to something like Dill's in Photosynthesis as far as impact.
Was Henry a quiet skate rat? That amassed mad footage outside the skateboard focal point. did socrates film a lot of tim & henry?
thought he was kind of center stage. agreed everyone knew how far he progressed like he skipped a gear.
CC Suciu comparison in impact/approach/skill to Dill photo is wild abstract.
Photo Dill, was 40% progressive skill based (pushing the envelope), and 60% personality; "art"; period significance and approach; and his last, ender part. he was just "dill". to further that, that whole mystique was WAY blown out of proportion. interacting with Dill for years downtown you could tell the media had blown his persona out of proportion. his day in the life in his soho loft on 411, first stop...STARBUCKS. really digging into new york there. he also COMPLETELY kooked himself on the osbornes.
whereas suciu was on the come up, no real personality established, very little art aside from that fart rocking chair 8MM. I'm missing that analogy.
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I think it would be more appropriate to compare Sanchez's part in Tim and Henry's Pack of Lies to PJ's part. Filled with NBD's mostly from the same areas (Cali for Sanch and Boston and the South for PJ). They both skated certain spots a good amount, PJ with the window marble ledges and that one plaza wiht the ledges while Sanchez was at EMB. They were completely unheard of previous to the video release. I know lots of people reference Sanchez as being an absolute gamechanger back in the day.
I love that Suciu part though, his spot selection and trick selection are completely on point. He had the best line at the SF library since Carroll. He did some NBD's but like they pointed out on the bunt he literally did not tic tac once which is pretty cool. I'd compare his part more to something like Dill's in Photosynthesis as far as impact.
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I think it would be more appropriate to compare Sanchez's part in Tim and Henry's Pack of Lies to PJ's part. Filled with NBD's mostly from the same areas (Cali for Sanch and Boston and the South for PJ). They both skated certain spots a good amount, PJ with the window marble ledges and that one plaza wiht the ledges while Sanchez was at EMB. They were completely unheard of previous to the video release. I know lots of people reference Sanchez as being an absolute gamechanger back in the day.
I love that Suciu part though, his spot selection and trick selection are completely on point. He had the best line at the SF library since Carroll. He did some NBD's but like they pointed out on the bunt he literally did not tic tac once which is pretty cool. I'd compare his part more to something like Dill's in Photosynthesis as far as impact.
Was Henry a quiet skate rat? That amassed mad footage outside the skateboard focal point. did socrates film a lot of tim & henry?
thought he was kind of center stage. agreed everyone knew how far he progressed like he skipped a gear.
CC Suciu comparison in impact/approach/skill to Dill photo is wild abstract.
Photo Dill, was 40% progressive skill based (pushing the envelope), and 60% personality; "art"; period significance and approach; and his last, ender part. he was just "dill". to further that, that whole mystique was WAY blown out of proportion. interacting with Dill for years downtown you could tell the media had blown his persona out of proportion. his day in the life in his soho loft on 411, first stop...STARBUCKS. really digging into new york there. he also COMPLETELY kooked himself on the osbornes.
whereas suciu was on the come up, no real personality established, very little art aside from that fart rocking chair 8MM. I'm missing that analogy.
I'm pretty sure doomstation55 is comparing the impact of the parts. Not the personality or popularity of the skater at the time. People were tripping out over that Henry's part. The style of skateboarding had changed so much within those years 91-93, most people had no idea what was going down until videos were released. It was definitely a game changer and in the conversation with PJ's WHL impact.
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P-rod street cinema is most influential than PJ WHL.
lol
question is, do you prefer the VHS part or the DVD recut version of WHL? - slight variations in there
I wanted to bring this up in my first post here. The first time I watched the video was on vcr and watched it from there for at least 4 months until someone gave me a digital copy. Definitely preferred the vcr version over the digital but not based solely on the edit/tricks aspect.
Same story as with the Modus Operandi digital copy, the flow of the video was not the same and some stuff did not radiate the same magic as their vcr rivals. The MC line especially, I remember thinking "had I watched this on the computer first, I wouldn't have appreciated it as much". As for the edit and tricks, I strongly believe that my preference for the vcr version stems from me being overly accustomed to that, the same that happens with music when people tend to prefer the one version they got introduced to a song with.
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I'm not breaking any new ground here when I say, while they are both great, PJ edges it out. It's the little things in that part that put it ahead, such as the fact PJ tailslides a bumper to get up a curb during a line.
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PJ cos who wants to watch a cali kid pretend to be from the east coast.
Suciu is amazing, don't get me wrong, but the whole time i was watching that it was like "damn this kid must hate being from the bay area"
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PJ
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PJ cos who wants to watch a cali kid pretend to be from the east coast.
Suciu is amazing, don't get me wrong, but the whole time i was watching that it was like "damn this kid must hate being from the bay area"
in what way was he pretending to be from the east coast?
how many east coasters have made their mark out west, is it not a two way street?
i bet when rieder would stay in NYC for periods he HATED being from SoCal.
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Well, PJ. It's already been mentioned but part of the reason why PJ's part is so groundbreaking is b/c at the time, his type of skating wasn't the focus. Kids were stuck on handrails and going big. It was a paradigm shift that everyone not only accepted but were amazed by. There was a write-up in Thrasher saying something along the lines of "Whoever thought that in this day and age of hammers we'd be so mesmerised by a kid skating down the street flipping his board?"
And then he did tricks no one had seen, dorked around, skated big shit as well, had a good song, skated fast...it was the whole package.
He had beef with Zered back then, I don't know why. I hope they squashed it.
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I'm going to explain to all the younger posters here why this question is dumb. If you started paying attention to videos after both were released, it might seem like they are comparable, but they aren't.
Suciu was a California kid sponsored by a major company who had a budget/opportunity to skate and film all over the country for a part that was released by Thrasher magazine. While the part is amazing, there was no shock to the idea that a California kid, sponsored by Habitat, who had already released parts with them, and was having his part released on thrasher would be good. It made sense, even if it was better than most.
PJ Ladd had a couple clips here and there in 411s and stuff, but was still virtually an unknown at the time. His part was in a shop video released from a random shop in boston most people hadn't heard of, and unless your shop was called FTC, shop videos weren't really a thing at all at that time. It wasn't supposed to be a video part that every skateboarder saw. Despite not having any advantages or expectations before its release, it was an overnight sensation. This random kid, skating random local spots, for a random video somehow released a part that was better than any part released during a time when companies were flying all over the world with some of the biggest budgets ever to make major skate productions. The part had amazing skating, but it wasn't just about the skating, it was about the way PJ exploded with that one low release part
The thing is, by the time Suciu was filming cross continental, with who he was filming with,and for who he was filming the part for, it didn't matter how good of a skater he was, he simply wasn't in the kind of position to explode out of nowhere like that. I know this seems weird because they skate much differently, but if I was going to compare WHL to any part in terms of impact, I'd compare it to Trainwreck in In Bloom or Scott Kane in the bootleg video. Coming out of nowhere, nobody knew who they were, and without any build up, were amongst the best at what they did. Still, PJ's part was more epic. I know it sounds classically "bitter old dude" but you kinda had to be there to understand why the impact around that part.
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^Trainwreck had already had a 411 part when In Bloom came out. At the time, that made you instantly 'well known'.
Other than that, you hit the nail on the head.
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Did he? Somehow I don't remember it. but yeah, a 411 part was as legit or more legit than a team video
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Yeah, always loved his 411 part. We might as well all give it a watch! Edited fast and just an overload of stuff that was really gnarly at the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-r44t8uh1A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-r44t8uh1A#)